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Banana Boi
09-02-16, 04:34
Anyone have an update on Thaniya Road gogo bars? Are they good?
If a Farang goes with a Japanese guy will he get in?
I don't think a Westerner polite or not is ever a preferred customer at Thermae by most of the younger girls. they will attract the over 25 girls for sure.Or the dark skinned Buriram and Surin girls. LOL.
Yes I am agreeing. I don't think Westerners are preferred at all. Just girls may have to take what they can get. My problem is the girls I like most are usually attractive to a wide range of guys including the Japanese and get taken rapidly. Any delay and the girl is gone, or otherwise may not be interested in me.
I hate losing a beautiful girl to a Japanese guy. I don't want to take the left over girls. Not the best hunting ground for me being too fussy about the whole package being great.
Mind you in a gogo bar I can have difficulty getting to very popular girls and lose out to other Farangs who are the girl's regular customer.
Last night Jane danced at CH. What a shock, however just one set. She was snapped up and BFed very quick as usual. She always has a customer. Her face is not quite stunning rather cute and cheeky and tan skin. Probably the most popular girl in CH and good on the bed. Mostly Farang customers. I only ever found her available at the right moment once. LOL It is essential to catch as she enters for work to have any realistic chance. I used to catch Donut as she came in the front door to make sure I was first to get to her. LOL Girls would be surprised if they had not even had the chance to get changed and get the makeup on.
Why was I so crazy? Well the girl was just so hot and pretty, seemed to like sex "a screamer" ( seemd like not acting) and nice guys and it is Crazy House.
DR Monger II
09-02-16, 05:17
It is a little bit hard to answer, because you don't say how you like to meet girls and what types you like. I usually try to specify my personal biases, even very repetitively so, so that the reader can know if my post has relevance to them or not.
Some guys hate bars and like massage parlors. The girls are not so good looking in most MPs (I regularly fail to choose a girl and move on), but the service and skills may be better.
It is true that Nana has a lot more freelancers and Ladyboys. This is not a problem. Billboard, Angel Witch, Spankies, etc. In Nana have shows. Personally, shows don't motivate me much, since years ago at Long gun when they had some really professional and beautiful dancers, when I really liked the shows.
Most erotic shows: Suzi Wong (Cowboy). Most ugly shows, like cigarette smoking pussy (several bars in Cowboy).
See Hotels thread for recommended Hotels. Many have been recommended.I've never been to Bangkok. I wish to try everything. Massage parlors and explore the nightlife at bars. If I stay in a place like Majestic Suites, is it hard to get a girl back from Soi Cowboy? Will they care to walk back to my hotel? What are the shows like at Angel Witch, Billboard, and Spankies? I heard that there are some after hours clubs to pick up freelancers? Do you know where?
I guess I would prefer pretty girls with good service. There's no need for her to be a 10 in looks or the top girl at the place. I would rather have a 7 in looks and a 10 in service than a 10 in looks and a 2 in service ratings.
Banana Boi
09-02-16, 05:27
Not the best hunting ground for me being too fussy about the whole package being great.We both have the luxury to scout out the girls we like and return another time to get them. Spend a couple of hours each night for a few nights and get to know everyone there. No different than just hanging out at a gogo bar. Last night a young cute one I hadn't seen before showed up well after midnight. By 2 am Thermae was clearing out. Maybe only 30 girls left.
I've never been to Bangkok. I wish to try everything. Massage parlors and explore the nightlife at bars. If I stay in a place like Majestic Suites, is it hard to get a girl back from Soi Cowboy? Will they care to walk back to my hotel? What are the shows like at Angel Witch, Billboard, and Spankies? I heard that there are some after hours clubs to pick up freelancers? Do you know where?
I guess I would prefer pretty girls with good service. There's no need for her to be a 10 in looks or the top girl at the place. I would rather have a 7 in looks and a 10 in service than a 10 in looks and a 2 in service ratings.Majestic Suites is OK. Girls will not want to walk from Cowboy. You need to take taxi. Taxis are cheap.
Are from Domican Republic or is DR in your handle a co incidence? Well at least specify if you are Indian, dark skin, light skin, or East Asian. This affects the advice given. Also say what sort of girls you like.
O. k service matters to you more than looks. You maybe better off in one of the pornstar type of Oily Massage parlors where looks range from a 3 to a 7, skills higher.
I prefer looks close to a 9 and skills only a 6 will do me if girl is fun loving.
Personally shows in Angel Witch, spankies and Billboard aee boring for me but for newbies all is different. Billboard recently had a Cabaret strip dance routine also a tame Lesbian show. I have not been to Angel Witch or Spankies recently. I strongly disliked Spankies slapping games last visit. Also few of the girls gave me the honest vibe.
There are various discos to pick up girls. Not my scene. There is Bangkok Beat bar with band on Sukhumvit Soi 7/1 written about often. There is Nana carpark, there is Thermae, and others.
Your questions are a bit too vague to cover everything. Very specfic questions are easier to answer. If you don't give much detail about yourself and what you like, all we can do is suggest you try everything and see what you like.
You should read the forum over several months. As a newbie on the forum, I just read information and did not ask questions.You can learn a lot. Later I started posting reports.
Once you know where you want to go Google search and Google Maps are your friend. This is obvious to myself.and many others. I can usually find anything without asking anybody other than Google.
OK Sometimes Google Maps has markers in the wrong place. I still managed to find Mitu Massage after a bit of effort. I posted directions to be easier for others.
Beware Thai maps are not to scale and North is not always in upward direction. I notice some people have no clues about North direction anyway. Like girls can't use Maps LOL and many Thai taxi drivers cannot use Maps as well.
We both have the luxury to scout out the girls we like and return another time to get them. Spend a couple of hours each night for a few nights and get to know everyone there. No different than just hanging out at a gogo bar. Last night a young cute one I hadn't seen before showed up well after midnight. By 2 am Thermae was clearing out. Maybe only 30 girls left.Yes good advice for fussy guys. I can't just grab any old girl. I am very familar with the line up in some places. Thermae should be no different especially as I am not the preferred customer when an unknown. I have advantage of being well known in some places and the disadvantage.
Many CH girls will know beforehand I take a long time to cum but am not stingy or demanding. This does not worry some girls too much.
I don't go out every night so 2 hours in Thermae per night is not quite realistic. A quicker visit every 2 to 4 days is an option. No girl there has reached my "must do" list as yet. I have very safe girls at 5 other venues to consider first who are all pretty good looking girls for my spec, DFK and fun.
I can even go Nana Carpark if need a cheap quickie. Saw cuties in bars on Soi 4 and Soi 23 recently yet to be checked out in detail. No not LBs.
The attraction of Thermae has to depend on your success rate, and ability to guage chemistry from a relatively quick chat. How to tell if her figure is really great or a disaster area? Its same as an Oily. You see as much as you can see then have to get lucky. In Thermae you see less due to conservative dress but you get to talk to girl, and usually that will indicate quickly enough if she wants you or not, I suppose.
What percentage of girls DFK? i would like to ask for a sample DFK in Thermae to seal the deal. LOL
I don't think a Westerner polite or not is ever a preferred customer at Thermae by most of the younger girls. they will attract the over 25 girls for sure.
Had to laugh last night since another Farang showed up in a wife beater shirt and skateboard shorts. Pure class.But, I would think a non-preferred customer arriving sround midnight may not have much competition from the "more desirable" ethnicity. Those folks show up around 9, pick up their girl and they're done. Unless, they come back to the club for seconds, or thirds.
I prefer looks close to a 9 and skills only a 6 will do me if girl is fun loving.Talk is cheap when's the last time you posted a photo of one of your 9's? A censored photo would do.
For the last couple of years (on the BKK Forum) every other post is you. Man you deserve your own forum.
Asian Rain
09-02-16, 08:03
Crazy House line up significantly better tonight. So has been quite weak most nights but not all. Some nice girls present for looks: Oom 91, Kratae, Jane 4, Bell, Taengmo 62, No. 93 forget name, Off 3, also quite a number of other pretty girls for those not allergic to nose jobs... Many beautiful nude girls dancing very sexy or disco style showing off pussy too. Not just shuffling girls.I was in there last night as was quite "meh" about the lineup. Spotted Taengmo 62, nice package. The tat-covered girl with papaya tits and mannish face seemed to have some kind of slime oozing out of her snatch. When she was doing sexy dancing her slit glistened like she had spread a healthy coating of KY there. I thought she would make a snail trail when she did her rounds. I thought to buy her a tequila to see if it was a natural or man-made phenomena, but her facial looks were just not for me.
The Japanese guy next to me had a cute girl with a nice natural rack, braces and a fantastic smile (I think 148)? She did a very nice job of doing a lap dance for him and trying (in vain) to have a chat with him. I put her on my list for second check. He kept buying drinks for girls and mama-san. It was interesting to see how the different girls treated this guy. There was one girl with what I can describe only as a somewhat mongoloid face, face piercing and a suzy wong hairstyle. She was a sexy dancer on stage, but when he bought her a drink she just slammed it down and left. Didn't even bother to sit down. Given that he was also buying his mama-san drinks all night, it was disappointing to see that treatment. He ran up a tab of over 3000 b before he departed alone.
The shows they are doing now are quite boring. There is pudgy matron (I am being kind, you will know her when you see her) who does the dart & balloon show downstairs and a sexy body-painted butch who does similar. The only advantage of the shows is that is gets all the girls out onto the floors and circulating.
Having arrived late on a previous night, I went upstairs to get a seat. The talent upstairs is not on par with the ground floor IMO. Dancing was more shuffle shuffle and lazy a times. Upstairs has the merit of being quieter and if you want the "best seat in the house for the shows", then you look down directly and mark the trajectory of the dart from the straw to the balloon.
All-in-all I like CH because of the general vibe. Having been to Long Gun and Dollhouse (both former haunts and sources of bar fine girls), the energy is about the best in SC. My observation last night was that they need more girls. The girl-to-customer ratio was somewhat dismal at points. This is an even bigger point at struggling bars like Long Gun and Dollhouse. If 3-4 girls are sitting with customers, then there is literally nobody on stage. Buy a girl a drink and 10 seconds later she will have to get back on stage to fill the gaps. And those are not the gaps I want to be filling.
I have gotten around quite a bit in the past couple weeks, so more reports to come. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.
I was in there last night as was quite "meh" about the lineup. Spotted Taengmo 62, nice package. The tat-covered girl with papaya tits and mannish face seemed to have some kind of slime oozing out of her snatch. When she was doing sexy dancing her slit glistened like she had spread a healthy coating of KY there. I thought she would make a snail trail when she did her rounds. I thought to buy her a tequila to see if it was a natural or man-made phenomena, but her facial looks were just not for me.
The Japanese guy next to me had a cute girl with a nice natural rack, braces and a fantastic smile (I think 148)? She did a very nice job of doing a lap dance for him and trying (in vain) to have a chat with him. I put her on my list for second check. He kept buying drinks for girls and mama-san. It was interesting to see how the different girls treated this guy. There was one girl with what I can describe only as a somewhat mongoloid face, face piercing and a suzy wong hairstyle. She was a sexy dancer on stage, but when he bought her a drink she just slammed it down and left. Didn't even bother to sit down. Given that he was also buying his mama-san drinks all night, it was disappointing to see that treatment. He ran up a tab of over 3000 b before he departed alone.
The shows they are doing now are quite boring. There is pudgy matron (I am being kind, you will know her when you see her) who does the dart & balloon show downstairs and a sexy body-painted butch who does similar. The only advantage of the shows is that is gets all the girls out onto the floors and circulating.
Having arrived late on a previous night, I went upstairs to get a seat. The talent upstairs is not on par with the ground floor IMO. Dancing was more shuffle shuffle and lazy a times. Upstairs has the merit of being quieter and if you want the "best seat in the house for the shows", then you look down directly and mark the trajectory of the dart from the straw to the balloon.
All-in-all I like CH because of the general vibe. Having been to Long Gun and Dollhouse (both former haunts and sources of bar fine girls), the energy is about the best in SC. My observation last night was that they need more girls. The girl-to-customer ratio was somewhat dismal at points. This is an even bigger point at struggling bars like Long Gun and Dollhouse. If 3-4 girls are sitting with customers, then there is literally nobody on stage. Buy a girl a drink and 10 seconds later she will have to get back on stage to fill the gaps. And those are not the gaps I want to be filling.
I have gotten around quite a bit in the past couple weeks, so more reports to come. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.They do have a lot of girls but many just don't show up.
I agree with most of your points. The shows and girls performing them are generally horrible. Why hire super ugly girls to do super ugly shows? Dispense with these shows or run them upstairs only.
I don't know what is Suzi Wong hair. Is that the girl with short blonde hair and very round ugly face and piercing?
The girl with heaps on tats on ass and new sillies is indeed manlike in the face. I never checked out her snatch but the piercings would sparkle. She is extra raunchy so amazingly many guys go for her.
I think the ratio os not too bad. Plenty of girls still available given not many guys are barfining them. Line up certainly not at fullest but you cannot expect girls to work when a shortage of customers that want to do more than just drink alone.
Any way the line up was moderately good compared to recent times not in total numbers but in number of girls of resonable looks. Only numbers 4 and 91 interested me. Natural slim girls very sexy.
CH needs to dump the horrible shows and get more pretty natural girls to get back to the standard of 1 year to 2 years ago. Needs to maintain a very clear difference to Baccara.
RahulMangla2009
09-02-16, 12:58
Hi all,
Can someone suggest a hotel bear Sukhumvit or Nana plaza Aralea which is girl friendly and has nice jacuzzi in the rooms?
I was in there last night as was quite "meh" about the lineup. Spotted Taengmo 62, nice package.Easy to say but its very non specific. When I complain about the line up it is the lack of really pretty natural faces. There are plenty of good sleek bodies with very small to small medium tits which is fine for me. Last night there were very few girls with big tits excepting a couple of silicone cases. Guys looking for big tits would be disappointed. Ging has good tits but has not been around. Bo used to have great tits. Saggy after baby and covered now. Mook 144 has impressive high medium sized tits but was missing.
There were a small number of girls with good natural faces but a lot of nose jobs that would not necessarily spoil the looks for all guys.
Which problem is causing you to "meh"?
I would say for guys liking lots of big tits, Crazy House is not the right place. The girl with soccer ball tits seems to be gone.
I recall other guys liking bars with lots of big tit girls. Mostly silicone or fatties so not impressive at all for me.
Banana Boi
09-02-16, 13:33
Another tour of the oily massage places. Can Can again had nice girls but the guy who runs the place took manner lessons from the CH waitresses. Angel had a couple of girls. Awkward being in a fish bowl 3 feet away from the girl. Club 102 not the best lineup but I like my girl and there is a fun girl there with cupcake tattoos on her shoulder. Orient Massage had a couple of decent ones but really not even as good as a place like Nightwish on soi 6 which is almost half the price (1300 baht). Orient is the cheapest I have seen at 1900 baht for 1 hour. Addict didn't have the best girls but so much fun. Girls are super friendly trying to get your attention, When you say no the girls come to attack you. Hilarious. I thought Mamasan (?) (she was in black) was the prettiest one and would go with her for sure. Yes I asked her.
Ah yes the Japanese guy running Can Cam is pathetic really. His English is not real good either.
http://cancam-massage.com/sp/home.php
CH has sone crap waitresses that are annoying. Not all are so bad. Little No. S1 is excellent for me.
Asian Rain
09-02-16, 14:10
I don't know what is Suzi Wong hair.Actually the better term is "kappa" hairstyle which is a Japanese girl term. She had a long kappa, but the way it was cut at the top matches the pic. This girl cannot be missed. Has a piercing at the side of her mouth and her Bush is trimmed as a straight "I" landing strip. Add in the slightly mongoloid face and you can't miss.
Will check the lineup tonight and lookout. My "meh" comment is that I have seen better in CH, not that things were bad. Plenty of talent to please. Agree that CH needs to keep its game high. Every mall needs "anchor stores" and CH and Baccara seem to be doing it for Cowboy. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.
Actually the better term is "kappa" hairstyle which is a Japanese girl term. She had a long kappa, but the way it was cut at the top matches the pic. This girl cannot be missed. Has a piercing at the side of her mouth and her Bush is trimmed as a straight "I" landing strip. Add in the slightly mongoloid face and you can't miss.
Its easy to miss girls, especially if they are very ordinary looking, unless they really stand out for some reason. I am sure I will notice next time. When I assess a line up I am not really looking at the ugliest girls, since some are very bad indeed, but only looking at the top dozen girls. Most ugly girls or older girls (not saying the older ones are ugly), get relegated to upstairs.
You could easily have missed Jane No. 4 a top girl, since she only got up to dance once for a few minutes (stuck with a customer) and No. 91 Oom was on my lap a bit drunk for quite a while so not dancing much. She claimed to have consumed 10 glasses of Yaa Dong before I arrived (could have been bullshitting - she is not a 100% reliable girl for the truth LOL), and was outside doing exactly that when I arrived. I think she danced for a very small number of minutes as well.
Talk is cheap when's the last time you posted a photo of one of your 9's? A censored photo would do.
For the last couple of years (on the BKK Forum) every other post is you. Man you deserve your own forum.Nah I went missing for nearly three months recently. I can't post faces of girls. They are secretly working as hookers. I have posted pics of the bodies of some girls before. However most of my useful private pics are just faces.
I am not asking that many more classy girls (relatively) to pose nude.
If I post a clothed pic with head cut off it will be meaningless. So for Donut I have 4 or 5 pics. They all focus on her face. I may have one useful pic of her body in underwear that can be posted. You can see I like slim. Banana Boi saw pics of Donut's face. He did not find her quite as stunning as I did. His spec is different. For faces, personal taste counts a lot.
2nd pic is Bai Fern a long gone favourite massage girl. Its a tiny shop pic of her and does not really do her justice. She probably was not that white but her face was less puffy than in the pic.
I did not take either of these pics myself. I never got a pic of the girl with a 10 body at Cherry Massage. I am not a regular poster of pics.
Pics of Gaew at Pink are probably still on their website even she is long gone. Her body was close to a ten. O.K. I can't find the Pink Massage web site any more.
What is the forum useful for?
For me, not one of my favorite girls, in Thailand, ever came from a recommendation or reading a report. I had to find them all for myself. Due to personal taste, this is always likely to be the case. Perhaps tried a recommendation on a rare occasion but those girls never lived up to what I hoped for. However I have received a few useful girl recommendations in other countries. The other parts of the forum used to be a bit more useful at times. Thailand forum used to have a lot more shit dumping and negative stuff, but may have actually improved in that respect.
What I have got out of the forum is recommendations for venues worth taking a look at. Whether it was Tulip, Snow White, Mango, Annies, Billboard, Mitu, SOL, Bongkot, Addict, Saphan Kwai, Dr. BJ, whatever. Hardly any Soapies or bars listed since these were all places I used before joining the forum. So in my reports I try to give info on what venues are like for finding girls of particular types or what type of a girl I found there. Seems that first decent Crazy House report was by DRRonin on 12th August 2013 (giving more info than Jmg005 and Kumbu who did not know the name) and I attended within a week or two, and later became a regular.
I encourage others to likewise report on how things are at venues for mongering, especially venues not covered that much, as I suspect that this is the most useful info we can get. Maybe for the newbie, a much broader range of info is needed.
For really well known venues, comments on which girls might be worth trying is also useful. Status updates would be good. We get very few reports about which Soapies are good these days. I have not been attending them much myself. I would help more if I could. Getting lazy to travel far afield to get to them.
Comments on famous girls that moved to another shop have always been handy too. I. e. June seen at Bongkot (for a while).
Nah I went missing for nearly three months recently. I can't post faces of girls. They are secretly working as hookers. I have posted pics of the bodies of some girls before. However most of my useful private pics are just faces.
I am not asking that many more classy girls (relatively) to pose nude.
If I post a clothed pic with head cut off it will be meaningless. So for Donut I have 4 or 5 pics. They all focus on her face. I may have one useful pic of her body in underwear that can be posted. You can see I like slim. Banana Boi saw pics of Donut's face. He did not find her quite as stunning as I did. His spec is different. For faces, personal taste counts a lot.
2nd pic is Bai Fern a long gone favourite massage girl. Its a tiny shop pic of her and does not really do her justice. She probably was not that white but her face was less puffy than in the pic.
I did not take either of these pics myself. I never got a pic of the girl with a 10 body at Cherry Massage. I am not a regular poster of pics.
Pics of Gaew at Pink are probably still on their website even she is long gone. Her body was close to a ten. O.K. I can't find the Pink Massage web site any more.I appreciate the effort but Gaew at Pink is not a 9 in my book. Some pics from their web site are not much of an effort but that's fine. You tried and that's what counts.
When I read that you had the pick of the litter at Thermae that doesn't ring true either but whatever floats your boat. The Asian guys tend to have whatever they want there but I've never seen a westerner.
Do that well and I've been in there plenty. I know that if you live in BKK it is a totally different game, a better game but as a tourist I find it to be cold and all business w 85% of the hot hookers.
Here's a personally taken pic of an 8 in my book. I'm not censoring her because she did not perform at the end of our time together. We had a blast until it was bedtime.
That's what I don't like about Thailand, the women are spoiled and have all the power. The streets in BKK are overflowing w / foreign dick every visit, never a slow season there.
The happiest people on this planet have to be the hot Bangkok Gogo dancers who are laughing all the way to the bank. Here's one of them, actually a Pattaya gogo dancer.
To close out, a properly censored pic can prove what you really take home w / out any repercussions to you. Maybe a few per 500 posts LOL.
Cheers.
Hi all,
Can someone suggest a hotel bear Sukhumvit or Nana plaza Aralea which is girl friendly and has nice jacuzzi in the rooms?This thread is getting clogged up with people asking about hotels when there is a thread called Bangkok Hotels. Try asking there.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1029-Bangkok-Hotels
Hi Friends,
Max here from the India (Bangalore) forum. I have a friend (Indian citizen) who's travelling from Beijing to Bangalore with a layover at BKK airport for 10 hours. I answered his queries based on my experience in BKK. Please let me know if I got all the facts right. Thanks in advance!
1: Do I need to have a visa-on-arrival to get out of Suvarnabhumi airport for 10 hours? Is that easy?
- Yes. You will either have to pay the airport tax (around 800 Baht) or the get the visa if you're leaving the airport. You will have to check this at the airport. It is easy, but might take about 20 minutes to an hour if there's a queue for visa. To make the process easier, carry some passport size photos of different sizes.
2. Is there ANY chance at all that I get some massage + extras inside the Airport massage places? (This question is because of the concern over going out alone in an unknown place.)
- Nope. Very unlikely to get extras. There are a few massage parlors but getting happy ending there is unlikely.
3. Is it safe for an Indian in the soapy massage places in Sukhumvit and Nana? Is it Safe to take my carry on laptop bag to these places?
- Yes, BKK is a safe place. You can take your carry-on luggage to almost all of these MPs. Just be careful you don't misplace them. Don't worry about getting overpowered / manhandled and looted, it's highly unlikely.
4. Are there any language issues at these soapy massage parlors?
- Don't expect the girls to know English. The mamasan (one who runs the show) would know a little bit of English and you should be able to get what you want.
- If possible extend your stay for a day or more, BKK deserves more attention.
Cheers guys, please let me know!
This year in my mongering trip in April I never paid more than 2000 bht to a girl from Climax and 3000 bht for a lady from Mixx / Spasso if she is Thai and 3000-5000 bht if she is CIS or Latino from shock -Mixx -Spasso Aaw come on Alex, this is just not fair. Dude, you are comparing apples to oranges. As we all know, you have game, my friend. When you, sir, enter a joint, you schmooze, you slide, you wink, and half a dozen girls swoon. Not all of us are like the charming mutherfucker you see in the mirror every morning. When I schmooze, they go home and shower because it makes them feel dirty. When I slide, they grab my elbow thinking I might fall and break my hip. When I wink, people call 911 since they think I am having a stroke. So Alex7 J I am not.
I guess I pay a premium for being a mere mortal, not being endowed with the slick charisma of a gent of your abilities. Having said all of that, I really do enjoy myself, and the price I pay is perfectly fine for me. I get quoted such prices, and often more than that. I eventually settle on the prices I stated, and those prices were obviously an estimate made upon my own experiences. But the fact that you manage so much better than me tells everyone that the market is flexible. If a monger is able to go that low, they should certainly do so. For that, I think your post is very helpful and informative.
Cheers guys: Change your mongering pattern.Cheers Alex, but no thanks. I'm good.
I appreciate the effort but Gaew at Pink is not a 9 in my book. Some pics from their web site are not much of an effort but that's fine. You tried and that's what counts.
When I read that you had the pick of the litter at Thermae that doesn't ring true either but whatever floats your boat. The Asian guys tend to have whatever they want there but I've never seen a westerner.
Do that well and I've been in there plenty. I know that if you live in BKK it is a totally different game, a better game but as a tourist I find it to be cold and all business w 85% of the hot hookers.
Here's a personally taken pic of an 8 in my book. I'm not censoring her because she did not perform at the end of our time together. We had a blast until it was bedtime.
That's what I don't like about Thailand, the women are spoiled and have all the power. The streets in BKK are overflowing w / foreign dick every visit, never a slow season there.
The happiest people on this planet have to be the hot Bangkok Gogo dancers who are laughing all the way to the bank. Here's one of them, actually a Pattaya gogo dancer.
To close out, a properly censored pic can prove what you really take home w / out any repercussions to you. Maybe a few per 500 posts LOL.
Cheers.Spot on Socker. As a long time resident I will tell you that it is no different for most of us here. Those of us who have been here a decade plus do remember when it was different and that is why we moved here in the first place. It is a seller's market now and has been for quite some time. Anyone who claims it is a buyer's market really hasn't a clue.
Pop on over to the Tijuana streetwalker's thread. Great pic of a gal this dude did for less than 20 USD. Amazing body. And probably got about the same service as you get from a hundred dollar GoGo gal in BKK or Patters. When I moved over going rate in Mex border towns was 40 - 50 USD. Here it was 1 K Baht. Price and performance were better here. Seems that has flipped. "Who'd a thunk it?
I appreciate the effort but Gaew at Pink is not a 9 in my book. Some pics from their web site are not much of an effort but that's fine. You tried and that's what counts.
When I read that you had the pick of the litter at Thermae that doesn't ring true either but whatever floats your boat. The Asian guys tend to have whatever they want there but I've never seen a westerner.
Do that well and I've been in there plenty. I know that if you live in BKK it is a totally different game, a better game but as a tourist I find it to be cold and all business w 85% of the hot hookers.
Here's a personally taken pic of an 8 in my book. I'm not censoring her because she did not perform at the end of our time together. We had a blast until it was bedtime.
That's what I don't like about Thailand, the women are spoiled and have all the power. The streets in BKK are overflowing w / foreign dick every visit, never a slow season there.
The happiest people on this planet have to be the hot Bangkok Gogo dancers who are laughing all the way to the bank. Here's one of them, actually a Pattaya gogo dancer.
To close out, a properly censored pic can prove what you really take home w / out any repercussions to you. Maybe a few per 500 posts LOL.
Cheers.The girl in your pic looks very much like a girl I took once from Shark about two years ago and during the next year took a couple more times from Baccara on Soi Cowboy in Bangkok. But it is not the same girl, just looks very much like her except my girl had slightly lighter skin. So I use that as a reference to, well, bolster some of what you said and also maybe argue against some of what you said.
The "argue against" part of it is that I would not be the least bit surprised that no matter what game I had or rewards I offered short of a sizable bank roll, an "8" in Pattaya would pull exactly what you said happened in your case with that girl; non performance. LOL. But that is my take on Pattaya in general, not of Bangkok. I used to prefer Pattaya over Bangkok but over the past few years no way. The half dozen or so girls I have had on my trips to Pattaya over the past 2-3 years have been a total waste of time, emotion and money, even the ones who barely came through with whatever they had enthusiastically agreed to do in the bar. But Bangkok is different. Which is one of the big reasons I now live in Bangkok instead of Pattaya. So I would argue that a much bigger factor in that girl not performing was not that she was intrinsically a "spoiled" Thai girl but that you found her in Pattaya instead of Bangkok! Pattaya girls are "spoiled" compared with Bangkok girls. Spoiled by guys who are probably too drunk most of the time to even know whether they've paid for good, bad, indifferent or no sex at all with the girls down there.
But the go-go girl I had in Bangkok, who I am sure you would have rated at least an "8" because she was so similar to the one in your pic, did perform beautifully. And she delivered what in my book really and truly counts as a GFE. As you might have read in my other posts, you can take that as politically correct code for delivering what any adult man would naturally expect from a real girlfriend he'd been with over a significant amount of time in terms of real skin-on-skin FS and BJs.
However, in keeping with the other conditions you mentioned, the "bolster" part is I did not take her the first time I met her, chatted her up and bought her a Ladydrink. Since I live here (and because I actually was too busy to take her on that first meeting) I took her a week or so later when I returned to Shark Bar. So living here and her seeing me a week or so prior to our first ST together, as well as taking her to my permanent apartment, not to a hotel room, might have had a bearing on her being willing to give me a true GFE. I should also say I paid her at least 500 baht more than she probably is paid for the usual "lick around the edges, slip on a cap and proceed" quality of service. I paid her 3,000 baht for what amounted to more than 90 minutes of real GFE in my apartment. To me, that extra 500 baht was well worth it. And I have gotten the same quality of service from girls at least as attractive as her if not more for the usual 2000-2500ST rate for go-go girls in those kinds of bars.
Asian Rain
09-03-16, 04:13
There are Hotels nearby with ST rooms when available, e. G. Ruamchit or Miami. Not great Hotels to stay in normally most likely, or perhaps Ruamchit has two sections.Did a pickup with a girl near (not in) Thermae so we went to Ruamchit for ST room. I was surprised to see the reception stylishly remodeled from the previous drab decor. I was even more surprised to be charged B650 for the room. I was in a time-vs-money mood, so I payed rather than challenge or walk out. The room was more like a normal remodeled tourist-class hotel room than a short time room (there were sheets and blanket on the bed), so the class was well above venues such as Asoke Place (near Cowboy) or di Place (near Nana Plaza).
I should just walk over and ask, but I was wondering if there were any other experiences. Is there another class of room at Ruamchitt? What are the rates at Miami? Thanks and enjoy BKK, AsianRain.
Spot on Socker. As a long time resident I will tell you that it is no different for most of us here. Those of us who have been here a decade plus do remember when it was different and that is why we moved here in the first place. It is a seller's market now and has been for quite some time. Anyone who claims it is a buyer's market really hasn't a clue.
Pop on over to the Tijuana streetwalker's thread. Great pic of a gal this dude did for less than 20 USD. Amazing body. And probably got about the same service as you get from a hundred dollar GoGo gal in BKK or Patters. When I moved over going rate in Mex border towns was 40 - 50 USD. Here it was 1 K Baht. Price and performance were better here. Seems that has flipped. "Who'd a thunk it?I was in Tijuana last week and I was unlucky w / the escorts. The ones I wanted to see were busy or on the men and so the owner of the escort service suggested a really sexy one but she couldn't stop giggling while I put my moves on her. She was out the door in 20 minutes, she was nice looking too. Generally in my Tijuana experience the escorts are the only game in town for GFE when language challenged. I have been trying to learn espanol for over 5 years and I still struggle w / it. Fluid conversation is my aim and I won't stop trying. Right now I'm using an online service called Language Bird and it's excellent. They probably offer Thai too but forget about it. Spanish is hard enough. Thai would be impossible to learn properly.
Back to the pussy.
In Tijuana the SGs are all non GFE but out of a 100 I saw last Friday night about 3 or 4 were DDG model level. The sight of these ladies in their skirts that don't quite cover their beautiful asses is heart attack material. I have GFE ingrained so deeply I usually never consider them for sport but next time down I will gladly hire one for $20 to bounce up and down on me for 20 minutes. If you want to see their tits that's extra, touching another extra, but my word it would be worth it.
The girl in your pic looks very much like a girl I took once from Shark about two years ago and during the next year took a couple more times from Baccara on Soi Cowboy in Bangkok. But it is not the same girl, just looks very much like her except my girl had slightly lighter skin. So I use that as a reference to, well, bolster some of what you said and also maybe argue against some of what you said.
The "argue against" part of it is that I would not be the least bit surprised that no matter what game I had or rewards I offered short of a sizable bank roll, an "8" in Pattaya would pull exactly what you said happened in your case with that girl; non performance. LOL. But that is my take on Pattaya in general, not of Bangkok. I used to prefer Pattaya over Bangkok but over the past few years no way. The half dozen or so girls I have had on my trips to Pattaya over the past 2-3 years have been a total waste of time, emotion and money, even the ones who barely came through with whatever they had enthusiastically agreed to do in the bar. But Bangkok is different. Which is one of the big reasons I now live in Bangkok instead of Pattaya. So I would argue that a much bigger factor in that girl not performing was not that she was intrinsically a "spoiled" Thai girl but that you found her in Pattaya instead of Bangkok! Pattaya girls are "spoiled" compared with Bangkok girls..A lot of guys would deny that my beautiful Pattaya hooker is not an 8 but you have the confidence and an accurate rating eye as I.
I'm not bragging, that kind of hooker never gives me the time of day, maybe only to get a few LDs is the closest I usually get to their beautiful sexy pussies. If I lived there I would work the scene completely differently but I don't yet. In my rotation of countries Thailand blows all other places away in quality and numbers so when I'm there it's quite frustrating. Never getting the most beautiful dancer 8 out of 10 tries is frustrating and is why I am not stopping there during my next trip. I will stay in the PI and if I want quality Makati is where I go. On many occasions I have seen stunners equal to the Thai women I'm talking about and in Makati they all say yes. I am never disregarded as I am in Thailand. I just can't settle for the Thai crumbs as a desperate tourist on a vacation. I am not that well versed on all the options in BKK but I know the game they all play and that all keep an eye on each other. Gogo girl peer pressure is part of the reason for my struggles.
An example, a few months ago I was in the Patpong district (which I like the best) and in the bar I'm the only customer. The dancer is incredibly sexy, a tiny spinner in black lingerie, she is the thinnest dancer I ever saw. So I ask her down and we have a drink for 10 minutes w / nice conversation. She then returns to the stage 10 feet in front of me and dances the next 3 songs w / her back to me. She is dancing to an empty row of seats and I'm sitting there and my smile fades away as she ignores the only customer in there. For me that's inexplicable but not when you think of all the uppidy Thai gogo girls. I say adios to that, it still angers me w that kind of snobbery. Fuck them. The sweet pinays will collect my hard earned dough and treat me like a king.
