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Would be interesting if anyone knows the PB price for ST. I would consider going there with a hot girl just for the mirrors. I had forgotten those. I seem slight difficulty to hail a taxi from the PB at certain times in bad weather, but a very long time ago.Might be outdated info since the last time I used PB Hotel was about 2 1/2 years ago. But I remember being impressed that an all night stay there was quoted at only 800 baht. As for Short Time, I vaguely recall that it was a tiny bit more than other ST hotels in that area at 300-350 baht (World Inn then being one of them) but better value, so the PB was probably no more than 400 baht for ST. It wasn't as much as 500 baht back then. Since the ST rate at most of the other hotels around there hasen't changed all that much since then, I would assume neither has the PB. But, again, it has been more than a couple of years.
First stop was Som's Haven. This one had the most girls with the greatest variety of ages, from early 20's to way past retirement age (for their occupation). Bizarrely though the girls all acted like complete bitches. A BJ bar is the last place you'd expect attitudes like that. I stood outside the bar to take a look at the girls and there were 3 who were my spec, young and not fat. But as I made eye contact they just gave me this 'what the fuck are you staring at?' look which was totally off-putting. So this old lady comes up to me from behind and invites me into the bar. She was so old I thought she must be the mamasan and I would go in and discuss my requirements with her. But when I got in she asked if I wanted a drink. I replied that I didn't want a drink, I wanted a girl. At that she decided to have a hissy fit, asking why I'd agreed to go in the bar with her if I didn't want her to 'take care of me'. So I went outside again to make my choice and was planning to choose any of those 3 girls who showed any interest at all, maybe a smile or a few words. But all I got was bitchy looks, one even swigging her whisky and turning away from me. WTF? That bar has obviously turned to shit through poor management so I moved on.Yes, it is a shame that owner / mamasan Som has slacked off on her originally fine management of her place. I used to go there all the time and rarely had less than an excellent experience. Som was always present and mindful of making sure I got well taken care of by the best of the new girls and so on. She would exchange a few words in Thai (that I didn't understand at the time, but might now) with the girl as we entered the door to walk up the steps that seemed to set them up for a very agreeable, hassle-free, no nonsense attitude in the 1,700 baht ST room I usually opted for.
But the few times I have stopped in there over the past several months, Som has not been there most of the time and when she was not there, like you, I was not inspired to take a girl. Got that strange negative vibe you mentioned. Sounds like she wasn't there the night you stopped in, too. And even when she has been there, she seems not to know or care if the girl all over me would be right for my style, which she knows very well, or not and therefore offers no indication that I would be making a wise choice or should try this other one instead. Too often more recently at Som's Haven, it has not been a wise choice for me. But I still prefer the place over other such venues so will return and try again I suppose.
Who. Man,
LOL. There seems to be an attitude at some places that looks do not matter and only skills count when chosing a service provider. So why would you need to check them out in detail? 556.LOL. Yes, that does seem to be a prevailing attitude. At least, an attitude that is stated in conversation whether or not it actually prevails at choosing time. But I have never understood that attitude. In fact, in terms of facial attractiveness, it is more important for me to choose a "pretty" girl for blowjob than for FS where as I can understand choosing a girl with a better body for FS. After all, a girl's face wouldn't make much difference when in doggie or reverse cowgirl position. Actually, it might not even make much difference when in missionary position if it is one of those Thai girls who must turn her face and head away while you are working it rather than look you in the eyes or, wonder of wonders, be kissing you on the lips during. But with a blowjob you are going to be looking at her face way more than at her body and likely more than during many position for FS, no?
Would be interesting if anyone knows the PB price for ST. I would consider going there with a hot girl just for the mirrors. I had forgotten those. I seem slight difficulty to hail a taxi from the PB at certain times in bad weather, but a very long time ago.PB was 360. Been a few months since I have been there.
Eszpresszo
12-11-16, 01:40
After School was the BJ bar you were looking for. Also, you dated one "not pretty" woman and fucked a "not pretty" woman and a "mature" woman. Why go to all the trouble to come to Thailand and not fuck young, pretty girls?Who said I didn't. That report was only one night on my trip. This one FL happened to be only modestly attractive, and for me Thailand is about lots more things than fucking the prettiest girls. After all, there are ample pretty girls in Colombia, which is a easier, cheaper plane ride with an even better exchange rate (as well as bland food). But, I will look forward to you posting photos of the beauties that you strictly dated in the Land of Smiles. You are going to post those photos of all the Thai women you have slept with, right?
I started to pick up this notion that Coyotes get different salaries per month compared to gogo girls, may be expected to sell more drinks, etc. It appears they usually or sometimes, do not actually work directly for the owner of the bar. There maybe some sort of contract arrangement. Where a large numbers of so called Coyotes works for some boss lady, and that boss supplies them to bars. The coyotes may get assigned to different bars and move from place to place.
I got a hint of this before tonight and more info tonight, even though was very confusing.
I went in this bar called formerly Jail Birdz and was told it is being renamed to Butterflys. It was sold to Billboard owners not that long ago. Line up was so so a few reasonable looking girls.
A gogo girl called Ni was talking to me. I know her from Doll House several years ago. Mamasan Lek also comes from Doll House. I am trying to pick the Coyote girls out based on outfit. Wrong. By dancing style. Also wrong. Ni tells me that gogo girls have a 2 digit number and that Coyotes have a 3 digit number. Unrelated to whether the girls is wearing cut off jean shorts, or a bikini, or girls in the suds bath area may be topless but still "Coyotes" since they have a 3 digit number. Crazy, right? Apparently gogo girls work for the bar mamasan, but Coyote girls have a mama that is outside of the bar who provides them to the bar, not provided by a pimp, or perhaps the "mama" is a pimp of sorts.
I never saw topless girls supposed to be Coyotes till today, I believe. Barfines for Coyotes and Gogo girls are the same in this bar, but prices girls set maybe different. Who knows? I did not do a survey of fuck prices. Some of the Coyotes are ugly, or have a bad figure, and almost none of them can dance proper Coyote style. Most girls are doing disco like dancing to crappy disco like "music".
So it seems so many girls are classifying themselves higher as a Coyote but they seem to be total unqualified to do so. It's all a bit of a wank, in my view. They are all just plain gogo girls in my mind, and sometimes extra plain. I did not actually want to BF any of the so called Coyotes so its a bit academic. One or two girls appealed for either the face or for the body, but was very difficult to find the "full package".Of course, the system with the bar hiring the agency (then the agency, not the bar, hiring and supplying the Coyotes) has been going on for quite some time. But the confusing part about what you discovered was the supposed agency Coyotes at Jail Birdz / Butterflies don't have a higher barfine rate than the other girls at 700/1000 baht or whatever the regular barfine rate is there. That is odd. Usually the agency girls / Coyotes' barfine rate is substantially higher than that of the go-go bar's regular girls. Like 3,000 baht vs 700 baht, as it is at Cowboy 2 Bar on Soi Cowboy. But that is perhaps not the case with the Nana Plaza Coyote system which is where Jail Birdz / Butterflies is located.
I have instead heard Coyote /"Special" girl barfine rates quoted at 1,500 baht vs 700 baht in a few Nana Plaza bars and, actually, I am not even sure if the girls sometimes referred to as "Special" girls in places like the two Mandarin bars are agency girls or girls hired directly by the bar, hence the hesitation to call them "Coyotes" rather than "Special" girls.
But on your point about the girls at Jail Birdz / Butterflies classifying themselves as "Coyotes" while offering no apparent advantage over their regular girls in youth, looks, dancing ability or whatever, that might instead feed into my growing assessment for what constitutes a "Special" (Coyote?) girl in some Nana Plaza bars vs what constitutes a Coyote in some Soi Cowboy bars.
My experience over the past couple of years has been that "Special" girls in Nana Plaza bars, the ones with the 3-digit badge number or designated as "Special" by the bar in that they charge 1,500 baht barfine to take one out vs the regular 700 baht barfine rate, offer a more hassle-free, Real GFE or are potentially up for whatever might be considered "special" service from a go-go girl, if asked about it prior to deciding to barfine (also A+? Threesomes?). For my money, that trumps dancing ability. IMO, you can keep your extra hot stage dancing, I don't need it, it does nothing for me in the room. But for "special" service as agreed upon in the bar with far less risk of an unpleasant surprise Jekyll and Hyde transformation in my room? Then I'm in for the extra 800 baht on the barfine.
Eszpresszo
12-11-16, 02:08
Hi Axiata,
Thank you for an informative report. Too bad with Thermae I'm into the Japanese look myself so I too regret their bias towards non-Asians.
Any tips on how to close the deal at Mixx? I'm not very comfortable in clubs so I normally avoid them, but I have had trouble finding nice girls for overnight stays in Bangkok so I am willing to give it a go.
You left out info on prices, was that on purpose?
Thanks again for tips.I don't think there is such a bias against non-Asians. I walked out of there with a girl while the remainder of the Asian male patrons just sat there. And the girls waiting around were just delighted, like a girl doesn't happen very often. It was like Richard Gere taking Debra Winger out of of the factory in "An Officer and a Gentleman. " Quite simply, Thermae is like a nightly meeting for failed prostitutes, or "Anonymous". These girls are just wasting their time. And your time too. But, the bar makes money in the process and don't even need to hire wait staff. Its a cash cow for the bar owners, and that is why it is there. Its not there because its a good option for mongers. For me, it was an extra convenient way to take a girl up to my room.
The thing is that Japanese have obviously paid too much in the past, and the girls in Thermae are probably chasing some fantasy of getting a lot and doing very little. I was talking to this girl I took upstairs when I heard a Japanese patron next to me ask another girl in plain English "How much for two hours?" She replied, "Two hours? 6 thousand for two hours". He didn't bite. I told the girl, why did he ask for two hours, he is only good for three minutes, and you know what she did? She laughed and nodded her head. She admitted to me what we heard about the Japanese is true. And the other girls have heard that, as well. They are chasing the dream, whereas the one that went with me was making a sale. Just stand outside at closing time and there will be lots of more motivated sellers. Lots of cute girl in the same getup you are thinking about, but also beware of Ladyboys mixed in among them.
Eszpresszo
12-11-16, 02:56
I think the lists of importance that we've all been posting are quite interesting.
I wonder how some of the girls make money, but these lists help me understand. Different tastes and whatnot.
My single biggest turn off is negotiation. I don't know how people do it. If a girl quotes me an unusually high price, I am instantly turned-off; it's almost a feeling of disgust. However, some of you handle it like studs. Mongers are a diverse set of individuals.Thank you! Yes, we are a diverse set of individuals. And we have different tastes and different needs. Some guys find black women unattractive, while others will take on the dangers of Africa to wallow in them. Some guys (like myself) don't like white girls too much, while others live for the palest women from Eastern Europe. Lets enjoy our differences and not try and foist our ideals and objectives on others.
Negotiation? Yes, its a art, but I'm from a sales background and I'm cool with it. What slightly annoys me is those who won't negotiate when the price is too high. But, I don't think that hard about it. Those who won't negotiate, are usually the ones who are the worst value, or have the least to offer. I remember on my first night, when a young hottie on Soi 11, tried to pimp off her mousy girlfriend for 2000 baht, for one measly hour. I know the going rate on the street is 1000, and I offered 1000 to see what she said. They looked at other, and grinned and I think they wanted to bust out laughing. They thought it was silly. So did I. She was a 500 baht girl in my mind. With the streets flooded with motivated sellers, later that evening, I don't their business partnership was a very lucrative one. Unrealistic business objectives are never successful anywhere in the world.
So, just stand your grand when you negotiate. Be Donald Trump for that one moment. It worked for me at Thermae (a place I will likely never visit again). Know what you will pay, and know what they are worth. And they will respect you for that if they are ready to do business. Even when you try to negotiate them down a bit, the girl who knows what she is worth will stand her ground on her price. And if its a fair price, there is nothing wrong with paying it. If the goods are delivered, then you both walk away happy.
Bangkok1994
12-11-16, 04:47
Hello esteemed members of the forum,
I would firstly like to thank all of you for all your contributions over the years, I started my mongering career 3 years ago in Bangkok at a tender age of 17 when visiting with friends. Over the years have got great memories and experiences but always stuck with oilies and soapies. The African beauties near Nana all the way to Soi 15 intrigues me and have always wanted to try but quite scared to. After reading the forum quite a bit, couldn't find much about them, Anyone could weigh in? Expected cost for LT and safety concerns? Thank you so much kind people, many reports on the way once I finish my upcoming one week trip. Live long and prosper.
Of course, the system with the bar hiring the agency (then the agency, not the bar, hiring and supplying the Coyotes) has been going on for quite some time. But the confusing part about what you discovered was the supposed agency Coyotes at Jail Birdz / Butterflies don't have a higher barfine rate than the other girls at 700/1000 baht or whatever the regular barfine rate is there. That is odd. Usually the agency girls / Coyotes' barfine rate is substantially higher than that of the go-go bar's regular girls. Like 3,000 baht vs 700 baht, as it is at Cowboy 2 Bar on Soi Cowboy. But that is perhaps not the case with the Nana Plaza Coyote system which is where Jail Birdz / Butterflies is located.
I have instead heard Coyote /"Special" girl barfine rates quoted at 1,500 baht vs 700 baht in a few Nana Plaza bars and, actually, I am not even sure if the girls sometimes referred to as "Special" girls in places like the two Mandarin bars are agency girls or girls hired directly by the bar, hence the hesitation to call them "Coyotes" rather than "Special" girls.
But on your point about the girls at Jail Birdz / Butterflies classifying themselves as "Coyotes" while offering no apparent advantage over their regular girls in youth, looks, dancing ability or whatever, that might instead feed into my growing assessment for what constitutes a "Special" (Coyote?) girl in some Nana Plaza bars vs what constitutes a Coyote in some Soi Cowboy bars.
Still it was very surprising to have topless "Coyote" girls.
My experience over the past couple of years has been that "Special" girls in Nana Plaza bars, the ones with the 3-digit badge number or designated as "Special" by the bar in that they charge 1,500 baht barfine to take one out vs the regular 700 baht barfine rate, offer a more hassle-free, Real GFE or are potentially up for whatever might be considered "special" service from a go-go girl, if asked about it prior to deciding to barfine (also A+? Threesomes?). For my money, that trumps dancing ability. IMO, you can keep your extra hot stage dancing, I don't need it, it does nothing for me in the room. But for "special" service as agreed upon in the bar with far less risk of an unpleasant surprise Jekyll and Hyde transformation in my room? Then I'm in for the extra 800 baht on the barfine.It occurs to me that it is well possible that some things I was told are not actually correct, especially about the barfine being the same for Coyotes and Gogo girls at Jail Birdz / Butterflies. I recall now that when I asked the question, the girl spoke to another member of staff, probably to ask the same question of someone else. Maybe they both did not really know the correct answer, even though thee gogo girl said she worked there 1 year.
Sometimes we get fed mis-information.
Roaming Viking
12-11-16, 06:21
Thanks. I am headed to BKK next week and was wondering if my old girlfriend Anne is still at L* I only did BJ last couple of times but know she is up for more action upstairs. Anyone know if she has a nice little Bush? I like that but don't mind if girl is cleanshaven w / o stubb. Any tips on providers at * and KL. Thanks.
I checked out the three BJ bars Som's Haven, Loli's and Kasalong early this evening but didn't partake.
First stop was Som's Haven. This one had the most girls with the greatest variety of ages, from early 20's to way past retirement age (for their occupation). Bizarrely though the girls all acted like complete bitches. A BJ bar is the last place you'd expect attitudes like that. I stood outside the bar to take a look at the girls and there were 3 who were my spec, young and not fat. But as I made eye contact they just gave me this 'what the fuck are you staring at?' look which was totally off-putting. So this old lady comes up to me from behind and invites me into the bar. She was so old I thought she must be the mamasan and I would go in and discuss my requirements with her. But when I got in she asked if I wanted a drink. I replied that I didn't want a drink, I wanted a girl. At that she decided to have a hissy fit, asking why I'd agreed to go in the bar with her if I didn't want her to 'take care of me'. So I went outside again to make my choice and was planning to choose any of those 3 girls who showed any interest at all, maybe a smile or a few words. But all I got was bitchy looks, one even swigging her whisky and turning away from me. WTF? That bar has obviously turned to shit through poor management so I moved on.
Next stop was Loli's. The selection here was quite good, better than last time I looked when there were only fatties. Some girls were early or mid 20's and were quite doable. Importantly, they were also polite and did their best to entice me, but I saw nothing special so moved on to Kasalong. I think this bar suffers from being over-hyped in online reviews. I've read reviews of 'stunning' young girls with amazing service but the one time I'd been before the girl was a disappointment both in terms of looks and service. The girls here were equal to Loli's in terms of looks but there were few of them. They also had pleasant attitudes and tried to entice me in but again I didn't see anything special so decided to give it a miss.
I'm not a big fan of these places anyway. The girls beg for a tip so in reality you're paying 1000 baht for one hole and 30 minutes. In a PSE oily you get 3 holes in an hour for 1900 which seems to be much better value. If you're desperate for a 1000 baht blow job though, Loli's and Kasalong are perfectly good choices but avoid Som's Haven.
Thanks. I am headed to BKK next week and was wondering if my old girlfriend Anne is still at L* I only did BJ last couple of times but know she is up for more action upstairs. Anyone know if she has a nice little Bush? I like that but don't mind if girl is cleanshaven w / o stubb. Any tips on providers at * and KL. Thanks.Last time I visited a few months ago, I was told that Anne was not there anymore. Miss her cute Ass. I have not checked if she returned.
Hello esteemed members of the forum,
I would firstly like to thank all of you for all your contributions over the years, I started my mongering career 3 years ago in Bangkok at a tender age of 17 when visiting with friends. Over the years have got great memories and experiences but always stuck with oilies and soapies. The African beauties near Nana all the way to Soi 15 intrigues me and have always wanted to try but quite scared to. After reading the forum quite a bit, couldn't find much about them, Anyone could weigh in? Expected cost for LT and safety concerns? Thank you so much kind people, many reports on the way once I finish my upcoming one week trip. Live long and prosper.It's usually considered polite to make a field report on a forum such as this before coming out with questions, particularly those with answers you can find by using the search function. Type in "African" and you'll find your answers.
Thanks. I am headed to BKK next week and was wondering if my old girlfriend Anne is still at L* I only did BJ last couple of times but know she is up for more action upstairs. Anyone know if she has a nice little Bush? I like that but don't mind if girl is cleanshaven w / o stubb. Any tips on providers at * and KL. Thanks.I don't recall a great deal of pussy hair if any. She could certainly be a good fuck although got more full service customers than she wanted at times. Her body was a bit too good to be just a BJ girl.
Her BJ was not top class at all due to braces on teeth perhaps. She was better for FS in my view. Really great ass, round and right. All a bit immaterial if she remains long gone. Wonderful.doggy LOL.
It occurs to me that it is well possible that some things I was told are not actually correct, especially about the barfine being the same for Coyotes and Gogo girls at Jail Birdz / Butterflies. I recall now that when I asked the question, the girl spoke to another member of staff, probably to ask the same question of someone else. Maybe they both did not really know the correct answer, even though thee gogo girl said she worked there 1 year.
Sometimes we get fed mis-information.You know, now that I have returned to this forum and topic, I vaguely remember asking a Jail Birdz girl who sat next to me a few weeks ago when I stopped in (back when I pretty much dismissed the line up that night because it was well below average with only 1 exception and I posted about it here) what the barfine was and I believe she said 1,500 baht. To which I replied something like, "Oh, you're a "Special" girl?", thinking this Nana Plaza bar was copying the Mandarin program. She didn't seem to know what I was talking about, didn't confirm and I dropped it since I wasn't interested in barfining her anyway but just curious. I had totally forgotten that brief conversation and only now vaguely recall that it took place in Jail Birdz. But they might have changed the program since then along with the upcoming name change of the place.
You know, now that I have returned to this forum and topic, I vaguely remember asking a Jail Birdz girl who sat next to me a few weeks ago when I stopped in (back when I pretty much dismissed the line up that night because it was well below average with only 1 exception and I posted about it here) what the barfine was and I believe she said 1,500 baht. To which I replied something like, "Oh, you're a "Special" girl?", thinking this Nana Plaza bar was copying the Mandarin program. She didn't seem to know what I was talking about, didn't confirm and I dropped it since I wasn't interested in barfining her anyway but just curious. I had totally forgotten that brief conversation and only now vaguely recall that it took place in Jail Birdz. But they might have changed the program since then along with the upcoming name change of the place.Majes sense the 3 digit number girls BF could be 1500 and the gogo 2 digits numbers BF is 700. Very few girls had two digit numbers abd these tended to be girls showing wear and tear and older possibly all mothers.
I agree the standard of the Coyotes was not that great, one or two had nice face or nice body but not both, and none were skilled Coyote dancers.
Both Nana and Cowboy are starting to get over run with joke Coyotes, in other words I don't regard too many of as qualified to be called Coyotes no matter what outfit or number or BF.
I have met the odd gorgeous Coyote Palm and Mercury used to have Anna a cute and very skilled dancer who I did fuck and she was good, but these are exceptions. Its mostly BS coyotes.
I don't see myself wasting any more time at Jail Birdz as the line up is well behind Billboard and Twisters, coyotes or not. RB5 I don't like. Just not my type of girls.
Most of my current regular girls are not currently officially working anywhere. So mostly private hook ups. I have variety of one stunner with average service, one exotic girl with superb service, a cheap freelancer who is very good fuck and suck, but a bit behind in looks, and a few spare bargirls all slim types who fuck good. One or two regular MP girls or better to say semi regular.
MP girls is not my first thought at the moment. My regular MP girls are generally good but not really strongly competitive for looks and service combination. My non MP girls are better in one way or another for GFE sex. I don't feel an urgency to see any MP girls as it is not PSE I go for.
My next thought is to try Escort in the New Year if I can find a good natural one or two, since I never really did it before. Bam on one site looks a good candidate. I can save money by not attending bars too often.
Pussycheck
12-11-16, 18:29
I'd like to know if the (Thai) freelancing girls in nightclubs and discotheques in Pattaya, e. G. Mixx or Insomnia are in general better looking, give a better service at a lower price compared to the ones in Bangkok, e. G. Mixx or Insanity.
I was in Bangkok only two weeks ago and visited there Spasso, Mixx and Insanity. In Spasso and Mixx was a crowd of freelancing girls from all over the world. In Insanity the majority was Thai. All three clubs had a good selection. Only prices are quite high. Here are the average overnight prices: Spasso (12,000 THB), Mixx (10,000 THB) and Insanity (5,000 THB).
Asian Rain
12-11-16, 18:46
I would firstly like to thank all of you for all your contributions over the years, I started my mongering career 3 years ago in Bangkok at a tender age of 17 when visiting with friends. Over the years have got great memories and experiences but always stuck with oilies and soapies. The African beauties near Nana all the way to Soi 15 intrigues me and have always wanted to try but quite scared to. After reading the forum quite a bit, couldn't find much about them, Anyone could weigh in? Expected cost for LT and safety concerns? Thank you so much kind people, many reports on the way once I finish my upcoming one week trip. Live long and prosper.I have found them to be very personable and they are reasonably motivated as they are visitors, so they have to monetize their time in the playing field. A few I have seen have been absolutely stunning to my eyes, with others of the herd on the other side of the looks spectrum (again, in my eyes). I have not partaken, but I have stopped to chat with a few. My only advice if you take them is to negotiate what you want up front (kissing, BBBJ, etc.) and ensure price (all the girls I talked to were around 2000-2500 b for ST). If a girl starts me off with no kissing and CBJ (which in my particular case happened), it is a non-starter. I have seen one positive report from a reliable poster (Cunning Stunt), so they must have some decent providers in the batch. If you try your luck, give us a report and tell us how it went. Good luck and enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.
Member #4591
12-11-16, 19:08
I'd like to know if the (Thai) freelancing girls in nightclubs and discotheques in Pattaya, e. G. Mixx or Insomnia are in general better looking, give a better service at a lower price compared to the ones in Bangkok, e. G. Mixx or Insanity.
I was in Bangkok only two weeks ago and visited there Spasso, Mixx and Insanity. In Spasso and Mixx was a crowd of freelancing girls from all over the world. In Insanity the majority was Thai. All three clubs had a good selection. Only prices are quite high. Here are the average overnight prices: Spasso (12,000 THB), Mixx (10,000 THB) and Insanity (5,000 THB).Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. Mixx is average 4500-6000, Spasso 4,500-8,000 K, however, I have gotten less on occasion. Insanity previously Insomnia was never 5,000 LT, more like 2,500-3,500. May I ask what time you went? What's your nationality? How old are you? How were you dressed? Were you alone? Often ladies ask more for people they don't like just to discourage them. If by the odd chance the punter agrees, it's a windfall for them and they can overlook whatever it was they didn't like about you for the extra money. It could also be because you were too early. These are just my honest opinions. Did you try Climax by the way? Prices there are 2,500-3,000 LT.
Bangkok is generally a little more expensive than Pattaya for the freelance market but the prices you were quoted are no where near a good reflection of the normal freelance LT rates in Bangkok.
Member #4698
12-11-16, 19:21
Mixx is average 4500-6000, Spasso 4,500-8,000 K, however, I have gotten less on occasion. Insanity previously Insomnia was never 5,000 LT, more like 2,500-3,500. One time a pretty Spasso FL quoted me $400. I laughed and said I only talk Baht. Then I said, I will give you 4,000 baht for a couple of hours and she accepted without batting an eye. Was it miss communication or was she checking my street cred? I don't know. She was a good looking, well dressed, elegant, 30 something Thai woman. The session turned out very nice. She stayed untill 4 am. I liked her so I tipped her 500 baht.
My next thought is to try Escort in the New Year if I can find a good natural one or two, since I never really did it before. Bam on one site looks a good candidate. I can save money by not attending bars too often.When I can find a spare day / night from the current stable, I would like to test out my first escort experience as well. I'll want to skip at least one day prior in order to really give the girl a fair shot at impressing me and getting my money's worth for the likely inflated price for the P4P part. LOL. And when I do pull the trigger on my first escort experience I am now inclined to try smooci.com.
An experienced fellow in his early 50's I met through these websites has been trying it lately and said that, at least with the couple of girls he has met so far, the photos were pretty accurate and the service was fine, no unpleasant surprises. I like that there is a box for Special Requests, which I assume could be used to exchange Line info, share photos and hash out whatever particulars beyond the usual stated options one might desire along with any added costs before booking the actual face-to-face meeting.
Member #4591
12-12-16, 06:04
When I can find a spare day / night from the current stable, I would like to test out my first escort experience as well. I'll want to skip at least one day prior in order to really give the girl a fair shot at impressing me and getting my money's worth for the likely inflated price for the P4P part. LOL. And when I do pull the trigger on my first escort experience I am now inclined to try smooci.com.
An experienced fellow in his early 50's I met through these websites has been trying it lately and said that, at least with the couple of girls he has met so far, the photos were pretty accurate and the service was fine, no unpleasant surprises. I like that there is a box for Special Requests, which I assume could be used to exchange Line info, share photos and hash out whatever particulars beyond the usual stated options one might desire along with any added costs before booking the actual face-to-face meeting.Great looking site but if you check out the ladies, they have their original escort agency website. That inclines me to believe this site is just charging to compile the best escorts from other agencies. I would suggest you book through the agency directly.
Great looking site but if you check out the ladies, they have their original escort agency website. That inclines me to believe this site is just charging to compile the best escorts from other agencies. I would suggest you book through the agency directly.Yes, they aren't secretive about the fact that those girls work for other escort agencies and list them right on their profiles. But when I go to the websites for the agencies listed for each girl, such as New Bangkok Escort and Pure Bangkok Escort, the starting rate for 2 hours with the exact same girl is 5,000 baht vs 3,750 baht on smooci.com.
Why wouldn't I want to shop, select and book from among "the best escorts from other agencies" for a discounted price on smooci.com instead of through their original agency's website for 1,250 baht more? Not sure why that would be a mistake but open to hearing more about it.
Eric Swiss
12-12-16, 06:49
One time a pretty Spasso FL quoted me $400. I laughed and said I only talk Baht. Then I said, I will give you 4,000 baht for a couple of hours and she accepted without batting an eye. Was it miss communication or was she checking my street cred? I don't know. She was a good looking, well dressed, elegant, 30 something Thai woman. The session turned out very nice. She stayed untill 4 am. I liked her so I tipped her 500 baht.Recently, I went to Spasso near the close (2:30 am? Couldn't even get a drink from the bartenders. Good, saved me money. I made a round and as I was walking out, some hot chick made eye contact with me, so I altered my trajectory and ended up in her orbit. Was quick negotiation. She said 5000 short time, I said 2000, she laughed at me, we settled for 3000.
Only mistake I did was to let her take me to a low-class short-time motel on Soi Ruamrudee when a perfectly good alternative, the PB hotel off Sukhumvit Soi 3, was pretty much same distance and price.
Anyway, I don't remember much, except her name was Lana, and she was pretty good. Covered BJ was the low point of her performance. But then she invited me to do A+ on her, and that was cool. She said fuck my pussy first. So I did, and when I went in through the backdoor it was kind of hurting her, but in a sort of fake way.
One weird thing about the girls from Spasso is that they insist to be paid upfront. I always answer: "I've been with many girls here and I never do that. " I just keep repeating it. This may not be the optimal answer, but who knows? I certainly don't want to engage the discussion on trust, give you good time, feel more relaxed / secure / comfortable, etc. Eventually Lana relented, but she asked instead to see my ID. So, I showed her some foreign ID with my picture on it, and she memorized every line on it: problem solved!
Overall, she was well worth the vastly inflated price. Just a cut above Climax. I wouldn't do Spasso all the time, but it has a place in the rotation. The girls basically check you out, so just hang around in there and wait for one to make eye contact. Then bingo!
Eric Swiss
12-12-16, 07:12
Mixx is average 4500-6000, Spasso 4,500-8,000 K, however, I have gotten less on occasion.While we're on the Spasso topic, I came back there again recently, but early in the night, while the live band was still playing. It was a slow night. I unwittingly ordered the world's most expensive beer, something like 500 Baht. These bartenders are thieves.
Anyway, as I was ready to exit and go to Climax, some chick looked me up and down and I just had to go talk to her. Turns out she'd been scanning the crowd for the past half-hour and her little brain had put me in the eligible long-list. Her name was Eileen, and she was absolutely gorgeous. Not slutty looking at all. A real estate agent, I think. Maybe she didn't make enough sales this month? Beautiful near-white skin, a bit Chinese-why look from Chiang Mai, great class in the way she dresses, perfect English. Just the kind of girl you'd take home to your parents.
Except I took her to the PB short-time hotel off Soi 3 for 5000 Baht. She says she usually asks for 8,000 or 10,000, so I got a discount. I don't doubt that. She does older men too, and they pay. Heck, when I'm even older than I'm now I'll probably be willing to pay even more than I am now to keep this quality of girl.
She was just perfect: beautiful face, perfect tits, slimmest waist, great waist-to-hip ratio, no tattoos or piercings. Great in the sack, very sensual and relaxed. Best thing is she drove me in her very own car. It's the first time I go through the official PB ritual of parking in and they draw the curtain behind your car. Every other time I was always walking, or moto taxi, or tuk-tuk, or car taxi. This is the real thing! Then she dropped me off near my condo afterwards in her car: no need to hustle for a taxi. This is cool. I like to bang chicks who are rich enough to own a car, and sober enough to drive it at night.
Once again, she gave me the old Spasso routine of wanting to be paid upfront, to which I said I would pay her afterwards, and if that's not OK we can just call off the whole matter and I will forsake the price of the hotel without a fuss. This time, the compromise was that I left the money on the counter top, visible to her, but not to be touched by her until afterwards. I swear, the second I jumped out of the bed after satisfactory completion of the intimate frictions to go wash in the shower, she jumped on the cash like a hawk on a rabbit. Not the classiest move, but hey what do I really care, I was going to pay her anyway. No tip for this one, though.
All in all, I would recommend Spasso. Yes, they are all overpriced scam artists, but to make love to a truly beautiful, normal woman who could equally grace the pages of a magazine or the cover of a porn video or be brought home to meet the family is priceless.
Recently, I went to Spasso near the close (2:30 am? Couldn't even get a drink from the bartenders. Good, saved me money. I made a round and as I was walking out, some hot chick made eye contact with me, so I altered my trajectory and ended up in her orbit. Was quick negotiation. She said 5000 short time, I said 2000, she laughed at me, we settled for 3000.
Only mistake I did was to let her take me to a low-class short-time motel on Soi Ruamrudee when a perfectly good alternative, the PB hotel off Sukhumvit Soi 3, was pretty much same distance and price.
Anyway, I don't remember much, except her name was Lana, and she was pretty good. Covered BJ was the low point of her performance. But then she invited me to do A+ on her, and that was cool. She said fuck my pussy first. So I did, and when I went in through the backdoor it was kind of hurting her, but in a sort of fake way.
In hindsight and by any chance did you get the impression she would have made the experience quite a bit more memorable for you, including BBBJ instead of a covered one, taking you to a more pleasant hotel and perhaps zero mood killing dickering about paying upfront vs paying afterwards if you had not countered her initial offer of 5000 with a number as low as 2000 and (after she laughed at you) settled on 3000 but instead kept it more in her ballpark by initially countering with, say, 3000 and settling on 4000?
She was just perfect: beautiful face, perfect tits, slimmest waist, great waist-to-hip ratio, no tattoos or piercings. Great in the sack, very sensual and relaxed. Best thing is she drove me in her very own car. It's the first time I go through the official PB ritual of parking in and they draw the curtain behind your car. Every other time I was always walking, or moto taxi, or tuk-tuk, or car taxi. This is the real thing! Then she dropped me off near my condo afterwards in her car: no need to hustle for a taxi. This is cool. I like to bang chicks who are rich enough to own a car, and sober enough to drive it at night.Wow. Yeah, I would say right off the bat that it sounds like the 5000 baht ST experience with a Spasso girl kicks the shit out of the 3000 baht ST experience with a Spasso girl. LOL. I know the survey sample is quite low, just having a bit of fun here. .
While we're on the Spasso topic, I came back there again recently, but early in the night, while the live band was still playing. It was a slow night.
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Once again, she gave me the old Spasso routine of wanting to be paid upfront, to which I said I would pay her afterwards, and if that's not OK we can just call off the whole matter and I will forsake the price of the hotel without a fuss. This time, the compromise was that I left the money on the counter top, visible to her, but not to be touched by her until afterwards. I swear, the second I jumped out of the bed after satisfactory completion of the intimate frictions to go wash in the shower, she jumped on the cash like a hawk on a rabbit. Not the classiest move. . . . Good post E S.
Your post reinforces the fact that there are devious asshole guys who cheat the girls out of whatever deal was pre-arranged.
