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Thermae was wonderful Wed night, not top crowded and I got a bunch of Line IDs.There were many good looking girls in Thermae last night, too (Thursday). My friend and I, both Caucasian, got a lot of encouraging smiles, not from every girl in the place or all of the top 10 best lookers, but from many of the very doable ones, imo.
We kind of popped in and out of Thermae as we were exploring the area for other reasons and were mostly just interested in having a drink, relaxing, surveying the talent and observing the proceedings. Not particularly driven to take a girl that time.
I noticed a pattern that I have seen a few times. My experience was already that from about 9:15 pm to 10:15 pm the girls are more receptive to a Caucasian customer option. Seems that way to me, at least. Then by 10:30 PM a big crowd of Asian guys start parading through and that is a big distraction for the girls from the Caucasian customer option. But that parade starts to die out around 12 Midnight and Caucasians go back to becoming interesting to the better looking girls again.
Not sure if there is any observable pattern (for me) after 1 AM or so because we were out of there by then.
Visited Levels couple times during my recent trip.
Its on Soi11, towards the end (Insanity is slightly further after turning left at T). Entrance 300 B, includes a drink, drinks are minimum 250 B. So essentially entrance is covering you for a drink.
The scene is good, mostly starts late- midnight and beyond. You have good variety Pros / Pro-Ams / Ams. I would rate overall quality 7 and above. The band is good, and very good dancers too.
I reached midnight, there were some hotties or rather girls that attracted my attention:
- First one, was with few friends- giggling & cackling, completely ignored my 'minor overtures', was not seemingly attached to any guy (s).
- Second one, exact same story.
- Third one similar story, in this case there was a guy feeding them drinks. But was not making much progress, the guy finally gave up and walked away- took him an hour+. I tried harder for this one but no success at all.
Only consolation to my lack of success, nobody else was succeeding either. Moreever no idea what was going on with these chics - could have been pure Ams - and/or did not find any of us attractive enough. Move On.
Now the 4th one- very young good looking chick, mid 20's, very fair, blondish/dyed(?) hair. Was with a couple of friends and a couple of guys- who were buying them drinks. And she was very busy Texting (as expected) and of course ignoring me completely. It was getting late 2:30, I was tired and drunk. I approached her directly and she just came over, collecting her a bags and drinks from other table. Her friends also came by and Intro'd.
Short conversation for a while, and asked her if she wanted to go out- she readily agreed. No talk of money no nothing.
Walked her to my nearby hotel Ambassador (Its a good hotel, they charge 100 B for night girl).
She was more than great with everything- no BS of any kind. I had hit a rare and major jackpot with her.
In the morning she was dressed and was ready to go, it seems she had a regular job that she needed to get to. She reluctantly / shyly asked for money, I have her 2. 5 K. That is all the cash I had in my wallet. She happily took it, asked me if I would like to see here again- I said yes. Met her next 2 days- Dinner, breakfast and another trip to Levels. Paid her couple of Ks each day, she took that happily (and shyly).
I tried to induce her to call her friends over to the party - somehow could not exactly convey/convince her into it. She had poor English, Google Translate could help only that much.
As it turns out, she has regular job and family, mixed parentage American-Thai, university educated, no child, no previous marriage (as she stated). She gave the impression of falling in love with me- I am twice her age, I am decent looking but late 50's is late 50's (she is late 20's). And finally she actually came to drop me at the airport.
So had a great experience, sometimes you do can find gems.
So likely joints like Levels attract all kinds of girls: Pros / Pro-Ams / Ams. You have to work a bit on them, and then get lucky.
I don't go to Go-Go bars, SWs yes - did notice a couple of good ones. But if places like Levels etc can do the trick - I could just stick to them.
Levels vs Insanity- I did not visit Insanity, it is next doors, same ownership, the charges are the same, based on general talk- Levels is described as a lot better.
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As it turns out, she has regular job and family, mixed parentage American-Thai, university educated. She gave the impression of falling in love with me- I am twice her age, I am decent looking but late 50's is late 50's (she is late 20's). And finally she actually came to drop me at the airport.
So had a great experience, sometimes you do can find gems.
-snip-Thanks for the report. Hey, it is not unheard of for attractive Thai girls in their very early 20's to give the impression of falling in love with men three times their age, much less twice their age! haha. And very likely mean it, even pass the "no money" test over and over again.
At late 20's, your girl probably is very much looking to find a well put together older non Thai man who will be a life partner, supporter, around for her in the future in some way. She is way past her "Sell By" date in the eyes of most Thai men she knows. If she also has a child and/or is as well educated and suitable for non sexual events (with fluent English) as you described, it is very, very difficult for her to find a Thai man of any age willing to deal with that.
Many Thai girls think 25 is an "unlucky age/birthday/year", that things will start going downhill for them fast when they reach that age. They are probably right to feel that way and will start trying to improve their "luck" by delving into the non Thai man scene; discos and bars popular with non Thais, online dating sites and such.
Visited Levels couple times during my recent trip.
Its on Soi11, towards the end (Insanity is slightly further after turning left at T). Entrance 300 B, includes a drink, drinks are minimum 250 B. So essentially entrance is covering you for a drink.
As it turns out, she has regular job and family, mixed parentage American-Thai, university educated, no child, no previous marriage (as she stated). She gave the impression of falling in love with me- I am twice her age, I am decent looking but late 50's is late 50's (she is late 20's). And finally she actually came to drop me at the airport.
So had a great experience, sometimes you do can find gems.
So likely joints like Levels attract all kinds of girls: Pros / Pro-Ams / Ams. You have to work a bit on them, and then get lucky.
I don't go to Go-Go bars, SWs yes - did notice a couple of good ones. But if places like Levels etc can do the trick - I could just stick to them.
Levels vs Insanity- I did not visit Insanity, it is next doors, same ownership, the charges are the same, based on general talk- Levels is described as a lot better.That is such a great post, Informative, well written and sooooo helpful. Posts like this make it worthwhile to wade through all the crap of the last few weeks of people arguing and carrying on like knuckleheads.
Kudos to you sir.
If your post is all the information, who as a foreigner gets in a fist fight, with a local, who is an armed policeman, on his own turf, "OVER A GIRL" in Tailand??
Firstly you are never going to win an altercation against a local esp an armed cop. It will always be the foreigner in the wrong. Secondly, why would anyone argue over a girl in Thailand (unless it was his wife etc). Just move on to the next one.
I believe prevention is far better than a cure. If I'm with a serious GF or wife I don't go to places where I could accidentally stumble across a drunk homicidal cop. On foreign soil I definitely would not be getting into arguements with one with family present.
Call me a prick but if it was just a girl for the night I would just walk away the moment the situation became remotely aggressive. My presence would just make the situation worse for both me and her.You're assuming that it was clear that he was an armed policeman, but he was off-duty so probably dressed as a civilian and his gun may not have been visible right away.
But apart from that I agree with you it's better to walk away from situations like that. If possible of course.
You're assuming that it was clear that he was an armed policeman, but he was off-duty so probably dressed as a civilian and his gun may not have been visible right away.
But apart from that I agree with you it's better to walk away from situations like that. If possible of course.Yep. I haven't seen the original news article but was going off of what was in Blanq's post. Having said that, remove my references to a armed cop and nothing changes in my book. Who gets into a fist fight with a thai citizen over a women in thailand? The foreigner is always going to come out second best there.
Two drunks got into a fight over some chick. The farang got the best of it. Unfortunately, the beaten Thai was an off duty cop, he followed the couple to the hotel, and confronted the farang in the hotel's lobby. This time he was armed and shot, killed the farang. He fled, but turned himself in. Now he's looking at a long stretch in the Monkey House. The BIB response: Enforcing the 2am closing time! A local told me the Police and Military went around ordering bars to close at 2am.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/french-tourist-shot-dead-in-bangkok-by-off-duty-thai-cop-11024602
Who gets into a fist fight with a thai citizen over a women in thailand? The foreigner is always going to come out second best there.Even a verbal fight with a Thai could be dangerous. Just don't go looking for trouble or will find 20 times more trouble than you bargained for. A pissed off Thai usually knows a corrupt cop (or a Mafia type), that can be organised to plant serious drugs in your room, bag, pockets, whatever, then you get into serious trouble. There is not proper justice in Thailand.
Drugs being planted on people is not all that uncommon.
Just don't make enemies. Avoid it.
Etaoin2003
12-14-18, 16:58
Chrome (aka Annie's Soapy massage) is on that street; are they still open?Chrome is on 7/1, not 7. And yes, it's open.
Eric Swiss
12-14-18, 18:41
Should the Frenchman have walked away. The way it turned out obviously but what if she was his long time girlfriend, the timing 7. 17 AM would suggest otherwise. . Also no way of knowing he was a cop and armed, he was in civies. Most important though is to understand losing face is unacceptable for a Thai-man so a smile and a handshake and walking away is always your best policy.Just for the record, the guy who got killed wasn't French, he was an Arab.
Member #4591
12-14-18, 23:18
Just for the record, the guy who got killed wasn't French, he was an Arab.Just for the record, he was a Frenchman. Maybe his background was Arab but his passport was French.
TF encounter. Chatted first thing this morning and she was almost waiting for me in my bed after work today. 23 years old and cute as a button. A starving nurse looking for a little extra cash. She stayed from 7 PM to 4 am and then headed back to the hospital for her next shift. I was feeling generous and gave her 4,000. Wonderful real and true GFE action. Love Thai Friendly! Attached photos sent to me to entice me.
Member #4591
12-14-18, 23:54
Just to give you guys some examples of the girls I've hooked up with on Thai Friendly, I will post some pictures of the enticing photos I have collected from my latest conquests. I don't care what anyone says, it is still a goldmine for pussy and you should sign up for premiuim and follow the advice I have given and the advise of others as well. But if you don't have premium, it is a real pain in the ass and a waste of time. These are just a handful of the girls I have been with from TF over the last few months. Dont give up. Some became part time girlfriends and some were just a one time thing.
I am visiting Bangkok in about 2 weeks. So I am reading up because it's been about 2 years since my last visit. Thanks guy for all the valuable info posted.
I stumbled upon this report while Googling info on Soi Cowboy. Can this be true?
http://www.wowasis.com/travelblog/?p=3770
Funman13.
Engine Driver
12-15-18, 02:44
I am visiting Bangkok in about 2 weeks. So I am reading up because it's been about 2 years since my last visit. Thanks guy for all the valuable info posted.
I stumbled upon this report while Googling info on Soi Cowboy. Can this be true?
http://www.wowasis.com/travelblog/?p=3770
Funman13.The report says "Bill padding scams are legendary in Angeles City bars in the Philippines, but are now, from the reports we're hearing, becoming more common on Soi Cowboy in Bangkok. ".
That's not the case at all in AC. I've been going there for many years and I've never been overcharged. Nor have I heard any reports of it on the AC thread.
Thanks for the report. Hey, it is not unheard of for attractive Thai girls in their very early 20's to give the impression of falling in love with men three times their age, much less twice their age! haha. And very likely mean it, even pass the "no money" test over and over again.
At late 20's, your girl probably is very much looking to find a well put together older non Thai man who will be a life partner, supporter, around for her in the future in some way. She is way past her "Sell By" date in the eyes of most Thai men she knows. If she also has a child and/or is as well educated and suitable for non sexual events (with fluent English) as you described, it is very, very difficult for her to find a Thai man of any age willing to deal with that.
Many Thai girls think 25 is an "unlucky age/birthday/year", that things will start going downhill for them fast when they reach that age. They are probably right to feel that way and will start trying to improve their "luck" by delving into the non Thai man scene; discos and bars popular with non Thais, online dating sites and such.Yes I can understand there can be some socio-economic demographic dynamics here.
Oh well,
Chrome is on 7/1, not 7. And yes, it's open.I was there a week ago and had a decent session with a chick probably in her mid 30's. Returned yesterday and the whole line up was too big for my tastes so I left. Five chicks, no spinners. Price remains 2 K the hour.
Robert Long
12-15-18, 06:37
I clicked on the Stickman link in one of the stories in this forum and read thru the pages. I did click on the Tartan Ladies on Stickman and checked out girls. To day I received an email form some asshole in NZ who says he had a worm in a link I opened and that if I didn't send him $750. To his Bitcoin account that he would ruin my OS and send my browsing history to all my links.
I'm not one to be held hostage and I just deleted his message. If its true then you won't hear from me for awhile. I'll call my ISP tomorrow and see what they can do.
In the meantime if any of you cursed Thur. Stickmann and opened any links be aware that this could happen to you. This guy is a criminal and I hope he suffers a terrible death.
Aloha.
RL.
Just to give you guys some examples of the girls I've hooked up with on Thai Friendly, I will post some pictures of the enticing photos I have collected from my latest conquests. I don't care what anyone says, it is still a goldmine for pussy and you should sign up for premiuim and follow the advice I have given and the advise of others as well. But if you don't have premium, it is a real pain in the ass and a waste of time. These are just a handful of the girls I have been with from TF over the last few months. Dont give up. Some became part time girlfriends and some were just a one time thing.Nice pics, Bkkdog. I see all of your pics are of the "brazen sexpot" pose variety. And that is great if one is into that type of girl, as many here would be I presume.
But I just wanted to add that there are also many "sweet and innocent girl-next-door" and "studious university student" type girls on ThaiFriendly and ThaiCupid as well for those who are more into that type or who want to branch off into that type every now and then. You probably know about that already, but newbies to the dating site scene might think they need to target those with brazen sexpot type pics to get real sex from TF or TC girls. Not necessarily. The girl might come across as very conservative and subdued.
And if anyone knows the kind of sexual pleasures I am keen on achieving, primarily DATY with a shaved pussy, BBFS+CIP and BBBJ+CIM (sometimes Swallow), rest assured many of those kinds of "regular looking" girls on the dating sites are also Freelancers or perhaps Freelancer-curious and will oblige if you work with them a little bit. No, I won't be posting photos of those girls since, for one thing, by their very lack of those kinds of brazen sexpot photos, it is clear they are very much against projecting that image and showing up on a site like this one. lol. I just wanted to mention that you can't always go by their photos to know if they are up for that kind of True GFE or even a True PSE. Photos can be deceiving. Appearances in general can be deceiving.
Great pics Dog especially the girls at both ends of the top row. I have resisted searching for girls via the internet but it obviously works for some. Might have to give it a shot on my next trip to LOS.
Member #4591
12-15-18, 07:56
Nice pics, Bkkdog. I see all of your pics are of the "brazen sexpot" pose variety. And that is great if one is into that type of girl, as many here would be I presume.
But I just wanted to add that there are also many "sweet and innocent girl-next-door" and "studious university student" type girls on ThaiFriendly and ThaiCupid as well for those who are more into that type or who want to branch off into that type every now and then. You probably know about that already, but newbies to the dating site scene might think they need to target those with brazen sexpot type pics to get real sex from TF or TC girls. Not necessarily. The girl might come across as very conservative and subdued.
And if anyone knows the kind of sexual pleasures I am keen on achieving, primarily DATY with a shaved pussy, BBFS+CIP and BBBJ+CIM (sometimes Swallow), rest assured many of those kinds of "regular looking" girls on the dating sites are also Freelancers or perhaps Freelancer-curious and will oblige if you work with them a little bit. No, I won't be posting photos of those girls since, for one thing, by their very lack of those kinds of brazen sexpot photos, it is clear they are very much against projecting that image and showing up on a site like this one. lol. I just wanted to mention that you can't always go by their photos to know if they are up for that kind of True GFE or even a True PSE. Photos can be deceiving. Appearances in general can be deceiving.5555. I wouldn't post their regular photos on this site as it would be boring but I do have those too.
The report says "Bill padding scams are legendary in Angeles City bars in the Philippines, but are now, from the reports we're hearing, becoming more common on Soi Cowboy in Bangkok. ".
That's not the case at all in AC. I've been going there for many years and I've never been overcharged. Nor have I heard any reports of it on the AC thread.Pat Pong was notorious for trying to charge cover charges and show fees but this does not happen on Cowboy to my knowledge. You receive a paper bill after each drinks order so you can check it. In Crazy House you even have to initial each order since many customers forgot what they ordered, or some cultures just try to deny it.
Some customers fell for the "tequila coke" request for lady drinks. Of course it is a request for two drinks not one. Best to order explicitly with the waitress to ensure no misunderstanding. Don't allow girls to order the drinks. This is the only so called scam in Cowboy that I know of, although lady drinks cost more than customer drinks for the same drink. In some bars, a lady Tequilla is completely different to a customer tequila.
It is possible for the drinks total to be calculated incorrectly, but is not that frequent. My mental total is more accurate than their calculator, where typing mistake is possible. Normally they will total up twice to be sure is correct.
I take bill scam rumour with a grain of salt. Customer can be wrong or get a shock about drinks bill in the Arab's bars. However I don't regularly check all bars. I think reports need to name a specific bar and have plenty of evidence from experienced Cowboy customers.
I have not experienced clear bill scams. Mistakes occasionally.
5555. I wouldn't post their regular photos on this site as it would be boring but I do have those too.Got it. What I meant to say was there are many girls on those sites who only post boring photos without showing much skin at all, nothing like the pics you posted, but who are still up for the kind of True GFE for money and no other emotional strings attached that I and others might be looking for.
Etaoin2003
12-15-18, 15:13
I clicked on the Stickman link ... To day I received an email form some asshole in NZ who says he had a worm in a link I opened and that if I didn't send him $750. To his Bitcoin account that he would ruin my OS and send my browsing history to all my linksProbably unrelated to Stickman or their advertiser. These fake extortion scams happen all the time. Sometimes they even include a password that you may have used at one point on some poorly secured site. Gmail does a pretty good job of detecting and trashing such emails before you even see them.
Use unique passwords. Use long passwords.
I said PM and l will tell you.Bkkdog,
I have also PM'd you with the same question. Hope you will get a chance to reply.
I agree with Engine Driver about AC. I have been going there 2, 3 or 4 times a year for at least the last 10 years. I never had that problem. The waitress also made clear verbally and audibly "I receive from you one thousand pesos" etc.
Going back to that article I posted, the guys who got "scammed" paid cash for every round. Could that be the problem? But I still cannot figure out why it would be.
Funman13.
The report says "Bill padding scams are legendary in Angeles City bars in the Philippines, but are now, from the reports we're hearing, becoming more common on Soi Cowboy in Bangkok. ".
That's not the case at all in AC. I've been going there for many years and I've never been overcharged. Nor have I heard any reports of it on the AC thread.
Blanquiceleste
12-17-18, 09:05
Going back to that article I posted, the guys who got "scammed" paid cash for every round. Could that be the problem? But I still cannot figure out why it would be.Don't believe everything people say about getting scammed in bars in South East Asia. There are plenty of cheapskates crying wolf.
Just yesterday, I was in a pub having a drink and shooting some shit with a friend. There was a Caucasian man sitting at the next table. And after a couple of beers he got up and left. We only got to know about the fact that he left without paying, when poor waiter started frantically asking other patrons about this illustrious gent.
I paid for those 2 beers. Its a lot of money for a waiter, not as much for me.
Just to give you guys some examples of the girls I've hooked up with on Thai Friendly, I will post some pictures of the enticing photos I have collected from my latest conquests. I don't care what anyone says, it is still a goldmine for pussy and you should sign up for premiuim and follow the advice I have given and the advise of others as well. But if you don't have premium, it is a real pain in the ass and a waste of time. These are just a handful of the girls I have been with from TF over the last few months. Dont give up. Some became part time girlfriends and some were just a one time thing.Wow I like the 3rd last girl lying diagonally on the pillow with reddish brown hair. I would try to hang on to one that looked so natural and cute. What a smile.
Just yesterday, I was in a pub having a drink and shooting some shit with a friend. There was a Caucasian man sitting at the next table. And after a couple of beers he got up and left. We only got to know about the fact that he left without paying, when poor waiter started frantically asking other patrons about this illustrious gent.Any guy that cheap shouldn't be allowed on a plane to travel OS. Geez, a couple of beers are nothing for foreigners who clearly can afford to travel but if it comes out of the waitresses salary then it's a lot of money for them. Don't know how anyone can be that cheap.
Member #4591
12-17-18, 17:36
Wow I like the 3rd last girl lying diagonally on the pillow with reddish brown hair. I would try to hang on to one that looked so natural and cute. What a smile.I lost track of her 3 months ago.
Robert Long
12-17-18, 22:43
Any guy that cheap shouldn't be allowed on a plane to travel OS. Geez, a couple of beers are nothing for foreigners who clearly can afford to travel but if it comes out of the waitresses salary then it's a lot of money for them. Don't know how anyone can be that cheap.A lady was telling me about a Japanese customer of hers that she met and asked her to dinner. She complied and he took her to an expensive Japanese resto. Drank a lot of Saki and had some expensive sushi. He pardoned him self to make a phone call and never returned. She was stuck with the bill. She said she did not have the funds to pay, so she made a deal to pay off the bill a little at a time with the manager. This is so cruel to do this to anyone. There are some real slime balls out there.
RL.
A lady was telling me about a Japanese customer of hers that she met and asked her to dinner. She complied and he took her to an expensive Japanese resto. Drank a lot of Saki and had some expensive sushi. He pardoned him self to make a phone call and never returned. She was stuck with the bill. She said she did not have the funds to pay, so she made a deal to pay off the bill a little at a time with the manager. This is so cruel to do this to anyone. There are some real slime balls out there.
RL.Every girl has a story or 3 of not being paid in the morning.
Every girl has a story or 3 of not being paid in the morning.Maybe you didn't read his story. The girl was not only not paid, she was stuck with a big bill to pay.
A lady was telling me about a Japanese customer of hers that she met and asked her to dinner. She complied and he took her to an expensive Japanese resto. Drank a lot of Saki and had some expensive sushi. He pardoned him self to make a phone call and never returned. She was stuck with the bill. She said she did not have the funds to pay, so she made a deal to pay off the bill a little at a time with the manager. This is so cruel to do this to anyone. There are some real slime balls out there.
RL.A BATS girl in Jakarta was telling me that some Chinese guy took her from BATS to Golden Crown and he got a private room there. A couple of his friends were with him. She says they not only had the private room, but also ordered some bottles of alcohol. She says it was getting very late and she fell asleep in the room. When she woke up, they were all gone and she was left with an 11 million rupiah bill (about 1000 usd).
Blanquiceleste
12-18-18, 13:56
Geez, a couple of beers are nothing for foreigners who clearly can afford to travel but if it comes out of the waitresses salary then it's a lot of money for them. Don't know how anyone can be that cheap.Precisely. And this is in Singapore where a beer costs $15 (Sing dollars). So $30 would be roughly half a day's wages for the poor waiter. I can't see that happen, not on my watch.
A lady was telling me about a Japanese customer of hers that she met and asked her to dinner. She complied and he took her to an expensive Japanese resto. Drank a lot of Saki and had some expensive sushi. He pardoned him self to make a phone call and never returned. She was stuck with the bill. She said she did not have the funds to pay, so she made a deal to pay off the bill a little at a time with the manager. This is so cruel to do this to anyone. There are some real slime balls out there. RL.
A BATS girl in Jakarta was telling me that some Chinese guy took her from BATS to Golden Crown and he got a private room there. A couple of his friends were with him. She says they not only had the private room, but also ordered some bottles of alcohol. She says it was getting very late and she fell asleep in the room. When she woke up, they were all gone and she was left with an 11 million rupiah bill (about 1000 usd).Plenty of low lives out there. Mongers who stiff girls on payment after the deed is done are bad enough for the community. But these guys who saddle unassuming WGs or waiters in bars with bills are unpardonable.
P.S. - Smoothy how did that story end then? What did the girl do to get out alive to tell you the story?
Just to give you guys some examples of the girls I've hooked up with on Thai Friendly, I will post some pictures of the enticing photos I have collected from my latest conquests. I don't care what anyone says, it is still a goldmine for pussy and you should sign up for premiuim and follow the advice I have given and the advise of others as well. But if you don't have premium, it is a real pain in the ass and a waste of time. These are just a handful of the girls I have been with from TF over the last few months. Dont give up. Some became part time girlfriends and some were just a one time thing.We've not always agreed, but I wholeheartedly second your endorsement of Thai Friendly. Had very satisfying results mining that site for connections. Found both obvious pros and cute office ladies seeking to augment their income. Some really nice sessions with very accommodating and part-time GFE girls.
Steve 9696
12-19-18, 05:10
Just to give you guys some examples of the girls I've hooked up with on Thai Friendly, I will post some pictures of the enticing photos I have collected from my latest conquests. I don't care what anyone says, it is still a goldmine for pussy and you should sign up for premiuim and follow the advice I have given and the advise of others as well. But if you don't have premium, it is a real pain in the ass and a waste of time. These are just a handful of the girls I have been with from TF over the last few months. Dont give up. Some became part time girlfriends and some were just a one time thing.
They are all super pretty and not one of them I wouldn't bar fine. But I have a certain type and wow that girl on the right in the next to last row. Wowowowow. That is the kind of face I'd pay just to look at and hopefully kiss and the rest would just be a bonus. Mad props if you spent quality time with her.
Two drunks got into a fight over some chick. The farang got the best of it. Unfortunately, the beaten Thai was an off duty cop, he followed the couple to the hotel, and confronted the farang in the hotel's lobby. This time he was armed and shot, killed the farang. He fled, but turned himself in. Now he's looking at a long stretch in the Monkey House. The BIB response: Enforcing the 2am closing time! A local told me the Police and Military went around ordering bars to close at 2am.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/french-tourist-shot-dead-in-bangkok-by-off-duty-thai-cop-11024602One of my regular Soi Cowboy girls know this policeman. He is a known trouble-maker for several years and he also frequent some of the Soi Cowboy establishments for drinking and for singing karaoke. She told me the story was not exactly as depicted in this link. Actually, the two men new each other and there was several girls involved, but not really a girlfriend. And the fight had started in a bar in Soi 11 due to an argument over the bill, not due to some jealusy. It ended with a fist fight right there in the bar. What happed later outside the French guys apartment building is probably accurate. The policeman will get as he deserves and will stay in prison for a very long time. Anyway, the lesson is still; walk away from trouble before it escalates, especially in Thailand.
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LastJungle
12-19-18, 15:37
I'm not sure why Thailand is such a hot destination anymore. I mean really, if you want to fuck a reasonably attractive girl it's going to run you at least 2000 thb. If you want to pick one up from the bar it's at least 2000 thb and then a bar fine, 500 to 1000 thb and add the overpriced drinks you just had to pay for. The hotter ones will demand at least 3000 thb. I've actually been asked for 10000 thb+ at a gogo bar in Phuket before. I've even been quoted a 3000 thb bar fine. What the fuck? So you're looking at over $100 for one nut, probably way more if she's hot, and a lot of these girls refuse to blow you without a condom. Or you can go to a massage parlor and pay 2000 thb for a soapy massage in what looks like a public bathroom with a mat on the floor or get a regular massage in a room with cockroaches crawling on the ground. I guess if you're one of these dudes bragging about how you pay 1000 thb for a lay, that must have been a street hooker or something, and I've yet to find one that isn't ugly. Has anyone really walked down beach road in Pattaya and said OMG I'm in fucking heaven look at all these beautiful girls lined up? Hell no. Those girls are bottom tier. It turns out the real bang for your buck is taking them for extended periods of time, but a lot of times they don't want to sleep in your hotel next to your snoring ass. A lot of times they'll ask to leave early. Why say no? Why sleep next to someone who gives zero fucks about you and doesn't want to be there?
Got me wondering if anyone has ever been to Germany or Belgium. I mean go to a window girl, that's 50 euros for a nut. No bullshit no games no drinks. Sure, it's all covered, but that's how a lot of the girls in Thailand prefer it too. So you actually wind up paying $100+ for a nut from a Thai girl and you could have gotten the same thing in Belgium for 50 euros from a white girl. And if you were to have gone to an FKK in Germany, you pay 50 euros to get in, don't have to buy them any drinks don't have to pay any bar fine, once you're in you can fuck them all, 50 euros each. Want extras? Another 50 euros will get her to do much more for you. And she'll tell you everything she'll do up front no games no bullshit and takes you to a (usually) clean and reasonable room. If these Thai girls were properly priced, the hottest fake tits skinny model ones should be going for 2000 thb maximum for a nut. More than that for a 3rd world broke ass Thai girl just doesn't make any sense.
Don't know what everyone else's reasoning is for loving this place so much but I'm out. It's simply not worth it. Europe peddles much better, much prettier working girls for less than Thailand does. Who the fuck would have thought it would come to this? Must be the over tourism that ruined this place. I'm sure at one point it must have been lovely and the prices reasonable. Same as Amsterdam, tourists ruined that place.
I'm not sure why Thailand is such a hot destination anymore. I mean really, if you want to fuck a reasonably attractive girl it's going to run you at least 2000 thb. If you want to pick one up from the bar it's at least 2000 thb and then a bar fine, 500 to 1000 thb and add the overpriced drinks you just had to pay for. The hotter ones will demand at least 3000 thb. I've actually been asked for 10000 thb+ at a gogo bar in Phuket before. I've even been quoted a 3000 thb bar fine. What the fuck? So you're looking at over $100 for one nut, probably way more if she's hot, and a lot of these girls refuse to blow you without a condom. Or you can go to a massage parlor and pay 2000 thb for a soapy massage in what looks like a public bathroom with a mat on the floor or get a regular massage in a room with cockroaches crawling on the ground. I guess if you're one of these dudes bragging about how you pay 1000 thb for a lay, that must have been a street hooker or something, and I've yet to find one that isn't ugly. Has anyone really walked down beach road in Pattaya and said OMG I'm in fucking heaven look at all these beautiful girls lined up? Hell no. Those girls are bottom tier. It turns out the real bang for your buck is taking them for extended periods of time, but a lot of times they don't want to sleep in your hotel next to your snoring ass. A lot of times they'll ask to leave early. Why say no? Why sleep next to someone who gives zero fucks about you and doesn't want to be there?