Anyhoo, that's the reality right now and my job is to avoid it. I'll be on a plane in a couple of days so I'm pretty jacked up. Thanks for the great reply. I totally agree w / your pov and fortunately as we all know, there's always a way to find the sweet spot.
Cheers!
Banana Boi
09-03-16, 04:40
Baccara. Arrived at 10. Absolutely packed. Decided to go to 2nd floor. Saw 2 groups on 2nd floor and couldn't look at average Thai girls any more so went back down to the main group downstairs. Miraculously, we found a table. Definitely some nice girls there but imo talent has slipped. I prefer the top girls at Baccara Pattaya over BKK. My favorite was 109 who would be Syzy's nightmare. Complete Barbie doll plastic face. I liked her more because of her happiness than her looks. Unlike most zombies at Baccara, this girl has fun. I would have barfined her no brainer but she made it to 2 tables away from me. May return tonight.
Crazy House. I actually saw a girl I liked here but she was busy. The rest of the talent was below Windmill talent at Pattaya. Very similar looking girls to Windmill except Windmill is a dirtier club. I won't be returning to CH for some time.
Midnite. As a joke we were going to take my friend here because some ladyboys who could pass as girls here. His first full day ever in Thailand. Couldn't pull the trigger but would have been funny to see him hit on a ladyboy.
Rainbow 4 - this imo is the best club in BKK and arguably better than Pattaya as well. I enjoy the atmosphere and music. The girls are amazing I really liked 37 and 88. If my buddy finds a LT girl at thermae tonight I'm going here first.
Rainbow 1 - Walked in and out. Not that there weren't a couple of ok girls here but I don't think there were many more than 15 girls. We were in a rush to get back to Thermae by midnight.
Banana Boi
09-03-16, 04:53
Thermae was packed with guys at 9 pm last night. The fullest I have ever seen it. I didn't see any new must do girls for me so within the hour decided to walk to Soi Cowboy. Returned after midnight and still packed but not as bad. There was a petite girl with glasses who had a LOS Angeles shirt earlier but she was missing. Got a text from my friend at 2:30 am that she was back but I was already eating with 2 girls. I guess a 3rd girl would have been nice but not necessary. I would have went with the glasses girl. Maybe tonight. Lineup definitely seems down this month.
Going rate for all girls appears to be 2500 for 1 hour now. Was 2 hours before. To be honest I am a bit disappointed with Thermae this month, possibly because I am familiar with all the girls there.
I appreciate the effort but Gaew at Pink is not a 9 in my book. Some pics from their web site are not much of an effort but that's fine. You tried and that's what counts.
When I read that you had the pick of the litter at Thermae that doesn't ring true either but whatever floats your boat. The Asian guys tend to have whatever they want there but I've never seen a westerner.
Do that well and I've been in there plenty. I know that if you live in BKK it is a totally different game, a better game but as a tourist I find it to be cold and all business w 85% of the hot hookers.
Here's a personally taken pic of an 8 in my book. I'm not censoring her because she did not perform at the end of our time together. We had a blast until it was bedtime.
That's what I don't like about Thailand, the women are spoiled and have all the power. The streets in BKK are overflowing w / foreign dick every visit, never a slow season there.
The happiest people on this planet have to be the hot Bangkok Gogo dancers who are laughing all the way to the bank. Here's one of them, actually a Pattaya gogo dancer.
To close out, a properly censored pic can prove what you really take home w / out any repercussions to you. Maybe a few per 500 posts LOL.
Cheers.Someone writes that they found a really pretty girl with a great body, and later maybe had a great GFE session. You just want to come along and belittle that or "Put down". After all its not possible to find really hot girls and your taste has to be much better than mine. ha ha.
I did point out that my marks are based on my spec. I did not claim to get the pic of the litter at Thermae. Merely a girl that appealed suffificiently at the time. Not one of my favourites at all. Not a 9.
Gaew at Pink was a 9 for body, extremely good, and an 8 for face to my spec. I like slim curvy girls. That was excluding performance as a separate rating. She was not a really top performer by any means. Donut and Bai Fern were great GFE girls. Gaew was mentioned purely as you don't find oily girls with a body that good very often.
You criticise pics I obtained that were postable but served up a very dim pic. Not exactly spectacular either. Maybe just some girl you were happy to show the face, I don't know.
There is little point arguing whose taste is better. The girl in your pic has a face that is not my type at all. I would not give her a 2nd glance, most likely. I like a much smaller face. Or maybe she is so short her head looks big. It is just personal taste. I can't see her body well enough to comment there.
So like me you don't have a lot of great pics to post. I don't have any pics if Bai Fern or Gaew that I took myself. I do have a few pics of Donut that I am not posting. I merely reponded to a request to show what types of girls I like. I was not trying to start a competition.
So now you know. I thought Gaew had a fantastic body only ever surpassed in Oilies by one girl at Cherry who stayed a very short time, for girls I met and fucked. Not the prettiest face ever in oilies but not far away. Most oily MP girls don't even get close to her looks. I found a new one now not far behind Gaew for looks but don't have any pics to post.
I have posted some pics of girls naked with head cut off before. But I am not Shane Hot regularly taking pics.
If you don't believe I ever had a session with the girls pictured, that is your problem, I don't care. Anyone can go into CH and see the girls I quoted and what they look like excepting Donut who has been missing for some time. Also the fabulous Nat and May Lee are long gone, but others may have met them. None of the current CH girls are a 9 for looks by any means.
Anyone could have gone to Yoremichi and checked out Bai Fern when I first posted about my session. Others did agree with about the stunning body on the Cherry Massage girl at the time. No I do not have a pic of her. I only ever got one session and her face was only an 8.
I won't be posting pics of all my girls and I really can't be bothered to go through pic processing to censor them. Most of my pics of girls I did not take myself and they arrive via LINE App. I am not an avid photographer.
Did a pickup with a girl near (not in) Thermae so we went to Ruamchit for ST room. I was surprised to see the reception stylishly remodeled from the previous drab decor. I was even more surprised to be charged B650 for the room. I was in a time-vs-money mood, so I payed rather than challenge or walk out. The room was more like a normal remodeled tourist-class hotel room than a short time room (there were sheets and blanket on the bed), so the class was well above venues such as Asoke Place (near Cowboy) or di Place (near Nana Plaza).
I should just walk over and ask, but I was wondering if there were any other experiences. Is there another class of room at Ruamchitt? What are the rates at Miami? Thanks and enjoy BKK, AsianRain.The rates at Miami for St room are lower. The rooms are not great quality but as long as do not stink I am OK. LOL. Rate starts at 300 I think but more for a larger size room.
I appreciate the effort but Gaew at Pink is not a 9 in my book. Gaew at Pink was miles hotter looking than the girl in your pic, I suspect for a lot of guys. Gaew had wonderful tits too. Not best performer ever but okay For me. Sometimes Gaew was interesting as would do unusual things, to be not too boring, like one day I fucked her from behind in standing position in front of the room mirror so we could watch the action like a porno. Probably she was just admiring herself, I don't know. However she seemed to be in a horny mood that day.
Gaew was so hot, that the first day I saw her, she was arriving at Soi 24 on a motor bike. My jaw dropped. I had to see where she was going and she went into Pink. I had already just had a fuck, so I had to come back for Gaew another day. Found her pic on a Japanese website site and fortunately when translated to English I could guess her name was Gaew. Not a 9 for you, who knows why, but a model for me. One of a very very small number of Oily girls with really great bodies. Later turned out that Nic Frenchy was also a big fan of Gaew at Pink. He agreed she was damn hot.
For performance, Gaew was never really top class GFE, but her looks made up for it. I probably sessioned at least 6 times, as she took quite a long time before she disappeared, like all the really hot girls do, mostly far quicker.
- Yes. You will either have to pay the airport tax (around 800 Baht) or the get the visa if you're leaving the airport. You will have to check this at the airport. It is easy, but might take about 20 minutes to an hour if there's a queue for visa. To make the process easier, carry some passport size photos of different sizes.
There used to be an Airport departure tax of 500 baht to pay, maybe that is not what you refer to, which has gone away (included in the ticket price these days). I don't understand Visa requirements for Indians. It varies depending on what country you come from. I am not sure if you can leave an airport, if it is not an official stop on your flight booking. If you can, it may well affect taxes to be paid. I never have stop over here without staying at least a whole day. Why would anyone want to stay just a few hours? LOL My life is never that busy.
Crazy House. I actually saw a girl I liked here but she was busy. The rest of the talent was below Windmill talent at Pattaya. Very similar looking girls to Windmill except Windmill is a dirtier club. I won't be returning to CH for some time.
I am not saying you are wrong, but can you be more specific what is wrong with the girls? Great bodies but faces not pretty enough, same as like I say, or different reasons, e. G. Small tits, too skinny, or not enough surgeries, or not looking sufficiently like western girls? Yes I know very well that a few girls are downright ugly, and show girls are horrible, but I refer moreso to the better girls.
Yes I agree the best girls get busy very quickly indeed. There are very limited numbers of really pretty ones. Best lookers will get BFed before 9.30PM typically unless they only just arrived.
Windmill is dirtier how? I presume you mean raunchy rather than uncleaned?
During daytime soi cowboy looks really quiet compared to the bars outside of nana plaza.
https://youtu.be/zISXZX99qZY
During daytime soi cowboy looks really quiet compared to the bars outside of nana plaza.
https://youtu.be/zISXZX99qZYCowboy is completely closed daytime. So why look at it daytime? Just to see the nothing? Perhaps this is not well known to all. Yes Nana Soi 4 has lots of daytime bars, "Morning Night", Stumble Inn, the Hillarys? etc. You could go there and get a daytime fuck, no problem. Cowboy does not have much at all. Massage shops and sports pubs nearby are open daytime. Love Scene restaurant is open 24 hours. These are not actually right inside the Cowboy.
I watched the start of the video and was surprised by the "hive of activity" LOL (I exaggerate). I guess it was not taken at 10AM as activity looks too high. Perhaps late afternoon?
The worst time of all to see Cowboy and Soi 23 is after the bars close. The horribly drunk girls stumbling all over the place, their Thai boys waiting with motorcycles to pick them up. Rats on piles of garbage. An incredibly ugly scene. I always try to be gone well before that if possible. I suggest to guys, don't stay there past 2AM, and don't show up till at least 8.30PM
Asian Rain
09-03-16, 08:07
I won't be posting pics of all my girls and I really can't be bothered to go through pic processing to censor them. Most of my pics of girls I did not take myself and they arrive via LINE App. I am not an avid photographer.Agree totally with Syzygies on this topic. Having gotten burned years ago where a fucking mooch came to me for contact details and then not only showed my posted pics to the girl, he had the stones to publicly post "how unhappy the girl was that I posted her pics". Not again. After that, everything I posted was airbrushed to mask identity and any requests for identifiable information were ignored.
Syzygies posts quite detailed information about working girls (working venue, name, tag number, etc.), so it is pretty easy to go see for ourselves what he is talking about. Don't agree with his assessment? Fine, go and get something yourself that fits your spec. It is rare that any two guys see the same girl the same way at the same time. If Syz started posting pics, especially naughty pics, it would be a day or two before some bottom-feeding mooch was showing a girl the pics for whatever reason (some guys want to get the same trophies, some guys are just assholes, pick your reason). And seconds after that the girls would almost certainly TALK. Of course this would not hurt the loser who "passed on" the information to the girl, but it would most certainly hurt the reputation of the guy who did the posting. Don't believe? Don't care. I have been there and done that and had it happen to me.
Years back I had a girl in Blok M Jakarta whom I took pics and video. Never posted online. However another guy had her, took pics and posted to this site. When I was in My Bar she came up from behind me angry as hell and whacked me hard. I couldn't figure for what then she mentioned pics on Internet. Had to spend the next 5 minutes assuring her it wasn't me. That was grief that I didn't need. The net-net is that even though I have pics, especially those sent via LINE, WeChat, etc. , it is generally not worth the downside. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.
Agree totally with Syzygies on this topic.
Syzygies posts quite detailed information about working girls (working venue, name, tag number, etc.), so it is pretty easy to go see for ourselves what he is talking about. Don't agree with his assessment? Fine, go and get something yourself that fits your spec.Thanks for this, and spot on. I want to maintain good relations with a girl. I don't need guys quoting my posts to the girls. Pics are dangerous. I collect a few pics for my personal memories, and not to compete on the forum for who has the best taste. I am well aware my taste is not the same as everyone.
Banana Boi
09-03-16, 11:20
I am not saying you are wrong, but can you be more specific what is wrong with the girls?
Windmill is dirtier how? I presume you mean raunchy rather than uncleaned?They aren't A class girls lookswise, face or body for my taste. I am a face guy so no I guess lack of model or very cute faces is an issue for me. I'm not saying there may not be 1-2 I may like on occasion but definitely not enough. They are what you find in many gogo bars in Pattaya, the ones I rarely attend. You really need to check out the Pattaya scene. MUCH more fun than BKK and yes most bars have girls to your specs rather than mine.
Windmill is about as raunchy as can be. Beer bottles up pussies then the guys drink from them, ice cubes up pussy then dropped in your drink, guys eating girls out on stage and their tables, girls pulling your hands to their pussies to be fingered, fingers in ass, HJ, etc etc. I think you get the picture. 1000 BF + 2000 for 2 hour ST. A recent influx of a few decent looking girls at Windmill makes it attractive to me. It has sucked there for quite some time.
I won't be posting pics of all my girls and I really can't be bothered to go through pic processing to censor them. Most of my pics of girls I did not take myself and they arrive via LINE App. I am not an avid photographer.
I agree with this unless I have consent of the girl to post a photo. I ask every girl for a photo. The only ones who have ever said no are the massage girls. 2 Thermae girls said no to photos too but then gave me their Line where they have hundreds of photos or themselves. Didn't understand that at all. Ask a top gogo girl for a photo and next thing you know they have your phone in their hands taking selfies. They know they're hot.
Gaew at Pink was miles hotter looking than the girl in your pic, I suspect for a lot of guys. Gaew had wonderful tits too. Not best performer ever but okay For me. Sometimes Gaew was interesting as would do unusual things, to be not too boring, like one day I fucked her from behind in standing position in front of the room mirror so we could watch the action like a porno. Probably she was just admiring herself, I don't know. However she seemed to be in a horny mood that day.Initially I thought you were claiming to have 100% access to the Thermae women which to me (if you're caucasian) just doesn't ring true. If you're very young and good looking maybe the options there improve and of course if you're a young Korean or Japanese you have full access to all the Thermae women. I get the impression you're Caucasian but I might be wrong and you have full access, congrats if that's the case. As I read further back in this forum I see that you realize the 5% of DDG Thermae ladies are hard to even talk to. So I was off on my critique of your statements about the Thermae, my apologies.
Now as for the soapy babe Gaew, after a closer look she is quite pretty and if that pic is accurate I would rate her face an 8. As for 9's I don't think they frequent the bars mentioned here but you did mention a 9 and so I responded to that and again, I was mistaken. You did not claim to BF a 9 you were just talking about what you would happily accept, again my apologies.
I also understand why you had a need to knock my real photo so no problem w / that either. Both the ladies we're talking about have a totally different face and body type. For me I like both and I would say in my opinion they are both 8's.
I don't need guys quoting my posts to the girls. Pics are dangerous. I collect a few pics for my personal memories, and not to compete on the forum for who has the best taste. I am well aware my taste is not the same as everyone.Competing over who has the best looking woman would be absurd and that was not my intent. I only posted a photo to graphically display my opinion and that was all it was meant to be. I took the pic. I took it for my memories and to share w / fellow BMs to prove what I am saying. She was super fine and a dud in bed, that's why I did not censor her face. I wanted to treat the guys here and I paid for the pics, she did not keep her word about our BF and so here she is.
A lot of guys (maybe not you) throw around big numbers and that's the end of it and we the BMs have to take their word for it. I am done with taking someones word for it unless I personally know what kind of taste the poster has. You are a prolific poster and sometimes give the impression that all DDG women in Thailand are easily obtainable. I think I was wrong about that but still you come off pretty cocky. When I get that impression from any poster than I want some visual proof otherwise it's hot air.
As for posting pics here and on another 4 major boards I am a prolific photo taker. Why? Because that's how I think a good job is done. Entertaining text along w / photos to back up the text. I am a tourist so I am not faced w / the possibility of being confronted by an angry BG. I understand that guys who live where they monger have to adhere to a different set rules as a precaution. No Problem w / that.
Nevertheless if I lived there I would find a way to post photos on rare occasions to back up my idea of what beautiful is. I would absolutely not post faces or leave any identifying tatts or jewelry in a photo I posted. If you look back at my posting record you will see I post every kind of sexy photo including xxx and my equipment (tool) is not that impressive. But I was taught from the very beginning of my life if it's worth doing it's worth doing well.
On occasion I go way out of my way to bring the BMs here and on other boards right into my bed. That is the most intense type of TR and that's what I do. I don't expect it from others but I do expect to trust ratings that other BMs say they enjoy. If there are no pics in their history then how am I suppose to know what they think an 8 is? All the 80 year old mongers anywhere think all women are 10's and that's because they are so grateful to have any. Good for them. But they're not really bedding 10's are they.
So that's what I am saying and w / you I did not read enough or look hard enough about what you were saying. I have already apologized for that. As a side note I see AR is posting here and I know his history on ISG and if he said he got lucky and hooked up w / a 9 I would believe it to be true. Why? Because he used to be a prolific photo poster and his taste was there for all to see and he censored his models. He did it in a way that you could easily tell they were stunning.
So in jest I suggested you post a censored photo of your conquests every 500 post so we could know what you really think is an 8, or 9 etc is. The internet pics will suffice but it is the easy way out, those pics still give an idea of what you are taking about when you throw out big numbers. So end of story. Oh, and for me an 8 is an awesome creature, if only I could enjoy 8's every time out and that they provide the intensity I grave in bed. Happy Hunting Sir. I feel like posting a few pics. This time another Pattaya gogo dancer (a nice sexy young 6) who had this exotic look w / nice big be cups. She delivered as you can see. Probably not up to some BM standards here but I don't live there and have to make do the best I can. As you can see she is not recognizable w / zero photo shop. For the BMs.
Cheers.
Hi all,
I am visiting first time Bangkok and Pattaya from 17 to 23 September. I will be very grateful to seniors over here if they can list down all the places where mongering could be easily done. Also if possible share some contacts too.
Thanks.
Now as for the soapy babe Gaew, after a closer look she is quite pretty and if that pic is accurate I would rate her face an 8. As for 9's I don't think they frequent the bars mentioned here but you did mention a 9 and so I responded to that and again, I was mistaken. If you never met the real Gaew you are not entitled to comment really. Her face was probably only an 8 but her body was mighty close to a 10. Was hard to pick any faults with the body at all. Fabulous curves, fabulous ass, and fabulous tits probably Cee cup. Overall looks mark, a 9 is reasonable.
Today I was in Survey mode. Firstly in Thermae with Banana Boi.
I had to admit to finding about five or seven girls that were quite doable (meaning pretty for me). Would have been difficult to decide which one. Of course I don't know which of them would have accepted me.
Rat my previous girl from Thermae was there. She still looked mighty cute to me. However knowing she does not kiss at all, that is a stumbling block. She still makes it into the top half dozen for looks (my taste). Banana Boi did not take a girl either. His friend did.
We then moved on to Nana Plaza. Mackin had recommended to me Twisters. 2nd floor right side. It has taken over the old Rainbow 4 bar. Rainbow 4 has moved to old Candyland bar in the back corner, but redecorated it (again). Previously Candyland was a horrible dismal failure in the spot and with the bad decoration. Candyland has moved to where Candyland 2 was located. Candyland2 was previously Hot Lips until taken over. Temptations (LB bar) is in between. Have I confused everyone yet?
Girls in Twisters wore a Coyote outfit or bikini. A small number of girls were topless and 90% of those topless had incredibly beautiful young high tits with no sag, not large but very nice shape, mostly. Some girls were excessively pretty. I think there may have been about four girls who I could rate close to a 9 out of 10, with great faces and bodies. Natty Bumpo will love this bar, I reckon. Plenty of excessively cute girls.
The level of Saiyagum (Surgeries) was low enough. Not that many nose jobs and silicones. Again I would have great difficulty choosing a girl. Several very hot looking girls for my taste. Some even had big naturals, unfortunately covered.
One girl looked like she knew how to dance, was playing up with her friend very playfully, was a tall slim model, so I called her over. Name was Naam Bpun (rhymes with fun) and means an ice shake drink. She was about 28 and one of a few girls (approx. 10) that do not go with customers (she is married to a DJ). No matter, I liked her and I did not intend to BF anyone. Most girls would have been younger. She would be able to tell me all about the place. Going for a few months. She worked there for 2 months. Bpun claimed to 177cm. More like 173 I reckon. Many guys would guess LB, but clearly was not could be easily seen despite the height. Very small waist and good curves. Tits looked nice enough.
Lady drinks are 185 Baht a bit expensive. Customer drinks are cheaper than Crazy House. BF is 1000 expensive. All or almost all girls are designated as Coyotes, even though clearly many are not, since they dress incorrectly for Coyote style and cannot dance Coyote style either. Most girls were dancing reasonably energetically, so not like the Baccara shuffle. Music had some proper songs, but was mostly disco style stuff which can hardly be called music by my generation. DJ is messing with songs too much. A Michael Jackson hit became almost unrecognisable, disco-ised.
There were two groups of girls doing 15 min sets. Dancing on two stages maybe about 30 girls at a time.
For looks the line up had variation as for all bars, but no fatties at all, and all girls were above average. No super ugly girls that I noticed. The best looking girls were really superior. So the line up shits on Crazy House (right now), and also is a cut significantly above Billboard. This is for looks and for a guy like me biased towards natural Thai looks and towards slim models, tit size not important to me. This is best gogo bar line up I have seen in recent memory, for guys not that keen on surgeries. Very different to Baccara. Most customers were Japanese, but a good number of Farangs, similar mix to Crazy House except customers looked classier. My girl Bpun commented that Japanese like it here due to girls not being typical Isaan look, e. G. Not really the dark skin flat squashed nose girls. My girl was from Nakorn Pathom (not Isaan). However I am sure most girls were from Isaan, whether it was considered a classic Isaan look or not.
It was commented that some girls here set a very high price on themselves with upper limit probably 5000 Baht. I said to Bpun, that would shock Farangs. She did not mention what the lower limit girl asking price but I suspect it may not be so good. So the main reason we did not see a lot of obviously regular Farang customers there, maybe that girls are too expensive. I don't know yet. Perhaps Banana Boi asked some girls how much? I don't know. Some girls might be worth 3 K or so due to being stunning, but there were also plenty of more average girls that would not be worth large numbers.
Clearly I will return another day to see if a very pretty girl can be obtained for a good price and give a good GFE. Otherwise my cute Billboard girl with fab GFE for a reasonable price may win out.
I can even go out to the Nana Carpark and get a very nice girl for 1500. Today met Aor in carpark, and noted to try her another day. Very cute for me. Not a 9 by any means but still looking nice. Maybe a 7 would be more realistic. Word has spread in nana Carpark, already by girls I took previously, that I am a nice guy and girls should like me.
After Twisters I went to have a look in Rainbow 4. They have downsized dramatically. This Ex Candland bar has a single stage. Maybe up to about 15 girls were dancing at one time. They were almost all clones. Light skinned adjusted surgeries looks to make them look more western. I did not like them much. Similar to Baccara style but perhaps a bit more classy looking than Baccara. No way RB4 will drag me away from Twisters. Girls looks just not in the same league for my style. RB4 had less customers and seemed very stodgy in comparison. I wonder if it will really work for them in that back corner.
Twisters bar could easily be my goto bar, provided I can find that the very pretty girls can be GFE for an acceptable price. This remains to be seen.
I also understand why you had a need to knock my real photo so no problem w / that either. Both the ladies we're talking about have a totally different face and body type. For me I like both and I would say in my opinion they are both 8's.
Yes I did knock the quality of the pic, since you started the picture knocking (even though I stated I did not even take the pics. I just had to use what was available that I could post). So your effort level for the pic was little better than mine. As for the girl, it just showed that your taste and mine is very different. I commented I could not see how good her body was. My pic of donut did give a better idea of the body. It was a selfie she took I believe (but the face is not shown - her choice). The figure looks realistic. You can see her tits are small. You can't see that they are good looking tits despite the just A cup.
Some photos I have taken don't turn out the best. That is normal, snapped in a dark room. However I prefer not to post the ones with bad lighting or other problems, if at all possible.
They aren't A class girls lookswise, face or body for my taste. I am a face guy so no I guess lack of model or very cute faces is an issue for me. I'm not saying there may not be 1-2 I may like on occasion but definitely not enough. They are what you find in many gogo bars in Pattaya, the ones I rarely attend. You really need to check out the Pattaya scene. MUCH more fun than BKK and yes most bars have girls to your specs rather than mine.
Windmill is about as raunchy as can be. Beer bottles up pussies then the guys drink from them, ice cubes up pussy then dropped in your drink, guys eating girls out on stage and their tables, girls pulling your hands to their pussies to be fingered, fingers in ass, HJ, etc etc. I think you get the picture. 1000 BF + 2000 for 2 hour ST. A recent influx of a few decent looking girls at Windmill makes it attractive to me. It has sucked there for quite some time.
Windmill might be too raunchy for me. LOL.
As for Crazy House. I don't understand why there are not plenty of A class bodies. You don't really say what is lacking. I would say 20% of girls had pretty damn good body possibly lacking large tits. Bodies good enough to be a 7 to 8 mark. It's the face looks that are well behind for me. So there we are agreed. Maybe most hot bodies are not the absolutely stunning body of Number 60, I think it was. Her body was maybe a 9. 5, but face only a 6. If you want every girl to have an A class body, that is clearly not possible and not even close to 50% have that.
I am suspecting that Crazy House girls have better bodies than the Thermae girls in general. Thermae girls try hard to hide the defects.
Anyway no matter, I think Twisters girls were far better in the face looks and very good for bodies as well. I just wish they all went topless so the tits could be properly assessed.
Banana Boi
09-03-16, 21:38
3 stops in Thermae today between gogo bars and sessions. The best time of the 3 was when I was there at 11:30 pm til midnight. Still out of all the girls I brought home my regular busty girl who I think is the hottest in Thermae right now. Some nice ones got snapped up really quick early on when I was with Syzy. Busty girl in white dress smiled at me. By the time I turned around another guy swept in and grabbed her. Snooze you lose at Thermae, literally.
Visited Twisters in Nana as Syzy mentioned. Not my type of girls. I did try and bought lady drinks for 2 girls. Combined they added up to the biggest dud I have ever bought drinks for in a gogo bar. I don't even know if the second one spoke English. She may have been a mute. BKK gogo clubs are just no fun compared to Pattaya. Since Syzy seemed to be having a great time with his girl I decided to leave for Thermae again. Good choice. 39 baht by taxi.
As for CH and any other place, I don't look at a body if I don't like the face. Since I can't get by the face I don't pay attention.
In Thailand medical attention is cheap so don't worry. All major hospitals except credit cards and have prvate rooms available.Good info dog.
I'm with you Kumbu. The prices you quote are about the same as I pay. Sure, on occasion I've payed a bit less, but generally that's what I'm paying.
Aaw come on Alex, this is just not fair. Dude, you are comparing apples to oranges. As we all know, you have game, my friend. When you, sir, enter a joint, you schmooze, you slide, you wink, and half a dozen girls swoon. Not all of us are like the charming mutherfucker you see in the mirror every morning. When I schmooze, they go home and shower because it makes them feel dirty. When I slide, they grab my elbow thinking I might fall and break my hip. When I wink, people call 911 since they think I am having a stroke. So Alex7 J I am not.
I guess I pay a premium for being a mere mortal, not being endowed with the slick charisma of a gent of your abilities. Having said all of that, I really do enjoy myself, and the price I pay is perfectly fine for me. I get quoted such prices, and often more than that. I eventually settle on the prices I stated, and those prices were obviously an estimate made upon my own experiences. But the fact that you manage so much better than me tells everyone that the market is flexible. If a monger is able to go that low, they should certainly do so. For that, I think your post is very helpful and informative.
Cheers Alex, but no thanks. I'm good.
Hi all,
I am visiting first time Bangkok and Pattaya from 17 to 23 September. I will be very grateful to seniors over here if they can list down all the places where mongering could be easily done. Also if possible share some contacts too.
Thanks.Popcorn. Check.
Glass of wine. Check.
Leather armchair. Check.
Relaxing open fireplace. Check.
Ok, I'm ready for the the fireworks! Let he games begin. Hahahaha 😀128512;.
So she's a nine or an eight or heck even a model. Why gives a rats ass, at the end of the day we all have our preferences. The opinions do serve a purpose, hopefully irrespective of your own taste, someone's nine is +\-3 so at worst she's a six and if you go to the venue she's not some 65 kg oaf. I enjoy and appreciate everyone's view on what they felt was a good or bad experience, but some of the back and forth on marks seems petty. And for the record, I love kumbu's stories, how real I don't know but anyone who puts that much effort to describe his wandering a gets a thumbs up from me.
As for CH and any other place, I don't look at a body if I don't like the face. Since I can't get by the face I don't pay attention.That makes sense now. I agree the faces are not good enough. I can still aopreciate the bodies, but I don't buy if the face is not good enough.
Banana Boi's girl in Thermae was one that appealed to me despite implants. Cute face. BB assures me that they are nice and soft. However he warned me that the girl was extremely tight and not much stamina. Likely she does not take Farangs. Maybe he just did not me to wear her out so she could not work. LOL.
In Twisters some of the faces were real nice for me in addition to the bodies. I will return for sure. I guess BB won't be. Twisters can be worth a look if you just want to see some lookers and not BF. Guys could always get a cheap girl in the Nana Carpark afterwards too save money. I manged to choose a fun girl at Twisters. I could see she was fun type when she was dancing on the stage. She could speak English too however we conversed in Thai mostly. Probably was the tallest girl in the place. She had highheels but relatively low ones.
And for the record, I love kumbu's stories, how real I don't know but anyone who puts that much effort to describe his wandering a gets a thumbs up from me.Whatever turns you on.
You like eloquent stories, I seek data on places maybe worth a try. Different guys like different things. Some just want to dump shit. Some only have negative posts and never specify anything they really like. Some guys almost confine themselves to the Annies thread (and not in a good way). Some guys should be only in the places to avoid thread.
We will never understand why the different preferences are so different. Lets hope guys consider if the post provides any info that could be useful to others.
Uncle Volodya
09-04-16, 07:06
Been hanging with BB the last month. Great guy and very good taste when it comes to girls. Only top shelf for him. 555.
I would trust his judgement on most things and he knows what he is doing. Especially in Pattaya, where he has the city wired.
His busty BB girl is indeed the hottest girl at Thermae. But I don't think she will go with non-asians. She would not even look at me. And as you all know I am the handsomest of hansumm men. 555.
I've busy juggling girls that I have not had much time to post. But back in Moscow now so will have a bit more time to weight in.
PS: On Oskar. A nice place and great food and drinks. Girls not so much. Mostly older and some downright fuggly. Yes you can find a cute girl there but she is likely to be on the other side of 30. My 23 year old, regular, freebie shop girl that I picked up this trip, hates the place and was startled by my suggestion that we meet there for a drink.
Member #4591
09-04-16, 08:42
Hi all,
I am visiting first time Bangkok and Pattaya from 17 to 23 September. I will be very grateful to seniors over here if they can list down all the places where mongering could be easily done. Also if possible share some contacts too.
Thanks. Well Mr. Senior memeber with 30 posts, lets see. Hmm there is this really cool place in Thailand, its called Pattaya. The whole city is full of bars, discos, beer bars, massage shops, soapies, Go go's amd so forth. But becareful and don't blink or you'll miss it. Bangkok however is a little tough. If you are a western fan then go check out the rodeo, there's a street where cowboys like to hang out with lots of horses and birds if you like nature, there's even a place to buy guns and you can meet the famous Suzie Wong there.
If you get homesick, you can go visit your Nana, but please becareful of the giants. They are dangerous. They will steal your money at a moments notice. They are tricky little sons of bitches too, they can shape shift. One moment you will see a beautiful lady and the next, your left with your pants down around your ankles getting a BJ from the boy next door.
If you Miss your ex girlfriends, Bangkok has something to help you with that too. You can visit Tulip, Mango, and Annie. These girls are full of wonderful magic. They can morf into an exact replica of anyone lady. For example, Tulip specializes in that crazy girlfriend whose willing to try anything. Mango is almost the same but she never goes outside without a raincoat. Annie likes to play in the tub with rubber duckies and sometimes can go outside and play. Oh, I almost forgot about Snow White. She's a very bad girl. She will try anything new, forget it the next day, and try it again tomorrow.
If you need a break amd need to get back to your religous roots, you can go study the bible at Eden. Funny place this is though, the nuns only work in pairs. One likes to help you with all your needs while the other watches and plays on her phone.
Oh, I'm sorry, I must cut my story short. I am feeling horny so I must read the forum to find out where to go in Thailand. Shall I look in the Bangkok thread, Annies thread, massage thread, Pattaya thread, or hell I may even get crazy and search the user blogs on how to find a girl on the street or on the internet. My apt is also under renovation so I may even check out the hotel threads to see the best place for me and my little bird to settle in.
One last thing I forgot. Can I loan you my phone? You can just call any lady you like.
His busty BB girl is indeed the hottest girl at Thermae. But I don't think she will go with non-asians. She would not even look at me. And as you all know I am the handsomest of hansumm men. 555.
Indeed you are. Makes me feel better now that she had no interest in me at all. Very cute indeed but perhaps not my first choice. I prefer totally natural girls, a bit more difficult to find. Quite a few pretty options in their last night. Some were same girls I saw previously. I guess it does not take too many visits to have seen nearly all the top looking girls.
What percentage of girls in Thermae would say reject you as a Handsome relatively young Farang? It can only be worse for me, unless I deliberately choose girls that I suspect are not Japanese choice.
The prettiest girl in the place has a stunning face big eyes (maybe special contacts), but a little thick around thighs I think. Still she takes about 10 minutes to get a customer. So she gets taken much faster than BB's girl. She sits directly opposite side from BB's busty girl. I wonder if she will take me if I approach her. Not very likely perhaps. She could easily be making a fortune by a series of quickie sessions. I am thinking she could easily do 4 sessions per night and pull in 10K baht by keeping the sessions to well under an hour, each. She could well be making north of 200K Baht per month, despite her body possibly not being perfect. Angel face could do it.
