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I'm an anal guy. Love those nasty anal gapes. I haven't been to Thailand yet, but is it a good place to go looking for anal? Any recommendations of clubs with good anal girls or even girl contacts? Any tips for approaching the subject?
Thanks,
Teddy.Snow white, Mango Massage, Bamboo as a start.
Banana Boi
11-14-16, 12:05
I went to Bangkok Beat last month and it was a bunch of old ladies working in there. Did I miss something?
Dextro Sol
11-14-16, 12:13
It's confirmed by my lady friend. Tonight is the last evening for Bangkok Beat.
Within 3 weeks I will check by myself.This picture from their Facebook confirms they are closing. I think its sad, I really enjoyed Bkk Beat.
Asian Rain
11-14-16, 14:40
I went to Bangkok Beat last month and it was a bunch of old ladies working in there. Did I miss something?Ditto that. Have been in there twice in the last month and not a single lady below 30 yo. Enjoy, AsianRain.
Asian Rain
11-14-16, 14:46
I'm an anal guy. Love those nasty anal gapes. I haven't been to Thailand yet, but is it a good place to go looking for anal? Any recommendations of clubs with good anal girls or even girl contacts? Any tips for approaching the subject?.Check out the two threads on Bangkok Massage Parlors. Snow White or Tulip is the place to start. Plenty of ass to rip there as it is their specialty. Just walk in, ask for a line up, say "FUCK ASS" and wait for the girls to put up their hands. Pick accordingly. If you want to play on the safe side for body looks, ask which girls "NO HAVE BABY". Quite a few hands will go down, but what is left should give some reasonable choice. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.
As it seems, life get's back to normal at the 14th November.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/tceb-statement-thai-government-announces-end-of-30-day-restriction-on-public-entertainment-and-festivities-following-the-passing-of-his-majesty-king-bhumibol-adulyadej-300359670.htmlAs announced, most things are now back to normal. Cowboy had open last night until 3 am, Insanity until 4 am and so on. Most establishments seems still cautious, but opening times almost back to normal now. Enjoy mates!
I was in Cowboy tonight and I saw an attractive girl from Cowboy 2. I asked her to go home with me, but she said the price was 3,000 for her and 3,000 for the bar. I said, "how about 600 for the bar and 2,000 for you?" She took me in to talk with the mamasan who was firm on 6,000. I tried several other bars and they all said 6,000. What happened? Is this the going rate now? It seems way too high. I didn't pay the price. I would appreciate any comments on the going rate for Cowboy and Nana now.
Canyon.
I was in Cowboy tonight and I saw an attractive girl from Cowboy 2. I asked her to go home with me, but she said the price was 3,000 for her and 3,000 for the bar. I said, "how about 600 for the bar and 2,000 for you?" She took me in to talk with the mamasan who was firm on 6,000. I tried several other bars and they all said 6,000. What happened? Is this the going rate now? It seems way too high. I didn't pay the price. I would appreciate any comments on the going rate for Cowboy and Nana now.
Canyon.I was in Soi Cowboy and Nana a few months ago and a lot has changed. They tried ripping us off and quoted very high prices. Also, there have been lots of reports of SCAMS with the girls and bar managers. IMO, the best value in Bangkok are the Soapies, and freelancer spots.
Mahalo.
Strikesfun
11-15-16, 21:14
Hi thanks for update. Good to hear.
Magic Table does not get much of a mention, and when it does it is usually dismissed. I was in Soi 7 last week and popped in for a drink about 5.00 pm. Started chatting with one of the girls about early closure etc and she started getting very hands on and seemed very horny. Went upstairs and had a great experience. Multiple shots and one she insisted I come in her mouth. I would definitely repeat.
I was in Cowboy tonight and I saw an attractive girl from Cowboy 2. I asked her to go home with me, but she said the price was 3,000 for her and 3,000 for the bar. I said, "how about 600 for the bar and 2,000 for you?" She took me in to talk with the mamasan who was firm on 6,000. I tried several other bars and they all said 6,000. What happened? Is this the going rate now? It seems way too high. I didn't pay the price. I would appreciate any comments on the going rate for Cowboy and Nana now.
Canyon.Sounds like you encountered a series of Coyote girls in those bars. But there are plenty of regular real go-go dancers working in the Soi Cowboy bars who will do ST for the rates you countered with or very close to them.
Thanks for doing the right thing in just walking away when they held firm on that riduculous 3000 + 3000 figure, UNLESS the girl was absolutely positively guarranteeing it would be for a very Long Time of delivering anything and everything your heart and body desired without hesitation, restriction or hassle along with a great big smile of appreciation before, during and after or you get a full refund. LOL. In which case 6000 baht might not be such a bad deal for a really hot Coyote.
However, I'm guessing no such assurance was made by the girl. So you were right to walk away from the scam.
Magic Table does not get much of a mention, and when it does it is usually dismissed. I was in Soi 7 last week and popped in for a drink about 5.00 pm. Started chatting with one of the girls about early closure etc and she started getting very hands on and seemed very horny. Went upstairs and had a great experience. Multiple shots and one she insisted I come in her mouth. I would definitely repeat.Thanks for the report. I have had a couple of good experiences at Magic Table too. But I should point out that it is located on Soi 7/1, not Soi 7. Oh, and you say you "went upstairs" with the girl? I didn't know Magic Table had VIP or ST rooms "upstairs". In fact, I didn't even know they had an "upstairs" in the place. I have only used the rooms in the back of the bar on the same level as the bar.
I'll check that out next time myself to see how those upstairs rooms compare to the ones on the bar level.
I was in Cowboy tonight and I saw an attractive girl from Cowboy 2. I asked her to go home with me, but she said the price was 3,000 for her and 3,000 for the bar. I said, "how about 600 for the bar and 2,000 for you?" She took me in to talk with the mamasan who was firm on 6,000. I tried several other bars and they all said 6,000. What happened? Is this the going rate now? It seems way too high. I didn't pay the price. I would appreciate any comments on the going rate for Cowboy and Nana now.
Canyon.She was obviously that places best looking girl. So they did not want her to leave. It was a smart idea to not pay that. Girls that work at gogo places usually have a great body but service may be rushed and they want to get back to the club ASAP.
I was in Cowboy tonight and I saw an attractive girl from Cowboy 2. I asked her to go home with me, but she said the price was 3,000 for her and 3,000 for the bar. I said, "how about 600 for the bar and 2,000 for you?" She took me in to talk with the mamasan who was firm on 6,000. I tried several other bars and they all said 6,000. What happened? Is this the going rate now? It seems way too high. I didn't pay the price. I would appreciate any comments on the going rate for Cowboy and Nana now.
Canyon.It simple. You were in the wrong bars.
Coyote girls in Cowboy are not really an option at all in many bars. There may be exceptions like coyotes in Doll House as example are not that expensive and I assume also not in Raw hide and Tilac.
I took a Coyote girl in Billboard Nana plaza with no problems at all. Very lovey dovey girl who since moved to Jail Birdz which I am yet to visit.
I was in Soi Cowboy and Nana a few months ago and a lot has changed. They tried ripping us off and quoted very high prices. Also, there have been lots of reports of SCAMS with the girls and bar managers. IMO, the best value in Bangkok are the Soapies, and freelancer spots.
Mahalo.Aloha Bearhug9,
I agree that the freelancer scene in BKK is most definitely superb, but I am also warm to the gogo scene. So could you expound on your statement that "they tried to rip us off"? How did they try to rip you off? Quoting high prices is not really a scam, but did they (who?) do something coercive? You're not talking about the "up-stairs Patpong" kind of rip-off, are you? And perhaps you could name the specific establishments so we can have a frame of reference. Such information is good to have out in the open, with details and specifics.
I went to Bangkok Beat last month and it was a bunch of old ladies working in there. Did I miss something?Nope, you did not miss anything. That's been my experience too. Perhaps after they close, if they re-open, it will be refurbished with a more modern interior and an updated set of ladies on offer. But I would not hold my breath.
Magic Table does not get much of a mention, and when it does it is usually dismissed. I was in Soi 7 last week and popped in for a drink about 5.00 pm. Started chatting with one of the girls about early closure etc and she started getting very hands on and seemed very horny. Went upstairs and had a great experience. Multiple shots and one she insisted I come in her mouth. I would definitely repeat.It's in Soi 7/1. I've been there in February and I must say that I was pleasantly surprised with the place. Actually only reason that I've entered that bar was because it was located in the same Soi as my hotel.
It's not the place to visit if you are looking for stunning beauty. Average looking girls at best, late 20's to early 30's, elevated stage for dancers with only their skirts on, decent beer prices. BJ is 1000 thb and full service in VIP rooms upstairs 2000 thb. VIP rooms are just basic for their purpose. No need for barfine for ST. Girl that I took upstairs performed fantastic. I think it was labeled with number 2.
After couple of great looking girls from Cowboy and Nana that I barfined during my stay but also quite poor performances in my room later, this was very satisfying experience.
Thanks for the report. I have had a couple of good experiences at Magic Table too. But I should point out that it is located on Soi 7/1, not Soi 7. Oh, and you say you "went upstairs" with the girl? I didn't know Magic Table had VIP or ST rooms "upstairs". In fact, I didn't even know they had an "upstairs" in the place. I have only used the rooms in the back of the bar on the same level as the bar.
I'll check that out next time myself to see how those upstairs rooms compare to the ones on the bar level.They have rooms upstairs. You can take a lift or stairs. The lift ride was quite fun, she had her tongue down my throat and her hands down my pants.
Robert Long
11-17-16, 02:51
I walked in to Crazy House on Nov 4th and it was not working, closed. Walked down to Soi 22 to check out Bangkot Oily and there were only 3 Low end ladies waiting. Walked back to a massage parlor on Soi 19 and partake of a cute lady that gave good service. 2000 baht + 400 Massage. She originally asked for 3000. Soi 19 has a lot of Massage shops with a lot of hungry ladies in front. Don't pay the asking price nego until they drop.
RL.
Mosquito2002
11-17-16, 03:49
What's the going rate for 1 pill / packet of viagra / kamagra on the streets now?
Nope, you did not miss anything. That's been my experience too. Perhaps after they close, if they re-open, it will be refurbished with a more modern interior and an updated set of ladies on offer. But I would not hold my breath.Bangkok Beat is scheduled to re-open mid December as New Wave II, so feel free to exhale LOL.
SL.
I walked in to Crazy House on Nov 4th and it was not working, closed. Walked down to Soi 22 to check out Bangkot Oily and there were only 3 Low end ladies waiting. Walked back to a massage parlor on Soi 19 and partake of a cute lady that gave good service. 2000 baht + 400 Massage. She originally asked for 3000. Soi 19 has a lot of Massage shops with a lot of hungry ladies in front. Don't pay the asking price nego until they drop.
RL.Standard price is 1500, not 2000.
What's the going rate for 1 pill / packet of viagra / kamagra on the streets now?I bought six boxes of four in each box of 100mg Viagra tablets from a street vendor on Sukhumvit a couple of months ago for 1000 baht total. That being 24 tablets, the net cost was about 41 baht per 100mg tablet / pill. I split those tablets in half before taking so, essentially, I was getting a 50mg (as stated on the box and on the pills, true or not) tablet/pill of Viagra for about 20 baht each. And, as usual, they worked as advertised every time with no noticeable negative side effects. Well, I've still got a few half tablets left from that stash that have not yet been tested. hehe
I decided to take a break from my usual Cialis regime with the Viagra. Last time I bought 100mg tablets of street vendor Cialis, it cost me 1000 baht to get 60 tablets/pills of those. That was maybe 3 months ago. Therefore, the net cost for a 100mg tablet/pill of street vendor Cialis was about 17 baht each. I didn't split those tablets in half, not for the sake of cost or anything like that but because I found the 100mg Viagra tablets/pills to be a bit too strong, they made me feel flushed and a bit light headed. Splitting them in half was the fix for that. But that isn't the case with the 100mg of Cialis. I'm fine with a 100mg Cialis tablet/pill.
I'm not a Kamagra guy apparently. I tried a jell packet a couple of times but wasn't impressed. So I don't have any experience with volume purchases of Kamagra on the street.
I bought six boxes of four in each box of 100mg Viagra tablets from a street vendor on Sukhumvit a couple of months ago for 1000 baht total. That being 24 tablets, the net cost was about 41 baht per 100mg tablet / pill. I split those tablets in half before taking so, essentially, I was getting a 50mg (as stated on the box and on the pills, true or not) tablet/pill of Viagra for about 20 baht each. And, as usual, they worked as advertised every time with no noticeable negative side effects. Well, I've still got a few half tablets left from that stash that have not yet been tested. hehe
.There is a policy on this forum of not lecturing people about sexual practices that may or may not cause harm to themselves. And I guess that the same goes for other activities that may or may not harm a person.
Having said that, I take it that you completely understand the kind of health risks you take when you buy any medication from street vendors.
I know people who worked to reduce the number of fake medications in countries neighbouring Thailand where such fakes found their way into pharmacies. They would try to trace the fakes back to China and other countries by various scientific methods with some success and have the factories closed down. Most of the medications had so little of the active ingredient as to be useless. Some contained contaminants that were harmful even to a normally healthy person.
There is a policy on this forum of not lecturing people about sexual practices that may or may not cause harm to themselves. And I guess that the same goes for other activities that may or may not harm a person.
Having said that, I take it that you completely understand the kind of health risks you take when you buy any medication from street vendors.
I know people who worked to reduce the number of fake medications in countries neighbouring Thailand where such fakes found their way into pharmacies. They would try to trace the fakes back to China and other countries by various scientific methods with some success and have the factories closed down. Most of the medications had so little of the active ingredient as to be useless. Some contained contaminants that were harmful even to a normally healthy person.Do a google news search for Jon Jones. He thought he was taking an erectile dysfunction drug but turns out it contained clomiphene and letrozole and he's now banned from UFC. Buying stuff sold on the streets of Thai RLDs is no more sensible than buying stuff from online pharmacies.
There is a policy on this forum of not lecturing people about sexual practices that may or may not cause harm to themselves. And I guess that the same goes for other activities that may or may not harm a person.
Having said that, I take it that you completely understand the kind of health risks you take when you buy any medication from street vendors.
I know people who worked to reduce the number of fake medications in countries neighbouring Thailand where such fakes found their way into pharmacies. They would try to trace the fakes back to China and other countries by various scientific methods with some success and have the factories closed down. Most of the medications had so little of the active ingredient as to be useless. Some contained contaminants that were harmful even to a normally healthy person.You are right. I do completely understand the kind of health risks I take when I buy boner pills from street vendors in Bangkok. And when I engage in the sexual practices that I have enjoyed for 40+ years in the USA, Thailand and many other places around the world. I'm fine with both. But I am not just fine with them based simply on wishful thinking. At the very least, the overwhelming empirical evidence supports the conclusion that the pills I take and the sexual practices I enjoy are quite a bit safer and less dangerous to my health and well being than many other activities most of us engage in regularly if not on a daily basis just moving from one location to another on a motorbike, crossing the street, riding in a bus on the expressway, eating street food, eating popular fast food in the chain restaurants, texting while walking, sitting in a smoke-filled bar, drinking alcohol, voting Republican, etc.
But I do appreciate your concern for my health and well being. Seriously, no joke about that. However, you really needn't worry too much about it.
Orange Crust
11-17-16, 20:59
Orange Crust, any name or better description? Sounds like a winner!Hi, definitely was a repeat and I had a great time the second night. Her name is Fawn, coyote tag 154 or 145. You can't miss her, a tall 160 cm, maybe 48 kg tops.
BTW, I had one of my best lines with a spinner today. She was a soaking wet 42 kg tiny 22 y o. She asked e how much I weighed, I said 100 kg and she was like ooowwwe. I then pointed to my cock and said one KG. Christ, I thought she was going to have a heart attack she was laughing so hard. Exhanged Line and going to see her tomorrow or Saturday. Met her at Thermae tonight, another shy girl in the corner. I asked her how much and she said ST, 2,000 and paused. The finished the number as 2000 five hundred so I know she added a surcharge. Said, no, I only pay you 2000ST, you come? No pause, just a nod. Sweet young lady from Phuket, opened up after joking with her in room. Still shy but good solid experience.
Eszpresszo
11-17-16, 21:40
Having said that, I take it that you completely understand the kind of health risks you take when you buy any medication from street vendors...My concern about buying pharmaceuticals from a street vendor would be the condition of the drugs, after being displayed out in the open elements and subject to constant moving around in transit. Exposure to the heat of Thailand isn't going to help the potency of the drugs. Many drugs need to be stored in a cool or moderate temperature, and a stable temperature at that. We would have no idea of how long these pills would have been stored in a hot warehouse. And these drugs do have a shelf life that is relative to their potency. I remember finding a single dose of Levitra in a bottle I had misplaced from a 4 year old prescription. I took it and it didn't have any effect, though it worked wonders when it was fresh.
Seems like it is easy enough to get ED drugs from a legitimate pharmacist at a decent price, as reported by others on this forum.
Rocky Singh
11-17-16, 21:44
We will be 4 guys in Bangkok. If we take 4 girls with us for LT and after one shot we want to exchange them among us then it is possible? Or the girls do it just with the guy they have gone with? Any inputs will be highly appreciated.
We will be 4 guys in Bangkok. If we take 4 girls with us for LT and after one shot we want to exchange them among us then it is possible? Or the girls do it just with the guy they have gone with? Any inputs will be highly appreciated.No, they'll make you pay for each guy. No switching. In fact, I imagine they'll be unhappy at the mention of doing that. If you did find four who agreed, they'd want showers between each switch.
Some places cater to threesomes or fantasies, but I highly doubt you'll find that specific fantasy in Thailand.
I bought six boxes of four in each box of 100mg Viagra tablets from a street vendor on Sukhumvit a couple of months ago for 1000 baht total. That being 24 tablets, the net cost was about 41 baht per 100mg tablet / pill. I split those tablets in half before taking so, essentially, I was getting a 50mg (as stated on the box and on the pills, true or not) tablet/pill of Viagra for about 20 baht each. And, as usual, they worked as advertised every time with no noticeable negative side effects. Well, I've still got a few half tablets left from that stash that have not yet been tested. hehe
I decided to take a break from my usual Cialis regime with the Viagra. Last time I bought 100mg tablets of street vendor Cialis, it cost me 1000 baht to get 60 tablets/pills of those. That was maybe 3 months ago. Therefore, the net cost for a 100mg tablet/pill of street vendor Cialis was about 17 baht each. I didn't split those tablets in half, not for the sake of cost or anything like that but because I found the 100mg Viagra tablets/pills to be a bit too strong, they made me feel flushed and a bit light headed. Splitting them in half was the fix for that. But that isn't the case with the 100mg of Cialis. I'm fine with a 100mg Cialis tablet/pill.
I'm not a Kamagra guy apparently. I tried a jell packet a couple of times but wasn't impressed. So I don't have any experience with volume purchases of Kamagra on the street.Why take the risk when you can buy this same Viagra for THB200, sometimes THB180 is quantity is larger, from a pharmacy located on main road near to Soi 4 and besides Bully's Pub. Easy to locate as you will see a big bull displayed outside the pub.
Wolvenvacht
11-18-16, 08:17
We will be 4 guys in Bangkok. If we take 4 girls with us for LT and after one shot we want to exchange them among us then it is possible? Or the girls do it just with the guy they have gone with? Any inputs will be highly appreciated.Let's say it is not impossible, but you will have to negotiate and agree beforehand. Contrary to what many people assume, most Thai (including the bargirls and sexworkers) are quite conservative sexually. Orgie style sex, woman-swapping, actually anything other than one-on-one sex is not a guaranteed "yes".
There have been a few reports some years ago of many-to-many parties, but they were prepared carefully with some girls that knew all participants well.
Nevertheless it is worth a try and don't forget to report here when you pull it off!
Why take the risk when you can buy this same Viagra for THB200, sometimes THB180 is quantity is larger, from a pharmacy located on main road near to Soi 4 and besides Bully's Pub. Easy to locate as you will see a big bull displayed outside the pub.Ok, I'll stop by there in the next few days and ask for the 50mg tablets of Viagra for 20 baht each and the 100mg tablets of Cialis for 17 baht each and stock up. Thanks for the tip.
My concern about buying pharmaceuticals from a street vendor would be the condition of the drugs, after being displayed out in the open elements and subject to constant moving around in transit. Exposure to the heat of Thailand isn't going to help the potency of the drugs. Many drugs need to be stored in a cool or moderate temperature, and a stable temperature at that. We would have no idea of how long these pills would have been stored in a hot warehouse. And these drugs do have a shelf life that is relative to their potency. I remember finding a single dose of Levitra in a bottle I had misplaced from a 4 year old prescription. I took it and it didn't have any effect, though it worked wonders when it was fresh.
Seems like it is easy enough to get ED drugs from a legitimate pharmacist at a decent price, as reported by others on this forum.I understand what you mean. But why would you think the employees who happened to be the right size for the white jackets they had on hand at Boots or Watsons as well as the truck drivers who deliver product to brick and mortar pharmacies in Thailand have all been so diligent about keeping the product the exact right temperature all the way down the line until you purchased it? I am not aware of any other system in Thailand where everyone followed the "rules" so diligently all the way down the line from production to end user. But maybe the so-called "legitimate" pharmacies are the lone exception.
I do know this; in my experience, the guy wearing a white jacket in Boots is every bit as apt to, for instance, insist that the 1200 baht box of 4 Cialis tablets he is selling me is "Eli Lilly original" when a closer scrutiny of the box clearly indicates it is a generic knock off. So much for any noble or consumer safety-conscious advantage to the so-called "legitimate" pharmacies in Thailand. You know, the same ones that are internationally renowned and popular for not requiring a doctor's prescription for all kinds of potentially dangerous drugs for which every pharmacy in the USA requires one.
We will be 4 guys in Bangkok. If we take 4 girls with us for LT and after one shot we want to exchange them among us then it is possible? Or the girls do it just with the guy they have gone with? Any inputs will be highly appreciated.I would go to Eden Club (Soi 7/1) and discuss it with the manager. The ladies there are available for outcall bookings, and are more comfortable with non-traditional scenes.
SL.
Stopped into the 2nd floor Mandarin go-go bar in Nana Plaza about 8:30 PM last night to check out their Bunny themed party. You get a couple of bite-sized sandwiches and draw a ticket from a jar to see if you win a free fruit punch drink or not. I won! LOL. The girls looked cute with the bunny ears and cotton tails on the usual bikini / short skirt garb. Don't remember if it extends through the rest of the weekend or if it was just a Friday night event.
I was dragged into the bar at the top of the plaza escalator by a somewhat dignified looking old mamasan, something I usually resist at all costs. But for whatever reason, maybe because I had no real plan or agenda for the night but to stroll around and observe the parade and the fact that this mamasan looked like one of those well dressed Thai ladies emerging from a Mercedes on the way to Temple on a Sunday morning, I just smiled and let her lead the way to see what her idea of a good time for me was. I didn't want to sit on a stool next to one of their little stages so I chose a booth seat against the wall instead. It was still next to an elevated stage, of course. But it was a random selection on my part, had nothing to do with what the girls dancing on that stage looked like or anything.
My first impression was the Lady Drink hustle in this bar was practically non-existent compared with the very aggressive mob scene I had experienced before and that had actually influenced my decision not to go in there again for a while. My second impression was the girl who happened to be dancing right in front of me on that stage was kind of cute. As I watched her dance and she and I began our little lookie-smile communication back and forth, she began to look even cuter. She wasn't a standout. She was your basic, very young (21), slender, well-proportioned, mildly tattooed, coffee colored skin, cute faced Isaan girl. But I was growing to like the way she moved her butt right before my eyes and smiled down at me.
When her dance set was over, I patted the spot next to me in the booth, she immediately placed her butt in it and I bought her a Lady Drink shot. We sat relatively politely next to each other, a bit of thigh rubbing but not very much. Then a couple of very tame pecks on the cheeks and lips. A bit of chat about family (she had one baby), birth location, no discussion of barfine. I honestly thought she wasn't all that interested in barfining. After a reasonable amount of time, she went back up on stage and danced another set. I stayed put. After her dance set, I indicated I wanted her to sit with me again and bought her another Lady Drink. This time she ordered a fruit punch drink like the one I "won" with the ticket. She moved in a little more assertively than before, her and my hands roamed around a little more, the kissing began to include some tongue action but not slobbering all over each other.
So after a few more minutes, I asked her if she wanted to barfine. Yes. Does she like LT or ST? ST, because "blah blah blah", I couldn't really hear the reason with the loud music and didn't need to hear it anyway. "How much is the barfine here?" 1,500 baht. 'Oh", I say, "you are one of the "special" girls, right?" She just smiled back, maybe she didn't hear me. In the Mandarin bars there are regular girls for whom the barfine is 700-800 baht (not sure) and "special" girls for whom the barfine is 1,500 baht. It is anyone's guess as to what sets the two categories of girls apart, but I have my own assessment of the reason so I broach the topic; "Will you sa-moke for me?" Puzzled look. "Blowjob?" (gesturing slightly with my hand toward my mouth). Yes. "If I want blowjob, will you finish me inside your mouth, not outside?" Puzzled look. I point to her mouth and gesture as best I can that I mean cumming inside her mouth, not outside. Yes, with a smile and definite head nod. I pause for a moment to give the idea a serious thought. I think it was at this point she said 3,000 to her for ST. I said, "oh, that is pang pang (expensive)".
Then I went for the gold on what I have long assessed is an interesting difference between the 700-800 baht barfine regular girls at Mandarin go-go bars and the 1,500 baht barfine "special" girls; "I am shy to ask you this, but are you ok to boom-boom with me no condom?" Yes, a smile and head nod. "Ok, if you are ok to boom-boom with me no condom or, if I want, to finish a blowjob for me cum inside mouth, not pull away, I will give you 2,500 baht for ST. 1,500 to the bar and 2,500 baht for you. " Ok. Very big smile and another head nod.
So the deal was concluded, I reached into my pocket for the bar tab (495 baht for my drink and two Lady Drinks for her), she changed into her very cute jump suit street clothes, hair in two darling pigtails, off we went to the motorbike taxi area on Soi 4 at Sukhumvit and, as it has been with every other "special" girl (3-4 others) I have taken from the Mandarin bars in the past couple of years, all was well and delivered as promised in the bar, no hassle, no drama, no unpleasant Jekyll and Hyde transformations or "forgetting" what she agreed to in the bar. Not saying such a thing could never happen. It could. But it hasn't happened that way for me in those Mandarin bars yet. Your Mileage May (and likely will) Vary.
When another mamasan, not the more dignified looking one from before, brought back my change from paying the barfine, she fanned out the 100 baht notes and looked at me pleadingly with the obvious message being one of those hundred bath notes ought to go to her for merely walking the 2,000 baht I gave her to the cash register and back. I smiled, gave her a mock sympathetic hug and took all of those hundred bath notes back from her. No tip to her for merely taking my money. She chuckled and seemed to recover from the disappointment rather quickly.
It was actually a very early and easy night for me. I chose a girl, the first girl I even paid attention to because she happened to be dancing right in front of the random seat I took, in the first bar I entered on a Friday night. 495 baht for drinks, 30 baht tip to the server, 1,500 baht for the barfine, 80 baht for two motorbike taxi rides, 2,500 baht to the little lady for a very, very satisfying job well done in my apartment, and another 40 baht to her before she hopped on a motorbike taxi to return to the bar about 2 hours later, totalling 4645 baht for the 3 hours or so of drinks, go-go girl watching, mild cuddling and kissing, and the ultimate rewarding experience in the room. I'm fine with that. I slept really good last night and feel great this morning.
"Will you sa-moke for me?" Puzzled look. "Blowjob?" (gesturing slightly with my hand toward my mouth. Yes. "If I want blowjob, will you finish me inside your mouth, not outside?" Puzzled look. I point to her mouth and gesture as best I can that I mean cumming inside her mouth, not outside. Yes, with a smile and definite head nod. I pause for a moment to give the idea a serious thought. I think it was at this point she said 3,000 to her for ST. I said, "oh, that is pang pang (expensive)".
Then I went for the gold on what I have long assessed is an interesting difference between the 700-800 baht barfine regular girls at Mandarin go-go bars and the 1,500 baht barfine "special" girls; "I am shy to ask you this, but are you ok to boom-boom with me no condom?" Yes, a smile and head nod. "Ok, if you are ok to boom-boom with me no condom or, if I want, to finish a blowjob for me cum inside mouth, not pull away, I will give you 2,500 baht for ST. 1,500 to the bar and 2,500 baht for you. " Ok. Very big smile and another head nod.
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It was actually a rather early and easy night for me. I chose a girl, the first girl I even paid attention to because she happened to be dancing right in front of the seat I took, in the first bar I entered on a Friday night. 495 baht for drinks, 30 baht tip, 1,500 baht for the barfine, 80 baht for two motorbike taxi rides, 2,500 baht to the little lady for a very, very satisfying job well done in my apartment, and another 40 baht to her before she hopped on a motorbike taxi to return to the bar about 2 hours later, totally 4645 baht for the 3 hours or so of drinks, go-go girl watching and and mild cuddling and ultimate rewarding experience in the room. I'm good with that. I slept really good last night.Super report EihTooms, sounds like a lovely evening. So in the end, you paid just shy of 5000 baht for BBBJ, CIM, uncovered sex, cuddling, no drama. Well worth it, IMHO. One question: this was the Mandarin at the top of the escalator to the right (blueish color scheme)? Not the one where you walk up the stairs (redish color scheme), right? I've avoided that one for quite some time because of their strong drinks hustle, though the upstairs one hustles a lot too. Good to hear that you did not get the rough treatment from the mama san or her minions.
Super report EihTooms, sounds like a lovely evening. So in the end, you paid just shy of 5000 baht for BBBJ, CIM, uncovered sex, cuddling, no drama. Well worth it, IMHO. One question: this was the Mandarin at the top of the escalator to the right (blueish color scheme)? Not the one where you walk up the stairs (redish color scheme), right? I've avoided that one for quite some time because of their strong drinks hustle, though the upstairs one hustles a lot too. Good to hear that you did not get the rough treatment from the mama san or her minions.Well, I am only a one pop guy for ST these days. So I didn't experience her full BBBJ+CIM skills and so I don't really know what would have happened at crunch time in that regard. It was agreed that if I wanted to finish that way, it would be done, but who knows. However, her BBBJ as mere foreplay skills were quite nice and effective. I would probably go for the BBBJ+CIM option next time with her. Otherwise, you are correct in your description.
This was the first Mandarin go-go bar you find at the top of the escalator, not the one you have to take another flight of stairs to get to, although I have more often taken "special" girls from that upstairs one, too.
Member #4698
11-19-16, 04:40
This was the first Mandarin go-go bar you find at the top of the escalator, not the one you have to take another flight of stairs to get to, although I have more often taken "special" girls from that upstairs one, too.Interesting. I have never been to the one adjacent to the escalator landing. I always go to the one up the extra flight of stairs. I will have to check out the 2nd FL place. Thanks ET.
Interesting. I have never been to the one adjacent to the escalator landing. I always go to the one up the extra flight of stairs. I will have to check out the 2nd FL place. Thanks ET.Yes, good luck with it, Natty and everyone else. As long as the bars are going to do it, and some always will, I for one would like to see the concept of higher barfine prices for Coyotes, "Special" girls or whatever actually MEAN something in terms of higher quality of service, lower hassle and doubt, Special treatment for the customer and so on rather than just some third party's idea of which ones are cuter or prettier. Hell, they are all young and mostly within a year or two of one another. Therefore, I am into spreading the word about where that principle seems to be taking place.
I can only say "seems" because I have no idea if these Special girls are up for the treatment I have gotten with the next guy or the next one after that. A friend of mine took one of the Special girls from the extra upstairs Mandarin bar a few months ago, one I had never met, and he later said she was adamant about coverage back in the hotel room and pretty much a dud in other respects. I asked him if he had cleared the subject with her in the bar beforehand and he said no. Maybe that is the key.
Of course, clearing such a thing beforehand would probably help in all cases. But I have found that broaching the subject with the Special girls in Mandarin, in the way that I cited in the report post, is not met with the kind of feigned big deal recoiling in horror that one might find or fear one might find with other girls. My impression is they appreciate that the customer is being asked to pay more and that it is reasonable for him to ask for more, whatever that might be, whether a particular girl is up for it or not. That is a refreshing new approach to the two tiered barfine rate concept, wouldn't you say? I applaud it and am happy to spread the word about it.
Of course, she can always say no in the bar and some will, to me as well. No problem. Next!
Also, I hope everyone understands that, due to the nature of what I consider worthy of recommendation or mention in these matters, I will not be sharing specific names, badge numbers and identities of the girls in question on the internet. The topic is just too fraught with controversy and potential harrassment. But I can at least narrow down certain pools of likely participants if or when I encounter them.
Bangkok Trip Report – Day 1.
Just completed an 11 night stay in Pattaya for my 4th trip to LOS over the last 19 months. Visited with many girls and ladies there and had some great times, with some frustrations. I am now in Bangkok for two nights in Bangkok before seeing my Thai GF who will be arriving at BKK Sunday. We will go to Phuket before returning the Bangkok, then I will return home a few days later.
