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Certainly you must have seen Fast Times at Ridgemont High with Phoebe Cates?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSOESfsNd4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovqke9RiMXsNope. Sounds like a girly movie. I vaguely remember seeing Phoebe Cates showering nude under a waterfall or something similar in a clip from some movie. Not Blue Lagoon, but similar. Probably did not actually watch any of her movies, or forgot which one. She might not have been slender enough for my taste. LOL
I remember an early computer game called "Adventure", possibly before your generation, which included going through a maze of "twisty Gnarly passages" (if remember right).
Nope. Sounds like a girly movie. I vaguely remember seeing Phoebe Cates showering nude under a waterfall or something similar in a clip from some movie. Not Blue Lagoon, but similar. Probably did not actually watch any of her movies, or forgot which one. She might not have been slender enough for my taste. LOL
I remember an early computer game called "Adventure", possibly before your generation, which included going through a maze of "twisty Gnarly passages" (if remember right).There is a movie called GNAR. Google "GNAR McConkey".
Well, not really. A fried egg is not common on a hamburger in the US.I am not in US much and would have no clue where to get a decent burger there.
It is in my experience (my country at least and available Thailand) if ask for "the lot" or specifically requested it, from "Greasy Joe's" (I invented this name) hamburger shop, well before Maccas and Burger King and all that shit ever arrived. If I ask for the lot I expect it, but have to make sure they omit pineapple and beetroot and Mayo. Mayo is probably not traditional in my country and it makes such a sloppy mess. I prefer no butter for same reason. Cheese, salad, and cooked onions was always very important back home. With arrival of Maccas, we first saw burgers with raw onions, and pickles on them in my country. Maccas was just too horrible to bear, and most of the other chains similar but not much better.
In some countries, one of the most annoying things is they have no pepper to put on your burger, almost mandatory for me. Apparently German people as example, don't use pepper. @Corner bar (soi 23 and cowboy) does have pepper available, also does include egg and bacon in a burger "with the lot" but in Thailand I always had to ask for my onions to be fried. They know how I have my burger very well, so don't have to tell them anything any more. Just raise the finger to order one. Mayo and ketchup (or BBQ sauce or chili sauce) available but optional. You get to add to your own taste from a squeeze bottle.
In the context I used Gnarly, it means horrible or FUBAR. It can also mean fabulous, depending on the context, viz: Did ya see the traffic on Rama IV? Damn it was gnarly! As oppose to: Wow, did you see the ass on #237. Gnarly! Give me a spoon and a saltshaker.
Eggs on burgers are common on the menu in the US in non fast food joints. Give me a bacon cheeseburger with Egg, lettuce, Tomato, mayo and ketchup, hold the onion and pickle. That's a gnarly burger! Unless its underdone and ya get the trots from it, that is totally gnarly.
Its Valley Speak. Gag me with a spoon, homey.
TigressWanted
10-29-18, 18:22
So I was thinking about my experience with Dollar, who is otherwise a talented lover, a sweet, intelligent and articulate woman. Then I thought about my evening with a lady I picked up at Thermae 2 nights later, Nina. Walking around the packed bar she gave me the brightest smile. She was sitting in one of the booths, not standing like the others, drinking a bottle of beer. We talked quite a bit, she's 34, a slender tattooed pixie, her hair in long braids. I'the always wanted to have sex with a woman shorter than 5' tall and she fit the bill perfectly. Nina wanted another beer. So I was thinking this might be her way of dealing with sex with strangers for extra cash, she's a secretary during the day. Told me I reminded her of Bruce Willis, and that she only hooks up with guys she thinks look trustworthy. Then, as we are walking to my hotel she has me buy her another beer at a 7-11. OK, no problem, she's fun and doesn't look "wasted. " Funny, during our session I start giving her oral and she says "you Americans" like maybe the Asian guys don't go there much, I don't know. Anyway, she was small and tight, "you big for me" even though I'm just average size, but I enjoyed filling her up, immensely. After the clothes were back on she did a prayer ritual. Any of you guys ever experience something like that with a Thai woman right after or right before sex? I guess my main point of this post would be, after years of drinking to deal with freelancing (guilt or nervousness?) one might develop alcoholism? Dunno.
Robert Long
10-29-18, 18:52
I am not in US much and would have no clue where to get a decent burger there.
It is in my experience (my country at least and available Thailand) if ask for "the lot" or specifically requested it, from "Greasy Joe's" (I invented this name) hamburger shop, well before Maccas and Burger King and all that shit ever arrived. If I ask for the lot I expect it, but have to make sure they omit pineapple and beetroot and Mayo. Mayo is probably not traditional in my country and it makes such a sloppy mess. I prefer no butter for same reason. Cheese, salad, and cooked onions was always very important back home. With arrival of Maccas, we first saw burgers with raw onions, and pickles on them in my country. Maccas was just too horrible to bear, and most of the other chains similar but not much better.
In some countries, one of the most annoying things is they have no pepper to put on your burger, almost mandatory for me. Apparently German people as example, don't use pepper. @Corner bar (soi 23 and cowboy) does have pepper available, also does include egg and bacon in a burger "with the lot" but in Thailand I always had to ask for my onions to be fried. They know how I have my burger very well, so don't have to tell them anything any more. Just raise the finger to order one. Mayo and ketchup (or BBQ sauce or chili sauce) available but optional. You get to add to your own taste from a squeeze bottle.One of the all time favorites in Hawaii is the Loco Moco. A large scoop of rice topped with a hamburger patty with an egg on top and covered with thick brown gravy. A cardiac arrest in the making. Hawaii is also the number consumers of SPAM. If for some reason you do not know what SPAM is, google it. I have never ever eaten it and I never want to, but it is historical.
RL.
Etaoin2003
10-29-18, 22:03
Dollar is in her early 40's, has natural C cup breasts, gave passionate BBBJs and lots of DFK. The next day I get a text message from her, "I miss you. " I'm thinking, cynically, she's having a slow day. But I walk to where she's at on Soi 11.
Thought I would be a gentleman and walk her back to my hotel. Get there, she's at a bar, I can't remember the name, and she's completely inebriated. Totally smashed. Can hardly stand up. Great, she's an alcoholic. Just gross. Tried to explain to her why I divorced someone similar and she just turned around and wobbled her way out the door. Very sorry to hear that. She wasn't drunk when I caught her, or rather she caught me, but she was certainly uninhibited. She sidled up to me at the bar at Biergarten and in the first minute or so told me that she wanted to drink my sperm, but she wadn't wobbly. Very aggressive, very affectionate, and she can suck the chrome off a trailer hitch. She wears glasses for distance vision and looks cute in them. 1. 5 plus a Chang at the Biergarten and a Subway sandwich on the way to my hotel. I think she told me she's 43, never married, no babies, not in touch with her family any more. May be somewhat emotionally unstable, but I'm saying that based on her over-the-top sexual aggressiveness.
And she was very clear about her name. In fact I used a mix of dollars and baht to pay her.
And she was very clear about her name. In fact I used a mix of dollars and baht to pay her.Did she spell it for you? LOL okay Maybe right, probably a joke type working name.
Strangely Thais do pick English words for names, even when they can't pronounce it. E. g. "Ice" is a common one.
Thai word for Dollar is "Don" for the sound. E. g. 20 dollars is "yee-sip don".
English Pounds becomes "Bporn" in Thai. Unrecognisable. Cents becomes "sen" just recognisable. Laos money is Kip ("Geep".
One of the all time favorites in Hawaii is the Loco Moco. A large scoop of rice topped with a hamburger patty with an egg on top and covered with thick brown gravy. A cardiac arrest in the making. Hawaii is also the number consumers of SPAM. If for some reason you do not know what SPAM is, google it. I have never ever eaten it and I never want to, but it is historical.
RL.Okay Not quite sure why rice needs to added. LOL Instead of a bun. I would eat it and leave the rice most likely.
As a child I was given SPAM at a camp. I believe the kids put tomamto sauce on it (Ketchup). Was a rude shock, being used to "proper" ham. Wasn't nice. LOL Probably never touched it again. Thais do eat a lot of junky processed factory "meats" here, the balls "Luuk chin" they put in soup noodles for example, or BBQ on a stick. "Crab stick" or "seafood stick" heavily used, and many Thais prefer that over real sushi or sashimi at Fuji restaurant. LOL I don't touch this artificial stuff. No clue what chemicals are in it.
It is likely that chemicals in foods are killing us all very slowly, heart disease, cancers, dementia, etc. I try to avoid it, since we don't really know enough about the long term effects of chemicals, and highly processed foods. This means I have to gradually migrate myself to drink a lot more plain water, and use farm produce direct. Still a coffee addict.
Have you ever tried "Saai gork Issan" (Issan grilled sausage) sold on the roadside? I took one bite and spat it out. Close examination showed it contained rice, fat, grissle, spices, and very little meat to be found, so clearly only the trimmed off stuff normally discarded. I thoroughly recommend readers not to eat this, or even try if expecting a real sausage. The quality level is about a zero for me. Miles below Spam quality I am afraid.
After the clothes were back on she did a prayer ritual. Any of you guys ever experience something like that with a Thai woman right after or right before sex? I guess my main point of this post would be, after years of drinking to deal with freelancing (guilt or nervousness?) one might develop alcoholism? Dunno.Strangely in Bangkok my GF would go through prayer ritual every night before lying down to sleep. Now it seems to have been dispensed with. I had forgotten about it. Not sure why. Certainly never saw this after sex (nor before) unless intending to sleep.
My GF now goes through two or 3 bottles of beer a day. I would prefer her to limit to one. Putting on weight. I did not fear alcoholism so much. I drink much less than her, many days no alcohol.
Some bargirls are blown away blind drunk on nightly basis. This is a worry, but two or three leg openers, is not really that dangerous I think. Just depends if girl knows when to stop, and how habitual becomes drinking far too much.
Soi 23 between 2am and 3am is a sad sight for drunk girls, and pimps coming to pick them up.
1) Arriving at 10:20 pm on Nov. 19 on a Asiana flight in biz class. Is immigration usually bad at that time of night? Is there just 1 immigration line or will my biz class ticket get me in a faster one?
2) Any place in BKK to get an American style Thanksgiving meal on Nov. 22 and / or watch NFL football?
After the clothes were back on she did a prayer ritual. Any of you guys ever experience something like that with a Thai woman right after or right before sex?I've had that happen a bunch of times when they spent the night. I've also had girls who wai'd me before blowing me.
Did she spell it for you? LOL okay Maybe right, probably a joke type working name.Could be a joke, could be real. About ten years ago I met a girl in Pattaya who's nick name was Stamp. Her father was working at a post office when she was born. I'm not kidding you.
Syzygies,
I eat all the stuff that scares you. Spam, Loco Moco (my fav and I'm looking for it in town, I think there is a place in Ari that serves it), Isaan Sausage, Blood Tofu. I temper my disgusting habits with lots of fruits and veggies, avoid alcohol, don't smoke ciggies any more and no weed here. I'm 63 and I hope I die on top of a 20 something with a belly full of Prime Rib. Much nice than being in a nursing home playing handball with my own shit.
Not sure on the arrival lanes.
For thanksgiving dinner check the 5 Star international hotels, St regis ETC. They usually have something of that sort. For football because of the time change not sure where it will be a good place to watch it
1) Arriving at 10:20 pm on Nov. 19 on a Asiana flight in biz class. Is immigration usually bad at that time of night? Is there just 1 immigration line or will my biz class ticket get me in a faster one?
2) Any place in BKK to get an American style Thanksgiving meal on Nov. 22 and / or watch NFL football?.
Could be a joke, could be real. About ten years ago I met a girl in Pattaya who's nick name was Stamp. Her father was working at a post office when she was born. I'm not kidding you.I have come across "Putter" and "Driver", whose father was a keen golfer.
1) Arriving at 10:20 pm on Nov. 19 on a Asiana flight in biz class. Is immigration usually bad at that time of night? Is there just 1 immigration line or will my biz class ticket get me in a faster one?
2) Any place in BKK to get an American style Thanksgiving meal on Nov. 22 and / or watch NFL football?One tip that a well informed member gave me a while ago is that if you are on a time sensitive mission and customs clearance times are a factor, then head to the airports webpage. There you will find a list of arrivals for the airport at a given date / time. If you find that there are more than usual number of arrivals at your particular times, then you can expect delays at immigration.
Your business class ticket "might" get you through immigration quicker, but only if your airline has negotiated an express processing type of deal with the airport. If you are traveling business class on a budget airline an express deal is not likely to be in place. I always fly business class on major non budget airlines and I am usually given an express immigration pass at the point of departure. As I won't fly BC (or any other class for that matter) on low budget airlines I can't enlighten you much, but I suspect you will be disappointed.
2) Any place in BKK to get an American style Thanksgiving meal on Nov. 22 and / or watch NFL football?
The football games will be on Friday. The Thursday 11:30 am game will start at 12:30 am Friday. The Thursday 3:30 pm game will start at 4:30 am on Friday. The Thursday 7:20 pm game will start at 8:20 am on Friday.
The only place I can think of for watching the 8:20 am game is The Game. Breakfast is pretty good there.
I intend to enjoy takeout thighs and breast (45-48 kgs) in my hotel room, flatscreen TV and feet up or on the bed. We all give thanks in our own way on this most special, secular holiday LOL.
2) Any place in BKK to get an American style Thanksgiving meal on Nov. 22 and / or watch NFL football?
The football games will be on Friday. The Thursday 11:30 am game will start at 12:30 am Friday. The Thursday 3:30 pm game will start at 4:30 am on Friday. The Thursday 7:20 pm game will start at 8:20 am on Friday.
The only place I can think of for watching the 8:20 am game is The Game. Breakfast is pretty good there.
2) Any place in BKK to get an American style Thanksgiving meal on Nov. 22 and / or watch NFL football?Bourbon Street on Sukhumvit Soi 63 about a 10 minute walk from Ekkamai bts station is one of the best for a Thanksgiving meal. They have flatscreen TVs but not sure if they will be open during game time. The Tavern on Soi 4/Soi Nana, past Hillary 2 and across from Hillary 1 usually has a game and meal deal going for Thanksgiving, although they usually miss some critical ingredient like cranberry sauce or yams. LOL. Kiwi Pub on Soi 8 will likely have something going on for the Thanksgiving meal and watching NFL football.
Can anyone recommend any bars / clubs / gogos where you can walk in and enjoy FS right there at the bar?
Can anyone recommend any bars / clubs / gogos where you can walk in and enjoy FS right there at the bar?Magic Table if:
You believe recent reports and.
You don't care about looks.
Personally I have never seen it there even years ago.
Crocodilexp
10-31-18, 08:50
Can anyone recommend any bars / clubs / gogos where you can walk in and enjoy FS right there at the bar?Star of Light in Soi Patpong 2 is one of them. I'd be interested to find out about others.
Star of Light in Soi Patpong 2 is one of them. I'd be interested to find out about others.There are some in Soi Cowboy like Djungle Jim with short time rooms upstairs.
Some members seem to have taken an interest in Jabkasai. I had my third session recently and decided been there done that enough. I enjoyed the novelty / curiosity first couple of times but the lack of sensuality got to me last time. The orgasm was still there but the intensity was gone. I would love to hear about other member's experience.
Anyway moving on I now have two I think they are called giks. One works at Boots the other I'm still not sure exactly what she does. I give them both 10,000 a month and see them each four five times a month. They are totally different, the girl from Boots is shy the other is a total mad hatter. The sex with the mad hatter is amazing maybe because we are usually both pissed from a night out when we get at it. She seems open and tells me she has other sponsors who visit Thailand a few times a year. I like being with her but not as much as I do the other girl. She drinks very little, is introverted in a polite way but she is so so sweet. She is intelligent loves movies and music as I do and I think I'm falling for her. A big age difference, Scary!
I am relatively new here and confess I am no expert on Asian values but I am beginning to feel there are some marked differences with the West. The one I am most interested in at the moment because of my involvement with the girl from Boots is what love means here. I am slowly realizing it is more about family, social status and security and emotional love plays a relatively minor part in women's choices. A girl will measure how a man feels about her by how much he provides for her and how much security he can offer her. Is this the way it is, perhaps some more informed than I could offer some guidance. Life is getting a little more complicated.
TigressWanted
10-31-18, 13:20
Last year at the Landmark Bangkok, 4/5 star hotel just around the corner from Nana Plaza, their level 1 restaurant, the Atrium, had this posted on their Facebook page:
Atrium international buffet.
On this special day, our popular international buffet dinner features tasty Roasted turkey with stuffing, along with all kinds of seafood and a fabulous selection of desserts.
Lunch only Baht 1,600 net per person.
Dinner only Baht 2,800 net per person.
I assume they'll do it again this year, great food and ambience there.
Star of Light in Soi Patpong 2 is one of them. I'd be interested to find out about others.Have you tried recently? I am not sure they still do it. New regime crackdown and all, places get a little scared of being raided at the wrong moment. Maybe I was there at wrong time of day. I have not seen full sex in a bar in recent years, maybe not since I did it myself in SOL. Those that have seen this year, please respond.
Naturally I don't count in the toilets, in a special room like at Kangaroo, or upstairs in a closed room. We are talking public in view of those drinking at the bar in good lighting, right?
Subway makes an adequate sandwich and McDonalds is. Well McDonalds. Other than that, there are plenty of places in that area that cater to Westerners and are adequate. A place called the Kiwi comes to mind. Hooters is terrible.
Bradmans on Soi 23 does good western food. I like their Philly cheesesteak.
I have come across "Putter" and "Driver", whose father was a keen golfer.I hope were boys names, not very feminine. LOL Golf seems to be a common name. I do know a Thai boy called "Volks" after "Volkswagon" but pronounced closer to Fork or Folk for the Thais. Fortunately sounds a little different to Fuck. Fak (sounds exactly like Fuck) is a very respectable vegetable in Thai, but hopefully no one ever gets that for a name.
In old days Moo meaning pig was quite common but never seem to find it any more. I knew two girls called Moo, one with big tits, good body, and the other excessively skinny. LOL Some girls tried to set me up with the skinny Moo, however she wasn't at all sexy, so no interest. The other Moo was very doable, in fact the very first Thai girl I really had the hots for, not even in Thailand.
I don't think any Thai will be called Jim, because with rising tone that means "Pussy". It is just possible though. LOL "Hoi" also means pussy so not used as a name.
Extra bonus trivia worth knowing. If someone is called "Khwaay" by a Thai literally meaning buffalo, it does not mean they are fat, but means they are almost brainless. If called "Khuay" that is effectively calling you a "prick" in foul language.
Well, not really. A fried egg is not common on a hamburger in the US.Very common on a burger in Australia, so is bacon.
Nope. Sounds like a girly movie.Definitely not a chick flick. Great movie.
I have come across "Putter" and "Driver", whose father was a keen golfer.You know if a Thai girl doesn't like her nickname, given as a child, she just changes it, to something she likes. I have to assume the girl chose "Dollar" as a bit of a joke for working purposes, can't see how the parents would choose it, and even then why would she retain it.
My own GF changed her nickname, even was innocuous, yet villagers still call her by her childhood nickname which is really far too common "Noi". Her auntie is also called Noi and plenty of other Nois. I have never used it because she chose something else long ago.
Still Thai nick names can always be mysterious, especially hookers working names are the strangest.
Very common on a burger in Australia, so is bacon.Bacon in the US as well. Cooked crispy. In Thailand I always have to emphasize "grop grop. " They just don't want to cook it crispy.
Robert Long
10-31-18, 21:09
1) Arriving at 10:20 pm on Nov. 19 on a Asiana flight in biz class. Is immigration usually bad at that time of night? Is there just 1 immigration line or will my biz class ticket get me in a faster one?
2) Any place in BKK to get an American style Thanksgiving meal on Nov. 22 and / or watch NFL football?Asiana Air is not a low budget airlines. They should give you a fast pass which you will use after you pass the entrance to immigration and you will see the clearly marked door to Fast Pass. I always fly BC with China Airlines and they always give a pass. After you clear Immigration, you will see the conveyor board that will advise you which conveyor you bags are on. BC bags will come up first and you will be out of there in no time.
Thanks for asking about Thanksgiving dinner. I will also be in Bkk during the holidays. Information from the seniors was very helpful.
RL.
Have you tried recently? I am not sure they still do it. New regime crackdown and all, places get a little scared of being raided at the wrong moment. Maybe I was there at wrong time of day. I have not seen full sex in a bar in recent years, maybe not since I did it myself in SOL. Those that have seen this year, please respond.
Naturally I don't count in the toilets, in a special room like at Kangaroo, or upstairs in a closed room. We are talking public in view of those drinking at the bar in good lighting, right?Yes Syzygies. I was hoping there may be stories of grabbing a seat in a dark corner of a bar (or at the bar if if's dark enough) or the back row of a gogo and during the fun and if your girl is up for it, slyly slipping it in as she's grinding on your lap.
I stayed on the west side of the river last time near Phra Pin Klao Bridge. There were two places that had fish bowls with huge parking lots. The staff were very welcoming but I didn't know the deal. Has anyone ever gone to these places? There were no farangs anywhere the whole time I stayed out there. Are these brothels or just massage places? The women were dressed provocatively but I didn't want to assume. Some info would be great. I like to try new things.
Yes Syzygies. I was hoping there may be stories of grabbing a seat in a dark corner of a bar (or at the bar if if's dark enough) or the back row of a gogo and during the fun and if your girl is up for it, slyly slipping it in as she's grinding on your lap.Afterskool still have their naughty corner or you can get a BJ on the benches as ell. In the past of see girls on guys laps grinding away but couldn't tell if they were doing the deed. I assume so, given the nature of Afterskool.
I stayed on the west side of the river last time near Phra Pin Klao Bridge. There were two places that had fish bowls with huge parking lots. The staff were very welcoming but I didn't know the deal. Has anyone ever gone to these places? There were no farangs anywhere the whole time I stayed out there. Are these brothels or just massage places? The women were dressed provocatively but I didn't want to assume. Some info would be great. I like to try new things.If you let me know where, I will do intelligence for you. I live on that side of the river.
JeraldoRivera
11-01-18, 10:31
Anybody want to recommend a good place in sukhumvit by terminal 21/ asok train stop? Thanks in advance.
Afterskool still have their naughty corner or you can get a BJ on the benches as ell. In the past of see girls on guys laps grinding away but couldn't tell if they were doing the deed. I assume so, given the nature of Afterskool.You can't assume so if they had clothes on. If you can't see dick going into pussy, I think it is a big assumption. Plenty of lap dances in Crazy House even with naked girls but not actual public fucking.
I once went to Afterskool (I think it was called) in Cowboy and was pretty disappointed. Just BJ in the partially obscured area, girl not undressed. I am not that into being passive. Was no where near to my experiences previously in Annies Rose (many years back), Kangaroo, SOL, and Toy Bar also quite a few years ago.
Early days of Patpong bars, girls would grab your hand, shove it down their knickers, and be happy for you to finger them. They were very raunchy in order to retain the customer and get drinks etc. , and maybe go for a fuck. Lick out the pussy as well as BBBJ was also on. SOL might have been only place where I got full fucking in the bar, but girl expected me to finish quick, so that was a letdown. I am not that into 10 minute quickies.
I think you need to be able to seriously molest girls to be any real fun. In old days did not cost you that much, or all services may have been free if kept buying the drinks.
Still would like to hear from any guy that fucked the girl in the public bar recently.
Early days of Patpong bars, girls would grab your hand, shove it down their knickers, and be happy for you to finger them. This is something I don't understand. I get zero pleasure sticking my finger in a girl's pussy and getting my finger dirty. I don't mind rubbing their pussy and clit, but I would not stick my finger inside them in the bar. I would also not take a girl home who would allow that. All the guys walking around with dirty hands and they allow those guys to shove those dirty hands inside their pussy? No thanks.
Etaoin2003
11-01-18, 12:43
You know if a Thai girl doesn't like her nickname, given as a child, she just changes it, to something she likes. I have to assume the girl chose "Dollar" as a bit of a joke for working purposes..
.It's her superhero handle, like Rogue or Storm. Reflects her powers.
TigressWanted
11-01-18, 16:12
It's her superhero handle, like Rogue or Storm. Reflects her powers.If I lived in Bangkok Dollar would be one of my regulars as long as she was relatively sober. Our afternoon of sex was followed up with a lunch date at Indulge (great fusion food, fancy presentations, reasonable prices, near Soi Cowboy). She is an articulate and warm companion, worthy of an escort. After my second go round in Bangkok I realize now how much chemistry plays a role in average vs good vs great sex. The better the chemistry the more the women tend to give, the more responsive they are, the more extraordinary and memorable the session. Stating the obvious, right? My best sessions were with women who had above average English skills.
Banana Boi
11-01-18, 22:21
This is something I don't understand. I get zero pleasure sticking my finger in a girl's pussy and getting my finger dirty. I don't mind rubbing their pussy and clit, but I would not stick my finger inside them in the bar. I would also not take a girl home who would allow that. All the guys walking around with dirty hands and they allow those guys to shove those dirty hands inside their pussy? No thanks.Absolutely agree. I don't like girls who are finger puppets to every yahoo out there either. I also don't see the thrill of fingering a girl but, like Smoothy, will rub their pussy.
There was a girl at Windmill when I first started coming to Thailand who was young, cute, super perky tits, and a great personality. Almost perfect for me but I never barfined her because she was one of the girls who let guys in the bar do anything and I mean anything to her. I did like her enough to treat her to a couple of nice dinners on her days off but she was a bit too skanky even for me.
Anybody want to recommend a good place in sukhumvit by terminal 21/ asok train stop? Thanks in advance.
Some of the oiiies around Phrom Phong BTS have a fish bowl like set up. I consider Thermae to be a big open fish bowl. Girls are standing around the perimeter of the bar. Just point and shoot in a ST room upstairs.
JeraldoRivera
11-02-18, 02:54
Absolutely agree. I don't like girls who are finger puppets to every yahoo out there either. I also don't see the thrill of fingering a girl but, like Smoothy, will rub their pussy.
There was a girl at Windmill when I first started coming to Thailand who was young, cute, super perky tits, and a great personality. Almost perfect for me but I never barfined her because she was one of the girls who let guys in the bar do anything and I mean anything to her. I did like her enough to treat her to a couple of nice dinners on her days off but she was a bit too skanky even for me..Thanks! I had not heard of thermae before but its right by my hotel so I hope to learn all about it! How much should I expect to pay for a 30 min fukey sukey? I regret not staying over at phrom phong bts as my hyper vigilante partner will be watching me like a hawk and its going to be hard to explain extended disappearances.
This is something I don't understand. I get zero pleasure sticking my finger in a girl's pussy and getting my finger dirty. I don't mind rubbing their pussy and clit, but I would not stick my finger inside them in the bar. I would also not take a girl home who would allow that. All the guys walking around with dirty hands and they allow those guys to shove those dirty hands inside their pussy? No thanks.Do you prefer fingering assholes? LOL If you think her pussy is so dirty, you won't want to fuck her as well?
That was 25 years ago. Patong girls back then could be extremely slutty. We don't see this so much anymore. Although fingering pussy as always been a major aspect of play in BJ bars over the years. My very first visit to Annies Rose bar in Pat Pong (25+ years ago) was greeted with seeing a customer sitting at the bar with his fingers up a naked girl's snatch. She sat on another barstool facing him and leaning back to let him go for it. She wasn't that attractive to me, older and over weight, but she had to give customers what they wanted to make money. Girls had much less restrictions in those days. Not sure if he was going to fuck her too. I think they had a little room for fucking. I think I recall fucking multiple girls in the back room concurrently, but not the fat one. I recall the bar-tendie girl Tukata was best looking but she seemed to be not available for a fuck. Strange I still remember the name. A visit to Kangaroo bar at lunch time was great. You would be swamped by several girls and could pull their clothes off and do pretty much whatever you liked. They would be trying to blow you. Some were shy and wanted to go to back room for fucking though. Even fucked the bar tender girl there. There were some Thai boys hanging around those bars. That may have caused some girls to be a little bit shy.
It does me make me horny fingering a girl. Most of my regular girls allow it, of course we usually showered and got clean right before sex. It should be less risky that BBFS with a girl, however I did pay the penalty once when rubbed my eye before washing and caught Chlamydia in one eye from a girl working in J One Soapy. The doctors (including eye specialist) in home country had little clue it was Chlamydia at first until I finally suspected it myself and got a test done. Once known, easily fixed with Azithromycin or Gentamycin. Apart from that, never found any additional risks from fingering. Finger is important to detect the sponge obstructions in a girl's pussy that make her far too difficult to get proper penetration (assuming dick is more than 4 inches or so) LOL.
Each to there own but I like to put the sensory parts of me, in a pussy, and no condoms does feel better if I think the girl is not too risky. I don't like to do much with the sluttiest girls that will allow anything anymore. As you ay know, my girl choices at Crazy House were generally not the most raunchy girls by any stretch of the imagination. I leave the raunchy ones for you.
These days I tend to go for classy girls, and use condoms with most girls. In old days I did a lot things with raunchy girls. Now I have migrated from raunchy to model looks preferred. I have not fucked in the public bar for at least 10 years at a guess. Probably not fingered a girl in a bar for many years as well, allow light touching of naked girls is easy.
Crazy House customers have been known to stick fingers in a girl's pussy I believe. Some raunchy girls may allow it, but maybe not many.
Ha ha. That Banana Boi wants to take a girl too skanky, to dinner seems strange. I would only want a classy girl who makes really great conversation as a dinner only girl. I do know the odd girl I would take to dinner if I am keen to try the restaurant not alone, but definitely not girls too raunchy.
This is something I don't understand. I get zero pleasure sticking my finger in a girl's pussy and getting my finger dirty. I don't mind rubbing their pussy and clit, but I would not stick my finger inside them in the bar. I would also not take a girl home who would allow that. All the guys walking around with dirty hands and they allow those guys to shove those dirty hands inside their pussy? No thanks.I'm with you 100% on this as well.
The better the chemistry the more the women tend to give, the more responsive they are, the more extraordinary and memorable the session. Stating the obvious, right? My best sessions were with women who had above average English skills.Yes normally chemistry matters. I had great fun with Pin from Boss, where ET managed to experience a clash. Girl could be in a bad mood for no reason known to us of course. Customers looking only for Specific services and not for GFE may not require any chemistry however. Just lie back and get blown so as long as she has the technique and skills, chemistry could be irrelevant.
