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Alright so a guy only has so much willpower, mine was never plentiful anyway.
Tonight I went back to CH and payed my 3000 B for girl #72, Nut. Having been there a number of times in the last month Nut stands out to me as easily the most attractive to my eye, only problem being that she always dances in a bikini.
After the obligatory tequilas we were shortly on the way to my hotel and I must say that Nut lost none of her charm when we left CH as some girls do. Chatty and funny Nut was easy to talk to and once we arrived in the room there was no rush from her whatsoever despite it being a busy Firiday night.
We probably chatted on the sofa for 20 minutes or so before showers and down to action. There were two things in particular that will stick in my mind for ever. One was the terrible boob job Nut had. Clearly she's aware of that hence the wearing of the bikini to cover that up. Seriously, the surgeon that left her with such a disfigurement should be shot and if he survives he should be shot again. Harsh I know but nobody should do such a thing to another human being.
Back to the action, the other thing that will stay in my mind is the sight of Nut's spectacular body before me as I was about to commence doggy. The most perfect ass, delightfully tanned skin, a waist I can almost get my hands around, a lean and tight torso leading up to an almost pixie haircut, her face turning to look at mine with that desperation to continue that session. Hey, those of us without too much ego know it's mostly an acting job they perform but what the hell, she should win an Oscar for the performance she put in. Beautiful memories.
Wolvenvacht
07-22-16, 20:00
I am new to this forum. I am visiting Bangkok in December. I want to know if the massage spas in 5 start hotels offer extras? I am planning to stay in Renaissance or Hilton. Please advice soon.The best way to find out is: as soon as she is in the room with you, pull out your dick and start jerking off. If she doesn't call security then there is a good chance she's in for extras.
I am new to this forum. I am visiting Bangkok in December. I want to know if the massage spas in 5 start hotels offer extras? I am planning to stay in Renaissance or Hilton. Please advice soon.Yo JoeAnt, I'm a loyal Hilton Honors customer and love holing up at both the Hilton and the Doubletree located back to back in BKK.
I haven't used the any of the in house massage services, because they cost more, and I am at ground zero for many of the 2 k Baht MP's.
Most are open from 11 am to midnight daily. I just roaming the alleyways and street popping my "head" and eyes inside for a look see?
I have my sexual vices, so if I like a particular masseuse therapist? And like to see if she accommodates my vices?
Have fun and enjoy, I always do.
Alright so a guy only has so much willpower, mine was never plentiful anyway.
Tonight I went back to CH and payed my 3000 B for girl #72, Nut. Having been there a number of times in the last month Nut stands out to me as easily the most attractive to my eye, only problem being that she always dances in a bikini.Grrr, excellent report. I mean, excellent report, Grrr. Hmm, hard to make myself not sound angry. But you must get that a lot.
We probably chatted on the sofa for 20 minutes or so before showers and down to action. That always bodes well. When the girl is eager to get to the action, it is usually very perfunctory and not very memorable.
There were two things in particular that will stick in my mind for ever. One was the terrible boob job Nut had. Clearly she's aware of that hence the wearing of the bikini to cover that up. Seriously, the surgeon that left her with such a disfigurement should be shot and if he survives he should be shot again. Harsh I know but nobody should do such a thing to another human being.I think I saw her the last time I was there, in mid-June. If this is the same girl, yikes, I agree with you 100%. I saw several such butcher jobs at CH as well as Baccara, it's very sad.
The most perfect ass, delightfully tanned skin, a waist I can almost get my hands around, a lean and tight torso leading up to an almost pixie haircut, her face turning to look at mine with that desperation to continue that session. Hey, those of us without too much ego know it's mostly an acting job they perform but what the hell, she should win an Oscar for the performance she put in. Beautiful memories.That's what I'm talking about. Good times, good times. Thanks for the report.
It goes to show you can't always believe what you read and what uninformed people say.Bkkdog, hey man, specifically, I'd read Stickboy Bangkok July 8th article and accompaning photographs showing nothing but a shell. https://www.stickboybangkok.com/news/dr-bjs-shutdown-authorities/.
Just clarifying if both establishments are open for business? Same name?
Member #4591
07-23-16, 09:04
Bkkdog, hey man, specifically, I'd read Stickboy Bangkok July 8th article and accompaning photographs showing nothing but a shell. https://www.stickboybangkok.com/news/dr-bjs-shutdown-authorities/.
Just clarifying if both establishments are open for business? Same name?It's called renovations.
Discovered a picture of a premise from a forum and it doesn't mentioned the name only can see the word "RED" in the picture.
If any senior expert know where is it? If it is in Bangkok?
Thanks in advance.That looks like a normal music beer bar anywhere in Bangkok, especially in Ramkanghaeng or Lad Phrao zone where the universities are. Those places are frequently mostly by Thais, you rarely see a farang there around. RED doesn't helps anything, as its a commercial for booze you can see often at bars.
Closure was a fact.
Disappearing of any Dr BJ referral from Annie's webpage another fact.Facts are prickly things LOL. Between the repeatedly false narratives, fake posters, and fawning sycophant apologists the cred here is close to zero.
SL.
Member #4591
07-23-16, 11:22
Discovered a picture of a premise from a forum and it doesn't mentioned the name only can see the word "RED" in the picture.
If any senior expert know where is it? If it is in Bangkok?
Thanks in advance.On Ekamie.
Franciscass
07-23-16, 13:26
Facts are prickly things LOL. Between the repeatedly false narratives, fake posters, and fawning sycophant apologists the cred here is close to zero.
SL.You took the words out of my mouth Sunlover.
JamesRider
07-24-16, 01:29
That's not an easy question to answer as different people like different styles and I am unaware of your preference. What I can say is that one of the most popular ladies is letter G who not only speaks impeccable English but gets a lot of repeat customers.
Regards,
BJWell I'm not sure I have a preference but I have heard Thai Hooker blowjob can be special so I wanted to get some recs on the best purveyors from people in the know. Thanks for the tip. Hopefully Miss G is available when I get there.
JamesRider
07-24-16, 01:40
Hi guys,
Recommend freelancer Pam (new photo after boob job) from craigslist. She gave me good service and sex. She's working with Tip now though have not tried her.
PM me for details.Can't seem to find the PM option on my phone. Anyway, I'm interested in booking Pam and Tip so please give me more details if you can.
Thanks in advance.
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Prostitution is not illegal in Thailand, neither from the selling side, nor from the buying side.
In other words: behave discretely (as the Thai do) and all is fine.This is incorrect as I have stated before. Prostitution is illegal. However it is tolerated.
Last night was Saturday night and instead of doing the usual rounds I went out on a date with a "good girl" as some here like to call them. Most of they guys that go for this type of girl probably do it either because they're looking for a girlfriend of some kind or are after sex without handing over $$ to a bargirl thereby justifying to themselves that they don't always pay for sex in Thailand. Due to the fact I do not live in Thailand and have in the past failed at long distance relationships I fell into the second catagory.
About 9 months ago I met Miss see on Tinder and messages shot back and forth until there was a meeting arranged, which due to circumstances did not end up happening at that time. Fast forward to last month and we eventually caught up over coffee. That went ok but probably a little stiff, like you were going out on your first date ever as a teenager.
Yesterday we got back in contact and arranged another date and it went well. We went for dinner to a restaurant she suggested, we drank a bottle of wine, several contails and had a good time talking before we called for the check. After that we went to a pub nearby and it was only on the walk over there that I realised that I was quite tipsy.
Inhibitions reduced things started to get hotter between us inside the pub where we played pool and drank a couple of beers. Despite us getting a little up close and personal I did not get the feel that she wanted to join me in my hotel. After maybe 2 hours I realised that although things were kind of moving in the right direction, Miss see had clearly had a lot to drink, me too, but I totally despise guys who take advantage of drunk girls on the premise that they were drunk too. I knew what I was doing and I said it was probably time we went home. Obviously if Miss see had suggested she come to my hotel I would have accepted, but I wasn't going to ask under circumstances.
Anyway I know I've rambled on here and some of you may have thought the moral of the story here is not to take advantage of drunk girls, it's not. The moral of the story is that if you are really looking for sex tonight then don't bother with a good girl, just take a hooker, it will save you time and money. With dinner, wine, coctails, beer etc I spent nearly 5 K last night and I slept alone.
Last night was Saturday night and instead of doing the usual rounds I went out on a date with a "good girl" as some here like to call them. Most of they guys that go for this type of girl probably do it either because they're looking for a girlfriend of some kind or are after sex without handing over $$ to a bargirl thereby justifying to themselves that they don't always pay for sex in Thailand. Due to the fact I do not live in Thailand and have in the past failed at long distance relationships I fell into the second catagory.
About 9 months ago I met Miss see on Tinder and messages shot back and forth until there was a meeting arranged, which due to circumstances did not end up happening at that time. Fast forward to last month and we eventually caught up over coffee. That went ok but probably a little stiff, like you were going out on your first date ever as a teenager.
Yesterday we got back in contact and arranged another date and it went well. We went for dinner to a restaurant she suggested, we drank a bottle of wine, several contails and had a good time talking before we called for the check..Haha, nice story mate. Don't take it to serious (it seems you don't) and don't forget, probably more as the half of the 5 K you spent for yourself. The rest was good time and a good company. Isn't that worth something?
Member #4591
07-24-16, 11:50
Last night was Saturday night and instead of doing the usual rounds I went out on a date with a "good girl" as some here like to call them. Most of they guys that go for this type of girl probably do it either because they're looking for a girlfriend of some kind or are after sex without handing over $$ to a bargirl thereby justifying to themselves that they don't always pay for sex in Thailand. Due to the fact I do not live in Thailand and have in the past failed at long distance relationships I fell into the second catagory.
About 9 months ago I met Miss see on Tinder and messages shot back and forth until there was a meeting arranged, which due to circumstances did not end up happening at that time. Fast forward to last month and we eventually caught up over coffee. That went ok but probably a little stiff, like you were going out on your first date ever as a teenager.
Yesterday we got back in contact and arranged another date and it went well. We went for dinner to a restaurant she suggested, we drank a bottle of wine, several contails and had a good time talking before we called for the check. After that we went to a pub nearby and it was only on the walk over there that I realised that I was quite tipsy.
Inhibitions reduced things started to get hotter between us inside the pub where we played pool and drank a couple of beers. Despite us getting a little up close and personal I did not get the feel that she wanted to join me in my hotel. After maybe 2 hours I realised that although things were kind of moving in the right direction, Miss see had clearly had a lot to drink, me too, but I totally despise guys who take advantage of drunk girls on the premise that they were drunk too. I knew what I was doing and I said it was probably time we went home. Obviously if Miss see had suggested she come to my hotel I would have accepted, but I wasn't going to ask under circumstances.
Anyway I know I've rambled on here and some of you may have thought the moral of the story here is not to take advantage of drunk girls, it's not. The moral of the story is that if you are really looking for sex tonight then don't bother with a good girl, just take a hooker, it will save you time and money. With dinner, wine, coctails, beer etc I spent nearly 5 K last night and I slept alone.The true moral of this story is good Thai girls don't ask to go to your hotel. Next time invite her over, sleep off the boose with a good cuddle session and take care of business in the morning. End of story.
Another moral might be you are clearly a gentleman and not a sleaze. I've had so called mates essentially r-a-p-e drunk female friends whenever they felt it was their prerogative.
Last night was Saturday night and instead of doing the usual rounds I went out on a date with a "good girl" as some here like to call them. Most of they guys that go for this type of girl probably do it either because they're looking for a girlfriend of some kind or are after sex without handing over $$ to a bargirl thereby justifying to themselves that they don't always pay for sex in Thailand. Due to the fact I do not live in Thailand and have in the past failed at long distance relationships I fell into the second catagory.
About 9 months ago I met Miss see on Tinder and messages shot back and forth until there was a meeting arranged, which due to circumstances did not end up happening at that time. Fast forward to last month and we eventually caught up over coffee. That went ok but probably a little stiff, like you were going out on your first date ever as a teenager.
Yesterday we got back in contact and arranged another date and it went well. We went for dinner to a restaurant she suggested, we drank a bottle of wine, several contails and had a good time talking before we called for the check. After that we went to a pub nearby and it was only on the walk over there that I realised that I was quite tipsy.
Inhibitions reduced things started to get hotter between us inside the pub where we played pool and drank a couple of beers. Despite us getting a little up close and personal I did not get the feel that she wanted to join me in my hotel. After maybe 2 hours I realised that although things were kind of moving in the right direction, Miss see had clearly had a lot to drink, me too, but I totally despise guys who take advantage of drunk girls on the premise that they were drunk too. I knew what I was doing and I said it was probably time we went home. Obviously if Miss see had suggested she come to my hotel I would have accepted, but I wasn't going to ask under circumstances.
Anyway I know I've rambled on here and some of you may have thought the moral of the story here is not to take advantage of drunk girls, it's not. The moral of the story is that if you are really looking for sex tonight then don't bother with a good girl, just take a hooker, it will save you time and money. With dinner, wine, coctails, beer etc I spent nearly 5 K last night and I slept alone.
Wolvenvacht
07-24-16, 12:14
Anyway I know I've rambled on here and some of you may have thought the moral of the story here is not to take advantage of drunk girls, it's not. The moral of the story is that if you are really looking for sex tonight then don't bother with a good girl, just take a hooker, it will save you time and money. With dinner, wine, coctails, beer etc I spent nearly 5 K last night and I slept alone. Absolutely! If you are dating "good girls" but your target is to have easy and cheap sex, you are on the wrong track.
On the other hand, some of the best sex I've ever had is with my present Thai "good girl" GF.
Discovered a picture of a premise from a forum and it doesn't mentioned the name only can see the word "RED" in the picture.
If any senior expert know where is it? If it is in Bangkok?
Thanks in advance.Red is the Tawandang venue on Chaeng Wattana, Pak Kret. It is a favorite P4 P ladies hang out when they are off duty.
Member #4674
07-24-16, 13:26
Red is the Tawandang venue on Chaeng Wattana, Pak Kret. It is a favorite P4 P ladies hang out when they are off duty.Really appreciate your help, would like to hit it in winter on my trip.
Facts are prickly things LOL. Between the repeatedly false narratives, fake posters, and fawning sycophant apologists the cred here is close to zero.
SL.And now the premises are working again, new names, new decoration, same girls, prices and services as before.
New ownership.
The major stake holder sold his share of the business and retained the name under his ownership.
That can only mean he still finds some value in Dr. BJ brand. Despite all our assumptions and speculations?
I am new to this forum. I am visiting Bangkok in December. I want to know if the massage spas in 5 start hotels offer extras? I am planning to stay in Renaissance or Hilton. Please advice soon.You have a food 4 months to RTFF and you want advice soon?
You got BKK and want to stay secluded inside an hotel? For that you can go anywhere in the world.
Each one his own, of course.
The action in BKK is searched outside the hotel.
Prostitution is not illegal in Thailand, neither from the selling side, nor from the buying side.
However:
* openly and wantonly solliciting in public (both from selling and buying side) is illegal (but the fines are dirt cheap and rarely if ever applied for buyers).I've been told by the beach road (Pattaya) girls that the fine is now applied at a rate of 1,000 baht. Most definitely not cheap. Many girls have ceased attempting to ply their trade there due to this extreme & frequent cost. (Whether it's an actual "fine" or just a shakedown I can't say). They did say that those who can't pay - and there are many - end up in the monkey house for an extended stay.
This is incorrect as I have stated before. Prostitution is illegal. However it is tolerated.Actually if you will read the three laws / acts pertaining to prostitution you will find that it is a grey area and not specifically illegal per se.
Last night was Saturday night and instead of doing the usual rounds I went out on a date with a "good girl" as some here like to call them. ...
Anyway I know I've rambled on here and some of you may have thought the moral of the story here is not to take advantage of drunk girls, it's not. The moral of the story is that if you are really looking for sex tonight then don't bother with a good girl, just take a hooker, it will save you time and money. With dinner, wine, coctails, beer etc I spent nearly 5 K last night and I slept alone.So you went to sleep with some heavy balls and a light wallet. It has happened to the best of us, and it has happened to me too. I did much the same thing back in 2007, and then again in 2009, and then once more in 2010. Each time it was slightly different, and I did end up bedding the lady once (2009). But predictably, it turned into a complicated soap opera, and I'm glad all that stuff is behind me now. But I have to say that despite ending up, like you, with the heavy balls at the end of the evening (in 2007 and 2010), there was a definite thrill to the whole thing. It's somewhere between P4 P and the real pursuit of a girl, and I think that's because we assume Thai women are somehow easier than western women. In any case, my point: even though it seems like a waste of money and waste of time, I think you probably did get something out of it.
Regardless, got to say, I'm loving your reports. Thanks.
So you went to sleep with some heavy balls and a light wallet. It has happened to the best of us, and it has happened to me too. I did much the same thing back in 2007, and then again in 2009, and then once more in 2010. Each time it was slightly different, and I did end up bedding the lady once (2009). But predictably, it turned into a complicated soap opera, and I'm glad all that stuff is behind me now. But I have to say that despite ending up, like you, with the heavy balls at the end of the evening (in 2007 and 2010), there was a definite thrill to the whole thing. It's somewhere between P4 P and the real pursuit of a girl, and I think that's because we assume Thai women are somehow easier than western women. In any case, my point: even though it seems like a waste of money and waste of time, I think you probably did get something out of it.
Regardless, got to say, I'm loving your reports. Thanks.Haha yeah, it IS a thrill.
But Kumbu, you may try it again. Time has changed a lot in Thailand. I have the impression just lately the Thai women's start to enjoy themselves and don't give much a fuss about tradition and what should be in old fashion way. They just want to have fun and good company. If they get this, many are eager to give a guy company, strictly NSA from themselves. I don't remember such things 5 to 10 years back, not to talk 20 years ago.
Wolvenvacht
07-25-16, 19:54
This is incorrect as I have stated before. Prostitution is illegal. However it is tolerated.You are wrong and clearly you did not read the legal texts. Stop spreading this false information.
Wolvenvacht
07-25-16, 20:00
Actually if you will read the three laws / acts pertaining to prostitution you will find that it is a grey area and not specifically illegal per se.You don't have to mince your words. Laoman doesn't know what he is talking about.
Simple prostiution is not illegal in Thailand and the area is not grey at all. It is very clear in that respect. Certain behaviours related to prostitution are illegal and that may confuse people, but for lawyers the issue about the legality of prostitution per se is clear and not "grey" at all.
By coincidence the Thai legal situation is not much dissimilar to the Belgian situation, so I know what I'm talking about.
You don't have to mince your words. Laoman doesn't know what he is talking about.
Simple prostiution is not illegal in Thailand and the area is not grey at all. It is very clear in that respect. Certain behaviours related to prostitution are illegal and that may confuse people, but for lawyers the issue about the legality of prostitution per se is clear and not "grey" at all.
By coincidence the Thai legal situation is not much dissimilar to the Belgian situation, so I know what I'm talking about.If not illegal, can you explain why girls run like hell on BeachRoad when a police raid, or just a team of 4 police officers are strolling along Beach Road. All girls disappear to the other side of the road. Maybe they are all wrong, who knows.
If not illegal, can you explain why girls run like hell on BeachRoad when a police raid, or just a team of 4 police officers are strolling along Beach Road. All girls disappear to the other side of the road. Maybe they are all wrong, who knows.The girls don't know anything about the legality / illegality of prostitution, but they DO know Thai cops. They move across the road for the same reason that, when I drive in Thailand, I have in the sun visor above me, /1/ my drivers license, /2/ my passports, and /3/ two 500 THB notes and one 1,000 THB note. I don't plan on doing anything illegal but I sure know Thai cops. TTG.
If not illegal, can you explain why girls run like hell on BeachRoad when a police raid, or just a team of 4 police officers are strolling along Beach Road. All girls disappear to the other side of the road. Maybe they are all wrong, who knows.Because being a public nuisance and solicitation is illegal. SW are soliciting and considered a nuisance.
You don't have to mince your words. Laoman doesn't know what he is talking about.
Simple prostiution is not illegal in Thailand and the area is not grey at all. It is very clear in that respect. Certain behaviours related to prostitution are illegal and that may confuse people, but for lawyers the issue about the legality of prostitution per se is clear and not "grey" at all.
By coincidence the Thai legal situation is not much dissimilar to the Belgian situation, so I know what I'm talking about.There was a very good article in the BKK Post on Sunday that mentioned the three acts that refer to prostitution. Here is a link. Have a look a the section entitled, "Legal Minefield. ".
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/special-reports/1043129/the-sex-workers-embraced-by-the-wrong-arms-of-the-law
Wolvenvacht
07-26-16, 06:57
If not illegal, can you explain why girls run like hell on BeachRoad when a police raid, or just a team of 4 police officers are strolling along Beach Road. All girls disappear to the other side of the road. Maybe they are all wrong, who knows.Because soliciting in public and approaching men to propose their services, is one of these "behaviours" that are not legal and can be fined.
Wolvenvacht
07-26-16, 07:37
There was a very good article in the BKK Post on Sunday that mentioned the three acts that refer to prostitution. Here is a link. Have a look a the section entitled, "Legal Minefield. ".
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/special-reports/1043129/the-sex-workers-embraced-by-the-wrong-arms-of-the-lawThe usual hodge-podge of journalistic drivel.
They start by talking about u_n_d_e_r_a_g_e prostitutes from Laos. U_n_d_e_r_a_g_e sex is of course illegal and non-Thai girls are not allowed to work in Thaiiland without a work-permit and obviously there are no work-permits for prostitution.
Then they mention police officers "entrapping" girls to obtain proof. Proof of what? One assumes "proof of prostitution" but actually it is simple proof of working without a work permit for those non-Thai girls. That's why they are simply "exported" again to Laos and not held on prostitution charges.
And they finish with the usual ill-informed mix-up of the three "prostitution laws".
Title IX, Section 286 of the Penal Code states:
Any person, being over sixteen years of age, (sic) subsists on the earning of a prostitute, even if it is some part of her incomes (sic), shall be punished with imprisonment of seven to twenty years and fined of fourteen thousand to forty thousand Baht, or imprisonment for life.This is the usual definition and prohibition of pimping. If this was about prostitution itself, then the penalties in the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act which make certain "public" behaviours by prostitutes illegal and punishable by relatively small fines unnecessary. Why fine someone 1000 baht for soliciting in public when she can already be fined at least 14000 baht simply for being a prostitute?
The "Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act" gives a definition of prostitution:
Sexual intercourse, or any other act, or the commission of any other act in order to gratify the sexual desire of another person in a promiscuous manner in return for money or any other benefit, irrespective of whether the person who accepts the act and the person who commits the act are of the same sex or not.However, this law does not have any penalty for prostitution! That is where most comments are wrong. They read the definition and, wrongly, assume that there is a penalty attached to it. Read the law (http://www.ilo.org/dyn/natlex/docs/WEBTEXT/46403/65063/E96THA01.htm), there isn't! The penalties are attached to solicitation by a prostitute, to pimping, to exploiting a house of ill repute, . . .
Finally the "Entertainment Places Act" actually allows certain establishments to obtain a "licence" to provide special services, mainly understood to be of the "massage" type but stops just short of allowing actual sexual services. If the establishment is used for prostitution the owner is held liable and the prostitutes will be send to a "reform house" to learn a useful trade or occupation. This is not a penalty but rather a measure of social support.
All clear now?
Title IX, Section 286 of the Penal Code states:
This is the usual definition and prohibition of pimping. If this was about prostitution itself, then the penalties in the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act which make certain "public" behaviours by prostitutes illegal and punishable by relatively small fines unnecessary. Why fine someone 1000 baht for soliciting in public when she can already be fined at least 14000 baht simply for being a prostitute?
The "Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act" gives a definition of prostitution:
However, this law does not have any penalty for prostitution! That is where most comments are wrong. They read the definition and, wrongly, assume that there is a penalty attached to it. Read the law (http://www.ilo.org/dyn/natlex/docs/WEBTEXT/46403/65063/E96THA01.htm), there isn't! The penalties are attached to solicitation by a prostitute, to pimping, to exploiting a house of ill repute, . . .
Finally the "Entertainment Places Act" actually allows certain establishments to obtain a "licence" to provide special services, mainly understood to be of the "massage" type but stops just short of allowing actual sexual services. If the establishment is used for prostitution the owner is held liable and the prostitutes will be send to a "reform house" to learn a useful trade or occupation. This is not a penalty but rather a measure of social support.
All clear now?That is about the finest explication of prostitution laws I have ever read, Wolvenvacht. Direct, well sourced, succinct, and no BS. That should put an end to this discussion once and for all. Thank you sir, and bravo.
The "Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act" gives a definition of prostitution:
Sexual intercourse, or any other act, or the commission of any other act in order to gratify the sexual desire of another person in a promiscuous manner in return for money or any other benefit, irrespective of whether the person who accepts the act and the person who commits the act are of the same sex or not.I find the 'in return for money or any other benefit' clause both hilarious and frightening. *Any* other benefit? Really?! Uhh, that's like. . . 100% of all sexual interactions. Whenever sexual gratification is provided, there is *always* a quid pro quo. Sometimes it is monetary, sometimes it is dinner and a movie, sometimes it is an ego boost, sometimes it is status, sometimes it is marriage, etc. What a completely open-ended definition.
The usual hodge-podge of journalistic drivel.
They start by talking about u_n_d_e_r_a_g_e prostitutes from Laos. U_n_d_e_r_a_g_e sex is of course illegal and non-Thai girls are not allowed to work in Thaiiland without a work-permit and obviously there are no work-permits for prostitution.
Then they mention police officers "entrapping" girls to obtain proof. Proof of what? One assumes "proof of prostitution" but actually it is simple proof of working without a work permit for those non-Thai girls. That's why they are simply "exported" again to Laos and not held on prostitution charges.
And they finish with the usual ill-informed mix-up of the three "prostitution laws".
Title IX, Section 286 of the Penal Code states:
This is the usual definition and prohibition of pimping. If this was about prostitution itself, then the penalties in the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act which make certain "public" behaviours by prostitutes illegal and punishable by relatively small fines unnecessary. Why fine someone 1000 baht for soliciting in public when she can already be fined at least 14000 baht simply for being a prostitute?
The "Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act" gives a definition of prostitution:
However, this law does not have any penalty for prostitution! That is where most comments are wrong. They read the definition and, wrongly, assume that there is a penalty attached to it. Read the law (http://www.ilo.org/dyn/natlex/docs/WEBTEXT/46403/65063/E96THA01.htm), there isn't! The penalties are attached to solicitation by a prostitute, to pimping, to exploiting a house of ill repute, . . .
Finally the "Entertainment Places Act" actually allows certain establishments to obtain a "licence" to provide special services, mainly understood to be of the "massage" type but stops just short of allowing actual sexual services. If the establishment is used for prostitution the owner is held liable and the prostitutes will be send to a "reform house" to learn a useful trade or occupation. This is not a penalty but rather a measure of social support.
All clear now?The laws are all very "Thai," meaning they are nebulous and open to interpretation. If you anger the wrong person, you will be done up. Keep your head down and don't bother anyone; you will be fine.
The massage shop that was raided on Silom did not have a massage license as I understand it. The authorities have stated that they will check other massage shops in September to make sure they have the appropriate license.
Last night was Saturday night and instead of doing the usual rounds I went out on a date with a "good girl" as some here like to call them. Most of they guys that go for this type of girl probably do it either because they're looking for a girlfriend of some kind or are after sex without handing over $$ to a bargirl thereby justifying to themselves that they don't always pay for sex in Thailand. Due to the fact I do not live in Thailand and have in the past failed at long distance relationships I fell into the second catagory.
About 9 months ago I met Miss see on Tinder and messages shot back and forth until there was a meeting arranged, which due to circumstances did not end up happening at that time. Fast forward to last month and we eventually caught up over coffee. That went ok but probably a little stiff, like you were going out on your first date ever as a teenager.
Yesterday we got back in contact and arranged another date and it went well. We went for dinner to a restaurant she suggested, we drank a bottle of wine, several contails and had a good time talking before we called for the check. After that we went to a pub nearby and it was only on the walk over there that I realised that I was quite tipsy.
Inhibitions reduced things started to get hotter between us inside the pub where we played pool and drank a couple of beers. Despite us getting a little up close and personal I did not get the feel that she wanted to join me in my hotel. After maybe 2 hours I realised that although things were kind of moving in the right direction, Miss see had clearly had a lot to drink, me too, but I totally despise guys who take advantage of drunk girls on the premise that they were drunk too. I knew what I was doing and I said it was probably time we went home. Obviously if Miss see had suggested she come to my hotel I would have accepted, but I wasn't going to ask under circumstances.
Anyway I know I've rambled on here and some of you may have thought the moral of the story here is not to take advantage of drunk girls, it's not. The moral of the story is that if you are really looking for sex tonight then don't bother with a good girl, just take a hooker, it will save you time and money. With dinner, wine, coctails, beer etc I spent nearly 5 K last night and I slept alone.1. You chose to keep spending money. I'm assuming you paid for her tab as well. That's on you.
2. You bought alcohol and food willingly, so it's not like you wasted 5 k baht. Unless of course, you only enjoy sex like someone addicted to prositution and had no enjoyment from that night well. Then that would also be on you as well.
3. You chose not to make any attempt to take her home because she was drunk? Why would you get her drunk if you intended to take her home and that was a conflict for you?
You sound like a weak man who was played, and now is angry, and is telling everyone to not date women because he got used. Deal with yourself instead of giving advice to others.
