Bangkok Reports

[HorneeFalang]

This is 100% accurate in my dealings and observations. I can report however that some fine looking young things from around where I live (North Isan) are very keen to work in Beachside locations for a short period. My research shows the reason / s they want to do this is to have some fun, earn a little cash and maybe jag a rich Farang. But not do the work long. A lot of these fine young things don't need to travel out of Isan to get 1,000 THB for doing the job. Many Thai man are prepared to pay the beauties. As they say "Mai Pen Rai" can work in Big see and have papa pay me for fun extra. Same with Uni students. Many will sideline when they need extra funds for the scooter, phone or boyfriend. No need to work in the Go Go or Bars for a long duration.

[ParkVille]

Many thanks for the clarifications guys! Your feedback is helping me pull the trigger to a Thailand trip later this year.

I'm really happy to hear that ST is really closer to 2 hours. That really changes my math and makes my decision so much easier. From reading lots of posts in the Thailand forums, I somehow got the impression that it was commonplace for girls to bolt after the first pop in ST to try to get back to the club as quickly as possible to make their next ST. But from what you guys are saying, this bolting after the first pop appears to be the exception and not the norm.

Thanks!It is the norm for them to bolt if it's a short time room. I don't have a lot of experience bringing girls over for ST, but they will always prefer to leave after the first pop, always. You really, really need to confirm a full two hours, and the exact time they are to leave. Most Bangkok gogo girls I find are very eager to get back to their money making machine.

[Franciscass]

A better concept is make barfine 1000 baht or whatever amount. If a customer orders 1000 baht in lady drinks then barfine is zero. If they order 600 baht lady drinks barfine is 400 baht.Good idea for the punter, not sure about the bar owner. Operationally while possibly problematic initially in implementation it's not that complicated and definitely workable.

Does it benefit the trade to make the change? I have my doubts. The first bar would most certainly gain a first mover advantage. However over time if it was seen to be working others would follow removing that advantage.

You could argue that it would make go go's more popular with increased traffic from punters that normally stay away because they don't like the bar fine part of the deal.

Also I can see gains in the customer drinks segment as customers would presumably stay longer to get their lady drinks tab to where it covers the bar fine but would this offset the net loss from the lady drinks plus barfine price model?

While I would love to see the change I won't be holding my breath for it to become the norm anytime soon.

[Nympholepsy]

Many thanks for the clarifications guys! Your feedback is helping me pull the trigger to a Thailand trip later this year.

I'm really happy to hear that ST is really closer to 2 hours. That really changes my math and makes my decision so much easier. From reading lots of posts in the Thailand forums, I somehow got the impression that it was commonplace for girls to bolt after the first pop in ST to try to get back to the club as quickly as possible to make their next ST. But from what you guys are saying, this bolting after the first pop appears to be the exception and not the norm.

Thanks!You Happy,

Look it varies by personality of the girl a lot and by what you negotiate, and how much she likes you. Definitely some bar girls are bolters that will not go over 1 hour if you did not negotiate something longer. Some girls will be trying to get away with 30 min quickie. Many bar girls were seen to go with a customer and return in less than 30 minutes, from a short time room.

I never get done in less than 1 hour and generally take 90 minutes on days that the ST Hotel is quiet, sometimes longer, however girls do start complaining "When are you going to cum? If taking a very long time. Very irritating.

Most bargirls are expecting to give one pop only I believe. If you want more, you should raise the issue with them. If you want more than 90 minutes, might be worth discussing that too. I had a freelance girl that was on a pretty good deal, getting more than normal for 90 minute sessions. When I went over 90 minutes one, day, she complained and pleaded for extra money (probably was broke), but I thought she was well paid already. So did not give what she asked for (too much). Put me off her really, She never haggled about the money so much previously. Haven't done her again recently. She was a good fuck but not really that pretty.

If you go in expecting 2 hours multi-pop with every Bangkok bargirl, you are going to get a rude shock. Only a percentage of them will give a really good time, and they are not pornstars.

[UsaInEurope]

A bit about me. Many guys seem to just want the cheapest sex possible. I'm wanting more of an upscale place, an experience, something to remember. I don't really have a budget and think that even the most expensive thing in Bangkok isn't really expensive (vs. A $800/ hour NYC escort). I'm not bragging at all- just want to share so if you are looking for a different experience then you can ignore.

Anyway- have been in BKK 2 days for business. Finally snuck out late afternoon on Friday. I read 100 pages back and really wanted a soapy massage. I'm right on Sukhumvit and seemed to have easy access to girl central station. I'm really unimpressed. The girls hanging outside the massage parlors are old, or decrepit, or paunchy, or just not attractive. Most have bad teeth. The places don't look so great, either. OK. I've done the massage parlor thing (love it in Vegas- BBFS if you give HER a massage at first. And in Shanghai where she straps you in a chair, ass in the air, and tongues away). But I haven't been to a BJ bar. So I read the review for Kasalong that told me where to find it. I imagined an actual bar with guys sitting around, girls with tits out, drinking, having fun, maybe a cock out, ready for a BJ there or elsewhere. Boy was I wrong. A throng of see-minus girls outside, a bitter "bartender" inside and 2 empty see-shaped nasty couches. OK, I need to get off and I haven't experienced this before, so what the hell.

I know to treat a girl to a drink, talk to her, etc. I offer her a beer and she buys it but doesn't drink it. Talk to her, no English. Same with the rest of them. The girl whose beer I bought I was not interested in. So she took me outside and I picked the most Thai one- Dao. Blondish hair, a bit thick (which I Love), the best teeth of the bunch (still a 6/10).

Sat on a couch awkwardly and tried to loosen her up. At least she didn't ask 5 seconds "upstairs?" like the first one. So we hand-roamed a bit but she was obviously waiting for me to want to get it over with. Fine. It's under $20 so just get it over with then I can say I've done a BKK BJ bar.

We go upstairs and it's just so mechanical. She washes my dick off in a sink with cold water. That's odd. Then I take off my shorts and sit down on a towel. She takes off her top and her tummy is a bit more than the shirt led on, but she has nice thick tight thighs, good butt, and tiny perky breasts with long hard nipples. Half a handful but turned me on incredibly. She actually gives a very good BJ- tongue flicks got me hard. Ball sucking was so soft and careful (usually I hate that because it just hurts) I almost came without manipulation. I was able to hold off and she gave a wet and warm BJ with no teeth and her hand stroking me. She let me take her hand away so it was all mouth with a hand caressing my balls, and her other one under my balls and me playing with her titties. I came hard and even before I was done she pulled away and put it in a towel then sucked the rest. OK, it's been 3 days. Shoot me.

I wouldn't go back. No atmosphere, not a great "experience." But to get a great BJ for under $20 (albeit in a dirty / unsanitary looking place) I guess it's ok. I tipped her another $85 as my bill was $915 and I gave her the change.

[Dive Monger]

Thanks to the information on the forum, and some great responses from some members I PM'd here, I had a pretty good trip. So. Time to pay back with trip reports. Part 1 here is my first night in Bangkok, the other nights where in Pattaya and will continue on the Pattaya forum.

OK, feel free to tsk-tsk me. Made obvious careless errors in my excitement. I was there the second week of June.

So I snuck in a LOS bolt-on few days to a business trip at the last minute. Didn't make a lot of detailed plans, it was very spur-of-the-moment. Having been to Thailand many times in the last 3 decades I figured "What could possibly go wrong?" LOL. Well, times have changed. Its been six years since I've been there. So here is Part 1 of my report.

Flew into DMK on Air Asia (it was really cheap) and took the A1 bus from DMK to Mo Chit (Chatuchak Park MRT station also) as recommended on the forum here. Cheap, just 30 baht. Grabbed the MRT (the escalators are easier than the BTS with luggage, but BTS is also right there) and rolled down to Sukhumvit, another 33 baht. If you arrive between 7 AM and 11 PM, I would recommend this as the best way to get there from DMK. Up the escalators, out the door and around the corner and you are in the hotel.

Stayed at South Sukhumvit Suites hotel, mainly for convenience. My plan was to just spend one night in Bangkok (needed to take care of something there) and then head down to Pattaya for a few days are&are. The hotel is right at ground zero, around the corner from Soi Cowboy. Girl friendly, they call when she leaves your room, etc. The usual. Rates are on the high side, but room is excellent, staff is great, internet is fast and reliable, so I was set. Had booked it on my phone from the airport just as I was coming to Bangkok earlier that day.

Got organized, then ran out and took care of money exchange (Vasu on Sukhumvit has the best rates) and then prepared to grab some eats and then party time. Ate at some local place on Soi 23 - decent and cheap. With lots of Soi Cowboy girls in the various food establishments around there getting ready for their night.

Took a walk through, and not much change from six years ago, other than the fact that a high percentage of Thai girls are now what I call fat (many of you may prefer the bigger tits and thighs though, I prefer the classic tiny slender look myself. YMMV) and most are covered with tattoos. Damn, they look like a graffiti wall in the ghetto. Not my cup of tea, but some prefer that. Whatever.

So I looked into Baccara and like last time, nothing sparked my interest. Peeked into a few others, and ended up sitting in my old standby Suzie Wong. Tried to hunt down the gal I had six years ago, but in this business that is a long long time and no one even remembered her. A few halfway decent gals, I bought a couple of drinks (including for mama, which I often do) but after an hour or two I just figured it was time to move on. Stopped for a drink in like two other places, can't even recall their names anymore, and walked past Long Gun. Verified it is still the wildest place in Cowboy, with full nudity, pussy shows, the works. Reminiscent of old Pat Pong decades ago. And decided what the fuck. Haven't watched pussy shows in like 15 years, I'll check it out.

So I went in and the selection of talent was large, with at least half a dozen fitting my criteria. Ended up with a very very cute gal 'Lena', mid-20's, who was super affectionate, some English, nice figure, good hair, all good. Ended up spending like 2-3 hours drinking and watching the shows, bought additional drinks for one or two others that I liked, it was all great fun. Until.

I told my gal I want to barfine her and she go to my hotel with me, and she gets squirrelled. First newbie mistake: before the second drink or any significant time or financial investment in the bar, always make sure the gal goes with customers. I did validate with another girl when she was on stage that my girl did go with customers, but not always with any customer. Second mistake: when things seem to be going well, verify that she will come with you later. Now arrogantly, I consider my game good enough that a provider will come with me if she comes with anyone. LOL. I got a comeuppance that night! Maybe it is because she was young and cute, and I am fat and older than dirt, but whatever. So. Turns out she will not come with me that night. She tries finding me other company, but at this time I was already getting an attitude (my bad). So I paid my tab and walked out. Fuck this bullshit.

It was getting late, but I wanted company so I went to Tilac down the street; decent lineup, and the door girl was excellent. Dumb mistake #3: door girls who are not dancing on stage don't go with customers for whatever reason. I bought this gal a drink, and asked her if she barfines, and when she confirmed she did not, I then discussed what I was looking for and she helped me find another gal in the bar that fit my specifications. I went through the drink&interview process for two of them, but in the end I paid for the drinks and stalked out all pissed off. Everyone that fit the most important criteria (petite, slender, long black hair, attractive) failed the other criteria (no or very few and small tattoos, no silicone tits, no oddball facial piercings). Once they validated that the minimum is 2000ST /4000 LT, that trashed the deal. For that kind of money, I want what I want, and will not settle for less.

I said fuck all this noise, I'm heading to Pattaya tomorrow, and I went back to my hotel and crashed (instead of heading over to Nana for the late night bar-closing FL scene). My plan was to get a good rest, and hit the ground in top form in Pattaya. And hopefully my attitude would significantly improve. Verdict: Bangkok (and probably me as well) are not what it once was.

Part 2 continued in the Pattaya Reports forum.

[Gannaton48]

That's a understatement the last sentence. You esp. Notice when you see some of the European GF's / wives / tourists walking around in Thailand. Shocking the difference.

I am back in Thai in 3 weeks and I am going to try your theory of 'older' woman. Last time (1st time) I literally only picked new farm girls as I thought with my age it would be better to relate or so (sometimes you aren't clear thinking there with the heat and all) but the sex was def. Way off a good level. Yes they were fun to hang out with but very average on the other level with all the shyness it involves and all. I'll be back in a few with my findings.Thanks for this comment. I will be there early September, so happy to read your experiences. I am not young, but that's not the reason I like these beergarden "older" women. I ma not (have never been) into PSE sex, let's say just "fuck" is not my thing. I like to be with a nice person, has'nt to be the perfect body without kids many punters here are desperately looking for. It come (very irregularly because not private trips) to BKK since 30 years. I have been with a and umber of thai girls / ladies, whether from beergarden, Thermae, gogos (few) or soapies. To tell the truth, I have never met a thai girl really into sex. 30 years ago, it was even very difficult to get a BJ, was a "cultural" probblem. Today it's much easier, of course, but for me who likes oral sex and specially CIM, it is still not easy. From my experiences thai women are not engaging into sex (at least the differenty pros) as compared with brazilian girls who give much better service. But. I like the thin asiatic bodies and their natural kindness. So "normal" sex with a nice person is my thing (preferably FLs). Each of us has his preferences, luckily!

[SearcherMan]

Thanks for this comment. I will be there early September, so happy to read your experiences. I am not young, but that's not the reason I like these beergarden "older" women. I ma not (have never been) into PSE sex, let's say just "fuck" is not my thing. I like to be with a nice person, has'nt to be the perfect body without kids many punters here are desperately looking for. It come (very irregularly because not private trips) to BKK since 30 years. I have been with a and umber of thai girls / ladies, whether from beergarden, Thermae, gogos (few) or soapies. To tell the truth, I have never met a thai girl really into sex. 30 years ago, it was even very difficult to get a BJ, was a "cultural" probblem. Today it's much easier, of course, but for me who likes oral sex and specially CIM, it is still not easy. From my experiences thai women are not engaging into sex (at least the differenty pros) as compared with brazilian girls who give much better service. But. I like the thin asiatic bodies and their natural kindness. So "normal" sex with a nice person is my thing (preferably FLs). Each of us has his preferences, luckily!I am of the same mind. Too bad I didn't check out the BKK beer bar scene enough. PSE sex works for the first few days, but settling in with a mature MILF was also my pattern on my recently concluded foray to LOS.

I was in such a bar last week when young bucks walked by, maybe US / UK military on liberty. Those beer bar MILFs yelled out for them, uncharacteristically. I wanted to run out to those dudes and due them a solid, grab them by the collar and tell them not to pass up such quality of women that want to fuck them that much.

[AskeAske]

You Happy,

If you go in expecting 2 hours multi-pop with every Bangkok bargirl, you are going to get a rude shock. Only a percentage of them will give a really good time, and they are not pornstars.Thats why I always take LT. Most of my mongering is in Cambodia. No problem there. Many beautiful girl, not to expensive. 10 dollar BF and 30 or 40 dollar for LT.

Sometimes I have a stopover in Bangkok. I love Bangkok. Last time I arrived with the bus 7. Pm. I went to Suhkumvit Station and walked to soi 8. Many beautiful FL on the road. I chose a cheap guesthose, 1. 000 baht for the night. I wanted a massage, but when I came to my favorite place, I changed my mind. Why not take a girl for all the night. No reason to go find FL, as I usualy do. I asked if any of the girls wanted go with me for the night. 4 of them was ready. Price was 5. 000. Maybe a little expensive. Normal I can find a LT for half or even 2. 000, but I was lazy.

Out of the four women, there was a very beautiful one. Not young, but very pretty. Of course I chose her. 35 years old. One child, but a very perfect body, with no damage. More important, so cute and friendly. So sexy and later so horny. Lucky me.

We was together for 10 hour. I had to take taxi to the airport 6. Am. In that 10 hour we slept 2 hour, talked and eat 2 hour. For the 6 hour, we fucked. She was GFE and PSE same time.

Why take a boring young gogo girl, when you can have so great sex with a more experienced women. We both enjoyed the sex. She was really up for a little spanking. She got so horny. What a joy.

Very selldom I do a take contact information to a women in Bangkok, but this time I did. Next time I ask her again.

Life is good. You can find gems. Just look.

[Dive Monger]

Thanks for this comment. I will be there early September, so happy to read your experiences. I am not young, but that's not the reason I like these beergarden "older" women. I ma not (have never been) into PSE sex, let's say just "fuck" is not my thing. I like to be with a nice person, has'nt to be the perfect body without kids many punters here are desperately looking for. It come (very irregularly because not private trips) to BKK since 30 years. I have been with a and umber of thai girls / ladies, whether from beergarden, Thermae, gogos (few) or soapies. To tell the truth, I have never met a thai girl really into sex. 30 years ago, it was even very difficult to get a BJ, was a "cultural" probblem. Today it's much easier, of course, but for me who likes oral sex and specially CIM, it is still not easy. From my experiences thai women are not engaging into sex (at least the differenty pros) as compared with brazilian girls who give much better service. But. I like the thin asiatic bodies and their natural kindness. So "normal" sex with a nice person is my thing (preferably FLs). Each of us has his preferences, luckily!Gannaton48,

It seems we are of a mind here. This trip, both in BKK when I returned (will post after I do my Pattaya reports) and also in Pattaya I took ladies aged 35-43, and every single one of them was fantastic. We all look for PSE in a GFE package, but as I get older the PSE part becomes less important and the GFE component more so. Nest time I'm in town, I'll swing by the beer garden; hardly seems worth it to do the go-gos in Soi Cowboy anymore.

[Member #4698]

Hey Natty, Thanks for the advise on Grand Hyatt.

I understand that Spasso is in Grand Hyatt and hence my interests in the hotel.

I have RTFF and my following questions

1. Is Mixx about the same type of scene as Spasso? I assume it it a bunch of reasonable to good looking FL?

2. Is Mixx located close to Spasso?
As you know, Spasso is a FL pick up bar in the basement of the Grand Hyatt. Girls who come here are mostly Thai, nicely attired & coiffed, speak English fairly well, and are on average between the ages of 27 and 37. The accepted price is between 4000 baht and 5000 baht for ST. I have never had a Spasso girl that was in a hurry to leave. They have all been very nice girls or should I say ladies. 555. The best time to come here is Thurs, Friday, and Saturday night between 11 pm to 1 am. The last Friday of every month is special theme night. When I was last there it was Cowboy and Indian night with some very attractive Thai girls, working for the bar, dressed appropriately. These girls were not FL's, but most if not all the girls sitting or standing around with a drink in their hand are FL and here for takeout.

Mixx is in the basement of the Intercontinental across the street from the Grand Hyatt. A lot of Spasso girls migrate over to Mixx later in the night after Spasso closes its doors if they have had no luck. The makeup of Mixx girls is more varied the Spasso. There is a larger percentage of imports in Mixx and a significant presence of non P4 P girls. The price for Mixx FL's starts at 4000 baht, but the sky is the limit depending on the girl, what she thinks of herself, and her ethnicity. The non P4P girls are there to have a good time. If you got game, some charm, can dance, and are willling to buy a bottle; they can be had, but not for a fee.

As I wrote previously in the Hotel thread, I like to stay in the neighborhood for a couple of nights per trip just so I can have a little fun in Patpong early and later on in Spasso & Mixx. A typical Thursday or Friday night for me starts out in Patpong around 8:30 pm. I really like Kings Castle 1 & 2. At present, there are a lot of very pretty girls in these two bars making these two Go Go's very competitive IMHO with my favorite Nana and Cowboy Go Go's. KC Barfines are all over the place. I think there are 5 different barfine levels starting out at 500 baht and going up to 1800 baht for their top Agency girls. It is easy to tell the 500 baht barfine girls from the 1800 baht barfine girls, but not so easy to tell a 1400 baht barfiner from an 1800-baht barfiner. On the two consecutive nights that I last paid a visit, I barfined a different girl each night. They were both 1800 barfine girls. They both looked real good to me and as for their service; one girl was in my top 5/ the other girl was in my top 10 girls of my whole trip. Enough said. I went to Spasso later after I was finished with my honeys, but did not take any Spasso girl this last trip. So, I am looking forward to going back and spending more time in Kings Castle both 1 & 2 and checking out Spasso.

TIP: if you start out the evening at Patpong and find a girl you like, barfine her. Don't hold off because of what you think you might find in Spasso later. A sexy cute Thai bird in your hand is worth two or three in the bush.

Back to my typical night out in the neighborhood: if by 11 pm I have not found Miss Right in the several Patpong bars I like to frequent, King's Castle 1 & 2, Badabing, and Electric Blue; then it is time to head to Spasso. At 11 pm on a Thursday, Friday, or Saturday night Spasso is usually going strong with plenty of FL's and unfortunately an almost equal number of sausages. Yes, it is a sausage fest. I don't know where these guys come from, but they are always there. Additionally, it is roughly a 50/50 split between NE Asians and Westerner sausages and some of these guys are wearing fucking sportscoats. Unbelievable! Me, I am dressed up wearing a collared, short sleeve, polo shirt ie an informal golf shirt and fresh laundered jeans. That is me in dress up mode. LOL. In any case, despite the male customer turnout, there are plenty of girls to choose from and they ALL want to make your acquaintance. There is none of that Thermae bull crap going on here although these FL's are older than the Thermae crowd, but better dressed, better educated, and many holding their own nicely. I usually flirt with a couple of the prettier girls and if I like one I let the conversation eventually get around to what everybody came for. My night is usually all set after spending an hour in Spasso.

But once in a while when I can't find what I am looking for and it is around 1 am, then I feel it is time to head over to Mixx. On other nights, I may have just said goodbye to my Patpong girl and put her in a taxi, so I wonder over to Mixx to see what's up. I am usually not disappointed. For some reason this bar, or Discotheque, or whatever you want to call it attracts some very sexy girls both out of towners as well as the local FL talent. The bar opens at 9 pm, but the best time to come here is between 12:30 am to 1 am and the place keeps going strong until way past 3:30 am.

In summary:

Patpong - Kings Castle 1 & 2, Badabing, Electric Blue - 8:30 to 11 pm.
Spasso - 11 pm to 1 am.
Mixx - 1 am until 3:30am although the joint does not close its doors until at least 4 or 5am on weekends.

[Member #4698]

3. My plan is to do a Smooci girl in the afternoon after a few hours of sleep. I arrive early morning after a long flight. Hit Spasso in the evening (I arrive on a Sat) and hopefully score a lady with great looks (I hope both I and she will be interested in LT). Wake up on Sun and let the Spasso lady blow me before I head out for breakfast. Sunday. Hit a MP (not sure which one, I have been to Bamboo and Snow White and I liked both but I may try a different MP). Have one of my regulars come and see me in the evening. Be with her Sunday night and hang out with her on Monday and do her Monday night too. Anyway, my question / s is twofold: what do you think of my plan and how would your plan look like for three nights?
Kirsia, things always go a little different in BKK once you arrive than how you planned it back home and that is a good thing.

I have never played the escort card anywhere. So, I am the wrong guy to ask about Smooci. I prefer to meet my girls in person first and then decide if I want to shag them. Some of those Smooci girls look good to me, but I hear the photos can be old. Still, it's your adventure, so do what you like.

In my last post, I wrote about how I like to spend my evenings in this neck of the woods. I like the Go Go's and highly recommend the two Kings Castle bars for early action, then Spasso around midnight, and Mixx for late late. I hardly ever arrange a LT with a girl for our 1st time together. There are too many unknowns. But if I like her and want her to stay all night after the first shag, it is usually very easy to change the arrangement. Alternatively, it is just as easy and possibly more desirable to say goodnight, put her in a taxi, and head over to Mixx. Yeah, I like the 2nd option better. But that's me.

Spasso is a very different place on Sunday night. I would forget about it and head to the Go Go's or the Soapies on Sunday night. Sunday afternoon is oily massage parlor time. If you like SW, that's as good as any place, better than most for a particular level of service. There are other places with perhaps prettier girls, but less vigorous, yet equally pleasurable service. Up to You! 555.

So, have a great time. Go with the flow. Follow your bliss. AND REPORT BACK!

NB

[DubyaMan88]

In Bangkok for the last 2 days. Decided to call a Russian lady. I prefer 30 yrs – 35 yrs. They are more comfortable with their bodies and know how to give and get pleasure. Besides they are not in a hurry.

She came to my room and gave me an excellent massage, using her elbows. Looks like she was trained by an expert Thai masseuse. Then she proceeded to take off my clothes and her own. Pushed me back on the bed and told me to let her do all the work– I was happy to comply. Started with BBBJ and took me to a very pleasurable release. Was in no hurry to leave till I sent her away at midnight since I had an early morning meeting. Leaving today for Singapore.

Hope to be back in BKK next month.

[Goatscrot]

The point is thai wages have increased almost 3 fold since 2001 which is the reason for 5 k LT when it used to be 1. 5 k back in 01.

Regardless thailand still has an amazing offering as far as I am concerned. The main problem for me is Koreans taking all the hot girls.

Income inequality in the USA is also high but most Americans are too fucking stupid to know that. And it dies matter because of the USA wages had increased at the same rate as thai then 5000 BAHT would be seen as cheap.Currently the Thai Baht is overvalued due to the short term bonds the gov has been offering for the past few months. Don't think that will last so long. And I would agree that you are way off base as to what Thais earn.

Sorry dude, I don't think the rate has much to do with the cost of living here. It is all the punter. It's two week millionaires on holiday and the masses of Asian tourists. Without the later especially, ST would still be 1500 Baht. Remember, oilies and soapies are pretty much the same cost as they were 15 years ago. Also we are not fishing in the same pond as very demanding locals as we do in places like HK and Jakarta. If the mamasans in places like KPressure in Kowloon were to offer up a dark skinned gal with the map of the Northern Territories on her gut who did not perform; the locals would scream at her. The local and foreign punter here is not that demanding. When the mainlanders do invade the scene here the gals are really in for a surprise. The agency crap has also been awful for the punter. Salaries here are still very low as is the cost of living compared to most other Asian capital cities. Compare what you pay for an average Isan gal to what you get in Beijing. This morning Kitty Beijing posted some photos and some reports. They charge 700 RMB. A little over 100 USD and the gal is stunning, white skin, pink nipples, no baby, and performs. I would have no issue at all paying that in BKK for something of that quality. That is not what is on offer. And sorry, Beijing is a far more expensive city to live in than BKK and salaries are higher.

And yes the US is an awful place; that is why I left. But hey, wages never increase in developed nations like they do in developing nations.

[UltraHappy]

You Happy,

Look it varies by personality of the girl a lot and by what you negotiate, and how much she likes you. Definitely some bar girls are bolters that will not go over 1 hour if you did not negotiate something longer. Some girls will be trying to get away with 30 min quickie. Many bar girls were seen to go with a customer and return in less than 30 minutes, from a short time room.

I never get done in less than 1 hour and generally take 90 minutes on days that the ST Hotel is quiet, sometimes longer, however girls do start complaining "When are you going to cum? If taking a very long time. Very irritating.

Most bargirls are expecting to give one pop only I believe. If you want more, you should raise the issue with them. If you want more than 90 minutes, might be worth discussing that too. I had a freelance girl that was on a pretty good deal, getting more than normal for 90 minute sessions. When I went over 90 minutes one, day, she complained and pleaded for extra money (probably was broke), but I thought she was well paid already. So did not give what she asked for (too much). Put me off her really, She never haggled about the money so much previously. Haven't done her again recently. She was a good fuck but not really that pretty.

If you go in expecting 2 hours multi-pop with every Bangkok bargirl, you are going to get a rude shock. Only a percentage of them will give a really good time, and they are not pornstars.Thanks for the perspective Mr. Nympho.

OK, what if I take a gogo girl out for a ST and we spend 1 hour together. Then, I pay her for 2 more STs (or I extend the ST to LT). In this situation, am I supposed to also pay her a bigger Bar Fine since I kept her out the bar longer than originally anticipated? Or, do I just pay her her ST / LT fee?

In another scenario, let's say I take a gogo girl out for ST and I fail to negotiate the length of time. She wants to bolt after the first pop, about a half hour in. At this point, I suppose if I like her, I could offer her another ST for another hour if she finishes her first hour with me, yes? Would that be a decent strategy? In this situation, I don't need to also pay her another BF to take back to the club, right? I just pay her another ST fee.

[Syzygies]

Thanks for the perspective Mr. Nympho.

OK, what if I take a gogo girl out for a ST and we spend 1 hour together. Then, I pay her for 2 more STs (or I extend the ST to LT). In this situation, am I supposed to also pay her a bigger Bar Fine since I kept her out the bar longer than originally anticipated? Or, do I just pay her her ST / LT fee?

In another scenario, let's say I take a gogo girl out for ST and I fail to negotiate the length of time. She wants to bolt after the first pop, about a half hour in. At this point, I suppose if I like her, I could offer her another ST for another hour if she finishes her first hour with me, yes? Would that be a decent strategy? In this situation, I don't need to also pay her another BF to take back to the club, right? I just pay her another ST fee.Ha Ha! Amusing since most punters in Thailand take a very different attitude, a harder one, where they believe they are paying far too much for a bargirl already, and expect the girl to stay the whole night for just 500 to 1K Baht extra, which is really quite unreasonable, causing most top girls to be not interested in very long bookings. For good money they may change their attitude.

I suspect that certainly if you liked the girl for the initial period to the first pop, and then offered extra money to go round again, they might be into it, unless their pussy is already hurting.

It's not so applicable to me since I always take so long to get to the first pop. I have tried to offer girls extra money to stay on till morning in the past, and very few accepted, however that is a very different thing to extending a ST. Some girls just do not want to do Long Time at all.

If you managed to choose a girl with low stamina, there is little chance your extension plan is going to work. All my regular girls have good to very good stamina to fuck for a reasonably long period, but plenty of girls do not. So nothing is guaranteed.

Some bars have started to introduce rules where, a certain category of girl, perhaps Coyote type, is due back to the bar by a certain time, based on your barfine, and that due time may be unreasonably just 1 hour later. Dolls House had silly rules like this for some girls. Make sure you do not get a girl of this type. Traditionally there was only 1 barfine, and girl was not obliged to return to the bar after the ST or LT whatever it turned out to be.

[BionicMan]

I see people overthinking, making too much planning, setting a "minute by minute agenda" for their first visit to LOS.

Take it easy guys, this is not a marketing action and there is no need to make a business plan.

I understand the weeks or months before the first trip are exciting, but there is no need to overdo.

ISG is full of information to give you an idea on what you will see and find.

Get into the field and spend an evening browsing the different options, bars and gogo. Sit in a bar at nana and watch what goes on, look at the people (girls and punters) going in, out, observe the flow and see what is going on.

Don't be a target of smart girls, but still enjoy what comes on the tray.

[Smoothy]

I agree with bionicman. Once you know about the main areas like Nana and Soi Cowboy, as well as having a general idea of price, you are set. Just arrive and go with the flow.

[MrManGuy]

IMHO Bangkok has way better girls but pattaya has a much more relaxing vibe. I can't stand Bangkok.

[Wander Luster]

Maybe you are confusing Thermae with some other place? About 15 years ago Thermae was packed to the roof with lovely young girls in their twenties. OK, maybe not all of them were lovely but they were young anyway. If it ever was a famous place for the older-ish women then that must have been before my time.

There's nothing special (anymore) about Thermae. Nowadays the girls there are focused on Koreans and Japanese for the most part.Yup! You are right. The names from 15 years ago all sound the same. Maybe Annie's. But it was Thermae I went to and couldn't see any reason to return. Ever.

