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05-03-17, 17:58
Agreed. Also never believe them when they tell you they are only 3 weeks in the biz. .Stating she said she was 3 weeks in the business does not mean I believed her mate. Anyways it was a good example of what these ladies will say.
I'm not saying that's not possible. But that video is obviously staged and fake. (Either that or the Russian guy just happened to have his camera pointed in the one and only position that perfectly filmed the encounter and the Thai guy was fine with standing there in the only position he could have stood to be perfectly filmed with the door open and his gun pulled out rather than going into the room and closing the door to conceal that he was holding a gun on a guy). And if that did happen, it wouldn't likely be the Thai boyfriend of a bar girl.I think that it wasn't fake (maybe he had multiple cameras). I recall reading a news article where he apolgized and paid him some small amount of money (no jail time, TIT).
I became angry and swore in Thia to her. Called over the manager and complained. He told me that this is a rule that all the dancers can't come off the stage unless they get 2 drinks. I pointed out the rudeness of the service and the girl, he apologized and I went back in. Then I noticed a lady on the opposite stage and motioned for her to come over. Again the same blank look and turning away. I lost my temper at this point and went back to the manager. He was furious with the server and demanded her to get the lady off the stage. I immediately ordered 5 shots for her and 2 more beers for me. This girl is number 25. Spinner with big tits, 26 years old. We danced and flirted until I barfined her. Barfine is now 700 for short time and 1000 for LT. I did short time at a local ST hotel off of Soi 4 just after Hillary 4, you turn left. The session was excellent with lots of DFK and multiple positions. She is only 3 weeks in the biz. I paid her 4,000ST feeling in a generous mood. She was a real sweet heart. The sex was incredible and we never talked about the price beforehand so I know she would have accepted 2000. Anyways, the session lasted for almost 3 hours and the ST room was only 300 Baht. This was well worth the money for all.
On a side note for all the newbies. This girl, begged for my line ID and number so she's could see me tonight. I thought, why not.
She wanted to take the night off work and arranged to meet me at The Mall Bangkapi. 2 hours before our meeting she started sending me messages to confirm our meeting saying please come and don't stand me up. I assured her I would be there. After looking through her Line app timeline I decided to comment on one of her posts. I posted love at first site in Thai language. Very flirty thing to do and Thai girls always love when I say it. It's also a good way to test for boyfriends. It weeds out the liars. The last thing I need is a jealous Thai boyfriend. To make a long story short. We never met as after posting, I was blocked on Line and by phone number. This is a great example for newbies because you all need to know that many of these girls have Thai boyfriends. Some even know about their jobs and don't care. Be smart before getting into any kind of relationship with these girls. If you really like one, this is a sure fire way to find the lies about no boyfriends and so on. Some members may think it's ok to mess around with a Thai lady with a Thai boyfriend but I don't like drama so I always test them like this.You did not point out the "rudeness" of the service to us. Did you do the swearing or the service staff? Just got a bit confused by that bit. Would be nice if they explained it was a rule that a girl cannot come without the 2 drinks from the start, to avoid confusion.
I think Doll House also had this silly rule recently about different BF amount for ST or LT for some girls. The downside of this is, if you take ST, the girl is expected back at the bar within some time limit that is going to be at most 2 hours, perhaps less, or otherwise there will be a penalty. The time limit may not apply if it falls outside closing time. Sometimes the girl may not care. This is probably a thing with girls designated as "Coyotes".
I never had the two drink problem at Billboard, because I was always willing to wait till girl got off the rotating stage. However I can see that to get a soap suds girl you probably have to buy the two drinks, since they seem to take a very long time to rotate off the soapy bath area.
I can identify with trickiness of meeting up with girls. They can be very unreliable. I had this girl, originally from Twisters, later seen again in recent Pat Pong bar, but seemingly working bar only occasionally when fits her schedule. She said around Songkran 10 or 11 April, she would like to come to me privately. Yet she always took a very long time to read any of my messages. Hello why is that? LOL. So I had to ask permission to ring her and chat since you can't have a message conversation with someone who delays so much. So day before Songkran she messages me to say she is available. I answered her message within 10 minutes, after getting out of the shower, but by this time she had said, too late, she has now invited her mother over. Ha Ha. Do I believe that? Not much. Next day I ask is she really serious about meeting. By this time she is not reading any of my messages at all any more. I have probably been either blocked or hidden. You do get these girls playing games juggling men, probably one is supposed to be a BF I guess. We all don't have time for girls to be seriously messing around with saying meet but actually not available.
Nice. What exactly did you say in Thai? As I want to try this as well. But I'm thinking maybe I'll post in English and Thai. Mostly to see if there is falang sponsor or 4. I rather P4 P for no more than 3-4 days if they have sponsors that they are milking. They'll just disappear as soon as their sponsor is in town and leave me hanging if there is any emotions involved, or see if I will financially compete with the sponsor (LOL, no thanks).
Although, I am curious. What actual difficulties does a Thai "boyfriend" pose? Is there a concern for violence here? Or are you just concerned that she'll disappear and only to reappear when she and her BF need more money?
I know the correct Thai but decided against this. I don't like to cause trouble for Thai girls that are not doing m any harm. Yes there is a risk a Thai girl can get beaten up by a Thai "boyfriend". Beating up the Mrs is well accepted in Thai society. Girls don't always even have free will to leave some guy if he won't allow it. My GF had to do a runner when her boyfriend was not home, taking what important possessions she could, and make sure he could never find where she had gone. She was beaten up when he was drunk and in a bad mood. She did fear for her safety. This was before I met her. Thai police do not protect girlfriends.
You are far better off if a girl has one or more Farang BFs. When girls come to realise, that I am not jealous, not controlling, accepting that there maybe other men, and that I bring no hassles or problems, only fun, they start to see my advantages for casual meets instead of young selfish possessive and controlling males. The girl can tell me only as much as she pleases but eventually realises there is no need to tell me lies. We can have fun together as friends but include good sex together, because I am hassle free with no controlling behaviours, and no jealousy.
What's good for the Gander is good for the Goose. I play around. I expect horny types of girls also do so. If a girl is relatively unhorny type, she ceases to become really useful to me sexually. Okay My GF does not have high and frequent sexual needs, so does not play up. Means she also does not provide sufficiently sexually. I would love to have sex with her nearly every day, but it is not going to happen.
Recall the story about a Suzie Wong girl that could not come to work, because she had black eyes from being beaten by her Thai boy drug addict when she did not supply him enough money. Why did she acquire this Thai boy? She had a really good Farang sponser before that that, who she eventually lost due to the Thai boy no doubt, once he found out. I think her name was something like Nun / Noon. May have this wrong now. However her name has appeared on this forum 2 or 3 years back. A pushy girl with ugly body including half coconut implants up top on a non curvy thick body, not my type at all.
Cultural differences: http://thearticulateceo.typepad.com/my-blog/2011/08/cultural-differences-monochronic-versus-polychronic.html.
"Though they can be easily distracted they also tend to manage interruptions well with a willingness to change plans often and easily. People are their main concern (particularly those closely related to them or their function) and they have a tendency to build lifetime relationships. Issues such as promptness are firmly based on the relationship rather than the task and objectives are more like desirable outcomes than must do's. ".
Thai people do not see time in the same way that falangs do. They respect people over time, if that makes any sense. And since there are multiple people in their life, this means that people on lower priority get ditched in favor of those with higher priority. But also because they want to avoid loss of face (for both parties), p4p girls will never outright deny a request to meet. And they will go and do what they want, on the basis of priority for that day (no plans, or better things to do occur naturally).
In general, expect nothing when making plans (actually, better to make plans with multiple for this cultural reason), and tend to avoid those who don't show up promptly (it indicates that they have better things to do now and in the future).
Cultural differences: http://thearticulateceo.typepad.com/my-blog/2011/08/cultural-differences-monochronic-versus-polychronic.html.
"Though they can be easily distracted they also tend to manage interruptions well with a willingness to change plans often and easily. People are their main concern (particularly those closely related to them or their function) and they have a tendency to build lifetime relationships. Issues such for that day (no plans, or better things to do occur naturally).
as promptness are firmly based on the relationship rather than the task and objectives are more like desirable outcomes than must do's. ".
Thai people do not see time in the same way that falangs do. They respect people over time, if that makes any sense. And since there are multiple people in their life, this means that people on lower priority get ditched in favor of those with higher priority. But also because they want to avoid loss of face (for both parties), p4p girls will never outright deny a request to meet. And they will go and do what they want, on the basis of priority
In general, expect nothing when making plans (actually, better to make plans with multiple for this cultural reason), and tend to avoid those who don't show up promptly (it indicates that they have better things to do now and in the future).Ha ha. Love it man! Exactly. Always have a backup plan when your main girl is not 100% reliable. When the girl says we will meet tomorrow, the chances are actually very low. If she says we will sleep together tonight, the chances improved a lot but still not certain. She asks me later did I book the liaison Hotel for more than one night, LOL? Of course not. There was not that level of certainty she would not change her mind.
I try to behave in such a way as to make girls think I am hassle free, and don't have to be lied to, due to no jealousies. I can then move up their priority list, because I don't make big problems. They can blow off the young selfish, possessive controlling types that bring problems. Right now am happy to be either the special girl's no. 2 man or close it, without the responsibility to be her official BF (who doesn't know everything that is going on). Can be good for the girl to pick up an older understanding man, that can still get her off okay.
If the girl is not available, she can say so, no loss of face with me. I don't mind. It's a lot better than being stuffed around. The problem is recent girls don't understand. Longer term girls may get it.
Some Thai girls never answer a question with a Yes.
A Thai Yes means "maybe". A Thai "Maybe" means "No". A Thai "tomorrow" means "probably not tomorrow but maybe someday". A Thai "Today for sure" means reasonable chance will happen. A Thai "I am leaving now" means "I will think about leaving sometime soon" , "I am in the taxi" means "I am still waiting to get a taxi, I will call for a taxi soon".
The best way for a Thai girl to answer very probing unwanted questions, is just to be indignantly silent. This avoids being caught out telling blatant lies. We are better off if we did not ask those questions. I try to let girls tell me only as much as they want to tell me.
HorseTrader
05-04-17, 04:57
Cultural differences: http://thearticulateceo.typepad.com/my-blog/2011/08/cultural-differences-monochronic-versus-polychronic.html
Thai people do not see time in the same way that falangs do. They respect people over time, if that makes any sense. And since there are multiple people in their life, this means that people on lower priority get ditched in favor of those with higher priority. But also because they want to avoid loss of face (for both parties), p4p girls will never outright deny a request to meet. And they will go and do what they want, on the basis of priority for that day (no plans, or better things to do occur naturally).
A Thai Yes means "maybe". A Thai "Maybe" means "No". A Thai "tomorrow" means "probably not tomorrow but maybe someday". A Thai "Today for sure" means reasonable chance will happen. A Thai "I am leaving now" means "I will think about leaving sometime soon" , "I am in the taxi" means "I am still waiting to get a taxi, I will call for a taxi soon".
The best way for a Thai girl to answer very probing unwanted questions, is just to be indignantly silent. This avoids being caught out telling blatant lies. We are better off if we did not ask those questions. I try to let girls tell me only as much as they want to tell me.This sort of behavior can stay with Thai women even when they move to USA and become USA citizens. I dated one such widow for 3 years, with her living with me for the final 10 months. Then she started becoming unreliable, just like described above. After one weekend when she missed all planned activities I told her not to come to my house that evening and stay at her daughter's house. The next day I changed my house locks and hauled all her things to the front door for her pickup.
Her priorities were (1) whatever she felt like doing even if it wasn't what she previously agreed to do. (2) activities with her adult USA citizen children, (3) activities with her Thai girlfriends who are living in USA, and (4) pre planned activities with me, the man who owns the house she has been living in for free. I tossed her out of my house 1. 5 years ago. Last month I got a call from her girlfriend asking for a place to stay at my house since her husband kicked her to the curb.
This unreliable nature of Thai women is causing me problems again. I'm working on thaifriendly and line to select a girl to accompany me on my next trip to Koh Samui. It's easy to find girls to agree, but how many yes answers do I need to get one that will actually get on that airplane with me? 2? 4? 6?
One should never argue with a Thai person, because loss of face. The problem can be rectified passively by allowing them to save face. Don't accuse them of being liars or having a bad memory (stupid). Instead, better to always agree on a price ahead of time. Always. If they can't hold to that price, which I think is pretty rare, then I have no idea what to do. Judgement call at that point.
And yes, I negotiate with people in third world countries all the time. It's not my fault that their country is poor. That's not on me. I pay the market rate, not 2 x the market rate. I'll pay 1. 2 x or 1. 4 x for the falang tax, but I prefer to pay the normal rate. I think people who have free and unrestrained sympathy for random poor people are just weak. They'll think you are weak too and gladly take your money and have no respect for you either.Problem is not $3, I know it's peanuts, however the problem is ethics, tell me if the uber / regular cabbie in New York or LA. Or for that matter any developed country would do this, once you reach your destination ask for fare higher than the meter or the app, and ask you to pay more cause you are a foreigner or cause there was way too much traffic on the road. Transparency is always appreciated, I did not even take a motorcycle taxi even once during this trip, stick to regular taxis and asked for the Meter, on one occasion I took a cab outside terminal 21, I saw the driver shut off the meter at a switch located near his left leg, and told me no meter you pay 100 baht for Soi 26 (holiday inn, which is right in the beginning of the Aoi), asked him to stop the cab, got out at the Asoke Intersection and caught the next one. Again it was not the 50 baht that I probably saved but ethically the cabbie was wrong.
This sort of behavior can stay with Thai women even when they move to USA and become USA citizens.I will put my response in Thailand Lounge and Chat Area thread.
Grandaddy Perp
05-04-17, 06:16
There is a book called PRIVATE DANCER by Stephen Leather that is a great read and I recommend it to everyone. I think you can download the pdf online if you don't want to buy the book. That book is great for newbies to let them know the facts about the Thai bar girls. Very accurate and funny as well.
I get lots of Thai girls Line contacts. However, I simply use it to contact them via text messages. I would only consider commenting on their timeline if I knew them quite well already and was actually considering a serious relationship with them (there has been one Thai bar girl in 20 years I would put in that category). Although definitely possible, I doubt a Thai boyfriend would be a problem because, as you mentioned, most of them (almost all of them) know about their jobs and don't care. Most (almost all) of the Thai boyfriends love that she is making money from as many customers as possible. The money she makes from you goes to the boyfriend so he can buy drugs, booze, new tires for his motorbike, etc. However, I realize these girls have multiple customers and I don't want the other customers getting upset when they see another guy is commenting on her Line account. That could end up costing her money in the long run. A lot of these girls have guys sending them money every month thinking the girl has stopped work and is waiting patiently for their return. As unethical as that may be on her part, it is normal with these Thai bargirls and who am I to interfere with her income? Posting it in Thai doesn't hide it's meaning from non Thai speakers these days due to apps like google translate.
There is a book called PRIVATE DANCER by Stephen Leather that is a great read and I recommend it to everyone. I think you can download the pdf online if you don't want to buy the book. That book is great for newbies to let them know the facts about the Thai bar girls. Very accurate and funny as well.
I get lots of Thai girls Line contacts. However, I simply use it to contact them via text messages. I would only consider commenting on their timeline if I knew them quite well already and was actually considering a serious relationship with them (there has been one Thai bar girl in 20 years I would put in that category). Although definitely possible, I doubt a Thai boyfriend would be a problem because, as you mentioned, most of them (almost all of them) know about their jobs and don't care. Most (almost all) of the Thai boyfriends love that she is making money from as many customers as possible. The money she makes from you goes to the boyfriend so he can buy drugs, booze, new tires for his motorbike, etc. However, I realize these girls have multiple customers and I don't want the other customers getting upset when they see another guy is commenting on her Line account. That could end up costing her money in the long run. A lot of these girls have guys sending them money every month thinking the girl has stopped work and is waiting patiently for their return. As unethical as that may be on her part, it is normal with these Thai bargirls and who am I to interfere with her income? Posting it in Thai doesn't hide it's meaning from non Thai speakers these days due to apps like google translate.I agree with everything you said except the Private Dancer comment. As a quick, easy, and mildly entertaining weekend read its good but using it as an anthropological reference isn't recommended and I actually discourage people who are getting into the scene not to read it. The only thing that it actually gets moderately right is the description of the western sexpat.
As to your second point, I think that posting comments of the nature that BKKDOG detailed is of the mentality that gives farang sexpats a bad name in Thailand.
As guests, there should be a certain level of respect shown toward these ladies. They are professionals, its there job to 'stroke' the male ego. There is an entire industry that brings them up and trains and conditions them to discover what a man wants and to give it to him and in doing so they can make a living. As in any profession, you have workers of different skill-sets and motivations. Some are honest and go to work each day just wanting to make a living and maximizing their earning potential, while others are more lazy and don't put much effort and just get by on looks or understand that the customer base is mostly one-offs.
Part of the job is acting. Its presenting a guy with their dream woman scenario. Some of the more experienced ladies who take pride in their work will be able to feel out what you want very quickly and adjust to accommodate your desires. The less experienced ones may take a session or two. Others won't care and just do what they do but most will present a persona that often times is not a accurate representation of their personal lives. Most of these ladies are also not proud of what they do and they sure as hell don't like it when their business life spills over into their personal life. Having some foreigner post on their Line timeline and then booting him off is an example of this. Nothing screams Thai sex worker like some farang (unless they are young and handsome) making flirty comments on your social media wall, especially when the comments are in the google interpretation of Thai.
Where foreigners get into trouble, mostly of their own doing, is when they stop seeing them as professionals or they never see them as equals. Just because you pay them for a bit of sex and psychological counseling, doesn't mean you own them outside of the agreed to time that you paid them for. You're a customer, they are sales people + service provider and some of the more business minded ladies do what sales people do, they will make you feel special so you come back for more. So if you are able to get a Line contact or phone number from a lady you paid to have sex with, it shouldn't be considered as an invite for a potential no-strings attached relationship. Consider it to be a VIP pass for her services. To avoid confusion, one should look at the situation and take account of what's really going on. Are there any red flags like I am 50 and she 22 or I have never been called handsum in my life but here is this lady telling me how handsum and sexy I am while I ram my cock up her ass and then CIM. Perspectives.
And since we are on the subject of perspectives, the whole violent abusive Thai guy thing is a bit overplayed. When you consider the amount of disrespect westerners, especially tourists and sexpats show toward Thai women and subsequently Thai men, we should be seeing a lot more violent crimes in the news but we don't. As far as abusive, again, I think that people who mostly operate within certain levels of society will see and hear things that are indicative of the socio-economics of those people. The less educated or closed minded types will then apply what they see to the populace as a whole. So if I meet up with 10 MP girls and 5 of them say that they often are abused by their farang customers, I could say that all farang men are abusive but I know better given that I myself am a farang and where I come from the only men who are known for being stereotypical abusive are guys who where tank tops, drink a 24 pack of Budweiser in an afternoon while watching NASCAR.
I am going to admit the behavior of some members of staff is bad and who knows when you select a newbie girl there.
Last night two Indian gentlemen were arguing outside the front door with door staff. I don't believe they came in. Perhaps were being asked to pay something up front (or being denied entry). So there is discrimination. Exactly how the discrimination works or reasons are not clear. Obviously Indians in general are not viewed as desirable. I just walked straight through the front door unchallenged. They would recognise my face and know I have taken a girl plenty of times.As an Indian I have had to pay a "entry fine" of 500 baht to enter CH. I think the problem is that Indians are perceived as "cheapskates" who don't spend, just come there to ogle at the girls, create a fuss if challenged and the like. Due to the fact that Thailand is one of the countries that provide visa on arrival for Indians, it attracts a lot of tourism from the lower strata of society with behavior to match. At least I want to think that way but I have seen supposedly educated Indians behaving obnoxiously in German FKK's with the girls so I'm wondering if there's more to it than that.
Yes there is discrimination at Ch. I am of Indian origin, living in New York, I was stopped outside Ch and asked for an ID, I was with a girl in spite of that, I asked him why to which he said India, I showed him my New York drivers license and told him to take a flying fuck, I walked away and told him I will not enter a disrespectful bar like yours, don't know if that really mattered to him, however I can ensure he lost out on a lot of business that day and still is doing so. So probably that is what the Indians were arguing about.So possibly being from USA, you would possibly be accepted as a likely useful customer.
Not sure what you want respect for. However your decision. I don't go to a monger venue looking for respect. As long as not continuously hassled. I don't need a Wai from the staff. I don't need anyone to suck up to me. In fact I dislike it. I have been refused entry to some Japanese oriented establishments. However if I was begrudgingly allowed in, I would not be concerned if they have no respect for me. After all I am just a hopeless guy lusting for naked girls. Probably the Japanese manager at Can Cam does not like me because I speak to the girls in Thai that he can't understand, however should I care what he thinks of me? No way. I don't give a flying fuck.
If I liked Baccara, or was interested, I would put up with their door policy bullshit of buying drinks before entering, however since I don't like the girls or the crowded set up, I don't bother.
I just wonder if those demanding high respect are a little pompous. There is no perfection in monger venues. There are nice people and assholes all mixed in together. I don't care if some staff hate me, as long as my target girls remain fun, or I can find new target girls, I am happy.
If I go in the Thermae, am I shown respect? Not at all. Some guy at the door will be pushing me toward making a drink order, before I even had a chance to see if there is any point to stay for a while. I have to say I am just checking if a friend is there, type bullshit. I will buty a drink if line up looks to have possibilities, but even then may strike out. However whether I go and whether I stay long purely depends if I can find a girl giving a good vibe with the right look. Others don't want to talk to me at all. Too bad. Get used to it.
In my home country, doormen would select the customers to be allowed into a disco. I found that I could get in easily if accompanied by a hot girl. By myself, not likely, "we're full right now".
If idiot people treat you badly, you lose if you let it affect you, and I do lose at times when my mood is spoiled. However my objective is to become serenely oblivious to the idiots, take no notice of them, and win because they fail to have an effect or influence on my mood or enjoyment of the day. This is the Buddhist way, even I am not a true proper Buddhist. Some of the teachings though have a lot of merit.
Stay happy. Don't get stressed out by bullshit happening everywhere.
After that, I went into Suzy Wongs. Only about 15 ladies there. Some were dancing topless and some were dancing in bikinis but their panties had holes so you could see their pussies. Sat and drank with an old favorite for about 30 minutes. Spinner with blond hair. I think Syggs knows who I'm talking about.
I have not been in Suzi that frequently for many months now. I don't know if any of my former favorite girls are still there. Probably not. I can't actually think who might be blonde right now. Can't say I noticed an obvious blonde, or have I forgotten?
Long gone girls: Paula, Phiao, Jar, Ma, bisexual Bo, NooDee.
Suspected gone girls: Knot, Dtom, Noi, Naam, Anne, Pat, Yao, etc. A couple of other important names escaping me.
A large portion of my girls did lesbian shows at some time, exceptions might be Noo Dee, Ma, Noi, and Jar. Almost never had a had a bad fuck from Suzi Wong. However my favourites would have been the better GFE ones. I do forget the bad ones, but was quite rare. Ma with big tits a bit saggy was the very best fuck of them all, most likely but some others had great enthusiasm.
Sheba was actually my favourite bar till it closed and amalgamated with Suzi. Crazy fun in there. Does Suzi W still have naked shows including the lesbian show?
The price of rides on motorcycle taxis is something I have never understood. Many times they try to charge as much or more than a taxi. Considering one of those motorbikes costs about 5 percent of what a car costs, their price should be drastically lower than a taxi.I think it's all about speed. Motorcycle taxis split lanes, weave around traffic jams, will even hop into sidewalks and go the opposite direction on stalled roads. They charge more because it might only take them 5 minutes to get you to a destinatiion it would take an auto taxi, tuk-tuk or bus 1 hour to take you. I often take them for that reason.
Hotman 666
05-04-17, 10:13
Some Thai girls never answer a question with a Yes.
A Thai Yes means "maybe". A Thai "Maybe" means "No".And NOBODY knows what a Thai girl means by NO as they never use the word!
Hotman.
And NOBODY knows what a Thai girl means by NO as they never use the word!
Hotman.A Thai girl has so many ways to say NO, whether in English or Thai. "Mai chai", "mai ao", "mai wang", "mai chorp", No thanks, Not today, etc.
So possibly being from USA, you would possibly be accepted as a likely useful customer.
Not sure what you want respect for. However your decision. I don't go to a monger venue looking for respect. As long as not continuously hassled. I don't need a Wai from the staff. I don't need anyone to suck up to me. In fact I dislike it. I have been refused entry to some Japanese oriented establishments. However if I was begrudgingly allowed in, I would not be concerned if they have no respect for me. After all I am just a hopeless guy lusting for naked girls. Probably the Japanese manager at Can Cam does not like me because I speak to the girls in Thai that he can't understand, however should I care what he thinks of me? No way. I don't give a flying fuck.
If I liked Baccara, or was interested, I would put up with their door policy bullshit of buying drinks before entering, however since I don't like the girls or the crowded set up, I don't bother.
I just wonder if those demanding high respect are a little pompous. There is no perfection in monger venues. There are nice people and assholes all mixed in together. I don't care if some staff hate me, as long as my target girls remain fun, or I can find new target girls, I am happy.
If I go in the Thermae, am I shown respect? Not at all. Some guy at the door will be pushing me toward making a drink order, before I even had a chance to see if there is any point to stay for a while. I have to say I am just checking if a friend is there, type bullshit. I will buty a drink if line up looks to have possibilities, but even then may strike out. However whether I go and whether I stay long purely depends if I can find a girl giving a good vibe with the right look. Others don't want to talk to me at all. Too bad. Get used to it..Yo bro these type of things don't really bother me. As I mentioned before I am of Indian origin and definitely look Indian, half my life I have lived in India only, latter half has been in the US but the very thing of discrimination is pissing off, but like I said earlier it's their loss. Had I been inside would have had a couple of drinks, probably bar fined a woman, all of that would have added to their revenue but they chose to be idiotic, anyway I do take these type of things positively, I moved on to thermae after that, met a glorious looking babe. It was 1. 30 am already has these idiots not pissed me off, I would have not reached thermae and had the amazing night I did have, so in a way thanks to those idiots at CH. Also on that night I did happen to go to thermae at 8.30 pm at that point it was packed with Japanese and Koreans, and there were more than 100 girls over there, I did manage to get at least 10 smiles out of the lovely gals over there at that point in time I thought it was too early for taking someone back home, however at 1.30 am I was happy to be back there and met this lovely smiling chick whom I did hook up with and had a great night. So in the long run, whatever happened was for the better.
Also about this chic from thermae, the good thing about her was she was not a regular bar girl / massage girl and her assets were quite intact, her pussy was tighter, her boob's were not hanging, her nipples were normal, she worked in a salon during the day and came here couple of time a week for the extra money, this experience seemed better on the whole, there was no pushing me for drinks, the only drink I bought was for 105 be, she already had her beer In Her hand, the place was not dim so I could see her clearly, there were more than 100 girls to choose from at any point in time, there were no ladyboys mixed as they are not allowed, most the girls were young and slim, somehow I would feel this is a better option. Will try it more next time.
The price of rides on motorcycle taxis is something I have never understood. Many times they try to charge as much or more than a taxi. Considering one of those motorbikes costs about 5 percent of what a car costs, their price should be drastically lower than a taxi.At many motorbike stations, they have a board that lists the prices to specific locations, in Thai of course. If a short distance it will be cheaper than a taxi which costs at least 40 Baht. Motorbikes have the inconvenience that they are not officially allowed to collect a passenger from any location, instead they should be returning to the official station with no passenger. This is a stupid rule in a way in that it adds unnecessary overhead, since essentially we pay the price to be taken somewhere and for the motorcycle to return to the starting position. Also it causes many drivers to be waiting in a queue for a passenger at some locations, where other locations have a shortage at some times of the day.
I note that for longer distances, Thais can bargain a cheaper price. So it might be Farang surcharge or heavy weight surcharge. Even if I don't get a cheaper price, the time saving is worth it for me. So motorcycle return from Petchburi / Ekkamai intersection to Soi Cowboy cost me 120 baht which seems a bit excessive. I was expecting more like 90 Baht since wasn't a really difficult trip using back Sois, but he probably applied Farang surcharge and since it was from a Soapy to Cowboy, that probably influenced the price. Taxi would have taken longer perhaps 25 to 30 minutes to go 5 km through moderately heavy traffic, and perhaps might have cost only 70 to 80 Baht. Motorcycle probably took little more than 10 minutes.
The official price in 2015, for up to 2 km was 25 Baht, 5 baht for each additional km up to 5 km and then 10 Baht for each additional km up to 15 km. So 5 km trip should have cost me only 50 Baht, I guess, maybe 60 Baht if just over 5 km. Some guys might have charged somewhere around this region, and the Thais can probably get around this price. At 120 Baht I was clearly ripped off. I should have negotiated the price before we departed, since it is not a set destination with a set price shown on a board. Taxi would cost 60 baht for same trip, possibly 80 in traffic.
So the bottom line is yes, Motorcycles should be cheaper than a taxi and quicker. The only reason it is not cheaper is when we get ripped off. They have no meter, so for any non standard trip, negotiate a price if you are concerned.
The other night from Soi 13 to Soi 23 was less than 1 km so should have cost 25 Baht tops, allowing for inconvenience to cross Soi Asoke. He asked for 80 Baht and I just refused to give him more than 50. Nana Plaza to Cowboy is about 1. 3 km. Cost should be about 30 Baht, yet they are asking for 60 Baht. This is clearly a rip off. If pick up the motorcycle from some other nearby location the price will probably be cheaper or can be negotiated cheaper.
Member #4591
05-04-17, 13:53
I have not been in Suzi that frequently for many months now. I don't know if any of my former favorite girls are still there. Probably not. I can't actually think who might be blonde right now. Can't say I noticed an obvious blonde, or have I forgotten?
Long gone girls: Paula, Phiao, Jar, Ma, bisexual Bo, NooDee.
Suspected gone girls: Knot, Dtom, Noi, Naam, Anne, Pat, Yao, etc. A couple of other important names escaping me.
A large portion of my girls did lesbian shows at some time, exceptions might be Noo Dee, Ma, Noi, and Jar. Almost never had a had a bad fuck from Suzi Wong. However my favourites would have been the better GFE ones. I do forget the bad ones, but was quite rare. Ma with big tits a bit saggy was the very best fuck of them all, most likely but some others had great enthusiasm.
Sheba was actually my favourite bar till it closed and amalgamated with Suzi. Crazy fun in there. Does Suzi W still have naked shows including the lesbian show?I suspect it was Yao. She comes and goes.
Carpaccio18
05-04-17, 14:20
Does Suzi W still have naked shows including the lesbian show?I'll probably drop by tonight, so if I hang around long enough I may figure out.
At many motorbike stations, they have a board that lists the prices to specific locations, in Thai of course. If a short distance it will be cheaper than a taxi which costs at least 40 Baht. Motorbikes have the inconvenience that they are not officially allowed to collect a passenger from any location, instead they should be returning to the official station with no passenger. This is a stupid rule in a way in that it adds unnecessary overhead, since essentially we pay the price to be taken somewhere and for the motorcycle to return to the starting position. Also it causes many drivers to be waiting in a queue for a passenger at some locations, where other locations have a shortage at some times of the day.
I note that for longer distances, Thais can bargain a cheaper price. So it might be Farang surcharge or heavy weight surcharge. Even if I don't get a cheaper price, the time saving is worth it for me. So motorcycle return from Petchburi / Ekkamai intersection to Soi Cowboy cost me 120 baht which seems a bit excessive. I was expecting more like 90 Baht since wasn't a really difficult trip using back Sois, but he probably applied Farang surcharge and since it was from a Soapy to Cowboy, that probably influenced the price. Taxi would have taken longer perhaps 25 to 30 minutes to go 5 km through moderately heavy traffic, and perhaps might have cost only 70 to 80 Baht. Motorcycle probably took little more than 10 minutes.
The official price in 2015, for up to 2 km was 25 Baht, 5 baht for each additional km up to 5 km and then 10 Baht for each additional km up to 15 km. So 5 km trip should have cost me only 50 Baht, I guess, maybe 60 Baht if just over 5 km. Some guys might have charged somewhere around this region, and the Thais can probably get around this price. At 120 Baht I was clearly ripped off. I should have negotiated the price before we departed, since it is not a set destination with a set price shown on a board. Taxi would cost 60 baht for same trip, possibly 80 in traffic.
So the bottom line is yes, Motorcycles should be cheaper than a taxi and quicker. The only reason it is not cheaper is when we get ripped off. They have no meter, so for any non standard trip, negotiate a price if you are concerned.
The other night from Soi 13 to Soi 23 was less than 1 km so should have cost 25 Baht tops, allowing for inconvenience to cross Soi Asoke. He asked for 80 Baht and I just refused to give him more than 50. Nana Plaza to Cowboy is about 1. 3 km. Cost should be about 30 Baht, yet they are asking for 60 Baht. This is clearly a rip off. If pick up the motorcycle from some other nearby location the price will probably be cheaper or can be negotiated cheaper.In Indonesia, they have an Uber type of service for motorcycle taxis called "Go-Jek". The price of that motorcycle service is much cheaper than what the motorcycle taxis have charged over the years. Does Thailand have that? If so, I would think the prices have dropped dramatically like they did in Indonesia.
Member #4591
05-04-17, 15:18
Does Suzi W still have naked shows including the lesbian show?The Lesbian shows happen around midnight and a little after.
I suspect it was Yao. She comes and goes.Yao was a skinny girl with baby stretch marks, and now with implants. Can't really picture her being blonde.
Tonight tried to get a motorcycle from Sukhumvit to Ratchada Soi 7. Distance is 4. 3 km. Rider wanted 120 Baht. I offered 80. He was not interested. I took the MRT. Much cheaper.
Called into The Lord. They were pretty busy. 40 girls on show perhaps, maybe a bit less. I am told they have 100 girls each night so others had to be busy. Price categories for Farang are R 4800, O 5300, M 5800, K , L, XL and XX, Did not see any above a K, so they were either upstairs or busy. 90 minutes session. Never found any girl quite as stunning as K35 I spotted first visit a few weeks ago.
After looking quite some time, picked an M level girl, Maybe was M36? Name was Jaeng from Chiang Rai. Very white skin (not the reason), all natural looking (a reason) and cute nose. 25 YO no babies. I believe The Lord does not accept any girls with babies or tram tracks on belly etc. Tats are accepted but my girl had none and no piercings. Face was an 8, not quite stunning, figure a 7 (slightly disappointing when clothes were off), Tits Acup naturals firm. Ass so so.
Supposedly the service was guaranteed to be super here. She was playful in the bath and liked to make naughty jokes. BBBJ in the bath scores a 6.
There was virtually no kissing beyond a peck so she cannot qualify for GFE at all. She seemed extremely sensitive and either orgasmed from DATY in fairly short time or faked it. She did not tolerate doggy very well, but O.K. in other positions with legs a little on the stiff side. Her BBBJ was only a 6 at best, Her handjob somewhat better but I did not go there to get wanked.
Girl said she gets 3000 baht from non farang customers' fees, so house must be taking at least 2300 per booking. That is very steep overhead.
Overall assessment of her:
Skills average, level of fun average, GFE missing, body average, face well above average. My top 3 pretty girls ever from Crazy House were prettier, more GFE and more fun on the bed and cheaper. My recent Evita girl was very comparable in many things, slightly behind for face looks, but better ass, and better BBBJ and good GFE/DFK, at a fraction of the price. The Evita girl was less fun in the bath not having been taught well enough most likely.
I think one would have to spend significant time in The Lord to meet the real super stunners. They must be mostly busy and not in the line up. Without getting the super stunners, I fail to see how the other girls are really worth the price. Probably many guys will have a regular girl that looks good, is a lot of fun, fucks really great and stays all night for quite a bit less money. I am probably done with The Lord. There is just no value. O.K. for the very rich guys they take a membership and wait around to find the super stunners.
I went to The Lord expecting extra super service. I did not get that. It was O.K. but all too ordinary. To pay big money you need something out of this world, right. BTW 50% of The Lord girls have implants and a very high percentage have nose jobs. Some guys will like this. It is not a plus for me. I would automatically avoid sillies, and only take an extra subtle nose job.
If I am going to repeat the best girls I find, I know I can get one vastly cheaper such as my Evita 2K girl, and so do her a lot more often for the same money, plus get 2 hours, and get a good GFE. Its a no brainer. Collect maybe some more girls like her or even prettier but still at a good price. For guys that don't like repeating, its a roll of the dice if they get a girl that is any good. So I imagine most will want extra cheap, if going to roll the dice on the performance level.
Next assignment will be to try some cheaper Smooci girls I guess, to see if can get an exceptional girl from that source. Obviously it could be hit and miss so will have to try more than once. Also should try Tulip and SW again and see if any of the girls are palatable. I know the odd girl at Mango is O.K. for me.