Yet I have absolutely stupendous sex with girls when level of a common language was zero. I fondly remember slim Momo from Cuba as one of my best girls yet she spoke basically only Spanish, maybe a few words of German and no English. I had pretty much zero Spanish. Despite no real talking, I don't think the chemistry was a problem at all. Sometimes we just click from actions alone. Give each other a good time.
When I first came to Thailand, majority of my girls and very low to zero English, and my Thai was very weak (only been learning a few months). No big problem really. Chemistry was not affected so badly. Most selected Thai girls were great in bed. With all night bookings I would gradually pick up some Thai from the girls, as had to listen to it, at high speed and baffling. Phonetic Thai Dictionary got used a lot. At that time I only just started to learn Thai script. I did receive letters written in Thai in those days, so that forced me to learn Thai script. We did not have messaging apps and Thai girls did not have access to computers at all in early 1990s. No ISG forum to my knowledge.
I guess some guys see conversation as a much more integral thing. For me, I can separate sex and conversation to be two totally different things. Not much conversation occurring during sex for me. It would be distracting. Mouth should be otherwise busy. What is there to talk about. You just do things and gauge the girl's reaction to it. i.e. does she like it or not? Hand signals work fine without speaking.
The assumption here is you don't need to be telling the girl a lot of things to do or giving orders. Just being happy to experience what she chooses to do. I am a go with the flow type. I don't make advanced conversations giving specs of all things that must occur. I just like to know what type of guys the girl likes.
Thanks Z9, very helpful info for out in the exurbs neighborhood. Alice Spa looks good but they only communicate in Thai. I'm trying to find the Line for Geisha, if you have it PM me.
So if you google "kapoo club web board", you will find the forum that breaks all the Kapoo places down by different neighborhoods around Bangkok. Or here is the link http://www.kapooclubwebboard.net/forum/index.php.
You will have to google translate every page on your computer. Then if you click on any of the individual shops listed you will be in their forum with all of their details, location, advertised specials, pics and names of girls, etc. Some of the shops will advertise "unlimited water" in the details for the duration of session chosen. Those are your multi-pop places. I live on Chaengwattanna Rd. And frequent those Kapoo clubs in that area. Sorry, I don't have many personal experiences around the more central areas of Bangkok. Looking at the web board I can see Kapoo places all over town. But almost all of the Kapoo clubs in my area are multi-shot places. Pricing ranges from 1000 to 1800 for 90 min. So maybe a stopover after a trip to immigration is due so some of the ISG readers, hehehe! I can personally recommend Geisha, Aiei spa, and Zapa. All 3 of those are multi-shot places with Geisha in Pakkret being my favorite.
Just google Ten Sauna Bangkok and that should work. But here is the link to their facebook profile https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ten-%E0%B8%8B%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A7%E0%B9%8C%E0%B8%99%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%B2/164501003592983..
The sauna side is for men only. They provide everything including lockers, shorts, towels, free tea, free fruit snacks, and the rest of the facilities for around 200 baht. The fishbowl is visible from the front desk. The girls are average, but you only pay for the massage (average oil massage prices), and the extra's will be paid to the girl. So you will have to negotiate that in the room. But the standard 500 HJ, 1000 BJ, 1500 for everything applies here also. I enjoy the sauna more than anything else, but it's nice to have to the option for action so easy if you feel the urge.
I used to have a better place where it was just a sauna facility as described above, attached to a soapy MP that catered more to locals (pale skinned expensive stunners), but it closed this year. But Ten Sauna is still the same sort of set up. Everyone seems to be welcome with no hesitation.
I hope my info gives some new Bangkok options for other people. I've tried most of the P4 P options around town based on info from ISG, but I'm always hunting for more options just because I enjoy the hunt. I also live in an area that caters only to the locals where P4 P in concerned. So it's kind of fun and exciting to see what doors I end up walking through. I haven't been turned away anywhere.
Thanks Z9, very helpful info for out in the exurbs neighborhood. Alice Spa looks good but they only communicate in Thai. I'm trying to find the Line for Geisha, if you have it PM me.Kapoos clubs and speaking other languages sounds difficult. I never heard of exurbs before (I'm not American) , but seems to mean beyond the suburbs, Kapoo clubs will be in the suburbs. I live in Exurbs. Well beyond suburbs. No other houses close. Only farms. Almost no cars.
What do you mean by the line for Geisha?
Geisha (ห้าแยกปากเกร็ด) (ผู้ดูแล: ♥เกอิชา ห้าแยกปากเกร็ด omitted phone number แตกไม่อั้น ถอดหมด 1499♥) Geisha is located at 5 way intersection Pak Kret. Reception Geicha ..... unlimited pops, completely undressed.
https://goo.gl/maps/bEoNadfaCzK2
Is this your area? What else are you looking for? You can get the phone number yourself. I omitted it from above message line due to forum rules.
Kapoos clubs and speaking other languages sounds difficult. I never heard of exurbs before (I'm not American) , but seems to mean beyond the suburbs, Kapoo clubs will be in the suburbs. I live in Exurbs. Well beyond suburbs. No other houses close. Only farms. Almost no cars.
What do you mean by the line for Geisha?
Geisha is located at 5 way intersection Pak Kret. Reception Geicha 0837049088 unlimited pops, completely undressed.
https://goo.gl/maps/bEoNadfaCzK2
Is this your area? What else are you looking for?Maybe this helps even more:
https://goo.gl/maps/3arqSyATXXE2
Now you know exactly where and have the phone number. If phoning them, you might need a Thai speaker to help. LOL
If you plan to go, just keep in mind most of these clubs do not provide full service, and ladies may or may not be naked when they are in the room with you.
If you plan to go, just keep in mind most of these clubs do not provide full service, and ladies may or may not be naked when they are in the room with you.The Geisha advert says "Thort Mot" which means take everything off to be completely naked. So some are prepared to make it clear. This of course only suggests full sex will be possible.
If you let me know where, I will do intelligence for you. I live on that side of the river.Valentine Massage might have been one of the places. They are close to each other.
Anybody want to recommend a good place in sukhumvit by terminal 21/ asok train stop? Thanks in advance.I stay near there. I start everyday with a BJ at Som's Heaven before site seeing. They open after lunch I think. If you are too early, you have to enter through the back alley which isn't a problem.
AssLover945
11-02-18, 19:41
I know a few ST hotels in Sukhumvit, where I have pulled Oily girls to have a more relaxed session.
But now I have this office working lady, who lives in Phayathai. So I am looking for a ST hotel around there.
Please help me with location of such places / hotels which rent by 2-3 hrs or even overnight.
But has to be basic (clean and cheap) if possible.
Robert Long
11-02-18, 20:18
Anybody want to recommend a good place in sukhumvit by terminal 21/ asok train stop? Thanks in advance.Walk down Soi 19 and on the right side you will see many massage shops and the girls sitting outside. Most of those shops will oblige in anything you want. You need to discuss with them outside and negotiate the rate. They are high priced at first but don't rush to agree.
RL.
TigressWanted
11-02-18, 20:51
I'm sure you noticed them selling plastic bottles of it, 2 sizes. Didn't see it in Bangkok 2 years ago but now its a thing. I drank a boat load during my stay, refreshing in the hot humid afternoon. Many health benefits too, read:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/318385.php
Cheers.
I stay near there. I start everyday with a BJ at Som's Heaven before site seeing. They open after lunch I think.
In with Soi do I find Som's and how much for the BJ?
Member #4643
11-02-18, 23:52
I have found a few (maybe 50% of the girls I contacted) who are willing to be my vacation GF. Some ask for money, but many do not. I am happy to set a price in advance, but I have no idea what this entails.
Generally, I take the girls for dinner, go out dancing, and take them back to my hotel for the night, which includes late night and morning sessions.
Advice would be appreciated, as although there are some guys into this type of lady, pricing is rarely discussed. The goal is to have a happy lady without breaking the bank. I am generally willing to go as high as 5000.
I have found a few (maybe 50% of the girls I contacted) who are willing to be my vacation GF. Some ask for money, but many do not. I am happy to set a price in advance, but I have no idea what this entails. Advice would be appreciated, as although there are some guys into this type of lady, pricing is rarely discussed. The goal is to have a happy lady without breaking the bank. I am generally willing to go as high as 5000.I have no advice. Wondering for how long and where you are heading with byo.
I have found a few (maybe 50% of the girls I contacted) who are willing to be my vacation GF. Some ask for money, but many do not. I am happy to set a price in advance, but I have no idea what this entails.
Generally, I take the girls for dinner, go out dancing, and take them back to my hotel for the night, which includes late night and morning sessions.
Advice would be appreciated, as although there are some guys into this type of lady, pricing is rarely discussed. The goal is to have a happy lady without breaking the bank. I am generally willing to go as high as 5000.You are very generous and seems like you want to have a connection with the girl. But some girls may mistake your generosity for weakness and try to exploit it. I would suggest not offering anything upfront (you'd pay for everything, anyway), but if she made you happy during the vacation, give her a nice "gift". I have never done it but thought about it a couple of times.
Thanks! I had not heard of thermae before but its right by my hotel so I hope to learn all about it! How much should I expect to pay for a 30 min fukey sukey? I regret not staying over at phrom phong bts as my hyper vigilante partner will be watching me like a hawk and its going to be hard to explain extended disappearances.Oh you're in for a treat! Thermae is a Bangkok institution! It's been there for quite a while Opened in 1966! Many a Vietnam vet has been there. It has seen better days. Today, you will see a whole bunch of people sitting around an oval bar and whole bunch more along the walls of the room. The lights are bright. The music is bad. And there is smoke in the air! The place is full of East Asian men. Primarily Japanese and Korean. And a whole bunch of young Thai women who dress and put on make up and develop mannerisms to look like young Japanese women! Which is weird, right?! You are going after Japanese men who probably slept with a lot of Japanese women and you are made up like a Japanese girl. Anyway, I would not pay more than 1000 B for short time. Thermae gets going early and goes late Enjoy and post a report!!
Some members seem to have taken an interest in Jabkasai. I had my third session recently and decided been there done that enough. I enjoyed the novelty / curiosity first couple of times but the lack of sensuality got to me last time. The orgasm was still there but the intensity was gone. I would love to hear about other member's experience.
Anyway moving on I now have two I think they are called giks. One works at Boots the other I'm still not sure exactly what she does. I give them both 10,000 a month and see them each four five times a month. They are totally different, the girl from Boots is shy the other is a total mad hatter. The sex with the mad hatter is amazing maybe because we are usually both pissed from a night out when we get at it. She seems open and tells me she has other sponsors who visit Thailand a few times a year. I like being with her but not as much as I do the other girl. She drinks very little, is introverted in a polite way but she is so so sweet. She is intelligent loves movies and music as I do and I think I'm falling for her. A big age difference, Scary!
I am relatively new here and confess I am no expert on Asian values but I am beginning to feel there are some marked differences with the West. The one I am most interested in at the moment because of my involvement with the girl from Boots is what love means here. I am slowly realizing it is more about family, social status and security and emotional love plays a relatively minor part in women's choices. A girl will measure how a man feels about her by how much he provides for her and how much security he can offer her. Is this the way it is, perhaps some more informed than I could offer some guidance. Life is getting a little more complicated.I think your instinct in the last paragraph is right on. There is more focus on the provider side and not so much on romantic love. But you know what? If you love this girl and she loves you back (sees you as provider) - that's fine. But think of the project ahead. You can slowly lead her into opening up to new things! Like a flower blossoming. That would be an adventure. But a woman is unlikeley to enjoy sex and be in love if she is not happy with you in general (Einstein).
2) Any place in BKK to get an American style Thanksgiving meal on Nov. 22 and / or watch NFL football?
The football games will be on Friday. The Thursday 11:30 am game will start at 12:30 am Friday. The Thursday 3:30 pm game will start at 4:30 am on Friday. The Thursday 7:20 pm game will start at 8:20 am on Friday.
The only place I can think of for watching the 8:20 am game is The Game. Breakfast is pretty good there.I watched football at Gulliver's on Soi 5 - a pub style bar with pool tables and lots of TVs. They will put it on for you if you ask. They have food also. It's a nice bar. You can actually relax without a whole bunch of girls bothering you. But there is enough eye candy to keep you happy. If you get bored, you can put your name in line for a pool game or two! They open at 11 AM. I did see a good sports bar at Raddison Blue. Can't remember the Soi. They'll probably have it. Good luck and post a report!!
I have found a few (maybe 50% of the girls I contacted) who are willing to be my vacation GF. Some ask for money, but many do not. I am happy to set a price in advance, but I have no idea what this entails.
Generally, I take the girls for dinner, go out dancing, and take them back to my hotel for the night, which includes late night and morning sessions.
Advice would be appreciated, as although there are some guys into this type of lady, pricing is rarely discussed. The goal is to have a happy lady without breaking the bank. I am generally willing to go as high as 5000.I have taken many girls on vacation. Ofcourse USA girls no money. Dominican girls to AI resorts. Costa Rican girls to Panama. Thai girls I have taken all over Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Macao. Philippines girls to many places in Philippines only. Chinese girls to all over China including couple for Yangtze cruise.
No money discused upfront. Those that set a fee I do not take. Because they think money only and not to enjoy with you. If a girl is willing and friendly after meeting and having fun I tend to take them on vacation. It makes like a romantic trip.
Yes, vacation becomes expensive. In USA the girl you take will pitch in or buy her own knickknacks and their own outfit. No money given to USA girls.
Asian girls I met are not rich and do not have anything. I have to buy clothes, swimwear, makeup kits etc before the trip. Once on the trip they want to buy gifts for family and friends mostly knickknacks. I need to pay for those. Air tickets, hotel, food are expensive st vacation places. After all that I do compensate her time. No set fee but need to give something. It depends what you feel like giving. 5000 baht a day maybe too much after all the expenses. More like 2000 a day.
If you meant you need a single girl to stay with you during your vacation you need to compensate according to the going rate. If they work in the bar they need to be compensated accordingly. But if they are normal girls from dating sites you generally give lumpsome at the end.
Oh you're in for a treat! Thermae is a Bangkok institution! It's been there for quite a while Opened in 1966! Many a Vietnam vet has been there. It has seen better days. Today, you will see a whole bunch of people sitting around an oval bar and whole bunch more along the walls of the room. The lights are bright. The music is bad. And there is smoke in the air! The place is full of East Asian men. Primarily Japanese and Korean. And a whole bunch of young Thai women who dress and put on make up and develop mannerisms to look like young Japanese women! Which is weird, right?! You are going after Japanese men who probably slept with a lot of Japanese women and you are made up like a Japanese girl. Anyway, I would not pay more than 1000 B for short time. Thermae gets going early and goes late Enjoy and post a report!!I go there every week. There is no smoke in the air, and the Japanese style is down to a smaller percentage than I have seen in years. There are more Koreans and Chinese now. The number of Falangs going seems to be increasing.
You ain't getting nothing out of there for 1000 B unless she is a dog and its closing time.
But Thermae will always be my favourite since my first trip way like 25 plus years ago.
Jimmy Boy 99
11-03-18, 03:20
Oh you're in for a treat! Thermae is a Bangkok institution! It's been there for quite a while Opened in 1966! Many a Vietnam vet has been there. It has seen better days. Today, you will see a whole bunch of people sitting around an oval bar and whole bunch more along the walls of the room. The lights are bright. The music is bad. And there is smoke in the air! The place is full of East Asian men. Primarily Japanese and Korean. And a whole bunch of young Thai women who dress and put on make up and develop mannerisms to look like young Japanese women! Which is weird, right?! You are going after Japanese men who probably slept with a lot of Japanese women and you are made up like a Japanese girl. Anyway, I would not pay more than 1000 B for short time. Thermae gets going early and goes late Enjoy and post a report!!You will save a lot of money if you follow Crypton's advice about paying no more than 1000 baht, since no one will go with you. If you read this thread, the going rate is 2500 baht (maybe 2000 if she is not that attractive and / or desperate).
Franciscass
11-03-18, 05:10
I think your instinct in the last paragraph is right on. There is more focus on the provider side and not so much on romantic love. But you know what? If you love this girl and she loves you back (sees you as provider) - that's fine. But think of the project ahead. You can slowly lead her into opening up to new things! Like a flower blossoming. That would be an adventure. But a woman is unlikeley to enjoy sex and be in love if she is not happy with you in general (Einstein).DL's concerns about what love is all about for Asian girls are well founded but I would argue there is every possibility of him having a meaningful long term relationship with this girl.
Emotional / physical based love a la western values is usually a short lived phenomenon with a life span a couple of years. After that its compatibility shared interests family etc that decides the success or otherwise of where it goes next.
I would suggest he spends more time getting to know her better, enjoy the relationship without committing himself. I guess this is easy to say but nigh impossible when you are falling madly in love with a beautiful Thai girl. I know I've been there but even if it doesn't work out it is better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. I wish him luck.
Thanks yes, I found their Line. The manager on the other end messaged me in basic English, so that plus my basic Thai should be fine.
Maybe this helps even more:
https://goo.gl/maps/3arqSyATXXE2
Now you know exactly where and have the phone number. If phoning them, you might need a Thai speaker to help. LOL
Franciscass
11-03-18, 06:19
I am relatively new here and confess I am no expert on Asian values but I am beginning to feel there are some marked differences with the West. The one I am most interested in at the moment because of my involvement with the girl from Boots is what love means here. I am slowly realizing it is more about family, social status and security and emotional love plays a relatively minor part in women's choices. A girl will measure how a man feels about her by how much he provides for her and how much security he can offer her. Is this the way it is, perhaps some more informed than I could offer some guidance. Life is getting a little more complicated.Along with my reply to Crypton's post for what it's worth may I offer the following advice.
Do not overspend I. E. Take her on a shopping spree to Gaysorn with stops at Louis's, Hermes and Prada. For sure the odd trinket to show your appreciation is allowed but lavish spending sends out the wrong signal.
As you say there is a big age difference and while I'm sure this girl is no hard core grifter you can never be certain what her true intentions are.
One last piece of advice if she ever asks for money for some family emergency while not always this is usually bad news.
I have found a few (maybe 50% of the girls I contacted) who are willing to be my vacation GF. Some ask for money, but many do not. I am happy to set a price in advance, but I have no idea what this entails.
Generally, I take the girls for dinner, go out dancing, and take them back to my hotel for the night, which includes late night and morning sessions.
Advice would be appreciated, as although there are some guys into this type of lady, pricing is rarely discussed. The goal is to have a happy lady without breaking the bank. I am generally willing to go as high as 5000.Huh? Why would you pay a girl you're dating any money? Some guys here really have strange ideas. Here is what I do: I just have a good time with them.
I'm sure you noticed them selling plastic bottles of it, 2 sizes. Didn't see it in Bangkok 2 years ago but now its a thing. I drank a boat load during my stay, refreshing in the hot humid afternoon. Many health benefits too, read:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/318385.php
Cheers.Not sure about healthy. Most of it is fake. The fresh fruits and squeezer are just decoration. You'll get one of the bottles that contain mostly processed juice.
I'm sure you noticed them selling plastic bottles of it, 2 sizes. Didn't see it in Bangkok 2 years ago but now its a thing. I drank a boat load during my stay, refreshing in the hot humid afternoon. Many health benefits too, read:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/318385.php
Cheers.Its always been in Bangkok, especially around tourist areas where it isn't pure Pom juice, but a mixture. If they squeeze it right in front of you. You win. But not many folks are winners.
Not sure about healthy. Most of it is fake. The fresh fruits and squeezer are just decoration. You'll get one of the bottles that contain mostly processed juice.And it's often cut with water or even something else. Nobody knows what's inside unless you bring it to a laboratory for a test. I had a Thai friend who had one friend of her who sold the orange juice bottles, she advised me to never buy these bottles as they were always cut with something. A few month ago it made the headlines with a video of Vietnamese preparing these bottles and laughing when putting some other stuffs inside. Thais in social media were very angry at them.
OK, so it seems FS is not really going to happen in the bar anymore, sign of the times I guess. So how about establishments where they'll pull it out and give you a tug? Apart from the obvious places on Soi Cowboy, anyone know of somewhere this is a regular thing done in a dark corner?
MP,
About a month ago you were in Angeles City and you went and donated to an orphanage. Can you PM me the contact info and name of the orphanage as I may visit them on my next visit in a month or so?
Thanks,
DG8787.
Member #4643
11-04-18, 07:21
Huh? Why would you pay a girl you're dating any money? Some guys here really have strange ideas. Here is what I do: I just have a good time with them.To go away when you are done.
You must have heard this before. But then again, you are amnesia! LOL.
And it's often cut with water or even something else. Nobody knows what's inside unless you bring it to a laboratory for a test. I had a Thai friend who had one friend of her who sold the orange juice bottles, she advised me to never buy these bottles as they were always cut with something. A few month ago it made the headlines with a video of Vietnamese preparing these bottles and laughing when putting some other stuffs inside. Thais in social media were very angry at them.Outside the tourist areas you can get the fresh squeezed OJ.
Not sure about healthy. Most of it is fake. The fresh fruits and squeezer are just decoration. You'll get one of the bottles that contain mostly processed juice.I noticed the sale of "Tub Tim" (pomegranate) juice of very dark purple mixture. Immediately struck me the colour was wrong. Now a Pomegranite does not have that much juice and I really don't believe it is that dark purple colour, since the fleshy part surrounding the seeds is a slightly lighter red colour, like light crimson. Now I could be wrong, but my assumption is it is fake or highly adulterated. Maybe it is possible the colour looks a lot darker when in a bottle.
If someone has seen a whole bottle of Pomegranite juice made from go to wo, great I would like to hear. Did that require 20 Pomegranites maybe?
If the very dark purple was made from skins of Mangosteen ("Mangkhut"), that might actually have health benefits, but artificial colouring seems more likely.
Could be some stands sell real stuff and others sell fake stuff. Colour of the juice could vary. I once used to buy passionfruit juice (known in Thai as "saowarot" or Isaan as "bakatoklok"), but became very hard to get it, not obviously mixed with sugar and other crap, possibly MSG, and water, I. E. Obviously diluted.
If could be sure to get pure juice with nothing added, might be okay In general I don't drink juices because of high sugar content. Dietary experts recommend us to eat fruit to get both juice and fibre and skins (of apples for example), but not to squeeze the juice out and then throw away the healthier part. Drinking large amounts of juice is considered to be taking in too much sugar these days, even if was original fruit sugar.
If anyone thinks there is real "tub tim" Pomegranite juice, I suggest buy a "tub tim", cut it open, and try to find a good way to get the juice out and see how much you actually get. Might change your mind. I am guessing the juice is really minimal. My mother has a Pomegranite tree in her front yard.
There is a Thai dessert called "Tub Tim Krop" which means crunchy Tub Tim. Yet it does not contain any "tub tim" at all. Made from cut up water chesnuts "Haew" coated in agar or similar sticky rice translucent jelly with colouring.
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If could be sure to get pure juice with nothing added, might be okay In general I don't drink juices because of high sugar content. Dietary experts recommend us to eat fruit to get both juice and fibre and skins (of apples for example), but not to squeeze the juice out and then throw away the healthier part. Drinking large amounts of juice is considered to be taking in too much sugar these days, even if was original fruit sugar.I was glad to live in Thailand to be able to gorge on Mangos, passion fruit etc. Now I read pesticide residues are through the roof.
I was glad to live in Thailand to be able to gorge on Mangos, passion fruit etc. Now I read pesticide residues are through the roof.So pesticides are permeating the skins, is that right? Just happens I have significant fruit trees where I live not being hit by pesticides, so depends where you get them. Organic maybe possible.
Have passionfruits, Papayas (plenty), Bananas, limes, and some mango trees coming along. Have to import apples of course.
Huh? Why would you pay a girl you're dating any money? Some guys here really have strange ideas. Here is what I do: I just have a good time with them.Dating is a misleading word. I don't use it myself. Why not just call it fucking? Dating is more about serious relationships I thought, where is never 100% sure when you will get a fuck.
We pay to keep it simple. I pay girl to fuck now. Then she goes away. There is no ongoing responsibilities. We may well have a GF or wife already.
However in Thailand and other countries, there is the possibility to hire a temporary wife who will go away on holidays with you and act like a GF, for several days or more. The other day was reading about some rich guys hiring a woman to be his wife for a year. LOL By paying we hope to get a girl of superior quality that normally in non P4 P might be out of our league (especially far too young). LOL.
Sometimes these hired wives turn out to be a lot more fun than the real wife or GF for several days. I recall taking a well known MP girl to Krabi and Phi Phi Island for several days. It was a tremendous holiday. She wasn't boring. I think it multiplied the fun over going alone. Now if you happen to have a real GF equally good, great, go for it. Some guys just don't want a real GF with the strings attached.
If you get the most fabulous girls for free, then lucky you. Ronaldo got one too in Las Vegas, seems is was not for free after all.
Right now I am real happy with a regular girl who gives a fab fun time, and she has little choice but to see me fairly often, and make it great for me, since she needs some money assists each month. She says she would not be doing so if she did not want the sex too, but she still needs some money help. So where does the truth lie? Somewhere in between.
I once had a regular date to see a girl once per week for BBFS, and an agreed price, for years. We both had regular partners (GF or BF), but were not getting what we needed. So this was a paid 2nd or minor secret wife. I don't do her any more. Eventually wasn't sexy enough, and face seemed to go blotchy. She probably approaches 50 now, and I am significantly more than that. LOL However can hang on to a girl for years if give her what she needs, and visa versa.
Most of my GFs cost me in one way or another, some more costly than mongering, even if was only stealing years of my time. Outsourcing the sex, just seems to be a lot easier.
Clearly a lot of us don't have the time to be going out "dating" for real. I have a long term GF already. She would be much happier for me to have the odd play up, than to be out dating.
Most of my GFs cost me in one way or another, some more costly than mongering, even if was only stealing years of my time. Outsourcing the sex, just seems to be a lot easier.
Clearly a lot of us don't have the time to be going out "dating" for real. I have a long term GF already. She would be much happier for me to have the odd play up, than to be out dating.I used the term "dating" to distinguish between a hooker / freelancer and a normal girl. If a girl asks for money, then she's a hooker. No problem with that; if she's okay with 1. 5-2 k ST I'll keep her in my Line account for the moments when I'm lazy and just want the convenience of having a fuck-pay-leave thing.
A girl who does not ask for money is a normal girl. She will not receive any money from me. I am not dating those girls, however. I stopped dating. If a girl doesn't want to meet at my place for a movie or near my place for a drink (which means I will just take her to my room) I just next. Enough cute 18-24 yo available online who are easy-going.
I might offer them a drink at my place, or some food because I'm ordering anyways since I normally work long. Worst case, they cost me 200-400 THB for a pizza / sushi / burger. Quite often, they don't want anything as they've eaten already when we meet at 8 or 9 pm.
I do not take them on dates, and certainly not on any trips. They are really only bootycalls: we meet after work, have sex, maybe eat something and watch Netflix, then sleep. The next morning, I will go to work, and they either leave or stay and clean my room. Some even wash my clothes (not necessarily a good idea one out my wool suit pants in a 90 degrees washing machine).
None of them is expecting anything. They know I am not looking for a GF. They know I have other girls. They come for the sex and for having a good time together. Some are seeing other guys in parallel. Some are looking for a serious relationship in parallel.
Let's be fair; most of those girls are in a different league. They don't have the education, experience, status and money that we have. Still they are nice people and good company. The girl that wasted my suit pants got out of her to contact my tailor and get me new pants which she paid for herself.
I could never see myself paying these girls any money. I actually think most of them would be offended that they are confused with being a hooker. Most importantly, however, I would feel bad about it. Not about the money; I could afford having a couple of sponsored gfs, no problem. But I could not enjoy it. I enjoy my giks because I can be sure they enjoy it, too. That's what makes the whole thing exciting. If I paid them, they would be in for the money, whatever else they claim (or why not just stopping the payments?
Even more, I would actually feel bad. They already get something much more valuable than money, which is my time and my company. We hangout together, we cuddle, we have a conversation (however trivial the topic might be). I would feel cheated if they got money on top, and it all would feel fake. I have to go to those G-Clubs sometimes because my Thai work colleagues love them. Every time I am there I want to puke right into the girl's face. You're paying a lot of money just so that she pretends to like you and enjoy your company. When I pay, I want sex, and just that. I do it for the convenience; I don't want to give my time and company. I fuck you, I pay you, then you leave. With a normal girl, I want to have a good time we both enjoy. I am not mixing the two things up.
Anyway, to each their own. My preferences might be different than yours. What works for me might not work for you. I just couldn't understand it.
Someone recently reported plenty of real girls outside the Thermae, not just Ladyboys. It did not really ring true for me.
Tonight at 11.30 PM I stopped there when passing to really take in the scene and have a good look at nearly all the "ladies". There were 3 or 4 real girls sitting right at the top of the stairs. To be honest previously I never would have noticed them at all. Because so fucking ugly. All older as well, poor body shapes.
Hanging back from the top of the stairs in a big arc were the ladyboys. Far better looking than the girls in their own way. Just once single very pretty white faced girl among them. I was immediately certain she was a girl because her face was small and so delicate. Actually I would consider doing her but her body was a bit obscured. Name was Naen. I spoke to her briefly and remained certain she was female. The only one in the standing arc. She was outside because she was clearly with her two friends that were ladyboys. Sitting down on the garden fence towards the Sofitel were another 3 or 4 real ladies, but also another ugly group. So not counting girls passing in and out, or just arriving back, just 1 single very beautiful faced girl waiting for a customer. 7 or 8 ugly girls that I normally would not even notice they were there.
So good lady choices outside? Very few indeed, I saw just 1, and maybe a second showed up at the end, but wasn't sure if she would stay outside or just chatting to a friend briefly. Maybe 12 to 15 ladyboys. The standard of girls out on the footpath on Sukhumvit odd Sois side at night is not very good all up. Maybe a petty one exists sometimes.
Earlier looked at some girls dancing naked in 5 Star. Bad music but bar was full (its very small). Still gets me going a bit if girl is completely nude showing pussy and the body appeals. One girl gave me new contact info for ex CH girl, so that was worthwhile. Good lighting in there. LOL The 9+ body girl I BFed before was busy with Asian customer. No worries I was not really eager for a fuck anyway.
Someone recently reported plenty of real girls outside the Thermae, not just Ladyboys. It did not really ring true for me.
