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Ain't that the truth. She could have the face of a bulldog's but and I would not care if the bod was like that.You write girls off due to a few stretch marks on the tummy, but will take a hideous face on a fab body? That seems hard to take at all seriously. I prefer to compromise on a few body weaknesses rather than take a very unappealing face. I can even take saggy tits sometimes, if rest of the package is great. Tits are probably the least important part of a girl (ignoring silly things like feet etc.). Face is the most important, almost.
So my priorities would be: general shape, face, gap, ass, thighs, waist, pussy, legs, tits, in that order. I know other guys put the tits first, but no idea why. I do miss badly a cart bar girl Noi from Easy Bar very young with absolutely amazing natural tits. Just happened she had good slim shaped body and very cute face too. Untrimmed pussy Bush had to be forgiven as she was a newbie willing to learn. Could not seem to contact her after the cart bars got shut down. Must have changed her phone number. Very sad loss Tits were a 10 and overall body probably a 8 to 9, face 8. Fun level 8. What a bad loss. Unfortunately have no picture. That was stupid too. I think tits were a little bigger and higher than FF's Pic. However my girl dressed very conservatively not like FF's trendy girl. Noi dressed so conservatively, that no one in the bar even had a clue that Noi had the most magnificent tits. It was her big secret. She probably did not want to display them at all and show up the other girls with little tits. I chose her for a fuck for being cute and the tits were just an incredible unexpected bonus. Unfortunately she got nabbed in a police raid on the Soi 21 cart bars, I believe.
I woke up this morning thinking junior could use some relief to brighten his day. Why not head down to Kasalong BJ Bar in Nana between Soi 6/8. When I get there the chief BJ artist who is 2 decades past her prime thinks I'm loss because A. Not white. Not 40-80 years old see. Not desperate. She instructs me that I can cut through the outlet to get to Soi 8 which is kitty corner to [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900). I decide to take a peek at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) and there is only one girl there I would consider. I wasn't expecting stunners because it was only 12 noon and last year I visited 12 midnight. After a quick 2 minute evaluation I decide the lineup is teaming with 6.5's at the top of the food chain. Initially the [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) girls were friendlier but soon lost patience since I didn't pick a girl right away. After 10 minutes I narrowed it down to the top 4 girls. I notice one of the girls on the inside didn't make eye contact so I wrote her and another girl off as uninterested. I finally point to myself and another provider and she looks at me and says "No!" So I go back to [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) and ask a darkskin prospect with green contacts if she is a ladyboy and she says "Yes!" I'm not trying to incite fear but this is the Big Mango and I won't be surprised if a rotation / lineup of 12 sprinkle in a ladyboy or two. Last year there was a girl with a throat injury and she claim it was a motorcycle accident. She also had paper cloth in her panty and wouldn't allow me to see her snatch. After that I crossed [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) off my list. Last year the Kasalong girls were friendlier than their counterparts at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900). I think Kasalong has fresher girls and a slightly better lineup and I noticed the older providers sat on the right side outside. I decide to buy a soda and the chief BJ artist says it is 70 baht but cheaper to buy at 7-11. As a bonus the girls talk smack and get snobby in English saying they want a 200 baht tip. The one girl that declined me also mentions one of her clients is watching her. Presumably one of the bald elderly farangs sipping a Chang. I'm thinking pay for play is not for me. I'm not meeting the good girls and I'm meeting girls that try to take advantage of farang. It's surprising the [Deleted by Admin]and sass coming from ladies who are getting paid. Totally unprofessional. The trip wasn't a waste because I got to update the board and see their daytime lineup.
Banana Boi
04-12-17, 16:49
You write girls off due to a few stretch marks on the tummy, but will take a hideous face on a fab body? That seems hard to take at all seriously.Many BODY guys will fuck the ugliest faced girl if the body is good. You and I are FACE guys. I don't care if someone has the best body in the world. If the face isn't to my liking I never look at any other part of the girl.
You write girls off due to a few stretch marks on the tummy, but will take a hideous face on a fab body? That seems hard to take at all seriously. I prefer to compromise on a few body weaknesses rather than take a very unappealing face. I can even take saggy tits sometimes, if rest of the package is great. Tits are probably the least important part of a girl (ignoring silly things like feet etc.). Face is the most important, almost.
So my priorities would be: general shape, face, gap, ass, thighs, waist, pussy, legs, tits, in that order. I know other guys put the tits first, but no idea why. I do miss badly a cart bar girl Noi from Easy Bar very young with absolutely amazing natural tits. Just happened she had good slim shaped body and very cute face too. Untrimmed pussy Bush had to be forgiven as she was a newbie willing to learn. Could not seem to contact her after the cart bars got shut down. Must have changed her phone number. Very sad loss Tits were a 10 and overall body probably a 8 to 9, face 8. Fun level 8. What a bad loss. Unfortunately have no picture. That was stupid too. I think tits were a little bigger and higher than FF's Pic. However my girl dressed very conservatively not like FF's trendy girl. Noi dressed so conservatively, that no one in the bar even had a clue that Noi had the most magnificent tits. It was her big secret. She probably did not want to display them at all and show up the other girls with little tits. I chose her for a fuck for being cute and the tits were just an incredible unexpected bonus. Unfortunately she got nabbed in a police raid on the Soi 21 cart bars, I believe.Body is far more important to me. Hideous face? Don't think I ever used that term. Surely you caught the humor in my post below? Maybe not. But yes, I will make very big compromises on the face if the body is stellar. Face is just not all that important to me. I am the exact opposite of you in this regard. Not a big tit guy either, but again baby damage on the breast is a no go for me. And Nooknik does not have a "few stretch marks. " She has a lot of them. And yes, for the most part, any more than very mild mommy body and I am not interested in the least.
Many BODY guys will fuck the ugliest faced girl if the body is good. You and I are FACE guys. I don't care if someone has the best body in the world. If the face isn't to my liking I never look at any other part of the girl.Yep, and I am the exact opposite. Gal can have the prettiest face on the planet but if she has a body not to my liking, I won't be interested in the least.
Last year the Kasalong girls were friendlier than their counterparts at CodeWord900. I think Kasalong has fresher girls and a slightly better lineup and I noticed the older providers sat on the right side outside. Just a little tip. Certain words are edited out by a stupid piece of software. You can mentions Loli-tas in your post, as long as you don't spell it correctly, and similarly for other shop names or somewhat innocuous words. Remember the software comes from the USA, so a bit puritanical.
I believe the main thing is they don't want bible bashing sex watch dogs to be easily able to do web search for the prohibited code words. Can't see anything wrong with this word Loli-tas since it is the name of the shop and the Thai government or police have not forced them to change the name of it. It's just a girl's name after all.
We all know very well there is absolutely no implication that the girls are a bit young at all. Probably have some old bags.
Finnish Fucker
04-12-17, 18:38
Wow, hot girl. I would not care if the skin was dark or not. Can't see the face but nose looks good.
Go with the flow is far better.I liked her skin colour. What I meant in my previous post was that she looked different and more exotic compared to all those white skinned blue eyed big titted young finnish babes I had fucked before.
Nose was small and natural.
Go with the flow is the best way in mongering. I have had the best times when I have least expected and not overplanned. Not when I have walked proudly into one of the hundred Agogo bars thinking that tonight I will take out the sexiest, bustiest, horniest, foxiest and prettiest Isaan babe that has ever walked the Earth. Those nights I have failed miserably.
I liked her skin colour. What I meant in my previous post was that she looked different and more exotic compared to all those white skinned blue eyed big titted young finnish babes I had fucked before.
Nose was small and natural.
Go with the flow is the best way in mongering. I have had the best times when I have least expected and not overplanned. Not when I have walked proudly into one of the hundred Agogo bars thinking that tonight I will take out the sexiest, bustiest, horniest, foxiest and prettiest Isaan babe that has ever walked the Earth. Those nights I have failed miserably.Thanks more nice shots. I like to go out with a firm plan to just survey, and look around, and not fuck anyone. Can always change my mind.
I got my last fabulous tits girl accidentally. I had no idea she had such great tits till the conservative clothing came off. Great shame I have no pictures. Tried calling her number again today. Went through to "leave my number" service. I sent her an SMS, but there is no answer, so I suspect she does not use that phone number any more after police raided their Cart bar. If I ever meet her again, I promise to get a picture. I probably have to find one of her co-workers that knows someone who will know how to get in contact with her. Won't be easy. Difficult research.
I believe I went with the girl 2 times. 2nd time, got her contact details thinking all would be well for future meetings. Great girls disappear regularly, and sometimes just cannot find a similar replacement. Magnificent tits are all too rare here on slim cute girls.
Your last pic reminds me of taking a photo of a bargirl 25 years ago on my first trip here. She was sleeping with exactly that pose. I decided to sneak a picture of her while she slept. I pulled the panties to one side to expose her crotch and she did not wake up. Nor did she wake up when the flash went off. No idea if she would have allowed the photo. I believe she cost 500 Baht for the night (not including the barfine). Bargirls were extremely cheap in those days. Not too sure at exactly what point the price jumped, since after that I was not doing any bargirls for a number of years, due to having a GF. I did sneak to Soapy massage places now and then but they had very different pricing that escalated much slower over the years.
Finnish Fucker
04-12-17, 19:28
Great shame I have no pictures.
ALWAYS take pictures when you see a great body. That's what I do. And I try to post pics as much as possible to back up my mongering stories. Otherwise they are just hot air.
Finnish Fucker
04-12-17, 19:31
Yep, and I am the exact opposite. Gal can have the prettiest face on the planet but if she has a body not to my liking, I won't be interested in the least.I agree with you here. To find a stunning natural body, that's my challenge in P4P game. If I want to see beautiful faces I'll go for a few beers in a bar or nightclub in Helsinki downtown.
Many BODY guys will fuck the ugliest faced girl if the body is good. You and I are FACE guys. I don't care if someone has the best body in the world. If the face isn't to my liking I never look at any other part of the girl.If I'm deprived & horny enough, I'll fuck almost anything that moves or is dead.
OTOH when I'm extremely spoiled, as after living continuously in LOS or SG for a few weeks or months, I might be ridiculously picky almost to the point that I can't be satisfied with a woman & prefer to wank off alone to porn.
If all a girl has is a hot set of lips and the rest of her face & body is only 5 with 10 being perfect, I've been known to be happy with her. As long as she can give a decent BB BJ.
Ditto if the same girl is a great kisser, or balls ass prostrate body licker.
The seven eleven at the NEP intersection used to have an average looking clerk with hugely large sexy thick lips. I was tempted to ask her over to my hotel next door.
Body is far more important to me. Body is far more important to me when it comes to one night stands. For a long term girlfriend, I want a pretty face and a good body.
ALWAYS take pictures when you see a great body. That's what I do. And I try to post pics as much as possible to back up my mongering stories. Otherwise they are just hot air.Yes. Tough to do for a newbie girl that always shyly kept her tits well covered, however I guess can persuade them if the face is omitted. I once had a face mask for girls to wear when posing for naughty pics. However would have been hard to explain to girlfriend what it was doing in my luggage.
Wolvenvacht
04-13-17, 09:02
Just a little tip. Certain words are edited out by a stupid piece of software. You can mentions Loli-tas in your post, as long as you don't spell it correctly, and similarly for other shop names or somewhat innocuous words. Remember the software comes from the USA, so a bit puritanical.
I believe the main thing is they don't want bible bashing sex watch dogs to be easily able to do web search for the prohibited code words. Can't see anything wrong with this word Loli-tas since it is the name of the shop and the Thai government or police have not forced them to change the name of it. It's just a girl's name after all.
We all know very well there is absolutely no implication that the girls are a bit young at all. Probably have some old bags.The reason some words are banned is the pressure from the credit cards companies who don't want to see their logos or services associated with these banned words, And yes, the credit card companiers don't mind making money out of the websites that are related to these words. Speaking of hypocrisy. . .
Thanks more nice shots. I like to go out with a firm plan to just survey, and look around, and not fuck anyone. Can always change my mind.
I got my last fabulous tits girl accidentally. I had no idea she had such great tits till the conservative clothing came off. Great shame I have no pictures. Tried calling her number again today. Went through to "leave my number" service. I sent her an SMS, but there is no answer, so I suspect she does not use that phone number any more after police raided their Cart bar. If I ever meet her again, I promise to get a picture. I probably have to find one of her co-workers that knows someone who will know how to get in contact with her.I was there when the raid happened, I have the still working Line ID ofg Bew from Easy Bar if you would like. Maybe she knows what happened to your girl.
BroComplex
04-13-17, 10:31
I woke up this morning thinking junior could use some relief to brighten his day. Why not head down to Kasalong BJ Bar in Nana between Soi 6/8. When I get there the chief BJ artist who is 2 decades past her prime thinks I'm loss because A. Not white. Not 40-80 years old see. Not desperate. You don't want to spend too much time picking in a BJ bar or the girls will write you off thinking you are too picky or a time waster. What I do when I go to a BJ bar is walk up, say Hello, and point at the nearest girl. I don't even talk with the girl I just close my eyes and enjoy the service.
Member #4591
04-13-17, 12:59
Thanks at Aviator12, at allover. I had never realized these bars served non alcoholic drinks. In the past it was my favorite way of getting sauced while visiting countries that had girlie bars. I'm not sure how much I'll enjoy myself at these places sober, but I'll certainly give it a try. I enjoy sitting around talking to the girls, not always barfining them. From what I've read BKK with all the foot traffic and tourists, is more of a businesslike approach from the girls who move on to the next customer if they don't sense they will be able to close a deal. Hopefully I'm wrong.
For the past few weeks I've been doing on and off research, my focus has been mostly on the bars but it seems I may need to put more effort into reading up on the alternatives especially since I'm no longer into drinking and loud music. I guess BKK is the wrong country to expect a nice quiet girlie bar where I can sit with a girl or two and not be interrupted by too many drunks stumbling in and out throughout the night?
As far as freelance outside Nana (where I'm planning to stay my first night out of convenience), and around Soi 4, how do they compare to bargirls in terms of quality of service? I've read through some older posts and it seems there is no reason to expect the majority of them to be a lower quality just because they are not employed in the slightly more glamorous (compared to standing on the street) setting of a bar with flashing lights and loud music.One bar that I remember that would fit this description would be The Den on Soi 12. Unforumtaty I haven't heard much about it lately so it may have retired.
WeewillyWinkie
04-13-17, 15:22
One bar that I remember that would fit this description would be The Den on Soi 12. Unforumtaty I haven't heard much about it lately so it may have retired.The den closed last year I believe.
I don't even talk with the girl I just close my eyes and enjoy the service.Its been rumored that they switch out the girls with lady boys for guys who do that.
From what I've read BKK with all the foot traffic and tourists, is more of a businesslike approach from the girls who move on to the next customer if they don't sense they will be able to close a deal. Hopefully I'm wrong.
The girls work in the bar to make money. They do this by selling drinks or getting barfined. If neither of those is at all likely from the customer, the girl will probably move on, except in the unlikely event he is Bard Pitt. LOL Only the sluttiest girls want to get groped for free. In my case I ignore girls that don't interest me, as I want them to move on quickly. The bar makes it's money by selling drinks and collecting Barfines too. So if you are not doing anything, you become a useless customer, trying to get entertainment for free. A waste of space. Certain stereo types can get told it's "members only" as they are assumed to be likely waste of space customers.
If you want the girl to stay with you, she will if you are nice to her, most likely, but that means buying her a drink. If she is super hot, some other customer may already be on the verge of barfining her, so she may go away quickly, if you are dilly dallying. The girl could spot her regular very generous customer enter the bar, and she will make a bee-line for him, or perhaps make some excuse like she needs to go to the toilet. It never shocks me these days, if I don't BF a hot girl, that she may leave me sooner rather than later.
At Crazy House, ex dancer Donut was pretty and sexy. On some occasions I could catch her arm as she entered CH in plain clothes for work at 9:30 PM, and ask to BF her immediately before some other guy swooped. She never even had a chance to get changed and get on the dance floor. She could still get a drink or two to loosen up. This is an extreme case. However I want newbies to understand, it's not a fair system with rules and protocols to protect the unsuspecting customer. You have to get to the best girl first, and be a preferred customer, or take a less popular girl. Alas Donut is gone (back to her studies), and I don't currently see any girl that always gets taken within 10 minutes these days. So the pressure is less. LOL.
Yet, I recommend to take your time and choose girls wisely. Don't let them choose you. There has to be a balance between getting to a hot girl first, and checking for chemistry, and not making a big mistake. Some girls are sweet, others nasty b*s. These days I rarely take girls for sex, the first time I meet them in a bar. Super hot girls can be exceptions. I at least try to get the pretty girl onto my lap quickly.
My regular girls are not business like by any means. Obviously they want drinks, and to joke around, relieve the stress, get tipsy often. Working the bar can be very boring for girls if they don't find customers to have fun with.
Body is far more important to me when it comes to one night stands. For a long term girlfriend, I want a pretty face and a good body.Well stated. My GF of 10 years has a great face and great body. No baby of course. P4 P, it's all about the bod.
Hi friends,
I am planning a 10 day trip in coming 2 months to LOS. Just wanted to know if I can get some nice experience in Krabi. Its beautiful but I don't want to sleep alone Krabi forum is almost dead to seeking help here. If Krabi is just beautiful because of it's nice beaches then I can exclude from my list and plan Pattaya, Phuket nd Bkk only. Please suggest.
ZimmerBaby
04-13-17, 19:51
Hi friends,
I am planning a 10 day trip in coming 2 months to LOS. Just wanted to know if I can get some nice experience in Krabi. Its beautiful but I don't want to sleep alone Krabi forum is almost dead to seeking help here. If Krabi is just beautiful because of it's nice beaches then I can exclude from my list and plan Pattaya, Phuket nd Bkk only. Please suggest.Stay on Phuket, make day trips to Ao Nang / krabi instead.
Hi friends,
I am planning a 10 day trip in coming 2 months to LOS. Just wanted to know if I can get some nice experience in Krabi. Its beautiful but I don't want to sleep alone Krabi forum is almost dead to seeking help here. If Krabi is just beautiful because of it's nice beaches then I can exclude from my list and plan Pattaya, Phuket nd Bkk only. Please suggest.I would suggest making this post in the Krabi section. You have not even tried that yet. The Krabi board is slow because there is not much going on there. But there is some action in Ao Nang. I read elsewhere that Krabi town also has action including a soapy. I've never been to Krabi town personally but Maharaj Road is supposedly the place to go in Krabi town.
Member #4591
04-14-17, 02:53
Hi friends,
I am planning a 10 day trip in coming 2 months to LOS. Just wanted to know if I can get some nice experience in Krabi. Its beautiful but I don't want to sleep alone Krabi forum is almost dead to seeking help here. If Krabi is just beautiful because of it's nice beaches then I can exclude from my list and plan Pattaya, Phuket nd Bkk only. Please suggest.This is a no brainer. Go to Bangkok, Pattaya, or Pukhet for 3 days. Find yourself a lady friend to accompany you to Krabi in that 3 days and then go together. Secondly, before you arrive, get to know a lady on one of the dating websites such as Thai Friendly and invite her. I like the first option better because you can get to know your lady face to face before committing to a week together.
Hi friends,
I am planning a 10 day trip in coming 2 months to LOS. Just wanted to know if I can get some nice experience in Krabi. Its beautiful but I don't want to sleep alone Krabi forum is almost dead to seeking help here. If Krabi is just beautiful because of it's nice beaches then I can exclude from my list and plan Pattaya, Phuket nd Bkk only. Please suggest.Ao Nang Krabi has two areas with bars and girls. Soi RCA and also some snooker bars behind the main beach road. My experience was about 7 to 9 years ago. From there you can go on long tail boat trips to small coral islands, and not that far to Koh Phi Phi too. Yes for nature it is way better than Koh Samui, Phuket, and Pattaya, but a lot less bar girls. Both times I went to Ao Nang, I took my own girl with me. One was a Tulip girl, and we had a fantastic time at both Ao Nang and Phi Phi.
Makes the holiday much better when always have a hot body girl with you to play with you in Hotel swimming pool etc.
https://goo.gl/maps/9e6yPRQUGzM2
I have to admit, I am bored with Koh Samui and Phuket. Don't go there any more. Krabi is very nice. Eat great seafood every night. Yellow curry Crab, etc. Choose a nice Hotel near to beach if possible. Not the absolute cheapest. Flying to Krabi was a lot cheaper than Koh Samui.
Phi Phi Island is much closer to Krabi than to Phuket. So best way to get to Phi Phi is via Krabi.
Don't recommend to stay on Rai-lay beach as it is a bit remotely cut off from other areas and is full of hippie backpackers, and has fresh water limitations. However trips to the stunning Nang Cave beach by long tail boat is a must. Also avoid Krabi in the rainy season. Can pour with rain all day every day. LOL Hopefully you get there sooner rather than rainy season which is probably August (did not check).
I thought Krabi was a really great place to holiday, and yes even has bar girls.
Arn Poddict
04-14-17, 13:15
I love a fuck in the morning myself. However bargirls are unreliable. If you make arrangement for the next day, they likely won't show up, unless very high money offered. Every man who still has some testosterone running in his blood likes a morning fuck. And if you have had a few drinks the night before, even better. Nothing beats a hangover fuck in the morning.
My experience lately in Thailand has been that even the LT booked girls will likely to leave latest at 6. 00 in the morning. Sometimes even earlier. Too early to really enjoy a morning fuck. Even if you offer a lot of money they will most likely have some excuse to leave so early. I don't know if things are better in other Asian countries like in the Philippines or Indonesia in this respect.
I never drink alcohol before sex (almost never).2-3 drinks before fucking is the optimal amount for me to enhance all my senses and boost my cock's performance.
2-3 drinks before fucking is the optimal amount for me to enhance all my senses and boost my cock's performance.A Japanese buddy of mine used to drink quite a bit before going with a girl. He said it improved his performance, because he would take longer to cum. Without the alcohol, would pop far too quick. This is really bad for case of girls giving just one pop. The old saying about how quick Japanese pop, did apply in his case.
In my case, I am low on sensitivity and I take a long time to pop. Any alcohol, could only make that worse. Dulls the feeling a bit. One or two drinks, I can get away with. Any more could cause too much dulling of the feeling. So I fuck first, and drink later. That is much safer.
A certain amount of alcohol for the ladies is good, to dull their inhibitions.
Had a look in a few gogo bars tonight. The good thing was that none of the bars I visited seemed to have large quantities of silicones or nose jobs. The bad thing is it's Songkran. Bar line ups are quite depleted.
In order from best bar / girls to worst.
1. Twisters. Low number of girls compared to normal. Plenty of very good bodies, as far as can see them. Crappy tits can be well hidden by multi-layer bras and padding. Pretty faces a bit limited. Some topless girls. No magnificent tits on display.
2. Crazy House. None of my regular girls present. Line up well down. At least girls are nude, so can see which girls have really good tits. No really pretty faces today, for my spec. For others yes.
Equal third:
3. Lighthouse. Reasonably sizable array of girls over dressed. No pretty faces. Bodies so so.
3. Suzie Wong. Some topless girls. Girls naked for shows. All my old favourites missing. Lots of new girls. No one that special. Bodies soso.
3. Diamonds (Nana). Mediocre array of girls, some topless. Bodies soso.
Twisters and crazy house were a cut above the others as girls had good slim bodies, maybe a just a few had bigger tits. The other bars tended to have more lousy figures, unless you like "voluptuous" girls (I really mean overweight). Even the Coyote girls at Diamonds and Lighthouse were not very special.
It's no coincidence that the 3 lower rated bars were all less full in terms of customers. Probably all 3 bars are struggling. Crazy House was the most full for customers.
Nothing very exciting found. Just a way to waste time and money. Freelancers in Soi 4 were of moderate interest. Thought about taking a deaf girl.
I really hate girls wearing multilayered hard bras, with padding underneath, that push up high the very small amount of tit girls have, and make them look like Ccups when they are really almost nothing and maybe quite saggy as well. This level of covering used to be only prevalent with Coyotes I think, but bars are full of this now. There is a very good reason for choosing topless girls, or after the girl gets tipsy, take her top off in the bar. I don't mind ACups if they look pretty and not saggy. Just don't want surprises.
The next thing I want to do in a bar, before taking the girl, is try to get a bit of a kiss. If she does that nicely, that goes a long way to convince me.
Robert Long
04-15-17, 03:01
Had a look in a few gogo bars tonight. The good thing was that none of the bars I visited seemed to have large quantities of silicones or nose jobs. The bad thing is it's Songkran. Bar line ups are quite depleted.
In order from best bar / girls to worst.
1. Twisters. Low number of girls compared to normal. Plenty of very good bodies, as far as can see them. Crappy tits can be well hidden by multi-layer bras and padding. Pretty faces a bit limited. Some topless girls. No magnificent tits on display.
2. Crazy House. None of my regular girls present. Line up well down. At least girls are nude, so can see which girls have really good tits. No really pretty faces today, for my spec. For others yes.
Equal third:
3. Lighthouse. Reasonably sizable array of girls over dressed. No pretty faces. Bodies so so.
3. Suzie Wong. Some topless girls. Girls naked for shows. All my old favourites missing. Lots of new girls. No one that special. Bodies soso.
3. Diamonds (Nana). Mediocre array of girls, some topless. Bodies soso.
Twisters and crazy house were a cut above the others as girls had good slim bodies, maybe a just a few had bigger tits. The other bars tended to have more lousy figures, unless you like "voluptuous" girls (I really mean overweight). Even the Coyote girls at Diamonds and Lighthouse were not very special.
It's no coincidence that the 3 lower rated bars were all less full in terms of customers. Probably all 3 bars are struggling. Crazy House was the most full for customers.
Nothing very exciting found. Just a way to waste time and money. Freelancers in Soi 4 were of moderate interest. Thought about taking a deaf girl.
I really hate girls wearing multilayered hard bras, with padding underneath, that push up high the very small amount of tit girls have, and make them look like Ccups when they are really almost nothing and maybe quite saggy as well. This level of covering used to be only prevalent with Coyotes I think, but bars are full of this now. There is a very good reason for choosing topless girls, or after the girl gets tipsy, take her top off in the bar. I don't mind ACups if they look pretty and not saggy. Just don't want surprises.
The next thing I want to do in a bar, before taking the girl, is try to get a bit of a kiss. If she does that nicely, that goes a long way to convince me.Did you notice if the ladies were being hired for their services from the bars? I'm wondering if the constant increase in prices has had an effect on most guys not willing to pay 4 or 5 thousand baht to get layed. A year ago I noticed guys pulling the ladies out of CH at a steady pace, but in Jan when I was there it seems very slow. Your opinion will be appreciated as usual.
RL.
Banana Boi
04-15-17, 04:09
Question, Were The Ladies Being Taken Away?They leave for Songkran. Even many shops closed for the week.
The S2O festival was on last night too. Any party girl would have been at that. Surprised Syzy wasn't there!
Did you notice if the ladies were being hired for their services from the bars? I'm wondering if the constant increase in prices has had an effect on most guys not willing to pay 4 or 5 thousand baht to get layed. A year ago I noticed guys pulling the ladies out of CH at a steady pace, but in Jan when I was there it seems very slow. Your opinion will be appreciated as usual.
RL.Yes I did see a few ladies getting barfined at CH and Twisters in particular. Less so at the other 3 bars, where the girl quality to my eye was lower and the number of customers lower.
Yes I agree that to a certain extent bargirls are pricing themselves out of the market. When a fairly ordinary bargirl wants 3000 baht, then the guy has to pay a barfine and some drinks maybe, the guy could argue, he may as well go get a costly stunner at The Lord Soapy or take an Escort.
The first girl I ever barfined at Twisters priced herself at 2 K Baht, and was a very good experience, tits fairly small, but I liked her look, but there is always pressure from peer girls for all girls to price themselves higher. Most girls in CH ask for 3 K, but don't always get it. Tougher customers will pay lower, but probably most girls are not accepting 2 K. 2. 5 K is a common price too. I don't know everything about lowest prices, because I am not bargaining with the uglier types of girls. I tend to be going for the cream, to my spec. The difference between me and other punters is quite marked though.
I will take a slim cute girl, possibly small natural tits no sage, cute little upturned nose preferred. Natty takes pretty much the same type of girl, other guys go for a much more raunchy type of girl, possibly with implants, not too worried about pretty face, etc. Some guys like girls with a lot more meat on them. I don't see Indian guys taking skinny girls much. Most of my girls get mostly Farang customers, skin does not have to be so white, but not all. Naam at CH mostly went with Korean or Japanese guys, however she was one of borderline girls in terms of attitude. She did not like to fuck long duration. Ha ha. That maybe why she likes Asians. LOL.
The advantage for me at CH, has been being able to see the girl nude, or possibly covering up a little but still seeing her ass and pussy and able to check out the tits when she sits on your lap. Girl sitting on lap is a good time to assess the chemistry. If not convinced by her attitude, can simply decide not to BF her. This means I have not selected any really bad bargirls for many months. Got lucky, although, I admit I am mostly doing repeat girls. The few non repeat girls all worked out okay At least, one I probably would not repeat, as just not quite worth the money, level of GFE a bit weak. Others were all repeatable. This means despite paying more, I have less risk of a bad session.
It still hurts other day to pay a mid range price for Soapy girl, and get a girl so non relaxed on the bed squirming around, that never even got to fuck her or take a BBBJ. I just wasn't going to get hard with a girl so non co-operative. So money wasted. With bargirls I have not had any lately where did not get at least a satisfactory fuck, to a really nice one.
I have done rather few bargirl sessions for the year. Price is going to be a factor. I know where I can get good cheaper fucks. However I will take girls that I like a lot.
Have also done rather few MP girls. The MP girls were generally more disappointing. My choices are probably worse. Don't have the chance to spend time with the girl first, to see if we really click, to see if she likes to kiss, to see ask what type of dick she likes, see how great the full body is, etc. Best MP girl I had this year was probably Prae at Mango. Great body and great attitude with enthusiasm. Her pussy was right for me. We obviously clicked for the chemistry. However this is luck and not guaranteed. Others thought Prae was so-so. Probably not PSE.
I am taking much more sessions with my regular girls on private bookings contacted via LINE App. Usually use ST Hotels or cheap Hotels for whole night. So I get more time for my money with these girls.
Sometimes when you get used to a small number of girls that are really excellent fucks, it is hard to pay higher money and risk having a more ordinary fuck.
Some guys are on holiday in Thailand and doing multiple fucks per day and have a very high sex budget. They don't care if bargirls cost a bit. I used to take two girls at a time quite regularly from Suzi Wong a few years back, so cost was very high in many drinks, 2 barfines and pay each girl. I don't do that any more, but it was fun, just very expensive fun. Could have quite a few freelancer fucks for the same price.