Got me wondering if anyone has ever been to Germany or Belgium. I mean go to a window girl, that's 50 euros for a nut. No bullshit no games no drinks. Sure, it's all covered, but that's how a lot of the girls in Thailand prefer it too. So you actually wind up paying $100+ for a nut from a Thai girl and you could have gotten the same thing in Belgium for 50 euros from a white girl. And if you were to have gone to an FKK in Germany, you pay 50 euros to get in, don't have to buy them any drinks don't have to pay any bar fine, once you're in you can fuck them all, 50 euros each. Want extras? Another 50 euros will get her to do much more for you. And she'll tell you everything she'll do up front no games no bullshit and takes you to a (usually) clean and reasonable room. If these Thai girls were properly priced, the hottest fake tits skinny model ones should be going for 2000 thb maximum for a nut. More than that for a 3rd world broke ass Thai girl just doesn't make any sense.
Don't know what everyone else's reasoning is for loving this place so much but I'm out. It's simply not worth it. Europe peddles much better, much prettier working girls for less than Thailand does. Who the fuck would have thought it would come to this? Must be the over tourism that ruined this place. I'm sure at one point it must have been lovely and the prices reasonable. Same as Amsterdam, tourists ruined that place.I agree with much of what you posted with regard to the usual go-to P4P venues in Thailand, particularly the sentiment in that last paragraph about it being the tourists, the modern punters who are ruining the place with their low expectations and minimal demands. Case in point your mention that some girls "won't blow you without a condom". I sure read here and hear in person that horror story more and more. I do believe the condom issue is a much bigger problem in the Thai P4P scene than one might conclude from reading these threads. Reading many of these FRs, one would think almost every punter in Thailand is fine with wearing a condom for relatively expensive sex (for a country like Thailand). But that is definitely contrary to what I hear from virtually every fellow punter of any age I meet in Thailand.
Getting it "BB"/bareback seems to be a constant topic of conversation. And I am not the one initiating the conversation about it. No, I don't mean from girls who are so low on the scale they grasp at any 700 baht counter offer and will do anything for it with anyone. I am talking about above average or better girls who will not budge for less than 2000-2500 baht. It has become so much the topic of discussion with the guys who live and visit here of late, I actually had a dream the other night that every customer entering Thermae for two solid weeks refused to take a girl for any amount of baht unless she agreed to BBFS+CIP! LOL. Talk about modern Thai P4P "culture shock".
But I have found one can still have plenty of True GFEs (in my book, that is at least either a full and complete BBBJ+CIM or a BBFS+CIP) with good looking young Bangkok go-go girls that I suspect would do it much more for me in terms of youth, looks and demeanor than the European "white girls" you referenced. But that is just me. And I don't find spending the equivalent of $100-$150 USD in order to enjoy it leaves me wondering why I spent so much.
I notice you did not mention anything about meeting girls on the dating sites or social networks. Again, those are not the traditional go-to Thai P4P venues but they certainly are where many of us are now swinging very rewarding True GFEs with lovely young Thai girls for less than it costs to barfine and pay a similar age and appearance go-go girl, Thermae level girls I would say. The huge difference being it seems easier to negotiate BB with those same type of girls when you meet and video chat with them online than when you meet them standing in that very uncomfortable and intimidating lineup at Thermae.
YetAnotherGuy
12-20-18, 04:47
Nana Plaza lost a Ladyboy bar and gained a regular (real ladies only?) go-go bar very recently. It is called Geisha, located on the top level of Nana Plaza in the corner down from Butterflies go-go bar, in a spot that used to be a Ladyboy bar. I think the name is "Geisha" only, no "Bar" next to it, but could be wrong. Somewhat U-shaped seating area around a tiered stage. Has a glassed-in bathtub box on the far side of the stage as you walk in. The girls in that glass box wash themselves with sudsy water from the tub and go topless. Seems to have some of the available stage and seating area on the opposite side of the room curtained off for further construction. I don't know for sure since this bar was a Labyboy bar before and I never went inside then.
I went there last night, Saturday night, around 9 PM. When the mamasan saw me walk in she came over, threw her arms around me all smiles and happiness, welcoming me into the place. I never met her before, so that was unexpected. LOL. Maybe she thought I was somebody else she knew already. She told me all the girls are barfineable, all barfines are 800 baht regardless of ST or LT and everything else is up to the girl and you. I pointed to one girl onstage who was wearing a black bikini instead of the general white the other girls were wearing and to another one who appeared to be wearing a double layer top with a black bra under her white bikini top (no pantyhose) and asked why they were wearing those and did that mean they were Coyotes? Mamasan said no difference, same as the other girls. I didn't ask, but I saw no evidence of intermingled Ladyboys, although I don't recall seeing a "Real Ladies Only" sign outside either.
In the two sets of dance sessions I sat for, there were about 12 girls on stage for each set and another half dozen or so walking around or sitting next to or on the laps of customers. Not a particularly wild or party atmosphere. The music was loud but not too loud for me to understand what the mamasan and servers were saying to me. At that hour on this Saturday night the seating area, three levels of cushioned bleacher style booths, was about 20% occupied. Despite the possibly misleading name of the bar (in more ways than one, imo) the customer demographic was no more than half Asian/Japanese(?) and there seemed to be mostly older expat type customers. Same as me, I suppose.
I did not see any girls rating what one would likely consider a Bargirl 8 or above in terms of looks. But if you are fine with the young cute or quirky cute look and demeanor, as I am, you might have found 3-4 on the stage during each set that appealed enough to give her a shot. I came in smiling, was greeted rather nicely by the mamasan, kept up a positive, happy and approachable demeanor since that is genuinely how I felt last night anyway, yet I can't say my smile or gaze was returned by any "doable" girl (for me) either on stage or walking around. Neither I nor any other customer in the bar was approached by girls alone or in pairs for a Ladydrink request after they came down from the stage after a set. They all donned more regular clothes over their bikinis, shorts and t-shirts, and hightailed it outside to join the "Come Inside!" chorus.
Maybe those last couple of observations is a comment on the girls' interest or rather disinterest in me buying one a drink or barfining them, I have no idea. LOL. Some guys much prefer the "no interference with my drinking" style in a bar, where the girls neither flag you from the stage with a "buy me drink" gesture or approach you personally after their dance set. This time I took it as a reason not to engage with any girl there but might go back and give it another look sometime.I'd suggest waiting a bit and then giving Geisha another chance. They're in the process of expanding quite a bit, you can see the work if you find your way to the bathroom. They're signing on more girls, and it's improved quite a bit, and I expect that'll continue. They're apparently giving the girls a better deal than many of the other bars. It looks to me like they intend to be a strong competitor.
LastJungle
12-20-18, 04:53
I agree with much of what you posted with regard to the usual go-to P4P venues in Thailand, particularly the sentiment in that last paragraph about it being the tourists, the modern punters who are ruining the place with their low expectations and minimal demands. Case in point your mention that some girls "won't blow you without a condom". I sure read here and hear in person that horror story more and more. I do believe the condom issue is a much bigger problem in the Thai P4P scene than one might conclude from reading these threads. Reading many of these FRs, one would think almost every punter in Thailand is fine with wearing a condom for relatively expensive sex (for a country like Thailand). But that is definitely contrary to what I hear from virtually every fellow punter of any age I meet in Thailand..Not saying condom less doesn't happen with those high end girls, it does, but many just flat out refuse. What you're talking about using dating sites is much more work, almost like traditional dating. You have to sift through loads of bullshit before you get what you want. Also, this can be done anywhere so why bother with that in Thailand where sex is supposed to be widely available and easy to get, you could even do that in the US on sites like seekingarrangement and pay less than you would going to escorts or whatever. But the easiest ways to get ass around here mean you're going to get ripped off. Where as in Europe, no bullshit.
I'd suggest waiting a bit and then giving Geisha another chance. They're in the process of expanding quite a bit, you can see the work if you find your way to the bathroom. They're signing on more girls, and it's improved quite a bit, and I expect that'll continue. They're apparently giving the girls a better deal than many of the other bars. It looks to me like they intend to be a strong competitor.From what I have read, it is the only Korean-owned bar in Nana Plaza.
Engine Driver
12-20-18, 09:50
I'm not sure why Thailand is such a hot destination anymore. I mean really, if you want to fuck a reasonably attractive girl it's going to run you at least 2000 thb. If you want to pick one up from the bar it's at least 2000 thb and then a bar fine, 500 to 1000 thb and add the overpriced drinks you just had to pay for. The hotter ones will demand at least 3000 thb. I've actually been asked for 10000 thb+ at a gogo bar in Phuket before. I've even been quoted a 3000 thb bar fine. What the fuck? So you're looking at over $100 for one nut, probably way more if she's hot, and a lot of these girls refuse to blow you without a condom. Or you can go to a massage parlor and pay 2000 thb for a soapy massage in what looks like a public bathroom with a mat on the floor or get a regular massage in a room with cockroaches crawling on the ground. I guess if you're one of these dudes bragging about how you pay 1000 thb for a lay, that must have been a street hooker or something, and I've yet to find one that isn't ugly. Has anyone really walked down beach road in Pattaya and said OMG I'm in fucking heaven look at all these beautiful girls lined up? Hell no. Those girls are bottom tier. It turns out the real bang for your buck is taking them for extended periods of time, but a lot of times they don't want to sleep in your hotel next to your snoring ass. A lot of times they'll ask to leave early. Why say no? Why sleep next to someone who gives zero fucks about you and doesn't want to be there?
Got me wondering if anyone has ever been to Germany or Belgium. I mean go to a window girl, that's 50 euros for a nut. No bullshit no games no drinks. Sure, it's all covered, but that's how a lot of the girls in Thailand prefer it too. So you actually wind up paying $100+ for a nut from a Thai girl and you could have gotten the same thing in Belgium for 50 euros from a white girl. And if you were to have gone to an FKK in Germany, you pay 50 euros to get in, don't have to buy them any drinks don't have to pay any bar fine, once you're in you can fuck them all, 50 euros each. Want extras? Another 50 euros will get her to do much more for you. And she'll tell you everything she'll do up front no games no bullshit and takes you to a (usually) clean and reasonable room. If these Thai girls were properly priced, the hottest fake tits skinny model ones should be going for 2000 thb maximum for a nut. More than that for a 3rd world broke ass Thai girl just doesn't make any sense.
Don't know what everyone else's reasoning is for loving this place so much but I'm out. It's simply not worth it. Europe peddles much better, much prettier working girls for less than Thailand does. Who the fuck would have thought it would come to this? Must be the over tourism that ruined this place. I'm sure at one point it must have been lovely and the prices reasonable. Same as Amsterdam, tourists ruined that place.Good observations and nice report. When Stickman was still in BKK, he came to the same conclusion. His reports are still on the net. The Chinese tourists have already invaded the FKKs, so it will be the Indians next in Germany. Indians en masse haven't invaded AC yet as there are no direct flights to Manila from any Indian city. They would prefer to go to BKK and Pattaya as the package deals are so cheap and it's heavily promoted in India by the Thai government.
I'm not sure why Thailand is such a hot destination anymore. I mean really, if you want to fuck a reasonably attractive girl it's going to run you at least 2000 thb. If you want to pick one up from the bar it's at least 2000 thb and then a bar fine, 500 to 1000 thb and add the overpriced drinks you just had to pay for. The hotter ones will demand at least 3000 thb. I've actually been asked for 10000 thb+ at a gogo bar in Phuket before. I've even been quoted a 3000 thb bar fine. What the fuck? So you're looking at over $100 for one nut, probably way more if she's hot, and a lot of these girls refuse to blow you without a condom. Or you can go to a massage parlor and pay 2000 thb for a soapy massage in what looks like a public bathroom with a mat on the floor or get a regular massage in a room with cockroaches crawling on the ground. I guess if you're one of these dudes bragging about how you pay 1000 thb for a lay, that must have been a street hooker or something, and I've yet to find one that isn't ugly. Has anyone really walked down beach road in Pattaya and said OMG I'm in fucking heaven look at all these beautiful girls lined up? Hell no. Those girls are bottom tier. It turns out the real bang for your buck is taking them for extended periods of time, but a lot of times they don't want to sleep in your hotel next to your snoring ass. A lot of times they'll ask to leave early. Why say no? Why sleep next to someone who gives zero fucks about you and doesn't want to be there?
Got me wondering if anyone has ever been to Germany or Belgium. I mean go to a window girl, that's 50 euros for a nut. No bullshit no games no drinks. Sure, it's all covered, but that's how a lot of the girls in Thailand prefer it too. So you actually wind up paying $100+ for a nut from a Thai girl and you could have gotten the same thing in Belgium for 50 euros from a white girl. And if you were to have gone to an FKK in Germany, you pay 50 euros to get in, don't have to buy them any drinks don't have to pay any bar fine, once you're in you can fuck them all, 50 euros each. Want extras? Another 50 euros will get her to do much more for you. And she'll tell you everything she'll do up front no games no bullshit and takes you to a (usually) clean and reasonable room. If these Thai girls were properly priced, the hottest fake tits skinny model ones should be going for 2000 thb maximum for a nut. More than that for a 3rd world broke ass Thai girl just doesn't make any sense.
Don't know what everyone else's reasoning is for loving this place so much but I'm out. It's simply not worth it. Europe peddles much better, much prettier working girls for less than Thailand does. Who the fuck would have thought it would come to this? Must be the over tourism that ruined this place. I'm sure at one point it must have been lovely and the prices reasonable. Same as Amsterdam, tourists ruined that place.Could not agree more. I read these posts about guys spending in excess of 200 USD on drinks, BF, and gal and I just sigh. It's really out of hand for what you are getting. Yes, that would get you far more in Europe or Central / South America. And you are spot on, the Asian tourist has ruined the market. It has also had a profound effect on the gals attitudes. Paying Ferrari prices does not make a Toyota a supercar. I also think there is a lot of attitude among the punters who think they are getting something exclusive. And by exclusive, I mean in price only. Seems many dudes these days revel in the "ha, I can afford it and you can't. " Truthfully I don't see that attitude with western punters. We are more than happy with everyone having a go at a reasonable price. No ego involved at all. Hell, we moved here to get away from the ego and "game" nonsense and now it's been injected into the p4 p scene. And that's just absurd.
Member #4591
12-20-18, 13:34
Could not agree more. I read these posts about guys spending in excess of 200 USD on drinks, BF, and gal and I just sigh. It's really out of hand for what you are getting. Yes, that would get you far more in Europe or Central / South America. And you are spot on, the Asian tourist has ruined the market. It has also had a profound effect on the gals attitudes. Paying Ferrari prices does not make a Toyota a supercar. I also think there is a lot of attitude among the punters who think they are getting something exclusive. And by exclusive, I mean in price only. Seems many dudes these days revel in the "ha, I can afford it and you can't. " Truthfully I don't see that attitude with western punters. We are more than happy with everyone having a go at a reasonable price. No ego involved at all. Hell, we moved here to get away from the ego and "game" nonsense and now it's been injected into the p4 p scene. And that's just absurd.Yes, if we are talking about the Go Go bar scene, you are absolutely right. 2,500-3,000ST, 800 BF, and let's see 2 LDs 300-400 Baht. So at the high end, you are at 4,200 Baht. 128 USD. Doh! Maybe it's really not so bad. Actually, this is reasonable. It's only when you really start buying the lady drinks it adds up. I myself have run up a 4-5 k bar tab when I was feeling generous but that's not quite the same is it. In Pattaya, it's a little cheaper. Then If we take into account the freelancers and massage ladies, it's really not that bad. Come on guys! Roll with it.
JakeBrown6661
12-20-18, 14:18
Any action around Khao San Road? Thanks.
Thailand is OK if you get away from BKK and the tourist traps that now charge silly money. If you get out into the sticks up Isaan way you can still find very nice women for 500 a fuk and no bad attitude. You do find the occasional starfisher but there was always a few of them anywhere. As a BKK old hand its not worth the flight any more, south america is a better deal or the Gambia for a GFE.
Yes, if we are talking about the Go Go bar scene, you are absolutely right. 2,500-3,000ST, 800 BF, and let's see 2 LDs 300-400 Baht. So at the high end, you are at 4,200 Baht. 128 USD. Doh! Maybe it's really not so bad. Actually, this is reasonable. It's only when you really start buying the lady drinks it adds up. I myself have run up a 4-5 k bar tab when I was feeling generous but that's not quite the same is it. In Pattaya, it's a little cheaper. Then If we take into account the freelancers and massage ladies, it's really not that bad. Come on guys! Roll with it.700 Baht BF? Most in the 1000-1500 Baht range. And add in ST hotel and with a few drinks you're up near 200. But sorry, I think 140 is out of line as well. Have never had a p4p experience in Thailand or anywhere really worth 140 USD. 2k is about all it's worth to me considering you get a gal in Europe for 50 Euros, a gal in Jakarta for 1-2k, and a gal in hk for around 2k. Absolutely no reason a Thai gal should be worth any more.
Banana Boi
12-20-18, 16:29
Lady drinks were 220 at king's castle 1 a couple of weeks ago. Only DFK from my girl. Not even a HJ for my 220 baht. Only some over the pants rubbing.
Goatscot, when were you last in a Germany fkk? You have to negotiate for a bbbj now for 50 euro. Girls want 100 euro now for dfk and bbbj.
Not sure when you last visited Jakarta either. I was there last week. Talent is way way down. I was counting the days to get back to pattaya gogo girls.
I am in BKK for a few days before I head to Chiang mai and I took a hotel on Sukhumvit Soi 18. While doing the usual round to get some coffee and cigarettes, a lady few years past her prime waved from inside a bar. Since it was still early in the morning, decided to give it a miss. I went back in the evening and apparently she is the mama san. Took a couple of pints and was talking to her. Massage with sex was on the menu for 1800 tbh all inclusive but Since I am more of a blowjob connoiseur, took her up for 1000 tbh. She definitely knew what she was doing and CIM after 10 minutes, johny became happy. Went back downstairs, had a chat again and went on my way. There was another lady available who was younger, had a cute face and a thick ass I could bang all night. Unfortunately, she was in the sack with another customer. Might go back tomorrow for her. This is a decent place to just grab a beer, enjoy the music and just chat with the lady without any pressure of buying massage or other services.
Crocodilexp
12-20-18, 18:01
I'm not sure why Thailand is such a hot destination anymore.
Thailand scene has certainly gone downhill, and is mostly coasting on old glory. However, while your assessment of Thailand today is spot-on, I think you're a bit too optimistic about other places, Europe in particular. It's difficult to find more than, say, a 100 women in one place, 50 euro is by no means the universal going rate (more like the best deal to be had), and service is not all that straightforward or without tricks.
One thing Thailand used to have that other prostitution scenes (except maybe the Philippines) never developed was a truly friendly attitudes and normal girls. In the old times, I often had a feeling that a girl enjoyed, or at least didn't mind being with me, and that money was just facilitating that connection. Thai working girls were easy going, happy to please (within reason), not the least bit rushed and surprisingly normal. Normal to the point that punters were spending days, weeks with them, and even marrying them, an act of insanity that wouldn't even cross your mind elsewhere in the world.
In almost all other places (and increasingly in Thailand), prostitution is highly transactional. It's 100% obvious that the girl would rather be elsewhere if it wasn't for the money, they don't make any effort to hide that. They do their best to offer as little service as they can get away with, the good ones going through the agreed upon motions and put a nice (if unconvincing) act, the bad ones are not reluctant to aggravate you if it helps get you out faster (or just for kicks).
Out there in the world, even if some girls are cheaper, it is always perfectly clear that you're dealing with dregs of society stuck in a rock-bottom lifestyle that you wouldn't want much to do with after shooting your load (even if they're good looking). In Thailand, you often had a sense you were with a more-or-less normal girl who ended up in an unenviable profession, but somehow still kept her dignity, spirit and self-respect, still capable of empathy and even love. Sadly, that scene is largely the thing of the past, but still visible in traces, especially in places like Pattaya.
Good observations and nice report. When Stickman was still in BKK, he came to the same conclusion. His reports are still on the net. The Chinese tourists have already invaded the FKKs, so it will be the Indians next in Germany. Indians en masse haven't invaded AC yet as there are no direct flights to Manila from any Indian city. They would prefer to go to BKK and Pattaya as the package deals are so cheap and it's heavily promoted in India by the Thai government.Yes- it is 'have money have visa- will go and spend and Fuck'(like everybody else). Neither $s nor visas were available once upon a time- now both Indians and Chinese have them too. Seasoned punters have nothing to brag or prove to no one- new comers think they need to. So that is that.
But all that can certainly spoil and distort markets for all.
Old New Guy
12-20-18, 18:53
Thailand scene has certainly gone downhill, and is mostly coasting on old glory....
Sadly, that scene is largely the thing of the past, but still visible in traces, especially in places like Pattaya.Well written, absolutely true and on the spot. I feel lucky to had that confirmed many times,\ with the latest one few hours ago.
Eszpresszo
12-20-18, 19:10
I'm not sure why Thailand is such a hot destination anymore.
Got me wondering if anyone has ever been to Germany or Belgium. I mean go to a window girl, that's 50 euros for a nut. No bullshit no games no drinks. Sure, it's all covered, but that's how a lot of the girls in Thailand prefer it too. So you actually wind up paying $100+ for a nut from a Thai girl and you could have gotten the same thing in Belgium for 50 euros from a white girl. And if you were to have gone to an FKK in Germany, you pay 50 euros to get in, don't have to buy them any drinks don't have to pay any bar fine, once you're in you can fuck them all, 50 euros each. Want extras? Another 50 euros will get her to do much more for you. And she'll tell you everything she'll do up front no games no bullshit and takes you to a (usually) clean and reasonable room. If these Thai girls were properly priced, the hottest fake tits skinny model ones should be going for 2000 thb maximum for a nut. More than that for a 3rd world broke ass Thai girl just doesn't make any sense.
Don't know what everyone else's reasoning is for loving this place so much but I'm out. It's simply not worth it. Europe peddles much better, much prettier working girls for less than Thailand does. Who the fuck would have thought it would come to this? Must be the over tourism that ruined this place. I'm sure at one point it must have been lovely and the prices reasonable. Same as Amsterdam, tourists ruined that place.You don't understand why Thailand is such a hot destination? Probably that's because you have obviously never been there. First off, your prices are all wrong and your asserting that the WG are prettier is strictly a personal preference when you say " you could have gotten the same thing in Belgium for 50 euros from a white girl". I personally don't care much for white girls and you obviously can't appreciate the beauty of a Thai woman, especially when they are selling their bodies very cheaply. If you like white girls, that fine, but you are on the wrong forum if you think you can hold the "white girl" as the global standard of beauty. BTW, mongering in Thailand is as simple as pulling a girl off Sukhumvit, Soi 6 or Beach Rd. No bar fine or lady drinks required. If you had visited Thailand, I would think you would have noticed that.
Europe peddles better? Really? 50 Euros in Germany? I've done Berlin (cheapest mongering in Western Europe) in recent history. 50 Euros will get you the same 15 minutes as 35,000 COP ($12 USD) will get you in Bogota with a pretty Colombiana. Except that 50 Euros isn't going to fetch a pretty European woman. I've never done the FKK scene but the reports on the German threads report a much higher cost. Think more like 50 Euros to get in the door and read all the complaints about very rushed encounters once inside. There is no economy there. And most FKKs are located in the grimmer parts of Germany with little of tourist or culture interest. Most Americans (like you) will fly into Frankfurt, rent a car at significant expense, drive across the country, paying a lot for fuel, to get to some FKK in an industrial area, only to bust a nut a few times. I don't see the economy there. So, I don't think you have experienced Germany in recent history, either.
But, to answer your question, why is Thailand such a hot destination? Well, there's a lot of other things to do besides monger that make it worthwhile. The food is delicious and cheap. The beaches are numerous and many of them very nice. Cheap therapeutic massages are everywhere, and if you want an oily HJ to end it, you have plenty of options. The interior of Thailand holds a lot of other attractions that are completely fascinating. I'm guessing you never took a train ride up north to visit Old Sukhothai or any other of the expansive ruins. But, I do suggest you actually try it for yourself and see why is a great destination, whether you are mongering or not.
PhilAndererer
12-20-18, 19:26
Hell, we moved here to get away from the ego and "game" nonsense and now it's been injected into the p4 p scene. And that's just absurd.Spot on. I am tired of playing of games.
One thing Thailand used to have that other prostitution scenes (except maybe the Philippines) never developed was a truly friendly attitudes and normal girls. In the old times, I often had a feeling that a girl enjoyed, or at least didn't mind being with me, and that money was just facilitating that connection. Thai working girls were easy going, happy to please (within reason), not the least bit rushed and surprisingly normal. Normal to the point that punters were spending days, weeks with them, and even marrying them, an act of insanity that wouldn't even cross your mind elsewhere in the world.Hate to point out the elephant in the room (heard Thailand has those as well) but maybe as you've aged you don't have the same draw as you did when you were in your 40's? Say what you want about Thailand but what draws me is the women who have a hard time carrying on a conversation in English. Its heaven when the girl just gives up trying to talk to you and bends over.
What did confucious say to the woman with two black eyes? Nothing, she'd already been told twice.
Hate to point out the elephant in the room (heard Thailand has those as well) but maybe as you've aged you don't have the same draw as you did when you were in your 40's? I think it is a bit of a combination of a few points and the fact that Thailand has matured as a P4 P scene.
1. We are definitely getting older and don't have the same draw power when we were younger. I feel this affect as each season goes by, girls that would often stay with me for extra time or free when I was in my 30's and a good looking, wealthy young dude. Now they are much more work as I am in my late 40's and they are much less willing to stay extra time and freebies are getting rarer and rarer. A 20 something chic of course doesn't want to bang a 55+ year old dude but will "go through the motions" for cash of course. I see this as my destiny, it is hard to take sometimes but the reality is the human body does not get more appealing with age.
2. Thailand and most of Asia is much wealthier than it was 20 or 30 years ago. Hence they have more options.
3. The bar scene has peaked with technology making it easier to find P4 P. Thaifriendly and other online options mean that a whole new world has opened to make contact with younger ladies in need to pay a few extra bills much easier. Yes we may go to a bar for a bit of a drink but the bread and butter in the P4 P scene is definitely moving online. I used to go to a Bar to look for some P4 P, now I go for a drink and a bit of fun and am not bothered if I don't find something because I have a wider net to draw from. Once you work out a little system on how to get the best out of thaifriendly and other dating sites it is a gold mine for cheaper, less hardened P4 P.
Steve 9696
12-20-18, 23:37
It's been two years since I've been to Thailand but I love to read this and the Pattaya forum as it is always lively and takes me back. I do love the gogo and bar scene and hope to return soon.
I was just doing a recounting of various places I've been over the last few years (UK, Spain, Thailand, Germany, China, Japan, NZ, Brazil) and of these Thailand still is one of the most cost effective regardless of it "going downhill". And yes German FKK gets more expensive for kissing and BBBJ from highest optic girls, so the downward slope is not limited to Thailand.
If Thailand is getting on your nerves I strongly suggest Brazil. You can get everything from a top night club experience at $300 including a true 9 girl and drinks and a classy room onsite to a quick suck and fuck (BBBJ) with a hottie for $30. (Yep). The main draw if you have the coin To frequent Thai gogo, then will have true GFE in Brazil with someone even better looking. You will honestly believe that girl is into you — not just a forced GFE. It is truly the best place on earth at the moment IMO.
P.S. I often find guys who like Asians like Latinas also, plus there are a ton of Latina / Asian mixes to be had. So Brazil often lines up on taste also.
And yes German FKK gets more expensive for kissing and BBBJ from highest optic girlsThe thing is most of the time you can't get those services from the girls you want even if you pay.
The thing is most of the time you can't get those services from the girls you want even if you pay.Not really true, because most of the time you should not be choosing girls that give crap service. Repeating the great good service girls (with high optical score. Great face and body) is allowed. I found there are top girls happy to give a fantastic GFE, if I wasn't trying to get out of it with an el-cheapo 30 min quickie (for 50 Euros. Less than 2 k Baht). If CrocXP never found the great girls then I have to assume he was spending only 50 Euros (and in recent years).
In old days Thais were more reliable for service than Western girls, but I think the difference gap has dropped away. Black girls and Latinas have always been the most reliable for service overall in my experience, however there are certain countries from which I never had a bad service, e.g. Czech girls, Hungarian girls (sample not large though). They were always enthusiastic.
I accept the Breadman point that I don't have the same appeal to Thai girls that I had in 1991, even my sex skills have improved (most enthusiastic girls can orgasm in DATY or cowgirl or both). Fkk girls in Europe are very used to doing men far older than me (10 years older but look 20 years older), so I may seem just middle aged.
Not many of my girls want to do a lot of talking during sex, so I treat the Breadman point on communication problems as a total joke. If the girl talks too much (and I understand Thai very well), I would drop her. I am the peaceful loving type. One ex GF is annoying for me, as goes on and on, on the same point. I understood very well the first or second time.
I am not running off to Europe girls though. Thai girls are still a lot cheaper on a time basis. If you want 90 mins to 2 hours, in Europe becomes very expensive, and 4 hours to all night price is ridiculous. 30 mins quickie never worked for me. Of course if we want really cheap, then Cambodia is a better option.
Not really true, because most of the time you should not be choosing girls that give crap service. You are talking about something different. It is not as easy as you said and the reason is because they don't have to. Tell me a place where you can pay extra to get those services from a beautiful girl.
Lady drinks were 220 at king's castle 1 a couple of weeks ago. Only DFK from my girl. Not even a HJ for my 220 baht. Only some over the pants rubbing.