My summary of The Lord girls, is the line up may have the odd stunner, plenty of non stunners, but overall is underwhelming for a guy like me allergic to surgeries. Sure they look significantly better than a Bacarra line up to me, on average but that still isn't the answer. I don't see myself paying high prices for fake stuff. There are still some average bodies there covered up. I mean average compared to best nude girl figures in the gogos. The Lord have got this game sewn up and can get away with the very high prices because the elite customers will pay them and having a large set of girls puts them well in front of other up market joints.
I was told that my white skinned girl hardly ever gets a Farang customer, because Farangs like dark skin Issan girls with big eyes and big noses. LOL Yet I picked her due to lack of surgeries and a cute little nose.
Wolvenvacht
05-05-17, 07:20
Has anybody happen to buy this oral contraceptive table named "AnNa" (see attached pics). Apparently I got to grab two of them and considering Thailand's infamous fake drug supplies, need a trustworthy place to get them.
A shop / chain near the central area would be best. I hope some of you will be able to point me out.Any pharmacy will do. I really doubt it that a pharmacy will sell you fake contraceptives: there will be no market for such.
It is very tough to negotiate a price with a motorcycle driver. There is no way he is going to give the same price to a Farang that he might give to a Thai. Does not help that I am larger than Thais and weigh 90 Kg. You can negotiate better with a taxi driver, since he is aware you can just pass and try the next taxi. With motorcycles it is not like that. They work as a gang. Some other driver in the group is not going to give you a better price. I think as Farangs we have to be prepared to be ripped off a little by motorcycle riders to go significant distances. It's just a question of how much you are willing to be ripped off. I must admit to accepting the 60 Baht from Nana to Cowboy even though it is only just over 1 km and should be 25 Baht, perhaps 40 Baht max.
Last night I wanted to go 4. 3 km. A slightly difficult trip to Ratchada with traffic. He wanted 120 Baht. Official price for Thais should be 50 Baht based on distance. I knew damn well a taxi would cost a lot less than 90 but be very slow. I was willing to go to perhaps 90 baht. I wanted to get there quicker than taxi. He was not intending to make a better offer. Had to change plan and take the MRT (underground). Much more comfortable and a nice safe quick trip with short walk from Cultural Centre stop at the end. Fortunately MRT was not too packed. Probably cost me 25 Baht on MRT or close to that. Just 3 stops away.
Member #4591
05-05-17, 10:33
Yao was a skinny girl with baby stretch marks, and now with implants. Can't really picture her being blonde.When I asked her name, that's what is sounded like. Your description does not match hers so I guess it's not the same girl. She has a real spinner body, be cups and a nice pussy.
Carpaccio18
05-05-17, 10:43
The Lesbian shows happen around midnight and a little after.Dropped by last night. Same same. There's nudity as well as these bodypaint shows and the waitress told me there would also be lesbian shows later.
In any case, I didn't hang around for more than one beer. There was zero girls that attracted me in the lineup, they were either too old or too unattractive.
Carpaccio18
05-05-17, 11:24
Went to Soi Cowboy last night, and since I had vowed not to go to CH, I firstly headed to Suzie Wong. No a single girl attracted me in there so I only had one beer then left. Next I wanted to go by Shark, but judging from the girls out front, it did not seem to provide any promises of improvement over Suzie Wong, so I skipped Shark and went for Tilac. Sat and had a beer in there while checking the lineup. Only about half of the girls were wearing the signature skirt without panties. The rest had some black hotpants instead. With a very few exceptions, all the girls in skirts were quite too old for my taste. There were a few of the girls in hotpants who looked kind of OK, but nothing that had any interrest to me.
I didn't feel like going to Nana, so basically had to forget my vow and go back to Crazy House. The difference in lineup quality is really remarkable, CH have multiple good looking girls. It was still somewhat early (around 10 pm) so plenty of girls to see and the place wasn't as packed as it gets later on. Many Japanese customers in there yesterday. I rejected quite a few girls but finally offered a drink to no 93 (said her name is Yam or something). Somewhat tall, blonde die, skinny build and from Cambodia, but more white skinned than cambodian usually are (as I remember). Anyhow, pleasant to talk to, OK english and a sense of humor. Nice company, but not really my preferred body type and don't really like braces either, so did not try to close the deal or offer BF. I think she felt that I wasnt going to do that, so after a few dances she didn't come back. I suppose she was able to close a deal somewhere quickly, she is quite hot. I had my eyes on no 11, but not able to get in contact with her. Think I was not the only only one who fancied her.
Generally speaking, I didn't have the same bad vibes as my last visit to CH, on the contrary, I had quite a good evening in there.
In the end, I finally BFed a nice girl whose name and number elude me (quite a few Jacks down at that point) - could have been 83 but not sure. Anyhow brought her back to my hotel for ST (2500 bht). She was nice and not shy, but service was not great. No BJ, didn't like DATY, didn't fancy doggy too much. All in all a very mediocre service.
Gannaton48
05-05-17, 11:41
Tonight tried to get a motorcycle from Sukhumvit to Ratchada Soi 7. Distance is 4. 3 km. Rider wanted 120 Baht. I offered 80. He was not interested. I took the MRT. Much cheaper.
Called into The Lord. They were pretty busy. 40 girls on show perhaps, maybe a bit less. I am told they have 100 girls each night so others had to be busy. Price categories for Farang are R 4800, O 5300, M 5800, K , L, XL and XX, Did not see any above a K, so they were either upstairs or busy. 90 minutes session. Never found any girl quite as stunning as K35 I spotted first visit a few weeks ago.
After looking quite some time, picked an M level girl, Maybe was M36? Name was Jaeng from Chiang Rai. Very white skin (not the reason), all natural looking (a reason) and cute nose. 25 YO no babies. I believe The Lord does not accept any girls with babies or tram tracks on belly etc. Tats are accepted but my girl had none and no piercings. Face was an 8, not quite stunning, figure a 7 (slightly disappointing when clothes were off), Tits Acup naturals firm. Ass so so.
Supposedly the service was guaranteed to be super here. She was playful in the bath and liked to make naughty jokes. BBBJ in the bath scores a 6.
There was virtually no kissing beyond a peck so she cannot qualify for GFE at all. She seemed extremely sensitive and either orgasmed from DATY in fairly short time or faked it. She did not tolerate doggy very well, but O.K. in other positions with legs a little on the stiff side. Her BBBJ was only a 6 at best, Her handjob somewhat better but I did not go there to get wanked.
Girl said she gets 3000 baht from non farang customers' fees, so house must be taking at least 2300 per booking. That is very steep overhead.
Overall assessment of her:
Skills average, level of fun average, GFE missing, body average, face well above average. My top 3 pretty girls ever from Crazy House were prettier, more GFE and more fun on the bed and cheaper. My recent Evita girl was very comparable in many things, slightly behind for face looks, but better ass, and better BBBJ and good GFE/DFK, at a fraction of the price. The Evita girl was less fun in the bath not having been taught well enough most likely.
I think one would have to spend significant time in The Lord to meet the real super stunners. They must be mostly busy and not in the line up. Without getting the super stunners, I fail to see how the other girls are really worth the price. Probably many guys will have a regular girl that looks good, is a lot of fun, fucks really great and stays all night for quite a bit less money. I am probably done with The Lord. There is just no value. O.K. for the very rich guys they take a membership and wait around to find the super stunners.
I went to The Lord expecting extra super service. I did not get that. It was O.K. but all too ordinary. To pay big money you need something out of this world, right. BTW 50% of The Lord girls have implants and a very high percentage have nose jobs. Some guys will like this. It is not a plus for me. I would automatically avoid sillies, and only take an extra subtle nose job.
If I am going to repeat the best girls I find, I know I can get one vastly cheaper such as my Evita 2K girl, and so do her a lot more often for the same money, plus get 2 hours, and get a good GFE. Its a no brainer. Collect maybe some more girls like her or even prettier but still at a good price. For guys that don't like repeating, its a roll of the dice if they get a girl that is any good. So I imagine most will want extra cheap, if going to roll the dice on the performance level.
Next assignment will be to try some cheaper Smooci girls I guess, to see if can get an exceptional girl from that source. Obviously it could be hit and miss so will have to try more than once. Also should try Tulip and SW again and see if any of the girls are palatable. I know the odd girl at Mango is O.K. for me.
My summary of The Lord girls, is the line up may have the odd stunner, plenty of non stunners, but overall is underwhelming for a guy like me allergic to surgeries. Sure they look significantly better than a Bacarra line up to me, on average but that still isn't the answer. I don't see myself paying high prices for fake stuff. There are still some average bodies there covered up. I mean average compared to best nude girl figures in the gogos. The Lord have got this game sewn up and can get away with the very high prices because the elite customers will pay them and having a large set of girls puts them well in front of other up market joints.
I was told that my white skinned girl hardly ever gets a Farang customer, because Farangs like dark skin Issan girls with big eyes and big noses. LOL Yet I picked her due to lack of surgeries and a cute little nose.I must sayn your report made me smile: you did'nt take the motorbike because of 40 Baht but gave 5800 Baht for a mean girl. Each his thing, right?
I find the lesbian show at Suzi Wong's to be boring. The one at the bar at the very end of the street across from baccara used to be awesome back around 2007. The girls they had in that show were stunning. I think that bar was called My Place or something like that back then. The one at Sheebas around that time was also quite good. The best ever was at Hollywood (now billboard) in Nana back around 2000. Hollywood used to rock back then.
I went to Billboard in Nana, the 2 drink rule was present with regards to ladies on the stage. I got 2 drinks for the best looking one there, to get her off the stage. Nice body, face and young, tall, busty, nice bubble ass and looked 19-20. But was really flaky, as is often the case with young girls. She indicated interest in in barfine. But a few problems. 1, not enough chemistry developing, her back was turned to me most of the time and she seemed distracted a lot. 2, she was more interested in talking to her friend, who seems to follow her around everywhere like it's some kind of nightclub and it's their special ladies night out. 3, when she was present and alone, she was looking around the place a lot so this is an obvious signal for lack of interest. 4, went to the "toilet" 2 times. I inquired how much and it was 700 baht BF and 3000ST. I just smiled, indicating "good luck with that" and she quickly left. She then proceeds to go to a table almost right next to mine, and probably does the same stupid stuff and as she didn't last long there either.
So I am looking for better talent now. I see a girl with a rather hot body. Actually it wasn't, but the way she carried herself made her look hot. Very slutty / sensual dancing, confident, and muscular / tone and isaan short / tan (which I do like, it's *one* of my types, not my favorite but it has its place). I was almost fairly certain she was on yabba, which well. Has it's pro's and con's. Feeling the need for a freak, to make up for the gogo queen, I got her a lady drink. I indicated I would only pay for 1 and that's what went through. She was very slutty with regards to dancing, just fun all-around. And yeah, 2 classic signs of yabba use: sweating and fingernail polish breath (she made out with me a lot). Also, the very confident and hyper / crazy shennegans were another clue to how high she was. I saw the mamasan looking at her, concerned about her erratic / raunchy behavior. BF'ed her ST and she was even more strung out and distracted in the room. But was okay, just paying for sex nothing else. And there are benefits to them being high (certainly not a starfish, just easily distracted and changing positions a lot). Offered 2500ST, but negotiated down to 2000ST. Also, back in the room, I was concerned she was going to go crazy and start biting (ie: like bite my lip off) if she got triggered somehow. And she did bite/punch quite a bit, my taste buds still hurt from when she bit my tongue.
Finally, the first girl walked by while the raunchy replacement was putting in quite a bit of effort (as she did the entire time). Not sure what her expression was as I didn't want to look at her (awkward) but I noticed a sour-face. Good luck with that. I mean, she's the one who walked off and was really flaky the whole time. I guess being that hot and young is enough service / value for some, so in-part, I don't blame her. But when you send obvious signals of being a potential starfish it scares customers away from BF. And also, I got away from Pattaya to avoid the 3000ST that is so common there. So, seeing 3000ST slap me in the face first thing in Bangkok was a turnoff so I just simply could not BF her nor did I even want to bother negotiating down.
Gannaton48
05-05-17, 21:51
Because I have plans to be in BKK within a couple of weeks, I would like to ask loals if the beergarden on Soi 7 (one of my favorite in afternoon) will finally close or not. Any news? Thanks!!
Because I have plans to be in BKK within a couple of weeks, I would like to ask loals if the beergarden on Soi 7 (one of my favorite in afternoon) will finally close or not. Any news? Thanks!!Well it depends.
Do you mean the beer garden at the end of Sukhumvit 7/1 Alley, around the corner of cheap charlies?
If so, then yes, last weekend was "finale".
CaptJack555
05-06-17, 05:09
Hi,
I visited Bangkok last week and didn't have the best experience.
I'm in my early 30's, Malay (darker skin) and consider myself pretty good looking. Anyway went to Thermae Bar (first time) and got turned down twice. Felt like crap! (never happened in my life? As I understand the girls here can be picky and prefer the Korean / Japanese types? So I maybe won't go back there. Eventually headed over to Climax where I met this girl at the bar, works at a hair salon, only comes in rarely. Etc etc. Anyway took her back to my hotel and had a great time.
Since then I have been communicating to her via line and told her I am back in BKK next wk. She seems keen to meet and I wouldn't mind having a guide / sex buddy. Her English is pretty good.
My question is.
1. How much should I be paying her per day? I paid 5 k for ST last time (I think I got ripped.) seems like I could have got a better girl from a soapy place for around 3 k. Yes / no? I didn't bargain (and rarely do, is that a must in BKK?
2. If I do decide to try and find another girl (for a few days) is it better to approach soapy girls and get a day rate happening rather than freelance girls at Thermae / Insanity / Climax etc?
3. What are the Soapy prices so cheap (3 k) compared to Freelance girls (5 k for ST) - assuming the boss gets a cut from the soapy that means the girl makes like 1.5 k per customer?
Any advice on how to hook up with a attractive girl for a few days would be appreciated. Everyone talks about Nataree for freelance girls, but now that is closed where have all the freelance ladies gone??
Thanks,
Cptjack.
Well it depends.
Do you mean the beer garden at the end of Sukhumvit 7/1 Alley, around the corner of cheap charlies?
If so, then yes, last weekend was "finale".I am suspecting your memory is playing some tricks here.
Cheap Charlies is off Soi 11 acording to Google Maps and is marked closed. I don't know it. Not relevant.
The well known Beer Garden is in Soi 7 not 7/1 and was open when I visited it recently. I did not enquire about a future closure.
Parkville,
I am agreeing with your assessment that the Billboard girls were not really worthwhile.
Interesting tip re Ya Ba breath. I have taken Ice users before and not noticed anything with breath since they were smokers as well. Breathe like nail polish in the old days indicated a glue sniffer. Haven't found such a girl recently. Still its vaguely possible.
I have only barfined once from Billboard and I got an exceptionally attentive and lovey dovey girl who did not even specify a ST price. She was great and a repeat. I just got lucky. She since acquired a sponser and does not work there anymore. So I lost contact. She did not really fit in to Billboard well. Not at all raunchy but exceptionally lovely. Great GFE.
Subsequent visits could not find any pretty girl remotely similar that gave the right vibe.
Hunting for the right chemistry is not always easy.
I find the lesbian show at Suzi Wong's to be boring. The one at the bar at the very end of the street across from baccara used to be awesome back around 2007. The girls they had in that show were stunning. I think that bar was called My Place or something like that back then. The one at Sheebas around that time was also quite good. The best ever was at Hollywood (now billboard) in Nana back around 2000. Hollywood used to rock back then.Very end has been Old Dutch forever. Joy Ngwen maybe. It has been replaced by Cockatoos opposite Bacarra. Shebas was my favourite bar till it closed. Suzi W staff doing show may have declined. I have not seen their lesbian show for maybe a year. At one time they had Bo a real bisexual and Dtom very expert. Suzi was similar to Sheba especially just after the amalgamation.
Carpaccio18
05-06-17, 10:27
I went to Billboard in Nana, the 2 drink rule was present with regards to ladies on the stage. I got 2 drinks for the best looking one there, to get her off the stage. Nice body, face and young, tall, busty, nice bubble ass and looked 19-20. But was really flaky, as is often the case with young girls. She indicated interest in in barfine. But a few problems. 1, not enough chemistry developing, her back was turned to me most of the time and she seemed distracted a lot. 2, she was more interested in talking to her friend, who seems to follow her around everywhere like it's some kind of nightclub and it's their special ladies night out. 3, when she was present and alone, she was looking around the place a lot so this is an obvious signal for lack of interest. 4, went to the "toilet" 2 times. I inquired how much and it was 700 baht BF and 3000ST. I just smiled, indicating "good luck with that" and she quickly left. She then proceeds to go to a table almost right next to mine, and probably does the same stupid stuff and as she didn't last long there either.
I think Billboard is a horrible place, been there twice and both times got mega harassed by agressive mamasans repeatedly for taking ladys, lady drinks and more drinks during the 15 minutes it took me to have a beer. Then out of there in a hurry. Can hardly see anything in there either, they keep it so dark.
I think Billboard is a horrible place, been there twice and both times got mega harassed by agressive mamasans repeatedly for taking ladys, lady drinks and more drinks during the 15 minutes it took me to have a beer. Then out of there in a hurry. Can hardly see anything in there either, they keep it so dark.I agree its too f'ing dark in there. They don't want you to realise that a lot of girls are not that pretty. I don't like the gloom so it's far from my favourite place. Twisters is a well lit bar. Higher quality girls for looks IMHO. However, I would still rate Billboard as one of the better bars in Nana, probably because there are a fairly good number of slim girls with no surgeries.
I don't see this place as "mega hassle" at all. The fat mamasan is really bad news, but I stay well away from her. Learn to ignore people that don't interest you perhaps. I fail to make eye contact with lots of uninteresting people, nor talk to them. It works moderately well. I certainly recall attempts to interest me in some girl, all thoroughly ignored. Guys are not going to call down too many girls with the 2 drinks policy. Customers in a group jumping around partying were more of a bother to me.
Most severe harassment I ever experienced at Nana would be RB3 a few years back, so never returned, and more recently Mandarin (downstairs). Don't recall any others. So maybe I have a thick skin and tolerate more than many, together with refining my ignoring tactics. Have not visited RB1 in a long time. Is there a RB2?
Very end has been Old Dutch forever. Joy Ngwen maybe. It has been replaced by Cockatoos opposite Bacarra. Shebas was my favourite bar till it closed. Suzi W staff doing show may have declined. I have not seen their lesbian show for maybe a year. At one time they had Bo a real bisexual and Dtom very expert. Suzi was similar to Sheba especially just after the amalgamation.The very end is some restaurant. I'm talking about the first gogo right next to that restaurant across the street from Bacarra. It was something like My Place at the time. They changed the name to Rio I believe for a while and now it's something else. It's right before that lady boy bar. That gogo was awesome in the mid 2000's, now it's garbage with mostly coyote dancers.
...I think one would have to spend significant time in The Lord to meet the real super stunners. They must be mostly busy and not in the line up. Without getting the super stunners, I fail to see how the other girls are really worth the price.
...I went to The Lord expecting extra super service. I did not get that. It was O.K. but all too ordinary...
I must say your report made me smile: you did'nt take the motorbike because of 40 Baht but gave 5800 Baht for a mean girl. Each his thing, right?Yeah, that was funny alright. I also went to the Lord this afternoon, for my 2nd visit ever I think. Some respected ISG members seem to like that place, and I like eye candy. I remember being underwhelmed on my first visit, so I was not sure what to expect. I walked in there around 4 pm and there were about a dozen girls on stage. It took me close to 10 min to get rid of the staff helper. After that, it took me only a few minutes to pick my girl. I ended up picking a 6,400 baht girl.
She was tall, definitely eye candy, with a pair of enhanced Ds, slim body with nice curves. Once in the room and naked, I liked her even more. She was not receptive to chatting initially, so I shut up and let her do her job. She knew what she was doing and I was pleased, even though it appeared like for her, it was another day at the office with another customer. She covered all the bases, nice BBBJ with DT, Russian, DATY. She did not appear receptive to kissing and I did not attempt any. However, towards the end of the session, she had a change of heart, and initiated DFK. There was plenty of DFK after that.
I must say that I lucked out this time around, as I was very pleased with the girl and the session overall.
more recently Mandarin (downstairs). I am guessing by downstairs, you mean once inside Mandarin, the first level rather than the 2nd inside that particular bar. The only Mandarin bar I know is where you take the escalator up one floor then walk straight ahead. There are 2 floors inside mandarin (after walking up the stairs), but I don't think I've seen the top floor open in a while.
I can't say they have hassled me there at any time, but Mandarin has some good girls. I love Gek at Mandarin. One of the hottest girls in Nana if you ask me. I believe she's been at Mandarin about 2 years now but I think she's only 20.
I think Billboard is a horrible place, been there twice and both times got mega harassed by agressive mamasans repeatedly for taking ladys, lady drinks and more drinks during the 15 minutes it took me to have a beer. Then out of there in a hurry. Can hardly see anything in there either, they keep it so dark.It is pretty dark, but I think you can see what you need to see there. In my opinion, it's far from a horrible place and one of the best places in Nana. But I haven't had them use that "2 drinks" line on me there yet. That could possibly be because they know me there and they know darn well I buy a lot of drinks anyway. Or maybe I have just been lucky. Or maybe I have just been too drunk to realize it. Haha.
Member #4698
05-06-17, 14:55
Although not my favoritie Nana Go Go, Billboard is a pretty good bar, if you ask me, with potential for finding decent takeout from its rather large selection of stage dancers and younger bath tub girls. The two drink thing is triggered only when a customer chooses not to wait for the dance set to end and wants a girl to immediatley step off the stage to sit with him. I can see where the unwary might fall for this little bar trick and this is part of what the ISG is all about I. E. to warn members against falling for this maneuver. That said, it really is not such a big deal. If you fall for the trick you will pay for 2 lady drinks not 1, but you get the girl without a wait, and next time you will know better. I have wasted equivalent funds on stupider stuff countless times in my life. In scope of things it is not a big deal.
Although not my favortie Nana Go Go, Billboard is a pretty good bar if you ask me with potential for finding decent takeout from its rather large selection of stage dancers and younger bath tub girls. The two drink thing is triggered only when a customer chooses not to wait for the dance set to end and wants a girl to immediatley step off the stage to sit with him. I can see where the unwary might fall for this little bar trick and this is part of what the ISG is all about I. E. to warn members against falling for this maneuver. That said, it really is not such a big deal. If you fall for the trick you will pay for 2 lady drinks not 1, but you get the girl without a wait, and next time will know better.Good info. I never knew that. I have never pulled a girl off the stage though, I always grab them after they are done dancing. That explains why I never encountered the 2 drink thing.
Banana Boi
05-06-17, 16:57
For 2 lady drinks does the girl sit with you for the appropriate time she should for a customer buying her 2 drinks or does she gulp both of them down and leave in only 15-20 minutes, the usual time for 1 drink?
I agree with everything you said except the Private Dancer comment. As a quick, easy, and mildly entertaining weekend read its good but using it as an anthropological reference isn't recommended and I actually discourage people who are getting into the scene not to read it. The only thing that it actually gets moderately right is the description of the western sexpat..This is the most sincere, respectful and courageous post I have ever read on ISG. I could not have agreed with you more. My hat's off to you. Thank you! Best regards,
I must sayn your report made me smile: you did'nt take the motorbike because of 40 Baht but gave 5800 Baht for a mean girl. Each his thing, right?Yes, it's called "Penny Wise Pound Foolish". Two totally independent decisions. I had a good cheap alternative to the Motorcycle. At The Lord, most visits I just baulked at the price, and bailed out. In hindsight, should have done that again. The service just wasn't the fabulous service promised. I don't aim to make the same mistake too many times.
XRatedBangkok
05-07-17, 07:24
For 2 lady drinks does the girl sit with you for the appropriate time she should for a customer buying her 2 drinks or does she gulp both of them down and leave in only 15-20 minutes, the usual time for 1 drink?No regular rule, it depends in my humble opinion. If a girl stays long with you, it means she is hoping you will eventually barfine her. Usually, if the lady drink is a tequila shot, it is down in 3 minutes. That is why I prefer the soft drink. By the way, you do not have to order both, usually you can choose one or the other, or both. If you get involved in the "what is your price" kind of conversation and do no close the deal, she will leave sooner as there is no interest for her to stay with you other than entertain you. It already happened to me at CH that he girl asked for a drink while I was upstairs, sat 3 minutes and then went downstairs have a drink with another dude, then back to me etc. Not fair. And last but not least, there is the case when the girl likes you and lingers on and maybe offers you a cheaper deal that the usual. For instance only the barfine.
I agree its too f'ing dark in there. They don't want you to realise that a lot of girls are not that pretty. I don't like the gloom so it's far from my favourite place. Twisters is a well lit bar. Higher quality girls for looks IMHO. However, I would still rate Billboard as one of the better bars in Nana, probably because there are a fairly good number of slim girls with no surgeries.
I don't see this place as "mega hassle" at all. The fat mamasan is really bad news, but I stay well away from her. Learn to ignore people that don't interest you perhaps. I fail to make eye contact with lots of uninteresting people, nor talk to them. It works moderately well. I certainly recall attempts to interest me in some girl, all thoroughly ignored. Guys are not going to call down too many girls with the 2 drinks policy. Customers in a group jumping around partying were more of a bother to me.
Most severe harassment I ever experienced at Nana would be RB3 a few years back, so never returned, and more recently Mandarin (downstairs). Don't recall any others. So maybe I have a thick skin and tolerate more than many, together with refining my ignoring tactics. Have not visited RB1 in a long time. Is there a RB2?I should mention there are at least two fat mamasans in Billboard now. One is the generally grim faced one with shoulder length hair that I believe you are referring to here. The other one has very short hair and is kind of funny. She hit me up for a tip for collecting the 700 barfine two nights ago, I grabbed her hand and told her I loved her, she laughed and just dropped it, walked away no big deal. But the grim faced one might have turned it into a prolonged stand off.
There is an Rainbow go-go bar on the ground level back in the right hand corner tucked into that corner even more to the right of the ladyboy bar back there (Obsessions?). Could be RB2, but I have not gone back there deep enough in a long time to see the full name of it. I don't even know if it is also ladyboy bar.
I should mention there are at least two fat mamasans in Billboard now. One is the generally grim faced one with shoulder length hair that I believe you are referring to here. The other one has very short hair and is kind of funny. She hit me up for a tip for collecting the 700 barfine two nights ago, I grabbed her hand and told her I loved her, she laughed and just dropped it, walked away no big deal. But the grim faced one might have turned it into a prolonged stand off.
There is an Rainbow go-go bar on the ground level back in the right hand corner tucked into that corner even more to the right of the ladyboy bar back there (Obsessions?). Could be RB2, but I have not gone back there deep enough in a long time to see the full name of it. I don't even know if it is also ladyboy bar.Right the fat mamasan with shoulder length hair got fired from Crazy And also from Mercury. Stole my change once at CH near to closing time. She just disappeared.
Right the fat mamasan with shoulder length hair got fired from Crazy And also from Mercury. Stole my change once at CH near to closing time. She just disappeared.She did the same with me in Crazy House. I finally asked a server to find her because she didn't bring back my change (at least 2-3 hundred baht, forget now). When she and that server came back to me it was all a big show about how she had totally forgotten because it was so busy and she got distracted by something. LOL. I'm guessing she never got so busy and distracted that she handed a customer two 500 baht notes in change instead of two hundred baht notes.
She did the same with me in Crazy House. I finally asked a server to find her because she didn't bring back my change (at least 2-3 hundred baht, forget now). When she and that server came back to me it was all a big show about how she had totally forgotten because it was so busy and she got distracted by something. LOL. I'm guessing she never got so busy and distracted that she handed a customer two 500 baht notes in change instead of two hundred baht notes.I lost change from the barfine I guess 300. Was closing time so I guess she hid in the toilet most likely. Did not get money back. I ways told girl not to use her after that although she was fired very soon after.
Kudos to all ISG fellows.
I'm writing this report after my trip to Bangkok was just done.
First of all I'd like to thank you all for the priceless information you are providing here and special thanks to the senior members who don't save any effort to help the newbies.
As I quick intro I'm a member in ISG since few years and I have to admit that the forums here were and still my best companion in mongering in different spots on this planet however I feel a big shame that I was not contributing anything before but to come late is better than nothing so I'm trying to return the favor hoping to add any new information that might help.
To be clear I was not contributing because I use to experience the verified ladies from the reviews I read here so I just feel that I will not add anything new if I'm reviewing a famous Tulip or snow white lady for example but again it is time to write my experiences no matter what.
This is my second trip in Bangkok, first trip was in the same time in 2015 , on my first trip I had sessions with Bell and BB from cherry massage, Bell and Nan from Bangkokgoldescorts and Katherine from mythaitourguide.
I guess all are retired now except BB from cherry so no need to review any of them now however I have some information about Bell provided below.
So back to this trip, the ladies on my Radar is always who can provide a pure PSE experience so A+ , Rimming and other PSE services are not under discussion, for me if I have to choose between performance and shape definitely I will go for performance that's why I prefer the oilies and professional escorts path, yes I understand that going with agencies is more expensive but I'm only here for 1 week and I don't like to hit and miss, so agencies can provide both shape and performance if I manage to choose the right girl, I avoid free lancers totally due to the high risk of miss and I keep gogo bars only for fun and watching the action.
Rituals and preparations are done as a clever student would do it. RTFF Bangkok thread, All massage Threads, Bangkok escort agencies, and the new smooci for the last 2 whole years since the time I left LOS in my last visit. It took a month to finish but a tons of information to claim. Created a pool of notes and lady names and generate a short list to execute.
On my Radar was the following:
Coco from Bangkokgoldenescorts. DONE.
Opor from Tulip. DONE.
Will from Snowwhite (not available on the website).
Leena from Tulip (2 sessions) . DONE.
Golf from Tulip. DONE.
Was on My List some other ladies but didn't meet with them for different reasons:
Emmy from Snowhite: Mamasan told me that she is not available these days due to some medical problems (mostly accident or something).
Cash, Bonus, Ninja and sunny from Snowwhite didn't meet as I was satisfied already.
Dao from Tulip: she is on vacation and will be back this later this week or next week.
Jessy from BangkokGOLDENescorts: I managed to cancel the booking as I was drained and moreover I discovered there is no big difference in service between professional oily gals and professional so why do I go for the expensive option.
Bell from BangkokGOLDescorts: As I met Bell 2 years ago for a long session and she was outstanding in everything, I thought I have to meet her again this time so I booked her by email, Goldie replied by a confirmation, by total coincidence I met one of her closed friends who informed me that Bell quit the agency and quit work a few months ago, I was suspicious in the beginning until this person showed me a lot of her recent pictures on the phone (after she did some breast implants as she was a total flat chested lady), I immediately recognized her, this person managed to put me on a direct phone call with Bell herself, talked to her about 5 minutes and she confirmed that she quit work and told me that the agency is still using her name depending on the blurry faces in their website for unknown reasons, So guys if you need to book Bell from this agency she is definitely not the same Bell who used to work there before.
Vicky (Bootylicious) – Independent Escort: she was on my list from the last trip and this time I talked with her once to book for a long session, she replied me that she is busy on that day then I tried to call her during last week more than 15 times to book for another date but she is not answering calls or messages.
Reviews for Coco, Opor, Will, Leena and Golf are uploaded now on the specified threads.
Sorry for the long Intro.
Good luck to all.
So back to this trip, the ladies on my Radar is always who can provide a pure PSE experience so A+ , Rimming and other PSE services are not under discussion, for me if I have to choose between performance and shape definitely I will go for performance that's why I prefer the oilies and professional escorts path, yes I understand that going with agencies is more expensive but I'm only here for 1 week and I don't like to hit and miss, so agencies can provide both shape and performance if I manage to choose the right girl, I avoid free lancers totally due to the high risk of miss and I keep gogo bars only for fun and watching the action.Nice report, DD.
Re the FLs outside Nana Hotel, I keep a list of contact info so the next time in BKK if I don't see them on the street there is an alternate way to find them. Failing that if the one I choose is a miss re the "hit & miss" you refer to, it is easy to go from my room in the hotel to the parking lot & grab another one. Sometimes I've gone through 5 or 6 in a night, all being decent providers.
Nice report, DD.
Re the FLs outside Nana Hotel, I keep a list of contact info so the next time in BKK if I don't see them on the street there is an alternate way to find them. Failing that if the one I choose is a miss re the "hit & miss" you refer to, it is easy to go from my room in the hotel to the parking lot & grab another one. Sometimes I've gone through 5 or 6 in a night, all being decent providers.Taking so many girls in succession sounds like you were not quite "satisfied", LOL, or unsatisfiable? or trying to break the world record for most girls fucked in a night? In the old days I used to take two or 3 successive Soapy sessions in a day, that may been due to limited days available to try several exciting girls, however I did not need to fuck every girl in the place, only the very best looking few. LOL I guess it's a survey to find out the best girls for the future bookings.
As Doom says, the risk of a "miss" or at least very average experience, not quite "decent", is high. Yes we overcome that in time by collecting the good ones worth repeating. Still he wants a reliable PSE. So no way is he going to be persuaded that these street girls is the way to go. I have only repeated one of my recent street girls and none of my recent Thermae girls.
Only one of my recent Soapy girl tries was worth repeating too, so I could not suggest that path. PSE shops are definitely a lot more reliable.
I am back in the states after a wonderful vacation in that beautiful land of smiles. I spent one week in Pattaya, 3 days in Hua Hin, and 4 days in Bangkok.
Despite doing this trip 20+ times in the past, it was only on this trip that I fully noticed the difference between WGs in Bangkok and Pattaya. One WG (working girl) in Pattaya commented that Falangs were crazy to put their face in her crotch, supposedly for DATY. Then she added: "and they want to kiss me after that? Yuck!! ".
Indeed, I noticed that I could only get light French Kisses, after repeat in Pattaya and I hardly got any DFK (Deep French Kisses) all these years. This time in Bangkok, I met 2 lovely ladies on the first day, one was a FL and the second one was from Addict massage. I ended up repeating with them almost daily. Plenty of DFK, especially from the Addict chick. The FL was GND, but fun to be with. She spoke very good English, very entertaining, customer oriented, and fun to talk to. She also appeared to be street smart. Definitely a keeper if I lived there.
I am glad I did not listen to my buddy, who tried to convince me to skip Bangkok this time around. Also, this was the first time I did not pick up a chick from a gogo bar, despite being a sucker for eye candy, and I only visited Skyfall one night in Pattaya.
Taking so many girls in succession sounds like you were not quite "satisfied", LOL, or unsatisfiable? or trying to break the world record for most girls fucked in a night? In the old days I used to take two or 3 successive Soapy sessions in a day, that may been due to limited days available to try several exciting girls, however I did not need to fuck every girl in the place, only the very best looking few. LOL I guess it's a survey to find out the best girls for the future bookings.
As Doom says, the risk of a "miss" or at least very average experience, not quite "decent", is high. Yes we overcome that in time by collecting the good ones worth repeating. Still he wants a reliable PSE. So no way is he going to be persuaded that these street girls is the way to go. I have only repeated one of my recent street girls and none of my recent Thermae girls.
Only one of my recent Soapy girl tries was worth repeating too, so I could not suggest that path. PSE shops are definitely a lot more reliable.Points taken. Regarding PSE with street FL ladies one doesn't know, I'd suggest a quick chat could help find what one needs in that regard, such as anal & rimming. I'm not an anal guy, myself, but know some of the NEP area street struters have mentioned it. Rimming is something I love & have had little trouble finding a number of willing participants there. If a female there doesn't offer it herself, she may know a friend or acquaintance on the street who does.
As for taking 5 or 6 girls in one evening, I tend not to cum or want to cum before several hours of sex, if not the same for days. Girls, OTOH, often want to leave within an hour or even half of that. Moreover they may only be able to do a BB BJ for a few minutes, if that's what I'm into that particular day. In which case I might try to get them to do something else, like DFK or BLS for part of the time they're willing to stay with me. While they do that I'd usually be wanking myself, unless I let them do it. Sometimes they're quite insistent that they must do it! They'll keep grabbing my weiner & I'll try to get their hand off of it. Then a while after I get it back they'll go after it again. I guess they feel it's they're duty or I'm not happy or not getting my money's worth. Since we don't speak each other's lingo, it's impossible to know.
The P4P TGs want a guy to cum. Some of them won't leave your room until you do or kick them out. They seem to feel it's their job & obligation. An obligation to make the man happy by cumming. When I tell them I don't want to, I've often got a blank silent look. Not for long though, since I suppose that would be considered rude in LOS. Only after assuring them repeatedly that I'm unhappy if I cum & happy not to, do they finally believe it. I guess 3 times is the magic number. One gal said she'd never met any guy like that. Though I've read of them here on ISG on occasion.
Anyways, Syzygies, you are a prolific poster here, with over 10 K posts, full of great info. Do you work for ISG? Are you writing a book of your experiences? Do you have time for anything else that doesn't involve work, the hobby, rest and food? That sounds like a pretty good life to me. Keep it up!