So you went to sleep with some heavy balls and a light wallet. It has happened to the best of us, and it has happened to me too. I did much the same thing back in 2007, and then again in 2009, and then once more in 2010. Each time it was slightly different, and I did end up bedding the lady once (2009). But predictably, it turned into a complicated soap opera, and I'm glad all that stuff is behind me now. But I have to say that despite ending up, like you, with the heavy balls at the end of the evening (in 2007 and 2010), there was a definite thrill to the whole thing. It's somewhere between P4 P and the real pursuit of a girl, and I think that's because we assume Thai women are somehow easier than western women. In any case, my point: even though it seems like a waste of money and waste of time, I think you probably did get something out of it.
Regardless, got to say, I'm loving your reports. Thanks.Kumbu,
I think you understand what I'm saying in these reports. Like you, I wish to entertain more than inform. A lot of what I write is somewhat tongue in cheek and I know you get that but it appears some here don't. Oh well, you can't please everybody.
In no way was I pissed off that I went home alone, in fact I probably needed it. What was written was an after the fact observation of what went on the night before. As this is a mongers forum it should be a given that that is one of the shared interests of all who participate here. My comparison between the cost of my date and the mongering we talk about on this forum was just to illustrate a point and to entertain in the process.
1. You chose to keep spending money. I'm assuming you paid for her tab as well. That's on you.
2. You bought alcohol and food willingly, so it's not like you wasted 5 k baht. Unless of course, you only enjoy sex like someone addicted to prositution and had no enjoyment from that night well. Then that would also be on you as well.
3. You chose not to make any attempt to take her home because she was drunk? Why would you get her drunk if you intended to take her home and that was a conflict for you?
You sound like a weak man who was played, and now is angry, and is telling everyone to not date women because he got used. Deal with yourself instead of giving advice to others.ParkVille,
1. Yes I did. I have no problem with that.
2. I also understand that. It was a good night. It would be better that you don't make uninformed assumptions about me. You do not know me.
3. We did not intend to get drunk, that's what foolish teenagers set out to do. It just happened, and even then it wasn't staggering around or slurring our speech drunk. It was more like the fact that I am a gentleman who would never take advantage of a woman that wasn't completely with it. Maybe you would have done something different?
4. I am very definitely not a weak man, nor a stupid one such as yourself. Clearly you did not understand that I was making a light hearted comparison between mongering and dating a "good girl", if you did not understand this then that is your problem. Something you clearly lack the intelectual capacity for is understanding that as a monger forum ISG is precisely the place where I should be informing / entertaining / advising on this subject. If you can suggest a more appropriate forum I'd love to hear it.
And one final thing, FYI, in no way do I think I was played by the lady in question. We are still in regular contact and I'll see her again on the weekend.
Have a nice day 😀.
Member #4591
07-26-16, 17:17
1. You chose to keep spending money. I'm assuming you paid for her tab as well. That's on you.
2. You bought alcohol and food willingly, so it's not like you wasted 5 k baht. Unless of course, you only enjoy sex like someone addicted to prositution and had no enjoyment from that night well. Then that would also be on you as well.
3. You chose not to make any attempt to take her home because she was drunk? Why would you get her drunk if you intended to take her home and that was a conflict for you?
You sound like a weak man who was played, and now is angry, and is telling everyone to not date women because he got used. Deal with yourself instead of giving advice to others.I'm siding with Grrr on this one. When you take a girl out, you just go with the flow. If it feels right you go for it. In this case, it just did not feel right. I can totally relate. Who wants to deal with a drunk Thai girl just to get sex. On the other hand, we all want to have fun on these dates. If all you want is a quick hook up, go to a massage shop, those to scenarios cannot be compared. Clearly Grrr wanted to enjoy a night out with a lovely Thai girl. Simple and end of story. You my friend are way to intense and frankly I want to say that most Thai girls should stay away from you because they might be in danger. Just my two cents worth.
Wolvenvacht
07-26-16, 18:28
The laws are all very "Thai," meaning they are nebulous and open to interpretation."Nebulous" being a property of Thai laws? I wish it were true, but unfortunately that is the case with many laws in most countries. Or how do you think us lawyers will keep making a living?
If you anger the wrong person, you will be done up. Keep your head down and don't bother anyone; you will be fine.The best advice I've heard in a long time!
Because being a public nuisance and solicitation is illegal. SW are soliciting and considered a nuisance.Okay, might be even a valid reason in the eyes of local police. TIT of course as I never feel it as a nuisance when walking on the seaside of beach road together with my GF. Even on a rare occasion that I walk there alone I do not feel hassled at all. On the contrary of walking on the pavement on the other side of the road with the continuous hassle of all BG's who try to lure you in into those awful waterholes. Not to speak about Soi 6. Very weird. But again. TIT.
Franciscass
07-27-16, 02:01
Deal with yourself instead of giving advice to others.Unbelievable! If there is a definition of hypocrisy this must surely be it.
1. You chose to keep spending money. I'm assuming you paid for her tab as well. That's on you.
2. You bought alcohol and food willingly, so it's not like you wasted 5 k baht. Unless of course, you only enjoy sex like someone addicted to prositution and had no enjoyment from that night well. Then that would also be on you as well.
3. You chose not to make any attempt to take her home because she was drunk? Why would you get her drunk if you intended to take her home and that was a conflict for you?
You sound like a weak man who was played, and now is angry, and is telling everyone to not date women because he got used. Deal with yourself instead of giving advice to others.Yikes, where did this come from? There is no call for saying Grrr is 'a weak man who was played'. He filed a report, which was well written and included useful information. Lecturing him to deal with himself instead of giving advice to others is kind of counter to the point of ISG. We're here to share information, and that's what he did. And in fairness, if your response were worded in a slightly less offensive way, I would say you did the same. But there are more civil ways of doing it. I hate being the decorum police, but there's just no reason to be negative like that.
Al Cualquiera
07-27-16, 07:42
The girls I know from Soi 7 Beer Garden send me this picture of a birthday celebration. I don't recognize the bar. Anyone know where this was taken?
Member #4591
07-27-16, 08:33
The girls I know from Soi 7 Beer Garden send me this picture of a birthday celebration. I don't recognize the bar. Anyone know where this was taken?Would love to see the photo.
Hi fellow mongers and Senior Members,
I wanted to know a few things about Go Go bars of Soi Cowboys.
1. Bacarra has any dress rules? Or they don't just allow south Asians?
2. Cowboy 2 asked THB 3000 for barfine and THB 6000 for ST for a coyote dancer. Is it real, I mean a total of THB 9000 for ST? Or they just don't want to be Barfined?
3. What is the best go go in Bkk for getting a stunner (sample pic attached of stunner from a Pattaya go go bar) within THB 3000-4000 ?
Expecting your witty suggestions.
This is a thanks to those who replied to my earlier post for info.
I arrived Thursday evening and had a girl from the Internet come to my room. I was staying out near chatachuk so this was my best option. Not really having time to go anywhere myself. It was 2000 for 2-3 hrs. GFE, DFK, DATY, Bobbi, multiple positions and multiple shots.
Friday I worked all day then moved to suk soi 11 in the evening. I had 2 STs, each 2000 B, with girls I met around that area on the street. Both were tall and slim, smallish breasts, but ok in bed, not great just ok, but both v good looking.
Saturday I took a girl from thermae. She was v pretty / cute, but not the tall slim type, more the isaan type. Shorter, browner, slightly heavier, but it was what I was looking for. 1500ST. Unfortunately her performance sucked, so 1 shot and done. Ended up taking a Kenyan v late. V skinny, v dark, but just 1000 b.
So 5 girls in 3 days.
I had looked around thermae, beer garden and nana. Therma was a total meat market, like a soapy except you walked amongst the girls to pick. Lots of Japanese guys, only 2 of about 100 girls looked good to me but one had her face buried in her phone and the other seemed to be interested in JP guys. Not s place for drinking and fun but just ST pickup, imo.
Bg7 was way more fun but I thought too dark and I felt like the darkness worked in the ladies favor and if I picked from thee I would regret it in the light of the room. I like girls with no make up or just a little to enhance their looks. Not a lot used to hide (bad) looks.
Uncle Volodya
07-28-16, 15:53
I had looked around thermae, beer garden and nana. Therma was a total meat market, like a soapy except you walked amongst the girls to pick. Lots of Japanese guys, only 2 of about 100 girls looked good to me but one had her face buried in her phone and the other seemed to be interested in JP guys. Not s place for drinking and fun but just ST pickup, imo.
Bg7 was way more fun but I thought too dark and I felt like the darkness worked in the ladies favor and if I picked from thee I would regret it in the light of the room. I like girls with no make up or just a little to enhance their looks. Not a lot used to hide (bad) looks.Nice succinct report. You seem to have the gist of those locations nailed down, as far as I remember.
What site did you use for your internet hookup?
Yikes, where did this come from? There is no call for saying Grrr is 'a weak man who was played'. He filed a report, which was well written and included useful information. Lecturing him to deal with himself instead of giving advice to others is kind of counter to the point of ISG. We're here to share information, and that's what he did. And in fairness, if your response were worded in a slightly less offensive way, I would say you did the same. But there are more civil ways of doing it. I hate being the decorum police, but there's just no reason to be negative like that.Well said Kumbu. I am with you on this.
Wolvenvacht
07-28-16, 19:29
Hi fellow mongers and Senior Members,
I wanted to know a few things about Go Go bars of Soi Cowboys.
1. Bacarra has any dress rules? Or they don't just allow south Asians?The only rule at Baccara is that there is no rule. Sometimes I can waltz right in, sometimes they ask me to buy one drink first. Anyhow, I find Baccara very overrated for quality and price-wise it is beyond the pale (I blame our Japanese colleagues). I never found my choice there.
2. Cowboy 2 asked THB 3000 for barfine and THB 6000 for ST for a coyote dancer. Is it real, I mean a total of THB 9000 for ST? Or they just don't want to be Barfined?It might be real or a polite way of saying "no". Does it matter? If it is beyond your (and mine!) budget, just move to the next place.
3. What is the best go go in Bkk for getting a stunner (sample pic attached of stunner from a Pattaya go go bar) within THB 3000-4000 ?I don't believe that among the agogo clubs of Soi Cowboy or Nana (or even Pattaya), there are clubs that have consistently "bettter" or "more beautiful" girls or that speciliaze in a specific type of girl. These clubs cater mainly to farang and "our" preferences vary much. Some love the Issan type with tanned skin and sturdy build; other search for the light skinned "car show" model types; some want skinny spinners with A-size breasts; others want big jugs to play with. A good club has a mixture of all of those and more.
I like the line-up of Suzie Wong: they are not the youngest, but there is quite some variety in body-types and I have never been disappointed by their services in my room.
But I'm very sure that other mongers will tell you that "their" preferred club is much better. . .
Hi fellow mongers and Senior Members,
I wanted to know a few things about Go Go bars of Soi Cowboys.
1. Bacarra has any dress rules? Or they don't just allow south Asians?There is no blanket ban on South Asians, that's for sure. But I am sure there is a ban on badly behaving customers. And that includes dress code. You need to dress reasonably well, meaning a clean, smart shirt, clean slacks, nice shoes (not over-dressed, like a suit or anything). That is just being respectful, and it will take you a long way.
2. Cowboy 2 asked THB 3000 for barfine and THB 6000 for ST for a coyote dancer. Is it real, I mean a total of THB 9000 for ST? Or they just don't want to be Barfined?I agree with Wolvenvacht: it may be real, or it may have been a way to say no, but it does not matter, just move on.
3. What is the best go go in Bkk for getting a stunner (sample pic attached of stunner from a Pattaya go go bar) within THB 3000-4000 ?Again, I agree with Wolvenvacht that there is no single bar that is the best. But honestly, I find that the single best thing about gogo bars is the hopping part. I just love hopping from bar to bar, looking at what is available, and finally selecting the perfect little peach. It tickles that ancient cave-man thing within me of foraging, I suppose. So I would recommend that you hit 3-4 bars and as soon as you see your stunner, go for it. If you see someone you want, pull the trigger. Don't tell yourself that you will go to a couple more bars and if you find nothing better, that you will return. The chances are that she will be gone by then.
Expecting your witty suggestions.Sorry to disappoint, my wit is currently unavailable.
This is a thanks to those who replied to my earlier post for info.
I arrived Thursday evening and had a girl from the Internet come to my room. I was staying out near chatachuk so this was my best option. Not really having time to go anywhere myself. It was 2000 for 2-3 hrs. GFE, DFK, DATY, Bobbi, multiple positions and multiple shots.Thanks for this report, Ronin500. By the way, what is Bobbi? Do you mean BBBJ, or maybe something to do with boobies? Apologies if this is a known term, I've just never seen it before, and it's not in the forum's list of abbreviations.
Ended up taking a Kenyan v late. V skinny, v dark, but just 1000 b.So how was the Kenyan? We don't get many details of how the African girls perform, and they are fairly ubiquitous on Suk, so I'm interested.
Nice succinct report. You seem to have the gist of those locations nailed down, as far as I remember.
What site did you use for your internet hookup?I used craigslist, backpage and wechat.
Thanks for this report, Ronin500. By the way, what is Bobbi? Do you mean BBBJ, or maybe something to do with boobies? Apologies if this is a known term, I've just never seen it before, and it's not in the forum's list of abbreviations.
So how was the Kenyan? We don't get many details of how the African girls perform, and they are fairly ubiquitous on Suk, so I'm interested.That should have been BBBJ but auto-correct screwed it up. The Kenyan, well, she was just for a change of pace. Her BJ skills were ok, but nothing else.
Thanks for this report, Ronin500. By the way, what is Bobbi? Do you mean BBBJ, or maybe something to do with boobies? Apologies if this is a known term, I've just never seen it before, and it's not in the forum's list of abbreviations.
So how was the Kenyan? We don't get many details of how the African girls perform, and they are fairly ubiquitous on Suk, so I'm interested.I had a black girl from Zanzibar / Tanzania. She was crap. Worst girl this year in Thailand ir perhaps equal worst with one Thai girl. I had very few really poor girls this year. Some black girls are good some not.
1. You chose to keep spending money. I'm assuming you paid for her tab as well. That's on you.
2. You bought alcohol and food willingly, so it's not like you wasted 5 k baht. Unless of course, you only enjoy sex like someone addicted to prositution and had no enjoyment from that night well. Then that would also be on you as well.
3. You chose not to make any attempt to take her home because she was drunk? Why would you get her drunk if you intended to take her home and that was a conflict for you?
You sound like a weak man who was played, and now is angry, and is telling everyone to not date women because he got used. Deal with yourself instead of giving advice to others.I thought he gave good advice. You seem like an overly critical person just liking to be superior or condescending.
If I want sex, I just go get a hooker. I can party later if in the mood. I give hookers a few leg openers to get them more horny or eliminate shyness.
Member #4591
07-30-16, 09:33
"Nebulous" being a property of Thai laws? I wish it were true, but unfortunately that is the case with many laws in most countries. Or how do you think us lawyers will keep making a living?
The best advice I've heard in a long time!Section 276 Whoever has sexual intercourse with a woman, who is not wife, against her will, by threatening by any means whatever, by doing any act of violence, by taking advantage of the woman being in the condition of inability to resist, or by causing the woman to mistake him for the other person, shall be punished with imprisonment of four to twenty years and fined of eight thousand to forty thousand Baht.
If the offence as mentioned in the first paragraph is committed by carrying or using any gun or explosive, or participation of persons in the nature of destroying the woman, the offender shall be punished with imprisonment of fifteen to twenty years and fined of thirty thousand to forty thousand Baht, or imprisonment for life.
Section 277 Whoever, has sexual intercourse with a girl not yet over fifteen years of age and not being his own wife, whether such girl shall consent or not, shall be punished with imprisonment of four to twenty years and fined of eight thousand to forty thousand Baht. If the commission of the offence according to the first paragraph is committed against a girl not yet over thirteen years of age, the offender shall be punished with imprisonment of seven to twenty years and fined of fourteen thousand to forty thousand Baht, or imprisonment for life.
If the commission of the offence according to the first or second paragraph is committed by participation of persons in the nature for destroying a girl and such girl is not consent, or by carrying the gun or explosive, or by using the arms, the offender shall be punished with imprisonment for life.
The offence as provided in the first paragraph, if the offender being the man commits against the girl over thirteen years but not yet over fifteen years of age with her consent and the Court grants such man and girl to marry together afterwards, the offender shall not be punished for such offence. If the Court grants them to marry together during the offender be still inflicted with the punishment, the Court shall release such offender.
Section 277 bis If the commission of the offence according to the first paragraph of Section 276, or the first or second paragraph of Section 277, causes:
Grievous bodily harm to the victim, the offender shall be punished with imprisonment of fifteen to twenty years and fined of thirty thousand to forty thousand Baht, or imprisonment for life;.
Death to the victim, the offender shall be punished with death or imprisonment for life.
Section 277 another site If the commission of the offence according to the second paragraph of Section 276 or the third paragraph of Section 277, causes: Grievous bodily harm to the victim, the offender shall be punished with death or imprisonment for life Death to the victim, the offender shall be punished with death.
Section 278 Whoever, committing an indecent act to the person out of fifteen years of age by threatening with any means, by doing any act of violence, by taking advantage of that person to be in the condition of inability to resist, or by causing that person to mistake him for the other person, shall be imprisoned not out of ten years or fined not out of twenty thousand Baht, or both.
Section 279 Whoever, commits an indecent act on a child not yet over fifteen years of age, whether such child shall consent or not, shall be punished with imprisonment not exceeding ten years or fined not exceeding twenty thousand Baht, or both.
If the commission of the offence according to the first paragraph, the offender commits it by threatening by any means whatever, by doing any act of violence, by taking advantage of such child being in the condition of inability to resist, or by causing such child to mistake him for another person, the offender shall be punished with imprisonment not exceeding fifteen years or fined not exceeding thirty thousand Baht, or both.
Section 280 If the commission of offence according to the Section 278 or Section 279 causes:
Grievous bodily harm to the victim, the offender shall be punished with imprisonment of five to twenty years and fined of ten thousand to forty thousand Baht;.
Death to the victim, the offender shall be punished with death or imprisonment for life.
Section 281 The commission of offence according to the paragraph 1 of Section 276 and Section 278, if not to occur in the public, not to cause the grievous bodily harm or death to the victim, not commit against the person as specified in this Section, it shall be the compoundable offence.
Section 282 Whoever, in order to gratify the sexual desire of another person, procures, seduces or takes away for indecent act the man or woman with his or her consent, shall be punished with imprisonment of one to ten years and fined of two thousand to twenty thousand Baht.
If the commission of the offence according to the first paragraph is occurred to the person over fifteen years but not yet over eighteen years of age, the offender shall be punished with imprisonment of three to fifteen years and fined of six thousand to thirty thousand Baht.
If the commission of the offence according to the first paragraph is occurred to the child not yet over fifteen years of age, the offender shall be punished with imprisonment of five to twenty years and fined of ten thousand to forty thousand Baht. Whoever, in order to gratify the sexual desire of another person, obtains the person who is procured, seduced or taken away according to the first, second or third paragraph or supports in such commission of offence, shall be liable to the punishment as provided in the first, second or third paragraph, as the case may be.
Section 283 Whoever, in order to gratify the sexual desire of another person, procures, seduces or takes away for indecent act a man or woman by using deceitful means, threat, doing an act of violence, unjust influence or mode of coercion by any other means, shall be punished with imprisonment of five to twenty years and fined of ten thousand to forty thousand Baht.
If the commission of the offence according to the first paragraph is occurred to the person over fifteen years but not yet over eighteen years of age, the offender shall be punished with imprisonment of seven to twenty years and fined of fourteen thousand to forty thousand Baht, or imprisonment for life.
If the commission of the offence according to the first paragraph is occurred to the child not yet over fifteen years of age, the offender shall be punished with imprisonment of ten to twenty years and fined twenty thousand to forty thousand Baht, or imprisonment for life, or death.
Whoever, in order to gratify the sexual desire of another person, obtains the person who is procured, seduced or taken away according to the first, second or third paragraph, or supports in such commission of offence, shall be liable to the punishment as provided in the first, second or third paragraph, as the case may be.
Section 283 bis Whoever, takes away the person over fifteen years but not yet over eighteen years of age for indecent act with consent of such person, shall be punished with imprisonment of not exceeding five years or fined not exceeding ten thousand Baht, or both.
If the commission of offence according to the first paragraph is occurred to the child not yet over the fifteen years of age, the offender shall be punished with imprisonment not exceeding seven years or fined not exceeding fourteen thousand Baht, or both.
Whoever, conceals the person who is taken away according to the first or secondparagraph, shall be liable to punishment as provided in the first or second paragraph, as the case may be.
If the offences according to the first and third paragraph are specially occurred in the case of committing to the person exceeding the fifteen years of age, they are compoundable offences.
Section 284 Whoever, takes away an another person for indecent act by using deceitful means, threat, doing any act of violence, unjust influence or mode of coercion by any other means, shall be punished with imprisonment of one of ten years and fined of two thousand to twenty thousand Baht.
Whoever, conceals the person who is taken away according to the first paragraph, shall be liable to the same punishment as the person who takes away.
The offence according to this Section is compoundable offence.
Section 285 If committing the offence under Section 276, Section 277 bis, Section 277 another site, Section 278, Section 279, Section 280, Section 282 or Section 283 to be act against the descendant, pupil under taken oneself's care, person under oneself's control according to oneself official authority, or person under oneself's tutorship, guardianship or courtship, such offender shall be punished by the heavier punishment then that as prescribed in that Section by one-third.
Section 286 Any person, being over sixteen years of age, subsists on the earning of a prostitute, even it is some part of her incomes, shall be punished with imprisonment of seven to twenty years and fined of fourteen thousand to forty thousand Baht, or imprisonment for life.
Any person has no other apparent or sufficient means of subsistence, and:
Is found residing or habitually associating with one or more prostitutes;.
Takes board and lodging, or receives money or any other benefit arranged for by a prostitute; or.
Take part in order to help any prostitute in her quarrel with her customer.
The provisions of this Section shall not be applied to any person who receives maintenance from a prostitute who is bound to give maintenance according to law or morality.
Section 287 Whoever:
For the purpose of trade or by trade, for public distribution or exhibition, makes, produces, possesses, brings or causes to be brought into the Kingdom, sends or causes to be sent out of the Kingdom, takes away or causes to be taken away, or circulates by any means whatever, any document, drawing, print, painting, printed matter, picture, poster, symbol, photograph, cinematograph film, noise tape, picture tape or any other thing which is obscene;.
Carries on trade, or takes part or participates in the trade concerning the aforesaid obscene material or thing, or distributes or exhibits to the public, or hires out such material or thing;.
In order to assist in the circulation or trading of the aforesaid obscene material or thing, propagates or spreads the news by any means whatever that there is a person committing the act which is an offence according to this Section, or propagates or spreads the news that the aforesaid obscene material or thing may be obtained from any person or by any means, shall be punished with imprisonment not exceeding three years or fined not exceeding six thousand Baht, or both.
Hi fellow mongers!
1st Night:
Arrived on eve of 27th July 2016. Went to look for Dr. BJ and found it has changed name and it is called wooden bar now. Collections of ladies were not of liking. They look very old and worn out and I didn't feel like paying 1000 THB for them, so I moved to Som's Heaven at Soi 14. They have better collections of girls. Picked a young one and went up to 3rd floor. She washed really well. BJ was average (I had much better BJ before). So, I felt like banging her and 2 positions. Finally removed condom and made happiness inside her mouth.
Total Damage: BJ 700 + Boom Boom 500 = 1200.
Went to Bacarra. But they didn't let me go inside. So, I went to Cowboy 2, very ugly looking ladies asked 2000 for ST and 800 for barfine. On the other hand, models / coyote asked 6000 for ST with 3000 as barfine! Shocked to hear the price I moved to DejaVu and a coyote told me she is here only for dance and sit on laps. She can go with me after 3 am, which really didn't intrigued me.
I went to Afterskool, very small go go, very few girls, one forcefully sat beside me and told me about naughty corner for 1000 thb. Her mouth smelled like hell. I quit just finishing my beer.
I went to Lighthouse or should I say a mid-age (40 ish) beauty just grabbed my entire upper body and took me to inside. Not much beautiful girls inside. At the toilet, I met a Coyote who was really hot. She said 5000 for ST and 1000 for Barfine. To me it was little too high for ST. Ended up bar-fining the 40 ish beauty and a young dancer (barfine 600+600 = 1200) for ST (2000+2000). Really good service. Young dancer was very crazy. After first Bang, young one went back to Lighthouse. 40 ish woman (Name: Ta) remained with me and gave good GFE cuddles and love.
She slept with me till 10 am and banged her again before she went home. Total Damage: 600+600+2000+2000= 5200 and 2 ladies drinks.
2nd Night:
On 28th July 2016, after work, I went to Bacara, bought a drink from outside bar and went inside. Baccara really have the biggest collection of dancers.
My eyes were riveted on a young beauty 170 cm, model type face, Her name was WeBee. (picture attached). Her total barfine was 1000 (barfine 600 + 2 ladies drinks 400) and 3000 for ST. She said she cannot go to my hotel but she can go to Bacara's ST hotel just opposite of Baccara and this ST hotel will cost me another 500. I agreed to that. Went to 3rd floor of that hotel. She was very professional and had boob jobs.
While working my shaft with her mouth, she asked me if I am interested to user her back-door. I said yes, and to that she just added 2000 THB. Then I said, it has be two shots honey and she agreed. Banged her multiple position. Both of her doors were very tight and squeezing.
First bang took like 6-7 minutes. Second one took like 40-50 minutes. Included banging in mouth, front door and backdoor, in doggy. Spoon. Missionary and scissor (first time), styles and 2-3 breaks in-between. : the.
Total Damage for 2 pops: Barfine (600+400) + ST 3000 + A 2000 + Hotel 500 = 6500 + Ladies drink.
Went to Tilac, found a Jessica Alba look-alike called Neu / New. Ended up barfining her for 800 and ST 2000. She really spoke a little English. We walked to hotel with our hands on hands. She was new and inexperienced. Already popped my load 2 times. I took me a long time to get to the happy ending. Meaning. A cowboy, doggy, break. Missionary, spoon, break. Cowboy. So on. And finally happy ending came.
Total Damage: Barfine 800 + ST 2000 + Ladies drink.
Called it a night.
Many thanks! Keep mongering!!
I thought he gave good advice. You seem like an overly critical person just liking to be superior or condescending.
If I want sex, I just go get a hooker. I can party later if in the mood. I give hookers a few leg openers to get them more horny or eliminate shyness.Just going to reply once as not to junk up the reports with debates.
He needs to swallow his pride and realize what he did was his making. The chick knew she was racking up a large bill and that probably wasn't her first rodeo. He shouldn't have kept buying all that stuff if he didn't want it to begin with. I mean really.
Banana Boi
07-30-16, 22:02
Thanks for the review, DRobin. WeBee looks good but you could have went to Thermae and got a girl like her for far less than 6500 baht (4500 without anal).
Is this common for BKK gogo dancers refusing to go to a hotel? I assume your hotel was a decent one and nearby.
Why didn't Baccara let you in on night 1 but allowed you in on night 2?
Thanks for the review, DRobin. WeBee looks good but you could have went to Thermae and got a girl like her for far less than 6500 baht (4500 without anal).
I can't follow your math here BB?
Isn't 4500 baht without anal the same as 4500 baht but with anal for extra 2000 baht.
Perhaps he wanted anal? Hardly far less I would have thought, but perhaps I am missing something.
BTW, Thermae is no longer point and click like it used to be.
Member #4591
07-31-16, 06:14
Thanks for the review, DRobin. WeBee looks good but you could have went to Thermae and got a girl like her for far less than 6500 baht (4500 without anal).
Is this common for BKK gogo dancers refusing to go to a hotel? I assume your hotel was a decent one and nearby.
Why didn't Baccara let you in on night 1 but allowed you in on night 2?It will have something to do with the girls ID. Maybe she forgot it at home, she's not Thai, or an obvious other reason which can't be mentioned in the forum.
Just going to reply once as not to junk up the reports with debates.
He needs to swallow his pride and realize what he did was his making. The chick knew she was racking up a large bill and that probably wasn't her first rodeo. He shouldn't have kept buying all that stuff if he didn't want it to begin with. I mean really.He knew what he was doing. He did not need your condenscending advice, I am quite sure.
Instead of telling others how to behave, write more about your own experiences or mode of operation.
I don't tell guys what to do on their dates. Every guy and girl is different and has different styles. I especially don't tell people how much to spend. Budgets vary tremendously.
I prefer to write about how a good time can be had at different venues and particular girls or when I failed to have a good time. Shit happens sometimes.
I attack the more negative posters on the forum and especially the shit dumpers.
Just going to reply once as not to junk up the reports with debates.
He needs to swallow his pride and realize what he did was his making. The chick knew she was racking up a large bill and that probably wasn't her first rodeo. He shouldn't have kept buying all that stuff if he didn't want it to begin with. I mean really.ParkVille,
Why do you need to make yourself out to be a complete weirdo? Read my reports over several years in over a dozen countries and you will see that my experiences have been overwhelmingly positive.
I choose girls, both P4 P and non, very carefully and most of the time that works out very well for me. It's relatively rare for me to get a dud and most of the liasons I have, paid or not turn into fun and relaxing times for both parties. It's important to me that I make a woman comfortable around me and am not just straight down to business, unless that's what she wants.
Statements like yours like "she knew she was taking up a huge bill that probably wasn't her first rodeo" indicates to me that you lack respect for women. It saddens me to think that these women have to have guys like you that clearly have a chip on their shoulder. I am not an angel but I'd do try to have some respect for these women who are mostly good to me.
Lastly, the woman I wrote about has an exceptionally good job and is a doting mother to a child she lives with. She was brought up with good Thai family values and certainly is not looking for my money, just someone to wine her and dine her and treat her like a princess, much the same as girls back home, only sweeter.
