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Big fan of it here. I'm just wondering what percentage of freelancers do it or is it particularly hard to find a girl who does? I've had some nights in SE Asia where I've been looking for quite a while until I've found it.
Are most girls OK with it? Freelancers on the street more likely?
What's been your experience?
I couldn't agree at all. How can one suspect guys that don't pay are rare?Actually, Syz, my position and what I am pretty sure Goatscrot was agreeing with here (in fact, I see that he says it outright in his previous post) is not what you stated at all. If you re-examine my posts on the issue as closely as a bargirl's nose, I think you will see that my position is that I suspect guys not paying girls who DID what the customer asked of them, did not bullshit him in the bar and then stiff him in the room or did not suddenly go Jeykll & Hyde on him, bargirls who are essentially "honest" bargirls is rare. If guys stiffing the scammers who make a living saying "yes" to many things in the bar that they fully intend to say "no" to in the room after Lady Drinks and barfines have been paid or girls whose attitudes and interest in participation falls dramatically during that short walk or taxi ride from bar to hotel is becoming less and less rare, then I would be delighted to hear that. That's the way it should be and it would be much better for the honest bargirls, the venues and the customers.
To be more blunt, if guys not paying is becoming less and less rare, I think that speaks volumes about what the modern crop of bargirls considers worthy of payment and they might want to reassess their work habits.
What I do not suspect for one minute is that go-go bars or beer bars where the customer is now being firmly asked for money upfront are doing so because they have suffered a rash of evil cheating customers who refused to pay after they DID get in the room what they asked for or were told they'd get from honest bargirls in the bar. On the contrary, I would suspect such a bar is doing so because they have suffered a rash of scammer bargirls in their employ who pushed their Yes-in-the-bar / No-in-the-room agenda too far, too often, got properly burned for it by a few courageous, right-thinking customers and are now trying to throw a wrong-headed "fix" at it.
I don't merely accept as truthful what the bar or the girls say is the reason for collecting the P4 P money upfront any more than I merely accept as truthful the reason Crazy House is now requiring customers to sign their drink bin on delivery. Of course, they will tell you it is because a rash of evil cheating Crazy House customers tried to run out on their bill or deny they ordered what they clearly ordered. Instead, I strongly suspect the real reason they are doing it is because the Lady Drink hustle at Crazy House got so out of hand among the girls, the "I go dance now" after the Lady Drink was set on the table occurred too often, the unexpected two Lady Drink order instead of one was made unbeknownst to the customer too often and Crazy House had to do something to cut down on what was likely becoming a repeated marathon back-and-forth discussion in a loud go-go bar between the customers and the servers, mamasans, management and maybe even the girls to get it sorted out.
Their job is to try to extract as much money from you as possible Syz. This includes playing to your emotions and trying to convince you that you are one of the "good guys. " It's a game to them. Many punters believe that they are in the know and are immune from being gamed. We are all prey if we choose to be. I would imagine that very few gals get stiffed by punters unless they are not delivering what they agreed upon.They can be very convincing because in a Thai girl's mind it was never their fault. No more than it is ever a Thai taxi driver's fault for not knowing how to get to a certain destination in the city he has been working for 10 years. It was your fault for choosing to go to such a weird place. LOL. A cultural trait really.
They can be very convincing because in a Thai girl's mind it was never their fault. No more than it is ever a Thai taxi driver's fault for not knowing how to get to a certain destination in the city he has been working for 10 years. It was your fault for choosing to go to such a weird place. LOL. A cultural trait really.Ain't it the truth. Accepting responsibility is losing face.
What I do not suspect for one minute is that go-go bars or beer bars where the customer is now being firmly asked for money upfront are doing so because they have suffered a rash of evil cheating customers who refused to pay after they DID get in the room what they asked for or were told they'd get from honest bargirls in the bar. On the contrary, I would suspect such a bar is doing so because they have suffered a rash of scammer bargirls in their employ who pushed their Yes-in-the-bar / No-in-the-room agenda too far, too often, got properly burned for it by a few courageous, right-thinking customers and are now trying to throw a wrong-headed "fix" at it.
I don't merely accept as truthful what the bar or the girls say is the reason for collecting the P4 P money upfront any more than I merely accept as truthful the reason Crazy House is now requiring customers to sign their drink bin on delivery. Of course, they will tell you it is because a rash of evil cheating Crazy House customers tried to run out on their bill or deny they ordered what they clearly ordered. Instead, I strongly suspect the real reason they are doing it is because the Lady Drink hustle at Crazy House got so out of hand among the girls, the "I go dance now" after the Lady Drink was set on the table occurred too often, the unexpected two Lady Drink order instead of one was made unbeknownst to the customer too often and Crazy House had to do something to cut down on what was likely becoming a repeated marathon back-and-forth discussion in a loud go-go bar between the customers and the servers, mamasans, management and maybe even the girls to get it sorted out.In Thailand it is rarely about the customer. There are exceptions, but when it comes down to it consumer protection is not really the order of the day here.
What I do not suspect for one minute is that go-go bars or beer bars where the customer is now being firmly asked for money upfront are doing so because they have suffered a rash of evil cheating customers who refused to pay after they DID get in the room what they asked for or were told they'd get from honest bargirls in the bar. On the contrary, I would suspect such a bar is doing so because they have suffered a rash of scammer bargirls in their employ who pushed their Yes-in-the-bar / No-in-the-room agenda too far, too often, got properly burned for it by a few courageous, right-thinking customers and are now trying to throw a wrong-headed "fix" at it.
He who holds the money holds the power! This just sounds like a classic power grab from Thai management. The unfortunate thing is that in "todays'" Bangkok the "today's" monger will happily comply.
Member #4591
06-25-16, 07:18
I am looking for the opinion of some of you regarding this. If you wanted to spend 10,000 Baht for an encounter with a white skinned model type of provider, where would you source from or who would you choose? Some options I'm thinking of are the following:
1. Model Freelancer from We Chat or other chat app.
2. Outcall escort agency.
3. G Club lady.
4. Freelancer from a high end bar.
5. Sideline girl from website.
6. Coyote from Go go bar.
7. High end massage lady.
Please let me know which option you feel would be the best or if another option is available. P.S. Please don't comment if you are going to refer to being too expensive and so on. I'm looking for a high end model encounter only. This thread is no place for cheap Charlie's so please refrain from commenting if you fall into this category. No offence intended.
Wolvenvacht
06-25-16, 08:15
I am looking for the opinion of some of you regarding this. If you wanted to spend 10,000 Baht for an encounter with a white skinned model type of provider, where would you source from or who would you choose? Some options I'm thinking of are the following:
1. Model Freelancer from We Chat or other chat app.
2. Outcall escort agency.
3. G Club lady.
4. Freelancer from a high end bar.
5. Sideline girl from website.
6. Coyote from Go go bar.
7. High end massage lady.
Please let me know which option you feel would be the best or if another option is available. P.S. Please don't comment if you are going to refer to being too expensive and so on. I'm looking for a high end model encounter only. This thread is no place for cheap Charlie's so please refrain from commenting if you fall into this category. No offence intended.G Club lady. Assuming they let a farang in and she wants to go with you.
Franciscass
06-25-16, 08:26
Excellent analysis and I could not agree more. Sadly so many punters just take what they get from the gals, even if it was far less than promised, and they still pay the agreed upon rate. Whether it is fear or pity it really harms the scene. Honestly, is there any other service you purchase where people would find this acceptable? I really think not. But again, when it involves the penis, thought tends to go out the window. Most punters are very uncomfortable expressing their displeasure to a P4 P gal.Agree on customers not willing to express dissatisfaction with service. That said there are customers who take advantage and girls who do not deliver as promised. Hard to say which is more prevalent or how frequent either happens. Providers not meeting expectations is quite often down to a lack of communication between parties not agreeing in some detail what boxes she is willing to tick. For obvious reasons younger girls are significantly more likely to disappoint both in skill set and attitude making it all the more important to have a conversation with management about what service you expect and whether she is willing to provide it.
Talking to owners and managers over the years it was relatively rare that customers did not pay as agreed but it's true to say this is an increasing phenomenon driven in part by the increasing number of South Asian customers. Is this the reason for the trend to upfront payment or is there an ulterior motive involving the ladies not wanting to work so hard on providing what the customer expects?. I suspect it is more the former.
Upfront payments which were always the norm at soapies, is increasingly the norm at oilies and is starting to creep in at go go's. The effect of this change on service / performance is difficult to quantify. Some will say the lady is more at ease knowing there will be no issues about payment and so delivers a better experience while other contend being paid she cares little about satisfying her customer. I am of the opinion that P4P ladies develop a set routine over a period and that upfront versus pay later has little effect on their performance. More important is her mood on the day, hygiene and the illusive oft cited chemistry alongside the attitude of owner / management. If you are not asked on the way out "how was it" chances are neither really cares.
Member #4591
06-25-16, 10:00
G Club lady. Assuming they let a farang in and she wants to go with you.I have been to many G clubs in Bangkok. There is never an issue getting it but not easy to get past the I only drink with customers and never go outside. 50% say they never go outside, even for 10-20 K. Thanks for your advice, this is my 3rd choice but will move up if more members suggest it.
Actually, Syz, my position and what I am pretty sure Goatscrot was agreeing with here (in fact, I see that he says it outright in his previous post) is not what you stated at all. If you re-examine my posts on the issue as closely as a bargirl's nose, I think you will see that my position is that I suspect guys not paying girls who DID what the customer asked of them, did not bullshit him in the bar and then stiff him in the room or did not suddenly go Jeykll & Hyde on him, bargirls who are essentially "honest" bargirls is rare. If guys stiffing the scammers who make a living saying "yes" to many things in the bar that they fully intend to say "no" to in the room after Lady Drinks and barfines have been paid or girls whose attitudes and interest in participation falls dramatically during that short walk or taxi ride from bar to hotel is becoming less and less rare, then I would be delighted to hear that. That's the way it should be and it would be much better for the honest bargirls, the venues and the customers.
To be more blunt, if guys not paying is becoming less and less rare, I think that speaks volumes about what the modern crop of bargirls considers worthy of payment and they might want to reassess their work habits..I was there several times in April / May and this gogo bar is the worst ripoff bar I have ever visited. The management there directs the women to entice lady drinks from the customers and leave ASAP after gulping down the lady drink. The gogo girls did it time after time w / me and a few times I refused to pay for the LD. On another occasion the waitress picked up my beer to see how much was left. (they do this in aggressive sucker bars BKK).
BTW I don't drink slow, I drink them faster than most others yet the management has the idiot waitresses constantly roaming the bar picking up SMLs. So there is 1/4 of my beer left, she says, you need another beer, I say I'm still drinking that one. A minute later she is hassling the guy next to me to buy a drink and suddenly knocks my beer on my lap (crotch). She says sorry, now do you want another SML? I exploded on her, I was so angry at this point. I then told her to bring me a free one, which she did.
The Crazy House has the hottest gogo dancers, yes they do. These gogo dancers do what they're told to do and that is rip off as many suckers as they can and they do. The CH management does not have a high opinion of it's customers plain and simple. The odds of you getting screwed there are high, the odds of you having a good time fucking a CH dancer are low.
Their job is to try to extract as much money from you as possible Syz. This includes playing to your emotions and trying to convince you that you are one of the "good guys. " It's a game to them. Many punters believe that they are in the know and are immune from being gamed. We are all prey if we choose to be. I would imagine that very few gals get stiffed by punters unless they are not delivering what they agreed upon.Yeh yeh. Imagine. Even famous Tulip superstars reported getting stiffed despite the super level of service provided by them. Some guys just wanted a free fuck and they took it. Was also common at Soapies where thai customers did not pay, especially if they were friends of the boss they thought they could take advantage.
If you can't imagine that happening, good for you.
I don't assume girls always make up stories
unless I can see a good reason for it. When I am already a regular customer there is little purpose to bullshiiting me. Even I undertsand their job can be shit at times doesn't change anything.
Increases my respect for bargirls who have a much greater ability to refuse customers when they don't like the customer. The really stunning girls have it easy. There maybe 3 or 4 possible customers. The girl can make a beeline for her regular customer that she likes OK and not risk the more arrogant aggresive or undesirable customer for whatever reason.
Sure I ynderstand a guy's desire not to pay till he gets the agreed service. I have sent girls packing without fucking them on a rare occasion and for sure I did not pay too. However I am not pre negotiating all the services down to the last detail.
My biggest source of disappoint is always the dick scared
girls which is too hard to predict in advance. 2nd most frequent problem is lack of kissing or weak kissing. However I don't believe i have the right to withhold payment simply because of crap kissing.
3rd problem, less common, is just that girl is a starfish type. Can't negotiate away from this issue.
Sometimes you just feel that the girl and yourself don't go together right. This could be related to dick scared. Some girls make it so easy to fuck them and some do not. Can I decide not to pay because girl wasn't the easiest to fuck? I think not.
Many girls are not negotiating an amount before I take them. Even the most stunning girl from Crazy House when I first met her. I am sure a friend told her I am OK. It is assumed I pay fairly being a regular. I don't have to pay in advance as am trusted.
Those who are not trusted may have to pay in advance. So I do have the power to pay less to a bargirl if she was really crap. I exercise the power carefully. I do pay different anounts for different girls and different sessions depending on her levels and how hard she had to work and her overall quality and taking into account if I want to repeat or not.
Its only Soapies and some Oilies where I have had to pay in advance, since years ago. I got used to it. I am not paying in advance in bars. So far I have not missed out due to this?
It was Thais failing to pay in Soapies that first started the change to pay in advance, I am sure.
In my first soapy, I had no clue how much should pay the girl for sex and could not speak the language with her at all. Had only small cash with me at the time and no credit cards with me as arrived there unexpectly during an exercise walk. That was 32 years ago. I did not even know in advance what the service was and that she would be naked. Got a full expert Thai massage after the bath. It was torture. Much better idea to make sex.
Member #4591
06-25-16, 13:47
Let's make this simple and easy to underside. The golden rule to mongering is never ever ever pay in advance unless you want to get screwed out of the time you negotiated. You may have a good session, but she will bolt 100% after you finish. Don't expect LT, even if it was promised. She will come up with an excuse she has to go. Room mate forgot her key, sick mother, emergency at home, or even a fake period. The only place I agree to pay upfront is Sephan Kwai since it's so reasonable, there is no LT service, plus it's mandatory. However, the ladies know if they mess around I will go right back to the bar and get their share of the money back. It gets deducted from their salary. Only one time this happened to me and this was the result. I'm also a good tipper for good service so the ladies know they will lose. In all farang establishments there is no need to pay upfront and in all my years of mongering in China, Thailand, and the Philipines, I have never been asked to pay upfront other than a bar fine, in a farang bar. By the way, Sephan Kwai has no bar fine and there are some real stunners. Freelancers who ask for money upfront will not only bolt early on a LT session, but may also bolt even before you finish with the same excuses.
Franciscass
06-25-16, 17:52
I don't really understand the sometimes heated conversation about paying upfront. There are reasons why from the girl's perspective it's considered necessary and also good reasons why from the customer's perspective it has inherent problems. . It is was it is but there is choice. If one doesn't want to pay in advance there are lots of situations where you don't have to. Stick to those and after being reasonable if you don't get what you were promised don't pay. End of story. No need to cast all girls as being scam artists which after over 15 years experience here I can tell you they are not.
I don't really understand the sometimes heated conversation about paying upfront. There are reasons why from the girl's perspective it's considered necessary and also good reasons why from the customer's perspective it has inherent problems. . It is was it is but there is choice. If one doesn't want to pay in advance there are lots of situations where you don't have to. Stick to those and after being reasonable if you don't get what you were promised don't pay. End of story. No need to cast all girls as being scam artists which after over 15 years experience here I can tell you they are not.I agree with this. There is no standard rule. Rather there are situations where it is normal to pay at the end, in which case if a girl asks for the money at the beginning of the session there may be trouble. But there are other situations where it is normal, whether we would prefer it or not, to pay at the beginning. One of my best sessions was with a girl at a Patpong bar where as a matter of course they required payment in advance. Sure, I could have been burned, but I wasn't. The best advice is where it is normal to pay at the end, pay at the end. Where for whatever reason it is required that one pay in advance, consider paying in advance if all the other signals from the girl are positive. Of course, in the latter situation there are no guarantees, but there really never are.
Jude Bright
06-25-16, 18:13
Let's make this simple and easy to underside. The golden rule to mongering is never ever ever pay in advance unless you want to get screwed out of the time you negotiated. You may have a good session, but she will bolt 100% after you finish. Don't expect LT, even if it was promised. She will come up with an excuse she has to go. Room mate forgot her key, sick mother, emergency at home, or even a fake period. The only place I agree to pay upfront is Sephan Kwai since it's so reasonable, there is no LT service, plus it's mandatory. However, the ladies know if they mess around I will go right back to the bar and get their share of the money back. It gets deducted from their salary. Only one time this happened to me and this was the result. I'm also a good tipper for good service so the ladies know they will lose. In all farang establishments there is no need to pay upfront and in all my years of mongering in China, Thailand, and the Philipines, I have never been asked to pay upfront other than a bar fine, in a farang bar. By the way, Sephan Kwai has no bar fine and there are some real stunners. Freelancers who ask for money upfront will not only bolt early on a LT session, but may also bolt even before you finish with the same excuses.This is a very good advice especially for newbies, not necessary for those who is new to monger, but also for those experienced guy who just arrived a new country, town or even a new spot. Each place may have its own rules, habits, routines. It is nice to know the routine when you arrive at a new place.
Thank you so much for the info.
Jb.
1. Model Freelancer from We Chat or other chat app.
2. Outcall escort agency.
3. G Club lady.
4. Freelancer from a high end bar.
5. Sideline girl from website.
6. Coyote from Go go bar.
7. High end massage lady.
Please let me know which option you feel would be the best or if another option is available. P.S. Please don't comment if you are going to refer to being too expensive and so on. I'm looking for a high end model encounter only. This thread is no place for cheap Charlie's so please refrain from commenting if you fall into this category. No offence intended.Here's an option you might try: The Four Seasons (now the Anantara Siam), or some other high end hotel that is off the beaten path, and find someone in their lounge areas. I was walking past Ratchadamri BTS one night a couple of years ago and saw the most stunning woman ever. Very pale skin, long straight, perfect hair, slim legs, early twenties, super model-like face, dressed in a one-piece blue dress (very classy, not slutty at all). She was a few feet ahead of me, and I enjoyed those few minutes of the walk very much. She walked into the Four Seasons, and I assumed she was a high end escort. But I walked in after her, just curious to see what the hotel was like, and she walked into a bar / lounge area and sat down and ordered a drink. There were 4-5 other women like her (not quite as stunning, mind you), and a couple of elderly, obviously very well-off gentlemen. It seems the 1% have their own little playgrounds.
But if it were really me, I would take my 10,000 baht and go to Mixx or some place like that and just spend time looking very carefully at exactly the woman I want. Especially at Mixx, there are some real stunners, and you can see them quite well in there. I would scope them out, make sure they are not with a guy already, and once I made my decision, I would make a move for them, and knowing that I had 10,000 baht in my pocket, I would be certain that I would land whoever I want.
And I personally would avoid the coyote girl from a gogo bar.
Robert Long
06-25-16, 20:50
This is a very good advice especially for newbies, not necessary for those who is new to monger, but also for those experienced guy who just arrived a new country, town or even a new spot. Each place may have its own rules, habits, routines. It is nice to know the routine when you arrive at a new place.
Thank you so much for the info.
Jb.You always pay upfront at Soapies. But I have been short changed at 2. One was in Patpong and she was in such a hurry that she used cold water and suggest that the heater device was in need of repair. She just kept talking and going thru the motions. The whole event was not more than 1/2 hour. When she was finished she asked for a tip and escorted me to a stair and door that led to the street and not the lobby. Wham bam thank you farang, Patpong has always and will continue to be the biggest ripoff in BKK.
RL.
You always pay upfront at Soapies. But I have been short changed at 2. One was in Patpong and she was in such a hurry that she used cold water and suggest that the heater device was in need of repair. She just kept talking and going thru the motions. The whole event was not more than 1/2 hour. When she was finished she asked for a tip and escorted me to a stair and door that led to the street and not the lobby. Wham bam thank you farang, Patpong has always and will continue to be the biggest ripoff in BKK.
Sheesh, sorry to hear about that. Patpong sucks. The very first time I came to LOS, back in the early 1990's, I fell for the old upstairs-drink scam at a Patpong Ffffucking show place. The fucking show was ok, but then the drinks tab came to 2300 baht. It was me and two of my friends, and we all had soft drinks that night. It got a little rough, actually, and the touts forcibly frisked us for all our money. Luckily, as things were about to get dicey, I recognized the issue, and somehow managed to move all my cash (the entirety of my 5000 baht mongering budget, actually) into my sock. We ended up paying 300 baht (more than we should have), but we also got out with most of our money. Since then, I avoid Patpong like the plague. And so I am not surprised one bit by this story.
Your larger point is well taken though. At massage places and soapies, you do pay ahead of time and take a little bit of a risk. But you have a place to go if the service is that bad. You can always go back to the front desk and complain. Not sure anything would happen, but you do have recourse. I think the real concern is with FL girls, as well as gogo bars. To go back to a gogo bar when a girl does not perform is a pain in the ass, and unlikely to happen that very night, so it makes pre-paying particularly bad.
Traveler1234
06-26-16, 00:30
I am looking for the opinion of some of you regarding this. If you wanted to spend 10,000 Baht for an encounter with a white skinned model type of provider, where would you source from or who would you choose? Some options I'm thinking of are the following:
Couple of options:
Side-liners at the bigger Soapies -- many are models and have the magazine spread to prove it. I had one at Long Beach years back and she was 9/10, fair skinned, even GFE for the 90 minutes, 1 shot only, making money to build her dream house in Chiang Mai. Cost was B6 K, sure same type much higher these days.
Backpage is another -- once you make contact, ask for real not just stock photos. Personally I rather view in person and select, YMMV.
Third is local friend who has contact with private university type girls...my local GM referred me to one, again some years back. $6K also, 8/10, spoken english and very young....
Blanquiceleste
06-26-16, 03:52
I am looking for the opinion of some of you regarding this. If you wanted to spend 10,000 Baht for an encounter with a white skinned model type of provider, where would you source from or who would you choose? Some options I'm thinking of are the following:
1. Model Freelancer from We Chat or other chat app.
2. Outcall escort agency.
3. G Club lady.
4. Freelancer from a high end bar.
5. Sideline girl from website.
6. Coyote from Go go bar.
7. High end massage lady.
Please let me know which option you feel would be the best or if another option is available. P.S. Please don't comment if you are going to refer to being too expensive and so on. I'm looking for a high end model encounter only. This thread is no place for cheap Charlie's so please refrain from commenting if you fall into this category. No offence intended.A refreshing discussion amidst all the conspiracy theories and scam artists and customers who stiff working girls and managers begging for digits.
Personally I would pick #4. Simply because I like the hunt. I also agree with Kumbu about the lounge bars inside top end hotels.
And like Kumbu, I would never pick a coyote from a GoGo bar.
Member #4591
06-26-16, 04:30
A little more background. I have a regular bar I attend in Sephan Kwai. It's one of the smaller ones, but has some real stunners. One day I spotted this real hottie. White skin, big knockers, long legs, and long black hair. Right out of the Thailand auto show it seems. In my mind, I must have her. I was able to chit chat with her and the Moma for a short time and she does not usually go outside with Thai customers. Anyways, I'm planning on trying to get her for a night, I hope my negotiating skills are up to par. I willing to go up to 15 K baht. Cheap Charlie's please no comments about how many ladies you could do with that. On the other hand, if my mission fails, I'm looking for a back up plan. I'm leaning towards the G clubs like the Pimp and next would be a high end bar. Let's see how I do. Any other helpful advice from people who have done this before would be helpful.
Member #4591
06-26-16, 06:20
Couple of options:
Side-liners at the bigger Soapies -- many are models and have the magazine spread to prove it. I had one at Long Beach years back and she was 9/10, fair skinned, even GFE for the 90 minutes, 1 shot only, making money to build her dream house in Chiang Mai. Cost was B6 K, sure same type much higher these days.
Backpage is another -- once you make contact, ask for real not just stock photos. Personally I rather view in person and select, YMMV.
Third is local friend who has contact with private university type girls...my local GM referred me to one, again some years back. $6K also, 8/10, spoken english and very young....University girls would be a great option. There are many on Bee talk but if you solicite the wrong one, she will report you and the account gets banned. There seem to be some real model like stunners cruising We chat labelling themselves as call girls. Some are very hot but I'm scared they are not real ladies.
Member #4591
06-26-16, 06:23
You always pay upfront at Soapies. But I have been short changed at 2. One was in Patpong and she was in such a hurry that she used cold water and suggest that the heater device was in need of repair. She just kept talking and going thru the motions. The whole event was not more than 1/2 hour. When she was finished she asked for a tip and escorted me to a stair and door that led to the street and not the lobby. Wham bam thank you farang, Patpong has always and will continue to be the biggest ripoff in BKK.
RL.I'm not referring to soapies when not paying upfront. It was your fault, you let her take advantage of you and kick you out the back. Next time insist on going down to complain and change the lady.
DeeDeeRamone
06-26-16, 06:40
So just back from 6 days in BKK, had a bit of time to play. I'm fairly new to this game so its all still learning ATM.
Mrs BJ, Soi 22 - Pinkie, excellent service, pretty hot, looks a lot better than website pics. When I walked in the lineup was about 5 girls, nothing grabbed me, then pinkie walked in arriving for work. Straight up in said her, she got changed and took me upstairs. Nice rooms, she was fun.
Soms Haven. Had to try a BJ bar and this place was near me. Heaps of girls outside, maybe 8-10. I just walked in for a beer and then one of them chose me but she was pretty decent so I accepted. Fun time.
Mitu massage. Soi 33. Excellent facilities, very good service. I'd recommend this place, kind of in between an oily and a soapy experience.
Thonglor 2 - excellent massage. Good service from girl but I was just off the flight, a bit tired and didn't really clarify costs for extras etc. 2 pops (1 FS then 1 BJ) and she wanted another 1500 for the second also, after some argie bargie we finally settled on 2500 all up but it soured the experience a little. Still, ID go back.
Tinder. FL from tinder, came to hotel. Was very hot but pretty standard service. 2000ST.
BKK gold escorts. Was tired and hungover and decided to try escort to room. Tried Bell from Bangkok Golden escorts. She arrived 30 minutes late, the service was good but I was a bit tired and not really into it. Amazing BJ though, probably the best I've ever had in my life! A-level on second round also but I was spent and she finally finished me again with that amazing BJ. At 5000 was expensive for BKK short time but I didn't want to leave hotel and I would definitely pay $190 AU again for a pretty girl to come to my hotel for two of those BJ's again!
Elle from Rainbow at Nana. Lovely girl, good looking, good English, really sweet. Ended up catching up with her 3 times, real GFE. 2000ST, 3000 LT.
The last night I got really drunk on whiskey and picked up 2 girls ST from Baccara. Was way too drunk to even remember though I do recall it being fun. They eventually woke me up at 3 am cause I passed out snoring. I couldn't find my wallet, I thought ID left it at bar but one of them kindly showed me where I'd stashed it when I got back to room. Bless these girls. Paid both 2500, can't even remember what the barfine was.
All in all a fun 6 days!
Robert Long
06-26-16, 07:06
I'm not referring to soapies when not paying upfront. It was your fault, you let her take advantage of you and kick you out the back. Next time insist on going down to complain and change the lady.Yup! You pay to learn in this world. Lesson learned.
RL.
BackpackBrian
06-26-16, 07:19
I'm going to Thailand this summer and just wanted to know if anyone has been to La Belle or Utopia? They seem like upscale brothels in Bangkok and cost a lot more then the girls in the gogo / strip bars in the red light districts.
Can anyone tell me about them and what the difference is between what you get at these two places versus what you get from the girls in the gogo bars? And the price difference? And the girls much better? Should I check them out?
BackpackBrian
06-26-16, 07:34
Here's an option you might try: The Four Seasons (now the Anantara Siam), or some other high end hotel that is off the beaten path, and find someone in their lounge areas. I was walking past Ratchadamri BTS one night a couple of years ago and saw the most stunning woman ever. Very pale skin, long straight, perfect hair, slim legs, early twenties, super model-like face, dressed in a one-piece blue dress (very classy, not slutty at all). She was a few feet ahead of me, and I enjoyed those few minutes of the walk very much. She walked into the Four Seasons, and I assumed she was a high end escort. But I walked in after her, just curious to see what the hotel was like, and she walked into a bar / lounge area and sat down and ordered a drink. There were 4-5 other women like her (not quite as stunning, mind you), and a couple of elderly, obviously very well-off gentlemen. It seems the 1% have their own little playgrounds.
But if it were really me, I would take my 10,000 baht and go to Mixx or some place like that and just spend time looking very carefully at exactly the woman I want. Especially at Mixx, there are some real stunners, and you can see them quite well in there. I would scope them out, make sure they are not with a guy already, and once I made my decision, I would make a move for them, and knowing that I had 10,000 baht in my pocket, I would be certain that I would land whoever I want.
And I personally would avoid the coyote girl from a gogo bar.I just looked at images of Club Mixx in Bangkok on Google Images and it doesn't look like any working girls. They all look regular. Is this a good pick up spot for WG's?
Franciscass
06-26-16, 08:00
Some unsolicited advice when it's not working after paying upfront.
As soon as it starts to go pear shaped end the session immediately get dressed go to the desk (talking about soapies and oilies) and in a conciliatory tone ask for either a refund or a change of girl. Mostly they will accommodate you with a change of girl as the house still gets their end. If neither is forthcoming whether you intend to or not threaten dialing 1155 (tourist police) sounds silly I know but it can work, and generally increase the pitch of your disappointment. If it's still deadlocked leave and chalk it up to experience. Also quite often when the girl realizes you are serious about going to complain she will change her tune but the session is unlikely to be enjoyable afterwards. The procedure with a go go girl obviously requires going back to the bar. Go immediately if it's still open or next day if its closed. You are less likely to be compensated from a go go but no harm trying. With FL'S if she has left her ID card at reception as often they are required to call downstairs and tell them not to return it to her until the issue is resolved. If she hasn't left her ID card I guess it depends on your value system as to what happens next.
It's very difficult to generalize on whether or not to end a session prematurely. Just because she does not live up to your expectations but is still delivering an OK albeit lackluster performance and hasn't reneged on agreed services then I recommend simply making the best of it and post your visit on ISG.
Finally and most important do your research before venturing out.
I am looking for the opinion of some of you regarding this. If you wanted to spend 10,000 Baht for an encounter with a white skinned model type of provider, where would you source from or who would you choose? Some options I'm thinking of are the following:
1. Model Freelancer from We Chat or other chat app.
2. Outcall escort agency.
3. G Club lady.
4. Freelancer from a high end bar.
5. Sideline girl from website.
6. Coyote from Go go bar.
7. High end massage lady.
Please let me know which option you feel would be the best or if another option is available. P.S. Please don't comment if you are going to refer to being too expensive and so on. I'm looking for a high end model encounter only. This thread is no place for cheap Charlie's so please refrain from commenting if you fall into this category. No offence intended.Number one for me. You just need to insist on real photos before the meet and not your hotel as there are too many fakes and switcharoos. But I have had three real beauties. They ask 5-6 k but will accept 3 k. The ones who would not accept less than 4 K are the Japanese / Korean ladies. Have not met one yet as the negotiation breaks down on price. My current lady is a uni student and while she may not have a rack, everything else is perfect. She was an accidental find and I thought someone using fake pics. You got to love the nearby option, sometimes works very well.
A little more background. I have a regular bar I attend in Sephan Kwai. It's one of the smaller ones, but has some real stunners. One day I spotted this real hottie. White skin, big knockers, long legs, and long black hair. Right out of the Thailand auto show it seems. In my mind, I must have her. I was able to chit chat with her and the Moma for a short time and she does not usually go outside with Thai customers. Anyways, I'm planning on trying to get her for a night, I hope my negotiating skills are up to par. I willing to go up to 15 K baht. Cheap Charlie's please no comments about how many ladies you could do with that. On the other hand, if my mission fails, I'm looking for a back up plan. I'm leaning towards the G clubs like the Pimp and next would be a high end bar. Let's see how I do. Any other helpful advice from people who have done this before would be helpful.It's possible to score on high end bar's or how you call it, like the Pimp and so on. However most of those girls are just better looking Esaan girls. I know as example a girl which works sometimes in an Nana GoGo, but most times she works in Sherbet at Ekkamai.
Scoring at such Gentlemen Club's works different. Direct approach fails usually. If you show up several times and spent your time with the same girl or group, means shares the bottles, she mind be tempted to give you a ride or two, just to keep you as customer. Business is getting a bit rough, girls have to take care customers to be able to keep their job's. In my opinion its more easy for us to score as before 10-15 years. I did score recently just after a bottle or two, when several years ago I had to spend at least 5 and more bottles to get just near to my goal.
I do love to score on better club's. Narz as example or Creekclub. Of course its not everybody taste, the electric dance music. But those places tend to go wild, as more as the half peoples are on the pill's. Approaching their your target works again different. Socialize and party wild with them, just be sanook. A bottle of Jack helps as well. They are relatively cheap there, cheaper as in the "would like to be so high class" clubs Levels as example, which is full with hookers. As they are on the pill, be patient, give it time. They get horny themselves and need a roommate. Sometimes with a group of two or even three, they willing to share haha. Have your Viagra handy then LOL.