This girl has obviously been burnt before, hence the way she "jumped on the cash like a hawk on a rabbit".
That's a learned behavior, stimulated by previous bad experiences with guys who spoil it for others.
John Traveller
12-12-16, 09:45
Is that really LT-prices? I mean, how many hours is LT here?
Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. Mixx is average 4500-6000, Spasso 4,500-8,000 K, however, I have gotten less on occasion. Insanity previously Insomnia was never 5,000 LT, more like 2,500-3,500. May I ask what time you went? What's your nationality? How old are you? How were you dressed? Were you alone? Often ladies ask more for people they don't like just to discourage them. If by the odd chance the punter agrees, it's a windfall for them and they can overlook whatever it was they didn't like about you for the extra money. It could also be because you were too early. These are just my honest opinions. Did you try Climax by the way? Prices there are 2,500-3,000 LT.
Bangkok is generally a little more expensive than Pattaya for the freelance market but the prices you were quoted are no where near a good reflection of the normal freelance LT rates in Bangkok.
Good post E S.
Your post reinforces the fact that there are devious asshole guys who cheat the girls out of whatever deal was pre-arranged.
This girl has obviously been burnt before, hence the way she "jumped on the cash like a hawk on a rabbit".
That's a learned behavior, stimulated by previous bad experiences with guys who spoil it for others.Good response as well.
Absolutely there are reasons for these strange behaviours. Same things happened in MPs where customers suddenly found they no money at the end of the session, and expected to get away with freebie fucks. Hence the change over to pay upfront for untrusted customers.
Also girls from bars have told me the number of times she got burnt by customers reneging on the deal. Some customers, feel they have a right to pay a greatly reduced amount than what was agreed due to being unimpressed by the service ability of the girl. The girl of course expects to get the full amount, and maybe a tip if she was superb.
Bargirls, MP girls, and freelancers that have never been ripped off by the customers, hardly exist in my experience.
I am not adverse at all to girls that go with me without discussing the price, so that I can pay them very fairly based on what was delivered. I. e. Less for lacklustre quicky than a send me to heaven experience. Having a fixed agreed price seems incongruous to me, as makes little allowance for how good was the experience, however does not mean I try to get away with paying half the agreed rate or nothing.
I feel a guy can get away with paying a girl only a small amount for her time and taxi, if the sex never eventuated, e. G. Girl was too drunk to do anything at all. However once you fuck the girl, I think payment has to be made.
I meet very few girls that don't trust me to pay, probably due to my general behavior. However have met the odd one, normally very shy type, who wanted money up front having been burned several times, by guys not paying. It is quite difficult for very shy newbie girls to demand the money even at the end of the session, and also difficult for them to negotiate for services as well.
It is wise to never pay freelancers in advance, as they could easily attempt to do a runner with the cash.
Yes, they aren't secretive about the fact that those girls work for other escort agencies and list them right on their profiles. But when I go to the websites for the agencies listed for each girl, such as New Bangkok Escort and Pure Bangkok Escort, the starting rate for 2 hours with the exact same girl is 5,000 baht vs 3,750 baht on smooci.com.
Why wouldn't I want to shop, select and book from among "the best escorts from other agencies" for a discounted price on smooci.com instead of through their original agency's website for 1,250 baht more? Not sure why that would be a mistake but open to hearing more about it.I noticed that when you turn on filter to girls aged 18 to 23, almost all girls get eliminated. I was just testing to see if my target girl Bam might come up. Not too likely. LOL.
I think the site would be better when and if can search for a specific girl. I don't want to take the girls they offer. I am willing to change my time slot to be able to book the specific girl. It's a big if. I doubt this function will be available, since it is more suited to going through the normal agency.
I think one of the reasons for the discounted price, is that the bookings are for the extreme near future (max 4 hours out). These girls would otherwise not have a booking at all for the target timeslot most likely. Highly in demand girls may not need to go for a discounted price in order to increase their business activity levels. I have little doubt that girls agreeing to go from this system are also agreeing to make less for the booking than their normal charge, rather than miss out on money completely. The normal agency is likely forgoing something as well. Of course I have no clue what is the agency cut normally, but could be quite significant. Hardly surprising that some girls want to be independent.
Am I wrong, and lots of guys used to make lots of last minute Escort bookings before smooci arrived?
Anyway I don't see myself trying escorts fed up to me by smooci, because I am just to picky and need special info about the girl first, like does she have natural tits, as example.
I have never been a guy looking for any old cheapest option. I can't change now. Plenty of guys booking escorts wanted Rita the very expensive Eurasian girl. They also were not looking for the cheap options. Escorts has to be more about quality, and value for money, right?
I know a freelancer I can get cheap who is really quite superb for me on the bed for the activity skills, and she likes the sex (3 pops last time for her). Her body is O.K. for a mother and face is above average, not stunning, and teeth way off perfect. Some might think she looks like a LB (tall). If I take an Escort, she really needs to be something special for looks as well as service. Too many escorts look just too ordinary. I recognise that bargirls can cost me just the same as an Escort after too many drinks, barfine, ST Hotel, etc. However with bargirl I am absolutely certain of the face and body having seen her naked, and no surgeries, and did not have to go through the same booking hassles. Bargirl service is not certain, but then again, bad service from Escorts has also been reported (the lacklustre Toey). No guarantee of compatibility as well. Always possible to find a pussy that does not suit me perfectly.
Are Escorts generally better than bargirls? I don't know that, but for sure I know my first glance of an escort could result in disappointment.
Member #4591
12-12-16, 11:32
Is that really LT-prices? I mean, how many hours is LT here?LT generally means more than one pop. It can last a few hours or as long as the girl wants to stay. If my examples seem expensive to you, then I would hate to have seen your reaction to the original ops post.
Banana Boi
12-12-16, 11:49
I think one of the reasons for the discounted price, is that the bookings are for the extreme near future (max 4 hours out). These girls would otherwise not have a booking at all for the target timeslot most likely. Makes sense. Was thinking the prices are pretty decent and a couple of girls were close to above average Thermae quality, however, for 1 hour Thermae is still cheaper, you get to see them pre-photoshop, and you get to interact with the girls first before committing, either getting some food with them, buying them a drink, or just having a quick 2 minute talk while they are standing in their spot. I guess if your hotel was near Patpong or somewhere like that this would be a good option. Do BKK escorts all provide DFK and BBBJ?
Off topic, anyone have any updates on the Thaniya Road bars?
Pussycheck
12-12-16, 13:58
Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. Mixx is average 4500-6000, Spasso 4,500-8,000 K, ...I was in Spasso on a Thursday evening. I was one of the first there who arrived at about 9 pm. I talked to a number of girls before I have chosen one at 11 pm. The girl I have chosen there was Vietnamese and she asked for a price of 350 USD for the full night. This girl told me she works in Dubai (Nightclub Moscow), Singapore (Brix), Jakarta (CJ's) and when she's in Bangkok in Spasso. I took her for 350 USD (or 12,500 Baht) and we stayed together from 11 pm until 3 pm in the afternoon of the following day. I paid her 12,500 Baht at 3 pm before she left. I think for such a girl you cannot lower the price much if you want to take her at 11 pm. If she'd be still there at 3 am, I think she would go with you for 8,000 Baht but she told me she has a lot of (returning) customers and one even gave her 24,000 Baht just for a couple of hours recently because he likes her so much.
I was in Mixx on a Friday night. I talked to many girls. Until 1 am the lowest price from Thai's I was offered was 6,000 Baht. From Russian's, Columbians or even a Korean the lowest price was 10,000 Baht for a night until 6 am. And money upfront. I did not take any girl there.
I was in Insanity on a Saturday night. I took a Thai girl there for 5,000 Baht for the night. We stayed from midnight until 10 am when I sent her back home. She would have stayed longer. I payed her when she left.
In general I like to take a girl before midnight, want that she stays with me as long as I want the following day and pay her before she leaves (not upfront). And a very good service of course.
Prices you mentioned are possible for sure but not for the best girls because they'll be taken out for such a price.
In Spasso you have men who don't care to pay up to 1000 USD for a girl and night.
In Mixx you can wait until 3 am and then you can take out the girl for a lower price (if you want to wait until 3 am).
Member #4591
12-12-16, 14:10
I was in Spasso on a Thursday evening. I was one of the first there who arrived at about 9 pm. I talked to a number of girls before I have chosen one at 11 pm. The girl I have chosen there was Vietnamese and she asked for a price of 350 USD for the full night. This girl told me she works in Dubai (Nightclub Moscow), Singapore (Brix), Jakarta (CJ's) and when she's in Bangkok in Spasso. I took her for 350 USD (or 12,500 Baht) and we stayed together from 11 pm until 3 pm in the afternoon of the following day. I paid her 12,500 Baht at 3 pm before she left. I think for such a girl you cannot lower the price much if you want to take her at 11 pm. If she'd be still there at 3 am, I think she would go with you for 8,000 Baht but she told me she has a lot of (returning) customers and one even gave her 24,000 Baht just for a couple of hours recently because he likes her so much.
I was in Mixx on a Friday night. I talked to many girls. Until 1 am the lowest price from Thai's I was offered was 6,000 Baht. From Russian's, Columbians or even a Korean the lowest price was 10,000 Baht for a night until 6 am. And money upfront. I did not take any girl there.
I was in Insanity on a Saturday night. I took a Thai girl there for 5,000 Baht for the night. We stayed from midnight until 10 am when I sent her back home. She would have stayed longer. I payed her when she left.
In general I like to take a girl before midnight, want that she stays with me as long as I want the following day and pay her before she leaves (not upfront). And a very good service of course.
Prices you mentioned are possible for sure but not for the best girls because they'll be taken out for such a price.
In Spasso you have men who don't care to pay up to 1000 USD for a girl and night.
In Mixx you can wait until 3 am and then you can take out the girl for a lower price (if you want to wait until 3 am).If you claim to know all the answers, why did you ask the question? I have taken many stunners from all those places and was never quoted the same price as you. One poster claims he took a stunner from Spasso for 3,000ST so long term would have been about 6,000. Please don't get upset that the ladies charge you more. They have their reasons. For example, your nationality, time of night and so on. You asked if those prices were normal, I said no and other posters seem to agree that your quoted prices were not normal. What's your nationality? May I ask again?
As for the level of service and rates between Pattaya and Bangkok, it's always YMMV for the real stunners. Prices can be high or low depending on the punter and the girls feelings. In General Pattaya is known for being a little cheaper but not always, especially for the stunners. The level of service is also YMMV however there is always a stigma with the stunners that they perform like starfishes but that as well is YMMV. Also a stunner is widely different in the eyes of different punters. One girl could be 10/10 to one and a dud to another.
The level of service is also YMMV however there is always a stigma with the stunners that they perform like starfishes but that as well is YMMV. Also a stunner is widely different in the eyes of different punters. One girl could be 10/10 to one and a dud to another.Very true. My buddy sends me pics of his "stunners" from Sweden or Russia and some look so so to me. Just not my taste. Also many stunners in Baccara look like horrible aliens or like LBs to me with their surgeries.
I don't detect a strong anti-correlation between looks and performance on the bed. My favorite on the bed girl looks beautifully exotic to my taste. I can understand that stunning girls can retain their regular customers with somewhat average performance though. Donut ex-CH is such a girl student who is enthusiastic but lacking real expertise in the skills and hampered a little by braces. Being very pretty and fun and classy is enough for me. She doesn't have to be like a wild working girl on the bed, just be into it and make a good time. I can't dump such a gorgeous girl easily, even she is unreliable for future appointments.
Also stunners have less need to retain regulars, when they can pick a new customer so easily. In Crazy House, never saw Donut go more than 10 minutes without hooking a customer, even when it was not me (following completion of a ST already). LOL Also Ging Gaew could get a customer quickly due to heavy swinging tits, even she was not stunning, merely quite cute.
I have only one regular girl that is not well above average looks (the cheapest one) to my taste, and they are all giving me blissful service on most occasions. It is not necessary to go to really average to ugly girls to get the great satisfying sex, unless guys really need pornstars all the time.
On BKK Dog's other point:
The customer behaviour and looks (and nationality) also makes a big difference, with high class guys speaking to the girl very nicely no doubt making a big difference, not necessarily being young, or handsome. Some girls just admit they like Japanese or Koreans, and others have a strong bias to Farangs. My favourite girl started fucking Farangs at 15 (long ago) and claims to have never done a Thai man in her life. She has a very strong bias to Farangs for one reason or another. Some Thai girls will take any nationality with nice attitude that are clean and dress well, but not all. Plenty of racism exists. Some Thai girls are desperate and forced to take any man they can get.
BKK Dog comes across as very smooth experienced operator, and probably helps to get the best prices offered. I have no experience picking up girls in discos, since I generally hate modern discos, so no doubt would be more difficult for me to get the best prices, at a guess. I am a bit old for the modern non-music they have, and DJs making an abortion out of songs, if there are any songs. The only time I went to discos was when already had a girl and she invited me there. LOL Discos are too loud and noisy for me to actually talk to anyone. Sound separation problems.
CharmingGuy1
12-12-16, 18:00
Greetings,
I am planning my second trip to Pattaya & Bangkok for 5 days around last week of December. My previous experience was not good. Being a south Indian I was not allowed in Mixx & Insomnia.
In some MPs, the treatment was similar. That of repulsion and non-cooperation. In short my overall experience was bad. Is such hatred towards still present? Also I have some queries.
- It being a new year time-slot, will finding good girls for ST / LT be difficult / costly? My budget is 3000 for ST & 6000 for LT. I want to try something different this time. Something like Lords MP which I missed last time.
- Will I be able to find hotels in Pattaya, Bangkok when I reach there or should I book beforehand?
Eric Swiss
12-12-16, 18:08
In hindsight and by any chance did you get the impression she would have made the experience quite a bit more memorable for you, including BBBJ instead of a covered one, taking you to a more pleasant hotel and perhaps zero mood killing dickering about paying upfront vs paying afterwards if you had not countered her initial offer of 5000 with a number as low as 2000 and (after she laughed at you) settled on 3000 but instead kept it more in her ballpark by initially countering with, say, 3000 and settling on 4000?Yes absolutely. Countering with 3000, settling on 4000, makes a lot of sense. She even said that she had taken me to this particularly shitty hotel because she thought I was a cheapskate. Makes no sense, obviously, because PB is the same price, but maybe it makes Thai-girl-sense.
I was just improvising off-the-cuff based on my experiences at Climax in Bangkok and the I-Bar in Pattaya, which are much more numerous than the ones at Spasso. I don't care that much either way, but it's good to get informative feedback from the more seasoned mongers on the forum in case I want to go back to Spasso in the future.
Pussycheck
12-12-16, 18:12
If you claim to know all the answers, why did you ask the question? ...My question was just if the girls in clubs in Pattaya are better looking and their price is cheaper compared to the ones in Bangkok. The look will be answered different by each individuum of course.
If the club scene is better in Pattaya then I would check-out Pattaya next time.
I just mentioned the prices of these clubs in Bangkok and have shown my observations.
Eric Swiss
12-12-16, 18:12
Wow. Yeah, I would say right off the bat that it sounds like the 5000 baht ST experience with a Spasso girl kicks the shit out of the 3000 baht ST experience with a Spasso girl. LOL. I know the survey sample is quite low, just having a bit of fun here. .In the first 30 seconds I could tell the girls were not in the same league. I know Spasso has a good reputation overall in terms of talent pool, but even there the amount of variation is considerable.
I don't think it's as much a question of paying more, as it is a question of which girls are willing to accept to be paid less, given that they know perfectly well their own sexual market values.
Member #4591
12-12-16, 18:18
Yes absolutely. Countering with 3000, settling on 4000, makes a lot of sense. She even said that she had taken me to this particularly shitty hotel because she thought I was a cheapskate. Makes no sense, obviously, because PB is the same price, but maybe it makes Thai-girl-sense.
I was just improvising off-the-cuff based on my experiences at Climax in Bangkok and the I-Bar in Pattaya, which are much more numerous than the ones at Spasso. I don't care that much either way, but it's good to get informative feedback from the more seasoned mongers on the forum in case I want to go back to Spasso in the future.Eric, it's pretty simple to understand. She needed the money and you were a nice enough looking guy with a good personality for her to accept 3 K instead of 4 K. I firmly believe if she was not feeling it with the guy, she would have requested 6 k ST and 10 k-12 k LT. As I said before, if the punter agrees, she goes through with it for the windfall. And paying her after the deed was the right thing to do. The fact that she didn't bail after you told her you weren't paying until after, also cries out YMMV. Good job at showing the others how it done.
By the way, don't get me wrong. I have paid my share of expensive rates in the past, and I'm a firm believer in you get what you pay for, but getting ripped off is a completely different story.
I have given girls 10 K for similar LT dates that consist of a movie, dinner, drinks and then 2 or 3 pops in the hotel between evening and the following afternoon but I set the rate beforehand and the ladies just went along happily. Hope that helps mate.
Eric Swiss
12-12-16, 18:21
Good post E S.
Your post reinforces the fact that there are devious asshole guys who cheat the girls out of whatever deal was pre-arranged.
This girl has obviously been burnt before, hence the way she "jumped on the cash like a hawk on a rabbit".
That's a learned behavior, stimulated by previous bad experiences with guys who spoil it for others.So you're saying her move was not classy because she'd done business with not-very-classy males before? Yeah, I believe that.
Nonetheless, I don't pay freelancers upfront, so if she hadn't been willing and able to find a reasonable compromise, then I would have just brought some other girl to the same short-time hotel room instead.
Eric Swiss
12-12-16, 18:23
I have paid my share of expensive rates in the past, and I'm a firm believer in you get what you pay for, but getting ripped off is a completely different story.Truer words have never been spoken!
Eric Swiss
12-12-16, 18:28
It is wise to never pay freelancers in advance, as they could easily attempt to do a runner with the cash.Thanks for corroborating my intuition. I can't exactly explain why, but I just feel it would be wrong.
I don't mind paying upfront at Nataree (back in the days) or at Addict, but this is a completely different kettle of fish.
I think one of the reasons for the discounted price, is that the bookings are for the extreme near future (max 4 hours out). These girls would otherwise not have a booking at all for the target timeslot most likely. Highly in demand girls may not need to go for a discounted price in order to increase their business activity levels. I have little doubt that girls agreeing to go from this system are also agreeing to make less for the booking than their normal charge, rather than miss out on money completely. The normal agency is likely forgoing something as well. Of course I have no clue what is the agency cut normally, but could be quite significant. Hardly surprising that some girls want to be independent.Interesting to note that when you go to the "smooci" girls' original agency's website and get that Live Chat pop up, there is a recommendation inside that pop up box to go to smooci.com and book through that site instead. At least, that is the way it is at Pure Bangkok Escort and New Bangkok Escort, the two I happened to check. It is as though they want you to book through smooci and get the discount instead of through their own site and pay the rate listed there.
One of the girls my friend booked volunteered soon after meeting him that she normally goes for more but that her agency is offering a special for now, foregoing their cut of the fee (ha), and that is why the rate is lower, for whatever that story is worth.
Makes sense. Was thinking the prices are pretty decent and a couple of girls were close to above average Thermae quality, however, for 1 hour Thermae is still cheaper, you get to see them pre-photoshop, and you get to interact with the girls first before committing, either getting some food with them, buying them a drink, or just having a quick 2 minute talk while they are standing in their spot. I guess if your hotel was near Patpong or somewhere like that this would be a good option. Do BKK escorts all provide DFK and BBBJ?
Off topic, anyone have any updates on the Thaniya Road bars?Don't know if we have many Japanese that follow this forum, I do know of the odd Japanese guy in ISG outside of Thailand. Most Farangs won't know much obviously, unless party with Japanese guys. I have never been in there. When my Japanese buddies were here, they were mainly interested in Bacarra and the Thermae. Thermae is heaven for Japanese but quite ordinary for me so far, in the modern day. Many years ago got some awfully sweet girls from Thermae for LT bookings. Just hard to find girls good enough to repeat these days and hard to find a suitable all natural girl. Now if I could chat to them for a long time while they were nude first, would help greatly. LOL.
Girls go to Thermae for a reason. LOL Most of them prefer Asian guys. Only a small number of girls go there for Farangs. I expect that Thaniya girls will also greatly prefer Asian guys.
I am better of at bars where the girls really want Farangs.
I think you need to find yourself a Japanese buddy who knows Thaniya to be your guide. Don't be surprised if thai girls try some basic Japanese phrases on you. LOL
Interesting to note that when you go to the "smooci" girls' original agency's website and get that Live Chat pop up, there is a recommendation inside that pop up box to go to smooci.com and book through that site instead. At least, that is the way it is at Pure Bangkok Escort and New Bangkok Escort, the two I happened to check. It is as though they want you to book through smooci and get the discount instead of through their own site and pay the rate listed there.
One of the girls my friend booked volunteered soon after meeting him that she normally goes for more but that her agency is offering a special for now, foregoing their cut of the fee (ha), and that is why the rate is lower, for whatever that story is worth.I think that old non Smooci way takes more time and logistics to organise and Thai staff are notoriously slow and laborious about doing things. So if you want an urgent booking, it makes sense to suggest the smooci expedient way. Also they want you to think they are doing the right thing by you. Would look bad not to offer the cheaper alternative.
It could be that a quite small percentage of the agencies business is in the 4 hour out or less time frame. They may just not want to be hassled with the rushed bookings that Smooci can organise much better.
May also have something to do with the deal between Smooci and certain agencies. The Agencies still get to do all bookings more than 4 hours out, right. I am sure the girls using Smooci are supposed to benefit by getting more bookings than before, and filling in gaps in their schedule.
It would surprise but yes possible the girl still makes the same as before. I expect Agency cuts were large so if they forego most of it, it could make a big difference. Who knows how much Smooci needs to make per girl booked.
It is a mystery exactly how the Agency gets a benefit unless they still take some part of the money. Obviously Agencies are scared to lose business overall if they do not participate though.
I wonder what will happen when someone else creates a new even better function website than Smooci. Could a new website almost do away totally with all the cumbersome slow response agencies by providing very good functionality, with a mimimal human backing to handle customer questions, by transferring questions directly to the girls when not answerable by all the normal basic data. They could start by attracting all the freelance independent girls.
Will Smooci be handling independent freelance girls?
It is wise to never pay freelancers in advance, as they could easily attempt to do a runner with the cash.I concur. I would have held out for either paying after or the compromise of putting the money on a table top as Eric Swiss did.
But I guess I am not as quick to assume it is rip off customers who are the great threat to that girl's income opportunities as some others are. I put credit for that on the rip off freelancers standing right next to that girl every night who are the reason you and I and others would not recommend anyone pay a freelancer upfront instead of afterwards. IMO, they are far more responsible for the better girls not making as much money as they could than the rare occasion where some dude discovers he has no money or he blatantly planned all along to get a free romp and bail out on his part of the agreement.
I don't want to see a girl go without food or rent because some guy ripped her off. But in the case of the kinds of freelancers Eric Swiss was posting about and what sparked this side discussion, they were banking more than a week's pay for about 2 hours of their time in a hotel room selling a product that as far as I know has never run out of supply after two hours of selling it. They can apparently get customers whenever they point to a guy and say, "Ok, Lucky, you're next", and there is always another two hours coming up with another week's pay in it for them. That they might on rare occasion find themselves giving it away for free seems to me a small hit on their income stream compared with the financial damage that is done to them by their fellow freelancers delivering lousy service not even remotely close to what is agreed upon, driving good customers away and on to other options with every rip off.
And, as far as I am concerned, I wholeheartedly endorse guys NOT paying anything close to what they fully agreed to pay if the girl rips them off and doesn't deliver what she agreed upon as well. It is entirely possible that is what sparked a so-called rip off customer bailing out on some or all of what he agreed to pay them more often than the girls worrying and complaining about it would ever let on.
I think that old non Smooci way takes more time and logistics to organise and Thai staff are notoriously slow and laborious about doing things. So if you want an urgent booking, it makes sense to suggest the smooci expedient way. Also they want you to think they are doing the right thing by you. Would look bad not to offer the cheaper alternative.
It could be that a quite small percentage of the agencies business is in the 4 hour out or less time frame. They may just not want to be hassled with the rushed bookings that Smooci can organise much better.
May also have something to do with the deal between Smooci and certain agencies. The Agencies still get to do all bookings more than 4 hours out, right. I am sure the girls using Smooci are supposed to benefit by getting more bookings than before, and filling in gaps in their schedule.
It would surprise but yes possible the girl still makes the same as before. I expect Agency cuts were large so if they forego most of it, it could make a big difference. Who knows how much Smooci needs to make per girl booked.
It is a mystery exactly how the Agency gets a benefit unless they still take some part of the money. Obviously Agencies are scared to lose business overall if they do not participate though.
I wonder what will happen when someone else creates a new even better function website than Smooci. Could a new website almost do away totally with all the cumbersome slow response agencies by providing very good functionality, with a mimimal human backing to handle customer questions, by transferring questions directly to the girls when not answerable by all the normal basic data. They could start by attracting all the freelance independent girls.
Will Smooci be handling independent freelance girls?I think they are producing what in sales is known as "an urgency to buy" with that 4 hours out booking limit. "Limited time only! "Greatest Sale Ever! "Hurry while they last!" kind of thing. But in this case they are enticing potential escort customers with a discount if they are willing to book a girl for the next couple of hours.
A guy goes to New Bangkok Escort's website or one of the others because he is just browsing around checking out what escorts look like, thinking about trying one someday, it looks like he's supposed to book a girl a day ahead of time or whatever, hell he can't plan his trip to Bangkok down to the hour like that, has no idea what he'll be up to tomorrow, 5,000 baht is a bit steep for two hours, especially sight unseen and all that. But then he gets pitched to go to smooci and they're showing discounted prices IF he is willing to book a girl sometime within the next 4 hours. And that is enough to get him to either shit or get off the pot about booking an escort today.
I think it is a smart sales move for those escort agencies.
I think they are producing what in sales is known as "an urgency to buy".
But then he gets pitched to go to smooci and they're showing discounted prices IF he is willing to book a girl sometime within the next 4 hours. And that is enough to get him to either shit or get off the pot about booking an escort today.
I think it is a smart sales move for those escort agencies.Maybe its a smart move for certain type of customer. I don't get pressured into buying P4 P. Too many years of mamasans giving me the hint and me ignoring them or telling them to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off.
No way would I pick a time and then one of a limited set of girls offered up, noting that mostly older ones get offered for some reason.
The exact time of a fuck is not the issue for me. Its about finding a special girl in the mob of girls available. So the web site is a bit limited in its approach. I think its going to be a very lucky coincidence if my target girl is available on smooci in the next 4 hours and am I going to type in every possible time one by one looking for an available slot?
This App is very much for guys who are not trying to get to a specific girl or three. Any girl will do. We offer some discount girls. Just pick one.
Would I go to bar and take one of the 6 girls offered today for BF of zero? No unlikely. Probably the least desirable or least in demand girls.
Smooci seems to based on a philosphy that all escorts are desirable and that any one will do when a guy would like one urgently. Perhaps I am a little overly sceptical and certainly extremely picky. I can't just pick the girl in a flash. I need to analyse and investigate about the girl.
Crocodilexp
12-13-16, 09:19
LT generally means more than one pop. It can last a few hours or as long as the girl wants to stay. If my examples seem expensive to you, then I would hate to have seen your reaction to the original ops post.LT means an overnight stay, unless the definition changed recently, and I failed to notice that it did. There is no limit on pops on an LT, though 3 is the standard if the punter can manage it (2 in the evening, then sleep, then 1 in the morning). Anything less than that is under-delivering on the LT. Which is, of course, fine if the customer accepts it, but not ok otherwise.
ST means anywhere from one pop up to a few hours and 2-3 pops, depending on what the girl and the punter agree on. If not agreed otherwise in advance, the girl will assume one pop.
Sure, service standards have slipped recently, but I don't think it warrants redefining basic terms like LT as "multiple pops". A PSE oily massage session, for instance, is not an LT.
LT means an overnight stay, unless the definition changed recently, and I failed to notice that it did. There is no limit on pops on an LT, though 3 is the standard if the punter can manage it (2 in the evening, then sleep, then 1 in the morning). Anything less than that is under-delivering on the LT. Which is, of course, fine if the customer accepts it, but not ok otherwise.
ST means anywhere from one pop up to a few hours and 2-3 pops, depending on what the girl and the punter agree on. If not agreed otherwise in advance, the girl will assume one pop.
Sure, service standards have slipped recently, but I don't think it warrants redefining basic terms like LT as "multiple pops". A PSE oily massage session, for instance, is not an LT.He could well have written "LT implies multiple pops" with exactly the same meaning as what I believe he wrote and intended. He did not say anything about redefining LT. Comparing to a PSE MP makes no sense.
Yes I always believed originally, that LT meant till morning and that there would be an opportunity for sex in the morning, which is important to me. No better time for it. So I always assumed till at least 8 AM.
However I increasingly found that girls needed to leave by a very early hour, like 6 AM, due to other commitments, e. G. A baby, or before heavy traffic occurs, and since a sex session for me takes an hour, and need to brush my teeth first etc. , I was not going to get enough sleep if I had to wake at 4. 45 am to get my final pop. Some girls even liked to yack till very late, because they are more used to sleeping in the daytime. I am more likely to be ready for a morning pop at 7 to 8 AM.
I started to see that taking LT was a bit pointless, unless girl wanted to stay significantly into the daylight period, and many girls claimed they could not sleep properly during a LT with me. I am known to be a noisy and restless sleeper. There was one regular of mine I managed to persuade to do one pop, go back to the bar nearby to sleep and then return to me in the morning. She was rare though. All other girls that agreed to return in the morning, failed to show up, even they were missing out on more money, same amount as what I gave for the evening ST.
In the modern day, you can't really assume exactly what the girl thinks she is providing for a LT. You had better spell it out and agree to it. I always discuss what time the girl needs to leave, if I take a paid LT which is rare these days. Rip off girls may well be trying to define LT as 3 to 4 hours, and ST as 30 minutes. Does not make it right, of course.
ST Hotels these days are typically only providing 60 minutes. I have to discuss with them a different price when I want more than 60 minutes. In Nana Plaza ST rooms, they may well try to kick you out well short of an hour. I never use Nana Plaza ST rooms any more. Really bad.
Absolutely girls assume ST is over after 1 pop occurred no matter how quick, unless special deal is made.
Member #4591
12-13-16, 14:36
LT means an overnight stay, unless the definition changed recently, and I failed to notice that it did. There is no limit on pops on an LT, though 3 is the standard if the punter can manage it (2 in the evening, then sleep, then 1 in the morning). Anything less than that is under-delivering on the LT. Which is, of course, fine if the customer accepts it, but not ok otherwise.
ST means anywhere from one pop up to a few hours and 2-3 pops, depending on what the girl and the punter agree on. If not agreed otherwise in advance, the girl will assume one pop.
Sure, service standards have slipped recently, but I don't think it warrants redefining basic terms like LT as "multiple pops". A PSE oily massage session, for instance, is not an LT.I'm not sure what you are talking about. We are talking about freelancers, not massage girls here. 99% of freelancers mean 1 pop for ST and LT means 2 pops and could last a few hours or all night and part of the next day. All depends on the lady. Now if we are taking about the MPs, then ST can mean more than 1 pop.
I'm not sure what you are talking about. We are talking about freelancers, not massage girls here. 99% of freelancers mean 1 pop for ST and LT means 2 pops and could last a few hours or all night and part of the next day. All depends on the lady. Now if we are taking about the MPs, then ST can mean more than 1 pop.BKKdog, it is very clear that you do not know what you're talking about. I've never had a freelancer LT, who did not stay overnight.
Member #4591
12-13-16, 15:41
BKKdog, it is very clear that you do not know what you're talking about. I've never had a freelancer LT, who did not stay overnight.That's your opinion mate but let's look a little further into that statement. I once hired a lady for LT from 9 PM until 3 AM in the morning and paid her 3,000 Baht and had 3 pops. So by your logic, that would be considered ST because the lady didn't stay until the crack of dawn? Give it a rest. LT is more than one pop and whatever you and the lady agree upon regarding time.
Crocodilexp
12-14-16, 02:42
LT means 2 pops and could last a few hours or all night and part of the next dayThis is our point of disagreement.
LT has never been "a few hours and 2 pops". If there's no overnight stay, it's not an LT.
Sure, some girls might attempt to cut it short, or do an ST and charge an LT price, but it's misleading to other punters to claim that LT means just a few hours and two pops. Service standards and average punters' expectations are already lower than before, no need to push them down even lower.
Over the years, I've done the 2-pop deal countless times with freelancers, usually taking 1-2 hours. Always paid an ST price, and not one of them has ever implied that sort of deal is LT. Of course, asking for 2 pops in advance is necessary, otherwise they'd assume 1 pop.
I once hired a lady for LT from 9 PM until 3 AM in the morning and paid her 3,000 Baht and had 3 pops. So by your logic, that would be considered ST because the lady didn't stay until the crack of dawn?
There are always borderline, neither-here-nor-there cases. If you were happy (or wanted to sleep alone) and told her to go, nothing wrong with that, no need to argue about terminology. However, if she made excuses and left on her own at 3am, I'd consider that cutting the LT session short and likely pay less than the LT rate (if what we agreed on was "long time" and not specifically "3 shots").
Over the years, I've done the 2-pop deal countless times with freelancers, usually taking 1-2 hours. Always paid an ST price, and not one of them has ever implied that sort of deal is LT. Of course, asking for 2 pops in advance is necessary, otherwise they'd assume 1 pop.I agree.
However, my negotiation always centers on TIME rather than number of pops.
For me, ST is 2 to 3 hours, and I request such a stay. I don't do overnight, so LT is rarely an option unless the girl insists and wants to stay (and I agree to that of course).
What happens in the 2 to 3 hours is open to variation. Sometimes I can manage one pop only and that usually happens within 30 mins of getting in the room. However, just last week I managed 3 in the space of 2 1/2 hours.
YMMV.
BKKdog, it is very clear that you do not know what you're talking about. I've never had a freelancer LT, who did not stay overnight.
Actually he did not say anything that struck me as that strange, so different people are having different experiences. Hard to understand why we are getting so hung up on wishy washy vague terms likes "LT" and "overnight". If not everyone has the same view of its meaning, so be it, and negotiate more detail with girl to avoid misunderstanding.
Suppose you meet a girl that is willing to stay from 10 PM to 4 AM. What are you going to call that? ST or LT? Most girls will label that LT for sure, whether you agree with that definition or not.
LT is obviously short for "Long Time". What is a long time, could be anything 4 hours and above? A visit by a girl from 12 midday to 8PM could be called a LT. It certainly seems to be more than a ST. What matters is a certain number of hours is desired by some, and for others, they might want a certain number of pops. I can't tell in advance how many pops I am capable of but have not achieved more than 2 very often. So I do not focus on number of pops. I am happy to go until one pop in most STs. For anything more than that, I would always discuss how much time the girl can give me and would be looking to do 2 pops. I have booked girls for multiple days on occasions and travelled to a holiday destination. I certainly had no clue in advance how many times we would have sex or how many pops would be achieved, but expected sex twice a day minimum.