Banana Boi
07-31-16, 12:56
It will have something to do with the girls ID. Maybe she forgot it at home, she's not Thai, or an obvious other reason which can't be mentioned in the forum.Ok makes sense then.
Member #4591
07-31-16, 13:35
I am looking for the opinion of some of you regarding this. If you wanted to spend 10,000 Baht for an encounter with a white skinned model type of provider, where would you source from or who would you choose? Some options I'm thinking of are the following:
1. Model Freelancer from We Chat or other chat app.
2. Outcall escort agency.
3. G Club lady.
4. Freelancer from a high end bar.
5. Sideline girl from website.
6. Coyote from Go go bar.
7. High end massage lady.
Please let me know which option you feel would be the best or if another option is available. P.S. Please don't comment if you are going to refer to being too expensive and so on. I'm looking for a high end model encounter only. This thread is no place for cheap Charlie's so please refrain from commenting if you fall into this category. No offence intended.My intention was to choose option number 6. Off I heeaded to Soi Cowboy. My first stop was Crazy House. This place was so crowded and honestly that night I could not find a white skinned model type.
My second stop was Baccara. I can't get over the miserable looking fat bastard foreigner whose always sitting at the door. Anyways, I went in and ordered a drink on the first floor and grabbed a ring side seat. For the life of me I wasn't able to spot a real stunner worthy of the 10 K. But then I glanced up and realized there was a number of awesome looking girls upstairs dancing in school girl uniforms with no panties on. Up I went to check it. My eyes zoned in on a white skinned model type with very realistic looking man mades, that stuck up motor show girl pouty look, and stuck up atitude I was looking for. The thought of giving it to this conceited little cupcake was all I could think about.
Then it hapenned. My phone rang and it was my buddy telling me he was in Soi Cowboy and wanted me to meet. So the plan was to go to Suzie Wong and look at the nude dancers doing their lesbian shows and then I would part company and go collect my little stuck up beauty. Well guess what happened? 7 beers later, 2,000 baht in lady drinks, and I was off to Climax with a hot blonde and an extra 7,000 baht in my pocket. 10,000-7,000= 3,000 Baht long time. Had a great time at Climax and banged my way into the early morning hours with this stunning hottie from Chiangmai. So the 10,000 baht plan was a complete failure in the end but plan to revisit it soon on the second floor of Baccara.
Member #4591
07-31-16, 13:51
Went to visit my regular bar in Sephan Kwai last night. To my disappointment, there were not too many girls working. After 1 beer I decided to explore a little. Across the street I went and headed back into an old haunt of mine called Harlim. To my surprise and relief, the Moma that was there before had moved on. Thank god since she was always asking me to loan her money. Anyways, the place looked alive and kicking with new talent. My eyes focused on a Japanese looking little bird dancing on stage. She looked about 19 or 20. I requested the Moma to bring her over after her set.
When she sat down, I could not believe my eyes. She was right out of one of those Japanese porn shoots. It turns out her name was Ploy Sai, 19 year old and surprisingly from Myanmar. Obviously a fake name. After some chit chat and a few beers later, I took the plunge and bar fined her. So here's the details of my bill. 2 large size Heinikens, total 300 Baht. Not one lady drink, and no bar fine. I paid the bar the 1,800 Baht short time rate up front, which is the norm in the Thai places, and off I went hand in hand with my little porn star. I arrived at my condo about 10 minutes away by taxi and hit the head. After I was finished, my little porn star was already naked and spread eagled on the bed rubbing herself. What a diamond in the ruff. Let's just say, I spent one of the best 2 hours of my mongering career. Tipped her an extra 2,000 Baht for a performance well deserved and called her a Grab taxi.
.......... My eyes focused on a Japanese looking little bird dancing on stage.
............ She was right out of one of those Japanese porn shoots. ..................Tipped her an extra 2,000 Baht for a performance well deserved and called her a Grab taxi.I think you're turning! I really think so! LOL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWWwM2wwMww
Member #4591
07-31-16, 15:05
Went to visit my regular bar in Sephan Kwai last night. To my disappointment, there were not too many girls working. After 1 beer I decided to explore a little. Across the street I went and headed back into an old haunt of mine called Harlim. To my surprise and relief, the Moma that was there before had moved on. Thank god since she was always asking me to loan her money. Anyways, the place looked alive and kicking with new talent. My eyes focused on a Japanese looking little bird dancing on stage. She looked about 19 or 20. I requested the Moma to bring her over after her set.
When she sat down, I could not believe my eyes. She was right out of one of those Japanese porn shoots. It turns out her name was Ploy Sai, 19 year old and surprisingly from Myanmar. Obviously a fake name. After some chit chat and a few beers later, I took the plunge and bar fined her. So here's the details of my bill. 2 large size Heinikens, total 300 Baht. Not one lady drink, and no bar fine. I paid the bar the 1,800 Baht short time rate up front, which is the norm in the Thai places, and off I went hand in hand with my little porn star. I arrived at my condo about 10 minutes away by taxi and hit the head. After I was finished, my little porn star was already naked and spread eagled on the bed rubbing herself. What a diamond in the ruff. Let's just say, I spent one of the best 2 hours of my mongering career. Tipped her an extra 2,000 Baht for a performance well deserved and called her a Grab taxi.Just to clarify, there's no bar fine on Sephan Kwai. I made a mistake when saying I took the plunge and bar fined her because of habit when posting about the ago go bars. It was too late to edit.
Apple Court
07-31-16, 15:16
I had a black girl from Zanzibar / Tanzania. She was crap. Worst girl this year in Thailand ir perhaps equal worst with one Thai girl. I had very few really poor girls this year. Some black girls are good some not.I tried my first of the year last night at EQ disco on Nana. Her name was Gina from Ethiopia, good looking with a great body. I sent her home shortly after arrival, turns out she didn't give a BJ, so a non-starter for me. Next time I'll have my list of expectations ready on a card that they can read in the disco.
Member #4591
07-31-16, 15:42
Just going to reply once as not to junk up the reports with debates.
He needs to swallow his pride and realize what he did was his making. The chick knew she was racking up a large bill and that probably wasn't her first rodeo. He shouldn't have kept buying all that stuff if he didn't want it to begin with. I mean really.Your not making any friends here Parkville. He was just sharing an experience so as others wouldn't fall into the same rut as him. He knows he f***** up by not inviting her over. He knows he could have taken care of business in the morning. Anyways, a totally acceptable and useful report as far as I'm concerned.
BTW kudos to not being a Cheap Charlie.
Went to visit my regular bar in Sephan Kwai last night. To my disappointment, there were not too many girls working. After 1 beer I decided to explore a little. Across the street I went and headed back into an old haunt of mine called Harlim. To my surprise and relief, the Moma that was there before had moved on. Thank god since she was always asking me to loan her money. Anyways, the place looked alive and kicking with new talent. My eyes focused on a Japanese looking little bird dancing on stage. She looked about 19 or 20. I requested the Moma to bring her over after her set.
When she sat down, I could not believe my eyes. She was right out of one of those Japanese porn shoots. It turns out her name was Ploy Sai, 19 year old and surprisingly from Myanmar. Obviously a fake name. After some chit chat and a few beers later, I took the plunge and bar fined her. So here's the details of my bill. 2 large size Heinikens, total 300 Baht. Not one lady drink, and no bar fine. I paid the bar the 1,800 Baht short time rate up front, which is the norm in the Thai places, and off I went hand in hand with my little porn star. I arrived at my condo about 10 minutes away by taxi and hit the head. After I was finished, my little porn star was already naked and spread eagled on the bed rubbing herself. What a diamond in the ruff. Let's just say, I spent one of the best 2 hours of my mongering career. Tipped her an extra 2,000 Baht for a performance well deserved and called her a Grab taxi.Oh dear. Watch out for the overpaying Police.
From me its a well done to reward a girl for being extra good. The advantage is she will probably make a special effort to get to you next time instead of the Thai customers.
I don't really understand the Japanese reference. Hairy Pussy? LOL or a screamer? LOL Was she all natural or a few Ops?
Girls return to me in bars, at least the ones I like, because they know I am not too stingy. When there are super hot girls likely to be in demand, we need every method to gain an advantage over the other customers. Paying well is one if them. I am not young and really handsome. For very ordinary girls, these measures may not be needed. A bar is different to an MP, as customers have to compete to get the girl sometimes.
I am never too generous with unwanted girls though. I refuse to buy drinks for a girl unless she deserves it in some way, even if only due to being very good looking, and being annoying is not not one of them.
Member #4591
07-31-16, 16:46
Your not making any friends here Parkville. He was just sharing an experience so as others wouldn't fall into the same rut as him. He knows he f***** up by not inviting her over. He knows he could have taken care of business in the morning. Anyways, a totally acceptable and useful report as far as I'm concerned.
BTW kudos to not being a Cheap Charlie.I mean kudos to Grrrr for not being a Cheap Charlie.
Member #4591
07-31-16, 16:51
Oh dear. Watch out for the overpaying Police.
From me its a well done to reward a girl for being extra good. The advantage is she will probably make a special effort to get to you next time instead of the Thai customers.
I don't really understand the Japanese reference. Hairy Pussy? LOL or a screamer? LOL Was she all natural or a few Ops?
Girls return to me in bars, at least the ones I like, because they know I am not too stingy. When there are super hot girls likely to be in demand, we need every method to gain an advantage over the other customers. Paying well is one if them. I am not young and really handsome. For very ordinary girls, these measures may not be needed. A bar is different to an MP, as customers have to compete to get the girl sometimes.
I am never too generous with unwanted girls though. I refuse to buy drinks for a girl unless she deserves it in some way, even if only due to being very good looking, and being annoying is not not one of them.
Lol, I'm trying to keep up with your edits. See the photo below of a similar looking girl. You will understand what I mean.
My thoughts exactly. Let's just say that the encounter ranks up there with a well known brother who puts most of his stuff to video and he pays 10 K Baht for one shot. In my case, the extra 2 K was still a bargain. Out of the initial 1,800, she only gets 1,000 and the bar takes 800, so the 2 K was well deserved.
My thoughts exactly. Let's just say that the encounter ranks up there with a well known brother who puts most of his stuff to video and he pays 10 K Baht for one shot. In my case, the extra 2 K was still a bargain. Out of the initial 1,800, she only gets 1,000 and the bar takes 800, so the 2 K was well deserved.Thanks for that comment. It explains how the barfine in effectively added to an all inclusive price which is not very high. Its too long since my last visit there.
Member #4591
07-31-16, 17:14
Thanks for that comment. It explains how the barfine in effectively added to an all inclusive price which is not very high. Its too long since my last visit there.You're welcome to come along on my next trip.
Member #4591
07-31-16, 17:18
He knew what he was doing. He did not need your condenscending advice, I am quite sure.
Instead of telling others how to behave, write more about your own experiences or mode of operation.
I don't tell guys what to do on their dates. Every guy and girl is different and has different styles. I especially don't tell people how much to spend. Budgets vary tremendously.
I prefer to write about how a good time can be had at different venues and particular girls or when I failed to have a good time. Shit happens sometimes.
I attack the more negative posters on the forum and especially the shit dumpers.I know this to be true as I sometimes get negative when people post in the wrong sections, preach about safe sex, go on and on about Thailand's prostitiion laws, and take up valuable bandwidth. Syzygies is the first guy to set me straight LOL.
Wolvenvacht
07-31-16, 19:54
Lol, I'm trying to keep up with your edits. See the photo below of a similar looking girl. You will understand what I mean.
My thoughts exactly. Let's just say that the encounter ranks up there with a well known brother who puts most of his stuff to video and he pays 10 K Baht for one shot. In my case, the extra 2 K was still a bargain. Out of the initial 1,800, she only gets 1,000 and the bar takes 800, so the 2 K was well deserved.Wow, so these manga / hentai girls really exist?
BTW kudos to not being a Cheap Charlie.Cheap Charlie seems to be your favorite pejorative Dog, as you seem to use the term quite frequently. Can you please explain to the ISG unwashed how you define a "Cheap Charlie" so we can all benefit from your insight and wisdom?
SL.
Member #4591
08-01-16, 02:21
Wow, so these manga / hentai girls really exist?She just contacted me on line and this is her photo.
Member #4591
08-01-16, 02:30
Cheap Charlie seems to be your favorite pejorative Dog, as you seem to use the term quite frequently. Can you please explain to the ISG unwashed how you define a "Cheap Charlie" so we can all benefit from your insight and wisdom?
SL.
Here you go. But me thinks if you just look in the mirror, you will get the answer. Lol
Franciscass
08-01-16, 04:35
Hypocrisy is shit dumping on the so called 'shit dumpers' of offering advice against those offering advice they don't agree with. Narcissism is continuous repetitive self-absorbed reports replete with vain glorious claims to generosity dick size and popularity with the girls. The control freak wants to impose their take on what the forum should be about. The cleverly disguised surrogates of business's they are cozy with claim vendettas whenever their shilling is exposed. Then we have the entertaining well written informative posts. All together they make ISG the best forum for debate and information on mongering on the net.
Member #4591
08-01-16, 05:12
Wow, so these manga / hentai girls really exist?Sent to me this morning by my little porn star.
Banana Boi
08-01-16, 05:24
Met a cute girl almost exactly like the last pic at a bar on Soi 7 in Pattaya the other night. Fun girl to hang with.
The pharmacy next to Bully's on Sukhumvit.
The real thing is Bt. 1900 for 4. Sealed hologram package.
Generic is Bt. 400 for 4. Sealed package.
I have yet to be able to report on the efficacy of either.
Member #4591
08-01-16, 13:36
Hypocrisy is shit dumping on the so called 'shit dumpers' of offering advice against those offering advice they don't agree with. Narcissism is continuous repetitive self-absorbed reports replete with vain glorious claims to generosity dick size and popularity with the girls. The control freak wants to impose their take on what the forum should be about. The cleverly disguised surrogates of business's they are cozy with claim vendettas whenever their shilling is exposed. Then we have the entertaining well written informative posts. All together they make ISG the best forum for debate and information on mongering on the net.Excellent post!
LittleBigMan
08-01-16, 15:31
Sent to me this morning by my little porn star.Sh-t that is where my G-Shock went!
Uncle Volodya
08-01-16, 17:32
Sent to me this morning by my little porn star.Hot Girl! A little pricey, perhaps, but nicely done.
Are farangs welcome in the Sephan Kwai bars? I think I may have a look down there next trip.
Sent to me this morning by my little porn star.I think the restaurant is closed now, but there was one in Gateway Ekkamai shopping mall with a number of those hentai dolls standing outside to lure you in.
Here you go. But me thinks if you just look in the mirror, you will get the answer. LolThanks dog. I did not expect a coherent reply, and you did not disappoint.
And hey; if deriding others by using Isaan girl bar speak you can't explain makes you feel superior, then by all means continue to get along little doggie 555.
SL.
JesseJames
08-02-16, 00:01
The pharmacy next to Bully's on Sukhumvit.
The real thing is Bt. 1900 for 4. Sealed hologram package.
Generic is Bt. 400 for 4. Sealed package.
I have yet to be able to report on the efficacy of either.What dosage?
Member #4591
08-02-16, 02:55
Thanks dog. I did not expect a coherent reply, and you did not disappoint.
And hey; if deriding others by using Isaan girl bar speak you can't explain makes you feel superior, then by all means continue to get along little doggie 555.
SL.Aww. Thanks for that Sunny. I've actually never heard an Isaan girl speak like that. It's more like southern USA trailer park trash vocabulary. Anyways, don't worry Sunny. There is an ignore button that works great for toning out members you don't wish to hear from. You should try it, it works great. However, I love your posts so would never put you on ignore. See you around Suk sometime, maybe I'll buy you a few beers. But I don't drink LEO so just be forewarned.
What dosage?20 MG in both cases.
Member #4591
08-02-16, 04:44
Hot Girl! A little pricey, perhaps, but nicely done.
Are farangs welcome in the Sephan Kwai bars? I think I may have a look down there next trip.It depends on where you go and if you can speak a little Thai. I will give a full report on this area very soon. Also 1,800 short time is not expensive at all. That includes the bar fine of 800 Baht so 1000 went to the lady and 800 to the bar. Large Heineken, not small bottle, 110-180 depending on which bar you go to. Compared to Suk the small bottles are the same or sometimes more expensive. If you are referring to my tip of 2,000 Baht, that is of course optional. So again, how is this expensive?
For 2 hours of pure porn star bliss, I think it was a steal with or without my tip.
It depends on where you go and if you can speak a little Thai. I will give a full report on this area very soon. Also 1,800 short time is not expensive at all. That includes the bar fine of 800 Baht so 1000 went to the lady and 800 to the bar. Large Heineken, not small bottle, 110-180 depending on which bar you go to. Compared to Suk the small bottles are the same or sometimes more expensive. If you are referring to my tip of 2,000 Baht, that is of course optional. So again, how is this expensive?
For 2 hours of pure porn star bliss, I think it was a steal with or without my tip.1800 is a great deal IMHO. I have not been to Saphan Kwai in about 12 years. Guess it is time for a revisit. So Harlim is the place to go? Where exactly is it located?
Uncle Volodya
08-02-16, 12:39
It depends on where you go and if you can speak a little Thai. I will give a full report on this area very soon. Also 1,800 short time is not expensive at all. That includes the bar fine of 800 Baht so 1000 went to the lady and 800 to the bar. Large Heineken, not small bottle, 110-180 depending on which bar you go to. Compared to Suk the small bottles are the same or sometimes more expensive. If you are referring to my tip of 2,000 Baht, that is of course optional. So again, how is this expensive?
For 2 hours of pure porn star bliss, I think it was a steal with or without my tip.No, I mean expensive if you include your tip. Without it I agree 1800 for a knockout girl is a very good deal.
I am happy to hear performance was good. From reading the Stickman report on the area I thought performance there was pretty bad.
http://www.stickmanweekly.com/StickmanBangkokWeeklyColumn2009/SaphanKwai.htm
Member #4591
08-02-16, 14:59
1800 is a great deal IMHO. I have not been to Saphan Kwai in about 12 years. Guess it is time for a revisit. So Harlim is the place to go? Where exactly is it located?Step by step report coming soon to help you guys navigate.
Hopefully this just a show of force. It would really be shame to see one of the great prostitution destinations go away.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1537249/thai-government-vows-to-shut-down-the-countrys-world-famous-brothels-and-sex-bars/#comments.
Member #4591
08-02-16, 17:12
Hopefully this just a show of force. It would really be shame to see one of the great prostitution destinations go away.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1537249/thai-government-vows-to-shut-down-the-countrys-world-famous-brothels-and-sex-bars/#comments.Old news, where have you been lately? The crackdown is only on places where services are offered on the premises by the obvious or non Thai girls. Less provocative advertising and more discreetness is really what she is saying. Places like Dr. BJ's were just too in your face. Nana and Soi Cowboy or walking street in Pattaya will never disappear, too many toursists and no laws are being broken anyways. But let's just play devils advocate for a second. What if she was able to get all these places closed down for good? As I said before, which obviously this member did not read, 100% the freelance bar scene, out all escort agencies, and Chat apps would be crawling with providers and the quantity of P4P action available would not change.
No, I mean expensive if you include your tip. Without it I agree 1800 for a knockout girl is a very good deal.
I am happy to hear performance was good. From reading the Stickman report on the area I thought performance there was pretty bad.
http://www.stickmanweekly.com/StickmanBangkokWeeklyColumn2009/SaphanKwai.htmMost reports coming from saphan kwai are luke-warm at best. I've always wondered about bkkdogs reports as they always contrast the norm. For example, most guys have complained that service at nataree was pretty bad often times, with BBBJ rates being quite low. For bkkdog, he claims to get BBBJ every single time. Bkkdog is very good with the ladies me thinks. Not sure others can get to his legendary level of success.
Wolvenvacht
08-02-16, 19:23
No, I mean expensive if you include your tip. Without it I agree 1800 for a knockout girl is a very good deal.
I am happy to hear performance was good. From reading the Stickman report on the area I thought performance there was pretty bad.
http://www.stickmanweekly.com/StickmanBangkokWeeklyColumn2009/SaphanKwai.htmBut then again, Stickman's report describes the scene of 7 years ago.
No, I mean expensive if you include your tip. Without it I agree 1800 for a knockout girl is a very good deal.
I am happy to hear performance was good. From reading the Stickman report on the area I thought performance there was pretty bad.
http://www.stickmanweekly.com/StickmanBangkokWeeklyColumn2009/SaphanKwai.htmFortunately we don't always agree with Stickman. I thought his reviews of the best bars had lost the plot in terms if what things made a good bar for selecting a girl.
To many extraneous criteria that were irrelevant to my thinking.
The importance if the price of a drink was one thing I thought was ridiculous. I don't go to a nudie gogo bar for cheapest drinks.
Face and figures of the girls matter. DJ matters. Serving staff matters. etc. However my purpose has little to do with drinking cheaply.
I always thought the Midnight Hour had more useful factual data.
Der Auslander
08-02-16, 20:26
Fortunately we don't always agree with Stickman. I thought his reviews of the best bars had lost the plot in terms if what things made a good bar for selecting a girl.In my opinion Stickman has no real interest in bars or girls. He covers these topics just because many of his readers still have some interest.
I'm not certain he ever was much of a monger anyway. Besides, Stickman no longer lives in Thailand and just visits from NZ every now and then. I believe he is just keeping the website going in order to sell to another party. For a few weeks in June / July he didn't even update the site.
Crocodilexp
08-02-16, 23:38
I am happy to hear performance was good. From reading the Stickman report on the area (Saphan Kwan) I thought performance there was pretty bad.
http://www.stickmanweekly.com/StickmanBangkokWeeklyColumn2009/SaphanKwai.htm2009 was eons ago in terms of mongering. Attitudes, performance and selection on Sukhumwit took a nosedive since then, and prices went up sharply. I doubt much improved in Saphan Kwai in the meantime, but perhaps it was basic then, didn't go down as much. There's always an occasional gem to be found.
I'm not familiar enough with Saphan Kwai to tell (small sample), but in general service from working girls serving Thais customers is rarely much more than basic in terms of raw sex. In cheap places it's only about getting you off, in posh ones about striking your ego more than your cock.
Member #4591
08-03-16, 01:14
Most reports coming from saphan kwai are luke-warm at best. I've always wondered about bkkdogs reports as they always contrast the norm. For example, most guys have complained that service at nataree was pretty bad often times, with BBBJ rates being quite low. For bkkdog, he claims to get BBBJ every single time. Bkkdog is very good with the ladies me thinks. Not sure others can get to his legendary level of success.Parkville, it's very simple; good millege with the ladies in Sephan Kwai, Nataree, or any other place can be obtained easily. Speaking Thai gets you a long way, especially in a mostly local area like Sephan Kwai. I've become a regular at 2 places in the area. Being generous with the ladies when they give good service also gets you good millege. Don't get me wrong, I've had my share of bad experiences in Thailand and posted about them. All of what I have said about Sephan Kwai is accurate for me, however If you don't speak Thai, you won't get along very easily there.
Onto my last point. You Parkville aren't making friends on here anytime soon. Could you maybe contribute a field report or two. Anyways, I couldn't give a rats ass if you wonder about my reports or not, as well as other memeber's reports. As far as I'm concerned you contribute absolutely nothing to this forum and never will.
Parkville, it's very simple; good millege with the ladies in Sephan Kwai, Nataree, or any other place can be obtained easily. Speaking Thai gets you a long way, especially in a mostly local area like Sephan Kwai. I've become a regular at 2 places in the area. Being generous with the ladies when they give good service also gets you good millege. Don't get me wrong, I've had my share of bad experiences in Thailand and posted about them. All of what I have said about Sephan Kwai is accurate for me, however If you don't speak Thai, you won't get along very easily there.
Onto my last point. You Parkville aren't making friends on here anytime soon. Could you maybe contribute a field report or two. Anyways, I couldn't give a rats ass if you wonder about my reports or not, as well as other memeber's reports. As far as I'm concerned you contribute absolutely nothing to this forum and never will.Agreed. If you don't speak at least some Thai, your chances of having a good time in Saphan Kwai decrease dramatically. Also it's "Thai style" and things proceed a bit differently. If you expect the venue and the gals to be like they are in Soi Cowboy or Nana you will be disappointed. Go to the area, pick a venue, order, and sit and observe the way things flow. Have a gal sit with you and buy a fruit plate. Relax and enjoy yourself. Don't rush the experience. I plan to check it out again soon.
Member #4591
08-03-16, 04:05
Agreed. If you don't speak at least some Thai, your chances of having a good time in Saphan Kwai decrease dramatically. Also it's "Thai style" and things proceed a bit differently. If you expect the venue and the gals to be like they are in Soi Cowboy or Nana you will be disappointed. Go to the area, pick a venue, order, and sit and observe the way things flow. Have a gal sit with you and buy a fruit plate. Relax and enjoy yourself. Don't rush the experience. I plan to check it out again soon.
Excellent advice. If you are looking for a change of scenery, this could be a good choice for you! your advice is spot on. Unfortunately guys like Parkville don't quite understand how things work. Anyways, I'll be there next week, most likely on Thursday. PM me if you want to tag along.
Excellent advice. If you are looking for a change of scenery, this could be a good choice for you! your advice is spot on. Unfortunately guys like Parkville don't quite understand how things work. Anyways, I'll be there next week, most likely on Thursday. PM me if you want to tag along.Appreciate it. If I am free will certainly take you up on it.
Dextro Sol
08-03-16, 14:49
Excellent advice. If you are looking for a change of scenery, this could be a good choice for you! your advice is spot on. Unfortunately guys like Parkville don't quite understand how things work. Anyways, I'll be there next week, most likely on Thursday. PM me if you want to tag along.
This sounds interesting for a change. I'm not really clear on how far to way down from bts-station. It says to the next intersection, does that mean first small strip to the left after bts or wich one is it? Would be nice to mark out on google maps for the next trip.
I also rmember another spot, mostly for thai men and sw: s only. Its a little bit off from Ratchada near airport link, if I'm not wrong I think the name is thanon phet uthai. Has anyone visited that spot?
Fwiw, have seen very little in ISG on Demonia (or affiliated BarBar). Boths lead with a BDSM theme. I've wanted to take a girl and have her willingly play by my rules. So on we go.
"Yes Master".
I'd probably be in the "average-good" camp when it comes to my p4 p experiences and expectations. A few epics, a few fails and a lot of in between but learning fast from my lessons. And I've thought about how nice it'd be to have full cooperation, to be able to restrain, spank or otherwise compel a co-operative female to be completely submissive to my interest. To scratch that itch, so to speak, I made a visit to BarBar and Demonia on Feb trip to BKK and twice again at Demonia Bangkok this summer. I got over the fact that this was going to cost more than typical Nana or Soi Cowboy fare. And little that happens in those places was going to apply in these. For starters, there's a door fee of 900 b (incl one drink). Add'l drinks are 300. Certainly high enough to discourage many. And then there's the 3500 b if your want 90 minutes with the girl of your choose in a themed room.
First visit was to BarBar (Feb 2016) and it didn't go as I expected. There is a carnival barker at the door. I think he's a owner or partner. You pay 900 bht, site unseen. You get a drink with that entry fee, and a show. There aren't many girls working here. Maybe 20 total, that includes doms, subs and switch. No stunners. I didn't truly understand the importance of clarity, as in stating-quite-clearly that you are only interested a "slave" (submissive) and not a mistress and probably not a switch. In the main room of BarBar the music and the lighting is dark. Your entry fee at BarBar also gets you a show demonstrating what can happen as a mistress takes charge of a slave. You won't be able to choose them, they seem to be on a rotation that you'll have no say in. These are more or less an act. The slave will be in a school girl outfit, a flight attendant, maid or similar outfit. Mini-skirt, stilettos and, stockings. My sort of visual thing. And they'll stay in that attire with you if that's what you want. She'll get tied up, hot waxed, spanked or lightly whipped. I bought each a lady drink. Quickly thereafter, at the discretion of the Mistress, I found myself involved. I asked the slave if she was a naughty girl. The mistress swatted her ass and the slave responded, "yes master". I asked if she was a nasty cock tease, she said "yes master" and did she deserve to be spanked. She said "yes master". This went on for a bit. Then I was given a red candle and told I could dripped wax onto her boobs and eventually, rubbed melted red wax onto her hairless labia. It was interesting finding you can do or say things that'd get your ass kicked out of many a Bangkok venue. What began as an show was getting pretty far down the proverbial rabbit hole. I thought I was learning the boundaries and how things worked. And I could have decided to take either of them, but they weren't my type. (I should mention that if you want to get yourself tied up, hot waxed, spanked and dominated by a mistress, go right ahead. The mistresses told me there is pretty strong demand.)
In sorting things out, I had spent more on drinks and dipped into my funds more than I'd planned. Decided to pass on the first slave and sighted a second girl more to my liking. I thought she was a slave, but never asked. There weren't many customers and everyone sort saw what everyone else was up to. She did allow me to put her in light bondage and take control in one of these play zones, so I thought all good. I thought we'd have a good time in the private room. I asked her if I could I leave her lightly tied up while i did a quick run to a nearby ATM. Then I paid the 3500 b, and took her to the bondage room upstairs for private time. Room is well worn and sorta grimy. After showering, I asked her to put on her costume, which she did. She had a twinkle in her eye and nicely asked if she could have my arms. Sure, what the hell I thought. Bad idea. She bound me to a set of railings and teased the hell out of me, rubbing her ass on me, BJ'd me, however, she wouldn't release the bindings on my arms so that I could properly fuck her. Then I realized I was sorta screwed. She wasn't going to relent. She would not let me finish how I wanted. She proceeded to stuffed her cute pink psy in my face, pulled it open and she HJ me off until I blew a load all over her stockings and legs. Got my nut off, but not how I thought things were going to go. I didn't understand about switch, more than likely didn't handle things the right way at the outset. Lesson learned. I figured I'd made some beginner mistakes, but this would be worth another go. It was so far out of the norm that it was worth it all just for the oddity.).