By the way, those said club's have of course the usual Esaan girls as everywhere. But many are pretty well off Bangkokians, mid to high class. Be sure to find at least a huge bunch of eye candy.
Went there last week. I picked the girl with the most innocent look and I could not understand her name and I asked if it was like forget, and she said yes. Body was ok, a little tummy, but she said she was 20 and I completely believe. Still studying so this goes to tuition. Really sweet personality and a trooper. Kept sucking for 15 min and I was enjoying the sight. Given how hard she tried, I decided to go for full service. Multiple positions ok as well as DATY. She either doesn't have much sex or is new, as her kitty was tight. I left completely drained and satisfied. Again, not a spinner or porn star type, but if you want a very cute innocent looking young girl who is happy to please, try her.
On another occasion the waitress picked up my beer to see how much was left. (they do this in aggressive sucker bars BKK).Yes, they do it everywhere, at least in the western oriented GoGo's. Live with it and calm down.
A minute later she is hassling the guy next to me to buy a drink and suddenly knocks my beer on my lap (crotch). She says sorry, now do you want another SML? I exploded on her, I was so angry at this point. I then told her to bring me a free one, which she did.She did bring you a free one, what more you want? Low educated Thai peoples have a problem to apologize direct to your face. They do it different way. Live with it and.
Be glad it wasn't a Tequila, I had those accidents several times. Peoples, including working staff, tend to be drunk there for a clear reason. Drunk people doesn't have their motion under full control anymore.
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Mumbai Guy
06-26-16, 11:35
I am looking for the opinion of some of you regarding this. If you wanted to spend 10,000 Baht for an encounter with a white skinned model type of provider, where would you source from or who would you choose? Some options I'm thinking of are the following:
1. Model Freelancer from We Chat or other chat app.
2. Outcall escort agency.
3. G Club lady.
4. Freelancer from a high end bar.
5. Sideline girl from website.
6. Coyote from Go go bar.
7. High end massage lady.
Please let me know which option you feel would be the best or if another option is available. P.S. Please don't comment if you are going to refer to being too expensive and so on. I'm looking for a high end model encounter only. This thread is no place for cheap Charlie's so please refrain from commenting if you fall into this category. No offence intended.Number 3 would be the first choice for me, closely followed by Number4. In both cases you can check the girl out before committing yourself and decide whether the chemistry is right. As the stakes are high, the disappointment will also be high in case of a misfire. In all other cases as you have no or little chance of checking out a girl properly as you don't have enough P2 P interaction.
4. Freelancer from a high end bar.
Are you referring to high class ladies hanging around Hotel bar, but not actually working there? I don't understand why the word freelancers appears so much in your list.
I find the list a bit mystifying myself. There seems to be the assumption that you will get something very special indeed by spending a large sum of money.
The money and quality of the lady may not be closely related. Plenty of Escort sites are offering ladies that are not specially attractive to me. The looks are fake or too plastic.
I think you should try a few alternatives and see where you can find the most appealing ladies, whatever the price is.
Just get it clear if you want looks or PSE performance. Maybe can get both from some Escorts, I don't know. I always want to see the lady before choosing. That is my problem, with escorts. She maybe too fat or too skinny. May have fake tits. Etc.
Oily PSE shops are great for PSE performance and ordinary looks. Other places maybe good for looks, but not getting the PSE.
I am happy to find a stunning girl with a good GFE but not PSE. Mostly I find them in bars, because I get time to check my interaction with a girl is good before buying. I see them relatively undressed or completely undressed. I know where to find very pretty faces, great bodies, and great tits, GFE performance, maybe not all these things on the same girl. LOL Variety.
When I see some girl, really stunning, I will be prepared to pay more, if necessary, but hard to find them available. Even the Escort web sites are not helping much. Maybe I will try some G Clubs, if I have money and time to burn. I know where to find girls that don't fuck too. Not very useful. I recently tried the Thermae, but it was disappointing, lacking real stunners, and most girls dressed too conservatively, hiding a body that may or may not be good.
I am more than happy to try a really stunning Coyote girl, of which there are very few, if she is available for fucking. The problem is finding very most stunning ones to be available. They are usually booked up by their regular customers. A great deal of patience may be needed. I know one such girl I would like to try. I don't know yet if she is willing to have sex after paying the barfine. I do see customers arrive late and barfine her after the barfine price has dropped. Do they get sex? I don't know. Perhaps officially no, but in reality maybe? Depends on how much girl likes the customer. She told one regular customer (uglier than me LOL), that she does not fuck, but I am sceptical if this is always true.
As a monger, just entertaining a girl at a G club, with no sex possibility, does not interest me that much. I spend money, I want the sex too.
Went there last week. I picked the girl with the most innocent look and I could not understand her name and I asked if it was like forget, and she said yes. Body was ok, a little tummy, but she said she was 20 and I completely believe. Still studying so this goes to tuition. Really sweet personality and a trooper. Kept sucking for 15 min and I was enjoying the sight. Given how hard she tried, I decided to go for full service. Multiple positions ok as well as DATY. She either doesn't have much sex or is new, as her kitty was tight. I left completely drained and satisfied. Again, not a spinner or porn star type, but if you want a very cute innocent looking young girl who is happy to please, try her.Does she have a letter (identifier) on the Dr. BJ Website? I could very easily do letter Z (exactly my spec ) or letter L. They are very good looking to my taste. I saw letter L plenty of times in the past while taking a different girl. I suppose if I go there now, gossip news will spread very fast indeed to my old regular girl.
Member #4591
06-26-16, 16:50
Are you referring to high class ladies hanging around Hotel bar, but not actually working there? I don't understand why the word freelancers appears so much in your list.
I find the list a bit mystifying myself. There seems to be the assumption that you will get something very special indeed by spending a large sum of money.
The money and quality of the lady may not be closely related. Plenty of Escort sites are offering ladies that are not specially attractive to me. The looks are fake or too plastic.
I think you should try a few alternatives and see where you can find the most appealing ladies, whatever the price is.
Just get it clear if you want looks or PSE performance. Maybe can get both from some Escorts, I don't know. I always want to see the lady before choosing. That is my problem, with escorts. She maybe too fat or too skinny. May have fake tits. Etc.
Oily PSE shops are great for PSE performance and ordinary looks. Other places maybe good for looks, but not getting the PSE.
I am happy to find a stunning girl with a good GFE but not PSE. Mostly I find them in bars, because I get time to check my interaction with a girl is good before buying. I see them relatively undressed or completely undressed. I know where to find very pretty faces, great bodies, and great tits, GFE performance, maybe not all these things on the same girl. LOL Variety.
When I see some girl, really stunning, I will be prepared to pay more, if necessary, but hard to find them available. Even the Escort web sites are not helping much. Maybe I will try some G Clubs, if I have money and time to burn. I know where to find girls that don't fuck too. Not very useful. I recently tried the Thermae, but it was disappointing, lacking real stunners, and most girls dressed too conservatively, hiding a body that may or may not be good.
I am more than happy to try a really stunning Coyote girl, of which there are very few, if she is available for fucking. The problem is finding very most stunning ones to be available. They are usually booked up by their regular customers. A great deal of patience may be needed. I know one such girl I would like to try. I don't know yet if she is willing to have sex after paying the barfine. I do see customers arrive late and barfine her after the barfine price has dropped. Do they get sex? I don't know. Perhaps officially no, but in reality maybe? Depends on how much girl likes the customer. She told one regular customer (uglier than me LOL), that she does not fuck, but I am sceptical if this is always true.
As a monger, just entertaining a girl at a G club, with no sex possibility, does not interest me that much. I spend money, I want the sex too.This is just a long winded way of saying you should not spend 10 K Baht on one girl. Thanks for coming out Syzgies!
MichaelSamuel
06-26-16, 21:06
I am looking for the opinion of some of you regarding this. If you wanted to spend 10,000 Baht for an encounter with a white skinned model type of provider, where would you source from or who would you choose? Some options I'm thinking of are the following:
1. Model Freelancer from We Chat or other chat app.
2. Outcall escort agency.
3. G Club lady.
4. Freelancer from a high end bar.
5. Sideline girl from website.
6. Coyote from Go go bar.
7. High end massage lady.
Please let me know which option you feel would be the best or if another option is available. P.S. Please don't comment if you are going to refer to being too expensive and so on. I'm looking for a high end model encounter only. This thread is no place for cheap Charlie's so please refrain from commenting if you fall into this category. No offence intended.I would go #7. Place like lorde. And if you have a good time and hit it off may be able to arrange something outside of the place. Either on or off the books, but still at a discount to the 75 min rate. I did this last trip with a beauty from northern thailand that I met on the trip before.
Crocodilexp
06-27-16, 02:01
Big fan of it here. I'm just wondering what percentage of freelancers do it or is it particularly hard to find a girl who does? I've had some nights in SE Asia where I've been looking for quite a while until I've found it.
Are most girls OK with it? Freelancers on the street more likely?
What's been your experience?For best results, try one of the well-known PSE oily massage places (Tulip, Sky, Snow White, Cherry, Bongkot). Ask for anal (A+) in advance when seeing the lineup.
Female freelancers on the street are hit an miss for A+, I'd say most are not eager to do it, but some might be needy enough to agree. Moreover, freelancers on Sukhumwit are not the most attractive bunch these days. BTW, if you're not averse to ladyboys, that's an obvious group where A+ is virtually guaranteed, and they tend to look better too (not my kind of thing, though).
Undercoverh
06-27-16, 05:35
Here are a few helpful tips for newbies when visiting the Go-Go bars in Bangkok. First, do not act like a newbie. When you walk into a go-go bar and sit down the Go-Go girls are starting to size you up. How you dress, how you look, how old or young you are.
When a girl comes over and sits down with you and start ask you the standard questions, which are how long you stay in Bangkok, where are you from, where's your hotel, have you been to Bangkok before, what job you do. These questions are all standard bar girl questions designed to determine if you are a newbie and how horny you are. If you tell her that this is your first time to Bangkok and you're a tourist here she knows you do not know your way around the Go-Go bars. Therefore she will always give you high prices.
When I was in one of the bars last night at Nana, a gentleman fresh off the plane from America was sitting next to me. He was wide-eyed and bushy-tailed seeing all the beautiful bar girls dancing topless on the stage. One of the girls came over and sat with him and he was happy to have a beautiful young Thai girl topless sitting next to him. She started in with the standard questions and he answered each question incorrectly.
But Withi 15 minutes, he bar finder paying 2,500 for a girl that would normally go for 1,500 baht to 2000. Other words she took him to the cleaners.
You have to understand that it's just business in Bangkok with selling sex. They will get as much from you as they can. Don't take it personally, but don't overpay. The questions you should be asking her is how old she is, has she ever had a baby, how long she's been in Bangkok. This will give you a chance to size her up. When she ask you the standard questions do not tell the truth. Tell her that you work in Bangkok and that you come to that particular bar many times. She then understands that you know the pricing there and that you're a regular there and that you work in Bangkok and you will notoverpay.
When you negotiate with bar girls always do so in a nice pleasant manner. If the girls for example says here price is 2,500. You can politely reply by saying, last time I was here I found a nice girl and I paid 1500 for short time. She might be surprised at this and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't I use his same line and more than often I've gotten a price in the range of 1500,1700 or 2000 baht. The average is around 1800.
Roger Sideways
06-27-16, 06:21
Here are a few helpful tips for newbies when visiting the Go-Go bars in Bangkok. First, do not act like a newbie. When you walk into a go-go bar and sit down the Go-Go girls are starting to size you up. How you dress, how you look, how old or young you are.
When a girl comes over and sits down with you and start ask you the standard questions, which are how long you stay in Bangkok, where are you from, where's your hotel, have you been to Bangkok before, what job you do. These questions are all standard bar girl questions designed to determine if you are a newbie and how horny you are. If you tell her that this is your first time to Bangkok and you're a tourist here she knows you do not know your way around the Go-Go bars. Therefore she will always give you high prices.
When I was in one of the bars last night at Nana, a gentleman fresh off the plane from America was sitting next to me. He was wide-eyed and bushy-tailed seeing all the beautiful bar girls dancing topless on the stage. One of the girls came over and sat with him and he was happy to have a beautiful young Thai girl topless sitting next to him. She started in with the standard questions and he answered each question incorrectly.
But Withi 15 minutes, he bar finder paying 2,500 for a girl that would normally go for 1,500 baht to 2000. Other words she took him to the cleaners.
You have to understand that it's just business in Bangkok with selling sex. They will get as much from you as they can. Don't take it personally, but don't overpay. The questions you should be asking her is how old she is, has she ever had a baby, how long she's been in Bangkok. This will give you a chance to size her up. When she ask you the standard questions do not tell the truth. Tell her that you work in Bangkok and that you come to that particular bar many times. She then understands that you know the pricing there and that you're a regular there and that you work in Bangkok and you will notoverpay.
When you negotiate with bar girls always do so in a nice pleasant manner. If the girls for example says here price is 2,500. You can politely reply by saying, last time I was here I found a nice girl and I paid 1500 for short time. She might be surprised at this and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't I use his same line and more than often I've gotten a price in the range of 1500,1700 or 2000 baht. The average is around 1800.Excellent advice. I would just add RTFF!
Thanks to this forum I managed to skip the newbie phase in my visits to Indonesia, Philippines and Bangkok.
It's not rocket science. You just need to be confident, and make sure you know what you are doing and what is the going rate.
I just looked at images of Club Mixx in Bangkok on Google Images and it doesn't look like any working girls. They all look regular. Is this a good pick up spot for WG's?Mixx is 70% WG and 30% normal girls. Its the best pick up club in BKK as of now with the most high end price tags. Women love to go to Mixx for work but on weekends it is 300 bht to go inside for women also.
Blanquiceleste
06-27-16, 15:16
I just looked at images of Club Mixx in Bangkok on Google Images and it doesn't look like any working girls. They all look regular. Is this a good pick up spot for WG's?No WG in a place like Mixx is going to sport a label on her forehead that says "Pick Me Up". That happens on the street or in some discos like Climax.
There was a spirited discussion sometime back on the Philippine thread about working girls and their work status. Professional, semi-professional, full-time, part-time, regular girl out to earn some quick money to support some pressing needs, girls looking to have a good time with no cash, but only accepts expensive gifts like jewelry, perfumes, holidays and what not, etc.
IMHO if a girl you just met an hour ago, sleeps with you and you pay (for) her as much as a dime, she is a working girl.
Undercoverh
06-27-16, 15:45
No WG in a place like Mixx is going to sport a label on her forehead that says "Pick Me Up". That happens on the street or in some discos like Climax.
There was a spirited discussion sometime back on the Philippine thread about working girls and their work status. Professional, semi-professional, full-time, part-time, regular girl out to earn some quick money to support some pressing needs, girls looking to have a good time with no cash, but only accepts expensive gifts like jewelry, perfumes, holidays and what not, etc.
IMHO if a girl you just met an hour ago, sleeps with you and you pay (for) her as much as a dime, she is a working girl.I would agree with your comments. Addition, I would like to add that of the group, the most expensive girl in the long run is the one you end up buying gifts for. She will pretend that you and she are dating, and that you're going out for a nice evening. When you're out during the evening she will occasionally ask for little things, then as time goes by she will ask him more things.
For example, when you go to the grocery store she will buy lots of different groceries for her mother or sister. And you think to yourself why are you only buying this when we are together and then when you get it to the checkout stand she look at you as if you were supposed to pay. I can assure you that this type of girl is the most expensive working girl of them all.
That's why most experts that I know that stay in Bangkok prefer to simply pay as they go. In other words, pay for sex and then she's gone.
The Thai girls are a unique breed. They, maybe because of their religion, do not attach any great stigma to having sex for money. In fact, in Thailand, this is a part of the culture that goes back hundreds of years.
I have met and have sex with many freelance working girls that during the week they were working in a bank, office girls, working in retail shops in the mall, and other jobs that would be considered normal jobs for girls. They have no qualms about working a regular job during the week and then on the weekend picking up some extra money by spreading her legs for an expat.
However, they wouldn't not want to be seen with you if they run into one of their coworkers. They would be questioned when they got back to work about how they knew you and where she met you. She will certainly make up some lie and never state that you were a customer.
When you walk through the mall during lunch time and you see all the office girls going out with their buddies to have lunch. Many of these girls look unattainable. But believe me, many of these girls have their price. And if you meet them in the right situation and the right bar and you can pay the right amount of money and she would be happy to spread her legs for you. And come Monday morning she'll be a regular office girl.
I have learned that in Thailand it's not a question of will a regular girl have sex with you, it's a question of how much will you pay her. Just about every girl has their price, some girls have a very low price and these are the common streetwalkers. And some girls prices are a lot higher, these are the girls who work in the office and then party at an expat Club on the weekend and spread their legs for the right amount of money.
Does she have a letter (identifier) on the Dr. BJ Website? I could very easily do letter Z (exactly my spec ) or letter L. They are very good looking to my taste. I saw letter L plenty of times in the past while taking a different girl. I suppose if I go there now, gossip news will spread very fast indeed to my old regular girl.I'd say she looks like Z. But just ask for forget.
Mixx is 70% WG and 30% normal girls. Its the best pick up club in BKK as of now with the most high end price tags. Women love to go to Mixx for work but on weekends it is 300 bht to go inside for women also.I very much agree with both the statistical estimate, as well as the assessment of Mixx by Alex here.
No WG in a place like Mixx is going to sport a label on her forehead that says "Pick Me Up". That happens on the street or in some discos like Climax.True, very true. I would recommend that you restrict your attention to the girls that are showing you some attention. If you just can't get a girl to meet your eye gaze, and you've tried for a good amount of time, then the girl is either there for a non-P4 P party night, or she is there accompanying a friend who is looking for P4 P, or she just is not in to you. In any of those scenarios, I would say the girl is still attainable, but it would require far too much effort and / or money.
So I would not worry about who is a working girl and who is not, just focus on who is playing eyesies with you.
I very much agree with both the statistical estimate, as well as the assessment of Mixx by Alex here.
True, very true. I would recommend that you restrict your attention to the girls that are showing you some attention. If you just can't get a girl to meet your eye gaze, and you've tried for a good amount of time, then the girl is either there for a non-P4 P party night, or she is there accompanying a friend who is looking for P4 P, or she just is not in to you. In any of those scenarios, I would say the girl is still attainable, but it would require far too much effort and / or money.
So I would not worry about who is a working girl and who is not, just focus on who is playing eyesies with you.Places like Mixx are of a different breed only, you have loads of semi-pros who only on the weekend want to earn some more money just by meeting an expat and earning more and then you have the hardcore WGs who visit Mixx almost every night from Spasso or climax or other clubs of BKK to earn that second round or for customers.
Kumbu man: Salute you of the art which I don't know is natural or you have learned and acquired over the years but its awesome. Never ever stop writing and posting:
See you in DXB: If you can or maybe we catch up in LOS:
Cheers,
Alex
Crocodilexp
06-28-16, 08:02
I have learned that in Thailand it's not a question of will a regular girl have sex with you, it's a question of how much will you pay her. Just about every girl has their price, some girls have a very low price and these are the common streetwalkers. And some girls prices are a lot higher, these are the girls who work in the office and then party at an expat Club on the weekend and spread their legs for the right amount of money.This is a common and dangerous misconception. Sure, Thailand is less squeamish about sex for money than the West, and sure, you can meet an occasional "office girl" (all it means is she doesn't work outdoors) and pay her for sex (if you're not too repulsive and have some manners). However, it's by no means the rule, and by no means applies to everyone or at least the majority.
Yes, almost every girls who hangs out in hooker venues (or "expat venues" if you want to put it politely) will be either a hooker or pretending not to be but willing to do it anyway for the right guy / amount, despite having a daytime office job. However, generalizing this and thinking that you could pay any Thai woman for sex, just if the amount and approach is right, is delusional.
This is a common and dangerous misconception. <SNIP>
However, generalizing this and thinking that you could pay any Thai woman for sex, just if the amount and approach is right, is delusional.Absolutely agree Croc. This is the same extrapolation that guys make about filipinas (where I have lived for almost 20 years), and it's very wrong and will get those who assume this into serious trouble if they are not careful. Girls who hang around monger type establishments are more than likely "available", but the majority of women (probably 80%) which translates into millions, will run away from sex with any foreigner.
Bargain. Lek massage on soi 22, right by the queens park bars, 250 thb for hour thai massage, facilities are as nice as any other regular shop (hot ball massage is a nice option same price or just a little exra) still private room though.
Health land. Behind t21 soi 19, probably highest quality standard and nicer facilities.
Thong lo. Lots of places on soi 55, palm herbal spa was nice and fanciest setup I have seen, you fill out a form on an ipad highlighting areas you want worked on, preferences, ect. Can pay with CC, and can sign up for free discount card and you get like 10% off. Still only 500 thb for hour thai massage.
So in summary for streets, would try 22 and 55. Thong lo can be a nice change from the prime tourist area between nana and asoke. Just as aside, if you like sticky rice and mango a famous popular place is right as you turn onto 55 from suk, you can't miss it. Last trip I got the mango and 3 type rice assortment almost everyday.I also want to include Traveler1234 and Wolven! I appreciate the effort.
I spent three days trying as many massage places as I could fit into the schedule, plus a visit to a couple of the off the beaten path places.
Soi 55 was a bit of a bust, but that was because it was raining that night and I didn't have the patience to look around. The Palm Spa closed at 10:00 and it is a little ways off Soi 55, they must have changed their menu, because it was 750 for an hour Thai massage and there was no iPad menu to select the service you wanted. I may have been in the wrong place.
I did get a 90 min massage at Cefle, and it was very good and legit. The lady that gave me the massage was at least 45 years old and probably weighed the same, it was however a very good massage. Her colleagues were smiling as we went to the room, I am sure they were thinking about this small lady pulling my large frame all over the place.
I found a nice place on Soi 22, and had a very good oil massage, the lady that gave it was attractive, but she said they were not allowed to give "happy endings". She did offer her number and told me that she could visit after hours and give me whatever I wanted from her. I wasn't able to try, but will for certain on my next visit.
I visited the Urban Retreat next to Asoke station and had a great massage, in a classy place. It wasn't cheap by Thai standards, but excellent massage if 100% legit. The good thing was that as I was putting my shoes on to leave, I chatted a spectacular looking leggy Korean lass. I wouldn't normally chat up a lady like that in such a setting, but as it turns out it was good I did. I gave her my number and asked her to dinner. She said she was meeting friends that night, but would call me the next day. She did and we went out to dinner and then shared each other for dessert. She was reluctant to share contacts for future opportunities, so I suspect she may be "encumbered" in Korea, but it was a very nice evening with her in Bangkok. She had legs that went for days and knew her way around a man's body.
I did visit Sing Sing on a Tuesday night, if was DOA. At 1:00 am I was one of about 10 people there and 7 of them were guys. I did have a table next to 3 very cute ladies and we chatted, but at least 2 were married and only there to enjoy the music and be admired by the men in attendance. I tried to grant their wish. I did admire them. On at least this night there were exactly 0 FL's that I could see anyway.
My last night, I thought that I would take a look at the SW's at Nana. I went by the sign about 9:00 pm and the pickings were VERY slim. I was just about to head to Oskars, but decided to walk a few more blocks down the street. Glad I did! Saw exactly what I was looking for, a 30' something well formed lady, dressed like she just left the office. I smiled as we passed, and she said Hello, and kept on walking.
I decided to give pursuit and caught up with her and asked where she was heading. She told me she was going to Gulliver's for a drink. I suggested another locale near my hotel and she readily agreed. A couple of glasses of wine later, we found ourselves in my hotel room. What ensued was one of the most passionate lovemaking sessions I have had in some time. She really knew how to use her mouth to my great pleasure.
We rolled around and tried a fair number of positions. I think when I lined up behind her it hit the sweet spot. I was very close to crossing the finish line when she asked to please not finish inside her. I was perplexed and slowed the pace. She said she wanted me to finish in her mouth. Who was I to complain. I got close, she dropped to her knees (Being a gentleman, I did place a pillow on the floor), removed the cover and expertly used her mouth and just a little bit of hands to release me into her mouth. She didn't quit until I was completely spent. Then smiled sweetly as I watched her swallow. It was magical.
We laughed and joked for a while, but since I had an early departure I suggested she go home on this night. I slid a reasonable gratuity in to her pursue and off she went. I will for sure repeat with this one. She was exactly what I had hoped to find for some time now.
All in all a very nice short stay. I will be back soon, but may try Pattaya on the next visit. I've never been, so a new adventure awaits!
Thanks again to everyone that offered some advice, it is appreciated and is the good part of being in this community!
Sky.
Hi guys,
I'm looking for a nice slow sensual massage that slowly edges you to climax, similar to the Tui Jin in Macau or like this video.
http://i.4cdn.org/gif/1467103906075.webm
Are there such providers in Bangkok?
Another question;.
I'll be heading down to Bangkok next week, would like to find out if these are the main points I should cover for the best "see before you pick" experiences in Bangkok (I'm a guy who likes to get the ability to see and pick, so things like Kapoo massage and Mitu massage don't really work for me as the photos tend to end up much better than the actual person);.
- Soaplands like The Lord Palace, Emanuelle, Poisedon (are there better ones?
- Soi Cowboy for Bacarra & Crazy House.
- Thermae Bar.
- Nana Plaza.
Any others that I should be trying out?
MichaelSamuel
06-30-16, 03:59
Hi guys,
I'm looking for a nice slow sensual massage that slowly edges you to climax, similar to the Tui Jin in Macau or like this video.
http://i.4cdn.org/gif/1467103906075.webm
Are there such providers in Bangkok?
Another question;.
I'll be heading down to Bangkok next week, would like to find out if these are the main points I should cover for the best "see before you pick" experiences in Bangkok (I'm a guy who likes to get the ability to see and pick, so things like Kapoo massage and Mitu massage don't really work for me as the photos tend to end up much better than the actual person);.
- Soaplands like The Lord Palace, Emanuelle, Poisedon (are there better ones?
- Soi Cowboy for Bacarra & Crazy House.
- Thermae Bar.
- Nana Plaza.
Any others that I should be trying out?Other than the gogos your limited in all the others by clothing. The advantage to thermae and the soapies is that you can have the girls stand up. Any massage shop you can also see without picking, but girls are usually sitting. Addict would be an exception in that the girls stand. The nicer sopies though the girls are hiding less if any, so they are dressed really more to show off.
- Soaplands like The Lord Palace, Emanuelle, Poisedon (are there better ones?
- Soi Cowboy for Bacarra & Crazy House.
- Thermae Bar.
- Nana Plaza.
Any others that I should be trying out?For a slow HJ visit any of the hundreds of massage places that offer massage. Ask the girl if she does a "special massage" before you commit. If she says yes, extras are definitely available. Normally they will ask you to flip over on your back to finish you off.
Thermae: I didn't bother going there on my trip last month. The odds are greater you will get nothing there than finding an attractive girl who will go with you. Worth visiting but don't get your hopes up too high.
Your soapy choices are good. I would also consider LaBelle and Amsterdam. Colonze 2 offers the nuru gel experience which I think should be tried. At all soapies you pick the girl and she will do FS. If you want HJ it will cost the same as FS. Up to you. We don't get a lot of soapy reports here these days. My last trip was the first trip I didn't go to a soapy for a girl. I think the novelty has worn off for me and possibly others here.
Add Tilac, Dollhouse, and Shark to your Soi Cowboy visit. These and the Soi cowboy go gos you listed are all within a 30 second walk of each other.
Wolvenvacht
06-30-16, 07:29
- Soi Cowboy for Bacarra & Crazy House.
Definitely add Suzie Wong: you are guaranteed to see nude dancers there. If you go there around 10 PM you can watch the shows, including a very hot lesbian show.
Personally I wouldn't bother with Bacarra: too busy, too focused on Japanese punters and too much clothing on the girls.
Hi guys,
I'm looking for a nice slow sensual massage that slowly edges you to climax, similar to the Tui Jin in Macau or like this video.
http://i.4cdn.org/gif/1467103906075.webm
Are there such providers in Bangkok?
Another question;.
I'll be heading down to Bangkok next week, would like to find out if these are the main points I should cover for the best "see before you pick" experiences in Bangkok (I'm a guy who likes to get the ability to see and pick, so things like Kapoo massage and Mitu massage don't really work for me as the photos tend to end up much better than the actual person);.
- Soaplands like The Lord Palace, Emanuelle, Poisedon (are there better ones?
- Soi Cowboy for Bacarra & Crazy House.
- Thermae Bar.
- Nana Plaza.
Any others that I should be trying out?I got this bunch of information from another guy, can I ask for a quick yay-or-nay run through on these options, and a little description on how are they like?
You can try the following:
- Soapies in Petchaburi Road.
- FLs near the railway line near Makassan Road.
- FLs in Lumpinee Park.
- The exotic puds in Patpong area.
- The massage joints in Sukhumvit area, Chinatown area.
- Eden Club would be good and the puds along that Soi.
- Saphan Kwai area of agogos.
- The FLs along Sukhumvit Soi 3.
- Rajah Hotel for ang mohs.
- The FLs along a Soi in Silom.
Undercoverh
06-30-16, 18:26
For the past few weeks I've been visiting massage parlors and Go-Go bars. The Go-Go bars specifically at soi cowboy and Nana. And with respect to the massage parlors, they would inclde many of the MP on Ratchadaphisek Rd. I've noticed a seismic shift in the quality of girls at massage parlors.
When I first came here 15 years ago, you could easily find beautiful massage parlor girls working and sitting in the Fishbowl. They would provide you full service along with a soapy massage. However, today the massage parlor girls quality has dropped considerably. The girls are older and often times not light skinned it. The white skin girls of course are the most prized bt many Thai man compared to the darker skinned girls. However, many years ago in the Go-Go clubs it was mostly a dark skinned girls from the country. Now a lot of the go-go bar girls are lighter skinned and very sexyand attractive.
My theory for this is that the younger generation of Thai girls are not interested in sitting in a fishbowl and giving a guy a massage for 2 hours alone with a bath and then sex. That's simply too much work. Especially when they can make more money by simply dancing on the stage and doing short time with customers along with their cut from lady drinks. I think the massage parlors will have a difficult time attracting young beautiful women when compared to Soi Nana and so a cowboy.
I went to one of the massage parlors and the service was mediocre at best. And the girl was 28 years old and had a baby. This would have been unheard of 15 years ago at the massage parlor. Most of these type of girls would have worked at the beer bars. So my conclusion is that the massage parlors are simply dragging the beer bar girls to pretend that they are Massage Girls. I have come to the conclusion that I am better off goingto a go-go bar, where I can see the girl's body, buyer a ladies drink and chat with her for a while to determine the type of Personality she has.
I used to feel that it was an advantage to going to a massage parlor where they were set prices. But that Advantage is no more to be had. The challenge with dealing with go-go bar girls is that the prices will vary depending on many factors. Sometimes I do not feel like negotiating, but with the girls I saw that crazy house the other night, it's worth the effort trying to negotiate. These girls have very sexy bodies, they're young and they are all fully naked on the stage. I also checked out Bangkok bunnies at Nana and the girls dance topless and are very fun to play with. So my new attitude I am going to skip completely the massage parlors and just stick with the Go-Go girls for now.
I got this bunch of information from another guy, can I ask for a quick yay-or-nay run through on these options, and a little description on how are they like.You listed nearly all the forum topics here, with the exception of "how to identify ladyboys". Maybe it will come next.
Out of the 34800 posts on Bangkok you should find at least 3000 giving the information you look for.
Plus other threads.
Keep on reading and leave aside the "sex traveller guide" you might have in one hand.
BKK is at least 150 times more than what you listed. Some are the expensive joints.
RTFF and you will als for yourself an opinion on what you have to do once in BKK.
If and when you land in LOS.
Traveler1234
06-30-16, 19:08
My theory for this is that the younger generation of Thai girls are not interested in sitting in a fishbowl and giving a guy a massage for 2 hours alone with a bath and then sex. That's simply too much work. I think the massage parlors will have a difficult time attracting young beautiful women when compared to Soi Nana and so a cowboy.
.Which soapies did you visit? The top girls are all side-liners and still 8/10++ . Just pricier. But given the BF and ST rates these days, the two are still fairly comparable.
Wolvenvacht
06-30-16, 20:20
I got this bunch of information from another guy, can I ask for a quick yay-or-nay run through on these options, and a little description on how are they like?
You can try the following:
(. . .)
- FLs in Lumpinee Park.I don't think that's a good idea. Low price but high risk and low quality. It is a nice park during the day, but I wouldn't risk going there at night.
- The exotic puds in Patpong area.Patpong has a reputation of ripping off visitors. Don't follow any touts and don't go to any upstairs clubs. There are a few agogo clubs in Patpong that are OK, "Bada Bing" comes to mind. However it is an area where you need to be carefully alert. The vast number of tourists that visit the night market will also attract pick-pockets and other no-gooders.
- The massage joints in Sukhumvit area, Chinatown area.Sukhumvit is generally OK, but the quality varies wildly from one place to another. It is generally safe to go to. Chinatown is not for the timid. I'd leave that part of Bangkok's night life to the locals.
- Eden Club would be good and the puds along that Soi.Go to Eden Club if you want a threesome, otherwise there are bettter options.