[Wander Luster]

A bit about me. Many guys seem to just want the cheapest sex possible. I'm wanting more of an upscale place, an experience, something to remember. I don't really have a budget and think that even the most expensive thing in Bangkok isn't really expensive (vs. A $800/ hour NYC escort). I'm not bragging at all- just want to share so if you are looking for a different experience then you can ignore.

Sat on a couch awkwardly and tried to loosen her up. At least she didn't ask 5 seconds "upstairs?" like the first one. So we hand-roamed a bit but she was obviously waiting for me to want to get it over with. Fine. It's under $20 so just get it over with then I can say I've done a BKK BJ bar.


I wouldn't go back. No atmosphere, not a great "experience." But to get a great BJ for under $20 (albeit in a dirty / unsanitary looking place) I guess it's ok. I tipped her another $85 as my bill was $915 and I gave her the change.Not sure who you are trying to impress, but this is just off them mark. What's with all the remarks about teeth? Maybe you're compulsive so that's why you can't appreciate BKK bars / message. Best if you stick with the 800 USD in USD that you mentioned. I also used to live in NYC and have the $$ to spend in BKK, but you're report is off the mark.

[Wander Luster]

I agree that Western tourists are less and less important and fewer in number. That goes for P4 P as well and will continue to be the trend. Hope the mainlanders don't start into the P4P scene here, but I am afraid they will. As far as prices and development here; that's all up in the air at the moment. It's one step forward and two steps back. Other nations in the region are viewed as more stable and some are becoming more and more friendly to foreign business and investment. And educational systems in places like Vietnam are improving rapidly. Vietnam now has the 12th best primary and secondary ed on the planet. They also have a larger population than Thailand and seem to be very serious about improving infrastructure. If Thailand is going to stay ahead in the region it needs to get it back in gear. Check out the growth rates here compared to other SE Asian nations. Not looking so hot at the moment.Dude, I've lived in VN for 16 of the past 20 months. That is insane you say "12th best primary and secondary ed on the planet". Did you get that from Fox News or a Drump mouthpiece? Education sucks there. It's not even in top 50 (how would it be better than so many western european countries for example? It is, however, true that VT graduates work super hard and can beat people from wealthy countries in their knowledge of things like computer programming for mobile. But it's a F##ing one party run country. Authoritarian system. How the F is it better than wealthy countries in asia like Korea, Japan, Singapore. And then W. Europe etc. ?

I remember this forum 15 years ago when people were careful about facts vs. BS. Sad day to see so much mis-information here.

[Wander Luster]

Currently the Thai Baht is overvalued due to the short term bonds the gov has been offering for the past few months. Don't think that will last so long. And I would agree that you are way off base as to what Thais earn.

Sorry dude, I don't think the rate has much to do with the cost of living here. It is all the punter. It's two week millionaires on holiday and the masses of Asian tourists. Without the later especially, ST would still be 1500 Baht. Remember, oilies and soapies are pretty much the same cost as they were 15 years ago. Also we are not fishing in the same pond as very demanding locals as we do in places like HK and Jakarta. If the mamasans in places like KPressure in Kowloon were to offer up a dark skinned gal with the map of the Northern Territories on her gut who did not perform; the locals would scream at her. The local and foreign punter here is not that demanding. When the mainlanders do invade the scene here the gals are really in for a surprise. The agency crap has also been awful for the punter. Salaries here are still very low as is the cost of living compared to most other Asian capital cities. Compare what you pay for an average Isan gal to what you get in Beijing. This morning Kitty Beijing

And yes the US is an awful place; that is why I left. But hey, wages never increase in developed nations like they do in developing nations.I've never been to mainland China and hope I never do. I live in Saigon and am from E Coast usa. So, what is "Kitty Beijing". In Saigon you can bone a stunner girl same as you describe for just $75. But she's VN which is far more nice than mainland China where all is just money. However, these perfect girls are escorts who don't speak English. You need to be a bit more adventuresome and also text them with BASIC VN or hire someone to translate from escort sites to meet at a hotel room. Is that the same with these wonderful Bening girls? Are they are easy to go with for someone not too familiar w / China. Let's compare apples to apples, not to oranges, for BKK.

[Dereck85]

I have been talking to a representative from celebrity providers and I found out that there are a lot of Hollywood and Bollywood celebrities who are escort but for a very large fee. Obviously I can't pay for their services because its expensive and I hear they say its a service for multimillionaires.

"Feel free to contact us at any time, and if we are unable to take your call, please send a message through the contact form and a representative will respond to you as soon as possible."

[Goatscrot]

Dude, I've lived in VN for 16 of the past 20 months. That is insane you say "12th best primary and secondary ed on the planet". Did you get that from Fox News or a Drump mouthpiece? Education sucks there. It's not even in top 50 (how would it be better than so many western european countries for example? It is, however, true that VT graduates work super hard and can beat people from wealthy countries in their knowledge of things like computer programming for mobile. But it's a F##ing one party run country. Authoritarian system. How the F is it better than wealthy countries in asia like Korea, Japan, Singapore. And then W. Europe etc. ?

I remember this forum 15 years ago when people were careful about facts vs. BS. Sad day to see so much mis-information here.Have a lot of friends that are teaching in VN now. Some for several years running. Schools are improving by leaps and bounds. And no BBC http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33047924 and OECD rankings. In fact, beating the US and OZ in test scores as well http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/will-vietnam-continue-to-beat-australia-in-education-20150720-gigaab.html.

[Mogwai]

A bit about me. Many guys seem to just want the cheapest sex possible. I'm wanting more of an upscale place, an experience, something to remember. I don't really have a budget and think that even the most expensive thing in Bangkok isn't really expensive (vs. A $800/ hour NYC escort).
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I wouldn't go back. No atmosphere, not a great "experience." But to get a great BJ for under $20 (albeit in a dirty / unsanitary looking place) I guess it's ok. I tipped her another $85 as my bill was $915 and I gave her the change.Next time you might want to try Bit Style: http://bitstylemassage.com.

It just has uhm. A bit more style. Nice clean place, good looking girls (real 7's and 8's, unlike most BJ bars), good service.

It's not really a BJ bar, you can get massage and FS there as well, but you can go there for just a BJ for 1300 Baht. It's all the way down on the price list.

I have been there 3 or 4 times now and was never disappointed.

[UsaInEurope]

Next time you might want to try Bit Style: http://bitstylemassage.com.

It just has uhm. A bit more style. Nice clean place, good looking girls (real 7's and 8's, unlike most BJ bars), good service.

It's not really a BJ bar, you can get massage and FS there as well, but you can go there for just a BJ for 1300 Baht. It's all the way down on the price list.

I have been there 3 or 4 times now and was never disappointed.Appreciate the info.

[Red Kilt]

Have a lot of friends that are teaching in VN now. Some for several years running. Schools are improving by leaps and bounds. And no BBC http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33047924 and OECD rankings. In fact, beating the US and OZ in test scores as well http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/will-vietnam-continue-to-beat-australia-in-education-20150720-gigaab.html.Nice evidence-based rejoinder Goat.

I agree with you, after having worked in both Hanoi and HCM City in support of the VN education sector for 6 months during 2014.

I expect VN's performance will be even better in the PISA results that will be gathered in 2018. I was dumb-founded by the standard and quality of the system when I worked there, and they were so receptive to new and innovative ideas too. Their problem is to get more people into formal education. So far, participation levels are relatively poor.

One of the Deputy-Directors in the Ministry told me their long-term goal was to be better in English proficiency than the Philippines by 2020, and so far English competencies are being phased-in across primary and secondary schools.

[MrManGuy]

Not sure who you are trying to impress, but this is just off them mark. What's with all the remarks about teeth? Maybe you're compulsive so that's why you can't appreciate BKK bars / message. Best if you stick with the 800 USD in USD that you mentioned. I also used to live in NYC and have the $$ to spend in BKK, but you're report is off the mark.I agree with him and it gives me the shits guys are obsessed with 35 year old uglies because they're cheap. Last time I was in BKK there were some very fuckable bar girls and massage girls. In Pattaya. Nothing but uglies outside of the GoGos. But maaaaaaan were the gogos quality.

[MrManGuy]

Next time you might want to try Bit Style: http://bitstylemassage.com.

It just has uhm. A bit more style. Nice clean place, good looking girls (real 7's and 8's, unlike most BJ bars), good service.

It's not really a BJ bar, you can get massage and FS there as well, but you can go there for just a BJ for 1300 Baht. It's all the way down on the price list.

I have been there 3 or 4 times now and was never disappointed.I don't think any of them are attractive based on their pictures.

Actually I kind of like Yuki.

[SearcherMan]

I agree with him and it gives me the shits guys are obsessed with 35 year old uglies because they're cheap. Last time I was in BKK there were some very fuckable bar girls and massage girls. In Pattaya. Nothing but uglies outside of the GoGos. But maaaaaaan were the gogos quality.I've found some great bodies outside the gogos. But I don't get the shits over your thing. Prepare for mainlining Imodium upon my return next year after reading my reports.

[BionicMan]

Nice evidence-based rejoinder Goat.

I agree with you, after having worked in both Hanoi and HCM City in support of the VN education sector for 6 months during 2014.

One of the Deputy-Directors in the Ministry told me their long-term goal was to be better in English proficiency than the Philippines by 2020, and so far English competencies are being phased-in across primary and secondary schools.The deputy director is very optimistic.

2020 is two years to go.

How can they think to beat a country where English is nearly a second language fails to catch me.

I am not commenting on the rest of the countries, but my general impression it takes at least one generation to improve their skills in any field.

[MusicalToM]

This is a real offbeat question, but since I'm in sheer need of this couldn't stop myself asking.

I've some audio messages (sent over messenger) in Lao which I need to get translated into English to understand them. I tried Google translator but there is no speech input option for Lao language.

Is there somebody here who can help? May be somebody would be knowing the language. I would appreciate to any help!

[SearcherMan]

This is a real offbeat question, but since I'm in sheer need of this couldn't stop myself asking.

I've some audio messages (sent over messenger) in Lao which I need to get translated into English to understand them. I tried Google translator but there is no speech input option for Lao language.

Is there somebody here who can help? May be somebody would be knowing the language. I would appreciate to any help!If you have any Isaan or Lao contacts on any of your video chat services, they could help. You could also use google translate to request the sender, if literate, to write the content down, then you plug into translation app.

[Juicyclamlover]

70,000 THB is outstanding money for Thailand. I am currently paying people to work in my field 300 THB a day (lunch and water supplied). Bending over planting rice in the heat and humidity and working the land for 8-9 Hours a Day,6 days a week. 7,200 THB a month, however this work is not ongoing. They are very happy for the work and the amount they get. Mongers on here banging on about how Thailand is a robust economy and you need 120,000 THB a month to live comfortably? Quite frankly Sirs you have your heads up your asses.I agree, the number of people earning 70 k a month or more you could probably count on an elephants trunk, especially outside of BKK.

[LGuy1]

Back to my typical night out in the neighborhood: if by 11 pm I have not found Miss Right in the several Patpong bars I like to frequent, King's Castle 1 & 2, Badabing, and Electric Blue; then it is time to head to Spasso. At 11 pm on a Thursday, Friday, or Saturday night Spasso is usually going strong with plenty of FL's and unfortunately an almost equal number of sausages. Yes, it is a sausage fest. I don't know where these guys come from, but they are always there. Additionally, it is roughly a 50/50 split between NE Asians and Westerner sausages and some of these guys are wearing fucking sportscoats. Unbelievable! Me, I am dressed up wearing a collared, short sleeve, polo shirt ie an informal golf shirt and fresh laundered jeans. That is me in dress up mode. LOL. In any case, despite the male customer turnout, there are plenty of girls to choose from and they ALL want to make your acquaintance. There is none of that Thermae bull crap going on here although these FL's are older than the Thermae crowd, but better dressed, better educated, and many holding their own nicely. I usually flirt with a couple of the prettier girls and if I like one I let the conversation eventually get around to what everybody came for. My night is usually all set after spending an hour in Spasso.I genuinely laughed at the comment about sportscoat LOL. I didn't think people got so dressed up. I was planning on only bringing polo type shirts or t-shirts. I still think they look nice enough / not cheap. Didn't think I would need to go any further than that to blend in.

[LaoMan]

The deputy director is very optimistic.

2020 is two years to go.

How can they think to beat a country where English is nearly a second language fails to catch me.

I am not commenting on the rest of the countries, but my general impression it takes at least one generation to improve their skills in any field.Most of the Filipinos who work for me speak ok but their grammar is very poor. Contrast this to educated Lao, Thai and Vietnamese who speak poorly, but whose grammar is very strong.

[Paolo99]

I arrived last week and wanted a quick release after not having sex for quite a long time. I knew I would unload very quickly so I opted for a BJ bar instead of going in an oily or try an online girl as the BJ bar is also the cheapest option. Walked through soi 10 and had a look at the talent in Lolipop but saw only a LB and 2 ugly girls so I decided to go in soi 8 instead. I remembered a recent report from Bkkdog about Som's but didn't remember where it's located. I entered soi 8 and went straight to L. O. L. I. T. A. S and had planned to go to Kasalong if I saw nothing interesting there. But at the moment I arrived there was about 7 or 8 girls and one of them was standing and looked not bad at all so I entered directly and told her to come with me. All others were fat or old ones. Once we got up the stairs I realised that I would even want to bang her so I told her to go to the 2nd floor directly but she said she couldn't because she was on her period and I could change girl if I wanted (don't know if it was true or if she just didn't want that I bang her). Her name is Ma, she has a nice roundish face (not chubby), no crooked teeth, dark skinned, quite fit and sexy with her uniform. Once seated she started her job and did it pretty well. I was hard very quickly, I stopped her and told her to do it very slowly, that I would like it to last at least 10 min and then she can make me cum if she wants, I would tip her for that effort. She agreed and said in Thai ja tham dai yangai wa (how am I going to do that). She had some great techniques sometimes licking it sometimes putting it in her mouth. She also let me touch her body without saying anything (but not near pussy). But she lost patience pretty quickly and made me cum in 5 min. I would have tipped her 200 if had gone to the 10 min point but finally gave her 100 for the effort. By the way the BJ is now 850 baht. So now you know there is at least 1 girl that looks not bad and is pretty good at her job in that place.

[Goatscrot]

Nice evidence-based rejoinder Goat.

I agree with you, after having worked in both Hanoi and HCM City in support of the VN education sector for 6 months during 2014.

I expect VN's performance will be even better in the PISA results that will be gathered in 2018. I was dumb-founded by the standard and quality of the system when I worked there, and they were so receptive to new and innovative ideas too. Their problem is to get more people into formal education. So far, participation levels are relatively poor.

One of the Deputy-Directors in the Ministry told me their long-term goal was to be better in English proficiency than the Philippines by 2020, and so far English competencies are being phased-in across primary and secondary schools.My guess is they will be the dominant economy in SE Asia sooner than most folks think. They are moving forward. Contrary to what many of my fellow 'Mericans thin; central planning works. China and 'Nam would not be where they are now without it.

[Goatscrot]

And the Western man has lost.

In Cowboy last night for the first time in a couple of months. Sat outside one of the bars with some friends and observed the comings and goings. It's kind of over for the Western man in the BKK P4 P scene. Our ilk is dwarfed in numbers by Japanese, Koreans, Indians, and UEOs (people of unknown ethnic origin). Asian dudes are and will dictate the scene when it comes to performance and cost. The former and the latter will not be to most of our liking. And there is absolutely nothing we can do about. Life moves on. It was certainly a joy to be able to experience the end of the Golden Era here and in places like 'Nom Penh.

Where to go? Well many of my stateside friends are keeping it in their hemisphere. Hitting Mexico for a short trip and Central and S America on longer trips. Places with unrest and poor economies are always good for the monger. I would imagine for those with stones Venezuela would be pretty good at the moment.

For those of us who are settled here; well, we will have to settle for the current situation.

[GoodEnough]

My guess is they will be the dominant economy in SE Asia sooner than most folks think. They are moving forward. Contrary to what many of my fellow 'Mericans thin; central planning works. China and 'Nam would not be where they are now without it.I agree. I worked in Hanoi for approximately 6 months, and was impressed greatly by the professionalism, knowledge and openness of those with whom I worked in the Ministry of Public Works. Not only were they open to new ideas; they were eager to acquire additional skills and knowledge. I don't think VN will eclipse Singapore anytime in the near future, but it's going to out perform Thailand and the Philippines–if it isn't already doing so–and I predict its economy will eventually become the second most robust of the ASEAN countries within the next decade.

GE.

[Blanquiceleste]

I see people overthinking, making too much planning, setting a "minute by minute agenda" for their first visit to LOS.

Take it easy guys, this is not a marketing action and there is no need to make a business plan.

I understand the weeks or months before the first trip are exciting, but there is no need to overdo.

ISG is full of information to give you an idea on what you will see and find.

Get into the field and spend an evening browsing the different options, bars and gogo. Sit in a bar at nana and watch what goes on, look at the people (girls and punters) going in, out, observe the flow and see what is going on.

Don't be a target of smart girls, but still enjoy what comes on the tray.Absolutely true, Come to think of it when most of us started visiting LOS several years ago (decades?) there was no such "guide" for LOS. There were mobile phones but mostly for calls and texts. None of the internet based apps or Google maps or anything else. How did we get around to finding poontang? INSTINCT. We could simply smell it out. With a bit of observation skills and street smartness we navigated our way. Did we get scammed? Hell, yes! Did we get scammed again the same way? Hell, no!

Sometimes I feel the punters heading to LOS now for the first time have it so much freakin easier.

[Zahle]

Does anybody know of any pregnant or lactating girls in BKK at the moment? FL soapies or MP or whatever.

Thx

[Smoothy]

Sometimes I feel the punters heading to LOS now for the first time have it so much freakin easier.Thailand was never very difficult. It's places like Indonesia where the internet has made a huge difference. My first trip to Bangkok was prior to the internet. I got laid within 2 hours of checking into my hotel my first trip to Bangkok even though I knew nothing about the surroundings prior to arriving. And I got laid multiple times daily, every day after that. Indonesia was much more difficult. It took me 2 months to figure out places to go. But after I figured out the places to go, it was awesome. We used to say in Jakarta that it was the world's best kept secret. And it was. Not anymore.

[Member #4698]

Back in the day, before the ISG, before the internet, before personal computers, before HIV; travel equaled adventure and it was more fun then or maybe I was just "Golden" like Pony Boy in the "Outsiders. " Anyway, back then we had word of mouth or the grapevine. That was our major source of travel information and while you were on the road you would meet people with similar tastes and of somewhat similar economic social backgrounds as yourself from various countries around the world, all western ha ha, and talk about your varied travel experences, swap stories, and what not.

For example, I first heard about Phuket in 1972 from two Dutch girls on a beautiful beach in Cahuita, Costa Rica. The girls told me that if I liked Cahuita I would love Phuket where they had rented a thatched roof beach bungalow for $4/ night and smoked Thai Stick all night long. From that point on I knew I wanted to go to Thailand. Someone else told me about Patpong and I knew I wanted to go to BKK. Vice a versa I would tell other fellow travellers about the great blow in Santa Cruz, Bolivia or the wonderful girls in Colt 45 in San Jose ect ect. Maybe this informal grapevine is still alive today with the backpackers. I don't know because I dropped out of that club a long time ago.

I kind of miss that old way of travel, but the world has changed and so have I. I no longer have any desire to sleep in a thatched roof bungalow on a beautiful beach, with no running water and no screens for practically no money and no San Jose bar girl is going to shag me all night long for free as her grandmother used to do in the good old days. Life moves on.

[JessePinkDick]

Repost from another forum.

I'll be in BKK in a few weeks and was interested in some of the girls from certain escort agencies (specifically xclusive thai). Problem is, some of the girls have "no Indian clients" written in their description. I'm assuming this is to deter hagglers, which Indians are (maybe rightfully so) infamous for.

I'm American but ethnically I'm Indian / brown. So do the "no Indian clients" disclaimers apply to me? I want to assume this is just for people that are actually from / born in India. I'm well dressed, have good hygiene, and definitely not cheap; but I'm wondering if this more than a culture issue, and if they just don't like brown guys.

Would appreciate any thoughts on this matter.

[Blanquiceleste]

Thailand was never very difficult. It's places like Indonesia where the internet has made a huge difference. My first trip to Bangkok was prior to the internet. I got laid within 2 hours of checking into my hotel my first trip to Bangkok even though I knew nothing about the surroundings prior to arriving. And I got laid multiple times daily, every day after that. Indonesia was much more difficult. It took me 2 months to figure out places to go. But after I figured out the places to go, it was awesome. We used to say in Jakarta that it was the world's best kept secret. And it was. Not anymore.In many ways it still is.

[Member #4698]

I'll be in BKK in a few weeks and was interested in some of the girls from certain escort agencies (specifically xclusive thai). Problem is, some of the girls have "no Indian clients" written in their description. I'm assuming this is to deter hagglers, which Indians are (maybe rightfully so) infamous for.

I'm American but ethnically I'm Indian / brown. So do the "no Indian clients" disclaimers apply to me? I want to assume this is just for people that are actually from / born in India. I'm well dressed, have good hygiene, and definitely not cheap; but I'm wondering if this more than a culture issue, and if they just don't like brown guys.

Would appreciate any thoughts on this matter.JPD, with there being so many girls in BKK, there is no reason to focus on the girls with an Indian prejudice even if you are not Indian-Indian, but rather of Indian-American heritage. Forget them girls and concentrate on the girls that WANT to spend time with you. The girls that think you are a handsome man. 555. They are the ones that will show you a great time and I promise you that there will be no shortage of those girls. So, I suggest you concentrate on the Go Go's, massage parlors, and bars. You will be able to tell right away if a girl wants to be with you or not. Then your only decision will be who You want to be with.

Note: there are a few Go Go's with anti-Indian attitudes. The old Rainbow 4 bar policy was no Indians, but I believe most Go Go's do not bar anyone from entering. Perhaps another BM can list the Go Go's that discriminate. Just move on to the next Go Go if you are barred from entry at any one particular joint and DO NOT TAKE IT PERSONALLY. We all get discriminated against once in a while in the big Mango. Read the posts on Thermae for example.

[BKKguru]

The most common complaint from these girls (about Indians) is body odor.
If you are clean (i.e. no body odor) and pay the agreed amount, you should have no problem.
If an agency does create a fuss, just call another agency. There are so many choices.

Regardless of your nationality, if you treat the girl well and tip for good service, these girls will want you to be their client.

Good Luck and post your experience.

~BKKguru.


Repost from another forum.

I'll be in BKK in a few weeks and was interested in some of the girls from certain escort agencies (specifically xclusive thai). Problem is, some of the girls have "no Indian clients" written in their description. I'm assuming this is to deter hagglers, which Indians are (maybe rightfully so) infamous for.

I'm American but ethnically I'm Indian / brown. So do the "no Indian clients" disclaimers apply to me? I want to assume this is just for people that are actually from / born in India. I'm well dressed, have good hygiene, and definitely not cheap; but I'm wondering if this more than a culture issue, and if they just don't like brown guys.

Would appreciate any thoughts on this matter.

[Member #4698]

The most common complaint from these girls (about Indians) is body odor.
If you are clean (i.e. no body odor) and pay the agreed amount, you should have no problem.
If an agency does create a fuss, just call another agency. There are so many choices.Too much cologne or perfume, an actual overdose of cheap cologne or perfume is a big problem with some middle eastern people. I have sometimes stay at the Fraser Hotel on Soi 11. The 1 bedroom apartments are huge and very reasonably priced and I also enjoy being on Soi 11. But the Fraser happens to have a lot of Middle Eastern guests. It is really quite amazing when certain Muslim women, especially the fully covered older ones, get off the elevator. Believe me, you don't want to get on the elevator after they disembark because it stinks so bad. My Thai girls and I laugh about it. It is a clash of cultures to be sure. Many Middle Eastern Muslim men over indulge in the cheap cologne too, but not nearly as much as those fat women. Thai girls do not like it.

So smell clean, smell fresh, and don't reek of cologne is my tip of the month to our fellow Middle Eastern Muslim punters.

[Smoothy]

Repost from another forum.

I'll be in BKK in a few weeks and was interested in some of the girls from certain escort agencies (specifically xclusive thai). Problem is, some of the girls have "no Indian clients" written in their description. I'm assuming this is to deter hagglers, which Indians are (maybe rightfully so) infamous for.

I'm American but ethnically I'm Indian / brown. So do the "no Indian clients" disclaimers apply to me? I want to assume this is just for people that are actually from / born in India. I'm well dressed, have good hygiene, and definitely not cheap; but I'm wondering if this more than a culture issue, and if they just don't like brown guys.

Would appreciate any thoughts on this matter.The girls only like a man with a pink dick. Most Indians have a brown dick. Since your screen name is JessePinkDick, you shouldn't have a problem. I hope this helps.

[LGuy1]

Too much cologne or perfume, an actual overdose of cheap cologne or perfume is a big problem with some middle eastern people. I have sometimes stay at the Fraser Hotel on Soi 11. The 1 bedroom apartments are huge and very reasonably priced and I also enjoy being on Soi 11. But the Fraser happens to have a lot of Middle Eastern guests. It is really quite amazing when certain Muslim women, especially the fully covered older ones, get off the elevator. Believe me, you don't want to get on the elevator after they disembark because it stinks so bad. My Thai girls and I laugh about it. It is a clash of cultures to be sure. Many Middle Eastern Muslim men over indulge in the cheap cologne too, but not nearly as much as those fat women. Thai girls do not like it.

So smell clean, smell fresh, and don't reek of cologne is my tip of the month to our fellow Middle Eastern Muslim punters.Don't really understand the need to use cologne unless you're trying to hide a smell. Cologne / perfume bother the hell out of me. I prefer women just smell like they came out of the shower.

[Syzygies]

Many Middle Eastern Muslim men over indulge in the cheap cologne too, but not nearly as much as those fat women. Thai girls do not like it.

So smell clean, smell fresh, and don't reek of cologne is my tip of the month to our fellow Middle Eastern Muslim punters.We all like to kid ourselves, but as we get older, no matter how carefully we think we clean, nor how many times per day, our bodies start to have very subtle odours (at best), whether from the mouth, under arms or just the skin in general. Maybe we don't even know we have subtle odours that come with age.

My mother is in her 80's has a certain minor odour of the skin. I can detect it. She is a clean person. Virtually all older western people have odours ranging from almost undetectable to very strong (the guys that really stink). Many of these guys are in denial. They just don't know the exact extend of their body odours. Many Thais have noses that can detect odours that we might miss.

It believe that I must use very thorough cleaning procedures, especially tongue scraping, underarm antiperspirants with a light fragrance (to mask any slight odours), mouth wash and mints (after thorough cleaning), and also a cologne spray (make sure it is appealing one. Not el cheapo), not to reek of it, but very subtle to mask any skin odours. Thai girls do approve, if not overdone.

Clearly a mix of bad body stink with cologne mixed in, doesn't really do it, so the cleaning part is far more important. In Thailand this means showering multiple times per day, including before and after sex. Less is not good enough.

When I was a kid, I remember meeting east European families with high garlic content in their diets and noticing how their skin reeked of it, whole families, although the kids were less so. So there is no doubt our diets do have an effect on the smell of our skin too. Underarm and mouth bacteria are of course much worse. Thai garlic is much weaker, but I still try to avoid it and certainly no raw onions.

I don't know about the fat women. My experience of middle eastern, is the guys stink much worse than the women. They all seem to be unfazed so they are all clearly so used to these stinks, that they don't notice. In a queue for money exchange once, some Arabs came up behind me in the queue, and I just had to leave due to the acrid stench of their underarms (possibly un showered for the day or several days. I don't know). I don't like to stay in the same Hotel as middle eastern guests, purely because of the bad experiences of nearly being overcome by "fumes" in elevators, and thinking about holding my breath. Very sweaty Thai construction workers have so little odour in comparison when they have entered the same lift. Also I felt very out of place in Zenith hotel (Soi 3) years ago at breakfast. The middle eastern types appeared to stare at me and my lady at breakfast like we were lepers. She wasn't dressed sexy at all.

[Adrena]

We all like to kid ourselves, but as we get older, no matter how carefully we think we clean, nor how many times per day, our bodies start to have very subtle odours (at best), whether from the mouth, under arms or just the skin in general. Maybe we don't even know we have subtle odours that come with age.

My mother is in her 80's has a certain minor odour of the skin. I can detect it. She is a clean person. Virtually all older western people have odours ranging from almost undetectable to very strong (the guys that really stink). Many of these guys are in denial. They just don't know the exact extend of their body odours. Many Thais have noses that can detect odours that we might miss.

It believe that I must use very thorough cleaning procedures, especially tongue scraping, underarm antiperspirants with a light fragrance (to mask any slight odours), mouth wash and mints (after thorough cleaning), and also a cologne spray (make sure it is appealing one. Not el cheapo), not to reek of it, but very subtle to mask any skin odours. Thai girls do approve, if not overdone.

Clearly a mix of bad body stink with cologne mixed in, doesn't really do it, so the cleaning part is far more important. In Thailand this means showering multiple times per day, including before and after sex. Less is not good enough..Yeah, Middle Eastern put it on thick. It makes me light headed when I smell it.

Here's my advice, take a hot young Thai to a fragrance store and have her pick out a scent for you. Tell her to pick something that all Thai people would like. She'll get something generic, but acceptable. Also, eat Thai food. It'll give your skin the same scent as the Thais.

[MrManGuy]

Repost from another forum.

I'll be in BKK in a few weeks and was interested in some of the girls from certain escort agencies (specifically xclusive thai). Problem is, some of the girls have "no Indian clients" written in their description. I'm assuming this is to deter hagglers, which Indians are (maybe rightfully so) infamous for.

I'm American but ethnically I'm Indian / brown. So do the "no Indian clients" disclaimers apply to me? I want to assume this is just for people that are actually from / born in India. I'm well dressed, have good hygiene, and definitely not cheap; but I'm wondering if this more than a culture issue, and if they just don't like brown guys.

Would appreciate any thoughts on this matter.Thai people are brown. Skin color has nothing to do with it. As for the Indian thing; it will be well deserved reputation, so ask first.

[MrManGuy]

We all like to kid ourselves, but as we get older, no matter how carefully we think we clean, nor how many times per day, our bodies start to have very subtle odours (at best), whether from the mouth, under arms or just the skin in general. Maybe we don't even know we have subtle odours that come with age.

My mother is in her 80's has a certain minor odour of the skin. I can detect it. She is a clean person. Virtually all older western people have odours ranging from almost undetectable to very strong (the guys that really stink). Many of these guys are in denial. They just don't know the exact extend of their body odours. Many Thais have noses that can detect odours that we might miss.

It believe that I must use very thorough cleaning procedures, especially tongue scraping, underarm antiperspirants with a light fragrance (to mask any slight odours), mouth wash and mints (after thorough cleaning), and also a cologne spray (make sure it is appealing one. Not el cheapo), not to reek of it, but very subtle to mask any skin odours. Thai girls do approve, if not overdone.

Clearly a mix of bad body stink with cologne mixed in, doesn't really do it, so the cleaning part is far more important. In Thailand this means showering multiple times per day, including before and after sex. Less is not good enough.