Later that week, II went to Demonia Bangkok. Suk 33. Demonia seemed more upscale than BarBar. You're screened at the wooden door, mostly checking if you're in the required plain black shirt that tells them you know something about the dress code thing. Demonia is similarly dim, with music that fit (dark trance) That night, there was large private party in a segregated area, but they were allowing customers in. . I told the mamasan that I wanted a slave, a submissive and paid the entry fee as I had already seen a couple of girls who I deemed about perfect for me. There wasn't a"show" that night as in BarBar, but I didn't care or want that either. I choose the girl that I fancied and we talked a bit at the bar. Agreed that we'd go to the bondage room. I bought her a shot of tequila and took it upstairs. On the way, my slave selected a leather paddle, some rope and some cuffs of some kind. Room was much nicer. Had a 2-1/2 meter wooden red X with restrains mounted to the wall of the room, a stockade, a queen bed and a toilet seat style chair, among other things. More things than my imagination could put to good use in 90 minutes. And the 90 minutes had turned into 2 hours and 15 minutes. When the 90 minute knock at the door came, she replied in Thai something to the effect that she was OK, was just starting to shower. 45 minutes later, she apologized, saying we'd both fallen asleep. (b. S.) I really appreciated the extra time and her covering for us. She knew there wasn't likely to be another customer and seemed to want to be in girlfriend mode till closing time.
I repeated twice with Demonia the next visit to bkk. So total there now three times. The mamasan letting me know on one occasion that the girl was new and can not take "hard", meaning to play nice. No problem, I always play nice and enjoy their submission and willingness to do as told (within reason). The girls are great at role play. Both girls were especially good at "yes master", "spank me daddy", "fuck me, master" and "please let me cum, master". These are not starfish. Can and do take a pretty good spanking. They'll cooperate in so many ways, but I don't want to hurt them or push pain limits. They also like it when you make some effort to get them off. The newer girl was multi orgasmic, completely surrendered herself. The girls told me they don't get many Americans in these places. That made my visit better for both as they sorta liked the whole white boy thing.
So "up to you" if Demonia might be of interest. I enjoyed it. Here's some pix from the last two at Demonia. Taken with permission and with a reasonable tip.
my eval, highly subjective...
Appearance of girls at Demonia 7/10.
Attitude, 9/10
Service 8/10.
Overall, would repeat at Demonia, BarBar hit or miss.
Member #4591
08-04-16, 13:01
Okay guys, here you go. But don't expect me to hold your hands too. Learn some basic Thai or bring Thai people with you. This place is best suited for foreigners who are living in Bangkok. I recommend tourists stick to the usual spots.
Get off the BTS at Sephan Kwai take a taxi to Sutthisan and turn left. About half way down the road on your left you will see the most popular bar for Thais. This bar has some real lookers but is absolutely not foreigner friendly. When you enter, it's very clear they don't want you there. You will wait longer for your drinks and the Moma sons will not approach you to introduce the girls.
After that you will turn right into an S curve. Then go straight and on the left is Harlim bar. This bar is foreigner friendly. The moma sons will take good care of you by introducing you to the ladies. ST= 1,800 including the bar fine and 2,400 for LT bar fine included. There is a short time hotel next door if you don't live near. Beers are cheap and the sitting fee for the girls is cheap but voided if you take the girl out. No lady drinks. If the girl drinks, her drink prices are the same as yours but often she will just share your beer. Best to order a few large bottles with 2 glasses.
Opposite Harlim is the largest bar. It takes up the whole block, unfortunately not foreigner friendly. If you refuse to eat and order their food, they will ask you to leave. The first time I was there, I was dressed in a suite and tie. I ordered 4 large bottles of Heineken and they refused to serve me unless I ordered food. I was not hungry and left. The second time, I just ordered beer but the problem was my chosen lady refused to go out with me.
Beside this bar on the right there is another bar. It's beside a pretty large outside restaurant. This bar is foreigner friendly with plenty of help from the Moma and pops sons. ST 2,000 and LT 3,000, the same rules apply as Harlim.
About the girls in Sephan Kwai. You will see Thai girls with a mix of Vietnamese, Laos, and Burmese girls. Some will dance on stage while others will just sit and wait to be introduced to a customer. If you are not a regular, you should wait to be introduced by the Moma Son to the girls. They will constantly bring a few to meet you. You can choose to sit with her and if you change your mind, it's easy to ask them for another girl. Mileage varies on your Thai skills and personality. The following pictures will be in the order of my post. *Sorry guys, my photos are too large, I will need to resize them first.
Talking about Saphan Kwai, I was just there about 2 weeks ago when in Bangkok for a flight connection. I came here occasionally for over a decade already, and the prices also have gone up a lot compared to before. The standard price they ask for foreigners are pretty much the same in all shops 2000ST plus room fee. Until last year I was always able to get 2000 include room, but this year 2 trips there I was quoted room extra in all the shops. Until about 2-3 years ago, I was always able to get 1500 plus room, but that is no longer available for us foreigners. But I heard many Thai regulars are still paying the old prices.
In recent years, this area is getting more and more foreign tourists especially Japanese and Koreans also western tourists are getting more common as well. D ted is the biggest shop, it has around 50-100 girls every night according to papasan. But this shop for me is always frustrating experience, because every time I saw someone of interest, she is always booked or waiting for regulars, seems like occasional visitors like me never get these few nice ones. Also D ted waiters always constantly pressure us foreign customers to buy more food more drinks. So I always ended up spending around 500-1000 for all the snacks, peanuts, fruits, beers, ice buckets, wet towels, exclude lady sitting fees. So it is in fact more pricier at the end compare to Soi Cow.
Rainbow always has a few nice pretty girls, but these few nice girls in this shop are always playing hard to get, some really choose their customers, some don't go out at all, a few years ago I pulled a nice girl from Rainbow for a very expensive LT after 4 tries in a span of about 6 months. I probably won't waste time like that nowadays.
There are a few more shops, there is one called Bai Tong across street from Rainbow, it has no English sign, it had a few nice young ones before, but this trip the level was bad, I eventually got my pay bar from here last trip, 2000 plus 300 room fee plus 800 drinks, food, sitting fee, 300 tip for lap dance touching. So it ain't much cheaper than Soi Cow or Nana, and I felt the level is also getting worse here as a whole.
For u and Chat, also can be fun late hours, most girls are open to some heavy flirting and can also do some lap dance for some tips, but papasan said some night they don't do wild things anymore, because of the political atmosphere, RCA 1 and 2 are closed for renovation on this visit. I still won't make this place as a regular hang out. But would still check it out occasionally.
Fwiw, have seen very little in ISG on Demonia (or affiliated BarBar). Boths lead with a BDSM theme. I've wanted to take a girl and have her willingly play by my rules. So on we go.
"Yes Master".
I'd probably be in the "average-good" camp when it comes to my p4 p experiences and expectations. A few epics, a few fails and a lot of in between but learning fast from my lessons. And I've thought about how nice it'd be to have full cooperation, to be able to restrain, spank or otherwise compel a co-operative female to be completely submissive to my interest. To scratch that itch, so to speak, I made a visit to BarBar and Demonia on Feb trip to BKK and twice again at Demonia Bangkok this summer. I got over the fact that this was going to cost more than typical Nana or Soi Cowboy fare. And little that happens in those places was going to apply in these. For starters, there's a door fee of 900 b (incl one drink). Add'l drinks are 300. Certainly high enough to discourage many. And then there's the 3500 b if your want 90 minutes with the girl of your choose in a themed room.
First visit was to BarBar (Feb 2016) and it didn't go as I expected. There is a carnival barker at the door. I think he's a owner or partner. You pay 900 bht, site unseen. You get a drink with that entry fee, and a show. There aren't many girls working here. Maybe 20 total, that includes doms, subs and switch. No stunners. I didn't truly understand the importance of clarity, as in stating-quite-clearly that you are only interested a "slave" (submissive) and not a mistress and probably not a switch. In the main room of BarBar the music and the lighting is dark. Your entry fee at BarBar also gets you a show demonstrating what can happen as a mistress takes charge of a slave. You won't be able to choose them, they seem to be on a rotation that you'll have no say in. These are more or less an act. The slave will be in a school girl outfit, a flight attendant, maid or similar outfit. Mini-skirt, stilettos and, stockings. My sort of visual thing. And they'll stay in that attire with you if that's what you want. She'll get tied up, hot waxed, spanked or lightly whipped. I bought each a lady drink. Quickly thereafter, at the discretion of the Mistress, I found myself involved. I asked the slave if she was a naughty girl. The mistress swatted her ass and the slave responded, "yes master". I asked if she was a nasty cock tease, she said "yes master" and did she deserve to be spanked. She said "yes master". This went on for a bit. Then I was given a red candle and told I could dripped wax onto her boobs and eventually, rubbed melted red wax onto her hairless labia. It was interesting finding you can do or say things that'd get your ass kicked out of many a Bangkok venue. What began as an show was getting pretty far down the proverbial rabbit hole. I thought I was learning the boundaries and how things worked. And I could have decided to take either of them, but they weren't my type. (I should mention that if you want to get yourself tied up, hot waxed, spanked and dominated by a mistress, go right ahead. The mistresses told me there is pretty strong demand.)
In sorting things out, I had spent more on drinks and dipped into my funds more than I'd planned. Decided to pass on the first slave and sighted a second girl more to my liking. I thought she was a slave, but never asked. There weren't many customers and everyone sort saw what everyone else was up to. She did allow me to put her in light bondage and take control in one of these play zones, so I thought all good. I thought we'd have a good time in the private room. I asked her if I could I leave her lightly tied up while i did a quick run to a nearby ATM. Then I paid the 3500 b, and took her to the bondage room upstairs for private time. Room is well worn and sorta grimy. After showering, I asked her to put on her costume, which she did. She had a twinkle in her eye and nicely asked if she could have my arms. Sure, what the hell I thought. Bad idea. She bound me to a set of railings and teased the hell out of me, rubbing her ass on me, BJ'd me, however, she wouldn't release the bindings on my arms so that I could properly fuck her. Then I realized I was sorta screwed. She wasn't going to relent. She would not let me finish how I wanted. She proceeded to stuffed her cute pink psy in my face, pulled it open and she HJ me off until I blew a load all over her stockings and legs. Got my nut off, but not how I thought things were going to go. I didn't understand about switch, more than likely didn't handle things the right way at the outset. Lesson learned. I figured I'd made some beginner mistakes, but this would be worth another go. It was so far out of the norm that it was worth it all just for the oddity.).
Later that week, II went to Demonia Bangkok. Suk 33. Demonia seemed more upscale than BarBar. You're screened at the wooden door, mostly checking if you're in the required plain black shirt that tells them you know something about the dress code thing. Demonia is similarly dim, with music that fit (dark trance) That night, there was large private party in a segregated area, but they were allowing customers in. . I told the mamasan that I wanted a slave, a submissive and paid the entry fee as I had already seen a couple of girls who I deemed about perfect for me. There wasn't a"show" that night as in BarBar, but I didn't care or want that either. I choose the girl that I fancied and we talked a bit at the bar. Agreed that we'd go to the bondage room. I bought her a shot of tequila and took it upstairs. On the way, my slave selected a leather paddle, some rope and some cuffs of some kind. Room was much nicer. Had a 2-1/2 meter wooden red X with restrains mounted to the wall of the room, a stockade, a queen bed and a toilet seat style chair, among other things. More things than my imagination could put to good use in 90 minutes. And the 90 minutes had turned into 2 hours and 15 minutes. When the 90 minute knock at the door came, she replied in Thai something to the effect that she was OK, was just starting to shower. 45 minutes later, she apologized, saying we'd both fallen asleep. (b. S.) I really appreciated the extra time and her covering for us. She knew there wasn't likely to be another customer and seemed to want to be in girlfriend mode till closing time.
I repeated twice with Demonia the next visit to bkk. So total there now three times. The mamasan letting me know on one occasion that the girl was new and can not take "hard", meaning to play nice. No problem, I always play nice and enjoy their submission and willingness to do as told (within reason). The girls are great at role play. Both girls were especially good at "yes master", "spank me daddy", "fuck me, master" and "please let me cum, master". These are not starfish. Can and do take a pretty good spanking. They'll cooperate in so many ways, but I don't want to hurt them or push pain limits. They also like it when you make some effort to get them off. The newer girl was multi orgasmic, completely surrendered herself. The girls told me they don't get many Americans in these places. That made my visit better for both as they sorta liked the whole white boy thing.
So "up to you" if Demonia might be of interest. I enjoyed it. Here's some pix from the last two at Demonia. Taken with permission and with a reasonable tip.
my eval, highly subjective...
Appearance of girls at Demonia 7/10.
Attitude, 9/10
Service 8/10.
Overall, would repeat at Demonia, BarBar hit or miss.Demonia the same price as Bar-Bar for the upstairs fun?
Member #4591
08-04-16, 17:30
Talking about Saphan Kwai, I was just there about 2 weeks ago when in Bangkok for a flight connection. I came here occasionally for over a decade already, and the prices also have gone up a lot compared to before. The standard price they ask for foreigners are pretty much the same in all shops 2000ST plus room fee. Until last year I was always able to get 2000 include room, but this year 2 trips there I was quoted room extra in all the shops. Until about 2-3 years ago, I was always able to get 1500 plus room, but that is no longer available for us foreigners. But I heard many Thai regulars are still paying the old prices.
Also the waiters always constantly pressure us foreign customers to buy more food more drinks. So I always ended up spending around 500-1000 for all the snacks, peanuts, fruits, beers, ice buckets, wet towels, exclude lady sitting fees. So it is in fact more pricier at the end compare to Soi Cow.
I eventually got my pay bar from here last trip, 2000 plus 300 room fee plus 800 drinks, food, sitting fee, 300 tip for lap dance touching. So it ain't much cheaper than Soi Cow or Nana, and I felt the level is also getting worse here as a whole.
I think you mean bars not shops. You make it sound like a Soi 6 in Pattaya where the rooms are above the bars. Secondly the hotel has nothing to do with the bar. I don't know why you are connecting the 2 unless it is just to calculate the total cost. Anyways it does not matter. If you are crying about 300 Baht then you should not be practicing this hobby. I never ever thought I would hear someone complain about 1800 Baht short time plus short time hotel. Geeze. I think the name Cheap Charlie was created by you. I think I owe you royalties for using the name. I also never paid the prices for the girls sitting in the two bars i go to since I take a girl outside. The beers are the large size, so it's almost 2 for the price of 1 if you compare it to Soi Cowboy. Geeze. I just can't get over your comparisons. 800 Baht for food, and beers???? I spend 2-3K on just drinks for me and the ladies most nights in Nana or Soi Cowboy. My god!!!!! Sephan Kwai has not lady drinks and if you do pay a sitting fee, it's very cheap. You can't even come close to comparing it to the regular tourists haunts when it comes to price. Soi Cowboy and Nana girls are asking 3000 ST and you are lucky to get 2500 and now it's almost unheard of to get 2000 ST. Give your head a shake man with all due respect.
But, the only good thing about your post is you mentioned the names which i did with only 1. It's always too dark and I never notice the signs. Google street view helped me learn the names. I'm almost always too drunk as well.
Okay Syziggies, where are you when I need you? It's time for you to tell me I'm being rude. You are always the voice of reason. Okay, I'm okay now. Cheap Charlie can stay and post LOL. Remember, everyone has the right to their own opinion.
Hi Guys, I'll be in BKK for five days at the end of the month (three days near river / Silom Road; and two in Sukhumvit area). Any big boob sightings (on a slim body) or referrals deeply appreciated. Soapies, go go girls, escorts, freelancers I don't care. No ladyboys of course. Also, how's the action at Biergarten? Thanks.
Member #4591
08-04-16, 18:17
Hi Guys, I'll be in BKK for five days at the end of the month (three days near river / Silom Road; and two in Sukhumvit area). Any big boob sightings (on a slim body) or referrals deeply appreciated. Soapies, go go girls, escorts, freelancers I don't care. No ladyboys of course. Also, how's the action at Biergarten? Thanks.There are some real nice sized ones at Baccara on Soi Cowboy. Go up to the second floor. The Soi 7 beer garden is a dump now. Climax has a huge amount of FL ladies with big ones.
I think you mean bars not shops. You make it sound like a Soi 6 in Pattaya where the rooms are above the bars. Secondly the hotel has nothing to do with the bar. I don't know why you are connecting the 2 unless it is just to calculate the total cost. Anyways it does not matter. If you are crying about 300 Baht then you should not be practicing this hobby. I never ever thought I would hear someone complain about 1800 Baht short time plus short time hotel. Geeze. I think the name Cheap Charlie was created by you. I think I owe you royalties for using the name. I also never paid the prices for the girls sitting in the two bars i go to since I take a girl outside. The beers are the large size, so it's almost 2 for the price of 1 if you compare it to Soi Cowboy. Geeze. I just can't get over your comparisons. 800 Baht for food, and beers???? I spend 2-3K on just drinks most nights in Nana or Soi Cowboy. My god!!!!! You can't even come close to comparing it to the regular tourists haunts when it comes to price. Soi Cowboy and Nana girls are asking 3000 ST and you are lucky to get 2500 and now it's almost unheard of to get 2000 ST. Give your head a shake man with all due respect.
But, the only good thing about your post is you mentioned the names which i did with only 1. It's always too dark and I never notice the signs. Google street view helped me learn the names. I'm almost always too drunk as well.
Okay Syziggies, where are you when I need you? It's time for you to tell me I'm being rude. You are always the voice of reason. Okay, I'm okay now. Cheap Charlie can stay and post LOL. Remember, everyone has the right to their own opinion.BKKdog, I think you're over reacting, if you like to overpay that's just you, you can't expect everyone to do the same.
Always ask yourself what's the average salary, then compare to what girls are asking.
3000ST could be a western price, not a Thai one.
Girls at 7/11 get 6000 A MONTH.
So if you are willing to pay 3000 for ST then you have been scammed, it's like going to a FKK in Germany and pay 500 euro for 30 min.
So please don't call cheap charlie people who don't want to get scammed same you.
I think you mean bars not shops. You make it sound like a Soi 6 in Pattaya where the rooms are above the bars. Secondly the hotel has nothing to do with the bar. I don't know why you are connecting the 2 unless it is just to calculate the total cost. Anyways it does not matter.In the past, you pay a total price include room in many of these bars, they gave you a voucher for the room, so you don't need to pay again. But this practice has gradually gone in recent years, but I think for Thai regulars they still do in some of the bars. I think we get many customers like Bbkdog, that's why BKK scene is no longer worth it. A few of these can quickly ruin the whole scene in Laos or northern Myanmar.
Member #4591
08-04-16, 19:12
In the past, you pay a total price include room in many of these bars, they gave you a voucher for the room, so you don't need to pay again. But this practice has gradually gone in recent years, but I think for Thai regulars they still do in some of the bars. I think we get many customers like Bbkdog, that's why BKK scene is no longer worth it. A few of these can quickly ruin the whole scene in Laos or northern Myanmar.Ya a few guys paying 300-500 Baht more really ruins the scene. Got it! Next time I'm in Sephan Kwai, I will insist on 1,000 ST and tell them I must pay 300 for the room in the independent hotel across the street- total 1,300 or no deal!!! The nerve of them asking 1,800 short time! They should be charged with highway robbery and majorly contributing to the increase of prices in Bangkok. Apparently you were just there 2 weeks ago so we are not talking about the past. How old are you? 110? Maybe you forgot you were just there. Anyways, it's not 1985 anymore man. Care to explain your price comparisons between here and the tourist spots? You just focused on the hotel accross the street.
Member #4591
08-04-16, 19:48
BKKdog, I think you're over reacting, if you like to overpay that's just you, you can't expect everyone to do the same.
Always ask yourself what's the average salary, then compare to what girls are asking.
3000ST could be a western price, not a Thai one.
Girls at 7/11 get 6000 A MONTH.
So if you are willing to pay 3000 for ST then you have been scammed, it's like going to a FKK in Germany and pay 500 euro for 30 min.
So please don't call cheap charlie people who don't want to get scammed same you.The debate here is about what I paid in Sephan Kwai 1,800 Baht short time and it being to expensive. And 800 Baht total for drinks, food, ice and so on. He is comparing this to Soi Cowboy and Nana by saying 1800 short time is the same. Oh boy, we really need to learn how to read with all due respect. Cheers mate and thanks for coming out. This debate is now closed lol. Onto bigger and better things.
Member #4698
08-04-16, 20:04
Soi Cowboy and Nana girls are asking 3000 ST and you are lucky to get 2500 and now it's almost unheard of to get 2000 ST.
Always ask yourself what's the average salary, then compare to what girls are asking. 3000ST could be a western price, not a Thai one. Girls at 7/11 get 6000 A MONTH. So if you are willing to pay 3000 for ST then you have been scammed, it's like going to a FKK in Germany and pay 500 euro for 30 min.
So please don't call cheap charlie people who don't want to get scammed same you.Bkkdog is telling it like it is. If you want a pretty little CH, Baccara, RB, Mandarin Go Go girl between 8 pm and midnight it is going to run you between 2500 and 3000 for ST plus drinks, which are not mandatory except in Baccara, although recommended everywhere to set the right mood, plus the barfine. That's the current Go Go price Ziggy whether you like it or not.
Now I know guys can always go somewhere else for their poontang and I am sure that is just what you do. I myself like to window shop from time to time and take a look at the SW's hanging out in the Nana Parking lot, up and down on Soi 4, and on Sukhumvit between Thermae and Robinsons. I also like to see what's on offer from the late night massage girls on Soi 11. The last time I was in BKK, for example, I spotted two very sexy dirty bleached blonds hanging out every night in the Nana parking lot and I flirted with a very sexy spinner who had set up her office every night by Robinsons near the Westin. I passed on the SW's this trip, but I did have reunion sex with the 30 something Mamasan and proud owner of two massage shops in the Ambassador arcade one night and I had a blast with her (1500bt - I might have overpaid 555).
I guess it is obvious from all my posts that I like Go Go's, Soapies, Oilies, G Clubs, Nightclubs and occasionally something from the street in that order. Prices vary largely by venue, but the variety is amazing. What irks me about posts like yours is the attempt to proselytize your sporting preferences based most likely on budgetary constraints and to ultimately convince yourself that you are not missing out on anything by following your path and refusing to be "scammed" as you so colorfully put it. But believe me or not; WE (Go Go/Soapy/G-Club guys) ARE NOT BEING SCAMMED. We know what we are doing. We are having a great time with hot little BKK girls all over town.
So look, nothing personal, why don't you post some informative reports like Bkkdog's recent one on Saphan Kwai. Tell us what you like about your girls, where you found them, how they performed, how much you paid and throw in a photo or two if you want. Leave out the subjective crap about what others are paying in completely different venues. You don't like to pay Sukhumvit Go Go prices. We get that. Tell us what you do like, why, and where.
Bkkdog is telling it like it is. If you want a pretty little CH, Baccara, RB, Mandarin Go Go girl between 8 pm and midnight it is going to run you between 2500 and 3000 for ST plus drinks, which are not mandatory except in Baccara, although recommended everywhere to set the right mood, plus the barfine. That's the current Go Go price Ziggy whether you like it or not.
Now I know guys can always go somewhere else for their poontang and I am sure that is just what you do. I myself like to window shop from time to time and take a look at the SW's hanging out in the Nana Parking lot, up and down on Soi 4, and on Sukhumvit between Thermae and Robinsons. I also like to see what's on offer from the late night massage girls on Soi 11. The last time I was in BKK, for example, I spotted two very sexy dirty bleached blonds hanging out every night in the Nana parking lot and I flirted with a very sexy spinner who had set up her office every night by Robinsons near the Westin. I passed on the SW's this trip, but I did have reunion sex with the 30 something Mamasan and proud owner of two massage shops in the Ambassador arcade one night and I had a blast with her (1500bt - I might have overpaid 555).
I guess it is obvious from all my posts that I like Go Go's, Soapies, Oilies, G Clubs, Nightclubs and occasionally something from the street in that order. Prices vary largely by venue, but the variety is amazing. What irks me about posts like yours is the attempt to proselytize your sporting preferences based most likely on budgetary constraints and to ultimately convince yourself that you are not missing out on anything by following your path and refusing to be "scammed" as you so colorfully put it. But believe me or not; WE (Go Go/Soapy/G-Club guys) ARE NOT BEING SCAMMED. We know what we are doing. We are having a great time with hot little BKK girls all over town.
So look, nothing personal, why don't you post some informative reports like Bkkdog's recent one on Saphan Kwai. Tell us what you like about your girls, where you found them, how they performed, how much you paid and throw in a photo or two if you want. Leave out the subjective crap about what others are paying in completely different venues. You don't like to pay Sukhumvit Go Go prices. We get that. Tell us what you do like, why, and where.As always you have summed it up very succinctly. The point is if you know what you are doing you will not overpay but accept that fair value needs a fair price!
The debate here is about what I paid in Sephan Kwai 1,800 Baht short time and it being to expensive. And 800 Baht total for drinks, food, ice and so on. He is comparing this to Soi Cowboy and Nana by saying 1800 short time is the same. Oh boy, we really need to learn how to read with all due respect. Cheers mate and thanks for coming out. This debate is now closed lol. Onto bigger and better things.Ziggy there is truth in dog's post LOL read it carefully.
Member #4591
08-05-16, 04:06
Bkkdog is telling it like it is. If you want a pretty little CH, Baccara, RB, Mandarin Go Go girl between 8 pm and midnight it is going to run you between 2500 and 3000 for ST plus drinks, which are not mandatory except in Baccara, although recommended everywhere to set the right mood, plus the barfine. That's the current Go Go price Ziggy whether you like it or not.
Now I know guys can always go somewhere else for their poontang and I am sure that is just what you do. I myself like to window shop from time to time and take a look at the SW's hanging out in the Nana Parking lot, up and down on Soi 4, and on Sukhumvit between Thermae and Robinsons. I also like to see what's on offer from the late night massage girls on Soi 11. The last time I was in BKK, for example, I spotted two very sexy dirty bleached blonds hanging out every night in the Nana parking lot and I flirted with a very sexy spinner who had set up her office every night by Robinsons near the Westin. I passed on the SW's this trip, but I did have reunion sex with the 30 something Mamasan and proud owner of two massage shops in the Ambassador arcade one night and I had a blast with her (1500bt - I might have overpaid 555).
I guess it is obvious from all my posts that I like Go Go's, Soapies, Oilies, G Clubs, Nightclubs and occasionally something from the street in that order. Prices vary largely by venue, but the variety is amazing. What irks me about posts like yours is the attempt to proselytize your sporting preferences based most likely on budgetary constraints and to ultimately convince yourself that you are not missing out on anything by following your path and refusing to be "scammed" as you so colorfully put it. But believe me or not; WE (Go Go/Soapy/G-Club guys) ARE NOT BEING SCAMMED. We know what we are doing. We are having a great time with hot little BKK girls all over town.
So look, nothing personal, why don't you post some informative reports like Bkkdog's recent one on Saphan Kwai. Tell us what you like about your girls, where you found them, how they performed, how much you paid and throw in a photo or two if you want. Leave out the subjective crap about what others are paying in completely different venues. You don't like to pay Sukhumvit Go Go prices. We get that. Tell us what you do like, why, and where.Speaking of G clubs, I must get back to the Pimp and also try their new club Kush. Also I've heard good things about a club called Sugar. Thanks for the reminder my brother.
Demonia the same price as Bar-Bar for the upstairs fun?Yes, same. Demonia Bangkok has a website that covers this. http://www.demoniabangkok.com/rates_demonia_bangkok.html.
In recent trips to Saphan Kwai, last 3 trips or so, I have been quoted 2 k ST plus room 300 to 500 from various shops like T ded, Rainbow, Chat, For you, Bai Tong ect, but before that for years, it was easy to get 1. 5 k-2 k with a room voucher. I was not too sure about the recent price hike. This is a very local hunt ground for ordinary somchais, I just don't really believe average somchai pays 2 k ST, plus room plus food and drinks, and pretty much near 3 k for a ST session for an ordinary Thai man.
I was chatting with a friend from decent playboy last night, who is long term expert in Saphan Kwai, he told me the things I suspected, recently the big increase the number of foreign tourists in this areas namely the Japanese, these shops have developed a double pricing. They have somewhat standardized 2 k short time rate for tourists or 2. 5 k with hotel voucher in some shops.
He could confirm that the ordinary Thai customers are still paying 1. 5 k plus room, and the shop regulars are still paying 1. 5 k include room for years now. So just keep in mind about the recent double pricing when visiting this areas. You can try to bargain down but may not work anymore.
Member #4591
08-05-16, 07:19
In recent trips to Saphan Kwai, last 3 trips or so, I have been quoted 2 k ST plus room 300 to 500 from various shops like T ded, Rainbow, Chat, For you, Bai Tong ect, but before that for years, it was easy to get 1. 5 k-2 k with a room voucher. I was not too sure about the recent price hike. This is a very local hunt ground for ordinary somchais, I just don't really believe average somchai pays 2 k ST, plus room plus food and drinks, and pretty much near 3 k for a ST session for an ordinary Thai man.
I was chatting with a friend from decent playboy last night, who is long term expert in Saphan Kwai, he told me the things I suspected, recently the big increase the number of foreign tourists in this areas namely the Japanese, these shops have developed a double pricing. They have somewhat standardized 2 k short time rate for tourists or 2. 5 k with hotel voucher in some shops.