Uncle Volodya
09-04-16, 09:04
Indeed you are. Makes me feel better now that she had no interest in me at all. Very cute indeed but perhaps not my first choice. I prefer totally natural girls, a bit more difficult to find. Quite a few pretty options in their last night. Some were same girls I saw previously. I guess it does not take too many visits to have seen nearly all the top looking girls.
What percentage of girls in Thermae would say reject you as a Handsome relatively young Farang? It can only be worse for me, unless I deliberately choose girls that I suspect are not Japanese choice.
The prettiest girl in the place has a stunning face big eyes (maybe special contacts), but a little thick around thighs I think. Still she takes about 10 minutes to get a customer. So she gets taken much faster than BB's girl. I wonder if she will take me if I approach her. Not very likely perhaps. She could easily be making a fortune by a series of quickie sessions.Oh tons reject me.
I get so many cold looks walking by the left side of the club that it feels like Siberia in January. 555.
Just need to persevere and take the lumps on the ego and you'll be fine. Not so much about looks but about ethnicity and age with them.
You are a fit and hansuum man your self. I hope I look half as good when I am your age.
RE: the prettiest girl. Does she hang out along the wall opposite the entrance (the one farthest form Sukhumvit and close to stairwell that leads to bathrooms)? Short, and light brown hair? Is she is good friends with BB's regular girl? PM me your email/line and I can send you a pic if you think this this is the girl.
Wolvenvacht
09-04-16, 09:07
Well Mr. Senior member with 30 posts, lets see.
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One last thing I forgot. Can I loan you my phone? You can just call any lady you like.
Popcorn. Check.
( . . . )
Ok, I'm ready for the the fireworks! Let he games begin. Hahahaha 😀128512;.
We need more of these posts!
Oh tons reject me.
I get so many cold looks walking by the left side of the club that it feels like Siberia in January. 555.
Just need to persevere and take the lumps on the ego and you'll be fine. Not so much about looks but about ethnicity and age with them.
RE: the prettiest girl. Does she hang out along the wall opposite the entrance (the one farthest form Sukhumvit and close to stairwell that leads to bathrooms)? Short, and light brown hair? Is she is good friends with BB's regular girl? PM me your email/line and I can send you a pic if you think this this is the girl.Is there a special hint there about girls on the left side being more difficult? I admit my girl that was happy to take Farang came from the other side.
The prettiest girl, not just my opinion, but from watching how fast she was taken was a little less than half way down the right side. She was taller than average, usually sitting with handbag on her lap (possibly hiding that below the waist was not her best aspect). Top of her head always seemed a few inches higher than the surrounding girls. Still she was O.K. when standing up, just a little thicker than my skinny preference.
We need more of these posts!BKK Dog does a pretty good job already. The odd one is good. It was one of the more amusing examples. However, I am not sure we want to be overly swamped by satirical posts, even if the points are well made. Some other posters use Satire in the most un imaginative unskilled way. In short, they are not always funny. This one was significantly better. I wish we still had the subtle humour of Nic Frenchy as well. He had a special skill to be see Thailand in a very amusing viewpoint.
And for the record, I love kumbu's stories, how real I don't know but anyone who puts that much effort to describe his wandering a gets a thumbs up from me.Thank you sir, I appreciate you saying so. And for the record. . . 100% real. I don't bullshit because I use my own posts as a record yeas later to remind myself of what happened. It helps when I return to BKK. So if I bullshit, I am fooling myself in the future, if that makes sense.
I wish we still had the subtle humour of Nic Frenchy as well. Ah yes, Nic Frenchy, now THERE was a man I admire. His absence is most noticeable.
Yes you will get in.
Us it worth it. For me no.
If you speak Thai or Jap then it may be a diff experience.
Girls are great looking but can get very expensive.
Anyone have an update on Thaniya Road gogo bars? Are they good?
If a Farang goes with a Japanese guy will he get in?
Uncle Volodya
09-04-16, 12:01
Is there a special hint there about girls on the left side being more difficult? I admit my girl that was happy to take Farang came from the other side.
The prettiest girl, not just my opinion, but from watching how fast she was taken was a little less than half way down the right side. She was taller than average, usually sitting with handbag on her lap (possibly hiding that below the waist was not her best aspect). Top of her head always seemed a few inches higher than the surrounding girls. Still she was O.K. when standing up, just a little thicker than my skinny preference.I think the younger, better looking girls are on the left side. They are in higher demand, so I guess they can be more picky.
Can't say I remember your girl from the right side. But there are also some gems there as well. But a lot more older less attractive girls too than on the left.
Maybe BB will remember. He has a better memory for this kind of stuff.
Uncle Volodya
09-04-16, 12:02
Thank you sir, I appreciate you saying so. And for the record. . . 100% real. I don't bullshit because I use my own posts as a record yeas later to remind myself of what happened. It helps when I return to BKK. So if I bullshit, I am fooling myself in the future, if that makes sense.The kind of adventures you have simply cannot be made up!
LOVE your posts and lookign forward to reading more about more of your leg munching fun in the future.
I don't get the fascination with Thermae. If a large number of girls are not open to non-East Asians then surely it would be better if we all withdrew our custom entirely (as I did years ago) and take our custom to places that appreciate it. You're totally losing face in front of the Japanese / Korean guys and they're laughing at you. Where's your sense of pride and self-respect? There are plenty of other places to get freelancers just as good as those who accept you in Thermae without feeling you're picking up the dregs not good enough for a 'superior' racial group.
Asian Rain
09-04-16, 12:24
I think the younger, better looking girls are on the left side. They are in higher demand, so I guess they can be more picky.In my experience, the better looking girls have always been on the left side, particularly they used to congregate around the jukebox. I think the reason for this is simple traffic flow. As mongers tend to enter the front entrance, they will usually be "guided" by staff to buy a drink at that side corner. Once drink in hand, the visitor traffic flow tends to be a clockwise circuit starting from the bar. So the "lineup" has always seemed start there on the left side. If I was looking for customer, that is where I would perch myself. The other spot the girls tend to congregate is around the back exit, where they hope to make contact with guys going out for toilet breaks. I find the girls with the least interest in farang guys to be in that vicinity, but that may be my impression. YMMV. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.
Asian Rain
09-04-16, 12:38
I don't get the fascination with Thermae. If a large number of girls are not open to non-East Asians then surely it would be better if we all withdrew our custom entirely (as I did years ago) and take our custom to places that appreciate it.Or it could work the other way. We have a new generation of generation of clients and new generation of girls. I think it would be interesting if a group of us farang started frequenting the bar, occupying the back tables the same way that the Japanese guys did 10 years ago. Buy a few drinks. Take a few girls out. Treat them fairly but firmly. If the girls saw farang as a more "known quantity", they would change their perceptions and actions sooner than you think. 15 years ago Thermae girls would tell me that they don't like to go with the Japanese guys. Why? Because of poor communication and "unknown factor". Now that has all changed and farang are the unknown. We could change that. Of course this would take some effort, some solidarity and some reasonable expectation, which unfortunately are traits that most farang do not broadly display. But I believe it could be done. Every retreat you make is a victory for your opponent. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.
Uncle Volodya
09-04-16, 12:52
I don't get the fascination with Thermae. If a large number of girls are not open to non-East Asians then surely it would be better if we all withdrew our custom entirely (as I did years ago) and take our custom to places that appreciate it. You're totally losing face in front of the Japanese / Korean guys and they're laughing at you. Where's your sense of pride and self-respect? There are plenty of other places to get freelancers just as good as those who accept you in Thermae without feeling you're picking up the dregs not good enough for a 'superior' racial group.I don't come to Thermae to impress some random Japanese guy but to get some nice lookign girls and fuck their brains out. And Thermae has some good ones on offer.
I am confident enough in my own else of self worth that I could give a fuck less what some Japanese or Korean guy thinks. And I know that in many other places it will be me that has the upper hand in terms of girl's preference of customer / hookup.
In any case, I doubt very much that this is what the Asian guys are thinking of me. Maybe they are impressed that I have the balls to walk in one of "their" venues and pick up a hottie -- many times right up form under them.
Uncle Volodya
09-04-16, 12:55
In my experience, the better looking girls have always been on the left side, particularly they used to congregate around the jukebox. I think the reason for this is simple traffic flow. As mongers tend to enter the front entrance, they will usually be "guided" by staff to buy a drink at that side corner. Once drink in hand, the visitor traffic flow tends to be a clockwise circuit starting from the bar. So the "lineup" has always seemed start there on the left side. If I was looking for customer, that is where I would perch myself. The other spot the girls tend to congregate is around the back exit, where they hope to make contact with guys going out for toilet breaks. I find the girls with the least interest in farang guys to be in that vicinity, but that may be my impression. YMMV. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.Yes its the unforgiving "L" starting from the lefts side and up against the back wall.
Still I have had receptive girls from there too and even took a girl that always hangs out along the back wall (and that is apparently one of the most popular girls there).
Banana Boi
09-04-16, 13:00
I'm still amazed all you guys liked my girl so much, even my buddy in Thailand for the first time. She's a bit standoffish with me as well in the club but when she gets comfortable with you she can be wonderful. Tits are harder than they were before. She may have gotten them redone.
Left wall in general the youngest and the back wall not much older. Right side of club and front older but still some younger gems in there. Middle section is a write off with the old ladies.
Thanks for the great times this past month, Uncle V. I'm sure the two of us have made it very memorable for our girls as well. It was certainly a blast!
In any case, I doubt very much that this is what the Asian guys are thinking of me. Maybe they are impressed that I have the balls to walk in one of "their" venues and pick up a hottie -- many times right up form under them.Part of the entertainment value of Thermae for Asian guys is the struggling white guy getting rejected by a girl who is all over every passing Japanese guy. Having 'balls' isn't as culturally significant for the Japanese as it is for westerners. Losing face is much more significant and your struggles and rejections over girls who are easy picking for them is a definite loss of face and they love seeing it.
Or it could work the other way. We have a new generation of generation of clients and new generation of girls. I think it would be interesting if a group of us farang started frequenting the bar, occupying the back tables the same way that the Japanese guys did 10 years ago. Buy a few drinks. Take a few girls out. Treat them fairly but firmly. If the girls saw farang as a more "known quantity", they would change their perceptions and actions sooner than you think. 15 years ago Thermae girls would tell me that they don't like to go with the Japanese guys. Why? Because of poor communication and "unknown factor". Now that has all changed and farang are the unknown. We could change that. Of course this would take some effort, some solidarity and some reasonable expectation, which unfortunately are traits that most farang do not broadly display. But I believe it could be done. Every retreat you make is a victory for your opponent. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.It's a nice idea but in reality it's not going to happen. There are some girls who dream of a western guy taking them back to their country or sponsoring them and these can be found in discos where Japanese guys would struggle to get a top girl. There are other girls who sees themselves for whatever reason as for East Asians only and they consider Thermae as the place to be. Give it to them. If you're looking for victory the best way to get it would be if Thermae closed down or had another relaunch which I think it would if farangs stopped visiting it. Asian guys don't seem to spend much on drinks and as there's no bar fine I can't see it would make much of a profit as an Asians only place.
Asian Rain
09-04-16, 13:34
Losing face is much more significant and your struggles and rejections over girls who are easy picking for them is a definite loss of face and they love seeing it.Mongering is like golf, you need to play your game solo, even if you are in a group or in a tournament. If you are fretting about what the other players are saying, thinking or doing, it will only distract from your performance. So what does a Japanese think when EihTooms, Syzygies, Banana Boi, etc. Take out one of the same girls they might take out? Hmmm. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.
If you're looking for victory the best way to get it would be if Thermae closed down or had another relaunch which I think it would if farangs stopped visiting it.I don't see it quite that way. Since EihTooms reported that Thermae was "back" some weeks ago, at least 3 other members have reported that they have "pulled and poked" solid talent from this venue. If farangs stopped visiting, I don't think that anybody would take any notice except to concentrate more on the remaining Asian clientele. Farangs just don't matter as much as they used to. Best to accept that fact and optimize from there. Just my view. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.
Mongering is like golf, you need to play your game solo, even if you are in a group or in a tournament. If you are fretting about what the other players are saying, thinking or doing, it will only distract from your performance. So what does a Japanese think when EihTooms, Syzygies, Banana Boi, etc. Take out one of the same girls they might take out? Hmmm. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.They probably think it's hilarious that white men who have been rejected by the top girls are now scraping the bottom of the barrel with the leftovers.
I don't see it quite that way. Since EihTooms reported that Thermae was "back" some weeks ago, at least 3 other members have reported that they have "pulled and poked" solid talent from this venue. If farangs stopped visiting, I don't think that anybody would take any notice except to concentrate more on the remaining Asian clientele. Farangs just don't matter as much as they used to. Best to accept that fact and optimize from there. Just my view. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.Farangs are at least half the available customers in terms of people who are in the area and would consider going in if the set-up was right, so it doesn't make any business sense to antagonise half your potential customers. If they saw that farangs were staying away they'd do more to attract them. Personally, I see no reason to go in and humiliate myself by getting rejections and picking up the leftovers while there are so many better venues in the area. Better to help those venues grow than patronise a bar where you're treated as second class.
Uncle Volodya
09-04-16, 14:30
Part of the entertainment value of Thermae for Asian guys is the struggling white guy getting rejected by a girl who is all over every passing Japanese guy. Having 'balls' isn't as culturally significant for the Japanese as it is for westerners. Losing face is much more significant and your struggles and rejections over girls who are easy picking for them is a definite loss of face and they love seeing it.I find your Orientalist reading of the scene at Thermae pretty amusing.
I am pretty sure that the East Asian guys are, like the rest of us, primarily there to get laid.
If you don't think courage, daring, or "balls" are insignificant in Japanese culture how do you explain the samurai, Bushido or the kamikaze? One of the seven integral virtues of Bushido is "Yuuki", which can be translated as "bravery of spirit".
And white guys are not the only one s getting rejected. I'v seen plenty of East Asian guys get rejected by the top girls too.
I find your Orientalist reading of the scene at Thermae pretty amusing.
I am pretty sure that the East Asian guys are, like the rest of us, primarily there to get laid.
If you don't think courage, daring, or "balls" are insignificant in Japanese culture how do you explain the samurai, Bushido or the kamikaze? One of the seven integral virtues of Bushido is "Yuuki", which can be translated as "bravery of spirit".
And white guys are not the only one s getting rejected. I'v seen plenty of East Asian guys get rejected by the top girls too.Bravery isn't the same as 'balls'. It doesn't take bravery to wonder round a bar getting rejected by girls. No one is going to see you as some modern day samurai if you do that. No doubt they'll have a good chuckle at you for trying though.
Uncle Volodya
09-04-16, 14:52
No one is going to see you as some modern day samurai if you do that. No doubt they'll have a good chuckle at you for trying though.I never said they would.
And I don't think anyone is sitting in a corner getting off on watching me get rejected either.
In any case if they are and I want to indulge them by going to Thermae and picking up girls then that's my fucking business. Isn't it? Why are you so worried about it in the first place?
If you have some paranoia about Asians then it is best that you stay away.
They probably think it's hilarious that white men who have been rejected by the top girls are now scraping the bottom of the barrel with the leftovers.
Farangs are at least half the available customers in terms of people who are in the area and would consider going in if the set-up was right, so it doesn't make any business sense to antagonise half your potential customers. If they saw that farangs were staying away they'd do more to attract them. Personally, I see no reason to go in and humiliate myself by getting rejections and picking up the leftovers while there are so many better venues in the area. Better to help those venues grow than patronise a bar where you're treated as second class.Thermae has not been worth it to me since the invasion of the East Asians after the closing of their "Thermae" on Petchaburi road. Before then it was actually a fun bar. Gals would grab your junk and ask to go with you, most were drinking and partying, and always gals dancing by the jukebox. Now it's boring with the dudes just running laps around the place with very little interaction. Of course again, back in the day every gal was happy with 1 K (25 USD) at the time. And service was pretty good. Pulled over 100 gals from there between 99 and 06. Bet I have pulled one or two in the last 10 years. My experience is that the best looking gals won't go with the white man. It's forbidden. If their friends or the East Asians see them going with the white man they are done. Had a friend here back in about '10, young good looking dude, who would take one of the better looking gals out of there on occasion. She would not be seen leaving with him and would meet him about 50 mrts up the street.
Uncle Volodya
09-04-16, 14:55
Thermae has not been worth it to me since the invasion of the East Asians after the closing of their "Thermae" on Petchaburi road. Before then it was actually a fun bar. Gals would grab your junk and ask to go with you, most were drinking and partying, and always gals dancing by the jukebox. Now it's boring with the dudes just running laps around the place with very little interaction. Of course again, back in the day every gal was happy with 1 K (25 USD) at the time. And service was pretty good.I have to admit it does get pretty boring. Not a lot of interaction with the girls before you leave with them.
Bravery isn't the same as 'balls'. It doesn't take bravery to wonder round a bar getting rejected by girls. No one is going to see you as some modern day samurai if you do that. No doubt they'll have a good chuckle at you for trying though.I agree with you. If your at place that makes you have low confidence level, just go somewhere else. For all of us it's just one of venue.
If you don't think courage, daring, or "balls" are insignificant in Japanese culture how do you explain the samurai, Bushido or the kamikaze? One of the seven integral virtues of Bushido is "Yuuki", which can be translated as "bravery of spirIt.Bushido? Samarai kamikazi? Don't know about that, but most of the Japanese there look like Toyota assembly line workers to me. Yukki. You actually have the delusion that shooting Thermae fish in a barrel takes some kind daring courage balls?
I don't come to Thermae to impress some random Japanese guy but to get some nice lookign girls and fuck their brains out. And Thermae has some good ones on offer.
I am confident enough in my own else of self worth that I could give a fuck less what some Japanese or Korean guy thinks. And I know that in many other places it will be me that has the upper hand in terms of girl's preference of customer / hookup.
In any case, I doubt very much that this is what the Asian guys are thinking of me. Maybe they are impressed that I have the balls to walk in one of "their" venues and pick up a hottie -- many times right up form under them.I am with you on this, UV. Who gives a damn about a Japanese or Korean dude. They don't like us and don't want us to fuck their girls anyway. Thermae has definitely eye candy on offer, and I was at times successful in picking up some of that eye candy, at a resonable cost. The rest does not matter, like pride and self respect. These words tend to be abused and it becomes just bull crap.
...One last thing I forgot. Can I loan you my phone? You can just call any lady you like.Oh that was so funny! Thanks for the good laugh, a nice way to start my Sunday, here in the US. However, in all that sarcasm, you provide good intel, right on buddy!
Uncle Volodya
09-04-16, 18:15
You actually have the delusion that shooting Thermae fish in a barrel takes some kind daring courage balls?Jesus H Christ! No I don't. Some of you guys could seriously use a reading comprehension class.
But I do like your comment on "Toyota Assembly line workers" that was funny.
Well Mr. Senior memeber with 30 posts, lets see. Hmm there is this really cool place in Thailand, its called Pattaya. The whole city is full of bars, discos, beer bars, massage shops, soapies, Go go's amd so forth. But becareful and don't blink or you'll miss it. Bangkok however is a little tough. If you are a western fan then go check out the rodeo, there's a street where cowboys like to hang out with lots of horses and birds if you like nature, there's even a place to buy guns and you can meet the famous Suzie Wong there.
If you get homesick, you can go visit your Nana, but please becareful of the giants. They are dangerous. They will steal your money at a moments notice. They are tricky little sons of bitches too, they can shape shift. One moment you will see a beautiful lady and the next, your left with your pants down around your ankles getting a BJ from the boy next door..This shit is real. Spot on info LOL.
I think this Rejection thing is getting over analysed. Plenty of guys have to deal with being rejected by some place or girl on a regular basis. Why be pissed off or have any reaction to it at all. You just move on to the next girl, and think nothing more. There is not point in allowing it to affect you too much. If it is wasting your time too much, you move on to a better venue. Do I really care what others in the Thermae think if I get a rejection. No way.
I remember the Thermae of 25 years ago. It was humming at 2 am when other places had closed. Girls used to reject plenty of guys. I don't know if they did not like the price offered or did not like the guy. Not my problem. I was doing just fine (35 years old at the time). Perhaps in those days girls were looking for a bit of fun, not just the money, and going for the whole night was the normal thing. I recall taking a hot girl with fabulous wide slung tits 3 or 4 nights running, she was so GFE. I only stopped, due to her having enough money to head off back to Phitsanulok with her girlfriend, also very pretty.
Bravery isn't the same as 'balls'. It doesn't take bravery to wonder round a bar getting rejected by girls. No one is going to see you as some modern day samurai if you do that. No doubt they'll have a good chuckle at you for trying though.Boy, this got tetchy fast.
I think the point being made by Wh-man, while not done in the most diplomatic way, is actually worth considering. It was framed (incorrectly, in my opinion) as an issue of pride, and being laughed at, or something to that effect. But the way I understood it, the argument was something like this: why go to Thermae when you might be better suited to other places? If you have a higher likelihood of success at, say Climaxx, why do you insist on butting your head against the wall in Thermae? If that's the point, I can get on board with that discussion (though I think it's impossible to have any kind of fact-based discussion about this, it would all be conjecture). So Wh-man, where do you recommend a farang monger go for a better experience than Thermae? I think I know the answer, but perhaps you have something new to add to the reams of descriptions in this thread.
But that question was muddied by the framing of this in terms of pride and being laughed at. If the question is why do you go to Thermae when people are laughing at you (because you are being rejected), my reaction is, "yeah, so? ". Strangers laughing at me? Puh-leaze. I've had way worse done to me.
Uncle V's digression into Japanese samurai philosophy, while entertaining, was understood completely incorrectly (he was not bragging or claiming any kind of bravado, as I understood it). He was simply rebutting the claim that Japanese men only care about face-saving (clearly an incorrect over-simplification). Ultimately for me, though, it does not matter what philosophy any other monger has: it's not about the other men in the joint, it's about the women.
So, the two questions need an answer:
1. Why do you go to Thermae when Asian men are laughing at you?
2. Why do you go to Thermae when you could find greater success elsewhere?
The answer to both these questions is actually quite simple: because it feels good. People enjoy going to Thermae because they get something out of it. I don't find it particularly constructive to rip them down for doing so. I find the discussion around Thermae actually very interesting. For years it had died away, and now it seems to be reviving itself, and as far as I can tell, that's a good thing for me. It gives me another venue to find pretty girls who will do the nasty with me. If some odd Japanese dude is laughing his head off at me, good. I'm glad I gave him amusement on my way to tongue-fucking a pretty young lady.
So from my humble vantage point, I request more discussion of Thermae (and any other venues that are grooving right now). Entertain me, inform me, and perhaps inadvertently, give an Asian dude a hernia from all that laughing.
Boy, this got tetchy fast.
I think the point being made by Wh-man, while not done in the most diplomatic way, is actually worth considering. It was framed (incorrectly, in my opinion) as an issue of pride, and being laughed at, or something to that effect. But the way I understood it, the argument was something like this: why go to Thermae when you might be better suited to other places? If you have a higher likelihood of success at, say Climaxx, why do you insist on butting your head against the wall in Thermae? If that's the point, I can get on board with that discussion (though I think it's impossible to have any kind of fact-based discussion about this, it would all be conjecture). So Wh-man, where do you recommend a farang monger go for a better experience than Thermae? I think I know the answer, but perhaps you have something new to add to the reams of descriptions in this thread.
But that question was muddied by the framing of this in terms of pride and being laughed at. If the question is why do you go to Thermae when people are laughing at you (because you are being rejected), my reaction is, "yeah, so? "..This is why I like you Kumbu. You simply put intelligent way of extracting post and giving your thoughts. I remember reading your previous post to Alex that you are regular mortal but I think all the girls will be all over you with your skills of communication.
RahulMangla2009
09-04-16, 23:40
Hi all,
I will arrive in BKK airport by around 1 am. Passport control etc. +taxi to s hotel in Sukhumvit might take another 2 hours. Is Climax or Mixx open at say around 3:30 am on a Monday night / Tuesday morning (with girls of course)? Any other option you will suggest at that hour in the morning?
DR Monger II
09-05-16, 01:17
I have a question about Thermae bar. Is there a place to sit in this bar? It seems very crowded? Are the girls into Chinese men? Is there something wrong with Chinese men also? Why are they only into Japanese men? Are they much easier lays?
Member #4591
09-05-16, 02:21
I have a question about Thermae bar. Is there a place to sit in this bar? It seems very crowded? Are the girls into Chinese men? Is there something wrong with Chinese men also? Why are they only into Japanese men? Are they much easier lays?Don't get scared by all this scare mongering. If you have money in Thermae, you can get who and what you want.
If it is busy there will be no seats. Along the outside there are booths. In the middle there are many seats along the inside and outside of a partician like bar, and at the back, there are some tables and chairs. This place however, is not the place to sit for hours and drink. You go in, have a couple of beers, choose your lady, and out.
Being Chinese is no problem too.
I popped into Twisters in Nana Plaza this past Saturday night with a friend. I immediately noticed many of the better looking girls were wearing tights / pantyhose, which typically means they are not available for barfine or take outs. This was confirmed by the mamasan, but most newbies and any punters intent on taking a girl for the evening not asking the girl about it upfront would likely waste time and money buying Ladydrinks before getting the bad news.
I hate to see this trend, more prevelent on Soi Cowboy, growing in Nana Plaza. If it is just 1 or 2 girls out of a couple of dozen, that might be ok. But this was way more than that. Neither of us wanting to condone and reward this Nana Plaza go-go bar for pulling that kind of scam, we paid our tabs for just one wasted drink and left.
If it is busy there will be no seats. Along the outside there are booths. In the middle there are many seats along the inside and outside of a partician like bar.What's a 'partician like bar?
The bar at Thermae is designed for socializing: no matter where you sit, its almost impossible to avoid eye or elbow contact with someone else sitting at the bar.
Member #4591
09-05-16, 04:11
I popped into Twisters in Nana Plaza this past Saturday night with a friend. I immediately noticed many of the better looking girls were wearing tights / pantyhose, which typically means they are not available for barfine or take outs. This was confirmed by the mamasan, but most newbies and any punters intent on taking a girl for the evening not asking the girl about it upfront would likely waste time and money buying Ladydrinks before getting the bad news.
I hate to see this trend, more prevelent on Soi Cowboy, growing in Nana Plaza. If it is just 1 or 2 girls out of a couple of dozen, that might be ok. But this was way more than that. Neither of us wanting to condone and reward this Nana Plaza go-go bar for pulling that kind of scam, we paid our tabs for just one wasted drink and left.I disagree. If the right punter and offer came around, it would be a done deal but a scam its not. Is there a sign at Nana and Soi Cowboy that says every girl working there is avalable for full service? I think not. WE punters have got it in our minds that this is true.
Member #4591
09-05-16, 04:36
These last few weeks I been trying out a new concept and it has been so far working great. I will pick a stunner from We Chat, a Thai sideline web site, or a Go Go bar and procure her serivces from about 4:00PM-noon the next day. We go for dinner, drinks, movie, bar hop, and then back to the hotel for 2-4 pops before she goes. Mostly uncovereed full on GFE action takes place with CIM as well. The girls have given great GFE encounters with amazing millege. I love Thaialnd! I would suggest you all give this a try if you enjoy dating without being tied down to one girl, and of course they should all be 9's and 10's.
The girl-10,000 Baht
Dinner- 1,500 Baht
Bottle service-2,500
Movie 600-Baht
Hotel=3,000Baht
Total = 17,600 Baht
This concept is similar in cost to a night out at a G club and taking your G club sweetie back to your place after.
The next one is happening next week so if any senior would like to bring their cutee along with us for the disco part of the evening, please send me a PM.
The next one is happening next week so if any senior would like to bring their cutee along with us for the disco part of the evening, please send me a PM.The entertainment continues.
Asian Rain
09-05-16, 06:14
Total = 17,600 BahtWould it be more accurate to say it was a 17.6 k date? Thanks for reporting on a different approach. There are clearly a few premium escort model-class girls working on WeChat that seem to be funding their lifestyle as call girls (you can see the pics from trips to expensive restaurants, shopping sprees, visits to resorts/foreign countries in their profiles). They seem to also be experienced enough to execute such an interaction. I would dub this a "build your own premium escort" approach, which might appeal to some of the guys who would want another option from escort sites. So far most of these better class WeChat girls have quoted me 3-6k for short time (because that is the service that I have asked about) and immediately ask my hotel, so they would be servicing the visiting businessman as their normal gig. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.
Uncle Volodya
09-05-16, 06:17
Don't get scared by all this scare mongering. If you have money in Thermae, you can get who and what you want.
Being Chinese is no problem too.Being Asian you will help your pick of the hottest girls. And no one will laugh at you like they do at me, the witless, lumbering, gaijin who is losing face. 555.
Get your ass to Thermae ASAP! 555.
Uncle Volodya
09-05-16, 06:19
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Uncle V's digression into Japanese samurai philosophy, while entertaining, was understood completely incorrectly (he was not bragging or claiming any kind of bravado, as I understood it). He was simply rebutting the claim that Japanese men only care about face-saving (clearly an incorrect over-simplification). Ultimately for me, though, it does not matter what philosophy any other monger has: it's not about the other men in the joint, it's about the women.
Thanks Kumbu for restoring my faith in the intellectual abilities of the members of this board.
Uncle Volodya
09-05-16, 06:23
These last few weeks I been trying out a new concept and it has been so far working great. I will pick a stunner from We Chat, a Thai sideline web site, or a Go Go bar and procure her serivces from about 4:00PM-noon the next day. We go for dinner, drinks, movie, bar hop, and then back to the hotel for 2-4 pops before she goes. Mostly uncovereed full on GFE action takes place with CIM as well. The girls have given great GFE encounters with amazing millege. I love Thaialnd! I would suggest you all give this a try if you enjoy dating without being tied down to one girl, and of course they should all be 9's and 10's.
The girl-10,000 Baht
Dinner- 1,500 Baht
Bottle service-2,500
Movie 600-Baht
Hotel=3,000Baht
Total = 17,600 Baht
This concept is similar in cost to a night out at a G club and taking your G club sweetie back to your place after.
The next one is happening next week so if any senior would like to bring their cutee along with us for the disco part of the evening, please send me a PM.Good stuff. But you forgot to account for the 2-3 K baht you will throw around on tips to convince her you are a "jai dee" man.
Robert Long
09-05-16, 06:43
Good stuff. But you forgot to account for the 2-3 K baht you will throw around on tips to convince her you are a "jai dee" man.Your a high roller dude. That's over $500.00 US. I am humbled at your ability to throw that much on a date.
RL.
Uncle Volodya
09-05-16, 06:49
Your a high roller dude. That's over $500.00 US. I am humbled at your ability to throw that much on a date.
RL.555. I was assuming BKK dog was being facetious. At least I was.
Banana Boi
09-05-16, 06:57
Girls will work where they have a preference to a certain type of man.
In Pattaya, girls with an Asian preference will work at gogo bars like Sensations, Baccara, Happy, etc. Those who don't mind Farang will work at clubs like Sapphire and most of the LK Metro clubs. There are places that imo girls select a Farang over an Asian. Soi 6 is sort of like this. Places like iBar / Insomnia imo girls have a clear preference to Farang over Asians, at least for P4 P. You likely won't find many Sensations girls at iBar. They all go to an Asian club like Hollywood. Just to clarify, I am referring to a girl's preference here, not that they won't go with a Farang or Asian man in he above places. In either case, they are all going home to their Thai boyfriends after they're done with you.
In Germany, there is a club called GoldenTime that caters to white skinned only and Asians. Many German girls have mentioned to me this is the reason they chose GoldenTime as the club they want to work in. No darker skinned people allowed including darker skinned Italians, Turks, Indians, etc.
As for Thermae, I do see Farang rejected from time to time but really unless you fall into class A. Japanese guy under 30, you will be rejected by girls at Thermae. Frustrating yes but imo not a huge deal. So many others who will go with you. Many of the top girls here aren't in desperate need for cash so they can be choosy. I'm sure we would be the same in their situation.
I am ranked higher in the Thermae girl preference chart I created last week than Uncle V but there is one girl there I like who won't give me the time of day and loves Uncle V to death. Of course we all know Uncle V is the handsomeness of handsome men (his words).
Wolvenvacht
09-05-16, 07:20
Part of the entertainment value of Thermae for Asian guys is the struggling white guy getting rejected by a girl who is all over every passing Japanese guy. Having 'balls' isn't as culturally significant for the Japanese as it is for westerners. Losing face is much more significant and your struggles and rejections over girls who are easy picking for them is a definite loss of face and they love seeing it.Well, as none of these Japanese men are in my social ciricle, I could't worry less about having "face" with them or not.
Your a high roller dude. That's over $500.00 US. I am humbled at your ability to throw that much on a date.
RL.In Germany FKK, I do see high roller guys booking a girl for 5 hours or more and spending $500 or more. However this is Thailand. Rather different, unless you are in the Escort thread.
Member #4591
09-05-16, 07:35
Would it be more accurate to say it was a 17.6 k date? Thanks for reporting on a different approach. There are clearly a few premium escort model-class girls working on WeChat that seem to be funding their lifestyle as call girls (you can see the pics from trips to expensive restaurants, shopping sprees, visits to resorts/foreign countries in their profiles). They seem to also be experienced enough to execute such an interaction. I would dub this a "build your own premium escort" approach, which might appeal to some of the guys who would want another option from escort sites. So far most of these better class WeChat girls have quoted me 3-6k for short time (because that is the service that I have asked about) and immediately ask my hotel, so they would be servicing the visiting businessman as their normal gig. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.Becareful of the ones that ask you for your hotel straight away. They will show up with a fake cop waving your we chat photo around the lobby. Their intent is to initiatiate a bribe from you by comvincing you that what you've done is ilegal. I always hook up with a we chat girl outside first before taking her to my hotel.
ChinkChink
09-05-16, 07:42
Baccara.
Rainbow 4 - this imo is the best club in BKK and arguably better than Pattaya as well. I enjoy the atmosphere and music. The girls are amazing I really liked 37 and 88. If my buddy finds a LT girl at thermae tonight I'm going here first..Did you actually barfine Rainbow #37? She wouldn't answer if she took it in hole #2.
Uncle Volodya
09-05-16, 07:47
I am ranked higher in the Thermae girl preference chart I created last week than Uncle V but there is one girl there I like who won't give me the time of day and loves Uncle V to death. Of course we all know Uncle V is the handsomeness of handsome men (his words).Actually, my friend, I said I am the hansummmest of hansummmm men. 555.