Tonight at 11.30 PM I stopped there when passing to really take in the scene and have a good look at nearly all the "ladies". There were 3 or 4 real girls sitting right at the top of the stairs. To be honest previously I never would have noticed them at all. Because so fucking ugly. All older as well, poor body shapes.
Hanging back from the top of the stairs in a big arc were the ladyboys. Far better looking than the girls in their own way. Just once single very pretty white faced girl among them. I was immediately certain she was a girl because her face was small and so delicate. Actually I would consider doing her but her body was a bit obscured. Name was Naen. I spoke to her briefly and remained certain she was female. The only one in the standing arc. She was outside because she was clearly with her two friends that were ladyboys. Sitting down on the garden fence towards the Sofitel were another 3 or 4 real ladies, but also another ugly group. So not counting girls passing in and out, or just arriving back, just 1 single very beautiful faced girl waiting for a customer. 7 or 8 ugly girls that I normally would not even notice they were there..That's the beauty of Bangkok, at 10:30 I see the ladys, at 11:30 you see the ladyboys, at 12:30, who knows, I'm in bed, alone or with someone.
I was in and out Saturday at 11 pm, there were only three GGs outside with perhaps a dozen LBs. Two of the three GGs were doable, but again, looked too young. Two monsters were on the stairs grabbing as you walked by. Between Thermae and Asoke, a poor selection except for one chick by Tops pounding down some food. I didn't go below Thermae so can't comment as to quality. I know that on my last few strolls, the Nana Parking lot has been meh. On the other hand, I have been seeing some lurkers on Soi 33 that looked presentable, but haven't stopped to chat despite their yearning looks as I walk by.
I think I'm due for a late nighte. I'm just so reluctant because hunting the vulva at night interferes with the cool stuff I want to do in the daytime. If for example, I want to take my daily exercise in Koh Kret or Bang Kachao, I have to get up early. That doesn't even count day trips here and there where I got to be at Hua Lamphong or Talat Phlu RR at 7:30 am. Going out to 3 am, adding booze to the mix and then playing hide the sausage all night basically kills two or three days before I can recover. Ah, lost mispent youth!
Someone recently reported plenty of real girls outside the Thermae, not just Ladyboys. It did not really ring true for me.
Tonight at 11.30 PM I stopped there when passing to really take in the scene and have a good look at nearly all the "ladies". There were 3 or 4 real girls sitting right at the top of the stairs. To be honest previously I never would have noticed them at all. Because so fucking ugly. All older as well, poor body shapes.
Hanging back from the top of the stairs in a big arc were the ladyboys. Far better looking than the girls in their own way. Just once single very pretty white faced girl among them. I was immediately certain she was a girl because her face was small and so delicate. Actually I would consider doing her but her body was a bit obscured. Name was Naen. I spoke to her briefly and remained certain she was female. The only one in the standing arc. She was outside because she was clearly with her two friends that were ladyboys. Sitting down on the garden fence towards the Sofitel were another 3 or 4 real ladies, but also another ugly group. So not counting girls passing in and out, or just arriving back, just 1 single very beautiful faced girl waiting for a customer. 7 or 8 ugly girls that I normally would not even notice they were there..Why would a female be waiting outside Thermae? The only ones I ever saw were ones smoking, and they would go back in once they were done. I suppose some might be outside near closing time, but I haven't hung around till then in a long time.
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Too crowded, lots of guys are figuring out that it is nicer sometimes to hang outside and the girls are following to check out the inventory.
Taking a break.
Having a smoke.
Waiting for a GF.
Chilling after an ST before going in.
I spend as much time outside sometimes as I do inside. Buy a brew from the bar in front of the Hotel and hang there. Its cooler and less chance of getting bumped by a Beijing Bob. You get to see all the talent coming in.
The Thermae has always been as much fun outside as it has been inside. Its just toned down a lot.
Why would a female be waiting outside Thermae? The only ones I ever saw were ones smoking, and they would go back in once they were done. I suppose some might be outside near closing time, but I haven't hung around till then in a long time.Good reasons:
* Smoking as you say.
* Non Thai or age too low (but risky).
* Good looking Girl is hanging with her LB friends, perhaps trying to make those LBs appear to be female, or just lending moral support to not so pretty LBs.
* About to go home but just hanging a little longer.
* Trying to grab a weak confused customer on his way out alone.
* Very ugly so hoping to pick up some dumb customer too lazy or too stingy (for drinks) to go inside, and too ugly to be competitive.
Last 2 categories seem to dominate and overlap.
I do recall taking a girl from outside Thermae, but must be many years ago, and close to or at closing time.
Pointy Stick
11-05-18, 07:54
I was probably wandering around at the same time as you that night and I thought to myself "wow these chicks are far hotter than the Soi 4 FL's." I will definitely be far more circumspect now.
So good lady choices outside? Very few indeed, I saw just 1, and maybe a second showed up at the end, but wasn't sure if she would stay outside or just chatting to a friend briefly. Maybe 12 to 15 ladyboys. The standard of girls out on the footpath on Sukhumvit odd Sois side at night is not very good all up. Maybe a petty one exists sometimes.
I took a lady from Thermae out last night thinking she was an independent, but later on she told me she needed to call her mamasan to let her know she was going to stay LT.
Etaoin2003
11-05-18, 14:49
Finding basic info in the forum is hard and I wish ISG had a wiki feature. Since it does not, as a favor to clueless newbies, here is an outline of a few basics you should know before coming to Bangkok.
Getting in: You probably will fly into Suvarnabhumi (BKK), which is pronounced sort of like sue-want to-boom. Get at least enough cash from an ATM or a change booth to pay for your ride into town. The airport is connected to the city by an inexpensive rapid rail line. However, if you have lots of luggage or arrive in the middle of the night, you'll have to take a taxi. Use the queue service, which is very well organized. Remind the driver to turn on the meter or he will charge you a more expensive flat rate. Pay the expressway tolls with the inconvenient thousand-baht bill that you got from the ATM. That will leave you with small bills to pay the taxi. The ride to your hotel should cost around 350 THB (under 10 dollars).
Stay: Bangkok is a sprawling city with many neighborhoods. For practicality, you should stay in the "lower Sukhumvit" neighborhood. Sukhumvit is a very long street, beginning at the Ploenchit shopping center and Skytrain station. Side streets (soi) have ascending numbers as you head east. Odds are on the north side, evens on the south. Anywhere around Nana or Asoke BTS stations is right at the heart of the action. You certainly can stay elsewhere, but it's best to be near a BTS Skytrain station. Most hotels are visitor-friendly, especially if you book a double room. Unless you have some sort of ego problem, there's no need to stay in an expensive chain. There are thousands of perfectly fine rooms by western standards, for less than 40 dollars. Save your money for the important stuff.
Get around: Use Google Maps and download maps before leaving home to save data charges. Traffic is horrible. BTS Skytrain and MRT Subway are your friends. They are cheap and easy to navigate. Ticket machines support English. On the ground, you can hail a moving taxi or use the Grab taxi app. Any parked taxi is probably going to run the "meter broken" fare scam on you. Tuk-tuks are an option, but many drivers will try to pressure you into gem and souvenir shops. Motorcycle taxis are cheap and good if you have a death wish. Importantly, lower Sukhumvit is entirely walkable -- only five or ten minutes between BTS stations.
Food and drink: Western-style food is widely available in bars. Thai food is everywhere, naturally. Street carts are much safer than you'd think (ingredients are very fresh) but you might need a temporary girlfriend to help you make a purchase, as there won't be any English menus. Thai beers are mostly of the "cheap yellow" variety -- only a few bars have craft beers. Distilled spirits may be counterfeit. Wine is not a Thai thing. Best not to drink the Thai whiskey.
Where to find bar girls: There are three primary "entertainment" centers with go-go bars, where you typically are expected to buy one drink but not pay a cover charge. Two are in lower Sukhumvit. Soi Cowboy is a block north of the Sukhumvit-Asoke intersection and has the most neon. Nana Entertainment Plaza is on Soi 4, just south of Sukhumvit, and has a large covered courtyard surrounded by go-go bars. The third center is Patpong, which is north of Silom street near the Sala Daeng BTS station. Patpong is notorious for ping-pong shows and for second-floor bars being clip joints, so beware. "Beer bars," which will not have performing girls, are near all three centers. In fact, lower Sukhumvit has hundreds of them. Sit down, order a drink, and the very friendly girls will find you. Be careful with buying "lady drinks," as the charges can add up quickly. To take a girl from a bar, you'll have to pay a "barfine" of 400-500 baht in addition to whatever the girl charges.
Where to find freelancers: In addition to bar girls, there are thousands of freelancers operating in Bangkok, concentrated in lower Sukhumvit. Even in the daytime there will be dozens along the north side of Sukhumvit between Soi 3 and Soi 11. Street freelancers are cheaper than bar girls (and there's no barfine), but there may be greater risks. There also are several bars popular with freelancers. Thermae, in the basement under Ruamchitt Hotel, is packed each night with beautiful women in their 20's trying to land a free-spending Japanese tourist. Biergarten, on Soi 7, is a daytime and evening pickup spot for MILFs in their 30's and 40's. After closing time, dozens of illegal pop-up bars (basically a cooler full of beer) materialize on the north side of Sukhumvit and side streets such as Soi 7, and freelancers will drop their prices. To determine whether a girl is a freelancer, make eye contact and smile. A brief conversation will lead to the truth. Don't bother the girls working at the vendor tables.
Massage: There are many both legitimate and sex-oriented massage shops, and it's usually not hard to tell the difference. If in doubt, ask if they provide "special massage," then ask if "boom-boom" or just BJ or HJ is on the menu. You won't offend by asking, and they've heard it all before. "Oily" massage places such as Snow White are straightforward brothels. With a massage parlor, you don't need to go to your hotel (or rent a cheap short-time hotel), but it can be an impersonal quickie experience. Do take the time to get a good legitimate Thai massage while you're in town.
Money: Get to understand what 500 and 1000 baht mean in your home currency, as that will simplify the math. Blowjobs start at 500, sex typically at 1000, but asking prices of 1500-3000 are more common. "Short time" means an hour and one pop. "Long time" means all night (and maybe half of the following day). If you run short of cash, ATMs are everywhere. Note that you'll be charged a fee for each withdrawal, so a few bigger withdrawals are better than lots of small ones.
Communication: English is common and you won't have any trouble communicating with your hotel clerk or most waitstaff. If you run into a girl whose English is poor, don't despair -- basic sex communicating isn't complicated.
Behavior: You're a guest in a military dictatorship that has horrible prisons. Don't be an asshole, don't break the law, don't even THINK about drugs, don't throw trash or cigarette ashes on the ground, don't get into arguments, don't disrespect the king. If you can't follow those basic rules, stay home.
Ladyboys: Pay attention here. If it looks too good to be true, it is. Some ladyboys (katooeys) invest heavily in surgical modifications. Tipoffs include height, voice, Adam's apple, aggressive behavior. If in doubt, ask politely. There are go-go joints and massage parlors specializing in ladyboys, and it should not be hard to tell the difference.
Angels and demons: Anyone who comes up to you with an offer of help, unasked, is probably a mild scammer. And there are many tales of spiked drinks, et cetera. But it's terribly overblown. The truth is that most people are genuinely friendly and Bangkok is probably safer than whereever you're coming from. Take care. The girl you're talking with might be in it just for the money, or even have plans to pick your pocket. On the other hand, she might be someone who finds happiness in making other people happy. Make your choices carefully. This is where it pays to spend some time chatting with girls before heading to your room. Being respectful, kind and considerate are core Buddhist values. If you wander through Nana Entertainment Plaza before the bars are fully open you may be surprised to find girls lining up to pray at a Buddhist shrine. The more girls you treat as angels, the better your chances of finding one.
You mentioned illegal pop up bars opening late night on North side of SUK in your report. According to the many recent reports I have read, these bars have been eliminated by the BIB over the last few years. I spent the winter of 2016 living in Soi 8 and used to love wandering around in the wee hours checking out the talent and vibes at these impromptu bars and was disappointed to read they were closed down. It was an interesting and unique part of my experience living in central Bangkok.
So have the pop bars had a Renaissance or is this exaggerated or incorrect reporting? I am coming to spend the winter again after a two year hiatus so looking forward to everything the Big Mango has to offer. I used to frequent Bangkok Beat to the point I almost got my mail there, but they too, alas, closed in 2016. Wondering if there are any suitable replacement venues with live music that have opened?
Finding basic info in the forum is hard and I wish ISG had a wiki feature. Since it does not, as a favor to clueless newbies, here is an outline of a few basics you should know before coming to Bangkok.
Getting in: You probably will fly into Suvarnabhumi (BKK), which ................Great report Etaoin for the new ones. Thank you (but I'am a very old one!
You mentioned illegal pop up bars opening late night on North side of SUK in your report. According to the many recent reports I have read, these bars have been eliminated by the BIB over the last few years. I spent the winter of 2016 living in Soi 8 and used to love wandering around in the wee hours checking out the talent and vibes at these impromptu bars and was disappointed to read they were closed down. It was an interesting and unique part of my experience living in central Bangkok.
So have the pop bars had a Renaissance or is this exaggerated or incorrect reporting?1 or 2 Cart bars have arrived on Soi 23 again maybe one in Sukhumvit between 21 and 23 and a couple in Soi 21 almost connected to Cowboy. Might be some others in side sois but I just mention what I saw recently.
I watched football at Gulliver's on Soi 5 - a pub style bar with pool tables and lots of TVs. They will put it on for you if you ask. They have food also. It's a nice bar. You can actually relax without a whole bunch of girls bothering you. But there is enough eye candy to keep you happy. If you get bored, you can put your name in line for a pool game or two! They open at 11 AM. I did see a good sports bar at Raddison Blue. Can't remember the Soi. They'll probably have it. Good luck and post a report!!You might try Roadhouse Barbeque on Rama IV at Surawong.
Hanging back from the top of the stairs in a big arc were the ladyboys. Far better looking than the girls in their own way. Just once single very pretty white faced girl among them. I was immediately certain she was a girl because her face was small and so delicate. Actually I would consider doing her but her body was a bit obscured. Name was Naen. I spoke to her briefly and remained certain she was female. The only one in the standing arc. Tonight was approaching Thermae and saw Naen getting into a taxi with a customer and maybe a lady boy as well. Naen was wearing a stunning white dress so looked better still than previous night. Between Thermae and Sofitel the usual 3 or 4 short dumpy ugly girls sitting on the steel pipe. Outside Thermae, excluding girls emerging with a Japanese or other Asian guy, all ladies standing outside were ladyboys. Not one real girl. Time was 0:15, so I still maintain worthwhile real girls outside are rare.
Starting much earlier, went to finally meet Bam from Kiss and other affiliated MPs (Honey Bee, Passion, Kiss 2, Absolute, the list goes on to make 7 shops). Apparently Kiss, Honey bee, and Passion are the busy 3. Do they have any good looking girls? Not in my experience. Hard to find any slim models. Bam was a big disappointment too, but not too unexpected. Nothing like the web pic at all. Not even close to the looks of a Bam I once knew at Plaza Soapy (Makkasan years ago). Not really a thick girl like most but well past her best at age about 30. Possible nose job, it looked strange enough to me. Never had a really good service at these shops so forget it. Might go for it, if girl was stunning, or even looked mischievous. LOL.
Did a quick survey of street walkers in Soi 4. Only managed to find one pretty enough to consider doing, really. Cheap girls but not much quality.
Moved on to buy some medication (past the petrol pump Charoen Pharmacy got 15 sheets of my medication for 225 Baht so 15 Baht for a sheet of 10) and then went in Billboard for a drink and a look. A lot of good bodies in there if you like skinny slim tall models (tall in high heels at least). So quite a few girls had body at least 8 out 10 as far as could tell with a bra on. Stand out girl was 810. A bit more meat on her tits and ass. Very curvy. Body scores 9 and face a 9 also. 816 and 818 looked quite good to me too but skinnier maybe scoring 8 and 8 (face and body). Met one of my Shark girls in there with a customer. She said she has not worked Shark bar for a month. Maybe has been booked out by her customer for full month. She is a saucy fun slim girl. Might consider trying 810 one day. Can anyone recommend? She looks just a little distant compared to most girls. 818 would be 2nd choice.
On way out of Soi 4 met the infamous Pin, ex Boss massage. Face not really that pretty scores 6 to 7, but she is very curvy (implants) and has a very cheeky mischievous look about her. I asked her how come she quit Boss. Says she gets a lot of Farangs on Soi 4, so makes more money, starting 6 pm. I guess Boss customers are mainly Asian and Asians would not pick Pin. She is clearly Farang type of choice.
Just before that met a tall girl street walker I used to do. Looks like a ladyboy, and needs a lot of makeup to make face look not too ravaged. I gave her away not because the sex wasn't good, just her face and body not up to standard and started to want more money because I am not a quick fuck.
Met some possibilities, but so few to challenge my regulars. No overheads for regulars come to visit me. Hope to get my Shark girl to visit privately as well. Managed to make contact again with ex regular from Crazy also yesterday. So some productive re hook-ups with old girls. My do list is slightly expanded, instead of continual shrinkage.
So my advice if you are a guy that does not get bored by super girls too easily, is collect the contacts for a set of really great super girls to come and visit you. Does not matter then if is a holiday and bars are closed. You are pretty much guaranteed to get good sessions. Most of my regulars, I have known for years. One or 2 possibilities to become regular from this year but not yet certain.
Angels and demons: Anyone who comes up to you with an offer of help, unasked, is probably a mild scammer. And there are many tales of spiked drinks, et cetera. But it's terribly overblown. The truth is that most people are genuinely friendly and Bangkok is probably safer than whereever you're coming from. Take care. The girl you're talking with might be in it just for the money, or even have plans to pick your pocket. I never met a girl that tried to pick my pocket. Ladyboys maybe. People offering help may well be serious scammers too, not good to play down this warning. Not all of them though. However if something seems to good to be true, then it is not true. If you are told it is your lucky day, best avoid. If offer to take you to somewhere great, best not go. If tell you your intended place is closed, it probably is not closed at all. I don't like to accept help unless I ask for it.
Biggest warning. Don't fall for a girl quick. Takes a very long time to really know someone. I met more than one guy who met their wife on first day in Thailand. LOL Some of these ended very badly. Girls meet guys for economic reasons.
Etaoin2003
11-05-18, 19:57
You mentioned illegal pop up bars opening late night on North side of SUK in your report. According to the many recent reports I have read, these bars have been eliminated by the BIB over the last few years. There are a couple of dozen after closing time every night along Suk and around the corners on Soi 7, 7/1 and 11. The scene was still going strong when I was there at 3-4 am Generally it's not more than a card table, a couple of plastic chairs, some girls who are dying to meet you, and a cooler full of beer that's cheaper than you would have paid in a real bar. The police never really eliminate anything (your guess is as good as mine as to why) . The old night market along Sukhumvit may be "gone" but anywhere there's not an active business, somebody's going to be putting up tables and display racks and peddling T-shirts, sex toys and Kamagra jelly. A lot of that activity has been pushed around the corner onto a side street.
Etaoin2003
11-05-18, 20:23
Biggest warning. Don't fall for a girl quick. Takes a very long time to really know someone. I met more than one guy who met their wife on first day in Thailand. LOL Some of these ended very badly. Girls meet guys for economic reasons.Yes! And it's so easy to fall for a woman who dotes on your every word, who fetches your drinks and rubs your back and really puts her heart and soul into making you happy. Next week she may be doing the same thing with someone else. Many people might say that means she's a bad person. Perhaps the truth is the opposite. Sisters of mercy, as Leonard Cohen called them. Whether such a person is a good choice for a long-term relationship may turn as much on your outlook as on hers.
There is a Pali word, mudita. It means sympathetic joy, the delight in another person's well-being. It is not mutually exclusive with self-interest.
Anyway, if there are angels and demons, most of us are a bit of both.
I have a AIS traveller SIM card from last year last used Feb. 5th 2018 is it still going to be good when I land if top up with min? Or will it be expired. ?any and all info would be appreciated, thanks.
Hotman 666
11-05-18, 20:48
Finding basic info in the forum is hard and I wish ISG had a wiki feature. Since it does not, as a favor to clueless newbies, here is an outline of a few basics you should know before coming to Bangkok.
Getting in: You probably will fly into Suvarnabhumi (BKK), which is pronounced sort of like sue-want to-boom. Get at least enough cash from an ATM or a change booth to pay for your ride into town. The airport is connected to the city by an inexpensive rapid rail line. However, if you have lots of luggage or arrive in the middle of the night, you'll have to take a taxi. Use the queue service, which is very well organized. Remind the driver to turn on the meter or he will charge you a more expensive flat rate. Pay the expressway tolls with the inconvenient thousand-baht bill that you got from the ATM. That will leave you with small bills to pay the taxi. The ride to your hotel should cost around 350 THB (under 10 dollars).
Stay: Bangkok is a sprawling city with many neighborhoods. For practicality, you should stay in the "lower Sukhumvit" neighborhood. Sukhumvit is a very long street, beginning at the Ploenchit shopping center and Skytrain station. Side streets (soi) have ascending numbers as you head east. Odds are on the north side, evens on the south. Anywhere around Nana or Asoke BTS stations is right at the heart of the action. You certainly can stay elsewhere, but it's best to be near a BTS Skytrain station. Most hotels are visitor-friendly, especially if you book a double room. Unless you have some sort of ego problem, there's no need to stay in an expensive chain. There are thousands of perfectly fine rooms by western standards, for less than 40 dollars. Save your money for the important stuff.
Get around: Use Google Maps and download maps before leaving home to save data charges. Traffic is horrible. BTS Skytrain and MRT Subway are your friends. They are cheap and easy to navigate. Ticket machines support English. On the ground, you can hail a moving taxi or use the Grab taxi app. Any parked taxi is probably going to run the "meter broken" fare scam on you. Tuk-tuks are an option, but many drivers will try to pressure you into gem and souvenir shops. Motorcycle taxis are cheap and good if you have a death wish. Importantly, lower Sukhumvit is entirely walkable -- only five or ten minutes between BTS stations.
Food and drink: Western-style food is widely available in bars. Thai food is everywhere, naturally. Street carts are much safer than you'd think (ingredients are very fresh) but you might need a temporary girlfriend to help you make a purchase, as there won't be any English menus. Thai beers are mostly of the "cheap yellow" variety -- only a few bars have craft beers. Distilled spirits may be counterfeit. Wine is not a Thai thing. Best not to drink the Thai whiskey.
Where to find bar girls: There are three primary "entertainment" centers with go-go bars, where you typically are expected to buy one drink but not pay a cover charge. Two are in lower Sukhumvit. Soi Cowboy is a block north of the Sukhumvit-Asoke intersection and has the most neon. Nana Entertainment Plaza is on Soi 4, just south of Sukhumvit, and has a large covered courtyard surrounded by go-go bars. The third center is Patpong, which is north of Silom street near the Sala Daeng BTS station. Patpong is notorious for ping-pong shows and for second-floor bars being clip joints, so beware. "Beer bars," which will not have performing girls, are near all three centers. In fact, lower Sukhumvit has hundreds of them. Sit down, order a drink, and the very friendly girls will find you. Be careful with buying "lady drinks," as the charges can add up quickly. To take a girl from a bar, you'll have to pay a "barfine" of 400-500 baht in addition to whatever the girl charges.
Where to find freelancers: In addition to bar girls, there are thousands of freelancers operating in Bangkok, concentrated in lower Sukhumvit. Even in the daytime there will be dozens along the north side of Sukhumvit between Soi 3 and Soi 11. Street freelancers are cheaper than bar girls (and there's no barfine), but there may be greater risks. There also are several bars popular with freelancers. Thermae, in the basement under Ruamchitt Hotel, is packed each night with beautiful women in their 20's trying to land a free-spending Japanese tourist. Biergarten, on Soi 7, is a daytime and evening pickup spot for MILFs in their 30's and 40's. After closing time, dozens of illegal pop-up bars (basically a cooler full of beer) materialize on the north side of Sukhumvit and side streets such as Soi 7, and freelancers will drop their prices. To determine whether a girl is a freelancer, make eye contact and smile. A brief conversation will lead to the truth. Don't bother the girls working at the vendor tables.
Massage: There are many both legitimate and sex-oriented massage shops, and it's usually not hard to tell the difference. If in doubt, ask if they provide "special massage," then ask if "boom-boom" or just BJ or HJ is on the menu. You won't offend by asking, and they've heard it all before. "Oily" massage places such as Snow White are straightforward brothels. With a massage parlor, you don't need to go to your hotel (or rent a cheap short-time hotel), but it can be an impersonal quickie experience. Do take the time to get a good legitimate Thai massage while you're in town.
Money: Get to understand what 500 and 1000 baht mean in your home currency, as that will simplify the math. Blowjobs start at 500, sex typically at 1000, but asking prices of 1500-3000 are more common. "Short time" means an hour and one pop. "Long time" means all night (and maybe half of the following day). If you run short of cash, ATMs are everywhere. Note that you'll be charged a fee for each withdrawal, so a few bigger withdrawals are better than lots of small ones.
Communication: English is common and you won't have any trouble communicating with your hotel clerk or most waitstaff. If you run into a girl whose English is poor, don't despair -- basic sex communicating isn't complicated.
Behavior: You're a guest in a military dictatorship that has horrible prisons. Don't be an asshole, don't break the law, don't even THINK about drugs, don't throw trash or cigarette ashes on the ground, don't get into arguments, don't disrespect the king. If you can't follow those basic rules, stay home.
Ladyboys: Pay attention here. If it looks too good to be true, it is. Some ladyboys (katooeys) invest heavily in surgical modifications. Tipoffs include height, voice, Adam's apple, aggressive behavior. If in doubt, ask politely. There are go-go joints and massage parlors specializing in ladyboys, and it should not be hard to tell the difference.
Angels and demons: Anyone who comes up to you with an offer of help, unasked, is probably a mild scammer. And there are many tales of spiked drinks, et cetera. But it's terribly overblown. The truth is that most people are genuinely friendly and Bangkok is probably safer than whereever you're coming from. Take care. The girl you're talking with might be in it just for the money, or even have plans to pick your pocket. On the other hand, she might be someone who finds happiness in making other people happy. Make your choices carefully. This is where it pays to spend some time chatting with girls before heading to your room. Being respectful, kind and considerate are core Buddhist values. If you wander through Nana Entertainment Plaza before the bars are fully open you may be surprised to find girls lining up to pray at a Buddhist shrine. The more girls you treat as angels, the better your chances of finding one.If you are a Newby on your first trip to Thailand and you follow this reports suggestions then you will not go far wrong.
Enjoy,
Hotman.
I have a AIS traveller SIM card from last year last used Feb. 5th 2018 is it still going to be good when I land if top up with min? Or will it be expired. ?any and all info would be appreciated, thanks.I land Dec. 27 or so 2018.
ShinyMewtwo
11-05-18, 23:27
You made a very informative post but did not include where the best place to change foreign currency is. Which money changer is the best? From my own experience it may vary from time to time.
Finding basic info in the forum is hard and I wish ISG had a wiki feature. Since it does not, as a favor to clueless newbies, here is an outline of a few basics you should know before coming to Bangkok.
Most hotels are visitor-friendly, especially if you book a double room.
Ladyboys: Pay attention here. If it looks too good to be true, it is. Some ladyboys (katooeys) invest heavily in surgical modifications. Tipoffs include height, voice, Adam's apple, aggressive behavior. If in doubt, ask politely. There are go-go joints and massage parlors specializing in ladyboys, and it should not be hard to tell the difference.
There are many hotels these days who charge you for a overnight guest. They expect you to be a couple while checking in to qualify if you booked a room for two. Although guests are allowed you will pay a fee. Better to call and check with the oerticular hotel. There are known monger hotels and there are family hotels.
There are ladyboy clubs at Nana Plaza. They may look like girlie bars. Do not be deceived. Better to ask before you enter. On the street it looks like there are lots of ladyboys these days. A point blank question to them will suffice. After just say you are not into ladyboys. If in doubt ask hotel security. They will tell you. Sometimes it is extremely hard to distinguish. I heard even some patpong bars have ladyboys in the line up. No personal experience as I rarely go there.
Why would a female be waiting outside Thermae? The only ones I ever saw were ones smoking, and they would go back in once they were done. I suppose some might be outside near closing time, but I haven't hung around till then in a long time.I stopped in Thermae a couple of nights ago and it was so crowded and hot in there I had to step outside. I saw girls sweating down there, gamely trying to smile and ignore the heat but I am sure several of them chose to go outside for cooler air too. There were many potential customers outside that night, same as me.
Faconnable808
11-06-18, 05:27
I land Dec. 27 or so 2018.I topped up my AIS SIM at BKK last May. Had not used since October 2017. They said at first I had to get a new one, but ended up taking a few extra minutes on the computer to reactivate it. I think they expire after 365 days of no activity.
I stopped in Thermae a couple of nights ago and it was so crowded and hot in there I had to step outside. I saw girls sweating down there, gamely trying to smile and ignore the heat but I am sure several of them chose to go outside for cooler air too. There were many potential customers outside that night, same as me.Sounds like Saturday night. It was brutal. Girls were going in and out.
Many times I have to go stand in the corner near the stairs to the Hong Nam, there is an AC vent that blows there. Once I am too hot and sweaty, I lose interest in the pooyang.
You will save a lot of money if you follow Crypton's advice about paying no more than 1000 baht, since no one will go with you. If you read this thread, the going rate is 2500 baht (maybe 2000 if she is not that attractive and / or desperate).Oh wow! I stand corrected. I was citing my experiences from the 2000's. Did not realize the prices have gone up so much!! Basically doubled.
Robert Long
11-06-18, 06:29
You made a very informative post but did not include where the best place to change foreign currency is. Which money changer is the best? From my own experience it may vary from time to time.The best I have seen is either Vasu near Soi 7/1 or the top of the escalator to Asok BTS. Vasu insists on a copy of your PP. All others I have been to will accept your drivers license. The ones at the airport like everything at the airport is not fair and expensive.
RL.
Banana Boi
11-06-18, 06:33
I stopped in Thermae a couple of nights ago and it was so crowded and hot in there I had to step outside. I saw girls sweating down there, gamely trying to smile and ignore the heat but I am sure several of them chose to go outside for cooler air too. There were many potential customers outside that night, same as me.Was the AC broken? Usually quite comfortable in Thermae. Neither hot nor cold.
