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Banana Boi
03-02-20, 00:05
Watching Bangkok news last night. 35 year old in Bangkok is the first Thailand death due to the coronavirus. My Thai isn't good enough to know if he had any pre existing conditions.
I read that it is not heat that will kill the virus. It has something to do with the immune system being more efficient when body temperature is higher.Most virus thrive in cold weather. This is not to say cold virus does not infect people in hot countries. There are several factors why we get flu vaccine in the fall to protect us in winter. Hot weather makes us feel good and immunity is higher. Phlegm does not stay in your lungs in hot weather. They liquify and comes out not doing any damage to lungs.
But this corona virus is hard to figure out. Causes lots of damage to older people with underlying conditions. Hardly ever does serious damage to kids.
We hope our sexual exercise and activity increases our immunity to this virus.
Watching Bangkok news last night. 35 year old in Bangkok is the first Thailand death due to the coronavirus. My Thai isn't good enough to know if he had any pre existing conditions.I read that he already had Dengue fever. I think it was on the BBC or CNN website.
BMoreDog69
03-02-20, 03:29
Get a grip please. Other good responses posted on here. As mentioned, this correction was long overdue. Even with the hit last week, I'm still up 15% for the last 12 months, and I'm an investment idiot. What's to complain about?
We saw the start of this with the Trump trade taxes, and this showed us where the weakness is. Companies have been working the short time returns so hard that they have moved to just in time deliveries from suppliers, and are sourcing huge percentages of critical parts from single suppliers in countries that are at risk for all kinds of issues (aka China). So when the shit hit the fan, guess what happens next in the Rube Goldberg machine that is the stock market? Companies have lost sight of long term health (you know, even a stool needs three legs to be stable) and stability, which is borne out by all the short term microsecond computer trading, which has exacerbated the market volatility.
You want a real eye opener? The current economy, at least in the US, is driven by the consumers. Now look at the wealth / income distribution. It won't be too long before the majority of the population is unable to afford the basic necessities. Ford had the right idea with his new automobile. He paid his workers many times the going labor rate so that they could all afford to buy the product they were making for him.
I haven't read anything about Bat Flu and heat. Hope you're right. The western media is killing my stocks with their fear mongering but I feel the number of cases is grossly under reported. I doubt Thailand has many testing kits outside of Bangkok. Even California is woefully short of testing kits. Also some sick people aren't getting medical help due to fear of being isolated by friends and family.
Natty if the worst happens to you can I have your Line address book?
...Now, here is the bad part for any Farangs thinking this coronavirus hysteria has loosened the youngest and best looking Thermae girls' grip on responding exclusively to Asian punters. And, again, this is only from MY experience. But at 9:30pm I went in there as pleasant, polite, smiling, happy, with as warm and welcoming a "sawadee krup" at the ready as I have ever had, looking pretty damn good for a somewhat elderly Farang I might say. And the cold shoulder from the better looking girls was every bit as bad as it has ever been. Very, very cold cold shoulder for this Farang. With girls I'd never seen or talked to before, new encounters...Haha ET, that's too bad. I sympathize with your plight. I, too was hoping that this virus scare would losen up a bit those good looking Thermae girls. Oh well.
I am currently in Medellin, Colombia, enjoying some Latina pussy. Luckily, not too many customers here from Japan / Korea to compete with.
Banana Boi
03-02-20, 05:43
My understanding from girls in Pattaya is that many will no longer go with Korean men so there is hope for elderly Farang, of course unless you look Iranian or Italian.
Franciscass
03-02-20, 08:50
I passed through Thermae twice last night, once at around 9:30pm and again around 2am. I am usually not out and about, dropping into Thermae and all that at 2am, so I don't know how it compares to . But at 9:30pm I went in there as pleasant, polite, smiling, happy, with as warm and welcoming a "sawadee krup" at the ready as I have ever had, looking pretty damn good for a somewhat elderly Farang I might say. And the cold shoulder from the better looking girls was every bit as bad as it has ever been. Very, very cold cold shoulder for this Farang. While not a habitue of Thermae I pop in there so often and plonk myself down with a beer. I don't do the circuit but usually get some smiles from ladies in my immediate vicinity. So just a thought ET and absolutely making no judgement but is it possible that by now the word is out on your specific requirements re BBFS and CIP and few if any are willing to provide said service and hence the cold shoulder.
Haha ET, that's too bad. I sympathize with your plight. I, too was hoping that this virus scare would losen up a bit those good looking Thermae girls. Oh well.
I am currently in Medellin, Colombia, enjoying some Latina pussy. Luckily, not too many customers here from Japan / Korea to compete with.Ha, well luckily this cold shoulder for Farang issue is confined to Thermae. No great loss overall since the 3-4 times I have walked out with girls among the top 5-10% better lookers in Thermae, they were not even remotely worth the money for me anyway. I know there are a couple of go-go bars in Bangkok where girls supposedly only go with Asians. But my experience is many of those girls did not get that memo and will go with a Farang, even an elderly one. And deliver a pretty good session.
Damn its sad to read the reports about Bangkok, meanwhile I've been slamming the hotties here in Siem Reap. Guess I got out of BKK just in time.The places that seem hit hardest by the plunge in tourists here so far are not the usual P4P venues. It's the shopping malls.
I am in Siam Paragon right now and you could shoot a canon ball down the halls and not hit anyone. If this continues to worsen I would guess a lot of sweet young thing mall sales clerks will find themselves out of a job with no other visible options for support except the heretofore unthinkable, a job they would probably be fresh and brand new to, ready to learn and earn with the right attitude.
If it comes to it, those will be the ones I might need to assist finacially before I bother trying to flip the hardened, lazy hookers of Thermae or other waste of time established P4P venues to my way of financially rewarding commerce. Fuck no, man. I'll step right past and above the Thermae and Rainbow go-go bar level girls.
Probably through the dating sites.
Sunday, mid-afternoon, headed out to MBK for some shopping. As now expected, crowds down, not as much as at Chatuchak, but still, very easy to move around, NOT ram-jam full. Finished there, and spur of the moment, since BTS Silom line right outside, decided to hop on over to Patpong and SOL. Hadn't been to SOL yet, and it was about time.
Late afternoon, Sunday, get to SOL, 3 girls outside, 2 tubs and a rail thin girl. NONE appealing; first strike. OK, so World it is. Find the stairs, walk up, World door open. Lights on inside, no A/C. Step inside. 1 girl plus bartender. Bartender recognizes me, says that Kartoon (or something like that) has the day off, but there is Kartoon's co-worker... Like SOL, not doable. 2nd strike.
Now, it was hot out, sun shining BRIGHT, and humid. I can only explain my next move was due to delirium. Walk over to the other Soi, to Rose bar. Gatekeeper outside, door ajar. Reaching a moment of sanity, I walk past. Then the delirium hits again: since I'm here, might as well check it out. Walk up the stairs to Grimness. 2 girls inside, one an instant reject, the other... has a rack... Sit down at the bar, ask how much for a Singha. "150". "No thank you", get up to walk out (which would have been the smart move right there). "OK, for you, discount, 100 baht. " I sit back down, obviously still in the grip of the delirium. "OK". Beer brought. I check out Miss Rack... The rack meets the minimum requirements, but as my gaze drifts up... I readily believe her when she says she has a daughter going to university in the US. Hell, it was probably grad school... You do the math. Finished the Singha, no need to linger and chit-chat, walked down the stairs, kept asking myself, "what WERE you thinking?" 3rd strike, should have just gone back to the dugout.
Considered Sukumvit, Soi 8's BJ bars, K-whatever, and the one around the corner, but... Had been there last year and not impressed. The shortest distance would be to ex-Som's Heaven (I can never pronounce, let alone spell, the new name); it's close to the Metro's Asok station. Convenient. But then, thinking... Been there last year and not impressed with the line-up nor the service... Mother thumb and her 4 daughters looking like the best bet...
But this is Bangkok, no need of solo enjoyment. Fine, I was in Patpong, Miss Rail it would be. Walked back to SOL. Just as I walked up, the clouds parted, with a SMALL ray of sunshine... A 4th girl was just arriving, dinner bag in hand. Decent rack, bit chunky, OK face. Anything below the waistline is not all that visible when she's on her knees giving her oil pump-jack impression... Gave her the nod; dinner for both of us would have to wait.
Inside, asked the price of a Singha. "All drinks same price, 100 baht. " You have to admire for SOL's straightforwardness; like a lady dowager, she has her principles... Beer came and into the back room we went.
Now, over the past couple of DECADES, the SOP has been the same: drop trou, sit down, lady cleans you with a wet wipe, and begins the extraction procedure. But this is the time of the COVid virus. Girl asks me to move to sink (more like a waddle with trou down), hang my junk over the edge so she can wash. "No have virus here; you see, I wash mouth too" after she'd used the Listerine. I'm laughing inside, but, afterwards, OK by me. I mean, how would you like to be filling out the transmission report for the health officials with a "well, this girl was sucking my dick and I guess I passed on the virus to her, dick to mouth. "...
Back to the bench (does this make me a back-bencher?) She asks if she should go topless (dumb question, experienced girls understand the value of visual stimulation), so that's a yes. Decent rack, oranges, nice handful. She begins a rapid up / down sucking, picking up the pace... I guess she's thinking the faster she pumps, the quicker she'll strike oil. Said she'd been there for 3 months (didn't recognize the names I knew from last year) and the inexperience shows. I provide some pointers as to what I like and the session improves. This is the SOL I know, a beer and a BJ... Now, if it only had the music of the World...
Just as I was finishing my beer, oil was struck. After a complete extraction, the usual SOL tissue grab and spit. Then directed back to the sink for both of us, me for a junk wash, her for another gargle. Paid the standard 700, plus 200 tip to the girl, a nice, round 1000 baht for beer + BJ.
WIR: Fa offered f / s, but if I wanted dinner, I'd eat elsewhere. But for a quick snack, Fa OK.
I wonder what has happened to SOL's staff. Previous years, there's always been 5,6 girls around at the same time, mid to late afternoon, at least a couple doable. Fa is doable for a BJ, but an order of magnitude less than last year's Mam. It really seems their staff is sparse, and getting close to the proverbial bottom of the barrel.
On my way home, what's the name of the tv advertisement, that has the tag line "I should have had... " popped into my head. In hindsight, I should have just gone to Suk's Soi 55, Sakura, for an hour's scrub, salt tapping, heat treatment, and tug. Yes, a tug less than a BJ, but that salt tapping... Nothing makes you feel cleaner. Have to be careful of my tunnel vision and start considering more alternative paths.
If it comes to it, those will be the ones I might need to assist finacially before I bother trying to flip the hardened, lazy hookers of Thermae or other waste of time established P4P venues to my way of financially rewarding commerce. Fuck no, man. I'll step right past and above the Thermae and Rainbow go-go bar level girls.
I hate that place no matter how many times I pass by. The women in there are snotty and think their shit doesn't stink. A few months ago, I was there with a guy from Sri Lanka just looking over the place. When I walked past a few to use the bathroom, most of them had their noses so high in the air, you'd think it was up god's (or buddha's) asshole!. Fuck them!. (not in the literal sense).
I hate that place no matter how many times I pass by. The women in there are snotty and think their shit doesn't stink. A few months ago, I was there with a guy from Sri Lanka just looking over the place. When I walked past a few to use the bathroom, most of them had their noses so high in the air, you'd think it was up god's (or buddha's) asshole!. Fuck them!. (not in the literal sense).Used to be such a fun place when I moved here 20 years ago. I was there 3 to 4 times a week for years. But the customer demographic changed and that ruined the place for me.
MichaelSamuel
03-03-20, 02:53
If this continues to worsen I would guess a lot of sweet young thing mall sales clerks will find themselves out of a job with no other visible options for support except the heretofore unthinkable, a job they would probably be fresh and brand new to, ready to learn and earn with the right attitude.
Ha, I love this need to see if that strategy works next month when I am there. By then some reality should have set in.
Get a grip please. Other good responses posted on here. As mentioned, this correction was long overdue. Even with the hit last week, I'm still up 15% for the last 12 months, and I'm an investment idiot. What's to complain about?
We saw the start of this with the Trump trade taxes, and this showed us where the weakness is. Companies have been working the short time returns so hard that they have moved to just in time deliveries from suppliers, and are sourcing huge percentages of critical parts from single suppliers in countries that are at risk for all kinds of issues (aka China). So when the shit hit the fan, guess what happens next in the Rube Goldberg machine that is the stock market? Companies have lost sight of long term health (you know, even a stool needs three legs to be stable) and stability, which is borne out by all the short term microsecond computer trading, which has exacerbated the market volatility.
You want a real eye opener? The current economy, at least in the US, is driven by the consumers. Now look at the wealth / income distribution. It won't be too long before the majority of the population is unable to afford the basic necessities. Ford had the right idea with his new automobile. He paid his workers many times the going labor rate so that they could all afford to buy the product they were making for him.Try moderna. CLX. MMM. GILD.
Banana Boi
03-03-20, 04:16
I hate that place no matter how many times I pass by. The women in there are snotty and think their shit doesn't stink.Re. Thermae. Am I the only person here who will not shy away from a Thermae (or any P4P} girl just because she doesn't look at me or smile at me? From my experience even if they look bitchy while you cruise around with all the other guys they start smiling once you start talking to them.
It's like going to a non-P4P civilian nightclub. Do you guys only go for the girls who smile at you or do you go talk to the prettiest girls?
Ha, I love this need to see if that strategy works next month when I am there. By then some reality should have set in.Unfortunately, that young girl is likely to return to Isaan than become a hooker. She will either get a retail job there if she's hot or just stay home with family and eat and live for free. Imo it's wishful thinking but I hope I'm very wrong.
Used to be such a fun place when I moved here 20 years ago. I was there 3 to 4 times a week for years. But the customer demographic changed and that ruined the place for me.Agree. Was really a place that you had to see, earned its name of "Star Wars" bar. Still wasn't bad after it moved to the under-stairs location, but that started its decline. I liked the original, 2 room design. Like Annie's (RIP), another BKK casualty.
Actually you're doing the scare mongering job yourself. There's no "testing kit".Actually I'm not scaring anybody. I would not cancel a trip due to the virus itself if I had a trip planned. I might be concerned about flights being cancelled due to lack of passengers but the virus itself wouldn't hold me back. I like visiting Thailand when it's not busy. If someone else chooses to postpone a trip I understand that choice.
People can be tested without kits, but there is such a thing as test kits according to CDC.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/testing.html
GettingFedUp
03-03-20, 05:41
People can be tested without kits, but there is such a thing as test kits according to CDC.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/testing.htmlYou seem to have overlooked the last part which states "FDA issued the EUA on February 4, 2020. IRR began distribution of the test kits to states, but shortly thereafter performance issues were identified related to a problem in the manufacturing of one of the reagents which led to laboratories not being able to verify the test performance. CDC is remanufacturing the reagents with more robust quality control measures. New tests will be distributed once this issue has been addressed."
There WERE test kits briefly, but they were withdrawn because they weren't up to scratch. As of CDC's last update (25-Feb) and my post of 29-Feb, no test kits!
Re. Thermae. Am I the only person here who will not shy away from a Thermae (or any P4P} girl just because she doesn't look at me or smile at me? From my experience even if they look bitchy while you cruise around with all the other guys they start smiling once you start talking to them.
It's like going to a non-P4P civilian nightclub. Do you guys only go for the girls who smile at you or do you go talk to the prettiest girls?I think you are missing the point of why experienced punters demanding a certain minimum level of service for the money are put off and move on from a girl with a bitchy demeanor on first encounter.
I don't shy away from the ones who do not smile at me. If I am attracted to their look, I still smile and approach them with a greeting and brief exchange, even in Thai. On occasion, they will respond enough to at least tell me how long and how much. And on every one of those occasions where I have "gone with flow" and taken them based almost entirely on their looks, it was a dreary waste of my time and money. Sadly, their good looks alone is not nearly enough to produce something close to Value For Money when it comes to P4P sex. For me.
Some of us take that bitchy demeanor as a sure and early sign that this one will be a bad bet for a good time in the room. And, in my experience, I have yet to be proven wrong on that early impression.
That's why many of us move on as quickly as possible from a girl with a bitchy demeanor on first encounter. It isn't due to a lack of confidence and determination. It is due to our experience telling us this girl very likely has zero value to offer or to sell except for her good looks and it would be a waste of our time, effort and money to go forward expecting anything remotely like a True GFE/Real Sex in the room.
Some of us take that bitchy demeanor as a sure and early sign that this one will be a bad bet for a good time in the room. And, in my experience, I have yet to be proven wrong on that early impression.
That's why many of us move on as soon as possible from a girl with a bitchy demeanor on the first encounter. It isn't due to a lack of confidence and determination. It is due to our experience telling us this girl very likely has zero value to offer or to sell except for her good looks and it would be a waste of our time, effort and money to go forward expecting anything remotely like a True GFE/Real Sex in the room.100% On-Point!. Look, we ALL want that Thai woman whos drop-dead gorgeous to give us that mind-blowing romp in the bedroom we all desire. It's not usually the case. You'll just end up getting a cold-ass starfish (who's going to rush you to get your rocks off) and ending up 1000-2000 lighter in your pocket and a world of disappointment. If there's no chemistry between both parties, why pursue it?. Sadly, some guys let the little head do the talking. I've been with average looking Thai women who could mop the fucking floor against a so-called Thai beauty. Why push the narrative if it doesn't work?. If their body language indicates she's not interested in your services, move on!. There are a plethora of freelancers, and bargirls to choose from. Pick of the litter, fellas!. Think with your bigger head!.
MeatMan
HorseTrader
03-03-20, 09:00
Re. Thermae. Am I the only person here who will not shy away from a Thermae (or any P4P} girl just because she doesn't look at me or smile at me? From my experience even if they look bitchy while you cruise around with all the other guys they start smiling once you start talking to them.
100% On-Point!. Look, we ALL want that Thai woman whos drop-dead gorgeous to give us that mind-blowing romp in the bedroom we all desire. It's not usually the case. If there's no chemistry between both parties, why pursue it?. Sadly, some guys let the little head do the talking. I've been with average looking Thai women who could mop the fucking floor against a so-called Thai beauty. Why push the narrative if it doesn't work?. If their body language indicates she's not interested in your services, move on!. There are a plethora of freelancers, and bargirls to choose from. Pick of the litter, fellas!. Think with your bigger head!.
MeatManI need a woman who's appearance turns me on, but she also has to show good interest in me. Without her showing interest in me, it is not going to be a great experience. I learned that lesson long ago. Next girl!
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Look, we ALL want that Thai woman whos drop-dead gorgeous to give us that mind-blowing romp in the bedroom we all desire. It's not usually the case. You'll just end up getting a cold-ass starfish (who's going to rush you to get your rocks off) and ending up 1000-2000 lighter in your pocket and a world of disappointment. If there's no chemistry between both parties, why pursue it?. Sadly, some guys let the little head do the talking. I've been with average looking Thai women who could mop the fucking floor against a so-called Thai beauty. Why push the narrative if it doesn't work?. If their body language indicates she's not interested in your services, move on!
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MeatManNo doubt about it and I envy them in several ways, there are many punters whose main goal is to engage with the best looking girl in the bar, to be seen engaging with the best looking girl in the bar, to be seen leaving with the best looking girl in the bar, to be seen walking on the street with the best looking girl from the bar, to be seen arriving in the lobby of their hotel with the best looking girl from the bar and for whom what happens in the room is a distant second. Or further down the line than that. As long as it meets the most basic standard fare minimum, everything is "great!
I wish the only challenge I had on the P4P hunt was to find the best looking girl in the bar, no matter how sulky and dismissive of me she is at first, and then simply negotiating for the most reasonable price acceptable to both of us. I honestly can't think of more than 1% of the time when I or anyone reading this couldn't get such a girl to walk out with us and go to our room if that was the most important thing we cared about for the night. Easy.
Some of us take that bitchy demeanor as a sure and early sign that this one will be a bad bet for a good time in the room. And, in my experience, I have yet to be proven wrong on that early impression.
That's why many of us move on as quickly as possible from a girl with a bitchy demeanor on first encounter. It isn't due to a lack of confidence and determination. It is due to our experience telling us this girl very likely has zero value to offer or to sell except for her good looks and it would be a waste of our time, effort and money to go forward expecting anything remotely like a True GFE/Real Sex in the room.Just today, walked down Sukhumvit Soi 23, the several blocks of MP shops, seeing if there was anything interesting. About middle of the way, one shop had a number of cuties, including one, to me, stunner. She had her head down, busy with her mobile. I continued to walk to the end, wanting to check out all before making a commitment. As anyone who's made the walk knows, plenty of come-ONS.
Go back to the cutie shop, stop in front of Miss Stunner. Before I can say anything, she GLANCES up, milliseconds, no eye contact, no smile, nothing. In her world I didn't exist. She then goes back to her phone. Maybe she thought I was waiting for a bus, or was having a heart attack and she didn't want to get involved; I had been to Big C and was carrying a couple of shopping bags. No problem, makes it an easy decision for me. Pass. Yes, I could have told the manager I wanted this girl, paid my money, and had a half-assed massage, poor service from someone who couldn't wait to get back to their phone. Instead, I went elsewhere, with someone who was fun, with good service.
Another reason I'm not particularly keen on young'uns. Too wrapped up in their mobiles. Last year, another MP shop on Soi 23, cute young thing, up for a massage. At the usual moment, she brought up "extras", though her prices were on the high end. I demurred, she turned her back to me, pulled down her pants and shorts, and showed me her wiggling ass... "You want more?" Obviously, excellent marketing skills. Worked on me; made the deal, f / s, good enough to repeat. On the third time (third time's the charm, right?), finished with massage and f / s, 20 minutes to go, she's massaging my head. But it feels lacking. I turn around, and she's massaging my head with one hand, the other texting on her mobile. While I might admire her dexterity with the mobile, split attention is something I don't tolerate. Never have, never will. I get up, grab the towel for the shower. She's "Don't be mad, don't be mad. " "I'm not mad, finished. " And I meant permanently finished. Next time passing by, she's outside with her come-on, she's "You come inside for massage. " I just roll my eyes, with a no thank you. If someone doesn't value my business, pass.
And today, the girl I did take... Had to get her Line ID rather than QR code because she did not bring her mobile to the room; it was downstairs. Fun time with someone who smiles.
Re. Thermae. Am I the only person here who will not shy away from a Thermae (or any P4P} girl just because she doesn't look at me or smile at me? From my experience even if they look bitchy while you cruise around with all the other guys they start smiling once you start talking to them.
It's like going to a non-P4P civilian nightclub. Do you guys only go for the girls who smile at you or do you go talk to the prettiest girls?
Unfortunately, that young girl is likely to return to Isaan than become a hooker. She will either get a retail job there if she's hot or just stay home with family and eat and live for free. Imo it's wishful thinking but I hope I'm very wrong.I don't go to non-p4 p places looking to hook up. No interest in the least. And don't want p4 p places to be work or an ordeal either. Go in, select, have a great GFE / PSE whatever I'm in the mood for, pay, then leave. The only challenge I want is a choice between multiple decent looking and performing women. That's why I chose this place. It required no effort.
On my way home, what's the name of the TV advertisement, that has the tag line "I should have had . . ." popped into my head.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYo0lVVH2wU
I know right now girls are little bit arrogant because they know we're all butterfly and we come just to fuck them for cheap money!
Now, there is a thing I do to be sure the girl will love and to have great session with her! Usually I take only very sexy girl, even if she's a fucking ***** or not! Of course I pay them 1 or 2 drinks, so she has to speak. And then I start to play the very good guy! Each time I go in new gogo, and I say each time that I just arrive today, that it's my first time in Thailand, that I visit all Thailand for 1 month! I start to say that I love Thai people, that everybody is very nice with me! I say that I never make love before with a Thai woman! I play the boy who single, for 6 months because bad girl in my country let me alone! I say that I didn't have sex more than 1 year!
I say that I just would like meet a nice girl, that I would be very happy to invite her for shopping, restaurant. And you know what? It works very well!
When it's in a gogo in BKK, I bring them to my hotel for short time, I say that I m very tired and I want sleep so that why I book her for short time! Each time she gives me her line! I buy few drinks and chips in 7/11 before I go my room! Each time, I play the man in love, I pay her directly when we enter my room!
And each time it s perfect session, and at 99% girls let me fuck them bareback! They even don't ask me to put a condom and I love to creampie them!
I don't go to non-p4 p places looking to hook up. No interest in the least. And don't want p4 p places to be work or an ordeal either. Go in, select, have a great GFE / PSE whatever I'm in the mood for, pay, then leave. The only challenge I want is a choice between multiple decent looking and performing women. That's why I chose this place. It required no effort.
Reading the recent posts across most of the Asian threads seems like it sucks to be a middle aged white male, can't even get a smile from a attractive Asian girl under 30, seems like you guys are going down the path of being a Indian male equivalent on the social sexual scale of desirability. Seems the go to defense is cry racism when its simply the females exercising their right of preference, this naturally goes with the racist explanation of 333 as being the reason for this preference.How in the world did you come to that conclusion based on what you've read here? LOL.
I am quite certain just about any of the punters who get a cold shoulder non response from one of the 5% or so snotty Thermae gurls or a preoccupied smartphone game playing massage shop girl can within minutes score a very hot and eager to please early 20's go-go girl or beer bar girl for True GFE/Real Sex (bareback), something I suspect virtually nobody gets from the snotty 5% Thermae girls at any price anyway, if that is what they require for the evening. Same as I can do any day or night of the week.
Which is another reason not to waste more than 5 seconds with a girl who does not smile or respond positively to an approach. Actually, other than in a unique venue like Thermae, there is rarely a reason for us punters to do the approaching at all.
Ha, I love this need to see if that strategy works next month when I am there. By then some reality should have set in.More likely, utter chaos will have set in. World wide everything is getting worse. News reports 5000 hookers about to return from South Korea. Might not be a great time for mongering.
International flights will be getting more dangerous than normal soon perhaps? I don't know if airport heat signature tests are effective or not.
Get your last few mongering fucks in now, before the spread is too serious, ha ha? Hookers are already struggling badly to pay the bills.
My regular might want to come to my Hotel in Bangkok (assuming I stay in BKK), since her normal work avenues have probably dried up badly.
Can guys still get BBBJ or has that dried up as well? I haven't mongered for a period, so I don't know what the real situation is other than what girls tell me by message.
Which is another reason not to waste more than 5 seconds with a girl who does not smile or respond positively to an approach. Actually, other than in a unique venue like Thermae, there is rarely a reason for us punters to do the approaching at all.Might be good advice to me, since the ones I approach usually don't want me (or are clueless on the bed), and the ones who obviously want me, are usually not my choice. Easier for me not to waste time visiting the Thermae.
Recently was sorting through old photos and found a few of a wild Christmas party at the Thermae Soapy (at the old location) close to 30 years ago. I heard from one of the girls that I used to do, that her friend, a good looking girl, eventually became HIV + after many years of barebacking (I assume) and lots of Thai customers. She had a pimp / BF too so possible he gave it to her also. HIV takes a huge back seat now, with the new Virus, which is vastly more dangerous (from statistical point of view).
Banana Boi
03-04-20, 05:27
News reports 5000 hookers about to return from South Korea. Might not be a great time for mongering.Are they voluntarily returning to Thailand because of the coronavirus or are their visas not being renewed after 90 days? I know quite a few gogo girls currently working in Seoul, Busan, and Daegu.
there is a thing I do to be sure the girl will love and to have great session with her! Usually I take only very sexy girl, even if she's a fucking ***** or not! Of course I pay them 1 or 2 drinks, so she has to speak. And then I start to play the very good guy! Each time I go in new gogo, and I say each time that I just arrive today, that it's my first time in Thailand, that I visit all Thailand for 1 month! I start to say that I love Thai people, that everybody is very nice with me! I say that I never make love before with a Thai woman! I play the boy who single, for 6 months because bad girl in my country let me alone! I say that I didn't have sex more than 1 year!
I say that I just would like meet a nice girl, that I would be very happy to invite her for shopping, restaurant. And you know what? It works very well!
This is the total opposite of what I would do especially with gogo girls. Once they smell you out as a newbie and they know you like them they will take you for everything you have. imo better to say you have been to Thailand before and talk like you know what you are doing. But if your technique works for you keep at it. We all do things differently.
most of the Asian threads seems like it sucks to be a middle aged white male, can't even get a smile from a attractive Asian girl under 30
That's because most of the Farang here are well above what I would consider middle aged and they never take it in to consideration that being in their late 50's and above may have something to do with the reason why they can't get the best girls.
Franciscass
03-04-20, 05:38
While chances of catching the virus are still minimal I now insist girls wash their hands thoroughly whether it's just a normal massage or full service.
Kissing is out and any hint of coughing or sneezing and I'm nowhere her face, think doggy style, reverse cowboy flat on her stomach upside down whatever. All a bit OTT I know but it works for me. Also important letting her believe this is exactly how you like it to avoid any negative vibe for her.
Might be good advice to me, since the ones I approach usually don't want me (or are clueless on the bed), and the ones who obviously want me, are usually not my choice. Easier for me not to waste time visiting the Thermae.