He could confirm that the ordinary Thai customers are still paying 1. 5 k plus room, and the shop regulars are still paying 1. 5 k include room for years now. So just keep in mind about the recent double pricing when visiting this areas. You can try to bargain down but may not work anymore.Yes be very careful of the extra 300-500 Baht. Horrible! Highway robbery I tell you!!!
Yes be very careful of the extra 300-500 Baht. Horrible! Highway robbery I tell you!!!When we see a market start to develop a double or triple pricing, it is always the beginning of the end, the beginning of the long slide downwards for this market. 300-500 extra may be small, but it is just the start, it usually get worse and worse when every naive tourist or expat just pay and pay according to the shop's liking. Very soon the naive foreigners will be paying 1000 more than ordinary somchai. The trend would just keep going.
I have seen many markets in ruin just in these few years due to this attitude. Naive foreigners paying 1/2 or 1/3 of Thai monthly salary for a ST in some local somchai joints. The whole BKK areas pricing have basically been ruined by this attitude, including very local joints in Pinklao, Bearing, La Phrao, Minburi, ect in recent years these once honest local somchai joints all have learned their trick to extort 300-500 or 1000 or even more off foreigners with these attitude. It's not fun anymore when most of the mamasan and papasan try to extort as much from you as they can simply because you are foreigner. These BKK local joints in the suburbs unfortunately have all slid into such.
I hope these people confined themselves to BKK, since the whole scene local or foreign there have been pretty much ruined by this attitude. I am glad the world is not too small, there are still some little green spots here and there for us to enjoy and don't need to pay 1/2 or 1/3 of local month salary for a ST. But of course we will try to keep these little green spots pure of contamination as long as possible. A few with this attitude can surely ruin it in no time.
I hope these people confined themselves to BKK, since the whole scene local or foreign there have been pretty much ruined by this attitude. I am glad the world is not too small, there are still some little green spots here and there for us to enjoy and don't need to pay 1/2 or 1/3 of local month salary for a ST. But of course we will try to keep these little green spots pure of contamination as long as possible. A few with this attitude can surely ruin it in no time.There is another viewpoint of which I was made aware one evening when I was taken by some work colleagues to a local bar in a seedy part of Manila Philippines.
The local filipinos wanted to keep this area for filipinos only and didn't want foreigners coming in to their playground.
One guy explained it like this:
You foreigners have money so you have a choice. You can go anywhere you wish like the expensive places (the places he mentioned in Manila would probably equate to Nana, Soi Cowboy and parts of Sukhumvit in Bkk). Expensive places under his definition would be the standard bar scene in most places for us.
He went on to say that "we cannot afford to go anywhere near those places, so we want to have our own places that we can afford, and we don't want you guys messing it up for us".
Luckily I was with a group of locals who were well-known and so it was OK for me to visit once, but I soon got the hint that I would not be welcome if I tried to return alone.
This jibes with Bkkdog's story about how he didn't feel welcome when he intruded into Sephan Kwai.
I have sympathy for them. Most of us have a choice where we go for drinks etc, but many locals on laborer's wages cannot do that, so to go into their territory even if you're a cheap charlie is probably going to get the locals offside.
Member #4591
08-05-16, 11:40
There is another viewpoint of which I was made aware one evening when I was taken by some work colleagues to a local bar in a seedy part of Manila Philippines.
The local filipinos wanted to keep this area for filipinos only and didn't want foreigners coming in to their playground.
One guy explained it like this:
You foreigners have money so you have a choice. You can go anywhere you wish like the expensive places (the places he mentioned in Manila would probably equate to Nana, Soi Cowboy and parts of Sukhumvit in Bkk). Expensive places under his definition would be the standard bar scene in most places for us.
He went on to say that "we cannot afford to go anywhere near those places, so we want to have our own places that we can afford, and we don't want you guys messing it up for us".
Luckily I was with a group of locals who were well-known and so it was OK for me to visit once, but I soon got the hint that I would not be welcome if I tried to return alone.
This jibes with Bkkdog's story about how he didn't feel welcome when he intruded into Sephan Kwai.
I have sympathy for them. Most of us have a choice where we go for drinks etc, but many locals on laborer's wages cannot do that, so to go into their territory even if you're a cheap charlie is probably going to get the locals offside.Don't worry about this thing guys. Be polite to the locals and have fun. This scare mongering is uncalled for. I've made plenty of friends in Sephan Kwai with the regulars and often sit with them. Very few Japanese guys in the bars when I have attended. There have always been 99% Thai. Anyways, don't listen to these negative guys. Learn a little Thai and enjoy a new experience.
Don't worry about this thing guys. Be polite to the locals and have fun. This scare mongering is uncalled for. Anyways, don't listen to these negative guys. Learn a little Thai and enjoy a new experience.Not meant to be scaremongering nor deliberately negative.
I merely related what I was told in Cubao, Manila and extrapolated it to Bkk, and it made sense to me.
It was also a warning for those who might not have the "in-your-face" braggadocio of Bkkdog or who need to fly under the radar.
Franciscass
08-05-16, 14:30
To argue that there is a direct consequential impact on P4P prices arising from some punters being generous tippers is so ridiculous as to be unworthy of serious consideration. It is nothing more than an excuse cheap Charlies use to justify their miserly stinginess.
When we see a market start to develop a double or triple pricing, it is always the beginning of the end, the beginning of the long slide downwards for this market. 300-500 extra may be small, but it is just the start, it usually get worse and worse when every naive tourist or expat just pay and pay according to the shop's liking. Very soon the naive foreigners will be paying 1000 more than ordinary somchai. The trend would just keep going.
I have seen many markets in ruin just in these few years due to this attitude. Naive foreigners paying 1/2 or 1/3 of Thai monthly salary for a ST in some local somchai joints. The whole BKK areas pricing have basically been ruined by this attitude, including very local joints in Pinklao, Bearing, La Phrao, Minburi, ect in recent years these once honest local somchai joints all have learned their trick to extort 300-500 or 1000 or even more off foreigners with these attitude. It's not fun anymore when most of the mamasan and papasan try to extort as much from you as they can simply because you are foreigner. These BKK local joints in the suburbs unfortunately have all slid into such.
I hope these people confined themselves to BKK, since the whole scene local or foreign there have been pretty much ruined by this attitude. I am glad the world is not too small, there are still some little green spots here and there for us to enjoy and don't need to pay 1/2 or 1/3 of local month salary for a ST. But of course we will try to keep these little green spots pure of contamination as long as possible. A few with this attitude can surely ruin it in no time.Although I agree with dog, Shinshin is pretty cool. I find it funny that dog's reply was in IE. Mr. T would say "sit your a $$ down fool" but Shinshin reply with calm manner which was like conversing with oil and water. I actually like, he is classy guy. I agree with dog on that any Asian country if you know bit of their language gets you very far.
Member #4566
08-05-16, 14:53
Don't worry about this thing guys. Be polite to the locals and have fun. This scare mongering is uncalled for. I've made plenty of friends in Sephan Kwai with the regulars and often sit with them. Very few Japanese guys in the bars when I have attended. There have always been 99% Thai. Anyways, don't listen to these negative guys. Learn a little Thai and enjoy a new experience."Scaremonger"; Very well put. I like it. Is "naysayer" too formal? How about "craphound" because he poo poo's everything?
Member #4591
08-05-16, 15:09
Not meant to be scaremongering nor deliberately negative.
I merely related what I was told in Cubao, Manila and extrapolated it to Bkk, and it made sense to me.
It was also a warning for those who might not have the "in-your-face" braggadocio of Bkkdog or who need to fly under the radar.So what you are saying is don't go to Sephan Kwai if you are shy and don't go to Sephan Kwai if you are a criminal. Good thinking. It you want to fly under the radar, you should go to Nana or Soi Cowboy or maybe even Climax. Thanks for the stupid warning.
Wow, you guys are unbelievable. You post a report about the cheapest set of Go Go's in Bangkok and you get an old fart complaining the prices are still too high, the price police mistaking it as Nana and Soi Cowboy, and the girly men warning of a local mob that will attack you for invading their territory in the Philipines, oh wait, I mean Bangkok. LOL. You guys are too much. Get a life really! With all due respect, I'm just sayin.
Yes, same. Demonia Bangkok has a website that covers this. http://www.demoniabangkok.com/rates_demonia_bangkok.html.Gives the price for membership and drinks but does not cover price of the gals.
Don't worry about this thing guys. Be polite to the locals and have fun. This scare mongering is uncalled for. I've made plenty of friends in Sephan Kwai with the regulars and often sit with them. Very few Japanese guys in the bars when I have attended. There have always been 99% Thai. Anyways, don't listen to these negative guys. Learn a little Thai and enjoy a new experience.Spot on. Amazing that anyone would feel threatened there. And yes, there are some clubs that we are not so welcome in; but so what? Thai dudes are not allowed into Nana and Cowboy GoGos.
Bkkdog is telling it like it is. If you want a pretty little CH, Baccara, RB, Mandarin Go Go girl between 8 pm and midnight it is going to run you between 2500 and 3000 for ST plus drinks, which are not mandatory except in Baccara, although recommended everywhere to set the right mood, plus the barfine. That's the current Go Go price Ziggy whether you like it or not.Not a scam at all, but in my mind way too much for what is normally delivered. Most BKK GoGo gals are still 25 USD f*cks no matter what they are charging.
Member #4698
08-05-16, 16:57
Not a scam at all, but in my mind way too much for what is normally delivered. Most BKK GoGo gals are still 25 USD f*cks no matter what they are charging.I agree with you that "MOST" BKK Go Go gals are not worth it in the looks department, but I focus on that 10% which equates to the 4 or 5 girls that I view as very sexy and look worthy that I find in the better Go Go's like CH for example. In the early stages of a BKK visit, I randomly call the attractive, available ones over for a drink and then I see what develops.
My MO is simple: I rarely go to a Go Go to find a new girl for a specific night when I am horny. When I am in need, which is typically only on the first couple of days in town, I visit an oily in the afternoon or a soapy in the early part of the evening to take the edge off before I hit the Go Go's. I swear the Go Go girls can smell the scent of sex on a man and they like it. The result of having been laid earlier is that I am in a very relaxed confident mood when I enter a Go Go so I can take my time and enjoy the evening meeting new girls. I like to buy a prospective Go Go girl a drink or two and get to know her a little. I go slow and let her bring up the subject of a barfine. Then I usually tell her, "I can not tonight" and make up some excuse like I have to meet a friend later or something, (but if I like the girl) I also tell her I am glad we met and that I will come back to see her and barfine the next night. Some of my new girls may doubt what I am saying, but I impress upon them that I will be back to see them and we make a date out of it.
I know this MO might sound foolish and even farcical to some point and shoot punters. After all, I hear them thinking, these girls are just prostitutes, but I assure you my method really works with the result being a 4 or 5 hour ST GFE on the first barfine night with my new acquaintance Go Go girls nearly 95% of the time. I never negotiate or talk about service beforehand. The girls who are not good performers, who tend to overcharge, or who are on a time clock usually get filtered out on the first no barfine interview night, but the rare bad ones that make it to barfine night and then disappoint never get a 2nd shot while the girls that I click with find me a steady repeat customer.
Most Go Go girls I relate to realize the value of having a friendly repeat customer and in this way I succeed in turning the tables on them to my advantage making the Go Go scene a buyers market for me with my girls Lining me every night, telling me they miss me, Ha Ha, and asking when I will drop by and see them again. The Line chatter usually begins at around 5pm when I find myself texting back and forth with 4 or 5 of my girls simultaneously. As my BKK visit progresses, I end up meeting and getting to know some of my Go Go girls' sexier friends (and relatives) as well and I have the opportunity to set up threesomes. It is just Fun, Fun, Fun! Thus by the end of a typical 4 week visit to BKK, every girl in CH, my current favorite Go Go for example, recognizes me as soon as I enter the joint and knows what I do there even though we have never spoken. At this stage in my trip many Go Go girls are giving me that, "please call me over & barfine me handsome man," smile. 555, and they are envious of my girls, who have benefited so well from treating me good.
So yeah, I really like the Go Go venue and I do very well here hooking up with some great quality girls, but I totally understand that this venue is not for everybody. That is the great thing about BKK ie there are so many excellent alternatives to suit most anybody's taste. Still! 5555! So stay hungry, my friend. I can't wait until my next trip.
BKKdog, I think you're over reacting, if you like to overpay that's just you, you can't expect everyone to do the same.
Always ask yourself what's the average salary, then compare to what girls are asking.
3000ST could be a western price, not a Thai one.
Girls at 7/11 get 6000 A MONTH.
So if you are willing to pay 3000 for ST then you have been scammed, it's like going to a FKK in Germany and pay 500 euro for 30 min.
So please don't call cheap charlie people who don't want to get scammed same you.I don't know what girls working at 7-11 (or comparable shops) in Germany, France or other European countries are paid but in the USA it is probably about $1500 USD per month. I am sure if the cutest 22 year-olds among them, no weird tattoos, non-smokers, non-druggies, clean and sweet natured, angelic faces, flawless bodies, shaved poozles, etc. , made themselves easily accessible any night of the week in higher end entertainment districts of the biggest cities in the USA with no hassle whatsoever (New York, L. A. , Chicago, Las Vegas.), came to the customer's room or apartment and spent a good 2 hours with him, kissing, licking and sucking his balls and dick to a sturdy and happy erection, possibly to a full BBBJ + CIM finish (up to the customer) or, again at the customer's option, fucked him bareback to his liking with a smile, followed by a hug, a kiss and a big thank you afterwards, they could easily command $750 USD for such an encounter in that kind of environment from guys who drive hard bargains for quality service and products for a living.
Now factor in that the customer in my example is 63 years old and I am even more impressed by the terrific deal I got, using your comparison criteria, the last time I paid a similarly described Bangkok go-go dancer 3,000 THB for ST, which was sometime last month. Mind you, I am not comparing it with what I would have to pay in the USA. I am using the 7-11 monthly pay basis you used, where 3,000 THB would represent half of what a 7-11 employee in Thailand is paid.
And again, I am using the USA as the "western" price comparison here. I am not sure where or under what circumstances and conditions such a 22 year old girl will go with a 63 year old customer and deliver that kind of service in the USA for a mere $88 USD. But that is the approximate exchange rate for 3,000 THB these days.
LittleBigMan
08-05-16, 18:41
Even 7/11 wages have gone up. Minimum wage is 300 baht a day, in general 30 days = 9000 baht a month. General, starting pay range from 8500-9000 depending on experience and you must have a graduate certificate like a GED, to apply.
Crocodilexp
08-05-16, 19:57
Even 7/11 wages have gone up. Minimum wage is 300 baht a day, in general 30 days = 9000 baht a month. General, starting pay range from 8500-9000 depending on experience and you must have a graduate certificate like a GED, to apply.
Normal people to take days off. A typical month has 5/7*30 = 21.4 working days, and at 300 baht / day that gives 6600 or so, rounded up.
Sure, some people work overtime, but we were discussing a normal salary.
Wolvenvacht
08-05-16, 20:48
Spot on. Amazing that anyone would feel threatened there. And yes, there are some clubs that we are not so welcome in; but so what? Thai dudes are not allowed into Nana and Cowboy GoGos.Thai dudes not allowed in Soi Cowboy agogos? That's the first time I heard about that. I definitely remember having seen (SE) Asian guys in Suzie Wong and they were not Chinese, Japanese or Korean. They might have been Lao, Khmer, Burmese or Vietnamese but I doubt they would come to Bangkok and visit Soi Cowboy. So I always assumed they were Thai.
Spot on. Amazing that anyone would feel threatened there. And yes, there are some clubs that we are not so welcome in; but so what? Thai dudes are not allowed into Nana and Cowboy GoGos.I have seen Thai dudes not allowed into Nana. Mainly because they might be the BG boyfriend or family. And the BG does not want to be recognized by family or worst by her province neighbors.
I have seen Thai dudes not allowed into Nana. Mainly because they might be the BG boyfriend or family. And the BG does not want to be recognized by family or worst by her province neighbors.Many, if not all, of the PSE oilies do not accept Thai customers, I suspect largely for the same reason. I suspect from the girl's perspective, the oilies represent an even safer environment than a go-go in this respect.
I earlier reported one time where I entered Tulip and saw a Thai man at the counter. The woman at the counter told him there were no girls available that day. I was getting ready to leave but hung around until the Thai man left, at which point the woman said that of course there were girls there but she told the Thai man there were none because the shop doesn't accept Thai customers.
Member #4591
08-06-16, 03:29
Even 7/11 wages have gone up. Minimum wage is 300 baht a day, in general 30 days = 9000 baht a month. General, starting pay range from 8500-9000 depending on experience and you must have a graduate certificate like a GED, to apply.I can't believe my post about Sephan Kwai has spawned so many spin off topics about nothing. I could care less about what girls make a 7/11 and whether a Thai guy or foreigner can feel safe in each other's stomping grounds. Post some reports or useful Intel on mongering in BKK. Enough already!
Normal people to take days off. A typical month has 5/7*30 = 21.4 working days, and at 300 baht / day that gives 6600 or so, rounded up.
Sure, some people work overtime, but we were discussing a normal salary.The average wage in BKK these days is about 18 K baht per month. So a couple earning a bit more than that, say 20 K each per month, can live comfortably.
Thai dudes not allowed in Soi Cowboy agogos? That's the first time I heard about that. I definitely remember having seen (SE) Asian guys in Suzie Wong and they were not Chinese, Japanese or Korean. They might have been Lao, Khmer, Burmese or Vietnamese but I doubt they would come to Bangkok and visit Soi Cowboy. So I always assumed they were Thai.I would not be going out on a limb to say they were not Thai. If they were, it is a good chance they might have been cops. They are worried about jealous boyfriends mainly. Several Thai friends I know have been turned away from Cowboy and Nana GoGos.
Thai dudes not allowed in Soi Cowboy agogos? That's the first time I heard about that. I definitely remember having seen (SE) Asian guys in Suzie Wong and they were not Chinese, Japanese or Korean. They might have been Lao, Khmer, Burmese or Vietnamese but I doubt they would come to Bangkok and visit Soi Cowboy. So I always assumed they were Thai.Thai men that live in another country and here as a tourist can be allowed, and also some other exceptions. The guys that work there are also Thai, e. G. The DJ, and DJ could well be BF of a bargirl.
Thai man with foreigners sometimes seen in bars.
Far too many BFs hanging around the Dr BJ clubs. I am not too keen on fucking girls with an obvious BF. I prefer girls with several BFs. LOL.
There probably aren't any good reasons to exclude all Thai customers. Girls could be seen by their relatives entering the bar or leaving with a customer. I have been seen by a Thai I know when I was walking with a working girl heading to the short time Hotel. I suppose the relatives were told she works as a waitress.
Many Thai bar girls work supposedly secretly without parents knowing what is the employ. How does that really work?
Anyway I don't want Thai people I know outside the mongering realm coming into bars for a curiosity look.
Wolvenvacht
08-06-16, 08:30
The average wage in BKK these days is about 18 K baht per month. So a couple earning a bit more than that, say 20 K each per month, can live comfortably."Average" must be the most abused statistical metric at all. One guy making 100 000 baht per month will bring 8 7-11 6 000 baht per month gals' "average" up to 18 000 baht. Yet none of the people in this example real income is even close to the average.
Factor in a few HiSo families from Bangkok and the average bears no relationship whatsoever to what the vast majority actually earns.
Member #4399
08-06-16, 10:38
"Average" must be the most abused statistical metric at all. One guy making 100 000 baht per month will bring 8 7-11 6 000 baht per month gals' "average" up to 18 000 baht. Yet none of the people in this example real income is even close to the average. Factor in a few HiSo families from Bangkok and the average bears no relationship whatsoever to what the vast majority actually earns.I have been reading a lot in this thread to prepare a future trip to Thailand. Thanks for the info so far, keep it coming. I have seen a lot of discussion about the price for a ST / LT. With the data provided in this thread I want to compare it to Dutch prices.
Thailand: 7/11 employee 9000 TB / month, average worker 18000 TB / month, ST 3000 TB. In Holland the counterpart of a 7/11 employee would earn the minimum wage, appr 1400 euro net per month. The GDP is 50.000 euro / caput, which renders 2500 net per month (subtracting holiday bonus and taxes). From the 7/11 employee situation 3000 TB would relate to 1400 * 3000/9000 = 467 euro. From the average income situation 3000 TB would relate to 2500 * 3000/18000 = 417 euro.
The figures are quite similar which renders it some credibility. The outcome is very high. I cannot imagine any Dutch taking a short time for that kind of money. The only equivalent I know off is 3 hours for 900 euro but than you get a beauty with a Masters degree (or a scam). Amsterdam RLD is 100 euro per 30-40 minutes max. So 3000 TB seems to be a lot of money for ST.
I can't believe my post about Sephan Kwai has spawned so many spin off topics about nothing. I could care less about what girls make a 7/11 and whether a Thai guy or foreigner can feel safe in each other's stomping grounds. Post some reports or useful Intel on mongering in BKK. Enough already!Hah! My thought exactly. Yours was an epic post Bkkdog, it must be said. You gave us detailed directions, clear explanations on what to expect (and not expect), and even had pictures. Kudos to you sir. But trying to control the ADHD tendencies of ISG is like trying to herd the proverbial cats. Just be satisfied in having made a genuine contribution to our knowledge base. So thanks.
Thais would go to Chaopaya 1 or 2 massage where the women are stunning and the prices very high. Or out of town joints where the prices are super low.
But trying to control the ADHD tendencies of ISG is like trying to herd the proverbial cats.LOL I find it quite ironic that those who perpetuate comments of money regarding the punting preferences of others also seem to want end comments of money regarding relative values. ADHD indeed!
I think you can somewhat monetarily compare the following: 1) a Thai go-go girl to a higher end strip club performer in the USA where making $500-$1000 per night is possible 2) a BKK streetwalker / BG lady to your average $200 per hour USA Backpage escort 3) a Thai 7/11 worker to a USA minimum wage employee making $60 per day.
SL.
LittleBigMan
08-06-16, 15:42
I can't believe my post about Sephan Kwai has spawned so many spin off topics about nothing. I could care less about what girls make a 7/11 and whether a Thai guy or foreigner can feel safe in each other's stomping grounds. Post some reports or useful Intel on mongering in BKK. Enough already!I'm not going to go way back and dig up a response from another poster in which you were having your normal debate about overpaying. I do not take a position on whether a person over or under pays I merely stated what I consider a correction on the part of 7/11 wages Pattaya, I have a son who work in one Part-time.
In your reports you constantly make it clear " you could care less " but your reports and responses say otherwise never ceased to stop you from offering your opinion in the end the negatives of those who don't agree with you in this area. What will be considered useful Intel mongering will be up to me and not you, I think the number of post and time I have spent here on the board in the past has earned me the RIGHT! If you truly believe Enough Already then stick to it and stop inciting the topic within your opinion! If the topic doesn't die it is because you can't help yourself in making reports and ending them bragging how much you just paid for your unique experience. It seems they are intentional and false doing so just to goat other readers? For starters if you want it to stop look in the mirror for starts!
"Average" must be the most abused statistical metric at all. One guy making 100 000 baht per month will bring 8 7-11 6 000 baht per month gals' "average" up to 18 000 baht. Yet none of the people in this example real income is even close to the average.
Factor in a few HiSo families from Bangkok and the average bears no relationship whatsoever to what the vast majority actually earns.The point is- BKK is expensive when you factor in what most people make. When you consider that the average salary in KL is close to 2 K USD and the average salary in BKK is closer to 500 USD. And the cost of living in BKK is not really that much if any cheaper than KL. I believe the average salary compared to the cost of living tells you quite a bit about a place.
Hah! My thought exactly. Yours was an epic post Bkkdog, it must be said. You gave us detailed directions, clear explanations on what to expect (and not expect), and even had pictures. Kudos to you sir. But trying to control the ADHD tendencies of ISG is like trying to herd the proverbial cats. Just be satisfied in having made a genuine contribution to our knowledge base. So thanks.Kumbu when are you coming back to BKK?
Gives the price for membership and drinks but does not cover price of the gals.Ok, yeap, sure enough. Probably good idea to keep that option off the website and have a lower profile. It's 3,500 b at Demonia Bangkok or BarBar for hour and a half. Likely same at Castle in Pattaya.
It's not a cheap place for P4P. But it's top quality. Girls are well trained for fucking, sucking and rimming. I'd been there before on my last trip in Dec. 15 and had a great time with Pino. This time I called ahead since I had some work to take care of in the late afternoon, and made an appt with Pino for 11 am. Fresh pussy in the morning.
Pino is taller than most Thai girls, and taller than me. She has a great smile, brownish / reddish long hair. Her body is a solid 8. 5+ (small boobs, but I'm an ass aficionado) Long tan brown legs leading up to her perfectly shaped ass / pussy. I'll skip the bath (she cleaned me and my asshole very well). Pino has a small patch of hair like most girls who cater to the Japanese crowd. Kinda sexy too. She made sure I was laying down on the mat for the nuru part and went to work.
I do enjoy soapies, the teasing and rubbing and the no condom rubbing of her slits on my cock. I thing she's getting wet. Or it's the high quality gel.
She asked me to flip over face down, time for the best rim job I've ever had. I mentioned MITU trains their girls, this is how I knew. OMG she rimmed me for a solid 15 minutes without coming up for air. Circles, taps, deeper plunges and blowing wind into my ass. I was so hard she grabbed my cock and started tugging on it while I was still face down. I was close to blowing my load from this alone. She asked me to get up and rinse off for the next part. Fucking.
I took her on the bed and went to town. Mish, CG, RCG, K9, I was pounding her hard, but she took it like a champ. I was playing with her asshole, since she played with mine, no anal though. I made it deep enough to a knuckle but that was it. I was having a hard time reaching maximum potential with the condom on, so I pulled it off and had her give me a BBBJ. She's good at that too. Soon enough I blew my load in her mouth and felt great. She's not a swallower, but she seemed happy enough to have my load in her mouth for a bit.
One thing I like is you get as many pops as you can go. We had 30 minutes left. We talked a bit while I recharged, showing each other pictures, talked about food and traveling around Asia. (to my surprise she'd done a good bit of traveling around Asia). I recharged and was ready for round 2. BBBJ then CG. I was having a hard time and asked her to rim me for the rest of the time, she was that good. She's a trooper when it comes to licking the pooper. Another 15 minutes of this while she was furiously stroking me, I blew #2 on the bed. She smiled and she was happy I was happy. We showered up again (cleanliness is important) and she walked me downstairs hand in hand. Asked me if I enjoyed her and would I come back. Um yes, yes I will.
Looks 8.5-9.
Service 9.5.
Repeatability $$.
Member #4591
08-06-16, 19:12
I'm not going to go way back and dig up a response from another poster in which you were having your normal debate about overpaying. I do not take a position on whether a person over or under pays I merely stated what I consider a correction on the part of 7/11 wages Pattaya, I have a son who work in one Part-time.
In your reports you constantly make it clear " you could care less " but your reports and responses say otherwise never ceased to stop you from offering your opinion in the end the negatives of those who don't agree with you in this area. What will be considered useful Intel mongering will be up to me and not you, I think the number of post and time I have spent here on the board in the past has earned me the RIGHT! If you truly believe Enough Already then stick to it and stop inciting the topic within your opinion! If the topic doesn't die it is because you can't help yourself in making reports and ending them bragging how much you just paid for your unique experience. It seems they are intentional and false doing so just to goat other readers? For starters if you want it to stop look in the mirror for starts!Never have I accused another member of overpaying and I encourage you to dig up that post because it does not exist. That's the last thing I would do. I hate people complaining about the price. Obviously it's a sensitive issue for you to see another member that hates the price police. Sorry if you have a budget problem. Take care and I hope your financial situation improves. Take care.
Kumbu when are you coming back to BKK?Not soon enough, my friend, not fucking soon enough!
Never have I accused another member of overpaying and I encourage you to dig up that post because it does not exist. That's the last thing I would do. I hate people complaining about the price. Obviously it's a sensitive issue for you to see another member that hates the price police. Sorry if you have a budget problem. Take care and I hope your financial situation improves. Take care.We all hate the price police, when someone don't pay thousands more than the norm like you, you call them cheap charlie, bragging all day and hitting back on people's sincere advice on the forum will only discourage people from participating in this information exchange. This forum is way too lenient on belligerent posters. I don't think you would last too long on other big forums. Just a sincere advice. I usually do not respond to ignorance, but your posts really scratch a few my nerves.
I can't believe my post about Sephan Kwai has spawned so many spin off topics about nothing. I could care less about what girls make a 7/11 and whether a Thai guy or foreigner can feel safe in each other's stomping grounds. Post some reports or useful Intel on mongering in BKK. Enough already!Bkkdog, I generally agree with your impression of things, but we reallly don't need a self-appointed post topic monitor here. How about we all post what we damn well please, let the real forum moderators sort out what fits and what does not fit and the rest of us choose which posts we care to read and comment on among the ones that make the cut?
We all hate the price police, when someone don't pay thousands more than the norm like you, you call them cheap charlie, bragging all day and hitting back on people's sincere advice on the forum will only discourage people from participating in this information exchange. This forum is way too lenient on belligerent posters. I don't think you would last too long on other big forums. Just a sincere advice. I usually do not respond to ignorance, but your posts really scratch a few my nerves.I couldn't agree more. This forum should be for the exchange of information, not for sociopathic "acting out."