I have never mongered in Bangkok, with my only experiences in Phuket and Pattaya. So far, Pattaya is my favorite, due to the sheer number and availability of hot Asian women, but I feel I need to give Bangkok, particularly the Sukhumvit area, a chance.
I am staying at the Key hotel, off of Soi 19, practically next door to Terminal 21. It is a bit of a hole in the wall hotel that my taxi driver and I totally missed, but keep your eyes open and you will see the sign and the entrance. It is actually a pretty nice hotel. I booked a normal room but was upgraded to an executive room, and it is quite nice. Big king sized comfortable bed with nice pillows. It has a microwave over for cooking and separate sink for dishes, with a small breakfast table. There are few kitchen utensils as well. The bathroom, however, is too narrow. It has a small sink with no vanity, though there is a ledge to put toiletries on. The AC is remotely controlled and there is an LED TV and writing desk. The window view is worthless. The windows are behind outside signage. They let in some light, but you can't see anything.
Anyway, upon arriving I checked in then walked down all the way to the Nana district to get the lay. I walked by the Nana hotel but saw no signs of the venue itself. But upon exiting, I walked by a small alley that was blocked off my a couple of trucks and then I notice a bunch of shops or whatever down that street and realized that was the place. Wow, nothing like Walking Street. I headed back east and stopped by a massage place with a really cute girl outside for a legit foot massage. She was cute and gave a nice massage. I then left and continued heading east, then walked up the sky train overpass and was able to see how to get to Soi Cowboy, which was also basically a hole in the wall. From my hotel, you simply could walk across the street. It was a busy street but had walking lights. Or you go up to the sky train (MTS) and walk over the via the overpass. Either way.
I had dinner at Terminal 21. Lot of hot women there! I then later headed over to Soi Cowboy. Wow. My first impression was that of disappoint. This was one of the most infamous red light districts? This hole in the wall? It was a fraction of Walking Street in Pattaya! The passageway was narrow. I poked my head into a couple of agogos and was not impressed, but it was still early. I walked all the way down and all the way back in just a few minutes. I turned to head back down and was impressed with a band playing on the south side very near the entrance. I went inside, figuring I would relax there for a bit, then continue my journey. Inside, though, a pretty girl comes to me and I let her sit with me. Not a great beauty, but she was funny, slender, great legs, very pretty and had that girl next door look. Sorry, never understood her name. She was affectionate in a nice way, and before too long I bar fined her for the night for 700. No discussion about her fee, but I was not even sure if I wanted sex (just leads to frustration for me, as my Pattaya reports discuss), but to have a cute girl to walk with and maybe even just spend the night with would be fine. We stayed in the bar listening to the music for an hour or so, then we left. But then I got hammered for tips. Heck, a working girl at another table wanted me to tip her. I said no. Later, a dude at the table she was standing by leans over to me, saying they are wondering why I don't tip her, then exclaims "why don't you just tip her, man?" I just stared at him for a few seconds, like why would I tip a girl who isn't doing anything for me? Then after I paid the BF, she wanted me to tip the woman who arranged it, who I thought was the manasan. I sighed as I paid. But as we exited the door, she pointed to another woman I had never seen and told me to tip her, as she was the manasan. I grumbled about why am I tipping these people?? I at least refused to tip one!
She led me to the far end of the street, turned right, went down a bit and enterd a door. Inside was a strip club full of naked women. She led me upstairs, and there were naked women giving lap dances with guys fondling all over them. We sat down and got drinks, but she was looking disgusted. After 5 minutes she grabs me and rushes out of there. Her English is turning out to be horrible, but from what I can decipher, a friend of hers works there and wanted her to work there. She was curious and wanted to go see the place, and she was repulsed by it. She said she was shy and could never do stuff like that. She realized she had to make a living, and sleeping with men was acceptable, but she didn't even want to dance up on a gogo stage dressed, let along dance naked and have men grope her like that, even though the money is apparently very good.
We leave the place then she finds some friends outside and talks to them for a bit. I am starting to get a little upset, and close to walking away. But she is cute and returns to me and asks where my hotel is. It is a just a short walk and we end up there. She has forgotten to bring her ID but the hotel says it is ok. In my room, she sits down and gets on her phone. Fine, I will catch up on emails. I work for a while then when she seems to be off the phone and just lying there on the couch, I say I need a shower, but she says she is fine. I come out of the shower and she seems to be asleep. OK, I don't really need sex, so I will let her be and I will go to bed, as I am very sleep deprived. I climb into bed and turn off the lights. She awakes a little while later and comes to the bed, but she has restless energy, tossing and turning a few times, banging her head on mine a few times from her wild gyrations. And she gets phone calls. I guess it was her sister's birthday, and she even had me wish happy birthday. She hangs up and I tell her I am really tired but I understand it is probably early for her so she can leave or whatever. She then decides she needs to leave, but says she will come back. She gets my phone number and heads out. But I decide I don't really want to see her anymore. She totally changed after we left the club, from a nice girl to a crazy girl. I had not paid her a single baht yet, and figured she would not be worth spending a baht on now. A few hours later she calls and I ignore it. She calls 2 more times then I turn off the phone. It was after 2 am so I am sure she could go back and possibly get another man, but she turned out to be too freaky for me. I figure she would come back and we would have sex, but I doubt it woud all that good, and why spend the money if I know it won't be good. I have been having plenty of sex in Pattaya that has been good, rattled with frustrations as I can only come into a condom every few days. I am due, but did I want to waste one with a crazy women? But really, she was really nice in the club. I know that these girls will do that to get you hooked, then may change attitudes after the deal is done. Maybe I am exaggerating things. I was obviously tired and she was wide awake, so it was not totally unreasonable for her to go do a few things then come back later when she was starting to tired, wake me up for a quickie, then finally go to sleep touching each other. In fact, in bed in between her wild gyrations, she was being quite loving. I don't know. Part of my decision was that I learned she was a mommie and I could tell she had flat, probably floppy breasts, which were probably ugly. I don't know, but I don't regret too much ignoring her calls. I don't think she was trying to take advantage me, and she probably has a good story that I stiffed her and didn't pay her anything for her time. All I could say to that is she left me, I didn't leave her.
Anyway, as I write this it is late afternoon and I think I will visit Nana tonight. I have been advised that the Rainbow 4 is the only place there worth visiting. He said Baccara was the only place on Cowboy. I passed it by but didn't visit.
So, not a great first night at Soi Cowboy, but not exactly bad either. I will try to get out my 2nd and final report out tomorrow. If I don't it may be a while. Heck, think I still owe a final days trip Pattaya report from last May.
Member #4591
11-19-16, 11:57
Not farang friendly now.
After the passing of the King and the raid previously, Sephan Kwai is mostly back to normal. However last Thursday night I experienced awful racism in all the bars accept The Best which is now RCA but with no sign. The girls in all the places were rude and wouldn't even look at me. I was dressed in a suit with decent Thai skills and had money to spend.
Finally I found a good girl in one of the bars but she excused herself to go to the restroom and a minute later, was sitting with some Thai guy giving him a lap dance. When she returned I told her to take a hike.
I was able to salvage the night when the moma there phones a previous lady I had taken from Harlim and I went off to meet her and had a great session. Be warned guys that this area is now not farang friendly for the time being, hopefully it will change back in the near future.
I'm getting completely bored with the go go and bar scene these days. I'm sticking to the ladies in my address book mad making P4 P dates with ladies from the Internet and chat apps. Even the massage places are getting old. My 10 K date nights have been fabulous with some real stunners and performers.
Banana Boi
11-19-16, 12:05
FL, at least walk in and out of Thermae while you are there. Best time between 8 pm til 12 am. Have fun at R4. My girls are #37 and #88. Both pretty faces for me, tall, with a touch of curves. It's a decent place and more or less the only BKK gogo that can challenge some of the top Pattaya gogo clubs.
Member #4591
11-19-16, 12:13
Bangkok Trip Report Day 1.
Just completed an 11 night stay in Pattaya for my 4th trip to LOS over the last 19 months. Visited with many girls and ladies there and had some great times, with some frustrations. I am now in Bangkok for two nights in Bangkok before seeing my Thai GF who will be arriving at BKK Sunday. We will go to Phuket before returning the Bangkok, then I will return home a few days later.
I have never mongered in Bangkok, with my only experiences in Phuket and Pattaya. So far, Pattaya is my favorite, due to the sheer number and availability of hot Asian women, but I feel I need to give Bangkok, particularly the Sukhumvit area, a chance.
I am staying at the Key hotel, off of Soi 19, practically next door to Terminal 21. It is a bit of a hole in the wall hotel that my taxi driver and I totally missed, but keep your eyes open and you will see the sign and the entrance. It is actually a pretty nice hotel. I booked a normal room but was upgraded to an executive room, and it is quite nice. Big king sized comfortable bed with nice pillows. It has a microwave over for cooking and separate sink for dishes, with a small breakfast table. There are few kitchen utensils as well. The bathroom, however, is too narrow. It has a small sink with no vanity, though there is a ledge to put toiletries on. The AC is remotely controlled and there is an LED TV and writing desk. The window view is worthless. The windows are behind outside signage. They let in some light, but you can't see anything.
Anyway, upon arriving I checked in then walked down all the way to the Nana district to get the lay. I walked by the Nana hotel but saw no signs of the venue itself. But upon exiting, I walked by a small alley that was blocked off my a couple of trucks and then I notice a bunch of shops or whatever down that street and realized that was the place. Wow, nothing like Walking Street. I headed back east and stopped by a massage place with a really cute girl outside for a legit foot massage. She was cute and gave a nice massage. I then left and continued heading east, then walked up the sky train overpass and was able to see how to get to Soi Cowboy, which was also basically a hole in the wall. From my hotel, you simply could walk across the street. It was a busy street but had walking lights. Or you go up to the sky train (MTS) and walk over the via the overpass. Either way.
I had dinner at Terminal 21. Lot of hot women there! I then later headed over to Soi Cowboy. Wow. My first impression was that of disappoint. This was one of the most infamous red light districts? This hole in the wall? It was a fraction of Walking Street in Pattaya! The passageway was narrow. I poked my head into a couple of agogos and was not impressed, but it was still early. I walked all the way down and all the way back in just a few minutes. I turned to head back down and was impressed with a band playing on the south side very near the entrance. I went inside, figuring I would relax there for a bit, then continue my journey. Inside, though, a pretty girl comes to me and I let her sit with me. Not a great beauty, but she was funny, slender, great legs, very pretty and had that girl next door look. Sorry, never understood her name. She was affectionate in a nice way, and before too long I bar fined her for the night for 700. No discussion about her fee, but I was not even sure if I wanted sex (just leads to frustration for me, as my Pattaya reports discuss), but to have a cute girl to walk with and maybe even just spend the night with would be fine. We stayed in the bar listening to the music for an hour or so, then we left. But then I got hammered for tips. Heck, a working girl at another table wanted me to tip her. I said no. Later, a dude at the table she was standing by leans over to me, saying they are wondering why I don't tip her, then exclaims "why don't you just tip her, man?" I just stared at him for a few seconds, like why would I tip a girl who isn't doing anything for me? Then after I paid the BF, she wanted me to tip the woman who arranged it, who I thought was the manasan. I sighed as I paid. But as we exited the door, she pointed to another woman I had never seen and told me to tip her, as she was the manasan. I grumbled about why am I tipping these people?? I at least refused to tip one!
She led me to the far end of the street, turned right, went down a bit and enterd a door. Inside was a strip club full of naked women. She led me upstairs, and there were naked women giving lap dances with guys fondling all over them. We sat down and got drinks, but she was looking disgusted. After 5 minutes she grabs me and rushes out of there. Her English is turning out to be horrible, but from what I can decipher, a friend of hers works there and wanted her to work there. She was curious and wanted to go see the place, and she was repulsed by it. She said she was shy and could never do stuff like that. She realized she had to make a living, and sleeping with men was acceptable, but she didn't even want to dance up on a gogo stage dressed, let along dance naked and have men grope her like that, even though the money is apparently very good.
We leave the place then she finds some friends outside and talks to them for a bit. I am starting to get a little upset, and close to walking away. But she is cute and returns to me and asks where my hotel is. It is a just a short walk and we end up there. She has forgotten to bring her ID but the hotel says it is ok. In my room, she sits down and gets on her phone. Fine, I will catch up on emails. I work for a while then when she seems to be off the phone and just lying there on the couch, I say I need a shower, but she says she is fine. I come out of the shower and she seems to be asleep. OK, I don't really need sex, so I will let her be and I will go to bed, as I am very sleep deprived. I climb into bed and turn off the lights. She awakes a little while later and comes to the bed, but she has restless energy, tossing and turning a few times, banging her head on mine a few times from her wild gyrations. And she gets phone calls. I guess it was her sister's birthday, and she even had me wish happy birthday. She hangs up and I tell her I am really tired but I understand it is probably early for her so she can leave or whatever. She then decides she needs to leave, but says she will come back. She gets my phone number and heads out. But I decide I don't really want to see her anymore. She totally changed after we left the club, from a nice girl to a crazy girl. I had not paid her a single baht yet, and figured she would not be worth spending a baht on now. A few hours later she calls and I ignore it. She calls 2 more times then I turn off the phone. It was after 2 am so I am sure she could go back and possibly get another man, but she turned out to be too freaky for me. I figure she would come back and we would have sex, but I doubt it woud all that good, and why spend the money if I know it won't be good. I have been having plenty of sex in Pattaya that has been good, rattled with frustrations as I can only come into a condom every few days. I am due, but did I want to waste one with a crazy women? But really, she was really nice in the club. I know that these girls will do that to get you hooked, then may change attitudes after the deal is done. Maybe I am exaggerating things. I was obviously tired and she was wide awake, so it was not totally unreasonable for her to go do a few things then come back later when she was starting to tired, wake me up for a quickie, then finally go to sleep touching each other. In fact, in bed in between her wild gyrations, she was being quite loving. I don't know. Part of my decision was that I learned she was a mommie and I could tell she had flat, probably floppy breasts, which were probably ugly. I don't know, but I don't regret too much ignoring her calls. I don't think she was trying to take advantage me, and she probably has a good story that I stiffed her and didn't pay her anything for her time. All I could say to that is she left me, I didn't leave her.
Anyway, as I write this it is late afternoon and I think I will visit Nana tonight. I have been advised that the Rainbow 4 is the only place there worth visiting. He said Baccara was the only place on Cowboy. I passed it by but didn't visit.
So, not a great first night at Soi Cowboy, but not exactly bad either. I will try to get out my 2nd and final report out tomorrow. If I don't it may be a while. Heck, think I still owe a final days trip Pattaya report from last May.Dude, I'm guessing you are an older guy so I will try and give you some advice. Head into Suzy Wong and CW at Soi Cowboy. In Nana, head into Billboard on the top floor or Angel Witch on the second floor. Bangkok has some amazing oily massage places, Snow White on Soi 26, a bunch on Soi 24/1 and some decent ones down Soi 24 and then take a quick left onto a side Soi. A trip up Ratchada will reveal some great soapies and Climax on Soi 11 is a great place for young and old to get freelancers.
Bangkok has a lot to offer but you can't compare it to Pattaya where every street is full of beer bars, massage shops, and of course there is walking street. In Bangkok, the red light areas are spread out into small sections. Even give the Soi 4 beer bars a try, many cuties in there. Of course there are other places and clubs like Mixx, Insanity, and the famous Thermae. Read the Bangkok forum more and you will see. I would like to however apologize in advance for some of the clutter from posters talking about absolutely nothing and their bickering.
Regards,
Dog.
Bangkok has a lot to offer but you can't compare it to Pattaya where every street is full of beer bars, massage shops, and of course there is walking street. In Bangkok, the red light areas are spread out into small sections. Even give the Soi 4 beer bars a try, many cuties in there. Of course there are other places and clubs like Mixx, Insanity, and the famous Thermae. Dog what are your thoughts about Patpong? I visited there during my trip to Thailand and had to ditch an annoying tout, but there were a lot of bars in that part of town.
Gannaton48
11-19-16, 17:42
Dude, I'm guessing you are an older guy so I will try and give you some advice. Head into Suzy Wong and CW at Soi Cowboy. In Nana, head into Billboard on the top floor or Angel Witch on the second floor. Bangkok has some amazing oily massage places, Snow White on Soi 26, a bunch on Soi 24/1 and some decent ones down Soi 24 and then take a quick left onto a side Soi. A trip up Ratchada will reveal some great soapies and Climax on Soi 11 is a great place for young and old to get freelancers.
Bangkok has a lot to offer but you can't compare it to Pattaya where every street is full of beer bars, massage shops, and of course there is walking street. In Bangkok, the red light areas are spread out into small sections. Even give the Soi 4 beer bars a try, many cuties in there. Of course there are other places and clubs like Mixx, Insanity, and the famous Thermae. Read the Bangkok forum more and you will see. I would like to however apologize in advance for some of the clutter from posters talking about absolutely nothing and their bickering.
Regards,
Dog.BKKDog, let me come back to your sentence "Climax on Soi 11 is a great place for young and old to get freelancers. ". I will be in town next week but during my previous visits I did'nt go to Climax, although I had dinenr very clsoe at Oskar (very few girls). The reason was that from reading and watchign videos abotu Climax I alwasy got the feeling that only this place is only really for young or middle-aged men. I am 68, although looking bit younger let's say 60), neither I am Apollon! Now who can tell me if guys of my age will be welcome (I mean, not ridiculous! For picking up a FL here?
Bangkok Trip Report Day 1.
Just completed an 11 night stay in Pattaya for my 4th trip to LOS over the last 19 months. Visited with many girls and ladies there and had some great times, with some frustrations. I am now in Bangkok for two nights in Bangkok before seeing my Thai GF who will be arriving at BKK Sunday. We will go to Phuket before returning the Bangkok, then I will return home a few days later.
I have never mongered in Bangkok, with my only experiences in Phuket and Pattaya. So far, Pattaya is my favorite, due to the sheer number and availability of hot Asian women, but I feel I need to give Bangkok, particularly the Sukhumvit area, a chance.
I am staying at the Key hotel, off of Soi 19, practically next door to Terminal 21. It is a bit of a hole in the wall hotel that my taxi driver and I totally missed, but keep your eyes open and you will see the sign and the entrance. It is actually a pretty nice hotel. I booked a normal room but was upgraded to an executive room, and it is quite nice. Big king sized comfortable bed with nice pillows. It has a microwave over for cooking and separate sink for dishes, with a small breakfast table. There are few kitchen utensils as well. The bathroom, however, is too narrow. It has a small sink with no vanity, though there is a ledge to put toiletries on. The AC is remotely controlled and there is an LED TV and writing desk..FL Hawk,
Thailand is a place in the world were people do not tip here. It is the culture here. If they sense you are a newbie they look at all of us as walking ATM machines. They will just hound you for tips even if they were just on the same street as you. I always politely say so. Sometimes an independent in Pattaya mostly will ask for a tip after the short time and I will always say the 1000 baut or whatever was agreed apron was the tip they always smile and leave. Never any heard feelings and actually they respect you more for not being a sucker. Even with lunch and dinner you are not required to tip. As we are global citizens the media tells us. They have to accept us in their culture of not tipping the same as if the Thai went to a country that requires tips they would be required to tip. It is only fair.
Robert Long
11-19-16, 21:19
BKKDog, let me come back to your sentence "Climax on Soi 11 is a great place for young and old to get freelancers. ". I will be in town next week but during my previous visits I did'nt go to Climax, although I had dinenr very clsoe at Oskar (very few girls). The reason was that from reading and watchign videos abotu Climax I alwasy got the feeling that only this place is only really for young or middle-aged men. I am 68, although looking bit younger let's say 60), neither I am Apollon! Now who can tell me if guys of my age will be welcome (I mean, not ridiculous! For picking up a FL here?I am 70 going on 55. Live in Hawaii so I am in great shape surfing and windsurfing for over 20 years. I have stayed in the Ambassador many times because of location. The ladies don't care about your age. The younger ones might resist but most never do. If you look really old, with a beer belly and your bent over and have a lot of hair growing out of your ears, you can still get laid. Like they say "Money talks, bullshit walks". Go for it and don't look back.
RL.
Trip Report – Day 2 (Final).
Got ready to head to Nana at about 8 PM but it was pouring rain. I checked the radar and felt it wouldn't last must longer, and sure enough it soon stopped. I walked all the way down and the plaza was more favorably impressed than with Cowboy. I walked around all the levels while also searching for Rainbow 4, which I had been told was the current best. I see Rainbow 1, Rainbow 2, Rainbow 3 and Rainbow 5, but no Rainbow 4. Strange. I notice a lot of ladyboys. I peek inside a few clubs and some are full and others have lots of room. I figure I need to go inside one and check things out. I pop into Strip. Well, I quickly realize I made a mistake. This is a ladyboy bar! OMG. I laugh at myself, marvel at over a dozen of these people staring and smiling at me in a nearly empty bar, before getting the heck out. Wow. I ran to a nearby bar that I knew had real girls, and I believe it was Rainbow 2. I didn't see a great line up, but I needed to be surrounded by real women!
I ran in and took a seat on the other side, where the girls were better looking. A short while later a new girls takes the state, #40, and she is beautiful. She has a woman's body. Not a spinner, but slender with some curves and breasts. Really hot – possibly model material. I want this one. After watching her for a while I request she come over. English not so good, but she is hot and she is being affectionate. Her name is Ann. The BF there is 700, but they say she will cost 3000. Yikes. I hesitant and think for many minutes. I ask how long. They say I can take her upstairs, or to hotel. I am thinking LT, and say hotel and how long. The mamasan says 4 hours. I ask about overnight but they either didn't understand or simply didn't answer. I think I really need to leave and check some more bars, but I doubt I will find anyone hotter and this is my last mongering day in Thailand and I want sleep, so I go ahead and agree. 3000 for 4 hours with a sexy hottie.
It had started to lightly rain and we walk out to the main road, crossed the street and hailed a taxi. We tell the driver the hotel is on Soi 19, and I add that it is near Terminal 21. He misunderstands and thinks I want to be dropped off there, and before I realize the mistake we are at the terminal. Charge is about 40 baht, not bad. The rain is just a light sprinkle so we walk the rest of the way to the hotel. I comment that the rain is romantic and she laughs. Inside, I take shower then she takes a shower. She has been playful and the resumes some of that in bed. But she soon starts to go down on me and I say no, go slow. Yes, we have 4 hours and I don't want to rush. I give this beautiful woman a massage, then we hold each other and start some nice DFK. It is nice and I am believing there is no way I won't be able to release with this girl (followers on the Pattaya forum know about my severe problem being able to come with a condom). I am getting rock hard. She calls for a condom but I say I want her to smoke me, and she does and is pretty good. She takes me deep and it is excellent. Then I allow the condom and she climbs on in Cowboy and is very tight. We change positions and it is all wonderful but my problem surfaces again. I can't believe it. I am dripping with sweat again trying to get over the edge. But I can't and I collapse next to her, saying I need to rest a little She wants to take a shower but I say I am not finished, but I lose half the erection. Dern, should have take that Viagra! I try to enter her with a new condom but it just isn't working. She had rolled over when I went to the bathroom and when I tried to get things started again she said she was tired. Well, I was horny and wanted to come and we still have several hours for her to nap! But I am defeated and feel we need some time to recharge, so I let her take a shower to clean up.
But when she comes out she is dressed and says she is leaving. What?! I said no, we still have at least 2 more hours. She acts like she doesn't understand. I say, fine, but I will only give your 2000 as I am only getting half my time. She doesn't object so I get up and go over by the door to give her the money. I do, she looks at it, and say she needs 3000. I say if you want 3000 then stay the 4 hours. Well, ok, you know how it goes when trying to renegotiate with a Thai who knows little English. She just wanted her 3000, and perhaps she felt the time was ST for 2 hours. I repeated the mamasan said 4 hours. No budging on her part. Argh. I started to get dressed, saying we could go back and talk to the mamasan, but then I realized what would happen if I did that? I would then be surrounded by Thai bar girls thinking I was cheating HER, so I just threw the remaining 1000 at her, then went to the door and opened it up in a symbolic kicking her out. Frustration. I am good natured and never get angry, but I was a tad upset here!
Then I looked at my phone and the girl from yesterday had tried to call me. Well, I only have enough money now to get to the airport tomorrow and eat, so I didn't think long at all about not calling the girl back. I did have plenty of time left that I could have visited an exchange machine, but I figured that the signs were all pointing to me to keep things buttoned up down there in preparation for my Thai GF arrived just 10 hours later. Yes. Maybe the Gods know I will be able to finally take her virginity and that I need to save all my juice for her. Haha Yeah, three trips to LOS before to see her and no reason to believe her Kevlar hymen has loosened up any since the last time.
So, not a successful time in Bangkok at all. I do think the first girl would have been fine had she stayed. I might be raving about probably Ann had I come with her. Well, no, I would still have expected her to say and have a nap. I don't know.
So I will pack up, head to BKK, and meet my Thai GF and hopefully, with the next 10 days with her, finally take care of her virginity problem. No more condom frustrations! I really have no regrets leaving Pattaya early for two nights here. But Pattaya has so much more. No one, really, should give up nights in Pattaya for nights in BKK. I never will again.
P.S. I have since received some advice about what I perhaps should be doing, but I saw none of it before I went out. I did want to see the main venues, and I have done that now, so if I even get stuck up here and can't get down to Pattaya, I will take that advice. Thanks for all the suggestions!
It may be at least 1-1/2 weeks before I am back on here, so if you have any questions or comments, be patient. Take care guys.
FL Hawk,
Thailand is a place in the world were people do not tip here. It is the culture here. If they sense you are a newbie they look at all of us as walking ATM machines. They will just hound you for tips even if they were just on the same street as you. I always politely say so. Sometimes an independent in Pattaya mostly will ask for a tip after the short time and I will always say the 1000 baut or whatever was agreed apron was the tip they always smile and leave. Never any heard feelings and actually they respect you more for not being a sucker. Even with lunch and dinner you are not required to tip. As we are global citizens the media tells us. They have to accept us in their culture of not tipping the same as if the Thai went to a country that requires tips they would be required to tip. It is only fair.Yes, in Pattaya now I rarely tip the girls, only if they gave really good service. For standard service I don't tip. But I AM a newbie in Bangkok and while I did say no to the one girl, I broke down for the other two who, also, really did nothing. Oh, the mamasan for Ann did ask for a tip as well, but I laughed her off! But good advice to remind us that we do not need to tip them. My Thai GF has also taught me to not tip or, if I do, just a little.
Trip Report Day 2 (Final)...
So, not a successful time in Bangkok at all. I do think the first girl would have been fine had she stayed. I might be raving about probably Ann had I come with her. Well, no, I would still have expected her to say and have a nap. I don't know.
So I will pack up, head to BKK, and meet my Thai GF and hopefully, with the next 10 days with her, finally take care of her virginity problem. No more condom frustrations! I really have no regrets leaving Pattaya early for two nights here. But Pattaya has so much more. No one, really, should give up nights in Pattaya for nights in BKK. I never will again.
P.S. I have since received some advice about what I perhaps should be doing, but I saw none of it before I went out. I did want to see the main venues, and I have done that now, so if I even get stuck up here and can't get down to Pattaya, I will take that advice. Thanks for all the suggestions!
It may be at least 1-1/2 weeks before I am back on here, so if you have any questions or comments, be patient. Take care guys.FL Hawk, Bangkok has more beautiful women who are much more skilled at bringing men to orgasm inside their pussies and mouths than Pattaya. IMO, you should have left Pattaya much earlier and spent more time in Bangkok if more successfully coming to climax inside beautiful women was your goal. Even though these things can naturally be a matter of opinion, the obvious greater income incentive for better looking and better skilled girls plying their trade where there is more money and opportunities available pretty much trumps mere "opinion", wouldn't you say? It just stands to reason better looking and better skilled girls would be more inclined to travel that extra 90 minutes up the coast to make a ton more money, no?
But I can't miss the more than obvious signs that your posts (which I really enjoyed reading, BTW) about one failure after another while wearing those dern condoms is a "cry for help" in terms of someone, somewhere giving you permission to STOP wearing those dern things! Therefore, I will gladly shoulder the responsibility of giving you full permission NOT to wear one ever again with any woman, P4 P or not, for the rest of your long and far more pleasurable life!
HOWEVER, I only give you that permission if you are willing to take a few simple steps to make sure you and your partners will be safer from unwanted pregnancy and life-altering disease than 99.99% of the guys and gals out there who claim to "always use condoms".
1. Get yourself circumcised, so there is less opportunity for creepy-crawlies to grow in the moist area under your foreskin.
2. Get yourself a vasectomy so it will be virtually impossible to father unwanted children. Condoms sometimes break and / or slip off. Vasectomies do not.
3. Always have in your possession a current, less than 3 months, clear and clean bill of health blood check document negative and / or non-reactive for HIV, syphilis and any other STIs you are concerned about. Yes, that doesn't mean you didn't suddenly acquire something in that relatively tiny window between infection and testing, but then we're talking about the likelihood of scoring a hole in one teeing off from the top of the Empire State building and to a cup dangling from the tip of the Chrysler Building. Don't lose sleep over the possibility of it. Again, condoms sometimes break and slip off. Clean blood test documents do not.
4. When you are finished cumming with glorious pleasure inside an actual vagina, don't lay there stewing in your and her juices for more than a few minutes before heading to the shower, washing off and peeing to flush out whatever.
Once you have resolved to incorporate those precautions into your barebacking life, then you can approach and chat up women all over the typical P4 P destination world, Pattaya and Bangkok included, armed with the confidence that YOU are safer for condom-free sex than 99.99% of the men who are planning to wear a condom tonight but have done nothing to rack up the actually much more reliable precautions against acquiring or spreading disease and fathering unwanted children that I have outlined above. Armed with that confidence (and documented proof if asked for it), it will be even easier for you to find beautiful women all over the place willing to have sex with you without a condom, which is already pretty easy to do around here as long as you are willing to ASK for it beforehand often enough.
Otherwise, I suspect you just might give yourself a fatal heart attack trying to cum inside a condom and the girl a heart attack when she realizes a dead man is laying on top of her with his dead dick in her pussy albeit fully encased in a tube of dern plastic.
Franciscass
11-20-16, 07:35
Trip Report Day 2 (Final).
So I will pack up, head to BKK, and meet my Thai GF and hopefully, with the next 10 days with her, finally take care of her virginity problem. No more condom frustrations! I really have no regrets leaving Pattaya early for two nights here. But Pattaya has so much more. No one, really, should give up nights in Pattaya for nights in BKK. I never will again.
P.S. I have since received some advice about what I perhaps should be doing, but I saw none of it before I went out. I did want to see the main venues, and I have done that now, so if I even get stuck up here and can't get down to Pattaya, I will take that advice. Thanks for all the suggestions!
It may be at least 1-1/2 weeks before I am back on here, so if you have any questions or comments, be patient. Take care guys.If you sought a blueprint for an enjoyable P4P trip to Thailand one need look no further than reading FLHawk's posts. Full of incidental amusing details they show how to enjoy the moment no matter the outcome. His glass always half full, his respect for the ladies and his never say die attitude endlessly expecting the next encounter to be the one that rocks his boat is so refreshing. I don't envy his quest for the illusive orgasm but I sure envy his spirit and his energy. Will be interesting to see how the reunion with his girlfriend goes.
FL Hawk,
The mamasan saying 4 hours is completely useless. Just conning you. If you were experienced you would know you will never get a 4 hour ST unless the girl just happens to be crazy about you.
Some Girls from RB4 try to get away with 30 min quickie STs in the past.
The best you can hope for is 2 hours. Many girls will try to leave after 1 pop.
I never use mamasans to negotiate, it just doesn't help me. Unfortunately masasans are supposed to help the communication but won't give you a good deal. I am firtunate to be able to speak Thai and completely bypass mamasans.
Anyway the girl would not know necessarily what bullshit the mamasan told you.
Asian Rain
11-20-16, 09:48
It was actually a very early and easy night for me. I chose a girl, the first girl I even paid attention to because she happened to be dancing right in front of the random seat I took, in the first bar I entered on a Friday night. 495 baht for drinks, 30 baht tip to the server, 1,500 baht for the barfine, 80 baht for two motorbike taxi rides, 2,500 baht to the little lady for a very, very satisfying job well done in my apartment, and another 40 baht to her before she hopped on a motorbike taxi to return to the bar about 2 hours later, totalling 4645 baht for the 3 hours or so of drinks, go-go girl watching, mild cuddling and kissing, and the ultimate rewarding experience in the room. I'm fine with that. I slept really good last night and feel great this morning.Thanks for sharing the report. I have similar all-is-well post-coital feelings these days when a girl actually delivers on promises. Getting a girl that delivers an "80% of what I desire experience" is more than half the battle here. On the other hand, it is a stark reality of the BKK scene that 4000 b (bar fine plus girl fee) to bareback a 21 yo Isaan MILF is happening. Nothing to criticize about what was paid (no price police) or what was received (I like it raw too), but something just seems incongruous. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.
WTF is wrong with you guys! Why are you willing to BB these girls? HIV is a huge problem in SEA. Cover your buddy, always!
If you are 100, I guess you've got nothing to lose, but if you are under 90, wrap it up!
