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The best place to bareback girls in Bangcock? I will be in Thailand next week. I am now mongering in Colombia.Your hotel room? There is no best place for this. Just try to find girls in agogo's, in the streets or online who are willing to bareback. And read EihTooms' reports for example.
Crocodilexp
06-05-19, 11:14
In the old days 1990's, the girls usually did all night bookings, and seemed to be in it for the sex as well as the money. They could be quite passionate, they could refuse guys that did not appeal to them.Back in the day, the end-game for many (most) girls was getting married to a Farang, and they were also hoping to snag one or several long-term boyfriends who'd come a few times a year, and perhaps occasionally send money too. If you had a bit of chemistry with a girl, the session would often be more like a date, but with guaranteed sex. These days in Thailand it's mostly just helping you blow your load, as it is almost everywhere else in the world.
Current crop of girls is mostly not even interested in long time, let alone more extensive arrangements, and given most of them are bottom of the barrel, most punters aren't that interested in the latter either.
Back in the day, the end-game for many (most) girls was getting married to a Farang, and they were also hoping to snag one or several long-term boyfriends who'd come a few times a year, and perhaps occasionally send money too. If you had a bit of chemistry with a girl, the session would often be more like a date, but with guaranteed sex.I worked for extended periods in Bkk during the late 80's and met lots of Thai women, many of whom were professionals with real jobs.
I have to say (in terms of Crocexp's comment reported above), that this group of Thai women were almost never interested in marriage with a farang UNLESS he planned to stay in Thailand. Relationships with farangs were welcomed and sought after as long as they could stay in Thailand. They didn't even wish to travel anywhere else.
The answer when asked "Why" was always "because me Thai".
That was all the logic needed.
In BKK I don't want BBFS pse from a WG that gives that to everyone, that's a huge problem with AC everyone is getting BBFS, so I'm not able to enjoy DFK or DATY, even if I'm really turned on by her!
I prefer a WG that will take some coaxing in some manner, not to mention, I like to feel like she's treating me better than others LOL.
Not just a cum dumpster, for every monger in Asia, but yes they can lie, but I think I'm pretty good at guessing.
If she does this with every cock every session or not, I like to think intuition comes with experience.
As opposed to self-delusion!It's their business to be able to read you and ascertain what you want and need. Most are quite good at it even if they seem out to lunch about so much.
I'd say you have just as much chance of contracting something here as you do in AC. Part of the game.
It's an illusion so don't delude yourself. But as illusions go, it's one of the best.
Back in the day, the end-game for many (most) girls was getting married to a Farang, and they were also hoping to snag one or several long-term boyfriends who'd come a few times a year, and perhaps occasionally send money too. If you had a bit of chemistry with a girl, the session would often be more like a date, but with guaranteed sex. These days in Thailand it's mostly just helping you blow your load, as it is almost everywhere else in the world.
Current crop of girls is mostly not even interested in long time, let alone more extensive arrangements, and given most of them are bottom of the barrel, most punters aren't that interested in the latter either.Spot on. Gals expectations have developed along with the economy. 20 years ago most Thai gals thought they were ugly. Not true. Now many think they are the best looking things on earth. Also not true.
Crocodilexp
06-05-19, 17:04
I worked for extended periods in Bkk during the late 80's and met lots of Thai women, many of whom were professionals with real jobs.
I have to say (in terms of Crocexp's comment reported above), that this group of Thai women were almost never interested in marriage with a farang UNLESS he planned to stay in Thailand. Relationships with farangs were welcomed and sought after as long as they could stay in Thailand. They didn't even wish to travel anywhere else. That's true. Even today, most Thais of all social classes strongly prefer to stay in Thailand, although many don't mind going abroad for a holiday these days.
However, in the past, most women from lower classes of society would accept moving abroad as part-and-parcel of social and economic advancement that marriage to a (relatively) wealthy Farang would bring to her and the entire family. They would prefer if he stayed in Thailand and bought them a house of course. Or even better, just bought the house and sent money without staying.
This is in stark contrast with the Filipinas who's jump at a chance to live abroad, preferably permanently.
Crocodilexp
06-05-19, 17:09
Gals expectations have developed along with the economy. 20 years ago most Thai gals thought they were ugly.
So true. I still remember rather good looking 26 year olds complaining they're old women, and ugly to boot. Now the hookers pushing 40 (who tell punters they're 29) think they're the hottest thing ever. Part of it is the economy, but demographics are also a huge factor.
In any case, a Farang expat or tourist marrying a working girl used to be common in the past (I almost ended up doing that), but with the current crop of hookers, one would have to be truly delusional to even contemplate the possibility.
Are they never mad at you? Because by taking a girl outside she might get the impression that you've already decided to take her home. Or do you only say 'let's go outside to discuss things in private', or something like that, without agreeing to anything yet in the bar?Oh, definitely the latter. Glad you asked so I could clarify. I treat it the same as suggesting a move to a quieter section of the room or as in the move I mentioned when a girl wants me to sit in a booth or at a table to discuss terms. I usually see 1-2 other couples out there apparently doing the same thing.
I do what I can to avoid making her think I have immediately decided to take her and "Let's go!"
I am not saying some girls have not misunderstood it to mean otherwise. I can't say for sure. But it has never been a problem for both of us to walk right back inside to carry on if the deal has not been struck outside.
FarangPunter
06-05-19, 19:07
That's true. Even today, most Thais of all social classes strongly prefer to stay in Thailand, although many don't mind going abroad for a holiday these days.
However, in the past, most women from lower classes of society would accept moving abroad as part-and-parcel of social and economic advancement that marriage to a (relatively) wealthy Farang would bring to her and the entire family. They would prefer if he stayed in Thailand and bought them a house of course. Or even better, just bought the house and sent money without staying.
This is in stark contrast with the Filipinas who's jump at a chance to live abroad, preferably permanently.The Philippines was a US colony up until 1946. The US influence in the Philippines still remain strong, especially because a lot of healthcare workers comes from the Philippines. It embedded in the cultural fabric. Where compare to Thailand which claims to never been colonized by a western power but they did yield to the Japanese Army during world war 2. Around Thailand you can see that Thai-Japanese relations are pretty strong. I would guess that Thai would more likely move to Japan vs other western nation.
Very interesting story this. I just think you made it too complicated. I am sure you know that most of these bar girls are simple farm girls from Isaan. Some are very clever, but they simply do not like complicated customers. Why do you think Koreans are so popular? I have asked this questions to bargirls many times and their reply. Apart from the easy-money / pay better / come in 1 minute aspect, it is always the same; falangs are complicated and ask too many questions. Koreans just smile and are happy and easy-going. They do not ask questions about their personal life or make complicated suggestions like the one you suggested. I am sure you know this and I am sure that you just wanted to play games with the girls this evening, but the story is a brilliant example of what many falang seems to miss; do not make it complicated. Smile, be happy, joke with her. Do not enter into questions on political issues, Thai mentality, her personal life etc. If she is not willing to lower the price, just walk away and try the next one. On a side note; I have a friend that visited Bangkok for the first time last year (he is over 50 years). He love to talk politics with everybody. So he started that also with go-go bargirls in Bangkok. After some time I had to tell him to stop. He just wasted his time. The girls are not interested, in general they have no idea of what is going on outside Thailand, and they could not care a rats-ass about politics or your opinion. So in the end he gave up.Yes, it was really more of a fun test (game?) than anything else; how little could I ask of an already aggressively lobbying P4P girl upfront in order to avoid any discussion or mention of condoms initiated by her and severe push back for not agreeing to her initial asking price. Well, at least she did not demand or even mention a condom for the DATY. Lol. However, I did get push back so severe on my money offer no midway counter offer was even considered. LOL.
In this case, I suppose the only thing that might have been asking less of her would have been if I'd said I would give her 2,000 baht to just sit in the taxi outside while I went inside my room alone for 15 minutes. To which she and the mamasan presumably would have said in unison, "All the girls here get 3,000 baht for Short Time!"
I don't know. Is that taxi arrangement a well known fetish for which bargirls are prepared in a nanosecond to jack up the price and stick to it as well?
One thing I learned from this little test was neither this girl nor either of the two mamasans in Butterflies who descended on me when it looked like I might pay a barfine are familiar with customers asking for anything in particular in the room and are only familiar with them negotiating price. Which is what I fear it has come to these days anyway.
Despite the oft repeated advice about telling the girl or the mamasan what you want beforehand, they've heard it all, etc., etc., I think the truth is these girls and mamasans almost never hear anything from the cusomer regarding what he expects of her for the money he is going to give her. They are totally confused about what to do or say about it when that happens. Which I think is similar to your point as well.
Gin And Tonic
06-05-19, 21:37
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7107019/Thailand-PM-inspired-Bourton-Water-swap-prostitutes-flowers.html
I generally stick around lower Suk while in Bangkok. Any opinions on where specifically the working girls are that the Junta Gen specks of?
The Philippines was a US colony up until 1946. The US influence in the Philippines still remain strong, especially because a lot of healthcare workers comes from the Philippines. It embedded in the cultural fabric. Where compare to Thailand which claims to never been colonized by a western power but they did yield to the Japanese Army during world war 2. Around Thailand you can see that Thai-Japanese relations are pretty strong. I would guess that Thai would more likely move to Japan vs other western nation.Quite true. At least a couple of Thai girls have told me if there is rebirth they would prefer to born in Japan. It would have been a good follow up to ask as a woman or man (if that is permissible in the after worlds and what naught) but really I just keep it simple when in LOS seeking my next drink and / or the next super lay.
Deja Vu, Kiss, Midnite, Rio, Sahara, Rawhide, and Spice Girls are owned by a guy known as the Arab. He's actually Iranian. All of his bars are known ripoffs. Avoid all of them.A friend of mine went into Sahara last night and was assaulted by one of the bouncers. He was with 2 other friends. They were handed a bill of 8000 baht for 3 drinks total. They say its bullshit, and they then lower the price to 4000. They still say it's not correct, the bouncer then proceeds to punch my friend in the face around 10 times in front of a police officer. He doesn't retaliate, and still tells them the price isn't correct while profusely bleeding from his brow. So they let them leave without paying anything. The price ended up being 20 stitches at the hospital.
I wasn't there to see it happen, and I'm only telling a summarized version 2nd hand. But it does show that there are still potentially dangerous situations and scammy practices going on in some go go bars. Even a simple search shows that place should be avoided along with all the other Arab owned bars in Soi Cowboy. I've never had an experience like this, but the lesson I would take away from my friend's story is that doing a bit of due diligence on websites like this helps quite a bit with avoiding shit situations like that.
Despite the oft repeated advice about telling the girl or the mamasan what you want beforehand, they've heard it all, etc., etc., I think the truth is these girls and mamasans almost never hear anything from the cusomer regarding what he expects of her for the money he is going to give her. They are totally confused about what to do or say about it when that happens. Which I think is similar to your point as well.My main advice is to avoid the interfering mamasans at all costs if possible. I don't give a shit what they heard before and what they did not. They are going to adversely affect any attempted negotiation. The girl may agree to a lower price, in "private", unless a hell of a lot of guys on here quoting they got a lower price, are liars.
Truly I have had plenty of girls with no price negotiation at all. Easier for me, since I and not looking for special requirements, in terms of what we will do on a bed. Just want a girl that can relax and enjoy herself. Perhaps that is a tall order these days. So I ask questions to get information about the style of girl these days. That is not a negotiation at all.
I have found a girl that will go all night, and never had a price negotiation with her, even once. I need BB since pussy is a bit too tight. Maybe a bit too brown skinned for some guys on here, and tits too small for smoothy, but rest of body is good enough and face cute for me. Girls with attitudes like the old days still exist (just hard to find). I don't recall now if a mamasan was ever involved. Mamasans approach, but I am largely ignoring them, certainly not discussing taking a girl. I just hand BFs to the girl and she can go see the mamasan herself. No one method is going to feel right for everyone, I am sure. However the thing I need most, a certain girl attitude, cannot be negotiated.
As ET has mentioned, we can promise a bonus for the girl if she extra good, or extra "GFE". I don't believe we should have to pay the same price to every girl regardless of her quality and her attitude.
One possible remedy I was and am considering. Find a reasonably good looking girl on Soi 4 for a bargain basement base price. Then promise her various bonuses depending on just how good she can make the session. I certainly had girls that did not want to give much, but then I had not offered the bonuses. Lucky I found Naam, tall and well above average looks (small tits) that does not cut the time and gives full on tongue kissing etc. She is not at all adverse to a good bonus. Fun girl. A good session is guaranteed. No risk. Actually the best girl I had from Soi 4, ever, and that is over many years. Still would like to try the stunning deaf girl, if get a chance, with bonuses offered.
CzarNicholas
06-06-19, 06:05
It's their business to be able to read you and ascertain what you want and need. Most are quite good at it even if they seem out to lunch about so much.
I'd say you have just as much chance of contracting something here as you do in AC. Part of the game.
It's an illusion so don't delude yourself. But as illusions go, it's one of the best.The truth is the truth.
Please elucidate the situation for me.
I have never used a condom in Asia.
60+ days in BKK and almost 120 in AC.
With some sessions include anal.
And have not contracted anything yet, probably close to 200 sessions?
But I have heard the law of averages is a [Deleted by Admin].
Deja Vu, Kiss, Midnite, Rio, Sahara, Rawhide, and Spice Girls are owned by a guy known as the Arab. He's actually Iranian. All of his bars are known ripoffs. Avoid all of them.I think he also owns that Cowboy 2 bar.
Franciscass
06-06-19, 06:15
I feel whether Thai women will relocate abroad depends on circumstances.
If professional and educated, from a middle income up socioeconomic background, they are less likely for sure. However if its true love and he's close in age, seriously financially secure and accepted by her family it's more than possible.
Girls on low incomes with little prospects of improving their circumstances are much more likely to move abroad especially if their partner is also willing to take care of her family or promises her an work opportunity to do her herself. Here his circumstances I. E. His age appearance and her feelings for him are less important but also play a part I. E. Is he a true Farang Jai Dee.
The smarter more experienced working girls seeking higher earnings are increasingly working abroad for limited periods most likely in Korea and Malaysia although they can be found almost anywhere. This is often cited as a reason for the declining quality of local talent.
All that said it is commonly accepted that Thai's unlike say Filipinos are among the least mobile people on the planet.
CzarNicholas
06-06-19, 06:34
Very interesting story this. I just think you made it too complicated. I am sure you know that most of these bar girls are simple farm girls from Isaan. Some are very clever, but they simply do not like complicated customers. Why do you think Koreans are so popular? I have asked this questions to bargirls many times and their reply. Apart from the easy-money / pay better / come in 1 minute aspect, it is always the same; falangs are complicated and ask too many questions. Koreans just smile and are happy and easy-going. They do not ask questions about their personal life or make complicated suggestions like the one you suggested. I am sure you know this and I am sure that you just wanted to play games with the girls this evening, but the story is a brilliant example of what many falang seems to miss; do not make it complicated. Smile, be happy, joke with her. Do not enter into questions on political issues, Thai mentality, her personal life etc. If she is not willing to lower the price, just walk away and try the next one. On a side note; I have a friend that visited Bangkok for the first time last year (he is over 50 years)..I'm a 51 yo white guy.
I got a couple free bargirls without even buying them a drink in a couple Korean bars in AC on my recent trip (this one was from dragon bar).
So I'm laying in bed with one after we finish, and we are chatting a bit I ask her if she likes white guys or Koreans more.
She says Koreans, I ask why?
She says easy customers (most don't even speak English).
In ac most white guys speak English and want to pre-negotiate every detail and if they don't get everything we agreed to.
They will be yelling in the room and will probably come back to the bar to yell more.
Not the Koreans.
The prices are pre set.
They accept whatever is given, period!
There is never a debate or argument.
She says every girl in her bar is the same way.
They go for easy money.
This is how desperate duan destroys mongering.
Pays any price for any service.
I've been in almost every bar in ac in 120 nights.
99% are not worth the pre-set BF and girls fee, plus drinks.
Plus / plus / plus.
So they are getting overpaid by him and they can give him as little as they want.
Just run out the clock and make sure he cums somehow.
I was talking to a mamasan in dragon one day LOL.
She wanted me to fuck her LOL.
She was telling me she's also an interpreter for the bar.
She speaks Japanese.
I asked you get many Japanese customers? She said no, but we advertise to them.
And we get a few, and we need someone that can at least tell them the price.
So its obvious how desperate duan operates.
Its quite deliberate, ask for as little as possible, pay more than everyone else.
Take them for a massage and dinner, buy them roses, and don't forget to tip them well LMAO.
My main advice is to avoid the interfering mamasans at all costs if possible. I don't give a shit what they heard before and what they did not. They are going to adversely affect any attempted negotiation. The girl may agree to a lower price, in "private", unless a hell of a lot of guys on here quoting they got a lower price, are liars.One possibility I did not mention and waited to see if anyone else has gotten the same immovable, repeated "All girls here get 3,000 baht for ST" mantra from Butterflies girls and mamasans lately is if the girls are being extorted for as much as a 1,000 baht per ST kickback to the mamasans. Sure, maybe the girl just loathed the thought of me licking her pussy for a while so much even 2,000-2,500 baht was not nearly enough payment for her to subject herself to it.
But the thought did cross my mind during the mamasan interference and neither's willingness to budge even an inch to make at least some decent money for doing nothing requiring much effort that somebody is protecting the top asking price of somebody else a little too passionately here. So passionately that they are willing to see a relatively easy 2,000 baht walk away without even making a 2,500 baht split the difference counter offer. Just a thought.
Still would like to try the stunning deaf girl, if get a chance, with bonuses offered.Several nights ago I saw another blondish double hair braided/pony-tail deaf girl standing near the first letter N side of the Nana Hotel sign. She was not the very hottest one I last saw there a couple of months ago. This one was skinnier, but still cute. As the copy-cat blondish double hair braided/pony-tail deaf girls go, she was imo the cutest of the copy-cats. There must be a half dozen girls at or near that Nana Hotel sign sporting that same look now.
Some here may remember the first great Dr. BJ's Salon super star, EE, who stopped working a few years ago. As far as I know, she was the first BJ bargirl to break with expectations and wear very large black horn rimmed glasses. She was sexier, better looking and more skilled than most at her job. The glasses did not detract much and she would remove them on request during the deed. They became her trade mark. Soon enough, MANY other BJ bargirls at that bar and other such bars began to show up wearing very large black horn rimmed glasses. LOL. Apparently, they were hoping to catch customers sent there by word-of-mouth (pun intended) to "choose the one with very large black horn rimmed glasses."
The same copy-cat thing seems to be happening with that blondish double hair braided/pony-tail look for many of the deaf girls in front of the Nana Hotel sign.
Anyway, I did not want to negotiate right there on the spot but got this one's Line info, which she was happy to give without hesitation. However, a closer look at her Line account left me with some confusion in that, although the girl in the profile photo looked generally like the one I'd just met in terms of size, skinniness and skin color, her hair and style was completely different, which is easy to happen, and she did not look nearly as cute in her pics as she did in the flesh. Of course, the latter does happen, too. But this was so stark I actually doubt it is the same girl. LOL. Some kind of switcheroo? Maybe.
As far as her (or whoever's) willingness to agree to my requirements of either a BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP (I did not say it that way, of course), the answer to BBFS+CIP was no, definitely no and no again, "1,500 for sex. Must use condom." The BBBJ+CIM part has not really been answered yet. I say yet because, much to my surprise, she did not block me after saying no, definitely no and no again to my general requirements and has continued off and on to send me little "Hi" messages every now and then as though she did not want to close the door entirely on what I was offering with a bonus. btw, I had also mentioned my vasectomy and recent normal blood check document. Maybe those are additional reasons she has not completely closed the door on agreeing to have a ST my way just yet.
First day in BKK and went for what I was having in mind a short stroll in Soi Cowboy. I wasn't expecting that much after reading the posts here about the go-go scene's especially in SC but it wasn't that bad after all. Did only 3 bars from about 09:30 pm until 3:00 am.
In fact I'm surprised to realize now and see how long I have been staying around there but I think it proves at least for me that I didn't had a bad time. First bar I went into was Dollhouse. It was quite busy but still some seats available. I think that most girls I've seen on stage were between 25 and 30 year old. Bodies were OK, mostly slim girls and I don't think I have seen silicones. I would give it an overall score of 6. 5 in regards to looks.
There was a girl I believe she was number 77 that I laid my eyes on. Actually she locked her eyes on me instead. I was attracted by her great smile. Funny to realize that the nonsense non-verbal interaction can give you a great feeling, haha. I was wondering that she would come over after her dance shift but she didn't and eventually I went off to the next bar, Kazy Kozy.
I can be short about that bar. Girls looked rather horrendous. Little to saggy tits and bodies without much curves. There were barely customers and the show didn't made it any better. I can't understand that such shows are of great value to attract customers. There were only a few and most of them were Asians (I was sitting on the ground level as upstairs the papasan told me it's empty). As for me it works the opposite to watch such shows especially when there was nothing else worthwhile to watch or talk to. I didn't spend longer than 30 minutes just to find out that the next shift would be of better quality. Perhaps I should go earlier next time as I know that 10 pm is quite late. It might as well be that many of them have been bar fined as there weren't that many girls on stage.
Went to Shark and the place was quite full with many girls on stage. Quality of girls was OK. Perhaps here the girls are also going into their thirties. Nothing really worth mentioning but it wasn't bad either knowing how late it was (perhaps around 11:00).
I ended up in Dollhouse again and number 77 was still around. Eventually she came and sit down with me and we had good fun. Even though she doesn't tick off many boxes in regards to my physical preferences I just liked her character and style. Her name is Mai, 25 yo I believe she was and speaks reasonable English. Has two children but I believe that I was too drunk to find out that she has any damage. She's not slim but I would not define her as being fat either. Again, she was good fun for me and she's a good kisser. I considered her to bring her with me to my hotel but then I understood that she has to bring her kid to school quite early. I might do ST with her in case I go into SC again. Perhaps I'll be going to Nana tonight and see what's available over there.
One possibility I did not mention and waited to see if anyone else has gotten the same immovable, repeated "All girls here get 3,000 baht for ST" mantra from Butterflies girls and mamasans lately is if the girls are being extorted for as much as a 1,000 baht per ST kickback to the mamasans. Sure, maybe the girl just loathed the thought of me licking her pussy for a while so much even 2,000-2,500 baht was not nearly enough payment for her to subject herself to it.
I am sure girls get to tip the mamasan, but 1000 kick back seems excessive. Still if the mamasan is critical to getting deal done or bringing the girl over, you never know. I don't allow mamasans to introduce a girl of her selection. I always tell them I will chose by myself. If we do accept, then kickbacks will be highly encouraged and only some girls maybe paying the kickbacks (probably bad girls).
I can probably research this topic further with bar Service staff girl I have known for 5 years. She is likely to tell me the truth, quietly if others not overhearing. Even the barfined girls will sometimes be open enough to say what mamasans they like and hate, and if any kickbacks get paid. Not all bar girls are habitual liars with all customers. Girls tend to know they can be straight up with me. I don't need any sweet talk bullshit. It is much more relaxing for a girl when she does not have to make stories and try to remember to be consistent. I also minimise asking of difficult questions. It is much easier for girls to just omit embarrassing information, rather than tell actual lies. That is what my GF does. She just clams up if does not want to answer. Only caught her on a lie once or twice. She can have a distorted view of reality though. That is different.
Soapy girls pay kickbacks to the Cheer-persons in order to be recommended. This means the cheer person can be recommending a totally shit girl just to get the kickback. They recommend girls in their "stable". That is why I never trust advice unless I know the person is reliable. I don't like tipping much in advance, until advice has proved to be brilliant (that is going to be quite rare), but will tip those I use who have provided reliable special info generally.
FarangPunter
06-06-19, 09:09
Deja Vu, Kiss, Midnite, Rio, Sahara, Rawhide, and Spice Girls are owned by a guy known as the Arab. He's actually Iranian. All of his bars are known ripoffs. Avoid all of them.I was sitting outside Baccara. Just eye fucking the girls from Rio. They have some really good lookers standing in the front. Sucks, there needs to be a go-go-bar wall of shame.
GinAndTonic555
06-06-19, 12:56
I think he also owns that Cowboy 2 bar.I don't think cowboy 2 is owned by him. I know I've been there many times over the years and never been ripped off outside of the fact that the hottest girls have like 3 k barfines are something absurd like that.
GinAndTonic555
06-06-19, 13:00
One possibility I did not mention and waited to see if anyone else has gotten the same immovable, repeated "All girls here get 3,000 baht for ST" mantra from Butterflies girls and mamasans lately is if the girls are being extorted for as much as a 1,000 baht per ST kickback to the mamasans. Sure, maybe the girl just loathed the thought of me licking her pussy for a while so much even 2,000-2,500 baht was not nearly enough payment for her to subject herself to it..I took a girl from here a few months ago. The mama came over with some cardboard showing the price on it of 3 k ST and being annoying. I sent her away and was deciding if I was going to take the girl. I didn't try to talk the price down from 3 k to see as I don't really care much about the money. I ended up paying 3 k for her.
I wouldn't be surprised if the mama is trying to make that like the standard price there and that's why she's insisting on it. I couldn't imagine the hot girls would put up with being extorted for extra money as they can work at any gogo they like.
One possibility I did not mention and waited to see if anyone else has gotten the same immovable, repeated "All girls here get 3,000 baht for ST" mantra from Butterflies girls and mamasans lately is if the girls are being extorted for as much as a 1,000 baht per ST kickback to the mamasans. Sure, maybe the girl just loathed the thought of me licking her pussy for a while so much even 2,000-2,500 baht was not nearly enough payment for her to subject herself to it. Some of those girls are like that. They want 3000 whether you fuck them straightways, sideways, upside down, or just talk with them in the room. I wouldn't take it personally.