Goatscot, when were you last in a Germany fkk? You have to negotiate for a bbbj now for 50 euro. Girls want 100 euro now for dfk and bbbj.
Not sure when you last visited Jakarta either. I was there last week. Talent is way way down. I was counting the days to get back to pattaya gogo girls.You did well to get a DFK for price of lady drink in King's Castle. If you expect a HJ for 220 Baht, we should expel you to Cambodia. :) However I trust you were joking. Personally I have no interest in HJs at all (nor a massage) so no idea how much one should pay for that. However many years ago 500 was considered standard tip for a HJ in a "rub'n tug" MP.
I do agree lady drinks are too expensive with some bars charging 200 or more. I don't want to buy many drinks any more, and prefer my regular bargirls to visit me away from the bar. e.g. Shark bar has no excitement for me, simply because I like to see girls naked or at least topless, and I think the lady drinks are 200 or more these days. Just a waste of money to be there, other than to BF the girl. I can contact all my regular bargirls (unless already disappeared).
Talent cannot be way down in Jakarta. Makes no sense. I was there recently and pleased to see the lower prevalence of surgeries girls. What you really mean, most likely and just my guess, is the value for money is way down, because the hottest girls are expensive. Yes relatively few of the girls were hugely appealing to me, but I have become very fussy. Once you have a large line up though, bound to be able to find some girl with good looks.
You are talking about something different. It is not as easy as you said and the reason is because they don't have to. Tell me a place where you can pay extra to get those services from a beautiful girl.Not sure in what way it is "something different".
Maybe if the girl does not see you as a repeat customer possibility, she is not going to give you great service so easily, however I had plenty of girls that were really great the very first time, especially relatively new girls (not yet hardened). One girl from Hungary seemed so horny and just like a GF (but better) that I was totally hooked. Ascension to heaven session. Unfortunately she maybe wasn't cut out for that job and left. My main places were Oase, Sharks, and World (other places in the further past). This year Carla and Adele (oase girls - very experienced girls) were still giving me great GFE service, as they know I will spend more than 50 (don't try to get the world for a pittance) and they are not wasting their time and efforts. Both are orgasmic girls (when they are in the mood) too. You may need to pick up some highly recommended girls, to improve your odds a lot, so helps if you know some customers that are there every week, and get some tips from them. World was a place with great girls years ago, but don't know recently.
Yes I know there are crap girls too, especially German girls (only 50% success rate with Germans). They have the whole spectrum, but plenty of girls never ever gave me a bad service. Repeat sessions are usually better than the first session of course, but still some fab girls the first time. Latinas are very reliable, such that even some very ugly ones get good business, where I only try the prettier ones.
Any action around Khao San Road? Thanks.There are cheap ladies of the night (street walkers) that hang around Sanam Luang I have heard. However if you want to P4 P, I really suggest that you should not be in that area. Too far from good action. You could take a taxi to Chao Praya 2 soapy or Sao Botan (S. Botan) but I haven't checked lately if any talent there. Perhaps IDA Soapy would be much higher class, but perhaps a bit further away.
Not sure in what way it is "something different".For a 50 years old man who mongers for the fist time, where do you think he can get DFK easier from the top girls, Bangkok or FKK? BTW, I am not saying FKK is better.
Maybe if the girl does not see you as a repeat customer possibility, she is not going to give you great service so easily
You also said it right there.
It's been two years since I've been to Thailand but I love to read this and the Pattaya forum as it is always lively and takes me back. I do love the gogo and bar scene and hope to return soon.
I was just doing a recounting of various places I've been over the last few years (UK, Spain, Thailand, Germany, China, Japan, NZ, Brazil) and of these Thailand still is one of the most cost effective regardless of it "going downhill". And yes German FKK gets more expensive for kissing and BBBJ from highest optic girls, so the downward slope is not limited to Thailand.
If Thailand is getting on your nerves I strongly suggest Brazil. You can get everything from a top night club experience at $300 including a true 9 girl and drinks and a classy room onsite to a quick suck and fuck (BBBJ) with a hottie for $30. (Yep). The main draw if you have the coin To frequent Thai gogo, then will have true GFE in Brazil with someone even better looking. You will honestly believe that girl is into you not just a forced GFE. It is truly the best place on earth at the moment IMO.
P.S. I often find guys who like Asians like Latinas also, plus there are a ton of Latina / Asian mixes to be had. So Brazil often lines up on taste also.Totally agree, Brazil is on another level. GFE, PSE from an 8+ is easy to find. In thailand is is very hard to find on a consistent basis. On the whole Thai girls are a lot more conservative than latinas and euro girls.
Eszpresszo
12-21-18, 02:34
For a 50 years old man who mongers for the fist time, where do you think he can get DFK easier from the top girls, Bangkok or FKK? BTW, I am not saying FKK is better.
That's a completely hypothetical question that cannot be answered. Really. There are girls in every country that will kiss you and girls who won't. Whether or not they are "top girls" (whatever that means) is not likely to be a factor. Though your low end girls like you will find in Santa Fe (Bogota) or ACE / Richmoore (Kuala Lumpur) often give you as little as they can get away with in the 15 minutes you paid for, expensive girls can do the same. Some girls won't let you get your lips near their face (Colombia) without ponying up a bit more cash. There are girls who will tolerate some brief French kissing in Thailand to be sure. Just don't push it unless you can see she is into it. The first German freelancer I hooked up with Berlin engaged in DFK for at least 10 minutes as part of the regular program for the hour I paid. Others will want a surcharge up front (as often specified on Kaufmich.com) as mongering Germany can really get to a "cafeteria plan" that will add up. The next German freelancer gave me an excellent cat bath I will never forget, but didn't exchange tongues until she was riding me cowgirl, apparently realized my time was up, and decided giving me some deep tongue action would hasten me to blow my load (it worked, too). Another massage girl in Bangkok was giving me a BBBJ and then decided to give me DFK while she finished me off with her hand. A clever way to avoid a load of jizz in her mouth, I think.
My suggestion is that if DFK is so important to you, then forget mongering and get a real girlfriend. If that doesn't sound good to you, then just go and try mongering a bit in different places. Don't worry about the nuances. Every encounter with a new girl will be uncertain, and that's the exciting part. You might not get everything you thought you wanted, but might instead get something you never expected. Like an excellent cat bath you will never forget or a 10-minute long "Black Kiss". But, if you are trying to hash this details before you go anywhere, you will either go and be disappointed or never getting around to going at all. And forget about this GFE nonsense you see people posting about. Its just a myth. Mongering is really fun, so just take it for what it is. Don't expect to be anything like a real intimate relationship.
Eszpresszo
12-21-18, 02:44
P.S. I often find guys who like Asians like Latinas also, plus there are a ton of Latina / Asian mixes to be had. So Brazil often lines up on taste also.Yep! Some of us like our women with a bit of color in them, and on the petite side. In addition, I'm tired of white girls. I started eyeing them when I was 12, now I'm 61. I find them unexciting, overfed and generally annoying. And yes, a trip to Brazil is in the cards for me.
Banana Boi
12-21-18, 02:50
For a 50 years old man who mongers for the fist time, where do you think he can get DFK easier from the top girls, Bangkok or FKK? BTW, I am not saying FKK is better.Every single FKK girl will DFK, BBBJ / CIM IF the price is right! That can't be said about every single Thai, Indo, Viet, and even Cambo girl. Romanians will do anything for cash. Top Romanian girls even go with guys who are 60+ and balding. However, with the new laws in Germany that came in to play a year and a half ago, few girls now offer DFK and BBBJ for a simple 50 euro session. They all want 100 euro now. CIM has always been 50 euro extra.
In my experience, DFK in Pattaya is quite standard for me. Spent nearly 2 hours with one of my favorite girls yesterday DFK, HJ, tons of lap dancing all for 2 lady drinks. I wasn't being cheap. I asked her several times if she wanted more drinks and she refused. Don't settle for less than DFK and lap dancing after buying a Thai girl a lady drink.
One girl from Hungary seemed so horny and just like a GF (but better) that I was totally hooked. Ascension to heaven session.
Hungarians are the best. Possibility because I can speak Hungarian. If Hungarian, Polish, Czech, and German girls still dominated FKK clubs I would be living in Germany now rather than Thailand. Even though the Romanians can be gorgeous and some can provide GFE most imo are robotic sex toys. A Hungarian vs. a Romie is like comparing sex with a Soi 6 girl vs. a soapie girl. One is a sex machine the other has her mechanical moves.
You did well to get a DFK for price of lady drink in King's Castle.
DFK is standard at KC1 and KC2 not only for me but for all the guys I take there. Admittedly KC1 mileage has reduced since the renovations. It was pure raunch there only a year ago. Then again, did see a Thai guy eating out a girl last month. I'm in Bangkok for the next week. Line me if you want to head out to Thermae or some gogo bars.
I do agree lady drinks are too expensive with some bars charging 200 or more. I don't want to buy many drinks any more, and prefer my regular bargirls to visit me away from the bar.
OK I thought it was just me who has almost stopped buying lady drinks for girls. Girls I used to buy 3 or 5 drinks for now get 0 or 2. Even had a Sapphire girl recently ask me if I lost my job because I am so cheap with her now! That made me laugh. Didn't bother explaining to her I stopped buying her drinks because I no longer get a HJ and DFK from her after buying her a drink.
Agree one of the biggest advantages of living in Thailand is you don't have to pay barfines. You can just wait to meet up with on their days off.
Hate to point out the elephant in the room (heard Thailand has those as well) but maybe as you've aged you don't have the same draw as you did when you were in your 40's?
Absolutely agree with this but so many guys on ISG still believe they can get top girls by just opening their wallets. If you're older and think it's all about money try walking around with some young pups like Phazze and MP and see if you attract more cat calls from the girls than they receive.
Banana Boi
12-21-18, 03:42
I've skipped Nana and Soi Cowboy my last 4 trips to BKK but I will try to visit them this trip since I haven't been to either since August. Can you gogo guys please list the top 3 gogo bars that I must see in Cowboy and Nana? My preference are girls under 25, cute face is a MUST, I can tolerate non-skinny if cuter than cute, no fat chicks, nice boobs are a bonus, no fakes, no baby damage, but just as important as their cute face I want girls who are fun. I have Asian taste in girls meaning eye and nose surgeries do not bother me. Bar does not necessarily need to be a topless bar. Thanks and will report back.
Also, if anyone has any recent reports on Patpong gogo bars that would be great. Was in Patpong 2 weeks ago and it was rather disappointing but it was early in the week.
Member #4698
12-21-18, 04:59
I've skipped Nana and Soi Cowboy my last 4 trips to BKK but I will try to visit them this trip since I haven't been to either since August. Can you gogo guys please list the top 3 gogo bars that I must see in Cowboy and Nana? My preference are girls under 25, cute face is a MUST, I can tolerate non-skinny if cuter than cute, no fat chicks, nice boobs are a bonus, no fakes, no baby damage, but just as important as their cute face I want girls who are fun. I have Asian taste in girls meaning eye and nose surgeries do not bother me. Bar does not necessarily need to be a topless bar. Thanks and will report back.On Soi Cowboy I like Baccara, believe it or not. They have a ton of girls and the ground floor "A" set of dancers has some attractive cuties. My 3rd favorite NEW BKK Go Go girl of 2018 works in Baccara. Her and her 3 girlfriends are young, sexy cute little spinners. Sadly, the rest of the Go Go's on Cowboy just don't do it for me anymore. Crazy House I guess is still worth a look see, but it has gone downhill since it's glory days when it was easily the # 1 Go Go in BKK. They need to find fresh new talent and soon.
In Nana: I like RB4 mainly because that's where I found my favorite NEW BKK Go Go girl of 2018. I call her my Atomic Blonde because 1) when we 1st met she was platinum blonde having just arrived in BKK from Japan where she had been living for a year, 2) she is a tigress in bed, and 3) I had just seen that silly Charlize Theron movie of the same name the previous night. A few weeks after we met, Atomic went back to her natural hair color, but still looks pretty good to me, although not as striking. 555. She is in Phuket right now, but I am looking forward to seeing her again in BKK in the spring.
I also like good old' Twister (2nd floor). It may have gone downhill a little since 2017, but I think they still have some sexy girls there. Anyway, I found a couple there to my liking. And lastly, I like Billboard. Who doesn't?
Patpong you know. Kings Castle 1 & 2 - great Go Go's.
My recommendations above are based on my girly preferences for young girls, cute faces, sexy, no fat bodies with natural breasts, friendly personalities and the subsequent results I achieved with them. Of the bars I mentioned above, Twister, Billboard, and Kings Castle have the best in bar hanky panky in that order. Baccara ground floor is very reserved. I would be somewhat surprised if you DFK a girl in there, at least on the ground floor. More can happen on the 2nd and 3rd floor, so move upstairs once you have found what you are looking for or just take her out of the bar. Crazy House is still really good for in Bar fooling around. And perhaps this is a little off topic, but I want to mention it anyway, hahaha, my favorite fooling around bars in the world are #1 Bottoms Bar on Burgos in Makati and #2 Malio Club in Jakarta. Oh brother, the things I have done in those bars with 1, 2, even 3 girls at a time. It amazes me.
And perhaps this is a little off topic, but I want to mention it anyway, hahaha, my favorite fooling around bars in the world are #1 Bottoms Bar on Burgos in Makati and #2 Malio Club in Jakarta. Oh brother, the things I have done in those bars with 1, 2, even 3 girls at a time. It amazes me.Natty, that got a big smile out of me because your #1, Bottoms on Burgos St. In Makati, was my favorite fooling around in the bar back in the day, too. No bar in Thailand even came close then or now. Good to know it is still happening there.
In Nana: I like RB4 mainly because that's where I found my favorite NEW BKK Go Go girl of 2018. I call her my Atomic Blonde because 1) when we 1st met she was platinum blonde having just arrived in BKK from Japan where she had been living for a year, 2) she is a tigress in bed, and 3) I had just seen that silly Charlize Theron movie of the same name the previous night. A few weeks after we met, Atomic went back to her natural hair color, but still looks pretty good to me, although not as striking. 555. She is in Phuket right now, but I am looking forward to seeing her again in BKK in the spring.
I also like good old' Twister (2nd floor). It may have gone downhill a little since 2017, but I think they still have some sexy girls there. Anyway, I found a couple there to my liking. And lastly, I like Billboard. Who doesn't?
BB,
I went to RB4 too, and his atomic blonde was the one I would have preferred too, by the length of the straight. Mainly due to her face (but body as well). Did not really find another equal to her. However girls seemed to improve a lot when they went topless. Seeing a nice natural set uncovered is a nice enhancement for me. Joke (that is actually a non enhancement).
Twisters has gone downhill. Billboard is easily the best in my view despite being rather dark in there. Nearly added a racist joke but better not, in case anyone easily offended. Generally can find multiple pretty slim models in there, even a few with surgeries.
Girls already seem to be complaining that Bangkok has become very quiet and business is well down. Not many customers in the shops.
Engine Driver
12-22-18, 07:36
Girls already seem to be complaining that Bangkok has become very quiet and business is well down. Not many customers in the shops.Do those illiterate bird brains understand that the customers might have to spend Christmas and New Year with their wives and children back home? You know, to maintain some semblance of normality?
Do those illiterate bird brains understand that the customers might have to spend Christmas and New Year with their wives and children back home? You know, to maintain some semblance of normality?Nah, mostly they nothing about Christmas, and may hope that many guys have no wife and kids. Did we all know that Thais give presents on Christmas Eve? Nah, I know now, but in 1991 I got into a girl's bad books, because I had no idea. I even failed to get her a Happy New Year card (we must "Sor. Kor. Sor. "Song Khwaam Suk" or wish happiness on new years eve). Presents for Christmas did not count, since Thais don't know Christmas. Can you read all the books written in Thai language or are you "Illiterate"? Just kidding, however it is not nice to use such prejudicial language, just because some girls do not read books in English nor watch U.S. Tv shows and sitcoms. Christmas is not universal. Could be said we are poorly educated if we don't know that.
I know two girls from extremely poor backgrounds, both cannot speak or read English, one from mountains of Myanmar, and another from Laos. We can message each other however in Thai script, and speak to each other in Thai language, not first language of any of us. Their spelling may not be perfect (likewise mine) yet despite their very low education (not permitted by parents to do advanced study), they are not illiterate.
Many Thais know little about western stars. They have no reason to be interested. Like I comment to the Thai girl that I like the song in the gogo bar sung by Rihanna, but some girls have never heard of Rihanna (some other girls do like particular western singers), and would not understand the words of the song as well. Do we know all the latest big star Thai singers? No, probably not. I know a few from way back but pay no attention to the latest ones.
Banana Boi
12-22-18, 09:42
Thanks syzy and natty. Baccara rb4 twisters are my normal bars. I hardly ever see girls my type at billboard. Has it dramatically improved in the past 2 months? I was hoping someone might have some good insight on a bar that is not well reviewed and was hot this week.
Girls already seem to be complaining that Bangkok has become very quiet and business is well down. Not many customers in the shops.Interesting I just left terminal 21 and it was as busy as I've ever seen it.
Girls already seem to be complaining that Bangkok has become very quiet and business is well down. Not many customers in the shops.I thought it's now tourist high season?
Thanks syzy and natty. Baccara rb4 twisters are my normal bars. I hardly ever see girls my type at billboard. Has it dramatically improved in the past 2 months? I was hoping someone might have some good insight on a bar that is not well reviewed and was hot this week.
Interesting I just left terminal 21 and it was as busy as I've ever seen it.Shark Bar. Has been getting a bit of buzz of late. That is coming from a Caucasian point of view. Baccara & RB4 aim more at the Asian clientele so Shark may not be to your taste but it is worth mentioning none the less.
Banana Boi
12-22-18, 16:54
Live update from Thermae. Jam packed. Tons of girls at least 150 possibly hitting 200 girls. No where to walk. Lots of guys too but they're all confused on which hottie to take. Lots of them here tonight! Girls grabbing me left and right they are desperate tonight! Love it! Screw gogo bars. Get your butt to Thermae!
I invited one of my 'retired' regulars to work at Thermae tonight. Busty thin blonde girl. Very cute. Guys are trying to pick her up left and right. Been fun watching her rejecting everyone. Maybe she's putting on a show for me.
One decent looking girl kept hitting on me. She asked where my hotel was. I said Bang Na since that's very far away. She was still willing to come with me. Need to make my hotel even further away next time.
Walked through 7/1 twice earlier tonight. Wood Bar had one that was ok. May head back for her another night. Too many ladyboys on that soi. Walked up and down some of the massage sois late this afternoon. Not much. Best I saw was on 11/1 but when I went back she was gone or maybe just busy.
Live update from Thermae. Jam packed. Tons of girls at least 150 possibly hitting 200 girls. No where to walk. Lots of guys too but they're all confused on which hottie to take. Lots of them here tonight! Girls grabbing me left and right they are desperate tonight! Love it! Screw gogo bars. Get your butt to Thermae!. Guess I'll go there first shortly. Interesting, a man taking a phone just to update the global punters "live". I'll be watching for a guy playing with his phone :D
Member #4591
12-22-18, 17:10
Live update from Thermae. Jam packed. Tons of girls at least 150 possibly hitting 200 girls. No where to walk. Lots of guys too but they're all confused on which hottie to take. Lots of them here tonight! Girls grabbing me left and right they are desperate tonight! Love it! Screw gogo bars. Get your butt to Thermae!
I invited one of my 'retired' regulars to work at Thermae tonight. Busty thin blonde girl. Very cute. Guys are trying to pick her up left and right. Been fun watching her rejecting everyone. Maybe she's putting on a show for me.
Walked through 7/1 twice earlier tonight. Wood Bar had one that was ok. May head back for her another night. Too many ladyboys on that soi. Walked up and down some of the massage sois late this afternoon. Not much. Best I saw was on 11/1 but when I went back she was gone or maybe just busy.The reason is obvious. Most of these girls are part timers and they need money to take home for New Years.
The reason is obvious. Most of these girls are part timers and they need money to take home for New Years.Mr. Bkkdog, can you PM me? I would like your counsel privately on several matters. Thanks in advance.
PointDexterJr
12-22-18, 17:55
Greetings my follow mongers,
I am contemplating Thailand as my next stop.
In reading this, it appear that the bars require a few drinks, a "penalty" for taking the girls out, and to pay the girl. So 200 tb for drinks, 100 tb for penalty, and 2000-3000 tb for the girl. At least 4000-5000 tb all in all. About $150 USD. Plus you need to have a hotel.
Wow. No bargain that I expected, but then my expectations might be unreal.
Does Thailand not have the equivalent of the "fishbowl houses" like in Singapore, or the "Fuji" house like Hong Kong?
I prefer to go to the girls incall. Can someone enlighten me?
I invited one of my 'retired' regulars to work at Thermae tonight. Busty thin blonde girl. Very cute. Guys are trying to pick her up left and right. Been fun watching her rejecting everyone. Guys are hitting on your girl while she is there with you?
Member #4591
12-22-18, 18:40
Mr. Bkkdog, can you PM me? I would like your counsel privately on several matters. Thanks in advance.Done! Check your PM.
Hi,
Anyone come across short hair girls at any of the MPs.
Please do help, PM if possible.
Thanks.
Live update from Thermae. Jam packed. Tons of girls at least 150 possibly hitting 200 girls. No where to walk. Lots of guys too but they're all confused on which hottie to take. Lots of them here tonight! Girls grabbing me left and right they are desperate tonight! Love it! Screw gogo bars. Get your butt to Thermae.Banana Boi's report was spot on. The place was indeed packed. Throngs of Japanese and especially Koreans. In groups. And somewhat loud (koreans much more so than japanese, that's one way of telling them apart, if you cannot recognize the languages) . But yes indeed lots of girls.
"lots of hotties". Hmm. I dunno. Some? I'll be honest Thermae hasn; t worked for me in a long time. Especially since it turned "Asian" and became a lineup without much interaction from the girls.
I was somewhat tempted by one girl who grabbed me. But upon conversation and closer interaction I realize she's a bit older and not quite my type. Also had that look of a "regular freelancer" if you know what I mean (I could be dead on wrong, just speculation on my end). She quoted 2500 baht short time. I ultimately demurred.
Was going to go home alone but on the way out. Spied one I had not particularly noticed inside. For whatever reason I decided she was "the one". Had a really fresh, no makeup face and the perfect "girl next door" look and I figured if I'm here for a real freelancer. Let's get one who looks like a real occasional freelancer.
Luckily, she stood off to the side outside so I saw her. Approached her. And started a short conversation. She quoted me 3000 short and 6000 long. A bit standoffish at the beginning. But her English was fairly good and I found her biting sarcasm, etc very appealing. In short order it was back to my room (she left her car parked by Thermae. I was surprised, but she told me many girls drive their cars to Thermae) She's a travel agent and comes to Thermae on occasion to make money. She says it's "easy money" . When I gave her the 3, 3 and 3 Joke. She laughed. And said it was basically true (had not heard that one before).
Took my time back in the room, was a complete gentleman, which made her relaxed. (she said most customers, especially Asians (sorry guys if you're Asian, don't kill the messenger) were kind of obnoxious and rude (she pointed out Koreans, Japanese not so much. Which fits in with my observations being familiar with Korea / Koreans, they'll get that way when drunk and in a group, which I guess makes them the same as most Englishmen LOL).
but those cultures, similar to the Mexican, for e.g. and other Latin cultures.. suffer from the "Mary/*****" (ho') complex... where a prostitute is not respected as a woman, she's merely an orifice.
Anyways, she was 35. looked 30. She gave me one of the best BBBJ's ever (top 2 in Thailand, and I've had a few) (originally she wanted to blow me with a condom, I had to break down that barrier with some on the spot testing). I'll take the freelancer milf every time, if I wanted a fresh faced girl, I wouldn't go Thermae for that (though there are the sporadic ones), I'd go get a bar girl.
And after giving the shaft and my balls a fantastic workout. Basically took off her panties and impaled herself on me in mish.
2 orgasms later on her part and one on my part, we were done. Complete GFE (which few of her customers, if any, get because they are "rude", and not "polite") Plus, maybe, just maybe she finally dug me a little after I made her to feel relaxed.
So. Overall a huge huge success. First one in Thermae in a long long time. Probably my best EVER Thermae experience. She got her 3 K and then some. Because it was my first night and I enjoyed her so much. She will be back in my bed again as I got her line (however, because she actually a has a real job with actual responsibilities, it cannot be "on calll", it will have to be prearranged before hand).
Anyways. Gentlemen. THAT is why we still go to Thailand even though short time is now almost 100 USD and the picking seem so much worse than a decade ago, much less 20 years ago.
P.S. I was going to hit Thermae anyways, but thanks for making the decision final Bananaboi.
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Thanks.Had a session with one at Chrome Bar on Soi 7/1 off Sukhumvit a few weeks back. Can't recall her name. Not very curvy. Solid trim body. Good Nuru. Took direction well.
Eszpresszo
12-23-18, 00:54
Live update from Thermae. Jam packed. Tons of girls at least 150 possibly hitting 200 girls. No where to walk. Lots of guys too but they're all confused on which hottie to take. Lots of them here tonight! Girls grabbing me left and right they are desperate tonight! Love it! Screw gogo bars. Get your butt to Thermae!
Walked through 7/1 twice earlier tonight. Wood Bar had one that was ok. May head back for her another night. Too many ladyboys on that soi. Walked up and down some of the massage sois late this afternoon. Not much. Best I saw was on 11/1 but when I went back she was gone or maybe just busy.I have been to Thermae and can say with complete certainty that you cannot fit that many girls in there. Its a small bar. You enthusiasm for the place is out of place with the reality of the place. The girls there have a reputation for being aloof and I found that to be true. No girls grabbing anybody. Unless that is a different Thermae that is not under the Hotel Ruamchitt Plaza. If you are worried about ladyboys, then stay away from Thermae as the entrance to Ruamchitt Plaza is nearly blocked by a horde of them late in the evening.
She's a travel agent and comes to Thermae on occasion to make moneyI am read reports on someone similar, travel agent with a car in Chinese forum a few years ago.
Had a session with one at Chrome Bar on Soi 7/1 off Sukhumvit a few weeks back. Can't recall her name. Not very curvy. Solid trim body. Good Nuru. Took direction well.Funny requirement, short hair. Pheung (ex Annies No. 14) should be working at either Chrome bar or Wood bar, not sure which. Slim but very curvy and good tits (natural) like Halle Berry, except a bit short. A Tom boy but likes dick okay Too, so bi-sexual. A very good GFE session for me.
Pheung means "Honey Bee"
Was going to go home alone but on the way out. Spied one I had not particularly noticed inside. For whatever reason I decided she was "the one". Had a really fresh, no makeup face and the perfect "girl next door" look and I figured if I'm here for a real freelancer. Let's get one who looks like a real occasional freelancer.
Catire, excellent realistic report. I agree that the part timers can often have a better attitude if you appeal to them. In old days it was most part timers needing some pocket money, and I enjoyed that more.
Steve 9696
12-23-18, 02:20
Banana Boi's report was spot on. The place was indeed packed. Throngs of Japanese and especially Koreans. In groups. And somewhat loud (koreans much more so than japanese, that's one way of telling them apart, if you cannot recognize the languages) . But yes indeed lots of girls.
"lots of hotties". Hmm. I dunno. Some? I'll be honest Thermae hasn; t worked for me in a long time. Especially since it turned "Asian" and became a lineup without much interaction from the girls.
I was somewhat tempted by one girl who grabbed me. But upon conversation and closer interaction I realize she's a bit older and not quite my type. Also had that look of a "regular freelancer" if you know what I mean (I could be dead on wrong, just speculation on my end). She quoted 2500 baht short time. I ultimately demurred.
Was going to go home alone but on the way out. Spied one I had not particularly noticed inside. For whatever reason I decided she was "the one". Had a really fresh, no makeup face and the perfect "girl next door" look and I figured if I'm here for a real freelancer. Let's get one who looks like a real occasional freelancer.
Luckily, she stood off to the side outside so I saw her. Approached her. And started a short conversation. She quoted me 3000 short and 6000 long. A bit standoffish at the beginning. But her English was fairly good and I found her biting sarcasm, etc very appealing. In short order it was back to my room (she left her car parked by Thermae. I was surprised, but she told me many girls drive their cars to Thermae) She's a travel agent and comes to Thermae on occasion to make money. She says it's "easy money" . When I gave her the 3, 3 and 3 Joke. She laughed. And said it was basically true (had not heard that one before).
Took my time back in the room, was a complete gentleman, which made her relaxed. (she said most customers, especially Asians (sorry guys if you're Asian, don't kill the messenger) were kind of obnoxious and rude (she pointed out Koreans, Japanese not so much. Which fits in with my observations being familiar with Korea / Koreans, they'll get that way when drunk and in a group, which I guess makes them the same as most Englishmen LOL).
but those cultures, similar to the Mexican, for e.g. and other Latin cultures.. suffer from the "Mary/*****" (ho') complex... where a prostitute is not respected as a woman, she's merely an orifice.
Anyways, she was 35. looked 30. She gave me one of the best BBBJ's ever (top 2 in Thailand, and I've had a few) (originally she wanted to blow me with a condom, I had to break down that barrier with some on the spot testing). I'll take the freelancer milf every time, if I wanted a fresh faced girl, I wouldn't go Thermae for that (though there are the sporadic ones), I'd go get a bar girl.
And after giving the shaft and my balls a fantastic workout. Basically took off her panties and impaled herself on me in mish.
2 orgasms later on her part and one on my part, we were done. Complete GFE (which few of her customers, if any, get because they are "rude", and not "polite") Plus, maybe, just maybe she finally dug me a little after I made her to feel relaxed.