There are plenty of bargirls that suggested to me they would need to leave by 6 AM. Technically that maybe "overnight" since it getting light at 6AM, but who cares about definitions. The point is a girl staying till only 6 AM is not that useful to me, so little purpose to me taking a LT of that type, unless we went to sleep by 11PM (not very likely). Perhaps some guys would set alarm for 5am to get in another quickie fuck, and sleep more after the girl leaves at 6AM. Not much point in me waking up only to hear that the girl needs to leave now.
Would be surprised if you never met a freelancer that wanted to leave very early. A large portion of street freelancers have a baby. The person looking after their baby or child may have to go to work during the day. So the freelancer does not always have the option to stay to 8 am or 9 am.
Anyway is clear that if you don't discuss the exact finishing time, you can always get a surprise, so I am in complete agreement with BKK Dog and Red Kilt. Definition of LT means nothing. Discuss the fine detail with the girl is important to reach clear understanding.
Very few freelancers on the street or in Thermae, as examples, are going to give more than one pop in a ST unless that has been discussed, agreed to and factored into the price offered, so as BKK Dog says, outside of MPs, ST is normally considered to be one pop only by default, and girl will often try to leave very soon after if she does not know you well (not always). Plenty of MPs only offer one pop as well by default.
Have made a couple of trips to Bangkok in the past with generally very good results, but have a bit of a tight travel schedule for first leg of this trip so would greatly appreciate some advice.
I will be landing around 11:30 pm on a Saturday, staying at the JW Marriott. Figure I can probably get to the hotel, checked in, etc. By 1 am? Is that too optimistic?
Anyways, coming in business class so hopefully not too jet-lagged and have about 18 hours before my next flight (heading south for some relaxing on a beach). Usually prefer daytime or early evening action (or all night overnight), but this is a novel situation for me.
What is my best option if I'm looking for some action when I get in? Book a girl or two overnight from Bamboo / Mango / Cherry? Get an escort? Hit one of the late-night clubs (Thermae etc) and roll the dice? Book girls to show up early-ish in the morning?
I will be back after my beach trip for a more extended period of time so goal is mainly to get several days' worth of high-quality mongering in over a very short time period.
Thanks in advance!
Member #4591
12-14-16, 16:44
It's my 2nd night in a row here on the 3rd floor. It has a very nice vibe with a foreign owner. Red leather couches around 3 stages with the stage at the back with topless ladies and a jacuzzi. If I had to guess, all the ladies would be under 25. ST is 2000 with bar fine 700. I like the ladies because they are all natural. Tonight the vibe is excellent again with the ladies with a lot of energy. Great new bar.
Member #4591
12-14-16, 17:44
Special mention goes to number 303 with a great natural look. Even makes the tatoos work which I normally don't like. Cute face and very bubbly atitude. Here's a bad pic of the Jacuzzi stage.
Asiansexpat
12-15-16, 04:28
I just had one of the most action packed 12 hours spent in Bangkok. My last visit was about 2 years and I was glad to see that things didn't change much. Personally, I still prefer Philippines but Thailand is still the close second.
Here is my recap of the action:
Got to my hotel in Sukhumvit (Holiday Inn) at about 4 PM and activated "Nearby search" of my WeChat. Although most of what shows up are ladyboys (at least they are upfront about that), there seems to be quite a few genuine girls. Within 5 minutes I started getting contact requests and began chatting with the most promising prospects. Although, my plan was first to check out day time action in the bars, I figured why not to start it in my room with one of the WeChat girls.
One seemed very cute, 25 years old and said she can come over within 15 minutes. She offered 1500 for short time which sounded like not a bad deal. After confirming that she is fine with CIM and letting me cum twice, I gave her my room number and headed for a shower. She arrived in exactly 15 minutes which was already quite impressive. Honestly, I didn't expect her to look so good because her WeChat photos looked a bit artificial. However, she was one of the less photogenic ones. In person, she was gorgeous. First of all, she was quite tall, she said she was 168 cm which for me, being a shorter guy, was a huge turn on. I even suspected for a second that she could be a ladyboy but after she was out of the shower and I could get a closer look, my suspicions had quickly evaporated. No plastic surgeon in the world could have possibly created such an amazing pussy, that was definitely god's work!
At that time, I wanted nothing more than to eat that thing. She really enjoyed that part and got very wet real quick. From my years of experience of eating pussy, I must say that my favorite is definitely Thai (so is their food). I almost never came across a smelly or sour tasting ones and this pussy was one of the sweetest I ever had. After doing it for a while, I let her suck me and she turned out to be quite a pro. Finally, I exploded in her mouth and she took it all the way as promised. Then I went to the bathroom to wash off and take a leak and when I came out I found her patiently waiting by the bathroom door still holding my cum in her mouth, waiting for me to finish so she could spit it out. What a sweetheart!
After a bit of rest, we fucked for about 20 min and different positions until I was finally done. She let me grab her real hard, squeeze her tits, pull her hair she seemed to enjoy that quite a bit, so did I. After getting 1,500 she thanked me and left. No complaining, no asking for a tip, real nice experience.
At around 6 PM I headed out for my dinner and decided to walk to Nana. Actually, I wanted to find Annie's massage there but it seems that they have moved, so I couldn't find them. Went to Nana and sat in some Gogo bar for a while, looking at titties for half an hour but decided to head out and see what else is out there. While walking down Nana's street I noticed 2 black girls with amazing asses. So, I asked them where they were from to which they replied "from Africa". No shit, I really didn't think they were Scandinavians anyway. They offered 2000 for short time for each but accepted 1500. I've had Africans before but never 2 together, so since threesomes is something I wanted to do anyway, I agreed.
Next, we went to short term hotel in just a few meters which was another 400 for an hour. Their bodies where excellent (they were 24 years old) but they were not particularly enthusiastic. So, one was just basically lying next to us while I was fucking her friend without much participation. Also, they kept talking to each other in their language which was a bit annoying (they were Ugandan). Still, their asses were something out of this world one of those things that grow only on African girls. After finishing one, I took a bit of rest and tried to make some connection with them. However, my attempts of small talk were met with indifference. Anyway, I was just trying to be nice, I wasn't there to make friends.
After a bit of rest, I was ready for the second round with the second girl which took much longer. Also, she kept complaining about my dick size and didn't want me to go too deep, so did the first one. That was a bit surprising as I don't think of myself as being that big, just maybe slightly bigger than average. I told them come on, I thought they got big dicks in Africa! Finally, they laughed at my joke and we seem to break the ice a bit but by then I was already done. At the end, I asked them whether I could take some photos but they wanted extra 1000 for that. I said no, although I still managed to take one pic when they were already dressed.
So, overall, they didn't get a high score on attitude but that was compensated by the uniqueness of the experience of 3 some with 2 Africans with incredible asses.
After that, I started walking back to my hotel, had a coffee on the way while chatting with another WeChat girl. She said she was 21 and ready to do short time for 1500. Her pics looked nice although face wasn't particular pretty. She also said that she was deaf which I didn't mind. I fact, that would be another something I never tried before, so I decided to go for it. When I finally got back to hotel, I messaged her that she can come over and she arrived within minutes.
I was once again pleasantly surprised by her looks, she was also quite tall for Thai, probably about 165 cm with quite a big body on her. Her ass was nice and perky, beautiful legs and silky smooth skin. She was indeed deaf, so we communicated with gestures and continued chatting on WeChat with each other. She was really sweet girl and the fact that she was deaf didn't really bother me at all. In fact, I even enjoyed quietness for a change. So, she started with a blowjob and worked on my cock for at least 20 minutes until I finally came on her face. By that time after having come 4 times already, I could only squeeze a few drops of cum, so she didn't even realize that I was done.
Then we "chatted" for a while via WeChat and took some pictures with my phone she was really into it. Playing with her got me horny again and I started to fuck her while she was still snapping photos. We changed positions a few times and I finally finished up in doggy while spanking her beautiful ass.
We relaxed for a while and then she left texting me later that she had a really good time. So, at about 2 am, I finally was ready for bed as I still had to catch to my flight the next morning.
It's my 2nd night in a row here on the 3rd floor. It has a very nice vibe with a foreign owner. Red leather couches around 3 stages with the stage at the back with topless ladies and a jacuzzi. If I had to guess, all the ladies would be under 25. ST is 2000 with bar fine 700. I like the ladies because they are all natural. Tonight the vibe is excellent again with the ladies with a lot of energy. Great new bar.Interesting, you may not be so picky as me since I struggled to find many really pretty girls in 3 visits total.
A lot of what you say maybe close to correct if you refer to the jacuzzi girls only. I am surprised if they all go for 2K though so maybe I would take one. I do recall one with really nice tits and face quite reasonable.
Looking now at the whole bar:
Certainly some girls were spolied by nose jobs. I do struggle to remember if too many tit jobs but with Coyotes wearing a very hard bra under bikini top it is hard to tell.
Some young girls in bath had quite good tits topless.
I would be very surprised if Ni I spoke with was under 25. I think all under 25 is definitely an optimists outlook. Anyway actual age doesn't matter to be. Condition of the body matters. Body can be stuffed at age 22 easily enough or super at 30. I did not see any really ancient girls there.
I actually usually don't care much about all the girls at any place. The top 6 girls usually dominate my interest.
One coyote was somewhat pretty for me but she had a nose job and appeared to have silicones as well. So all girls natural is virtually impossible at any bar these days. Perhaps you mean the bar is not overrun with surgeries.
No bar I know of has a policy to keep out surgeries girls completely. Most bars encourage the surgeries which is sad for me.
Personally I prefer the line up of girls at Billboard and Twisters but maybe fewer girls who will go for 2000. I recall now one gogo girl with quite saggy tits and another with silicones. Neither particularly sexy for me as some of the Coyotes definitely had superior bodies.
Business at Jail Birdz is not exactly raging so I guess they have to take 2000 often. I was told the name is in process of being changed to Butterflies. I would be surprised if all the Coyote girls go for 2000, the gogo girls probably yes as tend to have bodies not so perfect.
It is very clear that mongering in Bangkok is not quite as affordable as it was back in 1991.
I stayed 5 weeks in 1991 and slept alone very rarely, with young girls with good bodies. Looking at my old photos, not every girl was as pretty as I would demand in the modern day, I was so easily taken in by a young sexy smile and hot body, compared to what I used to in the home country.
Bar girls were way cheaper than MP girls. I took girls for the night from Cowboy for 500 Baht to the girl and even 400 in one case. The 400 Baht girl did not want to leave and would have happily stayed with me 24 hours per day for several days. Hence the expression we pay the girl to leave. Was very true in the old days. Her face was a bit ordinary but a good body, and fucked bareback, she probably did not possess any condoms. Probably had a baby already, and father gone, I forget.
Total bill in a bar for drinks, BF, and the girl LT was not that much money.
Cowboy girls were not nude but topless. Only Phat Phong had nude dancing girls at all. Visited Phat Phong in daytime for BJ in public at the Kangaroo bar or Annies Rose. The girls there were really wayward or raunchy types. It was nothing unusual to go into a Phat Phong bar, and for a girl to come sit with you and straight away put you hand down her panties to get fingers straight inside her pussy. It was a way of hooking customers before you noticed she was only average on the prettiness scale. LOL.
My main MP was Thermae Soapy which had several pretty girls, and I did overnight with one of those girls plenty of times, but had to contend with plenty of other guys wanting to do the same. Thermae girl fucked me BB also, because she claimed my dick did not stay up really hard for a good long fuck with a condom on, or would even start drooping a little just while putting a condom on. LOL Had no Vitamin V in those days to turn us into pornstar endurance guys. I also used Chawala a little experiencing combination of proper massage with a pretty girl but with molesting the girl included and either HJ or BJ, I forget know.
I also used the Thermae Coffee shop late at night, and took same girl from there several nights running, she was so passionate on the bed, and had amazing tits. Maybe she was not bareback. I forget. There was almost no surgeries around in those days. Everything natural. Thermae was at its best at 1 am or 2 AM in those days after lots of other places were closing. Grace Hotel was also like Thermae Coffee shop but a bit inferior for me, older and less slim girls.
I had some real Thai massages but did not really enjoy them much (too powerful and not used it), and did not really try the naughty Oilies much.
There was little reason not to have a girl for LT every single night (almost) for several weeks. I did not even know if ST existed other than at MPs.
I don't believe Nana Plaza hard hardly got going in that year. I was not aware of it.
So what about the modern day? Girls are fatter at a younger age, there are far more surgeries, for me wrecking the looks, price of LT has gone up a lot, so that would not automatically take a LT every night any more, if at all. MP girls have become more affordable than bargirls, when previously was very much the reverse. Number of girls smoking may have actually declined. Use of condoms increased, even though new HIV case incidence per year was far greater in 1991 than it is now. Other STDs, I don't know the historical growth or decline. People became a little more informed about STDs in general, including cancers following certain genital warts for girls. People became less scared of Herpes which retains a high prevalence, after all most people have had a cold sore (whether HSV type 1 or 2) at some time, even if they did not know it.
Girls trying to look western or like fake dolls as in Baccara have become prevalent, where I don't recall any of that in 1991.
I think I posted these pics before. First two are girls from Thermae Coffee shop in approx. 1991. They both come from Phitsanulok so not officially Isaan girls, however one does not detect a great difference from Isaan looks. I thought both were quite pretty at the time, perhaps today, I would find them a bit more ordinary, still well above average looks, and all natural. Girl in white top had wide expansive no droop C cups, presumably no baby. Yes I would still do her in the modern day remembering how beautifully she DFKed all night (non smoker) and her magnificent tits. Hotel phone handset looks ancient and was of course. Girl could not speak English, other than a few words, and my Thai was very basic so understanding her babble was a serious challenge.
Nude gothic girl is I think from Nana Plaza in a subsequent year when I first went to Lollipop and Pretty Lady bars, showing natural good sized tits which could be found more easily in those days. I find her face a bit ugly now but did not worry about that over 20 years ago. She was not at all shy to pose for porno type stuff, not just naked.
I can't help wondering how much it cost to have young girls for 24 hours at Patong beech, Phuket, when I was there in 1983, unfortunately I was stuck with a Farang wife with me. Probably would have been way under 500 Baht. I recall meeting some goofy type guy that mentioned hiring girls for multiple days at that time but don't know the price.
Member #4591
12-15-16, 12:54
Interesting, you may not be so picky as me since I struggled to find many really pretty girls in 3 visits total.
A lot of what you say maybe close to correct if you refer to the jacuzzi girls only. I am surprised if they all go for 2K though so maybe I would take one. I do recall one with really nice tits and face quite reasonable.
Looking now at the whole bar:
Certainly some girls were spolied by nose jobs. I do struggle to remember if too many tit jobs but with Coyotes wearing a very hard bra under bikini top it is hard to tell.
Some young girls in bath had quite good tits topless.
I would be very surprised if Ni I spoke with was under 25. I think all under 25 is definitely an optimists outlook. Anyway actual age doesn't matter to be. Condition of the body matters. Body can be stuffed at age 22 easily enough or super at 30. I did not see any really ancient girls there.
I actually usually don't care much about all the girls at any place. The top 6 girls usually dominate my interest.
One coyote was somewhat pretty for me but she had a nose job and appeared to have silicones as well. So all girls natural is virtually impossible at any bar these days. Perhaps you mean the bar is not overrun with surgeries.
No bar I know of has a policy to keep out surgeries girls completely. Most bars encourage the surgeries which is sad for me.
Personally I prefer the line up of girls at Billboard and Twisters but maybe fewer girls who will go for 2000. I recall now one gogo girl with quite saggy tits and another with silicones. Neither particularly sexy for me as some of the Coyotes definitely had superior bodies.
Business at Jail Birdz is not exactly raging so I guess they have to take 2000 often. I was told the name is in process of being changed to Butterflies. I would be surprised if all the Coyote girls go for 2000, the gogo girls probably yes as tend to have bodies not so perfect.Here's he group of ladies I partied with. I barfined the one second from the left in the picture with the 6 ladies. The blond on the right was not included in my club partying. They were crazy by giving me naked dances in the club, flashing me their pussies on stage and everything. Back in the room in was a porn star experience with her pulling me out of her pussy for a BBBJ and then putting me back inside her again multiple times.
Great time! All no baby damage and not silicones.
I will be landing around 11:30 pm on a Saturday, staying at the JW Marriott. Figure I can probably get to the hotel, checked in, etc. By 1 am? Is that too optimistic?
If your plane is on time, then 1 am is realistic. I am not super expert on late night girl shopping but I have taken bar girls at 2 AM on occasion. So some bars will still be open to maybe 3 am, some may close earlier.
Most massage places close at 12 but not all. Personally, I don't really like take out from MPs, as girl can be overly tired if had a hard day at the MP and a lot of business. If she is not very good, then she might be fresher. I prefer to do take out only with girls I know well. There some very late night MPs, I have not used them.
You are close to Nana Plaza so that is a possibility for bars. There will also be street walkers till quite late, who are cheaper.
Thermae is an option but maybe closed by 2 AM. Others who know Thermae well can correct me on this time. I believe I got a Thermae girl close to 1. 30 AM recently but was starting to thin out a bit.
Guys have written many times about discos to pick up girls. I don't know the closing times for these but know that they vary a lot.
If was me I would probably get a girl from a Soi Cowboy bar, but that is me and I am likely to know the target girls already. I have plenty of Contacts on my line App to prearrange favorite girls as well.
Cart bars open very late used to be a good option, but I don't know if they really exist to any extent any more, or where they are located now.
There is always some way to get girls, and 1 AM is not a serious problem. Bars like Morning Night on Sukhumvit Soi 4 may well open by 9 AM if you look for another girl in the morning, or some massage places open at 10 AM.
Here's he group of ladies I partied with. I barfined the one second from the left in the picture with the 6 ladies. The blond on the right was not included in my club partying. They were crazy by giving me naked dances in the club, flashing me their pussies on stage and everything. Back in the room in was a porn star experience with her pulling me out of her pussy for a BBBJ and then putting me back inside her again multiple times.
Great time! All no baby damage and not silicones.LOL Your taste is a little different to mine, not a worry, but the Jacuzzi girls are the better girls in this bar.
I did see the odd Jacuzzi girl flash the pussy too, however not for me, as I was acting like the boring aloof customer at the time, till a girl that knew me approached. I always act very anti social till I work out which girls I like, to avoid too many girls approaching LOL. I can transform to more fun though, when I have got the right girl(s). Like Jekyll and Hide.
You can see that some girls in the pics, have nose jobs, most likely. The redhead on the right end looks pretty and has a clear nose job but its not too bad. Okay no silicone tits for the Jacuzzi girls. Your choice had a nose job, right? I am not 100% sure but seems so in the pic. I believe that the Jacuzzi girl that appealed to me maybe the 2nd from the right, if she had really great tits, yet the bridge of her nose looks suspiciously high?
Girls with very small noses is usually an indicator of no nose surgery, but pointy or high bridges is usually and indicator of surgery. Surgeries noses almost always look a bit odd to me, having Thailand experiences going back to times when surgeries were not so common.
I can see that when you say no surgeries, you are thinking of the tits, where I think of both nose and tits.
You can see that some girls in the pics, have nose jobs, right? Okay No silicone tits for the Jacuzzi girls. Your choice had a nose job. I would have picked a different girl, but its great that not all guys like the same thing.Why do you keep banging on and on about your preference for girls who have not had nose jobs Syz?
I haven't got anywhere as much free time as you to spend on this forum but a quick check of your last 10 posts revealed you mentioned how you dislike nose jobs in 8 of them. Boob jobs is a close second.
We get the message Syz. You don't like surgical enhancements. Leave it alone please. Your rejects are other guys' delights, and that's as it should be.
Why do you keep banging on and on about your preference for girls who have not had nose jobs Syz?
Yes okay My bad habit. I will try to adjust, somewhat. It is a fixation and major factor for me, but not so much for others.
Maybe I will try to talk "all natural" moreso, when trying to indicate why girls don't appeal.
Some guys can't do dark skin, or black girls. I largely avoid surgeries girls, in two categories. Sorry for that. I like girls that look slightly like French girls but with Asian eyes of course.
I also like girls with exotic looks like pornstar Annisa Kate for example with big lips and wobbly tits.
Yes okay My bad habit. I will try to adjust, somewhat. It is a fixation and major factor for me, but not so much for others.
I don't have any problem at all about your preferences Syz. That's absolutely your prerogative.
I just don't want to read about your personal preferences in almost all posts. It's been very well documented LOL.
You are very experienced, have a heap of information to share and you are a renowned source of data, just as long as you stick to describing your successes instead of detailing why you reject 90% of the girls you see or meet.
Happy Holidays.
Those who don't like Crazy House need not read.
I was surprised at how few girls at CH that I was well acquainted with recently:
Some known girls seen:
Bo. Big tits.
Praow (ex Doll House).
No. 3 Off / Aor?
No. 4 Jane.
Mo. 93 Jun.
No. 28 Boom.
Uui (skinny).
Known but never BFed:
Kratae (looks like Rihanna).
Taeng Mo (used to wear secretary glasses for fun).
Can only list 9 girls ever BFed or at least had conversations with, and not all of those present on same day.
That means in a line up for 40 girls, I might know only 3 or 4, somewhat.
Huge change in just a few months. Only Jane and Jun still on my repeatable list, and those were only girls I sessioned.
Girls not seen:
No. 1 Nikki.
No. 49 May-Lee (gone nearly a year).
No. 21 Donut.
No. 40 Ging Gaew.
No. 54 Naam.
No. 78 Noi.
No. 91 Oom.
May.
Naen x 2.
Taeng Mo (trainee nurse).
Mon.
Mai.
Chocolat.
Two girls at least, left to have a baby. Others may now have a sponsor or BF looking after them. Even my waitress disappeared, perhaps customers were getting her too drunk on tequilas, although she could have chosen to drink something else.
There are quite a few more girls recognised but never acquainted with, however feels like line up had biggest changes ever in last few months.
Very few girls from the first year are left now. Seems like they accept any standard of girl these days where originally there was a certain standard of good looks.
CH was scheduled to expand into Old Dutch Restaurant some time when lease expires, but I am not sure business is currently that good to warrant it.
More pretty girls are needed.
Similarly the number of girls I knew at Suzie Wong has dropped off also, although perhaps not quite as a big of a change. Doll House had radical change, after ex owner took the big plunge off the balcony, and only about 2 girls remained that I knew. Mercury in Nana has only 1 girl left that I know slightly. Only saw one waitress known at Twisters and did not see any known girls Billboard.
So I am feeling many bars have experienced significant turn over of girls. Not sure the exact reason, or if month of mourning made a difference, or Government crackdowns. Is it all part of a general decline in standards and fun. I probably had the most fun with a short visit to Toy Bar at midnight or so, with just two girls that appealed to me. The music in there was great and really good for girls to dance to. All natural girls, I think. LOL
Cart bars on Sukhumvit and Asoke disappeared. So that is massive change.
just as long as you stick to describing your successes instead of detailing why you reject 90% of the girls you see or meet.
I agree that positive experiences are far more useful than negative stuff. However If I did not like a place, I felt obliged to indicate my personal bias, so that others could make allowance for it. It is known that Baccara is the best bar in cowboy with gorgeous girls, right? However not my taste at all.
So I include caveats in my assessment. LOL.
Here's he group of ladies I partied with. I barfined the one second from the left in the picture with the 6 ladies. The blond on the right was not included in my club partying. They were crazy by giving me naked dances in the club, flashing me their pussies on stage and everything. Back in the room in was a porn star experience with her pulling me out of her pussy for a BBBJ and then putting me back inside her again multiple times.
Great time! All no baby damage and not silicones.I was really impressed with one stunning Jacuzzi girl in Billboard named Som with bob cut hair, and very beautiful wide high tits, and just worked 1 month after turning 18. She said she goes for 3000. LOL I did not BF her at the time. Was wary, although she certainly has the body to be popular. Face very nice too (with teeth braces). Was scared performance might not be up to it, with limited experience. If 2000 I might have risked it, however I did not try to bargain at the time.
Member #4698
12-15-16, 16:32
I was surprised at how few girls at CH that I was well acquainted with recently:
Some known girls seen:
Bo. Big tits.
Praow (ex Doll House).
No. 3 Off / Aor?
No. 4 Jane.
Mo. 93 Jun.
No. 28 Boom.
Uui (skinny).
Known but never BFed:
Kratae (looks like Rihanna).
Taeng Mo (used to wear secretary glasses for fun).
One of my regulars is on your known seen list. I think you know who she is. You once told me she was dick scared with you. All I can say is she is not dick scared with me. 555. Maybe my dick is smaller than yours or maybe she ain't dick scared no more, period. Who knows? My other CH regular did not make your known seen list. She is a nice girl with very small breasts and a tight little body. When she dances she lets her long hair discreetly cover her nipples. She has an older sister who is not as good in the sack. I know cause I tried her twice, the sister that is. So that's the way it goes. There are a couple of other CH girls that I am knowledgeable about. One put on very large sillicones since I used to run around with her. Another has gone MIA in 2016 and her best bar room friend is clueless as to where she is. And a third is a real nice girl that I wouldn't mind getting reacquainted with. I will have my eye out for her. In addition, I also am aware of the CH superstar you refer to occasionally. I caught sight of her a few times, but she was on a trajectory that did not lead her to me. Perhaps one day out paths will cross more definitively.
I am also looking forward to checking out Twisters, Billboards, Mandarin (2nd floor), and believe it or not Pink Panther which I have heard very good things about. I am not really a fan of social media hookups and aside from doing 141 dot com Korean, Chinese, and Japanese hotel reservation girls in Hong Kong, I am not very familiar with this venue. But, I may try my luck on my next trip if I get bored. Currently I am getting lots of contact hits off Badoo since I preset my location to BKK. I am definitely not into escorts. Fake pictures, empty promises; its too much to rely on if you ask me and I don't like the idea of waiting around my hotel room for a girl I do not know to show up. Finally, If I lived in BKK I would definitely invest in a G-club membership and see what I could pull from this venue. Fuck it, I might get a membership anyway at the beginning of my 5 week visit just to see what can happen and give something different a real chance.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we all feel that things were better 20 years ago, maybe, but there are still plenty of sexy nice girls out there if you take the time to look. Personally I enjoy the hunt. I think you do too. So all things considered, I still think BKK is the best place around. Even though I like Jakarta & Manila girls a lot, I would not want to stay longer than a couple of weeks in either metropolitan jungle unless I had to for business reasons. I love Chinese girls too, but 5 or 6 days in Macau and I am ready to fly on to Manila or BKK. There is nothing to do in Macau during the day. It is a small town. I could name a number of other well known Asian watering holes, but none of them have as much to offer as BKK including Pattaya. So unless I discover some new place I never head of before, I will keep coming back to BKK because IMHO its still numero uno.
I just had one of the most action packed 12 hours spent in Bangkok. Excellent report, Asianexpat, thanks for the blow-by-blow. Sounds like you had an excellent time. My impression of the African girls is that they are really the hard-core pros. They are here to make coin, and so they just get down to business. My guess is that you built rapport with them at the end mostly because the deed was done. They could relax then.
Anyway, I'm also impressed with your pics. Your surreptitious photography skills are impressive.
PerkinWarbeck
12-16-16, 01:42
I hit Twisters last night and found a gorgeous 22 year old spinner named Patty. She was dick scared at first, but really warmed up to it. 3 k ST+1 k BF.
One of my regulars is on your known seen list. I think you know who she is. You once told me she was dick scared with you. All I can say is she is not dick scared with me. 555. Maybe my dick is smaller than yours or maybe she ain't dick scared no more, period. Who knows? My other CH regular did not make your known seen list. She is a nice girl with very small breasts and a tight little body. When she dances she lets her long hair discreetly cover her nipples. She has an older sister who is not as good in the sack. I know cause I tried her twice, the sister that is. So that's the way it goes. There are a couple of other CH girls that I am knowledgeable about. One put on very large sillicones since I used to run around with her. Another has gone MIA in 2016 and her best bar room friend is clueless as to where she is. And a third is a real nice girl that I wouldn't mind getting reacquainted with. I will have my eye out for her. In addition, I also am aware of the CH superstar you refer to occasionally. I caught sight of her a few times, but she was on a trajectory that did not lead her to me. Perhaps one day out paths will cross more definitively.
I am also looking forward to checking out Twisters, Billboards, Mandarin (2nd floor), and believe it or not Pink Panther which I have heard very good things about. I am not really a fan of social media hookups and aside from doing 141 dot com Korean, Chinese, and Japanese hotel reservation girls in Hong Kong, I am not very familiar with this venue. But, I may try my luck on my next trip if I get bored. Currently I am getting lots of contact hits off Badoo since I preset my location to BKK. I am definitely not into escorts. Fake pictures, empty promises; its too much to rely on if you ask me and I don't like the idea of waiting around my hotel room for a girl I do not know to show up. Finally, If I lived in BKK I would definitely invest in a G-club membership and see what I could pull from this venue. Fuck it, I might get a membership anyway at the beginning of my 5 week visit just to see what can happen and give something different a real chance.
I know I listed one of your girls. But I don't know who the others, or forgot. Some girls do change a lot. I tried No. 3 when she was new. Mistake as she was very timid, and apprehensive, and looked really miserable at times, trying to get used to being a naked dancer. Many months later her personality has changed a lot and she is now provocatively sexy, even a little bit raunchy and not shy with me any more, although not really a top body. Maybe she really likes dick now. LOL. Her face is her better attribute. I probably tried your girl when she quite new as well, who was also apprehensive at the time. I am such a scary ogre, LOL, pussycat actually. Not very demanding other than take time to cum.
I am not sure which girl you mean by the superstar. Three extremely busy girls were: Jane (petitie and very sexy), Ging Gaew (cute and big tits), Donut (the prettiest for my taste and great slim body). Jane is the best on the bed for skills, but Donut was always my No. 1 priority. Donut claims she has not worked at CH for quite some time now (by message). She is infrequently available for private booking as well, due to studies in another province, private life, etc.
Yes still plenty of hot girls. They have not all declined for looks. It just takes effort to look, being picky, and mongering costs are steeper.
Check out Mandarin 2nd, by all means, however I found it to be really dead and lacklustre at last visit. The number of customers was extremely small compared to Billboard, Twisters, CH, Baccara, etc. If it was also a very small bar, that would be O.K., but it seemed to be more indicating customers were no longer interested in this place. Music was so poor, that half the dancers did not even shuffle. Bored out of their brains. Could easily improve again, if smart action taken. Line up had no stunners for me.
At around 6 PM I headed out for my dinner and decided to walk to Nana. Actually, I wanted to find Annie's massage there but it seems that they have moved, so I couldn't find them. The walkway through from Soi 4 to Soi 2 and Annies by the 7 Eleven store on the right and Rajah Hotel on the left, may have become partially or totally obstructed by construction work, making Annies harder to get to from Soi 4. From Soi 2 it is as obvious as ever opposite Majestic Grande Hotel.
DecrepitInsane
12-16-16, 10:48
I agree that positive experiences are far more useful than negative stuff. However If I did not like a place, I felt obliged to indicate my personal bias, so that others could make allowance for it. It is known that Baccara is the best bar in cowboy with gorgeous girls, right? However not my taste at all.
So I include caveats in my assessment. LOL.Went to Baccara at around 11.30 pm last Saturday and it was full of Korean and Japanese guests. Moved over to Tilac Bar which was well patronized by European's and decided to hang on for a couple of drinks there. The coyote's were very quite busy trying to get me to buy them drinks, but the normal "nickerless" girls were not that pushy. I have had good memories of this place over the years.
Went over to Shock 39 and hooked up with a girl by the name of Anne. Wanted 4000 for the night (morning actually). Brought down to 3 k and went back to my hotel. Had some Vodka in the room as well and got down to some solid business. Very pleasing type of mentality.
Sounds like the Lana I know! She drive a white Toyota Altis?
Recently, I went to Spasso near the close (2:30 am? Couldn't even get a drink from the bartenders. Good, saved me money. I made a round and as I was walking out, some hot chick made eye contact with me, so I altered my trajectory and ended up in her orbit. Was quick negotiation. She said 5000 short time, I said 2000, she laughed at me, we settled for 3000.
Only mistake I did was to let her take me to a low-class short-time motel on Soi Ruamrudee when a perfectly good alternative, the PB hotel off Sukhumvit Soi 3, was pretty much same distance and price.
Anyway, I don't remember much, except her name was Lana, and she was pretty good. Covered BJ was the low point of her performance. But then she invited me to do A+ on her, and that was cool. She said fuck my pussy first. So I did, and when I went in through the backdoor it was kind of hurting her, but in a sort of fake way.
One weird thing about the girls from Spasso is that they insist to be paid upfront. I always answer: "I've been with many girls here and I never do that. " I just keep repeating it. This may not be the optimal answer, but who knows? I certainly don't want to engage the discussion on trust, give you good time, feel more relaxed / secure / comfortable, etc. Eventually Lana relented, but she asked instead to see my ID. So, I showed her some foreign ID with my picture on it, and she memorized every line on it: problem solved!
Overall, she was well worth the vastly inflated price. Just a cut above Climax. I wouldn't do Spasso all the time, but it has a place in the rotation. The girls basically check you out, so just hang around in there and wait for one to make eye contact. Then bingo!
Eric Swiss
12-17-16, 04:17
Sounds like the Lana I know! She drive a white Toyota Altis?Don't know, Mate, with her it was taxi material.
She also mentioned some convoluted story about how a former long-term sponsor was at the bar that night, but I paid no attention.
Arn Poddict
12-17-16, 17:02
I think I posted these pics before. First two are girls from Thermae Coffee shop in approx. 1991. They both come from Phitsanulok so not officially Isaan girls, however one does not detect a great difference from Isaan looks. I thought both were quite pretty at the time, perhaps today, I would find them a bit more ordinary, still well above average looks, and all natural. Girl in white top had wide expansive no droop C cups, presumably no baby. Yes I would still do her in the modern day remembering how beautifully she DFKed all night (non smoker) and her magnificent tits. Hotel phone handset looks ancient and was of course. Girl could not speak English, other than a few words, and my Thai was very basic so understanding her babble was a serious challenge.At least the huge blue phone handset looks magnificent in your photo.
Here is a picture of Thermae girl's ample natural tits from 2016.
Eric Swiss
12-18-16, 04:24
Being well up in the triple digits, I thought I'd seen everything, and I've seen all sorts of antics over the years, but this topped the cake.