So the behavior of sex punters varies greatly depending on whether they have a conserve money attitude, or not.
Business in all the bars seems more sedate this year. Could be partly due to decline in quality of the girls at certain bars and also due to bars being less packed out with customers. Have visited a few bars, formerly very busy, but then quite dead, e. G. Mardarin Upstairs, Long Gun, etc.
If bars keep declining and prices keep being too high, then the bars will gradually die out. So many changes of name or ownership in Nana and Cowboy bars indicate bars are struggling.
I don't see how bars can survive if they don't get good quality girls. Plenty of bar closures. Candyland did not do well. Taken over by rainbow 5. A very reduced shrunken version of Rainbow 4. Twisters took over RB4 (and it improved a lot for me). Hot Lips became Candyland 2, and now is Diamonds, but still not doing much better.
Billboard was greatly revived by getting some better girls. Jailbirdz renamed to Butterflies. Not sure if that helps?
The whole gogo bar scene is in decline is pretty much a normal view. Too many surgery girls, many bars lacking slim girls, too many Ladyboy bars coming in, too many Coyote bars coming in. Prices too high. Too many ordinary girls wanting 3 K for a short time, that won't be worth it. I don't know how often they get it. Meanwhile MP girls maybe be making just 1200 to 1300 per session, and freelancers 1 K to 1500, or in Thermae they get maybe 2 k to 2. 5 K and perhaps have a Farang surcharge. I don't know much about LT prices as I don't take new girls for LT and have not taken a bargirl for LT for quite a while.
I am pretty depressed about the whole bar scene and yet I am a guy who prefers bargirls. So obviously those that hate bar girls would paint a very bleak picture indeed. To get on well with bargirls, you need to have a very relaxed fun attitude I think, but at the same time I have a very aloof distant attitude with any girls that try to come to me unrequested. I also act with complete disinterest to staff trying to suggest girls for me.
I was very surprised in Suzie Wong, that staff that know me well were making so many efforts to suggest girls that might be my spec. It wasn't too pushy, but just boring. They should be just leaving me to look for myself. I did not see anything outstanding that I fancied.
They leave for Songkran. Even many shops closed for the week.
The S2O festival was on last night too. Any party girl would have been at that. Surprised Syzy wasn't there!Really? I am not party animal. I don't really know the details of the S2O festival and what types of music to expect.
I hardly ever go to discos. I hate DJs in general and their whole craft of blending songs and messing with the music. Getting 20 seconds of one thing then changing to another. Some discos hardly even have actual songs. I am too old and not liking most modern stuff. Banging and screeching and short on actual music. I come from the Rock era. My favourite music is probably "New Age" and that type is never performed. I also like fast Latin music. I quite liked to go see the Philippine band at CheckInn99, doing a broad range of popular songs, from rock era or before to present.
I would go to a music performance, if with a girl who wanted to go, and they had some really top Thai artists on. I have been to some really crap bands performing in various venues including RCA. Did not enjoy the band at Bangkok Beat. At Corner bar also very so-so, but better. At Stumble Inn last night band was doing a lot of Beatles stuff, a bit too old for me. Most places have sound quality a bit off.
I did enjoy one of my visits to Thai entertainment venue Saeng Jan. It depends greatly on the quality of the performers. I do enjoy dancing with bargirls late at night when DJ switches to some Thai "Mor Ram" type of stuff or comedy Thai songs, and girls inebriated. Of course you have to speak Thai to understand any of the lyrics for funny Thai smart-ass songs. I hate all the slow sad Thai songs.
Some of the former cart-bars used to put on a good mix of music usually chosen by the girls or customers.
The end of street food in Bangkok?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-15/bangkok-street-food-vendors-forced-to-move-by-thai-government/8407610
The end of street food in Bangkok?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-15/bangkok-street-food-vendors-forced-to-move-by-thai-government/8407610A Magnum Big M Tiramisu ice-cream costs 50 Baht. Thais eat an entire meal at a food cart for 50 Baht or less.
Many Thais do not prepare their own food that often. It is cheaper to eat from street vendors. I never got sick from fresh street vendor food (don't buy from a back Soi cart lacking customers though). Did get sick in Thailand from restaurants.
The entire population of Thailand is living largely off street food, including myself when too lazy to cook on induction cooker, which has been the case last few days. Street Food cannot be wiped out totally. I usually buy several meals at a time from street vendors, put in fridge, and they get reheated in microwave. I have an induction cooker as well for doing very fast fry or stir fry of fresh produce. Advantage of making food yourself, is you have control to keep out junk chemical ingredients. At a street vendor, you have to know what prepared stuff has no sugar, or remind the maker, not to put in MSG and sugar, and keep salt, garlic, and chilies down and any other things I don't like. More difficult for most if the vendor has no English.
Certain streets are being cleaned out. I am not so familiar with those streets being closed from street vendors, so don't understand the problems.
Would not worry me if street vendors were cleaned out of lower Sukhumvit and forced into the small Sois so I could walk through there quickly without having to walk on the road. I suppose it would lose a lot of its dubious character there. I prefer street food stalls over junk merchandise sellers. Also prefer cart bars after midnight. LOL.
Love to get a Phat Thai or Hoi Thort (fried Mussels in egg batter with bean shoots) at food carts, or Kai Yang (grilled chicken), Khao Niaow Mamuang (Mango and sticky rice) at food carts. These surely cannot possibly be stamped out. Would cause a people's revolution against the government. Noodle carts are the staple diet of Thais whether soup noodles, Yen Ta Foh, Khao Soy, Guay Jap, Lart Naa, BaMee, or Phat Thai. Thais cannot survive without these cheap meal alternatives. The names of these common noodle dishes cannot be translated into English with any useful recognition or meaning, so I did not attempt it. You just have to know what the street vendor dishes are like by the Thai name (in some cases it is a borrowed Chinese name).
Today, total cost of my meals was between 100 and 150 Baht, including microwaved breakfast Oats, home filtered coffees, and street vendor chicken plus another street vendor veg soup with pork. I am trying to keep the weight down, so don't eat too much. Without street vendors, I would have to go get the equivalent at Tesco Lotus supermarket, or food court. More inconvenient. Have to eat every day so I prefer to keep the food cost down most days, and use money for my favourite hobby. LOL
Can't get an orgasm from expensive food. LOL Is a great meal more pleasurable than a great fuck? never. O.K. Better than a bad fuck.
Asian Rain
04-15-17, 13:54
The end of street food in Bangkok?It is definitely a trend. For example, on Soi 19 there were many street food vendors which have been swept away since the end of 2016. This has been the visible trend along Sukhimvit for all forms of street vendors, not just food carts. It is all part of the continuing gentrification which is done under the guise of clearing the walkways which are public from private uses. Even though there has been a big clearance, there are still plenty of open-air places to buy grotty Thai food, squeezed juice, ED drugs, DVDs, etc.
I personally LOVE the clearance of Sukhimvit as I can now walk up to Soi 4 at pace now that 70% of the walkway is not infested with junk stalls. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.
It is definitely a trend. For example, on Soi 19 there were many street food vendors which have been swept away since the end of 2016. The very best Gai Yang (BBQed chicken) I ever had was a stand on NE corner of Sukhumvit 19 and cross street Suk 21 Soi 1. Would be very sad if that was gone. I used to be prepared to travel more than 1 km to get their chicken, even when not staying at Grand Mercure Hotel. Could get Som Tam salad and sticky rice too, but was not so interested in that.
Perhaps "Grotty" is best applied to stands selling fried bugs? or the Soi 4 hamburger stand whose meat patties don't look exactly like meat. Poor quality equals almost no customers any more, since the stand was taken over by stupid people.
Crazy4Thai
04-16-17, 03:33
Has anyone tried the taco stand in the car park of the Nana Hotel? I do love tacos but I'm afraid of what would be served here. One time late at night on Soi 8 I went into the restaurant closest to Sukhumvit and ordered chicken fried rice. As that humorous fortune cookie states "That was not chicken".
Member #4591
04-16-17, 06:44
The end of street food in Bangkok?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-15/bangkok-street-food-vendors-forced-to-move-by-thai-government/8407610
What the heck are you doing posting this in the Bangkok reports thread? It. Elongated in the General thread with all the other sad drivel.
What the heck are you doing posting this in the Bangkok reports thread? It. Elongated in the General thread with all the other sad drivel.Well to be fair, it is a report about Bangkok.
What are the best no smoking go go bars in Bangkok at the moment? It was bliss straight after they introduced the smoking ban but then bars slowly started to ignore it. Are there any no smoking bars left?
Well to be fair, it is a report about Bangkok.It's one poster only who complains about stuff like that because he likes scoring cheap points.
He also posts about Songkran and other useless stuff like that.
My post is highly relevant to Bangkok.
If the thread was "Bangkok Bars" it would be another thing.
No worries anyway. It's like water off a duck's back to me.
What the heck are you doing posting this in the Bangkok reports thread? It. Elongated in the General thread with all the other sad drivel.Why are you always such an asshole, Bkkdog? Try relax a little bit.
Asian Rain
04-16-17, 10:58
Has anyone tried the taco stand in the car park of the Nana Hotel? I do love tacos but I'm afraid of what would be served here.I have seen the food truck, but not tried the product. They don't really seem to do much of a business from what I see, but you can give it a try. If you really have a taco fix, you can walk 5 min to Sunrise Tacos on the corner of Soi 7/1 (shared with the Subway franchise) and get their Cowboy Tacos. I have been to their outlet in Terminal 21 several times and never had issues even when I order fresh toppings like guacamole or sour cream. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.
Has anyone tried the taco stand in the car park of the Nana Hotel? I do love tacos but I'm afraid of what would be served here.FYI If you want a high quality taco feast: Sunrise Taco at T21 has all-you-can-eat soft tacos Tuesday and Friday 2 pm to 7 pm for 350 baht. Delicious fresh ingredients. Food coma nirvana!
SL.
I have seen the food truck, but not tried the product. They don't really seem to do much of a business from what I see, but you can give it a try. If you really have a taco fix, you can walk 5 min to Sunrise Tacos on the corner of Soi 7/1 (shared with the Subway franchise) and get their Cowboy Tacos. I have been to their outlet in Terminal 21 several times and never had issues even when I order fresh toppings like guacamole or sour cream. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.I still haven't tried the truck in Nana parking lot yet either. I kept forgetting it was there. The other night I saw they now have a lighted sign on the corner of the building where the pharmacy is, right around the corner from the truck and it can be seen up and down Soi 4. So their business ought to pick up.
LOL. Wouldn't exactly be an appetizing selling point now that I think of it: "Come Try Our Mexican Food! Just Spitting Distance From Soi Nana's Best Stocked Pharmacy!"
I think the reason I haven't tried their food is because they don't sell guacamole. I'm one of those guys who likes to add it to tacos, burritos, quesadillas, almost everything. A couple of times I have asked for it, the lady says no, I register my disappointment, suggest she add it to the menu and move on without buying anything. Apparently my interest in guacamole hasn't inspired her to add it.
Speaking of which, that is one of the things I like about the Sunrise Tacos chain you mentioned. They have very good guacamole and understand the value of it to many with a desire for Mexican food in that they feature a small bowl of it as a 95 baht "Add Guacamole" item on their menu. I prefer Sunrise Tacos' food to La Monita's, which many others prefer. However, the 60 baht rice pudding dessert at La Monita's restaurant location in Mahattun Plaza on the even side of the Ploen Chit bts station is an awesome good dessert for a pittance.
What the heck are you doing posting this in the Bangkok reports thread? It. Elongated in the General thread with all the other sad drivel.It's a great pity we don't have two threads. Bangkok Mongering Only thread, and Bangkok Non-mongering thread. We can only encourage non-mongering topics to go in the General Thread.
It's a great pity we don't have two threads. Bangkok Mongering Only thread, and Bangkok Non-mongering thread. We can only encourage non-mongering topics to go in the General Thread.Would it count if Red Kilt had started his post with, "Sad news for those of us who need a quick pad Thai take away as we're escorting our barfined go-go dancer to the nearest Short Time hotel. The end of street food in Bangkok?"
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-1...rnment/8407610
And if I had started my previous post with, "Last night I was chatting up a freelancer standing in front of the Nana Hotel sign when it occurred to me that I still haven't tried the truck in Nana parking lot yet either"?
Member #4591
04-16-17, 15:06
Well to be fair, it is a report about Bangkok.
It's one poster only who complains about stuff like that because he likes scoring cheap points.
He also posts about Songkran and other useless stuff like that.
My post is highly relevant to Bangkok.
If the thread was "Bangkok Bars" it would be another thing.
No worries anyway. It's like water off a duck's back to me.Please post the link to one post I made about Songkran other than answering another member's question about what massage shop he should go to on a seven hour lay over during Songkran. All my posts are relevant to mongering topics and not about street food. So who are you talking about? Goats was sticking up for you lol. It was me who was asking why on earth you would post that in the Bangkok reports thread which is reserved for mongering topics. There is a general thread for this useless drivel, a hotel thread for discussing hotels, a photo thread for posting photos, a photo discussion thread for photo comments, and political thread for discussing politics, a Thailand expats forum for members who live in Thailand, and ......... I think you get the point. These categories are there for a reason right? Or was Jackson just dreaming when he made them up. I used to love it when Jackson would interrupt the useless drivel with his message saying that the forum is for discussing mongering in Thailand and let's get back to discussing it. Alas, even he has given up.
Imagine if we just had a thread for each city. The members would have to weed through so much krap, they would never be able to read any reports. Give it a rest man. Anyways, at least you post mongering reports sometimes so I apologize for taking out my frustration on you.
Would it count if Red Kilt had started his post with, "Sad news for those of us who need a quick pad Thai take away as we're escorting our barfined go-go dancer to the nearest Short Time hotel. The end of street food in Bangkok?"
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-1...rnment/8407610
And if I had started my previous post with, "Last night I was chatting up a freelancer standing in front of the Nana Hotel sign when it occurred to me that I still haven't tried the truck in Nana parking lot yet either"?
Mr. Tooms. You are always posting good reports as well, but please realize my points and post your reports in the apppropraite thread.
Mbsl65, what is wrong with you???? The Philippines Photo Gallery is the best on ISG. Why do you want to destroy it? Back out. Stop your nonsense now.
As for you AskeAske. You get upset in the Philippines photo thread when members don't post photos and try to say it's not an ISG rule to post comments in the photo thread. What's the difference? Give your head a shake man. Think twice the next time you swear at me from behind your keyboard or phone screen. Good luck to you mate!
What are the best no smoking go go bars in Bangkok at the moment? It was bliss straight after they introduced the smoking ban but then bars slowly started to ignore it. Are there any no smoking bars left?
And finally whooorman. You know I love you man. Ever since Ninja at Sniw White told me she was in love with you, I knew you were the read deal. I could never get angry with you mate. You can post where ever you like about whatever you want. That's freakin hilarious. Last time I was in Climax I didn't smell any smoke. Lol 😂
Crazy4Thai
04-16-17, 16:10
It's a great pity we don't have two threads. Bangkok Mongering Only thread, and Bangkok Non-mongering thread. We can only encourage non-mongering topics to go in the General Thread.Also don't forget the primary one as it currently stands The Theory Of Mongering.
What are the best no smoking go go bars in Bangkok at the moment? It was bliss straight after they introduced the smoking ban but then bars slowly started to ignore it. Are there any no smoking bars left?I came home from recent mini gogo bar tour stinking of smoke on the clothes. I did not really pay attention if any had no smoking (sort of doubt it), but Crazy House has always been the worst bar for smoke (most customers smoking) and loud music (although less loud than a disco). CH never stopped smoking for even a moment. Try to stop all the Japanese from smoking. LOL. The girls have to go outside to smoke.
Today I find out a Soi 4 street girl I fancied, with big sexy lips and busty, but did not yet actually session, is now in Angel Witch. That will make me think twice about doing her. Her price has probably gone up about 1K or more and add to that a BF and drinks. She isn't nearly as appealing now. I suppose I can have a look at her more scantily clad at least, and reassess. Haven't been in Angel W for years. Was too boring last time.
My Thailand travel.
I had scheduled a ski trip with some buddies it was supposed to be a 10 day trip. I haven't gone with them in 2 seasons and I was overdue for a break from the wife. She goes on girl trips herself so it was normal for us. I got thinking and scheduled a trip to Thailand instead but told the wife I was going skiing. I had reserved 4 nights in Bangkok and 3 nights in Pattaya. The flight was awesome but long and transfers and customs was great but I also read up on it. I was really feeling the jet lag especially after staying up all night when I first got there, Wow this place is great. I visited Thermae bar the 2 nights I was there. I walked around a lot and explored the crazy busy city.
So the hard part was when I would chat and text with the wife and the juggling of the time zones the one in Bangkok the one in Eastern coast US and where I was supposed to be in Pacific coast. Well my conscience got the best of me and I bought a one way to catch up with my buddies and make it good. It cost me a lot of $ but I am glad I got the chance to see the city. It was a stressful but enlightening adventure I will be back on better terms some day.
Thanks for the great tips and info on this site.
And finally whooorman. You know I love you man. Ever since Ninja at Sniw White told me she was in love with you, I knew you were the read deal. I could never get angry with you mate. You can post where ever you like about whatever you want. That's freakin hilarious. Last time I was in Climax I didn't smell any smoke. Lol 😂Climax was even worse than the gogos last time I was there. It's no laughing matter as the stench and health risks of passive smoking stop me going to these places. Ninja feels the same way so I hope you don't smoke with her in the room.
I came home from recent mini gogo bar tour stinking of smoke on the clothes. I did not really pay attention if any had no smoking (sort of doubt it), but Crazy House has always been the worst bar for smoke (most customers smoking) and loud music (although less loud than a disco). CH never stopped smoking for even a moment. Try to stop all the Japanese from smoking. LOL. The girls have to go outside to smoke.
Today I find out a Soi 4 street girl I fancied, with big sexy lips and busty, but did not yet actually session, is now in Angel Witch. That will make me think twice about doing her. Her price has probably gone up about 1K or more and add to that a BF and drinks. She isn't nearly as appealing now. I suppose I can have a look at her more scantily clad at least, and reassess. Haven't been in Angel W for years. Was too boring last time.I hate that stench of smoke when I get home, not only on the clothes but even sticking to the hands and arms. I'm sure I'm not the only one who stays away from bars because of this. Is it true that Baccara is no smoking downstairs but smoking upstairs?
Climax was even worse than the gogos last time I was there. It's no laughing matter as the stench and health risks of passive smoking stop me going to these places. Ninja feels the same way so I hope you don't smoke with her in the room.
I hate that stench of smoke when I get home, not only on the clothes but even sticking to the hands and arms. I'm sure I'm not the only one who stays away from bars because of this. Is it true that Baccara is no smoking downstairs but smoking upstairs?With you 100%. I avoid places that allow smoking inside as well. It irritates my sinuses to no end. Of course no venue is supposed to allow it but TIT.
Just out of curiosity, are the freelancers that hang out around the Nana sign "safe" and does anyone have notable experiences? Appear to be some pretty ones but are they any different than freelancers at clubs / bars in terms of riskiness? I would think that they could make more money at Thermae so wondering why some freelancers would choose a much more public venue.
Just out of curiosity, are the freelancers that hang out around the Nana sign "safe" and does anyone have notable experiences? Appear to be some pretty ones but are they any different than freelancers at clubs / bars in terms of riskiness? I would think that they could make more money at Thermae so wondering why some freelancers would choose a much more public venue.Please define what "safe" and "riskiness" means for you.
SL.
Please define what "safe" and "riskiness" means for you.
SL.Materially more likely to have an STD or rob you, when compared to freelancers at Thermae or an after-hours club. Understand that the risks are inherent with anyone but obviously some more than others.
Just out of curiosity, are the freelancers that hang out around the Nana sign "safe" and does anyone have notable experiences? Appear to be some pretty ones but are they any different than freelancers at clubs / bars in terms of riskiness? I would think that they could make more money at Thermae so wondering why some freelancers would choose a much more public venue.These are the notable risks I have experienced:
Watch out for high numbers of ladyboys. The real girls probably have natural tits.
The price is low so means the girl is expecting a quick session not going the full hour. Getting a GFE is not easy if first time taking that girl.
The girl may have significant body problems covered up by the clothes. Badly sunken saggy tits is most common, and baby Caesarian scars or bad belly stretch marks.
The deaf girls there communicate basics by typing on the phone screen.
Competition is tough at Thermae so girls may consider it is too difficult to get a customer there especially if they are not type likely to appeal to Japanese. For western guys, I don't see that Thermae is much lower risk of getting less than great session, but price is higher. So tend to prefer to go the cheaper Soi 4 street option, which does have the odd girl of reasonable natural looks especially at 1 AM. If the girl is not great, can go back and get another one.
The girls outside of Nana love to have repeat customers. Rumours may spread that you are a good customer or a bad customer very quickly among the girls. Does not guarantee the next girl will perform any good though. Some of them are really crap. It's a gamble.
I have not been robbed nor caught an STD. I worried about STDs, use a condom is obvious. I choose where I take the girl usually. The real girls are mostly trustworthy, since they work the same place repeatedly, but no guaranties are possible.
The girl may have significant body problems covered up by the clothes. Badly sunken saggy tits is most common, and baby Caesarian scars or bad belly stretch marks.So true. That Gek chick who hangs out there in front of nana all the time has a pretty face, and she looks great in clothes. But saggy tits, caesarian scar and bad belly stretch marks. Good attitude though.
So true. That Gek chick who hangs out there in front of nana all the time has a pretty face, and she looks great in clothes. But saggy tits, caesarian scar and bad belly stretch marks. Good attitude though.I had to look up dictionary. Is "Gek" slang for Crazy (originating from Dutch)? The pics are a bit blurred for me to recognise her. It's not Joom by any chance? (I have not seen Joom naked only talked to her since she is there every day literally - she was a little too thick for me in the waist). Face and tits looks sort of consistent.
I saw a pic of a strong good looking Thai guy on one girl's phone. I thought was the girl's husband or BF. She explained was her son aged 16 or so but looking a bit older. LOL She had the baby quite young and now mid 30s. LOL
Asian Rain
04-18-17, 15:52
Just out of curiosity, are the freelancers that hang out around the Nana sign "safe" and does anyone have notable experiences? Appear to be some pretty ones but are they any different than freelancers at clubs / bars in terms of riskiness? I would think that they could make more money at Thermae so wondering why some freelancers would choose a much more public venue.Never had an issue with a Nana parking lot or Nana area girl. Biggest issue for me is quite a few have had babies, with all the markings once you get them undressed. I ask the girls point blank. If they have a baby and they don't have an obvious paunch, I ask if their body is still good. If they say okay (one girl insisted she was "still good" and hiked up her shirt to show her belly), then I make a call whether I want to go ahead. There is no legislating for girls who are lazy / poor performers, but then again any venue has that risk. Be sure to report how your trip goes and good luck. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.
I am planning for a short trip to Bkk on May. I am a frequent traveler. I had good experience starting from Darling massage, Freelancer at Ambassador hotel.
I need to know, how's the situation now. And what are the good Spa s with cute girls at reasonable rate?
Thanks in advanced.
Wolvenvacht
04-18-17, 19:09
Materially more likely to have an STD or rob you, when compared to freelancers at Thermae or an after-hours club. Understand that the risks are inherent with anyone but obviously some more than others.I don't think anyone compiled any meaningful statistics on these risks and the place where the girl is plying her trade. Personally I'd be more wary for an STD with a "non pro" freelancer girl who may be less likely to take good care of her main asset than a full pro whose only income is her body.
Taking the usual precautions is anyhow always advisable.
Member #4591
04-18-17, 19:10
I am planning for a short trip to Bkk on May. I am a frequent traveler. I had good experience starting from Darling massage, Freelancer at Ambassador hotel.
I need to know, how's the situation now. And what are the good Spa s with cute girls at reasonable rate?
Thanks in advanced.Oh again! Give it a rest and RTFF! Post something from your frequent traveller log.
Wolvenvacht
04-18-17, 19:12
I am planning for a short trip to Bkk on May. I am a frequent traveler. I had good experience starting from Darling massage, Freelancer at Ambassador hotel.
I need to know, how's the situation now. And what are the good Spa s with cute girls at reasonable rate?
Thanks in advanced.That totally depends on what you consider "good", "cute" and "reasonable".
Check out the threads on massageplaces and this Bangkok forum. Read the last 30 pages or so and you'll be as knowledgeable as anyone.
I am planning for a short trip to Bkk on May. I am a frequent traveler. I had good experience starting from Darling massage, Freelancer at Ambassador hotel. I cannot see any reports from you yet about your "good experience from Darling massage" or the freelancer at Ambassador.
You will get more replies to your request if you "give back" as well as "ask and take".
Okay, it wasn't really even a full night. Plane landed at 10:30 pm and I didn't get through customs until midnight. Changed $200 US and headed for the Taxi queue. Just my luck, taxi didn't speak English and the hotel didn't answer to give an address or directions, so the taxi dropped me off at a hotel with a similar name. I was staying at Asoke Suites, he dropped me at Sukhumvit Suites near the Asok station. I think he also overcharged me for the toll road (is it 25 baht or 75 baht?) he also charged me an extra 50 baht as an airport fee? The only plus was he took some back road where there were 15 to 20 working girls standing around. If he spoke English I would've asked him to stop so I could talk to them but I didn't get a chance. Just a mental note for next time. Anyone know what road it was? It was near Sukhumvit / Terminal 21 / Asok. Didn't find out I was at the wrong hotel until I tried to check in and the girl at the desk told me I'd have to drag my suitcase up the metro ramp and down to get to the other side of the street.
Night kept going downhill from there. I later found out Asoke Suites is a short time hotel? Explains why my shower still had water on the floor. Tiny hotel, small rooms, and my room was next to the trash bin. Not sure if the trash bin was causing the smell or the sewage smell was from the shower, but I do not recommend ASOKE Suites. Luckily I used reward points to get the room for free and it was only for a couple hours until my bus to Pattaya. Finally checked in around 1 am and went to Soi Cowboy. Maybe it was the jet lag, but it seemed like every girl was young, slender and beautiful. It could also be I had spent two weeks in Manila and Angeles and had become accustomed to the dark brown tan and my eyes and brain didn't believe what I was seeing. I was dragged into a bar (don't remember the name) by two girls in their early twenties. Both were very cute and wearing see thru lingerie. They ordered a bunch of shots and were groping me non-stop. I asked about the bar fine and that's when they told me they only drink and dance. That was an expensive 3000 baht Unhappy ending HJ. Went to another bar and by this time the lack of sleep and alcohol had the room spinning. Since I didn't have enough cash for a bar fine and I was too tired / wasted to get it up, I just grabbed two more girls for drinks and groping until the bar closed at 3 am? At least they didn't order shots so it was only around 2000 baht. Went back to my hotel and passed out.
That's not even the end of my troubles. I had booked the Bell Shuttle to Pattaya, but in my delirium I booked it for the day before. When the pick up time passed, I checked my ticket and finally realized it was for the wrong day. Great, another 400 baht wasted. Decided to check Uber, it was 1800 baht to Pattaya. Debated trying to make it the bus terminal before the 1 pm Bell bus left or catching the next one, but the way things were going I decided to just go with the sure thing. First driver said 4 minutes away then it turned in to 20 minutes so I canceled (there was a 100 baht cancellation charge.) Second driver said 6 minutes away, which turned into 20 minutes again. This time I just waited. Finally made it to Pattaya. Just felt like Karma wanted me to give away all my money so I tipped the driver 500 baht (also felt bad that he would have to drive all the way back to Bangkok, plus the tolls he paid coming and would pay going back).
Karma got one last kick in, my hotel wanted a 1000 baht deposit. I only had 500, luckily the guy at the desk took pity and took my 500. Rest of my report will be in the Pattaya section.
I cannot see any reports from you yet about your "good experience from Darling massage" or the freelancer at Ambassador.Climax is scheduled to close next week, so his shareable knowledge will be cut in half.
SL.
Member #4591
04-19-17, 13:58
Climax is scheduled to close next week, so his shareable knowledge will be cut in half.
SL.Is it reopening again after renovations, under a different name, or closing forever?
MusicalToM
04-19-17, 17:46
During my visit to Bangkok last year I was in Baccara. The girls were good and the stage arrangement as well. The view in 1st Floor where the girls dance topless is amazing but the ugliest ones go there, all good looking in ground floor stage. However upon asking a mamasan out Anal offering by any girl, she was clueless. She asked what what. Again and again and used words like Anal / A+ but she was completely blacked out about that, since there were some Japanese customers asking for her I let it go.
So now my question comes here is how do I get info about the girls in floor offering back door entry, I kind of explore my fantasies when goes to LOS. One could say to call a girl and ask upfront but don't want to spend much on LDs and neither want to become a cheap charlie by just asking them and not offering a drink. Is there any other sort of keyword or something they understand, sorry but I'm clueless. I could go for booking an Oily PSE girl or even an escort but the experience in AGoGo is something out of world.
TIA.
Okay, it wasn't really even a full night. Plane landed at 10:30 pm and I didn't get through customs until midnight. Changed $200 US and headed for the Taxi queue. Just my luck, taxi didn't speak English and the hotel didn't answer to give an address or directions, so the taxi dropped me off at a hotel with a similar name. I was staying at Asoke Suites, he dropped me at Sukhumvit Suites near the Asok station. I think he also overcharged me for the toll road (is it 25 baht or 75 baht?) he also charged me an extra 50 baht as an airport fee? Airport fee is 50 baht, correct, well sign posted st the taxi ranks at arrival?
Toll road is 75 if you go to lower sukhumvit, I. E. Soi 4 etc.
If they take you to asoke there is only one toll station and it is the 25 baht.
Then it is a few back roads and / or asoke, depending where you need to be dropped.
The asoke route is typical when you negotiate an all in flat fare, like 3/400, including motorway. They cheat you by exiting after the 25 baht toll, the smart asses, even if you have to go to lower sukhumvit.
You mentally thought the fare included the 75 baht toll.
For this reason I always say "I pay toll".
Decided to check Uber, it was 1800 baht to Pattaya. Debated trying to make it the bus terminal before the 1 pm Bell bus left or catching the next one, but the way things were going I decided to just go with the sure thing. First driver said 4 minutes away then it turned in to 20 minutes so I canceled (there was a 100 baht cancellation charge.) Second driver said 6 minutes away, which turned into 20 minutes again. This time I just waited. Finally made it to Pattaya. Just felt like Karma wanted me to give away all my money so I tipped the driver 500 baht (also felt bad that he would have to drive all the way back to Bangkok, plus the tolls he paid coming and would pay going back).