I miss the old days when they had the street carts right outside Thermae. All the girls would eat Thai food there. That's where I picked up my first Thermae girl. Saw her inside and she smiled at me as she walked out with her friend. I thought I missed out. Kicked myself for 30 seconds before I decided to chase her. Glad I did. Found her ordering Thai food and she asked me to join her even offering to pay for my food. Remains my buddy to this day.
Yes! And it's so easy to fall for a woman who dotes on your every word, who fetches your drinks and rubs your back and really puts her heart and soul into making you happy. Next week she may be doing the same thing with someone else. Many people might say that means she's a bad person. Perhaps the truth is the opposite. Sisters of mercy, as Leonard Cohen called them. Whether such a person is a good choice for a long-term relationship may turn as much on your outlook as on hers.
This doting can pander to a guy's ego, if he is not experienced enough to know its likely somewhat bullshit. E. g. He had one wife all his life. We all know a girl can switch on the charm temporarily, and some guys fall in love via their dick of course. Never been raped so great in all their lives. After several years, you start to know the real girl just a little, but still character aspects well hidden.
My GF was not a the doting type although probably put on her good face when we first met. Later tried hard to get rid of me with various bad behaviour as she never intended it to be permanent. Did not really look after me good enough sexually for a few years too. Yet somehow I still liked her. Maybe because saw some aspects of the real girl. For first year, never had an argument with GF. That was bliss. Of course could not last forever.
I am classified as "jai dee" (good hearted) or "jai gwang" (broad hearted), but this is a negative trait. Means I cannot be trusted with other women. Too nice to too many! It is pretty much same as "jao chuu" a guy who philanders with multiple women.
Strangely Thai girls hook a young Thai boy, then get pregnant, have a baby, and he just moves on to the next girl still with no baby, often during the pregnancy. So young Thai girls seem to be equally stupid. Wreck their bodies and get left with baby to support, for what?
Any successful requires both parties to be making an effort the other half's life to be fun and improved. Sadly not many Thai girls subscribe to this. Accept me as I am! Selfish, unwilling to consider they might be at fault. Stubborn.
The best I have seen is either Vasu near Soi 7/1 or the top of the escalator to Asok BTS.I guess you mean Superrich at Asok BTS station?
I have a AIS traveller SIM card from last year last used Feb. 5th 2018 is it still going to be good when I land if top up with min? Or will it be expired. ?any and all info would be appreciated, thanks.It will most likely be expired. Unless maybe when you had something like 500 baht remaining balance when you left Thailand in February.
Get around: Use Google Maps and download maps before leaving home to save data charges.Or buy a local sim card with a data plan at the airport on arrival. Usually much cheaper.
Other than that: good basics for the newbs!
Christian G
11-06-18, 09:51
The ones at the airport like everything at the airport is not fair and expensive.
RL.If you need to exchange money at the airport just go down to the Floor be, next to the rail link ticket machine there is several exchange booths like superrich, value+, etc with a very good exchange rate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI3X_rU6vCs
You made a very informative post but did not include where the best place to change foreign currency is. Which money changer is the best? From my own experience it may vary from time to time.I've had the best luck using the super rich on ratchamadri. If you set up a ride with nam taxi and mention stopping by this super rich she will allow payment to wait until you stop at super rich. 90% of the time this is the best rate. If your exchanging a large sum and using 100 dollar Bill's you can even request a slightly better rate. It don't seem like much difference but when exchanging 5 k usd it's a big multiplier.
P.S. Nam is a female taxi that is very courteous and safe. I've heard from some of nam not allowing them to do this. She always allows me to skip paying at airport. May be me repeated patronage. This allows a little more saving. Also a exchange rate site on internet that gives up to date exchange rates. I watch it pretty close and most of the time that super rich is the best.
Was the AC broken? Usually quite comfortable in Thermae. Neither hot nor cold.
My experience too. But that time it was relatively cool outside but stifling inside. Maybe they did not have it set low enough on the assumption that since it was not hot outside there was no need to make it very cold inside.
Patpong was buzzing last night. Kings Castle was full with Asians and had a very nice lineup. Most of the men were smoking. Lady drink was 200 baht and bar fine was 700. Very pretty girl asked for 3500 for short time. All the girls wearing flesh coloured tights on their legs. Super Star had a fair line up and I grabbed the most attractive one. She was an agency girl would not bar fine. Good live music at the outdoor bar on the corner but all seats were taken. The Strip was dismal with grade "see" girls.
I walked down Soi Thanya and was surprised. Literally, scores of girls sitting outside the Japanese bars. Over a hundred girls at least with a mama san or papa asking if you are interested. I sat down and chatted with one group. They wanted 1,000 bar fine and 2500 to 3500 for short time. It appeared to be very negotiable as there were no customers. Younger, maybe 23 to 26 dressed in street clothes. Nice to chat with but very little or no English spoken so you you need your Thai or google translator.
I can not find anything online about the small bar area near Taksin BTS. Are they still there and where are they?
Was the AC broken? Usually quite comfortable in Thermae. Neither hot nor cold.
The weather has started to turn cooler in the evenings (a little bit). Maybe some idiot thought the aircon was not needed since not enough drinks were being sold.
I've had the best luck using the super rich on ratchamadri. If you set up a ride with nam taxi and mention stopping by this super rich she will allow payment to wait until you stop at super rich. 90% of the time this is the best rate. If your exchanging a large sum and using 100 dollar Bill's you can even request a slightly better rate. It don't seem like much difference but when exchanging 5 k usd it's a big multiplier.
P.S. Nam is a female taxi that is very courteous and safe. I've heard from some of nam not allowing them to do this. She always allows me to skip paying at airport. May be me repeated patronage. This allows a little more saving. Also a exchange rate site on internet that gives up to date exchange rates. I watch it pretty close and most of the time that super rich is the best.This is a limo service right? I mean normal taxis are always paid at the end. So at first I found this statement rather confusing "She always allows me to skip paying at airport". Had to guess what that was meaning. What do you pay for Nam's service?
Robert Long
11-07-18, 07:03
If you need to exchange money at the airport just go down to the Floor be, next to the rail link ticket machine there is several exchange booths like superrich, value+, etc with a very good exchange rate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI3X_rU6vCsGood to know. Thank you.
My experience too. But that time it was relatively cool outside but stifling inside. Maybe they did not have it set low enough on the assumption that since it was not hot outside there was no need to make it very cold inside.Maybe its me but I always think its a sweat box with all those hot steaming bodies.
This is a limo service right? I mean normal taxis are always paid at the end. So at first I found this statement rather confusing "She always allows me to skip paying at airport". Had to guess what that was meaning. What do you pay for Nam's service?I've never paid Nam's drivers at the airport (I've never used her service in the direction of the airport).
Pay at the destination always, never in advance (like many board members recommend for other services too).
Christian G
11-07-18, 11:48
This is a limo service right? I mean normal taxis are always paid at the end. So at first I found this statement rather confusing "She always allows me to skip paying at airport". Had to guess what that was meaning. What do you pay for Nam's service?
I've never paid Nam's drivers at the airport (I've never used her service in the direction of the airport).
Pay at the destination always, never in advance (like many board members recommend for other services too).I used Nam's service several time, from Airports (both BKK and DMK) to Pattaya and viceversa, always booked by email and always paid at destination. Drivers were always on time.
Eszpresszo
11-07-18, 14:29
If you need to exchange money at the airport just go down to the Floor be, next to the rail link ticket machine there is several exchange booths like superrich, value+, etc with a very good exchange rate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI3X_rU6vCsYes, the Superrich especially has a good reputation for the best rate, and do conversions in other currencies besides Baht. I stood behind an Aussie guy with his Vietnamese wife about to catch a connecting flight to VN. Apparently it was advantageous enough of a rate for them to clear customs and visit the Superrich counter to convert Aussie $ to US bucks. Yes, that's right. USD is the default currency of Vietnam and apparently he couldn't get a better rate back in Australia. That was one of the big surprises of my visit, fresh off the plane.
TigressWanted
11-07-18, 18:37
A few hours ago Billboard posted a pic of one of their best on their Twitter feed. They call her Miss Donut. They don't often feature their hottest women there, IMO, my personal faves anyway, nowhere to be seen except at the club.
I used Nam's service several time, from Airports (both BKK and DMK) to Pattaya and viceversa, always booked by email and always paid at destination. Drivers were always on time.I too have used Nams and payment at drop off not on pick up.
JakeBrown6661
11-07-18, 23:42
Hi guys,
Landing for the first time in BKK this week. Will be around to check out the city for the weekend. Will post about my escapades on my flight back. I have read through the forum and thank you all for your valuable inputs. Have an idea of where to head and what to expect. I had 2 questions. 1) First night I'll be heading out of my hotel around 11 pm (close to Nana BTS). Only thing on my agenda is picking up a chick and bringing her back to my hotel for ST. Where should I head? Thermae? Nana Plaza? Sois for freelancers? Smooci? Beer bars? 2) Any places with fish bowls like Pattaya or Bali?
Thanks for the help!
This is a limo service right? I mean normal taxis are always paid at the end. So at first I found this statement rather confusing "She always allows me to skip paying at airport". Had to guess what that was meaning. What do you pay for Nam's service?It's not a limo service. I attached a pic of the prices I paid on my last trip. Sorry for the confusion! I may of had wrong information passed on to me. Why do people recommend exchanging money at airport for taxi? Seems like it would be recommended to stop by a better exchange place. I thought I found a nice loophole and it is the norm. I tried to find the post where the guy was saying that he had to pay before leaving airport but was unsuccessful. May of been on another site I follow.
It's not a limo service. I attached a pic of the prices I paid on my last trip. Sorry for the confusion! I may of had wrong information passed on to me. Why do people recommend exchanging money at airport for taxi? Seems like it would be recommended to stop by a better exchange place. I thought I found a nice loophole and it is the norm. I tried to find the post where the guy was saying that he had to pay before leaving airport but was unsuccessful. May of been on another site I follow.Sure most of us collect money at airport to pay the taxi, tolls, etc. Because we cannot be bothered to stop off at money exchange somewhere on the way to hotel (we are too impatient). I simply pull from ATM. I have Thai Bank account too. Normal taxi is 300 Baht or so. Less on quiet day.
Last arrival Bangkok on Sunday (quiet) so did not even have to pay any highway tolls getting off motorway early at Ramkhamhaeng and moving to Phetburi road (just before Ekkamai).
Actually I hardly ever do money exchange but found recently at a large shopping centre in Srinakarin "Seacon" the money exchange booth had a tiny difference between buy and sell rates for Euros and no change fee, so I was happy. It seems they make a very low amount per exchange. Yes I agree the airport exchange appears to have significantly more gap between buy and sell rates and often have an exchange fee as well. I got a really shit offer for some Indonesian left over notes recently. Not an expert on this topic because do it so rarely.
So yes I probably would not be exchanging a large amount at the airport like to receive 100 K baht. For a small amount exchanged, any small losses could be compensated by taking a cheap taxi.
I do appreciate that up to 50% of Bangkok Taxi drivers are extremely irritating though, with foot pumping up and down on the accelerator or continual alternating between brake and accelerate. I really hate those "formula one" types of driver, but also find drivers habitually in the wrong lane puzzling too. Perhaps I should offer driver a 100 baht tip if he can give a relatively smooth ride without pumping the foot up and down. I suspect it is so habitual though, as to become automatic, they won't be able to stop it.
Hi guys,
Landing for the first time in BKK this week. Will be around to check out the city for the weekend. Will post about my escapades on my flight back. I have read through the forum and thank you all for your valuable inputs. Have an idea of where to head and what to expect. I had 2 questions. 1) First night I'll be heading out of my hotel around 11 pm (close to Nana BTS). Only thing on my agenda is picking up a chick and bringing her back to my hotel for ST. Where should I head? Thermae? Nana Plaza? Sois for freelancers? Smooci? Beer bars? 2) Any places with fish bowls like Pattaya or Bali?
Thanks for the help!We can't tell you what you will like. You don't even say if you like skinny girls or voluptuous, silicone tits OK or not? Etc. You should try a variety. From handle I am going to guess you are a Farang (western guy not Asian). Could be wrong of course.
There are fishbowl soapy massage places, not right where you are and 11 PM is a bit too late for that, 6 PM being much better.
At 11 PM you are faced with trying Gogo bars, or Thermae or street walkers, or disco pickups.
Thermae has a lot of girls but favours Asian guys. I seem to get unlucky there and have not had any recent girls worth repeating. I also don't like how many girls are over dressed so hard to tell what the body is like. That is just me though. Beware of the Ladyboys standing outside Thermae. 11 PM is ideal for Thermae.
Of all the Nana Plaza bars, I think Billboard is the best, but I go for slim model types which they have a lot of. Beware of Ladyboys on the street and in some bars at NP. Do not go in DC10 for example. Butterflies okay.
If you want to see girls dancing naked, Soi cowboy has "5 star" suited to western guys with bad music (not much surgeries in there), and around the corner in Soi 23 is Crazy House with nude girls too. I used to like it, but quality went down hill, and more fake tits arrived. Baccarat in Cowboy is popular but not my sort of place. Doll House could be worth a try.
For cheap girls (not much quality), street walkers on Soi 4 west side in amongst the lady boys. Normally I don't bother with them. Not many good experiences.
Try some massage places next day in the day time or early evening.
A few hours ago Billboard posted a pic of one of their best on their Twitter feed. They call her Miss Donut. They don't often feature their hottest women there, IMO, my personal faves anyway, nowhere to be seen except at the club.Is donut really pretty? Nah, I think not. Not to my taste. Maybe she has a good body (like most of them), I don't know. You must realise that not all of the best girls are willing to be in pics. Sometimes the ugliest girls willing to be photographed. I don't see No. 810 in the pics either, despite looking clearly superior last time I was there. Sorry don't know her name.
"they want to ring your bell" No thanks no for me. They will post photos of the least good looking at times.
JakeBrown6661
11-08-18, 06:01
We can't tell you what you will like. You don't even say if you like skinny girls or voluptuous, silicone tits OK or not? Etc. You should try a variety. From handle I am going to guess you are a Farang (western guy not Asian). Could be wrong of course.
There are fishbowl soapy massage places, not right where you are and 11 PM is a bit too late for that, 6 PM being much better.
At 11 PM you are faced with trying Gogo bars, or Thermae or street walkers, or disco pickups.
Thermae has a lot of girls but favours Asian guys. I seem to get unlucky there and have not had any recent girls worth repeating. I also don't like how many girls are over dressed so hard to tell what the body is like. That is just me though. Beware of the Ladyboys standing outside Thermae. 11 PM is ideal for Thermae.
Of all the Nana Plaza bars, I think Billboard is the best, but I go for slim model types which they have a lot of. Beware of Ladyboys on the street and in some bars at NP. Do not go in DC10 for example. Butterflies okay.Thanks for the informative reply!
As per my preference of girls. I like trying different type of girls based on my mood. Don't have a type. 1 thing I want to cross off my list this visit is an older Thai lady / MILF. So will be on the lookout for those.
I am only there for a short while so will have to properly plan in advance to fit in as many places as possible.
Been reading about Thermae's preference to Asian guys so I'm inclined to avoid it and try one of the Go Go Bars on the first night. I've tried go go bars in Pattaya and found them to be more expensive than freelancers at say a disco, with the quality at par. Will try in Bangkok and see if my opinion changes.
Ralph Kramden
11-08-18, 10:14
We can't tell you what you will like. You don't even say if you like skinny girls or voluptuous, silicone tits OK or not? Etc. You should try a variety. From handle I am going to guess you are a Farang (western guy not Asian). Could be wrong of course.
There are fishbowl soapy massage places, not right where you are and 11 PM is a bit too late for that, 6 PM being much better.
At 11 PM you are faced with trying Gogo bars, or Thermae or street walkers, or disco pickups.
Thermae has a lot of girls but favours Asian guys. I seem to get unlucky there and have not had any recent girls worth repeating. I also don't like how many girls are over dressed so hard to tell what the body is like. That is just me though. Beware of the Ladyboys standing outside Thermae. 11 PM is ideal for Thermae.
Of all the Nana Plaza bars, I think Billboard is the best, but I go for slim model types which they have a lot of. Beware of Ladyboys on the street and in some bars at NP. Do not go in DC10 for example. Butterflies okay.
If you want to see girls dancing naked, Soi cowboy has "5 star" suited to western guys with bad music (not much surgeries in there), and around the corner in Soi 23 is Crazy House with nude girls too. I used to like it, but quality went down hill, and more fake tits arrived. Baccarat in Cowboy is popular but not my sort of place. Doll House could be worth a try.
For cheap girls (not much quality), street walkers on Soi 4 west side in amongst the lady boys. Normally I don't bother with them. Not many good experiences.
Try some massage places next day in the day time or early evening.Syzygies.
Ralph Kramden here. It has been a long time since visiting the board (a girlfriend thing). I tried to message you but you don't accept them. Please tell me briefly, is it true that most all or all of the soapy massage places on Ratchadapisek have been closed down? I read the thread but all the talk is about Snow White. Many thanks.
Syzygies.
Ralph Kramden here. It has been a long time since visiting the board (a girlfriend thing). I tried to message you but you don't accept them. Please tell me briefly, is it true that most all or all of the soapy massage places on Ratchadapisek have been closed down? I read the thread but all the talk is about Snow White. Many thanks.For people I have met and know, I can contact them, so a general PM facility seems quite unnecessary for me. Questions are best asked of the whole forum, then whoever knows, can answer.
I am not using the Ratchada Soapies that much any more, but some still exist, e. G. Poseidon, Emmanuelle, Hi Class, Merci / Maxee, Alaina?, I think Utopia still there, and small places.
As you would probably know, Nataree was the first to go for reasons of Tax Avoidance, and trafficking girls. I was never a fan of it, because of what the girls told me (not in English) about the lack of freedom and the "managers" and because of lack of experience of the newbie girls.
Places I liked, Bangkok Cosy and Cleopatra closed long before that, although neither in Ratchada.
The recent spate of closures has largely been due to use of Artesian (underground) water (which is illegal) as scientists believe it causes Bangkok to sink little by little.
Notable closures: Amsterdam one of the first to go and merged with Emmanuelle whose business was floundering. Amsterdam site redeveloped I guess.
For illegal water use: The Lord, Copacabana, Malibu (maybe no business), Long Beech, Victoria Secret, Ocean (formerly Colonze 4), Annies (Sukumvit Soi 4), etc.
There are probably others closed not coming to mind right now.
La Belle was doing poorly but might be doing better now.
Some newer Soapies have opened: Maria Entertainment looks mainly Thai oriented and other side from Poseidon (I have not even visited yet).
I can't even remember the name of major Soapy used to be opposite Emmanuelle roughly. Was a rip off place for Farangs. I assume it has gone. Had roman columns.
One of my last visits that went well was Meree on Petchburi road. Still a few places on Rama 9 road, not sure which closed in that area.
Was suggested some of the Lord girls moved to Colonze 1 but I never went to look if that was the case. Would be a big change of quality.
I don't find that Soapy girls seem to like Farangs as much as they used to 25 years ago. Maybe they just don't like old Farangs. I really find I need to have girls that really prefer Farangs and as so many Soapy girls seem dick scared and not very GFE these days. Still other Farangs are still doing okay I had a very poor success rate amongst new girls tried, in terms of wanting to repeat. I lost my last favourite in Amsterdam about 4 or 5 years ago who was quite tall and curvy but still slim. I had a better success rate at Annies (only 1 really dud girl), although few girls looked good enough of course. La Belle has been opposite, only Jip I repeated many times till gave her away when service declined (at least 6 years ago). Others tried there were not adequate GFE, or body not good enough.
For sure the dominance of surgeries girls has put me off the whole scene. Last Emmanuelle girl I tried was slim and stunning but crap on the bed. I guess she liked Asian student customers.
Only ever tried one girl at The Lord and was not good enough for the price. After my Amsterdam girl disappeared, I was doing other things for 2 or 3 years (away from Soapies too).
I really believe the overall Soapy girl attitude to Farangs has changed over the years, and my attitude to them has changed too in that I won't pick them if surgeries are too obvious. Maybe Soapy girls are much lazier than they used to be too. I am sure I would change my tune if I could find a really good girl or two at a less than crazy price. It all seemed much better in my early days at Chao Phraya 2. Now seems too much effort to go up to Ratchada.
P.S. Darling closed too. I never liked it at all.
A place to try, I recommend Ida (off Rama 3) . Only went there once and quite a while back, but looked good.
These days there are some MPs on Sukhumvit that offer spa bath and body slide mat, so become like a Soapy except no fishbowl to take your time choosing. That is the drawback.
Natty Bumpo is still enjoying La Belle. So try it. Hopefully surgeries don't bother you too much.
Its years since I visited Plaza, Aqua, Tarawadee, Taragon/TharnThong/Selene, so no clue how these places are doing. meanwhile general standard of girl looks in the Oily massage places has gone downhill, so in general can't recommend. Maybe some O.K. looking girls at Dozo. Don't know if they like Farangs at all. Fluffed out dresses so can't see ass and thighs very well.
Patpong was buzzing last night. Kings Castle was full with Asians and had a very nice lineup. Most of the men were smoking. Lady drink was 200 baht and bar fine was 700. Very pretty girl asked for 3500 for short time. All the girls wearing flesh coloured tights on their legs. Super Star had a fair line up and I grabbed the most attractive one. She was an agency girl would not bar fine. Good live music at the outdoor bar on the corner but all seats were taken. The Strip was dismal with grade "see" girls.
I walked down Soi Thanya and was surprised. Literally, scores of girls sitting outside the Japanese bars. Over a hundred girls at least with a mama san or papa asking if you are interested. I sat down and chatted with one group. They wanted 1,000 bar fine and 2500 to 3500 for short time. It appeared to be very negotiable as there were no customers. Younger, maybe 23 to 26 dressed in street clothes. Nice to chat with but very little or no English spoken so you you need your Thai or google translator.Wait, so you are saying they are quoting 2-3 k for ST + 1 k bar fine even with a low number of customers around? Sheesh how much are they asking for when it's busy? How much for LT? I was about to plan a trip to Thailand to knock if off my bucket list but 3 k + 1 k bar fine (120 US) is way too much for ST when you take in consideration the flight to get there from the states. Please someone tell me you can get ST for less or at least LT for 1-2 k more otherwise I may just head to South America.
Ralph Kramden
11-09-18, 00:25
For people I have met and know, I can contact them, so a general PM facility seems quite unnecessary for me. Questions are best asked of the whole forum, then whoever knows, can answer.
I am not using the Ratchada Soapies that much any more, but some still exist, e. G. Poseidon, Emmanuelle, Hi Class, Merci / Maxee, Alaina?, I think Utopia still there, and small places.
As you would probably know, Nataree was the first to go for reasons of Tax Avoidance, and trafficking girls. I was never a fan of it, because of what the girls told me (not in English) about the lack of freedom and the "managers" and because of lack of experience of the newbie girls.
Places I liked, Bangkok Cosy and Cleopatra closed long before that, although neither in Ratchada.
The recent spate of closures has largely been due to use of Artesian (underground) water (which is illegal) as scientists believe it causes Bangkok to sink little by little.
Notable closures: Amsterdam one of the first to go and merged with Emmanuelle whose business was floundering. Amsterdam site redeveloped I guess.
For illegal water use: The Lord, Copacabana, Malibu (maybe no business), Long Beech, Victoria Secret, Ocean (formerly Colonze 4), Annies (Sukumvit Soi 4), etc.
There are probably others closed not coming to mind right now.
La Belle was doing poorly but might be doing better now.
Some newer Soapies have opened: Maria Entertainment looks mainly Thai oriented and other side from Poseidon (I have not even visited yet).
I can't even remember the name of major Soapy used to be opposite Emmanuelle roughly. Was a rip off place for Farangs. I assume it has gone. Had roman columns.
One of my last visits that went well was Meree on Petchburi road. Still a few places on Rama 9 road, not sure which closed in that area.
Was suggested some of the Lord girls moved to Colonze 1 but I never went to look if that was the case. Would be a big change of quality.
I don't find that Soapy girls seem to like Farangs as much as they used to 25 years ago. Maybe they just don't like old Farangs. I really find I need to have girls that really prefer Farangs and as so many Soapy girls seem dick scared and not very GFE these days. Still other Farangs are still doing okay I had a very poor success rate amongst new girls tried, in terms of wanting to repeat. I lost my last favourite in Amsterdam about 4 or 5 years ago who was quite tall and curvy but still slim. I had a better success rate at Annies (only 1 really dud girl), although few girls looked good enough of course. La Belle has been opposite, only Jip I repeated many times till gave her away when service declined (at least 6 years ago). Others tried there were not adequate GFE, or body not good enough.
For sure the dominance of surgeries girls has put me off the whole scene. Last Emmanuelle girl I tried was slim and stunning but crap on the bed. I guess she liked Asian student customers.
Only ever tried one girl at The Lord and was not good enough for the price. After my Amsterdam girl disappeared, I was doing other things for 2 or 3 years (away from Soapies too).
I really believe the overall Soapy girl attitude to Farangs has changed over the years, and my attitude to them has changed too in that I won't pick them if surgeries are too obvious. Maybe Soapy girls are much lazier than they used to be too. I am sure I would change my tune if I could find a really good girl or two at a less than crazy price. It all seemed much better in my early days at Chao Phraya 2. Now seems too much effort to go up to Ratchada.
P.S. Darling closed too. I never liked it at all.
A place to try, I recommend Ida (off Rama 3) . Only went there once and quite a while back, but looked good.
These days there are some MPs on Sukhumvit that offer spa bath and body slide mat, so become like a Soapy except no fishbowl to take your time choosing. That is the drawback.
Natty Bumpo is still enjoying La Belle. So try it. Hopefully surgeries don't bother you too much.
Its years since I visited Plaza, Aqua, Tarawadee, Taragon/TharnThong/Selene, so no clue how these places are doing. meanwhile general standard of girl looks in the Oily massage places has gone downhill, so in general can't recommend. Maybe some O.K. looking girls at Dozo. Don't know if they like Farangs at all. Fluffed out dresses so can't see ass and thighs very well.Many thanks Syzygies for your detailed report. Excellent as always. I will be sure to file my own after my visit in late December.
Patpong was buzzing last night. Kings Castle was full with Asians and had a very nice lineup. Most of the men were smoking. Lady drink was 200 baht and bar fine was 700. Very pretty girl asked for 3500 for short time. All the girls wearing flesh coloured tights on their legs. Super Star had a fair line up and I grabbed the most attractive one. She was an agency girl would not bar fine. Good live music at the outdoor bar on the corner but all seats were taken. The Strip was dismal with grade "see" girls.
I walked down Soi Thanya and was surprised. Literally, scores of girls sitting outside the Japanese bars. Over a hundred girls at least with a mama san or papa asking if you are interested. I sat down and chatted with one group. They wanted 1,000 bar fine and 2500 to 3500 for short time. It appeared to be very negotiable as there were no customers. Younger, maybe 23 to 26 dressed in street clothes. Nice to chat with but very little or no English spoken so you you need your Thai or google translator.They mostly cater to the Japanese and a few Koreans since they are willing to pay more. I was there a couple of months ago and spoke to one girl that I was interested in. She quoted 1000 BHT bar fine and 3500 BHT for short time. Cute girl but, I wasn't feeling her vibe. Kinda attitudish and snobby. I can speak some Thai and heard one of them whispering to ask for more. I declined and walked off only to have the mamasan grab my arm. I was totally turned off. Waaaay too many options in Bangkok. Oh well.
Hi guys,...Landing for the first time in BKK this week. Will be around to check out the city for the weekend. Will post about my escapades on my flight back. I have read through the forum and thank you all for your valuable inputs. Have an idea of where to head and what to expect. I had 2 questions. 1) First night I'll be heading out of my hotel around 11 pm (close to Nana BTS). Only thing on my agenda is picking up a chick and bringing her back to my hotel for ST. Where should I head? Thermae? Nana Plaza? Sois for freelancers? Smooci? Beer bars? 2) Any places with fish bowls like Pattaya or Bali?I hope you know to take the Bangkok Airport Rail Link to the city.
From your hotel in Nana area, you are quite literally in the belly of the beast. Make things easy and start at the Nana Plaza gg's, they will be at full throttle and likely you'll find something of interest.
Christian G
11-09-18, 11:51
Wait, so you are saying they are quoting 2-3 k for ST + 1 k bar fine even with a low number of customers around? Sheesh how much are they asking for when it's busy? How much for LT? I was about to plan a trip to Thailand to knock if off my bucket list but 3 k + 1 k bar fine (120 US) is way too much for ST when you take in consideration the flight to get there from the states. Please someone tell me you can get ST for less If you had read the forum a bit you would have noticed that there are many places and choices for ST in Bangkok cheaper than gogo bars. Freelancers (online, bars, street walkers), BJ Bars, beer bars, massage shops, etc all these places are usually cheaper than gogo bars. Also in Pattaya you have many cheap ST options.
3 k + 1 k bar fine (120 US) is way too much for ST when you take in consideration the flight to get there from the states.Yes I am sure there are plenty of cheep hot young hookers in the USA. LOL It is far too far to fly here, right, yet plenty come. The price of the flight from USA has not been factored in. It's an awful long way to come just for a fuck or two. Maybe should not be a bucket list item. You can get damaged girls on the street for 1000 Baht for 30 mins or less. Mostly I don't take them. Cheapness is not everything.
Yes I am sure there are plenty of cheep hot young hookers in the USA. LOL It is far too far to fly here, right, yet plenty come. The price of the flight from USA has not been factored in. It's an awful long way to come just for a fuck or two. Maybe should not be a bucket list item. You can get damaged girls on the street for 1000 Baht for 30 mins or less. Mostly I don't take them. Cheapness is not everything.Why are you LOL'ing? Who said anything about staying in the US. It costs $300 to fly to South America. You can get sex there for under $100 too. I'm just posting a simple question comparing the prices to fly to various places and could do without the smart alek replies. It's perfectly understandable for someone to ask if they have $3 k to spend on a sex vacation, where to make the most of it.
You can get damaged girls on the street for 1000 Baht for 30 mins or less. Mostly I don't take them. Cheapness is not everything.Yeah, but think about it. Some of those 'damaged girls' can outperform quite a few of the hot ones!.
Yeah, but think about it. Some of those 'damaged girls' can outperform quite a few of the hot ones!.Yet to meet them! Most are crappy. The odd one performs okay but still looks ugly. Most want a "quickie". Maybe Pin will be a good choice for me, since I was satisfied having had a good time when she worked at Boss Massage.