So. Overall a huge huge success. First one in Thermae in a long long time. Probably my best EVER Thermae experience. She got her 3 K and then some. Because it was my first night and I enjoyed her so much. She will be back in my bed again as I got her line (however, because she actually a has a real job with actual responsibilities, it cannot be "on calll", it will have to be prearranged before hand).
Anyways. Gentlemen. THAT is why we still go to Thailand even though short time is now almost 100 USD and the picking seem so much worse than a decade ago, much less 20 years ago.
P.S. I was going to hit Thermae anyways, but thanks for making the decision final Bananaboi.Great report. Sorry to be ignorant but can you elaborate on on the spot testing? What can you do in short order to make her comfy? Thanks.
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2 orgasms later on her part and one on my part, we were done. Complete GFE (which few of her customers, if any, get because they are "rude", and not "polite") Plus, maybe, just maybe she finally dug me a little after I made her to feel relaxed.
So. Overall a huge huge success. First one in Thermae in a long long time. Probably my best EVER Thermae experience. She got her 3 K and then some. Because it was my first night and I enjoyed her so much. She will be back in my bed again as I got her line (however, because she actually a has a real job with actual responsibilities, it cannot be "on calll", it will have to be prearranged before hand).
Thanks for the report, Catire. But my annoyingly inquiring mind would like to ask a question, if you please. Little by little it seems the terms "True GFE" or "Real GFE" vs mere "GFE" have acquired a more specific meaning to some of us here at ISG. That being more specifically a euphemism for BBFS+CIP (and sometimes possibly BBBJ+CIM/Swallow, I suppose, but not usually). And those euphemisms have come in handy particularly when the poster has in some way identified the girl by name or photo. It has become a way for us to apply a more objective definition to the term "GFE" rather than a totally subjective definition regarding behavior like that she smiled throughout, was sweet to you, kissed you a lot, hugged you with seemingly real meaning and so on.
So now we see you using the term "Complete GFE" in this case. Since you did not identify the lady by name or photo, are you saying she delivered the same thing many of us are now referring to with the terms "True GFE" or "Real GFE"?
Faceless78
12-23-18, 07:34
Banana Boi's report was spot on. The place was indeed packed. Throngs of Japanese and especially Koreans. In groups. And somewhat loud (koreans much more so than japanese, that's one way of telling them apart, if you cannot recognize the languages) . But yes indeed lots of girls.
"lots of hotties". Hmm. I dunno. Some? I'll be honest Thermae hasn; t worked for me in a long time. Especially since it turned "Asian" and became a lineup without much interaction from the girls.
I was somewhat tempted by one girl who grabbed me. But upon conversation and closer interaction I realize she's a bit older and not quite my type. Also had that look of a "regular freelancer" if you know what I mean (I could be dead on wrong, just speculation on my end). She quoted 2500 baht short time. I ultimately demurred.
Was going to go home alone but on the way out. Spied one I had not particularly noticed inside. For whatever reason I decided she was "the one". Had a really fresh, no makeup face and the perfect "girl next door" look and I figured if I'm here for a real freelancer. Let's get one who looks like a real occasional freelancer.
Luckily, she stood off to the side outside so I saw her. Approached her. And started a short conversation. She quoted me 3000 short and 6000 long. A bit standoffish at the beginning. But her English was fairly good and I found her biting sarcasm, etc very appealing. In short order it was back to my room (she left her car parked by Thermae. I was surprised, but she told me many girls drive their cars to Thermae) She's a travel agent and comes to Thermae on occasion to make money. She says it's "easy money" . When I gave her the 3, 3 and 3 Joke. She laughed. And said it was basically true (had not heard that one before).
Took my time back in the room, was a complete gentleman, which made her relaxed. (she said most customers, especially Asians (sorry guys if you're Asian, don't kill the messenger) were kind of obnoxious and rude (she pointed out Koreans, Japanese not so much. Which fits in with my observations being familiar with Korea / Koreans, they'll get that way when drunk and in a group, which I guess makes them the same as most Englishmen LOL).
but those cultures, similar to the Mexican, for e.g. and other Latin cultures.. suffer from the "Mary/*****" (ho') complex... where a prostitute is not respected as a woman, she's merely an orifice.
Anyways, she was 35. looked 30. She gave me one of the best BBBJ's ever (top 2 in Thailand, and I've had a few) (originally she wanted to blow me with a condom, I had to break down that barrier with some on the spot testing). I'll take the freelancer milf every time, if I wanted a fresh faced girl, I wouldn't go Thermae for that (though there are the sporadic ones), I'd go get a bar girl.
And after giving the shaft and my balls a fantastic workout. Basically took off her panties and impaled herself on me in mish.
2 orgasms later on her part and one on my part, we were done. Complete GFE (which few of her customers, if any, get because they are "rude", and not "polite") Plus, maybe, just maybe she finally dug me a little after I made her to feel relaxed.
So. Overall a huge huge success. First one in Thermae in a long long time. Probably my best EVER Thermae experience. She got her 3 K and then some. Because it was my first night and I enjoyed her so much. She will be back in my bed again as I got her line (however, because she actually a has a real job with actual responsibilities, it cannot be "on calll", it will have to be prearranged before hand).
Anyways. Gentlemen. THAT is why we still go to Thailand even though short time is now almost 100 USD and the picking seem so much worse than a decade ago, much less 20 years ago.
P.S. I was going to hit Thermae anyways, but thanks for making the decision final Bananaboi.It' s fun to read your post, I got a feeling that I was standing next to all the way along.
Member #4591
12-23-18, 09:10
Hey guys. Just a reminder to not fall for these scams in Thai Friendly. Never transfer money in part or all before you meet the girl no matter how hot she is. The attached photos, profile and offer she sent me are attached for you.
One decent looking girl kept hitting on me. She asked where my hotel was. I said Bang Na since that's very far away. She was still willing to come with me. Need to make my hotel even further away next time.Nice try BB but then she will say: I know ST hotel LOL.
Hey guys. Just a reminder to not fall for these scams in Thai Friendly. Never transfer money in part or all before you meet the girl no matter how hot she is. The attached photos, profile and offer she sent me are attached for you.I'm interested in your thoughts on why you consider paying a girl 100% upfront via smooci is ok but 20% upfront to a freelancer unacceptable. Aren't they both facing the both risks (unknown John's, locations etc). They are both charging 5 k ST so it's not as if one is adding in a larger risk premium.
I'll admit I'm not aware of smooci's claims process (on both sides) should something go wrong or how much of a cut the girl must give them.
For the record, I have never paid a freelancer a prepayment outside of my hotel room.
Cheers, G.
Gentlemen,
To answer your questions.
What I did to make her more comfortable was we both took an Oraquik test. (and she noticed my wristband, I'm picking up my hospital results today from Bumgugrad, to save on test kits for myself).
She mentioned that she blew off a Korean who asked for BBBJ inside and offered to pay more. Had she mentioned this immediately outside of Thermae, I may have cut her loose right there and then, but fate was on my side. (several things happened that would have made me cut her loose, for e. G. 3000st for freelancer at Thermae I think is immediate overcharge, as 2500 seems to be going rate. But I liked something about this girl, and said fuck it, we'll see what happens, if I lose 100 bucks for nothing, I'll allow it to happen this time).
I let her look her up the kit in Thai. So she was sure it was legit. And I was otherwise, just gentle and non pressuring. I didn't act like a "customer". (sometimes this bites one in the ass, but I'll often err this way more than others, because payoff is better).
Even after I got my terrific BBBJ, she muttered something about putting on a condom, but that's when I murmured "even though we took the test"??
(what was weird, is that she didn't put herself through my usual BFE, where I kiss and lick the girls (that I like, which are the ones I choose LOL) all over to get them hot, bothered and horny).
For a moment I thought I was getting "professionally played", but after she got on top of me and I grabbed her ass a bit, I could tell she was kind of hot and bothered already. Next thing you know she's slipping of her panties and then slyly asked me "can I put it in" I was like "yes, please".
Next thing you know I'm in balls deep, she's moaning and we're off to the races. I think she was clearly inherently horny that night and the pieces just so aligned that she decided to take this vehicle to satisfy her own horniness. If you saw the view I saw of her in mish, you would know she wasn't faking it. Even the best actresses cannot come up with such a look, and the little sounds, etc. (the ones who try to fake it tend to be obvious fakers, to my ears at least). She was wet without much foreplay and she was quite tight.
Re GFE well I define that as being treated in bed like a lover. Not a client. And there's a difference. I was treated more like a "client" in that she was doing all of the work early on without much foreplay, which made me suspicious, but once the fucking started, she did little great things, like exquisitely suck on my nipples, (she was amazing) . I had to really control and pace myself to make sure I didn't explode much earlier than I wanted. It was difficult given how good she was and felt. I COULD have CIP, but I promised her beforehand that I would pull out (no need to further complicate matters) and when I did, she grabbed it with her hand and it was one of the best wet handjobs just as I was finishing. Milked every drop out. CIM was not discusssed. (can't really combine CIP and CIM can you? Seems contradictory. there was DFK, well maybe not so deep, so let's say FK. That helped set the mood as I kissed her tenderly and made her more comfortable.
(Yes I will admit that this CAN be part of a "client" experience, especially in a place like Brazil), but it's fairly rare and you'd always be wearing a rubber)
Sorry, will not provide a pic. I would only do that with the girl's willing permission and I strongly doubt she'd want it, so I won't even ask. It seems like she has no problem finding customers when she needs to.
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(she told me some more interesting tales of her "monger interactions".
In a final nice finishing touch, I noticed later (could not in beginning since she was doing the work) that she was not bald down there, but had a normal thickety patch of hair (perhaps trimmed somewhat).
Which is another mark of "I'm not a professional hooker" (at least still so in certain countries).
p.s. other comments.. Don't know how many girls there were counting wise, but place was full of them. 100? 80? whatever the number is. YES. I agree that they tend to be "standoffish", probably catering to current Asian customer tastes?? Seemed more interactive back in the day? (the girls weren't as "lined up"?) I've always had a big issue with this.. btw. I did not get grabbed other than that one time, which described..did get one big come hither smile from another but wasn't interested. The Asian customers seemed to get a lot more attention, for e.g. with inviting smiles..and an occassional slight arm grab.
I found this amusing - that's when you saw me standing there and smiling. but it didn't bother me. Whatever.
two funny customer anecdotes. An Indian came up to my girl and she quoted him the 3000 ST. He countered with 1500. I laughed and told her that's what Indians do.. they are innate bargainers.. it's cultural. She told me she told the guy that she will go with him for 1500 but since he's paying half price he can only put it halfway inside and she'll constantly watch to make sure no more than half was in. Apparently the Indian guy had a sense of humor and chuckled at this. (she enjoys being somewhat "evil" with customers, which is why I liked her so much hahaha)
what really annoyed her was several Koreans came up to her asked whether they would be "the first" that night. (this to me, is actually a fair question, but it should be couched in tender terms). Her reply to them was to come at 8 pm or so and then they could be sure that they were the "first" LOL
another interesting thing was she said she cannot "say no to a customer", so if she's trying to not have a guy, she will simply hike prices. Told me a vignetted where she upped her price to 7000 baht thinking that would scare the guy away, but he accepted. And she had to go with him. (I immediately told her this would happen if she didn't hike prices in a BIG way) LOL
I do agree it's tough to establish a rapport with a Thermae girl given the atmosphere and the way it works these days. But one has to kind of try. That was my lesson.
Member #4591
12-23-18, 11:23
I'm interested in your thoughts on why you consider paying a girl 100% upfront via smooci is ok but 20% upfront to a freelancer unacceptable. Aren't they both facing the both risks (unknown John's, locations etc). They are both charging 5 k ST so it's not as if one is adding in a larger risk premium.
I'll admit I'm not aware of smooci's claims process (on both sides) should something go wrong or how much of a cut the girl must give them.
For the record, I have never paid a freelancer a prepayment outside of my hotel room.
Cheers, G.The answer is so obvious don't you think? If I transfer a deposit to a lady who I don't know before she comes to my room, what do you think will happen? She won't show up! IF she finds 3 suckers each day, that's 3000 per day. LOL common sense! You can't compare that to smooci. With smooci, the girl comes to your room and I know I will get fucked. With freelancers or escorts you meet on smooci or in the bar or online, the reason we don't like to pay upfront is because after payment, the service might be terrible and promises are not kept. You might even get a runner who agreed to LT but goes after the first pop. Think of it like this. You are in a bar, would you bar fine the girl, give her all the money and then trust her to meet you the next day for the session? No of course not. Would you talk with a lady on line in Thai Friendly before your holiday and send her a prepayment before you arrive in Thailand? Of course not! You can't compare prepaying a smooci girl or any freelancer in your room with transferring money to a stranger on line before she comes to meet you. Are you sure you understood my post? This is all common sense.
As for smooci, I always put the money on the table and the girls have no reason to believe I won't pay. I have never had any smooci girl grab the money until after the session. And what if you paid the smooci girl in your room and then she just left, you could call smooci and they would help you. These two scenarios are not even remotely good comaparisons.
Never transfer money to these girls online before they come to your room. Common sense. I fail to see the logic in your question. Sorry.
I am read reports on someone similar, travel agent with a car in Chinese forum a few years ago.Not this one. Most of her customers are japanese actually, with some koreans.
Not this one. Most of her customers are japanese actually, with some koreans.I was wondering if that is something they made up.
Catire, excellent realistic report. I agree that the part timers can often have a better attitude if you appeal to them. In old days it was most part timers needing some pocket money, and I enjoyed that more.They are still part timers. (well some more than others).
And they still need the money (now, perhaps more than just "pocket".
So the the central aspects haven't really changed. Though the overall dynamics have changed.
There are a lot more punters. A lot more younger punters and prices have risen (for everything).
So one has to work and or get lucky, far more so than in the "old days" - and frankly, that's been the way of the world in the mongering world for several decades.
From the bests of bests (e. G. Russia and Cuba in 1990's. And Brazil and Thailand) to the declining state today everywhere.
I just hope I don't die before it all disappears or becomes unaffordable altogether. We have to adapt. Or we die.
Great report. Sorry to be ignorant but can you elaborate on on the spot testing? What can you do in short order to make her comfy? Thanks.I will refer you to BKKdog's "guidelines" on this matter. (raw) I completely agree with them.
I have found that asking ahead of time for possible BBFS from Tinder girls (pros on Tinder) CL girls etc will automatically get you the "no anal / wear condom" disclaimer.
And hey. I completely understand. If I were a girl in similar position I don't know what if anything would get me to relax off the condom stance. After all it's her life we are talking about here, potentially.
So I never pressure. I always say I understand. Because I do. However, as my experience shows and as Bkkdog points out, a bareback experience can materialize anyways.
On the other hand, I can tell you that the last 5 times I inquired about BBFS in a go-go, I got 3 quick yes nods. (one from coyote girl) (fyi, I did party a little with these girls, bought them drinks etc) another which I never inquired with, she was new. I got her so hot and bothered. She muttered condom just as I entered and completely forgot about it afterwards. The fifth shot me down.
p.s. I was just talking with a Thai girl I know who;'s now in Phuket. She "admitted" to me (not that I cared) that she was with a man last month. She also admitted to me that it felt "good" (although this was with rubber).. Bottom line? people are horny. Even freelancers, even hookers. Just treat them with respect.
Member #4698
12-23-18, 19:42
I never ask up front about bareback. I strongly feel that any type of negotiation or mention of it detracts from the spontaneity of the act and the vibe I am trying to establish with the girl. I know I am going to get laid. I never know how good it will be covered or uncovered until we start it up. So A) I just assume a BBBJ is the default. And I deduct points (tip) if a girl does not perform it. B) As to BBFS; I am content to wait and see and to let it come as a surprise. No pun intended. And sometimes I am the one who wants protection. 555. So, I usually hold off on the decision until I see, touch, taste, and smell the girl and her privates close up nude in bed. And when I am up for it, I leave it up to the girl even though I feel there is no comparison between bareback sex and covered sex. The former being so much better. I just really like it when the girl let's it happen and nothing was said about it beforehand or afterwards. And unlike Eihtooms, whom I respect as a fellow punter, covered sex is not a deal breaker for me. I would estimate I bareback 25% to 30% of my new girls (Thai, Indonesian, Filipina, Vietnamese, Khmer, Chinese combined) and the percentage rises as time goes by if we continue to see each other.
I did party a little with these girls, bought them drinks etc) another which I never inquired with, she was new. I got her so hot and bothered. She muttered condom just as I entered and completely forgot about it afterwards. Yeah, this is my approach more or less. And DATY works even better than Tequila. 555!
I must add, however, that sometimes a girl will initially ask about a condom before we even get going. I show her a Sagami 0.02 lying on the nightstand next to the bed and then we start it up. I can't tell you guys how many times the girls will forget all about the condom after cunnilingus. But not always and if a girl wants covered sex, I give it to her covered - no complaints.
What I did to make her more comfortable was we both took an Oraquik test. (and she noticed my wristband, I'm picking up my hospital results today from Bumgugrad, to save on test kits for myself).
I suggest you try the Red Cross in Ratcha Damri (I think) near corner with Sarasin. NW corner of Suan Lum park, (across the road). You get HIV result after 1 hour and should be a lot cheaper. They do a follow up test (more accurate amplification test which takes days), however they won't contact you unless that comes up positive (extremely unlikely after initial quick blood test).
I get several different types of blood tests, to check non STD things too.
Bamrungrad is expensive (I assume) like most hospitals catering to tourists.
Hey guys. Just a reminder to not fall for these scams in Thai Friendly. Never transfer money in part or all before you meet the girl no matter how hot she is. The attached photos, profile and offer she sent me are attached for you.Fan Fin Fin website even warns readers in a banner not to send / transfer any money to girls (or whoever might be scamming), under any circumstances.
Member #4591
12-24-18, 10:43
I never ask up front about bareback. I strongly feel that any type of negotiation or mention of it detracts from the spontaneity of the act and the vibe I am trying to establish with the girl. I know I am going to get laid. I never know how good it will be covered or uncovered until we start it up. So A) I just assume a BBBJ is the default. And I deduct points (tip) if a girl does not perform it. B) As to BBFS; I am content to wait and see and to let it come as a surprise. No pun intended. And sometimes I am the one who wants protection. 555. So, I usually hold off on the decision until I see, touch, taste, and smell the girl and her privates close up nude in bed. And when I am up for it, I leave it up to the girl even though I feel there is no comparison between bareback sex and covered sex. The former being so much better. I just really like it when the girl let's it happen and nothing was said about it beforehand or afterwards. And unlike Eihtooms, whom I respect as a fellow punter, covered sex is not a deal breaker for me. I would estimate I bareback 25% to 30% of my new girls (Thai, Indonesian, Filipina, Vietnamese, Khmer, Chinese combined) and the percentage rises as time goes by if we continue to see each other.
Yeah, this is my approach more or less. And DATY works even better than Tequila. 555!
I must add, however, that sometimes a girl will initially ask about a condom before we even get going. I show her a Sagami 0.02 lying on the nightstand next to the bed and then we start it up. I can't tell you guys how many times the girls will forget all about the condom after cunnilingus. But not always and if a girl wants covered sex, I give it to her covered - no complaints.You and I operate the same way. If you talk too many details with the girls, it ruins the mood. I have actually had a girl tell me in the bar that there was no way in hell she will fuck a customer without a condom. I never even brought up the topic. We would then have a great time partying and drinking together, I would decide to bar fine her and in the room, no mention of condom or even how much money she wanted for ST or LT. We just went with the flow. I understand this may not work for everyone, guys like Tooms May not chance it either but for me, I always get the best results when I do it like this.
Member #4591
12-24-18, 10:51
Maybe heading here tonight to teach some of the Thais girls in the Thai scene about Christmas. I've PMed a few members or sent line to come. You know who you are.
I never ask up front about bareback. I strongly feel that any type of negotiation or mention of it detracts from the spontaneity of the act and the vibe I am trying to establish with the girl. I know I am going to get laid. I never know how good it will be covered or uncovered until we start it up.
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And unlike Eihtooms, whom I respect as a fellow punter, covered sex is not a deal breaker for me. I would estimate I bareback 25% to 30% of my new girls (Thai, Indonesian, Filipina, Vietnamese, Khmer, Chinese combined) and the percentage rises as time goes by if we continue to see each other.
You and I operate the same way. If you talk too many details with the girls, it ruins the mood. I have actually had a girl tell me in the bar that there was no way in hell she will fuck a customer without a condom. I never even brought up the topic. We would then have a great time partying and drinking together, I would decide to bar fine her and in the room, no mention of condom or even how much money she wanted for ST or LT. We just went with the flow. I understand this may not work for everyone, guys like Tooms May not chance it either but for me, I always get the best results when I do it like this.Yes, I envy guys for whom "Fucking without a condom is great, but fucking with one is still pretty good". It would be so much easier to go with the flow under those conditions. Many times I will not ask if bareback is ok with the girl in advance or talk about condoms at all; if I am so smitten by the girl that winding up with only me DATY or her attempting a likely woefully inadequate BBBJ to something far, far less than a CIM finish is an ok risk to take with the possibility of more in a second meeting, if any. And it might be that the girl is a non pro I've met on a dating site so there is no money at stake anyway or if the girl is only costing me 1,000-2,000 baht all in and it feels worth the risk in that way too. That is not so much money, roll the dice and see what happens if the girl is at least doable in the first place.
Unfortunately, I am one of those "Fucking without a condom is great, but fucking with a condom won't happen" guys. Consequently, if we're talking about an investment of real time and money, say a night of bar hopping and lady drink buying with the intention of paying a barfine and a going rate fee to a decent go-go dancer, and if my success rate in ultimately engaging in penile-vaginal intercourse that night by merely "going with the flow" and not clearing it up in advance was anything like 25%-30% (or let's even increase that to a more impressive 50%), then over the long haul that would be a colossal waste of my time and money over and over again, night after night. LOL. Can't do that.
Besides, there is still plenty of mood development and sexual spontaneity to be enjoyed AFTER the question of bareback or not has been settled early in the meeting. Will she or won't she be any good at BBBJ, will I or won't I be able to make her cum and how many times with DATY, will our time together be so fun and good I will definitely want to see her again and so on. Oh, many important things that are not even remotely settled by asking in advance if she will go bareback with me or not.
Moreover, I can't think of many more truly godawful lingering mood killers than when the girl's eyes enlarge and she spontaneously screams, "CONDOM! CONDOM! CONDOM!" and tries to wiggle away and run across the room as I am about to enter her vagina on the false assumption that since we had a great evening of laughs and chemistry, cuddling and kissing, romance and spoken and unspoken dreams of seeing each other every week for the next year and have not discussed condoms yet, that she is in any way ok with me fucking her without a condom right here and right now. LOL. Yep, that has happened often enough to me that I am just fine with getting that issue out of the way ASAP.
And one more thing; it also helps if it really doesn't matter to you, will in no way ruin your hour much less your evening, if she says "no" to the question early in the game. At worst, that only means you can and will get another girl later that night if you want. But if she says "yes", then she has just enhanced my mood immeasurably from that moment forward.
................... I have actually had a girl tell me in the bar that there was no way in hell she will fuck a customer without a condom. I never even brought up the topic. We would then have a great time partying and drinking together, I would decide to bar fine her and in the room, no mention of condom ...................For me condom use is a no brainer. Too many incurable STDs going around. For guys who already have an untreatable STD I suppose they think its ok to have bareback sex.
Steve 9696
12-24-18, 16:57
For me condom use is a no brainer. Too many incurable STDs going around. For guys who already have an untreatable STD I suppose they think its ok to have bareback sex.I am not really looking for bareback FS. But condoms are truly terrible for me — that is why BBBJ is the main event for me. That said, I would love to improve the FS part.
Is there a thin Japanese condom that has some girth? I've tried the US ones like Skyn large, but didn't see much improvement. And whenever I've browsed Japanese like Sagami they are less than 2" at the base (ouch). Can anyone recommend a thin one in a large size (length doesn't matter). And of course able to order in discrete packaging.
Thanks!
Member #4591
12-24-18, 21:43
Yes, I envy guys for whom "Fucking without a condom is great, but fucking with one is still pretty good". It would be so much easier to go with the flow under those conditions. Many times I will not ask if bareback is ok with the girl in advance or talk about condoms at all; if I am so smitten by the girl that winding up with only me DATY or her attempting a likely woefully inadequate BBBJ to something far, far less than a CIM finish is an ok risk to take with the possibility of more in a second meeting, if any. And it might be that the girl is a non pro I've met on a dating site so there is no money at stake anyway or if the girl is only costing me 1,000-2,000 baht all in and it feels worth the risk in that way too. That is not so much money, roll the dice and see what happens if the girl is at least doable in the first place.
Unfortunately, I am one of those "Fucking without a condom is great, but fucking with a condom won't happen" guys. Consequently, if we're talking about an investment of real time and money, say a night of bar hopping and lady drink buying with the intention of paying a barfine and a going rate fee to a decent go-go dancer, and if my success rate in ultimately engaging in penile-vaginal intercourse that night by merely "going with the flow" and not clearing it up in advance was anything like 25%-30% (or let's even increase that to a more impressive 50%), then over the long haul that would be a colossal waste of my time and money over and over again, night after night. LOL. Can't do that.
Besides, there is still plenty of mood development and sexual spontaneity to be enjoyed AFTER the question of bareback or not has been settled early in the meeting. Will she or won't she be any good at BBBJ, will I or won't I be able to make her cum and how many times with DATY, will our time together be so fun and good I will definitely want to see her again and so on. Oh, many important things that are not even remotely settled by asking in advance if she will go bareback with me or not.
Moreover, I can't think of many more truly godawful lingering mood killers than when the girl's eyes enlarge and she spontaneously screams, "CONDOM! CONDOM! CONDOM!" and tries to wiggle away and run across the room as I am about to enter her vagina on the false assumption that since we had a great evening of laughs and chemistry, cuddling and kissing, romance and spoken and unspoken dreams of seeing each other every week for the next year and have not discussed condoms yet, that she is in any way ok with me fucking her without a condom right here and right now. LOL. Yep, that has happened often enough to me that I am just fine with getting that issue out of the way ASAP.
And one more thing; it also helps if it really doesn't matter to you, will in no way ruin your hour much less your evening, if she says "no" to the question early in the game. At worst, that only means you can and will get another girl later that night if you want. But if she says "yes", then she has just enhanced my mood immeasurably from that moment forward.The only thing I will say is after you left I took mine home and there was no mention of any condom when we were together and money. I took her home, we had a great session and I gave her 2,500 and she was on her way.
Robert Long
12-24-18, 21:45
Can anyone explain this site? I change to English but it is still very confusing to understand what they are saying. Do these ladies come to your hotel, or must you arrive at their area? Or go to their room? It you have tried please help.
Thank You.
RL.
The only thing I will say is after you left I took mine home and there was no mention of any condom when we were together and money. I took her home, we had a great session and I gave her 2,500 and she was on her way.But mine was a perfect example of Mr. Toom's warning!
And she wouldn't take the Oraquik, which made me really leery. I sent her on her way.
Thanks for being such a great host. Bkkdog and showing me a place I have never seen / experienced before.
However, I think without being able to communicate, I don't think I can go back there again (though I may try, for the hell of it. Will bring google translator with me LOL).
I am not really looking for bareback FS. But condoms are truly terrible for me that is why BBBJ is the main event for me. That said, I would love to improve the FS part.
Is there a thin Japanese condom that has some girth? I've tried the US ones like Skyn large, but didn't see much improvement. And whenever I've browsed Japanese like Sagami they are less than 2" at the base (ouch). Can anyone recommend a thin one in a large size (length doesn't matter). And of course able to order in discrete packaging.
Thanks!I use Trojan Bareskins with no problem but am cautious with them since they are quite fragile at the base. For me tightness at the base is not a problem; it keeps the condom secure and stable and prevents it from sliding up. I am not small and find the Trojan BSs not tight at the base.
I use Trojan Bareskins with no problem but am cautious with them since they are quite fragile at the base. For me tightness at the base is not a problem; it keeps the condom secure and stable and prevents it from sliding up. I am not small and find the Trojan BSs not tight at the base.At (point) 046 mm's they are three times the thickness of the condoms I prefer (when a girl requests a condom). The problem is all the false advertising trying to make you think the condoms that you are buying are in fact 'the world's thinnest'. Take the trojan supra bareskin's claimed thickness here: https://www.undercovercondoms.com/Condoms/Trojan/398/Trojan-SUPRA-Lubricated-Condoms.html States that they are. 0016 mm's thick. That is just way too good to be true. Then this website claims they are. 0015 inch's thick https://www.omgcondoms.com/products/buy-trojan-supra-bareskin-polyurethane-non-latex-condoms. Looks like the first website quoted MM's when they should have stated inches. Now point 040 seems to be about right. I tried this condom and compared to my favorite they are way too thick. Condoms I use are (point) 015 thick and one time I wanted to do a gogo girl bareback while she was sleeping and knew she's feel for the condom so tried to rip a hole in the top of one to no avail, had to use some nail clippers to do it. Shows just how strong they are. Unfortunately they aren't sold in stores, can only be found on ebay and they aren't cheap. I've told many people about them including FL Hawk. But without a rubber band at the base almost any girl who isn't Asian won't let you use them.
The only thing I will say is after you left I took mine home and there was no mention of any condom when we were together and money. I took her home, we had a great session and I gave her 2,500 and she was on her way.Ah, that's wonderful! But shouldn't it also be mentioned at least in passing that you've known that girl for about a year and have been with her many times already? I'll pop in there again soon, take that same girl for the first time and see if she gives me bareback, no mention of condoms and no mention of money, too. Hehe.