Karma got one last kick in, my hotel wanted a 1000 baht deposit. I only had 500, luckily the guy at the desk took pity and took my 500. Rest of my report will be in the Pattaya section.Usually the prebooked taxi from sukhumvit to Pattaya charges 1200 including tolls.
Only the most expensive ones demand for 1800/2000: they are those taken by the people comparing with home prices.
How they handle the return to bkk is their problem, not yours.
Maybe your driver was returning back home in Pattaya.
So 2300 was 1000 far too much.
Saying this for those who do the due diligence and RTFF: they might be misguided by the rates you paid.
What you paid is your own money, of course, and decision.
I once thought took a taximeter from 12.30 till 5. 30 pm for a visit to the floating market some 30/40 km away, including his waiting time at destination and the drive back. He had pre- quoted "around 1500". Then he put the meter.
When he dropped me back at the hotel at 5. 30 or so, the meter read 1485.
Mind you: the waiting time was unpredictable.
Never the less he was very accurate on his prediction.
They know their business, don't worry and don't feel sorry.
Just out of curiosity, are the freelancers that hang out around the Nana sign "safe" and does anyone have notable experiences? Appear to be some pretty ones but are they any different than freelancers at clubs / bars in terms of riskiness? I would think that they could make more money at Thermae so wondering why some freelancers would choose a much more public venue.My experiences are in the dozens of ladies & hundreds of sessions with females in that spot or nearby street walkers. Bottom line, they are quite safe in virtually any way that you can imagine. Just use common sense smart safety precautions, as you'd use with prostitutes from a gogo, bar or anywhere else.
In terms of the comparative riskiness between them & other types of freelancers, street walkers anywhere are generally going to be somewhat more of a risk re STIs. IME Nana Hotel ladies of the street have been quite agreeable to going to a hospital or clinic to be tested re HIV etc, probably moreso than TGs who work at gogos, bars, etc.
There are at least 100 reasons why a girl might choose to work by Nana Hotel rather than at Thermae. For example, a belief that she will get more dates & make more money on the street. Or a preference to a quickie with English speaking customers rather than interacting with Japanese, Korean or Asian men at Thermae. Or she does not feel that she is the quality or type that such Asian men are attracted to. Or she finds Nana type customers more friendly or otherwise to her liking.
Blanquiceleste
04-20-17, 01:32
Is it reopening again after renovations, under a different name, or closing forever?Word is that negotiations for a lease renewal between the Hillary Group and The Ambassador could not reach a deal. So Climax on Soi 11 will be gone. But they will find a new place to open again surely. And I am also certain The Ambassador has a new tenant, so I am not really worried.
Blanquiceleste
04-20-17, 01:41
Usually the prebooked taxi from sukhumvit to Pattaya charges 1200 including tolls.
SNIP
They know their business, don't worry and don't feel sorry.On this forum there are several mentions of a taxi service run by a guy named KEAK. You can run a Google search for VR Taxi Pattaya. Very reliable and very competitive pricing. I have been using his service for quite a few years and never once been let down on any front. Car, driver, comfort, timing, safety, price.
I guess all it takes is reading a few pages.
Blanquiceleste
04-20-17, 01:50
Rest of my report will be in the Pattaya section.An entirely forgettable experience in BKK. I hope you had a better time in Pattaya. Do take time out to read the forum. There are several things in your report here that could have easily been avoided. Taxi fares, coyote girls stiffing you (no pun intended) for drinks only, choice of hotel, etc.
But hey, what does not kill you makes you stronger. Good luck.
Robert Long
04-20-17, 03:08
Airport fee is 50 baht, correct, well sign posted st the taxi ranks at arrival?
Toll road is 75 if you go to lower sukhumvit, I. E. Soi 4 etc.
If they take you to asoke there is only one toll station and it is the 25 baht.
Then it is a few back roads and / or asoke, depending where you need to be dropped.
The asoke route is typical when you negotiate an all in flat fare, like 3/400, including motorway. They cheat you by exiting after the 25 baht toll, the smart asses, even if you have to go to lower sukhumvit.
You mentally thought the fare included the 75 baht toll.
For this reason I always say "I pay toll".Airport MRT 45 baht to the junction with Skytrain and then 43 baht to Asoke. Catch a taxi to your hotel 35 baht. I stay on Soi 19 so I just walk to the hotel.
RL.
To get to Thonglor from novotel at airport I tell them to avoid tolls and meter on. Rarely comes out to more than 300.
If you are lucky it cam be done for 300 flat to get to soi 11. That was a Sunday night and I can't recall if he used tolls or not. I tippedhim well.
Airport MRT 45 baht to the junction with Skytrain and then 43 baht to Asoke. Catch a taxi to your hotel 35 baht. I stay on Soi 19 so I just walk to the hotel.
RL.
Airport MRT 45 baht to the junction with Skytrain and then 43 baht to Asoke. Catch a taxi to your hotel 35 baht. I stay on Soi 19 so I just walk to the hotel.
RL.I'm pretty sure the toll was 25 baht. The taxi driver told me 75 baht and pocketed the extra 50. When he dropped me off he asked for an extra 50 baht on top as the airport toll. Lessons learned.
Thanks to all for the feedback and tips for the future!
Airport MRT 45 baht to the junction with Skytrain and then 43 baht to Asoke. Catch a taxi to your hotel 35 baht. I stay on Soi 19 so I just walk to the hotel.
RL.Who needs this level of messing around when you have suitcases to save just a few Baht? Okay Fine if you have very low amounts of luggage. Unfortunately I tend to live in a suitcase or two, so I have a lot, including all the packets of coffee I am importing into Thailand. Important to have a good quality coffee every day. LOL. I also have some unusual luggage, which I can't mention, for fear someone will think, I know who that is.
I tend to agree with BionicM on this one. If I was staying on Soi 29 Mermaid, for example, can get off the tollway at exit 02-01 going to Phet-Uthai road to connect to Petchaburi road then enter back Sois 39 of Phrom Phong district. I avoid using nearby Asoke mostly which has worse traffic. Pay just one toll and Google Maps shows trip is 36 minutes right now 1 PM. At night or very early morning or a Sunday can be quicker.
Back Sois can be a disaster when peak hour for kids going to or from school, but it is school holidays right now. Just have to know your traffic or ask "Google Maps" for best route and times for alternative routes. Google Maps is my best friend.
If staying in the very low Sukhumvit Sois, then must pay extra tolls. Only worthwhile avoiding these tolls in extremely low traffic conditions, like midnight Sunday night. LOL.
Always need to weigh up, do we want the cheapest ride or shortest time to Hotel. I don't pay the 50 Baht at the airport. I am happy to have convenience of a taxi all the way provided not a rip off all in one price. Some want to save the most Baht, fine. I want to get to a girl in a big hurry most likely, or just to a bed for some sleep, if a bad time for a girl.
Taxi drivers can make bad mistakes on choice of route for the quickest time. Best to discuss route with them to make sure they intend a satisfactory method. Many want to exit tollway at Sukhumvit Soi 2 when an earlier exit can be better. Taxi wants to drive the more circuitous route to make more money on the meter, when the total time will be not too extended. Some want to circumnavigate Bangkok to clock up most possible kilometres.
This is Part II to my report below and the conclusion of my Spring Asia trip.
Day one: Finally caught the Bell Bus from Pattaya to Bangkok (370 Baht + 20 Baht for extra suitcase). Changed to a van and drop off at Radisson Blu. Easy check in and went to the pool to wind down and grab a snack. They have a burger with the bun dyed blue (I don't recommend it, the food coloring turned my #2's blue then green for the next couple days. Also, I asked for medium well because I don't trust their medium and it came out well done). The fries were good though. Went to Nana, since I'd tried Soi Cowboy a week earlier already. Bounced around the bars and enjoyed the topless views. Around 10 pm decided to take a peak into Annie's. Maybe it was the late hour or that it was Sunday, but the pickings were very slim. Handful of ladies (I say ladies because they were all 40+) and none were lookers (chubby). Walked back to Nana and picked a girl from one of the first floor go go's. Cute face, no babies, amazing body, early 20's, dark hair and pale skin (400 + 3000 for short time = 1 pop). Brought her back to my hotel, she seemed impressed (or maybe hopeful for a large tip. No pun intended). No ID check. Showered together. When she undressed, I fell in love. Amazing body. 500 Baht tip. When she left, I wanted to follow her back to Nana to barfine her again. No phone call from security when she left.
Day two: Changed the last of my currency ($500 USD) and decided to run some errands. Brought my phone from the US to see if someone in Thailand could fix it. Went to Dr. Phone near Terminal 21. They played with it but told me the same thing as in the US, they couldn't get the screen to work and would need to hold onto it for a few days. If it was just the screen, it would be 2700 baht to replace. Since I was leaving the next day I decided to pass. I had already purchased a replacement a year ago so I didn't really need this one, but if I could get it fixed for under $100 US, it would be worth it. I had also purchased a fake watch a year before that broke almost right away so I decided to see if I could find the guy who sold it to me. Found the guy in the exact same spot. He told me no warranties (HAHA) and then sent me to a watch repairer on Soi 8. 500 Baht and it kinda works like new. Stopped by Terminal 21 and picked up some more gifts. Massage from a really old Thai lady (really don't like massages from older ladies but I felt bad walking out after seeing her) and haircut, then back to my hotel to get ready for my last night. Started out at Soi Cowboy, but I didn't see any of the hotties from a week ago. First time in Crazy House, it was great. Lots of naked girls to flirt with while enjoying a beer. Checked out a couple more bars but they were pretty empty. One of the bars (forgot the name) had 10 real cute, young girls with great bodies, but they were already entertaining a table of guys. Decided to try Nana. Almost went back for the girl from the night before, but I forgot which bar she was in so I just wandered from bar to bar. Made a mental note to go to the second floor Mandarin for a girl I saw the night before, but she was already taken. Another cute girl was there but she seemed really shy, not making eye contact with anyone, so I decided to move along. Forgot the name of the bar (Yes, I'm terrible with names and Thai whisky doesn't help. Might be across from Mandarin or above it) but there was a really cute door girl, so I went it hoping she would follow. Unfortunately, she just held the curtain for me and stayed outside. Whenever the curtain opened though, she would peak in and smile at me. Saw another girl on the stage that caught my interest though. Great body, but I knew she was only there for the money. I liked her body enough to barfine her anyways (400 + 3000 for short time = 2 hours). The door girl peaked in around this time and pretended like she was disappointed that I hadn't waited for her. I jokingly told the mama buy one take one, which I guess in Thailand means take two. She immediately called the door girl and I had four girls trying to convince to do a threesome. I pushed the two girls together to see if they would kiss and make out, they lightly / begrudgingly pecked on the lips (bad sign). Since it was my last night and the door girl was the one I actually wanted, I decided okay. Asked for a discount, none was given (800 + 6000 for short time = 2 hours, I was hoping at least the time would go up but it stayed the same. In essence, I was paying more for less now. In my professional life, I would have walked from that deal, but). They then brought done another cute, young, slender girl and tried to convince me to take three girls. At this point, I was pretty much out of money so I said no. I wasn't sure if I could find an ATM and I wasn't sure if my card would even work or if it would go to fraud prevention. Taxi back to the hotel. The girls were talking in Thai the whole time. (Reminded me why I don't like threesomes). No security check, straight to the room. They showered together, nope, not in a sexy way. One in the bathtub, one in the shower. It was pretty much me taking turns with each girl and them complaining and talking in Thai. The door girl was really sweet and had an amazing body. Probably would have been better to have just gone with her. The door girl had a limp, so maybe some of you know who I'm talking about. The other girl had a hard attitude and was just there to get paid for doing as little as possible. She also didn't speak much English so it was like talking to a wall. Didn't have much cash left, so gave them 100 baht each for taxi fare and called it a night. No phone call from security when they left.
Day three: Walked to the Italian / Pizza place across from Terminal 21. Last time I was in Bangkok I remembered really enjoying the pizza. It wasn't as good this time around. Back to the hotel to check out. Ordered an Uber, said 6 minutes away and then it turned into 20 minutes. When he dropped me off, I thought I left my phone in the backseat (which I've done before), so I ended up running down the street to catch him. Right when I caught up with him, I remembered I'd put my phone in my bag. Acted like I found it in the backseat and said thanks and walked back to my suitcases. I don't have very good luck in Thailand, but that won't stop me from coming back.
Note: Not sure if many of you use Uber, but it is terrible in Bangkok. If you don't mind waiting at least 20 minutes for a ride, being able to put in the exact address of your destination so it's pre-programmed for your driver and knowing the price ahead of time without having to haggle are pluses. But your driver being able to find you is a different story though since the maps in Thailand aren't very accurate. If your hotel is in an alley or side street, the map doesn't show it correctly. Also, around noon, I think all the drivers go to lunch because the available cars disappear and the surge pricing kicks in.
Who needs this level of messing around when you have suitcases to save just a few Baht?I generally agree, but then I, too, am usually traveling heavy. On a side trip out of BKK with little more than a carry-on it is quite doable, but may not have been an option for Flak3 as the last run is at midnight.
During my visit to Bangkok last year I was in Baccara. The girls were good and the stage arrangement as well. The view in 1st Floor where the girls dance topless is amazing but the ugliest ones go there, all good looking in ground floor stage. However upon asking a mamasan out Anal offering by any girl, she was clueless. She asked what what. Again and again and used words like Anal / A+ but she was completely blacked out about that, since there were some Japanese customers asking for her I let it go.
So now my question comes here is how do I get info about the girls in floor offering back door entry, I kind of explore my fantasies when goes to LOS. One could say to call a girl and ask upfront but don't want to spend much on LDs and neither want to become a cheap charlie by just asking them and not offering a drink. Is there any other sort of keyword or something they understand, sorry but I'm clueless. I could go for booking an Oily PSE girl or even an escort but the experience in AGoGo is something out of world.
TIA.I hate the stage arrangement downstairs unless it changed. Too many girls means many are obscured by others. Too hard for me to find the natural beauties there.
Normally guys do not go to a gogo to get a back door girl. So that is why mamasan does not even know the word "anal". She won't know which girls can do it, most likely. I avoid discussions with mamasans myself, as I feel I am better to talk to a girl directly, less complicated, however I speak Thai.
You can ask for "back door" literally in Thai, but too difficult to pronounce it close to correctly. You can ask the girl: "ow Gon dai mai" (literally means "may I take your bottom?") or "Ow Doot dai mai" (take your ass, can I?) Doot sounds something like Door but change to finish with an additional T sound. Actually vowel sound is probably half way between Door and Boot, more like a German long you sound.
I doubt many Baccara girls are into, it unless you have small dick and cum quick. Perhaps better to go to Tulip or Snow White for anal.
ZimmerBaby
04-20-17, 09:12
I hate...Since we're into pronunciation; what about your name? Sausages? : )
WarmStone25
04-20-17, 13:32
Airport MRT 45 baht to the junction with Skytrain and then 43 baht to Asoke. Catch a taxi to your hotel 35 baht. I stay on Soi 19 so I just walk to the hotel.
RL.It would cost less to get airport train to Maakasan station then 1 stop along the underground to Asoke. Walk to hotel from there.
Since we're into pronunciation; what about your name? Sausages? : )I have heard so many FKK girls call out your handle, I should know how to pronounce it by now, of course.
You won't ever need to be able to pronounce my handle, but it is simple enough, you can look up a dictionary, but it really is not a useful word. Relates to an "alignment of Stars". I will make sure my next handle is a completely unpronounceable thing not even a word though. One of my favorite handles used by other guys is NoCBJ4Me. LOL he used to post the best pics in the photo gallery. A true champion for hot girl photos. Also I have a buddy with handle Iseeu where it took long time to dawn on me what the handle meant. LOL.
Crazy House had a lot of girls tonight including some new ones, but I was only in the mood for my regulars or a stunner, so left. Jun, Jane, and Oom, all not there.
Stopped in doll house. Some girls sort of nude but wearing fishnet stuff. A couple of the Coyote girls were looking okay I quickly learned they are 1000 Baht BF. Later learned that gets you only ST unless you BF after midnight. Anyway found a cutie upstairs and BFed her later. At first just went for her very cute face (very cute small nose) but later realised she very nice high 19 YO tits, initially covered. Probably a good Bcup, not quite a real Ccup.
Turned out to be a pretty good fuck with DFK. Normally I hate to choose covered up bar girls. Quite a risk. I intend to ask girls to expose themselves a bit before taking the plunge. I did get a bit of a look at how nice her tits were before BFing.
To BF the coyote girls before midnight for a LT booking will cost 2K ouch. I won't be doing that. Stupid rules at Doll House.
In another bar (Corner Bar) there is an ex favourite waitress of mine that wants me to BF her. She is a bit over dressed, so I wonder how to discover what her figure is really like first. I could ask her to send me some risque pics, or take her out the back and ask to see her tits and belly, LOL, or any suggestions? She probably has kids. No idea how many. I think her tits are not at all small but no clue how saggy etc. Will the belly have bad railway tracks? will the ass be horrible? I don't really know. Being realistic, her body won't be super, but just how bad could it be? A bit risk averse with bargirls. This is why I always liked the nudie bars. I can tolerate a medium standard body on a skinny girl, but hate to waste a BF for a really crap body. I have got used to fucking girls with pretty good bodies. Don't know if dick will even rise for a crap body.
Day three: Walked to the Italian / Pizza place across from Terminal 21. Last time I was in Bangkok I remembered really enjoying the pizza. It wasn't as good this time around. Back to the hotel to check out. Ordered an Uber, said 6 minutes away and then it turned into 20 minutes. When he dropped me off, I thought I left my phone in the backseat (which I've done before), so I ended up running down the street to catch him. Right when I caught up with him, I remembered I'd put my phone in my bag. Acted like I found it in the backseat and said thanks and walked back to my suitcases. I don't have very good luck in Thailand, but that won't stop me from coming back.
Note: Not sure if many of you use Uber, but it is terrible in Bangkok. If you don't mind waiting at least 20 minutes for a ride, being able to put in the exact address of your destination so it's pre-programmed for your driver and knowing the price ahead of time without having to haggle are pluses. But your driver being able to find you is a different story though since the maps in Thailand aren't very accurate. If your hotel is in an alley or side street, the map doesn't show it correctly. Also, around noon, I think all the drivers go to lunch because the available cars disappear and the surge pricing kicks in.Really bad Pizza in Thailand is pretty much the norm I would say. There are exceptions, however Thais eat really poor quality pizza normally. I have not felt the need to go look for a Pizza here.
Google maps is fairly accurate for streets and alleys based on looking at alignments of satellite photos and the Maps, what is not accurate is the pin placements for particular Hotels, etc. I don't use Uber, but it could be relying on GPS to determine your location when it can get an accurate reading, e. G. If you are in good satellite signal outside a building. A girl I know uses Uber, and sometimes she is in conversation with the driver, re how to get to her, so must mean they can't determine exactly where she is. One bad feature is sometimes Uber car bookings just cancel for no reason, perhaps they found an easier customer, and then you have to book another. So far Uber has not been tempting me to try it. Can be significantly more expensive at times. I will ask her later how she gets to Pattaya and the cost. I guess Thais typically take a moderately cheap air con bus from Ekkamai most likely.
NaughtyXing
04-20-17, 21:21
Just spent about 3 hours hanging out at Soi Cowboy. Here are the prices that I got:
Cowboy 2:
Dress: Bikini.
Lady drinks: 200.
Crazy house:
Dress: Nude.
Lady rinks: 330? Didn't realize it was so expensive.
ST: 3000.
LT: 6000.
BF: 700.
Baccara:
Dress: Tube top and short skirt.
Lady Drinks: 200.
ST: 3000.
LT: 6000 (explicit state 2 hours).
BF: 600 + min 2 lady drinks (so really 1000).
My attempts to negotiate were not successful. This was at around 2 am to 3 am, so near closing times. I tried to say 4 K for LT, or 2 K for ST, or offered to meet after bar close. But, alas, the girls seemed unwilling to budge from the "official" prices. Is this new? What's with the much higher prices?
Banana Boi
04-20-17, 21:47
I guess Thais typically take a moderately cheap air con bus from Ekkamai most likely.Bus to / from Ekkamai and Pattaya is either 110 or 150 baht. Forgot which my friend said. For those on a budget this sounds like a great option and you'll be on the bus with some cute Thai girls.
Blanquiceleste
04-21-17, 01:52
Baccara:
Dress: Tube top and short skirt.
Lady Drinks: 200.
ST: 3000.
LT: 6000 (explicit state 2 hours).
BF: 600 + min 2 lady drinks (so really 1000).
My attempts to negotiate were not successful. This was at around 2 am to 3 am, so near closing times. I tried to say 4 K for LT, or 2 K for ST, or offered to meet after bar close. But, alas, the girls seemed unwilling to budge from the "official" prices. Is this new? What's with the much higher prices?There is a spirited discussion underway on the Pattaya thread around how and why prices increase and stay that way. At Baccara specifically, it is because of the Japanese patrons. Again, not because one guy overpaid. But because over the last few years a majority of their patrons have been overpaying consistently night after night and putting up with shitty attitudes from the girls. These girls are spoiled rotten by their Japanese suitors. Most of them are on a healthy allowance ranging from 30 K to 50 K a month. So, there is no motivation to meet you after closing hours to still make that extra 2000.
Bus to / from Ekkamai and Pattaya is either 110 or 150 baht. Forgot which my friend said. For those on a budget this sounds like a great option and you'll be on the bus with some cute Thai girls.I have done this trip both ways just to experience it.
You pay your own way to Ekkamai either by taxi or lugging your luggage on and off the BTS. You wait for the bus in a non-aircon station. The folks on the bus are indeed locals and not particularly farang friendly. You need to find your own transportation in Pattaya from the bus station, and likely wait in the back of a baht bus to fill up only to be dropped a decent walk from your hotel. Did I mention it can he hot as hell or raining like crazy?
Taken all together: for slightly more money, door to door service, and always in aircon; Bell Travel Service can't be beat. Or you can pay triple the price and arrange for a private taxi.
SL.
I have done this trip both ways just to experience it.
You pay your own way to Ekkamai either by taxi or lugging your luggage on and off the BTS. You wait for the bus in a non-aircon station. The folks on the bus are indeed locals and not particularly farang friendly. You need to find your own transportation in Pattaya from the bus station, and likely wait in the back of a baht bus to fill up only to be dropped a decent walk from your hotel. Did I mention it can he hot as hell or raining like crazy?
Taken all together: for slightly more money, door to door service, and always in aircon; Bell Travel Service can't be beat. Or you can pay triple the price and arrange for a private taxi.
SL.A private taxi is the quickest, most convenient and most expensive mode of transportation to and from Pattaya and Bangkok. For newbies who aren't adventurous or experienced travelers, this might be best.
Bell Travel Service is great if you're going to and from the Bangkok airport to Pattaya, but it was a miserable for me when I went from Pattaya to my Bangkok hotel. The Bell Travel van had to make numerous stops at Pattaya hotels to pick up passengers. It then went to its local Pattaya terminal to pick up more passengers. After loading as many passengers as possible, the Bell Travel van headed to the Bangkok airport to drop off passengers. From the airport, the Bell Travel van made numerous stops at different hotels throughout Bangkok to drop off passengers. My hotel on Soi 4 was the last stop. With Bangkok's notorious traffic jam, I spent more than 8 hours on the Bell Travel van. My bladder was on the verge of busting. I was not happy that I wasted an entire day riding in a van.
After that experience, if I travel to and from hotels in Pattaya and Bangkok, I take the bus. When I'm in Pattaya, I always ask the hotel to arrange a private taxi or the hotel car to take me to the Pattaya bus terminal. I can't remember the cost, but it wasn't too expensive and easier than hauling my luggage on and off a baht bus. In Bangkok, the Ekkamai bus station is perfectly located to take the BTS, but this only works if your Bangkok hotel is located near a BTS station and you don't have lots of luggage. For me, this is the cheapest, quickest, and safest way between Pattaya and Bangkok.
Crazy house:
Dress: Nude.
Lady Drinks: 330? Didn't realize it was so expensive.
ST: 3000.
LT: 6000.
BF: 700.330 is the price of 2 lady drinks being a tequila and a coke. It is possible to buy the lady a single drink and I do.
ST and LT prices are not fixed in stone. Negotiation is possible. I have not paid as high as 6 K for a LT although it is quite a while since I took a LT. So I was not even aware girls are asking that much.
Some top girls have strong negotiating power because they get called and BFed by customers fairly quickly. However not all girls are that popular.
Some have experienced a decline in popularity, and may reduce there prices. I have been able to get to Jane more frequently this year than previous years. She actually even gets on the dance floor sometimes meaning is not pre BFed every day. I can get Oom or Jun no problem if they are working. All 3 are skinny girls relatively flat chested. Big tits is not important for me. Some girls with big tits are not that pretty.
I normally need more than 1 hour for my ST. At least 90 minutes for me. Some ST Hotels will charge double the normal price for anything over 1 hour and up to 2 hours. No good!
Asoke Place is better. They have a special Friday and Saturday night price for 2 hours of something like 500 Baht instead of 350. However for at least Monday through Thursday (perhaps also Sunday), they are not busy and so they allow up to 2 hours for 350 Baht. As I need more than an hour typically, I will try to do it nights other than Friday and Saturday. I have received the 1 hour phone call previously on a busy night, to say my time is up. I will book longer in future. Last night was Thursday night and they were not busy.
So this maybe an indicator that there is far more barfining of girls on a Friday or Saturday. Maybe not. There is clearly far more BFing of ladyboys by Koreans and Japanese on a Friday or Saturday, since see so many of those at Asoke Place ST Hotel on a busy night. I assume the Asian guys are too shy to take the LBs home.
Any place that won't give a decent price for 90 minutes, then they lose my business. There is a choice of ST Hotels. My average price for 2 hours at Asoke Place is going to be pretty good. Atlas Hotel Soi 7/1 is now struck off my list (as 2 hours is double 1 hour charge), and am using a place opposite Di Place (same sub Soi) over at Nana.
Member #4591
04-21-17, 07:52
Crazy House had a lot of girls tonight including some new ones, but I was only in the mood for my regulars or a stunner, so left. Jun, Jane, and Oom, all not there.
Stopped in doll house. Some girls sort of nude but wearing fishnet stuff. A couple of the Coyote girls were looking okay I quickly learned they are 1000 Baht BF. Later learned that gets you only ST unless you BF after midnight. Anyway found a cutie upstairs and BFed her later. At first just went for her very cute face (very cute small nose) but later realised she very nice high 19 YO tits, initially covered. Probably a good Bcup, not quite a real Ccup.
Turned out to be a pretty good fuck with DFK. Normally I hate to choose covered up bar girls. Quite a risk. I intend to ask girls to expose themselves a bit before taking the plunge. I did get a bit of a look at how nice her tits were before BFing.
To BF the coyote girls before midnight for a LT booking will cost 2K ouch. I won't be doing that. Stupid rules at Doll House.
In another bar (Corner Bar) there is an ex favourite waitress of mine that wants me to BF her. She is a bit over dressed, so I wonder how to discover what her figure is really like first. I could ask her to send me some risque pics, or take her out the back and ask to see her tits and belly, LOL, or any suggestions? She probably has kids. No idea how many. I think her tits are not at all small but no clue how saggy etc. Will the belly have bad railway tracks? will the ass be horrible? I don't really know. Being realistic, her body won't be super, but just how bad could it be? A bit risk averse with bargirls. This is why I always liked the nudie bars. I can tolerate a medium standard body on a skinny girl, but hate to waste a BF for a really crap body. I have got used to fucking girls with pretty good bodies. Don't know if dick will even rise for a crap body.Thanks again. Another great report.
Bell Travel Service is great if you're going to and from the Bangkok airport to Pattaya, but it was a miserable for me when I went from Pattaya to my Bangkok hotel. The Bell Travel van had to make numerous stops at Pattaya hotels to pick up passengers. It then went to its local Pattaya terminal to pick up more passengers. After loading as many passengers as possible, the Bell Travel van headed to the Bangkok airport to drop off passengers. From the airport, the Bell Travel van made numerous stops at different hotels throughout Bangkok to drop off passengers. My hotel on Soi 4 was the last stop. With Bangkok's notorious traffic jam, I spent more than 8 hours on the Bell Travel van. My bladder was on the verge of busting. I was not happy that I wasted an entire day riding in a van.
If I made such a bad mistake, I would have just got off at the first Bangkok Hotel stop, or Airport, and caught a taxi from there. 8 hours is clearly ridiculous waste of time and discomfort. Good warning to others.
I have made the mistake of retuning from Koh Tao by boat to Chumporn (Chumpon) and then by bus from there. That bus trip was pretty horrific. Too far. Would not do that again. Was much cheaper than flight from Koh Samui, but a nightmare trip. Looks like Nok Air does fly to and from Chumpon, but only once per day, which may not be the most suitable time.
I suggest to anyone travelling in Thailand, you don't really want to be in a bus for very long hours, like Thai people do. Use cheap flight to far destinations, and even try to book a train when plane is not an option. Not applicable for Pattaya but that is really not so far compared to other places. I have used a taxi to Rayong for Koh Samet, and a minivan to Traat and Koh Chang with at least 5 people going. That was quite long enough but well under 8 hours.
Thanks again. Another great report.I try new things when regular girls not available. Unfortunately it's been a while since any girl got added to my regular list. Its tough to keep trying girls. LOL
My list of regular girls is getting so low. Down to 2 freelancers abd 3 semi regular bar girls. No MP girls. Need some.
On BTS I see Annies girl with an Indian or similar guy. She is trying hard for me not to spot her. Since I know her she is obviously not one of the fatty types. Looks real good. Probably breaking the rules so I won't name her.
Today will compare a Nuru massage to a Soapy. Could be better.
Okay, it wasn't really even a full night.*snip* I think he also overcharged me for the toll road (is it 25 baht or 75 baht?) he also charged me an extra 50 baht as an airport fee? The only plus was he took some back road ....*snip* .Sorry about the bad experience. A little homework and a notepad will help! But the toll is 75 THB and you are are required to pay a 50 THB airport charge, so he was not overcharging. And why in the world would you come to Bangkok late at night to turn around and go to Pattaya?
She actually even gets on the dance floor sometimes meaning is not pre BFed every day.I didn't realize there were ever any girls who were pre BFed every day. If a girl is pre BFed every day, how could you even know she worked there?
I didn't realize there were ever any girls who were pre BFed every day. If a girl is pre BFed every day, how could you even know she worked there?I probably say it wrongly. Some girls have been known to walk into CH with the customer, and then the BF is paid for this next night straight away. Girl may not get undressed and dance at all. Jane used to be habitually in this category not every single time, but often. So I probably had fancied her for over a year before got first opportunity to BF her. Had seen her dance very briefly on occasions. This year already took her at least twice. Still not often but always enjoyable.