I want fun rather than just meat.
Etaoin2003
11-09-18, 16:22
First night I'll be heading out of my hotel around 11 pm (close to Nana BTS). Only thing on my agenda is picking up a chick and bringing her back to my hotel for ST. Where should I head? Thermae? Nana Plaza? Sois for freelancers? Smooci? Beer bars?You might not even make it past your hotel lobby. 11 pm is a very good time to hit the streets. Where you should go depends on your tastes. Personally I like them a little more experienced and I care a lot about personality, so I like Biergarten and have no use for Nana Plaza, but YMMV.
The thing that amazes me is these creepy soi guys flashing cards with naked women and offering to hook me up for a good time WHEN MY GOD I AM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CANDY STORE. I think I can figure it out, fellas.
Hey guys, I am staying the the Marriott near Sukhamvit in Bangkok. Looking for some fun in the evening post 8 pm. Any references suggestions will be helpful and much appreciated. Thanks a lot. Anyone who needs help in Delhi can contact me.
Steve 9696
11-10-18, 02:27
Why are you LOL'ing? Who said anything about staying in the US. It costs $300 to fly to South America. You can get sex there for under $100 too. I'm just posting a simple question comparing the prices to fly to various places and could do without the smart alek replies. It's perfectly understandable for someone to ask if they have $3 k to spend on a sex vacation, where to make the most of it.Here is my opinion, having done most popular worldwide venues. Go to Thailand for the spectacle of it all. Soi Cowboy and Nana are experiences like no other. Just a crazy number of bars and girls and lights. It is really something.
But do not go there for quality GFE. (And here I mean the illusion of a GF, not just the acts themselves). Yes, you can find the gems, like anywhere, but as this forum attests YMMV is an understatement — you might have to go through quite a few to find quality GFE. Or you might get lucky. Who knows.
In SA I am only familiar with Brazil, but you can get quality GFE at that $120 price point for sure at many different venues. Or a very solid half hour suck and fuck with a hot girl (BBBJ and DFK — but no GFE illusion) for $30.
For the $$$ I think it is no contest — Brazil is best place I've ever been. But I do recommend Thailand for the spectacle and a really fun time. Do both and form your own impressions.
Why are you LOL'ing? Who said anything about staying in the US. It costs $300 to fly to South America. Apologies for the sarcasm, but being in the USA sucks for sex, right? And you really have to fly out to get some sex. My homeland is also terrible (for local hookers) except for the Asian girls available. If you like south American girls, you are made.
Yes you have do a sex holiday calculation and factor time and cost of flights into number of girls fucked. Some guys fly to Europe for sex tour. Less for flights but girls cost more. Maybe they like European girls better. Some even fly half way around the globe to get here. Hard to understand why. However it can be worth it if do 100 fucks. However you have to know already how much you will like Asian girls of the region. I have never been to Philippeans or Vietnam. At one time intended to try Philippeans (so long ago), but accidentally picked up a Thai GF at the time.
I don't travel far just for sex. Decided it is not worth it for short duration stays. Thailand just happens to be on the way to almost everywhere for me. Perfectly suited stop off point.
For some of us, Brazil is too far, otherwise would use it. So really in your case, a trip here cannot be justified unless you already know you love Thai girls just too much. I believe that south American girls are the most reliable in the world for a good time. Very few failures. 20 years ago I might have claimed Thai girls were very reliable as well, but not any more.
It is worth noting that Cambodian girls should be a lot cheaper than Thai girls, probably Lao and Myanmar girls also cheaper (poorer countries), while Singapore and Macau girls are more expensive. The poorer the country, the better for your economic advantage. Consider Africa too. Girls could be incredibly cheap there, but more risky for disease.
Eszpresszo
11-10-18, 03:14
Wait, so you are saying they are quoting 2-3 k for ST + 1 k bar fine even with a low number of customers around? Sheesh how much are they asking for when it's busy? How much for LT? I was about to plan a trip to Thailand to knock if off my bucket list but 3 k + 1 k bar fine (120 US) is way too much for ST when you take in consideration the flight to get there from the states. Please someone tell me you can get ST for less or at least LT for 1-2 k more otherwise I may just head to South America.1000 Baht got me some good ST experiences. People have found it for less on Beach Road in Pattaya. The whole thing involving Go-Gos oriented towards foreigners is a different matter. You are entering a business model designed to lighten the wallets of those who are dying to spend money. If you avoid that route, you still have other options in Thailand. Low budget options exist and there has never been any proof that paying more gets you a better experience, anywhere. I have found it to be largely inverse to performance. I have picked up gorgeous providers off the street in Pattaya and Bogota for little money and I never wondered if I missed out by not paying more.
The same costly setup of GoGos can exist in Latin America, as well. I was in Bogota over the Labor Day weekend, and its a great place if like cheap sex with hot Latinas of all complexions. But, go into the strip clubs, and order a mixed drink and you've just bought a bottle of liquor and some pop. Not cheap. You can also be required to buy girls drinks to get them to sit down with you. And yes, they will take you to the back rooms for much more than girls in the casas or on the streets, but give you a very short time experience by most accounts. Can't say from experience, as I prefer to troll the streets for those cheap Diamonds in the Rough (which aren't so rare there). All said, I found Colombia to be a mediocre destination when it comes to overall performance. The Dominican Republic? Don't get me started. I'm 90% sure I will hit Brazil next year. But, I've found some excellent and cute young providers in Asia, particularly in the dirt cheap X-houses of South Sanur, Bali. Those little brown fucking machines punched all the right buttons for something like $20 USD.
If you live in North America, its obviously faster and generally cheaper to hit Latin America, but there can be exceptions based on your location. If you are Australian, Latin America will be a long, expensive plane ride (similar to going from Dallas to Bali). Your geographical location will be a factor. So will the exchange rate to your native currency. In some parts of North America, travel to Asia will be cheaper than travel to Latin America. But, if you are a serious monger, you need to try as much as you can. Maybe try Europe if you can afford it, though Western Europe is not a good value on any level. I'll do Africa someday, just for the hell of it. Some white mongers thinks its the best. In the end, if time and money are issues, just go to what offers you the best value for the moment and don't be afraid to try something new. Find what works well in your schedule and budget and go for it.
Crazy4Thai
11-10-18, 06:38
Why are you LOL'ing? Who said anything about staying in the US. It costs $300 to fly to South America. You can get sex there for under $100 too. I'm just posting a simple question comparing the prices to fly to various places and could do without the smart alek replies. It's perfectly understandable for someone to ask if they have $3 k to spend on a sex vacation, where to make the most of it.Good reply! Don't take that shit. I mean no offense to anyone when I give you my take on Syzygies. He is a prolific poster and contributes good intel from time to time. He intends to be helpful and sometimes that is served with a big side of judgement. He often declares his "spec". It seems pretty rigid to me. Only model quality with a perfect natural nose, and on and on and on. I believe his views on "the hunt" are also narrowly defined. In short he seems like a "my way or the LOL way" if you get my meaning. Beyond that you are getting some excellent input from other members here.
Apologies for the sarcasm, but being in the USA sucks for sex, right?It is much more expensive but the sex can be quite good, and there are more variety. It is easier to have a conversation. You can also find college students on weekend and that can be a lot of fun.
But the best sex of my 8 nights recently was 2 ladies from Billboard, separate nights. I sucked up to the mamasan and she delivered for me huge both times. Worth every penny, plus the atmosphere is great, I like doing shots with scantily clad women. Even got a dinner date with one of them, much better than eating alone.How did you suck up to the mamasan? Tipping (how much) or lady drinks? Or just telling her sweet nothings? .
In BKK for vacation with non mongering friends so got into BKK in the AM and they were not arriving till midnight. I had chatted up with Thai friendly Wachurita I think was her name some fun as soon as I got to my hotel. I checked in Thai friendly girl Machurita made some excuse that she could not come now. So I jumped on the BTS to the Tulip, Got Golf by pure luck. Pretty lady not stick skinny but nice body good personality. Upstairs started with shower as usual, than onto some very good head game for about 10-15 attention to the boys and then she lifted up my legs went to town with her tongue in my star fish and It seemed like she was digging for diamonds with her tongue until I couldn't hold it any more CIMWS. Massage followed surprisingly very good. Then she grabbed condom got on top for a little asian cow girl. Then she bent over and grabbed my "friend" and I thought she was just going to put it back in, but nope straight into the backdoor didn't even have to ask. Did some very hard smashing for second shot. Still had some time left so back to head game trying to see if it could happen. But I couldn't. Not bad for being in BKK for less than 2 hrs. Took BTS back to the hotel.
Grabbed some lunch and it was around 4 pm walked to Soi 11 and into [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) sat down grabbed a beer. I picked "Ma" 20 yo pretty round face Thai girl good smile. Upstairs she was good and kept trying to deep throat but I have above average thickness and length so A for effort. Teeth sometimes but nothing bad. She got the job done and off I went to catch my next beautiful butterfly. In the mean time the Thai friendly girl and messaged me that she was free now and if we still wanted to meet. I said why not but only if I could have some A level that she said she didn't do. She did't hesitate and said yes. Figured she would take more than an HR to get here and I had ample time to relax and chill at my place. She still said no CIM.
When she showed she was much better looking than her pics really skinny she said she was 41 kg today. Pretty face and had a good attitude and smiled a lot and even joked around some. We sat on the couch and touchy feely some she kept getting on top of me with clothes and humping me. She had gotten a mid back tat the day before and we talked about that. I literally picked her up and brought her to the bedroom. She really liked that and had huge smile in her face. She took my pants of and got scared from the size. We jumped in the shower. And she kept looking at it and smiling at it. Out of the shower and into the bed. BJ was very good deep ish but good technique. For about 20 m, condom on CG, mish, doggy, she likes hard fast doggy very much she also kept saying that she wanted her arms pulled back when in doggy. Who am I to deny her that. She came to the point that she wouldn't let me touch her for about 5 minutes. After she caught her breath she said "no you boom boom my ass" made me chuckle a bit. Grabbed lots of lubed. And started with mish I was fully in in less than 1 minute she looked a bit uncomfortable at first but after 2 minutes it was not an issue did mish then ACG then doggy again with me pulling her arms back. Some very hard and fast doggy until I was almost ready she told me to take it out and leave the condom half way in half way out to minimize the possible mess. When I finished I did all over her new tattoo. Yeah that was not planned but it happens. I helped her clean up and she took a shower and we talked for about 1-2 hrs about normal things. She ended up leaving around 9 maybe 10. I am glad I got to see her and not just another lost connection from Thai friendly.
Well my non mongering friend messaged me and said their flight coming in was dealt for 3 hrs so they don't come in till 3 am.
I was going to just go to bed but I figured I would people watch in SUkum street. It was around 11:30 I think was was just walking when this pretty skinny black girl came up to me. I am usually skeptical about these as everyone should. But her sat down on some chair in the sidewalk and chatted for about 30 minutes then she offered some head action for 500 BHT. Hey why not. If it's bad it's only 500 and I that actually all I had on me. So it worked out. Went around the corner to some side street, kinda sketch and upstairs and into a semi dirty room. Sat down in some couch and she took wipes to clean and let me tell she really likes doing her job. I am super skeptical about african girl because they are afraid of putting it in their mouth or something, I don't know. This one did not super sloppy deep, hands. Attention to the boys. I knew I wasn't going to finish and she proved me wrong. CIM. I wish I had gotten her name and number.
Got back to the hotel room around 2 am.
First day done! Now to do some tourist thing with my friends the next few days.
Good reply! Don't take that shit. I mean no offense to anyone when I give you my take on Syzygies. He is a prolific poster and contributes good intel from time to time. He intends to be helpful and sometimes that is served with a big side of judgement. He often declares his "spec". It seems pretty rigid to me. Only model quality with a perfect natural nose, and on and on and on. I believe his views on "the hunt" are also narrowly defined. In short he seems like a "my way or the LOL way" if you get my meaning. Beyond that you are getting some excellent input from other members here.Yes he can provide good intel but very finicky. Unusual for a man to be so fussy about noses, etc.
Eszpresszo
11-10-18, 14:57
Yes I am sure there are plenty of cheep hot young hookers in the USA. LOL It is far too far to fly here, right, yet plenty come. The price of the flight from USA has not been factored in. It's an awful long way to come just for a fuck or two. Maybe should not be a bucket list item. You can get damaged girls on the street for 1000 Baht for 30 mins or less. Mostly I don't take them. Cheapness is not everything.Damaged girls? What are you talking about? I've had some perfectly nice girls off Beach Rd and on Soi 6 in Pattaya for 1000 baht or less. This young lady was 800. So, what's your minimum price for cute Lao girls?
You might not even make it past your hotel lobby. 11 pm is a very good time to hit the streets. Where you should go depends on your tastes. Personally I like them a little more experienced and I care a lot about personality, so I like Biergarten and have no use for Nana Plaza, but YMMV.
The thing that amazes me is these creepy soi guys flashing cards with naked women and offering to hook me up for a good time WHEN MY GOD I AM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CANDY STORE. I think I can figure it out, fellas.I like to go to Hillary 2 in Soi 4, a lot of awesome freelancer waiting for farang, and a milfs a lot. I like the MILFs between 35 and 40. Last time a good ST experience with Amy, 36 yrs. And for this age a perfect body. She's often there after 11 pm. See her again f few days later. She's fucking hot. Highly recommended.
Captain Solo
11-10-18, 23:39
To Zhag.
That's a lot of sex for the first night. Are you an Energizer bunny? Hehe.
Is the Thaifriendly girl a civie? Was she hot? A local friend suggested that I try dating services and date a couple girls for sight seeing in the day time and hot sex at night. What a fabulous idea as long as the girls are hot and not scam artists. Which are a few good Thai dating sites?
Last time I was in BKK, staying at a hotel on Soi 13 or something, a hotel guy told me he could take me to many casas where locals go for nice, fresh girls before they get old and hardened by the sex trade in BKK and hooked on drugs. I have a few distant relatives in BKK and Pattaya, but they always play the perfect, virtuous husbands and fathers, so forget about finding girls with them. Perhaps I should contact a few reputable ISG bros to arrange meet ups before I go.
It's very nice that you have been going to different countries all over the world for sex recently. In the future, consider taking vacations only with your monger friends to maximize the use of time and the fun sharing the pleasures with sex-minded companies.
Glad you had such a good sexy time. Thanks for the report.
In BKK for vacation with non mongering friends so got into BKK in the AM and they were not arriving till midnight. I had chatted up with Thai friendly Wachurita I think was her name some fun as soon as I got to my hotel. I checked in Thai friendly girl Machurita made some excuse that she could not come now. So I jumped on the BTS to the Tulip, Got Golf by pure luck. Pretty lady not.
Grabbed some lunch and it was around 4 pm walked to Soi 11 and into sat down grabbed a beer. I picked "Ma" 20 yo pretty round face Thai girl good smile. She still said no CIM.
When she showed she was much better looking than her pics really skinny she said she was 41 kg today. Pretty face and had a good attitude and smiled a lot and even joked around some. We sat on the couch and touchy feel some she kept getting on top of me with clothes and humping me. She had gotten a mid back tat the day before and we talked about that. I literally picked her.
Well my non mongering friend messaged me and said their flight coming in was dealt for 3 hrs so they don't come in till 3 am.
I was going to just go to bed but I figured I would people watch in SUkum street. It was around 11:30 I think was was just walking when this pretty skinny black girl came up to me. I am usually.
Got back to the hotel room around 2 am.
First day done! Now to do some tourist thing with my friends the next few days.
RodgerWilco
11-11-18, 01:42
I like to go to Hillary 2 in Soi 4, a lot of awesome freelancer waiting for farang, and a milfs a lot. I like the MILFs between 35 and 40. Last time a good ST experience with Amy, 36 yrs. And for this age a perfect body. She's often there after 11 pm. See her again f few days later. She's fucking hot. Highly recommended.Could you please post a photo so we can identify her. Does she work any other location that you know of?
She used to work for Boss Massage on Sukhumvit soi 24/1, and no she is a freelancer on soi 4. When you go down the soi, you will find her on the right side after Hooters. She is quite regular there. She is 30+, slim body, silicone boobs. Regular sex is 1000 thb I think and A-level is 1500 thb. She will bring you to a hotel nearby. She is the kind that delivers PSE: BBBJ, CIM, DATY, 69, DFK, RJ, etc. I recommend, and she is funny and relaxed.
To admin: I have read the rules regarding posting pictures. I do not believe I infringe on them but if it is the case, it is by mistake.I tried Pin recently, was slim and friendly, but her services were pretty average. Seemed to be going through motions.
Damaged girls? What are you talking about? I've had some perfectly nice girls off Beach Rd and on Soi 6 in Pattaya for 1000 baht or less. This young lady was 800. So, what's your minimum price for cute Lao girls?Yes most freelancers I have met recently did not have perfect bodies and damage quite common.
I said cheapness was not everything, however makes no sense to have a "minimum" price. Have other minimum standard levels, which includes face and body. Your pic does not suggest a great body to me, if trying to demonstrate a huge bargain, fine for others but wasted on me.
Street walkers are great for some, and I have tried on occasion. I rate my chances to pick a really fab one as low normally.
Hey guys, I am staying the the Marriott near Sukhamvit in Bangkok. Looking for some fun in the evening post 8 pm. Any references suggestions will be helpful and much appreciated. Thanks a lot. Anyone who needs help in Delhi can contact me.Hi bro,
Please visit climax or levels or insanity for picking up, you would have very good choice.
BaddHabbit
11-12-18, 07:56
https://finfanfan.com/
Fin is a slang word meaning awesome, so I guess title means "find awesome fans" or find persons for liasons.
Fan Fin would mean awesome "fans" as Thai puts adjectives after nouns. Fin first looks like a verb.
Some places they wrote FanFinFin, other way around.
https://finfanfan.com/post/nui145 here is example of a girl. Too chubby for my taste but other guys write reviews.
Submitted by moonaa on Mon 22/10/2018 - 15:27:
ays can CIM(literally "break mouth possible") , and does a good massage.
<SNIP>
Translate apps will get some phrases close but fuck up others.Just for fun I ran a translate on this using Google translate on the web, and got this back: "Great service for massage oil. Mouth to mouth" Too funny, but I don't think that would draw me in the door. As you say, definitely for the Thai speakers!
Dear Zhag,
Big clap for the report. I must say you had a great day in Bkok. What kept you hydrated and horny throughout the day and how did you manage to score and cum so many times. Did you have a lot of fruits and fluids to make sure yo can be hard throughout or a pill.
Please share I am in this beautiful city over the weekend with my friends. I want at least 2 shots in the evening.
Stay safe.
In BKK for vacation with non mongering friends so got into BKK in the AM and they were not arriving till midnight. I had chatted up with Thai friendly Wachurita I think was her name some fun as soon as I got to my hotel. I checked in Thai friendly girl Machurita made some excuse that she could not come now. So I jumped on the BTS to the Tulip, Got Golf by pure luck. Pretty lady not stick skinny but nice body good personality. Upstairs started with shower as usual, than onto some very good head game for about 10-15 attention to the boys and then she lifted up my legs went to town with her tongue in my star fish and It seemed like she was digging for diamonds with her tongue until I couldn't hold it any more CIMWS. Massage followed surprisingly very good. Then she grabbed condom got on top for a little asian cow girl. Then she bent over and grabbed my "friend" and I thought she was just going to put it back in, but nope straight into the backdoor didn't even have to ask. Did some very hard smashing for second shot. Still had some time left so back to head game trying to see if it could happen. But I couldn't. Not bad for being in BKK for less than 2 hrs. Took BTS back to the hotel..
I heard that Som's has closed or moved. I can't find good info on where it has moved. Does anyone know? In BKK now. I love it here.
I heard that Som's has closed or moved. I can't find good info on where it has moved. Does anyone know? In BKK now. I love it here.Som's new location is around the bend from her original Sukhumvit Soi 14 location as you turn right from Sukhumvit onto Ratchadaphisek. Ratchadaphisek is what Asok becomes when it crosses Sukhumvit. So Som's new bar/shop would be essentally across the street from the Exchange Tower in that intersection, just past Sukhumvit, down a small driveway next to the little Asok Bar on Ratchadaphisek.
The new name of her bar/shop is Duangporn Massage or something like that. You will see some ladies sitting outside her shop on that small driveway. BTW, as you round the bend from Sukhumvit onto Ratchadaphisek, you will first encounter another massage shop with uniformed girls sitting outside. That is not Som's new place. Keep going around that bend until you get to the little Asok Bar. Turn right there.
Som's new location is around the bend from her original Sukhumvit Soi 14 location *snip*
The new name of her bar/shop is Duangporn Massage or something like that. *snip*.Thanks! I was going to inquire about the new location, on the possibility that I can get my aging self to Bangkok in the next month or so. I like (d) Som's Haven and had many good experiences there. TTG.
Someone asked about Cart bars late at night (selling alcohol drinks and dance music on the street).
Recent quick survey in Cowboy vicinity: 3 cart bars in Soi 23,1 between Soi 23 and 21 in Sukhumvit road (not recommended) this one. They may attempt to charge you for girl drinks that you did not order. Two wall side outdoor bars in Soi 21 close to Cowboy (essentially the same as a cart bar).
If any really pretty girls I would stop by of course. My old favourite Easy Bar has not reappeared, maybe the odd girl ex East Bar, but not the ones I was interested in.
I tried Pin recently, was slim and friendly, but her services were pretty average. Seemed to be going through motions.Good to know, but I will risk it since she performed well for me at Boss Massage. Hopefully I will catch her in a horny mood. LOL There is a huge difference between going through the motions and girl deciding to enjoy herself. Seems Pin is capable of both.
Obviously one problem is she gets a lot more customers now. This could be burning her out. I generally did not find many freelancers on Soi 4 to be giving an enthusiastic fuck, but has been known to happen. I will try 6 PM before she gets tired. Likely to be next year though. Being a "monk" temporarily.
Yes he can provide good intel but very finicky. Unusual for a man to be so fussy about noses, etc.So who cares? LOL Many are finicky about something. Some need no babies, some need big tits, some need anal, some need BBFS, some need CIM and swallow of all things, some need white skin, some don't like broad flat noses, some hate deflated saggy tits, some hate Tats or piercings or, some cannot abide pussy hair, some want to copy extreme porn movies, so many weird or special requirements. I just wanted Thais to look like what I was used to 27 years ago, and not like some new race. Non tall noses and non hooked noses was one aspect. Thais with Egyptian noses would look silly, right? LOL I already much prefer real Thais over Chinese (in general) where many guys are the reverse, but I like Indonesians and Philippinas okay, some Cambodians. I like chopstick legs. I don't like very straight bodies without curves (not referring to tits here). I hate saggy asses. I don't go for thighs with no gap. So what! No big deal.
The Thai friendly was a pro 4000 all in. Well worth it!
Finfangfang I had more luck with answers and is straight up no civilians on there. So makes things easier.
To Zhag.
That's a lot of sex for the first night. Are you an Energizer bunny? Hehe.
Is the Thaifriendly girl a civie? Was she hot? A local friend suggested that I try dating services and date a couple girls for sight seeing in the day time and hot sex at night. What a fabulous idea as long as the girls are hot and not scam artists. Which are a few good Thai dating sites?
Last time I was in BKK, staying at a hotel on Soi 13 or something, a hotel guy told me he could take me to many casas where locals go for nice, fresh girls before they get old and hardened by the sex trade in BKK and hooked on drugs. I have a few distant relatives in BKK and Pattaya, but they always play the perfect, virtuous husbands and fathers, so forget about finding girls with them. Perhaps I should contact a few reputable ISG bros to arrange meet ups before I go.
It's very nice that you have been going to different countries all over the world for sex recently. In the future, consider taking vacations only with your monger friends to maximize the use of time and the fun sharing the pleasures with sex-minded companies.
Glad you had such a good sexy time. Thanks for the report.
In BKK for vacation with non mongering friends so got into BKK in the AM and they were not arriving till midnight. I had chatted up with Thai friendly Wachurita I think was her name some fun as soon as I got to my hotel. I checked in Thai friendly girl Machurita made some excuse that she could not come now. So I jumped on the BTS to the Tulip, Got Golf by pure luck. Pretty lady not.
Grabbed some lunch and it was around 4 pm walked to Soi 11 and into sat down grabbed a beer. I picked "Ma" 20 yo pretty round face Thai girl good smile. She still said no CIM.
When she showed she was much better looking than her pics really skinny she said she was 41 kg today. Pretty face and had a good attitude and smiled a lot and even joked around some. We sat on the couch and touchy feel some she kept getting on top of me with clothes and humping me. She had gotten a mid back tat the day before and we talked about that. I literally picked her.
Well my non mongering friend messaged me and said their flight coming in was dealt for 3 hrs so they don't come in till 3 am.
I was going to just go to bed but I figured I would people watch in SUkum street. It was around 11:30 I think was was just walking when this pretty skinny black girl came up to me. I am usually.
Got back to the hotel room around 2 am.
First day done! Now to do some tourist thing with my friends the next few days.
The Thai friendly was a pro 4000 all in. Well worth it!
Finfangfang I had more luck with answers and is straight up no civilians on there. So makes things easier.Fin Fan Fan. Fang sounds silly (to me at least).
Optionally can be Fan Fin Fin which sounds better (means awesome girlfriends ). Fin can be a verb meaning to "finish" sexually.
So "Fin Fan Fan" means to finish with lots of girls I guess.
I think its a play on words. There was a music album of miscellaneous hits called แฟน ฟัง ฟิน Fan Fung Fin (meaning fans listen to awesome stuff).
Many of the pros that I've found on apps like Tan Tan or WeChat (people nearby) have a very Korean / Japanese / Chinese look (makeup + surgery? Model-type. They start with 6000 baht and I've gotten down to 3000, some won't budge from 4000.
Anyone have experience with these? I did meet one before, but I got weird vibes. Voice was deeper than expected, mannerisms and body also a little off (ladyboy? Sent her home with 100 b taxi money (probably being too nice).
One from wechat did a video chat with me, voice was a little deep, but appears to match her photos. The other two from TanTan claim they don't have LINE, WeChat or anything that can do videochat. One sent me a 5's video, but without sound, so impossible to tell if the photos even match the person.
So possibilities are:
1) Real and possible stunner.
2) Bait & Switch.
3) Ladyboy (post-op / pre-op who knows).
And of course who knows about performance. Could run the gamut.
Have been to go-gos in Phuket and Cowboy, but admittedly, never Nana Plaza. I remember a few years back it felt like the whole area was LBs so I avoided.
Recently saw some positive reports about Billboard so I decided to make it a priority to check out Nana.
Didn't really step into any other go-gos, but there were a good number of hotties milling about outside the doors of each club and on the terraces (and also a fair number of LBs).
Stepped into Billboard on a weeknight and it was busy-- a rotating stage on the left with about 1-2 dozen girls depending on the time (when I first arrived there were girls two rows deep in a circle), clothed in bikinis, and on the right in a bathtub topless girls. Nice looking tits, and all appeared to have nice bodies, but maybe a slight step down in face. On the rotating stage you had for the most part very slender, taller girls, and a variety of styles from very East Asian look to very Thai look, light skin to dark skin, sweet look to sultry and tattooed look. There were probably a good half dozen I would have barfined.
Getting a good seat is hard-- I think the best are either the high top tables in the middle or along the stadium seating on the far wall. The side seating has a ceiling that blocks the view, and the seats at the stage are too too close.
I initially started by ordering one beer. Later, my self-discipline went out the window and I agreed to something like 9-10 lady drinks for waitress, my girl, and mama. Total was way more than I wanted to spend, but lesson learned. Everyone had a good time at least (except for my pocketbook). I selected #99, a cute in the face, Thai look, very slender (and as I found out later, too slender) girl. Nice girl who in the club looked very good.
Barfine was 700 + 3300 to the girl ST. I think that's normal for a go-go? Or was I overcharged?
Mama also asked for 500 tip. Maybe should have offered less or refused, but already in the hole I just went with it.
The main regret is that this girl had a very uninspired performance, even though she was perfectly polite and did not complain. CBJ is a bit of a turn-off. But not a deal-breaker for me. Too slender, as in bony. Couldn't tell in the club, unfortunately. And I knew her tits would be small given her body type, but too flat also. All of which could have been overlooked with a bit more enthusiasm. She did allow DATY but did this weird thing where she had my head in a vice grip with her legs. First time for everything.
May try another go-go or go back to Billboard and try a different girl, with more resolve to minimize lady drink spend, but I've still had better luck at much lower cost at Thermae, even as I prefer the overall entertainment atmosphere at the go-go vs the crowded meat market everyone staring atmosphere at Thermae.
Many of the pros that I've found on apps like Tan Tan or WeChat (people nearby) have a very Korean / Japanese / Chinese look (makeup + surgery? Model-type. They start with 6000 baht and I've gotten down to 3000, some won't budge from 4000.
Anyone have experience with these? I did meet one before, but I got weird vibes. Voice was deeper than expected, mannerisms and body also a little off (ladyboy? Sent her home with 100 b taxi money (probably being too nice).
One from wechat did a video chat with me, voice was a little deep, but appears to match her photos. The other two from TanTan claim they don't have LINE, WeChat or anything that can do videochat. One sent me a 5's video, but without sound, so impossible to tell if the photos even match the person.
So possibilities are:
1) Real and possible stunner.
2) Bait & Switch.
3) Ladyboy (post-op / pre-op who knows).
And of course who knows about performance. Could run the gamut.I met one last month who I guessed is a post-op after she entered my room. She denied it and insisted that she is the same person in the picture I called receptionist to check and she told me she is not a lady. I gave her taxi money and and ask her to leave.
Member #4698
11-14-18, 13:28
Barfine was 700 + 3300 to the girl ST. I think that's normal for a go-go? Or was I overcharged?3300 to the girl and 500 baht to the mamasan. Yeah they took advantage of you although you could have just said no. Try Twister and RB4 in Nana, Baccara on Cowboy. I can't recommend Crazy House anymore although it is still a hands on, nude girly bar and still fun occasionally. I highly recommend Kings Castle 1 & 2 on Patpong 1 (not Kings Corner 1 & 2 LOL).