When I was a kid, I remember meeting east European families with high garlic content in their diets and noticing how their skin reeked of it, whole families, although the kids were less so. So there is no doubt our diets do have an effect on the smell of our skin too. Underarm and mouth bacteria are of course much worse. Thai garlic is much weaker, but I still try to avoid it and certainly no raw onions.

I don't know about the fat women. My experience of middle eastern, is the guys stink much worse than the women. They all seem to be unfazed so they are all clearly so used to these stinks, that they don't notice. In a queue for money exchange once, some Arabs came up behind me in the queue, and I just had to leave due to the acrid stench of their underarms (possibly un showered for the day or several days. I don't know). I don't like to stay in the same Hotel as middle eastern guests, purely because of the bad experiences of nearly being overcome by "fumes" in elevators, and thinking about holding my breath. Very sweaty Thai construction workers have so little odour in comparison when they have entered the same lift. Also I felt very out of place in Zenith hotel (Soi 3) years ago at breakfast. The middle eastern types appeared to stare at me and my lady at breakfast like we were lepers. She wasn't dressed sexy at all.I'm ugly and stink like shit, but I wash up, wear fresh clothes and all the rest of that; so if Thai girls are having an issue with someone's hygiene or treatment of them in the room I have to wonder what the actual fuck they've done. You can really get away with a LOT with Thai girls.

[MrManGuy]

And the Western man has lost.

In Cowboy last night for the first time in a couple of months. Sat outside one of the bars with some friends and observed the comings and goings. It's kind of over for the Western man in the BKK P4 P scene. Our ilk is dwarfed in numbers by Japanese, Koreans, Indians, and UEOs (people of unknown ethnic origin). Asian dudes are and will dictate the scene when it comes to performance and cost. The former and the latter will not be to most of our liking. And there is absolutely nothing we can do about. Life moves on. It was certainly a joy to be able to experience the end of the Golden Era here and in places like 'Nom Penh.

Where to go? Well many of my stateside friends are keeping it in their hemisphere. Hitting Mexico for a short trip and Central and S America on longer trips. Places with unrest and poor economies are always good for the monger. I would imagine for those with stones Venezuela would be pretty good at the moment.

For those of us who are settled here; well, we will have to settle for the current situation.Are you saying westerners are being refused service? Or that they won't pay the current price being asked?

I have heard that Korean men are rather racist, and will encourage girls to only stay with fellow Koreans.

[SearcherMan]

The most common complaint from these girls (about Indians) is body odor.
If you are clean (i.e. no body odor) and pay the agreed amount, you should have no problem.
If an agency does create a fuss, just call another agency. There are so many choices.

Regardless of your nationality, if you treat the girl well and tip for good service, these girls will want you to be their client.

Good Luck and post your experience.

~BKKguru.From what I gather from the women, and from what I smell like after eating Indian food is that certain curry ingredients are not used in SE Asian cuisines and show up in body odor. I've identified the ingredients that I think are the culprits: fenugreek, cumin, and possibly turmeric.

[HorneeFalang]

I'm ugly and stink like shit, but I wash up, wear fresh clothes and all the rest of that; so if Thai girls are having an issue with someone's hygiene or treatment of them in the room I have to wonder what the actual fuck they've done. You can really get away with a LOT with Thai girls.LMAO! The only smell the girls love starts with be. No it's not Burberry. As far as the aging body smell goes it's titled nonenal. If you are over 40 you are already omitting the odour, however by exercising regularly, avoiding stress, abstaining from smoking, drinking alcohol only in moderation, eating a clean diet, drinking plenty of water and getting enough rest apparently reduces this odour. My question is why the fuck would you bothered? Suck down a stogie, down a half a bottle of grey goose, pig out on some Malai Kofta with some Kaali Daal, hit the dance floor of Levels for a four hour rave. Just load your pockets full of freshly obtained 1,000 Baht notes and watch them pretty women come a calling.

[Goatscrot]

Are you saying westerners are being refused service? Or that they won't pay the current price being asked?

I have heard that Korean men are rather racist, and will encourage girls to only stay with fellow Koreans.You see refusal a lot in Thermae. Or they just quote them a ridiculous price. Some gals won't be seen leaving with Western guys, choosing instead to meet them out the back door. This is also due to pressure from their friends as well not just the Asian dudes. And hey, if dudes won't pay inflated prices for substandard service, more power to them. But as long as guys be they Asian or Western continue to pay and not demand service and looks, both will continue to decline. Has the increase in Asian punters and the dwindling numbers of Western punters had a detrimental effect on the scene. From my point of view, very much so. But hey, that is the way it is.

What I am referring to is the percentage of Asian punters compared to Western punters in Cowboy. In '00 Cowboy was 90% or more Western guys. Now I would say it is 75% Asians. And it was in turn a hell of a lot more fun. Unfortunately now more than ever the GoGo scene is directed at tourists and not regular tourists, but the one time tourist. Cowboy was traditionally an expat area but not any more. I don't know anyone that hangs out there now. Price of course is part of it, but the main issue is the fun has really gone out of the place. Guess if you weren't there as a resident years ago at your "home bar" hanging out with your gang of friends, then you would not really be able to relate. Almost had a "fraternity-like" quality to it. We hung out in groups, rarely if ever alone. We all miss the dingy days of Cowboy when there was very little neon, no tourist couples gawking up and down the street, no agency girls, and on any night of the week you would find dudes you knew in all the bars you frequented including Thermae and Nana Disco. And need I mention places like Washington Sq which had some amazing bars! Just the mention of Wild Country should perk some ears up.

It seems that the majority of the guys on this board are what I would term "lone mongers. " And I understand that the wants and needs of the lone monger are very different than that of the resident. For us the bar scene was almost as much about the camaraderie with other expats as it was about the gals. We live or lived here so could get a gal at anytime. There was absolutely no urgency. We did not have a flight home in a week. And in closing back to the original point; there are more and more Asian guys coming and fewer and fewer Western expats. The Western expat and regular tourist was what drove the scene for years. That's over.

[Syzygies]

Cowboy was traditionally an expat area but not any more. I don't know anyone that hangs out there now. Price of course is part of it, but the main issue is the fun has really gone out of the place. Guess if you weren't there as a resident years ago at your "home bar" hanging out with your gang of friends, then you would not really be able to relate. Almost had a "fraternity-like" quality to it. We hung out in groups, rarely if ever alone. We all miss the dingy days of Cowboy when there was very little neon, no tourist couples gawking up and down the street, no agency girls, and on any night of the week you would find dudes you knew in all the bars you frequented including Thermae and Nana Disco. And need I mention places like Washington Sq which had some amazing bars! Just the mention of Wild Country should perk some ears up.
Sure Cowboy is not so much an expat hangout anymore, however I have certainly seen the regulars turn up, at certain bars especially quite late at night, not sure why. Toy Bar was a good example. These are guys quite willing to part with money buying drinks for their favourites. Probably not on tight budgets.

Cowboy is becoming dominated by Asian customers and any Farangs willing to spend more money. If on a budget, forget it.

You are quite right that the price of spending time at Cowboy has got too expensive for most expats.

I have tried the daytime bars at Nana. It just does not work for me. Too much money and time get wasted without good enough returns sexually. Food is not good enough to warrant wasting money on it, generally, and I prefer more healthy oriented food. Some of us just want to get a good fuck and only socialise with girl long enough to see if chemistry is good enough that sex might be good fun. Not there due to boredom. Not there for socialising. LOL.

I don't understand why guys would go to Cowboy to see the other customers. I have never been the type to need a wingman. Some of us, like Natty Bumpo and myself preferred the company of sexy girls over other mongers with a very different mindset to our own. Cowboy is not the place to go chatting with buddies unless you are at an outside bar. The music is too loud for starters. I can chat with some bargirls in Thai, the ones that have clear diction. One girl in Crazy I like, but cannot understand her talk well, due to her lazy pronunciation and especially if she has been drinking. Higher pitched Thai is easier to understand in noisy environments than speaking to guys though.

The main reason for going to Cowboy bars is surely to find a very good looking girl with the right attitude for sex, or just a quick survey of the scene if the talent is below par. Granted the cost is too high these days compared to cheap Oilies and budget Soapies. However I have a poor success rate in finding good enough looking girls in the MPs that also give great fun service, to be worth repeating in recent years. It suits the guys less looks oriented and less finicky about natural bodies for sure. I have found girls that give a good session but find that the looks are not quite doing it for me, or get bored with them. I have found girls for repeating in the MPs in recent years, but they rarely seem to last very long for one reason or another. Probably find a sponsor too quickly, because they are just too good to be there. Bai Fern at Yoremichi was a great example. Lovely pretty charming girl with perfect body and perfect GFE service. I was immediately permanently hooked. Soon heard she had left and got married or at least engaged. Could not find any other girl in the shop that came even close.

Over last 6 years, Sheba and Suzie Wong were a great source of girls for threesomes, which were expensive of course, and I have given them away now that all my favourites are gone. Also found a few favourites that were very good looking at Crazy House and most of those are now gone. Replacements don't come easy.

One certainly would not go to cowboy if main priority was budget priced drinks and chatting to buddies. However there are girls that are providing good times for their regular customers, not just looking for one off tourists. There is a strong incentive of course to meet these girls outside the workplace, and this does happen, when the girl turns out to be reliable enough.

With some bargirls, no longer attending bars (or very irregularly at the bars), I have tried to meet them privately however only a percentage are reliable enough to actually turn up. Must be they have other priorities dominating instead of a need for money. Sometimes hard for them to get away from other work, study, friends, boyfriends, and family commitments without raising suspicions, so this severely limits times they can be available. Even the ones that turn up are very unreliable about being on time. They are incredibly dishonest about basic things like "Are you coming? "Have you left home yet?" "Are you in a taxi yet? "How many minutes away?" etc. Hard to fathom why they tell such bullshit when it is obvious bullshit. With some it is always "I can't make it today. Tomorrow is better. " LOL They can't blame communication problems since my Thai is excellent even for typed messages.

It is so much easier to go to a shop and select a girl rather try to meet such unreliable girls privately. Maybe bars cause girls to develop highly unreliable personalities or maybe it is just a normal Thai thing. I don't know. Maybe Escorts is an option for somewhat better reliability.

I do go to one Cowboy bar just to eat a burger and chat with one of the fun female staff in open air (when she is there). Burger is a good price. That is @Corner bar (Soi 23 end). Not recommending it in general however I like one part time girl that works there and I like the burgers.

Billboard in Nana seems to attract groups of Indians who like to party together in the bar like they own the place. This only detracts from the bar for me, since I prefer a quieter atmosphere with less action in the customer area. Hate meeting drunks in bars likewise, and guys that won't sit down and have to stand in front of you or just too close.

[World Travel 69]

5 Sukhumvit Soi 14 Alley. 8+ Girls. Prices: 700 BAHT, 1200 BAHT Full Short Time. Tel: +66 81 007 4841. Hours: Noon to 1 am.

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I arrived last week and wanted a quick release after not having sex for quite a long time. I knew I would unload very quickly so I opted for a BJ bar instead of going in an oily or try an online girl as the BJ bar is also the cheapest option. Walked through soi 10 and had a look at the talent in Lolipop but saw only a LB and 2 ugly girls so I decided to go in soi 8 instead. I remembered a recent report from Bkkdog about Som's but didn't remember where it's located. I entered soi 8 and went straight to L. O. L. I. T. A. S and had planned to go to Kasalong if I saw nothing interesting there. But at the moment I arrived there was about 7 or 8 girls and one of them was standing and looked not bad at all so I entered directly and told her to come with me. All others were fat or old ones. Once we got up the stairs I realised that I would even want to bang her so I told her to go to the 2nd floor directly but she said she couldn't because she was on her period and I could change girl if I wanted (don't know if it was true or if she just didn't want that I bang her). Her name is Ma, she has a nice roundish face (not chubby), no crooked teeth, dark skinned, quite fit and sexy with her uniform. Once seated she started her job and did it pretty well. I was hard very quickly, I stopped her and told her to do it very slowly, that I would like it to last at least 10 min and then she can make me cum if she wants, I would tip her for that effort. She agreed and said in Thai ja tham dai yangai wa (how am I going to do that). She had some great techniques sometimes licking it sometimes putting it in her mouth. She also let me touch her body without saying anything (but not near pussy). But she lost patience pretty quickly and made me cum in 5 min. I would have tipped her 200 if had gone to the 10 min point but finally gave her 100 for the effort. By the way the BJ is now 850 baht. So now you know there is at least 1 girl that looks not bad and is pretty good at her job in that place.

[MrManGuy]

I feel bad for you. The videos I have seen of thailand 10 years ago certainly looked magical. Like the beer bars of pattaya not staffed with ugly chicks and white people everywhere. Just be happy you enjoyed it for a while. Things change so do mongering scenes.

[Dive Monger]

We all like to kid ourselves, but as we get older, no matter how carefully we think we clean, nor how many times per day, our bodies start to have very subtle odours (at best), whether from the mouth, under arms or just the skin in general. Maybe we don't even know we have subtle odours that come with age.

My mother is in her 80's has a certain minor odour of the skin. I can detect it. She is a clean person. Virtually all older western people have odours ranging from almost undetectable to very strong (the guys that really stink). Many of these guys are in denial. They just don't know the exact extend of their body odours. Many Thais have noses that can detect odours that we might miss..It has been my experience certainly with women that Asians have much less body odor than European, Slavic, Scandinavian, Middle Eastern, or African peoples. Now this is anecdotal, since my sample size is just a few hundred, but still. One of the reasons (among many) that I prefer Asian women is they just smell (and taste) better than other ethnicities (to me, YMMV). It is only partially due to the much more frequent showering that certainly Thais engage in, but also it seems most other East Asians as well. Even when sweaty and unwashed, there is just much less smell, and what there is tends to be much less pungent and offensive.

Just my observations.

[Breadman]

I'm American but ethnically I'm Indian / brown. So do the "no Indian clients" disclaimers apply to me? I want to assume this is just for people that are actually from / born in India. I'm well dressed, have good hygiene, and definitely not cheap; but I'm wondering if this more than a culture issue, and if they just don't like brown guys.

.Natty has some good points but I don't think you want to fly all that way just to be turned down by many of the girls and turned away by most of the gogo's. Gogo's are like stripclubs on steroids, do you really want to miss that by getting turned away? Dressing up is a mistake, bring along tshirts that only Americans will have. Have two questions for you, were you born and raised in America and have perfect english and do you have hair just like all the other Indians? If your english has no hint of a foreign accent and you get turned away from bars it has to do with the hair. I've never seen a buzz cut on an Indian before, consider getting one in Thailand if your having troubles getting into clubs.

[DavidSchmauch]

Will be at BKK next week and would love to get a good deal, cheap hotel in a dense mongering area like Nana. Please help.

[HorneeFalang]

It has been my experience certainly with women that Asians have much less body odor than European, Slavic, Scandinavian, Middle Eastern, or African peoples. Now this is anecdotal, since my sample size is just a few hundred, but still. One of the reasons (among many) that I prefer Asian women is they just smell (and taste) better than other ethnicities (to me, YMMV). It is only partially due to the much more frequent showering that certainly Thais engage in, but also it seems most other East Asians as well. Even when sweaty and unwashed, there is just much less smell, and what there is tends to be much less pungent and offensive.

Just my observations.In my experience Thai women have minimal body odour (some exceptions of course). I think it might have to do with the fact that they are less hairy? YMMV. I'm interested to know the comparison between Japanese and Thai. I have only had one experience with a Japanese cutie and it was many years ago. The overall odour and experience was very good, I could not believe how pink her pussy and nipples were. This encounter is not enough to benchmark. I have DATY on many a Thai pussy and ass and can honestly say that most have been quite fresh, 85-90%.

[EihTooms]

I'm ugly and stink like shit, but I wash up, wear fresh clothes and all the rest of that; so if Thai girls are having an issue with someone's hygiene or treatment of them in the room I have to wonder what the actual fuck they've done. You can really get away with a LOT with Thai girls.We all can stink at times. But there are few casual, daily experiences around Thailand more predictable than walking past a group of Indian men and getting a powerful whiff of truly rancid armpit odor. Many of the rest of us have learned to make wide circles around such groups or inhale deeply and hold your breath until they pass. Same with being on the BTS or MRT. As soon as a group of three or more Indian men step into the train car and raise their arms to grab a strap, you can see Thai girls all around them cover their faces with their hands and look around for an empty space to retreat on the assumption that we are about to get hit with a wave of that same powerful rancid armpit odor. And the girls rarely call it wrong.

The Indian guys seem to be utterly oblivious to all of this adjusted behavior and positioning around them and why. Yes, another politically incorrect observation, but there it is.

[Goatscrot]

I feel bad for you. The videos I have seen of thailand 10 years ago certainly looked magical. Like the beer bars of pattaya not staffed with ugly chicks and white people everywhere. Just be happy you enjoyed it for a while. Things change so do mongering scenes.Actually I feel bad for those that did not experience it. It was amazing. BKK was fantastic and Pattaya was pretty great as well in low season. This time of year after Cobra Gold it was just empty, except for gals. When the Starbucks at the end of 13 on Beach Road opened circa '01 we could grab a coffee an sit upstairs in the afternoon for hours and never see another soul. Really had the run of the place. Used to go down once a month for three nights during low season for years. Now it is crowded all the time.

[Goatscrot]

It has been my experience certainly with women that Asians have much less body odor than European, Slavic, Scandinavian, Middle Eastern, or African peoples. Now this is anecdotal, since my sample size is just a few hundred, but still. One of the reasons (among many) that I prefer Asian women is they just smell (and taste) better than other ethnicities (to me, YMMV). It is only partially due to the much more frequent showering that certainly Thais engage in, but also it seems most other East Asians as well. Even when sweaty and unwashed, there is just much less smell, and what there is tends to be much less pungent and offensive.

Just my observations.I think it has more to do with diet than anything else.

[Goatscrot]

I don't understand why guys would go to Cowboy to see the other customers. I have never been the type to need a wingman. Some of us, like Natty Bumpo and myself preferred the company of sexy girls over other mongers with a very different mindset to our own. Cowboy is not the place to go chatting with buddies unless you are at an outside bar. The music is too loud for starters.

The main reason for going to Cowboy bars is surely to find a very good looking girl with the right attitude for sex, or just a quick survey of the scene if the talent is below par.
Over last 6 years, Sheba and Suzie Wong were a great source of girls for threesomes, which were expensive of course, and I have given them away now that all my favourites are gone. Also found a few favourites that were very good looking at Crazy House and most of those are now gone. Replacements don't come easy..Again, a full time resident has completely different needs than a regular visitor or part time resident. We live here. Cowboy was where we would hang out. Like our local neighborhood bar but with a very nice twist. Of course the gals were a focus, but not the only focus by far. And the music was not near as loud in most bars as it is today. Company of these gals? They are great for sex and playing around a bit, but I have never found them to offer much in the way of any meaningful conversation. FFS, most only have a 6th grade education. Nah, we went to the bars to hang out, drink, and shoot the breeze with our mates, then when it was time for a shag, grab a gal and go. It was an expat hangout. Now it is a tourist attraction.

[Red Kilt]

I think it has more to do with diet than anything else.Absolutely correct Goat.

When I lived and worked in Australia I frequently travelled to various places for work. Every time I returned from overseas, my wife and kids would comment on how my body smell was "different" when I returned home. I am always very clean and use deodorants etc and yet they detected the change as soon as I walked in the door.

The most significant comments came after I had 15 days in Libya in 2000 (pre-revolution and when Gaddafi was still boss). The curries, biryani rice and spices definitely affected me and manifested themselves in body odor.

I live in Philippines now and my diet of brown rice, lots of fruit and veg and lower levels of meat definitely reduces my body odor despite sweating a whole lot more. This is my own experience and we all have different physiologies so YMMV but I know that diet affects me significantly.

[Mogwai]

Many Thais have noses that can detect odours that we might miss.Do you mean the dogs in the bars?

(sorry, couldn't resist LOL).

[Dive Monger]

I think it has more to do with diet than anything else.Not sure about that. I've done Asian women in the west, who eat mostly a western crap diet. And they still smell and taste much better than their western sisters in the same brothel or social milieu. I thought it was diet too at first, but my experience seems to indicate diet is only part of it.

[Dive Monger]

Again, a full time resident has completely different needs than a regular visitor or part time resident. We live here. Cowboy was where we would hang out. Like our local neighborhood bar but with a very nice twist. Of course the gals were a focus, but not the only focus by far. And the music was not near as loud in most bars as it is today. Company of these gals? They are great for sex and playing around a bit, but I have never found them to offer much in the way of any meaningful conversation. FFS, most only have a 6th grade education. Nah, we went to the bars to hang out, drink, and shoot the breeze with our mates, then when it was time for a shag, grab a gal and go. It was an expat hangout. Now it is a tourist attraction.On my trip last month I found Cowboy to be a bit off-putting compared to years ago. I like the more mild music and less pushy kind of thing. I ended up being much more comfortable hanging out in the beer bars around Soi Diana and LK Metro. Much more my style now, and I ended up shooting the breeze with a number of fellows, both visitors as well as some expats. Where would you say the expats mostly hang out nowadays? I'll head there on my next trip.

[Kerrstar]

We all can stink at times. Many of the rest of us have learned to make wide circles around such groups or inhale deeply and hold your breath until they pass.

You think that's bad, try sitting on a plane to Pakistan for 5 hours!

[ThomKatt]

Hey fellas,

Just a quick question, I have a opportunity to take an overnight layover in Bangkok, arriving into DMK at 11:55 pm on a Friday night. And then Taking off at 10 am the next morning. Wondering if there's a possibility to get some action in, or anything to do to occupy my entire night? I'm not a cheap charlie, but I definitely don't want to book a hotel for such a short stay.

If I remember correctly, Nana plaza closes around 2-3 am on Fri. And Saturday nights. There's also an in-house short time hotel.

Does Soi Cowboy have something similar? And what time do they usually close? I've been there before, but never mongered.

What about the BJ bars and soapies / massage places? I know most places post that they close around midnight and 1 am.

Anything open all night long like East Asian spas?

Thanks for your info / help.

[FreeFall16]

Hi,

Its been a while since I had any fun time in Thailand. I am there in early August for 4 days and trying to work out if I should be 2 days BKK and 2 days Pattaya or just 4 days in one location.

In town from a Friday to Tuesday so just not sure where the most fun will be had.

Background. I have done a lot of mongering in BKK and a little in Pattaya. Not into heavy drinking and would like to get in some daytime fun too.

Open to advice.

[Michager]

Hi,
Its been a while since I had any fun time in Thailand. I am there in early August for 4 days and trying to work out if I should be 2 days BKK and 2 days Pattaya or just 4 days in one location.

In town from a Friday to Tuesday so just not sure where the most fun will be had.
If I were you, I would stay Friday to Sunday in BKK and Sunday to Tuesday in Pattaya. Or I would stay all days in BKK. My reason is, that I like to go to clubs, the clubs at BKK are much better and there is more fun on the weekend. The places I go in Pattaya don't vary so much depending on the weekday.

But that is. Of course. A matter of taste.

[HighwayMan18]

Hi everyone,

I have been a silent reader of all your posts. It's good to share experiences so that others can learn from someone else's mistakes.

This is my first post here and I am sharing this because I am super disappointed with escorts that I met. I rarely visit escorts and the last time before this was few years ago. This was my first time in Bangkok and I was super prepared to F the shit out of girls that I was going to meet in Bangkok. The only reason why I never felt like visiting an escort because of the thought that she is just after my money and not the experience, and that's a big turn off for me. Of course, they are after money and I know of girls who make themselves worth that money and I know of girls who do it because they love sex and make it their job.

So yeah, I have been reading a lot of bad stuff about the girls from agencies and I wanted to get an independent escort. So I spent hours looking for escorts on both backpage and craigslist. I have also attached their pictures and PDFs of their ads, so that you guys are aware of they are and be away from them.

The first one I met was Foxylady from Denmark, her ad was pretty simply and pictures were taken using snapchat. When contacted she sent a real selfie and looked attractive. She says 30 on her ad, but in real she looks like close to 40. Big boobs and a lot of tummy (or what they call curvy) you can feel the thickness of her tummy when you hold her. Her skin is little wrinkly and her face looks a little different from pictures, it has got to do with angle she is taken the photos from. Too many tattoos for my liking and it could be possible that she may have been involved in drugs and talks too much. She costed me 5000 bahts for 1 hour, she charges 1000 bahts extra for anal which I didn't go for. She was in a rush and all she wanted was me to cum soon. That turned me off and I ended up not cumming. She left even before the hour ended and the feeling was F'all. The only good part was her big boobs, no BBBJ, no kissing and nothing was sensual.

I started regretting, my first Bangkok experience was F'all and I decided to find local ones. So I spent the day on both Backpage and Craigslist and I found an ads which were both on Craigslist and Backpage. I got her Line and mobile number and did a lot of research on google image search, facebook and few other. She appeared real. Yes, I found her facebook page as well, it was a relief to know she was all real. I contacted her and she said 4000 for 3 hours and I asked her to bring a friend for a 3 some which she did (8000 bahts for 2 girls). I think the reason why they offered 4000 bahts per girl for 3 hours is because they thought they would make the guy cum in an hour or less and then leave.

Photos looked real and I did a cam chat on Line, she appeared real. I was a little scared that they would ladyboys or post-op tranny's. Both of them were skinny and one of them had boob job done. When they arrived at my hotel, I got a call from Lobby asking me if was expecting guests, I said yes and they sent the two upstairs.

Their names were Min and Mina, of course they are not their real names. But I could search them using their Line ID and mobile number, they appear to be new and do not know how to keep things private. It was very easy to find them on Facebook. They both claim to be 22 years of age and university students and do this only when they need money for shopping and travelling.

I will start with Mina, skinny, small boobs, darker than pictures and the face looks so much different from the pictures. She is talkative one and annoying. Min looked almost like her pictures, big boobs (Fake boobs), short, skinny, cute and shy to begin with. In the end, she was the most talkative one and demanded more money in the end.

Both of them do not do DFK and no BBBJ. I asked for a BBBJ and she said it will cost 2000 extra, to which I said yes. They both were not bisexual and didn't want to kiss each other. I also checked for scar marks around their pussy to make sure they are not post-op transgenders, couldn't find any and they were naturally wet. Both of them were tight, Min was extra tight. I do not want get into into more details, there is nothing worthy to mention. I ended up paying them 11,000 bahts for just 1. 5 hours and I didn't even cum. They spent most of their time talking in Thai and on their phones. When they were F'ing they would make fake noises but not Min, she was extra tight and I know some of her moans were real. The turn off was, in the breaks we took, they would be talking in Thai and laughing. She demanded more money when they were leaving and I didn't give in. They were in hurry to make me cum, I guess that's why she offered 4000 bahts for 3 hours because most of her clients finish in an hour or less and then they leave.

Overall, it was F'all experience in Bangkok. I was always a Tinder guy, I'd like to think I am an average looking guy (I'd like to think I am a 6) with a 7 inch uncut tool. I am of Indian origin but not an Indian national. I have been lucky with meeting girls on Tinder; mostly Caucasians and have had some great experiences. I have always found it easier to strike with a Caucasian than an Asian. Asian's prefer Caucasians.

I ain't no expert to give advice on this forum but I am sure you will be able to learn something from my mistakes. There are tons of girls out there who will actually get wet for you, yes it's a lot of work to do but trust me its worth it. Tinder is a good place to start, but I'd recommend local bars and friends circle. For a lot of guys who are a bit less social like me or have zero to small social circle (or social life) trying making it an effort to go out with work mates or friends and meet people at pubs and bars. There are tons of girls out there who want meet guys to F and not for $$ You know that feeling, when the girl really wants to worship your cock because that's the only thing that is going to bring her joy that night, you don't get that feeling with most hookers. I know, they are doing it for money but it's their effin' job to do it like they mean it.

A lot of reviews on these escorts on their agency page are fake. And most girls are in business until they make enough money and find some rich guy who can look after them. No wonder why so many old Caucasians are married to these not so great looking (some good looking) Asian girls. Because they are submissive and do anything their partners ask.

I think I am going to take a break from F'ing and take up abstinence from sex for while, just to get over this experience. This experience has kind of put me off of sex, I know it's temporary and it is still fresh (it happened only a few hours ago). I hope the rest of the trip will be great and hopefully meet some great people.

The only positive thing about this whole thing was, when those 2 Thai hookers left my room, I got a call from the Lobby asking me if I was Okay. One thing is for sure, I don't think Asian chics will do for me.

Here are their ads.

http://bangkok.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/foxylady-from-denmark-whatsapp-45-25770791or-call-me-66-639846535/5269998

http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/cas/d/available-wm/6218893946.html

http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/cas/d/goof-girl-pretty-girl-wm/6226476348.html

I have also attached pdf's of their ads.

Anyway, I think I will be over it pretty soon. I think the best way to meet a hooker is also at bars and pubs or one of these expensive Gogo bars. They do have good looking ones and hence the reason why they are expensive.

I just hope everyone comes here and share their experiences so that they don't waste the money on hookers that are not worth. I am sure there are plenty of good ones out there, they just need to identified and this website can help us find them.

Well, that was my experience and I hope you guys do not end up meeting the the kind of hookers I met.

Happy hunting.

P.S. Please ignore the typos. It is still 5 am, I am sleep deprived and sex deprived, you can imagine how hard it is for me to write.

[Shakiraa]

Since I'm really new to Bangkok, I decided to engage TONYBKK escort provider to arrange a nice girl for me. Seen some really good review so decided to have a go. Is very customer oriented, unlike some escort provider which do not provide much detail when asked and slow in response. Prior arrival I received many photos, so you can check with tonybkk in detail description for each girls and the service provided, or you can ask for recommendation based on what you want, easy right.

To my surprise, since I have tried Smooci once, I anticipate slight difference from the photo I see maybe from 9/10 t0 7/10. However she looked exactly per the photo. A very good plus point that tonybkk convinced me earliar.

I took this girl AOM, I give her 9/10 in terms of look. Slim body with nice assets. Conversation flowed really well. Back in the room, I like girl that undressed me slowly, she was touching me affectionately, just sit back and enjoy the licking all over with her tongue. She then gave me a slow and deep blowjob, her technique was good, watching her twirling her tongue which I rarely encounter from anyone, lots of eye contact. It felt amazing! She kept her blow job on going for a long time and I almost explode but manage to hold on. She started off by riding me in cowgirl, I like the slow and sensual way of her, looking into your eyes why she ride slow and steady, after 5 minutes, she started to moan, that get me more horny and I switched to doggy, it was very tight! Pump her fast and hard from the back until she reach orgasm. I finished off with a missionary and hold on each other. It was great!

One of my best escort so far! I'm already looking for opportunity to get another girl.

[XRatedBangkok]

Does Soi Cowboy have something similar? And what time do they usually close? I've been there before, but never mongered.

What about the BJ bars and soapies / massage places? I know most places post that they close around midnight and 1 am.

Anything open all night long like East Asian spas?

Thanks for your info / help.To my knowledge no hotel in Soi Cowboy, but around Sukhumvit yes. One short time hotel above Thermae, some soi 4 left hand side, after Nana Plaza. Many more that I don't know, bit that locals know. Soapies and oilies close around midnight, but passed 7 pm the choice is poor. Not a good option. The farther you can go in the night is nightclubs like Mixx or Spicy 3-4 am). But then short time hotels means 1-2 hours, not more.