LittleBigMan
08-06-16, 21:22
Never have I accused another member of overpaying and I encourage you to dig up that post because it does not exist. That's the last thing I would do. I hate people complaining about the price. Obviously it's a sensitive issue for you to see another member that hates the price police. Sorry if you have a budget problem. Take care and I hope your financial situation improves. Take care.I think you got to be kidding yourself? Yes you do not complaint about another member overpaying but the fact is you resent that others complaint / belittle you about overpaying! I've not ever or since criticized you for your experience posted although it is clear others who have read your post think so and if anyone has become sensitive to the criticism is you. You claim I'm obviously sensitive to the issue. Please show me a post I've made recently recently that I have taken issue with you or anyone regarding being a price police. I've made it very cleared that I have no issue to anyone over or under paying. I've made it very cleared that no matter how much or often people come here they pay their dues no matter how experience they are? I've overpaid many times regardless of living here when I have a unique situation that maybe comes a few times in a person life and I've underpay or pay what everyone else does too. As for the fact you don't know me yet make criticism like a " budget problem / financial situation improves " as if you do not have a ceiling. Everyone including you and me have a ceiling and there is not one person that have come and gone on this board wouldn't mind having a improve financial situation Anyone who claims or tries to make themselves out as if they have no budget or ceiling is lying. I've lived here for a long time been there and done that and what comes around goes around and each time I take the ride again because I might learn something and if over or underpaying is the price I pay it.
I respond and gave my 2 cents in general regarding what a person make at 7/11, it was not a direct attack on you and where in the world how I got drag in by you as noted providing reports etc. And being in the group of people who are price police I have no idea. Now as for you. Please provide me with a direct report where I have criticized directly, anyone and your supporting buddies Kumbu that I am part of this group? And if you do please provide direct / exact wording and not some generalization and " you thought I meant stuff ". Otherwise as I said before " Enjoy " whether you over or under pay! So in the end, nothing you say is going to change anything this board is what it is so get over it. You want to post post your comments and you get what you get in responses if you are too sensitive and need to attack in return then you have lost! Here is a tip, use ignore or just ignore it as if you didn't hear it. Time to man up!
Not soon enough, my friend, not fucking soon enough!That's a bummer, I actually enjoy reading your experience on the forum then ISG member attacking each other!
It's not a cheap place for P4P. But it's top quality. Girls are well trained for fucking, sucking and rimming. I'd been there before on my last trip in Dec. 15 and had a great time with Pino. This time I called ahead since I had some work to take care of in the late afternoon, and made an appt with Pino for 11 am. Fresh pussy in the morning.
Pino is taller than most Thai girls, and taller than me. She has a great smile, brownish / reddish long hair. Her body is a solid 8. 5+ (small boobs, but I'm an ass aficionado) Long tan brown legs leading up to her perfectly shaped ass / pussy. I'll skip the bath (she cleaned me and my asshole very well). Pino has a small patch of hair like most girls who cater to the Japanese crowd. Kinda sexy too. She made sure I was laying down on the mat for the nuru part and went to work.
I do enjoy soapies, the teasing and rubbing and the no condom rubbing of her slits on my cock. I thing she's getting wet. Or it's the high quality gel.
She asked me to flip over face down, time for the best rim job I've ever had. I mentioned MITU trains their girls, this is how I knew. OMG she rimmed me for a solid 15 minutes without coming up for air. Circles, taps, deeper plunges and blowing wind into my ass. I was so hard she grabbed my cock and started tugging on it while I was still face down. I was close to blowing my load from this alone. She asked me to get up and rinse off for the next part. Fucking.
I took her on the bed and went to town. Mish, CG, RCG, K9, I was pounding her hard, but she took it like a champ. I was playing with her asshole, since she played with mine, no anal though. I made it deep enough to a knuckle but that was it. I was having a hard time reaching maximum potential with the condom on, so I pulled it off and had her give me a BBBJ. She's good at that too. Soon enough I blew my load in her mouth and felt great. She's not a swallower, but she seemed happy enough to have my load in her mouth for a bit.
One thing I like is you get as many pops as you can go. We had 30 minutes left. We talked a bit while I recharged, showing each other pictures, talked about food and traveling around Asia. (to my surprise she'd done a good bit of traveling around Asia). I recharged and was ready for round 2. BBBJ then CG. I was having a hard time and asked her to rim me for the rest of the time, she was that good. She's a trooper when it comes to licking the pooper. Another 15 minutes of this while she was furiously stroking me, I blew #2 on the bed. She smiled and she was happy I was happy. We showered up again (cleanliness is important) and she walked me downstairs hand in hand. Asked me if I enjoyed her and would I come back. Um yes, yes I will.
Looks 8.5-9.
Service 9.5.
Repeatability $$.Sounds like a experience well worth the money. Fantastic report. I will have to check it out.
Member #4399
08-07-16, 09:01
LOL I find it quite ironic that those who perpetuate comments of money regarding the punting preferences of others also seem to want end comments of money regarding relative values. ADHD indeed!
I think you can somewhat monetarily compare the following: 1) a Thai go-go girl to a higher end strip club performer in the USA where making $500-$1000 per night is possible 2) a BKK streetwalker / BG lady to your average $200 per hour USA Backpage escort 3) a Thai 7/11 worker to a USA minimum wage employee making $60 per day.
SL.Thanks for your info about the situation in USA. Gives more room for comparison.
If you take the 60 $ per day minimum wage you get a value per month quite alike the Dutch situation.
I looked up the GDP for USA, being 55.000 $. With the dollar around 1. 10 to the euro, that figure is comparable to the Dutch situation.
So I just wonder whether the average American would be ready to give 400 to 500 $ for a ST.
FriendlyPlanet
08-07-16, 11:04
It's not a cheap place for P4P. But it's top quality. Girls are well trained for fucking, sucking and rimming. I'd been there before on my last trip in Dec. 15 and had a great time with Pino. This time I called ahead since I had some work to take care of in the late afternoon, and made an appt with Pino for 11 am. Fresh pussy in the morning.
Pino is taller than most Thai girls, and taller than me. She has a great smile, brownish / reddish long hair. Her body is a solid 8. 5+ (small boobs, but I'm an ass aficionado) Long tan brown legs leading up to her perfectly shaped ass / pussy. I'll skip the bath (she cleaned me and my asshole very well). Pino has a small patch of hair like most girls who cater to the Japanese crowd. Kinda sexy too. She made sure I was laying down on the mat for the nuru part and went to work.
I do enjoy soapies, the teasing and rubbing and the no condom rubbing of her slits on my cock. I thing she's getting wet. Or it's the high quality gel.
She asked me to flip over face down, time for the best rim job I've ever had. I mentioned MITU trains their girls, this is how I knew. OMG she rimmed me for a solid 15 minutes without coming up for air. Circles, taps, deeper plunges and blowing wind into my ass. I was so hard she grabbed my cock and started tugging on it while I was still face down. I was close to blowing my load from this alone. She asked me to get up and rinse off for the next part. Fucking.
I took her on the bed and went to town. Mish, CG, RCG, K9, I was pounding her hard, but she took it like a champ. I was playing with her asshole, since she played with mine, no anal though. I made it deep enough to a knuckle but that was it. I was having a hard time reaching maximum potential with the condom on, so I pulled it off and had her give me a BBBJ. She's good at that too. Soon enough I blew my load in her mouth and felt great. She's not a swallower, but she seemed happy enough to have my load in her mouth for a bit.
One thing I like is you get as many pops as you can go. We had 30 minutes left. We talked a bit while I recharged, showing each other pictures, talked about food and traveling around Asia. (to my surprise she'd done a good bit of traveling around Asia). I recharged and was ready for round 2. BBBJ then CG. I was having a hard time and asked her to rim me for the rest of the time, she was that good. She's a trooper when it comes to licking the pooper. Another 15 minutes of this while she was furiously stroking me, I blew #2 on the bed. She smiled and she was happy I was happy. We showered up again (cleanliness is important) and she walked me downstairs hand in hand. Asked me if I enjoyed her and would I come back. Um yes, yes I will.
Looks 8.5-9.
Service 9.5.
Repeatability $$.Nice report, AL- will have to check out Mitu- right around the corner from my hotel.
Friendly.
Bkkdog, I generally agree with your impression of things, but we reallly don't need a self-appointed post topic monitor here. How about we all post what we damn well please, let the real forum moderators sort out what fits and what does not fit and the rest of us choose which posts we care to read and comment on among the ones that make the cut?He posts what he "damn well pleases" which includes criticism of highly off topic posts. We do have a General Thread, probably the best place for stuff not at all related to Bangkok Mongering. Sometimes criticism is somewhat deserved.
I am not too keen for Bangkok Thread to be cluttered with stuff not relevant to sex. It's true we probably don't have enough threads other not related to sex. It's also a pity we are not heavily moderated to send junk to the correct junk thread.
Meanwhile being about to return to Bangkok, I checked the state of Crazy House with my favorite waitress. She assures me there is no crackdown as yet and full nudity remains as before. CH is always informed before any visit by authorities anyway. I will be checking about my favorite bargirls being around soon too. If my favourites are away, it won't be the same.
Maybe another visit to Saphan Kwai T-DET or others soon too.
Thais would go to Chaopaya 1 or 2 massage where the women are stunning and the prices very high. Or out of town joints where the prices are super low.I used to go there. ChaoPraya 2 was my favorite before Thaksin came to power. Used to have a lot of girls and even some good body girls in the "Tora" body slide category. However declined badly after clean outs of Myanmar girls and girls in another questionable category. The numbers of pretty girls dropped away.
Have not called in recently.
J-One was always a risky club for rip off papa-sans if you got the wrong one. I had to make sure my "papa-san" was working who gave me the correct prices.
Excellent post!Well said.
Member #4591
08-07-16, 15:49
He posts what he "damn well pleases" which includes criticism of highly off topic posts. We do have a General Thread, probably the best place for stuff not at all related to Bangkok Mongering. Sometimes criticism is somewhat deserved.
I am not too keen for Bangkok Thread to be cluttered with stuff not relevant to sex. It's true we probably don't have enough threads other not related to sex. It's also a pity we are not heavily moderated to send junk to the correct junk thread.
Meanwhile being about to return to Bangkok, I checked the state of Crazy House with my favorite waitress. She assures me there is no crackdown as yet and full nudity remains as before. CH is always informed before any visit by authorities anyway. I will be checking about my favorite bargirls being around soon too. If my favourites are away, it won't be the same.
Maybe another visit to Saphan Kwai T-DET or others soon too.Yes, I have always been a person who says exactly what I think. Anyways, let's get back to some reports and stop bickering over who paid what, whose getting ripped off and so on.
I popped into Suzie Wongs recently and I must say, I'm still loving the vibe in there. They still go topless when they can and I love the lesbian shows. There is a really nice Thai blonde bombshell with one of the best rear ends in the business working there who takes care of me every time. I love it because there is no coyote bullshit and the girls are really down to earth. 2,500 LT plus the 600 Baht bar fine. I always tip her 1,500-2,000 because her performance is stellar so she always ends up with 4-5 K from me for LT. It's nice to have some regulars around the city so you don't need to experiment and take chances with other girls. Sometimes I just like to chill. Another member recently commented or insinuated that my experiences were fake or over embellished because I don't have too many bad experiences in my reports.
My answer to this and to others who continuously have these bad experiences is this. Treating the girls right and speaking some Thai, really goes a long way. If you treat the girls like a piece of meat, they will treat you like just a bull shit customer and won't care whether you are happy or not. Yes these ladies are working girls but they have feelings too. Treat them right and it will come back to you ten fold. There was a poster, whose name was Paul. Haven't heard from him in a while but he would post with the same style as Kumu. He was the member who posted about the orgies with the Cherry girls. Most of the seniors will remember his posts. Anyways, he always received a lot of mileage from the girls because of this very reason of treating them well and with respect. Has anyone here ever gotten a freebie from a working girl? If you haven't, think twice about how you treat them and talk to them. Many of us seniors have received freebies in return for the respect we show the ladies. Think about it and happy mongering!
P.S. Thanks Kumu for your PM.
Blanquiceleste
08-07-16, 16:07
Bkkdog is telling it like it is.
WE (Go Go/Soapy/G-Club guys) ARE NOT BEING SCAMMED. We know what we are doing. We are having a great time with hot little BKK girls all over town.
I was in BKK last week for a non-mongering trip but I still managed to get laid once and get a gold standard BJ. Did I "overpay"? YES, HELL YEAH I DID. I was staying at Sathon-Pipat, a short walk from Patpong, and I had a very limited window to partake in our hobby.
So on one night I went to Star of Light (after ages) to get an old fashioned BJ. The selection was scarce with just 7 girls hanging outside the bar. Most were fuglies, and I almost turned away. And then a cute slim decent looking chick stepped out from the bar. Could be a 7 on look at best. I pointed at her and took her right back inside. Now those who know this place will agree that this is the cheapest dive in town for a BJ. All included 700 b. Drinks and tips are completely optional. Pum proceeded to give me a great BJ as I sat there with a drink and a cigarette. She was well trained as I could tell, great skills up and down the shaft, lots of sloppy ball sucking and some fantastic short rapid licks on the head. Good deep throat skills as well. I enjoyed banging her cheeks for a while and she wanted more of it. Lasted for a good 25 minutes before I finally blew my load in her mouth. She took it all in, but pulled out a couple of tissues and spit it out. I pulled up my shorts and handed her a 1000 b note and walked out. She came after me with the 200 b change. I smiled and told her to keep it. She was thrilled and asked me if I would come back again. I said maybe I would, but I never did. Tragic!
On another night I went to Electric Blue, an old favorite of mine from yester-years. The place has really gone downhill from what I remember but it still had around 20 girls dancing on stage when I entered around 10:30 pm. Few customers on a weekday so the girls were glad to see me, I guess. 170 b for a beer is steep, but THAT IS THE CURRENT PRICE. PAY IT AND ENJOY OR GO HOME AND WAIL OVER IT. So I settled in with the drink and almost instantly I was surrounded by 5 girls and 2 mamasans. All of them wanted drinks. I fought off the ones I had no intention of talking to and retained 2 girls. #77 and #99. I could also see #56 on stage who was smiling and showed a lot of promise. Not bad. All three girls would be 7. 5 on looks, 8 on body. I chatted up with the two girls I had retained and both very friendly and very willing. With no promises of an LD they were both kissing me and rubbing my cock. And the one dancing on stage was making lewd gestures to me. Hell, what a situation! Out of the two girls I decide to retain #77 as somehow the chemistry worked better. So I politely asked #99 to leave us. No pressure, she left without any drama. A mamasan tried to strong-arm me into buying #99 a drink, but I did not relent. Instead I tucked a 50 b note into her bra. She walked away happy. By now the dance routine was over, so #56 came down to say Hello,. But it was too late for her. I was already into #77. So I simply said "next time maybe" to her and turned my attention to #77. Soon the mechanics were worked out. 1000 b BF + 2500 b ST. I finished my drink, paid the bill and walked out with the girl onto Surawong and headed to Talai Suites, a tiny little ST hotel just after the Japanese Sushi joint Shakariki 432.500 b for the room for 2 hours. I had a wonderful time with the young Non. I will leave out the details, but I will say that we stayed in that room for 2. 5 hours and I had two pops with lots of BBBJ thrown in. I wish I had more time and I could LT this girl. When we were done I gave her a tip of 200 b and walked her back to her bar and then made my way back to my place.
My answer to this and to others who continuously have these bad experiences is this. Treating the girls right and speaking some Thai, really goes a long way. If you treat the girls like a piece of meat, they will treat you like just a bull shit customer and won't care whether you are happy or not. Yes these ladies are working girls but they have feelings too. Treat them right and it will come back to you ten fold. There was a poster, whose name was Paul. Haven't heard from him in a while but he would post with the same style as Kumu. He was the member who posted about the orgies with the Cherry girls. Most of the seniors will remember his posts. Anyways, he always received a lot of mileage from the girls because of this very reason of treating them well and with respect. Has anyone here ever gotten a freebie from a working girl? If you haven't, think twice about how you treat them and talk to them. Many of us seniors have received freebies in return for the respect we show the ladies. Think about it and happy mongering!Speaking Thai and treating the girls well, joking and having fun does go a long way. Personally I never tip above the agreed rate no matter how good the service is, but I seem to have no problem with repeats should the gal float my boat. And I've been at it for 16 plus years.
Randy Murican
08-08-16, 02:37
My answer to this and to others who continuously have these bad experiences is this. Treating the girls right and speaking some Thai, really goes a long way. If you treat the girls like a piece of meat, they will treat you like just a bull shit customer and won't care whether you are happy or not. Yes these ladies are working girls but they have feelings too. Treat them right and it will come back to you ten fold. There was a poster, whose name was Paul. Haven't heard from him in a while but he would post with the same style as Kumu. He was the member who posted about the orgies with the Cherry girls. Most of the seniors will remember his posts. Anyways, he always received a lot of mileage from the girls because of this very reason of treating them well and with respect.Paul is a good guy with good game. The reason he no longer posts is:
Once upon a time the point of this forum was to share mongering experiences around the world, to pass on useful information and answer other mongers questions. That no longer seems to be the case. Now most posts seem to be arguing about tipping, how too many people overpay and ruin the market, that the quality of the girls has declined, that Bangkok sucks, or how great the girls are at the shop that hired you to promote it; oh and to claim a girl who got a good recommendation in a report is not worth seeing so you can discourage others from booking her because you found she was indeed very good..Would be nice if people could refrain from price-shaming, but then again "thus it has always been".
Speaking Thai and treating the girls well, joking and having fun does go a long way. Can I have an Amen for that! I still see a few stellar girls that have transitioned out of the business because of this approach.
Randy "Murican.
He posts what he "damn well pleases" which includes criticism of highly off topic posts. We do have a General Thread, probably the best place for stuff not at all related to Bangkok Mongering. Sometimes criticism is somewhat deserved. If your (and Bkkdog's?) answer to my "How about. ?" question is indeed no, self-appointed post topic monitors telling us what to post and what not to post are a good thing and the more the better, fair enough. I didn't tell either one of you not to make such posts. I just asked Bkkdog "How about. ?
Meanwhile, it pleases me to post an encouragement to anyone who would like to post the 1001st comment about Bangkok prices, the ways and methods of years past, whatever the real moderators allow and don't be cowed into not posting or, worse, making up stuff just to avoid criticism from anyone here.
Sometimes there is a nugget of actual useful information in posts like that where one monger's impression of one girl on one particular occasion is interesting but would have very little to do with what the next guy would experience.
I popped into Suzie Wongs recently and I must say, I'm still loving the vibe in there. They still go topless when they can and I love the lesbian shows. There is a really nice Thai blonde bombshell with one of the best rear ends in the business working there who takes care of me every time. I love it because there is no coyote bullshit and the girls are really down to earth. 2,500 LT plus the 600 Baht bar fine. I always tip her 1,500-2,000 because her performance is stellar so she always ends up with 4-5 K from me for LT. It's nice to have some regulars around the city so you don't need to experiment and take chances with other girls.
P.S. Thanks Kumu for your PM.Your description does look like it's be. , one of the girls that perform the lesbian show. 1 year and half ago, I had a hard time with the oilies (each shop had line ups of 15-20 girls but none of them were that good looking).
So I tried my luck with the gogos and once I saw her, I noticed that her body was really beautiful, a contrast with all the girls that I had met in my 10 days at that time. So I bfined her for st, and then ended bfining her again 2 or 3 times in the same week. She was a gem (really nice girl with great body) but she would not allow me to play with her asshole (just play, not even fuck). What a pity, you have such a great ass in your hands and end up a little frustrated by not being allowed to play with the hole. She was the only girl that I bfined in that place. I did not go back there anymore as I felt like I was pressed like an orange by paying the drinks every time I went there (hers was not a problem but then there was also the waitresses, that were nice by the way) but in the end the bill was getting close to 4400 baht for a st, that I thought was not worth it anymore especially when I think about her asshole. I thought the LT was more expensive there as I was asked 2000 for st. And how many shots do you get with her during the LT and what do you consider a "stellar performance" as she was rather passive with me (but definitely not a clock watcher)?
Member #4591
08-08-16, 13:35
Paul is a good guy with good game. The reason he no longer posts is:
Would be nice if people could refrain from price-shaming, but then again "thus it has always been".
Can I have an Amen for that! I still see a few stellar girls that have transitioned out of the business because of this approach.
Randy "Murican.That's disappointing since all of us gained a wealth of information from him. I'm sure the others who take part in price slamming and debating about stupid stuff, don't know the value of posters that we've lost nor care about it. All these so called members care about is getting the biggest bang for their buck and hammering anyone who they think pays too much. Sorry to hear Paul has moved on. I hope he will come back some day and share more about his experiences in Thailand. His posts were excellent.
I'm sure the others who take part in price slamming and debating about stupid stuff, don't know the value of posters that we've lost nor care about it. All these so called members care about is getting the biggest bang for their buck and hammering anyone who they think pays too much.Dude you still don't get it. When you regularly describe ISG members as "Cheap Charlie's" you are taking part in "price slamming" punters you believe are paying too little. Plus by doing this you are perpetuating the very conversations you claim you want to stop.
SL.
Wolvenvacht
08-08-16, 19:18
I popped into Suzie Wongs recently and I must say, I'm still loving the vibe in there. They still go topless when they can and I love the lesbian shows. Only topless?
Suzie Wong was THE place to go for full nudity.
Has it changed?
That's disappointing since all of us gained a wealth of information from him. I'm sure the others who take part in price slamming and debating about stupid stuff, don't know the value of posters that we've lost nor care about it. All these so called members care about is getting the biggest bang for their buck and hammering anyone who they think pays too much. Sorry to hear Paul has moved on. I hope he will come back some day and share more about his experiences in Thailand. His posts were excellent.Paul is actually living in Bangkok now. We still have our parties with some of the old guard and a few new ones. But a) the bickering on this panel has taken overhand and outweighs the usefulness of factual reporting, b) you can only repeat so much without regurgitating old news and c) I personally got burned when something I posted about a girl was seen by some idiot as a license to mistreat her and she blamed my post for it.
I personally got burned when something I posted about a girl was seen by some idiot as a license to mistreat her and she blamed my post for it.Yikes. That does make me pause and think about writing glowing reports about gals. It is a shame that there are dudes out there who do that. But not a surprise. Personally I think the bickering is a sign of overall discontent with the current state of the P4P scene.
Member #4591
08-09-16, 06:00
Only topless?
Suzie Wong was THE place to go for full nudity.
Has it changed?The girls go topless for the normal dancing and fully nude for the lesbian shows now.
Wolvenvacht
08-09-16, 07:24
The girls go topless for the normal dancing and fully nude for the lesbian shows now.That's a pity. I like to see them fully nude before I decide who to barfine.
Maybe it will change again in a few weeks. I'm not due to return until November.
Personally I think the bickering is a sign of overall discontent with the current state of the P4P scene.Why do you think that is? I mean, what do you think is causing this discontent?
I'm not sure that is all it is. I personally feel absolutely no discontent with the current state of P4 P in LOS, which is why I keep coming back (been coming to LOS since 1991, by the way).
I am sure there is discontent on the part of some (and again, I'd like to hear why you think that exists), but a lot of it reflects the kinds of mongers that come to LOS. It attracts a wide variety of people, and that brings with it a wide range of expectations, as well as a wide range of cultural modes of thought. And in that context, you are bound to get conflict. Plus, this is the anonymous internet, and everyone feels that being an asshole is without consequences.
Mumbai Guy
08-09-16, 18:36
Personally I think the bickering is a sign of overall discontent with the current state of the P4P scene.I really don't understand this bickering and discontent about the P4 P scene or the rising cost of mongering. If my income is not the same what it was 15-20 years ago then how can I expect the ST / LT prices in LOS to remain stagnant? Another factor that has changed over a period of time is that many Asian economies are growing at a much faster pace compared to western economies so there are more and more Asian punters coming to LOS and they have deep pockets. So prices are bound to go North. If you just compare the mongering prices in your home countries 15 years ago and now, you will agree that the prices in LOS have not risen in the same proportion. As the supply greatly outnumbers demand, LOS is still a buyer's market. For me LOS is still the No. 1 destination for P4 P on counts of quality, quantity, variety and price.
I really don't understand this bickering and discontent about the P4 P scene or the rising cost of mongering. If my income is not the same what it was 15-20 years ago then how can I expect the ST / LT prices in LOS to remain stagnant? Another factor that has changed over a period of time is that many Asian economies are growing at a much faster pace compared to western economies so there are more and more Asian punters coming to LOS and they have deep pockets. So prices are bound to go North. If you just compare the mongering prices in your home countries 15 years ago and now, you will agree that the prices in LOS have not risen in the same proportion. As the supply greatly outnumbers demand, LOS is still a buyer's market. For me LOS is still the No. 1 destination for P4 P on counts of quality, quantity, variety and price.Dude, when you compare 25 USD with well over 100 USD now it is a huge increase. And the service is not as good. Prices in LOS have risen way more then they have in the West and in other SE Asian countries. If service had risen with the cost there would be no bickering. LOS is a seller's market compared with years past not a buyers market. Honestly, if you were at the exit of Nana or Cowboy at closing time 10 plus years ago you would have scads of girls begging you to take them. Now most just can't be bothered. It is the punter who has to pursue the gal, and back in the day it was the gals chasing you. There are far fewer gals on the game in general and way fewer lookers then there was 15 years ago all due to the improving economy.
Why do you think that is? I mean, what do you think is causing this discontent?
I'm not sure that is all it is. I personally feel absolutely no discontent with the current state of P4 P in LOS, which is why I keep coming back (been coming to LOS since 1991, by the way).
I am sure there is discontent on the part of some (and again, I'd like to hear why you think that exists), but a lot of it reflects the kinds of mongers that come to LOS. It attracts a wide variety of people, and that brings with it a wide range of expectations, as well as a wide range of cultural modes of thought. And in that context, you are bound to get conflict. Plus, this is the anonymous internet, and everyone feels that being an asshole is without consequences.Fewer gals, higher costs, poorer service, and bad attitudes. Sorry, but it pales in comparison with 15 years ago. I partake less and less. Why? I find fewer and fewer gals that I am attracted to; looks and attitude wise. The oilies with a few exceptions are full of older gals with mommy bodies and the GoGos are filled with gals who think they are worth close to 100 USD for 15 min of action, most of whom don't have the skill set to warrant that type of money. They are still providing the same service that was had for 25 USD a mere 10 years ago. That was the allure. Not that the gals were all that great in bed, but they were plentiful and cheap. Yes, there is price inflation, but 300% plus for the same level of service? Give me a break. And again, I would have no problem paying 100 plus for a gal with a well refined skill set who is sexy, seductive, and knows how to get to a man both physically and psychologically. If it is just an available hole or two, then it will always be worth about 25 USD to me. Want the big bucks? Raise your game. I know very few long term residents who are still enamored with the P4 P scene here for all the reasons above. We talk about it quite often. And most of us are not that old. 30's, 40's and early 50's.
I don't see any differences of signifigance except for:
1. Prices are significantly higher.
2. Young girls get fat at an early age.
3. Prevalence of fake noses and fake tits.
4. The clean out of girls of certain categories.
5. Girls seem less desperate for money causing price to be higher.
6. Ladyboys to Cowboy.
7. The Coyote take over.
8. Soapies have far less girls and far less business.
9. A lot more gogo girls do not smoke. One good thing.
10. Probably more condoms used. I don't really know this one.
11. The web age. Girls can contact guys easily.
12 Most bars are struggling. Not enough customers. Most MPs the same. The decline in customers is the biggest problem of all. Thousands of ugly hookers with no business.
13. You can get a decent coffee in Thailand and resonable foreign food. 25 years ago you could not.
If I could go back and repeat from 25 years ago, I certainly would. Would have been good to get stuck in Thailand 33 years ago during my very first visit.
So that is really a lot of change. However I manage. Its just spending too much money that is only thing that matters.
We have to know where to find girls of our type. Some guys are in the wrong country but not me, I guess. I am only here 30%.
Blanquiceleste
08-10-16, 01:04
I personally feel absolutely no discontent with the current state of P4 P in LOS, which is why I keep coming back (been coming to LOS since 1991, by the way).I think the biggest difference here is the perspective of punters. The bunch who live in LOS will always hold the opinion that the P4 P scene has declined badly because they have been seeing it everyday for several years. The other bunch who simply visits for a few weeks in a year will not notice the decline because they are often coming from sex prisons or markets that are far more expensive to partake.
For every report of a decline there will be a counter report of a night well spent with a ultra hot 22 yo Isaan cutie for a "reasonable" price with great service. And vice-versa. This is one debate that will never end.
I don't see any differences of signifigance except for:
1. Prices are significantly higher.
2. Young girls get fat at an early age.
3. Prevalence of fake noses and fake tits.
4. The clean out of girls of certain categories.
5. Girls seem less desperate for money causing price to be higher.
6. Ladyboys to Cowboy.
7. The Coyote take over.
8. Soapies have far less girls and far less business.
9. A lot more gogo girls do not smoke. One good thing.
10. Probably more condoms used. I don't really know this one.
11. The web age. Girls can contact guys easily.
12 Most bars are struggling. Not enough customers. Most MPs the same. The decline in customers is the biggest problem of all. Thousands of ugly hookers with no business.
13. You can get a decent coffee in Thailand and resonable foreign food. 25 years ago you could not.
If I could go back and repeat from 25 years ago, I certainly would. Would have been good to get stuck in Thailand 33 years ago during my very first visit.
So that is really a lot of change. However I manage. Its just spending too much money that is only thing that matters.
We have to know where to find girls of our type. Some guys are in the wrong country but not me, I guess. I am only here 30%.Funny first comment Syg. I think all the differences you listed are significant. And I agree on 13. It is one of the few positives. It's a fantastic food town and Bangkok has become a world class coffee city. Some excellent roasters and baristas here.