You should not pay more than 3000 for ST in any GO GO in BKK or Pattaya. Barfines vary. Kings Castle 1 and Mandarin have high barfines to pay off their agency girls (1400 & 1500 respectively). I only buy drinks for my girl unless one of her girlfriends is really nice and I think I might want to do her or them together at a later date. There is no need to tip a mamasan. If pressured I say, "later" and they quit asking. I tip certain waitresses at my favorite Go Go's because I know them long time & they know me and give me preferential service. I do tip mamasan Tang at Crazy House because I have known her a long time and she gives me special attention and vip treatment. I give my CH mamasan 100 baht and buy her a drink, but only when I am in the process of barfining a CH girl, otherwise, when I am just looking, she gets nada. She understands my M.O. and is very cool with it.
JakeBrown6661
11-14-18, 15:01
Thanks to all the folks who have been posting great reports.
I checked in to my hotel on Soi 3 at around 10 pm. Took a shower had a beer and was at Nana Plaza by 11 pm. Obviously got propositioned by a lot of ladies / LBs on the way. I read Russians hang out on Soi 3, I walked up and down a couple of times, nowhere to be seen. Some really dodgy looking freelancers around a hotel called Grace.
Went straight to Twister. Number of girls. Good. Quality. Good. Set up. Extremely weird. There is not a single spot in the bar from which 1 can enjoy both stages. I was given a seat at the nude stage so my choice was limited to only the girls who got up on that stage. Sat and enjoyed the surroundings for about 1-1. 5 hours, sipping beers. Mentally shortlisted 3 girls. Asked about ST charges, decided I didn't want to waste money on lady drinks. Was informed 1000 + 3000. Obviously I was aware ST can go low as low as 2000 total around closing time. Anyway, asked for my 1st preference, she had just been grabbed by a group of guys. Asked for my 2nd preference and was flat out refused. Said she doesn't go out of the bar. Weird. Next thing I see she came and sat next to the Japanese gentleman next to me. Repeatedly kept asking him to bar fine her. He refused saying he didn't want to spend the money. She had the audacity to ask me if I would bar fine her now. Was close to 2 at the time and I wasn't having any of it. Politely told her she should continue in her endeavour to only find Japanese men. Called over my 3rd choice. Bar fined her. Told the mamasan 4 k total is too much, she said bar fine is 1000 non negotiable, girl I can negotiate directly. Offered 2000 to the girl, she agreed in a second. Head back to my hotel. She was a 35 year old petite woman. Very playful. Good service. However, 30-35 minutes into the act and she asked me when I was going to finish. I told her with a condom it usually takes a bit longer and she should be patient as it hasn't been that long. She said she wanted to "suck" me and I can enter her again in 5 minutes. Why would I refuse that offer? So I remove the condom, not going for a CBJ. While blowing me she came up to give me a kiss on my neck while dry humping me. Next thing I know she is completely on top of me and moving up and down vigorously. It takes me 30 seconds to realise what has just happened. Too late I think. Turn her over, pound her and finish. Take a shower, send her away. Left wondering why I let the situation get the better of me. Never again I think to myself. Besides that, a good experience.
So who cares? LOL Many are finicky about something. Some need no babies, some need big tits, some need anal, some need BBFS, some need CIM and swallow of all things, some need white skin, some don't like broad flat noses, some hate deflated saggy tits, some hate Tats or piercings or, some cannot abide pussy hair, some want to copy extreme porn movies, so many weird or special requirements. I just wanted Thais to look like what I was used to 27 years ago, and not like some new race. Non tall noses and non hooked noses was one aspect. Thais with Egyptian noses would look silly, right? LOL I already much prefer real Thais over Chinese (in general) where many guys are the reverse, but I like Indonesians and Philippinas okay, some Cambodians. I like chopstick legs. I don't like very straight bodies without curves (not referring to tits here). I hate saggy asses. I don't go for thighs with no gap. So what! No big deal.It was more observation than criticism.
Your disgust for surgically altered noses amuses me more than anything. It seems like you go out of your way to share it with us at every opportunity.
I enjoy it. It amuses me. It's unique. Please continue.
Banana Boi
11-14-18, 16:25
Mama also asked for 500 tip. Maybe should have offered less or refused, but already in the hole I just went with it.Said it before and will say it again there is absolutely ZERO need to tip any gogo mamasan. What is she going to do? Bring a girl for you next time? I'm more than capable of getting my own girl and what are the odds the next girl mamasan brings me is someone I actually like. Listen to what Natty posted there is some very good info in his post. I was going to barfine a gogo girl one night but her insistence that I had to tip the mamasan made me change my mind. Keep in mind girls and mamasans see a tourist a mile away.
I've still had better luck at much lower cost at Thermae, even as I prefer the overall entertainment atmosphere at the go-go vs the crowded meat market everyone staring atmosphere at Thermae.
I prefer Thermae over any gogo bar. Wish we had a place like Thermae in Pattaya. Odd we don't given the number of Japanese and Korean tourists. No ladydrinks and lots of good laughs watching guys and girls interact. I've always had sufficient service at Thermae. Never expect PSE or you will be disappointed at Thermae.
The Thai friendly was a pro 4000 all in. Well worth it!.I will never understand these prices. Guys already overpay in the GoGos with ST of 3 k plus ridiculous barfines on top. Now people start to pay the same ridiculous amounts (and actually more) on dating sites?
I pay 1.5-2 k max. For girls from thaifriendly, or nothing at all. I am talking 18-24 yo here and BBFS. The most they ask for is 3 k which I refuse. The last I had was a dancer from Crazy House. 1. 7 k ST BBFS, but a bad performance. Don't want to think about had I paid the ridiculous gogo rate for such a low-performer.
Have been to go-gos in Phuket and Cowboy, but admittedly, never Nana Plaza. I remember a few years back it felt like the whole area was LBs so I avoided.
Recently saw some positive reports about Billboard so I decided to make it a priority to check out Nana.
Didn't really step into any other go-gos, but there were a good number of hotties milling about outside the doors of each club and on the terraces (and also a fair number of LBs).
Stepped into Billboard on a weeknight and it was busy-- a rotating stage on the left with about 1-2 dozen girls depending on the time (when I first arrived there were girls two rows deep in a circle), clothed in bikinis, and on the right in a bathtub topless girls. Nice looking tits, and all appeared to have nice bodies, but maybe a slight step down in face. On the rotating stage you had for the most part very slender, taller girls, and a variety of styles from very East Asian look to very Thai look, light skin to dark skin, sweet look to sultry and tattooed look. There were probably a good half dozen I would have barfined.
Getting a good seat is hard-- I think the best are either the high top tables in the middle or along the stadium seating on the far wall. The side seating has a ceiling that blocks the view, and the seats at the stage are too too close..500 baht for a mamasan. And I thought saphan kwai was bad. It's shit like this and all the additional costs for mediocre service that I stopped going to gogos.
3300 to the girl and 500 baht to the mamasan. Yeah they took advantage of you although you could have just said no. Try Twister and RB4 in Nana, Baccara on Cowboy. I can't recommend Crazy House anymore although it is still a hands on, nude girly bar and still fun occasionally. I highly recommend Kings Castle 1 & 2 on Patpong 1 (not Kings Corner 1 & 2 LOL).
You should not pay more than 3000 for ST in any GO GO in BKK or Pattaya. Barfines vary. Kings Castle 1 and Mandarin have high barfines to pay off their agency girls (1400 & 1500 respectively). I only buy drinks for my girl unless one of her girlfriends is really nice and I think I might want to do her or them together at a later date. There is no need to tip a mamasan. If pressured I say, "later" and they quit asking. I tip certain waitresses at my favorite Go Go's because I know them long time & they know me and give me preferential service. I do tip mamasan Tang at Crazy House because I have known her a long time and she gives me special attention and vip treatment. I give my CH mamasan 100 baht and buy her a drink, but only when I am in the process of barfining a CH girl, otherwise, when I am just looking, she gets nada. She understands my M.O. and is very cool with it.
Said it before and will say it again there is absolutely ZERO need to tip any gogo mamasan. What is she going to do? Bring a girl for you next time? I'm more than capable of getting my own girl and what are the odds the next girl mamasan brings me is someone I actually like. Listen to what Natty posted there is some very good info in his post. I was going to barfine a gogo girl one night but her insistence that I had to tip the mamasan made me change my mind. Keep in mind girls and mamasans see a tourist a mile away.
I prefer Thermae over any gogo bar. Wish we had a place like Thermae in Pattaya. Odd we don't given the number of Japanese and Korean tourists. No ladydrinks and lots of good laughs watching guys and girls interact. I've always had sufficient service at Thermae. Never expect PSE or you will be disappointed at Thermae.I have been around long enough to know better, but still got had. Thanks for confirming what I suspected, I guess I wasn't thinking with the right head at the time, LOL. I guess I'm more used to the Indo scene now where everything is pretty standard in the bigger venues and can pay with credit card.
Given 2000 ST is possible near closing time, as Jakebrown6661 below indicates, what's a reasonable ST? 2500? Then do folks still tip? I generally tip 100-200 to Thermae girls if the experience was good, they have been appreciative and did not seem to expect. No tip to mama, got it. And I got to stay disciplined on the lady drinks. That still adds up to maybe 3000ST for Go-go, maybe quality isn't that much better than Thermae, other than the chance to preview the goods up close (and even then, can't always tell what the body is like under real lighting and everything off.
I'll also admit I didn't RTFF enough before setting out, and my last time in a go-go was years ago, having just done Thermae or focused on civvies. Lesson learned.
HorseTrader
11-15-18, 14:54
One from wechat did a video chat with me, voice was a little deep, but appears to match her photos. The other two from TanTan claim they don't have LINE, WeChat or anything that can do videochat. One sent me a 5's video, but without sound, so impossible to tell if the photos even match the person.
So possibilities are:
1) Real and possible stunner.
2) Bait & Switch.
3) Ladyboy (post-op / pre-op who knows).
And of course who knows about performance. Could run the gamut.Wechat has many ladyboys, but also some good girls that are available for reasonable prices or for free. When I first start chatting, I simply ask if they are a ladyboy. Often they are LB. I've never met one that claimed to be female but was actually ladyboy.
I have been around long enough to know better, but still got had. Thanks for confirming what I suspected, I guess I wasn't thinking with the right head at the time, LOL. I guess I'm more used to the Indo scene now where everything is pretty standard in the bigger venues and can pay with credit card.
Given 2000 ST is possible near closing time, as Jakebrown6661 below indicates, what's a reasonable ST? 2500? Then do folks still tip? I generally tip 100-200 to Thermae girls if the experience was good, they have been appreciative and did not seem to expect. No tip to mama, got it. And I got to stay disciplined on the lady drinks. That still adds up to maybe 3000ST for Go-go, maybe quality isn't that much better than Thermae, other than the chance to preview the goods up close (and even then, can't always tell what the body is like under real lighting and everything off.
I'll also admit I didn't RTFF enough before setting out, and my last time in a go-go was years ago, having just done Thermae or focused on civvies. Lesson learned.No need to tip on top of the ST fee for either gogo girls or thermae freelancers.
YetAnotherGuy
11-15-18, 21:25
Given 2000 ST is possible near closing time, as Jakebrown6661 below indicates, what's a reasonable ST? 2500? Then do folks still tip? I generally tip 100-200 to Thermae girls if the experience was good, they have been appreciative and did not seem to expect. No tip to mama, got it. And I got to stay disciplined on the lady drinks. That still adds up to maybe 3000ST for Go-go, maybe quality isn't that much better than Thermae, other than the chance to preview the goods up close (and even then, can't always tell what the body is like under real lighting and everything off.2500-3000 is common for ST. Those asking 3000 can sometimes be negotiated down to 2500. The opportunity to preview is an advantage, I've more often been disappointed by Thermae girls than bar girls.
So I've been hitting the massage parlors regularly over the last couple months. You know, get my brains fucked out for two hours, end the fantasy and head home. I have noticed something interesting and want to see if others have had the same experience or if it's all in my head. So, after leaving the girl, utterly drained but feeling great, I get on the BTS or MRT to head home. Three times consecutively now, I have attracted the attention of women on the train. Full on interest; eye contact, body language, smiles, checking their hair or make up when they think I'm not looking. If I had Superman's eyes, I'm sure that I would see the dampness growing between their legs. Basically, these women were just dying for me to talk to them. So what's going on? Can they sense / smell the sex of the massage lady on me? Am I giving off certain signals that they are hyper-aware of? Or am I full of shit and I see opportunities everywhere because I just left from a sexual marathon? Anyone else have these experiences after leaving from a massage parlor?
Som's new location is around the bend from her original Sukhumvit Soi 14 location as you turn right from Sukhumvit onto Ratchadaphisek. Ratchadaphisek is what Asok becomes when it crosses Sukhumvit. So Som's new bar/shop would be essentally across the street from the Exchange Tower in that intersection, just past Sukhumvit, down a small driveway next to the little Asok Bar on Ratchadaphisek.
The new name of her bar/shop is Duangporn Massage or something like that. You will see some ladies sitting outside her shop on that small driveway. BTW, as you round the bend from Sukhumvit onto Ratchadaphisek, you will first encounter another massage shop with uniformed girls sitting outside. That is not Som's new place. Keep going around that bend until you get to the little Asok Bar. Turn right there.Thanks for that info. I have been past there three times since seeing your post and have not found any of my previous favorites. Som's had some diamonds in the rough. There was one that wore glasses and was super petite who could swallow all of the way down. She was really pretty as well. There was another who was sort of college looking who drooled gobs which was quite sexy. She got off watching herself in the mirror which turned me on. I will try some of the new talent today and get back to all of you.
I will never understand these prices. Guys already overpay in the GoGos with ST of 3 k plus ridiculous barfines on top. Now people start to pay the same ridiculous amounts (and actually more) on dating sites?
I pay 1.5-2 k max. For girls from thaifriendly, or nothing at all. I am talking 18-24 yo here and BBFS. The most they ask for is 3 k which I refuse. The last I had was a dancer from Crazy House. 1. 7 k ST BBFS, but a bad performance. Don't want to think about had I paid the ridiculous gogo rate for such a low-performer.My experience is similar to yours in terms of normal rates I pay for girls met on dating sites like ThaiFriendly and ThaiCupid. And 2,000-2,500 baht for Long Time, not just for Short Time, is very doable.
However, bear in mind the online scene has no observable reference standards whatsoever. Girls can either be totally inexperienced at How Much and For What in the P4P scene or they can be hardened pros who know the score at every venue level. I just had a short, chubby, BARELY passable 40 year old who clicked interested in me on ThaiFriendly ask for 4000 ST. Just out of curiosity, I countered by telling her I regularly get sweet, young, cute girls to go bareback for boom boom or finish a blowjob with full cum inside mouth, my choice and up to me, and stay with me all night afterwards until late morning for 2000+200 or so for taxi, which is the truth. She countered with "I want 5000". LOL. No, I didn't bite. But there very well might be many men on those dating sites who will bite and have no idea there is such a place online as ISG.
It is always possible the guy clicking interested in a FL online is more monstrous than any man you have ever seen in a bar (not saying that was the case here by any means) while the girl is more beautiful than any girl you've seen in Thermae or the most high end discos. Hence, a 4000 baht ST kind of makes sense for both sides in that situation. Or more.
There is no "wingman" support. There is no "audience" to rally around your hilarious use of plastic bugs and whoopee cushions with the girls. There is no way to know how many other potential customers are at this very moment hitting on your target girl and making offers. And so much more. There is only your and her looks (via a Line video chat), your personal connection with her and her with you, your real, solitary, one-on-one charm "game" in that regard to win a girl for yourself at an acceptable rate over the next guy. If money is at issue at all, that is.
It isn't the place for big, boisterous personalities. Being fun is still helpful. But you must be able to simplify, economize and focus your "fun" personality to only that which works with a lone female, not an eager audience of drinking buddies and servers, and dump whatever doesn't work.
And when it boils down to that, there will be a lot of guys having to overpay to the tune of 4,000-5,000+ baht to finally find themselves naked and alone with a particular girl in a room for ST.
Thanks for that info. I have been past there three times since seeing your post and have not found any of my previous favorites. Som's had some diamonds in the rough. There was one that wore glasses and was super petite who could swallow all of the way down. She was really pretty as well. There was another who was sort of college looking who drooled gobs which was quite sexy. She got off watching herself in the mirror which turned me on. I will try some of the new talent today and get back to all of you.I have only walked directly past the Som's girls at the new location a couple of times now and have not seen anyone I would choose, either. Same with Kasalong Bar and L0litas Bar, day shift or night shift, over the past 2-3 months. None of the four or five better than average lookers have been seen outside those bars in at least that amount of time. Maybe those who are left are fantastic providers. But I can't get past the below average looks to be inspired to find out.
2500-3000 is common for ST. Those asking 3000 can sometimes be negotiated down to 2500. The opportunity to preview is an advantage, I've more often been disappointed by Thermae girls than bar girls.
No need to tip on top of the ST fee for either gogo girls or thermae freelancers.I guess I've had the opposite experience-- thus far, my Thermae experiences have been far better, with better bodies and faces in the light, and more GFE than go-go girls (save one go-go girl, my most recent was 100% GFE). Plus less expensive (2500 vs 2500/3000 + barfine).
I will never understand these prices. Guys already overpay in the GoGos with ST of 3 k plus ridiculous barfines on top. Now people start to pay the same ridiculous amounts (and actually more) on dating sites?
I pay 1.5-2 k max. For girls from thaifriendly, or nothing at all. I am talking 18-24 yo here and BBFS. The most they ask for is 3 k which I refuse. The last I had was a dancer from Crazy House. 1. 7 k ST BBFS, but a bad performance. Don't want to think about had I paid the ridiculous gogo rate for such a low-performer.I agree the barfines are ridiculous. I remember a few years ago barfines were in the 500-600 range (if memory serves). Now I'm being told 1000 (Twisters). At Billboard I was charged 700. Don't know if barfines are standard or it depends on time / person / guest. I was at the go-gos at roughly the same times though, only difference was venue.
And looks like I've really been overpaying. While I don't do BBFS, I have not been able to get to 1. 5-2 K at all, Thermae girls have all standardized, and I think unless it's nearing closing time or maybe very early, 2 K is not possible. Nobody would budge from it. I suggested 1. 5 K to a previous girl I met as a sideline girl who is now at Thermae every night, after she pestered me to take her (messages, calls). She stopped messaging me. Then again, she is a pro, not part-timer or civ.
I have had a few civs in BKK as well as some other places, but it always ends up costing the same or more if you count the dating aspect.
On the other hand, perhaps being a little more generous (2500 vs 2000) is what leads to a better experience if the girl doesn't feel like she is being taken advantage of. For example, your Crazy Horse dancer for 1. 7 K. You said it was a terrible performance. I wonder if it would have been totally different for 800 more? For the time invested in even having that experience, maybe a marginal 800 baht is worth it.
Decided to check out Shock 39 to satisfy my CIS (no idea what this stands for, but I assume something to do with central asia) curiosity. Arrived just before 11 pm, and the only thing in that little alley is Shock. It's down the alley from a 7-11 on the main road.
Entry fee was 400. A bit pricey. Comes with one beer, only Budweiser. Music is LOUD. Kind of empty, very dark, but the dance floor is full. Of. Indians. Mostly a sausage fest but about 20% women (with the groups of Indians). In fact, 95% of the club clientele was Indian. A little later, I spotted one much older looking Asian lady, but she was also quite large. Not sure if she was working. Then I also saw a blonde, somewhat tall, dancing by herself, but from my vantage point, she was older and also a little thick. Stayed for 30-45 minutes and called it quits, maybe it was the wrong day or too early (weekday).
Headed to Nana. After a lackluster experience and having overpaid last time, I was determined to at least not get fleeced at Nana this time. My backup plan was to go to Thermae if Nana was a bust. Upon Natty be's advice I tried Twister ground level. Quality here is pretty good, a fair number of the type I like, slim with cute faces. Probably a good 5-6 that I would consider 7/8's.
Quickly saw a girl I liked, had the waitress bring her over. We chit-chatted, I got her a lady drink, then asked about ST. Was told barfine was 1000 and girl was 3000. Wouldn't budge on barfine, even though I was 100% sure I was charged only 700 for barfine for ST at Billboard. Big mama later said 1000 was the same for ST or LT? I thought it was more for LT. Anyway, maybe different here. I then said, 2500 for ST was normal? After a lot of back and forth in Thai (which I don't understand), finally the girl agrees to go. Then, I'm told, pay up front. I read earlier here that this part could be negotiated too. I am almost certain paying up front means a higher chance of poor / lazy performance. I insisted on paying after. Told no-- pay now. So I say, sorry, that's ok, and I get up to leave. They look confused, start talking with one another, but nobody stops me as I exit. 320 down the drain for one drink and a lady drink.
I head upstairs and pass the LB bars. Was about to head to Butterflies or Angel Witch, then I see another Twisters? WTH, step inside. The vibe here is a little bit different, waitresses more friendly, crowd more rowdy. One waitress heads over, I refuse to buy a drink, want to see if there's anyone worth staying for first. Quality here is similar to downstairs, maybe even a touch better if you like the very slim look. Still, cannot tell for most girls just how much they are filling their bras or how much is padding. Seating here is bad, mostly high-tops or right up at the stage. I see a girl that looks almost Eurasian. Not your typical Thai face, perhaps had surgery? I know some don't like that but she looked good so I asked her to come over.
At first it was all smiles, ST discussions again with waitress, 1000 BF + 3000. I say, should be 2500? Some discussion and finally girl agrees. Told pay now. I say, pay later normal? Waitress tries to negotiate with the girl, she wants to be paid first. What is going on with the pay now? Anyway I am able to negotiate 1000 up front 1500 later. I should have sensed that things would not turn out well. She gets changed, and we head out. She starts leading me to the stairs going up only? I am confused. Turns out she is taking me to rooms upstairs where you pay 400 for room. At this point I flip out (not outwardly). I refuse, then we go back, and I demand my barfine and the 1000 paid to the girl back. Girl has a scowl on her face, I probably dodged a bullet as she was probably already unhappy since we negotiated 2500 and not pay 100% up front. I am told that if you only pay 2500 then you have to do the room upstairs? I say no-- not normal. Waitress gets me the 1000 from the girl, but says bar won't return the barfine. She tells me I can choose another girl and not pay another barfine, LOL.
I tell the waitress, look, I'll do 2500ST, at my hotel, but I don't want another girl if she will be unhappy. It won't be fun for anyone. She says don't worry, I'll talk to the girls you choose. I tell her a number, she says, no that one will only go for 3000. I tell her another number, she goes and whispers to the girl, and the girl comes over. Cute little thing, with braces, from Isan (of course) but not the super tanned exotic looking kind, more like an East Asian schoolgirl look. Waitress got her to agree to my demands up front, which was good, maybe I need to be clear on that next time before picking anyone-- 2500ST, pay later, at my hotel.
At this point, as we're walking back to the hotel (8-10 min walk) I'm a little nervous that this will also be a bust. But, as it turns out, the girl was one of the best of this trip. While her tits were a little smaller than I expected, overall her body was nice and like GND. Smiles all around, fun, DFK and convincing GFE, with any and all positions (did not try A+ or BBFS, not my thing). BBBJ, DATY. She came a couple times, and was doing that thing where the girl grabs your ass to push you in harder and deeper and faster, LOL. We went a lot longer than she expected, I imagine, as well as she was out of breath and collapsed after. I ended up giving her 3000 since she definitely deserved / earned it. Showered together and then she didn't want to leave, but then I told her I had to sleep, and she reluctantly (but with smiles) left, telling me exactly what I wanted to hear-- you good sex. LOL.
Anyway-- bottom line is, unless I'm really looking for the atmosphere of a go-go or watch a show, or want to hang out with a drink etc, Thermae has been much better in terms of quality, experience, and efficiency. I can be in and out of there in 10 minutes, at my hotel nearby in 5, and in bed by midnight, at a decent cost without a lot of up front work or chance of be&S (as in TF or apps) or the hassle at the go-gos.
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Headed to Nana. After a lackluster experience and having overpaid last time, I was determined to at least not get fleeced at Nana this time. My backup plan was to go to Thermae if Nana was a bust. Upon Natty be's advice I tried Twister ground level. Quality here is pretty good, a fair number of the type I like, slim with cute faces. Probably a good 5-6 that I would consider 7/8's.
Quickly saw a girl I liked, had the waitress bring her over. We chit-chatted, I got her a lady drink, then asked about ST. Was told barfine was 1000 and girl was 3000. Wouldn't budge on barfine, even though I was 100% sure I was charged only 700 for barfine for ST at Billboard. Big mama later said 1000 was the same for ST or LT? I thought it was more for LT. Anyway, maybe different here. I then said, 2500 for ST was normal? After a lot of back and forth in Thai (which I don't understand), finally the girl agrees to go. Then, I'm told, pay up front. I read earlier here that this part could be negotiated too. I am almost certain paying up front means a higher chance of poor / lazy performance. I insisted on paying after. Told no-- pay now. So I say, sorry, that's ok, and I get up to leave. They look confused, start talking with one another, but nobody stops me as I exit. 320 down the drain for one drink and a lady drink.
I head upstairs and pass the LB bars. Was about to head to Butterflies or Angel Witch, then I see another Twisters? WTH, step inside. The vibe here is a little bit different, waitresses more friendly, crowd more rowdy. One waitress heads over, I refuse to buy a drink, want to see if there's anyone worth staying for first. Quality here is similar to downstairs, maybe even a touch better if you like the very slim look. Still, cannot tell for most girls just how much they are filling their bras or how much is padding. Seating here is bad, mostly high-tops or right up at the stage. I see a girl that looks almost Eurasian. Not your typical Thai face, perhaps had surgery? I know some don't like that but she looked good so I asked her to come over.
At first it was all smiles, ST discussions again with waitress, 1000 BF + 3000. I say, should be 2500? Some discussion and finally girl agrees. Told pay now. I say, pay later normal? Waitress tries to negotiate with the girl, she wants to be paid first. What is going on with the pay now? Anyway I am able to negotiate 1000 up front 1500 later. I should have sensed that things would not turn out well. She gets changed, and we head out. She starts leading me to the stairs going up only? I am confused. Turns out she is taking me to rooms upstairs where you pay 400 for room. At this point I flip out (not outwardly). I refuse, then we go back, and I demand my barfine and the 1000 paid to the girl back. Girl has a scowl on her face, I probably dodged a bullet as she was probably already unhappy since we negotiated 2500 and not pay 100% up front. I am told that if you only pay 2500 then you have to do the room upstairs? I say no-- not normal. Waitress gets me the 1000 from the girl, but says bar won't return the barfine. She tells me I can choose another girl and not pay another barfine, LOL.
I tell the waitress, look, I'll do 2500ST, at my hotel, but I don't want another girl if she will be unhappy. It won't be fun for anyone. She says don't worry, I'll talk to the girls you choose. I tell her a number, she says, no that one will only go for 3000. I tell her another number, she goes and whispers to the girl, and the girl comes over. Cute little thing, with braces, from Isan (of course) but not the super tanned exotic looking kind, more like an East Asian schoolgirl look. Waitress got her to agree to my demands up front, which was good, maybe I need to be clear on that next time before picking anyone-- 2500ST, pay later, at my hotel.
At this point, as we're walking back to the hotel (8-10 min walk) I'm a little nervous that this will also be a bust. But, as it turns out, the girl was one of the best of this trip. While her tits were a little smaller than I expected, overall her body was nice and like GND. Smiles all around, fun, DFK and convincing GFE, with any and all positions (did not try A+ or BBFS, not my thing). BBBJ, DATY. She came a couple times, and was doing that thing where the girl grabs your ass to push you in harder and deeper and faster, LOL. We went a lot longer than she expected, I imagine, as well as she was out of breath and collapsed after. I ended up giving her 3000 since she definitely deserved / earned it. Showered together and then she didn't want to leave, but then I told her I had to sleep, and she reluctantly (but with smiles) left, telling me exactly what I wanted to hear-- you good sex. LOL.
Anyway-- bottom line is, unless I'm really looking for the atmosphere of a go-go or watch a show, or want to hang out with a drink etc, Thermae has been much better in terms of quality, experience, and efficiency. I can be in and out of there in 10 minutes, at my hotel nearby in 5, and in bed by midnight, at a decent cost without a lot of up front work or chance of be&S (as in TF or apps) or the hassle at the go-gos.Wow, those Twisters girls must really be providing an inordinately high percentage of crap service to be so adamant about getting paid UPFRONT now. I've never paid a Thai go-go bargirl upfront and have taken a few from Twisters. But not in a while. And, sorry, guys, I just don't buy that bit about how the poor put upon go-go bargirls are insisting on getting paid UPFRONT nowadays because us meany customers aren't paying them the going rate after a perfectly acceptable romp. Anyway, Dirk, there is no doubt in my mind that one of the main reasons your good Twisters girl experience was so good is because she had no qualms about waiting until AFTER the deed was done to get her pay for services rendered. Good on you for sticking to your guns on that very important issue.
BTW, the first Twisters you went into on the ground level is the new Twisters Bangkok Go-Go Bar recently acquired by the owners of the one on the third level. The one on the third level is the original Twisters. The one on the ground level used to be Bangkok Bunnies before the Twisters folks took it over. And, frankly, from the sounds of it, if that many of their girls are insisting on being paid UPFRONT in order to avoid being denied payment after the deed, it does not speak well of whatever quality control or management supervision they are getting from the Twisters folks, IF any.
Also, the 700 baht barfine vs the 1000 baht one vs the 1500 baht one and so on might actually be due to the time of night, night of the week or a two or three tier barfine system for different girls. And some bars charge more for the barfine than other bars anyway. I for one have not had a problem understanding and accepting a higher barfine for some girls vs others AS LONG AS it is made clear to me by the higher priced barfine girl that she will indeed deliver something EXTRA for that EXTRA barfine rate. Otherwise, she has no right to be considered "Special" deserving a "Special" barfine rate. That is where BBFS or BBBJ+CIM+Swallow comes into the negotiations and stays there or I walk. For me, that is. I realize other customers might choose other EXTRAS deserving of that "Special" moniker.
Blanquiceleste
11-16-18, 15:09
Decided to check out Shock 39 to satisfy my CIS (no idea what this stands for, but I assume something to do with central asia) curiosity.
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Anyway-- bottom line is, unless I'm really looking for the atmosphere of a go-go or watch a show, or want to hang out with a drink etc, Thermae has been much better in terms of quality, experience, and efficiency. I can be in and out of there in 10 minutes, at my hotel nearby in 5, and in bed by midnight, at a decent cost without a lot of up front work or chance of be&S (as in TF or apps) or the hassle at the go-gos.Commonwealth of Independent States. Also known as the "stans". Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, and Uzbekistan.