StinkyFeet
05-08-17, 13:47
I remember two years ago crazy house servers were on this scam where they would charge you 100 baht to use a tiny sticker and stick on the dancer or even on the fugly servers.
Are they still doing this sh! T?
Grandaddy Perp
05-08-17, 14:14
I am back in the states after a wonderful vacation in that beautiful land of smiles. I spent one week in Pattaya, 3 days in Hua Hin, and 4 days in Bangkok.
Despite doing this trip 20+ times in the past, it was only on this trip that I fully noticed the difference between WGs in Bangkok and Pattaya. One WG (working girl) in Pattaya commented that Falangs were crazy to put their face in her crotch, supposedly for DATY. Then she added: "and they want to kiss me after that? Yuck!! ".
Indeed, I noticed that I could only get light French Kisses, after repeat in Pattaya and I hardly got any DFK (Deep French Kisses) all these years. This time in Bangkok, I met 2 lovely ladies on the first day, one was a FL and the second one was from Addict massage. I ended up repeating with them almost daily. Plenty of DFK, especially from the Addict chick. The FL was GND, but fun to be with. She spoke very good English, very entertaining, customer oriented, and fun to talk to. She also appeared to be street smart. Definitely a keeper if I lived there.
I am glad I did not listen to my buddy, who tried to convince me to skip Bangkok this time around. Also, this was the first time I did not pick up a chick from a gogo bar, despite being a sucker for eye candy, and I only visited Skyfall one night in Pattaya.Given the environment, I can see why Pattaya 'WGs' would be less inclined to want DATY and DFK. It's also becoming less of a thing in BKK as well. I chalk this up the the typical Devil May Care attitude of farang sexpat. Thai mongers tend to be a lot more cautious mostly due to the fear of getting a 'WG' pregos and having to deal with the shame or having to support a second family. Farang tourists can do whatever for a couple of weeks and then just leave the country (what happens in Thailand.).
Thais are also not so much into a lot of the other activities that tend to spread diseases like anal, CIM, and DATY. I often get really odd looks when I go to places like Mango or Cherry and ask for A+ service.
Jimmy Boy 99
05-08-17, 15:11
I remember two years ago crazy house servers were on this scam where they would charge you 100 baht to use a tiny sticker and stick on the dancer or even on the fugly servers.
Are they still doing this sh! T?Presumably there is more to this scam than you have indicated above, but why is their charging you for a sticker that you asked for to stick on somebody a scam?
I remember two years ago crazy house servers were on this scam where they would charge you 100 baht to use a tiny sticker and stick on the dancer or even on the fugly servers.
Are they still doing this sh! T?Never heard of this one. It sounds like some temporary thing to raise money for a charity, but I may be well off the mark. Plenty of P4 P girls donate money to some charity from time to time, e. G. At Lua Lamphong temple, girls donate towards coffins for the pennyless departed. So stickers could have been raising money for something. Western society also has special days where some flower or similar emblem or badge is sold to raise money.
Would have been interesting to see the what the sticker looked like.
StinkyFeet
05-08-17, 17:44
If I remember correctly, the stickers were less than 5 mm in diameter and in neon colors. Perhaps heart shape. The servers would come up to you with a several sheets worth. Ask a customer to stick it on anybody. Sometimes demonstrate it by sticking one on a dancers breast. Say its all in good fun. Only if you pressure them for more information they'll say that its only 100 baht PER sticker not sheet. PER sticker.
This is my restricted access report I made back in may 2, 2016 (for some reason it felt longer) in another forum.
"That day I wanted to revisit cowboy soi from several years back. Peeked into tilac, cowboy, and several others. Spent a couple of hours in crazy house that specialized in nude gogo dancing. They had about 25 girls dancing that night with a handful with some floral tissue as covering. They only had three that was attractive. One 7/10, two 8/10. One of the girls had a particularly beatiful face (9/10) but body was no didn't match 8/10. I bought her a few drinks. She squeezed in front of me and grinded her naked body into me. Guiding my hands all over body. If I wanted to finger her I probably could have if I gave her enough lady drinks. Her breasts were deflated though and her stomache felt a little loose. I asked if she had a baby and said one baby daughter. That became an instant turnoff even though she was very pretty. One of the things I noticed and very annoyed about this bar was the waitstaff. They were very pushy on tips. One of them was handing out little stickers and put it on the dancers or even them. I asked what they were for. They said it was only for fun and that everyone was doing it. And oh by the way. Each sticker is 100 baht tip added to your check. Wtf! I smiled and told her to leave. She persisted and I started to raise my voice to make a scene. She backed off but the head manager didn't like that and decided to try to blackball me from the go go dancers. I got annoyed and noticed the waitstaff taking advantage of drunk customers in particular the older Caucasian customers. I saw one customer adding an entire page of stickers on one repugnant looking waitress. I don't think he knew what the stickers signify since many of the Japanese customers obviously knew and were rarely playing with the stickers. I didn't play because I didn't like this deceptive tactic and I came for the go go dancers not for backwater rejects that look like they belong in some tribe broadcasted from National geographics. I left soon after disgusted at what I was seeing. I informed the main boss (big thai guy) and he looked genuinely concerned. ".
Presumably there is more to this scam than you have indicated above, but why is their charging you for a sticker that you asked for to stick on somebody a scam?
As for taking 5 or 6 girls in one evening, I tend not to cum or want to cum before several hours of sex, if not the same for days. Girls, OTOH, often want to leave within an hour or even half of that. Moreover they may only be able to do a BB BJ for a few minutes, if that's what I'm into that particular day. In which case I might try to get them to do something else, like DFK or BLS for part of the time they're willing to stay with me. While they do that I'd usually be wanking myself, unless I let them do it. Sometimes they're quite insistent that they must do it! They'll keep grabbing my weiner & I'll try to get their hand off of it. Then a while after I get it back they'll go after it again. I guess they feel it's they're duty or I'm not happy or not getting my money's worth. Since we don't speak each other's lingo, it's impossible to know.
The P4P TGs want a guy to cum. Some of them won't leave your room until you do or kick them out. They seem to feel it's their job & obligation. An obligation to make the man happy by cumming. When I tell them I don't want to, I've often got a blank silent look. Not for long though, since I suppose that would be considered rude in LOS. Only after assuring them repeatedly that I'm unhappy if I cum & happy not to, do they finally believe it. I guess 3 times is the magic number. One gal said she'd never met any guy like that. Though I've read of them here on ISG on occasion.
Anyways, Syzygies, you are a prolific poster here, with over 10 K posts, full of great info. Do you work for ISG?You make some good points about FLs and also about failing to cum. I also fail to cum sometimes, but I don't keep trying with more sessions, unless the reason was the girl was crap. LOL I usually give it rest for a bit. LOL Probably like you, I don't see that sex is bad if I failed to cum, since the cum lasts such a short time anyway. My favourite FL off Soi 4 now accepts that I am going to need a 90 minute session and has become a GFE. She gets 3 pops some times, especially if she hasn't had a pop for a while, then first one comes very fast. Of course I am not going to get the same from an average FL on Soi 4. Most are hoping to do just 30 minutes.
No I don't work for the ISG, and have no affiliations other than with specific girls. I have spent probably 30% of the last 20 years in Thailand with 90% of my interactions being with Thais rather than Farangs. Some of my regular Thai persons do not speak English. So I have knowledge in unusual areas picked up from Thai girls in relation to language, culture, religion, plants and food (from knowing a chef long term). So my experiences maybe a bit different to the average monger. I used to travel widely in Thailand so have visited 70% of the provinces most likely, but not so much any more. You will notice periods when my posting drops right off, due to heavy work commitments, and likely not being in Thailand at the time. There is a large gap of several years before 2003 when I was not doing bars, due to GF commitments. Could be around 5 to 7 years gap. When I came back to the bars I had no clue how the prices had risen so much. I also returned to Cowboy because I heard that nude dancing had come back to bars probably around 2006 or earlier. Also Long Gun.
I should find a better replacement hobby. I would like to spend time to get my Thai proficient up to 8000 words, and be able to follow very fast stuff like the Thai News better. I would also like to add a few hundred Issan words at least for listening, even if cannot speak it well. My favourite Gik rang me today unexpectedly and suddenly wanted to speak Issan to me when her English is perfectly good, and she normally speaks either English or Thai to me. Was she trying to throw off the scent someone else in the background listening maybe? Or just in a very playful mood.
Was this #77, 'Fon'?
If yes, lucky to get her for 2,000.
So I am looking for better talent now. I see a girl with a rather hot body. Actually it wasn't, but the way she carried herself made her look hot. Very slutty / sensual dancing, confident, and muscular / tone and Isaan short / tan (which I do like, it's *one* of my types, not my favorite but it has its place). I was almost fairly certain she was on yabba, which well. Has it's pro's and con's. Feeling the need for a freak, to make up for the gogo queen, I got her a lady drink. I indicated I would only pay for 1 and that's what went through. She was very slutty with regards to dancing, just fun all-around. And yeah, 2 classic signs of yabba use: sweating and fingernail polish breath (she made out with me a lot). Also, the very confident and hyper / crazy shenanigans were another clue to how high she was. I saw the mamasan looking at her, concerned about her erratic / raunchy behavior. BF'ed her ST and she was even more strung out and distracted in the room. But was okay, just paying for sex nothing else. And there are benefits to them being high (certainly not a starfish, just easily distracted and changing positions a lot). Offered 2500ST, but negotiated down to 2000ST. Also, back in the room, I was concerned she was going to go crazy and start biting (IE: like bite my lip off) if she got triggered somehow. And she did bite / punch quite a bit, my taste buds still hurt from when she bit my tongue.
Hi,
Any genuine tantra massage places, read about outcall sites that offer no sex but complete pleasure.
Also any great 4 hand massage places.
Visiting BKK next week for 3 days.
Thanks.
Just wanted to add my recent observations to the ongoing conversations about Crazy House (CH) and WeChat (chat app). After an afternoon visit to Kasalong (the best deal in town, I think. Although things seem much worse in the looks department than last time I was in Bangkok and girls' skills. Have made 2 recent visits. Also not as good as I remember) I went to Soi Cowboy tonight. A few questions. Perhaps these have been answered before, but not sure how to effectively search for the answers:
1.) Why are CH and Suzie Wong the only bars in Soi Cowboy with any nudity? Do they have special connections / permissions?
2.) With fully nude girls and overall better looking an younger girls in CH than anywhere else in Soi Cowboy, business there is booming. Why aren't other bars emulating this model? I just don't get it. Seems so much obviously better and this is reflected in the booming business.
3.) Is everyone as bored by the shows at CH and Suzie Wong (SW) as I am? The "lesbian" show at SW was delivered with zero enthusiasm and was just sort of sad and awkward to watch. Likewise, all of the shows with pussy tricks that seem like they were thought up by 13 year-old boys are just kind of gross and annoying, if you ask me. If I wanted to see these kinds of shows, I'd go to Patpong. Are their actually people in Soi Cowboy who are into this or are the bars just going through the motions because they think it's what customers want (or they're trying to kill time and give the regular dancers a break?) Finally, the girls in the shows seem consistently less good looking than other girls.
4.) What the hell is a "standard" bar fine at CH these days? I've seen people say 2500, but also 3000. Tonight I was quoted 4000 (short time!) by a girl whose body type I is my favorite (pretty spinner, small tits) whom I proceeded to buy a lady drink for. She then took off to sit with another customer for the rest of the night. Annoying behavior. Maybe par for the course, I realize. But any tips on how to avoid this? I'm not too old or bad looking, by the way, so I'm pretty sure the problem isn't me. I'm also super polite, friendly, chill. Just don't get it.
5/) Any other recommendations for bars with nudity and better looking, younger girls? Is CH all there is these days? Suzie Wong was pretty disappointing as far as looks of the girls. Nana suggestions also welcome, but I've consistently found Nana to be sub-par and don't like places where LBs are mixed in. Just don't want to have to navigate that, nothing against LBs, just not my thing.
So, after a fairly lame experience at CH, I walked past massage row (nothing caught my eye there) and then back to my hotel. I decided to give WeChat a try. It's dominated by LBs but they mostly identify themselves clearly as such. Within a few minutes, I received a few greetings and responses to greetings I sent out. I asked "100% female?" right away and the girl I was chatting with confirmed. We then went to a video call. She looked pretty good. Within 10 minutes she was at my room. WeChat is indeed easy and fast and girls are clearly on for work and get straight to the point. That said, I don't think I'll repeat. She wasn't bad, and 1500ST seemed like a reasonable price, but her body was underwhelming and she was all business. The fact is, there's just know way to really gauge looks, let alone personality via WeChat or any app. I think I'll just hit a regular massage place if I can't find anything I like in the bars. The girl was nice, and OK looking, but when we actually got down to it there was a smell emanating from you-know-where (front, not back end) that was just awful. Really off-putting. Almost told her she should go to the doctor but didn't want to hurt her feelings. Kind of nasty though.
In conclusion: Answers to any of my questions would be much appreciated! WeChat is easy and quick, but looking at selfies, and even video chat, just don't give you a truly clear sense of a girl's body. I probably won't try it again. That's the whole reason I like nude place. More fun to be there, and more clarity about who I'm shooting for.
Thanks for everything ISG. If anyone can send me to the cheaper, hotter, naked girls dancing (what else are any of us looking for, in fact) please reply or PM.
Given the environment, I can see why Pattaya 'WGs' would be less inclined to want DATY and DFK. It's also becoming less of a thing in BKK as well. I chalk this up the the typical Devil May Care attitude of farang sexpat. Thai mongers tend to be a lot more cautious mostly due to the fear of getting a 'WG' pregos and having to deal with the shame or having to support a second family. Farang tourists can do whatever for a couple of weeks and then just leave the country (what happens in Thailand.).
Thais are also not so much into a lot of the other activities that tend to spread diseases like anal, CIM, and DATY. I often get really odd looks when I go to places like Mango or Cherry and ask for A+ service.I would chalk it up to the current punters not being as demanding and accepting whatever they get from the WGs. If customers would walk when poor service is provided then gals would start providing.
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FormulaOneFan
05-09-17, 03:41
I would chalk it up to the current punters not being as demanding and accepting whatever they get from the WGs. If customers would walk when poor service is provided then gals would start providing.I always expect DFK and DATY. Doesn't matter if it's the lowest common denominator or the high class soapy where I'm paying a premium. Whether the girl delivers solidly informs my decision to repeat / return to that establishment. I have much more experience in german FKKs and Singapore than in Thailand, but my approach is the same.
Member #4698
05-09-17, 04:00
I always expect DFK and DATY. Doesn't matter if it's the lowest common denominator or the high class soapy where I'm paying a premium. Whether the girl delivers solidly informs my decision to repeat / return to that establishment. I have much more experience in german FKKs and Singapore than in Thailand, but my approach is the same.I was very satisfied with the service I received in BKK this trip. Not one bad experience in 5 weeks and many memorable ones, but I would not compare Go Go girl sex, even the best, with the professional porn star sessions I received at the Lord. The girls look different too.
As to DFK; some Thai Go Go girls get into it and others don't. All my Lord girls, for example, gave great DFK. But on the whole, I experienced better and more consistent DFK from my Jakarta girls than my BKK girls this trip and on previous trips. Indo girls are great kissers.
As to DATY; most girls I know can really get into it and it is a great way to get great sex from a girl, but there are some girls that don't want it either because they are too shy or because they do not want to get turned on. The former reason is acceptable to me and I am tolerant of their shyness and take my time with them especially if I like them. My Mini, for example, always accepted DATY, but she was never into it much for the first couple of years that I knew her. One time I asked her why she did not like it and she said it was because it reminded her of a doctor's visit. It took me a couple of minutes to understand what the hell she was talking about, then I understood that she was referring to getting into gynecologist stirrups for an exam. Ha Ha. I was very patient with Mini and I am happy to report that it paid off. DATY is now one of the two ways she reaches her orgasm and she loves it. The other way is Cowgirl. As for the girls who refuse DATY because they do not want to be turned on and enjoy the session, what can I say? Bad girls! Luckily I have not had a bad one in a long, long time or maybe I have honed my selection skills to the point where I instinctively weed out the bad ones. I do not know.
As to barebacking; its a two way street. Both parties have to want it for it to happen. There are some BKK girls that always request a condom no matter how many times you shag them, some BKK girls that will bareback after the 2nd, 3rd, or nth time you see them, and some BKK girls that will bareback from the get go. I don't know a thing about German FKK's, but in Thailand the default is BBBJ's and covered sex. Its been this way since the mid 80's, so I always expect a BBBJ, but I never expect a bareback ride especially from a new girl and so I am ocassionally surprised when it is offered, but I never ask for it or negotiate for it. I think it would kill the vibe. Its kind of like a Forrest Gump "box of chocolates" thing to me (with new girls).
And lastly in regards to the two way street thing I mentioned above, there are some BKK girls that I would love to go down on and bareback when and if it is offered, then many, many other BKK girls that I would prefer not to go down on or bareback for one reason or another, and still others (the vast majority) that I don't want to have any kind of sex with even if they paid ME! 555, if you know what I mean. That's Bangkok.
The very end is some restaurant. I'm talking about the first gogo right next to that restaurant across the street from Bacarra. It was something like My Place at the time. They changed the name to Rio I believe for a while and now it's something else. It's right before that lady boy bar. That gogo was awesome in the mid 2000's, now it's garbage with mostly coyote dancers.I see that Evianist wrote about going into (Club) Rio in Feb 2010 so Our Place has been gone at least 7 years. In Feb 2009 someone wrote a report about a girl Joy seemingly working at both Midnite and Our Place so presumeably Our Place and Midnite were closely affiliated, perhaps because the "Arab" was buying up these bars, perhaps not. I don't recall exactly when the Arab was buying. I do recall fucking a special dancer Anna upstairs at Midnite but forget what year. I suppose that should be before the Arab took over. Probably around 2007 or so.
There were never really a great deal of reports about "Our Place" that I can recall so not sure exactly when it's heyday was. By 2006 shortly after I had joined the forum, Long Gun, Raw Hide, Doll House, Suzi Wong, Sheba, Bacarra, Shark, Midnite, Deja Vu, Tilac, used to get a lot more publicity, even Toy Bar. I don't recall going into Our Place too many times, nor what year I would have tried it. I did like to have a look in most larger bars at some point.
I was very satisfied with the service I received in BKK this trip. Not one bad experience in 5 weeks and many memorable ones, but I would not compare Go Go girl sex, even the best, with the professional porn star sessions I received at the Lord. The girls look different too.
My favourite Crazy House girls are way better than the M class girl I got at The Lord, for enthusiasm, fun, GFE, etc. None of them porn stars though. The Lord Girl had a pretty face however, I have had better at Crazy for the face also, with past gone girls Nat, May Lee, and Donut. So I don't understand why you not compare best go go girls.
The one recent Soapy girl that I will repeat, was at Evita for 2K Baht, number M20 I think. Nearly as pretty as the M class Lord girl and body actually slightly better. Skin darker, but that does not bother me at all. She was a little boring in the bath, but I am sure I can train her up what to do in the bath.
As to barebacking; its a two way street. Both parties have to want it for it to happen. There are some BKK girls that always request a condom no matter how many times you shag them, some BKK girls that will bareback after the 2nd, 3rd, or nth time you see them, and some BKK girls that will bareback from the get go. I don't know a thing about German FKK's, but in Thailand the default is BBBJ's and covered sex. Its been this way since the mid 80's, so I always expect a BBBJ, but I never expect a bareback ride especially from a new girl and so I am ocassionally surprised when it is offered, but I never ask for it or negotiate for it. I think it would kill the vibe. Its kind of like a Forrest Gump "box of chocolates" thing to me (with new girls).
Some girls are inconsistent too. It is very possible indeed that many girls are not taking birth control pills, so they need the condom to prevent getting pregnant, but at certain times of the month, they figure they won't get pregnant. When they have a condom accident, many are in situation where they have to take the morning after pills, and one girl told me there is a medicine that can be effective up to 72 hours afterwards, but I did not know about that or if is correct.
Pregnant bargirls are popping up all over the place, and of course I usually don't get to know if that was from their Thai boy, or occasionally accident with customer. I recall one lovely girl at Suzie Wong a few years back who had left the bar work but previously had a child from a customer, who did not want to take responsibility, naturally enough. The girl was really my type and a lovely fuck so I was disappointed to have only ever had the chance to take her once together with her friend Noi, when she was just visiting the bar (not even officially working).
In my experience, a very significant percentage of girls, when asked, stated that they did not take the pill for birth control. At least some were telling the truth. Puzzled me as to why, since it helps reduce the duration of periods as well as being safer.
I see that Evianist wrote about going into (Club) Rio in Feb 2010 so Our Place has been gone at least 7 years. In Feb 2009 someone wrote a report about a girl Joy seemingly working at both Midnite and Our Place so presumeably Our Place and Midnite were closely affiliated, perhaps because the "Arab" was buying up these bars, perhaps not. I don't recall exactly when the Arab was buying. I do recall fucking a special dancer Anna upstairs at Midnite but forget what year. I suppose that should be before the Arab took over. Probably around 2007 or so.
There were never really a great deal of reports about "Our Place" that I can recall so not sure exactly when it's heyday was. By 2006 shortly after I had joined the forum, Long Gun, Raw Hide, Doll House, Suzi Wong, Sheba, Bacarra, Shark, Midnite, Deja Vu, Tilac, used to get a lot more publicity, even Toy Bar. I don't recall going into Our Place too many times, nor what year I would have tried it. I did like to have a look in most larger bars at some point.Our place was rocking around 2008 I believe. The lesbian show there was off the hook. I remember one night I was there and some young farang was watching the lesbian show. One of the girls was eating the other girl out and had her ass way up in the air right in front of his face. He plowed his tongue into her ass and ate her ass and pussy for a good 2 minutes while she ate out the other girl on stage. Both girls were extremely hot. The look of enjoyment on that girl's face while the guy was eating her out was priceless. She was loving it.
Yes, it was owned by that Arab. I remember the girls weren't allowed to buy french fries from the restaurant next door because he had an argument with that restaurant over something.
Our place was rocking around 2008 I believe. The lesbian show there was off the hook. I remember one night I was there and some young farang was watching the lesbian show. One of the girls was eating the other girl out and had her ass way up in the air right in front of his face. He plowed his tongue into her ass and ate her ass and pussy for a good 2 minutes while she ate out the other girl on stage. Both girls were extremely hot. The look of enjoyment on that girl's face while the guy was eating her out was priceless. She was loving it.
Yes, it was owned by that Arab. I remember the girls weren't allowed to buy french fries from the restaurant next door because he had an argument with that restaurant over something.That Iranian "Arab".
So was he the owner when still called Our Place rather than Rio, and was sex available in his bars, officially. I recall that his bars set very high BF prices for Coyote girls and that there was no guarantee you would get sex from the girls. So I would be surprised if Our Place had such a lesbian show after he took the bar over.
Still remains a strong rumour through people that work in Cowboy, that his bars don't make money and are purely there for money laundering purposes.
That Iranian "Arab".
So was he the owner when still called Our Place rather than Rio, and was sex available in his bars, officially. I recall that his bars set very high BF prices for Coyote girls and that there was no guarantee you would get sex from the girls. So I would be surprised if Our Place had such a lesbian show after he took the bar over.
Still remains a strong rumour through people that work in Cowboy, that his bars don't make money and are purely there for money laundering purposes.He was definitely the owner back then. None of the girls liked him. They did discontinue the lesbian show (and all the other shows) at one point. I am not sure if that is when he purchased it or if they just discontinued it. There were no coyote dancers at the time (at least none that I recall) and I am pretty sure you could have sex with any girl in the bar. I took many girls home from there until I found the best girl in the history of Soi Cowboy there and stuck with her exclusively from that point on. The shows were numerous, not just that lesbian show. They had a lot of good ones. The shows were better than at Suzi Wong and the place was much much nicer (I have always considered Suzi Wong to be a crap hole) and the girls were better looking, so I rarely set foot in Suzi Wong back then. I always felt sorry for the girl doing the candle wax show where she melted all that wax all over her body. That had to hurt. Sexy though. Sheeba had a decent lesbian show back then as well, but not as good. At the time, Our Place and Sheeba were the best 2 bars on Soi Cowboy in my opinion. Now they are both gone and replaced by garbage gogos that I never enter.
AussieDoug
05-09-17, 12:19
Some girls are inconsistent too. It is very possible indeed that many girls are not taking birth control pills, so they need the condom to prevent getting pregnant, .What you are overlooking is that the female can psych herself up so she does not have periods at all. In fact that is what many of the bar girls do, and that is why most of them have very light periods, there is no ovulation, it's all supressed, and that is why many do not see a big danger in BBFS.
What you are overlooking is that the female can psych herself up so she does not have periods at all. In fact that is what many of the bar girls do, and that is why most of them have very light periods, there is no ovulation, it's all supressed, and that is why many do not see a big danger in BBFS.While women's periods can be reduced due to hormones (including taking birth control pill) and reducing nutrition (women on severe or crash diets have been known to stop ovulating and therefore no periods, I have never heard of any woman anywhere ever being able to control or reduce her periods or her fertility in any way due to mind control alone, what you call "psych herself up".
Many of the bar girls have light and short periods precisely because they are on a birth control pills. Some of them work through their periods or at least through parts of their periods by wearing a diaphragm. If properly worn and the male is not too vigorous, no one is the wiser and the blood is kept up in the cervix until she flushes it out later. It is one of the oldest hooker tricks in the book. As a diaphragm is also meant as a birth control method, the girls can wear one while providing BBFS too and so avoid pregnancy but the punter is none the wiser.
That Iranian "Arab".
So was he the owner when still called Our Place rather than Rio, and was sex available in his bars, officially. I recall that his bars set very high BF prices for Coyote girls and that there was no guarantee you would get sex from the girls. So I would be surprised if Our Place had such a lesbian show after he took the bar over.
Still remains a strong rumour through people that work in Cowboy, that his bars don't make money and are purely there for money laundering purposes.When he acquired his first bar, Midnight, it marked the beginning of the downfall of Cowboy. Higher drink prices, higher bar fines, and the beginning of the Coyote nightmare. His bars were never crowded, yet he bought more and more of them. One wonders what was really going on. LOL!
Midnight was great bar before the "Arab. " 500 Baht BF and that included use of one of the ST rooms upstairs. All drinks and lady drinks were 100 Baht and the gals were very happy with 1 K Baht ST. Gals were trained never to get upset if a guy came in and took a different lady every night. The numbers I racked up in there. The second floor had a bar and we used to have private parties up there. 5 or so of us would BF 10 or so gals, and they would not charge us for the use of the room; we'd just pay for drinks for ourselves and the gals. Wild it was. Those three ST rooms upstairs stayed very busy. Great times. Could not even imagine anything like that going on in Cowboy these days.
When he acquired his first bar, Midnight, it marked the beginning of the downfall of Cowboy. Higher drink prices, higher bar fines, and the beginning of the Coyote nightmare. His bars were never crowded, yet he bought more and more of them. One wonders what was really going on. LOL!
Midnight was great bar before the "Arab. " 500 Baht BF and that included use of one of the ST rooms upstairs. All drinks and lady drinks were 100 Baht and the gals were very happy with 1 K Baht ST. Gals were trained never to get upset if a guy came in and took a different lady every night. The numbers I racked up in there. The second floor had a bar and we used to have private parties up there. 5 or so of us would BF 10 or so gals, and they would not charge us for the use of the room; we'd just pay for drinks for ourselves and the gals. Wild it was. Those three ST rooms upstairs stayed very busy. Great times. Could not even imagine anything like that going on in Cowboy these days.I was not a regular there, because I had been out of the bar scene for a few years till returned to Cowboy 2005 or 2006.
I recall taking very slim Anna who performed special dance shows, upstairs and she fucked like there was no tomorrow. I wondered if she was on something. She completely forgot about the next show she supposed to do so they had come looking for her. LOL Many years later I found her working as a Coyote in Mercury with short blonde hair and teeth braces, still very skinny, and easily the best Coyote dancer. So fucked her again for old times sake. She was still pretty good but maybe not quite as wild.
Midnight is one of the very long running bars in Cowboy but has changed hands several times. In 1991 approx. When I first came to Thailand without a wife, I was shown the "Midnight Upstairs" bar on the first night by a buddy I met while studying Thai language, the bar run by two Aussies Dave and John. Some years later the Thai partner in the business swindled them out of it. I BFed a slim girl there for the night and paid her 500 baht for the night. She did not wake up when I took pictures of her lying naked even using a flash. LOL I think she was pretty good as far as I knew. It was a separate bar to the downstairs bar in those days. The downstairs was a more quiet bar for drinks with an open front door from memory.
What you are overlooking is that the female can psych herself up so she does not have periods at all. In fact that is what many of the bar girls do, and that is why most of them have very light periods, there is no ovulation, it's all supressed, and that is why many do not see a big danger in BBFS.Ha ha. You really make me laugh. Sounds like a tall story to me. I suggest read up on the internet. There are a few myths around. Then you can quote a reliable source. LOL
Girls who do not have periods are typically taking birth control pills non stop. Others may pretend they don't have a period but in fact stuff a small yellow sponge up there called a "Luuk Jiap" (literally means a "chick" - baby chicken).
There are girls taking injections of special birth control medication. That may prevent periods for extended time, I don't know. I have also heard fasting can cause a girl to miss periods but it would not be reliable. There are medications that talk about just 4 periods per year.
I usually never note the number. Kind of a space cadet in that regards. But the name Fon sounds familiar. I would have to go again, probably will want to try other gogo's, if I even go. I'm more of a soapy massage guy honestly as I find the ST value to be better. But gogo's have their place for drinking / partying and potential to click and take it to LT. I guess gogo's are more of a hunt, for those who like that. I prefer value (price to quality) myself so I focus on soapies and will probably branch out to freelancers now that I have more free time at night.
Was this #77, 'Fon'?
If yes, lucky to get her for 2,000.
So I am looking for better talent now. I see a girl with a rather hot body. Actually it wasn't, but the way she carried herself made her look hot. Very slutty / sensual dancing, confident, and muscular / tone and Isaan short / tan (which I do like, it's *one* of my types, not my favorite but it has its place). I was almost fairly certain she was on yabba, which well. Has it's pro's and con's. Feeling the need for a freak, to make up for the gogo queen, I got her a lady drink. I indicated I would only pay for 1 and that's what went through. She was very slutty with regards to dancing, just fun all-around. And yeah, 2 classic signs of yabba use: sweating and fingernail polish breath (she made out with me a lot). Also, the very confident and hyper / crazy shenanigans were another clue to how high she was. I saw the mamasan looking at her, concerned about her erratic / raunchy behavior. BF'ed her ST and she was even more strung out and distracted in the room. But was okay, just paying for sex nothing else. And there are benefits to them being high (certainly not a starfish, just easily distracted and changing positions a lot). Offered 2500ST, but negotiated down to 2000ST. Also, back in the room, I was concerned she was going to go crazy and start biting (IE: like bite my lip off) if she got triggered somehow. And she did bite / punch quite a bit, my taste buds still hurt from when she bit my tongue.
What the hell is a "standard" bar fine at CH these days? I've seen people say 2500, but also 3000. Tonight I was quoted 4000 (short time!) by a girl whose body type I is my favorite (pretty spinner, small tits) whom I proceeded to buy a lady drink for. She then took off to sit with another customer for the rest of the night. Annoying behavior. Maybe par for the course, I realize. But any tips on how to avoid this? I'm not too old or bad looking, by the way, so I'm pretty sure the problem isn't me. I'm also super polite, friendly, chill. Just don't get it.This is what happens when there are too many customers: prices shoot up and the girls get to pick who they fuck. Just leave, stop going there if you don't want to be frustrated and look for greener pastures. Always be looking for greener pastures.
Hi,
Any genuine tantra massage places, read about outcall sites that offer no sex but complete pleasure.
Also any great 4 hand massage places.
Visiting BKK next week for 3 days.
Thanks.I've gotten this at honey bee before. It was about 4000 or 4500 baht and includes FS. Not sure if they have a HJ only option but it never hurts to ask! I personally stopped going to honeybee because I'm kind of picky about quality and the girls there all seem kind of fat. But if they are giving tantric massage while you lay down, fat probably doesn't matter.
So the clubs in Bangkok such as Insanity, levels, climax, mixx, etc. Are any of them smoke free?? I know climax isn't smoke free, but if there is just 1 that is smoke free, then they'll have my business.
So the clubs in Bangkok such as Insanity, levels, climax, mixx, etc. Are any of them smoke free?? I know climax isn't smoke free, but if there is just 1 that is smoke free, then they'll have my business.Mixx has two separated areas. One is smoke free, the other one (with the Russian ladies) is a smoking area.
Levels has a terrace for smokers, bar and dance floor area are smoke free.
Cé la vie (even if not asked) has also a terrace for smokers, bar and dance area are non-smoking.
Insanity and Climax are not smoke free.
Gorgeous girl worked at suz w. Not a dancer more of a hostess, Ewww was her name I think.
Any idea where she is and what she up to?Girls were in 3 categories: Dancers, waitresses, and mamasans, so I guess Ehw would be a waitress (hostess). I recall one or two very nice girls in this category. However someone would need to ask LB mamasan Dtai what happened to her. You need to collect contact info for all important girls. Even then the contact info suddenly stops working regularly.
Grandaddy Perp
05-10-17, 05:37
This is what happens when there are too many customers: prices shoot up and the girls get to pick who they fuck. Just leave, stop going there if you don't want to be frustrated and look for greener pastures. Always be looking for greener pastures.I don't think its a matter of "picking who they fuck". Their end game is to get you to barfine them and get you into a room for a ST and then get back into the bar so they can try and service as many as they can handle in a night. In this case, she gave the guy a price, he balked and she moved on. He had his chance. I find that the ladies that really stand out mostly operate in this manner. Beauty fades quite quickly in this biz so they've got to maximize their earnings.
Haven't you ever been in an a-go-go and saw a hottie with another guy and then snatched her when she went up to dance?
5 or 6 years ago, Shark Bar was my favorite a-go-go to visit when I wanted that sort of experience. They had a few cuties there and it was also a very mixed crowd of punters and the selection of the girls was varied with some catering to Asians and others to farangs. On one occasion, a particularly busy night, I spotted this new lady, very Eurasian looking, my ultimate spec. She also had a rocker vibe about her, crazy hair, thick smokey eyeliner, and knee high tube socks. She also had a couple of big tats which completed the homage.
My old MO, when I actually cared if the girl was attracted to me or not, was to do a lot of eye contact and to get them to tease me while on stage. If they played along then I would buy them a LD. I was so into this girl that I totally skipped that bit of vetting all-together.
As soon as we saw each other I made the drink gesture. She tried to play the 'Who? Me?' game for a second and then looked over to my right at another guy and gave him the drink gesture and pointed to me and mouthed 'sorry' and then came down to sit with me. The guy gave me this look that I imagine a guy would give when he walked in on his wife being anally plowed by the young buff pool boy.
As I watched her walk toward me with those hungry eyes, I couldn't help but notice the other guy in a tiff as he grabbed the nearest hostess and began to bark at her while looking and point at the lady approaching me. The hostess didn't really seem to care much and said something to him while point to a half empty drink on his table.
The lady came to rest next to me and we began to chit chat. I asked her if she was with the other guy and she said he only bought her a LD but he didn't own her. OK. I asked her if she wanted a drink and she accepted and we talked up until the point that she had to go and dance again. I told her that I was interested in taking her out of the bar and she told me 2500, the standard rate at that time. I told her 1,500 is normally what I pay and she gave me this sort of smirk that I took as 'we'll see'. Not going to lie, I felt a bit stung by her response but at the same time I respected her resolve.
As I alluded to previously, around this time I could consistently get working girls for much lower than what they normally charged. It became a game and I actually thought that it made me feel special or something along those lines but over time I've come to feel guilty about it, feeling like I was taking advantage of their situation as often times they would want something more on a emotional / personal level. These days I don't haggle much, I consider the qualities of the lady and then set a price point and if we can't agree right away I move on. Nothing personal, its just business.
So back to Shark's. The other guy was still sitting at his table, fuming, but at the sight of his infatuation returning to the stage, he perked up. Like a jack rabbit in heat, he grabbed the hostess, the same that he was just shouting at, and based on his abrupt pointing at the dancer and then at the seat next him led me to surmise that he wanted her off the stage. One would think that the hostess would be extremely dutiful at such a direct command but instead she chose to do her best slow loris imitation while going to notify the lady about his request.
After being summoned from her lofty pole, she gave me a solid stare and smirked again and then turned her attention to the other more eager gentleman.
A couple of months later, I returned to Shark. It was a fairly slow night, maybe 5 customers in the joint. As I was being escorted to an empty booth in the upper row and glanced up at the stage see who was working, sure enough there was the rocker chick. As soon as she saw me she gave me that same smirk as before and then the drink gesture. I hesitated and then after a playful 'hmmmm' expression I signaled her over. She immediately jumped down and came to sit beside me. She said she was happy to see me and and I returned the pleasantry. She went on to tell me about the last time I was there and that she was sorry that she didn't accept my proposal but the other guy wanted her more.