A friend of mine went into Sahara last night and was assaulted by one of the bouncers. He was with 2 other friends. They were handed a bill of 8000 baht for 3 drinks total. They say its bullshit, and they then lower the price to 4000. They still say it's not correct, the bouncer then proceeds to punch my friend in the face around 10 times in front of a police officer. He doesn't retaliate, and still tells them the price isn't correct while profusely bleeding from his brow.The price ended up being 20 stitches at the hospital.This is like one of those stories I used to hear about Bangkok bars in the early 90's. I'm shocked to hear this type of scamming and thuggery still exists today.
News like this travels fast, however The Iranian bar owner is still in business and minted to the back teeth. Go figure.
Youthagainst
06-06-19, 15:13
I'm a monger just like you guys, I'm British Chinese although there is a lot of bigotry and subconscious racism on here. A lot of talk about Japanese, Korean, or other Asian guys lasting 1 minute or other derogatory remarks. Which is inherent jealousy as far as I can see. Jealousy that the girls are preferring Asian clients over farangs. Many many assumptions that this is even the case and even if it is in certain bars, everyone has a preference. It's only human nature.
I have been to Bangkok around 6 times in the past year for both business and pleasure and perhaps only had takeout twice, while I have dated civilians and had a lot of luck and perhaps have slept with around 20 or so, totally for free and after the date. Some of these are not Thai civilians but also expats, a Russian girl, a black British lady. And I can assure you I don't last 5 minutes but I do not make any deogratory remarks about any other race and I think its poor form to do so.
Some of those girls are like that. They want 3000 whether you fuck them straightways, sideways, upside down, or just talk with them in the room. I wouldn't take it personally.Of course, I suspect almost every punter in the world knows all that. The question I had was more about the girl and the two mamasans at Butterflies insisting in unison that "ALL the girls here get 3,000 baht for ST," as though it was really some new serious blanket policy that no girl dare violate, not even by so much as 500 baht. The last girl I barfined from there was 2-3 weeks ago, much better looking than the one in question here and I got an upfront honest agreement for BBFS+CIP with her fee at 2,500 baht.
But have to say, I have not seen her around the last couple of times I have been in there. lol. So maybe she has been banished from the premises for breaking the rules in all kinds of ways.
In any case, a Farang expat or tourist marrying a working girl used to be common in the past (I almost ended up doing that), but with the current crop of hookers, one would have to be truly delusional to even contemplate the possibility.That was delusional even back then. Once that working girl gets old, she becomes a financial responsibility at that point. Always felt the girl who spoke the same language, can support herself, educated, and attractive was the better catch than the overseas working girl who is attractive but offered nothing else.
A friend of mine went into Sahara last night and was assaulted by one of the bouncers. He was with 2 other friends. They were handed a bill of 8000 baht for 3 drinks total. They say its bullshit, and they then lower the price to 4000. They still say it's not correct, the bouncer then proceeds to punch my friend in the face around 10 times in front of a police officer. He doesn't retaliate, and still tells them the price isn't correct while profusely bleeding from his brow. So they let them leave without paying anything. The price ended up being 20 stitches at the hospital.
I wasn't there to see it happen, and I'm only telling a summarized version 2nd hand. But it does show that there are still potentially dangerous situations and scammy practices going on in some go go bars. Even a simple search shows that place should be avoided along with all the other Arab owned bars in Soi Cowboy. I've never had an experience like this, but the lesson I would take away from my friend's story is that doing a bit of due diligence on websites like this helps quite a bit with avoiding shit situations like that.Can't imagine a bouncer punching a customer in the face in the bar is good for business as that is a big scene to cause. Avoid the Arab bars. The bill padding is obnoxious and just plain wrong.
But have to say, I have not seen her around the last couple of times I have been in there. lol. So maybe she has been banished from the premises for breaking the rules in all kinds of ways.You just met her Monday and it's Thursday but you haven't seen her the last couple of times you went there? So you go there every night? I'm going to have to check that place out.
I think he also owns that Cowboy 2 bar.Cannot confirm nor deny other than to say didn't experience bill padding there a little over a month ago.
A lot of talk about Japanese, Korean, or other Asian guys lasting 1 minute or other derogatory remarks. It's not us, it's the girls. They say 3-3-3 when referring to asian guys. That means 3 inches for 3 seconds for 3000 baht. It's just a funny thing they say.
I don't think cowboy 2 is owned by him. I know I've been there many times over the years and never been ripped off outside of the fact that the hottest girls have like 3 k barfines are something absurd like that.I was in there once and they tried to charge me for 10 tequilas when I had only bought one diet coke. I had to argue with them for an hour before they let me leave.
I took a girl from here a few months ago. The mama came over with some cardboard showing the price on it of 3 k ST and being annoying. I sent her away and was deciding if I was going to take the girl. I didn't try to talk the price down from 3 k to see as I don't really care much about the money. I ended up paying 3 k for her.
I wouldn't be surprised if the mama is trying to make that like the standard price there and that's why she's insisting on it. I couldn't imagine the hot girls would put up with being extorted for extra money as they can work at any gogo they like.3 K is the ST price for both Butterflies and Billboard, same owner. Geisha on the same floor is the same price. Have understood all 3 to have 700 BF with Geisha having a 1000 BF for BGs with big tits. After EihToom's last TR though, it seems BFs may be 1000 now.
CzarNicholas
06-06-19, 21:21
I'm a monger just like you guys, I'm British Chinese although there is a lot of bigotry and subconscious racism on here. A lot of talk about Japanese, Korean, or other Asian guys lasting 1 minute or other derogatory remarks. Which is inherent jealousy as far as I can see. Jealousy that the girls are preferring Asian clients over farangs. Many many assumptions that this is even the case and even if it is in certain bars, everyone has a preference. It's only human nature.
I have been to Bangkok around 6 times in the past year for both business and pleasure and perhaps only had takeout twice, while I have dated civilians and had a lot of luck and perhaps have slept with around 20 or so, totally for free and after the date. Some of these are not Thai civilians but also expats, a Russian girl, a black British lady. And I can assure you I don't last 5 minutes but I do not make any deogratory remarks about any other race and I think its poor form to do so.Jealousy that the girls are preferring Asian clients over farangs.
You say jealous? Of what? Please elaborate?
BTW its ironic that you're throwing out that meaningless racism word LOL (please cite even one example! I'm guessing you can't,"subconscious"? So you can read minds on the internet? LOL.
Do you know how much overt bias is aimed at white people in just about every non-white country on the planet.
Especially in Asia? I'm guessing you know very well.
Realmenneveroverpay#.
I was in there once and they tried to charge me for 10 tequilas when I had only bought one diet coke. I had to argue with them for an hour before they let me leave.Wow. Bad things only happen to you. LOL.
FarangPunter
06-06-19, 22:52
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You just met her Monday and it's Thursday but you haven't seen her the last couple of times you went there? So you go there every night? I'm going to have to check that place out.No, I was talking about the most recent girl I barfined from Butterflies 2-3 weeks ago for BBFS+CIP at 2,500 baht to her. I have not seen HER the last couple of times I stopped in the place. Actually, I rarely see the girls I barfined from there, never for as much as their initial 3,000 baht asking rate, over the past several months on second or third subsequent visits. Are they soon banished for unforgivable violations of those "ALL girls here" rules? Or maybe always barfined out before I get there because they DO violate the rules? Or some other reason? LOL Don't know.
If you really want to find the one who refused in unison insistence with two aggressive mamasans to accept one baht less than 3,000 baht to allow me to eat her pussy ST and nothing more, I believe her name was Pon, Pan or Pen. Badge number was 4XX, can only vaguely recall it was 400 something.
Look for an utterly average looking girl you might more likely peg as the second girl a more popular girl would take around to customers on the off chance one might buy her a lady drink.
It's not us, it's the girls. They say 3-3-3 when referring to asian guys. That means 3 inches for 3 seconds for 3000 baht. It's just a funny thing they say.Not sure you needed to exaggerate it further. I thought was 3 4 5 K and one of those was minutes rather than seconds.
In general, girls reckon that Japanese fuck like rabbits and cum quick, however generalisation has to be wrong. Some Farangs pop very fast too. Some Japanese can last, especially if they had alcohol and a wank beforehand.
I popped very fast maybe twice in my life. The first one, and another I just can't explain why I only lasted 15 minutes of a 30 min session. The doggy was too much for me. I would love to be like Ron Jeremy and pop any time I want, as long as can pass on having his face and body. I get very few pops actually synchronised with the girl.
I find Japanese porn funny when the guy has a short dick and therefore his stroke has to be so short but usually quick. However they do seem to get to fuck for extended periods in some movies if not too obsessed with the toys. Meanwhile the Farang porn I saw recently was allowing the guy to put just the tip of his dick in her ahole (Lela Starr) and he is supposed to stay hard, also with a very short stoke, so we can see most of his dick. What for? Dicks don't interest me. Maybe her ahole was stuffed with something to prevent the dick going in far.
I start to like StacyQ videos which are merely sensual nudes, not porn, and no men appear in them at all. They typically have girls that match my spec.
Not sure you needed to exaggerate it further. I thought was 3 4 5 K and one of those was minutes rather than seconds.
I always heard it was 5 5 5. Or ha ha ha. Which seems more logical than 3 3 3 or 3 4 5.
But what do I know? I was always 3 5 3.
CzarNicholas
06-07-19, 05:05
I always heard it was 5 5 5. Or ha ha ha. Which seems more logical than 3 3 3 or 3 4 5.
But what do I know? I was always 3 5 3.Told me it was 3 minutes 3 cm for 3000 thb, from back in the 1980's when 3000 thb was much more than it is today.
I always heard it was 5 5 5. Or ha ha ha. Which seems more logical than 3 3 3 or 3 4 5.
But what do I know? I was always 3 5 3.I would say I am normally 3-15-2.5 Three inches for 15 seconds for 2500 baht.
John Clayton
06-07-19, 05:20
I would say I am normally 3-15-2.5 Three inches for 15 seconds for 2500 baht.Would be funny, except they don't know what inches are over there. 3 cm?
I always heard it was 5 5 5. Or ha ha ha. Which seems more logical than 3 3 3 or 3 4 5.
But what do I know? I was always 3 5 3.Strange to see you suddenly pop back up, after missing so long. Did you find any fun Thai venues lately?
5 5 5 (Haa Haa Haa) is the laughing symbol used in Thai chats all the time. So to reuse that would be a bit confusing. Anyway 5 5 5 is too close to normal that makes it not particularly funny. We need to exaggerate somewhat, same as all those Irish jokes.
same as all those Irish jokes.Paddy and Seamus are sitting in a small town bar.
Paddy brags: "You know, I've had every woman in this town.
"Except me mammy, of course!
"Well then," says Seamus. "Between you and I, we've had 'them all!
CzarNicholas
06-07-19, 23:59
3 K is the ST price for both Butterflies and Billboard, same owner. Geisha on the same floor is the same price. Have understood all 3 to have 700 BF with Geisha having a 1000 BF for BGs with big tits. After EihToom's last TR though, it seems BFs may be 1000 now.I have always paid 1000 BF at both sometimes 1500 BF.
Going back to late 2018.
I have always paid 1000 BF at both sometimes 1500 BF.
Going back to late 2018.I think the 700 BF is for short time.
CzarNicholas
06-08-19, 02:26
I think the 700 BF is for short time.I'm quite sure.
CzarNicholas
06-08-19, 02:37
I think the 700 BF is for short time.I asked the jumbo mamasan why? (I forgot the big mamasans name, Melanie? BTW I'm not sure she's still around I didn't see her in butterflies or billboard for some time?
She said she's "special".
So I asked a different mamasan.
She said she's "special".
So I took her, she was exceptionally pretty (her face and body were irresistible) not to mention I only ever watched her go with white guys LOL.
BBFS and she was special.
She was a special.
Last week went to Billboard, around 10-11 pm, not crowded. It was weekday maybe that's why.
Saw a chick, looked 26-28, hot and fare. But around 5 ft 5 in. That's Little too tall threshold I avoid. Anyways, asked for her and she came to me. Voice was normal, face was normal, though her foot was big for a typical girl and showing veins. While she drank her drink, I decided she ain't a lb. BFed her and went to my place.
She went to take shower, I waited. Got the room clear up, christ it was a mess. She came with towel wrapped around, I noticed her clothes on washing machine, all her clothes. Went to kiss her, she responded eagerly. It got hot and intense in few seconds. Pushed her to wall, hold her hands above her head and went full wild with tounge. Interestingly, she used her toungue even better than I did. Learned a few things from her at that moment.
Then took the towel off, pussy was fine and boobs were big and fairly tight. After little more foreplay, went to bed. She pushed me and sat over me. I was still in my shorts. She rubbed my groin by her ass while licking, no eating, my neck. She licked it amazingly, I was almost moaning. Then she went down, kissing all upper body and then seductively kissing everything in my groin excpt dick and balls.
Now I forget to mention, I LT her not ST, so she was in no hurry. Man, she knows how to seduce. The view down below is freaking amazing. She finally kissed my balls and then took the whole thing in her mouth. Within minutes she DT-ing it.
BBBJ skill was ok, as I can feel her teeth but her passion was unmatchable. Now, before I came, I tried to pull. But nope, she was having none of it. No way she was leaving my dick, which was great but I didn't wanted to come at that time. I actually had to wrestle her out LOL.
Then it was my turn to give head. And real fun started.
She was wet as Niagara falls. She was cumming like a canal. While I was licking her, her vaginal fluid kept coming. After 5 minutes she was literally shouting. Her legs were too tight around me. I thought, 2 minutes more and then I will wear the cee. But just after few secs she squirted on my face. I was wearing t shirt and it go so wet, like in rain. She literally shooted it on my face. Now I think about it, she face-fucked me. Awesome.
I went to washroom, washed my mouth. Came back, and my bed in middle was damp. Totally wet. She was surprised too. I didn't have this kind of squriting girl for a long while. After resting, we fucked in all positions, and I comed in cee.
Gave her a 500 tip and took her line ID. She said she's new there, which seems like true as I never saw her before.
WIR?
I have many reasons to see her again, amazing kisser, pure GFE, squirts like a tap, kind of like nympho (she didn't let me sleep at night), and nice to talk to (kindof sweet).
P.S.: anyone knows where I can buy water absorbing sheet or something like this, to put under her?
Pointy Stick
06-09-19, 05:02
It's not us, it's the girls. They say 3-3-3 when referring to asian guys. That means 3 inches for 3 seconds for 3000 baht. It's just a funny thing they say.I wonder what the girls are saying to the Asians about white guys? So fat they can't get get on top. Drink so much they can stay hard let achieve an erection and then pass out. Pay sucker prices. Always want to kiss because they cannot get girlfriend at home. Easy money from stupid farang.
Face it these girls are going to say whatever is required to boost our egos.
CzarNicholas
06-09-19, 05:55
Last week went to Billboard, around 10-11 pm, not crowded. It was weekday maybe that's why.
Saw a chick, looked 26-28, hot and fare. But around 5 ft 5 in. That's Little too tall threshold I avoid. Anyways, asked for her and she came to me. Voice was normal, face was normal, though her foot was big for a typical girl and showing veins. While she drank her drink, I decided she ain't a lb. BFed her and went to my place.
She went to take shower, I waited. Got the room clear up, Christ it was a mess. She came with towel wrapped around, I noticed her clothes on washing machine, all her clothes. Went to kiss her, she responded eagerly. It got hot and intense in few seconds. Pushed her to wall, hold her hands above her head and went full wild with tongue. Interestingly, she used her tongue even better than I did. Learned a few things from her at that moment..I don't know what it is?
I just assume its [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109).
I'm a massive freak but I avoid this.
Simply because I don't know what it is LOL.
I think the comparison is very non apt. I hear that AC is low on surgeries girls, where Baccara specializes in it. I would do Elsa no problem but hardly any Baccara girls. Elsa's nose is not perfect but I think we can overlook that. Is it possible she has a nose job (it does look slightly strange)?Everybody keeps using.the term AC. What does AC mean?
Member #4698
06-10-19, 00:24
On the average, girls there in AC are less attractive (in my opinion). I think Baccara by itself has more hot girls than all of AC.
On your 1st point: I agree and that's because Thai girls on average are more attractive than Filipinas (in my opinion). But let's be careful about using averages. Saying what you and I just said does not imply that there are not beautiful girls in the PI. There are! And it also does not imply that you might not find a more beautiful girl in a Burgos Street or Fields Ave bar than in Baccara or Soi Cowboy on any given night. You very well might. Averages (the mean) can be deceiving because in reality it is all about the top 5 to 10 percent or what is going on in the right-hand tail of the distribution statistically speaking.
On your 2nd point: I have to disagree even though I know you were exaggerating to make your case which I kind of agree with.
1) I did not see ANY really good-looking girls in Baccara Cowboy in all of April/May 2019. Not one! Back in October 2018 I saw 5 or 6 hotties there and barfined the cutest of them 3 times. Now your taste and mine may differ. I like thin upper arm, thin thigh, natural ta ta, clean cut, sexy girls, but I believe that the quality has significantly declined recently in Baccara and I don't know why.
2) Even if there were 10 really hot girls in Baccara and I assure you there are not, but if there were, I can point out at least 9 or 10 AC (Angeles City) bars out of 30 to 40 bars on the strip that have at least 1 or 2 residing hotties in each. It may feel like there is more talent in Baccara if it were still good or in a couple of bars in Nana because of the higher concentration, but I assure you that even Baccara circa 2010 or 2012 did not have as many hot girls as in all of AC then or now. It is not mathematically possible! IMHO. 555.
I will add that I am not an AC fan. That I prefer Manila over AC by a wide margin any day of the week despite the fact that Manila girls on average are twice as expensive as AC girls because I find Manila girls are more worldly, wilder, and completely unrestrained sexually speaking in addition to IMHO that they are better looking (ON AVERAGE) than AC girls. Ha Ha. And I will state further, having just been to both BKK and Manila in the last 2 weeks, that the girls in Plan B and Kojax, my 2 favorite Burgos St Go Go's stack up very nicely to the girls in any bar in BKK. Better than the talent level in Baccara currently by a wide margin for sure, competitive with the talent level in RB2, and perhaps a little less smokin' hot in quantity anyway than the number of hot girls in KC1 or Billboard, IMHO, the two best Go Go's in BKK at the present time.
But here is the thing: Thai girls and Filipinas are so radically different culturally, in personality, and sexually in bed that you really can't compare the two. It's like comparing Mangos and Papayas. Both are tasty fruits and even though you may prefer one over the other, they both are flavorful and full of vitamin C, so both are good for you. Thus all I got to say is viva la difference!
Engine Driver
06-10-19, 00:36
Everybody keeps using.the term AC. What does AC mean?Air conditioning, alternating current.
Angeles City, Philippines.
Engine Driver
06-10-19, 00:43
I think the comparison is very non apt. I hear that AC is low on surgeries girls, where Baccara specializes in it. I would do Elsa no problem but hardly any Baccara girls. Elsa's nose is not perfect but I think we can overlook that. Is it possible she has a nose job (it does look slightly strange)?The girls in AC are just fresh from the farm. They are unsophisticated. They are also dirt poor, so there is no chance they would have had any surgery. Most only last a few weeks or months before they return home.
There are some who get sponsored by a Korean or Jap and will hang around AC for longer. The most common cosmetic procedure when an AC girl gets money is teeth straightening.
CzarNicholas
06-10-19, 00:56
On your 1st point: I agree and that's because Thai girls on average are more attractive than Filipinas (in my opinion). But let's be careful about using averages. Saying what I just said does not imply that there are not beautiful girls in the PI. There are! And it also does not imply that you might not find a more beautiful girl in a Burgos Street or Fields Ave bar than in Baccara or Soi Cowboy on any given night. You very well might. Averages (the mean) can be deceiving because in reality it is all about the top 5 to 10 percent or what is going on in the right-hand tail of the distribution statistically speaking.
On your 2nd point: I have to disagree even though I know you were exaggerating to make your case which I kind of agree with.
1) I did not see ANY really good-looking girls in Baccara Cowboy in all of April/May 2019. Not one! Back in October 2018 I saw 5 or 6 hotties there. Now your taste and mine may differ, I like thin upper arm, thin thigh, natural ta ta, clean cut, sexy girls, but I believe that the quality has significantly declined recently in Baccara and I don't know why..I don't think those in Manila are any better than AC bar girls, BTW I don't like either, BKK kills manila / ac bars all day long, I was recently in Kojak plan be bottoms et al, I was in and out of most Burgos bars on a Saturday night, I didn't see anything I wanted, I will say if you compare women in the malls of bkk, and they have so many bad ass malls, to the women in sm Clark, non hooker Filipinas are very very pretty, my theory is pretty Filipinas get normal bfs with jobs and get married.
I'm guessing the hookers in the Philippines are bottom of the barrel, the slum dwellers.
Those without better options.
Of course I'm generalizing, I'm sure there are a few outliers here and there.
I just spent 60 nights in BKK and went to ac for 120 nights, 180 consecutive nights total.
IMHO I would say the best manila / ac bars would have a very hard time competing with the most avg or even below avg BKK bar girls.
I'm just stating this based on facial / body appearance.
No other variables.
Now your taste and mine may differ. I like thin upper arm, thin thighYou are right that we may have different taste. Those skeleton girls are my pretty much my last choice. (other than girls who have had babies)
"The only two things in life that make it worth livin'
Is guitars that tune good and firm feelin' women"
You don't find many skeleton girls who feel firm like the girls who have meatier legs, arms, and boobs.
I was in Baccara the other night and I thought the talent level was excellent. In my opinion, better than Billboard. However, as you say, our tastes may differ.
I will admit that my current live-in Indo girl is one of the skeleton girls, I am sure just your type. 38kg 20 year old with smooth white skin. But that is not usually what I go for normally. She has a face I really like and is such a sweety. Given I have that at home, I normally go for bigger girls when I go out at night on my own. Even before she stayed with me, I normally went for girls with a little meat on their bones. Stomach has to be flat, but big tits, big ass and even big legs and some meat on their arms is good in my book as long as they are firm.
I only visited AC once, so I am far from an expert on the place. But the week I was there back in 2005, I saw very little talent relative to Bangkok. I don't think I saw any pretty skeleton girls there that trip. There were some stocky girls, but they were not attractive.
I wonder what the girls are saying to the Asians about white guys? So fat they can't get get on top. Drink so much they can stay hard let achieve an erection and then pass out. Pay sucker prices. Always want to kiss because they cannot get girlfriend at home. Easy money from stupid farang.
Face it these girls are going to say whatever is required to boost our egos.Probably that we are "big size," want to "boom-boom long time," "want me to act like like girlfriend or sex movie," and want to pay "small money. ".
I will tell you where to buy water absorbing sheets if you tell me her number.
Last week went to Billboard, around 10-11 pm, not crowded. It was weekday maybe that's why.
Saw a chick, looked 26-28, hot and fare. But around 5 ft 5 in. That's Little too tall threshold I avoid. Anyways, asked for her and she came to me. Voice was normal, face was normal, though her foot was big for a typical girl and showing veins. While she drank her drink, I decided she ain't a lb. BFed her and went to my place.
She went to take shower, I waited. Got the room clear up, christ it was a mess. She came with towel wrapped around, I noticed her clothes on washing machine, all her clothes. Went to kiss her, she responded eagerly. It got hot and intense in few seconds. Pushed her to wall, hold her hands above her head and went full wild with tounge. Interestingly, she used her toungue even better than I did. Learned a few things from her at that moment.
Then took the towel off, pussy was fine and boobs were big and fairly tight. After little more foreplay, went to bed. She pushed me and sat over me. I was still in my shorts. She rubbed my groin by her ass while licking, no eating, my neck. She licked it amazingly, I was almost moaning. Then she went down, kissing all upper body and then seductively kissing everything in my groin excpt dick and balls.
Now I forget to mention, I LT her not ST, so she was in no hurry. Man, she knows how to seduce. The view down below is freaking amazing. She finally kissed my balls and then took the whole thing in her mouth. Within minutes she DT-ing it.
BBBJ skill was ok, as I can feel her teeth but her passion was unmatchable. Now, before I came, I tried to pull. But nope, she was having none of it. No way she was leaving my dick, which was great but I didn't wanted to come at that time. I actually had to wrestle her out LOL.
Then it was my turn to give head. And real fun started.
She was wet as Niagara falls. She was cumming like a canal. While I was licking her, her vaginal fluid kept coming. After 5 minutes she was literally shouting. Her legs were too tight around me. I thought, 2 minutes more and then I will wear the cee. But just after few secs she squirted on my face. I was wearing t shirt and it go so wet, like in rain. She literally shooted it on my face. Now I think about it, she face-fucked me. Awesome.
I went to washroom, washed my mouth. Came back, and my bed in middle was damp. Totally wet. She was surprised too. I didn't have this kind of squriting girl for a long while. After resting, we fucked in all positions, and I comed in cee.
Gave her a 500 tip and took her line ID. She said she's new there, which seems like true as I never saw her before.
WIR?
I have many reasons to see her again, amazing kisser, pure GFE, squirts like a tap, kind of like nympho (she didn't let me sleep at night), and nice to talk to (kindof sweet).
P.S.: anyone knows where I can buy water absorbing sheet or something like this, to put under her?
I don't know what it is?