Paul is actually living in Bangkok now. We still have our parties with some of the old guard and a few new ones. But a) the bickering on this panel has taken overhand and outweighs the usefulness of factual reporting, b) you can only repeat so much without regurgitating old news and c) I personally got burned when something I posted about a girl was seen by some idiot as a license to mistreat her and she blamed my post for it.Say Hi to him for me, please! (I currently don't have paid access.) Miss his reports but it's understandable given the reasons above. Will be back in BKK sometime in September for a couple of days. Woohoo!
LittleBigMan
08-10-16, 03:44
I have a different perspective?
I still remember when I first came in ISG, there was only 1 page of thread at best. Majority of the posters didn't have a handle just posted as Anonymous. What went on then is pretty much what goes on now. Back then the posters it seem majority were Expats or visited often for reason like business. I pretty much learned all the in and out of mongering in Thailand more important I would benefit me was learning the negatives about their culture and people. It didn't mean I didn't make mistake like paying too much I'm still learning and overpaying at times. What I noticed over time a minority of members who seem to know or had the ear of the creator / moderator complaint whenever they couldn't intelligently convince others to March to their music they got their own thread, which was a form of banishment or outright told they were banned. One only has to look to see what I'm talking about.
The final explosion happen a few years ago when a top poster was banished and there was a huge debate many of the best informative members got tired and even took sides and left. Many felt new members would pick their brains and later got disrespectful after they gain experience. The old days many would meet at Livingston Lodge in Bangkok on Soi 33, those were the old days.
As noted, ISG and many website posters come from all walks of life people are all different. One would think and realize the more people in a group you will have more different opinions, thus disagreement. I hear people say I understand, let's move on, but the next word out of their mouth it back to the same old stuff, it is like in one ear out the other, I just guess people are just build that way and they got to get in that jab thinking no one is going to notice.
Make no mistake I understand we are all human and I'm not exempt. People have their own experience take the time to write and share it with us because that is what the Internet has created. Some are so well written and as long as a romance novel. Majority are experiences from poster who come often and not so often doing what they can't at home for various reasons. No one wants in the end to have their experience nip picked and shot down for paying too much or their story being too long. There are guys who like to take it slow then their are guys who just want to run, everyone has their style. It also works the other way around. Not taking a personal shot. People post say "let's get back to busy " write and explains themselves and end by calling others who don't agree with their position " Ass-so ", or write a wonderful experience ending in making sure the " Cheap Charlies " got it. There is always I understand let's get back to the topic only to end with that jab to the gut! Always got to get the last word in because our ego's get the best of us each time.
A good example. Look at my writing I envy guys like Kumbu, I only dream of being able to write like him but my poor grammar isn't going to stop me from expressing my opinion. I get it all the time readers understand as bad as my grammar understand everything that is being said, but because they can't get me to March to their tune have no argument and feel their ego bruised they reach for what is left to nip pick my grammar or spelling. Sure I'm human I would be lying if I said it doesn't bother me at times. This is what the Internet has created cowards, jerks hiding behind the computer. Is anything I've said going to change NO not for a minute.
We are more alike than we care to admit, we all are at fault as to why things are the way it is it will never change. What has changed is ISG no longer micro-manage this board for the few just let it go and like the majority after a few days things will return to normal but before that happens someone will sneak in that jab and then it starts all over again. That is ISG, you can be the solution by just ignoring the jabbers (easier said than done) or be the problem and keep jabbing.
First I will say that I am a farang living in BKK, but no where near Sukhumvit so when I do a monger night I typically get a cheap room on Soi 4. My question is, where are the short time rooms? I know Nana has them, but are there others in the area? If so where? How much for short time?
Member #4591
08-10-16, 16:15
Say Hi to him for me, please! (I currently don't have paid access.) Miss his reports but it's understandable given the reasons above. Will be back in BKK sometime in September for a couple of days. Woohoo!You are a senior member therefore you can PM him if you wish.
Banana Boi
08-10-16, 17:41
Live update from Thermae. About 150-200 girls at 10 pm. Good ones mainly gone now. About 60-80 guys. About 80% Asian, 20% caucasian and 1 Indian. Caucasians didn't seem to have issues picking up girls. In fact, 1 caucasian is talking to the girl I want. The Japanese snap up the good ones within a minute so act fast if you see someone. Imo still a great lineup but I prefer cute girls over model looks. Also prefer western and Japanese surgery looks over Thai. More or less the same lineup as last month except more oldies tonight. Yuck.
Mumbai Guy
08-10-16, 17:45
Dude, when you compare 25 USD with well over 100 USD now it is a huge increase. And the service is not as good. Prices in LOS have risen way more then they have in the West and in other SE Asian countries. If service had risen with the cost there would be no bickering. LOS is a seller's market compared with years past not a buyers market. Honestly, if you were at the exit of Nana or Cowboy at closing time 10 plus years ago you would have scads of girls begging you to take them. Now most just can't be bothered. It is the punter who has to pursue the gal, and back in the day it was the gals chasing you. There are far fewer gals on the game in general and way fewer lookers then there was 15 years ago all due to the improving economy.These are side effects of the improving economy and it is seen in all developing countries. Thailand is no exception. Anyway things will never be the same as they were 15 years ago and time machine is not likely to be invented in our lifetime. So there is no point in bickering. Ok, earlier girls use to chase punters, now punters have to chase girls. Times have changed and we should accept that and move on.
Manfield04
08-10-16, 17:58
I fully agree with you. I have been to BKK around a dozen times since the 2000's and stayed there for around 2 weeks on average during each visit, however I haven't noticed any significant difference in the P4P scene except for the effect of inflation and rate of exchange of the $ compared to THB.
I think the biggest difference here is the perspective of punters. The bunch who live in LOS will always hold the opinion that the P4P scene has declined badly because they have been seeing it everyday for several years. The other bunch who simply visits for a few weeks in a year will not notice the decline because they are often coming from sex prisons or markets that are far more expensive to partake.
...I personally feel absolutely no discontent with the current state of P4 P in LOS, which is why I keep coming back (been coming to LOS since 1991, by the way).Like you, I have no problem with the current state of P4 P in SEA. I have been coming to Thailand since 2004, every year and sometimes twice a year. I know also that most of my buddy mongers feel the same way.
Of course prices have gone up, that is to be expected, plus SEA economies have been improving. That's life and we cannot change that.
You are a senior member therefore you can PM him if you wish.I don't think he likes to find his screen name.
Another day at the Nana Plaza area. I was planning on hitting up the night clubs tonight but was busy with work.
Got horny at 11 pm, so I went walking around Soi 4. Saw a girl I liked and made eye contact. She grabbed my arms and we chat a bit. Agreed on price, then she mentioned renting hotels nearby. I told her we go to my hotel, which is nearby. It's safer for me. The hotel security guard held her ID while she was in my room. They don't give it back until they talk to me afterwards to make sure I am OK. I like that.
Tall girl about 5'7" with a curvy body and the best boobs I have seen. I told her to take everything slow because she has a pretty face and a very hot body. I like to enjoy the view as well as the action. Took over an hour with multiple positions and we're both exhausted at the end. We cuddled and chat a bit more. She went to shower and lingered longer than she should and kept coming back to hug and kiss me. Even standing outside the door, she's giving me that, "ask for my number" look. I know my priorities, so no.
I really like the connection we made even though it was short-lived. Everyday here is like a short-lived dream.
Interesting:
Thailand Plans to Track Foreign Tourists Through Their Cell Phones.
http://time.com/4446059/thailand-tourists-cell-phone-tracking/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Defense%20EBB%2008-10-16&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief
Robert Long
08-11-16, 01:46
Interesting:
Thailand Plans to Track Foreign Tourists Through Their Cell Phones.
http://time.com/4446059/thailand-tourists-cell-phone-tracking/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Defense%20EBB%2008-10-16&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20BriefThe primary reason is terrorism. The USA does that already and I'm sure Europe also because they tracked down all of the participants in the most recent attaches. They want the ability to be able to know everyone that communicates with a certain phone if something happens.
Why would you have a problem with that? Who cares because they only tract the info in the event of a crime.
RL.
The primary reason is terrorism. The USA does that already and I'm sure Europe also because they tracked down all of the participants in the most recent attaches. They want the ability to be able to know everyone that communicates with a certain phone if something happens.
Why would you have a problem with that? Who cares because they only tract the info in the event of a crime.
RL.What does bother me from the article is the following: "In April, the Immigration Bureau introduced elaborate immigration forms that required visitors and foreign workers to stipulate sensitive information, including banking details and social-media sites used. " I don't know whether anyone here has encountered these forms yet, but it sounds like those who participate in this and similar forums might be obligated to disclose their participation in such sites on the immigration form. Although I would guess very few people would disclose this information, I hope things don't get to the point where the Thai immigration / customs people start doing forensic searches of laptops, etc. , as US customs often did (at least in the past; not sure about now) on single men returning from Asia. If Thai customs did this, the could then use the information gained from a laptop or phone search to nail those who do not disclose the full range of forums they participate in.
Then again, perhaps the disclosure requested only pertains to such things as Facebook, which while an invasion of privacy would be a bit less problematic I suppose. Or perhaps the Time article was not so accurate on the information that must be disclosed on entry to Thailand (or maybe it only applies to those who obtain entry visas before arriving in Thailand given the low likelihood people would have banking information, for example, available when arriving at the airport in Thailand).
The primary reason is terrorism. The USA does that already and I'm sure Europe also because they tracked down all of the participants in the most recent attaches. They want the ability to be able to know everyone that communicates with a certain phone if something happens.
Why would you have a problem with that? Who cares because they only tract the info in the event of a crime.
RL.I agree. This is all what it is about.
On the other hand should you be a potential terrorist, would you disclose all the (real) information on an immigration form?
Wouldn't you use a purpose acquired "clean" sim card and then dump it somewhere?
How many Sim cards (or phones with one in it) are stolen everyday? Do we know for sure where they end up?
All in all these measures are a bit of fireworks to please the masses they are doing something.
The real action and intelligence is done in different ways.
Then again, perhaps the disclosure requested only pertains to such things as Facebook, which while an invasion of privacy would be a bit less problematic I suppose. Or perhaps the Time article was not so accurate on the information that must be disclosed on entry to Thailand (or maybe it only applies to those who obtain entry visas before arriving in Thailand given the low likelihood people would have banking information, for example, available when arriving at the airport in Thailand).The social media account disclosure is another bullshit.
Do I have to have one account on FB? And I declare I don't have, am I suPpsed to look strange?
And of I have multi-accounts how do they know this? Would they be happy with one and I hide the others?
I never touched and don't even know how tweeter works: am I an alien?
With thousands of visitors entering the country everyday. Accounting 5 minutes to records the data on a database (if ever) how many thousands of employees would they need to manage the DB?
Look at the packs of filled forms stacked at any immigration booth during a shift. Each booth requires two people to manage the info into somewhere.
Something happens. What do they do? Deploy an army of white collars to go through those stacks of forms to find one that triggers suspects?
Lots of visitors are multi time visitor during one year. Each time they hit the keyboard and often (but not always) take a picture of you. Looks like you have never been there.
Same happens at USA Airport immigration.
Everytime, picture, fingerprints, even if you entered one week before with same passport. Billions of data stored?
Lots of countries do accurate immigration checks but don't care if you go out. Down to the airline to collect the entry slip (and eventually return it to the federal agency). TSA performs an exit check on your passport. True.
I still believe there are holes.
Not to mention that the majority of recent terrorist attacks where from. Inhouse and residents. If not even citizens of the country being the target.
First I will say that I am a farang living in BKK, but no where near Sukhumvit so when I do a monger night I typically get a cheap room on Soi 4. My question is, where are the short time rooms? I know Nana has them, but are there others in the area? If so where? How much for short time?Walk down Soi 4 away from Sukhumvit, past Hillary 2 Bar on the left, to the little sub soi with Jools (for now) on one side and The Tavern on the other. There is a small "street sign" that says Scott Avenue or something like that. It's not really the name of that sub soi, the sign was placed there by Scott, the owner of The Tavern. lol. Anyway, turn left. You'll find several short time room hotels there, including DiPlace, that rent decent rooms for an hour or two for about 350 baht. DiPlace is probably the best of them. In fact, there is a DiPlace sign on Soi 4 at the corner of that little sub soi where you turn left.
Most nights, you can rent a decent room in any of those little hotels all night for 750-850 baht.
Banana Boi
08-11-16, 07:02
What type of ID, if any, do I need to show at these ST hotels?
Wolvenvacht
08-11-16, 07:27
Interesting:
Thailand Plans to Track Foreign Tourists Through Their Cell Phones.
http://time.com/4446059/thailand-tourists-cell-phone-tracking/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Defense%20EBB%2008-10-16&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20BriefI said it in another section already. All cellphones can be tracked at all times.
That's how the mobile phone system works: if your provider doesn't know where you are, how can they connect a call for you to your phone?
Silly article, not based upon real knowledge. The Government is just making a big fuzz out of nothing to keep people's eyes away from the real problems.
In any case, tracking is not the issue, it is making good use of all that data. Suppose the Government requires all providers to upload all the location cata of all foreign or foreigner-registered sim cards to some government site. That will require huge computing capacity to check and what will they find? There are no "forbidden" areas in Thailand, so your location data by itself does not indicate your are comitting a crime. Go through such huge expense and effort to find a few overstayers? I'll just bring another foreign pre-paid sim card not registered on my name and use that.
The whole scheme is failing even before it is implemented.
Wolvenvacht
08-11-16, 07:35
Why would you have a problem with that? Who cares because they only tract the info in the event of a crime.That is of course the worst reason to support such a system at all.
Since the government defines what a "crime" is, you are not protected. Maybe your political ideas do not match with those who are in power? Let's call that a crime and track those criminals down!
Privacy, freedom of speech and communication and other such basic rights are continuously under threat from governments and authorities.
These are side effects of the improving economy and it is seen in all developing countries. Thailand is no exception. Anyway things will never be the same as they were 15 years ago and time machine is not likely to be invented in our lifetime. So there is no point in bickering. Ok, earlier girls use to chase punters, now punters have to chase girls. Times have changed and we should accept that and move on.In many developed nations p4 p is now about the same cost as in LOS. And again, the issue is the service more than the price. And no, I kind of refuse to chase working girls. I would also say that the change in the gals is just as much due to the change in the punters. Guys are far easier to please and seem to settle for less than they did 15 years ago.
That is of course the worst reason to support such a system at all.
Since the government defines what a "crime" is, you are not protected. Maybe your political ideas do not match with those who are in power? Let's call that a crime and track those criminals down!
Privacy, freedom of speech and communication and other such basic rights are continuously under threat from governments and authorities.Openly or secretely they can and are doing that.
Regardless if it is right or not.
In case of doubt they set a new law.
Worst case scenario they cover anything under the umberella of "national security".
You dint like that? Prosecute them at Human Rights Court in Den Hague and good luck.
Have you ever seen anyone being brought to the court for "illegal" tracking or intelligence?
I am not defending them, I am just feet on the ground.
I said it in another section already. All cellphones can be tracked at all times.
That's how the mobile phone system works: if your provider doesn't know where you are, how can they connect a call for you to your phone?
Silly article, not based upon real knowledge. The Government is just making a big fuzz out of nothing to keep people's eyes away from the real problems.
The whole scheme is failing even before it is implemented.+1.
Article to fill the papers in the boring summer weeks.
Wolvenvacht
08-11-16, 18:40
Openly or secretely they can and are doing that.
Regardless if it is right or not.
In case of doubt they set a new law.
Worst case scenario they cover anything under the umberella of "national security".
You dint like that? Prosecute them at Human Rights Court in Den Hague and good luck.
Have you ever seen anyone being brought to the court for "illegal" tracking or intelligence?
I am not defending them, I am just feet on the ground.That is exactly whe we have defend our basic rights vigorously by voting into power decent politicians who support the idea of personal freedom. Sadly it seems that those ideas are going out of fashion and saying "I don't mind that criminals are tracked and their rights abused since I'm not a criminal" is symptomatic in that respect.
I know, I'm an old dinosaur and not attuned to these modern times.
Mumbai Guy
08-11-16, 18:57
In many developed nations p4 p is now about the same cost as in LOS. And again, the issue is the service more than the price. And no, I kind of refuse to chase working girls. I would also say that the change in the gals is just as much due to the change in the punters. Guys are far easier to please and seem to settle for less than they did 15 years ago.Agree with you sir. I agree that the service is not the same, the cost has gone up. Even I don't like to chase the girls. But that is the ground reality today. The competition today is with punters who are happy to spend more for less. But things are what they are and you and me can't change them. So let us accept that and move on. There are still plenty of positive reports here by happy punters and majority of them are seniors with years of experience in LOS.
Member #4591
08-11-16, 19:47
That is exactly whe we have defend our basic rights vigorously by voting into power decent politicians who support the idea of personal freedom. Sadly it seems that those ideas are going out of fashion and saying "I don't mind that criminals are tracked and their rights abused since I'm not a criminal" is symptomatic in that respect.
I know, I'm an old dinosaur and not attuned to these modern times.Please go to Thai visa if you want to debate this crap. Anyways, instead of going to Sephan Kwai tonight, I'm on a date with my little Ninja.
Gypsie King
08-11-16, 23:42
With the bombs that exploded last night in Hua Hin, the cell phone network industry in Thailand again will have to track the users in the area of the bombing if the news about the bombs being detonated with a cell phone are true.
DannyPants0000
08-12-16, 01:05
I've been RTFF for the past 20 pages or so, preparing for my trip next month. I stayed near Terminal 21 last time, so I'm thinking of trying something new. I'm not too interested in taking girls out of gogo bars; mostly massages and BJ bars. Can anyone tell me how Patpong is like these days?
Considering booking a hotel near Silom this time. Sleazy is fine with me (wanted to check out Star of Light), but if there are a lot more scams, I'll stay on Sukhumvit again and go to [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) or thr other infamous places there.
Thanks!
Agree with you sir. I agree that the service is not the same, the cost has gone up. Even I don't like to chase the girls. But that is the ground reality today. The competition today is with punters who are happy to spend more for less. But things are what they are and you and me can't change them. So let us accept that and move on. There are still plenty of positive reports here by happy punters and majority of them are seniors with years of experience in LOS.Truth in what you say. Yes, there are some gems to be found, but it is a lot of work. I have been "auditioning" for regulars since my last two retired or moved on last August. Have not found a single one that fits the bill. Accept? No choice really. Move on? No choice either. A large number of guys I have known over the years already have; they left Thailand. Honestly of all the long terms residents I know, only one is still quite happy with the scene. He lives in Pattaya and takes 2 gals a day. Never pays more than 1 k, usually 700 Baht. But I could never live in Pattaya. Just too much human detritus about.
Believe me, it's no longer the P4 P scene that keeps me in LOS. It's the food, my friends, affordable health insurance and good medical care, cheap regional travel, etc. The gals have become a bonus as opposed to a focus. Twice a month is about all I partake these days. Would not mind more, if I could find some really great gals. I mean really, with anything you do when current experiences start to pale in comparison to what you have known in the past; what's the point?
Please go to Thai visa if you want to debate this crap. Anyways, instead of going to Sephan Kwai tonight, I'm on a date with my little Ninja.Actually I think it is a valid topic as it will effect all of us.
Member #4698
08-12-16, 03:43
I was in BKK last week for a non-mongering trip but I still managed to get laid once and get a gold standard BJ. ... I was staying at Sathon-Pipat, a short walk from Patpong, and I had a very limited window to partake in our hobby.
So on one night I went to Star of Light (after ages) to get an old fashioned BJ. ...
On another night I went to Electric Blue, an old favorite of mine from yester-years. The place has really gone downhill from what I remember but it still had around 20 girls dancing on stage when I entered around 10:30 pm. Few customers on a weekday so the girls were glad to see me, ... I chatted up with the two girls I had retained and both very friendly and very willing. With no promises of an LD they were both kissing me and rubbing my cock. And the one dancing on stage was making lewd gestures to me. Hell, what a situation! Out of the two girls I decide to retain #77 as somehow the chemistry worked better. So I politely asked #99 to leave us. No pressure, she left without any drama. A mamasan tried to strong-arm me into buying #99 a drink, but I did not relent. Instead I tucked a 50 b note into her bra. She walked away happy. By now the dance routine was over, so #56 came down to say Hello,. But it was too late for her. I was already into #77. So I simply said "next time maybe" to her and turned my attention to #77. Soon the mechanics were worked out. 1000 b BF + 2500 b ST. I finished my drink, paid the bill and walked out with the girl onto Surawong and headed to Talai Suites, a tiny little ST hotel just after the Japanese Sushi joint Shakariki 432.500 b for the room for 2 hours. I had a wonderful time with the young Non. Hey Blanquiceleste, I enjoyed reading your Patpong Report. I had a similar experience when I visited Bada Bing and Electric Blue on my last trip ie I met some nice girls and had a good time. I thought Bada Bing was a little bit classier and had some better looking girls than Electric Blue, but I liked both bars. I plan to head over there again sometime during my next visit to BKK when I feel like a change in scenery. I heard that Pink Panther might be worth checking out too, but I don't know first hand. I also went to the Strip, but I was not that impressed with the girls there although from what I saw I think a lot of hanky panky goes on in this bar if you want it. So Patpong 2 is alright IMHO.
Truth in what you say. Yes, there are some gems to be found, but it is a lot of work. I have been "auditioning" for regulars since my last two retired or moved on last August. Have not found a single one that fits the bill. Accept? No choice really. Move on? No choice either. A large number of guys I have known over the years already have; they left Thailand. Honestly of all the long terms residents I know, only one is still quite happy with the scene. He lives in Pattaya and takes 2 gals a day. Never pays more than 1 k, usually 700 Baht. But I could never live in Pattaya. Just too much human detritus about.
Believe me, it's no longer the P4 P scene that keeps me in LOS. It's the food, my friends, affordable health insurance and good medical care, cheap regional travel, etc. The gals have become a bonus as opposed to a focus. Twice a month is about all I partake these days. Would not mind more, if I could find some really great gals. I mean really, with anything you do when current experiences start to pale in comparison to what you have known in the past; what's the point?The Sukhumvit area is still the place to stay. Centrally located to Nana, Cowboy, Soi 7/1, Beer Garden, massage places on Sois 22-16, Soi 11, etc. Patpong is somewhat isolated. It is also hard to leave that area late at night with the BTS closed. The taxi drivers at Patpong at night are difficult. I highly recommend staying near Sukhumvit.
You are a senior member therefore you can PM him if you wish.What the fxxx?!
Obviously, I was unaware of that! Thanks Bkkdog!
I don't think he likes to find his screen name.Are you talking about finding Paul's screen name or mine? If the former, I have messaged him before. .
Truth in what you say. Yes, there are some gems to be found, but it is a lot of work. I have been "auditioning" for regulars since my last two retired or moved on last August. Have not found a single one that fits the bill. Accept? No choice really. Move on? No choice either. A large number of guys I have known over the years already have; they left Thailand. Honestly of all the long terms residents I know, only one is still quite happy with the scene. He lives in Pattaya and takes 2 gals a day. Never pays more than 1 k, usually 700 Baht. But I could never live in Pattaya. Just too much human detritus about.
Believe me, it's no longer the P4 P scene that keeps me in LOS. It's the food, my friends, affordable health insurance and good medical care, cheap regional travel, etc. The gals have become a bonus as opposed to a focus. Twice a month is about all I partake these days. Would not mind more, if I could find some really great gals. I mean really, with anything you do when current experiences start to pale in comparison to what you have known in the past; what's the point?Sounds like you might be ready to try (or return to?) the dating site scene for a while. I left it after trying it for a couple of months just for variety about a year ago but went back fairly recently with a 1 year premium membership to ThaiCupid, which comes to about $10 USD per month. I still engage in the bar scene because, after living in Bkk for about 4 years, I still enjoy meeting and choosing girls that way. But the "free" girls I can line up from ThaiCupid (which produced much better results for me than ThaiFriendly) as fillers, stand-bys, last minute booty calls, real dinner and movie dates before and sure fire all nighters afterwards is a bit overwhelming.
Mind you, I no longer prolong the preliminaries with these "dates" as I did my first time around. I don't spend days or weeks chatting back and forth, don't wait until after we've met a couple of times to lay it all out about what I want, which is REAL GFE / PSE pussy eating, fucking and sucking. No, I now stick to my looks, weight and age requirements (18-35 year old Girls), stick to my geographic requirements (within the greater Bangkok metropolitan area, no Chaing Mai or Udon Thani "pen pal" crap), and stick to my stated intentions of Romance / Dating etc. I make sure they understand on day one that I am not on ThaiCupid to find a serious relationship, find a pen pal, get married, meet families, help sick relatives or solve problems. Within the first day of chatting on the site or on Line, it has been made clear as possible that I am there for Romance / Dating, which I graciously and helpfully define for them as the kind of sex I mentioned above, with graphic details if necessary. So by the time we have that first coffee or lunch meeting, if she is lucky enough to get one(!), there is NO DOUBT about what the deal is and it is then totally up to me whether they match their photos enough for us to proceed. And if they don't come through as desired, dump them. Quickly.
Many of them do fit the bill. In fact, TOO many of them do.
I toss out dozens of "Interested in you" parties per week that do not suit me before we've exchanged more than 2 sentences on the site and yet I could still fill my days and nights with enough new ones who do make the cut to never step foot in a go-go bar, BJ bar, beer bar or up to a FL on Sukhumvit again even though I want to and do it whenever my busy schedule permits. I have to stubbornly hold my ground and refuse followup meeting demands from these girls in order to make sure I have free time to check out what is on offer at the bars and in the clubs.
If you or others tried the dating site scene before but didn't like it, as was the case with me, the one lesson it took me a second go-around to learn was it does NOT pay to be "too nice a guy" with the girls you meet on dating sites. It does pay to be bold, direct and unashamed. I don't mean you start out talking dirty with them. Be cute and charming in those first few exchanges. But while being a "nice guy" works well with many bargirls, it turns out to be the opposite with regular civilian girls on the dating sites. LOL.
Sounds like you might be ready to try (or return to?) the dating site scene for a while. I left it after trying it for a couple of months just for variety about a year ago but went back fairly recently with a 1 year premium membership to ThaiCupid, which comes to about $10 USD per month. I still engage in the bar scene because, after living in Bkk for about 4 years, I still enjoy meeting and choosing girls that way. But the "free" girls I can line up from ThaiCupid (which produced much better results for me than ThaiFriendly) as fillers, stand-bys, last minute booty calls, real dinner and movie dates before and sure fire all nighters afterwards is a bit overwhelming.
Mind you, I no longer prolong the preliminaries with these "dates" as I did my first time around. I don't spend days or weeks chatting back and forth, don't wait until after we've met a couple of times to lay it all out about what I want, which is REAL GFE / PSE pussy eating, fucking and sucking. No, I now stick to my looks, weight and age requirements (18-35 year old Girls), stick to my geographic requirements (within the greater Bangkok metropolitan area, no Chaing Mai or Udon Thani "pen pal" crap), and stick to my stated intentions of Romance / Dating etc. I make sure they understand on day one that I am not on ThaiCupid to find a serious relationship, find a pen pal, get married, meet families, help sick relatives or solve problems. Within the first day of chatting on the site or on Line, it has been made clear as possible that I am there for Romance / Dating, which I graciously and helpfully define for them as the kind of sex I mentioned above, with graphic details if necessary. So by the time we have that first coffee or lunch meeting, if she is lucky enough to get one(!), there is NO DOUBT about what the deal is and it is then totally up to me whether they match their photos enough for us to proceed. And if they don't come through as desired, dump them. Quickly.
Many of them do fit the bill. In fact, TOO many of them do.
I toss out dozens of "Interested in you" parties per week that do not suit me before we've exchanged more than 2 sentences on the site and yet I could still fill my days and nights with enough new ones who do make the cut to never step foot in a go-go bar, BJ bar, beer bar or up to a FL on Sukhumvit again even though I want to and do it whenever my busy schedule permits. I have to stubbornly hold my ground and refuse followup meeting demands from these girls in order to make sure I have free time to check out what is on offer at the bars and in the clubs.
If you or others tried the dating site scene before but didn't like it, as was the case with me, the one lesson it took me a second go-around to learn was it does NOT pay to be "too nice a guy" with the girls you meet on dating sites. It does pay to be bold, direct and unashamed. I don't mean you start out talking dirty with them. Be cute and charming in those first few exchanges. But while being a "nice guy" works well with many bargirls, it turns out to be the opposite with regular civilian girls on the dating sites. LOL.Won't work for me as I have a long term live in girlfriend. And that is a line I just won't cross. Would probably give it a whirl if I was not entrenched though. Have many friends who are in the dating scene. Most claim it is quite a bit of work.
A Belgian guy spent 200.000 bath on drinks in Long Gun bar yesterday. I hear it from a friend there that checked his bill. He is known to spend amounts like this several times per year. Must be nice to have so much money, but I am not sure I would have used them like that even if I had such financial situation. Anyway, kudos to him. I am sure all the girls are happy.
DannyPants0000
08-12-16, 14:51
The Sukhumvit area is still the place to stay. Centrally located to Nana, Cowboy, Soi 7/1, Beer Garden, massage places on Sois 22-16, Soi 11, etc. Patpong is somewhat isolated. It is also hard to leave that area late at night with the BTS closed. The taxi drivers at Patpong at night are difficult. I highly recommend staying near Sukhumvit.Thanks for the rec. Yeah, it makes sense that staying between Nana and Asoke is the best choice. I shouldn't make Patpong my main thing, especially with all the options in Nana and Cowboy.
Will be going through many massage places and bars and report back.