She is in the semi raunchy category as a dancer. Not exceptionally shy but not totally wayward slutty either. Knows how to show off her ass and pussy in a sexy way. As one would expect for me, no surgeries. Just naturally cute almost no tits.
Today went looking for a girl, who told me on LINE App, that she now works at Angel Witch. When I said the name, they did not recognise it. Seems she works under an assumed name. I had to show them a Pic. Then they said okay That is Yaya, who I knew as a different name. Was absent tonight.
No matter I got to see Angel Witch first time for many years. The famous Angel Witch shows were not happening. That maybe because I left at 9. 30 PM. Angel Witch is a bit of a throw back to 15 years ago. The girls look like very old time bar girls. Almost no silicones and almost no nose jobs. Natural looks. Early was mostly slightly overweight girls for my taste but started to improve. Guys were steadily barfining girls, but not the two that I would have picked. Strange that the customers had different taste to me, or perhaps they just knew that these were the really good girls for performance. LOL I could visit again with more than one girl potentially hot enough for me, even they had clothes on, well actually quite a few were at least topless which helps a lot. It's easy to choose a girl with lovely tits. This bar still does reasonable business, although less customers than Twisters or Billboard.
Quick call at Twisters showed that overall much better bodies average standard than Angel Witch but few really pretty girls at Twisters today. Line up has been down since Songkran I believe. Certain girls missing.
I feeling of depression starts to overcome me. Apart for Angel Witch, bars are not what they used to be. I have only BFed a bar girl about 4 times for the year so far. I have done very few MP girls all up but have tried a few new girls, 2 soapy girls, and 2 Oily girls. All up I have not acquired any new must repeat girls for the year, or is there one. Soapies are definitely not what they used to be with massive levels of surgeries.
If I don't feel I should repeat, it indicates the girl is a bit too average, or normal standard. In which case, was she really worth doing at all, or I would be better off just waiting till my repeat girls are available. I know this seems to be a much different attitude to those that are more thrilled by trying new girls and bored with all their repeat girls.
Perhaps the number of girls that show real enthusiasm for their work has been dropping off in the modern day, or I just get less satisfied, and harder to please.
Looked in Biergarten Soi 7. around 10PM. Much the same as previous visits for me. Full of fat ladies and old ladies, at least very few slim young pretty girls indeed, that I probably did not spot even one. Low standard of girls or sub standard. Maybe wrong time of day. Never was a favourite place of mine. Talent outside Nana Hotel is looking better, especially if go there after midnight.
Decided to check Darling Line Up. Darling Soapy is now closed, just in case was not already announced. Site is fenced off. Probable redevelopment. Extension of the Korean Plaza? All the more reason to go to Ratchada, Petchburi, or Rama 9 Soapies.
Just recalled a funny announcement at Crazy House bar, in Thai to the girls. The Thai announcements can be easier to understand than the badly pronounced English announcements that I never understand. LOL They stated that girls should introduce themselves to the customers using their real nicknames, and not stupid made up names like Jenny, Lucy, etc. The reason is that customers enquire to management about when Lucy will be working, and management have never heard of that girl. It's much better if their Thai names are used, since they are often duplicated or could be 4 to 5 Nois, a few Leks, a few Naams, a few Nits, etc., and then there are the names that Farangs can't pronounce like Oom, Ooeey, Boom, Euay, Gaew, TaengMow, etc. O.K. I am trying to be a smartass, but perhaps customers ought to ask about the girl from her number. Even then numbers get reused too soon. Both my girls Oom and Noi lost their previous numbers from being away a couple of months.
My favourite girl had real name Bpaeng, but unlikely anyone could say it right, so she assumed the name Donut. Seemed sensible enough to me. If anyone asked when Donut would return, then management would have no clue anyway. Even Donut had no clue if she would return.
So it was all a stupid joke I thought. A combination of the girl's name together with her number as well would probably work out to identify the girl. So if I ask then about May-Lee No. 49, the best management can do is say that she has been gone for nearly a year now, or maybe it's more than a year, or if it's about Taeng Mo, they can say one of the Taeng Mos was working this Friday. Other one gone for a few months. Nikki No. 1 also gone for a few months. They will rarely have a clue if girl will ever return or when, or they can say Chocolat is on holidays (to have her baby) LOL. If I want news, including the secret gossip, I ask the gossip girls.
Member #4591
04-22-17, 06:46
For selected senior members.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3902-May-Seniors-Event
Hi gentlemen,
I will be in Bangkok first time in first week of may for an official work. I will be staying at Sheraton grande Sukhamvit.
My schedule is very busy hence I might be not having sufficient time to explore.
I am requesting help from you guys to share contact of girls for GFE experience and also economical in budget.
I have lot of heard about soapy massage also which people says worth to try at least once in life time.
I don't know when I will get next chance to visit Thailand or not.
Hence I am requesting you guys to kingly help me in this regards.
I am decent guy and knows how to respect the women.
Thank you in advance.
WeewillyWinkie
04-22-17, 14:36
Decided to check Darling Line Up. Darling Soapy is now closed, just in case was not already announced. Site is fenced off. Probable redevelopment. Extension of the Korean Plaza? What a shame, I always quite liked it. Had a much better line up when I went last November and always liked it.
I am requesting help from you guys to share contact of girls for GFE experience and also economical in budget.
I have lot of heard about soapy massage also which people says worth to try at least once in life time.
"Irfan" (just guessing your name LOL. From the well known cricketer. Okay I know these names are all too common).
I already recently recommended "Ocean" in Ratchada Soi 7 Alley for a very low budget Soapy experience at 1700 Baht plus drinks and tips if any (for early in the evening like 7PM to 8PM ideal not really late). You can get there by subway and walk, or by taxi, or even by motorcycle is possible.
Your Hotel is very close to Cowboy and Nana Plaza gogo bar areas, however those places will not be the cheapest for your budget. They don't like Cheap Charlies there too much, especially if they see you are staying at an expensive Hotel (the Sheraton). You should consider some of the massage parlors located between Sukhumvit Soi 24 and Soi 26, or Tulip for pornstars located just under ThongLor skytrain station. Also can try girls on the street of Nana Sukhumvit Soi 4, price 1000 to 1500 Baht.
Here are some shops where I hardly ever had a bad experience: Tulip, Snow White, Mango, Chrome Bar Nuru (was called Dr. BJ Nuru), Annies. It's not a cast iron guarantee but maybe better odds than most places. GFE is not guaranteed but should be not a complete write off. I can only recall ever one really bad girl at Annies and one at Tulip.
No one can guarantee you a GFE experience especially when on a low budget. Depends on the girl and whether she likes you.
Thai girls are very sensitive to body odours. Make sure you shower and clean very thoroughly, use a strong deodorant, and put on clean shirt, just before visiting Thai girls (not many hours earlier LOL). Not all guys realise when they start to have bad odours. Guys with body odour get to used to it, regardless of whether you are Indian, black guy, or any other type of Foreigner. Then when you are with a Thai girl you will have to take a shower again (even though you just had one a very short time ago). Indians in particular seem to have a reputation for not wanting to shower yet again, based on what girls gossip to me. I always take a shower at home, go to the girl, take another shower before the sex, sometimes together with the girl, and another shower after sex. Many showers per day is best. Its not like it's a hardship and the water and gel soap doesn't do me any harm.
In a Soapy Parlour, the girl will take a bath with you and clean you. You still should get cleaned before you depart your room in any case. I always do. I would be very embarrassed to turn up to anywhere, all sweaty and oily and horrible.
Member #4591
04-22-17, 17:08
Hi gentlemen,
I will be in Bangkok first time in first week of may for an official work. I will be staying at Sheraton grande Sukhamvit.
My schedule is very busy hence I might be not having sufficient time to explore.
I am requesting help from you guys to share contact of girls for GFE experience and also economical in budget.
I have lot of heard about soapy massage also which people says worth to try at least once in life time.
I don't know when I will get next chance to visit Thailand or not.
Hence I am requesting you guys to kingly help me in this regards.
I am decent guy and knows how to respect the women.
Thank you in advance.I'v checked your posts and you are always asking for help in the India thread and now here. Even in your home country you can't RTFF. Who in their right mind is going to give you personal contact numbers for girls they have seen? Anyways, you should hit the dating sites such as Thai Friendly or Badoo and make some contacts before you come. Also go to Soi Cowboy, it is very near your hotel. If you have a strict budget, then Thailand is not the place for you because Indians already have a bad reputation with Thai girls for being smelly and cheap. You will want to counter with clean clothes, cologne, and stop eating spicy food and curry for a few days so the smell stops coming out your pores. When you go to Soi Cowboy, dress business casual. Maybe even a nice black blazer with dress shoes and a white shirt. Your hotel is very nice so don't be a cheap Charlie. The prices for all ladies, independent or working in the go go bars are 2,000-3,500ST and 3,000-6,000 LT plus a bar fine of 700-1,000 Baht for either ST or LT. As Syggs said, you can find some street girls in your area at Nana car park for 1,000-1,500. If you can't afford these price options, then stay home.
Please watch this you tube video about picking up Thai girls in Bangkok for really cheap prices.
https://youtu.be/dPP9Ew_9WIk
Thank you all for the informative reports. I am seeking advice from the Bangkok experts. I will be in Bangkok in 2 weeks and will be coming with a lady who is bio sexual, she likes men and women and enjoy threesomes. She wants to do the hunting and find the right lady to join us. So, I have the following questions:
1. Can she go to the gogo bars in Nana or Cowboy and barfine the lady she likes?
2. What about clubs like MIXX, Spasso, OSKAR, Shock 39 , Levels, Ce La Vie and Bossy, are the ladies in there more excepting for threesome?
I appreciate your advice.
Thank you.
Thank you all for the informative reports. I am seeking advice from the Bangkok experts. I will be in Bangkok in 2 weeks and will be coming with a lady who is bio sexual, she likes men and women and enjoy threesomes. She wants to do the hunting and find the right lady to join us. So, I have the following questions:
1. Can she go to the gogo bars in Nana or Cowboy and barfine the lady she likes?
'bio-sexual" ROFLMAO. I guess you mean bi-sexual.
Yes there is no problem to for your lady to have fun playing with naked or semi-naked girls in a bar. She can simply ask which girls are fine to have sex with girls and guys. Some exist. I used to get girls from the lesbian show at Suzi Wong, and Bo was a true bi-sexual girl, unfortunately gone from the bar, and has a baby now.
No. 14 at Annies Massage is tomboy with short hair, but with lovely big tits and likes both guys and girls (if the girl is sexy feminine looking. She would not go for butch or tough looking girls most likely. I am guessing. Maybe she likes everything).
Be careful in selection since some girls say they are fine to be with another woman but won't actually do anything. So for me the lesbian show was evidence they liked to lick pussy okay.
Once a somewhat masculine looking big girl was a customer in Crazy House and playing up with the girls. I asked my girl whether that one was a regular? I was extremely surprised to be told that the customer was not a tomboy but was actually a western ladyboy (not very pretty one at all). Go figure! I can't work out why a ladyboy wants to play with naked girls. However it is allowed.
'bio-sexual" ROFLMAO. I guess you mean bi-sexual.
Yes there is no problem to for your lady to have fun playing with naked or semi-naked girls in a bar. She can simply ask which girls are fine to have sex with girls and guys. Some exist. I used to get girls from the lesbian show at Suzi Wong, and Bo was a true bi-sexual girl, unfortunately gone from the bar, and has a baby now.
No. 14 at Annies Massage is tomboy with short hair, but with lovely big tits and likes both guys and girls (if the girl is sexy feminine looking. She would not go for butch or tough looking girls most likely. I am guessing. Maybe she likes everything).
Be careful in selection since some girls say they are fine to be with another woman but won't actually do anything. So for me the lesbian show was evidence they liked to lick pussy okay.
Once a somewhat masculine looking big girl was a customer in Crazy House and playing up with the girls. I asked my girl whether that one was a regular? I was extremely surprised to be told that the customer was not a tomboy but was actually a western ladyboy (not very pretty one at all). Go figure! I can't work out why a ladyboy wants to play with naked girls. However it is allowed.Syzygies,
Thanks for the info, very helpful. Actually, my bi-sexual lady is very feminine, 179 cm in height, 48 kg, long hair with white pale skin. She makes heads turn around. She has been one of my regulars for a year or so. She likes feminine pretty girls. So I can trust her judgment to find someone we both like. I will send her to Suzi Wong and CH and wait for the surprise. Thanks again.
General info required.
It's been about 3 years since I last visited BKK, any info regarding CIS, good clubs, and if the BKK scene has changed in any way, also any TIPS on mongering would be appreciated. I have been searching on the site, but not picking up much. Has BKK died down a bit.
I do like the CIS more, but not the crowd from Grace area, used to visit CM2, before, heard its closed down.
IS MIXX, BKK still the same, has anything changed, any info and help would be appreciated. Current prices, LT, ST has the quality of the woman dropped.
Thanks.
Last time I checked Nana and Cowboy out, which was in September 2016, almost every girl I interviewed said ST is for 1 hour 1 pop, and LT is for 4 hours 2 pops.
Sounds ridiculous, because in my concept, LT means whole night, which should be at least 8 hours, perhaps?
Too ridiculous, so I did not take any girl from Gogobars. Instead, I stick with soapy bath massage parlors my whole last trip.
So, may I ask guys who constantly reported back that they took girls LT for whole night long, where and how you do that?
The LT=4 hours bullshit really made me upset and it was also one reason why I don't visit there again recent.OK this sucks massively. One of the reasons I've not been back to LOS in over 2 years is I noticed dropping standards and rising prices. I can now get better value sex in Eastern Europe which is also closer to home.
Generally speaking it should be that ST is one hour / one pop (whichever comes first), and LT is all night with one pop at night and one in the morning.
As ever, YMMV. I once had a girl I took LT from AngelWitch leave after 4 hours and 2 lengthy shags where I didn't come at all. Despite this being bad service I didn't object as I just wanted her to leave me alone to sleep by this point.
At the other end of the scale a few months earlier, I took a bar girl LT in Ko Samui and we had 2 extended fucking sessions at night. The next day she stayed in my room with me until 4 pm during which time we had another 3 sessions. There was chemistry between us that time.
Crocodilexp
04-23-17, 19:40
Generally speaking it should be that ST is one hour / one pop (whichever comes first), and LT is all night with one pop at night and one in the morning.
That's the absolute bare minimum.
Personally, I didn't mind a 1 shot ST when it cost 1000-1500 baht ($25-$40) all in, but if I'm paying in the vicinity of $100 for the privilege, I damn sure will have higher expectations and demand 2 pops within 90 minutes or so. Sure, service in Thailand has deteriorated, and prices have gone up, but the golden rule ("one who has the gold makes the rules") still applies, for those of us who have balls and aren't shy to state expectations in advance.
As for LT, it really should (and used to) mean all-night with as many cums as you can manage, though it's reasonable not to expect more than 3 pops.
The specified time with 1-shot sessions is a semi-scam, an average male cums in about 3-7 minutes, so one shot is actually 10 minutes of work, with the rest being ceremony. In low-end brothels for Thai guys, they normally give you just 30 min excluding the post-shower (slightly flexible, as it is Thailand after all), and punters rarely bump against the time limit. That's a bit more honest than advertising "1 hour" for what rarely takes that long.
Speaking of Eastern Europe, in some places it used to be that 1 hour actually meant 60 minutes (not just 1 pop), but I haven't mongered there in a long time.
Last time I checked Nana and Cowboy out, which was in September 2016, almost every girl I interviewed said ST is for 1 hour 1 pop, and LT is for 4 hours 2 pops.
It's lucky I haven't been asking for LT because it always meant till morning for me with a sex round on waking up. The reason girls are trying to trim this to 4 hours, although I have zero experience of this phenomenon, seems to me to be related to the very low price that some guys are trying to pay for it. Suppose a ST was rated at 2 K, how many extra hours do punters reckon they should get if they pay 3 K? Not so long, otherwise girls that can get multiple STs into a night will be losing money. The girl may well be able to find a different customer willing to pay 3 K for a ST.
I always expect all night for a LT, but am willing to pay the girl a more reasonable amount for it (provided I get my morning sex as well). If the girl absolutely has to leave at 6. 00 AM, then fine I can set the alarm for 5 am to get my final round of sex. I usually started my longtimes not much beyond 11 PM, and possibly earlier.
I can see that a late night disco pickup, all night remaining maybe only 4 hours. LOL I don't do that sort of thing.
In my experience, a lot of girls simply said they don't do long time. Obviously might be possible to change their mind for a really high fee, but initially they showed no interest in it at all.
It was very different 25 years ago, when bargirls always went with you for the whole night, and sometimes were still there at midday. Hence we used to have the expression "We pay the girls to leave". Sometimes we were eager to get rid of them so we could go do something else. My first cowboy girls cost me 500 Baht for the night plus some small BF. At the time that was about $25 for the night, I think. You just took a girl for the night every night. It was a no brainer. She was as cheap as the room or cheaper if room was expensive. I don't recall any of those girls being so poor a fuck as to kick them out. They all were fine. Never seemed to meet precious dick scared girls in those days. I guess that was because all the customers were Farangs and they were used to it.
Member #4591
04-24-17, 02:39
General info required.
It's been about 3 years since I last visited BKK, any info regarding CIS, good clubs, and if the BKK scene has changed in any way, also any TIPS on mongering would be appreciated. I have been searching on the site, but not picking up much. Has BKK died down a bit.
I do like the CIS more, but not the crowd from Grace area, used to visit CM2, before, heard its closed down.
IS MIXX, BKK still the same, has anything changed, any info and help would be appreciated. Current prices, LT, ST has the quality of the woman dropped.
Thanks.You obviously have not read.
It was very different 25 years ago, when bargirls always went with you for the whole night, and sometimes were still there at midday. Hence we used to have the expression "We pay the girls to leave". Sometimes we were eager to get rid of them so we could go do something else. I think we need to reassess that expression now that the scene is so altered by the advent of smartphones, Line and so on. Once I have exchanged Line IDs with a P4 P girl there doesn't seem to be such a thing as "leave" exactly. LOL. "Leave" emotionally, that is. Maybe this is more particular to those of us who live here.
Even if our first outing is a simple ST she is within the hour wishing me a "good night, sweet dreams, miss you!" with a half-dozen stickers on Line. More often than not by midday the next day she is already pestering me for another meeting (which I might very well agree to), continues the pestering on a daily and nightly basis and so it goes for weeks or months. Before smartphones and Line, I never had this much post-sex attention and pestering from a REAL girlfriend. You know, the ones we used to say we were tied to emotionally and what a relief it was to partake of P4 P because "We pay the girls to leave. " Ah, the good ol' days.
I suspect a lot of the new "ST only" girls are in the same boat as I am (we are). They have so many Line contacts to go visit in order to keep all the dishes spinning, they must double and triple book. By the time you have emerged from the post-coitus / post-ST shower, she has fielded 10 invites from interested punters looking to see her in the next hour. Which is fine with me since I (we) have likely been fielding as many pleas from P4 P girls, dating site girls, shop girls and waitresses to come over for the night and now I am free to say, "Sure, come on over. ".
I know this doesn't address the cost factor. But in a way it does when you live here since, again thanks to smartphones and Line, there are always several girls who cycle through who aren't P4 P directly and actually cost very little.
It was very different 25 years ago, when bargirls always went with you for the whole night, and sometimes were still there at midday. Hence we used to have the expression "We pay the girls to leave". It is still like that many times in Cambodia. Especially in Sihanoukville. 10 dollar BF and 30 dollar to the girl. Like in Thailand before.
You know, the ones we used to say we were tied to emotionally and what a relief it was to partake of P4 P because "We pay the girls to leave. " Ah, the good ol' days.
I suspect a lot of the new "ST only" girls are in the same boat as I am (we are). They have so many Line contacts to go visit in order to keep all the dishes spinning, they must double and triple book. In the good old days, I had paid this girl Bua to leave. I had made the mistake of treating her too good, for a very low class girl, for more than one day. I was bored with her, so the next night I got a girl from somewhere else and new girl was staying with me till morning. In the morning, there is a knock on my door. Bua has showed up (with tears). I am not going to answer the door and let Bua come in since there is another girl in my bed. Whoops, time to change Hotels, and no more visits for Bua. Bua had a good body, good tits, average face, and did BB too easily.
So there are benefits to girls messaging first. LOL I probably have far too few girls pestering me for sex. I can ignore the messages if necessary. Some girls suggest a meeting, and then don't go through with it, so yes you have to suspect they have lots of alternative things to choose from at the moment. One girl said that I did not answer her message immediately (I answered 12 minutes later) so she invited her mother over instead for Songkran (yeh right). Some girls keep on saying tomorrow. I can play the tomorrow game too. You get a feel quickly for which girls are reliable.
Will go to Thai for about 9 days.
1) not sure how to split between Bangkok and Pattaya for 9 days.
Want to tour around in the day and enjoy nightlife at night.
Which one has more selections (of girls) and more fun?
2) soapy massage parlor. Which one would you recommend?
When is the best time to go (early evening? Late afternoon? Sunday, or Thur. Etc.)?
3) Nana plaza vs. Soi Cowboy, which one better? Any bars do you recommend?
Generally, what is the price (bar fine, LT, ST)?
4) Is there an option like love motel / hotel by hour?
The following one seems to be guest friendly. I am interested in it since it is away from the busy Suk st and I hope I can have a good sleep at night.
The joiner policy: is it 1 guest / night or 1 guest / stay (maybe the former)?
Citadines Sukhumvit 8 Bangkok.
5) I read a lot of scams about the Thai Taxi drivers. Generally how much do you pay from Nana / Cowboy to hotel (less than 1 mi)?
For me, first time to Thai, but more experience with Tijuana, MX. Are they similar?
Thanks a lot!
Member #4591
04-24-17, 12:52
Admin has deleted the thread in the user blog section that this post was linked to for reasons I can't comprehend. I'm not charging any fee myself, it will just be a group of guys going out to Merci. I have checked the posting guidelines and no rule was broken however, I must respect Jackson's wishes as it is his website. Please feel free to PM me for details but there will be no thread to post suggestions for the event in. Just a quick disclaimer. PMs can only be sent by Senior members or regular members with a paid subscription. However this event is open to Senior members only. Happy mongering to all.
Oh, if this post gets deleted, then I will not be posting again about the event but instead will send out a few invites to fill any remaining spots by PM to Senior members.
You obviously have not read.He admits "having not picked up much". LOL.
Member #4591
04-24-17, 15:39
He admits "having not picked up much". LOL.It's strange that pricing is one of his questions and we were just discussing ST and LT pricing. He didn't even need to look past the 1st page LOL.
Admin has deleted the thread in the user blog section that this post was linked to for reasons I can't comprehend. I'm not charging any fee myself, it will just be a group of guys going out to Merci. I have checked the posting guidelines and no rule was broken however, I must respect Jackson's wishes as it is his website. Please feel free to PM me for details but there will be no thread to post suggestions for the event in. Just a quick disclaimer. PMs can only be sent by Senior members or regular members with a paid subscription. However this event is open to Senior members only. Happy mongering to all.
Oh, if this post gets deleted, then I will not be posting again about the event but instead will send out a few invites to fill any remaining spots by PM to Senior members.Perhaps it was seen as trying to set up a little exclusive forum within a forum. The problem was asking guys not to post there, except when meeting special criteria, IMHO.
I have been in trouble for supposedly discouraging other posters from making a post, where I merely observed that the English was so bad, it came incomprehensible, and objective of the post could not be discerned as being relevant to the thread in any way whatsoever. Of course I knew full well the persons concerned would not be discouraged from posting at all. I just wanted them to use understandable simple sentences.
However I learned that supposedly trying to prevent someone from posting was a major sin, no matter how incomprehensible their post may be.
Will go to Thai for about 9 days.
No one can say what is best for you. Be flexible and try everything.
Many of your questions have been answered before. E. g. Short Time Hotels. If you don't know the price use a taxi on the meter. Do not talk to taxi drivers that approach you on foot (I ignore them completely), just wave to a taxi that is driving past on the move, and tell him your hotel. If he says yes, then can get in. If he says 200 baht, then just wave him on. Once a taxi driver gets out of his car, he is automatically marked as "to be avoided" unless it is to stow your luggage. Do not tell them where you are going. It's only your business. Do not argue with them. Be silent, be resolute. Assume they are madmen not worth giving the time of day to.
Disobey this rule and you will get ripped off, for certain. Maybe it's better to learn from mistakes. Even Thai people getting off a bus at the bus terminal get ripped off by taxi drivers approaching them on foot. You are in a position of weakness to bargain with anyone unless you are certain of the correct price. I go by meter unless I know the price. I also watch Google Maps to ensure that driver is selecting a reasonable route without circumnavigating the entire Bangkok. Google Maps knows alternative routes.
If really desperate, call a taxi company or use one of the Taxi Apps on smartphone. I don't bother myself, certainly not for short distances. Catching a taxi outside the Nana Plaza is not a good place. They cannot turn right into Sukhumvit road. Better to cross Sukhumvit road by foot first, if heading East.
1) not sure how to split between Bangkok and Pattaya for 9 days.
Citadines Sukhumvit 8 Bangkok.
!Citadines is way off the beaten path, I wouldn't stay there, too far to walk. I'd recommend Nana hotel or Majestic suites, you can walk to nana in under a minute with either of those two places. If you go to Pattaya I'd recommend Baywalk Residence for its location. If I only had 9 days I'd pick one area and stick with it, too much to see and do in both cities.
Citadines is way off the beaten path, I wouldn't stay there, too far to walk. I'd recommend Nana hotel or Majestic suites, you can walk to nana in under a minute with either of those two places. If you go to Pattaya I'd recommend Baywalk Residence for its location. If I only had 9 days I'd pick one area and stick with it, too much to see and do in both cities.There is a good chance Nana Hotel and Majestic Suites are sold out.
Other recommendations:
Petal's Inn Soi 4 1450 Baht.
Double One Soi 11 1500 Baht.
On8 at nana BTS approx. 2000 Baht or slightly less.
Citadines 8 is about 1750 Baht. It's only about 500 m to Nana BTS, although 1 km to Nana Plaza, so Breadman is no doubt concentrating on that.
Personally I prefer not to be at Nana Hotel with hookers and ladyboys outside the hotel all evening.
Biggusdickus
04-24-17, 23:10
Recently, I went to one of nana place's popular bars and had a few cokes. I was not really into barfining, and obviously I was such a bad customer that I even got angry glances from a male (waiter every fifteen minutes, when I hadn't finished my coke yet. When I was on the verge of leaving I noticed a girl being fondled and kissed on the back bench beside me. The guy had his hands everywhere, and she let him explore her body quite freely. This and her rather small but well shaped tits caught my attention, and I started to wish the girl was sitting on my lap instead of his. The girl and me even exchanged a few glances, and I repeatedly smiled and nodded at her, making it obvious that I wanted to share her company. But their interaction was so intense that I was sure they would be leaving together any minute. Alas, I was wrong, the guy paid and left. My neighbour to my right looked as if he had liked what he had seen, too, so I made haste signalling to the girl to come over. I always like to invite girls of which I already know they are not shy.
When she arrived she took her place on my knees, pressing her body against mine and my hands against her naked boobs. She started moving on me, and we started caressing and kissing each other. A few tequilas were ordered, and a few good old body shots followed. Her nipples seemed to like the attention I paid them. Soon our tongues were entwined, and when not engaged in friendly fighting they went exploring each others necks and ears. The action got both of us quite excited, and I had to open the zipper of my shorts to give my little friend some space to breathe. Soon her index finger started to circle around the eye of my one eyed trouser snake, then she grabbed my shaft fully in her hand. I got my revenge by checking if her juices had started to flow already, and she let me explore her fountain very thoroughly. I opened the zipper of my shorts even more and managed to put my little friend between her slip and the skin beneath it. She didn't realize what I had done at first but when she did, she burst out in laughter and couldn't stop it. By that time I was so horny that I lost the last bit of my usual inhibitions, probably also thanks to several gin tonics and all the body shots that I continued to lick from her breasts and nipples. All I could think of was that I wanted to get inside her. Since she was sitting with her back to me I had to push and press my little friend forward until its tip entered the gate to her paradise. To my surprise she didn't resist my attack but rather helped me by slightly lifting herself a bit off my lap, thus giving me better access and inviting me in. She then went on bouncing up and down on me, the way she and other girls had done and often do on the closed trousers of many a customer. Sometimes we went slow, sometimes we went on it more energetically, and at the same time I could watch the shows on the stage in front of me while enjoying our own private amusement. Of course the waitress noticed what was going on, and her silence had to be bought with a few more drinks. Over the following two hours my girl left me a few times for visits to the toilet but I always managed to get back in when she returned. Finally I pulled out and came on her back, covered and protected from view by my own shirt.
She didn't even ask me to barfine her after the deed was done because she probably guessed that I would need some time to recharge. So I got all that fun for the price of a few drinks for her and our waitress. My best evening in a nana bar ever turned out to be one of the cheapest there, too. It goes without saying that I came back the next night and rewarded her (and treated myself) by paying her barfine.
Unfortunately I didn't ask for her phone number but I found her pic on the website of the bar. Hopefully it will help me to find her again on my next trip to Bangkok!
Member #4591
04-24-17, 23:49
Recently, I went to one of nana place's popular bars and had a few cokes. I was not really into barfining, and obviously I was such a bad customer that I even got angry glances from a male (waiter every fifteen minutes, when I hadn't finished my coke yet. When I was on the verge of leaving I noticed a girl being fondled and kissed on the back bench beside me. The guy had his hands everywhere, and she let him explore her body quite freely. This and her rather small but well shaped tits caught my attention, and I started to wish the girl was sitting on my lap instead of his. The girl and me even exchanged a few glances, and I repeatedly smiled and nodded at her, making it obvious that I wanted to share her company. But their interaction was so intense that I was sure they would be leaving together any minute. Alas, I was wrong, the guy paid and left. My neighbour to my right looked as if he had liked what he had seen, too, so I made haste signalling to the girl to come over. I always like to invite girls of which I already know they are not shy.