Seriously though, thanks for inviting me to join you and being such a gracious host. I hadn't been in those Saphan Khwai bars for about 4 years and in those days I knew virtually zero Thai language. I am still just barely basic conversationally fluent in it. But there were girls there who could speak English fine. Well, one for sure. One of my two lap dancers was a bit annoyed that I spoke Thai with her since she wanted to practice speaking English I suppose.
The vibe felt very much by the numbers in there. With regard to me, that is. As I mentioned to you later, if the two lap dancers who did their basic duty for 100 baht each had been holding their phones in one hand to check, read and reply to text messages during their 1-2 minute grind, I would not have noticed a difference.
That said, I think there might be some possibilities in there for my needs, if not probabilities. The girl who sat next to me the longest was cute but exhibited many of the warning signs I always wish I had heeded afterwards. So I did not bother to discuss anything about me potentially taking her or anything of a sexual nature. I did take her Line info when she offered it. She volunteered the information about the All Inclusive Pay Upfront (asking if not getting) rate being 2,500 baht including a ST hotel room, if I understood her correctly.
I left the bar without taking a girl about 11PM and had a midnight meeting and all nighter at my apartment with a very sweet dating site girl I'd been with once before. Money offered this morning but only taxi fare accepted.
MentalMijit
12-25-18, 05:36
Has anyone tried Yaya on Smooci? I looked through the forum and I see references to what I believe is another Yaya from years ago. This Yaya is 40 years old, Thai, huge tits and offers Greek.
At (point) 046 mm's they are three times the thickness of the condoms I prefer (when a girl requests a condom). The problem is all the false advertising trying to make you think the condoms that you are buying are in fact 'the world's thinnest'. Take the trojan supra bareskin's claimed thickness here: https://www.undercovercondoms.com/Condoms/Trojan/398/Trojan-SUPRA-Lubricated-Condoms.html States that they are. 0016 mm's thick. That is just way too good to be true. Then this website claims they are. 0015 inch's thick https://www.omgcondoms.com/products/buy-trojan-supra-bareskin-polyurethane-non-latex-condoms. Looks like the first website quoted MM's when they should have stated inches. Now point 040 seems to be about right. I tried this condom and compared to my favorite they are way too thick. Condoms I use are (point) 015 thick and one time I wanted to do a gogo girl bareback while she was sleeping and knew she's feel for the condom so tried to rip a hole in the top of one to no avail, had to use some nail clippers to do it. Shows just how strong they are. Unfortunately they aren't sold in stores, can only be found on ebay and they aren't cheap. I've told many people about them including FL Hawk. But without a rubber band at the base almost any girl who isn't Asian won't let you use them.What brand of condom do you use?
Has anyone tried Yaya on Smooci? I looked through the forum and I see references to what I believe is another Yaya from years ago. This Yaya is 40 years old, Thai, huge tits and offers Greek.Be warn, some girls don't even know what certain sexual terms refer to, they just select some options. Best bet is to contact the agency directly and ask, just don't ask about the WG images, agency will lie. Another option is to get a 3 day Smooci membership, I tend not to get a membership, because I don't care enough what the membership provides.
What brand of condom do you use?What are the best (thinnest) or polyurethane rubbers you can get in BKK pharmacies?
What brand of condom do you use?You'll laugh when you see the video (the first video) in the link below (that gives the name of the condom. Ignore the commentary and focus on the condom and Breadman telling you these are for guys who are looking for a large enough Jap style condom that easily fits onto pretty much any larger size dick. They are super easy to put on but do need to be pulled back down from time to time during sex. For those who dabble in bareback this won't bother them, for those looking for complete protection quit reading now. These are fantastic if you have any issues of getting soft (few too many drinks) trying to put on a super thin Jap condom. I did manage to use one on an escort in Montreal once and a few in the FKK clubs of Germany but they asked to change condoms when they started to ride up into the girls pussy. Thai girls on the other hand are fine with the explanation of 'Japanese condom' as you put it on in one quick motion. Once its on and inserted into the girl the condom 'shrink wraps' itself like heat sealing to your dick to hold itself onto your shaft. The problem with it moving seems to be from the girl giving you a BJ and getting your dick moist with her spit. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pasante+unique+condoms.
Again, watch the videos and look at how thin these condoms are. I've never been able to find the ones that seem to have a tight base, I've only found the red package that has a flared base.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT-10_resin
You'll laugh when you see the video (the first video) in the link below (that gives the name of the condom. Ignore the commentary and focus on the condom a
Again, watch the videos and look at how thin these condoms are. I've never been able to find the ones that seem to have a tight base, I've only found the red package that has a flared base.
All very interesting information. I am going to do some more research and look to grab some samples. Thank you for your response.
What are the best (thinnest) or polyurethane rubbers you can get in BKK pharmacies?I usually just grab Durex from the local pharmacy which are not great. I never find a huge range at any pharmacy that fit.
So I have done a bit of research and purchased half a dozen brands online, most are from Japan, for my next trip in a couple of weeks. On my first night I intend to see a regular and test all of them on her a few minutes at a time. She is a great sport and will think it is pretty funny.
That is just way too good to be true. Then this website claims they are. 0015 inch's thick m.Ha ha. Silly stuff. Do we have the scientific equipment to measure? I have no clue what is the true thickness, how much it varies, etc.
Why go by thickness claims. Open some. Compare. Try it. I have tried Sagami Polyurethane and did not enjoy them at all. Wrinkly not smooth. I prefer the stretchiness of Latex and smooth surface. I used to use Durex Comfort (54 to 56) because easy to get on, bulb shaped head, and comfortable.
Now I use Okamoto 003 available at 7 Eleven stores (when I need to), due to thin feel. Less diameter (made for Japanese market) means difficult to get on without putting fingers inside the condom to stretch them, so although much tighter fit than the durex, and not really covering the full length, I still prefer them. Probably can't go back to thicker (seemingly) Durex any more. If girl insists to use her condoms, I cancel. Might have almost no pussy feel. Mind you I don't try new girls that often any more. Still probably cancelled only once this year (with Farang girl), mostly girl eventually agreed to my condoms once she checked them out. I am a trustworthy type.
Just try different ones to see what suits you. Guys who tend to cum too quick will need thick condoms to deaden the feel. Maybe even two condoms. Guys difficult to cum like me need thin condoms or natural.
I prefer lubes from OS not available in Thailand, usually from Europe. Both Durex and KY seem too sticky and don't last that long. Has anyone found a good lube in Thailand, than seems to last and not get too sticky? For me a girl's natural lube only lasts a limited time, and latex is abrasive if not properly lubed. I am never quick enough to rely on natural lube alone, even with GF.
Combination of Okamoto and a very good lube, occasionally was so snug, I was almost thinking the condom came off, feeling too good, however in reality, having no condom is always better. If a girl can use her pussy muscles along the full length of the dick, the feel can be so exquisite.
I am afraid the feel of an asshole sphincter can't match a good pussy, for me, or I have not experienced a highly memorable asshole. The ass feel is too concentrated on one spot, IMHO. Maybe what I need is a subtle feel, where others want a high power squeeze.
We all know pussies vary tremendously, so important to find the pussies that suit to the feel you want. I have pussy variation in my regulars. Some are a little too tight/small, and some a little too loose, but near enough. It is fortunate that pussies stretch to accommodate. Condoms too (if latex).
Jimmy Boy 99
12-26-18, 05:58
Snip. Just try different ones to see what suits you. Guys who tend to cum too quick will need thick condoms to deaden the feel. Maybe even two condoms. Guys difficult to cum like me need thin condoms or natural.AnipTwo condoms is probably not a good idea.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/double-bagging-condoms-using-two-condoms-906780
Ha ha. Silly stuff. Do we have the scientific equipment to measure? I have no clue what is the true thickness, how much it varies, etc.
Why go by thickness claims. Open some. Compare. Try it. I have tried Sagami Polyurethane and did not enjoy them at all. Wrinkly not smooth. I prefer the stretchiness of Latex and smooth surface. I used to use Durex Comfort (54 to 56) because easy to get on, bulb shaped head, and comfortable.
.Exactly. We are all spending thousands here on women so what's an extra $10. If the Japanese condoms fit you there's no need to bother with these. On the other hand if you've found there's no way those condoms would ever go on then these are the ones to try. Again, these are not perfect by a long shot but they are worth a try. I've used them on many many Thai girls without one questioning them, they'll pick up the odd credit card sized package and say "condom?" to which I reply "Japanese" followed by "go doggy" and to a T they've all just turned around and bent over.
Maybe heading here tonight to teach some of the Thais girls in the Thai scene about Christmas. I've PMed a few members or sent line to come. You know who you are.Can you please suggest some bars? I have been to T-Ded 99 and had a good experience.
Member #4591
12-26-18, 14:45
Can you please suggest some bars? I have been to T-Ded 99 and had a good experience.The only other one worth going to now is the one next to there but on the side street.
Member #4591
12-26-18, 14:57
Exactly. We are all spending thousands here on women so what's an extra $10. If the Japanese condoms fit you there's no need to bother with these. On the other hand if you've found there's no way those condoms would ever go on then these are the ones to try. Again, these are not perfect by a long shot but they are worth a try. I've used them on many many Thai girls without one questioning them, they'll pick up the odd credit card sized package and say "condom?" to which I reply "Japanese" followed by "go doggy" and to a T they've all just turned around and bent over.
What are the best (thinnest) or polyurethane rubbers you can get in BKK pharmacies?If I'm ever stuck using a condom, I always go for this 40 Baht brand. Closest thing to BB I have experienced while using a condom.
Etaoin2003
12-26-18, 16:17
If I'm ever stuck using a condom, I always go for this 40 Baht brand. Closest thing to BB I have experienced while using a condom.I never thought I was hung like a horse until I tried to get one of those Okos onto my cock.
Today I was surfing TF for a house call and found this real cutie. 23 years old. . I managed to snap a a few photos while taking a break from doggy and before she left and will also include some stock photos from her TF and Line. .I am in no way knocking down her looks, she is a cutie. But it is amazing to see the "professional photo's" vs your cell phone photo's. It is amazing what the photo apps on cell phones can do in these girls hands. These girls have lots of free time on their hands, I've been with a girl who spent an hour on her phone transforming the photo into a modeling headshot. I've also been in a stripclub watching the fattest ugliest dancer with the heaviest caked on makeup ever, one where when she got onstage I wondered when it would collapse take, make a video on her phone that I saw later that night when she showed it to the girl next to me and I have to say: I would have fucked the girl in that video if she really existed.
But it is amazing to see the "professional photo's" vs your cell phone photo's. It is amazing what the photo apps on cell phones can do in these girls hands. These girls have lots of free time on their hands.It's not only apps, she probably took an hour to put her make up in all the other pics also.
Some of them wouldn't put a foot outside of their room if they didn't spend an hour putting all their cream and powder on their face and body.
By the way it's a nice couple of pics of her ass.
So my message to my fellow mongers is to stick with what works for you and don't talk too much with these girls about details if that makes sense. This meathod just works for me 80% +
One of the best BBFS CIP sessions I have had in Thailand.Oh, no doubt about it I miss out on the girls who change their mind at crunch time on those occasions when I must get a clear "Yes" to bareback beforehand or no deal. But for those of us for whom "Bareback is great, but sex with a condom will not happen", if that girl had stuck to her guns and still refused to go bareback, it would have been a total waste of the time I spent to get her in my room, the money I would feel it is fair to pay her for coming over and the blah mood and less than pleasant feeling I would have had in my gut though all of it wondering why I booked a girl who had specifically told me we were not going to have sex at all (which is where a comitment from her to provide a BBBJ+CIM, if agreed upon, comes in handy).
Your way, exactly as you described it in your detailed previous report, is perfect for guys for whom, "Bareback is great, but sex with a condom is still pretty good." If I were such a guy, which I have never been in my life, I can't see any reason to discuss anything beforehand other than possibly price with the best looking P4P girls on the planet. Hell, I would NEVER talk about condom or no condom beforehand. What on Earth for? (actually, see below at least one very good possible reason to do that. Lol) It would be "Go With The Flow And See What Happens" all the time and every time.
But since I am among the former group and not the latter group, it is just not worth the risk and anxiety to remain somewhat in combat and defense mode from the point of booking until the point of entering bareback or accepting that 20%+ of the time I will endure the most godawful buzz kill to bring everything to a screetching halt. LOL. That is simply not worth it to me when it really isn't all that difficult and far more comfortable to do it my way and get it settled ahead of time with another girl.
Btw, Bkkdog, how do you know the reason this particular girl decided to go bareback with you at crunch time wasn't precisely BECAUSE you had expressed your desire for it from the beginning and not despite it? Seems to me if you want more of these "best BBFS+CIP sessions in Thailand" with girls like that you should not change one step in how you got there, key among them perhaps being my way of asking for it beforehand, no? After all, that is the only new step you added to your normal procedure to get to the one of your "best" ever bareback sessions.
If I'm ever stuck using a condom, I always go for this 40 Baht brand. Closest thing to BB I have experienced while using a condom.Tried it tonight. My shaft felt like it was encased in rubber (which I think isn't the idea).
Maybe a lubricated one would have been better. And the girl put in on (maybe not quite right).
Anyways- I call it massive fail. As was my entire night.
Got lured into buying a bunch of drinks by an Isaan vixen in the go go right next to Rainbow. (stepped in accidentally) and was only guy in there (which is perfect).
She had an amazing body. Young. I was quite taken. Even tried giving her the BFE. DATY the works.
Several minutes into the fucking (as I'm encased in rubber) she asks me if I finish.
Ok honey. We're done thank you. You can leave now.
If I'm ever stuck using a condom, I always go for this 40 Baht brand. Closest thing to BB I have experienced while using a condom.Tried it tonight. My shaft felt like it was encased in rubber (which I think isn't the idea).
Maybe a lubricated one would have been better. And the girl put in on (maybe not quite right).
Anyways- I call it massive fail. As was my entire night.
Got lured into buying a bunch of drinks by an Isaan vixen in the go go right next to Rainbow. (stepped in accidentally) and was only guy in there (which is perfect).
She had an amazing body. Young. I was quite taken. Even tried giving her the BFE. DATY the works.
Several minutes into the fucking (as I'm encased in rubber) she asks me if I finish.
Ok honey. We're done thank you. You can leave now.
Bummer. My batting average with Nana bargirls was decent up till now (but usually always from Mandarin).
I am in no way knocking down her looks, she is a cutie. But it is amazing to see the "professional photo's" vs your cell phone photo's. It is amazing what the photo apps on cell phones can do in these girls hands. These girls have lots of free time on their hands, I've been with a girl who spent an hour on her phone transforming the photo into a modeling headshot. I've also been in a stripclub watching the fattest ugliest dancer with the heaviest caked on makeup ever, one where when she got onstage I wondered when it would collapse take, make a video on her phone that I saw later that night when she showed it to the girl next to me and I have to say: I would have fucked the girl in that video if she really existed.I actually PREFER the real life / phone photos!
Tried it tonight. My shaft felt like it was encased in rubber (which I think isn't the idea).
Maybe a lubricated one would have been better. And the girl put in on (maybe not quite right).
Anyways- I call it massive fail. As was my entire night.
-snip-I have tried those condoms too, as well as some brand and style (can't remember it now) that was touted by many on these threads as being the thinnest and most sensitive of all time. They are not for sale in Thailand so I ordered them online. It might come as a surprise to some that, at the ripe old age of 65, I still occasionally test the latest, greatest development in modern condom technology just to see if any one of them really does live up to its miraculous claims. None have in the 46 years I have been fucking women. LOL. It is more or less like trying to pick up a dime on a marble floor wearing oversize and extra thick work gloves. I have not picked up a dime yet.
Anyway, since I have had a vasectomy and always have a recent normal/negative blood check document in my possession, IF I were one of those lucky "Bare back is great, but fucking with a condom is still pretty good" guys, I suppose I would now add to my booking/dating procedure the step Bkkdog recently added to his procedure that, imo, was key to his enjoying one of the best bareback sessions he has ever had in Thailand. Namely (and the portions in parenthesis is from me to clear up what I snipped and what the spell-check here kind of screwed up):
Today I was surfing TF for a house call and found this real cutie. 23 years old. I wanted to test a theory that Tooms always practices to see if it worked for me. On TF, I offered my price to this little cute and expressly mentioned I wanted the experience to be the same as we were BF and GF but she insisted on a condom. I politely declined. After searching for another few hours, I decided to take a chance. I contacted her back and lowered my offer and agreed to the condom thinking she would decline. Surprisingly, she accepted and 30 minutes later she was in my room.
-snip-
After another 20 minutes of this (DATY) and 2 exploding orgasms by her, she begged me to fuck her. I started to reach for the condoms she made me buy but she pulled me back towards her and just guided me right in be. Be (bareback).
I realize Bkkdog seems to have come to a different conclusion. But I can't help but think his making it known to the girl at the start of their chat that he was interested in going bareback, that he was so into that kind of service that he was willing to walk away for hours and would only reconsider if he paid her less than he originally offered was a key factor in her deciding at crunch time to wave off covered sex and launch into one of the "best" bareback sessions he has ever had in Thailand. I mean, she knew from the beginning that going bareback was important to him, that he was comfortable about engaging in it with her and that there was presumably more money on the table IF she delivered it at crunch time. IMO, that is a very good mindset for her and any other P4P girl to be in for guys who want bareback. So after she met him and felt comfortable with him, enjoying his DATY, deciding to go bareback was a much easier decision for her to make precisely because he had made it known how important it was to him from the very beginning and that there was likely more money in it for her if she did.
Again, the procedure of asking for bareback early, well before booking her, walking away when it was refused and then coming back with a lower baht offer for my agreeing to wear a condom would be a fine addition to my procedure IF I was the kind of guy who would still be able to go ahead with some semblance of penile-vaginal intercourse if she had stood her ground and insisted on a condom right up to and all during the session. But since I am not that kind of guy as of this writing with any miracle modern technology condom I have ever tried, I think I'll need to stick with my usual procedure of hitting the girls up for it beforehand, thanking the girls who say "no" for their time and moving on to the next one who will say "yes" to me.
Steve 9696
12-27-18, 03:00
Tried it tonight. My shaft felt like it was encased in rubber (which I think isn't the idea).
Maybe a lubricated one would have been better. And the girl put in on (maybe not quite right).
Anyways- I call it massive fail. As was my entire night.
Got lured into buying a bunch of drinks by an Isaan vixen in the go go right next to Rainbow. (stepped in accidentally) and was only guy in there (which is perfect).
She had an amazing body. Young. I was quite taken. Even tried giving her the BFE. DATY the works.
Several minutes into the fucking (as I'm encased in rubber) she asks me if I finish.
Ok honey. We're done thank you. You can leave now.
Bummer. My batting average with Nana bargirls was decent up till now (but usually always from Mandarin).When I saw the 03 posted I was surprised. 03 is pretty much a standard thickness condom (maybe a bit thinner). I guess I will order some 01 and 02 okamoto large and just give it a go and see. Thanks for the info.
Member #4698
12-27-18, 03:31
Since I am one of those "lucky "bareback is great, but fucking with a condom is still pretty good" kind of guys, this is what I recommend: #1 the Sagami 0. 02 Large (polyurethane) & #2 the Lelo Hex (latex). And I never leave home without them.
Now I wish Sagami offered their 0.01 line in the Large size. that would be my preference, but since I only see their 0.02 line available in the Large size, that is what I buy. Note: I am quite average and yet the regular size Sagami is too tight for me.
Lelo, the fancy and elegant vibrator people, make a very unusual Latex condom. Due to its hexagonal contruction it's condom is very thin and yet very strong. This condom will not break while in use. But it still is a Latex condom which means that the pussy body heat transfer is not as good as it is with the polyurethane product. So if you must wear a raincoat because the girl insists, or a situation arises where you just want to be on the safe side; take your pick. These are both very good condoms - the Sagami 0.02 Large (black print) & the Lelo Hex.
Since I am one of those "lucky "bareback is great, but fucking with a condom is still pretty good" kind of guys, this is what I recommend and I never leave home without them: the Sagami 0. 02 Large (polyurethane) & the Lelo Hex (latex).
-snip-Curse you, Natty Bumpo! And you, too, Bkkdog!! And, while I'm at it, curse the rest of you lucky punters who are in that group! LOL.
Since I am one of those "lucky "bareback is great, but fucking with a condom is still pretty good" kind of guys, this is what I recommend: #1 the Sagami 0. 02 Large (polyurethane) & #2 the Lelo Hex (latex). And I never leave home without them.
Now I wish Sagami offered their 0.01 line in the Large size. that would be my preference, but since I only see their 0.02 line available in the Large size, that is what I buy. Note: I am quite average and yet the regular size Sagami is too tight for me.
Lelo, the fancy and elegant vibrator people, make a very unusual Latex condom. Due to its hexagonal contruction it's condom is very thin and yet very strong. This condom will not break while in use. But it still is a Latex condom which means that the pussy body heat transfer is not as good as it is with the polyurethane product. So if you must wear a raincoat because the girl insists, or a situation arises where you just want to be on the safe side; take your pick. These are both very good condoms - the Sagami 0.02 Large (black print) & the Lelo Hex.I already have about 6 well researched samples and have just added some Sagami 0. 02 Large size for my next trip in 2 weeks. Thanks for the advice NB.
While on a Japanese condom site I noticed that Okamoto, which is apparently Sagami's main competition in the premium condom market has a "001 0. 01 mm Zero One Large Size Condom". I grabbed some of them too. They aren't cheap though, only come in 3 packs and cost about US $12 (Yes US $4 per condom) compared to just less than US $2 for the Sagami's.
All up I have 8 samples (1 to 2 dozen of each) to try and am in for about $200 in condoms.
MainCourse
12-27-18, 05:54
Today I was surfing TF for a house call and found this real cutie. 23 years old. I wanted to test a theory that Tooms always practices to see if it worked for me. On TF, I offered my price to this little cute and expressly mentioned I wanted the experience to be the same as we were BF and GF but she insisted on a condom. I politely declined. After searching for another few hours, I decided to take a chance. I contacted her back and lowered my offer and agreed to the condom thinking she would decline. Surprisingly, she accepted and 30 minutes later she was in my room.She's gorgeous. Hope to find her or someone like her when I am in Thailand next may. Love milky tits.
Member #4591
12-27-18, 06:18
My post was met to be a report with small reference to condoms but now it's getting out of hand. Please kindly move this condom discussion to the safe sex thread and I will post my report later today after my next session. If we keep this up, the reports will just get buried. Now I'm beginning to understand why some members don't RTFF. Thanks everyone in advance for understanding.
Roaming Viking
12-27-18, 07:23
Hi all, I talk a walk past Grace Hotel the other night, out of curiosity more than anything else. What I saw was appalling. But only be expected I guess. So I quickly retreated to Soi 4 Nana side and saw some cuties at the Nana car park. Many asked 1500 upfront but quickly settle for 1000. I took one my first day here, Nam, and it was OK. 30 something but nice body. But last night I was feeling kind of shagged out after two punts at All Stars and SW so I settled for a quickie at Kasalong. Always a good experience an tonite was no different. I like the setup a lot, much nicer than the OTHER place around the corner.
Hope you are all enjoying.
As I said, my age si beginning to get to me and I just cannot keep doing it around the clock like in the old days.
I plan on going to Crazy House tonite just to watch, There are always a few hotties.
Cheers.
Today I was surfing TF for a house call and found this real cutie. 23 years old. I wanted to test a theory that Tooms always practices to see if it worked for me. On TF, I offered my price to this little cute and expressly mentioned I wanted the experience to be the same as we were BF and GF but she insisted on a condom. I politely declined. After searching for another few hours, I decided to take a chance. I contacted her back and lowered my offer and agreed to the condom thinking she would decline. Surprisingly, she accepted and 30 minutes later she was in my room. Here's where it gets a little wacked. After a brief massage, she undressed to reveal some very firm tities and a C section scar. Firm belly, firm ass and no severe baby damage, just the scar. Then she said she had a baby 4 months old. Her tits were rock hard as she was still lactating. OMG. Do I cheer for joy or call it off. She asked me if I wanted a taste and I declined knowing fair well that some other punters would have dove right in and been in complete and utter heaven. Instead, I chose to dive into her sweet tasting pussy. She got so into it that when I stopped she begged me to continue. After another 20 minutes of this and 2 exploding orgasms by her, she begged me to fuck her. I started to reach for the condoms she made me buy but she pulled me back towards her and just guided me right in be. Be. The next hour was full of pure GFE action. Lots of DFK, moaning, squealing and teerak teerak and teerak and ceow ceow ceow. I managed to snap a a few photos while taking a break from doggy and before she left and will also include some stock photos from her TF and Line. Finally, I unloaded a huge load deep inside her pussy and collapsed. ? After the session, I paid her the original fee we discussed, taxi money, and an extra 200 for the morning after pill. She left after giving me a big hug and a long DFK. Incidentally, during the session her tits were leaking milk, a first for me as I don't have any children. A bit of a clean up now but well worth it.FYI the hardness you felt is silicon. Known her for years, before she became a hardened pro and learned to do the squealing act. Shacked up with her in Jomtien for a week when she was FOB from Surin; no money changed hands. She was happy with meals and a bikini or two. She was indeed adorable back then, before she had surgery on her nose, breasts, and tours of duty in Moscow and Bahrain. She's fallen on desperate times; sad but common story.
Banana Boi
12-27-18, 08:40
My post was met to be a report with small reference to condoms but now it's getting out of hand. Please kindly move this condom discussion to the safe sex thread and I will post my report later today after my next session. If we keep this up, the reports will just get buried. Now I'm beginning to understand why some members don't RTFF. Thanks everyone in advance for understanding.Absolutely agree. The thread topic is 'Reports'. Whenever anyone mentions the word 'condom' or 'viagra' an entire discussion of a topic we've repeatedly seen takes place with no added Reports on which bars are hot and which bars are not or where to find a new hot gem.
Since I am one of those "lucky "bareback is great, but fucking with a condom is still pretty good" kind of guys, this is what I recommend: #1 the Sagami 0. 02 Large (polyurethane) & #2 the Lelo Hex (latex). And I never leave home without them.
Now I wish Sagami offered their 0.01 line in the Large size. that would be my preference, but since I only see their 0.02 line available in the Large size, that is what I buy. Note: I am quite average and yet the regular size Sagami is too tight for me.
Lelo, the fancy and elegant vibrator people, make a very unusual Latex condom. Due to its hexagonal contruction it's condom is very thin and yet very strong. This condom will not break while in use. But it still is a Latex condom which means that the pussy body heat transfer is not as good as it is with the polyurethane product. So if you must wear a raincoat because the girl insists, or a situation arises where you just want to be on the safe side; take your pick. These are both very good condoms - the Sagami 0.02 Large (black print) & the Lelo Hex.This is the most interesting topic I have seen on here in a while. I'll have to check those out. I normally use the Trojan NaturalLamb condoms. Have you tried those? Is so, how do they compare?
I quickly retreated to Soi 4 Nana side and saw some cuties at the Nana car park. Many asked 1500 upfront but quickly settle for 1000. I took one my first day here, Nam, and it was OK. 30 something but nice body. This wouldn't happen to be the Nam you took would it? Personally, I have only met one girl in Bangkok named Nam in the last 20 years and it was this chick. I met her in that Nana area a while ago. She has a great body, but I don't think she's over 30 years old.
Since I am one of those "lucky "bareback is great, but fucking with a condom is still pretty good" kind of guys, this is what I recommend: #1 the Sagami 0. 02 Large (polyurethane) & #2 the Lelo Hex (latex). And I never leave home without them.
Now I wish Sagami offered their 0.01 line in the Large size. that would be my preference, but since I only see their 0.02 line available in the Large size, that is what I buy. Note: I am quite average and yet the regular size Sagami is too tight for me.
Lelo, the fancy and elegant vibrator people, make a very unusual Latex condom. Due to its hexagonal contruction it's condom is very thin and yet very strong. This condom will not break while in use. But it still is a Latex condom which means that the pussy body heat transfer is not as good as it is with the polyurethane product. So if you must wear a raincoat because the girl insists, or a situation arises where you just want to be on the safe side; take your pick. These are both very good condoms - the Sagami 0.02 Large (black print) & the Lelo Hex.I agree both Sagami L and Lelo Hex are great. Sagami is probably easier to get in Thailand though.
Have you tried Okamoto 001 XL? Personally, it's the best condom I've tried.
Hi all, I talk a walk past Grace Hotel the other night, out of curiosity more than anything else. What I saw was appalling. But only be expected I guess. So I quickly retreated to Soi 4 Nana side and saw some cuties at the Nana car park.
Cheers.I understand that beauty (or cuteness) is in the eye of the beholder.
All I will say is that I have walked by there several times in the last couple of days.
The quality on tap at Nana car lot is for the severely blueballed only.
This wouldn't happen to be the Nam you took would it? Personally, I have only met one girl in Bangkok named Nam in the last 20 years and it was this chick. I met her in that Nana area a while ago. She has a great body, but I don't think she's over 30 years old.For your info, Naam (or Nam) is a very common Thai girl's name. A little less common than Noi ( ha ha). I have fucked numerous Naams, probably at least 6 of them. One at Suzie Wong (I used to do Naam and Noi together), One at Crazy House, a GF, and a few others years ago.
Naam means water (in case anyone does not know).
I did not try a Naam from Nana Carpark, but did do a Nim once. N is most popular starting letter for a Thai girl nickname. Nim, Naam, Nun, Nok, Noi, Nit, Noot, Naen, Not, Note, Nut, Naet, Noei, Nuan, Nui, etc. and I have probably done girls with almost every one of these names.
Banana Boi
12-27-18, 12:29
Personally, I have only met one girl in Bangkok named Nam in the last 20 years Could be I just know too many girls in Thailand but I have met quite a few girls named Nam. Girl in your photo looks decent.