I'm a massive freak but I avoid this.
Simply because I don't know what it is LOL.I read about it online. As per my limited knowledge, this comes from bladder. I usually avoid it too and never try to suck it in, even though online people say it's harmless, but still precaution is better than cure.
After writing the report, I met her once again and this time we sucked each other off in bathtub, it was hot and really wet.
Does anyone have any experience with using some oral gel / clams for DATY?
KilledSoul
06-10-19, 04:52
I wonder what the girls are saying to the Asians about white guys? So fat they can't get get on top. Drink so much they can stay hard let achieve an erection and then pass out. Pay sucker prices. Always want to kiss because they cannot get girlfriend at home. Easy money from stupid farang.
Face it these girls are going to say whatever is required to boost our egos.
Probably that we are "big size," want to "boom-boom long time," "want me to act like like girlfriend or sex movie," and want to pay "small money. ".Something one girl out of Thermae told me is "farang dick no color". What the fuck does that mean?
I wonder what the girls are saying to the Asians about white guys? So fat they can't get get on top. Drink so much they cant stay hard let achieve an erection and then pass out. Pay sucker prices. Always want to kiss because they cannot get girlfriend at home. Easy money from stupid farang.
Face it these girls are going to say whatever is required to boost our egos.Maybe closer to. Farang pay for sick buffalo, farang hairy and smell bad, farang drink too much so no sex and long time sleep so no pay fast, old farang no get hard so only do DATY.
Probably that we are "big size," want to "boom-boom long time," "want me to act like like girlfriend or sex movie," and want to pay "small money. ".Good thing not many blacks in BKK. Size would have a different meaning!
Something one girl out of Thermae told me is "farang dick no color". What the fuck does that mean?Farang dicks are basically the same color as their body. From watching some Japanese porn, I have noticed that Japanese guys may have light skin on their body, but they have dark dicks. I find it disgusting, but maybe the girls like it.
Member #4698
06-10-19, 12:39
I just spent 60 nights in BKK and went to ac for 120 nights, 180 consecutive nights total.
IMHO I would say the best manila <snip> bar girls would have a very hard time competing with the most avg or even below avg BKK bar girls. I'm just stating this based on facial / body appearance. No other variables.And this is what makes it a horse race. Your personal opinion on girl quality is just as valid as mine even though it is almost the opposite.
I agree with you that BKK overall is a better place to hang out. There is little to do in MNL until the bars open. The food is much better in BKK although food in MNL is not bad and getting better all the time. And MNL is a much poorer city with higher degree of poverty & crime. I would never consider living in MNL unless I had a really good job there, but I do like the girls. I remember one night I was sitting in Plan B waiting for my girl to change her clothes. It was still kind of early and only a few customers were there. Then I noticed 7 or 8 girls were laughing, smiling, and dancing together in a choreographed way amongst themselves. It looked like they were having a good time. It was a pleasant moment and nice to watch. I can't recall when I have seen a similar event take place in a BKK or Pattaya Go Go. There were 3 or 4 girls on the stage at the time my spec. I liked what I saw. Then my girl returned looking good in her casual street clothes and we were off.
CzarNicholas
06-10-19, 14:05
And this is what makes it a horse race. Your personal opinion on girl quality is just as valid as mine even though it is almost the opposite.
I agree with you that BKK overall is a better place to hang out. There is little to do in MNL until the bars open. The food is much better in BKK although food in MNL is not bad and getting better all the time. And MNL is a much poorer city with higher degree of poverty & crime. I would never consider living in MNL unless I had a really good job there, but I do like the girls. I remember one night I was sitting in Plan B waiting for my girl to change her clothes. It was still kind of early and only a few customers were there. Then I noticed 7 or 8 girls were laughing, smiling, and dancing together in a choreographed way amongst themselves. It looked like they were having a good time. It was a pleasant moment and nice to watch. I can't recall when I have seen a similar event take place in a BKK or Pattaya Go Go. There were 3 or 4 girls on the stage at the time my spec. I liked what I saw. Then my girl returned looking good in her casual street clothes and we were off.How much did you pay and for what kind of service? Double layered condom sex? Or BBFS? PSE? Or rated PG-13?
Blanquiceleste
06-10-19, 15:51
Farang dicks are basically the same color as their body. From watching some Japanese porn, I have noticed that Japanese guys may have light skin on their body, but they have dark dicks. I find it disgusting, but maybe the girls like it.For me, to watch a dick, other than my own, be it of any color, is disgusting.
For me, to watch a dick, other than my own, be it of any color, is disgusting.That depends. If the dick looks similar to mine, it's much easier to imagine I am the one fucking the girl.
Blanquiceleste
06-10-19, 16:01
That depends. If the dick looks similar to mine, it's much easier to imagine I am the one fucking the girl.You are assuming every one watches and enjoys porn. Some folks just do the real thing and are happy just with that.
Probably that we are "big size," want to "boom-boom long time," "want me to act like like girlfriend or sex movie," and want to pay "small money. ".I agree they say that about farang except the part about paying small money. I think farangs pay well and what many guys say on this board is not representative of what happens on the ground.
CzarNicholas
06-10-19, 20:55
I agree they say that about farang except the part about paying small money. I think farangs pay well and what many guys say on this board is not representative of what happens on the ground.I don't know how you would know what others pay?
But I'm willing to bet.
I pay less than 99% of mongers if not 99.99999999999%,whatever they pay.
CzarNicholas
06-10-19, 21:12
Maybe closer to. Farang pay for sick buffalo, farang hairy and smell bad, farang drink too much so no sex and long time sleep so no pay fast, old farang no get hard so only do DATY.I asked my fav BKK 18 yo to shave my body one day.
She wouldn't, they love my hairy chest, she said Asian guys look like hairless dogs naked LOL.
She said no, men are supposed to have body hair.
I just like to shave 1-2 x per year to keep it looking fresh LOL.
You are assuming every one watches and enjoys porn. Some folks just do the real thing and are happy just with that.Uh huh. My bet is there isn't one guy on this forum who has not viewed porn. Hell, they view it on this forum itself! LOL.
CzarNicholas
06-11-19, 00:16
And this is what makes it a horse race. Your personal opinion on girl quality is just as valid as mine even though it is almost the opposite.
I agree with you that BKK overall is a better place to hang out. There is little to do in MNL until the bars open. The food is much better in BKK although food in MNL is not bad and getting better all the time. And MNL is a much poorer city with higher degree of poverty & crime. I would never consider living in MNL unless I had a really good job there, but I do like the girls. I remember one night I was sitting in Plan B waiting for my girl to change her clothes. It was still kind of early and only a few customers were there. Then I noticed 7 or 8 girls were laughing, smiling, and dancing together in a choreographed way amongst themselves. It looked like they were having a good time. It was a pleasant moment and nice to watch. I can't recall when I have seen a similar event take place in a BKK or Pattaya Go Go. There were 3 or 4 girls on the stage at the time my spec. I liked what I saw. Then my girl returned looking good in her casual street clothes and we were off.We were discussing hunting for hookers in Manila and AC today and he compared it to dumpster diving lmao.
I can't stop laughing and that was 5 hrs ago.
Hunting hookers in PI is analogous to dumpster diving LOL.
I will say some that qualify for that warning, I will name just a few LOL.
Aladdin on walking street Atlantis, pony tails high society club Asia, and many many more.
I agree they say that about farang except the part about paying small money. I think farangs pay well and what many guys say on this board is not representative of what happens on the ground.Tourists tend to pay more, no matter where they are from. Pay well? I find that kind of a funny way of putting it. To me all of these gals are still sub-50 USD lays.
I asked my fav BKK 18 yo to shave my body one day.
She wouldn't, they love my hairy chest, she said Asian guys look like hairless dogs naked LOL.
She said no, men are supposed to have body hair.
I just like to shave 1-2 x per year to keep it looking fresh LOL.Just as many girls will say they prefer non hairy. Individual preference. Many probably have no preference. However you would be finding few guys that like a hairy muff even if is natural.
Girls like a dick and balls to not have hair if they are going to lick. Smooth is good. On other hand they do not like a 3 day growth to touch their pussy due to scratchiness. Some girls with complain they can't kiss too if the face is not shaved smooth enough. Some girls skin gets irritated much easier than others.
I asked my fav BKK 18 yo to shave my body one day.
She wouldn't, they love my hairy chest, she said Asian guys look like hairless dogs naked LOL.
She said no, men are supposed to have body hair.
I just like to shave 1-2 x per year to keep it looking fresh LOL.That is a good 1 singular experience.
What is the point of shaving off once or twice a year? That is a waste of time and does nothing for you. For some period of time, now it looks like you obviously are growing back shaved body hair once or twice a year. Seems pointless?
Girls like a dick and balls to not have hair if they are going to lick. Smooth is good.Thus my screen name.
I asked my fav BKK 18 yo to shave my body one day.
She wouldn't, they love my hairy chest, she said Asian guys look like hairless dogs naked LOL.
She said no, men are supposed to have body hair.
I just like to shave 1-2 x per year to keep it looking fresh LOL.The term Thais often use for hairy bodies or body parts is "monkey". Not sure how many Thai girls mean it as a complement. But I know some do like "monkey" bodies. Lately, I have been surprised by how many Thai girls are really into beards on men. I don't have a beard, don't want to grow one so I shave every day. But a lot of young Thai girls will drool over photos of men with beards and ask me if I would consider growing one for them, which is not what most Thai observers would have expected years ago.
However, I have not encountered one Thai girl who wishes I would let my pubic hair grow instead of keeping my package shaved and well groomed at all times.
Just as many girls will say they prefer non hairy. Individual preference. Many probably have no preference. However you would be finding few guys that like a hairy muff even if is natural.
Girls like a dick and balls to not have hair if they are going to lick. Smooth is good. On other hand they do not like a 3 day growth to touch their pussy due to scratchiness. Some girls with complain they can't kiss too if the face is not shaved smooth enough. Some girls skin gets irritated much easier than others.I've met very few Thai gals who like hairy dudes. Keeping the shaft, sack, taint, and keister shaved is a must.
CzarNicholas
06-11-19, 06:40
I've met very few Thai gals who like hairy dudes. Keeping the shaft, sack, taint, and keister shaved is a must.I shave my crotch smoother than a baby.
CzarNicholas
06-11-19, 07:08
And this is what makes it a horse race. Your personal opinion on girl quality is just as valid as mine even though it is almost the opposite.
I agree with you that BKK overall is a better place to hang out. There is little to do in MNL until the bars open. The food is much better in BKK although food in MNL is not bad and getting better all the time. And MNL is a much poorer city with higher degree of poverty & crime. I would never consider living in MNL unless I had a really good job there, but I do like the girls. I remember one night I was sitting in Plan B waiting for my girl to change her clothes. It was still kind of early and only a few customers were there. Then I noticed 7 or 8 girls were laughing, smiling, and dancing together in a choreographed way amongst themselves. It looked like they were having a good time. It was a pleasant moment and nice to watch. I can't recall when I have seen a similar event take place in a BKK or Pattaya Go Go. There were 3 or 4 girls on the stage at the time my spec. I liked what I saw. Then my girl returned looking good in her casual street clothes and we were off.I will have to say beyond opinion, one of us is closer to the objective truth, and I think most mongers that have been to Thailand and the PI will agree.
The quality between the 2 cannot be said to be in the same league.
Thailand has truly beautiful hookers, manila bars and ac bars are like one big junk yard.
A thrift store of used garbage if you will!! I don't think that's just opinion.
Most grown men can objectively agree on matters of beauty.
Sometimes it can be a close call.
Thailand hookers vs the PI hookers is laughable, this is not a close call.
(that said I spent many hours in sm Clark mall and saw many of the most beautiful women I've ever seen anywhere in the world.
But you will not find them hooking in AC or manila trust me, I hunted 24/7 looking for them!
keister shaved is a must.You shave your butt cheeks?
Lately, I have been surprised by how many Thai girls are really into beards on men. I don't have a beard, don't want to grow one so I shave every day. But a lot of young Thai girls will drool over photos of men with beards and ask me if I would consider growing one for them, which is not what most Thai observers would have expected years ago.I'm pretty sure that fad started in the USA, so I would guess the girls who do like it are well exposed to western culture. (can a Thai man even grow a beard?) Personally, I think it's ridiculous, mainly because a beard is so itchy. I actually think Major League Baseball players were the first to start it a few years ago as a superstitious thing - "I won't shave my beard until we win the world series" and it caught on as a trendy thing to do.
Engine Driver
06-11-19, 13:02
I've met very few Thai gals who like hairy dudes. Keeping the shaft, sack, taint, and keister shaved is a must.Do Thai chicks complain about hairs getting caught in their fake braces when they pull apart your ass cheeks and give you a rim job? I'm sure the beauty parlors in BKK could make a killing by waxing farang ass cracks.
Blanquiceleste
06-11-19, 15:05
Uh huh. My bet is there isn't one guy on this forum who has not viewed porn. Hell, they view it on this forum itself! LOL.Have I watched porn? Yes. Do I enjoy it? No.
Subtle difference I guess. Different folks. Different strokes.
Blanquiceleste
06-11-19, 15:10
I asked my fav BKK 18 yo to shave my body one day.
She wouldn't, they love my hairy chest, she said Asian guys look like hairless dogs naked LOL.
She said no, men are supposed to have body hair.
I just like to shave 1-2 x per year to keep it looking fresh LOL.Till a few years back I knew this girl named Mint in Pattaya who used to work at a LK Metro gogo who did an expert job of shaving. The regular shave and then the full body job. Sadly I have not been to Thailand in 2 years now so I have to settle for an expensive spa treatment in Singapore.
Blanquiceleste
06-11-19, 15:13
I'm pretty sure that fad started in the USA, so I would guess the girls who do like it are well exposed to western culture. (can a Thai man even grow a beard?) Personally, I think it's ridiculous, mainly because a beard is so itchy. I actually think Major League Baseball players were the first to start it a few years ago as a superstitious thing - "I won't shave my beard until we win the world series" and it caught on as a trendy thing to do.In general I agree with your theory although there are several claims to the origin of this trend. One story goes that it started in 2003 in Australia where men grew their moustaches and beards in the month of November to express their support and solidarity towards other men suffering from various forms of cancer common in men. Like prostrate or testicular. And it's called Movember. Does this happen in America?
I'm pretty sure that fad started in the USA, so I would guess the girls who do like it are well exposed to western culture. (can a Thai man even grow a beard?) Personally, I think it's ridiculous, mainly because a beard is so itchy. I actually think Major League Baseball players were the first to start it a few years ago as a superstitious thing - "I won't shave my beard until we win the world series" and it caught on as a trendy thing to do.Well beards for men are like push-up bras for women. If a guy has a weak chin, it may be worth growing a beard to cover up half his face.
Uh huh. My bet is there isn't one guy on this forum who has not viewed porn. Hell, they view it on this forum itself! LOL.Point is even though everyone have watched porn, but not everyone enjoys it.
CzarNicholas
06-11-19, 17:16
In general I agree with your theory although there are several claims to the origin of this trend. One story goes that it started in 2003 in Australia where men grew their moustaches and beards in the month of November to express their support and solidarity towards other men suffering from various forms of cancer common in men. Like prostrate or testicular. And it's called Movember. Does this happen in America?I don't have a beard or stache and never liked them but my opinion has changed of them because, I was listening to npr one day whilst driving (you can google this) that maybe around the late 1880's 1890's?
There was a movement against facial hair from feminists, because it highlighted differences between men and women, and something women could not do.
Now I've seen beards facial hair become popular amongst the hipster crowd on the left (10-15 yrs ago) in response there was a political reaction from men on the right (at least in the USA) in the last several yrs.
I believe its a political statement for many, right wing and proud, anti-feminist and proud?
If I see a man in business attire in an airport or walking down the street in an american city I'm assuming hes flouting his political affiliation? BTW the bigger the beard, I'm guessing the more conservative.
These are generalizations there are almost 8 bn people worldwide, I'm sure there are outliers in every direction.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2015/12/beards-why/422157/
So if feminists don't like them? Maybe all anti-feminists should have one.
CzarNicholas
06-11-19, 17:36
Point is even though everyone have watched porn, but not everyone enjoys it.Most members are into sex way more than the avg man? (and the avg man probably watches porn everyday somehow, especially the very religious).
So I surmise that between mongering sessions most members use / view porn?
Is that a fair guess? LOL.
I'm not saying all.
I don't know how you would know what others pay?
But I'm willing to bet.
I pay less than 99% of mongers if not 99.99999999999%,whatever they pay.I've noticed that with older guys in general paying the price they always paid for decades.
As a 27 yo American, I spent an entire week at thermaes a month ago and gladly paid 2500-3000 without haggling.
The other 20-30 yo guys I hung out with (mostly Canadian and American) did the same. I guess cheap is relative given countries of origin and changing economies. When you were our age, there were probably old guys paying sub 500 for top notch girls.
You shave your butt cheeks?Not cheeks. Keister = a##hole.
Do Thai chicks complain about hairs getting caught in their fake braces when they pull apart your ass cheeks and give you a rim job? I'm sure the beauty parlors in BKK could make a killing by waxing farang ass cracks.No hair on the this man's hole. Smooth as can be.
I shave my crotch smoother than a baby.And the gals appreciate it.
Hi everyone,
Firstly I would just like to thank everyone for the great reports and general information you've all given on the forum. I've read back so many pages and caught up again then go back another 50. Yeah I have no life.
Just a bit of advise if anyone can give me some pointers.
I've traveled all over Europe but not really done long haul before and it will be my first trip to Thailand.
I've planned to fly into Bangkok from either Birmingham or London on 30th or 31 of October just as we crash out of the EU so great planning just as the pound might plummet. I'll most likely do the 30th so I can change plenty of pounds the day before we actually leave.
The plan is 4 Nights Bangkok, 8 Nights Pattaya and then back to Bangkok for 5 Nights.
I was just wondering when is the best time to actually book the flights and Hotels and which would be the best flights to go for.
I have an idea after reading one here which hotels I'll probably be booking in Bangkok.
Should I just book everything now 5 months ahead or wait closer to the time for a better deal. The ones I've picked are between 2500-3500 baht depending if I actually book and pay now without the cancellation option through Agoda. I'm 99% doing the dates.
Pattaya not so much bothered as the one I've chosen is a bargain of about 1200.
Right now the flights are coming up around £500 direct from London and about the same from Birmingham but with a small layover. Travel wise it's about the same really as I'm nearly 3 hours from London and 45 minutes from Birmingham and when getting back home that 45 minutes sounds much better then the 3 hours from London. Would Direct be the best way to go and just deal with the 3 hours traveling when getting back.
Any info would be much appreciated.
I'll not really be able to give anything back to the forum till I'm on the ground, so if anyone who is living out there and would like something bringing over that you can't get you hands on or maybe want to try before paying the packaging maybe before buying bulk, just so long as it's legal and not too big I don't mind spending a few quid and bringing some stuff with me and passing it on for free as a payback for all the good, maybe bad advise and info I've read these past few months. I'm already thing the cost will not add up to what I'll have saved from reading on here so thanks again.
That sounded way smaller in my head than it actually looks after typing it all out.
G.
Most members are into sex way more than the avg man? (and the avg man probably watches porn everyday somehow, especially the very religious).
So I surmise that between mongering sessions most members use / view porn?
Is that a fair guess? LOL.
I'm not saying all.Yup. Most love porn, the reason why we hear term "pse" a lot.
Though, personally I never liked it.
Point is even though everyone have watched porn, but not everyone enjoys it.I have always enjoyed porn, especially girl on girl.
Started watching pron in teens and buying wank mags.
Used to think it was the thing, of course.
Now I watch what I prefer to call erotica. Real couples, or non-actors, fucking. I can't stand the sight of the stuff I used to get off on- inflated, bronzed Valley bimbo-types, repeating the same inanities and fake groaning. So unconvincing. Now I can watch and enjoy amateur homemade stuff with real and often very attractive couples. Though even with this the porn film tropes slip in (sometimes: 'oh yes!, Oh God!' repeated ad infinitum. Switches me right off.
CzarNicholas
06-11-19, 19:42
I have always enjoyed porn, especially girl on girl.But can I ask the difference between girl on girl and guy on guy?
I'm guessing maybe girl on girl is a feminist plot.
To program men to fantasize about being deleted from the equation, whilst paying lesbian actresses and directors to do so.
MongerForSex
06-11-19, 20:42
I have always enjoyed porn, especially girl on girl.I never enjoyed porn, it's boring and always the same history, a cock entering vagina or anus. But I like jerking off and comming all over the girl. girl on girl porn is more boring. But I like to watch girl on girl in person.
I never enjoyed porn, it's boring and always the same historyAlways the same story? I guess you've never watched a Max Hardcore porn video. There's no way you can think that one is the same story as the average porn.
I like watching the Japanese ones where the guys grope girls on buses and trains.
CzarNicholas
06-11-19, 22:02
Always the same story? I guess you've never watched a Max Hardcore porn video. There's no way you can think that one is the same story as the average porn.
I like watching the Japanese ones where the guys grope girls on buses and trains.I must agree that Japanese porn where one guy is groping a hot young office girl on the crowded train and the next thing you know 20 guys are gangbanging her is.
Must see TV.
Hes weak in comparison to max but the best active director would have to be mike adriano of nympho.com fame.
CzarNicholas
06-11-19, 22:11
That is a good 1 singular experience.
What is the point of shaving off once or twice a year? That is a waste of time and does nothing for you. For some period of time, now it looks like you obviously are growing back shaved body hair once or twice a year. Seems pointless?I cycle a lot, when I'm about to hit my most active periods, I like to shave my legs arms torso, the hair and sweat on a tight shirt just makes me uncomfortable.
Also all hair doesn't grow evenly, so 2 x a year seems to be ideal.
I think it looks good when its growing in, kinda like guys with hair on their face.
Its not stubble and its not bare and its not a full beard.
It almost looks ideal, I would do it more often but I don't like the mess.
MongerForSex
06-11-19, 22:30
Always the same story? I guess you've never watched a Max Hardcore porn video. There's no way you can think that one is the same story as the average porn.
I like watching the Japanese ones where the guys grope girls on buses and trains.I am not lucky to live in the USA. No time for porn movies. Why watch porn movies when I can fuck girls everyday and watch them in person. Every porn is the same story ( how cock meets pussy and/or anus and how cock splits milk ). I am now watching netflix and later will get ready to fuck some bitches. I will maybe get HSV today when getting sucked without condom. If I get it, I should see a skin specialist and get stigmatized. I completely forgot I am a skin specialist and live in a country where sex is not stigmatized but finally, I am really lucky not to live in the USA. I watched many porn movies when I was adolescent. I liked porn movies but now I am retired from porn movies.
CzarNicholas
06-11-19, 23:11
I am not lucky to live in the USA. No time for porn movies. Why watch porn movies when I can fuck girls everyday and watch them in person. Every porn is the same story ( how cock meets pussy and/or anus and how cock splits milk ). I am now watching netflix and later will get ready to fuck some bitches. I will maybe get HSV today when getting sucked without condom. If I get it, I should see a skin specialist and get stigmatized. I completely forgot I am a skin specialist and live in a country where sex is not stigmatized but finally, I am really lucky not to live in the USA. I watched many porn movies when I was adolescent. I liked porn movies but now I am retired from porn movies.I feel feminists just have found ways to drive up the sticker price, exponentially higher than in most / all non western countries.
Pussy is a commodity like everything else in this hyper capitalist economy.
You say stigmatize I say price manipulation!!
Porn is one of the western males options to reduce demand and thereby reduce the sticker price.
Econ 101 supply vs demand=price.
At least that's how it should work.
As long as there aren't any desperate duans around willfully destroying the basic fundamentals of economics.
Always the same story? I guess you've never watched a Max Hardcore porn video. There's no way you can think that one is the same story as the average porn.
I like watching the Japanese ones where the guys grope girls on buses and trains.Yes me too but I have to admit making your own porn with a girl who knows what to do and takes direction well is better than than watching others and serves as a permanent, continuous pleasure graphic in every sordid detail. I'll have to leave instruction to burn them after I die.
Started watching pron in teens and buying wank mags.
Used to think it was the thing, of course.
Now I watch what I prefer to call erotica. Real couples, or non-actors, fucking. I can't stand the sight of the stuff I used to get off on- inflated, bronzed Valley bimbo-types, repeating the same inanities and fake groaning. So unconvincing. Now I can watch and enjoy amateur homemade stuff with real and often very attractive couples. Though even with this the porn film tropes slip in (sometimes: 'oh yes!, Oh God!' repeated ad infinitum. Switches me right off.Exactly my love in porn as well.
Hi everyone,
Firstly I would just like to thank everyone for the great reports and general information you've all given on the forum. I've read back so many pages and caught up again then go back another 50. Yeah I have no life.
Just a bit of advise if anyone can give me some pointers.
I've traveled all over Europe but not really done long haul before and it will be my first trip to Thailand.
I've planned to fly into Bangkok from either Birmingham or London on 30th or 31 of October just as we crash out of the EU so great planning just as the pound might plummet. I'll most likely do the 30th so I can change plenty of pounds the day before we actually leave.
The plan is 4 Nights Bangkok, 8 Nights Pattaya and then back to Bangkok for 5 Nights.
I was just wondering when is the best time to actually book the flights and Hotels and which would be the best flights to go for.
I have an idea after reading one here which hotels I'll probably be booking in Bangkok.