When she arrived she took her place on my knees, pressing her body against mine and my hands against her naked boobs. She started moving on me, and we started caressing and kissing each other. A few tequilas were ordered, and a few good old body shots followed. Her nipples seemed to like the attention I paid them. Soon our tongues were entwined, and when not engaged in friendly fighting they went exploring each others necks and ears. The action got both of us quite excited, and I had to open the zipper of my shorts to give my little friend some space to breathe. Soon her index finger started to circle around the eye of my one eyed trouser snake, then she grabbed my shaft fully in her hand. I got my revenge by checking if her juices had started to flow already, and she let me explore her fountain very thoroughly. I opened the zipper of my shorts even more and managed to put my little friend between her slip and the skin beneath it. She didn't realize what I had done at first but when she did, she burst out in laughter and couldn't stop it. By that time I was so horny that I lost the last bit of my usual inhibitions, probably also thanks to several gin tonics and all the body shots that I continued to lick from her breasts and nipples. All I could think of was that I wanted to get inside her. Since she was sitting with her back to me I had to push and press my little friend forward until its tip entered the gate to her paradise. To my surprise she didn't resist my attack but rather helped me by slightly lifting herself a bit off my lap, thus giving me better access and inviting me in. She then went on bouncing up and down on me, the way she and other girls had done and often do on the closed trousers of many a customer. Sometimes we went slow, sometimes we went on it more energetically, and at the same time I could watch the shows on the stage in front of me while enjoying our own private amusement. Of course the waitress noticed what was going on, and her silence had to be bought with a few more drinks. Over the following two hours my girl left me a few times for visits to the toilet but I always managed to get back in when she returned. Finally I pulled out and came on her back, covered and protected from view by my own shirt.
She didn't even ask me to barfine her after the deed was done because she probably guessed that I would need some time to recharge. So I got all that fun for the price of a few drinks for her and our waitress. My best evening in a nana bar ever turned out to be one of the cheapest there, too. It goes without saying that I came back the next night and rewarded her (and treated myself) by paying her barfine.
Unfortunately I didn't ask for her phone number but I found her pic on the website of the bar. Hopefully it will help me to find her again on my next trip to Bangkok!Wow, great story. I can see it now, many will be there looking for her.
Wolvenvacht
04-25-17, 07:51
Will go to Thai for about 9 days.
1) not sure how to split between Bangkok and Pattaya for 9 days.
Want to tour around in the day and enjoy nightlife at night.
Which one has more selections (of girls) and more fun?Without any doubt, Pattaya has more girls. But that is not saying much. Even I you limit yourself to a few bars in Bangkok only you will already be provided with enough choice to last your whole 9 days and still be spoilt for choice.
Which one is more fun? That we cannot answer. For pure mongering fun, go to Pattaya. If you want to mix P4P with other stuff, go to Bangkok. Best chioice is to mix both places. It is only a few hours driving from Bangkok to Pattaya. So why not first spend a few days in Bangkok and then go to Pattaya to finish the last few days?
2) soapy massage parlor. Which one would you recommend?
When is the best time to go (early evening? Late afternoon? Sunday, or Thur. Etc.)?I like Annies, but YMMV. Check the Bangkok massage threads. As to timing; all times and all days.
3) Nana plaza vs. Soi Cowboy, which one better? Any bars do you recommend?Again, YMMV, but I prefer Soi Cowboy. I like Suzie Wong gogo club. I don't like Baccara.
Generally, what is the price (bar fine, LT, ST)?Barfine was 600 baht last time I was there (October 2016). LT was between 3500 and 4000 baht then in Suzie Wong. I never take ST, so I don't know.
4) Is there an option like love motel / hotel by hour?Yes, the girls will know where. I never used these hotels though. Much more convenient to bring her to your hotel.
The following one seems to be guest friendly. I am interested in it since it is away from the busy Suk st and I hope I can have a good sleep at night.
The joiner policy: is it 1 guest / night or 1 guest / stay (maybe the former)?
Citadines Sukhumvit 8 Bangkok.I like Citadines, but I use Citadines 23 which is quiet and very close to Soi Cowboy. As long as you book a room for 2 they don't mind if your companion changes every time.
Don't go to Nana Hotel! It is overpiced and bad quality.
5) I read a lot of scams about the Thai Taxi drivers. Generally how much do you pay from Nana / Cowboy to hotel (less than 1 mi)I usually walk that distance. Walking is probably faster than taking a taxi as that road is always jammed. I was never scammed by a taxi driver. Just insist he uses the taxi-meter and you'll be OK.
From Nana to Soi Cowboy you can also use the Skytrain (BTS).
3) For me, first time to Thai, but more experience with Tijuana, MX. Are they similar?
Thanks a lot! I have never been to Mexico, so I don't know.
So why not first spend a few days in Bangkok and then go to Pattaya to finish the last few days?
I like Annies, but YMMV. Check the Bangkok massage threads. As to timing; all times and all days.
I like Citadines, but I use Citadines 23 which is quiet and very close to Soi Cowboy. As long as you book a room for 2 they don't mind if your companion changes every time.
I usually walk that distance. Walking is probably faster than taking a taxi as that road is always jammed. I was never scammed by a taxi driver. Just insist he uses the taxi-meter and you'll be OK.
From Nana to Soi Cowboy you can also use the Skytrain (BTS).
Have to disagree on a few things. Try Pattaya early either straight away or after just one or two nights in Bangkok. If you don't like Pattaya, come back to Bangkok. If you love Pattaya, stay there. Don't book everything too far in advance.
For Soapies in general, I would say 6. 30 PM or 7. 00 PM is best. Annies is best after 5 PM.
I doubt you will choose Citadines Soi 23. I hated it. I recall Tansak panning it and I tried it anyway. Hard beds and unhelpful staff poor breakfast options. He was right. My GF did not like it either (a few years back now). Plenty of better options in the area. Perhaps okay If you love a hard bed. I don't recall any other guys suggesting Citadines 23, possibly the worst of the Citadines Hotels. I thought nearby Admiral Premier was easily superior or Mermaid, or Silq Soi 19, or Fx Soi 21. So many other options.Still to be fair, Booking.com gives Citadines 23 an 8.3 very Good rating. Surprises me. Maybe they improved, but I bet the beds are still hard.
If don't want to walk from Nana to Cowboy, take a motorcycle for 60 Baht (or Taxi from Suk Soi 5). Taxi from Nana Plaza not a great option. Sky train would be silly, since you have too much walking to get to and from skytrain anyway, plus wait for train and could be crowded. I take a motorcycle regularly since it is so quick, even though 60 Baht is a slight ripoff price. Sometimes walk as takes only 15 minutes. Taxi should take much longer than 15 minutes if taken from Nana Plaza, simply because it cannot turn right into Sukhumvit. Motorcycle is a far better option.
Have to disagree on a few things. Try Pattaya early either straight away or after just one or two nights in Bangkok. If you don't like Pattaya, come back to Bangkok. If you love Pattaya, stay there. Don't book everything too far in advance.
For Soapies in general, I would say 6. 30 PM or 7. 00 PM is best. Annies is best after 5 PM.
I doubt you will choose Citadines Soi 23. I hated it. I recall Tansak panning it and I tried it anyway. Hard beds and unhelpful staff poor breakfast options. He was right. My GF did not like it either (a few years back now). Plenty of better options in the area. Perhaps okay If you love a hard bed. I don't recall any other guys suggesting Citadines 23, possibly the worst of the Citadines Hotels. I thought nearby Admiral Premier was easily superior or Mermaid, or Silq Soi 19, or Fx Soi 21. So many other options.Still to be fair, Booking.com gives Citadines 23 an 8.3 very Good rating. Surprises me. Maybe they improved, but I bet the beds are still hard.
If don't want to walk from Nana to Cowboy, take a motorcycle for 60 Baht (or Taxi from Suk Soi 5). Taxi from Nana Plaza not a great option. Sky train would be silly, since you have too much walking to get to and from skytrain anyway, plus wait for train and could be crowded. I take a motorcycle regularly since it is so quick, even though 60 Baht is a slight ripoff price. Sometimes walk as takes only 15 minutes. Taxi should take much longer than 15 minutes if taken from Nana Plaza, simply because it cannot turn right into Sukhumvit. Motorcycle is a far better option.Totally agree. Pattaya can be a hit or a miss, I really never liked it. Also citadines 23 is really bad, I have stayed at the Citadines in London and expected this to be a good one however was highly disappointed, the shower did not even fit me properly, forget the girl fitting there with you, the distance is less agreed. However the place is bad. Try something else. I recommend the Legacy suites on Soi 29, Novotel on Soi 20 or even the holiday inn on Soi 26,5 minutes walk but worth it. Taxi from Soi cowboy to Nana is not more than 50 baht, if you take a taxi by meter, however after 10 pm mostly the drivers know you are a punter and they will never agree by meter, offer them 80-100 and they will instantly agree. 30-50 baht here and there should not really be a bother.
Thankyou all for suggestion.
Really appreciate it.
It is less than 1' from Nana to cowboy. Actually, I run several mi everyday. It is a piece of cake for me since I also prefer t walk a lot. But I doubt if the bar girl would walk that far. Do you also walk all the way to your hotel with your girl?
Just booked petals inn (maybe quiet to be away from the main Rd). Seems more people prefer Cowboy to Nana. Will see.
When you negotiate it with the girl, say, ST 90 min. Does it start from the moment you step out of the bar or arrival at yr hotel?
Do you pay before or after service? Got poor experience at Tijuana here, some girls got poor manner once they got money.
I've budget for a decent hotel for the trip. , but not interested in a too fancy one. I just hope it is Quiet and Clean (good rest) and fairly close.
Have to disagree on a few things. Try Pattaya early either straight away or after just one or two nights in Bangkok. If you don't like Pattaya, come back to Bangkok. If you love Pattaya, stay there. Don't book everything too far in advance.
For Soapies in general, I would say 6. 30 PM or 7. 00 PM is best. Annies is best after 5 PM.
I doubt you will choose Citadines Soi 23. I hated it. I recall Tansak panning it and I tried it anyway. Hard beds and unhelpful staff poor breakfast options. He was right. My GF did not like it either (a few years back now). Plenty of better options in the area. Perhaps okay If you love a hard bed. I don't recall any other guys suggesting Citadines 23, possibly the worst of the Citadines Hotels. I thought nearby Admiral Premier was easily superior or Mermaid, or Silq Soi 19, or Fx Soi 21. So many other options.Still to be fair, Booking.com gives Citadines 23 an 8.3 very Good rating. Surprises me. Maybe they improved, but I bet the beds are still hard.
If don't want to walk from Nana to Cowboy, take a motorcycle for 60 Baht (or Taxi from Suk Soi 5). Taxi from Nana Plaza not a great option. Sky train would be silly, since you have too much walking to get to and from skytrain anyway, plus wait for train and could be crowded. I take a motorcycle regularly since it is so quick, even though 60 Baht is a slight ripoff price. Sometimes walk as takes only 15 minutes. Taxi should take much longer than 15 minutes if taken from Nana Plaza, simply because it cannot turn right into Sukhumvit. Motorcycle is a far better option.
My best evening in a nana bar ever Congrats, such a sexy session. This is the type of play I love myself.
Wolvenvacht
04-25-17, 19:29
I doubt you will choose Citadines Soi 23. I hated it. I recall Tansak panning it and I tried it anyway. Hard beds and unhelpful staff poor breakfast options. He was right. My GF did not like it either (a few years back now). Plenty of better options in the area. Perhaps okay If you love a hard bed. I don't recall any other guys suggesting Citadines 23, possibly the worst of the Citadines Hotels. I thought nearby Admiral Premier was easily superior or Mermaid, or Silq Soi 19, or Fx Soi 21. So many other options.Still to be fair, Booking.com gives Citadines 23 an 8.3 very Good rating. Surprises me. Maybe they improved, but I bet the beds are still hard.Yes the beds are still hard and that is exactly how I like them.
Soft beds as found in upper class hotels make my back ache. Also I find a hard bed better for making love.
I found the staff quite helpful, but indeed don't take the breakfast option. You have a kitchenette in your room, so it is easy to arrange your own breakfast.
Thankyou all for suggestion.
Really appreciate it.
It is less than 1' from Nana to cowboy. Actually, I run several mi everyday. It is a piece of cake for me since I also prefer t walk a lot. But I doubt if the bar girl would walk that far. Do you also walk all the way to your hotel with your girl?
Just booked petals inn (maybe quiet to be away from the main Rd). Seems more people prefer Cowboy to Nana. Will see.
When you negotiate it with the girl, say, ST 90 min. Does it start from the moment you step out of the bar or arrival at yr hotel?
Do you pay before or after service? Got poor experience at Tijuana here, some girls got poor manner once they got money.
I've budget for a decent hotel for the trip. , but not interested in a too fancy one. I just hope it is Quiet and Clean (good rest) and fairly close.Pay girl afterwards. Normally time starts in your room but you only get one pop unless you negotiate for more.
For some guys that could be less than 30 munutes. I take 90 minutes often but that is unusual. Girls don't want to just hang with you once you popped so could easily leave before 90 minutes.
Because I take so long, I am willing to pay not absolute lowest. I try to be fair without being ripped off.
Quite a few girls are happy to be my regulars because I am not too stingy.
Quite a few girls are happy to be my regulars because I am not too stingy.Money is the bottom line. Even the girl who was pissed off at me for not finishing in 2 hours and told me to fuck off a few weeks ago wanted to go home with me again just the other night. I won't likely take her again, but I would bet she would be happy to be my regular. I did buy her a few drinks and she gave me a nice crotch grinding dance in the bar. I normally buy these girls as many drinks as they want and give them 2500 for short time. Unless I am mistaken, I think that's pretty much the going rate in the go-gos these days. Or am I overpaying?
I like Citadines, but I use Citadines 23 which is quiet and very close to Soi Cowboy. As long as you book a room for 2 they don't mind if your companion changes every time..Have the girls that you barfined walked back to the citadines or did you have to use a taxi?
HorseTrader
04-25-17, 22:24
For me, first time to Thai, but more experience with Tijuana, MX. Are they similar?
I've been to Tijuana many times, but have only spent 3 weeks in Thailand. IMHO, they are not similar, I find Thailand much more enjoyable. More places to find more girls, lower prices, better service, longer time for the basic short time (ST) session, more kinds of places to meet girls, more slim girls, fewer heavy girls, cleaner people (shower before you meet, before sex, and after sex), never feel rushed, BBBJ is common, BBFS is sometimes offered, lower priced drinks for you and her, street girls (freelancers) are not locked into one particular filthy hotel, many more girls on stage than you will ever see in Tijuana, and never feel in danger from police or street thugs.
Tijuana might have a couple of advantages for some people. I never looked for it, but I never ran into a Thai girl that offered 200 peso quickies like the alley girls in Tijuana ($11 or 400 baht). In Thailand you need to be on careful outlook for ladyboys, they are everywhere in the Thailand hooker zones and in higher concentrations than on Ninos Heros in Tijuana.
Of course, it is a much different culture. I've always met nice people in TJ, but more nice people in Thailand.
If you like the look of Thai girls, you will surely enjoy your stay.
Totally agree. Pattaya can be a hit or a miss, I really never liked it...If you never liked Pattaya, I agree that it's better to stay away. But, to say that Pattaya can be a hit or a miss, is a bit of a stretch. For me, Pattaya is like shooting fish in a barrell.
This is posted differently in Tulip thread also (TBH).
Hi fellas,
I have a question which is perhaps not popular.
I am talking to one of the Tulip girls to join me for 2 days to Koh Samui, but she is asking for a lot of money for 2-3 BJs / day.
She started off with 13 K Baht / day, down to 10 K but nothing less.
I will have high expenses, and will stay at the Conrad. So that isn't cheap.
She is not willing to budge under 10 K / day.
Will someone tell me what is the typical rate you would pay for a top performer for her to travel out with you. Out of town?
And please do not give me a philosophical answer of it is what it is worth.
Thanks in advance!
This is posted differently in Tulip thread also (TBH).
Hi fellas,
I have a question which is perhaps not popular.
I am talking to one of the Tulip girls to join me for 2 days to Koh Samui, but she is asking for a lot of money for 2-3 BJs / day.
She started off with 13 K Baht / day, down to 10 K but nothing less.
I will have high expenses, and will stay at the Conrad. So that isn't cheap.
She is not willing to budge under 10 K / day.
Will someone tell me what is the typical rate you would pay for a top performer for her to travel out with you. Out of town?
And please do not give me a philosophical answer of it is what it is worth.
Thanks in advance!As I know, if take out lady from Tulip during weekdays is 3000 b / day or weekend is 5000 b to the shop. On top of that, depend how much extra the lady want to compensate her lost if not working.
As I know, if take out lady from Tulip during weekdays is 3000 b / day or weekend is 5000 b to the shop. On top of that, depend how much extra the lady want to compensate her lost if not working.Are those rates for ST or LT? And I suppose its for within BKK. What about out of BKK?
Banana Boi
04-26-17, 03:44
Maybe the girl already included the barfine in her price. Still high but not the worse if that's the case. Barfines can always be avoided if you go with the girl on their days off.
Are those rates for ST or LT? And I suppose its for within BKK. What about out of BKK?The rate is for 1 day, if the lady not showing for work, she need to pay shop that amount / day.
Crocodilexp
04-26-17, 06:26
I never looked for it, but I never ran into a Thai girl that offered 200 peso quickies like the alley girls in Tijuana ($11 or 400 baht).
It exists in the alleys of Chinatown and Khlong Lot. 200-600 baht quickies are the norm in that market segment. It's sketchy and awful of course, especially the under 500 baht ones, but not dangerous in terms of personal safety (STDs are a different matter).
Blanquiceleste
04-26-17, 06:38
Do you pay before or after service? Got poor experience at Tijuana here, some girls got poor manner once they got money.It has bee repeated ad nauseam on this thread (and others). DO NOT pay before the service. And pay the full agreed amount only if you have got ticks on all the items you asked for. And tip well if the service was good.
Blanquiceleste
04-26-17, 06:49
And please do not give me a philosophical answer of it is what it is worth.This might a philosophical response depending on how you view it, but frankly how does it matter? No matter what advice you get from board members on daily rates for a Tulip girl, what really matters is the price point your girl agrees to. The rest is simply noise.
That said 10 K a day sounds preposterous.
Crazy4Thai
04-26-17, 06:58
SNIP
That said 10 K a day sounds preposterous.Agreed. I have concluded that when I hear prices like that they really do not want to go with me. Not that he asked but this also ties into the recent discussion about the pros and cons of a multi-day adventure. There are so many opportunities all over Thailand that my own choice would be to just go find what I want when I get there. But that's just me. I don't even want LT any more since it has all changed so much.
This might a philosophical response depending on how you view it, but frankly how does it matter? No matter what advice you get from board members on daily rates for a Tulip girl, what really matters is the price point your girl agrees to. The rest is simply noise.
That said 10 K a day sounds preposterous.Agreed. I don't think I am going with this plan.
Agreed. I have concluded that when I hear prices like that they really do not want to go with me. Not that he asked but this also ties into the recent discussion about the pros and cons of a multi-day adventure. There are so many opportunities all over Thailand that my own choice would be to just go find what I want when I get there. But that's just me. I don't even want LT any more since it has all changed so much.On 2nd thoughts. I see your point, and will not plan to blow $$$ for someone who doesn't even fancy it.
As I know, if take out lady from Tulip during weekdays is 3000 b / day or weekend is 5000 b to the shop. On top of that, depend how much extra the lady want to compensate her lost if not working.It is probable that this money paid to Tulip in part of the 10 K, in which case her charge may not be so over the top.
Anyway, as Blanqui say, it purely depends on the particular girl and her situation, how much she needs to make. If it's too high for you, don't take her. It's unfortunate that so much money goes to the shop, but that is how it is.
She probably has bills to pay so she can't afford to loose money.
Around 2008 or so I took a Tulip girl away on holiday similar to Kho Samui, and had a great time. I paid the money for Tulip and for her separately or maybe she handled both amounts. Her fee was "up to you" but she trusted I would pay her properly having known me a long time, I am sure. So I tried to estimate how much she would make per day normally. Wasn't easy. Of course she had a good time too, so that was a factor in her accepting. Far less sex work than normal for her. Dining on great seafood, coral and tropical fish snorkelling etc., seeing the beautiful natural scenery things.
Have the girls that you barfined walked back to the citadines or did you have to use a taxi?In my experience it is like this; if the girl can see the hotel from her bar (or around the corner) she is willing to walk. If not. You have to go for.
A taxi or a bike. Thai people in general are lazy to walk. I once took a bar girl for visit to Europe (Scandinavia) and one of the biggest cultural.
Differences she noticed was that Europeans like to walk. Thai people try to avoid it. I guess the climate is a major reason. But bargirls often wear high heals.
And they are not suitable for long walks. Never had any problems with taxi; they are air conditioned, cheap and plentiful. A great service in Bangkok.
So people should not worry, just ask them to go by the meter. If they refuse, take the next taxi until you find someone that will.
If you never liked Pattaya, I agree that it's better to stay away. But, to say that Pattaya can be a hit or a miss, is a bit of a stretch. For me, Pattaya is like shooting fish in a barrell.Yes fine, however some people inexplicably don't like fish, or certainly not shooting them in a barrel (boring). By hit and miss, he means whether Pattaya as a whole is going to appeal to the guy, which surely depends on what the guy is looking for. I have certainly heard of guys who went to Pattaya and did not find anything impressive. Could be they had a very negative attitude to start with, who knows?
Have the girls that you barfined walked back to the citadines or did you have to use a taxi?Maybe you ask a rhetorical question, I am not sure.
From Cowboy, some girls would be prepared to walk to Citadines 23 (4 minutes walk), others are scared of the dark Soi 23. I would not ask a girl to walk it. I offer them a taxi and they can refuse it (suggest walking) if they want. I am thinking of Admiral Premier which is a similar distance or very slightly further (5 minutes walk maybe). The taxi will cost the minimum which is 40 Baht because it's so close, and most drivers are happy to make 40 Baht in less than 5 minutes work.
Many times I was taking two girls from Suzi Wong, to Admiral Premier in a taxi, sometimes even 3, to make the taxi full. Only 400 metres to get there and no traffic.
A vast difference from taking a girl from Nana Plaza to Citadines 8, which would very inconvenient indeed, even by taxi. He would have to walk the girl at least to Soi 3/1 or Soi 5 before catching a taxi, and even then it can't go direct.
So it's easy to see why you stay so close to Nana Plaza to avoid need for taxis altogether.
I prefer to stay in Hotels on the East side of Asoke / Ratchadaphisek, or North side of Sukumvit, mostly, to make things easier for me. Of course I visit Nana Plaza infrequently.
Yes fine, however some people inexplicably don't like fish, or certainly not shooting them in a barrel (boring). By hit and miss, he means whether Pattaya as a whole is going to appeal to the guy, which surely depends on what the guy is looking for. I have certainly heard of guys who went to Pattaya and did not find anything impressive. Could be they had a very negative attitude to start with, who knows?Attitude makes all the difference in this hobby. Cannot say that BKK or Pattaya are disappointments. They are just different. Both offer the punter a chance to punt and if lucky win big. I have been in both places many times and find them variable depending on nights and some days. Some times you strike gold and sometimes nothing really grabs your attention. That said, given what we have to put up with in our home countries I would take less in BKK and Pattaya anytime.
The mongering tour is fun just because it provides us with the chance that we may strike gold and even if we did not just the adventure is sometimes enough to make it all worthwhile. Whether it is easy or hard to "shoot fish" is not the point. It is about the chance to take aim and pull the trigger in the first place!
If you never liked Pattaya, I agree that it's better to stay away. But, to say that Pattaya can be a hit or a miss, is a bit of a stretch. For me, Pattaya is like shooting fish in a barrell.Oh, I would go even further than Citizen and count Pattaya for me as a likely "miss" and only rarely a "hit".
I was just there a few days ago and, on looks alone I am not sure I saw more than 10 girls out of hundreds hanging around the Soi 6 bars and in and out of the Walking Street bars that would rate higher than a Bangkok bargirl "7". And every one of them looked utterly bored as though they were over pampered princesses.
On the service performance level, my 4 most recent trips there on the hunt resulted in zero experiences I would walk across Sukhumvit Road and pay as little as 500 baht for much less travel 2-3 hours out of Bangkok to endure.
The only two trips to Paytaya over the past 5 years where I had great sex with lovely young ladies were the two times I went there with girls I originally met and got to know in Bangkok, as was the case a few days ago.
I used to much prefer Pattaya over Bangkok. That was 20-25 years ago. But I only bother to go there now when a friend wants me to go with them.
A vast difference from taking a girl from Nana Plaza to Citadines 8, which would very inconvenient indeed, even by taxi. He would have to walk the girl at least to Soi 3/1 or Soi 5 before catching a taxi, and even then it can't go direct.
So it's easy to see why you stay so close to Nana Plaza to avoid need for taxis altogether.Citadines Soi 8, as is the case with virtually every hotel further down Soi 8 beyond the second 7-11, has a private free tuk-tuk service on call 24 hours a day. I assume a smartphone call to it about 1 minute before you get to the corner of Sukhumvit and Soi 8 will result in it being there waiting for you and your girl before you get there. And then it will be right at the hotel entrance ready to deliver the two of you or only your girl back to that corner afterwards or the next morning.
So the only walking you and your Nana Plaza girl would have to do is the 7-8 minute walk from Nana Plaza to the corner of Sukhumvit and Soi 8.
Oh, I would go even further than Citizen and count Pattaya for me as a likely "miss" and only rarely a "hit".
I was just there a few days ago and, on looks alone I am not sure I saw more than 10 girls out of hundreds hanging around the Soi 6 bars and in and out of the Walking Street bars that would rate higher than a Bangkok bargirl "7". And every one of them looked utterly bored as though they were over pampered princesses.
On the service performance level, my 4 most recent trips there on the hunt resulted in zero experiences I would walk across Sukhumvit Road and pay as little as 500 baht for much less travel 2-3 hours out of Bangkok to endure.
The only two trips to Paytaya over the past 5 years where I had great sex with lovely young ladies were the two times I went there with girls I originally met and got to know in Bangkok, as was the case a few days ago.
I used to much prefer Pattaya over Bangkok. That was 20-25 years ago. But I only bother to go there now when a friend wants me to go with them.My point exactly I find the quality of girls in Pattaya very average, to each his own though, the saying goes parallel you pay more you get more, I am sure beach road is full of 500 be fucks, but if I am taking a 20 hour flight for maybe 6 days twice a year. I am not really looking at saving anything, I want the absolute best but at the same time I don't want to be ripped off.
I have found the quality and the service much better in Bangkok Visil a vis Pattaya, Phuket and want those 6 days to be memorable, I would not even want to waste one second of this precious time. In my opinion Bangkok provides much better experience maybe for a little bit more, but in greater scheme of things, it's the journey that counts.
Yes fine, however some people inexplicably don't like fish, or certainly not shooting them in a barrel (boring). By hit and miss, he means whether Pattaya as a whole is going to appeal to the guy, which surely depends on what the guy is looking for. I have certainly heard of guys who went to Pattaya and did not find anything impressive. Could be they had a very negative attitude to start with, who knows?You got me there, my point exactly. Pattaya has really never excited me, I was really never impressed, as a fellow monger I feel it's my duty to share rest it's up to to each one of us to experience for themselves. So happy hunting.
Maybe you ask a rhetorical question, I am not sure.
From Cowboy, some girls would be prepared to walk to Citadines 23 (4 minutes walk), others are scared of the dark Soi 23. I would not ask a girl to walk it. I offer them a taxi and they can refuse it (suggest walking) if they want. I am thinking of Admiral Premier which is a similar distance or very slightly further (5 minutes walk maybe). The taxi will cost the minimum which is 40 Baht because it's so close, and most drivers are happy to make 40 Baht in less than 5 minutes work.
I had a wingman stay at citadines 23, I walked to his hotel to check it out and agree that the street is very dark compared to others. I was just curious if anyone ever had girls walk down that street. I've stayed at the wellness residence which is right by the entrance to soi cowboy, location is fantastic but the rooms are dated.
I had a wingman stay at citadines 23, I walked to his hotel to check it out and agree that the street is very dark compared to others. I was just curious if anyone ever had girls walk down that street. I've stayed at the wellness residence which is right by the entrance to soi cowboy, location is fantastic but the rooms are dated.I did have just one or two girls walk that Soi at night with me. Very few indeed. There tend to be suspicious types hanging around at times.
Sois in that area beyond the Hotels mentioned were even reported as dangerous at night, however I have walked to 7 Eleven without any problems. You just watch what other people sighted are doing somewhat.
Dark back alleys with few people are never the best idea in Bangkok. It's not a totally safe place.
It is probable that this money paid to Tulip in part of the 10 K, in which case her charge may not be so over the top.
Anyway, as Blanqui say, it purely depends on the particular girl and her situation, how much she needs to make. If it's too high for you, don't take her. It's unfortunate that so much money goes to the shop, but that is how it is.
She probably has bills to pay so she can't afford to loose money.
Around 2008 or so I took a Tulip girl away on holiday similar to Kho Samui, and had a great time. I paid the money for Tulip and for her separately or maybe she handled both amounts. Her fee was "up to you" but she trusted I would pay her properly having known me a long time, I am sure. So I tried to estimate how much she would make per day normally. Wasn't easy. Of course she had a good time too, so that was a factor in her accepting. Far less sex work than normal for her. Dining on great seafood, coral and tropical fish snorkelling etc., seeing the beautiful natural scenery things.Thanks bud! Totally makes sense. And also tells me that I am not insane for planning to take a Tulip girl out to a good holiday. A respectable senior has been there, done that.
I am re-evaluating my priorities since I don't think I want to blow at least 800 US $ on a single girl for 2 days. Not worth it any which way you look at it!
Thanks bud! Totally makes sense. And also tells me that I am not insane for planning to take a Tulip girl out to a good holiday. A respectable senior has been there, done that.
Well it is not insane if you have already done several "dates" with her, including over nights, and know the two of you get on well. It can go very well if you have chemistry. However Tulip is not going to be the cheapest source of a girl for it, because of shop overhead. For a bargirl, you only have to pay her BF per day to the bar.
I did takeout with my Tulip girl several times before taking her on holiday. She was extremely enjoyable to play with on the bed, in the swimming pool, etc. Nice dinner companion too. Had pretty good English. Plenty of fun activities. She potentially could have made a great GF, since I don't get enough sex from current GF.
However it matters how keen the girl is on the idea. If you decide she is very keen and you can afford the price, it might be great (or it might not). We can't predict. Try to have some interesting activities. Check if she likes to be in the sun or very scared of getting a tan.
HorseTrader
04-26-17, 21:22
Thanks bud! Totally makes sense. And also tells me that I am not insane for planning to take a Tulip girl out to a good holiday. A respectable senior has been there, done that.
I am re-evaluating my priorities since I don't think I want to blow at least 800 US $ on a single girl for 2 days. Not worth it any which way you look at it!Although Koh Samui has plenty of bar girls and full service massage girls, in my limited experience they are not the quality that you see in Bangkok. I spent a good deal of time in Chaweng and Lamai, but no time near the Conrad. When I return to Koh Samui, I'll probably bring a girl with me.
Member #4591
04-27-17, 00:17
Thanks bud! Totally makes sense. And also tells me that I am not insane for planning to take a Tulip girl out to a good holiday. A respectable senior has been there, done that.