Look, we all need to be safe when we monger. It's the same thing as agreeing on a given price. If we work together, it makes the entire scene better. Running without rubber is a quick way to spread stuff that none of us wants. Don't do it!
Hotman 666
11-20-16, 13:16
I am 70 going on 55. Live in Hawaii so I am in great shape surfing and windsurfing for over 20 years. I have stayed in the Ambassador many times because of location. The ladies don't care about your age. The younger ones might resist but most never do. If you look really old, with a beer belly and your bent over and have a lot of hair growing out of your ears, you can still get laid. Like they say "Money talks, bullshit walks". Go for it and don't look back.
RL.I am much nearer 70 than 60 and must admit to being a few kg over weight. I have been coming here now for over 25 years.
In my opinion age is no bar to spending some quality time with a MUCH younger Thai girl. The Thai's seem to rather like the older guys laid back approach rather than the wham bam thank you ma'am of the young studs (or perhaps they know that us old guys mean less wear on the money maker!
I also used to believe that the "no money, no honey" rule applied but now I seem to be able to attract 20/30 year old civilians who seem happy to spend some time with me eating, drinking and screwing without even the mention of "how much you pay me?
OK, there is no such thing as a complete freebee as in addition to the food and drinks I always slip some money in the purse before they leave but I really do believe that in Thailand, getting old is nothing to worry about.
Enjoy, I do.
Hotman.
Juniorboysan
11-20-16, 13:19
Was in BKK this weekend and what I noticed since my last visit 4 months ago is that the bar fines are getting out of hand.
In Nana some places now charge 700 baht but we where quoted 1,100 bar fine at Rainbow the one with one stage 3rd floor. WTF and 3,000 baht short time 5,000 LT. If you are going to pay those kind of prices I recommend the lords the best soap land in BKK in my opinion. Didn't go to Soi but has their bar fines gone up as well?
But when she comes out she is dressed and says she is leaving. What?! I said no, we still have at least 2 more hours. She acts like she doesn't understand. I say, fine, but I will only give your 2000 as I am only getting half my time. She doesn't object so I get up and go over by the door to give her the money. I do, she looks at it, and say she needs 3000. I say if you want 3000 then stay the 4 hours. Well, ok, you know how it goes when trying to renegotiate with a Thai who knows little English. She just wanted her 3000, and perhaps she felt the time was ST for 2 hours. I repeated the mamasan said 4 hours. No budging on her part. Argh. I started to get dressed, saying we could go back and talk to the mamasan, but then I realized what would happen if I did that? I would then be surrounded by Thai bar girls thinking I was cheating HER, so I just threw the remaining 1000 at her, then went to the door and opened it up in a symbolic kicking her out. Frustration. I am good natured and never get angry, but I was a tad upset here!
I've never heard of a 4 hour short time in Bangkok. It was your misunderstanding as a result of you not doing basic research. Probably the mamasan said 'for hour', not 'four hours'. They don't have articles like 'a' and 'the' in Thai so most Thais don't include them when trying to speak English. You're lucky to get 2 hours so there was no need to get yourself all frustrated and start treating the girl like shit.
WTF is wrong with you guys! Why are you willing to BB these girls? HIV is a huge problem in SEA. Cover your buddy, always!
If you are 100, I guess you've got nothing to lose, but if you are under 90, wrap it up!
Look, we all need to be safe when we monger. It's the same thing as agreeing on a given price. If we work together, it makes the entire scene better. Running without rubber is a quick way to spread stuff that none of us wants. Don't do it!Do you have a link for studies showing how many heterosexual clients of female sex workers in South East Asia acquired HIV from those sexual encounters? I can't find anything on it. The closest I could find were a few studies that within their texts sometimes lump Female Sex Workers (FMW) with "and their clients", but show zero stats on how many of their clients supposedly acquired HIV from having sex with them. The texts then go on to discuss how the FSW likely acquired HIV and it is almost exclusively the result of having sex with People Who Inject Drugs (PWID), as in people (men) who acquired HIV by sharing needles, most typically their husbands or boyfriends. Maybe that is also how some of "their clients" acquired HIV and not from having vaginal or oral sex with them. The studies simply do not break it down into those specifics even though they most certainly could do so.
Otherwise, there isn't even an acronym in any of the HIV incidence studies or write-ups for someone like me or, I imagine, most of the guys on this site discussing P4 P mongering; heterosexual men who only have sex with women and do not share needles.
Even the USA CDC studies through 2014 could not find enough heterosexual white men who have acquired HIV via sex (presumably with women, since they're talking about heterosexuals) to include that category in their New HIV Diagnoses charts. Not sure why such studies would find anything different among white heterosexual men who travel to Thailand or anywhere else in SEA. In fact, I am sure heterosexual men who routinely travel to SEA were among the USA studies that did not show enough of them having acquired HIV via sex with females to even cite them in the charts:
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/overview/ataglance.html
Wolvenvacht
11-20-16, 19:17
Do you have a link for studies showing how many heterosexual clients of female sex workers in South East Asia acquired HIV from those encounters? I can't find anything on it. The closest I could find were a few studies that within their texts sometimes lump Female Sex Workers (FMW) with "and their clients", but show zero stats on how many of their clients supposedly acquired HIV from having sex with them. The texts then go on to discuss how the FSW likely acquired HIV and it is almost exclusively the result of having sex with People Who Inject Drugs (PWID), as in people (men) who acquired HIV by sharing needles, most typically their husbands or boyfriends. Maybe that is also how some of "their clients" acquired HIV and not from having vaginal or oral sex with them. The studies simply do not break it down into those specifics even though they most certainly could.
Otherwise, there isn't even an acronym in any of the HIV incidence studies or write-ups for someone like me or, I imagine, most of the guys on this site discussing P4 P mongering; heterosexual men who only have sex with women and do not share needles.
Even the USA studies through 2014 could not find enough heterosexual white men who have acquired HIV via sex (presumably with women, since they're talking about heterosexual white men) to include that category in their New HIV Diagnoses charts. Not sure why such studies would find anything different among white heterosexual men who travel to Thailand or anywhere else in SEA:
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/overview/ataglance.htmlI read clearly:
Heterosexual contact accounted for 24% (10,527) of estimated HIV diagnoses.
Women accounted for 19% (8,328) of estimated HIV diagnoses. Diagnoses among women are primarily attributed to heterosexual contact (87%, or 7,242) or injection drug use (13%, or 1,045).
An estimated 6% (2,635) of HIV diagnoses were attributed to injection drug use.
So heterosexual contact claimed four times as much new HIV cases as injection drug use. Out of the 10000 or so new cases, little over 8000 were women and almost 2000 were men.
These men are people known to have had heterosexual sex with women that either have HIV or are in a high risk category (such as drug users). They never shared needles or had other such risky behavior as that would have put them in a different category. People diagnosed with HIV but who had only contact with women (including prostitutes) whose HIV status is unknown are lumped in an 'unknown' (aka 'No Identified Risk') category and then statistically redistributed over all other categories. (see p. 16 of the report: "Persons whose transmission category is classified as heterosexual contact are persons who have ever had heterosexual contact with a person known to have, or to be at high risk for, HIV infection (e. G. , an injection drug user). " and "Because a substantial proportion of cases of HIV infection are reported to CDC without an identified risk factor, multiple imputation is used to assign a transmission category"). This is entirely logical: it is impossible to acquire HIV unless from someone who has HIV, so a category 'transmitted through heterosexual contact from someone without HIV" cannot exist in this kind of statistics and all 'No Identified Risk' cases are added to the other 'Identified' cases.
So, saying 'Even the USA studies through 2014 could not find enough heterosexual white men who have acquired HIV via sex' is wrong: 24% of the new cases have actually heterosxual sex as their main mode of transmission. But these studies never tried or aimed to calculate or estimate the risk of getting HIV through heterosexual intercourse in general. Quoting these studies as "proof" that there is no risk to get HIV from prostitutes is wrong.
Koperen Klaas
11-20-16, 21:23
WTF is wrong with you guys! Why are you willing to BB these girls? HIV is a huge problem in SEA. Cover your buddy, always!
If you are 100, I guess you've got nothing to lose, but if you are under 90, wrap it up!
Look, we all need to be safe when we monger. It's the same thing as agreeing on a given price. If we work together, it makes the entire scene better. Running without rubber is a quick way to spread stuff that none of us wants. Don't do it!You made your point in some threads already. Shouldn't you relocate to the appropriate thread? Please?
I went to Bangkok Beat last month and it was a bunch of old ladies working in there. Did I miss something?No, you didn't! I was there earlier this year (my first time) and I left within 30 seconds. I'm sure you know MIXX? I think you'd like it!
You made your point in some threads already. Shouldn't you relocate to the appropriate thread? Please?Boasting about unprotected sex is inevitably going to lead to a reaction so why are guys coming on here doing that? If they want to go bareback, do it but why try and convert others? It seems that some people's psychiatric issues are being played out on this forum at the moment.
So heterosexual contact claimed four times as much new HIV cases as injection drug use. Out of the 10000 or so new cases, little over 8000 were women and almost 2000 were men.Yes, and apparently every one of them was a black heterosexual man. Which is essentially the number that shows up on their chart for that category; 2108.
So, saying 'Even the USA studies through 2014 could not find enough heterosexual white men who have acquired HIV via sex' is wrong: 24% of the new cases have actually heterosxual sex as their main mode of transmission. But these studies never tried or aimed to calculate or estimate the risk of getting HIV through heterosexual intercourse in general. Quoting these studies as "proof" that there is no risk to get HIV from prostitutes is wrong. No, it is not wrong. If there were some 2,000 heterosexual white men whose likely mode of contracting HIV was through heterosexual sex, there would be an entry for it on that chart. But there isn't one. There is an entry for heterosexual white women as low as 1,115. So even if there were as few as 1,115 heterosexual white men who likely contracted HIV from sex, it would have been logical to include an entry for it on that chart. But there isn't one.
And I didn't post that link as "proof" that there is no risk of getting HIV from prostitutes. I posted it to show there is not even a category for someone like me with enough cases of contraction to include it on their charts. You can produce a chart showing that someone got hit by a falling meteorite. So there is definitely a risk of it happening. But I wouldn't start wearing full body armor while sitting in the living room to watch tv every night because that happened somewhere to someone.
But far be it from me to try to convince anyone else from not wearing full body armor anywhere and everywhere at all times just in case. Please do so. But don't try to convince me I am being evil, foolish or perhaps have "psychiatric" problems (not you, but others) for not doing so.
Bangkok Trip Report Day 1.
ut then I got hammered for tips. Heck, a working girl at another table wanted me to tip her. I said no. Later, a dude at the table she was standing by leans over to me, saying they are wondering why I don't tip her, then exclaims "why don't you just tip her, man?" I just stared at him for a few seconds, like why would I tip a girl who isn't doing anything for me? Then after I paid the BF, she wanted me to tip the woman who arranged it, who I thought was the manasan. I sighed as I paid. But as we exited the door, she pointed to another woman I had never seen and told me to tip her, as she was the manasan. I grumbled about why am I tipping these people?? I at least refused to tip one!
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We leave the place then she finds some friends outside and talks to them for a bit. I am starting to get a little upset, and close to walking away. But she is cute and returns to me and asks where my hotel is. It is a just a short walk and we end up there. She has forgotten to bring her ID but the hotel says it is ok. In my room, she sits down and gets on her phone. Fine, I will catch up on emails. I work for a while then when she seems to be off the phone and just lying there on the couch, I say I need a shower, but she says she is fine. I come out of the shower and she seems to be asleep. OK, I don't really need sex, so I will let her be . . . . You have listed some of the reasons why I generally do not bother girly bars. When I want sex, I head to one of the many massage places which provide multiple pops and take my pick. No tips to other people, no nonsense. I know what I pay, she knows what I pay I get laid. Everyone is happy. If you don't like the beds or the ambience, you can always do takeout to your place. It will at least guarantee that you get laid and probably at a price much cheaper than what you have to pay for bar fines, food, tips, drinks for her friends and having to cough up 3 or 4,000 baht for one shot because of a "misunderstanding. ".
My pal likes to live the 5 star life and he gets girls to his hotel from an escort service. He never has any complaints either. More expensive but he claims that the ladies are real lookers.
I sometimes take a freelancer home but only if I am sure there will be no nonsense. At the first sign of nonsense, I cut her loose.
I like to have a drink and therefore I go to bars where they serve good quality alcohol and the conversation is better. As opposed to the girly bars where they serve fake vodka or crap Thai beer.
Yes, I know that there are some go-go bars where the ladies don't mess around too much but they are expensive.
Jude Bright
11-21-16, 06:00
You have listed some of the reasons why I generally do not bother girly bars. When I want sex, I head to one of the many massage places which provide multiple pops and take my pick. No tips to other people, no nonsense. I know what I pay, she knows what I pay I get laid. Everyone is happy. If you don't like the beds or the ambience, you can always do takeout to your place. It will at least guarantee that you get laid and probably at a price much cheaper than what you have to pay for bar fines, food, tips, drinks for her friends and having to cough up 3 or 4,000 baht for one shot because of a "misunderstanding. ".
My pal likes to live the 5 star life and he gets girls to his hotel from an escort service. He never has any complaints either. More expensive but he claims that the ladies are real lookers.Hi Bro.
Will visit Bangkok in Jan for two days before heading to Phuket. I will arrive in BKK at 11:10 pm. I guess by the time I get into my hotel near Nana plaza, All the massage place will be closed. I would like to use the escort services. Could you recommend one or two that will provide good services?
Thanks.
Jb.
Wolvenvacht
11-21-16, 08:16
Hi Bro.
Will visit Bangkok in Jan for two days before heading to Phuket. I will arrive in BKK at 11:10 pm. I guess by the time I get into my hotel near Nana plaza, All the massage place will be closed. I would like to use the escort services. Could you recommend one or two that will provide good services?
Thanks.
Jb.Even when the MPs are closed, the bars and agogo clubs will still be in full swing. No need to run the risk of escorts.
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But far be it from me to try to convince anyone else from not wearing full body armor anywhere and everywhere at all times just in case. Please do so. But don't try to convince me I am being evil, foolish or perhaps have "psychiatric" problems (not you, but others) for not doing so.I think the point was made by Ko earlier that all these comments belong in the "Safe Sex in Thailand" thread. Funny how one post causes a burst of activity and always clutters up the wrong threads.
Trip Report Day 2 (Final).
Got ready to head to Nana at about 8 PM but it was pouring rain. I checked the radar and felt it wouldn't last must longer, and sure enough it soon stopped. I walked all the way down and the plaza was more favorably impressed than with Cowboy. I walked around all the levels while also searching for Rainbow 4, which I had been told was the current best. I see Rainbow 1, Rainbow 2, Rainbow 3 and Rainbow 5, but no Rainbow 4. Strange. I notice a lot of ladyboys. I peek inside a few clubs and some are full and others have lots of room. I figure I need to go inside one and check things out. I pop into Strip. Well, I quickly realize I made a mistake. This is a ladyboy bar! OMG. I laugh at myself, marvel at over a dozen of these people staring and smiling at me in a nearly empty bar, before getting the heck out. Wow. I ran to a nearby bar that I knew had real girls, and I believe it was Rainbow 2. I didn't see a great line up, but I needed to be surrounded by real women!
I ran in and took a seat on the other side, where the girls were better looking. A short while later a new girls takes the state, #40, and she is beautiful. She has a woman's body. Not a spinner, but slender with some curves and breasts. Really hot possibly model material. I want this one. After watching her for a while I request she come over. English not so good, but she is hot and she is being affectionate. Her name is Ann. The BF there is 700, but they say she will cost 3000. Yikes. I hesitant and think for many minutes. I ask how long. They say I can take her upstairs, or to hotel. I am thinking LT, and say hotel and how long. The mamasan says 4 hours. I ask about overnight but they either didn't understand or simply didn't answer. I think I really need to leave and check some more bars, but I doubt I will find anyone hotter and this is my last mongering day in Thailand and I want sleep, so I go ahead and agree. 3000 for 4 hours with a sexy hottie...FL Hawk,
Short time has no set time in Thailand. It depends on what that word means to to the girl. To some girls it means 30 minutes once in your room. Others don't want to leave. If she does not speak English and you want 4 hours make sure you tell the manager to tell her she has to stay for 4 hours in front of you Before you leave. Do you know what happens if the girl does not get her money? She calls the police right in front of you with her cell. The Thai police come and she tells them you refuse to pay the agreed price after she just fucked you. You have to options if the police can speak english. Pay the girl the extra 1000 or you go down to the police station with the girl for who knows how long and you can pay her the 1000 at the police station. By the way the police look at you like scum that come to their country to fuck their woman. Now you are ripping off their woman.
Juniorboysan
11-21-16, 14:31
Was in BKK this weekend and what I noticed since my last visit 4 months ago is that the bar fines are getting out of hand.
In Nana some places now charge 700 baht but we where quoted 1,100 bar fine at Rainbow the one with one stage 3rd floor. WTF and 3,000 baht short time 5,000 LT. If you are going to pay those kind of prices I recommend the lords the best soap land in BKK in my opinion. Didn't go to Soi but has their bar fines gone up as well?Also we checked out Thermae. Can't understand what all the fuss is about this place? Actually like my parents basement except with about 300 more people! You enter by a drink at the counter and you walk around in circles. Wasn't that impressed. Why the fuss about this place? Am I missing something?
Bangkok Trip Report Day 1.
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She led me to the far end of the street, turned right, went down a bit and enterd a door. Inside was a strip club full of naked women. She led me upstairs, and there were naked women giving lap dances with guys fondling all over them. We sat down and got drinks, but she was looking disgusted. After 5 minutes she grabs me and rushes out of there. Her English is turning out to be horrible, but from what I can decipher, a friend of hers works there and wanted her to work there. She was curious and wanted to go see the place, and she was repulsed by it. She said she was shy and could never do stuff like that. She realized she had to make a living, and sleeping with men was acceptable, but she didn't even want to dance up on a gogo stage dressed, let along dance naked and have men grope her like that, even though the money is apparently very good.
FL Hawk,
Loving the reports!
You brought up something that I have not seen much of in the BKK thread (strip clubs with lap dances, etc).
I was in BKK once a few years ago and am going back soon. I enjoyed a ping-pong show and got out alive.
But on my next trip I want to dive deeper into the raunchy (as possible) dark underbelly of Bangkok. I want serious raunchiness!
Raunchier the better!
To start:
1. Where exactly is the strip club of which you speak? (not regular go-go's.).
2. Where is any other strip club that allows lap dances, (or more raunchy stuff to watch or engage in)?
3. Where is the most recommended ping pong show?
Member #4591
11-21-16, 17:05
Boasting about unprotected sex is inevitably going to lead to a reaction so why are guys coming on here doing that? If they want to go bareback, do it but why try and convert others? It seems that some people's psychiatric issues are being played out on this forum at the moment.There's a dam safe sex thread for this nonsense and if you don't know how to read, then go back to school and learn! I wish an experienced guy like you would just ignore posts about safe sex but instead you just add fuel to the fire. Better yet, go see Ninja instead of wasting your time posting Krap. I have it on good authority you are her favorite customer now and she gets upset when you see another girl at SW or even at another Suk oily. These girls have ears everywhere.
go see Ninja instead of wasting your time posting Krap. I have it on good authority you are her favorite customer now .Damn. I thought I was Ninja's favorite. That hurts.
Also we checked out Thermae. Can't understand what all the fuss is about this place? Actually like my parents basement except with about 300 more people! You enter by a drink at the counter and you walk around in circles. Wasn't that impressed. Why the fuss about this place? Am I missing something?Thermae is simply an indoor bar where Freelance female sex workers gather, putting themseves on offer to customers for anywhere from about 2,000 baht to about 3,000 baht for Short Time, maybe Long Time depending on the girl. I don't think anyone here has represented it as anything else such as a go-go bar, a disco, a massage shop or a 3 ring circus, have they?
Of those 300 people you saw there, probably 220 of them were young girls and more mature women you can chat up and within a few minutes, maybe as few as 1-2 minutes, might and probably will walk with you to a nearby hotel room or your apartment to have sex with you for about the same cost as an unremarkable dinner for 2 at a middling coffee shop back in the USA. Maybe less.
I think that is worth making at least a little fuss over. You might disagree. I'm guessing nothing so interesting has been on offer in that quantity or quality in your parents' basement. ?
😊.
Franciscass
11-22-16, 04:02
Damn. I thought I was Ninja's favorite. That hurts.She is one hell of a performer. Ticks all the boxes and makes you feel you are the one that really turns her on. Personally I found the experience a little contrived and her ecstatic moaning needlessly hard on the ear. After a hard day's work and she certainly gives a 100% I'm told 4 to 6 times a day, I imagine her vocal cords are as sore as her pussy. However I'm sure her swelling bank balance more than makes up for it. And yes Snow White is far and away the best shop in town.
Banana Boi
11-22-16, 05:22
You brought up something that I have not seen much of in the BKK thread (strip clubs with lap dances, etc).Don't all gogo girls lap dance and allow you to grope them? In Pattaya they do. DFK, hand job in or out of pants, lap dance, groping tits and ass is the norm except for Baccara and Sensations where girls have been spoiled rotten by the lame undemanding Japanese.
Having said the above I'm curious where FL's strip club is too. Need something other than Thermae in BKK.
Juniorboysan, I think Eihtooms nicely summed up why we like Thermae. I really don't know any other place other than Sharks FKK club in Frankfurt where 150+ girls are checking you out more than you are checking them out. I personally think Thermae is fun but it may be because I know some girls in there to hang out with as well.
Jude Bright
11-22-16, 06:04
Even when the MPs are closed, the bars and agogo clubs will still be in full swing. No need to run the risk of escorts.Thanks for the advise.
JB.
Having said the above I'm curious where FL's strip club is too. Need something other than Thermae in BKK..If you read the report, I think he is referring to Crazy House.
My pal likes to live the 5 star life and he gets girls to his hotel from an escort service. He never has any complaints either. More expensive but he claims that the ladies are real lookers.I have never done the escort scene in Bangkok and hear so often that the girls' photos on the websites are photoshopped to the hilt. Speaking of which, I see that Stickman Weekly's featured article this past Sunday, "Bangkok Afternoon Delight", was all about his glamour photo shoot of 8 Bangkok escorts whose photos can be seen in the current article and will continue to be featured in future weeks. I don't believe he mentions which escort service they came from but it is certain they were from one of his regular advertisers. He does glamour up the poses and lighting but it appears to me there is little or no photoshopping done in the pics we see now.
https://www.stickmanbangkok.com/weekly-column/
I must say, based on the "looks" of the 8 girls that he or somebody at the escort service thought were so impressive as to likely spike up interest in hiring an escort sometime if they featured them in a Stickman's photo shoot, I don't think there is one (well, perhaps one, but it is hard to tell from the poses) that I wouldn't dump in favor of taking my chances with a girl in Thermae, Soi 7 Beer Garden or simply standing around on Sukhumvit Road or Soi 4. And at a fraction of the cost. In fact, that has been the case with virtually every Bangkok escort girl photo shoot I have ever seen on Stickman's site. I have not seen one escort featured there that, based on "looks", would entice me to take her for anything more the lowest negotiated price I could achieve with a regular FL off the street, if that.
Maybe some escorts' service levels are mind-blowing fantastic to justify the extra cost. But I haven't read a field report on the subject yet that sounded anything much more than your standard lick around the edges, slip on a cap and proceed kind of service, except it being done with a smile and a supposedly winning attitude or something like that.
Better yet, go see Ninja instead of wasting your time posting Krap. I have it on good authority you are her favorite customer now and she gets upset when you see another girl at SW or even at another Suk oily. These girls have ears everywhere.Nice detective work. Ninja is wonderful so it's good to hear she likes me. My first session with her was following your recommendation so I'm grateful for that.
Member #4698
11-22-16, 13:59
I must say, based on the "looks" of the 8 girls that he or somebody at the escort service thought were so impressive as to likely spike up interest in hiring an escort sometime if they featured them in a Stickman's photo shoot, I don't think there is one (well, perhaps one, but it is hard to tell from the poses) that I wouldn't dump in favor of <snip> Maybe some escorts' service levels are mind-blowing fantastic to justify the extra cost. But I haven't read a field report on the subject yet that sounded anything much more than your standard lick around the edges, slip on a cap and proceed kind of service, except it being done with a smile and a supposedly winning attitude or something like that.I agree with you. The girls featured in the article look a little weathered, a little over the hill, and not in the best of shape to me, not to mention that most of the girls featured in the article are just not that good looking IMHO.
But, I get it. Escorts come to your hotel room dressed up nicely, they have refined manners, and they will french kiss with the customer. My response to that is: So what! On any given night I can find younger, better looking, better performing girls that will do the same same and more all over BKK in soapies, GO GO's, and nightclubs. I guess that this is part of the main draw of a place like Spasso which features similar looking, aged, and mannered, nicely dressed FL's like these "afternoon dream" girls. In fact, I am pretty sure that many escorts moonlight in Spasso when business is slow. The advantage I see in going to Spasso for this type of girl is that I can get acquainted with the girl over a drink or two and see if there is any chemistry between us before committing to a liaison. With an escort, the customer has less than a few minutes in the doorway to decide whether to accept or reject the lady and payment for services occurs before services are rendered.
But since beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I am absolutely sure some guys will like the look of Stickman's "afternoon delights." I am equally sure that there are guys out there who do not enjoy the hunt, who do not like the bar room, go go, or nightclub setting, and lastly guys who want the quarry to come directly to them. This illustrates the great diversity of BKK. It has something for everybody and everybody's taste.
Juniorboysan
11-22-16, 15:39
Thermae is simply an indoor bar where Freelance female sex workers gather, putting themseves on offer to customers for anywhere from about 2,000 baht to about 3,000 baht for Short Time, maybe Long Time depending on the girl. I don't think anyone here has represented it as anything else such as a go-go bar, a disco, a massage shop or a 3 ring circus, have they?
Of those 300 people you saw there, probably 220 of them were young girls and more mature women you can chat up and within a few minutes, maybe as few as 1-2 minutes, might and probably will walk with you to a nearby hotel room or your apartment to have sex with you for about the same cost as an unremarkable dinner for 2 at a middling coffee shop back in the USA. Maybe less.
I think that is worth making at least a little fuss over. You might disagree. I'm guessing nothing so interesting has been on offer in that quantity or quality in your parents' basement. ?
😊.Point well taken just saying it was the first time I went there. Different strokes for different folks.
Lover Boy #2
11-23-16, 16:59
I have never done the escort scene in Bangkok and hear so often that the girls' photos on the websites are photoshopped to the hilt. Speaking of which, I see that Stickman Weekly's featured article this past Sunday, "Bangkok Afternoon Delight", was all about his glamour photo shoot of 8 Bangkok escorts whose photos can be seen in the current article and will continue to be featured in future weeks. I don't believe he mentions which escort service they came from but it is certain they were from one of his regular advertisers. He does glamour up the poses and lighting but it appears to me there is little or no photoshopping done in the pics we see now.
https://www.stickmanbangkok.com/weekly-column/
I must say, based on the "looks" of the 8 girls that he or somebody at the escort service thought were so impressive as to likely spike up interest in hiring an escort sometime if they featured them in a Stickman's photo shoot, I don't think there is one (well, perhaps one, but it is hard to tell from the poses) that I wouldn't dump in favor of taking my chances with a girl in Thermae, Soi 7 Beer Garden or simply standing around on Sukhumvit Road or Soi 4. And at a fraction of the cost. In fact, that has been the case with virtually every Bangkok escort girl photo shoot I have ever seen on Stickman's site. I have not seen one escort featured there that, based on "looks", would entice me to take her for anything more the lowest negotiated price I could achieve with a regular FL off the street, if that.
Maybe some escorts' service levels are mind-blowing fantastic to justify the extra cost. But I haven't read a field report on the subject yet that sounded anything much more than your standard lick around the edges, slip on a cap and proceed kind of service, except it being done with a smile and a supposedly winning attitude or something like that.I must completely agree with you. Stickman had some horrible ho'z up in there.
Banana Boi
11-23-16, 22:01
Yesterday night I first went to Biergarden Soin 7 (yes, I like that place.) but no good selection that time. After 10 pm went to Thermae: packed with surprisingly young girls, not many really attractive however. But I took a youngster to my room for ST / Once undressed, no breast at all, only nipples (yes she was a girl! Negociated for CIM but only slight BJ with lip tips and shy behavior. In other terms, a disaster, had to finish by myself. Sharp contrast with previous pic-ups in Thermae, but that's the rule fo the game, right?
This afternoon went to Club 102 on Soi 24. Very elegant inside, kind of "old brothel" atmosphere. Asked for CIM, 3 girls agreed, choose Ying. Very nice aldy, 37 y old but looking 25 with an absolute perfect body, including 2 apple-like round Bcups. Great experience! Long BBBJ (she obviously likes that), finished by CIM and a nice massag to finish the hour. What can I say: hard to think I could find better! Session was by far the best I ever had in BKK over the years, which is even more true for the BBBJ, what a technique! Left happy and can just say: absolute worthwhile going there. Nice renovated rooms too; when I think I paid the same price (2600 Baht) for both experiences, I get crazy, got just the exact opposite.I've moved this informative post to the proper thread.
I really like Club 102. Very nice place and a couple of the girls are ok too. Reminded me of a FKK set up. My girl was 21 or 22 and not too skilled but she tried hard.
Thermae is a crap shoot. Although I haven't experienced anyone terrible I know there is potential. On the opposite end when you click with the right Thermae girl it can be amazing.
I've moved this informative post to the proper thread.
I really like Club 102. Very nice place and a couple of the girls are ok too. Reminded me of a FKK set up. My girl was 21 or 22 and not too skilled but she tried hard.I don't recall hearing or reading about Club 102. Is Club 102 an oily massage?
I don't recall hearing or reading about Club 102. Is Club 102 an oily massage?http://www.letmegooglethat.com/?q=club+102+Bangkok
LoveShibuyaGirls
11-25-16, 00:16
What's up at Rainbow 4 recently?
Me and a friend of mine went to Crazy House Gogo bar at Soi Cowboy. And they let my white friend in and they wouldn't let me in because they thought I was "Indian".
The thing is. I am not Indian, and I even showed them my ID. But the guy couldn't read my English ID and didn't let me enter.
Would not recommend such a racist establishment.
Before you're born, you can't decide what race you're going to be.
What's up at Rainbow 4 recently?It's name has been changed to Rainbow 5. At present there is no bar in the Nana or Soi Cowboy area named Rainbow 4. Speculation is the name Rainbow 4 had been tarnished by reports of underrrrage dancers working the place (word misspelled to get past the "code" issue here), kept customers away for fear of legal problems, so the owners just decided to change the name's number from 4 to 5 but keep the "Rainbow" connection in it. Consequently, the bar that had more recently been named Rainbow 4 is now named Rainbow 5. Oh, and it is next door to where Rainbow 4 had been located before that. Twister Bar occupies the old Rainbow 4 bar location. lol.
Rainbow 5, as the sign outside the bar identifies it while the signs and graphics inside the bar still say Rainbow 4, is located on the second level of Nana Plaza. Otherwise, I think the place operates more or less the same as it always did.
Rainbow 5, as the sign outside the bar identifies it while the signs and graphics inside the bar still say Rainbow 4, is located on the second level of Nana Plaza. Otherwise, I think the place operates more or less the same as it always did.Does that include its "members only" policy too? Of course, those of us who have mongered in Thailand know what that means. I hope they go all the way out of business!
LoveShibuyaGirls
11-25-16, 16:49
OK, thanks for the info.
Are more of the girls showing recently?
Last time I was there, all of the girls were in both top and bottom, but I saw some video on YouTube with a lot of the girls blurred out so wondering if something changed.
It's name has been changed to Rainbow 5. At present there is no bar in the Nana or Soi Cowboy area named Rainbow 4. Speculation is the name Rainbow 4 had been tarnished by reports of underrrrage dancers working the place (word misspelled to get past the "code" issue here), kept customers away for fear of legal problems, so the owners just decided to change the name's number from 4 to 5 but keep the "Rainbow" connection in it. Consequently, the bar that had more recently been named Rainbow 4 is now named Rainbow 5. Oh, and it is next door to where Rainbow 4 had been located before that. Twister Bar occupies the old Rainbow 4 bar location. lol.
Rainbow 5, as the sign outside the bar identifies it while the signs and graphics inside the bar still say Rainbow 4, is located on the second level of Nana Plaza. Otherwise, I think the place operates more or less the same as it always did.
MichaelSamuel
11-25-16, 22:21
My Thailand trip was quite lengthy this year at 9 nights, with 3 prearrange with an existing thai GF and the rest ***. I wasn't sure going in if I would stay the full time or leave early given the early closings and the 30 day mourning restrictions, but ended up staying in Bangkok for 6 of the 9. I ended up sticking to just oily massage shops and gogos and will report on the massage places in the appropriate thread.