Good, accurate, unbiased write up.
Member #4591
09-05-16, 07:48
Your a high roller dude. That's over $500.00 US. I am humbled at your ability to throw that much on a date.
RL.Actually, that's not true. I could just bring her to my hotel for the whole time and pay only the 10 K. Secondly, sometimes I prefer to spend all my time with one smokin hot lady where another punter will use that 500 dollars over the course of 3-5 encounters. I do both and it just depends on my mood that week. Either momgering 3-5 times in one week or one time. Easy and simple explanation I think.
PS: On Oskar. A nice place and great food and drinks. Girls not so much. Mostly older and some downright fuggly. Yes you can find a cute girl there but she is likely to be on the other side of 30. My 23 year old, regular, freebie shop girl that I picked up this trip, hates the place and was startled by my suggestion that we meet there for a drink.Girls get very well eyed by the "gang's" which usually occupy the entire bar night for night, sipping on their lonely glass of wine and pretending to be so high class. So yes, many does not like this venue. My current GF, 23, does not like it at all and goes only once per 2 month's, when already quiet drunk and within a nice sized group of friends.
Actually, that's not true. I could just bring her to my hotel for the whole time and pay only the 10 K. Secondly, sometimes I prefer to spend all my time with one smokin hot lady where another punter will use that 500 dollars over the course of 3-5 encounters. I do both and it just depends on my mood that week. Either momgering 3-5 times in one week or one time. Easy and simple explanation I think.I really admire the will power of guys that can go a whole week without a fuck in Bangkok. I really struggle to stay away from P4P for long if GF is not providing.
Uncle Volodya
09-05-16, 08:37
Actually, that's not true. I could just bring her to my hotel for the whole time and pay only the 10 K. Secondly, sometimes I prefer to spend all my time with one smokin hot lady where another punter will use that 500 dollars over the course of 3-5 encounters. I do both and it just depends on my mood that week. Either momgering 3-5 times in one week or one time. Easy and simple explanation I think.BKK dog, I never know if you are being serious or taking the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140), 555.
If you are spending that much ant it makes you happy then more power to you. God knows I have also spent outrageous amounts, especially on visits to FKKs.
If she was a real 9-10 adn I really wanted her then I would also be ready to blow that much cash. Though I'm not sure I would do so habitually. Maybe once in a couple of months. Of course, if I was a richer man and could afford it I'd be doing it whenever the mood struck.
I really admire the will power of guys that can go a whole week without a fuck in Bangkok. I really struggle to stay away from P4P for long if GF is not providing.I often go ten days to two weeks without. On occasion longer. Why? I just don't find that many attractive P4 P gals who provide the type of service I want. As stated before; one evening trip to Thonglor and a gaze around the gals there will put you off Suk working gals for quite some time.
Asian Rain
09-05-16, 09:02
Becareful of the ones that ask you for your hotel straight away. They will show up with a fake cop waving your we chat photo around the lobby. Their intent is to initiatiate a bribe from you by comvincing you that what you've done is ilegal. I always hook up with a we chat girl outside first before taking her to my hotel.Really? Will give you the benefit that this is a serious reply. How do you know this? Personal experience? Or just suspicious intuition? This adds another step to your homemade escort recipe. I assume there is an upfront effort needed to sift through WeChat / Sideline site girls, communicate what you want, agree a fee for the service and then arrange the actual meet-up. So it is advised to start the date at a public place to minimize the risk of a scammer? I certainly appreciate that you have shared a new approach (not often we get that), but I am just thinking of the practicality of executing it. For the Average Joe with cash to splash, it might be more safe and practical to stick to a reputable high-end escort provider? Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.
Becareful of the ones that ask you for your hotel straight away. They will show up with a fake cop waving your we chat photo around the lobby. Their intent is to initiatiate a bribe from you by comvincing you that what you've done is ilegal. I always hook up with a we chat girl outside first before taking her to my hotel.WTF, I assume you jest. Once you start writing satirical posts, one cannot be sure. I would have thoughts Hotels would be checking police credentials carefully before co operating with any scams. I can imagine why the girl would be illegal, in which case the Hotel would not allow her.
BTW, Is hiring an Escort completely illegal officially, or only if you pay money to fuck.
Is We Chat another scam avenue to try to expand the field beyond the usual tourist victims?
For Newbies to Thailand:
First rule for scam avoidance (or minimisation) in Thailand is do not shop in touristy shops, jewellery, tailors, (good shops do exist but find out where first) and do not give even the time of day to any unknown Thai person that tries to talk to you for no apparent reason or to make you an offer. Helpful advice often has shady motives. Any person that comes to you on foot to offer advice and explain how things work, needs to be ignored in most cases. The are generally seeking to rip you off badly. I ignore them. Thais find it unduly rude if I tell them to fuck off. Avoid Tuk Tuks and unmetered taxis. If someone crashes into you, it is bound to be a thief. Don't carry valuables around with you too much. Motorcycle riders may want your bag. Not sure how to avoid being scammed by the real police, that is a tough one.
Member #4591
09-05-16, 10:38
Really? Will give you the benefit that this is a serious reply. How do you know this? Personal experience? Or just suspicious intuition? This adds another step to your homemade escort recipe. I assume there is an upfront effort needed to sift through WeChat / Sideline site girls, communicate what you want, agree a fee for the service and then arrange the actual meet-up. So it is advised to start the date at a public place to minimize the risk of a scammer? I certainly appreciate that you have shared a new approach (not often we get that), but I am just thinking of the practicality of executing it. For the Average Joe with cash to splash, it might be more safe and practical to stick to a reputable high-end escort provider? Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.I believe I posted about this from my first hand experience. If the girls insist heavely on your hotel, its a clear sign of foul. In my case, I was lucky. I gave a bullshit hotel because I had not made my mind up on the girl. Next thing I know, I get a what's app message saying she is in my lobby. I told her that I was not home yet. Next was a photo of a Thai man in a police uniform talking to the reception in the hotel. What transpired from then on was many black mail attempts. At the end of the day, she left the hotel lobby with the fake cope empty handed. This thing is not ileagal but its amazing what a newbie can be talked into with the presense of a would be cope.
All first time meetups should be in public places. This is my firm rule for every new hookup I encounter.
Finally, about my satirical posts. I believe they are obvious and there should be no need for explaning.
Asian Rain
09-05-16, 11:00
Next was a photo of a Thai man in a police uniform talking to the reception in the hotel.
All first time meetups should be in public places. This is my firm rule for every new hookup I encounter.That is something to take note of. Risk is risk with our sport. I always assumed the ask for hotel info was either just being business-like or an attempt to gauge the kind of hotel I was staying. I have had WeChat girls stop replying after I indicated that the meet-up would be at a short-time hotel, but never considered anything more sinister other than the girl didn't want to meet at a short time hotel. Thanks for the heads up. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.
Wolvenvacht
09-05-16, 12:35
BTW, Is hiring an Escort completely illegal officially, or only if you pay money to fuck.Not paying money makes it of course totally legal since that cannot be considered prostitution at all.
But paying money does not make it any more legal or illegal than it is to engage any other kind of sex worker. Remember, prostitution as such is not illegal in Thailand.
Wolvenvacht
09-05-16, 12:40
Next was a photo of a Thai man in a police uniform talking to the reception in the hotel. What transpired from then on was many black mail attempts. At the end of the day, she left the hotel lobby with the fake cope empty handed. This thing is not ileagal but its amazing what a newbie can be talked into with the presense of a would be cope.
All first time meetups should be in public places. This is my firm rule for every new hookup I encounter.I would feel more safe in the lobby or bar of my hotel. All (read: the very few) times someone tried to scam me in Thailand (sale of gold, jewelry, suits, offers of "free" trips in a tuk-tuk, sexy shows in an upstairs bar, . . .) happened outside in a public place.
Blanquiceleste
09-05-16, 13:29
These last few weeks I been trying out a new concept and it has been so far working great. I simply love this concept BKKDog. Most guys on the forum would have stopped reading after they read the title - 10K date nite. It simply goes to show that every girl has a price. And with some game, even the haughtiest of girls will see the light.
I would say this applies to the girls at Thermae also. IMHO the rejection of non-Asians at Thermae is strongly correlated to how much they are willing to pay or not pay. The girls at Thermae simply are making more money by going out with the Asian monger who is probably spending a lot more than the average farang.
I think people have to wake up and smell the lemongrass and galangal. Girls want a better lifestyle. They are not content with just sending subsistence money to their families in Isaan. A girl today wants the latest phones and gadgets, expensive jewelry, branded clothes and accessories, a car, exotic holidays and a healthy bank balance where her tits reach her knees. So if mongers want poontang from Thermae or from anywhere else they are getting rejections, they simply need to loosen their purse strings and not be sore about it. And if a guy across the street is doing it, they should watch and learn rather than simply flaming them for "overpaying".
More power to you!
. Next was a photo of a Thai man in a police uniform talking to the reception in the hotel. What transpired from then on was many black mail attempts. At the end of the day, she left the hotel lobby with the fake cope empty handed. So it is not totally evident if the cop was fake or real. Could be either. I presume the girl would have been in an illegal category, to make the situation more serious.
Scams with Police involvement at Airports have been reported too. Cops have been known to enter someone's house to search for drugs, and then plant the drugs. People having drugs planted in their bag is a well known big problem. So Thailand is very unsafe place for getting set up by real police. You have the well known Koh Tao murders case.
Always useful to be as anonymous as possible in Thailand.
Can't you just block a We Chat contact so you don't receive messages or calls? I don't use We Chat so I don't know.
I used to maintain two phone numbers. One for normal use, and another for the monger phone. This is probably a useful idea to avoid having to change your main phone number too often due to problems. I have a phone that takes two SIM cards as well.
I disagree. If the right punter and offer came around, it would be a done deal but a scam its not. Is there a sign at Nana and Soi Cowboy that says every girl working there is avalable for full service? I think not. WE punters have got it in our minds that this is true.Yes, and if Johnny Depp convinced Kate Middleton, The Dutchess of Canbridge, that one ST with him would "solve world hunger", that would be a done deal too. Why confine it to just working girls? EVERY woman and EVERY man has a price that, if met, ST would be a done deal.
But that isn't really what we're talking about here, right? The mamasan says those particular girls don't go barfine. You want to be the grand exception by coughing up enough baht and lowering expectations to bare bones conditions until you finally get an "ok" from her and the girl? Be my guest. Otherwise, it is a scam to have girls who even the mamasan says will not go barfine in a Nana Plaza Bangkok go-go bar where for decades everyone has known the norm is you pay a barfine and take a girl to a room for sex and the expectation is not that you will buy her Ladydrinks just for a pleasant chat.
The mamasan says those particular girls don't go barfine. You want to be the grand exception by coughing up enough baht and lowering expectations to bare bones conditions until you finally get an "ok" from her and the girl? Be my guest. Otherwise, it is a scam to have girls who even the mamasan says will not go barfine in a Nana Plaza Bangkok go-go bar where the norm has been you pay a barfine and take a girl to a room for sex for decades and everyone knows it.ROFLMAO. It is very well known that Coyote girls in the bars are not necessarily barfinable, and even if BFable are not necessarily available for sex.
So why do think they are designated as Coyotes and dress like Coyotes, when they don't know how to dance like Coyotes? Simply because they may not be BFable or because BF is higher. You can label it a scam, but others don't see it. You alone should have the right to fuck every girl you want.
Bargirls have had the right to refuse to fuck a guy, if they don't like him. They can refuse much more easily than MP girls. I always politely ask the girl first if she wants to go with me. Occasionally they do not. In case of Coyotes, if I really fancied them, I would be wise to ask if they BFable and will they go for sex, and what is the price range, since I don't necessarily expect them to go for bottom dollar.
Girls that fuck, have right to reject arrogant assholes too. Cannot just pay the money and be a "done deal".
A very significant portion of customers in the bar will not take any girl to fuck, the girl does not initially know what the customer is looking for.
Ordinary bargirls could be having a period, have a medical problem etc. , maybe waiting for customer who will arrive in 15 minutes time. May not always be available to fuck. It's wise to check the situation.
Buying a girl a drink is not an automatic pass to fuck her for whatever you think she is worth. Even paying the BF does not guarantee a fuck. It allows her to get changed and leave the bar with you or sit with you without dancing. Separate negotiation is required for the sex, ST or LT.
Guys have been known to BF a Coyote girl late when the BF price drops and take her out to a disco or club, or restaurant even she does not officially go for sex. I don't know if these girls later change their minds and fuck or not. Palm who used to work at Mercury had plenty of customers like that, she was just so hot and pretty. These customers came for her only. I did not ever get round to BFing her myself. Obviously I wanted to fuck her but did not get a chance to and don't know if she was persuadable. I did fuck Anna another Coyote in there, who was a real go-er on the bed and the best Coyote dancer in the bar (also did her in her Midnite days a few years before). She clearly was available for sex. Both girls are gone now. Some Coyotes in there can be fucked, for sure. The normal gogo girls in there are mostly too pudgy for me (but Indians seem to generally like more meat on the girls).
Sure I don't like it when hot Coyote girls have a husband and are not available to fuck. However I have to accept that they have a right to work in a non sex role. They are not sex slaves that can be just bought and sold. Girls must maintain the right to choose what they do and what they don't do for money or otherwise.
Girls have to right to refuse to fuck Arrogant Assholes too. You can't just pay the money and expect them to be a "done deal".
Member #4591
09-05-16, 14:33
Yes, and if Johnny Depp convinced Kate Middleton, The Dutchess of Canbridge, that one ST with him would "solve world hunger", that would be a done deal too. Why confine it to just working girls? EVERY woman and EVERY man has a price that, if met, ST would be a done deal.
But that isn't really what we're talking about here, right? The mamasan says those particular girls don't go barfine. You want to be the grand exception by coughing up enough baht and lowering expectations to bare bones conditions until you finally get an "ok" from her and the girl? Be my guest. Otherwise, it is a scam to have girls who even the mamasan says will not go barfine in a Nana Plaza Bangkok go-go bar where for decades everyone has known the norm is you pay a barfine and take a girl to a room for sex and the expectation is not that you will buy her Ladydrinks just for a pleasant chat.There is no scam there.
Member #4591
09-05-16, 14:57
So it is not totally evident if the cop was fake or real. Could be either. I presume the girl would have been in an illegal category, to make the situation more serious.
Scams with Police involvement at Airports have been reported too. Cops have been known to enter someone's house to search for drugs, and then plant the drugs. People having drugs planted in their bag is a well known big problem. So Thailand is very unsafe place for getting set up by real police. You have the well known Koh Tao murders case.
Always useful to be as anonymous as possible in Thailand.
Can't you just block a We Chat contact so you don't receive messages or calls? I don't use We Chat so I don't know.
I used to maintain two phone numbers. One for normal use, and another for the monger phone. This is probably a useful idea to avoid having to change your main phone number too often due to problems. I have a phone that takes two SIM cards as well.
You are missing the point my man. All the time she was in the lobby she thought I was upstairs in that hotel. She did not believe my story of not being home and had no idea I was lieing about my hotel. As soon as I told her the fake hotel name, she was off to my location with no notice. I hope that's clearer for you my man. When we are goona have that beer by the way?
You are missing the point my man. All the time she was in the lobby she thought I was upstairs in that hotel. She did not believe my story of not being home and had no idea I was lieing about my hotel. As soon as I told her the fake hotel name, she was off to my location with no notice. I hope that's clearer for you my man. When we are goona have that beer by the way?Yes okay I did miss that point. I am not the most intuitive. I assumed the Hotel would have said straight off, no such customer, but they may have stubbornly believed you were definitely there. LOL I will PM you.
ROFLMAO. It is very well known that Coyote girls in the bars are not necessarily barfinable, and even if BFable are not necessarily available for sex.
So your girl walked over to you and said, "Hi, my name is so-and-so, I'm a Coyote and I don't go barfine", before you asked her and before you bought her a Ladydrink?
If not, that Nana Plaza Bangkok go-go bar was trying to scam you.
There is no scam there.You walk into a restaurant, a nice looking place nestled in a row of lovely restaurants known for serving damn good food. You sit down, open the menu and when the waitress comes over you point to the picture of a hamburger and fries. While waiting for your food order to arrive you order an exceptionally expensive imported beer.
Twenty minutes later the waitress comes to your table and plops down a beautiful photo of a hamburger and fries. "What's that?", you ask her. "Oh", she says, "that's what we sell here; photos of food. We don't sell real food here. "
Hey, nobody said Joe's Bar & Grill had to serve actual food, did they? They presented photos of food in their menu, you pointed to a photo of food and, by god, that is what they served you. What's the big deal? But they got your money for that exceptionally expensive beer while you were waiting for it.
Scam or no scam?
Analogies are the device of weak minds, when it comes to proving something. For proof, they do nothing, they merely illustrate how you feel about a situation.
So your girl walked over to you and said, "Hi, my name is so-and-so, I'm a Coyote and I don't go barfine", before you asked her and before you bought her a Ladydrink?
If not, that Nana Plaza Bangkok go-go bar was trying to scam you.I signalled I would buy her a drink before any conversation started at all. I liked her fun playful dance style. I wanted to chat to her. I had no intention to BF her.
Girls do not start a conversation with "Hello, I'm not available for fucking". Never ever happened. If you start a conversation, and later suggest to order a drink for her, a percentage will warn you they are not available for sex, or already have a customer booking, but not all. Its probably well under 50% in any bar.
No she was obviously a Coyote (in Twisters). It was clearly a "Coyote" outfit. She was automatically in the doubtful category. I straight away asked if all the girls here were considered to be Coyotes in Twisters. She answered yes they all were, even those wearing bikinis. I asked the BF price, and she answered 1000 Baht but added that not all girls go with customers. She said she thought there were about 10 girls or so not available. I got it sussed out fairly rapidly, except that I don't know the typical asking price.
It is rude in Thai culture to ask the price of something if you don't intend to buy. Asking the price is considered to be the start of a negotiation. Once you get the girl down to agreed price, you are expected to go through it. Not if you cannot agree on the price of course. I did learn the Coyote girl was married and did not go with customers. I did not check same with other girls since I did not intend to BF them and I did not want to buy them all a drink. Rain check. I had my nice GFE session earlier in an MP (2 hours).
Yes I know guys get taken for a ride. I met an Asian guy in the street (Soi 4), new to Thailand, asking where he could buy souvenirs, who claimed he parted with 8K for a ST. I guess was a Coyote, but did not ask which bar.
If everyone read the forum first, or had an experienced buddy, they might have more clues.
Banana Boi clearly got burned though. I wasn't exactly watching, but he indicated the girl downed the drink in two gulps and pissed off rapidly when he didn't want to buy another one immediately. Also he had the girl who did not say a word. Possibly did not speak English. My girl stayed with me. She did not even go dance on her rotation, since she said there were enough girls on the stage. I liked her. She seemed honest enough girl to me. I did not detect any bullshit.
Member #4591
09-05-16, 16:42
You walk into a restaurant, a nice looking place nestled in a row of lovely restaurants known for serving damn good food. You sit down, open the menu and when the waitress comes over you point to the picture of a hamburger and fries. While waiting for your food order to arrive you order an exceptionally expensive imported beer.
Twenty minutes later the waitress comes to your table and plops down a beautiful photo of a hamburger and fries. "What's that?", you ask her. "Oh", she says, "that's what we sell here; photos of food. We don't sell real food here. "
Hey, nobody said Joe's Bar & Grill had to serve actual food, did they? They presented photos of food in their menu, you pointed to a photo of food and, by god, that is what they served you. What's the big deal? But they got your money for that exceptionally expensive beer while you were waiting for it.
Scam or no scam?You do make some valid points but at the end of the day these bars don't guarantee or advertise that all their ladies do full service but thanks for coming out mate.
No she was obviously a Coyote (in Twisters). It was clearly a "Coyote" outfit. She was automatically in the doubtful category. I straight away asked if all the girls here were considered to be Coyotes in Twisters. She answered yes they all were, even those wearing bikinis. I asked the BF price, and she answered 1000 Baht but added that not all girls go with customers. She said she thought there were about 10 girls or so not available. I got it sussed out fairly rapidly, except that I don't know the typical asking price.
It is rude in Thai culture to ask the price of something if you don't intend to buy. Asking the price is considered to be the start of a negotiation. Once you get the girl down to agreed price, you are expected to go through it. Not if you cannot agree on the price of course. I did learn the Coyote girl was married and did not go with customers. I did not check same with other girls since I did not intend to BF them and I did not want to buy them all a drink. Rain check. I had my nice GFE session earlier in an MP (2 hours).
Yes I know guys get taken for a ride. I met an Asian guy in the street (Soi 4), new to Thailand, asking where he could buy souvenirs, who claimed he parted with 8K for a ST. I guess was a Coyote, but did not ask which bar.
If everyone read the forum first, or had an experienced buddy, they might have more clues.Twisters is counting on NONE of their bar patrons knowing anything whatsoever about "Coyotes", what Coyotes wear, Thai culture re talking about price or anything else. They are only hoping ALL of them will assume every girl in that place is available for barfine and take-out for sex if you sit for a while, buy her a couple of Ladydrinks and chat her up. And on both of those counts, they would likely be 90%+ correct. It is the rare tourist that I meet who even knows there is such a thing as a "Coyote", but they all know you go to Nana Plaza go-go bars to take women out for sex.
My restaurant analogy was quite appropriate and fitting. Such a place would not just be innocently trying to provide a worthwhile service or product and, hey, it's on you if you misunderstood or jumped to a silly conclusion. Nonsense. They would be trying to "Take customers for a ride", which is a scam. And that is what Twisters is up to.
Twisters is counting on NONE of their bar patrons knowing anything whatsoever about "Coyotes", what Coyotes wear, Thai culture re talking about price or anything else. They are only hoping ALL of them will assume every girl in that place is available for barfine and take-out for sex if you sit for a while, buy her a couple of Ladydrinks and chat her up.A good number of girls are available. I don't know the exact percentage. Yes a guy could be unlucky and pick the wrong one. This applies to several bars in Nana Plaza. In an ordinary bar with no Coyotes you can still get the wrong girl who won't go for sex for one reason or another. Plenty of hot girls have a pre booking.
I remember buying a drink for Kratae in Crazy House (who looks like Rihanna) and she told me soon enough she would rather go out to a disco. I don't know if she was old enough or not for sex. She soon pissed off to some other customer. She was not a good choice clearly. Luckily did not waste a BF. One drink yes.
As far as I know, none of the girls in the "Arab's" bars are officially available for sex. Not everyone knows this. However you can be done for breaking the law even if you don't know the law. Ignorance is not bliss. Guys really need to find out what is going on.
First thing I do when entering Twisters is to try to find out all the things that are going on there as far as possible in the first visit. More to come in 2nd visit.
How does the newbie tourist know what goes on in these bars. By reading the internet? It should be explaining Coyote girls, surely. If I was a newbie in the bar with my experienced buddy, I am sure I would be asking him if all these girls can be fucked.
My very first bar was in Cowboy and called "Midnite Upstairs" (on the 2nd level) or something like that, 25 years ago and fortunately I was with a buddy who explained everything. He was a relative of the Farang bar manager. I forget the BF price, but first girl for the night cost 500 baht. Another night got one for only 400 baht and was hard to get to her leave my Hotel. She just wanted to stay.
The buddy also showed me the Thermae Coffee shop, the Grace Coffee shop and Massage places attached to each, and Pat Pong bars. Nana Plaza had not really got going yet in those days, if it had started at all.
I went on a whirlwind tour of southern Thailand with some Thai non P4 P friends that I had met in Thai Restaurants in the homeland. The pace was too much, so I soon split with them to have time to see Phuket properly.
My PI flight is delayed and sitting here reading these great post by S. The info in post#s 36490 & 36497 are so full of great insight I had to say thank you. I will save this because there is so much to remember. Thanks much! Flight is finally ready.
So your girl walked over to you and said, "Hi, my name is so-and-so, I'm a Coyote and I don't go barfine", before you asked her and before you bought her a Ladydrink?
If not, that Nana Plaza Bangkok go-go bar was trying to scam you.Agreed. The entire idea of Coyote dancers in GoGo bars is a scam. Started by the "Arab" at his bars in Cowboy in the mid-00's, this marked the end of the GoGo era for me. It also ushered in the era of stupidly high prices, drink wise, BF wise and gal fee wise. Completely ruined the scene in IMHO.
Agreed. The entire idea of Coyote dancers in GoGo bars is a scam. Started by the "Arab" at his bars in Cowboy in the mid-00's, this marked the end of the GoGo era for me. It also ushered in the era of stupidly high prices, drink wise, BF wise and gal fee wise. Completely ruined the scene in IMHO.I have said that one or two non-barfineables (as a matter of policy, that is, not because of their period, sickness, or even flat-out dislike of the customer) out of a couple of dozen girls might be ok vs what seemed like 1/3 of the girls on stage at Twisters and certainly most of the better looking ones. However, even that is a scam. It's just a scam on a somewhat smaller scale. And if it goes well, no reason not to expect the scam to grow to Twister proportions.
The "They are not slaves!" defense of this scam takes the defense of Bangkok go-go bars scamming customers to a particularly high level. Of course, they are not slaves. I have never been in a Thai go-go bar (or a BJ bar or an MP or a beer bar, etc. , for that matter) since the first one I entered back in the 1990's where every girl or even any girl had to do whatever was asked of her by any customer. Even in the odd case where a customer might insist on taking a girl from whom he has gotten absolutely zero interest in being taken, they have all had the option of saying they're on their period, they don't feel well, they've got another customer coming any minute now, whatever. And if there are publicly accessible venues with P4 P girls anywhere in Thailand that require their girls to engage in BBAnal, BBBJ CIM, BBBJ CIM+Swallow and BBFS for any man who requests it because they are "sex slaves" who must obey every demand, I have yet to hear of it or witness it.
The individual power and right for the girl to say yes or no to anyone or for anything isn't what we're talking about with the Coyote scam in places like Twister in Nana Plaza and so many places on Soi Cowboy. That has always been the case anywhere I have been in Thailand or any other country I've visited. We're talking about a built-in scam as a matter of establishment policy and business model.
Back to my restaurant analogy where the waitress brought the customer a beautiful photo of food after he'd already purchased an exceptionally expensive drink to accompany his meal because, well, after all, that is what he pointed to in the menu so no harm intended for the customer by this fair and reasonable establishment, uh-huh; if the waitress had then excused and defended the scam by saying, "Sir, we are not slaves here. There is no law requiring us to sell you real food in this place," I suppose the scammed customer would at least have a huge laugh out of the scam to go along with his exceptionally expensive drink and beautiful photo of food. Lolol.
My PI flight is delayed and sitting here reading these great post by S. The info in post#s 36490 & 36497 are so full of great insight I had to say thank you. I will save this because there is so much to remember. Thanks much! Flight is finally ready.Posts #36490 and #36497? Hmm. But the most recent post prior to this one is #35635. Are you talking about another thread or did I miss something?
Member #4698
09-06-16, 03:15
We then moved on to ... Twisters. 2nd floor right side. It has taken over the old Rainbow 4 bar. Rainbow 4 has moved to old Candyland bar in the back corner, but redecorated it (again). Previously Candyland was a horrible dismal failure in the spot and with the bad decoration. Candyland has moved to where Candyland 2 was located. Candyland2 was previously Hot Lips until taken over. Temptations (LB bar) is in between. Have I confused everyone yet?
Girls in Twisters wore a Coyote outfit or bikini. A small number of girls were topless and 90% of those topless had incredibly beautiful young high tits with no sag, not large but very nice shape, mostly. Some girls were excessively pretty. I think there may have been about four girls who I could rate close to a 9 out of 10, with great faces and bodies. Natty Bumpo will love this bar, I reckon. Plenty of excessively cute girls.
One girl looked like she knew how to dance, was playing up with her friend very playfully, was a tall slim model, so I called her over. Name was Naam Bpun (rhymes with fun) and means an ice shake drink. She was about 28 and one of a few girls (approx. 10) that do not go with customers (she is married to a DJ). No matter, I liked her and I did not intend to BF anyone. Most girls would have been younger. She would be able to tell me all about the place. Going for a few months. She worked there for 2 months. Bpun claimed to 177cm. More like 173 I reckon. Many guys would guess LB, but clearly was not could be easily seen despite the height. Very small waist and good curves. Tits looked nice enough.
Lady drinks are 185 Baht a bit expensive. Customer drinks are cheaper than Crazy House. BF is 1000 expensive. All or almost all girls are designated as Coyotes, even though clearly many are not, since they dress incorrectly for Coyote style and cannot dance Coyote style either. Most girls were dancing reasonably energetically, so not like the Baccara shuffle. Music had some proper songs, but was mostly disco style stuff which can hardly be called music by my generation. DJ is messing with songs too much. A Michael Jackson hit became almost unrecognisable, disco-ised.
There were two groups of girls doing 15 min sets. Dancing on two stages maybe about 30 girls at a time.
For looks the line up had variation as for all bars, but no fatties at all, and all girls were above average. No super ugly girls that I noticed. The best looking girls were really superior. So the line up shits on Crazy House (right now), and also is a cut significantly above Billboard. This is for looks and for a guy like me biased towards natural Thai looks and towards slim models, tit size not important to me. This is best gogo bar line up I have seen in recent memory, for guys not that keen on surgeries. Very different to Baccara. Most customers were Japanese, but a good number of Farangs, similar mix to Crazy House except customers looked classier. My girl Bpun commented that Japanese like it here due to girls not being typical Isaan look, e. G. Not really the dark skin flat squashed nose girls. My girl was from Nakorn Pathom (not Isaan). However I am sure most girls were from Isaan, whether it was considered a classic Isaan look or not.
It was commented that some girls here set a very high price on themselves with upper limit probably 5000 Baht. I said to Bpun, that would shock Farangs. She did not mention what the lower limit girl asking price but I suspect it may not be so good. So the main reason we did not see a lot of obviously regular Farang customers there, maybe that girls are too expensive. I don't know yet.
After Twisters I went to have a look in Rainbow 4. They have downsized dramatically. This Ex Candland bar has a single stage. Maybe up to about 15 girls were dancing at one time. They were almost all clones. Light skinned adjusted surgeries looks to make them look more western. I did not like them much. Similar to Baccara style but perhaps a bit more classy looking than Baccara. No way RB4 will drag me away from Twisters. Girls looks just not in the same league for my style. RB4 had less customers and seemed very stodgy in comparison. I wonder if it will really work for them in that back corner.
Twisters bar could easily be my goto bar, provided I can find that the very pretty girls can be GFE for an acceptable price. This remains to be seen.You certainly peaked my interest with this report Syzygies and I am looking forward to hearing about your return visit.
When I last went to this location, the 2nd floor at Nana, in late April, things were not looking good. 4 Bar or something like it, ie the reincarnated RB4 was in the former corner location where Fairy Bar and before it Candyland had occupied space. I walked in and it was like a ghost town with only 3 other customers and maybe 15 girls albeit 3 of those girls were very attractive. I bought a drink and chatted with one of the cuties, but since I had just come from the Lord, I knew it was just a get acquainted conversation. After I said goodbye I took a sneak peek inside the former RB4 location and there was nobody inside. A Ladyboy at the entrance tried to coax me inside, but I lied and told her I would come back later when they had more customers. Ha Ha. This was 2 or 3 days before my departure and I had no free time left in my schedule or I would have gone back to the 4 Bar (the corner reincarnated RB4 Go Go) that had the 3 hotties.
So from what I saw in late April to your up to date description the other night, there has been some marked improvement. I would go to Twisters to check it out for myself tonight if I were in BKK. 555. Not that I am a fan of all Coyote / Agency bars, but I do like quality. Some bars have "coyotes" in name only and their "coyotes" look no different to me or better than regular girls. The bars just charge more for them. That is real BS as far as I am concerned and I do not give these bars my commerce. But if a bar really has the higher quality like "What's Up" bar in Pattaya, then I am going to check it out to see if the girls want to show me a good time. I hope Twisters is the latter type bar.
Now if a Go Go girl I find attractive gives me a smile I will invite her over for a drink or two and if I like her and we seem to be getting along real good, I will pop the barfine question or maybe postpone it for our next meeting in her bar. In my experience, Go Go girls who are interested and free to barfine will give me the smile or the look most of the time although once in a while there is the shy girl. Girls that are not interested or unavailable for barfine tend to give me the "you are invisible look. " I remember one of my favorite CH girls gave me the "invisible look" the first time I saw her dancing on stage, but that was because, as I found out 10 minutes later, she already had a customer who was coincidentally sitting right next to me with a shot of Tequila waiting for her to return to his side. At the time it appeared that she hadn't even noticed me, but a couple nights later when I returned to CH and she was free, she bounced right off the stage onto my lap naked to say Hi, clearly remembering me from the previous night. Go Go girls see all!
Anyway, If Twisters has the quality GIRLS, I will be there and I won't mind spending some Bhat on a couple lady drinks per girl to find out exactly what the story is. If, however, as has been reported here on the forum by other BM's, that it is the management's policy that it's Coyote girls do not barfine, then I will find that out in two or 3 nights and will end all future commerce with the bar.
This all reminds me of the night I walked into What's Up, the original Coyote bar in Pattaya, and saw the Princess dancing on stage for the first time. I instantly knew I wanted her and did not bother even looking around to see if there were any other girls, there were, who might also turn me on with their looks. The princess smiled at me and I invited her over for a drink. The rest is history yada, yada, yada. The year was 2012 and she became my favorite girl through my next 2 trips to LOS. We even got together in BKK a few times when she came up to see her daughter who lived with her mother here. Then I lost track of her for 3 years until we ran into each other again in Sapphire Go Go last fall. She told me she had been "engaged" to a British guy and he took her to Manchester or some place in GB.
Any way I mention her now because she was an Agency girl alright and her barfine was incredibly high for back then and it is still high by today's standards as well ie. 2000 before midnight and 1000 after. But she was a great girl. I can still recall being stunned by the barfine prices she quoted me that first night, but I was prepared to shell out 2000 to get her. I didn't care. She was one of the hottest girls I ever saw in a Go Go. It was around 10 pm and I began to reach down into my pockets for the cash, but she told me to hold off and wait until midnight saying 2000 was too much and I should not pay it. So we talked and held hands, drank a little and I watched her periodically dance on the stage until around 11:45 when she finally got the all clear to leave early with me. After that night we made prearranged dates when I wanted to see her and she would wait for me to show up around 11:30, buy her one drink, and then we would leave. We also used to have afternoon get togethers for lunch, bowling (yeah seriously), a movie, shopping (she always wanted something ha ha) and boom boom. At night I gave her 3000. In the afternoon I always bought her a "present".