She was so indifferent about the situation so I congratulated her on her business saviness and we chilled for a bit, had a few drinks, and then I took her out for a nice ST session. Ego intact.
AussieDoug
05-10-17, 11:17
Ha ha. You really make me laugh. Sounds like a tall story to me. I suggest read up on the internet. There are a few myths around. Then you can quote a reliable source. LOL
Girls who do not have periods are typically taking birth control pills non stop. Others may pretend they don't have a period but in fact stuff a small yellow sponge up there called a "Luuk Jiap" (literally means a "chick" - baby chicken).
There are girls taking injections of special birth control medication. That may prevent periods for extended time, I don't know. I have also heard fasting can cause a girl to miss periods but it would not be reliable. There are medications that talk about just 4 periods per year.Not going to ask Dr Google about this, have known many girls in the way I described and it is a fact. Also knew of a shit bloke who married a thai woman, he also shagged her mother, he actually thought his wife was preggers again, but she had just turned off. It happens, maybe you might like to ask a gyno doctor.
Not going to ask Dr Google about this, have known many girls in the way I described and it is a fact. It happens, maybe you might like to ask a gyno doctor.Might seem strange, but I don't typically consult Gyno doctors. I do know one in another country. There is no web info around though, That I can see, that suggests that women can control ovulation so easily, mind over matter. If girls can just turn off, how come so many young girls are getting accidentally pregnant? Perhaps the girl thought she "turned off" LOL but actually was still able to get pregnant. Girls are not really well educated about their own periods, and can easily have strange beliefs not based on any science.
Anyway, I don't believe stuff too easily unless there is pretty good evidence, especially when it comes to powers of the mind.
Grandaddy Perp
05-10-17, 12:02
Not going to ask Dr Google about this, have known many girls in the way I described and it is a fact. Also knew of a shit bloke who married a thai woman, he also shagged her mother, he actually thought his wife was preggers again, but she had just turned off. It happens, maybe you might like to ask a gyno doctor.A woman's cycle can be altered when she feels extreme bouts of depression, stress, or anxiety but the effects are random. There is no way for a woman to literally control the cycle with her mind. There must have been some other environmental stimulus involved like medication or they were just lying.
During my Bangkok visit last week I managed to visit some of the recommended bars in Nana and Soi cowboy.
As I mentioned before, Gogo bars are not my type so I'm not evaluating any experiences here with a Gogo girl, I just went to spend some time and watch the action with a couple of beers in every place.
As I read here I put on my list Billboard, Twisters from NEP and I added Angelwitch to check as because of the Rock music as I'm a fan.
From Soi Cowboy I put Crazyhouse, SuzieWong and Baccara for the popularity of the name.
NEP: Friday evening.
Billboard: Was the first place to visit, place was almost packed but I managed to sit on one of the benches, overall selection of girls was good, the overall attitude and behavior was very bad and pushy, the lady who escorted to my sitting bench insisted on pushing one of the girls to be my companion, I told her that I'm not going to choose a girl that day and I just came for 2 beers and leave, she doesn't care, my lady companion (#154) asked for a drink without taking my permission, I was not in the mood for arguments so I surrendered, I took my first beer and the lady took I tequila, before I finished my first beer the waitress came to ask me what I would like to drink more, again I ordered a second beer, the lady beside me was not talking and seems not interested, when her showtime was about to start she just left with no excuses, I finished my second beer and left.
Overall experience: may be nice selection of girls but the attitude inside is very bad.
Twisters: far more better than Billboard when speaking to the behavior of the management, no one there was pushy or rude, nothing to complain about, however the girls selection in BB was slightly better.
Angelwitch: Total crap, no rock music, very limited selection of girls all of them were not appealing, again pushy management, tried to force me to a certain lady but this time I was firm enough, boring shows and music, after 10 minutes I found a lady came and sit beside me asking me again to get her a drink, I refused gently but she just stayed beside me not talking and when I was going to leave she asked me to tip her for staying with me, I refused gently and left after about 20 minutes.
Soi Cowboy: Saturday night.
SuzieWong: Large selection of girls but most of them are average looking and may be old to some people's taste, some weird shows with pingpong balls, not my type but the ladies there looks interested in providing some fun, management attitude is very good and not pushy, the place was fun but may be the girls selection is not good.
Baccara: just stayed there for less than 2 minutes due to the place which was over packed with people, I didn't notice any nudes inside but there was a big selection of girls.
Crazyhouse: I think it was the best place over all, the best selection of girls among the other bars, lots of nude flesh everywhere, managed to have a chair on the bench between the stage and the bar, attitude is not annoying at all, overall seems like older ladies knows how to present themselves better than the younger ones, they are always smiling and appealing however I have to admit that the best selection of girls with different types was in CH, #63 (as long as I remember) was about to drive me crazy enough to decide to take a bar girl for the first time in LOS because of her dancing skills which was a lot seductive to my taste and her attractive smile and eye contacts shows how this lady is having abilities and know how to arouse a man, but one of the customers was locking her to himself, he was sitting on the stage underneath her and kept on flirting her till the end of the show as she went directly to him and they left together after a short while, the most annoying thing I saw there is some people trying to tip the ladies on stage with weird methods like putting money inside their vaginas.
It was strange for me specially that I felt the ladies are not interested with such things, I don't know if this is a common thing or not inside the place.
Overall experience with CH: it is the place to go for nice action to see and to choose a girl from. I will think to have a Gogo experience next visit.
I'm assuming that Cowboy, Nana, etc. Will all be closed for the Visakha Bucha holiday tonight (May 10), can anyone confirm? Anyone know of any places still open. Have a friend visiting town. On an unrelated note. Visited Kasalong again today. I swear service there seems to be in decline, which is sad. Really was my favorite. Un-engaged, no technique BBBJ and no CIM from girl. I wonder if there's been a change in the way the management is working or something. Probably shouldn't complain as it's still a pretty special thing to be able to do on any given Tuesday. Still, observing a downward trend.
Not going to ask Dr Google about this, have known many girls in the way I described and it is a fact. Also knew of a shit bloke who married a thai woman, he also shagged her mother, he actually thought his wife was preggers again, but she had just turned off. It happens, maybe you might like to ask a gyno doctor.Say hallo to Father Christmas when you see him next.
Last time I met him I was 5-6 years old. Lost his track since then.
First night in town, got in late, after midnight. Hurried to hotel across from Soi Cowboy and then scampered over. Lights are all out!
I missed it. Wandered the streets through and around it for what seemed an eternity (about 30 minutes). On second pass through the darkened Soi Cowboy alleyway, saw a girl (sitting amongst others and she caught my eye. I stopped, she looked, said, "Come sit by me". Small talk, arrangements, in a taxi to her place / room close by.
Her body was so petite, and almost skinny perfect. I was starting to worry if maybe she was a he. Must have read my mind in the cab as she glided my hand over her crotch.
Her name is Amber. Skinny, but healthy skinny. Such abs. Amazing. Just a tight little body and maybe the smallest, tightest punani I've ever seen / tasted / been inside. Bolt ONS that almost look like they're going to explode through what little room she has under her skin. Just an A+ experience.
Couldn't understand 90% of what she was saying, even though she was speaking English, but I have her on Line and when I find out where she works I'll let you know.
Well. After I leave town anyway.
Member #4591
05-10-17, 17:06
So the clubs in Bangkok such as Insanity, levels, climax, mixx, etc. Are any of them smoke free?? I know climax isn't smoke free, but if there is just 1 that is smoke free, then they'll have my business.I don't notice the smoke in Climax like before, Insanity is the same.
Trip report of my 2 week-ends in BKK:
1st week-end:
Climax was still alive, which is one of my fav. Hunting place (no bar fine, plenty of choices). But I have to say that the quality of the girls was pretty average. So much so that it took me ages to choose a girl, in fact it was closing time (4 am) when I asked a girl out. She was very friendly and relaxed, so I thought that she would be good in bed.
Average looking girl but with good attitude.
Sex was okay, nothing special, damage was 2000 be which is the ongoing rate for a freelancer.
Next night I went to Hillary 3 in the same Soi 11.
Again, the selection was poor, except a couple of girls who looked okay. The best thing about Hillary 3 was the music! Really good, but then I wasn't going there for the music.
So I walked up and down Sukhumvit to see what was on offer in the streets.
Lots of Africans (I'm not too keen on them), lots of ugly looking girls, lots of ladyboys, and a few okay girls. Passed.
I finally went to Nana plaza and found a good looking, friendly, bubbly girl and took her back. Again damage was 2000 be for a fairly good session.
But overall not too impressed with what I saw.
2nd week-end:
Totally shocked at learning that Climax closed its doors for good. Where should I go now?
I like the concept of a club / pub with freelancers and no barfine!
So I went to Insanity club. A bit by chance.
The venue is okay, the music good (more techno / dance than Climax), and more importantly girls.
Well, again, lots of average to ugly girls, but I noticed a few stunners!
Unfortunately, I got there a bit late, and some of them were taken already, but I believe that if you go there early (that's before 2 am as I did. !) you have a good chance to meet them!
Entry is 300 B and beer is 200 B.
When I choose a girl, I alway look for a sexy one (easy in Asia) that seems to have fun. I've been pretty lucky with my choices so far with this strategy.
And this girl was dancing like it was the last day of her life, and I thought that if she can move her body like that on a dance floor, then she can do the same in bed!
And indeed she was good in bed, moving her body over my dick with real passion!
Very GFE and ready to do it twice that night, it was a good experience, and it felt that she just wanted a good fuck with a guy rather than a paid sexual relation.
Still paid 2000 B, well worth it.
So there we go, Climax is closed, but there are other options, and I'm very curious to hear about your favourite Climax-style venues out there.
Thanks for sharing.
Only slept a few hours and decided to check out S22 a kapoo massage place I'd heard about, but it was now called B2 and I saw no one mingling around it, so. I chickened out and went by my old fav Kasalong.
It had rained today, so it was just slightly cooler than sitting next to a car that's been running for an hour, so when I got there I ordered a water (190 baht! And my favorite girl was nowhere to be seen, so I took someone named. Ah, hell, I can't remember her name. But she was the youngest looking girl there.
Speaking of which, I later googled for some info on S22 and apparently it had gotten raided a few years ago for trafficking under 18 girls. Yikes! No thank you!
So anyway, I paid my usual extra to get her butt naked. She didn't really want to take her bottoms off (period time), but I insisted that 'I' didn't mind, not really thinking that maybe SHE minded.
You'll all be happy to know that CIM did occur and she quickly spit it into wash towel, and she was really good at her job. Wish I could remember her name but, I'll just have to 'wing it' next time. She was pretty easy to choose, because the selection there was kinda. Lame. Mid day, about 1:00.
Does anyone go at night? I always go during the day.
Went and got a few more hours sleep, had a steak, and then went to Soi Cowboy again, where most of the lights were still out! Guess I missed the posts about Visakha Bucha. A few were open, Lighthouse, Suzy Wong, and. Shark, one I had never been in. I met a girl named Tacky, who pronounces it what sounds like Fuck-ee. Pretty girl with small breasts, a little taller than I normally like (but I'm a sucker for a nice girl if I sit and start talking), reddish brown hair longer on one side. She was really nice and I asked her to pick out another girl (usually a bad idea) and she chose her friend Nan.
This time it was a really good choice. Short blonde hair with light blue streaks, spinner with small boobs and some kick ass tattoos. They said 20 - Tacky was 30 but looked early 20's. So off we went back to my near by hotel and had a shower and a bunch of fun. Nan was another girl who's coochie was really small (geez I've hit the jackpot so far on this trip). As a threesome, I could be picky and say, I've had a hell of a lot better threesomes for free. Neither was really into doing anything with the other. But we ended it all with a double BBBJ that I could watch in the mirror and I was happy with it.
Yes, I didn't finish while having sex with either of them. Sometimes I just want to last and last. Oh, and of note. It was 3000 baht short time for each of them and 700 bar fine for Tacky, but 1500 bar fine for Nan. It sucks. But I just figured, maybe she'll be worth it. She IS, as long as you don't want GFE. She can be a little standoffish / shy, but she is a little tight body, with a small vagina. Like I said, I was happy.
Happy enough that we went and got dinner afterwards at the place across the alley from Sharks. Really good food. Enjoyable company. I know most here could care less about that part of it, but. I didn't mind that I spent that money on them.
During dinner I started to wonder if the restaurant had short time rooms for rent upstairs as these amazing looking (and dressed) women kept coming down with, not so great looking guys. Anyway, Tacky and Nan were a lot of fun to hang out with and talk to. Nan was a little more quiet and to herself, but Tacky was really cool and I'm going to go by and have a drink with her again after this holiday is over.
And on the way back to my hotel I realized. This is still Wednesday night! I notched four in just under 24 hours. Off to a great start on this trip!
Now though. I need some sleep.
Yes, I didn't finish while having sex with either of them. Sometimes I just want to last and last. Oh, and of note. It was 3000 baht short time for each of them and 700 bar fine for Tacky, but 1500 bar fine for Nan. It sucks. But I just figured, maybe she'll be worth it. She IS, as long as you don't want GFE. She can be a little standoffish / shy, but she is a little tight body, with a small vagina. Like I said, I was happy.I was in some GoGos for the first time in ages the other night and will be the last for awhile. Most were stocked with very average gals. Billboard had some good bodies and probably the best faces that I saw all night. But, lots of really poor quality nose jobs. After a couple of beers our little group of three (all 20 year plus vets of the scene) were discussing what these gals want price wise and what they are willing to provide. And frankly none of us see any value for money at all. Honestly, over 100 USD a piece for these gals? If they are good looking, have a ripping body, and provide an intense GFE or PSE depending on what the customer wants, they would be worth the 100 plus.
No offense to you personally SexInSti, but I just don't get it. One of the guys I was with still lives in the US and for 150 USD he can get a looker for an hour who really performs, has a good skill set, and takes her job seriously. When you add in the drinks at the bar and the ST hotel you are looking at close to 150, more if you are paying 1500 BF (which I might add is ridiculous).
I really do think that the punters are far less demanding these days. The gals know they can get away with poor to mediocre service and still get paid. Good on 'them. They are absolutely not to blame for the current "scene. " The guys are.
I was in some GoGos for the first time in ages the other night and will be the last for awhile. Most were stocked with very average gals. Billboard had some good bodies and probably the best faces that I saw all night. But, lots of really poor quality nose jobs. After a couple of beers our little group of three (all 20 year plus vets of the scene) were discussing what these gals want price wise and what they are willing to provide. And frankly none of us see any value for money at all. Honestly, over 100 USD a piece for these gals? If they are good looking, have a ripping body, and provide an intense GFE or PSE depending on what the customer wants, they would be worth the 100 plus.
No offense to you personally SexInSti, but I just don't get it. One of the guys I was with still lives in the US and for 150 USD he can get a looker for an hour who really performs, has a good skill set, and takes her job seriously. When you add in the drinks at the bar and the ST hotel you are looking at close to 150, more if you are paying 1500 BF (which I might add is ridiculous).
I really do think that the punters are far less demanding these days. The gals know they can get away with poor to mediocre service and still get paid. Good on 'them. They are absolutely not to blame for the current "scene. " The guys are.I totally agree that the guys are to blame. No doubt about it.
As far as sex in the USA, it's now close to the same price as in Thailand as far as a per encounter price. The difference being that if you get caught with a hooker in the USA, you get arrested, it goes on your permanent record, and you very likely lose your job.
Grandaddy Perp
05-11-17, 05:47
I totally agree that the guys are to blame. No doubt about it.
Agreed. I think the guys who are not keen on the more modern Thai P4P scene and still rely on the sex complexes for finding dates, are definitely not in a buyers market. I stopped into CH around 8 months ago and I wasn't impressed at all with what I saw. I see the draw in that they are naked and all but I didn't really see anything that has ever prompted me to go back.
These days the only place I stop into on a semi-regular basis is Pink Panther in Patpong. It's on the circuit I take out of town guests on. PP actually has some really hot Coyotes (curvy but really fit workout bodies) who can dance but they are still short with the typical Issan look and attitude. They will go with customers but I was shocked when one of my buddies had to have this girl that he fell for and ended up paying her 5000ST plus 1500 BF. I understand the convenience of these places, especially for tourists, but I think it's gotten to the point where these venues prefer to be more like lounges and wanting to keep customers inside and drinking in order to pay for their astronomical rent. Something like a 1500 baht BF is seemingly meant to discourage customers but at the same time, if they can get someone to pay it then they make out either way.
Where do you guys go then, if gogo's are bad? Where has the expat p4 p market shifted? I personally like the higher end soapy scene (3-4 k baht) for 1. 5 hours. I find the girls look way better than what you could find in a gogo, and service is often good, especially if they are very attractive. Oddly enough, it's the average or slightly above average looking girls that can be starfish material.
I used to go to nataree all the damn time, because 2600 baht and the selection were really good. And it was like 5-10 minutes away from where I lived (I probably chose that location because duh, soapies). But now I'm looking to move into the online / social-media scene as I think I can get better price-to-quality ratio. Got to build that p4 p roster amirite?
Where do you guys go then, if gogo's are bad? Where has the expat p4 p market shifted? I personally like the higher end soapy scene (3-4 k baht) for 1. 5 hours. I find the girls look way better than what you could find in a gogo, and service is often good, especially if they are very attractive. Oddly enough, it's the average or slightly above average looking girls that can be starfish material.
I used to go to nataree all the damn time, because 2600 baht and the selection were really good. And it was like 5-10 minutes away from where I lived (I probably chose that location because duh, soapies). But now I'm looking to move into the online / social-media scene as I think I can get better price-to-quality ratio. Got to build that p4 p roster amirite?Pretty much 100% PSE oily shops for me. But, I'm getting tired of the fact there are no real lookers there, hence I only partake about once a month when I am really revved up. Otherwise I just spend my money on other things. I'd be glad to pay more than the 1900 - 2300 for better looking gals who perform the as well as the PSE olly gals. But I have yet to find a venue that offers as such.
No offense to you personally SexInSti, but I just don't get it. One of the guys I was with still lives in the US and for 150 USD he can get a looker for an hour who really performs, has a good skill set, and takes her job seriously. When you add in the drinks at the bar and the ST hotel you are looking at close to 150, more if you are paying 1500 BF (which I might add is ridiculous).No offense taken. I'm sure that in certain parts of the States that's true, but in the majority of the USA, it's still at least $200/250 per girl (not the $118 I paid). I was recently in Chicago, where 'Asian Apartment Girls' is the big thing. And it's $200 for a very strict hour (or shorter if you pop early). The quality of girls varies, sometimes very good, sometimes OK, occasionally a superb one. But they never stick around. On top of that, the secrecy, the process of verification, the threat of LE.
As a long time monger, I can understand the perspective you have. If I was here full time, I'd get picky as hell. But I'm not. I'm like a kid in a candy store right now.
But. I still do appreciate the sitting and chatting, the walk and talk to the hotel, and in this instance, the quick dinner and chat afterwards; none of which I get with these kind of experiences in the States. All in all I probably spent almost 3 hours with the two of these girls, which would've cost me a lot more in the USA.
I really do think that the punters are far less demanding these days. The gals know they can get away with poor to mediocre service and still get paid. Good on 'them. They are absolutely not to blame for the current "scene. " The guys are.It may not be the 'less demanding' as it is just, unfamiliarity with the process. My first time here I fell for all kinds of stuff, just because I was worried I'd offend someone or didn't understand certain differences in how it all works. It's still a buyer's market, it just sometimes takes more work than buyers would like.
Where do you guys go then, if gogo's are bad? Where has the expat p4 p market shifted? I personally like the higher end soapy scene (3-4 k baht) for 1. 5 hours. I find the girls look way better than what you could find in a gogo, and service is often good, especially if they are very attractive. Oddly enough, it's the average or slightly above average looking girls that can be starfish material.
I used to go to nataree all the damn time, because 2600 baht and the selection were really good. And it was like 5-10 minutes away from where I lived (I probably chose that location because duh, soapies). But now I'm looking to move into the online / social-media scene as I think I can get better price-to-quality ratio. Got to build that p4 p roster amirite?A lot of the better looking girls I've met all use social media to set things up so they don't have to deal with some of the drunken silliness in the clubs. And the prices are better and no bar fines.
Member #4591
05-11-17, 09:06
Where do you guys go then, if gogo's are bad? Where has the expat p4 p market shifted? I personally like the higher end soapy scene (3-4 k baht) for 1. 5 hours. I find the girls look way better than what you could find in a gogo, and service is often good, especially if they are very attractive. Oddly enough, it's the average or slightly above average looking girls that can be starfish material.
I used to go to nataree all the damn time, because 2600 baht and the selection were really good. And it was like 5-10 minutes away from where I lived (I probably chose that location because duh, soapies). But now I'm looking to move into the online / social-media scene as I think I can get better price-to-quality ratio. Got to build that p4 p roster amirite?I'm with you on that. My recent Agogo ventures were very brief. I totally enjoy the higher end Sopies and more Thai oriented places now.
Member #4698
05-11-17, 09:41
I still like the Go Go's and find good looking / good performing girls there. This last trip I took quality girls out of Crazy House, Twister, Billboard, Mandarin, and Kings Castle II. I will post a trip report and bar review when I get over this jet lag thing. I also had enjoyable to amazing sessions in the Lord, La Belle, Addict, and Honey Bee. To my regret I could not find the time in 5.5 weeks to check out any Gentlemen's Clubs. I mixed it up with old friends (my regulars) and new talent of which I think a few might become regulars on my next trip.
I do not think soapy girls are any better looking than Go Go girls. A few are, but most are not IMHO. Most soapy girls appear to me to be from a different talent pool than Go Go girls. They look different. Service varies in most soapy places, but I think the service at the Lord is consistently exceptional, but as I wrote in another post, its a different kind of service than what I usually get from even my favorite Go Go girls or oily massage girls. The Lord girls are well trained / well managed sex professionals. Technically you don't have to do a thing. The girls really know how to turn a man on. Of course I participated equally in the action and had amazing times (5 out of 5 times) this year at the Lord. With Go Go girls and most oily massage girls, the sessions are much less technically oriented. It is more like amateur boy / girl love making which can get real passionate if you know what you are doing and are with the right girl which is why I still really like the Go Go's big time.
To each their own. I am always on the look out for new venues. I haven't tried the social media chat sites. I have looked in from time to time, but I never went further than that to set something up. I guess I am old fashion and like the hunt and to see a girl in the flesh, gage her atitude, talk to her, get a little personal, and then decide if I want her or not. Its all about the top 10% to 15% of the girls in oily massage parlors & Go Go's. The rest I leave to others. So I am still happy happy in BKK, but I also really like Jakarta and Manila, spending my time approximately 2:1:1 respectively. The girls there are different in MNL and CGK, but ultimately the same same. They are definitely worth checking out, however, if you find yourself getting weary of BKK girls. A little variety in this sporting life is a good thing.
To that end I must find the time to hit the Gentlemen's Clubs next time around. I make this resolution every year. Ha Ha.
I totally agree that the guys are to blame. No doubt about it.
As far as sex in the USA, it's now close to the same price as in Thailand as far as a per encounter price. The difference being that if you get caught with a hooker in the USA, you get arrested, it goes on your permanent record, and you very likely lose your job.I agree the all-in gogo club prices are edging up there, but Thailand can still be much cheaper if you play in certain segments of the market. Some examples:
In Bangkok two hours of multiple pop / full service at a PSE oily is 2,300 baht, which is $66 USD. For that price in the USA you typically get a QV (quick visit) 15 minute covered blow job off of Craigslist.
In Bangkok a BBBJ CIM at a BJ shop is 800 baht, which is $23 USD. In the USA it takes $60 for a QV (quick visit) 15 minute CBJ off of Craigslist.
In Bangkok quickie FS from a lower Suk FL can be had for 1,000 baht, which is $29. In the USA it takes $80 for a HH (half hour) of FS off of Craigslist.
In Bangkok a 90 minute two lady anything goes PSE at Eden Club is 4,200 baht, which is $120 USD. Guessing an equivalent two provider type situation in the USA would start in the $400-$500 range.
I could keep going but I think you get my point. In Bangkok not only can the prices be significantly lower, the service levels are typically significantly better.
SL.
I agree the all-in gogo club prices are edging up there, but Thailand can still be much cheaper if you play in certain segments of the market. Some examples:
In Bangkok two hours of multiple pop / full service at a PSE oily is 2,300 baht, which is $66 USD. For that price in the USA you typically get a QV (quick visit) 15 minute covered blow job off of Craigslist.
In Bangkok a BBBJ CIM at a BJ shop is 800 baht, which is $23 USD. In the USA it takes $60 for a QV (quick visit) 15 minute CBJ off of Craigslist.
In Bangkok quickie FS from a lower Suk FL can be had for 1,000 baht, which is $29. In the USA it takes $80 for a HH (half hour) of FS off of Craigslist.
In Bangkok a 90 minute two lady anything goes PSE at Eden Club is 4,200 baht, which is $120 USD. Guessing an equivalent two provider type situation in the USA would start in the $400-$500 range.
I could keep going but I think you get my point. In Bangkok not only can the prices be significantly lower, the service levels are typically significantly better.
SL.Very well put indeed! Too many people are not comparing equivalent things at all. I can get 2 hours in a Soapy with a young girl with a great perfect body for 2000 Baht. What will I get for same money in home country? I shudder to think what I would get for the same price. Something not at all nice. The western hookers at home are mostly (90%) horrible. I did not use one for many years. I quit tabletop clubs many years ago too. Not good VFM.
USA is known as the sex prison or super puritanical bible bashing Country. There are plenty of USA guys travelling to Europe for "secret" FKK sex holidays. They would not do that if the USA options were really good.
If there is nothing at a viable price in Thailand, guys could be finding girls on the Phnom Penh outskirts who don't speak English going for prices like many years ago, or Nigeria should be a cheap option.
I agree that gogo girls pricing has got out of hand, to be nearly double what it should be, however great fun girls can be found, and the money is not a big concern to a lot of the customers, hence that is how it got out of hand. There also seems to be no great difference in price asked between great girls and crap girls, perhaps varies more by the girls' looks, so that is why I like girls who do not specify a price. I can then adjust the payment to vary between great girls and crap girls. The reality is 90% of girls who don't specify a price, actually have a good attitude and turn out O.K.
For new girls, I tend to take the typical price multiplied by my success rate, to give a fair comparison between various new girl options. i.e. It is no use to me if Thermae girls cost me a little less, if none of them are good enough to repeat, service weak, and the body was unexpectedly poor. So bar girls are costing me more, but I have a higher success rate, than freelancers or Soapy girls. Only the PSE shops really offer a great price and a great success rate for service. It is then purely a question of finding someone pretty enough to be of interest.
There are many factors to consider, not just the price alone. I only take LT with girls known to be good VFM, pretty, good body and good service. Everything has to be right, almost perfect. Some of my gogo girls would be very good LT options for me if their price is right.
I do not think soapy girls are any better looking than Go Go girls. A few are, but most are not IMHO. Most soapy girls appear to me to be from a different talent pool than Go Go girls. They look different. Service varies in most soapy places, but I think the service at the Lord is consistently exceptional, but as I wrote in another post, its a different kind of service than what I usually get from even my favorite Go Go girls or oily massage girls. The Lord girls are well trained / well managed sex professionals. I agree, unfortunately my recent Lord tryout girl, was not as good as my favourite gogo girls for GFE service, her body was a little behind as well, and she was not as good as my Evita girl at almost 35% of the price. I guess this is bad luck, but not many of the Lord girls are stunning enough to really interest me, probably due to me being allergic to surgeries. The odd one like K35 spotted just once, was really stunning, so I may try again some day.
Most girls I ever tried at La Belle, were not good enough to repeat either. I only ever had one favourite there, and I went off her as well. I don't really understand what has gone wrong for me in the modern day, since 20 to 15 years ago at ChaoPhraya 2, I used to have very high success rates. Of course girls were all natural in those days, but that should not affect performance. I wonder if it has something to do with number of years in the age gap, and that 15 to 20 years ago, Thai girls liked young Farangs more than they do now.
USA is known as the sex prison or super puritanical bible bashing Country. There are plenty of USA guys travelling to Europe for "secret" FKK sex holidays. They would not do that if the USA options were really good.There are plenty of good options in the USA if you don't worry about being arrested and having that arrest ruin your life.
There are plenty of good options in the USA if you don't worry about being arrested and having that arrest ruin your life.What is the situation in the USA with reference to MP's. Of course not legitimate, but somehow hidden and active as in many oarts of the world?
Crocodilexp
05-11-17, 18:13
What is the situation in the USA with reference to MP's. Of course not legitimate, but somehow hidden and active as in many oarts of the world?Off-topic, but as far as I understand, police in the US do busts at MPs as well. If you're careful, the likelihood of getting caught for a customer is lower than with a streetwalker (too much effort to set up a full decoy shop to bust customers), but there have been arrests of customers during raids.
US is one of the rare countries where penalties for customers are extreme, potentially life-changing, and likelihood of being caught is high, since prostitution busts are easy, low-risk wins for the police. You can basically be labeled a sex offender and precluded from ever working a decent job again (due to background checks), or even living in most decent places. Even if not convicted, in some states, they can take your car through civil forfeiture on mere suspicion of cruising for sex.
I checked my regulars on LINE. I made some calls. Virtually none of my regular girls was available today.
Emannuelle girl away sick, Evita girl not in, Prae (Mango) on holiday, Orient girl still on holidays, Can Cam May girl not scheduled, ex Twisters girl avail tomorrow, Oom not working CH today, my New Massage girl Pink long gone (probably got a BF), etc. Etc. Just wanted a ST so was not taking my all night girl, as have to work early in morning, and my Soi 4 girl typically comes late. Decided to check Crazy House and if poor, would try maybe some other girls at Can Cam.
First set of girls (the shorties) no dice. No one with good enough face. 2nd set, I see a girl from the back only and admire her sleek body with beautiful peach ass. Is that ass familiar? Has blondish reddish hair. She is talking to another girl I know Noi. Recognise a few other girls, some not seen for a long time, Boom, Ui, Naen, and Chocolat (returned after baby). I change seats. Now I can see the cute ass is attached to a girl with very cute nose and very pretty pussy, in fact I know her, it is Jun (rhymes with fun) No. 93, skinny girl small tits, no baby, tight pretty pussy, but best of all she specializes in Farangs, doesn't like Asians or blacks, and was the girl who told me at our first meeting that she likes big cock, even before she had any clue what size I was. So absolutely no risk of the dick scared seized up stiff legs syndrome that I experience sometimes with new girls. I also remember she DFKs pretty good despite teeth braces. So here is a sure fire girl for me, who makes it fun on the bed. I could not remember at all if she does a good BBBJ. Too bad, I do remember I had her down as a definite for repeat.
So cost more than my recent Oily girl, due to bar fine and a couple of drinks each, and a ST room. However for me, her looks were far in front of the Oily girl, especially really model like body. So perhaps it is nearly worth it. Still cheap than my try at The Lord, and far more satisfying. As it is only Thursday, did not get kicked out of Asoke Place ST room after 1 hour. I would estimate we took 90 minutes. The DATY and BBBJ were not lengthy so most of the time was fucking in various positions. Her DFK was pretty good. BBBJ average I guess.
Not as good VFM as my Evita girl or a Mango or Tulip girl or my favourite on Soi 4, however, had to take what was available with no risk of failure, and got my type of pretty and sexy into the deal. It's not easy to find girls like this in the MPs where one can guarantee the perfection of the belly, pussy, and ass, see evidently no surgeries, railway tracks etc. In MPs you have to get lucky the first time she takes her clothes off, or have read someone's very detailed revue. None of my favourite girls ever came from someone else's revue. Always had to find them for myself to suit me. I usually only benefitted from recommendations of a shop to try out, and even then usually sceptical. For me, Crazy House line up tonight did actually have a few possibilities and definitely well in front of Club 102 line up the other night, of course it helps the girls are nude, but less surgeries as well. A few pairs of sillies tonight but not that many.
I don't actually care about the standard of the full line up when we are looking at 40 to 60 girls. Really only the top few ever matter. I can only really focus on one or two girls at a time.
Was funny about announcements at Crazy House. First one in Thai, tells the girls to make sure they have a photocopy of their ID cards, etc. For the Police inspection coming tomorrow. I could follow that announcement easily. 2nd announcement in English for the customers, possibly something about upstairs, but really I could not understand it at all. If they must announce in English, they should find a good English speaker. I am sure all the Japanese customers, equally had little clue what was announced.
One girl at CH I know comes from near to Siem Riap Cambodia and speaks Thai not so clear, possibly worse than me at times. I wonder if she has to stay away for the Police visit. She tells me it only costs her 250 Baht on bus and takes 4 hours to get to her home in Cambodia. Strange she can work. The Boi Baet Cambodian girl at Suzie Wong some time ago had to quit due to not a Thai citizen.
HorseTrader
05-11-17, 18:36
What is the situation in the USA with reference to MP's. Of course not legitimate, but somehow hidden and active as in many oarts of the world?I have used USA AMP's for many years. They advertise as massage on backpage, craigslist, and other online places. They tend to get busted when neighbors complain or when the government does a sweep, supposedly looking for sex trafficking. Sometimes television stations and newspapers do stories about sex at these massage places, complete with photographs of exterior and interior.
In USA, busts for street prostitution, American parlors, and escorts are common. IMHO, it is more difficult to set up a bust for an AMP simply because there are very few Americans working in law enforcement that can fake a good Asian accent and mannerisms. I'm still very cautious when I walk into an AMP for the first time.
XRatedBangkok
05-11-17, 18:39
Lak. That is her her name. Just left the room. Pornstar knockers and a pretty face, #80 regular girl in Crazy House. As I expected, not worth the 3000+700 BF damage. But still, I wanted to give her a shot.
Before anything, I asked her if she would do BJ, how long was the ST for her, you know, basic data. My questions made her reluctant and since my destination is not on Sukhumvit she would say "Sorry I won't go". I had to insist like a dumb ass to have her come. She asked me to go upstairs, I said I was not into it. "BJ only with condom" (she did, it lasted about 10 sec).
Then in taxi she was gossiping with the taxi driver. No bad spirit. Telling me about her life, her family, the bills she has to pay. The usual bar girl stuff. Big yawns, looking tired, not a good sign.
Touchdown at my place, light chat, straight to shower and she is waiting on the bed. I come, no kiss, I cuddle her, light GF reactions. She is pushy to get the condom on. I know the scene, it is a big turn off. Inside her in some positions, she acts like a GF on duty. Basically, she pushes me to cum. As the situation is a passion-killer, I am getting soft. Take off the condom, she HJs me. Then I get to titfuck her and come. What else to do? About 30 min. Not satisfied. Walk her downstairs as I promised to do, then immediately write the report.
So overall I do not recommend her. I'd say if you like big pornstar knockers, just pay her a drink and grab the beasts for a while. Anything else is just a waste of your energy, time, money and so on.
Lak. That is her her name. Just left the room. Pornstar knockers and a pretty face, #80 regular girl in Crazy House. As I expected, not worth the 3000+700 BF damage. But still, I wanted to give her a shot.
Ha ha. I did see her in there tonight, but did not dance many times, while I was looking. You must have BFed her.
Each to their own taste. The girl with the almost watermelon sized knockers does not appeal to me, and one time she had a big fight with Oom, one of my favourite tall skinny girls with light skin and with small tits (not enough to sag LOL) who likes stirring, so was probably asking for it LOL. Oom in contrast is an excellent fuck and likes to really go for it on the bed. She wasn't working tonight.
You should have tried the highly war painted, highly pierced, very dark skinned "Geronomo" girl Ice, sillies approaching a Dcup, maybe not quite. She was there tonight, and Smoothy says she lives up to her raunchy look. Unfortunately not my taste at all. The face not exactly feminine for me.
We all have a different idea of what is pretty. So Lak was pretty average looking for me, and the tits are just ridiculous. I do enjoy large soft not too saggy naturals though. You would probably not go for my girl tonight at all being the super slim model type. Was probably under 45 Kg at 160 to 165 cm. Very good waist to thigh ratio though giving her a nice curve and big gap between the thighs accentuating the full firm high ass cheeks.
I used to take Bo with natural big Dcups a long time ago once or twice but rather a star fish. Ging Gaew also had big naturals on voluptuous body, and was good, but she is long gone (probably has a sponsor). My two other great girls with big tits, Nat and May Lee are also both gone. Still a few girls there with really nice natural tits, however, the faces vary, and I did not even meet some of the new ones yet.
XRatedBangkok
05-11-17, 20:01
Ha ha. I did see her in there tonight, but did not dance many times, while I was looking. You must have BFed her.
Each to their own taste.(...).
You should have tried the highly war painted, highly pierced, very dark skinned "Geronomo" girl Ice (...).