...My P4P source preferences generally revolve around online Booty Call/FL/Dating sites (I maintain long term paid subscriptions to ThaiCupid, ThaiFriendly and Tinder), FLs on the street or in bars, go-go bar girls and beer bar girls. I am not generally a soapy, massage shop, PSE shop or disco club guy.
I should add that it does not serve my ultimate service level goals and requirements well (mostly BBFS+CIP, secondarily a BBBJ+CIM, preferably and ideally with a Swallow finish but acceptable without on first encounter) to zero in on the best looker in the room or among the top 5% best lookers in the room in order to regularly acheive those goals in a relatively logical, practical, sane and finacially viable way. Not just in Thermae. Anywhere. I am happy to draw from the top 6% - 20% best lookers in the room for that. LOL.
So my ongoing observations and experiences on the ground during this extraordinary time are drawn mostly from any changes I might detect from those above mentioned options.
With those parameters in place, here are some changes I have already noticed as an expat living here these days and as I make my rounds as usual:
1. I am getting a LOT more than normal hits from very good looking FLs on Tinder. Ordinarily, I might be lucky to get 3-4 unsolicited hits from real female lookers per week on Tinder. I am getting that many every other day now. I am getting a couple more than usual such unsolicited hits on ThaiFriendly but not as dramatic a jump as on Tinder. No real noticeable change on ThaiCupid.
2. I get more lingering stares and smiles from presumably regular, non P4P girls working or shopping in the malls, at restaurants, etc.
3. I am seeing new and imo much better looking than usual FLs walking on Sukhumvit and standing in Soi 4. And they are far more demonstrably smiling, speaking to me and lobbying for my attention when I pass by, something the best lookers on those strolls rarely did more than a cursory smile in response to my smiling and speaking to them.
4. Not much noticable change for me in the welcome or, most importantly, the service level negotiation results in the go-go bars and beer bars, except in the below #5 way.
5. I am getting swamped by out of the blue Line message requests from girls I'd been with only 1-2 times from the dating sites and go-go bars needing to see me again because they "miss me so much." I am talking about better looking than most girls I had BBFS+CIP with but whose overall chemistry with me was too lacking for me to go for seconds or more. Apparently, some of them have realized they should have expressed their genuine love and appreciation for me more fully and sincerely at the time and would really like another opportunity to do so as soon as possible 😉.
There are definite changes occuring during this time. I will update more where it applies as time goes on.
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That's because most of the Farang here are well above what I would consider middle aged and they never take it in to consideration that being in their late 50's and above may have something to do with the reason why they can't get the best girls.LOL. I think you are still missing the point. Getting the best (looking?) girls to go with you, me or just about anyone reading this in Thailand is one of the easiest challenges to meet in the P4P World. As long as you are willing to pay her going rate and accept the level of service such girls will almost certainly deliver.
For some of us, maybe because we are older and have been there and done that so often already, that likely level of service is not enough for us to fall for it again just to take pride in being seen walking off with the best looker in the room.
Reading the recent posts across most of the Asian threads seems like it sucks to be a middle aged white male, can't even get a smile from a attractive Asian girl under 30, seems like you guys are going down the path of being a Indian male equivalent on the social sexual scale of desirability. Seems the go to defense is cry racism when its simply the females exercising their right of preference, this naturally goes with the racist explanation of 333 as being the reason for this preference.Well, I'm Black-American and I've have gotten very mild racism from very few women in Thailand. There was one time I happened to get off at Surasak Station to meet a friend. When I passed the turnstile to exit, there was one Thai woman who I passed who held her nose as if I stunk. There was another time I was on my way to Santika in a taxi (before the Santika fire) to meet up with a girl I met off Tagged. 'The boys in brown' stopped the cab and asked me to exit. They searched me for drugs which of course, I had none. They asked for my passport and when I showed them, they were all smiles and let me go. If you've been here long enough in Thailand, you can obviously source where the blame comes from. It rhymes with hysteria.
I know right now girls are little bit arrogant because they know we're all butterfly and we come just to fuck them for cheap money!
Now, there is a thing I do to be sure the girl will love and to have great session with her! Usually I take only very sexy girl, even if she's a fucking ***** or not! Of course I pay them 1 or 2 drinks, so she has to speak. And then I start to play the very good guy! Each time I go in new gogo, and I say each time that I just arrive today, that it's my first time in Thailand, that I visit all Thailand for 1 month! I start to say that I love Thai people, that everybody is very nice with me! I say that I never make love before with a Thai woman! I play the boy who single, for 6 months because bad girl in my country let me alone! I say that I didn't have sex more than 1 year!
I say that I just would like meet a nice girl, that I would be very happy to invite her for shopping, restaurant. And you know what? It works very well!
When it's in a gogo in BKK, I bring them to my hotel for short time, I say that I m very tired and I want sleep so that why I book her for short time! Each time she gives me her line! I buy few drinks and chips in 7/11 before I go my room! Each time, I play the man in love, I pay her directly when we enter my room!
And each time it s perfect session, and at 99% girls let me fuck them bareback! They even don't ask me to put a condom and I love to creampie them!I absolutely agree with your overall approach to successfully getting a True GFE/Real Sex session, meaning BBFS+CIP. In fact, I know several punters who play the game exactly that way in order to greatly improve their chances of getting BBFS+CIP.
It isn't necessary or advisable to go that route if you are fine with basic, standard condom covered service from the girls. But if you want BBFS+CIP quality service, I know your approach works well for many.
Unfortunately, I live in Ground Zero of the Bangkok red light district and the working girls here have seen me coming and going with all manner of other working girls and regular girls. LOL. So that "newbie, never had much sex" act won't work for me.
I know right now girls are little bit arrogant because they know we're all butterfly and we come just to fuck them for cheap money!
Now, there is a thing I do to be sure the girl will love and to have great session with her! Usually I take only very sexy girl, even if she's a fucking ***** or not! Of course I pay them 1 or 2 drinks, so she has to speak. And then I start to play the very good guy! Each time I go in new gogo, and I say each time that I just arrive today, that it's my first time in Thailand, that I visit all Thailand for 1 month! I start to say that I love Thai people, that everybody is very nice with me! I say that I never make love before with a Thai woman! I play the boy who single, for 6 months because bad girl in my country let me alone! I say that I didn't have sex more than 1 year!
I say that I just would like meet a nice girl, that I would be very happy to invite her for shopping, restaurant. And you know what? It works very well!
When it's in a gogo in BKK, I bring them to my hotel for short time, I say that I m very tired and I want sleep so that why I book her for short time! Each time she gives me her line! I buy few drinks and chips in 7/11 before I go my room! Each time, I play the man in love, I pay her directly when we enter my room!
And each time it s perfect session, and at 99% girls let me fuck them bareback! They even don't ask me to put a condom and I love to creampie them!Surprised to see guys in modern era still fuck bareback to WG! Aren't you afraid?
That's because most of the Farang here are well above what I would consider middle aged and they never take it in to consideration that being in their late 50's and above may have something to do with the reason why they can't get the best girls.The reason many of us moved here in our mid-30's was because we saw the 50 and 60 year old dudes with the best gals, which was the case 20 years ago. It gave you peace of mind that your golden years would be full of great looking p4 p gals. Sadly, that is not the case now. Ageism is now a huge factor here.
The reason many of us moved here in our mid-30's was because we saw the 50 and 60 year old dudes with the best gals, which was the case 20 years ago. It gave you peace of mind that your golden years would be full of great looking p4 p gals. Sadly, that is not the case now. Ageism is now a huge factor here.Are you talking about regular girlfriends and live ins? Because I really don't see ageism interfering with ordinary P4 P encounters. Not for men under age 80 or something, that is.
I see some of the best looking girls in the bars sitting ON, drinking with and leaving with some pretty damn out of shape old dudes of all ethnicities. I rarely see one holding out for the youngest, best looking men in the bar. And I see some lovely young things sitting in, say, Monsoon with farangs who look like they could be my dad. Possibly escorts or other dating site meet ups.
The cold shoulder for farangs (of any age) from the best lookers in places like Thermae or 2-3 go-go bars around town are exceptions.
And, as you have pointed out, some of that is due to the fact that the girls in venues with predominantly Asian clientele don't want to be seen flirting with or, god forbid, leaving with a farang for fear of being put on a "No Fly List" by their Asian customers overly sensitive about such things.
Crocodilexp
03-04-20, 13:23
The reason many of us moved here in our mid-30's was because we saw the 50 and 60 year old dudes with the best gals, which was the case 20 years ago. It gave you peace of mind that your golden years would be full of great looking p4 p gals. Sadly, that is not the case now. Ageism is now a huge factor here.Well said. I moved to Thailand in my late 20's and I remember being mildly annoyed I was getting roughly the same quality girls, mostly from the same pool, as 50 year old Farang geezers (and I'm not talking rich or smooth ones). On the other hand, the thought that I'd have a similar privilege in my 50's was comforting. Alas, it was not to be.
I get a sense this goes beyond the dating market, that Thais in general respect Farang far less than 10-20 years ago. We have dropped a few rungs in the social hierarchy. In the past, Farang had a significant undeserved boost in status, right now we're about where we should be, but given the trend, I'm afraid in a few years we'll be too low for comfort, perhaps on par with where Indian men are today.
In an egalitarian society where casual racism is considered unacceptable, I wouldn't be too concerned. However, in a hierarchical place like Thailand, status matters way more than is immediately obvious.
Getting a steady stream of big breasted attractive Thai women on my fb account so they re about there looking for some kind of action. Can't be sure if they're pros or semi pros but will be fun finding out.
We arrived to Nana Plaza around 19:30, at that time girls still eating their dinner on balconies and more ladies arriving. Still happy hour so got a few cheaper beers in beer garden and watched people. Around 20:30 more farangs coming in and we moved to:
Angelwitch. Last year our favorite bar due rock music and atmosphere. This year same mammasan, same DJ, same security but it was bad. Girls except main dancer mostly bad, uninterested or simply ugly / fat with serious orange skin. They played disco songs and choreo was worst than elementary school theater. Got 1 happy hour beer and run away, disappointment.
Spankys: mainly hotties, good shows (especially the one with cucumber), friendly security and mix of younger / older customers, fun and ladies seemed to enjoy. We were looking for lady to potentially join us for threesome and felt we would be able to find willing and suitable one. Tipped one in shower tub and got hot soapy show. Enjoyed watching other people and generally female friendly place as well.
We left for Soi Cowboy and went to:
Suzie Wong: pretty full, more female customers than anywhere else, watched the strange ping-pong performance, lesbian show (full naked, pussy licking). Had a few beers and wanted to see more bars to compare.
Barracuda: Worst, girls with in swimsuit bra and skirt, totally bored, uninterested, felt like forced adult entertainment. Quick drink and off.
Dollyhouse: Only a few uninterested girls, not a single hottie, felt they are totally bored. Managed to get out without a need to buy an overpriced drink.
Suzie Wong: Went back, 1 AM, had few more drinks, spotted two hotties which we wanted to call to join us. Other couple was faster however suddenly 2 other girls came to us, one asked me to dance (I agreed) and the other sat next to my boyfriend and asked if I don't mind which I didn't. After a few seconds of dance with my lady she started to kiss me, very sensually and very good technique. She sat on my lap and we cuddled. Unfortunately she was in swimsuit and her bra was heavily padded so too small boobs for my taste, the other one trying to warm up my boyfriend however she was not pretty at all and a bit pushy. He did not enjoy. We bought them ladydrinks (220 baths each), and kept them for more fun. Mine was really into lesbian action, she enjoyed and probably likes ladies more. We paid one more lady drink and left because the other one was too pushy and not turned on my guy. We were tired after long flight but ladies if you are looking for companion and genuine experience I would opt for Suzie.
With regards to crowds. We enjoyed less smoking rude Chinese customers otherwise it is still lively place and no coronavirus hysteria.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYo0lVVH2wUThanks, that's the one.
Reading the recent posts across most of the Asian threads seems like it sucks to be a middle aged white male, can't even get a smile from a attractive Asian girl under 30
How in the world did you come to that conclusion based on what you've read here? LOL.
I am quite certain just about any of the punters who get a cold shoulder non response from one of the 5% or so snotty Thermae gurls or a preoccupied smartphone game playing massage shop girl can within minutes score a very hot and eager to please early 20's go-go girl or beer bar girl for True GFE/Real Sex (bareback), something I suspect virtually nobody gets from the snotty 5% Thermae girls at any price anyway, if that is what they require for the evening. Same as I can do any day or night of the week.As EihYoom says, one that doesn't smile, 9 that do. I could have taken 3 steps in either direction and found a cutie (there were several). Or walked 1/2 block in either direction and been successful. Or jumped on the Skytrain (it'll always be Skytrain to me, not BTS), 1 stop, and I know a stunner with a DAZZLING smile.
What I DON'T understand is the age hangup. If a girl LOOKS mid-twenties to me, what do I care what her ID card actually says, if it's mid-thirties? I'm NOT the census bureau. She IS 25 to me.
Long time ago, Dubai York bar, I approached a couple of PRC's. Spoke to one, she looked at me and said, "You too old", and walked away. (No harm, no foul.) But her friend stepped up. Grabbed my arm and said, "Don't worry, she CRAZY, she not understand. Young man want to f*ck all night, hard work. Old man want to f*ck one time, then sleep. Good work. I LIKE old man. " Had me laughing out-loud even if I did have to prove her wrong. It was twice before I fell asleep, with a morning wake-up.
For some of us, maybe because we are older and have been there and done that so often already, that likely level of service is not enough for us to fall for it again just to take pride in being seen walking off with the best looker in the room.So true. Been there, done that, lesson learned, and I try hard to remember it. Nothing better than a cute smiling face looking up at you, or back at you in the mirror. My self-esteem is just fine without any artificial props.
Get your last few mongering fucks in now, before the spread is too serious, ha ha? Hookers are already struggling badly to pay the bills.
My regular might want to come to my Hotel in Bangkok (assuming I stay in BKK), since her normal work avenues have probably dried up badly.
Can guys still get BBBJ or has that dried up as well? I haven't mongered for a period, so I don't know what the real situation is other than what girls tell me by message.Visited Tulip today. Ying told me that she didn't have ANY customers from 13:00 to midnight yesterday. If I understood her correctly, there were no customers for any of the girls.
Have received BBBJ's many times in the past 2 weeks, noticeable exception Doki Doki. And not just from SOL, World, etc. Plenty of other establishments offering such.
I get a sense this goes beyond the dating market, that Thais in general respect Farang far less than 10-20 years ago. We have dropped a few rungs in the social hierarchy. In the past, Farang had a significant undeserved boost in status, right now we're about where we should be, but given the trend, I'm afraid in a few years we'll be too low for comfort, perhaps on par with where Indian men are today.
In an egalitarian society where casual racism is considered unacceptable, I wouldn't be too concerned. However, in a hierarchical place like Thailand, status matters way more than is immediately obvious.I kind of agree, but I think it's also due to the sheer number of Farang's here now. 25 years ago, Sukhumvit Soi 55 was nothing but shop houses. You could walk the length and not see any foreigners. Last year, I swear, there were blocks when I didn't see any THAIS, and this was pre-virus. Walking down lower Sukhumvit 25 years ago, you passed a Thai girl (not P4 P, but civilian), smiled, and you got a smile in return. Now? Like any big, modern city, other people are just blobs of meat to go by as you're on the way somewhere. No eye contact, no smile, or at least a lot less. Don't want to fully blame mobile phones, but certainly less person to person. A number busy on their phones.
The times they are a'changing.
It rhymes with hysteria.Sorry, I'm a bit thick, with no rhyming skills. Bit of help, please.
Out of shape old dudes of all ethnicities. I rarely see one holding out for the youngest, best looking men in the bar. And I see some lovely young things sitting in, say, Monsoon with farangs who look like they could be my dad. Possibly escorts or other dating site meet ups.
The cold shoulder for farangs (of any age) from the best lookers in places like Thermae or 2-3 go-go bars around town are exceptions.
And, as you have pointed out, some of that is due to the fact that the girls in venues with predominantly Asian clientele don't want to be seen flirting with or, god forbid, leaving with a farang for fear of being put on a "No Fly List" by their Asian customers overly sensitive about such things.I think you have hit the nail on the HEAD here.
Leaving the 333 jokes out of it. I don't'take them seriously, it's just a joke. Though my one Thermae girl with me being her only farang customer DID giggle at it (for me, I say it to blow people some shit. Completely not serious).
BUT.
I have spent time in East Asia. There is definitely an attitude among many of those guys that they don't want girls who have been infected by whitey. (the older generations all thought, perhaps still think that Veneral diseases much less HIV was something only carried by "foreigners"(usually white, or African of course, they are quite racist toward many blacks) .
So for a girl working in a venue frequented by mostly Asian men, why would she risk customers who might not want her because she's smiling at, much less fucking whitey? (the few, occasional ones that operate in there).
So personally, I don't take such ttitudes from some of those Thermae girls personally at all. It's just business. And it's all good, because I am also completely uninterested in the "demure", cutesy, plastic / fake / surgical look sought by a certain percentage of the Asian clientele. So it all works out nicely. They want what I don't.
anyways, back to the point . in both Korea and Japan (especially Japan I believe) in many if not most venues, the local P4P joints will NOT accept a foreign customer.
why not? (as money is money?>)
SAME PRINCIPLE .. they don't want to "turn off" their main customer base which is sensitive to this.
Visited Tulip today. Ying told me that she didn't have ANY customers from 13:00 to midnight yesterday. If I understood her correctly, there were no customers for any of the girls.
Have received BBBJ's many times in the past 2 weeks, noticeable exception Doki Doki. And not just from SOL, World, etc. Plenty of other establishments offering such.Certainly lack of customers is due to the virus scare. And when you think about the number of dudes from Korea, Japan, HK, etc that these oily gals have been seeing and swapping spit with every week, it kind of makes one hesitate. And I'm certainly not the paranoid cautious type.
Are you talking about regular girlfriends and live ins? Because I really don't see ageism interfering with ordinary P4 P encounters. Not for men under age 80 or something, that is.
I see some of the best looking girls in the bars sitting ON, drinking with and leaving with some pretty damn out of shape old dudes of all ethnicities. I rarely see one holding out for the youngest, best looking men in the bar. And I see some lovely young things sitting in, say, Monsoon with farangs who look like they could be my dad. Possibly escorts or other dating site meet ups.
The cold shoulder for farangs (of any age) from the best lookers in places like Thermae or 2-3 go-go bars around town are exceptions.
And, as you have pointed out, some of that is due to the fact that the girls in venues with predominantly Asian clientele don't want to be seen flirting with or, god forbid, leaving with a farang for fear of being put on a "No Fly List" by their Asian customers overly sensitive about such things.Was actually referring to both really. Old dudes had the pick in the bars and the ones who had live-ins had very attractive ones. Now I see young guys will gals I would not give a second look to. Amazing.
Well said. I moved to Thailand in my late 20's and I remember being mildly annoyed I was getting roughly the same quality girls, mostly from the same pool, as 50 year old Farang geezers (and I'm not talking rich or smooth ones). On the other hand, the thought that I'd have a similar privilege in my 50's was comforting. Alas, it was not to be.
I get a sense this goes beyond the dating market, that Thais in general respect Farang far less than 10-20 years ago. We have dropped a few rungs in the social hierarchy. In the past, Farang had a significant undeserved boost in status, right now we're about where we should be, but given the trend, I'm afraid in a few years we'll be too low for comfort, perhaps on par with where Indian men are today.
In an egalitarian society where casual racism is considered unacceptable, I wouldn't be too concerned. However, in a hierarchical place like Thailand, status matters way more than is immediately obvious.I agree with your assessment 100%. We have dropped off in our desirability big time.
I agree with your assessment 100%. We have dropped off in our desirability big time.The "too many farang" now comment is also correct.
We've lost our "exoticity" bonus. And too many old horny sexpat geezers give Thailand a bad name.
(though the overwhelming majority of farangs on lower Sukhumvit are the well earning "family entertainment"farang crowd, who lives there with their families).
Was actually referring to both really. Old dudes had the pick in the bars and the ones who had live-ins had very attractive ones. Now I see young guys will gals I would not give a second look to. Amazing.I see. But that sounds more like you are seeing less attractive women in the scene across the board, not that the most attractive ones are only agreeing to service younger men.
In my observation, it is rare to see the best looking girls (by today's standards) in a go-go bar even approach the youngest, fittest customers in the place, much less walk out with one. Their leaving with men clearly in their 50s or 60s is commonplace.
I see. But that sounds more like you are seeing less attractive women in the scene across the board, not that the most attractive ones are only agreeing to service younger men.
In my observation, it is rare to see the best looking girls (by today's standards) in a go-go bar even approach the youngest, fittest customers in the place, much less walk out with one. Their leaving with men clearly in their 50s or 60s is commonplace.I agree there are far fewer attractive gals in the scene. Of course my tastes have changed since I moved here as well. One day you wake up and most Isaan gals just don't look that good. I really do the GoGo scene so I can't comment, but I will say that in FL places like Thermae the young guys have it. Same seems to go for soi 6 in Pattaya.
The "too many farang" now comment is also correct.
We've lost our "exoticity" bonus. And too many old horny sexpat geezers give Thailand a bad name.
(though the overwhelming majority of farangs on lower Sukhumvit are the well earning "family entertainment"farang crowd, who lives there with their families).I think there are far fewer old horny sexpats then there were 20 years ago. There are also a lot more young farang dudes. But most are not at all interested in p4 p. I do see some young farang dudes with some very good looking gals, but for the most part I see them with gals I wouldn't give a second look to. They are dating at the same level they would be back home. Sad.
I think there are far fewer old horny sexpats then there were 20 years ago. There are also a lot more young farang dudes. But most are not at all interested in p4 p. I do see some young farang dudes with some very good looking gals, but for the most part I see them with gals I wouldn't give a second look to. They are dating at the same level they would be back home. Sad.I agree, this is pretty much spot on.
I see. But that sounds more like you are seeing less attractive women in the scene across the board, not that the most attractive ones are only agreeing to service younger men.
...By the same token, you see a hell of a lot of beautiful girls working at regular jobs. Sales promotion girls, bank employees. For example nearly all Bangkok Bank employees in central Pattaya strike me as being as sexy and good-looking as the best go-go bar girls except the bank employees are markedly taller to boot. This is the real shift that has taken place.
By the same token, you see a hell of a lot of beautiful girls working at regular jobs. Sales promotion girls, bank employees. For example nearly all Bangkok Bank employees in central Pattaya strike me as being as sexy and good-looking as the best go-go bar girls except the bank employees are markedly taller to boot. This is the real shift that has taken place.Agreed. Lots of very attractive non-p4 p gals. But they are for sure not interested in older men, whereas 20 years ago, they were. That's economic development for you.
I agree there are far fewer attractive gals in the scene. Of course my tastes have changed since I moved here as well. One day you wake up and most Isaan gals just don't look that good. I really do the GoGo scene so I can't comment, but I will say that in FL places like Thermae the young guys have it. Same seems to go for soi 6 in Pattaya.P4P girls in Thermae and in most of Pattaya exude a similar grindingly boring "too cool for you" attitude. It seems to be ingrained in the current prevailing Customer-Hooker dynamic. As you say, very different from the past.
But even a 27 year old male friend I was with a few weeks ago in Pattaya who really "has it" that every girl in Pattaya wanted could not find a session with any of the girls he took on Soi 6 or Walking Street bars he'd want to repeat even for free.
He used to live in Bangkok and, not coincidentally, had the same "meh" reaction to any session he had with Thermae girls.
Now he focuses on the dating sites for side trips from his Thai girlfriend and mother of their baby.
I've been wondering where the stunners are too, spend about a week and a half in Pattaya and a week in Bangkok.
There are pretty girls for sure, but they've all had a baby or 2. Every once in a while you find a 20-21 yr old who hasn't but they are hard to find.
I never knew about thermae until I read this post last week, went to go check it out. It was absolutely jam packed with girls, like 200 inside at least and another 50 or so outside.
I'm not a bad looking guy and quite young (30), normally I get quite a bit of attention from regular non P4P Thai girls, But in thermae it seemed out of the 200 only 5 or so even had a interest in talking to me.
Definitely a different vibe there, 98% Asian men, and even boys, saw a couple of Korean boys in their early 20's getting lots of attention but they were just looking.
Some more friendly girls were sitting outside and found myself a 24 yr old banker which was quite pretty.
I just keep wondering where the fit 18-22 yr olds are hiding, I really do like a little muscle tone on the stomach.
I haven't been to soi cowboy in years, is it better in this regard than nana? Or am I missing out on more fun freelance places?
P4P girls in Thermae and in most of Pattaya exude a similar grindingly boring "too cool for you" attitude. It seems to be ingrained in the current prevailing Customer-Hooker dynamic. As you say, very different from the past.
But even a 27 year old male friend I was with a few weeks ago in Pattaya who really "has it" that every girl in Pattaya wanted could not find a session with any of the girls he took on Soi 6 or Walking Street bars he'd want to repeat even for free.
He used to live in Bangkok and, not coincidentally, had the same "meh" reaction to any session he had with Thermae girls.
Now he focuses on the dating sites for side trips from his Thai girlfriend and mother of their baby.The white man is just not in favor these days.
Franciscass
03-05-20, 12:02
Geez is it really getting that bleak out there. Good old days gone, prices up, looks and standards down, attitudes atrocious, too many Asians dominating the landscape, farangs no longer king now often getting the cold shoulder, bare body sex hard to get, too many fake noses and tats, immigration a pain in the ass, pandemic virus spreading, pollution levels off the charts.
Or could it be.
Adjusted for inflation prices are mostly still reasonable, Thai women are still the nicest and most beautiful in the world, farangs rather than Asians are still who Thai women prefer as husbands, the problem getting bare body sex is a result of the girls being smarter when it comes to their health, nose jobs and tats are really not that much of a turn off, if you follow the rules immigration is straightforward, and yes pollution is a problem but it's a problem most everywhere in developing economies.
Personally I'm fortunate to live where ever I want but I choose to live here most of the year because I love the people I love the food and I love the massages++.
More likely, utter chaos will have set in. World wide everything is getting worse. News reports 5000 hookers about to return from South Korea. Might not be a great time for mongering.
International flights will be getting more dangerous than normal soon perhaps? I don't know if airport heat signature tests are effective or not.
Get your last few mongering fucks in now, before the spread is too serious, ha ha? Hookers are already struggling badly to pay the bills.
My regular might want to come to my Hotel in Bangkok (assuming I stay in BKK), since her normal work avenues have probably dried up badly.
Can guys still get BBBJ or has that dried up as well? I haven't mongered for a period, so I don't know what the real situation is other than what girls tell me by message.I'm in Frankfurt right now and it is incredible. You enter an FKK (especially Oase and Palace) and you see no guys, only girls everywhere who all make a bee line for you. The mongers are spooked but the girls must eat. In the rooms everything is still on the menu.
.......... any hint of coughing or sneezing and I'm nowhere her face, think doggy style, reverse cowboy flat on her stomach upside down whatever. All a bit OTT .........OTT? If I am anywhere and someone coughs or sneezes I'm out of there.
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Or could it be.
Adjusted for inflation prices are mostly still reasonable, Thai women are still the nicest and most beautiful in the world, farangs rather than Asians are still who Thai women prefer as husbands, the problem getting bare body sex is a result of the girls being smarter when it comes to their health, nose jobs and tats are really not that much of a turn off, if you follow the rules immigration is straightforward, and yes pollution is a problem but it's a problem most everywhere in developing economies.
Personally I'm fortunate to live where ever I want but I choose to live here most of the year because I love the people I love the food and I love the massages++.My experience has been close to that except for one thing; bareback sex is much easier to get now than it was decades ago and easier now than it was just 4-5 years ago. And it has nothing to do with girls being more willing to agree to it due to lower customer traffic. This was already happening before coronovirus was in the news.
Also, other than the very best looking top 5% or so girls in Thermae and some in 2-3 go-go bars around town, I really have not observed or experienced much of a cold shoulder rejection of older farang customers in favor of young men of any ethnicity.
I did something I usually don't like to do yesterday. I had a Short Time in my apartment in the early evening, around 6PM, instead of later at night. The reason I don't like to do that is because, at almost 67 years old and living here in Bangkok, I have pretty much shot all the bullets I care to shoot on a given day or evening and now I have nothing of a sexual nature left to to look forward to for the rest of the long night. Only eat, walk around, check out the sights, watch the parade, encounter a buddy or two for a chat. But I got an offer I could not refuse from a 20-something year old girl with an knockout body, an even more wonderful pussy and a more than passable, sexy face I'd met on the BTS train a few weeks ago. So I accepted.
Then around 10:30PM I happened to be passing Thermae and decided to stop in for a soda and to continue monitoring the reduced customer issue of late. The first thing I noticed that seemed a bit different was a couple of very good looking real females standing at the top of the steps smiled broadly, nodded and looked as though they were really happy to see me. Damn. Typical. Whenever I am not really looking to take a girl, the best looking ones start reaching out to me. LOL.