The night started normally enough at Nana 3rd floor Jail Birdz. Some chick with huge round wide-rimmed glasses tried to hit me for a lady drink 3 times, but I wasn't into her so I told here I was just here to drink a beer. So far, so good. Then number 51 came off the stage and basically sat on my lap and started gyrating, so I thought that was defintely lady-drink worthy. She asked for 4000 short-time, which I probably could have negotiated down to 3000, plus barfine (I think) 1000, for a total of 4000. Not taking it turned out a huge mistake in hindsight. I am more picking freelancers in clubs now, and for that kind of money I can get an excellent one from Spasso / Mixx or for half the money a regular one from Climax / Insanity.
So I left and went to Climax, and ended up picking up this 25 year old chick named Aimee. We did a bit of dirty dancing before I invited her to join me in a hotel. In the lobby on the way out she had an afterthought and asked how much I would give her, to which I replied 2000, and she was happy. We went to PB hotel. Once there, she was a disaster in bed. Her body looked awesome, very skinny, no baby marks (even though she has two sons), just perfect. But starfish does not even begin to describe the experience. Starfish that telegraphs she'd rather be at home cutting her toenails is more like it.
Very quickly, I said this was not working and I offered her 1000 to just leave right now. She said OK, but as we know in Thailand that doesn't mean much. She was fully dressed except for her shoes when it hit her that I had paid her for the privilege of not fucking her. Turns out the father of her sons had dumped her recently because she was not good in bed. So inadvertently I hit a raw nerve. But I sympathize with the guy.
Then she asks if I'm going to Climax to pick up another girl, to which I respond no I go to Levels, she can go back to Climax herself and there will be no awkward moment. I must have flipped the jealousy switch, her mind picturing me in the same bed with one of these sluts from Levels giving me the time of my life, and all of a sudden she wanted to fuck me again. I said there are 3 possibilities: 1) you take 1000 right now and you go. 2) we fuck again but if you still cannot make me cum like last time you still only get 1000.3) You make me cum and you get the full 2000. Any sane person would have taken the first option, given the disaster in the bedroom before, but due to self-esteem issues and jealousy she picked the third. She was determined to prove to me she was good in bed.
So I lie back, at that moment you can imagine I am pretty pissed off at the girl, in a foul mood, and absolutely not horny from all the argumentation. She starts BBBJ and I think to myself there is no chance in hell she can get me up. Obviously, I was completely wrong. Very soon I was sporting a raging hard erection. I don't know if it was her compliance, the dedication with which she was sucking, or the fact that I genuinely disliked her by that point that somehow transformed itself into a sexual charge, but I just slipped a condom on and banged the shit out of her for the next half-hour. And she was a willing and able participant. I wasn't even thinking about her, I was using her body for my pure sexual pleasure, and it was one of the most memorable fucks I've had. She was frigging her clit furiously and making semi-convincing moans (by Thai standards).
So anyway, you guessed it, she got her 2000. If her point was to prove to me she was good in bed, I hate to say it, but she was right and I was wrong. Would I repeat or recommend? Well, you probably also guessed that's going to be a no.
So anyway, you guessed it, she got her 2000. If her point was to prove to me she was good in bed, I hate to say it, but she was right and I was wrong. Would I repeat or recommend? Well, you probably also guessed that's going to be a no.On occasion, I have met an incredibly sexy girl in a bar, who later turned out to be a starfish. I have always thought, she must be able to be better if in the mood for it and actually horny. Always makes me think that I will probably never try her again, and may not know how good she could be.
Could be some girls want to fuck a much younger man. Others like how older guys treat them.
One interesting case was Crazy House girl May-Lee. First time I took her, she wasn't exactly a starfish, but very lack lustre. The chemistry wasn't working I could tell. I thought that I had not spent enough time drinking with her and building a chemistry.
She had a great body and was stunning. So one day I decided to buy her a couple of tequilas anyway and sit with me, even if we may not fuck. Bought drinks for Noi as well who was normally a good fuck. In the end we were all a bit tipsy (well probably not me), and I BFed both girls, thinking that if May-Lee was still lack lustre, I would have Noi.
Turned out that Noi was feeling sick from too much alcohol and was not going to give good sex. May-Lee however stepped up. She was slightly inebriated and somehow she had changed to a horny passionate girl and gave me a really great fuck. She forgot she did not like kissing that much the first time. Now I was hooked on her. Very beautiful and able to perform. Unfortunately she is not in CH this year.
I like to buy the shyer girls a tequila or two to loosen up their morals. I also prefer to not buy tequilas for girls getting too drunk. It is a fine balance that is needed at times.
From that time on I always avoided to take Noi if she had been drinking. One pathetic session put me off her. Most girls drink Yaa Dong alcoholic drink to stop from being shy, but not all.
Eric Swiss
12-18-16, 10:31
One interesting case was Crazy House girl May-Lee. First time I took her, she wasn't exactly a starfish, but very lack lustre. The chemistry wasn't working I could tell. I thought that I had not spent enough time drinking with her and building a chemistry.
She had a great body and was stunning. So one day I decided to buy her a couple of tequilas anyway and sit with me, even if we may not fuck. Bought drinks for Noi as well who was normally a good fuck. In the end we were all a bit tipsy (well probably not me), and I BFed both girls, thinking that if May-Lee was still lack lustre, I would have Noi.
Turned out that Noi was feeling sick from too much alcohol and was not going to give good sex. May-Lee however stepped up. She was slightly inebriated and somehow she had changed to a horny passionate girl and gave me a really great fuck. She forgot she did not like kissing that much the first time. Now I was hooked on her. Very beautiful and able to perform. Unfortunately she is not in CH this year.
I like to buy the shyer girls a tequila or two to loosen up their morals. I also prefer to not buy tequilas for girls getting too drunk. It is a fine balance that is needed at times.
From that time on I always avoided to take Noi if she had been drinking. One pathetic session put me off her. Most girls drink Yaa Dong alcoholic drink to stop from being shy, but not all.Interesting story! On that front, I think Aimee had a bit too much to drink (although not my fault, because I did not buy her any drink; and somewhat surprising, because it was still pretty early by Climax standards; and not immediately detectable but became gradually clearer over the course of the night, but still looked manageable).
Then when she kind of sobered up in the hotel she realized she would have to go back to her friends at Climax and explain the farang only gave her 1000 because she was lousy in the sack, which would have made her lose face, so she decided to throw everything she had into a last-ditch battle for ejaculation. Which she won with panache against overwhelming odds.
Then when she kind of sobered up in the hotel she realized she would have to go back to her friends at Climax and explain the farang only gave her 1000 because she was lousy in the sack, which would have made her lose face, so she decided to throw everything she had into a last-ditch battle for ejaculation. Which she won with panache against overwhelming odds.Well its pretty amusing. Girls may not tell their friends 100% truth, if if the truth is undesirable. I wish I could motive girls to perform by indicating I will tell all the girls back at the shop how lousy she was. LOL I have been known to spill the beans somewhat when on a future visit some other girl asks me how it went last time. I am not going to lie and say was great when clearly I don't want to repeat that girl. I have been known to mention that some girl was a "plaa daow" starfish or stiff legs scared of the dick going in, or in many cases just "mai sanook" (not fun), is enough information. If last girl was good, I am usually honest enough to say so.
Girls in a bar often start to get an idea about which girls have a good reputation with customers very happy and those where customers are unhappy. I even found trusted girls willing to advise me about selecting girls other than themselves, like which girls are lousy or which have bad character.
Member #4698
12-18-16, 18:49
Girls in a bar often start to get an idea about which girls have a good reputation with customers very happy and those where customers are unhappy. I even found trusted girls willing to advise me about selecting girls other than themselves, like which girls are lousy or which have bad character.This is where a good waitress earns her tips and free drinks, by knowing the kind of girl I like and letting me know who I might be interested in.
It is also amazing how quickly "girls in a bar ... start to get an idea about which" CUSTOMERS "have a good reputation" and treat their girls good. I can literally sense my stature (rating) rising amongst the girls I do not even barfine as I spend more and more time in a particular bar. Girls see a lot from the stage and they talk.
Hi all,
My first trip coming up January. And I have a question. Is there bars which have different nationalities like I would like to find some Vietnamese girls. Or maybe a escort service that could provide? And do you guys transfer some cash to Baht before you fly? I fly in late and counters will be closed I bet. And how about late transportation choices?
Thanks,
Geano.
Hi all,
My first trip coming up January. And I have a question. Is there bars which have different nationalities like I would like to find some Vietnamese girls. Or maybe a escort service that could provide? And do you guys transfer some cash to Baht before you fly? I fly in late and counters will be closed I bet. And how about late transportation choices?
Thanks,
Geano.Nearly all of your preconceived ideas seem to be off the mark. So its lucky you ask.
Girls that do not have a Thai ID Card of citizenship cannot work in the bar.
I never met a Viet girl in Thailand to my knowledge. Plenty of Chinese, Myanmar, Cambodian, Laos and Filipinas. In my home country plenty of Vietnamese but not many pretty ones, just the odd stunner, and very few were hookers. Better to go to Vietnam I am sure.
There is plenty of predudice in Thailand about people from China and Vietnam, probably due to culture clash.
You don't come to Thailand looking for Viet girls. That is silly, IMO. You should be coming with intention to do Thai girls and if happen to meet something extra appealing African or Russian, so be it but very rarely are the foreign girls that good looking. I saw one stunning black girl but still failed to do her as she was busy talking to the owner of the sports pub. I had no opportunity to get to her alone. Only the one stunner. Some discos will have foreign girls.
I have done Cambodian and Myanmar girls. Not so different to Thai. Also Filipinas not in Thailand.
If you change cash to Baht before you arrive in Thailand, it is almost certain you will be ripped off with a bad exchange rate. Travelex is really bad news. You can get Baht at the airport in Bangkok.
Cash and taxis are available 24 hours a day. If someone offers you a taxi or limo in arrivals will be a bad price too. Go to taxi rank is better
Hi all,
My first trip coming up January. And I have a question. Is there bars which have different nationalities like I would like to find some Vietnamese girls. Or maybe a escort service that could provide? And do you guys transfer some cash to Baht before you fly? I fly in late and counters will be closed I bet. And how about late transportation choices?
Thanks,
Geano.BKK is not KL or Singapore or HKG where you find different nationals
Doesn't make sense for them to reach a low price market and enter in heavy competition with the local providers.
You might find some Africans in low sukhumvit, soi 3 to 7/1, FLancing in the sidewalk. Some are reported to be scams or low service.
BKK airport operates 24 hrs a day and exchange counters are everywhere, including the luggage area. P, before immigration, after luggage.
Escort services? Most of the girls can be found in gogos or are freelancing. No need to pay the agency fee.
Better hit the road than setting an agenda beforehand. Thai Friendly is a good option.
Eszpresszo
12-19-16, 04:22
Hi all,
My first trip coming up January. And I have a question. Is there bars which have different nationalities like I would like to find some Vietnamese girls. Or maybe a escort service that could provide? And do you guys transfer some cash to Baht before you fly? I fly in late and counters will be closed I bet. And how about late transportation choices?
Thanks,
Geano.You didn't mention how late you would be arriving, but a while back I had a similar concern arriving at 11:20 PM, wondering what would be available to me after I got to my hotel after midnight. Well, it turns out it was for naught. Though I eventually made it to Thailand, on an earlier flight, I quickly learned how much is open around Sukhumvit in the wee hours. After a vigorous hour with a freelancer on my first evening there, I strayed out onto the street at a little past two. I was surprised how many freelancers were out in front of the Ruamchitt Plaza. I walked up the road and saw many things open though a lot of things closed. Plenty of freelancers out there. Turned onto Soi 4 and the beer bars were shutting down, but plenty of free lancers on that Soi. Strolled up Soi 3 to the Grace Hotel and plenty of plump freelancers standing around. Went back down Sukhumvit the other side, and was saw some places still open. You shouldn't have any problem finding food, drink, a massage or a girl just after 2 AM. I am pretty sure I saw some money exchanges open, too.
SomeMongerer
12-19-16, 08:54
http://bangkok.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/im-prettyandnaughty-girl-find-guy-for-kiss/3389061
Her pics look great. Not sure if its real and good service?
You didn't mention how late you would be arriving, but a while back I had a similar concern arriving at 11:20 PM, wondering what would be available to me after I got to my hotel after midnight. Well, it turns out it was for naught. Though I eventually made it to Thailand, on an earlier flight, I quickly learned how much is open around Sukhumvit in the wee hours. After a vigorous hour with a freelancer on my first evening there, I strayed out onto the street at a little past two. I was surprised how many freelancers were out in front of the Ruamchitt Plaza. I walked up the road and saw many things open though a lot of things closed. Plenty of freelancers out there. Turned onto Soi 4 and the beer bars were shutting down, but plenty of free lancers on that Soi. Strolled up Soi 3 to the Grace Hotel and plenty of plump freelancers standing around. Went back down Sukhumvit the other side, and was saw some places still open. You shouldn't have any problem finding food, drink, a massage or a girl just after 2 AM. I am pretty sure I saw some money exchanges open, too.Eszpresszo,
Thanks for the tips, does the tram / train stop running at a certain time to and from the airport BKK? It might be 11:30 pm by the time I leave the airport. Have you guys used a Uber ride in Bangkok? Any one have info on Vietnamese girls in Bangkok? Thanks all, Geano.
Syzygies,
Thank you very much for the input, very helpful!
Thankfully I used points to switch to a business class ticket arriving at 1030 pm so I should have a lot less time pressure (and hopefully arrive more well-rested and ready for action).
Think I will plan to hit the Cowboy bars (Crazy House, any other suggestions if looking for quality experience over price? Unless anyone is aware of providers of high-quality a-level experiences at that hour.
EricSwiss- that's got to be one of the more entertaining stories I've read on the board in a while!
Roaming Viking
12-19-16, 15:30
Greetings and happy holidays.
I still winter in SE Asia and always start out in BangCock. I arrived after an exhausting flight that lasted more than 20 hours but still managed one shot with a Nana Parking lot FT at 2 AM. Mixed results. She was one of these money girls who agrees on a price only to renege when the action begins. She wouldn't even blow me, blaming her denture. That's a first. Then out of nowhere she guides me inside her uncovered. I was in shock but did not react in time and blew my wad right then and there. Now I am all anxious about the possible consequences of my lapse in concentration. First time I let it happen and worry now about the consequences, but I like to think that such short exposure will turn out OK for me. It was a very strange experience, one that I will not repeat if I can help it and which I attribute to my exhaustion. Any fellow mongers with a similar experience?
Next day I had a so so experience with another Nana FL and then headed to my old haunt, Snowwhite. Tar is gone. Married to a farang lke me and went back to Issan where she was building a house. She was great and I wish her well in her new life. I found a new provider, Audi, like the car. She was a superb GF and took care of me really good. She turned out to be very much A+ and I plowed her sweet ass like there was no tomorrow. She took me all the way in! And then I finished off in her mouth with her sucking until I was totally spent. Otherwise the providers at Tulip and Mango look quite jaded with a lot of mileage. I did not partake but forgot to check Cherry. As always, any tips from my fellows greatly appreciated. Tonite I might pay my respects at Kasalong and L* If I have the stamina and am in the mood. I am getting a bit old for multiple pops in one day.
Later the same day / evening. I took a stroll around 10 or so. Ann at L* is gone to live with farang boyfriend but there were a few youngish-looking girls around that looked very sexy in their uniforms. I decided to take a pass, however, feeling quite burned out after my adventure at SW. Next door, the girls at Kasalong did not look as good, I must say.
Somewhere15
12-19-16, 16:29
Bangkok Beat is scheduled to re-open mid December as New Wave II, so feel free to exhale LOL.
SL.I spoke yesterday to a former staff member of Bangkok Beat.
She told me that the previous owner has sold everything and that the new bar will be open as of Friday this week, December 23th 2017.
Pool tables and larger TV screens that will it be. No band, no live music no DJ.
Not sure if their is a link between the previous New Wave from Soi 5 (as they first moved from the building that was demolist around 2 years ago into the smaller bar opposite of the old location). The old premisses was oke with many pool tables but I never found my (pool) way into the smaller location.
Will see and test.
Syzygies,
Thank you very much for the input, very helpful!
Thankfully I used points to switch to a business class ticket arriving at 1030 pm so I should have a lot less time pressure (and hopefully arrive more well-rested and ready for action).
Think I will plan to hit the Cowboy bars (Crazy House, any other suggestions if looking for quality experience over price? Unless anyone is aware of providers of high-quality a-level experiences at that hour.
EricSwiss- that's got to be one of the more entertaining stories I've read on the board in a while!CH is one bar I like due to nudity and not too overrun with surgeries. Just my taste though. I don't know if you like skinny girls like I do. You could easily get a poor performer on the bed. Has been known to happen, unless you happen to get one of my highly recommended girls (not many are left. Alas). Might have been better to go to Snow White to get an almost sure thing performer, although closing time is the big problem here.
As you are arriving not too late, suggest you get a girl fairly quickly from somewhere. Suzi Wong may have more reliable girls on the bed than CH. I had very few duds from there ever, but looks are overall lower. Still a few slim girls. A few girls I have enjoyed at Suzi before are Knot, Naam, Yao, Dtom, Anne, and I expect Pat is good (all slim types - 3 currently have implants was not always so)
If your first girl proves to be dud, then kick her out quickly so you have plenty of time to go get another. That is what I would do. By all means try a few places if you have time. If lacking viable options there are street walkers who can be had for 1500 Baht or even less.
Nothing is guaranteed fool proof.
I spoke yesterday to a former staff member of Bangkok Beat.
She told me that the previous owner has sold everything and that the new bar will be open as of Friday this week, December 23th 2017.
Pool tables and larger TV screens that will it be. No band, no live music no DJ.
No band and DJ could be a plus for me (too much noise) provided music chosen is good, and volume not too high. Would be nice to be able to talk to someone in there. When I went there, the band sound was not really top quality. Big on distortion, possibly poor quality equipment and talent so so.
Syzygies,
Thanks again for the info. I believe our tastes may be somewhat similar in terms of aesthetics; definitely prefer skinny girls as long as they're not completely flat-chested.
Assume very difficult or impossible to find A+ girls in gogos?
Also, with respect to Suzi Wong's, I've heard they have lesbian girls who you can take for "true" MFF threesomes (as opposed to the more typical one girl kind of lies there looking bored while you bang her friend, then they swap places)? Any intel on that front would be appreciated as that would be a novel experience for me.
Crocodilexp
12-20-16, 02:02
Thanks for the tips, does the tram / train stop running at a certain time to and from the airport BKK? It might be 11:30 pm by the time I leave the airport. Have you guys used a Uber ride in Bangkok? Any one have info on Vietnamese girls in Bangkok?All transit trains (Airport Link, BTS, MRT) stop running at midnight. Don't worry, taxis are cheap (250-400 baht, depending on the destination) and around midnight the traffic is light.
Uber works fine if you're OK with paying more than a typical metered fare and wait while 20 empty taxis pass right in front of you (I'm not). Uber to the airports is a scam (1000 baht flat rate, 3-5 x the metered price).
You won't find any Vietnamese working girls in Bangkok. It's not absolutely impossible (I've done two Vietnamese in Bangkok over the last 10 years, one off Craigslist, one a street walker around Wong Wian 22), they're just not out there in any significant numbers. There is no point for them to work in Thailand. For the Vietnamese, go to Phnom Penh, Kuala Lumpur, Singapore or Saigon.
Bangkok prostitution scene does NOT feature many different nationalities. You'll find some African or Central Asian (aka "Russian") dregs on visa rotation throughout SE Asia (they stay in each country on the circuit for a while), but with plenty of domestic supply, there's no point for Chinese/Vietnamese/Koreans etc to work in Thailand as opposed to more lucrative destinations (e.g. Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong). You might stumble upon an occasional Lao, Burmese or Cambodian, since they're neighboring countries.
All transit trains (Airport Link, BTS, MRT) stop running at midnight. Don't worry, taxis are cheap (250-400 baht, depending on the destination) and around midnight the traffic is light.
Uber works fine if you're OK with paying more than a typical metered fare and wait while 20 empty taxis pass right in front of you (I'm not). Uber to the airports is a scam (1000 baht flat rate, 3-5 x the metered price).
You won't find any Vietnamese working girls in Bangkok. It's not absolutely impossible (I've done two Vietnamese in Bangkok over the last 10 years, one off Craigslist, one a street walker around Wong Wian 22), they're just not out there in any significant numbers. There is no point for them to work in Thailand. For the Vietnamese, go to Phnom Penh, Kuala Lumpur, Singapore or Saigon.
Bangkok prostitution scene does NOT feature many different nationalities. You'll find some African or Central Asian (aka "Russian") dregs on visa rotation throughout SE Asia (they stay in each country on the circuit for a while), but with plenty of domestic supply, there's no point for Chinese/Vietnamese/Koreans etc to work in Thailand as opposed to more lucrative destinations (e.g. Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong). You might stumble upon an occasional Lao, Burmese or Cambodian, since they're neighboring countries.Thanks my friend, I will do the Metered Taxi. 4 nights in Sukhumvit then 5 in Pattaya. I will be reporting.
Thanks Geano.
Syzygies,
Thanks again for the info. I believe our tastes may be somewhat similar in terms of aesthetics; definitely prefer skinny girls as long as they're not completely flat-chested.
Assume very difficult or impossible to find A+ girls in gogos?
Also, with respect to Suzi Wong's, I've heard they have lesbian girls who you can take for "true" MFF threesomes (as opposed to the more typical one girl kind of lies there looking bored while you bang her friend, then they swap places)? Any intel on that front would be appreciated as that would be a novel experience for me.I take quite flat chested girls on occasion. I prefer it over silicones or highly saggy. I also take big tits if nicely shaped. Face, ass, legs, pussy, and waist are more important to me than tit size.
Yes hard to find A+ in gogos. For A+, go to Tulip, Snow White, Bongkot, etc. Threesomes should be possible there (if you have the energy).
I have written about threesomes from Suzi Wong many times. It used to be my goto place to get threesomes, and they always went very well. Lesbian show girls are very used to interacting with other girls, and had a small number of true bisexuals. Bisexual Bo is gone now, and has a husband and baby. So yes, never had any problem with one girl disappearing or acting disinterested while fucking another. Good to get balls licked while fucking another in doggy, or have one girl sitting on the dick and another sitting on your face. Two girl BBBJ is also good. Lots of special things to enjoy. Fingering one pussy while fucking another. Both hands fingering a separate pussy, etc. I even love tongue kissing two girls concurrently. The three tongues coming together can be fun. Did you ever have two tongues other than your own, in your mouth? The only weakness of threesomes really, is changing condoms between girls. This makes it impractical to keep swapping your dick between vaginas very often. So I am yet to have the ultimate of threesome all BB.
I even took three girls on a rare occasion and that was also pretty good, although bed gets a little cramped. Haven't done much threesomes lately. Lacking stamina or funds. LOL. Only one of my Suzi girls was not into doing threesomes. Most of the skinny girls seemed to be into it, as long as make sure the two girls like each other and have been together before. Lesbian show girls are a fairly safe bet, but ask one which girls she would like to work with. Unfortunately a few of the threesome girls were a bit flat chested.
It is not safe to take threesomes from other bars where they have no lesbian show. You can get girls far too shy to do sexual things in front of another girl. At Suzi could even get girls not too shy to have an orgasm with a second girl involved. Very experienced girls that have seen it all (even by the age of 19 some are very experienced). All girls I recommended at Suzi I have been tested in 3somes except for Pat. Beware of the new Suzi owners being Baccara and the changes to this bar may start very soon to become like Baccara 2 (will be a shame if lose the great 3some girls). Remodelling/refit the bar may have already commenced. Eventually there will be staff changes, since Baccara has a different style of girls looking like westernised alien dolls. Quite a few tit jobs in Suzi, but they the new owners may be kicking out some or most of the mothers with baby damage and requesting other girls to get nose jobs. I have done the odd Suzi girl who wasn't a mother. LOL I have also probably taken mothers too young in long gone past. In modern day all girls should be Thai and suitable age, and "Ice" not allowed on premises. So bars have been cleaned up in some ways, but nudity, lesbian pussy licking, and wild threesomes still available. Maybe for not much longer.
I spoke yesterday to a former staff member of Bangkok Beat.
She told me that the previous owner has sold everything and that the new bar will be open as of Friday this week, December 23th 2017.
Pool tables and larger TV screens that will it be. No band, no live music no DJ.
Not sure if their is a link between the previous New Wave from Soi 5 (as they first moved from the building that was demolist around 2 years ago into the smaller bar opposite of the old location). The old premisses was oke with many pool tables but I never found my (pool) way into the smaller location.
Will see and test.Warning that "New Wave" pool bar, moving to Soi 7/1, is reported to be a very racist establishment. I don't know if it's based on skin colour or what exactly, but not all customers accepted.
I found a new provider, Audi, like the car. She was a superb GF and took care of me really good. She turned out to be very much A+ and I plowed her sweet ass like there was no tomorrow. She took me all the way in! And then I finished off in her mouth with her sucking until I was totally spent. Sounds like a performer. How was the body? Baby damage or nice?
I never met a Viet girl in Thailand to my knowledge.Had three out of Thermae in the early '00's. One still occasionally works out of there. But otherwise none.
I found a new provider, Audi, like the car. She was a superb GF and took care of me really good. She turned out to be very much A+ and I plowed her sweet ass like there was no tomorrow. She took me all the way in! This has to be some sort of joke name LOL. "Ao Dee" means to take (someone) well, or a possible euphemism for "fucks good". Audi would be pronounced exactly the same way.
Similar to how "Ao gun" means "take each other" or means "fucking".
A friend gave me a heads up that smooci.com is now showing the star ratings for the girls, presumably "user" ratings from recent customers. 5 out of 5 stars is best. Not all have a rating yet but many do. Interesting to note there are some girls with only 1 out of 5 stars. Does that suggest they are not doctoring the ratings and just presenting them legitimately as they come in? Who knows.
Another question is how many "user" ratings does it take to have the girl's rating posted? Only one? That's a problem since one guy who is wildly impressed by mediocrity could be responsible for a slacker girl getting a 4. 5 or 5 out of 5 star rating while another girl who gives her all could be stuck showing a 1 out of 5 star rating because the only guy who rated her just wants to bad mouth her online and discourage customers from choosing her for personal reasons. I am glad they have it but they need to iron out the many potential wrinkles on that star rating system, imo.
Earlier tonight there were some 50 girls available to be booked within the next couple of hours, many for less than 3,800 baht for a 2 hour Short Time, rivaling go-go bar girls in terms of total outlay when you include barfines and lady drinks. It is getting crowded in there. LOL.
This has to be some sort of joke name LOL. "Ao Dee" means to take (someone) well, or a possible euphemism for "fucks good". Audi would be pronounced exactly the same way.
Similar to how "Ao gun" means "take each other" or means "fucking".Isn't Audi pronounced "Aw dee" rather than "Ow Dee"?
Isn't Audi pronounced "Aw dee" rather than "Ow Dee"?Audi the car and Saudi are rhyming with "cloudy" normally like in European usage or British English. I can't say how americans pronounce it. Audi cars come from Europe so I pronounce it the European way. Au is always pronounced that way in German language for example.
It is not pronounced like in English word Audio if that is your thought. I don't even know if the Thai girl knows how to pronounce the car name correctly, so maybe her name is not pronounced how I think it would be.
Roaming Viking
12-20-16, 16:53
Yes, you're probably right. I have no idea how to pronounce it correctly, but I joked and she said it was pronounced like the car. She was very good, juts like the car. Why not take a test drive?
Cheers!
This has to be some sort of joke name LOL. "Ao Dee" means to take (someone) well, or a possible euphemism for "fucks good". Audi would be pronounced exactly the same way.
Similar to how "Ao gun" means "take each other" or means "fucking".
A friend gave me a heads up that smooci.com is now showing the star ratings for the girls, presumably "user" ratings from recent customers. 5 out of 5 stars is best. Not all have a rating yet but many do. Interesting to note there are some girls with only 1 out of 5 stars. Does that suggest they are not doctoring the ratings and just presenting them legitimately as they come in? Who knows.
Another question is how many "user" ratings does it take to have the girl's rating posted? Only one? That's a problem since one guy who is wildly impressed by mediocrity could be responsible for a slacker girl getting a 4. 5 or 5 out of 5 star rating while another girl who gives her all could be stuck showing a 1 out of 5 star rating because the only guy who rated her just wants to bad mouth her online and discourage customers from choosing her for personal reasons. I am glad they have it but they need to iron out the many potential wrinkles on that star rating system, imo.
Earlier tonight there were some 50 girls available to be booked within the next couple of hours, many for less than 3,800 baht for a 2 hour Short Time, rivaling go-go bar girls in terms of total outlay when you include barfines and lady drinks. It is getting crowded in there. LOL.I agree a simple rating number does not mean much. Should specify an average of how many samples and also what is being rated. Is it purely performance in bed or the whole package including looks which would vary tremendously by person as well.
Does her conversation ability count? Personaly I don't or would not hire an Escort for a dinner date and to listen to me yack or visa versa, unless I got extremely hooked. LOL. I don't even care if she can speak English or not.
Repeatability? Some guys never repeat. I conversely don't want to even try a girl not good enough to repeat.
If I take my first escort, how to rate her? I have no escort experience to compare her to.
As an analogy, I saw a Thai restaurant in Germany get 5 star ratings for food that did not resemble the real Thai food in the slighest, was also very bland, and I did not finish my order. IMO the customers giving 5 stars were totally clueless. But that is how ratings work right? Its all personal taste and personal requirements, and corruption. They even had the gall to write that their Thai food was very authentic. Coconut milk in the Tom Yam soup. LOL
Roaming Viking
12-20-16, 16:58
Unfortunately, yes, there was some damage in this department but her service and cheerful attitude more than compensated for any flab around the waist and visible caesarean. Otherwsie quite pretty face and firm body. A really sweet girl and I will repeat.
Sounds like a performer. How was the body? Baby damage or nice?
Unfortunately, yes, there was some damage in this department but her service and cheerful attitude more than compensated for any flab around the waist and visible caesarean. Otherwsie quite pretty face and firm body. A really sweet girl and I will repeat.Thanks for the honest assessment. It is appreciated.
Eric Swiss
12-20-16, 17:53
Went there on a Monday night, bit of a slow night relatively speaking, I could even get a seat, imagine that.
There was a girl dancing naked who had a nice pussy, big tits and a big smile, so when she threw herself at me after her stint round the chrome pole I bought her a lady drink. I am pretty sure her name was Bao and her number was 72. Barfine was 700 and we agreed on 2500 for short time. Went to the short-time hotel at the other end of Soi Cowboy and bought a condom.
I have to say her service was not very good. She was very dick-shy. I mean, Gosh, you're in this business, if you need some lube to take a farang then at least carry a bottle in your purse, no? At some point I asked her to be more sexy, and to her credit she made some effort and managed to bring me to satisfactory completion. But it was one of those moments to be forgotten.
Plus she was coughing because she'd had a cold or the flu for 2 days and looked scarily contagious, so now I'm overdosing on VitaminC to boost my immune system just on the off chance.
Not sure how you feel about negative reviews, but here is one.
Wolvenvacht
12-20-16, 21:10
Plus she was coughing because she'd had a cold or the flu for 2 days and looked scarily contagious, so now I'm overdosing on VitaminC to boost my immune system just on the off chance.Then I hope the placebo effect works for you as there is no evidence that an overdose of Vitamin C has even the slightest preventive effect. There is some evidence that Vitamin C can help to cure a common cold, but the effects are very small and at the margin of being statistically significant.
As an analogy, I saw a Thai restaurant in Germany get 5 star ratings for food that did not resemble the real Thai food in the slighest, was also very bland, and I did not finish my order. IMO the customers giving 5 stars were totally clueless. But that is how ratings work right? Its all personal taste and personal requirements, and corruption. They even had the gall to write that their Thai food was very authentic. Coconut milk in the Tom Yam soup. LOLYes ratings don't mean much. Coconut milk in Tom Yung is certainly not uncommon. Also it is not Tom Yung soup. You don't need to use the word soup, that is a redundancy.
LittleBigMan
12-21-16, 01:34
One's body has it's own defense. Boosting V-see? The body will detect the access and the rest will be dispose when you go to the bathroom. But people will do what they believe works for them so go for it?
Eric Swiss
12-21-16, 22:10
Then I hope the placebo effect works for you as there is no evidence that an overdose of Vitamin C has even the slightest preventive effect. There is some evidence that Vitamin C can help to cure a common cold, but the effects are very small and at the margin of being statistically significant.Well clearly we haven't been reading the same research, but a man's got to know his limitations, and I not being a doctor will shut my mouth. Just don't undermine my placebo effect, it's a very mental thing I believe.
Yes ratings don't mean much. Coconut milk in Tom Yung is certainly not uncommon. Also it is not Tom Yung soup. You don't need to use the word soup, that is a redundancy.It certainly is a redundancy, but given that not everybody might be familiar with Thai cuisine, specifying it is a soup doesn't make any harm.
I hear a lot of times "penne pasta" in restaurants, more than redundancy, but one has to make a living with that since not everybody, even if dedinetely more world popular, can know that penne is a variety of pasta.
My understanding is that coconut milk is used in quite some soups. Tom ka ga, for instance, a much milder soup vs. The over spicy Tom Young one. This is why it is never much recommended to farang not used to it. It might give some side effects you don't want to have during a mongering night.
Found this delightful shop maybe 400 meters down Soi 4. I had hooked up with a gal on Whatsapp, exchanged a few heated messages, and it turned out she worked there. The shop is clean, the rooms are spacious and even artfully designed, but most importantly all the girls offer decent massages and FS.
After a mild but relaxing oil massage, we got down to it.
Nan was a 32 yo spinner, natural but small tits but a phenomenal ass and pretty good English. 500 to the shop and we negotiated down to 1500 for FS (she offered covered oral only, or covered sex, I chose the latter). Gave me finger access but didn't want me to taste her box, and although she seemed to be in a rush to make sure we concluded everything in under an hour, we went from cowgirl to doggy where I was able to admire that phenomenal backside and pump out a good load. She was good enough with English to say "fuck me" in just the right tone: I knew I was fake passion but she sold it well enough to take me to the edge, and over. She claimed we came together, and again, although I doubt that is true she was sweet enough and sold it well that accepting the lie was worth it. She told me next time to book two hours so we can linger longer w massage and sex, and I plan to.
Eszpresszo
12-22-16, 03:18
500 to the shop and we negotiated down to 1500 for FS (she offered covered oral only, or covered sex, I chose the latter). That's a pretty expensive massage, considering most places in BKK charge 200-300 baht for an hour. I got addicted to massages after my first Thai massage and got some kind of massage every day I was there, afterwards. And that expensive for sex, too. Never paid more than 1000 on anything I pulled off the street.