Should I just book everything now 5 months ahead or wait closer to the time for a better deal. The ones I've picked are between 2500-3500 baht depending if I actually book and pay now without the cancellation option through Agoda. I'm 99% doing the dates..1) Change your Pounds in Thailand, or use an ATM (I can't imagine the exchange rate in Birmingham is even remotely favorable). 2) It's low season and hotels should be available and inexpensive. 3) If you have time, take the bus from Ekkamai to Pattaya. About 3 quid. 4) have fun!
1) Change your Pounds in Thailand, or use an ATM (I can't imagine the exchange rate in Birmingham is even remotely favorable). 2) It's low season and hotels should be available and inexpensive. 3) If you have time, take the bus from Ekkamai to Pattaya. About 3 quid. 4) have fun!Yes have to agree. Never ever change Pounds to Thai money in your home country. You (people in general) will get ripped off badly. You can change some at the Thai airport on arrival, and find out great exchange locations in Thailand. You can also pull Thai money from an ATM on your England bank account. Carrying large amounts of cash is also not recommended. I have never been stupid enough to do that. I have never been robbed but did lose a wallet once.
30 Oct is a Wed I think. Traffic will be at its worst in the morning, so not great to arrive at 7 am. (5 am is better you might manage to miss the peak) Hotel check in is at 2 PM anyway. Arrive in the evening is better or on a Sunday. Thailand has all day traffic jams except Sunday and evening is better.
To be frank GMikel, your concerns are things on little consequence. You should be focussing on other things, plus its a long time till you trip. Newbies have to learn by mistakes but can learn from others. You are a target waiting to be ripped off by taxi drivers and people on the street. Don't trust anyone that approaches you. I refuse to even speak to Thais that come to me offering help. Since if I want help, I can go information desk, etc. Yes Thais can seem very friendly. Too friendly. They don't seem to be able to mind their own business. Honest people in Thailand won't be coming to you. They will be minding their own business. So there is the first lesson.
No. 2 Watch out for ladyboys that can be very beautiful and look like real girls. See the Identifying LBs thread.
You will want to use metered taxis unless you know the correct price. You should get a SIM card for your smartphone at the airport, including internet data. You will need Google Maps for sure. You should make sure you know where your destination is on Google Maps, and the best route to get there. That way you can tell if the taxi is taking you too far away fro the best routes. Direct routes are not always possible but Google knows.
You will have communication problems. Thais and Westerners pronounce words very differently. Show taxi driver where you going on the Map. Hope he can read a Map. Be aware he might not understand if you verbally tell him the place name. Write it down is probably a lot better.
If you are going to go to bars, read about those recommended. We hear reports about dangerous rip off bars.
Book your first Hotel in advance for a night or two. Don't book too far in advance. Stay flexible so you can change your plans easily. When I first came to Thailand we did not have internet bookings so I arrived with no Hotels booked and showed up to the desk. Fortunately that is not necessary any more.
October is the later part of the rainy season. Hotels not likely to be fully booked. Fortunately it is not the hot season (getting cooler).
I like watching the Japanese ones where the guys grope girls on buses and trains.Whatever your fantasies. Its so much bullshit. I hope it is not training you to attempt the same. We did have bars where you could do all sorts of things to girls in Bangkok in "public" (well at least indoors but with other customers hanging around). I have tried it. The thrill of others watching is a bit mythical in my opinion. However I know some find it more exciting. Maybe they imagine they are porn stars regardless of hung or not. In past I knew a hot black girl who would only be excited to fuck me if there was a large risk of being caught. In a bedroom, she had no interest. I thought she was pretty weird. So I allow for weird attitudes.
The bullshit part portrayed is molesting girls that are supposedly unwilling, but somehow change their mind and get into it. Thai girls don't do bad things in public unless they are drunk or drugged. LBs maybe would. Normal Thai girls like to be naughty behind closed doors.
Actually I find most Japanese porn to be pretty unexciting, especially pixelated stuff. I like some Japanese girls, well enough.
I am weird in that I prefer porn with extremely beautiful girls with fabulous natural bodies and naked (not taking too long to get undressed), and slim, big tits just a bonus. BBBJs don't do anything for me in porn at all, and ass fucking nothing special, and splooge cum shots also of no interest. I guess I am into pretty arty porn, more about how delicious hot girls can look. I do like pretty pussy too. I like StasyQ with girls having great bodies (no guys), but the weakness is the girls have clothes on for far too long.
Watching porn is largely a function of how much we are missing out in real life. While in Thailand, there is hardly ever a need to wank. Watch porn only if really deprived I think.
In 1991 was great that you could find a bar where you could undress and molest several girls at a time in a fairly dark bar like the Kangaroo Club, and would not cost you an arm and a leg. I am sure can still be done now, but places are more keen to use the back room, and will cost a lot more. I would prefer out in the bright lighting. Ha ha. I also think the girls available are a lot more ugly (or fat) than in 1991. So Hard to find enough "doable" slutty girls.
Started watching pron in teens and buying wank mags.
Used to think it was the thing, of course.
Now I watch what I prefer to call erotica. Real couples, or non-actors, fucking. I can't stand the sight of the stuff I used to get off on- inflated, bronzed Valley bimbo-types, repeating the same inanities and fake groaning. So unconvincing. Now I can watch and enjoy amateur homemade stuff with real and often very attractive couples. Though even with this the porn film tropes slip in (sometimes: 'oh yes!, Oh God!' repeated ad infinitum. Switches me right off.Yeah home made videos are very hot usually.
Always the same story? I guess you've never watched a Max Hardcore porn video. There's no way you can think that one is the same story as the average porn.
I like watching the Japanese ones where the guys grope girls on buses and trains.I have seen some "well made" porn flicks, but it was just for the sake of it. In the end "story" was pretty much the same (BTW never seen this max stuff).
Like synergies mentioned, porn is useless in Thailand, unless someone has rare fetishes which are hard to achieve in real.
Even euro porn is heading the same way as USA porn. Though the women remain very beautiful, they are usually made to look like glamazons. Tall thin beautiful makeup and perfect breasts.
Although I find some porn interesting, my favorites are the semiamateurs on Asian street meat or when I want to mix it up the erotica on Netflix does the job.
Yeah home made videos are very hot usually.
Even euro porn is heading the same way as USA porn. Though the women remain very beautiful, they are usually made to look like glamazons. Tall thin beautiful makeup and perfect breasts.
For many years Euro porn was superior to American porn (for me), and quite different. Perhaps too much emphasis on anal. I did dislike hairy pussy in the early days. "Tall thin beautiful makeup and perfect breasts" might have been common in euro porn, but was American porn had a lot of muscley buxome milfs with enormous sillies. Overly big girls for my taste, e. G. Christy Canyon types. Big ass was also an American specialty I think. Quite ugly girls were all too frequent. Georgina Spelvin, Linda Lovelace, Brandi Love, Nina Hartley (not doable). Girls that started out good looking but became horrible with surgeries was common. Thin girls with perfect breasts was a rarity in American porn in my view. American porn in old days also had too much emphasis on the guys being very musclebound and having long blond hair (thinking they were good looking). Maybe American porn has changed, I have not really stayed up with it.
It is hard to imagine Euro porn copying American. Indian guys like buxom women of course and don't like skinny girls that I like.
Whatever your fantasies. Its so much bullshit. I hope it is not training you to attempt the same.
The bullshit part portrayed is molesting girls that are supposedly unwilling, but somehow change their mind and get into it. Seems you know the plots of those movies pretty well.
To even think it possible for that type of media to train a grown man to act like that suggests that perhaps you yourself may possibly be susceptible to be effected by such media.
Of course it's bullshit. Who would watch those videos if they showed reality of a guy riding a bus and just looking at the girl while she ignores him?
Overly big girls for my taste, e. G. Christy Canyon types.Christy is my all time favorite porn star. Unbelievable body and extremely sexy face. Her meaty pussy is awesome.
But that's why they have different types of women in those videos. We all have different tastes.
To even think it possible for that type of media to train a grown man to act like that suggests that perhaps you yourself may possibly be susceptible to be effected by such media.
Affected, no. I have seen the odd one or two bus porn videos. Probably did not finish them. More out of curiosity, and I do find them somewhat funny. Not erotic at all. So I admit to having searched for sex in public type videos and watched a few.
I watched "Milo and the Box of Wonders" and that was exciting for me. That she could just stand and let various guys grope her pussy was slightly weird. Also nude interviewer Jeny Smith, and "Girls Nude at Disco". However I prefer glamour perfect slim girl nude models usually. Nudist videos are useless because the girls are not acting sexy. When younger my ex wife and I were part time nudist holiday makers. So just a nude girl is not enough, she has to act sexy too. I once attended a new year's eve party dancing with naked women at nudist holiday camp, but wasn't sexy.
Here is a link to Milo and the Box:
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5945f5332f720
Milo on the bus is nice too in another video. She has a great ass for me.
I am always someone who likes to finger pretty pussy, and lick and suck and fuck.
I also like skinny girls grinding on me in cowgirl to get themselves off.
I have fucked in public, but found it was best I ignored the spectators and just concentrated on the girl to be able to stay excited.
I was at venues where the spectators were obviously voyeurs and wanted to watch, so not at all like the bus porn.
In Star of Light the girl unfortunately wanted to fuck in the bar for only 10 minutes max, so I got no cum I think. Wasn't that memorable.
Kangaroo bar in 1991 with maybe 5 girls playing with me was better. Did not matter so much if all were pretty when you have 5. One with a nice face,
one with huge tits and a yummy pussy, etc. Fingers in many pussies. Dick in a few mouths, etc. Tag team BBBJ
Christy is my all time favorite porn star. Unbelievable body and extremely sexy face. Her meaty pussy is awesome.
But that's why they have different types of women in those videos. We all have different tastes.I was never attracted to Christy although probably watched no porn in the era she was in her prime, porn like that was illegal in my country. By the time xxx was allowed Traci Lords was the new big star.
In these pics we can see Christies attractions, I doubt you noticed her face at all.
Compared to Jenna in one pic, Jenna is obviously prettier, although has the age advantage. In later years, I could swear Jenna had been murdered and replaced by another girl not that similar. Could it just have been age, surgeries, and drugs? I was always trying to spot her famous thigh tattoo to see if tat was exactly the same, since I just could not believe was the same Jenna Jamieson.
Pictured with Nina Hartley we see just how ugly Nina was. Had amazingly horrible sillies as well.
Pictured with Randy West. He was an enigma. Was the only male porn star in American Porn with a small dick (must have been 5 inches only). They must have thought he was handsome. Ha ha. Hated to see Randy in porn. Never exciting. Jaime Gillis with Annette Haven or Traci Lords and her boy star (can't remember his name) worked okay For me. In those days I had a wife that fucked once per month, so I needed some porn badly. Ha ha. Now I have a hot GF, porn is mainly for times away or if she is on her period.
For really early porn, I preferred French because they had hotter looking girls, e. G. Bridgette Lahaie, Marilyn Jess, but pussy hair was a big turn off. In later years , Anita Blond. These days I like little girls e.g. Apolonia Lapiedra, Janice Griffiths. Big tits not important for me, but I certainly can like them, e.g. Kendra Roll, I probably don't have a single favourite porn star with sillies, although Nichole Aniston I would still watch due to her magnificent pussy. Lana Rhodes was great once but ass seems to be growing too much, with implants?
I like Thai girls pretty much similar to pornstars I like, just happen to have slanty eyes, and maybe darker skin. If in real life we end up with girls with implants too often, but in porn, we don't have to tolerate it. I am influenced by porn for sure. I got used to looking at pretty slim girls with fabulous natural bodies. Now in mongering I want the same. I am not trying to copy acts I see in porn because they are too contrived and silly, or sometimes just ugly and about degradation. I just want girls that are princess beauties, ideally, and then if they can do GFE and fuck with enthusiasm, I am happy. I keep thinking to go to a low class bar, and do raunchy acts with multiple girls in public or in good lighting at least, but if I get there, I can't find girls doable, or even worth molesting sometimes. If the girl wants to go off into a dark corner and still have an uncomfortable experience, I can't see any plus side to that.
Hi everyone,
Firstly I would just like to thank everyone for the great reports and general information you've all given on the forum. I've read back so many pages and caught up again then go back another 50. Yeah I have no life.
Just a bit of advise if anyone can give me some pointers.
I've traveled all over Europe but not really done long haul before and it will be my first trip to Thailand.
I've planned to fly into Bangkok from either Birmingham or London on 30th or 31 of October just as we crash out of the EU so great planning just as the pound might plummet. I'll most likely do the 30th so I can change plenty of pounds the day before we actually leave.
The plan is 4 Nights Bangkok, 8 Nights Pattaya and then back to Bangkok for 5 Nights.
I was just wondering when is the best time to actually book the flights and Hotels and which would be the best flights to go for.
I have an idea after reading one here which hotels I'll probably be booking in Bangkok.
Should I just book everything now 5 months ahead or wait closer to the time for a better deal. The ones I've picked are between 2500-3500 baht depending if I actually book and pay now without the cancellation option through Agoda. I'm 99% doing the dates..'They' (the industry folk) say the optimum time to buy long haul flights is around 10 weeks out, possibly excepting peak periods. I too am always on the lookout for lowest prices. Subscribe to skyscanner flight alerts for price changes for your chosen dates, and check the matrix airfare search (sometimes different result are thrown up by these two, with some airlines excluded from one or the other) http://matrix.itasoftware.com/. 500 quid seems OK for the dates and airports you specify, though it could come down. Generally, if you're happy with it, I'd book it.
MongerForSex
06-12-19, 08:48
I feel feminists just have found ways to drive up the sticker price, exponentially higher than in most / all non western countries.
Pussy is a commodity like everything else in this hyper capitalist economy.
You say stigmatize I say price manipulation!!
Porn is one of the western males options to reduce demand and thereby reduce the sticker price.
Econ 101 supply vs demand=price.
At least that's how it should work.
As long as there aren't any desperate duans around willfully destroying the basic fundamentals of economics.It's always about money, in western countries, women buy their own didlo to please themselves. You know now they want didlos that don't look like cocks. Sex is not healthy that's why it's safer to jerk off while watching porns LOOL. Porn is for adolescents that want to discover their sexual organs. Sex is taboo today. I can't stand feminism and religious parts. I lived in the USA, it's the worst country when it comes to sex followed by western Europe. Porn is always the same history. Now pussy is gold in the USA. You can see but you can't touch it. Ugly and unatural women in the porn indistry, they are photoshoped. I watched too many porns when I was adolescent. I moved on. Porns are good if you are in a country where you can't have sex everyday, the USA or Western country (France, The UK, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, Germany etc).
MongerForSex
06-12-19, 08:56
Pictured with Nina Hartley we see just how ugly Nina was. Had amazingly horrible sillies as well.
.She is an ugly feminist, Do you mean she is no more ugly? She has always been ugly. She is not natural and photoshoped like most porn stars. Porn stars are very ugly when you them waking up and without make up.
I've planned to fly into Bangkok from either Birmingham or London on 30th or 31 of October just as we crash out of the EU so great planning just as the pound might plummet. I'll most likely do the 30th so I can change plenty of pounds the day before we actually leave.Usually you get a better rate in Thailand, but as soon as it becomes clear that the Brexit is near and inevitable it might indeed be wise to change pounds in the UK before it plummets.
Right now the flights are coming up around 500 direct from London and about the same from Birmingham but with a small layover. Travel wise it's about the same really as I'm nearly 3 hours from London and 45 minutes from Birmingham and when getting back home that 45 minutes sounds much better then the 3 hours from London. Would Direct be the best way to go and just deal with the 3 hours traveling when getting back.I would take the flight from Birmingham with the small layover if I were you. Because you will be exhausted after the long haul flight.
For the same reason I always stay in Bangkok the first couple of nights. I used to go to Pattaya straight away but the bus ride was killing me after the long flight.
I've traveled all over Europe but not really done long haul before and it will be my first trip to Thailand.
I've planned to fly into Bangkok from either Birmingham or London on 30th or 31 of October just as we crash out of the EU so great planning just as the pound might plummet. I'll most likely do the 30th so I can change plenty of pounds the day before we actually leave.
The plan is 4 Nights Bangkok, 8 Nights Pattaya and then back to Bangkok for 5 Nights.
Any info would be much appreciated.
Hi GM,
I would book the flights first. Up to you whether a direct from LHR (or LGW?) or a layover included from BHX makes economic sense, but as Mogwai says a short layover breaks up the flight and allows you to stretch your legs a bit before the second part of the flight and probably helps combat jetlag at the far end. Consider flying through a Euro hub also (FRA, AMS, HEL, VIE, ZRH, CDG) or IST as these often have good deals. Gulf carriers have a nice split of flights about 6 hours each leg too. Use Skyscanner or Google Flights to investigate.
I'd stay in Bangkok for a couple of nights on arrival also, so much better to experience the culture shock of Thailand all at once in the big city (I envy you here, the first few days are truly magical).
Hotels will always be available and the rack rate price does not change that much over time (but some have high and low season prices, especially in Pattaya). I use both Hotels dot com and Bookings dot com, there are always price differences between the two sites and I always check both before making a booking. Useful to check out the hotel's own website too as these are often cheaper than the global booking sites, but careful here as they will most likely charge you in Thai Baht rather than Pounds Sterling and the rate will change as well as your bank adding on fees for Credit Card. Paying upfront without the option to cancel is never advised unless you have firm dates confirmed, and I think you need flexibility being a new guy in town.
Both hotel sites I use have a useful map view where you can see all available hotels' prices and location in your preferred area.
Foreign exchange is better on the ground in Thailand than in UK, depending on where you buy. In BKK airport you can find ripoff rates and better rates, so go downstairs to the Airport Rail Link entrance level where there are several booths where you can compare prices, only exchange a couple of hundred in the arrivals area if you don't have the time to go downstairs. Rates in Pattaya are probably best of all (Yellow TT exchange Booths dotted around the city) and there are several good options in Bangkok too (SuperRich, Vasu, and a really good small booth above Thermae entrance).
Brexit rates? Hmmm. Who is to say whether or not the deadline will be extended.
Here's a game to play. Buy £500 worth of Baht in your local currency exchange now and note the rate. Buy £500 when you get to Thailand in the better exchanges and look at the difference. You cannot do anything else now, currency is a fickle market and you and I have no influence on the way it goes. Closer to the deadline for Brexit should give you an idea of trending. You could cut your losses by half by hedging now or you could lose more if the Pound strengthens.
Or suck it up and just pay the going rate in October.
The new referendum could reverse everything and the Pound could go through the roof relative to the Baht.
Pig Squadron Leader over and out.
Hi all champions,
I need your help. I am planning to visit Bangkok in first week of July for business meeting.
Can you share any good contact of age 20 to 35 who can satisfy my desires. Last time I had not that good experience. Hence I decided to take your help. I wanted to try skinny, petite, girls and MILF types.
Also share info about pricing / cost.
Thanks in advance.
PutinEatsJizz
06-12-19, 15:06
Took a cute Thermaes gal home couple nights back. 3 k for ST and she looked like actress Jenna Coleman. Win win.
Hi GM,
Hotels will always be available and the rack rate price does not change that much over time (but some have high and low season prices, especially in Pattaya). I use both Hotels dot com and Bookings dot com, there are always price differences between the two sites and I always check both before making a booking. Useful to check out the hotel's own website too as these are often cheaper than the global booking sites, but careful here as they will most likely charge you in Thai Baht rather than Pounds Sterling and the rate will change as well as your bank adding on fees for Credit Card. Paying upfront without the option to cancel is never advised unless you have firm dates confirmed, and I think you need flexibility being a new guy in town.
Both hotel sites I use have a useful map view where you can see all available hotels' prices and location in your preferred area.HotelsCombined and Trivago consolidate hundreds of online TAs so you don't need to go to each one to check. They have the same map search feature as well.
Yes me too but I have to admit making your own porn with a girl who knows what to do and takes direction well is better than than watching others and serves as a permanent, continuous pleasure graphic in every sordid detail. I'll have to leave instruction to burn them after I die.Although I never did a porn with Christy Canyon I have a Polaroid of her and me. I did do customer porn with many others though such as Chessie Moore, Kayla Kleevage and Minka who are all super busty man-pleasers. Kayla and Minka live in Las Vegas and you can still do them at a premium price. Chessie would regularly film and fuck customers for free if you joined her fan club but she is retired now. The Market Street Cinema in San Francisco used to feature the big bust porn stars and there was a secret room upstairs you could go and take pictures or videos and have some fun. I've had at least a half dozen others whose star names I do not recall but this was in the 90's before I started traveling overseas.
MongerForSex
06-12-19, 20:29
I bought my plane ticket, I plan to come to Thailand on October 5th for 6 weeks, How common is anal sex in Bangcock?
Although I never did a porn with Christy Canyon I have a Polaroid of her and me.I have a polaroid with Victoria Paris. She is naked in the photo, but I am not. She signed it "thanks for the wild night!" even though all I did was go to the strip club and pay her to pose for the photo. So it wasn't really that wild. She was hot as hell though no doubt about it.
Etaoin2003
06-12-19, 22:44
The plan is 4 Nights Bangkok, 8 Nights Pattaya and then back to Bangkok for 5 Nights.
I was just wondering when is the best time to actually book the flights and Hotels and which would be the best flights to go for.
4-8-5 sounds like a good plan. I would not bother booking any hotels until closer to your trip. Stay flexible. Hotels are cheap and depending on location the quality of a room in the 1000-1400 thb range is much better than you probably expect. There is a huge surplus of rooms in both cities. You can just show up in Pattaya and find a clean and decent aircon room over a bar at the last minute at half that price. The only reason to book in advance is if you really must stay at a specific resort with particular amenities (pool etc).
Tickets for the bus to Pattaya are available on the day of your journey. There are some good YouTube videos explaining where to buy and what it's like.
As for the flights: Skyscanner.net and flights. google.com will compare all possible options and show how prices vary across days / weeks / months. The low point is usually 8-10 weeks out, then it rises quite a bit to fleece business travelers, then at the last minute it can drop again if demand is low. Midweek can be cheaper.
Direct vs connect is up to you, as they say in LOS. You're going to feel like crap when you get there either way. DO NOT under any circumstances take an afternoon nap on the day you arrive, or any day after that, or you will never adjust to the time change. Get sunlight.
Learn to think in baht.
Usually you get a better rate in Thailand, but as soon as it becomes clear that the Brexit is near and inevitable it might indeed be wise to change pounds in the UK before it plummets.How do you know the pound won't go up? That reminds me of the people who were saying the US stock market would plummet if Donald Trump was elected. However, it sky rocketed after he was elected. They were dead wrong.
MongerForSex
06-12-19, 22:57
This thread should change from Bangcock to general ISG.
How do you know the pound won't go up? That reminds me of the people who were saying the US stock market would plummet if Donald Trump was elected. However, it sky rocketed after he was elected. They were dead wrong.No one should have expected the trajectory of the stock market or the USA Economy in general to change in any meanigful way from where they were already going on the occasions of the election or the inauguration of a president. Heading up or down, neither has ever done so on those occasions throughout history. The election and inauguration of the current president was no exception. The trajectory of both essentially continued doing what they had been doing since mid 2009.
However, the trajectory of both can and often does change in meaningful ways after that administration's first major economic legislation is passed. Typically, the stock market (let's call that Wall Street) makes a move rather quickly after passage because that is forward looking, essentially making a bet on where the general economy (let's call that Main Street) will go based on what is in the legislation. Look for Main Street to make its move in terms of increased or reduced inventory, hiring or firing, etc a while later, after the provisions in the legislation begin to hit the ground.
On that count, the USA Stock market has not increased much at all since late December 2017 when the current administration's first major economic legislation was passed compared with what it had been doing in previous years. There certainly hasn't been any skyrocketing in evidence since any of the forementioned occasions.
In some meaningful ways, such as private sector jobs creation, Main Street is producing less well than in recent previous years. Real annual GDP might have ticked up a percentage point since then, likely the result of an additional $700 Billion in military spending and a $1.5 Trillion sugar high jolt in disproportionately large corporate and top marginal income bracket tax cuts.
So too might be the case with Brexit, nobody knows. There might be an immediate temporary move one way or another that settles in to a much longer term trend once due diligence has been done on its likely real world longer term impact.
I bought my plane ticket, I plan to come to Thailand on October 5th for 6 weeks, How common is anal sex in Bangcock?Pretty common. And no need for extra bhat. Just pre-negotiate. I think the short term going rate is 1500 B.
Took a cute Thermaes gal home couple nights back. 3 k for ST and she looked like actress Jenna Coleman. Win win.Has Bangkok really become this expensive?
I bought my plane ticket, I plan to come to Thailand on October 5th for 6 weeks, How common is anal sex in Bangcock?Freudian spelling of Bangkok. I have not had a Thai girl offer me her ass for years, but I did not specifically request it, nor go to the right places often enough. Common for LBs I guess. Ha ha.
Not common except at specific pornstar type Oily massage shops. If you read that thread you should know which MPs.
Has Bangkok really become this expensive?Given the strength of the Thai Baht nowadays, Thailand is no longer a cheap option for anything unfortunately.
Franciscass
06-13-19, 04:07
Given the strength of the Thai Baht nowadays, Thailand is no longer a cheap option for anything unfortunately.Cost wise Bangkok is a tale of two cities.
If you want to eat at high end restaurants, have your latte at Starbucks, wear branded clothing and use top spas its no cheaper than other capitals in developed countries.
If your standard is cheap accommodation, street food, clothes from Platinum Mall or Big see and a massage almost anywhere then it's relatively inexpensive.
As mentioned shifting exchange rates play a big part when making comparisons.
CzarNicholas
06-13-19, 04:15
Given the strength of the Thai Baht nowadays, Thailand is no longer a cheap option for anything unfortunately.Except the prices!