Inside, I took the stroll around and, I'll be damned, the "welcome" is much more demonstrative, even from the best looking girls in the line up, than I'd experienced in my two previous strolls through the place over the past couple of weekends. Very nice smiles here, even nicer smiles over there. A semi-hottie on the left side reaches out to grab my hand as I pass and it turns out to be a better than average looking Thermae girl I'd taken a few months ago on a whim and had totally forgotten. She was "No, No, a Thousand Times No" to BBFS+CIP in the room at the time but, no matter, I settled for a pretty good BBFS+CIM to salvage the situation. Well, THIS night she seemed to be signalling me as non verbally as possible that she so wants me to take her she will say Yes to anything and everything. I mean practically begging me to take her in front of everyone. But, of course, there is no way to really know that for sure because the hellish anti-negotiation conditions in those Thermae line-ups make it impossible to talk about anything important except "How much?" And, honestly, I wouldn't have been all that interested in taking her again even if my gun belt was loaded with bullets and she said Yes to my every wish.
I resumed my stroll around the bar and, again, I can't get over how demonstrably interested in me taking them almost every girl was. That damn curse of getting so much proactive attention when I am really not prepared to or all that interested in taking a girl anyway!
Or was it more than that?
I looked around again and, it finally dawned on me. There were very, very few Asian customers in there at that hour on that night. Seriously. Unlike the last couple of times I cruised through when it was quite crowded with Asian customers and the "top 5%" best lookers were throwing me the coldest shoulder I have felt in a while, this night there were very few Asian "witnesses" to these girls smiling, flirting and reaching out to me. Yes, even among the "top 5%" best lookers in there.
Sure, I suppose it could have been simply the fact that there were so few customers in there of any ethnicity in the first place, that even somewhat elderly farangs were now a hot item. But what I experienced last night compared with previous nights definitely supported the theory that much of this cold shoulder for farangs bit with some (not all) Thermae girls is really all about them not wanting to be seen by their more predominant potential customer demographic to be "into" going with a farang customer.
I really had the feeling that I was being invited, not challenged, to approach, get a positive response and an agreement to go with virtually any girl in the place last night, except for maybe 1% of the No Farang holdouts. Now, whether or not any of those hotter Thermae girls would have been agreeable to MY kind of True GFE/Real Sex arrangement is a totally different question and one I did not ask of any of them, not being interested in taking one anyway. I'm guessing not many at all would have gone for that. Yet. But if I had been roaring to take a girl and was the kind of punter who is fine with basic, standard, covered almost everything fare, I don't think all but a handful of Thermae girls would have grimaced and turned away from even the most elderly farang on the hunt last night.
Member #4733
03-06-20, 13:31
Thermae revisitedPerfect info. Thanks. Sadly staying in Europe for quite some time.
Guys,
I'd be grateful if anyone could help me out with some updates / information, If anyone is in Bangkok, Pattaya or Phuket I'd really appreciate if you could please let me know about the mongering scenario due to the ongoing virus scare.
1) How crowded is it everywhere on the walking streets of these cities?
2) Are their girls in the Go Go's? Are there crowds at the various clubs?
3) Are all the places open or only some are open?
4) Have these places lost their charm due to the virus?
I am planning on coming to these places and it would help me make a decision if I should continue or postpone my trip.
Regards,
TheTank.
I was at Therme 2 weeks ago and I was the only non-asian there. Most of the ladies did not make eye contact but I still was able to pick up 3 different ladies. I still had a good time regardless of some of the attitudes.
I did something I usually don't like to do yesterday. I had a Short Time in my apartment in the early evening, around 6PM, instead of later at night. The reason I don't like to do that is because, at almost 67 years old and living here in Bangkok, I have pretty much shot all the bullets I care to shoot on a given day or evening and now I have nothing of a sexual nature left to to look forward to for the rest of the long night. Only eat, walk around, check out the sights, watch the parade, encounter a buddy or two for a chat. But I got an offer I could not refuse from a 20-something year old girl with an knockout body, an even more wonderful pussy and a more than passable, sexy face I'd met on the BTS train a few weeks ago. So I accepted.
Then around 10:30PM I happened to be passing Thermae and decided to stop in for a soda and to continue monitoring the reduced customer issue of late. The first thing I noticed that seemed a bit different was a couple of very good looking real females standing at the top of the steps smiled broadly, nodded and looked as though they were really happy to see me. Damn. Typical. Whenever I am not really looking to take a girl, the best looking ones start reaching out to me. LOL.
Inside, I took the stroll around and, I'll be damned, the "welcome" is much more demonstrative, even from the best looking girls in the line up, than I'd experienced in my two previous strolls through the place over the past couple of weekends. Very nice smiles here, even nicer smiles over there. A semi-hottie on the left side reaches out to grab my hand as I pass and it turns out to be a better than average looking Thermae girl I'd taken a few months ago on a whim and had totally forgotten. She was "No, No, a Thousand Times No" to BBFS+CIP in the room at the time but, no matter, I settled for a pretty good BBFS+CIM to salvage the situation. Well, THIS night she seemed to be signalling me as non verbally as possible that she so wants me to take her she will say Yes to anything and everything. I mean practically begging me to take her in front of everyone. But, of course, there is no way to really know that for sure because the hellish anti-negotiation conditions in those Thermae line-ups make it impossible to talk about anything important except "How much?" And, honestly, I wouldn't have been all that interested in taking her again even if my gun belt was loaded with bullets and she said Yes to my every wish.
I resumed my stroll around the bar and, again, I can't get over how demonstrably interested in me taking them almost every girl was. That damn curse of getting so much proactive attention when I am really not prepared to or all that interested in taking a girl anyway!
Or was it more than that?
I looked around again and, it finally dawned on me. There were very, very few Asian customers in there at that hour on that night. Seriously. Unlike the last couple of times I cruised through when it was quite crowded with Asian customers and the "top 5%" best lookers were throwing me the coldest shoulder I have felt in a while, this night there were very few Asian "witnesses" to these girls smiling, flirting and reaching out to me. Yes, even among the "top 5%" best lookers in there.
Sure, I suppose it could have been simply the fact that there were so few customers in there of any ethnicity in the first place, that even somewhat elderly farangs were now a hot item. But what I experienced last night compared with previous nights definitely supported the theory that much of this cold shoulder for farangs bit with some (not all) Thermae girls is really all about them not wanting to be seen by their more predominant potential customer demographic to be "into" going with a farang customer.
I really had the feeling that I was being invited, not challenged, to approach, get a positive response and an agreement to go with virtually any girl in the place last night, except for maybe 1% of the No Farang holdouts. Now, whether or not any of those hotter Thermae girls would have been agreeable to MY kind of True GFE/Real Sex arrangement is a totally different question and one I did not ask of any of them, not being interested in taking one anyway. I'm guessing not many at all would have gone for that. Yet. But if I had been roaring to take a girl and was the kind of punter who is fine with basic, standard, covered almost everything fare, I don't think all but a handful of Thermae girls would have grimaced and turned away from even the most elderly farang on the hunt last night.
Perfect info. Thanks. Sadly staying in Europe for quite some time.Its horrible. Thermae has always been my go to place, and here I sit one hour away by plane.
But discretion is the better part of valour I reckon.
Guys,
I'd be grateful if anyone could help me out with some updates / information, If anyone is in Bangkok, Pattaya or Phuket I'd really appreciate if you could please let me know about the mongering scenario due to the ongoing virus scare.
1) How crowded is it everywhere on the walking streets of these cities?
2) Are their girls in the Go Go's? Are there crowds at the various clubs?
3) Are all the places open or only some are open?
4) Have these places lost their charm due to the virus?
I am planning on coming to these places and it would help me make a decision if I should continue or postpone my trip.
Regards,
TheTank.Regarding Bangkok, the Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy areas are still open but there are far fewer tourists and punters walking around. I am seeing a lot of new and attractive freelancer faces and bodies on the street in the Nana Plaza area, though. Some go-go bars are lively and full of customers, almost the same as before. Not coincidentally imo, the ones that have given ME the best results for getting True GFE/Real Sex are still pretty crowded and popular while the ones that have given me shit or hassle getting Value For my Money are not.
Last night starting out around 10:30PM, places such as Enter, Butterflies, Mandarin and Billboard seemed to be doing fine. But places such as Twister BKK, Twister, Rainbow 2 and Diamond Go-Go Bar were sucking hind tit in terms of customers. Same as in Thermae and, imo, for the same reason I alluded to above.
But all of these things can and do change from hour to hour, so don't expect much consistency in that kind of report. I didn't bother checking out Geisha Bar, which has been ok for me previously, because I don't like their policy of sprinkling non-barfineable, ladydrink hustling only scammers in with their other girls without signaling any forewarning difference in either their costume or badge.
I have been to this place several times in past few years. As the years went by, I noticed that girls became more and more east Asian clientele oriented and often were not interested in others.
I haven't stepped in for past 3-4 years and can't believe why some of you still want to go to this place and be humiliated or ignored.
Our hard earned money should get us some respect after all.
Why Thermae when there are plenty of other options?
I have been to this place several times in past few years. As the years went by, I noticed that girls became more and more east Asian clientele oriented and often were not interested in others.
I haven't stepped in for past 3-4 years and can't believe why some of you still want to go to this place and be humiliated or ignored.
Our hard earned money should get us some respect after all.
Why Thermae when there are plenty of other options?Well speaking for myself, I have been going there for years, get treated like a VIP by the staff, and can always manage to get what I want when I want out of the place.
I'm sure lesser folks feel they have been humiliated there, but that's all a state of mind. Need to Toughen up.
I have been to this place several times in past few years. As the years went by, I noticed that girls became more and more east Asian clientele oriented and often were not interested in others.
I haven't stepped in for past 3-4 years and can't believe why some of you still want to go to this place and be humiliated or ignored.
Our hard earned money should get us some respect after all.
Why Thermae when there are plenty of other options?It is easy to pass through on the way to and from Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza, drinks are normal price not beer bar or go-go bar price, at least 75% of the girls are delighted to be approached and taken for ST by any man of any age and ethnicity (more than 75% now) and at a cost generally 500 baht to 1,500 baht less than taking a girl from a typical beer bar or go-go bar. Often less rough edged girls at that.
Thermae has a lot going for it on all those counts, especially if you are the kind of punter pleased to get standard, basic fare of "lick around the edges, if that, slip on a condom and proceed."
Getting an above average girl there who is new to you and willng to agree upfront to BBFS+CIP for the going rate of, say, 2,000 baht - 2,500 baht is the only real challenge 99% of the punters of the world might face there, as it is throughout Thailand imo. Other than Anal I suppose, if you are into it.
Oh, and if you are a farang with an inflexible fetish for being seen walking out of a bar with the best looking girl in the place or among the top 5% best lookers there, you will be hit with the cold shoulder from among that subgroup in ways you probably never will in practically any other public venue in the country.
Other than that, there is nothing humiliating about passing through Thermae to see if there is a diamond in the rough or an undiscovered gem in the line up. I have found some.
Banana Boi
03-07-20, 16:19
Why Thermae when there are plenty of other options?Lots of girls. Decent selection on most nights. Price is fair. No barfine. No expectation to buy lady drinks. Cheap drinks. Good place to people watch. Good pad ka prao. Very centrally located. Free to walk in. ST rooms upstairs, if needed. Girls are used to weird kinks because of the Japanese, if that is your desire. Hidden gem can be found. Good for a quickie but I wish it opened earlier like at 6 pm.
Downfall. Service can be quite basic but greatly improves if you are a regular and a known face to girls ie. More bargaining power. Girls do not wear skimpy outfits. Too many guys on most nights. Coronavirus hotbed. Yes it's true that you can be ignored by some girls who are not interested in you but this is no different if you go to a civilian night club. Not every girl in their 20's wants to be with a guy 55+.
CoconutWater89
03-07-20, 17:32
Girls are used to weird kinks because of the Japanese, if that is your desire. This made me laugh. She's not going to be shocked when you ask for some A+; she's used to 52 year old Japanese guy bringing Styrofoam tentacles and sushi into the bedroom or god knows what. I've also heard Japanese in particular are much more into raw dogging it than other nationalities. They just want to creampie everything in sight after long 60 hour weeks at the office being a drone!
I have been to this place several times in past few years. As the years went by, I noticed that girls became more and more east Asian clientele oriented and often were not interested in others.
I haven't stepped in for past 3-4 years and can't believe why some of you still want to go to this place and be humiliated or ignored.
Our hard earned money should get us some respect after all.
Why Thermae when there are plenty of other options?My main source has been Thermae & the discos, and sometimes the go-gos but relatively way less. Been doing this for so long all over the planet. If any rejection just move on the next one you like without batting an eyelid. Nobody cares atleast I don't. I typically visit LOS 2-3 times a year on an average. Now whenever I walk into Thermae in most occasions there is at least one or more girls that I've been with before. In January when I was there one time there were 4 or 5 of them the same evening. I stayed at the back of the room and proposed to one cutie who did not budge from 4 K. Then I approached another early twenties cutie for 3 K. On the way to hotel she stressed a number of times that she only goes with Asians & that I was her first non-Asian. Had un rushed experience with BBBJ & covered FS.
This past New Year after attending a dinner party (there were mainly couples & families) on NYE, I left the
party early and headed to Baccara, Soi Cowboy before midnight. Really liked one of the dancers & bought her drinks but decided against since wanted to go to Thermae. The previous NYE had a great experience with picking up a beauty of an office girl who was passionate in the bed as well so wanted to try my luck again. As I walked down Soi Cowboy the clock struck 12 & I was bathed in confetti. 10–15 mins later I walked into a mostly empty Thermae , made eye contact with a young one whom I found attractive and off we went to my Landmark room. Another really passionate service. After that having consumed a fair share of scotch over the evening decided to hit Nana Plaza. Don’t remember if it was butterflies or billboard but one of them for sure probably the latter, barfined another one for the rest of the night. A fun NYE as it turned out better than the ones with a prearranged “date” for this celebrating this occasion.
I had a 2 day stay in BKK. Learning from my previous experience and from guidance by members in this forum, I was wiser this time.
My previous exp was not that great.
Stayed near nana plaza.
Day1 : landed around 10 pm, checked in, ate and went to Billboard on Nana plaza around 11.30 pm. No drama of members only, which was a big relief. Went in, got a beer. Spent 30-40 mins.
Didn't find any stunners.
Moved to other gogo, I think it was rainbow (below billboard). Entry wasn't a big deal surprisingly. Found a 9/10, bar fine was 1 K, fee was 3 K. Could not negotiate, decided to move to the next. Gogo.
This one was on the ground floor, I don't remember the name. Got a drink and tipped the girl 40. She was really surprised. Chatted for a while, she asked if I had a type. She said she has a friend. The friend came out a minutes later. She was hardly 5.
Got out of nana plaza to the street. Saw a cute one just outside. Took her to my room. She was a viet it turns out, she wanted to stay for 2 hrs for 3 k. I agreed. Her skin was super soft. We just started doing it and I came too early. She was just that soft and nice.
I was tired and the night ended.
Day2: went to soapy. Can't remember the name now. It's right off the main soi (not a side street). Small door. The receptionist had and ipad and usually reservations are needed. I didn't have one. Picked diamond out of the lineup of 6.
The usually shower, air bed etc. I think rimming is included. I opted out. We moved to the bed, she was tight and nice. I think both of us had a good time. She said thank you.
Later that evening, went to a few gogos again. I liked one in billboard, but refused BJ nc. Maybe it was lost in translation and came to be interpreted as BBFS. Off to street again and picked up a girl that looked exactly like the one I did yesterday. On a closer look this was slightly older and cheaper. 1. 5 k for short. We had a good time with lots of kissing. This one said thanks too.
I would repeat if I had the time. Off to airport.
This made me laugh. She's not going to be shocked when you ask for some A+; she's used to 52 year old Japanese guy bringing Styrofoam tentacles and sushi into the bedroom or god knows what. I've also heard Japanese in particular are much more into raw dogging it than other nationalities. They just want to creampie everything in sight after long 60 hour weeks at the office being a drone!I popped into Thermae again last night. Ordinarily, I don't go into Thermae so often. But it is really an interesting case study location for monitoring the Asian tourist/punter levels these days. And I suppose I am checking to see if or when the typical Thermae hooker will suddenly realize she needs to start delivering some Real Sex for the money or find another line of work. They might be fine with or used to Styrofoam tentacles being shoved up their whatever, but very, very few are not shocked beyond recognition when I ask if they'll accept a human penis as god created it in their vagina.
Last night about 11PM there was no shortage of girls, it was quite packed with girls in fact. And I was able to stand near the front entrance with my back to the little bar where we buy drinks on entering and look down the left side pathway completely empty of customers. You know where the river of men usually flows shoulder to shoulder 5 deep around the central S shaped bar? There was not one customer in that space between the line up of girls on the booth side and the line up of girls on the bar side. For several minutes. Oh, every few minutes a group of men would appear from outside and walk down that aisle and around the room. But as soon as they passed, it was devoid of customers again. Maybe 40 customers in the whole place, almost half being farang.
One girl who I'd been with before many months ago (no BBFS allowed, only a lame BBBJ that I aborted before finishing because it was done so badly) was lobbying hard with body language (a damn good body, too. and sexy face) for me to please come over to her spot in the left side line up so she could tell me what a wonderful time she'll give me this night. I finally did go over to her. Nope, no way, no how would BBFS happen tonight or any night. Ok, hon, I was just wondering why you were so adamant about talking to me.
On the way out I was grabbed by a girl I would generously rate as a cute 7.0 I'd never seen before telling me she really liked me, wanted me to take her, she would do anything I want except "butt", 3,000 for ST or 4,000 for LT, blah, blah, blah, what do I want? I leaned in to whisper, "boom boom no condom." Oh, NO, impossible! "Ok, hon, nice meeting you, bye."
I was only in the place for about 15 minutes. Sodas are 70 baht, btw.
Then I walked over to Nana Plaza and barfined a lovely 22 year old honey for the third time whose face and body would rate an 8 against at least 90% of the girls in Thermae and who happily agreed upfront to BBFS+CIP with me on our first outing about a month ago. It was fantastic good Real Sex in the room and she earned 2,500 baht. Glad I stopped in her bar again.
Heading to Pattaya via BKK. Arrived last night and staying off soi 6. Hotel very nice and easy walk to Nana Plaza. Decided to try Twister as I has not been in that gogo for a few years. First thing to notice was that Nana was still busy but nowhere near what it normally is for a Saturday night. Went into Twister and promptly took up a good spot to see the girls. Immediately spotted one that fit the requirements. Slim and youngish with smaller fake breasts. The bar had a lot of girls and a few that were very doable. Not a lot of punters in the club at all. Mine was fine and we did the usual drinks and grouping for a few hours before bar fining her back to the hotel. The girl was pretty and had a nice firm body with a super wet pussy once DATY was performed. Not a GFE but satisfying for the first night in BKK. WIR, no because just not enough of an effort made to get me to buy again. Interesting that despite the shortage of punters the short time price was still high. Seems that they prefer to get nothing rather than a little bargaining.
See what today brings. Will report as the trip goes on.
Happy Hunting.
HorseTrader
03-08-20, 08:03
Interesting that despite the shortage of punters the short time price was still high. Seems that they prefer to get nothing rather than a little bargaining.
A month ago I found no reduction in bar fines at Nana Plaza bars and only 500 baht discount in the girls' fees. This is a sample size of just 2 girls in 2 different bars. Made short time deals and exchanged Line information and repeat 3 weeks later with same girls without going through bar and big discounts were available. Better performance and longer sessions in the room, too.
Based on what little I know about the relationship between Nana bars and bar girls, it seems some of them have commitments to work every night while others come in only on the nights they want.
On a side note, if I like a girl in the room, I will tip 500 or 1000 baht. That tip seems to guarantee availability and an even better performance next time.... and often no bar fine. If you do this, the girl may pester you for more sessions than you want. Thats when the Line block feature becomes valuable, dont hesitate to use it.
I popped into Thermae again last night. Ordinarily, I don't go into Thermae so often. But it is really an interesting case study location for monitoring the Asian tourist/punter levels these days. And I suppose I am checking to see if or when the typical Thermae hooker will suddenly realize she needs to start delivering some Real Sex for the money or find another line of work. They might be fine with or used to Styrofoam tentacles being shoved up their whatever, but very, very few are not shocked beyond recognition when I ask if they'll accept a human penis as god created it in their vagina.
Last night about 11PM there was no shortage of girls, it was quite packed with girls in fact. And I was able to stand near the front entrance with my back to the little bar where we buy drinks on entering and look down the left side pathway completely empty of customers. You know where the river of men usually flows shoulder to shoulder 5 deep around the central S shaped bar? There was not one customer in that space between the line up of girls on the booth side and the line up of girls on the bar side. For several minutes. Oh, every few minutes a group of men would appear from outside and walk down that aisle and around the room. But as soon as they passed, it was devoid of customers again. Maybe 40 customers in the whole place, almost half being farang.
One girl who I'd been with before many months ago (no BBFS allowed, only a lame BBBJ that I aborted before finishing because it was done so badly) was lobbying hard with body language (a damn good body, too. and sexy face) for me to please come over to her spot in the left side line up so she could tell me what a wonderful time she'll give me this night. I finally did go over to her. Nope, no way, no how would BBFS happen tonight or any night. Ok, hon, I was just wondering why you were so adamant about talking to me.
On the way out I was grabbed by a girl I would generously rate as a cute 7.0 I'd never seen before telling me she really liked me, wanted me to take her, she would do anything I want except "butt", 3,000 for ST or 4,000 for LT, blah, blah, blah, what do I want? I leaned in to whisper, "boom boom no condom." Oh, NO, impossible! "Ok, hon, nice meeting you, bye."
I was only in the place for about 15 minutes. Sodas are 70 baht, btw.
Then I walked over to Nana Plaza and barfined a lovely 22 year old honey for the third time whose face and body would rate an 8 against at least 90% of the girls in Thermae and who happily agreed upfront to BBFS+CIP with me on our first outing about a month ago. It was fantastic good Real Sex in the room and she earned 2,500 baht. Glad I stopped in her bar again.It always amazes me when they think you will accept something that you would not accept previously, even when it is clearly a buyer's market. Most never seem to be willing to up their game, no matter what.
It always amazes me when they think you will accept something that you would not accept previously, even when it is clearly a buyer's market. Most never seem to be willing to up their game, no matter what.I'm not sure many girls think it is a buyer's market yet. Take a Thermae girl; if she gets one customer a week who agrees to pay 2,500 baht and on top of that he gives her a 500 baht tip because he was impressed by the way she rolled on the condom or because she smiled sweetly when she said, "No kissing, I don't like" she'll still be able to pay all her bills that month and have some left over to ride a taxi back home every night. I see the few punters in town walking out of go-go bars, beer bars, Thermae, etc. with girls who aren't any more attractive than I usually see walking out of the bars with customers.
All those non barfineable Coyote scammers who stand in front of the bars on Soi Cowboy doing nothing were still standing in front of the bars doing nothing last night. They just looked more bored than usual with fewer customers to scam. They certainly aren't now reaching out to passersby eager to share their Line info and make side deals to meet after hours.
Couple of hot ones arm hooked me as I walked by last night and, seeing they were wearing the pantyhose that Coyote scammers usually wear, I said, "But you are Coyotes and that means you will not go to my room with me, right?" Which was met with the same sheepish smile, their having been busted on their scam. And the silence that followed still meant, "Yep. That's right, bub," just like always.
Jimmy Boy 99
03-08-20, 19:54
Would you not have more success with better looking girls getting BBFS if you agreed not to cip but rather pull out when you are coming and deposit your load on her body? Similarly, since almost all girls will do BBBJ if you don't CIM, your success rate would be much higher if you agreed to pull out and come on her face or tits. Or is depositing your semen in a girl's orifice the point of your having sex rather than the barebacking itself?
I'm not sure many girls think it is a buyer's market yet. Take a Thermae girl; if she gets one customer a week who agrees to pay 2,500 baht and on top of that he gives her a 500 baht tip because he was impressed by the way she rolled on the condom or because she smiled sweetly when she said, "No kissing, I don't like" she'll still be able to pay all her bills that month and have some left over to ride a taxi back home every nightNah.
I don't believe it.
Hos earning ho money enter a ho lifestyle. And become used to it.
There are exceptions but very few.
(and most of the girls in Thermae "professionally"" work there. On a regular basis).
Would you not have more success with better looking girls getting BBFS if you agreed not to cip but rather pull out when you are coming and deposit your load on her body? Similarly, since almost all girls will do BBBJ if you don't CIM, your success rate would be much higher if you agreed to pull out and come on her face or tits. Or is depositing your semen in a girl's orifice the point of your having sex rather than the barebacking itself?Yes, that last part is pretty much the point, but more precisely the actual tactile sensation of remaining in and continuing the action in the orifice that got me to the point of orgasm because it felt so good in the first place instead of interrupting it to pull out, jerk myself off, rub on her stomach or whatever. I did not divest myself of all my worldly possessions in the USA (except some rental property), leave my last remaining family members, all my old friends, move to the other side of the planet and the rest of it in order to pull out of young ladies' vaginas and mouths at the point of orgasm. I never had sex that unfulfilling even as an already somewhat elderly man in the USA with all my toys, family and friends within an hour's drive.
Bear in mind, and I suppose I should clarify it anyway, I never talk about "CIP" with the girl upfront unless they mention that part of it. Otherwise, I only talk about "boom boom no condom" regarding that topic and assume they know how it will end. I only write it that way here for clarification that pulling out was not mentioned by me or the girl. But I will mention "finish inside" pointing to her mouth and my mouth when I talk about how she would finish a BBBJ for me. Now, if she says something about "when you finish, you cum outside, ok?" when we are already in the bed ready to have sex, I have adopted the habit of answering the same way Thai girls do when you request something they might not want to do; "I'll try." Which in the Thai girl Thai-English language means "No." But they seem to be fine with me finishing inside anyway.
A couple of guys I know who are also BBFS+CIP only guys take elements of your suggestion even further. They agree to everything the girls say and then simply ignore it:
"Must use condom, ok?"
Of COURSE, I will use a condom. I ALWAYS use a condom. Do you think I'm crazy?
"You have condom?"
Of COURSE, I have a condom.
Then they proceed through all the steps and motions, no condom, CIP and when the girl says, "Did you finish inside?" They just say Oh, Yeah, I Forgot. Again, their girls still seem to be fine with it, usually chuckle at the answer and always want to see the guys again and again later.
Works for them most of the time. But that isn't my style. I much prefer having it understood and agreed to before she takes my hand and we leave the bar or start walking to my room. I consider the pleasure of the entire experience starting right then and there, knowing I will be having True GFE/Real Sex with this young lady holding my hand and walking with me to my apartment for the first time, no cloud of doubt hanging overhead and no issue with the girl balking about participating in my CIP requirements at crunch time.
I should also add that my biggest problem in these matters is not getting quite good looking young Thai girls to have BBFS+CIP with me. The reality is I am getting more of that than I have bullets to shoot for it. I long for those rare times when I have managed to dodge and decline invitations to have it with such young ladies for as long as TWO days in a row so I can finally have that feeling of relative urgency about it again and the added pleasure that goes along with it on the third day. LOL.
Virtually every time I mention in a report that I was in this or that venue, approached by a girl and I declined and moved on, that is because I am either coming from or going to a place where I had or will be having glorious BBFS+CIP (mostly) or the much appreciated BBBJ+CIM and more often than not these days Swallow finish. And that's why it is so easy for me to decline anything that doesn't truly inspire me and move on with zero regrets. This is really only about improving the conditions and ease of use for my hobby, not about scrounging around trying to eke out some modicum of value in it.
Nah.
I don't believe it.
Hos earning ho money enter a ho lifestyle. And become used to it.
There are exceptions but very few.
(and most of the girls in Thermae "professionally"" work there. On a regular basis).Well, we don't know how they will deal with a customer traffic decline and economic downturn like this one might (and only might) become since none of them are old enough to have ever gone through one. But a bare minimum of 1-2 non Thai customers per week is still enough to get by in terms of food, rent, electric, phone and transportation for just about any P4P girl in Thailand.
However, there is no point in thinking they will turn into super quality sex providers when things finally get so bad they have to eat rotten fruit, bugs and scorpions. They ALREADY eat rotten (smelling) fruit, bugs and scorpions for the sheer pleasure of it even when their purses are loaded with cash!
JalenJames
03-09-20, 08:28
Can anyone share with is the fastest way to have sex with girls at Thai disco?
Instead of going there again and again and wasting money on drinks.
HorseTrader
03-09-20, 10:00
But a bare minimum of 1-2 non Thai customers per week is still enough to get by in terms of food, rent, electric, phone and transportation for just about any P4P girl in Thailand.I don't know about that, I think at least some of the girls spend everything as soon as they have it.
Once Wednesday I gave a Nana gogo girl 3500 for an exceptional 4-hours and by Thursday afternoon she seemed truly desperate for money to pay for transportation, food, and 500 baht to replace her lost ID so she could work again in a Nana plaza bar. She offered a repeat of our prior date for 2000, then 1500, and finally 1000. I pleaded poverty, but ultimately gave her a 100 baht to stop pestering me. Then I blocked her on Line and found found a different girl from a different bar.