- Saphan Kwai area of agogos.Not for newbies and you better speak some Thai. Some reports said that non-Thais are less welcome here.
I don't think that's a good idea. Low price but high risk and low quality. It is a nice park during the day, but I wouldn't risk going there at night.
Patpong has a reputation of ripping off visitors. Don't follow any touts and don't go to any upstairs clubs. There are a few agogo clubs in Patpong that are OK, "Bada Bing" comes to mind. However it is an area where you need to be carefully alert. The vast number of tourists that visit the night market will also attract pick-pockets and other no-gooders.
Sukhumvit is generally OK, but the quality varies wildly from one place to another. It is generally safe to go to. Chinatown is not for the timid. I'd leave that part of Bangkok's night life to the locals.
Go to Eden Club if you want a threesome, otherwise there are bettter options.
Not for newbies and you better speak some Thai. Some reports said that non-Thais are less welcome here.Thanks a lot! This is exactly the quick run-through that I need to know. So I guess the above are generally misses, and I ought to stick with what I am familiar with, meaning;
- Soaplands like The Lord Palace, Emanuelle, Poisedon, LaBelle, Amsterdam, Colonze 2 (out of all of these, which are the current favourites nowadays?
- Soi Cowboy for Bacarra, Crazy House, Tilac, Dollhouse, Shark, and Suzie Wong (out of all of these, which are the current favorites nowadays?
- Thermae Bar (I managed to find a couple good looking girls the last time I was here, is the general quality lower nowadays compared to Soapies & Soi Cowboy?
- Nana Plaza (Straps, any others?
- Eden Club (how is the quality like? Should I bother with this place?
ThingStick
07-01-16, 03:15
Thanks a lot! This is exactly the quick run-through that I need to know. So I guess the above are generally misses, and I ought to stick with what I am familiar with, meaning;
- Soaplands like The Lord Palace, Emanuelle, Poisedon, LaBelle, Amsterdam, Colonze 2 (out of all of these, which are the current favourites nowadays?
- Soi Cowboy for Bacarra, Crazy House, Tilac, Dollhouse, Shark, and Suzie Wong (out of all of these, which are the current favorites nowadays?
- Thermae Bar (I managed to find a couple good looking girls the last time I was here, is the general quality lower nowadays compared to Soapies & Soi Cowboy?
- Nana Plaza (Straps, any others?
- Eden Club (how is the quality like? Should I bother with this place?I'm curious as to the experience / pricing of these soapies as well. I've noticed most begin around 4,000. I'll definitely be having a look either way in October.
I went to one of the massage parlors and the service was mediocre at best. And the girl was 28 years old and had a baby. This would have been unheard of 15 years ago at the massage parlor. Most of these type of girls would have worked at the beer bars. So my conclusion is that the massage parlors are simply dragging the beer bar girls to pretend that they are Massage Girls. I have come to the conclusion that I am better off goingto a go-go bar, where I can see the girl's body, buyer a ladies drink and chat with her for a while to determine the type of Personality she has.
I used to feel that it was an advantage to going to a massage parlor where they were set prices. But that Advantage is no more to be had. The challenge with dealing with go-go bar girls is that the prices will vary depending on many factors. Sometimes I do not feel like negotiating, but with the girls I saw that crazy house the other night, it's worth the effort trying to negotiate. These girls have very sexy bodies, they're young and they are all fully naked on the stage. I also checked out Bangkok bunnies at Nana and the girls dance topless and are very fun to play with. So my new attitude I am going to skip completely the massage parlors and just stick with the Go-Go girls for now.I came to that same conclusion regarding go-go girls vs massage shop girls 2-3 years ago. I would add another element that, imo, plays a big part in the better quality of service I have been getting from go-go girls vs the waste of time and money I've spent at massage shops; by the massage shops' very nature the "passivity" allowed the customer virtually insures that the girl will see him as, well, for lack of a better term wimpy. Even an otherwise hard charging man of action would come off as a wimp in such an environment. He walks into a massage shop, sits before a line up and, at most, points. He might need to be hand-held by a mamasan or papasan on a selection. He selects from a menu as though that would assure him the sexual acts he dares not utter face to face with a girl beforehand. Often, this is all done while he is safely protected behind a plate of glass.
If he had a some game (or so the massage shop girl would naturally assume) and was at least willing to have a go at engaging in a little back and forth bargaining / negotiating that these girls have since birth associated with someone who values his time and money, this customer wouldn't have walked into a massage shop in the first place. Or so the girls might very well assume. He would be out there scoring a younger, better looking go-go dancer or freelancer and doing so by boldly negotiating the sexual acts and price he damn well wants and is willing to pay.
That kind of confident assertiveness exudes a masculine vibe that women respond to even when they are doing a job. They generally don't respond all that well to men they perceive to be wimps. Therefore, it is more likely that a customer who puts forth that kind of effort will get better sex from a hotter girl as reward for the effort. It is unlikely that the same girl or the next one would bother giving great or even good sex to a man for whom her first impression is he's taking a wimpy approach to the encounter.
Again, I'm not saying men who go to massage shops rather than go-go bars or approaching freelancers for sexual pleasures are wimps. I am only saying that would almost have to be the impression massage shop girls have of their customers no matter how far from the truth that is in real life and, imo, their mediocre, by the numbers (at best) level of service for those customers is the nearly unavoidable result.
Member #4698
07-01-16, 04:01
With all due respect, I have a short question for EihTooms; why are you still hanging out in BKK? You paint a very dismal picture of this still amazing city full of sexy fun girls. If things where as bad for me in BKK as they seem to be for you vis-a-vis Thai working girls, I would be out of here and partying it up in Manila, AC, Jakarta, Phnom, or SA before I could say poon tang and I would never look back. Yet you are still here. WHY?
With all due respect, I have a short question for EihTooms; why are you still hanging out in BKK? You paint a very dismal picture of this still amazing city full of sexy fun girls. If things where as bad for me in BKK as they seem to be for you vis-a-vis Thai working girls, I would be out of here and partying it up in Manila, AC, Jakarta, Phnom, or SA before I could say poon tang and I would never look back. Yet you are still here. WHY?Natty, I think a lot of residents compare BKK now to what it was 15 years ago and truth be told it is an shadow of itself when it comes to the P4 P industry. There is just not the volume of gals out there. Not in the least. And please don't get me started on attitudes. So I agree that the the scene is in fact pretty dismal. It's been in decline for years due to many factors.
I was in Crazy House the other night, and frankly I really don't get it. I found all the gals there to be fairly meh looking for the most part. Yes, there are quite a few that don't have kids, but so many have had bad plastic surgery and are trying their best not to look so Isaan, and not being so successful with it. When you see them out on the street drinking at the yadong stall the marginal looks really become apparent. In a mall, I would not give them a second glance. And these gals want that much money for ST and the bar wants what for BF? Really blows me away and that is why I am never in Cowboy or any GoGo area for that matter. How much would I pay one of those gals for a ST? 1500 would be about it. Along with a 500 Baht BF. For what they are asking I would expect 2 shots and one hell of a PSE ride. And I don't think that is on the menu.
My partaking frequency has decreased markedly, not because of lack of desire but because it is almost impossible to get a combination of great looks and stellar performance at any cost. To be frank, when a ST was 1 k and that was 25 USD, I really did not care so much about performance. But when you are looking at 100 USD then that is a different matter altogether. Expectations go up.
I moved to BKK for the great P4 P scene and because you could live a 5 star life on a 3 star budget. Both are no longer reasons to move here. I stay for other reasons now and I imagine Elh does as well. Some of us have developed friendships, relationships, etc. Hell, this is home now. I think if you lived here you view of BKK would change rather quickly.
If you are choosing a purely mongering destination I think there are better places. Jakarta is still a gem if you are willing to put up with the difficulty of getting around. The PI if you can handle the very third world nature of everything there. I would really like to check out Medellin.
Crocodilexp
07-01-16, 05:53
A lot of residents compare BKK now to what it was 15 years ago and truth be told it is an shadow of itself when it comes to the P4 P industry. There is just not the volume of gals out there. Not in the least. And please don't get me started on attitudes. So I agree that the the scene is in fact pretty dismal. It's been in decline for years due to many factors.
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To be frank, when a ST was 1 k and that was 25 USD, I really did not care so much about performance. But when you are looking at 100 USD then that is a different matter altogether. Expectations go up.
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If you are choosing a purely mongering destination I think there are better places. Jakarta is still a gem if you are willing to put up with the difficulty of getting around. The PI if you can handle the very third world nature of everything there. I would really like to check out Medellin.
Spot on, great summary of how things have gone.
Unfortunately, I don't think there are better places anywhere, certainly not in Asia. It's possible there are some in South America where I haven't been, crime is a big turnoff.
There's prostitution all across the world, but very, very few places have the open-ended arrangement like Thailand or the Philippines, where you can start off with a girl for a relatively small fee, and then decide where to take it. A pop, an hour, a night, a day, even all the way up to marriage (if you're crazy), all up to you. Sure, it mostly ends up being 1-2 h short-time encounters (I rarely even go long-time, but often repeat), but there's often an open-ended human connection, not just mechanical sex (however good) ending as soon as you you pop, or when time is up. The scene has also been so large that hunting alone was pleasant (just strolling down Sukhumwit at night was a blast), which is rather hard to find elsewhere.
Jakarta is still cheap (you can get that 400 k idr /$25 session) and has some amazing lookers, but is definitely lacking in both open-endedness (zero, cheap places are mafia run, you're incessantly hounded by mamasans, the girl gets 150 k idr and cannot leave the premises) and service (rare to find someone doing more than just going through the motions, let alone PSE). There are some very expensive brothels like Alexis with amazing lookers, but few people brag about the service, and it's still tightly run. Freelancers at big hotels like BATS are a tad too expensive (1. 5 m-2 m, which is $100-$150), and it's not a huge scene either. Almost no streetwalkers, certainly not the type you'd care to shag. Jakarta is truly great for dating normal girls, though.
Vietnam (HCMC) is cheap enough if you know where to go ($15 gets you laid), but the selection is hit-and-miss, and even with the hits, the hassle and level of flaking is unreal. The Vietnamese seem to take pride in making this terrible (or at least uncomfortable) for the customer.
The Philippines still have the somewhat open-ended prostitution and wide choice, but Angeles City is a complete shithole, and dangerous too.
I'd love to discover a new destination which offers a large selection of girls with possibility of open-ended arrangements at reasonable prices like Bangkok / Pattaya did up until 10 years ago. But I'm not sure one exists or will appear within our lifetimes.
Undercoverh
07-01-16, 06:54
I received a private message from a member asking where's the best place to stay in Bangkok. The short answer is, near the red light district.
Basically there are three which are Nana, patpong, and soi cowboy. There are many other sex outlets but these are the hub of sex. In my opinion, particularly for a first time Comer to Bangkok, no pun intended, it is wise to stay at hotels that are only maybe a 5-10 minute walk from the red light districts.
The advantage of this is that if you find a go go girl you can easily walker back to your hotel. And this goes for Freelancers also. Note that most bar girls and Freelancers do not want to take a taxi for a long distance to get to your hotel. They feel it was not worth the effort. Also, you don't want to spend lots of time in the Taxi's here. The traffic is horrible and it will take you forever to travel a couple of miles.
Therefore tip number two is to stay close to the SkyTrain. If I had to pick one spot, I would say stay at a hotel close to the Nana SkyTrain. This is centrally located in walking distance between Nana red light district and Soi Cowboy red light district. Plus you can hop on the Nana SkyTrain and take you just about anywhere you want to go in Bangkok including other red light districts such as Patpong.
Also if you're into oily massage Outlets they're just 3 stops away after you get on the SkyTrain at Nana. I know often times people will look online and try to find the best deal and stay wherever that hotel is. Oftentimes you will regret this if you're a single male because you'll be out far away from the action. And traveling long distances for me takes the fun out of getting to the location.
These are just my opinions about where to stay. Bear in mind that there are literally hundreds of sex Outlet locations in Bangkok. Everything from beer bars, to massage parlors, oily massage parlors, Go-Go bars, Freelancers, and girls that you meet in freelance nightclubs. The bottom line is, sex is for sale everywhere in Bangkok. But if you want to be in walking distance to the action then you simply need to get a hotel close to one of the red light districts.
If you prefer patpong, then check out the hotels that are 5 to 10 minutes walking distance at that red light district. His question also included where to find the best looking girls. There are girls that come and go at all these clubs and massage parlors. You'll see a group of pretty girls last week at a go-go Club and go there again months later and the personnel has changed.
My suggestion is just to take a walk to one of the red light districts, such as Nana, and stick your head in the Go-Go Bar and see what's on display. Personally, I like Go-Go bars where the girls are dancing topless or completely naked. If they're wearing a bikini, I have no interest in sitting there and buying them lady drinks because if you try to touch their tits they're most likely will be shy or maybe just raise their bikini a little bit.
I will never forget the look on the guy's face that was sitting next to me in a go go bar. He took a cute girl in the club but she had a bikini on. The girl that I picked was dancing topless with big tits. He bought a lady drink for his girl and I bought a lady drink for my girl. Within 5 minutes I was feeling on her tits and squeezing her ass. The other guy, who picked a girl with a bikini on she would not let him touch her. After the lady drink she just simply got up and went back to dancing. My girls stayed with me and we had more fun at the bar. He was looking my girl and me and looked sad. Note that's some bars have both girls dressed in bikinis and and girls that are nude or topless
The girls who dance completely nude or topless or more likely to let you touch her tits and squeeze your ass and maybe let you play with her pussy. But every man has his own preferences and you have to find what's best for you after spending some time in Bangkok. From year to year, I change what I like about Bangkok and maybe next year I'll like Freelancers. Last year I was into massage parlors. This year I'm into Go-Go bars. The wonderful thing about Bangkok is that whatever your preference for sex, it is for sale here!
Wolvenvacht
07-01-16, 07:33
I think a lot of residents compare BKK now to what it was 15 years ago and truth be told it is an shadow of itself when it comes to the P4 P industry. If that is indeed the trend then by the same token the scene today wil lbe much better than it will be in the next years.
So there are good reasons to partake now and enjoy it.
And really, who cares about how it was yesterday, last year or ten years ago? For lack of a time machine, that's a closed book now. Should I be sad I don't live in medieval times where I could exert my ius primae noctis on the virgins of the village? Or that it is not done anymore to drag the women by their hair into my cave where I can ravage them all night long? I'm happy to live now and that I can travel to places such as Bangkok or Pattaya where sex is available and fun and where I can join in without having to take a second mortgage on my house.
All such recollections of past times are nice to read perhaps, but add nothing for those who did not experience them.
Maybe Jackson should open a new thread: "Recollections of old mongers"?
What's the recent pricing you've found in Bangkok gogo bars? Want to add to this list so that we have a reference point for barfines and ST / LT at the different gogos?
Crazy House. BF 700. ST 3000 with #90 "Pink". The mami with the long face and glasses wanted 1000 for BF plus 3000 girl's ST, all prepaid. I got into an argument with her and later paid 700 BF to a different mami, girl was paid separately afterwards. I remember BF being 600 previously and girls being in the 2500 range ST. But this girl was great, cute, real spinner and a good fuck. By the way, didn't know there is a restaurant up on the 4th floor of Crazy House. Food was not bad. What are the recent amounts everyone's paid for BF and ST / LT at Crazy House?
Member #4535
07-01-16, 11:19
Good folks on ISG.
Have been a long time lurker at the BKK forum, learning from your collective wisdom all the time. Just finished by 8th visit here and this time something happened, that I thought needs to be shared and maybe seek your collective advice / thoughts on.
My regular modus operandi before I get to Thailand is to chat up a few FL's on TF, Skout, Tinder, etc because I'm not a fan of the hardcore go-go bar scene. An occasional soapy, or massage experience is OK, but mainly I crave the GFE of a semi. Pro.
This strategy has served me well in the past. It has been well documented as well by a few of you. I like the relative uncertainty of meeting a gal this way and seeing how it plays out. Yeah sure, it has not always been happy sailing (one time I ended up at the police station, but that's story best forgotten). I have always been careful of not getting that emotional shit carry on beyond our first meeting. I make sure to pay her some amount, which makes sure to her that I'm not in it for the long haul.
So generally the kind of girls who meet up are either young and stupid, looking to buy the next iPhone or the Chanel dress, or 30+ milfs with mouths to feed, but face to save (typical Thai culture) and so go the semi pro route. This time though, was chatting up a working gal, works a pretty decent job, super cute, rocking hot bod, no kids, no commitments. That was a first for me, so I was kinda interested. I did make my intentions clear that I'm not in it for the long haul. She still insisted that we meet.
Picked her up from the BTS, back to my hotel room was a short 10 min walk. This chick went to work on me like there was no tomorrow. First night we did it 3 times. Next day she insisted we go to the kings palace. Paid for the taxi herself, paid for the food herself, even upon me insisting that I should pay. Back to the room and went to work again.
To cut a long story short, I've never had a romp like this, even during my college days, and that's saying a lot. Next morning, I was spent dry and sore. And she insisted on one last one. I told her, that's not happening, I might have to go to the hospital. Well, you know what happens when a Thai gal gets an idea in her head, she is unstoppable. Guess what, we did it one more time, and she taking me in her mouth, looking up and saying, "I win". Damn.
She then proceeded to launder all clothes, and iron them. I kept telling her, don't do stuff for me, but she wouldn't take no for an answer. I also made it pretty clear to her that I'm not in it for the long haul, she didn't seem to mind.
Now, I'm not handsome, not really rich, not young (35, she is 28 and cute as a button) and Indian (keeping it real here, Thai girls are not known to fall head over heels with Indians).
This has left me totally confused, never before have I been with a Thai girl (who is clearly not an FL, because I dropped her to her workplace the next day) who has acted in this way. Not sure if I should meet her again or even talk to her online.
If that is indeed the trend then by the same token the scene today wil lbe much better than it will be in the next years.
So there are good reasons to partake now and enjoy it.
And really, who cares about how it was yesterday, last year or ten years ago? For lack of a time machine, that's a closed book now. Should I be sad I don't live in medieval times where I could exert my ius primae noctis on the virgins of the village? Or that it is not done anymore to drag the women by their hair into my cave where I can ravage them all night long? I'm happy to live now and that I can travel to places such as Bangkok or Pattaya where sex is available and fun and where I can join in without having to take a second mortgage on my house.
All such recollections of past times are nice to read perhaps, but add nothing for those who did not experience them.
Maybe Jackson should open a new thread: "Recollections of old mongers"?And that being said, you cannot really understand how those of us feel having had those experiences and seeing the scene now. It's really depressing. And yes, my guess is in 15 years it will be even worse.
Anyone know if the "Easy" street bar is still open outside Citibank Soi cowboy, the "country road" end. I'm being told closed due to girls. Was there last week when it got a police / army check and they took a girl away.
Hi guys,
I'm looking for a nice slow sensual massage that slowly edges you to climax, similar to the Tui Jin in Macau or like this video.
http://i.4cdn.org/gif/1467103906075.webm
Are there such providers in Bangkok?
Another question;.
I'll be heading down to Bangkok next week, would like to find out if these are the main points I should cover for the best "see before you pick" experiences in Bangkok (I'm a guy who likes to get the ability to see and pick, so things like Kapoo massage and Mitu massage don't really work for me as the photos tend to end up much better than the actual person);.
- Soaplands like The Lord Palace, Emanuelle, Poisedon (are there better ones?
- Soi Cowboy for Bacarra & Crazy House.
- Thermae Bar.
- Nana Plaza.
Any others that I should be trying out?Soi 22 has a side-street with places that offer this. There is Analisa / Tantra Massage (same girls, 2 different buildings). There is also Honey Bee Massage. They have websites you can google to see pictures of the girls. I recently went to Analisa and I really dislike the service quality AND price. They charge way too much for a handjob, and try to sell it like it is some kind of kinky service. The 2 girls I saw were very, very poorly skilled at everything. The idea being that tantric massage is supposed to take a skilled massusease is one thing, these 2 women couldn't even do a regular massage / HJ right. Fucking boring and waste of money. My advice, is to go there if you want and roll the dice. The better skilled ones were all pre-booked when I went, so you have to read reviews and find the skilled ones, and pre-book.
Also, they charge $3000 baht for "tease and denial" 1 hour, which I think is what you want. $3000 for a handjob by a lady that looks like dog meat. Otherwise they offer tantra massage which is really just a regular sensual massage with a very minor amount of half-hearted teasing and a dirty fake peacock feather.
But, please do check out those places and let us know if you find a good provider. I'm thinking Honey Bee Massage might be better since their prices are lower and I thought their girls were reasonable skilled when I went a year ago (and they looked somewhat more attractive too).
Wolvenvacht
07-01-16, 20:26
This has left me totally confused, never before have I been with a Thai girl (who is clearly not an FL, because I dropped her to her workplace the next day) who has acted in this way. Not sure if I should meet her again or even talk to her online.Why do you question your good luck?
If she pushes all your buttons and isn't (yet) making any financial demands, by all means: continue! A good strategy is to reinforce success.
Now, I'm not handsome, not really rich, not young (35, she is 28 and cute as a button) and Indian (keeping it real here, Thai girls are not known to fall head over heels with Indians).
This has left me totally confused, never before have I been with a Thai girl (who is clearly not an FL, because I dropped her to her workplace the next day) who has acted in this way. Not sure if I should meet her again or even talk to her online.I agree with Wolvenvacht: there does not seem to be anything to panic about (yet). Sounds like you have plenty of experience, and so I am sure you can handle whatever she throws at you.
My take on this is that despite you telling her that you are not in it for the long haul, she has decided that you will be hers for the long haul. Kind of like that last BJ you got: you said no, she said yes, and when she did you, she told you that she wins. So she may be trying to strong arm you into falling for her. So I would just keep mentioning, in a nice and respectful kind of way, that you are not interested in commitments. And of course, make sure you keep paying her. Heck, the money you save on laundry might make the whole thing worthwhile.
Member #4698
07-01-16, 22:19
Natty, I think a lot of residents compare BKK now to what it was 15 years ago and truth be told it is an shadow of itself when it comes to the P4 P industry.
I was in Crazy House the other night, and frankly I really don't get it. I found all the gals there to be fairly meh looking for the most part.
I moved to BKK for the great P4 P scene and because you could live a 5 star life on a 3 star budget. Both are no longer reasons to move here. I stay for other reasons now and I imagine Elh does as well. Some of us have developed friendships, relationships, etc. Hell, this is home now. I think if you lived here you view of BKK would change rather quickly.
If you are choosing a purely mongering destination I think there are better places. Jakarta is still a gem if you are willing to put up with the difficulty of getting around. The PI if you can handle the very third world nature of everything there. I would really like to check out Medellin.G, A few months ago you posted an excellent and very descriptive report about how great things where when you first arrived in the big mango. You wrote about Thermae in its hey day and Sukhumvit FL's in depth. It was a great post. I first visited BKK '89. The city seemed to me to have an exotic feel or maybe that was just my initial reaction and nothing more. Patpong was going strong then. Cowboy was nothing more that a couple of expat bars with girls. I didn't go there that first visit. I took my first Thai girl from a place called Queens Castle on Patpong 1. And no, she was not a ladyboy. 555. I remember the layout of Queens Castle quite well with a runway stage down the middle of the bar and 30 or so girls dancing / shuffling on stage to the Rolling Stones "Honky Tonk Woman" and other great rock songs. There were only 2 girls whose looks got my attention that 1st night; a dark spinner with a great tight little body and a lighter skinned damsel wearing eye glasses. I chose the eye glass girl. I guess I prefeered the innocent look she was projecting over the sultry look of the spinner. Ha Ha! In any case I had a great time that night and became permanently hooked on Thai girls and Asian girls in general from then on.
But even back in '89 there were guys saying that LOS was so much better 15 years earlier in the early '70's when there was no differential between LT and ST. It was all "Up to You" time and girls would stay for a couple hours, a night, a week, or however long a guy wanted them to stay. Prices in the early '70's were rock bottom, there was no HIV, nobody wore a condom unless they wanted to, girls were all natural and had lots of pubic hair, Thai Stick was readily available. Yada yada yada, I could keep going for a long time on this. That was the early '70's and I am sure it was a gas!
Now I started my journeys in Mexico and Central America in the early '70's. I drove down to Mexico with my best friend. We had an ounce of Afghani Hash and about a hundred ludes stashed away in the car. Jesus, did we have a good time! When we finally hit Costa Rica 4 months later, it was like we made it to the promised land. We camped out on breathtaking deserted beaches in Gunacaste and hooked up with beautiful Ticas, working girls in San Jose nightclubs and Go Go's. My favorite spot was a place called Colt 45. It was a Go Go with about 6 girls dancing topless on stage at a time. Being young, brash, confident Gringos which we were; the girls loved us! I never paid for sex back then. We would just make plans to meet the girls after clsoing around the corner from their bar and then spend the night with them. Does it get better than that? NO! But on my next trip to Latin America, which lasted for 2 friggin' years, I started in San Jose and then worked my way south. I spent 6 months that trip in Columbia and back in '76 Columbia was pretty wild. I had a black Cartagena GF by the name of Mercedes. She was a living doll. I met her in a club called Las Vegas. She was a working girl obviously, but again I never paid for her attentions. She never asked for money.
I could go on and on with amazing stories from those golden days in Latin America. But as I got older I began to make serious money back in the USA. By the time I entered my third decade I got tired of the freebie approach and found it much easier and convenient to just Pay 4 Play and that is the way its been for me ever since. But I will never forget those amazing trips of my early twenties. They were the best.
Fast forward. The year is now 2016. I haven't visited Latin America since 2008. I now prefer Asia and Asian girls almost exclusively. But that is just me and my book on SA is closed. Now some guys still love Brazil or Columbia. Some guys love Africa. I don't get the later, but its all fine with me if that's what someone likes. But, I don't see the point in comparing BKK today with BKK 15 years ago or BKK 30 years ago because as much as we hold certain memories sacred, and as much as we would like to go back to relive those great times; it can't be done.
Now you and some other BM's paint a really depressing picture of today's BKK in comparison to BKK of 15 years ago. I disagree with you because I still have a really great time in BKK. If I didn't I would say so and I would spend more time and more of my hard earned money somewhere else. For example, on my last trip, I spent 4 weeks in BKK, 2 weeks in Jakarta, 2 weeks in Manila, and 4 nights in Macau. I had a great time and met quality girls everywhere. I wish I could post pictures of my girls on the public forum, but some pencil dick will take them and show the girls, so I can't do it. My #1 & #2 girls were from Makati. #3 was Jakarta. My #4, #5, #6 was BKK. #7, #8 were Macau. #9 was Jakarta. #10, #11,  was BKK. So while my BKK girls did not take home the Gold or Silver this year, they still did very well and made me very happy happy. The competition this year was very stiff. Let me be specific:
BKK Massage parlors:
Boss. I reunited with a girl I met in Oct 2015. She is kind of sexy. Face 5. 5. Body 6. 5. Attitude and service: 9. 2 - fucking amazing. A really passionate girl. No tricks or porn star stuff. Just really good passionate love making.
Addicts. A new girl. She smiled at me in the line up. She is sexy cute. Face 6. Body 6. 5. Attitude and service: 9. 2 - super passionate like the Boss girl. Initially she was acting shy while taking off her top. I asked her what was wrong and she said she had small breasts. I told her I loved small breasts, She took off her bra revealing beautiful little "A" cups with pink nipples. I said they were beautiful as I cupped them and then kissed them. After that the girl was all mine!
Nataree. Cute sexy light skinned girl. Face 6. 2. Body 6. 5. Attitude and service 6. 5. There was nothing wrong with this session. BBBJ included. But competition was stiff this spring and I never returned to Nataree.
Mango. I hooked up with the sexiest girl they have on the roster. That is not saying much, but she is a great girl and definitely knows how to please a man. Face 5. 7. Body 6. 3. Attitude and service 8. I took her 2 times in the shop and I time at my hotel. I thoroughly enjoyed my sessions with her.
La Belle. I was a little disappointed with the lineup this time around, but I selected a sexy girl from the DdDDD category I believe. Face 6. 2. Body 7. 3. Attitude and Service 6. The session was good, but not memorable. I would have to look at my notes and the photos to remember this girl properly. All I remember off the top of my head is that she wore undies with a puma imprint covering her pussy.
The Lord. I took 3 girls from the Lord. 2 or the 3 were stellar IMHO. They were my #5 & #7 girls of the trip. I repeated with both of them twice. The 3rd Lord girl was good looking, but we had no real chemistry and so the session was ok, but not memorable.
Lord Girl #1 - sexy, pretty. 25. She gave me really good white glove service. I remember laying back in the hot tub drinking Heineken on the rocks while she blew me. Face 6. 9. Body 7. 2. Service and Attitude - 8. 5.
Lord Girl #2 - high class looking and well coiffed. I love this girl! She gave me the best blow job of the trip. No I take that back, She gave me 4 of the best BJ's of this trip in one session no less, including the last BJ where she pulled me up from where I was kneeling around her ass eating her out and rimming her. She pulled me up from there so my knees were straddling her face and then she blew me that 4th time. I have been visiting BKK for a long time, but I can't recall ever sitting on a Thai girls's face before. What a great session this was. Face 7. Body 6. 5 (She had silly cones which I failed to detect while she was sitting in the fishbowl. She said she hated them) Attitude and Service 9 - one of my best girls of the trip - #5 to be exact. Very memorable.
BKK Go Go.
Crazy House. I took 4 girls from CH this trip. Two of them made #4 and #6 on my list. All of my CH girls were real nice and treated me like I was a king. Girl # 4 - I shagged her many times solo and also shagged her and her sister in a threesome twice. I also shagged #4 and #6 (number 4's BFF) twice in a threesome as well. The two nights I spent with #4 & #6 were one of the highlights of my trip.
CH girl #4 - Face - 7. Body 7. 8. Attitude and Service 9. We have been in Line communication nearly every other day since I returned home. She says she loves me. I tell her I love her too. And I do. 5555!
CH girl #6 - Face 7. 2. Body 7. 8. Attitude and Service 9. I am looking forward to seeing #6 again. I want to shag her solo as well as in a threesome. While we were all together #6 showed interest in #4, her BFF by massaging #4's breasts and clit. This was a great great night!
I will stop here because I think I made my point which is I am still having really great times in BKK. In fact, this last trip was one of my best in spite of the fact that, yeah, things might have been better in some ways 15 to 30 years ago.
So my question to you is: where has it gotten better in the last 15 years? My answer is Nowhere!
ChangPIng has been completely shut by the authorities.
Phnom Penh is a pale shadow of its former greatness. 2009 before the bar raids was the last great year of PP. I still recall 4 or 5 days after I left Cambodia in the spring of 2009 when I was walking down Sukhumvit feeling blue and completely bummed out because I was not in Phom Penh anymore!
Macau is under threat. Authorities there have closed the Lisboa Racetrack which was an amazing FL attraction. The saunas are feeling threatened and exposed. I was there in April. There is a new payment protocol in place in some of the highest quality bordellos which requires the customer to pay the girl her cut of the fee in the room and then pay the balance owed to the sauna afterwards. The hope is this new form of payment will give the Saunas defensible deniability of any P4P occurring on their property. My concern is how long will the authorities continue to allow saunas to operate. It is anybody's guess. Meanwhile sauna prices are soaring through the roof. I was quoted an obscene 3000 mop ($385) and 3500 mop ($449) for 90 minutes with Chinese and Korean super models respectively in Rio Sauna. The girls were hot, amazingly hot and were the best looking girls I have ever seen in any P4 P situation anywhere. They were definitely TV actress or makeup advertising quality girls. An altercation occurred between myself and the host over the form of payment and I left the sauna very pissed off without doing one of the Chinese super models. I still have mixed emotions about that.
Manila (Makati) has a fairly robust nightlife, but it is more expensive than Cowboy or Nana. Barfines on Burgos are equal to what the girls expect so for example at Kojax, currently the hottest bar on Burgos, the barfine is 3000 p plus the girl wants 3000 p which comes to a grand total of 6000 p ($128) for ST. I should note here that my 2 favorite girls on my last two Asian trips work in Bottoms Bar. They like me, I like them, and we have a special long running relationship, so the girls come straight to my hotel bypassing the barfine structure and thus saving me something like $1500 on my last visit. I suppose that if I showed up on their doorstep in Manila without any money the girls would shag me once in a while for free, but I am sure the frequency of service would decline rapidly and the girls would tell me more and more how they need to go to work and make money. 555. I ain't 22 no more.
Jakarta is still great, My #3 girl of this trip works in Malioboro Lounge and she is HOT! BUT top notch Jakarta girls are as expensive or more expensive than their counterparts in top end BKK soapies or Go Go's. And prices have shot up 50% in Jakarta in the last 5 years. #3 is a 2,000,000 idr ($152) in house girl. When you add in Tequilas and such, a night in Malioboro Lounge or Malio Club is VERY expensive. They only sell double shots of Tequilas and boy can you get hammered fast on double Tequilas. I always have a great time at Malioboro. Fortunately, like my Makati girls, #3 began visiting me at my hotel on Sunday, her day off and then started coming to see me after work at 1 am on week nights. I gave her 1,000,000 idr ($76) plus tips or around $90 for her visits which is still a lot, but it was worth it to me. She is a stunner (8) in looks and the sex is a 9. I can't wait to see her again. I love a 20 year old Muslim girl! LOL.