I am re-evaluating my priorities since I don't think I want to blow at least 800 US $ on a single girl for 2 days. Not worth it any which way you look at it!10,000 per day is totally reasonable for her. That is 270 USD per day.
Member #4591
04-27-17, 00:19
Hi fellas,
I have a question which is perhaps not popular.
Posting it in this thread because all you guys know what Tulip high performer means.
I am talking to one of them to join me for 2 days to Koh Samui, but she is asking for a lot of money for 2-3 BJs / day.
Started off with 13 K Baht / day, down to 10 K but nothing less.
I will have high expenses, and will stay at the Conrad. So that isn't cheap.
She is not willing to budge under 10 K / day.
Will someone tell me what is the typical rate you would pay for a Golf / Dao / June / Yok / Nice / Opor / etc. For them to join you out of town?
Thanks in advance!
Thanks bud! Totally makes sense. And also tells me that I am not insane for planning to take a Tulip girl out to a good holiday. A respectable senior has been there, done that.
I am re-evaluating my priorities since I don't think I want to blow at least 800 US $ on a single girl for 2 days. Not worth it any which way you look at it!10,000 per day is totally reasonable for her. That is 270 USD per day. Well under 800 USD. I read in one of your posts that she would accept 10,000 Baht per day and no less. For 2 days, that's a good deal. You better find a girl on Thai Friendly for this because you clearly can't afford 540 USD total for 2 days for her. Please correct me if I'm wrong but didn't she agree to 10,000 Baht per day?
Most Thai girls are allowing me to put one or two fingers deep in their pussy. Is this normal, or did I just get lucky and choose easy girls? I mean I know some girls are scared of fingernails.
Occasionally I find a sponge stuffed in there about 2 or 3 inches in. Then have to get that removed before sex is possible. My dick is quite a bit bigger than 3 inches. LOL
Girls sometimes put a sponge in when period about to start or about to finish. Fucking against a sponge does not feel at all like a nice soft smooth pussy. It's bad. Many girls claim that guys don't know and can't tell the difference. However makes fucking impossible for me. My dick flags very quick since doesn't go in easy and feels wrong. A bit of period colour is easier to bear for me, should there be any.
Christian G
04-27-17, 12:26
Most Thai girls are allowing me to put one or two fingers deep in their pussy. Is this normal, or did I just get lucky and choose easy girls? I mean I know some girls are scared of fingernails..In my experience is normal, I don't remember any thai girls who complained about fingering her pussy.
In my experience is normal, I don't remember any thai girls who complained about fingering her pussy.Agreed, it's normal.
Hi guys,
I'll be hitting Bangkok on the 8th of May for 5 nights (I will be in Pattaya from the 6th to the 8th) who would be available to meet around those dates for a drink?
A bit more about myself: I'm a 28 years old French guy living in Paris, I've been a few times in Bangkok and I had fun mongering there but mostly massages places and outcall (mango, tulip and so forth) but, although it may sound curious, I haven't actually tried a gogo bar, picked up a freelance or barfined a girl. The reason is that I don't see myself drinking a beer all by myself in a gogo bar actually. So would anyone be up for a one (or a few) nights there?
P.S: don't take it personally but I would like meeting someone (around) my age (25 - 40) as I wouldn't want to be in a "dad & son are hitting on girls" situation.
Cheers.
I was intending to go to Emannuelle but the girl was away today.
Ended up going to Angel Witch to see a girl that looked a bit sexy previously. #33 May. Cute mouth. Short. Childish voice. Very shy at first. Supposedly 26 years old. She seemed slightly in a hurry to get barfined. Perhaps first bad sign. She was all natural and no baby. Tick for that. She was willing to kiss in the bar a bit. A good sign. However wasn't exactly what you expect from a tongue kiss. 2nd bad sign. She asked did I want ST or LT? I explained I take normally ST first up and only LT with great girls. She said she would have liked LT. Again a bit strange. There was no agreed price. I thought this was supposed to be an indicator that the girl was confident she would please. Ha Ha.
Exiting Angel Witch she said hungry, so bought some BBQed prawns. Then wanted to stop and drink a beer. In fact she wanted to go in Bangkok Bunnies. What for, I don't know. Now I guess delaying tactics till she could get a bit tipsy.
Anyway once got her clothes off her body was fine, however now seemed a lot less interested to kiss. Tended to turn the head to one side. Did not want me kissing her nipples too long. She suggested to give me a BJ. I said not so fast. I was intending to enjoy her body a bit. Unfortunately the legs were stretched straight, tensed, and inter-locked at the ankles. Was hard to get her to relax the legs. I tried to do DATY. She was not keen. I told her to get dressed. I had had enough.
She eventually started a BJ, but it was absolutely pathetic. My dick was not stirring.
It was clear that I was not going to fuck her. She just wasn't into it at all. Perhaps starfish would be being kind to her. Dick scared would be an over simplification. I asked if she likes guys at all and ever had a horny mood where she wanted to fuck one. Not clear what the answer was. I asked how many Farang guys had she been with before. Only 3 was the answer despite working Angel Witch several months I think and Hillary before that. Does this mean that almost no one wants to take her, or has she in fact been there only a very short time.
She asked for 2500. Makes laugh. Fortunately there was no agreed price. I had even told her to get dressed before she attempted a crap BJ. I was in a position to pay her what I felt like, and obviously she had delivered nothing, so gave her a very token amount for her time. Of course had wasted further money on her BF, drinks, food, ST room etc.
She actually wanted to go home with me and stay the night. LOL What the fuck for?
I am sure Angel Witch has some good girls. How I managed to get one so hopeless is beyond me. This is the first bad bar girl I had for the year. Every other was either great or at least very fuckable. She used to work in a Toshiba Fridge, Washing Machine, and Aircon factory for 300 Baht per day. Not enough to live on, so that is why she has ended up a bar girl now. She wants to meet some nice Farang guy to look after her LOL. Yet she shows no desire for sex.
Her excuse she is not used to it, because has been away up country a few days or weeks. Ha ha. Never heard anything so silly. I am a bit more used to girls that love fucking. Not a 26 YO that acts more like a 15 YO virgin.
Not just dick scared but seems to be completely scared of everything, being kissed, being touched, the works. I can return to my experienced regular girls aged 30 to 40 that are into sex.
Could she be a lesbian, I wonder. Most bar girls have been fucking lots of guys since a young age. How come not this one? The thing to do is to analyse every little thing that happened that was at all strange, and learn from it. There were certainly some strange signs, that could be ignored in an optimistic mood.
I have had some non repeat girls this year, but can't now recall anything this bad. However I guess a girl like this could not work in an MP. She would get fired pretty quick one imagines. However bad memory. Just the other day had a pathetic girl at Merci Soapy, that I also did not fuck for similar reasons. It just shows that these experiences can be forgotten so quickly. Can't even remember what she looked like. At Merci paid upfront, so money is just lost. However in the end, almost as much money and certainly a lot more time wasted on the bargirl. When try a new girl, there is always some risk. This is why a favour regular enthusiastic girls that want to get their pops too. Should aim to cut new girl tries right back. I normally don't pull the trigger on first meeting a bargirl. Little brain in the dick must have been doing the thinking today. Always a luck element attached to it.
In the old days (25 years ago) took bar girls for LT on first meeting. Don't recall getting such bad ones that needed to be kicked out. I suppose it must have happened and erased from memory. I tend to remember the good girl more.
ZimmerBaby
04-28-17, 01:18
This actually happened back in January 2012;.
Decided to head back to my hotel in Wongwian Yai from Nana Entertainment Plaza. This was after midnight, and I had consumed some vodka and Red Bull. Wongwian Yai is located in the western part of BKK and has got a BTS station. No service after midnight I presume? It was late and I grabbed a pink taxi. The cab driver was a lad in his mid-twenties. Quiet, which suits me well since I'm not a small talker. My overview of Bangkok was mediocre, but I had a feeling that we were heading in a wrong direction, which happened after approximately 5-10 minutes. I made a remark which he didn't answer. Couple of minutes later he told me that this wasn't his cab, and he needed money for his sick infant who was staying at the hospital, and he added: I have a gun!
To describe my mental ambience; Vodka gives the pleasure, but thai Red Bull is so fucking strong that 4 bottles keep my awake until lunchtime the day after. I'm quite sensitive to coffein, so the drinks made me partially drunk / boosted my concentration.
He wanted 5000 baht, and I replied "no way"! He was searching for something in right hand side all the time (the drivers door) which I wasn't able to see. He started yelling and threatening me while he was driving towards the outskirts of BKK. He stopped the car outside a residential area, God knows where, and explained to that he wasn't alone, and we could expect some of his friends to show up. He drove to several places, and all the time he made me insecure by screaming and reminding me of the gun he had, though I never saw one. My problem at this moment was my internally escalating rage. I was considering my options at this moment: Should I surprise him by quickly punching him and then gaining control over the vehicle? There would be a fight afterwards and we would probably crash. Several scenarios in my head, though all of them would result in a disaster. Bkk cabs have a number on the windshield, which I tried to memorize. Unfortunately du to alcohol and severe stress I wasn't able to store it for later.
The guy was slim and probably 170 cm tall. He wore a Manchester United football suit, with AIG printed on its front. Continued to threaten me, and I was fortunately at a stage where I could control my rage and think beyond the present moment. We could both be seriously hurt in a car accident, he and his friends (whom I never saw) could molest me, or I could end up in a thai prison for a certain period.
My vodka-exposed brain concluded that survival is the only option, so I started negotiating with him; actually I just had 2000 baht in my pocket. (No pussy for me from a gogo bar, since from my point of view all behave and move like robots with no signs of happiness in their eyes. I really missed the German FKKs while exploring NEP. Sorry lads.).
Told him I've only got 2000 baht, and I needed 500 in change, and he should transport me to a BTS station where I hopefully could find a another cab. One part of my brain still wanted to use violence, and he was furious after listening to my proposal, though I prefer wounded ego rather than a death sentence in the kingdom of king Rama. Finally he stopped in the proximity of a BTS station (do not remember the name), I handed over 2000 baht, and reluctantly he gave me 400 back. The motherfucker replied Kap khun krap and made these typical thai / buddhist hand and head gestures. I was close to smash his passenger door, but thank God I didn't. I followed the direction of the BTS by foot for an hour due to extreme rage / negative energy to cool down from this experience.
Anyone here with unpleasant rides with regular taxis in BKK?
I'm excited to explore both areas for freelancers, especially since there aren't many reports on either area.
Grandaddy Perp
04-28-17, 03:49
I was intending to go to Emannuelle but the girl was away today.
Ended up going to Angel Witch to see a girl that looked a bit sexy previously. #33 May. Cute mouth. Short. Childish voice. Very shy at first. Supposedly 26 years old. She seemed slightly in a hurry to get barfined. Perhaps first bad sign. She was all natural and no baby. Tick for that. She was willing to kiss in the bar a bit. A good sign. However wasn't exactly what you expect from a tongue kiss. 2nd bad sign. She asked did I want ST or LT? I explained I take normally ST first up and only LT with great girls. She said she would have liked LT. Again a bit strange. There was no agreed price. I thought this was supposed to be an indicator that the girl was confident she would please. Ha Ha.
Exiting Angel Witch she said hungry, so bought some BBQed prawns. Then wanted to stop and drink a beer. In fact she wanted to go in Bangkok Bunnies. What for, I don't know. Now I guess delaying tactics till she could get a bit tipsy.
Anyway once got her clothes off her body was fine, however now seemed a lot less interested to kiss. Tended to turn the head to one side. Did not want me kissing her nipples too long. She suggested to give me a BJ. I said not so fast. I was intending to enjoy her body a bit. Unfortunately the legs were stretched straight, tensed, and inter-locked at the ankles. Was hard to get her to relax the legs. I tried to do DATY. She was not keen. I told her to get dressed. I had had enough..Sounds like you got a girl that may be either working against her will or circumstances are truly forcing her to be in this line of work. My guess is she hasn't accepted the fact that having sex is part of her job and probably wanted to stay LT with you just so she didn't have to go back to the bar and do the process all over again. The majority of people aren't really cut out for this line of work, I think you got one of them.
I was intending to go to Emannuelle but the girl was away today.
Ended up going to Angel Witch to see a girl that looked a bit sexy previously. #33 May. Cute mouth. Short. Childish voice. Very shy at first. Supposedly 26 years old. She seemed slightly in a hurry to get barfined. Perhaps first bad sign. She was all natural and no baby. Tick for that. She was willing to kiss in the bar a bit. A good sign. However wasn't exactly what you expect from a tongue kiss. 2nd bad sign. She asked did I want ST or LT? I explained I take normally ST first up and only LT with great girls. She said she would have liked LT. Again a bit strange. There was no agreed price. I thought this was supposed to be an indicator that the girl was confident she would please. Ha Ha.
Exiting Angel Witch she said hungry, so bought some BBQed prawns. Then wanted to stop and drink a beer. In fact she wanted to go in Bangkok Bunnies. What for, I don't know. Now I guess delaying tactics till she could get a bit tipsy.
Anyway once got her clothes off her body was fine, however now seemed a lot less interested to kiss. Tended to turn the head to one side. Did not want me kissing her nipples too long. She suggested to give me a BJ. I said not so fast. I was intending to enjoy her body a bit. Unfortunately the legs were stretched straight, tensed, and inter-locked at the ankles. Was hard to get her to relax the legs. I tried to do DATY. She was not keen. I told her to get dressed. I had had enough.
She eventually started a BJ, but it was absolutely pathetic. My dick was not stirring.
It was clear that I was not going to fuck her. She just wasn't into it at all. Perhaps starfish would be being kind to her. Dick scared would be an over simplification. I asked if she likes guys at all and ever had a horny mood where she wanted to fuck one. Not clear what the answer was. I asked how many Farang guys had she been with before. Only 3 was the answer despite working Angel Witch several months I think and Hillary before that. Does this mean that almost no one wants to take her, or has she in fact been there only a very short time.
She asked for 2500. Makes laugh. Fortunately there was no agreed price. I had even told her to get dressed before she attempted a crap BJ. I was in a position to pay her what I felt like, and obviously she had delivered nothing, so gave her a very token amount for her time. Of course had wasted further money on her BF, drinks, food, ST room etc.
She actually wanted to go home with me and stay the night. LOL What the fuck for?
I am sure Angel Witch has some good girls. How I managed to get one so hopeless is beyond me. This is the first bad bar girl I had for the year. Every other was either great or at least very fuckable. She used to work in a Toshiba Fridge, Washing Machine, and Aircon factory for 300 Baht per day. Not enough to live on, so that is why she has ended up a bar girl now. She wants to meet some nice Farang guy to look after her LOL. Yet she shows no desire for sex.
Her excuse she is not used to it, because has been away up country a few days or weeks. Ha ha. Never heard anything so silly. I am a bit more used to girls that love fucking. Not a 26 YO that acts more like a 15 YO virgin.
Not just dick scared but seems to be completely scared of everything, being kissed, being touched, the works. I can return to my experienced regular girls aged 30 to 40 that are into sex.
Could she be a lesbian, I wonder. Most bar girls have been fucking lots of guys since a young age. How come not this one? The thing to do is to analyse every little thing that happened that was at all strange, and learn from it. There were certainly some strange signs, that could be ignored in an optimistic mood.
I have had some non repeat girls this year, but can't now recall anything this bad. However I guess a girl like this could not work in an MP. She would get fired pretty quick one imagines. However bad memory. Just the other day had a pathetic girl at Merci Soapy, that I also did not fuck for similar reasons. It just shows that these experiences can be forgotten so quickly. Can't even remember what she looked like. At Merci paid upfront, so money is just lost. However in the end, almost as much money and certainly a lot more time wasted on the bargirl. When try a new girl, there is always some risk. This is why a favour regular enthusiastic girls that want to get their pops too. Should aim to cut new girl tries right back. I normally don't pull the trigger on first meeting a bargirl. Little brain in the dick must have been doing the thinking today. Always a luck element attached to it.
In the old days (25 years ago) took bar girls for LT on first meeting. Don't recall getting such bad ones that needed to be kicked out. I suppose it must have happened and erased from memory. I tend to remember the good girl more.You certainly stiffed her.
The girl did not cheat you. You should not cheat her. You may not be able to use that bar again due to the bad gossip you are due.
You certainly stiffed her.
The girl did not cheat you. You should not cheat her. You may not be able to use that bar again due to the bad gossip you are due.Gasp!
You criticized Syzygies on the open board! OMG.
I am fearful of the retribution due to you.
Don't you realize that at 10,000 plus posts he is on track to win the Guinness World Record for number of blog posts in any category?
Shame on you Smoothy.
You certainly stiffed her.
The girl did not cheat you. You should not cheat her. You may not be able to use that bar again due to the bad gossip you are due.Just to be clear. The session lasted 10 minutes max. There was no fucking. No hard on was achieved by a very short attempted BJ after I had already announced the session was finished. It wasn't a BJ by any normal definition. No mouth movement or sucking. There was no agreed price, and you don't know what I paid her other than was less than 2500. I probably overpaid. She got more than she deserved. I did not receive a "fuck you" or anything approaching that. In fact she said she wanted to do better for me tomorrow. Yeh right! That won't be happening.
So your post is merely a tit for tat replay, with no basis.
Obviously if I got a full 2 hour session, I would have paid her better, again what she deserved. I always pay more than fairly for the time and effort the girl put in, unlike plenty of others.
I was intending to go to Emannuelle but the girl was away today.
Ended up going to Angel Witch to see a girl that looked a bit sexy previously. #33 May. Cute mouth. Short. Childish voice. Very shy at first. Supposedly 26 years old. She seemed slightly in a hurry to get barfined. Perhaps first bad sign. She was all natural and no baby. Tick for that. She was willing to kiss in the bar a bit. A good sign. However wasn't exactly what you expect from a tongue kiss. 2nd bad sign. She asked did I want ST or LT? I explained I take normally ST first up and only LT with great girls. She said she would have liked LT. Again a bit strange. There was no agreed price. I thought this was supposed to be an indicator that the girl was confident she would please. Ha Ha.
Exiting Angel Witch she said hungry, so bought some BBQed prawns. Then wanted to stop and drink a beer. In fact she wanted to go in Bangkok Bunnies. What for, I don't know. Now I guess delaying tactics till she could get a bit tipsy.
Anyway once got her clothes off her body was fine, however now seemed a lot less interested to kiss. Tended to turn the head to one side. Did not want me kissing her nipples too long. She suggested to give me a BJ. I said not so fast. I was intending to enjoy her body a bit. Unfortunately the legs were stretched straight, tensed, and inter-locked at the ankles. Was hard to get her to relax the legs. I tried to do DATY. She was not keen. I told her to get dressed. I had had enough.
She eventually started a BJ, but it was absolutely pathetic. My dick was not stirring.
It was clear that I was not going to fuck her. She just wasn't into it at all. Perhaps starfish would be being kind to her. Dick scared would be an over simplification. I asked if she likes guys at all and ever had a horny mood where she wanted to fuck one. Not clear what the answer was. I asked how many Farang guys had she been with before. Only 3 was the answer despite working Angel Witch several months I think and Hillary before that. Does this mean that almost no one wants to take her, or has she in fact been there only a very short time.
She asked for 2500. Makes laugh. Fortunately there was no agreed price. I had even told her to get dressed before she attempted a crap BJ. I was in a position to pay her what I felt like, and obviously she had delivered nothing, so gave her a very token amount for her time. Of course had wasted further money on her BF, drinks, food, ST room etc.
She actually wanted to go home with me and stay the night. LOL What the fuck for?
I am sure Angel Witch has some good girls. How I managed to get one so hopeless is beyond me. This is the first bad bar girl I had for the year. Every other was either great or at least very fuckable. She used to work in a Toshiba Fridge, Washing Machine, and Aircon factory for 300 Baht per day. Not enough to live on, so that is why she has ended up a bar girl now. She wants to meet some nice Farang guy to look after her LOL. Yet she shows no desire for sex.
Her excuse she is not used to it, because has been away up country a few days or weeks. Ha ha. Never heard anything so silly. I am a bit more used to girls that love fucking. Not a 26 YO that acts more like a 15 YO virgin.
Not just dick scared but seems to be completely scared of everything, being kissed, being touched, the works. I can return to my experienced regular girls aged 30 to 40 that are into sex.
Could she be a lesbian, I wonder. Most bar girls have been fucking lots of guys since a young age. How come not this one? The thing to do is to analyse every little thing that happened that was at all strange, and learn from it. There were certainly some strange signs, that could be ignored in an optimistic mood.
I have had some non repeat girls this year, but can't now recall anything this bad. However I guess a girl like this could not work in an MP. She would get fired pretty quick one imagines. However bad memory. Just the other day had a pathetic girl at Merci Soapy, that I also did not fuck for similar reasons. It just shows that these experiences can be forgotten so quickly. Can't even remember what she looked like. At Merci paid upfront, so money is just lost. However in the end, almost as much money and certainly a lot more time wasted on the bargirl. When try a new girl, there is always some risk. This is why a favour regular enthusiastic girls that want to get their pops too. Should aim to cut new girl tries right back. I normally don't pull the trigger on first meeting a bargirl. Little brain in the dick must have been doing the thinking today. Always a luck element attached to it.
In the old days (25 years ago) took bar girls for LT on first meeting. Don't recall getting such bad ones that needed to be kicked out. I suppose it must have happened and erased from memory. I tend to remember the good girl more.Living here in ground zero of Bangkok's red light district and being out on the hunt fairly often, I have had several weirdo Jekyll & Hyde transformation bargirls like that over the past few years. I still sense a tendency for you to "share the blame", as in for not recognizing certain signs or that you hadn't learned enough in all the years of mongering to avoid this particular scammer ("The thing to do is to analyse every little thing that happened that was at all strange, and learn from it. There were certainly some strange signs, that could be ignored in an optimistic mood", etc.) To that I say hogwash. There is no amount of street smarts, experience, facility with the language or the culture that can prevent determined little scammers from scamming you (us). Some of them are just too good at it! LOL. The experienced punter will simply embrace that reality and not in any way, shape or form excuse it or assume any personal responsibility for allowing it to happen.
Personally, even if I HAD negotiated a firm 2,500 baht in the bar for her services back in my room, I still would have felt 100% justified in handing her a pittance, I. E. 100 baht if stuck in a nearby ST room with her or for taxi fare if she was in my apartment, if that, explained as best I could with a hearty laugh about why I was giving her almost nothing and shown her the door. That little tartlet knew exactly what she was doing, no doubt has gotten away with it dozens of times with previous customers and was very much due for a big wake up call about it.
Just to be clear. The session lasted 10 minutes max. There was no fucking. No hard on was achieved by a very short attempted BJ after I had already announced the session was finished. It wasn't a BJ by any normal definition. No mouth movement or sucking. There was no agreed price, and you don't know what I paid her other than was less than 2500. I probably overpaid. She got more than she deserved. I did not receive a "fuck you" or anything approaching that. In fact she said she wanted to do better for me tomorrow. Yeh right! That won't be happening.
So your post is merely a tit for tat replay, with no basis.
Obviously if I got a full 2 hour session, I would have paid her better, again what she deserved. I always pay more than fairly for the time and effort the girl put in, unlike plenty of others.I probably have 5-6 Line numbers for girls who pulled that shit and still wanted to play the "innocent" all the way to the end by insisting we exchange the information so she could "do better for me tomorrow. " None of them have ever contacted me later about it and I have not contacted any of them. There might not be a bigger tell for their full self-awareness that they are scammers and in the business to do nothing other than scam customers than when they pretend to be utterly oblivious of what just transpired and hope you will go away quietly if they can make you think this was just the shy, innocently faltering beginning of wonderful things to cum next time. LOL.
KrisMonger
04-28-17, 08:35
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Hi guys,
I'll be hitting Bangkok on the 8th of May for 5 nights (I will be in Pattaya from the 6th to the 8th) who would be available to meet around those dates for a drink?
A bit more about myself: I'm a 28 years old French guy living in Paris, I've been a few times in Bangkok and I had fun mongering there but mostly massages places and outcall (mango, tulip and so forth) but, although it may sound curious, I haven't actually tried a gogo bar, picked up a freelance or barfined a girl. The reason is that I don't see myself drinking a beer all by myself in a gogo bar actually. So would anyone be up for a one (or a few) nights there?
P.S: don't take it personally but I would like meeting someone (around) my age (25 - 40) as I wouldn't want to be in a "dad & son are hitting on girls" situation.
Cheers.
I have had some non repeat girls this year, but can't now recall anything this bad. However I guess a girl like this could not work in an MP. She would get fired pretty quick one imagines. However bad memory. Just the other day had a pathetic girl at Merci Soapy, that I also did not fuck for similar reasons. It just shows that these experiences can be forgotten so quickly. Can't even remember what she looked like. At Merci paid upfront, so money is just lost. However in the end, almost as much money and certainly a lot more time wasted on the bargirl. When try a new girl, there is always some risk. This is why a favour regular enthusiastic girls that want to get their pops too. Should aim to cut new girl tries right back. I normally don't pull the trigger on first meeting a bargirl. Little brain in the dick must have been doing the thinking today. Always a luck element attached to it.With trying dozens of NEP area street girls one occasionally encounters one like this.
Over 80% of the time I stick with keepers who are consistently great rather than try an unknown.
Unknown girls, those I've never bedded before, are seldom up to the standard of becoming a keeper. That is, a member of my harem!
New girls are seldom worth a repeat since they are not up to the standard of those in the harem. They are taken when others are unavailable.
I probably have 5-6 Line numbers for girls who pulled that shit and still wanted to play the "innocent" all the way to the end by insisting we exchange the information so she could "do better for me tomorrow. " None of them have ever contacted me later about it and I have not contacted any of them. There might not be a bigger tell for their full self-awareness that they are scammers and in the business to do nothing other than scam customers than when they pretend to be utterly oblivious of what just transpired and hope you will go away quietly if they can make you think this was just the shy, innocently faltering beginning of wonderful things to cum next time. LOL.Very puzzling girl. She seemed to be shit scared of Farangs sexually on the bed, but said to taxi driver how much she would like to find a Farang boyfriend. Why wouldn't the girl just be a star fish and try to put up with the experience, and maybe learn something from it, rather than resist?
Yes scamming is one possible conclusion, which did not really occur to me. I guess its a case of wants the money, but does not want to provide anything for that, but was also clueless. She knew that BJ "smoking" existed, and wanted to move to that in a hurry, but had no clue how it is done. Her BJ scores a zero out of 10. Maybe I should score her 1 since it was not really painful, it was just a nothing. More bad hand action than anything else.
The bad sign is that the girl was in a hurry to get BFed. I believe experience shows that the more a girl tries to rush you, the more you should not take her. She was too shy to be pushy though. If pushy, I would have rejected her fairly quickly. Then requesting LT instead of ST on first meeting should also be a warning sign, something is not right. Finally her in the bar kiss was a bit strange. Not sexy enough in hindsight. The signs were very little, indeed yes. She seemed keen at first. However it was clearly just keen to get money, and not keen to have a good time.
The biggest thing I learned already, is if at all possible, don't pull the trigger on bargirls the first time you meet them, have extreme patience. All of my regular current girls at Crazy House were not barfined, till quite some time after I first met them. I took a lot of time to get around to it. With two of them I had slights doubts at first till I got to know them. The other, Jane, had no doubts about, just she was too popular and heavily booked. When a girl has plenty of repeat customers, you don't feel concerned that she is going to be a scammer naturally. Obviously a girl with no repeat customers, is a risk.
CH would be the only bar where I have got to observe girls' histories over a significant period and have clues about their character. This was not the case in the early times there, so made a few mistakes with dick scared girls or star fish. Dick scared girls are hard to predict because they are good for one customer and bad for the next.
Hi guys,
I'll be hitting Bangkok on the 8th of May for 5 nights (I will be in Pattaya from the 6th to the 8th) who would be available to meet around those dates for a drink?
A bit more about myself: I'm a 28 years old French guy living in Paris, I've been a few times in Bangkok and I had fun mongering there but mostly massages places and outcall (mango, tulip and so forth) but, although it may sound curious, I haven't actually tried a gogo bar, picked up a freelance or barfined a girl. The reason is that I don't see myself drinking a beer all by myself in a gogo bar actually. So would anyone be up for a one (or a few) nights there?
P.S: don't take it personally but I would like meeting someone (around) my age (25 - 40) as I wouldn't want to be in a "dad & son are hitting on girls" situation.
Cheers.Your post made me really wonder. Why are you reluctant to drink alone in a go-go bar? And why do you plan trips to Bangkok and Pattaya if this is a problem? By all means. If you can find a wingman it can be a good experience so good luck. Personally I always go alone. To bring a friend limits your choices, after all your friend possibly want to go to other venues than you etc. On your own you are flexible and can go wherever you like. I would say probably 70% of visitors to go-go bars come alone. It is normal and you will enjoy it, don't worry. I would love to share a beer with you and maybe give some more advice but I am not in Bangkok in May. Happy hunting!
Banana Boi
04-28-17, 12:53
The reason is that I don't see myself drinking a beer all by myself in a gogo bar actually. In most gogo bars you will be alone for a very short period, sometimes seconds. No wingman needed. Any eye contact with a girl you find attractive and she's beside you. Buy her a lady drink and enjoy.
Hi,
Finally got my couple of days free in BKK after the office work.
As per the earlier suggestions, decided to start the day at Annies. Walked up there and not many numbers for selection. Selected Say # 20. It was first time in a soapy and hence it was a interesting experience. Only negative was the she has boobies were very small. Being a boob lover it was a bit of disappointment for me. Still she did a good job and had a good BJ, massage and play in multiple positions before I cum in cowgirl. Second round was longer in all positions and finally cum in miss. Showered and left the place. Returned to hotel and took rest before venturing again. Walked around Sois and checked the bars. Finally came into NEP and went to Rainbow. I was not very sure of quality here so don't know the lineup was good or bad. Picked up Nay for a ST and it was average experience since she was more into getting me cum and closing the act.
Went out for some food and drinks and came back to NEP. After touring some more bars, picked up a girl from Spankys. It turned out to be a better one. Session was extensive and took time. She was very cooperative and not very pushy on time. Did all the positions and still had to cum by HJ. By the end it was midnight and decided call it day as was very tired from walking all around and heat.
Will try Billboard tomorrow as it seems to be bigger. Funny part was getting into LB bar by mistake and running out of it.