I based myself out the landmark as I was able to get good rates through agoda and my credit card concierge service. Service was great and had free upgrades 2 out of 3 of my check-ins. First night I stopped at Hooters to grab a beer and food. Was actually quite good and after 4 days of Chinese and 9 days of thai ahead of me I thought a western meal wasn't out of order. I proceeded to Nana early (8 ish) and started at twisters to look for a girl from September. Unfortunately my notes had the wrong number since it definitely wasn't the girl I was looking for and I couldn't identify her despite my best efforts. Good lesson to make sure you get number, name, and chat ID if possible on any potential targets. Selection was decent and stages were full, I spied a few targets and stayed for 2 drinks but didn't end up pulling any of the girls. I did make a couple laps around to get a better view of the stage further from me which definitely helped. In general mood was a bit subdued, this was November 2-11 so was still in the early closure and 30 day mourning period so not surprised, but in general was basically business as normal. As it's not much use to anyone now I won't comment much on the early closures other than later during a negotiation at billboard. Having taken down some numbers for later at twisters (320,321,444).
I moved on to RB5 in the corner, the current iteration I believe of RB4. Definitely an improvement on selection this time over my visit in September, was probably around 9 when I got there. After watching a few shift changes and narrowing it down to 82 or 153 I called 153 (Annie) over and bought her a drink. A sweet young thing with a set of nice man mades I did the basic getting to know you interview and decided to try her out. I prefer to ask the girls for LT as I find it can be a good indicator of their level of commitment and that hasn't failed me so far even if I decide to just take them short time. She was a ST only girl but since it was early and I liked her look I still went for it. Wanted 3 k but took 2. 5 k which seemed to be the best I could do this trip even with the early closures. Now back to the room she had some trouble with what I was packing and some complaints but also was definitely rushing a bit which I wasn't having. So at this point wouldn't rate her very high, but it got interesting as changed into a few different positions and then while in lazy dog she started to get really into it. I think the position was more comfortable for her and she found herself actually enjoying it and came which was pretty hot and I followed her lead. In the end she gets a point bump for the ending and I wouldn't have minded her staying and making another run at it but she wasn't interested. I would consider repeating as I saw a hint of possibility of establishing something that might work itself into something better. Body – 8, Face -8, Skills-6, attitude-7.
Being my first night and so close it was now about 11:20 I decided I would stop by billboard just to check things for future nights after returning from a few days away with one of my regulars. Billboard was doing good business and selection was good as it has been lately. I was on fence about taking another girl but after watching #59 (see pic from twitter below) I decided what the hell? Only here a limited time maybe it will be great. So called her over for a drink and was getting good vibe but her English wasn't great. As it was almost midnight and they were collecting all the tabs tried to suggest we meet after the bar closes but she either didn't understand or wasn't up for it. Ok, I can eat the 700 THB barfine. But then she refused to take less than 3 k for short time. Now I know it's only 500 THB, but considering that I was also kicking in for the barfine and the bar was closing I just wasn't having it. Honestly given the early closures and large number of girls available I felt some recognition of the ability to get paid still was in order and 2 k should have been enough for any of these girls. So she walked and lights came on shortly later and the girls quickly disappeared. I may have gone to bed alone but I don't regret my choice as that was too many red flags. Clearly despite the pricing pressure it's not enough to move the thai economics of lower demand higher prices. In general I would say these girls are just not hungry enough and willing to work, a theme that seemed to repeat itself throughout my trip with the gogo girls.
MichaelSamuel
11-25-16, 23:50
Back to Nana for my 2nd night solo and worked my way around to a few places, honestly can't remember all of them. I did go into angelwitch for the first time and enjoyed the shows, but none of the girls were to my liking. Tried the mandarin at the top of the escalator and selection was really bad, honestly I finished my drink and bailed as quickly as possible. Headed up to mandarin upstairs were the lineup was much better. Had my eye on a few when a girl from behind comes up and starts massaging my shoulders, now I would have put a stop to this quick as letting the girl chose you rarely ends well, but she hit just the right spot and I went with it. When I finally saw her she wasn't really my type but was sweet and hot enough and had gotten her a drink for the good massage anyway. Getting a good vibe off of her I decided to John Nash it and not take the hottest girl from the bar but one below and boy was it a good call. She kept on warming up and before you know it full on DFK while sitting on the bench. Normally not something I would do, but it is a good indicator I have found of things to come. She wasn't a coyote so barfine was 700 thb I think. Back in the room she was a real winner, didn't even make it past the shower before the action started. She was a real firecracker and stayed the night and had another great session in the morning. If only she had been a bit more my type in the looks department I would have gone right back to her. I meant to repeat before I left and then she wasn't working the last night, so it was my loss. She was by far my best pull performance wise from the gogos this trip. Name was Than. Body – 7, Face -7, Skills-8, attitude-9.
OK, thanks for the info.
Are more of the girls showing recently?
Last time I was there, all of the girls were in both top and bottom, but I saw some video on YouTube with a lot of the girls blurred out so wondering if something changed.Last time I popped in to Rainbow 5 (used to be 4), a couple of weeks ago, a few girls went topless but don't recall any going bottomless.
The Cane, I have not had personal experience nor observed the "members only" racist move there. But I don't happen to fall into the usual non "member" category in some Thai go-go bars and it is possible my not observing it is merely a matter of timing, not that I saw Indians freely entering without being stopped or questioned. I just haven't seen that moment either way.
Me and a friend of mine went to Crazy House Gogo bar at Soi Cowboy. And they let my white friend in and they wouldn't let me in because they thought I was "Indian".
The thing is. I am not Indian, and I even showed them my ID. But the guy couldn't read my English ID and didn't let me enter.
Would not recommend such a racist establishment.
Before you're born, you can't decide what race you're going to be.Don't take it personally MB, unfortunately many men of Indian appearance have been a big problem for the girls. Not paying or expecting a girl to fuck multiple guys once back and the room is a common complaint. There was a guy from India here on ISG a few weeks back wanting girls willing to take on 4 guys, Thai girls don't like it.
I was talking to a bargirl friend a few weeks back about the very subject and that's the explanation I got.
Christian G
11-27-16, 13:43
There was a guy from India here on ISG a few weeks back wanting girls willing to take on 4 guys, Thai girls don't like it.Of course thai girls don't like it, becuase usually they want fuck in 4 but pay only for one!
Men from India have very bad reputation among thai people, there's a way of saying I won't tell.
Banana Boi
11-27-16, 18:55
There was a guy from India here on ISG a few weeks back wanting girls willing to take on 4 guys, Thai girls don't like it.I have seen several Thai girls on baht buses with 2-3 Indian guys. They always have a very sad "Save Me' look on their face.
Manfield04
11-27-16, 19:14
When one walks along Beach Road at night, one can see how Indian men negotiate with the girls. You will very rarely see one man negotiating with one girl but the whole group of 3, 4, 5 or more men speaking with one girl. I don't know whether they like or want to fuck the same girl or it's their way of doing business.
I have seen several Thai girls on baht buses with 2-3 Indian guys. They always have a very sad "Save Me' look on their face.
When one walks along Beach Road at night, one can see how Indian men negotiate with the girls. You will very rarely see one man negotiating with one girl but the whole group of 3, 4, 5 or more men speaking with one girl. I don't know whether they like or want to fuck the same girl or it's their way of doing business.Cost saving policy. They hope to buy one hour of her time at the ST rate and use her in turns, one by one, within the hour.
MichaelSamuel
11-28-16, 00:31
There are 2 short haired girls at billboard, one of which stick has featured in his posts before (photo below), they are close friends and always together in the bar. I had barfined each of them on separate occasions in May and Sept and had a good time with each. The first had my line ID and sent me message after I took her friend last time, not complaining just pouting. So on the return I had sent her a message and she suggested I see them both. I didn't really know what to expect but the girls were a fun bunch and I thought a night out partying with two girls who were all smiles would be good regardless how it turned out. Was hoping to meet them outside the bar and avoid the barfines, but they wanted picked up from the bar so that didn't go. I thought maybe though it would set expectations a bit for later but that didn't seem to be the case as it turns out. None the less, the me with the two girls in tow proceeded to have a fun time drinking and bar hopping in Nana. I got plenty of attention and was fun to have both of them around and I had a good night which is what I wanted. It was a different experience and it was fun to hit all sorts of different bars with the girls.
Quick rundown on the bars I recall. The newest nana bar next to billboard, sorry I forget the name, is really nice inside but the lineup was virtually non-existent and in bad need of staffing help. I wouldn't plan on drink here, but the staffing could change at any time so maybe stick you head in and if there are enough girls check it out. Jailbirds is huge and had tons of girls, but quality was definitely a step below billboard. Lots of selection though and I think is worth a drink on the hunt in the future. It's very spacious if you like to have some more room between you and the next fella. Last bar was Bangkok bunnies which also was sporting a decent lineup and was quite deep on the numbers. Drinks were a maybe 20 thb more expensive than most other bars visited that night just FYI. So getting close to midnight and closing time and one of the girls has to bail to video chat with the American boyfriend who is doing a visa for her and thinks she isn't working anymore. I was a bit disappointed that no threesome was headed my way, but honestly in my experience those things are rarely that fun and if the girls were really into it she would have found a way to make it work. I had a great time bar hopping with the girls and it probably saved me another 2500 thb that would have just been a waste anyway. I was happy to have the other one and we had a good time back in the room. Did I get scammed? Maybe a little, but I should have been clearer from the outset and I still had a fun time with the evening so it was still a win for me and just kicking in another 2500 for another girl if it isn't going to be interactive threesome is just a waste to me. I have a good rapport with the girls and hopefully will pay off more in the future.
As a side not the other girl below (blonde) was the one I wrote about from September trip that pulled the "on period" thing after the barfine when I wanted to leave. Found out that she is a couple months pregnant with customer baby and has tom girlfriend! Such a shame as she had rocking body. I heard 2 months prego so I guess maybe I dodged the bullet, could have been mine hahaha.
Eszpresszo
11-28-16, 00:57
When one walks along Beach Road at night, one can see how Indian men negotiate with the girls. You will very rarely see one man negotiating with one girl but the whole group of 3, 4, 5 or more men speaking with one girl. I don't know whether they like or want to fuck the same girl or it's their way of doing business.I have seen that depicted in a video about Beach Road. A certain Brit Vblogger was strolling down the sidewalk, videotaping the scene. He came across a group of Indians talking to one small girl and made a comment like yours.
I would be tempted just to walk right in the middle of them, and tell her, "Whatever they just offered you, I'll pay you that much just to walk away from these fools."
After all, it couldn't be very much money, could it? For me, it would be worth $20 just to see what happened.
Soi Cowboy Bars and GoGos are closing at 3a. Hit Penny Black Bar, next to the Corner Bar, if you want to keep drinking. I've been told it's open til 8a. It's near the Asok entrance to Soi Cowboy. It's signage is impossible to see when all the lights are off. It's on the 3rd floor, best to take the elevator to the right of the stars. SML is 170 baht, mixed drinks start at 200 baht, thai whiskey shot is 220 baht. You'll see some of the Soi Cowboy dancers and waitresses there. You'll save the barfine, but will spend more buying drinks for her and her friends. YMMV.
Soi Cowboy Bars and GoGos are closing at 3a. Hit Penny Black Bar, next to the Corner Bar, if you want to keep drinking. I've been told it's open til 8a. It's near the Asok entrance to Soi Cowboy. It's signage is impossible to see when all the lights are off. It's on the 3rd floor, best to take the elevator to the right of the stars. SML is 170 baht, mixed drinks start at 200 baht, thai whiskey shot is 220 baht. You'll see some of the Soi Cowboy dancers and waitresses there. You'll save the barfine, but will spend more buying drinks for her and her friends. YMMV.Is nana bars open until 3 am also or closing earlier? Thanks for the penny black bar info.
Me and a friend of mine went to Crazy House Gogo bar at Soi Cowboy. And they let my white friend in and they wouldn't let me in because they thought I was "Indian".
The thing is. I am not Indian, and I even showed them my ID. But the guy couldn't read my English ID and didn't let me enter.
Would not recommend such a racist establishment.
Before you're born, you can't decide what race you're going to be.I doubt that racist policies are restricted to precisely those that are officially Indian. You may be trying to apply too much logic. I have some very good buddies that are Indians, living in various other countries like USA, Germany, and Australia. So I have nothing against Indians, yes I know, you are from a different ancestry.
As we have not seen you, it is hard to guess, exactly what it is about your look that he did not like, and what type of prejudices might be held. I don't deny that Thais are generally racists for a moment. Strong body odour is another possibility. Look I don't claim to understand the basis of discrimination policies, however it may not be as simple as what your ID Card says.
This may on a complete tangent to the original issue, I don't know.
I find guys with very strong body odour, very hard to sit next to or even near in a bar or anywhere (on planes can be a problem), even if they are compatriots from my own country. So their origin is totally irrelevant. It is worse for me than putting up with smokers, and perhaps on a similar level to trying to stand cigar smoke, but worse. So my problem is nothing to do with the race of the person. It is just the nose irritant level from stench of acrid under arms near by seems to make me feel sick. I found very difficult to stand in a queue next to guys with bad B. O. In Thailand. Thai people are also very sensitive to odours that they are not used to. For this reason, I am extremely fastidious with body and mouth cleaning before going with Thai girls or to bars. The tongue is a prime source of bad odours for older guys, so I brush tongue and use a tongue scraper.
I once had the guts to tell a Caucasian work college he had severe underarm odour. He took it well, and was able to make improvement in the future, because previously he just did not know, even the entire office was well aware. His nose does not function like mine.
My advice to guys, is to try to look very classy in fresh clothes, be very clean and odour free, and try to look as different as possible to the customers that get categorised as stingy and wanting to sit on a glass of water all night. It might help.
I don't excuse racist policies for a moment. However I probably will still be a Crazy House customer. I hope they keep out cigar smokers or ban them, and anyone with extreme body odour, since I would have to flee them. I certainly don't mind the skin colour of customers or girls.
There are 2 short haired girls at billboard, one of which stick has featured in his posts before (photo below), they are close friends and always together in the bar. I met a different girl at Billboard with a similar haircut to the one on the right, part shaved. I believe her name was Tina. No BF, since I had previous action already. I would like to see her again, though. I believe she was quite tall and had a good body.
I don't deny that Thais are generally racists for a moment. Strong body odour is another possibility.I heard a Thai-Indian say that the Thais accept them working in the garment and hotel industry, but they are not welcome in other places. I didn't see any Indians at RCA 2.
After Koreans eat Korean BBQ with garlic (great food) and soju (horrible alcohol), they can really smell. They are welcomed with open arms into the go-go bars. They don't even have to pre-buy the drinks at Baccara.
Even the bar girls in Thailand and Angeles acknowledges (and laugh) that they can smell, but they still accept barfines from them.
Wander Luster
11-29-16, 00:40
Boasting about unprotected sex is inevitably going to lead to a reaction so why are guys coming on here doing that? If they want to go bareback, do it but why try and convert others? It seems that some people's psychiatric issues are being played out on this forum at the moment.Yes, your are spot on. Guys that want bare-back vaginal remind me of my Pres-to-be in usa, Trump: all fantasy, and little regard for facts. BUT I get BB BJ a lot which is also a problem, though far less.
Yes, your are spot on. Guys that want bare-back vaginal remind me of my Pres-to-be in usa, Trump: all fantasy, and little regard for facts. BUT I get BB BJ a lot which is also a problem, though far less.I for one have a high regard for facts, quite unlike USA President-elect Trump. If you have facts to offer showing that non black heterosexual males or, rather, non culturally sub-Saharan African-related heterosexual males have even a statistically meaningful, much less "high" risk of contracting HIV from bareback vaginal intercourse, please post the reliable links for them in the Safe Sex in Thailand thread.
I challenged the apparently ill-informed and fantasy-prone alarmist who suggested he knew of such "facts" to do the same here (or on that other thread, doesn't matter) and I see that he has not done it even after having several days to find some.
So now it's your turn. Since it is such an urgent matter, we will be looking for those links to appear in that thread soon. Thanks.
Is Nana bars open until 3 am also or closing earlier? Thanks for the penny black bar info.
Asian Rain
11-29-16, 14:51
When one walks along Beach Road at night, one can see how Indian men negotiate with the girls. You will very rarely see one man negotiating with one girl but the whole group of 3, 4, 5 or more men speaking with one girl. I don't know whether they like or want to fuck the same girl or it's their way of doing business.Saw the same thing last week in Nana Hotel car park. I got close to observe. The girl they were negotiating with kept holding up one finger insisting that she would only do one fuck with one guy for her pay. More guys and more fucking meant more cash outlay, so negotiation broke off. Of course after the Indian group left all the girls were having a talk about it.
As for CH, I was sitting next to an Indian guy on a prior visit. He was drinking a water and enjoying the show. Girls would approach him and he would let them come close where he would cop a feel of the girls, but never bought a drink or anything else. Of course the girls on stage see this too, so they get their impressions accordingly.
I can't say that they make much of an impression in terms of their contribution to the scene. I mean, really, can anybody point me to a single useful field trip report filed by an Indian? If so, it would be vastly outnumbered by the pathetic mooching requests for contacts (check out the Tokyo thread where I just read one) or whinges about the ill treatment they receive at entertainment venues from Hong Kong to Bangkok to wherever. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.
Banana Boi
11-29-16, 16:01
With some of the crap reviews of thermae of late I wasn't expecting much. Other than my 2 favorites who are now retired Thermae is still rocking with over 150 girls at 9 pm. All the girls I had my eye on were the first to get picked up. No need to worry about Thermae. Maybe those who reviewed Thermae don't like petite girls in their early 20's who resemble Jpop and Kpop stars.
With some of the crap reviews of thermae of late I wasn't expecting much. Other than my 2 favorites who are now retired Thermae is still rocking with over 150 girls at 9 pm. All the girls I had my eye on were the first to get picked up. No need to worry about Thermae. Maybe those who reviewed Thermae don't like petite girls in their early 20's who resemble Jpop and Kpop stars.I just picked up a little cutie in Thermae last night. Actually, it was a return trip from a visit I made a couple of nights earlier with a buddy but that was an "off" night for me with regard to taking a girl since I had a non pro date lined up for later that night. So I was just hanging with my friend. But while there, I noted a couple of likely candidates for next time.
And that next time was last night. Was cruising around alone and didn't even make it through the door since one of the sexy little ladies on my return-to-do list just happened to be standing at the top of the steps after (I guessed) having a quick smoke, although my sensitive nose for that nasty and life-threatening habit didn't catch a whiff of it then or later.
After a very brief, pleasant and relaxed discussion in English about which of the 2-3 real GFE activities that I require to justify parting with any of my P4 P baht she would be up for on this lovely evening at about 10 pm, it was decided that this would be a fine night for her to give me her best BBBJ+CIM. Which she did, in my apartment, no rush or clock watching, no unpleasant surprises, no last second head turn or silly cum-dodging. And that was after we showered together, cuddled and kissed a bit and, according to her (true or not, it was nice of her to make a fuss over it all the same), she experienced the first orgasm of her tender 25 years on Earth as a result of DATY.
I would repeat this one. Her BBBJ+CIM rivaled some of the better ones I've gotten at the various BJ Bars around town.
Yeah, according to recent Thermae lore, 63 year old non Asian white dudes are not supposed to get any bjs at all much less superior BBBJ+CIMs from cute, sexy, youngish Thermae girls anymore. But apparently this one didn't get the memo. 😆.
There had been no mention of "how much" in our earlier discussion but I gave her 2,000 baht for the rewarding and very satisfying 90 minutes-2 hours or so we had together in my apartment and was happy to do it.
Me and a friend of mine went to Crazy House Gogo bar at Soi Cowboy. And they let my white friend in and they wouldn't let me in because they thought I was "Indian".
The thing is. I am not Indian, and I even showed them my ID. But the guy couldn't read my English ID and didn't let me enter.
Would not recommend such a racist establishment.
Before you're born, you can't decide what race you're going to be.I'm Indian, visited the place a couple of months ago and they asked me to pay 500 baht as an entrance fee while others were being let in for free. I paid up, went in and had a good time, making sure to be nice to the ladies and tipping well for my drinks. I really don't blame them as I have seen Indians behaving obnoxiously towards WG's in places like Macau and FKK's in Germany. Girls on some escort sites simply refuse to entertain Indians. I am guessing it's because they want the sex for free or have a bunch of their friends lying in wait in their hotel room without her consent.
Wander Luster
11-29-16, 18:07
Boasting about unprotected sex is inevitably going to lead to a reaction so why are guys coming on here doing that? If they want to go bareback, do it but why try and convert others? It seems that some people's psychiatric issues are being played out on this forum at the moment.
I for one have a high regard for facts, quite unlike USA President-elect Trump. If you have facts to offer showing that non black heterosexual males or, rather, non culturally sub-Saharan African-related heterosexual males have even a statistically meaningful, much less "high" risk of contracting HIV from bareback vaginal intercourse, please post the reliable links for them in the Safe Sex in Thailand thread.
I challenged the apparently ill-informed and fantasy-prone alarmist who suggested he knew of such "facts" to do the same here (or on that other thread, doesn't matter) and I see that he has not done it even after having several days to find some.
So now it's your turn. Since it is such an urgent matter, we will be looking for those links to appear in that thread soon. Thanks.It's been generally accepted for years. If my doctor says to do HIV checks because I could get it, that's enough. Also, you're going to spread Chlamydia and other STDs to those of us that use condoms! So, you spread it from your habits, and I'm more likely to get it from no-condom oral which is otherwise very tough for getting STDs. I had Chlamydia from bare-back and later spread to a GF of mine. That sucked. It's much more dangerous for women than men.
"Chlamydia is often symptomless and goes untreated. When it does, the consequences in women can be particularly severe, resulting in chronic pelvic pain or infertility.
Chlamydia: Symptoms, Treatment and Prevention" - LiveScience.
www.livescience.com/34711-chlamydia-std-prevention-symptoms-treatment.html
Member #4698
11-29-16, 18:22
It's been generally accepted ...Will you please post this in the proper forum. Thank you.
Jimmy Boy 99
11-29-16, 19:57
Saw the same thing last week in Nana Hotel car park. I got close to observe. The girl they were negotiating with kept holding up one finger insisting that she would only do one fuck with one guy for her pay. More guys and more fucking meant more cash outlay, so negotiation broke off. Of course after the Indian group left all the girls were having a talk about it.Snip.Returning from Climax about 12:45 AM today saw three Indian men talking to one Thai hooker on Soi 11. Overheard one say that all three were sharing a room. Presumably trying to negotiate 3 fucks for the price of one with the girl. Did not stick around to see how negotiation finished.
Returning from Climax about 12:45 AM today saw three Indian men talking to one Thai hooker on Soi 11. Overheard one say that all three were sharing a room. Presumably trying to negotiate 3 fucks for the price of one with the girl. Did not stick around to see how negotiation finished.You didn't stick around for the grand slam price of 4 in one! Only joking. Wondering how they choose the batting order? Ewww.
Banana Boi
11-30-16, 00:49
Too bad I didn't know you were around eihtooms and Jimmy boy, would have been nice to share notes. Thermae was the best I have ever seen it.
One farang was not setting a good example. A girl ordered pad ka prao I think and asked him to pay. He barked out something like you ordered it and she paid. It's like 80 baht.
It's been generally accepted for years. If my doctor says to do HIV checks because I could get it, that's enough. So, as it is for the ill-informed fantasy-prone alarmist who posted his as yet unfounded claims regarding the risk of acquiring HIV through bareback vaginal intercourse, you have no links for modern scientific studies at all much less reputable and reliable ones to post either here or in the proper thread.
You know, it used to be generally accepted that the Earth was flat and the Sun revolved around it rather than the other way around. It took centuries before the research and overwhelming empirical evidence refuting those unfounded claims finally triumphed over fantasy. But this is one issue where the easily available studies, research and overwhelming empirical evidence only took a few years to triumph over our initial fantasies, fears and hysteria anout it. However, it only triumphs over fantasy for those willing to acknowledge them.
I get tested every 2-3 months and have recommended others do the same here and elsewhere several times. I don't think a man should even consider doing BBFS unless he has a current, less than 3 months, clean result HIV and other STI document from a reliable source to present to his partner. It is fast, cheap, easy and the responsible thing to do. I have never refuted the notion that a man "can" acquire HIV from vaginal intercourse. But we now know that it is extremely rare and likely never happens absent the existence of extreme blood-letting behaviors or large open sore co-factors.
And on the issue of the next guy getting something even though he wears a condom because the guy before him did not, wouldn't it stand to reason if a man can still get something despite wearing a condom then another man can give something despite wearing one as well?
I will move this reply to the other thread after the post I am replying to goes there....if that is even doable.lol. How do you miove posts after the time window for editing has long passed?
Pussycheck
11-30-16, 09:09
I have been told about a club called Monte Carlo which is said to be a good pick up place in Bangkok.
Has anybody been there already?
Will you please post this in the proper forum. Thank you.I agree this BB topic gets extremely boring. Would be nice if the moderators would delete all posts on it not in the correct thread.
The ISG could be improved immensely by strong moderation.
Too bad I didn't know you were around eihtooms and Jimmy boy, would have been nice to share notes. Thermae was the best I have ever seen it.
One farang was not setting a good example. A girl ordered pad ka prao I think and asked him to pay. He barked out something like you ordered it and she paid. It's like 80 baht.Might have a look tonight, but probably I will already fucked out when I arrive, since my favourite girl will come late afternoon.
My powers are a little sapped by a bad cold. LOL Poor old man.
Just to get this straight for all the newbies. There is no single surefire place to go and pick up the really hot / expensive (10 k+ longtime) girls, right?
It's just a matter of trawling through the more or less upscale go-gos like spice girls / and clubs like MIXX? Ignoring escort sites that is.
I have been told about a club called Monte Carlo which is said to be a good pick up place in Bangkok. Has anybody been there already?Google is your friend. It's one of Bangkok's Gentleman's Clubs. I've never been, but from what I just read on the net, you better have Deep pockets. For example: " Drinks are especially expensive and most girls can be quite aggressive for you to open a bottle of liquor worth 5,000 baht. If you get tipsy or drunk, expect that your wallet will run dry for that night. " Let us know how it goes. And best of luck. http://www.montecarlobangkok.com/index.php.
First look in Crazy for a while. Back to normal nude dancing. At at 8. 45 line up weak, but a few doable girls had showed up by 9. 30 Pm.
I thought 86,93, 112, and 119 were OK and a couple of others where no. Forgotten. 93 was sleek and sexy. I could easily try some day.
CH has some black customers so discrimiation is not based on skin colour. I can't say what is exact basis for sure.
Quick look in Suzie. Still the same. Mamasan Taay tells me that the transformation to a sister club of Baccara is coming soon though. Perhaps some Baccara girls will move to Suzie. Eventually Suzie will die for me.
Lady drinks in Suzie are now 200 Baht. That was a shock.
First look in Crazy for a while. Back to normal nude dancing. At at 8. 45 line up weak, but a few doable girls had showed up by 9. 30 Pm.
I thought 86,93, 112, and 119 were OK and a couple of others where no. Forgotten. 93 was sleek and sexy. I could easily try some day.Sleek and sexy 93 is, as I recall, Susan or something that sounds similar to that in a very loud go-go bar. She feels good in the hands, claims to have been working there for 3 months, is not shy about approaching and snuggling if so inspired by whatever but most likely the prospect of getting a lady drink or two.
Sat with her on my lap a while the other night, bought a couple of drinks between dance sets. She said, as many do, that she would return to me after the next set and that she did. I couldn't decide if I was all that interested in barfining her or not. She never brought it up and, frankly, I just wasn't feeling it with her after giving it plenty of time to gel. So when she went back on stage for another dance set I settled up and left.
I think working girls in this kind of environment decide to either send signals that they want to be barfined, in which case, they perk up and try to be stimulating or send signals that they are not interested in being barfined either because they don't want you as a customer or they have reason to believe a long time reliable customer is due any minute, in which case they go a bit passive and dull but not so much as to duscourage lady drink purchases.
My impression with her that night was more of the latter.
I agree this BB topic gets extremely boring. Would be nice if the moderators would delete all posts on it not in the correct thread.
The ISG could be improved immensely by strong moderation.What makes you think there isn't already all the moderation and post deleting the powers that be here are interested in enforcing and that they just don't happen to agree with you and other complainers that the BB / condom / no condom topic is boring and / or inappropriate for this thread?
Maybe they think it is quite useful, appropriate for the topics addressed in this thread and ultimately helpful to both the practitioners and customers of Bangkok's P4 P scene.
Decided to look in Jail Birdz for the first time. The structure in the middle if the dance floor was just a big nuisance. I guess the bar could be called Billboard 2 as they a suds bath with topless girls. Unfortunately there were far too few topless girls. Most girls needed to get more gear off to create some interest. I could not see a single girl I would consider doing.
They have a very nice mamasan Lek that I knew well from being a Dollhouse waitress and eventually a mamasan. Ot is not enough to save the place. They could well sack every girl and move a new set from Billboard.
The girls were just far too a average. To be fair I was not that early maybe 10.30 pm and the best girls could have gone already.
One quite good looking girl stood in front of me trying to get attention. I ignored her due to the nose not being too good. Probably a nose job.
My ex Billboard girl Tukata apparently quit Jail Birdz long ago. She would be easily far prettier than all that were there.
I think they have to get some pretty girls or die.
I moved on to Mercury. Big contrast. Definitely a few lookers in there. I was attracted to a tall skinny I had not seen before so called her for a drink. Name was Biw. Cute nose all natural girl. Mercury had another Biw but the old Biw was not there.
New Biw turned out to be working her very first day. What is more I guessed she had no experience and yes turned out she had just turned 18, previously could not work.
I asked if she could understand English at all. She did not understand the question as was asked in English. So her English was a big zero. She says she will be working every night and yet has to go to school in the daytime. Financial problems. She mentioned mother but not father.
So even she is cute slim and had nice pussy shape under the bikini, she could struggle with ability to converse only in Thai. I did not intend to fuck anyone as had a bad cold and below par. I did not actually ask if she was available for sex. However I was really tempted thinking she could well be a virgin as far as non Thai men went.
Perhaps another day I won't be able to resist. Obviously she will have virtually no experience or skills but perhaps could do a GFE if not too shy. She has never tried drinking alcohol so I will probably give her just one alcoholic drink next time to see how she copes and perhaps inhibitions could be be alleviated as well. If I can get a tongue kiss out of her, that will seal it I think.
I feel a bit dirty old man to be thinking of taking a young girl with so little experience, but at least she could do with a nice guy who can speak Thai to break her in easy so to speak. She could be a nympho for all I know however I did get the shy vibe initially.
My impression with her that night was more of the latter.I have seen her before so I believe 3 months could be right.
I prefer the non pushy girls. She was clearly giving me a subtle look today as if, "I am looking at her so surely I want her" LOL.
However I did not call her.
It is up to you to try to evaluate the chemistry, so none of us could second guess whether she might have been keen or not.
I got a feeling she would take me, without even even having sat together. LOL Of course getting a great GFE is another thing.
Susan seems to be a strange name. Never met a Thai calling herself Susan before. Still always can be a first especially if her English is very good.
What makes you think there isn't already all the moderation and post deleting the powers that be here are interested in enforcing and that they just don't happen to agree with you and other complainers that the BB / condom / no condom topic is boring and / or inappropriate for this thread?
Maybe they think it is quite useful, appropriate for the topics addressed in this thread and ultimately helpful to both the practitioners and customers of Bangkok's P4 P scene.Its obvious the moderation is weak since the forum rules forbid this topic in threads other than the prescribed thread. Perhaps you never read the Fourm rules or guidlines or whatever they are called here.
In particular it forbids posters to be chastising guys who are doing bareback and supposedly unsafe all but in the safe sex thread. In other words, your opponents are not permitted to start the argument here.
ActionSeeker
11-30-16, 20:57
I was recently in Bangkok for a quick stop over.
Baccara. I am a big fan of go-gos. Have to say, the line up at Baccara on a Saturday evening is exceptional. I am sure every place picks up that night but this was something else. Only place that could compare would be Whatsup at Walking Street. The costs for ST seem to be 3 k std. Does that vary basis day of the week / talent wise?
Eden Club. Read great reviews about the place and urge to try a threesome got me there. Line up seemed week for a Saturday evening. Girls were experienced and knew their trade. Basically you get to chose a girl and she closes a friend and off you go.
Susan seems to be a strange name. Never met a Thai calling herself Susan before. Still always can be a first especially if her English is very good.Yes, I never met a Thai girl calling herself Susan either and asked her to repeat it a couple more times in all the bar noise because it just didn't seem right. But it sure sounded like that every time. So I used it and called her by that name afterwards without her correcting me. I have met at least one Sue. Maybe the acceptance of that name has now evolved to Susan. LOL.
She zeroed in on me outside the bar where she and a few other girls hang out in their robes and pretty much insisted I go inside where she would join me. Which she did but our meeting inside was delayed by the sudden arrival of another girl in street clothes (this was about 8:45 pm) who I'd taken before and she was all over me at the moment.
It is also possible that her seeing the other girl with me and so physical about it was behind her somewhat cool attitude about being barfined by me, as if she would creating conflict if she did the same. No way to know. I just wasn't inspired to choose either one that night.
It is up to you to try to evaluate the chemistry, so none of us could second guess whether she might have been keen or not.If the gal is skilled at her job, then she will create an illusion of "chemistry. " If she is not, she won't.