Nice report.
Anyway-- bottom line is, unless I'm really looking for the atmosphere of a go-go or watch a show, or want to hang out with a drink etc, Thermae has been much better in terms of quality, experience, and efficiency. I can be in and out of there in 10 minutes, at my hotel nearby in 5, and in bed by midnight, at a decent cost without a lot of up front work or chance of be&S (as in TF or apps) or the hassle at the go-gos.Atmosphere? Its really foul in there, and the sound system is fairly rank. DJ was intolerable when I went there. This place really is a "shocker". Not sure there is anywhere I would rate as worse in Bangkok.
Wow, those Twisters girls must really be providing an inordinately high percentage of crap service to be so adamant about getting paid UPFRONT now. I've never paid a Thai go-go bargirl upfront and have taken a few from Twisters. But not in a while. And, sorry, guys, I just don't buy that bit about how the poor put upon go-go bargirls are insisting on getting paid UPFRONT nowadays because us meany customers aren't paying them the going rate after a perfectly acceptable romp. Was your success rate good at twisters? I had one really good girl from there, one bad one, and some in between.
Getting paid upfront, usually means the girl is going to be like my worst Twisters girl in that she does not really want to be penetrated/fucked and gives the stiff straight legs treatment, or alternatively girls have been experiencing customers, not paying what they were supposed to. We can't know if the girl deserved to be paid in full or not.
Crazy House had mamasans always asking for the full up front with new customers, but I never paid it. Some girls I have done regularly and not having any great reason to make up bullshit, have reported several customers, who just never intended to pay. They got the full sex and satisfactory service and then said sorry my wallet is empty. So customers wanting freebies or to pay a much lower amount than agreed does happen. They just rationalise it to themselves by deciding what they think they should pay, if any. It's not like the girl can call the police, to ask for payment. Plenty of guys exist that do regularly rip off the girls.
Obviously this is part of the reason why many MPs have changed to up front all in payment.
Has been known for bargirls to do a runner, having already received payment, so it is certainly not wise to pay in advance if don't know the girl in my view. Slightly irrelevant since I never paid in advance to bargirls, only to MPs.
Som's new location is around the bend from her original Sukhumvit Soi 14 location as you turn right from Sukhumvit onto Ratchadaphisek. Ratchadaphisek is what Asok becomes when it crosses Sukhumvit. So Som's new bar/shop would be essentally across the street from the Exchange Tower in that intersection, just past Sukhumvit, down a small driveway next to the little Asok Bar on Ratchadaphisek.
The new name of her bar/shop is Duangporn Massage or something like that. You will see some ladies sitting outside her shop on that small driveway. BTW, as you round the bend from Sukhumvit onto Ratchadaphisek, you will first encounter another massage shop with uniformed girls sitting outside. That is not Som's new place. Keep going around that bend until you get to the little Asok Bar. Turn right there.Thanks for the update. I will check out the new location when there in March. It has been awhile since I had a real looker there. I try to go there a few times each trip. But the girls have always been fun and given great BBBJI get the offers for full service but have yet to take them upon it.
Was your success rate good at twisters? I had one really good girl from there, one bad one, and some in between.
Getting paid upfront, usually means the girl is going to be like my worst Twisters girl in that she does not really want to be penetrated/fucked and gives the stiff straight legs treatment, or alternatively girls have been experiencing customers, not paying what they were supposed to. We can't know if the girl deserved to be paid in full or not.
Crazy House had mamasans always asking for the full up front with new customers, but I never paid it. Some girls I have done regularly and not having any great reason to make up bullshit, have reported several customers, who just never intended to pay. They got the full sex and satisfactory service and then said sorry my wallet is empty. So customers wanting freebies or to pay a much lower amount than agreed does happen. They just rationalise it to themselves by deciding what they think they should pay, if any. It's not like the girl can call the police, to ask for payment. Plenty of guys exist that do regularly rip off the girls.
Obviously this is part of the reason why many MPs have changed to up front all in payment.
Has been known for bargirls to do a runner, having already received payment, so it is certainly not wise to pay in advance if don't know the girl in my view. Slightly irrelevant since I never paid in advance to bargirls, only to MPs.My success rate at Twisters started out low after they first opened in terms of getting a girl to agree to my particular service requirements. 3-4 negotiations in a row that went nowhere. Then I suddenly began to get takers. 6-7 in a row who said yes in the bar and meant it. But my last few visits in the past year or so left me cold. I got a scam vibe I could not shake. I even ran into three new girls in a row who informed me they did not go barfine and only worked for Lady Drinks, true or not. This was before any discussion about what I required even if they did want me to pay the barfine and take them. Haven't tried again recently. Or felt a need to.
On the issue of girls telling you their sad tales of being ripped off by customers after giving them full sex and satisfactory service, I can't think of many times a P4P girl is not prepared to tell a sad tale about how their phone was stolen, the rent money lost by their irresponsible roomate, the mamasan being unfair and forcing them to quit that job, you name it. Especially if their telling you that sad tale might inspire you to be extra financially helpful in their time of need. LOL.
How about their first line of defense against being ripped off by customers despite delivering the goods as agreed upon be to choose their customers a little more wisely? Hell, P4P girls have never had a big problem choosing another customer over ME and I have never penalized or ripped off a girl on the money if she delivers or even just convincingly appears to be trying to deliver what she agreed to do in the bar.
Also, I'm trying to imagine just how this epidemic of rip off customers played out at the MPs that had to abandon their previous Pay After system in favor of a Pay Upfront system. Seriously, were there really that many dudes who had just gotten full sex and satisfactory service pulling up their pants in a mad rush, pushing the girl aside, dashing through the reception area past the cashier and mamasan, busting through the glass doors and racing down the soi in a frenzy so as not to be stopped by anyone along the way and asked for the cash?
How is it that I have never seen a customer leaving a MP that way in what by now must be thousands of times I have walked past Pay After MPs?
BigBangLover
11-16-18, 21:30
Hi and greetings from Bangkok.
Just arrived yesterday for my 2 week Thailand holiday.
In Bangkok, I like Nana Plaza with many GoGoBar inside.
Sparkys and Twisters (upstairs) my favorites there.
I avoid SOi Cowboy, many Coyote Girl, you cannot barfine.
Today I checked Butterflies and I liked it.
I barfined a girl with 700 Barfine +3000 LT.
She was not one of the dancers, just sitting outside and doing promotion.
It was already 0 o clock. I guess, therefore for the Mamasan was no difference between Short and Long time.
A 20 year old sporty funny girl, a little shy, new in business, who can entertain you, good English, hot bedtime.
We headed to nice clubs Oscars, then Levels, Narx. Lot of fun, dancinfg and later hot time in my hotel at Soi 1.
It was great time, almost perfect).
So, my question and request for your advise, hopefully.
I am not newbie and will fall in love in Thailand with a bar or GoGo girl.
But my plan is to have as much as possible fun and nice time with her in 1 or 2 weeks as possible.
Of course not paying everyday 700 BF and 3000 .
Tomorrow I would go again to Butterfies.
The mamasan is very clever, They are checking in 1 sec if somebody wants a girl.
So, do you have some advise, how can I manage to have her for 1-2 week as less cost as possible.
What amount would you paid (Girl, Club?)
Maybe the one or the other have some experience like this.
Thanks in advance.
XRatedBangkok
11-17-18, 05:34
https://finfanfan.com/.I have been trying this website for a few weeks. I would say it is a lot of work for not much result.
Well prices are around 1500-2000 thb for a short time, far from the 3-4.000 in Cowboy, so it is rather cheap. Yes, but girls seem very picky and prefer not to deal with foreigner customer. I know because I have tried to contact same girls on Line with a Caucasian profile picture, and with a seemingly Thai. Much more answers in the latter case.
Yesterday that girl stood up on me.
https://finfanfan.com/post/minnee
She probably found it very funny to have me waiting in front of the hotel and then block me.
Freelance hookers are notoriously not reliable, but here there is one more difficulty.
I avoid SOi Cowboy, many Coyote Girl, you cannot barfine.
But my plan is to have as much as possible fun and nice time with her in 1 or 2 weeks as possible.
Of course not paying everyday 700 BF and 3000 .
The mamasan is very clever, They are checking in 1 sec if somebody wants a girl.
So, do you have some advise, how can I manage to have her for 1-2 week as less cost as possible. What amount would you paid (Girl, Club?)
Avoid Nana because has many ladyboys! LOL Cowboy does have some Coyotes that can be BFed. Try DollHouse. There are also many non-Coyotes.
Mamasan is not clever. Pestering some customers will make them leave.
"Of course" not paying 700+3000. LOL This depends on what you want from the girl. Many girls will meet you privately and can avoid the BF. Not in all cases. Some girls are so honest they would report to the bar any outside liaisons and still pay the BF. I meet girls privately to avoid BF and drinks cost and wasted time. This is for 90 minutes meet up for sex. She may take less than 3 K for a regular reliable source of income especially if outside bar hours. If she is popular and does not need it, she may not take less.
You did not say how much time you want to spend with the girl. Even a week non stop (24 hours per day) was possible at least years ago, like taking girl on a holiday. One bargirl I know well has been taken away to other countries by a guy. You have to negotiate a price with her for what is fair. She won't want your business if is going to cause her to lose money, or she doesn't like you, or she has other commitments like a baby, lives with parents, has a pimp / BF, etc. A sure daily income for a girl can be very attractive though, when normally girls have unreliable money coming in. Only the girl will know what she has to lose by taking up your offer, and therefore what amount is worthwhile. Negotiation maybe needed.
In the past I had a girl from an MP that was difficult in a way, as she would not specify how much money she needed to make from a 4 day holiday trip. Just said "was up to me" probably trusting I would pay okay At least. Possibly a different case, since the holiday would allow her to fuck less than usual and rest her body a bit.
Just try taking her each day, and ask is she up for meeting outside the bar. Pretty easy really. Just move into it gradually. Having a great time is the first priority and saving money should be 2nd priority. If save a bit, allows to meet her more often.
Friends,
Could any one please tell me, is Phuket is good for mongering. I am going to travel solo. If not I will plan only Bangkok and Pattaya like last trip. I am looking for girl friend experience like one attractive girl for like from lunch to next day morning to spend time with and multiple sessions.
Crocodilexp
11-18-18, 03:29
Could any one please tell me, is Phuket is good for mongering. I am going to travel solo. If not I will plan only Bangkok and Pattaya like last trip.No. You could get laid, but Phuket is not good compared to Bangkok or Pattaya. Selection is smaller, prices are relatively high.
In Phuket, prices are also outrageously high for some non-mongering goods (like transportation, 5-10 x more than in Bangkok), and the locals are not too friendly, only there to squeeze money form tourists.
If you just want a nice beach, I'd go to places other than Phuket too.
Said it before and will say it again there is absolutely ZERO need to tip any gogo mamasan. What is she going to do? Bring a girl for you next time? I'm more than capable of getting my own girl and what are the odds the next girl mamasan brings me is someone I actually like. Listen to what Natty posted there is some very good info in his post. I was going to barfine a gogo girl one night but her insistence that I had to tip the mamasan made me change my mind. Keep in mind girls and mamasans see a tourist a mile away.Most bars I wouldn't consider tipping the mamasan, but there is one exception for me. There is one gogo where I do tip the mamasan. I've known her for about 15 years now and she is well aware of which type of girls I like and what I want them to do for me in bed. Tipping her has paid off over the years. As soon as I walk in, she does what she can to get me the best girl in the place who meets my requirements in bed. Many times she has pulled a girl for me who is the best girl in the place (and many times the girl was in the back room while I was there rather than in the bar with the rest of the girls). When smoking hot girls like that do come out from the back room, they are normally jumped immediately. There have been times she has recommended a girl where I liked a different girl better, but that has been very rare.
I also have one waitress I buy drinks for at another gogo (Crazy House) simply because she brings me the most in demand girls and it facilitates things. That bar gets crowded and it's tough to get to the girls before other guys do at times.
Houston Player
11-18-18, 07:56
Most bars I wouldn't consider tipping the mamasan, but there is one exception for me. There is one gogo where I do tip the mamasan. I've known her for about 15 years now and she is well aware of which type of girls I like and what I want them to do for me in bed. Tipping her has paid off over the years. As soon as I walk in, she does what she can to get me the best girl in the place who meets my requirements in bed. Many times she has pulled a girl for me who is the best girl in the place (and many times the girl was in the back room while I was there rather than in the bar with the rest of the girls). When smoking hot girls like that do come out from the back room, they are normally jumped immediately. There have been times she has recommended a girl where I liked a different girl better, but that has been very rare.
I also have one waitress I buy drinks for at another gogo (Crazy House) simply because she brings me the most in demand girls and it facilitates things. That bar gets crowded and it's tough to get to the girls before other guys do at times.Bingo. That's the way I do it also. There are only a couple of mamasans who take care of me and I return the favor. The ones that do nothing for me get nothing from me.
I have been trying this website for a few weeks. I would say it is a lot of work for not much result.I have also tried it, and agree, it's a waste of time.
I gave it (https://finfanfan.com/) a go a few months ago, picked out about 12 girls, contacted them either via the LINE app or via phone if a phone number was given. I spoke (in Thai) with one who asked for money upfront by way of a transfer to her bank. Yeah right! LOL. No way. The others I phoned did not answer the phone or even call me back, those I tried to contact via LINE all ignore me completely. My LINE profile has my photo so they could see what I look like, and I typed using Thai script to introduce myself and asked them their name, some of the messages I sent were read, but not replied to, some of the messages I sent were not read. A complete waste of time!
I met her back in 2012, via ThaiFriendly, we dated a few times then spent a bit of time together. Then she dumped me! LOL.
She was 22, and I met her in Bangkok, on our first date we met at a branch of Swensens, the ice-cream parlor.
Anyway, here's a few pics.
(I'll try and post some more in a day or two.).
Most bars I wouldn't consider tipping the mamasan, but there is one exception for me. There is one gogo where I do tip the mamasan. I've known her for about 15 years now and she is well aware of which type of girls I like and what I want them to do for me in bed. Tipping her has paid off over the years. As soon as I walk in, she does what she can to get me the best girl in the place who meets my requirements in bed. Many times she has pulled a girl for me who is the best girl in the place (and many times the girl was in the back room while I was there rather than in the bar with the rest of the girls). When smoking hot girls like that do come out from the back room, they are normally jumped immediately. There have been times she has recommended a girl where I liked a different girl better, but that has been very rare.
I also have one waitress I buy drinks for at another gogo (Crazy House) simply because she brings me the most in demand girls and it facilitates things. That bar gets crowded and it's tough to get to the girls before other guys do at times.I've had some success with tipping / buying drink for Mamasan in my two trips. I did tip / LD a couple waitresses and felt it was throwing money away. It didn't do much for me except make them a bit more helpful but ultimately just got me bugged for more drinks.
With Mamasan I think 6/10 bars it helped make good things happen and a couple of which probably wouldn't of happened.
At what's up agogo last trip it helped me take a lady I was hot after. The night before a Japanese guy beat me to the punch but upon returning the next day Mamasan made it happen even though the lady didn't seem to want to go. Usually I would of stopped it there but mamasan insisted it would be fun. She was right! It was in my top two experiences with sexy gogo girls that often produced mediocre performance. I did catch the girl looking through my backpack upon exiting bathroom but I was too educated thanks to many of you for that trick to work (everything of value in safe).
With windmill mamasans it seemed to make things a little more awesome every visit and prices became a little more flexible here. She always gives me a warm welcome upon entering. Even on my return trip she remembered me. Tipping Mamasan at windmill also produced the best 3 some I ever had or think I will ever have. She picked the two based on what I was wanting and it was un-fn-believable. Teamwork! Teamwork! I miss those girls. Not big on rimming but having one young sexy Thai giving a BBBJ and the other rimming really put me on top of the world. I think that's where I'm heading for NYE. I must have a similar experience. This time I'm doing LT for both. I'm going to end this year and bring in the new one right.
Lastly, on one of my first days in Thailand I spent a night in BKK on soi cowboy. I had two bangs from there. Crazy house and either Suzy wong's or a bar in between those two. Sorry I hit 5 or 6 that night and being a newbie I was in awe of the situation. At Suzies or one of the bars in between I tried barfining one of the dancers. She was a spinner but with a look to her that wasn't fragile. Looked like she could screw a guys brains out without blinking a eye. The waitress said she don't barfine. Bummer! As I was scoping out the others mamasan came over to introduce herself and I bought her a LD. She sat beside me and we talked and I bought her another. She ended up coming back with the dancer. Thinking they thought I was the LD ATM I said no I want to barfine. I find another lady that go. Mamasan said she go with you. She was far from a starfish. Great performance on her part. Crazy house I never even seen a mamasan. The two girls I took for 3 some pointed to a guy on the dancefloor that was just dancing like crazy. He ended up being the papasan. We had a disagreement on price for 2 ladies probably because I was a newbie getting confused but the 3 some wasn't nothing to write home about and no teamwork involved.
Were the great performers the product of the connection I made to mamasans? Or was it just coincidence? It certainly got me 2 ladies that I was hot after and seemed like weren't going to happen.
With that being said Dart and I went into Ginza before and after the Japanese guy took my eye candy temporarily at what's up. We bought mamasan and ladies drinks and maybe went a bit overboard. Mamasan loved us! After I lost my eye candy I went back for a old windmill girl that I had on previous trip that now worked at Ginza. This was a horrible decision. Not only was she not the same girl in bed. The connection to mamasan obviously had 0 impact even going overboard with it.
I believe in my limited experience it helps more times than not. Just getting a shot at aerobics with the two stunners was worth it to me even if I included all the money thrown away at the others. I obviously wouldn't argue this point against a seasoned vet but for 120 or 150 or 180 baht I believe it's worth a shot to see where it can take you.
Bingo. That's the way I do it also. There are only a couple of mamasans who take care of me and I return the favor. The ones that do nothing for me get nothing from me.Yeah this seems to be the approach I will take in the future. I definitely won't be buying lady drinks for mamasan at Ginza. I might try my luck at a new gogo. Windmill and what's up will always get my appreciation shown.
Banana Boi
11-18-18, 19:04
At what's up agogo last trip it helped me take a lady I was hot after. The night before a Japanese guy beat me to the punch but upon returning the next day Mamasan made it happen even though the lady didn't seem to want to go. Usually I would of stopped it there but mamasan insisted it would be fun. She was right! How do you know that the girl didn't seem to want to go with you? Said no when you offered a drink? Rolled her eyes when you made eye contact with her? I guess my line of thought is why not just buy the girl a lady drink and talk to the pretty girl you like instead of buying a drink or tipping an old fat mamasan.
Now your other example makes much more sense to me. If you receive 500 or 1000 baht off a barfine or you get midnight rate at 11 pm then yes that mamasan deserves a drink or a 100-200 baht tip.
I guess my line of thought is why not just buy the girl a lady drink and talk to the pretty girl you like instead of buying a drink or tipping an old fat mamasan.Not that it matters, but the mamasan I tip is very fuckable herself (I would definitely shag her). If a girl you like is sitting with another guy, you can ask the mamasan to go speak to her in Thai and tell her to come to you after she is done with that guy. Otherwise, there is a chance another guy will immediately grab her the second she steps away from that guy. Or like I mentioned, she could possibly pull a girl from the back room that you haven't even seen (the bars where they have shows sometimes have the hottest girls who do the shows sitting in the back room half the time). There are times tipping the mamasan is beneficial.
Sure, if the girl is available and in eye sight, you can offer to buy her a drink. It's not always that simple.
I also have one waitress I buy drinks for at another gogo (Crazy House) simply because she brings me the most in demand girls and it facilitates things. That bar gets crowded and it's tough to get to the girls before other guys do at times.Yes it makes sense to reward with drink or tip, those that give you special service and assistance. That will make them keen to serve well every time. I used to have my special waitress at CH too (S1 Aem slim with big tits but face a bit ordinary), but she left quite some time back now. Even had a Line contact so she could warn me if any of my old favourite "disappeared" girls might show up. This saved me attending at th wrong time. She now runs a minimart in another province (or is just a worker if she exaggerated the story). I am not keen on waitresses that come pleading for a drink when they have not yet done anything to deserve it though. So just ignore them.
It is fatal to reward anyone that you want to come pestering you, with a tip, e.g. the "fat old" at Billboard. Can't stand her. Better to ignore her.
A favourite waitress or mamasan does not need to be hot at all. After all, we are not going to fuck them. I had a really nice waitress at twisters (and knew her from a previous bar) who was quite fat and ordinary looking. However excellent to get the lowdown on certain girls and gossip. Old raspy voice LB Mamasan Taay from Suzie W (now Tilac) was always a good source of gossip for the whole of Soi Cowboy. She also knew my girl type, slim thighs with gap, slim face, high firm peachy ass, no sag bags and no surgeries preferred. Sometimes my waitresses can advice on which girls might have the right character to suit me, and also like Farang cock.
Banana Boi
11-19-18, 07:53
Not that it matters, but the mamasan I tip is very fuckable herself (I would definitely shag her). Yes of course that matters! No problem buying LD for hot staff. I used to always buy drinks for a gogo waitress and no one else at that gogo bar because the waitress was the only hot girl there. I just treated her like a gogo girl who never had to go on stage. Great DFK and fantastic tits that I had access to when no one was looking.
Not that it matters, but the mamasan I tip is very fuckable herself (I would definitely shag her). If a girl you like is sitting with another guy, you can ask the mamasan to go speak to her in Thai and tell her to come to you after she is done with that guy. Otherwise, there is a chance another guy will immediately grab her the second she steps away from that guy. Or like I mentioned, she could possibly pull a girl from the back room that you haven't even seen (the bars where they have shows sometimes have the hottest girls who do the shows sitting in the back room half the time). There are times tipping the mamasan is beneficial.
Sure, if the girl is available and in eye sight, you can offer to buy her a drink. It's not always that simple.Yes absolutely. Important to make a girl aware she is wanted by you so you can be next if her customer decides to leave. Much easier for girls when they know who wants them, except for the "rot fai laay kabuan chon gun", this quaint Thai expression means a crash of two or more trains, and refers to multiple guys all trying to get to same super hot girl.
If the girl is hot enough, "there are the quick and the losers". I used to almost grab one CH favourite as she entered the front door in civies, since I had a fair idea what time she normally arrived. I was well aware of the danger of letting some other guy get to her first. Fortunately she liked me well enough and was a screamer on the bed, but she probably had many guys that she liked too. In other cases you utilise staff to help notify a girl, if she is failing to look in your direction. If a girl does glance at me, it is pretty easy to give her the nod that she is wanted, or use a hand movement to indicate a drink for her. If knows you, she will have a fair idea if BF is likely too. On entry in civies, girls often do not take time to survey which customers are present, like they sheepishly dash to the change area, due to the lateness of arrival, or embarrassed to be over dressed perhaps.
Strangely, some girls even seem to get a bit stressed out when there are multiple guys all known to be wanting to take her. It would seem more stressful to me to have a lack of customers. Its clear she has to disappoint some of them, and she best decide which guy to choose and make her apologies to the others.
One Suzie W girl really appreciated me meeting her at 6.30PM for ST as a regular thing, since it did not cause clashes with her other customers. I did not even have to enter the bar mostly so saved on drinks. It increased her chance to be available greatly. She habitually did multiple STs per evening and rarely wanted to do a LT for obvious reasons, unless money offered was high and the LT was commencing at close to 2AM, or was a very valued customer.
I have been trying this website for a few weeks. I would say it is a lot of work for not much result.
Well prices are around 1500-2000 thb for a short time, far from the 3-4.000 in Cowboy, so it is rather cheap. Yes, but girls seem very picky and prefer not to deal with foreigner customer. I know because I have tried to contact same girls on Line with a Caucasian profile picture, and with a seemingly Thai. Much more answers in the latter case.
Yesterday that girl stood up on me.
https://finfanfan.com/post/minnee
She probably found it very funny to have me waiting in front of the hotel and then block me.
Freelance hookers are notoriously not reliable, but here there is one more difficulty.But now you see what the locals are paying and what quality they are getting. We are really being "had" in the scene that is directed at foreigners. That is why HK and Jakarta are still ok. When you are fishing in the same pond as the locals, it is a different and better game.
Member #4698
11-19-18, 11:13
But now you see what the locals are paying and what quality they are getting. We are really being "had" in the scene that is directed at foreigners. That is why HK and Jakarta are still ok. When you are fishing in the same pond as the locals, it is a different and better game.I was just in HK, Macau, Singapore, CGK and BKK. The Wanchai bar scene was dreadful comprised of amazingly low quality, fat, past their prime import girls (mostly Pinays) hoping for large money deposits. I found the Chinese 141 girly scene much better, although quality was far from cheap ie slightly more expensive at every price point than the BKK escort scene.
As for Jakarta: I really like Jakarta girls and its nightlife, but again quality does come at a significant price. This is NOT a Cheap Town although it was 15 to 20 years ago. I won't mention (ha ha) what a session with a Malio Club dancer goes for nowadays, but it is comparable in price to sideline La Belle girls in BKK although I do think the quality is higher in Malio. Of course Malio couch girls cost significantly less than the dancers as do the girls at the Emporium Hotel and other bordellos catering, as you point out, to mostly local customers. The price at most high level to medium level Jakarta bordellos ranges from slightly more than to slightly less than the price at oily massage parlors in BKK. Again, I think the quality is higher in Jakarta and on most nights I was the only farang in these establishments. But I do not like the cheap scene in Jakarta. Quality of service as well as girl quality is a major problem in the cheap, cheap places. You get what you pay for was never more true than in the Jakarta nightlife scene.
Lastly, and I only mention this because this scene is comprised of mostly Chinese, albeit, non local customers, Macau: where prices are the highest in Asia. Up 35% from 2016 when I was last there and yet the top saunas had no lack of price elastic customers. Kind of makes me think there is no limit to how high prices will eventually go in BKK or Jakarta not to mention Pattaya or Phnom Penh and AC.
My point to you is prices are up everywhere in major Asian metropolitan destinations and despite my strong positive feelings for Jakarta girls, I still find BKK to be overall a better place to punt long term. Feel free to disagree with me, but if I were to choose anywhere to live in metropolitan Asia, it would still be BKK. I think I would be very unhappy living full time in Jakarta unless I had a great, high paying job with an expense account. The only reason I will ever go back to HK is to catch the shortest duration flight back to east coast USA. Even Singapore is better than HK in terms of nightlife possibilities IMHO.
I was just in HK, Macau, Singapore, CGK and BKK. The Wanchai bar scene was dreadful comprised of amazingly low quality, fat, past their prime import girls (mostly Pinays) hoping for large money deposits...That was my reaction as well, when I first mongered in Wanchai, 6/7 years ago. Those Pinays, speaking decent English, targeted mostly foreign mongers and asked for an arm and a leg. One can go to the Philippines and get better quality at a fraction of the cost. I found the walk-in Chinese places in HK to be a much better deal for a quickie.
I have been trying this website for a few weeks. I would say it is a lot of work for not much result.
Well prices are around 1500-2000 thb for a short time, far from the 3-4.000 in Cowboy, so it is rather cheap. Yes, but girls seem very picky and prefer not to deal with foreigner customer. I know because I have tried to contact same girls on Line with a Caucasian profile picture, and with a seemingly Thai. Much more answers in the latter case.
Yesterday that girl stood up on me.
https://finfanfan.com/post/minnee
She probably found it very funny to have me waiting in front of the hotel and then block me.
Freelance hookers are notoriously not reliable, but here there is one more difficulty.Where is your Hotel? Might be too much effort for her to go there. Says she is located in Soi Lasalle (Lasaan) in Bering area (end of Sukhumvit BTS line or did it get extended again already?). Seems to say she accepts work in Bering, Samrong and Theparak areas.
Incidentally she says "No kissing, no ass, no raw, of any type" which suggests she would do CBJ most likely. Her Thai is a little difficult as includes obvious spelling errors but not always clear what it should read. There is a phrase "suck raw up" suggesting perhaps BBBJ is on after all, so her specs even seem contradictory at times. It is not good Thai. Her education level maybe poor.
"Not outside. No go room" Does it mean she won't go to your room, or using her room is not possible? Not very clear really. Presumably at least means not outside her area. I would guess you have to have a room close by or use her prescribed room , and that will cost you extra. She also wants to see a real pic of the customer. Her body and face type does suit to me. This a model type of look for me and has no baby. I would go to her location if she assured me she likes Farang and not scared of dick. I would not be keen to pay first though in case of scam. 1700 for 90 mins with 2 pops sounds like a good option though. Cost to get there and back could be fairly cheap if go on the BTS to Bering and motorcycle from there. Taxi both ways could cost almost 400 baht more from lower Sukhumvit. For some reason she gives her Kasigorn account number like to transfer money to her. I guess customer can pay this way instead of cash. Ha ha. The web site states clearly that you should not transfer money under any circumstances. (scam alert)
I would even offer her a bonus for extra good service, e.g. GFE style.
You could well have come unstuck due to communication issues, but I can't know that for sure. I would certainly make a voice call with the girl and chat briefly to gauge attitudes.
Getting a fuck in Bangkok is like shooting fish in a barrel if you go to places catering for Farang. If you have no Thai language, girls with low English ability may think too much effort, or they may think Farangs have painful cocks and want to fuck for 90 minutes (ha ha). I want to fuck at least 60.
So I think Fin Fan Fan is not really suited to the average Farang punter. However if you want all the hard work, go for it. For me, too much effort defeats the cheapness of the girl, and a low price usually = "quickie" in my experience.
I have not bothered to try Fin Fan Fan as yet, and that is despite my ability to read and write in Thai messaging.
If anyone has found it productive, would be interesting. I think only for those with a lot of experience.
I was just in HK, Macau, Singapore, CGK and BKK. The Wanchai bar scene was dreadful comprised of amazingly low quality, fat, past their prime import girls (mostly Pinays) hoping for large money deposits. I found the Chinese 141 girly scene much better, although quality was far from cheap ie slightly more expensive at every price point than the BKK escort scene.