I got an uncovered half BJ and half handjob at a place off of Soi 22. Can't recall the name because it was basically two different massage businesses that were using the same facility, just with different but adjacent business fronts, with two different sets of girls out front. Went into just get a regular oil massage for 300. That was the standard in BKK. But as the end of my hour approached, the only thing that wasn't massaged yet was my member, and it had started to wake up, thanks to the attention she given to my inner thighs and scrotum. She made the sign of sucking a cock with her mouth and hand, whispering "Five hundred". I couldn't say no. Undid her top and let me fondle her perfect B-cup tits and I do mean they were perfect. As I was about to cum, she switched to a handjob and started tongue kissing me very deep, until I blew my load on my belly. Clever girl! She sure knows who to dodge that nasty wad of cum in her mouth. She cleaned me up good, and we exchanged LINE info, because she wanted to meet me for possible LT in my hotel work before she went back home to Isaan in a few days. Unfortunately, we didn't meet up as I was in Pattaya when she got back to me. I didn't take her photo, but she was kind enough to send me her photo. I do regret not meeting up with her, as she was rather young and extremely pleasant. Unfortunately, I forgot her name like most of the girls I met during the trip. I feel like such a cad now! Enjoy her photo, though.
My understanding is that coconut milk is used in quite some soups. Tom ka ga, for instance, a much milder soup vs. The over spicy Tom Young one. This is why it is never much recommended to farang not used to it. It might give some side effects you don't want to have during a mongering night.This I certainly cannot disagree with. Even after 11 years of living here overly spicy food sometimes has very undesirable effects.
Eszpresszo
12-22-16, 03:31
As an analogy, I saw a Thai restaurant in Germany get 5 star ratings for food that did not resemble the real Thai food in the slighest, was also very bland, and I did not finish my order. IMO the customers giving 5 stars were totally clueless. But that is how ratings work right? Its all personal taste and personal requirements, and corruption. They even had the gall to write that their Thai food was very authentic. Coconut milk in the Tom Yam soup. LOLThat is funny, because when I was in Berlin last year, I visited a longtime Bengali friend. I noted the abundance of Indian, Thai and Mexican restaurants and he commented that none of them were good. They all served bland food, because as he explained, "The Germans don't like spice. " he also pointed out that the cooks in those restaurants tended to be Bengali, but none of them were actual trained chefs. Why? The won't give work visas to the chefs, so they end up hiring non-Chefs from Asia who came to Germany on different types of visas. He said the Germans like what they make, but he never eats at those places, preferring to cook his native cuisine at home, which was what we were dining on.
I posted this just now in the Bangkok Escort Agencies thread, but since I had posted the earlier comment mentioned here in this thread, I thought it might be ok to put this little follow up post here too...maybe any replies or comments to this post ought to go on the Bangkok Escort Agencies thread, up to you guys.
Yesterday I posted a heads up in the Bangkok Reports thread that smooci.com was now showing the user / customer star ratings for the girls on their website. But I thought this would be the better thread (the Bangkok Escort Agencies thread) to post an interesting update on that. I mentioned yesterday that some of the girls were showing as low as 1 or 2 stars out of 5, so maybe smooci was simply passing along the legitimate ratings if they were willing to post such low ones. But today I notice some of the girls who had gotten only a 1 or 2 star rating yesterday, one named Beer, for example, are no longer showing a star rating at all. The lowest rating as of this writing for any girl on smooci is a 2. 8 star rating for a girl named Zoey. And, just like yesterday, many girls do not show a rating at all.
Therefore, it appears either as an editorial / marketing decision or due to some of the low rated girls freaking out and demanding their ratings be removed, one might reasonably assume at this point that a girl with no star rating at all on smooci has one too low to post and not necessarily that a first rating hasn't come in yet as I might have assumed yesterday.
Just passing that potentially pertinent detail along while I saw this interesting "evolution" of their star rating system happen in real time.
I posted this just now in the Bangkok Escort Agencies thread, but since I had posted the earlier comment mentioned here in this thread, I thought it might be ok to put this little follow up post here too...maybe any replies or comments to this post ought to go on the Bangkok Escort Agencies thread, up to you guys.
Yesterday I posted a heads up in the Bangkok Reports thread that smooci.com was now showing the user / customer star ratings for the girls on their website. But I thought this would be the better thread (the Bangkok Escort Agencies thread) to post an interesting update on that. I mentioned yesterday that some of the girls were showing as low as 1 or 2 stars out of 5, so maybe smooci was simply passing along the legitimate ratings if they were willing to post such low ones. But today I notice some of the girls who had gotten only a 1 or 2 star rating yesterday, one named Beer, for example, are no longer showing a star rating at all. The lowest rating as of this writing for any girl on smooci is a 2. 8 star rating for a girl named Zoey. And, just like yesterday, many girls do not show a rating at all.
Therefore, it appears either as an editorial / marketing decision or due to some of the low rated girls freaking out and demanding their ratings be removed, one might reasonably assume at this point that a girl with no star rating at all on smooci has one too low to post and not necessarily that a first rating hasn't come in yet as I might have assumed yesterday.
Just passing that potentially pertinent detail along while I saw this interesting "evolution" of their star rating system happen in real time.We are trying to get our account approved in the correct channel. Hopefully this will get done soon. Meanwhile, let me try to post.
Answer to your question should be explained on our blog. I would also like to ensure you that ratings will never be removed. For those of you that are technical you can actually see on the JSON response while fetching availability that we do not remove ratings but only show ratings if the companion has had 3 or more ratings.
This was last weekend, I didn't have a chance to sit down and write this as I was traveling around a lot.
Exotic Massage: Located near Kiss in the same little Soi alley. Before selecting this one, I checked out kiss and the few surrounding parlors. Also peeked in some closer to the BTS. This def had the best line up. I went for the 2 hour nuru session, paid upfront after menu selection. The oil was not really nuru which was a disappointment, but the place was not actually set up for that. Just massage table and cubicle shower, not a large tiled floor and air mattress. It was the same price as a normal oil massage which is pretty much what I got. Had a Issan girl named 'Juum' large breasts, short hair, 1 kid, 24. Very hard worker and skilled. Did not do the initial shower together which I was also disappointed, but the massage was actually OK and the 'exotic' part was very well executed. Clean room and not too much noise from other clients as I went in the late afternoon. I negotiated with the mamasan 2 shots for the 2 hour session, even though menu stated 1. Solid but not amazing. 3/5.
Later that night I headed over to Demonia for something a little different and it was not a far walk. It was just an hour after they opened, and I was really tired from traveling. I got a private less show with 1 mistress and 2 slaves girls. I got to interact with them and learn their limits. I asked to see their line up, had 2 Ts and the 2 slaves I was shown and 2 mistress total. Ts are not really my style but the were not stunners, you could tell. Of the 2 slaves I had "Bee". She has a better face, slightly darker skin but nice rack. They told me since I am a master that I should take a mistress with me and do 2 girls, but I would receive a discount. I said no I only wanted one, but since I wanted the SM room well. I said OK, I bought all 3 lady drinks and we did some more public play and I learned exactly what the limits were. Then took the SM room upstairs for some private play. They had a red X with some worn hand straps, and a stockade that doesn't really lock down that well. I was able to select from a small batch of tools / toys. I took a rope, paddle, and blindfold. It was pretty fun, but I am not 100% sure I got my whole 90 min after my shot. I thought I had more time to play, maybe 10-15 min left but wasn't sure. So just cleaned up. I did not tip, nor did I buy additional lady drinks after that even after the bar mistress pushed me a little. Its probably the best, easy access place to play if your into it. Can't go super hard unless you pay even more of a premium, but reasonably fun. You can bring your own toys and costumes as well if you want to get more into it. Its much more expensive then the vanilla places where you get your standard service, but it is much more exciting at least for me. Fun and a totally different experience especially for those of you who are looking to play. 4/5.
That is funny, because when I was in Berlin last year, I visited a longtime Bengali friend. I noted the abundance of Indian, Thai and Mexican restaurants and he commented that none of them were good. They all served bland food, because as he explained, "The Germans don't like spice. " he also pointed out that the cooks in those restaurants tended to be Bengali, but none of them were actual trained chefs. Why? The won't give work visas to the chefs, so they end up hiring non-Chefs from Asia who came to Germany on different types of visas. He said the Germans like what they make, but he never eats at those places, preferring to cook his native cuisine at home, which was what we were dining on.Yep. In some Thai Take away or Imbiss shops in Germany, there are Thais cooking Thai food, but they have no experience cooking Thai food at all when they lived in Thailand. One of them put tomato sauce in the Phat Thai to make it more red colour. The colour is supposed to come partly from dried shrimps, but you guessed it, they don't have any dried shrimps and Germans don't like dried shrimps.
When I asked why my stir fry (a relatively dry dish) was swimming in a lake of Soi sauce, they explained that Germans like a lot of sauce. Naturally I could not taste anything except Soi sauce.
Sorry to divert from the Bangkok thread, but I suggest for real Thai food, you really have to get it in Thailand, or perhaps fluke someone who really knew how to cook Thai food and is not changing it drastically for the local preference. So called Authentic Thai food is very difficult to find OS, especially Germany, but I have found the odd passable to good restaurant. Its quite possible to get very bad inedible Phat Thai even in Bangkok, where the "chef" is not experienced and wrong ingredients are used.
Above all be very careful where you order western food in Bangkok. Thais don't have a lot of clue about how the dish should be without significant training.
Yes ratings don't mean much. Coconut milk in Tom Yung is certainly not uncommon. Also it is not Tom Yung soup. You don't need to use the word soup, that is a redundancy.Correct. Soup was only added as explanation, if being technical. Tom means boiled and Yam means a salad or mixture of items like prawns, lemon grass, mushrooms, spring onions, shallots etc. Tom Yam is known to be a soup dish by most people.
Yam (some would write Yum) is correct, rhymes with English word Rum, so cannot be spelled with an NG on the end.
Proper Tom Yam has two styles, clear soup, and milky soup. The second variety is achieved by adding milk, but not coconut milk. I never experienced Tom Yam containing coconut milk in Thailand. It would be incorrect. Sometime the seafood clear soup variety is called Po Taek, meaning the fisherman's trap broke open releasing a variety of seafoods.
Check any good websites for ingredients of Tom Yam. You will not find coconut milk. I assumed that people noticed Tom Yam never tastes of coconut at all.
As BionicMan points out Tom Kha Gai is a different type of soup (Chicken Galangal soup). It does have coconut milk in it.
Went there on a Monday night, bit of a slow night relatively speaking, I could even get a seat, imagine that.
There was a girl dancing naked who had a nice pussy, big tits and a big smile, so when she threw herself at me after her stint round the chrome pole I bought her a lady drink. I am pretty sure her name was Bao and her number was 72. Barfine was 700 and we agreed on 2500 for short time. Went to the short-time hotel at the other end of Soi Cowboy and bought a condom.
I have to say her service was not very good. She was very dick-shy. I mean, Gosh, you're in this business, if you need some lube to take a farang then at least carry a bottle in your purse, no? At some point I asked her to be more sexy, and to her credit she made some effort and managed to bring me to satisfactory completion. But it was one of those moments to be forgotten.
Plus she was coughing because she'd had a cold or the flu for 2 days and looked scarily contagious, so now I'm overdosing on VitaminC to boost my immune system just on the off chance.
Not sure how you feel about negative reviews, but here is one.Dick shy girls are not uncommon. I must have mentioned this a thousand times already. LOL No. 72 is not a girl I have paid attention to. Don't recall the number. Girls cannot be trusted to have lube. They may imagine a 5 min quick fuck with a small dick.
I always take my own lube and condoms and I have good quality non sticky lube from OS. This may seem impractical however you can buy lube from shop on Soi cowboy, or Asoke Place ST Hotel does have very small sachets of lube, available (can't recall how much). Unfortunately each sachet contains so little, you might need several of them. LOL. So better to buy at the 7 Eleven next to Asoke Place ST Hotel.
There is no cure for the common cold. Its a virus. Some medicines are useful to dry up runny nose or avoid throat tickle causing coughing.
Vitamin C and Echinecha are general considered to be bullshits remedies, folklore, or worthless. Don't expect any result and you won't be disappointed. I treat the symptoms instead. Drink lots of water, use saline nasal rinses, etc.
Pick a new gogo girl? It's a crap shoot whether she is into a significant dicking or not. I even subtly found out recently that my target girl Jun (93) says she prefers big dick. LOL That was a good sign, and the fuck went very well with DFK available. Rather flat chested slim girl chosen for things other than tit size.
Yep. In some Thai Take away or Imbiss shops in Germany, there are Thais cooking Thai food, but they have no experience cooking Thai food at all when they lived in Thailand.
Above all be very careful where you order western food in Bangkok. Thais don't have a lot of clue about how the dish should be without significant training.What is hilarious in all this is that you see perfectly cooked Thai food made by street vendors on a small bicycle trolley with basic tools and means. Hundreds of these.
But none hired to cook in a Thai restaurant.
Problem is they won't find the very same herbs, ingredients and also use to cook in a way not suitable to the stringent health regulations of western countries.
Thailand – Bangkok Upscale Suggestions.
Be sure and use the Concierge at your hotel to help set up reservations at the restaurants and drivers to get you around town. Be sure to get a business card (here they say name card) of the hotel and keep in your pocket to show a taxi driver if you get lost from your driver.
Restaurants.
Nahm Restaurant in the Metropolitan Hotel was just named one of the best restaurants in the World. While I have not eaten there my clients who have been say it is as good as any place in Singapore and that is saying a lot. Nahm in Thai means water. www.nahm.como.bz.
Metropolitan Hotel Bangkok.
27 South Sathorn Road.
Tungmahamek, Sathorn, Bangkok, Thailand.
+66 2 625 3333 www.comohotels.com.
Breeze – Next to Nahm this is the place a completely only in BKK experience and the food is awesome only a notch below Nahm. The scene alone will blow you away a really cool place. www.lebua.com/breeze.
State Tower, 1055 Silom Rd. , 52nd FL. Bang Rak, Bangkok, 10500 Phone: 02/624–9555.
Vertigo – This on the top of the hotel out in the open air and you can go for just drinks and sunset or also eat they are known for the seafood.
Banyan Tree Hotel, 21/100 S. Sathorn Rd. , Silom, Bangkok, 10120 Phone: 02/679–1200.
Salathip – This is on the river and you can sit outside and watch the boats float by on the breeze. I am a fan of the Shangri La chain and the lobster and prawns here are great.
Shangri-La Hotel, Charoen Krung (New Rd.), 89 Soi what Suan Plu Bang Rak, Bangkok, 10500.
Phone: 02/236–7777.
Mezzaluna – The most expensive place in town and while you are paying for the view the food is also good to great.
State Tower, 1055 Silom Rd. , 65th FL. Bang Rak, Bangkok, 10500 Phone: 02/624–9555 www.lebua.com.
Jade Garden – If you want dim sum the best place in the city, I would not eat dinner here but for late morning great.
Montien Hotel, 54 Surawong Rd. , Silom, Bangkok, 10500.
Phone: 02/233–7060.
Ladies.
Bangkok Gold Escorts – The owner is from the US and is married to the mamasan who is a Thai lady. It is expensive for Thailand but higher quality ladies who come to your hotel room. You can also get 2 for a 3-some similar to what you get at The Eden Club but with much higher end ladies.
www.bangkokgoldescorts.com
www.edenbangkok.com – This is the famous Eden Club and while it is not the best it is still one of the best shows in town. You get 2 ladies for 90 minutes and as many pops as you can muster. You choose the ladies and they take you up to the room with a suitcase full of toys. They are bi-sexual and will do literally anything you want for 90 minutes.
High End Soapie Massage Places – Lord is the best, it is new and has the highest end ladies but I also like Poseidon it has been there longer and has a great reputation. Below the 2 site links is the detailed map of the area and there are another 8 or more places that offer similar services.
The standard service is you walk in and are met by a captain or manager who will ask what you want and you just ask for the best of the best and they will keep taking from area to area until you find a lady or ladies you like. You will also want a nice room so ask for a VIP room (not a party room those are for many guys and ladies). The lady will help you undress and you will get in the bath together and she will clean you and meet you in the bed for whatever you want.
Just be upfront and open with what you want and they will accommodate you and do not be shy they have heard everything before.
Tipping is easy if you have a good time give them 500 baht and if you had a great or memorable time give them 1,000 baht and if the service is bad nothing and complain to the manager.
www.thelord2009.com
www.poseidon2000-thai.com
Correct.
Proper Tom Yam has two styles, clear soup, and milky soup. The second variety is achieved by adding milk, but not coconut milk. I never experienced Tom Yam containing coconut milk in Thailand. It would be incorrect. Sometime the seafood clear soup variety is called Po Taek, meaning the fisherman's trap broke open releasing a variety of seafoods.
Check any good websites for ingredients of Tom Yam. You will not find coconut milk. I assumed that people noticed Tom Yam never tastes of coconut at all.
As BionicMan points out Tom Kha Gai is a different type of soup (Chicken Galangal soup). It does have coconut milk in it.You are talking through your backside as usual. Tom yum place is a clear fish soup. Tom Yum Gung, can certainly have coconut milk in it and frequently does.
I should also point out the the Tom Yum you frequently get served in Bangkok and surrounds is far too sweet. Thais have a sweet tooth with food. I much prefer the more savory version you get in the northern provinces and in Lao.
Eszpresszo
12-23-16, 02:42
What is hilarious in all this is that you see perfectly cooked Thai food made by street vendors on a small bicycle trolley with basic tools and means. Hundreds of these.
But none hired to cook in a Thai restaurant.
Problem is they won't find the very same herbs, ingredients and also use to cook in a way not suitable to the stringent health regulations of western countries.Indeed, I was wary of eating Thai food off the street. But, I noticed most sit down restaurants in my area where I was staying were oriented to foreigners whether they be English, Australian, Middle Eastern or Indian. And they were not cheap, save for the Indian places and those were not dirt cheap either. One day I was walking down Soi 11 and I passed a new bar under construction, and I noticed a worker eating happily from a bowl. He saw me looking at his food, smiled and held up the bowl, saying "You like Thai food!" Immediately after that, I stopped at the first food cart that had seating in an adjacent parking lot, and ordered what was being served, with a Coke pulled from an ice chest. After that I ate mostly at the street carts and street cafes that catered to Thai people. I didn't go into many sit-down restaurants, preferring to literally rub shoulders with the locals at crowded sidewalk tables. Not only was the food cheap, but it tasted very good and I did not get sick once. Maybe a bit of after burn around the anus when I expelled the stuff, but at least if came out solid. I liked the Thai food I ate in the US, but after 9 days in Thailand I became a believer.
Someone here once posted the comment: I get everything off the street. Women, food, ED drugs. Well, I thought that sounded reckless at the time, but that became my modus operandi after the 3rd day.
We are trying to get our account approved in the correct channel. Hopefully this will get done soon. Meanwhile, let me try to post.
Answer to your question should be explained on our blog. I would also like to ensure you that ratings will never be removed. For those of you that are technical you can actually see on the JSON response while fetching availability that we do not remove ratings but only show ratings if the companion has had 3 or more ratings.Yes, I see that on your website blog now and understand the rating system is still a work in progress. Thank you for responding here. While no rating system will ever be perfect, I think it is great that you are providing a means for customer feedback while at the same time giving the girls an added incentive to do their job well, higher ratings very logically and likely leading to more bookings for the girls with higher ratings, of course. I wish more P4P venues offered as much and not just those related to the escort option.
I should also point out the the Tom Yum you frequently get served in Bangkok and surrounds is far too sweet. Thais have a sweet tooth with food. I much prefer the more savory version you get in the northern provinces and in Lao.Yes important to order Thai food modified to your personal taste. If ordering Phat Thai or Tom Yum or even Gaeng Jeut, I would say no sugar, no MSG, and no garlic to suit my taste. Some dishes I don't order at all, as ingredients are too powerful (and too sweet), e. G. Phat Kraphao.
For Som Tam, I have to say not sweet, not salty, not spicy (one chilli only), no raw peanuts, no beans (raw), no crab, no Plaa-Raa (pickled mud fish), no MSG, and no garlic. They look puzzled and say that no one could eat it, so plain and tasteless. I get flavour from dried shrimps. It is too much hassle to even order it, so modified. Thais have a hard time following instructions as well, since their hand just adds things automatically with brain disengaged.
True that Thais in Bangkok appear to add a tablespoon of sugar to everything (no good for low carbs diet), and a spoon of MSG to most things. Pretty much the same in Isaan regions. Can't comment on North and Laos.
Having the set of 4 bowls with spoons to adjust taste on each table is a good idea, sugar, chili flakes, vinegar, fish sauce maybe or chillies in sauce. I don't use any of the flavour adjusters, occasionally use the chili.
I get food off the street or in the prepared street stalls all the time. Does not scare me, assuming its freshly prepared. Far more risky for me to eat a restaurant dish with big river bred prawns in it. Beware of street carts with little or no business where the ingredients like meat and seafood may be too old and spoiled. They could not afford to throw it out and tried to keep too long.
I always use the sniff test on food, since my nose works all too well, especially if has been kept and not freshly prepared. If food is to be heated up, sniff again after heating. If smells too sour or weird, throw out.
You are talking through your backside as usual. Tom yum place is a clear fish soup. Tom Yum Gung, can certainly have coconut milk in it and frequently does.Nope you are wrong. Really should check your facts before shooting your mouth off, even if you imagine a coconut taste in your Tom Yum.
https://www.eatingthaifood.com/tom-yum-soup-recipe/. I provided this web site with the recipe.
I quote them:
"Contrary that many people think tom yum is made creamy with coconut milk, it's actually nom kream tiam (นมครีมเทียม), which is canned evaporated milk (as opposed to sweetened condensed milk). ".
You can check plenty of other Thai recipe web sites. I checked several. I also checked with a Thai chef I know well. Suggest you do the same.
In Thailand, it would be extremely rare for some idiot to put coconut cream in Tom Yum Gung. Don't recall it ever happening. Did happen to me in a Thai takeaway in Germany resulting in the Tom Yam being more like Curry Laksa.
Coconut milk is supposed to be for Tom Kha Gai.
I am landing in BKK around 2 AM. Are girls still around at 3-4 AM in the morning.
Planning to stay in Ambassador hotel for 2 nights.
Main reason for picking this hotel is the climax club. Any experience around this time?
Oliver Kitsoff
12-23-16, 13:50
Someone here once posted the comment: I get everything off the street. Women, food, ED drugs. Well, I thought that sounded reckless at the time, but that became my modus operandi after the 3rd day.Yup, my BEST girls in SEA have all been SW, or FL from places like LA Cafe in Manila, and Soi 7 Beer Garden, Bangkok. Even Hard Rock Cafe (yes that one) in Jakarta. I have a barfine phobia.
As for food, If you do eat off the street, NEVER visit a Thai wet market!
But even if you do see a market and leave grossed out, understand that all bar the high end restaurants, and global chains, get their protein from these markets.
So you may as well eat off the streets anyway. Street food also sits around a lot less than in bigger establishments, and wok seared food has had a lot of the pathogens destroyed by heat.
The high end places are using bulk suppliers like Makro (same same costco) where standards are much more universally hygienic.
ED street drugs; well, the kamagra gel seems to be the one I'd trust as the real deal, but it gives me unpleasant side effects. Do not buy Cialis off the street, it will either be fake, or long since expired.
Here's a tip, genuine Cialis works for up to three days per dose, usually 48 hrs guaranteed.
You can ask to break open the pack and buy just ONE single pill at most mom and pop drugstores for around THB 500 (The pharmacist on Soi 22 a few doors from Buddy's restaurant will certainly do this) which is cheaper than it sells in Australia where it's made!
This pill can then be cut with a pill cutter into two half doses, which if you do not have actual ED is more than enough to get you nice and firm for the same 48 hrs.
Bang bang, go shoot her down!
Oliver Kitsoff
12-23-16, 14:11
Thailand Bangkok Upscale Suggestions.
Tipping is easy if you have a good time give them 500 baht and if you had a great or memorable time give them 1,000 baht and if the service is bad nothing and complain to the manager.
www.thelord2009.com
www.poseidon2000-thai.comI was taken to an upscale massage spa (not a sexual place) by my middle class Thai GF. The service was 2 hours long and outstanding, I tipped THB 200. My girl told me I had over tipped, and should not give more than THB 100.
As a foreigner, it's best to be guided by the local market.
I am happy for you that THB 1000 is no big deal, and it's entirely up to your own discretion.
Where I do get annoyed, is you are encouraging other newbies to throw money around when BKK sexual services are already ridiculously overpriced.
My Thai dentist just did the following: 1 x ray, 2 x novocaine jabs, remove old crown, insert temp crown, two hours work for her and the nurse, the bill THB 1700.
Can you see that THB 1000 as a tip is perhaps a little bit over the top?
Someone here once posted the comment: I get everything off the street. Women, food, ED drugs. Well, I thought that sounded reckless at the time, but that became my modus operandi after the 3rd day.Yep. The tourist restaurants are horrible with regards to food safety. Don't know why, but every stupid european breakfast house has the most unsanitary food. I get very sick eating at the tourist restaurants (both Thai food and western food ones) as these people couldn't care if I was eating dead rat heads, they'll never see me again. So I keep to the street food, as those cooking for the locals are relying on repeat customers and are there for years at the same spot. And yeah their food does taste better than the restaurants. They cook 1-2 things and are good at just that.
BKK traffic is the worse I have ever seen it. Just endless cars that barely move. The Raja hotel is covered up so its either being torn down or remodeled. I could not see it because of barriers. The Russian girl that used to work there now work on Soi 3. If you stand in front of Grace hotel walk up the hill till you see the big hospital on the left. The hotel next to the hospital is where the girls are. The touts are in front of the hotel. Before there used to be only 1 or two touts. Now there is like 8 of them. Each one has a different price for the same girl. 3600, 3000, 2600 etc. Only 8 Russian girls working just OK looking. Nothing like the 30 that used to work before all much hotter. One of the touts looks like a Russian gangster. I was kind of worried if I was going to be assaulted be him.
The only busy tourist area was Soi 4 by nana plaza. Many African girls and many very pretty. They want big money too. The starting is 2000 baut but some can be talked down to 1500 baut. Thai girl are still 1000 baut. BKK was cool just too expensive especially at the massage places that want 1800- 2200 baut.
Eszpresszo
12-23-16, 15:10
Yep. The tourist restaurants are horrible with regards to food safety. Don't know why, but every stupid european breakfast house has the most unsanitary food. I get very sick eating at the tourist restaurants (both Thai food and western food ones) as these people couldn't care if I was eating dead rat heads, they'll never see me again. So I keep to the street food, as those cooking for the locals are relying on repeat customers and are there for years at the same spot. And yeah their food does taste better than the restaurants. They cook 1-2 things and are good at just that.Indeed, I read the trick is to find busy places where the food is always fresh. Like you said, I noticed the street carts and cafes have a limited menu, often one item. But, it doesn't sit there long. And of course, look at which places are favored by the locals. They know what is good.
I am landing in BKK around 2 AM. Are girls still around at 3-4 AM in the morning.
Planning to stay in Ambassador hotel for 2 nights.
Main reason for picking this hotel is the climax club. Any experience around this time?I don't really hear of guys staying at Ambassador any more. You might want to check if it is value for money, and girl friendly.
Plenty of street walkers still around I guess. Used to have cart bars till very late but police shut them down. Not really best action at 4 AM.
Maybe find out the very late discos.
At 10 AM try Morning Night or Stumble Inn bars in Soi 4.
I don't really hear of guys staying at Ambassador any more. You might want to check if it is value for money, and girl friendly.
Plenty of street walkers still around I guess. Used to have cart bars till very late but police shut them down. Not really best action at 4 AM.
Maybe find out the very late discos.
At 10 AM try Morning Night or Stumble Inn bars in Soi 4.I'm staying at Ambassador for 1 night soon and confirmed through their reservation system that they are girl friendly. They do charge 20 baht to photocopy the lady's ID. Can't speak to value for money, but it's walking distance to Nana BTS, which suits me just fine as I'll be taking the Express Train + BTS from the airport.
Eszpresszo
12-23-16, 17:12
I am landing in BKK around 2 AM. Are girls still around at 3-4 AM in the morning.
Planning to stay in Ambassador hotel for 2 nights.
Main reason for picking this hotel is the climax club. Any experience around this time?You would be surprised what is walking the streets in the wee hours. But, isn't there some "after hours" club at the corner of Soi Cowboy. A place where the talent from the bars go to solicit further after closing?
I was taken to an upscale massage spa (not a sexual place) by my middle class Thai GF. The service was 2 hours long and outstanding, I tipped THB 200. My girl told me I had over tipped, and should not give more than THB 100.
As a foreigner, it's best to be guided by the local market.
I am happy for you that THB 1000 is no big deal, and it's entirely up to your own discretion.
Where I do get annoyed, is you are encouraging other newbies to throw money around when BKK sexual services are already ridiculously overpriced.
My Thai dentist just did the following: 1 x ray, 2 x novocaine jabs, remove old crown, insert temp crown, two hours work for her and the nurse, the bill THB 1700.
Can you see that THB 1000 as a tip is perhaps a little bit over the top?Hi Oliver,
Where is that Dentist you used in case I want to get work done while I'm visiting? And what's the best way to get to Lord and Posiden from Sukhumvit road area? Which Soapy is the better choice?
Thanks Geano.
Crazy4Thai
12-23-16, 17:37
I am landing in BKK around 2 AM. Are girls still around at 3-4 AM in the morning.
Planning to stay in Ambassador hotel for 2 nights.
Main reason for picking this hotel is the climax club. Any experience around this time?Both of the Nana car park FL that I just tried said that they stay out until 6 AM. I think you will not have a problem.
John Traveller
12-23-16, 23:37
I stayed some time in Bkk lately and had time to spare for the bars, although I must say that for barfining the gogo-bars are not a good option these days. Expensive and with so-so quality, it's better to go to a massage parlour. But I still visit the bars for a good time out.
Sow Cowboy:
This street used to be favorite of mine, but that time has long passed. I think it changed around 2012. Of the 26 bars only 4 I find interesting now. (NEP and Patpong are better for barfining at the present time.) Here follows some short reviews of some of the bars.
Cactus: This small joint is easily my favorite. Yes, some of the women have got a few pounds extra (although not all of them), but they are nude and available. A nice atmosphere, rock music and Belgian beer also goes a long way.
Suzie Wongs: Used to my favorite in the old days, but today's Suzie is very different from the classic one. The nice girls are gone, some fatties are left. And what happened to the show?? Just one year ago there were lots of acts (same programme that goes back to at least 2011). Now there are just two, the body painting and the lesbian one (still good). Probably I'm finished with this bar. I was here on a Sunday, maybe it's better on other days. The drinks are of the more expensive, 175 baht. The show starts at 10 pm.
Dollhouse: One the best places on Cowboy now, it has nudity, a (possibly) noughty second floor and low prices during happy hour before 8 pm. But the show at 11 pm is so-so, a bit similar to Suzie, only WITH clothes. Ridiculous. But otherwise a good bar, although the dancer I took out from here (only one from Cowboy this year) turned out to be a clock-watcher.
Shark: A resonably good place to spend some time. Good looking dancers.
Crazy House: Very popular, but I don't like it. Some of the dancers are good looking and some are nude. But I have a problem of how they operate in this business. Girls getting two ladies drinks instad of one and then leaving after a few minutes is just one of the tricks they pull. I'm definitely finished with this bar.
Cowboy2: now one of the "Arab" bars, this means that you should NOT barfine (3000 baht instead of the usual 700). But the bar looks different from the other Arab bars, being full of dancers and customers and having normal drink prices.
Rawhide: The good thing with this bar is that the dancers are attractive and they are nude.
Lighthouse: Boring place with Coyote dancers (not interesting in barfining, or maybe not even in having a drink).
Baccara: Very popular with the Japanese. Many pretty ladies here if you like silicone boobs. Expensive.
Tilac: A large bar, but when I was here (a Sunday) there were few dancers and customers. I find it very strange that some people like this bar, as none of the dancers were attractive and the waitresses were greedy and smelling at the day of my visit.
Sunshine, aka Afterskool: One of the small bars, this one is quite interesting. When I visited I took a seat at the far side of the bar. Then the waitress told me (twice), that I should move over to another seat, because where I sat was the BJ and handjob place. Funny thing. Reasonable priced drinks and a congenial atmosphere. The "dancers" look ok.
Jungle Jims: I never sat down here because it's always full! So it is probably good then? A small place, a bit similar to Afterskool.
SUMMARY: Basically there are two types of bars at Soi Cowboy, the large expensive places with the casual tourist, and the small bars with the repeat customers staying for several drinks and possible exhibit noughty behavior.
THE BEST:
Dollhouse, Shark (large bars).
Cactus, Afterskool / Sunshine (small bars).
PASSABLE BARS: Crazy House, Rawhide (large).
Five Star (live band) , Crazy Cat (medium).
Toy, Jungle Jims (small).
PUBS AND RESTAURANTS: Sams 2000, Shadow, Spritz, Penny Black, Country Road, Old Dutch, The Corner, Tiger Burger+AtCorner.
AVOID: the so called "Arab bars", owned by "The Man From Iran". It seems that all of the employees in these bars are out on the street trying to lure people to go in. Don't go, they are overpriced, and these days with very few dancers and customers. Will they close soon? Sahara, Deja Vu, Spice Girls, Kiss, Rio, Midnite (and partly Cowboy2).
AVOID?: in my opinion these are not worth visiting at this time: Suzie Wongs, Lighthouse, Tilac, Baccara, Lucky Star aka Long Gun, Dundee (large bars).
Moonshine, Fanny's (small bars).
Be aware that Cucktoo is a ladyboys place.
Crazy House: Very popular, but I don't like it. Some of the dancers are good looking and some are nude. But I have a problem of how they operate in this business. Girls getting two ladies drinks instad of one and then leaving after a few minutes is just one of the tricks they pull. I'm definitely finished with this bar.
Tilac: A large bar, but when I was here (a Sunday) there were few dancers and customers. I find it very strange that some people like this bar, as none of the dancers were attractive and the waitresses were greedy and smelling at the day of my visit.I filtered out everything other than the two I want to comment on.
Crazy House: At Crazy House, I don't let the girls buy two drinks. Yes, they will try to order two. Normally "tequila and coke". Which they charge separately for tequila and the coke. I tell them they can get one. They are fine with that. Good girls at Crazy House!
Tilac: Yes, Sunday at Tilac sucks (normally). You picked a bad night. That night is normally dead. But some nights it is awesome. I love the girls there. They are the most GFE at Soi Cowboy in my opinion. It's rare I don't get great service when I take a Tilac girl.