Guys are hitting on your girl while she is there with you?
She wasn't there with me as a date or as a potential customer. I just told my friend I'll be at Thermae tonight and because I haven't seen her in a while she said she'd come down to say hi and hang out with me a bit and try to work, which she obviously wasn't doing by rejecting all guys who approached her.
Today I was surfing TF for a house call and found this real cutie. 23 years old. I wanted to test a theory that Tooms always practices to see if it worked for me. On TF, I offered my price to this little cute and expressly mentioned I wanted the experience to be the same as we were BF and GF but she insisted on a condom. I politely declined. After searching for another few hours, I decided to take a chance. I contacted her back and lowered my offer and agreed to the condom thinking she would decline. Surprisingly, she accepted and 30 minutes later she was in my room. Here's where it gets a little wacked. After a brief massage, she undressed to reveal some very firm tities and a C section scar. Firm belly, firm ass and no severe baby damage, just the scar. Then she said she had a baby 4 months old. Her tits were rock hard as she was still lactating. OMG. Do I cheer for joy or call it off. She asked me if I wanted a taste and I declined knowing fair well that some other punters would have dove right in and been in complete and utter heaven. Instead, I chose to dive into her sweet tasting pussy. She got so into it that when I stopped she begged me to continue. After another 20 minutes of this and 2 exploding orgasms by her, she begged me to fuck her. I started to reach for the condoms she made me buy but she pulled me back towards her and just guided me right in be. Be. The next hour was full of pure GFE action. Lots of DFK, moaning, squealing and teerak teerak and teerak and ceow ceow ceow. I managed to snap a a few photos while taking a break from doggy and before she left and will also include some stock photos from her TF and Line. Finally, I unloaded a huge load deep inside her pussy and collapsed. ? After the session, I paid her the original fee we discussed, taxi money, and an extra 200 for the morning after pill. She left after giving me a big hug and a long DFK. Incidentally, during the session her tits were leaking milk, a first for me as I don't have any children. A bit of a clean up now but well worth it.Damn, photoshop did a number for her. From the pic you snapped in the jean shorts, I would have no interest, but the pics from TF are quite enticing as is the rear view. In addition, a gal with a 4 month old child having to hustle? Man, I just can't take that type anymore. Shows a lack of many things, forethought and planning come to mind, and as I get older when I hear stories like that I just have no interest in the gal, even if it is just a P4 P session. Just kills my desire altogether. I need a gal who has it just a little bit more together. That's why I miss those old Thermae and Nana Disco days when you had so many semi-pros; degreed office gals who were hustling to supplement their income. Now, seems like just the dregs and the lazy. Just not so interesting to me at least.
I understand that beauty (or cuteness) is in the eye of the beholder.
All I will say is that I have walked by there several times in the last couple of days.
The quality on tap at Nana car lot is for the severely blueballed only.Have to agree with you. It's pretty rough out there. Some gems at times, but you have to put in so much time to find them.
Have to agree with you. It's pretty rough out there. Some gems at times, but you have to put in so much time to find them.And maybe only 1 in 5 would not be a complete waste of money. Body can be a disaster area once clothes come off. However Pin (ex Boss Massage) is working a little further up Soi 4, and her body is pretty damn good despite the implants.
My session at Boss was pretty good, and ET reports her BJ very bad could not adjust to his demands. However I will do her again when I get around to it. I still remember a memorable 69.
Today I was surfing TF for a house call and found this real cutie. 23 years old. Wow very nice indeed. She even looks okay In a natural pic when scowling badly (pulling an ugly face). Ha ha. Good taste man! So I don't agree with Goat on this one.
I have tried titty milk a few times, and although nothing special have no complaints about it. Some girls that have given birth very recently can have extra slack pussies but it does not usually bother me. GF has teenage daughter but quite tight pussy, despite no C section. So no definite pattern for me about girls with babies, except possibly extra loose pussies for very recent babies if doctor did not stitch it up tight.
Plenty of Thai girls had unplanned babies. Birth control of one type or another can fail, especially if they don't insist on condoms. One girl I know has 3 monthly injection (but I don't know if it is reliable - I don't CIP). The difference from western women is that they don't get an abortion.
Smart girls would use condoms as well as some other method of birth control, to be more sure. Morning after pill is good idea after a condom break.
Damn, photoshop did a number for her. From the pic you snapped in the jean shorts, I would have no interest, but the pics from TF are quite enticing as is the rear view. In addition, a gal with a 4 month old child having to hustle? Man, I just can't take that type anymore. Shows a lack of many things, forethought and planning come to mind, and as I get older when I hear stories like that I just have no interest in the gal, even if it is just a P4 P session. Just kills my desire altogether. I need a gal who has it just a little bit more together. That's why I miss those old Thermae and Nana Disco days when you had so many semi-pros; degreed office gals who were hustling to supplement their income. Now, seems like just the dregs and the lazy. Just not so interesting to me at least.There are still at least some (according to my date that night. "many") women who do this at Thermae. See my report from several days ago.
She had her own car (and apparently, many others do also).
For your info, Naam (or Nam) is a very common Thai girl's name. A little less common than Noi ( ha ha). I have probably been with 100 girls named Noi.
JakeBrown6661
12-27-18, 14:47
Ventured into Beer Garden. Has gone down drastically in terms of quantity and quality. Where is the day time action at?
The quality on tap at Nana car lot is for the severely blueballed only.IMO the NPL area gets a bit of a bad rap. What day and time you check it out makes a considerable difference. Prime times would be Friday / Saturday night from sundown till about midnight. If you go Tuesday afternoon then yes expect a limited and poor selection. And of course if you cross the street to NP you will find much higher quality ladies. But that are different P4 P market segment for several reasons.
SL.
I am a regular poster and senior member. I hate to ask this but I am in a bind. I have very poor access to WiFi and internet in general for the next two days. I arrive in BKK in 2 days and I have one night! I usually don't ask for help wit kit searching but BKK is extensive and with bad internet I am not making much progress. Can anyone recommend one or two good incall FS places. Massage parlors or otherwise with FS. Prefer Nuru but good looking girl and FS is more important than Nuru.
You can tell from my past reports that I am not a leecher. I will report back for sure. Thank you.
Member #4591
12-27-18, 18:29
I am a regular poster and senior member. I hate to ask this but I am in a bind. I have very poor access to WiFi and internet in general for the next two days. I arrive in BKK in 2 days and I have one night! I usually don't ask for help wit kit searching but BKK is extensive and with bad internet I am not making much progress. Can anyone recommend one or two good incall FS places. Massage parlors or otherwise with FS. Prefer Nuru but good looking girl and FS is more important than Nuru.
You can tell from my past reports that I am not a leecher. I will report back for sure. Thank you.Read this! I can’t PM it to you as your PM is full and you need to delete some messages before you can receive more PMs.
So many debates and so many questions in my PMs and the Bangkok thread, I thought I would put together my take as a kind of newbie guide for mongers on where and how to find girls in BKK.
With the digital world taking over and the ladies continually glued to their phones, there is no doubt that it is the best place to find P4P. I will start with Craigs List. CL no longer has their traditional categories for mongering. The providers are now posting in the beauty section, services section and any other section for that matter. This is my least favorite option as there is a lot bullshit to weed through and the ladies are less than reliable. I personally prefer We Chat, Badoo, Thai Friendly, Bee Talk, Scout/Meet Me, Thai Joop, Facebook, and Tinder..
Member #4591
12-27-18, 18:36
Ventured into Beer Garden. Has gone down drastically in terms of quantity and quality. Where is the day time action at?Your next best option is soi 4 where all the Hillary bars are along with Morning night. Also the massage shops all open at 10:00 and by noon to 14:00 most of the girls will have arrived. Also you can find freelancers on We Chat and Thai Friendly that will do house calls to your home, condo, or hotel. Tons of daytime action.
As thanks to contributors of good info on this site, I report my experiences, hoping they will be helpful to my brothers out there. All 4 girls I asked about recommending them said yes happily and spelled their names to make sure I got it right. Each was also happy when I told them a friend (you out there) had recommended her.
I read many pages of the Thailand forums. While not dense in useful info, it is easy to spot the good stuff and some of the chit chat is entertaining. This helped me formulate my plan. I only had parts of 3 nights and one and a half days. While the thought of taking a street girl or bar fining a go go girl was exciting and I saw good candidates when there, I was going to have so few 'at bats' that I decided to go with recommendations herein that were what I wanted. I envy you guys who live here and have the time to work the gogos, street girls, dating sites and find the good cheap ones, but I had to have my 4-5 shots be good ones.
I ended up going to one BJ, and 4 massage places (Doki Doki, Tulip, Eden, Analisa, reports in the massage forums). I also put a hotels post in the hotel forum.
I learned how to say Hello, and thank you in Thai because I find most people appreciate that. The girls, receptionists, waiters all spoke enough English to get by and there are hand signals for everything. One girl even spoke as well as I!
I say girls but you know I mean women, young women who accept and seem to like what they do, and I guess they would rather do this than a regular job because the money is better. I treat them well, compliment them, and tip them. Human kindness.
As for cost, the most I spent was 5000 be (2 girls at Eden including tip). That is $152 USD. Where I live, that is 6 lap dances with me not touching and me fully clothed. I didn't want to go home with regrets, so I decided what I wanted and am happy I could afford the splurge.
Arrived BKK at 2230, got baht at an ATM, took taxi to hotel (I liked the taxi take a number system), in room by 2330. It was fast and less than 500 be. I wanted to take the trains for less than 100 be but didn't want to get stranded at the midnight train closing time.
I figured I would be tired from the trip so chose a BJ bar for my first visit. Was going to go to Afterskool for the thrill of an in-bar BJ but they close at 2400, so chose Duangporn's Haven at 6/12 Sukhumvit Rd 9:30 am 1:00 am 800 be for BBBJ, GPS 13.735671, 100.560745 (google street view is outdated), just behind the cute Asoke Bar which is on google maps. Arrived 0030, as I came into view, a beautiful gal stood, shoulder length black hair, reminded me of a US TV star I can't name right now, went right in with her without really looking at any of the 6 others. She was happy, friendly and spoke good enough English. I asked deep throat, she grabbed my dick to measure and said sure, kindly not laughing and saying "who couldn't". Led me upstairs to a room with a shower curtain door, bed, and a chair. Had me undress, put a skirt around me, led me to shower area, cleaned my junk which would probably have done the job had she continued, dried me, let me back. Next time I would take my money with me as it laid there untended, no problem but why risk? BBBJ was good. Some DT but not a lot, I didn't ask for more. She worked hard to get me off (I am old) and may have swallowed, don't remember if she spit or not as I was blessed. Would repeat, forgot to ask her name.
Walking back to hotel, went down Soi Cowboy for first time, lots of girls outside the clubs, but I wanted to go to Crazy House (google maps). Most girls on Cowboy were skinny and pretty flat chested. I kind of enjoyed them grabbing me and trying to pull me in but too blatant. I went in a few later on but they were usually empty, but did see one girl dancing in one that made me say wow but I stupidly didn't try to buy her a drink to see what would happen. The sexiest girls along Cowboy were the ladyboys at Cockatoo. Had they been out grabbing, I might have gone in for a drink just for the experience.
Crazy House. I love this place so much I ended up going all 3 possible nights. Just because junior is done for the day doesn't mean I have to be. For 5 usd, you can sip a beer and watch a stage full of beauties move around sexily to music, most of them nude, some with tops and tiny skirts with no thong. There were 2 shifts of 20 girls each, nice variety from shy to wild, tiny tits to enhanced, I only saw 1 chubby girl. If you sit at the bar, a forest of beautiful calves is at eye level. Tilt your head for pussies, and a little more for tits and faces. Sit against the walls for a bit more distant view. First time, a naked girl came up and asked me to buy her a drink. She sat on my lap for a while and we talked some over the way too loud music, I had my arm around her and she said "you can touch". To save you newbies some time, here is what I figured out. Wish I had more time to refine. Don't wait to be asked. Some walk by when not dancing so if you like, just wave or touch an arm and they will be yours unless they are headed for someone. What I liked to do was find one I liked dancing and make eye contact. If she smiled, it meant she was willing. Point to your beer and wave her over and she will nod yes and when the 5 song set is over she will come over and start chatting, all spoke enough English to have a nice little talk while she lets you feel her tits and pussy; go slow so she can stop you if she wants. A waitress will come over and you buy a lady drink, a shot of tequila I think and a chaser for 330 be. So for under 500, 15 usd, including a tip for the waitress and 100 for the girl if I liked her, you get a nice time with a beauty and she gets a drink and a piece of paper good for a cut of the drink cost I hope. The hard parts are choosing which one and deciding to buy her another drink or to go on to another girl. I preferred the nude ones but ended up with more of the little dresses because they seemed to make better eye contact. Once, as soon as I sat on a stool, a tiny thin girl jumped between my legs and immediately put my had on her pussy. I of course bought her a drink and when I would take my hand away, she would put it back! Each girl or the waitress asked if I wanted to bar fine. I think it was 700 be plus the girl's price, and go upstairs or out. I always had to say no but only one girl kept at the hard sell and I just told her to go away. But every few minutes I would look at all those legs and think you lucky bastard.
I wanted to do an escort. Sugar at absolute-angels-Bangkok was #1 until I realized it was physically impossible for those boobs to be that big and point straight out like that and not be photoshopped. Hope I wasn't wrong! Also saw some girls I wanted on smooci but it didn't work out, I posted my thoughts to the smooci forum.
Very happy with each of the girls I went with. Glad I'm not as critical as some of you guys, who seem unhappy with anyone but their ideal fantasy babe, who if they found her would probably charge them thousands per hour. I hope you find her. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the looks and talent I found was a lot better than I expected from reading this forum. Glad I ignored most of that and concentrated on the positive reviews. Thanks in part to ISG, it was a great trip, only wish I could stay all winter so I could contribute reviews of other places and girls.
I arrive in BKK in 2 days and I have one night!
Hard to say, Bangkok is the oriental city and as we all know it time flies and the world is your oyster. These should help you out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnqj31VPNoE also check this one out as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfB_K4RGtDo.
IMO the NPL area gets a bit of a bad rap. What day and time you check it out makes a considerable difference. Prime times would be Friday / Saturday night from sundown till about midnight. If you go Tuesday afternoon then yes expect a limited and poor selection. And of course if you cross the street to NP you will find much higher quality ladies. But that are different P4 P market segment for several reasons.
SL.To be fair, my reporting / observations consisted of times from 1 am to 3 am on various nights / mornings.
I have probably been with 100 girls named Noi.In that case you should have done 10 Naams by now.
In addition, a gal with a 4 month old child having to hustle? Man, I just can't take that type anymore. What type is that? Poor education? Not incredibly smart?
How does the girl support her child when the father is probably not interested? Abortion is against their religion, and many could just not go through with it.
Many girls are able to convince themselves to be a hooker for the necessity to support the child (and possibly other family members). Is that somehow worse than a young non-mother willing to be a hooker? Why look down on them?
I know one very low education girl currently working long hours as a waitress or food seller at night for 10K per month. She has to pay room rental (almost half of the 10K) and send some money home for the child. She would probably rather work as an MP hooker if she was able (unfortunately she is not a Thai citizen and there is a crackdown on non-thais with raids these days). The MP money per month is better.
What type is she? Pretty, good slim body, very low education (very poor background), prone to migraines, no husband evident now (he left). Wants to find a way to support herself and the child adequately.
The very thing that originally allowed Thai hookers to be very cheap, was the lack of viable earning alternatives for them and the need for them to do some freelance to supplement the money they had, even if they had a "normal" daytime job. Freelancers on the street can still be cheap for these reasons.
Would you think these girls had a huge amount saved away that could support themselves and a child for a long time? Makes no sense really.
So the question remains how come these young girls have to get pregnant mostly to some young Thai boy that does not give a shit in reality. Probably could not force him to use condoms. ha ha. All birth control methods are fallible. That is why western girl abortion rates are high even for teenagers.
In that case you should have done 10 Naams by now.Not only have I not done 10, I have only met 1. However, for sure I have done over 10 girls named Tukta, Porn, Ae, Bee, Joy, Nut, May, Nan, and others over the years. That being said, I have only spent a few weeks in Thailand in the last 5 years. Prior to that, I spent a ton of time in Bangkok. Is Nam a newly popular Thai bargirl nickname? The girl I met named Nam was recent. Then again, none of those nicknames are the girl's real names.
What type is that? Poor education? Not incredibly smart?
How does the girl support her child when the father is probably not interested? Abortion is against their religion, and many could just not go through with it.
Many girls are able to convince themselves to be a hooker for the necessity to support the child (and possibly other family members). Is that somehow worse than a young non-mother willing to be a hooker? Why look down on them?
I know one very low education girl currently working long hours as a waitress or food seller at night for 10K per month. She has to pay room rental (almost half of the 10K) and send some money home for the child. She would probably rather work as an MP hooker if she was able (unfortunately she is not a Thai citizen and there is a crackdown on non-thais with raids these days). The MP money per month is better.
What type is she? Pretty, good slim body, very low education (very poor background), prone to migraines, no husband evident now (he left). Wants to find a way to support herself and the child adequately.
The very thing that originally allowed Thai hookers to be very cheap, was the lack of viable earning alternatives for them and the need for them to do some freelance to supplement the money they had, even if they had a "normal" daytime job. Freelancers on the street can still be cheap for these reasons.
Would you think these girls had a huge amount saved away that could support themselves and a child for a long time? Makes no sense really.
So the question remains how come these young girls have to get pregnant mostly to some young Thai boy that does not give a shit in reality. Probably could not force him to use condoms. ha ha. All birth control methods are fallible. That is why western girl abortion rates are high even for teenagers.Most of the issues that you list are reasons not to get pregnant. Abortion? Available for almost no cost in Bangkok. Birth control is readily available without a script. Poor education? Not incredibly smart? Well, there you have it. And both of those are a real turn off to me. In fact, no matter how great looking a gal is, when she opens her mouth and complete drivel comes out; I'm just not interested. Sorry, smarts matter. Smarter gals are better lays as well. They understand seduction, eroticism, know to monitor and adjust to their customer's needs, and can get inside your head and really figure out what turns their client on. Now, we have many discussions about price here. Do I expect this from a 25 USD hooker? No. But if I'm paying 100 USD plus in a city where the average monthly income is 800 USD a month, then your damn skippy I expect a lot. A cute farmer's daughter with a po-6 or mo-3 education who thinks just spreading the legs is good enough, well, isn't good enough. I think with more opportunity for even less educated gals in Thailand now, the P4P industry (especially the GoGo) scene is really getting the bottom of the barrel. When most open their mouths, my sex drive plummets. I would think that the gals with any smarts whatsoever are online, not in GoGos, MPs, or the freelance hangouts. It really makes no sense for them to work those venues if they have any sense at all. Online allows them to be their own boss and manage their own affairs and time. That shows some initiative a bit of creativity.
I mean really, would you be interested in a gal with a 6th grade education who got knocked up at 15 or 16, and had the kid in your home nation?
Abortion? Available for almost no cost in Bangkok. I have no idea if safe abortion is available for low cost, nor how safe it is. Not really completely relevant. It is not legal, I believe. Abortion operators get arrested and jailed from time to time.
Anyway the point is Thai girls pregnant do not get abortions at same percentage rate as western girls. It is against their religion and principals. They cannot kill the unborn child, possibly fearing the bad Karma, going to hell, or being reincarnated in the next life as a low animal with incredible hardship. I can't be expert in their thinking, but have been informed by several that abortion was not a viable option for their principals.
How come so many young hookers do not get an abortion? They just cannot agree to it. Here in lies a large risk attached to bareback sex. Other birth control methods fail. e.g. the Bo at Cherry just mentioned in another thread used birth control. It failed. She never intended to have babies.
Level of education has not been a factor for me, when doing P4P girls. I don't need them for advanced scientific conversation, and even my past western Mrs would have no clues if I started discussing details of my work. She did not get knocked up at 16 but her sister did and that sister had an abortion. It happens, maybe a lot more than most think.
Actually horny girls are preferable for me. My ex Farang Mrs was a mistake, still a virgin when I met her. That was a really bad idea. Would have been better of with a horny girl into sex.
However, for sure I have done over 10 girls named Tukta, Porn, Ae, Bee, Joy, Nut, May, Nan, and others over the years. That being said, I have only spent a few weeks in Thailand in the last 5 years. Prior to that, I spent a ton of time in Bangkok. Is Nam a newly popular Thai bargirl nickname? The girl I met named Nam was recent. Then again, none of those nicknames are the girl's real names.The frequency of Naam is really not much less than the other names you listed. Actually more frequent than Bee, I suspect. It is just a fluke you did not meet more of them. Could be a fluke that I only met two or 3 Bees. One was a GF of sorts. I also met though "Pheung" which means Bee. Tuk is actually more common than Tukata, perhaps used more in older generation. Had a short term GF Tuk also at one time.
I have done all the names you list but probably not to 10 times unless we count repeats of the same girls as multiples. Tuk, Porn, Bee, Nut, too numerous to be countable repeats of same girl.
Naam has been relatively popular since 1991 (my first trip to Thailand with a chance to meet girls), not a newly popular name at all, and of course nothing at all to do with bars or hookers. Just generally common.
Yes we can say these names are their short nicknames. Not official first names which tend to be 3 syllables (commonly). Nicknames are also used since birth, but the girl can change them if they are not that keen on the original nickname. So they can have more than one.
One Naam I knew well was originally called Noi, it seems, but there were too many Nois amongst the relatives, so she changed to Naam. A Thai girl would not be called Water though, or American style WOR-DER. Naam sounds much better.
Back in 1991, the most common Thai nickname was Lek I believe, however it seems to have gone out of fashion, hardly meet any young Leks anymore.
I have probably been with 100 girls named Noi.I used to get a lot of Nois and Leks about 10 years ago. I haven't met a Noi in quite some time.
I used to get a lot of Nois and Leks about 10 years ago. I haven't met a Noi in quite some time.Have you been away from Thailand?
Noi is not that great as a working name. Too common. Girls may change to something more exotic as a working name like Ice, Apple, Champagne, Tukata, Oil, Vodka, Bell, Benz, Candy, Grace, Emmy, Rose, Nancy, etc. And some of these western names cannot be pronounced correctly western style by most Thais.
I used to have several Nois in the phone, and would think "who T'fuck is that? So had to include the place knowing the Noi. One was a GF's mother. One in Doll House, one in Crazy House, one in SuziW etc. There is more than one type of Noi too, A high tone Noi and a low tone Noi, spelled differently in the Thai language. There is also more than one (Ae, Aey) with different tones.
I nearly forgot, Anne and Anna, have always been extremely popular Thai girls names possibly due to being a Farang name as well.
One of the weirdest for me to say, I thought was "Euay" (my guess to English spelling) as no consonant sound present much like Ae has no consonant sound. Equally weird I guess are the ones Thais cannot pronounce, yet want to use with a weird way to say it.
Ice in one shop was called by reception to come out. They called out her name as: "Eye-See-Ee". The I-C-E is an express train in Germany, so that was really funny to me, to call a girl: I-C-E. I assume all girls called Ice are hookers, but I could be wrong. Most impractical name though, for Thais to pronounce. The drug Ice is known to Thais as "Yaa I". "I" (sounds like Eye) is their best attempt at saying Ice. Thai for Icecream (on a stick) is often sounding like "I-Dteam" or could be like "Eye-sa-kh(r)eam"
Recently we had an MP girl whose name was described as Ferry and also as Furry. Bit of mystery exactly what they intended, but weird. Possibly Fairy, Faerie, Fernie, or Fleurie, but difficult to know.
Member #4591
12-28-18, 06:57
FYI the hardness you felt is silicon. Known her for years, before she became a hardened pro and learned to do the squealing act. Shacked up with her in Jomtien for a week when she was FOB from Surin; no money changed hands. She was happy with meals and a bikini or two. She was indeed adorable back then, before she had surgery on her nose, breasts, and tours of duty in Moscow and Bahrain. She's fallen on desperate times; sad but common story.I can't PM you but you know what you did mate. Not cool at all. What are you trying to prove?
Was going to go to Afterskool for the thrill of an in-bar BJ but they close at 2400Since when? I was there 3 weeks ago until about 2 am getting drunk and playing with a SWT.
Many girls are able to convince themselves to be a hooker for the necessity to support the child (and possibly other family members). Is that somehow worse than a young non-mother willing to be a hooker? Why look down on them?
If they don't have a young kid a lot of boyfriends or family that leech off them.
El Moreno 92
12-28-18, 10:29
Just to give you guys some examples of the girls I've hooked up with on Thai Friendly, I will post some pictures of the enticing photos I have collected from my latest conquests. I don't care what anyone says, it is still a goldmine for pussy and you should sign up for premiuim and follow the advice I have given and the advise of others as well. But if you don't have premium, it is a real pain in the ass and a waste of time. These are just a handful of the girls I have been with from TF over the last few months. Dont give up. Some became part time girlfriends and some were just a one time thing.Wow. They are hot. You have convinced me to sign up since I am about to spend 10 days in BKK. I hope I can have similar success as you.
Back in 1991, the most common Thai nickname was Lek I believe, however it seems to have gone out of fashion, hardly meet any young Leks anymore.I have a friend in the US who is a man and he calls himself Lek. I think his real name is Parkpoom or something like that. He's an MD.
Jimmy Boy 99
12-28-18, 17:13
Snip. While on a Japanese condom site I noticed that Okamoto, which is apparently Sagami's main competition in the premium condom market has a "001 0. 01 mm Zero One Large Size Condom". I grabbed some of them too. They aren't cheap though, only come in 3 packs and cost about US $12 (Yes US $4 per condom) compared to just less than US $2 for the Sagami's. Snip
Hey Bubba Boy, looks like you are really prepared for action. Last trip I brought along 3 dozen Sagami 0. 02 L's and a 1 dozen Lelo Hex. I paid around $1.50 US per unit for the Sagami online and around $0.75 per unit for the Hex direct from Lelo. In LOS the Sagami's retail for around 70 baht per unit.iI don't know where you ordered or got yours, but I got three 12-pack of the Sagami 0. 02 L for $35 delivered to the US through E-bay. Should be able to get same price delivered to Thailand.
Do I expect this from a 25 USD hooker? No. But if I'm paying 100 USD plus in a city where the average monthly income is 800 USD a month, then your damn skippy I expect a lot. A cute farmer's daughter with a po-6 or mo-3 education who thinks just spreading the legs is good enough, well, isn't good enough. I think with more opportunity for even less educated gals in Thailand now, the P4P industry (especially the GoGo) How much does a Thai earn in low end jobs?
Based on https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/thailand/annual-household-income-per-capita.
"Thailand's Annual Household Income per Capita reached 3,322.813 USD in Dec 2017".
This would translate to 100 K THB / Yr- about 8 K PM. So not really 800 $ (25-26 k).
How much does a Thai earn in low end jobs?
Based on https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/thailand/annual-household-income-per-capita.
"Thailand's Annual Household Income per Capita reached 3,322.813 USD in Dec 2017".
This would translate to 100 K THB / Yr- about 8 K PM. So not really 800 $ (25-26 k).That's very low end jobs. The Thai people in our office make a damn good salary. They make almost as much as a similar position in the USA would pay. There are a lot of Thais doing very well.
A "low" paying full time job in the USA would be around 14,000 usd a year. But someone on welfare in the USA usually gets much more than that.
I have more respect for a Thai making 3,000 a year or an American making 14,000 a year in the lowest paying job than I do for an American (or illegal alien) in the USA on welfare.
A stripper in a nice strip club in the USA can make around 2,000 usd per night. So they make about the same as some of the highest paid professionals in America. Using that logic, Thai gogo girls should be making a huge salary.
Robert Long
12-28-18, 21:47
That's very low end jobs. The Thai people in our office make a damn good salary. They make almost as much as a similar position in the USA would pay. There are a lot of Thais doing very well.
A "low" paying full time job in the USA would be around 14,000 usd a year. But someone on welfare in the USA usually gets much more than that.
I have more respect for a Thai making 3,000 a year or an American making 14,000 a year in the lowest paying job than I do for an American (or illegal alien) in the USA on welfare.
A stripper in a nice strip club in the USA can make around 2,000 usd per night. So they make about the same as some of the highest paid professionals in America. Using that logic, Thai gogo girls should be making a huge salary.I have heard from a few ladies that the employees at 7/11 are paid 300 a day. That comes to the average given if they work 7 days a week.
But I agree that average office worker must make more. They hang out in Starbucks or any of the multitudes of Coffee Cafes and Malls. This means they have money to spend. Of course they live in small rooms and usually double up to share expenses.
RL.
That's very low end jobs. The Thai people in our office make a damn good salary. They make almost as much as a similar position in the USA would pay. There are a lot of Thais doing very well.Without telling us the actual number, I will be surprised that is the general case.
This means they are doing better and richer than the US workers because everything is cheaper here. It also implies Korean, HK, Japan, or Taiwan are all doing better than US. Some of these East Asia countries hire a lot of workers from Southeast Asia countries for about $800 a month working 6 days a week. A friend of mine has 5 maids. I know I will take about 40% salary cut if I transfer to Asia.
A stripper in a nice strip club in the USA can make around 2,000 usd per night. So they make about the same as some of the highest paid professionals in America. Using that logic, Thai gogo girls should be making a huge salary.Sorry that is not logical. Very top gogo girl that is very popular with lots of regulars and multiple STs per night can make 150 K Baht per month. That still doesn't compare to the really rich people in Thailand.
However the average gogo girl maybe making between 30 K and 50 K, and some girls are so undesirable as to hardly get a BF and therefore make well under 30 K per month.