We all have a different idea of what is pretty. So Lak was pretty average looking for me, and the tits are just ridiculous.(...)Yep, I did call her immediately as I entered the joint. Totally agree, we all have different tastes, and even mine can vary with time and blood alcohol level. I was suspicious about her talent, and turns out I was right. She is a grinder. I find her juggs also exaggerated, almost freaky, but nevertheless I wanted to try. Maybe I watched too many American x-rated flicks. She told me she had several breast enhancement, and she was not happy with the results since the nipples would point upwards, so the solution was to make the boobs bigger.
Yes, it is difficult not to notice Ice, tattoos, piercing and stuff. I am pretty sure she is in almost anything you would ask, the great PSE. But there is something masculine about her that turns me off.
Now most of big titties in CH are fake, as long as I can judge. Same as Baccara. But as a European, I kinda miss voluptuous breast and hips. But still happy to live here.
BF'd Moji tonight. Very petite with lovely smile. 2500ST + 700 BF. Good experience, sweet girl, eager to please. One question. Do all of the girls at CH who wear skirts / tops do so because they have had kids and are hiding stretch marks. That was the case with her, although still a lovely little body.
It's still a buyer's market, it just sometimes takes more work than buyers would like.I'd disagree with you here. It is a seller's market. There are way fewer gals on the game then then were 15 years ago. And that is on every level. Soapies were stocked; ChaoPraya 2 was full. Bet there were no less than 150-200 gals on the risers. GoGos were heaving and at closing time the gals would be going up to every punter they could find outside the bars in Cowboy and at the exit to NP saying, "go with you, go with you?" Suk was packed with FLs. Again, you could not walk 20 mtrs without a proposition. Overall attitudes were significantly better as well.
I remember a conversation I once had with the owner of Playskool, Sheba's, and Suzi's back about '10. He said, "These gals used to work for me; now I work for them. ".
BF'd Moji tonight. Very petite with lovely smile. 2500ST + 700 BF. Good experience, sweet girl, eager to please. One question. Do all of the girls at CH who wear skirts / tops do so because they have had kids and are hiding stretch marks. That was the case with her, although still a lovely little body.No. Oom is shy to dance totally nude, but has no baby, no stretch marks and no sag. Has nice tits but not big at all, like young teenage tits. Skinny girl. It is just girl's personal choice. If the skirt is pulled up very high to almost the navel exposing pussy underneath, then 90% chance she is hiding damage.
Some girl have excellent tits but hide them under a bra. Seems silly. Also silly that they don't have topless girls unless they are full nude. I would not mind if girls wore G string but showed their lovely tits.
It's easy to check. Buy the girl a drink and lift her skirt. I once bought Oom a couple of tequilas and then took her top off. She did not keep it off but at least I got a good look and feel. It's not illegal to feel up a girls tits either.
I'd disagree with you here. It is a seller's market. There are way fewer gals on the game then then were 15 years ago. And that is on every level. Soapies were stocked; ChaoPraya 2 was full. Bet there were no less than 150-200 gals on the risers. GoGos were heaving and at closing time the gals would be going up to every punter they could find outside the bars in Cowboy and at the exit to NP saying, "go with you, go with you?" Suk was packed with FLs. Again, you could not walk 20 mtrs without a proposition. Overall attitudes were significantly better as well.Yes absolutely. CP2 was in it's heyday for quite a number of years up until Thaksin came to power. I probably used it from about 1995 onward, and regular up to year 2000, and again in around 2004-2005. Thaksin's guy in parliament, forget the name, swept out all the non Thai nationals and [CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902) girls in early 2000's. Forget exact year. That may have been just over 15 years ago. As there were a lot of Tha-yai from Burma in CP2, the numbers dropped significantly, by up to 30%. I am still in contact with one of those girls who got swept out. In her late 30's now. Then the 2007-2008 financial crises decimated the remaining business, but decline was already well underway before that. I probably ended my visits to CP2 in about 2005, when it was still going okay But no where near it's peak. Subsequent visits after the financial crises saw very weak numbers and mostly the older girls that once wore white uniforms. I have not made another visit in recent years.
The steep price rises in the gogos, seem to be evidence that it has been very much a sellers market, where lack of price rises in the Oilies for many years, excepting perhaps Japanese oriented shops, suggests that sector in a buyers' market.
Gogo girls seem to set prices between 2000 and 3000. Perhaps some go lower, but presumably those ones are to ugly for me to consider, since I never met them. I still get plenty of girls going without setting a price though. I think my crap girl from Angel Witch asked for 2.5K after I told her to go home, and had not even fucked her. She clearly was worthless. Not even close to a 2.5K price. Compare to an Evita girl costing 2K that probably makes 1.2K at most for a 2 hour session, perhaps only 1K.
It's definitely a sellers market at "The Lord" soapy. that place has 100 girls and a lot of them are busy upstairs, despite the over the top prices. It's easily seen to be much busier than the other Soapies. Hard to fathom, for me, since I only find a very small portion to be absolutely stunning due to quirks of my personal taste (the stunning K class girl had a price over 6K Baht girl probably gets 3.5K of that max) . Catherine used to be a very busy Soapy for Thai customers, but I haven't checked in recent years. Girls in line up were too ugly for me.
Now most of big titties in CH are fake, as long as I can judge. Same as Baccara. But as a European, I kinda miss voluptuous breast and hips. But still happy to live here.Yes I don't see any big wobbly bouncy naturals around at the moment, unless on fat girls. Some firm mid sized tits that may be natural. I was checking out a couple of those girls.
Yes disturbing trend that looks are starting to head towards Bacarra style, with more crazy or wig like hairdos, more nose jobs and more sillies. Was better for me 3-4 years ago.
I really do think that the punters are far less demanding these days. The gals know they can get away with poor to mediocre service and still get paid. Good on 'them. They are absolutely not to blame for the current "scene. " The guys are.I agree. That is why, at a minimum, I focus on achieving a fully CIM finish BJ or a REAL GFE in terms of FS. That is virtually the only VFM a modern young Thai P4 P girl is capable of offering due to lack of expectations on the part of the customers. Big waste of time and money searching endlessly for and expecting modern young Thai P4 P girls to deliver something wonderfully "PSE" or so-called "GFE" by pulling some fabulous sensual tricks or gimmicks out of an empty bag thanks to today's lower customer demands. They don't have wonderfully sensual tricks to offer, never needed them, never learned them, aren't intrinsically inclined to do them, will only engage in them after lengthy and repeated training sessions, if that. The vast, vast majority of the time, they only have what god gave them at birth to offer. Which is quite fine, btw.
Any compromise on that minimal standard isn't worth the money and travel time to this part of the world, imo. Not for P4P, that is. For dating regular non-P4P girls and getting as much natural pussy and complete blowjobs you can rack up, this is still a terrific destination.
Yes I don't see any big wobbly bouncy naturals around at the moment, unless on fat girls. Some firm mid sized tits that may be natural. I was checking out a couple of those girls.
Yes disturbing trend that looks are starting to head towards Bacarra style, with more crazy or wig like hairdos, more nose jobs and more sillies. Was better for me 3-4 years ago.I made my first venture to CH earlier this year and was amazed at the quality. I always say that the girls in Baccara on Walking Street are the best in either city, but CH was very close. Of course the total nudity may have influenced my senses LOL, but Baccara, at least in Pattaya, has some nudity. I wasn't impressed with the Baccara in Soi Cowboy at all. Too small, and to many girls on stage at one time. Just MHO.
I wasn't impressed with the Baccara in Soi Cowboy at all. Too small, and to many girls on stage at one time. Just MHO.I agree. When fussy about choosing a girl, it is not good when majority of the girls are hidden by others due to overcrowded stage. They could easily have more sets of girls with less dancing in each set. Have to walk around the whole stage to see if anyone looks interesting. I never liked the upstairs girls at all..
Twisters in Nana has some good quality girls, but many have multi layer bras with padding, so cannot tell if the tits are good or not. Some topless girls.
I never liked the upstairs girls at all..
Interesting. Yet you like CH. A good number of the girls working at CH used to work upstairs at Baccara.
In my experience, the girls working upstairs at Baccara wearing the school girl outfits are much naughtier and better in bed than the girls downstairs in the bikinis.
Interesting. Yet you like CH. A good number of the girls working at CH used to work upstairs at Baccara.
In my experience, the girls working upstairs at Baccara wearing the school girl outfits are much naughtier and better in bed than the girls downstairs in the bikinis.I don't doubt that upstairs girls at Bacarra may be better on the bed. I still never selected one. Could not find an all natural pretty one (would have been working downstairs if had the looks).
I don't like CH that much any more. Visits are now infrequent. It is starting to be a bit more like Bacarra for girl looks (not a good change). Saying I like CH is over simplification. It's more like I prefer CH over other Cowboy bars due to naked girls and maybe a better selection than Long Gun, Doll House, Suzi Wong. That is not saying much.
Yes we know you like raunchier, where I like prettier. Could be some of the raunchy girls at CH come from Bacarra and yes some are very ugly. I don't like ALL girls at any club. Non of my CH girls came from Bacarra. I am aware of two crap girls at CH that came from Doll House, Priao and Chocolat, and are in the more raunchy category, but bad on the bed. No big deal. I am not interested in either of them.
I have had 3 Bacarra girls that were worth repeating over the years (all from downstairs. Pretty rather than raunchy), so I can like Bacarra girls, if find the right ones, no surgeries. I have only 3 girls at CH that I have fucked in the last year, and 1 or 2 others gone. In a bunch of 60 to 80 girls, that is not highly representative. Did not try a new girl this year.
For girls working in gogo bars, I have only 3 left that I would repeat, and all are from CH. Suzie, Twisters, Billboard, Mercury, etc. girls all left the club. Some found sponsors. Other girls tried in last few months were not good enough to repeat. It's trending towards eventually having no bargirls left at all. Found 1 new Soapy girl worth repeating, and a couple of repeatable Oily girls, this year. The mongering scene must be in decline, or I just get less and less satisfied by talent available. Takes so much effort to find girls to go on the regular list now.
Will be staying at grand Hyatt for business meetings over this weekend however have couple.
Of guys with me, please guide me if there is any sopie BJ bar etc very near.
To it so that I can have quick action within 1-2 hours.
Looking forward to help and I'm case anyone needs directions in India I.
Will be of help.
I am aware of two crap girls at CH that came from Doll House, Priao and Chocolat, and are in the more raunchy category, but bad on the bed. No big deal. I am not interested in either of them.So they are raunchy girls and you say you don't like raunchy girls, and you are not interested in either of them. Just curious, but how do you know they are bad on the bed?
Went to Shark, because I am familiar with there and liked it enough in the past 3 years. Line-up is looking worst though. It's a bit of a cow festival on stage, but I see so many familiar faces. But most all of them heavier. Maybe with different hairstyles, but certainly heavier. Almost no girl there is slim, but I honestly like girls who are not slim (but certainly nowhere near fat).
And also, because CH isn't filled up with smoke (I suffer from nasal allergies / CS), I like it enough.
Got LD for 1 girl who made eye contact with me on stage and came to me, one of the few slim girls. She orders a shot, so strike one there. I tell her I stay in Bangkok for 2 years and she doesn't seem to like this too much. So in my mind I decide this is over and just let her sit there and say nothing, forcing her to make conversation as I really couldn't care where this leads. We kind of hit it off anyway so it wasn't awkward or anything. At one point asks for me to buy some shots because I'm being too shy. I tell her no I don't drink much (I don't). She then asks about BF as her dance shift is coming soon. I tell her 2000 baht (as I am still not really interested in exploring this endeavor, based on her attitude and she isn't exactly great looking either, just above average). She says 3000, I attempt to negotiate down to 2500 (this is what I have paid every girl here for 3 years) and it's time for her to go dancing on stage. She was one of the better looking girls there, because of how poor the lineup is overall. Comes back after her rotation and tells me I should smile more. I didn't know she was a life coach in addition to dancing semi-topless.
So back to basics, the girl I have BF numerous times stops by after her dance shift. Have been seeing her since 3 years for ST when I go here. Anyway, she's good in bed and has been working for 5-6 years here but still looks really good at 30 (looks 25) and managed to keep the weight off (actually lost weight since I last saw her). She gives a great BJ as she uses oil with the BJ, plenty of foreplay and DFK. FS is of course just as fine, and I pay her 2500ST, same price I pay there everytime. I can't recall her stage number (I never look at them), but she is short, light skin for someone from Issan, large but good implants, blonde (dyed) hair, 2 star tattoos on her right eye. I probably won't repeat anytime soon, as she wouldn't provide bareback. The hunt for more bareback hotties continues.
The hunt for more bareback hotties continues.In my opinion, that type of hunt is not difficult. Find a Thai girl who speaks no English at all.
Member #4591
05-13-17, 21:01
Started off eating with a Thai buddy of mine at The Old Dutch Mill. It's at the corner end of Soi Cowboy on the Suk Soi 23 end around the corner from CH. As we were eating, we could see all the ladies coming in to work. We were keeping track and guessing how many of them would go into Baccara. About 80% looked extremely hot and most were entering Baccara. After eating we did a couple of laps on Soi Cowboy checking out the girls standing out front.
Our first stop was CH. Big mistake because my Thai friend was denied entrance. We then headed into Baccara. The ground floor was packed with Japamwse guys and there were so many girls on stage, it was difficult for them to dance so all they could do was stand there and wiggle their hips a little. There were two groups and the econd group was mixed in with the crowd of customers, so many ladies. We decided to go upstairs where the girls are all in Thai school girl uniforms and topless with no panties. I personally love the upstairs much better, the girls are better looking and nautier IMO. Howeever, it just wasn't much fun though for some reason. The vibe was just not good so we left after our first beer amd headed over to Cowboy 2.
Cowboy 2 is just full of hot ladies but about 50% aren't barfinable. Anyways in here we had a great time. The tables around the outside of the bar and stage have a separate pole and dancing area for a lady to entertain the guests. There was a group of 3 ladies with darker skin with average faces that managed to swindle some drinks from us. One slightly heavier but sexy girl insisted on dancing for us. She was quite good and I enjoyed teasing her with 100 Baht notes and sticking them into her panties while sometimes pulling them all the way down. I then took a tour around the bar and found us a couple of real nice white skinned beauties to join us. We played with them for a while and one of the other three didn't get the hint so continued to stay and tried for more drinks. Anyways if you want a nice laid back bar to drink amd flirt with the ladies, this is it. It's more like a G club in the way that it's not guaranteed the lady will leave with you. Completely the ladies choice but the bar still has bar fine rules. 2,500 before midnight and 1,000 after midnight. Where a G club has no bar fine. After we left my Thai friend went home so I headed back over to CH. I wanted to see what I was missing.
In the past I have been into CH and was not impresssd. In fact, during my 6 years in Bangkok, I have only bar fined 2 or 3 ladies from there. I always found the staff very rude and trying to rip me off by padding the bill. This time the doorman saw me and insisted I pay for a drink at the door before going in. This was the first time this ever hapenned to me. Normally, for the principal of the matter I wouldn't do it but I really wanted to check out the action so I complied. Upon entering, I couldn't believe my eyes. The stage was full of completely naked ladies and about 80% were above a 7. The upstairs which is normally shut down was on fire amd packed with ladies and customers. To say the least, it didn't take me long to find someone. Back downstairs I walked around the stage once and spotted this spinner with the most amazing rear end. She was just perfect with natural be cups to match. Her skin was darker than I normally like but her ass and body were so amazing, I couldn't help myself. I wasn't going to waste anytime so I called her down. I bought 5 shots for her right away. Interestingly enough, she could only finish 4 of them so I offered to drink one and we had a good cheers. Then something strange happened. 2 servers and 2 Moma sons came over and there was a big long discussion with them and my lady. It turns out that customers aren't aloud to drink a LD that was bought for the lady. They took one of her drink chits back so she wouldn't get paid for it. Unless the dequila is fake, I don't see the need for this rule. It tasted real amd strong enough for me. This time I was on the side of the lady amd protested but to no avail, they took her chit. In the past it was some of the ladies who tried to rip me off by agreeing to be bar fined and then after getting their drinks, changing their minds or trying to order drinks without me knowing. This is why I don't normally like CH because there is always drama. Anyways after this, I paid the 700 Baht bar fine and my bill. I had 2 Moma sons and 2 servers around begging for tips. Always this drama, but this time the girls were so hot so I sucked it up and pushed forward.
Her name is Noi and she also goes by Minth, she is no. 21. From what I hear, the numbers often change so her number may be different at a later time. Anyways, I just signed up for my 2nd ST and ST room encounter in the last 6 years. I used to always insist on LT but I would like to stop takimg ladies back to my condo for privacy reasons. She asked for 3,000 and I agreed. I could have paid 2,500 but I didn't care to negotiate over 500 Baht with this hottie. We headed over to the ST room hand in hand at the opposite end of Soi Cowboy. The cost of the room was 350 Baht and decent quality and clean. What I liked about this girl first off is she is under 25 but she was in no rush. This felt like an extended ST. We talked for about 45 minutes pre shower on the bed and then another 30 minutes after the shower naked on the bed. Then started cuddling and making out. Her body was just so amazing, I spent a good 30 minutes exploring every inch with my hands and then my tongue on her pussy. She loved it and was wiggling around making sexy noises. I couldn't resist anymore and moved into position to start the main event. Whoops, in the heat of the moment we had both forgot about the condom. After a little action without, she decided it was best to get one so she stuck her head out the door of the room and the staff passed her a condom. The blissful Action then continued in mish, then cowgirl, with the main event in doggy. Man I did not last long in doggy, her ass was so amazing. One of my top 10! After we showered up, exchanged line and phone numbers amd I was off. A good 3 hour ST experience and well worth the 3,000 plus 500 Tip.
Body- 10.
Face -8.
Atitude-10.
Service-10 GFE.
Repeat- Yes but not in CH. Will meet up through Line.
All in all, I don't really like CH. The bottom floor is always crowded, the staff are rude and pushy, and they always try to rip you off and beg for tips. However, if you can overlook this, on some occasions like Friday night, they have the best line up in the city on the stage completely naked for you to choose.
Bkkdog, I was in CH at about 8 pm or 8. 30 because line up is theoretically better early on.
The bar cannot let you drink lady drinks because it costs them 60 Baht commission to the girl. So they make less money. I got away with this scam at Suzi Wong a couple of years ago to help a girl make her monthly drinks quota. I can see why CH needed to ban the practice because customer and lady drinks are virtually the same price.
They should actually charge more for a lady drink to cover her commission if 60 baht, however I am happy the lady drink price is lower than at Suzie.
Yes some of the staff are shitty. I really don't care. All bills have to be signed to avoid ripoffs or anything unexpected. Even BF has a bill sheet to be signed these days.
To my taste, the average girl standard in CH has declined as they slowly move to a more Bacarra like look. So am surprised you liked it more than previously. I particularly liked it in its first year although my favourite was there about two years ago. The most stunning girls are all gone in my opinion. One extreme cutie left to have a baby and probably wreck her great body. Could not stand that thought.
In my opinion, that type of hunt is not difficult. Find a Thai girl who speaks no English at all.Hard to find young girls with zero English in the modern day I would have guessed. 30 years ago yes there were girls with absolutely zero in the soapies. Now not so sure.
XRatedBangkok
05-14-17, 04:59
Went yesterday to Hillary 2 bar on Soi 4. It is now one of the few places around where you can have live music. No big surprise for those who are familiar with the place, a lot of FL are looking for a prey. But since Bangkok Beat closed and so did Climax, working girls and single guys rush to this one place and it became way too packed. You literally cannot stand anywhere without being pushed by the staff, without being on somebody's way. I mean I like the crowd but the density just became too high, add to this the screaming sono and it makes it an overall unpleasant experience. Sadly. Any alternative joint?
Hard to find young girls with zero English in the modern day I would have guessed. 30 years ago yes there were girls with absolutely zero in the soapies. Now not so sure.I had 3 girls in 2 weeks with zero English my last visit to Bangkok recently. They are there. I wouldn't know about the soapies, I haven't been to a soapy in about 10 years. Those soapy girls are more hard core, so I would guess none of them can't speak at least a little English. Considering the daily number of dicks those soapy girls have entering their vaginas, I wouldn't want to bareback one anyway. But there are certain gogos and beer bars that often have new girls who have no English skills. If you befriend and tip a mamasan in advance, they will even send you a text when new ones arrive. Many times those girls only work there a short time and are never seen again.
Grandaddy Perp
05-14-17, 06:31
Hard to find young girls with zero English in the modern day I would have guessed. 30 years ago yes there were girls with absolutely zero in the soapies. Now not so sure.Not sure why you would assume that. Its only been 5 years since the big AEC scare which did prompt the government to speak out more than normal when it comes to pushing for more English in schools but it was mostly rhetoric and they ended up retracting funding which continues the cycle of low quality teachers and education content. There are also a lot of young Thais, in Bangkok and more so the provinces, who don't think about the practical benefits of learning English until its forced upon them.
Blanquiceleste
05-14-17, 07:28
Our first stop was CH. Big mistake because my Thai friend was denied entrance.
The vibe was just not good so we left after our first beer amd headed over to Cowboy 2.
Completely the ladies choice but the bar still has bar fine rules. 2,500 before midnight and 1,000 after midnight.
This time the doorman saw me and insisted I pay for a drink at the door before going in. This was the first time this ever hapenned to me. Normally, for the principal of the matter I wouldn't do it but I really wanted to check out the action so I complied.
One of my top 10! After we showered up, exchanged line and phone numbers amd I was off. A good 3 hour ST experience and well worth the 3,000 plus 500 Tip.
What a fantastic report. And so many lessons for green punters. Thank you BKKDog.
A couple of questions and comments:
1. Why on earth is a Thai refused entry at CH? I have not seen this happen anywhere else and I have not been to CH with a Thai man, so pardon my ignorance.
2. How much did you say the barfine is at Cowboy 2 ? Looks incredibly steep. Have not been there in ages.
3. A huge lesson for punters. Never let your ego get the better of you. Had you refused to pay upfront for a drink and walked away (like so many I know would) the whole encounter would have just not happened.
4,. Despite poor experiences in the past you remained focused on the key objective. You did not let a few 100 baht ruin the mood. And I think the girl knew that she had overquoted 3000 but since you did not negotiate she voluntarily turned it into an extended ST. I hope some of price police here make note of this.
Fantastic stuff!
I had 3 girls in 2 weeks with zero English my last visit to Bangkok recently. They are there. I wouldn't know about the soapies, I haven't been to a soapy in about 10 years. Those soapy girls are more hard core, so I would guess none of them can't speak at least a little English. Considering the daily number of dicks those soapy girls have entering their vaginas, I wouldn't want to bareback one anyway. But there are certain gogos and beer bars that often have new girls who have no English skills. If you befriend and tip a mamasan in advance, they will even send you a text when new ones arrive. Many times those girls only work there a short time and are never seen again.Soapy girls more "hard core"? No idea what that means. They certainly aren't pornstars. Funny you think Soapy girls have so many customers. I think the PSE shop girls are likely to do more sessions, if they are popular. A soapy girl may just do one or two. Anyway it us not the number of dicks, it is more the types of customer and where those guys have been.
My buddy barebacking bargirls that could speak English caught a dose of Gonnor in his first week in Thailand.
In old days Soapies was a place to get non Thai girls and now the Bumese girls with zero English could be in beer bars. Even my Cambodian girls had good english but one true Laos said she had zero English. I did not test her.
I only a single beer bar girl in last few years from Stumble Inn. They really have to speak good English in there.
As I normally speak Thai, I can't tell the absolute zero girls that easily however they all start with "What your name?" "Where you come from?" Don't know if these still qualify for zero English.
When I first came to Thailand and took a soapy girl with me having zero Thai, that was when I knew the girl had zero English. Still enjoyed. Must admit I was scared to fuck her with no condom since I did not want the wife to catch something.
Too me, anyone doing BB with plenty of girls is willing to wear the cost of catching Gonor or Chlamydia from time to time, or one of the other less common.
If it easy to get BB from a girl, whether she speaks English or not, then it is best I don't want it due to possible repercussions with more important girls. If a new girl offers it to me straight off I will likely refuse. I recall knocking that back from very low class bargirls.
Depends on yoyr assessment of how many guys she already fucked. So I understand point about girls fresh off the farm that may have fucked a limited number of Thai boys only.
A couple of years back I did a Long Gun girl fresh off the farm and she did not know to use a condom first time. On a repeat she had changed to use a condom, taught by the doctor. That was good for her. You meet some ignorant girls although she probably still had very small English ability maybe. They try to forget everything learned in school but a few basic phrases probably stick.
She was not that good on the bed so first time was really only good enough satisfaction due to the BB. Did not CIP. Without BB she was below average. Good tight body and face but did not know how to fuck really.
I am in Phnom Penh. In first few days I could easily learn some basic phrases, in fact I have a few on the first day from taxi driver. Does not mean there is any comprehension when spoken to of course. So what is zero English? I assume if girl does not know Good or thankyou, then that is zero.
The Cambodian waiter says to me "check bin" ha ha. He is speaking to me in Thai, thinking it was English. LOL
Member #4591
05-14-17, 09:09
Bkkdog, I was in CH at about 8 pm or 8. 30 because line up is theoretically better early on.
The bar cannot let you drink lady drinks because it costs them 60 Baht commission to the girl. So they make less money. I got away with this scam at Suzi Wong a couple of years ago to help a girl make her monthly drinks quota. I can see why CH needed to ban the practice because customer and lady drinks are virtually the same price.
They should actually charge more for a lady drink to cover her commission if 60 baht, however I am happy the lady drink price is lower than at Suzie.
Yes some of the staff are shitty. I really don't care. All bills have to be signed to avoid ripoffs or anything unexpected. Even BF has a bill sheet to be signed these days.
To my taste, the average girl standard in CH has declined as they slowly move to a more Bacarra like look. So am surprised you liked it more than previously. I particularly liked it in its first year although my favourite was there about two years ago. The most stunning girls are all gone in my opinion. One extreme cutie left to have a baby and probably wreck her great body. Could not stand that thought.I was there about 11:00 and it was better than I had ever seen it. I read your report from Thursday night and it seemed to state it wasn't as good. Honestly, this was the first time I actually had a good time there despite all the drama.
Member #4591
05-14-17, 09:16
What a fantastic report. And so many lessons for green punters. Thank you BKKDog.
A couple of questions and comments:
1. Why on earth is a Thai refused entry at CH? I have not seen this happen anywhere else and I have not been to CH with a Thai man, so pardon my ignorance.
2. How much did you say the barfine is at Cowboy 2 ? Looks incredibly steep. Have not been there in ages.
3. A huge lesson for punters. Never let your ego get the better of you. Had you refused to pay upfront for a drink and walked away (like so many I know would) the whole encounter would have just not happened.
4,. Despite poor experiences in the past you remained focused on the key objective. You did not let a few 100 baht ruin the mood. And I think the girl knew that she had overquoted 3000 but since you did not negotiate she voluntarily turned it into an extended ST. I hope some of price police here make note of this.
Fantastic stuff!I suspect they are afraid of Thai men being police who are not on their payroll. Technically its illegal to have nude dancers on stage.
The bar fine at Cowboy 2 is 2,500 before midnight and 1,000 after. It is because they are trying to give the impression of being higher class or more high so as the Thais put it. As I stated, it's set up more like a G club so the ladies are not obligated to go out with a customer but if they do, it is worth their while. 2 years ago I was quoted 6,000ST there and I did not like the lady enough to take the plunge. Cowboy, Dejavu are in a group of Agogos that are confusing to most mongers. They think every lady on Soi Cowboy is barfinable. It's unfortunate that they exist as apposed to Nana Plaza where it's completely the opposite. If you enter one of these clubs, go with no expectations and just have fun. You never know what might happen.
In my opinion, that type of hunt is not difficult. Find a Thai girl who speaks no English at all.At the other end of the spectrum, I have had some of the smoothest and most hassle-free moves into BB on first meeting with highly educated Thai girls who speak English quite fluently. In fact, some of the easiest times I have had in the past few months were with three attractive nurses who work at some of the biggest hospitals located in Bangkok's red light districts. One of them even works in the area of the hospital that does routine HIV / STI screening. Not where I get my routine blood checks, though. Met them on dating sites. So I am not talking about bargirls exactly. Each knows I am not exclusive to them or anyone. Only one bothered to look at my latest blood check document, which I always offer to show when the subject comes up, because she was curious to see how Thai Red Cross Society's document looks compared with the one she gets as a medical professional.
In every case, we were boffing BB within an hour of entering my apartment on the very first meeting day. When the subject of going back to my room comes up, I mention that I have had a vasectomy and that I have a current clean blood check document if they would like to see it. As I said, only one was curious to see it. All three felt perfectly safe in going forward with BB sex. Well educated, particularly in the risks involved, and quite English-fluent. Same with most of the other better-educated, English-fluent Thai girls I have met over the past 5 years.
It's the ones in the middle, low educated girls who are mostly going on tall tales, boogie-man stories and rumors about the risks who are the most likely to dig in and not care about blood check documents who are most likely to say "no condom, no sex" in my experience.
Not sure if anyone posted this guy yet but this (ex?) bar owner has some really nice tips / tricks / info for newbies (like myself hehe). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rswu90CDkRo Thought I'd share. Something different for once compared to the undercover video's of all areas.
As I normally speak Thai, I can't tell the absolute zero girls that easily however they all start with "What your name?" "Where you come from?" Don't know if these still qualify for zero English.If I can't communicate with them other than my name and need to enlist another girl to help me communicate, I consider them to speak no English. Yes, if you can speak Thai, it will be more difficult for you to pick out the ones who can't speak English. I can speak Indonesian, and in Indonesia when guys ask me if a girl speaks English or not, I have no idea, because I speak to the girls in Indonesian.
With four notches on my belt in a little under 24 hours I slept most of the day Thursday to prepare for the evening. A trip to Thermae.
I had never been but had read a lot about it, so I was kind of prepared. I made my way around the room and finally walked up to the hottest Japanese girl in the room. "Hi? I meekly sputtered and she just looked away. Next hottest, same response. Three standing together, all cute and neatly dressed, I said "Hi?" to the first one and she turned to second and started to laugh. I looked at the second, "No? They continued to giggle and the third turned completely around before I even could ask. Ha ha. 0 for 5.
Finally I see a thin spinner who looks a bit Japanese, and I say, "Hi?" She actually looks at me, puzzled. I say again, "Hi?" And she says, "Ok? Hi?" Instantaneously I think, do you know why you're here? But I play it cool and work it out with her, though the whole time she acts like being with me is the last place on earth she wants to be. To make matters worse, we get outside and I ask, where are you from, and she says, "Bangkok!
Not quite Japanese.
In the taxi she lightens up a bit, but I can tell this is going to be a bit of a chore. One bonus is she has an amazing pair of real breasts that aren't up in her chest but rather slope outward and then hang defiantly and she's OK with the idea of me playing with them. NO to BBBJ (can I not learn to make these arrangements ahead of time?) and an indifferent reaction to DATY (sorta defeats the purpose), though the light ruffle of hair on her mons Venus is actually a turn on for a girl her age (at the most early 20's probably).
Intercourse is the best part of it, as again I have chosen a girl with a rather unusually small vagina, but overall I'd say, it's a girl I wouldn't repeat with. I don't remember her name, but despite her looks (Japanese-ish looking Thai with blonde hair, skinny but with nice natural boobs) her attitude would probably scare off most veterans of the game, though most of it is, she's just sort of shy / awkward. It cost me 3000 baht.
After that I went to Crazy House which was finally back open and. Why would I go anywhere else? I know 'back in the day'. I wish I could have experienced it, but for now, in my opinion there are plenty of hot girls here. And they're all butt naked, which makes them so much better to look at! As I'm looking for a specific type (skinny, youngish, smaller real boobs, a little darker, and looks like she just took her first college exam) a girl gets right up in my face, who is a little thicker than skinny (well proportioned), older than youngish, with fake boobs, a little lighter, and looks like she's ready for her first shot of tequila for the night.
"I like you" she grins from ear to ear and then starts making out with me. I'm actually kind of taken aback by this, and immediately on guard, but she's having so much fun and. Wait, did I say 'having fun?' You bet I did. And we do. And I can't help but after a couple of shots of tequila say, "Let's go!
Well. As far as fun, the sex, the whole act of at least acting like she's enjoying it (I was sold) and the time spent with her. She's a 10. And gosh darn it, it wasn't what I was thinking I was looking for, but it turns out she was exactly what I was looking for. I want to see her again. She says, "We can meet before work, maybe go drink somewhere, get to know each other!
And so it begins.
Yup she was a waitress and would only go out if she liked the guy, as I had seen here 2-3 days refusing to go, till last day I drew the courage to take her, she was really nice and stayed in bed till 12 pm next day. Loved the hotel which was fine by me. Eu with colored contacts is how I remember her. Slim. Med-small on top.
Had told me she works at suzie but when her " boss " tells her she goes of with 2-3 girls to Japan and malaysia.
Mamasan dtai I take works at suzie, won't be able to ask her I guess.
I just read your FR about how often you visited sw, I visited last month and she's gone, and I should have asked the mamasan where.
Thanks.
Girls were in 3 categories: Dancers, waitresses, and mamasans, so I guess Ehw would be a waitress (hostess). I recall one or two very nice girls in this category. However someone would need to ask LB mamasan Dtai what happened to her. You need to collect contact info for all important girls. Even then the contact info suddenly stops working regularly.
Member #4591
05-14-17, 20:48
With four notches on my belt in a little under 24 hours I slept most of the day Thursday to prepare for the evening. A trip to Thermae.
I had never been but had read a lot about it, so I was kind of prepared. I made my way around the room and finally walked up to the hottest Japanese girl in the room. "Hi? I meekly sputtered and she just looked away. Next hottest, same response. Three standing together, all cute and neatly dressed, I said "Hi?" to the first one and she turned to second and started to laugh. I looked at the second, "No? They continued to giggle and the third turned completely around before I even could ask. Ha ha. 0 for 5.
Finally I see a thin spinner who looks a bit Japanese, and I say, "Hi?" She actually looks at me, puzzled. I say again, "Hi?" And she says, "Ok? Hi?" Instantaneously I think, do you know why you're here? But I play it cool and work it out with her, though the whole time she acts like being with me is the last place on earth she wants to be. To make matters worse, we get outside and I ask, where are you from, and she says, "Bangkok!
Not quite Japanese.
In the taxi she lightens up a bit, but I can tell this is going to be a bit of a chore. One bonus is she has an amazing pair of real breasts that aren't up in her chest but rather slope outward and then hang defiantly and she's OK with the idea of me playing with them. NO to BBBJ (can I not learn to make these arrangements ahead of time?) and an indifferent reaction to DATY (sorta defeats the purpose), though the light ruffle of hair on her mons Venus is actually a turn on for a girl her age (at the most early 20's probably).
Intercourse is the best part of it, as again I have chosen a girl with a rather unusually small vagina, but overall I'd say, it's a girl I wouldn't repeat with. I don't remember her name, but despite her looks (Japanese-ish looking Thai with blonde hair, skinny but with nice natural boobs) her attitude would probably scare off most veterans of the game, though most of it is, she's just sort of shy / awkward. It cost me 3000 baht.
After that I went to Crazy House which was finally back open and. Why would I go anywhere else? I know 'back in the day'. I wish I could have experienced it, but for now, in my opinion there are plenty of hot girls here. And they're all butt naked, which makes them so much better to look at! As I'm looking for a specific type (skinny, youngish, smaller real boobs, a little darker, and looks like she just took her first college exam) a girl gets right up in my face, who is a little thicker than skinny (well proportioned), older than youngish, with fake boobs, a little lighter, and looks like she's ready for her first shot of tequila for the night.
"I like you" she grins from ear to ear and then starts making out with me. I'm actually kind of taken aback by this, and immediately on guard, but she's having so much fun and. Wait, did I say 'having fun?' You bet I did. And we do. And I can't help but after a couple of shots of tequila say, "Let's go!
Well. As far as fun, the sex, the whole act of at least acting like she's enjoying it (I was sold) and the time spent with her. She's a 10. And gosh darn it, it wasn't what I was thinking I was looking for, but it turns out she was exactly what I was looking for. I want to see her again. She says, "We can meet before work, maybe go drink somewhere, get to know each other!
And so it begins.There are no Japanese girls in Thermae let alone Bangkok that are working in the bars. Where on earth did you get that idea. Actually, the girls in Thermae prefer Japanese customers so it's the other way around. Are you sure you read the forum? I think not.
Banana Boi
05-14-17, 21:28
There are no Japanese girls in Thermae let alone Bangkok that are working in the bars. Where on earth did you get that idea. Actually, the girls in Thermae prefer Japanese customers so it's the other way around. Are you sure you read the forum? I think not.If there were Japanese girls at Thermae I would move to Bangkok in a heartbeat.
I think the poster misidentified some Thai girls in Thermae who try to look Japanese by taking on their hair styles, dress etc. In order to attract the Japanese guys. Obviously confused.