Eszpresszo
12-24-16, 02:23
The only busy tourist area was Soi 4 by nana plaza. Many African girls and many very pretty. They want big money too. The starting is 2000 baut but some can be talked down to 1500 baut. Thai girl are still 1000 baut. BKK was cool just too expensive especially at the massage places that want 1800- 2200 baut.At about 3 AM near Soi 7 at Sukhumit, I had a pretty African girl offer me ST for 1000, if I would buy her a LEO from a lady selling beer out of an ice chest. I had just popped shortly before and wasn't hungry for African food. However, she was rather attractive, pleasant and on the smaller side. Had I still been looking for poon, I likely would have jumped on her, and finally had my total chocolate experience (I've only laid a mulatto girl, who I briefly dated).
Maybe you have to go at the right time and talk to the right girl. I had a comely, young Thai girl try to pimp off her plain, shapeless girlfriend for 2000, as well. But, that was earlier in the evening. Later, at Jungle Jim, I had an unattractive, heavy and very mature Thai woman quote me 2000 for ST (plus barfine) after I made a completely hypothetical request for her price. After I left Soi Cowboy, I went while walking past the Westin and I picked up a superb lay for half that price without haggling. She gladly walked several blocks in some ridiculous high heels to my hotel, with nary a complaint. In my brief time there, my experience was that unrealistic pricing can be found anywhere in BKK, with any demographic.
Another observation is that black people in the sex industry, anywhere in the world, typically go for the least amount of money. That might come off as a racist idea to some, but that is just the cold, hard reality of life. In the American porn industry, they get paid less as performers. On Craigslist, they are always the cheapest hookers. In the DR, the Haitian girls go for a discount to the native Dominican girls. In parts of Spain, apparently the African girls are dirt cheap compared to European girls. That probably applies to the rest of Europe. So that said, why should African girls suddenly go for a premium to the average street price, just because they happen to be in Thailand? Maybe because some guys thought they needed to paid more for coming all the distance to some place where they are not all that welcome? If there is a premium to African girls, it only exists because guys felt they should pay them more. Their services will become cheaper as soon as guys decide they will pay them less. Simple economics. Its not like they are going to be paid better back in Africa, right?
I'm back in Bangkok at the end of January. Am I correct in thinking all the cart bars have gone? Or have they just moved? It would be a shame if they are no longer there as I have found some of my best girls at these venues.
Tilac: Yes, Sunday at Tilac sucks (normally). You picked a bad night. That night is normally dead. But some nights it is awesome. I love the girls there. They are the most GFE at Soi Cowboy in my opinion. It's rare I don't get great service when I take a Tilac girl.Thanks for the tip on Tilac, Smoothy. I used to barfine a favorite from there until she got married and quit the biz about 2 years ago. Since then I haven't really been feeling it with Tilac girls and find myself moving on after one drink unimpressed with the vibe. I only barfined out one girl from there in the past couple of years and it was decidedly unmemorable.
Maybe I should give it another try. Could you elaborate more on what you consider to be the worthwhile GFE (Girl Friend Experience) you fairly consistently experience with Tilac girls?
?..And what's the best way to get to Lord and Posiden from Sukhumvit road area? Which Soapy is the better choice? Thanks Geano.To get to the Lord, it is best to take the underground subway, from Asoke station. I believe it's called the MRT, and the stop for the Lord is the Thai Cultural Center, then you walk a little bit. Avoid taking a taxi during rush hour, too much traffic. Poseidon is 2 stops further. I am not absolutely sure about these, but if you check the clubs websites, they will give you the exact stops and possibly a map showing you which way to walk.
Which one is better is a matter of personal opinion, and i suggest that you check both of them and decide for yourself. The Lord is much more expensive, but the girls are better looking in general. Also, Poseidon used to have a farang surcharge. I was paying an extra 500 bahts a few years ago. Then, one time I brought a Chinese friend of mine. He was not charged the extra, even though it was his first time there. I was charged despite the fact that I had been there many times and they knew me. Never went back again.
I filtered out everything other than the two I want to comment on.
Crazy House: At Crazy House, I don't let the girls buy two drinks. Yes, they will try to order two. Normally "tequila and coke". Which they charge separately for tequila and the coke. I tell them they can get one. They are fine with that. Good girls at Crazy House!
Tilac: Yes, Sunday at Tilac sucks (normally). You picked a bad night. That night is normally dead. But some nights it is awesome. I love the girls there. They are the most GFE at Soi Cowboy in my opinion. It's rare I don't get great service when I take a Tilac girl.Girls trying for 2 drinks also occurs at some other bars. I just show them 1 finger to mean one drink (not the rude sign), CH. I decide when and if I buy a girl a drink. Does not mean I am overly stingy, but we have to maintain control. Waitresses do not get a drink merely because they request one. I decide if they actually deserve one, without prompting by them. The more I get pestered for something, the more sure I will be not to give it. Can't reward bad behavior.
I have been to Tilac several times. BFed a girl only once (in memory over last 2 or 3 years) who was quite good on the bed (no complaints), but maybe not as pretty as I would like. Very tall. Mostly struggled to find any girl that could hook me. Just this bar line up is not quite my personal taste and girls a bit over dressed for me. Will go back once in a while in case place changes some how. I was just a bit bored being used to nudie bars. However any bar can be boring, and most are. So I am agreeing with John Traveller and ET on this one. Just lacking pretty girls, or any girl that managed to attract a park from me.
Suprisingly I recently went in Toy bar and liked two girls from a very small line up and had a good time even did not BF that day. The music was extra good, but not extra loud. Liking the music puts me in the right mood somehow. Pretty faces works too. Just two pretty faces, so I called both of them. One gogo girl and one Coyote. They alternated with each other dancing, or entertaining me.
Sharks is not for me. Girls are Baccara style, but not truly pretty (to my taste). Too many surgeries. Music is bad (I am too old for this stuff). Girls look bored and I am bored. No redeeming features.
I have tried Cactus but did not like it. Just too dark for my aged eyesight. Could not see if girls were pretty or not. Too few girls as well.
So really the only thing that matters is did you get a chemistry with any girls going. Could happen anywhere.
The girls entertain you to get drink commissions. We don't kid ourselves they would be interested in any way in real life. It's just the game.
To get to the Lord, it is best to take the underground subway, from Asoke station. I believe it's called the MRT, and the stop for the Lord is the Thai Cultural Center, then you walk a little bit. Avoid taking a taxi during rush hour, too much traffic. Poseidon is 2 stops further. I am not absolutely sure about these, but if you check the clubs websites, they will give you the exact stops and possibly a map showing you which way to walk.
The Lord is located at Ratchadaphisek 7 Alley, so is approx. Half way between Soon Watthanatham (Thailand Cultural Centre) and Huay Khwang MRT stations on west side of Ratchadaphisek road.
Poseidon is before MRT station Suthisan, but that station is definitely closer than Huay Khwang.
Copa Cabana is near Poseidon (just around the corner) and is worth having a look maybe.
I never went there by Taxi. If lazy to walk can get a motorcycle near most MRT stations.
I'm back in Bangkok at the end of January. Am I correct in thinking all the cart bars have gone? Or have they just moved? It would be a shame if they are no longer there as I have found some of my best girls at these venues.I thought someone reported cart bars moving to Soi 22, but I have not seen any sign of them whatsoever. They were never legal.
Suzie Wongs: Used to my favorite in the old days, but today's Suzie is very different from the classic one. The nice girls are gone, some fatties are left. And what happened to the show?? Just one year ago there were lots of acts (same programme that goes back to at least 2011). Now there are just two, the body painting and the lesbian one (still good). Probably I'm finished with this bar. I was here on a Sunday, maybe it's better on other days. The drinks are of the more expensive, 175 baht. The show starts at 10 pm.
Suzie is definitely in decline. Less slim girls, but still a few left sometimes. Baccara has bought it, or the business at least or taken over the lease, whatever. So drink prices have gone silly, lady drink was 200. Remodelling the bar has commenced I believe. Eventually will change radically. Some shows may have been cut. I did not care for many of the nasty shows anyway.
This bar was packed as recently as when Sheba was merged with Suzie at time Lighthouse opened, in Sheba location. Just 2 or 3 years ago? Business has now dropped right off. The number of shows is greatly dependent on the number of customers to justify it.
PopCorny69
12-24-16, 08:48
Bro,
Usually they are would be around 2-3 AM, try your luck!
Cheers.
I am landing in BKK around 2 AM. Are girls still around at 3-4 AM in the morning.
Planning to stay in Ambassador hotel for 2 nights.
Main reason for picking this hotel is the climax club. Any experience around this time?
Yep. The tourist restaurants are horrible with regards to food safety. Don't know why, but every stupid european breakfast house has the most unsanitary food. I get very sick eating at the tourist restaurants (both Thai food and western food ones) as these people couldn't care if I was eating dead rat heads, they'll never see me again. So I keep to the street food, as those cooking for the locals are relying on repeat customers and are there for years at the same spot. And yeah their food does taste better than the restaurants. They cook 1-2 things and are good at just that.European breakfast house? I don't know what you mean here? Most pubs that serve breakfast are quite okay, that I know of. On other hand, very Thai type places don't know how to make western food. Maybe my stomach is not the most sensitive.
Sure I like street food and its much cheaper. However never had any health issues from other breakfast places.
I did have mild food poisoning lasting several days, from an Italian restaurant in Soi 19 about 8 years ago, where City Lodge is roughly. I should have known the lamb smelled and tasted weird. However as I has ordered truffle sauce, I had no idea what it should smell and taste like. Large size river farm prawns are always far too dangerous for me to order, (to avoid toilet issues). I also had problems with the bright green pickled seaweed salad from a market shop selling Japanese food, more than once. They refused believe it, even though several persons were having diarreah including Thais and that was the only thing in common to us all and each occasion. The seaweed salad has been my only food problem for years since I avoid prawns. I guess it was not fresh each day.
Member #4591
12-24-16, 13:33
I thought someone reported cart bars moving to Soi 22, but I have not seen any sign of them whatsoever. They were never legal.That was me. They have been relocated to Soi 22 down an ally to the left of the main large bar in the front. The owners of the cart bars have rented those hole in the wall bars along either side of the alley.
That was me. They have been relocated to Soi 22 down an ally to the left of the main large bar in the front. The owners of the cart bars have rented those hole in the wall bars along either side of the alley.Okay Can you be a bit more specific? I did not see "cart bars" of course. I am not familiar with "hole in the wall bars". The alley is on East or West side? Which "Main large bar"? How far down Soi 22 are we talking about? I have looked down some alleys in the evening and seen nothing.
You could use Google Maps street view to locate the correct Alley, even if it 5 years old.
https://goo.gl/maps/4UAB99QwGQv
I did have some fun at the cart bars and keen to locate Noi formerly from Easy Bar with the big jugs, if she is working. I did have her number but does not seem to be answered any more. I can also contact another girl Biw, and Eye (LB) who might be working down there.
Are there plenty of girls or is it LB dominated?
Solo Traveler
12-24-16, 16:47
Any mongers who are also familiar with the German P4P venues here in Bangkok?
I want to know whether there are any thing resembles the FKK clubs, Sauna clubs, Pauschalclubs, Partytreffs in Bangkok.
All I know at present are some Gogo Bars and Massage parlors, which do not resemble the German clubs at all.
There used to be a gentlemen club called the Den, but is closed permanently now.
As a frequent monger to both Germany and Thailand, I find that I prefer the P4P venues in Germany.
Member #4591
12-24-16, 17:19
Okay Can you be a bit more specific? I did not see "cart bars" of course. I am not familiar with "hole in the wall bars". The alley is on East or West side? Which "Main large bar"? How far down Soi 22 are we talking about? I have looked down some alleys in the evening and seen nothing.
You could use Google Maps street view to locate the correct Alley, even if it 5 years old.
https://goo.gl/maps/4UAB99QwGQv
I did have some fun at the cart bars and keen to locate Noi formerly from Easy Bar with the big jugs, if she is working. I did have her number but does not seem to be answered any more. I can also contact another girl Biw, and Eye (LB) who might be working down there.
Are there plenty of girls or is it LB dominated?Guys, the ladies from the cart bars work down this alley now. The bars are small and line either side of this alley. At night there are a few ladies sitting in the front. Ignore them and walk down and you will see about 6 bars, 3 on each side. Each bar will have just one small area. They are not actual cart bars anymore. Physical small bars. I found out about the new location from the ladies at one of the cart bars I kept in touch with.
SomeMongerer
12-24-16, 23:26
I know the beauty is in the eye of beholder. However, I found I don't like any pics of the girls posted on this forum so far, so I am checking to see if I can find girls like this in gogo, club, MP? Or I will just go with escort agency or online ads:
http://bangkok.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/very-cute-girl-and-sexy-real-photo-100-contact-me-if-you-want-more-photo/3634242
http://bangkok.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/im-prettyandnaughty-girl-find-guy-for-kiss/3389061
http://bangkok.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/pertty-girl-nice-body-call-me-66882938896/3529802
Thanks in advance.
Wolvenvacht
12-25-16, 00:04
Any mongers who are also familiar with the German P4P venues here in Bangkok?
I want to know whether there are any thing resembles the FKK clubs, Sauna clubs, Pauschalclubs, Partytreffs in Bangkok.
All I know at present are some Gogo Bars and Massage parlors, which do not resemble the German clubs at all.
There used to be a gentlemen club called the Den, but is closed permanently now.
As a frequent monger to both Germany and Thailand, I find that I prefer the P4P venues in Germany.I have never seen any "German style" venues in Thailand. You may find nudity (FKK) in some agogo clubs, but most do not have rooms to retire to with your girl and none have the sauna or wellness areas. Pauschalclubs and Partytreffs {fuck-as-much-or many-as you can for a lumpsum price} seems something typically German. If you want a sauna in Thailand just go out in the midday sun in the rainy season.
Now if only German clubs would hire Thai girls, there would be no need to fly to Thailand.
Eszpresszo
12-25-16, 02:38
Any mongers who are also familiar with the German P4P venues here in Bangkok?
I want to know whether there are any thing resembles the FKK clubs, Sauna clubs, Pauschalclubs, Partytreffs in Bangkok.
All I know at present are some Gogo Bars and Massage parlors, which do not resemble the German clubs at all.
There used to be a gentlemen club called the Den, but is closed permanently now.
As a frequent monger to both Germany and Thailand, I find that I prefer the P4P venues in Germany.Are you sure you have been to Thailand? I've mongered in both places in recent history. While I love the setup in Berlin and the options there, I can't imagine what advantage the P4P situation has in Germany. People are always asking if there is something like an FKK in Sosua / Pattaya / Medellin, when in fact you don't need anything like an FKK in those places. If you have mongered in Thailand, then you have obviously failed to grasp the advantages. Where in Germany can you see hundreds of girls lining the road along a tropical beach, offering themselves for an hour at half of the price it takes to even walk into a FKK? Sure there is variety in the FKK and all the sex clubs you mention. Guess what, it pales in comparison to the variety you would find around BKK and Pattaya. You really like going to places where the limited number of girls will be fucking several (if not dozens) patrons a day, as opposed to a place where the girls might or might not turn a single trick in an evening? The girls on beach road operate in an open party atmosphere and free to come and go as they leave. The girls in the German clubs are subject to the rules of their establishment, which is typically located in the industrial section of some town that would ordinarily be the last place in Europe that you would ever want to visit. Consider the mental state of these two sets of girls and try to determine who is going to be happier at what they are doing, when you engage them? The one who will send that 1000 baht back home and feed her family for at least a week? Or the one who has to fuck numerous guys a day just to come out ahead of an unskilled German worker. Having a small group of women captive to your desires during a set of business hours, isn't the same as having a large group of women eager to serve you at just about any hour. Get a hotel right off Beach Road or stay on Soi 7 in Bangkok. When you need a girl, just walk outside and get one. No entry fee required, the selection changes constantly throughout the day and you can be assured you will have their attention. Spend an afternoon on Soi 6 in Pattaya, staggering to a different bar when you feel the need to pop or see some girl you like. Soi 6 is much bigger than any FKK, it will probably cost you a lot less and the choices will be exponentially greater (plus the girls will smile more).
Don't get me wrong. I enjoyed mongering in Germany and will try and do so again. The experience I got from the truly professional independents on Kaufmich was superb. The cultural aspects of Germany are also very appealing (even if the national cuisine is not). But, if I could be in either place right now I wouldn't hesitate to choose Thailand. Who wouldn't?
I have been to Tilac several times. BFed a girl only once (in memory over last 2 or 3 years) who was quite good on the bed (no complaints), but maybe not as pretty as I would like. Very tall. Mostly struggled to find any girl that could hook me. Just this bar line up is not quite my personal taste and girls a bit over dressed for me. Will go back once in a while in case place changes some how. I was just a bit bored being used to nudie bars. However any bar can be boring, and most are. So I am agreeing with John Traveller and ET on this one. Just lacking pretty girls, or any girl that managed to attract a park from me.
That is why I asked Smoothy if he could and would elaborate on the "GFE" he is talking about in relation to the girls at Tilac. Don't know if he is interested in doing so though. "GFE" is one of those abbreviated concepts that used to mean something very important and quite specific to punters all around the world. But not anymore. Now it could and usually does mean something as subjective and, frankly, meaningless, as "she was nice to me while providing the P4 P service. " When someone says they got a BBBJ+CIM, A+ service, DFK, a HJ, rimming, a COB, etc. , I know exactly what those mean regardless how many punters report on them because those abbreviated concepts still have a specific meaning. But I have no idea what "GFE" means these days except that it almost certainly means a dozen different things to a dozen different punters.
If Tilac or any other bar has somewhat institutionalized a means to get what "GFE" more classically meant to punters all around the world for decades before we became so hand-wringing worried about saying the actual words, as I believe some bars in Bangkok are trying to do right now, then IMO that trumps a whole bunch of other issues that might not spark my interest in going to that bar like whether most of the girls are lacking in go-go girl 8. 5+ rated looks, that it has a boring atmosphere, or inept drink service. LOL. I can overlook those problems in Tilac or anywhere else IF that is the kind of GFE Smoothy is talking about.
That is why I asked Smoothy if he could and would elaborate on the "GFE" he is talking about in relation to the girls at Tilac. Don't know if he is interested in doing so though. "GFE" is one of those abbreviated concepts that used to mean something very important and quite specific to punters all around the world. But not anymore. Now it could and usually does mean something as subjective and, frankly, meaningless, as "she was nice to me while providing the P4 P service. " When someone says they got a BBBJ+CIM, A+ service, DFK, a HJ, rimming, a COB, etc. , I know exactly what those mean regardless how many punters report on them because those abbreviated concepts still have a specific meaning. But I have no idea what "GFE" means these days except that it almost certainly means a dozen different things to a dozen different punters.
If Tilac or any other bar has somewhat institutionalized a means to get what "GFE" more classically meant to punters all around the world for decades before we became so hand-wringing worried about saying the actual words, as I believe some bars in Bangkok are trying to do right now, then IMO that trumps a whole bunch of other issues that might not spark my interest in going to that bar like whether most of the girls are lacking in go-go girl 8. 5+ rated looks, that it has a boring atmosphere, or inept drink service. LOL. I can overlook those problems in Tilac or anywhere else IF that is the kind of GFE Smoothy is talking about.My definition of GFE is exactly what GFE stands for. Girl Friend Experience. It's when it comes off feeling as if the girl is not a P4 P working girl, but an actual girlfriend who gives somewhat of a shit about enjoying spending time with me rather than just money. These type of girls are normally ones who I don't just shag for one night, but I will hang out with for days. These type of girls, I will bring to Phuket or even somewhere like Bali with me on occasion. I'm not saying all girls at Tilac are GFE because they absolutely are not. But I have had more luck finding GFE there than at any other Soi Cowboy bar over the years. Having lived in Southeast Asia for the last 20 years, I can say it was much easier to find GFE when I was younger and better looking than now, but it still happens occasionally.
My definition of GFE is exactly what GFE stands for. Girl Friend Experience. It's when it comes off feeling as if the girl is not a P4 P working girl, but an actual girlfriend who gives somewhat of a shit about enjoying spending time with me rather than just money. These type of girls are normally ones who I don't just shag for one night, but I will hang out with for days. These type of girls, I will bring to Phuket or even somewhere like Bali with me on occasion. I'm not saying all girls at Tilac are GFE because they absolutely are not. But I have had more luck finding GFE there than at any other Soi Cowboy bar over the years. Having lived in Southeast Asia for the last 20 years, I can say it was much easier to find GFE when I was younger and better looking than now, but it still happens occasionally.Ok. Thanks, Smoothy.
Xfreak0000
12-25-16, 12:31
Any mongers who are also familiar with the German P4P venues here in Bangkok?
I want to know whether there are any thing resembles the FKK clubs, Sauna clubs, Pauschalclubs, Partytreffs in Bangkok.
All I know at present are some Gogo Bars and Massage parlors, which do not resemble the German clubs at all.
There used to be a gentlemen club called the Den, but is closed permanently now.
As a frequent monger to both Germany and Thailand, I find that I prefer the P4P venues in Germany.I don't know what the difference between FKK and massage parlor in BKK.
But I have no idea what "GFE" means these days except that it almost certainly means a dozen different things to a dozen different punters.
If Tilac or any other bar has somewhat institutionalized a means to get what "GFE" more classically meant to punters all around the world for decades before we became so hand-wringing worried about saying the actual words, as I believe some bars in Bangkok are trying to do right now, then IMO that trumps a whole bunch of other issues that might not spark my interest in going to that bar like whether most of the girls are lacking in go-go girl 8. 5+ rated looks, that it has a boring atmosphere, or inept drink service. LOL. I can overlook those problems in Tilac or anywhere else IF that is the kind of GFE Smoothy is talking about.I always thought GFE means that the girl performed in a way equal to or better than what has been experienced from a real GF or from a Gik. Hopefully girlfriends are doing sex in an enthusiastic way and trying to enjoy themselves rather than just going through the motions, because the guy wants a fuck. Enthusiastic DFK is basically assumed, but is not enough alone to imply GFE.
I don't like to get into negotiations with girls and make sure they agree to services, A, B, & C, since this is detracting from the GFE. Others will negotiate and agree to all the things to happen. Then it feels like merely a set of procedures. They don't care so much about GFE, because it is not real for them. They expect the girl won't really enjoy everything, merely perform her duty.
I am looking for a girl to have fun, enjoy herself as far as possible, but also to desire to get me off as well, I. E. Mutually good sex. The fact she gets paid does not matter to me. That is her fringe benefit that opens the door to a very hot young woman not normally available to me. If the girl is not into having a good time or seems bored by it all, I will detect that, and be unlikely to take her again.
So simply the GFE should be as close as possible to what you expect from a real GF or better. Some girlfriends are not that expert at certain things or don't like certain things, so if the GFE girl gives more, or is more enthusiastic, no problem. I never had a girlfriend that wanted anal, but if a GFE P4 P girl suggests it, no problem.
I expect to get good looks, and GFE as well. I am not totally happy with just one or the other. All the average looking girls in the bar are unlikely to attract me, even if fab GFE is expected.
In a bar, yes the music does not have to be the best (but it helps), the drinks service only has to be just tolerable, the atmosphere does not have to be best, but above all they have to have girls that attract me (not many needed), and bar has to be tolerable in terms of level of hassles created by the staff.
So last time BFed at Billboard, as example, watched girls on the rotating stage, selected a girl with pretty face and apparently good figure in Coyote type outfit to come over for a drink or two. She acted very lovey dovey with me pretty quickly, so very GFE even before we got to the bedroom. A few kisses got stolen in the bar. Followed by GFE on the bed. Did not even negotiate a price. Everything went right. Was repeated at a later date. She was probably looking for a Farang boyfriend. I think she may no longer be available. Dropped on my LINE contacts recently. May have hooked a boyfriend (or two) to support her already. LOL (not me). The bar work may have been only temporary for her.
I don't really understand what you are getting at about the bar " institutionalizing" GFE. Seems to me it is a lot more about firstly chemistry between girl and customer, and her attitude and purpose. She may be trying hard to hook regular customers that will bring a steady money supply. I don't see how a bar can turn every girl into a GFE provider for all customers. Maybe I have misunderstood you.
Just like Smoothy reports very few less than GFE performances from Tilac, I had very few less than GFE sessions from Suzie Wong, but no stunners in there. I think I may have had 3 girls from Tilac ever and two out of 3 were good (and GFE), one already known to me (previously in Baccara). I believe the third wasn't much good but it is many years ago. Yet I might attend other bars, simply because I am looking for prettier girls, and willing to take the risk of choosing the wrong girls sometimes. Yes I understand others will put guaranteed service levels, or guaranteed GFE ahead of having a really pretty face. I am greedy. I want the pretty good looks (at least really cute) and the GFE. Young and good body is not enough for me.
Asian Rain
12-25-16, 16:42
I don't really understand what you are getting at about the bar "institutionalizing" GFE.If you read reports, you don't have to be a super sleuth to deduce exactly what EihTooms means by "GFE". Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.
Hi folks,
Just a quick update (or a question).
Is it now a standard or I was just super lucky that the girls in soapy or oil massage places provide second release without asking for extra money? I've been in Bangkok for the past a few days, I've visited 3 soapy venues and 1 massage parlor, all the girls asked me if I want a second shot without me even asking for it (one even asked a third time)! I have to admit that I'm a fast shooter (that also means that I am definitely not on the side which making the girls super satisfied), when I finish, there is usually plenty of time left (if consider 1.5 hour as standard). Even though, during my several visits to Bangkok in the past a few years, I only experienced once that the girl gave me second try, which is under the situation that the previous girl refused to serve me and the manager tried to calm me down and sent me "the best service" girl.
I can only imagine that if it is not the standard, it is probably because recently the number of customers has been declined significantly. Two girls out of the four told me that I was her first customer today, but I visited them at 9 pm and 11 pm! (And believe me or not, they are not bad looking at all.).
No matter what, it is a good news for all of us!! Please tell me if you have any information or updates.
And Merry Christmas!
Hi all,
If traveling to Thailand and doing some mongering do you carry you passport at all times? Or locking in hotel safe?, and if visiting a massage place or soapy do the have lockers for your clothing and stuff?
Thanks,
Geano.
I always thought GFE means that the girl performed in a way equal to or better than what has been experienced from a real GF or from a Gik. Hopefully girlfriends are doing sex in an enthusiastic way and trying to enjoy themselves rather than just going through the motions, because the guy wants a fuck. Enthusiastic DFK is basically assumed, but is not enough alone to imply GFE.
I don't like to get into negotiations with girls and make sure they agree to services, A, B, & C, since this is detracting from the GFE. Others will negotiate and agree to all the things to happen. Then it feels like merely a set of procedures. They don't care so much about GFE, because it is not real for them. They expect the girl won't really enjoy everything, merely perform her duty.
I am looking for a girl to have fun, enjoy herself as far as possible, but also to desire to get me off as well, I. E. Mutually good sex. The fact she gets paid does not matter to me. That is her fringe benefit that opens the door to a very hot young woman not normally available to me. If the girl is not into having a good time or seems bored by it all, I will detect that, and be unlikely to take her again.
So simply the GFE should be as close as possible to what you expect from a real GF or better. Some girlfriends are not that expert at certain things or don't like certain things, so if the GFE girl gives more, or is more enthusiastic, no problem. I never had a girlfriend that wanted anal, but if a GFE P4 P girl suggests it, no problem.
I expect to get good looks, and GFE as well. I am not totally happy with just one or the other. All the average looking girls in the bar are unlikely to attract me, even if fab GFE is expected.
In a bar, yes the music does not have to be the best (but it helps), the drinks service only has to be just tolerable, the atmosphere does not have to be best, but above all they have to have girls that attract me (not many needed), and bar has to be tolerable in terms of level of hassles created by the staff.
So last time BFed at Billboard, as example, watched girls on the rotating stage, selected a girl with pretty face and apparently good figure in Coyote type outfit to come over for a drink or two. She acted very lovey dovey with me pretty quickly, so very GFE even before we got to the bedroom. A few kisses got stolen in the bar. Followed by GFE on the bed. Did not even negotiate a price. Everything went right. Was repeated at a later date. She was probably looking for a Farang boyfriend. I think she may no longer be available. Dropped on my LINE contacts recently. May have hooked a boyfriend (or two) to support her already. LOL (not me). The bar work may have been only temporary for her.
I don't really understand what you are getting at about the bar " institutionalizing" GFE. Seems to me it is a lot more about firstly chemistry between girl and customer, and her attitude and purpose. She may be trying hard to hook regular customers that will bring a steady money supply. I don't see how a bar can turn every girl into a GFE provider for all customers. Maybe I have misunderstood you.
Just like Smoothy reports very few less than GFE performances from Tilac, I had very few less than GFE sessions from Suzie Wong, but no stunners in there. I think I may have had 3 girls from Tilac ever and two out of 3 were good (and GFE), one already known to me (previously in Baccara). I believe the third wasn't much good but it is many years ago. Yet I might attend other bars, simply because I am looking for prettier girls, and willing to take the risk of choosing the wrong girls sometimes. Yes I understand others will put guaranteed service levels, or guaranteed GFE ahead of having a really pretty face. I am greedy. I want the pretty good looks (at least really cute) and the GFE. Young and good body is not enough for me.See, I would consider what both you and Smoothy describe as GFE to you falls into the category of "demeanor" that appeals to you and therefore not really different from the "she was nice to me during the P4 P session" concept that I mentioned earlier. It is so subjective as to have virtually no meaning at all when it comes to the next punter looking for a tangible result in a P4 P session. A girl you'd want to take on vacation with you? The three of us might agree that a chatty, sociable lady with a great sense of humor fits the bill while the next guy would like nothing better than his "girlfriend" just STFU so he can hear the waves lapping on the shore. Act like she is genuinely into having sex with me? Good lord, imo that is about as basic a starting point for a P4 P girl earning her money as to be a total deal killer without it. Hardly worthy of touting a girl who at least tries that hard as offering something "extra" as in GFE. Moreover, since I cannot possibly know how shitty the past "girlfriends" of another punter treated him throughout his life, for him to now tell me a particular P4 P girl treated him like a million bucks and delivered wonderful GFE might only mean she didn't bark at him to stop slouching the moment he walked into the hotel room with her.
Asian Rain in his previous post is onto what I am talking about as the classically accepted notion of what those three letters, "GFE", used to mean in the P4 P world in terms of a tangible feature and result offered by a P4 P girl as objective and specific as if a girl said she would give you a BBBJ+CIM or A-Level service. Thankfully, we as punters have not over the years reduced and diluted the meaning of "BBBJ+CIM" to now allow that it could possibly mean a girl sits on the corner of the bed pointing to her mouth while the punter wanks himself off sitting on the opposite corner of the bed, but does so with a big, friendly smile on her face. No, we have stuck to our guns on what the term "BBBJ+CIM" means and what the result of it ought to be before we lay out the baht for it. But not so with "GFE". That now means virtually anything any punter wants it to mean.
As far as my alluding to some bars in Bangkok seeming to me to "somewhat institutionalize" a means for customers to get what GFE more classically meant in the past, I am talking about my fairly recent observation and experience with regard to go-go bars where there are "Special" girls on offer for a moderately higher barfine rate, not exactly Coyotes for whom the barfine rate is exorbitantly higher like the 3,000 baht barfine rate at Cowboy 2 on Soi Cowboy and therefore those Coyotes either never or almost never get barfined out by a customer (as intended by the bar that does not want them to go missing for so much as 2 hours from their decorative and Lady Drink hustling duties at their bar), but the places where the barfine for certain girls is, say, 1,000 baht or 1,500 baht vs 700 baht for the non "Special" girls working there. It seems to me of late that either by insinuation from management to the girls or simply a tacit understanding among the girls who want to remain on that "Special" girl list or who are simply motivated by a sense of competition to bag as many customers and especially repeat customers as possible, the set up, the "institution" is such that those girls are noticeably more inclined to say yes to providing that kind of GFE or whatever "special" service beyond the standard accepted one these days. That they will do so as though they genuinely want to have sex with me or at least as pleasantly as the kind of lady I wouldn't mind having spend a weekend with me on vacation would, in my humble opinion, be a rock bottom basic "given" in the transaction without which I probably wouldn't even bother.
Now, I don't mean to say ALL of those kind of "Special" girls will agree in the bar negotiation to providing whatever special service constitutes a GFE to every punter (btw, in these cases I believe that detail needs to be negotiated and agreed to by the girl in the bar beforehand. Not with a smile and a nod. Not even with an "ok" from the girl. Thai girls often are not committed to the idea that the word "ok" is the same as saying "yes" to something. A firm and unambiguous "yes" is the word we need to hear. Nothing else means "yes" to many Thai girls). Not at all. But it has been my impression of late that where the bar and the girl expects you to pay a reasonably higher barfine to the bar in order to take her out (1,000 or 1,500 vs the usual 700 baht), it is not UNexpected by her that you would naturally be inclined to ask for a higher level of service in exchange for it, more than the usual or standard service shall we say. She might still say no. I don't mean she will definitely say yes or that the bar is pressuring her to say yes or anything of the kind. But she at least will hear without recoiling in fake horror that your willingness to pay an 800 baht surcharge for her time and services ought naturally to be balanced by her willingness to deliver more for it. It isn't in writing. It doesn't appear on a menu. It won't be spelled out by a mamasan and there are no Coyotes standing outside the bar holding a sign telling customers that is the deal with the "Special" girls in this or that bar. But it is somewhat institutionalized by the understanding among most concerned that they are asking customers to pay that 800 baht surcharge over the usual barfine rate for certain ladies to deliver something tangibly and objectively more and not just for exhibiting a more pleasant demeanor while delivering the usual, standard level of service.
Arn Poddict
12-25-16, 21:54
I am looking for a girl to have fun, enjoy herself as far as possible, but also to desire to get me off as well, I. E. Mutually good sex. The fact she gets paid does not matter to me. That is her fringe benefit that opens the door to a very hot young woman not normally available to me. If the girl is not into having a good time or seems bored by it all, I will detect that, and be unlikely to take her again.
I expect to get good looks, and GFE as well. I am not totally happy with just one or the other. All the average looking girls in the bar are unlikely to attract me, even if fab GFE is expected.
I am greedy. I want the pretty good looks (at least really cute) and the GFE. Young and good body is not enough for me.You want best looking bar girls who will have fun with you and fuck you as you were their boyfriend. Good luck. Hopefully you are young and handsome, it helps.
Most of the best looking bar girls I take to my hotel room in Thailand don't really enjoy themselves. For them it is just a business transaction. I don't mind, I pay these hookers to fuck them and to play with their bodies, not to have fun with me.
See, I would consider what both you and Smoothy describe as GFE to you falls into the category of "demeanor" that appeals to you and therefore not really different from the "she was nice to me during the P4 P session" concept that I mentioned earlier. It is so subjective as to have virtually no meaning at all when it comes to the next punter looking for a tangible result in a P4 P session. A girl you'd want to take on vacation with you? The three of us might agree that a chatty, sociable lady with a great sense of humor fits the bill while the next guy would like nothing better than his "girlfriend" just STFU so he can hear the waves lapping on the shore. Act like she is genuinely into having sex with me? Good lord, imo that is about as basic a starting point for a P4 P girl earning her money as to be a total deal killer without it. Hardly worthy of touting a girl who at least tries that hard as offering something "extra" as in GFE. Moreover, since I cannot possibly know how shitty the past "girlfriends" of another punter treated him throughout his life, for him to now tell me a particular P4 P girl treated him like a million bucks and delivered wonderful GFE might only mean she didn't bark at him to stop slouching the moment he walked into the hotel room with her.