It's the #1 tourist city destination in the world.
I believe 20 million per annum?
That is never going to be good for prices.
Given the strength of the Thai Baht nowadays, Thailand is no longer a cheap option for anything unfortunately.You can still get a really cheap fuck for street girls on Soi 4, 1000 to 1500 Baht. There are still guys there trying to negotiate for less than 1 K. The better girls are not interested at all, and won't even take 1 K. You get what you pay for to a certain extent. I found my best performing Soi 4 girl ever, recently. She recognises she can get repeat business for a good fee and a good time. Maybe she is smarter (and prettier) than most.
The better girls in Thermae may cost 3 K, not sure if that includes a Farang surcharge or not. Probably does. Some are clearly not worth it. There may be cheaper girls too. I have struggled to get a really good performance from any really good looking girl (preferably natural) from the Thermae recently. So I am clearly picking the wrong ones. So Thermae is a waste of time and money for me (not like the old days when the girls performed great all night). I do better with gogo bar girls, if in the right venues and make a good choice. However cost is high. Maybe better value if can find a gogo girl to go all night. It is hard to rationalise the cost of gogo girls any more, unless they are magnificent performers. Can see them privately to cut out the BF and drinks costs. Is the bar itself entertaining enough to be worth a visit? Mostly I am going to find special girls. That is all. Not a great place to chat to a buddy.
MP shops can still offer good value for money if can find the girl that works for you. Prices there rose so little in over 10 years. Standard therefore declined. Girls have to do a lot of fucking to make good money.
Houston Player
06-13-19, 04:28
Has Bangkok really become this expensive?Yes sir I think maybe you are a bit out of touch. 2500-3000 has been the norm for several venues for quite some time. There are still cheaper options but Thermae isn't one of them.
Given the strength of the Thai Baht nowadays, Thailand is no longer a cheap option for anything unfortunately.Almost true. Taxis are still so cheap that one can use them every day, and you can eat wisely healthier Thai market food very cheaply (without doing Maccas or KFC). I even know of Vegetarian food stands. You can also rent a room by the month cheaply. So its the sex that is getting expensive really. Clothes and shoes should still be priced okay.
Imported goods have ridiculous prices. The middle man agents make big money for doing nothing. King Power Duty Free is a rip off too. I don't buy from them any more.
Thais make so much less money than Farangs, for the lower classes. Its hard to understand how they can afford to buy their car and fill with petrol. Huge gap between the rich and poor here.
The Thai baht was even stronger when I first came here so it has merely recovered somewhat after bad economic times spread over 30 years and including world economy crises. When is the next one?
Would I spend $50 to $100 extra each day on a more fancy food and hotel or on sex? I would not waste it on the Hotel and food, personally. Priorities! Rebalance required caused by rising cost of mongering, and monger less frequently.
Given the strength of the Thai Baht nowadays, Thailand is no longer a cheap option for anything unfortunately.I haven't noticed the Thai Baht changing much in the last 10 years or so relative to the USD.
What has changed is the prices girls are charging. I agree that Thailand is no longer a cheap option.
No one should have expected the trajectory of the stock market or the USA Economy in general to change in any meanigful way from where they were already going on the occasions of the election or the inauguration of a president. In other words, CNN is fake news since they were reporting/predicting the market would drop if Trump were elected. I can't argue that.
Since the liberal media is also against Brexit, the effects it will have are likely also overblown by the media.
Yes sir I think maybe you are a bit out of touch. 2500-3000 has been the norm for several venues for quite some time. There are still cheaper options but Thermae isn't one of them.I have yet to see or have a Thai gal (and this is in my 20 years here), whose looks and service are worth over 100 USD to me. Sorry, it's just not.
I haven't noticed the Thai Baht changing much in the last 10 years or so relative to the USD.
What has changed is the prices girls are charging. I agree that Thailand is no longer a cheap option.Yes Thai Baht did not go anywhere much since 2007. Down and up a bit. 1997 and before, the Thai baht was virtually pegged to about 25 Baht to the dollar (US).
45 Baht to the dollar in 2001 was not likely to last.
I was here 1991. Girls were very cheap then despite the weaker exchange rate. The massive exchange rate jump may have been a factor in the rises going up so much from late 90's onwards, plus the bad economy. The Japanese and the tourists could simply afford to pay much more than they used to, with better exchange rates.
In other words, CNN is fake news since they were reporting/predicting the market would drop if Trump were elected. I can't argue that.(1) The US Stock market did drop for 1 or 2 days after Trump was elected. It then recovered quickly.
(2) Most Wall Street pundits and Market gurus had made this prediction. All the TV Channels reported this story: CNBC, Bloomberg etc. It was not just CNN.
BKKguru
How do you know the pound won't go up? That reminds me of the people who were saying the US stock market would plummet if Donald Trump was elected. However, it sky rocketed after he was elected. They were dead wrong.And the deficit was supposed to go down as well. Not!
I have yet to see or have a Thai gal (and this is in my 20 years here), whose looks and service are worth over 100 USD to me. Sorry, it's just not.Guys that did expensive (and shitty) homeland mongering may have different idea of what $100 is worth.
For $100 I certainly got better girls than back in home country, for somewhat higher price, however we always thought the Thailand price should be about 20 to 25% of homeland price, but has not really stayed that way for mongering. My last all nighter here including 3 sex bouts seemed okay To me. My problem is I don't really need that much fucking any more.
Yes you always have the right to not buy if is not value for you. You could not get better in the USA, right? Certainly $100 would still be a bargain back in my homeland. Actually I don't know the homeland price. It's too long ago. It is just not anything like the bargain prices for all nighters in 1991. $20 to $30 bucks for all night. That was like dream world. It was a no brainer back then. There just was no point to sleep alone when the hot young eager girl cost so little (a lot less than the Hotel). I was so pissed off to have a wife with me I Thailand, back in 1983, so could not do much. Maybe Cambodia can still be value, especially for girls with no English. A much poorer country very obviously. Very few traffic lights and bridges in Phnom Penh. Many guys moved there to chase value.
So far my cheap Soi 4 girl does not do all night, but maybe for right price I could get a short LT out of her. Maybe 6 hours from 9 PM would be possible. Most girls think they have to work too hard in a LT.
Houston Player
06-13-19, 06:31
I have yet to see or have a Thai gal (and this is in my 20 years here), whose looks and service are worth over 100 USD to me. Sorry, it's just not.Goatscrot I respect you and your posts on this forum for your opinions and advice that you have given over the years. But you sir are sadly living in the past. The only reason I can see that you are unable to find beautiful and excellent performing ladies anymore is because you are unwilling to use the Social media and gogo bars to find talent. It does require more time and effort to find quality companions than in the past however they are still here. By limiting yourself to the spas you are limiting yourself to the quality available in the spas. If I'm correct you also have a live in girlfriend which naturally limits your ability to search for talent.
Since I moved here 10 months ago my largest dilemma each day is which of my many regulars I am going to see today because I surely can't see all of the ones that want to meet me each day. My requirements closely resemble those of EihTooms less the (cip).
I will be 70 in July so age is no excuse. I do spend multiple hours weekly finding and keeping new talent. I do mostly freelance and gog girls but occasionally will date a girl you doesn't think she is a hooker. I never lie to them about wanting a serious relationship I always tell them I only want friends no girlfriend. I normally don't go with girls over 28 years old or 45 kg depending on their height. The regular non hooker ladies (they don't except money for sex) are some of the horniest women I have ever met. Every civilian that I have taken out at least twice has had sex with me most on the first date.
If you would like to meet sometime and tell me your requirements I might let you look through my Line contacts and actually share one of my top perfomers with you just to prove I'm not full of shit and you can still get the quality of lady and service that you have always been able to get in Bangkok it just takes a lot more effort than before.
Almost true. Taxis are still so cheap that one can use them every day, and you can eat wisely healthier Thai market food very cheaply (without doing Maccas or KFC). I even know of Vegetarian food stands. You can also rent a room by the month cheaply. So its the sex that is getting expensive really. Clothes and shoes should still be priced okay.
Imported goods have ridiculous prices. The middle man agents make big money for doing nothing. King Power Duty Free is a rip off too. I don't buy from them any more.
Thais make so much less money than Farangs, for the lower classes. Its hard to understand how they can afford to buy their car and fill with petrol. Huge gap between the rich and poor here.
The Thai baht was even stronger when I first came here so it has merely recovered somewhat after bad economic times spread over 30 years and including world economy crises. When is the next one?
Would I spend $50 to $100 extra each day on a more fancy food and hotel or on sex? I would not waste it on the Hotel and food, personally. Priorities! Rebalance required caused by rising cost of mongering, and monger less frequently.Syzygies.
Priorities? I don't plan to skimp on anything. For me food, hotel & sex are a package deal. I can only screw for so long.
When I first started visiting Thailand I loved the $30 short time for GFE sex plus great food and lodging options. Now with the price bumps, lack of GFE and changing service attitudes why pay the increased prices period?
Based on your posts I think we both share a fair number of years mongering. I have 47 years under my belt. No pun intended. We have both watched great sex markets go to shit. Looks like Thailand is heading downhill.
Better to change venues to visit that offer value.
Russia is on sale at 64 rubles to the dollar. Columbia offers decent value. Canada is on sale with the big drop in oil. When Bangkok starts pricing at FKK levels I would rather hit an FKK. I know its your area of expertise. Plus I like the white meat.
Doesn't make sense to chase Thailand of old which most likely will never come back.
I have Thailand, Germany & Columbia booked this year so far. Probably going to delete Thailand for somewhere else offering better value.
Just my. 02.
Best.
Guido88.
Since I moved here 10 months ago my largest dilemma each day is which of my many regulars I am going to see today because I surely can't see all of the ones that want to meet me each day..Finally amongst all the whinning about the good old days someone posts how its done in modern BKK.
As an aside: "I don't go with girls over 28 years old or 45 kg depending on their height" is funny as fuck. Kudos to you!
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That is when I headed over to Thermae and, for the 3rd time in so many months, take one of the better looking girls on the left side as you walk in the front door, the supposedly "Japanese Only" or "Japanese Preferred" side of their line up around the room. More on that later.
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The better girls in Thermae may cost 3 K, not sure if that includes a Farang surcharge or not. Probably does. Some are clearly not worth it. There may be cheaper girls too. I have struggled to get a really good performance from any really good looking girl (preferably natural) from the Thermae recently. So I am clearly picking the wrong ones. So Thermae is a waste of time and money for me (not like the old days when the girls performed great all night).
...This might be a good time for the Thermae report I mentioned in my earlier post.
Somewhat inadvertently, I conducted an informative (to me) and unofficial survey over the course of three months where I, a 66 year old Caucasian punter, happened to take three different girls, 1 each month, from the left side of the Thermae line up. That side is often referred to as the "Japanese Only" or "Japanese Preferred" side of the bar. Well, I question that assessment. For certain individual girls, of course, they have an ironclad rule on that point, I am sure. But I know it is not true for the whole side or perhaps even most of the girls on that side. I can see what guys mean by it, though. That side seems to have the most or highest percentage of girls stereo-typically thought to be the preference for Japanese punters and who seem to only or mostly indicate interest in going with a Japanese customer.
The girls on the left side are usually better looking with prettier faces, are taller, lighter skinned, slimmer, younger, have better racks or at least something enhanced or natural that can create cleavage. The girls on that side of the bar are the most fully visible from head to toe as they stand there far enough away from the S shaped bar for us to get a good look at their body. This is as opposed to the girls who sit perched on the stools (some standing) around the bar and on the right side of the room as you walk in through the front door.
Each of the three girls I took from the left side during this little casual "test" qualified on those appearance counts.
I should interject all the usual qualifiers and caveats here: There is no way for me to know for sure what they charge other customers, how they behave in the room with other customers, how they treat other customers in the room, whether what they told me in the room was true or a bald faced lie, what they are willing to do for other customers, how much money it would take for them to finally do for me what I needed and preferred, I realize only three "test" subjects is a small sampling, etc. Therefore, YMMV applies as much to this "test" as any other time.
There were a lot of similarities with those three girls in this casual three month "test". Each time, I arrived between 9:30 PM-10:30 PM. In each case, I never got past the left side of the line up, never made it around the room once or even all the way to the back of the room before one of the hotter girls on the left side agreed to go with me at her going rate (as far as I know) of 2,500/3,000 baht for ST. None of the girls smiled at me first, all waited until I smiled broadly at them and I made a simple "Sawatdee krup" (Hello) greeting in Thai. Then they lit up and smiled back. One reached out and grabbed my arm after that. Two had arrived in their own car, parking for two hours free at the nearby Sofitel Hotel and drove with me to my nearby apartment.
Under these circumstances and considering the conditions in Thermae are horrible for negotiating something so far off the modern Thai P4P menu as an upfront agreement to provide a BBFS+CIP, I only negotiated something upfront with the last of the three. That was for a BBBJ+CIM. Otherwise, I decided to do the old "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" bit and, unfortunately, none of the three experiences flowed into a BBFS+CIP result in the room.
I performed DATY on each of the three. And in each case, the girl was not an easy cum. I had to quickly switch from one technique to another, summon all my decades' long DATY acquired knowledge until I found the secret formula for each. Once found, they all seemed to greatly enjoy and appreciate it, as though cumming that way or almost any way during the course of this part time job of theirs was a rare occurrence indeed.
The first girl was actually the only remotely erotic experience of the three for me. Ironically, she was the most adamant about everything being covered at all times no matter what. She pulled out some oil to put on my dick and balls. I told her I really didn't like oil on that area of my body. She seemed crest fallen. Ok, the idea was for me to "go with the flow" and give these girls a chance to show their stuff and demonstrate what all the fuss is about taking one, right? So I let her do her thing. However, as I expected, her thing with oil and a condom, even for BBBJ as mere oral foreplay, only got me up and capable of her riding me cowgirl style for a series of apparently terrific orgasms for her and did nothing to get me closer to finishing wearing a condom. That same thing can happen for me even without that goddam, sticky oil. Maybe she is the one who likes it for her own pleasure.
Therefore, for me there was no finish. And I knew there was not going to be a finish for me as long as a condom was on me. But I paid her the agreed upon 2,500 baht anyway. The other two did provide BBBJ, supposedly attempting to provide a BBBJ+CIM. But their "skills" at this, even with my calm and seemingly well understood instructions, were just hopeless. Consequently, I did not finish with any of these three left side Thermae test subjects. And none of the three seemed to be all that concerned about my not finishing except maybe the last one who I negotiated a BBBJ+CIM with upfront in a booth she insisted I sit in to chat about it first. But her "skills" were the worst of the bunch so I had to abort that mission and insist I was fine without finishing.
In none of the three cases was I inspired to get their Line info for a follow up or a repeat. And none of them asked me for mine.
Again, only three test subjects with these likely "Japanese Only / Preferred" girls is a small sampling. However, it was enough for me to decide that from now on when a hot girl on the left side of the Thermae line up as well as anywhere else in or outside the bar agrees to go with me, I will now negotiate for an upfront agreement for everything important to me in the session. If she balks about it or says no, fine. Next. There is always another one in Thermae. I have had quite good experiences with other Thermae girls fairly recently, let's say 8's to those other girls' 10's by Thermae standards, even during the course of this "Japanese Only / Preferred" test. And a 2,500 baht ST with one of those cute or pretty, young girls is still less costly than many other options around town. But not all other options, for sure.
In other words, CNN is fake news since they were reporting/predicting the market would drop if Trump were elected. I can't argue that.
Since the liberal media is also against Brexit, the effects it will have are likely also overblown by the media.Your chart doesn't go back far enough to show that a increase like that over the course of a 2-3 year period was not only fairly common before Trump was elected, inaugurated or signed his first major economic legislation, there actually has not been as great an increase in the market since any of those events as we'd seen previously.
Go back 10 years and use the much more broadly diversified S&P 500 Index as the measure for USA Stock market performance overall rather than the somewhat irrelevant DOW.
Since December 22, 2017 when the current administration's first major economic legislation was passed, the S&P has gained roughly 7.6% or about 4.35% on an annualized basis (factoring in partial years). Ok, let's be unrealistically generous and go back to the January 20, 2017 inauguration. The S&P has only gained about 11.25% on an annualized basis since then. Going all the way back to the November, 2016 election, although there is no historic precedence for why we should, we have seen a roughly 14% per year/annualized gain since then. Compared to most recent years prior to the election, those are not particularly impressive results at all.
Just sayin'
Goatscrot I respect you and your posts on this forum for your opinions and advice that you have given over the years. But you sir are sadly living in the past. The only reason I can see that you are unable to find beautiful and excellent performing ladies anymore is because you are unwilling to use the Social media and gogo bars to find talent. It does require more time and effort to find quality companions than in the past however they are still here. By limiting yourself to the spas you are limiting yourself to the quality available in the spas. If I'm correct you also have a live in girlfriend which naturally limits your ability to search for talent.
Since I moved here 10 months ago my largest dilemma each day is which of my many regulars I am going to see today because I surely can't see all of the ones that want to meet me each day. My requirements closely resemble those of EihTooms less the (cip).
I will be 70 in July so age is no excuse. I do spend multiple hours weekly finding and keeping new talent. I do mostly freelance and gog girls but occasionally will date a girl you doesn't think she is a hooker. I never lie to them about wanting a serious relationship I always tell them I only want friends no girlfriend. I normally don't go with girls over 28 years old or 45 kg depending on their height. The regular non hooker ladies (they don't except money for sex) are some of the horniest women I have ever met. Every civilian that I have taken out at least twice has had sex with me most on the first date.
If you would like to meet sometime and tell me your requirements I might let you look through my Line contacts and actually share one of my top perfomers with you just to prove I'm not full of shit and you can still get the quality of lady and service that you have always been able to get in Bangkok it just takes a lot more effort than before.Greetings fellow Texan. Oh yes, I agree with you. There are plenty of gals on social media sites and most are willing to go for 1500 - 2 k. I have many friends who use them with much success as you do. Personally, I just don't want to nor do I enjoy putting in the kind of time and effort it takes to weed through the chaff. I don't enjoy the small talk, nor do I really enjoy the meeting up, etc. I have a gal that I have lived with for well over a decade and I truly enjoy spending time with her. When I want to partake, I like to walk into a place, pick out a gal, and have a PSE / GFE and then vamos. I've always been partial to brothels. I imagine if I did not have a live in my approach would be a bit more like yours, but I still would not want to put in that much effort.
As far as GoGos are concerned, the price is just insane IMHO. 1k-1500 BF plus gals wanting 2.5-3k ST. Add in drinks and ST room and you are getting close to 200 USD. Friend is here from BA, Argentina and showing me what he pays about 40-50 USD for ST. Man, some amazing talent. And pop down to Jakarta and prices are more in line as well. Thailand is just not great value in P4P now. Too many tourists year round and fewer and fewer residents. Although some bar owner friends in Pattaya are saying this is the lowest low season they have seen in well over a decade. Perhaps the insane prices are finally catching up!
This might be a good time for the Thermae report I mentioned in my earlier post.
Somewhat inadvertently, I conducted an informative (to me) and unofficial survey over the course of three months where I, a 66 year old Caucasian punter, happened to take three different girls, 1 each month, from the left side of the Thermae line up. That side is often referred to as the "Japanese Only" or "Japanese Preferred" side of the bar. Well, I question that assessment. For certain individual girls, of course, they have an ironclad rule on that point, I am sure. But I know it is not true for the whole side or perhaps even most of the girls on that side. I can see what guys mean by it, though. That side seems to have the most or highest percentage of girls stereo-typically thought to be the preference for Japanese punters and who seem to only or mostly indicate interest in going with a Japanese customer.
The girls on the left side are usually better looking with prettier faces, are taller, lighter skinned, slimmer, younger, have better racks or at least something enhanced or natural that can create cleavage. The girls on that side of the bar are the most fully visible from head to toe as they stand there far enough away from the S shaped bar for us to get a good look at their body. This is as opposed to the girls who sit perched on the stools (some standing) around the bar and on the right side of the room as you walk in through the front door.
Each of the three girls I took from the left side during this little casual "test" qualified on those appearance counts.
I should interject all the usual qualifiers and caveats here: There is no way for me to know for sure what they charge other customers, how they behave in the room with other customers, how they treat other customers in the room, whether what they told me in the room was true or a bald faced lie, what they are willing to do for other customers, how much money it would take for them to finally do for me what I needed and preferred, I realize only three "test" subjects is a small sampling, etc. Therefore, YMMV applies as much to this "test" as any other time.
There were a lot of similarities with those three girls in this casual three month "test". Each time, I arrived between 9:30 PM-10:30 PM. In each case, I never got past the left side of the line up, never made it around the room once or even all the way to the back of the room before one of the hotter girls on the left side agreed to go with me at her going rate (as far as I know) of 2,500/3,000 baht for ST. None of the girls smiled at me first, all waited until I smiled broadly at them and I made a simple "Sawatdee krup" (Hello) greeting in Thai. Then they lit up and smiled back. One reached out and grabbed my arm after that. Two had arrived in their own car, parking for two hours free at the nearby Sofitel Hotel and drove with me to my nearby apartment.
Under these circumstances and considering the conditions in Thermae are horrible for negotiating something so far off the modern Thai P4P menu as an upfront agreement to provide a BBFS+CIP, I only negotiated something upfront with the last of the three. That was for a BBBJ+CIM. Otherwise, I decided to do the old "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" bit and, unfortunately, none of the three experiences flowed into a BBFS+CIP result in the room.
I performed DATY on each of the three. And in each case, the girl was not an easy cum. I had to quickly switch from one technique to another, summon all my decades' long DATY acquired knowledge until I found the secret formula for each. Once found, they all seemed to greatly enjoy and appreciate it, as though cumming that way or almost any way during the course of this part time job of theirs was a rare occurrence indeed.
The first girl was actually the only remotely erotic experience of the three for me. Ironically, she was the most adamant about everything being covered at all times no matter what. She pulled out some oil to put on my dick and balls. I told her I really didn't like oil on that area of my body. She seemed crest fallen. Ok, the idea was for me to "go with the flow" and give these girls a chance to show their stuff and demonstrate what all the fuss is about taking one, right? So I let her do her thing. However, as I expected, her thing with oil and a condom, even for BBBJ as mere oral foreplay, only got me up and capable of her riding me cowgirl style for a series of apparently terrific orgasms for her and did nothing to get me closer to finishing wearing a condom. That same thing can happen for me even without that goddam, sticky oil. Maybe she is the one who likes it for her own pleasure.
Therefore, for me there was no finish. And I knew there was not going to be a finish for me as long as a condom was on me. But I paid her the agreed upon 2,500 baht anyway. The other two did provide BBBJ, supposedly attempting to provide a BBBJ+CIM. But their "skills" at this, even with my calm and seemingly well understood instructions, were just hopeless. Consequently, I did not finish with any of these three left side Thermae test subjects. And none of the three seemed to be all that concerned about my not finishing except maybe the last one who I negotiated a BBBJ+CIM with upfront in a booth she insisted I sit in to chat about it first. But her "skills" were the worst of the bunch so I had to abort that mission and insist I was fine without finishing.
In none of the three cases was I inspired to get their Line info for a follow up or a repeat. And none of them asked me for mine.
Again, only three test subjects with these likely "Japanese Only / Preferred" girls is a small sampling. However, it was enough for me to decide that from now on when a hot girl on the left side of the Thermae line up as well as anywhere else in or outside the bar agrees to go with me, I will now negotiate for an upfront agreement for everything important to me in the session. If she balks about it or says no, fine. Next. There is always another one in Thermae. I have had quite good experiences with other Thermae girls fairly recently, let's say 8's to those other girls' 10's by Thermae standards, even during the course of this "Japanese Only / Preferred" test. And a 2,500 baht ST with one of those cute or pretty, young girls is still less costly than many other options around town. But not all other options, for sure.If they are regulars at Tmae and providing that type of service, then I guess there are dudes that are satisfied with it. I do think that overall the current crop of punters is far less demanding than the generation that was here in the late 90's early 00's.
In other words, CNN is fake news since they were reporting/predicting the market would drop if Trump were elected.Just because they were wrong doesn't mean it was fake news. A prediction about the stock market can never be fake because nobody can ever know for sure what will happen. Not without foreknowledge anyway.
It's just a prediction, not a fact.
How do you know the pound won't go up? That reminds me of the people who were saying the US stock market would plummet if Donald Trump was elected. However, it sky rocketed after he was elected. They were dead wrong.Of course I don't know that for sure. Nobody knows for sure what will happen. I just think the Brexit will have a major impact. Much more than the election of Trump.
As far as GoGos are concerned, the price is just insane IMHO. 1k-1500 BF plus gals wanting 2.5-3k ST. Add in drinks and ST room and you are getting close to 200 USD. Friend is here from BA, Argentina and showing me what he pays about 40-50 USD for ST. Man, some amazing talent. And pop down to Jakarta and prices are more in line as well. Thailand is just not great value in P4P now. Too many tourists year round and fewer and fewer residents. Yep, prices are getting crazy in Thailand. Last time I was in Buenos Aires, the USD was 1 to 1 exchange rate with the Argentine Peso and girls wanted between 100 to 300 USD short time (100 if I pulled them from Cattos or Hook and 300 if I pulled them from the upper class place called Black). Glad to hear the prices have dropped due to their recent economic crash. However, I hear the scene there in BA is not anywhere near as fun as it was back when I was there.
Prices in Venezuela also used to be pretty expensive, but they are dirt cheap now if you are brave enough to venture into that country.