I hope I have given a little perspective to the conversation concerning BKK. In the last year and half I have been fortunate to visit South East Asia 3 times spending roughly 6 months on the road here (50% in LOS, 25% in Jakarta, 25% in Manila). Of the three cities, BKK is still the best overall IMHO. Nowhere can you find nearly everything you want in such close proximity. The cuisine is excellent and safe to eat nearly anywhere. Violence against foreigners is very low. And there is an oversupply of hotel and apartments making BKK still one of the the most economical cities to visit or live in Asia. And the girls: there are still plenty of good ones. Believe me Plenty! Maybe less than in days gone by, maybe not, but how many girls does a punter need to have a rollicking good time? I found the supply of sexy, friendly Thai working girls bountiful.
So stay thirsty friends. In the immortal words of Sting, "When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around."
So my question to you is: where has it gotten better in the last 15 years? My answer is Nowhere!Agree with you here. Our hobby is under threat everywhere. And yes, we need to enjoy what we have. Older age is looking bleak for our genitals. I am sure BKK was better in 89 than in 99.
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My take on this is that despite you telling her that you are not in it for the long haul, she has decided that you will be hers for the long haul. Kind of like that last BJ you got: you said no, she said yes, and when she did you, she told you that she wins. So she may be trying to strong arm you into falling for her. So I would just keep mentioning, in a nice and respectful kind of way, that you are not interested in commitments. And of course, make sure you keep paying her. Heck, the money you save on laundry might make the whole thing worthwhile.With all due respect to Kumbu and Wolven, you need to assess your own situation.
For example, are you single yourself and actually, subconsciously, looking for a partner? If so, then it looks like you might have struck gold.
OTOH, if you cannot be serious with her or you are adamant about staying single, then you are playing with her emotions if you lead her on and if she really is as "nice" as you say then you are going to kick her in the teeth (in a manner of speaking) when you disappear. Your post and your questions shows that you're a decent guy so you need to think this through carefully.
There will be guys on the board who will advise you to exploit her as much as you can and then run away. I am not one of those guys, and I suspect you're not either.
Keep us posted.
With all due respect, I have a short question for EihTooms; why are you still hanging out in BKK? You paint a very dismal picture of this still amazing city full of sexy fun girls. If things where as bad for me in BKK as they seem to be for you vis-a-vis Thai working girls, I would be out of here and partying it up in Manila, AC, Jakarta, Phnom, or SA before I could say poon tang and I would never look back. Yet you are still here. WHY?Natty, I live in Bangkok / Thailand because it is a great place to live relatively cheaply; very comfortable, better than most infrastructure, tons of fine food options, remarkably pleasant year 'round weather, friendly people, beautiful women, and I am getting well laid and blown more often by more lovely young girls than most other times in my life, more often than any other man of my age (or younger, for that matter) that I know.
Where are you getting the "very dismal" bit? Because I think my and perhaps others' chances of getting well laid and blown from a hot go-go dancer is logically greater than by a by-the-numbers massage shop girl? That is an odd conclusion, I must say.
However, frankly, if my sexual encounters in Thailand were as non real GFE, non real PSE, and as expensive (re Lady Drinks, some soapy massage rates, escort services, for example) as I have read in reports from many on these kinds of sites, I probably would seriously consider moving to a better place for my retirement.
Member #4535
07-02-16, 07:14
you need to assess your own situation.You guys have confused me further more.
I agree with you I need to assess the situation myself, but I need help, hence the post here.
I am single now after a long emotionally (and financially) draining relationship. With my past experience, I have kinda decided, that long term relationships are not for me.
I am the last person who would want to exploit anyone off anything. One reason why I prefer to monger in LOS (where girls are in it on their own free will) as against India (where a majority are pushed into the trade and exploited).
Now, I have given this gal enough hints, tried paying for her (I now realize that she has made sure that I have not spent a single penny on her except the condo, which was booked double anyway). Tried slipping a few 1000 baht in her wallet before she left, but when I came back after dropping her found the money back in my bag. So yeah, can't figure this one out.
What's bothering me is that even though she is not my GF, the uncomfortable feeling I have is exactly why I want to be away from relationships!
I have told her I'm not a one woman guy and "butterfly man", she just says. OK. Wants to meet up every week. I'm hoping it's just a sex thing for her, but from my past experience with women, I'm sure I am wrong.
I moved to BKK for the great P4 P scene and because you could live a 5 star life on a 3 star budget. Both are no longer reasons to move here. I stay for other reasons now and I imagine Elh does as well. Some of us have developed friendships, relationships, etc. Hell, this is home now. I think if you lived here you view of BKK would change rather quickly.
Goatscrot, I believe in many ways the definition of what passes for a "5 star life" in Bangkok vs what I recall about it 15-20 years ago has greatly improved. I might even go so far as to say most increases in P4 P costs beyond ordinary cost of living increases are justified because of those improvements. In fact, I didn't even like Bangkok all that much when I was taking multiple annual vacations here 15-20 years ago. I landed at the airport, maybe spent one night here and high tailed it to Pattaya ASAP. But today I love it. 15-20 years ago traffic was impossible, there was no useful BTS or MRT, laws had not been passed to require autos, buses, trucks and motorbikes to emit less poisonous exhaust and generate far less deafening engine noise. If anything, aside from the P4 P scene, I found the place excruciatingly boring after a night or two. Restaurants that served good western breakfasts or anything other than Thai food were few and far between.
Also, I don't honestly recall my experiences with the P4 P girls being all that much better either as long as I recognize their game today is to play at the abysmally low demand modern customer levels and, consequently, I make sure they understand upfront that I won't be accepting something that meager.
Bangkok is now a wonderful, modern, easily managed, ridiculously comfortable and accommodating major, world class City. I am not surprised P4 P girls available in such a luxurious upscale city would ask for or expect (even taking inflation into account) more than they did when the place was, imo, barely tolerable. As one would expect to pay more in Manhattan than in Wichita.
The place is just better overall. And that costs more. However, one can still find areas in and around Bangkok to live, eat and exist very similar to the way retirees did 15-20 years ago. If you want. Although I don't know why anyone would want to. You could find a small studio apartment with spotty aircon, no internet, miles from the nearest BTS or MRT station, very few if any western style restaurants, maybe no mega-mall or movie theater complex within practical reach and cover all of it for less than, oh, $800-$900 USD per month. Factoring in inflation, that might even be a bit cheaper than you could pull it off 15-20 years ago. You might even find a bar or two nearby where some truly lovely, even beautiful young ladies are willing to treat you to the same quality of sexual pleasure you enjoyed back in the old days for less than 1,000 baht per. But in that neighborhood you aren't going to get the best of the goodies that modern Bangkok has to offer today.
I'm not trying to dismiss your criticisms of Bangkok and the P4 P scene today vs yesteryear. I agree with many of them. I'm just pointing out that one really and truly could replicate pretty much the same lifestyle limitations presented by Bangkok 15-20 years ago, when it was cheaper, and pay those kinds of prices, inflation-adjusted, all over again to have them. If you wanted. But me? I don't want to! lol. So I pay more and live, eat and play where it is many, many times more fun, interesting and comfortable than I could enjoy anywhere in the city 15-20 years ago.
Wolvenvacht
07-02-16, 09:04
With all due respect to Kumbu and Wolven, you need to assess your own situation.
For example, are you single yourself and actually, subconsciously, looking for a partner? If so, then it looks like you might have struck gold.
OTOH, if you cannot be serious with her or you are adamant about staying single, then you are playing with her emotions if you lead her on and if she really is as "nice" as you say then you are going to kick her in the teeth (in a manner of speaking) when you disappear. Your post and your questions shows that you're a decent guy so you need to think this through carefully.
There will be guys on the board who will advise you to exploit her as much as you can and then run away. I am not one of those guys, and I suspect you're not either.
Keep us posted.Perhaps I did not express myself clearly. Honesty is of course a given. Never lead her on and hide your real intentions. If you confess to her to be somewhat of a "butterfly" and have no intentions of really committing yourself, then it is up to her to continue or not. But that you alrready made clear in your posting.
If you enjoy the extras a real GF can provide you, there is no reason to worry. Just make sure your conscience remains clear.
Franciscass
07-02-16, 09:12
So stay thirsty friends. In the immortal words of Sting, "When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around."This post is a truly great read, wide ranging, positive, informative, full of generosity and hugely entertaining. Appreciation of anything in life is a state of mind and Natty seems to have found the secret of living in the moment. I also try to but the ageing process keeps getting in the way, fortunately not so that I don't still enjoy the unexpected highs that keep popping up when least expected and these in my opinion are just as likely to happen here in Bangkok in 2016 as they were in 2000.
Goatscrot, I believe in many ways the definition of what passes for a "5 star life" in Bangkok vs what I recall about it 15-20 years ago has greatly improved. I might even go so far as to say most increases in P4 P costs beyond ordinary cost of living increases are justified because of those improvements. In fact, I didn't even like Bangkok all that much when I was taking multiple annual vacations here 15-20 years ago. I landed at the airport, maybe spent one night here and high tailed it to Pattaya ASAP. But today I love it. 15-20 years ago traffic was impossible, there was no useful BTS or MRT, laws had not been passed to require autos, buses, trucks and motorbikes to emit less poisonous exhaust and generate far less deafening engine noise. If anything, aside from the P4 P scene, I found the place excruciatingly boring after a night or two. Restaurants that served good western breakfasts or anything other than Thai food were few and far between.
Also, I don't honestly recall my experiences with the P4 P girls being all that much better either as long as I recognize their game today is to play at the abysmally low demand modern customer levels and, consequently, I make sure they understand upfront that I won't be accepting something that meager.
Bangkok is now a wonderful, modern, easily managed, ridiculously comfortable and accommodating major, world class City. I am not surprised P4 P girls available in such a luxurious upscale city would ask for or expect (even taking inflation into account) more than they did when the place was, imo, barely tolerable. As one would expect to pay more in Manhattan than in Wichita.
The place is just better overall. And that costs more. However, one can still find areas in and around Bangkok to live, eat and exist very similar to the way retirees did 15-20 years ago. If you want. Although I don't know why anyone would want to. You could find a small studio apartment with spotty aircon, no internet, miles from the nearest BTS or MRT station, very few if any western style restaurants, maybe no mega-mall or movie theater complex within practical reach and cover all of it for less than, oh, $800-$900 USD per month. Factoring in inflation, that might even be a bit cheaper than you could pull it off 15-20 years ago. You might even find a bar or two nearby where some truly lovely, even beautiful young ladies are willing to treat you to the same quality of sexual pleasure you enjoyed back in the old days for less than 1,000 baht per. But in that neighborhood you aren't going to get the best of the goodies that modern Bangkok has to offer today.
I'm not trying to dismiss your criticisms of Bangkok and the P4 P scene today vs yesteryear. I agree with many of them. I'm just pointing out that one really and truly could replicate pretty much the same lifestyle limitations presented by Bangkok 15-20 years ago, when it was cheaper, and pay those kinds of prices, inflation-adjusted, all over again to have them. If you wanted. But me? I don't want to! lol. So I pay more and live, eat and play where it is many, many times more fun, interesting and comfortable than I could enjoy anywhere in the city 15-20 years ago.30 k got you a palace in '00. I mean a palace. Great view, 2 bdr 2 bath.
I used to have all the hotel discount cards and could eat at the JW Marriot buffet for the equivalent of 12.50 USD. Using the discount card at the Sheraton you could indulge in one of their wine dinner for about 50 USD.
Western restaurants were fewer, but there were some very high quality place. LE Banyan springs to mind. It was on Suk Soi 8 and during the low season they would offer a three course meal for 1 k baht. Bruno the gruff French chef would come out and tell you what he had that day and you would choose your menu. Each course was enough to make a meal and the food quality was 5 star. They were famous for having the only duck press in BKK. And the durian or chocolate soufflés were to die for. And yes, you could have one of those on the set. We were never charged corkage and a bottle of calvados was on the table at the end for us to enjoy gratis. And again; all for 25 USD.
Now places like these will cost you well in excess of 100 USD. This is what I mean by a 5 star lifestyle on a 3 star budget.
Yes, there are more places to go in BKK, but the only thing I would not readily give up are some of the great coffee shops we have now. The rest I can honestly do without. I miss the slightly grungy edgy BKK.
Perhaps I did not express myself clearly. Honesty is of course a given. Never lead her on and hide your real intentions. If you confess to her to be somewhat of a "butterfly" and have no intentions of really committing yourself, then it is up to her to continue or not. But that you alrready made clear in your posting.
If you enjoy the extras a real GF can provide you, there is no reason to worry. Just make sure your conscience remains clear.Thanks for clarifying your point of view W.
I agree with you, especially about the conscience remaining clear.
Unfortunately, almost every day I read posts on ISG from guys who have no conscience whatsoever and this is reinforced by some of the stories I hear from women which results in them becoming very distrustful and even bitter towards well-meaning guys.
Member #4591
07-02-16, 13:52
Good folks on ISG.
Have been a long time lurker at the BKK forum, learning from your collective wisdom all the time. Just finished by 8th visit here and this time something happened, that I thought needs to be shared and maybe seek your collective advice / thoughts on.
My regular modus operandi before I get to Thailand is to chat up a few FL's on TF, Skout, Tinder, etc because I'm not a fan of the hardcore go-go bar scene. An occasional soapy, or massage experience is OK, but mainly I crave the GFE of a semi. Pro.
This strategy has served me well in the past. It has been well documented as well by a few of you. I like the relative uncertainty of meeting a gal this way and seeing how it plays out. Yeah sure, it has not always been happy sailing (one time I ended up at the police station, but that's story best forgotten). I have always been careful of not getting that emotional shit carry on beyond our first meeting. I make sure to pay her some amount, which makes sure to her that I'm not in it for the long haul.
So generally the kind of girls who meet up are either young and stupid, looking to buy the next iPhone or the Chanel dress, or 30+ milfs with mouths to feed, but face to save (typical Thai culture) and so go the semi pro route. This time though, was chatting up a working gal, works a pretty decent job, super cute, rocking hot bod, no kids, no commitments. That was a first for me, so I was kinda interested. I did make my intentions clear that I'm not in it for the long haul. She still insisted that we meet.
Picked her up from the BTS, back to my hotel room was a short 10 min walk. This chick went to work on me like there was no tomorrow. First night we did it 3 times. Next day she insisted we go to the kings palace. Paid for the taxi herself, paid for the food herself, even upon me insisting that I should pay. Back to the room and went to work again.
To cut a long story short, I've never had a romp like this, even during my college days, and that's saying a lot. Next morning, I was spent dry and sore. And she insisted on one last one. I told her, that's not happening, I might have to go to the hospital. Well, you know what happens when a Thai gal gets an idea in her head, she is unstoppable. Guess what, we did it one more time, and she taking me in her mouth, looking up and saying, "I win". Damn.
She then proceeded to launder all clothes, and iron them. I kept telling her, don't do stuff for me, but she wouldn't take no for an answer. I also made it pretty clear to her that I'm not in it for the long haul, she didn't seem to mind.
Now, I'm not handsome, not really rich, not young (35, she is 28 and cute as a button) and Indian (keeping it real here, Thai girls are not known to fall head over heels with Indians).
This has left me totally confused, never before have I been with a Thai girl (who is clearly not an FL, because I dropped her to her workplace the next day) who has acted in this way. Not sure if I should meet her again or even talk to her online.I think her picture answers your question for me. Anyways one mans trash is another mans treasure. Glad you had a good time.
This has left me totally confused, never before have I been with a Thai girl (who is clearly not an FL, because I dropped her to her workplace the next day) who has acted in this way. Not sure if I should meet her again or even talk to her online.Marry her. LOL.
You guys have confused me further more.
*snip*. So yeah, can't figure this one out. What's bothering me is that even though she is not my GF, the uncomfortable feeling I have is exactly why I want to be away from relationships!
I have told her I'm not a one woman guy and "butterfly man", she just says. OK. Wants to meet up every week. I'm hoping it's just a sex thing for her, but from my past experience with women, I'm sure I am wrong.Raju, go spend a month in Bali or the Philippines or a monastery.
My #1 & #2 girls were from Makati. #3 was Jakarta. My #4, #5, #6 was BKK. #7, #8 were Macau. #9 was Jakarta. #10, #11,  was BKK. So while my BKK girls did not take home the Gold or Silver this year, they still did very well and made me very happy happy. The competition this year was very stiff. Let me be specific:I love this list of the best bar fines. How do you do it? LOL.
Natty glides, he has the fun loving disposition and he has tons of experience. He does well in places like Crazy House where nothing bothers him and he focuses on the ladies w / the beautiful faces, bodies, and (most importantly) heart. Deep pockets help a lot too I suppose.
I am not that much different in that I have high expectations but I look at just plain stunners and the not the GND type that Natty thrives w /. I don't have deep pocket either and I'm getting older which self cancels any stunners bar fining w / me. I find the Crazy House a rip off bar and I don't want it to be that but in my experience it is. I must have an invisible sucker sign over my head when I walk in there. My last few visits there were all very disappointing, again, all I want to do is be both be entertained and entertain my the next beauty sitting besides me. I have picked the wrong ladies on all my last visits.
They smile, sit by me, a minute later the LD arrives, the beauty gulps it down in one motion, then promptly gets right up, says I have to go dance now. Exactly like that, the process takes 3 minutes. I find it really strange. I blame it on the bar management. The women are taught to be sharks in there, plain and simple.
I went to a few other bars on SC, Tilac (not bad), no BF, The Doll House, they were full of rules, barfine plus 2/3 LDs, 2 hour time limit on BFs, clock starts upon leaving bar, each rule was pointed out after you agreed to the previous rule. A really frustrating process, 1000 b? Okay, Now you buy 3 LDs. What now? I have to buy 3 LDs? Then they tell you there's a 2 hour time limit. What? A 2 hour time limit?
So w / this barfine I started running out of time and didn't finish. My next bar was Bacarras, I visited the place twice. The dancers were of Crazy House quality, many smiling at me and whomever. I thought wow, I'm not used to this, maybe all will barfine w / me. I leave and return another night. There is a very pretty dancer falling all over herself to wave at me, smiling and giggling etc.
I sit her down and I tell her I like GFE, kissing etc and she is nodding and all good. We go for drinks at Country Roads and end up in the room and she can't provide GFE. Horrible service, after 5 minutes I stop it and she's on her way w / nothing, 100 b for taxi.
She says when she's leaving that Asian men are happy w / her service and that I'm no good. Okay I say, bye bye.
Then there is the Thermae. I love the concept and I love the place but it is full of hot young women that are only interested in Asian mongers. I mean some real stunning women but all I can do is look at them while they twist their bodies and heads away from my gaze. I will walk the gauntlet and there will be a few MILFs that are dying for my time and dough but the ones I'm interested in would rather I'm not there.
So right now I'm not a big BKK fan. I actually enjoy Patpong more than Nana or SC and have found some good times there. In general I say it's a sellers market in Thailand and I'm a buyer, an older buyer which doesn't help my cause. I think I look fit enough, and have plenty of charm and positive energy but when things go wrong I do change in demeanor. This is my only short coming besides my age. I wish I could glide like my buddy Natty but so far I don't handle adversity well. Sometimes the ladies can sense I'm not in a good mood and stay clear of me, that I can understand.
So as time goes on and I can spend more time abroad away from my screwed up hometown I hope to learn how better to operate under BKK's sellers market and make better choices in the gogos there and in Pattaya.
My mongering style is to find a hot dancer and than go out and bar hop, live it up a bit and then to the room. I think my style fits the PI better than it does BKK or Pattaya. I like to make the rules and not have them made by the gogo lady.
I had zero problems in the Philippines last trip and that's where I'll be going on my next trip and skip the sellers market all together.
Tomorrow I am heading to El Salvador for a week. A totally different scene.
I am a photo nut. If you're going to Thailand you won't get many pics like this.
A super spinner from the PI. No f-ing rules only trust and a killer f-ing body w / full on tit.
A little over the hill but I'll take the trade off.
I forgot that the topic was comparing Thailand from 15 years ago to now. Seems I am always a bit lost when it comes to posting here and once I hit upload I have no way to edit my post.
My first time in BKK was 2009 and the atmosphere seemed the same as today. Monger areas bustling w / business and the hookers being very cautious about every little thing.
On your first trip it is very surreal, you can't believe your eyes. In the back of your mind your waiting for the alarm clock to go off and wake up from this wonderful dream.
I think if I lived there I would have some access to the very best BKK has to offer, through patience, charm and $$.
But as a tourist I have a different mind set and I do get impatient, unfortunately for me.
Someday.
With all due respect to Kumbu and Wolven, you need to assess your own situation.
For example, are you single yourself and actually, subconsciously, looking for a partner? If so, then it looks like you might have struck gold.
OTOH, if you cannot be serious with her or you are adamant about staying single, then you are playing with her emotions if you lead her on and if she really is as "nice" as you say then you are going to kick her in the teeth (in a manner of speaking) when you disappear. Your post and your questions shows that you're a decent guy so you need to think this through carefully.
There will be guys on the board who will advise you to exploit her as much as you can and then run away. I am not one of those guys, and I suspect you're not either.
Keep us posted.Let me also say that in no way was I suggesting that the girl be lead on. It seemed that Raju was not interested in a long term relationship, and my advice was to stick to that meme. In other words, honesty, but honesty done in a respectful way. No need to kick her to the curb or anything. I could not agree with you more that there is no call for playing with her emotions and exploiting her.
I forgot that the topic was comparing Thailand from 15 years ago to now. Seems I am always a bit lost when it comes to posting here and once I hit upload I have no way to edit my post.
My first time in BKK was 2009 and the atmosphere seemed the same as today. Monger areas bustling w / business and the hookers being very cautious about every little thing.
On your first trip it is very surreal, you can't believe your eyes. In the back of your mind your waiting for the alarm clock to go off and wake up from this wonderful dream.
I think if I lived there I would have some access to the very best BKK has to offer, through patience, charm and $$.
But as a tourist I have a different mind set and I do get impatient, unfortunately for me.
Someday.I believe lot has changed from first time I was there in 2005. Of course first noticeable difference is dollar to baht. Used to be 1 to 40 but now 1 to 30. Every time I visit I feel that the girls are more business minded and there is no real connection. Of course time to time there is girl that connects well with you but the ratio has dropped so much. But all in all anybody who visits the Bangkok first time is going to have same feeling like when I was there in 2005. But I do miss old days.
I forgot that the topic was comparing Thailand from 15 years ago to now. Seems I am always a bit lost when it comes to posting here and once I hit upload I have no way to edit my post.
My first time in BKK was 2009 and the atmosphere seemed the same as today. Monger areas bustling w / business and the hookers being very cautious about every little thing.
On your first trip it is very surreal, you can't believe your eyes. In the back of your mind your waiting for the alarm clock to go off and wake up from this wonderful dream.
I think if I lived there I would have some access to the very best BKK has to offer, through patience, charm and $$.
But as a tourist I have a different mind set and I do get impatient, unfortunately for me.
Someday.I also feel that a lot has changed. The first noticeable change is dollar to baht was 1 to 40 rather than 1 to 30. My first visit was in 2005 and since than from now I feel like girls are more systematic. It is now mostly about business to them and although it was same in 2005, it was not obvious to kill the mood. Sometimes you can find the one that connects but the ratio has dropped lot. All in all I believe for first timer that visit is going to feel same excitement as I did when I visited BKK in 2005. I do miss the old days.
Damn just saw that my post went through and I wrote same content twice. My internet dropped during the submit but hey it went in.
I also feel that a lot has changed. The first noticeable change is dollar to baht was 1 to 40 rather than 1 to 30. My first visit was in 2005 and since than from now I feel like girls are more systematic. It is now mostly about business to them and although it was same in 2005, it was not obvious to kill the mood. Sometimes you can find the one that connects but the ratio has dropped lot. All in all I believe for first timer that visit is going to feel same excitement as I did when I visited BKK in 2005. I do miss the old days.Currency exchange perspective really depends on your timing. Right now we are bang in the middle of your range at 35, and calendar 2016 is lining up to be the highest monthly average USD / THB year since 2007:
http://www.x-rates.com/average/?from=USD&to=THB&amount=1&year=2016
SL.
Banana Boi
07-04-16, 13:53
A lot of discussion about Thailand going downhill in looks over the past 15 years. Obviously I wasn't around 15 years ago but I can't imagine if I took the top 5 girls out of Thermae or Baccara it would be A LOT different optically (keep in mind I prefer the post surgery noses and girls making themselves to look Caucasian). We all have our old favorites from years gone by no matter where we hobbied giving us a false sense that it used to be better.
Could the decline in optics for some be for other factors like for guys who were here 15 years ago they are now 15 years older and unable to get the hottest girls either due to being older in age or because Farangs are not the "in" thing any more? Could it be because girls at places like Thermae and gogo clubs like Baccara would select a Japanese (or Asian) guy over a Caucasian guy?
I was at Thermae this weekend and it's clear as day there is a preference to Japanese/Korean over Caucasian men. I watched an East Indian guy walk around trying to make contact with some girls and any of the hot young ones would turn their heads but some of the older ones would still talk to him. Also, the decent looking 25 year old Japanese guy would attract much more attention than a 50+ year old Japanese man.
Blanquiceleste
07-04-16, 16:45
So stay thirsty friends. In the immortal words of Sting, "When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around."The master is back! What a post. Love it, and every word said here is true. No place has got better compared to 15 years ago. So living in the present and making the most of it seems the only way to go.
A lot of discussion about Thailand going downhill in looks over the past 15 years. Obviously I wasn't around 15 years ago but I can't imagine if I took the top 5 girls out of Thermae or Baccara it would be A LOT different optically (keep in mind I prefer the post surgery noses and girls making themselves to look Caucasian). We all have our old favorites from years gone by no matter where we hobbied giving us a false sense that it used to be better.
Could the decline in optics for some be for other factors like for guys who were here 15 years ago they are now 15 years older and unable to get the hottest girls either due to being older in age or because Farangs are not the "in" thing any more? Could it be because girls at places like Thermae and gogo clubs like Baccara would select a Japanese (or Asian) guy over a Caucasian guy?
I was at Thermae this weekend and it's clear as day there is a preference to Japanese/Korean over Caucasian men. I watched an East Indian guy walk around trying to make contact with some girls and any of the hot young ones would turn their heads but some of the older ones would still talk to him. Also, the decent looking 25 year old Japanese guy would attract much more attention than a 50+ year old Japanese man.Actually one of the things that attracted me most was that the 50 plus dudes seemed to have the hottest gals back in the day. That is no longer the case.
Actually one of the things that attracted me most was that the 50 plus dudes seemed to have the hottest gals back in the day. That is no longer the case.There were far more hot girls back then. The working girls are bigger and far less attractive now. In the 90's not every go go girl was a beauty but it was easy to find 4-5 hot girls in every go go. That's just not the case now. There is an even larger decline in the appearance of the soapy girls. All of the girls had fewer opportunities to work elsewhere years ago.
To me the biggest difference from then to now is that old guys can't go in and easily get the hottest girl in the club. That was not the case 15-20 years ago. Being a white westerner was a huge advantage much like being Korean or Japanese is today. We used to select the girl but now the girl selects us to some extent.
Yes things have declined dramatically but LOS is still my favorite place to visit.
There were far more hot girls back then. The working girls are bigger and far less attractive now. In the 90's not every go go girl was a beauty but it was easy to find 4-5 hot girls in every go go. That's just not the case now. There is an even larger decline in the appearance of the soapy girls. All of the girls had fewer opportunities to work elsewhere years ago.
To me the biggest difference from then to now is that old guys can't go in and easily get the hottest girl in the club. That was not the case 15-20 years ago. Being a white westerner was a huge advantage much like being Korean or Japanese is today. We used to select the girl but now the girl selects us to some extent.
Yes things have declined dramatically but LOS is still my favorite place to visit.I think the Soapies have declined the most badly. The prevalence of fake noses and fake tits is a major problem and the fat tummies on young girls.
In old days I could always find hot girls at Chao Praya 2 and hardly had to go else where. This place declined badly and so did a few others, ever since Thaksin came to power really, or the preceding economic downturn, and then followed a crack down on youth and foreign workers.
I am not sure I agree about missing out on hot girls. I can still get the hottest girl to my taste in many places despite my age. Not in the disco sure, but in a bar, still possible if the girl does not have a customer already. We have to make ourselves seem like a Prince among the Frogs. Easy to do in some places like Crazy House. LOL.
Just clean, nice manners, okay Appearance, having fun without stress, not too stingy, usually works out.
With the hottest girls, you cannot sit back and wait for them to come to you. I believe in taking fast action, before opportunity disappears. I have never missed out on the hottest girls at Crazy House, I mean I may have missed when they had a customer already, which could be a very common problem, but always got to them in the long run.
Make sure the girl wants to select us. We have influence, by behaving right. O.K. I have to admit I still have hair, and large belly has gone now, 13 Kgs. lost from my top weight. So I am probably looking quite good for my age, by no means handsome at all. Just quite acceptable, and maintaining a good reputation so I don't get bad-mouthed (or black-balled as the saying goes).
Sometimes we get lucky. Once I got this stunner Nat at CH. May have been a bit young. Tits already CCup but still growing. It seems she was happy to be barfined immediately. Turns out after the short time, she had plans to go with girlfriend to a birthday party in Pattaya. So she would not have done LT. However she was excellent on the bed, for the short time booking at nearby ST Hotel. Possibly needed the money to spend too. LOL Quit CH a not long after to go work at a Thai Coyote club most likely.
I just try to be well known to the hottest girls so that they always have me on their list as a good option, if not their favourite.
Natty Bumpo should be my brother. LOL I almost always agree with him, although perhaps I am less happy with the Soapy line ups these days. No GNDs for me. Very pretty or forget it. Natty may be a bit less fussy I suspect, or O.K. with nose Ops.
I do take one girl with a nose Op, but she has an exceptionally good one. So its not quite a rule with me. I can take exceptionally good sillies as well, or even average ones, if she is stunning. LOL I do compromise a bit. I take a mix. I have some girls with exceptionally beautiful natural large tits too.
I am away, but miss several girls badly. LOL. Even one or two I mean to try, but not done yet. Things are not so bad.
There were far more hot girls back then. The working girls are bigger and far less attractive now. In the 90's not every go go girl was a beauty but it was easy to find 4-5 hot girls in every go go. That's just not the case now. There is an even larger decline in the appearance of the soapy girls. All of the girls had fewer opportunities to work elsewhere years ago.
To me the biggest difference from then to now is that old guys can't go in and easily get the hottest girl in the club. That was not the case 15-20 years ago. Being a white westerner was a huge advantage much like being Korean or Japanese is today. We used to select the girl but now the girl selects us to some extent.
Yes things have declined dramatically but LOS is still my favorite place to visit.Spot on. There were just a lot more gals out there to choose from. And the old guys seemed to get the best ones. I was a 34 year old pup in '99 and was often amazed at the gals the old dudes were pulling. Now it is hard even at 50 and I am in great shape! Being a white dude was a big bonus back then. No more.
Arn Poddict
07-05-16, 15:19
I am a photo nut. If you're going to Thailand you won't get many pics like this.
A super spinner from the PI. No f-ing rules only trust and a killer f-ing body w / full on tit.
A little over the hill but I'll take the trade off.Photos are the most interesting feature of this forum to me. They give me an idea what kind of prey is out there in different countries. Makes life more exciting.
Christian G
07-05-16, 18:19
A lot of discussion about Thailand going downhill in looks over the past 15 years. Obviously I wasn't around 15 years ago but I can't imagine if I took the top 5 girls out of Thermae or Baccara it would be A LOT different optically (keep in mind I prefer the post surgery noses and girls making themselves to look Caucasian). We all have our old favorites from years gone by no matter where we hobbied giving us a false sense that it used to be better..I wasnt around 15 years ago too, but 10 years ago I was around, and the problem IMO is not about beauty (but also many more fatties around nowadays) but is about behaviors and attitudes, every years I come back and every years I found more difficult to find a good full service.
Photos are the most interesting feature of this forum to me. They give me an idea what kind of prey is out there in different countries. Makes life more exciting.Photos are the proof that no one can deny. Yes, I'm w / you I love to look at them and I love to have their pics in my library so the time I spent w / them comes to the surface. I remember each one fondly or remember that they put one over on me, both important for me. This hobby never gets old or boring.
I will say that your photo here is nothing short of stupendous. What a wonderful body to handle and get personal with. I hope you enjoyed it.
Thanks much.
Actually one of the things that attracted me most was that the 50 plus dudes seemed to have the hottest gals back in the day. That is no longer the case.I got to side with The Goat on this one. I remember my first visit in 1999. I remember a visit to one of the meetings of the NanaPlaza, or NanaPong, or whatever the hell they called themselves then. They met every Wednesday at the old Woodstock (anybody remember that?) Anyway, one older gent with the handle of Fatbastard33 came in out of the pouring rain. I remember because, although not homely he most certainly fit his handle and he was sporting this stunning dark-skinned spinner with long dark hair. I've always had the hots for small Asian women with long hair. My point is that everywhere you went older, out of shape, balding guys had some seriously attractive companionship everywhere they went, and Mr. Bastard drove home the point that evening. These days, well, not so much.
I got to side with The Goat on this one. I remember my first visit in 1999. Only 1999? That's recent history.
I go back to the late 80's and early 90's, when Thermae was the place you went if you wanted to be molested by EVERYONE inside. There was no picking and choosing then.