[Blanquiceleste]

I have been a silent reader of all your posts.

SNIP


Well, that was my experience and I hope you guys do not end up meeting the the kind of hookers I met.

Happy hunting.

P.S. Please ignore the typos. It is still 5 am, I am sleep deprived and sex deprived, you can imagine how hard it is for me to write.Oh you poor SOB. I do not mean to rub salt into your wounds but if you have read the forum (as you say you have) there is no excuse for making these mistakes. In a city like BKK where pussy is available at almost every corner, you ended up sleep deprived, sex deprived and of course a lot poorer, with nothing to show for it.

If you have more days at hand, stop trawling Backpage, Craigslist or whatever other shit you have been looking at and head down to some of the oilies and soapies reviewed on the forum and get laid properly for a fraction of what you spent. You will thank me for it later.

[HighwayMan18]

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[HighwayMan18]

Oh you poor SOB. I do not mean to rub salt into your wounds but if you have read the forum (as you say you have) there is no excuse for making these mistakes. In a city like BKK where pussy is available at almost every corner, you ended up sleep deprived, sex deprived and of course a lot poorer, with nothing to show for it..I read this article and its pretty disturbing.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/75952/sad-sleazy-desperate-men-paying-for-love-with-thai-girls/

[TellAll]

Hi everyone,

I have been a silent reader of all your posts. It's good to share experiences so that others can learn from someone else's mistakes.

This is my first post here and I am sharing this because I am super disappointed with escorts that I met. I rarely visit escorts and the last time before this was few years ago. This was my first time in Bangkok and I was super prepared to F the shit out of girls that I was going to meet in Bangkok. The only reason why I never felt like visiting an escort because of the thought that she is just after my money and not the experience, and that's a big turn off for me. Of course, they are after money and I know of girls who make themselves worth that money and I know of girls who do it because they love sex and make it their job.

So yeah, I have been reading a lot of bad stuff about the girls from agencies and I wanted to get an independent escort. So I spent hours looking for escorts on both backpage and craigslist. I have also attached their pictures and PDFs of their ads, so that you guys are aware of they are and be away from them.

The first one I met was Foxylady from Denmark, her ad was pretty simply and pictures were taken using snapchat. When contacted she sent a real selfie and looked attractive. She says 30 on her ad, but in real she looks like close to 40. Big boobs and a lot of tummy (or what they call curvy) you can feel the thickness of her tummy when you hold her. Her skin is little wrinkly and her face looks a little different from pictures, it has got to do with angle she is taken the photos from. Too many tattoos for my liking and it could be possible that she may have been involved in drugs and talks too much. She costed me 5000 bahts for 1 hour, she charges 1000 bahts extra for anal which I didn't go for. She was in a rush and all she wanted was me to cum soon. That turned me off and I ended up not cumming. She left even before the hour ended and the feeling was F'all. The only good part was her big boobs, no BBBJ, no kissing and nothing was sensual.

I started regretting, my first Bangkok experience was F'all and I decided to find local ones. So I spent the day on both Backpage and Craigslist and I found an ads which were both on Craigslist and Backpage. I got her Line and mobile number and did a lot of research on google image search, facebook and few other. She appeared real. Yes, I found her facebook page as well, it was a relief to know she was all real. I contacted her and she said 4000 for 3 hours and I asked her to bring a friend for a 3 some which she did (8000 bahts for 2 girls). I think the reason why they offered 4000 bahts per girl for 3 hours is because they thought they would make the guy cum in an hour or less and then leave.

Photos looked real and I did a cam chat on Line, she appeared real. I was a little scared that they would ladyboys or post-op tranny's. Both of them were skinny and one of them had boob job done. When they arrived at my hotel, I got a call from Lobby asking me if was expecting guests, I said yes and they sent the two upstairs.

Their names were Min and Mina, of course they are not their real names. But I could search them using their Line ID and mobile number, they appear to be new and do not know how to keep things private. It was very easy to find them on Facebook. They both claim to be 22 years of age and university students and do this only when they need money for shopping and travelling.

I will start with Mina, skinny, small boobs, darker than pictures and the face looks so much different from the pictures. She is talkative one and annoying. Min looked almost like her pictures, big boobs (Fake boobs), short, skinny, cute and shy to begin with. In the end, she was the most talkative one and demanded more money in the end.

Both of them do not do DFK and no BBBJ. I asked for a BBBJ and she said it will cost 2000 extra, to which I said yes. They both were not bisexual and didn't want to kiss each other. I also checked for scar marks around their pussy to make sure they are not post-op transgenders, couldn't find any and they were naturally wet. Both of them were tight, Min was extra tight. I do not want get into into more details, there is nothing worthy to mention. I ended up paying them 11,000 bahts for just 1. 5 hours and I didn't even cum. They spent most of their time talking in Thai and on their phones. When they were F'ing they would make fake noises but not Min, she was extra tight and I know some of her moans were real. The turn off was, in the breaks we took, they would be talking in Thai and laughing. She demanded more money when they were leaving and I didn't give in. They were in hurry to make me cum, I guess that's why she offered 4000 bahts for 3 hours because most of her clients finish in an hour or less and then they leave.

Overall, it was F'all experience in Bangkok. I was always a Tinder guy, I'd like to think I am an average looking guy (I'd like to think I am a 6) with a 7 inch uncut tool. I am of Indian origin but not an Indian national. I have been lucky with meeting girls on Tinder; mostly Caucasians and have had some great experiences. I have always found it easier to strike with a Caucasian than an Asian. Asian's prefer Caucasians.

I ain't no expert to give advice on this forum but I am sure you will be able to learn something from my mistakes. There are tons of girls out there who will actually get wet for you, yes it's a lot of work to do but trust me its worth it. Tinder is a good place to start, but I'd recommend local bars and friends circle. For a lot of guys who are a bit less social like me or have zero to small social circle (or social life) trying making it an effort to go out with work mates or friends and meet people at pubs and bars. There are tons of girls out there who want meet guys to F and not for $$ You know that feeling, when the girl really wants to worship your cock because that's the only thing that is going to bring her joy that night, you don't get that feeling with most hookers. I know, they are doing it for money but it's their effin' job to do it like they mean it.

A lot of reviews on these escorts on their agency page are fake. And most girls are in business until they make enough money and find some rich guy who can look after them. No wonder why so many old Caucasians are married to these not so great looking (some good looking) Asian girls. Because they are submissive and do anything their partners ask.

I think I am going to take a break from F'ing and take up abstinence from sex for while, just to get over this experience. This experience has kind of put me off of sex, I know it's temporary and it is still fresh (it happened only a few hours ago). I hope the rest of the trip will be great and hopefully meet some great people.

The only positive thing about this whole thing was, when those 2 Thai hookers left my room, I got a call from the Lobby asking me if I was Okay. One thing is for sure, I don't think Asian chics will do for me.

Here are their ads.

http://bangkok.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/foxylady-from-denmark-whatsapp-45-25770791or-call-me-66-639846535/5269998

http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/cas/d/available-wm/6218893946.html

http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/cas/d/goof-girl-pretty-girl-wm/6226476348.html

I have also attached pdf's of their ads.

Anyway, I think I will be over it pretty soon. I think the best way to meet a hooker is also at bars and pubs or one of these expensive Gogo bars. They do have good looking ones and hence the reason why they are expensive.

I just hope everyone comes here and share their experiences so that they don't waste the money on hookers that are not worth. I am sure there are plenty of good ones out there, they just need to identified and this website can help us find them.

Well, that was my experience and I hope you guys do not end up meeting the the kind of hookers I met.

Happy hunting.

P.S. Please ignore the typos. It is still 5 am, I am sleep deprived and sex deprived, you can imagine how hard it is for me to write.I am almost speechless.

You obviously knew this forum was here because you posted a report. Thank you for that because it took guts to write that one.

I am just curious as to why you would ignore all the reports, advice and other good intel in this forum and go in the opposite direction that anyone on this forum would give you? Then the outcome is spending way to much money for shitty service doing it your way?

Now you want to swear off fucking? Don't swear off fucking, swear off fucking up.

Lots of fine women in Bangkok that will fuck your brains out.

Read the forum. Reach out to members that have experience on the ground via pm and stop doing shit your way because it doesn't work.

Don't try to recreate the wheel. The instruction for the wheel is in the forum so get on it and ride.

One last thing, that bi**h wasn't from Denmark. That was some broken down Russian Ho. LOL.

It occurs frequently when you come to Asia looking for white girls.

[Sunlover2]

If you have more days at hand, stop trawling Backpage, Craigslist or whatever other shit you have been looking at and head down to some of the oilies and soapies reviewed on the forum and get laid properly for a fraction of what you spent. You will thank me for it later.Agreed. Some punters fall back on the familiar and try to replicate their hookup methods from back home. Bangkok is a robust sex market with many different levels of opportunities and price points. Review the forum and take the advice. Learn to use the BTS / MRT transit systems and explore. Try an ISG member suggested oily / soapy / BJ shop to get that first experience under your belt. Get some swagger going!

My first P4 P experience in Bangkok was a real dud. I bought into the Annies hype and since it was within walking distance of the hotel I tried it. My thought afterwards was I just flew halfway around the world for this BS? But you pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.

The bounce back from a disappointing session (sex deprived) can be a thrill unto itself. Some young lady will realize that benefit when you make up for lost time 555.

SL.

[Dive Monger]

Agreed. Some punters fall back on the familiar and try to replicate their hookup methods from back home. Bangkok is a robust sex market with many different levels of opportunities and price points. Review the forum and take the advice. Learn to use the BTS / MRT transit systems and explore. Try an ISG member suggested oily / soapy / BJ shop to get that first experience under your belt. Get some swagger going!

My first P4 P experience in Bangkok was a real dud. I bought into the Annies hype and since it was within walking distance of the hotel I tried it. My thought afterwards was I just flew halfway around the world for this BS? But you pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.

The bounce back from a disappointing session (sex deprived) can be a thrill unto itself. Some young lady will realize that benefit when you make up for lost time 555.

SL.OMFG. Totally agree with all the chiding here. WTF could you possibly have been thinking? Or only thinking with the little head? In BKK, you just sit in almost any bar almost anywhere (if you are not a stinky ugly attitudinal bloke) and soon enough you'll have a girl sitting next to you you will be chatting with. As often as not, you will end up shagging her. Going all the way to BKK to sift through the dregs on Craigslist and Backpage is just nuts. And why in the world would one come to Thailand for white girls? If that is your thing, head to an FKK in Germany. Thanks anyway for posting your regrettable experience. Perhaps Jackson can make it a Report of Distinction as a distinct warning to others.

[Goatscrot]

On my trip last month I found Cowboy to be a bit off-putting compared to years ago. I like the more mild music and less pushy kind of thing. I ended up being much more comfortable hanging out in the beer bars around Soi Diana and LK Metro. Much more my style now, and I ended up shooting the breeze with a number of fellows, both visitors as well as some expats. Where would you say the expats mostly hang out nowadays? I'll head there on my next trip.Most expats I know head to oilies when they want to get laid or they have a list of phone numbers to order in. I know very few that are out on the prowl. Where do we hang out? Not in the girly bars, but in regular bars that have craft beer and other drinks and not too steep a price.

[Dive Monger]

Most expats I know head to oilies when they want to get laid or they have a list of phone numbers to order in. I know very few that are out on the prowl. Where do we hang out? Not in the girly bars, but in regular bars that have craft beer and other drinks and not too steep a price.Those kinds of places are my favorite as well. Next trip I'll send some PMs and see if I can find some fellows to raise a beer or two with. I have yet to make it over to Pattaya Sukhumvit area outside of central; the Sois between Beach, 2nd, and Buakhao and those roads themselves from Soi 2 to WS usually afford enough entertainment for me to get my fill at any time of day or night. Next time maybe I'll explore some other areas.

Since my trips are all pretty short (5-7 days max usually) that affords insufficient time to get a stable of numbers and fillies to book. But I have had very good luck with random massage ladies, and FLs in the beer bars, etc. Even bartenders. I just love Thailand so much, and have for decades. Yes it has changed. But so has the rest of the world. Great times are still easily had.

[Paolo99]

In BKK, you just sit in almost any bar almost anywhere (if you are not a stinky ugly attitudinal bloke) and soon enough you'll have a girl sitting next to you you will be chatting with. As often as not, you will end up shagging her. Going all the way to BKK to sift through the dregs on Craigslist and Backpage is just nuts. And why in the world would one come to Thailand for white girls? If that is your thing, head to an FKK in Germany. Thanks anyway for posting your regrettable experience. Perhaps Jackson can make it a Report of Distinction as a distinct warning to others.I would like to know where are these bars with girls coming to chat you up, most probably only ugly girls. Nowadays the pretty girls in bars in BKK are pretty hard to find.

And why would you think that his experience would be a warning for newbies, he admitted being a silent reader on ISG for quite some time. We constantly see these kind of posts from newbies. It seems to be a common trend for them to read the forum or ask advice and yet when they touch the Kingdom of Thailand's ground they prefer doing their own stuffs.

[LaunchLive]

Hey folks,

So, finally, me going to China on a business trip via Thai airways round trip and I will stop at Bangkok for 2-3 days on return from China.

Any guys who have been to Bangkok or In Bangkok, help me with good tips where to stay, where to go and what to do and the timings. Etc. Etc.

Will be great help. Waiting for replies here or PM.

Thanks in advance.

[SearcherMan]

In 2004 it was the FL's that rocked my world. In my recent trip it was an oily. If I had more time solo I would've checked out the beer bars. I found using ThaiCupid for contacts absolutely worthless. I did get a lead from a mamasan at Cho Chos beer bar that many ladies were available in a casual environment, seemingly like a Soi 7 one in Pattaya. I never got around to that, not much time and the MP's would take a week to explore if I could.

Count me in the crowd that tells the newbies not to waste one single moment with online crap. If you're going to waste your time, at least have the thrill of the hunt, cruising the MP's hitting up girls on Sukhumvit etc.

[Smoothy]

Both of them do not do DFK and no BBBJ. I asked for a BBBJ and she said it will cost 2000 extra, to which I said yes. Sorry, but I got a laugh out of this. She said 2000 baht extra just for BBBJ and you said "YES"? You should have said "get the hell out of my room".

[BionicMan]

Hey folks,

So, finally, me going to China on a business trip via Thai airways round trip and I will stop at Bangkok for 2-3 days on return from China.

Any guys who have been to Bangkok or In Bangkok, help me with good tips where to stay, where to go and what to do and the timings. Etc. Etc.

Will be great help. Waiting for replies here or PM.

Thanks in advance.Best reply is RTTF.

Why the hell is poeple writing reports, contributing with images, telling prices, attitude, suggestions and then a guy Christmas in and wants all delivered on a single plate.

[SearcherMan]

I read this article and its pretty disturbing.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/75952/sad-sleazy-desperate-men-paying-for-love-with-thai-girls/These "Romance Tour" schemes predate the internet and also go to PI, Ukraine, Russia, etc. They have their "success stories", sure. But I bet the #1 killer of these relationships is not the scamming of money to be sent back to family, but that many of these men live in bumfuck Idaho. These women need access to their food, compatriots, and some sort of other social stimulation other than some old man pissed off at younger, pretty UK / US women that won't fuck them, and think that they can order up a solution, Sears catalogue-style.

[Robert Long]

Agreed. Some punters fall back on the familiar and try to replicate their hookup methods from back home. Bangkok is a robust sex market with many different levels of opportunities and price points. Review the forum and take the advice. Learn to use the BTS / MRT transit systems and explore. Try an ISG member suggested oily / soapy / BJ shop to get that first experience under your belt. Get some swagger going!

My first P4 P experience in Bangkok was a real dud. I bought into the Annies hype and since it was within walking distance of the hotel I tried it. My thought afterwards was I just flew halfway around the world for this BS? But you pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.

The bounce back from a disappointing session (sex deprived) can be a thrill unto itself. Some young lady will realize that benefit when you make up for lost time 555.

SL.We have all made the simple mistakes that become learning experience's. Pick the wrong girl, think that WeChat is a good place to find a lady and then find out LB's lie and that is who shows up, pick an oily that is cheap and the girls are old and of course try a bar girl from Nana or Cowboy. You have to do it all to realize what's good and that even when you think you have it wired, it bites you in the butt. Love the adventure in Bkk.

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RL.

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[EihTooms]

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Overall, it was F'all experience in Bangkok. I was always a Tinder guy, I'd like to think I am an average looking guy (I'd like to think I am a 6) with a 7 inch uncut tool. I am of Indian origin but not an Indian national. I have been lucky with meeting girls on Tinder; mostly Caucasians and have had some great experiences. I have always found it easier to strike with a Caucasian than an Asian. Asian's prefer Caucasians.

I ain't no expert to give advice on this forum but I am sure you will be able to learn something from my mistakes. There are tons of girls out there who will actually get wet for you, yes it's a lot of work to do but trust me its worth it. Tinder is a good place to start, but I'd recommend local bars and friends circle. For a lot of guys who are a bit less social like me or have zero to small social circle (or social life) trying making it an effort to go out with work mates or friends and meet people at pubs and bars. There are tons of girls out there who want meet guys to F and not for $$ You know that feeling, when the girl really wants to worship your cock because that's the only thing that is going to bring her joy that night, you don't get that feeling with most hookers. I know, they are doing it for money but it's their effin' job to do it like they mean it.

A lot of reviews on these escorts on their agency page are fake. And most girls are in business until they make enough money and find some rich guy who can look after them. No wonder why so many old Caucasians are married to these not so great looking (some good looking) Asian girls. Because they are submissive and do anything their partners ask.

I think I am going to take a break from F'ing and take up abstinence from sex for while, just to get over this experience. This experience has kind of put me off of sex, I know it's temporary and it is still fresh (it happened only a few hours ago). I hope the rest of the trip will be great and hopefully meet some great people.

The only positive thing about this whole thing was, when those 2 Thai hookers left my room, I got a call from the Lobby asking me if I was Okay. One thing is for sure, I don't think Asian chics will do for me.

Here are their ads.

http://bangkok.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/foxylady-from-denmark-whatsapp-45-25770791or-call-me-66-639846535/5269998

http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/cas/d/available-wm/6218893946.html

http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/cas/d/goof-girl-pretty-girl-wm/6226476348.html

I have also attached pdf's of their ads.

Anyway, I think I will be over it pretty soon. I think the best way to meet a hooker is also at bars and pubs or one of these expensive Gogo bars. They do have good looking ones and hence the reason why they are expensive.

I just hope everyone comes here and share their experiences so that they don't waste the money on hookers that are not worth. I am sure there are plenty of good ones out there, they just need to identified and this website can help us find them.

Well, that was my experience and I hope you guys do not end up meeting the the kind of hookers I met.

Happy hunting.

P.S. Please ignore the typos. It is still 5 am, I am sleep deprived and sex deprived, you can imagine how hard it is for me to write.I see this as the core message of your post, HighwayMan18, and I thank you for it. You have obviously had some experience in the regular beer bars and go-go bars mentioned by others here and seem to have identified your ethic origins as a possible reason it has not worked out so well for you with Asian/Thai girls in Bangkok. My observations are you are probably correct in that conclusion. Yes, there are some exceptions, but they are rare. I sure don't see too many exceptions going on around me whenever I spend the night prowling around Bangkok beer bars, go-go bars, blowjob bars, etc. So I totally understand why you would instead return to Tinder or give Backpage / Craigslist a try in this regard. If nothing else, any rejections or tricks you might suffer as a result would for the most part be private ones and not such public ones as they can be in a bar. I most certainly get that.

Meanwhile, you were very helpful in pointing out the scammers you encountered through those sources. Thanks for that too.

[MrManGuy]

When you are abroad, you are an ambassador for your race and your nation. Rightly or wrongly people will see you in the same way that your countrymen behave. Once a perception is earned, it can take a lot to change it but I believe it can be changed.

I still don't think race really comes into it as long as you have the money to spend at GoGo bars, you should find something. There are so many of them that even if the bars aimed at Koreans and Japanese won't accept Indians, there will be many that will.

[EihTooms]

Sorry, but I got a laugh out of this. She said 2000 baht extra just for BBBJ and you said "YES"? You should have said "get the hell out of my room".Well, that depends. Sure, if you are of certain ethnic origins that are the happy recipients of an abundance of low cost or even no cost BBBJ offers day in and day out from decent looking Asian / Thai girls all over Bangkok, then it would be ridiculous to accept such an offer. In fact, very few Thai girls would be foolish enough to even suggest such an offer to a member of those ethnic groups.

On the other hand, if you were a member of an ethnic group that has never, not once (or very, very rarely), had a decent looking Asian / Thai girl even allow her lips and tongue to come within arms distance of your bare dick and balls for any amount of money, then an offer from one to do it for 2,000 baht ($60 USD) might seem like an offer you cannot afford to refuse.

[EihTooms]

When you are abroad, you are an ambassador for your race and your nation. Rightly or wrongly people will see you in the same way that your countrymen behave. Once a perception is earned, it can take a lot to change it but I believe it can be changed.

I still don't think race really comes into it as long as you have the money to spend at GoGo bars, you should find something. There are so many of them that even if the bars aimed at Koreans and Japanese won't accept Indians, there will be many that will.I have spent several hours per week, virtually every week for the past 5 years or so, enjoying the various bars in Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy. I see tons of Indian men, alone and in groups, wandering in and out of those bars. I almost never see the girls working in those bars making a play for them, even hustling them for Lady Drinks, grabbing them by the sleeve and asking them to pay bar for them, something I get almost everywhere every time. I could probably count on the fingers of two hands how many times out of hundreds or thousands of possibilities I have seen a decent looking beer bar or go-go girl walking out of a bar arm in arm with one of those Indians on their way to a Short Time hotel or their own hotel / apartment. I have seen it. But not very often and it must represent a tiny fraction of a single percentage of the ones who go there to find a willing woman.

The more public the venue or method, the more difficult it is likely to be for an Indian man to simply offer a wad of money and bed down an Asian / Thai girl. For example, HighwayMan18 tried some sources that would probably be more likely to get him hooked up with an Asian / Thai girl than in a beer bar or go-go bar because they are private and not public hook ups.

It is all very nice for some of us to just say, hey, dust yourself off and get back in the game, keep swinging. But there are some conditions that cannot be changed so easily if at all. It is not the same as "our" experience. Not even close. IMO, that should be acknowledged and respected.

[TimTimGuy]

I read this article and its pretty disturbing. The disturbing bit is that these guys are thinking about marrying one of the ladies.

[RyeHumor63]

I have been spending my time at soapies / oilies and freelancers for a week or so and would like to hit the go go bars and maybe clubs tomorrow or Sunday. I normally am fine alone but if any members or visitors want to meet from around 930 when the evening starts in soi cowboy / hit me up with a message.

Thanks.

[Blanquiceleste]

Best reply is RTTF.

Why the hell is poeple writing reports, contributing with images, telling prices, attitude, suggestions and then a guy Christmas in and wants all delivered on a single plate.Class A manager from you know where! And when you point it out the racist card is pulled.

[Blanquiceleste]

I read this article and its pretty disturbing.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/75952/sad-sleazy-desperate-men-paying-for-love-with-thai-girls/What, exactly, is the relevance of this post to this thread?

[Dive Monger]

I would like to know where are these bars with girls coming to chat you up, most probably only ugly girls. Nowadays the pretty girls in bars in BKK are pretty hard to find.

And why would you think that his experience would be a warning for newbies, he admitted being a silent reader on ISG for quite some time. We constantly see these kind of posts from newbies. It seems to be a common trend for them to read the forum or ask advice and yet when they touch the Kingdom of Thailand's ground they prefer doing their own stuffs.I gave up on trying to get 'the prettiest girls in BKK' to chat me up a long time ago. Now, since I am a fat old white guy, most of the girls that I end up spending time with I'm sure most of the mongers here. Urely the ones under 40 or maybe even under 50 - might find quite unacceptable. My message to them: wait another 25 years and see what happens. If I want a model-quality drop-dead gorgeous Thai girl, then I might go to one of the high-end gogo bars and spread enormous amounts of money around. But for me, 7000+ baht for ST with a stunner who has an attitude and can't wait to get back to the bar is absolutely not value for my money A monger friend of mine decades ago used to say "one hairy hole is pretty much like another" (although thank god in Thailand most of the women keep that snatch shaved).

So since I am ok with 40+ gals, and over the moon with gals closer to 30, it is not difficult for me. I picked up a lovely lady 35 yo in the bar on the left just after you turn up Sukhumvit towards Nana Plaza but before you get to the Nana entrance (can't recall the damn name of the bar now) and it was great. Expensive, because she was the best looker I've had in some years, but fit my specifications pretty much exactly:

- 149 cm.

-41 kg.

-straight black hair down to the crack of her ass.

-no tattoos.

-no cigarrettes.

-no facial or exotic body piercings (only ears for earrings).

-decent english.

-very pretty smile, very pretty face.

Let me see, I think I paid a 700 baht barfine? And ended up giving her 4000 for all night. Took her out of the bar at around 10 PM, she left my hotel next morning at around 9:30 AM Excellent service. Perfectly shaved and very tasty pussy, puffy nipples (not common) on pert tiny little boobs. Exactly my preference. (for me, big tits are highly overrated) Took me about 3 minutes after entering the bar to see her sitting by herself, catch her eye and a little smile, bought her a drink, and shortly afterward sealed the deal.

Sorry no photos. Didn't have my secure digital pocket camera with me this trip, and hooker photos on the cellphone (which I use for work also) is just too risky.

So, maybe because I don't have super high expectations, wonderful things just fall into my lap. The key here is to be flexible, recognize that a bird in the hand is worth two in the Bush, and do not equivocate or waste a lot of time if you see a possible target.

P.S. Jackson, the aggressive text modification on preview and post of what someone has written is absolutely maddening. Can't use ellipses? It auto uppercase things it thinks are names? Sigh.

[ConquerorVal]

What I find disturbing about this article is the way the female writer describes the middle aged white men as pervy and creepy. Almost feel sorry for the men. They have a lot more to loose than the Thai women. Its a biased article written by a man hating white female. Twats like this are and will be the bane of any monger's lifestyle.


I read this article and its pretty disturbing.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/75952/sad-sleazy-desperate-men-paying-for-love-with-thai-girls

[Smoothy]

Well, that depends. Sure, if you are of certain ethnic origins that are the happy recipients of an abundance of low cost or even no cost BBBJ offers day in and day out from decent looking Asian / Thai girls all over Bangkok, then it would be ridiculous to accept such an offer. In fact, very few Thai girls would be foolish enough to even suggest such an offer to a member of those ethnic groups.

On the other hand, if you were a member of an ethnic group that has never, not once (or very, very rarely), had a decent looking Asian / Thai girl even allow her lips and tongue to come within arms distance of your bare dick and balls for any amount of money, then an offer from one to do it for 2,000 baht ($60 USD) might seem like an offer you cannot afford to refuse.I think that may be a bit of an exaggeration. I have many Indian friends. Although they are blocked from certain go-gos who pull the members only claim on them, there are many massage places and night clubs they can go. They don't have any problem having sex with Thai girls in Bangkok. Not only do they get Blow jobs sans condom, they get anal from the Thai girls. I went to Angel massage years ago with an Indian coworker who had never been out of India before. This was prior to Angel charging the full price up front. They used to charge 500 for the massage then you negotiate with the girl in the room for more. He went upstairs with an absolute stunner. He came out of there raving about how great it was. Later, I asked him how much extra he had to pay the girl above the 500 baht (it was normally 1500 more for full sex). He said he didn't give her any more. I asked him if she didn't complain. He said maybe she might have been, but she didn't speak enough English for him to understand. I suggested it would be ethical if he went back and gave her some more money, but he refused. He said they should charge the money up front if they want that much. Now they do.

[Syzygies]

I read this article and its pretty disturbing.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/75952/sad-sleazy-desperate-men-paying-for-love-with-thai-girls/You stated that girls in it just for the money was a turn off for you. So strange you went for the Escorts. P4 P is about girls making money, and us getting a fuck. By coincidence some of the girls have orgasms, but it is not guaranteed.

As for the article, for sure many of us guys missed out on a great sex life for a variety of reasons. Yes it is sad and we may be desperate. Nothing wrong with that. Why should only a small percentage of guys have access to great sex? The wives or GFs were crap in bed, or our performance did not turn them on, whatever. The point is sex can be pleasurable enough that we are happy to pay for it, to get a girl outside our normal means. Nothing wrong with that.

I have a GF. It is accepted that we are not sexually compatible, so we have very good sex, but just not often. She is okay With me getting sex from other sources as she accepts she is not able to provide properly.

It's a stupid society value that there is something sinful or intrinsically wrong with paying money to get a good fuck. IF mongering was not possible, I would have been forced to dump my GF long ago, in desperation to try to find a hot GF that liked to get sex a lot (maybe an impossible task for me at my age).

Yes I see plenty of sleezy guys in the bars. So what? The girls put up with sleezy guys in order to make money. I am seeing girls acting extremely sleezy in there too. They need to make up for their crap looks, somehow. They got to make money somehow.

We all know you can't buy love, its just paying for a service, be it sex or otherwise. Some girls can sometimes enjoy their work. No law against that. However a hooker does not make a GF. You can only tell what a girl really likes to do, when she does not get paid.

[Member #4698]

What I find disturbing about this article is the way the female writer describes the middle aged white men as pervy and creepy. Almost feel sorry for the men. They have a lot more to loose than the Thai women. Its a biased article written by a man hating white female. Twats like this are and will be the bane of any monger's lifestyle.


What, exactly, is the relevance of this post to this thread?The article (https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/ne...th-thai-girls/) is nothing more than the usual western feminazi propaganda. What is disturbing, if you bother to think about it, is the depth and level the western media, western universities, western political parties, and even popular western culture have been taken over by this mind set and a whole range of other politicaly correct bull. It is like a plague taking over the minds of people. Its very creepy and reminds me of the original 1950's movie, " the Invasian of the Body Snatchers." All I can say is the West better get it's shit together and beat down this political correctness or there won't be a West.

Ok. Rant Over. But this is kind of important. If we give away our freedoms willingly, we won't be getting them back for a thousand years or more. Pursuit of Happiness & the Free Market Place; what radical, neanderthal, misogynist, and DEPLORABLE ideas are these? Just ask a Feminazi.

[SearcherMan]

What I find disturbing about this article is the way the female writer describes the middle aged white men as pervy and creepy. Almost feel sorry for the men. They have a lot more to loose than the Thai women. Its a biased article written by a man hating white female. Twats like this are and will be the bane of any monger's lifestyle.Translation:

"She won't fuck me so she's a twat and my bane."

Got it.

[SearcherMan]

The article (https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/ne...th-thai-girls/) is nothing more than the usual western feminazi propaganda. What is disturbing, if you bother to think about it, is the depth and level the western media, western universities, and western popular culture have been taken over by this and a whole range of other politicaly correct bull crap. It is like a cancer or plague taking over the minds of the people just like " the Invasian of the Body Snatchers" or something. All I can say is the West better get its shit together or there won't be a West.

Ok. Rant Over. But this is kind of important. If we give away our freedoms, we won't be getting them back for a thoudand years or more.No one is threatening your right to snowflakery over the existence of women who won't fuck you.