Its obvious the moderation is weak since the forum rules forbid this topic in threads other than the prescribed thread. Perhaps you never read the Fourm rules or guidlines or whatever they are called here.
In particular it forbids posters to be chastising guys who are doing bareback and supposedly unsafe all but in the safe sex thread. In other words, your opponents are not permitted to start the argument here.Even though I might prefer your interpretation of the forum rules or whatever they are called, I have not yet found what you are referring to. Looking in the forum FAQ the only or primary purpose mentioned for moderation at all is to keep spam out and make the threads easier to read. Otherwise, it is clearly stated that posting "XYZ" (assuming that means whatever anyone wants to post. ?) is fine.
But maybe I just haven't located the other rules or guidelines you're referring to.
If the gal is skilled at her job, then she will create an illusion of "chemistry. " If she is not, she won't.I would agree with that. But being good at her job might also mean she won't lead a man she is repulsed by into pestering her for a take out / ST or get caught by a regular income provider of hers due in anytime crawling all over another customer or, worse, walking out with another customer the moment the regular customer is arriving as planned.
If the gal is skilled at her job, then she will create an illusion of "chemistry. " If she is not, she won't.That is a big if. A lot of us have years of experience and do detect when girl does not seem straight forward or natural. Poor acting is noticed. Any girl acting at all too wildly over the top certainly gets eliminated by me. I also like to watch girls in their interactions with other girls to see if they act sweet, bitchy, arrogant, snickering etc.
I don't find myself fooled by fake chemistry that often these days. Less mistakes are made by being very slow to decide to pull the trigger. I talk bargirls of course where can take time to decide.
Chemistry is no guarantee the girl will like your dick however or even like fucking a lot.
Not many bargirl mistakes this year. In contrast not many succeses with freelancers on the street or in Thermae. Those seem to often girls not expecting to have to give proper GFE, and they are not normally into spending significant time on a prospective customer before the decision is made.
As for MP girls, really only found one this year up to my standard of looks and GFE. Its much easier for me to sit in bar and survey girls for a long period before selectly a likely hottie, if don't know them already. Just too much looks and attitude oriented. Both need to satisfy me before trying. I fib. Stunning looks only can cause me to pull the trigger quickly. Rush of blood. However that is rare.
I am actually very anti social. I like to watch girls for a period before deciding to talk to them. This is why a bar suits me well. Just ignore girls approaching me. Cant be bothered to talk to everyone. Only those I know or want to know.
However it gets ridiculous now with lady drinks at 200 baht in some bars. Not sure if lady makes half or not. Bars have got too pricey, probably caused by customers that sit on a drink for a very long time and buy no girl drinks. Bar girls have got too pricey as well. Amazing that the crap ones can be asking for 3000 as well in some bars. I have not taken any bargirls recently and last one was a girl known for years. So choose carefully. It is good to have a girl keeping me out of the bars mostly.
Even though I might prefer your interpretation of the forum rules or whatever they are called, I have not yet found what you are referring to. Looking in the forum FAQ the only or primary purpose mentioned for moderation at all is to keep spam out and make the threads easier to read. Otherwise, it is clearly stated that posting "XYZ" (assuming that means whatever anyone wants to post. ?) is fine.
But maybe I just haven't located the other rules or guidelines you're referring to.http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/custompages.php?pageid=ForumRules#postingguidelines.
"NO Safe Sex Complaints.
No Safe Sex Complaints Forum Members wishing to criticize other Members for not following what they consider to be safe sex procedures may do so only in the Safe Sex Thread. Members may not comment upon, criticize or confront other members on this subject in the general discussion threads. Any such "safe sex complaints" posted in the general discussion threads will be deleted without comment. However.
No Safe Sex Bragging Members may not repeatedly post about or otherwise taunt other Members regarding their refusal to follow safe sex procedures. Specifically, references to having sex without a condom may be made only by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report. Such "safe sex taunting" reports will be deleted without comment. ".
Clearly you are in breach of the forum rules and also extremely boring for other members so kindly desist.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/custompages.php?pageid=ForumRules#postingguidelines.
"NO Safe Sex Complaints.
No Safe Sex Complaints Forum Members wishing to criticize other Members for not following what they consider to be safe sex procedures may do so only in the Safe Sex Thread. Members may not comment upon, criticize or confront other members on this subject in the general discussion threads. Any such "safe sex complaints" posted in the general discussion threads will be deleted without comment. However.
No Safe Sex Bragging Members may not repeatedly post about or otherwise taunt other Members regarding their refusal to follow safe sex procedures. Specifically, references to having sex without a condom may be made only by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report. Such "safe sex taunting" reports will be deleted without comment. ".
Clearly you are in breach of the forum rules and also extremely boring for other members so kindly desist.LOL. Thanks for the link.
And nice try at misdirection, *****man. But I have never made a post here or anywhere else that would fit those "What is not good" Guidelines for this site. However, the poster who wrote this on 11/21/2016 was obviously doing so:
Boasting about unprotected sex is inevitably going to lead to a reaction so why are guys coming on here doing that? If they want to go bareback, do it but why try and convert others? It seems that some people's psychiatric issues are being played out on this forum at the moment.
That is a big if. A lot of us have years of experience and do detect when girl does not seem straight forward or natural. Poor acting is noticed. Any girl acting at all too wildly over the top certainly gets eliminated by me. I also like to watch girls in their interactions with other girls to see if they act sweet, bitchy, arrogant, snickering etc.
I don't find myself fooled by fake chemistry that often these days. Less mistakes are made by being very slow to decide to pull the trigger. I talk bargirls of course where can take time to decideThat's kind of my point. With a good actress, you will never know. Many are great actresses. It is an essential skill to succeed in their job. They are in the P4 P industry. They are mostly in their 20's. To think they would be honestly attracted to those of us in our 50's and 60's is really kind of delusional, don't you think? They are attracted to dudes closer to their age. No doubt about that. We are their meal tickets. The greater the illusion they create, the greater the potential payday and the better chance of a repeat. It's all business. I accept that and have no problem with that. As long as they are delivering the service it makes no difference. Because in the end we are paying them to perform a service for us. Not unlike any other service we buy. When we lose site of that we suffer and the scene suffers.
I would agree with that. But being good at her job might also mean she won't lead a man she is repulsed by into pestering her for a take out / ST or get caught by a regular income provider of hers due in anytime crawling all over another customer or, worse, walking out with another customer the moment the regular customer is arriving as planned.Agreed. Many of the gals are far more savvy than we give them credit for.
However it gets ridiculous now with lady drinks at 200 baht in some bars. Not sure if lady makes half or not. Bars have got too pricey, probably caused by customers that sit on a drink for a very long time and buy no girl drinks.Well, if their idea of a fix for customers nursing expensive drinks in order to make them last longer is to make the drinks even more expensive, I don't see the bars coming out ahead on that plan. Hell, they're even losing you and you have never been a cheap charlie when it comes to buying drinks for yourself and spreading the Lady Drink wealth around before.
LOL. Thanks for the link.
And nice try at misdirection, *****man. But I have never made a post here or anywhere else that would fit those "What is not good" Guidelines for this site. However, the poster who wrote this on 11/21/2016 was obviously doing so:"Specifically, references to having sex without a condom may be made only by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report. ".
Just end it and move on.
"Specifically, references to having sex without a condom may be made only by incidental reference and shall not be the focus of any report. ".
Just end it and move on.Link a "report" from me where references to my having sex without a condom was the focus of it and I will end it and move on.
Show me a "report" from me where references to my having sex without a condom was the focus of it and I will move on.It doesn't have to focus on YOUR having sex without a condom. You've posted a load of tedious nonsense where the focus was sex without a condom. I don't want to bore myself to death by wading through it again. Nobody is interested and you're clearly breaching the forum rules. Move on.
It doesn't have to focus on YOUR having sex without a condom. You've posted a load of tedious nonsense where the focus was sex without a condom. I don't want to bore myself to death by wading through it again. Nobody is interested and you're clearly breaching the forum rules. Move on.So you can't do it. Fair enough.
If the gal is skilled at her job, then she will create an illusion of "chemistry. " If she is not, she won't.Not all girls are repulsed by fucking older guys. They get used to it and they appreciate guys that are not too self centred in their approach to sex, potentially having some skills. I guess they have limits to what appearance they can accept. However many girls seem to evaluate guys a lot more by their personality than by their age and muscles.
Girls are not keen on all customers. The good girls can choose their preferred customers by being in high demand, if they are in a bar. In contrast, in Mango MP, the girl Cat explained she did not really like more than 50% of her regulars, but she had no ability to choose. She said too many customers were freaky, psycho, demanding, etc. Tough job for her. She left not long after.
Chemistry by the way, in this context, merely means being sufficiently compatible with the customer not to be repulsed by him, and to be able to deliver a GFE.
Some girls really have a desire to please the man and do a good job of providing.
Also I am amazed by the number of hookers that can get their rocks off as well. There are times when it is probably faked but there are also honest girls out there not faking.
I have particularly noticed how ready for a good fuck are working girls just returning from holidays that did not have a fuck for a while. They become far more sensitive and responsive than usual.
Sure its clear that girls that fuck far too often are not likely to be into it that much. Just becomes a chore to be performed.
Some well trained girls can deliver great service and great kissing to almost any customer. Chemistry is not a factor for these girls. However other girls can perform vastly differently depending on compatibility with the customer. Perhaps Compatibility is a better term than Chemistry in reality.
A girl that talks in a way to put me off my mood, is making bad "chemistry" for me or is simply incompatible. Being sweet but natural works for me.
One girl moaned very loudly during sex. I could not decide in the end if was real or an act, or perhaps semi real exaggerated. It did not put me off though. Part of the GFE. She managed to give the impression of liking the sex and being orgasmic. She always stated she liked sex but did not get it that often having to mostly concentrate on her studies. Was hard to find evidemce of being fake. So I would say she makes good chemistry because we are sufficiently compatible. She does say she does not take too well to arrogant guys and runs away from them. She seems to like to be serviced well. Her BBBJ is weak in skill sense.
When a much younger girl wants to fuck regularly for free, then you get the ultimate proof that desire to fuck a guy is not always about how young he is. The girl also wants to be serviced well in this case. Plenty of cases are seen of Thai girls wanting a man 20 years older.
Us guys are clearly more age focussed. I have never fucked a girl over 50. I have done one in mid 40's that I have fucked for 20 years. However she was starting to get somewhat unattractive to me, as her face had deteriorated becoming blotchy for skin colouring, and I am very looks oriented. Body was still okay But not top class. Maybe I won't do her any more. I have better younger girl options.
We all take the best options. Older guys are the best options for working girls a lot of the time. I nearly took an 18 YO newbie girl last night. I expect her skills are crap with no experience or training, but she was at least very attractive. I am yet to find out what things she can do without being repulsed. My evaluation of her was she was hesitant and not completely relaxed, being first day in a bar. However she was not too fearful or miserable or repulsed. She was very thankful I could speak Thai. Possibility for the future. As yet I cannot predict her likely room performance. If she can be enthusiastic I will be happy even if no skills at all.
Franciscass
12-01-16, 09:14
If the gal is skilled at her job, then she will create an illusion of "chemistry. " If she is not, she won't.One of the more important tools in the skill set of the successful experienced professional is creating the illusion that there is a "chemistry" with the john, that what she is experiencing with him is somehow different more intense more satisfying that with other customers. This results in repeat business and higher paydays. Yes sure she enjoys some sessions more than others but genuine affection and ground moving orgasms, not really, with very few exceptions its just another day at the office.
Baccara gogo bar in Soi Cowboy report.
Went at about 9 pm. Girls outside were average at best. Inside was a completely different matter.
A friend and me got a table, ordered some beers and had a look around. 95% of the patrons were Asians (Japanese from the look of wonder plastered on their faces and the childish enthusiasm). 50+ girls, some of them solid 8's. Not much attention towards us.
Out of curiosity, we ordered a bottle of champagne and hey presto. New stars in the house. All the girls started smiling and staring. Pathetic of us, but why not. Just a cheap thrill.
Invited 2 girls over. Mine was an obvious *that looked good and knew it. Fake tits, killer figure and arrogant. Just the way I like them The other one was a nice, friendly girl with a great body.
Bought them 3 or so lady drinks each, and asked about takeaway. 1 k barfine, 3 k short, 6 longtime (which is 3 hours).
At this point I invited another girl over, and she was much nicer. Shy at first but opened up as we fucked around in broken English. Obvious mutual attraction but I had already promised to take the other girl.
Agreed to 2 longs, paid them and went (hotel just around the corner). Interesting thing. They waived the bar fine for us for some reason, which was nice.
They told us that they rarely go with non-Asians for a number of reasons: dick size (I'm 7+ and she went into shock when she saw it). Also Asians lavish them with money and gifts. She claimed she makes as much as 250 k a month in Baccara. Said the only reason they came was because we were nice.
Fucked straight away, and here came the first surprise: girl claimed short and long are just 1 shot (because guests usually take them for dinner first etc). Asked for 3 k more for a second shot. I almost refused out of principle, but balls were in charge at that point. Perhaps it was because of the size. No kissing / BBBJ. But I knew there wasn't going to be anything with her so that's fine and didn't try. The girl with my friend let him take his second shot without any bullshit, but then she was nice Did ask for a 1 k tip though for the taxi.
In all, large selection of spoiled and generally attractive girls that will probably try to fuck you over. Recommended if you're into that like me.
Will try a gentleman's club tonight.
Not all girls are repulsed by fucking older guys. They get used to it and they appreciate guys that are not too self centred in their approach to sex, potentially having some skills. I guess they have limits to what appearance they can accept. However many girls seem to evaluate guys a lot more by their personality than by their age and muscles.
Sure its clear that girls that fuck far too often are not likely to be into it that much. Just becomes a chore to be performed.
Some well trained girls can deliver great service and great kissing to almost any customer. Chemistry is not a factor for these girls. However other girls can perform vastly differently depending on compatibility with the customer. Perhaps Compatibility is a better term than Chemistry in reality.
A girl that talks in a way to put me off my mood, is making bad "chemistry" for me or is simply incompatible. Being sweet but natural works for me...I agree with you. I find personality a huge factor in my attraction to a girl. She might have a banging body, but a bad attitude turns me off completely. I fall in love at least five times a day in Thailand so there is no point in forcing it with a girl who won't respond. Those feelings always makes the sex better. I've never had a starfish and that might be the reason why. If we aren't clicking, I politely move on.
ClitLover2012
12-01-16, 10:53
Hi Friends. I am visiting Bkk from 9-12 December and have some indication on places like Spasso, Mixx etc, are the really upmarket clubs such as CeLaVi good places to pick up seriously hot women? From previous visits, I know the usual suspects but was looking for guidance on really upmarket Thai / International talent. Available in Bkk. Any PMs will be greatly helpful. Promise to return the favor in Dubai.
Making my second trip to BKK next month (been to Patts many times). I was reading about an area called Queen's Plaza on Soi 22. It is reported to be similar to Action Street in Pattaya? Is it a venue worth visiting for an evening?
Member #4591
12-01-16, 15:40
Making my second trip to BKK next month (been to Patts many times). I was reading about an area called Queen's Plaza on Soi 22. It is reported to be similar to Action Street in Pattaya? Is it a venue worth visiting for an evening?The main bar is on the main road but there are 2 small allies on either side of this bar where there a few smaller outside bars. Most of the cart bars that were vacated from Sukhumvit road have been relocated there. The girls are heavy LD beggars but you will be able to find a few gems in there. Watch out for padded bills. The bar fine is 500 baht and lady drinks are 170. Mostly populated with Isaan girls but most are 18-20 years old. It's worth a look for sure.
Member #4591
12-01-16, 15:42
Hi Friends. I am visiting Bkk from 9-12 December and have some indication on places like Spasso, Mixx etc, are the really upmarket clubs such as CeLaVi good places to pick up seriously hot women? From previous visits, I know the usual suspects but was looking for guidance on really upmarket Thai / International talent. Available in Bkk. Any PMs will be greatly helpful. Promise to return the favor in Dubai.The best place for upmarket talent these days would be the G clubs. Check out the Pimp and Kush.
Member #4591
12-01-16, 15:46
Baccara gogo bar in Soi Cowboy report.
Went at about 9 pm. Girls outside were average at best. Inside was a completely different matter.
A friend and me got a table, ordered some beers and had a look around. 95% of the patrons were Asians (Japanese from the look of wonder plastered on their faces and the childish enthusiasm). 50+ girls, some of them solid 8's. Not much attention towards us.
Out of curiosity, we ordered a bottle of champagne and hey presto. New stars in the house. All the girls started smiling and staring. Pathetic of us, but why not. Just a cheap thrill.
Invited 2 girls over. Mine was an obvious *that looked good and knew it. Fake tits, killer figure and arrogant. Just the way I like them The other one was a nice, friendly girl with a great body.
Bought them 3 or so lady drinks each, and asked about takeaway. 1 k barfine, 3 k short, 6 longtime (which is 3 hours).
At this point I invited another girl over, and she was much nicer. Shy at first but opened up as we fucked around in broken English. Obvious mutual attraction but I had already promised to take the other girl.
Agreed to 2 longs, paid them and went (hotel just around the corner). Interesting thing. They waived the bar fine for us for some reason, which was nice.
They told us that they rarely go with non-Asians for a number of reasons: dick size (I'm 7+ and she went into shock when she saw it). Also Asians lavish them with money and gifts. She claimed she makes as much as 250 k a month in Baccara. Said the only reason they came was because we were nice.
Fucked straight away, and here came the first surprise: girl claimed short and long are just 1 shot (because guests usually take them for dinner first etc). Asked for 3 k more for a second shot. I almost refused out of principle, but balls were in charge at that point. Perhaps it was because of the size. No kissing / BBBJ. But I knew there wasn't going to be anything with her so that's fine and didn't try. The girl with my friend let him take his second shot without any bullshit, but then she was nice Did ask for a 1 k tip though for the taxi.
In all, large selection of spoiled and generally attractive girls that will probably try to fuck you over. Recommended if you're into that like me.
Will try a gentleman's club tonight.Next time I suggest you skip Baccara and go right to a G club. You were taken for ride big time. For that money you would of had a great time at a G club and much better ladies. The standard all cross the board bar fine a Baccara is 700 Baht and LT gets you as many shots as the girl lets, however the standard is one shot at night and one in the morning before she goes. So you actually paid 5,300 each for long time and 700 bar fine each for a total of 6000. For that price wait till you see what you can get for 6000 at a G club. Budget 10,000 each. 6,000 LT for the ladies after the club closes and 4,000 each for the ladies time and bottle service inside. Should get you 2 bottles to share with the ladies and pay for their time with you at your table.
AssLover945
12-01-16, 16:04
I was getting bored of my normal oilies so I thought why not get to try something new.
I found that they had moved to their new location in soi 6.
I knew they specialized in Genital massage, so I chose a package which gave Genital massage, Blowjob and sex.
I chose a girl, and we went upstairs. First sign of danger. No smile, 2nd sign. She asked me to take shower myself and come to bed, 3rd sign. Besides choosing a package which said that the girl would be naked, she was still wearing her panties and bra, 4th sign. As soon as I came back from the bathroom after shower, she told me to lie face-down and she started giving me a oily massage which I could have got in sukhumvit for 400-500 bahts.
I was like Girl. I had paid 2500 in advance not for this shit. For half an hour I could not see her, I still played along with the hope that the goodies are coming soon. At 45 minutes I could not take it anymore and I asked her when is she getting naked, and I wanted the blowjob and sex. She seemed a bit miffed at that, but she had to give in, she asked me to turn around and then she started a lame duck Genital massage, I have had Genital massage from a very experienced lady in soi 22, so I know what that means. Then I had to tell her to open her bra and she did, then I wanted to play (touch and jiggle as I always do) a bit with her ass, but she was reluctant to give that also. In the end at 1 HR 15 minutes, She saw my junior wake up and I thought the blowjob was coming, but instead a condom came out, I instantly lost my erection, as that was a surprise for me. Anyway I somehow let her finish it with her mouth and I did not have the motivation to fuck her. I came out and left, with the girl giving me a tea and a bye bye wai.
On the way out I saw a guy being asked to pay 1000 bahts extra, for getting the girl naked. LOL.
My Opinion: Total Scam.
Rooms were new and clean though.
One of the more important tools in the skill set of the successful experienced professional is creating the illusion that there is a "chemistry" with the john, that what she is experiencing with him is somehow different more intense more satisfying that with other customers. This results in repeat business and higher paydays. Yes sure she enjoys some sessions more than others but genuine affection and ground moving orgasms, not really, with very few exceptions its just another day at the office.Well stated. I could not agree more. It's their job; I don't ever forget that. And I expect them to do it well. That is what I am paying them for.
I was getting bored of my normal oilies so I thought why not get to try something new.
I found that they had moved to their new location in soi 6.
I knew they specialized in Genital massage, so I chose a package which gave Genital massage, Blowjob and sex.
I chose a girl, and we went upstairs. First sign of danger. No smile, 2nd sign. She asked me to take shower myself and come to bed, 3rd sign. Besides choosing a package which said that the girl would be naked, she was still wearing her panties and bra, 4th sign. As soon as I came back from the bathroom after shower, she told me to lie face-down and she started giving me a oily massage which I could have got in sukhumvit for 400-500 bahts.
I was like Girl..In my experience Analisa (and Paradise, the old Analisa on a Soi in Sukhumvit 22) are only worth getting the cheaper packages without full service. First off, I've been in an asked for full service a couple of times but every time there's only been one lady who offers FS available, and never any good looking ones. However, their cheaper packages (can't remember exactly but about 800-1000 baht) for balls and / or prostate massage are definitely worth the money in my opinion. The downside is that they keep their clothes on (but at least one of the ladies let me finger her pussy while she was massaging me, and damn was she wet!
Well stated. I could not agree more. It's their job; I don't ever forget that. And I expect them to do it well. That is what I am paying them for.You would be better off with a robot that could be exactly the same regardless of the customer.
Member #4698
12-01-16, 19:47
You would be better off with a robot that could be exactly the same regardless of the customer.Have you been watching Westworld on HBO? There are some very sexy android bar girls in this sci-fi resort who will do anything with a smile to make their customer's happy. "Up to you, sir." Trouble is brewing, however, as the sexy androids are becoming self aware. Perhaps an analogy to the introduction of cell phones and social media in LOS a few years back. 555. Anyway, I found it to be a slow moving series until the 5th or 6th episode when the Anthony Hopkins character finally reveals his darker mad scientist true nature. I now think its pretty good. The season finale airs this Sunday.
Have you been watching Westworld on HBO? There are some very sexy android bar girls in this sci-fi resort who will do anything with a smile to make their customer's happy. "Up to you, sir." Trouble is brewing, however, as the sexy androids are becoming self aware. Perhaps an analogy to the introduction of cell phones and social media in LOS a few years back. 555. Anyway, I found it to be a slow moving series until the 5th or 6th episode when the Anthony Hopkins character finally reveals his darker mad scientist true nature. I now think its pretty good. The season finale airs this Sunday.If it is as sexy as Game of Thrones, I will be up for it. LOL.
Sorry so little for field reports. Got stuck on one girl super provider for a while. Older experienced and best on the bed. She says I can fuck around with other girls, provided I promise to use condoms. LOL. However I know most of the other pretty girls will fail to measure up to her standard on the bed. So not desperate for variety right now. Can even stay in her high standard apartment so pay her rent as my accommodation cost.
I guess the girls in a shop like Snow White are trained to be like Robots so that service can be good no matter how nice or how big an ass hole the customer is. They are impervious to everything.
However most girls I interact with, will vary their service level greatly depending on how much the customer is liked. One bar girl I found to be extremely lovey dovey, but I doubt she can turn this on for every guy regardless. This is why we refer to YMMV or chemistry or compatibility. Most of my girls are very keen to see me ASAP. Good money and a nice customer. Maybe even get their rocks off when in the mood.
You would be better off with a robot that could be exactly the same regardless of the customer.I do expect a certain level of service and enthusiasm from every provider. That is why I engage in P4 P. If I wanted romance I would be dating scads of gals. That holds no interest for me. I hold P4 P gals to the same standard that I would hold anyone I am buying a service from. Dr, dentist, lawyer, P4 P provider, or auto mechanic; I expect them all to do their job well. After all I am the customer and I am paying.
I guess the girls in a shop like Snow White are trained to be like Robots so that service can be good no matter how nice or how big an ass hole the customer is. They are impervious to everything.As long as the customer is not abusive, then that is exactly how they should be. And we should settle for nothing less as customers. I love hearing my buddy's tales of some of the shops in Hong Kong. The locals will give the mamasan an earful if the gals don't perform. Also they would not dare employ a gal with bad baby damage. The locals would not stand for it. Truth be told the local Thai guys tend to have much higher standards than we do when it comes to looks, and good on 'em.
I was getting bored of my normal oilies so I thought why not get to try something new.
I found that they had moved to their new location in soi 6.
I knew they specialized in Genital massage, so I chose a package which gave Genital massage, Blowjob and sex.Thank you for your report. I have always wondered about Analisa and would have give it a go soon. But will most likely pass after your report.
Hope I am able to give you an favor back another day.
Eszpresszo
12-02-16, 08:59
Okay guys, I finally made it to BKK after postponing my trip twice this year. Hotel has PCs in the lobby so I have no excuse for not making a report on the ground. Some of this info may not be new to most but I hope to help those who are less familiar. Booked my first night at Ruamchitt Plaza but now on Suk soi 11. Ruamchitt Plaza was a great value and I will be back, but I was following Agoda deals and of course am sampling different hotels.
Despite at long flight of 26 hours, I decided to trudge around. Visited the Biergarten around 5 pm and ran of gauntlet of girls. Place was almost full at that hour and very few males at first glance. After my vision corrected over a beer, I did notice what someone had told me, "the girls here are a bit past their expiration date". I did see a very cute and nice girl who gave me a encouraging glance but she was talking to another farang next to me. That guy said he thought the going rate was around 1200. This was my first stop and I was not ready to partake yet. At dusk I swam in the rooftop pool in an effort to get some relief my aching back and neck. Obviously I needed a massage and I was in the right place. Went across the street and there were numerous options but I chose the one that didn't solicit me so aggressively as the rest. I needed a real Thai massage. And I got it for 300 baht from a very nice girl. Not cute but no homely. Walked up my back on her knees and elbows and did things I did not ever imagine came with a Thai massage. Relief! Now for the hunt and a different kind of relief.
It was still early but I knew I would get tired soon, having slept very little on the long flight. I went to Soi 4 and already saw some cute FLs by the Nana Hotel sign. Went to Nana Plaza and was underwhelmed. I ventured through the "Ladyboy Walk of Death" twice and came out unscathed. I was enticed into Angelwitch because that black lingerie was awesome on the girls. They had almost all the girls dancing at one point, and they looked hot overall but their dancing was uninspired and unexciting. I drank my one beer and left. Again, I was underwhelmed. Walked up and down Suk soi 11 looking for freelance girls. Saw a really cute young one with a tiny, young chick who was not so cute. The cute one spoke good English but basically told me her friend was what was for sale and said "I take care of her". A female pimp. The little one was thin and no curves. Despite her youth, she already had her back tattooed (she had an open back dress on. "One thousand" I said and they looked at each other and laughed. "two thousand" said the lady pimp. She was polite but firm. But the girl was not up to the price. We parted amicably and they did not take too much offense. Walked down to the Robinsons, and saw some freelancers but they were on the grungy side. Went back to Ruamchitt and saw some FL girls out front, but Thermae was open. It was not yet 10 but when I went inside the place was full. Girls were wall to wall and some were sitting down. Maybe a dozen guys, and only a few farang among them. This should have been a buyer's market. But no, these little snoots would not make eye contact for the most part. Generally very young looking, well dressed and pretty, but aloof. WTF? The few that did were ready to talk and negotiate and they were young looking. When I told them I had a room above they seem pleased and I got the impression they factored that into the price. Still they wanted 2500 for an hour. I politely declined and they did not want to negotiate. Grabbed a beer and saw a more mature but well groomed lady at the bar beckon me to the stool next to her. She was not in the same league as the rest, but I liked her sophisticated hair and clothing style She spoke decent English. As we talked I overheard two Japanese guys hitting on the cute on the other side. How much 2 hours" they asked. She answered "six thousand". So it this what these girls are after? In any case, the Japanese were not buying that. Nobody was walking out with a girl. The gal I was chatting with (I already forgot her name) admitted to me that Japanese overpay, with a grin. I pitched 1500 to her and she came back with 2000. I stood my ground and she said 1500 plus 100 for a taxi home. She was ready to go, so we headed to the stairs to the lobby at the back of the bar and I swear everybody was looking at us. Some of the girls looked at us as if I had just proposed to her and given her an diamond engagement ring. At what point do they not figure out that it could have been them if they could just engage the customer? Once upstairs in the lobby the guy at desk just let us go up when I showed him my key. My date said they usually ask for IDs from the girls but he knew her quite well.
Upstairs in my room she asked for payment up front. I told her no, that this was Thailand and we don't do that here. She seemed a bit disappointed and explained some things had gone bad when she was not paid upfront. I assured her she would be paid and I would be a great customer. She went to shower and did she take a long one! Then I heard her brushing her teeth furiously before finally walking out with her bar on. She asked me to shower too and I complied though I had just taken a shower earlier. I brushed my teeth, gargled with mouthwash and perfumed my body accordingly. She let me kiss her throughout the session now that she had brushed her teeth though she had declined earlier before her shower. I appreciated her hygienic practice. We hit the bed and she asked if I had a condom ready, which I produced with a packet of lube. I told her I needed a suck first. She did okay with the BBBJ and I noticed her back was covered in tattoos. This was no casual freelancer! She knew what she was doing. I went down to DATY and then we fucked in four different positions but could not come. I asked her to suck me off and she complied with a BBBJ. I don't know where my load went when I popped but I don't think it was in her mouth. She was already in the shower again before I could reach for the wet wipes. I freaked out for a minute because I forgot where I hid the money I stashed for the trick. I wondered if she had lifted it when I was in the show. Then I found it (the rest of my cash was in the safe downstairs) and noticed I had 2000 in larger bills, but not change to make 1600 total. Meanwhile she dressed quickly and touched up on her makeup. To her astonishment I gave her the 2000 and I thought she was going to cry. She game me a deep wai and thanked me. I told her she could go and she also seemed grateful for that and was gone in flash. I think she had put in over an hour of sex, she took direction very well and did whatever I asked her. In return I was gentle and respectful and made sure I paid her fairly. I nodded off and woke up around 2:00 AM.
I was thirsty and wanted a beer so I headed out. The steps of the hotel were packed with girls and potential customers. Apparently lots of ladyboys too. One striking "lady" grabbed me and gave me the hard sell. This one had it right. She even had the right voice for a girl but her shoulders were wider than her thighs and her fingers were the wrong proportions. I said "but I just popped", maam. I strolled down towards Nana and at Soi 5 a woman was selling beer from an ice chest in the shadows. This was after the stores had quit selling beer. She gave me a big bottle of Chang for 100 bah and made change from a 1000 bill with nary a second glance. An African girl pounced on me and asked me to buy her one too. She was actually very cute and on the smaller side. I had to pass but to be honest if she had hit me earlier I would likely taken her to the room. I don't like black women much so for me to say that is significant. I drank my beer as I walked, strolled up to the Grace and saw many FLs up that Soi. I did notice they had more curves than the average Thai girl. Strolled back down to Soi 4 and though things were shutting down it appeared, I saw more girls than ever on the street. I walked back to the hotel and saw many more girls on the way. The crowd had cleared from the hotel steps but there was still a good selection of girly-girls.
My conclusion: closing time is a buyer's market. But that was my first night in Thailand, so I am sure to learn more in the next 9 days.
Note: sorry for typos and bad punctuation. This PC in the hotel lobby in the Smart Suites ain't working for me. I'm working for it!
I do expect a certain level of service and enthusiasm from every provider. That is why I engage in P4 P. If I wanted romance I would be dating scads of gals. That holds no interest for me. I hold P4 P gals to the same standard that I would hold anyone I am buying a service from. Dr, dentist, lawyer, P4 P provider, or auto mechanic; I expect them all to do their job well. After all I am the customer and I am paying.I agree that romance is greatly over rated and brings few benefits, certainly does not seem to bring a great sex life.
I am a sex addict and so I need a lot of sex, and preferably of a good quality, and preferably from girls with well above average face and body looks. The looks seem to enhance my excitement greatly and make it easier to cum. From a single girlfriend, it is very hard to get sex consistently frequently for many years even if quality is good. Hence forced into P4 P or Giks.
I also much prefer sex if the girl happens to be really into it, or can give the impression of being really into it. Currently have a girl that claims to want very regular good sex, but we are not in love with each other, at least not too much. Just enjoying each others mutual service. Not bored just yet.
One would think looking at naked beautiful girls would get boring, but it seems I am slightly addicted to that as well. I can go into a nudie bar and be quite bored until I spot a girl really worth looking at, however if I go into a bar with a stunning dressed Coyote, I will be wishing she was nude soon enough. So still difficult for me to stay away from nudie venues for long periods of time. If the bar is full of average to ugly girls, I then have little care how over dressed they are.
Strangely I can appreciate the body of a stunning naked girl without thinking about fucking her.