I related a story on this board in an earlier post about how 2 mates of mine had a competition to see who could go in, get a girl and be outside the fastest. I was timekeeper.
Both of them were in and out in less than 20 seconds (True story).
For me, working in Bkk for 6 months at the time and living out near Soi Thonglor, the places we most enjoyed were the Dead Artists' Bars on Soi 33, and Renoir was our favorite.
I used to enjoy the music in Witches Tavern too.
We rarely went near Nana. There was no need to go that far from home.
Great memories.
Member #4591
07-06-16, 08:46
I know you guys love to remember how good it was in Bangkok in the olden days. Cheap girls, cheap alcohol, celebrity status as a foreigner and so on. Move on! It will never be the same. Adapt or move to Cambodia, that would be my advice. The Thai friendly website must have been a real hard change for all of you to take back then, now you must all be screaming about the ladies and their mobile phones, What's App, We Chat, the big one Line, hell now you can even use Thai Friendly from your mobile with their App. It's very confusing and perplexing, isn't it! LoL. Next..........
Christian G
07-06-16, 09:16
Adapt or move to Cambodia, that would be my advice. Cambodia? Really? Been there few years ago and really escape back in Thailand after 3 days in Phnom Penh, really shitty place and very low standard and service for monger. Sure Cambodia don't worth the flight from Europe and not worth a tenth of Thailand IMO.
Blanquiceleste
07-06-16, 11:55
Cambodia? Really? Been there few years ago and really escape back in Thailand after 3 days in Phnom Penh, really shitty place and very low standard and service for monger. Sure Cambodia don't worth the flight from Europe and not worth a tenth of Thailand IMO.Someone recently made a comment about one man's trash being another man's treasure. Now who was that!
I know you guys love to remember how good it was in Bangkok in the olden days. Cheap girls, cheap alcohol, celebrity status as a foreigner and so on. Move on! It will never be the same. ....I can only speak for myself Dog, but none of my posts have ever wished we could go back to the so-called "good old days". I work in a profession where we are always "moving on" and I agree that there is no way we can ever go back to what it was.
However there is a lot of pleasure in some of us musing out loud what it used to be like, even if only to help the younger guys realize what a crazy place Bkk was in the 80s.
It reminds me of how my parents always used to start most conversations with "when I was your age, I had to. . . . ". Doesn't hurt to revisit the past even if you understand that we are now in the future.
No harm in reminiscing about the pleasures that we had in Thermae, Long Gun in Soi Cowboy and Soi 33. Of course everything's different today (mobile phones are the most dramatic difference) , and modern Thai women have different demands and expectations. Vive LE change.
Cambodia? Really? Been there few years ago and really escape back in Thailand after 3 days in Phnom Penh, really shitty place and very low standard and service for monger. Sure Cambodia don't worth the flight from Europe and not worth a tenth of Thailand IMO.I intend to write a proper field report but I'm in Phnom Penh now, and I could not disagree more. Quality and service are off the charts, and prices are lower than in LOS I've been here before on multiple occasions and I've usually had more time to "shop around". That said, the khymer chics are hot, hot, hot and -- from this guy's perspective -- can absolutely rock my world. Or my bed, whatever. TTG.
Asian Rain
07-06-16, 14:57
It reminds me of how my parents always used to start most conversations with "when I was your age, I had to. . . . ". Doesn't hurt to revisit the past even if you understand that we are now in the future.Maybe it doesn't hurt, but it becomes damn repetitive when every other post contains some reference about what was. Wish these guys could move on and post more often about the here-and-now. The reality is that more than 50% of the venues in the Sukhimvit area have been closed and razed due to massive gentrification and the remaining public mass-oriented scene is a rather supply constricted combination of McFuck joints (e. G. Suk24 oilies) and tourist-oriented Adult Disneyworld go-go ghettos (Nana & Cowboy). If you are going to wallow in the past, then it is going to be a bumpy ride till death.
Bkkdog makes a good point to move on. Learn some new technology, broaden your horizons and see what is out there. It might not be as easy to use as Uber, but you can find something to ride. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.
Bkkdog makes a good point to move on. Learn some new technology, broaden your horizons and see what is out there. It might not be as easy to use as Uber, but you can find something to ride. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.Fair enough AR.
I promise I will not engage in any more warm fuzzies about how it used to be.
The current Bkk is what it is, We just have to deal with it.
...I promise I will not engage in any more warm fuzzies about how it used to be.
The current Bkk is what it is, We just have to deal with it.And I hope other mongers would follow suit. I think we've had way too many posts comparing the past with the present. Time to move on, I think.
I intend to write a proper field report but I'm in Phnom Penh now, and I could not disagree more. Quality and service are off the charts, and prices are lower than in LOS I've been here before on multiple occasions and I've usually had more time to "shop around". That said, the khymer chics are hot, hot, hot and -- from this guy's perspective -- can absolutely rock my world. Or my bed, whatever. TTG.Interesting. I stopped going to Nom Penh 12 years ago when the Viets disappeared. Never been attracted to Khmer girls.
Maybe it doesn't hurt, but it becomes damn repetitive when every other post contains some reference about what was. Wish these guys could move on and post more often about the here-and-now. The reality is that more than 50% of the venues in the Sukhimvit area have been closed and razed due to massive gentrification and the remaining public mass-oriented scene is a rather supply constricted combination of McFuck joints (e. G. Suk24 oilies) and tourist-oriented Adult Disneyworld go-go ghettos (Nana & Cowboy). If you are going to wallow in the past, then it is going to be a bumpy ride till death.
Bkkdog makes a good point to move on. Learn some new technology, broaden your horizons and see what is out there. It might not be as easy to use as Uber, but you can find something to ride. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.Unfortunately for some of us "new technology" does not fit the bill due to GFs, amount of effort, etc. Yes, one can use numerous apps and such to find P4 P gals, but as many of my friends have found out; it requires quite a bit of effort, and for lack of a better term "w%remancing. " Personally I have no want to chat with P4 P gals. I like to pick them, do the deed, and head home. I am not interested in hanging out with them, meeting them for coffee, or having any of their contact information on any chat program.
You are correct, the Suk venues are dead, as are many of the other traditional areas in BKK. And that's sad for those of us who enjoyed them.
Maybe it doesn't hurt, but it becomes damn repetitive when every other post contains some reference about what was. Wish these guys could move on and post more often about the here-and-now. The constant comparing the good old days w / the current state of affairs is boring however RK's post was not that and I enjoyed reading about his experiences and the old Thermae.
I enjoyed it.
It's nice to see some of the mongering pioneers around here. Maybe we will get lucky w / some classic AR photos.
I'm in San Salvador right now. These are probably still the good old days here LOL, definitely not a walkable town at night.
The Latinas are pretty nice though, mostly casas.
Cheers guys.
The constant comparing the good old days w / the current state of affairs is boring however RK's post was not that and I enjoyed reading about his experiences and the old Thermae.
.Buddy of mine used to say "every day another girl turns 18", good thing to consider. Then his dick stopped working when he got older and completely out of shape. So enjoy what today gives you and don't live in the past.
Juniorboysan
07-08-16, 12:00
Have to agree the old Bangkok is no more. The way to go now with out a doubt is the "Lord Palace" simply the best. When you think of going to Nana or Soi Cowboy. You end up shelling out let's say at least a 1,000 baht for drinks + 600-700 bar fine + 3,000 for short time and it comes to about 4700 baht and it is still tough to find a stunner. Now go the Lords and this place is classy!! The women are spectacular price range between 3500-5,5000 for 1 1/2 hours two pops the rooms are as nice as any hotel you would say in why go to Nana or Soi maybe to have a look see but trust me try the Lords and you will end up staying at the Novotel hotel across the street. Check it out.
Traveler1234
07-08-16, 15:26
Only 1999? That's recent history.
I go back to the late 80's and early 90's, when Thermae was the place you went if you wanted to be molested by EVERYONE inside. There was no picking and choosing then.
LOL. I busted my LOS cherry back in 1978. You could get a 9/10 sideline soapie in her own private room for 2+ hrs, everything on the menu.
Peace:)
Christian G
07-08-16, 15:37
https://www.stickboybangkok.com/news/dr-bjs-shutdown-authorities/
But I don't found any other articles on the web.
Best days were 70-80's maybe a little 90's and now its crap. Less gals fewer good bars and gals with bad attitude esp from the thermal which caters for Jap market now and they won't even look at a whitey in there. Nana disco gone and that was the best ever. There is little to recommend it now.
Thermae 1 gone.
Patpong is dead and dreadful.
Nana disco gone totally.
Clinton plaza gone.
Grace hotel coffee shop gone.
Nana plaza mostly lady men.
Crumby bars at high prices.
Buckskins bar area at Soi 1 gone.
Thais got greedy and killed the bars areas and hot babes won't work the sex industry now.
Member #4698
07-08-16, 17:50
I am a satisfied customer. I like the place. It is one of my favorite bordellos.
Prices:
"R": 4800.
O: 5400.
M: 5800.
K: 6400.
Sideline girls 7000 to 10,000.
Lord Quality:
IMHO quality is high class and very good, but not many stunner stunners. I would rate the girls in the 6* to 7. 5* range with most girls at the lower end of the range at 6.3 star to 6.7. Age is mostly between 25 to 28. To me the girls look like modern Thai young women. The kind I might see shopping in EM Quartier mall or working in an office. Go Go girls look to me like young girls or uni girls at best and fuglies at worst.
Lord Service: I have always experienced excellent tailor made service along with very good attitudes whenever I visit the Lord. The rooms and facilities are top drawer.
My recent experiences:
On my last trip I took two "O" category girls on separate visits and they were both so good that I repeated with each of them again on later visits. I also took a "K" category girl but she was not as good sexually for me. We just did not click. Oh well. it happens. It was a good shag but just not a memorable one.
Final thoughts:
I don't think Lord girls, La Belle girls, and other high end soapy girls should be compared directly to Go Go girls because each particular venue be it soapy parlors, oily shops, or Go Go's offer a completely different overall experience for the customer's pleasure. The high end soapy girls for example seem to be a little older and perhaps slightly more refined (ha ha) than the Go Go girls I am usually with and the soapy girls appear to be more highly trained in the arts.
But it isn't one or the other for me because its all about variety so long as the quality remains high. So some nights I feel like a Go Go girl and other nights I feel like a soapy and some afternoons I feel like an oily. That's one of the major advantages of BKK over so many other destinations.
Gannaton48
07-08-16, 19:58
I am a satisfied customer. I like the place. It is one of my favorite bordellos.
Prices:
"R": 4800.
O: 5400.
M: 5800.
K: 6400.
Sideline girls 7000 to 10,000.
Lord Quality:
IMHO quality is high class and very good, but not many stunner stunners. I would rate the girls in the 6* to 7. 5* range with most girls at the lower end of the range at 6.3 star to 6.7. Age is mostly between 25 to 28. To me the girls look like modern Thai young women. The kind I might see shopping in EM Quartier mall or working in an office. Go Go girls look to me like young girls or uni girls at best and fuglies at worst.
Lord Service: I have always experienced excellent tailor made service along with very good attitudes whenever I visit the Lord. The rooms and facilities are top drawer.
My recent experiences:
On my last trip I took two "O" category girls on separate visits and they were both so good that I repeated with each of them again on later visits. I also took a "K" category girl but she was not as good sexually for me. We just did not click. Oh well. it happens. It was a good shag but just not a memorable one.
Final thoughts:
I don't think Lord girls, La Belle girls, and other high end soapy girls should be compared directly to Go Go girls because each particular venue be it soapy parlors, oily shops, or Go Go's offer a completely different overall experience for the customer's pleasure. The high end soapy girls for example seem to be a little older and perhaps slightly more refined (ha ha) than the Go Go girls I am usually with and the soapy girls appear to be more highly trained in the arts.
But it isn't one or the other for me because its all about variety so long as the quality remains high. So some nights I feel like a Go Go girl and other nights I feel like a soapy and some afternoons I feel like an oily. That's one of the major advantages of BKK over so many other destinations.Finally a FR! Highly welcome for me since I will be in BKK within 1 week. Last time I thought going to Lord but did'nt (went too early, not many girls and not worth the price at this precise moment in terms of beauty). I will go there again. Question to you: are the girls giving BBBJ (expected for that price! And do they eventually make CIM? Thanks!
Arn Poddict
07-08-16, 19:59
Photos are the proof that no one can deny. Yes, I'm w / you I love to look at them and I love to have their pics in my library so the time I spent w / them comes to the surface. I remember each one fondly or remember that they put one over on me, both important for me. This hobby never gets old or boring.
I will say that your photo here is nothing short of stupendous. What a wonderful body to handle and get personal with. I hope you enjoyed it.
Thanks much.Thanks for the plaudits Socker. Yes photos are undisputed proof of the girls, a picture is worth a thousand words. I also like to watch my photos and remember the times I have spent with these lovely young Thai girls. I truly enjoyed this one.
I heard that the lord now has a falang surchange of 500 baht. I also find the girls are as the other reviwer said, 6-7's in looks. I would at least expect a few 9's and many 8's for that price. As such, just because they don't have stunners this year, I haven't been going back.
Member #4698
07-08-16, 22:32
Last time I thought going to Lord but did'nt (went too early, not many girls and not worth the price at this precise moment in terms of beauty). I will go there again. Question to you: are the girls giving BBBJ (expected for that price! And do they eventually make CIM? Thanks!Gannaton, I have never not had BBBJ from a Lord girl. Read my recent post below and then I will elaborate:
The Lord. I took 3 girls from the Lord. 2 or the 3 were stellar IMHO. They were my #5 & #7 girls of the trip. I repeated with both of them twice. The 3rd Lord girl was good looking, but we had no real chemistry and so the session was ok, but not memorable.
Lord Girl #1 - sexy, pretty. 25. She gave me really good white glove service. I remember laying back in the hot tub drinking Heineken on the rocks while she blew me. Face 6. 9. Body 7. 2. Service and Attitude - 8. 5.
Lord Girl #2 - high class looking and well coiffed. I love this girl! She gave me the best blow job of the trip. No I take that back, She gave me 4 of the best BJ's of this trip in one session no less, including the last BJ where she pulled me up from where I was kneeling around her ass eating her out and rimming her. She pulled me up from there so my knees were straddling her face and then she blew me that 4th time. I have been visiting BKK for a long time, but I can't recall ever sitting on a Thai girls's face before. What a great session this was. Face 7. Body 6. 5 (She had silly cones which I failed to detect while she was sitting in the fishbowl. She said she hated them) Attitude and Service 9 - one of my best girls of the trip - #5 to be exact. Very memorable.March 5 - Day 11 - Lord Girl #1 More Detail:
Mamasan Tui (Susan) came up and greeted me as I entered the large ornate lounge / reception area. I looked over the girls sitting on the large circular couch in the middle of the room and saw a very pretty girl right in front that I liked the look of. I asked Tui about the prices and she wrote them down on a card.
I pointed out the pretty girl I liked and Tui said she was an "O" category girl or 5400 bt. I said I wanted her and Ae who had noticed us smiled and joined us. She seemed like a very nice girl. After I paid for the session with a credit card, Ae put her arm in mine and escorted us down the hallway to our room. I asked if she wanted a drink and she smiled and said yes so I ordered two Heinekens for 500 bt total.
The room was elegant and refined, decorated in classic French style that reminded me of a room at the 5 star Peninsula Hotel BKK. Ae acted really nice and happy happy to serve as my sexual provider for the evening. We made out and engaged in some friendly light conversation while the tub filled. After a while she helped take off my pants and knelt down on the carpet to give me a BBBJ. A waitress knocked on the door and after I covered up with a towel, she entered the room with our two beers and two mugs filled with ice.
Ae poured the beer into our ice mugs and I made a toast. Then we took off our remaining clothes and adjourned to the tub. Ae cleaned me thoroughly, but gently. Then she began to body to body massage me. We made out whenever our faces came close together. Then she asked me to place my ass on her lap so my dick rose up above the water line. Ae then went to town on me and delivered a great combo BBBJ, ball suck, and titi fuck in tub along with a time out for more passionate kissing and a sip of cold beer.
By now I was really starting to like this 27 year old BKK native. I took a good look at her. She had a pretty, pretty face, round natural "be" cup breasts, a very nice no fat body, and a very cheerful, pleasing personality. Drinking Heinekens on ice in the tub with her was a lot of fun.
She insisted on drying me off with a towel before attending to herself. When we were both dried off and on the bed she started up a 2nd BBBJ. Her body was perpendicular to mine so her pussy was within easy arm' length and I began to massage her clit. After a while I asked her to straddle my head so we could 69. Her pussy was clean shaved and tasted very fresh. After 10 minutes of this I knew I couldn't take much more or else I would cum in her mouth so I pulled her off. She turned around and got on top and we began kissing and caressing each other very passionately. She asked if I wanted to boom boom and I nodded. She then reached for one of my Sagami 001's that I had placed besides the pillow and put it on my dick. Then she impaled herself and rode my dick expertly. About halfway through the shag I gently rolled her over and continued in missionary until I eventually came. Afterwards we just laid in each other's arms until rested. Then she cleaned me up back in the tub.
I asked Ae if I could take some photos and at first she said no because she said the Lord management forbid it, but I put my finger to my mouth and said we would not tell anyone. She still seemed shy and reticent about it so I said ok and put my camera away. Then Ae changed her mind and said a little picture ok so I took my camera out again and shot a few harmless but nice photos of her on the bed. Then I showed her the pics and she said she did not like the the bed in the picture and asked me to delete it. I deleted the worst exposure shot, but secretly kept the others. Next I posed her against the wall and took a few more shots. Ae liked these shots a lot so everybody was happy happy. The phone rang indicating our time was up. I asked her for her line ID, but she told me she did not have a smart phone. But she gave me her cell number and I told her I would call her. And I would have called her too because I really like this one, but instead of calling I made a surprise visit to see her a few nights later.
I tipped her 500 bt. We left the room arm in arm. She handed in her card to the front desk. Then we kissed and hugged goodbye before entering the lounge area. I stopped to thank Tui (Susan) and tell her I liked Ae a lot. I gave Tui 100 bt tip because I liked the way she greeted me. I looked over the lineup one more time before leaving. It was still very good and I saw a few more good looking elegant type girls to do in future.
Day 14: March 8 - the Lord. Ae surprise visit:
Ae had given me her cell number, but on this night I decided to go back to the Lord and surprise her. When I arrived at around 7:30 there were between 35 to 40 girls on the large circular couch (in the line up). It was a pretty good lineup, but Ae was not there. So asked Mamasan Tui (Susan) if Ae was working tonight and she went to check. Susan came back shortly to tell me that Ae was here and finishing up her makeup. She would be out 5 minutes or so. I sat down on a large comfortable easy chair and watched the human comedy of mostly Asian customers chatting with a few of girls. When Ae come out I could see that she was really surprised and happy to see me. Our 2nd session turned out even better than our first.
We did the Heineken on the rocks in the Jacuzzi thing again and repeated all the other good stuff too including BBBJ in the bath tub and an extended 69 on the bed. The foreplay seemed a little more intimate this time. The actual sex was great too and we expanded our repertoire with a reverse cowgirl and doggie at the end. Ae is a real nice girl and I like the mature (27 year old) way she looks and handles herself. Ae is a keeper. A really delightful and friendly girl who is also a great little shag. Who knew? 27 years old. I like. She finished in 6th place in my favorite girls of 2016 Academy Awards.
March 16 - Day 22 - Lord Girl #2 More Detail:
So I went to the Lord after a week away that I spent mostly pursuing Go Go girls and also seeing Mini, my long time BKK GF, a couple of times. The Lord was fast becoming my favorite soapy because it is really a 1st class outfit and the girls I had met thus far really know how to pamper their customers and treat them right sexually speaking. It is truly white glove service which never feels mechanical or structured. Mamasan Susan greeted me again as I walked into the lounge area and asked if I wanted Ae, the same girl I had twice before. I said no I wanted to try someone new this time and I began to look around at the girls. I saw Ig sitting on the island circular couch smiling at me and I instantly chose her. GOOD DECISION!. Ig was absolutely amazing looking. This post is getting kind of long so I will just sum up the experience briefly in these few words from my journal entry written the following morning:
"In the loom, she made love to my dick 4 times during the session and I almost completely forgot I was having a P4 P with her. " I swear this is true!
The highlights included making out in all kinds of positions in the jacuzzi, the 1st preliminary BBBJ on the bed, the body to body massage & 2nd BJ in the tub, watching her smoke me a 3rd time on the bed and then, the most memorable highlight, which I performed in place of a 69 was my leaning around her ass and eating her out from behind while she was on her hands and knees (this act was wild and so raunchy. I loved it), and then after Ig had her first orgasm, she turned around, placed her head on the pillow and pulled me up so my knees were now straddling her face so she could give me the 4th BJ of the night while I basically sat on her face. And of course the following boom boom was really really good as well.
Note: this session was nominated for best session of the trip along with the menage a trois nights with P and her sister G, menage a trois nights with P and BB, multiple menage a trois nights with T and S, and several bareback nights with Am over in Jakarta. On the night of the awards I decided that Ig would place 5th with honors. Anyway, Ig and I exchanged line ID's and have been in many conversations since that night. I went back see her when I returned to BKK a month later and the reunion sex was memorable. She is a really great girl. The only downside is that she has silly cones. Yeah, I know. I don't like, but hers are pretty decent and not that large. She says she hates them and they make it hard for her to sleep. I wish I had met her before the plastic surgery. I bet she had beautiful little "A"cups. But everything else is so good and I really like her so I guess I will have to put up with them since I want to see her again. Ha Ha. Ain't that Love?
Last thing: you asked if CIM was available with the Lord girls. I don't know for sure, because I am not a devotee. I am with Bill Clinton on this: I don't consider it sex if I don't cum in the vagina. 555. But I was almost at the point of completion with Ae during our 1st 69. If I had not ended the routine I would have most certainly cum in her mouth. Maybe that answers your question, maybe not. Go! You will have a great time. I highly recommend the Lord.
Member #4698
07-08-16, 22:47
I heard that the lord now has a falang surchange of 500 baht. I also find the girls are as the other reviewer said, 6-7's in looks. I would at least expect a few 9's and many 8's for that price. As such, just because they don't have stunners this year, I haven't been going back.I am a very critical grader. When I review a girl as a 7, you can bet she is damn sexy and smokin' hot. When I review a girl as a 6, she is still very very doable unless there are plenty of 7's competing with her in close proximity. 5 star girls are problematic for me. I do not like to shag 5 star girls although I have from time to time when I was horny and when there was nothing better within miles like the times I was in Barrio Barretto, Subic. LOL I sure had some good times there and the girls were great, but in all honesty, you will not find very many 6 star girls in Barretto and that is a fact. But at the same time, I am sure some guys might think my 5 star girl is a 7 or even an 8 and some guys might think my 7 is a 6 or even a 5 if only because my 7 has small tits or a tight little ass. We all have different tastes. That is one thing I have learned from hanging out in go go's as much as I have.
But a real 9 is a knock out that I think most of us would immediately acknowledge within one or two looks or one or two heart beats. I see very few real 9's floating around. I saw four of them in Macau at Rio Sauna on my last trip. They were real actress / high fashion model quality. Their price was obscene! The two Chinese super models were 3000 mop ($385) and the two Korean super models were 3500 mop ($449) respectively. But their beauty and bodies were out-fucking-standing! I am talking Qi Shu in her prime quality.
Crazy House has two 8's. They come in and out of the bar whenever they please like two chimera I have never seen them dance on the stage. They always seem to have a customer and have no need to change their clothes. Syzygies has posted on them occasionally.
Last thing: you asked if CIM was available with the Lord girls. I don't know for sure, because I am not a devotee. I am with Bill Clinton on this: I don't consider it sex if I don't cum in the vagina. 555. But I was almost at the point of completion with Ae during our 1st 69. If I had not ended the routine I would have most certainly cum in her mouth. Maybe that answers your question, maybe not. Go! You will have a great time. I highly recommend the Lord.Hi Natty, Multiple shots on goal ok at The Lord?
Best days were 70-80's maybe a little 90's and now its crap. Less gals fewer good bars and gals with bad attitude esp from the thermal which caters for Jap market now and they won't even look at a whitey in there. Nana disco gone and that was the best ever. There is little to recommend it now.
Thermae 1 gone.
Patpong is dead and dreadful.
Nana disco gone totally.
Clinton plaza gone.
Grace hotel coffee shop gone.
Nana plaza mostly lady men.
Crumby bars at high prices.
Buckskins bar area at Soi 1 gone.
Thais got greedy and killed the bars areas and hot babes won't work the sex industry now.I don't know, I am a 63 year old "whitey" and I get looked at quite a bit by many hot girls in Thermae. I have taken several to my nearby apartment for thoroughly rewarding STs over the past few months. I have done so whenever I have gone there on a mission to take a girl really. 2,500 baht is the norm for me and I ask for (and get) a level of supposedly special service that is said to be relatively uncommon, i. e. an uncovered finish of one kind or another inside the girl. Same with a couple of my other "whitey" friends.
Also, I have no problem finding hot, young, REAL female go-go dancers in Nana Plaza who provide exactly what I am looking for but, yes, it does set me back about 4,000-4,500 baht total including LDs and so on for ST. But worth it to me. I have wasted multiple times that amount over the years trying but failing to get anything worth my time and money at the so-called "PSE" massage shops around town.
Can't speak to the rest of your list since I wasn't a patron of the others, so I can't "miss" them and I haven't really partaken of the Patpong scene since they closed Mike's Place a couple of years ago, which had one of my 2-3 favorite BJ bargirls of all time working there. LOL.
MichaelSamuel
07-09-16, 04:49
Gannaton, I have never not had BBBJ from a Lord girl. Read my recent post below and then I will elaborate:
March 5 - Day 11 - Lord Girl #1 More Detail:
Mamasan Tui (Susan) came up and greeted me as I entered the large ornate lounge / reception area. I looked over the girls sitting on the large circular couch in the middle of the room and saw a very pretty girl right in front that I liked the look of. I asked Tui about the prices and she wrote them down on a card.
I pointed out the pretty girl I liked and Tui said she was an "O" category girl or 5400 bt. I said I wanted her and Ae who had noticed us smiled and joined us. She seemed like a very nice girl. After I paid for the session with a credit card, Ae put her arm in mine and escorted us down the hallway to our room. I asked if she wanted a drink and she smiled and said yes so I ordered two Heinekens for 500 bt total.
I would like to second Natty's recommendation on Lord. I am also pretty sure that Ae was the one who broke my Lord cherry last year. She was a sweet young thing. I looked for her on my 2nd visit but didn't see her, however ended up with an M girl that had a better connection with that I have seen outside now a couple times. I know from talking to my girl too that they keep a high standard of expectation for the girls, test reguarly, and treat the girls fair. Just the general attention to detail is nice, things like finding the tub already running when you get to room, sure it only saves maybe 5 minutes, but it shows the service level. Not finding a room, turning on ac, starting a tub like a suk massage place. And of course the added benefit of getting those credit card frequent flyer miles! Always makes me think I am one step closer to returning, hahaha.
Banana Boi
07-09-16, 04:53
2,500 baht is the norm for me and I ask for (and get) a level of supposedly special service that is said to be relatively uncommon, i. e. an uncovered finish of one kind or another inside the girl.Are you talking CIM or BBFS / BB anal?
I have found a few girls who say they have no condoms. Is this normal? Are they hinting they are willing to do it BB?
https://www.stickboybangkok.com/news/dr-bjs-shutdown-authorities/
But I don't found any other articles on the web.Well, if it is true that Dr. BJ was shut down by the authorities (as the article seems to make a compelling case) it shouldn't come as much of a surprise to anyone. A few months back the place was raided but then re-opened. One of the managers of the place then posted here the ridiculous story that the raid had been coordinated between the police and the managers of the venue so as to surprise the girls with a drug test (the manager's story didn't mention the surprise (and fear?) that must have been experienced by any customers at the site at the same time).
Although it may well have been that the place's time was up anyway, posting on forums such as this one that the police were at the beck and call of the owners or management of the establishment couldn't have sat well at police headquarters or any other government office monitoring these things.
Member #4591
07-09-16, 08:33
Well, if it is true that Dr. BJ was shut down by the authorities (as the article seems to make a compelling case) it shouldn't come as much of a surprise to anyone. A few months back the place was raided but then re-opened. One of the managers of the place then posted here the ridiculous story that the raid had been coordinated between the police and the managers of the venue so as to surprise the girls with a drug test (the manager's story didn't mention the surprise (and fear?) that must have been experienced by any customers at the site at the same time).
Although it may well have been that the place's time was up anyway, posting on forums such as this one that the police were at the beck and call of the owners or management of the establishment couldn't have sat well at police headquarters or any other government office monitoring these things.Could you please quote the link to the post where Doctor BJ states that the police are at his Bek and call? I find that hard to believe and would bet you can't produce.
The constant comparing the good old days w / the current state of affairs is boring however RK's post was not that and I enjoyed reading about his experiences and the old Thermae.
Actually there were some aspects of the old days in Bangkok which were definitely not great. How about the vicious pollution? I doubt I could stay in Bangkok back then at my advanced age now! And the trip to the airport? Could be 2 hours, could be 5 - it was a real roulette as to when to leave to catch your plane.
There was no escaping the traffic. Walking along Sukumvit was not pleasant before they brought in the pollution controls (mainly due to cabs and tuktuks having to use LPG). There was no Skytrain or Underground and so if you wanted to go to anywhere beyond walking distance you had to spend hours in a cab. If you were really stupid, you spent it in a Tuk Tuk where, for free, they overcharged you and you got to sample some of the most toxic air known then to man. I distinctly remember women walking along the street with handkerchiefs pressed into their faces because of the terrible air.
I also remember running into quite a few girls who were not that good in the sack back then. The availability of porn through electronic means has had a lot to do with the improvement in that department. I also remember getting much more stomach problems in those old days. My theory was it had much to do with dead birds in the water tanks. Enough said!
Back then there was no ISG as there was no Internet. It was all trial and error. Now at least in the massage places, the better ones try to make your experience reasonably good. Without ISG, you had to do loads more footwork or just rely on the stuff that was right on your doorstep or a recommendation from a taxi driver. I had many disappointments and quite a few rip-offs before I learned but I had to learn the hard way.
And the local whiskey made my ankles swell! Never happened since.
Given my older lungs and legs, I much prefer the Bangkok of today.
Franciscass
07-09-16, 09:00
Could you please quote the link to the post where Doctor BJ states that the police are at his Bek and call? I find that hard to believe and would bet you can't produce.This was an internet based hyped up operation where shilling on this forum and other sites by easily identifiable friends of the Scot and Annie's was widespread. Got to admit though it was well marketed, a professional if grossly misleading website, great signage, good branding and OK facilities as least in the beginning. Unfortunately being able to attract even a semblance of an attractive line up was always a problem. A lot were hand me downs from Annie's which in itself speaks volumes but this didn't stop him from trying to make the best of what he had. When he opened Budget Bangers where if I remember correctly the FS fee was 1000 baht it flopped because as Ali said about Frazier blind men turned around and walked away when they saw what was on offer. So what does he do? Gives the same bunch of old timers pots of nuru gel and now charges 2000 baht for their time. Not sure if it worked but it was definitely imaginative. That said he had definitely lost his PR mojo by the time he tried to explain a recent police raid as an invited drug testing session and the subsequent closure as a planned maintenance upgrade. Sad really. With Annie's long standing connections it would be premature to write this place off but word on the street was it was dying a natural death anyway.
Member #4591
07-09-16, 09:03
I am looking for the opinion of some of you regarding this. If you wanted to spend 10,000 Baht for an encounter with a white skinned model type of provider, where would you source from or who would you choose? Some options I'm thinking of are the following:
1. Model Freelancer from We Chat or other chat app.
2. Outcall escort agency.
3. G Club lady.
4. Freelancer from a high end bar.
5. Sideline girl from website.
6. Coyote from Go go bar.
7. High end massage lady.
Please let me know which option you feel would be the best or if another option is available. P.S. Please don't comment if you are going to refer to being too expensive and so on. I'm looking for a high end model encounter only. This thread is no place for cheap Charlie's so please refrain from commenting if you fall into this category. No offence intended.Well guys, I have chosen number 6. My reason for this is I love the hunt but also love the added security of taking the girl from an establishment. If it go sours I can always go back to the bar and make another arrangement. This is the type of girl I want to find, maybe I will even get her. Who can guess where this is?
My back up plan will be a freelancer for Mixx or Levels. Lords also seems like a good option and I am still pondering that idea. Tuesday is the night.
Gannaton, I have never not had BBBJ from a Lord girl. Read my recent post below and then I will elaborate:
March 5 - Day 11 - Lord Girl #1 More Detail:
Mamasan Tui (Susan) came up and greeted me as I entered the large ornate lounge / reception area. I looked over the girls sitting on the large circular couch in the middle of the room and saw a very pretty girl right in front that I liked the look of. I asked Tui about the prices and she wrote them down on a card.
I pointed out the pretty girl I liked and Tui said she was an "O" category girl or 5400 bt. I said I wanted her and Ae who had noticed us smiled and joined us. She seemed like a very nice girl. After I paid for the session with a credit card, Ae put her arm in mine and escorted us down the hallway to our room. I asked if she wanted a drink and she smiled and said yes so I ordered two Heinekens for 500 bt total.