After a not too bad day 1, I decided to head to Nana around midday to play pool and see what lunch time offerings there were. Well, not much. Spent a few hours playing pool and decided to head over to the beer garden on soi 7. A few girls there but not that many that were to my taste. As I was leaving one did come in and so I grabbed her and spent a few minutes discussing terms. Agreed to everything I wanted for a short time. Back in the hotel she did not disappoint and provided a good service, Not GFE but still did a fine job. Later that night decided to head to the Nana Plaza Gogos. Went into Billboard and was amazed at the number of punters in there. A lot more than I was expecting, The girls were Ok and a few looked doable but I just did not get a good feel in the place. Headed out to check out Afterskool. What a difference. Very few punters and most of the girls were average. Did manage to find one that was of interest. Pretty face, nice body although she was a little young for me. After a good conversation and drinking we settled on terms and off we went. In the room she did not disappoint and the DFK and sex was excellent. Body was very tight and had a really nice set of real breasts. Would definitely try again. Nana Plaza was not that busy but then again it was a Sunday night. One more night and then off to Pattaya.
More reports to follow.
Happy Hunting.
I don't know about that, I think at least some of the girls spend everything as soon as they have it.
..Absolutely true, except for the rare few who sock some of it away to buy a rice farm or build a house in Issan.
But that is why I think worry about customers who overpay far above the going rate is largely irrelevant to ruining Thailand's P4P scene. These girls are just as broke and in need of my 2,500 baht two days after some dude gave them 5,000 baht as if they'd never seen five 1,000 baht notes in one place their whole lives.
It is the low demand customer that has done serious damage to the scene, imo, not the overpaying customer.
However, in this context what I meant to say we don't know what kind of austerity program some of these girls will shift into when they don't have another customer willing to hand them 2,500 baht for low level service coming down the street for several days at a time. I don't think customer traffic has ever been this low for this long and potentially much longer in their lifetimes. If they stay in the scene at all, that is.
HorseTrader
03-09-20, 19:35
However, in this context what I meant to say we don't know what kind of austerity program some of these girls will shift into when they don't have another customer willing to hand them 2,500 baht for low level service coming down the street for several days at a time. I don't think customer traffic has ever been this low for this long and potentially much longer in their lifetimes. If they stay in the scene at all, that is.That's a good and valid point.
On a related note, as a foreign visitor, I'm willing to pay extra for premium service from a good looking girl. The 3500 baht I paid for an excellent 4-hour session seems cheap to me. "Near" home the best I can do is a 50 minute session at a top rated massage place 1400 km away from home and that costs over 8000 baht. Many visitors aren't going to pass on their Thai dream girl to save 1000 baht, our opportunities are too few. If we knew which girls were going to be stars and which were duds, the stars would never want for money and the duds would starve. There are still enough customers for that.
JohnSonong
03-10-20, 03:16
Can anyone share with is the fastest way to have sex with girls at Thai disco?
Instead of going there again and again and wasting money on drinks.No shortcut bro, or you can just download dating apps for meet and greet.
That's a good and valid point.
On a related note, as a foreign visitor, I'm willing to pay extra for premium service from a good looking girl. The 3500 baht I paid for an excellent 4-hour session seems cheap to me. "Near" home the best I can do is a 50 minute session at a top rated massage place 1400 km away from home and that costs over 8000 baht. Many visitors aren't going to pass on their Thai dream girl to save 1000 baht, our opportunities are too few. If we knew which girls were going to be stars and which were duds, the stars would never want for money and the duds would starve. There are still enough customers for that.I'll give you an analogy. Say someone was visiting your hometown. You suggest a restaurant to them and they go there and then proceeded to pay more than you told them to because "this food is more expensive where I live. " And then say the people at that restaurant decide that that should be the new price standard. Where does it end really? Overall service and attitudes have gotten worse as prices have increased because the gals don't have to hustle as much. They make in one ST what used to take them three. And there is always a guy that will "settle. ".
Personally I think 100 USD for a 4 hour session that knocks your socks off is not completely out of line. But there are many people paying way more than that. And I got news for you; paying more does not get you better service. Never has; never will. I'm an oily guy and have been for almost 15 years. I have never tipped a Baht in any of the oily shops and I don't have a problem getting excellent PSE service at the PSE shops.
I'll give you an analogy. Say someone was visiting your hometown. You suggest a restaurant to them and they go there and then proceeded to pay more than you told them to because "this food is more expensive where I live. " And then say the people at that restaurant decide that that should be the new price standard. Where does it end really? Overall service and attitudes have gotten worse as prices have increased because the gals don't have to hustle as much. They make in one ST what used to take them three. And there is always a guy that will "settle. ".
Personally I think 100 USD for a 4 hour session that knocks your socks off is not completely out of line. But there are many people paying way more than that. And I got news for you; paying more does not get you better service. Never has; never will. I'm an oily guy and have been for almost 15 years. I have never tipped a Baht in any of the oily shops and I don't have a problem getting excellent PSE service at the PSE shops.I fully agree that it is silly and counterprouctive to pay more by way of tipping for the exact same service or product that everyone gets even when they don't add a tip.
But there is a big grey area when it comes to sexual services that, by my reckoning at least, already start out at a deficit of value that could never knock my socks off. Therefore, I am willing to pay more if I get more. And if you do it right, you will definitely get better service by paying more.
I suppose the closest way of applying it to your analogy is the fellow sees what is on his plate at your recommended restaurant and says, "Oh, that will never do. But if you could add another slab of beef with a little gravy and toast that slice of bread a bit I'll gladly pay an additional $5."
Then if the restaurant increases the price of that meal by $5 for everyone without adding the extra portion of beef, gravy and toasting the bread, the fault lies with the restaurant, not the customer who paid more to get more.
However, again, paying the extra $5 for no reason at all and without demanding and getting more puts the customer at fault.
My problem with the "restaurants" in this neighborhood is the meals being routinely served are from the get-go sorely lacking in value for the money despite thousands of other diners apparently having their socks get knocked off by what they are being served. But with a little tweak here and there using ingredients I know for a fact are sitting mostly unused in the kitchem cupboard I can get that meal up to snuff with an additional amount added to the bill.
I only wish these "restaurants" would routinely serve a finished meal that by my judgement is well worth the money without my having to ask neither the server, manager, chef or owner of the damn place to prepare and present it that way. Would I pay more for that? Hell yes.
I suppose this is my way of chiming in that the real problem here is too few customers demanding more and better than what they are routinely being served in these "restaurants" at the price they are today, were yesterday and will be tomorrow. The extra $5 or even $20 is largely immaterial.
PutinEatsJizz
03-10-20, 15:17
Just took a girl back.
She resembled actress tatianay maslany.
Was great. Asked for 3 k, but I gave her 4 k.
Will repeat tomorrow and probably more if she shows up. Not a regular as far as I can tell.
If not, I'll take another girl in the 4 k ST range.
HorseTrader
03-10-20, 17:18
I suppose the closest way of applying it to your analogy is the fellow sees what is on his plate at your recommended restaurant and says, "Oh, that will never do. But if you could add another slab of beef with a little gravy and toast that slice of bread a bit I'll gladly pay an additional $5."In the case of my 3500 baht 4-hour dinner experience, the restaurant not only provided the extra beef, gravy, and toasted the bread, but they provided unexpected wine and cheesecake. On my recently finished trip to Thailand, I had 2nd, 3rd, and 4th dinners at 3 different restaurants. The tip at the end of the first meal assures superior food on the subsequent visits. The bad part is that I will soon tire of any excellent restaurant, but the proprietors tend to pester me for additional meals again and again.
My last dinner in Thailand was to be simple street food, for which I agreed to pay 1000 baht for a specific menu. While eating, I found the food to be substandard and the menu was not provided per prior agreement. Mid meal, I decided not to finish the dinner, I simply could not swallow the food. I was forced to pay 500 baht to avoid a nasty scene upon exiting the dining room. Fortunately, I quickly found a different street food vendor who provided a nice meal with all the agreed menu items at 1200 baht, for which I was happy to pay. That was the last my last dinner in Thailand.
The best part about Sukhumvit is that there is always another restaurant to try.
Can anyone share with is the fastest way to have sex with girls at Thai disco?
Instead of going there again and again and wasting money on drinks.By fast, do you mean get it in her, finish, pull out, and go back to dancing?
I don't think that's enjoyable, since it's much more fun to take the girl back to your hotel room and have an hour or so of sex. If you like how well she performed and she seemed to like doing it with you, give her your phone number and tell her you'll call her in two days to repeat. She'll appreciate the repeat business.
Crocodilexp
03-10-20, 18:48
But there is a big grey area when it comes to sexual services that, by my reckoning at least, already start out at a deficit of value that could never knock my socks off. Therefore, I am willing to pay more if I get more. And if you do it right, you will definitely get better service by paying more.Normally you don't get more by paying more in terms of service. What you demand is not typical; you have a peculiar bareback sex fetish that you keep talking about.
In Goatscrot's excellent restaurant analogy, you'd be the customer who asks to spit into the common stew pot since that gets you off and presumably adds to the flavor. Most restaurants would recoil in horror at the proposal, but sure enough, a few would let you do that for extra money, and no doubt it would make you happy. What's one spit in a big stew after all, it's relatively low risk and nobody has to know, though if everyone starts doing it, things change.
When you have a particular fetish that providers are strongly averse to providing, sure you might need to pay more to get what you want (after sifting through many who just won't do it).
However, in the general case, if you just want more-or-less standard service provided with a positive attitude, Goatscrot is right, you don't get more by paying more. Maybe you get a wider playing field, but almost never better service.
Crocodilexp
03-10-20, 19:00
And I got news for you; paying more does not get you better service. Never has; never will. I'm an oily guy and have been for almost 15 years. I have never tipped a Baht in any of the oily shops and I don't have a problem getting excellent PSE service at the PSE shops.Absolutely true. A punter virtually never gets better service by overpaying.
I'm sure exceptions exist (human behavior is highly variable after all), but they're sufficiently rare not to form a trend, and also fall on both sides of the regression line -- it's not uncommon to get less than normal by overpaying, since girls see you as an easy mark.
Unlike you, I occasionally tip a modest amount in PSE shops (and elsewhere), but it's never to encourage better service, but only to reciprocate when they go above and beyond. However, I can see the appeal of the "no tip" policy, it's better to reward good service by repeat sessions.
HorseTrader
03-10-20, 21:43
In Goatscrot's excellent restaurant analogy, you'd be the customer who asks to spit into the common stew pot since that gets you off and presumably adds to the flavor. Most restaurants would recoil in horror at the proposal, but sure enough, a few would let you do that for extra money, and no doubt it would make you happy. What's one spit in a big stew after all, it's relatively low risk and nobody has to know, though if everyone starts doing it, things change.
In my recently completed Thailand holiday, I visited about 25-30 restaurants. Without request from me, 3 or 4 of the restaurants moved forward assuming that I would spit in the stew. Most restaurants carefully covered the pot before any thought of spitting could ever cross my mind.
Normally you don't get more by paying more in terms of service. What you demand is not typical; you have a peculiar bareback sex fetish that you keep talking about.
In Goatscrot's excellent restaurant analogy, you'd be the customer who asks to spit into the common stew pot since that gets you off and presumably adds to the flavor. Most restaurants would recoil in horror at the proposal, but sure enough, a few would let you do that for extra money, and no doubt it would make you happy. What's one spit in a big stew after all, it's relatively low risk and nobody has to know, though if everyone starts doing it, things change.
When you have a particular fetish that providers are strongly averse to providing, sure you might need to pay more to get what you want (after sifting through many who just won't do it).
However, in the general case, if you just want more-or-less standard service provided with a positive attitude, Goatscrot is right, you don't get more by paying more. Maybe you get a wider playing field, but almost never better service.You can pretty much assume dozens of customers have spit in the pot before you showed up. Although that might not be as true of the oily and PSE shops where the old ladies seem to be on a more assembly line system cranking out, in my experience, rather tasteless uninspired fare. That's one of the reasons I rarely dine at those shops. They could not lower the prices enough to lure me in for that.
In my recently completed Thailand holiday, I visited about 25-30 restaurants. Without request from me, 3 or 4 of the restaurants moved forward assuming that I would spit in the stew. Most restaurants carefully covered the pot before any thought of spitting could ever cross my mind.I'm guessing some of the more popular restaurants were the ones that uncovered the pot at some point so they could actually serve and you could actually eat the contents rather than be content in just knowing it is there somewhere in the kitchen?
I fully agree that it is silly and counterprouctive to pay more by way of tipping for the exact same service or product that everyone gets even when they don't add a tip.
But there is a big grey area when it comes to sexual services that, by my reckoning at least, already start out at a deficit of value that could never knock my socks off. Therefore, I am willing to pay more if I get more. And if you do it right, you will definitely get better service by paying more...So am I. Sometimes, you have to pay more if you want more services. For example, it is well known that girls in the FKKs demand more money for anal and CIM. One can either forgo those services or pay more to get them.
The same can be said if one is with an eye candy girl in Asia, very hard to get BBFS from these girls on first dates. But, offering more money can make a difference. I have experienced that numerous times.
So am I. Sometimes, you have to pay more if you want more services. For example, it is well known that girls in the FKKs demand more money for anal and CIM. One can either forgo those services or pay more to get them.
The same can be said if one is with an eye candy girl in Asia, very hard to get BBFS from these girls on first dates. But, offering more money can make a difference. I have experienced that numerous times.Exactly. And as fetishes go, my bet is you will find many more Thai lookers happy to agree to BBFS (if that even qualifies as a "fetish") for more money than are happy to agree to Anal, lesbian action or rimming, speaking of the metaphorical spitting in a common stew pot if her next customer expects DFK.
But I can't say that from personal experience since unlike many posters here I never pursue or ask for Anal, lesbian action or rimming.
BangBanggo
03-11-20, 07:24
I was in Transit in Bangkok so decided to spend a night by delaying the flight. Booked in Ibis Bangkok at Sukhumvit 4.
Had a dinner in a nearby pub with some drinks then took a walk on street.
Found this stunning black girl who was in shape shopping at 7-11. She mentioned that she is from Uganda.
In room, quick shower. Friendly talk. Nice BBBJ.
Good FJ. Overall satisfactory and good GFE.
PutinEatsJizz
03-11-20, 11:38
Found another girl at thermae's with an actress-like face.
Asked for 3 k, but I gave her 4 k again.
I'm at that point where it's face body for me.
Reggie1980
03-11-20, 13:21
I'm a rookie on the international scene and this was my first international hunting trip. I made some mistakes and maybe overpaid in instances but it was a fun time. Keep in mind, I'm a rookie and was definitely overwhelmed at times.
Day 1.
Had a 2 hour layover in Hong Kong (mask on) before arriving. I began messaging women who profiles I had saved on Thai Friendly. I also begin trying to find tinder matches. Within 20 minutes I had 4 women ready to come to my place and boom boom. However, I was still in Hong Kong airport. I never expected to have such success so soon. I had to tell the ladies that I hadn't checked in to my place yet. Eventually, I catch the flight to BKK arrive to my place. It's 2 pm, I shower and to start enacting my plan. The original plan was to immediately go and get a massage. I had been planning on Tulips or Chrome based on my research. However, I was chatting with 4-5 Thai bunnies on Tinder / Thai Friendly that held me up. So I didn't hit the streets until 5. After roaming around studying the immediate area, I run into Bobby. Previously, many guys tried stopping me to offer rides, watches, etc but for some reason I stopped for Bobby. Bobby sold me a dream of taking me to massage places with many beautiful women. I knew Bobby was hustling but I was getting a little excited walking around so I decided to go with it. Bobby told me it was Happy Hour and he could get me massage, BJ, boom boom for 1300 bht. I didn't believe him but agreed to let him escort me to such a place. We begin walking. Yes, walking for many blocks, taking twists and turns. Bobby tells me that the first place only has about 8 girls working and that if I didn't like this place, he'd take me to a different one that had close to 20-30 beautiful girls working. Again, I knew this couldn't be true but by now, I'm just going with it. Finally after many blocks we come down a dead end road. We walk up to some place and Bobby says "this is it. " I have no idea the name of the place but we go in. The girls jump up and run to their spots. As Bobby promised, there were 8 girls. A small lady comes to me and tells me to choose one. This is the first time I've been in a situation like this. 8 girls staring at my pockets ready for action. Two of the 8 were waving, smiling and begging me to pick them. These 2 women had to be in their early 50's. The other 6 were younger. 2 of the girls were fairly attractive but they wouldn't make eye contact with me. Of course those were the two I preferred but I wasn't going to choose them because their body language was saying "please no. " The other 4 girls were average and they were just looking at me with blank stares. With pressure from Bobby and the lady I couldn't decided. I told Bobby to pick for me. Bobby asks did I want small girl or medium girl. I say medium. Bobby picks the biggest girl in the house! His definition of medium is totally different from mine. When Bobby made the selection one of the girls that wouldn't make eye contact stated "you let him pick? As if she was upset. Big girl walks down and me, bobby and the lady go to the bar area. Lady proceeds to tell me it's 1800 bht for everything. Bobby is standing there smiling, the prick. I give her 1800 bht. Bobby asks "where's mine. " I give Bobby 100 bht and give him a look, letting him know he's a prick. Before I go upstairs with the girl the lady asks if I want a drink. I decline but she hustled me into buying the girl a beer. Another 150 bht. I give 200 bht and the lady says she wants to keep the change for her tip. She was laughing and smiling and I'm looking at her like "the hustle goes deep ey. " Finally I go up 3 flights of stairs with my lady. I don't remember her name. I couldn't pronounce it. She spoke decent English. We showered, she asked me if I wanted hot oil or regular. Told me some men cry when she uses hot oil. I passed on the hot oil. She began the massage, back, legs, feet, then the rollover. We talked a lot. She kept talking about her American friend and how she hadn't seen him in weeks because he's being Quarantined in Japan. She mentioned this guy at least 6 times. She was a big girl with a cute face and a pretty rack. After the rollover she pulls out a condom and gives me a CBJ. I'm not in to CBJs but I go with hit. It was average. She then jumps on top and does a pretty good job riding it. I flip her over and start pounding away. It's wet and she's into it. I eventually pop and we shower. We're only an hour into the session but I start getting dressed. I was just ready for the hustle to be over. I wasn't upset, because I was a willing participant in the hustle. I want to tip her but I only have 40 bht and the other bills are no lower than 500. So I give her the 40. She looks sad. I tell her I'll get change. She leaves the 40 in a jar by the bed, which I assume is for whoever cleans up the room. We go downstairs and I ask the lady for change. She gives me change and I can't remember but I think I give pretty face girl 200 bht. The lady asks for me another tip and I tell her to kick rocks. Off I go, back onto the streets of Bangkok, vowing to not "willingly" get hustled again.
I head to Soi 4 to get a look at the Free Lancers. By this time it's around 7:30 pm, it's early. It took me a while to figure out the streets, traffic, crossing, etc. By the time I reach Soi 4 it's 8:30. I see several freelancers as I walk around. This is my first trip to Bangkok so I can't say if the numbers are down. I just know there were plenty to choose from. Many tried stopping me and several others would just look as I walked by. I was just using this time to get familiar with the area. After passing Nana plaza twice, I decided to walk in. I didn't want it to seem obvious that I had no idea where I was going, so I tried to walk through like I was a Vet. Didn't realize there were three levels. I walked around the first floor loop and decided I was going to leave because I felt like a total fish out of water. Then, right as I was starting to speed up the pace a pretty thing grabbed my arm and said "hey, stop, come here, come with me. " I glanced at her and she was a cutie. Now, a few cuties had tried stopping me on the streets but for some reason, like with Bobby, I decided to go with it. So I tell her I'll come in with her. I look up and we're walking into Playskool. Before arriving in Bangkok I read the board and did quite a bit of research. However, upon entering Playskool I wasn't quite sure what I was entering into. Was it a go go bar, regular bar, club, etc. My new cute friend sits me down on the front row and sits beside me. There's only 2 other guys in there. There are about 10 girls on stage in orange bikinis. My cutie is dressed different, she has on a black dress. Mamasan comes over and asks if I want a drink. I order a drink and then my cutie asks will I buy her one. Through my preparation, I had an idea where this was going. I tell her yes and she seems surprised and is happy. Mamasan brings our drinks. We make small talk as the women stand on stage looking awkward. After about 10 minutes of conversation she asks if we have this type of place in America. I tell her no, but begin to explain how strip clubs operate at home. She's fascinated. I use this opportunity for her to tell me how Playskool operates. She explains that I can choose a girl from the stage, any girl I like. I can pay the bar 1000 bht and have the girl. I ask would the girl leave with me and she says yes. I ask if she was included in the available girls and she giggles and says yes, we can boom boom. I laugh and we talk a bit more. More women came in. At one point I'd say there was about 20 women in there. Mostly average but there were a couple of nice ones. One with a perfect ass (I'm a booty man). Finally, my cutie says she's going back outside. I believe she thinks I'm interested in someone on stage so that's why she was leaving. I tell her I'm going to leave too but that I would be back to pick her up later. She seems surprised and giggles. We both walk outside.
It's around 9:30, I leave to get something to eat, walk up soi 4 some more then head to Thermae. Just a recon mission. I arrive but I don't go in. I see many freelancers outside. I see many many ladyboys, which is a constant throughout the night. So here I am, freelancers tugging on my arms, my tinder and TF are blowing up with 4-5 women begging to come see me and I still have the option of picking up my Playskool cutie. So I decide to head to the 7-11 and then to my place to rest and clean up. I work Tinder and TF for a while and then take a quick nap. It's 11:30 and I have options. The women on Tinder / TF are aggressive. Two are asking for 3000 bht for ST, which I don't even try to negotiate. I just say "oh ok. " The two that were requesting that amount were cute girls, but not cute enough for that amount. With two others, a fee was not discussed yet. And two others were requesting 1500 bht for ST. I really wanted one of the 1500, she was cute and my type but she was tired from her office job. I told her to message me later. I decided to head back to nana plaza to see my Playskool cutie. I walk soi 4 and converse with the freelancers for a while. I speak with about 6-7. All asking for anything between 1000 to 1500 for ST. A couple had rooms and wanted me to come with them. The others were asking "can I come with yuuu?" Around 1 am I head into nana plaza. I decided to explore and take the stairs. As I make my way to the steps in the back, a girl grabs me and tells me that her friend likes me. I tell her I'm on a mission and "I'm ok. " I go to the third floor and survey the scene. It's Saturday night and the place is not really crowded. Girls are standing outside the doors of their establishment. I look down and see my cutie hanging out talking to her friends and customers. I decide to head down. As I get to the bottom of the steps a short petite lady approaches me and grabs my arm. She says Hello, and that she likes me. She tells me to come with her. Her voice is somewhat deep and I realize she's a ladyboy. I respectfully decline but she isn't taking no for an answer. I tell her I'm going to see someone and I point towards playskool. Again, she's not trying to hear the word no. She grabs my package and tells me I should come with her into the bar and she nods towards Obsession. I move her hand and tell her "I'm OK. " She grabs my package again and gets closer. I'm thinking Hangover II and how I'm not about to end up drunk with a ladyboy story. I finally pull away and walk over to my Playskool cutie. I poke her in the side, she jumps and is surprised / excited to see me. She was impressed that I came back like I said I would. Her friends were giggling and saying something in Thai. There was another farang sitting outside with a cutie. I took a seat and we all conversed. My cutie was so excited. We sat for an hour talking, people watching, drinking. I'm checking out chicks and she's flirting with potential customers walking by. Finally, I tell her it's getting late and I was going to head out. She says she'll just go inside and she hopes she sees me again. I tell her "no, I was serious, I'm taking you home and we boom boom. " She gets excited and tells me to go pay the bar fine. I go in and tell the mamasan and she states it's 1000. She asked how long I want. My cutie had already told me 3000 bht earlier. Mamasan tells me it's 1000 for bar fine and 3000 for girl. I give her the 1000. She turns and is talking to someone. She turns back around and says ST will be 3000. I'm prepared to tell her No and that the money goes to the girl (a tip I got from the board). However, before I can say anything mamasan gets distracted. My cutie comes out from the back with her street clothes on, her friends giggling and happy / jealous for / of her. She walks up, mamasan turns back around, sees my cutie and then writes the letters TIP on her own hand. I'm looking at her like WTF, stop it. I'm ready to go so I give her 100 bht and me and my cutie leave. We get to my place, we hang out talking. She's laying on me, comfortable. We flirt a lot. Finally, I get her up off the couch and we head to the bedroom. She asks to shower. I didn't ask to join. She showers, I shower, I come out and she's in a towel on the bed. I lay down beside her. We chat some, cuddle then she starts passionately kissing me. She eventually gives me a passionate BBBJ. She comes up and a lot kissing continues. I flip her over, get the cover and we go at it. She's into and it's pretty hot and heavy. I eventually pop. We lay down talking a while. I can tell she wants to stay the night. Throughout the entire time I was around her I notice that she's not pushy. With the exception of asking me to buy her a drink, she never pushed for anything. She let me make the decisions. I ask her about LT. She gets excited and tells me that it's when she stays the night and we boom boom over and over and over until I can't take it anymore. I tell her I will LT her before I leave. She's happy and looks forward to it. We get dressed, exchange social media, she calls a car and leaves.
I stay up chatting with ladies on Tinder / TF setting up things for Day 2.
Reggie1980
03-11-20, 13:31
Day 2.
I decide I wanted to save some bht and only go for 1 encounter today. I knew I didn't want to go the massage route. I thought about another go go bar route but I decided if I was going to save on bht, I'd go the freelance route. I took a step back on the TF / Tinder route because the pace that I was going, I would have about 15 prospects lined up. I could barely manage the 6 I had that were ready to come over. I kept telling them, I will see you later today. So I stuck with 4 out of the 6 (dropped the two asking for 3000) and stopped fishing for others. The plan was to pick up someone from the street or have one of the 4 to come over. I hit the streets around 10. Realizing that I had totally forgotten there were two other redlight districts so I decided to recon soi cowboy. Before heading to Soi Cowboy I walked the streets. Many freelancers out tugging on me. I eventually head to Soi. I get there, stand on the corner, take a deep breath before heading down the road. I didn't know what to expect. Right as I got past the taxis, taxi drivers and motorbikes, the line opened up a hole to where I could see almost all the way to the end of the road. It felt like I was Emmitt Smith and the offensive line had cleared the path for me to score. I'm telling you, as I began walking it felt like I was the only guy on the street. It felt like triumph but quickly turned to terror. I truly felt like a naked woman walking through a male prison. The women in the street staring, some making kissing sounds, some yelling out "I remember you," "Come over here" "Heyyyyy. " I couldn't wait to get to the end. Right as I was getting close, someone grabbed me with force and locked up my arm. I'm thinking, "this is it," the police are here to arrest me. I'm not sure what I did wrong but this officer is grabbing me with such force, it had to be really bad. I look up to ask the officer what I did wrong and it's an absolutely beautiful scantily clad woman. "Hey, don't leave me, come with me. " I wanted to leave but she was just so damn fine. She was taller than me, nice ass, nice tits, my goodness, perfect. But I wanted to leave, gather my thoughts and then walk back through. But this woman was strong and she wasn't letting me go. I'm negotiating with her to allow me to leave. I'm promising that I will return to see her. By this time her friends are coming over smiling and laughing. She's saying "Liar, liar. " Her English is not good. I'm telling her I promise I will come back and to please let me go. I forcefully try to pull away and she holds on tighter. She loosens her grip down to my wrist, holding it with both her hands. She bows down and bows her head and begs me not to leave. Now, there's 5 more of her friends walking up. All giggling. Again, I tell this beautiful, possessive girl that I promise I will come back. She makes me pinky swear and finally loosens her grip. We pinky swear and she again says "liar. " As she's letting go I deliberately look up to catch the name of the bar so that when I leave I can check my notes on my phone. I had a list of do's and don'ts on my phone but I forgot to review them before day 2 started. So I look up and see the word DeJa Vu. I walk out to the corner, find a safe spot and pull out my phone to check my notes. Under the heading of Places to Avoid, I see DeJa Vu. Damnit, she was so damn beautiful but I wasn't going against my notes. So I got myself together messaged one of my ladies from TF and told her to meet me back at my place. Told her I was out and about, needed to eat before we meet. She replied "OK, I wait for you. " I head to Sukhumvit 4 to check out the sights. I pass by many ladyboys and freelancers. It was tough to turn down some of the freelancers but I was sticking to my plan. I was going to bang the cute freelancer from TF for 1500 bht. After eating, hugging up on and chatting with freelancers, I message my TF cutie and tell her to meet me at my place. I get to my place first, she messages me, I go down to pick her up. It's around 1:30 am I get off the elevator and my cutie is sitting down in the lobby. I walk up and I'm taken aback. My cutie looks like a ladyboy. She's tall and has some strong features. I'm a little worried. She's warm and friendly but very nervous. We go up the elevator, the whole time I'm thinking, this a f*cking ladyboy and I have to get rid of her. We get in the room and she's super nervous. I'm showing no emotion and not friendly at all. She suggests a game and that each time a person loses they have to take off an article of clothing. We play and I lose and she tells me to take off an article of clothing. I refuse and tell her she needs to disrobe. She mentions a shower and asked could we shower together. Now I'm confused, she really thinks I'm going to be OK disrobing to get into the shower with her when she pulls out a sausage? I tell her to disrobe. I'm standing there ready to put her out as soon as the worm comes dangling down. She eventually takes off everything and I see a vagina. WTH, no way, maybe I'm wrong. She suggests we shower. I'm still confused but I go with it because she definitely doesn't have a male part. I look at the breast and in my mind I'm thinking that those are breasts grown from taking hormone pills. I'm totally confused at this point. She bathes me and starts giving me a BBBJ in the shower. Pornstar style. We dry off, go to the bed and she tells me to lay back. Proceeds to go to work with a very good BBBJ. She's all over the boys and all. Now, in my head, I'm back to thinking "this is a post op ladyboy. Why else is she going so hard on the BBBJ. She wants me to pop so we don't go all the way. " So I tell her enough, I say "I want some p*ssy. " She pulls out some lube and starts fingering herself. The lube has me second guessing again. She asks for a condom, I get one and put it on but I'm thinking I don't want to go through with this. She gets on top and starts putting it in. She's super tight. It's barely fitting in and I tell her I'm done. I say "it's OK, it's too tight, I'm OK. " She says, no I want you to come." She rips off the condom and goes back to sucking. I stop her again and tell her I'm OK. Mentally I wasn't into it. We get dressed and I give her the 1500 bht. She asked for a tip but I declined and she left. I don't know 100% what her story is, but in my mind, it was enough to throw me off.