So my handicap must be to wish to feel some empathy with a girl first before thinking about fucking her. A totally mechanical session is probably going to leave me less than satisfied. I rarely repeat girls that just go through the mechanical procedures with no apparent interest to actually have fun. My psycholgical problem.
I don't like real massage, but massage using tits, bum, mouth, and pussy really suits me. No hands no feet massage. I certainly don't go to an MP for a Massage. I don't even go to a BJ shop for a BJ. I must be really weird. LOL
Overseas I recently encountered a Filipina who was very non professional, for a hooker. She was a part time newbie and also a student. She was more interested to have a good time than the exact amount of money she made. She wanted to interview the prospective guys, to see if there was some chemistry, before agreeing to the sex session. She was an extreme contrast to the other hookers, seeming very amateur. She wanted to be serviced well and orgasmed several times. She like DATY, with two fingers in the pussy and another in her ass. This was quite unusual for the venue. She did not seem to care the clock had gone overtime. She was a hell of a lot of fun. I must be more into fun and games than just mechanical procedures. I like girls that are a bit different to all the rest. Her services have improved over time to be quite a reasonable BBBJ these days, but BJ was maybe average the first time.
Often the girl's attitude means more to me than her exact skill levels. If I can get looks, attitude and skills, of course that is the ultimate. Sometimes a girl has just the perfect fit pussy that feels so good, that I cum much easier than usual. This can work for me too, even her BJ might be average.
My girl criteria in order of importance must be:
* Face
* Body
* Cooperation and ability to go with the flow
* Seemingly natural rather than fake
* Pussy fit and feel
* Attitude and fun level
* GFE and DFK
* Special skills like BJ, DT, cowgirl movement, ball licking, etc.
Not many I need and I could survive without any of the skills, if necessary.
This is in complete contrast to those that put skills at top of the criteria.
I think there are other guys out there that don't really have a handle on what their evaluation of a girl is really about and seem to choose girls inexplicably at times, or let the girl choose them.
My girl criteria in order of importance must be:
* Face
* Body
* Cooperation and ability to go with the flow
* Seemingly natural rather than fake
* Pussy fit and feel
* Attitude and fun level
* GFE and DFK
* Special skills like BJ, DT, cowgirl movement, ball licking, etc.
Not many I need and I could survive without any of the skills, if necessary.
This is in complete contrast to those that put skills at top of the criteria.
I think there are other guys out there that don't really have a handle on what their evaluation of a girl is really about and seem to choose girls inexplicably at times, or let the girl choose them.My order.
1. attitude.
2. tits.
3. body.
4. face.
5. pussy fit and feel.
6. GFE.
7. special skills.
8. cost.
If she has a bad attitude, I'm not interested. Same goes for tits, LOL.
Everything else has a bit of leeway.
Okay guys, I finally made it to BKK after postponing my trip twice this year. Hotel has PCs in the lobby so I have no excuse for not making a report on the ground.
Thanks for the report! Keep them coming!
I don't know where my load went when I popped but I don't think it was in her mouth. She was already in the shower again before I could reach for the wet wipes. I freaked out for a minute because I forgot where I hid the money I stashed for the trick. I wondered if she had lifted it when I was in the show. Then I found it (the rest of my cash was in the safe downstairs) and noticed I had 2000 in larger bills, but not change to make 1600 total. What a super report Eszpresszo. Some fine writing, great detail. It really gives me a sense of what you experienced, and what kind of monger you are. I salute you sir, both for your style, but also because you just bit the bullet and paid her the 2 large. Good on you.
Eszpresszo
12-03-16, 03:44
Maybe my body clock still off as I stayed up to 3 AM watching obscure Led Zeppelin videos on youtube after my awesome ST with "girl of the year". It was barely 7 AM, but I could not sleep. But lets start from the beginning. I awoke late in the Ruamchitt Plaza in my windowless studio room. I wanted the windowless room because light tends to wake me up regardless of the amount of sleep. The windowless room did not disappoint. I slept over 10 hours and barely had time to get coffee down the road at Holly's before I checked out. I will be back though. Found a killer deal on Agoda for Sam's Lodge, behind Terminal 21 and close to Soi Cowboy. It got good reviews in other places and the room was going for the price of a hostel. When I got there the manager apologized and said the room was too small for me (I am 6'4") and said she would upgrade me to a nicer room at the Smart Suites on suk Soi 11. I take this to mean that they had overbooked but I couldn't complain. She gave the bellboy 100 baht and he hailed a taxi for us and brought me over her, and took care of the check-in. Its way at the far end of Soi 11, but again I am 6' 4" and most of it is legs. You better believe I can easily walk several blocks like nobody's business! Staff here at Smart Suites did not disappoint as many reviews had been extremely positive and very guest friendly.
I had been chatting on LINE with a single mom school teacher who lives down in Bang Na. She was one of many women I have met on ThaiFriendly, but I will refer to her as "GirlFriendly" from here own. We had an okay dinner date last night, and she said she could not stay over as she had to teach today and her son was staying with a friend. But said she wanted to stay over with me tonight. Whoopee! Not pretty, but not homely. Just pleasant and appears to have a decent rack judging by the way the bottoms were straining at bosom level of her blouse. Gave her 200 for taxi fare and she gave me a wai before departing -m I love this stuff! Later she sent me a photo of herself lying in bed in her pajamas.
Headed to Soi Cowboy and was a bit underwhelmed, as was the case with Nana Plaza the night before. I had the idea there was a BJ bar there and strolled up and down looking for it. By the 3rd pass, some of the girls out front were getting pissed at me passing them by, and one in front of After Skool shouted something at me that I am was not nice at all. I passed Jungle Jim and asked two Brits drinking beer on the patio, if there was a BJ on this Soi. One replied, "they are doing all kinds of nasty things in there, can't hurt to find out, why not go in?" Well, we know what free advice is worth and this was a casebook example. There was nothing going on inside, to tell the truth except two cute but bored looking girls dancing. I ordered a Change (120 baht) and was set upon by two women in "civilian clothes). Not dancers, not coyotes, so what do you call these girls? Bargirls? Because they got me to buy them each a lady drink (200 baht each) and it was worth it. The cuter one was conversational in English and pleasant to talk to. The other was mature, plump and homely but I didn't see her face much because she immediately started massaging my back. And she was good at it! I didn't ask for it but I actually did want to be massaged while sitting at a bar and drinking a beer. The conversationalist began massaging my thighs and I frankly paid no attention to the dancers. I inquired if additional services were available and really wanted the "conservationist" to take me back and blow me. She said I had to ask the girls what their price was. I said "you mean I am talking to the wrong girl" and she said "sorry but I cannot go with you. " Out of pure curiosity, I asked if the "masseuse" could. She asked her colleague in Thai and the answer she came with was 2000 for short time. WTF? She gave a mean massage but I could not have sex with that woman if it was only 50 baht. At the end of the bar some drunk asshole was singing along to a music video of some 80's pop song and I realized how I was starting to hate the farang, so I could only imagine how much the Thais could loath us. Note to self: learn to converse in Thai. I paid the bill. Everything added up correctly and tipped the girls 100 each for their time and received a gracious wai in response. I just blew $20 USD and drink one beer. But it served as a great reference point for value. I was kind of annoyed at the dude who suggested I go in, though I imagine he meant well. But, that incident influenced the chain of events in a good way.
In summary, I didn't find a BJ bar, so I went walking back down Suk to check out the freelancers. There was a horde of them at this time (Midnight?) out front of the Westin. One of them made eye contact and stepped forward and greeted me. She was curvy. Perhaps plump compared to the skinny Thai girls but in my eyes built like a nice, fleshy Latina girl. She introduced herself as Tuk-tuk (like the vehicle) and her attire was "total ho" with low cut top revealing a pair of plump tits. She looked familiar and then she reminded me that I had passed her earlier and she had said Hi, but I had ignored her. While not pretty, her English was good and she looked very eager. How much for short time? She responded "how much you want to pay?" I said 1000 and she enthusiastically accepted the deal, even though I had told her I was staying at the Smart Suites. Despite wearing these high heels, she didn't ask for a cab. Instead she showed me a shortcut back through through an passage lined with massage parlors. Despite her short stature she kept up with me and navigated the puddles in her open toe heels. Made good time back here to the Smart Suites and already had her ID in hand when we walked in and checked herself in with the desk clerk in the bat of an eye.
Once in the room, she did not pester me for repayment like the girl I snagged from Thermae and despite her "total ho" attire there were no tattoos or "baby damage" on her. Short story long, she gave me a GFE and a great time from that 1000 baht. She tongue kissed without hesitation and enjoyed it when I went down to DATY. Tasty girl! Did a good BBBJ and let me boom-boom when I was ready and no hurry. But the real surprise treat was that Ms. Tuk tuk had a tight little snatch, and it felt good even with the condom. That tight twat was worth the price if entry. Pun intended. No she wasn't beautiful, but she was a great provider. I have mongered on three continents in the past year and she was possibly the best experience. Next to Anita in Berlin, who was a bit more of a technician. I asked if I could get her number and she was actually delighted at the request. We connected on LINE before we left. I gave her 100 for taxi fare because she was so good at trotting all that way.
In summary, a great value experience. So we can burn through money quickly at the go-gos or we can find great sex on the streets for $30 USD. Yes, it is hit or miss. I realize that some mongers do like the gogos and that is their business. We all have our preferences. But it seems to me the street is where the real action begins. No more gogos or Thermae for me. But I still have to check out the massage parlors for the full service experience.
Thanks for reading.
Jimmy Boy 99
12-03-16, 07:00
After School was the BJ bar you were looking for. Also, you dated one "not pretty" woman and fucked a "not pretty" woman and a "mature" woman. Why go to all the trouble to come to Thailand and not fuck young, pretty girls?
My order.
1. attitude.
2. tits.
3. body.
4. face.
5. pussy fit and feel.
6. GFE.
7. special skills.
8. cost.
If she has a bad attitude, I'm not interested. Same goes for tits, LOL.
Everything else has a bit of leeway.Thanks for reminding me I forgot to put cost on the list. For many guys cost is no. 1 or 2nd after service. For me cost comes definitely after looks and most other factors, However cost will eliminate girls quickly if gets too out of hand.
Tit size is a very weak criteria for me. I have taken girls from no tits to big tits. However body was 2nd on my list. Very badly deflated bags or very overdone coconuts or otherwise very badly shaped tits can cause a girl to be strongly down graded or more likely eliminated. I can stand some sag or silicones if not too hard overall.
At CH worked a girl with astunning body. Yet her face and attitude seemed rather ordinary. Untrustworthy smirk on the face. I could not take her even her ass and pussy was spectacular and great tits. I would get a hard on though just watching her dance.
After School was the BJ bar you were looking for. Also, you dated one "not pretty" woman and fucked a "not pretty" woman and a "mature" woman. Why go to all the trouble to come to Thailand and not fuck young, pretty girls?I think he was clearly looking for cheap and perhaps raunchy. I prefer pretty and at least young relative to me. Actually I don't care if they are 40 if still look very good, which gets less likely I guess. I do appreciate 18 YO amazing tits on occasion to make a change.
I am currently with a 34 YO who is pretty amazing in almost all departments. Lately she suggested she woulsd like to try a threesome as well except she does not want to lick the other girls pussy, receive pussy licking OK. My god. Bliss
Banana Boi
12-03-16, 07:39
My order when picking a girl:
1. face by a mile.
2. attitude. Fun factor.
3. tits.
4. DFK skills during pre-sale.
5. ass.
6. legs.
Face MUST be attractive. On rare occasions, attitude can win me over with better than average face. Cost is not relevant for SEA.
My order when picking a girl:
1. face by a mile.
2. attitude. Fun factor.
3. tits.
4. DFK skills during pre-sale.
5. ass.
6. legs.
Face MUST be attractive. On rare occasions, attitude can win me over with better than average face. Cost is not relevant for SEA.1. Not a ladyboy.
2. Face. She has to be attractive enough to kiss.
3. Body shape, well proportioned.
4. Attitude. Good eye contact, smile, etc.
5. Ass. Nice shape. It can be a bit bigger, as long as it is firm.
6. Tits. Big or small, no problem. Just firm.
7. Legs, preferably slender, but well toned.
All kidding aside, the girl's face is what attracts me first. Having a good attitude is a bonus!
FiddyCent.
My order when picking a girl:
1. face by a mile.
2. attitude. Fun factor.
3. tits.
4. DFK skills during pre-sale.
5. ass.
6. legs.
Face MUST be attractive. On rare occasions, attitude can win me over with better than average face. Cost is not relevant for SEA.1. Skill set / Attitude (My two regulars, both "retired," whom I would see about once a month or so always had new tricks each time. A pro should always seek to hone the skills, no matter what the profession.) DFK, BBBCIM, and all the skills listed by the other punters in their lists would go here. They are essential.
2. Body (No baby drag. I just can't get past stretch marks. In fact, I'll take a gal who is slightly over weight with no baby as opposed to one who is slim and perfect aside from stretch marks.) Don't really care about tits at all. Must have a great ass and nice legs. Skin goes here as well. I like 'em white. Not into dark skin, although I might like a darker one every now and then for variety.
3. Face (Not all that important. While I prefer a gal not to have a head like a rottweiler, face pales in comparison to body. Also I just don't find Isaan gals to be that attractive in the face anyway. More into East Asian Chinese/Viet type faces.).
4. Fun factor. Important but #s 3 and 4 on my list are way behind #s 1 and 2. I have a long term GF, with whom I have a lot of fun with. I don't care about fun with my P4 P gals; I care about service and intensity.
I am a sex addict and so I need a lot of sex, and preferably of a good quality, and preferably from girls with well above average face and body looks. The looks seem to enhance my excitement greatly and make it easier to cum. From a single girlfriend, it is very hard to get sex consistently frequently for many years even if quality is good. Hence forced into P4 P or Giks.
So my handicap must be to wish to feel some empathy with a girl first before thinking about fucking her. A totally mechanical session is probably going to leave me less than satisfied. I rarely repeat girls that just go through the mechanical procedures with no apparent interest to actually have fun. My psycholgical problem.I am most definitely not a sex addict. If I don't find what I want; I can easily do without. In fact, these days I go a couple of weeks or more without a session. Hell, I'd rather spend the money on good beer or some excellent food if the gal pickings are slim. I have had way too many sessions over the past few years that have left me feeling meh and made me wish I wouldn't have spent the money. Hey, when STs were 500 - 1 k Baht back in the day (12.50 - 25 USD), I really didn't care so much about performance. Any offs a good off when you are paying 12.50. But when I am paying 2100 for 90 min in an oily, my expectations are higher. Any many times these days, they are just not being met.
I used to empathize with the gals when I first moved here. That quickly faded. A mediocre P4 P gal in BKK makes more than most uni educated Thais with many years of job experience. Yes, she supports her entire family. So what? Her choice; not my issue. She has chosen to be in the P4 P industry. If she wants my money, she better be damn good at what she does.
I am still amazed that guys put a completely different set of rules on sex workers than they do other professions. I mean really, would your boss let you slide like many punters let these gals slide? Would you let your employees slide? Would you let your Dr get away with half-assed treatment? I don't think so.
I think the lists of importance that we've all been posting are quite interesting.
I wonder how some of the girls make money, but these lists help me understand. Different tastes and whatnot.
My single biggest turn off is negotiation. I don't know how people do it. If a girl quotes me an unusually high price, I am instantly turned-off; it's almost a feeling of disgust. However, some of you handle it like studs. Mongers are a diverse set of individuals.
...My single biggest turn off is negotiation. I don't know how people do it. If a girl quotes me an unusually high price, I am instantly turned-off; it's almost a feeling of disgust. However, some of you handle it like studs. Mongers are a diverse set of individuals.If a girl quotes me a too-high price, I just walk away, assuming she is not interested in my business. I rarely negotiate the ptice. However, one time in a popular gogo, a girl quoted me a high price for ST. I started laughing and she immediately changed her offer to LT. I still did not take her eventhough I liked her. I did go back the next day and took her for LT at that price.
BellBottomsDJ
12-04-16, 00:38
I have never been to Thailand before, but I am considering going early next year to see what it is all about. I have a couple questions that I have not been able to find much detail about and if anyone can advise or point me in a direction, that would be great. If a solo guy is looking to find two girls at a time (maybe even 3), and having them go to my hotel or and basically act out a porn show with handcuffs and double dildos (haha) for example, is this something that can be commonly found? Is it just a matter of asking the first girl you would meet in a gogo or bar and tell her you are interested in her and a friend or another girl I would pick out and telling her exactly what you want? Just curious.
Spent a few days in Bangkok and tried a few different hunting grounds. First night did the Soi Cowboy thing and visited Cowboy 2. Usual group a girls and while there were a lot to try and take my cash, few caught the eye enough for me to buy. Headed out to Climax instead. Found the crowd there to be very disappointing and the quality somewhat under par. Finally met a familiar face that saved the night. One thing I did notice was that the girls of quality all rolled in around 3 am and I suspect that they were looking for their second or third customer for the night. Took my familiar face back for a great GFE that made the first night worthwhile.
The second day I spent in Hilary 2. Good bar with some pretty faces. Played pool all day and managed to get a few numbers for the next trip. Headed out at night to the line up at Thermae. My observations confirmed a very heavy Asian male presence and the girls very much favoring them over non Asians. Did manage to talk to a few but the feedback was that Asian is their flavor. Left Thermae feeling that it is likely to become an exclusive Asian pickup bar. Went to Mixx and found the quality of the girls there to be much superior to anything else. A lot of eye candy and dressed to thrill. Found a cute Thai girl that was built to perform. Took her back for what turned out to be a great night that lasted into the later part of the day.
Third day went back to the bars at Nana Plaza and managed to collect some numbers. Was determined this time to buy at Thermae but as this was a Friday night the odds were stacked against me. Place was packed with Asians and the girls had eyes only for them. Must admit that the line up had a lot of eye candy but I did not manage to close a deal. Left feeling that the place is not for me.
Went back to Nana Plaza and hoped in Twister. The place was jumping and the girls were very interested in bar fines. I found a very cute and well built dancer who was eager to go back with me, she turned out to be a solid performer who had a great body and fab attitude.
In all. The three nights in Bangkok were great despite lucking out in Thermae. Would try it again but I would stay away from the weekend nights. Too many Asians.
Happy hunting.
I have never been to Thailand before, but I am considering going early next year to see what it is all about. I have a couple questions that I have not been able to find much detail about and if anyone can advise or point me in a direction, that would be great. If a solo guy is looking to find two girls at a time (maybe even 3), and having them go to my hotel or and basically act out a porn show with handcuffs and double dildos (haha) for example, is this something that can be commonly found? Is it just a matter of asking the first girl you would meet in a gogo or bar and tell her you are interested in her and a friend or another girl I would pick out and telling her exactly what you want? Just curious.Eden Club is a fetish club and have strap ONS, not sure about double dildos, so try that in house first.
I think the lists of importance that we've all been posting are quite interesting.
I wonder how some of the girls make money, but these lists help me understand. Different tastes and whatnot.
My single biggest turn off is negotiation. I don't know how people do it. If a girl quotes me an unusually high price, I am instantly turned-off; it's almost a feeling of disgust. However, some of you handle it like studs. Mongers are a diverse set of individuals.Some guys love to negotiate every detail of the money and exactly what they will get.
Like you, this is not for me. Many girls do not even set a price for me. I am well known as fair it seems or more than fair.
I can stand a very quick negotiation on price, without too much to and fro.
I am starting to think some kissing discussion is needed when going with free lancers. Kissing from them has been weak this year. So I will start to say to them if they want me again, and they do, then the kissing has to improve.
No improvement then I won't take them. That simple. They can then decide if they want the business.
My bargirls and MP girl have been kissing pretty good so I don't see why free lancers have to be worse if they want repeat business.
Girls that take neither DFK nor DATY are definitely ruled out very quickly. I don't like girls to be asking me what I like to do in the session, a bit common for western hookers, and my answer is typically that I like to have fun.
I don't have any weird requirements at all, and go with what the girls feel comfortable with for the most part. Girls are not forced to do something they don't want to do , unless they are self forcing.
Crocodilexp
12-04-16, 06:43
If a solo guy is looking to find two girls at a time (maybe even 3), and having them go to my hotel or and basically act out a porn show with handcuffs and double dildos (haha) for example Thai women (including working girls) are typically sexually conservative and not very kinky. I doubt getting two regular working girls would work for you, the language barrier would work against your odd requests too.
Places where you can try this are Eden Club, perhaps Barbar / Demonia (specialized SM bars), and as a last resort PSE oilies like Tulip / Sky / Snow White / Bongkot / Bamboo, though at those last ones you'd have to make sure to explain your request very clearly, and might not have many takers.
Thai women (including working girls) are typically sexually conservative and not very kinky. I doubt getting two regular working girls would work for you, the language barrier would work against your odd requests too.
Places where you can try this are Eden Club, perhaps Barbar / Demonia (specialized SM bars), and as a last resort PSE oilies like Tulip / Sky / Snow White / Bongkot / Bamboo, though at those last ones you'd have to make sure to explain your request very clearly, and might not have many takers.I agree completely. Its easy to get a non fetish 3 some or 4 some, but Thai girls in general are not that kinky to do the fetish stuff. So special clubs for it are best.
I know great girls for bisexual 3 somes but they show no signs of being really kinky.
Girls at Eden do the strap ons and stuff but I thought their acting skills were pretty weak when I tried. I. e. They are paid to do certain routines but but I don't detect eagerness.
I will take a 3 some soon but my specs are different. I just need a 3rd girl with good tits who likes both dick and pussy. A lot easier to meet this criteria at Suzie Wong bar most likely, using one of the lesbian show girls. Anne and Pat have big tits so perhaps one of those two. Unfortunately many of the lesbo show girls have small tits.
Hancuffs should be for the customer. Girls would be very wary of wearing them. Bargirls have been murdered by Psycho guys before in Hotel rooms.
Too bad I didn't know you were around eihtooms and Jimmy boy, would have been nice to share notes. Thermae was the best I have ever seen it.
One farang was not setting a good example. A girl ordered pad ka prao I think and asked him to pay. He barked out something like you ordered it and she paid. It's like 80 baht.No, I am on the falangs side on this one. 80 baht for pad ka prao? It's a scam, she wouldn't have ordered it knowing it costs roughly 2 x the price it should. It also sets a proper examlpe: working girls are employees, not girlfriends. This isn't date night, and you shouldn't be paying for diner. They're working girls, treat as employees. With respect, but with barriers. These issan farm girls are so used to walking all over white men and japs.
I agree completely. Its easy to get a non fetish 3 some or 4 some, but Thai girls in general are not that kinky to do the fetish stuff. So special clubs for it are best.
I know great girls for bisexual 3 somes but they show no signs of being really kinky.
Girls at Eden do the strap ons and stuff but I thought their acting skills were pretty weak when I tried. I. e. They are paid to do certain routines but but I don't detect eagerness.
I will take a 3 some soon but my specs are different. I just need a 3rd girl with good tits who likes both dick and pussy. A lot easier to meet this criteria at Suzie Wong bar most likely, using one of the lesbian show girls. Anne and Pat have big tits so perhaps one of those two. Unfortunately many of the lesbo show girls have small tits.
Hancuffs should be for the customer. Girls would be very wary of wearing them. Bargirls have been murdered by Psycho guys before in Hotel rooms.They really don't get seduction or eroticism either. This was evident to me from day 1 in Thailand. But they were cheap, plentiful, and available. That is why I always say they are all still worth about 1 k Baht ST.
No, I am on the falangs side on this one. 80 baht for pad ka prao? It's a scam, she wouldn't have ordered it knowing it costs roughly 2 x the price it should. It also sets a proper examlpe: working girls are employees, not girlfriends. This isn't date night, and you shouldn't be paying for diner. They're working girls, treat as employees. With respect, but with barriers. These issan farm girls are so used to walking all over white men and japs.Agree with Parkville 100%. Did she ask him if he would pay before she ordered, or did she just assume? If did not ask; serves her right. Yep, they are not dates.
I agree that romance is greatly over rated and brings few benefits, certainly does not seem to bring a great sex life.
I am a sex addict and so I need a lot of sex, and preferably of a good quality, and preferably from girls with well above average face and body looks. The looks seem to enhance my excitement greatly and make it easier to cum. From a single girlfriend, it is very hard to get sex consistently frequently for many years even if quality is good. Hence forced into P4 P or Giks.
Well the first step is admitting it. But seriously, the problem with that kind of addiction is that it is a rabbit hole. You have to keep digging deeper and deeper to fool your mind. I think taking a 6 month hiatus, go fishing / etc, will allow your mind to reset. Don't jerk off to porn either or you'll just be feeding the addiction. 6 months to reset, you'll find you pop much sooner, it's more enjoyable, and all kinds of girls are more attractive. In fact, I kind of want to get out of Thailand and come back just for that reason. Everyone says Thailand is worst in 10 years, nothing like the good old days. It's because their sex addiction is destroying their lifes. Got to give it a break, alternate your hobbies. Take up gambling or heroin (just kidding) then switch back.
Wolvenvacht
12-04-16, 10:32
I had the idea there was a BJ bar there and strolled up and down looking for it. By the 3rd pass, some of the girls out front were getting pissed at me passing them by, and one in front of After Skool shouted something at me that I am was not nice at all. Karma is a *****.
After Skool is the bar that is closest to a BJ bar in Soi Cowboy. They have the "naughty boys corner" in the back of the bar, where you can get your BJ. Not a separate or closed-off space, just a bit out of obvious sight and thus definitely not for the shy among us!
I'm not shy at all and although a BJ does not need luxurious surroundings, I find this a bit too much on the sleezy side to really enjoy it.
Wolvenvacht
12-04-16, 10:43
I have never been to Thailand before, but I am considering going early next year to see what it is all about. I have a couple questions that I have not been able to find much detail about and if anyone can advise or point me in a direction, that would be great. If a solo guy is looking to find two girls at a time (maybe even 3), and having them go to my hotel or and basically act out a porn show with handcuffs and double dildos (haha) for example, is this something that can be commonly found? Is it just a matter of asking the first girl you would meet in a gogo or bar and tell her you are interested in her and a friend or another girl I would pick out and telling her exactly what you want? Just curious.I think the language barrier would make it quite difficult to arrange that. Handcuffs and double dildoes are most certainly not household items for common Thai bargirls.
Your best bet is probably to go to Eden Club and talk to management. They have lots of "toys" and their girls (if they can still be called "girls" as most are well beyond a "girlie" age) don't seem too shy to play out some pretty kinky scenarios. Dildo-play is probably one of their more innocent pass-times.
A biit of general advice for the "Thailand virgin" you are.
Sex is very easy to come by in Thailand, but 99% of it is of the most common "one boy - one girl" variety. Manual and oral foreplay, followed by full vaginal sex in the usual positions. Nobody ever made a statistic of it of course, but I'm guessing that most mongers still go for the missionary position, followed by some doggy-style and (when we are lazy or tired) some cowgirl. Nothing kinky or out of the kamasutra. Three or more-somes, orgies, gangbangs, playing with toys, BDSM, dress-up parties, . . . are not at all easy to come by in Thailand. For that kind of fun, Germany seems a better destination.
Just to give you one more example. Working girls have of course been exposed to our western style of sex and will not be surprised if you wish to lick their pussy, but with every Thai girlfriend I had, they were very reluctant at first to have their pussy licked. It doesn't seem something Thai boyfriends like to do, or at least not well and in any case not for more than a few licks. It took some persuading to convince them that I could make them cum by oral foreplay alone. Just to say that you should not project your Western porn ideas on to the Thailand scene. The beauty of the Thai sex scene is its simplicity and down-to-earth character; not its sophistication or kinkiness. If you are looking for those things, you will be disappointed.
I have never been to Thailand before, but I am considering going early next year to see what it is all about. I have a couple questions that I have not been able to find much detail about and if anyone can advise or point me in a direction, that would be great. If a solo guy is looking to find two girls at a time (maybe even 3), and having them go to my hotel or and basically act out a porn show with handcuffs and double dildos (haha) for example, is this something that can be commonly found? Is it just a matter of asking the first girl you would meet in a gogo or bar and tell her you are interested in her and a friend or another girl I would pick out and telling her exactly what you want? Just curious.No first hand experience; but two fetish clubs in Bangkok are Demonia and BarBar, and in Pattaya there is The Castle.
SL.
My single biggest turn off is negotiation. I don't know how people do it. If a girl quotes me an unusually high price, I am instantly turned-off; it's almost a feeling of disgust. However, some of you handle it like studs. Mongers are a diverse set of individuals.I used to hate it, too. Then, after a few times of success with it, in fact, more success with it than without it, a Pavlov's Dog thing kind of took over. Knowing that if I play this little "game" many Thai P4 P girls like to test you with in the beginning, the process of getting the results I wanted were well on their way. That meant, and I am not kidding, my dick now knows where this little conversation is likely to lead and he more often than not begins to actually perk up as I launch into my usual reply and counteroffer. And there aren't many. It is a very short and sweet negotiation. Something like this:
Her: "3,000, Short Time. ".
Me: (with a slightly pained look on my face) "Oh, pang pang (expensive). (I give it a moment of thought, looking at her like I am studying whether she would be worth any baht at all) "Sweet Nam, if a lady did abc for me, then we did xyz, I would give her 2,500 baht. Will you do that for me?"
That's about it, really. "abc" and "xyz" pretty much represents the same fantasy dream result for me on the sexual level that her 3,000 baht request represents to her on the financial level. Now it is her turn. She might say yes to almost all of it. In fact, that is the response at least 50% of the time and my dick has learned that to be the case from experience. So now he likes to hear her say her words and me say my words and he enjoys waiting for the girl's reply instead of retreating in anxiety, fear or shame over it. Even if she is up for half of what I include in my very short and to the point list, my dick is happy to wait for it. Hell, even if she says no to all of it, my dick now knows it is just a matter of asking the next girl and we're on our way. Rarely does the process require discussing this with a third girl on a given night but even then it isn't a big deal.
Some might say only countering with 2,500 in this particular example instead of, say, 2,000 (or even less!) is poor gamesmanship in a negotiation. You know, we're supposed to reply very low and then meet in the middle and all that. But my feeling is I am not using this negotiation moment to save money or strike a memorable bargain basement score. If the girl said yes to all of it, it would make zero difference to my peace of mind to pay even her full 3,000 baht asking price vs something as low as 1,500 baht.
No, I am using this moment to tell her what I want from her sexually if I am going to pay her anything at all. And by not lowballing ridiculously from her initial dream request, the message is we are in the ballpark for both of us getting what we want tonight so this "negotiation" is not going to take more than a few more seconds, which is my preference. And it informs her that it is the level of service that matters to me, not saving 500 or even 1000 baht on some tedious standard level of service that, she could well assume based on my long searching look at her before I made my counter offer, might not even be worth 1,500 baht to me on this night from this girl. IMO, that is how you pass whatever "test" a P4P girl is throwing at you with a high initial asking price for an, at that point, unknown and unspecified level of service.
ET,
Your post made me go back and check the original post. I see he did not discuss negotiation beyond the money now. A very brief negotiation does not concern me too much, like what you refer to. It is not a big turn off if brief.
I had originally assumed the negotiation he referred to would be protracted and include discussions all the details of exactly which things would be done in the room. Perhaps that was not intended.
I have bever been a great discussor of services in advance, but am starting to consider adding that for certain situations where girls are not likely to provide DFK if not agreed to. I don't like to negotiate services.
So simply if she wants the business DFK should be included rather than avoided. I think if a girl is happy to suck dick, then sucking my tongue a little too is fairly harmless.
Spent a few days in Bangkok and tried a few different hunting grounds. First night did the Soi Cowboy thing and visited Cowboy 2. Usual group a girls and while there were a lot to try and take my cash, few caught the eye enough for me to buy. Headed out to Climax instead. Found the crowd there to be very disappointing and the quality somewhat under par. Finally met a familiar face that saved the night. One thing I did notice was that the girls of quality all rolled in around 3 am and I suspect that they were looking for their second or third customer for the night. Took my familiar face back for a great GFE that made the first night worthwhile.
The second day I spent in Hilary 2. Good bar with some pretty faces. Played pool all day and managed to get a few numbers for the next trip. Headed out at night to the line up at Thermae. My observations confirmed a very heavy Asian male presence and the girls very much favoring them over non Asians. Did manage to talk to a few but the feedback was that Asian is their flavor. Left Thermae feeling that it is likely to become an exclusive Asian pickup bar. Went to Mixx and found the quality of the girls there to be much superior to anything else. A lot of eye candy and dressed to thrill. Found a cute Thai girl that was built to perform. Took her back for what turned out to be a great night that lasted into the later part of the day...Hi Axiata,
Thank you for an informative report. Too bad with Thermae I'm into the Japanese look myself so I too regret their bias towards non-Asians.
Any tips on how to close the deal at Mixx? I'm not very comfortable in clubs so I normally avoid them, but I have had trouble finding nice girls for overnight stays in Bangkok so I am willing to give it a go.
You left out info on prices, was that on purpose?
Thanks again for tips.
I definitely meant a protracted negotiation. Two or three sentences about what will happen isn't a negotiation to me, it's just agreeing to a service. If it takes more than 60 seconds though, I'm disgusted by the whole affair.