The room was elegant and refined, decorated in classic French style that reminded me of a room at the 5 star Peninsula Hotel BKK. Ae acted really nice and happy happy to serve as my sexual provider for the evening. We made out and engaged in some friendly light conversation while the tub filled. After a while she helped take off my pants and knelt down on the carpet to give me a BBBJ. A waitress knocked on the door and after I covered up with a towel, she entered the room with our two beers and two mugs filled with ice.
Ae poured the beer into our ice mugs and I made a toast. Then we took off our remaining clothes and adjourned to the tub. Ae cleaned me thoroughly, but gently. Then she began to body to body massage me. We made out whenever our faces came close together. Then she asked me to place my ass on her lap so my dick rose up above the water line. Ae then went to town on me and delivered a great combo BBBJ, ball suck, and titi fuck in tub along with a time out for more passionate kissing and a sip of cold beer.
By now I was really starting to like this 27 year old BKK native. I took a good look at her. She had a pretty, pretty face, round natural "be" cup breasts, a very nice no fat body, and a very cheerful, pleasing personality. Drinking Heinekens on ice in the tub with her was a lot of fun.
She insisted on drying me off with a towel before attending to herself. When we were both dried off and on the bed she started up a 2nd BBBJ. Her body was perpendicular to mine so her pussy was within easy arm' length and I began to massage her clit. After a while I asked her to straddle my head so we could 69. Her pussy was clean shaved and tasted very fresh. After 10 minutes of this I knew I couldn't take much more or else I would cum in her mouth so I pulled her off. She turned around and got on top and we began kissing and caressing each other very passionately. She asked if I wanted to boom boom and I nodded. She then reached for one of my Sagami 001's that I had placed besides the pillow and put it on my dick. Then she impaled herself and rode my dick expertly. About halfway through the shag I gently rolled her over and continued in missionary until I eventually came. Afterwards we just laid in each other's arms until rested. Then she cleaned me up back in the tub.
I asked Ae if I could take some photos and at first she said no because she said the Lord management forbid it, but I put my finger to my mouth and said we would not tell anyone. She still seemed shy and reticent about it so I said ok and put my camera away. Then Ae changed her mind and said a little picture ok so I took my camera out again and shot a few harmless but nice photos of her on the bed. Then I showed her the pics and she said she did not like the the bed in the picture and asked me to delete it. I deleted the worst exposure shot, but secretly kept the others. Next I posed her against the wall and took a few more shots. Ae liked these shots a lot so everybody was happy happy. The phone rang indicating our time was up. I asked her for her line ID, but she told me she did not have a smart phone. But she gave me her cell number and I told her I would call her. And I would have called her too because I really like this one, but instead of calling I made a surprise visit to see her a few nights later.
I tipped her 500 bt. We left the room arm in arm. She handed in her card to the front desk. Then we kissed and hugged goodbye before entering the lounge area. I stopped to thank Tui (Susan) and tell her I liked Ae a lot. I gave Tui 100 bt tip because I liked the way she greeted me. I looked over the lineup one more time before leaving. It was still very good and I saw a few more good looking elegant type girls to do in future.
Day 14: March 8 - the Lord. Ae surprise visit:
Ae had given me her cell number, but on this night I decided to go back to the Lord and surprise her. When I arrived at around 7:30 there were between 35 to 40 girls on the large circular couch (in the line up). It was a pretty good lineup, but Ae was not there. So asked Mamasan Tui (Susan) if Ae was working tonight and she went to check. Susan came back shortly to tell me that Ae was here and finishing up her makeup. She would be out 5 minutes or so. I sat down on a large comfortable easy chair and watched the human comedy of mostly Asian customers chatting with a few of girls. When Ae come out I could see that she was really surprised and happy to see me. Our 2nd session turned out even better than our first.
We did the Heineken on the rocks in the Jacuzzi thing again and repeated all the other good stuff too including BBBJ in the bath tub and an extended 69 on the bed. The foreplay seemed a little more intimate this time. The actual sex was great too and we expanded our repertoire with a reverse cowgirl and doggie at the end. Ae is a real nice girl and I like the mature (27 year old) way she looks and handles herself. Ae is a keeper. A really delightful and friendly girl who is also a great little shag. Who knew? 27 years old. I like. She finished in 6th place in my favorite girls of 2016 Academy Awards.
March 16 - Day 22 - Lord Girl #2 More Detail:
So I went to the Lord after a week away that I spent mostly pursuing Go Go girls and also seeing Mini, my long time BKK GF, a couple of times. The Lord was fast becoming my favorite soapy because it is really a 1st class outfit and the girls I had met thus far really know how to pamper their customers and treat them right sexually speaking. It is truly white glove service which never feels mechanical or structured. Mamasan Susan greeted me again as I walked into the lounge area and asked if I wanted Ae, the same girl I had twice before. I said no I wanted to try someone new this time and I began to look around at the girls. I saw Ig sitting on the island circular couch smiling at me and I instantly chose her. GOOD DECISION!. Ig was absolutely amazing looking. This post is getting kind of long so I will just sum up the experience briefly in these few words from my journal entry written the following morning:
"In the loom, she made love to my dick 4 times during the session and I almost completely forgot I was having a P4 P with her. " I swear this is true!
The highlights included making out in all kinds of positions in the jacuzzi, the 1st preliminary BBBJ on the bed, the body to body massage & 2nd BJ in the tub, watching her smoke me a 3rd time on the bed and then, the most memorable highlight, which I performed in place of a 69 was my leaning around her ass and eating her out from behind while she was on her hands and knees (this act was wild and so raunchy. I loved it), and then after Ig had her first orgasm, she turned around, placed her head on the pillow and pulled me up so my knees were now straddling her face so she could give me the 4th BJ of the night while I basically sat on her face. And of course the following boom boom was really really good as well.
Note: this session was nominated for best session of the trip along with the menage a trois nights with P and her sister G, menage a trois nights with P and BB, multiple menage a trois nights with T and S, and several bareback nights with Am over in Jakarta. On the night of the awards I decided that Ig would place 5th with honors. Anyway, Ig and I exchanged line ID's and have been in many conversations since that night. I went back see her when I returned to BKK a month later and the reunion sex was memorable. She is a really great girl. The only downside is that she has silly cones. Yeah, I know. I don't like, but hers are pretty decent and not that large. She says she hates them and they make it hard for her to sleep. I wish I had met her before the plastic surgery. I bet she had beautiful little "A"cups. But everything else is so good and I really like her so I guess I will have to put up with them since I want to see her again. Ha Ha. Ain't that Love?
Last thing: you asked if CIM was available with the Lord girls. I don't know for sure, because I am not a devotee. I am with Bill Clinton on this: I don't consider it sex if I don't cum in the vagina. 555. But I was almost at the point of completion with Ae during our 1st 69. If I had not ended the routine I would have most certainly cum in her mouth. Maybe that answers your question, maybe not. Go! You will have a great time. I highly recommend the Lord.Brother Natty,
Glad to see your BKK times still rock. I'm considering a Sept trip for a day or 2 and them to Pattaya for 2-3 days. Need to check out this Lord place for sure.
PC out.
Asian Rain
07-09-16, 12:20
This is the type of girl I want to find, maybe I will even get her.Cute as a button for sure, especially if she will be wearing that uniform during the session. But IMHO not quite the spec for a "white skinned model type of provider" worthy of a 10,000 bhat throw down. Let us know how it goes in the end. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.
Could you please quote the link to the post where Doctor BJ states that the police are at his Bek and call? I find that hard to believe and would bet you can't produce.
The visit by the police was arranged by us We ask the police to come in at a random time to conduct drug tests on the ladies as well as doing testing ourselves. The fact that Nuru was closed for the next 2 and a half days was coincidental. As I already pointed out it was for essential work on the plumbing and electrical systems.
Regards,
BJPerhaps I should have stated they said in substance that the police were at their beck and call although I think it was clear from my post that in using that language I was summarizing what I stated in the immediately preceding paragraph, not quoting directly the exact language "beck and call" from Dr. BJ's post. In any event, that the police were at their beck and call is essentially what was being claimed when Dr. BJ stated they asked the police to come in to conduct drug tests on their ladies and the police complied. It is not the job of police to serve as random drug screeners for businesses and the claim that they did that would be interpreted by many as suggesting the business had a special arrangement with the police.
For reference, here is both paragraphs of my earlier post, not just the one you re-produced:
"Well, if it is true that Dr. BJ was shut down by the authorities (as the article seems to make a compelling case) it shouldn't come as much of a surprise to anyone. A few months back the place was raided but then re-opened. One of the managers of the place then posted here the ridiculous story that the raid had been coordinated between the police and the managers of the venue so as to surprise the girls with a drug test (the manager's story didn't mention the surprise (and fear?) that must have been experienced by any customers at the site at the same time).
"Although it may well have been that the place's time was up anyway, posting on forums such as this one that the police were at the beck and call of the owners or management of the establishment couldn't have sat well at police headquarters or any other government office monitoring these things."
Perhaps I should have stated they said in substance that the police were at their beck and call although I think it was clear from my post that in using that language I was summarizing what I stated in the immediately preceding paragraph, not quoting directly the exact language "beck and call" from Dr. BJ's post. In any event, that the police were at their beck and call is essentially what was being claimed when Dr. BJ stated they asked the police to come in to conduct drug tests on their ladies and the police complied. It is not the job of police to serve as random drug screeners for businesses and the claim that they did that would be interpreted by many as suggesting the business had a special arrangement with the police.And if you remember, the initial ISG post by DrBJ at the time was:
Dr BJ's Nuru will be closed for the next few days for upgrading work to be done on the plumbing and electrical systems. As it is now low season it is an ideal time to carry this out. We anticipate this being completed in a few days.
Regards,
BJSL.
Member #4591
07-09-16, 15:11
Perhaps I should have stated they said in substance that the police were at their beck and call although I think it was clear from my post that in using that language I was summarizing what I stated in the immediately preceding paragraph, not quoting directly the exact language "beck and call" from Dr. BJ's post. In any event, that the police were at their beck and call is essentially what was being claimed when Dr. BJ stated they asked the police to come in to conduct drug tests on their ladies and the police complied. It is not the job of police to serve as random drug screeners for businesses and the claim that they did that would be interpreted by many as suggesting the business had a special arrangement with the police.
For reference, here is both paragraphs of my earlier post, not just the one you re-produced:
"Well, if it is true that Dr. BJ was shut down by the authorities (as the article seems to make a compelling case) it shouldn't come as much of a surprise to anyone. A few months back the place was raided but then re-opened. One of the managers of the place then posted here the ridiculous story that the raid had been coordinated between the police and the managers of the venue so as to surprise the girls with a drug test (the manager's story didn't mention the surprise (and fear?) that must have been experienced by any customers at the site at the same time).
"Although it may well have been that the place's time was up anyway, posting on forums such as this one that the police were at the beck and call of the owners or management of the establishment couldn't have sat well at police headquarters or any other government office monitoring these things."I fail to see how asking the police (a request) is having the police at their beck and call.
Christian G
07-09-16, 15:30
One of the managers of the place then posted here the ridiculous story that the raid had been coordinated between the police and the managers of the venue so as to surprise the girls with a drug test (the manager's story didn't mention the surprise (and fear?) that must have been experienced by any customers at the site at the same time).Yesterday one of the managers wrote on a italian forum that they are close for make some modification work. An excuse to hide the raid?
I fail to see how asking the police (a request) is having the police at their beck and call.I guess you didn't read the posts very carefully. What was described was Dr. BJ's asked the police to do drug testing for them, AND the police then staged a raid so as to do drug testing for them. You conveniently left out the latter fact.
Whether what was described in Dr. BJ's post did indeed happen that way is another question. But that is essentially what they said happened.
So I'm done with soapies and oillies, and want to have some daytime action (before 6 PM). So I plan to use online apps / websites to setup rendezvous with P4 P girls only. I'm probably going to rent a room just for shacking up too. I'm okay with meeting up at a coffee shop ahead of time with them, just as long as we BOTH know what is going on (sex in exchange for money, nothing more). I don't want to meet a non-P4 P girl, so that is my problem. How can I find just the working girls, and reliably setup with only them? Is there a specific site that they prefer, do they have some kind of keyword on their tinder profiles? Should I just private message them asking "HEY ARE YOU ARE *****?. ".
Mr Enternational
07-09-16, 18:23
So I'm done with soapies and oillies, and want to have some daytime action (before 6 PM). So I plan to use online apps / websites to setup rendezvous with P4 P girls only. I'm probably going to rent a room just for shacking up too. I'm okay with meeting up at a coffee shop ahead of time with them, just as long as we BOTH know what is going on (sex in exchange for money, nothing more). I don't want to meet a non-P4 P girl, so that is my problem. How can I find just the working girls, and reliably setup with only them? Is there a specific site that they prefer, do they have some kind of keyword on their tinder profiles? Should I just private message them asking "HEY ARE YOU ARE *****?. ".Uhh. Ever heard of backpage?
Are you talking CIM or BBFS / BB anal?
I have found a few girls who say they have no condoms. Is this normal? Are they hinting they are willing to do it BB?I am talking about either BBBJ+CIM or BBFS. What you described could mean the girl is willing to go BB, particularly if she only mentions it in passing as she is pulling you to her naked body on the bed with no apparent intention of discussing it any further. LOL I wouldn't say it is normal for a P4 P girl not to have at least one condom in their purse or bag. But it could also just mean the girl has brought up the subject to find out if you have one or, if you haven't gone into a room yet, to suggest you purchase one.
Member #4591
07-09-16, 18:59
I guess you didn't read the posts very carefully. What was described was Dr. BJ's asked the police to do drug testing for them, AND the police then staged a raid so as to do drug testing for them. You conveniently left out the latter fact.
Whether what was described in Dr. BJ's post did indeed happen that way is another question. But that is essentially what they said happened.Ok so that means the police are at their neck and call? Oh I see. How could I have been so stupid.
Well guys, I have chosen number 6. My reason for this is I love the hunt but also love the added security of taking the girl from an establishment. If it go sours I can always go back to the bar and make another arrangement. This is the type of girl I want to find, maybe I will even get her. Who can guess where this is?
My back up plan will be a freelancer for Mixx or Levels. Lords also seems like a good option and I am still pondering that idea. Tuesday is the night.Ok, I'll stay tuned for the report then. You've certainly built up the suspense and intrigue here. On the well-accepted principle that "money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac", I'm very interested to see how well 10,000 baht greases the wheels.
I suspect you could get this kind of Coyote girl for less than 10,000 baht though. I would not be surprised if a girl like this went for 5 k-7 k or so. But who knows. I hope you can get some pictures too, so we can all see what 10,000 baht actually gets. Looking forward to reading your report Dog.
Crocodilexp
07-09-16, 22:47
Hi Natty, Multiple shots on goal ok at The Lord?I'd love to know this too.
The Lord sounds like good fun, but without multiple shots as standard service, I wouldn't consider it, since it might end up being 5 min of fun for 5000+ baht.
I hate the "one shot but up to the girl, negotiate extra with her" approach common in so many soapies, prefer to know what I'm getting upfront. Renegotiation in the room kills the mood.
Franciscass
07-09-16, 23:17
Ok so that means the police are at their neck and call? Oh I see. How could I have been so stupid.Beck and call or not beck and call. You guys are quibbling over semantics. The explanations for the police visits and subsequent closures are so patently fabricated if anybody asks how do I know this for certain, where is my evidence I can only assume a less than transparent association with this organization.
Member #4698
07-10-16, 00:43
Hi Natty, Multiple shots on goal ok at The Lord?
I'd love to know this too.
The Lord sounds like good fun, but without multiple shots as standard service, I wouldn't consider it ... I hate the "one shot but up to the girl, negotiate extra with her" approach common in so many soapies, prefer to know what I'm getting upfront. Renegotiation in the room kills the mood.This is a good question. I wish I could answer it definitively. But these days I usually last a long time and even go overtime on occasion so it is not an issue.
Crocodilexp hit the nail on the head. Sometimes you have to negotiate. I remember one time back 3 or 4 years ago I was with a really sexy girl at La Belle. We were 10 to 15 minutes into sexual congress and she was really turning me on. Yada yada Yada I lost control and shot my load. She was a nice girl and began the clean me up. It looked like the party was over, but I did not want it to end so I asked her if she wanted to do another round. I said, "I will give you a tip. " The magic words. 555. She asked, "how much you tip me?" Thank Buddha my brain was working. At warp speed I realized that the the tip offer should be large enough to be accepted and end all further negotiation, yet not too large to break the bank. I offered her 500 bt and it was immediately accepted and on we went. Thing is I normally tip Soapy girls I like 200 to 500 depending on how much I like so I did not feel put out after the entire session with 2 shots ended. I thought it was a pretty good session. Did I mention that she was hot?
So to sum up I don't know what the Lord policy is on this. I suspect that the minimum guarantee is one shot and then a lot of body massage and other stuff to fill in the remaining time and the maximum number of shots is up to you and the girl to work out in the loom and it varies.
Member #4698
07-10-16, 00:53
Hi Natty, Multiple shots on goal ok at The Lord?
I'd love to know this too.
The Lord sounds like good fun, but without multiple shots as standard service, I wouldn't consider it ... I hate the "one shot but up to the girl, negotiate extra with her" approach common in so many soapies, prefer to know what I'm getting upfront. Renegotiation in the room kills the mood.This is a good question. I wish I could answer it definitively. But I do not know.
Crocodilexp hit the nail on the head. Sometimes in these situations you have to negotiate. I remember one time back 3 or 4 years ago I was with a very sexy girl at La Belle. We were 10 to 15 minutes into sexual congress and she was really turning me on. Yada Yada Yada, I lost control and shot my load. She was a nice girl and began the clean me up. It looked like the party was over, but I did not want it to end so I asked her if she wanted to do another round. She gave me a blank look so I said, "I will give you a good tip. " The magic words. 555. She asked, "how much you tip me?" Thank Buddha my brain was working on this particular night. I instantly realized that the tip offer should be large enough to be accepted and end all further negotiation, yet not too large to break the bank. I offered her 500 bt and it was immediately accepted and away we went. The thing is I normally tip Soapy girls that I like between 200 to 500 depending on how much I like so I did not feel put out after the entire session with 2 shots ended. I thought it was a pretty good session. I still do. Did I mention that she was hot?
So to sum up I don't know what the official Lord policy is on this. I suspect that the minimum guarantee is one shot and then a lot of body massage and fluff to fill in the remaining time and the maximum number of shots is up to you and the girl to work out in the loom with the only constraint being time. So it varies.
Member #4698
07-10-16, 00:56
Hi Natty, Multiple shots on goal ok at The Lord?
I'd love to know this too.
The Lord sounds like good fun, but without multiple shots as standard service, I wouldn't consider it ... I hate the "one shot but up to the girl, negotiate extra with her" approach common in so many soapies, prefer to know what I'm getting upfront. Renegotiation in the room kills the mood.This is a good question. I wish I could answer it definitively. But I do not know.
Crocodilexp hit the nail on the head. Sometimes in these situations you have to negotiate. I remember one time back 3 or 4 years ago I was with a very sexy girl at La Belle. We were 10 to 15 minutes into sexual congress and she was really turning me on. Yada Yada Yada, I lost control and shot my load. She was a nice girl and began the clean me up. It looked like the party was over, but I did not want it to end so I asked her if she wanted to do another round. She gave me a blank look so I said, "I will give you a good tip. " The magic words. 555. She asked, "how much you tip me?" Thank Buddha my brain was working on this particular night. I instantly realized that the tip offer should be large enough to be accepted and end all further negotiation, yet not too large to break the bank. I offered her 500 bt and it was immediately accepted and away we went. The thing is I normally tip Soapy girls that I like between 200 to 500 depending on how much I like so I did not feel put out after the entire session with 2 shots ended. I thought it was a pretty good session. I still do. Did I mention that she was hot?
So to sum up I don't know what the official Lord policy is on this. I suspect that the minimum guarantee is one shot and then a lot of body massage and fluff to fill in the remaining time while the maximum number of shots is up to you and the girl to work out in the loom with the only constraint being time. So it can vary, but the guarantee is one shot.
Member #4698
07-10-16, 00:57
Hi Natty, Multiple shots on goal ok at The Lord?
I'd love to know this too.
The Lord sounds like good fun, but without multiple shots as standard service, I wouldn't consider it ... I hate the "one shot but up to the girl, negotiate extra with her" approach common in so many soapies, prefer to know what I'm getting upfront. Renegotiation in the room kills the mood.This is a good question. I wish I could answer it definitively. But I do not know.
Crocodilexp hit the nail on the head. Sometimes in these situations you have to negotiate. I remember one time back 3 or 4 years ago I was with a very sexy girl at La Belle. We were 10 to 15 minutes into sexual congress and she was really turning me on. Yada Yada Yada, I lost control and shot my load. She was a nice girl and began the clean me up. It looked like the party was over, but I did not want it to end so I asked her if she was up for another round. She gave me a blank look so I said, "I will give you a good tip. " The magic words. 555. She asked, "how much you tip me?" Thank Buddha my brain was working on this particular night. I instantly realized that the tip offer should be large enough to be accepted and end all further negotiation, yet not too large to break the bank. I offered her 500 bt and it was immediately accepted and away we went. The thing is I normally tip Soapy girls that I like between 200 to 500 depending on how much I like so I did not feel put out after the entire session with 2 shots ended. I thought it was a pretty good session. I still do. Did I mention that she was hot?
So to sum up I don't know what the official Lord policy is on this. I suspect that the minimum guarantee is one shot and then a lot of body massage and fluff to fill in the remaining time while the maximum number of shots is up to you and the girl to work out in the loom with the only constraint being time. So it can vary, but the guarantee is one shot.
I'd love to know this too.
The Lord sounds like good fun, but without multiple shots as standard service, I wouldn't consider it, since it might end up being 5 min of fun for 5000+ baht.
I hate the "one shot but up to the girl, negotiate extra with her" approach common in so many soapies, prefer to know what I'm getting upfront. Renegotiation in the room kills the mood.Yep, that is way too much cash for a one and done. I would have no problem paying that kind of cash for a real looker who provided a full on PSE with MSOG.
Agree that negotiation in the room kills the mood and wilts the pecker.
So to sum up I don't know what the official Lord policy is on this. I suspect that the minimum guarantee is one shot and then a lot of body massage and fluff to fill in the remaining time while the maximum number of shots is up to you and the girl to work out in the loom with the only constraint being time. So it can vary, but the guarantee is one shot.So the question is what to do if the tip isn't accepted, the counter offer is too high or she refuses any more services? I'd probably head downstairs to the lineup and pick another girl right off the bat.
Member #4698
07-10-16, 18:08
So the question is what to do if the tip isn't accepted, the counter offer is too high or she refuses any more services? I'd probably head downstairs to the lineup and pick another girl right off the bat.Yes, in such a situation I would do the same thing or better yet head to another establishment. I like the two girls two shots approach. I would never enter into lengthy negotiations with a girl in order to get a 2nd shot. The girl can either accept my generous offer or I am politely done with her with no tip and no repeat business. But I want to add that this situation does not occur very often to me. These days I usually run out the clock with one shot & goal. My La Belle double shot session occurred a few years ago. Before that I remember the first time an oily massage girl (Angel Massage) refused to give me a 2nd round. At first I did not believe her and thought she was joking, but she wasn't. I think that was in 2010 or 2011. It was a change in policy at that particular massage parlor. Previously Angel girls always gave me two shots. I never went back to Angel even though many parlors are now 1 shot joints. Ha Ha.That's the way things go sometimes. Other shops have prettier line ups. Angel lost a customer.
Only 1999? That's recent history.
I go back to the late 80's and early 90's, when Thermae was the place you went if you wanted to be molested by EVERYONE inside. There was no picking and choosing then.
I related a story on this board in an earlier post about how 2 mates of mine had a competition to see who could go in, get a girl and be outside the fastest. I was timekeeper.
Both of them were in and out in less than 20 seconds (True story).
For me, working in Bkk for 6 months at the time and living out near Soi Thonglor, the places we most enjoyed were the Dead Artists' Bars on Soi 33, and Renoir was our favorite.
I used to enjoy the music in Witches Tavern too.
We rarely went near Nana. There was no need to go that far from home.
Great memories.Thermae 1 was the best ever take a gal outa there for the night and get action all night. Or the nana disco had the best selection of freelancers ever for all night action and they used to hang around for breakfast in the morning and further sex after brekkers. Now the women are all short and rapid timers as they got kids back home to care for where they have been pumped and dumped by Thai guys. So have to hire baby sitters. Agreed the nana bars were not needed as the freelancers selection was so hot from freelancers hangouts.
This now is a report on a night at Mixx three Mondays ago. I was not actually planning on posting this, since the scoreline on this report is essentially nil. That is, I don't report on any of the vital statistics that are so important to the readers of this forum: age, beauty, price, and the laundry list of performed sex acts. No, on that night, I did not even pull a girl from MIxx, and so this potentially is of little-to-no interest for you, my faithful readers.
But after sitting on it for these last few weeks, I decided to post it anyway. Two reasons:
1. Negative results are important. Too often, once you have sifted out the endless inane chatter that goes on here, all you are left with are masses of reports on superbly successful encounters with WGs of LOS, and just a handful of failures. My night at Mixx might rightly be seen as a failure (though it wasn't in my mind), and so I think there is value in such reports.
2. I myself really enjoy reading reports that provide the unusual details of a venue. I like reading about the kinds of interactions people have, the weird characters they see, the odd behavior they have to endure, etc. It gives me a flavor for the place, and I consider it one of the best kinds of intel available here on ISG. Sadly, almost no one provides such reports any more, and I think that is a real loss. I won't claim to be the purveyor of such goods here, but at least I am trying.
So with that, please be warned that this is not a field report in the traditional sense. No women were fucked in the making of this report. But plenty was observed, and here are those observations. Make of them what you will.
Executive Summary
You know me, my friends. You know my penchant for my eminently detailed write-ups. Indeed, many of you detest this. Does he understand what bullet points are? Cant he just tell us what happened, instead of hogging bandwidth like this? Well, to mollify that sentiment, here is a summary of what happened three Mondays ago. You can decide if you want to read the rest or not.
1. Picked myself up after the shock to the system that was Ya of Rainbow 3.
2. Went to Mixx, around 1 am.
3. Saw lots and lots of lovelies, many of whom were very BFable.
4. Got harassed by one in particular, who just would not go away.
5. Mixx closed unexpectedly.
6. Had a brief, but interesting discussion (no sex) with a LB.
7. Went back to the hotel and slept like a baby.
Now, this sounds boring, but in fact, qualitatively, the evening was very, very interesting.
The experience I had with Ya in Rainbow 3, the content of my previous field report a good three weeks ago, was simply not of my regular ilk. It was jarring, and off-putting, but such things happen. After that experience, I needed to pick myself up and get back out there. So I had drained my balls with her by around 10:30 pm, and I was interested in scoping out Mixx. From various reports, including Tomasb and Haven123, it sounded like an interesting location, so I wanted to put it to the Gaze of Kumbu test. Moreover, as upsetting as the Ya thing had been, the sex was truly excellent, and so I was not feeling any pressure to hook up tonight. No, tonight was about observation; letting the anthropologist do his thing. The only way I would pull someone was if she was just perfect, and that is a long shot, it must be said.
Arrival and Early Thoughts
I took a taxi down to Mixx at 1 am or so. No fuss, dropped off with a meter charge, and I think the driver got a kick back (although that is usually for groups of two or more). My taxi arrived moments after the taxi carrying two fine young specimens, and I followed them down the steps, through the hallway and to the entrance of the club to pay. As we walked, the young one kept peering back at me trying to figure me out. I smiled at her and she giggled a little. Not really my type: she had torn off shorts, and a tank top of some kind, with a baseball cap on backwards, and high top sneakers. Like she was trying to go for the Fresh Prince look. Not terribly attractive to me, though perhaps attractive to those 25 years my junior.
Paid the 250 baht, entered, and the first thing I noticed was that it was fucking freezing cold in there. I mean, it was like walking into a meat locker at a high end New York restaurant. Brrr.
The second thing I noticed was that the lighting was actually really good. It was dim, so nice and cozy, but bright enough to be able to see people properly. That put it a notch above Climax, IMHO, in that there was no issue in figuring out exactly what kind of figure a girl has before you take her. Sometimes in Climax, when a girl is at a table, her legs and ass may be hidden by the table, and people in front of her, but also by the dim lighting. So you have to either figure out a way to move her so you can see properly, or you take your chances. I now avoid those girls entirely, which takes out half the girls in there. But not here: the lighting is excellent.
In retrospect, I realized that I only went to one of the two halves of Mixx that night. But I'm ok with that, because I prefer the non-smoking side of things. And that is where I was (I think) because I did not see anyone smoking there. That added to the quality of view, and the quality of air. But it was still freezing cold.
Assuming the dance floor is a circular clock, you walk in at 6 o'clock, with the DJ on the other side of the dance floor, at midnight. Off to the right, from 1 o'clock to 5 o'clock, is an elevated seating area, with perhaps 6-7 tables, and off to the left at 7 o'clock is the bar. At 10 o'clock and 11 o'clock is a VIP lounge area with some plush couches and tables. This was cordoned off when I was there. I suppose no high rollers were around that night. And In between, around 8 o'clock to 9 o'clock, are some bistro-style tables and tall chairs, as well as couches and tables to sit. All the tables and seats were taken, so I had to mill about trying to find a place to settle myself.
I walked through the crowd, which was no where near as crushed as Climax or Insomnia in Pattaya. I found the amount of talent there actually quite good, and so the lack of bodies was not a factor. As I walked through the people, the girls all looked and smiled. The first one I noticed was a white lady with big boobs (or a push up bra), sitting on a stool casting out her visual fishing line. It caught me for a moment, but I managed to wriggle free. She looked kind of latina, or perhaps Uzbeki, so I'm not sure if she is one of the Colombians that Tomasb speaks of.
I went and stood near the VIP couches; an awkward place to stand, to be sure. You are out of the gaze of everyone, and you can't really see people all that well. I stood there for a few minutes, just adjusting myself to the little groups of people, and then I moved back closer to the entrance and stood right at the bar. This was an excellent place to stand, since it was right in the walkway, 10 feet from the entrance, ten feet from the dance floor, ten feet from the lounging couches (non VIP), right at the bar, and right in the walkway that people take to go to the toilets. So it was a thoroughfare, and in the middle of the club.
The Medley of Mixx Players
Everyone could see me, and I could see everyone, and that's just how it should be. A few minutes later (literally, no more than 3 minutes after I got to this spot), I got a gleaming smile from a Thai lady standing in that nook near the door to my right. She was wearing a pink one piece dress, revealing a shapely, if slender, figure. She looked to be in her early thirties (which meant she was in her late thirties or early forties). The age thing did not faze me, but her face just wasn't that appealing. She had some sunken eyes, and her cheekbones were a little too prominent. In any case, I looked away from her after a few moments. But she kept moving around trying to get more central to my eye gaze, making it harder and harder for me to ignore. Nonetheless, I was determined to not get hooked up with her tonight. I hope she eventually leaves me alone..
On the dance floor were a couple of dazzling girls. One of them was wearing a blue skirt and a white shirt, while her friend, the true stunner between the two, was wearing jeans and a dark blouse. The stunner stood out from the crowd for two reasons. First, she was pretty. Her face had very sharp, angular features, which gave off the air of petulance. Moreover, her hair was cut into a pixie style, which is unusual in Thailand, and I dig it. Secondly, she was a serious dancer. She was going all out, no limits, going for broke. She was in a zone, and her friend was just trying to keep up. There's something attractive about that kind of confidence. Or perhaps it is indifference. But regardless, she was clueless about the eyes that were upon her from all locations in the club, and she was just letting 'er rip. I suspect she was not here on P4 P work tonight, since later that night I saw her sitting at a table on the elevated seating area and she was just knocking down the whiskeys.
Meanwhile, sunken-eyes lady darts into my eye sight, looks at me, and gives of a massive giggle and skittles around like she just saw Justin Bieber. Oh dear, terribly forced, horribly fake excitement, don't you just hate it? But I couldn't just let her hang, so I lifted my chin a little, smiled ever so slightly, and she trotted back to her little nook, satisfied for now. Oh please, leave me alone..
Sitting at a table near the dance floor was a beauty in a white dress. She was clearly mid-thirties (and this time I think she was genuinely mid-thirties), but she was built like a carefully designed sports car. Her legs were shapely and fit, her ass was pert, round and bouncy, her waist was very obviously slim and fatless, and her breasts were probably supported by a push-up contraption of some sort. But she was definitely Kumbu-worthy, and I decided to keep tabs on her.
A few minutes later, a friend joined her: a similarly aged and similarly built beauty wearing jeans and a navy t-shirt. Together they were scoping out every white male in the building, of which I am not one. And so I did not get any love from them, save one final wistful glance at the end of the evening when it was too late for anyone. More on that later.
And again, the sunken-eyes lady intrudes into my observations. She comes close to me, almost brushing my right elbow, and pretends to be doing something with the bar lady. She then turns to me and just stares. I was scrupulously not looking at her, I mean every ounce of energy was focused on not looking at her or showing the least bit of attention. But she was standing right next to me, literally inches from my elbow, looking right at me, just waiting for me to look ever so slightly rightward, and she would pounce. But no, I would not relent. I looked off into the distance. I found a spot all the way in the far corner of the nightclub and fixated on it. I imagined there were naked pixies coming out of some massive human orifice and they were dancing in elaborate patterns in that corner. Wow, what a wonder! I must concentrate on those pixies, there may be something to learn there. But she would not relent. She just stood there, looking at me. Oh please, just leave me alone!.