I also hear Angola is cheap now. The girls there are hot. Way hotter than the black girls you see in the streets of Bangkok. Bad infrastructure there though.
Bangkok has it's advantages since it has great infrastructure and it's never boring. These other countries are pretty dead during the day hours.
Yep, prices are getting crazy in Thailand. Last time I was in Buenos Aires, the USD was 1 to 1 exchange rate with the Argentine Peso and girls wanted between 100 to 300 USD short time (100 if I pulled them from Cattos or Hook and 300 if I pulled them from the upper class place called Black). Glad to hear the prices have dropped due to their recent economic crash. However, I hear the scene there in BA is not anywhere near as fun as it was back when I was there.
Prices in Venezuela also used to be pretty expensive, but they are dirt cheap now if you are brave enough to venture into that country.
I also hear Angola is cheap now. The girls there are hot. Way hotter than the black girls you see in the streets of Bangkok. Bad infrastructure there though.
Bangkok has it's advantages since it has great infrastructure and it's never boring. These other countries are pretty dead during the day hours.Clubs in BA are all closed as far as I know and that is where the high prices were. I would imagine Venezuela is amazing at the moment. If I was back in that hemisphere it would be top on my list and I'd be on my way. After it settles just a bit, mongering there will be incredible for a few years as they get the economy back on track. Might be out last chance to have a really great time without paying a fortune. Sad I missed out on Eastern Europe in the early 90's. Man, great looking Czech gals for 10 bucks. Must have been wonderful. People were frightened of Cambodia and stayed away in the late 90's and early 00's, and that is why it was so good. I loved it. Angola, well, I'm just not into black chicks.
Francesco24
06-13-19, 11:08
I have yet to see or have a Thai gal (and this is in my 20 years here), whose looks and service are worth over 100 USD to me. Sorry, it's just not.The cute Ann from Mango long ago. To have someone like her now, I would pay more than that. She's the only one.
I have yet to see or have a Thai gal (and this is in my 20 years here), whose looks and service are worth over 100 USD to me. Sorry, it's just not.That's really harsh. In my last visit to Bangkok in 2015 I saw, in Nataree alone, many gals who were worth above US $100.
Member #4698
06-13-19, 13:53
I have yet to see or have a Thai gal (and this is in my 20 years here), whose looks and service are worth over 100 USD to me. Sorry, it's just not.
That's really harsh. In my last visit to Bangkok in 2015 I saw, in Nataree alone, many gals who were worth above US $100.I hope you guys don't mind me saying this, but this particular discussion is totally subjective and pointless.
Goatscrot does not like the BKK Go Go scene and he is not alone in this view point. It is entirely up to him whether he engages or not. I have no argument with what he prefers to do with his own cash and time.
Houston Player and others have a different point of view which I happen to share more or less. Again IMHO, our individual preferences are totally subjective so unless I am out barhopping with a fellow punter and we are discussing the girls at hand, I don't really see the relevancy of this. Tastes vary and the amount of cash we are willing to spend on girls varies as well.
Recently I was discussing the attributes of various girls with Smoothy and as the conversation progressed it became clear that we have very different tastes in girls. That's fine! I respect our different tastes plus I know he has a large knowledge base which he is willing to share, especially on Jakarta. He can find his type and I will find my type. Sometimes in the same Bar, but often different tastes will lead to a preference for different bars and venues. Its all good.
Turgid, on my last visits to Nataree, just before it was closed down, I found a number of attractive girls and I did partake on numerous occasions. HA HA. Was it worth the $100 and more that I paid? Well, I paid the price and came back for more, so it was obviously ok for me. But for someone else it might have been totally not worth it. The price is what it is. Other BM's can choose to pay or not pay for whatever reason. I don't care.
So, what this forum needs are more reports IMHO. Where did the punter go, who and what did he find there, how much did he pay, and was he happy afterwards. Now reports can be very subjective too, but at least they contain some specific information good or bad which might be useful. I am more inclined, however, to read and take seriously a report from someone I know, knows what they are talking about or with whom I share similar tastes.
PutinEatsJizz
06-13-19, 14:51
In line with the post below and what someone said a few days back, cheap is very 'relative' in 2019.
I'm spending an entire month (closer to 4 weeks) in BKK and exclusively at Thermaes before starting my next job back in the States in 6 weeks. To me it's not about looks or if the girl is worth it or not, but rather what's in my budget and what I'm willing to lose. Kinda like gambling I guess; a personal decision not impacted by external factors.
Member #4698
06-13-19, 15:16
The phrase "it's not worth it" holds no meaning in economic terms although it serves as a personal statement. This is because of the fact that price is determined in the free market by the supply of something and the demand for that something. Only in Communist, Socialist countries, and price regulated markets is this not true.
A free P4P market is absolutely the condition in Thailand despite a couple of obvious quirks, thus I consider the BKK Go Go scene is a good example of a free market at work where nobody forces punters to walk into a Go Go and barfine a girl for 3000 baht, the current market price and likewise, no one forces a girl to go out with a customer for 3000 baht - the girls could offer less if they wanted to and thought it was in their best interests. Guys could walk away. So, it is all voluntary and the resulting price is a fair market value. I don't think anyone can argue with that.
A key peculiarity of the Thai P4 P market, however, is that every December / January there is a huge spike in demand which causes the P4 P Go Go price to rise approximately 250 baht every high season. Then for the rest of the year the girls try to hold to that "sticky" price. If current market conditions were fully operative in low season, I believe the price would be 2000 to 2500 baht as there is just not enough demand to sustain the 3000 baht price and as a consequence many Go Go girls do not get barfined every night or even every few nights. They should lower their price to get more barfines, but due to a national Thai character trait, the girls are very reluctant to do so. I kind of feel sorry for them. Ha Ha. Not really.
But this is one of the main reasons I like to visit Thailand in the low season. The girls are really "friendly" in low season since they are literally starving for customers. I could negotiate price, but I prefer to meet their price and in return I receive a grateful girl very willing to give me GFE and high-quality service. I get that a lot. Other punters can do it their way and negotiate a lower price. Up to them. I believe a lot of guys are getting it for less than 3000 baht, the asking price in low season. So again, it is a free market and no one holds a gun to anyone's head. Guys can do what they think is in their best interest and so can the girls.
Anyway, my point is the free market price is always fair by definition since it is created by supply and demand. And as I stated in the 1st paragraph, the phrase "is the market price worth it?" means nothing in economic terms, although it can mean everything in an individual's own decision making. But until aggregate demand drops off significantly and I mean significantly, I do not expect the price to go down. And whether price continues to rise at the 250 baht per year rate is anyone's guess, but I would not bet against annual, seasonal price rises. Maybe what we need is a futures market on Thai Pussy. 555.
That's really harsh. In my last visit to Bangkok in 2015 I saw, in Nataree alone, many gals who were worth above US $100.I saw some amazing gals yesterday when at Siam Sq. Truthfully, after seeing those gals and then looking at what is available in the P4 P market, it's quite a let down. Would I pay 100 USD for some of those gals at Siam, well probably not, but they sure are impressive.
The phrase "it's not worth it" holds no meaning in economic terms although it serves as a personal statement. This is because of the fact that price is determined in the free market by the supply of something and the demand for that something. Only in Communist, Socialist countries, and price regulated markets is this not true.
A free P4P market is absolutely the condition in Thailand despite a couple of obvious quirks, thus I consider the BKK Go Go scene is a good example of a free market at work where nobody forces punters to walk into a Go Go and barfine a girl for 3000 baht, the current market price and likewise, no one forces a girl to go out with a customer for 3000 baht - the girls could offer less if they wanted to and thought it was in their best interests. Guys could walk away. So, it is all voluntary and the resulting price is a fair market value. I don't think anyone can argue with that.
A key peculiarity of the Thai P4 P market, however, is that every December / January there is a huge spike in demand which causes the P4 P Go Go price to rise approximately 250 baht every high season. Then for the rest of the year the girls try to hold to that "sticky" price. If current market conditions were fully operative in low season, I believe the price would be 2000 to 2500 baht as there is just not enough demand to sustain the 3000 baht price and as a consequence many Go Go girls do not get barfined every night or even every few nights. They should lower their price to get more barfines, but due to a national Thai character trait, the girls are very reluctant to do so. I kind of feel sorry for them. Ha Ha. Not really.
But this is one of the main reasons I like to visit Thailand in the low season. The girls are really "friendly" in low season since they are literally starving for customers. I could negotiate price, but I prefer to meet their price and in return I receive a grateful girl very willing to give me GFE and high-quality service. I get that a lot. Other punters can do it their way and negotiate a lower price. Up to them. I believe a lot of guys are getting it for less than 3000 baht, the asking price in low season. So again, it is a free market and no one holds a gun to anyone's head. Guys can do what they think is in their best interest and so can the girls.
Anyway, my point is the free market price is always fair by definition since it is created by supply and demand. And as I stated in the 1st paragraph, the phrase "is the market price worth it?" means nothing in economic terms, although it can mean everything in an individual's own decision making. But until aggregate demand drops off significantly and I mean significantly, I do not expect the price to go down. And whether price continues to rise at the 250 baht per year rate is anyone's guess, but I would not bet against annual, seasonal price rises. Maybe what we need is a futures market on Thai Pussy. 555.I would say that there is no such thing as a "free market" in any context and the BKK GoGo scene is quite far away from most aspects os what's deemed a "free market," especially with mamasans who are flash signs in front of dudes with the prices on them and with gals sticking to set prices no matter how low the customer base has become. Remember in Thailand when there are less customers for any business, the modus operandi is to raise prices, not lower them. Price is not always driven by supply and demand. It is a factor, but not always the primary factor. Cultural aspects such as "face" have a huge impact on pricing here in many industries. Pressure from other gals is huge. Get 2. 5 k one night and taking 2 k subsequently is a blow to you. Some gals will rather make nothing than take less than they think they are "worth. ".
Competition does not always drive price down nor increase the level of service in this country as it might in the West. You would think that when the large numbers of oilies opened after 2010 there would be lots of competition for customers and each shop would be striving to provide better service at the best price. Nope, service levels decreased. In groups many of the locals tend to work towards the lowest common denominator. Take Pin who used to work in Boss and now works Soi 4. She was castigated by not only the gals at Boss but the mamasan for providing service that was too good! I kid you not. She told me that was one of the main reasons she left.
Another example, traditional massage shops, they pretty much all stick to the same price in the Sukhumvit area, and again you would think if one were to drop their prices, they'd clean up. Same with GoGo bars, drop the BF a bit and have good drink prices all night, and ka-ching! But no, we don't see that. Pressure to keep prices high comes from many different sources.
Thais think about business far differently than we do.
I agree with you that "worth" is for the most part subjective. Paying 150 USD up for a ST with an Isaan bar girl is certainly not "worth" it to me.
And since you mentioned reports, I have added one in Except Tulip and Annies just now.
The cute Ann from Mango long ago. To have someone like her now, I would pay more than that. She's the only one.She was just amazing. One of the best oily girls, if not the best oily gal ever. Gorgeous, horny, and just filthy. She got so wet during every session I had with her. Yep, I might cough up a C-note for her as well.
I would say that there is no such thing as a "free market" in any context and the BKK GoGo scene is quite far away from most aspects os what's deemed a "free market,"
SNIP Good analysis Goat. I'm with you here. It's indeed not a free market and I would like to add another reason for that: just like anywhere else in the world the P4 P business is for the most part regulated by criminals, like mafia, pimps, mamasans, papasans, money launderers etc. It's usually not a legitimate business, conforming to laws and rules.
There is no such thing as a free market any where in the world. People like to talk about the free market in capitalism. That is hogwash. The elite bankers (especially the Federal Reserve in the US and Central Bank in other countries) who control the government determine the market. They decide on the raising or lowering of interest rates and prices generally in order to continually increase their profits. In capitalist society as in any other society the people who wield the power control the market. Similarly, in the Thailand p4p industry there are covert syndicates that are influential in overseeing prices. Establishments cannot raise or lower (especially lower) prices as they may wish.
There is no such thing as a free market any where in the world. People like to talk about the free market in capitalism. That is hogwash. The elite bankers (especially the Federal Reserve in the US and Central Bank in other countries) who control the government determine the market. They decide on the raising or lowering of interest rates and prices generally in order to continually increase their profits. In capitalist society as in any other society the people who wield the power control the market. Similarly, in the Thailand p4p industry there are covert syndicates that are influential in overseeing prices. Establishments cannot raise or lower (especially lower) prices as they may wish.Yep, could not agree more. Free market = unicorn.
Member #4698
06-14-19, 14:40
Goat and Turgid, I don't see how you guys can say the BKK Go Go scene it is not a free market since there is no price enforcement mechanism and customers and girls can agree to any price and any arrangement they choose since it is a private, cash transaction between two people. But as I pointed out, prices are sticky because the girls are very reluctant to lower their price due to national peculiarities concerning Thai culture and "face. " Nonetheless the girls do vary their price all the time depending mostly on how much they need cash and whether they like the customer or not. Remember that in a previous post I said I thought the set price is the free market price based on high season aggregate supply and demand. The problem comes into play during low season when the December/January price no longer clears the market and girls are not getting barfined every night or even every week. In low season the stated price is obviously set to high, but there are market solutions to this problem.
For example, I can't recall the number of times I have made special arrangements to meet a Go Go girl or girls before work or on her or their day off. I could arrange after work sessions too, but I do not like the hours because I am usually well taken care of before they get off work and I like my beauty sleep. But when a Go Go girl comes over in the afternoon to see me, she is completely cutting out the bar, no barfine, so call it what you want, free market or grey market whatever, I am not paying the set retail price and this happens all the time.
Another example would be the ease with which a lower price from the stated set price can be obtained from many, many Go Go girls through brief negotiation. Like I have said a number of times, I do not care to negotiate because I personally feel it hurts the vibe, but I am absolutely sure that many customers do negotiate price especially now in low season and as a result they are paying under the set price currently pegged at 3000 baht. Many Go Go girls will agree to something like 2500 or even 2000 baht for ST, but then ask that the customer not tell mamasan or not tell her friends and the customer would have to be a total idiot to violate that request.
So yeah, I think the BKK P4P Go Go market is free, unregulated, and ultimately determined by supply and demand conditions. That does not mean there are not influences and pressures both from above (management / mamasans), from Thai cultural factors, and from group influence / peer pressure on the girls to conform and maintain a certain set price level, but without enforcement the girls will do what they want to do and what is in their own best interests a majority of the time, so in the end, it is a free market especially since customers too are free to do what they want like walk away if they feel the price is too high. This all feels like a free market to me, but with Thai style sticky prices to finesse and work around. 555.
Crocodilexp
06-14-19, 20:16
I would say that there is no such thing as a "free market" in any context and the BKK GoGo scene is quite far away from most aspects os what's deemed a "free market," especially with mamasans who are flash signs in front of dudes with the prices on them and with gals sticking to set prices no matter how low the customer base has become. Remember in Thailand when there are less customers for any business, the modus operandi is to raise prices, not lower them. Price is not always driven by supply and demand. It is a factor, but not always the primary factor.Amen. Closest thing to a free market in our hobby used to be freelancers who negotiate with customers one-on-one without middlemen or social pressure. Sure, they still face internal pressures (face and the sense of self-worth), but they could rationalize that away by liking certain customers more than others.
Sadly, the era of plentiful and decent freelancers in Bangkok is long gone. Thermae has freelancers, but doesn't count since negotiations there can be seen by everyone, and a fairly high price floor (about 2500ST) is informally, but strictly, enforced.
As for supply and demand, that has not been going in our favor for years now. Supply is way lower (especially if you count the looks), demand is more or less constant, or maybe even increasing due to punters from new markets (India and China).
I remember the times when supply was so plentiful that the asking price (of freelancers) was often "up to you", knowing that chances are the punter will either pay the going rate (1000 baht ST) or overpay. If they quoted a high price they could lose a customer (easy to move on to another girl, with so many around), and if they quoted the going rate, lose the potential extra (often substantial). Was not that long ago, about 10 years, but seems almost like an impossible fairy tale these days.
So, what this forum needs are more reports IMHO. Where did the punter go, who and what did he find there, how much did he pay, and was he happy afterwards. Now reports can be very subjective too, but at least they contain some specific information good or bad which might be useful. I am more inclined, however, to read and take seriously a report from someone I know, knows what they are talking about or with whom I share similar tastes.Nattty,
Your reports are always appreciated by me.
The first part of my recent visit to BKK is on page 15. It had what your talking about here and it got zero recognition from the group of 6 who dominate this forum. It got zero recognition from those here that do not dominate the forum. I tried to help out w my relevant info (and story) and was basically ignored.
CzarNicholas
06-14-19, 20:50
Goat and Turgid, I don't see how you guys can say the BKK Go Go scene it is not a free market since there is no price enforcement mechanism and customers and girls can agree to any price and any arrangement they choose since it is a private, cash transaction between two people. But as I pointed out, prices are sticky because the girls are very reluctant to lower their price due to national peculiarities concerning Thai culture and "face. " Nonetheless the girls do vary their price all the time depending mostly on how much they need cash and whether they like the customer or not. Remember that in a previous post I said I thought the set price is the free market price based on high season aggregate supply and demand. The problem comes into play during low season when the December/January price no longer clears the market and girls are not getting barfined every night or even every week. In low season the stated price is obviously set to high, but there are market solutions to this problem..Walk into most bars in BKK and the prices are the same for every girl the #1 girl to the worst of the bunch.
Is that your idea of a free market at work?
That's called price-fixing and collusion in its purest form!
Banana Boi
06-14-19, 22:07
I remember the times when supply was so plentiful that the asking price (of freelancers) was often "up to you", Even as recent as 2 years ago gogo girl prices in Pattaya for me at least were 'up to you'. They still may be but since I never discuss price before I take a girl they have no chance to respond up to you or whatever rate they are seeking. I pay my girls fairly. All the gogo girls in the city know that. Having a good reputation matters.
As for Thermae being a free market wasn't there a newbie hotshot last month who said he was pulling in pretty thermae girls for 1000 or 1500 baht? If that is at all true thermae would be considered a free market. I always pay 2500 at thermae with a possible small tip if she was exceptional and allowed pics.
Guys its a no brainer. When a girl says "its up to you" she already has a price in her head and she's hoping that you would offer her more. The issue about free market is obviously related to the published price in establishments that is understood by those concerned to be the fare that is to be paid which is not dependent on the vagaries of the market but is set by those in control based on obtaining the maximum profit possible. This is not related to freelance girls who can charge what they want; they can offer you 100 baht LT if they so desire or 10,000 baht ST if they happen upon a customer with remarkable naivety, for instance.
CzarNicholas
06-14-19, 22:54
Even as recent as 2 years ago gogo girl prices in Pattaya for me at least were 'up to you'. They still may be but since I never discuss price before I take a girl they have no chance to respond up to you or whatever rate they are seeking. I pay my girls fairly. All the gogo girls in the city know that. Having a good reputation matters.
As for Thermae being a free market wasn't there a newbie hotshot last month who said he was pulling in pretty thermae girls for 1000 or 1500 baht? If that is at all true thermae would be considered a free market. I always pay 2500 at thermae with a possible small tip if she was exceptional and allowed pics.Please explain fair? According to whom? Would I call it fair?
Having a good reputation? For what? Overpaying?
If one doesn't ever negotiate a lower price is that not by definition overpaying?
If that's what qualifies one for a good reputation in Pattaya please count me out.
Can I ask what you require as a minimum for service? Do you have a minimum? Lots of latex?
So yeah, I think the BKK P4P Go Go market is free, unregulated, and ultimately determined by supply and demand conditions. That does not mean there are not influences and pressures both from above (management / mamasans), from Thai cultural factors, and from group influence / peer pressure on the girls to conform and maintain a certain set price level, but without enforcement the girls will do what they want to do and what is in their own best interests a majority of the time, so in the end, it is a free market especially since customers too are free to do what they want like walk away if they feel the price is too high. This all feels like a free market to me, but with Thai style sticky prices to finesse and work around. 555.Natty, I think Turgid and I are stating that there is no such thing as a free market, anywhere or at anytime. I would say that all the factors you list above are what makes it not a "free market. " It is regulated, by the business owner, which is still regulation. For one, there is pressure for the gal to get a certain number of BFs per month, so she is certainly not "free to choose" who she wants to go with at all times. I think the myth of the "free market" is that people do what is in their best interests and we all have a jolly good time.
Natty, I think Turgid and I are stating that there is no such thing as a free market, anywhere or at anytime. I would say that all the factors you list above are what makes it not a "free market. " It is regulated, by the business owner, which is still regulation. For one, there is pressure for the gal to get a certain number of BFs per month, so she is certainly not "free to choose" who she wants to go with at all times. I think the myth of the "free market" is that people do what is in their best interests and we all have a jolly good time.Probably closest thing to free market in LOS are the discos like Insanity, Mixx etc. I recall a couple of years ago in Climax (when it was open) girls asking for 5 k LT would usually find few takers but later at night would be reducing as the ones asking 3 k or less were being taken away. Of course there are probably other factors like end of month with rent due, mutual attraction etc but point being they are subjected to much less pressure to conform to any rates & stuff in this environment I would think.
Natty, I think Turgid and I are stating that there is no such thing as a free market, anywhere or at anytime. You don't think free lancer pickups at local night spots is a negotiable free market price? In Jakarta, the price varies each night depending on supply and demand. If there are lots of guys there that night, the price is higher than the nights where there are very few guys. It also depends how many girls are there and how good looking they are. The hottest girls do charge more because they know they are higher demand. I can get a plain jane in the same bar for much cheaper. I have given the exact same girl different amounts on different nights depending on supply and demand that night. The price also drops drastically right around closing time if the girl hasn't found anyone to take her yet. Sounds like a free market to me.
Franciscass
06-15-19, 08:13
I have to side with the argument that supply and demand does not apply in the go go bar scene in the same way it operates in mainstream commerce where it holds true for commonly traded commodities but to a lesser extent for services when elasticity on either side restricts equivalency.
In my opinion prices in most go go's are by and large set by the owner / operators and do not fluctuate with changes in either demand or supple. Are prices cheaper in July when compared to December?
Of course.
It is true individual girls will occasionally depending on circumstances discreetly and I emphasis discreetly negotiate and leave with you for less than the prescribed fee but this does not come close to making it a free market.
Banana Boi
06-15-19, 08:39
I have given the exact same girl different amounts on different nights depending on supply and demand that night. The price also drops drastically right around closing time if the girl hasn't found anyone to take her yet. Sounds like a free market to me.Another reason why Jakarta is so much better than Thailand on so many levels. Imagine trying to pay a Thai FL 1000 baht for ST when you previously paid her 1500 baht?
Thai train of thought is if a girl only gets 1 customer per night during low season when she gets 2 customers per night during high season she doubles her price during low season so she can make the same amount of money.
I am really bemused by guys who think the P4P industry follows the free market system. How can an industry in a country where P4P prices increase during low season or during a period when there are less clients be a free market? That is the opposite of a free market if ever there was one. Its against the laws of supply and demand.
I am really bemused by guys who think the P4P industry follows the free market system. How can an industry in a country where P4P prices increase during low season or during a period when there are less clients be a free market? That is the opposite of a free market if ever there was one. Its against the laws of supply and demand.Well for a start you can't expect all girls to be the same price. They will go for what they can get, and depending on how difficult is the customer too. Don't expect them to drop the price when they know they can get more. Some girls on Soi 4 though, have to go for 1 K because no one will pay more. They just don't have the looks or performance.
Girls working in a fixed price MP will necessarily be mostly of a lower standard of looks because they could get more money elsewhere. However the girls still vary a lot. In Dozo, 80% of the girls just did not want to do me at all. Japanese / Korean / Chinese only. Dozo did not offer me a surcharge price. The 3 girls on offer were not sexy enough for my taste.
Low season, or economic crash, sees girls getting less customers, so they need to make more per customer than before. Somewhat reverse logic.
Sometimes girls are forced to leave a bar, because they can't compete with the other girls, and probably failed to offer customers super bargains. If they offered me a bargain, I would not take it. I want the pretty girls, even if not cheapest.
You don't think free lancer pickups at local night spots is a negotiable free market price? In Jakarta, the price varies each night depending on supply and demand. If there are lots of guys there that night, the price is higher than the nights where there are very few guys. It also depends how many girls are there and how good looking they are. The hottest girls do charge more because they know they are higher demand. I can get a plain jane in the same bar for much cheaper. I have given the exact same girl different amounts on different nights depending on supply and demand that night. The price also drops drastically right around closing time if the girl hasn't found anyone to take her yet. Sounds like a free market to me.No I don't. In FL joints it is driven by what the gal thinks she is worth or deserves and a lot by peer pressure from her friends. She won't back off a price even if she is hungry. Jakarta gals are probably wise enough to come off those prices when needed. BKK, fat chance.
Another reason why Jakarta is so much better than Thailand on so many levels. Imagine trying to pay a Thai FL 1000 baht for ST when you previously paid her 1500 baht?
Thai train of thought is if a girl only gets 1 customer per night during low season when she gets 2 customers per night during high season she doubles her price during low season so she can make the same amount of money.Yes, same goes for many things here in LOS.
I am really bemused by guys who think the P4P industry follows the free market system. How can an industry in a country where P4P prices increase during low season or during a period when there are less clients be a free market? That is the opposite of a free market if ever there was one. Its against the laws of supply and demand.It disproves the law of supply and demand. It isn't a law, it's an idea. An idea that is often abused. And in Thailand it is just an idea sometimes. Normally not. Even in the shopping malls. I'm sure most of you know that the major dept stores in Thailand hold very little merchandise. They rent space to the brand's distributor, so that X brand at Central and X brand at Emporium is actually the same folks. That's why there is no real price competition and why you will see the same prices all over town. There has been a bit of improvement with some outlets opening up.