As for Jakarta: I really like Jakarta girls and its nightlife, but again quality does come at a significant price. This is NOT a Cheap Town although it was 15 to 20 years ago. I won't mention (ha ha) what a session with a Malio Club dancer goes for nowadays, but it is comparable in price to sideline La Belle girls in BKK although I do think the quality is higher in Malio. Of course Malio couch girls cost significantly less than the dancers as do the girls at the Emporium Hotel and other bordellos catering, as you point out, to mostly local customers. The price at most high level to medium level Jakarta bordellos ranges from slightly more than to slightly less than the price at oily massage parlors in BKK. Again, I think the quality is higher in Jakarta and on most nights I was the only farang in these establishments. But I do not like the cheap scene in Jakarta. Quality of service as well as girl quality is a major problem in the cheap, cheap places. You get what you pay for was never more true than in the Jakarta nightlife scene.
Lastly, and I only mention this because this scene is comprised of mostly Chinese, albeit, non local customers, Macau: where prices are the highest in Asia. Up 35% from 2016 when I was last there and yet the top saunas had no lack of price elastic customers. Kind of makes me think there is no limit to how high prices will eventually go in BKK or Jakarta not to mention Pattaya or Phnom Penh and AC.
My point to you is prices are up everywhere in major Asian metropolitan destinations and despite my strong positive feelings for Jakarta girls, I still find BKK to be overall a better place to punt long term. Feel free to disagree with me, but if I were to choose anywhere to live in metropolitan Asia, it would still be BKK. I think I would be very unhappy living full time in Jakarta unless I had a great, high paying job with an expense account. The only reason I will ever go back to HK is to catch the shortest duration flight back to east coast USA. Even Singapore is better than HK in terms of nightlife possibilities IMHO.Travel and Classic; still a good gal for what the equivalent of less than 1 k Baht. I would not want to live in Jakarta. What preserves the scene is there are very few tourists.
Member #4698
11-19-18, 19:11
Travel and Classic; still a good gal for what the equivalent of less than 1 k Baht. What preserves the scene is there are very few tourists.Maybe, sometimes, once in a while. The problem I have with Travel & Classic is once you find a good looking gal you still don't know what kind of service you are going to receive in the room. It is a crap shoot therefor consistency of decent service is a real problem in these two establishments.
So rather than waste time (time is money) and valuable jism I prefer places like Emporium, a mid level bordello, where you can find attractive girls and a more consistent high level of service. Prices start at Emporium at 900,000 idr (2000 baht) for regular girls and then go up to 1,200,000 idr (2700 baht) for the VIP girls. I wish I could report differently, but on every one of my visits the cute girls were in the VIP section and I noticed that most of the Indonesian customers felt the same way. As I posted earlier 3 of my 4 VIP Emporium girls were memorable and absolutely repeat worthy. Sadly, I only repeated with one of them.
Top end Malio Club and Malioboro Lounge have couch girls too, some of whom are very attractive. Over the years I have had some great sessions with these girls and only 1 mediocre session that I can recall. That is a high level of consistency. Malio & Malioboro prices start at 900,000 idr (2000 baht), then 1,100,000 idr (2500 baht) for preferred Indonesian couch girls, then rise to 1,700,000 idr (3800 baht) for Malioboro dancers, 2,000,000 idr (4500 baht) for some Malio Dancers to 3,000,000 idr (6800 baht) for other Malio Dancers. Don't ask me what the difference in Malio dancers is. So clearly one can see the two lines of distinction: couch girls are priced similar to BKK oily massage girls and the dancers are priced similar to BKK soapy sideline girls. I have left out the Imports which are priced at 2,200,000 idr (5000 baht). While in Jakarta I took a sexy, Asiatic looking, Kazak Malioboro girl upstairs one night and had a great time with her.
My conclusion is Jakarta prices are very similar to BKK prices. One might think there is higher quality of girls and service in Jakarta. Maybe, but I think there are great girls in both cities. You just have to look around. Travel & Classic girls are priced at the low end. This does not mean there are not some attractive girls there giving good service. There are. Just as there are some attractive girls giving good service on Soi 6 in Pattaya, just not that many to suit my taste. 555. But I am glad there is a Classic Hotel and a Soi 6 even though I rarely partake. I enjoy window shopping on Soi 6 and believe me I am ready to make a move should I spot a looker. I spotted one on my last visit, but another punter got to her seconds before me. HA HA. The rest of the time I did not see any other girls in her league so I found what I was looking for on Walking Street. All's well that ends well.
Crocodilexp
11-19-18, 19:38
I was just in HK, Macau, Singapore, CGK and BKK. The Wanchai bar scene was dreadful comprised of amazingly low quality, fat, past their prime import girls (mostly Pinays) hoping for large money deposits. I found the Chinese 141 girly scene much better, although quality was far from cheap ie slightly more expensive at every price point than the BKK escort scene.Great comparison post, it's an interesting topic. Wanchai bars are a dying scene for expats set in their western ways. Sex with streetwalkers can be had in Hong Kong for as low as 200 HKD which is 850 baht (though more typically 300 HKD), and yes, that's 2018 prices. There are quite a few along Temple St market and Shanghai St. The sessions are in nearby buildings (often cramped and run down, but HK rooms are expensive) and the service is most often basic, but with a bit of chemistry it could be surprisingly decent (for me, it's about 50:50 chance of basic vs good). As for 141's, while HK island is expensive (600 HKD), in areas such as Sham Shui Po, you can easily find 141's for 400 HKD or so, a great value considering other prices in the city.
As for Jakarta: I really like Jakarta girls and its nightlife, but again quality does come at a significant price.Jakarta has a few widely scattered sex venues, but I just can't bring myself to 1-2 million IDR on a wham-bam within mafia-controlled premises (like at Malio or former Alexis). In Indonesia, a million IDR is a huge amount of money, more than the weekly earnings for the majority of the locals. Sure, the girls might be good looking, but service and attitude is too inconsistent for the price. Moreover, the places are too obviously mafia-run and tightly controlled, and the girl is processing 5-15 sausages per day, so the chance of any semi-genuine connection or even convincingly faked good vibes is way lower than in Bangkok, where girls are mostly free, and get less mileage. Even if you magically liked each other, she's not going to go to your hotel or stick around for longer than the venue times the session. That type of thing is fine for 400 k IDR (1000 baht) in Travel or Classic (though service is abysmal), but for me, not ok for 3-5 times the money.
I haven't been to Macau, but I think the market is anomalous due to gambling. The customers there are extremely price elastic and don't give a shit on how much money they burn, as long as they're having a good time. After burning a $10 k for nothing (gambling it away, for the thrillz), dropping $300-$500 for a fuck seems like a great value. Other scenes, especially those geared mainly towards the locals, are usually way more price sensitive.
My point to you is prices are up everywhere in major Asian metropolitan destinations
Not in the local, low-end and midrange scenes. You can easily get laid in HK for 200-400 HKD (800-1600 baht), in KL for 50-200 MYR (400-1500 baht), in Jakarta for 400 IDR (900 baht). Bangkok does not compare favorably at all.
despite my strong positive feelings for Jakarta girls, I still find BKK to be overall a better place to punt long termUnfortunately, I have to agree. For a casual visitor, Bangkok or Pattaya are better sex scenes than almost all other cities in Asia, due to accessibility, the type and variety of venues, the quality of service as well as the general atmosphere (freedom of choice, not being stuck in some mafia-run meet market or very seedy local-only spot). Sadly, this is true despite Thailand sex scene being much worse than 10 years ago, with prices 2-3 times higher, far worse selection and lower fun factor. I do wonder why the paid sex scene is seemingly on the decline everywhere (in Asia and Europe, at least).
For a resident expat, though, Thailand is a shadow of its former self. The sex scene is getting worse every month, we're scraping the bottom of the barrel of Thai women in terms of looks. Even if it's still technically better than other places, the taste of disappointment is difficult to wash away. Going rates are now high enough that even though I can afford them, I always wonder if I should just jerk off and do something more fun with my money, and the answer is usually yes (with the exception of a few venues like Tulip or Snow White).
Member #4698
11-19-18, 19:42
Good Discussion guys. I appreciate your point of view Crocodilexp.
So I am doing my first trip to Southeast Asia (Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam) and while I intend to date non pros and go for a few bangs that way, I have a side mission: namely have a-level with at least 10 different girls around the age of 19. After reading about five or six hundred reports in this thread, it seems like it's not too hard to get, but I had some questions:
1 How do I ask if a girl does anal? "Boom boom ass"?
2 Do I ask during initial negotiations or later? If I ask early do I risk losing girls who would have agreed to it later?
3 Does the average gogo girl or MP offer backdoor?
4 If I'm looking for around age 19 what venue is best? Gogo? KTV? Freelance? Internet?
5 In terms of non-pros, is anal common / normal?
6 Any specific bar good for young freelancers?
Blanquiceleste
11-20-18, 01:58
Good Discussion guys. I appreciate your point of view Crocodilexp.Could you please clear your PM Inbox Natty? Thanks.
So I am doing my first trip to Southeast Asia (Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam) and while I intend to date non pros and go for a few bangs that way, I have a side mission: namely have a-level with at least 10 different girls around the age of 19. After reading about five or six hundred reports in this thread, it seems like it's not too hard to get, but I had some questions:
1 How do I ask if a girl does anal? "Boom boom ass"?
2 Do I ask during initial negotiations or later? If I ask early do I risk losing girls who would have agreed to it later?
3 Does the average gogo girl or MP offer backdoor?
4 If I'm looking for around age 19 what venue is best? Gogo? KTV? Freelance? Internet?
5 In terms of non-pros, is anal common / normal?
6 Any specific bar good for young freelancers?My best answers.
1/ Do not ask just do.
2/ If Non Pro there should be no negotiations.
3/ I have never had a Gogo girl offer anal, I have by freelancers. This you can negotiate before you bar fine.
4/ I am not 100% sure of Thai law to what the age of consent is, some hotels will not allow you to take a girl under the age of 20 into your room. There are 19 yo everywhere but some girls lie about there age believe it or not.
5/ I have had some non pros offer their ass but if they have been around they will not.
6/ No.
Have you done any research on dating apps and started to meet some girls to test the waters?
3/ I have never had a Gogo girl offer analThe gogo across the street from Baccara right at the end next to that restaurant used to have some girls who would offer up anal as standard service. I'm not sure why that was, but the girls acted like they hadn't done their job until you had done their backside as well as their front. (and no, they were not lady boys) I'm not big into anal, but the girls acted like I needed to do that so I did. They also had an awesome lesbian show at that bar. I think the bar was called Our Place or something like that at the time. This was around 2007 or 2008 I believe. Then the arab bought the place and it turned to a worthless place with coyotes and no shows.
As for Jakarta: I really like Jakarta girls and its nightlife, but again quality does come at a significant price. This is NOT a Cheap Town although it was 15 to 20 years ago. One thing that often gets left out of price increase or comparison discussions is the spread. Over time this has widened considerably and there is now a much larger difference between new players and the higher end girls.
The current Jakarta girls in this discussion range from 500 k to 3 million, a 6 x spread. There was a time when any Blok M girl could be had for 100 k and a 5 star stunner would be laughed at for asking anymore than 250 k.
The other regions I play in have seen a similar widening of the market so it pays to know what the market rates are and where you want to play. 😁.
New girls are learning a little English, how to apply some make up and after buying a few sexy dresses are seeking multiples of what there starting rates were. Often ST only, CBJ and the like are now requirements as well. 😭.
One thing that often gets left out of price increase or comparison discussions is the spread. Over time this has widened considerably and there is now a much larger difference between new players and the higher end girls.
The current Jakarta girls in this discussion range from 500 k to 3 million, a 6 x spread. There was a time when any Blok M girl could be had for 100 k and a 5 star stunner would be laughed at for asking anymore than 250 k.For Jakarta, if you go all the way back to when it was 100 k, the exchange rate at that time was 2500 to 1. Now it's 14500 to 1 (almost 6 times better exchange rate). If you multiply that 100 k by 5 or 6, you will get the actual comparison. So it equates to about 500 or 600 k now. The going rate is about 1000 k now, so prices have about doubled since then. They have gone up more than that in Thailand.
Indonesia is cheaper than Thailand because of that exchange rate. 14,500 to 1 is a fantastic rate. When I first came to Thailand in 1999, the rate was 47 to 1 for the THB. It is now a worse rate than that, so not only have prices increased, but the rate have gotten worse. I find Thailand to be pretty expensive these days, but I still like it.
3/ I have never had a Gogo girl offer anal, I have by freelancers. This you can negotiate before you bar fine.
4/ I am not 100% sure of Thai law to what the age of consent is, some hotels will not allow you to take a girl under the age of 20 into your room. There are 19 yo everywhere but some girls lie about there age believe it or not.
Have you done any research on dating apps and started to meet some girls to test the waters?Thank you very much. I really appreciate that you took the time to answer those questions.
I have done some research on dating apps, but most of what I have been pointed to is Thaifriendly, Thaicupid, and Tinder. Any advice on which ones you recommend would be great. I am going there early December so I think now is a bit too soon to start getting connections. To give an idea of my situation, I am a younger man, usually popular with women, and have a promising career. So I hope that the dating scene will not prove that difficult and that I can pickup some non-pros. But I want to enjoy the red light experience to the fullest.
Your advice on age is really good. 20 is fine by me and young enough. I'd rather avoid legal landmines. When in foreign countries, I like to respect their laws and avoid any unnecessary risks. One question I had is that you said that you have not had gogo girls offer anal- do you mean that as in "they have never been the one to bring it up" or as in "they have not been willing to do it"?
So rather than waste time (time is money) and valuable jism I prefer places like Emporium, a mid level bordello, where you can find attractive girls and a more consistent high level of service. Prices start at Emporium at 900,000 idr (2000 baht) for regular girls and then go up to 1,200,000 idr (2700 baht) for the VIP girls. I wish I could report differently, but on every one of my visits the cute girls were in the VIP section and I noticed that most of the Indonesian customers felt the same way. As I posted earlier 3 of my 4 VIP Emporium girls were memorable and absolutely repeat worthy. Sadly, I only repeated with one of them.
Top end Malio Club and Malioboro Lounge have couch girls too, some of whom are very attractive. Over the years I have had some great sessions with these girls and only 1 mediocre session that I can recall. That is a high level of consistency. Malio & Malioboro prices start at 900,000 idr (2000 baht), then 1,100,000 idr (2500 baht) for preferred Indonesian couch girls, then rise to 1,700,000 idr (3800 baht) for Malioboro dancers, 2,000,000 idr (4500 baht) for some Malio Dancers to 3,000,000 idr (6800 baht) for other Malio Dancers. Don't ask me what the difference in Malio dancers is. So clearly one can see the two lines of distinction: couch girls are priced similar to BKK oily massage girls and the dancers are priced similar to BKK soapy sideline girls. I have left out the Imports which are priced at 2,200,000 idr (5000 baht). While in Jakarta I took a sexy, Asiatic looking, Kazak Malioboro girl upstairs one night and had a great time with her.
My conclusion is Jakarta prices are very similar to BKK prices. One might think there is higher quality of girls and service in Jakarta.Natty, from your posting on prices, Jakarta is still cheaper than BKK for the quality. GoGo gal is going to want 3 k ST and BF will be 1 k, add in drinks, ST hotel, and you are in excess of the 4500 you would spend on a "top-end" gal at Malio or 'Boro. Also BKK lacks the middle. Many of the old hags at the Beergarden are crowing for 2 k now. Gals in Thermae want 3 k and it is sometimes tough to get them down to 2. 5. SW and Tulip are great for performance, but yesh, looks are well below par. Also, seems gals in Jakarta are less likely to have a kid. You could also say the same for most of the 141 gals in HK. So you do tend to get better looking gals in those two cities than you do in BKK for the same money.
Guess it depends what you are looking for. I am not into GFE and don't need a sweetheart. I want a nasty 60 to 90 min, then I'm done.
For a resident expat, though, Thailand is a shadow of its former self. The sex scene is getting worse every month, we're scraping the bottom of the barrel of Thai women in terms of looks. Even if it's still technically better than other places, the taste of disappointment is difficult to wash away. Going rates are now high enough that even though I can afford them, I always wonder if I should just jerk off and do something more fun with my money, and the answer is usually yes (with the exception of a few venues like Tulip or Snow White).Yep, it blows, and not literally. I'm with you. Love your quote from a few months back, "I'd rather spend the 2 k on a great meal and go home for a wank. " What used to be a three to four times a week habit has decreased to once or twice a month. Most of the time even with the small frequency I am disappointed. Really wish Tulip and SW would up the looks a bit. Don't think that will be.
For Jakarta, if you go all the way back to when it was 100 k, the exchange rate at that time was 2500 to 1. Now it's 14500 to 1 (almost 6 times better exchange rate). If you multiply that 100 k by 5 or 6, you will get the actual comparison. So it equates to about 500 or 600 k now. The going rate is about 1000 k now, so prices have about doubled since then. They have gone up more than that in Thailand.
Indonesia is cheaper than Thailand because of that exchange rate. 14,500 to 1 is a fantastic rate. When I first came to Thailand in 1999, the rate was 47 to 1 for the THB. It is now a worse rate than that, so not only have prices increased, but the rate have gotten worse. I find Thailand to be pretty expensive these days, but I still like it.The intent of my post was that the spread of prices, fresh to hardened girls, had widened along with the absolute price increases.
FWIW, I know we have debated this in PMs but for others, my prices were as at the start of the Asian crisis when the exchange rate had collapsed to ~10 k: 1. Unfortunately, 2500 forex rates were before my time😭.
my prices were as at the start of the Asian crisis when the exchange rate had collapsed to ~10 k: 1. It would be nice to gauge all prices on a currency crisis. Unfortunately that didn't last long in Indonesia. It started in early 1998 and by the time I arrived in October of 1998 the rate was 6600 to 1 (and girls were 200 k at blok m at that time).
Venezuela has a crisis going on now though. It's surprising people aren't flocking from Thailand to Venezuela to get the cheap deals.
Pointy Stick
11-20-18, 11:11
Venezuela has a crisis going on now though. It's surprising people aren't flocking from Thailand to Venezuela to get the cheap deals.https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=23791
I'd rather stay in Sydney and pay Oz prices than deal with people who would stab you for a can of sardines. Price isn't everything.
https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=23791
I'd rather stay in Sydney and pay Oz prices than deal with people who would stab you for a can of sardines. Price isn't everything.What are Oz prices, out of curiosity? $200 (5000 Baht) for 30 minutes? Or even more? Just a wild guess. In Thailand could get the whole night maybe? In Oz you have to do Asian girls to get any chance of a good time and reasonable price, is that right?
Are rub and tug joints, the way to go in Oz?
The gogo across the street from Baccara right at the end next to that restaurant used to have some girls who would offer up anal as standard service. I'm not sure why that was, but the girls acted like they hadn't done their job until you had done their backside as well as their front. (and no, they were not lady boys) I'm not big into anal, but the girls acted like I needed to do that so I did. They also had an awesome lesbian show at that bar. I think the bar was called Our Place or something like that at the time. This was around 2007 or 2008 I believe. Then the arab bought the place and it turned to a worthless place with coyotes and no shows.Joy Ngwen maybe the name? Probably was associated with Suzie Wong at a guess.
Restaurant was Old Dutch there for many many years. Rumour that Crazy House make take over next year when Old Dutch lease ends.
Correction. It seems that "Our Place" was in between Joy Ngwen and Old Dutch. I never entered Our Place from memory. Smallish I guess.
https://www.stickmanbangkok.com/weekly-column/2015/02/soi-cowboy-same-same-but-different/
My favourite bar was Sheba till it closed about 5+ years ago. A lot of fun staff, whether dancing or not. Before that I had liked Suzie Wong and Long Gun. After Sheba closed I was forced back to Suzie Wong until Crazy House took over my interest.
Strangely I sometimes went to Shark now in last 2 years, yet I had hated it, its music, and the way the dancers just shuffled a few years earlier. Girls had had horrible hair styles like Bacarrat. Shark at some point did a complete change and moderated to become a little bit closer to older style bars (unfortunately without nude girls), with better music for the old timers, and surgeries levels actually declined (somewhat).
Even more strangely I never became acquainted with the Cowboy Annex bars (completely gone now) at all in the years 1998 to 2003 or so, as I had a girlfriend for the period and did not get to sneek out much at night. before those years I had been mainly to Nana Plaza when it had full nudity. So I returned to the Cowboy only when I became aware it had full nudity and Nana did not any more, a few years late, like maybe 2004. By 2004 to 2006 bargirl prices had jumped significantly, but I did not know when it had happened, being away from bars for so long. I had come back with no clue of the going rate.
Where can I get Viagra not generic. Anyone have a pharmacy that want hassle about script. I will be staying a land mark for couple days then on to lebua tower. RTFF but would like update nowhere to go for the Viagra. Will be in BKK from Dec. 15 till Jan 8 see ya out there.
Joy Ngwen maybe the name? Probably was associated with Suzie Wong at a guess.
Restaurant was Old Dutch there for many many years. Rumour that Crazy House make take over next year when Old Dutch lease ends.
Correction. It seems that "Our Place" was in between Joy Ngwen and Old Dutch. I never entered Our Place from memory. Smallish I guess.
https://www.stickmanbangkok.com/weekly-column/2015/02/soi-cowboy-same-same-but-different/
My favourite bar was Sheba till it closed about 5+ years ago. A lot of fun staff, whether dancing or not. Strangely I can't even remember Joy Ngwen. Maybe that's the place that is now that lady boy bar. Our place was right next door to the Old Dutch restaurant, there wasn't another gogo bar after it on the strip. I remember the girls at Our Place weren't allowed to get french fries from that restaurant because the owner had a falling out with that restaurant, LOL. I also liked Sheba back then, they had good shows and a good lesbian show as well. The one girl with the big silicone tits was kind of their superstar at that time. I think her name was Jay or something like that. I took her a few times, but I took a lot of girls from that bar. Our Place was my favorite back then, but Shebas was close behind.
https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=23791
I'd rather stay in Sydney and pay Oz prices than deal with people who would stab you for a can of sardines. Price isn't everything.I would avoid Caracas, but Margarita is still an option.
For old times sake, I went into Mandarin, upstairs, on Monday night. Haven't been in their in 5 years? After putting pushy Mamasan in her place and getting a frosty beverage, I watched the talent. There were a few skinny eels there that caught my eye, but not with a 1500 Coyote bar fine, no thanks. Maybe Ill go back and buy one a lady drink and slip her my card.
For those of you in the quick gobble department, the talent was atrocious looking at Magic Table, Kasalong, [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900), and Dr. Wood. A mouth is a mouth I reckon, but it should have some attractiveness around it, otherwise just roll down to Sanam Luang.
The ones outside of Eden Club made my little head go Turtle.
I feel my inner pervert stirring. Its been too hot here and wandering around Suk makes me sweat. I feel a Pattaya trip upcoming.
Strangely I can't even remember Joy Ngwen. Maybe that's the place that is now that lady boy bar. Our place was right next door to the Old Dutch restaurant, there wasn't another gogo bar after it on the strip. I remember the girls at Our Place weren't allowed to get french fries from that restaurant because the owner had a falling out with that restaurant, LOL. I also liked Sheba back then, they had good shows and a good lesbian show as well. The one girl with the big silicone tits was kind of their superstar at that time. I think her name was Jay or something like that. I took her a few times, but I took a lot of girls from that bar. Our Place was my favorite back then, but Shebas was close behind.I can't remember taking any girls with silicone in Sheba back in that era 2005 to 2008, or ever for that matter. Perhaps I was not yet attending Sheba. Would have to look at my old Sheba reports to see when I first started there. Joy Ngwen was definitely right next to Our Place, later was renamed just Joy, and as you say possibly is now Cockatoo if it is not in in "Our Place" premise. I would be surprised in had no go go dancers although was a very small bar.
Early 2000's Noi was tall pretty and tall (170) model type in Long Gun with great natural "see-Cups". I like tits like that. It's all about the beauty of the shape of tits for me more so than the size. So usually silicones causes distorted ugly shape for me unless girl really had quite good amounts of tit flesh already and silicone is down deep. I do take silicones girls but has to be a good job, not too hard and not too pointy or like coconuts. That eliminates about 90% of tit jobs for me. Similarly I eliminate over 90% of the bad nose jobs that look so silly. A good professional job still looks fine. I just like the curves and shapes to be almost natural looking and having beauty. It's not about wanting a big nose or big tits for me. Yet I would love to do Lucy "Buffy" Wilde the pornstar with enormous tits, because they are natural AFAIK, she has a sweet face, beautiful pussy, and slimmish thighs. Normally I am liking pornstars of pretty skinny model type, possibly with darker skin no problem. I have one regular girl with implants and another with a nose job (a good one). So not automatically ruled out at all. It's just that so many bad ugly jobs are around.
I think Sheba was a bar very low for surgeries when I went there.
VictorTheo
11-21-18, 06:28
I thought to seek some advice from the seniors here. While I am quite familiar with Bangkok, oilies, go go bars etc, this time am going with a group of friends. Any recommendations of night clubs, fishbowls which let folks rent a private area for an intimate party with a set of girls etc. Since never needed to use this facility at any of the places I frequented. Mostly 1 to 1 action.
Like we have those VIP areas in strip clubs. Or like demonia used to. Of course if things get hotter I am aware most of the bars have short term rooms for use for pay.
I guess we could always get the ladies to our hotel suites etc but that gets messy sometimes.
Any advice would be appreciated.
I would love to do Lucy "Buffy" Wilde the pornstar with enormous tits, because they are natural AFAIK, she has a sweet face, beautiful pussy, and slimmish thighs. I think she is hot as hell to look at (I don't like the look of her pussy though, it's just a slit, i like a meaty pussy). But her tits are too soft and she is perhaps the most boring porn star I have ever seen. She's lucky she's hot because she's basically a dead fuck on camera. No personality.
I met her back in 2012, via ThaiFriendly, we dated a few times then spent a bit of time together. Then she dumped me! LOL.
She was 22, and I met her in Bangkok, on our first date we met at a branch of Swensens, the ice-cream parlor.
Anyway, here's a few pics.
(I'll try and post some more in a day or two.).Here's those other pics.
Pointy Stick
11-21-18, 09:46
What are Oz prices, out of curiosity? $200 (5000 Baht) for 30 minutes? Or even more? Just a wild guess. In Thailand could get the whole night maybe? In Oz you have to do Asian girls to get any chance of a good time and reasonable price, is that right?
Are rub and tug joints, the way to go in Oz?European Girls FS:
High end escort are $500-800 ph.
High end parlours are $400 ph.
Lower end MPs are 200 ph while the mature places are 250.
Asian: around 150 ph at the cheap end while more high end places 300 ph.
NSW is better than VIC as the prostitution is decriminalised and its cheaper in general. VIC is overpriced for RnTs as you can get FS for the same price or cheaper in NSW.
Executive summary:
You can get 30 minutes of FS at a cheap Asian place for $70-90. Its kinda pointless to go to LOS in a way with prices like this.
However because Oz had mass immigration from Europe in the past 60 years you can sample girls from many different countries without having to go to Europe. We also have a lot of backpackers working in various capacities as Sydney is an expensive place to live.
However if you really want a good deal on European chicks and Brazilian NZ is probably the best place to go as the prices are cheaper than Oz and for the Brazilians its easier to get a visa (and their prices are about 50% of what they would ask in Sydney). I would link to the site but it also runs a forum which competes with this one which is a no no.
Pointy Stick
11-21-18, 09:54
I would avoid Caracas, but Margarita is still an option.You're actually better off going to Colombia given that it has the most Venezuelan refugees. Most mongers want something to do and see outside of fucking (which constitutes most of their day) so unless they are into apocalyptic tourism and watching a country decline into savager while risking their lives for nothing Venezuela as a whole isn't worth the currency they print.
Member #4698
11-21-18, 14:53
I think she is hot as hell to look at (I don't like the look of her pussy though, it's just a slit, i like a meaty pussy). But her tits are too soft and she is perhaps the most boring porn star I have ever seen. She's lucky she's hot because she's basically a dead fuck on camera. No personality.
I would love to do Lucy "Buffy" Wilde the pornstar with enormous tits, because they are natural AFAIK, she has a sweet face, beautiful pussy, and slimmish thighs.My take on Lucy "Buffy" Wilde: No fucking way! I find her totally undo able. I would need three fresh 714's (Ludes) to do her and then I would do her real good. 555. Naturally large does not equate with sexy IMO. But rock on guys. It is interesting & humorous sometimes when opinions diverge.
Here is a Latina porn star from my SA days that I still find attractive. She has a nice size pair of boobs. Are they too small for this category? If so I will rummage through my hard drive for a larger yet still attractive girl.
My take on Lucy "Buffy" Wilde: No fucking way! I find her totally undo able. I would need three fresh 714's (Ludes) to do her and then I would do her real good. 555. Naturally large does not equate with sexy IMO. But rock on guys. It is interesting & humorous sometimes when opinions diverge.
Here is a Latina porn star I find attractive with nice size boobs. Are they too small for this category? If so I will rummage through my hard drive for a larger yet still attractive girl.Nice boobs on that Latina, Natty. Although not Dees she looks like fun.
MongerForSex
11-21-18, 20:04
Is it possible to find some beautiful Vietnamese hookers in Bangkok, I plan on going to Thailand in January for 6 weeks. I can pay 10 000 bahts for beautiful Vietnamese or Chinese women long term. I ll visit Thailand for vacational purpose, because it's a beautiful country and there are many things to do outside of mongering scenes. So if I don't fuck any girl I won't be sad when I leave Thailand.
I read Thai hookers are not good looking. Most Chinese hookers were ugly in China and Hong Kong unlike Chinese normal women, I ent up fucking a Russian hooker in China and a Colombian hooker in Hong Kong. I am still virgin for Asian women except for Japanese Brazilians.
Member #4591
11-22-18, 08:02
Is it possible to find some beautiful Vietnamese hookers in Bangkok, I plan on going to Thailand in January for 6 weeks. I can pay 10 000 bahts for beautiful Vietnamese or Chinese women long term. I ll visit Thailand for vacational purpose, because it's a beautiful country and there are many things to do outside of mongering scenes. So if I don't fuck any girl I won't be sad when I leave Thailand.
I read Thai hookers are not good looking. Most Chinese hookers were ugly in China and Hong Kong unlike Chinese normal women, I ent up fucking a Russian hooker in China and a Colombian hooker in Hong Kong. I am still virgin for Asian women except for Japanese Brazilians.Please RTFF in the Foreign sex workers thread and you will see my post on this exact topic. Use the search function as well. It will cost 3000ST during the day and about 6000ST during the evening.
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