[ConquerorVal]

I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about and what kind of translation app you are using, since you totally missed my point.


Translation:

"She won't fuck me so she's a twat and my bane."

Got it.

[Horatio]

I ifications pretty much exactly:

- 149 cm.

-41 kg.

-straight black hair down to the crack of her ass.

-no tattoos.

-no cigarrettes.

-no facial or exotic body piercings (only ears for earrings).

-decent english.

-very pretty smile, very pretty face.

Let me see, I think I paid a 700 baht barfine? And ended up giving her 4000 for all night. Took her out of the bar at around 10 PM, she left my hotel next morning at around 9:30 AM Excellent service. Perfectly shaved and very tasty pussy, puffy nipples (not common) on pert tiny little boobs. Exactly my preference. (for me, big tits are highly overrated) Took me about 3 minutes after entering the bar to see her sitting by herself, catch her eye and a little smile, bought her a drink, and shortly afterward sealed the deal.

? Sigh.I am going to be in Thailand in 12 days. What you described is exactly what I want. Maybe not shaved, but everything else sounds perfect and shaved is okay. Was she a rare find or there if you look?

[Dextro Sol]

So since I am ok with 40+ gals, and over the moon with gals closer to 30, it is not difficult for me. I picked up a lovely lady 35 yo in the bar on the left just after you turn up Sukhumvit towards Nana Plaza but before you get to the Nana entrance (can't recall the damn name of the bar now) and it was great. Expensive, because she was the best looker I've had in some years, but fit my specifications pretty much exactly:

- 149 cm.

-41 kg.

-straight black hair down to the crack of her ass.

-no tattoos.

-no cigarrettes.

-no facial or exotic body piercings (only ears for earrings).

-decent english.

-very pretty smile, very pretty face.

Sounds great, same as my taste!! The bars on the left side when you turn from Suk is 1. Morning Night 2. Stumble Inn and 3. Big Dogs. Maybe it has changed since google drived past and took the pics.

[Dive Monger]

I am going to be in Thailand in 12 days. What you described is exactly what I want. Maybe not shaved, but everything else sounds perfect and shaved is okay. Was she a rare find or there if you look?Horatio,

I would say that about 75% of the girls in BKK (at least in the areas I hang out in) are less than 157 cm and less than 50 kg (110 lbs). Probably 25% don't bleach their hair or cut it short. I forgot one of my requirements: I hate silicone boobs, small and pert are what I like, with nips I can hang an umbrella on. Nowadays it is getting harder to find slim petite girls without plastic boobs; apparently they are not satisfied with small tits on a small frame, which is quite a shame. I would say that on any given evening prowling, I can find quite a few that match these requirements. Now though I would say 1 in 20 or 30; decades ago it was more like 1 in 4 or 5, but in the intervening years girls have gained weight, tattoos, body piercings, and punk hairstyles. Oh, and silicone boobs. But in Tilac in Soi Cowboy there were probably three or four that physically were fine, another couple in Suzie Wong, another 2 or 3 in Long Gun. In the beer bars around, I would find one or two like this in each of over half of the bars. So considering there are literally thousands of providers in BKK, I would say that you will have no problems. Note however that MANY of the girls are now 28-40 years old; I think the young stunners have all been snapped up by the exclusive places catering to Korean and Japanese punters, who hurl money at the girls in great wads. Good for them, they should make maximum cash while they can; time marches on and sooner or later they will be in their late 30's in beer bars hoping for the occasional customer.

[Dive Monger]

Sounds great, same as my taste!! The bars on the left side when you turn from Suk is 1. Morning Night 2. Stumble Inn and 3. Big Dogs. Maybe it has changed since google drived past and took the pics.I think it was Stumble Inn. I'm generally too busy scoping out gash to pay attention to signs.

[Smoothy]

Translation:

"She won't fuck me so she's a twat and my bane."

Got it.Seriously dude? It seems you missed the entire point of his post. I can't speak for the guy so I could be wrong about his intent, but it looks to me that he said nothing about wanting to fuck the author of that article. I read it that he said he didn't appreciate her twattish "holier-than-thou" attitude towards the men involved in that dating / marriage service. Hell, just the title of her crap article "Sad, sleazy, desperate men pay for love" is enough. I don't know if I'd want to have sex with the woman who wrote that article because I don't know if she's hot or not, nor if she would want to fuck me even if I wanted to fuck her, but that has nothing to due with the fact that she is obviously a clueless and judgemental twat. Although I have never tried that service because I'm lucky enough to live in Southeast Asia, I personally see nothing wrong with it. I don't pass judgement on those guys or the girls in the service. The guys are looking for a companion and the girls are looking for monetary stability. Seems fair all around in my eyes.

One another note: have you tried Ice at Crazy House yet? I saw her the other day. She still looks good.

[ConquerorVal]

Yes, thank you Smoothy. You got it.


It seems you missed the entire point of his post. I can't speak for the guy so I could be wrong about his intent, but it looks to me that he said nothing about wanting to fuck the author of that article. I read it that he said he didn't appreciate her twattish "holier-than-thou" attitude towards the men involved in that dating / marriage service. Hell, just the title of her crap article "Sad, sleazy, desperate men pay for love" is enough. .

[MrManGuy]

I gave up on trying to get 'the prettiest girls in BKK' to chat me up a long time ago. Now, since I am a fat old white guy, most of the girls that I end up spending time with I'm sure most of the mongers here. Urely the ones under 40 or maybe even under 50 - might find quite unacceptable. My message to them: wait another 25 years and see what happens. If I want a model-quality drop-dead gorgeous Thai girl, then I might go to one of the high-end gogo bars and spread enormous amounts of money around. But for me, 7000+ baht for ST with a stunner who has an attitude and can't wait to get back to the bar is absolutely not value for my money A monger friend of mine decades ago used to say "one hairy hole is pretty much like another" (although thank god in Thailand most of the women keep that snatch shaved).

So since I am ok with 40+ gals, and over the moon with gals closer to 30, it is not difficult for me. I picked up a lovely lady 35 yo in the bar on the left just after you turn up Sukhumvit towards Nana Plaza but before you get to the Nana entrance (can't recall the damn name of the bar now) and it was great. Expensive, because she was the best looker I've had in some years, but fit my specifications pretty much exactly:

- 149 cm.

-41 kg.

-straight black hair down to the crack of her ass.

-no tattoos.

-no cigarrettes.

-no facial or exotic body piercings (only ears for earrings).

-decent english.

-very pretty smile, very pretty face.

Let me see, I think I paid a 700 baht barfine? And ended up giving her 4000 for all night. Took her out of the bar at around 10 PM, she left my hotel next morning at around 9:30 AM Excellent service. Perfectly shaved and very tasty pussy, puffy nipples (not common) on pert tiny little boobs. Exactly my preference. (for me, big tits are highly overrated) Took me about 3 minutes after entering the bar to see her sitting by herself, catch her eye and a little smile, bought her a drink, and shortly afterward sealed the deal.

Sorry no photos. Didn't have my secure digital pocket camera with me this trip, and hooker photos on the cellphone (which I use for work also) is just too risky.

So, maybe because I don't have super high expectations, wonderful things just fall into my lap. The key here is to be flexible, recognize that a bird in the hand is worth two in the Bush, and do not equivocate or waste a lot of time if you see a possible target.

P.S. Jackson, the aggressive text modification on preview and post of what someone has written is absolutely maddening. Can't use ellipses? It auto uppercase things it thinks are names? Sigh.7000 for ST? Certainly wouldn't pay that, never been quoted that much before.

[SearcherMan]

Seriously dude? It seems you missed the entire point of his post. I can't speak for the guy so I could be wrong about his intent, but it looks to me that he said nothing about wanting to fuck the author of that article. I read it that he said he didn't appreciate her twattish "holier-than-thou" attitude towards the men involved in that dating / marriage service. Hell, just the title of her crap article "Sad, sleazy, desperate men pay for love" is enough. I don't know if I'd want to have sex with the woman who wrote that article because I don't know if she's hot or not, nor if she would want to fuck me even if I wanted to fuck her, but that has nothing to due with the fact that she is obviously a clueless and judgemental twat. Although I have never tried that service because I'm lucky enough to live in Southeast Asia, I personally see nothing wrong with it. I don't pass judgement on those guys or the girls in the service. The guys are looking for a companion and the girls are looking for monetary stability. Seems fair all around in my eyes.

One another note: have you tried Ice at Crazy House yet? I saw her the other day. She still looks good.When guys pull that "feminazi" drivel that's what's behind their sniveling, "she won't fuck me".

There are plenty of well informed, sex positive feminists out there that support women who choose to be sex workers. My fave used to be a sex worker, Alana Massey. He needs to broaden his exposure to modern feminist thought and save his babble for a Trump rally. If people want to judge us, and those women who choose the profession we patronize, Alana has our back. She did a vicious take down of Rashida Jones on this, over porn, but she defends all sex workers from sanctimonious bullshit.

http://www.alanakm.com/alanakm-blog/2015/02/01/a-big-hat-tip-to-moms-in-porn

"The truth is, being a parent is a remarkably common reason that women do go into various forms of sex work. Because mothers often care more about providing for their children with food and shelter than providing them with comforting narratives of their mom's impeccable moral hygiene. There are plenty of mothers out there making their living in porn and this be- perpetuating the narrative that this ought to be a source of shame is making it worse for the families that might eventually have to grapple with these issues. So shut the fuck up about moms."

The day I was free to hit CH was Vassana, and I walked the area and all was closed. I regret missing Ice. I know her price would've been steeper, but I would've payed if she was like the image you so wonderfully painted of her. I prioritized my previous, first run through BKK at the oilies, and was not disappointed.

[CaptainJapan]

I read this article and its pretty disturbing.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/75952/sad-sleazy-desperate-men-paying-for-love-with-thai-girls/More nonsense from feminists in the West who continue to deteriorate relationships between men and women. So these men have found an alternative to have a relationship with women who have traditional family values. Now these femi-Nazis was to disparage these men.

[CallSign Papa]

The average western girl doesn't frequent the types of places we do. They don't understand the ecosystem we (and working girls) inhabit and they have clear moral judgements about guys paying for sex. That's fine, it's the way it's always been. 80% of girls will automatically think you're a loser if they know you'd rather bang a 22 year old Asian chick than a mid-30's white girl.

What bugs me is the automatic assumption that the guy is taking advantage of the girl. There haven't been any occasions where the girl I've been with has been short-changed, but plenty where I have been.

Terms like feminazi are facile. The truth is that women very rarely have any real power outside of marriage. So it's their right to be offended by our erotic proclivities and it's damn well our right to carry on enjoying ourselves regardless.

[Member #4698]

When guys pull that "feminazi" drivel that's what's behind their sniveling, "she won't fuck me".

There are plenty of well informed, sex positive feminists out there that support women who choose to be sex workers. My fave used to be a sex worker, Alana Massey. He needs to broaden his exposure to modern feminist thought and save his babble for a Trump rally. If people want to judge us, and those women who choose the profession we patronize, Alana has our back. She did a vicious take down of Rashida Jones on this, over porn, but she defends all sex workers from sanctimonious bullshit.Wow, I must have hit a sensitive trip wire in your political makeup. Calm down! We are just having a discussion. There is no need for you to get nasty. Nastiness is usually a sign of a weak, but strongly held position.

Yes, you can mention one feminist free thinker that goes against the party line. I like reading Camilia Paglia from time to time. But these independent feminine free thinkers are very few compared to the vast majority of feminists who are feminazis and hold power. And in Ms Paglia's case, she destroys the modern feminine leftwing (feminazi) philosophy. But I totally understand why you hate that term; Feminazi. It's because it's so accurate and drives a stake into the heart of your precarious position. Too bad. Here is just one example of the real work of Feminazis in action. I know in advance you would attack the author and the publication instead of arguing the merits and validity of the piece, that is how your political ilk operate, so I will withhold that information for thetime being, so you can concentrate on the piece and possibly comprehend how far this movement has gone in eroding our freedoms and rights under the Constitution and Bill of Rights of the USA.

"consider this legal complaint, directed at Indiana University. It is simply astounding. The university expelled a male student for sexual misconduct even though the female student allegedly admitted that she invited the male student into her bedroom, asked him to retrieve a sex toy, and asked him to have sex with her. She told the Bloomington police department, "I was, like, telling him, like, to have sex with me. ".

The resulting university proceedings were allegedly a due-process horror show, featuring university hearing officers trained by an official "who admits that he starts each case believing the defendant is guilty. " The lawsuit points to news reports where this same official admitted to trying to "break" another defendant.

And speaking of due-process horror shows, this case from James Madison University shows how universities engineer the results they want. After an initial finding that the male defendant was "not responsible" on the charge of sexual misconduct, the female student appealed. The appeals panel reversed the finding and sanctioned the male student. The male student sued, and a federal judge ruled in his favor, finding that "no reasonable jury" could find that he was given a "fair process. " The reasons were legion:

In short, Doe, the male student, was given no opportunity to respond to some of the evidence. . . , was hampered by the rules prohibiting contact with witnesses or limited by time constraints in responding to others. . . , and was not permitted to appear before the appeal board. . . . Additionally, because the appeal board made no finding of responsibility by Doe and provided no reasons for its "Increased Sanction" decision, the appeal board decision and its review. . . Were unfair to Doe.

I bring up these cases not because they're unusual but because they're becoming all too typical on campuses overrun by identity politics and governed by a federal educational bureaucracy that is lawlessly expanding Title IX and other federal statutes well beyond their intended scope. For disturbing chapter and verse on this sad and unconstitutional spectacle, I'the urge you to read Robert Shibley's excellent Twisting Title IX. The new regime mandates that universities conduct their own quasicourt proceedings to adjudicate criminal matters best left to real courts, sanctions and encourages "due process" that often denies legal assistance to defendants, and effectively shifts the burden of proof (through bizarre "affirmative consent" standards) to the accused. In a Title IX investigation, the accused is often prevented from adequately reviewing the charges against him and prevented from adequately questioning witnesses. University officials conduct themselves in a manner that would embarrass even corrupt or amateurish judges and prosecutors. ".

[SearcherMan]

TLDR: This right here, it bores me. You bring up a constitutional-criminal issue, all just to justify a meaningless, vapid slogan. I was speaking about the socio-political issues; apples. Oranges. You almost wasted my time. Do yourself a favor, don't waste yours too.


Wow, I must have hit a sensitive trip wire in your political makeup. Calm down! We are just having a discussion. There is no need for you to get nasty. Nastiness is usually a sign of a weak, but strongly held position.

Yes, you can mention one feminist free thinker that goes against the party line. I like reading Camilia Paglia from time to time. But these independent feminine free thinkers are very few compared to the vast majority of feminists who are feminazis and hold power. And in Ms Paglia's case, she destroys the modern feminine leftwing (feminazi) philosophy. But I totally understand why you hate that term; Feminazi. It's because it's so accurate and drives a stake into the heart of your precarious position. Too bad. Here is just one example of the real work of Feminazis in action. I know in advance you would attack the author and the publication instead of arguing the merits and validity of the piece, that is how your political ilk operate, so I will withhold that information for thetime being, so you can concentrate on the piece and possibly comprehend how far this movement has gone in eroding our freedoms and rights under the Constitution and Bill of Rights of the USA..

[Member #4698]

TLDR: This right here, it bores me. You bring up a constitutional-criminal issue, all just to justify a meaningless, vapid slogan. I was speaking about the socio-political issues; apples. Oranges. You almost wasted my time. Do yourself a favor, don't waste yours too.Thanks for the advice. That and a couple of bucks will buy me a cup of coffee.

[UltraHappy]

I bring up these cases not because they're unusual but because they're becoming all too typical on campuses overrun by identity politics and governed by a federal educational bureaucracy that is lawlessly expanding Title IX and other federal statutes well beyond their intended scope. For disturbing chapter and verse on this sad and unconstitutional spectacle, I'the urge you to read Robert Shibley's excellent Twisting Title IX. The new regime mandates that universities conduct their own quasicourt proceedings to adjudicate criminal matters best left to real courts, sanctions and encourages "due process" that often denies legal assistance to defendants, and effectively shifts the burden of proof (through bizarre "affirmative consent" standards) to the accused. In a Title IX investigation, the accused is often prevented from adequately reviewing the charges against him and prevented from adequately questioning witnesses. University officials conduct themselves in a manner that would embarrass even corrupt or amateurish judges and prosecutors. ".Everything that Natty Bumpo says about many of the University Title IX hearings is true. Just to add some balance to those observations, I would simply add the following:

There are no criminal consequences to a University Title IX hearing. The worse consequence is expulsion from the University. So, yes, life altering, but it's not any criminal finding. Yes, the University can refer a matter to the police and turn over the evidence they collected, but then the normal criminal system handles that procedure as normal.

The whole idea behind these procedures is that Universities have an obligation to provide a safe educational environment for their students. Before the Clery Act for example, there were incidents involving male students who committed truly horrible, despicable acts against a girl or girls who then went on to commit other truly horrible, despicable acts against other girls. The idea behind these proceedings is that the University should remove these male predators from campus to protect the students. Take the story of Jeanne Clery, the 19 year old girl who was raped and murdered on campus under some horrific circumstances (The Clery Act is named after her). Nobody wants to even think about their daughters ever being subjected to such horrors.

So, these University proceedings certainly have a place in keeping our students safe. At the same time, yes, the frenzy sometimes goes too far at some Universities and we end up with people taking things to extremes.

So, while I certainly don't want to detract from any of Mr. Natty Bumpo's valuable contributions, I did want to add some additional information for balance.

[Goatscrot]

The average western girl doesn't frequent the types of places we do. They don't understand the ecosystem we (and working girls) inhabit and they have clear moral judgements about guys paying for sex. That's fine, it's the way it's always been. 80% of girls will automatically think you're a loser if they know you'd rather bang a 22 year old Asian chick than a mid-30's white girl.

What bugs me is the automatic assumption that the guy is taking advantage of the girl. There haven't been any occasions where the girl I've been with has been short-changed, but plenty where I have been.

Terms like feminazi are facile. The truth is that women very rarely have any real power outside of marriage. So it's their right to be offended by our erotic proclivities and it's damn well our right to carry on enjoying ourselves regardless.A very good assessment of the matter in question. I agree with your stance 100%.

[Blanquiceleste]

A very good assessment of the matter in question. I agree with your stance 100%.


Seriously dude? It seems you missed the entire point of his post. I can't speak for the guy so I could be wrong about his intent, but it looks to me that he said nothing about wanting to fuck the author of that article.


In a Title IX investigation, the accused is often prevented from adequately reviewing the charges against him and prevented from adequately questioning witnesses. University officials conduct themselves in a manner that would embarrass even corrupt or amateurish judges and prosecutors. ".


When guys pull that "feminazi" drivel that's what's behind their sniveling, "she won't fuck me".


So it's their right to be offended by our erotic proclivities and it's damn well our right to carry on enjoying ourselves regardless.Meanwhile, is anyone getting any sex in BKK?

Perhaps we need a new thread called "Shooting The Breeze".

[CallSign Papa]

Meanwhile, is anyone getting any sex in BKK?

It's a good point, well made.

Was in BKK last week staying a stone's throw from Cowboy (which is usually my favourite haunt) but was actually tempted to the Nana side. Had one very fine experience with a girl from the club that used to be called "Bubbles" but has been renamed. Had been having a very pleasant time at a high table having my dick stroked by a very friendly and only half drunk spinner. It became clear that we had the same idea about what constituted a good time and we agreed 2000. I think the BF was 600. Off we went to the ST hotel literally on the same floor of the plaza, where I paid 300 for a room, towels and a condom (didn't use it).

She was very fun, really into it and after 30 minutes of going at it we collapsed in a heap. Think her number was 11, and her name was Nam (Was also quite lazy during work appointments and had a few different girls visit me at my hotel in the afternoons. Met then on Badoo (the location search is a godsend). Two were amazing (one thai, one pinay), 1 was a dud. All three involved a nice long massage followed by a bumping of uglies. The dud (who used a false photo) got 1500, the other 2000 and the both stayed two hours. The thai girl came back from a second appointment where we skipped the massage and went straight to the fun.

[Blanquiceleste]

It's a good point, well made.

Was in BKK last week staying a stone's throw from Cowboy (which is usually my favourite haunt) but was actually tempted to the Nana side. Had one very fine experience with a girl from the club that used to be called "Bubbles" but has been renamed. Had been having a very pleasant time at a high table having my dick stroked by a very friendly and only half drunk spinner. It became clear that we had the same idea about what constituted a good time and we agreed 2000. I think the BF was 600. Off we went to the ST hotel literally on the same floor of the plaza, where I paid 300 for a room, towels and a condom (didn't use it).

She was very fun, really into it and after 30 minutes of going at it we collapsed in a heap. Think her number was 11, and her name was Nam (Was also quite lazy during work appointments and had a few different girls visit me at my hotel in the afternoons. Met then on Badoo (the location search is a godsend). Two were amazing (one thai, one pinay), 1 was a dud. All three involved a nice long massage followed by a bumping of uglies. The dud (who used a false photo) got 1500, the other 2000 and the both stayed two hours. The thai girl came back from a second appointment where we skipped the massage and went straight to the fun.We are back in business gents! And it takes a PH regular (relatively) to show us the way.

Great summary report. Thank you.

[Gannaton48]

It's a good point, well made.

Was in BKK last week staying a stone's throw from Cowboy (which is usually my favourite haunt) but was actually tempted to the Nana side. Had one very fine experience with a girl from the club that used to be called "Bubbles" but has been renamed. Had been having a very pleasant time at a high table having my dick stroked by a very friendly and only half drunk spinner. It became clear that we had the same idea about what constituted a good time and we agreed 2000. I think the BF was 600. Off we went to the ST hotel literally on the same floor of the plaza, where I paid 300 for a room, towels and a condom (didn't use it).

She was very fun, really into it and after 30 minutes of going at it we collapsed in a heap. Think her number was 11, and her name was Nam (Was also quite lazy during work appointments and had a few different girls visit me at my hotel in the afternoons. Met then on Badoo (the location search is a godsend). Two were amazing (one thai, one pinay), 1 was a dud. All three involved a nice long massage followed by a bumping of uglies. The dud (who used a false photo) got 1500, the other 2000 and the both stayed two hours. The thai girl came back from a second appointment where we skipped the massage and went straight to the fun.HI! Must say I never heard about Badoo, site looks interesting or promising. How does it work? Is the contact via phone or mail? I guess most if not all of the girls are just looking for what we are also looking for, right? WOuld really like to know more about Badoo. Better than WeChat or Craigslist, for example? Thank you for helping guys like me who will be in BKK shortly.

[CallSign Papa]

HI! Must say I never heard about Badoo, site looks interesting or promising. How does it work? You can't go too far wrong with WeChat in BKK. I prefer Badoo (which is a dating website) because there are less Ladyboys. The mobile app basically has a location based search so you can see girls in your immediate vicinity.

[RyeHumor63]

Headed over to Soi Cowboy, usually skip going on the weekends and prefer early in the week, less folks around, and girl volume doesn't seem to be dramatically down. Arrived around 8:50 pm. Find this to be ideal time, although Baccara always fills very fast, so if you want to sit, normally need to be in their around 9:30 latest.

First stop was Dollhouse for a beer. Quality decidedly average. About 20 girls on main stage (2 shifts), and a couple on side stage. No one really fit and skinny (my preference). First round of girls were more dressed (sort of stewardess bikini) then the second, most of whom were in lingerie and went topless. Nothing of much interest so went next to Baccara.

Baccara has a bigger stage area, though not really big enough for the total number of ladies in two shifts, (about 45/50 in all). Quality in Baccara is mixed and most of the girls don't really dance, or don't have the room to do so if they can / want. As others have said, Baccara has slightly more girls with implants / larger breasts than many (not all the others), and features a lot of women that are in their early to late 20's, though there are older there too. (though not so easy to tell). Was looking at a small breasted girl (number 060) for a while who had a very cute face and smart eyes, but ended up deciding to chat with (number 104) who turned out to be a lady of 32 (not a mum) from Esan. This lady for the life of her couldn't dance, but she was pretty in that Japanese doll kind of way, and actually though small, was proportionate, and built (implants). Her English was good to. Anyway, had a lady drink with her, and was talking about an LT (as I got the feeling she would rather leave the club) but in the end didn't finish the job, and she went off with a couple of Japanese guys (I think) who I guess were also eyeing her. At Baccara, her bar fine BTW was 1,000 baht, and LT was 6,000 so on par with an escort / high end soapie girl but with longer time.

As I couldn't see anyone else who really was super desirable, and found myself surrounded by Asians, decided to head next store to Shark, which generally for me at least, has the best girls on the Soi (although I haven't been to Tilac this year and it has been getting good writeups). Came in and sat one row back and was immediately accosted by an attractive thin, busty dancer in need of a martini shot (she struck me as a potential drinking working girl. I. e. You spend 1 k baht in a hurry and then she dances away.) .

After the distraction ended, looked at the stage, and immediately saw number 333. I could see immediately that this girl could dance, and was in good shape, with a very young body. (19 in fact, been a Coyote for a month) I hadn't seen her on my last visit to Shark about 5 months ago, so invited her immediately for a drink. Of course, found it she knew about as many words in English as I know in Thai (need to change that), but up close she was every bit as delicious as on the stage. I asked her about her availability to leave (it took a while), and found out she was a Coyote girl, but she could leave. I asked the mama if I could take her out LT, and was told 2 hours max. Total fee was going to 3,000 for the girl for 2 hours, and 1,500 bar fine. I was prepared to pay more but as it was only 10:45 pm, even though I had already bought 5 girly drinks (for various including her), couldn't get her to change her mind.

333 goes off to change. Comes back without the 7 in heels on (so she is really like 1. 52 cm) and then off we go to my apartment. I can tell that she is kind of nervous as we are sitting in the taxi, so when we get to my place, I decided to give her a beer, and put on some cool music and take things slow. We do that for about 15 minutes, and then we each take a shower. She comes out with a towel and we do some dancing until the towels come off and we are both nude.

Everything about her was too my liking, very long black hair, natural firm breasts with responsive nipples, cocoa / caramel colored skin, one tattoo on her left front shoulder, tight little body, no fat. Given we had a bit more than an hour remaining on her 2 hour slot by the time we got down to business I didn't rush things.

Overall, I can say that the pussy licking and the various sexual positions particularly doggie, and her on top were memorable. The girl doesn't really like kissing very much, and I only got her to voluntarily french kiss me once and wasn't prepared to give a BJ without a condom (which doesn't frankly do anything for me in the turn on department), but despite these things (which on other occasions would have put me off), she had such a responsive body, and was so sexy when vocal, and with a pretty face / good teeth, to boot that I cannot fault.

Tonight I am going back for another session where I will check out Tilac as well and we'll see what transpires.

[Stykler]

HI! Must say I never heard about Badoo, site looks interesting or promising. (Snip) WOuld really like to know more about Badoo. (Snip)Just remember that the majority of the profiles on Badoo are fake. There are some real ones, but the majority are fake, and others at best are out of date. Also remember with Badoo that most useful functionality comes at a cost, and Badoo is very tricky the way the debit your card. Give it a miss if I were you.

[Mogwai]

Just remember that the majority of the profiles on Badoo are fake. There are some real ones, but the majority are fake, and others at best are out of date. Also remember with Badoo that most useful functionality comes at a cost, and Badoo is very tricky the way the debit your card. Give it a miss if I were you.I have only recently started using Badoo and I haven't been able to give it my full attention yet (still too many girls in WeChat on my 'to do list') but this commercial aspect is bothering me too. I have also noticed that quite some profiles look fake and so far I have only been approached by one girl, whereas in WeChat I get greetings from girls all the time without having to do anything for it (except using the 'people nearby' option a couple of times a day).

Why is Badoo very tricky the way they debit your card? I let them debit the credit on my phone.

[Jane93]

I have been spending my time at soapies / oilies and freelancers for a week or so and would like to hit the go go bars and maybe clubs tomorrow or Sunday. I normally am fine alone but if any members or visitors want to meet from around 930 when the evening starts in soi cowboy / hit me up with a message.

Thanks.Hey Ryehumor,

I read that you have the same taste in woman as me.

I am 24 and have been here for 2 years but only recently I am interested in the red districts of Bangkok and started going to few places. Hit me up.

[Stykler]

Why is Badoo very tricky the way they debit your card? I let them debit the credit on my phone.The main reason I use the word "tricky" is because you buy points / credits which don't really equate to real money. Badoo used to be OK, but now it's a huge ripoff and not really worth a cracker.

[Robert Long]

The prices are all over the place. Ladies on the street 700 and up. On 7/1 1500 for everything. One lady told me that there is not many farangs and that she hasn't had a customer in 2 days. She said Muslims don't want any and the Indians stink. (Her words not mine).

So I went to CH for a beer. WoW # 39 has the best body ever. Built like a cat woman. I complained about the volume of the music and was told I could leave. My god do they have to play it that loud.

I ended up at my favorite massage parlor on Soi 8 and a lady that favors me with the best service ever. Tonight is another night. On the hunt. Might wander down to Soi 4. Bar city and so many crazy ladies.

RL.

[CallSign Papa]

The main reason I use the word "tricky" is because you buy points / credits which don't really equate to real money. Badoo used to be OK, but now it's a huge ripoff and not really worth a cracker.You're right about the fake profiles, but virtually every dating site is riddled with those and I have more luck with it in Manila. The other one (free) that works ok is SKOUT.

[Pythagore]

Is rain not too disturbing now for our favorite activity?

[Rob Jones]

You're right about the fake profiles, but virtually every dating site is riddled with those and I have more luck with it in Manila. The other one (free) that works ok is SKOUT.I have had good success with Badoo and Tagged (maybe called Hi-5) in Bali. Last year I was free for 3 days and scored 3. The advantage was having some repertoire established after a couple weeks of chatting and some good videos call beforehand also they were more than willing to pick me up and take me around when not in the bedroom. I had a reserve list of 6 and didn't have to resort to any of them. I haven't been to Thailand yet but I had a dry run on Badoo and Tagged and the return rate seems good as in genuine line ids. I have heard of Skout, recommended by one of the girls last year, and I would be interested to see how it works. When I'm in Bangkok and Pattaya for my next holiday I will try to secure some freebies from social media but I will also want to pick up some GoGo girls and freelancers as I will have about 8 days free time. I suppose it's all the thrill of the hunt.

[Sammy1968]

Hello,

After some advice, opinions and possibly eye-opening feedback.

On my last trip (a week ago) to Bangkok I experienced several wonderful times with a massage lass, there was great chemistry and we are still talking on Line (and no she hasn't asked for money!

I am off to Cambodia in October (5 nights) and have a 24 hour layover in Bangkok (party time!

I may have gone crazy, but I want to take the lass with me to Cambodia (she has never been overseas).

Obviously to make this happen, money will need to change hands, but my question is how much?

I expect I will have to pay the Oily compensation, and the lass will need to make up for her loss of income, and I will cover flights etc.

But what would be reasonable? Advice dearly sought?

Thank you in advance.

[BionicMan]

Hello,

After some advice, opinions and possibly eye-opening feedback.

On my last trip (a week ago) to Bangkok I experienced several wonderful times with a massage lass, there was great chemistry and we are still talking on Line (and no she hasn't asked for money!

I am off to Cambodia in October (5 nights) and have a 24 hour layover in Bangkok (party time!