So I finally turn slightly towards her, more to see if she really is looking at me, or just in my direction and past me to some other object. But nope, she was looking right at me, and smiling broadly! I looked away immediately, and I could sense her smiling more broadly. Oh lord, when will it end?! Please just leave me alone..
After a full three minutes (think about that: three minutes of a woman standing next to you staring at you! She took a few steps back into the nook, and the pressure lifted.
The Most Gorgeous Woman in SE Asia, and Poor Toby
Off to my left was a really interesting situation. The three most amazing ladies in the whole club were seated on a couch just to my left. All three were in their early twenties, all three were wearing one-piece body-conforming dresses, all three had themselves made up to the max, and all three were simply gorgeous. They were model type girls, all three, and they knew it. They were getting attention from all corners, but all advances were bouncing off them. I wondered why that was.
A few minutes later I got my answer. There was a young European looking dude, let's call him Tobias. Now, Toby was young, perhaps in his early-mid twenties, and dressed as well as an early-twenties can dress. He was wearing white pants (sorry, only Europeans can pull that off), a brownish checkered short-sleeve buttoned shirt (untucked, remarkably un-European), and loafers with no socks. His gently ruffled brown hair lent a look of eagerness and vulnerability that I thought would probably go over well with your typical WG, in that, he would be the kind to splurge the cash if properly coaxed.
So the three girls were sitting at a table with their drinks when this unconfident bloke made eye contact with one of the girls. Slowly, the eye contact increased, as I watched them (with envy, it must be said) reel him in. Eventually, he wandered over to them, they grabbed him and the giggling and uncomfortable small talk began. Soon they were whisked away from the table in the back to a couch next to the dance floor, and a huge bottle of whiskey arrived, along with multiple glasses and lots and lots of ice. The whiskey and mixers started to flow and the girls were getting into it.
Over the course of the next hour, roughly half the bottle of whiskey was consumed, and lots of giggling was had. But after a while, one of the girls (the second hottest one amongst the three) peeled off and started chatting up some other guy. And after another 10 minutes or so, the third hottest girl peeled off too, leaving just the hottest girl in the lot. I kept glancing over because I thought the hottest girl was singularly beautiful, but also because I wanted to see how this proceeded.
As I kept glancing over, my eyes locked with her eyes for a moment, and to my surprise, she smiled at me. Huh? She just caught herself a prize pick, why is she mixing it up with me?
This continued for another 30 minutes or so, while I interacted with numerous other girls in a similar fashion. So let me tell you what happened in those other interactions, and I'll return to this most-interesting of situations shortly.
The Rest of the Cast
I noticed an Indian girl there, clearly working P4 P. She was wearing a white and pink dress, and was perhaps in her late twenties. She was rather pretty, though not my type. But she saw me and decided I was her type. She set herself up right next to me and started to dance her little tushy off. I mean she was going at it, but not directly propositioning me. So for 10 minutes I had to try to ignore her. Finally she did the little drink-clink, which I obliged, but I gave her the brush off thereafter. It took a good 20 minutes for her to get the hint that I was not interested. As far as I could tell, she was the only Indian there, but she was clearly Indian (of some kind).
Secondly, there was a girl with these rather odd colored eyes. They must have been contacts, but they gave her a definite celine allure. She looked like she was a mix between Thai and some other ethnicity, and I figured she must have been the girl who quoted Tomasb the 6000 baht figure. She was striking, too: very well put together. Her hair was well done, her makeup was impeccable, and from what I could tell, she had a decent figure. But the attention she was giving me was too direct. She kept walking past me, looking directly at me, and when my eyes met hers, she would break into a big smile. And walk past. This was a little too aggressive for me, and my Kumbu sense started to go off. I try to avoid the overly professional ones, since that usually leads to a somewhat cold encounter. I want to get someone who is semi-professional, and that usually comes with a little less direct procurement.
So I smiled back at her, but never made an advance on her, despite her 4-5 circles past my location.
A guy walked in who ended up entertaining me for a little while. He was a tall, blonde, good looking guy. He had attractive features, was wearing a polo shirt and khakis, and was carrying a shoulder-messenger bag for some reason. I hated him immediately, since he was in his early thirties and good looking, and so I thought he would suck all my oxygen out of the room. And as predicted, as soon as he walked in, all heads turned away from me and landed right on his boyish features. He walked towards the bar and passed the first pretty girl there, who looked at him, and he did his thing.
His thing was to smile a lot. But it wasn't just smiling. What he did was when a woman looked at him, he would cock his head to the side, open his eyes wide, and break into a huge, unrestricted smile. It was like in his head he was saying, "Aaaw shucks. . . Hi theeeeeeere". I saw this and chuckled a little, not sure why.
Then he walked over to the next lady, he stopped and he did the exact same thing. He cocked his head again, opened his eyes wide, smiled broadly, held that pose for a moment, and then walked on to the next girl. Hmm, odd. And as he walked through the club, stopping at every pretty girl and giving them this treatment, I saw their response to him slowly change. It went from:
"Oh Hello, here comes a most eligible, handsome, well-dressed, youngish white man" to.
"Oh Hello, here comes a most. . . Oh. . . What is he doing?
So this pretty boy was basically shooting himself in the foot with his boyish puppy dog smile. It was endearing, in a creepy kind of way, but it just wasn't working. It was almost as if someone had told him that in order to create chemistry, he should look a girl in the eyes and smile. And he was doing this robotically with every human with a pussy he encountered. It was downright creepy.
But it made me happy to see him fail. I know, I know, that's a terrible thing to say about another monger, but he was in a sense my rival, and so there was a certain amount of schadenfreude involved here.
Meanwhile, one of the Colombians walked past me with her boobs pointing up at the ceiling somehow. She walked past like she was in an army marching band, hands swinging, legs marching, looking off to the side at me, smiling in a fixed, fake way, trying to get some kind of reaction. It was so weird standing there being propositioned so blatantly and so clumsily by girl after girl. It was down right off-putting to me.
Returning to the Saga of Toby
Ok, back to the hottest girl and her new-found friend Tobias. They were now drinking it up hot and heavy, but there was no physical touching at all going on. He was trying to cozy up to her, but she kept moving about to avoid his touch. This was a definite bad sign, but poor Toby was not catching on to it. And even more unnerving was the fact that this super hot girl kept looking over to me and smiling. Huh? Why would she do that? Why would she jeopardize a perfectly good mark in Toby for an uncertain shot at old Kumbu? I mean, I was definitely older than Toby (he being in his mid-twenties, me a good two decades his senior), he was ethnically purer than I, with me being ethnically dubious at best. He had already splurged thousands on the girl and her two friends, while I was standing pat with my single Heineken. So it made no sense.
Anyway, this continued for a good half hour, with her drinking Toby's liquor, but playing smilesies with old Kumbu from afar. Then at around 2:45 am, she and her friends start to pack up. A lost look of bewilderment suddenly crosses Toby's face, as he clearly was not consulted before this move began. I could see him stuttering his words a little as he asked the hot chick what was happening. She looked him in the eyes, touched him on his arm (the first physical contact of the night, as far as I am aware), and leaned in to whisper something to him. And here's the kicker: while she whispered into his ear, she was looking over slyly to me, with a smile on her face. WTF?!
A moment later, she grabbed her handbag, her two friends lead the way, and they walked away from Toby, leaving him holding a half-drunk glass of whiskey in one hand and his semi-limp dick in the other. His face was pouty and sad, like a puppy dog that had been left at home alone. He was now facing the fact that he had been fleeced by three top-level working girls, and he had nothing to show for it except a wet patch on his crotch.
As the super hot girl walked past me, my eyes fixed on her exquisitely beautiful face, she smiled at me and walked on. But a step past me, she stopped, turned around, and came back to me. She came up close to me, and I felt the warmth of her body, the heat of that pussy beneath that tight, tight dress. My heart was pounding at a million beats per minute: what the fuck is going on? Why is she approaching me?! OMG, she is so goddam hot, little Kumbu is about to have an aneurysm!
She steps close to me and says "so what you think?
Umm. . . What do I think? What do I THINK?
I think I want to fuck you, what else could I think?
What did she mean by "what do you think?" What do I think about her beauty? What do I think about going with her tonight? What do I think about Mixx? What?
Somehow, without missing a beat, I smiled at her, and said something that would fit all those possible questions. I said "What do I think? Fantastic!".
She smiled at this, turned toward the door, tossed her hair back and strutted out with her nose pointing to the ceiling, victorious in every way.
Through my peripheral vision, I could see Toby glaring at me, like he figured out something was afoot. And slowly, I realized what had been happening this whole time.
All those glances she was giving me, all those sly smiles, and the coy looks I was getting. . . They had nothing to do with what I thought. They were not glances of proposition. They were not her trying to get me to take her for the night. They were not her playing a double-game with me and Toby. No, that was not what was happening.
Rather, she was there to play Toby. That was her endgame. She and her friends were not WGs in our sense, but WGs in the sense that they were there to get some free drinks, get whatever other freebies the naive falang in BKK were willing to throw their way, and have some fun. And during this hustle, she noticed me looking at her very intently. And in her mind, she realized that I had figured out her game. Because the only thing in her mind was to hustle Toby, she was not even thinking about going with anyone that night. So when I was looking at her, she was not thinking that I wanted to pay her 2500 baht for the privilege of ramming my tongue into her pussy, but that I had sussed her game, and that I was watching with admiration to see how it would play out. Then when it all ended, she came up to me to ask what I thought of how she played her cards. I said 'fantastic', and that pleased her. So she went off into the night, victorious in every way.
As I figured this out, I did not know how to feel. I mean, this girl seemed like a WG, but she was a regular girl just here for some fun with her friends. She managed to find a schlub to pay for her drinks and to give her some entertainment, but I don't think she was going to do anything with him. Nor me, for that matter. So this is a warning to anyone who thinks that all girls in Mixx or other clubs are up for sale. I don't believe they are. IMHO, most girls are, but not all. A few years ago, when I was showing my first-time visitor buddy around BKK, I took him to Climax. I told him to find a girl with whom he has long-distance chemistry, and then make his move accordingly. But instead, he looked for the hottest girl in the club, and decided he wanted her. So he approached her, he worked her, he tried his best, but she was just not interested. She was there with her friends, they were drinking and dancing, and she was just not there for P4 P. He was utterly confused, and I told him to forget it. But he did not. Instead, he went back to her and just flat out offered her money. He said "I'll give you 5000 baht to go with me to my hotel room". Needless to say, it did not work.
The End of the Road
As I pondered this issue, suddenly, the music stopped. The dancing continued for a moment, and then slowed in a confused and mildly distressed manner. And then the lights came on. Bright, cold, white light, suddenly illuminated the people in Mixx, and it was like a veil had been lifted. Suddenly, I could see all the girls in regular light, and they seemed utterly lost by this. It was like someone called bullshit on the fantasy, and suddenly they were no longer alluring seductresses, but regular women struggling to make a living.
It was not pleasant at all, I have to say, but it was very amusing. The sports-car beauty in the white blouse suddenly aged 5 years and 30 pounds, the sunken-eyes girl who would not leave me alone suddenly lost 20 pounds and took on the look of a famine-striken 50 year old. The crazy pixie-haired dancer knocking back whiskeys, well, she was passed out on the couch and still looked fucking hot.
So it turns out Mixx closes at 3 am. I had no idea, I thought we had until 5-6 am. This early closing was a surprise to some, but not to most. I stood there a little confused, and the DJ said something about 'sorry, we're closed now', and then people started to wander out. As I walked out, the girl with the sunken eyes and pink dress made one last move for me, brushing my elbow with her fingers as I passed her, but I ignored her and walked on.
I was not in any mood to drop money for something I was not that into. I had already gotten off earlier in the evening, and so there was no desperation in my body, and I just wanted to go back to my hotel and sleep. So I walked out, whispering under my breath "oh please just leave me alone".
I noticed girl after girl hurrying into taxis, on their way to Climax or some other nightclub no doubt. So this suggests to me that if you are at Climax before 3 am, you will witness a wave of new talent at around 3:30-4 am, as the rejects from Mixx stream in. This works very well for Climax I believe, which only cements it as the top FL nightclub in my mind (for now).
Taxi Shenanigans
I walked out and got accosted by taxi guy after taxi guy. I told them I wanted to go back to the Landmark, and they offered me a ride for 400 baht. I said no, meter please, and they kept offering me a 400 baht ride. I think it must have been three consecutive taxi guys who had the same price, until the fourth who dropped his price to 300 baht. Fuck them, I told them I would rather walk.
As I walked, I flagged down a regular taxi, and he also refused the meter, but said he would go for 100 baht. Crap, it's not a lot of money, but it's the principle. But at 3:20 am, tired, ready to sleep, what's the 60 baht difference? Plus, this guy is out in the dead of night trying to make a living, so why not? So 100 baht it was, he dropped me off on the other side of Suk, near the corner of soi 3.
The Girls of Suk
I got out and started the walk up that far side of Suk, and I was stopped by a big black lady (BBL). She stood right in front of me and here's how the interaction went:
BBL: Hello honey, let's go have a good time.
Kumbu: Oh nooooo, thank you, but nooooo.
BBL: No? Why not? I can show you a very good time.
Kumbu: I'm sure you can, but no thank you.
(BBL, grabs Kumbu's balls very gently).
Kumbu: eeek!
BBL: Ready for a good time now?
(Kumbu gently removes balls from BB vice).
Kumbu: Umm, no, thank you really, but no.
BBL: where are you from, you sweet thing?
Kumbu: Umm, America.
BBL: America? Oh I KNOW we are going to have a good time now!
Kumbu: where are you from?
BBL: Kenya. We know how to have a good time in Kenya, let's go now, we will have a rrrreally good time.
(I considered saying, "hujambo sista", something learned from my Kenyan-Somali co-worker, but did not wish to create any more reason for her to stick to me).
Kumbu: no, sorry, I am not interested. Good luck though, mmkay.
BBL: Why not? There is NO reason not to, let's do it darling!
Kumbu: No, thanks, but no.
BBL: Why not? There is no reason!.
Kumbu: Umm, I don't have any money. That's why.
And suddenly she was gone from sight; within seconds, she disappeared.
I was walking towards soi 11, and perhaps beyond, looking for that very cute SW I had seen a week earlier. I know the chances are very slim, but at worst, I would get to see what was on offer. As I walked, a lady boy or two walked past me and I heard the vague 'I want to go widjoo', but there was nothing terribly energetic about their efforts.
But then, as I passed the now-closed Vasu money exchanger, I walked towards a lady boy who was giving me some serious eye. You see, Kumbu has a somewhat feminine gait, and this seems to attract the attention of the more predatory lady boys. This one thought she knew her prey very well, and assumed there was a chance. Little did she know that when it comes to pussy, old Kumbu is a strict originalist. I am not at all interested in reconstructed labia majora, or renovated uteral tracts or new-fangled designer clitora. No, only the real deal is good enough for Kumbu.
But she approaches me and creaky-voices "I want to go widjoooooooo". Kumbu did not make eye contact and said "No, thank you. " And she stepped in front of me and said again, more forcefully, "Wait, I want to go widjooo". I stepped to the side to try to get past her and said, politely and without any malice, "No, thank you, I'm not interested. ".
And at this point, something interesting happened. She threw up her arms and let out a sigh of exasperation, and said "But. . . But. . . I am pretty . . . I AM pretty. . . ".
I stopped, looked her in the eyes, and for the first time, I saw the human in the body of one of these tortured, almost grotesque male-female bodies. I saw a complex person, one with conflicts and internal strife, and most of all, I saw genuine anguish. She was truly distressed, and I was not sure why. It could have been that she was hopped up on some meth or something. Or it could have been that she just got dumped by her Japanese boyfriend. Or, in my opinion the most likely reason: she was tired of being viewed as a freaky male impersonator who would never be beautiful in the eyes of regular, heterosexual men.
I stopped, placed my hands on each of her shoulders, and felt tension roar through her shoulders into my hands. I looked her straight in the eyes and said "Honey, you are fucking gorgeous. I can see that. You don't need to prove that to anyone. But I am not the man for you. I am not going with you, and you need to let me pass. ".
A pause ensued, perhaps as she tried to translate my words into Thai, I don't know. But after a moment, I felt the stress in her shoulders subside, and she exhaled slowly. Her shoulders slumped slightly, her lips curled downward as if in resignation, and her eyes softened ever so slightly. Her body moved almost unnoticeably to the side, indicating I could move along. I lingered a moment longer than I needed to, and went on my way.
I walked up past Soi 11, and then on to the hotel Sofitel, just looking to see what kind of talent was available. I still had the encounter with the lady boy fresh in my mind, and I was playing it over and over in my mind. At that hour, now probably close to 3:45 am, there was relatively little available. I had been on that exact stretch a week earlier at around 1:30 am, and things had been much livelier, with perhaps a dozen quality SWs available that night. In any case, I was not really interested in SWs that night, or any pussy to be honest, so I don't really know why I was walking the streets. So I crossed the street and made my way back to the Landmark, where I slept like a fucking baby until 11 am the next day.
Epilogue
I was planning on filing one final report of my last encounter, but I think I will skip it. It was mostly repetitive for you folks, even though it was a revelation for me. But the long and short of it was that I had yet another night with the Diamond girl from Climax, and it was the best sex of the entire trip. But that sentence encapsulates the essence of that encounter, so I will leave it at that.
So here I am, at my computer in the good old US of A, after a marvelous 10 days in BKK and Pattaya. I had some seriously stupendously good nights with some sweet, sexy little things. I had a couple of pretty rough nights too, but all in all, the trip was a raging success. I ended so many of those nights exhausted, sweating profusely, gasping for air, between the breasts of a beautiful woman, muttering the words, "I DO still exist; I DO still exist". I have no idea why that mantra emanated from within me so regularly and with so little explanation, but that's what happened. And sitting here, looking at my computer, with the mild reflection of my face in the glossy screen, I am left with that creeping, gnawing suspicion. I think I exist. . . But do I really?
MadAssManiac
07-11-16, 09:48
Guys,
Any escort agency / place where we can meet russian women. Cost not too much of a concern.
Tx.
Madass.
As I figured this out, I did not know how to feel. I mean, this girl seemed like a WG, but she was a regular girl just here for some fun with her friends. She managed to find a schlub to pay for her drinks and to give her some entertainment, but I don't think she was going to do anything with him. Nor me, for that matter. So this is a warning to anyone who thinks that all girls in Mixx or other clubs are up for sale. I don't believe they are. IMHO, most girls are, but not all. A few years ago, when I was showing my first-time visitor buddy around BKK, I took him to Climax. I told him to find a girl with whom he has long-distance chemistry, and then make his move accordingly. But instead, he looked for the hottest girl in the club, and decided he wanted her. So he approached her, he worked her, he tried his best, but she was just not interested. She was there with her friends, they were drinking and dancing, and she was just not there for P4 P. He was utterly confused, and I told him to forget it. But he did not. Instead, he went back to her and just flat out offered her money. He said "I'll give you 5000 baht to go with me to my hotel room". Needless to say, it did not work.Very nice read Kumbu, thank you for it!
Summarizes my experiences of 25 years Thailand very well, especially those of the last 5 years. Middle class in Thailand got a very nice bump up in the last decade, so the possibility to get into such situation is now much more likely as before.
Most guys do not believe me, that there are quiet a few not pickable girls around, even in Climax. Most claim in Climaxx are 99% of the girls working girls, means available. Last night in Climax our party got wild and only at our 3 tables alone was 6 not working girls, most likely the most beautiful girls in the entire club of course. The girls in our group got several times "contacted" by guys, but they don't need any help, they are able to handle such very well by their own.
To be young and handsome will help at those girls, but most time this is not enough to succeed with those kind of girls. If those kind of girls wants it badly, they can bonk daily an very handsome men everyday, there's plenty of supply around in Bangkok. Playing your cards right and have the right amount of patience will help a lot, which most of 1 or 2 week holiday guest don't have. Like you mentioned, they are out with friends to have fun, nothing else. Most of those have boyfriends already, wherever on the globe they may stay. But still then, most of them are still game, if the situation is right, Sanook is right and they know you a bit and they can be sure of your discretion.
Kumbu, if you have followed them out, you may have seen them drive home in a very nice car, most probably a brand new SUV. Those girls not want to fuss with a stupid taxi driver and the unsafely connected with it.
Mumbai Guy
07-11-16, 13:35
Guys,
Any escort agency / place where we can meet russian women. Cost not too much of a concern.
Tx.
Madass.Search Bangkok backpage, women seeking men. There are a couple of russian freelancers listed there. I have tried one. Quite good experience. Do incall on sukhumvit soi 11.
This now is a report on a night at Mixx three Mondays ago. I was not actually planning on posting this, since the scoreline on this report is essentially nil. That is, I don't report on any of the vital statistics that are so important to the readers of this forum: age, beauty, price, and the laundry list of performed sex acts. No, on that night, I did not even pull a girl from MIxx, and so this potentially is of little-to-no interest for you, my faithful readers.
But after sitting on it for these last few weeks, I decided to post it anyway. IMHO, I wouldn't waste a lot of time worrying if some people don't want to read what you write. If it is substantially factual and fits into the TOP that Jackson has set forth, then you have as much right to post it as anyone else. I find that it takes very little time to scroll pasts those individuals that I don't want to waste my time reading what they have to say.
For me the fact that you are so meticulous in your reporting is quite refreshing and yes I am sure all of us that have been at this for a while, can appreciate the evenings that don't follow our master plan. It does make those that do all the more pleasing.
But hey, my opinion is of no more importance than the passing of gas in a whirlwind.
I enjoyed your escapades. I suspect that our tactics are quite similar.
Preach on my brother!!
TheSquirrel
07-11-16, 18:55
I will be heading to Bangkok for the first time in a week. Is it unusual to find a girl who will stay the night with me? I really miss morning sex. Or am I just day dreaming the wrong dream? How much do you think I should budget for that?
This now is a report on a night at Mixx three Mondays ago. ..... I think I exist. . . But do I really?Incredibly well written report. I felt like I was there experiencing every moment through your eyes. It brought back so many memories. Bits and pieces of my own experiences, thoughts, feelings, sensations I felt as I walked around BKK (and other countries, for that matter) observing what was going on around me.
Some people are content to live in the fantasy of what they think is going on around them. Few people realize it is just a game. Kind of like going to Disney World. You can have fun, but it is interesting to look behind the scenes and see what is really going on.
People get suckered all the time, and all over the world. It is interesting to see the scams as they happen. It is interesting to look around the club as the lights come on. I love to see what the girls look like when the lights come on. I love to see all the fire hazards, exposed electrical wires, rust, dirt, and crap are in these places when the lights come on. It feels like you are in a completely different place. Nana Plaza is the most disgusting and depressing places in the light of day, but at night it looks almost like a festival. I love it there! : the.
I watch the girls in the morning when they are walking home (I am an early riser), and I think to myself "Who in their right mind would pick these girls". Then I realize, these are the same girls I was checking out last night.
Yes Kumbu, you do exist. You are very observant. And you write very good reports. Keep it up.
Member #4591
07-12-16, 04:16
So I'm done with soapies and oillies, and want to have some daytime action (before 6 PM). So I plan to use online apps / websites to setup rendezvous with P4 P girls only. I'm probably going to rent a room just for shacking up too. I'm okay with meeting up at a coffee shop ahead of time with them, just as long as we BOTH know what is going on (sex in exchange for money, nothing more). I don't want to meet a non-P4 P girl, so that is my problem. How can I find just the working girls, and reliably setup with only them? Is there a specific site that they prefer, do they have some kind of keyword on their tinder profiles? Should I just private message them asking "HEY ARE YOU ARE *****?. ".You need kind of a sixth sense. The clues are quite obvious actually. Revealing photos, a lot of pictures in the bar, the words take care me in their profile or call girl/escort, it's generally pretty easy to discover after a few minutes of chat. The working girls will agree to meet you very easily, where non P4P girls will want hours or days of chit chat before. I'm surprised you don't know where to find them on line. WeChat has to be the easiest online source to find working girls, Badoo comes in a close second. After that Tango, Skout and Thai Joop.
FreebieFan
07-12-16, 04:23
and I think to myself "Who in their right mind would pick these girls". Then I realize, these are the same girls I was checking out last night.
.The power of alcohol to make pretty what isn't. The power of our brains to make desirable what might not be. The illusion vs the cold hard light of day. I think we all prefer the night. Hides all their blemishes, and probably ours too!
You need kind of a sixth sense. The clues are quite obvious actually. Revealing photos, a lot of pictures in the bar, the words take care me in their profile or call girl/escort, it's generally pretty easy to discover after a few minutes of chat. The working girls will agree to meet you very easily, where non P4P girls will want hours or days of chit chat before. I'm surprised you don't know where to find them on line. WeChat has to be the easiest online source to find working girls, Badoo comes in a close second. After that Tango, Skout and Thai Joop.Wechat I've had a bit of success with, but it's full of ladyboys. But the lb's won't hide it either, so it's easy to avoid. I've met a few normal girls that aren't P4P, but they ask for a few gifts here and there. I have also met some obvious P4P girls too. But they have been totally fine with the Gik (fuck buddy) scenario. Badoo isn't bad either, but there seem to be less P4P girls in my opinion. But when I was in the Philippines a couple months ago Badoo brought a landslide of pussy within a few days. Both apps are fun to play around with it you have the time.
You need kind of a sixth sense. The clues are quite obvious actually. Revealing photos, a lot of pictures in the bar, the words take care me in their profile or call girl/escort, it's generally pretty easy to discover after a few minutes of chat. The working girls will agree to meet you very easily, where non P4P girls will want hours or days of chit chat before. I'm surprised you don't know where to find them on line. WeChat has to be the easiest online source to find working girls, Badoo comes in a close second. After that Tango, Skout and Thai Joop.Hah! You killed two birds with one stone there. Very efficient. And both posts were super informative.
Most guys do not believe me, that there are quiet a few not pickable girls around, even in Climax. Right you are. I guess everyone has their price, ultimately, but for some of these girls, when they are not there specifically for P4 P, the price might end up being astronomical. Plus you need chemistry and a lot of luck.
Kumbu, if you have followed them out, you may have seen them drive home in a very nice car, most probably a brand new SUV. Those girls not want to fuss with a stupid taxi driver and the unsafely connected with it.I am sure you are right, especially with these three. They seemed like the chauffeured kind of crowd.
But hey, my opinion is of no more importance than the passing of gas in a whirlwind.Join the club, my friend.
I enjoyed your escapades. I suspect that our tactics are quite similar.I always say that I don't care if my reports get read or not. . . But that's kind of not true. It's nice to see that some people gain something. Thanks Sky Ryder.
I felt like I was there experiencing every moment through your eyes. It brought back so many memories. Bits and pieces of my own experiences, thoughts, feelings, sensations I felt as I walked around BKK (and other countries, for that matter) observing what was going on around me.Now that's what I aim for: to try to put you in my shoes. Thanks for the feedback Phuquer.
I love to see what the girls look like when the lights come on. I love to see all the fire hazards, exposed electrical wires, rust, dirt, and crap are in these places when the lights come on. It feels like you are in a completely different place. Nana Plaza is the most disgusting and depressing places in the light of day, but at night it looks almost like a festival. I love it there!Right?! NEP is a fucking dump in the daytime, but a goddam wonderland at night. I think it is the potential it holds at night time that does the trick.
Yes Kumbu, you do exist. I'll take your word for it right now, but my suspicions remain. I think I need another trip to BKK just to confirm what you tell me. . .
Very nice read Kumbu, thank you for it!
Summarizes my experiences of 25 years Thailand very well, especially those of the last 5 years. Middle class in Thailand got a very nice bump up in the last decade, so the possibility to get into such situation is now much more likely as before.I am pretty new to Thailand but I started going there recently because I have some friends there. Through my friends, I met with many Thai girls and it seemed like money isn't really an issue for them. Also, the places they took me to are less touristy, so my experience is limited to those. However, I can tell that none of the girls was interested in hooking up just because of the money. It seems to me there is a trend that most girls like successful guys but definitely looks and personality plays a huge role in their decision. But again, these are just a small number o Thai girls I interacted with.
Simon Wagstaff
07-13-16, 12:19
I have a busy travel schedule and will be in BKK for just one day. I arrived Sunday night and depart on Tuesday morning. It seems that the 19th and perhaps the 20th are some sort of high religious holiday. No alcohol sales on the 20th. I don't seem to be able to figure out what is happening on the 18th, it's a bridge holiday? Everybody gets a 4 day weekend. I was hoping to book a Thai cooking class but they all seem closed on the 18th for the holiday.
Will it be business as usual on the 18th or will there be an alcohol ban and bars closed?
Banana Boi
07-13-16, 12:47
I may be wrong but from what I hear all bars that serve alcohol to be closed on July 19 and 20. I understand July 18 is only a holiday for some but bars are open. Not sure about your cooking class.
Many of the girls I know are going home for the entire week so things may be quiet next week.
Simon Wagstaff
07-13-16, 12:53
I may be wrong but from what I hear all bars that serve alcohol to be closed on July 19 and 20. I understand July 18 is only a holiday for some but bars are open. Not sure about your cooking class.
Many of the girls I know are going home for the entire week so things may be quiet next week.I will be leaving on the 19th, seems like a good thing. Just as long as ALL the girls don't go home.
All of the cooking classes I tried to book online showed as being closed.
Thanks for the information.
Christian G
07-13-16, 13:09
I may be wrong but from what I hear all bars that serve alcohol to be closed on July 19 and 20. http://www.boomboomme.com/resources/holidays/thailand/ this website confirm, 19 and 20 July close.
Simon Wagstaff
07-13-16, 13:57
http://www.boomboomme.com/resources/holidays/thailand/ this website confirm, 19 and 20 July close.I did finally find my cooking class. I want to learn how to make Pad Thai.
Maliwan cooking class.
Looks like a good way to spend the morning.
http://www.maliwancooking.com/Pages/About/
I may be wrong but from what I hear all bars that serve alcohol to be closed on July 19 and 20. I understand July 18 is only a holiday for some but bars are open. Not sure about your cooking class.
Many of the girls I know are going home for the entire week so things may be quiet next week.Website showing all the holidays for this year. http://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/thailand/2016.
I am pretty new to Thailand but I started going there recently because I have some friends there. Through my friends, I met with many Thai girls and it seemed like money isn't really an issue for them. Also, the places they took me to are less touristy, so my experience is limited to those. However, I can tell that none of the girls was interested in hooking up just because of the money. It seems to me there is a trend that most girls like successful guys but definitely looks and personality plays a huge role in their decision. But again, these are just a small number o Thai girls I interacted with.Your experience in thailand may be limited, but your observations are right. Of course there are still myriads of girls which "working" for a living, so anyone who is in search for a quick bang without hassles should have no problem and for which I am myself happy to have this offer around.
Looks and personality are indeed important points for the other growing pool of girls, which are simply not interested in a few thousand bahts. I know personally of an incident where was 50'000 Baht offered for a night, and it was declined. You should have a good portion of humor as well. Thai girls like to flirt and play around, its part of their life culture and you won't succeed with ignoring it.
I am pretty new to Thailand but I started going there recently because I have some friends there. Through my friends, I met with many Thai girls and it seemed like money isn't really an issue for them. Also, the places they took me to are less touristy, so my experience is limited to those. However, I can tell that none of the girls was interested in hooking up just because of the money. It seems to me there is a trend that most girls like successful guys but definitely looks and personality plays a huge role in their decision. But again, these are just a small number o Thai girls I interacted with.Thing is they don't understand that the exchange rate makes pretty much every guy a successful guy, we aren't talking about western standards here. If you can buy her family a water buffalo then you must be successful. If you can put a new roof on the family house, then you must be successful. I do feel sorry for the pretty girls who think they've hooked themselves a winner but in reality its a loser who figured out his unemployment check goes much farther in Thailand. Have a 33 year old relative who's been living at home his whole life with dad paying the bills, engaged to a cutie and finally got his ass out of bed to look for a job knowing that marriage won't last long with his wife working and him sitting at home playing video games. But who's going to hire a mid 30's guy with no work experience? Go to Thailand is my thinking.
Hey it's been a long time since I've been to bkk, so I was wondering if anyone could give a brief update on best places to pick up a freelancer (e. G. , thermae) and current ballpark rates for ST and overnight.
I have been RTFF but it's not that easy to glean such info.
TIA.
Uncle Volodya
07-15-16, 14:12
Hey it's been a long time since I've been to bkk, so I was wondering if anyone could give a brief update on best places to pick up a freelancer (e. G. , thermae) and current ballpark rates for ST and overnight.
I have been RTFF but it's not that easy to glean such info.
TIA.Straightforward pickup spots: Thermae, Beer Garden, Nana Carpark (BKK's version of BR and vice versa - 555).
Discos: Climaxx, Spicey, Bangkok Beat, Mixx, Insomnia, Sugar, Levels (you can catch some of them across the street in Oskar's restaurant bar before they go to Levels too).
High end: Spasso.
I probably missed some. Let us know how it goes.
Member #4591
07-15-16, 14:21
Straightforward pickup spots: Thermae, Beer Garden, Nana Carpark (BKK's version of BR and vice versa - 555).