I immediately showered and contacted a TF cutie that I had been putting on the back burner. She was awake and wanted to come over. I started thinking, damn, I'm supposed to be saving on bht today. By this time it's 3 am But I tell my TF girl to come over. She asks can she come in an hour. That's my sign to refrain from booking. So I tell her I'll see her tomorrow and I get some sleep.
First off a nagging question. Does this bar have post-ops? The girls on the rotating stage (not the ones in the jacuzzi) are tall and some have bodies that are too good to be true.
Took a girl for ST from said stage. Usual damage (1000 + 3000).
Again some blood on the condom after we finished. I asked through Google if she was menstruating, she said "no, too big". I told her next time please complain out loud if it hurts! This has been happening to me quite often in Thailand. It saddens me to think those girls are too polite to complain when they're in pain. I use plenty of lube and my cock is only in the big league in countries like Thailand.
First off a nagging question. Does this bar have post-ops? The girls on the rotating stage (not the ones in the jacuzzi) are tall and some have bodies that are too good to be true.
To my knowledge, there are no post-ops there and have never heard of them having any. Billboards has a lot of girls that fit the type you describe, that's kinda their thing. Billboard and Butterflies are the two sorta more club-like feel places with hot girls.
Day 1...Day 2.Damn Reggie, definitely a lot of mistakes but I hope you had a good time nonetheless. I would really suggest meeting someone more experienced to show you around for a night. Then you can watch and learn from him on how to pick the right bars (experience), avoid LBs (don't walk past their bars, even if you have to take a longer route), decline lady drinks and tip requests from unattractive girls and mamasans (smile, and say no or "cannot".
Also in terms of writing, I would suggest putting in a few more paragraphs to make it easier to read.
Keep it up!
Nuttin Serious
03-12-20, 10:20
In BKK for a couple of days. I'm not a regular, in fact I consider myself a complete amateur who RTFF so can only call it like I see it, compared to a couple years ago.
Ate lunch in Hillary4 this afternoon, one of 6 customers in the entire place. Looking across at Hooters, similar story there. Hostess in H4 said they had a meeting this morning. Their hours are changing tomorrow and staff are nervous.
Looked into Kazykozy for first time last night, was 1 of only 2 customers in the place at 9.30. Some fairly aggressive 'take me now' lap grinding attention from some there. Baccara had a small crop of Japanese or Koreans attending but lots of empty seats and well outnumbered by Girls. This white guy even got a few hopeful looks. But only from the less attrative ones. Saw a perfect 10 for me but cold shouldered.
Visited Thermae for first time. Quite impressed. ! Girls outnumbered guys 10 to 1. Maybe 10 actively sort my attention, waving, and I got smiles from almost all I deliberately tried to make eye contact with, which were all girls I consider in great shape and attractive, 22 - 25 yo. All starting offers at 2500, except for the one I took who dropped from 3 to 2500, then we agreed to 3 k anyway for some extra service. She really made my gogo girl from the night before look unsophisticated, and her skin was so soft. Will def prioritize Thermae in future. Will construct a full report later.
Yes I LT'the one late last year.
Before I get a shower of questions: She had the most incredible smile on the rotating stage and was super pretty but as the night wore on the clues mounted up more and more (numerous personality and behavioural traits, hidden aggression, warning from my friends Thai GF who knew instinctively, her trying to shortcut the hotel and get physical in a darkened restaurant toilet etc.). It ended at the Sofitel of course and I saw her completely naked and then the final evidence with my own eyes. Wasn't too bothered to be fair and actually found the whole episode quite amusing / interesting (still see her updates on Line) but we won't be settling foot in there again.
The next few days me and my mate recounted other girls there, some of whom we've talked to in the past and suffice to say we are fairly certain there are others.
Twister, Butterflies and R2 are the best bars for us. Never any problems.
First off a nagging question. Does this bar have post-ops? The girls on the rotating stage (not the ones in the jacuzzi) are tall and some have bodies that are too good to be true.
Took a girl for ST from said stage. Usual damage (1000 + 3000).
Again some blood on the condom after we finished. I asked through Google if she was menstruating, she said "no, too big". I told her next time please complain out loud if it hurts! This has been happening to me quite often in Thailand. It saddens me to think those girls are too polite to complain when they're in pain. I use plenty of lube and my cock is only in the big league in countries like Thailand.
Reggie1980
03-12-20, 19:16
Thanks for the advice Skepti.
Damn Reggie, definitely a lot of mistakes but I hope you had a good time nonetheless. I would really suggest meeting someone more experienced to show you around for a night. Then you can watch and learn from him on how to pick the right bars (experience), avoid LBs (don't walk past their bars, even if you have to take a longer route), decline lady drinks and tip requests from unattractive girls and mamasans (smile, and say no or "cannot".
Also in terms of writing, I would suggest putting in a few more paragraphs to make it easier to read.
Keep it up!
Day 2.
I decide I wanted to save some bht and only go for 1 encounter today. I knew I didn't want to go the massage route. I thought about another go go bar route but I decided if I was going to save on bht, I'd go the freelance route. I took a step back on the TF / Tinder route because the pace that I was going, I would have about 15 prospects lined up. I could barely manage the 6 I had that were ready to come over. I kept telling them, I will see you later today. So I stuck with 4 out of the 6 (dropped the two asking for 3000) and stopped fishing for others. The plan was to pick up someone from the street or have one of the 4 to come over. I hit the streets around 10. Realizing that I had totally forgotten there were two other redlight districts so I decided to recon soi cowboy. Before heading to Soi Cowboy I walked the streets. Many freelancers out tugging on me. I eventually head to Soi. I get there, stand on the corner, take a deep breath before heading down the road. I didn't know what to expect. Right as I got past the taxis, taxi drivers and motorbikes, the line opened up a hole to where I could see almost all the way to the end of the road. It felt like I was Emmitt Smith and the offensive line had cleared the path for me to score. I'm telling you, as I began walking it felt like I was the only guy on the street. It felt like triumph but quickly turned to terror. I truly felt like a naked woman walking through a male prison. The women in the street staring, some making kissing sounds, some yelling out "I remember you," "Come over here" "Heyyyyy. " I couldn't wait to get to the end. Right as I was getting close, someone grabbed me with force and locked up my arm. I'm thinking, "this is it," the police are here to arrest me. I'm not sure what I did wrong but this officer is grabbing me with such force, it had to be really bad. I look up to ask the officer what I did wrong and it's an absolutely beautiful scantily clad woman. "Hey, don't leave me, come with me. " I wanted to leave but she was just so damn fine. She was taller than me, nice ass, nice tits, my goodness, perfect. But I wanted to leave, gather my thoughts and then walk back through. But this woman was strong and she wasn't letting me go. I'm negotiating with her to allow me to leave. I'm promising that I will return to see her. By this time her friends are coming over smiling and laughing. She's saying "Liar, liar. " Her English is not good. I'm telling her I promise I will come back and to please let me go. I forcefully try to pull away and she holds on tighter. She loosens her grip down to my wrist, holding it with both her hands. She bows down and bows her head and begs me not to leave. Now, there's 5 more of her friends walking up. All giggling. Again, I tell this beautiful, possessive girl that I promise I will come back. She makes me pinky swear and finally loosens her grip. We pinky swear and she again says "liar. " As she's letting go I deliberately look up to catch the name of the bar so that when I leave I can check my notes on my phone. I had a list of do's and don'ts on my phone but I forgot to review them before day 2 started. So I look up and see the word DeJa Vu. I walk out to the corner, find a safe spot and pull out my phone to check my notes. Under the heading of Places to Avoid, I see DeJa Vu. Damnit, she was so damn beautiful but I wasn't going against my notes. So I got myself together messaged one of my ladies from TF and told her to meet me back at my place. Told her I was out and about, needed to eat before we meet. She replied "OK, I wait for you. " I head to Sukhumvit 4 to check out the sights. I pass by many ladyboys and freelancers. It was tough to turn down some of the freelancers but I was sticking to my plan. I was going to bang the cute freelancer from TF for 1500 bht. After eating, hugging up on and chatting with freelancers, I message my TF cutie and tell her to meet me at my place. I get to my place first, she messages me, I go down to pick her up. It's around 1:30 am I get off the elevator and my cutie is sitting down in the lobby. I walk up and I'm taken aback. My cutie looks like a ladyboy. She's tall and has some strong features. I'm a little worried. She's warm and friendly but very nervous. We go up the elevator, the whole time I'm thinking, this a f*cking ladyboy and I have to get rid of her. We get in the room and she's super nervous. I'm showing no emotion and not friendly at all. She suggests a game and that each time a person loses they have to take off an article of clothing. We play and I lose and she tells me to take off an article of clothing. I refuse and tell her she needs to disrobe. She mentions a shower and asked could we shower together. Now I'm confused, she really thinks I'm going to be OK disrobing to get into the shower with her when she pulls out a sausage? I tell her to disrobe. I'm standing there ready to put her out as soon as the worm comes dangling down. She eventually takes off everything and I see a vagina. WTH, no way, maybe I'm wrong. She suggests we shower. I'm still confused but I go with it because she definitely doesn't have a male part. I look at the breast and in my mind I'm thinking that those are breasts grown from taking hormone pills. I'm totally confused at this point. She bathes me and starts giving me a BBBJ in the shower. Pornstar style. We dry off, go to the bed and she tells me to lay back. Proceeds to go to work with a very good BBBJ. She's all over the boys and all. Now, in my head, I'm back to thinking "this is a post op ladyboy. Why else is she going so hard on the BBBJ. She wants me to pop so we don't go all the way. " So I tell her enough, I say "I want some p*ssy. " She pulls out some lube and starts fingering herself. The lube has me second guessing again. She asks for a condom, I get one and put it on but I'm thinking I don't want to go through with this. She gets on top and starts putting it in. She's super tight. It's barely fitting in and I tell her I'm done. I say "it's OK, it's too tight, I'm OK. " She says, no I want you to come." She rips off the condom and goes back to sucking. I stop her again and tell her I'm OK. Mentally I wasn't into it. We get dressed and I give her the 1500 bht. She asked for a tip but I declined and she left. I don't know 100% what her story is, but in my mind, it was enough to throw me off.........For me post-ops are worse than lady boys. At least with a lady boy you can abort when you see the sausage. With a post-op there is all that touching, kissing, sucking and coitus.....with a man.
Sideshow01
03-12-20, 23:41
I have a few GoGo dancers from Soi Cowboy on line and it seems times are really bad. Shark and dollhouse basically no customers. Maybe Kazy / crazy and long gun can still pull in some due to the show or lack of clothes.
My impressions of how things are in the bars, with freelancers and other P4P girls during this time of extremely low customer traffic continues to be that it is every bit as easy as it has always been to get just about any girl of any high level of attractiveness to go with you for ST as long as you are willing to settle for basic, standard covered fare and pay her going rate. Maybe you can negotiate a 500 baht discount from her usual 2,500 - 3,000 baht going rate these days. That's about it, imo. Otherwise, I have experienced no difference in the way P4P girls are conducting their business here.
However, I did experience what I might consider a minor turning point for (at least one of) the hottest girls I saw in Thermae last night around 9pm. I took my usual unofficial survey pass through the place, got several more welcoming smiles from the lineup since there were markedly fewer Asian potential customer "witnesses" to it and there she was! A real beauty. Standing on the left side and near the back door. Fantastic, lovely, perfectly proportioned long legs topped off by a very short pair of cut off jeans shorts around a perfect candy apple butt, tallish, slim but curvy, light skinned, classic Asian beauty face, a real Asian punter taste bonanza or so I'm told. Mid 20's at the most.
And she was all smiles, nodding and body language gesturing me to come to her from across the room. I had to look around and check 2-3 times to make sure she was "talking" to me. LOL. I then made a direct walk from the center bar to her spot in the line up. Very fluent English, funny, charming, grasping my hand, got to the point about me please, please taking her within a minute. Not one word about how much baht for her. She just "wanted to be with me", "wanted to make me happy." My only allusion to either of the only two things that would make for a fulfilling P4P for me was, "You see I am a farang, right? You should also know I like kissing on the lips, kissing you everywhere and having sex like a real boyfriend and girlfriend, ok?"
"Oh, yes, I like that too!", she assured me with a big beautiful smile.
I did not say more and was willing to take my chances with "go with the flow" beyond that with her.
In the room, she could not have been more cute, chatty, charming, sweet, deferential and naturally feminine. I was popping a boner through my pants before I had even put my arms around her. Now, she did LOVE beer. We picked up a couple of big bottles of LEO, her choice, at 7-11 and I had a few cans of it in my fridge. She downed BOTH of those big boys and chased them down with another can! She was definitely getting looped and funnier along the way. LOL. I certainly had no problem with that.
From the beginning she was going on and on about how great it will be for us to exchange Line info and for her to come over every week to be my regular or maybe even more. Talking about children (she has none) I managed to inform her I'd had a vasectomy, why and that I would not make her pregnant. She seemed delighted about that. This was going very, very well. I even enjoyed her company.
After what seemed like 90 minutes of us sitting fully clothed at my dining table, her drinking all of the beer except for half a small glassful with ice no less that I poured for myself, talking about all kinds of fun things, our likes and dislikes in life in general, family and so on, chemistry developing as strongly as I have ever felt, it was finally time to get down to it.
She was even more beautiful naked. All real. And perfect. Maybe a bit too long pubic hair for my liking, but it was confined to a small triangle in her sweet spot. And speaking of her sweet spot, she appeared to really enjoy my DATY. She could not say enough about how amazing it was to feel so good without any "pain". Apparently, the other times men have done that to her they were too rough or did some weird thing to cause her pain. But not this time. She said she came many times during the 15 minutes or so I was busy down there and thoroughly enjoying it myself. Her vaginal contractions and increased pussy juice flowing at certain key times helped me believe her.
Ah, now it was my turn. Her gentle kissing and licking my shaved balls and up and down all sides of the shaft was glorious. As hard as I was before, now I was as rigid as a twisted blue steel spike. Ready for more!
But. No more came. I kind of gently nudged her temple to more or less direct her toward putting my dick into her mouth and that was a no go. She asked, "You have condom?" "Well, I might still have one somewhere here. But you remember we talked about why I got a vasectomy many years ago, don't you?"
"Oh, NO. Must have condom to put dick in my mouth! I cannot do that without condom! And for boom boom!"
"uh, well, sorry hon but I can't feel anything and will never stay hard or finish wearing a condom. We talked about that already just a few minutes ago."
"Oh, then I will use my hand," she said with a chuckle and as big a smile as she'd displayed from the time she pleaded with me to take her from Thermae.
"Oh, no thanks, honey. I don't want a handjob. I have a hand and I can reach myself. I don't need a lady for a handjob. I need a lady for boom boom or a blowjob," I said with just as much of a chuckle and smile as she was giving me.
Did that turn this incomparably charming, enjoyable, chemistry-laden "go with the flow" experience into something wonderful? Nope. Maybe for her, but not for me. She reacted fairly shocked and horrified by the very idea of putting an uncovered dick in her mouth, much less in her pussy. Well, my dick anyway.
So she rinsed off in the shower and got dressed, I rinsed off in the shower and got dressed and I put 2,000 baht on the table next to her purse. There was no request from either one of us to exchange our Line info. Still all smiles, she said, "You give me 2,500 ok?" "Hon, I think giving you 2,000 is already very fair and generous for what we did." "You give me taxi?", she asked with a smile. "I think you have taxi money in that 2,000 baht, hon. Maybe next time," knowing as well as she did there will never be a next time. Unless she promises me the world or I don't have to pay her anything standing in Thermae next time, of course.
More big smiles, hugs and kisses from her at the door, she lovingly cupped my face in her hands and told me I was a very nice, good man and she was lucky to meet me tonight. Bye.
Anyway, this is just a report to let any of you Thermae-curious punters of any age, race or ethnicity out there that it might actually be easier than ever before to engage with and TAKE one of those very hot top 5% looker Thermae girls these days. And their demeanor might actually be quite pleasant along the way and in the room. And, no doubt about it, if you are the kind of punter who is happy with covered everything and I mean covered damn near everything, you will most certainly have a great time with some of them.
But if any of you are thinking those top 5% best lookers at Thermae are so needy during this time to loosen up on their grip of condom condom condom for just about anything related to sexual pleasure for the man and shifting them into True GFE/Real Sex mode with a first time session (or ever), we are definitely not there yet. I suspect we are not there yet with any solid 8+ hooker in Thailand, not just in Thermae. Interestingly, I noticed there was no mention of putting a condom on my tongue before the DATY.
Houston Player
03-13-20, 10:57
HaHa sounds to me like maybe you met Pa. She's doesn't work Thermae often anymore but is the exact same service that I received from her.
.............More big smiles, hugs and kisses from her at the door, she lovingly cupped my face in her hands and told me I was a very nice, good man and she was lucky to meet me tonight. Bye...........Wow, lucky girl, 2000 bahts and no boom boom.
HaHa sounds to me like maybe you met Pa. She's doesn't work Thermae often anymore but is the exact same service that I received from her.Yep. Sounds like her name.
One other detail that got lost as I wrote the report was when I told her there was taxi fare in the 2,000 baht I gave her I also said I am sure the taxi driver will have change and, besides, if we boom boom the only way I can I would happily give you 3,000 baht if you need more money. She chuckled at that, too, and then made an icky face as though the idea of having my uncovered dick in her was the most revolting thing she ever heard. LOL.
There was no counter offer request of 5,000 baht, 10,000 baht or more. So I won't be holding my breath for her to change her mind the next time around.
Wow, lucky girl, 2000 bahts and no boom boom.Hey, she did get naked, let me see her pussy up close and personal and licked my balls for about 3 minutes!
But if any of you are thinking those top 5% best lookers at Thermae are so needy during this time to loosen up on their grip of condom condom condom for just about anything related to sexual pleasure for the man and shifting them into True GFE/Real Sex mode with a first time session.Nevermind a condom, I'd want to be wearing a full protection suit before going anywhere near Thermae right now.
MichaelSamuel
03-13-20, 19:19
HM, I think I know that one, took her twice. Larger than average naturals for a thai girl? Uses a picture on line in a car with man you seatbelt cover? Sounds like right location in thermae.
She was alright for me, for the life of me I can't recall the BJ, but I do know I certainly DATY her. 2nd time she was definitely in need of business and thought performance would be better, but no, so gave up after 2.
Yep. Sounds like her name.
One other detail that got lost as I wrote the report was when I told her there was taxi fare in the 2,000 baht I gave her I also said I am sure the taxi driver will have change and, besides, if we boom boom the only way I can I would happily give you 3,000 baht if you need more money. She chuckled at that, too, and then made an icky face as though the idea of having my uncovered dick in her was the most revolting thing she ever heard. LOL.
There was no counter offer request of 5,000 baht, 10,000 baht or more. So I won't be holding my breath for her to change her mind the next time around.
Member #4698
03-13-20, 20:27
I already uploaded this link in the general thread, but it's funny. Very apropo. I think everyone will have a laugh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LawuQG8Z81w
HM, I think I know that one, took her twice. Larger than average naturals for a thai girl? Uses a picture on line in a car with man you seatbelt cover? Sounds like right location in thermae.
She was alright for me, for the life of me I can't recall the BJ, but I do know I certainly DATY her. 2nd time she was definitely in need of business and thought performance would be better, but no, so gave up after 2.I don't really remember her name exactly. But it could have been "Pa" or some other single syllable name like that. I only heard her say it once in the bar and there was certainly no reason for me to ask her to repeat it later since by then I had no interest in getting her Line info for any reason. So I also never saw her Line photo.
I would say the overall experience and ultimate result for me with her was similar to what I have experienced with every other (4-5) notably better looking than average Thermae girl I have taken. Nothing surprising about it and, therefore, it could have been one of any number of girls there that night.
In fact, on the issue of my never even fucking much less finishing, the result for me was essentially the same as it has been with almost every other Thai girl I would judge most punters would rate an 8 or better. Her session-halting resistance to engaging in BBFS, which I have no problem respecting and honoring, being the reason. Which is why I don't really bother with that type of girl in Thermae or elsewhere unless it is seemingly falling in my lap as was the case here.
If she had been a 7.9 instead of an 8+, the end result would almost certainly have been 100% better for me. LOL. It's true though.
I had already vowed to never again take a Thermae girl of any level of attractivemess without first negotiating the 2-3 very important details I need in order to make a P4P session worth any amount of money at all. I made an exception with this one because I was also interested in seeing if the extremely low customer traffic of late might improve a "go with the flow" approach for me vs my preference of negotiating a clearly understood upfront agreement. It obviously didn't.
I'm a rookie on the international scene and this was my first international hunting trip. I made some mistakes and maybe overpaid in instances but it was a fun time. Keep in mind, I'm a rookie and was definitely overwhelmed at times.Enjoyed reading your report and I admire how honest you were about your experiences as a first-time visitor. I'm sure other guys will weigh in here, but just off the top of my head here are a few things to work on.
Spending Hours and Hours in Your Hotel Room Looking at Girls Online. I realize there's an argument to be made that our hobby will become increasingly digital. But as you learned, this is a total time vacuum. Moreover, the appearance of online girls is hit-or-miss.
Ignoring Good Intelligence You Picked Up Here. Your original plan to visit Tulip or a similar place was smart. These are well known because they offer reliable service and value for money.
Falling Under the Spell of a Tout. You realize that you paid this joker twice, right? Once directly to him in his hand. Plus he got a kickback from the place he took you to. Write this on the back of your hand: Ninety-nine-point-nine percent of people who approach you on the street are running a scam.
Failing to Cut Your Losses. Once you arrived at the parlor and saw the lineup, you should have bolted. Throw 100 baht to the tout if you must. But never double down on your mistake by going through with a session you know will be lousy. As it turned out, you let the tout choose and ended up with a fat girl who insisted on a condomized blow job.
Not Being Able to Say No. You bought the fat girl an overpriced drink and gave her a tip after a crummy session. Tipped a go-go mamasan for doing nothing? WTF? The girls are always asking for drinks, tips, gifts, food etc. Learn to say no. No need to be nasty. Just smile and shake your head while saying something noncommittal like "maybe later. " Thai people know what that means.
Posting a Report With Only a Few Paragraphs. Good content, but almost impossible to read. Take a few extra seconds and chop it up into shorter paragraphs.
Great Thermae report dude. I may have to fly in from Cambodia to get some meds, and maybe a stop at the Thermae is in order.
I'm a condom guy though.
Nevermind a condom, I'd want to be wearing a full protection suit before going anywhere near Thermae right now.Maybe that is the reason that particular better looking than most Thermae girl zeroed in on a somewhat elderly farang to take her out of that place ASAP! LOL.
Well, I think standing in Thermae regardless of the ethnic make up of the customers can now be added to the long list of ordinary activities that pose a much greater serious, long term or life-altering risk to one's health than BBFS+CIP, certainly with someone who has had a vasectomy and always carries a current negative HIV and other STD test results document. But try convincing the girls of that. 😏
Great Thermae report dude. I may have to fly in from Cambodia to get some meds, and maybe a stop at the Thermae is in order.
I'm a condom guy though.Oh, hell, if you're a condom guy there will be near zero resistance from any and all Thermae girls going with you and delivering their usual service standard these days regardless of your age, race, ethnicity, physical condition, level of charm or game if any, still living or scientifically reanimated after death. Which, imo, has always been the case everywhere in Thailand anyway with extremely rare exception as long as you agree to pay their asking price or close to it, even with the snottiest girls in Thermae.
The only real question being, do you want to waste the next 90 minutes of your mongering life with a snotty girl.
SpringLord
03-14-20, 07:34
Does Bangkok have anything like Soi 6 in Pattaya where bars have rooms upstairs?
Oh, hell, if you're a condom guy there will be near zero resistance from any and all Thermae girls going with you and delivering their usual service standard these days regardless of your age, race, ethnicity, physical condition, level of charm or game if any, still living or scientifically reanimated after death. Which, imo, has always been the case everywhere in Thailand anyway with extremely rare exception as long as you agree to pay their asking price or close to it, even with the snottiest girls in Thermae.
The only real question being, do you want to waste the next 90 minutes of your mongering life with a snotty girl.90 minutes? The faster she gets me off and I can leave, the more I give her.
Streetlooker
03-15-20, 13:22
Oh, hell, if you're a condom guy there will be near zero resistance from any and all Thermae girls going with you and delivering their usual service standard these days regardless of your age, race, ethnicity, physical condition, level of charm or game if any, still living or scientifically reanimated after death. Which, imo, has always been the case everywhere in Thailand anyway with extremely rare exception as long as you agree to pay their asking price or close to it, even with the snottiest girls in Thermae.
The only real question being, do you want to waste the next 90 minutes of your mongering life with a snotty girl.I have come to a point in my life age 57 where no matter how long a girl sucks me or how long I pump her in any position and how tight wet or hot the girl is physically. I will no longer be able to have a Happy finish with her if I use a condom. The last few times I put on a condom I lost my boner pretty much right away. My dick is so desensitized that even raw dog is becoming a chore to finish with a orgasm. Right now I have to abstain for about 3 days between sessions just to pop one off and Lucky for me at this time I have a regular girl I can go Bare with, But my mongering days seem to be coming to a end. I used 5 condoms on a girl last week and she was a trooper But no matter what we did I was not going to finish made her feel bad like it was her fault. Even used the lub the inside of the condom method still didn't work. I just can't take the squeeze effect of a condom anymore. RIP to me 555.
I have come to a point in my life age 57 where no matter how long a girl sucks me or how long I pump her in any position and how tight wet or hot the girl is physically. I will no longer be able to have a Happy finish with her if I use a condom...Before giving up on condoms and/or mongering, you may want to give the following a try:
1) Sagami 002.
2) DHEA (50 MG / day).
HorseTrader
03-15-20, 17:31
I have come to a point in my life age 57 where no matter how long a girl sucks me or how long I pump her in any position and how tight wet or hot the girl is physically. I will no longer be able to have a Happy finish with her if I use a condom. The last few times I put on a condom I lost my boner pretty much right away.I was in that same situation a year or two ago, though I'm a bit older. I started to pay much more attention to my health: diet, much water, daily aerobic exercise, and weight. I am also on Testosterone gel, which is expensive but effective. Those things helped me tremendously, though I sometimes still have the same insensitivity problems with condoms.
Lube inside a thin condom is a must for me. Lots of lube. Sometimes it is difficult to explain this to the girls because they don’t understand the problem. This is a non-problem at Doki Doki because your entire body is covered in wonderful slime.
Just a thought.
Radical Guy
03-15-20, 18:44
I was in that same situation a year or two ago, though I'm a bit older. I started to pay much more attention to my health: diet, much water, daily aerobic exercise, and weight. I am also on Testosterone gel, which is expensive but effective. Those things helped me tremendously, though I sometimes still have the same insensitivity problems with condoms.
Lube inside a thin condom is a must for me. Lots of lube. Sometimes it is difficult to explain this to the girls because they dont understand the problem. This is a non-problem at Doki Doki because your entire body is covered in wonderful slime.
Just a thought.For me, condoms are such a buzz kill, I don't bother with them. I'll check out the girl as best I can, and go bareback or nothing at all. The way I see it, life is inherently risky. I'd rather have a calculatedly more dangerous, but exciting life, than one that's “safe," but pointless. So far, I've mongered for a couple of decades, no condoms, with no major ill effects. Perhaps I'm lucky, but for me, there's no other way.
RG.
CoconutWater89
03-16-20, 04:55
About what % of the Thermae girls have enhanced chests? Is it a higher or lower % than a typical soapy? At a pricier soapy like Nancy maybe 10-15%.
I never checked it out on any of my two events and now regret it. I'm in that over porn consuming millenial generation that loves fake ones now.