I may have gone crazy, but I want to take the lass with me to Cambodia (she has never been overseas).

Obviously to make this happen, money will need to change hands, but my question is how much?

I expect I will have to pay the Oily compensation, and the lass will need to make up for her loss of income, and I will cover flights etc.

But what would be reasonable? Advice dearly sought?

Thank you in advance.Depends on the place where she works and the rates there.

LT price should be or 2000/ day. She should be happy.

The MP expects the equivalent of the BF.

Are you sure you want to do that?

[Member #4698]

I am off to Cambodia in October (5 nights) and have a 24 hour layover in Bangkok (party time!

I may have gone crazy, but I want to take the lass with me to Cambodia (she has never been overseas).
Yes, you may have gone loco, but that's ok. It has happened to the best of us.

Question: are you going to Phnom Penh? If so, taking a Thai massage girl to PP is like taking sand to the beach. The local Khmer girls are great. I wouldn't want to be with anyone but them if I were visiting PP.

The other more important issue is money: the girl, if she really likes you, should be able to make an excuse to her bosses and get out of going to work for 5 days easy peasy. In such a case paying a barfine or leave of absence for her is not necessary. I have never had to do it when I have taken any of my girls on a side trip. But the girl will expect to be compensated with whatever her LT overnight rate is. For example, a CH Go Go girl would expect 5,000 bt per day plus food, beverages, hotel, transport, and GIFTS, lots of gifts. Ha Ha.

I therefore advise you to drop the idea if Phnom Penh is your destination, or leave the girl behind if she can't get out of her job commitments for whatever reason, because third, taking a girl you don't know really well (my assumption) anywhere is risky. I am aware of the dream sex vacation fantasy, but believe me, the reality is often very different and not nearly as much fun though just as expensive.

In any case, Bon Voyage and let us know how it turns out.

[Banana Boi]

As Natty says, never take a girl to Phnom Penh. You're going to kick yourself. Now if Siem Reap or Sihanoukville are your destination then maybe if the price is free or cheap. Sihanoukville is a decent place to bring a girl you really like but you're better off meeting a nice Khmer girl and take her.

FYI Cambodia is not overseas from Thailand.

[Sammy1968]

Thank you Bionic, Natty and Banana.

Lots to consider I think I will have a reflective think.

My favourite lines are;.

FYI Cambodia is not overseas from Thailand. And GIFTS, lots of gifts. Ha Ha. Are you sure you want to do that?

And finally. 'Yes, you may have gone loco, but that's ok. It has happened to the best of us. '

Thanks again.

[Franciscass]

As Natty says, never take a girl to Phnom Penh. You're going to kick yourself. Now if Siem Reap or Sihanoukville are your destination then maybe if the price is free or cheap. Sihanoukville is a decent place to bring a girl you really like but you're better off meeting a nice Khmer girl and take her.

FYI Cambodia is not overseas from Thailand.Call me a romantic but I think Sammy should take the girl with him. Sure it happens after a day or two when you've shagged your brains out, told her all your jokes suddenly the conversation dries up and she spends most of the time on her phone. But this could be the love of his life but he won't know unless he tries.

On cost, depends on the policy of the shop where she works whether there are penalties attached to her taking leave. There may not be. Regarding her end here I feel he will get some idea on how she is feeling about him. If she asks for anything in excess of say 10000 for the 5 days I would suggest the trip is more business as usual for her and may not the romantic getaway he imagines. But what the hell go for it champ and enjoy.

[Uncle Volodya]

As Natty says, never take a girl to Phnom Penh. You're going to kick yourself. Now if Siem Reap or Sihanoukville are your destination then maybe if the price is free or cheap. Sihanoukville is a decent place to bring a girl you really like but you're better off meeting a nice Khmer girl and take her.

FYI Cambodia is not overseas from Thailand.I concur 100%.

There is really not all that much to do in PP but pick up bar girls. I don't see the point in going there for anything else (at least recreationally).

Taking her to see Angkor Wat could work. I did that with a very special VN girl of mine and we had an amazing time. But make sure you guys get along really well, otherwise it can turn out to be a nightmare. And an expensive one at that.

[Kerrstar]

I may have gone crazy, but I want to take the lass with me to Cambodia (she has never been overseas).

Thank you in advance.If she has never left Thailand she may not have a passport. Better check to see how long this may take. I don't know the procedure in Thailand but if she's not from Bangkok she mnay need to go back to her village for paperwork, etc. It might be pretty straight forward but you should check before you commit yourself to taking her. You will probably need to pay for her passport.

[Kerrstar]

Taking her to see Angkor Wat could work. I did that with a very special VN girl of mine and we had an amazing time. But make sure you guys get along really well, otherwise it can turn out to be a nightmare. And an expensive one at that.There are direct flights to Siam Reap so your suggestion is pretty good. I've never been to Cambodia, the only country in SE Asia I haven't been to, so I can't comment on PP, but if mngering is the only reason for going there then taking a girl does seem pointless. Go straight to Siam Reap!

[Smoothy]

I like taking Thai girls to different places. Especially to other countries. I find that they see me differently after we take a vacation together and we end up becoming much closer. That's not always the case, there have been a few disasters. But I would say that 80 percent of the time it's been great.

[Uncle Volodya]

There are direct flights to Siam Reap so your suggestion is pretty good. I've never been to Cambodia, the only country in SE Asia I haven't been to, so I can't comment on PP, but if mngering is the only reason for going there then taking a girl does seem pointless. Go straight to Siam Reap!The mongering scene in SR is pretty thin so taking a girl is a good idea. The town is fun and there are some very good restaurants there. But keep in mind that it is kind of expensive. Entry to the temples is like $100 for 3 day pass (sorry I forget the exact price).

[GasolineFire]

If she has never left Thailand she may not have a passport. Better check to see how long this may take. I don't know the procedure in Thailand but if she's not from Bangkok she mnay need to go back to her village for paperwork, etc. It might be pretty straight forward but you should check before you commit yourself to taking her. You will probably need to pay for her passport.If she doesn't have a Passport, they are very easy for a Thai. All you need is her Thai ID, doesn't hurt to have the Tabien baan as well, but ID is most important. Go to the offices at Chaeng Whattana, get in queue they take all the details costs B1000, takes maybe an hour depending on how busy it is, can usually pick it up from 24-48 hours later from there, they have a E-Passport to check it all works. Job Done, But I agree if you are going to PP I wouldn't take here, but Siem Reap I would.

[Sammy1968]

Thanks to everyone who offered insight, am definitely having a long deep think about everything.

PP is the destination, but I can change that. However.

Cheers.

[Axiata]

Yes, you may have gone loco, but that's ok. It has happened to the best of us.

Question: are you going to Phnom Penh? If so, taking a Thai massage girl to PP is like taking sand to the beach. The local Khmer girls are great. I wouldn't want to be with anyone but them if I were visiting PP.

The other more important issue is money: the girl, if she really likes you, should be able to make an excuse to her bosses and get out of going to work for 5 days easy peasy. In such a case paying a barfine or leave of absence for her is not necessary. I have never had to do it when I have taken any of my girls on a side trip. But the girl will expect to be compensated with whatever her LT overnight rate is. For example, a CH Go Go girl would expect 5,000 bt per day plus food, beverages, hotel, transport, and GIFTS, lots of gifts. Ha Ha.

I therefore advise you to drop the idea if Phnom Penh is your destination, or leave the girl behind if she can't get out of her job commitments for whatever reason, because third, taking a girl you don't know really well (my assumption) anywhere is risky. I am aware of the dream sex vacation fantasy, but believe me, the reality is often very different and not nearly as much fun though just as expensive.

In any case, Bon Voyage and let us know how it turns out.Natty is spot on. I would go to PP and grab a girl from there to take around Cambodia. 1, she will know the language, 2, Cambos are SYTs that are fun and provide good GFE, 3, they are cheaper, 4 some are very good looking with great bodies.

I have a trip planned for early August and cannot decide on Pattaya or PP. Both offer something different. But I do not think I would take a Thai to Cambodia or a Cambo to Thailand. Find a girl in country and take her away somewhere in country. They will love you for it IMHO.

Happy hunting.

[Sammy1968]

This was my second visit to Bangkok and had been to Nana Plaza before so knew the layout, last time I had had a lot of fun with a lass from Bangkok Bunnies, three days' worth, but unfortunately she wasn't there and I hadn't stayed in touch (I didn't use LINE at the time).

I went to Hooters for some food, a healthy chicken salad and a couple of espressos, the weeks'/ days' activity were having an impact (I had had some fun in the morning with a LT lass from Craigslist and at Snow White that afternoon) and to watch the nightly show of Soi4/ Nana Plaza Freelancers preen themselves and take selfies while waiting for a paying gig, there really are some stunners amongst the crowd.

Then a few JDCokes at the Beer Garden, more people watching, bought a drink for the Mamasan, and had a great conversation about how it works with the bargirls and about her daughter who lives in Australia. Almost got side-tracked into Angelwitch but made it to Spankys, greeted nicely by a shapely lass with a great smile and I tried not to look like a small boy in a candy shop when looking around for a seat.

I walked in just as a show started, a bit of luck, very good, nice looking girls and pretty good acting / dancing. A group of Japanese lads sitting at the stage were having a blast, they were being targeted by the mamasans and the girls, I think the Yen / Baht were flowing freely. A European dude was very active in keeping the shows running smoothly and one of the Manamasan's told me he was the owner's' son, very friendly guy the Japanese dudes were his focus.

The music was a real mixture, a few classics and some obscure tracks, great not to have techno blasting 24/7. The girls on stage were a mixture some fully covered, some topless an occasional girl in her baby suit. They ranged from 8/9's to a 5/6's (I'm a breast man so that figures highly in my assessment) they were very active, seemed to be having fun and the spectacle was a lot of fun (the vibe in the club was fun).

It was busy, so it took a while for me to be able to get a seat by the shower, a great feature and there is just something about watching beautiful girls washing themselves in the shower. In particular when two of them started a rather raunchy show, ending in fully nudity, and a lot of baht being dropped over the top to them (myself included) I could've spent the whole night drinking JDCokes and watching the shower shows.

I had bought several of the mamasans and floor staff drinks, so they were looking after me and knew I was here to drink so had no hassles at all from them, several girls had tried to slide in next to me but I had made it clear I was here to have a few drinks and relax, and honestly after the two encounters already that day I wasn't sure if I really wanted / could have another girl. But that was not to be.

I met a Princess. Beautiful Issan skin, long flowing hair, perfectly proportioned breast, tummy and ass, and no baby damage. She was lively, pretty good English, great conversationalist, laughed a lot, confident with her body and encouraged my hands to explore it, lots of kissing and in no way demanding of lady drinks. Of course, I bought her drinks, she was fun to be with, the conversation was the best I've had with a GoGo girl ever and the exploration of her body was divine. I thought her 25, she was in fact 38 and no children, but boy she didn't look it. Best of both worlds, sexy young-looking body and a mind of a worldly woman (able to hold a conversation) I wanted to marry her right there and then!

In the end, the primordial urging got the better of me and I asked about BF, she asked for 3 KST and 6 KLT. I didn't want LT (needed to sleep) so I countered with 2.5 KST (I really wanted this vixen!) plus 600 BF She agreed and rather than going back to my hotel, we went upstairs (350 baht for a room).

What I discovered as we set out, was how short she was! I'm only 163 cm, but she was at least a 15 cm shorter than me, even in shoes, but boy did she looked sophisticated in her dress. In the room, incredibly chatty and fun, we showered together and the sight of her was uplifting to say the least, gorgeous, was a tasty shower as she washed me all over.

On the bed, lots of kissing, DFK, breast kissing and touching, then as I had asked for, an extended 69, boy she was skilled in that department, her pussy was delicious, best 69 ever I would say, the sight of her ripe ass worked in tandem with her nibbling's down below (BBBJ) and had to stop myself from popping to early, though she came, a new experience for me in that position.

She had the condom on me like a pro and multiple positions were experienced, Doggy style, Missionary, Cowgirl, Reverse Cowgirl and face off, she came twice, she assured me later she wasn't being kind to my ego (I'll take that).

I the end the days dalliances, a few too many JDs and the late hour (I'm usually an early riser / to bed person) had an effect and I could only cum with self-encouragement as a COB on her sultry back in a second round of Doggy style.

No rush to the shower, pillow talk followed and an offer of a second round (which I hadn't expected), but I was a spent force by now. A lovely shower together again, and then she offered to LT for another 1 K Baht (4 K all up for the night) I foolishly said no, what a dolt! Been kicking myself ever since!

We went back to Spankys, both had a drink and then she walked me to a taxi on Sukhumvit, I got her number, will be calling her next time I'm in Bangkok.

Boy what a great night, that 69, a golden memory.

(BTW I'm European looking, separated / single, in my 50's and a bit (sic) over weight around the midriff).

[Franciscass]

Boy what a great night, that 69, a golden memory.

(BTW I'm European looking, separated / single, in my 50's and a bit (sic) over weight around the midriff).Like your style Sammy, I imagine you always make the best of and enjoy every situation no matter. It shows in spades that mongering in Bangkok or indeed anywhere can with the right attitude be thoroughly enjoyable.

[Zeus9]

This was my second visit to Bangkok and had been to Nana Plaza before so knew the layout, last time I had had a lot of fun with a lass from Bangkok Bunnies, three days' worth, but unfortunately she wasn't there and I hadn't stayed in touch (I didn't use LINE at the time).

I went to Hooters for some food, a healthy chicken salad and a couple of espressos, the weeks'/ days' activity were having an impact (I had had some fun in the morning with a LT lass from Craigslist and at Snow White that afternoon) and to watch the nightly show of Soi4/ Nana Plaza Freelancers preen themselves and take selfies while waiting for a paying gig, there really are some stunners amongst the crowd.

Then a few JDCokes at the Beer Garden, more people watching, bought a drink for the Mamasan, and had a great conversation about how it works with the bargirls and about her daughter who lives in Australia. Almost got side-tracked into Angelwitch but made it to Spankys, greeted nicely by a shapely lass with a great smile and I tried not to look like a small boy in a candy shop when looking around for a seat.

I walked in just as a show started, a bit of luck, very good, nice looking girls and pretty good acting / dancing. A group of Japanese lads sitting at the stage were having a blast, they were being targeted by the mamasans and the girls, I think the Yen / Baht were flowing freely. A European dude was very active in keeping the shows running smoothly and one of the Manamasan's told me he was the owner's' son, very friendly guy the Japanese dudes were his focus.

The music was a real mixture, a few classics and some obscure tracks, great not to have techno blasting 24/7. The girls on stage were a mixture some fully covered, some topless an occasional girl in her baby suit. They ranged from 8/9's to a 5/6's (I'm a breast man so that figures highly in my assessment) they were very active, seemed to be having fun and the spectacle was a lot of fun (the vibe in the club was fun).

It was busy, so it took a while for me to be able to get a seat by the shower, a great feature and there is just something about watching beautiful girls washing themselves in the shower. In particular when two of them started a rather raunchy show, ending in fully nudity, and a lot of baht being dropped over the top to them (myself included) I could've spent the whole night drinking JDCokes and watching the shower shows.

I had bought several of the mamasans and floor staff drinks, so they were looking after me and knew I was here to drink so had no hassles at all from them, several girls had tried to slide in next to me but I had made it clear I was here to have a few drinks and relax, and honestly after the two encounters already that day I wasn't sure if I really wanted / could have another girl. But that was not to be.

I met a Princess. Beautiful Issan skin, long flowing hair, perfectly proportioned breast, tummy and ass, and no baby damage. She was lively, pretty good English, great conversationalist, laughed a lot, confident with her body and encouraged my hands to explore it, lots of kissing and in no way demanding of lady drinks. Of course, I bought her drinks, she was fun to be with, the conversation was the best I've had with a GoGo girl ever and the exploration of her body was divine. I thought her 25, she was in fact 38 and no children, but boy she didn't look it. Best of both worlds, sexy young-looking body and a mind of a worldly woman (able to hold a conversation) I wanted to marry her right there and then!

In the end, the primordial urging got the better of me and I asked about BF, she asked for 3 KST and 6 KLT. I didn't want LT (needed to sleep) so I countered with 2.5 KST (I really wanted this vixen!) plus 600 BF She agreed and rather than going back to my hotel, we went upstairs (350 baht for a room).

What I discovered as we set out, was how short she was! I'm only 163 cm, but she was at least a 15 cm shorter than me, even in shoes, but boy did she looked sophisticated in her dress. In the room, incredibly chatty and fun, we showered together and the sight of her was uplifting to say the least, gorgeous, was a tasty shower as she washed me all over.

On the bed, lots of kissing, DFK, breast kissing and touching, then as I had asked for, an extended 69, boy she was skilled in that department, her pussy was delicious, best 69 ever I would say, the sight of her ripe ass worked in tandem with her nibbling's down below (BBBJ) and had to stop myself from popping to early, though she came, a new experience for me in that position.

She had the condom on me like a pro and multiple positions were experienced, Doggy style, Missionary, Cowgirl, Reverse Cowgirl and face off, she came twice, she assured me later she wasn't being kind to my ego (I'll take that).

I the end the days dalliances, a few too many JDs and the late hour (I'm usually an early riser / to bed person) had an effect and I could only cum with self-encouragement as a COB on her sultry back in a second round of Doggy style.

No rush to the shower, pillow talk followed and an offer of a second round (which I hadn't expected), but I was a spent force by now. A lovely shower together again, and then she offered to LT for another 1 K Baht (4 K all up for the night) I foolishly said no, what a dolt! Been kicking myself ever since!

We went back to Spankys, both had a drink and then she walked me to a taxi on Sukhumvit, I got her number, will be calling her next time I'm in Bangkok.

Boy what a great night, that 69, a golden memory.

(BTW I'm European looking, separated / single, in my 50's and a bit (sic) over weight around the midriff).I've had some good times at Spanky's over the years. I prefer it over Crazy House on Soi Cowboy. Its not as crowded, but busy also. Was the girl's name that you BF'd Diap, or jiap (It means little chicken in Thai)? I once barfined a girl there that sounds just like the one described above. She looked 23, but was really 38. Super nice body with no baby ever. I also barfined her ST for 2500. She was a feature in their Hawaii 5-0 show.

[Sammy1968]

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[Syzygies]

I've had some good times at Spanky's over the years. I prefer it over Crazy House on Soi Cowboy. Its not as crowded, but busy also. Was the girl's name that you BF'd Diap, or jiap (It means little chicken in Thai)? I once barfined a girl there that sounds just like the one described above. She looked 23, but was really 38. Super nice body with no baby ever. I also barfined her ST for 2500. She was a feature in their Hawaii 5-0 show.Yes absolutely correct, Jiap or Luuk Jiap in Thai means a baby chick (chicken) (of the fluffy yellow type), and Jiap is a common female Thai nickname. Sounds a bit like Gee-up.

Sometimes girls stuff a fluffy yellow sponge up their pussy to protect uterus or because having a period. This is also known euphemistically as "Luuk Jiap" or "Luuk Gai".

[Syzygies]

I like taking Thai girls to different places. Especially to other countries. I find that they see me differently after we take a vacation together and we end up becoming much closer. That's not always the case, there have been a few disasters. But I would say that 80 percent of the time it's been great.I suggest work up to it. Don't take a girl away for several days unless have already had her for 24 hours plus on more than one time, then try a weekend, and finally multi-days. These measures are to ensure compatibility and to find out if she can have a good time or not.

I have broken my own advice when know the girl well for significant time.

Make sure her period isn't going to start as soon as the trip starts.

[Syzygies]

The other more important issue is money: the girl, if she really likes you, should be able to make an excuse to her bosses and get out of going to work for 5 days easy peasy. That is a very optimistic viewpoint and dependent greatly on where the girl works. Some girls I know hardly ever show up for work in a bar. On other hand, some girls can be in big trouble for going absent for no valid reason, or at least it is going to cost them. Just depends on the establishment, and employment rules.

[Sammy1968]

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[Sammy1968]

I suggest work up to it. Thanks Syzygies and everyone else, great to have you experienced fellows sharing with newbies like me.

I think you are right, I'll take it slow and work up with a couple of all day / nights and see they go before leaping into a Holiday with the girl.

I have a 24 hour layover in Bangkok so will suggest we get together then and 'test' the waters.

Owe you all a beer if I ever meet you in the flesh.

Cheers.

[Blanquiceleste]

Have you ever replied to a PM from some random punter asking for advice and then not receiving a reply back? Not even a single word of "Thanks" ?

Such behavior really pisses me off, and I decided that the effort I put into replying might help some newbie. So here is the reply in a post form. Hope it helps someone.

Good luck with your first trip. No matter what you read on these forums, nothing can prepare you enough for the sensory assault that awaits you in BKK.

Let me try and break it down for you:

1. Hotels: I do not know what your budget is or where you are staying, but I advise you to stay on Sukhumvit Road, as close to Asok or Nana BTS. Should not cost more than $50 - 75 a day unless you are looking at true 5 star accommodations.

2. Food: Food will be no problem for you. There are plenty of options. When in doubt, head to Terminal 21, they have a good food court with plenty of options.

3. Transportation: BTS and MRT connect most parts of BKK very well. Get a map. Get a local SIM card with data and use Google for navigtion. If you take a taxi, insist on meter fare only. If the taxi refuses, simply say thank you and look for the next one. Motorbike taxis usually charge between 50 to 100 baht for any trip, but they can be dangerous as they drive recklessly. NEVER take a tuk tuk in BKK. They will rip you off.

4. Currency: Plenty of exchange outlets in the city. They take all currencies. But best to carry money in USD.

5. The main topic. GIRLS. This is broadly categorized into 5 sources:

A. Oilies: Plenty of oilies in BKK. Annie's and Tulip are very famous. Go there, you won't be disappointed as first time visitor. The method is the same in both places. Walk in, get a drink, talk to mamasan and tell her openly without any moral reservations what you want from the session. Choose a girl from the shortlist and have a good time. Do not expect a GFE here, these places are designed for PSE.

Be. Soapies: There are many soapies in BKK too. If budget is not a problem, I recommend The Lord. You can also try Amsterdam, Emannuelle, etc.

See. Gogo bars: Gogo bars are concentrated in 3 places. Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy and Patpong. These can be great sources of entertainment but also expensive. Some places are known to be discriminatory towards people from certain ethnic backgrounds, be aware of this and do not pick a fight. If you are turned down, simply walk away and find another bar. In these places, again get a drink, call a mamasan and ask them how things work. Am sure you have read enough about this on the forum.

The. Nightclubs / Discos: The most popular ones are Insanity, Levels, Spasso, etc. All around Sukhumvit. Spasso can be expensive. Other places, its really upto you and your game. Most places get going after midnight. Thermae is another place you might want to visit, but I doubt you will have success there. The place caters largely to Japanese customers. But a drink there is no harm.

E. Online: If you have RTFF you will know the popular apps to use for online hunting. Personally I have had fantastic success with Badoo and ThaiFriendly.

Lastly, there are escort sites which I avoid like a plague for two key reasons: Most sites use photoshopped pictures and the girl who arrives is not the one you booked. They are insanely expensive.

I also would avoid street walkers if it was my first ever visit. My objective is to get laid in a safe, convenient and efficient manner. And that can be achieved withing an hour of landing in BKK.

Have fun.

[Smoothy]

Have you ever replied to a PM from some random punter asking for advice and then not receiving a reply back? Not even a single word of "Thanks" ?It happens all the time. It's gotten to where I don't reply to PMs unless I know they are good contributors to the forum.

[Kerrstar]

Let me try and break it down for you:

Nice, concise information. Hopefully every newbie reads this first before asking the usually silly questions like "can I get a hotel for $80?

[HorneeFalang]

I've had some good times at Spanky's over the years. I prefer it over Crazy House on Soi Cowboy. Its not as crowded, but busy also. Was the girl's name that you BF'd Diap, or jiap (It means little chicken in Thai)? I once barfined a girl there that sounds just like the one described above. She looked 23, but was really 38. Super nice body with no baby ever. I also barfined her ST for 2500. She was a feature in their Hawaii 5-0 show.Yes it does sound like Jiap. She had been at Spanky's for a few years but left AFAIK. She is a really great girl. Sexy and appears to love her work. I must get back there and LT.

[HorneeFalang]

Yes absolutely correct, Jiap or Luuk Jiap in Thai means a baby chick (chicken) (of the fluffy yellow type), and Jiap is a common female Thai nickname. Sounds a bit like Gee-up.

Sometimes girls stuff a fluffy yellow sponge up their pussy to protect uterus or because having a period. This is also known euphemistically as "Luuk Jiap" or "Luuk Gai".Not to be confused with "Luuk Hei" (son in law) Maybe my Mai Yai thinks I look like a fluffy yellow sponge that needs to be inserted and I am hearing her incorrectly.

[Mogwai]

4. Currency: Plenty of exchange outlets in the city. They take all currencies. But best to carry money in USD.Good post, however number 4 will normally only make sense when you're from the USA.

When you're not from the USA it makes no sense to buy USD first and then buy THB with the USD. Unless for some specific reason your home currency is very weak compared to the THB and at the same time very strong compared to the USD, ánd at the same time the USD is very strong compared to the THB.

[Kerrstar]

Good post, however number 4 will normally only make sense when you're from the USA.

When you're not from the USA it makes no sense to buy USD first and then buy THB with the USD. Unless for some specific reason your home currency is very weak compared to the THB and at the same time very strong compared to the USD, nd at the same time the USD is very strong compared to the THB.If your currency is weak against the THB it will be extra weak against the USD as well, especially if the USD is strong against the THB. Currency traders would ensure that what you have explained wouldn't happen, they would close up an arbitage such as this in seconds. If you are travelling to several countries then taking USD, even if it isn't your home currency, isn't a bad idea. You occasionally come across countries where you need to get a visa and they only take USD. Not many, but some border crossings and smaller airports around Asia can be like this. Also, USD's come in small bills where other currencies, such as the Aussie dollar, have a large, lowest bill. For the Aussie it's $5. Sometimes a few $1's can be handy.

[Syzygies]

Not to be confused with "Luuk Hei" (son in law) Maybe my Mai Yai thinks I look like a fluffy yellow sponge that needs to be inserted and I am hearing her incorrectly.Now you are getting a bit silly / baffling. Son-in-law is actually "Luuk Kher-ee" and "Mai Yai" probably means "not big" so is that your dick you are referring to? No obviously not, but I am not intuitive enough to get your point at all.

[Syzygies]

Have you ever replied to a PM from some random punter asking for advice and then not receiving a reply back? Not even a single word of "Thanks" ?
I feel for you. Years ago I got so many PMs of questions that would have been better asked of the general forum. Many of these questions did not appeal to me, personally. Some were too difficult to answer, maybe even silly. It filled up the in tray needlessly, very fast. Even was a hassle to keep checking my PM inbox. Was easier just to turn off PMs in the end.

On the main forum, those that like the question can reply, or those who believe they have worthwhile useful experience. However we can ignore posts of no interest.

PMs ought to be only for your personal friends to message you or perhaps to share contact numbers for those that desire it. However then it's easier to use Line, Whatsapp, email, etc.

Groups that form little PM networks are essentially saying they want their only exclusive sub-forum, perhaps free of certain types of posters.

[KilledSoul]

1. Hotels: I do not know what your budget is or where you are staying, but I advise you to stay on Sukhumvit Road, as close to Asok or Nana BTS. Should not cost more than $50 - 75 a day unless you are looking at true 5 star accommodations.One can easily get a good hotel at $50 on Sukhumvit. My guess is that most of them are Guest friendly too.


2. Food: Food will be no problem for you. There are plenty of options. When in doubt, head to Terminal 21, they have a good food court with plenty of options.

3. Transportation: BTS and MRT connect most parts of BKK very well. Get a map. Get a local SIM card with data and use Google for navigtion. If you take a taxi, insist on meter fare only. If the taxi refuses, simply say thank you and look for the next one. Motorbike taxis usually charge between 50 to 100 baht for any trip, but they can be dangerous as they drive recklessly. NEVER take a tuk tuk in BKK. They will rip you off.
Just take a local Traveller Sim Card at the airport. I got one of AIS for 299 THB. Then you can google Map for food and transport. Always ask for meter in a Taxi.


4. Currency: Plenty of exchange outlets in the city. They take all currencies. But best to carry money in USD.Its a good idea to convert into USD if you are carrying extra money or if you will be travelling more than one country. But if you will be only travelling in Thailand then better to convert your country's currency to THB. Don't take the risk of carrying INR or IDR to Bangkok and then getting it converted to THB.


A. Oilies: Plenty of oilies in BKK. Annie's and Tulip are very famous. Go there, you won't be disappointed as first time visitor. The method is the same in both places. Walk in, get a drink, talk to mamasan and tell her openly without any moral reservations what you want from the session. Choose a girl from the shortlist and have a good time. Do not expect a GFE here, these places are designed for PSE.

Be. Soapies: There are many soapies in BKK too. If budget is not a problem, I recommend The Lord. You can also try Amsterdam, Emannuelle, etc.The most robust way of getting laid there for a beginner. I did the same and no regrets. A good heuristic would be to choose from the girls who smile at you in the lineup.


See. Gogo bars: Some places are known to be discriminatory towards people from certain ethnic backgrounds, be aware of this and do not pick a fight. If you are turned down, simply walk away and find another bar.I am a Desi so didn't even bother with these. If there is discrimination against you, just remember its for business reasons and nothing personal. Just find another one. At these places if you spend like a pauper don't expect to be treated like a king.


The. Nightclubs / Discos: The most popular ones are Insanity, Levels, Spasso, etc. All around Sukhumvit. Spasso can be expensive. Other places, its really upto you and your game. Most places get going after midnight. Thermae is another place you might want to visit, but I doubt you will have success there. The place caters largely to Japanese customers. But a drink there is no harm.
Went to Thermae and it was filled with Japs / Koreans. Got lucky there and brought a girl back to hotel. Question to seniors, is the quality of girls same in Insanity and Levels compared to Thermae?


E. Online: If you have RTFF you will know the popular apps to use for online hunting. Personally I have had fantastic success with Badoo and ThaiFriendly.
I would not recommend this for a beginner. I had bad experience from WeChat. And Badoo does not work for me. Maybe use this for shits and giggles but nothing seriously as for some men its a time sink without good ROI.


I also would avoid street walkers if it was my first ever visit.
Is it because of lady boys or is it because they give poor service?

Peace and joy.

[Zeus9]

Yes absolutely correct, Jiap or Luuk Jiap in Thai means a baby chick (chicken) (of the fluffy yellow type), and Jiap is a common female Thai nickname. Sounds a bit like Gee-up.

Sometimes girls stuff a fluffy yellow sponge up their pussy to protect uterus or because having a period. This is also known euphemistically as "Luuk Jiap" or "Luuk Gai".Thanks for the info. I'm always looking to enhance my knowledge of all things Thai, 555! This country is endlessly entertaining to me. I did know about the sponge, but not the name. But naming it after a fluffy chicken makes it instantly memorable. The gogo girl also told me she was named that because she likes to talk / chirp a lot.