I have bever been a great discussor of services in advance, but am starting to consider adding that for certain situations where girls are not likely to provide DFK if not agreed to. I don't like to negotiate services.
So simply if she wants the business DFK should be included rather than avoided. I think if a girl is happy to suck dick, then sucking my tongue a little too is fairly harmless.Yes, Syzy, I just went with the assumption that the original post was about negotiating price and not for quality or level of service because that seems to be the predominant if not the only factor mentioned whenever someone says they negotiated with a P4 P girl. It seems almost always to be about "How much?" and rarely if ever ALSO about "For what?" And that is a bad sign, imo. Maybe we didn't have to spell out certain important acts with these girls in the past because we and they just assumed, correctly, that that is what makes for a good sexual experience. But that was then and this is now. And these days I think so many customers just worry about scoring a victory on the cost as though the "For what?" they are paying for does not matter. Consequently, the girls have every reason to assume that whatever she doles out to him in the room in fact does NOT matter.
Well, much more often than not, it does matter to me. So I am now on the "spell it out" plan UNLESS, as I have alluded to before, I am so smitten by a girl that I am willing to pay whatever it takes get her in my room and give Good Luck a shot with the help of some dedicated DATY and would honestly not feel ripped off if it turned out she is a total dud when it comes to my pleasures. After all, if I have not spelled out with a girl the "For what?" part of the deal and we only settled on the "How much?" part, there is technically no such thing as my getting ripped off by a girl who won't do this, won't do that, cannot do this and would rather die than do that. Buyer beware and no refunds allowed in that case. Still, sometimes I can see not even giving a certain girl the chance or reason to say "no" in a bar when the payoff for her to potentially feel more comfortable in saying "yes" in the room is worth it.
I also wanted to help dispel any newbie impressions that negotiating both price AND quality or level of service with these girls means some long, drawn out, complex back and forth discussion sure to put off anyone who hoped to have sex at all that night. It doesn't have to be and it shouldn't be. If DFK and / or CIM is important to someone, just mention that those are the kinds of things you would be willing to pay the 3,000 baht she stated for or, better yet, a number lower than that. Same with LT vs ST, covered vs uncovered, whatever is an important element to you and then some. The "and then some" being an item or two that you would be happy to get that night but in reality are expendable items in the brief negotiation if it is an absolute no go for the girl. In my case, that is almost always LT vs ST. I throw LT into the 2-3 things I would be willing to pay baht for tonight but truth be told I really don't need her to stay LT all that much and, if something in my short list of requests gets eliminated in order for her to feel that she won one for her side, that's the one I am most agreeable to letting her eliminate.
But I must say a couple more things about the superior "How much?" and "For what?" combination negotiation. One is to do it with a smile (after registering a pained look in response to her initial baht number request, that is. LOL) as though this very brief discussion about money and 2-3 specific acts you would expect for the money is fun, not going to tear you or her up emotionally, just something to put out there and get it over with as quickly as possible so we can get on with the physical pleasures of it all. And, two, whenever you cite the 2-3 things you want her to do for you this night, close it with "Will you do that for me?" and WAIT for an actual audible "Yes" reply. Don't say "This is what I want tonight" and then accept a smile, a slight head nod, a really big head nod or any combination of those behaviors as a "Yes" reply. She does not count them that way and neither should you. A clear and unambiguous "Yes" is the only answer that actually (might) means yes in the Thai girl's' mind, nothing else.
Remember, that is how they speak to one another, it is built into their language; "mai?" at the end of their sentences is there for a reason. They are literally asking the other person to clearly state whether the thing they just said to them is true or not, agreed to or not, will be done or not. However subtle, they are a bit more confrontational about getting a clear answer to a yes or no question than many of us in the Western world are. So make sure you tack our version of "mai?" at the end of our sentences about whether they will do a thing or not and wait for a clear and unambiguous "yes" reply to it. Otherwise, you should not be surprised if she tells you later that she never agreed to such a thing. LOL.
Member #4591
12-05-16, 04:24
The best experiences I have had are the ones where there was no discussion of price or services upfront. An experienced monger will learn how to see the signs of a starfish or bad service provider. For example asking for payment upfront or being too over the top all over you and extrememly effectiomate or dirty in the club or bar. These are all tell tail signs of a dud. Of course nobody is perfect at this and I have made some bad judgement calls in the past but there is an easy fix for that with minimal loss. If I end up with a dud, I cut her lose with only taxi money by calling off the session. You may be out taxi money and a bar fine if she came from a Go go bar but you saved yourself the fee and a lot of regret after a lousy session.
The best experiences I have had are the ones where there was no discussion of price or services upfront. An experienced monger will learn how to see the signs of a starfish or bad service provider. For example asking for payment upfront or being too over the top all over you and extrememly effectiomate or dirty in the club or bar. These are all tell tail signs of a dud. Of course nobody is perfect at this and I have made some bad judgement calls in the past but there is an easy fix for that with minimal loss. If I end up with a dud, I cut her lose with only taxi money by calling off the session. You may be out taxi money and a bar fine if she came from a Go go bar but you saved yourself the fee and a lot of regret after a lousy session.The problem with that is the dud doesn't know why she was a dud unless she had agreed to something she didn't deliver. So if you never asked her to deliver anything in particular, she has no reason to believe she didn't fulfill her side of the deal. She'll just chalk it up to either bad chemistry or you ripped her off instead of the other way around. In fact, never the other way around. Yes, the best experiences are when nobody talks about money or the exchange of any particular service. And that certainly works fine when it works out great but not so fine when it doesn't. For me, that would be the "smitten" thing I mentioned in my previous post.
But to approach the current Thai P4 P scene with a "whatever happens for whatever amount of money is all good" attitude is, imo, asking for a lot of money to be spent for rather crappy service and to contribute to this notion that whatever they deliver in the room no matter how crappy is "all good", too. YMMV of course.
I have also had the reverse of what you described. Watched and experienced some of the usual bad signs in the bar, but the girl was really hot so I hit her with my "For what?" style of negotiations figuring that was the only way I'd take her anyway and she said yes. The result was she meant it too. And then I had a great time with a girl I thought was hot but might never have been willing to take my chances with otherwise. Also, then if she hadn't delivered, I had the obvious ethical excuse to boot her out with only taxi fare. Otherwise, I wouldn't.
After seeing Liverpool go down 4 to 3, I decided to look in a few bars, not really intending to take a girl away unless I was too weak to resist, since already visited Mango earlier.
In hindsight, the choice of day may not have been good since today is a holiday (King's birthday). Traffic in Bangkok even from Saturday night has been extremely light in that I got from On Nut to Sathorn early Sat evening in 20 minutes.
Anyway first stop was Crazy House. Not a huge line up but it was pretty good standard at 10.30 PM or 11 PM, I forget. I liked the look of 133 and 93, and one other maybe 144 (who just returned from a ST I guess). I had to admit that even some of the tit jobs on display were fairly good jobs not over bulging on the top.
93 is the very slim sleek sexy girl with cute nose and small tits. She remembered me, and came over to talk. Her name was Jan (or Jun meaning depending how you like to spell it and means "the moon") and comes from Surin. Originally I was not clear that she was Thai as her Thai was hard to understand (loud music) and English also. Anyway seems she speaks Thai, Issan, English, Issan Khmer, and also Suay ( a bit).
I was undecided about pulling the trigger (very cautious these days) so allowed her to move to another guy that was interested after her dance set. I put her down as a probable for the future. Definitely her body is a big turn on for me (nude) and face very acceptable. Way hotter than all MP girls spotted today.
Moved to Nana Carpark. My possible girl was not there today. Her friend said she was very drunk last night. Went looking in Mercury for my skinny newbie Coyote girl who was also missing. Mercury line up was down from previous visit. Can't expect too much late on a Sunday before the holiday.
Went to Twisters. It was also down from previous visits. No girl was really grabbing my attention today. First set girls were very over dressed. Wearing bras and knickers underneath the bikinis. I asked the waitress (known to me) why they wear so many layers. The waitress was in a playful mood so indicated that they all would have big tits sag if did not have multi layers to hold the tits up. Just a joke of course, perhaps true for some. 2nd set had a few topless girls. This was better but still nothing stunning.
A quick peak in Rainbow 5 confirmed as from previous visits that the look of girls in there is very much the same as Baccara, with lots of surgeries and girls trying to look westernised. It does not work for me at all this look. The other bars I visited did not have this very fake alien or doll like look. So I know RB5 is for some guys, but definitely not for me.
Moved on to Billboard. The rotating stage line up was diabolical. I was shocked at how plain or ugly the girls were, compared to previous visit a few months back. I reminded myself that the good lookers would have been BFed earlier. One girl with see through top had great tits but her face did not measure up. Very flat nose. I am quite fussy about the whole package.
In the suds bath, two or 3 young things looked good. 795 looked very like CH 93 but tits were even less, to almost non existent. Her nearby friend 793 also looked cute with more tits, and another with good tits had okay Face. The later it got, the worse each bar line up was.
There was quite a party atmosphere at Billboard despite the crappy line up, with a group of Indian customers dancing around. Some customers were tossing wads of 20 Baht notes into the air causing pandemonium and others tossing ping pong balls. I don't subscribe to these behaviours really, but cash is better for girls than ping pong balls. I buy girls a drink or hand them cash tips, the girls I like, not indiscriminate money flinging which seems to be showing off. Thais also can consider mis treatment of money as showing disrespect to the image of the King, if they are extremely picky.
I remind myself 9 PM is the latest that I should come to bars if I want to see the best girls.
The problem with that is the dud doesn't know why she was a dud unless she had agreed to something she didn't deliver. So if you never asked her to deliver anything in particular, she has no reason to believe she didn't fulfill her side of the deal. She'll just chalk it up to either bad chemistry or you ripped her off instead of the other way around. In fact, never the other way around. Yes, the best experiences are when nobody talks about money or the exchange of any particular service. And that certainly works fine when it works out great but not so fine when it doesn't. For me, that would be the "smitten" thing I mentioned in my previous post.
But to approach the current Thai P4 P scene with a "whatever happens for whatever amount of money is all good" attitude is, imo, asking for a lot of money to be spent for rather crappy service and to contribute to this notion that whatever they deliver in the room no matter how crappy is "all good", too. YMMV of course.
I have also had the reverse of what you described. Watched and experienced some of the usual bad signs in the bar, but the girl was really hot so I hit her with my "For what?" style of negotiations figuring that was the only way I'd take her anyway and she said yes. The result was she meant it too. And then I had a great time with a girl I thought was hot but might never have been willing to take my chances with otherwise. Also, then if she hadn't delivered, I had the obvious ethical excuse to boot her out with only taxi fare. Otherwise, I wouldn't.Yes, seems that more and more we mongers are leaving with a bit less than satisfied and much lighter in the wallet. Agree, if we don't communicate what we want and don't express dissatisfaction, then performance will continue to decline.
Which brings me to expectations. If I were to layout the money many dudes are to GoGo gals these days; what would my expectations be? I recently read a report on the Dubai forum that I will link to here. This is spot on what I want from a P4 P gal. And it is really hard to come by with Thai gals. But again, for close to 125 USD when all is said and done; it should be what we all demand.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2394-Dubai-Reports&p=1969885&viewfull=1#post1969885.
The problem with that is the dud doesn't know why she was a dud unless she had agreed to something she didn't deliver. So if you never asked her to deliver anything in particular, she has no reason to believe she didn't fulfill her side of the deal. She'll just chalk it up to either bad chemistry or you ripped her off instead of the other way around. In fact, never the other way around. Yes, the best experiences are when nobody talks about money or the exchange of any particular service. And that certainly works fine when it works out great but not so fine when it doesn't. For me, that would be the "smitten" thing I mentioned in my previous post. Many problems are unrelated to the negotiation unless has put someone in the wrong mood.
E. g. I can't negotiate for softest slowest BBBJ in the world. She does not know she is a biter? uses hand too much, or cannot go at a real slow pace?. I can certainly tell her as soon as she is doing it wrong for me.
I show them how slow and still some cannot go slow like I suggest.
I cannot negotiate that my dick is going to fit her pussy perfectly, neither too tight or too sloppy.
Should I avoid girls scared of dick through negotiation? Ask her if she likes big dick and to be fucked for a long time? Would probably cause most girls to run away if they think I am not just bragging.
Dick scared girls is my biggest problem and I don't see it can be avoided by watching for chemistry or by fruitful discussions so easily. An Amsterdam girl was great fun in the bath and had nice big tits but when it came time to actually fuck she froze up badly. Was quite unexpected.
I am prepared though to say with freelancers, if no tongue kissing then no booking, since this is not a bragging issue, just a plain requirement.
If a girl is a dud for me, I can tell her the reason and likely she already knows. Can be as simple as we just don't fit together good for best sex feeling.
However cannot be predicted in advance that easily other than is the attitude good. This year have had very few bad session bar girls which shows I am either getting careful or getting very lucky. Yet hard to find cheap freelancers that were too much better than lacklustre.
Freelancers tend to have a quickie money turn over attitude where carefully chosen bar girls have had better attitude more relaxed and more fun, only if picking the right ones of course.
i know very well about quickie girls who used to operate at RB4.
93 is the very slim sleek sexy girl with cute nose and small tits. She remembered me, and came over to talk. Her name was Jan (or Jun meaning depending how you like to spell it and means "the moon") and comes from Surin. Originally I was not clear that she was Thai as her Thai was hard to understand (loud music) and English also. Anyway seems she speaks Thai, Issan, English, Issan Khmer, and also Suay ( a bit).
I was undecided about pulling the trigger (very cautious these days) so allowed her to move to another guy that was interested after her dance set. I put her down as a probable for the future. Definitely her body is a big turn on for me (nude) and face very acceptable.Just occured to me that Thais like to spell Jan as Chan perhaps as in the town Chantaburi, even though initial sound is a J. Jan / Jun rhymes with fun and pun.
Remember the Chao Phraya river is really the Jao Phrayaa.
Hi Axiata,
Thank you for an informative report. Too bad with Thermae I'm into the Japanese look myself so I too regret their bias towards non-Asians.
Any tips on how to close the deal at Mixx? I'm not very comfortable in clubs so I normally avoid them, but I have had trouble finding nice girls for overnight stays in Bangkok so I am willing to give it a go.
You left out info on prices, was that on purpose?
Thanks again for tips.The prices are all negotiable and what you can afford. In Thermae I noticed the girls giving signals to the Asian shoppers which I took to mean 2 k and 2.5 k for a ST. Climax varies depending on time of the night. As my catch was a familiar face I paid $2 k plus cab fare for an all night and midday sleepover. Doubt that can be negotiated with girls you do not know. Probably $3 k upwards but if they like you and your hotel is good they will stay around longer. Then they become a familiar face as do you.
Mixx is not cheap. Most of the girls will start at $4 k for ST upwards depending on whether they need cash and like the look of you. I am happy to pay that because every now and then it is nice to have quality and not just the same old standard fare. Again, if they like you and like your hotel they will stay longer. My Thai cute was a performer and gave me three pops. Again, she is now a familiar face for my next trip. She also has a lot of stunning girlfriends at Mixx so the pool gets larger!
Everyone has a game plan for clubs. Mine is to try and make eye contact and if that is returned with a smile then I approach straight away. Wait any longer and it is gone. Usual chat is about how great they look, etc, etc, etc. I am an older guy that looks after myself and tries to dress for the surroundings. The girls dress well in Mixx so being a slob will not cut it. Nothing is ever guaranteed in this game but one thing is for sure. There is always another one in the club to move too if the first one says no thanks! Play the numbers and be confident. They can only say no to you and nothing more!
The Twister go-go rates were fair I thought. $1 k bar fine and $3 k for the girl. Nothing over the top although the staff there are pushy for drinks.
Happy hunting.
Today bad luck and finally good luck.
Went to visit a regular at an MP. Slim and pretty and good tits. She just returned from holiday or so I thought. Always been a good session.
She was a bit reluctant in the kissing. Said she had an infection. I thought no matter I had just recovered from a cold too. Then the BBBJ was weaker than normal. The throat problem again.
In DATY she went with it but some sort of extra shyness could be detected. Later asked if she had any odour. No did not.
After BBBJ then normal sex. Her legs were stiffer than usual. I did not realise immediately but later found I could bot fuck properly and her leg stoffness indicated dick scared.
Finally she admitted what was going on. 2 weejs ago a young Italian with big dick pounded her abd theee was blood. The doctor ordered to have no sex for 2 weeks. Today was the return abd I was her first customer so pussy was well shrunk. She may not have been hurting today but she was not confident everything would be smooth.
Her fears were enough to put me off my nornal stride. I need to check her health and confidence in the future for our session to reaaly wirk. If she is dick scared it won't work. My dick went up and down several times but dick in pussy or mouth was not really working today.
Later went back to Crazy House. Bars were open. Number 110 and 126 were bith very pretty bur newbies, shy and covered up. Probably good bodies but very small tits.
No. 93, the sleek Jun with reddish hair came to me. This was 3rd time I had talked to her and finally was thinking to do her. She was veing quite playful sexy and git a little kiss or two. We noticed a girl dancing open legs wide and Jun commented the girl had a big pussy. Jun claimed her pussy was big also. I said it looked very small however she suggested big on the inside. She may have a child already at age 26 but signs are subtle if any. Naturally I had to ask her if she can stand big cock. She replied she likes and prefers big cock. LOL More feeling for her.
This is promising. Maybe not a dick scared girl and seems like she will tongue kiss OK.
I took her to ST hotel. In shower we soaped up and slid against each others bodies with a bit of kissing thrown in.
On bed she liked DATY. She also gave a really excellent Sloppy BBBJ and was able to slow down to my pace. Very skilled in BBBJ compared to most bargirls. Sex was great including doggy but I was getting very hot. Turned out she had switched the aircon off.
This was rectified and finished great session. There was no money negotiation because I am a regular and not discussed beforehand.
StLouisMo2010
12-06-16, 03:53
Will be in LOS in February, doing some planning- I have not heard of any salons or locations offering nail, toe, and manscaping followed by BJ and or FS. If there are board regulars who are aware of such please post the info, thanks.
Just occured to me that Thais like to spell Jan as Chan perhaps as in the town Chantaburi, even though initial sound is a J. Jan / Jun rhymes with fun and pun.
Remember the Chao Phraya river is really the Jao Phrayaa.The problem is transliteration: The Thais spell it correctly, because they use their letters, จ or ช3593; respectively. It gets confusing when these are transliterated using "our" Roman alphabet because there is no standardized transliteration system in Thailand. That's why even common words such as "Sawasdee" or "Suvarnabhumi" (the airport) sometimes aren't transliterated consistently.
Sorry my last report had such bad spelling. Butter fingers on a smart phone. I am sure most incorrect words can be guessed.
Peter Pan 2
12-06-16, 11:00
Hi.
Coming back to BKK end of this week. I read that the stalls on Sukhumvit were closed down by police. Is this true? This was one of my favorite shopping areas for DVD's and presents. If so, are new areas available?
PP2.
Asian Rain
12-06-16, 16:18
Will be in LOS in February, doing some planning- I have not heard of any salons or locations offering nail, toe, and manscaping followed by BJ and or FS. If there are board regulars who are aware of such please post the info, thanks.I would strongly suggest that you separate these activities and just go to one of the many open salons along Sukhimvit or the side sois which will offer all of the salon activity. Then go to an oily shop (read report in the massages thread) for the sex part. I cannot think of any synergy between the providers of these disparate services, so trying to combine the sets will likely result in suboptimality. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.
I would strongly suggest that you separate these activities and just go to one of the many open salons along Sukhimvit or the side sois which will offer all of the salon activity. Then go to an oily shop (read report in the massages thread) for the sex part. I cannot think of any synergy between the providers of these disparate services, so trying to combine the sets will likely result in suboptimality. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.Or go to Phnom Penh. It's been a long time since I was there but many of the salons on the water front offered 6 girl beauty sessions: one on each foot doing pedi, one on each hand doing mani, one doing a haircut and another under the cape gobbling away. Maybe ask the same question in the PP page and see if this is still available.
I would strongly suggest that you separate these activities and just go to one of the many open salons along Sukhimvit or the side sois which will offer all of the salon activity. Then go to an oily shop (read report in the massages thread) for the sex part. I cannot think of any synergy between the providers of these disparate services, so trying to combine the sets will likely result in suboptimality. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.Perhaps we could suggest one of the hairdressing salons in Sukhumvit road not far from Soi 5 populated by LBs. LOL.
I guess they would offer BJ and nails service.
Not sure what type of customers they manage to get to enter.
Hi.
Coming back to BKK end of this week. I read that the stalls on Sukhumvit were closed down by police. Is this true? This was one of my favorite shopping areas for DVD's and presents. If so, are new areas available?
PP2.Patpong market is still open. Any of the dedicated markets.
Or go to Phnom Penh. It's been a long time since I was there but many of the salons on the water front offered 6 girl beauty sessions: one on each foot doing pedi, one on each hand doing mani, one doing a haircut and another under the cape gobbling away. Maybe ask the same question in the PP page and see if this is still available.I don't get it. Having nails done and pedicure usually involves a few ouch moments and some foot ticklish problems. Would certainly put me off sexual enjoyment at the same time.
Don't see any reason to get a haircut and BJ from same person either (LB warning for some locations). However I maybe weird since I rarely go to a BJ shop for a BJ. I never take hand jobs.
In the old days like 25 to 30 years ago, I believe getting a BJ or fucking a girl in the back or curtained off area of a hair dresser was quite common, but I never tried it. Massage at a hair dresser was even more common, and may have involved some sex services.
I suppose I can see the point. Guy tells his wife he is going for haircut and to get the nails done. In the back he wants some mischief.
Also in the old days, they used to have no hands restaurants where customers were not allowed to use their hands for eating. Girls would assist to spoon feed the customers and hands could be used on the girls. Strangely, I never actually tried one of these places, as being spoon fed did not really appeal.
I don't get it. Having nails done and pedicure usually involves a few ouch moments and some foot ticklish problems. Would certainly put me off sexual enjoyment at the same time.I'm not suggesting it's for everyone. Mearly, if that's what the OP is looking for, it was (is. ?) available in PP.
I agree you could put it in the niche market category with many other pastimes mentioned in the forum.
Asian Rain
12-07-16, 16:12
Coming back to BKK end of this week. I read that the stalls on Sukhumvit were closed down by police. Is this true? This was one of my favorite shopping areas for DVD's and presents. If so, are new areas available?80% of the stalls along Sukhimvit have been closed. Permanently. There are some stalls which are up against the wall (I. E. Not on the sidewalk). I don't know what you want, but there are shops for viagra, fake footballer shirts, kids clothes, fake handbags, etc. Just not the selection. Some of the stalls moved to Soi 3, but again not as much selection. You can ask your hotel where is a good night market depending upon what you want. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.
Member #4698
12-07-16, 17:03
80% of the stalls along Sukhimvit have been closed. Permanently.Good. I hated those cheap stalls. Just what I come to BKK for; to buy cheap socks, underwear and crappy DVD's at 8pm. Now, perhaps I can walk at a reasonable pace from Soi 11 to Asok between 6 and 10 pm without stepping out onto Sukhumvit Road. I do hope, however, that those late night roll away cart bars are still around. I occasionally liked stopping by them and having a late night/early morning drink while chatting with the girls.
If you want to shop for inexpensive clothing, souvenirs, DVD's and what not, go to Chatuchak Market Sunday morning. For example, you will find the best selection and best prices for T-shirts, wallets, bronzes, and yes underwear here. Walk around. It is a huge place. Bargaining is expected.
Asian Rain
12-07-16, 18:24
Good. I hated those cheap stalls. Just what I come to BKK for; to buy cheap socks, underwear and crappy DVD's at 8pm. Now, perhaps I can walk at a reasonable pace from Soi 11 to Asok between 6 and 10 pm without stepping out onto Sukhumvit Road. I do hope, however, that those late night roll away cart bars are still around. I occasionally liked stopping by them and having a late night/early morning drink while chatting with the girls.Me too. I had a late afternoon delight with a WeChat girl, so decided to stroll up Suk just for a bit of fresh air. Without all the stalls clogging up the street, it was a breeze to walk with a decent pace. For the stalls, the vast majority of them seem to have relocated to Soi 3/1 in an even more concentrated space, so no need to walk a linear path to shop. Sadly for the cart bar fans, not a single one has reappeared. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRian.
Moved on to Billboard. The rotating stage line up was diabolical. That's hilarious.
Member #4591
12-08-16, 06:44
Me too. I had a late afternoon delight with a WeChat girl, so decided to stroll up Suk just for a bit of fresh air. Without all the stalls clogging up the street, it was a breeze to walk with a decent pace. For the stalls, the vast majority of them seem to have relocated to Soi 3/1 in an even more concentrated space, so no need to walk a linear path to shop. Sadly for the cart bar fans, not a single one has reappeared. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRian.The art bars have relocated to Soi 22 down an alley on the right side of the main bar in the front. They open from 3 PM daily.
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That's hilarious.It was not intended to be funny. I don't do sarcastic humour. By diabolical, I mean the line up was way below what I expect for Billboard. I could be exaggerating a little, however some of the girls were dogs, and not one I would call attractive. That was a big shock, considering I expected Billboard girls to be well above average. I never reported Billboard line up to be so weak before. I will return to give it another chance. Any bar can have an off day, but I have to call it when the girls are not at all pretty.
We can assume I picked a bad day and was too late at night to catch the prettier girls still unbarfined, or have some of them moved on due to too many girls and not enough BFers?
My Billboard girl Tukata moved on to another bar due to finding she got too few customers at Billboard, due to many good looking girls previously and she did not have big tits that many customers want. I stay in contact due to her being very cute and very GFE. Another girl I liked from Billboard was not there as well.
Any bar can suffer a relapse in the line up standard. If at some point they managed to recruit many good looking girls, and there are not enough customers to sustain it, some girls leave. To keep up the number of girls, the bar gets forced to recruit girls below the standard, and hence we get really ugly ones. Most girls had reasonable to good figures, but the faces were not matching the standard of the bodies.
I know some guys look for 18 YO body and any plain to ugly face will do. That is not me however. I need faces well above average to interest me at all.
Good. I hated those cheap stalls. Just what I come to BKK for; to buy cheap socks, underwear and crappy DVD's at 8pm. Now, perhaps I can walk at a reasonable pace from Soi 11 to Asok between 6 and 10 pm without stepping out onto Sukhumvit Road. I do hope, however, that those late night roll away cart bars are still around. I occasionally liked stopping by them and having a late night/early morning drink while chatting with the girls.
If you want to shop for inexpensive clothing, souvenirs, DVD's and what not, go to Chatuchak Market Sunday morning. For example, you will find the best selection and best prices for T-shirts, wallets, bronzes, and yes underwear here. Walk around. It is a huge place. Bargaining is expected.I admit to buying a cheap imitation handbag or two, but really did not buy anything there for years. DVDs were best bought elsewhere since quality on Sukhumvit was very unreliable. Strictly for the tourists only, those stalls, but agreed were a nuisance causing me to walk on the road.
I may go check out the cart bars when I have money to waste. LOL I really want to contact Noi from Easy Bar with the most amazing 18 YO tits (if that) I encountered for years (after Nat at Crazy House). Both were rather questionable as to whether they had reached 18. Nat's tits had been noticeably growing from CH early days suggesting a possible extra young age, or taking special hormones, or even pregnant, I don't know.
Asian Rain
12-08-16, 19:11
For burgers in BKK Escapade near Khaosan is unreal, so is Fatty's in Din Daeng. There are so many places doing unreal gourmet burgers in BKK at the moment.I and a work group tried Fatty's in Din Daeng. FANTASTIC burgers. We tried the Standard, Juicy Lucy and Blue. Very thick, soft and juicy. Onion rings were wonderful as well. And total value for money. A mere 200 b for the Juicy Lucy with side order. Most expensive in our group was the Blue Cheese burger at 250 b, which had us all shaking our head at the super value for money. Place is a 5-7 min walk from PhraRam 9 MRT station. Well well well worth a visit for lunch or dinner. THANKS to Goatscrot for the pointer. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g293916-d3494170-Reviews-Fatty_s_Bar_Diner-Bangkok.html
Started at Mercury bar in Nana. Girl I looked for was not there. Maybe will never be seen again. Another moderately pretty Coyote seemed to want to stand outside.
Moved on to Billboard. Sure enough last Sunday night was an aberration, when I reported diabolical line up. Thursday at 11 PM was back to normal standard. A couple of nice girls on the rotating stage but I was attracted to a couple of topless ones at the suds moreso. They have mostly great tits on display as are all aged 18 to 20 I guess. Som (no. 746? Or 726) had exceptional tits. I did not BF her today but possibly will in future. She said 3000 Baht but not sure I want to pay that much. Exceptionally beautiful tits is something special for a change. Her nose was nice small, and she had teeth braces. Has no child, otherwise tits could not be that perfect.
Next looked at the Nana Carpark girls. One girl appealed however she seemed to be the only girl that did not want to look at me or show interest. I waited patiently for her to stop yacking to her friend. I did not want to interrupt although her friend talked non stop. When her friend was gone, she was awfully busy chatting using LINE on her phone and another girl looked over her shoulder. No glance up at me. I tried to say a couple of things to her re her being so busy, but still she showed no interest. Suddenly another old guy barges straight up to her face and starts saying a lot to her ignoring that she is busy. After long conversation they reach agreement and off they go. Clearly if I am interested in a girl, I need to be less polite and just barge at her like he did. None of the other girls appealed at all.
So decided to head towards Thermae. At approx. Soi 5 I see an absolutely stunning middle height girl in sexy shorts heading the other way with a shoulder pack and looking to be in a hurry. I suddenly decide I should be talking to her. The sweetest thing I saw in a long time. By the time I catch up to her, another guy has already accosted her. He is younger than me and looks slightly Middle Eastern. She keeps pointing to where she is going. He tries to persuade her otherwise. She looks a bit embarrassed. He is finally done. Now its my turn. She explains she is in a hurry heading to meet a customer. So I want to know where she works. She says Rama 3 which is far away and adds Chan Road, which I know vaguely, but the name of her establishment I could not quite catch, sounded like Belt-tee or Bew-tee I don't believe was Coyote. Anyway she had no more time for conversation and had to dash. Probably will never see her again, but certainly she was must do type, where you can decide after two seconds. That gorgeous in an innocent but exotic way look. Makes most of the movie stars look ordinary.
Another girl accosted me on the way to the Thermae. She was by my side so being long sighted I could not see her properly. Turned out her body was quite good but face very ugly. Eventually managed to ditch her however she showed up in the Thermae too. It was 1. 35 AM in the Thermae, Girls a bit thin. I really liked one girl and was about to approach when a Japanese went to straight to her and appeared to be trying to persuade her for a very long time. Eventually he moved away. So I moved in and turned out that she was waiting for someone. So I did not waste anywhere near the time he wasted.
Found a smiling girl at the doorway that looked slim enough. Had a nose job and probably a tit job but both looked pretty good. Name was Koy (Goi). Kissing was available so the deal was sealed. We went to ST Hotel in Soi 7/1 cheaper than RuamChit. Nice tongue kissing. The DATY was a bit much for her. Clearly not used to it.
She did have sillies but was a very good soft job.
Very nice BBBJ. Sex was a bit difficult at first as she had a tight pussy, and her slightly scared state with slightly stiffened legs, weakened my hard on a little, so was hard to slide in and out easily. Although she had a baby it was caesarean and her pussy was original as for no baby. The antidote to get me back hard was touching her pussy and tongue kissing. When rock hard, the fucking was still slightly difficult, even lubed up, but was working. Once her pussy stretched out, became easier. Seemed like she had not been fucked recently and she claimed no earlier customers.
So managed to fuck with minor difficulty in penetration in several positions, with frequent tongue kissing helping to keep the dick hard enough to overcome the slightly difficult pussy, possibly curved and not straight. Quite a nice girl and satisfactory fuck in the end, but I doubt I would repeat. Just wasn't easy enough and did not get to do doggy. Pussy was not shaved just trimmed. Probably suits to Japanese customers better.
Have not really found any girl recently at the Thermae that is perfect for me. Much better luck in bars, but I can't really say why, other than I normally take more time to chat to the girl than at Thermae. I might have been better off taking the Billboard girl even though more expensive, as she had amazing body and no surgeries, however no clue if she might be dick scared or not, considering no baby.
Asian Rain
12-09-16, 11:27
We went to ST Hotel in Soi 7/1 cheaper than RuamChit.May I ask which hotel you use on 7/1? Star Inn? World Inn? Something else? Rate for ST use and time allowed? Decent beds? Always looking to develop more options for ST stays in case I pick up something on Suk between Asoke and Nana. Thanks if you can share. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.