She won't back off a price even if she is hungry.I don't agree with that. Right now, guys still have not returned after the end of Ramadan so customers are sparse in Jakarta. The free lance girls have dropped their prices from their normal asking. They also drop it during Ramadan right before they go home because they absolutely must have some money, they can't afford to go home alone any night unless there is no interest. Their families are quite demanding for cash at that time of year and there are few tourists or even expats in town due to Ramadan.
They do have "loss of face" issues when they get less money than the average. But I've been around long enough that they know I will never tell any girl how much I gave a different girl. If you are negotiating with a girl and tell her "I only gave that girl half of what you are asking!" You just screwed yourself because you just raised the price for every girl you meet from then on since none of them will trust you to keep your mouth shut about money.
Yes, same goes for many things here in LOS.Very similar here in Mexico as well.
My suspicion is that the same "philosophy" exists in many developing countries and it is 180 degrees different from the way a "business" is run in, say, the US.
In a developing country, if you lack customers you raise prices to make more money from the same customer base. In the US, if you lack customers, you have a "sale" to get more customers so you can make more money.
I don't agree with that. Right now, guys still have not returned after the end of Ramadan so customers are sparse in Jakarta. The free lance girls have dropped their prices from their normal asking. They also drop it during Ramadan right before they go home because they absolutely must have some money, they can't afford to go home alone any night unless there is no interest. Their families are quite demanding for cash at that time of year and there are few tourists or even expats in town due to Ramadan.
They do have "loss of face" issues when they get less money than the average. But I've been around long enough that they know I will never tell any girl how much I gave a different girl. If you are negotiating with a girl and tell her "I only gave that girl half of what you are asking!" You just screwed yourself because you just raised the price for every girl you meet from then on since none of them will trust you to keep your mouth shut about money.Thais are very different than Indonesians.
Franciscass
06-16-19, 04:09
Pricing is different in different segments. Absolutely supply and demand plays a part on what you pay on the street but hardly at all in the go go scene where it more controlled by owners / operators.
If girls in a go go bar are not making enough money, will they drop their prices? IF what other posters write can be believed, they reckon can still get girls for low prices. I don't know how low is the standard of the girls or if the posters are truthful.
I think what is more prevalent is the girl will go to a different bar. I did one pretty girl in Baccara a couple of times, then she went to get a tit job. Not good. She then moved to Tilac, maybe not enough customers in Baccara.
2 other very poor performing girls Chocolate and Praow probably got no repeats in Doll House. Those two moved to Crazy house. Chocolate got a bad tit job done and had a baby.
Had a good time with Pin in Boss massage. She soon turned working the street on Soi 4. She was superior looking to most Soi 4 girls and explained she made more money there with a lot more customers.
If girls can't cut it in Thermae, they will soon move on and try elsewhere. Would they lower the price in Thermae? Maybe. Doubtful? But if they start on Soi 4 it will be a lower price.
In my line of work, I need the money, so rather than drop my prices, I am more likely to give them a lot of extra hours for free. They will get value. Win win. Some girls are smart enough to give extra special and time service for a bit more money but not all. The girls are not economics experts. Some idiots proposed that all girls should cost the same amount for fuck, regardless of looks and service and time. Obsurd! I am an expert in my technical field. Would stupid if I charged the same as every dumb non expert. However there will be charlatans that charge more of course, but what is delivered will be very average or worse.
CzarNicholas
06-16-19, 04:57
If girls in a go go bar are not making enough money, will they drop their prices? IF what other posters write can be believed, they reckon can still get girls for low prices. I don't know how low is the standard of the girls or if the posters are truthful.
I think what is more prevalent is the girl will go to a different bar. I did one pretty girl in Baccara a couple of times, then she went to get a tit job. Not good. She then moved to Tilac, maybe not enough customers in Baccara.
2 other very poor performing girls Chocolate and Praow probably got no repeats in Doll House. Those two moved to Crazy house. Chocolate got a bad tit job done and had a baby.
Had a good time with Pin in Boss massage. She soon turned working the street on Soi 4. She was superior looking to most Soi 4 girls and explained she made more money there with a lot more customers..I saw a girl staring at me and smiling in thermae sitting on the island in the middle, in either Dec? Jan or Feb. I was with mr tooms, he noticed her smiling at me, I wasn't really interested.
A few days later I ran into her working on soi 4, I didn't know it was her but she remembered me, she was happy to see me, gave me her line and offered 1000 b session, I said maybe tomorrow? LOL.
I was still not interested, but I'm guessing her price would have been different in thermae? She was standing by the huge glass store front tattoo shop, I forget the name of it?
Isn't this called dynamic-pricing LMAO.
If girls in a go go bar are not making enough money, will they drop their prices? IF what other posters write can be believed, they reckon can still get girls for low prices. I don't know how low is the standard of the girls or if the posters are truthful.
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If girls can't cut it in Thermae, they will soon move on and try elsewhere. Would they lower the price in Thermae? Maybe. Doubtful? But if they start on Soi 4 it will be a lower price.
...Of course, this is purely anecdotal, but one of my hotter than most Left Side Thermae girls in my report a few days back went from 3,000 baht to 2,500 baht without my even saying anything, just hesitating a bit. During our discussion in the booth, she said she was giving me a discount (LOL. Who knows) because she and other girls were nervous that the cops were going to shut down Thermae again for drug testing any night. Apparently, Thermae's management had not been paying enough rice money lately or not in a timely manner. The cops had done that a couple of times in the recent past and the girls, for a while at least, were worried that they would be stuck in there for hours again with no chance of a customer while everyone was being tested.
Saw that girl in Thermae again last night. Aside from her and a handful of others, have to say Thermae's line up about 10:30 PM was one of the worst in terms of looks alone I have ever seen. I used to doubt or think it was an overstatement when guys said they could not find anything worth taking from Thermae on a given night. But last night would have been one of those nights for me. That particular girl I'd taken before was sitting with a youngish Japanese guy having a drink, discussing whatever and signaled for me to come over when he left to go to the toilet for a few minutes. Just to ask when I would take her again. But I would never bother to take her again without a full upfront agreement for BBFS+CIP, even if she offered me a discount under duress down to 500 baht.
So were you at Kazy or at Kozy? Kazy is the downstairs bar and Kozy is the upstairs bar. Different management apparently from what I was told by the staff, and possibly totally different styles. Kozy upstairs was reported to try to attract Asian customers like upstairs at Penny Black.
I'll do some searching on what Kazy and Kozy are. Guessing the replace the restaurant on the corner of Cowboy? Maybe work a visit this week.
But I've only used Penny Black as a ST hotel. What is upstairs?
I'll do some searching on what Kazy and Kozy are. Guessing the replace the restaurant on the corner of Cowboy? Maybe work a visit this week.
But I've only used Penny Black as a ST hotel. What is upstairs?Kazy Kozy has opened in place of Old Dutch. Kozy upstairs will not open until Kazy has too many customers. Seems it is really the same business.
If you are a guy that used to like Crazy House a few years back, then I think Kazy can work for you. It is already superior to CH for me, by the standard and types of the girls, more natural girls less surgeries.
I don't like the time wasted by running shows though. Kazy is not as good as CH when it first opened.
I already posted a lot more detail in previous reports. Forget about Penny Black. Some sort of karaoke maybe.
Saw that girl in Thermae again last night. Aside from her and a handful of others, have to say Thermae's line up about 10:30 PM was one of the worst in terms of looks alone I have ever seen. I used to doubt or think it was an overstatement when guys said they could not find anything worth taking from Thermae on a given night. But last night would have been one of those nights for me. .I left Thermae many times empty handed. I would do the circuit and mentally note maybe 2 or 3 girls, but then would fail to get any of them. They would show zero interest or be taken by a Japanese guy very quick and lively. Clearly I was not picking really average looking girls. When I did get a girl, possibly more average looking, they proved unsatisfactory one way or another: surgeries, restrictions, dick scared, or disappointing body (hidden by clothing). Poor luck, or just a guy in the wrong place? Need to improve my selection technique clearly. "Girly can you just strip off for a moment first, give me a big tongue kiss and assure me you are desperate for extended time Farang cock?"
Maybe Thermae is a place where we need to see which girls want us the most, and then decide if they are doable or not. Not really my style. Plenty of chubby or average girls giving me the look, but I did not bite.
Clearly I am too slow to choose. Other guys work fast.
............ During our discussion in the booth, she said she was giving me a discount (LOL. Who knows) ............Reminds me of a place I mongered in many years ago (can't recall where) where I would enter the establishment and the girls would come up to me saying "promotion, promotion" and would state the price which they claim was a reduced price. It was their sales pitch.
I already posted a lot more detail in previous reports. Forget about Penny Black. Some sort of karaoke maybe.Penny Black is actually quite a cool place. It is a nightclub focusing only on Hip-Hop music. So if you are into this spesific music genre it is actually one of the best in Bangkok. The entry downstairs to Penny Black has a bar and also now has outside seating. Nice place for people watching but very small. First floor is a newly remade pool bar. Second floor is a Karaoke bar. Third floor is the nightclub. Above is a short time hotel, but I never tried it. All venues has been updated recently with very nice decor in urban style. So all in all this complex is a very cool part of Soi Cowboy, but it is hard to see from the outside. All venues are owned by the same owner that operate Long Gun and Cactus. The nightclub gets going from 2-3 am and is popular by go-go girls after their work. Some nights can be really good here and the place is packed. I personally can not stand most of the music in go-go bars. I like classic rock from the 60- and 70's. But for some weird reason I am into Hip Hop! Combined with lots of sexy girls some nights this is one of the best nightclubs in Bangkok for me. Compared to Therma it is heaven!
Crocodilexp
06-16-19, 17:37
A few days later I ran into her working on soi 4, I didn't know it was her but she remembered me, she was happy to see me, gave me her line and offered 1000 b session, I said maybe tomorrow? LOL.
I was still not interested, but I'm guessing her price would have been different in thermae?Yes, it would have. It's common for girls to have a different price in different venues.
In Pattaya it's especially common for the same girl to ask 700 on Beach Road and substantially more on Walking Street or in the discos.
I saw a girl staring at me and smiling in thermae sitting on the island in the middle, in either Dec? Jan or Feb. I was with mr tooms, he noticed her smiling at me, I wasn't really interested.
A few days later I ran into her working on soi 4, I didn't know it was her but she remembered me, she was happy to see me, gave me her line and offered 1000 b session, I said maybe tomorrow? LOL.
I was still not interested, but I'm guessing her price would have been different in thermae? She was standing by the huge glass store front tattoo shop, I forget the name of it?
Isn't this called dynamic-pricing LMAO.Venue specific pricing has always been part of the Bkk FL scene.
I already posted a lot more detail in previous reports.Found them. Thanks. As our tastes are similar, I'll need to check it out.
But for some weird reason I am into Hip Hop! Combined with lots of sexy girls some nights this is one of the best nightclubs in Bangkok for me. Compared to Therma it is heaven!I love hip hop. But 2 AM I want to be in bed. Really hope reincarnation is real. I need to reincarnate into a younger body!
I saw a girl staring at me and smiling in thermae sitting on the island in the middle, in either Dec? Jan or Feb. I was with mr tooms, he noticed her smiling at me, I wasn't really interested.
She was not only staring and smiling, she had to crane her neck from where she was sitting and look behind her, back in our direction to keep giving you goo-goo eyes. LOL. That is why I noticed her. I don't remember her too specifically except that I thought she seemed more in line with what is on offer at Thermae rather than what is typically seen standing on Soi 4. And I can't say I have seen her in either venue or location since a week or so after we saw her at Thermae. Maybe she tried to hold firm to her likely 2,500 baht Thermae rate on Soi 4, got discouraged and decided to take it online.
CzarNicholas
06-17-19, 04:22
I love hip hop. But 2 AM I want to be in bed. Really hope reincarnation is real. I need to reincarnate into a younger body!I've never been happier and I'm 51 yo.
Speaking of which? Any members over 75?
I'd love to hear what to expect as we get older?
Can we monger when we are 80? 85? 90? 95?
Please opine.
Found them. Thanks. As our tastes are similar, I'll need to check it out.Not really. I hate hip hop (mostly with exceptions). Still I am older so makes sense. Definitely Rock for me although not the 60s more the 80s (too young for 60s).
I did think one of your ex GFs was really nice to talk to and desirable, but seems you left her. Ha ha. Can't recall her name now. Hidden drawbacks I guess.
Most of my GFs left me, but with one I was persistent enough to get her back.
Not really. I hate hip hop (mostly with exceptions). Still I am older so makes sense. Definitely Rock for me although not the 60s more the 80s (too young for 60s).
I did think one of your ex GFs was really nice to talk to and desirable, but seems you left her. Ha ha. Can't recall her name now. Hidden drawbacks I guess.
Most of my GFs left me, but with one I was persistent enough to get her back.I definitely meant when it comes to girls, not music. Natural. Thin. No surgeries.
The one you are referring to, from Buriram, is living in Scandinavia.
LittleBigMan
06-17-19, 08:50
Penny Black is actually quite a cool place. It is a nightclub focusing only on Hip-Hop music. So if you are into this spesific music genre it is actually one of the best in Bangkok. The entry downstairs to Penny Black has a bar and also now has outside seating. Nice place for people watching but very small. First floor is a newly remade pool bar. Second floor is a Karaoke bar. Third floor is the nightclub. Above is a short time hotel, but I never tried it. All venues has been updated recently with very nice decor in urban style. So all in all this complex is a very cool part of Soi Cowboy, but it is hard to see from the outside. All venues are owned by the same owner that operate Long Gun and Cactus. The nightclub gets going from 2-3 am and is popular by go-go girls after their work. Some nights can be really good here and the place is packed. I personally can not stand most of the music in go-go bars. I like classic rock from the 60- and 70's. But for some weird reason I am into Hip Hop! Combined with lots of sexy girls some nights this is one of the best nightclubs in Bangkok for me. Compared to Therma it is heaven!Thanks for the update on this place, 10 years back when the place opened I stayed there for a day and night prior to leaving for an early morning flight back to the USA They had a promotional rate something like 700 baht, the place as noted was small but the room was really nice and decorated well still remember the night I spent there with a girl I met at Annie's a real gem and stunner a night to this day I still remember and dream about. Last year, walking around Soi Cowboy I dropped by out of curiosity old time sake and keeping options opened what the prices for rooms noted I believe 1500 baht nothing mention about them being ST rooms, and did noticed the club.
Whenever I visit Bangkok I usually stay around the Nana Area out of old habits which is at the Nana Hotel for one reason alone in the old days the Disco, which got going around 1 AM, the place was packed with freelancer easy to just take the elevator to your room sounds like Penny Black might be something very similar today which is something to check out but the drawback can I stay up that late? Boy how things have changed?
GinAndTonic555
06-17-19, 10:17
Penny Black is actually quite a cool place. It is a nightclub focusing only on Hip-Hop music. So if you are into this spesific music genre it is actually one of the best in Bangkok. !I never even knew this place existed. One thing I always find lacking in BKK is late night clubs compared to Pattaya. The clubs all close early.
Is there any other good late night clubs these days? Whats the best club to find hotties nowadays in BKK? I know of Mixx, levels, and Insomnia but they haven't given me the best of luck so far.
I used to love Climax. That place was always good for a pickup. I had quite a few fun nights in Bangkok Beat before it closed. Was more of a MILFy crowd in there but sometimes you could find a gem.
I definitely meant when it comes to girls, not music. Natural. Thin. No surgeries.
The one you are referring to, from Buriram, is living in Scandinavia.I sympathize with Thais in Scandinavia. Air is too cold and dry causing a lot of sinus problems.
Cleaners in my Stockholm hotel were Thai so I chatted to them about adjustment problems and to find out if there were any decent Thai restaurants.
I have an ex Thai semi-GF living there now. She seems to cope with the weather, but I cannot.
I now live part time in very rural Thailand. Hot and sticky, bugs and dust.
Supply of pretty non surgeries girls is getting thin these days in Bangkok P4P scene. Some seem to like the surgeries.
still remember the night I spent there with a girl I met at Annie's a real gem and stunner a night to this day I still remember and dream about. Wow you dropped off the name on purpose? Can't say I met any stunning enough to still dream about at Annies. I do say a small number were very doable and even had some LTs with Aor (pre sillies). Her big nose stopped her from being stunning but quite nice.
Eventually they phased out LT take outs I believe.
Gannaton48
06-17-19, 13:10
Hi guys! Although I have been often to BKK, never went to Thaniya; but see so many attractive gilrs outside on videos, so must have a look. Question: are these many girls sitting outside on the street in various outfits just to attract into a Karaoke club or it is possible to take them directly to hotel? If so, how much do they ask for? (I am european, not asian). Thanks for more infos, will report of coruse!
Hi guys! Although I have been often to BKK, never went to Thaniya; but see so many attractive gilrs outside on videos, so must have a look. Question: are these many girls sitting outside on the street in various outfits just to attract into a Karaoke club or it is possible to take them directly to hotel? If so, how much do they ask for? (I am european, not asian). Thanks for more infos, will report of coruse!Most of the clubs on Thaniya are Japanese only.
Most of the clubs on Thaniya are Japanese only.No problem. Wear these. They have worked every time I have tried them.
Gannaton48
06-17-19, 21:21
Most of the clubs on Thaniya are Japanese only.Yes I know, Goatscrot! On a Youtube video today I saw a HD report of Thaniya with all the girls sitting outside in a raw with a mamasan; she explains 800 Bath take out fee and 700 B for 1 h (cheap! I am not interested in entering a K bar! Just pick up a girl and back to my hotel. So this was my question: do these girls just go with you to sing some stupid karaoke or can I pick her up directly like any other places in BKK. ?
Carlosalves
06-17-19, 21:25
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Banana Boi
06-17-19, 21:59
Yes I know, Goatscrot! On a Youtube video today I saw a HD report of Thaniya with all the girls sitting outside in a raw with a mamasan; she explains 800 Bath take out fee and 700 B for 1 h (cheap! I am not interested in entering a K bar! Just pick up a girl and back to my hotel. So this was my question: do these girls just go with you to sing some stupid karaoke or can I pick her up directly like any other places in BKK. ?Can you post a link to the YouTube video? The amounts vary greatly depending on the bar. 800 per hour for usage of a large VIP karaoke room and 700 baht per hour per girl to join you in the room for singing ONLY seems more reasonable. I think the girl I wanted one night was 1500 baht per hour just for her. Maybe that's the Farang price? Add room, drinks, food, extra tip for the girl since the quoted amount is only for singing and companionship, etc. and it was a huge pass no matter how good looking she was. I did try to get her Line but that didn't go over well with mamasan or the girl.
CzarNicholas
06-18-19, 00:46
No problem. Wear these. They have worked every time I have tried them.https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Micropenis_measuring_with_device.jpg
LittleBigMan
06-18-19, 02:27
Wow you dropped off the name on purpose? Can't say I met any stunning enough to still dream about at Annies. I do say a small number were very doable and even had some LTs with Aor (pre sillies). Her big nose stopped her from being stunning but quite nice.
Eventually they phased out LT take outs I believe.I have a bit of a hearing problem I can never get the tones? This particularly girl I met at Annies, her name was something like Ae her #1. I usually don't pay too much attention to the name then I didn't even have a cell phone to retain names etc like today. The biggest reason I tend to talk in my sleep and that is not good when you are married? The way I met her was not picking her out of the fishbowl, I was sitting at the bar having a drink waiting for my cousins when she walked by gave me a stare and I back to her as you noted not or any stunners at Annies so she really caught my attention shorter version skin tone and hair tie back ponytail reminded me of J-Lo she was in street clothes.
The girl bartender I think Annies daughter? Saw the drool on my face said " you like " said the girl is her good friend and she has already been BF customers coming in a few hours. I ended up talking to her buying her a drink etc. As they say we hit it off next thing I know we are in one of the rooms when she undressed wow everything natural, no tattoos, or surgery or baby. I'm not a big fan of soapy but the session was great and the sex was memorable and if she wasn't already BF I would have taken her out for the rest of the day. Nevertheless, I got her contact email since I had to come back in a week and do business at the Embassy I made an arrangement with her and told her to meet me at Penny Black.
That evening we went across town to outdoor seafood and small roast pig restaurant with also had Thai dancing. We drank like locals and she was having a great time dancing local style as if it was Songkran in the end back to the room with the liquor in me and her not often it was BBFS all night with her. Sadly it was the last time I saw her because being with her that evening I knew what she was after like many wanted out wanted a sponsor she wasn't innocent but in the business for a while hardcore. It took me a while to get over her and that night all left now is memories it was also the last time I visited Annies.
I have a bit of a hearing problem I can never get the tones? This particularly girl I met at Annies, her name was something like Ae her #1. I usually don't pay too much attention to the name then I didn't even have a cell phone to retain names etc like today. The biggest reason I tend to talk in my sleep and that is not good when you are married? The way I met her was not picking her out of the fishbowl, I was sitting at the bar having a drink waiting for my cousins when she walked by gave me a stare and I back to her as you noted not or any stunners at Annies so she really caught my attention shorter version skin tone and hair tie back ponytail reminded me of J-Lo she was in street clothes.
The girl bartender I think Annies daughter? Saw the drool on my face said " you like " said the girl is her good friend and she has already been BF customers coming in a few hours. I ended up talking to her buying her a drink etc. As they say we hit it off next thing I know we are in one of the rooms when she undressed wow everything natural, no tattoos, or surgery or baby. I'm not a big fan of soapy but the session was great and the sex was memorable and if she wasn't already BF I would have taken her out for the rest of the day. Nevertheless, I got her contact email since I had to come back in a week and do business at the Embassy I made an arrangement with her and told her to meet me at Penny Black.
That evening we went across town to outdoor seafood and small roast pig restaurant with also had Thai dancing. We drank like locals and she was having a great time dancing local style as if it was Songkran in the end back to the room with the liquor in me and her not often it was BBFS all night with her. Sadly it was the last time I saw her because being with her that evening I knew what she was after like many wanted out wanted a sponsor she wasn't innocent but in the business for a while hardcore. It took me a while to get over her and that night all left now is memories it was also the last time I visited Annies.Your question marks seem to be on statements. Not clear if you want to ask something or not.
The Thai name Ae or Aey actually has more than one possible tone. Some "Ae" persons are flat tone, some are rising tone. Pronounced somewhere between AY (as in Pay) and AIR. Different tone makes it a different name. Noi is another name with variations, high tone or low tone. For names, it does not really matter if you can't pick the tone.
I guess if giving #1 would be a top girl likely. I don't remember what she looked like. Actually I was not a frequent visitor there, but would try many different places, and years ago, a soapy fan. I always described Annies as a cross between soapy and an Oily MP, or perhaps closer to a Nuru MP. Several aspects were different to a typical Soapy. Now closed after a raid due to illegal use of underground water (is the very strong rumour), as were several other soapies doing the same thing.
Annies daughter is called Aey and was major owner of the Annies chain (including the Soi 7/1 bars). Some girls I knew worked Annies and Soi 7/1 as well, depending on the day and staff shortages. Claims they were very independent businesses were laughable. Just someone spinning an official line.
It seems unlikely that Aey would work as a bartender (miles below her station) but many years ago just possible she was behind the bar when bartender at the toilet, or similar. I did see her many years ago (on some visits) but she possibly was not much spending so much time at Annies in recent years. I met "Annie" herself once and had a very brief chat. In fact I think Aey introduced Annie. Before that I might not have known I was seeing Annie working there.
Annies was a place to chat to the oldies briefly about ancient history. One older staff person, was a friend of a girl I used to do at the Thermae Soapy, back in 1991. Ha ha. Annie herself would know the whole early history of mongering on lower Sukhumvit. I always wanted to know the details of the very first soapy I went to on Sukhumvit which was not Annies but not far away. Maybe on Soi 2 also but unsure. Its long gone. Was larger than Annies and had a car park. The year was about 1983.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Micropenis_measuring_with_device.jpgThat *****. I told that girl not to share that photo with anyone.
If girls in a go go bar are not making enough money, will they drop their prices? IF what other posters write can be believed, they reckon can still get girls for low prices. I don't know how low is the standard of the girls or if the posters are truthful.
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In my line of work, I need the money, so rather than drop my prices, I am more likely to give them a lot of extra hours for free. They will get value. Win win. Some girls are smart enough to give extra special and time service for a bit more money but not all. The girls are not economics experts. Some idiots proposed that all girls should cost the same amount for fuck, regardless of looks and service and time. Obsurd! I am an expert in my technical field. Would stupid if I charged the same as every dumb non expert. However there will be charlatans that charge more of course, but what is delivered will be very average or worse.Yeah right on about them not knowing prices.
Thats a big Thai thing, dropping prices to get more business just isn't a concept that is prevalent in Thailand (or SE Asia). They'd rather get MUCH less business at more cash than be "degraded' by being cheap, even if it means less money overall, they don't understand the trade offs of cheaper + more customers and such once they've raised the prices, that's generally the price and its not going back down. These girls, and hell a lot of the service industry in Thailand, just have a completely different concept of pricing structures than the West.