Streetlooker
03-16-20, 11:37
For me, condoms are such a buzz kill, I don't bother with them. I'll check out the girl as best I can, and go bareback or nothing at all. The way I see it, life is inherently risky. I'd rather have a calculatedly more dangerous, but exciting life, than one that's safe," but pointless. So far, I've mongered for a couple of decades, no condoms, with no major ill effects. Perhaps I'm lucky, but for me, there's no other way.
RG.Yes I am pretty much to the point NO Condom or NO sex at all. I have always hated the stoppage of play to put on the condom. Sometimes its that brief moment of time 15-20 seconds that ruins the whole damn session. I can pump her like a oil well for a HR and nothing going to happen cause I don' t feel a damn thing cause my dicks all squeezed together. I take off the condom and bareback her 1 minute later I am finish there is just that big of a difference in sensation. Its the damn squeeze that ruins it all. Even in a Magnum extra large my dicks being squeezed. Forget the Thai or Filipino sized condoms They squeeze the blood right back out and I lose my erection.
Streetlooker
03-16-20, 11:38
Before giving up on condoms and/or mongering, you may want to give the following a try:
1) Sagami 002.
2) DHEA (50 MG / day).I will research these products and see if they might help. Thank you for your suggestion.
Yes I am pretty much to the point NO Condom or NO sex at all. I have always hated the stoppage of play to put on the condom. Sometimes its that brief moment of time 15-20 seconds that ruins the whole damn session. I can pump her like a oil well for a HR and nothing going to happen cause I don' t feel a damn thing cause my dicks all squeezed together. I take off the condom and bareback her 1 minute later I am finish there is just that big of a difference in sensation. Its the damn squeeze that ruins it all. Even in a Magnum extra large my dicks being squeezed. Forget the Thai or Filipino sized condoms They squeeze the blood right back out and I lose my erection.Something else rarely mentioned is that you lose sensitivity in your dick over time, especially if you have a significant amount of sex. There is no cure for that. It's probably a major factor in why so many people risk bareback.
Hotman 666
03-16-20, 11:54
Does Bangkok have anything like Soi 6 in Pattaya where bars have rooms upstairs?Yes.
HOTMAN.
Streetlooker
03-16-20, 12:37
Something else rarely mentioned is that you lose sensitivity in your dick over time, especially if you have a significant amount of sex. There is no cure for that. It's probably a major factor in why so many people risk bareback.Its the thickening and loosening of the skin on your dick that does it.
Bangkok's bar industry has faced numerous challenges over the past 15 years, but nothing like Covid-19. Trips to Thailand are being cancelled or postponed as fear spreads. No-one wants to contract the virus, and no-one wants to get stuck somewhere, caught out by ever-changing rules and border closures. Soon, the only customers in the bars will be expats. Can the bars survive?
The problem the bars face is simple. Fewer visitors to Thailand means fewer punters in the bars. That means less money being taken by the bar and fewer customers for the girls. And that's a big problem because these girls aren't in it for fun. If they're not making money, they won't stick around. Already, many have seen the writing on the wall and have left the bar. Not for another bar. They have gone home. They'll return when things improve. But when might that be?
A friend whose wife runs an agency supplying a big-name, foreigner-run gogo had this to say, "There is obviously a bit of a panic in the coyote agency world as girls don't want to come to work (which is understandable) and bars can no longer afford to pay the ones that do want to work. Many girls, unable to make ends meet, are returning home. "
For bars using agency girls, all it takes is a phone call to the agency and their daily expenses are slashed. That's a start, but it's not enough.
It's not just about the money – or lack of it – for the girls. Many have chosen to stop working for now because they're genuinely scared of contracting the virus.
First there were fewer customers. That resulted in fewer girls. And now with fewer girls those punters who do make it to the bars find it quiet and less fun. It's a vicious circle.
Bars popular with Asians have been feeling it for a few weeks and over the past couple of weeks, bars popular with Caucasians have been suffering too.
This month is shaping up to be really bad. April will be worse. May is usually the worst month of the year for visitor numbers. Things are dire now, in March, one of the better months of the year. Just how bad will they be in May?
With visitor numbers plummeting, will expats keep the bars going? Unlikely.
I'the be surprised if there aren't widespread bar closures come the end of this month. I just don't think it will be worth it for many owners to stay open beyond the end of March.
But perhaps the bar owners won't have to make that decision themselves. It might just be made for them. The Health Minister commented yesterday that the government should consider closing pubs and bars as they are a fertile ground for spreading the virus. The authorities could order the likes of Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy and Patpong closed. After 11 Thais were infected with the virus after a night out at a Thonglor pub earlier in the week, it's the sort of knee-jerk reaction Thai politicians are known for.
But it's not all bad news, and there is an upside for those in Thailand now. Girls are hungry. Some of the younger, prettier dancers who weren't previously available are now open to offers. Word is that rates are very much negotiable.
A friend of a friend making the rounds in Pattaya says that right now it is the best he has seen it in at least 15 years. Far fewer customers around, and the girls are hungry.
At the same time, some girls are more picky. From the owners of Smooci, I hear that in recent weeks escorts have become much more selective about who they choose to meet. They will cancel a booking if they see a Chinese name or merely if the customer is staying in a hotel that is popular with Chinese.
Back to the bars, much of the problem is that rents in Bangkok are crazy high. Would landlords consider discounting rent for a period? And in the unlikely event that a landlord agreed, would it even be enough?
Back to the idea that bars will rely on expats to see them through their darkest hour, I'll leave you with a thought. A regular reader emailed yesterday saying his Thai Mrs had threatened to leave him if he went out to the bars as he often does, like many Thais she is terrified of contracting Covid-19.
It could be months before Covid-19 is brought under control. What sort of economic carnage will it cause? How much longer can the bars stay open with trade so bad? And if bars close and remain closed for a while, will they ever reopen? Are there many bars resilient enough to survive this? Could the bar industry be reshaped forever? The bar industry is facing its darkest hour.
Something else rarely mentioned is that you lose sensitivity in your dick over time, especially if you have a significant amount of sex. There is no cure for that. It's probably a major factor in why so many people risk bareback.I have never had a successful finish wearing a condom other than once when I was in my 20's. Thought I was going to rupture a vital internal organ to finally squeeze that one out. Now I am 40+ years older and fit your described profile above. I have cute girls in their 20's pestering me to repeat bb sessions with them on a daily basis. No way would I be able to do anything with a condom now.
I understand and appreciate the suggestions from fellow punters to try this or that condom, this or that lube for us bareback punters. Unfortunately, I have tried dozens of different brands and styles over the years without success.
But how about adding to these well intentioned efforts by also suggesting to girls who for various reasons wind up engaging in bareback ways to greatly reduce their long term or life altering health risks?
"You know, honey, you ought to get on a birth control pill regime or keep a pack of Morning After pills on hand. And start requiring your men to produce a recent negative/normal HIV and Syphillis blood check document before agreeimg to boom boom no condom."
I have made that suggestion to girls. Sure, some dude could get a fake test result document. But some dudes already monkey with condoms so they will break, tear or accidentally on purpose slip off during sex too. At least it is better than nothing.
I will research these products and see if they might help. Thank you for your suggestion.Out of curiosity. Is your 3 days between pops and cannot use condom an issue even WITH use of dick pills like Viagra?
Yes.
HOTMAN.I am curious too. Perhaps you can provide some recommendations?
The gogo and beer bars I typically go to around Nana / soi 4 don't. It's either ST hotel or another cheap hotel since I prefer not to take back to room.
Thanks in advance.
HorseTrader
03-16-20, 17:29
"uh, well, sorry hon but I can't feel anything and will never stay hard or finish wearing a condom. We talked about that already just a few minutes ago."
So, that's the reason for no condom! All along I thought you were being an environmentalist, not wanting to put excess trash into the environment.
Just kidding. I have the same problem all too often.
I kind of gently nudged her temple to more or less direct her toward putting my dick into her mouth and that was a no go. She asked, "You have condom?" "Well, I might still have one somewhere here. But you remember we talked about why I got a vasectomy many years ago, don't you?"
"Oh, NO. Must have condom to put dick in my mouth! I cannot do that without condom! And for boom boom!"
"uh, well, sorry hon but I can't feel anything and will never stay hard or finish wearing a condom. We talked about that already just a few minutes ago."
"Oh, then I will use my hand," she said with a chuckle and as big a smile as she'd displayed from the time she pleaded with me to take her from Thermae.
"Oh, no thanks, honey. I don't want a handjob. I have a hand and I can reach myself. I don't need a lady for a handjob. I need a lady for boom boom or a blowjob," I said with just as much of a chuckle and smile as she was giving me. In the west, we call that the ol bait and switch. They'll yes you to death then, when the deed is about to happen, They pull that stunt as you described. God, I HATE the Thermae!.
So, that's the reason for no condom! All along I thought you were being an environmentalist, not wanting to put excess trash into the environment.
Just kidding. I have the same problem all too often.Yes, I tried telling the girls I don't use a condom for the same reason 7-11 stopped using plastc bags; "To Save The World! Don't you realize how many baby seals die from discarded condoms?"
But to limited results.
In the west, we call that the ol bait and switch. They'll yes you to death then, when the deed is about to happen, They pull that stunt as you described. God, I HATE the Thermae!.I just had a conversation with a cute Thermae girl last night regarding another kind of Bait and Switch they try to pull all the time. She said no sex (FS) without condom but blowjob without condom is ok for her. I asked how she would finish the blowjob (there were so few people in that bar at 9pm we could actually say the words in normal voice loud enough to be heard just by the two of us).
She looked puzzled by my question. So I asked if she would finish me inside her mouth. Her face switched to a mask of horror and she said, "NO, I use my hand. Cannot finish in mouth!"
I informed her, apparently for the first time in this late 20s year old's rapidly declining P4P career, that finishing by hand is a handjob, not a blowjob.
She said, "No, can use hand to finish. That is a blowjob."
I said, "Fine, give me a blowjob until I am ready to cum, then I will finish inside your pussy no condom and we'll call that a blowjob, too."
Not surprisingly, she did not get the point or the joke. Or pretended not to.
Yep, overall, Thermae girls have been allowed to offer and provide the worst, lowest quality sexual services of any P4P option in the country. Best to lock them in with an upfront agreement for the 2-3 most important things you require and, optimally, with some level of understanding that they will not get paid the agreed upon amount of baht if they don't actually provide those things. Otherwise, walk.
HorseTrader
03-16-20, 23:29
Yes, I tried telling the girls I don't use a condom for the same reason 7-11 stopped using plastc bags; "To Save The World! Don't you realize how many baby seals die from discarded condoms?"
But to limited results.About 12 days ago I was in 7-11 on Soi 11 listening to the recorded announcement about no more single use plastic bags. When I made my purchase they put my 3 items in a small plastic bag.
7-11 is same as Thermae girls. They promise no plastic, but then you get it anyway.
About 12 days ago I was in 7-11 on Soi 11 listening to the recorded announcement about no more single use plastic bags. When I made my purchase they put my 3 items in a small plastic bag.
7-11 is same as Thermae girls. They promise no plastic, but then you get it anyway.LOL. Yes, some 7-11's are now asking if you want a plastic bag and they'll give you a plain one without their logo on it, presumably so it can't be traced back to them wrapped around the neck of a baby seal.
Let me go on record fully supporting a system where the girls ASK if we want a condom or not, 7-11 plastic bag style.
Pahllus Maximus
03-17-20, 07:20
My odd visit to Thermae was a bunch of chicks pretending I was invisible and generally aloof and snobby. And from what it seems in the last few posts, from Eli Tooms bad service is the norm. Compare that to Snow White or other places where BBBJ / CIM and / or legs high in the air and balls deep in either of her holes is considered de rigueur, all reliable, no attitude and very accomplished girls that know how to please a man.
Just allow market forces and competitive tensions correct Thermae and its market distortion.
What is the scene at the soapys right now? Busy? Slow? Two for the price of one?
Sideshow01
03-17-20, 10:25
My odd visit to Thermae was a bunch of chicks pretending I was invisible and generally aloof and snobby. And from what it seems in the last few posts, from Eli Tooms bad service is the norm. Compare that to Snow White or other places where BBBJ / CIM and / or legs high in the air and balls deep in either of her holes is considered de rigueur, all reliable, no attitude and very accomplished girls that know how to please a man.
Just allow market forces and competitive tensions correct Thermae and its market distortion.
What is the scene at the soapys right now? Busy? Slow? Two for the price of one?Closing down for two weeks appears to be the scene.
Franciscass
03-17-20, 10:53
It is not possible to just ask the girl if she fucks without a condom and or if CIP CIM is allowed, accept it's her right to say no and leave it at that.
OK I get the unacceptable bait and switch, agreeing to whatever and then refusing in the room and if the girl knew exactly what she agreed to which incidentally can easily get lost in translation then she deserves what comes her way.
That said this refrain that girls who don't do BB are somehow delinquent and almost should be ostracized is a totally f**ked up monger privileged state of mind.
My odd visit to Thermae was a bunch of chicks pretending I was invisible and generally aloof and snobby. And from what it seems in the last few posts, from Eli Tooms bad service is the norm. Compare that to Snow White or other places where BBBJ / CIM and / or legs high in the air and balls deep in either of her holes is considered de rigueur, all reliable, no attitude and very accomplished girls that know how to please a man.
Just allow market forces and competitive tensions correct Thermae and its market distortion.
What is the scene at the soapys right now? Busy? Slow? Two for the price of one?I always find it amusing when folks try to make sense of the P4 P industry and equate their theories of "market forces" and competition with it. The P4 P scene blows what many folks think of economic givens out of the water. Examples are too numerous to state. Economics is and always has been a social science. There are no hard and fast rules as human behavior is unpredictable. Look at the panic that is gripping the planet now.
I always find it amusing when folks try to make sense of the P4 P industry and equate their theories of "market forces" and competition with it. The P4 P scene blows what many folks think of economic givens out of the water. Examples are too numerous to state. Economics is and always has been a social science. There are no hard and fast rules as human behavior is unpredictable. Look at the panic that is gripping the planet now.Yes what people forget is that economics theory almost always assumes the "rational actor" baseline model.
Which makes sense most of the time.
But not all of the time, and especially less so in the P4 P world because sex isn't a "rational act" to be meted out like a product or commodity.
Sex causes irrational acts like crimes of passion etc.
You get the idea.
Member #4698
03-17-20, 13:34
https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/bars-clubs-and-cinemas-closed-but-only-in-bangkok-and-only-for-14-days
The wait is over for me. I will now cancel my April-June trip.
SpringLord
03-17-20, 13:58
Thank you, Hotman. As mentioned below, it would be great if you can let us know of bars in BKK that are similar to Pattaya's soi 6?
I am curious too. Perhaps you can provide some recommendations?
The gogo and beer bars I typically go to around Nana / soi 4 don't. It's either ST hotel or another cheap hotel since I prefer not to take back to room.
Thanks in advance.
Yes what people forget is that economics theory almost always assumes the "rational actor" baseline model.
Which makes sense most of the time.
But not all of the time, and especially less so in the P4 P world because sex isn't a "rational act" to be meted out like a product or commodity.
Sex causes irrational acts like crimes of passion etc.
You get the idea.It is my opinion that the P4P scene in Thailand is always a "Buyers Market", but most of the girls and customers don't know it. LOL.
The girls always desperately need money, always owe much more than they've got, are always under pressure to provide for children, parents, brothers, sisters, etc., all of whom are also far in debt to dozens more.
We always have plenty of discretionary funds for fun by Thai standards and most of us want the most Value For Money we can get, many of us spend hours per day and night searching through the lineups for gold.
You would think the girls who are lucky enough to bag a customer would be clawing at the unyielding Earth with their bare hands to give the men they are with the most fabulous, memorable, Up To You sessions any man could wish for.
You would also think more customers would open their mouths and mention at least 2-3 things in a negotiation that they expect to get for the money rather than just trying to shave off 500 baht or so from the girls' asking price.
But nope.
Will a two week bar closure notably improve the dynamic for customers? I doubt it.
Streetlooker
03-17-20, 16:34
Out of curiosity. Is your 3 days between pops and cannot use condom an issue even WITH use of dick pills like Viagra?Its not the erection I am having a problem with its busting a nut.
It is my opinion that the P4P scene in Thailand is always a "Buyers Market", but most of the girls and customers don't know it. LOL.
The girls always desperately need money, always owe much more than they've got, are always under pressure to provide for children, parents, brothers, sisters, etc., all of whom are also far in debt to dozens more.
We always have plenty of discretionary funds for fun by Thai standards and most of us want the most Value For Money we can get, many of us spend hours per day and night searching through the lineups for gold.
You would think the girls who are lucky enough to bag a customer would be clawing at the unyielding Earth with their bare hands to give the men they are with the most fabulous, memorable, Up To You sessions any man could wish for.
You would also think more customers would open their mouths and mention at least 2-3 things in a negotiation that they expect to get for the money rather than just trying to shave off 500 baht or so from the girls' asking price.
But nope.
Will a two week bar closure notably improve the dynamic for customers? I doubt it.Closuresgoing to make any difference at all. In fact they'll want to charge more when things open again.
SuperBuilder2
03-17-20, 23:33
Some months ago I saw a thread here for the milking table in Bangkok. Thats not really what I am into but when visiting the website I was attracted to the kinky possibilities. I sent a request and after a week I got an answer. Very nice everything was possible as I wanted. That is exciting and I was happy to learn all was setup as my desires imagined.
The ladies came in and it was amazing to see that from the moment they entered the hotel room everything was different than I asked for, discussed and confirmed. Nothing, , literally nothing was as was confirmed. What a disaster, I asked them to leave and that was a happy moment. Not to be bothered with people who do what they do different than you ask for.
Pity also for them as if they would have done what was promised. I definitely would have set more encounters with them. Just avoid them is what I suggest.
Some months ago I saw a thread here for the milking table in Bangkok. Thats not really what I am into but when visiting the website I was attracted to the kinky possibilities. I sent a request and after a week I got an answer. Very nice everything was possible as I wanted. That is exciting and I was happy to learn all was setup as my desires imagined.
The ladies came in and it was amazing to see that from the moment they entered the hotel room everything was different than I asked for, discussed and confirmed. Nothing, , literally nothing was as was confirmed. What a disaster, I asked them to leave and that was a happy moment. Not to be bothered with people who do what they do different than you ask for.
Pity also for them as if they would have done what was promised. I definitely would have set more encounters with them. Just avoid them is what I suggest.Same same: was disgusting, been talk about here a while back, they talk all good stuff, then horrible, would not let me touch them in shower and so on that was the start I also asked them to leave, can't believe their still around.
Closuresgoing to make any difference at all. In fact they'll want to charge more when things open again.Sorry about that. Typing from the phone early in the morning. I meant, closure are not going to make any difference.
Sorry about that. Typing from the phone early in the morning. I meant, closure are not going to make any difference.The remaining girls in town will probably assume they deserve Combat Pay just for hanging around longer.
I told a repeat FL and gogo girl who had been pestering me for days to meet them again that I would love to meet them again but my usa business income was less now, too, so I could not give them 2,500 baht as usual. I wanted to see how they would handle that information.
Neither of them countered with, "Oh, honey, 2,000 is ok." Or, "No problem, just give what you can."
Instead, they just stopped Line messaging me. LOL.
Guys who think extreme downturn conditions will turn better than average looking Thai girls into star providers for rock bottom prices are in for a surprise.
Only one fairly good looking "NO to bb!" girl I met online and briefly in person months ago and forgot all about has Lined me out of the blue with a change of heart about that "NO!" with me because she is freaking out that her regular day job employer is closing in 2 weeks.
That is one out of dozens. And it hasn't happened yet so it could easily be and probably is total bullshit.
InTheClouds
03-18-20, 04:14
Any suggestion of legit massage shop that will end up offering good HJ / BJ? Thanks.
It is not possible to just ask the girl if she fucks without a condom and or if CIP CIM is allowed, accept it's her right to say no and leave it at that.
OK I get the unacceptable bait and switch, agreeing to whatever and then refusing in the room and if the girl knew exactly what she agreed to which incidentally can easily get lost in translation then she deserves what comes her way.
That said this refrain that girls who don't do BB are somehow delinquent and almost should be ostracized is a totally f**ked up monger privileged state of mind.Totally agree! If you have to try to "trick" a girl into not using a condom and not being up front with her at the beginning then you are in the wrong hobby! That's some really sick fucked up shit!
The remaining girls in town will probably assume they deserve Combat Pay just for hanging around longer.
I told a repeat FL and gogo girl who had been pestering me for days to meet them again that I would love to meet them again but my usa business income was less now, too, so I could not give them 2,500 baht as usual. I wanted to see how they would handle that information.
Neither of them countered with, "Oh, honey, 2,000 is ok." Or, "No problem, just give what you can."
Instead, they just stopped Line messaging me. LOL.
Guys who think extreme downturn conditions will turn better than average looking Thai girls into star providers for rock bottom prices are in for a surprise.
Only one fairly good looking "NO to bb!" girl I met online and briefly in person months ago and forgot all about has Lined me out of the blue with a change of heart about that "NO!" with me because she is freaking out that her regular day job employer is closing in 2 weeks.
That is one out of dozens. And it hasn't happened yet so it could easily be and probably is total bullshit.They will not budge. Too much loss of face even if they are the only one that knows. Their self-concept and self-worth is tied to that amount they receive. Many would rather do without than take less. So much for the "market. ".
LittleBigMan
03-18-20, 06:31
They will not budge. Too much loss of face even if they are the only one that knows. Their self-concept and self-worth is tied to that amount they receive. Many would rather do without than take less. So much for the "market. ".I kind of agree and disagree. When it comes to Thai thinking it is just backward as you noted nothing to do with the market. It is like when business is down charging more to make up for it kind like the same thinking now that establishment is closing with zero education in business or budgeting, in general, many just don't get it. I'm not saying guys should undercut them from 2500 to 500 baht sure some would but take something reasonable to make a sacrifice.
Many Thais think we are all rich when we are just like everyone else including Thais, at times in the conversation I joke when I bleed my blood is red just like Thais not green. I hear it all the time when prices go up they say give me more as if it doesn't affect us. Now there are guys like one of my cousins who run around telling every girl that wants to marry him he doesn't have any money yet he is at Starbucks 3 times a day and evening dinners average 2000 baht with these girls which just contradict not having any money!
Streetlooker
03-18-20, 07:28
They will not budge. Too much loss of face even if they are the only one that knows. Their self-concept and self-worth is tied to that amount they receive. Many would rather do without than take less. So much for the "market. ".I just walk if they don't take my offer of less. I say 1000 they want 2500 then might go to 1500 even but I stick to 1000 and walk if they don't want it. I always put them in a take it or leave it situation. Don't bother me if you can; t pay for food for your family or your rent or load for your phone. A few times I have walked by them again 2 hrs later they are still standing there. I give them the 1000 offer again most take it.
Franciscass
03-18-20, 11:05
Just back from a mid afternoon wander from soi's 1 to 7/1 and from 8 to 2. Lots of closed doors but no problem getting a drink on Sukhunvit itself or on 8. Massage shops? , again some closed, no girls outside others but lights on inside and a few rub and tugs I inquired at were still operating albeit with fewer staff. Oddly both Lolita's and Kasalong were shuttered even though they don't strictly come under the massage shop qualification.
It could be months before Covid-19 is brought under control. What sort of economic carnage will it cause? How much longer can the bars stay open with trade so bad? And if bars close and remain closed for a while, will they ever reopen? Are there many bars resilient enough to survive this? Could the bar industry be reshaped forever? The bar industry is facing its darkest hour.But there will always be prostitution.
I just walk if they don't take my offer of less. I say 1000 they want 2500 then might go to 1500 even but I stick to 1000 and walk if they don't want it. I always put them in a take it or leave it situation. Don't bother me if you can; t pay for food for your family or your rent or load for your phone. A few times I have walked by them again 2 hrs later they are still standing there. I give them the 1000 offer again most take it.Yeah but, don't you think if you've given them that offer, they'll give you a lackluster performance in the bedroom?. Mind you, I 100% agree with what you've said. I would never and have not paid no more than 1000. My thing is, it just screws up the whole ambiance for a piece of pussy when it turns into a cringy business proposition.
Franciscass
03-18-20, 14:13
Don't bother me if you can; t pay for food for your family or your rent or load for your phone.You may be on a tight budget but with respect, doesn't it just bother you a little bit that you take advantage of their circumstances. Using that value system some unfortunate wench who hasn't eaten for 3 days should be happy to blow you for a bowl of noodles. I agree what's appropriate varies on circumstances and who and where you venture but why not pay the going rate and not make the girl feel like sad she has to fuck for so little because she needs the money so badly. And please and I am not suggesting you do but please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage I. E. Because she is a poor farm girl from Essan she should be happy to fuck for 8 hours 4 hours whatever for 500 baht because its 200 baht above the minimum wage.
I told a repeat FL and gogo girl who had been pestering me for days to meet them again that I would love to meet them again but my usa business income was less now, too, so I could not give them 2,500 baht as usual. I wanted to see how they would handle that information.
Neither of them countered with, "Oh, honey, 2,000 is ok." Or, "No problem, just give what you can."
Instead, they just stopped Line messaging me. LOL.
Haha no surprise. They would rather take a loss rather than change the price. Though my luck was better, 2 of my regulars agreed to take less earlier this month. So some benefits of this whole bad situation.
Yeah but, don't you think if you've given them that offer, they'll give you a lackluster performance in the bedroom?. Mind you, I 100% agree with what you've said. I would never and have not paid no more than 1000. My thing is, it just screws up the whole ambiance for a piece of pussy when it turns into a cringy business proposition.That's a good perspective. Many would on this forum including me pays a lot more than 1000, because I prefer hot chicks and they're just not so easily available for 1 k. But the market price should not be more than $30-50 in the first place, but tourists have just changed the game.
SuperBuilder2
03-18-20, 23:27
Same same: was disgusting, been talk about here a while back, they talk all good stuff, then horrible, would not let me touch them in shower and so on that was the start I also asked them to leave, can't believe their still around.Feel even bad for you too. Horrible how they are.
HorseTrader
03-19-20, 02:09
You may be on a tight budget but with respect, doesn't it just bother you a little bit that you take advantage of their circumstances. Using that value system some unfortunate wench who hasn't eaten for 3 days should be happy to blow you for a bowl of noodles. I agree what's appropriate varies on circumstances and who and where you venture but why not pay the going rate and not make the girl feel like sad she has to fuck for so little because she needs the money so badly. And please and I am not suggesting you do but please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage I. E. Because she is a poor farm girl from Essan she should be happy to fuck for 8 hours 4 hours whatever for 500 baht because its 200 baht above the minimum wage.+1.
Well stated. Thank you.
BillionBill
03-19-20, 02:41
Just back from a mid afternoon wander from soi's 1 to 7/1 and from 8 to 2. Lots of closed doors but no problem getting a drink on Sukhunvit itself or on 8. Massage shops? , again some closed, no girls outside others but lights on inside and a few rub and tugs I inquired at were still operating albeit with fewer staff. Oddly both Lolita's and Kasalong were shuttered even though they don't strictly come under the massage shop qualification.Please stay healthy and not get infected virus.
CzarNicholas
03-19-20, 03:25
You may be on a tight budget but with respect, doesn't it just bother you a little bit that you take advantage of their circumstances. Using that value system some unfortunate wench who hasn't eaten for 3 days should be happy to blow you for a bowl of noodles. I agree what's appropriate varies on circumstances and who and where you venture but why not pay the going rate and not make the girl feel like sad she has to fuck for so little because she needs the money so badly. And please and I am not suggesting you do but please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage I. E. Because she is a poor farm girl from Essan she should be happy to fuck for 8 hours 4 hours whatever for 500 baht because its 200 baht above the minimum wage.Why is it that some mongers try to rationalize over paying hookers, many will say she can charge whatever the market will bear, or its my money, ill pay what I want.
But then a millisecond the market makes the slightest shift possibly favoring the monger more and you see posts like this, asking for empathy or compassion for the greedy hookers.
Its almost like some mongers act as advocates for higher prices for the hookers? When? All the time.
You may be on a tight budget but with respect, doesn't it just bother you a little bit that you take advantage of their circumstances. Using that value system some unfortunate wench who hasn't eaten for 3 days should be happy to blow you for a bowl of noodles. I agree what's appropriate varies on circumstances and who and where you venture but why not pay the going rate and not make the girl feel like sad she has to fuck for so little because she needs the money so badly. And please and I am not suggesting you do but please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage I. E. Because she is a poor farm girl from Essan she should be happy to fuck for 8 hours 4 hours whatever for 500 baht because its 200 baht above the minimum wage.I'm not sure I have ever met a P4P girl in Thailand who's food for herself, food for her family, a roof over her head or load for her phone really did depended on whether or not I paid her for sex.
I have certainly heard many of them pitch it that way to me. No shortage of that over the years. But whenever I have declined to go along with that pitch due to, say, their refusal to agree to anything close to what I would consider worth my time and money, they still show up on the scene or on my Line days or weeks later looking just as well fed, healthy and smiley as before, no reports of deaths in the family from starvation.
So I guess it never really was down to that dramatic "life or death, rent or no rent, phone load or no phone load but for my money" point after all.