Asian Rain
12-09-16, 11:48
Next looked at the Nana Carpark girls. One girl appealed however she seemed to be the only girl that did not want to look at me or show interest. I waited patiently for her to stop yacking to her friend. I did not want to interrupt although her friend talked non stop. When her friend was gone, she was awfully busy chatting using LINE on her phone and another girl looked over her shoulder. No glance up at me. I tried to say a couple of things to her re her being so busy, but still she showed no interest. Suddenly another old guy barges straight up to her face and starts saying a lot to her ignoring that she is busy. After long conversation they reach agreement and off they go. Clearly if I am interested in a girl, I need to be less polite and just barge at her like he did. None of the other girls appealed at all.Probably missed crossing paths as I picked up from Nana carpark just before 11 pm. Quite cute smiley girl with nice luscious lips who turned out to be a blast in the room. Thin frame, a-cup tits, no baby, firm small ass and a smoothly-shaved beaver. She delivered what I call "proper experience". Romantic kissing and playful. Licked my balls and shaft softly before taking it deep BBBJ where I could feel my cockhead hit the back of her throat. Spread wide and moaned with pleasure while I gave her "Hello, kitty pink" vertical smile a thorough tongue lashing. Accommodating snug box that took a poking from every direction and enthusiastically replied YES when I asked if she wanted my cum in her mouth, where she opened wide and took every hot drop inside. She looked like a "chipmunk with spunk" as she held my load in her mouth. Of course got her LINE for a potential follow-up meeting. Definite callback at some point. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.
May I ask which hotel you use on 7/1? Star Inn? World Inn? Something else? Rate for ST use and time allowed? Decent beds? Always looking to develop more options for ST stays in case I pick up something on Suk between Asoke and Nana. Thanks if you can share. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.Sure.
https://goo.gl/maps/vZrUCw7w6XH2
The ST Hotel was called Atlas and is on the left side of Soi 7/1.
Room price was 350 Baht which is higher than for Asoke Place on Soi 21, however the room is better. People do stay there for the whole night for a moderate price.
Price of a bottle of water was 30 Baht. Wow! Bring your own water and condoms recommended. They do sell condoms and even had 54 mm size. I forget what price for that. I bring my own lube too, because I don't like sticky ones. LOL.
The really bad option for ST Hotel is Miami, as its just a bit too ancient and low standard, but if nothing else has a room left, consider it.
Was more like 1AM that I was checking out the freelancers on Soi 4
Asian Rain
12-09-16, 14:05
The really bad option for ST Hotel is Miami, as its just a bit too ancient and low standard, but if nothing else has a room left, consider it.Thanks for the recommendation on Atlas. Will give it a try if I make a pickup in the same vicinity. I avoid Miami if possible. Always feel that a delousing is needed even if I just walk in the lobby. Would rather take a taxi to Asoke and go with Asoke Place. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.
May I ask which hotel you use on 7/1? Star Inn? World Inn? Something else? If I am not mistaken, the short time / long time hotel option Syzygies mentioned and provided a link for used to be World Inn. Same location, fully remodeled and with a sort of related name. World being somewhat related to Atlas, if you see the connection.
If I am not mistaken, the short time / long time hotel option Syzygies mentioned and provided a link for used to be World Inn. Same location, fully remodeled and with a sort of related name. World being somewhat related to Atlas, if you see the connection.Makes sense, it did look modernised.
Today I realised that Asoke Place is also charging 350 Baht for short time, so Atlas is definitely better standard even if rooms maybe smaller.
In crazy House tonight at about close to 10 PM, line up was pretty good, but a different set of girls to what I see during the week. More surgeries in evidence both silicones and nose jobs.
I spotted skinny petite Jane No. 4 dancing, aged 21, which was a shock. She normally got BFed very early. Turned out was her first day back from period in Surin havesting the rice, so did not have a customer pre booked. Chatted with also Taeng Mo (a long term girl) and Aor (No. 3) who gained weight. Bfed Jane quickly for fear of having someone else try to grab her. She is known to be excellent on the bed, and had a lot of regular customers.
Jane was horny and tight pussy with no sex for a period before today. She enjoyed DATY, performed excellent BBBJ, rode me in extended cowgirl to stimulate herself further, and finally fucked in a few positions. Really excellent as I said. Far better really than last night's Thermae girl. Can be highly recommended although very small tits.
After that decided to check out Toy Bar, since a girl sitting outside look good. She was Kanya, a tall so called Coyote girl meaning wears a bikini with push up bra and nickers underneath. I entertained Kanya and also Pim, a go-go girl with figure not quite able to match Kanya, or rather they entertained me playfully. Music video was great. Not awful disco like house stuff. The bar was a little quiet with only 3 or 4 customers up till 2 AM when various customers started to come in. Why the place is liveliest at 2 AM+ is beyond me, since its well past my bedtime.
The line up at Toy Bar. LOL Two or three girls appealed to me, no surgeries. The rest did not. Some rather old girls. Some nose jobs but did not see any silicones. I certainly would return because its a fun bar, or visit a sister bar like Jungle Jim's or Fanny's. Without pretty girl outside the bar, I probably would not have got pulled in.
Sure.
https://goo.gl/maps/vZrUCw7w6XH2
The ST Hotel was called Atlas and is on the left side of Soi 7/1.
Room price was 350 Baht which is higher than for Asoke Place on Soi 21, however the room is better. People do stay there for the whole night for a moderate price.
Price of a bottle of water was 30 Baht. Wow! Bring your own water and condoms recommended. They do sell condoms and even had 54 mm size. I forget what price for that. I bring my own lube too, because I don't like sticky ones. LOL.
The really bad option for ST Hotel is Miami, as its just a bit too ancient and low standard, but if nothing else has a room left, consider it.
Was more like 1AM that I was checking out the freelancers on Soi 4Still prefer the PB hotel off Soi 3.
MichaelSamuel
12-10-16, 03:58
I got a bit behind on finishing my reports for my November trip so these are about a month behind so some of this is slightly out of date, but I thought would still be interesting to share.
I concentrated my nighttime activities at Nana this trip since the ex -regular was a cowboy girl. But I still wanted to see what was on offer so I set aside one night for cowboy. This was still within the 30 day mourning period so I had to start early around 8. Started at Baccarra, decent selection, but nothing that jumped out at me, and definitely favoring the Asian cliental as you could see who they chose to face well up on stage. As is common I actually thought most of the girls looked better in street clothes coming in that after they changed, but of course the bikini top and skirt are far less forgiving. The possibles I noted for later were 224,10,86. I wanted to shop around some more so didn't invite any girls for drinks and after seeing the rotation twice and 2 vodkas later moved on to Crazy House. Stage was certainly full of girls but was early so plenty of seats. Girls had tops on and skits, but no knickers so was still more than you saw at the other bars during this period. I have to agree with Syz and other recent reports, the lineup is hurting at CH. Honestly I thought a lot of the girls had been hitting McDonalds a little too often. The phrase 'thunder thighs' honestly comes to mind, certainly not the svelte thai frame most of us seem to prefer and the famous thigh gap was nowhere to be seen. The only one I saw of mild interest was 163 and was mostly due to her height and long legs. I moved on and checked out a few others but nothing sparked my interest and finally hit Shark. I have always been a fan as the girls generally seem a bit happier and place always seems to do a nice business which sets a good mood. I thought the lineup was better than what I had seen that evening, but only slightly so, and was also partly influenced by my desire to make a choice and get to the horizontal part of the night. I do think that the basic design of Shark allows for seeing virtually all of the girls which I appreciate. This is definitely an issue in many of the other bars where you can't see 25-50% of the girls unless you move or they happen to walk by. Watched a few rotations and narrowed it down to 319 and 336. Invited 336 down for a drink. Slim girl, little taller than average, nice lithe figure, name was Kan. Got a good vibe off of her and went for barfine and found out she is agency / coyote girl and barfine is 1500. Apparently all the girls dressed in black tops / bottoms at Shark are in this category which was about 1/4 – 1/3 the total dancers in the bar. Seems like I remember reading about this in someone's prior report, but this was the first time experiencing it in person and I didn't recall knowing that shark was this way at all. I liked the girl so I bit the bullet and ST price at 2. 5 k. Back in the room she was a winner, good BBBJ, DFK, and a fun session I would consider repeating. Asked if she wanted to stay but seemed only interested in ST which seems to be more rule these days as only had 1 LT the entire trip and I asked every girl. Just be warned that there are two sets of girls at Shark in case you didn't know.
MichaelSamuel
12-10-16, 04:08
I hate when the last activity of any holiday goes south, leaves you at a low point in your trip instead of a high point. This happened to me in my quick September trip when my long time girl threw a complete ***** fit as I was leaving for airport, but that's a whole other story. So my last night in BKK I had lucked into a rare seat at a coveted sushi omakase restaurant which was one of the best meals of my life. The meal went for about 2. 5 hours so it was already after 11 when I made it up to Nana which left less than an hour. I headed straight for Rainbow 3 for girl #10 which I had scoped at the other night. Thankfully she was still there and called her down for some drinks and trying to establish a good rapport and feel her vibe I succumbed to drinks for her friend and mamasan. She had one of the nicest set of natural tits I have seen in Thailand so much so I kept asking if they were real cause I couldn't believe it. After 2 drinks and a decent vibe and wanting to motorboat those puppies I wanted to take her back to the room and do some damage. Ask about LT and she will only do ST and only in the rooms in the plaze despite the fact my room is at the landmark 300 m away. Shit if the landmark put a backdoor in you could walk from the hotel directly into Nana plaza. This set off way too many red flags for me that it was going to be a total waste of money for a 30 min experience, and quite frankly I had no interest in seeing what the rooms there look like when I have 4 star accommodations I already paid for. Tried to get her to bend but no luck whatsoever. She suggested her friend who wasn't nearly as hot as her, but still had that skinny body type I like and a slightly Japanese look with the bangs, but she didn't want to do LT either and too many red flags were going off for me. Settled my ridiculous bill, can't quite recall but over 1 k for maybe 20-25 minutes and headed for mandarin.
I had texted my girl from earlier in the week but hadn't heard so thought I would see if she was there and hadn't seen her phone. Unfortunately she wasn't working that night so no repeat would be possible. Here is where I made my second mistake. I should have considered just waiting till bars closed and checked out who was hanging around or the Nana car park or thermae. I had a drink and a cute dancer was making eyes and suggestions so I had her down for a drink and she seemed eager, unfortunately I misjudged this as her knowing the reality of getting lucky with a barfine at closing in a down market, when it was instead her thinking she could run me for no work and quick money. Hindsight is 20/20. Back to the room and already a bit cold and shower separate, which is not uncommon. But looking up as she is making suggestive poses on the bed. That turned out to be the highlight. Virtually no foreplay and I can't recall if there was any BJ or not, but ok trying to maintain a positive attitude. On with the condom and she is way to dry, I get lube but after no more than a few minutes and 1 position she is complaining and it's not working. I realize this is not going to work and suggest she go, I will give her 1 k which I felt was generous as she had been there not more than 15 minutes and done basically nothing. She balks at that and I tell her going to have to do something if she wants more. She does a shitty BBBJ for maybe another few minutes and then is trying to do a HJ so harsh that I think she is going to tear the skin and still complaining. I have had it and kick her out, first time in 5 years of trips I have ever kicked out a girl so I didn't do this lightly. She is saying nasty things in thai and I tell her she worked in Pattaya (at sweethearts) and now mandarin she should know better. I should have kicked her with less but since there had been some brief sex and BJ and to avoid a bigger conflict gave her 1500 and kicked her out. Honestly this was so bad and I was so angry had it not been my last day I would have been back to complain to mamasan the next day. I was too angry at the money spent between the two bars and my mistakes to even go out and check out any freelancer.
So what did I learn? At the first bar I was way too generous early trying to get a vibe from the girl early on. I feel like I made the right decisions after I started to get the info however. In my opinion any girl only willing to go ST to the Nana rooms (especially at closing) when my 4 start hotel is a 2 min walk is looking to try to set a record on THB per hour earning. At mandarin I just was too quick to pull the trigger and again mistakenly assumed there was some reality to the girls having already been in the mourning period downturn. The downturn in general didn't seem to affect girls whatsoever as was my experience earlier in the week as well.
Having ended the previous evening on a down note I thought maybe I can salvage the end of my Thailand 2016 trip and revisit Patra massage where I got the unexpected FS in September and a little massage before heading to KL. Checked out of hotel and walked down to Pattra but couldn't see my previous girl and the only one I could see was certainly not acceptable. So thought I would walk by Kassalong and those places as I had never been back those Sois. Did a walk by and saw a cute girl outside Kassalong and decided to try my first BJ bar. Girl's name was Yu I think and she did a terrific job. BBBJ by itself is usually very difficult for me to finish, but she had good skill and it clicked and I got to end my Thailand trip on a positive note certainly deserved a little tip which she got. Definitely interested in possibly returning to Kassalong as well next time around, don't know why I never tried these places before.
Asiansexpat
12-10-16, 04:14
I used to spend quite a bit of time in Bangkok in the last but my last trip there was about 2 years ago. So, I'm not sure how things have changed since then.
This time I only got one night next week there and will be staying around Sukhumvit. What I really want is to find 2 girls for an overnight 3 some. What is the best way to go about it without wasting too much time?
I recall that booking from Annie's was about 4 or 5 K per girl overnight, although I never tried that, is that still so? Would that be something that experts here recommend? How reliable is going with the photos on their website?
As I know, Eden is another option but my last experience there wasn't great. Since Mark left that place a few years back, it was going downhill. But again, I don't know. Maybe things have turned around in the last 2 years.
I'm not a big fan of going to bars and would rather not waste the precious little time I will have in Bangkok unless it's still the best way to find what I'm looking for without too much hassle. I'd really appreciate some good advice here and promise to reciprocate with the report afterwards.
I hate when the last activity of any holiday goes south, leaves you at a low point in your trip instead of a high point. This happened to me in my quick September trip when my long time girl threw a complete ***** fit as I was leaving for airport, but that's a whole other story. So my last night in BKK I had lucked into a rare seat at a coveted sushi omakase restaurant which was one of the best meals of my life. The meal went for about 2. 5 hours so it was already after 11 when I made it up to Nana which left less than an hour. I headed straight for Rainbow 3 for girl #10 which I had scoped at the other night. Thankfully she was still there and called her down for some drinks and trying to establish a good rapport and feel her vibe I succumbed to drinks for her friend and mamasan. She had one of the nicest set of natural tits I have seen in Thailand so much so I kept asking if they were real cause I couldn't believe it. After 2 drinks and a decent vibe and wanting to motorboat those puppies I wanted to take her back to the room and do some damage. Ask about LT and she will only do ST and only in the rooms in the plaze despite the fact my room is at the landmark 300 m away. Shit if the landmark put a backdoor in you could walk from the hotel directly into Nana plaza. This set off way too many red flags for me that it was going to be a total waste of money for a 30 min experience, and quite frankly I had no interest in seeing what the rooms there look like when I have 4 star accommodations I already paid for. Tried to get her to bend but no luck whatsoever. She suggested her friend who wasn't nearly as hot as her, but still had that skinny body type I like and a slightly Japanese look with the bangs, but she didn't want to do LT either and too many red flags were going off for me. Settled my ridiculous bill, can't quite recall but over 1 k for maybe 20-25 minutes and headed for mandarin.
This was a very high hassle and pressure place, 3 years ago or so. Worst bar I ever tried in Nana in that way. You confirm the style is to be avoided, I think.
Let me take a wild guess. She possibly had a customer booking lined up for not much later that evening, and hence wanted to rip you off with a real quicky on the premises.
Still prefer the PB hotel off Soi 3.PB maybe very good, however sometimes is not the most conveniently located, when looking to take the girl on a short walk to the room. I am well aware of PB but maybe only ever used it once long ago. The memory of it fades now other than walk back to Sukumvit was a bit long. P. B. is located 1. 3 km (6 minutes) from Thermae by taxi through the back Sois according to Google Maps. So I don't know the PB price either. A buddy of mine was once staying at the PB for 1 or more nights. I don't believe the room had a window. You did not indicate if you actually tried out the newly remodelled looking Atlas.
Atlas may be the cheapest nearest Hotel to Thermae with room is very good standard. Nothing much to dislike about it other than they may charge too much for additional things like water. Miami is closer (but a choice of very much last resort).
Last night had a very nice time with Jane in Asoke Place and was therefore aware it charged 350 Baht also, with an extra towel surcharge for a 2nd girl (if do threesomes). However at least they do not double the price for 2 girls like some rip off places. Jane was skinny and cold so had to set the aircon to at least 25 degrees and switch it off temporarily at shower time.
The main attributes of a ST room for me are: good price, big double bed not too hard or feeling the springs, aircon works and controllable, no bad stenches in the pipes or otherwise, shower water temperature controllable, and don't get hassled on the time too early. Quite a number of places are meeting the basic criteria reasonably well, so then it comes down to price and convenience. Ruamchit Plaza is a bit too costly at 600 Baht or so. They use proximity to Thermae to attempt to charge too much for a ST.
25 years ago I actually stayed at the Miami in order to be located right at the original Thermae Soapy and Coffee shop. It was a run down Hotel in poor repair even back then (but cheap). Took a bunch of southern Thai girls, about 4 of them that all worked in Thermae Soapy, Neung, Noi, Baew and one maybe one more, to continue drinking in my room I think, after returning from a Thai entertainment venue on RamKhamHaeng. The Hotel manager told of the girls for being exuberantly roudy in the Hotel Lobby (late at night), and in southern Thai dialect to make things worse (I could not understand them LOL), as though this was some Hi So Hotel. LOL
... later moved on to Crazy House. Stage was certainly full of girls but was early so plenty of seats. Girls had tops on and skits, but no knickers so was still more than you saw at the other bars during this period. I have to agree with Syz and other recent reports, the lineup is hurting at CH. Honestly I thought a lot of the girls had been hitting McDonalds a little too often. The phrase 'thunder thighs' honestly comes to mind, certainly not the svelte thai frame most of us seem to prefer and the famous thigh gap was nowhere to be seen. My recent visits to CH were rather lacking in Thunder Thighs girls, thankfully. Maybe some of those left if they could not make money. No. 3 has definitely put on weight due to being away too long. Hopefully will lose it again if forgets to eat.
I am in 2 minds about the line up. Seems better than a month ago, with plenty of hot bodies. Perhaps helps that nude dancing is back big time. Girls with really pretty faces are a bit sparse and often does not combine with the great body. A couple of the new girls look good but are shy and a bit too covered up.
CH line up is no where near as good as 2 years ago, and almost all my favourites have been missing, barring the return of Jane last night, one of the in demand types.
Some Long term girls seen: Kratae, Jane (4), Aom / Off / Aor?(3), the dark girl with mega tats and piercings, Boom? (28), Bo (big tits), Taeng Mo (use to wear big glasses). Not that many really. Okay A few others I don't know the name of, but line up is radically different to two years ago, with a lot more surgeries girls these days (still well under 50% fake noses though thankfully).
Long gone stunning girls missed badly are: Nat (C cups), May Lee (B cups), and Donut (A cups).
Still can be fun to have a naked girl on the lap rubbing her pussy on you, if find the right girl. I think Billboard and Twisters line ups are overall better for pretty girls but girls are not naked.
I used to spend quite a bit of time in Bangkok in the last but my last trip there was about 2 years ago. So, I'm not sure how things have changed since then.
This time I only got one night next week there and will be staying around Sukhumvit. What I really want is to find 2 girls for an overnight 3 some. What is the best way to go about it without wasting too much time?
I used to take threesomes regularly although mostly not for full night. They were very successful for me. Sorry to hear you have just the one night. If you happen to get girls that are not living up to your fantasy, I would suggest to maybe terminate and go find a better pair. Hopefully that won't happen though.
My recommendation is to go to Suzie Wong (in Soi Cowboy) at about 9. 45 PM. Ask the mamasan staff about the lesbian show and which girls might do long time threesome. Select one of the girls from the lesbian show and ask her if she can do all night and which girls she likes working with. Best to get girls that like each other as well as you liking them.
Some recommended girls who have done threesomes with me (almost all skinny girls as my preference): Dtom, Knot, Anne (not so skinny), Yao, Naam, perhaps Pat (sister of Knot I did not try), and there are others I did not try.
Suzie Wong threesomes were always great for me, with girls molesting each other as well as me. Getting ball licking at same time as a BBBJ or fucking is really bliss, or having one girl riding me cowgirl with the other sitting on my face. I also like fingering pussy while my dick is in another pussy or fingering two pussies at the same time. Hope you get lucky with the best girl attendance. If Dtom happens to be there, she is the absolute expert for threesomes (since Bo has left).
For Eden lovers, the Suzie W threesomes might be a bit tame since girls don't have strap on dildos etc. Girls do kiss each other on mouth and tits and lick pussies though. Plenty of girls really seem to like sex and I don't detect that much acting.
Hardly ever had a weak threesome from Suzie Wong by selecting from experienced girls that perform or have performed in the past lesbian shows. Always got good kissing and GFE as well. Usually any problems were due to my lack of stamina to fuck multiple girls on odd occasion. Girls will probably expect you to change condoms when changing pussy, which can be a dick deflater on occasion. Wise to take a little bit BBBJ in between changing condoms. So make sure you have plenty of good condoms and lube. I use Durex Comfort (thin big size easy on). Vitamin V to ensure the dick stays up, maybe?
Sometimes I would get girls with quite different sized pussy, one girl very tight, the other more normal size. Anyway pussies are not all exactly the same. I used to find it best to fuck the very tight girls first, when my dick was at its hardest, as I could fuck larger pussy more easily if dick was only 90% hard. This maybe unique to me, I don't know. Guys that are always rock hard, will not have same thinking at all. Anyway, consider which girl has best feeling pussy, in order to plan which girl for the cum shot.
PB maybe very good, however sometimes is not the most conveniently located, when looking to take the girl on a short walk to the room. I am well aware of PB but maybe only ever used it once long ago. The memory of it fades now other than walk back to Sukumvit was a bit long. P. B. is located 1. 3 km (6 minutes) from Thermae by taxi through the back Sois according to Google Maps. So I don't know the PB price either. A buddy of mine was once staying at the PB for 1 or more nights. I don't believe the room had a window. You did not indicate if you actually tried out the newly remodelled looking Atlas.Pretty quick taxi ride. Mirrors on the ceilings and walls. Fun place. Only time I did not use it for gals I would take from Tmae was when the ST hotel was open in Clinton Plaza. Always loved the PB. Have not been to the Atlas. Really like to get away from Suk with the gal. Never liked the vibe of 7/1.
Pretty quick taxi ride. Mirrors on the ceilings and walls. Fun place. Only time I did not use it for gals I would take from Tmae was when the ST hotel was open in Clinton Plaza. Always loved the PB. Have not been to the Atlas. Really like to get away from Suk with the gal. Never liked the vibe of 7/1.Atlas is not that far into Soi 7/1, perhaps opposite Bangkok Beat roughly or Star Inn, so don't have to take in the vibe of the whole soi that much or do the full walk of fame / shame. Nearly everyone at Wood Bar would know my face, but Atlas is well before that. LOL. I certainly would be reluctant to actually stay in Soi 7/1. It almost should a have a label "the sordid Soi". Taking away the Dr. BJ signs did not help that much, having also Eden and Magic Tables, etc. and hookers hanging around the Subway, and touts with their beautiful glossy coloured brochures for Angkara/Oscar/Vilunda Soapy or Cupidy or whatever they use these days (I have not actually looked at the brochure for many many years).
Would be interesting if anyone knows the PB price for ST. I would consider going there with a hot girl just for the mirrors. I had forgotten those. I seem slight difficulty to hail a taxi from the PB at certain times in bad weather, but a very long time ago.
. I seem slight difficulty to hail a taxi from the PB at certain times in bad weather, but a very long time ago.Was supposed to be: I seem to recall slight difficulty to hail a taxi from the PB at certain times in bad weather, but a very long time ago.
Faint memory of waiting at PB and all taxis passing being occupied, and having to walk toward Soi 3 in order to get to an available taxi first. Available taxis reluctant to come past PB perhaps in wrong traffic and weather circumstances. In the modern day would be better as could use Taxi Grab App.
I checked out the three BJ bars Som's Haven, Loli's and Kasalong early this evening but didn't partake.
First stop was Som's Haven. This one had the most girls with the greatest variety of ages, from early 20's to way past retirement age (for their occupation). Bizarrely though the girls all acted like complete bitches. A BJ bar is the last place you'd expect attitudes like that. I stood outside the bar to take a look at the girls and there were 3 who were my spec, young and not fat. But as I made eye contact they just gave me this 'what the fuck are you staring at?' look which was totally off-putting. So this old lady comes up to me from behind and invites me into the bar. She was so old I thought she must be the mamasan and I would go in and discuss my requirements with her. But when I got in she asked if I wanted a drink. I replied that I didn't want a drink, I wanted a girl. At that she decided to have a hissy fit, asking why I'd agreed to go in the bar with her if I didn't want her to 'take care of me'. So I went outside again to make my choice and was planning to choose any of those 3 girls who showed any interest at all, maybe a smile or a few words. But all I got was bitchy looks, one even swigging her whisky and turning away from me. WTF? That bar has obviously turned to shit through poor management so I moved on.
Next stop was Loli's. The selection here was quite good, better than last time I looked when there were only fatties. Some girls were early or mid 20's and were quite doable. Importantly, they were also polite and did their best to entice me, but I saw nothing special so moved on to Kasalong. I think this bar suffers from being over-hyped in online reviews. I've read reviews of 'stunning' young girls with amazing service but the one time I'd been before the girl was a disappointment both in terms of looks and service. The girls here were equal to Loli's in terms of looks but there were few of them. They also had pleasant attitudes and tried to entice me in but again I didn't see anything special so decided to give it a miss.
I'm not a big fan of these places anyway. The girls beg for a tip so in reality you're paying 1000 baht for one hole and 30 minutes. In a PSE oily you get 3 holes in an hour for 1900 which seems to be much better value. If you're desperate for a 1000 baht blow job though, Loli's and Kasalong are perfectly good choices but avoid Som's Haven.
Who. Man,
LOL. There seems to be an attitude at some places that looks do not matter and only skills count when chosing a service provider. So why would you need to check them out in detail? 556.
Atlas is not that far into Soi 7/1, perhaps opposite Bangkok Beat roughly or Star Inn, so don't have to take in the vibe of the whole soi that much or do the full walk of fame / shame. Nearly everyone at Wood Bar would know my face, but Atlas is well before that. LOL. I certainly would be reluctant to actually stay in Soi 7/1. It almost should a have a label "the sordid Soi". Taking away the Dr. BJ signs did not help that much, having also Eden and Magic Tables, etc. and hookers hanging around the Subway, and touts with their beautiful glossy coloured brochures for Angkara/Oscar/Vilunda Soapy or Cupidy or whatever they use these days (I have not actually looked at the brochure for many many years).
Would be interesting if anyone knows the PB price for ST. I would consider going there with a hot girl just for the mirrors. I had forgotten those. I seem slight difficulty to hail a taxi from the PB at certain times in bad weather, but a very long time ago.Update on Soi 7/1. The carts selling goods are in first part of Soi 7/1 in front of Vasu and opposite Subway, and a few stalls still operate in Sukhumvit on store frontage. The next on the right is Bangkok Beat but it is closed down. Immediately after Bangkok Beat is the Aspira Hotel. It used to be Star Inn I guess but renovated. Opposite Aspira is Atlas, also renovated and World Inn is gone. After Atlas is Caribbean Food restaurant. further down Bai Fern massage. There used to be an Aussie Sports but I did not see it, perhaps further down. After Aspira is Shots bar and a couple of spots after that is Eden Club.
The Soi looks very changed.
Used Atlas for ST again today with freelancer. She is a mother and pussy is not that small. Its good for me she can take cock very deep and long duration and has a nice soft feel.
We got a knock on the door just as we had finished, at probably the 75 min mark. Today the room was not renovated, so a lower standard room than what I got last time for same price 350 Baht. Was still quite acceptable room for a fuck and the air con worked well. Bed not hard. Shower works. That is all I need really. Room was still better than Di Place near Nana and miles in front of ST rooms in Nana Plaza. One guy with a LB goes down the Soi. Another guy is coming out of the Soi with both a LB and a real girl (I think). Anyway its still somewhat the sordid Soi, also known as Soi Eden.
I started to pick up this notion that Coyotes get different salaries per month compared to gogo girls, may be expected to sell more drinks, etc. It appears they usually or sometimes, do not actually work directly for the owner of the bar. There maybe some sort of contract arrangement. Where a large numbers of so called Coyotes works for some boss lady, and that boss supplies them to bars. The coyotes may get assigned to different bars and move from place to place.
I got a hint of this before tonight and more info tonight, even though was very confusing.
I went in this bar called formerly Jail Birdz and was told it is being renamed to Butterflys. It was sold to Billboard owners not that long ago. Line up was so so a few reasonable looking girls.
A gogo girl called Ni was talking to me. I know her from Doll House several years ago. Mamasan Lek also comes from Doll House. I am trying to pick the Coyote girls out based on outfit. Wrong. By dancing style. Also wrong. Ni tells me that gogo girls have a 2 digit number and that Coyotes have a 3 digit number. Unrelated to whether the girls is wearing cut off jean shorts, or a bikini, or girls in the suds bath area may be topless but still "Coyotes" since they have a 3 digit number. Crazy, right? Apparently gogo girls work for the bar mamasan, but Coyote girls have a mama that is outside of the bar who provides them to the bar, not provided by a pimp, or perhaps the "mama" is a pimp of sorts.
I never saw topless girls supposed to be Coyotes till today, I believe. Barfines for Coyotes and Gogo girls are the same in this bar, but prices girls set maybe different. Who knows? I did not do a survey of fuck prices. Some of the Coyotes are ugly, or have a bad figure, and almost none of them can dance proper Coyote style. Most girls are doing disco like dancing to crappy disco like "music".
So it seems so many girls are classifying themselves higher as a Coyote but they seem to be total unqualified to do so. It's all a bit of a wank, in my view. They are all just plain gogo girls in my mind, and sometimes extra plain. I did not actually want to BF any of the so called Coyotes so its a bit academic. One or two girls appealed for either the face or for the body, but was very difficult to find the "full package".
This bar was far less fun for me than the tiny Toy Bar at Cowboy. It is Billboard's poor sister bar. I recommend guys to try Twisters or Billboard for a better line up.
Before going to the bar, I watched some Arsenal football in Stumble Inn. I made the mistake or order a burger there with extra Blue Cheese, mushrooms, and fried Onions. The burger was terrible. A lot more expensive than the Cowboy Burger stand and no where near as good. The beef patty was a bit too thick but well over cooked and crumbly. The cheese, onions and Mushrooms all lacked flavour. The mushrooms are those silly tasteless straw mushrooms. Pointless. Champignons or Portobello would be better. Even the ham / bacon had no taste. Totally no understanding of western food. Burger was stacked very high making it impractical to eat without disintegrating it first. Salad was soso but covered in Mayo which I don't like. So I suggest don't order western food at Stumble Inn. Waste of money. I have had good burgers elsewhere but not at Nana.
...So what did I learn? At the first bar I was way too generous early trying to get a vibe from the girl early on. I feel like I made the right decisions after I started to get the info however. In my opinion any girl only willing to go ST to the Nana rooms (especially at closing) when my 4 start hotel is a 2 min walk is looking to try to set a record on THB per hour earning. At mandarin I just was too quick to pull the trigger and again mistakenly assumed there was some reality to the girls having already been in the mourning period downturn. The downturn in general didn't seem to affect girls whatsoever as was my experience earlier in the week as well...Thanks for the excellent reports, full of details, an enjoyable read for sure!
So what did I learn? At the first bar I was way too generous early trying to get a vibe from the girl early on. I feel like I made the right decisions after I started to get the info however. In my opinion any girl only willing to go ST to the Nana rooms (especially at closing) when my 4 start hotel is a 2 min walk is looking to try to set a record on THB per hour earning. At mandarin I just was too quick to pull the trigger and again mistakenly assumed there was some reality to the girls having already been in the mourning period downturn. The downturn in general didn't seem to affect girls whatsoever as was my experience earlier in the week as well.
After many many years at it, I have learned not to pull the trigger very fast with bargirls, or accept the risk if you do. I prefer to meet girls more than once now before pulling the trigger, if possible. If the girl is drop dead gorgeous, being slow to pull the trigger is a sure way to miss out, so I have to vary the rules. LOL The Thermae is a bad place for me, because the best looking girls get taken very quickly and there is little time to sit to get to know them. In a gogo bar it is much more acceptable to spend time sitting with a girl to get to know her attitudes, although we are expected to buy her drinks.
I had a great fuck with a cheaper free lancer today. The first time with her, the kissing was quite weak but she was overall okay I have cultivated her though, and now the third booking, the kissing was greatly improved. We take it slower now and she was horny today with no fuck for a while before tonight.
Would be interesting if anyone knows the PB price for ST. I would consider going there with a hot girl just for the mirrors. I had forgotten those. I seem slight difficulty to hail a taxi from the PB at certain times in bad weather, but a very long time ago.Might be outdated info since the last time I used PB Hotel was about 2 1/2 years ago. But I remember being impressed that an all night stay there was quoted at only 800 baht. As for Short Time, I vaguely recall that it was a tiny bit more than other ST hotels in that area at 300-350 baht (World Inn then being one of them) but better value, so the PB was probably no more than 400 baht for ST. It wasn't as much as 500 baht back then. Since the ST rate at most of the other hotels around there hasen't changed all that much since then, I would assume neither has the PB. But, again, it has been more than a couple of years.
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