So the question is: are the Twister girls actual coyote / agency quality or is that just a tag the bar stuck on them and do these girls want to party (shag). If the answer to either of these two questions is no, then count me out. I won't go to this bar more than the first couple of times to find out. But if the answer is yes to both questions, then count me in. Life is too short to quibble about money.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. " George Best.
Franciscass
09-06-16, 03:21
Agreed. The entire idea of Coyote dancers in GoGo bars is a scam. Started by the "Arab" at his bars in Cowboy in the mid-00's, this marked the end of the GoGo era for me. It also ushered in the era of stupidly high prices, drink wise, BF wise and gal fee wise. Completely ruined the scene in IMHO.The line between being scammed and simply not being aware of how things work can be blurred but buying drinks for girls in a bar does not mean she will automatically leave with you. Should a customer be told this in advance, yes, should he check it out before buying drinks yes, if he doesn't goes ahead buys drinks and then finds out she won't go with him is it a scam, in my opinion no. The onus is on him to know the score.
Member #4591
09-06-16, 03:49
Today I was in Survey mode. Firstly in Thermae with Banana Boi.
I had to admit to finding about five or seven girls that were quite doable (meaning pretty for me). Would have been difficult to decide which one. Of course I don't know which of them would have accepted me.
Rat my previous girl from Thermae was there. She still looked mighty cute to me. However knowing she does not kiss at all, that is a stumbling block. She still makes it into the top half dozen for looks (my taste). Banana Boi did not take a girl either. His friend did.
We then moved on to Nana Plaza. Mackin had recommended to me Twisters. 2nd floor right side. It has taken over the old Rainbow 4 bar. Rainbow 4 has moved to old Candyland bar in the back corner, but redecorated it (again). Previously Candyland was a horrible dismal failure in the spot and with the bad decoration. Candyland has moved to where Candyland 2 was located. Candyland2 was previously Hot Lips until taken over. Temptations (LB bar) is in between. Have I confused everyone yet?
Girls in Twisters wore a Coyote outfit or bikini. A small number of girls were topless and 90% of those topless had incredibly beautiful young high tits with no sag, not large but very nice shape, mostly. Some girls were excessively pretty. I think there may have been about four girls who I could rate close to a 9 out of 10, with great faces and bodies. Natty Bumpo will love this bar, I reckon. Plenty of excessively cute girls.
The level of Saiyagum (Surgeries) was low enough. Not that many nose jobs and silicones. Again I would have great difficulty choosing a girl. Several very hot looking girls for my taste. Some even had big naturals, unfortunately covered.
One girl looked like she knew how to dance, was playing up with her friend very playfully, was a tall slim model, so I called her over. Name was Naam Bpun (rhymes with fun) and means an ice shake drink. She was about 28 and one of a few girls (approx. 10) that do not go with customers (she is married to a DJ). No matter, I liked her and I did not intend to BF anyone. Most girls would have been younger. She would be able to tell me all about the place. Going for a few months. She worked there for 2 months. Bpun claimed to 177cm. More like 173 I reckon. Many guys would guess LB, but clearly was not could be easily seen despite the height. Very small waist and good curves. Tits looked nice enough.
Lady drinks are 185 Baht a bit expensive. Customer drinks are cheaper than Crazy House. BF is 1000 expensive. All or almost all girls are designated as Coyotes, even though clearly many are not, since they dress incorrectly for Coyote style and cannot dance Coyote style either. Most girls were dancing reasonably energetically, so not like the Baccara shuffle. Music had some proper songs, but was mostly disco style stuff which can hardly be called music by my generation. DJ is messing with songs too much. A Michael Jackson hit became almost unrecognisable, disco-ised.
There were two groups of girls doing 15 min sets. Dancing on two stages maybe about 30 girls at a time.
For looks the line up had variation as for all bars, but no fatties at all, and all girls were above average. No super ugly girls that I noticed. The best looking girls were really superior. So the line up shits on Crazy House (right now), and also is a cut significantly above Billboard. This is for looks and for a guy like me biased towards natural Thai looks and towards slim models, tit size not important to me. This is best gogo bar line up I have seen in recent memory, for guys not that keen on surgeries. Very different to Baccara. Most customers were Japanese, but a good number of Farangs, similar mix to Crazy House except customers looked classier. My girl Bpun commented that Japanese like it here due to girls not being typical Isaan look, e. G. Not really the dark skin flat squashed nose girls. My girl was from Nakorn Pathom (not Isaan). However I am sure most girls were from Isaan, whether it was considered a classic Isaan look or not.
It was commented that some girls here set a very high price on themselves with upper limit probably 5000 Baht. I said to Bpun, that would shock Farangs. She did not mention what the lower limit girl asking price but I suspect it may not be so good. So the main reason we did not see a lot of obviously regular Farang customers there, maybe that girls are too expensive. I don't know yet. Perhaps Banana Boi asked some girls how much? I don't know. Some girls might be worth 3 K or so due to being stunning, but there were also plenty of more average girls that would not be worth large numbers.
Clearly I will return another day to see if a very pretty girl can be obtained for a good price and give a good GFE. Otherwise my cute Billboard girl with fab GFE for a reasonable price may win out.
I can even go out to the Nana Carpark and get a very nice girl for 1500. Today met Aor in carpark, and noted to try her another day. Very cute for me. Not a 9 by any means but still looking nice. Maybe a 7 would be more realistic. Word has spread in nana Carpark, already by girls I took previously, that I am a nice guy and girls should like me.
After Twisters I went to have a look in Rainbow 4. They have downsized dramatically. This Ex Candland bar has a single stage. Maybe up to about 15 girls were dancing at one time. They were almost all clones. Light skinned adjusted surgeries looks to make them look more western. I did not like them much. Similar to Baccara style but perhaps a bit more classy looking than Baccara. No way RB4 will drag me away from Twisters. Girls looks just not in the same league for my style. RB4 had less customers and seemed very stodgy in comparison. I wonder if it will really work for them in that back corner.
Twisters bar could easily be my goto bar, provided I can find that the very pretty girls can be GFE for an acceptable price. This remains to be seen.Good intel provided which now refutes the claim by another poster this bar is a scam. Scam scam scam, these guys who are scam scared call everthing a scam in life if it does not go there way. Great report my man.
Good intel provided which now refutes the claim by another poster this bar is a scam. Scam scam scam, these guys who are scam scared call everthing a scam in life if it does not go there way. Great report my man.Aside from your ridiculous over-simplification of my and others' position here, in fact an outright misrepresentation of it, you notice Syzy didn't mention seeing any girls wearing tights / pantyhose on stage or walking around in Twisters, an almost certain sign in the major venues of Bangkok that the girl does not go barfine with customers, is not hired by their agency to do that, and it is not desired by the bar that hired the agency for them to do it. Maybe he didn't notice because he was so focused on other body parts. Maybe the night or hour he was there only one or two of their dancers were wearing tights / pantyhose. Maybe it was a one-night-only test that went horribly wrong and they'll never do that again. I have no idea. But when I was there over the weekend (forget now if it was Friday or Saturday night), about 1/3 of the girls on Twisters' stage were wearing tights / pantyhose, mostly the better looking ones.
Even though I was 99% sure what the answer would be, I asked the mamasan why some of the girls were wearing tights / pantyhose, pointing in the direction of their legs to make sure she knew what I meant. She said, "oh, only dance and get Ladydrink, no barfine. "
And then the server brought me a beautiful photo of the cocktail I'd pointed to the pic of on their menu, plopped a check bin for 250 baht in my cup and all was well. Lolol.
Aside from your ridiculous over-simplification of my and others' position here, in fact an outright misrepresentation of it, you notice Syzy didn't mention seeing any girls wearing tights / pantyhose on stage or walking around in Twisters, an almost certain sign in the major venues of Bangkok that the girl does not go barfine with customers, is not hired by their agency to do that, and is not desired by the bar that hired the agency for them to do it. Maybe he didn't notice because he was so focused on other body parts, maybe the night or hour he was there only one or two of their dancers were wearing tights / pantyhose. When I was there over the weekend (forget now if it was Friday or Saturday night), about 1/3 of the girls on Twister's stage were wearing tights / pantyhose, mostly the better looking ones. Maybe it was a one-night-only test that went horribly wrong and they'll never do that again. I have no idea.
Even though I was 99% sure what the answer would be, I asked the mamasan why some of the girls were wearing tights / pantyhose, pointing in the direction of their legs to make sure she knew what I meant. She said, "oh, only dance and get Ladydrink, no barfine. "
And then the server brought me a beautiful photo of the cocktail I'd pointed to the pic of on their menu, plopped a check bin for 250 baht in my cup and all was well. Lolol.And in a few years when all the gals are making enough in salary and lady drinks (and perhaps at some point lap dances) to pay their bills, all these dudes will complain that there are no gals to be bar fined anymore. That day is coming. And sooner than most guys think.
And in a few years when all the gals are making enough in salary and lady drinks (and perhaps at some point lap dances) to pay their bills, all these dudes will complain that there are no gals to be bar fined anymore. That day is coming. And sooner than most guys think.LOL. I was thinking the same thing about the lap dances. When a couple of posters here finally get their way and the go-go bars in Bangkok / Pattaya are no different than the strip joints in the USA where the "no go" girls are the majority norm and maybe one or two skanks in the place will throw you a handjob for $50, we will have entire threads devoted to which Bangkok bars to get the best 5 minute, fully clothed, 1000 baht lap dance. I can hardly wait!
LOL. I was thinking the same thing about the lap dances. When a couple of posters here finally get their way and the go-go bars in Bangkok / Pattaya are no different than the strip joints in the USA where the "no go" girls are the majority norm and maybe one or two skanks in the place will throw you a handjob for $50, we will have entire threads devoted to which Bangkok bars to get the best 5 minute, fully clothed, 1000 baht lap dance. I can hardly wait!When I first saw guys tipping gals on stage for doing nothing I thought, "Well, here we go." And it has been downhill ever since. Of course the gals and owners know that most guys will take what they can get. Sad really.
When I first saw guys tipping gals on stage for doing nothing I thought, "Well, here we go." And it has been downhill ever since. Of course the gals and owners know that most guys will take what they can get. Sad really.Yes, but I'll bet those gals and owners had no idea there would be passionate and devoted defenders and apologists for the movement trying with all their might to convince the rest of us we ought to be happy about it and grateful for it along the way! That has to be as big a shock to them as it ought to be to more posters here. A nice bonus that I assume they could never have predicted. Crowd psychology is an interesting thing.
Posts #36490 and #36497? Hmm. But the most recent post prior to this one is #35635. Are you talking about another thread or did I miss something?Not sure what is with your browser. Those numbers match my explanation about what is going on with the "Coyotes".
Aside from your ridiculous over-simplification of my and others' position here, in fact an outright misrepresentation of it, you notice Syzy didn't mention seeing any girls wearing tights / pantyhose on stage or walking around in Twisters, an almost certain sign in the major venues of Bangkok that the girl does not go barfine with customers, is not hired by their agency to do that, and it is not desired by the bar that hired the agency for them to do it. Maybe he didn't notice because he was so focused on other body parts. Maybe the night or hour he was there only one or two of their dancers were wearing tights / pantyhose. Maybe it was a one-night-only test that went horribly wrong and they'll never do that again. I have no idea. But when I was there over the weekend (forget now if it was Friday or Saturday night), about 1/3 of the girls on Twisters' stage were wearing tights / pantyhose, mostly the better looking ones.
Quite simply I did not notice any girl wearing tights or pantyhose. I will obviously look for that next time. I am sure there were not many in that category or surely I would have noticed. Maybe I was seated in the wrong location or my glasses were fogged up. I could not see all girls clearly from my seating location. I believe my girls had bare legs, since I was admiring her beautiful sleek skin, however it was a very obvious Coyote outfit with multi-layers. She did have a bit much for tattoos. That was noticeable and a face piercing detracted from her looks slightly. I do recall noticing plenty of Coyotes having pantyhose on, in the past at other bars, so it would not be unusual.
Other bars have some girls that are not barfinable. Even Long Gun a few years ago had a special dancer or two who did not go for sex. I will try to find out if there is an easy way to identify the non BFable girls for sure. I am sure the topless girls will be barfinable.
Billboard also has lots of barfinable Coyotes. Can't say I noticed any pantyhose there either. So could be a connection. Perhaps not a 100% correlation. I mean I doubt the bar is going to have any rule that states a barfinable girl cannot wear pantyhose and non BFable girls can.
It's amazing that you guys who have no interest in bars are posting so much about them, and getting so hung up on whether a Coyote girl of no interest was wearing pantyhose.
I like to visit bars, if they have girl with the looks to attract me. I just seek to point out all the facts of importance as best I can about what is going on, or what I was told about how it works (which could be distorted). However when I get any more or better info, I will report it.
Not sure what is with your browser. Those numbers match my explanation about what is going on with the "Coyotes".Yes, something very strange happened. After logging off and back on a minute ago, the latest #35 XXX posts all changed to #36 XXX.
Member #4591
09-06-16, 06:37
Aside from your ridiculous over-simplification of my and others' position here, in fact an outright misrepresentation of it, you notice Syzy didn't mention seeing any girls wearing tights / pantyhose on stage or walking around in Twisters, an almost certain sign in the major venues of Bangkok that the girl does not go barfine with customers, is not hired by their agency to do that, and it is not desired by the bar that hired the agency for them to do it. Maybe he didn't notice because he was so focused on other body parts. Maybe the night or hour he was there only one or two of their dancers were wearing tights / pantyhose. Maybe it was a one-night-only test that went horribly wrong and they'll never do that again. I have no idea. But when I was there over the weekend (forget now if it was Friday or Saturday night), about 1/3 of the girls on Twisters' stage were wearing tights / pantyhose, mostly the better looking ones.
Even though I was 99% sure what the answer would be, I asked the mamasan why some of the girls were wearing tights / pantyhose, pointing in the direction of their legs to make sure she knew what I meant. She said, "oh, only dance and get Ladydrink, no barfine. "
And then the server brought me a beautiful photo of the cocktail I'd pointed to the pic of on their menu, plopped a check bin for 250 baht in my cup and all was well. Lolol.Yawn yawn yawn. Next please. I think this stupid topic has been discussed to death. I agree with Asia Rain about the user blogs.
Quite simply I did not notice any girl wearing tights or pantyhose. I will obviously look for that next time. I am sure there were not many in that category or surely I would have noticed. Maybe I was seated in the wrong location or my glasses were fogged up. I could not see all girls clearly from my seating location. I believe my girls had bare legs, since I was admiring her beautiful sleek skin, however it was a very obvious Coyote outfit with multi-layers. She did have a bit much for tattoos. That was noticeable and a face piercing detracted from her looks slightly. I do recall noticing plenty of Coyotes having pantyhose on, in the past at other bars, so it would not be unusual.
It doesn't bother me that much that not all girls are barfinable. Other bars have the same thing. I will try to find out if there is an easy way to identify them. I am sure the topless girls will be barfinable.
Billboard also has lots of barfinable Coyotes. Can't say I noticed any pantyhose there either. So could be a connection. Perhaps not a 100% correlation. I mean I doubt the bar is going to have any rule that states a barfinable girl cannot wear pantyhose and non BFable girls can.
It's amazing that you guys who have no interest in bars are posting so much about them, and getting so hung up on whether a Coyote girl of no interest was wearing pantyhose.
I like to visit bars, if they have girl with the looks to attract me. I just seek to point out all the facts of importance as best I can about what is going on, or what I told about how it works (which could be distorted). However when I get any more or better info, I will report it.I believe the different outfits some Coyotes wear is the way to differentiate between the amount of barfine is required to take them out. In other words, those different kinds of skirts. Bikinis or whatever are not the tip off that they don't go barfine. It is the tights / pantyhose that is the far more telling garb for those who do not "have sex", as some of those so clad girls will say or, hopefully, won't barfine either. And that would be regardless what kind of skirt or bikini they wear, what color tag or button and so on.
If you look closer down below their boobs and butt, you should start noticing quite a few girls in Patpong and especially Soi Cowboy wearing those tights / pantyhose. Some nights there must be 80-90% of the "no go" Coyotes standing outside the bars on Soi Cowboy wearing tights / pantyhose. Ask them if they go barfine, the vast majority will either only smile sheepishly and say nothing (in hopes that you will mistakenly take that for a "yes" and go inside to start buying Ladydrinks) or they will come right out with it; "no". It HAD been a rarity in Nana Plaza. But after what I saw in Twisters that night it is clear they are testing the waters to see what they can get away with.
No, those girls are not wearing tights / pantyhose because the weather is cold. LOL. They wear them in the dead hottest middle of Hot Season. They wear them because they do not go barfine / do not "have sex".
What makes you think we (I) don't have interest in bars? These exchanges were largely triggered by my report after having gone into the Nana Plaza bars. I go to Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza bars to barfine girls quite often. I took one from Billboard just a couple of weeks ago.
And in a few years when all the gals are making enough in salary and lady drinks (and perhaps at some point lap dances) to pay their bills, all these dudes will complain that there are no gals to be bar fined anymore. That day is coming. And sooner than most guys think.Yes we already have the Arab introducing all his no sex bars. I do wish he would get no customers. I read he recently acquired Rawhide.
Nana of course has too many LB bars, and LBs creeping into several Cowboy bars.
If I can't get a pretty girl for take out, then the bars will have died their last death. No great interest in lap dances if they cost money, although I have had girls jiggling around on my lap because there are no spare seats. I guess it is fair to say the Crazy House lap dance costs you a lady drink. I am not aware if any guys actually pay a fee for it. Maybe a tip.
Saphan Kwai bars have lap dances. It serves the purpose to try to make guys more horny to decide to BF the girls or in some cases provide some titillation to guys that are not allowed to fuck (obeying the wife) or don't have the money to fuck. I forget the lapdance fee. Wasn't that high. I had just one out of curiosity.
Yawn yawn yawn. Next please. I think this stupid topic has been discussed to death. I agree with Asia Rain about the user blogs.Well, despite your personal objections to it, some of us just might continue to post our thoughts and experiences with it. That is ok with you, isn't it? Not that it matters. LOL.
Member #4591
09-06-16, 06:54
Ok guys, back to some good reporting instead if this crap about coyotes, it's getting really old. For the guys who want to dabble in the Thai mongering scene, I have been seeing some ladies they refer to as sideline girls from these websites. This basically means ladies who moonlight as escorts to pay tuition or support babies. However, its mostly a lot of students. These ladies place ads on the internet looking for customers, similar to Craigs List but more real and less bull shit. Most of the ads include photos, Mobile numbers, and Line IDs. Just add the ladies Line ID or give her a call. Few can speak English so try and send Thai using google to translate. Some real lookers, many between 18-25.
I asked permission beforehand from Jackson to post these links since they are kind of commercial. Here goes boys. ENJOY.
https://www.dek24sideline.com/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=43
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http://sidelinexxx.com/index.php?board=2.0
http://sidelinegroup.net
https://www.24sidelineth.com/forum-45-1.html
http://sexysideline.com/index.php?board=1.0
Similar to Sephan Kwai, some Thai skills are recommended. I have only be refused twice and I was told straight, no farang customers.
I wanted to post another comment about the Coyote girls wearing tights / pantyhose and I can't think of a better time than now; Haven't you guys who walk down Soi Cowboy past those lineups of sweet young things standing out there trying to entice you into the bar for some Ladydrink buying noticed how smooth, blemish-free, mark-free and, most striking of all, tatoo-free those girls' legs are? When was the last time you saw such a large group of young Thai girls without seeing tons of big, ugly tattoos all over their legs?
That's because most of them are wearing tights / pantyhose that cover those big, ugly tattoos. The tights / pantyhose are remarkably natural looking, matching their overall skin color quite nicely. I can understand how many less detail oriented or more distracted customers would miss seeing them. Which, btw, is what they are hoping you will miss until after at least one Ladydrink has been bought. lol.
I think it makes them look younger and more innocent, since it does such a good job of hiding those big, ugly tattoos that are no doubt underneath many of them.
But that isn't why they wear those tights / pantyhose either. They wear them to indicate they are girls who do not "have sex" and / or are not barfineable. There won't even be bare hands gliding across bare leg skin with those girls.
I believe the different outfits some Coyotes wear is the way to differentiate between the amount of barfine is required to take them out. In other words, those different kinds of skirts. Bikinis or whatever are not the tip off that they don't go barfine. It is the tights / pantyhose that is the far more telling garb for those who do not "have sex", as some of those so clad girls will say or, hopefully, won't barfine either. And that would be regardless what kind of skirt or bikini they wear, what color tag or button and so on.
No, those girls are not wearing tights / pantyhose because the weather is cold. LOL. They wear them in the dead hottest middle of Hot Season. They wear them because they do not go barfine / do not "have sex".
What makes you think we (I) don't have interest in bars? These exchanges were largely triggered by my report after having gone into the Nana Plaza bars. I go to Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza bars to barfine girls quite often. I took one from Billboard just a couple of weeks ago.Well great if you do like bars. My Billboard girl has been so good, that I never tried a different one, in there. She knows how to behave.
I honestly thought most Coyote girls were wearing pantyhose was because they wanted their legs to look smoother. The usual reason, as I have noticed some non barfinable Coyotes are not wearing pantyhose.
The traditional Coyote outfit is clearly very short cutoff shorts, not skirts or bikinis at all. So I would assume any girl not wearing the shorts would likely be barfinable. Any girl topless would be barfinable. Plenty of girls at Billboard wearing cutoff shorts are barfinable, as for my girl Tukataa.
Plenty of regular Coyotes wear boots, but I did not notice that being that case at Twisters. I did look at the feet of Naam Bpun in twisters. I wanted to see how tall the heels were. As she was very tall, I believe her normal high heal shoes had a heel of around only about 3 inches. I am sure she had no pantyhose on. Very sleek tan skin legs that I am sure I stroked at least once.
Member #4591
09-06-16, 07:06
And I couldn't think of a better time to give the last words to a wise man Syzygies and to use the trusty ignore button. Great post!
It's amazing that you guys who have no interest in bars are posting so much about them, and getting so hung up on whether a Coyote girl of no interest was wearing pantyhose.
I like to visit bars, if they have girl with the looks to attract me. I just seek to point out all the facts of importance as best I can about what is going on, or what I was told about how it works (which could be distorted). However when I get any more or better info, I will report it.
Member #4591
09-06-16, 07:16
Analogies are the device of weak minds, when it comes to proving something. For proof, they do nothing, they merely illustrate how you feel about a situation.Sorry, I like this one better. The last last words come from this wise man as well.
Uncle Volodya
09-06-16, 07:17
Ok guys, back to some good reporting instead if this crap about coyotes, it's getting really old. For the guys who want to dabble in the Thai mongering scene, I have been seeing some ladies they refer to as sideline girls from these websites. This basically means ladies who moonlight as escorts to pay tuition or support babies. However, its mostly a lot of students. These ladies place ads on the internet looking for customers, similar to Craigs List but more real and less bull shit. Most of the ads include photos, Mobile numbers, and Line IDs. Just add the ladies Line ID or give her a call. Few can speak English so try and send Thai using google to translate. Some real lookers, many between 18-25.
I asked permission beforehand from Jackson to post these links since they are kind of commercial. Here goes boys. ENJOY.
https://www.dek24sideline.com/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=43
https://69sideline.com
http://sidelinexxx.com/index.php?board=2.0
http://sidelinegroup.net
https://www.24sidelineth.com/forum-45-1.html
http://sexysideline.com/index.php?board=1.0
Similar to Sephan Kwai, some Thai skills are recommended. I have only be refused twice and I was told straight, no farang customers.Wow!
Thanks so much for this. This info is gold!
So you have actual experience taking these girls?
I may start learning Thai. 555.
Member #4591
09-06-16, 07:19
Wow!
Thanks so much for this. This info is gold!
So you have actual experience taking these girls?
I may start learning Thai. 555.My next 10 K date is with one of these ladies.
Well great if you do like bars. My Billboard girl has been so good, that I never tried a different one, in there. She knows how to behave.
I honestly thought most Coyote girls were wearing pantyhose was because they wanted their legs to look smoother. The usual reason, as I have noticed some non barfinable Coyotes are not wearing pantyhose.
The traditional Coyote outfit is clearly very short cutoff shorts, not skirts or bikinis at all. So I would assume any girl not wearing the shorts would likely be barfinable. Any girl topless would be barfinable. Plenty of girls at Billboard wearing cutoff shorts are barfinable, as for my girl Tukataa.
Plenty of regular Coyotes wear boots, but I did not notice that being that case at Twisters. I did look at the feet of Naam Bpun in twisters. I wanted to see how tall the heels were. As she was very tall, I believe her normal high heal shoes had a heel of around only about 3 inches. I am sure she had no pantyhose on. Very sleek tan skin legs that I am sure I stroked at least once.Yes, I am sure there are some Coyotes and even non-Coyotes by any definition who will not go barfine, as is their choice. And I do not consider a Coyote whose barfine is double what the going rate is in her bar to be part of a scam. It is reasonable to see the how and why some girls would command more money than their co-workers in a venue. In fact, I have spoken highly here of my experiences with "Special" girls in the upstairs Mandarin Bar in Nana Plaza who require a 1500 baht barfine vs the regular 700 baht (I think) barfine. I would not consider that kind of upcharge for some girls to be a scam as long as the girls are providing something better than the norm. My experiences with three of those girls over the past year or so were noticeably better than the norm.
However, the 3,000 baht Coyote barfine at Cowboy 2 Bar on Soi Cowboy is where it moves into scam territory IMO because it is so high as to clearly intend to prevent customers from barfining the girls and cannot possibly represent a reasonable upcharge for more or better anything beyond what you'd get from the non-Coyotes there.
So Coyotes wearing different garb might only mean different barfine rates, not that they don't go barfine at all. However, I would be surprised to find out a significant number of Coyotes wearing those tights / pantyhose in and around the bars also have barfine rates that can be quoted or offered, upcharged or not.
Ok guys, back to some good reporting instead if this crap about coyotes, it's getting really old. For the guys who want to dabble in the Thai mongering scene, I have been seeing some ladies they refer to as sideline girls from these websites. This basically means ladies who moonlight as escorts to pay tuition or support babies. However, its mostly a lot of students. These ladies place ads on the internet looking for customers, similar to Craigs List but more real and less bull shit. Most of the ads include photos, Mobile numbers, and Line IDs. Just add the ladies Line ID or give her a call. Few can speak English so try and send Thai using google to translate. Some real lookers, many between 18-25.
I asked permission beforehand from Jackson to post these links since they are kind of commercial. Here goes boys. ENJOY.
https://www.dek24sideline.com/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=43
Thanks Pal.
On dek24, I had to open Kamyui, since was same name of a girl I enjoyed at Can Cam massage some time ago.
Wasn't same girl, however I was really amused by her post:
สาวอ้วนรับงานลาดพร้าว เป็นกันเอง ไอดีanny1325 Translatation: Fat girl will take customers in Lat Prao (friendly service)
kamyui
รับงาน1000/1น้ำ เพิ่มน้ำละ500 ไม่รวมห้อง ไม่ก้น ไม่สด ไม่แตกปาก
Translate literal: takes work, 1000 per water, top up water for 500, does not include room fee, no bottom, no fresh/raw, no break mouth
Meaning (my best guess): 1000 per fuck, 500 for each additional shot, pay for room separate, no anal, no BBFS, no CIM.
Not all girls are cheap. On another site Piano looked quite cute in the pics (only a percentage are to my taste), so I guess she is like an escort:
ชื่อ: piano ka (Name Piano - also uses Aor elsewhere)
เพศ: หญิงแท้ (Gender: real Woman)
สิ่งที่ทำ (Service): เยส (Yes?) โมคสด (BBBJ) เลียน้องสาว (DATY) 69 ขึ้นให้ (Cowgirl) จับนม (grab tits allowed) ดูดนม (suck tits) จูบแลกลิ้น (DFK) อาบน้ำให้ (Shower together)
สถานที่รับงาน: (district) จังหวัดกรุงเทพมหานคร (Bangkok)
ห้องรับงาน: (workplace) โรงแรม (Hotel)
ค่าใช้จ่าย (The fees)
น้ำแรก: 4000บาท (First shot 4K)
น้ำสอง: จ่ายเพิ่มอีก2000บาท (2nd shot 2k)
ค่าห้อง: 460บาท (room fee)
Vital Stats were also given.
The one detail missing really was how much time you can get for your pops.
The sites seem to have real pics, although naturally some are shopped (e.g. to do big eyes etc.)
Was nice for me to pick up some new to me (or variations from what I use) Thai Euphemisms for services:
โมคสด ("Moke Sot") = Smoke Raw (BBBJ) Moke is short for "Smoke"
เลียน้องสาว ("lia Nong Saow") = Lick the Younger Sister (Pussy) (DATY)
ขึ้นให้ ("Kheun Hai") = Go up for you (Cowgirl I guess)
จูบแลกลิ้น ("Joop Laek Lin") = Kiss with tongue exchange (DFK)
Uncle Volodya
09-06-16, 07:29
My next 10 K date is with one of these ladies.How much Thai do you have to know to take advantage of this resource?
Member #4591
09-06-16, 07:31
How much Thai do you have to know to take advantage of this resource?Like I said, use google translate to help you make the date and some can write English but can't speak. I have taken out 9 so far and like I said, number 10 is coming soon.
Banana Boi
09-06-16, 07:44
Yes, I am sure there are some Coyotes and even non-Coyotes by any definition who will not go barfine, as is their choice. And I do not consider a Coyote whose barfine is double what the going rate is in her bar to be part of a scam. It is reasonable to see the how and why some girls would command more money than their co-workers in a venue.I don't agree with the different levels of barfine in a gogo club. If the girl is hotter it should be up to the girl to ask more for ST / LT, not the bar.
Even if they BF, I have run into some girls at Sapphire where even if they BF they will not boom boom. They will only go eat and go to discos.
How much do girls get from the BF? The worst I heard was 125 out of 1000. I know girls like BF since it counts towards their weekly drink quotas. when the girl is desperate to meet her drink quota I have used this to my advantage to BF her and take her out like it was her day off.
I don't agree with the different levels of barfine in a gogo club. If the girl is hotter it should be up to the girl to ask more for ST / LT, not the bar.
Even if they BF, I have run into some girls at Sapphire where even if they BF they will not boom boom. They will only go eat and go to discos.
How much do girls get from the BF? The worst I heard was 125 out of 1000. I know girls like BF since it counts towards their weekly drink quotas. when the girl is desperate to meet her drink quota I have used this to my advantage to BF her and take her out like it was her day off.I see what you mean about the different levels of barfine in a gogo bar. However, my impression of the situation in Mandarin, where I have paid the 1,500 barfine for their "Special" girls vs the regular 700 baht barfine, is that the management has some control over either screening the girls to find out what they are up for before granting them "Special" staus or move them up to "Special" status when it becomes known or fairly well established that they are not likely to pull any of the usual "Yes in the bar / No in the room" tricks too many other bargirls pull.
We know that many times a go-go girl gets nothing but lousy feedback from disappointed customers when they pull tricks like that but the bar management doesn't give a shit as long as she continues to help them sell more Ladydrinks and so on. So those girls keep working in their bars and everyone just shrugs off whatever crap service she is actually providing after agreeing to much better than crap service in the bar; "Yes in the bar/No in the room"
But if the bar is willing to monitor this and actually give a shit about it enough to grant to girls who never or rarely pull a "Yes in the bar / No in the room" trick a status or designation that makes them more desirable to customers because it is implied that they will provide a more certain happy outcome for their customers with no tricks, I will happily pay a reasonable upcharge for that kind of management involvement even if the bar gets all of it and the girl only gets what you agree to pay her separately.
Like I said, use google translate to help you make the date and some can write English but can't speak. I have taken out 9 so far and like I said, number 10 is coming soon.
You do have the web page translations these days, but Google Translate does not do as good a job of translating Thai to English as it would do for say German, as an example.
Here is a sample of Google Translate and my translate in brackets:
Name: piano ka (Name Piano - also uses Aor elsewhere).
Female McCoy (Gender: real Woman).
What to do (Service): Yes (Yes?) Ormoc fresh (BBBJ) Mongolian sister (DATY) up to (Cowgirl) hold milk (grab tits allowed) milk (suck tits) kisses exchanged tongue (DFK) bath water (shower together)
Where to Get the Job: (district), Bangkok (Bangkok).
Get a job: (workplace) Hotels (Hotel).
Expenses (The fees).
Water early 4000 baht (First shot 4K).
Water: Pay an extra 2000 baht (2nd shot 2k).
Room: 460 baht (room fee).
You can see that sometimes the Google Translate can be a little Baffling. Like "Ormoc Fresh" should be "Smoke Fresh", and "Mongolian Sister" should be "Lick the Younger Sister". How it managed Mongolian, I don't know.
Female McCoy means the Real McCoy LOL. Sometimes we see เพศ: สาวสองยังไม่ผ่า which means Gender: girl 2nd (type) not yet surgically removed (dick).
Ladyboys in Thailand are known as girls of the 2nd type.
Do you find some other translator online does better than Google?
I don't agree with the different levels of barfine in a gogo club. If the girl is hotter it should be up to the girl to ask more for ST / LT, not the bar.
In some bars, like Dollhouse, they introduced a rule that Coyote girl could not be barfined before a certain time nor before she had sold at least x number of drinks. I did not like it of course, because I like to take girls for ST early in the evening. The fact that I only needed her for an hour, did not sway their rule. So girl had to be ruled out.
Typically Coyotes have high barfine price early and it may decrease at Midnight.
In a bar like Mercury, If Palm was not present, would cause me to leave soon enough, given Noi was also away. So there was some upside to Palm typically being barfined very late when the price had dropped. I am not trying to apologise for the bar at all. Merely explaining what I believe to be the situation.
Once the really hot girls for looks and maybe dancing ability leave the bar, the power to pull customers ability of the bar staff drops significantly, the drinks sold can drop significantly too. They want to hold the hot Coyotes in the bar for as long as possible, and so levy high barfines on them. The BF is some compensation for the potential loss of drinks revenue, but probably does not cover it fully for the hottest girls like Palm. Palm would have multiple customers concurrently wanting to have her sit with them and receive drinks. Not many other Coyotes had that same level. One or two Coyotes that fuck had some competition for them as well, but they did not distract me much from Palm, the classy stunner.