Your post made me really wonder. Why are you reluctant to drink alone in a go-go bar? And why do you plan trips to Bangkok and Pattaya if this is a problem? By all means. If you can find a wingman it can be a good experience so good luck. Personally I always go alone. To bring a friend limits your choices, after all your friend possibly want to go to other venues than you etc. On your own you are flexible and can go wherever you like. I would say probably 70% of visitors to go-go bars come alone. It is normal and you will enjoy it, don't worry. I would love to share a beer with you and maybe give some more advice but I am not in Bangkok in May. Happy hunting!Thanks for your response.
I'm not very comfortable with having to deal with 1, 2 or 3 girls coming and rushing you for drinks or being scammed if I look too "newbie".
I'd figure that drinking a beer alone wouldn't be particularly fun even though Banana Boi said I wouldn't be alone for very long. Which is definitely right. I just thought that drinking a beer with another punter playing pool and so forth would be more appreciable and would also be better to check out girls.
It's like going to disco alone, it wouldn't be that much fun but in a sense, you're right, I will be flexible and will likely enjoy it! Also if the girls I meet speaks well enough english to discuss, it could become fun!
Always wanted to try a gogo place so I'll try some in Pattaya and some in Bangkok, I just don't want one where girls are pushy! Which of your favorite would you recommend?
I did have just one or two girls walk that Soi at night with me. Very few indeed. There tend to be suspicious types hanging around at times.
Sois in that area beyond the Hotels mentioned were even reported as dangerous at night, however I have walked to 7 Eleven without any problems. You just watch what other people sighted are doing somewhat.
Dark back alleys with few people are never the best idea in Bangkok. It's not a totally safe place.I have walked up and down from Soi Cowboy to Citadines and vice versa late at night maybe 100 times.
It's not dangerous at all. That's only my opinion. I'm not easily intimidated maybe.
I've only had one girl insist on taking a cab from Soi Cowboy to Citadines. I haven't stayed there for the last few years, so maybe attitudes to walking have changed.
Franciscass
04-29-17, 01:14
You certainly stiffed her.
The girl did not cheat you. You should not cheat her. You may not be able to use that bar again due to the bad gossip you are due.Sacrilege criticizing our beloved supreme leader, excommunication, burning at the stake or being mowed down with anti aircraft fire would be too good for you.
With trying dozens of NEP area street girls one occasionally encounters one like this.
Over 80% of the time I stick with keepers who are consistently great rather than try an unknown.
Unknown girls, those I've never bedded before, are seldom up to the standard of becoming a keeper. That is, a member of my harem!
New girls are seldom worth a repeat since they are not up to the standard of those in the harem. They are taken when others are unavailable.I haven't tried so many (not even close to one dozen), but I agree. Only found the one keeper there that performs pretty good in recent times, and even then, she wasn't outstanding the first time, just "pass with a push". She upped her game, so she is now very enthusiastic, so definitely now deserves the "keeper" status. The other girls are not necessarily total failures, but weak performers, not worth a 2nd go. By "total failure", I refer to girls where I end up cancelling with a non-completed fuck or no fuck at all.
So really the only places that are pretty reliable with very few total failure girls are the PSE Oilies. Very few bad sessions ever from Tulip, Snow White, Mango, etc. Some total failures in other shops. I suppose you could still get unlucky with an inexperienced newbie girl, or one who is not in good enough condition to be working. Any venue can provide very average girls based on your own personal criteria, not worth repeating though.
I am doing 80% repeats myself most likely, from all sources, to keep the bad experiences down, and keep the average experiences down as well. I only take LTs with known reliable girls too.
Over the last year or two I would have lost at least 6 or 8 regular girls, in one way or another. Most just disappear. Perhaps collected a sponser/boyfriend. The odd one declined in service to a point where no longer worthwhile. So unfortunately have to keep recruiting some new ones. Probably only have about 8 girls left that I like to repeat, split between freelancers, bargirls, and Oily girls, which I don't think is quite enough. Would like to add some good priced Soapy girls.
Thanks for your response.
I'm not very comfortable with having to deal with 1, 2 or 3 girls coming and rushing you for drinks or being scammed if I look too "newbie".
I'd figure that drinking a beer alone wouldn't be particularly fun even though Banana Boi said I wouldn't be alone for very long. Which is definitely right. I just thought that drinking a beer with another punter playing pool and so forth would be more appreciable and would also be better to check out girls.
It's like going to disco alone, it wouldn't be that much fun but in a sense, you're right, I will be flexible and will likely enjoy it! Also if the girls I meet speaks well enough english to discuss, it could become fun!
Always wanted to try a gogo place so I'll try some in Pattaya and some in Bangkok, I just don't want one where girls are pushy! Which of your favorite would you recommend?You might think go-go bars in Thailand are like pole dance or striptease bars in Europe, but they are way different. In Thailand you are KING! If you do not like the girl, just waive your hand and they will disappear. I never had a problem with pushy girls in Thailand. They are very sensitive to what the guy want. If you want to play big spender, sure the girls will come. But they also leave us alone if we clearly indicate we just want to sit alone and enjoy our drink and the line up / show. Some bars have pushy waiters or mamasan, but you can just ignore them. It is their job to push customers to buy drinks and pick a girl, it is after all a business. But remember you are KING! Nobody tell you what to do. It is your money. Your time. Your choice. You are a bit younger than me and it is very difficult to advice another punter. We are all different. Personally I like these bars in Pattaya: Happy A-go-go, Electric Blue, Airport, Livingdolls 1, Peppermint. Remember there are 50 to chose from in Walking Street alone and 16 in LK Metro. In Bangkok I would suggest: Soi Cowboy: Dollhouse, Suzy Wong, Long Gun, Shark. My choice in Nana Plaza: Mandarin, Twisters. If you like more classic rock tunes; try Angel Witch or Sexy Nights. If you like to play pool try a game with some of the in-house girls in bars like Stumble In or Hillary bars in Soi 4 in Bangkok. These girls are available for take-out but quality is just so-so. But they are clever at playing pool! Good luck.
Sacrilege criticizing our beloved supreme leader, excommunication, burning at the stake or being mowed down with anti aircraft fire would be too good for you.Just pointing out his own hypocrisy in a previous post.
Just pointing out his own hypocrisy in a previous post.You asked if you treated the girl fairly. After 2 hours of fucking, but no pop, some of us said no. I didn't ask if I treated her fairly. I had no doubts, whatsoever. I know I over paid her for 10 minutes of her lying naked with straight legs and ankles locked together, and no fuck, with no agreed price set. Unfortunately I did not have enough small notes to give her less. If you can't see any difference between the 2 cases, then everything is just black or white to you with no others shades in between.
You said your girl was good enough to repeat, I think. My girl was pathetic.
I overpaid, there is no hypocrisy in that. I kicked her out quickly, so as not to waste her time and mine, since she was so resistive to everything and so useless, seemingly lacking a brain as well.
It's not dangerous at all. That's only my opinion. I'm not easily intimidated maybe.
Yes if by myself, I always walk it. However girls don't seem to like it, with street dark and footpath uneven, and they report having heard of incidents in the smaller Sois nearby past Admiral Premier. Bag snatchers working in pairs on motorcycle are not too uncommon in Bangkok. One skinny ladyboy I know of, was bashed by two girls on motorcycle, and had and handbag taken right outside the a 7 Eleven store. Any bystanders seem to do nothing to help. This is Bangkok.
Girls and ladyboys make easy targets due to being able to be grabbed by their long hair.
So to say there is no danger at all, is simplification and perception. I would suggest to check crime statistics for the reality, however Thai standards for collecting data for crimes of violence is very poor. Bag snatching, bashings, etc. Are not seen as serious crime here. Covered up somewhat. A lot of sexual crimes go unreported. Men bashing their wives is not even a crime here. A lot of suspicious Farang deaths in Thailand are written off as suicide, even the body found in the canal with knife in his back. A lot of guys have gone off the top of buildings in Pattaya, known as the Pattaya Flying Club. One suspects that many of these guys were "assisted". True rates of crimes is not known. There are also pick pockets and scammers.
Just a day or two ago saw a fight break out in a caf on Soi 23. Reason not known, but a Farang was involved on at least one side. Did see a Thai girl pick up a solid wooden chair that she wanted to use to smash on a Farang. She appeared to be just someone wanting to join in. She was restrained by someone else. Possibly some were more concerned about damage to the property than to the Farang. Thais can go crazy and especially love to join in to kick some underdog that is already down and beaten. This is the "animal" personality found in some Thais.
You don't want to pick a fight in Thailand. You never know who will join in and how much it will escalate. Anyone looking for trouble will surely find it.
Is Thailand back to normal since the death of the King last year?
Many monger venues were quickly back to normal after the King catastrophe, although some girls did not work for a month.
Some places hardly changed at all. Crazy House may have stopped nude dancing for a day or two, not long. Those that have less risqu behavior than before are probably more influenced by the government trying to improve Bangkok's Image and threat of police raids.
Annies changed from sexy underwear to something else for a while, I heard, but reverted to underwear outfits recently, after a period of declining sales. Declining line up should be the reason for weak sales, but I prefer girls hiding as little as possible. Underwear exposes some blubbery figures fairly well. Actually I don't like covered tits as well as covered mid-riffs.
Bangkok Bunnies seems to getting quite popular based on recent quick stop, however it's not for me with 90% of topless girls having sillies, except in the soap suds area. Pretty faces extremely low. Well behind standard of Twisters, and even well behind Billboard for my taste. Billboard soap suds bath girls were easily better than at Bangkok Bunnies. Bangkok Bunnies is definitely for enthusiasts of Implants.
Compared to 20+ years ago every has declined for me except for their was no nude dancing back then. Apart from that, most places were much more raunchy. Nude dancing first arrived in Nana Plaza at places like Lollipop, Pretty Lady etc. Later it was stamped out in Nana Plaza and moved to Suzie Wong in Cowboy, soon followed by Long Gun and a some other bars. Lack of nude dancing is still the big weakness of Nana Plaza. O.K. I once peeked in the left back corner and saw a LB dancing nude, but I shuddered from the ugly look of that and left quickly. Pretty girls still exist in the industry but getting very hard to find. I am getting very tempted to try the Smooci path.
I overpaid, there is no hypocrisy in that. I kicked her out quickly, so as not to waste her time and mine, since she was so resistive to everything and so useless, seemingly lacking a brain as well.Coincidentally, I performed one of the fastest kick-backs I have done in a long time last night. Go-go dancer in NEP's Butterflies that had been lobbying hard for me to barfine her through two previous visits. We got no further than the motorcycle taxi station on Soi 4 at Sukhumvit when I turned and caught her exchanging huge goo-goo eyes and licking gestures with some guy in a tuk-tuk sitting in traffic right there. I realize this is a party atmosphere. But there were a whole bunch of things I didn't like about that going on behind my back while I was holding her hand arranging the taxis to my room. LOL.
I put 100 baht in her hand "for taxi fare", calmly bid farewell and walked away. Heard her say, "NO!" as though this was really a bummer for her. But after that I have no idea what she did or where she went. Although I had met her and bought lady drinks for her on at least three stops in Butterflies, we had never exchanged Line info or phone numbers. So there has been no follow up on it since last night.
Party atmosphere or not, that was behaving a bit too much like a "butterfly" in public with me for my tastes. LOL.
Fair or not? Handled it right or not? Comments always welcome. But it sure felt like the right thing to do at the time. Therefore, I chose not to ignore that particular "save yourself 2,000+ baht" warning sign.
I put 100 baht in her hand "for taxi fare", calmly bid farewell and walked away. Heard her say, "NO!" as though this was really a bummer for her. But after that I have no idea what she did or where she went. Although I had met her and bought lady drinks for her on at least three stops in Butterflies, we had never exchanged Line info or phone numbers. So there has been no follow up on it since last night.
Party atmosphere or not, that was behaving a bit too much like a "butterfly" in public with me for my tastes. LOL.
Fair or not? Handled it right or not? Comments always welcome. But it sure felt like the right thing to do at the time. Therefore, I chose not to ignore that particular "save yourself 2,000+ baht" warning sign.First comment is girls that are connected to you on LINE can be deleted and blocked, once you have no wish for further contact. This one reason to exchange LINE Ids or Barcodes rather than phone numbers. The reverse happens too where girls no longer read my messages. Could be they simply opened a new LINE account, or lost the phone, or blocked out all customers when new boyfriend expects exclusive rights, or they put P4 P behind them.
Around Songkran one girl was lobbying to meet me privately (a repeat) since she no longer worked in the bar, but she was very unreliable to read any messages, and kept putting off the actual appointment, such that it never happened. My last set of messages to her never got read. I do have her phone number as well but really cannot be bothered to ring such an unreliable girl. Probably was trying do secret P4 P but had a boyfriend or whatever. We don't always know what is going on with the girl.
You paid a barfine for the girl, but don't need to pay for sexual services till they are rendered. So I see nothing wrong with blowing her off as soon as your desire for her has evaporated. She can simply go look for another customer. Many years ago I cancelled one such booking with two girls straight off, like that on the way to the Hotel, when I realised that one of the two was likely to be a ladyboy. Once the possibility dawned on me, I was 90% certain. The walk was wrong and the voice a little strange. I went straight back to the same bar Hollywood and picked another girl with big naturals (to be sure LOL), and had a good time. I did not let my evening be totally spoiled. The bar staff would have known I had woken up to my mistake within just a few minutes. That was a lesson to me that bars did not necessarily have real girls only as barfinable. Some years later detected secret ladyboys in Deja Vu. There definitely existed scamming ladyboys pretending to be girls.
So a girl pisses us off, all thought of fucking her is gone. Paying afterward is exactly for these reasons. In a western non-Thailand situation, I have also cancelled girls in the room before any sexual action started, due to heavy upsell or other very annoying talk. So I wasted 5 minutes of her time, but certainly was not going to pay for the sex services part which did not happen at all.
Girls do have to learn a lesson from their behaving very badly. I am not a Robot that can still fuck the most irritating girls in the world. We have to have desire for it to work.
So to say there is no danger at all, is simplification and perception. I would suggest to check crime statistics for the reality, however Thai standards for collecting data for crimes of violence is very poor. Bag snatching, bashings, etc. Are not seen as serious crime here. Covered up somewhat. A lot of sexual crimes go unreported. Men bashing their wives is not even a crime here. A lot of suspicious Farang deaths in Thailand are written off as suicide, even the body found in the canal with knife in his back. A lot of guys have gone off the top of buildings in Pattaya, known as the Pattaya Flying Club. One suspects that many of these guys were "assisted". True rates of crimes is not known. There are also pick pockets and scammers.I'm just going by my personal experience having spend several months staying on soi 23.
In most of the western world I would never walk on a poorly lit street close to a red light precinct in the early hours of the morning. It's really asking for trouble.
I'm sure there are been bag snatchings and assaults in the vicinity of Soi 23, but I have never witnessed anything suspicious. No young men loitering. Not once in all the months spent staying on soi 23 and walking back and forth from Soi Cowboy in the dark.
There are still girls outside the oil massage places on soi 23 yelling 'helloooo' until 3 am.
Carpaccio18
04-30-17, 14:35
Hi All,
Going to BKK next weekend, and as I got scammed last time with the double lady drinks, asked for cover charge etc I vowed not to set foot in Crazy House again.
So any points on what are the bets places currently in Soi Cowboy?
Houston Player
04-30-17, 15:53
First comment is girls that are connected to you on LINE can be deleted and blocked, once you have no wish for further contact.How do you delete someone from Line? I know how to block them and also can delete chat but have not been able to delete them entirely.
It been a while since I got here but I have to say that BKK was amazing. This is what my sextenary looked like while I was there.
Day 1- Tulip and Wood Bar.
Day 2- SwingersHub.
Day 3- Smooci and Soms Haven.
Day 4- SwingersHub.
Day 5- Wood Bar.
Thank You Bangkok! Can't wait till I return again.
MusicalToM
04-30-17, 17:45
Is there a place one can go and pick an Ebony / African girl around 11 in the night?
I know there are some escort agencies providing these girls on demand, but they charge a lot. I'll land at around 8:30 in the night, just want to go to grab a girl and comeback to enjoy at hotel. Searching at Mixx / Thermae for black girls is baseless since these clubs are racists, so what's the next place?
This time I want to go for Soviet / Ebony girls thus collecting some info before the trip would definitely be useful.
Lastly if somebody has any contact, it'd be a great help if I could get that.
Regards.
Member #4591
04-30-17, 18:47
How do you delete someone from Line? I know how to block them and also can delete chat but have not been able to delete them entirely.After you block them go into settings. Choose friends. Select blocked contacts. Select the contact you blocked and you will see 2 options, one to remove and one to unblock. Choose remove and they will be deleted.
How do you delete someone from Line? I know how to block them and also can delete chat but have not been able to delete them entirely.First hide them, then go into the settings - Friends and delete them from the hidden friends list. I did this many times as I had to hide p4 p girls from my ex thai GF.
Hi All,
Going to BKK next weekend, and as I got scammed last time with the double lady drinks, asked for cover charge etc I vowed not to set foot in Crazy House again.
So any points on what are the bets places currently in Soi Cowboy?Yeah I really hate crazy house. The staff in there are so fucking disrespectful. The bouncers at the door look like they are ready to fight me and get furious that I don't open the curtain fast enough. The drinkmaids grabbed my hand and literally tried to force me to sign the check bin. This is like. Wtf. Most gogo's are very well managed and the manager will even wai at you if he see's you around regularly, and the bouncers will get the curtains for you, the customer. I'm not sure why, but crazy house seems like they think their shit doesn't stink because they are the only gogo on soi cowboy that had nudity.
I recommend Shark gogo. It's worth checking out. But seriously, soi cowboy is crap IMHO. Have a back-up plan on where else to go as sometimes soi cowboy (not being as large as pattaya for example) doesn't have much at all that's worth barfining.
Carpaccio18
04-30-17, 21:46
Yeah I really hate crazy house. The staff in there are so fucking disrespectful. The bouncers at the door look like they are ready to fight me and get furious that I don't open the curtain fast enough. The drinkmaids grabbed my hand and literally tried to force me to sign the check bin. This is like. Wtf. Most gogo's are very well managed and the manager will even wai at you if he see's you around regularly, and the bouncers will get the curtains for you, the customer. I'm not sure why, but crazy house seems like they think their shit doesn't stink because they are the only gogo on soi cowboy that had nudity.
I recommend Shark gogo. It's worth checking out. But seriously, soi cowboy is crap IMHO. Have a back-up plan on where else to go as sometimes soi cowboy (not being as large as pattaya for example) doesn't have much at all that's worth barfining.I liked CH for he nudity and the amount of good lookers. Bit of hit & miss as some were too fresh starfish with a severe dick scare, even if they had been rowdy in CH. But last time I really felt hustled, to large degree my own fault going way too deep in the Jack, but then again. Have been seriously hammered in other gogos and still didn't wake up next day feeling like that.
Been a while since I have been at Shark, used to be on of my favorite places years ago, but the lineup turned mediocre then bad and I stopped going there. Suzie Wong was good location a couple of years ago. Don't know how that's turned out after Baccara owners apparently took over not long ago? They had occasional nudity, and some good lookers although not consistently.
Had my sights turned towards Tilac, as they usually have some nice lookers in the lineup. No real nudity, but the no-panties policy has a certain appeal. For some odd reason I always seem to get attacked by weirdo chicks in there, who just won't take no for an answer and stick like glue. But have brought back some talent from there on several occasions.
Anyhow, I probably need to start early and check out a few places. I do still prefer Soi Cowboy over Nana and Pat Pong. Twisters in Nana is not bad though, could be my backup plan.
Hi friends,
Am going to Bangkok / Pattaya for few days next week.
Please suggest some good places for mongering.
Are there any FKK equivalents?
Thanks.
Hi friends,
Am going to Bangkok / Pattaya for few days next week.
Please suggest some good places for mongering.
Are there any FKK equivalents?
Thanks.It is a different scene.
If you are a first timer, spend 3-4 days in Bangkok first.
Chose an hotel newtby soi 4.
Visit some gogo, some bars, RTFF about soapie she and MP's.
Banana Boi
04-30-17, 23:55
Are there any FKK equivalents?Kinnaree in Pratumnak Hill near Pattaya's Walking Street would be the closest thing to a FKK in Thailand. Don't expect 100+ girls, more like 20-40 depending the day. Search "Kinnaree" in the Pattaya forum.
As Bionic mentioned, Thailand is a much different animal than Germany. Girls everywhere to be taken to your room. Spend 20-30 hours and read the Bangkok and Pattaya forums and decide which suits you better. They are different. More girls in Pattaya than Bangkok.
Houston Player
05-01-17, 01:58
Bkkdog and Parkville thank you both that worked.
MusicalToM
05-01-17, 09:56
Has anybody happen to buy this oral contraceptive table named "AnNa" (see attached pics). Apparently I got to grab two of them and considering Thailand's infamous fake drug supplies, need a trustworthy place to get them.
A shop / chain near the central area would be best. I hope some of you will be able to point me out.
Yeah I really hate crazy house. The staff in there are so fucking disrespectful. The bouncers at the door look like they are ready to fight me and get furious that I don't open the curtain fast enough. The drinkmaids grabbed my hand and literally tried to force me to sign the check bin. This is like. Wtf. Most gogo's are very well managed and the manager will even wai at you if he see's you around regularly, and the bouncers will get the curtains for you, the customer. I'm not sure why, but crazy house seems like they think their shit doesn't stink because they are the only gogo on soi cowboy that had nudity.
I recommend Shark gogo. It's worth checking out. But seriously, soi cowboy is crap IMHO. Have a back-up plan on where else to go as sometimes soi cowboy (not being as large as pattaya for example) doesn't have much at all that's worth barfining.Seems like great exaggeration. Not sure why anyone wants to do things so slowly. Yes you are required to sign the drink bills, so there can be no doubts about your final bill and drinks cannot be forgotten. I don't have any problem with that. Just sign and don't waste time. I can open curtains myself, I don't need any help from "bouncers". I hardly even notice the doorman "bouncer". I suppose they recognise me. Sometimes staff try to show me to a particular spot to sit. I just ignore them and do my own thing. I know what areas I want to sit in. I just ignore any pushy staff, same as at any other gogo. I don't see much difference. Natty Bumpo, like me, manages to have a good time there. Has his favourites. I don't see all the customers of CH being hassled by staff all the time. I watch what goes on. Sure girls approach guys. Sometimes the guy accepts the girl, sometimes he doesn't. I mainly do not. Don't know why you should be so specially mistreated, Parkville. It's not happening to me, or I am just oblivious. I don't go there looking for staff to suck up to me (show great respect) with a Wai. Etc. If they do Wai, I don't care.
For me Shark is such a boring place, and surgeries girls not to my liking. Each to their own. As for the service staff, who cares? I don't give a rat's about them.
Sure CH line up has gone downhill, so I don't visit often, and usually looking for specific girls. Have not found any exciting new girls recently.
I think Carpaccio18's comments were very fair, except that since you have to sign each drink bill, you know immediately what has happened if a girl ordered two drinks. When ordering drinks for the girl, I simply point to the girl so waitress knows who I am buying a drink for, and show one finger to indicate she is getting one drink. I will usually verbally specify as well, so signs are just to be doubly clear. I don't say "tequila coke", since that implies 2 drinks, unless I am feeling particularly generous. So double drinks "scam" is easily avoided. It happens to those that have no clue what goes on, simply as they don't realise the girl is ordering two drinks until they come and the bill shows it. Should only ever happen to any unaware guys just once, then he will wake up, providing he looks at his bill before signing.
Never heard of a cover charge for CH. Was he Indian and expected to be not spending?
Hi friends,
Am going to Bangkok / Pattaya for few days next week.
Please suggest some good places for mongering.
Are there any FKK equivalents?
Thanks.The only place that approaches FKK for nude girls in Bangkok is Crazy House in Sukhumvit Soi 23. Even Suzie Wong is lacking nudity these days. Doll House and Long Gun may have a bit. In a gogo bar you can chat to girls for a while before deciding to risk taking them for sex, if you buy them a drink every once in a while.
I think it could be wrong to spend too many days in Bangkok first up, just in case you like Pattaya much better. If you don't like Pattaya, then can always come back to Bangkok as soon as you are sick of Pattaya, if that can happen. LOL
It been a while since I got here but I have to say that BKK was amazing. This is what my sextenary looked like while I was there.
Day 2- SwingersHub.
I did a Google Search for "Swingers Hub Bangkok" and it found nothing. Can you enlighten us more about this. I have not heard of it.
Is it something very secret underground? I mean I know that Thai society does not approve of swingers types of activities. Only having lots of wives / gFs or lots of Giks.
I'm sure there are been bag snatchings and assaults in the vicinity of Soi 23, but I have never witnessed anything suspicious. No young men loitering. Not once in all the months spent staying on soi 23 and walking back and forth from Soi Cowboy in the dark.
I have seen suspicious types loitering, perhaps ladyboys rather than young men, especially around the intersection that now has Whisgars / Craft etc. Once or twice someone appearing to be following me, which may not have been the case at all. I would give ladyboys a wide berth. Anyway, the main point is, that girls in general (not all) prefer to go the Hotel by taxi, very late at night, and I would not let them go to the nearby 7 eleven unaccompanied if the girl needed to buy something. It's a dodgy area, on the cross alleys north of Citadines.
In the past we had reports of guys that were bashed / robbed by ladyboys, right on Sukhumvit road. I never felt that threatened myself, but wise to be aware that shit has happened.
I have seen suspicious types loitering, perhaps ladyboys rather than young men, especially around the intersection that now has Whisgars / Craft etc. Once or twice someone appearing to be following me, which may not have been the case at all. I would give ladyboys a wide berth. Anyway, the main point is, that girls in general (not all) prefer to go the Hotel by taxi, very late at night, and I would not let them go to the nearby 7 eleven unaccompanied if the girl needed to buy something. It's a dodgy area, on the cross alleys north of Citadines.
In the past we had reports of guys that were bashed / robbed by ladyboys, right on Sukhumvit road. I never felt that threatened myself, but wise to be aware that shit has happened.Most likely the suspicious types, be them LB or whatever, will try to lure you into something, be it a scam, be it offering some drug, or be it take you to the room and then rob you, drug you erc. These things do happen.
The darkness helps in not seeing much their face for a later identification. They are also few and isolated. So nobody can witness much.
It would not happen, for instance, with a girl you pick up from the Nana car park: as much as they are FL's they all know each other and do not want to have bad girls messing around as then the reputation of the bunch will be affected, police will start to raid.
Even the black African girls at McDonald soi 5 might not be given perfect service, but I doubt they will be dangerous from a crime point of view.
There will always be the occasional rotten apple, of course.
I don't think there is the type of crime we are often afraid of in big cities, in the darkness of the night.
I never felt uncomfortable walking at any time of the night.
More girls in Pattaya than Bangkok.Considering how big Bangkok is relative to Pattaya and how many different venues there are spread all over Bangkok, I seriously doubt that to be true. As far as a concentration of a lot of girls in one small area, yes, Pattaya has that. However, I find the girls in Bangkok are better looking than in Pattaya. 10 out of my 10 top all time favorite girls in Thailand were in Bangkok.
Even the black African girls at McDonald soi 5 might not be given perfect service, but I doubt they will be dangerous from a crime point of view.Like some others, I would like to know where to find the very hottest black girls, I wonder if Whisgars would be a good place to look? I few months a go, two really hot black girls (well actually only one of them was really pretty and really interested me) came in to the Sports Pub to eat and drink and were chatting with the owner. I expected that they would be selling themselves in other locations (80% chance), but I could not really chat her up, even though she said Hello, to me when she passed to visit the toilet, since the staff there know me very well. I could not ask her to go with me in front of everyone, even the staff must think I am probably a naughty boy, to be hanging around that area close to cowboy so much.
Of course I never saw that hot girl again. If I did, I would take her in a second, she was that far in front of all the blackies I normally see on Sukhumvit. Dark skin does not bother me at all. If a girl is really pretty and sexy, the skin tone matters so little. She could have had pink hair, or green hair, I would not care. Tats, I would not care. However I can accept only certain levels of shrapnel (piercings) without going too far. Hardly see black girls with nose jobs. LOL unless the nose jobs are so good, I cannot tell.
Kinnaree in Pratumnak Hill near Pattaya's Walking Street would be the closest thing to a FKK in Thailand. Don't expect 100+ girls, more like 20-40 depending the day. Search "Kinnaree" in the Pattaya forum.
As Bionic mentioned, Thailand is a much different animal than Germany. Girls everywhere to be taken to your room. Spend 20-30 hours and read the Bangkok and Pattaya forums and decide which suits you better. They are different. More girls in Pattaya than Bangkok.Would be interesting to get the estimated numbers of sex tourists in Bangkok and Pattaya, that would probably give some idea as to how many hookers were needed to suit the tourist market. Of course Bangkok with have a vastly larger sex market for Thai men, and also for the large numbers of Japanese working in Bangkok.
Taking girls from venues with mostly Asian customers is a risk for me. The girls can be scared of Farangs, or just want easy customers. So I should be in Pattaya LOL. Perhaps girls preferring Asian customers often choose not to work Pattaya? or do Pattaya girls tell you they still prefer Asian men?
HorseTrader
05-01-17, 14:26
Is there a place one can go and pick an Ebony / African girl around 11 in the night?I'm not into Ebony girls so I can't give you a list of places to look. I have seen several on the north side of Sukhumvit to the west of Soi 11. Someone else reported them along Soi 5.
XRatedBangkok
05-01-17, 15:12
Have any of you guys ever noticed the white board with all the girls' numbers in Crazy House? It is located on the wall in the back, bar is on your left and stairs on your right. All the working girls are noticed there. Some have their number with a star like "69*" which obviously means "busy". It is possible to get inside, go straight to the board, check if one of your honey is here and either leave or book her right away. I had a sniff this Sunday at 9 pm, there were at least 80 girls. Impressive.
XRatedBangkok
05-01-17, 15:18
I'm not into Ebony girls so I can't give you a list of places to look. I have seen several on the north side of Sukhumvit to the west of Soi 11. Someone else reported them along Soi 5.I advise Shock 39 Nightclub, google it. Last time I was there. Several months ago, though. There were Black FL mingling with a lot of Indians guys.
555 no I don't *need* them to get the curtains for me. I just would prefer it if they weren't getting aggressive because I couldn't find out which side of the door to open the curtains (as I am new to CH). I see no reason for them to act like they are in the mafia. The service staff there really need to dial back the attitudes. As for the signing thing, the wait staff forcibly grabbed my arm, threw a pen into my hand and wrestled with me to force me to sign it. Wouldn't even take the time to explain this to me like a human being, just nope. You're a piece of shit ATM, do this, go here, give us money.
I have seen suspicious types loitering, perhaps ladyboys rather than young men, especially around the intersection that now has Whisgars / Craft etc. Once or twice someone appearing to be following me, which may not have been the case at all. I would give ladyboys a wide berth. Anyway, the main point is, that girls in general (not all) prefer to go the Hotel by taxi, very late at night, and I would not let them go to the nearby 7 eleven unaccompanied if the girl needed to buy something. It's a dodgy area, on the cross alleys north of Citadines.