[Zeus9]

Yes it does sound like Jiap. She had been at Spanky's for a few years but left AFAIK. She is a really great girl. Sexy and appears to love her work. I must get back there and LT.Yes, I had a great time with her. She was the best of both worlds. Looked very young with a great body, but had the maturity and companionship of an older woman. Sex was great too. She had the whole package. Natural tits, but I can't remember is she had any tatoos. Anyway, I have her phone #, but I haven't used it in a year. I could pass it on to someone if they knew her and wanted to make some arrangements to see her again. I should have by know, but I got distracted with other possibilities, 555!

[HorneeFalang]

Now you are getting a bit silly / baffling. Son-in-law is actually "Luuk Kher-ee" and "Mai Yai" probably means "not big" so is that your dick you are referring to? No obviously not, but I am not intuitive enough to get your point at all."Mai Yai" "Mae Y-eye" -Mother.

[Blanquiceleste]

Is it because of lady boys or is it because they give poor service?Among those peril you mention, the probability of getting drugged or robbed or both is a lot higher. Add to it STDs. You don't want all that on your first trip.

[Soroche]

Among those peril you mention, the probability of getting drugged or robbed or both is a lot higher. Add to it STDs. You don't want all that on your first trip.Good advice about the streetwalkers. Only take ladies associated with a massage shop or gogo bar, at least on your first trip. A Thai friend who owns a small hotel had to start taking ID cards from the ladies after two of his customers were drugged and robbed. Both were young Koreans and picked up the ladies at RCA.

[StinkyFeet]

Have you ever replied to a PM from some random punter asking for advice and then not receiving a reply back? Not even a single word of "Thanks" ?Probably close to 99% newbies have a brain of a gnat, often forgetting after they got what they needed.

[Gannaton48]

Online dating sites are certainly not for everyone. Weirdly, I have gotten zero results from the oft touted booty-call or hook up apps like Tinder and WeChat yet get tons of booty-call / hook up type results from the supposedly more "long term relationship" apps like ThaiCupid and ThaiFriendly that cater more to somewhat regular non direct P4P girls and women. I have never seen what the other guys' pics and profiles are like on these kinds of sites because I am only interested in meeting females so that's all I ever see. But I suspect it is quite a horror show over there on the male side of the pickin's. I do keep myself in fairly good shape, my weight is proportionate to my height, am mostly a happy, smiley type guy, polite but ready to launch into a fun and bawdy line of discussion at any time. A gentleman most of the time I guess. I don't know what else is required to get as strong a response as I do on these sites because, as I say, I have no idea what the "competition" is like on the male side.

Meanwhile, I filter out females further than 50 km from Bangkok, specify that I am only interested in "Romance / Dating", not "Friendship", "Serious Relationship", "Marriage" and that I definitely want "NO Penpals, please. " Whenever I respond to an email notification of someone clicking "Interested" in me, that will invariably trigger a half-dozen or more views and "Interested"s in my profile. Among those there is usually at least one attractive lady worth replying to and, sooner than one might predict, seeing if she is up to the task of meeting my three "Romance / Dating" requirements; Shaved or closely trimmed pussy, fuck like a REAL girlfriend and/or be happy to complete a proper blowjob like an experienced adult woman and not a frightened virgin. I am not kidding about this. That is how I use apps like ThaiCupid and ThaiFriendly. This idea that those kinds of dating sites require men to profess undying love, wooing and courting poor innocent lonely-heart damsels into surrendering to them under false pretenses has simply not been my experience with them because I don't let it become about that.I will be for short time in BKK and would like to meet a lady via TF rather than just pay and pick up in a gogo or Thermae this time. Since the profiles on TF look officially quite serious, is there a way to distinguish P4 P from the others? I guess that those who indicate "any and any" for man's age may rather be for P4 P? Advice from an experienced TF user like you will help me a lot about selection before arriving there. Hopefully I will be able to report consequently when back! Thanks.

[Indy Hundred]

Was in town on a work related trip and on the first night, before I had any meetings, I decided to go on a BJ bar crawl mission by hitting up as many BJ bars before jetlag / reality kicked in. But first, I wanted to check out the Sukhumvit area.

First place I stopped at was Nana Plaza and I was in shock. This place is huge! I thought Angeles City was a mecca but wow, Nana Plaza and the near area is huge! When I went, I don't know what I was expecting to see but this inundated my senses. So much to see. So many girls to talk to. So many girls to touch and be touched by. And they all want you to come in to their bar. And in such a dense area! I had a drink at a bar on the ground floor and on the first floor don't remember their names as they all looked the same. There was even a bar just for Ladyboys. Which I am sure the door girl got a chuckle out of me just standing there, deer in headlight, mouth gawking and with an expression of "Holy cow, where the eff am I?" look.

I don't know what the strategy is for Nana but I think it needs more relaxed time to visit. Next trip perhaps. ? My opinion: Nana Plaza has way more volume of girls than Angeles.

Moving along, and extremely overwhelmed, I decide to walk along Sukhumvit towards Kasalong on Soi 6. I wasn't picky so the first girl that motioned for me to go in (decent looks, youngish) is the one I went in with. There was one guy and a girl near the pool table. As soon as you walk in, there is reception area to your right where a very important administrator sits and my girl stopped in front of her so I thought I had to stand there as well. I think she is also the bartender but it didn't feel like a bar so I asked if I could go up to the room. My girl said yes and led me up the stairs with me caressing her ass in her light blue skirt.

I think I was the first one there as she turned on the lights and air conditioning. The room is nice, big, fairly clean but the wall to the next room doesn't go all the way up so you will hear your neighbours enjoying themselves. My girl cleaned my cock in the small sink in the corner and then put a towel on the couch and motioned for me to sit. These girls, oh do they know what they are doing! Less than 10 minutes and I had popped. Paid 1,000 THB to the receptionist downstairs and gave the change to the girl.

My next destination was Som's Haven but as I exited Kasalong towards Soi 8, I walked by Lolittas and there must have 20 girls sitting outside. Stopped, chatted, saw a girl with braided hair and very pouty lips that I liked and told her I would come back for her. She obviously had a Carpe Diem attitude and said why wait when we could go right now. I told her I would come back. And proceeded towards Som's.

At Som's, and the same thing, lots of girls sitting outside. The girl that was next stood up, grabbed my hand and started walking me in. I stopped her as I wanted to see the other girls. I asked if Som was here and they all pointed at the girl that had grabbed my hand. In her 40's so I assumed she was the owner and feeling pretty lucky that I would get head from the person that owns a BJ bar. We go inside, sit and I ask for a beer. I am drinking and telling her that I am really looking forward to getting my cock sucked by you, the owner. She says she is not the owner. Som the owner is not here in the country somewhere. Oy vey! But the Som sitting next to me with her hands in my pants assured me she was very good. Upstairs we go, get in a room. She cleans my cock in the sink and I sit down on the couch. This was a very good blowjob and she really knows how to wrap her tits around my cock. This time I went the entire 30 minutes before I popped.

Came back downstairs, paid the receptionist a 1,000 THB and the change to Som. Som's is on the same alley as a really good restaurant called Suda / Sadu / Sada sp?. Stopped in there, lots of tourists and locals and had a very delicious dinner. I was now getting tired full stomach, the jet lag and the 500 ML Chang beers were catching up.

Decided to head back to my hotel but with a quick pit stop at Lolittas for the braided girl. She was there, and she remembered me. I tell her I am very tired (don't tell her I have just had 2 BJ's in less than 2 hours) and confirm she has a lot of energy. Yes. Yes. She takes my hand, we go upstairs and it's a, wait a minute, this is a big community room with individual couches. Interesting. I am the only one there. She sits me down and pulls a red curtain around us for privacy. I kept thinking this feels like a doctors office when they pull the curtain. Braided girl cleans me up with a wet wipe and then starts sucking me off. As she was sucking, I asked her if she could just go down on me as far as she can, and just stay there and suck me without going up and down. She did that for a good 5 minutes while her hands massaged my balls. It was so good.

Soon enough people started coming in and I could hear curtains being drawn and the slurping and moaning starting. I popped right around the 30 minute mark. As we were leaving, you could see a couple of pairs of girls feet sticking out from the bottom of the curtain as they were kneeling and giving head. Price was a 1,000 THB with the change going to the girl.

This was a good night and something I would love to spend an entire afternoon / evening doing.

[Indy Hundred]

After my 3 BJ Bar crawl, I continued walking along Sukhumvit and there are so many freelancers. So many different types of freelancers thai, ladyboys, Africans and, what! Wait a minute, are those? Yes, I think that is, no, it can't be. Wait, yes, those are freelancers wearing a Niqab. What the what? Are they really Muslim FLs?

Serious question: can somebody explain what this is? Are they really Muslims in Niqabs or is this a fetish that people like? Has anyone tried one?

[Blanquiceleste]

I will be for short time in BKK and would like to meet a lady via TF rather than just pay and pick up in a gogo or Thermae this time. Since the profiles on TF look officially quite serious, is there a way to distinguish P4 P from the others? I guess that those who indicate "any and any" for man's age may rather be for P4 P? Advice from an experienced TF user like you will help me a lot about selection before arriving there. Hopefully I will be able to report consequently when back! Thanks.Short answer. There is no real way to telling genuine profiles looking for serious dating from the hookers. Your best bet is to ask outright about their work.

You are not very clear in stating what you really need. Do you want a P4 P experience through TF or you want to have an ONS with NSA. If your answer is the latter, then your chances are a lot dimmer.

The ones who are there for P4 P won't let you fuck them unless there is an agreement on price. The ones looking for a genuine date, won't let you get into their pants on the first date. You might have to woo them a bit and splash some cash on dinners and gifts before you get intimate. Either way you will spend money. And if you are in BKK only for a short time as you mention, why bother with the effort?

But hey, YMMV.

[Mogwai]

SNIP
Nana Plaza and the near area is huge!
SNIP
My opinion: Nana Plaza has way more volume of girls than Angeles.
I don't want to start a debate because it's not really important and I have never counted the girls, but I think it's the other way around. Angeles has more girls than Nana Plaza. Maybe Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy combined have more girls than Angeles, that could be possible.

Also I wouldn't call the area huge. In fact I think it's rather small, although I agree there are many girls in a dense area.
Pattaya is what I would call huge.

[EihTooms]

I will be for short time in BKK and would like to meet a lady via TF rather than just pay and pick up in a gogo or Thermae this time. Since the profiles on TF look officially quite serious, is there a way to distinguish P4 P from the others? I guess that those who indicate "any and any" for man's age may rather be for P4 P? Advice from an experienced TF user like you will help me a lot about selection before arriving there. Hopefully I will be able to report consequently when back! Thanks.I think you are on the right track with the age issue. To hook up with direct P4 P girl options on sites like ThaiFriendly or ThaiCupid, I would click "Interested" on young girl profile / photos stating any age, 18-99 range, that kind of thing, particularly the ones stating they live in Bangkok and whose photos display a more showy, sexy look than usual. I would probably not click on many stating they are looking for Marriage. But even if some among the any age, sexy, showy photo group say they are looking for Penpals, Friendship, that kind of thing along with Romance / Dating, it is still very possible they need money much more than a penpal and are really hoping to hook up for P4 P.

In your initial site email message to them, get to something fun and sexy right away. Don't waste too much time with your life history or asking for theirs. Assuming you are staying in the Nana / Soi Cowboy area of Sukhumvit, say so, tell her your closest BTS or MRT station location and ask her if she is familiar with that; "Hi, Noey. I like your profile and think you look very sweet! I am staying at Such-and-Such Hotel, about 5 minute walk from Nana BTS station. You know? If you feel comfortable adding me, my phone number / Line ID is xxxxxxxx. I hope we can get to know each other more, meet and be together sometime. Kissssss, Gannaton. ".

Throw in a happy face or throbbing heart icon here or there and wait for her reply.

Once you have exchanged Line IDs and are connected there, send a current best impression photo of you and see as many of hers as you can before setting up a meeting. If she doesn't quickly and clearly state she is up for sex for money, the minute she starts chatting about how she has no job now, her mom is sick, she is a student and her tuition is due soon (or rent, or phone bill, or electric bill, etc.), simply tell her you might be able to help her with that and would be happy to "take care" of her too if you were to meet and the Romance part of your reason for going on TF or TC was right.

The great thing about this kind of dating site / Line first contact is you can cover a whole host of particulars that are important to you if you are going to part with any money before you spend even one baht traveling to meet face to face. For example, I have no problem with launching right into my expectations about shaved pussy, BBBJ+CIM, uncovered whatever and getting a definite "yes" response to what I want and expect before setting up a meeting. But I do wait to launch into that until after I have spent at least a minimum amount of time sharing photos, cute (not overt or ugly porn-type) comments and essentially charming the girl enough to be perceived as a personal "friend" and not just a passing customer. That can take only 20-30 minutes of occasional chatting, though. I'm not talking about spending days and days on this. And if the girl rejects my methods and efforts, no problem, nice to have met you, have a great life, buh-bye, and I move on to the next one. There is always a next one and not very far off either.

[Crocodilexp]

I will be for short time in BKK and would like to meet a lady via TF rather than just pay and pick up in a gogo or Thermae this time. Since the profiles on TF look officially quite serious, is there a way to distinguish P4 P from the others? TF is time-consuming, and while the results eventually happen if you keep at it for a while, I wouldn't want to deal with the hassle on a short stay. Maybe if you could line up 10 girls before your trip you can hope 1 to 3 will go through during the time you're here, but it seems way more hassle than straight out P4 P. I don't find online trawling particularly amusing, and scheduling a meeting / waiting / potential flakes are even worse.

Personally, for me TF is not worth the effort unless there's a clear potential for multiple encounters. Whether you pay for it is immaterial, but personally, I'd rather not BOTH invest the time / effort and pay. Maybe I'm too old school, but if I'm paying, the encounter should be on my terms, and convenient (that is, under 2 h from first contact to sex, otherwise may well look elsewhere or just jack off).

As for filtering the profiles, just look for hints (age is one, how revealing photos are another), but you can't be sure until you ask more-or-less directly (though perhaps not in your first message). Some might get offended, but that's what block feature is for.

[HorseTrader]

I decided to set something up for my November trip to Thailand. Met several girls online, most of which wanted multiple daily video chats; that was too much time and effort for my taste. For the most part, the girls either wanted me to send money right away and/or they were looking to build a relationship that could lead to moving to USA as my wife. Neither situation is what I want to pursue at this time.

My new plan is to wait until 1 or 2 weeks before my trip and them look for a travel companion. I'm hoping that leads to finding someone without excessive time wasted in relationship building or listening to sob stories about leaky roofs, mom's medical needs, overdue rent, tuition bills, daughter's shoes, and other family financial problems.

I've looked at ThaiFriendly, ThaiCupid, and CherryBlossoms, all of which may be OK. I'm still new at this, but I'm starting to favor ThaiFlirting because the free search and contact features are pretty good. But, my best contact so far was found on ThaiFriendly.

[Member #4591]

I decided to set something up for my November trip to Thailand. Met several girls online, most of which wanted multiple daily video chats; that was too much time and effort for my taste. For the most part, the girls either wanted me to send money right away and/or they were looking to build a relationship that could lead to moving to USA as my wife. Neither situation is what I want to pursue at this time.

My new plan is to wait until 1 or 2 weeks before my trip and them look for a travel companion. I'm hoping that leads to finding someone without excessive time wasted in relationship building or listening to sob stories about leaky roofs, mom's medical needs, overdue rent, tuition bills, daughter's shoes, and other family financial problems.

I've looked at ThaiFriendly, ThaiCupid, and CherryBlossoms, all of which may be OK. I'm still new at this, but I'm starting to favor ThaiFlirting because the free search and contact features are pretty good. But, my best contact so far was found on ThaiFriendly.Please check out further discussion about this in my user blog if you wish. Just scroll down under the regular forum topics and you will see the user blogs. Now we are discussing how to know if the lady in the profile is P4P or a normal girl and what to say and not to say.

Just my 2 cents worth but if you know how to navigate all these websites and apps, the results can be well worth the effort. No need to start so early unless you are looking for a relationship. Start a few days before your arrival making your contacts and you will be fine.

[Pipe Layer99]

... My new plan is to wait until 1 or 2 weeks before my trip and them look for a travel companion. I'm hoping that leads to finding someone without excessive time wasted in relationship building or ....You want a travel companion that you HAVEN"T even met yet. That's ridiculous. What are you thinking about? What happens if you meet her, and go on a trip, then you don't hit it off? Too late now. You are already with her. Then you can either send her back and stay alone or stay with a some girl you who you are not compatible with. Do yourself a favor and think ahead.

[HorseTrader]

You want a travel companion that you HAVEN"T even met yet. That's ridiculous. What are you thinking about? What happens if you meet her, and go on a trip, then you don't hit it off? Too late now. You are already with her. Then you can either send her back and stay alone or stay with a some girl you who you are not compatible with. Do yourself a favor and think ahead.That is more or less it. Meet some on a website, plenty of video chat via Line or WhatsApp, and then spend time together in Thailand. Probably would schedule about the first 3 days of a 3-week trip with my favorite. If things go well I could extend the invitation, which she could either accept or refuse. My buddy did essentially this and they kept extending for the duration of his 30 day stay.

[HorseTrader]

.... Start a few days before your arrival making your contacts and you will be fine.Yea, my 1-2 week pre-travel search may even be too far in advance to arrange standard P4P. Finding willing women certainly isn't a problem. My biggest concern is what PipeLayer mentions, compatibility for multiple days together. Need to do enough video chat to increase chance of having a nice time together and that could eat up some calendar. It seems to only take a few minutes of video chat to separate the aggressive P4P girls from the rest. It takes more time to separate the semi-pros from those who are truly seeking only a relationship.

I'll take a look at that blog, thanks.

[Crocodilexp]

My new plan is to wait until 1 or 2 weeks before my trip and them look for a travel companion.

Your timing sounds fine (starting too early is bad), but you will need to arrange to meet several girls in person to find one that's suitable for a travel companion (and even that's a bit of a crapshoot). Video chat, exchanging photos and messages can eliminate a few outliers, but will NOT give you enough information to decide -- only meeting in person counts. Personally, with online dating, I prefer to meet anyone looking semi-decent in person as soon as possible -- surprises go both ways (sometimes a meh girl turns out nice in person), and online "relationship building" is almost completely irrelevant.

It's not clear to me if you're looking for a P4P girl or a regular girl. A working girl is more likely to have time to travel around with you, but her fee might be steep (the 1000-2000 baht/day times are long gone). A regular girl will have a regular life and might not be able to take off at will for one of the 40 internet randos that she has in her contact list.

[TrueBlue666]

Serious question: can somebody explain what this is? Are they really Muslims in Niqabs or is this a fetish that people like? Has anyone tried one?Short answers to both questions:

-Some are and some aren't; I imagine the answer becomes irrelevant when it all comes off. Several working girls that *aren't* wearing Niqabs are supposedly devote Muslims.

-Twice (because alcohol) and within the past year. I can only say that YMMV. There's a reason that bikinis are popular in gogos.

[Stykler]

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My new plan is to wait until 1 or 2 weeks before my trip and them look for a travel companion. I'm hoping that leads to finding someone without excessive time wasted in relationship building or listening to sob stories about leaky roofs, mom's medical needs, overdue rent, tuition bills, daughter's shoes, and other family financial problems.
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In my (limited) experience, this is the best solution.

[James Dean 2]

After my 3 BJ Bar crawl, I continued walking along Sukhumvit and there are so many freelancers. So many different types of freelancers thai, ladyboys, Africans and, what! Wait a minute, are those? Yes, I think that is, no, it can't be. Wait, yes, those are freelancers wearing a Niqab. What the what? Are they really Muslim FLs?
Serious question: can somebody explain what this is? Are they really Muslims in Niqabs or is this a fetish that people like? Has anyone tried one?They cater to the Arab population that stay in and around Grace hotel / Soi Arab. They have the 'Arab look' and come from places like Uzbek etc. Which appeals to their clientele. I would call it less of a fetish but more generating excitement by playing on sort of a taboo. Same same but different.

[Kerrstar]

Probably would schedule about the first 3 days of a 3-week trip with my favorite. Have a think about where you are travelling to in Thailand. If you are doing Bangkok then heading up-country to the villages around Chang Rai then there won't be much action and taking a companion makes sense. A city girl might not like it too much if you go down-market in your accommodation, but you would be pretty unlucky to find one who's like that.

On the other hand if you're going to Pattaya and Phuket then taking someone is probably pointless.

[Smoothy]

I visited Crazy House last night around 10 or 11 pm. There was basically zero talent in the bar last night. It was pathetic. Aside from the ugly dancers, they also had a show during the night where they had girls on the bottom floor shooting darts from their pussy at balloons and such. One of the women doing that show looked about 60 years old. Disgusting. Maybe this was an exception, but it seems Crazy House has drastically fallen.

[ParkVille]

I visited Crazy House last night around 10 or 11 pm. There was basically zero talent in the bar last night. It was pathetic. Aside from the ugly dancers, they also had a show during the night where they had girls on the bottom floor shooting darts from their pussy at balloons and such. One of the women doing that show looked about 60 years old. Disgusting. Maybe this was an exception, but it seems Crazy House has drastically fallen.The place is horribly managed, if it is even managed. It doesn't surprise me that they let a 50-60 year old up on stage. They let the staff there do whatever they want, and it probably doesn't matter because they are the most popular bar amongst falangs so the customers keep coming back anyway. Whatever, let them, a tourist trap can be a benefit if you never fall for it.

[MusicalToM]

Recently bagged a job at Bangkok. The pay is a little above 70 k per month and will increase in coming times. Work location would be around Ekamai.

Do you guys think after all the expenses (except on girls), I'll be able to save 50%+ of my salary every month? FYI, I'm planning to rent a 1 bedroom condo.

I've been to BKK numerous times but as a tourist, so honestly no idea about monthly expenses. I searched over Internet for this but most of the information available are outdated!

Where I'm working right now, pays me 40% more than this salary but since it's Thailand I'm willing to compromise.

Any suggestion / comment on expenses in general would be appreciated.

Tom.

[Corba753]

Recently bagged a job at Bangkok. The pay is a little above 70 k per month and will increase in coming times. Work location would be around Ekamai.

Do you guys think after all the expenses (except on girls), I'll be able to save 50%+ of my salary every month? FYI, I'm planning to rent a 1 bedroom condo.I lived in Ekamai. Near Major Mall for about 14 months. It was a couple of years ago. And while I know there is a constant fright on who can live on the least. I don't think 35 K is realistic unless you are willing to give up some comforts.

[Syzygies]

Recently bagged a job at Bangkok. The pay is a little above 70 k per month and will increase in coming times. Work location would be around Ekamai. Do you guys think after all the expenses (except on girls), I'll be able to save 50%+ of my salary every month? FYI, I'm planning to rent a 1 bedroom condo.
Tom.I think I should answer in the general thread.

[Franciscass]

Recently bagged a job at Bangkok. The pay is a little above 70 k per month and will increase in coming times. Work location would be around Ekamai.

Do you guys think after all the expenses (except on girls), I'll be able to save 50%+ of my salary every month? FYI, I'm planning to rent a 1 bedroom condo.

I've been to BKK numerous times but as a tourist, so honestly no idea about monthly expenses. I searched over Internet for this but most of the information available are outdated!

Where I'm working right now, pays me 40% more than this salary but since it's Thailand I'm willing to compromise.

Any suggestion / comment on expenses in general would be appreciated.

Tom.Yes, you can live on 35 K, you can live on 20 K many do. Question is what quality of life do you want.

Halfway decent accommodation with utilities (power water cable phone laundry) at least 25 K plus 10 for food and that's your 35 blown.

For leisure excluding P4P I. E. Cinema, drinks (depending on how much), transport, straight massages and other sundries allow another 10 and you're closer to the basic requirement.

Add in P4P and depending on your libido I would forget any notion of saving money. Incidentally depending on your contract most likely there will be some deduction from your pay packet for taxes.

All that aside welcome to the land of smiles where you will have the time of your life and never want to leave.

[Goatscrot]

Recently bagged a job at Bangkok. The pay is a little above 70 k per month and will increase in coming times. Work location would be around Ekamai.

Do you guys think after all the expenses (except on girls), I'll be able to save 50%+ of my salary every month? FYI, I'm planning to rent a 1 bedroom condo.

I've been to BKK numerous times but as a tourist, so honestly no idea about monthly expenses. I searched over Internet for this but most of the information available are outdated!

Where I'm working right now, pays me 40% more than this salary but since it's Thailand I'm willing to compromise.

Any suggestion / comment on expenses in general would be appreciated.

Tom.The answer is no. 70 K will give you a reasonable existence in BKK. You will not be able to "save" anything. BKK is far more expensive than it used to be. You really need 100 K plus to live an ok lifestyle and travel a bit. And that does not include any "savings. ".

[MusicalToM]

The answer is no. 70 K will give you a reasonable existence in BKK. You will not be able to "save" anything. BKK is far more expensive than it used to be. You really need 100 K plus to live an ok lifestyle and travel a bit. And that does not include any "savings. ".Thanks for the advice. I'm going negotiate the offer for 100 k, hopefully I'll be able to convince them for this.

[Member #4591]

Recently bagged a job at Bangkok. The pay is a little above 70 k per month and will increase in coming times. Work location would be around Ekamai.

Do you guys think after all the expenses (except on girls), I'll be able to save 50%+ of my salary every month? FYI, I'm planning to rent a 1 bedroom condo.

I've been to BKK numerous times but as a tourist, so honestly no idea about monthly expenses. I searched over Internet for this but most of the information available are outdated!

Where I'm working right now, pays me 40% more than this salary but since it's Thailand I'm willing to compromise.

Any suggestion / comment on expenses in general would be appreciated.

Tom.If you practice this hobby, you won't be able to save 1 Baht. Think about it. It's about 2,000 USD. If your comdo will be on Sukhumvit, that will be 15-20K. Actually, not only will you not be able to save, but you will most likely burn through your entitle savings practicing this hobby. It's addictive, especially if you live on Suk.

[Allover]

I always enjoy visiting the massage shops on Soi 11 next to Villa Market. The day time selection was awful but it improved greatly in the evening. But good news came at Nana.

Today is my first full day in BKK. I'm at Nana now and I must say I'm very impressed. My last few trips here have been marked by a steady decline in the quality of girls. Not so tonight. Visited Twister, Rainbow 5, Billboard, Angelwitch, and Spanky's. Each had a decent to good lineup and I had no problem making a selection. Went with a girl named Gay from Angelwitch. B700 BF and B2000 short time. She agreed to come to my hotel but I changed my mind at the last second and used the short time hotel at Nana for B350. Gay went out of her way to show me a good time. A very good start to a month long trip.

[ThatGuy68]

First off I'd like to say thank you to all who helped me feel great about my first adventure overseas. Still have a couple things that I have question's about.

I haven't really been nervous on the planning phase of this trip until someone told a story about a nana bar experience and another monger (BKKDOG I think) pointed out it was a post op ladyboy bar. I feel very knowledgeable about lots of things thanks to forums. But is there a complete list somewhere of the ladyboy gogos or which ones are mixed and so on? I searched on here and came up with a few but man I'd like a exact list. HAHA. Thought of drinking one too many and getting into that situation is only thing left bothering me. Studying ways with arms or Adams apple or big feet or tall leaves me not too sure.

Motobike. I have a well reviewed taxi service for transportation from airport to BKK and then to Pattaya. Does anyone have a goto motorbike favorite that speaks decent English? I plan on being everywhere all throughout the day / night for some good reports. Motobike seems like a easier way with less walking. Especially when visiting some of the off-the-beaten path soapies as well as patpong and few other places. I plan on MRT or the other one (Get them confused) for Sukumvit travel.

Finally got my membership so feel free to pm me Motobike information.

Thanks.

[Exodus]

I made a brief trip to Bangkok this month and want to give back to the forum.

I made a trip to Benten Massage for a 1. 5 h massage with a lady whose name is Sora. Prices range being a 1700 and 2600 Bhat depending on length of massage. The higher end of course being all. Inclusive. Room was simple and there was a shower on the same floor. The experience was nice and can recommend.

Here is the homepage: http://gdiary.com/benten-fashion-massage/ It appears the parlour targets Japanese customers as the page is in Japanese. Here is the address: 128/8 Silom Soi 6 Opposite AOI Japanese Restaurant Silom Rd. ,Bangkok 10500 Thailand.

[Member #4698]

I haven't really been nervous on the planning phase of this trip until someone told a story about a nana bar experience and another monger (BKKDOG I think) pointed out it was a post op ladyboy bar. I feel very knowledgeable about lots of things thanks to forums. But is there a complete list somewhere of the ladyboy gogos or which ones are mixed and so on? I searched on here and came up with a few but man I'd like a exact list. HAHA. Thought of drinking one too many and getting into that situation is only thing left bothering me. Studying ways with arms or Adams apple or big feet or tall leaves me not too sure.First off, I think you are getting overly concerned about LB's and walking into the wrong bar, and making a fatal mistake. LOL. In over 25 years of playing around in Thailand, I have never made that mistake nor even come close. I think most punters have a similar experience. Thus the odds of making the fatal error are very, very low because LB's are easy to spot, even for a newbie, by their size (height, hands and feet), exaggerated behavior (especially on stage), looks (most ladyboys contrary to popular myth are not attractive and have some degree of masculinity they can't hide), and voice. Plus, there are not many mixed Go Go's or other venues, so if you spot a ladyboy dancer in a Go Go or massage parlor, assume they are all ladyboys and leave unless you have some secret desire to hook up with one.

Anyway, here is a short list of Go Go's that are all LB free to allay your apprehensions before your big trip. This list is incomplete. I basically composed it off the top of my head of Go Go's that I know without a shadow of doubt do not employ Kathoey dancers.

Guaranteed Ladyboy Free Bars in Nana:

All the Rainbow Go Go's, Billboard, Twister, Spanky's, Candy Land 2. Mandarin, and Angel Witch.

Guaranteed Ladyboy Free Bars in Soi Cowboy:

All Cowboy Bars are LB free except Cockatoo and Midnight (mixed).

Guaranteed Ladyboy Free Bars in Patpong:

Kings Castle 1 & 2, Badabing, Electric Blue, Pink Panther, and the Strip.

[Smoothy]

Guaranteed Ladyboy Free Bars in Nana:

All the Rainbow Go Go's, Billboard, Twister, Spanky's, Candy Land 2. Mandarin, and Angel Witch.Glad to see you didn't include Cassanova. I think there might be some lady boys in there.

[Kater100]

Guaranteed Ladyboy Free Bars in Nana:
All the Rainbow Go Go's, Billboard, Twister, Spanky's, Candy Land 2. Mandarin, and Angel Witch.

Guaranteed Ladyboy Free Bars in Soi Cowboy:
All Cowboy Bars are LB free except Cockatoo and Midnight (mixed).

Guaranteed Ladyboy Free Bars in Patpong:
Kings Castle 1 & 2, Badabing, Electric Blue, Pink Panther, and the Strip.Good list! I think this would be helps a lot. I have the same problem with the LB.

[SenatorDavis]

Thanks for the advice. I'm going negotiate the offer for 100 k, hopefully I'll be able to convince them for this.I got scared and misread the question and thought one needed more than 100 k / yr USD to live in BKK. I was hoping 50 k / yr USD -so roughly 130 k baht / month- could land one a decent rental along Sukhumvit w / and a comfortable walk to the BTS and have plenty of P4P and travel $. Sorry if wrong forum, I will look for answers elsewhere.