If there were Japanese girls at Thermae I would move to Bangkok in a heartbeat.
Are they still wearing black and white clothes in Bangkok after the King's death, or have they gone back to wearing clothes with colors?
After that I went to Crazy House which was finally back open and. Why would I go anywhere else? I know 'back in the day'. I wish I could have experienced it, but for now, in my opinion there are plenty of hot girls here. And they're all butt naked, which makes them so much better to look at! As I'm looking for a specific type (skinny, youngish, smaller real boobs, a little darker, and looks like she just took her first college exam) a girl gets right up in my face, who is a little thicker than skinny (well proportioned), older than youngish, with fake boobs, a little lighter, and looks like she's ready for her first shot of tequila for the night.
"I like you" she grins from ear to ear and then starts making out with me. I'm actually kind of taken aback by this, and immediately on guard, but she's having so much fun and. Wait, did I say 'having fun?' You bet I did. And we do. And I can't help but after a couple of shots of tequila say, "Let's go!
Well. As far as fun, the sex, the whole act of at least acting like she's enjoying it (I was sold) and the time spent with her. She's a 10. And gosh darn it, it wasn't what I was thinking I was looking for, but it turns out she was exactly what I was looking for. I want to see her again. She says, "We can meet before work, maybe go drink somewhere, get to know each other!
And so it begins.She obviously was not a 10 for looks, but one of the raunchy pushy ones. You let the girl choose you, and failed to escape. LOL So I approve of your girl spec, but you got something quite different, that was not your spec. You are noted as an easy mark now. Most girls know that I am unapproachable. LOL.
Okay I know new guys get overwhelmed with lust, so as long as you enjoyed it, fine.
"Back in the day" there was less surgeries, girls had pussy hair, they were more reliable on the bed, they cost a lot less, and they ate less western junk food. So if these things are not major issues to you, then it can be pretty good now. Numbers of bargirls smoking has actually declined, I think.
Are they still wearing black and white clothes in Bangkok after the King's death, or have they gone back to wearing clothes with colors?That lasted 1 week for some, and 1 month for others. It is noted that high colour has gone completely out of fashion though. So there is still a very high percentage of people on BTS and shopping in sombre tones, of black, white, and grey. Those wearing a colour tend to have just the plain one colour for entire shirt. Where people used to be big on red, yellow, and pink shirts, hardly see these any more. I have some colourful shirts (not Hawaiian) so I must look a bit strange on occasion.
Many people wore Hawaiian shirts at Songkran, both Thais and tourists.
Grandaddy Perp
05-15-17, 08:17
Are they still wearing black and white clothes in Bangkok after the King's death, or have they gone back to wearing clothes with colors?Yes. Overwhelming majority of Bangkokians are wearing black and white but a recent royal decree as asked for people to now wear white. Foreigners are given a reprieve though.
"I like you" she grins from ear to ear and then starts making out with me. I'm actually kind of taken aback by this, and immediately on guard, but she's having so much fun and. Wait, did I say 'having fun?' You bet I did. And we do. And I can't help but after a couple of shots of tequila say, "Let's go!
Well. As far as fun, the sex, the whole act of at least acting like she's enjoying it (I was sold) and the time spent with her. She's a 10. And gosh darn it, it wasn't what I was thinking I was looking for, but it turns out she was exactly what I was looking for. I want to see her again. She says, "We can meet before work, maybe go drink somewhere, get to know each other!
And so it begins.She wants to secure you as a customer for ladydrinks the next night and BF. The mamasan probably spotted you without you noticing, sized you up very fast (they are damn good at this), and arranged for your future bedside compansion to provide you with high energetic entertainment.
She wants you to meet up for "drinks" because you are a good customer and she wants you to return, not go to another bar. Also, I think the keyword is "maybe" as in "maybe we go somewhere", but probably just go to CH instead since she has to work.
If you like it, do it. That's always been the best rule about p4 p in my opinion. Get your moneys worth by doing what *you want. * But keep in mind, there is plenty to explore in the redlight districts if you are new. I would explore and keep this girl around if she only really does want to meet-up for drinks and it isn't near her working schedule. Doesn't hurt to have a girl or 2 on stand-by and it avoids the awkwardness of declining her in person if you feel that she is just trying to string you along for drinks. Better to do that ahead of time and see how she likes the idea of meeting up earlier in the day. If she can't do that, she almost certainly will be just luring you in her bar with a big tab.
Is a gogo dancer usually about 3 k BF + 3 k LT? In BK and PATTAY? Currently budgeting for 36 k for 6 days money for girls.
Member #4591
05-15-17, 13:27
Is a gogo dancer usually about 3 k BF + 3 k LT? In BK and PATTAY? Currently budgeting for 36 k for 6 days money for girls.Have you read the forum at all? Typically bar fine is 700-1000 Baht and LT is generally 3,000 and up. This is only for Gogos though. Beer bars, LK Metro, amd freelancers have no bar fine and their rates are always a little cheaper. Bar fined over 1,000 are generally reserved for high class places.
Banana Boi
05-15-17, 14:08
Gogo bars BF are a bit higher in Pattaya than BKK, generally ranging from 800 to 1500 BF. Some clubs have hit 2000 BF. All clubs with BF over 1000 drop there BF to 1000 after midnight. There may be the odd exception as I don't know the exact current BF rates of every Pattaya gogo club.
Beer bar BF are generally 300-350 baht.
ST and LT rates depend greatly on how much the girls believe they can extract from you. My prices are lower than what a "Weekend Millionaire" pays. I assume the same applies to BKKdog and Mr. E as well.
Gogo bars BF are a bit higher in Pattaya than BKK, generally ranging from 800 to 1500 BF. Some clubs have hit 2000 BF. All clubs with BF over 1000 drop there BF to 1000 after midnight. There may be the odd exception as I don't know the exact current BF rates of every Pattaya gogo club.
Beer bar BF are generally 300-350 baht.
ST and LT rates depend greatly on how much the girls believe they can extract from you. My prices are lower than what a "Weekend Millionaire" pays. I assume the same applies to BKKdog and Mr. E as well.What are the BFs are Soi Cowboy?
Have you read the forum at all? Typically bar fine is 700-1000 Baht and LT is generally 3,000 and up. This is only for Gogos though. Beer bars, LK Metro, amd freelancers have no bar fine and their rates are always a little cheaper. Bar fined over 1,000 are generally reserved for high class places.Not much discussion on prices the posts use inside knowledge which I don't have.
Are they still wearing black and white clothes in Bangkok after the King's death, or have they gone back to wearing clothes with colors?You can wear whatever you want as long as it's not offensive. But around this time of year I advise shorts and thin tops to be comfortable. Most young tourists travel light and cycle through the same 3-4 outfits or buy the generic 3 for 500 baht t-shirts off the bargain rack.
What are the BFs are Soi Cowboy?Considering you took a Coyote girl in the past and supposedly paid 3000 baht for her bar fine, I can understand why you would ask.
Normal Soi Cowboy BF is 700 baht. If you take a coyote, all bets are off. They will normally ask 1500 for BF and want more for ST and LT than the other girls, but they could ask any amount. Some coyotes won't go home with you at all. I don't even mess with the coyotes. I won't even buy them a drink. I'd prefer they weren't there at all.
If you want anal, go to Eden Club, not soi cowboy. The Eden Club girls are well trained and up for anything including anal, lesbian, strap-ONS and outfits. But the girls at Eden club are not young for the most part.
At Soi Cowboy, after paying the bar fine, fees for the girls for short time and long time are different depending on the bar. For example, if you go to Baccara or Crazy House, the girls will be more expensive than if you go to Tilac, Rawhide, Long Gun, etc. You just have to try the bars and find a girl you like then negotiate price. I have never paid more than 3000 for short time and that girl was an absolute stunner. Average short time these days is 2000 to 2500 baht. Long time, I have no idea because I have zero interest in taking any of these girls long time. I work in the morning and want them to leave my room 5 minutes after I cum.
Since you like Germany, you may want to try a bar on soi 33 that has girls doing S&M shows. I think it's called Demonia or something like that. There are some very nice girls on soi 33, but they are more expensive than soi cowboy.
Average short time these days is 2000 to 2500 baht. Long time, I have no idea because I have zero interest in taking any of these girls long time.It seems like 3000 is becoming more common. Have seen this magic number come up many times at the busier / popular places (Shark in SC, Billboard in Nana). As for Pattaya, same for popular places like skyfall. Any place with lot's of mamasans wants 3000ST.
But the smaller places with no or few mamasans (mercury in nana) can easily get 2000-2500. Also the young / cute / taller ones always want 3000 but the middle-of-the-road girls (at the busier places) can do 2000-2500. However, I think the talent (service AND looks) tends to be at the busier places so you do get more value on the premium if you pay more. It's all a business / market afterall.
Some coyotes won't go home with you at all. I don't even mess with the coyotes. I won't even buy them a drink. I'd prefer they weren't there at all.
Since you like Germany, you may want to try a bar on soi 33 that has girls doing S&M shows. I think it's called Demonia or something like that. There are some very nice girls on soi 33, but they are more expensive than soi cowboy.Coyotes used to be not barfinable or not available for sex. It's all changing. All these agency girls are coming to work in the bars especially Nana and they are designated as Coyotes. All girls in Billboard are Coyotes except for those in the bath suds I think.
Half the time Coyote label is just an excuse to charge more for barfines. Many do not know how to dance Coyote style and don't even have the normal Coyote outfit. The normal outfit has cut off jean shorts or similar very short shorts exposing some ass cheek, and up top a double layer bra possibly with padding and extreme push up. The idea is that you don't know that a high proportion of Coyotes in Nana have no tits to speak of, and possibly the same in Cowboy. Coyotes are spreading there badly, including Lighthouse, Doll House etc. Thankfully none in Crazy House because it's the nudie house.
Asking the staff at Twisters, which girls were Coyotes, got confusing and conflicting answers. The waitresses clearly don't know. I think the bottom line is at any bar where the BF is 1000 or higher, then the girl is designated as a Coyote, no matter how dressed, as long as not topless or nude or exposing pussy. Coyotes are above that sort of thing, which is why we have to be wary of them. However bras can be pulled aside to check out the tits a bit and see how much is just padding.
Liking Germany (for mongering) has zero to do with S&M, or perhaps the reason for mentioning that is located further back, and I did not pay attention.
I have certainly done a few of the Coyotes with cheaper barfines, like 1000 or so. Anna at Mercury was a girl I had fucked before, and girls at Billboard, Twisters, and recently Doll House were designated as Coyotes I think but it meant very little in practice, other than tits were very well covered before peeking in some cases. They all had smallish tits because I avoid sillies.
Member #4591
05-15-17, 18:18
Not much discussion on prices the posts use inside knowledge which I don't have.Wrong. The Thailand forum is notorious for discussions on price. You did not search or read.
Banana Boi
05-15-17, 19:18
The Thailand forum is notorious for discussions on price. So much so I think we need a separate thread for Cheap Charlie's named "Bangkok and Pattaya budget reviews". Guys can post all their "living in the past" and "good old days" comments as well as finding FL's for under 800 baht.
I think the poster misidentified some Thai girls in Thermae who try to look Japanese by taking on their hair styles, dress etc. In order to attract the Japanese guys. Obviously confused.I did. Apologies if I got anyone's hopes up, LOL.
Clearly I haven't read and memorized every post in the thread, or I would have known better!
It is nice they at least try to look Japanese.
Wrong. The Thailand forum is notorious for discussions on price. You did not search or read.The last review with price listed at expensive gogo is how many pages back?
It seems like 3000 is becoming more common. I may be mistaken, but I think back in 1999, drinks were the same price as they are now. However, the price of girls has tripled.
Member #4698
05-16-17, 00:48
I may be mistaken, but I think back in 1999, drinks were the same price as they are now. However, the price of girls has tripled.So if in 1999 go go girls got 1000 bt for ST and in 2017 go go girls get 3000 bt for ST then by my calculations that would make it a 6.29 % annual rate of inflation in go go girly prices over 18 years. And if instead we assume in 2017 go go girls get 2500 bt for ST, then that would make it a 5.22 % annual rate of inflation in go go girly prices.
Anyway you slice it, its not good because the go go girly rate increases far exceed the annual rate of inflation and wage increases in the developed countries where most foreign punters travel from to LOS for a little hanky panky as well as Thailand itself which averaged 2% annual rate of inflation despite a few peaks and troughs and very tame recent rate of inflation over the same 18 year time period. BUT actually it's not the end of the world economically speaking. I have seen far larger increases in goods and services in my time in America back in the '70s and 80's, which explains why the aggregate demand for Thai pussy has not fallen off, YET!
Assuming the 6.29 rate of go go wage inflation will continue into the future; 4000bt will be the asking price in 4.75 years (early 2022) and 5000 bt will be the asking price in 8.5 years or by January 1, 2026. Now assuming that the 5.22% rate of go go girl wage inflation will continue into the future; 4000 bt will be the asking price in 6 years (2023) and 5000 bt will be the asking price in 10 years (2027). So better make a lot of money gents, start shopping for SW's, or settle down with your one or two special girls LOL. Hey, what was the price of Soi 4 SW's in 1999?
So if in 1999 go go girls got 1000 bt for ST and in 2017 go go girls get 3000 bt for ST then by my calculations that would make it a 6.29 % annual rate of inflation in go go girly prices over 18 years. And if instead we assume in 2017 go go girls get 2500 bt for ST, then that would make it a 5.22 % annual rate of inflation in go go girly prices.
Anyway you slice it, its not good because the go go girly rate increases far exceed the annual rate of inflation and wage increases in the developed countries where most foreign punters travel from to LOS for a little hanky panky as well as Thailand itself which averaged 2% annual rate of inflation despite a few peaks and troughs and very tame recent rate of inflation over the same 18 year time period. BUT actually it's not the end of the world economically speaking. I have seen far larger increases in goods and services in my time in America back in the '70s and 80's, which explains why the aggregate demand for Thai pussy has not fallen off, YET!
Assuming the 6.29 rate of go go wage inflation will continue into the future; 4000bt will be the asking price in 4.75 years (early 2022) and 5000 bt will be the asking price in 8.5 years or by January 1, 2026. Now assuming that the 5.22% rate of go go girl wage inflation will continue into the future; 4000 bt will be the asking price in 6 years (2023) and 5000 bt will be the asking price in 10 years (2027). So better make a lot of money gents, start shopping for SW's, or settle down with your one or two special girls LOL. Hey, what was the price of Soi 4 SW's in 1999?In '99 I paid 500 Baht for SW, 1 k ST 1. 5 K LT for GoGo gals, and 1 K for Thermae gals. Pattaya paid 500 Baht for Soi 6 gals and 1 k ST 1. 5 K LT for GoGo gals. FL in Pattaya between 500 and 1 k.
My point exactly, the rate for gals has far exceeded the inflation rate here, and you are not getting more bang for your buck. In most cases it is less. FL prices have increased at reasonable rate. GoGo prices have not. BFs in the late 90's were 400 in Cowboy and 500 in Nana. Also drinks were sub 100 Baht. And remember, you received 40 plus Baht per USD. BF. ST, and a couple of drinks would not even be 50 USD. Now you are hard pressed to get that under 125 USD.
But blame the punters not the gals. If there are dudes willing to pay that for 15-30 min of action; good on the gal for being able to get it. But it has completely ruined the GoGo scene for a vast majority of the guys I know.
I may be mistaken, but I think back in 1999, drinks were the same price as they are now. However, the price of girls has tripled.Drinks were far cheaper. Most places in Cowboy were sub 100 Baht. Nana was 100 Baht. That was less that 2 USD in the case of Cowboy.
So much so I think we need a separate thread for Cheap Charlie's named "Bangkok and Pattaya budget reviews". Guys can post all their "living in the past" and "good old days" comments as well as finding FL's for under 800 baht.As I have stated many times; I would have no problem paying current prices if looks and performance were reflected in price. But to pay three times the amount one used to pay for subpar service is ridiculous.
Planning another visit so checked out ISG Thailand to see what's going on. I must have spent the guts of an hour getting up to date. Sad to say the Thai forum has become a platform for certain members to incessantly talk about themselves, what they like what they dislike how they spend their evenings yadda yadda yadda. Don't they have friends to chat with?. It's not to say they don't now and then have something useful to contribute but mostly it's just too many self-indulgent and irrelevant posts at least for a simple lad like myself who is just interested in the who, where, what and how much. I know I get it what is this post contributing? Nothing, but it's just the one not thousands. So anyway two of my favorites are gone Nataree and Tandy massage. Anybody know where the girls who worked at Nataree went. I guess all over the place but sometimes a large chunk might have transferred to a particular outfit. Looking forward to Crazy Horse and some individual providers with good reviews.
Robert Long
05-16-17, 02:23
You can wear whatever you want as long as it's not offensive. But around this time of year I advise shorts and thin tops to be comfortable. Most young tourists travel light and cycle through the same 3-4 outfits or buy the generic 3 for 500 baht t-shirts off the bargain rack.He was asking about the locals. And yes they are still in morning until after the cremation. Then they can return to their colorful lifestyles.
RL.
As I have stated many times; I would have no problem paying current prices if looks and performance were reflected in price. But to pay three times the amount one used to pay for subpar service is ridiculous.I used to have a full head of dark black hair a six pack. Times change. Best move on and not live in the past.
Robert Long
05-16-17, 02:32
Planning another visit so checked out ISG Thailand to see what's going on. I must have spent the guts of an hour getting up to date. Sad to say the Thai forum has become a platform for certain members to incessantly talk about themselves, what they like what they dislike how they spend their evenings yadda yadda yadda. Don't they have friends to chat with?. It's not to say they don't now and then have something useful to contribute but mostly it's just too many self-indulgent and irrelevant posts at least for a simple lad like myself who is just interested in the who, where, what and how much. I know I get it what is this post contributing? Nothing, but it's just the one not thousands. So anyway two of my favorites are gone Nataree and Tandy massage. Anybody know where the girls who worked at Nataree went. I guess all over the place but sometimes a large chunk might have transferred to a particular outfit. Looking forward to Crazy Horse and some individual providers with good reviews.The seniors you are referring too are well experienced and share there knowledge freely. I respect their contributions and input on Bkk and its constantly changing venue. They have a unique way of keeping up with the status of the quality of where the best ladies are and the prices of each menu.
Only an hour of reading this forum is hardly enough. But give respect where it is due and you will find it will come back to you. Karma. Have a good stay in Bkk.
RL.
I have a request. If it is okay by other members can we limit discussion to the current decade? Preferably the current year. I understand some members make valuable contributions and I do respect that but I question the value of knowing 1999 prices. Thanks.
Member #4591
05-16-17, 02:50
The last review with price listed at expensive gogo is how many pages back?So what you are saying is you want the seniors from Thailand to hold your hand and baby you because you are too lazy to read the forum. Or maybe you want Jackson to again waste his time adding another section to the already congested Thailand forum.
Member #4591
05-16-17, 02:53
I have a request. If it is okay by other members can we limit discussion to the current decade? Preferably the current year. I understand some members make valuable contributions and I do respect that but I question the value of knowing 1999 prices. Thanks.Now you are starting to pissssss me off. You come to our section asking for help and then you complain about the very discussion you initiated because it does not go in the direction you hoped. Dude, biting the hand that feeds you is not the way to garner respect.
So what you are saying is you want the seniors from Thailand to hold your hand and baby you because you are too lazy to read the forum. Or maybe you want Jackson to again waste his time adding another section to the already congested Thailand forum.Yes. Too much effort. I feel bad saying all of this but you attacked me not the other way around. I simply asked a question. Usually it's okay to ask just takes one post to ask and one post to answer. Appreciate the quality responses I received from the regular quality posters.
Now you are starting to pissssss me off. You come to our section asking for help and then you complain about the very discussion you initiated because it does not go in the direction you hoped. Dude, biting the hand that feeds you is not the way to garner respect.LOL I won't fight with you. Happy hunting.
Member #4591
05-16-17, 03:03
Yes. Too much effort. I feel bad saying all of this but you attacked me not the other way around. I simply asked a question. Usually it's okay to ask just takes one post to ask and one post to answer. Appreciate the quality responses I received from the regular quality posters.I will go one step further. You asked a question and got answers but then you complained about some of the answers and discussions that developed because of your question. I have just gone through your 199 posts very quickly. I scrolled back through 10 pages and could not find one single field report. All your 199 posts are just you commenting but mostly asking questions in different country threads.
Post a freakin field report. Location, atmosphere, price, ladies number, attitude, good and bad experiences. I'll give you an example of a field report. You can take notes if you wish.
For hotels, stay at the Sunnee Grand hotel and convention centre or V hotel.
Hostess and Kareoke bars:
There are both karaoke bars and hostess bars with girls even more attractive than those in the massage parlors. What is the difference? Well, it's simple. If you take The View in northern Ubon, that would be a typical hostess bar, with plenty of girls that will sit with you as long as you buy them drinks. A similar joint is Alive, located in downtown. Things are obviously a little different at Starlight Karaoke, where you would pay 200 Baht per hour for the rent of a private karaoke room plus 200 Baht per hour for one of their super hot and white skinned girls plus drinks (Beer 150-180 Baht, Red Label 1,900 Baht). My personal recommendation through is the brand new Sherbet, a mix of hostess bar and karaoke means you can first hang out with the girls downstairs which looks like an ordinary bar with live music and then later on (if you feel like) sing songs on the second floor.
I had a great time at the place. The owner is from Bangkok and speaks perfect English. I hung out with a beautiful white skinned girl and back to my room for 2,000 LT.
Bars:
Tawan Daeng.
Tawan Daeng UbonTawan Daeng is an institution all over Isaan and northern Thailand, pretty much every province capital has its own branch of this hugely popular franchise. It's the perfect place to bring your girlfriend, enjoy some dinner and watch the show on the huge stage with Isaan style Molam Music. Very nice and attentive staff and unlike some other branches like in Buriram, the Tawan Daeng Ubon starts getting busy pretty much every single night from 10 pm onwards.
I checked this place out for about an hour but mostly couples and big groups of guys and gals together. Not easy to approach.
Country Club.
Night Club in Ubon RatchathaniThe most popular night club in Ubon Ratchathani. And if you want to hit on some local girls, then this is the place to do it as, unlike most other Thai style night clubs, the tables are very close to each other and people walk and look around a lot to meet and greet new people. No cover charge in Country, like in all other clubs in town, so you can just have a look if you like it. Beware of (or look out for) the ladyboys who typically like to hang out right in front of the stage but aren't too shy (unlike the girls) to come over to your table and say Hi.
I had some good luck here with a local university girl out with her friend one night. We drank and partied all night and back to my hotel. This was a freebie for me, I just took care of the bill at the bar for the two ladies and lunch the following day with my lady.
You-Bar.
You Bar UbonI was surprised when I found out they have you-Bar in Ubon, since the club of the same name is the most popular club in Khon Kaen. It obviously has the same owner here, but it's significantly smaller and the best days to party here are really Fridays and Saturdays. On weekdays, it tends to stay half empty and then the whole atmosphere is somewhat dull. Still, you-Bar is one of the best night clubs in Ubon and it's also the newest and most modern one with the coolest design, thus attracting the Hi-So Thais of the province.
This place reminds me of Mixx in Bangkok but with less freelancers. You need your A game here and I was able to get many phone numbers but I did not have the time to follow up since I was leaving the next day. If I was a local expat there, this would be my first choice to meet ladies for potential GF.
There are a few more night clubs in Ubon Ratchathani, such as Warp Club, the-WA, Fuse Pub and Shark.
Soapy Massage Parlors in Ubon Ratchathani:
There are three soapy massage parlors in Ubon. They all have the typical fishbowl arrangement, however, there's no glass and you can invite a girl to have a drink with you before you decide on whether to go for the full program.
Amati.
Soapy Massage Parlor in Ubon RatchathaniThe best massage parlor in town. The location is quite typical for that type of place, very central but still somewhat hidden in a narrow alley connecting Uppalisan Road and Suriyat Alley. You can't miss it with the huge posters of girls in bikinis on the wall of the building. Upon entry to Amati, one of the polite papasans will sit down next to you on a sofa and make useful recommendations of the girls. They are divided into three categories, depending on age and attractiveness: 1,500 Baht / 1,800 Baht / 2,000 Baht. You may, if you want, arrange a tip with your girl of like 500 Baht for the second round and then follow her into the modern and friendly room that has a big bed, TV and a super nice and big whirlpool.
Palace.
Palace Massage Parlor UbonBright red light is illuminating the entrance to Palace Aap Nuat in the otherwise relatively quiet Phalochai Road. While the place as such has definitely seen better times, the same cannot be said of the massage girls most of whom are attractive and light skinned. Two categories and prices at Palace: 1,400 Baht and 1,700 Baht. The atmosphere with the narrow lobby and small and old rooms isn't that great at all, but if you pick the right girl it can still be very enjoyable. Oh, and they have Japanese porn running nonstop in the rooms and even better: mirrors on the walls.
I didn't try these places due to time restrictions so I will give them all a shot this next trip.
Long Beach.
Long Beach UbonLocated right behind the Pathumrat Hotel, Long Beach is the third massage parlor in Ubon Ratchathani. It has the biggest fishbowl of the three, but strange the selection is the worst. The four different prices at Long Beach are 1,000 Baht, 1,400 Baht, 1,700 Baht and 1,900 Baht.
Happy Ending Massage in Ubon Ratchathani:
Z-Through Spa where they tell you right upon entry that it's 699 Baht for an aroma massage plus 500 Baht for a hand job plus 500 Baht for body to body treatment.
Not my cup of tea but you might find a diamond in the ruff there.
I will be there again Jan 12-14 and will update on all of these again.
Started off eating with a Thai buddy of mine at The Old Dutch Mill. It's at the corner end of Soi Cowboy on the Suk Soi 23 end around the corner from CH. As we were eating, we could see all the ladies coming in to work. We were keeping track and guessing how many of them would go into Baccara. About 80% looked extremely hot and most were entering Baccara. After eating we did a couple of laps on Soi Cowboy checking out the girls standing out front.
Our first stop was CH. Big mistake because my Thai friend was denied entrance. We then headed into Baccara. The ground floor was packed with Japamwse guys and there were so many girls on stage, it was difficult for them to dance so all they could do was stand there and wiggle their hips a little. There were two groups and the econd group was mixed in with the crowd of customers, so many ladies. We decided to go upstairs where the girls are all in Thai school girl uniforms and topless with no panties. I personally love the upstairs much better, the girls are better looking and nautier IMO. Howeever, it just wasn't much fun though for some reason. The vibe was just not good so we left after our first beer amd headed over to Cowboy 2.
Cowboy 2 is just full of hot ladies but about 50% aren't barfinable. Anyways in here we had a great time. The tables around the outside of the bar and stage have a separate pole and dancing area for a lady to entertain the guests. There was a group of 3 ladies with darker skin with average faces that managed to swindle some drinks from us. One slightly heavier but sexy girl insisted on dancing for us. She was quite good and I enjoyed teasing her with 100 Baht notes and sticking them into her panties while sometimes pulling them all the way down. I then took a tour around the bar and found us a couple of real nice white skinned beauties to join us. We played with them for a while and one of the other three didn't get the hint so continued to stay and tried for more drinks. Anyways if you want a nice laid back bar to drink amd flirt with the ladies, this is it. It's more like a G club in the way that it's not guaranteed the lady will leave with you. Completely the ladies choice but the bar still has bar fine rules. 2,500 before midnight and 1,000 after midnight. Where a G club has no bar fine. After we left my Thai friend went home so I headed back over to CH. I wanted to see what I was missing.
In the past I have been into CH and was not impresssd. In fact, during my 6 years in Bangkok, I have only bar fined 2 or 3 ladies from there. I always found the staff very rude and trying to rip me off by padding the bill. This time the doorman saw me and insisted I pay for a drink at the door before going in. This was the first time this ever hapenned to me. Normally, for the principal of the matter I wouldn't do it but I really wanted to check out the action so I complied. Upon entering, I couldn't believe my eyes. The stage was full of completely naked ladies and about 80% were above a 7. The upstairs which is normally shut down was on fire amd packed with ladies and customers. To say the least, it didn't take me long to find someone. Back downstairs I walked around the stage once and spotted this spinner with the most amazing rear end. She was just perfect with natural be cups to match. Her skin was darker than I normally like but her ass and body were so amazing, I couldn't help myself. I wasn't going to waste anytime so I called her down. I bought 5 shots for her right away. Interestingly enough, she could only finish 4 of them so I offered to drink one and we had a good cheers. Then something strange happened. 2 servers and 2 Moma sons came over and there was a big long discussion with them and my lady. It turns out that customers aren't aloud to drink a LD that was bought for the lady. They took one of her drink chits back so she wouldn't get paid for it. Unless the dequila is fake, I don't see the need for this rule. It tasted real amd strong enough for me. This time I was on the side of the lady amd protested but to no avail, they took her chit. In the past it was some of the ladies who tried to rip me off by agreeing to be bar fined and then after getting their drinks, changing their minds or trying to order drinks without me knowing. This is why I don't normally like CH because there is always drama. Anyways after this, I paid the 700 Baht bar fine and my bill. I had 2 Moma sons and 2 servers around begging for tips. Always this drama, but this time the girls were so hot so I sucked it up and pushed forward.
Her name is Noi and she also goes by Minth, she is no. 21. From what I hear, the numbers often change so her number may be different at a later time. Anyways, I just signed up for my 2nd ST and ST room encounter in the last 6 years. I used to always insist on LT but I would like to stop takimg ladies back to my condo for privacy reasons. She asked for 3,000 and I agreed. I could have paid 2,500 but I didn't care to negotiate over 500 Baht with this hottie. We headed over to the ST room hand in hand at the opposite end of Soi Cowboy. The cost of the room was 350 Baht and decent quality and clean. What I liked about this girl first off is she is under 25 but she was in no rush. This felt like an extended ST. We talked for about 45 minutes pre shower on the bed and then another 30 minutes after the shower naked on the bed. Then started cuddling and making out. Her body was just so amazing, I spent a good 30 minutes exploring every inch with my hands and then my tongue on her pussy. She loved it and was wiggling around making sexy noises. I couldn't resist anymore and moved into position to start the main event. Whoops, in the heat of the moment we had both forgot about the condom. After a little action without, she decided it was best to get one so she stuck her head out the door of the room and the staff passed her a condom. The blissful Action then continued in mish, then cowgirl, with the main event in doggy. Man I did not last long in doggy, her ass was so amazing. One of my top 10! After we showered up, exchanged line and phone numbers amd I was off. A good 3 hour ST experience and well worth the 3,000 plus 500 Tip.
Body- 10.
Face -8.
Atitude-10.
Service-10 GFE.
Repeat- Yes but not in CH. Will meet up through Line.
All in all, I don't really like CH. The bottom floor is always crowded, the staff are rude and pushy, and they always try to rip you off and beg for tips. However, if you can overlook this, on some occasions like Friday night, they have the best line up in the city on the stage completely naked for you to choose.
Tonight tried to get a motorcycle from Sukhumvit to Ratchada Soi 7. Distance is 4. 3 km. Rider wanted 120 Baht. I offered 80. He was not interested. I took the MRT. Much cheaper.
Called into The Lord. They were pretty busy. 40 girls on show perhaps, maybe a bit less. I am told they have 100 girls each night so others had to be busy. Price categories for Farang are R 4800, O 5300, M 5800, K , L, XL and XX, Did not see any above a K, so they were either upstairs or busy. 90 minutes session. Never found any girl quite as stunning as K35 I spotted first visit a few weeks ago.
After looking quite some time, picked an M level girl, Maybe was M36? Name was Jaeng from Chiang Rai. Very white skin (not the reason), all natural looking (a reason) and cute nose. 25 YO no babies. I believe The Lord does not accept any girls with babies or tram tracks on belly etc. Tats are accepted but my girl had none and no piercings. Face was an 8, not quite stunning, figure a 7 (slightly disappointing when clothes were off), Tits Acup naturals firm. Ass so so.
Supposedly the service was guaranteed to be super here. She was playful in the bath and liked to make naughty jokes. BBBJ in the bath scores a 6.
There was virtually no kissing beyond a peck so she cannot qualify for GFE at all. She seemed extremely sensitive and either orgasmed from DATY in fairly short time or faked it. She did not tolerate doggy very well, but O.K. in other positions with legs a little on the stiff side. Her BBBJ was only a 6 at best, Her handjob somewhat better but I did not go there to get wanked.
Girl said she gets 3000 baht from non farang customers' fees, so house must be taking at least 2300 per booking. That is very steep overhead.
Overall assessment of her:
Skills average, level of fun average, GFE missing, body average, face well above average. My top 3 pretty girls ever from Crazy House were prettier, more GFE and more fun on the bed and cheaper. My recent Evita girl was very comparable in many things, slightly behind for face looks, but better ass, and better BBBJ and good GFE/DFK, at a fraction of the price. The Evita girl was less fun in the bath not having been taught well enough most likely.
I think one would have to spend significant time in The Lord to meet the real super stunners. They must be mostly busy and not in the line up. Without getting the super stunners, I fail to see how the other girls are really worth the price. Probably many guys will have a regular girl that looks good, is a lot of fun, fucks really great and stays all night for quite a bit less money. I am probably done with The Lord. There is just no value. O.K. for the very rich guys they take a membership and wait around to find the super stunners.
I went to The Lord expecting extra super service. I did not get that. It was O.K. but all too ordinary. To pay big money you need something out of this world, right. BTW 50% of The Lord girls have implants and a very high percentage have nose jobs. Some guys will like this. It is not a plus for me. I would automatically avoid sillies, and only take an extra subtle nose job.
If I am going to repeat the best girls I find, I know I can get one vastly cheaper such as my Evita 2K girl, and so do her a lot more often for the same money, plus get 2 hours, and get a good GFE. Its a no brainer. Collect maybe some more girls like her or even prettier but still at a good price. For guys that don't like repeating, its a roll of the dice if they get a girl that is any good. So I imagine most will want extra cheap, if going to roll the dice on the performance level.
Next assignment will be to try some cheaper Smooci girls I guess, to see if can get an exceptional girl from that source. Obviously it could be hit and miss so will have to try more than once. Also should try Tulip and SW again and see if any of the girls are palatable. I know the odd girl at Mango is O.K. for me.
My summary of The Lord girls, is the line up may have the odd stunner, plenty of non stunners, but overall is underwhelming for a guy like me allergic to surgeries. Sure they look significantly better than a Bacarra line up to me, on average but that still isn't the answer. I don't see myself paying high prices for fake stuff. There are still some average bodies there covered up. I mean average compared to best nude girl figures in the gogos. The Lord have got this game sewn up and can get away with the very high prices because the elite customers will pay them and having a large set of girls puts them well in front of other up market joints.
I was told that my white skinned girl hardly ever gets a Farang customer, because Farangs like dark skin Issan girls with big eyes and big noses. LOL Yet I picked her due to lack of surgeries and a cute little nose.
If you had of read my report on Soi Cowboy only 3 pages back, you would have answered your own questions
Now, get off your arse and post a field report if it's not too much effort for you.
Drinks were far cheaper. Most places in Cowboy were sub 100 Baht. Nana was 100 Baht. That was less that 2 USD in the case of Cowboy.So if drinks were 100 baht at Nana back in 1999, they haven't even doubled in price since 1999. That's not bad.
I have a request. If it is okay by other members can we limit discussion to the current decade? Preferably the current year. I understand some members make valuable contributions and I do respect that but I question the value of knowing 1999 prices. Thanks.Considering I posted a reply to your original post with current prices just before I posted the 1999 observation, you are either a ******* or a moron to make a comment like that. You won't get getting any more info from me. Go back to paying 3000 baht bar fine and 9000 baht total for a sub performer, you clown.
Member #4591
05-16-17, 03:32
Considering I posted a reply to your original post with current prices just before I posted the 1999 observation, you are either a ******* or a moron to make a comment like that. You won't get getting any more info from me. Go back to paying 3000 baht bar fine and 9000 baht total for a sub performer, you clown.Smoothy, I checked out this guys posts and out of 199 posts, I couldn't find one field report. He bounces from the German threads to other country threads asking questions before he visits and nothing else. He never contributes a dam thing.
Member #4591
05-16-17, 03:46
Planning another visit so checked out ISG Thailand to see what's going on. I must have spent the guts of an hour getting up to date. Sad to say the Thai forum has become a platform for certain members to incessantly talk about themselves, what they like what they dislike how they spend their evenings yadda yadda yadda. Don't they have friends to chat with?. It's not to say they don't now and then have something useful to contribute but mostly it's just too many self-indulgent and irrelevant posts at least for a simple lad like myself who is just interested in the who, where, what and how much. I know I get it what is this post contributing? Nothing, but it's just the one not thousands. So anyway two of my favorites are gone Nataree and Tandy massage. Anybody know where the girls who worked at Nataree went. I guess all over the place but sometimes a large chunk might have transferred to a particular outfit. Looking forward to Crazy Horse and some individual providers with good reviews.These reports by the members you're referring to are very helpful to people who are coming to Thailand. Sharing of experiences including likes and dislikes helps other people by showing them what life is like here for someone in this hobby. I respect your opinion because you have posted a few good reports. I hope you can see it a little differently now.