American strippers make a lot maybe because there is so little alternative to them. The money thrown at them is ridiculous right? When they don't even have to fuck. Here, many guys are boycotting gogo bar girls because they have viable cheaper alternatives, e. G. 1 K street walkers on Soi 4 for a quickie, or MPs like Tulip, SW, etc. Comparisons with the US don't make a lot of sense to me, especially as I don't live there and visit rarely. Levels of the law and morality are different. Supply of hookers is far different. I have never had a fuck in the USA, as far as I remember (or definitely not a memorable one), and may have wasted a bit it on black hot strippers in San Francisco.
Some time during the 1990's Nana Plaza took off, don't recall the exact year, me preferring Lollipop and Pretty Lady nearby on left side ground floor. One bar had a nude mermaid fish tank. Nude dancing occurred for a small number of years. Later it was stopped and resurfaced in Cowboy. This was before internet days. Certainly no ISG to get tips from I guess.
Here is a Goth girl, I believe called Angie, selected from Pretty Lady I think, due to hot bod, raunchiness. She was a good fuck and had no qualms at all about posing nude. A show off. Possibly on drugs of some sort. E. g. Yaa Baa. Had those wrist cut marks. You may even notice she has slightly more arm hair than desirable. In that year bald pussies did not really occur at all I think. All girls had some pussy hair.
Did her just once (I believe) but still remember her quite well. I guess the photos help a little but I would not forget how the body was close to a 10. Face not quite my spec these days. Not quite the personality I would go for, however it meant there were no restrictions. Probably BBFS.
Photos of old photo prints. Hence quality not top. Strange nose but I think probably natural. Looks nothing like the typical nose jobs.
Would I do her today? I think if dancing nude, the body would win me over even if a bit of a low class raunchy type. There are not many girls with good natural tits like this these days exposed to see how good they are. Even in those days, not many girls with a body this hot in the gogos. I imagine she made money quite easily, as much hotter than most girls.
Pic looks like I was staying at the Dynasty Inn nearby. Would not stay there any more. Ha ha.
How much does a Thai earn in low end jobs?
Based on https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/thailand/annual-household-income-per-capita.
"Thailand's Annual Household Income per Capita reached 3,322.813 USD in Dec 2017".
This would translate to 100 K THB / Yr- about 8 K PM. So not really 800 $ (25-26 k).Annual Household Income PER capita?
Since PER Capita means "per person", do the figures mean per household or per working person? Who knows?
Since I live in Mexico, I looked up the Mexican figures in the same report. The minimum daily wage in Mexico is about $4 USD / day. The report lists $2,700 USD per year which works out to be about $10 USD / day. Or about $200 pesos per day. Which is about what the average shop clerk, etc. Makes. So I must conclude that the report actually means Average Income Per Person.
So that would mean that the average "low end" wage in Thailand would be about $400 baht / day which isn't far off from Robert Long's post saying $300 baht / day.
MichaelSamuel
12-29-18, 21:36
Minimum wage varies throughout the US but anyone who shows up to work reliably and works even half hard can easily get a $10 an hour job with no education or skills beyond high school. That works out to 31 k US a year at 60 hours a week and 52 weeks a year for making no investment in your education or developing any skills. Excluding a few places in the world that is a damn fine job for not investing anything and entry level. Also at that level of earning there is a lot of government assistance available.
Sorry that is not logical. Very top gogo girl that is very popular with lots of regulars and multiple STs per night can make 150 K Baht per month. That still doesn't compare to the really rich people in Thailand.
However the average gogo girl maybe making between 30 K and 50 K, and some girls are so undesirable as to hardly get a BF and therefore make well under 30 K per month.
American strippers make a lot maybe because there is so little alternative to them. The money thrown at them is ridiculous right? When they don't even have to fuck. Here, many guys are boycotting gogo bar girls because they have viable cheaper alternatives, e. G. 1 K street walkers on Soi 4 for a quickie, or MPs like Tulip, SW, etc. Comparisons with the US don't make a lot of sense to me, especially as I don't live there and visit rarely. Levels of the law and morality are different. Supply of hookers is far different. I have never had a fuck in the USA, as far as I remember (or definitely not a memorable one), and may have wasted a bit it on black hot strippers in San Francisco.
Annual Household Income PER capita?
Since PER Capita means "per person", do the figures mean per household or per working person? Who knows?
Since I live in Mexico, I looked up the Mexican figures in the same report. The minimum daily wage in Mexico is about $4 USD / day. The report lists $2,700 USD per year which works out to be about $10 USD / day. Or about $200 pesos per day. Which is about what the average shop clerk, etc. Makes. So I must conclude that the report actually means Average Income Per Person.
So that would mean that the average "low end" wage in Thailand would be about $400 baht / day which isn't far off from Robert Long's post saying $300 baht / day.Yes, I would say they mean per person, not per household, too, based on the USA numbers. They cite USA per capita (per person) income in 2016 as around $29,900 USD, which is about right per person while Annual Household income was generally cited in other sources as more like $56,000 per household.
I really fail to see the relevance of how much is average earnings in other countries, and how that should affect the earnings of hookers in Thailand, which vary so incredibly. No connection in my mind.
Are Thai hookers going to be influenced by how much hookers make in other countries? Not at all. They charge what they think they can get. When times are tough, the price goes up. Ha ha. Does not even really follow supply and demand principals. If a girl does only 1 fuck per day, she wants a lot more than another girl doing 5 guys per day. Bargirls became more expensive than Oily girls.
We all know there are countries where hookers cost vastly more than Thailand for a several hour booking, and also know there is a cheaper alternative in Cambodia.
I recall being told 2 or 3 years ago, that in Cambodia, you move outside the city area, where girls have no English and get a fuck for $10 no problem. So more like Thailand of many years ago. In 1991 in Thailand, could get a Thai girl for that sort of money. 1981 a girl may have cost only 100 to 150 Baht or so for sex in a province outside the city area, speculating a bit but having heard stories from a buddy. I was in Thailand in about 1983 but with wife in tow, was a bit restricted, so did not really get a handle on the prices. However I am sure it was the ideal time to be mongering in Thailand. HIV was not known and the biggest STD scare at the time was Herpes maybe.
Mongering punters can choose which ever country and place gives them the best experience and value for money. Guys that monger in many countries are still coming back to Thailand. So something is still O.K. I have cut right back in Europe because it costs significantly more per hour.
Hi gents,
Thanks for the intels on THERMAE. Like others said, its literally a cattle call for freelancers. There are 50-100 girls lined up in a horseshoe pattern and the guys go in circles trying to find a date. Mostly Japanese and Korean. Not much place to sit and hang out. No dancing. Very transnational.
Here is my take:
- Between Nana and Asoke MRT on Sukumvit.
- I like this format, because I don't drink and I am usually in bed by 11 pm, so don't want to spend too much time at gogo bars. Just want to find a quick bang and go to sleep. I got in around 9 pm on Friday and was about 60 girls. Can go in and out quickly.
- Quality is across the board. There are stunners and very unattractive. The hot girls know they are hot and will not talk to you. I got a sense its hard to have a good conversation with these girls before agreeing on price and then leaving. So you guys who like to chat up a girl before proposing sex, might not be the place for you.
- Majority Koreans and Japanese who can be quite annoying. I have a darker complexion and most of the girls wouldn't talk to me.
- They claim standard price is 2500-3000 for ST. Not sure how true that is, but what I paid.
I did find a attractive girl. Beautiful face, nice body. Took her back to my place. But when clothes came off, very saggy boobs and 2 kids body. Wish I had spend more time finding a tighter pussy. But did get some DFK, BBBJ, Condom FS and we spent some time in my bathtub, which was nice.
Banana Boi
12-30-18, 15:02
I did find a attractive girl. Beautiful face, nice body. Took her back to my place. But when clothes came off, very saggy boobs and 2 kids body. Wish I had spend more time finding a tighter pussy. But did get some DFK, BBBJ, Condom FS and we spent some time in my bathtub, which was nice.To avoid this next time ask the right questions like if she has had a baby, are her tits perky or saggy, and of course clarify the services she provides.
2500 is the rate and has been the same for quite some time. Any higher quote means they need more money to go with you over someone they prefer (waiting for the 333 comments).
Thanks for an actual review.
I have heard from a few ladies that the employees at 7/11 are paid 300 a day. That comes to the average given if they work 7 days a week.
But I agree that average office worker must make more. They hang out in Starbucks or any of the multitudes of Coffee Cafes and Malls. This means they have money to spend. Of course they live in small rooms and usually double up to share expenses.
RL.300 B/ day x 25 days = 7. 5 K THB only (nobody works 30 days) - this sounds too low. But if it is that- that is what it is.
https://checkinprice.com/average-minimum-salary-in-bangkok-thailand/
Average Salary in Bangkok, Thailand.
Average wages in Bangkok is pretty high compared to other areas of Thailand. Currently, the average wage in Bangkok is of 25,500 Thai Baht per month, or approximately 800 USD. (So 1000 B / day).
Bangkok has some of the highest average salaries among ASEAN members capitals. Singapore is the first on this list, followed by Bandar Seri Begawan, Kuala Lumpur and then Bangkok.
Nonetheless based on 350 B/day Low wages (even 1000 B/day Avg wages) - hooker rates should be much much lower than currently indicated 2-3 K / ST etc.
Wages are based on demand / supply. There is ample / surplus supply here- as easily evident. So likely the Punters are not negotiating well - Econ101.
Oh well,
To avoid this next time ask the right questions like if she has had a baby, are her tits perky or saggy, and of course clarify the services she provides.
2500 is the rate and has been the same for quite some time. Any higher quote means they need more money to go with you over someone they prefer (waiting for the 333 comments).
Thanks for an actual review.Some quote 3 because they think they can get it (mine did and does). Normally I would have blown her off, as I always do girls who quote above prevailing rate. But she is WELL worth the extra 500. Spent all night with me last night for no extra money (though I gave her 4). In her fierce year end race for money, she's apparently off to Thermae tonight too. I told her just to come see me. Which apparently she really wants to do. But only short time tonite. anyways, 2500 IS the "going rate", but as has been mentioned there is a disparity in the looks and age(s) of the women at Thermae. I wouldn't be surprised if the younger and hotter girls ask and get 3 (if not more) .. let's say 4 minutes. 4 cm and 4 thousand baht?
300 B/ day x 25 days = 7. 5 K THB only (nobody works 30 days) - this sounds too low. But if it is that- that is what it is.
https://checkinprice.com/average-minimum-salary-in-bangkok-thailand/
Average Salary in Bangkok, Thailand.
Average wages in Bangkok is pretty high compared to other areas of Thailand. Currently, the average wage in Bangkok is of 25,500 Thai Baht per month, or approximately 800 USD. (So 1000 B / day).
Those figures are spot on. Minimum wage jobs pay THB 325 (USD $10) per day. Only takes 2 out of 5 people to be on a decent wage of say THB 2000 (USD $60) per day to bring the over all average up to THB 1000 (USD $30) per day.
I guess that is why they aim for THB 2500 to THB 3000ST, just a bit more than an average days pay of a skilled worker. Not that these girls are probably educated enough for a well paid job but puts some perspective into their pricing.
Those figures are spot on. Minimum wage jobs pay THB 325 (USD $10) per day. Only takes 2 out of 5 people to be on a decent wage of say THB 2000 (USD $60) per day to bring the over all average up to THB 1000 (USD $30) per day.
I guess that is why they aim for THB 2500 to THB 3000ST, just a bit more than an average days pay of a skilled worker. Not that these girls are probably educated enough for a well paid job but puts some perspective into their pricing.Many office workers in Bangkok are making low end western-like salaries though right? Closer to 20,000 baht per (5-day) week is quite reasonable, which is only about USD $30 k / year, or about $15/ hour. So yeah in the ballpark of what an office girl would make if they get one or so person a day.
I did find a attractive girl. Beautiful face, nice body. Took her back to my place. But when clothes came off, very saggy boobs and 2 kids body. Wish I had spend more time finding a tighter pussy. But did get some DFK, BBBJ, Condom FS and we spent some time in my bathtub, which was nice.Always a huge risk with over dressed freelancers. Hence my more normal behaviour is to go to bars where I can see the body well. Even the double layer bras of Coyotes can be hiding crappy tits. Too risky generally unless can get the girl to show her tits. Even if the body comes out not too bad, still have the risk of low skills, or girls looking for a quickie, or stiff legs syndrome (dick scared). Definitely better for the Asian customers in Thermae. At least with street walkers, the amount of money risked is less.
After having a very hot body GF for many years now, it is very hard to get excited by a sloppy body, for me. Dick may hardly stir. Every girl has a pussy yes, and may even be a pretty one, but it is not enough for me.
I know other guys ask girls if they have a baby, however I can't see myself doing that, since many girls with babies still have a good body. Most of my regular girls (the odd exception) have a baby. Some even have a pussy a bit on the tight side of ideal for me. Some really beautiful pussy. Girls with baby, I would say, on average are not likely to be dick scared, and typically are more enthusiastic fucks.
Started my night at the Argentine steakhouse with 3 hoegardens and a Cuban. My plan was to swing by patpong to check out my favorite from last trip Kings Castle 1 and move on to Nana later in the night.
Upon arrival at 6 pm I realized the google opening time of 5 pm is incorrect. I found a great massage place on the next street over to kill some time. After a hour massage to cure my aches from 25 HR flight I nearly fell asleep.
I head into Kings castle 1 I think. Did they remodel? Last time it was a square the ladies danced on. Now it was a full stage and the place seemed bigger. Anyway, my first impression was 95% were skinny 21 years old just like I remembered so surely it was the same place. About 40-50 girls with more arriving. I saw about 4 that were of my taste. Nice booty and small to medium boobs.
After checking them all out and 1 Heineken later I picked bee bee. 21 years old and just started 2 weeks ago. Nit noy English which sucked but with help from papasan I stuck with my favorite. I bought her one lady drink and inquired about ST. Papasan stated 4300 including BF. I balked to try to get it down as it seemed a bit high to me. Papasan asked again a few minutes later and I balked again. Papasan said she 2nd prize whatever that meant. By this time, two of my 4 had been BF by asians a half a lady drink into sitting so I pulled the trigger. Thinking back on it today I think 3rd time would of got it lower.
Back in the room we showered and began aerobics. I went in for some kissing but I could tell she didn't like so I continued down her body for some DATY. She welcomed this and warned her up well I thought. The BBBJ that followed was lousy and short. At this point, I realized the aerobics was going to be the same kind of effort. So I skipped all of the soft screwing and flipped her over for a good pounding. She was a very vocal young lady.
I enjoyed the experience with the stunner even though it was nothing to write home about. I would return to kings castle 1 but would try one of the others. I was too tired to continue onto Nana. I will be back in 2 days to explore nana.
I almost didn't return to the King Castle gogos. Natty, turned me into them last trip and like I said before I love that it's mostly young stunners. I have read on others sites that Kings Castles are known for amazing transexuals that are hard to tell. I really investigated last night with intentions of moving onto Nana if I seen one Adam's apple or sign of LB. Did they change busniess model or our these other sites correct?
Now onto Pattaya.
I have read on others sites that Kings Castles are known for amazing transexuals that are hard to tell. I really investigated last night with intentions of moving onto Nana if I seen one Adam's apple or sign of LB. Did they change busniess model or our these other sites correct?
Now onto Pattaya.Probably depends on exactly which bar. Some may be LB bars with no girls at all. The one I went to with Natty had no LBs. I always peek in the door before entering a bar, especially if Pat Pong or Nana Plaza. Usually it is fairly obvious that LBs are present (if more than the odd one), and I don't even try to see Adam's Apples (too difficult). If a bar has 90%+ girls and the odd LB, I am not so put off like some guys. I just avoid the LBs, as needed. Plenty of bars have LB mamasans or serving staff. No big deal. I am not going to play up with them.
Seeing a guy tongue kissing a LB (or another guy) is a bit hard for me to adapt to. Tend to avert the gaze as conditioned since youth. Fortunately don't see it that often.
It is hard to post pics of my current girls, so pics from yesteryear are easier.
Here is an all natural tall model type, who worked in Voodoo (Nana Plaza). She was so tall that many guys suspected she was a Ladyboy. Only A cups, quite skinny, but beautiful pussy, even if not that well padded. Sorry is a pic of a photo print.
In those days, you could pay the girl a tip in the bar, and she might let you undress her completely for a short time at least (great to check out the body was my spec), even though I think the nude dancing on the stage had already gone from Nana Plaza (nude dancing in Nana was a little earlier I believe).
Looks like I took her all night and probably more than once. Interesting she carries a Photchunanagrom (Dictionary) Thai to English and / or Visa Versa, although by that year, my Thai should have been quite reasonable. Perhaps she was learning English and took opportunity to get my assistance on certain phrases. Her name completely escapes me now but do remember she came from Voodoo. Probably something common like Nit.
Still find her look attractive so my taste has not changed that drastically, I just got more fussy over the years.
In the early 2000's I mainly used soapies (very restricted mongering due to GF), and later moved back to Cowboy as nude dancing had arrived there.
I almost forgot she had a quite white non tanned face, because skin colour is not a big deal for me mostly.
Member #4698
12-31-18, 03:34
Kings Castle 1 and Kings Castle 2 (Patpong 1): 100% girls. Syzygies, we were at Kings Castle 2. I was with my KC 2 girl #1 at the time and you bumped into Barbara Bach, an old friend of yours. She seemed very happy to see you again. 555.
Kings Corner 1 (Patpong 1 - closest of the Kings bars to Surawong): 50/50 girls & ladyboys. Very weird set up. The girls and the LB's take turns dancing in segregated sets on the stage. My favorite 2017 Kings Castle 2 girl told me she first started working in Kings Corner 1 and then moved quickly to KC2. She said she didn't like working at Kings Corner 1. I can understand why.
Kings Corner 2 (on the side alley connecting Patpong 1 & 2): 100% ladyboys. Really obvious. Even a blindman would immediately know he wasn't in Kansas anymore.
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ThatGuy, I am glad to hear the KC 1 line up is still good. It was very good in October. On your specific girl: they all can't be memorable. It is your 1st night. I was in BKK for 12 nights before I had my 1st NEW memorable; my Atomic Blond and then the hits started rolling in one after another with my super hottie La Belle girl and then with a very cute little muffin from Twister.
BTW, 4300 all-inclusive does not sound too high for KC 1. Kings Castle 1 & 2 have multiple barfine levels. Assuming the barfine was 1400 baht for a top category girl, her price was 2900 baht which is at the top end of the current Go Go girl price range. I assume, however, that you only paid the barfine in advance.
Happy New Year!
Hi gents,
Thanks for the intels on THERMAE. Like others said, its literally a cattle call for freelancers. There are 50-100 girls lined up in a horseshoe pattern and the guys go in circles trying to find a date. Mostly Japanese and Korean. Not much place to sit and hang out. No dancing. Very transnational.
Here is my take:
- Between Nana and Asoke MRT on Sukumvit.
- I like this format, because I don't drink and I am usually in bed by 11 pm, so don't want to spend too much time at gogo bars. Just want to find a quick bang and go to sleep. I got in around 9 pm on Friday and was about 60 girls. Can go in and out quickly.
- Quality is across the board. There are stunners and very unattractive. The hot girls know they are hot and will not talk to you. I got a sense its hard to have a good conversation with these girls before agreeing on price and then leaving. So you guys who like to chat up a girl before proposing sex, might not be the place for you.
- Majority Koreans and Japanese who can be quite annoying. I have a darker complexion and most of the girls wouldn't talk to me.
- They claim standard price is 2500-3000 for ST. Not sure how true that is, but what I paid.
I did find a attractive girl. Beautiful face, nice body. Took her back to my place. But when clothes came off, very saggy boobs and 2 kids body. Wish I had spend more time finding a tighter pussy. But did get some DFK, BBBJ, Condom FS and we spent some time in my bathtub, which was nice.What you got at the end sounds like about the best anyone could expect for the standard 2500 baht in Thermae. I mean considering the pluses of her face and body and the level of service you got. Not the part about the very saggy boobs and a pussy not as tight as you wanted, of course. There are many times when a punter pays 2500-3000 for a girl in Thermae matching your general description and then discovers back in the room that DFK and BBBJ are no way on the agenda.
And in real world practice with fully clothed P4P girls, how would you find out the truth about their boobs and pussy tightness? Would you get a truthful answer if you asked, "Are your boobs very saggy or perky? Is your pussy tight or loose?" Hell, I rarely get a truthful answer from a clothed P4P girl about the amount of long scraggly hair on her pussy unless she assures me she shaves all if it smooth. LOL. If she says, "Oh, I don't shave there but I only have a little bit of hair anyway," you better sharpen up your machete for a real battle just to find an opening later.
And babies or not don't predict if the girl's pussy is tight or perfectly snug for me. These days I only ask whether a girl has a baby or not just as a matter of conversation and, primarily, to get her to ask me if I have kids too. When I say no, they invariablly ask why not and that is my opening to tell them the reason is I had a vasectomy many years ago and can't make a baby. When asked why I got a vasectomy the answer is because I cannot have sex with a condom. See where this is going?
Sure, some guys' very successful aproach is to just blurt out "I want sex no condom." But if I am chatting with a girl a while, say, over a Lady Drink or 2 in a go-go bar, there is no reason not to fit that into the chat so she is fully prepared for what I would expect from her and would confirm IF I agreed to barfine her soon.
However, that is often not the situation in Thermae. You can chat over a drink or two. But most don't. So I agree with Banana Boi that it is a good idea to discuss the services a girl will provide beforehand if they are important to you, which is generally my style as well.
However, the lineup format makes it difficult to get a positive answer from a girl in Thermae about a True GFE service like BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM. They are not going to agree to that if there is any chance the girl next to her overhears even your whispered question. Maybe a smartphone text and translate works.
I have found sucess in getting Thermae girls to agree to those things after we have stepped outside and are presumably on the way to my apartment. If she says no at that point she can turn around and go back down the stairs to be surveyed by morre Koreans and Japanese who mostly only pass through and seem more to be on a sight seeing tour than a hooker hunt in there to me.
On your specific girl: they all can't be memorable. It is your 1st night. I was in BKK for 12 nights before I had my 1st NEW memorable. My Atomic Blond and then the hits started rolling in one after another with my super hottie La Belle girl and then a very cute little muffin from Twister.
Pleased to hear that. I almost thought you were close to 100% success rate, were I would be 50% at best in gogo bars. Perhaps you are more polite about it and I get a little more cheesed off by the dud girls. My success rate for girls I would repeat is extremely low for La Belle (maybe only 2 girls ever repeated), and no girls repeated in recent years for the Thermae, meaning all of them were very average down to poor, and surgeries girls never even got selected if I could tell (which rules out a large percentage in La Belle). On other hand my current regular girls have been repeated many many times, so I guess they are the few in the "memorable" category, that have not disappeared.
In my early years at Thermae starting in 1991, from memory almost every girl was memorable, or I just forgot the others completely. Used to find such incredibly sweet and passionate girls. The experience was so superior to my ex Farang wife, it was like going to heaven. I feel they could have hooked a Farang boyfriend quite easily if they wanted to. Still I was only 35 so I guess that helped.
Member #4698
12-31-18, 04:24
Pleased to hear that. I almost thought you were close to 100% success rate, were I would be 50% at best in gogo bars. Perhaps you are more polite about it and I get a little more cheesed off by the dud girls. My success rate for girls I would repeat is extremely low for La Belle (maybe only 2 girls ever repeated), and no girls repeated in recent years for the Thermae, meaning all of them were very average down to poor, and surgeries girls never even got selected if I could tell (which rules out a large percentage in La Belle). On other hand my current regular girls have been repeated many many times, so I guess they are the few in the "memorable" category, that have not disappeared.Let me explain myself better. For me a girl can be a decent shag, even a pleasurable one, but at the same time not a memorable one. After 30,40 ,50 different girls on a trip, I am not going to remember them all. Only the standouts.
So, on my last swing through SE Asia, I had 20 girls more or less in my top 10, girls I really liked and many of which I repeated with or wanted to see again but could not. These are my memorable girls. When I see a photo of one of them, I instantly recognize the girl and the things we did. Actually, I don't need a photo to recall anything because I think about them. They are on my mind.
So, after these 20 to 25 girls there are another 20 to 30 that were fine, meaning we had decent shags, but nothing to write home about and I would have to look up their names in my field notes or see their picture to jar my memory.
The truth is I only had 2 BAD sessions on my last trip. The 1st one was the Badabing clock watcher in my 1st week. The 2nd was a Chinese girl on my 1st night in Macau on the 10th week of my trip. With that Chinese girl, I was suffering from Sauna sticker shock and made a bad selection based on trying not to spend too much. I knew right away from her body language that I had messed up. It was a very disappointing and inferior shag. Memorable, however, but in a bad way. Ha Ha.
Anyway, after that faux pas, I self-corrected by accepting current Macau prices and stopped worrying about it. Its only money. 555. So fuck it!. And on the very next night I selected a hot Rio Sauna Chinese "super model" and had MEMORABLE TIME with her. Top 10. LOL. I then repeated with her, the "super model" a 2nd time and we are still in touch to this day although I doubt we will ever see each other again. But I want to and that makes her Memorable.
So I think my percentages are high. Maybe I am just a cock eyed optimist, a glass is half full kind of guy, but that is not what my friends, girl friends, and family have been telling me for the last 200 hundred years so I kind of doubt it.
The truth is I only had 2 BAD sessions on my last trip. The 1st one was the Badabing clock watcher in my 1st week. The 2nd was a Chinese girl on my 1st night in Macau on the 10th week of my trip.Why is it, with me at least, that there is a need to get the first few bad experiences out if the way at the start of nearly every trip? As you have said the vast majority of my bad experiences happen early on and then the good ones roll in, with the very best often happening as the time draws to an end.
My eye is often drawn to the stunners upon arrival who inevitably disappoint as my memorable shags are based upon attitude and ability rather than pure looks. Once my eyes are no longer blinded by beauties, I then can seek out the girls who are cute but their real skill set is the ability to have a great time and keep me happy in all sorts of ways.
Obviously, I'm a slow learner because I make to same mistake every trip. 😳 😁.
Pointy Stick
12-31-18, 06:06
Minimum wage varies throughout the US but anyone who shows up to work reliably and works even half hard can easily get a $10 an hour job with no education or skills beyond high school. That works out to 31 k US a year at 60 hours a week and 52 weeks a year for making no investment in your education or developing any skills. Excluding a few places in the world that is a damn fine job for not investing anything and entry level. Also at that level of earning there is a lot of government assistance available.Things are harsh in the US. In Australia it would work out to be around AUD $14 per hour based on a 40 hour work week or $566. The minimum wage is about AUD $18 pre tax and with this we do get medical care however Australia is a very high COL country. I always wondered how much Bangkok Thais actually earn. I pegged it at around 300 baht a day and then thought how can lower class motorbike guys go around spending a third of their daily income on a couple of big changs from a 7/11 unless they were really stupid.
Robert Long
12-31-18, 07:20
Why is it, with me at least, that there is a need to get the first few bad experiences out if the way at the start of nearly every trip? As you have said the vast majority of my bad experiences happen early on and then the good ones roll in, with the very best often happening as the time draws to an end.
My eye is often drawn to the stunners upon arrival who inevitably disappoint as my memorable shags are based upon attitude and ability rather than pure looks. Once my eyes are no longer blinded by beauties, I then can seek out the girls who are cute but their real skill set is the ability to have a great time and keep me happy in all sorts of ways.
Obviously, I'm a slow learner because I make to same mistake every trip. 😳 😁.I keep in touch with the great ones and chat by LINE. I make appointments for when I first arrive and book them for a few nights. By the great ones I mean the ones that have wonderful attitudes and are like GF's. Then after a few days when I'm ready to Rhome I set out for new adventures. Still booking other contacts that I have made by LINE or TF.
I come right out and ask if they are looking for a BF or a customer. Over half reply "up to you" "what do you want"?
RL.
I keep in touch with the great ones and chat by LINE. I make appointments for when I first arrive and book them for a few nights. By the great ones I mean the ones that have wonderful attitudes and are like GF's. Then after a few days when I'm ready to Rhome I set out for new adventures. Still booking other contacts that I have made by LINE or TF.
I come right out and ask if they are looking for a BF or a customer. Over half reply "up to you" "what do you want"?
RL.Means they are a hooker. Does it affect the answer, how many BFs they have already?
What percentage say they are not a hooker or would never take any money? 555 I. E. Totally non commercial meet up.
I think all girls should be paid as hookers, in this context, unless they explicitly say not to, or somehow make it very clear.
Obviously, I'm a slow learner because I make to same mistake every trip. We can all pick the wrong girl easily enough, so all we can do is take time to try to choose well, and try to develop some choice guidelines. At start of trip you might be a bit too eager. I have the stubbornness that makes me want the prettiest girl, that is regardless of how long in Thailand.
Very inexperienced girls is a big risk.
Girls that like Asian guys when I am Farang is a big risk. I ask girls what sort of guys they like.
Reticent girls is a big risk, as are very prim and proper girls. Horny types are naturally better.
Girls too keen in a big hurry is a big risk.
Overly conservatively dressed girls where cannot see what the body is like is a big risk.
Shy girls may need about 3 drinks to loosen up their self control.
Then I might try to get a kiss. Great kissers are usually okay.
Girls a bit raunchy is probably not a risk unless drunk.
Girls that don't want to cuddle up is too risky.
Does she look like she can enjoy herself?
No rule is absolute. I am not put off by a girl being extra stunning. I am put off if a girl is just average or below.
When a Girl is stunning, my requirements for her skills drop a bit.
I might not even care if her BJ is weak.
My failure rates with stunners are no worse than average, however need to make sure some chemistry is there.