[Markly2]

Guaranteed Ladyboy Free Bars in Soi Cowboy:

All Cowboy Bars are LB free except Cockatoo and Midnight (mixed).Cowboy2 has Ladyboys.

[SenatorDavis]

First off, I think you are getting overly concerned about LB's and walking into the wrong bar, and making a fatal mistake. LOL. In over 25 years of playing around in Thailand, I have never made that mistake nor even come close. I think most punters have a similar experience. Thus the odds of making the fatal error are very, very low because LB's are easy to spot, even for a newbie, by their size (height, hands and feet), exaggerated behavior (especially on stage), looks (most ladyboys contrary to popular myth are not attractive and have some degree of masculinity they can't hide), and voice. Plus, there are not many mixed Go Go's or other venues, so if you spot a ladyboy dancer in a Go Go or massage parlor, assume they are all ladyboys and leave unless you have some secret desire to hook up with one.

Anyway, here is a short list of Go Go's that are all LB free to allay your apprehensions before your big trip. This list is incomplete. I basically composed it off the top of my head of Go Go's that I know without a shadow of doubt do not employ Kathoey dancers. .Thanks for the list, much appreciated.

My experience is that if the ladyboy starts the treatments at a young age it is pretty damn hard to tell as most of the telltale masculine signs, such as hands, shoulders, etc, have not really and will not get a chance to develop.

Try walking past Thermae at night, most of the fls outside are ladyboys and you can tell right away with most of them. But with some of them it is pretty hard to tell with bad lighting, I am talking petite figure, pretty face, skinny-- not linebacker shoulders protruding from dress. Even the bar girls have trouble IDing some of ladyboys sometimes so just imagine when your drunk, etc.

Just my. 02 c.

[Farape]

Recently visited this place again, have to say Tilac is now a far cry from where it used to be. Seems like the older, oversized dancers get moved here from the other places. Was there on two occasions, second time didn't even bother to sit down for a drink. Rawhide has a fair amount of cute ones, but mainly Coyotees who can only be barfined for inflated prices or not at all. As usual Bacara has a lot of cuties, but when the Japanese clients are out in full force, Westeners might find it challenging to score. For Massage (well actually not for the massage.), my favourite is Club 102. Well run place (by a French guy, who usually arranges the line up personally), have tried 3 providers (Green, Wawa and Donna) and all were very good, though Green and Wawa were slightly better.

[DwayneJohnson]

Now that I am away from LOS, I am ready to share this strange night in Bangkok. It all began with my tgf coming three days late than earlier decided plan. Three days of my single life back in Bangkok, I was salivating at the prospect of new found freedom and overplanned 72 hrs. My instinct was to just go to soapies in afternoon and gogos at night. Agghhhh if only I had not given any more thought than this. I had to book an escort through smooci so I could optimise my sex frequency. I was arriving late so booked an escort instead of resting for the night. Smooci is great app and booking process was smooth. She arrived on time, She was better than many of gogo girls in boom boom. However, there was big surprise coming for me (she was 100% girl, this ain't that kind of surprise). After boom boom we went out for late night drinking and came back to hotel. As soon as we got back she got a call from her brother or friendzoned brother or brothers boyfriend or whatever they call Thai boyfriend these days. She started crying cause her brother boyfriend found out about her business venture with smooci and he spilled the beans with family. A big loss of face for her. She spent next few hours crying in my arms and I spent those hours hoping that there isn't a somchai waiting outside hotel to stab me. I tried next hour trying to calm her down and getting rid of her. I was even ready to pay full money just to go back home and sleep. Paranoid as fuck, I had just watched elephant King Thai movie on my flight and read too many stories about jelo murdering Bastards in Thai visa. Fortunately, I was not part of any thriller or Bangkok post article. Next two days, I just kept banging emanuelle and lords hotties. Full marks to smooci though she did not go before her time.

[Blanquiceleste]

In over 25 years of playing around in Thailand, I have never made that mistake nor even come close. I think most punters have a similar experience. Thus the odds of making the fatal error are very, very low because LB's are easy to spot, even for a newbie, by their size (height, hands and feet), exaggerated behavior (especially on stage), looks (most ladyboys contrary to popular myth are not attractive and have some degree of masculinity they can't hide), and voice. I am not sure how many punters here will ever 'fess up to mistakenly cozying up with a LB at least once in their illustrious careers. Put one in front of a judge and they will claim the fifth. 5555.

[Houston Player]

I guess I don't get it. I definitely don't want a ladyboy BUT if you really can't tell the difference even after you had sex with them what difference does it make. If you want to be certain look at their ID it will have their born as gender. However be aware if you ask a natural born woman you want to see her ID to prove that she is not a ladyboy it will probably p.i.s.s her off.

As an example if you really think that your date had an orgasm or really enjoyed sex with you what difference does it make if she did or not. lol

[Member #4698]

I am not sure how many punters here will ever 'fess up to mistakenly cozying up with a LB at least once in their illustrious careers. Put one in front of a judge and they will claim the fifth. 5555.One night a couple of years ago as I was leaving Rainbow 3, I spotted a very pretty spinner sitting on the veranda in front of Straps. She could not have been taller than 5 ft. , and probably weighed less than 40 kg with soft skin and what looked like small round natural Thai girl tities. She saw me looking her way and smiled, so I walked over and said Hi. We talked for a while and I told her I thought she was very pretty. Then I asked straight up if she was a ladyboy. She smiled and said no. Ha Ha. And except for the fact that she worked in Straps, a well-known postie LB bar, I would never have asked the question because she totally passed my LB sensors with flying colors. Even sitting close to her in plenty of good light, I could not detect any sign of her not being a very sexy, natural born girl. My spec totally.

So, she invites me into her bar and we go in and sit down at a table. I order a round and we continue chatting. The drinks come and her drink is an orange soda in a small glass. Now here comes the tell: she takes her drink and swallows the whole contents of the glass fast in two large gulps. Then she asks if I want to barfine her. I begin to say something like, "well maybe darling. Uh, why don't we take our time and get to know each a little bit be. " When she abruptly turns around and jumps up onto the small stage before I can even finish my sentence. I am left speechless with my words hanging out of my mouth, but then I begin to laugh. Meanwhile the girl is on the stage right in front of me, pretending I am not there.

I sipped my diet coke for a few more minutes while I checked out the other "girls" dancing in the bar stage. They were all obvious LB's. Then I paid my tab and still laughing / smiling, I waved good bye to the sexy little spinner, whatever she was. And to this day I cannot say with absolute certainty whether she was a natural born girl or a ladyboy. I think she was a real girl, but it does seem a little strange to me that a really pretty natural born girl would choose to work in a small post op LB bar when she could be a super star in a much larger Go Go like Twister or Crazy House and have 10-fold more customers knocking down her door. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Her behavior caused her to fail the audition. Otherwise I might have found out definitively what she really was. 555. But she was the exception that proves the rule. One possible LB out of a thousand might, the operative word is might, have got past my LB sensors. Meanwhile, no sober punter can walk past Temptations, Casanova (good one Smoothy), or Obsessions and not know what's going on. It's that obvious.

[Member #4591]

I am not sure how many punters here will ever 'fess up to mistakenly cozying up with a LB at least once in their illustrious careers. Put one in front of a judge and they will claim the fifth. 5555.That's how I learned straps was a post op bar, by first hand experience. Kicked her out of my condo with 500 Baht. She or he didn't put up a fuss. I was very polite about the fact that I wasn't interested in a post op. It was my 2nd day in Thailand 8 years ago.

[Antex]

One night a couple of years ago as I was leaving Rainbow 3, I spotted a very pretty spinner sitting on the veranda in front of Straps. She could not have been taller than 5 ft. , and probably weighed less than 40 kg with soft skin and what looked like small round natural Thai girl tities. She saw me looking her way and smiled, so I walked over and said Hi. We talked for a while and I told her I thought she was very pretty. Then I asked straight up if she was a ladyboy. She smiled and said no. Ha Ha. And except for the fact that she worked in Straps, a well-known postie LB bar, I would never have asked the question because she totally passed my LB sensors with flying colors. Even sitting close to her in plenty of good light, I could not detect any sign of her not being a very sexy, natural born girl. My spec totally.

So, she invites me into her bar and we go in and sit down at a table. I order a round and we continue chatting. The drinks come and her drink is an orange soda in a small glass. Now here comes the tell: she takes her drink and swallows the whole contents of the glass fast in two large gulps. Then she asks if I want to barfine her. I begin to say something like, "well maybe darling. Uh, why don't we take our time and get to know each a little bit be. " When she abruptly turns around and jumps up onto the small stage before I can even finish my sentence. I am left speechless with my words hanging out of my mouth, but then I begin to laugh. Meanwhile the girl is on the stage right in front of me, pretending I am not there..But there are (or used to be) 2-3 real girls working there.

I just Love the action at Straps. Never picked girl from there but sit drinking and talking to angry mamasan and a couple of girls I know long time.

When question asked they tend not to lie.

[Grandaddy Perp]

Recently bagged a job at Bangkok. The pay is a little above 70 k per month and will increase in coming times. Work location would be around Ekamai.

Do you guys think after all the expenses (except on girls), I'll be able to save 50%+ of my salary every month? FYI, I'm planning to rent a 1 bedroom condo.

I've been to BKK numerous times but as a tourist, so honestly no idea about monthly expenses. I searched over Internet for this but most of the information available are outdated!

Where I'm working right now, pays me 40% more than this salary but since it's Thailand I'm willing to compromise.

Any suggestion / comment on expenses in general would be appreciated.

Tom.Depends on the lifestyle you want. I know a lot of guys who do quite well for themselves on 45 K a month. They have fun, meet and hook up with a lot of girls, and travel around SE Asia a couple of times a year. Then I also know others who try and live like ballers and end up broke after the 1st week of the month.

You can rent a newer 1 bedroom condo (30-40 sq. M.) not far from Ekamai in the On Nut / Prakanong BTS area (1-2 stops away from Ekamai station) for 12,000-15,000 baht fully furnished. Shoebox type place, not much character but its clean, nice facilities including a big swimming pool and fully kitted fitness center. There's also a lot of other places around the city that are equally priced that are actually bigger, nicer, but you have to be willing to live a little ways from the BTS and do some leg work to find them. Right now is actually a good time to come here because of the crazy condo boom that's taken place over the last couple of years. Value to rent has stayed fairly low.

You can also save a bit of money by not running the AC constantly. It can be tough but you may actually find just having a fan on you at night a relief after working in a freezer I mean office all day.

Food is cheap if you're good with eating mostly Thai food. Western options get pretty pricey. There are beer gardens around most residential areas that serve good and cheap Thai food and reasonably priced beer.

If you're serious about staying for a couple of years I also recommend getting a motorbike. This can open up your living choices and save you a bit of money on transport. Its also just convenient to have one due to the traffic.

When it comes to ladies, most guys tend to spend a bit more when they first arrive but usually after a few months the P4P scene can get a bit boring. If you do a bit of networking during the break in period, some of the girls may even meet up with you directly for less or no money. Once you settle in and make some friends, you'll find that getting decent looking women to go home with you to actually be fairly easy, especially if you're a nice enough fellow.

[Mogwai]

One night a couple of years ago as I was leaving Rainbow 3, I spotted a very pretty spinner sitting on the veranda in front of Straps. She could not have been taller than 5 ft. , and probably weighed less than 40 kg with soft skin and what looked like small round natural Thai girl tities. She saw me looking her way and smiled, so I walked over and said Hi. We talked for a while and I told her I thought she was very pretty. Then I asked straight up if she was a ladyboy. She smiled and said no. Ha Ha. And except for the fact that she worked in Straps, a well-known postie LB bar, I would never have asked the question because she totally passed my LB sensors with flying colors. Even sitting close to her in plenty of good light, I could not detect any sign of her not being a very sexy, natural born girl. My spec totally.I think post-op ladyboys consider themselves as real ladies because they have a pussy now (even though it's created) and not a dick anymore.
So maybe you should have asked this girl 'are you a post-op ladyboy?'

[Crazy4Thai]

I think my ladyboy radar is pretty good. A few years back as I cruised the freelancers in the Nana parking lot, I was considering a very cute spinner. As I got closer she announced in a rich baritone voice "I have a dick! As I kept right on going I laughed out loud and said "So do I". She definitely looked like a lady.

[Cheema]

I have a 16 hour layover in Bangkok before my flight to Australia from 7 am to 12 am.

I am RTFF for few days but could not find a place to spend time with sex available.

I want to know is there any German FKK like place in Bangkok where I can relax and also have sex whenever I wanted.

Also recommend any other option for this day layover as most of bars open at night.

Also is there any Soapie or massage parlour having a package for 5_6 hrs with multiple girls like its in german FKK.

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

[ThatGuy68]

First off, I think you are getting overly concerned about LB's and walking into the wrong bar, and making a fatal mistake. LOL. In over 25 years of playing around in Thailand, I have never made that mistake nor even come close. I think most punters have a similar experience. Thus the odds of making the fatal error are very, very low because LB's are easy to spot, even for a newbie, by their size (height, hands and feet), exaggerated behavior (especially on stage), looks (most ladyboys contrary to popular myth are not attractive and have some degree of masculinity they can't hide), and voice. Plus, there are not many mixed Go Go's or other venues, so if you spot a ladyboy dancer in a Go Go or massage parlor, assume they are all ladyboys and leave unless you have some secret desire to hook up with one.

Anyway, here is a short list of Go Go's that are all LB free to allay your apprehensions before your big trip. This list is incomplete. I basically composed it off the top of my head of Go Go's that I know without a shadow of doubt do not employ Kathoey dancers.

Guaranteed Ladyboy Free Bars in Nana:

All the Rainbow Go Go's, Billboard, Twister, Spanky's, Candy Land 2. Mandarin, and Angel Witch.

Guaranteed Ladyboy Free Bars in Soi Cowboy:

All Cowboy Bars are LB free except Cockatoo and Midnight (mixed).

Guaranteed Ladyboy Free Bars in Patpong:

Kings Castle 1 & 2, Badabing, Electric Blue, Pink Panther, and the Strip.Always so much detail in your reports. Appreciate it! I've heard lots about the King's castle 1&2. They are going to be a priority.

[BionicMan]

I have a 16 hour layover in Bangkok before my flight to Australia from 7 am to 12 am.

I am RTFF for few days but could not find a place to spend time with sex available.

I want to know is there any German FKK like place in Bangkok where I can relax and also have sex whenever I wanted.

Also recommend any other option for this day layover as most of bars open at night.

Also is there any Soapie or massage parlour having a package for 5_6 hrs with multiple girls like its in german FKK.

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.If you RTFF you will notice FKK concept is not in Thailand.

The closest is a soap massage. Usually 2 hrs with one girl. But you can double the girls. And then do another session, with a new round of girls.

That's the closest to a FKK.

Otherwise club Eden, where you take two girls and all fun is in the price.

There are some sort of gentlemen club, mainly for locals but open to foreigners too.

Read the relevant threads and have a good time.

We wait for your reports.

[Somewhere15]

I skipped some info from belows post:


Have you ever replied to a PM from some random punter asking for advice and then not receiving a reply back? Not even a single word of "Thanks" ?

Such behavior really pisses me off, and I decided that the effort I put into replying might help some newbie. So here is the reply in a post form. Hope it helps someone.

Good luck with your first trip. No matter what you read on these forums, nothing can prepare you enough for the sensory assault that awaits you in BKK.

Let me try and break it down for you:

The. Nightclubs / Discos: The most popular ones are Insanity, Levels, Spasso, etc. All around Sukhumvit. Spasso can be expensive. Other places, its really upto you and your game. Most places get going after midnight. Thermae is another place you might want to visit, but I doubt you will have success there. The place caters largely to Japanese customers. But a drink there is no harm.

Have fun.Insanity and adjacent business are demolished and new development will take in place.

I always wondering after the closure of Bankok Beat, Climax and now Insanity where are these horny girls are gone. ?

[ItIsMe83]

Anyone know if they are filming a movie or so in Soi Cowboy? Walked there last Sunday and there was a whole filmcrew and big camera's on rails set up etc. Just wondering what it is they were filming?

[Goatscrot]

I skipped some info from belows post:

Insanity and adjacent business are demolished and new development will take in place.

I always wondering after the closure of Bankok Beat, Climax and now Insanity where are these horny girls are gone. ?Insanity moved to a new location on Soi 11. It's open.

[ItIsMe83]

I skipped some info from belows post:

Insanity and adjacent business are demolished and new development will take in place.

I always wondering after the closure of Bankok Beat, Climax and now Insanity where are these horny girls are gone. ?I walked by it last week (soi 11 I think it was) as I was walking to 'above eleven' (great skybar to take a girl!) so I think it just moved.

[IndianKing]

Have you ever replied to a PM from some random punter asking for advice and then not receiving a reply back? Not even a single word of "Thanks" ?

Such behavior really pisses me off, and I decided that the effort I put into replying might help some newbie. So here is the reply in a post form. Hope it helps someone.

Good luck with your first trip. No matter what you read on these forums, nothing can prepare you enough for the sensory assault that awaits you in BKK.Thank you for your post. There are people who do appreciate it.

Any recommendations for gogo bars in the areas you posted?

[Blanquiceleste]

Thank you for your post. There are people who do appreciate it.

Any recommendations for gogo bars in the areas you posted?Thank you for the appreciation, and I would have appreciated more if you only had read a few posts prior to writing one. Natty Bumpo has posted a short and succinct report about the gogo bars to visit in Nana, Cowboy and Patpong. Perhaps that will help?

[Breadman]

First off, I think you are getting overly concerned about LB's and walking into the wrong bar, and making a fatal mistake. LOL. In over 25 years of playing around in Thailand, I have never made that mistake nor even come close. I think most punters have a similar experience. Thus the odds of making the fatal error are very, very low because LB's are easy to spot, even for a newbie, by their size (height, hands and feet), exaggerated behavior (especially on stage), looks (most ladyboys contrary to popular myth are not attractive and have some degree of masculinity they can't hide), and voice.Buddy of mine last trip was in Bangkok solo before I arrived, we met up in Pattaya a week into our trip. On our return to Bangkok he told me about this fantastic gogo but the girls were just way too pushy, he was happy to have buddies with him so he wouldn't have to rush out of there after being approached one after the other. He didn't remember the name of the bar (it wasn't straps) but as he led us to the place I could see the ladyboys standing outside and we stopped a good 50 feet short and had to tell him he was in a ladyboy bar. So I'd have to say the majority of visiters who aren't familiar with Thailand might easily get confused.

[Ogt969]

So I'm in BKK for a week. I went to pink panther tonight to check out the scene for the first time. There were definitely some hotties in there. Really nice, but also pushy. I'm 32 but I'm usually tools I look 25. I'm a little overweight, so that might have something to do with it. Asian girls usually love the red hair though.

Anyways, the going rate was 3 k baht for "house fee" then 500-800 for the girl. I can't imagine the house fee is actually that much, they probably use that as their bargaining chip, but either way it seems way higher from what I've read here which is 1500-2600 total for 2 hours.

I'll be staying near nana BTS if I find a place.

Can anyone recommend something in the price range that I've posted? Or maybe the going rate for chubby red heads is a bit more LOL. Also any tips would be greatly appreciated.

Mahalo.

[BlueKangaroo]

So I'm in BKK for a week. I went to pink panther tonight to check out the scene for the first time. There were definitely some hotties in there. Really nice, but also pushy. I'm 32 but I'm usually tools I look 25. I'm a little overweight, so that might have something to do with it. Asian girls usually love the red hair though.

Anyways, the going rate was 3 k baht for "house fee" then 500-800 for the girl. I can't imagine the house fee is actually that much, they probably use that as their bargaining chip, but either way it seems way higher from what I've read here which is 1500-2600 total for 2 hours.

I'll be staying near nana BTS if I find a place.

Can anyone recommend something in the price range that I've posted? Or maybe the going rate for chubby red heads is a bit more LOL. Also any tips would be greatly appreciated.

Mahalo.(Been lurking on the forums for a while, decided that maybe it's time to contribute).

As is usually the case with all things in Thailand, it is negotiable. ST can range from as low as 1500 and go up to 3000, and a lot will have to do with how you negotiate. As for the BF that's more or less set. Some things to take into consideration is also rapport with the girl and the staff. If you've sat down with her long enough and built some rapport, there's a better chance of getting a better rate, versus you walking in and straight away asking to BF her and take her for ST.

Alternatively you can try saying that you've been here before and the last time you were quoted X amount, and then work your way from there, just quote something believable like if she asks for 3000, you can try your luck saying you paid 2000, and maybe you guys might end up at a happy middle of 2500. If you don't like the rates, then just go somewhere else. Assuming you've done your research then you know that there are a ton of bars in Nana, Soi Cowboy, and Patpong, so if one doesn't work out, just move onto the next one. You can also check out the massage threads on the forum where you can get FS for around 2000.

[Christian G]

Anyways, the going rate was 3 k baht for "house fee" then 500-800 for the girl. I can't imagine the house fee is actually that much, they probably use that as their bargaining chip, but either way it seems way higher from what I've read here which is 1500-2600 total for 2 hours.Are you sure? I think you have reversed the prices. 500-800 for barfine and 3000 for the girl.

For the price 1500-2600 check the massage shop around Sukhumvit road, soi 11-24-24/1-26 etc. BJ Bars. Online P4 P dating.

[Axiata]

Stopped over in BKK for one day and night on the way to Phnom Penh. First stop was Nana to check out the beer bars and play some pool. Quality of the girls was very low and most I would rate well below a 5. After playing some pool went to check out Twister as I have had good results there. The girls there looked lively and were real in that there were no plastic boobs. Picked a cutie with a hot body. About a 7 IMHO with a good attitude and wanting a short time play. Went back to the hotel and while not a star performer she did know how to move her body. Cannot remember her number but I would try again if I stop there on the way out of PP.

Then headed to Spasso and found it to be a sausage fest. A few good looking girls and some what appeared to be over the hill EEs. There was however one who was a stunning looking woman. One of the prettiest faces I have seen with a nice body. I decided to go over and offer a night of fun however I was too late! Someone else saw what I saw and grabbed her. After that I decided to try Mixx. As usual it was pumping late and a lot of good lookers. Spotted a cutie and decided move quickly. She was a little shy in Mixx but back in the hotel was a real GFE. Had a very nice session and sent her on her way early in the morning.

All in all, BKK was as expected. The gogos are not a patch in Pattaya IMHO. Beer bars are also low in quality. The clubs have talent but you need to be quick.

Off to PP and will post there.

Happy Hunting.

[Somewhere15]

Insanity moved to a new location on Soi 11. It's open.Yes you are right. And its a big hall / entrance from 2 sides. But after the closure of the disco on the corner (I forgot the name) I don't come to often to this part of the Soi.

So it is on the end of Soi 11 seen from Sukhumvite main road (which part goes on the end to the left and after that again to the right).

Will visit over the next days / weeks.

[Syzygies]

On the way to Soi Cowboy, the taxi driver indicates he normally drives on Thonburi side, but ought to visit his old friend Som in Soi 14. Ha ha! Could that have been Som, ex Star of Light? Yes indeed. That was the one he meant. He was once a friend of the SOL owner. Sorry on a trivia diversion.

First stop Jungle Jim's have not been in there in a long time, perhaps ever. One very fat girl dancing. Two better looking girls outside. Useless to me. I lasted about 5 seconds inside there.

Next stop Long Gun. Checked out the two sets of girls. Those in bikinis were overdressed. Could not tell if tits were good or bad in some cases. Some girls danced nude with shaved pussies, but were just not pretty and bodies very so-so. One girl was moderately interesting till she opened mouth and I saw the teeth train wreck. I don't require perfect teeth by any means, but they were just a bit too wonky.

Also visited Suzie Wong. Old Manager Taay is gone with several mamasans gone. New female Manager comes from Bacarra management, has a shaved head with Mohawk, deep voice, very likely butch and was crazy, either drunk or on something else. Apparently most of the dancing girls did not take to the new manager and shot through. Mamasan Tukata still works there and Waitresses Yao and Joy are still there. I did not know any of the dancing girls. No. 32 was vaguely my spec, but not as slim as I prefer and I could not see hers tits. None of the others were of any interest. Still some girls dancing nude but not that many. I think all my old girls are gone: Nuu Dee, Knot, Bo, Dtom, Pat, Anne, Noi, Naam, Yao? Lady drinks in Suzi are now 200 Baht and my diet coke was 180. Ouch very steep. Can't see myself ever returning to Suzie again. It's officially dead for me. It was not busy, of course. The good girls are probably all gone.

I visited Sharks. Ex-Suzi waitress Yu was there. She said that several Suzie girls have moved to Sharks, including Pat, and Dtom to start in Sharks soon. Many of my ex-Suzie girls don't work any more (at all). Coyote Naam No. 337 appealed to me. There were several good lookers. The Coyote BF is 1500 ouch. My assessment of Sharks is that it has improved compared to 2 to 3 years earlier. The music is much better for old guy customers including several latin songs. The girls have some fake stuff (sillies) but the girls are less like Bacarra than they used to be. None of the stupid Bacarra hairstyles (that tried to hide very plain faces in Baccara). A good percentage of girls with natural okay Looks or perhaps with a high quality nose job rather than an obvious bad one. So it is easily much preferred over Bacarra for me. The Girls' standard of looks a bit behind Twisters in Nana though. In Sharks my diet coke cost 120 Baht. Very reasonable however the drink for the Coyote girl was 230 Baht. Probably less for gogo girl. No nudity but gogo girls have at least see through tops so can see the tits clearly. Can also see their bottoms wearing g-strings.

I expected Crazy House to be a bit quiet on a Sunday but that was very wrong. I had to wait and move seats more than once till finally got a really desirable seat. Some new girls (naked) appealed. 152 and 178 both had small tits but otherwise my type of body. One had a very beautiful pussy that I would like to get my mouth on. However my regulars Jane and Jan were there. Both slim and sexy. I chose 41 Kg Jane. She always give me a good time and never disappoints. Jan is a little taller. My other regular Oom was missing as usual but I can contact her privately and she lives quite close to me. There was also upstairs action, but I think will be better when they can expand sideways into the Old Dutch, at end of its lease.

[Syzygies]

P. S. Sharks has a girl with at least Double the naturals I think. Wearing see through bra so they looked natural shape to me. She is not at all ugly either. Not quite skinny but not fat by any means. Not quite my spec but could be fun.

[Dextro Sol]

Thank you Syzygies for two very interesting reports from Soi Cowboy. I will use the info on my upcoming trip to Bkk in October. Would you share the numbers of Jane and Jan from Crazy House? I know from before you and I share the about same taste about girls.

[Syzygies]

Thank you Syzygies for two very interesting reports from Soi Cowboy. I will use the info on my upcoming trip to Bkk in October. Would you share the numbers of Jane and Jan from Crazy House? I know from before you and I share the about same taste about girls.These are slim girls, not dick scared, although I am not a high power fucker, just take time. Not a good choice if you need sizable tits. Jane is No. 4, and Jan (Rhymes with "fun") was No. 93, I believe last time I looked. It is possible for girls to have changed number after a long time away, however Jane should always be No. 4. Oom was 91 but changed number. Never mind, she hardly attends.

Both Jan and Jane normally take Farang customers more so than Japanese, I would guess. Tan skin, Farang taste. Oom has lighter skin. Skin colour doesn't matter that much to me, avoiding absolute extremes perhaps.

[Dextro Sol]

I prefer slim girls and small to normal tits. No sillies for me, only naturals.

My bucket list gets longer and longer. .

[Syzygies]

Even though Bangkok tourism is well down, due to politics, some bars are still busy, such as Sharks and Crazy. Bacarra presumeably. Many other bars are dead.

Crazy H still has plenty of sleek reasonably good looking girls to my taste. Still plenty of natural girls with real Thai look. 138, was it?, had amazingly superbly shaped tits but face and ass only so so. Today was Jan's turn (No. 93). She did not disappoint. She acts pretty sexy but not to the point of being really ugly nasty. Met her shy friend Naen who was not naked but I got to check the goods. A future possibility. Just a new girl of 2 months in the bar. Personality not completely wrecked just yet. Maybe a GFE possibility. Several possible girls of really good figures, meaning natural model type. Crazy seems to have improved a bit in the line up, despite old favorites long gone like: Nat, May-Lee, Donut, being the absolute most stunning girls (never would be able to pass up a chance with them as just too good), and others like Ging and Naam also gone. Definitely a good place for guys with reasonable money to splash. Not best place if on a tight budget.

I regret to say I was wrong. The girl with doubleDs in Sharks is not natural. Today I could see her tits lacked bounce. Pretty realistic shape however.

I wasn't willing to fork out 1500 BF for model Coyote Naam (No. 337) in Sharks as she is a totally unknown quantity. Did not really get a strongly sweet and lustful vibe from her. More like a mildly disinterested vibe, so I am better off with girls I know are keen. In Sharks met Phiaow. She worked Suzi perhaps 8 years ago (I remember her from that long ago), but has been at Sharks many years now. These days with sillies. She was just too crazy when talked to me. Not sure if just drunk, or on other stuff. I can't get interested in girls that just play up too much or act weird. I need girls hot but somewhat more normal more natural. The more they act crazy, the more I beware. Also annoys me when girls insist to speak to me in English but I understand their English less than their Thai, due to noise, weak pronunciation and weak grammar. Perhaps drunk girls imagine their English is pretty good. LOL. Also met Pat (ex Suzi W) but she was in big demand so did not get to talk to her properly. The ex Suzi girl could get BFed quicker than most Sharks girls, partly due to looks, curvy body, perhaps also due to service levels. Pat was definitely not one of the duds at Suzi. Tall, shapely, big tits (enhanced) and good face. Yes a young mother, but most don't care. Many readers here will know Pat I reckon. Sister of my former Suzi regular Knot.

[ItIsMe83]

There was also upstairs action, but I think will be better when they can expand sideways into the Old Dutch, at end of its lease.Oh old Dutch will go away? You know when the lease is up? Shame that restaurant isn't particularly run well. Such a prime location they could do so much better.

[JulianDave]

Awhile ago I was strolling the cowboy not finding much of interest.

Later that night I ended up in crazy house around 1 pm, had some spirits and just waited to see who's smile I would catch.

Ended up taking a girl called Kratai (rabbit?) home, she had a scar on her left shoulder on the back.

Beautiful body, not too slim and no baby damage.

One of the best nights and blowies I have had in a long time mongering.

[Syzygies]

Awhile ago I was strolling the cowboy not finding much of interest.

Later that night I ended up in crazy house around 1 pm, had some spirits and just waited to see who's smile I would catch.

Ended up taking a girl called Kratai (rabbit?) home, she had a scar on her left shoulder on the back.

Beautiful body, not too slim and no baby damage.

One of the best nights and blowies I have had in a long time mongering.Thanks for the info.

Kratai and Oom are buddies and live together. I was with Oom (lighter skin colour) tonight, my regular girl (one of). Oom is best energetic fuck in Crazy for me, with lots of tongue action, but quite shy when not on the bed LOL. Doesn't seem to work often nor does Kratai. Never tried Kratai though. Looks a bit like Rihanna, or maybe a lot like. Kratai used to be extremely slim but last I saw had gained weight through lack of working I guess.

I never got a god vibe from Kratai in the bar, but Oom assures me I did not see her real character. Probably goes for guys younger than me.