Different girls have vastly different customer pulling power, and drinks selling potential. Hence makes some sense that the barfine values might vary. It is not purely looks, but playfulness, ability to make fun and conversation count too.
It is not clear to me why Billboard has designated so many girls (all non topless girls) to be Coyotes. Twisters uses it as an excuse to set BF higher. Billboard does not. It is a very bad trend though to be seeing so many Coyotes with too much clothing cover, particularly I cannot see how good are Coyote girl tits. Some Coyotes have a huge bump under a very solid bra that hides zero tits. I prefer girls to be dressed maximum in bikini but no top on. The Topless Twisters girls really looked superb (80% of them).
I prefer to see more nudity. If twisters girls were all naked, I would be in heaven. Then again if they were prepared to go naked, they probably would be working in Crazy House, where they could make a killing, with multiple STs per night. They probably think they are too good to be in a more raunchy place like CH.
But if the bar is willing to monitor this and actually give a shit about it enough to grant to girls who never or rarely pull a "Yes in the bar / No in the room" trick a status or designation that makes them more desirable to customers because it is implied that they will provide a more certain happy outcome for their customers with no tricks, I will happily pay a reasonable upcharge for that kind of management involvement even if the bar gets all of it and the girl only gets what you agree to pay her separately.The mamasans are pretty useless IMHO, and if get involved largely just cause problems. They are there to help (or hinder) negotiations when girl and customer cannot speak the same language, naturally.
Many bargirls go with me without specifying a price. My Billboard girl for example. Masasans would stuff that up, quick and lively.
I like to cultivate a smart and helpful waitress in bars that can give me the thumbs up or thumbs down about a girl, based on whether customers are generally happy with the girl or whether the girl is reliable. The waitress gets her rewards. In Crazy House this was little S1. She seemed miles smarter than most of the other waitresses. She had experience and efficiency in working Corner Bar with Live music previously and the boss wanted her to change to CH, so she was given the number 1 badge for Service staff S1. Some waitresses were really annoying, error prone, and just dumb. Quite a few service staff are LBs, so I don't like to get too cuddly with those. Also Noi number 83, would give me her opinions on other girls. She used to be a waitress too.
Warning for Billboard (I have mentioned before), the big fat mamasan at Billboard is not to be trusted. She stole 300 Baht change from my barfine at CH closing time one day, by simply disappearing. The bar was closed but she was no where to be found. She got fired from CH and Mercury bars in succession. I completely ignore her. I tell my girl to use a different mamasan. It can be worthwhile to have exact money for a BF to avoid waiting a very long time for change by bad mamasans. I know the tactic is their hope you will forget the change and leave.
Since This Is Thailand, if you aren't pleased with the set of directions or information you get from the first person you ask because you assume they would be "in the know", just ask another person you assume would be "in the know" and you are sure to get a different response. BTW, that also goes for all of us on these forums and the guys you meet in the bars, restaurants and on the prowl and is not confined to native born Thai people. It really is the whole darn country and environment, not just the people who were born here. Or you can go for three different responses and ask a third. LOL. That is exactly what I did on a second recent visit to Twister Bar last night between 10 pm and Midnight.
I was with one of my regular, non pro girlfriends last night, Tuesday night, and, after an hour funeral service for a departed friend, we decided it would be a good followup to cruise around Nana Plaza and take in a few beers. Being with a date already, I thought it would be interesting to give Twister Bar a second look as merely a drinker, not a Ladydrink buyer or barfiner. We sat in the booths on the left side of the bar as you walk through the curtains. A few things I immediately noticed was the lineup was not as good in the looks department as it was over the weekend, there appeared to be about 20-25% of the girls on the stage (of two stages in the bar) on our side, the left side, wearing pantyhose and the 3-4 girls who went topless were all on the right side stage, quite a distance from where we sat on the left so I could not really get a handle on how many of those girls, if any, were wearing pantyhose. That was the way it remained for the next two hours, through a few dancer change ups on both sides; the pantyhose wearing girls seemed mostly to dance on the left side stage while the few topless girls per dance shift were on the right side stage.
The girls wearing pantyhose were easily among the youngest and peachiest looking in the bar. Not necessarily the best bodies. There were a couple of other girls, not wearing pantyhose, walking around who had better bodies, imo. But the pantyhose girls were clearly the more Sweet Young Thing dancers on the stage.
I was with a date so waited until she went to the toilet to ask someone again about the pantyhose girls re barfines. I didn't see the same mamasan I'd asked over the weekend, the one who said of the pantyhose wearing girls, "oh, dance only and get Ladydrink, no barfine. " I wanted to ask the papasan with the flashlight pointer sporting a ponytail and wearing a Minnie Mouse-style polka-dot headband with a cute little bow on it, but he was nowhere to be found when my date left me alone to go to the toilet. So I asked our waitress who was standing close-by. "See the girls wearing pantyhose?" Gesturing to the girls and miming a stretch pull on imaginary pantyhose near her leg. "Do they go barfine?" I only got a shrug. This waitress didn't know. So she quickly went to another waitress and brought her over to see if she knew. "Yes," she said, "all the girls go barfine, 1000 baht. Then 3,000 baht to the girl for ST. "
So now I had three different answers to this question from three people who you might think would be "in the know" about it; one No, one I Don't Know, and one Yes. Then I asked the even more important question; "After you pay the barfine (1000 baht for all the dancers in the bar according to these two waitresses), do those girls wearing pantyhose have sex with the customer or just go out with him?" I got two shrugs to that question. Not reliable and inconclusive, I know. I would have asked one of the pantyhose girls directly but this night I was with another lady so that was not in the cards.
Here are some other things I observed last night. As Sweet Young Thing types as the pantyhose wearing girls were, the most in that regard of any in the bar IMO, only 1 out of about 10 altogether was pulled down from the stage to have a Ladydrink and I saw none of them milling around between dance sets approaching customers. She was asked to come down by the apparent "ringleader" of a group of Japanese guys who came in about 11 pm and sat exactly ringside to the left side stage across from where I was sitting. He engaged in a bit of conversation with the Minnie Mouse bow headband fellow before choosing who he apparently thought was the right girl for the, well, youngest and cutest of the Japanese guys in his group. She sat next to that particular Japanese customer, seemed to be having a good time teasing him and rubbing her butt in his lap, but it went nowhere. After about 15 minutes, the girl went back onstage and resumed dancing. It seemed to me no deal was struck even though they were chatting it up throughout the sit.
At Midnight, just as my date and I were about to leave, there were several girls missing from the stage lineups, but virtually all of the pantyhose wearing girls were still there, had not been barfined by anyone during the 10 pm-Midnight time frame. And I saw only 1 of them even sitting with a customer, having been brought down to do so by someone other than that customer but by the ringleader of that group who seemed intent on making a match for a few of them this night. No take-away matches were made after they'd spent an hour sitting ringside on the pantyhose girl side of the stages and they left just before my date and I did.
I believe those pantyhose do indicate something more than a fashion statement or a comfort issue. Are they as much of a "no go" indicator in Nana Plaza bars as they are in Patpong and Soi Cowboy? I hope not. Before we left Nana Plaza, we stopped into Suckers Bar and downstairs Mandarin on the second floor. None of the girls in either bar were wearing pantyhose. I guess I will have to test the waters myself or at least get it more directly from one or more of those girls at Twister Bar in order to really know. Problem is, I wasn't all that visually impressed or inspired by the entire lineup on this night, including the SYT pantyhose wearing girls. I would need to take a look through the curtain next time before I commit to entering and buying a drink in order to find out.
The mamasans are pretty useless IMHO, and if get involved largely just cause problems. They are there to help (or hinder) negotiations when girl and customer cannot speak the same language, naturally.I agree. In my experiences with the "Special" (Coyote?) girls in upstairs Mandarin, I didn't get the mamasans involved or allow them to get involved. One of them in particular tries very hard to convince me to buy her a Ladydrink after I have closed the deal with the girl and handed her the barfine. I did buy her a Ladydrink once a long time ago but have merely smiled and indicated "no" ever since. Hasn't changed the level of satisfying service I get from the girls I take one bit. I was talking about something that is done or screened out behind the scenes in order to decide which of their girls lands on the "Special" girl list with a 1,500 baht barfine. I don't think it is all about youth and looks. Some of the non "Special" girls whose barfine is the regular 700 baht rate are as young and better looking than a few of the "Special" girls.
However, unlike your experience, I have not found the waitresses to be worth a damn either. No one knows what really goes on after the bedroom door closes except the players directly involved. I wouldn't even trust a waitress or mamasan to give reliable intel on how many repeat customers a particular girl gets or whether she gets any repeats customers at all.
For the first time in I don't know how long. A friend is in town and he was on the hunt so I decided to meet him there. The night certainly cemented in my head the reasons I don't frequent GoGo.
Billboard was the place, and while there were some decent bodies to be seen, there were only one or two faces that I found the least bit attractive. The others being victims of bad plastic surgery or were a bit too hard Isaan for my liking. But again, some nice bodies to glance at.
First issue, the music. Awful dance music. Just can't tolerate it. Back in the day GoGos played some top 40, rock, hip hop, and it was much better. The inane dance music is a real irritant. Second issue, you have to listen to, "I want go with you. " "I want toilet. " "You pay bar. " Etc. Heard that from the gal siting on the lap of an Asian fellow next to us. I can understand why less frequent visitors, first timers, et al enjoy this. But for me it is a complete pecker wilting experience to have to sit with and attempt to interact with someone who has as little to offer conversation wise as these gals do. Sure, there are exceptions, but yesh, 2 min of that and my mind feels like it is going to melt. Third, the cost of taking them out and rolling the dice on performance. Just can't see paying over 100 USD for these gals when all is said and done. Would gladly pay a bit more than I pay in an oily if the performance was the same, but I am certain it would not be. I must add that Leos were only 140 which is expensive but not completely awful. That was the one surprise.
Really just don't like the atmosphere to tell you the truth. If I have to GoGO give me a small non-glitzy bar like Cactus in Cowboy where the girls are naked and there is raunch to be found.
So in short, I am glad there are dudes out there who enjoy this. More power to you. I am not one of you.
First issue, the music. Awful dance music. Just can't tolerate it. Back in the day GoGos played some top 40, rock, hip hop, and it was much better. The inane dance music is a real irritant. Second issue, you have to listen to, "I want go with you. " "I want toilet. " "You pay bar. " Etc. Heard that from the gal siting on the lap of an Asian fellow next to us. I can understand why less frequent visitors, first timers, et al enjoy this. But for me it is a complete pecker wilting experience to have to sit with and attempt to interact with someone who has as little to offer conversation wise as these gals do. Well I agree that most bars have DJs making bad selection of music. Mercury bar has two DJs. The young one working the earlier hours, picks horrible dance noise type of disco "music". That later one actually picks some fun songs both Farang and a few Thai ones. A gogo should not be a disco. Music should be more enjoyable to the patrons, not the DJ. Should play songs almost fully, and not try to blend them, every 30 seconds.
The "music" is too loud which can wreck chances of conversation. Conversation is a bit over rated. I don't go in a bar for an intellectual conversation. LOL I am assisted to be able to discuss plenty of topics due to speaking Thai, but one girl seemed to not speak with BB at all, maybe she spoke only Thai (or very shy). When I can't hear girls over the DJ's stuff, girls tend to speak extra loud direct in my ear, which only makes things worse. Not many understand, that the correct technique is to speak slowly and very clearly and distinctly to overcome the noise. Helps with hearing and lip reading. Girls that are drunk become much harder to understand, too fast and slurred speech.
You don't have to interact with girls at all. You can ignore them. Or you can just sit quietly without making conversation. No one is forcing you to try to come up with something to say. If I have nothing to say, I am quite relaxed to be just silent for a period. Nothing worse than girls that yack non stop in my opinion. Relatively quiet is okay By me. As soon as the girl gives me the impression she is putting on an act or not being her real self, I loose interest very quick. This was case last CrazyH visit that I called a new girl to me. It's not too unusual that chemistry doesn't work well. Better to find that out fast.
However, unlike your experience, I have not found the waitresses to be worth a damn either. No one knows what really goes on after the bedroom door closes except the players directly involved. I wouldn't even trust a waitress or mamasan to give reliable intel on how many repeat customers a particular girl gets or whether she gets any repeats customers at all.You have to find the right waitress. I find when we have a long term relationship, the waitress can have useful knowledge. 90%+ of waitresses are too dumb.
I was with one of my regular, non pro girlfriends last night, Tuesday night, and, after an hour funeral service for a departed friend, we decided it would be a good followup to cruise around Nana Plaza and take in a few beers. Being with a date already, I thought it would be interesting to give Twister Bar a second look as merely a drinker, not a Ladydrink buyer or barfiner. We sat in the booths on the left side of the bar as you walk through the curtains. A few things I immediately noticed was the lineup was not as good in the looks department as it was over the weekend, there appeared to be about 20-25% of the girls on the stage (of two stages in the bar) on our side, the left side, wearing pantyhose and the 3-4 girls who went topless were all on the right side stage, quite a distance from where we sat on the left so I could not really get a handle on how many of those girls, if any, were wearing pantyhose. That was the way it remained for the next two hours, through a few dancer change ups on both sides; the pantyhose wearing girls seemed mostly to dance on the left side stage while the few topless girls per dance shift were on the right side stage.
I was located to the right of the right hand stage. I could not see the girls on left hand stage too well at all. Perhaps as you say most girls wearing pantyhose are on the left stage.
Agree many waitresses don't know much. Their info is unreliable. Long term experienced waitresses are better. Obviously you have to ask specific girls if they fuck. Not easy to get a conclusive view from anyone else.
Agreed that line ups can vary a lot. Strangely Crazy House has worse line up on Friday and Saturday for my taste than a more quiet day. Seems that some of the top looks girls take Friday and Saturday off on the basis there maybe a lot more low class raunchy girls working.
At Suzi Wong I had a long term acquaintance with waitress Yao (also Aor). Yao could not be fucked as she was married to the bar DJ (that worked in Sheba). She would definitely tell me secretly which girls were good or bad for BF. She would warn me not to choose certain girls. I did get good tips.
Ok guys, back to some good reporting instead if this crap about coyotes, it's getting really old. For the guys who want to dabble in the Thai mongering scene, I have been seeing some ladies they refer to as sideline girls from these websites. This basically means ladies who moonlight as escorts to pay tuition or support babies. However, its mostly a lot of students. These ladies place ads on the internet looking for customers, similar to Craigs List but more real and less bull shit. Most of the ads include photos, Mobile numbers, and Line IDs. Just add the ladies Line ID or give her a call. Few can speak English so try and send Thai using google to translate. Some real lookers, many between 18-25.
I asked permission beforehand from Jackson to post these links since they are kind of commercial. Here goes boys. ENJOY.
https://www.dek24sideline.com/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=43
https://69sideline.com
http://sidelinexxx.com/index.php?board=2.0
http://sidelinegroup.net
https://www.24sidelineth.com/forum-45-1.html
http://sexysideline.com/index.php?board=1.0
Similar to Sephan Kwai, some Thai skills are recommended. I have only be refused twice and I was told straight, no farang customers.There was some guy with a website called livingthai who used to talk about this ages ago. How does it actually work in practice though? You book a time and then turn up at her apartment? Seems a bit awkward with the neighbours and staff and everything.
There was some guy with a website called livingthai who used to talk about this ages ago. How does it actually work in practice though? You book a time and then turn up at her apartment? Seems a bit awkward with the neighbours and staff and everything.It is clear to me from the Ads that most girls expect to meet you at a ST Hotel or your Hotel if near, and very few take you to their own room. Typical Room price is quoted as 300 Baht. So that won't be her room, in most cases. There was one exception girl who quoted Hotel, Your room, or her room. I was only slightly surprised. Thai girls have taken me to their private room before in the past, even to stay for several days.
Recognise that some girls are located in Lat Prao, or The Mall Tha Phra Bang Khae (Thonburi side), so you have to be prepared to go to their location sometimes. It won't always be convenient location. Some girls may be much closer hopefully or prepared to come to you if not too far. They don't want to trust customers too much though. Girls do have trouble with guys wasting their time, particularly young Thai men. Demand too much and they will lose interest very quick. They have too much shit to put up with like guys wanting CIM, or anal for example. These girls will not be pornstars. Almost all of them advertise DFK, but very few advertise CIM is allowed, nor BBFS, nor anal. Extra shots, pay extra.
What is not specified at all is how much time they are willing to give for a shot. My problem is I don't cum quick, even when girl has set a low price. I may have to pay for 2 hots just to keep them happy, since my duration for 1 shot maybe similar to two shot guys. I would like to keep girls happy, if I want to repeat of course.
I have found 2 or 3 girls pretty enough to maybe give a try, if it is worth the effort. I may to pay VIP membership to get to best girls, I don't know. Making contact with girls this way is a bit of effort for me. It takes time. It is a lot easier to just walk into a disco and pick out a hot girl and see if she is up for DFK and sex. That is what worked for me at Billboard. I only wanted ST so far. However these private girls can have quite good rates for all night sometimes.
So you have to weigh up how much effort you want to put in, how long you want a girl for, whether low price is important, whether figure and face is very important, whether conversation is important. On other hand, try everything and see what you like. I am yet to try Escort, but surely I must if can find the right natural pretty girl.
I can't see the location mentioned in many of those ads. I live out in the suburbs myself so it would be great if I could easily find a girl near me. I speak Thai at intermediate level but it seems you would need more than 'some Thai' to be able to follow a girl on the phone probably speaking very quickly telling you the name and address of a short time hotel in an area you've never been to before.
What is not specified at all is how much time they are willing to give for a shot. My problem is I don't cum quick, even when girl has set a low price. I may have to pay for 2 hots just to keep them happy, since my duration for 1 shot maybe similar to two shot guys. I would like to keep girls happy, if I want to repeat of course.
You should try to keep them happy whether or not you want to repeat. We don't want a bunch of girls thinking 'damn, I'm never fucking a farang again after that guy who took forever to finish'.
You should try to keep them happy whether or not you want to repeat. We don't want a bunch of girls thinking 'damn, I'm never fucking a farang again after that guy who took forever to finish'.Ha ha. I am actually a very fair guy. I pay girls according to their effort and how good they were. I don't rip them off in any way. Likewise I expect them to give me a fair deal too.
May have been the odd girl in my history where I cancelled the session before actually fucking them. When there was no kissing, no DATY, no touching etc. , no BJ. In this case I would have only paid them something token for using a few minutes of their time and seeing them naked. If I actually fuck them, I feel minimum payment for the fuck is required, no matter how bad they were.
We also don't want girls who think they get a their money for a quickie where the guy spritzes his first shot in less than 10 minutes. I think a lot of Thermae girls are getting to expect very quick session turnovers. This is not good. And BB complained one of his girls had so little stamina, she could hardly walk the short distance to the Hotel, without being worn out. 1 hour is my minimum time for a ST session. I prefer to go longer if possible but that is not all fucking time of course. I take at least 90 minutes in MPs.
I can't see the location mentioned in many of those ads. I live out in the suburbs myself so it would be great if I could easily find a girl near me. I speak Thai at intermediate level but it seems you would need more than 'some Thai' to be able to follow a girl on the phone probably speaking very quickly telling you the name and address of a short time hotel in an area you've never been to before.Many girls will provide a LINE App ID. She can message the meeting place address. Some ads mention the location some do not. Might as well decide if you like the girl first. Very few pass that test for me. Then LINE to check where she is or where she is prepared to go. At least she should be able to do Address Location in English, hopefully. You really must have in writing the meeting place. Thais have habit of being terribly vague at times, and make assumptions.
BKKDog will have to comment on the reliability of the girls.
Here is example girl add:
https://www.dek24sideline.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=128493&extra=page%3D1
Says she is voluptuous (not for me) and specifies no kiss on mouth. No CIM. No BBFS. Everything else O.K. LOL What else is there? (I am sure she did not even think of anal).
Accepts work at BTS Bang Na, Bearing, Theepharak, Phuchao Saming Phray, PhraPradaeng, etc. These are locations reasonably convenient to her (by motorcycle I guess). Not that far from me, only a few BTS stops, even I have never been to Phra Pradaeng.
Read another add where girl would only meet customer outside Seacon, Bang Kae, no exceptions (in Thonburi). That is far too far for me, unless she was super stunning.
I have added some girls I like the look of (slim to skinny) to my LINE contacts. I can see I might have to go to Lat Prao area.
Uncle Volodya
09-07-16, 08:57
Thanks for taking the plunge Szygisz. I will read about your progress with this project with great interest.
A big problem with these internet hookups is that very often girls look so much worse than in fotos. I had a lot of trouble with this with girls I met on Badoo and Thai Friendly. I even had to ditch a few of them.
With today's technology girls easily beautify their pics with just a few swipes of the finger.
Something to keep in mind.
Goatscrot,
You talk about the very Isaan look that is so boring for you.
How about this girl pictured from the MyPrincess web site. I hate the look of most girls on My Princess but this girl pictured, has a very Thai look about her, not even slightly Westernised. She looks fine for my taste. I could easily take her, indeed I might try. Note the unmodified nose (hardly any nose bridge and upturned). Bigger than average lips I like. Slim but curvy. Likely small tits.
If you don't like this strongly Thai look, where is the problem? I the skin too dark? Do you like high nose bridge or hooked noses? Is the jaw O.K.?
I really hope this is the real girl look.
Many girls will provide a LINE App ID. She can message the meeting place address. Some ads mention the location some do not. Might as well decide if you like the girl first. Very few pass that test for me. Then LINE to check where she is or where she is prepared to go. At least she should be able to do Address Location in English, hopefully. You really must have in writing the meeting place. Thais have habit of being terribly vague at times, and make assumptions.
What's the point in finding out you like her only to find you'd have to spend hours to get there? None of those girls are worth that.
I have added some girls I like the look of (slim to skinny) to my LINE contacts. I can see I might have to go to Lat Prao area.I bet they're Ramkhamhaeng University girls. It's an open university that has about half a million students.
What's the point in finding out you like her only to find you'd have to spend hours to get there? None of those girls are worth that.
I won't bother if she is not worth it. Sure I won't go to Thonburi. I have found some pretty ones. I am not going to specify them yet. I don't want the competition.
A lot of girls on these sites are wearing student outfit, so Uni students is quite possible. They may have to fund their studies, and rent, etc.
What's the point to finding a girl in your area, that is completely non doable to your specs? I look for something special for a good price. Maybe you look for any old fuck will do. There are some massage shops not too far from me and Udom Suk bars if I want really close. I prefer not to monger too close to home. I already bump into P4 P girls I have fucked before at On Nut BTS. That is close enough thankyou.
Sometime you can bump into a P4 P girl, and then wrack your brains, where the hell did I meet her? Did I fuck her? Etc.
Thanks for taking the plunge Szygisz. I will read about your progress with this project with great interest.
A big problem with these internet hookups is that very often girls look so much worse than in fotos. I had a lot of trouble with this with girls I met on Badoo and Thai Friendly. I even had to ditch a few of them.
With today's technology girls easily beautify their pics with just a few swipes of the finger.
Something to keep in mind.Once you have a LINE Hookup, you can do a short video call to make sure she looks good enough I suppose. Will help convince her I am sincere as well if she looks good. I haven't yet worked out when these girls will become a priority to try. I want to try Twisters again first, also Black Pagoda, maybe even visit Pattaya a few days. The hottest looking skinny girl I found, indicates on her LINE profile she is not available currently. Could be away on holiday.
Also Donut from Crazy House will take priority any time she might return from her studies. She is just perfect for me, body face and GFE, excepting teeth braces and consequential BBBJ just average. Taking a Thermae girl is not very high priority right now nor the freelancers in Nana Carpark (who are mostly a bit ordinary for the performance - one good enough to repeat).
There are so many options. I will repeat regulars if no stunner available to really tempt me.
Most of them seem to be in the Bang Na area. There's got to be some kind of organisation going on there. I wonder if they really are students or if the whole thing is organised by pimps with girls brought down from the north. They have a generic look about them.
Most of them seem to be in the Bang Na area. There's got to be some kind of organisation going on there. I wonder if they really are students or if the whole thing is organised by pimps with girls brought down from the north. They have a generic look about them.I found ads from lots of different areas, with Lat Prao dominating just a little. No generic look other than a few too many had nose jobs of course. Some fatter or older girls going cheap. Some very young looking (even 18) usually cost more.
Goatscrot,
You talk about the very Isaan look that is so boring for you.
How about this girl pictured from the MyPrincess web site. I hate the look of most girls on My Princess but this girl pictured, has a very Thai look about her, not even slightly Westernised. She looks fine for my taste. I could easily take her, indeed I might try. Note the unmodified nose (hardly any nose bridge and upturned). Bigger than average lips I like. Slim but curvy. Likely small tits.
If you don't like this strongly Thai look, where is the problem? I the skin too dark? Do you like high nose bridge or hooked noses? Is the jaw O.K.?
I really hope this is the real girl look.I guess the pics could fool me and she could be a lot more chunky than what I expect at 53 Kg. 46 Kg. For 163 cm might be more my type.
Posts #36490 and #36497? Hmm. But the most recent post prior to this one is #35635. Are you talking about another thread or did I miss something?Hey,
There are 2 post by Syzy that I was commenting on the BKK forum and thought he had great advice on dealing w / the BKK BGs. I wanted to express my appreciation. In general the last few pages have been very good intel and method of operation on BKK.
I'm in Makati now and just starting to recover from the long long flight. I hit the ground running last night and checked the Burgos scene and it was not close to the quality in BKK. I suspect that the scene fluctuates and should be better tonight. I went out at 1:30 in the morning and not much left at Kojax / Plan be which are Burgos premiere bars. I hope things improve. I wish the PI had the the quality Thailand has.
Cheers.
Member #4591
09-07-16, 11:31
Guys, it is not about reliability, area, good pics bad pics, and restrictions. It is about your Thai language skills, trust from the lady, your negotiation skills, and generosity. I have been with 9 or 10 girls from these sites. I have never translated a word of Thai from those long ads and the desriptions. I simply make contact on Line or mobile phone and talk.
It's simple guys. I have introduced another avenue other than Sephan Kwai to indulge in the Thai mongering scene. Believe it or not, the girls are quite different than the ones we meet in our normal haunts on Suk. They live in normal Thai neighborhoods like Lat Phrao, Bangna, Near the airport and so on. Some will never have been with a foreigner and rarely even seen one as well. It is not for everyone but I happen to love the white skinned beauties with nicely done fake bolt ONS, beautiful rear ends, and that stuck up Thai High So atitude. I would like to Plan a trip over to Kush or the Pimp for that very reason.
I found ads from lots of different areas, with Lat Prao dominating just a little. No generic look other than a few too many had nose jobs of course. Some fatter or older girls going cheap. Some very young looking (even 18) usually cost more.I was looking at the first link and didn't find any Lad Phrao. Which link is that?
Goatscrot,
You talk about the very Isaan look that is so boring for you.
How about this girl pictured from the MyPrincess web site. I hate the look of most girls on My Princess but this girl pictured, has a very Thai look about her, not even slightly Westernised. She looks fine for my taste. I could easily take her, indeed I might try. Note the unmodified nose (hardly any nose bridge and upturned). Bigger than average lips I like. Slim but curvy. Likely small tits.
If you don't like this strongly Thai look, where is the problem? I the skin too dark? Do you like high nose bridge or hooked noses? Is the jaw O.K.?
I really hope this is the real girl look.Nah, that just does not do it for me. Really not into that type of face. In fact, she would be my last choice on the page. Fanta and Jina would be one and two.
You do have the web page translations these days, but Google Translate does not do as good a job of translating Thai to English as it would do for say German, as an example.
Here is a sample of Google Translate and my translate in brackets:
Name: piano ka (Name Piano - also uses Aor elsewhere).
Female McCoy (Gender: real Woman).
What to do (Service): Yes (Yes?) Ormoc fresh (BBBJ) Mongolian sister (DATY) up to (Cowgirl) hold milk (grab tits allowed) milk (suck tits) kisses exchanged tongue (DFK) bath water (shower together)
Where to Get the Job: (district), Bangkok (Bangkok).
Get a job: (workplace) Hotels (Hotel).
Expenses (The fees).
Water early 4000 baht (First shot 4K).
Water: Pay an extra 2000 baht (2nd shot 2k).
Room: 460 baht (room fee).
You can see that sometimes the Google Translate can be a little Baffling. Like "Ormoc Fresh" should be "Smoke Fresh", and "Mongolian Sister" should be "Lick the Younger Sister". How it managed Mongolian, I don't know.
Female McCoy means the Real McCoy LOL. Sometimes we see เพศ: สาวสองยังไม่ผ่า which means Gender: girl 2nd (type) not yet surgically removed (dick).
Ladyboys in Thailand are known as girls of the 2nd type.
Do you find some other translator online does better than Google?Google translate is just very frustrating when the girls pull their phones out to use it (when they want to tell me something that is outside of my very meager thai). Google isn't a translation company, but a search company. They are using some statistical matching from their web-page search scrapings to pair words from different languages. All I can try to tell them (in my meager thai) is that it the app they are using (they usually don't even know what google translate is, so the app has some other name or just no name for them, I have to just point to ii) doesn't work very good, I don't understand that. But they don't understand how that could be, as they percieve the app as a near perfect translation device, while presenting me with a "translation" that is talking about "brother's cherry tempest son of virtue".
For the first time in I don't know how long. A friend is in town and he was on the hunt so I decided to meet him there. The night certainly cemented in my head the reasons I don't frequent GoGo.
Billboard was the place, and while there were some decent bodies to be seen, there were only one or two faces that I found the least bit attractive. The others being victims of bad plastic surgery or were a bit too hard Isaan for my liking. But again, some nice bodies to glance at.
First issue, the music. Awful dance music. Just can't tolerate it. Back in the day GoGos played some top 40, rock, hip hop, and it was much better. The inane dance music is a real irritant. Second issue, you have to listen to, "I want go with you. " "I want toilet. " "You pay bar. " Etc. Heard that from the gal siting on the lap of an Asian fellow next to us. I can understand why less frequent visitors, first timers, et al enjoy this. But for me it is a complete pecker wilting experience to have to sit with and attempt to interact with someone who has as little to offer conversation wise as these gals do. Sure, there are exceptions, but yesh, 2 min of that and my mind feels like it is going to melt. Third, the cost of taking them out and rolling the dice on performance. Just can't see paying over 100 USD for these gals when all is said and done. Would gladly pay a bit more than I pay in an oily if the performance was the same, but I am certain it would not be. I must add that Leos were only 140 which is expensive but not completely awful. That was the one surprise.
Really just don't like the atmosphere to tell you the truth. If I have to GoGO give me a small non-glitzy bar like Cactus in Cowboy where the girls are naked and there is raunch to be found.
So in short, I am glad there are dudes out there who enjoy this. More power to you. I am not one of you.Thank you for the report, I agree with the sentiment of it, sadly. I do not go to nana much but I did go a few months ago and just really lucked out on a provider. I feel that was not the norm as she is only a part time gogo worker. I think the ones who are there like it's a job will treat it like a job: what is the least work I can do for the most money? Whereas the part-timer is looking for more of a gik like arrangement. I think the best thing to do is avoid the place though. Avoid the "bar / gogo" industry and focus on the part-timer freelancer types. Some of them work in gogo's sometimes, but probably better off scouting the more legit places like discos.
Google translate is just very frustrating when the girls pull their phones out to use it (when they want to tell me something that is outside of my very meager thai). Google isn't a translation company, but a search company. They are using some statistical matching from their web-page search scrapings to pair words from different languages. All I can try to tell them (in my meager thai) is that it the app they are using (they usually don't even know what google translate is, so the app has some other name or just no name for them, I have to just point to ii) doesn't work very good, I don't understand that. But they don't understand how that could be, as they percieve the app as a near perfect translation device, while presenting me with a "translation" that is talking about "brother's cherry tempest son of virtue".I started coming to Thailand 25 years ago. No web pages, no auto translate, no mobile phones, no ISG. I spent significant time with Thai people who had even less English than I had Thai. So I was sort of forced to keep pushing my Thai abilities higher. One girl helped a lot because she had the ability to speak Thai very clearly and slowly. This meant I could use dictionaries to look up words. Some were so basic. I had many dictionaries (expensive). You really had to find the right ones that were oriented towards Farangs. To go from English to Thai was the biggest problem. Most English to Thai Dictionaries were specifically for Thais, so would explain English words with Thai text sentences, not handling English common phrases and how to put them into a Thai Phrase. Eventually found a special English to Thai word and phrase book for Farangs with Romanised Thai (not just Thai script). Mc Robertsons something. Not a full Dictionary but had most common things that you need. In a later it year was re-edited by the Goldings who taught Thai language in Australia I believe. I spent a lot of time in DK Book store and Asia Books checking out which dictionaries to buy, long ago.
Some stupid dictionaries had two columns: English Word and Thai word, however single words have several different meanings, so it just doesn't work. The English word "Can" has several meanings, and each requires a different Thai word. Same in reverse. Thai words can have several meanings.
Google translate can misunderstand the context badly and pick the wrong meanings. In some cases it does not even recognise certain Thai words, especially slang and teenage special language, and thinks they are English words spelt with Thai script. I don't know where it gets its reference base of Thai and English text for same thing that is a good translation.
So I know Moke (in Thai script) means BJ, but Google translate would not know that. There are several alternatives for BJ.
In modern day, computer and phone App Thai-English English-Thai Talking dictionary is a good one for learners. Plus use some other web sites, e.g. Thai-Language.com
Thank you for the report, I agree with the sentiment of it, sadly. I do not go to nana much but I did go a few months ago and just really lucked out on a provider. I feel that was not the norm as she is only a part time gogo worker. I think the ones who are there like it's a job will treat it like a job: what is the least work I can do for the most money? Whereas the part-timer is looking for more of a gik like arrangement. I think the best thing to do is avoid the place though. Avoid the "bar / gogo" industry and focus on the part-timer freelancer types. Some of them work in gogo's sometimes, but probably better off scouting the more legit places like discos.Why do you say "lucked out"? Perhaps you really mean "good luck"? Part timers are the best. Even girls who worked there for years but hardly show up for work can be great, or especially when they just returned from holidays or studies or even just before the period comes. Its possible to find horny girls, if you get lucky. LOL.
I got very lucky with my selected Billboard girl. I think she tried Bangkok Bunnies or similar downstairs for a short while then moved to Billboard. Only a few months. Not really jaded as yet for purposes of take out. I don't know how many days a week she works.