Having regular girls, means I try to give them priority when arriving in Thailand. These are failsafe girls, unless I am too sick to function properly. 555. Always good and not boring for me. Eating bad food fucks up my sex abilities for 2 or 3 days. Found that out recently after eating a bad kebab. Bad virus can do the same. Even something simple like taking cough medicine can desensitise my dick (as well as the throat) and make fucking difficult. We need a lot of things to be going right for us, sometimes, to get the best sex experiences, and that includes plenty of sleep, and don't eat a big meal for sex, or drink much alcohol. These are tips for old guys like me. Maybe if you are young, some of these issues may have no effect.
My sex life improved a lot when I lost 10+ Kilos. Being fit obviously helps a lot too.
We can all pick the wrong girl easily enough, so all we can do is take time to try to choose well, and try to develop some choice guidelines. At start of trip you might be a bit too eager."Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face" - Mike Tyson.
For the first couple of nights I also have a plan, then some gorgeous thing walks past and sucker punches me. A couple of night later the beauty blinkers are on and I'm a bit more rational about choices and selection. 😁.
I come right out and ask if they are looking for a BF or a customer. Over half reply "up to you" "what do you want"?
RL.How do you reply when they answer that?
Kings Castle 1 and Kings Castle 2 (Patpong 1): 100% girls. Syzygies, we were at Kings Castle 2. I was with my KC 2 girl #1 at the time and you bumped into Barbara Bach, an old friend of yours. She seemed very happy to see you again. 555.
Kings Corner 1 (Patpong 1 - closest of the Kings bars to Surawong): 50/50 girls & ladyboys. Very weird set up. The girls and the LB's take turns dancing in segregated sets on the stage. My favorite 2017 Kings Castle 2 girl told me she first started working in Kings Corner 1 and then moved quickly to KC2. She said she didn't like working at Kings Corner 1. I can understand why.
Kings Corner 2 (on the side alley connecting Patpong 1 & 2): 100% ladyboys. Really obvious. Even a blindman would immediately know he wasn't in Kansas anymore.
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ThatGuy, I am glad to hear the KC 1 line up is still good. It was very good in October. On your specific girl: they all can't be memorable. It is your 1st night. I was in BKK for 12 nights before I had my 1st NEW memorable; my Atomic Blond and then the hits started rolling in one after another with my super hottie La Belle girl and then with a very cute little muffin from Twister.
BTW, 4300 all-inclusive does not sound too high for KC 1. Kings Castle 1 & 2 have multiple barfine levels. Assuming the barfine was 1400 baht for a top category girl, her price was 2900 baht which is at the top end of the current Go Go girl price range. I assume, however, that you only paid the barfine in advance.
Happy New Year!Happy New Year Natty!
Why is it, with me at least, that there is a need to get the first few bad experiences out if the way at the start of nearly every trip? As you have said the vast majority of my bad experiences happen early on and then the good ones roll in, with the very best often happening as the time draws to an end.
My eye is often drawn to the stunners upon arrival who inevitably disappoint as my memorable shags are based upon attitude and ability rather than pure looks. Once my eyes are no longer blinded by beauties, I then can seek out the girls who are cute but their real skill set is the ability to have a great time and keep me happy in all sorts of ways.
Obviously, I'm a slow learner because I make to same mistake every trip. 😳 😁.I tend to do the same thing. Sometimes I get the good snags with the stunners. The 2nd one I had my eye on had a repeat customer take her. She knew the guy who sat next to me and he BF her. I'd assume she was the good shag stunner that got away. The way she was dancing should of told me something. Oh my my. Tonight will make up for it. I'm going with a proven 3 some for NYE. Teamwork! Teamwork!
Crocodilexp
12-31-18, 16:17
Average wages in Bangkok is pretty high compared to other areas of Thailand. Currently, the average wage in Bangkok is of 25,500 Thai Baht per month, or approximately 800 USD. (So 1000 B / day).Average is a deceiving measure in case of extreme income inequality as in Thailand. If you have 18 people earning 10 k / month and 2 people earning 150 k / month, the average is 25 k. In Thailand, most of the middle-class and almost all the ultra-wealthy are in Bangkok. Median is a better measure of how much a regular person (in the middle of the income distribution) actually earns.
Robert Long
01-01-19, 07:56
https://britishcondoms.uk/durex-play-stimulating-massage-2in1-200ml.html
Does anyone know if this product is selling in Thailand? Sounds like it is worth a try. I hate to order all the way from UK.
Please advise RL.
Robert Long
01-01-19, 08:04
How do you reply when they answer that?I say I'm a customer and I'd like to meet them. Set up a meeting at Starbucks or Holly's and see what shows up. I've been fooled by photos and weight. I show up and they are 10 kilos over weight and the photos was 15 years ago. Then I just get up and leave.
But if they are doable, discuss the price and yes the one's that answer "up to you" are hookers.
So Bubba, what would you do Buddy?
RL.
I say I'm a customer and I'd like to meet them. Set up a meeting at Starbucks or Holly's and see what shows up. I've been fooled by photos and weight. I show up and they are 10 kilos over weight and the photos was 15 years ago. Then I just get up and leave.
But if they are doable, discuss the price and yes the one's that answer "up to you" are hookers.
So Bubba, what would you do Buddy?
RL.I didn't fully understand the line when I first read it but now I get it. Yes I think your plan is a winner.
I am like you in that I have a script prepared and a dozen or so pre canned answers. Scripts get much better results and cuts the time down to a tenth.
https://britishcondoms.uk/durex-play-stimulating-massage-2in1-200ml.html
Does anyone know if this product is selling in Thailand? Sounds like it is worth a try. I hate to order all the way from UK.
Please advise RL.I gather this is a gel but you should have said so. Beware of "stimulating" products as girls may find them irritating or claim to be allergic to them.
Why try to make something suitable for both massage and pussy lube? May end up weak for both purposes. Same as why go to a Hair dresser shop if you really wanted a fuck. Might get a bad haircut and a bad fuck.
I am yet to find really great lubes in Thailand. Mostly too sticky and dry up quick, however if anyone knows very superior ones, I would like to hear. I find I can get much better products in Europe, so they go in the suitcase, along with Italian coffee (at a good price) etc.
https://britishcondoms.uk/durex-play-stimulating-massage-2in1-200ml.html
Does anyone know if this product is selling in Thailand? Sounds like it is worth a try. I hate to order all the way from UK.
Please advise RL.This website sells my condoms that I've mentioned before, a buck for each if you order 72 isn't too bad. https://britishcondoms.uk/pasante-unique-bulk-condoms.html.
however if anyone knows very superior ones, I would like to hear.Astroglide is a good one. It's the one girls in SW are using. They used to sell the small bottle for around 150 baht (very convenient because you can put it in any pocket's trousers) but recently I have been told that they only sell the bigger bottle at around 300 or 400 baht.
Robert Long
01-01-19, 20:24
This website sells my condoms that I've mentioned before, a buck for each if you order 72 isn't too bad. https://britishcondoms.uk/pasante-unique-bulk-condoms.html.I ordered from them before. That is why I get their emails. I didn't like their condoms. I prefer to go with the 03's you can get at 7/11. Thin enough to get the feeling of the pussy. I lack in sensitivity, that I think comes with aging. So I was interested by the ad that says "tinging" it sounds like it aids in the feeling when applied. I assume you apply before you put on the condom so it doesn't get in the pussy. I would try it if I can find somewhere.
Syzygies brings up a good point in that it might irritate the ladies. But I would think that testing was done before release of the product.
Never ever use the condoms that the ladies provide. Cheap and thick. They get them free at clinics I think.
RL.
Never ever use the condoms that the ladies provide. Cheap and thick. They get them free at clinics I think.
RL.Good point.
Left Angeles City on Dec. 31 for Bangkok. Met up with Crazy4 Thai in Nana around 8 PM. We visited a couple of his favorite small bars (no Hillary, etc.) and met up with other expats. Man, these bars were serving complimentary delicious Thai food because it's New Year's Eve. I sure had my fill. At around 10 we decided to visit a totally nude go-go joint in Nana Plaza. Funny thing is both of us couldn't remember which bars feature total nude. So we walked through the whole Plaza. Most bars were so full that they shut down the entrances. We finally went into Angelwitch and watched several acts. We were still there when the new year was ushered in. We called it a night around 1 AM. I really had a great time. Crazy4 Thai was great company. He has lived in Thailand for over 7 years. I am looking forward to hooking up with him in Hua Hin on Jan. 5th.
After so much mongering in AC, I wasn't interested in getting laid. I didn't even think of it. Anyway, I only saw one hottie in all of Angelwitch's lineup.
On Jan. 1st, I woke up late, when out for lunch in Bang Rak, then explored the Silom-Patpong area, mostly looking for the restaurants I had looked up on Google and food blogs. Then I went for a 2-hour legit body and foot massage. Had dinner, then got back to the hotel to do some work and write this report.
Tomorrow It' Be Tulip or something. Will report.
Funman13.
At around 10 we decided to visit a totally nude go-go joint in Nana Plaza. Funny thing is both of us couldn't remember which bars feature total nude. So we walked through the whole Plaza. Most bars were so full that they shut down the entrances. Name of the Nude bar? I have not seen any totally nude bars in Nana Plaza since 1990's.
Syzygies brings up a good point in that it might irritate the ladies. But I would think that testing was done before release of the product.
Some girls fine with any gel. Some extra sensitive and claim a reaction from certain gels but not all. Regardless of the testing.
One Farang girl claimed to be allergic to latex but her condoms were also latex as far as I could tell, so maybe she had problenms with a certain brand coated with some other substance.
Has anyone tried "Issey massage" located just near Siam BTS in the same road as one of the Lek massage places (there are at least 2 in the area). I have walked past them a few times and there are always youngish very cute ladies hanging around outside trying to get you in. I mean some of the younger (18 to 25 ish) ladies are extremely cute!
I looked them up on tripadvisor and there are tons of shocked reviews like "the lady separated me from my boyfriend and then tried to give him a Penis massage for THB 1000" . 555.
Just wondering because they are very cute but come across as a little scammy. Anyone been there?
Has anyone tried "Issey massage" located just near Siam BTS in the same road as one of the Lek massage places (there are at least 2 in the area). I have walked past them a few times and there are always youngish very cute ladies hanging around outside trying to get you in. I mean some of the younger (18 to 25 ish) ladies are extremely cute!
I looked them up on tripadvisor and there are tons of shocked reviews like "the lady seperated me from my boyfriend and then tried to give him a Penis massage for THB 1000" . 555.
Just wondering because they are very cute but come across as a little scammy. Anyone been there?If they charge 1,000 for a HJ I would avoid it.
Try Magnum Bareskin. Very Comfortable. The thinnest Magnum. Just get them on Amazon or wallmart.com.
The super-thin Japanese brands like Crown are too tight and don't have enough lubrication. Overrated.
Separately, Are you planning to go to Rio this year, to compare? I was there in 2006. It was Amazing. Many 9's and 10's with a 10 attitude. Great Party atmosphere in termas.
Judging by the latest reports, Sao Paulo has a lot more 9's and 10's now and Rio has become a second choice for mongering in Brazil. I am just curious how Rio is these days and would rather hear it from you. All your reports are very informative and well written. You could be Rick Steves for mongers.
Roaming Viking
01-02-19, 11:32
Happy New Year!
The other day I was reminded of an anecdote I may or may not have already shared with the readers of this forum. Some Western tourist was talking about how he had been accosted repeatedly by a motley array of ladies, all of them excitedly calling out to him: "lady boom boom!" Now the poor fellow evidently didn't get it and then, unbelievably, ventured to suggest that Lady boom boom must be the patron saint of Thailand.
Well, if that is so, then I have found a perfect match: Tik at Kasalong. If not a saint at least she is the blowjob queen of Bangcock. She takes that long, smooth Viking horse cock all the way down her throat. Besides she is not bad looking. At thirty something she is in fact very attractive with a very firm body and a face to match.
Tonight I went back to KL and took Shirley, She was having a snack with her friends. Most of the other ladies were not nearly as good looking. To be on the safe side I carefully inspected what little remained of the food they had been eating, making sure there was no hot sauce. I love pik nam pa as much as anyone but it is not conducive to a good blowjob.
Now Shirley is cute as a button. I kind of think I took her about a year ago. But I would have remembered a name like Shirley, right. Maybe she worked next door under another name. So she promised she had not eaten anything spicy, then gargled with mouthwash BUT the mouthwash kind of irritated my willie. Now junior is kind of tired these days but Shirley helped me along very nicely with her mouth. I unbuttoned her tight-fitting blouse and uncovered those perky little school girl boobies of hers. Very nice. Next time I plan to take her upstairs.
Nothing like that at Crazy House I arrived at bit early around seven and it took until abut 7. 30 until I saw any T&A. And the girls were not very pretty at all, and all shaved. Not like last New Year's eve.
Cheers!
SZ,
You may be correct. I usually hang out in Soi Cowboy for that. That's probably why we cannot remember!
Name of the Nude bar? I have not seen any totally nude bars in Nana Plaza since 1990's.
Happy New Year!
The other day I was reminded of an anecdote I may or may not have already shared with the readers of this forum. Some Western tourist was talking about how he had been accosted repeatedly by a motley array of ladies, all of them excitedly calling out to him: "lady boom boom!" Now the poor fellow evidently didn't get it and then, unbelievably, ventured to suggest that Lady boom boom must be the patron saint of Thailand.
Well, if that is so, then I have found a perfect match: Tik at Kasalong. If not a saint at least she is the blowjob queen of Bangcock. She takes that long, smooth Viking horse cock all the way down her throat. Besides she is not bad looking. At thirty something she is in fact very attractive with a very firm body and a face to match.
Tonight I went back to KL and took Shirley, She was having a snack with her friends. Most of the other ladies were not nearly as good looking. To be on the safe side I carefully inspected what little remained of the food they had been eating, making sure there was no hot sauce. I love pik nam pa as much as anyone but it is not conducive to a good blowjob.I liked the choice at kasa too. Had a great BJ from slim and petite Som. Wish I'd taken her upstairs at the time. V cute. Also Muoy was more rotund but good head.
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01-02-19, 17:32
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Sorry that is not logical. Very top gogo girl that is very popular with lots of regulars and multiple STs per night can make 150 K Baht per month. That still doesn't compare to the really rich people in Thailand.I didn't mention the very rich people. I just compared them to highly paid professionals such as doctors, lawyers, accountants, etc. A stripper in the USA can make just as much as those types and sometimes more. Gogo girls are in a similar position in Bangkok where they can make as much as those same professionals in Thailand. Seems fair to me. To compare the money a gogo girl makes to what the lowest paid person in Thailand makes doesn't equate. They become hookers for a reason. For the big money they will make. If they made minimum wage, they wouldn't be doing it.
Without telling us the actual number, I will be surprised that is the general case.
This means they are doing better and richer than the US workers because everything is cheaper here. It also implies Korean, HK, Japan, or Taiwan are all doing better than US. Some of these East Asia countries hire a lot of workers from Southeast Asia countries for about $800 a month working 6 days a week. A friend of mine has 5 maids. I know I will take about 40% salary cut if I transfer to Asia.I agree that the local Thais who have good jobs are doing better than US workers in the exact same position given their salary compared to cost of living and quality of life.
However, there are still US companies who pay expats a bonus to work in Thailand. Our company pays an extra 15%, free housing, free car and driver and maid (s), free school for your kids, and tax free salary to work in Thailand. Getting those jobs is not easy though because the list of guys who want those jobs is long.
American strippers make a lot maybe because there is so little alternative to them. The money thrown at them is ridiculous right? When they don't even have to fuck. Here, many guys are boycotting gogo bar girls because they have viable cheaper alternatives, e. G. 1 K street walkers on Soi 4 for a quickie, or MPs like Tulip, SW, etc. Comparisons with the US don't make a lot of sense to me, especially as I don't live there and visit rarely. Levels of the law and morality are different. Supply of hookers is far different. I have never had a fuck in the USA, as far as I remember (or definitely not a memorable one), and may have wasted a bit it on black hot strippers in San Francisco.Every city in the states is different in terms of what the girls do and how much they earn. All depends on the availability of jobs and the overall economy. Detroit for example, anything goes in many clubs and some very hot strippers can be had in the $100 to $150 range. My buddies won't even consider paying for a flight since talent can be had at their doorstep.
SexySlideGuy
01-02-19, 18:25
All,
Going to be nearby on a business trip and have the opportunity to fly into BKK for a short weekend. I have longed to go to Thailand forever. I have been to China many times and love Asian women. This is definitely a bucket list item for me. To those of you that have been to BKK, would you go to visit for just short of 2 days? The money for the flight is not an issue. I would arrive on a Friday at 07:20 and leave on Saturday at 20:30. Consider airport transfers in this. Is it worth it?
I agree that the local Thais who have good jobs are doing better than US workers in the exact same position given their salary compared to cost of living and quality of life.
However, there are still US companies who pay expats a bonus to work in Thailand. Our company pays an extra 15%, free housing, free car and driver and maid (s), free school for your kids, and tax free salary to work in Thailand. Getting those jobs is not easy though because the list of guys who want those jobs is long.I think it is safe to say in general US owned multinational corporations pay more to regular local Thai employees than the local Thai corporations.
If a job can not be done by a Thai employee, and must be done by an US employee, the pay will be comparable or more than in the US. A corporation usually will not send someone to foreign country to do a job that local can do if it costs that much more and that is not what we are discussing.
Steve 9696
01-03-19, 04:04
All,
Going to be nearby on a business trip and have the opportunity to fly into BKK for a short weekend. I have longed to go to Thailand forever. I have been to China many times and love Asian women. This is definitely a bucket list item for me. To those of you that have been to BKK, would you go to visit for just short of 2 days? The money for the flight is not an issue. I would arrive on a Friday at 07:20 and leave on Saturday at 20:30. Consider airport transfers in this. Is it worth it?Bangkok is an EXPERIENCE not to be missed. In China it is all hush hush and hidden behind closed doors (and gone downhill of late). In Bangkok it is all on wild display with literally hundreds of girls for the choosing and a garish carnival atmosphere. Nothing quite like it. Stay downtown and do Cowboy or Nana or both.
If you want to do Cowboy I was super happy with the Continent hotel. It's literally two blocks from Soi Cowboy but you'the never know it. Boutique hotel, class act. Girl friendly.
But whatever you do don't skip BKK. Have two or three girls Friday and another couple Saturday (depending on your budget) Worth it for sure. Even if you only do one or two girls the experience is a bucket list item.
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01-03-19, 04:30
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I slept the day away and some of the night. I think I needed it considering the 25 hour flight and getting 4 hours sleep the last two nights. I woke up at midnight and rushed to the shower and headed down to Nana.
First stop was billboard. Wow! This place was full of ladies that were of my taste. Skinny, big booties and natural breasts. Well except the lady I got sat in front of she had visible fake breasts with scars underneath to match. I was sat at the table on the right and the place was crowded. My table had some Japanese guy throwing money to the ladies every few minutes. The ladies I had my eye on were dancing on left stage. Couldn't get a seat in that area and was hard to check them out from my seat. With time limited I decided to try my luck somewhere else and plan to return to billboards earlier on day 5.
I wondered over to RB4. LB's galore. I had my eye on what seemed like a Japanese mixed girl. Waitress says she only like Japanese men. So I left a half a drink and moved over to twister.
Upon entering twister I had a lady smiling at me as I walked past. Getting no attention from my first two stops and feeling the buzzer closing in I decided to offer a drink. This was a mistake on my part. I will place part of the blame on being half asleep and running out of time. Immediately she starts talking about hotel. I push back and say I don't know. In retrospect I should of had her go away. I wasn't feeling it and another girl had gotten on stage that fit the part. I pulled the trigger. 1000 baht to bar and 3 k to girl. We get to the hotel and shower. She starts giving me a HJ. She spoke little English but we communicated through app. She said no BJ because something with her mouth. No kissing or DATY. Again, this was my own fault for not discussing this prior to BF. I kindly tell her no HJ and grab a condom. Aerobics followed and she kept doing this halfway pulling away thing to where I couldn't go all the way in. We went from Doggy to putting her on her stomach to missionary and same thing. I almost gave up and told her to go but I got her into doggy a second time and had better control. She relinquished a bit and I was able to complete the impossible task at hand. Upon finishing she wants to add me on line and says you come to twister tomorrow. She may be upset when I take her nice booty co-worker but what would one expect? Sophia
Day 5 will be in BKK. I'm going to start out at some soapy yet to be decided on and make my way back to billboards early. I'd like to get that sexy billboard lady they advertise on FB all the time. Report soon come. It's taking lot of time to complete reports sorry if I'm missing replies. Not enough time in the day.
TigressWanted
01-03-19, 06:19
All,
Going to be nearby on a business trip and have the opportunity to fly into BKK for a short weekend. I have longed to go to Thailand forever. I have been to China many times and love Asian women. This is definitely a bucket list item for me. Is it worth it?Just 1 night? Don't skimp. Book a room at the Landmark and pay extra to check in early. Start the day off right with any lady from Bangkok Gold Escorts. You'll get natural tits, DKF, a great BBBJ and CIM. Then later walk around the corner to Nana and head up to Billboard. Arrive at 8:30 - 9 pm. Buy the mamasan ("Mama the") a drink and feast your eyes on all the slender hotties. Maybe bar fine 2 and have a double back in your room. For breakfast book a lady from smooci, then finish off with a nuru massage with Uru (great body!) at Mitu in the afternoon. Live large. Invest in experiences.
Crazy4Thai
01-03-19, 06:51
SZ,
You may be correct. I usually hang out in Soi Cowboy for that. That's probably why we cannot remember!I am not ashamed to say that I am a very poor guide for the gogo scene. I might take one look a year here or there with no real preference. I too liked Crazy House in the early days but the amount of smoke in there ultimately drove me away. Angelwitch did a fairly entertaining little show with some brief full nudity. I commented on the poor lighting and Funman replied "because they are all old". Comparatively speaking he is certainly right. It did look like they were eager to engage rather than just doing the bored shuffle.
I would arrive on a Friday at 07:20 and leave on Saturday at 20:30. Consider airport transfers in this. Is it worth it?If this is just a side trip and you only have hand luggage then I would take the train to Masakan station and transfer to the metro. Only 1 stop to Asok / Sukhumvit. Just make sure you have some small change for the metro. By the time you're of the pland and trough customs you would probably hit moring peak hour going into BKK, so the train is probably the best option.
I've done heaps of 2 day trips to BKK, the last one about 4 weeks ago, for visa runs from the surrounding countries.
Faceless78
01-03-19, 14:32
As promised, I'm back with my post. It was rather a short stay, but I managed to experience as mush as I can.
I'll try to give you the details my days in bkk, hope it won't be too much.
BKK 27.
My plane landed at late night of 27, it's around 02:00, 28 when I arrived at the hotel. Luckily, Davin Hotel is 2 minutes from the Nana, so I decided to give a try, to see if there are any girls left for me.
I gave a quick tour of the whole 3 levels and noticed many of them were almost empty (few girls) or refused new entry (like rainbow 4). So I finally sat down in the first club near the entrance which was lollipop (close at 3).
There were about 7-8 girls dancing and and I surprisingly found 2 of them were charming enough to give a try. Regarding the late arrival, Thats a good start for me!
I made a quick decision to take one cute young nice see-cup (I normally don't take silicon) girl. I remembered to pay 900 bar fine and 3000 for ST (could be some differences, I was really tired after the long flight).
P.S. Most of the tail girls are relatively short, from 1. 50-160, a few for 1. 65 or above. Usually A cup or silicon cup. And I don't understand why 80% of them wear tooth braces.
We went back to the hotel, front desk asked for girl's ID card. Later I leant that they will call to make sure everything's fine when girl's leaving then give it back, which is nice to us.
We had a good time together. Talking, Joking, then she gave me a great blowjob and sex though she claimed only worked for 1 month LOL.
I believed she's trying to stay longer, she asked several when I'll get up in the morning and kept showing her FB posts to me. But I was too tired to continue our conversation. She left with 500 tip.
BKK 28.
28 was my only full day in the city, so I made a full plan: 13:00, escort from Absolute-Angel-Bangkok agency, 17:00 Maria spa, 21:00 nana Again.
I booked one vip escort Tina which cost me 8,000 for 2 h. She was beautiful and great attitude but with limited skills (she told me she worked in restaurant), so it was rather an average experience and not worth the money. But this agency has many good reviews online, so probably I just made the wrong pick.
Maria spa. I arrived around 17:30, there were about 15-20 girls and same number of customers. Price range from 5000-13500 (M to PR). As I was told, in Maria I can find the top beauty in bkk and I did. There were 2-3 model type that I would like to take at first glance without even thinking about the money. I picked one slim tall PR girl who claimed to work in real estate and only came as part time job. She's apparently well educated and had the best English skill I met during the trip, so I took her story. It's a good time, though the part-time girl could not provide the top service. But taking the price into account, I shall not return soon.
So finally I returned to Nana, one local friend took me to several of his fav bar: Rainbow 2(40-50 girls at least) and 4(same amount), twister(2 stage around 50), billboard(1 stage and 1 bathtub, 40-50) etc. this day was friday, tons of girls and of course tons of customers.
I must say Rb 4 has the best beauty as many mentioned, and I also found at least 2-3 gems in every other bars I visited. It was tough decision to make and I finally took one petite from Br 2, one girl looked friendly and honest.
p.s. I also took a short tour before taking any girl out to the famous Tamee. 100-150 girls stands in circle in the room, and even more men walk like taking a sight scene with beer or something in hand. The room was crowded as hell. I was told there are mostly part-time worker, with the most diversity. It was lot fun for me, and there were good girls. I highly recommend you to at least have a look there.
In the room, she seemed to have great interests in my body and kept kissing me everywhere. Acting or not, she made me satisfied. However, when We just started for 3 minutes, her period came without any expectation (we noticed that while changing position). She was frightened and so was I. She said she had pills regularly and last period was just 2 weeks ago. Anyway, we stoped. She returned money to me, I let her keep it but she really insisted so and told me she could call her friend to replace her. At last, I gave her 1000 taxi fee and she left me her line number. All right, what an unexpected night. Since I had 2 times in the daytime, it didn't me long to fall asleep.
The next day, 29, I rent a car to Pattaya and stayed there for the rest 3 nights. I'll post the story in the Pattaya of course. Anything in my post that may interest you, please let me know.
Part 1 was in the massage thread but as I said I went back for the lady billboards always advertises in the FB pics. The Japanese eyed one.
I roll into nana place about 740. Billboards isn't going yet. I hung out on the patio down the way and contemplated looking in twister for the lady I should of got last night but I stuck it out bc I didn't want to miss out on the FB pic girl. Well actually they have 2 that has drove me bonkers for the last 3 months but the Japanese eyed looking one was my #1.
Billboards opened up about 815 and the lady was nowhere to be seen. Really only about 15 girls dancing to start with. 11 on the hot tub side and 4 dancing on other stage. I had one beer and mamasan came around. I tell waitress I want to buy her a drink. Then mamasan brings a sexy bodied lady over and sits her down. Looking closer her teeth are jacked. Oh no! I must get out of this situation. At this point I'd say 40 ladies were in the house but not the 2 I was after. I ended up buying waitress one and a 2nd for mamasan. Mamasan come and sits with me and asks if I want to take lady home. I said no and showed her pic on my phone of the 2 ladies I was interested in. She immediately takes off and says hold on. She went looking for the non Japanese eyed one and came up short. I told her I really wanted the Japanese eyed lady anyways. Again, she takes off. She was shooting over everywhere searching. She comes back and says lady will be right here. I had already looked at every lady in sight. She wasn't there. So I had my doubts. Out of nowhere here she comes.
I barfined her and really considering my experience with stunners I wasn't expecting much but was actually quite surprised. She wanted to do nana short time room but I insisted on going back to my room. It was only a few blocks down the road. We jumped in a taxi and made it painless. I don't speak thai but I've tried to learn for the past year and could tell taxi driver and her was talking shhh in some way. They were laughing away and I saw this as a bad sign.
Once we were in the room and showered she allowed some DATY to warm her up. Was a little hairy but I soldiered through it. She actually gave a decent BBBJ. Shocker! We then started a aerobics course. Overall mediocre performance on her part but it wasn't as bad as I was expecting. I know 10's don't exist around here but that girl is a 9. 9 on looks alone in my opinion. All natural from what I could tell. Not good at telling nose jobs so that could be one exception.
Overall, I'd certainly repeat. I mean wow! Sexy as hell! My only regret was not leaving the lights on and having those sexy eyes stare up at me during BBBJ. Maybe having her sexy ass voice talking during aerobics would of been a great idea. Pure sexy!
Off to Jakarta tomorrow for 6 days
Lucky Nuts
01-03-19, 22:38
After a two year hiatus I arrived BKK tonight about midnight. Nice to be back in the real "land of the free". I didn't have real high hope since I arrived the scene about 2 AM. But there was one smokin' hot girl I'd like to know if any seniors can provide info. She's at the bar with the sign "100% Girls Only" or something like that hanging over the door upstairs at Nana Plaza. I'm constantly bobbing in and out of these places and don't really pay much attention to the names of the bars. Might have been Billboard. For my taste the girl is a 9 out of 10 and I'm a pretty fussy MF. Her number is 152. I stared at her the entire set and although she smiled she would not come over when the drink lady asked her. Obviously I'm lacking MP game. Or youth. Or ethnicity. It certainly isn't money because I just wanted to buy her a drink and meet her tonight. OK LOL admittedly I probably would have found the money if she was friendly and interested. I asked mama if she goes with American man mama said yes she goes with all man. Anyone know this girl? I came home empty tonight but I'll be well rested tomorrow. I'm going to try her again. Just FYI I'm the guy that will take a 9 body lame performer over a 7 PSE performer. That's what works for me!
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