In the past we had reports of guys that were bashed / robbed by ladyboys, right on Sukhumvit road. I never felt that threatened myself, but wise to be aware that shit has happened.I could be wrong because it's been a few years since I stayed at that Citadines, so the street could have changed.
But all up I have stayed there about 4 months and walked up and down that stretch of road from Citadines to Soi Cowboy at night maybe 100 times. I have never seen a ladyboy or thai men loitering on that street at night.
I'm not into Ebony girls so I can't give you a list of places to look. I have seen several on the north side of Sukhumvit to the west of Soi 11. Someone else reported them along Soi 5.Climax has some african freelancers. I took one but quickly called it off back in the room. Girl was kind of crazy, and asked for money up front before doing anything. And as it turns out, I just don't really find (most) african women attractive (once the clothes came off). She was a real hassle too, had to threaten to call security to get her out and I suspect that she was thinking of biting my lip or grabbing my junk in an extortion attempt. She wasn't wrapped right and maybe on drugs (as many freelancers are, since they can get high all day and not have to show up for work under a boss).
555 no I don't *need* them to get the curtains for me. I just would prefer it if they weren't getting aggressive because I couldn't find out which side of the door to open the curtains (as I am new to CH). I see no reason for them to act like they are in the mafia. The service staff there really need to dial back the attitudes. As for the signing thing, the wait staff forcibly grabbed my arm, threw a pen into my hand and wrestled with me to force me to sign it. Wouldn't even take the time to explain this to me like a human being, just nope. You're a piece of shit ATM, do this, go here, give us money.OK I would like to have been a fly on the wall. Can't say I had or ever saw such problems. I guess there can be communication problems due to poor English and loud music.
I read a few years ago about a location in Bangkok that was like an upscale brothel or something similar, had stunning women and supposedly the mamasan of management offered a sort of binder of photos from models, women from Playboy Thailand magazine, and super hot VIP women to choose from. It was pricey but I never remembered the name of this location. Does this ring a bell for anyone, or any place similar to what I'm referring to?
Banana Boi
05-01-17, 21:45
I think you're referring to The Pimp. Here are a few. https://www.siam2nite.com/en/locations/gentlemen-clubs.
I think you're referring to The Pimp. Here are a few. https://www.siam2nite.com/en/locations/gentlemen-clubs.I think it might be it. From what I read, the Pimp sounds like a hostess / coyote bar with hot girls, but you might not be able to fuck. The place I remember, had girls available for sex and had even higher VIP kinda girls like actresses or models from magazines. Sorry if I'm asking a lot of questions, just trying to clarify and get a better sense, I do appreciate your response.
All the info I did read about the pimp, I haven't really heard anyone picking up girls they're, just guys spending a shit load of money to talk to girls there?
Grandaddy Perp
05-02-17, 00:55
I think you're referring to The Pimp. Here are a few. https://www.siam2nite.com/en/locations/gentlemen-clubs.The pimp isn't a brothel. It's more of a show and hostess style bar but on the high end. These places are more geared for businessmen and the ladies don't easily go with customers. You have to work at them over a few visits and spend a bit of money at the club to be able to have sex.
I think what the previous Poster is talking about are the model sections of some of the soapies. The Lord and previously Poseidon, Copa Cabana, Emmanuelle had some editorial models to choose from but they would cost 10k-20 k and you had to be a regular. A lot of these top girls were also not made available to walk-in foreigners.
Member #4591
05-02-17, 01:22
I read a few years ago about a location in Bangkok that was like an upscale brothel or something similar, had stunning women and supposedly the mamasan of management offered a sort of binder of photos from models, women from Playboy Thailand magazine, and super hot VIP women to choose from. It was pricey but I never remembered the name of this location. Does this ring a bell for anyone, or any place similar to what I'm referring to?The Pimp.
However, there are no upscale brothels. This and other clubs like it are called G Clubs. They specialize in nightclub atmospheres while you pay for the company of a beautiful lady. She sits and drinks with you for the whole night. They normally require membership fees which are purchased by buying set packages which include a certain amount of bottles. Non-member packages are available at some clubs but are more expensive. For example 4,000 baht per bottle at the Pimp. Often they have Promotions. You pay an hourly rate to the club for the lady such as 1,200 Baht for the first hour and 300 Baht for every hour after that that. There is however, no guarantee that you will get to sleep with the girl. You pay only for her to sit and drink with you. There is normally not a book to choose from. The ladies will be brought to your table to choose. Often 20 or 30 at a time. If you are lucky and can pay, you can take her out at the end of the night. They are not permitted to leave until closing unless permission is granted by their boss. ST will start at 6,000 Baht and LT is normally not discussed or considered. However at these clubs, everything regarding take out is also YMMV. The girl is not obligated to sleep with you. The Popa and Momason will be able to recommend the ladies that are open to this but it is generally not the best option. They will add on extra for themselves and often insist on your tab exceeding x amount of money to qualify. The best way to sleep with a G club girl is to make her an offer she can't refuse when she is being your hostess for the night. If she likes you, there a good chance she will go with you.
My suggestion is for you to visit Lords or Poseidon on Ratchada. This is more of the atmosphere I think you are looking for because FS is 100% guaranteed because that is their business scope, G Clubs business scope is 100% focusing on selling bottles packaged into a memebership and renting the girls time to sit with you.
Does anyone know if soapy massage parlors like Nataree or Caesar are still closed? If yes then why and what is the alternative?
Thanks.
555 no I don't *need* them to get the curtains for me. I just would prefer it if they weren't getting aggressive because I couldn't find out which side of the door to open the curtains (as I am new to CH). I see no reason for them to act like they are in the mafia. The service staff there really need to dial back the attitudes. As for the signing thing, the wait staff forcibly grabbed my arm, threw a pen into my hand and wrestled with me to force me to sign it. Wouldn't even take the time to explain this to me like a human being, just nope. You're a piece of shit ATM, do this, go here, give us money.I am going to admit the behavior of some members of staff is bad and who knows when you select a newbie girl there.
Last night two Indian gentlemen were arguing outside the front door with door staff. I don't believe they came in. Perhaps were being asked to pay something up front (or being denied entry). So there is discrimination. Exactly how the discrimination works or reasons are not clear. Obviously Indians in general are not viewed as desirable. I just walked straight through the front door unchallenged. They would recognise my face and know I have taken a girl plenty of times.
Geronimo (tats and piercings) and also Miss "Soccer ball tits" had been BFed and were leaving with two guys, perhaps as a group, or just coincidence to be leaving exact same time.
I eventually called a new girl to me No. 29 Eun (funny name). When I indicated to the waitress I would her a drink, the girl was not on my lap and spoke to the waitress. I did not hear. The waitress did not look at me to confirm anything, and just headed off. So I knew the two drink scam was on. I needed to chase after the waitress and check. Sure enough the girl had ordered two drinks even though I had tried to signal the waitress just one drink. So I told the waitress she was crap. The waitress said it wasn't her fault, since the girl ordered two drinks. Of course it is. It is clearly up to the customer to order drinks. This does not normally happen to me. I will in future avoid this waitress, also this dancing girl, and also ensure that any girl tells me what she wants to drink and I do the ordering with the waitress. Eun had a pretty face but she blew it. Definitely did not get any chemistry with her.
I can see that this scam is rife with any new customers in the bar but should not be attempted with me. The newbie girl did not know me though.
I observed two Asian guys sitting with drinks but no Bill container. One waitress asked them what was happening most likely, but the communication against loud music was not working. Could be that the waitress and the customers all spoke weak English. I presume the two guys had paid their bill, but were intending to finish their drinks before leaving. Their beers were only half consumed. This is unusual. Normally the bar expects people to pay their bill at the end of stay, and leave after receiving change. However from a customer point of view, it can be annoying if have to wait a long time for the change which has occasionally happened, when bar very busy.
So yes, there are problems in this bar. I will still go there, because I have 3 favorite girls still working there sometimes. It is believed that Crazy House are taking over the Old Dutch lease when it expires. This means they will be expanding into there, perhaps hoping to rival Bacarra for business levels. They will probably need two dancing stages downstairs so not sure how well it will work. Also I think Crazy House has been declining for last 2 to 3 years, so will they have enough business to support the expansion.
Naam used to be No. 54 is back dancing with a new number (72 or 73 I think) and with big sillies, not dancing nude any more. I have lost interest in her. She preferred Koreans anyway. All the numbers 71,72 , 73 75 seems to be new girls or old girls returning. One of the old girls used to have a good body but protruding ears. Now has hair covering the ears so looks very different. Also now sporting a belly scar from navel downward making an extended landing strip. So I guess probably had a baby most likely, although I don't see that the tits are saggy at all so maybe some other problem. It is such a long time since I tried a new girl at CH. I am probably just going to stick to my old sure fire ones until a stunner arrives.
In Cowboy in general I saw pretty girls out the front of several bars, one each at Kiss, Midnite, Jungle Jim's and forget the other one. Not much use of course girls at the Iranian "Arab's" bars. The general rumours, well known in the Cowboy, persists that he deals in Weapons and his bars are just for money laundering purposes, but don't actually make any money. Maybe will try Jungle Jim's one day.
WTF, only 1 guy pays and other 10 guys want a share for free. That's being cheap at its finest. LOL.
Similar joke will be 1 guy paying for buffet entry for 2 hours, and all his friends are waiting outside of the restaurant, taking turns to get in with every one eating for 10 minutes. LOL.
By the way, by the time I'm typing this, I just saw a Bangladeshi guy haggling for room price at the hotel reception for nearly an hour. LOL.Some may think it's an unfair stereotype, but. I've seen it far too often!
Though on my last trip I also saw a 50-60-ish white gentleman argue with a tuk tuk driver at the front of the mall over money agreed upon for the trip, that was a difference of a 100 thb! I thought "Really? Over less than $3 American, you're going to argue with this poor third world guy?
I was getting ready to walk over and pay the difference myself, when a policeman showed up and I thought better of getting involved at all. I haven't been enough to understand what might be perceived as an offensive gesture, but geez.
Haggling is one thing, but being a cheap ass for no reason is just annoying.
Last night two Indian gentlemen were arguing outside the front door with door staff. I don't believe they came in. Perhaps were being asked to pay something up front (or being denied entry). So there is discrimination. Exactly how the discrimination works or reasons are not clear. Obviously Indians in general are not viewed as desirable.The reasons are not clear? Seriously? It's been clarified many times on this forum over the years. Indians, Arabs, and Blacks (non American) are not allowed in many of the gogos because the gogos have had so many problems with those type of people in the past that they prefer not to allow them in. There are detailed stories posted on this forum in the past documenting examples of the problems the bar owners/girls have had. I am not saying it's right for them to use that "members only" line and not allow certain guys in, but I do understand why they do it. It's pretty clear.
It's not just Thailand, the same applies in Indonesia in some circumstances with those same 3 ethnic groups. Taxi drivers in Indonesia prefer not to pick Indians, Arabs or Blacks up simply because many times they are not polite or refuse to pay the fare on the meter.
And for sure it's not racism because American Blacks are welcomed (if they know he is American). It's African blacks they don't want. They also gladly allow Indians or Arabs into any club if accompanied by a white or asian guy because they find those type of guys have been exposed to different cultures so they are not as culturally challenged and thus won't cause them problems.
I was getting ready to walk over and pay the difference myself, when a policeman showed up and I thought better of getting involved at all. I haven't been enough to understand what might be perceived as an offensive gesture, but geez.Did LE make the guy pay the cab driver?
And for sure it's not racism because American Blacks are welcomed (if they know he is American). It's African blacks they don't want. They also gladly allow Indians or Arabs into any club if accompanied by a white or asian guy because they find those type of guys have been exposed to different cultures so they are not as culturally challenged and thus won't cause them problems."Culturally challenged". Good one!
Over less than $3 American, you're going to argue with this poor third world guy?One should never argue with a Thai person, because loss of face. The problem can be rectified passively by allowing them to save face. Don't accuse them of being liars or having a bad memory (stupid). Instead, better to always agree on a price ahead of time. Always. If they can't hold to that price, which I think is pretty rare, then I have no idea what to do. Judgement call at that point.
And yes, I negotiate with people in third world countries all the time. It's not my fault that their country is poor. That's not on me. I pay the market rate, not 2 x the market rate. I'll pay 1. 2 x or 1. 4 x for the falang tax, but I prefer to pay the normal rate. I think people who have free and unrestrained sympathy for random poor people are just weak. They'll think you are weak too and gladly take your money and have no respect for you either.
Some may think it's an unfair stereotype, but. I've seen it far too often!
Though on my last trip I also saw a 50-60-ish white gentleman argue with a tuk tuk driver at the front of the mall over money agreed upon for the trip, that was a difference of a 100 thb! I thought "Really? Over less than $3 American, you're going to argue with this poor third world guy?
I was getting ready to walk over and pay the difference myself, when a policeman showed up and I thought better of getting involved at all. I haven't been enough to understand what might be perceived as an offensive gesture, but geez.
Haggling is one thing, but being a cheap ass for no reason is just annoying.Just other day I caught a motorcycle from Sukhumvit road close to Soi 13, to Sukhumvit Soi 23, he was not located at a specific motorcycle station point. I then asked how much, expecting him to say 40 baht, since that is what a taxi would have cost (but be a bit slowed by traffic). I was shocked when he said 80 Baht. It is already a rip off when they charge 60 Baht to go from Soi 4 to Cowboy, and this was somewhat less. It was late with light traffic too. When I go from Sukhumvit to Seacon Square, that is 5 km though back Sois heavy traffic and costs about 90 Baht, probably less for Thai customers. Metered Taxi from Soi 23 to Soi 85, again at least late at night is normally 80 Baht in traffic, sometimes only 65 Baht in light traffic. More than 5 km.
I said no way, and gave him 50. He did not argue at all. Just accepted it was fair. I could not have paid much more without going to 7 Eleven to change a 1000 Baht note. I agree with Parkville that I can accept slightly over the Thai price. Tuk Tuk drivers are largely scammers, so not unexpected for customers to be arguing with them about the price. I almost never go by Tuk Tuk, unless there is really not viable alternative. Even then you have to know what is a fair price and agree to it. Not worthwhile to get involved in other people's problems, when it is over such trivial things, especially in Thailand. No one will help you, in this situation.
I normally pay when getting ripped off to avoid big trouble, if amount is not too serious. However in my early days, 25 years ago, I refused to pay when a bar in Pat Pong tried to rip me off (despite signs saying no cover charge). My buddy who spoke Thai fluently had left already, leaving me with the bill and the hassle. LOL I was allowed to leave, when I stood my ground to pay for the drinks only, but don't know if it could have gone bad. I was not going to pay for shows that were ugly and I had no interest in whatsoever. They would have noticed I paid no attention to the shows. The argument was so silly. I indicated that their doormen have the signs indicating no charge for shows, no cover charge. They asked what was the badge number of the guys, since they have no employees working at the door. LOL Laughable bullshit, and I did laugh for sure no matter how serious they tried to look. That I spoke some limited Thai, possibly suggested I was very experienced here, when actually I wasn't.
I welcomed them to call the police, if they wanted to, probably a bad idea as they could come up with crooked police. Better to have your own tourist police contacts to call. Pat Pong did have a Tourist Police booth in those days.
Just other day I caught a motorcycle from Sukhumvit road close to Soi 13, to Sukhumvit Soi 23, he was not located at a specific motorcycle station point. I then asked how much, expecting him to say 40 baht, since that is what a taxi would have cost (but be a bit slowed by traffic). I was shocked when he said 80 Baht.The price of rides on motorcycle taxis is something I have never understood. Many times they try to charge as much or more than a taxi. Considering one of those motorbikes costs about 5 percent of what a car costs, their price should be drastically lower than a taxi.
Banana Boi
05-03-17, 14:20
For motorbikes and tuk tuks, it's the consistency in pricing that drives me crazy but, As Syzy mentioned, if you confidently pay a fair price they won't balk since they realize you know what the going rate is. I guess same applies to girls too.
It's why I love the baht buses in Pattaya. You know it's 10 baht and you can get a pretty nice little tour just sitting on one.
Member #4591
05-03-17, 14:47
Felt like doing a Go Go last night so headed to Soi Cowboy. First I checked out Baccara but it was jammed with Japanese customers and no chairs. There were so many ladies on the stage and really, I don't know how anyone can navigate that place anymore. It was one of my favourites 6 years ago when I first came to Bangkok but not anymore.
Next, I took a walk down the Soi and was hoping there were some cuties in Deja Vu like the ones on the Bangkok 1112 videos but alas from 9-10 there were very few ladies working. It must be a late start there.
After that, I went into Suzy Wongs. Only about 15 ladies there. Some were dancing topless and some were dancing in bikinis but their panties had holes so you could see their pussies. Sat and drank with an old favorite for about 30 minutes. Spinner with blond hair. I think Syggs knows who I'm talking about.
Then, I got bored and headed over to Thermae. I was dressed in a suit from the office but out of a jammed packed bar with about 150 ladies, I only received 2 smiles. Obviously that night the Japanese were in town in droves and were monopolizing the market.
Finally I headed to Nana to Billboard. Upon entering, I noticed many natural looking spinners unlike the many other previous times I had gone and walked out, I stayed. One hot tub girl caught my eyes and I motioned her to come over. She just gave me a strange look and pointed at the waitress. Previous to that another hot tub girl was motioning for me to call her over but I had my sites on this one. Finally, the server came over and said to me. She wants 2 drinks or she won't come over and talk with you. This was very strange and a first for me. I said I wanted her to come over and I of course would buy her a drink or 2 and maybe bar fine her. The server says if you cannot guarantee 2 drinks, she won't come. I became angry and swore in Thia to her. Called over the manager and complained. He told me that this is a rule that all the dancers can't come off the stage unless they get 2 drinks. I pointed out the rudeness of the service and the girl, he apologized and I went back in. Then I noticed a lady on the opposite stage and motioned for her to come over. Again the same blank look and turning away. I lost my temper at this point and went back to the manager. He was furious with the server and demanded her to get the lady off the stage. I immediately ordered 5 shots for her and 2 more beers for me. This girl is number 25. Spinner with big tits, 26 years old. We danced and flirted until I barfined her. Barfine is now 700 for short time and 1000 for LT. I did short time at a local ST hotel off of Soi 4 just after Hillary 4, you turn left. The session was excellent with lots of DFK and multiple positions. She is only 3 weeks in the biz. I paid her 4,000ST feeling in a generous mood. She was a real sweet heart. The sex was incredible and we never talked about the price beforehand so I know she would have accepted 2000. Anyways, the session lasted for almost 3 hours and the ST room was only 300 Baht. This was well worth the money for all.
On a side note for all the newbies. This girl, begged for my line ID and number so she's could see me tonight. I thought, why not.
She wanted to take the night off work and arranged to meet me at The Mall Bangkapi. 2 hours before our meeting she started sending me messages to confirm our meeting saying please come and don't stand me up. I assured her I would be there. After looking through her Line app timeline I decided to comment on one of her posts. I posted love at first site in Thai language. Very flirty thing to do and Thai girls always love when I say it. It's also a good way to test for boyfriends. It weeds out the liars. The last thing I need is a jealous Thai boyfriend. To make a long story short. We never met as after posting, I was blocked on Line and by phone number. This is a great example for newbies because you all need to know that many of these girls have Thai boyfriends. Some even know about their jobs and don't care. Be smart before getting into any kind of relationship with these girls. If you really like one, this is a sure fire way to find the lies about no boyfriends and so on. Some members may think it's ok to mess around with a Thai lady with a Thai boyfriend but I don't like drama so I always test them like this.
On a side note for all the newbies. This girl, begged for my line ID and number so she's could see me tonight. I thought, why not.
She wanted to take the night off work and arranged to meet me at The Mall Bangkapi. 2 hours before our meeting she started sending me messages to confirm our meeting saying please come and don't stand me up. I assured her I would be there. After looking through her Line app timeline I decided to comment on one of her posts. I posted love at first site in Thai language. Very flirty thing to do and Thai girls always love when I say it. It's also a good way to test for boyfriends. It weeds out the liars. The last thing I need is a jealous Thai boyfriend. To make a long story short. We never met as after posting, I was blocked on Line and by phone number. This is a great example for newbies because you all need to know that many of these girls have Thai boyfriends. Some even know about their jobs and don't care. Be smart before getting into any kind of relationship with these girls. If you really like one, this is a sure fire way to find the lies about no boyfriends and so on. Some members may think it's ok to mess around with a Thai lady with a Thai boyfriend but I don't like drama so I always test them like this.There is a book called PRIVATE DANCER by Stephen Leather that is a great read and I recommend it to everyone. I think you can download the pdf online if you don't want to buy the book. That book is great for newbies to let them know the facts about the Thai bar girls. Very accurate and funny as well.
I get lots of Thai girls Line contacts. However, I simply use it to contact them via text messages. I would only consider commenting on their timeline if I knew them quite well already and was actually considering a serious relationship with them (there has been one Thai bar girl in 20 years I would put in that category). Although definitely possible, I doubt a Thai boyfriend would be a problem because, as you mentioned, most of them (almost all of them) know about their jobs and don't care. Most (almost all) of the Thai boyfriends love that she is making money from as many customers as possible. The money she makes from you goes to the boyfriend so he can buy drugs, booze, new tires for his motorbike, etc. However, I realize these girls have multiple customers and I don't want the other customers getting upset when they see another guy is commenting on her Line account. That could end up costing her money in the long run. A lot of these girls have guys sending them money every month thinking the girl has stopped work and is waiting patiently for their return. As unethical as that may be on her part, it is normal with these Thai bargirls and who am I to interfere with her income? Posting it in Thai doesn't hide it's meaning from non Thai speakers these days due to apps like google translate.
Member #4591
05-03-17, 16:48
There is a book called PRIVATE DANCER by Stephen Leather that is a great read and I recommend it to everyone. I think you can download the pdf online if you don't want to buy the book. That book is great for newbies to let them know the facts about the Thai bar girls. Very accurate and funny as well.
I get lots of Thai girls Line contacts. However, I simply use it to contact them via text messages. I would only consider commenting on their timeline if I knew them quite well already and was actually considering a serious relationship with them (there has been one Thai bar girl in 20 years I would put in that category). Although definitely possible, I doubt a Thai boyfriend would be a problem because, as you mentioned, most of them (almost all of them) know about their jobs and don't care. Most (almost all) of the Thai boyfriends love that she is making money from as many customers as possible. The money she makes from you goes to the boyfriend so he can buy drugs, booze, new tires for his motorbike, etc. However, I realize these girls have multiple customers and I don't want the other customers getting upset when they see another guy is commenting on her Line account. That could end up costing her money in the long run. A lot of these girls have guys sending them money every month thinking the girl has stopped work and is waiting patiently for their return. As unethical as that may be on her part, it is normal with these Thai bargirls and who am I to interfere with her income? Posting it in Thai doesn't hide it's meaning from non Thai speakers these days due to apps like google translate.3 weeks in the biz would mean it was because of her Thai boyfriend and not a customer. My comment could have been radiotherapy deleted by her so obviously her boyfriend saw it. She said she was single LOL. For the newbies, never believe a word they say. This story was just a good example for all.
I'm more interested if anyone has experienced the same at Billborad as I did. This bar girl story was just for added fun.
I am going to admit the behavior of some members of staff is bad and who knows when you select a newbie girl there.
Last night two Indian gentlemen were arguing outside the front door with door staff. I don't believe they came in. Perhaps were being asked to pay something up front (or being denied entry). So there is discrimination. Exactly how the discrimination works or reasons are not clear. Obviously Indians in general are not viewed as desirable. I just walked straight through the front door unchallenged. They would recognise my face and know I have taken a girl plenty of times.
Geronimo (tats and piercings) and also Miss "Soccer ball tits" had been BFed and were leaving with two guys, perhaps as a group, or just coincidence to be leaving exact same time.
I eventually called a new girl to me No. 29 Eun (funny name). When I indicated to the waitress I would her a drink, the girl was not on my lap and spoke to the waitress. I did not hear. The waitress did not look at me to confirm anything, and just headed off. So I knew the two drink scam was on. I needed to chase after the waitress and check. Sure enough the girl had ordered two drinks even though I had tried to signal the waitress just one drink. So I told the waitress she was crap. The waitress said it wasn't her fault, since the girl ordered two drinks. Of course it is. It is clearly up to the customer to order drinks. This does not normally happen to me. I will in future avoid this waitress, also this dancing girl, and also ensure that any girl tells me what she wants to drink and I do the ordering with the waitress. Eun had a pretty face but she blew it. Definitely did not get any chemistry with her..Yes there is discrimination at Ch. I am of Indian origin, living in New York, I was stopped outside Ch and asked for an ID, I was with a girl in spite of that, I asked him why to which he said India, I showed him my New York drivers license and told him to take a flying fuck, I walked away and told him I will not enter a disrespectful bar like yours, don't know if that really mattered to him, however I can ensure he lost out on a lot of business that day and still is doing so. So probably that is what the Indians were arguing about.
I posted love at first site in Thai language. Very flirty thing to do and Thai girls always love when I say it. It's also a good way to test for boyfriends. It weeds out the liars. The last thing I need is a jealous Thai boyfriend. To make a long story short. We never met as after posting, I was blocked on Line and by phone number. This is a great example for newbies because you all need to know that many of these girls have Thai boyfriends.Nice. What exactly did you say in Thai? As I want to try this as well. But I'm thinking maybe I'll post in English and Thai. Mostly to see if there is falang sponsor or 4. I rather P4 P for no more than 3-4 days if they have sponsors that they are milking. They'll just disappear as soon as their sponsor is in town and leave me hanging if there is any emotions involved, or seee if I will financially compete with the sponsor (LOL, no thanks).
Although, I am curious. What actual difficulties does a Thai "boyfriend" pose? Is there a concern for violence here? Or are you just concerned that she'll dissapear and only to reappear when she and her BF need more money?
Oh, as for violence. Here is a Thai threatening a Russian at gunpoint, telling him to stay away from his GF: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOIHxZGWMZ4.
Member #4591
05-03-17, 17:10
Oh, as for violence. Here is a Thai threatening a Russian at gunpoint, telling him to stay away from his GF: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOIHxZGWMZ4.This is the exact reason.
Felt like doing a Go Go last night so headed to Soi Cowboy. First I checked out Baccara but it was jammed with Japanese customers and no chairs. There were so many ladies on the stage and really, I don't know how anyone can navigate that place anymore. It was one of my favourites 6 years ago when I first came to Bangkok but not anymore.
Next, I took a walk down the Soi and was hoping there were some cuties in Deja Vu like the ones on the Bangkok 1112 videos but alas from 9-10 there were very few ladies working. It must be a late start there.
After that, I went into Suzy Wongs. Only about 15 ladies there. Some were dancing topless and some were dancing in bikinis but their panties had holes so you could see their pussies. Sat and drank with an old favorite for about 30 minutes. Spinner with blond hair. I think Syggs knows who I'm talking about.
Then, I got bored and headed over to Thermae. I was dressed in a suit from the office but out of a jammed packed bar with about 150 ladies, I only received 2 smiles. Obviously that night the Japanese were in town in droves and were monopolizing the market.
Finally I headed to Nana to Billboard. Upon entering, I noticed many natural looking spinners unlike the many other previous times I had gone and walked out, I stayed. One hot tub girl caught my eyes and I motioned her to come over. She just gave me a strange look and pointed at the waitress. Previous to that another hot tub girl was motioning for me to call her over but I had my sites on this one. Finally, the server came over and said to me. She wants 2 drinks or she won't come over and talk with you. This was very strange and a first for me. I said I wanted her to come over and I of course would buy her a drink or 2 and maybe bar fine her. The server says if you cannot guarantee 2 drinks, she won't come. I became angry and swore in Thia to her..The Same happened to me on Monday night, I spotted a girl on the rotating stage and kept asking for her to come down, she kept showing me a V sign. Did not understand, again after competing a rotation she smiles again and shows me the V sign, I kept thinking she was saying that she would be there in 2 min, but she never came down, asked the waitress to call her, she replied I need to buy her 2 drinks to get her down from stage, finally I understood what the V sign meant, anyway got her down from there, treated her to the 2 drinks. This is when things got greedy, the waitress asked me to buy her a drink, an older mamasan popped out from somewhere and asked for a drink and insisted that I bar fine the girl, I asked her to give me 5 minutes to talk to her, so we started talking. I asked her how long have you worked here, she replied 2500 baht, I said no not your short time rate, to which she answered 4000 baht. I said don't want to know your long time rate. This time the reply was 700 baht, finally I understood this Dame was new to the English language, Took out my phone showed her what I said In Google translate, finally got a reply of 4 weeks. Lost total interest in her, thinking that I will need Google translate for the rest of my evening if I was going to take her which did not seem like a very good option, anyway another 5 minutes passed and she ordered another 2 drinks for herself and one for me, not something I was very happy about. Then came the relief, one of her friends then came up and said some thing to her in Thai, she excused herself for 5 minutes, I saw this as a golden chance called the waitress asked her to settle the bill which was 1930 baht, quite bad for 15 minutes I would say, anyway handed over 2000 baht to the waitress, she asked me if I did want to bar fine the girl, I told her it is my last night here, tomorrow I head back, it's only 9.30 pm the night is young let me enjoy, she nicely smiled and said OK, as I was making my way outside the bar, the mamasan spotted me and started shouting bar fine, I simply ignored her and walked away.
Oh, as for violence. Here is a Thai threatening a Russian at gunpoint, telling him to stay away from his GF: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOIHxZGWMZ4.I'm not saying that's not possible. But that video is obviously staged and fake. (Either that or the Russian guy just happened to have his camera pointed in the one and only position that perfectly filmed the encounter and the Thai guy was fine with standing there in the only position he could have stood to be perfectly filmed with the door open and his gun pulled out rather than going into the room and closing the door to conceal that he was holding a gun on a guy). And if that did happen, it wouldn't likely be the Thai boyfriend of a bar girl.
I'm more interested if anyone has experienced the same at Billborad as I did. .I have been to Billboard many many times. I have never had any girl there ask me to buy them 2 drinks at first. One time a girl asked for a tequila/cola and I told her to choose between a tequila and a cola. She chose cola.
For the newbies, never believe a word they say.Agreed. Also never believe them when they tell you they are only 3 weeks in the biz. .
Member #4591
05-03-17, 17:58
Agreed. Also never believe them when they tell you they are only 3 weeks in the biz. .Stating she said she was 3 weeks in the business does not mean I believed her mate. Anyways it was a good example of what these ladies will say.
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