Nah, that just does not do it for me. Really not into that type of face. In fact, she would be my last choice on the page. Fanta and Jina would be one and two.I was really hoping you would explain why you don't go for her. I certainly wasn't expecting you to like her, but I just don't understand why. You know, I like specifics, not just a vague, "the girl doesn't appeal".
What type of face is it? Face shape is oval fine. Jaw not too pointy. Where does the problem lie, or maybe you guys don't really understand the detail of your own taste at all?
Don't be shy. You can say her skin colour is no good, if you like. Won't worry me. You can say you hate a natural nose with no bridge. You can say the eyes are too slanty.
I am willing to say I don't go for many Chinese girls with eyes too much like slits. Big eyes works if not over exaggerated.
I like Jina as well, but only in some pics (1, 5, and 6). The glasses pic looks good. Chin a bit pointy and cheeks I little strange is some pics. Fanta, not so sure. Her eyes are shopped enlarged in some pics that looks a bit strange. In some shots she looks a bit too Western for me. Its a fairly good nose job but I still don't like it. It has resulted in a slightly hook nose. Rather average look. I prefer a much more exotic strongly Thai look.
Have a look at pic 2 of Folia. LOL Could that be her natural look before she had surgeries. I cannot recognise as same girls as in other Folia pictures. However The after surgery look is the witch like look. Pic 2 is easily the most appealing for me, even if nose is a little bulbous. Bulbous nose is a very common problem for Thais. Trouble is mostly after they get a nose job, the bulb may go, but worse problems. Some Isaan girls are fortunate to have no bulb or squashed flat nose, and they don't need any correction, in my opinion.
Hard to pic my last choice fo girl with the heavy shopping, Gucci, Saya, and Star probably fight it out. Some of the pics make me shudder, they look so much like a LB or alien. MyPrincess really specialises in very average looking heavily shopped surgery girls for my taste.
Does My pictured girl Lada need a nose job? I don't believe so. I like it.
I was really hoping you would explain why you don't go for her. I certainly wasn't expecting you to like her, but I just don't understand why. You know, I like specifics, not just a vague, "the girl doesn't appeal".
What type of face is it? Face shape is oval fine. Jaw not too pointy. Where does the problem lie, or maybe you guys don't really understand the detail of your own taste at all?
Don't be shy. You can say her skin colour is no good, if you like. Won't worry me. You can say you hate a natural nose with no bridge. You can say the eyes are too slanty.
I am willing to say I don't go for many Chinese girls with eyes too much like slits. Big eyes works if not over exaggerated.
I like Jina as well, but only in some pics (1, 5, and 6). The glasses pic looks good. Chin a bit pointy and cheeks I little strange is some pics. Fanta, not so sure. Her eyes are shopped enlarged in some pics that looks a bit strange. In some shots she looks a bit too Western for me. Its a fairly good nose job but I still don't like it. It has resulted in a slightly hook nose. Rather average look. I prefer a much more exotic strongly Thai look.
Have a look at pic 2 of Folia. LOL Could that be her natural look before she had surgeries. I cannot recognise as same girls as in other Folia pictures. However The after surgery look is the witch like look. Pic 2 is easily the most appealing for me, even if nose is a little bulbous. Bulbous nose is a very common problem for Thais. Trouble is mostly after they get a nose job, the bulb may go, but worse problems. Some Isaan girls are fortunate to have no bulb or squashed flat nose, and they don't need any correction, in my opinion.
Hard to pic my last choice fo girl with the heavy shopping, Gucci, Saya, and Star probably fight it out. Some of the pics make me shudder, they look so much like a LB or alien. MyPrincess really specialises in very average looking heavily shopped surgery girls for my taste.
Does My pictured girl Lada need a nose job? I don't believe so. I like it.Yes, don't like the flat nose, don't like the shape of the face, looks "simian" to me for lack of a better term. Lips are a bit too big. Large mouth. Teeth look like the grill of a '57 Buick. I like the Luk Krung look. When it comes to SE Asia I think Viet gals are far prettier than Thais. And to me there is nothing hotter than a post-surgery Korean gal who has had good work done.
Member #4591
09-07-16, 17:59
For the first time in I don't know how long. A friend is in town and he was on the hunt so I decided to meet him there. The night certainly cemented in my head the reasons I don't frequent GoGo.
Billboard was the place, and while there were some decent bodies to be seen, there were only one or two faces that I found the least bit attractive. The others being victims of bad plastic surgery or were a bit too hard Isaan for my liking. But again, some nice bodies to glance at.
First issue, the music. Awful dance music. Just can't tolerate it. Back in the day GoGos played some top 40, rock, hip hop, and it was much better. The inane dance music is a real irritant. Second issue, you have to listen to, "I want go with you. " "I want toilet. " "You pay bar. " Etc. Heard that from the gal siting on the lap of an Asian fellow next to us. I can understand why less frequent visitors, first timers, et al enjoy this. But for me it is a complete pecker wilting experience to have to sit with and attempt to interact with someone who has as little to offer conversation wise as these gals do. Sure, there are exceptions, but yesh, 2 min of that and my mind feels like it is going to melt. Third, the cost of taking them out and rolling the dice on performance. Just can't see paying over 100 USD for these gals when all is said and done. Would gladly pay a bit more than I pay in an oily if the performance was the same, but I am certain it would not be. I must add that Leos were only 140 which is expensive but not completely awful. That was the one surprise.
Really just don't like the atmosphere to tell you the truth. If I have to GoGO give me a small non-glitzy bar like Cactus in Cowboy where the girls are naked and there is raunch to be found.
So in short, I am glad there are dudes out there who enjoy this. More power to you. I am not one of you.I agree with you for the most part but don't you miss the thrill of the hunt sometimes? I always like to mixx it up. For example today I went to Tulip and had a no holds barred PSE session with Dao. Next week, I will go on a 10 K date with a sideline girl, and next weekend, I will party in Nana. Mixx it up a little.
Arrived after 9 PM. Some girls still arriving. Line up started weaker than previous visit but improved rapidly as girls returned to stage from customers, or doing makeup or whatever.
Some girls on left stage had pantyhose, or whatever covering legs. Not many. Did not see any on right stage, maybe 1. Standard of girls on right stage was generally better for my taste. Less surgeries, relatively.
I spotted 3 or 4 girls I could easily like. Was assisted by a new waitress who used to work Hot Lips in the past or Candyland 2. In my belief pantyhose has no bearing on whether girls can be BFed. It just means their legs have marks they wish to hide. Simple as that. Probably all girls can be barfined. It is just that some girls are not available for sex. I obviously do not know the exact numbers.
I had no trouble finding a girl that was keen to go with me for ST. Bpoo Bpeh was her name. Face vaguely like Barbara Bach exotic look, more popular with Farangs than Japanese, but smaller nose and small tits. While some girls are reported to set high prices on themselves, other girls can be had for 2500. May be possible to get lower. Depends on how in demand the girl is and what she decide the one that would make me most happy.
My girl was curvy with very small waist. She was cute enough and willing to kiss so took her for short time. She was very responsive and very passionate. Full on DFK for extended duration. She seemed to like it and DATY. She seemed to like the fuck too. In cowgirl position she was banging down quite forcefully. Significantly more than most girls do. She kept doing that till her legs were tired. I finished in very nice doggy and prone fuck. Super GFE. Enjoyed her immensely and will repeat. Weakness was her mouth was too small to do BBBJ very deep. No matter. Took her eat afterwards, steamed mussels and Prawn fried rice. Says she has very low English. 25 YO very petite, but very good waist to thigh ratio. I got lucky again. I was more than happy with how she turned out.
Billboard has some pretty good girls especially in the tall floor group. However I would say Twisters is better overall on average for looks and a few extra stunners. Billboard has poor lighting (black lights) so you don't see the faces so clearly. Billboard has some very nice girls and quite a few rather ordinary including somewhat fatties. Twisters has no fatties. Twisters line up is definitely better for looks than Crazy House at the moment. Girl Tequilas are called Rose Tequilas or Strawberry Tequilas and milky looking. Obviously this is not real tequila.
Twisters had plenty of customers. After just 4 months or so of operation, it is already much busier than Mandarin based on my last visit there. Quite a few guys were getting lap dances for the price of lady drink. More Japanese customers than Farangs. Same as for Crazy House.
I did not have any problems with Twisters today, other than 1 K BF is obviously a bit high. It is not keeping the customers away though. Billboard is also doing okay For customers but not all the seats taken after midnight.
Will be interesting to see if Natty Bumpo likes this bar or Billboard better. Both have some excellent standard girls.
Member #4698
09-07-16, 21:27
Great follow up report Syzygies. I am glad to hear Twisters is up and running with some quality girls to be had. I was very skeptical of those "sky is falling" posts saying the girls did not barfine. The only Go Go's in Thailand that I know of where the girls do not barfine are the "Arab's' bars where for some reason or other, the management is apparently not interested in making a profit. I just wish you would rethink your policy of naming your girls. BB sounds like a real nice girl. You found her easy enough. I am 100% confident I will be able to find a girl to my liking too if one is present when I check the place out and I will not be explicitly looking for your girl, but rather I will be looking for my own girl that I find attractive and can get along with for a variety of reasons. She might turn out to be one of your girls by coincidence because as you know, we do have a few girls in common, but I would never take a girl based on someone else's posts, even those of a close friend. YMMV is the key reason for that along with my desire to make my own fire. So I just don't see the reason for putting the spotlight on a nice girl like BB and possibly sending 50 to 150 guys you don't know and can't vouchsafe for her way. Its one of the reasons I no longer post pictures of my girls on the public forum although I am willing to share and compare notes with certain like minded punters, like yourself whom I can trust, in private. There are just too many shit mongers lurking out there on the internet.
Anyway, this was a really good and informative post. I am glad to hear a viable new Go Go has risen from the ashes of the former RB4 even though the barfine has creeped up to 1000. RB4 always had very good talent, but the vibe was a little too business oriented for my taste and so I always took my time auditioning a potential new RB4 girl, many times requiring 2 auditions before I was confidant enough in the girl to barfine from here. I do not like girls that run back to the bar immediately after fun time. I prefer one customer a night Go Go girls who are in no hurry.
I agree with you for the most part but don't you miss the thrill of the hunt sometimes? I always like to mixx it up. For example today I went to Tulip and had a no holds barred PSE session with Dao. Next week, I will go on a 10 K date with a sideline girl, and next weekend, I will party in Nana. Mixx it up a little.Actually now not really. I enjoyed the hunt when I first moved here because finding something I liked was like shooting fish in a barrel. There were just so many gals and so many options; each night was a struggle to decide. Truth be told for me that started to change about '07 and really declined after the flood in '11. Now when I go hunting most of the time I end up empty handed. So I find it more frustrating than fun. I really don't have the patience or the want to hunt on the net, however the sites you posted are interesting. I have a gal I have lived with for a decade so I don't date and don't even take gals contact information. Just not a line I am going to cross. BKK worked very well for me for years when Suk was flush with WGs. Street gals, Thermae before the Japanese invasion, Nana Disco, and Cowboy before the Arab. Hell, I was at Midnight bar three times a week before he bought it. Place was great. 100 baht a drink, 500 baht BF that included an ST room upstairs, and 1 k to the gal. Could have a fabulous evening for about 50 USD or a little more. The longer I am here the less and less interested I am in "bargirl" conversation and interaction. Oilies work pretty well for me, but the talent has certainly slipped. And, yes, I could spend 3 k, 4 k, 10 k on these gals, but to me they are just not worth it. Most are still sub-50 USD screws at best. Skill set, looks, eroticism, just really not there. I'm with Tooms on this one. I'd rather go out for an amazing meal and then head home and have a wank. Jaded? Yes, but hey the scene has changed and after hundreds and hundreds of gals, I know what I like and it takes a bit to impress me.
Natty,
Yes I doubt others will choose same girl as me at Twisters. There are plenty of Pretty options. Little point to name her. I have no clue if girls have a number. Did not notice.
Main point is you can get a girl just in same way as Billboard but you can see her better. Lighting is vastly superior to Billboard.
One day had a look in Cactus Soi Cowboy. Very few girls. At 9 pm they only had 3 dancing girls. Stage there was also very dimly lit. Dark walls too. Black lights. 2 girls looked vaguely OK very Isaan look all natural most likely. Was too dark to see their faces properly. Music was rock style songs not like most bars.
Last night chatted to a very tall girl in Billboard. She has worked just 2 weeks. Really nice ass. She knew about the bad mamasan already. Happy with her behaviour. Some other girl came and kept hassling me despite me ignoring her. I refuses to buy the hassler a drink. I don't need extra girls not called. I guess was rather drunk. We choose the girl. Not the reverse.
Looks like Tukata is no longer working there. I can meet her privately and save money. No BF and no drinks. I did not find out yet why she left Billboard.
Hey,
There are 2 post by Syzy that I was commenting on the BKK forum and thought he had great advice on dealing w / the BKK BGs. I wanted to express my appreciation. In general the last few pages have been very good intel and method of operation on BKK.
Cheers.Yes, sorry about the confusion. It appears the post #s (#36 XXX or whatever) update slower or later than the posts themselves. Exiting the site and re-entering was enough to put them in sync again.
Most are still sub-50 USD screws at best. Skill set, looks, eroticism, just really not there. I'm with Tooms on this one. Yes, Goatscrot, based on your posts I can see how it would be very difficult to find current young P4 P Thai girls up for the kind of partying you like to do. Seems it is very vocal and aggressive in ways I rarely if ever witness with attractive girls on the scene these days.
But for those of us of a more mundane, prosaic nature who are merely looking for something, say, much better than the usual "lick around the edges, at best, then cap on and proceed" kind of service (I honestly don't think anyone needs advice or guidance to get that level of service as it is virtually anywhere and everywhere in the Thai P4 P scene. Just show up and point to a girl whose looks appeal to you), Thailand is still a great place to get it. I'm talking about Real GFE / BBFS and / or BBBJ+CIM.
If a fairly decent behaving and pulled together farang is willing to apply a minimum of Game to it beyond simply sitting politely and waiting for it to land in his lap, he will be steeped in that level of partying and sex play from young and attractive Thai girls virtually all over the place; from the P4 P scene with go-go girls, beer bar girls, FLs, and, naturally, BJ Bar girls to the non P4 P Thai girls found on dating sites and girls you just meet while shopping or out for a walk.
I wasn't here 10 years ago, the timeframe against which you have said today's action compares so unfavorably, so I can't speak to the comparison really. But I was here 20 years ago. And I have to say I am getting more of that kind of action from younger and better looking Thai girls today than I did back then.
Why do you say "lucked out"? Perhaps you really mean "good luck"? Part timers are the best. Even girls who worked there for years but hardly show up for work can be great, or especially when they just returned from holidays or studies or even just before the period comes. Its possible to find horny girls, if you get lucky. LOL.
I got very lucky with my selected Billboard girl. I think she tried Bangkok Bunnies or similar downstairs for a short while then moved to Billboard. Only a few months. Not really jaded as yet for purposes of take out. I don't know how many days a week she works.Yes I got lucky with that one, so the good kind then. Makes me want to head towards the shy / reserved ones now. Whereas I used to avoid them just thinking they would be star fish, or that they were "not into this line of work. " and that the session would be similar to their stand-offish appearance on stage.
Yes I got lucky with that one, so the good kind then. Makes me want to head towards the shy / reserved ones now. Whereas I used to avoid them just thinking they would be star fish, or that they were "not into this line of work. " and that the session would be similar to their stand-offish appearance on stage.Its a common misconception or Myth that a shy girl will be bad. Praow is a very extrovert sexy girl new in Crazy House that will play up to guys, and yet she doesn't like BJ, doesn't like kissing, doesn't like DATY, at least that was my experience when tried her long ago at Doll House. A starfish. Some other timid shy girl can be so pleased that some guy really likes her, she can turn very wildly passionate on the bed and be really into everything GFE. I say avoid the girls that are clearly just putting on an act rather than being themselves.
A girl does not look at you or give you the wink or wave frantically at you. She may be sad, maybe stressed by money shortage, she maybe just shy. It's only a bad sign if she is trying to latch on to other guys but ignoring you. If she does not look anyone in the eye, and just stairs into space, no problem. Some girls do not have the raunchy hooker mindset, especially if relatively new to the game, and totally sober. Interact a little. Give her a reason to concentrate on you. If she is still totally disinterested, okay You can change your mind. I always give girls a chance to show some interest. I give them a signal to show I am interested and then spend some time with them to see if they react positively, or get too aggressive or too arrogant, or too disinterested or what. Chemistry takes a little time to build.
Some girls get the totally wrong impression of me as well, sitting there in bar unsmiling, totally ignoring any girl that approaches. Not allowing anyone to massage me, etc. They probably think this guy cannot lighten up. Very wrong. They can find I am very different if I am interested in the girl, and have a conversation and joke around a bit. Not an Ogre after all.
Plenty of girls are drinking alcohol to try to loosen up and get more raunchy. It is not a natural way for all Thai girls to be very provocative or showing off themselves in a sleazy way.
In Billboard, a girl last night was very drunk and making a lot of tongue licking actions towards me, trying to climb onto my lap. She was not my girl of choice, so I was not specially impressed by her persistence or raunchiness. She was not ugly by any means. Not just any girl will do. I just wanted her to go away. I was talking to a more conservative girl, only two weeks in the bargirl job.
My motto is, don't let the girl choose me, could be a rip-off girl or a girl who cons but does not deliver, I choose the one I like. I like girls to be themselves and not put on a fake act.
For guys looking for a pornstar performance, that maybe different. Then you don't want an overly shy girl, most likely. It also depends on the style of the guy. I an a doer more-so than a receiver of services. I like girls that can have good time "going with the flow", rather than fully directing all the procedings. Less assertive girls may work better for me.
Yes, Goatscrot, based on your posts I can see how it would be very difficult to find current young P4 P Thai girls up for the kind of partying you like to do. Seems it is very vocal and aggressive in ways I rarely if ever witness with attractive girls on the scene these days.
But for those of us of a more mundane, prosaic nature who are merely looking for something, say, much better than the usual "lick around the edges, at best, then cap on and proceed" kind of service (I honestly don't think anyone needs advice or guidance to get that level of service as it is virtually anywhere and everywhere in the Thai P4 P scene. Just show up and point to a girl whose looks appeal to you), Thailand is still a great place to get it. I'm talking about Real GFE / BBFS and / or BBBJ+CIM.
If a fairly decent behaving and pulled together farang is willing to apply a minimum of Game to it beyond simply sitting politely and waiting for it to land in his lap, he will be steeped in that level of partying and sex play from young and attractive Thai girls virtually all over the place; from the P4 P scene with go-go girls, beer bar girls, FLs, and, naturally, BJ Bar girls to the non P4 P Thai girls found on dating sites and girls you just meet while shopping or out for a walk.
I wasn't here 10 years ago, the timeframe against which you have said today's action compares so unfavorably, so I can't speak to the comparison really. But I was here 20 years ago. And I have to say I am getting more of that kind of action from younger and better looking Thai girls today than I did back then.Actually the gals were not really any better back then performance wise, just more plentiful, and cheaper. And at that price ( 1k baht + 500 BF Nana, 400 baht CWBY) you got the type of service that you described above. And yes, that is still available, but at about three to four times the price. Now, as I have said many times, if the game was raised, then I would have no problem paying more. Sadly, only the prices have gone up not the level of service.
The longer I am here the less and less interested I am in "bargirl" conversation and interaction. Oilies work pretty well for me, but the talent has certainly slipped. And, yes, I could spend 3 k, 4 k, 10 k on these gals, but to me they are just not worth it. Most are still sub-50 USD screws at best. Skill set, looks, eroticism, just really not there.This is a good summary of the conclusion many have come to.
IMO it is the double hit of higher prices and lower looks / standards. I have little problem with higher prices if the looks / standards remained high enough. I could live with *some* lower looks / standards if the price remained reasonable. But when they both move against the punter the value for money (VFM) takes a considerable turn. Or enough of a turn to make you stop and think.
IMO it is less lamenting the scene for what it used to be and more like recognizing the current situation for what it is: still good, can be great, just not slam dunk compelling.
SL.
This is a good summary of the conclusion many have come to.
IMO it is the double hit of higher prices and lower looks / standards. I have little problem with higher prices if the looks / standards remained high enough. I could live with *some* lower looks / standards if the price remained reasonable. But when they both move against the punter the value for money (VFM) takes a considerable turn. Or enough of a turn to make you stop and think.
IMO it is less lamenting the scene for what it used to be and more like recognizing the current situation for what it is: still good, can be great, just not slam dunk compelling.
SL.Very well stated. 15 years ago Thailand was one of the best destinations when it came to VFM for P4 P. Now, not so much. Where would I venture to now? Well, Colombia peaks my interest as does Venezuela. Ven because of the poor economy and it's quite dangerous at the present. Those two factors add up to fun and good value in the P4 P scene. Keeps most folks away. That's the time to go.
Very well stated. 15 years ago Thailand was one of the best destinations when it came to VFM for P4 P. Now, not so much. Where would I venture to now? Well, Colombia peaks my interest as does Venezuela. Ven because of the poor economy and it's quite dangerous at the present. Those two factors add up to fun and good value in the P4 P scene. Keeps most folks away. That's the time to go.The price has gone up approx. By a factor of 10 over 25 years. That is approx. 9.6% compound inflation rate per year (for those who understand exponential growth maths). A little bit high yes, but not astronomical.
Has the overall standard for Thai looks as they are born, got worse? I don't think so. Maybe even improved slightly. However clearly beautiful girls have more opportunities than 25 years ago to get employment other than P4 P. The other factors spoiling the average looks are modern junk food making ladies fat at earlier age, and surgeries actually hindering their looks rather than enhancing them so much. (0% of nose and tit jobs are actually making girls look worse, in my view.
Very beautiful girls do not last so long in P4 P before someone takes them away from it, or they were only temporary to finance their studies. Has this situation changed much over the years? I don't know.
Clearly the internet web sites, and chat apps enhances the ability of a girl to work P4 P as independent, and not be tied done to a bar or MP with working conditions she may not like.
The overall profile of the customer base has changed a lot. Its not just frugal Farang expats any more. This has allowed the hot girls to get away with pricing themselves higher, where the ordinary girls still have to be cheap enough to get customers. There seem to be a lot less Farangs in total spending money on P4 P. So the market is bad.
It is still possible to get a good looking girl for a good price, but in the Thai oriented discos or clubs / bars, or out in not so touristy towns. Not easy in the Farang / Japanese dominated areas in Bangkok. Isn't a move to Pattaya going to solve much of the cost problem, or for even cheaper, a move to Phnom Penh?
A walk from Sukhumvit Soi 3 to Soi 13 at 1. 30 AM, I looked at the sidewalk girls and the cart bars. I was surprised to find the whole area dominated firstly by black girls, between 30 to 40 of them, and secondly by ladyboys, with real girls coming a distant 3rd by person count.
Does anyone understand how and why there are so many black girls these days? What has changed? Are they all illegal?
I thought only about 10% of the black girls looked good enough to be doable, but then my ratio for the real Thai girls might be very similar, or maybe even fewer of Thai girls in this area would interest me (5 to 10% of Thermae girls really appeal).
I gathered the black girls used to be concentrated in Soi 3 but now have moved to Sukumvit, where rather few are in Soi 4. In may be related to the presence of the Cart Bars in Sukhumvit.
Do these black girls typically go for a good price and are they good fucks? The one half black girl, Michelle from Tanzania/Zanzibar, I tried this year was a complete dud. Overall, outside Thailand, I prefer black girls from South America or West Indies region, however had a very good pretty Ghana girl last year.
The price has gone up approx. By a factor of 10 over 25 years. That is approx. 9.6% compound inflation rate per year (for those who understand exponential growth maths). A little bit high yes, but not astronomical.
Has the overall standard for Thai looks as they are born, got worse? I don't think so. Maybe even improved slightly. However clearly beautiful girls have more opportunities than 25 years ago to get employment other than P4 P. The other factors spoiling the average looks are modern junk food making ladies fat at earlier age, and surgeries actually hindering their looks rather than enhancing them so much. (0% of nose and tit jobs are actually making girls look worse, in my view.
Very beautiful girls do not last so long in P4 P before someone takes them away from it, or they were only temporary to finance their studies. Has this situation changed much over the years? I don't know.
Clearly the internet web sites, and chat apps enhances the ability of a girl to work P4 P as independent, and not be tied done to a bar or MP with working conditions she may not like.
The overall profile of the customer base has changed a lot. Its not just frugal Farang expats any more. This has allowed the hot girls to get away with pricing themselves higher, where the ordinary girls still have to be cheap enough to get customers. There seem to be a lot less Farangs in total spending money on P4 P. So the market is bad.
It is still possible to get a good looking girl for a good price, but in the Thai oriented discos or clubs / bars, or out in not so touristy towns. Not easy in the Farang / Japanese dominated areas in Bangkok. Isn't a move to Pattaya going to solve much of the cost problem, or for even cheaper, a move to Phnom Penh?Most things go up in price, but I would say 10% a year is quite a high rate of inflation. A Toyota Camry is more expensive then it was 10 years ago, but it also has a lot better feature set and provides you with a better driving experience for that money. The same cannot be said about P4 P gals in BKK.
Franciscass
09-10-16, 11:30
The price has gone up approx. By a factor of 10 over 25 years.
Not being picky S. But my first visit was in 1991 exactly 25 years ago and I cannot recall FS on offer at an oilie for 150 Baht I. E. 10% of the current 1500 fee. If memory serves me correctly more like a 1000 baht maybe a couple hundred less depending on shop and lady in question. It might be interesting to check with some of the old timers perhaps at Annie's to see what they were getting back then.
Most things go up in price, but I would say 10% a year is quite a high rate of inflation. A Toyota Camry is more expensive then it was 10 years ago, but it also has a lot better feature set and provides you with a better driving experience for that money. The same cannot be said about P4 P gals in BKK.A girl is not a product that can be improved with lots of new feature sets, unless its a ladyboy.
A girl is not a product that can be improved with lots of new feature sets, unless its a ladyboy.You are buying a service. Want more money? Up your game. Learn some new tricks. Dress sexy. Learn to be seductive.
Crocodilexp
09-10-16, 15:57
Has the overall standard for Thai looks as they are born, got worse? I don't think so. There are fewer around. Birth rate has gone down, and if you look at the population pyramid, the 20-30 segment has shrunk significantly. Couple this with rising salaries and you get a situation where any decent-looking Thai girl can get a Thai boyfriend who makes enough money to survive, so you get almost no decent girls going into prostitution, only the leftovers who, for whatever reason, don't have the ambition at all to exit the hooker lifestyle. This has direct impact on attitudes.
Carpaccio18
09-10-16, 17:21
Do these black girls typically go for a good price and are they good fucks? The one half black girl, Michelle from Tanzania/Zanzibar, I tried this year was a complete dud. Overall, outside Thailand, I prefer black girls from South America or West Indies region, however had a very good pretty Ghana girl last year.I usually give the black girls a wide berth. In my limited experience with them anywhere, they talk non-stop about (more) money while trying to postpone the action until you agree to up the ante. When they find out you're not, its all mechanical and boring. Speaking purely from statistics, I am sure one can get lucky.
Personally I stick with the thai girls. Sure can be hit & miss, but again statistically I have a lot better experience. And nearly no thai girl would lower herself to ask for more money after you have made a deal with them. Many will even say "up to you" when you ask the price. The same way a guy in a street shop will go to extreme lengths to make sure you get your 20 bath change on a 380 bath deal.
Uncle Volodya
09-10-16, 17:32
Not being picky S. But my first visit was in 1991 exactly 25 years ago and I cannot recall FS on offer at an oilie for 150 Baht I. E. 10% of the current 1500 fee. If memory serves me correctly more like a 1000 baht maybe a couple hundred less depending on shop and lady in question. It might be interesting to check with some of the old timers perhaps at Annie's to see what they were getting back then.FS at an oil why is now about 2200 baht so 120% more than in 1991.
According to USA inflation calculator a 1991 dollar was worth about 76% more than a 2016 dollar.
So yes the coswt of sex has grown much faster than inflation. Btu not several times as fast.
The more troubling thing is how fast prices have grown in the last few years. Especially for FL action. The hotter girls at Ibar were more than happy with 2 K LT just two years agi. Now 3 K seems to be the going rate for the hottest hotties. In BKK some are now asking for 4 and 5 K!
Not being picky S. But my first visit was in 1991 exactly 25 years ago and I cannot recall FS on offer at an oilie for 150 Baht I. E. 10% of the current 1500 fee. If memory serves me correctly more like a 1000 baht maybe a couple hundred less depending on shop and lady in question. It might be interesting to check with some of the old timers perhaps at Annie's to see what they were getting back then.I did not use Oilies back then at all. I did use some Soapies such as Thermae. I was able to get LT with a Soi Cowboy bargirl for 400 Baht (some charged 500 Baht). This I remember very clearly. I would expect ST to be somewhat less if bargirl ST existed at all in those days. If you were paying 1000 for FS in an Oily, or even 200 less, seems like a lot. It is hard to believe that Oily sex price could have gone up only 50% in 25 years. You did say you cannot recall. I can't recall how much I paid in the Thermae Soapy massage 25 years ago either.
About 13 years ago, in soapy Chao Praya 2, the initial price for massage girl did not include sex. She would charge 1000 for sex. This was not the cheapest going around though. However that is only 13 years ago and not 25 years ago. 25 years ago, I cannot recall the soapy prices, but obviously a lot less than 1000 for FS. I also used a soapy in Chiang Mai 33 years ago. Unfortunately cannot remember that price either.
I usually give the black girls a wide berth. In my limited experience with them anywhere, they talk non-stop about (more) money while trying to postpone the action until you agree to up the ante. Where is your experience with black girls? Anywhere is not very specific. I never had any problem with them in Germany or Portugal, in terms of trying to rip me off. Don't identify at all with the non stop talk about money. Is this a Thailand problem?
I did not use Oilies back then at all. I did use some Soapies such as Thermae. I was able to get LT with a Soi Cowboy bargirl for 400 Baht (some charged 500 Baht). This I remember very clearly. I would expect ST to be somewhat less if bargirl ST existed at all in those days. If you were paying 1000 for FS in an Oily, or even 200 less, seems like a lot. It is hard to believe that Oily sex price could have gone up only 50% in 25 years. You did say you cannot recall. I can't recall how much I paid in the Thermae Soapy massage 25 years ago either.
If my memory is correct, a two-hour full service session at Baron's more than ten years ago was 800 baht to the shop and 1500 baht to the girl. That is the same price as it now is at the PSE oilies, i.e., no price increase at all (at least in Thai currency) with the exception of some minor outliers such as Bamboo's introduction of a 500-baht surcharge for anal. Indeed, taking into account the inflation rate, the price in real terms has gone down.
For some reason, the PSE oilies have not raised their prices like the other venues. On the flip side, the average quality of the girls at the PSE oilies has declined a bit (or more, depending on who you ask).
I suspect the budget soapies, such as Avita and Meree, may also have prices now that are not that much higher than a decade ago but given I haven't frequented them recently I don't really know.
ScottWalker
09-11-16, 03:05
Dr. BJ's nuru and saloon still operating. There facebook page can't find any. If anyone can answer highly appreciate.
There are fewer around. Birth rate has gone down, and if you look at the population pyramid, the 20-30 segment has shrunk significantly. Couple this with rising salaries and you get a situation where any decent-looking Thai girl can get a Thai boyfriend who makes enough money to survive, so you get almost no decent girls going into prostitution, only the leftovers who, for whatever reason, don't have the ambition at all to exit the hooker lifestyle. This has direct impact on attitudes.Yep. Spot on post. The population pyramid inverted here in '97. There are more gals than boys being born but with rising salaries only the dregs tend to go into P4 P these days. It is not like in the West where P4 P gals view themselves as independent. Here there is still a lot of stigma attached to sex. It was getting better in the late '00's but has taken a very conservative turn in the past few years. Sex in "beneath" them and something that the poor people do. Can dress sexy, but sex; heavens no. That's messy.
If my memory is correct, a two-hour full service session at Baron's more than ten years ago was 800 baht to the shop and 1500 baht to the girl. That is the same price as it now is at the PSE oilies, i.e., no price increase at all (at least in Thai currency) with the exception of some minor outliers such as Bamboo's introduction of a 500-baht surcharge for anal. Indeed, taking into account the inflation rate, the price in real terms has gone down.
For some reason, the PSE oilies have not raised their prices like the other venues. On the flip side, the average quality of the girls at the PSE oilies has declined a bit (or more, depending on who you ask).
I suspect the budget soapies, such as Avita and Meree, may also have prices now that are not that much higher than a decade ago but given I haven't frequented them recently I don't really know.Correct. PSE prices are the same as they were when Baron's opened with the exception of Bamboo that imposes a 500 Baht "butt-penalty. ".
Correct. PSE prices are the same as they were when Baron's opened with the exception of Bamboo that imposes a 500 Baht "butt-penalty. ".Out of curiosity, does anyone know when Baron's first opened? I am thinking it closed towards the end of 2005, but am not sure about that.
Edit: I just noticed a photo I took at Tulip in October 2002 (assuming the information attached to the photo is correct). So I imagine it opened earlier than that, which would mean no price increases for somewhere around 15 years or more.
At the time I first visited Baron's I remember the go-go prices were 1500 for short-time and 2000 for long-time, although there may have been some room for negotiating from these prices. I don't remember the bar fine amount precisely, but it may have been 400 or 500 baht. So back then, a two-hour session at Baron's cost somewhere between what a short-time and a long-time go-go girl session cost.
Dr. BJ's nuru and saloon still operating. There facebook page can't find any. If anyone can answer highly appreciate.Of course still operate. Was that the question? You can find their webpages with simple search. The shops are now called Chrome Bar and Wood bar and frontage altered.
Wandered into Thermae last night about 11:30 PM. What a horror show. The Japanese were horse racing around the track and there were more plastic surgery disasters then I could imagine. One gal had her nose reduced to nothing and was so botoxed out she looked like an alien. And these gals are demanded 2 K plus? Jeez, would not take 95% of them for 1 k Baht. A shadow of what it was just a few years ago when the Japanese hunters were all very pretty. Really was shocking. I think they need to return the room to its darker self. The bright lights accentuate the flaws. And there are many.
Banana Boi
09-11-16, 08:49
If you're more in to the traditional Thai look with the flared nostrils then Thermae is definitely not the place for you. Since I'm into the Japanese Anime doll look and girls who look more caucasian, Thermae is the place for me.
Out of curiosity, does anyone know when Baron's first opened? I am thinking it closed towards the end of 2005, but am not sure about that.