You may be on a tight budget but with respect, doesn't it just bother you a little bit that you take advantage of their circumstances. Using that value system some unfortunate wench who hasn't eaten for 3 days should be happy to blow you for a bowl of noodles. I agree what's appropriate varies on circumstances and who and where you venture but why not pay the going rate and not make the girl feel like sad she has to fuck for so little because she needs the money so badly. And please and I am not suggesting you do but please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage I. E. Because she is a poor farm girl from Essan she should be happy to fuck for 8 hours 4 hours whatever for 500 baht because its 200 baht above the minimum wage.Really? Lookers in the scene are making tall coin. Most of them squander it. Yes, there are a few that save, but very few. And with the bad attitudes some develop along with preferring tourist they can extract more money from as opposed to residents and regulars, and maybe getting a bit less but reliable and steady, they kind of made their own bed, wouldn't you say? Because in a month or two when this is over and the tourists come back they will again avoid our glance, ignore us, etc. So why should we not take advantage when the situation is to our advantage? They do.
Robert Long
03-19-20, 06:55
But there will always be prostitution.If they serve food they can remain open.
Streetlooker
03-19-20, 09:24
You may be on a tight budget but with respect, doesn't it just bother you a little bit that you take advantage of their circumstances. Using that value system some unfortunate wench who hasn't eaten for 3 days should be happy to blow you for a bowl of noodles. I agree what's appropriate varies on circumstances and who and where you venture but why not pay the going rate and not make the girl feel like sad she has to fuck for so little because she needs the money so badly. And please and I am not suggesting you do but please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage I. E. Because she is a poor farm girl from Essan she should be happy to fuck for 8 hours 4 hours whatever for 500 baht because its 200 baht above the minimum wage.I don't take advantage of the poor. I pay them a fair price for their services. Most times it is market value. They have the option to decline my offer and some do. I never put pressure on a girl to take my offer. I offer it they say yes or no and that's that. Whats not understood is how I have the right to refuse her offer also. There is no deal without both party agreements. I have no problems with them saying no to the offer, I just walk away and ask another girl pretty simple. When I say I don't care I mean I can't be held responsible for the state of this world and everyone in it. I am not responsible for the why a girl has to sell herself on the streets to feed her family in the 1st place. I don't have that kind of power to fix all the worlds poverty problems so I remain apathetic to it all. Now If given the power to influence things I could fix it all. BUT of course nobody gives a rats ass what I think so it is what it is.
Streetlooker
03-19-20, 09:31
Yeah but, don't you think if you've given them that offer, they'll give you a lackluster performance in the bedroom?. Mind you, I 100% agree with what you've said. I would never and have not paid no more than 1000. My thing is, it just screws up the whole ambiance for a piece of pussy when it turns into a cringy business proposition.I have had good low priced performances, and bad low priced performances. I have also had good High priced performances and I have had some very bad High price performances. Performance is not a price thing Its a individual girl thing. Besides If I am unfortunate to have picked a Bad Performance girl from the street, Gogo bar, massage parlor, or a escort agent. I am a bit less upset about it if I didn't pay to much.
Franciscass
03-19-20, 14:47
I don't take advantage of the poor. I pay them a fair price for their services. Most times it is market value. They have the option to decline my offer and some do. I never put pressure on a girl to take my offer. I offer it they say yes or no and that's that. Whats not understood is how I have the right to refuse her offer also. There is no deal without both party agreements. I have no problems with them saying no to the offer, I just walk away and ask another girl pretty simple. When I say I don't care I mean I can't be held responsible for the state of this world and everyone in it. I am not responsible for the why a girl has to sell herself on the streets to feed her family in the 1st place. I don't have that kind of power to fix all the worlds poverty problems so I remain apathetic to it all. Now If given the power to influence things I could fix it all. BUT of course nobody gives a rats ass what I think so it is what it is.Sorry Streetwalker I must have picked you up wrong. I thought your modus operandi was to offer a 1000 and stick to it. It's true pussy can be had for a 1000 more likely in Pattaya than Bangkok but I thought you were talking about Thermae where the going rate for short time is 2500 maybe 2000 and even possible on occasion as low as 1500 but 1000, market value it is not!
Also may I say I find your argument nobody is forcing them to do anything they don't want to do somewhat specious, why? Because it doesn't take into account whether there is choice or not I. E. Take what's on offer or go without. I know that sounds a tad OTP but sometimes Streetwalker that's exactly how it is and whether it's our fault they are poor is not the point. I'm not talking overpaying or an NGO attitude just a good man with a good heart paying what is a fair price.
All this discussion of trying to negotiate an air tight agreement that spells out every last detail of the session between the sheets reminds me of the 1987 movie classic "Cherry 2000."
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092746/
For those who haven't seen it, the movie takes place in a dystopian future where robots have largely replaced humans as sexual partners. The few old-fashioned types who still frequent singles' bars are so adversarial that they negotiate a written contract right there in the club before leaving with each other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urS8GmwmeWQ
Yes, that's Laurence Fishburne playing the draftsman.
Sorry Streetwalker I must have picked you up wrong. I thought your modus operandi was to offer a 1000 and stick to it. It's true pussy can be had for a 1000 more likely in Pattaya than Bangkok but I thought you were talking about Thermae where the going rate for short time is 2500 maybe 2000 and even possible on occasion as low as 1500 but 1000, market value it is not!
Also may I say I find your argument nobody is forcing them to do anything they don't want to do somewhat specious, why? Because it doesn't take into account whether there is choice or not I. E. Take what's on offer or go without. I know that sounds a tad OTP but sometimes Streetwalker that's exactly how it is and whether it's our fault they are poor is not the point. I'm not talking overpaying or an NGO attitude just a good man with a good heart paying what is a fair price.I put a very cute Thermae girl out of my room earlier tonight with 1,500 baht and I am sure I way overpaid for what she did. Wish I had only given her 1,000, maybe 500.
Thermae is closed but a few hopefuls still hang out at the door and steps. And by hopefuls I mean the only people standing outside of Thermae at about 9PM tonight were females. No customers other than me and an old Asian dude. Not even ladyboys as I recall. This very cute girl reached out when she saw me and said, "Take me with you. I like you." Hey, I liked her too. We had both seen each other there a few times before and a good vibe had passed between us.
There was no mention of how much, to do what or for how long. And, sorry, but I don't buy this "everybody knows what we're supposed to pay Thermae girls," thing. My opinion is when no money is discussed upfront OR what we will do in the room for her to earn any money at all, whether it's Thermae, on the street, in a go-go bar or in the fanciest, most expensive club in Bangkok, everybody is playing the cards as dealt to them and has no standing to whine about what winds up in their hand, figuratively and literally, in the hope of getting restitution.
A few steps away from the front of Thermae she asked me if I had a condom. I said I might have one in my room but if we must use a condom I will not be a good customer for you because I cannot use a condom, so, nice to meet you, bye. She said oh we can do something else, a blowjob (she was very fluent in English). I asked will she finish me inside her mouth. She said yes.
In the room, she had a beer and after we both showered, I gave her DATY, which she seemed to really enjoy. So much so that after she came a couple of times she moved around to give me a BJ as oral foreplay, smiled and said, "What do you want to do now? Up to you." Great. I said, "Well if it's up to me we boom boom right now." "Ok", she said with an even bigger smile, rolled over onto her back and opened her legs. Lovely. As I moved up to enter her she yelped, "NO! You must put CONDOM!"
As an aside, I don't get this move. So many Thai girls do this. They just heard me say and fully understood that I cannot use a condom and won't use one. We are naked on the bed licking and sucking each other. Nobody has produced a condom, set one aside, has one in his or her teeth, laid one on the bed, on the side table, nothing. They are a all hot and ready, say something like, "Ok, do what you want. Up to you." Then the moment my dick is within 2 inches of their pussy, they remember their supposed to say "NO! Must put CONDOM!" and we lurch into what would most certainly be another of the thousands of 15 minute conversations I've had about condoms while my erection leaves the room if I didn't quickly change the subject. WTF.
Anyway, so I say "Oh, sorry, you said "Do what I want, up to me." So that is what I wanted." "No problem," I said, "we can do that blowjob instead."
She started out ok but then quickly moved into another truly bizarre Thai girl phenomenon of suddenly not understanding what these simple English words mean: "Please don't go so fast. Please go slower."
I swear I must have gently told her, reminded her, repeated and repeated it for her 10-15 times over the course of about 10 minutes to please go slow, don't go fast. At one point early on I even stopped her to specifically clarify that I am not asking her to go slow to make her do this longer, since I suspect they go fast because their past experience tells them the guy cums faster the faster they do it. "I will finish quickly, within 3-4 minutes, if you go slow. But I might never finish even if you do this for 5 hours if you go that fast." You would think that would put the fear of god into them about going fast, which is always much more work for them anyway, instead of slow, which is very easy work for them.
But no.
It didn't make any difference to her. She was on cruise control to go jack hammer fast and not do it slowly. Five more minutes of her grimacing and struggling against fatigue because she was doing it so damn fast while any hope for my having an orgasm was being chased away in terror and I stopped her and said, "Ok, that's all. We're finished. I don't know how else to tell you to go slow and not fast. So, as I said, I will never finish like this. We might as well just stop now." She had been in my room about 30 minutes total.
She took a shower and got dressed. When she saw the overly generous 1,500 baht I left on the table next to her purse, she seemed quite puzzled and confused. She picked it up and examined the two notes at arms distance like they were loaded with coronavirus, looked at me and said, "What is this?" I said, "Honey, if we are ever together again and you give me a slow blowjob like I asked you to do it 10 or 15 times, which will make me finish in just 3-4 minutes, I will be happy to give you 2,500 baht. Or if we boom boom the way I said. But since you only did it too fast and not slow when I asked you so many times to please do it slow, I can only think you didn't WANT me to finish. And I won't pay 2,500 baht for that."
She understood, but she wasn't very happy about it. She must be used to doing the opposite of what her customers want and still getting 2,500, 3,000 or maybe more. But not with me. Typical Thermae girl way of thinking I guess. I opened the door and out she went. Of course, I seriously doubt that girl would ever go with me again. No great loss to me or to her, I suppose.
All this discussion of trying to negotiate an air tight agreement that spells out every last detail of the session between the sheets reminds me of the 1987 movie classic "Cherry 2000."
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092746/
For those who haven't seen it, the movie takes place in a dystopian future where robots have largely replaced humans as sexual partners. The few old-fashioned types who still frequent singles' bars are so adversarial that they negotiate a written contract right there in the club before leaving with each other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urS8GmwmeWQ
Yes, that's Laurence Fishburne playing the draftsman.LOL. Maybe it is all the crap that can and all too often does happen when there is no airtight negotiation and agreement that spells it all out that has inspired the fantasy of creating obedient robots for this purpose in the first place.
My favorite destination in the world for our hobby, Germany, is now a p4p desert. The only country that seems to have a semblance of action right now is Thailand. However, no way I'm leaving home now. It is difficult to foretell when things will improve. Its a wait and see game.
Franciscass
03-20-20, 04:56
LOL. Maybe it is all the crap that can and all too often does happen when there is no airtight negotiation and agreement that spells it all out that has inspired the fantasy of creating obedient robots for this purpose in the first place.In my experience Thai people in most situations will answer yes instead of no as matter of course and odd as it may seem it is more a cultural norm than our definition of lying.
Just a thought but I wonder ET whether it would make sense for you to have a unambiguous written list in Thai / English of your needs instead of the a verbal exchange. Now visually it is almost comic to imagine doing the circuit in Thermae finding a cutie and handing her a piece of paper to read before the deal in done but it just might reduce the too often problem you seem to have back in the room.
My favorite destination in the world for our hobby, Germany, is now a p4p desert. The only country that seems to have a semblance of action right now is Thailand. However, no way I'm leaving home now. It is difficult to foretell when things will improve. Its a wait and see game.Really? Then things must be horrifically bad in Germany. Unless you mean the Thai girls who might still be in town and on Tinder, ThaiCupid, ThaiFriendly, etc. Or maybe in Pattaya.
But these first two nights of closures in the red light districts of Bangkok have been like walking through a ghost town. Virtually no girls on the streets because there are virtually no customers on the streets either. Seriously, the only place I saw a small cluster of girls anywhere right after 9PM or so last night was in front of Thermae. And even in the most dire financial/low customer circumstances these girls have ever seen in their lives, it is highly unlikely any Thermae girl would deliver anything other than the most basic, boring, standard fare that wouldn't be worth near their going rate even at the popular height of the highest High Season.
In fact, the only reason those few Thermae girls still standing around out front are NOT concerned about getting a virus spread by droplet transmission is probably because they are already accustomed to making 2,500 - 3,000 baht without coming in contact with so much as one droplet of anything anyway.
In Pat there's still some action. Many girls have chosen not to go back home. Some bars still "half open" in typical Thai fashion.
What gets on my nerves is hotels on islands not giving discounts, at least not on the booking platforms. Hotels on Islands like Ko Chang and Ko Mak are priced the same as usual for this time of the year. How is that possible with no more flights coming in?
The hotel I'm staying in in Pattaya is three quarters empty. Yet when I show them the Agoda price in a bid to pay cash and avoid the credit card + Agoda fee they say no and quote me a walk-in rate 25% higher. I dont get it.
The entire P4 P industry is about to get live training on how to survive without farang, Chinese / Japanese / Korean money and customers.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1882315/health-certificates-required-of-all-visitors
Goes for the rest of the tourist industry.
Franciscass
03-20-20, 12:03
The entire P4 P industry is about to get live training on how to survive without farang, Chinese / Japanese / Korean money and customers.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1882315/health-certificates-required-of-all-visitors
Goes for the rest of the tourist industry.Seems it extends to Thai citizens. Not untypical there is some confusion whether you require a negative test cert or just a not showing symptoms cert. Also a verification from your embassy is required. Kafka couldn't make this shit up.
Somewhere15
03-20-20, 12:15
In Pat there's still some action. Many girls have chosen not to go back home. Some bars still "half open" in typical Thai fashion.
What gets on my nerves is hotels on islands not giving discounts, at least not on the booking platforms. Hotels on Islands like Ko Chang and Ko Mak are priced the same as usual for this time of the year. How is that possible with no more flights coming in?
The hotel I'm staying in in Pattaya is three quarters empty. Yet when I show them the Agoda price in a bid to pay cash and avoid the credit card + Agoda fee they say no and quote me a walk-in rate 25% higher. I dont get it.Looks like the same as in 2009 when protesters blocked the airport for many weeks. On that time they also didn't give adjusted prices, not in hotel industry and not in the entertainment.
Shit just got real here!
https://covidtracker.5lab.co/en
In Pat there's still some action. Many girls have chosen not to go back home. Some bars still "half open" in typical Thai fashion.
What gets on my nerves is hotels on islands not giving discounts, at least not on the booking platforms. Hotels on Islands like Ko Chang and Ko Mak are priced the same as usual for this time of the year. How is that possible with no more flights coming in?
The hotel I'm staying in in Pattaya is three quarters empty. Yet when I show them the Agoda price in a bid to pay cash and avoid the credit card + Agoda fee they say no and quote me a walk-in rate 25% higher. I dont get it.Its a question of who is desperate. If the customer is desperate for a holiday in these extraordinary situation, he needs to pay more. Both the girls and hotel may think, if they serve you in this crisis when others have shut shop, they might need extra remuneration. They run the risks. But on other hand, if the hotel / girl is in financial crisis and is extremely desperate, then we can see reducing in fee in normal / extraordinary situation. I see a lot of posts assuming the WG's are desperate and hence there would be price reduction. But till now I see only disappointment in most posts.
In Pat there's still some action. Many girls have chosen not to go back home. Some bars still "half open" in typical Thai fashion.
What gets on my nerves is hotels on islands not giving discounts, at least not on the booking platforms. Hotels on Islands like Ko Chang and Ko Mak are priced the same as usual for this time of the year. How is that possible with no more flights coming in?
The hotel I'm staying in in Pattaya is three quarters empty. Yet when I show them the Agoda price in a bid to pay cash and avoid the credit card + Agoda fee they say no and quote me a walk-in rate 25% higher. I dont get it.And offering discounts at this moment wouldn't result in rush of customers because no one is travelling. Most of the countries have banned international flights. I wouldn't be surprised if they implement domestic lockdown. Whats the use of offering a discount when no one would come? Its better for them to shut shop rather than have very few customers. When things limp back to normalcy, we might see some discounted prices for airlines / hotels and keep the fingers crossed for discounted WG prices: 0. Just my two cents.
Has anyone had issue with visa on arrival / evisa after you landed in Thailand?
Reason for asking is because I had an issue a week before. Right on the day of my travel visa on arrival had been stopped.
We raised priority e-visa from Thai embassy and was given. Airline checked and confirmed good for travel.
After we reached Bangkok, we were told visa on arrival including evisa is stopped. We were detailed and were sent back on next flight back home.
We were treated pretty bad with people who didn't even understand basic English.
Has anyone had any luck in getting any kind of refund from airline or embassy or anyone in similar situation?
We had both to and fro ticket which was adjusted for our travel back.
Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
Looks like the same as in 2009 when protesters blocked the airport for many weeks. On that time they also didn't give adjusted prices, not in hotel industry and not in the entertainment.There will be stiff competition once things get normal. To fill up plane airlines will reduce fares and hotels will do the same to fill rooms. Till then they need to make money to function from existing customers.
As I understand it, the barrier to entry into Thailand is:
1. need health certificate within 72 hours of flight departure that you are clear of Covid19.
2. need medical insurance to cover covid19 and $100 k usd medical coverage.
3. mandatory quarantine for 2 weeks at novitel.
Is anyone still planning on traveling there once these go into effect, especially with everything being dead right now?
HorseTrader
03-21-20, 00:39
As I understand it, the barrier to entry into Thailand is:
1. need health certificate within 72 hours of flight departure that you are clear of Covid19.
2. need medical insurance to cover covid19 and $100 k usd medical coverage.
3. mandatory quarantine for 2 weeks at novitel.
Is anyone still planning on traveling there once these go into effect, especially with everything being dead right now?Yep, that seems about right. Here are the rules per the Thai embassy. Not easy. I have no temptation to consider another trip until many things change.
https://thaiembdc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/March-19-2020_CAAT_EN-2.pdf
The Soi Cowboy, Sukhumvit, Nana Plaza areas were practically desolate last night after 11pm. There was a tiny sprinkling of small bars open here and there, none of the usual big names mentioned on these threads, apparently still open on the premise that they serve food too or, more to the point I suppose, are not packed tight with customers.
At that hour I only saw a few street girls, none if whom struck me as above a 6 in terms of looks, although it was difficult to know for sure with the streets as dark as they were.
It was creepy enough walking around my usual route with so little activity going on. I am sure it will be even creepier after a few more days of NO INCOME in the pockets of the rare bad guys these kind if tourist areas can attract even during good times, if you get my drift.
I was only out then because I had walked my latest regular non P4P girlfriend to bts Nana to bid farewell after a day and evening together. I would not consider sending a girl on her way alone on these streets at night these days, carrying a purse, obviously having left a hotel or apartment complex after a profitable "date" with a tourist or expat unless she was a hardened, experienced, street smart pro. And even then I would be inclined to at least make sure she gets into an auto taxi or onto a motorbike taxi safely enough.
In this case, my girl was a just turned 22 year old cutie who works as a professional model I met and began dating over a month ago. Looks young enough to get a lot of "Junior Miss" type fashion gigs, one of which she insisted I come along to watch yesterday. Comes from an upper middle class Thai family. Mom and Dad bought her a condo in the Phra Kanong area and she is not yet comfortable to go missing from there when Mom calls after midnight to check on how she's doing. Hense, the 11pm return to her place instead of sleeping over at mine.
She doesn't need the money but I still give her a token 500 - 1000 baht "for travel" to and from my apartment after we shatter the Social Distance virus transmission prevention recommendations having Real Sex because I think that helps to keep them from assuming more non pay-related emotional commitment than I am interested in juggling and dealing with for now.
Streetlooker
03-21-20, 15:45
Sorry Streetwalker I must have picked you up wrong. I thought your modus operandi was to offer a 1000 and stick to it. It's true pussy can be had for a 1000 more likely in Pattaya than Bangkok but I thought you were talking about Thermae where the going rate for short time is 2500 maybe 2000 and even possible on occasion as low as 1500 but 1000, market value it is not!
Also may I say I find your argument nobody is forcing them to do anything they don't want to do somewhat specious, why? Because it doesn't take into account whether there is choice or not I. E. Take what's on offer or go without. I know that sounds a tad OTP but sometimes Streetwalker that's exactly how it is and whether it's our fault they are poor is not the point. I'm not talking overpaying or an NGO attitude just a good man with a good heart paying what is a fair price.I never monger the Thermae anymore. I know I am not going to get anything below 2000 there. The girls have been over priced there for 15 yrs at least. I offer the price of the shop I am shopping in. My 1000 offer goes to the Nana sign and the odd Soi side of suk street girls and I get at least a 75% turn down rate. BUT its ok I am not bothered by a rejection. Eventually I find a doable girl that will take the offer. I only offer to girls that fit my looks preference also. I see some oldies and uglies out there that I am sure would take my 1000 offer, BUT I don't stop for them. When you are talking Force I am saying I personally am not forcing a girl to take my offer. IF she is forced by another (her Pimp) to take only a set amount that's not on me. She simply turns me down and I move on pretty easy.
Franciscass
03-22-20, 07:36
I never monger the Thermae anymore. I know I am not going to get anything below 2000 there. The girls have been over priced there for 15 yrs at least. I offer the price of the shop I am shopping in. My 1000 offer goes to the Nana sign and the odd Soi side of suk street girls and I get at least a 75% turn down rate. BUT its ok I am not bothered by a rejection. Eventually I find a doable girl that will take the offer. I only offer to girls that fit my looks preference also. I see some oldies and uglies out there that I am sure would take my 1000 offer, BUT I don't stop for them. When you are talking Force I am saying I personally am not forcing a girl to take my offer. IF she is forced by another (her Pimp) to take only a set amount that's not on me. She simply turns me down and I move on pretty easy.I get it Streetlooker, you have your price and where you monger its available at that price, no issues, good luck and stay safe.
CzarNicholas
03-23-20, 07:42
You may be on a tight budget but with respect, doesn't it just bother you a little bit that you take advantage of their circumstances. Using that value system some unfortunate wench who hasn't eaten for 3 days should be happy to blow you for a bowl of noodles. I agree what's appropriate varies on circumstances and who and where you venture but why not pay the going rate and not make the girl feel like sad she has to fuck for so little because she needs the money so badly. And please and I am not suggesting you do but please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage I. E. Because she is a poor farm girl from Essan she should be happy to fuck for 8 hours 4 hours whatever for 500 baht because its 200 baht above the minimum wage.Please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage.
You can't take the most reasonable reference point reasonable people could use and dismiss it as ridiculous.
I will posit that hooking is a much easier "job" than say standing on ones feet as a mall clerk or fast food or being a maid cleaning shitty toilets all day, changing jizz soaked sheets etc.
Why else do so many attractive girls around the world suck dick? Most will tell you "EAZY money" they are lazy and it is easy, I won't dare call it work.
I think hookers should make much less than other low skill occupations, not more.
There are many countries where illiterate girls are making more than many physicians or dds or attorneys.
Franciscass
03-23-20, 10:00
1) Girls are leaving town in their thousands.
2) Soi 7/1 best place to find some action and a beer.
3) Most dangerous place on the planet is an immigration office.
Pinaypounder
03-23-20, 22:29
I have had good low priced performances, and bad low priced performances. I have also had good High priced performances and I have had some very bad High price performances. Performance is not a price thing Its a individual girl thing. Besides If I am unfortunate to have picked a Bad Performance girl from the street, Gogo bar, massage parlor, or a escort agent. I am a bit less upset about it if I didn't pay to much.Truer words have rarely been spoken always easier to tip UP than fight down for a shit show!
PP.
Please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage.
You can't take the most reasonable reference point reasonable people could use and dismiss it as ridiculous.
I will posit that hooking is a much easier "job" than say standing on ones feet as a mall clerk or fast food or being a maid cleaning shitty toilets all day, changing jizz soaked sheets etc.
Why else do so many attractive girls around the world suck dick? Most will tell you "EAZY money" they are lazy and it is easy, I won't dare call it work.
I think hookers should make much less than other low skill occupations, not more.
There are many countries where illiterate girls are making more than many physicians or dds or attorneys.I agree with most of what you write here, although I would not characterize promoting the alternative approach as childish. Maybe as too soft a touch for girls who think they have us by the balls and might be right. LOL. Literally.
Good looking women willing to trade sex for support have always and will always find a way, with or without my help. And whatever they do for that kind of money, you can bet they see it as a lot easier than what their unattractive sisters do for a living.
Unless we're talking about approaching grisly, destitute street beggars for 500 baht Long Times. My greater concern then would be one might take me up on it.
But I am definitely not inclined to pay FLs more (or less) based on the ambience of the venue I happened to meet them in. I prefer to pay them based on the level and quality of service they gave me. For me, a True GFE/Real Sex with an above average looking Thai girl whether I meet her in Insanity, Thermae or the dark downside of Soi 4 is worth around 2,000 - 2,500. I would feel I got a pretty good deal with such a girl for 1,500 baht and that I'd overpaid for 3,000 baht, both of which have happened off and on, of course.
What I pay, if anything, when things go badly whether because I'd been obviously scammed or it falls in that grey area where it could simply have been her ineptitude has to be determined on a case by case basis. I'd put a girl out with no more than 200 baht taxi fare who got naked in my room then started changing the agreement to something unacceptable to me in an obvious scam attempt even if she was the hottest, most popular FL in Mixx or whatever.
Franciscass
03-24-20, 09:30
I agree with most of what you write here, although I would not characterize promoting the alternative approach as childish. Maybe as too soft a touch for girls who think they have us by the balls and might be right. LOL. Literally.
Good looking women willing to trade sex for support have always and will always find a way, with or without my help. And whatever they do for that kind of money, you can bet they see it as a lot easier than what their unattractive sisters do for a living.
Unless we're talking about approaching grisly, destitute street beggars for 500 baht Long Times. My greater concern then would be one might take me up on it.
But I am definitely not inclined to pay FLs more (or less) based on the ambience of the venue I happened to meet them in. I prefer to pay them based on the level and quality of service they gave me. For me, a True GFE/Real Sex with an above average looking Thai girl whether I meet her in Insanity, Thermae or the dark downside of Soi 4 is worth around 2,000 - 2,500. I would feel I got a pretty good deal with such a girl for 1,500 baht and that I'd overpaid for 3,000 baht, both of which have happened off and on, of course.
What I pay, if anything, when things go badly whether because I'd been obviously scammed or it falls in that grey area where it could simply have been her ineptitude has to be determined on a case by case basis. I'd put a girl out with no more than 200 baht taxi fare who got naked in my room then started changing the agreement to something unacceptable to me in an obvious scam attempt even if she was the hottest, most popular FL in Mixx or whatever.That's pretty much my price guideline also ET but some of our esteemed fellow co members feel this is way too much. They feel the girls, (hookers, WG) who take care of our needs are such worthless lazy illiterates that even the minimum wage of 300 baht a day is too much for their time. I also understand your consideration that service levels and delivery of what has been agreed should be a factor in what is paid. While we may not see eye to eye ET in what you need from the girls as best practice I agree with how you handle these situations. As always stay safe.
I just got a panicky Line message from a regular GF about this. So I did a Google Search and this came up:
Thailand to impose curfew, declare state of emergency after cabinet meeting; government sources say.
March 24, 2020
https://www.thaienquirer.com/9957/thailand-to-impose-curfew-declare-state-of-emergency-after-cabinet-meeting/
For whatever reason, every link I found for it was glitchy and unstable. TIT
Mr Enternational
03-24-20, 09:59
Please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage.
Why else do so many attractive girls around the world suck dick? Most will tell you "EAZY money" they are lazy and it is easy, I won't dare call it work.Many guys choose to ignore that truth. Talking to a chick I know here in Pattaya yesterday. She said she was tired of doing freelance. I suggested she do something else then. She said like what. I said any other normal job that people do.
She said no that is okay. I like doing this. She didn't say anything about how poor she was, anything about any circumstances she was in, anything about other jobs don't pay enough. She basically said I am not going to stop doing this easy ass shit.
I knew one chick working at the gogo and she told me she was doing it for the fast money. She said she already bought land back home and she was saving up to put a house on the land. She said as soon as she got that money she was going to move back home and start a business and chill. She finally did it and has not been back to Pattaya. I have met several chicks that have done the exact same thing. Again, nothing about circumstances.
Being here over the years I have seen chicks go from normal jobs to being hookers, and from hookers to doing normal jobs, and doing both at the same time. But I never see the girls making the excuses for themselves that some mongers make for them.
Robert Long
03-24-20, 14:17
1) Girls are leaving town in their thousands.
2) Soi 7/1 best place to find some action and a beer.
3) Most dangerous place on the planet is an immigration office.Over 1000 massage shops in Patong, 5 to 10 girls per shop, gone over night. Everything closed. You can find an FL and a sex massage if you look and ask. They take you to their room or yours.
Stay home don't come to Phuket.
RL.