Hey Blanquiceleste, I enjoyed reading your Patpong Report. I had a similar experience when I visited Bada Bing and Electric Blue on my last trip ie I met some nice girls and had a good time. I thought Bada Bing was a little bit classier and had some better looking girls than Electric Blue, but I liked both bars. I plan to head over there again sometime during my next visit to BKK when I feel like a change in scenery. I heard that Pink Panther might be worth checking out too, but I don't know first hand. I also went to the Strip, but I was not that impressed with the girls there although from what I saw I think a lot of hanky panky goes on in this bar if you want it. So Patpong 2 is alright IMHO.Electric Blue girl quality for me was quite bad but I don't like siliconised. Bada Bing defintely a better standard, but nothing exciting enough to drag me away from usual haunts. Still too much fake stuff for my taste. Bar was very un busy. I think this indicates they just have not got it right to attract a lot of customers just yet. Maybe the customers are more up market than me at Bada Bing.
Just alright but quickly bored was my assessment.
I did not find any great hassles to leave Pat Pong in a taxi. I just walked a short distance away and hailed a passing taxi that was on the move. Parked taxis should be avoided. They tend to be the rip off or difficult ones.
A Belgian guy spent 200.000 bath on drinks in Long Gun bar yesterday. I hear it from a friend there that checked his bill. He is known to spend amounts like this several times per year. Must be nice to have so much money, but I am not sure I would have used them like that even if I had such financial situation. Anyway, kudos to him. I am sure all the girls are happy.It is hardly possible to spend 200 K baht on drinks. One normal drink is less than 200 baht. 200 k is well over a thousand drinks. Don't be silly. 50 girls at well over 20 drinks per person. Ha ha. I doubt they have 50 girls these days.
Sure a guy can tip girls huge money but drinks?
Perhaps he bought lots of Jonny Walker Blue Label bottles. LOL.
Member #4698
08-12-16, 18:20
Electric Blue girl quality for me was quite bad but I don't like siliconised. Bada Bing defintely a better standard, but nothing exciting enough to drag me away from usual haunts. On Sillycones:
I don't like to siliconize either. HA HA. Great word. But, on my last trip I took a girl from off the Lord sofa, not realizing she was augmentalized. I did not like her boobs and at first I regretted my selection and thought about bailing. Later on I wished I had met her earlier in her career. Apparently she didn't like her new breasts either, telling me it was hard for her to get a good night's sleep with those things. But I am sure glad I proceeded with Ing because she turned out to be a blow job queen and gave me overall very passionate service.
Face - 7 - attractive.
Ta Ta's - 4 - sillycones, but decent surgery. Not too large.
Body (otherwise) - 7. 5 - well maintained sexy 26 year old Thai girl body. Shapely mature. No fat. No kids. Great un-landscaped pussy.
Service - 9. 2 - very friendly with great BBBJ's (plural) and passionate sex including DFK, 69, rimming, and multiple positions which ran into overtime by 10 minutes or so.
WIR. Yes, I ranked this silly cone girl in my 2016 top 10, but she now tells me that she has left the Lord. I got my fingers crossed that we stay connected via LINE until I return. I am looking forward to seeing her again.
On Bada Bing, Electric Blu, and Patpong 2 Go Go's in general:
I would agree with you that they are not quite the equal of our mutually favorite bars on Cowboy or Nana, but for a change in scenery, I think they will do quite nicely. My opinion is that Patpong 2 Go Go's are the same same as Cowboy, only different and the Patpong girls I met were very friendly customer centric without being too pushy. The Electric Blue girl whom I decided not to barfine after a shot of tequila and a little get to know ya bar room intimacy accepted my no barfine decision with grace. I gave her 100bt tip for her time. The Bada Bing girl I barfined was attractive (tall and thin with natuiral Ta Ta's and blond hair) and very good in bed.
On my next trip I will have a free annual voucher night from Marriott. I will probably use it to stay at the Marriott Courtyard. The Marriott annual voucher used to be accepted at the Renaissance Hotel, but Marriott raised the Renaissance class level to 4, the bastards, and so Courtyard is the only hotel in BKK where I can use it. I am thinking of cancelling my Marriott Chase card. I prefer my Intercontinental and Hyatt Chase cards much more - less restrictions and better hotels especially in Jakarta where I will be staying for 2 weeks gratis thanks to Intercontinental and Hyatt Hotel points and vouchers. Anyway the Courtyard is a nice enough hotel and just one BTS station away from Patpong 2, so that is where I will most likely be heading early on the night in question. If things don't pan out there, I've always got Spasso and Mixx for backup later on. Its all good. This is Bangkok.
Great un-landscaped pussy.Yikes. This is one disturbing trend I am seeing at the oilies now. I don't mind a landing strip, but when the lip, taint, and a at at area are not shaved it is very unappealing to me. Probably as big if not a bigger turn off then sillies are to you guys. I actually love fake tits as long as they are well executed. Prefer them to naturals actually. But a hairy snatch wilts my pecker. Guess I am going to have to start asking if the gals are shaved. This is probably due to the increasing number of Asian customers.
Wolvenvacht
08-13-16, 08:36
It is hardly possible to spend 200 K baht on drinks. One normal drink is less than 200 baht. 200 k is well over a thousand drinks. Don't be silly. 50 girls at well over 20 drinks per person. Ha ha. I doubt they have 50 girls these days.
Sure a guy can tip girls huge money but drinks?
Perhaps he bought lots of Jonny Walker Blue Label bottles. LOL.Maybe he barfined the whole bar?
Maybe he barfined the whole bar?And bought drinks for everyone in the bar for an extended period of time.
SL.
Member #4698
08-13-16, 16:30
Yikes. This is one disturbing trend I am seeing at the oilies now. I don't mind a landing strip, but when the lip, taint, and a at at area are not shaved it is very unappealing to me. Probably as big if not a bigger turn off then sillies are to you guys. I actually love fake tits as long as they are well executed. Prefer them to naturals actually. But a hairy snatch wilts my pecker. Guess I am going to have to start asking if the gals are shaved. This is probably due to the increasing number of Asian customers.Like you, I am essentially a pussy man (did that come out right?). I love exposed bare pussy and find it a major turn on compared to the antiquated hairy bush that hides everything. There is something so erotic and mysterious about the labia (labium) and the way it folds around the vagina. I like to think of every pussy is a unique work of art and puffy, multi hued, pussy lips; the most desired form.
Now that said, I must tell you that once in a while I can enjoy the natural look. A little variety is a good thing especially since hairy vaginas are so rare in modern times. They remind me of my early days in college during the 70's when 100% of American girls were hairy, very hairy. 555. I grew up and went to college in Chicago. Most of my early girls were of southern Italian American extraction and believe me, those girls had so much dark brown fur down below that I could barely see a thing. I can still recall my first real view of a vagina and clit belonging to a girl I was shagging. She was really pretty Irish American red head. Her pussy hair was very thin and light reddish in color so it allowed me to see my first mysteriously beautiful pussy. What a turn on she was! Then, of course, time went by and sometime in the 80's styles changed and girls began shaving. That was like a gift from heaven for all of us punters and for the next 20 years all I saw and did was bare and I loved it.
Then in 2009 I took my first side trip to Macau where I rediscovered the hairy pussy. At first I did not like it, but after a couple of trips I began to get into it because it was so different from everywhere else I went. Based solely on my anecdotal experiences in Macau and Hong Kong, I would estimate that the percentage of natural hairy Chinese (and Japanese) working girls in Macau and Hong Kong is something like 70% to 80%. And take note: Chinese hairy pussy is a far cry from the thick black Italian America hairy pussy I used to enjoy back in Chicago in the good old days. Chinese and Japanese girls have long stringy pussy hair and if you are not careful, loose strands can fall into your mouth and onto your tongue. Ha Ha.
In April, I hooked up with a very sexy Chinese girl at Darling 1 in Macau. She was thin and of medium height with very nice "A" cups on an athletic and limber body. AND yeah, she had a stringy, brown, hairy pussy. I would have preferred her with a shaved pussy, but we got along great and I had a really good time with her. At some point in the session I asked her why she did not shave her pussy. Basically she told me that she was sensitive and self conscious about exposing her vagina to men and so she preferred having her long hair down there to cover up and shield her most private part. I think that is probably the most reasonable explanation I will ever hear from a Chinese girl on the subject. For the record, my two Darling 1 Chinese girls and my Lord Thai girl were the only hairy girls I had on my 2016 trip. All my other girls were shaved or trimmed including another Chinese ethnic girl from Singapore whom I met in Familia Nobre, Macau. The Singaporean had a nicely landscaped pussy.
So who knows where trends will go in the future. I can't see Thai girls going back to hairy wild pussy. They are too neat and hygienic for that to happen. The Thai working girls that leave things natural down there are obviously catering to what they perceive to be Northern Asian customer preferences. I am not sure that is what Northern Asian guys really desire. I know its what they are used to back home, but I think they might actually prefer the clean manicured look in BKK and Jakarta. Who knows? It would definitely be a disturbing trend IMHO if say more than 25% of Thai working girls in Go Go's and massage shops started letting their hair grow, but at present, I can't see that happening.
I have only been away 3 months yet a few things changed.
Visited Thermae just before 12 pm. Very full. Standard of the girls was vastly better than my previous visit. Was just a quick look. Already fucked. Maybe Saturday can be much better than another day or something very major has happened. A few really stunning girls. I will go.
Back and see if can find any girls interested or not. Shows that a single visit to a place can be fooling me. So so different this time.
Standard at Crazy House declines unless you don't mind sillies and nose jobs. Quite a few new girls but mostly fake. A few good bodies and one super body but very few naturally beautiful faces. I am biased because most of my past favourites have left, leaving just Oom No. 91 today. I will have to see if old favorite stunner Donut is contactable.
Portable bars near Cowboy have mostly gone. Police raided and found a girl or 2 not allowed. I probably fucked one of the illegals. I did not know but should have suspected. My young girl had tits a bit too fabulously high, big and natural, zero sag. Perfection.
Mercury Bar in Nana had a lot more business than previous visits. The mix of Coyotes and bargirls seems to be working for them. My favourites were absent.
Dr BJ is renamed Wood Bar and redecorated on the outside and the Nuru is Chrome Bar. I suppose this is old news, I did not check. I did try out letter Z. Pity she had her tits done just 1 moth ago. Sweet girl, quite prettty and no experience, no special skills.
Points: Face 8, body 6 marks off for sillies not that great and a baby, attitude to having fun 7, GFE 7, skills 5, repeat maybe but not certain. The lack of great skills did not bother me that much. BBBJ was quite OK.
I can't see Thai girls going back to hairy wild pussy. They are too neat and hygienic for that to happen. The Thai working girls that leave things natural down there are obviously catering to what they perceive to be Northern Asian customer preferences. I am not sure that is what Northern Asian guys really desire. I know its what they are used to back home, but I think they might actually prefer the clean manicured look in BKK and Jakarta. Who knows? It would definitely be a disturbing trend IMHO if say more than 25% of Thai working girls in Go Go's and massage shops started letting their hair grow, but at present, I can't see that happening.When I first came in the late 90's very few of the gals were shaven in LOS. In Cambo it was none. Asian dudes just don't like "bald tiger. " It's seen as a sign of ill health. During the early 00s most of the gals in LOS found the razor and it has been the norm for quite awhile now. Now it seems that Asian customers are becoming the vast majority, namely in the oilies, whereas 10 years ago they were the minority. The gals will try to please the majority. Sadly some gals I know who have been shaven for years now have a Bush. For me that is a big yuck. One of my biggest turn offs.
On Sillycones:
I don't like to siliconize either. HA HA. Great word. But, on my last trip I took a girl from off the Lord sofa, not realizing she was augmentalized. I did not like her boobs and at first I regretted my selection and thought about bailing. Later on I wished I had met her earlier in her career. Apparently she didn't like her new breasts either, telling me it was hard for her to get a good night's sleep with those things. But I am sure glad I proceeded with Ing because she turned out to be a blow job queen and gave me overall very passionate service.
Face - 7 - attractive.
Ta Ta's - 4 - sillycones, but decent surgery. Not too large.
Body (otherwise) - 7. 5 - well maintained sexy 26 year old Thai girl body. Shapely mature. No fat. No kids. Great un-landscaped pussy.
Service - 9. 2 - very friendly with great BBBJ's (plural) and passionate sex including DFK, 69, rimming, and multiple positions which ran into overtime by 10 minutes or so.
WIR. Yes, I ranked this silly cone girl in my 2016 top 10, but she now tells me that she has left the Lord. I got my fingers crossed that we stay connected via LINE until I return. I am looking forward to seeing her again.
On Bada Bing, Electric Blu, and Patpong 2 Go Go's in general:
I would agree with you that they are not quite the equal of our mutually favorite bars on Cowboy or Nana, but for a change in scenery, I think they will do quite nicely. My opinion is that Patpong 2 Go Go's are the same same as Cowboy, only different and the Patpong girls I met were very friendly customer centric without being too pushy. The Electric Blue girl whom I decided not to barfine after a shot of tequila and a little get to know ya bar room intimacy accepted my no barfine decision with grace. I gave her 100bt tip for her time. The Bada Bing girl I barfined was attractive (tall and thin with natuiral Ta Ta's and blond hair) and very good in bed.
On my next trip I will have a free annual voucher night from Marriott. I will probably use it to stay at the Marriott Courtyard. The Marriott annual voucher used to be accepted at the Renaissance Hotel, but Marriott raised the Renaissance class level to 4, the bastards, and so Courtyard is the only hotel in BKK where I can use it. I am thinking of cancelling my Marriott Chase card. I prefer my Intercontinental and Hyatt Chase cards much more - less restrictions and better hotels especially in Jakarta where I will be staying for 2 weeks gratis thanks to Intercontinental and Hyatt Hotel points and vouchers. Anyway the Courtyard is a nice enough hotel and just one BTS station away from Patpong 2, so that is where I will most likely be heading early on the night in question. If things don't pan out there, I've always got Spasso and Mixx for backup later on. Its all good. This is Bangkok.Natty,
Tits is not exactly make or break for me. Some of my best girls ever had a tit job, and one of them even had a bad tit job. The girl with bad tit job jad the tits remodelled eventually with silicone taken out. Another old favorite had her silicones reduced to be more comfortable.
So I don't always refuse girls with tit jobs. Its something for her lose points on, considering I have had girls with amazing naturals.
At Crazy Hose, I don't believe I ever had a girl with silicones, as there some really great natural bodies in there and some horrible silly girls too. I have compromised and taken a girl with nose job. No. 91 has the best nose job I have seen and looks really good to me. Plenty of ugly nose jobs. Alas my big favorite Donut does not seem to be there any more. Studies in a another province. May have taken on a sugar daddy who wants her all to himself. No real stunners in CH last night. Not like when it first opened and all the girls were very good looking.
One girl at CH interests me. Moderately plain face not ugly but not that pretty either, but stunning body. May try her just for her super ass and tits. Lovely bald pussy too.
Randy Murican
08-14-16, 07:46
One girl at CH interests me. Moderately plain face not ugly but not that pretty either, but stunning body. May try her just for her super ass and tits. Lovely bald pussy too.Just swallow your pride and take one for the team. Do give us a report.
Randy 'Murican.
Did check out the bars in Nana Plaza and was positively surprised about the quality of the girls in the Billboard bar on the 3rd floor. After the entrance on the right hand side about 15 girls topless standing in a big foam jacuzzi and on the left hand side 30 above average pretty girls in bikinis on a rotating platform. Second best bar was the upper Mandarin bar on 2nd floor. Many good looking slim girls.
Natty,
Tits is not exactly make or break for me. Some of my best girls ever had a tit job, and one of them even had a bad tit job. The girl with bad tit job jad the tits remodelled eventually with silicone taken out. Another old favorite had her silicones reduced to be more comfortable.
So I don't always refuse girls with tit jobs. Its something for her lose points on, considering I have had girls with amazing naturals.
At Crazy Hose, I don't believe I ever had a girl with silicones, as there some really great natural bodies in there and some horrible silly girls too. I have compromised and taken a girl with nose job. No. 91 has the best nose job I have seen and looks really good to me. Plenty of ugly nose jobs. Alas my big favorite Donut does not seem to be there any more. Studies in a another province. May have taken on a sugar daddy who wants her all to himself. No real stunners in CH last night. Not like when it first opened and all the girls were very good looking.
One girl at CH interests me. Moderately plain face not ugly but not that pretty either, but stunning body. May try her just for her super ass and tits. Lovely bald pussy too.It's a shame that so many gals opt for cheap sillies and nose jobs. If a nose job is well done, you will never know they had one. Most Drs use silicon; not good. Can open a pathway to infection later on. Have a friend who is board certified in plastic and head and neck surgery. Does a lot of facial reconstructions after accidents and disease. Right way is to take a small piece of rib from the person, shape it, and then place it in the nose. Done well, it looks totally natural.
As far as sillies are concerned most gals here opt for the basic cheap round implants as opposed to the McGhan teardrop shaped ones that again, look natural. Price difference is huge. Rounds can be had as cheap as 40 k, McGhans 100 K and up.
It's a shame that so many gals opt for cheap sillies and nose jobs. If a nose job is well done, you will never know they had one. Most Drs use silicon; not good. Can open a pathway to infection later on. Have a friend who is board certified in plastic and head and neck surgery. Does a lot of facial reconstructions after accidents and disease. Right way is to take a small piece of rib from the person, shape it, and then place it in the nose. Done well, it looks totally natural.
As far as sillies are concerned most gals here opt for the basic cheap round implants as opposed to the McGhan teardrop shaped ones that again, look natural. Price difference is huge. Rounds can be had as cheap as 40 k, McGhans 100 K and up."Never know"? I think even the very best nose job, one will still suspect it, even if not certain. A famous Thai actress Lalita was considered very beautiful but had an ugly large nose orinigally, a little bit hooked and definitely puffy. A few years later, her nose was markedly smaller. Thais did not seem to notice the change, but was very obvious to me. Her looks did improve dramtically though with the cuter nose, in my opinion. I don't recall any girl ever admitting to a nose job, where I had no suspicion of it whatsoever. I guess it could be secret.
No. 91 at CH, Oom, has a very straight ridged nose, and nose sticks outward (not squashed) a little more than normal for Thais, and no sign of broadness. It looks just a little too good, so one suspects. She tried to keep it secret, but finally admitted it. She tells me a small piece of bone was taken from behind the ear. She is lucky it turned out so good, as I find it to be the very best known nose job at CH, and not really noticeable. Fortunately she does not consider a tit job. Her tits are just A cups but very high and beautifully shaped.
The girl at CH with mega tats (including ass) and piercings, don't know the name, looked somewhat masculine to me with strange jaw shape, now has breast enhancements. The tits do look better than before as used to be just saggy bags. Obviously has had a child. Tit job wasn't overdone and curve shape on top down to the nipple does not seem too convex (where is supposed to be slightly concave for naturals). Some tit jobs can be an improvement, as Goatscrot says, when previously were too saggy, or complete pancakes previously. It is just unfortunate that 90% of tit jobs are not improvements to my taste, and some are completely horrendous.
I always say to girls, think of beauty of shape, and not size, when considering a tit job. Same goes for a nose job.
Is bigger better? No way! Beauty is not about being big. I do admit to preferring girls to be moderately tall at least, over really short girls, but proportion is more important. Most of my favourites are at least medium height, with the odd short girl thrown in.
Just swallow your pride and take one for the team. Do give us a report.
Randy 'Murican.Its not pride. I just get a little bit obsessed with really pretty faced girls. I often compromise on the body a little but less frequently on the face. I will do her I am sure, when the right chance arrives, now that my Donut has gone. Donut was an 9 for body and 9 for the face. The girl to be tried, name not known is close to a 10 for the body, I guess 9. 5 since her perfect tits are probably only be+ size, and her height is only average. Her face is probably only a 7, at best, but still pleasant looking for me. She has confidence, as she knows how hot her body is, I am sure. Does not struggle to get customers.
Data:
Fabulous girls of CH from former times (my top three):
Nat (sounds like nut) (80?) Face 8.5, body 10, good on the bed. Perhaps best overall girl for face, body and performance.
May Lee (49), face 9, body 9, variable on the bed, passionate after a few drinks. Hope she comes back.
Donut (21 previously 83), Face 9, body 9, passionate on the bed, but no skills.
Girls I like, possibly still there at times (hopefully):
Ging (40), face 7.5, body 9 (big tits), good enough on the bed, moderate passion (can be horny).
Oom (91), face 8.5, body 8, goer on the bed.
Jane (4), face 8, body 8 (very small tits but great ass), good on the bed.
Nikki (1), face 7.5, body 7, good enough on the bed.
Noi (78), Face 7, body 6, passionate on the bed.
Naen, Face 7, body 7, good on bed but a bit too short for me. Has a baby.
I don't really rate any of the girls in the skills department, since I don't go there looking for anal, ass licking, special expert blowjobs, etc. Just a fun time for me. Plenty of good looking girls got rejected from being dick scared or no fucking stamina at all. I never cum real quick.
Warning though. The line up seems currently weak to me. I downgrade girls with fake noses, fake tits, saggy tits, saggy ass, body too straight - no shape, hook noses, bulbous noses, chubby, fat thighs, overly prominent jaws, or even round faces, too much piercings, excessive baby stretch marks, really excessive tats. So I consider myself rather fussy for looks. I do manage to ignore a few tats as it is so common. Thermae last night had several girls much prettier than those at Crazy House, I can say they were stunning, but that was with their clothes on.
Crazy House line up tonight at 22:45 was vastly different to yesterday. Less girls but a much better standard. To my taste. Lots of nice natural bodies and very few sillies, in fact no horrible tit jobs. Still a few nose jobs. However plenty of nice looking girls for me. I felt the visit was worthwhile, if you like perving at naked tits and pussy.
No. 8 Taeng has been there for years, on and off, sometimes wear's glasses, and her friend number 30. Both were dancing real raunchy and being considerably touched up, including the pussy. Some guy had a wad of 100 Baht bills to tip the girls with. Obviously they liked that, and were very motivated to allow the groping, not too excessively.
Number 144 is tallish with beautiful tits. I might try her sometime. Also new girl 65 (name maybe Ang) was cute. 145 has nice ass and loves dancing a bit disco style. These 3 are potentially girls I might try.
Number 124 looks nice enough. Number 28 "Oo" is a pretty tall girl. I BFed her once but she was dick scared.
I decided not to take number 92 despite her hot body. Her face is rather angular with prominent jaw and she has a very untrustworthy look, so I get the wrong vibe from her. Heard a rumour she is not the nicest girl either. No. 91 Oom is nice looking and Noi 78 returned. No. 51 was cute but rather short and I prefer more model type looks.
Number 67 was one of the least natural looking with the appearance of so many face Operations that she looks like a ladyboy. Only a small number of girls I would consider as completely un doable on the ground floor. Two girls with very excessive piercings, one very short with a totally horrible body, and one with really below average face. Not many fat girls at all. Just one or two.
No. 148 (I think) had fabulous full ass, no sag, with nice gap underneath, however impossible to consider her as tits were covered by something completely hiding the shape of the tits.
I did my best to remember a few numbers in case anyone knows these girls.
Is the generic the Indian made stuff? Do the staff speak enough English that someone who speaks no Thai can communicate that they want to purchase generic cialis? I'd hate to try to communicate my needs with non-verbal communication.
Thanks.
The pharmacy next to Bully's on Sukhumvit.
The real thing is Bt. 1900 for 4. Sealed hologram package.
Generic is Bt. 400 for 4. Sealed package.
I have yet to be able to report on the efficacy of either.
Is the generic the Indian made stuff? Do the staff speak enough English that someone who speaks no Thai can communicate that they want to purchase generic cialis? I'd hate to try to communicate my needs with non-verbal communication.
Thanks.This is a shop selling to lots of tourists. They speak very good English of course. The normal Generic Cialis is called Apcalis. Would be a waste of money to pay a lot more for the Genuine brand Cialis (Lily)
I intended to take a Mango girl but she wasn't working, nor was my normal Annies girl.
Quick stop at Crazy House today. I thought I liked Jan (93) at first with a very sleek beautiful model nude figure (small tits). 3 months new. Cute upturned nose. Her face colour was a little strange. Not light, not dark, not even tan, sort of a strange dull tinge. Dark eyes. I called her over for a drink.
I did not take to the way she spoke English nor to the way she spoke Thai. I decided the chemistry wasn't quite working. She seemed like a bit of an actress. So despite the great sexy body I decided against her. I had to shoo several other girls away too (I was approached by girls a lot more than normal don't know why - perhaps newbie girls don't know me yet after away nearly 3 months). The waitress later told me the girl was Khmer when I indicated I was no longer interested in No. 93. That made some sense in relation to her strange speech. I probably should have gone for No. 144 that I had previously admired (very beautiful tits for one thing). The line up was reasonable, but not to CH best. I decided I still did not want to risk No. 92 with stunning body but angular face with the strange untrustworthy smirk.
Left and decided to stop by Thermae at 21.30. Would it be too early? My last visit to Thermae meeting a very memorable girl for LT booking was about 15 years ago. I can't remember if I ever took another girl since that time. If so, quite unmemorable.
Was quite busy already, almost as busy as Saturday night. 90% of customers looked Japanese or Koreans but a few Farangs. There are plenty of ladyboys and black girls hanging around outside the establishment but not inside.
A circuit indicated that the number of stunners was way less than last Saturday at midnight, if there were any at all. Plainly a few girls were showing interest in me, so I need not worry that girls want Japanese only. The first girl I really like, had a beautiful smooth white face and beautiful soft curved nose (not sure if had a nose job or not. If so was a good one. Looked just slightly suspicious). The problem was she wore a billowing type of dress and seated with her legs crossed it was hard to see her lower size. Eventually some Japanese guys wanted her table so she had to stand. At this point I could see her legs were reasonably okay But belly seemed too prominent. So I crossed her off without speaking to her. I was just lurking with a drink, not far away.
Back to circulate a bit till saw 2nd cute girl. Very white face upturned nose, braces, and showing off fairly nice looking tits (over the bra or top). Before I got to talk to her a quirky looking Japanese guy starting talking to her. They soon reached a decision and off they went. Negotiations maybe?
I had to move on and finally spotted a cutie with big lips and light tan skin. I thought she may not be the type Japanese like to pick. I decided to speak to her and she did not beat around the Bush at all suggesting we should go for a short time. (Chua Khrao is the Thai expression). I doubt she had much English as she did not seem to know the words "Short Time", but I noticed a lot of girls and Asian customers had to speak a bit of English together as neither could speak each other's language much. Name was Nit.
There are Hotels nearby with ST rooms when available, e. G. Ruamchit or Miami. Not great Hotels to stay in normally most likely, or perhaps Ruamchit has two sections.
Turned out Nit had a good body when undressed even if small tits. No big disappointment. All natural. Age 23. No baby no sag. Very short very black pussy hair. On the bed she was a bit weird. Squirmed around at first avoiding to be kissed. Seemed to be a cleanliness freak or scared of microbes. Into wiping herself clean too often when not necessary. Did not seem to be into DATY much. I just realised right now I didn't get a BJ either. So naturally every one will realise that "service" was non existent. We just sort of played with each other until was hard enough to fuck her.
As fuck went much better and she seemed to enjoy this, moving to it quite well, and having my pubic area rub against her clit while screwing. She seemed to like fucking only. Gave me a very nice doggie to get me to cum. So all up quite nice for the fuck, but there was absolutely nothing else. Not professional in any way at all. Of course I have had much worse bargirls than this, the dick scared ones who use very stiff legs to make themselves virtually unfuckable, a problem that is quite hard to ascertain before taking a girl. I suppose could ask a girl how she likes dick. LOL. At least this girl seemed to want to be fucked and seemed to get into it.
Turned out she had a day job selling clothes, and only was part time hooker when short of money, she suggested about 5 days per month. So its luck of the draw with part time girls whether they have any skills whatsoever and how passionate they are. This one was very friendly but clearly a microbe scared girl, was my assessment.
Obviously despite getting off okay, there is no way I would repeat, as I normally get nice kissing, nice BJ etc. It worked out cheaper than a Bargirl as did not have to pay barfine or buy her any drinks. Perhaps next time I might have to discuss the service with a Thermae girl. We did not discuss the service and actually did not discuss the money either, so I was free to pay her what I felt was about right. I have little clue what is the going rate there. The girl obviously believed Farangs are Jai Dee. LOL.
Its not fair to really rate Thermae based on a sample of one weird girl I think. I could try again another night. I will try to get a girl more stunning next time, not just pretty, might need to be a Saturday, or may have to wait patiently till the right girl arrives.
I don't know if the report is really useful, other than to indicate you can't really expect these amateur part time hookers, to be knowing how to give a great service or even wanting to. The cuter ones probably don't need to get any repeat business. However same can be said of bargirls that are the fabulous looking ones, I mean ones that are better looking than 98% can get a customer in 2 minutes flat. This is why some guys are scared to take really superior looking girls.
Even today I skipped the superior looking girl at CH as the vibe was not right. With the Thermae girl, the vibe was good, but that gave no hint she would like sex but not like kissing.
I still remember my very first visit to the old Thermae Coffee shop 24 years ago when my girl for the night was pretty, very passionate and had fabulous white expansive tits C cup, and I repeated her several nights till she enough money to go back home to Phitsanulok. Would be great to meet her again and see how she looks now aged say 44 and if her tits are still any good at all.
Wolvenvacht
08-15-16, 19:11
The pharmacy next to Bully's on Sukhumvit.
The real thing is Bt. 1900 for 4. Sealed hologram package.
Generic is Bt. 400 for 4. Sealed package.
I have yet to be able to report on the efficacy of either.I got generic Cialis called "Apcalis" from a small pharmacy near to the Emporium shopping mall on Sukhumvit. Sealed blister packs of 2, not 4. I forgot the exact price but I think it was about 300 or 400 per package.
As to the effects, when I take one in the afternoon, I feel it working until about the early morning.
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