Edit: I just noticed a photo I took at Tulip in October 2002 (assuming the information attached to the photo is correct). So I imagine it opened earlier than that, which would mean no price increases for somewhere around 15 years or more.
At the time I first visited Baron's I remember the go-go prices were 1500 for short-time and 2000 for long-time, although there may have been some room for negotiating from these prices. I don't remember the bar fine amount precisely, but it may have been 400 or 500 baht. So back then, a two-hour session at Baron's cost somewhere between what a short-time and a long-time go-go girl session cost.CORRECTION: I just noticed I said I took a photo at Tulip in 2002; I meant Baron's. Sorry about that.
Wandered into Thermae last night about 11:30 PM. What a horror show. The Japanese were horse racing around the track and there were more plastic surgery disasters then I could imagine. One gal had her nose reduced to nothing and was so botoxed out she looked like an alien. And these gals are demanded 2 K plus? Jeez, would not take 95% of them for 1 k Baht. A shadow of what it was just a few years ago when the Japanese hunters were all very pretty. Really was shocking. I think they need to return the room to its darker self. The bright lights accentuate the flaws. And there are many.Ha Ha. We do agree that too much bad surgeries makes girls look alien rather than human, or like Ladyboys. Moderate surgeries makes the girls look more western like (not really desirable for me).
I was in there too at the same time, most likely. I was sitting in the middle with a girl in a white dress. I was showing the Thermae to my ex-Billboard girl Tukata, and explaining how it worked. She is all natural and light skin, and to me easily pretty enough to compete well in there, but only small tits. She may have a difficulty in that she perhaps prefers Farang customers, and is very GFE with me, not a quick turn over girl. She might just be too good for the Thermae. LOL Tukata has a killer sweet smile, but is quite timid rather than flamboyant, perhaps lacking in self confidence. Not sure if that matters in the Thermae. Tukata says she has given up Billboard purely due to them having too many girls and new girl arriving every week. She probably acted too conservatively in Billboard with customers looking for a little more flamboyant, show off or raunchy girls, plus some customers want big tits, natural or not.
I did see 3 to 4 other cute girls (natural looking types) in Thermae. One who looked very young got taken by a Japanese guy very promptly. Another I rated as very pretty and previously taken quickly was not getting taken so quick this night (not sure why). One guy talked to two different girls I liked but failed to reach agreement with either. Customers generally seemed slow to decide. Not "horse-racing" by any means. A bit of slow movement around the track but less than some other visits. Moderately crowded. Banana Boy's girl with the big tits was there as always. Quite cute and light skin. She would not take me I am assured. BB said she has the tightest pussy around.
I also took Tukata to see Tilac bar as it is a more conservative bar, or so I thought. Actually the girls there play up quite a bit, and were more raunchy than I expected. They need to be because there aren't any beauties in there, well I am a little unfair, it was after midnight by that time, and the best girls could be BFed already. Tukata could work there and be easily the prettiest to my taste. So standard of looks in Tilac seemed well behind Billboard (at this late time).
I also decided to look in Doll House. After the previous drug addled owner fell off the building to his death, the bar may well have a new owner. The staff in there have changed almost completely. One or two old waitresses perhaps. I did not recognise any dancing girls at all. Quite a few girls dance naked, and there are about 3 Coyote girls. Not much surgeries in there, a couple of tit jobs. Overall standard is higher than the previous set of girls and probably higher than Suzie Wong, for me (liking slimmer girls). Few fatties. Suzie Wong only had 5 or 6 slimmer girls last visit. Stunners?, not really except for one of the Coyotes was exotically pretty and I would certainly fuck her, given the chance. She was busy with a customer. One girl sat with me but she was drunk and pretty stupid. Very few customers. Perhaps Doll House should have some shows like Suzie has to liven it up a tad.
Once it gets really late in some bars, the staff can start to get too drunk, and this is not good whether the drunk girls are dancing girls or service staff. Service staff will very easily fuck up your bill once they get drunk. So I don't recommend attending bars very late in the evening.
By flared nostrils, I presume BB refers to very broad flat noses. Yes very few of those. Plenty of the eagle beak noses (curve down), after bridge of the nose has been altered. Still I could find a few natural cute non-broad small bridge noses as well. Plenty of noses ungainly big even if not broad nor the very typical bulbous tipped (when unaltered) Thai noses.
If Goatscrot thinks the nose jobs were bad, I would say not as bad as in some other places. I have seen far more of a nose horror show in some of the Soapy MPs. My last visit to Emmanuelle line up was far more horrifying than a Thermae visit. Utopia visit was shocking too. Exceedingly bad nose jobs come in various types. One type is the very sharp bird beak type (like Michael Jackson) and another type is where the tip has been raised, making a piggy nose look. Neither of these types were that prevalent in my quick look. More so the witch like hooked noses, or just plastic shiny noses looking like they are glued on.
It looks like the prices have gone up in Thailand in 25 years very disproportionately.
The price of LT with a bargirl has probably risen the most, maybe the price of ST with a bargirl a little less, less still the soapy prices and freelancer prices, and maybe least of all the Oily prices.
So originally bargirls were cheaper than MP girls, and now they are much more expensive. Is this caused by supply and demand? There are an absolutely massive number of massage shops and many massage girls get very few customers. In bars there are such a shortage of really good looking girls, they seem to be in higher demand if they are any good. Seems to allow them to charge more. It was suggested to me that some of the top girls in twisters bar maybe setting quite a high ST price. They would only do that if they can get it. They do have the ability to set their own price unlike an Oily MP. So I think it is the negotiating power that allows Bargirls to get higher prices.
The tourist guy came to Nana and he claimed he paid 8 K to a bargirl (and bar and drinks etc.) and got an ordinary ST. He had no clues to what he should have been paying.
The number of bars with girls to be taken for sex is declining. Hard to make bars profitable. This is perhaps because the girls there are getting too costly to fuck for girls that are just not worth it, in the view of many guys who used to attend bars but not much any more.
Even Twisters is an expensive bar, the girls get plenty of customers. Busier than many other bars. Caters to the big spenders I guess, where some Oily MPs are catering to those who want pornstars at a budget price. The looks of the girls has to suffer.
Twister Bar Saturday night about 10:45 pm, place was packed with customers, unlike downstairs Mandarin and Billboard which had few customers and tons of girls the moment I looked in. Could have changed soon after.
At Twister there were many more young Japanese customers on the "pantyhose" dancer left side stage than I'd seen before. Still, it seemed to me the same lineup of Sweet Young Things on that side wearing pantyhose that I'd seen on previous visits were not being called down or seen walking out with a customer during the half hour or so I spent in there. Maybe the customers are on to something about them despite the waitress once telling me they were available for barfine just like the rest. I didn't interview any of them this time myself. This pantyhose = no go / no sex issue has been circulating around message boards like this one for some time now, many months at least if not over a year, but I have yet to read a field report roundly refuting it. As in something like, "Oh no! I barfined one of those hot pantyhose wearing cuties at so-and-so go-go bar just last night and she provided everything one could reasonably want and expect from a go-go dancer ST!" Never read it online or heard it directly from a trusted punter. Maybe Twister is the exception and where new ground will be broken on such a field report.
Anyway, I quickly spied a young, tall-ish, light skinned, lovely figured, leggy (very good), small natural no kids breasts cutie (no pantyhose) walking by, caught her attention, and she came to me where I was sitting. She began her "lapdance" bit, showing off and applying her well-shaped butt as much as possible. I bought her a ladydrink and chatted her up, being playful with her and the waitresses nearby. Within 10 minutes of mostly sexual playfulness and very little discussion about it, the deal was struck. I asked her how much was the barfine here, already knowing it was 1000 baht, which she confirmed. I didn't ask, but she followed up with "and 2,000 to me, makes it only 3,000 baht!" That was 1000 baht less than what the two waitresses had said all the girls "get" just a few days earlier. And this night it had more customers than on my two previous visits.
She would easily have been one of the more in-demand 2,500+ ST girls in Crazy House's heyday. So that cancelled out the bite of the 1000 baht barfine and then some, imo. No games or tricks in my apartment. No rush. She wasn't watching the clock and neither did I but she must have been there for almost two hours. I was pleased with what transpired and would repeat.
Anyway, I quickly spied a young, tall-ish, light skinned, lovely figured, leggy (very good), small natural no kids breasts cutie (no pantyhose) walking by, caught her attention, and she came to me where I was sitting. She began her "lapdance" bit, showing off and applying her well-shaped butt as much as possible. I bought her a ladydrink and chatted her up, being playful with her and the waitresses nearby. Within 10 minutes of mostly sexual playfulness and very little discussion about it, the deal was struck. I asked her how much was the barfine here, already knowing it was 1000 baht, which she confirmed. I didn't ask, but she followed up with "and 2,000 to me, makes it only 3,000 baht!" That was 1000 baht less than what the two waitresses had said all the girls "get" just a few days earlier. And this night it had more customers than on my two previous visits.
She would easily have been one of the more in-demand 2,500+ ST girls in Crazy House's heyday. So that cancelled out the bite of the 1000 baht barfine and then some, imo. No games or tricks in my apartment. No rush. She wasn't watching the clock and neither did I but she must have been there for almost two hours. I was pleased with what transpired and would repeat.Yes I can confirm that the prices of the girls are not fixed and vary depending on the girl, and what she thinks she can get from the customer.
I won't be asking a pantyhose girl for a fuck, to test the theory, unless of course she happens to be my choice anyway, which is less likely. I saw very few pantyhose girls in total on my last visit. My eyesight is deteriorating at my age (long sighted), so I normally have to look for the mesh covering the girls toes to be absolutely sure since some hose are very sheer and not necessarily a strange colour. If girls toes are not exposed I may have to get quite close (with glasses on) to be sure. I preferred to be located on the right side anyway (very little panty hose if any that side). More my style of girls. Last visit I started on the left side and soon moved to the right side, once I saw the right side talent was better for me including topless girls.
I guess Crazy House Hey Day was 2 to 3 years ago. Not many new girls there are interesting me at all, and almost all my favourites seem to be gone, or attending extremely rarely. It is rumoured that when Old Dutch lease expires, Crazy House will expand into there, but I detect a drop in their business corresponding to deterioration of the line up, and introduction of ugly shows downstairs. So the expansion could easily be a failure. They need to think of back to basics. Gorgeous girls. Level of surgeries is getting too high. Surgeries loving guys will be probably preferring Baccara or Rainbow 4 IMHO. However not all Japanese guys want that. Some even take tan skin in the Thermae. Crazy House is not attracting the same lookers that are in Twisters now. That is why Twisters is starting to be packed after only 4 months. Simply some quality girls. Its a better line up than I ever saw at RB4, IMHO, in terms of some naturally good looks. I think the management of CH has got too complacent thinking they know best, instead of finding out what the customers really want. Certainly not the ugly shows with ugly girls performing them. I may done with CH for the time being. Which ever places have the best girls will pull me. Right now that maybe be Twisters and Billboard. Never would have thought I would be drawn back to Nana. Twisters is well in front of Billboard for me, for both face beauty and for lighting to be able to see them. Billboard girls have good bodies but can't tell easily that faces may not be so fabulous due to very dim lighting. If I still have my 21 YO eyesight, may be no problem. I don't like Twisters music. DJ is doing too modern disco stuff, not really "music" as such.
Twisters is only going 4 months. Not long. I had a waitress of only 2 days at twisters. Obviously not all waitresses are highly experienced and highly knowledgeable about what goes on. When seeking opinions from the staff, we have to assume they are stories/guesses. Only when we starting getting the same story from everyone in there, can we start to assume the stories may have some basis in fact. As you point out ET, theories cannot easily be proven to be always true, but can only be refuted by finding a counterexample, e.g. find the pantyhose girl that is definitely up for a fuck. It's not a big deal for me. I know there are girls who don't fuck, and one of them did not have pantyhose. Even if it happens that 90% of pantyhose girls do not fuck, it won't be of great consequence since I did not even find any pantyhose girls especially attracting me. When I do find one, I can ask her. Meanwhile if pantyhose is upsetting, just ignore those girls. I am far more interested in the quality of the girl's nose, mouth, tits, and ass, tummy, than whether she has pantyhose on, although pantyhose can spoil the looks of the legs, I can admit.
Asian Rain
09-11-16, 14:58
Wandered into Thermae last night about 11:30 PM. What a horror show. The Japanese were horse racing around the track and there were more plastic surgery disasters then I could imagine. One gal had her nose reduced to nothing and was so botoxed out she looked like an alien. And these gals are demanded 2 K plus?Friday night. After tiring of the lineup at CH, with the intention of checking out NEP, I stopped by Thermae. Entered through the back stairs and spotted a girl in the back corner. Cleavage was popping out from a distance and she flashed a smile, so I make a round, grabbed a drink and headed back. As I made the circle, quite a few smiles from some, but nothing to keep me from circling back to the corner.
To make a long story short, it was a quick chat and we were on our way out. I wasn't going to pay the Ruamchitt ST fee, so we walked over to Miami. Full. So flagged a taxi and went to Asoke Place. Back in the room she revealed a package as good as anything I might have gotten at CH. Light smooth skin with no tattoos, taller, braces, well proportioned busty (she said enhanced, but the feeling was totally natural for me), zero body fat, charming nice smile. Service was good, but nothing earth-shattering. Affectionate slow BBBJ with long stroke licking. Her pink love box was a joy to DATY and she warmed up and juiced up nicely before climaxing. Then joy inside her tight love box before I had mine. Afterwards she was off to Rachada to play with her friends.
YMMV, but Thermae delivered a smile in this case for me. Worth more exploration. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.
Asian Rain
09-11-16, 15:43
Where is your experience with black girls? Anywhere is not very specific. I never had any problem with them in Germany or Portugal, in terms of trying to rip me off. Don't identify at all with the non stop talk about money. Is this a Thailand problem?Personally my only experience with black girls was in South Africa and Dubai, and I didn't hold to the saying as I "went back" to my LBFM / Yellow Fever targets. I never had any issue with black girls per-se, just the nappy snatches and musky scent was generally unattractive. The only thing I liked was doing facials for a nice ebony and ivory contrast.
In BKK I find that the black girls are a migratory pack. I have spotted them in groups way up Soi 4 down to Terminal 21. The most common spots have been in the street bars of Soi 7 and lately very frequently under the crossbridge in front of the Westin / Robinsons at Soi 19. They range from lumbering rhicocerous-assed mamas to lithe sexy impalas. When I see them, although they seem quite friendly enough (one approached politely saying "May I say Hello, to you? There is something that I am just not interested enough to stop and kibitz, so I can't comment from experience.
I have seen them also going on Craigslist (see a recent ad http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/cas/5763758635.html) and WeChat (if you are in Asoke / Nana, just do a People Nearby search) recently. I have also seen an pimp / agent-type setup on Facebook (search "African Women in Bangkok" The CL girl also appears on the FB page I believe. So if you are into this segment of working girls, check out and report. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.
Carpaccio18
09-11-16, 21:51
Where is your experience with black girls? Anywhere is not very specific. I never had any problem with them in Germany or Portugal, in terms of trying to rip me off. Don't identify at all with the non stop talk about money. Is this a Thailand problem?My experience is from US, Germany, Italy and Norway, but as said my experience is limited. US is a different story, but the girls I've sampled in Europe were all African, Ghana and thereabouts and I assume the black girls in Thailand are too, although I shall not presume to know if their behavior is different. My statistics are not in their favor, that's why I stay away.
Carpaccio18
09-11-16, 22:11
Still, it seemed to me the same lineup of Sweet Young Things on that side wearing pantyhose that I'd seen on previous visits were not being called down or seen walking out with a customer during the half hour or so I spent in there. Maybe the customers are on to something about them despite the waitress once telling me they were available for barfine just like the rest. I didn't interview any of them this time myself. This pantyhose = no go / no sex issue has been circulating around message boards like this one for some time now, many months at least if not over a year, but I have yet to read a field report roundly refuting it. As in something like, "Oh no! I barfined one of those hot pantyhose wearing cuties at so-and-so go-go bar just last night and she provided everything one could reasonably want and expect from a go-go dancer ST!" Never read it online or heard it directly from a trusted punter. Maybe Twister is the exception and where new ground will be broken on such a field report.Some years ago, I would alternate between Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza whenever I felt going for a Go-Go night, but the last few years there seem to be too many of those coyotes around Nana, so I practically stopped going there. Of course you can find girls to take away (it IS Bangkok...), but I find it rather demotivating to see a crowd of beauties dancing, but knowing you can only get fun from any less attractive girl in the bar. Quite a turn off really. I want to be able to pick the girl I find the most attractive in a Go-Go bar. So nowadays I stick to CH, Tilac and other well-known places.
Surgeries loving guys will be probably preferring Baccara or Rainbow 4 IMHO. However not all Japanese guys want that. Some even take tan skin in the Thermae. Crazy House is not attracting the same lookers that are in Twisters now. That is why Twisters is starting to be packed after only 4 months. Simply some quality girls. Its a better line up than I ever saw at RB4, IMHO, in terms of some naturally good looks. I think the management of CH has got too complacent thinking they know best, instead of finding out what the customers really want. Certainly not the ugly shows with ugly girls performing them. I may done with CH for the time being. Which ever places have the best girls will pull me. Right now that maybe be Twisters and Billboard. Never would have thought I would be drawn back to Nana. Twisters is well in front of Billboard for me, for both face beauty and for lighting to be able to see them. Billboard girls have good bodies but can't tell easily that faces may not be so fabulous due to very dim lighting. If I still have my 21 YO eyesight, may be no problem. I don't like Twisters music. DJ is doing too modern disco stuff, not really "music" as such.
Those looking for small, cute, very young types might want to check out the "downstairs" (2nd Floor, at the top of the escalator) Mandarin Bar. The place was packed with them Saturday night. I thought many of the girls were adorable. They have the same two tier barfine system as the upstairs Mandarin, 1,500 baht for "Special" girls vs 700 baht for the rest. If the "Special" designation provides the same satisfying results (to me) in this bar as the upstairs bar I might have to indulge soon. Biggest turn off though was the girls in this bar exhibited the most aggressive ladydrink pressure I have experienced in a long time. They come at you in groups, hop on your lap, start lobbying for it right away.
Understandably, for many that is a total deal killer for even sitting in a bar. But I was able to fend them off easily enough, use it to demonstrate and establish what to expect or not to expect from me when I walk in again (if they even remember) and am willing to chalk it up to the fact that they had very few customers in there and incomes were probably suffering. A vicious cycle, of course. Maybe one of the reasons there were few customers in there to begin with was the heavy ladydrink pressure.
That said, I have to say there was a ton of ladydrink pressure going on at Twister Bar last Saturday night, too. And not just from the girls on stage and circling past the booths and tables between sets but from the waitresses as well. And there were a LOT of hands stuck out at check bin payment time requesting tips. I smiled and left a reasonable tip in the tray, that's all, as I waited for my girl to change into her street clothes.
Light smooth skin with no tattoos, taller, braces, well proportioned busty (she said enhanced, but the feeling was totally natural for me), zero body fat, charming nice smile.
The Thai doctors have a way of doing breast enhancement that is just incredibly better than anywhere else. Many of the top dancers have enhancements and you can't tell because they have a natural look. They have a beautiful hang and feel very soft (if you get to touch them). I can usually tell if they're enhanced if I get them in the room but otherwise I couldn't tell in their sexy outfits. Kudos to the breast doctors in Thailand.
Some years ago, I would alternate between Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza whenever I felt going for a Go-Go night, but the last few years there seem to be too many of those coyotes around Nana, so I practically stopped going there. Of course you can find girls to take away (it IS Bangkok...), but I find it rather demotivating to see a crowd of beauties dancing, but knowing you can only get fun from any less attractive girl in the bar. Quite a turn off really. I want to be able to pick the girl I find the most attractive in a Go-Go bar. So nowadays I stick to CH, Tilac and other well-known places.Really? My impression over the past few years has been the percentage of no-go Coyotes is much greater in Soi Cowboy than in Nana Plaza. But I am counting the pantyhose wearing girls lined up outside the bars on Soi Cowboy and not dancing on stage inside the bars.
Of the several dozen times a pantyhose wearing Coyote has hooked her arm in mine and tried to drag me into the bar on Soi Cowboy to start buying ladydrinks over the past year or two, not one time has one of them ever said, "Yes, you pay barfine and I go with you!" when I have asked if they go with customers. And I always ask just for fun and to see if the no-go pantyhose Coyote system has changed. It hasn't as far as I can tell. Not on Soi Cowboy that is.
I sat outside at a table with a friend for more than an hour last night and we both were checking out the Coyote behavior up and down the soi on each side of our table. First of all, very few punters allow themselves to get pulled into the bars by those girls anyway. And when they did, the pantyhose wearing girl came right back out to her station within minutes, obviously having handed her mark off to a real barfinable go-go dancer inside or perhaps after taking one sip of the ladydrink he bought for her and then excusing herself to go back to her job of luring the next sucker into the bar.
I don't see that happening nearly as much in Nana Plaza as in Soi Cowboy.
Uncle Volodya
09-12-16, 07:11
The Thai doctors have a way of doing breast enhancement that is just incredibly better than anywhere else. Many of the top dancers have enhancements and you can't tell because they have a natural look. They have a beautiful hang and feel very soft (if you get to touch them). I can usually tell if they're enhanced if I get them in the room but otherwise I couldn't tell in their sexy outfits. Kudos to the breast doctors in Thailand.I too have often been perplexed at how good they are compared to Western boob jobs. What do they do that is so different? Some of these knockers feel so good to the touch that they are actually better than most real big boobs.
I talked to a girl of mine that has a particularly lovely pair and she said the procedure she underwent is super intensive. She was not allowed to drink alcohol for 6 months after.
The Thai doctors have a way of doing breast enhancement that is just incredibly better than anywhere else. Many of the top dancers have enhancements and you can't tell because they have a natural look. They have a beautiful hang and feel very soft (if you get to touch them). I can usually tell if they're enhanced if I get them in the room but otherwise I couldn't tell in their sexy outfits. Kudos to the breast doctors in Thailand.Ha ha. I don't see anything special about the quality of the boob jobs in Thailand. Not sure which countries have worse boob jobs? Girls I have seen topless in Europe are no better no worse. I think its purely dependent on the particular girl, whether she goes for overly exaggerated or subtle job. Sure you my not be able to tell if tits hare encased in a thick hard bra and top, but you can still suspect and still tell easily if a girl is topless in 95% of cases. Natural look? I am not really seeing that in the gogos with topless girls. I hardly take enhanced tits. Occasionally if a very good job or girl has some other amazing qualities. I never ever took a girl with silly-cones from Crazy House for example. Just wasn't necessary with other options.
There are occasions when I see a girl topless where I a not 100% sure if tits are real or fake. That usually means they are real, but just a little bit suspiciously high.
I really am not seeing these so called fabulous boob jobs. Or maybe I see them but do not touch them, and I just don't know how good they supposedly are to touch. I am almost always taking very soft tits, and often quite small tits. If larger they have to bounce, swing, and shimmer to be considered. If they just sit there still not moving and have convex upper curve, then they are definitely fake and I don't take them.
Really? My impression over the past few years has been the percentage of no-go Coyotes is much greater in Soi Cowboy than in Nana Plaza. But I am counting the pantyhose wearing girls lined up outside the bars on Soi Cowboy and not dancing on stage inside the bars.
It purely depends on which bars you go to. If you ruled out the Arab's bars in Cowboy then there would be relatively few Coyotes in Cowboy. Surely no one knows the percentages. Plenty of Cowboy bars have either no Coyotes or a small number of them. Tilac probably has 50% Coyote outfits. However they do not dance as Coyotes, and I did not ask if they were Coyotes or not.
I haven't done a survey of every bar in Cowboy and Nana so I could not possibly say which place is dominated by Coyotes the most. It is certainly on the rise in both locations. I have been in Suckers bar this year but cannot even remember if they had Coyotes or not, but I did not like it. I also did not like Bangkok Bunnies bar. Other bars visited in Nana all had Coyotes.
I have visited several bars in Cowboy with either no Coyotes or very minimal Coyotes like Doll House. So it just depends on which bars you go to. No point in going to the Arab's bars.
My experience is from US, Germany, Italy and Norway, but as said my experience is limited. US is a different story, but the girls I've sampled in Europe were all African, Ghana and thereabouts and I assume the black girls in Thailand are too, although I shall not presume to know if their behavior is different. My statistics are not in their favor, that's why I stay away.The black girls and semi-black girls in Europe have been pretty damn good overall, coming from Ghana, Kenya, Dom Rep, Jamaica, Brazil, Puerto Rico, etc. More reliable than the white girls. Maybe I just went to the right place to find good ones, being FKK. Only a limited percentage were pretty enough to interest me. I am quite picky.
Biggest turn off though was the girls in this bar exhibited the most aggressive ladydrink pressure I have experienced in a long time. They come at you in groups, hop on your lap, start lobbying for it right away.
Have to agree with that. I did not take to Mandarin Downstairs for exactly this reason. Meanwhile upstairs was just dead at the last visit, girls even disinterested in dancing (unmotivated). It has definitely declined. Certain bars in Nana over the years have really turned me off badly due to the aggression and pressure. RB3 was a shocker years ago. It's like you could not just sit watching, in peace for more than 60 seconds before someone would come to hassle you.
I also did not really take to Spankys bar. Tried it a couple of time, but I don't like the Spanking stuff. Its too noisy for me, just like I don't like balloon popping shows (elsewhere). Did manage to BF one good girl from there but long ago.
I think Billboard and Twisters are significantly better bars for quality. Mercury can be a fun bar, especially very late with some Isaan music included, but unfortunately most gogo girls are pudgy (overweight to my taste). I only went there to see very specific superior girls that have not been attending recently. I don't really rate any of the other bars in Nana Plaza that I tried. Forget Suckers (low quality). Bangkok Bunnies is only for Silicone lovers, IMHO. RB4 for Surgeries and white skin lovers.
Haven't tried the new Candyland in recent times at all, nor Straps, nor RB1 and RB3.
Last night I saw my first ever Ping Pong show in Suzi Wong. Just a gimmick of no eroticism. I had previously thought a Ping Pong show was where the balls popped out of pussy and dropped into a glass. However maybe that was an Eggs show, I forget (totally disinterested). Last night the girl with special talented pussy was firing the Ping Pong balls across the bar towards customers with Ping Pong bats who would hit the balls back across to opposite side of the bar. I suppose many guys know about this show already, but was first time I ever saw it. I have seen plenty of darts popping balloons shows , needles shows, razor blade shows, smoking pussy shows etc. All dumb stuff for tourists.
Strangely, although Suzi Wong had very few customers (well down from normal), mostly fat girls, the place had a fun party type atmosphere, where Doll House, with better quality girls overall and slightly more customers last night, had a very dreary atmosphere. Not sure why that is.
Member #4591
09-12-16, 12:44
Last night I headed down to Climax around 2:30 AM. Stayed for about 1 hour but the talent was just awful. I left amd went explorimg the cart bars and found a lovely 19 year old beauty. Report soon in Asian Rains new blog. Apparently I must have just missed the Army raiding the place a few minutes later. Very few late night spots left boys.
Asian Rain
09-12-16, 18:54
Intended again to make my way to Nana Plaza this evening. Stopped by Thermae and couldn't get past the stench of smoke wafting up the back stairs. Japanese just love their cancer sticks. I just breezed through and saw some nice faces, but nothing worth slowing my roll for the fresh air. Made my way up Sukhimvit. The Africans had settled in the street bars near the McDo. Got over to Nana Car Park at about 10:45. Nothing. Decided to walk up Soi 4. Got worse and worse. Looks like there is major renovation happening in shops in front of Rajah hotel. Hillary and the ladyboy bar in the back corner dark and closed, so appears like more gentrification on its way.
Circled back with full intention to get to NEP. Stopped by Nana Car Park again. Spotted a slim cutie in cutoff shorts sitting in front of Hooters who quick-flashed a lovely smile. Sat down and said Hello,. Immediately got the "Go with you". I was all for that. 21 yo. Claimed she was working in a 7-11. Went over to di Place and did the 300 b check-in. Unwrapped to reveal a sweet little package. Smooth latte-brown tattoo-less skin with modest perky A-cup tits. Not an ounce of fat. No baby. Tight firm rear end. Other than no real kissing, everything else was good. Open to direction. Licked nipples. Then down south for a soft slow blow job. My turn and licked her soft brown teenie nipples. Migrated down to enjoy a natural Bush which responded very well to DATY. Love box was a tight envelope of pleasure. All good stuff.
Walked back and took another glance at Nana Car Park. Spotted an even cuter small girl with braces. She would have been well at home in Thermae. In retrospect should have stopped and gotten a contact. I can't say tonight's experience is representative of my typical run through NCP, but it put a more positive spin on my recent images of the scene. In the end didn't miss the pantyhose coyote girls, nagging for lady drinks or barfines of NEP, but will surely get around to it. All options need to be explored and "polled" for potential. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.
Carpaccio18
09-12-16, 22:15
It purely depends on which bars you go to. If you ruled out the Arab's bars in Cowboy then there would be relatively few Coyotes in Cowboy. Surely no one knows the percentages. Plenty of Cowboy bars have either no Coyotes or a small number of them. Tilac probably has 50% Coyote outfits. However they do not dance as Coyotes, and I did not ask if they were Coyotes or not.
I haven't done a survey of every bar in Cowboy and Nana so I could not possibly say which place is dominated by Coyotes the most. It is certainly on the rise in both locations. I have been in Suckers bar this year but cannot even remember if they had Coyotes or not, but I did not like it. I also did not like Bangkok Bunnies bar. Other bars visited in Nana all had Coyotes.
I have visited several bars in Cowboy with either no Coyotes or very minimal Coyotes like Doll House. So it just depends on which bars you go to. No point in going to the Arab's bars.Matches my perception. Have by mistake wandered into Spice Girls one evening, lovely young girls but no sex in sight, so for sure there are Coyotes in cowboy. Stay away from the Arab. But luckily only very few if any in the good bars. Tilac is easy to figure out, the girls up for fun don't use underwear.
Circled back with full intention to get to NEP. Stopped by Nana Car Park again. Spotted a slim cutie in cutoff shorts sitting in front of Hooters who quick-flashed a lovely smile. Sat down and said Hello,. Immediately got the "Go with you". I was all for that. 21 yo. Claimed she was working in a 7-11. Went over to di Place and did the 300 b check-in. Unwrapped to reveal a sweet little package. Smooth latte-brown tattoo-less skin with modest perky A-cup tits. Not an ounce of fat. No baby. Tight firm rear end. Other than no real kissing, everything else was good. Open to direction. Licked nipples. Then down south for a soft slow blow job. My turn and licked her soft brown teenie nipples. Migrated down to enjoy a natural Bush which responded very well to DATY. Love box was a tight envelope of pleasure. All good stuff.
This matches very closely a girl I took recently (name something like "Oh" rising tone), however perhaps not the same one. Like you, I got no real kissing but everything else was reasonably good. I managed to get moderate LFK kissing out of one tall girl Nim (with good big tits), but did not find a girl (Nana freelancer) yet really full on with the DFK. In contrast, gogo girls from Nana gave me full on DFK (really sweet lovey-dovey types), with no problems at all, but cost double the price, or more, including BF and drinks. If I could find a full on GFE and pretty freelancer at freelancer prices, I could be really happy.
I think you can find a small number of really cute girls at Thermae, if willing to stay a bit longer. Whether they can be as good as my best gogo girls, I am yet to determine. I am concerned about them not really wanting Farangs and being quick turnover girls with no stamina.
My last gogo girl, skinny Nott (aged about 22) from Suzi Wong (known her for years) was so horny Sunday night, I definitely could not see any difference from being a very horny GF at that time of month just before the period when they want it badly. I believe she got 2 cums in DATY and two in cowgirl position. Was the best session ever with her. She is a mother but in good condition other than tits a little saggy. Probably have fucked her up to 20 times over the years, so we know each other well. Lost count. She is still a bit shy, and doesn't want to hear my comments on how horny she was, as though it is not seemly for a girl to be so horny (on occasion). "Ngian" in Thai means horny, but it is not considered a polite word, so I cannot say to the girl she was "ngian". Even "mee arom" (having the mood or desire) is less direct and more polite but still makes her blush. That is the safer phrase to use, when I want to tease her. If I said "ngian", she would probably hit me (not too forcefully).
So my quest is to find some freelancers than can be just as good as my best gogo girls. A little bit hard to get both the looks and the total GFE but not impossible. Keep hunting. I need to get a lucky pick in Thermae next try. Last girl there was good except for microbe phobia so could not get even close to kissing.
I hate when a girl will suck dick no problem but scared to have your tongue in her mouth. I don't see the logic in it. Many Viruses are airborne and easily contracted just by breathing on the girls face. Kissing makes little practical difference. I hopefully don't have bad breath as do not smoke or drink beer and clean mouth very thoroughly including the tongue (important). Plenty of girls are enthusiastic for the DFK. I guess these girls may be girls of significantly longer and broader sexual experience, compared to average young part time free lancer. I do recall some fabulous GFE all night girls from Thermae of yesteryear long gone by.
Matches my perception. Have by mistake wandered into Spice Girls one evening, lovely young girls but no sex in sight, so for sure there are Coyotes in cowboy. Stay away from the Arab. But luckily only very few if any in the good bars. Tilac is easy to figure out, the girls up for fun don't use underwear.Had one funny experience, a while back. At Crazy house I decided finally to try fucking Kratae, a coffee coloured skin girl that looks a bit like Rihanna, has worked at CH since it opened. Shortist hair and killer tight body dances nude, a few tats. When I mentioned barfining her, she say she preferred to go to a disco. I was surprised. She did not say directly that she does not fuck, or had a period, or a pussy problem, so I don't know what was going on. Could have been age problem. Maybe she already heard rumours about me not being a quick easy fuck. I sort of assumed all CH girls fuck, but can't be certain. Always possible to get a knock back for one reason or another. Anyway she was more interested in getting drinks from as many customers as possible that night.
I have recently learned she has no Thai ID Card, and sometimes tries to borrow one from another girl. It was suggested she is old enough, but possibly is not real Thai (her look is unusual). Can also be simply that a girl has never had an ID card, because they have to through a process with various evidence documents back in the home town to get one. Another possibility is card was lost and girl has not had opportunity to go through all the processes to get a new one.
Was funny when she wanted to borrow ID Card from Oom (91). The two girls don't look remotely similar really to my eye. Very different skin colour for a start. Perhaps Hotels do not check ID card matches the girl too closely.
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