Cheers.
Grandaddy Perp
05-16-17, 03:56
So if in 1999 go go girls got 1000 bt for ST and in 2017 go go girls get 3000 bt for ST then by my calculations that would make it a 6.29 % annual rate of inflation in go go girly prices over 18 years. And if instead we assume in 2017 go go girls get 2500 bt for ST, then that would make it a 5.22 % annual rate of inflation in go go girly prices.
Anyway you slice it, its not good because the go go girly rate increases far exceed the annual rate of inflation and wage increases in the developed countries where most foreign punters travel from to LOS for a little hanky panky as well as Thailand itself which averaged 2% annual rate of inflation despite a few peaks and troughs and very tame recent rate of inflation over the same 18 year time period. BUT actually it's not the end of the world economically speaking. I have seen far larger increases in goods and services in my time in America back in the '70s and 80's, which explains why the aggregate demand for Thai pussy has not fallen off, YET!
Assuming the 6.29 rate of go go wage inflation will continue into the future; 4000bt will be the asking price in 4.75 years (early 2022) and 5000 bt will be the asking price in 8.5 years or by January 1, 2026. Now assuming that the 5.22% rate of go go girl wage inflation will continue into the future; 4000 bt will be the asking price in 6 years (2023) and 5000 bt will be the asking price in 10 years (2027). So better make a lot of money gents, start shopping for SW's, or settle down with your one or two special girls LOL. Hey, what was the price of Soi 4 SW's in 1999?The economics of F&B and entertainment industries in general have historically been dictated by compartmentalized changes in the socio-economics of specific scenes.
These prices you're providing are mostly Bangkok prices and that of specific and minute areas (mainstream tourist) within the Thai P4P industry as a whole. Phuket is comparable but Pattaya hasn't reached the same level. Pretty much every other area of the country is seeing P4P service pricing either unchanged or with minimal increase over that time period.
In addition, these prices have only shot up in the last 4-5 years and coincided with the tourism and foreign investment booms that occurred post 2008 housing bubble. It created a boom in the f&be industry which in turn feeds the P4P service industry. And what has resulted is the emergence of a more comprehensive high-end nightlife experience that didn't exist post 2010. Prior to that, Bangkok and Thailand as a whole had been a budget destination for leisure travel and sex but these days, there is now a push towards making it more of a luxury destination. Bangkok received top priority in the re-branding and it has led to the creation of a whole new area of the sex scene that caters towards the massive influx of multi-national businesses and young entrepreneurs who have focused their investments in SE Asia.
So, while Thailand's economy may continue to be volatile, the entertainment scene in Bangkok and other areas of the country will maintain its popularity as weekend party havens for expats living in other SE Asian countries and party tourists from around the world, until one of the other SE Asian countries provides better services and / or the pricing reaches a level that makes it less convenient.
CallSign Papa
05-16-17, 06:05
I'm flying from the USA Into Bangkok on the 8th July arriving mid afternoon. I see Asalha Puja has been announced for the same day so does that mean I'm screwed and all bars will be shut?
In addition, these prices have only shot up in the last 4-5 years and coincided with the tourism and foreign investment booms that occurred post 2008 housing bubble. It created a boom in the f&be industry which in turn feeds the P4P service industry. And what has resulted is the emergence of a more comprehensive high-end nightlife experience that didn't exist post 2010. Prior to that, Bangkok and Thailand as a whole had been a budget destination for leisure travel and sex but these days, there is now a push towards making it more of a luxury destination. Bangkok received top priority in the re-branding and it has led to the creation of a whole new area of the sex scene that caters towards the massive influx of multi-national businesses and young entrepreneurs who have focused their investments in SE Asia.
So, while Thailand's economy may continue to be volatile, the entertainment scene in Bangkok and other areas of the country will maintain its popularity as weekend party havens for expats living in other SE Asian countries and party tourists from around the world, until one of the other SE Asian countries provides better services and / or the pricing reaches a level that makes it less convenient.I agree with your observation about the increase in Bangkok's P4 P prices coinciding with a more high-end nightlife experience. It also coincided with a more high-end daytime experience, general entertainment experience, shopping experience, hotel comfort experience, commuting experience, dining experience, visual and aesthetic experience. Hanging out in Bangkok today is a dramatically improved experience compared with my time here 20 years ago. Although I cannot compare conditions of 5-20 years ago vs the past 5 years, I would not be surprised if the past 5-7 years saw the most improvement.
I might add that the past 5-7 years also has seen the wide-spread use of smartphones, social communication / network apps like Line and so on. I don't know, did virtually every P4 P girl from the top end escorts to the lowliest back ally bar girls fresh off the farm sport a Samsung or iPhone with a portable sim card and a slew of Line, Viber, WeChat, Tinder, etc. type apps on it with seemingly endless access to wi-fi 7-8 years ago? Along with every tourist and potential customer no matter their status or income?
Thanks to smartphones and Line type apps, for any bargirl or massage shop girl with some above average advantages in the looks or skills department, there is almost never any such thing as being "out of customers" anymore. Imo, that has produced more changes in the general Thai / Bangkok P4 P scene than almost anything else. And, I must say, my experience is it has changed it for the better on balance. Much better, in fact.
To be sure, that doesn't provide much solace to those lamenting the change in the go-go bar and massage shop scene in the direct P4 P industry. But that industry exists in the midst of what is now one of the greatest, most visited, most popular, most modern and impressive cities in the world, far outpacing on a number of counts the biggest cities in my home country, USA. Of course, prices are going to go up accordingly.
However, aside from the direct P4 P scene and despite all the frills and glitzier, high-end environment, it turns out Thailand is still full of attractive, young ladies with fabulous pussies who are strapped for cash and more often grindingly poor, are more than a little bit intrigued by the idea of trysting with farangs and were born into a culture that does not associate as much shame with sex re commerce as its typical Western, Christian counterparts. And many of those young ladies will find themselves online, in Bangkok, right in the heart of the red light districts sooner or later. The smartphone, dating sites, hook up sites and Line app has kept Bangkok an overflowing cornucopia of low hanging fruit if what you are looking for is "dates" with attractive young Thai ladies that will wind up with the two of you naked in bed together sometime during the day or night of the first meeting. Or second, at most. And for a price that is often ridiculously insignificant.
Member #4591
05-16-17, 07:00
I'm flying from the USA Into Bangkok on the 8th July arriving mid afternoon. I see Asalha Puja has been announced for the same day so does that mean I'm screwed and all bars will be shut?Basically, yes. But there are other alternatives. For example the massage places in Lower Suk and Ratchada. Also after midnight you may see some openings at the discos on Soi 11. All is not lost. Also We Chat amd other online ways to contact the ladies won't close.
Grandaddy Perp
05-16-17, 07:11
I agree with your observation about the increase in Bangkok's P4 P prices coinciding with a more high-end nightlife experience. It also coincided with a more high-end daytime experience, general entertainment experience, shopping experience, hotel comfort experience, commuting experience, dining experience, visual and aesthetic experience. Hanging out in Bangkok today is a dramatically improved experience compared with my time here 20 years ago. Although I cannot compare conditions of 5-20 years ago vs the past 5 years, I would not be surprised if the past 5-7 years saw the most improvement.
I might add that the past 5-7 years also has seen the wide-spread use of smartphones, social communication / network apps like Line and so on. I don't know, did virtually every P4 P girl from the top end escorts to the lowliest back ally bar girl fresh off the farm sport a Samsung or iPhone with a portable sim card and a slew of Line, Viber, WeChat, Tinder, etc. type apps on it with seemingly endless access to wi-fi 7-8 years ago? Imo, that has produced more changes in the Thai / Bangkok P4 P scene than almost anything else. And, I must say, my experience is it has changed it for the better on balance..Great points and I agree with all, especially the part about smartphones. Technology has opened up the scene like never before. In the past, if a foreigner wanted a Thai spec lady he had to pay the surcharge and hit up the soapie complexes and even then he would not have been offered the hottest ladies. These days, the best looking girls in the scene just use apps to arrange dates and with 'stickers' it's easy for arrangements to be made without much need for learning different languages.
I'm flying from the USA Into Bangkok on the 8th July arriving mid afternoon. I see Asalha Puja has been announced for the same day so does that mean I'm screwed and all bars will be shut?Puja is a miss-spelling. It should be Bucha. Don't know why some sources have "butchered" it.
Pronounced something like Wan AR-sar-la-ha Buu-char or AR-sarn-ha Buu-char (two alternate ways). This day is 8 July this year. Alcohol cannot be sold and most bars will close. However on a recent Buddhist holiday Wisakha Bucha some bars were open, probably not selling alcohol (officially) and perhaps only after midnight.
9 July is Wan Khao Phansaa (Monks go into the Buddhist Lent retreat) also to have bar and disco closures and no sales of alcohol. So you may be stuffed for bars and beers, however, there will be freelancers girls on the street. The massage shops will also be open. So no big deal.
Your hotel fridge will still have beers I guess. I normally don't drink alcohol, so no big deal for me.
The economics of F&B and entertainment industries in general have historically been dictated by compartmentalized changes in the socio-economics of specific scenes.
These prices you're providing are mostly Bangkok prices and that of specific and minute areas (mainstream tourist) within the Thai P4P industry as a whole. Phuket is comparable but Pattaya hasn't reached the same level. Pretty much every other area of the country is seeing P4P service pricing either unchanged or with minimal increase over that time period.
In addition, these prices have only shot up in the last 4-5 years and coincided with the tourism and foreign investment booms that occurred post 2008 housing bubble. It created a boom in the f&be industry which in turn feeds the P4P service industry. And what has resulted is the emergence of a more comprehensive high-end nightlife experience that didn't exist post 2010. Prior to that, Bangkok and Thailand as a whole had been a budget destination for leisure travel and sex but these days, there is now a push towards making it more of a luxury destination. Bangkok received top priority in the re-branding and it has led to the creation of a whole new area of the sex scene that caters towards the massive influx of multi-national businesses and young entrepreneurs who have focused their investments in SE Asia.
So, while Thailand's economy may continue to be volatile, the entertainment scene in Bangkok and other areas of the country will maintain its popularity as weekend party havens for expats living in other SE Asian countries and party tourists from around the world, until one of the other SE Asian countries provides better services and / or the pricing reaches a level that makes it less convenient.BKK prices are being driven by one thing, commercial real estate values. Commercial rent in central BKK is astronomical, which is interesting as residential rents are still very affordable. And yes, this effects F & be and entertainment more than most sectors. Believe me the business owners and workers are not making out like bandits; the property owners are. And remember, property taxes in Thailand are very low so there is really little cost of ownership. No trouble letting a property sit empty till you get your price.
Crocodilexp
05-16-17, 09:52
As I have stated many times; I would have no problem paying current prices if looks and performance were reflected in price. But to pay three times the amount one used to pay for subpar service is ridiculous.One additional problem is expectations for the price.
Although on average service was better some years ago, there were still flops, a good number of them. When the going rate was 1000 baht or less, I didn't mind an occasional flop, it was still worthwhile. One more notch, and the score would eventually be evened out by the good 1000 baht sessions.
However, if I'm paying 2000-3000 and service is anything less than great, I get a bad aftertaste. It's a waste, a poor decision. That money could have been used either on a reliable oldie at a PSE like Tulip, or a different experience altogether (could have gone on a mini-holiday halfway across the country for a weekend for that much money). That's enough money to feel I want a guarantee things will be at least pleasant / standard, it's too much to just toss and see what happens.
One additional problem is expectations for the price.
Although on average service was better some years ago, there were still flops, a good number of them. When the going rate was 1000 baht or less, I didn't mind an occasional flop, it was still worthwhile. One more notch, and the score would eventually be evened out by the good 1000 baht sessions.
However, if I'm paying 2000-3000 and service is anything less than great, I get a bad aftertaste. It's a waste, a poor decision. That money could have been used either on a reliable oldie at a PSE like Tulip, or a different experience altogether (could have gone on a mini-holiday halfway across the country for a weekend for that much money). That's enough money to feel I want a guarantee things will be at least pleasant / standard, it's too much to just toss and see what happens.Exactly. When 1 k was 25 USD then a flop was no big deal. Let's put Golf, Dao, and Ying from Tulip as 10's on the scale of 1-10 for PSE experiences for arguments sake. Now, I realize that not every gal is going to provide a 10 on the PSE charts, but I certainly do expect a 7 or 8 if I am paying 2-3 k, whatever the venue might be. To pay that kind of money and have a gal complain or ask you to finish after 10 - 15 min is just ridiculous. And personally, if they pull that with me they are not getting their 2-3 k.
To be honest no. I accept it's presumptuous of me to log on and expect all reports to be relevant and concise. Certain writing styles means some posts will be longer than others but often these can be interesting and entertaining even when not containing much by way of intel. My comment referred to the rather boring repetitive self-indulgent posts where a member is really doing no more than wanting to talk about himself and in an not very entertaining way which at least from my perspective is of little value. But its ok, no big deal. Bottom line, ISG is a terrific forum with lots of information and happily the ignore button is always there.
CallSign Papa
05-16-17, 14:39
9 July is Wan Khao Phansaa (Monks go into the Buddhist Lent retreat) also to have bar and disco closures and no sales of alcohol. So to be clear, bars are closed Saturday and Sunday?
BKK prices are being driven by one thing, commercial real estate values. Commercial rent in central BKK is astronomical, which is interesting as residential rents are still very affordable. And yes, this effects F & be and entertainment more than most sectors. Believe me the business owners and workers are not making out like bandits; the property owners are. And remember, property taxes in Thailand are very low so there is really little cost of ownership. No trouble letting a property sit empty till you get your price.What I fail to understand is the real estate boom, the building industry growing rate, the attraction of bkk as a business location, the need to move to bkk and therefore the drive to the real estate.
Might and is cheaper than HKG and SIN, bit we talk about two worlds apart.
I can't see bkk as a financial center, nor as a corporate hq location.
So I am still wondering who is going to fill all those new buildings?
TremontTed
05-16-17, 17:14
Day 1.
Land at BKK a litte after 10 pm. Over 24 hour of travel time. Make it thru immigration, exchange some money, grab my bags and hop into a cab (300 b) to a hotel on Sukhumvent near Asoke BTS.
I'm pretty tired at this point but I check into the hotel, take a shower and hit the streets. I'm around the corner from Soi Cowboy.
I walk in the entrance of Soi cowboy. This is my first trip to Thailand. My jaw drops. I walk thru soi cowboy and amazed a place like this exist. A few girls try to drag me in but I've already.
Decided I'm going to Crazy House first. I exit Soi cowboy and turn right (I've been looking at google maps for the last month and have a map of Bangkok in my head) to Crazy House. I walk into.
Crazy house, second jaw drop. As noted here, there's tons of girls dancing on the stage. The place is packed both with customers and dancers. They find me the last spot at the stage. Its a visual.
Overload. No one comes to get my drink order. I decide to take a step back, I leave crazy house.
I decide to prime the pump with a few drinks first at a lower key place. I see Corner Bar and go in, this is more my pace. I have a few San Migual Lights, a great cheeseburger and chat.
Up the waitress and cashier. Correct me if I'm wrong but this is a regular bar that just happens to be on the corner of Soi Cowboy. I didn't see any bar girls but the wait staff.
Was friendly. The chubby cashier listened to all my stupid jokes so I rewarded her with a drink. To my surprise she ordered a beer. OK the 2 beers took the edge off and the banter with.
The wait staff made me more social. I'm ready for more now.
Next Stop Thermae bar. I've been watching youtube videos of some crazy guy walking around Sukhumvent. So I know to use the elevated walkway. It gets me over the intersections and more then.
Halfway to Thermae. I walk into Thermae and directed to the left to purchase my drink. As reported here, all the girls are lined up around the exterior. The guys mostly Asian and seated in the.
Middle. I heard the girls here prefer Asian customer but as a white guy I decide to girl it a go. I do the full circle. I smile at the girls I like and I think all of them or most of them smile.
Back. I seat down for a moment. My next problem, too many choice. Small commentary on the girls, they were nicely dressed. But then again freelancer bars are a different ball game. So at this point.
I've been up to long. I decide to score a quick ST and call it the night.
I approach Ploy. I smile and say Hi, she smiles back and says Hi. Ploy is skinny and has a tone body. I'm concerned being up so many hours I may have performance issues. But I think that.
Tone body will get my motor going. I buy her a drink and we have some small talk. She ask me how long do I want to keep her. I say ST. I ask how much she wants. I usually like to get.
Business out of the way. She says up to you how much. I think to myself OK, 2000 b. A few minutes goes by and she ask, hey how much you thinking about paying me LOL. I say 2000 b. She says she.
Wants 2500 b. I'm cool with that. We take a short cab ride back to my hotel as she's wearing heels.
Check in my joiner and up into the room. We had some time for small talk at the bar. Chemistry was just OK, but really wanted to get my hands on that tone body. We take separate showers.
And hit the bed. I offer her a massage but she kinda has a tough time relaxing. We have some light kissing but no DFK. I do DATY and she's enjoying it but seems to be holding back a little.
So I figure move on to sex. She starts with cowgirl. I'm no John Holmes but she has a nice tight pussy. She's riding me and her tone body feels and looks so good. Then I notice she's.
Losing a little steam. We switch over to missionary. My concerns about performance issues are not a problem. I'm rock hard and giving it to her good. I go at it for a while and shoot my load.
She leaves and now I can't fall asleep. I'm up the rest of the night watching CNN. Not many TV channels.
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Great points and I agree with all, especially the part about smartphones. Technology has opened up the scene like never before. In the past, if a foreigner wanted a Thai spec lady he had to pay the surcharge and hit up the soapie complexes and even then he would not have been offered the hottest ladies. These days, the best looking girls in the scene just use apps to arrange dates and with 'stickers' it's easy for arrangements to be made without much need for learning different languages.I'll just come out and say it; I am getting laid and blown better and with cuter, sweeter girls in Thailand now than I did 20 years ago. I realize that kind of flies in the face of what the general buzz is here and elsewhere. But there it is. Why is that happening? Imo, the primary factor is that damn smartphone with the Line app on it that I've got in my pocket. LOL. The technology certainly has its bad side with regard to the P4 P scene in Thailand. But it is a double edged sword. There are major upsides as well with the favorable edge going to the good in my experience.
20-25 years ago when I routinely traveled to this part of Asia and spent a week or two in both the Philippines and Thailand, it was well understood and oft discussed among my fellow punters that the girls in the Philippines were more loving and romantic while the girls in Thailand were more aloof and mercenary. And, man-oh-man, every trip to and from each country proved that adage to me time and time again. I liked Thai girls. But the language and cultural differences were just too great for me to enjoy much more than a rather strict and formal P4 P experience with them while my experiences with Philippine girls was so much more lovey dovey and romantic.
When I decided to move to Thailand in retirement instead of the Philippines about five years ago (mostly because of issues like better infrastructure and lower crime), I fully expected I would travel to my beloved Philippine ladies quite regularly for that Lovey Dovey Romantic fix. Yet, I have not gone there once since I moved to Bangkok because I have been steeped in loving and romantic attention from Thai girls since I moved here. No, certainly not in every case. And there are glaring and blatant examples of P4P disaster here as anywhere. But it turns out Thai girls are starved for fun-loving and romantically inclined men who send them cute "love you" stickers to their Line account. They were probably starved for that kind of attention 20-25 years ago as well but I didn't have the smarts or the technology to make it happen. Consequently, the sex scene for me back then was not nearly as satisfying and rewarding on a personal level as it was for me in the Philippines.
However, I am now communicating with Thai ladies, including P4 P girls from go-go bars, freelancers and non P4 P girls one meets on dating sites and around town, in ways other than by handing them money and pointing to an entry on a menu. Smartphones and Line type apps allow me to communicate with them through their hearts and emotions, ways that simply were not as easily available to me 20-25 years ago. And, not surprisingly in my experience at least, it really has made a positive difference in the bed.
Crocodilexp
05-16-17, 19:16
Thanks to smartphones and Line type apps, for any bargirl or massage shop girl with some above average advantages in the looks or skills department, there is almost never any such thing as being "out of customers" anymore. Sure, smartphones had a big impact. However, any half-decent looking girl never being "out of customers" is primarily due to a huge contraction of supply, while demand is roughly the same. There is an order of magnitude fewer acceptable looking girls these days, in almost all market segments. For the skeptical, simply compare a walk from Nana to Asoke these days vs 10-15 years ago (or Thermae, or any venue). There used to be dozens upon dozens of doable freelances calling out from every nook and cranny of lower Sukhumvit. A comparable number of their new generation sisters are NOT all working online now, not even close.
Imo, that has produced more changes in the general Thai / Bangkok P4 P scene than almost anything else. And, I must say, my experience is it has changed it for the better on balance. Much better, in fact.Great that the online scene works for you, at least some people are happy. Perhaps you simply dislike traditional venues and freelancers?
However, it takes a blind man not to see the overall decline. In addition, trawling online has almost no advantages for the savvy punter except over a street or bar scene. Online, prices are almost always higher (set at the level an average mug would barely accept, not what a decently-presented expat could negotiate), we don't get to evaluate actual looks or chemistry, and spend way more time, in less enjoyable ways, compared to looking for girls in person. Looking for a hooker on a smartphone is about as fun as waiting for a bus, except that it takes longer.
Most importantly for me, when browsing a decent in-person venue, I feel I'm choosing. Online, I always feel like I'm begging or at best, trawling the bottom for someone acceptable.
I just heard a rumour from a Soi 4 Freelancer girl that there is a concerted effort by the Police to round up all the street walkers and fine them all, whether they are ladyboys or girls, on a frequent basis right now. The girl says the police are trying to force all the P4 P workers to be in the bars. The effect could well be to drop the numbers in Soi4 significantly and they may have to move to Sukhumvit road or other Sois. The girl told me that Soi 11 was very safe currently as police do not raid there.
For Eih Tooms, it must be all self-serving bullshit the girl is telling me, but I have no reason to disbelieve her, and can't think of other reasons why she did not want to be in Soi 4. It's just a story (or rumour) I am reporting. I did not see the police raids recently since I have not been there. If the girls stays out of Soi 4, I don't see that she is going to get any financial advantage from it.
Putting a street girl into a bar at a much higher price does not improve her service, it is just going to make that girl less likely to get a customer.
I am pretty much done with Soi 4 freelancers anyway, unless I happen to find a stunner someday. LOL However I am pretty much done with all my regular bargirls as well, and not been that thrilled by Nana gogos recently, so not necessarily a great alternative. Most guys doing freelancers are not going to switch to Nana bar girls where the price suddenly doubles or more than doubles.
The street girls need the flexibility to be able to start work at 11 PM and catch the guy coming out of the bars very late with no girl. Some of the very late street girls were bargirls that got no customer too, I would think.
TremontTed
05-17-17, 03:44
BKK day 2.
I still tired from the travels yesterday but start the day early. Go for a oil massage on Soi 23. One of the many massage places on Soi 23 past the queen vic. 400 be for 1 hour oil. 2000 b extra for sex. DATY, DFK, and cowgirl. At night I head back to Thermae. I pick up a girl, former massage girl from ching mai. 2500 b for DATY, BBBJ, and multiple positions.
BKK day 3.
Another massage girl on Soi 23.400 b for massage and 2500 for sex. DATY, cowgirl and missionary. Rain storm keeps me in most of the night. At midnight I head for Insanity nightclub. I stop at the Sheraton Sukhumvent along the way. There is a bar / lounge on the first floor. Live band and around 15-20 female customers. Drink price as expected very expensive. I assume all the customers are freelancers but I can't say for sure. I finish my one drink and continue to Insanity. 300 b cover includes one free drink. I pull freelancer for 2000 b. DFK, DATY, multiple positions.
I'm hung over this morning but head to Pattaya. I try to improve on the reports, the free computers at the hotel lobby{s suck.
What I fail to understand is the real estate boom, the building industry growing rate, the attraction of bkk as a business location, the need to move to bkk and therefore the drive to the real estate.
Might and is cheaper than HKG and SIN, bit we talk about two worlds apart.
I can't see bkk as a financial center, nor as a corporate hq location.
So I am still wondering who is going to fill all those new buildings?Actually there is very little commercial space under construction. Most building is residential. I wonder that myself, but new condos keep selling.
Grandaddy Perp
05-17-17, 04:42
Sure, smartphones had a big impact. However, any half-decent looking girl never being "out of customers" is primarily due to a huge contraction of supply, while demand is roughly the same. There is an order of magnitude fewer acceptable looking girls these days, in almost all market segments. For the skeptical, simply compare a walk from Nana to Asoke these days vs 10-15 years ago (or Thermae, or any venue). There used to be dozens upon dozens of doable freelances calling out from every nook and cranny of lower Sukhumvit. A comparable number of their new generation sisters are NOT all working online now, not even close.
Great that the online scene works for you, at least some people are happy. Perhaps you simply dislike traditional venues and freelancers?
However, it takes a blind man not to see the overall decline. In addition, trawling online has almost no advantages for the savvy punter except over a street or bar scene. Online, prices are almost always higher (set at the level an average mug would barely accept, not what a decently-presented expat could negotiate), we don't get to evaluate actual looks or chemistry, and spend way more time, in less enjoyable ways, compared to looking for girls in person. Looking for a hooker on a smartphone is about as fun as waiting for a bus, except that it takes longer.
Most importantly for me, when browsing a decent in-person venue, I feel I'm choosing. Online, I always feel like I'm begging or at best, trawling the bottom for someone acceptable.I guess we have different perspectives which is fine. Mine is that the bars are basically punishment for the guys who refuse to adopt to technology.
As I've stated in previous posts, the online scene is the dominant form of booking these days. I get it that there are some traditionalists who haven't embraced the full on advantages of technology but you're not experiencing the best on offer. In reality you're fighting over scraps (harsh to say but reality) with every other sex tourist that still sees Nana and Soi Cowboy and the MPs as the most convenient way to find a lady. You're also paying premium to do so. Its also not like in the past where these venues not only offered up sex but also a fun place to go and drink and not feel like a complete creeper. They are more like the Tsukiji Fish Market these days.
On the other hand, online booking is much more convenient, cheaper, and you're getting access to ladies that you would never find in any of the brick and mortar establishments outside of the high end gentlemen's clubs. For example, I just met a 'pretty' (the models that you see at the auto shows) on wechat. 170 cm, white skin, fit, 20 years old. 3000 baht ST and she is incall. I am going to see her on my lunch break today.
I also am constantly getting offers from ladies on the same app. All you do is put a message on your profile that you're looking and you'll get offers. Interestingly enough, I got a message from a lady last week who looked familiar. She messaged asking if I remembered her. It ended up being a lady from one of the PSE MPs that I had met with a month prior. She had since quite and was now online. She came over to my condo and gave me a massage and FS + A+ for 2000 and stayed around for over 3 hours.
For the hotties, the average rates from what some might consider to be 8's and 9's are usually 2000-3000 for ST. There are quite a few 10's on there that want 5000-7000 but they also will take much less if its a slow day and they want to make a quick 2000-3000. That{s the real gem about online. The ladies are accessible 24-7 and they have a lot more freedom to dictate pricing than they do in the bars and MPs.
So how is this not as good as going to a packed sausage fest er bar and having to deal with all of the negative stuff that so many complain about on here like:
1. Rude mamasans.
2. Ladies who treat you like a number (oh the irony).
3. Ladies who stand out now but would have been unnoticed 5 years ago.
3. 3000 baht for ST + 1000 BF + drinks + short time room = 3000.
4. Padded bills.
5. Rushed service or less than stellar performance majority of the time.
6. Smoke filled bars.
Is internet booking perfect? No. Far from it. It has its downsides like not being able to see the person in the flesh until you meet them but that's why you video chat with them first and then meet them at a common place like a mall or cafe before taking them back to your room. For me the video does the trick and I've yet to be disappointed with someone's looks. And that's it really.
Everything else, at least for me is better. From a service standpoint, its better than the agogos and MPs especially when you meet them at their place or you arrange a night of it. I get a lot more GFE through online meet-ups and even the occasional PSE. If I want PSE I look for the older ladies or the less attractive younger ones but still better than the bar girls. You also have a lot more power of negotiation with the online meets. If the girl gets to your room and she doesn't perform how you want you are able to pay her what you feel is the fair amount. She may not be happy about it but its not like you're going to feel awkward or fearful if you show your face on Line again.
The fact is, online is where its at and will continue to absorb the scene until your only real option will be to get a smartphone. Syzygies post below is one of the driving forces behind it, that and it is just plain better for the majority of the people involved.
Sure, smartphones had a big impact. However, any half-decent looking girl never being "out of customers" is primarily due to a huge contraction of supply, while demand is roughly the same. There is an order of magnitude fewer acceptable looking girls these days, in almost all market segments. For the skeptical, simply compare a walk from Nana to Asoke these days vs 10-15 years ago (or Thermae, or any venue). There used to be dozens upon dozens of doable freelances calling out from every nook and cranny of lower Sukhumvit. A comparable number of their new generation sisters are NOT all working online now, not even close.
Great that the online scene works for you, at least some people are happy. Perhaps you simply dislike traditional venues and freelancers?
However, it takes a blind man not to see the overall decline. In addition, trawling online has almost no advantages for the savvy punter except over a street or bar scene. Online, prices are almost always higher (set at the level an average mug would barely accept, not what a decently-presented expat could negotiate), we don't get to evaluate actual looks or chemistry, and spend way more time, in less enjoyable ways, compared to looking for girls in person. Looking for a hooker on a smartphone is about as fun as waiting for a bus, except that it takes longer.
Most importantly for me, when browsing a decent in-person venue, I feel I'm choosing. Online, I always feel like I'm begging or at best, trawling the bottom for someone acceptable.Agree with everything you say Croc. I'm not a fan of online; it requires far more effort. That's not what P4 P is about for me. It's about being able to go get laid with very little effort.
I just heard a rumour from a Soi 4 Freelancer girl that there is a concerted effort by the Police to round up all the street walkers and fine them all, whether they are ladyboys or girls, on a frequent basis right now. The girl says the police are trying to force all the P4 P workers to be in the bars. The effect could well be to drop the numbers in Soi4 significantly and they may have to move to Sukhumvit road or other Sois. The girl told me that Soi 11 was very safe currently as police do not raid there.
For Eih Tooms, it must be all self-serving bullshit the girl is telling me, but I have no reason to disbelieve her, and can't think of other reasons why she did not want to be in Soi 4. It's just a story (or rumour) I am reporting. I did not see the police raids recently since I have not been there. If the girls stays out of Soi 4, I don't see that she is going to get any financial advantage from it.LOL. Ok, Syzy, let's test the limits of your apparent belief that it is a rare occurrence for a bargirl to engage in self-serving, even Face-saving tall tales whenever you ask her the kind of questions I mentioned. A while back you reported a total dud experience with a girl to whom you gave a smaller than usual amount of money and then gave her the boot. When other posters here pointed out you would likely suffer some backlash at her bar for doing that, you assured us that she left with a smile, asked to meet you again and, therefore, it was doubtful that she would say anything bad about you back in her bar. After all, you only spent 10 minutes with her and didn't even have sex.
Remember that one?
I suppose according to your thesis, that girl went back to her bar and, to whatever extent she shared info or gossip with other girls and, eventually, with other customers about her experience with you, she must have told them that you only gave her (let's say, since you didn't reveal the amount) 1000 baht. But, she would explain, that was completely understandable since she really had behaved like a twit with you, only offered a terrible experience, wasted 10 precious minutes of your valuable time and didn't give you sex anyway. Besides, you were really a nice guy and she hopes you will call her soon so she can make up for the trouble she caused you.
Would that be about the way you imagine it going down back at her bar?
May I offer an alternative tale she might have told? I submit that when she went back to that bar she told the other girls and will eventually tell any customer who asks about such a thing that you were one of the worst Cheap Charlies she ever had, tried to totally rip her off, only gave her 500 baht (or nothing!) after she gave you some of the best sex you probably ever had. Worse, you couldn't get it up for almost 30 minutes. Then, after she did everything imaginable to get a rise out of you, you rammed your gigantic insufferable filthy penis into her pained vagina for over an hour! Then you pushed her out the door before she could put her shoes on with only that ridiculous 500 baht to show for it. Or maybe it was nothing!!
Now, which story do you think is closer to the way that girl will gossip about her experience with you when she talks about it with the other girls and, eventually, with some concerned customer worried about how she is being treated by the rest of us dastardly men?
Banana Boi
05-17-17, 05:14
Thanks for the great review, Tremont Ted. Get some sleep and enjoy Day 2!
Member #4591
05-17-17, 05:22
I am pretty much done with Soi 4 freelancers anyway, unless I happen to find a stunner someday. LOL However I am pretty much done with all my regular bargirls as well, and not been that thrilled by Nana gogos recently, so not necessarily a great alternative. Most guys doing freelancers are not going to switch to Nana bar girls where the price suddenly doubles or more than doubles.
The street girls need the flexibility to be able to start work at 11 PM and catch the guy coming out of the bars very late with no girl. Some of the very late street girls were bargirls that got no customer too, I would think.So what's next for you? Online, soapies, oilies, and freelancers in the bars?
Grandaddy Perp
05-17-17, 06:02
Actually there is very little commercial space under construction. Most building is residential. I wonder that myself, but new condos keep selling.Land in the center of the city is not only extremely expensive but sparse. There is only room left to build up which would best be served by condominiums.
For commercial space the trend is the refurbishment of old buildings. Shop houses have become premium real estate options especially for f&b and retail. For example, in Chinatown, you could get a old shop house, 3-4 stories, 300-400 sq. M. of total floor space, for less than 4 mil just a couple of years ago. These days they are going for 15-20 mil. In certain 'trendy' areas. Even with these high prices, I haven't seen the f&be scene go crazy on pricing. Food, even at the future Michelin star level establishments is much cheaper than what you'll pay in other developed cities. The cocktail scene has introduced a new level of refined drinking which does cost more than the typical Sangsom and coke but the pricing is more of a result of inflation due to trendiness than the price of rent.
As far as the condominiums go, they are seen as long term investments by not only the locals but foreigners as well. Of course, the 2008 housing bubble partly happened because of this type of real estate prospecting so the chance that we see a repeat of at least that aspect of it is possible. What it is happening is that the locals are buying them up, furnishing them with cookie cutter, cheap IKEA products and renting them out with the only goal being to cover the mortgage for now and then sell at a profit in a few years.
I agree with everything you said except the Private Dancer comment. As a quick, easy, and mildly entertaining weekend read its good but using it as an anthropological reference isn't recommended For those who don't want to read the book, I guess you could just look at this photo and it pretty much tells the story.
I haven't seen the f&be scene go crazy on pricing. Food, even at the future Michelin star level establishments is much cheaper than what you'll pay in other developed cities. The cocktail scene has introduced a new level of refined drinking which does cost more than the typical Sangsom and coke but the pricing is more of a result of inflation due to trendiness than the price of rent..Yep, salaries are far higher in most other Asian cities; even for the locals. And I would contend that just like the P4 P scene the newer trendier restaurants offer very little value for money. Some of the older more established fine dining places are still ok. And cocktail pours tend to be quite stingy, and FFS some are priced more than you would pay in NYC. And there for 14 USD you get a drink that gives you a buzz.
Uncle Volodya
05-18-17, 09:42
I guess we have different perspectives which is fine. Mine is that the bars are basically punishment for the guys who refuse to adopt to technology.
As I've stated in previous posts, the online scene is the dominant form of booking these days. I get it that there are some traditionalists who haven't embraced the full on advantages of technology but you're not experiencing the best on offer. In reality you're fighting over scraps (harsh to say but reality) with every other sex tourist that still sees Nana and Soi Cowboy and the MPs as the most convenient way to find a lady. You're also paying premium to do so. Its also not like in the past where these venues not only offered up sex but also a fun place to go and drink and not feel like a complete creeper. They are more like the Tsukiji Fish Market these days.
On the other hand, online booking is much more convenient, cheaper, and you're getting access to ladies that you would never find in any of the brick and mortar establishments outside of the high end gentlemen's clubs. For example, I just met a 'pretty' (the models that you see at the auto shows) on wechat. 170 cm, white skin, fit, 20 years old. 3000 baht ST and she is incall. I am going to see her on my lunch break today.
I also am constantly getting offers from ladies on the same app. All you do is put a message on your profile that you're looking and you'll get offers. Interestingly enough, I got a message from a lady last week who looked familiar. She messaged asking if I remembered her. It ended up being a lady from one of the PSE MPs that I had met with a month prior. She had since quite and was now online. She came over to my condo and gave me a massage and FS + A+ for 2000 and stayed around for over 3 hours.