Asian Rain in his previous post is onto what I am talking about as the classically accepted notion of what those three letters, "GFE", used to mean in the P4 P world in terms of a tangible feature and result offered by a P4 P girl as objective and specific as if a girl said she would give you a BBBJ+CIM or A-Level service. Thankfully, we as punters have not over the years reduced and diluted the meaning of "BBBJ+CIM" to now allow that it could possibly mean a girl sits on the corner of the bed pointing to her mouth while the punter wanks himself off sitting on the opposite corner of the bed, but does so with a big, friendly smile on her face. No, we have stuck to our guns on what the term "BBBJ+CIM" means and what the result of it ought to be before we lay out the baht for it. But not so with "GFE". That now means virtually anything any punter wants it to mean.
As far as my alluding to some bars in Bangkok seeming to me to "somewhat institutionalize" a means for customers to get what GFE more classically meant in the past, I am talking about my fairly recent observation and experience with regard to go-go bars where there are "Special" girls on offer for a moderately higher barfine rate, not exactly Coyotes for whom the barfine rate is exorbitantly higher like the 3,000 baht barfine rate at Cowboy 2 on Soi Cowboy and therefore those Coyotes either never or almost never get barfined out by a customer (as intended by the bar that does not want them to go missing for so much as 2 hours from their decorative and Lady Drink hustling duties at their bar), but the places where the barfine for certain girls is, say, 1,000 baht or 1,500 baht vs 700 baht for the non "Special" girls working there. It seems to me of late that either by insinuation from management to the girls or simply a tacit understanding among the girls who want to remain on that "Special" girl list or who are simply motivated by a sense of competition to bag as many customers and especially repeat customers as possible, the set up, the "institution" is such that those girls are noticeably more inclined to say yes to providing that kind of GFE or whatever "special" service beyond the standard accepted one these days. That they will do so as though they genuinely want to have sex with me or at least as pleasantly as the kind of lady I wouldn't mind having spend a weekend with me on vacation would, in my humble opinion, be a rock bottom basic "given" in the transaction without which I probably wouldn't even bother.
Now, I don't mean to say ALL of those kind of "Special" girls will agree in the bar negotiation to providing whatever special service constitutes a GFE to every punter (btw, in these cases I believe that detail needs to be negotiated and agreed to by the girl in the bar beforehand. Not with a smile and a nod. Not even with an "ok" from the girl. Thai girls often are not committed to the idea that the word "ok" is the same as saying "yes" to something. A firm and unambiguous "yes" is the word we need to hear. Nothing else means "yes" to many Thai girls). Not at all. But it has been my impression of late that where the bar and the girl expects you to pay a reasonably higher barfine to the bar in order to take her out (1,000 or 1,500 vs the usual 700 baht), it is not UNexpected by her that you would naturally be inclined to ask for a higher level of service in exchange for it, more than the usual or standard service shall we say. She might still say no. I don't mean she will definitely say yes or that the bar is pressuring her to say yes or anything of the kind. But she at least will hear without recoiling in fake horror that your willingness to pay an 800 baht surcharge for her time and services ought naturally to be balanced by her willingness to deliver more for it. It isn't in writing. It doesn't appear on a menu. It won't be spelled out by a mamasan and there are no Coyotes standing outside the bar holding a sign telling customers that is the deal with the "Special" girls in this or that bar. But it is somewhat institutionalized by the understanding among most concerned that they are asking customers to pay that 800 baht surcharge over the usual barfine rate for certain ladies to deliver something tangibly and objectively more and not just for exhibiting a more pleasant demeanor while delivering the usual, standard level of service.Well, that is certainly a long and roundabout way of saying you consider GFE = BBFS.
Hi all,
If traveling to Thailand and doing some mongering do you carry you passport at all times? Or locking in hotel safe?, and if visiting a massage place or soapy do the have lockers for your clothing and stuff?
Thanks,
Geano.I just carry a coloured photocopy of it in my wallet.
Sometime I do take a picture with my phone of the visa stamp page.
I have also a set of pictures of all my ID's in my phone, incl driving licence.
No lockers in MP. Lucky if they have a hanger. Just keep all un the pocket and go to known places.
Don't carry more than what is needed.
I just carry a coloured photocopy of it in my wallet.
Sometime I do take a picture with my phone of the visa stamp page.
I have also a set of pictures of all my ID's in my phone, incl driving licence.
No lockers in MP. Lucky if they have a hanger. Just keep all un the pocket and go to known places.
Don't carry more than what is needed.Having had a bag stolen before, I can say you definitely do not want to have your passport with you. It is too valuable. Leave it somewhere safe. Also to carry only what you really need to carry with you. Imagine if you happened to somehow lose your wallet or similar.
Good advice to carry photocopies only.
You want best looking bar girls who will have fun with you and fuck you as you were their boyfriend. Good luck. Hopefully you are young and handsome, it helps.
Most of the best looking bar girls I take to my hotel room in Thailand don't really enjoy themselves. For them it is just a business transaction. I don't mind, I pay these hookers to fuck them and to play with their bodies, not to have fun with me.No I am not young and handsome. Yet can find young girls really into it, certainly not all of them. Thai girls are a bit different to Western girls. They like nice men more than young arrogant men. Young and handsome would be just a bonus for them. Some young and beautiful girls that work part time, tell me they actually like sex a lot. The advantage of bar girls is that they are not getting far too many fucks per day. This can also be an advantage of very plain girls. They may not be getting too many fucks as well.
My freelancer repeated 4 times in total, was originally met on the street. Not stunning for looks but acceptable to me. She got 3 pops last session (in DATY, cowgirl and prone). She had been up country and no sex for at least 2 weeks. She was actually quite horny. She said this was the most pops she ever got single occasion as a street free lancer. Get the girl in the right mood and the right occasion, can be a cracker. I prefer to avoid girls taking 6 to 10 fucks per day, and just going through the motions. Stunning girls do not need to take so many fucks per day to make money too.
Ever since I first tried a Thai girl, maybe 30 years ago, I have always found Thai hookers were much more into it than western hookers of my home country, and particularly the Thai part time hookers. My early Thermae experiences were really great. It's a pity that Thermae is now dominated by presumably full time hookers, often looking for a quickie rather than all night.
Thai girls are far more likely to take a foreign boyfriend of significantly higher age, compared to age gaps western girls accept. Some girls really say they prefer older guys. One such Thai girl told me she started with western guys at the age of 16 and has not had Thai man ever in her life, nor been interested in one. A very exceptional case, no doubt. Other Thai girls got sick of very unreliable Thai men who make a baby and then just disappear. It is claimed that foreign men have a greater sense of responsibility, to look after their women and children.
Having had a bag stolen before, I can say you definitely do not want to have your passport with you. It is too valuable. Leave it somewhere safe. Also to carry only what you really need to carry with you. Imagine if you happened to somehow lose your wallet or similar.
Good advice to carry photocopies only.When I say carry all in the pocket, I referred to MP visits where there is no locker.
The "all" means "what you carry daily", I. E. The minimum basic.
Keeping in the pocket means not forgetting it somewhere.
Just as much do in my hotel room even if alone. All grouped together.
Of course passport and most of valuables stay in the staff till when needed.
I have a light coloured bag to keep stuff in the safe, to avoid something stays behind.
Always have phone, iPad, passport covers or folders of a bright colour, I. E. Not black: more visible on a hotel room desk of shelf.
Leave them in a clear area, will be more visible to your eyes when leaving the room.
I wear a Rolex and never had an issue. They might think it is fake, LOL.
I leave it in the safe only in some places or if I plan to go to unknown environments.
Not a big target as cash or iPhone, LOL.
Also a passport is not a target, but can be list, of course.
Well, that is certainly a long and roundabout way of saying you consider GFE = BBFS.I am sure Smoothy did not seek to imply he got BBFS with all Tilac girls, when he said GFE. I probably failed to grasp what ET may have been hinting at. I did struggle to understand ET's post, being rather indirect vague stuff.
I am sure Smoothy did not seek to imply he got BBFS with all Tilac girls, when he said GFE.Of course not. It's all about attitude. It has nothing to do with BBFS.
Well, that is certainly a long and roundabout way of saying you consider GFE = BBFS.Um. That's not really the only thing that post was about. Much of it was in response to Syzy's wondering what I meant about some bars seeming to "somewhat institutionalize" a means for the customer to get whatever he might consider a more tangible and objective version of the more classically defined GFE.
I am sure Smoothy did not seek to imply he got BBFS with all Tilac girls, when he said GFE. I probably failed to grasp what ET may have been hinting at. I did struggle to understand ET's post, being rather indirect vague stuff.LOL. Well, if we're no longer worried about coming right out and posting about no condom vaginal intercourse (BBFS) here for fear of rooting out the Safe Sex, This is the Wrong Forum, We're All Going To Die, You're Boring Me, Why Did You Taunt The Safe Sex Scolds?, Violating Board Rules and Guidelines crowd in posts where that subject is broached, I can certainly be a lot more direct and less vague about it next time.
But I had no idea what Smoothy meant by GFE either since it could well mean anything today and no longer means what it classically meant (BBFS). That is why I asked if he could elaborate on what he meant. As I mentioned in that long reply, based on what I have observed and experienced of late with regard to some bars "somewhat institutionalizing" a means to achieve the BBFS kind of GFE with certain girls, I believe he COULD have meant Tilac Bar is on that program. In which case, I would be quite a bit more interested in re-visiting Tilac Bar and giving it another chance. That is why I asked what he meant by GFE.
As an interesting aside, the reasonably higher 1,500 baht barfine vs the regular 700 baht issue at some bars I mentioned in my longer reply might very well also apply during holiday periods where they jack up the barfine rate to that amount. I stopped into Mandarin go-go bar (middle level) this Christmas Eve and after the first sip of her Lady Drink a cute, fit, young girl who probably was ordinarily a regular 700 baht barfine girl when it isn't a holiday said the barfine tonight is 1,500 baht instead of 700 because of Christmas. So I hit her with the question about what I would expect to happen if I paid 1,500 baht just to barfine her, including BBFS/no condom vaginal intercourse, and have never had that question answered in the affirmative so fast! "YES!" As I was trying to say previously, I believe many of these girls appreciate and understand there ought to be a good reason a customer pays 800 baht more just to the bar in order to take them out and are up for discussing the reasons early and often. True, there is no way for me to know if that is the way she would have replied even when the barfine hadn't been jacked up for the holiday, but just passing along that little tidbit anyway.
LOL. Well, if we're no longer worried about coming right out and posting about no condom vaginal intercourse (BBFS) here for fear of rooting out the Safe Sex, This is the Wrong Forum, You're Boring Me, Why Did You Taunt The Safe Sex Scolds?, Viotaling Board Rules and Guidelines crowd in posts where that subject is broached, I can certainly be a lot more direct and less vague about it next time.
I am sorry. I like fairly straight forward talk that is understandable. Those who lecture on safe sex are clearly outside the rules, if in the wrong thread.
It is not illegal to mention BBFS sex if that is the intended meaning, however advisable to not taunt the safe sex preachers too much, by overdoing it or by being too smart ass about it (not implying anything about yourself here). So gloating is not a good idea, though not always easy to know what will rile the religious preachers.
I even liked some of your previous comments about having the test result certificates/prints, which also could be useful even in event of a condom accident.
I did not get the hint about BBFS, if there was one. Not that intuitive, myself. If you had mentioned it more directly, would not have upset me at all. I am not a safe sex preacher, and I recognise the rules do not permit it. I only dislike it when it becomes a battle in the wrong thread. I think every guy can make his own decision what things are too risky for him, or put the debates in the Safe Sex thread. For many it is a boring topic, done to death so many times.
I definitely think a CBJ would detract significantly from a GFE (LOL). I can't recall my last CBJ in Thailand. Too long ago, but may have been when the girl had a gum injury or just returned from dentist. If necessary, I promise not to CIM, and girls generally trust me.
what it classically meant (BBFS). That's what it classically meant? I must have missed that definition in all my years in Asia. I always thought GFE meant they acted like a girlfriend. To describe a girl who does BBFS, I simply say BBFS or raw. I'm not sure why you would want to cloud the issue by trying to mask it by lumping it into the GFE category. There are plenty of hard core mercenary hookers who allow BBFS but aren't GFE in any way. Since you use GFE to describe BBFS, how do you describe an actual girl friend experience?
I even liked some of your previous comments about having the test result certificates/prints, which also could be useful even in event of a condom accident.I would be fully in favor of venues offering BBFS as just another item on their menu (in places where items like BBBJ, BBBJ+CIM, A-Level, DFK, etc. also appear on a menu) for the same kind of additional surcharge some venues charge for A-Level, but only IF the customer can also produce a current, within a couple of months, clean blood check document for HIV / STDs along with a matching copy of his passport photo page to match the name on the document. The birth control issue was always taken care of by the girls in the pre HIV hysteria age anyway and is easier for them to utilize more effective methods of birth control now, so proving a customer had gotten a vasectomy and could not impregnate the girl would not be a factor. And, of course, the girl would have to be agreeable to it for the specific customer regardless what a menu says.
I see far more upside for venues and girls offering such an option under those circumstances than downside. For one, it would encourage more BBFS fans to go get themselves tested so they and their partners will know if they are at high risk to each other or near zero risk. And any time you get touchy subjects out there in the open and out of the shadows, the better for everyone.
That's what it classically meant? I must have missed that definition in all my years in Asia. I always thought GFE meant they acted like a girlfriend. To describe a girl who does BBFS, I simply say BBFS or raw. I'm not sure why you would want to cloud the issue by trying to mask it by lumping it into the GFE category. There are plenty of hard core mercenary hookers who allow BBFS but aren't GFE in any way. Since you use GFE to describe BBFS, how do you describe an actual girl friend experience?
I would call what you described as GFE as "she was nice to me during the P4 P session," or that "her demeanor appealed to me. " Not that there is no value in that. Of course, there is.
GFE as a euphemism for BBFS in most P4 P mongering destinations around the world in the past still has a residual effect even on places where the proprietors do not mean BBFS today at all, due to the stigma surrounding BBFS since at least the early 1990's, but are likely HOPING their customers might draw that conclusion and patronize their establishment anyway. For example, on some Escort Agency websites, when you see GFE touted as just another feature offered in the check box list for what a particular escort offers right next to where it says BBBJ, CIM, COB, DFK, and so on (or not), do you think the girl is only pitching the idea that she will be nice to you and act like she genuinely wants to have sex with you? Maybe. But imo that's a pretty sad commentary on what her agency thought they were getting in business to provide in the first place. What could a girl possibly mean when she or the venue doesn't include GFE as one of the special features she is up for if it is only meant that she will be nice to you? That she will treat you like an asshole? LOL. Possibly.
No, I think the item GFE is simply included among the possible options today because what GFE classically meant was considered a viable option in the past and they are hoping there is a residual payoff for them to tout it being offered in their establishment today whether it really is officially offered or not. Today, likely not. Not officially, that is.
And to answer your question, "Since you use GFE to describe BBFS, how do you describe an actual girl friend experience", have to say it would never occur to me to go to a P4P venue, hire a girl for or expect to get from a P4P girl the kind of personal feelings, love and intimacy an actual girlfriend provides. Honestly, it would be demeaning to both of us in mind and spirit to do so.
I certainly would expect her to be nice to me or project a pleasant demeanor along the way. Not because there was a box checked next to where it says GFE, but because that is just the way any service provider is expected to behave unless they are bad at their job. But if an actual girlfriend of mine thought or insisted that our sexual experiences together ought to include me wearing a condom for just about anything, she would be replaced by another girlfriend about as fast as you can say, "next". That doesn't mean I don't love her anymore, will ever forget the good times or won't wish things had worked out better between us. But, seriously, she could not be my girlfriend for sexual intimacy or likely for anything more than the annual Merry Christmas and Happy Birthday wishes.
Hi folks,
Just a quick update (or a question).
Is it now a standard or I was just super lucky that the girls in soapy or oil massage places provide second release without asking for extra money? I've been in Bangkok for the past a few days, I've visited 3 soapy venues and 1 massage parlor, all the girls asked me if I want a second shot without me even asking for it (one even asked a third time)! I have to admit that I'm a fast shooter (that also means that I am definitely not on the side which making the girls super satisfied), when I finish, there is usually plenty of time left (if consider 1.5 hour as standard). Even though, during my several visits to Bangkok in the past a few years, I only experienced once that the girl gave me second try, which is under the situation that the previous girl refused to serve me and the manager tried to calm me down and sent me "the best service" girl.
I can only imagine that if it is not the standard, it is probably because recently the number of customers has been declined significantly. Two girls out of the four told me that I was her first customer today, but I visited them at 9 pm and 11 pm! (And believe me or not, they are not bad looking at all.).
No matter what, it is a good news for all of us!! Please tell me if you have any information or updates.
And Merry Christmas!I would rather say that you were just more lucky than your previous visits. I also am a fast shooter in the beginning of my trips in Thailand and most of the time, the girls are not that much willing to do it a second time. However some girls are OK for a second shot. It's been many years that I've been traveling in Thailand and I did not see any significant change about that. That's the reason why I avoid the 1 shot only places and prefer going in places where the management does not apply strict rules or where it is common to have 2 shots during the session. We tend to believe that all the MPs are sex factories when in fact they are not. It happened a few times that I went to see a girl in an MP around 5 pm (with a line up of 4 or 5 girls) and she told me that it was very quiet, and that there were only 2 customers that entered the shop before me.
I'm always worried that if there is a raid or police control, photocopy might be a problem. In the meanwhile, I hate to carry my passport around.
Having had a bag stolen before, I can say you definitely do not want to have your passport with you. It is too valuable. Leave it somewhere safe. Also to carry only what you really need to carry with you. Imagine if you happened to somehow lose your wallet or similar.
Good advice to carry photocopies only.
I'm always worried that if there is a raid or police control, photocopy might be a problem. In the meanwhile, I hate to carry my passport around.It is not at all clear what worries you or what is your point, re the photocopy.
...GFE as a euphemism for BBFS in most P4 P mongering destinations around the world...Sorry, not in the US, to my knowledge. Then again, I have been only mongering for close to 20 years, and I have been in many parts of the world. GFE reads as Girl Friend Experience, no BBFS is implied there.
It is not at all clear what worries you or what is your point, re the photocopy.He is afraid that the photocopy isn't sufficient.
He might be right, with LE in any country of the world, one cannot be sure and common sense doesn't always prevail.
A document is a document still subject to scrutineràwhy, a photocopy is worth nothing, to be honest.
Nevertheless I prefer to engage in such a matter.
It all depends also in the circumstances the ID check is being carried out.
Sorry, not in the US, to my knowledge. Then again, I have been only mongering for close to 20 years, and I have been in many parts of the world. GFE reads as Girl Friend Experience, no BBFS is implied there.My definition of GFE, to put it short, is when the girl has a nice attitude, doesn't engage in pure mechanical actions, does good and "convinced" DFK, is open to foreplay, doesn't jump out of the bed to get dressed when the deed is over, flirts, doesn't count the minutes.
How the deed is carried, BB etc is another story.
Do not forget another expression, PSE, forged, most likley, as a totally different bed action than with your GF, talking in a generic way, of course, by stereotypes.
Arn Poddict
12-26-16, 19:08
Thai girls are far more likely to take a foreign boyfriend of significantly higher age, compared to age gaps western girls accept. Some girls really say they prefer older guys. One such Thai girl told me she started with western guys at the age of 16 and has not had Thai man ever in her life, nor been interested in one. A very exceptional case, no doubt. Other Thai girls got sick of very unreliable Thai men who make a baby and then just disappear. It is claimed that foreign men have a greater sense of responsibility, to look after their women and children.This is good news for all of us western guys who plan to retire in Thailand at the age of 60+. I hope the culture will be the same in the future as well. Thus I will be able to pay and play with hot young agogo bar hookers even when I have turned into an old snake head.
This is good news for all of us western guys who plan to retire in Thailand at the age of 60+. I hope the culture will be the same in the future as well. Thus I will be able to pay and play with hot young agogo bar hookers even when I have turned into an old snake head.If you are smart, don't pick up a fulltime girlfriend to get bored with and waste money on. Plenty of us are old snake heads already, and have some fun with girls up to 40 years younger. Too young to be suitable for a GF but very suitable for good fun.
Thai girls are far more likely to take a foreign boyfriend of significantly higher age, compared to age gaps western girls accept. Some girls really say they prefer older guys.Not as much as they used to. When I first moved here 17 years ago it was very common to see a dude in his 60's with a looker in her 20's. Now that is very rare. Even working gals want guys closer to their own age now. The 60 plus men I see are usually with gals well into their 30's if not 40's. It isn't the same; not at all.
Not as much as they used to. When I first moved here 17 years ago it was very common to see a dude in his 60's with a looker in her 20's. Now that is very rare. Even working gals want guys closer to their own age now. The 60 plus men I see are usually with gals well into their 30's if not 40's. It isn't the same; not at all.Okay I was thinking of 40 year gaps for mongering only. Not so much for BF and GF, where I think 40 year gap is really far too much except for very rich men. I am not aware of 40 year gap relationships being common in former times. However I don't hang out in the right areas to see it, most likely. Would Pattaya pubs be the place to see it? So I have not noticed significant change, although accept that changed economic situations and social values will bring change for sure.
I know very well that I am not socialising with Farangs in Thailand that much, quite anti-social I guess, and that would have been the case many years ago as well. I do attend the sports pub, but did not do so many years ago, so cannot make a comparison. Even in the pub, I chat to the Thai girl staff more than the Farangs. So I just have to accept that wide age gap couples are less prevalent.
20 years ago, Pattaya was the anything goes place in Thailand, and Bangkok a lot more stodgy and conservative. However times change and girls wear far more sexy gear in Bangkok these days even showing a cleavage and ass shape in tight pants, and may be less self conscious about walking around hand in hand with an older Farang.
I do have one buddy with a GF 35 years younger Cambodian GF, of about 3 years duration, which does look ludicrous especially as we know she was an Ice addict. He was always known for poor choices (on the surface). When I was first in Thailand, one buddy had a Thai wife that was actually older than him, and with step daughter. A big shock.
My own GF is just over 20 years younger. A little too much. I never meant to pick up a GF. Just fell into it gradually by being sympathetic to a girl's tough situation in life (and finding her rather hot at first). Not a great idea. She has an excellent body which is something. Face starts to look older. Fortunately I look younger than my true age to most Thais. So some may think I only look 15 years older than the Mrs.
One has to feel sorry for a 35 YO girl possibly in her sexual prime stuck with a 75+ man. I suppose she can play up to get some better action. Yet 35 YO girls can be quite happy sexually with 50 to 60 YO guys.
Okay I was thinking of 40 year gaps for mongering only. Not so much for BF and GF, where I think 40 year gap is really far too much except for very rich men. I am not aware of 40 year gap relationships being common in former times. However I don't hang out in the right areas to see it, most likely. Would Pattaya pubs be the place to see it? So I have not noticed significant change, although accept that changed economic situations and social values will bring change for sure.
I know very well that I am not socialising with Farangs in Thailand that much, quite anti-social I guess, and that would have been the case many years ago as well. I do attend the sports pub, but did not do so many years ago, so cannot make a comparison. Even in the pub, I chat to the Thai girl staff more than the Farangs. So I just have to accept that wide age gap couples are less prevalent.
20 years ago, Pattaya was the anything goes place in Thailand, and Bangkok a lot more stodgy and conservative. However times change and girls wear far more sexy gear in Bangkok these days even showing a cleavage and ass shape in tight pants, and may be less self conscious about walking around hand in hand with an older Farang.
I do have one buddy with a GF 35 years younger Cambodian GF, of about 3 years duration, which does look ludicrous especially as we know she was an Ice addict. He was always known for poor choices (on the surface). When I was first in Thailand, one buddy had a Thai wife that was actually older than him, and with step daughter. A big shock.
My own GF is just over 20 years younger. A little too much. I never meant to pick up a GF. Just fell into it gradually by being sympathetic to a girl's tough situation in life (and finding her rather hot at first). Not a great idea. She has an excellent body which is something. Face starts to look older. Fortunately I look younger than my true age to most Thais. So some may think I only look 15 years older than the Mrs.After 40 the formula is half your age plus 7! For some strange reason I am spot on with my GF. I see fewer guys with BGs now, most opting instead for gals with a bit more potential in life.
I think Thai gals hit there "dress sexy" peak about 3 or 4 years ago. Since the coup dress has become more and more conservative. I wish they would dress a bit more sexy. Now, some of the Chinese tourist gals are really wearing short shorts et al.
If you are smart, don't pick up a fulltime girlfriend to get bored with and waste money on. Plenty of us are old snake heads already, and have some fun with girls up to 40 years younger. Too young to be suitable for a GF but very suitable for good fun.Reason for mongering for many of us is that we get to have sex with someone who is young, hot and horny who we may have a lot of fun with for a short time only. But this is done in the knowledge that spending a longer time together would be disastrous because of so little else in common.
After 40 the formula is half your age plus 7! For some strange reason I am spot on with my GF. I see fewer guys with BGs now, most opting instead for gals with a bit more potential in life.
Ha Ha. Very good. I don't see why it doesn't work from the age of 30. That would be 30 YO with 22 YO girl. Somewhat okay If girl is not a silly type, remembering that the guy may be immature at 30. LOL.
At 36, I was indeed interested in 25 YO girls approx.
We could say from age 22, since that gives an 18 YO girl.
Member #2041
12-27-16, 06:42
As I am 56, I am finding that the formula results in 35 year-old women being right for me. But I prefer them in their late 20's, to maybe 32 at most. LOL!
Reason for mongering for many of us is that we get to have sex with someone who is young, hot and horny who we may have a lot of fun with for a short time only. But this is done in the knowledge that spending a longer time together would be disastrous because of so little else in common.Absolutely right on comment. When I was really young, never got the opportunity to have wild sex with hot young girls, also GF and wife never lived up to expectations. Never had the experience and training to select a woman compatible. After escape from the wife from hell, comes the desire to find out what hot young sexy girls were like. Cravings for intimacy, even if illusion, previously so lacking for years. Then becomes a bad habit / hobby but fun.
As I am 56, I am finding that the formula results in 35 year-old women being right for me. But I prefer them in their late 20's, to maybe 32 at most. LOL!Since you use the word "them", I am not sure you refer to a GF or wife.
The formula is not for selecting P4 P girls. LOL. In P4 P I can enjoy girls 18 to 35, in different ways.
Member #2041
12-27-16, 07:04
Since you use the word "them", I am not sure you refer to a GF or wife.
The formula is not for selecting P4 P girls. LOL. In P4 P I can enjoy girls 18 to 35, in different ways.If the formula was designed to deliver me a wife or long term GF of the optimum age, I would expect it to spit out the null set for me.
BTW, Syzygies, I agree with you that P4P sex becomes a habit, I simply disagree with the assessment that it's a BAD habit. So long as one's budget is not being taxed, I think it's a WONDERFUL habit. (It helps that I live a short drive to Tijuana, and that the Mexican Peso is now over 20-1) So now I can get properly laid 3-4 times a week by young hot girls for less money than most folks spend on groceries, all in inclusive of travel expenses. I'm spending under $100 US a week on my habit at current exchange rates.
After 40 the formula is half your age plus 7!I have always gone by half my age plus 3. At least for a serious live-in girlfriend.
If the formula was designed to deliver me a wife or long term GF of the optimum age, I would expect it to spit out the null set for me.
BTW, Syzygies, I agree with you that P4P sex becomes a habit, I simply disagree with the assessment that it's a BAD habit. So long as one's budget is not being taxed, I think it's a WONDERFUL habit. (It helps that I live a short drive to Tijuana, and that the Mexican Peso is now over 20-1) So now I can get properly laid 3-4 times a week by young hot girls for less money than most folks spend on groceries, all in inclusive of travel expenses. I'm spending under $100 US a week on my habit at current exchange rates.Not so bad if you have no GF. Its having a GF that is the real BAD habit. That costs me significantly more.
My proverb for the New Year:
"Meu tham ruay, khuay tham jon". The hand makes us rich, the dick makes us poor.
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I think Thai gals hit there "dress sexy" peak about 3 or 4 years ago. Since the coup dress has become more and more conservative. I wish they would dress a bit more sexy. Now, some of the Chinese tourist gals are really wearing short shorts et al.I always thought Asian girls do dress sexy or, let's say, more revealing clothes.
Mini skiers, short pants, nice make up, well kept finger nails, sexy shoes, high heels. A pleasure for the eyes.
I always joke that on BTS at 7 pm it is sometime difficult to discriminate an office girl going back home from a bar girl going to her "office".
If the formula was designed to deliver me a wife or long term GF of the optimum age, I would expect it to spit out the null set for me.
BTW, Syzygies, I agree with you that P4P sex becomes a habit, I simply disagree with the assessment that it's a BAD habit. So long as one's budget is not being taxed, I think it's a WONDERFUL habit. (It helps that I live a short drive to Tijuana, and that the Mexican Peso is now over 20-1) So now I can get properly laid 3-4 times a week by young hot girls for less money than most folks spend on groceries, all in inclusive of travel expenses. I'm spending under $100 US a week on my habit at current exchange rates.And you live in a part of the world with perfect weather!
I always thought Asian girls do dress sexy or, let's say, more revealing clothes.
Mini skiers, short pants, nice make up, well kept finger nails, sexy shoes, high heels. A pleasure for the eyes.
I always joke that on BTS at 7 pm it is sometime difficult to discriminate an office girl going back home from a bar girl going to her "office".Thai Uni gals used to wear very tight short skirts and tight tops to show off what little they might have up top. Now they are all wearing longer, looser, and less revealing ones. I would say office dress has become far more conservative as well. Far fewer short tight skirts these days. Thailand is regressing when it comes to women feeling free to express themselves sexually. And the women are going right along with this trend.
Absolutely right on comment. When I was really young, never got the opportunity to have wild sex with hot young girls, also GF and wife never lived up to expectations. Never had the experience and training to select a woman compatible. After escape from the wife from hell, comes the desire to find out what hot young sexy girls were like. Cravings for intimacy, even if illusion, previously so lacking for years. Then becomes a bad habit / hobby but fun.When I was young I had my fill. All my GFs and lovers (from when I was 15 on) were all good looking, well built, skilled, and most were hornier than me. So for me Asia is all about variety. I never had a craving for intimacy, just sex. Intimacy kind of ruins it for me.
Ha Ha. Very good. I don't see why it doesn't work from the age of 30. That would be 30 YO with 22 YO girl. Somewhat okay If girl is not a silly type, remembering that the guy may be immature at 30. LOL.
At 36, I was indeed interested in 25 YO girls approx.
We could say from age 22, since that gives an 18 YO girl.Guess it could work from 30!
I always thought Asian girls do dress sexy or, let's say, more revealing clothes.
Mini skiers, short pants, nice make up, well kept finger nails, sexy shoes, high heels. A pleasure for the eyes.
I always joke that on BTS at 7 pm it is sometime difficult to discriminate an office girl going back home from a bar girl going to her "office".Mini skirts?
In the modern day, I see that Asian girls on street, I can't be sure if Thai or not, are wearing much more figure revealing stuff than 25 years ago. Ass hugging tights showing ass shape very clearly, tops showing significant cleavage etc. Years ago normal girls felt too exposed to have bare shoulders.
Can't comment on Goat's Uni girls' changes. I thought they would be wearing a Uniform. I don't know if currently it is mostly very tight or loose.
Mini skirts?
In the modern day, I see that Asian girls on street, I can't be sure if Thai or not, are wearing much more figure revealing stuff than 25 years ago. Ass hugging tights showing ass shape very clearly, tops showing significant cleavage etc. Years ago normal girls felt too exposed to have bare shoulders.
Can't comment on Goat's Uni girls' changes. I thought they would be wearing a Uniform. I don't know if currently it is mostly very tight or loose.They always wear uniforms. Used to be tight and sexy like in your second pic. Now not so much.
Pinaypounder
12-27-16, 14:27
Is anyone getting laid by Tinder girls besides the obvious hookers and ladyboys?
So far I am meeting fat chicks, bad pics and wasting allot of baht!
Any counsel? Missing the Philippines that's for sure.
PP.
Asian Rain
12-27-16, 15:11
Guys, the ladies from the cart bars work down this alley now. The bars are small and line either side of this alley. At night there are a few ladies sitting in the front. Ignore them and walk down and you will see about 6 bars, 3 on each side. Each bar will have just one small area. They are not actual cart bars anymore. Physical small bars. I found out about the new location from the ladies at one of the cart bars I kept in touch with.Thanks for clarifying. It makes a quite a difference to hear that the cart bar girls have relocated without their characteristic carts. I have walked the alleyways running parallel to the left and the right of the maroon bar (to the left of Lek massage shop) in the pic. As best as I can see, the beer bars or pool bars that may have absorbed the cart bar girls do not have any of the nomenclature of the former cart bars. I didn't see any bars named as "P Bunnies Bar" or "Easy Bar", so unless you know the cart bar staff by sight, you will be just looking at what is available in Queen's Plaza. Having done a couple rounds, I did not see my favorite cart bar girl (who had disappeared up country just after the king's death and has been unresponsive on LINE), so I decided to call it a night. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.
Sorry, not in the US, to my knowledge. Then again, I have been only mongering for close to 20 years, and I have been in many parts of the world. GFE reads as Girl Friend Experience, no BBFS is implied there.You're right about the USA. But, imo, not in other destinations such as around Asia (Thailand and the Philippines, in particular) and parts of Latin America. Bear in mind, I have admitted and fully recognize that the term "GFE" can easily have a dozen different definitions for a dozen different punters. And it is a moving target, evolving over time and place.
In the USA, a hooker in New York or Las Vegas that offers a "Girl Friend Experience" is referring to the candlelight dinner and theater stuff. Might not even include sex at all. Just a paid companion for the evening who makes it appear as if you are on a date. And if there is sex, you could still have had a USA-style P4P GFE with her even though she requires you to wear a condom.
But some of us who have been mongering for 40+ years might remember a time in the pre-HIV / AIDS hysteria era when so-called Sex Tours from the USA touted their trips for introducing you to (impoverished) young ladies in Asia or Latin America with whom you could have a "Girlfriend Experience" and nobody took that to mean candlelight dinners and third row center seats at the theater. Everyone knew it meant the kind of bareback sex you expect to have with a real girlfriend and, not coincidentally, much "better" than what those high end prosties and escorts in New York and Las Vegas meant by it and were offering.