Gannaton48
06-18-19, 06:44
Can you post a link to the YouTube video? The amounts vary greatly depending on the bar. 800 per hour for usage of a large VIP karaoke room and 700 baht per hour per girl to join you in the room for singing ONLY seems more reasonable. I think the girl I wanted one night was 1500 baht per hour just for her. Maybe that's the Farang price? Add room, drinks, food, extra tip for the girl since the quoted amount is only for singing and companionship, etc. and it was a huge pass no matter how good looking she was. I did try to get her Line but that didn't go over well with mamasan or the girl.Oh my god, I am not looking for a girl to sing, rather moan, LOL! I did not realize that singing was the story, which explains the low price. Thanks!
Hi guys! Although I have been often to BKK, never went to Thaniya; but see so many attractive gilrs outside on videos, so must have a look. Question: are these many girls sitting outside on the street in various outfits just to attract into a Karaoke club or it is possible to take them directly to hotel? If so, how much do they ask for? (I am european, not asian). Thanks for more infos, will report of coruse!You have to ask the manager about take out. It depends on each girl. The cost is comparable to go go bar. The BF will be higher if you want to take her directly to hotel. The room fee for 1 hour including drinks and some snacks so it is not too bad. LD is extra with price similar to go go bar. This is the most common fee structure in Japan town. The easiest thing to do is just ask the manager before you go in. Sometime they may offer you a fixed price for 1 or 2 hours in the KTV room.
Yeah right on about them not knowing prices.
Thats a big Thai thing, dropping prices to get more business just isn't a concept that is prevalent in Thailand (or SE Asia). They'd rather get MUCH less business at more cash than be "degraded' by being cheap, even if it means less money overall, they don't understand the trade offs of cheaper + more customers and such once they've raised the prices, that's generally the price and its not going back down. These girls, and hell a lot of the service industry in Thailand, just have a completely different concept of pricing structures than the West.I think Thai P4P girls know very little, I would say virtually nothing, about the going rate anywhere outside their current venue or station. It isn't as though they do market research or send shoppers out to price/service compare before they settle on an asking price. For the most part, go-go girls and Thermae girls have no idea there are dozens of girls their own age accepting 400-500 baht (after the bar takes its cut) to give customers a BBBJ+CIM in several nearby BJ Bars, including the room and no tip required. They don't know what kind of money and for what kind of service massage shop girls get and visa versa. They don't have a clue what kind of rates FLs standing right across the soi from their own go-go bar are getting. And those FLs probably have ridiculous notions about what go-go girls make in a month and what they generally provide in the room.
A newbie, first time Bkk punter would know more about the competition in terms of price and service from one venue to another in 2 nights than most seasoned P4P girls will ever know or will ever care to know.
There is the rare crossover where a previous Thermae girl finds herself standing in front of Nana Hotel trying to pull customers. But she probably becomes quickly discouraged when she discovers her 2,500 baht going rate in Thermae is a non starter out in the wild.
I think they don't know because they don't care to know, don't want to reveal that they don't know and therefore never ask, never question what they are doing and for how much, don't really approach any of it as a business in that way. That would require effort. And a willingness to admit to themselves that they actually are working in the sex for pay industry. It isn't so much that their practice of raising their price when customer traffic is low is a bad business model, it is that they have no business model at all. All they know is they didn't make as much money this week as they did last week so they have to start asking for more.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Micropenis_measuring_with_device.jpgArh. The classic MDMA pill dick!
CzarNicholas
06-18-19, 09:08
Why do we pay a hooker for intercourse?(sure I like to think I don't, I only pay them to go away hahaha).
If a man and a hooker are say both "9's" or even "8's" or "7's".
Why do we pay her for sex and what are we getting for the money?
Why she getting cash for something she likes to do for free?
If you look why women want money / resources in the non hooker market, it might be said they are at risk of pregnancy and at one point many years ago HIV.
Which begs the question what are the guys that are paying for sex with a hooker and using a condom, paying for and why?
If a hooker that is a "9" or "10" has sex with an "unattractive" guy one might say that's why hes paying?
If you take age out of the equation, what does that leave?
I'm 51 yo I like 18-19 yo hookers.
I don't think I look 51 yo if I'm asking about their age and they happen to ask mine I always say 29 yo.
1-2 in the last few yrs have said I think you're older than that, but my age should me moot.
Why do so many of us happily pay for what is ordinarily free for 99.999999% of the species.
My personal answer is probably the age differential.
I'm 51 yo I cannot go into a club and get an 18 yo 7 days a week.
I want to be like mr tooms when I'm 67 with his 21 yo GF that's a 46 yr differential.
I want to be 77 yo with an 18 yo GF.
And 87 yo.
And 97 yo.
I'm sure behavioral psychologists could add many chapters to my summary.
But if you can please opine.
Supply of pretty non surgeries girls is getting thin these days in Bangkok P4P scene. Some seem to like the surgeries.Caught up with someone who used to share info here on ISG this eve. We ended up in Patpong. Hadn't been in years. Thigh Bar had a number of lithe, natural cuties tonight. Haven't seen this type in Cowboy I'm a while.
Banana Boi
06-18-19, 18:48
We ended up in Patpong. Hadn't been in years. Thigh Bar had a number of lithe, natural cuties tonight. Haven't seen this type in Cowboy I'm a while.I'm still amazed how guys continue to keep going to and b1tching about Nana and Cowboy and don't go to Patpong. Girls in Patpong are WAY friendlier. The girls are more hands on and there's MUCH more tonsil hockey. Sure there aren't many girls in any single bar but just walk around and enjoy the laid back atmosphere in Patpong. Guys like Syzy would like the more natural looking girls in Patpong. Taxi from Thermae to Patpong is less than 100 baht!
Yeah right on about them not knowing prices.
Thats a big Thai thing, dropping prices to get more business just isn't a concept that is prevalent in Thailand (or SE Asia). They'd rather get MUCH less business at more cash than be "degraded' by being cheap, even if it means less money overall, they don't understand the trade offs of cheaper + more customers and such once they've raised the prices, that's generally the price and its not going back down. These girls, and hell a lot of the service industry in Thailand, just have a completely different concept of pricing structures than the West.Venue specific pricing always works like an union but the price is more like minimum advertised price, and it gives girls better bargain position. Air fare works similarly. When one airline raise price, other airlines will follow. You should not have problem finding more examples.
If you look at Smooci, it has a much wider range of prices. Inside Thermae, the flexibility is often in the form of services provided. The less desirable ones usually offer more or better services, and will be more flexible. The prices are also more flexible outside Thermae, LB or not, also when they make deal outside after closing time.
I am pretty sure one will see price lowered if the girls are like stocked merchandise that has an associated capital cost.
I don't disagree with members who say there is no free market. That is one perspective but that also means US is not a free market. That is not the definition some other members used here so we are really discussing two different things that happen to have the same name.
I'm 51 yo I like 18-19 yo hookers.Don't stay at Dynasty Grande then, your girls won't be able to get in the hotel since they are under 20 years old.
CzarNicholas
06-19-19, 00:00
Don't stay at Dynasty Grande then, your girls won't be able to get in the hotel since they are under 20 years old.I don't ask ages I'm just going off of my guessing.
When in a bar I look for the ones on the fresher end of the spectrum.
I love the Asian concept of "over the hill" for females.
I heard it is 25 yo?
The "leftovers" in society?
I believe my preference is based on my experience that.
"in general" the higher the mileage on a hooker (lifetime customers serviced) the shittier the attitude and service.
This is a generalization and of course there are always outliers and YMMV.
I'm still amazed how guys continue to keep going to and b1tching about Nana and Cowboy and don't go to Patpong. Girls in Patpong are WAY friendlier. The girls are more hands on and there's MUCH more tonsil hockey. Sure there aren't many girls in any single bar but just walk around and enjoy the laid back atmosphere in Patpong. Guys like Syzy would like the more natural looking girls in Patpong. Taxi from Thermae to Patpong is less than 100 baht!Going to check it out more.
Any specific bar suggestions?
Any good ST hotels in those sois?
I'm still amazed how guys continue to keep going to and b1tching about Nana and Cowboy and don't go to Patpong. Girls in Patpong are WAY friendlier. The girls are more hands on and there's MUCH more tonsil hockey. Sure there aren't many girls in any single bar but just walk around and enjoy the laid back atmosphere in Patpong. Guys like Syzy would like the more natural looking girls in Patpong. Taxi from Thermae to Patpong is less than 100 baht!I haven't been to Patpong in about 10 years because it always sucked. It had too many lady boys, and not enough pretty REAL girls. Busy as all hell due to that big market in the middle of it and around it, lots of tourists. The ping pong shows had women that are over 50 years old doing the shows. It sounds like it has changed drastically if you are saying there is a laid back atmosphere there. In the past, that place was far from laid back.
I was in Bangkok the last couple of weeks. Soi Cowboy did suck and is a shell of it's old self. Nana was pretty good though. I didn't try patpong due to it sucking so bad in the past.
I haven't been to Patpong in about 10 years because it always sucked. It had too many lady boys, and not enough pretty REAL girls. Busy as all hell due to that big market in the middle of it and around it, lots of tourists. The ping pong shows had women that are over 50 years old doing the shows. It sounds like it has changed drastically if you are saying there is a laid back atmosphere there. In the past, that place was far from laid back.
I was in Bangkok the last couple of weeks. Soi Cowboy did suck and is a shell of it's old self. Nana was pretty good though. I didn't try patpong due to it sucking so bad in the past.ET is right that outside Cowboy bars may have a real good looking girl (hopefully non LB) to pull you in, but inside can be dull.
I have been to Phat Phong again a few times, also with Natty. There are signs of improvement. Some bars were still a bit over rated, like Bada Bing, Electric Blue (I think as the name) and Black Pagoda. Some bars still had a lot of surgeries. However good signs of improvement, so that definitely an option, in the Kings Castle group.
One day sitting with Natty, the girl I liked happened to be same girl I had previously fucked in Twisters at Nana. Took me a few minutes to realise I knew her already. So that means the girls were not especially superior to my taste but competitive, and fine for those less fussy about "enhanced girls".
There are sections with whole rows of ladyboy bars, or something else wrong I forget the detail now. Some bars have Coyotes that can't be barfined I think. However selecting the right bars, can be fine. As I used to stay in Silom are a lot, could be even convenient. Taxi can get to Phat Phong late at night in just 10 minutes or so from Sukhumvit, depending on starting point (I guess I am thinking of getting there from Cowboy straight down Ratchadaphisek).
As I like a bit of full nudity, I might be converted if full nudity comes in, and naturally topless with G string would be a huge bonus (near enough to nude). I have not been there enough to be really expert. I certainly used Phat Phong bars a lot in the early 90's, avoiding the rip off joints. I think regular customers do not have a problem with rip offs so much but some rip off bars may still exist.
Now that Cowboy has rip off bars, abundant Coyotes and ladyboys, abundant surgeries girls, and the doll look intended for the Asian customers, and abundant fatties and uglies in some bars, it definitely falls well below the standard of yesteryear. No advantages over Nana and Phat Phong that it used to have. I have basically quit Crazy House now. Kazy is possible for occasional visit (with skinny girls) but don't like the frequency of shows. Yet to actually BF there. Scared of the pretty girl's inexperience and shyness. Tough to tell if she will be fine or another dud. In Nana I don't really find any bar to consistently interest me now with Billboard still the best for me, to have some superior looking skinny girls. Pretty faces, not that many but some. Cowboy still has some bars with full nudity, however standard of the girls varies. I can ignore a bar full of nude fatties (e. G. Long Gun) as long as there are 1 or 2 girls worth looking at. Had a visits to Doll House and Lighthouse but did not find any girl sufficiently interesting to the fussy spec. Shows the decline of Cowboy for me.
I still need a basically natural and skinny girl bar showing the body properly. Alas too many bars, cannot see the tits properly. Can't stand double layer bras. My visits to bars declines greatly, and prefer to visit known girls, maybe in the bar, maybe outside. I don't have the psychology where need to fuck every girl, so don't have to keep changing girls, and increasingly the probability of crappy sessions. No point changing from a good girl to a bad one.
Plenty of girls I tried, sadly disappeared from contactability, so don't know where they went. Otherwise would still be repeating them.
Its all about specific girls for me, not really bars, but have to be able to find a good girl or two. Would be silly to stick to one bar area. Have to try Phat Phong as well if time available, unless giving it all away. Actually I don't use Soi 22 bars at all, it seems like an expat style area with girls of consistently low quality looks (at least I did not find anything). We never seem to get reports about specific bars there, only MPs, and I usually struggle to find anything much in the MPs there as well. Definitely the soi for very average girls. I bet there are few Japanese there (at a guess).
Going to check it out more.
Any specific bar suggestions?
Any good ST hotels in those sois?I think Natty Bumpo has mentioned the names of specific Phat Phong bars, that he enjoyed fairly recently, and his taste is quite similar to mine, maybe a bit more forgiving of nose jobs and sillies. He does not take any pudgy girls and the face has to be superior. He does not need big tits (same as me). Possibly the ones with "Castle" in the name that also don't have Ladyboys.
BB said more natural looking girls in PP, but I am not sure I noticed that. Many guys don't care and may not even suspect a nose job (they are getting so abundant these days). A very subtle one can still be a pass for me, but some of the Thai TV big stars have quite ugly nose jobs to my taste, and I think how on earth did she get to be the leading lady, with such a distracting nose? Do Thai men get nose jobs or sillies? Not much if they are not a LB. I guess only the gay guys dye the hair blonde too.
BB mentioned more relaxed, and better attitude girls. I think that is important. No one needs a pressure bar.
I'm 51 yo I like 18-19 yo hookers.
Why would a hot 18 to 19 YO want to fuck a 51 YO? She won't know in advance if you are going to send her to heaven or not. Even so she may know someone good much younger and in good shape.
Non hookers are giving away sex for free, but not every single day, and they may have a BF, and they can be choosy if good looking.
So why do we pay? We don't want to waste hours and hours trying to get a fuck. We just simply want to get it straight away, and pay for that privilege. Many of us have a GF or wife, so not looking for additional semi "GFs". Some of us advanced porno services that the average Thai girl is not going to provide or not be good at it.
In Thailand, non hooker GFs can be poor and so still work out more expensive per fuck than hookers. So there are still economic aspects to it. All girls are hookers, merely they have a different price. Not quite true. All my young hot regular girls are getting some economic support from me, even if has not been on a per fuck basis. So we could say they are all hookers in a way. I don't have any rich young girls with the hots for me. I have significantly more money than them.
In past I had Thai GF would was absolutely not a hooker, but worked as a Thai chef. I still paid the majority of the accommodation and household bills, because she could not afford it. However she saved a hell of a lot of money as was thifty and good at saving. She had to support several family members though. Sex was infrequent. She cost me far per fuck than a hooker. Definitely not worthwhile. I should have been taught to choose only girls with means. Even my ex Farang wife cost me too much on a per bad fuck basis, and she had a good job. If I had no wives/GFs ever and only did hookers, I would be richer now.
Sure its great if you can find a hot young thing who wants your body only and no money. Paying is just so much easier, even if guys do not have a wife / GF. All my past GFs that were giving me sufficient good sex, were psycho in some way, so hard to live with. If you have a stable of hot young girls all wanting your body and no money, then you are probably "Brad Pitt" or similar. At 60+ I am still wanting girls 35 or less, have a Mrs already, so its just easier to pay. I could try to get a liason going with sweet pretty little thing at the sports pub (mid 30's but still looks good) similar to my GF but smaller still, who seems to like me, and I know she would like to have a BF, but I just can't do it her. She deserves a proper BF. I know she is not looking for a guy just for sex.
When I first came to Thailand, a hot eager girl for the whole night cost so little, it was a no brainer. Just silly to sleep alone.
Some guys like the challenge to get girls for free, some can't be bothered. Some girls were shocked to find out they did not get paid, but were too timid to argue. No price had been mentioned beforehand. I read many reports from guys about girl for free where I suspected she was hoping for some economic help. If she specifically says she won't accept money, that is different. Thailand has always had many borerline or semi-hookers. I was told by taxi drivers in Ratchada, that many girls going to a disco, were hoping to get taken by a guy (even a Thai guy maybe), but also hoping to make at least 1K. Very cheap price but not aiming to go for free. Girls will very well paid jobs or rich, don't need economic motives for sex.
Always bear in mind the girl has a risk of pregnancy (especially if no condoms) and very few get abortions. Morning after pills is underutilised. Most birth control methods are fallible. Girl should have two complimentary methods in place to reduce risk. My Mrs still has periods, so has to take the pill. She was thinking about injection since not good at taking pills on time.
CzarNicholas
06-19-19, 07:37
Why would a hot 18 to 19 YO want to fuck a 51 YO? She won't know in advance if you are going to send her to heaven or not. Even so she may know someone good much younger and in good shape.
Non hookers are giving away sex for free, but not every single day, and they may have a BF, and they can be choosy if good looking.
So why do we pay? We don't want to waste hours and hours trying to get a fuck. We just simply want to get it straight away, and pay for that privilege. Many of us have a GF or wife, so not looking for additional semi "GFs". Some of us advanced porno services that the average Thai girl is not going to provide or not be good at it.
In Thailand, non hooker GFs can be poor and so still work out more expensive per fuck than hookers. So there are still economic aspects to it. All girls are hookers, merely they have a different price. Not quite true. All my young hot regular girls are getting some economic support from me, even if has not been on a per fuck basis. So we could say they are all hookers in a way. I don't have any rich young girls with the hots for me. I have significantly more money than them..As the axiom goes.
The most expensive pussy is free pussy!
CzarNicholas
06-19-19, 09:44
Why would a hot 18 to 19 YO want to fuck a 51 YO? She won't know in advance if you are going to send her to heaven or not. Even so she may know someone good much younger and in good shape.
Non hookers are giving away sex for free, but not every single day, and they may have a BF, and they can be choosy if good looking.
So why do we pay? We don't want to waste hours and hours trying to get a fuck. We just simply want to get it straight away, and pay for that privilege. Many of us have a GF or wife, so not looking for additional semi "GFs". Some of us advanced porno services that the average Thai girl is not going to provide or not be good at it.
In Thailand, non hooker GFs can be poor and so still work out more expensive per fuck than hookers. So there are still economic aspects to it. All girls are hookers, merely they have a different price. Not quite true. All my young hot regular girls are getting some economic support from me, even if has not been on a per fuck basis. So we could say they are all hookers in a way. I don't have any rich young girls with the hots for me. I have significantly more money than them.
In past I had Thai GF would was absolutely not a hooker, but worked as a Thai chef. I still paid the majority of the accommodation and household bills, because she could not afford it. However she saved a hell of a lot of money as was thifty and good at saving. She had to support several family members though. Sex was infrequent. She cost me far per fuck than a hooker. Definitely not worthwhile. I should have been taught to choose only girls with means. Even my ex Farang wife cost me too much on a per bad fuck basis, and she had a good job. If I had no wives/GFs ever and only did hookers, I would be richer now..Why fuck me? Like I said I'm pretty sure I don't look 51, when I tell just about anyone they don't believe me?
Secondly / additionally, I've heard some / many Asian girls see fucking white guys as a status symbol? At least according to my best friend which happens to be Korean.
Also I think I get more attention then some, I have very blonde hair and blue eyes.
I'm guessing none of these factors hurt, I do better in BKK than I could have ever expected and even better in AC.
Where white guys with any semblance of sanity are quite an endangered species.
This seems to help more in non white countries (not as much in say FKK land or Canada for example) where blonde hair blue eyed white guys are pretty common.
It was very difficult to monger in Russia mostly because almost nobody speaks English, but in spite of that I did nail a few very very hot hookers.
I'm guessing because I was "exotic"? A male friend I met, said most have never met or even seen an american before let alone fucked one.
Why would a hot 18 to 19 YO want to fuck a 51 YO? She won't know in advance if you are going to send her to heaven or not. Even so she may know someone good much younger and in good shape.
Non hookers are giving away sex for free, but not every single day, and they may have a BF, and they can be choosy if good looking.
So why do we pay? We don't want to waste hours and hours trying to get a fuck. We just simply want to get it straight away, and pay for that privilege. Many of us have a GF or wife, so not looking for additional semi "GFs". Some of us advanced porno services that the average Thai girl is not going to provide or not be good at it.
In Thailand, non hooker GFs can be poor and so still work out more expensive per fuck than hookers. So there are still economic aspects to it. All girls are hookers, merely they have a different price. Not quite true. All my young hot regular girls are getting some economic support from me, even if has not been on a per fuck basis. So we could say they are all hookers in a way. I don't have any rich young girls with the hots for me. I have significantly more money than them.
In past I had Thai GF would was absolutely not a hooker, but worked as a Thai chef. I still paid the majority of the accommodation and household bills, because she could not afford it. However she saved a hell of a lot of money as was thifty and good at saving. She had to support several family members though. Sex was infrequent. She cost me far per fuck than a hooker. Definitely not worthwhile. I should have been taught to choose only girls with means. Even my ex Farang wife cost me too much on a per bad fuck basis, and she had a good job. If I had no wives/GFs ever and only did hookers, I would be richer now.
Sure its great if you can find a hot young thing who wants your body only and no money. Paying is just so much easier, even if guys do not have a wife / GF. All my past GFs that were giving me sufficient good sex, were psycho in some way, so hard to live with. If you have a stable of hot young girls all wanting your body and no money, then you are probably "Brad Pitt" or similar. At 60+ I am still wanting girls 35 or less, have a Mrs already, so its just easier to pay. I could try to get a liason going with sweet pretty little thing at the sports pub (mid 30's but still looks good) similar to my GF but smaller still, who seems to like me, and I know she would like to have a BF, but I just can't do it her. She deserves a proper BF. I know she is not looking for a guy just for sex.
When I first came to Thailand, a hot young eager girl for the whole night cost so little, it was a no brainer. Just silly to sleep alone.
Some guys like the challenge to get girls for free, some can't be bothered. Some girls were shocked to find out they did not get paid, but were too timid to argue. No price had been mentioned beforehand. I read many reports from guys about girl for free where I suspected she was hoping for some economic help. If she specifically says she won't accept money, that is different. Thailand has always had many borerline or semi-hookers. I was told by taxi drivers in Ratchada, that many girls going to a disco, were hoping to get taken by a guy (even a Thai guy maybe), but also hoping to make at least 1K. Very cheap price but not aiming to go for free. Girls will very well paid jobs or rich, don't need economic motives for sex.
Always bear in mind the girl has a risk of pregnancy (especially if no condoms) and very few get abortions. Morning after pills is underutilised. Most birth control methods are fallible. Girl should have two complimentary methods in place to reduce risk. My Mrs still has periods, so has to take the pill. She was thinking about injection since not good at taking pills on time.Well said.
Also I think I get more attention then some, I have very blonde hair and blue eyes.
That is weird unless you are a bottle blonde like most of the rest. We could all dye our hair blonde and maybe get girls more interested.
If too handsome we will be assumed to be gay.
Some guys age very fast, others slow. Compare Mel Gibson, with very wrinkled face to Tom Cruise who looks nearly as good as 30 years ago.
Both probably a-holes.
In a dark bar, most girls think I am much younger, and never guess close to my real age. Helps to have hair on the head and not grey / white hair. However I would need a lot done to actually become handsome, eye makeup, skin laser resurfacing, teeth capping, maybe a nose reduction, etc. Not worth the effort. I don't need girls to find me very attractive (too late for that), just to be willing to have some fun with me.
I have seen plenty of pretty girls go for a guy that is fat and ugly, but like his personality. Most hookers will have fucked guys far uglier and possibly assholes as well. Young Thai hookers can still get a cum with an old guy.
Amazing the myth in the general public and media that a hooker could never enjoy a paid sexual encounter (its just work).
Even some western hookers are willing to get a pop. I recall one writer on here saying his GF worked in an MP and assured him that, none of the girls get a pop at work. They don't want to pop. So why did she become his GF? Obviously the sex was not fun? ;) He met her in the MP and where was the attraction if she did not like the sex at all? Just money I guess. I know plenty of guys make no effort to give the girl a good time since he is paying.
If too handsome we will be assumed to be gay.That's a problem I've had to live with all of my life.
Banana Boi
06-20-19, 06:44
Truth hurts but if any of us were that good looking we would never be on a board like this.
Truth hurts but if any of us were that good looking we would never be on a board like this.Exactly! +1 from me.
Off all the other mongers I met, how many were really good looking? In Thailand maybe one or two were well above average, and asshole rating can be inversely proportional, sometimes. Europe has a lot more good looking mongers, yet they still don't get the girl variety they want and especially not several girls in same day. Maybe they are bad at fucking too. Who knows?
I have been offered freebies, even by hookers and by ex-hookers, but not due to good looks, and it is certainly not a regular thing. A percentage of possible freebies, I knocked back. Girl was not exciting enough and I had alternate plans, or questioned her motives. So getting offered lots of free sex by various young stunners, is just a fantasy.
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I have seen plenty of pretty girls go for a guy that is fat and ugly, but like his personality. Most hookers will have fucked guys far uglier and possibly assholes as well. Young Thai hookers can still get a cum with an old guy.
...I rarely see the best looking P4P girls in a go-go bar or beer bar walking out with good looking men. In fact, I rarely see them approach the better looking men in a bar when they easily could. Maybe they are taking the safest route to guard against public rejection, which none of us relish, on the belief that a good looking man has been with many girls better looking than them and would not be nearly as impressed by them as other men.
This isn't all that different from the way it is in real life outside the P4P scene. It is relatively rare to see a really notable match in higher level attractiveness among couples. Much more often than not, he's a 3 and she's an 8, he's an 8 and she's a 4 or they are both 4's or 3's. LOL. When we see two 8's or 9's together, it is so notable we almost think they just stepped out of a Hollywood casting agency. Could be no more than 3% of the couples in the world are in the "both 8's or better" category.
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