Discos: Climaxx, Spicey, Bangkok Beat, Mixx, Insomnia, Sugar, Levels (you can catch some of them across the street in Oskar's restaurant bar before they go to Levels too).
High end: Spasso.
I probably missed some. Let us know how it goes.I'm sorry but there is no Insomnia in Bangkok anymore. It's now called Insanity.
Uncle Volodya
07-15-16, 15:02
I'm sorry but there is no Insomnia in Bangkok anymore. It's now called Insanity.Yes that is what I meant. But the place sucks in any case.
I was dating a very nice coyote from Soi cowboy and she gave me plenty info on the other coyotes, they all have guys back home and will go short time for large sums of money in the 10's of 1000 s,but not always if their guys doesn't agree. I took this coyote back to my hotel and she wouldn't do the business for free or cash. This coyote did do the pickup joints after the bars closed. But she was doing a book keeping and financial course to get away from the bars which I believe she did as not seen in cowboy any more.
The bars ban them from doing ST but they do on occasion if money is right.
Hey it's been a long time since I've been to bkk, so I was wondering if anyone could give a brief update on best places to pick up a freelancer (e. G. , thermae) and current ballpark rates for ST and overnight.
I have been RTFF but it's not that easy to glean such info.
TIA.I agree, RTFF is not a very efficient way to get such information, sadly. Perhaps having a permanent sticky thread for such info would be useful, but that's not my call.
The places that Uncle V and BKKDog list are an excellent set. As to your question of standard price, in my view, there is no such thing any more. In the old days, as well as the somewhat recent past, you could state with confidence that ST=1500, LT=2000, or something to that effect. You can also do this still (to some degree) with gogo girls. But with FLs, it does not work. We can still give you a ballpark figure (as you say), but there are many variables that will affect the price you ultimately arrive at.
1. Location. If you go to Spasso, you're looking at a minimum 5000 baht price tag, unless you are one charming mother fucker. If you go to Beer Garden, you could easily get 1500ST. Two years ago, I had no problem getting girls from Climaxx to go for 1000ST. That was very ST though: in and out, 1000 baht out the door, the girl goes right back to Climaxx. I don't think you can do that anymore, but for 1500 it's possible at Climaxx and Beer Garden, and probably Bangkok Beat (though I don't know that for sure). Also, if you find a SW on Suk, 1000 is not out of the question, though I have always been quoted 1500. To be honest, I ask the price, but I rarely partake in the SW scene.
So here is my estimation of prices (other members will surely correct me, if I estimate incorrectly). And keep in mind that the lower bound and upper bound are flexible, dependent on many factors, some of which are listed below.
Spasso (Hyatt Hotel): 5000-7000 baht.
Mixx (Intercontinental Hotel): 3000-5000 baht (maybe more, depending on the girl).
Levels (soi 11): 3000-5000 baht.
Bed Supper Club (soi 11): 3000-5000 baht.
Q Bar (soi 11): 2500-4000 baht.
Climax: (soi 11): 1500-4000 baht.
Beer Garden: 1500-3000 baht.
Nana Hotel Carpark: 1000-4000 baht.
SW on Suk: 1500-3000 baht.
I have not pulled anyone from Spicy or Bossy or RCA or Thermae for a few years, so don't know the most up to date figures. Others can correct the above, as I said, if I have made an error.
2. Time of the night. Early in the evening, you won't get girls going down to 1000 or 1500. Later in the night / morning, like 3 am or beyond, you might be able to close a deal for 1000ST at Climaxx. If you are doing LT, this is less of a variable, but may still be part of your calculation.
3. The girl. If she is super hot, young, well-dressed, etc. , you are not touching her for less than 4000-5000 baht. If has a hot body but an ugly face, you have a shot for 2000 I would say (just my guess, not possible to give you compelling evidence for this). If she has an ugly face, is awkward, acceptable body, then you have a chance at a real deal, I suppose, if all you care about is the money. But if she has a reasonable face, a reasonable body, and a reasonable attitude, I think you can expect to pay the figures I list above by location. There was a recent post here by Undercoverh describing a SW near Nana car park who was a teacher from Korat, and the gentleman had a great experience with her for 800 baht. But that dude knew what he was doing, and was far more in the know than me. My point is that the price was dictated by the gent knowing the girl's situation. Here is his report: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1896004&viewfull=1#post1896004.
4. Whether you pick her or she signals to you. In a nightclub, if you walk up to a girl without having established any chemistry with her, you will pay more. If, on the other hand, she has been glancing at you, or raises her drink to you, or somehow signals to you that you meet her fancy, then the price will be lower. I expect the spread to be a good 2000 baht, I. E. , if she likes you, she may ask for 3000, but if she does not, she may ask for 5000. So my recommendation is to not pick the hottest girl in the bunch, but to pick the hottest girl from amongst the ones that are showing you some attention. It has worked for me on many, many occasions.
5. You. If you smell, dress poorly, are over weight, give off a bad vibe, look stingy, etc. , you will be charged more. Nothing anyone of us can do about this, but we need to be aware that these girls have agency and they can select the guy they want to be intimate with. One way they do this, without straight-up rejecting you, is to offer a very high price. If you accept, then the unpleasant experience for her turns out to be a rent-covering experience. And if you turn her down, then there has been no conflict, and you move on.
6. Other factors. Is her rent due tomorrow? Does her family need more money than usual right now? Is she feeling cranky? Did her best friend just annoy her, putting her in a bad mood? Is she drunk? Did she just come back from ST with someone else? All these things will affect the price you can get, so the figures listed above may very well change. Nonetheless, in my opinion, these figures give a good estimate for what to expect.
Whatever the case, I (we) would appreciate it if you report back on your own experience (including what you actually paid), so we can see if these figures are indeed correct.
Christian G
07-15-16, 21:26
Bed Supper Club (soi 11): 3000-5000 baht.No longer exists, close at least 2 years ago. They re-open in soi 13 new name Chi Ultra Lounge.
No longer exists, close at least 2 years ago. They re-open in soi 13 new name Chi Ultra Lounge.Good to know, thanks. Is Q-Bar still running, do you know?
Blanquiceleste
07-16-16, 05:10
I agree, RTFF is not a very efficient way to get such information, sadly.
SNIP
Whatever the case, I (we) would appreciate it if you report back on your own experience (including what you actually paid), so we can see if these figures are indeed correct.This one is a gem. Nominating for the ROD thread.
Christian G
07-16-16, 07:53
Is Q-Bar still running, do you know?I don't know.
Member #4698
07-16-16, 13:07
Q bar is closed.
Gannaton48
07-16-16, 17:36
Was at Thermae this evening: very different from my last visit last November. Plenty of girls but surprisingly few asian customers, asian vs non -asian at best 50/50. Accordingly more girls were interested and I had no problem making my choice despite being an relatively old european. Rate was 2000, not negociable, but many nice girls even though not many "stunners". Young without exception.
Blanquiceleste
07-16-16, 18:32
Was at Thermae this evening: very different from my last visit last November. Plenty of girls but surprisingly few asian customers, asian vs non -asian at best 50/50. Accordingly more girls were interested and I had no problem making my choice despite being an relatively old european. Rate was 2000, not negociable, but many nice girls even though not many "stunners". Young without exception.Interesting shift in demographic. It can only mean good times lie ahead. The price of 2000, I presume is for ST (since they were all young) ? Any other collateral damages to consider?
Christian G
07-16-16, 19:16
WPlenty of girls but surprisingly few asian customers, asian vs non -asian at best 50/50.Last month, only 2 caucasian (me and another man), all other customer were asian.
The price of 2000, I presume is for ST (since they were all young) ?I been there last month and not all were young. I don't saw many "stunner".
Was at Thermae this evening: very different from my last visit last November. Plenty of girls but surprisingly few asian customers, asian vs non -asian at best 50/50. Accordingly more girls were interested and I had no problem making my choice despite being an relatively old european. Rate was 2000, not negociable, but many nice girls even though not many "stunners". Young without exception.I hope you are right, but I think it's more likely you were lucky!
I was there last October, and I was surprised at my success rate. Two days in a row, I was able to pick up the girl of my choice. I thought they were eye candy and gladly paid 2,500 bahts for ST. Fast forward to March of this year and it was just the opposite. I could not pull out a single decent looking girl. After 2 tries over different nights, I gave up on that place and went somewhere else. I just could not compete with some of the Asian customers.
Uncle Volodya
07-16-16, 23:38
Was at Thermae this evening: very different from my last visit last November. Plenty of girls but surprisingly few asian customers, asian vs non -asian at best 50/50. Accordingly more girls were interested and I had no problem making my choice despite being an relatively old european. Rate was 2000, not negociable, but many nice girls even though not many "stunners". Young without exception.I hope this shift holds up and is not just a fluke. Two of the hottest Thai girls I have ever been with were Thermae girls I hooked up with during my first trip to the LOS 8 years ago.
Blanquiceleste
07-17-16, 03:43
Two of the hottest Thai girls I have ever been with were Thermae girls I hooked up with during my first trip to the LOS 8 years ago.Wonder how they look now! I have had some pretty decent pulls from Thermae years ago when I stayed at Ruamchitt. Made perfect sense. Best pussy available in shortest time and distance at very favorable cost and effort. I remember them all as fondly as you do UncleV. These Thai girls I tell you. They get into your head faster than into your pants. Bloody hard to shake them off after. It has been a constant conflict with self to stay above all this and lead a happy single life.
Hi guys,
Recommend freelancer Pam (new photo after boob job) from craigslist. She gave me good service and sex. She's working with Tip now though have not tried her.
PM me for details.
Interesting shift in demographic. It can only mean good times lie ahead. The price of 2000, I presume is for ST (since they were all young) ? Any other collateral damages to consider?Something related to brexit somehow I think, not sure why the news covering this focuses on the Yen so much but it somehow moved sharply with the the brexit results.
Also, it appears that since 2010, Japan has been printing money (like many nations do, but this is newer for them) to try to boost their economy. It may be the fact that their party is nearing its end?
I wouldn't presume good times ahead as there could be a global recession in the works.
Crocodilexp
07-17-16, 20:19
I wouldn't presume good times ahead as there could be a global recession in the works.Not to take joy in anyone's pain, but a deep recession is just about the only thing that could potentially halt and maybe even briefly reverse the decline of the Thai sex scene. Would be better if it were local (as in 1997), not global.
Not to take joy in anyone's pain, but a deep recession is just about the only thing that could potentially halt and maybe even briefly reverse the decline of the Thai sex scene. Would be better if it were local (as in 1997), not global.And even that would probably only be temporary.
Crocodilexp
07-18-16, 02:15
And even that would probably only be temporary.True, but everything is temporary, including life itself. I'd be overjoyed if, say, a decent freelancer scene (as it was before 2010) came back for just 2-3 more years. Won't happen, I know.
True, but everything is temporary, including life itself. I'd be overjoyed if, say, a decent freelancer scene (as it was before 2010) came back for just 2-3 more years. Won't happen, I know.If they keep up the raids and suppress the freelance scenario, Thailand will become more like other countries where much of the business will go online. The websites will be hosted offshore and there will be nowhere for the authorities to raid.
Yes, the large massage places which are obviously offering something else may also get the push and they will evolve to being less obvious. You may have to say goodbye to the fishbowl, for instance.
It really depends on how far the authorities want to push this. At a guess, it won't be too far because of who makes money out of it and because after one or two shut-downs, the fun goes out of it as no money is made out of a raid anyway. Most thais don't care and it is not exactly a vote-grabber whenever they get around to that particular charade in the future.
True, but everything is temporary, including life itself. I'd be overjoyed if, say, a decent freelancer scene (as it was before 2010) came back for just 2-3 more years. Won't happen, I know.I'd be overjoyed as well. Would be a lot of fun!
Not to take joy in anyone's pain, but a deep recession is just about the only thing that could potentially halt and maybe even briefly reverse the decline of the Thai sex scene. Would be better if it were local (as in 1997), not global.Or a regional war!
Dear Members,
I landed in Bangkok today at looks like wrong time to be in Bangkok as its 5 days of holiday, all soy sukamvit area is deserted. I really like to have some fun but don't know what to do as most of the establishments are closed as no alcohol is served and its long holiday. Any pointers of help with PM is much appreciated.
Thanks.
Yash.
Mumbai Guy
07-18-16, 18:42
Dear Members,
I landed in Bangkok today at looks like wrong time to be in Bangkok as its 5 days of holiday, all soy sukamvit area is deserted. I really like to have some fun but don't know waht to do as most of the establishments are closed as no alcohole is served and its long holiday. Any pointers of help with PM is much appricited.
Thanks.
Yash.18th till 20th. Is public holiday in Thailand and alcohol sale is prohibited due to religious observance. Establishments will open on 21st. You can still find FLs on the road.
PerkinWarbeck
07-18-16, 19:46
Something related to brexit somehow I think, not sure why the news covering this focuses on the Yen so much but it somehow moved sharply with the the brexit results.
Also, it appears that since 2010, Japan has been printing money (like many nations do, but this is newer for them) to try to boost their economy. It may be the fact that their party is nearing its end?
I wouldn't presume good times ahead as there could be a global recession in the works.Japan has been in a deflationary economy for nearly 30 years, and the massive economic and monetary stimulus has yet to lift them out of it. Considering the yen is a safe haven currency, any poor global economic news should only strengthen it as investors flee to yen denominated assets.
What about Biergarten?
Dear Members,
I landed in Bangkok today at looks like wrong time to be in Bangkok as its 5 days of holiday, all soy sukamvit area is deserted. I really like to have some fun but don't know waht to do as most of the establishments are closed as no alcohole is served and its long holiday. Any pointers of help with PM is much appricited.
Thanks.
Yash..
HotShaneHot
07-19-16, 01:31
What about Biergarten?.Yes today and tomorrow is Buddha day's 19/20 it maybe open " the beer garden " but no beer ".
Member #4591
07-19-16, 05:10
Dear Members,
I landed in Bangkok today at looks like wrong time to be in Bangkok as its 5 days of holiday, all soy sukamvit area is deserted. I really like to have some fun but don't know waht to do as most of the establishments are closed as no alcohole is served and its long holiday. Any pointers of help with PM is much appricited.
Thanks.
Yash.Hit up we chat and the rest of the chat apps. Plenty of girls around. Also hit up the Suk massage places. The lineups will be lighter but don't worry. Climax and Mixx will be open tonight because they are hotel bars.
Member #4591
07-19-16, 05:17
Not to take joy in anyone's pain, but a deep recession is just about the only thing that could potentially halt and maybe even briefly reverse the decline of the Thai sex scene. Would be better if it were local (as in 1997), not global.Guys nothing will change too much! Maybe we will see a decline in P4 P offered on the premises and that should be the case. I for one am excited about this change. Soi Cowboy and Nana will always be here since no sex is on the premises, just girls working in the bars. They will have to cut out the nude or topless dancing though. The massage girls will flock to the go go bars and the freelance scene will increase 10 fold. Chat apps will be flooded with freelancers looking for customers and all will be normal. Normal bars will see a huge influx in business so the balance will be set and all will be happy. Any massage places will start to operate underground like in most countries. Who cares, compensate and enjoy Thailand, the girls are not going anywhere.
Has anyone tried their services? Any feedback would be appreciated.
Has anyone tried their services? Any feedback would be appreciated.Didn't you know about this thread? Lots of info here. Just search through
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2454-Bangkok-Escort-Agencies
So here is my estimation of prices (other members will surely correct me, if I estimate incorrectly). And keep in mind that the lower bound and upper bound are flexible, dependent on many factors, some of which are listed below. That is a good a synopsis of the price matrix that anyone is likely to ever put together.
Gannaton48
07-19-16, 09:33
Yes today and tomorrow is Buddha day's 19/20 it maybe open " the beer garden " but no beer ".I was just having a look: it is open until midnight. While it seemed to me that everybody was drinking water, at least one customer had a beer (maybe he brought it?
Gannaton48
07-19-16, 09:37
Was there again yesterday evening because Biergarten closed at midnight; this time the offer was'nt good, frankly. There were also many more asians than last saturdya but still quite many non-asians. COuld'nt find any interesting girl or too expensive (3 K), which I would never spend for this basic quality of girls. Finally found one outside, nothing fantastic, but a bit funny: a "real" freelancer" not very used to that. At the bitter end, a fuck is a fuck, right?
Finally found one outside, nothing fantastic, but a bit funny: a "real" freelancer" not very used to that. At the bitter end, a fuck is a fuck, right?I find that (generally) the pros keep the kitty area anywhere from neatly trimmed to bald; where as with a true "real" Thai freelancer it is advisable to have a machete at the ready.
SL.
Somewhere15
07-19-16, 20:12
Yes today and tomorrow is Buddha day's 19/20 it maybe open " the beer garden " but no beer ".Currently I am not in Thailand but I remember from Buddhist holidays last December. Alcohol is forbidden but not in International Hotel chains; so Spasso was open that day and they are giving alcohol while Soi Cowboy earlier that evening was nearly dead.
Someone from Spasso staff told me: we can give alcohol because we are part of a International Hotel chain and that customers would not understand when that didn't have alcohol.
Some days later I spoke someone else who mentioned yes: same for Climax (Ambassador Hotel) or Levels opposite of the street (Westin Hotel), but she doubt if it was a rule: she mentioned more that (even under the current Military coupe) some police stations where willing to accept "influence" money.
If this is still current practice it means not everything is dead on a Buddhist holiday.
In 3 weeks time I am back for 2 months; as far as my calendar tells me: no buddhist holidays.
Dextro Sol
07-20-16, 15:02
I'm discussing prostitution in Thailand with some friends. They say both prostitution and buying sex is illegal in Thailand. From what I have heard buying sex is not illegal, but selling sex (I. E. Prostitution) is illegal.
Can you experts enlighten us?
Hi guys,
More photos to share.
Thanks.
This one is a gem. Nominating for the ROD thread.Thanks for all the info posted. Nothing surprised me but as I mentioned, haven't been in bkk for years so didn't want to spoil your market by overpaying.
Will report on whatever action I find. Staying at suk15, and most likely will be checking thermae and bg. Not really into soapies, although there was a time.
And I agree, would be nice to have a sticky.
GauravFalcon
07-20-16, 19:45
Hi guys,
More photos to share.
Thanks.Hello Dashy,
I am new to this forum. Request if you could share some pointers for right places to visit in Bangkok and applicable charges for ST / LT.
If you could share any contact of a goof indie in BKK Skumvit area I would be grateful. Thanking you in advance.
Regarding Thermae again:
snip.... Finally found one outside, nothing fantastic, but a bit funny: a "real" freelancer" not very used to that. At the bitter end, a fuck is a fuck, right?I've had the impression that the large majority outside Thermae were ladyboys. And I have ignored any and all FL just outside milling about and available. Mistake??
I'm discussing prostitution in Thailand with some friends. They say both prostitution and buying sex is illegal in Thailand. From what I have heard buying sex is not illegal, but selling sex (I. E. Prostitution) is illegal.
Can you experts enlighten us?This has been discussed a lot by several members, me included. Scan the General thread and you'll find the discussions.
The summary. The consensus is that it is legal unless you flagrantly advertise oneself.
I laud your divine perception connected with the statement that "it's true" that scamming is driven by South Asian customers without a shred of evidence, but then, I guess you can't expect much more from a cheapskate lacking in judgement / education.
Unlike you, however, I'm not going to tar the entire inhabitants of the hole you crawled out of.
Agree on customers not willing to express dissatisfaction with service. That said there are customers who take advantage and girls who do not deliver as promised. Hard to say which is more prevalent or how frequent either happens. Providers not meeting expectations is quite often down to a lack of communication between parties not agreeing in some detail what boxes she is willing to tick. For obvious reasons younger girls are significantly more likely to disappoint both in skill set and attitude making it all the more important to have a conversation with management about what service you expect and whether she is willing to provide it..
Regarding Thermae again:
I've had the impression that the large majority outside Thermae were ladyboys. And I have ignored any and all FL just outside milling about and available. Mistake??I think your impression is correct. Thermae watchdogs try to keep ladyboys out of the place so instead the ladyboys mill around outside looking to catch an incoming or outcoming customer. But there are usually some real females milling around outside, too, hoping to do the same thing. Seems to me many of the real girls milling around outside Thermae are chain smokers who must station themselves outside in order to light up every 10 minutes.
I'm discussing prostitution in Thailand with some friends. They say both prostitution and buying sex is illegal in Thailand. From what I have heard buying sex is not illegal, but selling sex (I. E. Prostitution) is illegal.
Can you experts enlighten us?They are wrong. Prostitution is not per se illegal. However, solicitation and creating a public nuisance is.
Banana Boi
07-21-16, 04:06
Was at Thermae this evening: very different from my last visit last November. Plenty of girls but surprisingly few asian customers, asian vs non -asian at best 50/50. Accordingly more girls were interested and I had no problem making my choice despite being an relatively old european. Rate was 2000, not negociable, but many nice girls even though not many "stunners". Young without exception.50-50 Asians vs. Non-Asians seems extremely odd for Thermae. Every time I've been there I can count non-Asians with my fingers.
The current thermae rate is 2000? No wonder my girls love me I have been paying 2500! Can I ask how long the ST lasted for 2000? I ask because I see some Thermae girls leave with a guy and return in just over an hour. One of the really hot ones I like was scratched off my TDL because of this.
I think your impression is correct. Thermae watchdogs try to keep ladyboys out of the place so instead the ladyboys mill around outside looking to catch an incoming or outcoming customer. But there are usually some real females milling around outside, too, hoping to do the same thing. Seems to me many of the real girls milling around outside Thermae are chain smokers who must station themselves outside in order to light up every 10 minutes.I picked up my Thermae girl outside in the food stand eating. I was looking at her and she waved me over to eat with her, having recognized me from inside. You are correct they are not all ladyboys outside but many are.
The current thermae rate is 2000? No wonder my girls love me I have been paying 2500! Can I ask how long the ST lasted for 2000? I ask because I see some Thermae girls leave with a guy and return in just over an hour. One of the really hot ones I like was scratched off my TDL because of this. I have paid 2,500 for ST with attractive young girls in Thermae over the past few months. But I have also paid 2,000. I take them to my apartment and it has never been as short a session as 1 hour, more like at least two hours excluding the travel time ((10-12 minute walk) to my apartment. I should add that I am getting a level of service that is, as far as I have read on these message boards, a bit of a higher standard than the usual covered everything / no BBBJ foreplay / no BBBJ + CIM stuff in the field reports. Personally, I wouldn't pay as much as 500 for that kind of service from a Thermae girl.
I don't think 2,500 is an unreasonable amount for what I have gotten in terms of quality of service and time spent with attractive young Thermae freelancers compared with what one generally pays your typical below average in looks freelancer on the street and certainly compared with what one pays your typical Soi Cowboy / Nana Plaza go-go dancer all in.
ALSO. If I may say so, it is those of us old farangs (LOL) who are occasionally parting with an IMO reasonable 2,500 for better than average service with these attractive young Thermae girls that has contributed to what I perceive as a notable increase in those girls' interest in choosing old farangs over the Japanese / Asian customer lately! It is my opinion that very few Japanese dudes pay those girls MORE than 2,500 and in all likelihood probably pay them closer to 2,000 or less. Yes, or less. But when the girls ONLY go with Japanese customers on the mistaken assumption that they will be paid more from them and never even smile at, talk to or try a farang customer, they have no idea that the farang customer is every bit as likely to pay them 2,000-2,500 if not more likely to do so than their Japanese counterparts.
But, as always, it is foolish to routinely negotiate on price alone without even mentioning the level of service you would expect for it. Unless, as I have also mentioned, you are so smitten by a particular girl that you must be alone and naked with her in the room no matter what happens there, even if you don't get your rocks off this particular session and you only eat her pussy, but are willing to take the risk that the chemistry will just click for all options on the table once you get there. That happens. I wouldn't count on it happening routinely. But it happens. And sometimes the rewards for taking that risk are quite nice.
Member #4591
07-21-16, 06:38
50-50 Asians vs. Non-Asians seems extremely odd for Thermae. Every time I've been there I can count non-Asians with my fingers.
The current thermae rate is 2000? No wonder my girls love me I have been paying 2500! Can I ask how long the ST lasted for 2000? I ask because I see some Thermae girls leave with a guy and return in just over an hour. One of the really hot ones I like was scratched off my TDL because of this.
I picked up my Thermae girl outside in the food stand eating. I was looking at her and she waved me over to eat with her, having recognized me from inside. You are correct they are not all ladyboys outside but many are.I hate to break the news to you. No girl is going to love you because you pay an extra 500 Baht over the going rate. It must have been your good looks! 😜.
Member #4591
07-21-16, 06:42
Hello Dashy,
I am new to this forum. Request if you could share some pointers for right places to visit in Bangkok and applicable charges for ST / LT.
If you could share any contact of a goof indie in BKK Skumvit area I would be grateful. Thanking you in advance.I think you wouldn't be asking that question if you read the forum. The first thing I did as a new member was read the forum, you would be surprised at the wealth of information.
Wolvenvacht
07-21-16, 08:16
I'm discussing prostitution in Thailand with some friends. They say both prostitution and buying sex is illegal in Thailand. From what I have heard buying sex is not illegal, but selling sex (I. E. Prostitution) is illegal.
Can you experts enlighten us?Prostitution is not illegal in Thailand, neither from the selling side, nor from the buying side.
However:
* brothels are illegal (but some manage by having some kind of "entertainment" license).
* openly and wantonly solliciting in public (both from selling and buying side) is illegal (but the fines are dirt cheap and rarely if ever applied for buyers).
* lewd behavior in public is illegal.
* pimping is illegal.
* u_n_d_e_r_a_g_e sex is illegal.
* non-thai hookers are breaking all kind of immigration and work-permit rules.
In other words: behave discretely (as the Thai do) and all is fine.
New name, new look, new management. But still Soi 7/1. Come take a look.
Regards,
BJ
In other words: behave discretely (as the Thai do) and all is fine.Exactly, Just adapt to the behavior of NEP, Soi cowboy, Soi Nana.
The essence of discretion in term of sex industry.
LOL.
Blanquiceleste
07-21-16, 16:12
I think you wouldn't be asking that question if you read the forum. The first thing I did as a new member was read the forum, you would be surprised at the wealth of information.Bkkdog don't waste your time and bandwidth. This member appears to be another one of those "managers" who contribute nothing, read nothing but ask contact numbers of freelancers. Best to ignore.
Friends,
Could any please let me know, is August 2nd Week is Right time to visit Bangkok for Mongering, any holidays or shut down of go go bars.
Member #4591
07-21-16, 16:49
Soi 7/1 is in action again!
JamesRider
07-21-16, 21:50
New name, new look, new management. But still Soi 7/1. Come take a look.
Regards,
BJI plan to, Dr! My first ever trip to Thailand starts in a few weeks and I'm trying to ensure I hit the ground rolling. So, as the proprietor of the most famous BJ bar in BKK, who would you recommend as giving the finest BJ in the place?
Soi 7/1 is in action again!Please elaborate. Weren't Dr. BJ's Nuru and Dr BJ Salon were gutted to the wall as I understood it (photo's). So what happened? Remodel? I thought they were the new poster child for shutting down business.
Dextro Sol
07-22-16, 01:45
Prostitution is not illegal in Thailand, neither from the selling side, nor from the buying side.
However:
* brothels are illegal (but some manage by having some kind of "entertainment" license).
* openly and wantonly solliciting in public (both from selling and buying side) is illegal (but the fines are dirt cheap and rarely if ever applied for buyers).
* lewd behavior in public is illegal.
* pimping is illegal.
* u_n_d_e_r_a_g_e sex is illegal.
* non-thai hookers are breaking all kind of immigration and work-permit rules.
In other words: behave discretely (as the Thai do) and all is fine.Thank you Wolvenvacht for clearifying this!!
What's the recent pricing you've found in Bangkok gogo bars? Want to add to this list so that we have a reference point for barfines and ST / LT at the different gogos?
Crazy House. BF 700. ST 3000 with #90 "Pink". The mami with the long face and glasses wanted 1000 for BF plus 3000 girl's ST, all prepaid. I got into an argument with her and later paid 700 BF to a different mami, girl was paid separately afterwards. I remember BF being 600 previously and girls being in the 2500 range ST. But this girl was great, cute, real spinner and a good fuck. By the way, didn't know there is a restaurant up on the 4th floor of Crazy House. Food was not bad. What are the recent amounts everyone's paid for BF and ST / LT at Crazy House?Kajos asked this question a month ago and got little feedback. Syzygies, maybe you are best placed to answer the going rate for ST / LT at CH, although others regulars may know.
I was there last week with the beautiful #72 and she wanted 3000 B ST and I dared not ask about long time.
Last night I went to Spanky's and had the young, tiny live wire, Joy quoting me 5000 B LT. Said she didn't like short time. Even though she's a wild girl girl I balked at the price, especially for a flat chested girl. Last week I took another Spanky's girl LT for 3000 B.
The pick of the girls I took last week in BKK was actually a SW. For a few days I'd been seeing a pretty blondish girl working across the road from me as I drank at a beer bar just outside Nana Plaza. Clearly she was popular and attractive but SW's are not normally my style.
Intrigued by what I saw I decided my style needed to change, even only temporarily, so I approached her and she said 1300 B ST. When I countered with 1000 B she immediately accepted so maybe you can do a little better than that, I don't know.
We went to a nearby ST hotel and her naked body looked good, the BBBJ great and the sex unrushed and fun. I'll probably repeat with her at some stage but there were maybe another one or two who looked OK also.
JoeAnt1966
07-22-16, 10:19
I agree, RTFF is not a very efficient way to get such information, sadly. Perhaps having a permanent sticky thread for such info would be useful, but that's not my call.
The places that Uncle V and BKKDog list are an excellent set. As to your question of standard price, in my view, there is no such thing any more. In the old days, as well as the somewhat recent past, you could state with confidence that ST=1500, LT=2000, or something to that effect. You can also do this still (to some degree) with gogo girls. But with FLs, it does not work. We can still give you a ballpark figure (as you say), but there are many variables that will affect the price you ultimately arrive at.
1. Location. If you go to Spasso, you're looking at a minimum 5000 baht price tag, unless you are one charming mother fucker. If you go to Beer Garden, you could easily get 1500ST. Two years ago, I had no problem getting girls from Climaxx to go for 1000ST. That was very ST though: in and out, 1000 baht out the door, the girl goes right back to Climaxx. I don't think you can do that anymore, but for 1500 it's possible at Climaxx and Beer Garden, and probably Bangkok Beat (though I don't know that for sure). Also, if you find a SW on Suk, 1000 is not out of the question, though I have always been quoted 1500. To be honest, I ask the price, but I rarely partake in the SW scene.
So here is my estimation of prices (other members will surely correct me, if I estimate incorrectly). And keep in mind that the lower bound and upper bound are flexible, dependent on many factors, some of which are listed below.
Spasso (Hyatt Hotel): 5000-7000 baht.
Mixx (Intercontinental Hotel): 3000-5000 baht (maybe more, depending on the girl).
Levels (soi 11): 3000-5000 baht...I am new to this forum. I am visiting Bangkok in December. I want to know if the massage spas in 5 start hotels offer extras? I am planning to stay in Renaissance or Hilton. Please advice soon.
I plan to, Dr! My first ever trip to Thailand starts in a few weeks and I'm trying to ensure I hit the ground rolling. So, as the proprietor of the most famous BJ bar in BKK, who would you recommend as giving the finest BJ in the place?That's not an easy question to answer as different people like different styles and I am unaware of your preference. What I can say is that one of the most popular ladies is letter G who not only speaks impeccable English but gets a lot of repeat customers.
Regards,
BJ
Member #4674
07-22-16, 12:20
Discovered a picture of a premise from a forum and it doesn't mentioned the name only can see the word "RED" in the picture.
If any senior expert know where is it? If it is in Bangkok?
Thanks in advance.
Member #4591
07-22-16, 14:02
I plan to, Dr! My first ever trip to Thailand starts in a few weeks and I'm trying to ensure I hit the ground rolling. So, as the proprietor of the most famous BJ bar in BKK, who would you recommend as giving the finest BJ in the place?Get out of here Mr. Ryder. Don't think for a second we don't see through your fake monger profile.
Member #4591
07-22-16, 14:04
Please elaborate. Weren't Dr. BJ's Nuru and Dr BJ Salon were gutted to the wall as I understood it (photo's). So what happened? Remodel? I thought they were the new poster child for shutting down business.It goes to show you can't always believe what you read and what uninformed people say.
It goes to show you can't always believe what you read and what uninformed people say.Closure was a fact.
Disappearing of any Dr BJ referral from Annie's webpage another fact.
I am new to this forum. I am visiting Bangkok in December. I want to know if the massage spas in 5 start hotels offer extras? I am planning to stay in Renaissance or Hilton. Please advice soon.Here is a classic example of a leach. Go back and look at JoeAnts posts, not one of them offered any Intel whatsoever on any thread worldwide. How about you make a contribution to this or some other forum? Until then you can go stick your request up your a $$ sir.
Banana Boi
07-22-16, 18:51
Discovered a picture of a premise from a forum and it doesn't mentioned the name only can see the word "RED" in the picture.
If any senior expert know where is it? If it is in Bangkok?
Why are you looking for the girl (guy?)? Chances are she was a barfined gogo girl and not a girl who plies her trade at that bar.
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