In fact, when the anti-HIV / AIDS crusaders targeted those Sex Tours in the 80's and 90's, they turned the concept around on those tourists and used the term "Girlfriend Experience" as a cudgel to beat up on men who went to those destinations in order to have bareback sex with those impoverished girls; stuff like, "How dare you include the word "Girlfriend" for what you intend to do to those poor girls, spreading dreaded disease and certain death to them that way. You wouldn't do that with a "Girlfriend" in your own country, would you?!" Doesn't anybody over the age of 50 remember that? The term, which anyone following those crusader attacks on the tours would have known meant bareback sex, was so demonized it could no longer be used in the post-HIV / AIDS era. I suspect that is when "Full Service" or whatever took over. Just hinting at the word "girlfriend" as a style of sex one might have on his tour would bring down the wrath of those who were insisting bareback sex was over for our lifetimes.
Additionally, unlike in the USA, for the Western punter here in Thailand (as well as other Asian destinations) and quite unlike the way it is with high end prostitutes and escorts of New York or Las Vegas, nearly ALL of the P4 P experiences are already GFE, are set up to be that way as standard operating procedure and so one needs to identify what is "special" about a GFE touted as an "extra" feature beyond the standard operating procedure.
Think about it. Unless we're talking about something rare like a trip to a brothel with Chinatown-style cribs or perhaps some soapies or massage shops where the girl cannot be barfined out or the assembly line mechanics are such that there is no opportunity to relax, have a drink, chat and get to know each other first, the vast majority of P4 P encounters here in Thailand would immediately be identified as a GFE in the USA whether a condom is required or not; You meet a girl in a bar (the way many meet their girlfriends), chat a bit (GFE), have a few drinks together (GFE), chat about how things are going at the office or whatever (GFE), before the night is over you will likely have exchanged Line numbers (GFE), shared photos of family and friends on it (GFE), you will know the names and ages of her kids and when her birthday is (GFE), she changes into her street clothes to leave with you (GFE), you walk out together hand in hand and for all the world appear to be boyfriend and girlfriend (GFE), you might even stop somewhere else to have more drinks and chat (GFE), perhaps meet up with another couple for a "double date" (GFE), even stop for a meal (GFE). Practically the whole thing is already a GFE as described by some here (as having nothing to do with BBFS).
However, at one critical moment later in the evening the girl is going to define the night for you. She is going to let you know whether this evening has actually been something MORE than standard operating procedure for the barfine style of P4 P Thailand is famous for (which would certainly appear to be a GFE to any prostitute in New York City) or whether this night has been the real GFE you might have thought it was. If later that night she turns to you and says, "Do you have condom? Sorry, honey. No condom, no sex!", then guess what? You have NOT been engaged in any step up GFE feature beyond S.O.P. unless that is how your girlfriends have dealt with you all your life, in which case I sympathize. You should have looked for better girlfriends. No, you have only been engaged in a Standard Operating Procedure Thai P4 P experience. IMO, it is the condom or no condom factor that makes it either S. O. P for Thai P4 P or a step up GFE.
Again, as long as it is a moving target and there seems to be as many definitions for GFE depending on environment and destination as there are punters, that is where I mark the difference between standard Thai-style P4 P experience and a GFE close enough to what happens between a man and his girlfriend to even mention it as something "extra".
Thai Uni gals used to wear very tight short skirts and tight tops to show off what little they might have up top. Now they are all wearing longer, looser, and less revealing ones. I would say office dress has become far more conservative as well. Far fewer short tight skirts these days. Thailand is regressing when it comes to women feeling free to express themselves sexually. And the women are going right along with this trend.I am not referring to office or school uniforms, of course. These always existed and will always exist in a way.
Guys, the ladies from the cart bars work down this alley now. The bars are small and line either side of this alley. At night there are a few ladies sitting in the front. Ignore them and walk down and you will see about 6 bars, 3 on each side. Each bar will have just one small area. They are not actual cart bars anymore. Physical small bars. I found out about the new location from the ladies at one of the cart bars I kept in touch with.That is Queen Park Plaza, some 200 meters into soi 22 from sukhumvit.
Is anyone getting laid by Tinder girls besides the obvious hookers and ladyboys?
So far I am meeting fat chicks, bad pics and wasting allot of baht!
Any counsel? Missing the Philippines that's for sure.
PP.LOL. I signed up for Tinder a couple of weeks ago on the recommendation of a guy who has done quite well on it here in Bangkok. After three days of "right swiping" girls' pics, which means I am interested, I got exactly one reply from a ladyboy I didn't realize was a ladyboy when I "right swiped" his pic. Not one real girl in three days, for within a 20 mi. radius of my location in the heart of Bangkok as indicated on my GPS. And only 1 ladyboy! LOL.
I cancelled my account and uninstalled the app on the fourth day. Since it required my GPS to be on so much for those supposedly interested parties to find me and I was wasting a lot of time "right swiping" girls' pics for no apparent reason, the only thing it did for me was eat up my phone battery.
Crocodilexp
12-27-16, 16:20
Is anyone getting laid by Tinder girls besides the obvious hookers and ladyboys?
So far I am meeting fat chicks, bad pics and wasting allot of baht!
Any counsel? Missing the Philippines that's for sure.
It's not hard to get laid on Tinder in Bangkok, though inefficient. It involves time investment and uncertainty which make the PFP venues a much better deal, unless you actually enjoy the process.
Post a good pic of yourself, it matters (plenty of advice online on that). Thais on Tinder have plenty of choice, and can get picky. An fairly average looking girl showed me her list, 100+ matches on there. You do have to be patient, cast your net wide and have something going for you (if not money to hookers, then being attractive or a potential relationship to regular girls). A fair number of girls there do one-night-stands, even if they say otherwise on their profile.
Must be easier with Filipinas, since all that most of them require is a white face, and there are far fewer white guys available in PI.
Spent close to 2 days in BKK.
Landed at 2 AM Sunday morning after a long flight. Visa took about 2 hours.
By the time I got to Ambassador hotel it was 4. 30 AM. On the way to the hotel, saw some hookers near Metro Makasan hotel.
I got out on the street (Soi 11), hardly any girls, even climax had closed. Maybe 1-2 ladyboys near the parking lot.
My plan of picking up some one from the club had failed. Obviously!
I was too tired to check out Thermae, Nana lot. Combination of jet lag and lack of sleep is unforgiving.
Switched to plan B- Installed we chat and found one for 1000 baht outcall. Turned out she was fatter than her wechat pic.
Sent her back after a BBJ, which wasn't bad.
Next day around 3 pm went to Angel massage, lot of cutes. Picked up this slim girl called see for 2100 baht, 90 minutes.
I was expecting 2 shots, but turns out 500 extra for that. After massage, she got on top and finished. It was my first time with girl on top, I didn't feel the release like I usually do.
Got back, slept and went to Soi cowboy around 10 pm.
Go go bars are a must if its your first time in BKK like mine. Lots of pretty girls, even the female tourists were good looking. Did I mention there was Santa going around giving gifts.
One girl pulled me into Cowboy 2. She kept saying take me take me, I am good. She was hardly 4/10.
Got myself a beer. Pretty soon I was joined by an older dancer. The first one wasn't a dancer, just a crowd puller I guess.
The dancer was older. I was still jet lagged, all I wanted was sit there and watch the girls on the stage. My eyes met with a girl on stage and in a couple minutes she was sitting next to me!
No idea how that happened.
I ended up buying shots for these 2 girls. Now they are both trying to get me in the mood. Dancer#2 was cute, but I didn't ask her price. I was afraid it might be 3 k plus barfine.
They wanted a second round, I said later and they ended up going to another table.
I moved on to Rio. There were cute girls in bikini, had to try it. Once inside, it was empty.
Nothing to note here, got a drink, girl wants a shot and wanted another one. Pushy type. Ended up leaving early.
My plan for the night was a quickie around midnight and pick up some one for the rest of the night.
I hit the climax club around 12. Entrance is 220 baht (includes one beer). Saw a few girls. Older one wanted 2 k for ST, slightly cuter wanted 3 k. Neither of them would budge.
Saw a bubbly, cute one in red dress with boobies. This one wanted 3 k for all night. Negotiated for 3 shots and picked her up.
Once the dress came off, she went from 7/10 to 4/10. This is what booze does to you. I also blame the push up bra.
Anyway, she had a pot belly. That was kinda turn off. Started off with BBJ. It was clear she wasn't a pro.
We got out to get some street food around 2.30 am. By 3 am, there were many girls on the street, 1 or 2 cutes for sure.
I think 2-4 am is a good pick up time.
Woke up early next day around 6.30 am. The FL was still sleeping.
After shower etc, I woke her up at 8. Tried fucking, didn't really work (did I mention she had a pot belly).
Tried to check out some tourist attractions and decided to goto Emerald temple. Big mistake!
The weather was absolutely horrible. Sunny, hot and humid.
Getting back to hotel was a huge pain. Waited for uber for 30 minutes, canceled and got a regular cab. Got an old driver. Didn't understand a word of English.
Had to use translation app on phone. Still ended up taking longer route (19 km instead of 11 km). I had about 30 minutes to pack up and check out.
Went to Annies at 3. The line up was hardly 10-12 girls. None were hot.
Picked one that looks Japanese. She said she's not, but she definitely looks like one.
Once she took off her dress, the stretch marks and a little belly became visible. Turn off!
From neck down to waist, her body looked like a bell with tiny boobs.
The session was completely mechanical. She complained and made faces when I slapped her butt.
It wasn't a hard slap or anything, just a playful one.
Ended up getting a HJ. No more Annies. Never. Selection is not good enough. Service sucked.
Off to airport I went.
The big mistake I made was picking a girl based on her dress.
Apologies for the long report.
Any suggestions for next BKK trip?
The big mistake I made was picking a girl based on her dress.
Apologies for the long report.
Any suggestions for next BKK trip?Every newbie has the right to a few mistakes, but still have some fun.
The suggestions are obvious enough:
1. You are obviously budget conscious so you need to avoid expensive places like Cowboy 2, Rio, etc. , the later being one of the "Arab's" bars to be avoided.
2. Its good that you seem relaxed and prepared to make a few errors or mistakes.
3. You got pulled into a place by a girl 4/10. This was just the first indicator that you are not in control, and the girls are controlling you. So the big tip for next time is that you must be in charge and make rational decisions.
4. Consider a girl's looks for a significant time before choosing. Forget the outfit. In fact I go to nudie bars a lot and choose girls where I can see the figure. Billboard (in Nana) is not a Nudie bar but is a bar where you can see girls with really good bodies. In cowboy try Suzie Wong and Doll House.
5. Why not apply for VISA in your home country to avoid wasting time at the airport. You are short of time, so use it well.
6. 3 pm may be too early for Annies to have any reasonable girl, given the best girl may already be busy. I don't say "never again", just because I picked the wrong girl. I accept my mistake. However there are lots of "never again" guys on the forum. If I consistently don't pick any girl from a place, or the pressure is too high, then I may not bother going for a look any more. That is my simple approach. "none were hot". So why not just leave and look somewhere else? That is what I do. Have a list of places that you know where are located so you are not forced to choose below par. You could have looked in Darling, as an example.
7. You can make paragraphs with ISG reports, unlike my numbered points.
8. 2 days in BKK is probably not enough unless you are moving on Pattaya, or have no valid excuses to tell the wife.
9. If girls are too pushy, send them away. Buy a drink only for a girl that really appeals to you, unless you are just doing charity stuff and plenty of money. You can sit in a bar for quite some time with just your own drink till you decide which girl you like. See point 3.
10. So do a bit more reading from this forum about places more popular, and learn from the experiences of very experienced mongers. Yes I know that everyone needs to make their own mistakes to really learn. However even experienced guys want to learn something from this forum, particularly places possibly worth having a look at is my main thing.
11. You did not choose a pornstar oriented Massage Place. It is worthwhile getting that experience.
It's not hard to get laid on Tinder in Bangkok, though inefficient. It involves time investment and uncertainty which make the PFP venues a much better deal, unless you actually enjoy the process.
Good comment. Sometimes we need a time efficient process, sometimes we need a pornstar, sometimes we need to spend the lowest money, sometimes we need a known reliable performer with no risk. We Chat or Tinder addresses which aim? Cheapest? Or is it that the girls might be part time hookers or amateurs, or?
It is worth investing time to find a very special girl, right? Is this very likely or are guys looking for just one time fucks?
I am just curious as have not used online to find girls, preferring to see the girl in the flesh first and talk "not in writing" first.
I am not referring to office or school uniforms, of course. These always existed and will always exist in a way.I would say that your average office gal is dressing far more conservative than she was 3 years ago. Also there has been a huge change in nightlife for Thais. Far fewer out drinking and partying these days. Many areas that were booming a few years ago are almost dead. The only places that seem to be doing ok are the night markets like the Rachada Train Market. Probably due to the fact that drinks are cheap there.
Good comment. Sometimes we need a time efficient process, sometimes we need a pornstar, sometimes we need to spend the lowest money, sometimes we need a known reliable performer with no risk. We Chat or Tinder addresses which aim? Cheapest? Or is it that the girls might be part time hookers or amateurs, or?
It is worth investing time to find a very special girl, right? Is this very likely or are guys looking for just one time fucks?
I am just curious as have not used online to find girls, preferring to see the girl in the flesh first and talk "not in writing" first.Although I did not have success with Tinder, I have had success with ThaiCupid. Maybe I didn't have the patience with Tinder, giving up on it after three days of zero usable response. Strange to consider patience was lacking since I thought Tinder was supposed to be a more quick booty-call type of social contact app. lol. Oh well.
By contrast, I have often been able to find myself in bed with a ThaiCupid girl after a first meeting for coffee the first day I responded to their "So-and-so is interested in you!" notice. Some are openly P4 P, many are not, some are not acceptable because of age and looks, many would fit right in as competition to the better looking girls working Sukhumvit, in front of the Nana parking lot or shuffling about on a go-go bar stage. I wouldn't say any were superstars so far. But the conditions of meeting a non direct P4 P Thai girl and bedding her down on the first date (or sooner) is still pretty heady and sexually exciting.
I have encountered some of the best feeling vaginas and experienced some of the best full and complete blowjobs among the girls I have met on ThaiCupid in the several years I have lived in Thailand. And I cruise the bars for new experiences a couple of times every week, frequented all the most famous blowjob bars of Bangkok. The go-go girls might have an edge in the looks department. But the overall sexual experience in terms of actual tactile feelings and, surprisingly, blowjob skills and commitment to finishing it well, have been better with the regular, non pro or early P4 P-curious girls I have met on the dating sites. And they are still 20's / early 30's girls who keep themselves fit with beautifully natural Thai female bodies, no big ugly tattoos and that kind of thing.
I used to put in more work with the dating sites and they can certainly pull you into a pointless, seemingly never ending penpal situation. But no more. Now I don't allow much time pass before I put it to them; if you are looking for a penpal, I am not your guy. My profile says I am interested in Romance / Dating, romance begins with in-person kissing and cuddling. Which leads to the main event. I point that out to any girl who seems to only be into having 20 guys wishing her a Good Morning every day and get them either weeded out or turned around to my profile preference pretty quickly.
And they are still 20's / early 30's girls who keep themselves fit with beautifully natural Thai female bodies, no big ugly tattoos and that kind of thing.
Are you saying that this avenue largely avoids surgeries girls? However just standing on the BTS train, I see large amounts of surgeries in even the non P4 P girls, mostly noses, but also a lot of tit jobs. Are there many girls with zero tattoos and don't smoke and no baby damage?
I assume really hot girls do not need these online ways too much, unless they are P4 P, as could get a man for very easily? Perhaps I am wrong if they want to meet Farangs and are normally in the wrong location for it.
I would say that your average office gal is dressing far more conservative than she was 3 years ago. What would cause change in such a short time span of only 3 years? Just current dress fashion? I doubt provocative girls suddenly went conservative.
Are you saying that this avenue largely avoids surgeries girls? However just standing on the BTS train, I see large amounts of surgeries in even the non P4 P girls, mostly noses, but also a lot of tit jobs. Are there many girls with zero tattoos and don't smoke and no baby damage?
I assume really hot girls do not need these online ways too much, unless they are P4 P, as could get a man for very easily? Perhaps I am wrong if they want to meet Farangs and are normally in the wrong location for it.In dozens of girls I've seen and felt naked from the online dating site, I can only say one for sure had breast enhancement and it was noticeable when fondled. She was not secretive about it. I didn't ask before we met but she might have told me the truth if I had. Coincidentally, I just met with her for lunch yesterday! Hadn't seen her in several months. Still looks good.
As far as nose jobs, I can't say I have seen tell-tale signs of a nose job on the girls I've been with, although I am no way as focused and detail oriented (forgive the pun) about it as you are. Tattoos and smoking habit are things you can screen out matches for on ThaiCupid. And if one gets through, their profile has a check list for them to say what kind of "body art" they have, if any, smoker or not, glasses or not, the kind of thing they might not show in their pics. I have not had what I would consider deal killer baby damage. In fact, I don't recall seeing much if any baby damage among the girls I've met and most of them have had babies.
"really hot girls". Hmm. Well, I don't think I would recommend ThaiCupid for middle aged dudes like some of us to hook up with really hot girls. Except for the ones that are hardcore P4 P girls using the site as their own un-rated smooci, I suppose. Not saying it can't be done. But the really hot girls are almost certainly going to put a 20-35 year age range in their "what I am looking for" profile. Apparently, I can pass for late 40's under most circumstances. But I can't swing 35 very often. LOL.
The typical girl seems to be in her late 20's / early 30's, has at least one kid, is a bit more adventurous and outgoing than most innocent Thai girls, probably sees herself as having missed out on the best window of opportunity to capitalize on her good looks at a younger age in the big money P4 P game or the search for a wealthy young falang, was frankly too shy to even dip her toe in it before, but now feels she could interest a pleasant and intriguing falang with more money than any of the Thai boys she's met and none of which are interested in her now with that kid anyway. They are by and large products of somewhat middle class Thai families, never having suffered the grinding poverty in the formative years that we are generally encountering with the go-go bar girls, massage shop girls and FLs around. That, I believe, is a factor in how much "healthier", more wholesome and fit, smooth-skinned and well-proportioned some of them are compared to their typical P4 P counterparts.
These are girl-next-door types, not "really hot girls" in the fashion model or sexpot sense. But, for those of us who grew up in the Hugh Hefner Playboy Magazine era, Hef celebrated the sexual attraction of "the-girl-next-door" rather than the fashion model type. We find beauty and sexual attraction in that kind of girl where you seem not to be interested in it at all, even puzzled by what on earth other guys could see in a girl less than a triple head-turning beauty, right? Well, blame Hugh Hefner and the Playboy era in which we grew up for that. LOL.
By the end of this week, I will have been with three of the girls I met on ThaiCupid. Been with two of them already this week and will see a third one either tomorrow or Friday. I have been with each of them before and know they are sweet, fit, smooth-skinned, clean, no tatoos or piercing, beautifully natural Thai girl-next-door types with lovely faces, wonderful vaginas and give damn good blowjobs. And, BTW, each of them knows I am not exclusive to her and hound-dog around constantly. As is normal for expat falang and single mom or student relations involving sex, I do subsidize their rent, tuition, and / or kid's video game habit. But it still isn't as expensive as when I go out and pick up a new go-go girl. Just keep the emergency money requirements to a minimum or it can easily become more expensive. When I get a couple of those "lost my phone"/"my baby is sick" type requests for significantly more money, I'm done and will rarely respond to their Line messages anymore.
What would cause change in such a short time span of only 3 years? Just current dress fashion? I doubt provocative girls suddenly went conservative.Trends here change very fast and the pressure from peers is far more than you would see in the West. Since the coup "virtue" has been extolled by many groups here. It has had a tremendous effect.
Franciscass
12-28-16, 07:40
New wave formerly on Soi 7 has reopened on Soi7/1 where Bangkok Beat was located. Not as authentic as the old shop but 5 new pool tables and potentially a competitor for Oscars or Gullivers for FL'S although not as upmarket as the former and a lot smaller than the latter. Incidentally Susie the manageress usually well informed mentioned that the beer garden on 7 is due to close in a couple of weeks.
Ethan Hunt123
12-28-16, 15:56
In my past couple of trips to LOS. I have stuck to Soi Cowboy and PSE oilies. This time I wanted to try something different. Especially after I didn't like the lineup at Billboard & Twisters at NEP. So I headed to Thermae. As soon as I entered. Was ushered to the bar by a waiter. Once you buy the first drink. The waiters leave you alone and I liked that compared to the pushy mamasan's at go-go bars. Lineup was full with more than 40 ladies and less than 20 punters. To be honest. I found it to be a little funny. Just walking around the room "examining the goods". A few of the ladies try to approach you but mostly they just stand / sit and wait for you to make the approach. After nursing my beer for close to 30 minutes and circling the room 2-3 times. I picked up a lady. She was dressed quite demurely but could make out she had a killer body. We fixed up LT for 4 k baht.
In the hotel. Once the dress came off I wasnt surprised. She had a pretty slim body with wonderful be cup natural tits. Service was pretty OK. No DFK though which was a bummer. Got 2 shots before we slept and then 1 in the morning before she left. She made up a story that she works a full time job and this is just part-time, but I didn't believe it.
All in all a good experience. Would definitely hit Thermae again in my next trip.
Trends here change very fast and the pressure from peers is far more than you would see in the West. Since the coup "virtue" has been extolled by many groups here. It has had a tremendous effect.You know, Goatscrot, at some point in the past 2-3 years my impression has also been the the girls were less sexy looking to me for some reason. I honestly thought it was due to my having been here for several years now and I had become jaded. But, no, now that you mention it, I can see that there has been a noticeable decline in the number of short tight mini-skirts I used to see on the university girls and the office girls. Associating it with the coup kind of makes sense to me too. Good call.
Asian Rain
12-28-16, 18:22
New wave formerly on Soi 7 has reopened on Soi7/1 where Bangkok Beat was located. Not as authentic as the old shop but 5 new pool tables and potentially a competitor for Oscars or Gullivers for FL'S although not as upmarket as the former and a lot smaller than the latter. Incidentally Susie the manageress usually well informed mentioned that the beer garden on 7 is due to close in a couple of weeks.Passed by New Wave tonight. Well lit. Clear glass windows. Inside there were fewer customers than pool tables. All customers were playing pool or drinking alone. Didn't see any FLs or females that were not wait staff, so did not recognize any relationship to the clientele or business model of the former Bangkok Beat. Will see what develops, but didn't see anything on first impression to tout from a mongering point of view. In fact, it looked like the tamest establishment on the Little Soi of Sin.
As for Beer Garden on Soi 7, whilst its closure would mark the ending of yet another Sukhimvit mongering landmark, I can't help but think of it as a mercy killing. The last two times I made the stroll, there was not a lady there under 30 yo. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.
As for Beer Garden on Soi 7, whilst its closure would mark the ending of yet another Sukhimvit mongering landmark, I can't help but think of it as a mercy killing. The last two times I made the stroll, there was not a lady there under 30 yo. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.My problem with Beer Garden on Soi 7 wasn't so much the lady's ages but that I never found a woman in there committed to being very good at their supposed job. Of the 20+ women over the past few years who either plopped next to me to make her pitch or, on rare occasion, I sauntered over to chat with by my choice, only 3 said yes, they would finish a proper blowjob with a proper CIM finish. And all three of them lied, pulled the ol' cum dodge head turn at the critical moment. LOL. Their otherwise bedroom skills were, to be kind, generally atrocious.
Oh, and I hated what those giant wind-tunnel fans did to my hair. LOL. Hopefully, whoever takes over in whatever business will have the decency to pop for a little aircon unit.
In my past couple of trips to LOS. I have stuck to Soi Cowboy and PSE oilies. This time I wanted to try something different. Especially after I didn't like the lineup at Billboard & Twisters at NEP. So I headed to Thermae. As soon as I entered. Was ushered to the bar by a waiter. Once you buy the first drink. The waiters leave you alone and I liked that compared to the pushy mamasan's at go-go bars. Lineup was full with more than 40 ladies and less than 20 punters. To be honest. I found it to be a little funny. Just walking around the room "examining the goods". A few of the ladies try to approach you but mostly they just stand / sit and wait for you to make the approach. After nursing my beer for close to 30 minutes and circling the room 2-3 times. I picked up a lady. She was dressed quite demurely but could make out she had a killer body. We fixed up LT for 4 k baht.
In the hotel. Once the dress came off I wasnt surprised. She had a pretty slim body with wonderful be cup natural tits. Service was pretty OK. No DFK though which was a bummer. Got 2 shots before we slept and then 1 in the morning before she left. She made up a story that she works a full time job and this is just part-time, but I didn't believe it.
All in all a good experience. Would definitely hit Thermae again in my next trip.Was in Thermae last night. Was my regular haunt 3 to 4 times a week between 99 and 07. When I enter Khun Somchai still comes up, greets me, and remembers what I drink, even thought I only venture in there about twice or three times a year these days. While there are some lookers, albeit most with lots of surgeries, there are lots of mediocre gals in there as well, and frankly I just find it depressing. It is Asian style, not Farang style. Pre-02 you rarely saw Asian guys in there. By 07 they were quite the force. It used to be a lot of fun, I mean a lot of fun. Gals drinking, dancing, grabbing your unit as they walked by, and propositioning you. Now the punter is at the disadvantage as he has to do all the work. Also most of the really good looking gals are Asian only. In fact, I had quite a few gals look away from me as I walked by. Really, I don't need to be dissed by P4 P gals. Also the prices are a bit steep IMHO.
Bangalore 55
12-29-16, 02:14
Hello gents,
Has anyone had their drinks spiked at Nana? I had a weird experience last night. I walked into Nana completely sober about 10 pm. I first went to spankys and had one drink. The girls were not to my liking and it was too crowded so I left. Took a stroll around the 2nd floor and walked into another bar on the opposite end of spankys, do not remember the name now. I got another drink and a cute girl came and sat with me. I bought her a lady drink and then made thr mistake of leaving my drink at the table and going to the gents. I got back had a few more sips of my drink and was chatting to the girls when I started feeling strange. By this time the girls and the mamasan were pushing me to bar fine her. I lnew something was wrong because this was my 2nd drink only and I never felt like this before (sweating, giddy, blurred vision) I quickly paid my tab walked out and got a cab back tot he hotel. I kind of passed out in the cab but made it back yo my room safe. Went to bed. Woke up about 3 am to get a drink of water while standing at the table in my room I seem to have passed out compeltely. Got concious about an HR later found my self passed out on the floor of my room with a gash on my cheek where I hit the table when I passed out.
I still have no idea how or what happened to me. I can only guess something was put in my drink when I went to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). I have been drinking and mongering in strip bars, fkks and even nana many times and never felt like this before.
took a stroll around the 2nd floor and walked into another bar on the opposite end of spankysIsn't that a lady boy bar?
Hello gents,
Has anyone had their drinks spiked at Nana? I had a weird experience last night. I walked into Nana completely sober about 10 pm. I first went to spankys and had one drink. The girls were not to my liking and it was too crowded so I left. Took a stroll around the 2nd floor and walked into another bar on the opposite end of spankys, do not remember the name now. I got another drink and a cute girl came and sat with me. I bought her a lady drink and then made thr mistake of leaving my drink at the table and going to the gents. I got back had a few more sips of my drink and was chatting to the girls when I started feeling strange. By this time the girls and the mamasan were pushing me to bar fine her. I lnew something was wrong because this was my 2nd drink only and I never felt like this before (sweating, giddy, blurred vision) I quickly paid my tab walked out and got a cab back tot he hotel. I kind of passed out in the cab but made it back yo my room safe. Went to bed. Woke up about 3 am to get a drink of water while standing at the table in my room I seem to have passed out compeltely. Got concious about an HR later found my self passed out on the floor of my room with a gash on my cheek where I hit the table when I passed out.
I still have no idea how or what happened to me. I can only guess something was put in my drink when I went to peepee. I have been drinking and mongering in strip bars, fkks and even nana many times and never felt like this before.If you took a stroll all the way around the 2nd floor and went into a bar along the main 2nd floor landing opposite Spanky's, I'm guessing that is a bar now called, I think, Diamonds. I believe it would be the first bar you come to if you make a hair-pin left turn at the top of the escalator, essentially at that corner on the walkway. Not a ladyboy bar although there might be some sprinkled in. I have been there a few times, never had a problem but also never left my drink unattended by me.
But if you just strolled down to the end of that landing on the same side as Spanky's, then that is definitely a ladyboy bar, but I don't know the name of it.
What you described is very serious. Have you seen a doctor to get a blood check? You should. But by now, if there was any substance added to your drink there is likely little trace of it left in your system. Then again, a medical check might turn up something else you should know about sooner rather than later.
As for Beer Garden on Soi 7, whilst its closure would mark the ending of yet another Sukhimvit mongering landmark, I can't help but think of it as a mercy killing. The last two times I made the stroll, there was not a lady there under 30 yo. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.I rarely see a good girl in there anymore. I normally walk in, make a circle around the place, and walk out. But recently I got lucky and there was a hard bodied young stunner in there. I walked up to her two seconds after I saw her and asked her to go to my hotel. She was awesome! She gave a great, enthusiast BJ including rimming and we shagged for almost an hour solid in multiple positions. I don't normally find girls like that in Beirgarten, but like anywhere, you can find a gem on occasion. I do agree though that it has gone drastically downhill over the years. The next three times I went in there, I did a walk around and straight out the door again.
Isn't that a lady boy bar?Last I checked, bars opposite Spankies, there was Candyland 2 (formerly Hot Lips) and Temptations I think, the later seemed to be a LB bar, based on LBs sitting outside. However these bars change names so often these days, its impossible to keep track. I have been in Mercury recently just at the end next to Mandarin.
Candyland 2 (Hot Lips) used to be a pretty honest sort of bar but I have not been in since my favorite girls left there some time ago. Candyland at the right side back corner (was very badly decorated) was closed (staff possibly moved to Candyland 2) and is now Rainbow 5. Next to that is Twisters (was Rainbow 4). Its all very confusing.
Stickboy reported that Candyland 2 was sold to owner of Straps in early 2016. Would be ladyboys arriving after that. Ladyboys are less trustworthy than bargirls overall, generalising. I have met the odd very nice LB.
I just see ET reported Diamonds. I think that may be the new name for Candyland 2 now. A shame to have yet another bar with ladyboys to be avoided. Percentage of Gogo bargirls is declining with growth of Coyotes and LBs. It's all somewhat stuffed, for guys like me wanting nude ladies.
Just found this website: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nana_Plaza
Quote:
"Middle Floor
Straps
Rainbow 3
Chili
Spanky's
Angelwitch
Sexy Night
DC-10
Casanova
Rainbow 5
Twister Bar (formerly Rainbow 4)
Temptations
Diamonds Bangkok
Mandarin Upstairs
Mandarin
Mercury
Balcony Bar"
So I would guess both Temptations and Diamonds are now bars to be avoided due to LBs (and the drink spiking incident). Don't like Mandarin. Mandarin Upstairs is dreary. Mercury very soso (my girls left). Only Billboard and Twisters really interest me at all. RB5 for Baccara fans. Jailbirdz is like Billboard but inferior line up.
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Member #2041
12-29-16, 03:00
As for Beer Garden on Soi 7, whilst its closure would mark the ending of yet another Sukhimvit mongering landmark, I can't help but think of it as a mercy killing. The last two times I made the stroll, there was not a lady there under 30 yo. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.If the closing of the Soy 7 Biergarten is mercy killiing, don't tell Gary Glitter. As he is well known to always be on the lookout for Youth in Asia.
Was in Thermae last night. Was my regular haunt 3 to 4 times a week between 99 and 07. When I enter Khun Somchai still comes up, greets me, and remembers what I drink, even thought I only venture in there about twice or three times a year these days. While there are some lookers, albeit most with lots of surgeries, there are lots of mediocre gals in there as well, and frankly I just find it depressing. It is Asian style, not Farang style. Good summary. I even agree for a change. Not ideal for Farangs used to having fun. Last visit a hot girl was very shy to even tell me she was waiting for some other guy, but did not want to look at me. Seems so easy to me to say "Sorry, I am taken already". She did say it, but after some delay. She already sent a Japanese guy away as well, who was really persistent. A simple "No thanks" could work very quickly.
In my past couple of trips to LOS. I have stuck to Soi Cowboy and PSE oilies. This time I wanted to try something different. Especially after I didn't like the lineup at Billboard & Twisters at NEP. So I headed to Thermae. As soon as I entered. Was ushered to the bar by a waiter. Once you buy the first drink. The waiters leave you alone and I liked that compared to the pushy mamasan's at go-go bars. Lineup was full with more than 40 ladies and less than 20 punters. To be honest. I found it to be a little funny.That is weird. I wonder what day you were there and what time. Very late? Obviously not a peak time.
Bangalore 55
12-29-16, 04:23
Yes diamonds sounds right. I an pretty sure it was not a lb bar. The girl sat with me was definitely a girl. No haven't seen a doctor as I woke up feeling absolutely fine except for the gash on my cheek. Got that treated with aome betadine and warm water wash. I have also out myself on a course of antibiotics just to prevent an infection (always carry a range of medication with me when I travel). But will see a doc if any symptoms return. Yes I think leaving the drink unattended was a cardinal mistake
If you took a stroll all the way around the 2nd floor and went into a bar along the main 2nd floor landing opposite Spanky's, I'm guessing that is a bar now called, I think, Diamonds. I believe it would be the first bar you come to if you make a hair-pin left turn at the top of the escalator, essentially at that corner on the walkway. Not a ladyboy bar although there might be some sprinkled in. I have been there a few times, never had a problem but also never left my drink unattended by me.
But if you just strolled down to the end of that landing on the same side as Spanky's, then that is definitely a ladyboy bar, but I don't know the name of it.
What you described is very serious. Have you seen a doctor to get a blood check? You should. But by now, if there was any substance added to your drink there is likely little trace of it left in your system. Then again, a medical check might turn up something else you should know about sooner rather than later..
I just see ET reported Diamonds. I think that may be the new name for Candyland 2 now. A shame to have yet another bar with ladyboys to be avoided. I'm not really sure Diamonds has ladyboys working in there but thought it possibly might have some. I don't remember ever looking at and identifying one on stage or being approached by one there in about 4 visits over the past 2-3 weeks. But maybe one walked past my seat facing the stage at one point. Don't remember exactly. Otherwise, Diamonds is definitely a real girl go-go dancer's bar with a handful of real lookers, imo. One little lady named May has one of the sweetest, natural, young bodies in the Plaza. A pleasant, well proportioned face, but her body quite appeals to me.
It is best to always get a new fresh drink after leaving one unattended anywhere, whether in a bar or restaurant. I never drink from my unattended drink again. Some times I will put a napkin over it tightly if I am in a dicey place.
I always advise never get drunk to no most guys to no avail.
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