For the hotties, the average rates from what some might consider to be 8's and 9's are usually 2000-3000 for ST. There are quite a few 10's on there that want 5000-7000 but they also will take much less if its a slow day and they want to make a quick 2000-3000. That{s the real gem about online. The ladies are accessible 24-7 and they have a lot more freedom to dictate pricing than they do in the bars and MPs.
So how is this not as good as going to a packed sausage fest er bar and having to deal with all of the negative stuff that so many complain about on here like:
1. Rude mamasans.
2. Ladies who treat you like a number (oh the irony).
3. Ladies who stand out now but would have been unnoticed 5 years ago.
3. 3000 baht for ST + 1000 BF + drinks + short time room = 3000.
4. Padded bills.
5. Rushed service or less than stellar performance majority of the time.
6. Smoke filled bars.
Is internet booking perfect? No. Far from it. It has its downsides like not being able to see the person in the flesh until you meet them but that's why you video chat with them first and then meet them at a common place like a mall or cafe before taking them back to your room. For me the video does the trick and I've yet to be disappointed with someone's looks. And that's it really.
Everything else, at least for me is better. From a service standpoint, its better than the agogos and MPs especially when you meet them at their place or you arrange a night of it. I get a lot more GFE through online meet-ups and even the occasional PSE. If I want PSE I look for the older ladies or the less attractive younger ones but still better than the bar girls. You also have a lot more power of negotiation with the online meets. If the girl gets to your room and she doesn't perform how you want you are able to pay her what you feel is the fair amount. She may not be happy about it but its not like you're going to feel awkward or fearful if you show your face on Line again.
The fact is, online is where its at and will continue to absorb the scene until your only real option will be to get a smartphone. Syzygies post below is one of the driving forces behind it, that and it is just plain better for the majority of the people involved.Very good post and I completely agree. Internet can be great. Also, if you have a bit of game, dating apps like Badoo for finding "regular" and semi pros can be very useful. I takes a bit more time but if I lived in BKK I think I could really rake them in.
In the past I have complained about the internet scene because girls fotos have not been representative. The girls now have a host of technologies available to them to easily enhance their fotos. But I think the poster is right that video chat provides a solution to this problem. In the past I have just ben a bto too shy to videochat. But I will work it into my repertoire now.
One thing that I will miss is the thrill of the hunt that comes with going to bars and discos. This is more like ordering a pizza. LOL.
Grandaddy Perp
05-18-17, 11:03
As mentioned in my previous post, I decided to forgo solid foods and went with a liquid diet for lunch the other day with this 'pretty' that I made contact with on WeChat. Her name is 'Stephanie' (got to love this new nickname trend of adopting common American 'Valley girls' names).
She told me 3000 and incall service during our chat. I inquired as to the services she provides and she said everything but 'no anal and cum mouth'. Fair enough. Her condo ended up being only 2 BTS stops away from my office and only 500 meters from the station so it didn't take me long to get to her place. She stays in one of the newest high rises around this station so she must be doing quite well for herself. When I arrived at her building I sent her a message that I was downstairs. I don't know about others but I find the wait for them to show themselves to be very exciting. There's this anticipation that builds up as you wonder what is really going to come out of the lift. There has been more than a few occasions where someone else came out and I thought is this her? You never really know if you don't get any sort of live video confirmation and this case I didn't so it really could be anyone. When the doors finally opened I was not disappointed. She looked even better than her pics, but mostly because her body is amazing and 2 D just doesn't do it justice. She came out wearing these short bright yellow canvas running shorts, easily a size too small and a white tank top that was even more snug. She has a really shapely and well proportioned lower body (she says she does a lot of squats and lunges in the gym) and a really nice set of silly Cs that made her tank top really pop. Small waste and flat firm tummy. Very beautiful face, high cheekbones full lips and a modest nose job. Healthy jet black hair made up in pig tails. She greets me with a nice shy smile and acts a little school-girlie which must be her persona. Her English isn't great so we switch to Thai. She grabs my hand and leads back to the elevator and up we go to the 22nd floor, this girl is Thai ballin.
We get to her door, take our shoes off and leave them in the hall and enter. She has a nice place, very clean, modern, quite spacious studio setup. Small kitchen, sofa, large bed. She asks if I want a drink. Water, tea, juice or beer. Its just a work break so I take the water but that cold LEO was very tempting. We chit chat for a few minutes. She tells me she mostly models for events and does this on the side but says that she may go full on P4P because she gets many offers online and can make more money. She used to only meet Asian men but is now opening up to westerners but is scared of 'big size'.
As we're talking she starts to warm me up by rubbing my shoulders and then asks if I want a massage. I say no I'm on a time limit so we undress and head to her shower. She gives me a good washing and really does a nice job getting me going. I don't do DFK so not sure if she goes there but she does do a nice bit of licking, sucking, and light biting around the ears, neck, nips, and down. After around 10 minutes in the shower we are both pretty hot and instead of be-lining it to the bed, I just bend her over a small table that she has set up as a dining table. A condom was thrown on right before this started. I'm pretty average in size but she is still really tight. She also knows about kegels which makes it even better.
We go at the table for another 10 minutes or so but then start to cramp up a little so we head to her sofa. She rides me in cowgirl for a little while so I can admire her nice firm body and amazing set. I get lost for a second just caressing her skin. Soft and smooth like a baby's bottom and also creamy white. That's the thing that I love most about some of these top online ladies. They don't get caught up in the party lifestyle like the bar girls. They really invest in their bodies and take great care of themselves. Don't smoke, rarely drink, exercise, and make a point to eat healthy. It really shows in their hair and skin and of course stamina.
Once I snap out of the trance, I realize that I only have a few minutes left before I need to get back to work so I have her turn around in reverse cowgirl and watch her pop her lovely toned ass for another couple of minutes. I start caressing the rim of her little pink pucker with my thumb. She doesn't do or saying anything but just keeps bouncing so I put the tip in. She moans arches her back and then changes her motion so its more back and forth instead of up and down. I get so excited and finish right then and there. She gives me a peck on the cheek, and hurries off to the bathroom to get some tissue to clean me up. We both shower, dress, and she shows me out.
For the record, Stephanie isn't the norm, especially at that price. A girl of her caliber normally asks for 5000-7000. I was surprised when I saw her in real and after she gave such a great session. Not sure why she was only wanting 3000 but sometimes they do need to make a bit of money in a very short period of time so 3000 will get them more customers quicker. It will be interesting to see if she keeps that rate during future visits.
Crocodilexp
05-18-17, 11:52
Very good post and I completely agree. Internet can be great. Also, if you have a bit of game, dating apps like Badoo for finding "regular" and semi pros can be very useful. I takes a bit more time but if I lived in BKK I think I could really rake them in.
We're talking apples and oranges here.
Internet apps are great for dating, the relatively lengthy process of sifting through profiles, doing the chats and setting up meetings, with the ultimate goal of getting laid. Whether you need to or want to pay to achieve better results is not a key issue, spending the time and hassle is.
Traditional mongering, for me at least, is all about convenience and choice. I look, preferably in a place with plenty of choice, the girls proposition me, I pick and choose. If I happen to like a girl, the chance of rejection is low, and my dick is inside her within 30 min of first seeing her face. If I want to keep looking, that's my choice. There's even some joy in rejecting an actual girl who's available, but absolutely none in rejecting someone's picture or profile online.
Sure, there might have been that one time when the punter found someone on a chat app who's just around the corner, met them and had sex in roughly the same timeframe as with a streetwalker or a bargirl. But that's far from the typical case. For every one of those events, how many flakes, ladyboys and such do we typically have to sift through?
Personally, I find trawling the apps, doing the inane chats (video or text), arranging to meet and dealing with flakes at every step of the way. Highly unpleasant and more of a hassle than most sex sessions are worth. If I'm looking for a gik for several meetings over a few weeks or longer, I might force myself to go through that whole process, but just for a shot or two. No way, especially if I need to pay for it as well.
Of course, I understand people have different preferences and some might dislike the traditional method in favor of the online one. However, objectively speaking, you don't get more choice, you don't get more convenience, and you don't get cheaper prices either online (compared to the Bangkok scene in just 10 or so years ago -- I do realize it's dismal in comparison now). Ultimately, if online mongering in Thailand ever proves to be better than traditional mongering, it won't be because the online method/scene is good, but because of the steep decline of the traditional scene.
We're talking apples and oranges here.
Internet apps are great for dating, the relatively lengthy process of sifting through profiles, doing the chats and setting up meetings, with the ultimate goal of getting laid. Whether you need to or want to pay to achieve better results is not a key issue, spending the time and hassle is.
Traditional mongering, for me at least, is all about convenience and choice. I look, preferably in a place with plenty of choice, the girls proposition me, I pick and choose. If I happen to like a girl, the chance of rejection is low, and my dick is inside her within 30 min of first seeing her face. If I want to keep looking, that's my choice. There's even some joy in rejecting an actual girl who's available, but absolutely none in rejecting someone's picture or profile online.
Sure, there might have been that one time when the punter found someone on a chat app who's just around the corner, met them and had sex in roughly the same timeframe as with a streetwalker or a bargirl. But that's far from the typical case. For every one of those events, how many flakes, ladyboys and such do we typically have to sift through?
Personally, I find trawling the apps, doing the inane chats (video or text), arranging to meet and dealing with flakes at every step of the way. Highly unpleasant and more of a hassle than most sex sessions are worth. If I'm looking for a gik for several meetings over a few weeks or longer, I might force myself to go through that whole process, but just for a shot or two. No way, especially if I need to pay for it as well.
Of course, I understand people have different preferences and some might dislike the traditional method in favor of the online one. However, objectively speaking, you don't get more choice, you don't get more convenience, and you don't get cheaper prices either online (compared to the Bangkok scene in just 10 or so years ago -- I do realize it's dismal in comparison now). Ultimately, if online mongering in Thailand ever proves to be better than traditional mongering, it won't be because the online method/scene is good, but because of the steep decline of the traditional scene.Croc, I could not agree more. I am not looking to "date" P4 P gals, nor attempt to romance them in the hopes they will provide good service. And online benefits the seller far more than the buyer. I too find it tedious going through apps. Chatting with a WG? No way. Why would I want to spend my time doing that. And yes, far less choice, there is no doubt about it.
Grandaddy Perp
05-18-17, 12:19
Sure, there might have been that one time when the punter found someone on a chat app who's just around the corner, met them and had sex in roughly the same timeframe as with a streetwalker or a bargirl. But that's far from the typical case. For every one of those events, how many flakes, ladyboys and such do we typically have to sift through?.You seemingly haven't used WeChat then because this is exactly how it works. If you're around Suhkumvit all the way from Soi 1 to Soi 101, all you have to do is go on the app and there will typically be several ladies on their offering services, most use 'massage' as the signified but some come right out and say what they offer next to their name and pic. They have to be within a certain distance of your location, usually a max of 1000 meters but it can be a little more or less due to GPS inaccuracies. This one time I was sitting in a fairly well know coffee shop on Suhk along the golden mile stretch and saw a lady on the app that I liked the looks of and sent her a message to see if she was available to meet. She ended up being in the same shop right at that very moment. I actually got a little crept out for second then I discovered that its become a thing for some working girls to camp out at places like this and just use this app to get customers, especially along the golden mile.
Croc, I could not agree more. I am not looking to "date" P4 P gals, nor attempt to romance them in the hopes they will provide good service. And online benefits the seller far more than the buyer. I too find it tedious going through apps. Chatting with a WG? No way. Why would I want to spend my time doing that. And yes, far less choice, there is no doubt about it.I don't think you have to chat with them that much, if by that you mean woo or date them. They put things like "call girl" or "freelancer" in their profile. The only thing they will do is make sure you are aware this is P4 P, and make sure you come up with an agreed upon price at minimum. That and a Hello, is really all that is needed. However, it can be a hassle to have to get to their place or for them to get (and find) to your place in Bangkok traffic. And there is a chance of flaky girls who stop responding after you show up I suppose, since there is no manager to report them to.
I think it's worth trying, I'll give it a whirl again if I can find some good profiles. I was on tinder but it's kind of luck whether or not you come across a working girls profile there as you don't choose what profiles you get to see. I messaged one girl off Tinder who wanted 3000 baht ST, which I thought was too high as smooci has the same price but better selection and more importantly reliability with reviews. And was on wechat but way too many ladyboys and old massage ladies in my current area.
We're talking apples and oranges here.
Internet apps are great for dating, the relatively lengthy process of sifting through profiles, doing the chats and setting up meetings, with the ultimate goal of getting laid. Whether you need to or want to pay to achieve better results is not a key issue, spending the time and hassle is.
Traditional mongering, for me at least, is all about convenience and choice. I look, preferably in a place with plenty of choice, the girls proposition me, I pick and choose. If I happen to like a girl, the chance of rejection is low, and my dick is inside her within 30 min of first seeing her face. If I want to keep looking, that's my choice. There's even some joy in rejecting an actual girl who's available, but absolutely none in rejecting someone's picture or profile online.
Sure, there might have been that one time when the punter found someone on a chat app who's just around the corner, met them and had sex in roughly the same timeframe as with a streetwalker or a bargirl. But that's far from the typical case. For every one of those events, how many flakes, ladyboys and such do we typically have to sift through?
Personally, I find trawling the apps, doing the inane chats (video or text), arranging to meet and dealing with flakes at every step of the way. Highly unpleasant and more of a hassle than most sex sessions are worth. If I'm looking for a gik for several meetings over a few weeks or longer, I might force myself to go through that whole process, but just for a shot or two. No way, especially if I need to pay for it as well.
Of course, I understand people have different preferences and some might dislike the traditional method in favor of the online one. However, objectively speaking, you don't get more choice, you don't get more convenience, and you don't get cheaper prices either online (compared to the Bangkok scene in just 10 or so years ago -- I do realize it's dismal in comparison now). Ultimately, if online mongering in Thailand ever proves to be better than traditional mongering, it won't be because the online method/scene is good, but because of the steep decline of the traditional scene.I'm with you on this one. I much prefer going to the gogos where there are a throng of naked girls rather than spending time on the internet searching for girls.
I think, it's a matter of taste.
Personally I don't like gogos. Sometimes I go to massage parlors (Addict, Snowwhite), sometimes I book an escort (Absolute Angels, Smooci, New BE, backpage), sometimes I get contact by social media (Facebook, Instagram, Tinder, WeChat), sometimes I chat up girls in malls (especially shop staff) and most of the times I pick up more or less (non-) professional girls in clubs (Mixx, Levels, Cé la vie).
There is no right or wrong as long as you are happy with it.
Croc, I could not agree more. I am not looking to "date" P4 P gals, nor attempt to romance them in the hopes they will provide good service. And online benefits the seller far more than the buyer. I too find it tedious going through apps. Chatting with a WG? No way. Why would I want to spend my time doing that. And yes, far less choice, there is no doubt about it.Online dating sites are certainly not for everyone. Weirdly, I have gotten zero results from the oft touted booty-call or hook up apps like Tinder and WeChat yet get tons of booty-call / hook up type results from the supposedly more "long term relationship" apps like ThaiCupid and ThaiFriendly that cater more to somewhat regular non direct P4P girls and women. I have never seen what the other guys' pics and profiles are like on these kinds of sites because I am only interested in meeting females so that's all I ever see. But I suspect it is quite a horror show over there on the male side of the pickin's. I do keep myself in fairly good shape, my weight is proportionate to my height, am mostly a happy, smiley type guy, polite but ready to launch into a fun and bawdy line of discussion at any time. A gentleman most of the time I guess. I don't know what else is required to get as strong a response as I do on these sites because, as I say, I have no idea what the "competition" is like on the male side.
Meanwhile, I filter out females further than 50 km from Bangkok, specify that I am only interested in "Romance / Dating", not "Friendship", "Serious Relationship", "Marriage" and that I definitely want "NO Penpals, please. " Whenever I respond to an email notification of someone clicking "Interested" in me, that will invariably trigger a half-dozen or more views and "Interested"s in my profile. Among those there is usually at least one attractive lady worth replying to and, sooner than one might predict, seeing if she is up to the task of meeting my three "Romance / Dating" requirements; Shaved or closely trimmed pussy, fuck like a REAL girlfriend and/or be happy to complete a proper blowjob like an experienced adult woman and not a frightened virgin. I am not kidding about this. That is how I use apps like ThaiCupid and ThaiFriendly. This idea that those kinds of dating sites require men to profess undying love, wooing and courting poor innocent lonely-heart damsels into surrendering to them under false pretenses has simply not been my experience with them because I don't let it become about that.
Crocodilexp
05-19-17, 04:00
You seemingly haven't used WeChat then because this is exactly how it works.
I tried WeChat briefly a few years back and it was over 2/3 ladyboys. I don't find it at all fun to send a dozen "are you a ladyboy?" messages and sit around waiting for the them to respond in order to maybe have 2 girls to choose from. Maybe it got better over time, but I'm not eager to try again.
As for location, even if they're well within 1km, it still involves setting up a meeting and waiting for them to show up, just to potentially have to shoo them away. With the traditional approach, the girl is right in front of you, every single time. You can see right away if you like her, and if you don't, you haven't wasted any of your and her time on meeting and it's no big deal to make your excuse and move on.
Given the low quality on Sukhumvit, I'd likely need to reject a good percentage of girls I meet, even after seeing their photos first... and the prospect of wasting even 10 min of both her and my time only to reject her is something I find off-putting.
Uncle Volodya
05-19-17, 06:47
As mentioned in my previous post, I decided to forgo solid foods and went with a liquid diet for lunch the other day with this 'pretty' that I made contact with on WeChat. Her name is 'Stephanie' (got to love this new nickname trend of adopting common American 'Valley girls' names).
What a lunch break! Amazing.
Glad you are taking full advantage of living in BKK. I envy you man.
I had some good luck with tinder and badoo in Pattaya last trip. I will be in LOS for about a month in Aug-September. I was planning to spend most of my time in Patts but after reading your reports I am really tempted to spend some more time in BKK and work the social media angle.
I think it's worth trying, I'll give it a whirl again if I can find some good profiles. I was on tinder but it's kind of luck whether or not you come across a working girls profile there as you don't choose what profiles you get to see. I messaged one girl off Tinder who wanted 3000 baht ST, which I thought was too high as smooci has the same price but better selection and more importantly reliability with reviews. And was on wechat but way too many ladyboys and old massage ladies in my current area.I messaged a black Girl on Craig List, and gave some info about myself. I asked her name and approx. Location, not much more than that. All she replied was 3000 ST and hope we will meet up. I am sorry but that is just not quite good enough. Did not even give a first name to call her by, which suggests she might have a bad reputation. No information about how we might meet up or anything. Next thing, she might expect to be paid up front, who knows.
I did not proceed further. Nothing gave me a feeling that she might be a fun girl. I just got the impression of an easy way to waste 3000. I don't need an endless string of messages back and forth to try to find out if she is worth meeting.
I tried WeChat briefly a few years back and it was over 2/3 ladyboys. I don't find it at all fun to send a dozen "are you a ladyboy?" messages and sit around waiting for the them to respond in order to maybe have 2 girls to choose from. Maybe it got better over time, but I'm not eager to try again.
As for location, even if they're well within 1km, it still involves setting up a meeting and waiting for them to show up, just to potentially have to shoo them away. With the traditional approach, the girl is right in front of you, every single time. You can see right away if you like her, and if you don't, you haven't wasted any of your and her time on meeting and it's no big deal to make your excuse and move on.
Given the low quality on Sukhumvit, I'd likely need to reject a good percentage of girls I meet, even after seeing their photos first... and the prospect of wasting even 10 min of both her and my time only to reject her is something I find off-putting.Buddy and I were messing around with WeChat the other week. Same deal, the vast majority were LBs.
I messaged a black Girl on Craig List, and gave some info about myself. I asked her name and approx. Location, not much more than that. All she replied was 3000 ST and hope we will meet up. I am sorry but that is just not quite good enough. Did not even give a first name to call her by, which suggests she might have a bad reputation. No information about how we might meet up or anything. Next thing, she might expect to be paid up front, who knows.
I did not proceed further. Nothing gave me a feeling that she might be a fun girl. I just got the impression of an easy way to waste 3000. I don't need an endless string of messages back and forth to try to find out if she is worth meeting.Craigslist is a waste of time because the girls there price themselves too high. The exact same girls can be found elsewhere for less money. For some reason, they think they can charge more on craigslist and backpage.
Robert Long
05-19-17, 19:22
Craigslist is a waste of time because the girls there price themselves too high. The exact same girls can be found elsewhere for less money. For some reason, they think they can charge more on craigslist and backpage.I made an appointment with Lucky and we Lined each other and set up a meeting at the Hotel lobby. She requested a confirmation an hour before and I confirmed. When the time to meet came she didn't show. I lined her asking where she was, assuming stuck in traffic, she came back with an answer that read, she decided that she got stiffed to many times and decided to cancel. Without a notice to me.
Rl.
Grandaddy Perp
05-20-17, 04:21
Buddy and I were messing around with WeChat the other week. Same deal, the vast majority were LBs.Yes, there are some ladyboys on there but I don't think I've ever seen it where they make up the majority of the listings. Then again I've never used the app when I was at Nana. Usually, the majority consists of non- P4P ladies, massage ladies, 'call girls'. The only time that I see a lot more LBs on their is after midnight but still not close to being the majority. Many of the 'pretties' have fake boobs and nose jobs. They also fit that stereotypical description of being 'too beautiful' which is often an ill-conceived qualifier of a LB. I've hooked up with a good 20 of this type off of there and none turned out to be LBs, and in the couple of times that I was mistaken, the lady told me right away that she was a LB before the conversation when further.
Franciscass
05-20-17, 07:33
I had lamb shank at Kiwi bar on soi8. I thought where will I go now?. I decided Crazy horse and went to the motorbike stand. I speak Thai. I asked raa kaa tao rai krab, it means how much and Krab in Thai sounds like crap in English LOL. I agreed part sib (80) baht. I arrived at CH and went in. I am well known and liked there by the mamasans and a lot of the girls. I began to check out the scene. I don't like fake noses, sillies, baby damage, untidy bushes, waist hip ratios under. 6 or over. 8. I need a V shaped butt but can settle for an A but H's and O's are turn offs for me. I prefer tear drop or round tits but bell shaped, side set or even round which I know a lot of punters prefer are not to my spec. I like my ladies to be between 25 and 30, under 48 kilos and height over 167 cm. I spend an hour there. I didn't interesting enough find anything to my spec. I thought it's getting late. I decided to go back to my girlfriend but she was not in the mood. I don't understand why she doesn't seem to like sex with me that much. I do take a while to come but I am a good lover even if some ladies are scared when they see my big dick. I decided to post this before I went to sleep.
Gannaton48
05-20-17, 07:39
Let me ask again: is this famous place now really closed? If so, where do all these freelancers go now, where are they to be found?
Let me ask again: is this famous place now really closed? If so, where do all these freelancers go now, where are they to be found?It was open last night, although there is not a lot, if any, talent there these days. Lots of the FLs have migrated to Hillary 2. Unfortunately the music is very loud and not at all to my taste.
Mumbai Guy
05-20-17, 10:57
I read here sometime back that Climax is closing down for renovation. I wonder what is the current status. Can anyone throw some light? I am visiting BKK soon and have had a few nice pick ups from that place.
GasolineFire
05-20-17, 13:16
Hi guys,
Just wanted to introduce myself, long time viewer first time contributor. Have spent many times over the last 20 odd years in the LOS and around SEA. Have for a long time kept an eye on the forums for up-to-date information on girls and venues. Heading back in a couple of months, always spend a couple of nights each time in BKK before heading up country, and on the way out, have generally stayed away from Nana and PP as have a few long timers at Cowboy always been good to me, including a regular at Crazy House for the last couple of years who never fails to disappoint. Always enjoy the updates and am aware of many of the ladies mentioned in the forum, but have for no reason other than privacy kept quiet. Shall do my best to contribute.
I read here sometime back that Climax is closing down for renovation. I wonder what is the current status. Can anyone throw some light? I am visiting BKK soon and have had a few nice pick ups from that place.It's currently closed, not sure when it is to open again.
Member #4591
05-20-17, 14:09
I've got the manager's number and will post when it reopens. We talk often.
Member #4591
05-20-17, 14:15
Let me ask again: is this famous place now really closed? If so, where do all these freelancers go now, where are they to be found?Just about to every other bar in the lower Suk area.
Wanted a massage with extras. Walked down Soi 22 to scope out all the massage ladies. Not much talent so got bored with that. Tired from running errands all day, headed back to my condo on suk 15. Fired up wechat figuring one of the massage shops nearby has something. Nothing nearby that looked good. But because I opened the app, it resulted in 2 freelancers messaging me. The first one had a status message of "100% deaf girl. " We chat, only the real basics about meeting up and such. She sends me an image of the inside of a restaurant on Soi 5 (nobody in the picture). I tell her to come to my place. At which point she says she "need money. " So I video called, remembering advice on this forum to scope out the goods on video and not go by profile pictures. Answered but no video. Called again, no answer. Started browsing nearby and saw a second profile with the same exact status of "100% deaf girl" but different pictures. Figured it was a money-send scam and reported her for fraud to wechat. She later video calls me and it turns out it really is her, but a little less cute than in the pictures. Still do-able. She says how much, I say 2500 and she arrives very soon (10 minutes), sending pictures of various buildings along the way.
She arrives, and reasonably cute. Not rather cute as she was looking in her profile pictures (decent cleavage, slim and cute face, not too tan), which must have been older or shopped as she was slightly heavier and more tan. I never gave her the deaf test (like shouting behind her or something LOL). She doesn't understand how to read basic english, she was translating everything on google translate and continued to do this in the room. Just to break a little ice we chatted on our phones for like 3-4 lines, this didn't go on for very long at all. It was pretty nice throughout the hour, the peace and quiet. If she was pretending to be deaf, she's doing it right.
We both showered, separately, she gave me a massage as agreed upon. Body was good, no pregnancies and OK natural tits, but she is short, tan and not fit / muscular so kind of skinny / fat which I'm not really into so overall not my type but OK body. Obviously not licensed massage therapist but relaxing enough. Make out, typical foreplay (BBBJ and FIV). While doing foreplay she gave me the old brief STD lookover of my pork sword. Safe to say, the meat passed inspection. I get ontop of her and start knocking on her door with my big bad wolf. Proceed to enter the house. She moaned about as normal as any girl, not like a retard voice as some deaf people have. Which makes me wonder if she was really deaf haha. Multiple positions, not a very experienced girl, just very passive but submissive. BBFSCOB.
Franciscass
05-20-17, 17:05
I woke up this morning at about 7.50. I looked at my girlfriend and wondered could I wake her and have some morning glory but decided not to. I opened the laptop to see what was happening on ISG. I know everything about what is happening but sometimes not often but sometimes somebody posts some good new news that I am not aware of. I have to tell you I hate the shit dumpers. I love to share my knowledge with my fellow mongers and I know they like to hear from me and it makes me feel good when they tell me so. I have some cornflakes and bananas for breakfast. I like cornflakes and bananas. I think they are healthy and if the bananas are just at their ripest they are very tasty. I speak Thai and the word for banana is kluay. I am going to be a little naughty. I have to tell you Pom mee kluay yai maak means I have a huge banana 555 LOL. I look at my watch. I see it is nearly 10. I know the oilies are open so after I shower I head down to Phrom Pong to check out if any of my favorites are on duty. I find recently I keep going back to my favorites as there are so few new arrivals that match my specs. I used to have 9 or 11 favorites now I have only 3 or 4. I keep in touch with some who have left the scene for different reasons and they tell me they still miss me. I get the BTS to Phrom Pong. I know the girls will get so excited when they see me. I am a good tipper. I am also a good customer. I check my watch. I see it is nearly midday. I have a cup of tea in Emporium and decide to send this post.
Uncle Volodya
05-20-17, 22:50
I read here sometime back that Climax is closing down for renovation. I wonder what is the current status. Can anyone throw some light? I am visiting BKK soon and have had a few nice pick ups from that place.That is good news that they are renovating. The place was a fire trap before. Maybe they will attract more good lookign girls in the future too. As Lucifer seems to have done in Pattaya. Hopefully it will be open again in August when I am back in LOS.
FormulaOneFan
05-20-17, 23:40
Arrived very late Thursday evening / Friday morning and had arranged to have my FL from Thermae from last trip meet me at my hotel when I arrived (230 am). She rolled up just as I was finished checking in so I could walk her upstairs after the compulsory ID card copy (Mercure Grand Residence Soi19). Room was nice and the action started well. She was as cute as I remembered from last trip and the GFE that I built up held up. Of course over Whatsapp she says she 'loves me' and 'missed me' but I know she's a working girl, so whatever. Anyway, I had asked her to stay with me a few nights and she showed up with a packed bag. The first evening to say the least was eventful and we got to know each other again quite well.
Friday. I had to 'work' for a few hours in the afternoon. Meaning I had to meet a colleague to discuss our work strategy for the next week and then I killed a few hours by going to Eden Club for a diversion from my live-in FL. Had a very nice session with 2 girls whose names I have idea what they were, but were both from the 'right' side of the line; I chose the first girl completely on looks / body. Her face was a 6-7, but her body was a solid 8-9 - slim, natural Bee cup breasts with baby, but minimal damage (slight scar but no belly or major stretch marks). She chose a slightly bigger girl with natural Cee cups and a bit of a tummy, but a pretty face and a solid performer in the room. After an SOP shower I got a double BJ with as rimming from the bigger girl that ended up in 69 with the slim one, and then proceeded to fuck the skinny one doggy until I lost my load. They cleaned me up and then proceeded to the 'lesbian show' which really was the skinny girl giving me a BJ while the other one rammed her with a strapon dildo. This lasted for a few minutes before I told the bigger girl I wanted to fuck her doggie. After that I fucked the skinny girl mission for a while, the dooggy again with the other girl slapping my ass and making out with me until I couldn't hold it anymore. We had a bit of time left so while the skinny girl showered I made out with the other girl and tried to get her to open up to DATY, but she was not having it. I fucked her for about 10 more minutes until it was time to shower up and call it a day. I got back to my room and my visiting FL had slept all afternoon and was showered and ready for another round. We made the best of my aborted third shot at Eden before cleaning up for dinner. After dinner we hit Levels on Soi11 and danced until 3 am and then retired to the room for another round of fucking.
Saturday. Woke up around noon well rested and horny. Had a nice playful morning session before cleaning up and eating at terminal 21, and then going bowling of all things somewere on Ratchada Road. First time I've done anything with balls there that didn't invovle a soapy! It was really fun actually. She's a working girl but she's fun to be around even with a pretty strong language barrier. Went back to the room afterwards and had a nice afternoon delight before dozing for a bit before dinner. I had made reservations at a couple of places for 8/830 but we slept too late to make those, so we went to cabbages and condoms before heading to Onyx for the night. We got a table and a bottle of Goose and proceeded to dance the night away. At least until she got way to drunk and I had to babysit the drunk FL in the cab and at the hotel. Luckily she didn't puke in the cab, but at the hotel was a wreck! So much for post-party sexy time tonight! I got her squared away and out of the woods and put her to bed after about an hour of puking / dry heaving and lots of "sorry baby", and then decided it was too early (3 am) to call it a night. I took a couple of laps around the now closing / closed Soi Cowboy and surrounding areas looking for something to take to a ST hotel, but wow, it was 90% ladyboys, and the girls that were real girls were either 'headed somewhere' or fugly. Oh well, I had a couple of beers at the side bar just south of Soi Cowby and chatted with one of the guys that works there. He tipped me off that the old guy sitting at the bar groping the 'girl' he was with was actually groping a ladyboy. We had a chuckle about that and I headed back to my hotel to make sure that my FL was OK (she was).
I tried to sleep but the caffeine I drank earlier at Onyx (vodka + pepsi) is keeping me awake.
Tomorrow is another day and I'm guessing that my FL is going to have one hell of a hangover. Not all that optimistic about a morning recovery, but I have I told her I have to 'work' in the afternoon, so plan on hitting tulip or mango for another PSE double feature in the early afternoon and possibly some other venue for some variety.
I head to Pattaya on Monday for a night or three for a change of scenery, and then back to BKK for 2-3 nights before I fly back to the states.
Neil Patrick
05-21-17, 14:37
I'm planning my 3rd trip to LOS within a couple of weeks. I usually try to spend around 5 nights in Pattaya and 2 nights in Bangkok. During my last two trips I had a great time at Climax. I haven't had a chance to check out other places than Thermae. I didn't have much luck at Thermae as I am brown skinned and usually mistaken for Indian or a darker skinned Thai.
In your opinion what are the other alternatives that I could try given that Climax is now gone?
Member #4591
05-22-17, 20:25
I'm planning my 3rd trip to LOS within a couple of weeks. I usually try to spend around 5 nights in Pattaya and 2 nights in Bangkok. During my last two trips I had a great time at Climax. I haven't had a chance to check out other places than Thermae. I didn't have much luck at Thermae as I am brown skinned and usually mistaken for Indian or a darker skinned Thai.
In your opinion what are the other alternatives that I could try given that Climax is now gone?Insanity night club across the street from Thermae. Mix club at the intercontinental hotel across from Central World. Hillary bars on Soi 4. Levels on Soi 11. Sugar Club on Soi 11. The list is endless. I could go further but.
Neil Patrick
05-22-17, 21:17
Insanity night club across the street from Thermae. Mix club at the intercontinental hotel across from Central World. Hillary bars on Soi 4. Levels on Soi 11. Sugar Club on Soi 11. The list is endless. I could go further but.That should be more than enough to keep me busy. Thanks a lot for that!
Mix club at the intercontinental hotel across from Central World. .If you have dark skin, this is the best option. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting an Indian dude in that place.
Member #4591
05-23-17, 05:53
Went there last night and the talent was excellent. Mostly all white skinned and young. Picked a young 20 year old with big breasts and braces, very cute. Had a few drinks at 110 per Heineken. Much cheaper than Sukhumvit normally. We snuggled up together at the table while I was fingering her. She was getting very hot and starting stroking me. All of a sudden her head disappeared under the table and she unzipped my fly. I couldn't believe she started to give me head right there in the bar. It was after 2 AM and we were sitting in a back corner. Very few customers around. It was only for about 2 minutes but one hell of a thrill for me. Anyways normally this place asks for all the money upfront bu this time I just paid them 500 Baht for the girl and paid my drink bill. I couldn't wait to get this one home. Nice see cup tits and a round ass for me to play with. We started out in missionary but I could tell I was hurting her a little. I'm really just normal size but she held up her pinky finger and said Khun Thai. I just laughed and tried to go slowly for her. Because of this, cow girl didn't work out to well so I flipped her over and finished BB doggy. What a thrill for me to do this young 20 year old with braces. Other than her complaint about some slight pain, it was a good encounter with a young girl with little to no inhibitions. She was really drunk so that must have helped.
Uncle Volodya
05-23-17, 07:40
Went there last night and the talent was excellent. Mostly all white skinned and young. Picked a young 20 year old with big breasts and braces, very cute. Had a few drinks at 110 per Heineken. Much cheaper than Sukhumvit normally. We snuggled up together at the table while I was fingering her. She was getting very hot and starting stroking me. All of a sudden her head disappeared under the table and she unzipped my fly. I couldn't believe she started to give me head right there in the bar. It was after 2 AM and we were sitting in a back corner. Very few customers around. It was only for about 2 minutes but one hell of a thrill for me. Anyways normally this place asks for all the money upfront bu this time I just paid them 500 Baht for the girl and paid my drink bill. I couldn't wait to get this one home. Nice see cup tits and a round ass for me to play with. We started out in missionary but I could tell I was hurting her a little. I'm really just normal size but she held up her pinky finger and said Khun Thai. I just laughed and tried to go slowly for her. Because of this, cow girl didn't work out to well so I flipped her over and finished BB doggy. What a thrill for me to do this young 20 year old with braces. Other than her complaint about some slight pain, it was a good encounter with a young girl with little to no inhibitions. She was really drunk so that must have helped.Awesome stuff!
Nice to see a report off the beaten track. How good does your Thai have to be for you to have success out there?
Franciscass
05-23-17, 12:52
I was sipping a tea at the Oriental in the Emporium reading an article in the Economist on artificial intelligence. I looked at my watch it was mid afternoon. I had been up and down 24, 26 even 33 where I rarely venture. I must have visited 10 or 12 shops but found nothing to my spec. I saw a few new faces but all were lacking in one way or another. I smiled at some who knew me from previous sessions and I could see the disappointment when I left without heading upstairs with them. I began thinking about my specs and how it limits my choices. I thought for example fake noses are a big turn off for me and something a friend told me came to mind. I remember him saying Francis it's not fake noises that bothers you, no it's badly done fake noses that is the problem bro. I said how so and he said simple because if the procedure is well done you won't know the girl has a fake nose she will most likely look better than before. I began thinking about this because I think my obsession with fake noses is getting a little out of hand. I sometimes think I notice a fake nose and then up-close I realize it's not a fake nose. I feel I am going to have to get a grip on this before it really gets out of control. I might need some help.
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