I never monger the Thermae anymore. I know I am not going to get anything below 2000 there. The girls have been over priced there for 15 yrs at least. I offer the price of the shop I am shopping in. My 1000 offer goes to the Nana sign and the odd Soi side of suk street girls and I get at least a 75% turn down rate. BUT its ok I am not bothered by a rejection. Eventually I find a doable girl that will take the offer. I only offer to girls that fit my looks preference also. I see some oldies and uglies out there that I am sure would take my 1000 offer, BUT I don't stop for them. When you are talking Force I am saying I personally am not forcing a girl to take my offer. IF she is forced by another (her Pimp) to take only a set amount that's not on me. She simply turns me down and I move on pretty easy.A bit off subject but still cool. I lived in BK during the Vietnam War. Lowly airman but did have cheap apartment that I shared with a buddy. There was a coffee shop (not very far from the Ewarwan Hotel (probably spelled wrong) where the TV personalities and models and upper class went after normal work hours. We didn't go there but very seldom, too expensive, but the scenery was fantastic! One night with a buddy, he saw this 10+++ girl and started talking to her. He was trying to take her home but she was joking with him and told him that he couldn't afford her! And he sure didn't have a months salary to give her. Finally he told her that he would give her everything he had and proceeded to empty his wallet and empty his pockets and put it all on the table in front of her. It wasn't anywhere close to want she was asking, but she grabbed his hand and led the poor guy away. He had stars in his eyes for days!
Anyway, if you have enough game you might get some real bargains and some great surprises!
Steve 9696
03-24-20, 16:09
A bit off subject but still cool. I lived in BK during the Vietnam War. Lowly airman but did have cheap apartment that I shared with a buddy. There was a coffee shop (not very far from the Ewarwan Hotel (probably spelled wrong) where the TV personalities and models and upper class went after normal work hours. We didn't go there but very seldom, too expensive, but the scenery was fantastic! One night with a buddy, he saw this 10+++ girl and started talking to her. He was trying to take her home but she was joking with him and told him that he couldn't afford her! And he sure didn't have a months salary to give her. Finally he told her that he would give her everything he had and proceeded to empty his wallet and empty his pockets and put it all on the table in front of her. It wasn't anywhere close to want she was asking, but she grabbed his hand and led the poor guy away. He had stars in his eyes for days!
Anyway, if you have enough game you might get some real bargains and some great surprises!I don't know about others, but with all the doom and gloom and lack of anything happening IRL, I personally welcome old war stories about girls of the past or recent conquests. Beats the fuck out of silence and corona virus updates! 😋.
A cute young friend I met on TF a few years ago told me her rather high end hotel is open, as are the beaches. But she's not a P4 P gal, amd considers me just a client for the hotel not for her. Perhaps if she hadn't met my wife already.
I'm reluctant to even fly domestically now because of the chance that the state of emergency shuts down flights.
Over 1000 massage shops in Patong, 5 to 10 girls per shop, gone over night. Everything closed. You can find an FL and a sex massage if you look and ask. They take you to their room or yours.
Stay home don't come to Phuket.
RL.
A cute young friend I met on TF a few years ago told me her rather high end hotel is open, as are the beaches. But she's not a P4 P gal, amd considers me just a client for the hotel not for her. Perhaps if she hadn't met my wife already.
I'm reluctant to even fly domestically now because of the chance that the state of emergency shuts down flights.Got kicked off the beach while eating my take away last night!
https://thet haiger.com/coronavirus/curfew-on-tourists-foreign-and-thai-in-phuket
Got kicked off the beach while eating my take away last night!
https://thet haiger.com/coronavirus/curfew-on-tourists-foreign-and-thai-in-phuketRio, the link doesn't work.
Got kicked off the beach while eating my take away last night!
https://thet haiger.com/coronavirus/curfew-on-tourists-foreign-and-thai-in-phuketWow, that's more than inconvenient. I will write to her and ask again. The new domestic travel restrictions might prevent me from going anyway.
That's pretty much my price guideline also ET but some of our esteemed fellow co members feel this is way too much. They feel the girls, (hookers, WG) who take care of our needs are such worthless lazy illiterates that even the minimum wage of 300 baht a day is too much for their time. I also understand your consideration that service levels and delivery of what has been agreed should be a factor in what is paid. While we may not see eye to eye ET in what you need from the girls as best practice I agree with how you handle these situations. As always stay safe.I guess what is happening in my circle now is pretty much an example of "what the market bill bear" and, in a related way, "building better customer relations to survive during difficult times." Although I suspect you might strongly disagree with that latter way of putting it, Franciscass. And I understand your feelings about it. But this is what is happening right now, try as I might to overcome my baser instincts on the matter:
I have gotten dozens of out of the blue Line messages from previous P4P and non P4P contacts lately. Seriously, I have more pussy and mouths being thrown at me now than at any time over the past several years. And several new ones as well, regular girls off the dating sites whose mall shops and restaurants have been shuttered. Girls who have never freelanced or step foot on lower Sukhumvit from Soi 4 to Soi Cowboy.
Well, it turns out I can help 4-5 different girls per week earn enough money for them to cover their rent, electric, phone, public transportation and food in a month.
Guess which girls get the highest priority for this great good luck of an ongoing monthly survival income during these difficult times. Yep. The ones who kept their pussy shaved and delivered BBFS+CIP and BBBJ+CIM+Swallow to me. And it's the same requirement with any new ladies who wants a spot in the dugout and a chance at bat now or down the road.
The ones who gave me shit about any of that? Sorry, I've got no time for them. And no money for them. I suppose they can go to the airport and wait for the next incoming flight full of compliant potential customers who don't care about those kinds of things to arrive. It has turned out at least for now that decision on their part in the past has come back to bite them hard. According to their reaction to my declining the offer to see them now, that is.
Yes, I understand many will think this is a tough, unsympathetic approach to deciding which ones I will help with my time and my (also not exactly thriving all that great) money these days. But I really can't think of a way for me to contribute to the general economic welfare in this regard that will keep me contributing for a very long and with a proper attitude about it.
Franciscass
03-27-20, 10:17
I guess what is happening in my circle now is pretty much an example of "what the market bill bear" and, in a related way, "building better customer relations to survive during difficult times." Although I suspect you might strongly disagree with that latter way of putting it, Franciscass. And I understand your feelings about it. But this is what is happening right now, try as I might to overcome my baser instincts on the matter:
I have gotten dozens of out of the blue Line messages from previous P4P and non P4P contacts lately. Seriously, I have more pussy and mouths being thrown at me now than at any time over the past several years. And several new ones as well, regular girls off the dating sites whose mall shops and restaurants have been shuttered. Girls who have never freelanced or step foot on lower Sukhumvit from Soi 4 to Soi Cowboy.
Well, it turns out I can help 4-5 different girls per week earn enough money for them to cover their rent, electric, phone, public transportation and food in a month.
Guess which girls get the highest priority for this great good luck of an ongoing monthly survival income during these difficult times. Yep. The ones who kept their pussy shaved and delivered BBFS+CIP and BBBJ+CIM+Swallow to me. And it's the same requirement with any new ladies who wants a spot in the dugout and a chance at bat now or down the road..Yup I imagine this is the holy grail for you ET and as you say while in my opinion your needs are not best practice and to be clear more so for you rather than the girls (you having regular testing, vasectomy etc posing little risk to the girls) you're living the dream.
I am sticking to the girls I know who are still in Bangkok. Some changes though no kissing and limiting close up face time to a minimum. Makes for some odd shagging routines and sometimes it has us both laughing our heads off.
Like you while obviously not altogether altruistic it's nice to feel I am helping out and I usually throw in a little more than usual. On top I have been helping a few regulars who have gone home and while it's not a lot their genuine appreciation is indeed heartwarming even if the tight fisted peel an orange in their pocket skeptics believe I am being taking for a idiot.
Stay safe and healthy.
HorseTrader
03-27-20, 19:50
I have gotten dozens of out of the blue Line messages from previous P4P and non P4P contacts lately.
Probably the same for many of us. I live in USA and over the last 2 weeks I've heard from 8 Thai girls, two of them date back to 2017. I chatted with the first 4, ignored the last 4. The first 4 wanted to see me, but 3 backed off when I told them I was away from Thailand (they all should have known). Only 1 asked directly for money.
Its a new world for everybody. The Thai P4 P and tourism industry is hurting as bad as any industry in the world.
Yup I imagine this is the holy grail for you ET and as you say while in my opinion your needs are not best practice and to be clear more so for you rather than the girls (you having regular testing, vasectomy etc posing little risk to the girls) you're living the dream.
I am sticking to the girls I know who are still in Bangkok. Some changes though no kissing and limiting close up face time to a minimum. Makes for some odd shagging routines and sometimes it has us both laughing our heads off.
Like you while obviously not altogether altruistic it's nice to feel I am helping out and I usually throw in a little more than usual. On top I have been helping a few regulars who have gone home and while it's not a lot their genuine appreciation is indeed heartwarming even if the tight fisted peel an orange in their pocket skeptics believe I am being taking for a idiot.
Stay safe and healthy.I can't say this situation has increased the number or percentage of new girls agreeing upfront to BBFS+CIP or a full and complete BJ for me. Not a Holy Grail event for me at all. I have only added a couple of new must see girls to my contact list who have done so, one minus the Swallow. Not a big issue or total deal killer by any means. I'll probably get around to her eventually. She just didn't make it to the Highest Priority list, that's all.
That kind of addition to the stable is no more than it normally was for me pre Covid-19. I am really focusing on the best girls for me who were already being repeated as favorites over the past few months. One goes back a couple of years of fairly regular repeats.
And then there are my 2-3 regular, non P4P girlfriends who, not the least surprising, are still refusing my money offers even though their regular jobs in shops, restaurants, malls and on photo shoots have been seriously negatively effected as well.
I get a sprinkling of messages from nearly forgotten girls in their outlying provinces now, good girls for me but who I haven't sessioned with for more than a year, who ask for "200 baht for food for my kids." Not mine. Lol. I'll transfer a bit more than that even though it is very likely I am one of 10-15 previous customers they contact for this every other day or whatever. No matter. There is a lasting heart-felt effect for getting relatively hassle-fee True GFE/Real Sex with these ladies that ought not go unappreciated even after the direct transaction was completed. Maybe I will taper off on that response over the next couple of weeks.
Probably the same for many of us. I live in USA and over the last 2 weeks I've heard from 8 Thai girls, two of them date back to 2017. I chatted with the first 4, ignored the last 4. The first 4 wanted to see me, but 3 backed off when I told them I was away from Thailand (they all should have known). Only 1 asked directly for money.
Its a new world for everybody. The Thai P4 P and tourism industry is hurting as bad as any industry in the world.And one has to wonder what the lasting effects will be. Will there be new regulations for venues? Will they use this outbreak as an excuse to crack down for good on P4 P? It remains to be seen. It certainly has changed my behavior. I've avoided the oilies for a few weeks even before things ramped up in Thailand as I knew many of the customers were Korean, Hong Kongers, etc. Also was not to keen on ST hotels then either. And as one with a sig other at home; my place is off. Been a long time without for me so far. Think it will be longer.
Franciscass
03-28-20, 05:47
And one has to wonder what the lasting effects will be. Will there be new regulations for venues? Will they use this outbreak as an excuse to crack down for good on P4 P? It remains to be seen. It certainly has changed my behavior. I've avoided the oilies for a few weeks even before things ramped up in Thailand as I knew many of the customers were Korean, Hong Kongers, etc. Also was not to keen on ST hotels then either. And as one with a sig other at home; my place is off. Been a long time without for me so far. Think it will be longer.That's the most frustrating part, when does it get back to normal and what will that normal look like.
China and South Korea are the best exemplars of countries who are over their peaks but I keep hear more and more chatter about a so called second wave.
Personally I feel it will be at least mid-May earliest here before restrictions are lifted and then it will no more than a gradual easing.
I have to say this self-isolation is beginning to drag. While nowhere close to the reality I get a semblance of what doing time must feel like.
LittleBigMan
03-28-20, 09:34
That's the most frustrating part, when does it get back to normal and what will that normal look like.
China and South Korea are the best exemplars of countries who are over their peaks but I keep hear more and more chatter about a so called second wave.
Personally I feel it will be at least mid-May earliest here before restrictions are lifted and then it will no more than a gradual easing.
I have to say this self-isolation is beginning to drag. While nowhere close to the reality I get a semblance of what doing time must feel like.I keep in contact with my nephew who works in the Health Department. When it comes to China and South Korea, they seem to have containment but without a vaccine or a real solution how to treat the virus at this time although a number of alternatives if they open things back up business, as usual, you might be back to square one? The reference has come up "second wave" the experts believe as warmer weather ahead like Flu the number start to drop but like Flu each year it comes back the hope by then there is a vaccine?
As for jail or doing time, have you done any well I have I can tell you "self-isolation" is nothing compared to doing time " self " means you aren't being forced if you cut gas you can open the window, doing time if Bubba your roommate does you got to suffer it out there is no window or anywhere to run to?
Mr Enternational
03-28-20, 09:52
As for jail or doing time, have you done any well I have I can tell you "self-isolation" is nothing compared to doing time " self " means you aren't being forcedI am about to take this chick home and go get me something to eat. Never heard someone doing time be able to say any of that.
Another chick told me that she was bored being inside. I told her she never goes out to do anything anyway, so what is the damn difference? She had to agree. She acts like she goes out to play golf or something on the regular.
Franciscass
03-28-20, 10:35
I keep in contact with my nephew who works in the Health Department. When it comes to China and South Korea, they seem to have containment but without a vaccine or a real solution how to treat the virus at this time although a number of alternatives if they open things back up business, as usual, you might be back to square one? The reference has come up "second wave" the experts believe as warmer weather ahead like Flu the number start to drop but like Flu each year it comes back the hope by then there is a vaccine?
As for jail or doing time, have you done any well I have I can tell you "self-isolation" is nothing compared to doing time " self " means you aren't being forced if you cut gas you can open the window, doing time if Bubba your roommate does you got to suffer it out there is no window or anywhere to run to?Hi LittleBigMan,
No experts of any standing are saying warm weather will dispose of the virus. While respiratory in nature there the resemblance to a flu ends. That said as this is a novel strain and is not yet totally understood it is a possibility.
China while not back to where it was has experienced no local infections for about a week, those there are are imported, mostly returning Chinese students from the UK and US. Even in Wuhan they are allowing movement of people and stores are reopening.
A vaccine is by most expert opinion 18 months way I. E. Summer or autumn of 2021. More likely there will be some treatment before then, one possibility is the cloning of antibodies from recovered infected people.
As to self-isolation giving a semblance of what doing time is, of course it's nowhere near. I am free so essentially there is no comparison and I get it for anybody who has done time it is a nonsense to suggest I have the slightest idea what it is like. So my apologizes to anybody that has ever been banged up and taken offence, none was intended.
Franciscass
03-28-20, 10:38
I am about to take this chick home and go get me something to eat. Never heard someone doing time be able to say any of that.
Another chick told me that she was bored being inside. I told her she never goes out to do anything anyway, so what is the damn difference? She had to agree. She acts like she goes out to play golf or something on the regular.Mr E you are one of a kind, and I got to admit "you can't keep a good man down' suits you to a tee.
LittleBigMan
03-28-20, 12:21
I am about to take this chick home and go get me something to eat. Never heard someone doing time be able to say any of that.
Another chick told me that she was bored being inside. I told her she never goes out to do anything anyway, so what is the damn difference? She had to agree. She acts like she goes out to play golf or something on the regular.You are right with these chicks it is all mental, they haven't lost a damn thing except a reduction in their paycheck which is way different than losing your freedom. We come from the West we have so much of it we take it for granted so a bit of isolation is nothing as far as I'm concern. When you are locked up can't even go out and smell the air you don't realize what you lost until you are let out and walk out the door the fresh air! Even today I haven't forgotten the first time I was locked up the metal bars door slammed and made contact on the other end.
Although I live here before this I never worried about getting sex there were months I went without the extras because it was available everywhere and anytime now with much of the door being close I've noticed getting a bit hornier? Just the other day I was sitting right outside KFC with my brother and cousins there was a chick selling cosmetics across from where we were sitting face was an average older lady but she was wearing a mini-skirt, heels, legs not really shapely all I could think about was having those legs on my shoulder while I went to town.
Mr Enternational
03-28-20, 14:41
Although I live here before this I never worried about getting sex there were months I went without the extras because it was available everywhere and anytime now with much of the door being close I've noticed getting a bit hornier?What door is being closed? If anything the doggie door has been replaced by an airplane hangar door. And it is wide ass open. I am so tired of chicks. And every day I plan to spend alone a new one pops up.
I was minding my own business last night at 1 am when a chick as cute as a button hit me up on Thai Friendly. I had told all of my chicks (free and paid) that I just wanted to be alone tonight and had made it half way through the night alone. But when I saw her I said shit, I might be dead tomorrow. I better get this pussy now! I told her I would be there in 10 minutes.
Before taking her home today I told her to tell her roommate I was about to bring her home and the roommate should be ready to come back with me. She said really? Now I have never seen the roommate or anything, but you know I like to talk shit.
So I dropped her off and handed her 1000 baht. She wanted to put the helmet in the back compartment. I told her to just keep it and give it to her roommate when she comes out. She said are you serious? She said you can take any girl, but you can not take my friend. I said why not? You have money now. You do not want your friend to get money too? She said no. I took the helmet from her and drove off laughing. She hit me later saying she missed me.
Its no brainier that many P4P girls are messaging now a days for money "urgently".
One problem I have is this:
If I try stay in touch with girls during my almost a year of absence from Thailand, girls pester for $ as soon as you message them more than a couple of times a year.
If you don't message them, they change numbers in a year and I have to rebuild my harem. Obviously this becomes too much work during the few days of holidays when I am Thailand.
How do guys manage to stay high and dry and still have enough contacts to depend upon?
Crocodilexp
03-28-20, 20:15
And one has to wonder what the lasting effects will be. Will there be new regulations for venues? Will they use this outbreak as an excuse to crack down for good on P4 P? It remains to be seen.Impossible to know, but even before the outbreak, Farang oriented P4 P in Thailand has been a pale remnant of its former self, with most of the joy sucked out, no GFE, high prices and rather unappealing women (albeit in relatively high numbers). I feel that providers are bottom-of-the-bottom of Thai society; for instance, it was very hard to find a non-skanky girl with no tattoos or those ridiculous eyebrows. Demographics are not favorable either, with average age in Thailand now being over 40.
For the last few years, I've actually had more fun (on the low end) in unlikely places like Malaysia, Laos or Hong Kong than I did in Bangkok or Pattaya. Sure, the scene is bigger in Thailand and a few specialist places like Tulip or BJ bars offer a service not available elsewhere, but there's zero excitement; most of the decent girls have been around for 10+ years, and slowly declining in looks and dwindling in numbers.
For a long time, Thailand's P4 P scene has been living on fumes of its previous reputation. Even once Covid-19 is under control, up until a vaccine is widely deployed (mid-2021 at the earliest), we're not getting back to normal. Sex workers will still be a major vector of infection. International travel will be uncertain, with various frequently changing restrictions. Even without a big official crackdown, I think there's a fair chance this crisis will push the industry over the edge.
Impossible to know, but even before the outbreak, Farang oriented P4 P in Thailand has been a pale remnant of its former self, with most of the joy sucked out, no GFE, high prices and rather unappealing women (albeit in relatively high numbers). I feel that providers are bottom-of-the-bottom of Thai society; for instance, it was very hard to find a non-skanky girl with no tattoos or those ridiculous eyebrows. Demographics are not favorable either, with average age in Thailand now being over 40.
1000% agree. Thailand's p4 p scene has mostly 5-7's now. I haven't seen a single 7+ (very subjective and it keeps changing) in gogos or in any agency. 98% in massage shops are 5 at best. But I could have compromised but cost is also high. I have 2 regular who I consider 7 and I give them 3000 for couple of hour.
From what I have heard, the 8's and 9's who decide to do p4 p for easy money, usually don't meet tourists and prefer to have clientele of Thais and asians. And their fee is around 20-25 k per hour. Now I have only heard this and can't be sure.
Looks wise I enjoy S. Korea and Japan more in east asia, even though it's verg hard to get top layer of girls if you're not asian. But still the ones I get to meet was better than usual gogo girls.
Big Boss Man
03-29-20, 00:15
1000% agree. Thailand's p4 p scene has mostly 5-7's now. I haven't seen a single 7+ (very subjective and it keeps changing) in gogos or in any agency. 98% in massage shops are 5 at best. But I could have compromised but cost is also high. I have 2 regular who I consider 7 and I give them 3000 for couple of hour.
From what I have heard, the 8's and 9's who decide to do p4 p for easy money, usually don't meet tourists and prefer to have clientele of Thais and asians. And their fee is around 20-25 k per hour. Now I have only heard this and can't be sure.
Looks wise I enjoy S. Korea and Japan more in east asia, even though it's verg hard to get top layer of girls if you're not asian. But still the ones I get to meet was better than usual gogo girls.I went to New Cleopatra around 2005 and although they let me into the place nobody would talk to me. I was ignored by the papasans, waiters and girls. I probably did not know the magic words or flash enough cash.
I went to New Cleopatra around 2005 and although they let me into the place nobody would talk to me. I was ignored by the papasans, waiters and girls. I probably did not know the magic words or flash enough cash.I had a different experience at the Lord massage in Bangkok, when it was open. I was treated well but their prices were really high. They are closed for good now, but I suggest you try Maria Entertainment.
VictorHugo99
03-29-20, 00:59
Hi M,
Not being the Padre of the Thailand mongering mafia, I would only advance some recommendations (open to opposing ideas of course).
I am not for long term relationships as even your constant support of the lady is no guarantee that she will be absolutely yours truly, neither that she will promise to be present to please all your whims and fancy as-and-when you make a trip here! (unless she is planning to settle down with you, or you with her).
I personally recommend getting your exclusive M. Hobby Phone. I recommend installing your android or Google Google account with an alternative identity, with a complete new set of friends and contacts.
Please do not be-friend yourself by accident. You can just build up your contact base 3 weeks before your next trip through:
Applications:
Line.
Wechat.
Thaifriendly.
Tinder.
Date in Asia.
SA.
Facebook.
And then invite her to connect through:
WhatsApp.
Viber.
Facebook.
You should have quite a good stock of ladies before arriving in Thailand. This of course entails being quite industrious in making initial contact over a 3 weeks period, which is the down side. The up side is that you only pay as you "eat", when you "eat".
Just some thoughts, happy preparing.
Vic.
Its no brainier that many P4P girls are messaging now a days for money "urgently".
One problem I have is this:
If I try stay in touch with girls during my almost a year of absence from Thailand, girls pester for $ as soon as you message them more than a couple of times a year.
If you don't message them, they change numbers in a year and I have to rebuild my harem. Obviously this becomes too much work during the few days of holidays when I am Thailand.
How do guys manage to stay high and dry and still have enough contacts to depend upon?
LittleBigMan
03-29-20, 02:07
What door is being closed? If anything the doggie door has been replaced by an airplane hangar door. And it is wide ass open. I am so tired of chicks. And every day I plan to spend alone a new one pops up.
I was minding my own business last night at 1 am when a chick as cute as a button hit me up on Thai Friendly. I had told all of my chicks (free and paid) that I just wanted to be alone tonight and had made it half way through the night alone. But when I saw her I said shit, I might be dead tomorrow. I better get this pussy now! I told her I would be there in 10 minutes.
Before taking her home today I told her to tell her roommate I was about to bring her home and the roommate should be ready to come back with me. She said really? Now I have never seen the roommate or anything, but you know I like to talk shit.
So I dropped her off and handed her 1000 baht. She wanted to put the helmet in the back compartment. I told her to just keep it and give it to her roommate when she comes out. She said are you serious? She said you can take any girl, but you can not take my friend. I said why not? You have money now. You do not want your friend to get money too? She said no. I took the helmet from her and drove off laughing. She hit me later saying she missed me.Door closed, I don't mean for myself but in general! But as I noted things are pretty much mental? Today although people like you are getting more than you need the options are closing like the GoGo, which I like to go regularly for a after dinner drink and to cool off and just relax. The options of Soi 6, or massage places throughout Soi Baukhao or even my favority GC Kinnarree.
It has taken years for me to rid names off my phone with Line which is all I use in the past and today. The silence makes me happy! But make no mistake the door isn't completely closed.
Mr Enternational
03-29-20, 07:06
I personally recommend getting your exclusive M. Hobby Phone. I recommend installing your android or Google Google account with an alternative identity, with a complete new set of friends and contacts.
You should have quite a good stock of ladies before arriving in Thailand. This of course entails being quite industrious in making initial contact over a 3 weeks period, which is the down side. The up side is that you only pay as you "eat", when you "eat".Why go through all of that when he could just tell the girls that he only gives money when he is there, or he can turn off the app's notifications or even mute the notifications of specific people.
I went to New Cleopatra around 2005 and although they let me into the place nobody would talk to me. I was ignored by the papasans, waiters and girls. I probably did not know the magic words or flash enough cash.I don't go way back to 2005, but my experience in soapies has been lame. First time it was fun, girl washing and all. But later I realized I just overpaid for taking a bath and boring sex. Mostly I have tried soapies in Pattaya and they're pretty bad service-wise because they mostly cater to tourists. For eg, honey 2 shop, which shows some pretty 7's sitting in front of you, smiling and all, but you can't talk to them or confirm the services. It's pretty mundane actually: bath, extremely mechanical massage (can't remember which comes first LOL), CBJ and then sex, ofcourse without kissing or BBBJ.
No experts of any standing are saying warm weather will dispose of the virus. While respiratory in nature there the resemblance to a flu ends. That said as this is a novel strain and is not yet totally understood it is a possibility.
China while not back to where it was has experienced no local infections for about a week, those there are are imported, mostly returning Chinese students from the UK and US. Even in Wuhan they are allowing movement of people and stores are reopening.
A vaccine is by most expert opinion 18 months way I. E. Summer or autumn of 2021. More likely there will be some treatment before then, one possibility is the cloning of antibodies from recovered infected people./ SARCASM ON.
You mean Donald Trump is not an expert source? I'm shocked, shocked...
/ SARCASM OFF.
A Chinese friend who was locked in for 6 weeks, only allowed out once every 3 days to buy supplies, had to sign out and in to her building, reports that she's free to be out and about now. The Chinese stepped hard after an initial fault, and succeeded. USA faltered out of the gate, and people will suffer the consequences... Grim.
Impossible to know, but even before the outbreak, Farang oriented P4 P in Thailand has been a pale remnant of its former self, with most of the joy sucked out, no GFE, high prices and rather unappealing women (albeit in relatively high numbers).As the old folks say, "By crackee, back in my day" (90's), easy to find an attractive girl in a gogo who WANTED to go LONG time rather than several short times. You could pull her, she'd show you a Thai club, a great local place to eat, more than happy to spend the night. If things worked out, she was more than willing to repeat, just give her the bar fine, she'd go pay the bar, and off you'd go again. My go-go days long gone (Cinderella Liberty now), but from what friends say, the preference of bar girls is several short times per night. But even these days, possible to find some gems... For me, that's part of the fun, panning for gold and seeing what you find... The thrill of the hunt.
I don't go way back to 2005, but my experience in soapies has been lame. First time it was fun, girl washing and all. But later I realized I just overpaid for taking a bath and boring sex. Mostly I have tried soapies in Pattaya and they're pretty bad service-wise because they mostly cater to tourists. For eg, honey 2 shop, which shows some pretty 7's sitting in front of you, smiling and all, but you can't talk to them or confirm the services. It's pretty mundane actually: bath, extremely mechanical massage (can't remember which comes first LOL), CBJ and then sex, ofcourse without kissing or BBBJ.Now Annies didn't have the greatest looking girls, but, for me, soaking in a hot tub while the girl scrubbed you, then slip-in-slide on a mattress, then off to the bed for more (of course, this was back in the day where 2 shots in 90 minutes was easy for me) , was well worth the price. Only ventured out to the full soapies a couple of times and was not impressed.
Its no brainier that many P4P girls are messaging now a days for money "urgently".
One problem I have is this:
If I try stay in touch with girls during my almost a year of absence from Thailand, girls pester for $ as soon as you message them more than a couple of times a year.
If you don't message them, they change numbers in a year and I have to rebuild my harem. Obviously this becomes too much work during the few days of holidays when I am Thailand.
How do guys manage to stay high and dry and still have enough contacts to depend upon?I use Line and have found a girl won't switch their Line. While they might change their mobile number, they can transfer the Line to the new number. Same with WeChat. I've learned (after numerous "forgets") to get the Line number for an excellent provider. Perhaps it's another benefit of preferring mature seasoned providers. They've built a house; they understand that requests for money are futile, so don't; and are more than willing to keep up the contact for the potential repeat business. My experience, anyway.
Franciscass
03-29-20, 13:05
Opinions on future societal changes coming from this unprecedented upheaval in the way we live and interact are fascinating. In the P4P world I feel it is likely that both providers and buyers will have discovered the benefits of finding partners on line. No doubt bars clubs oilies go gos etc will continue but when punters have through necessity now discovered that on line hook ups are available, cheaper and perhaps more satisfying why go through the expensive, lady drinks, bar fine routine to get laid. Seeing the goods will always be important but from lots of recent posts this channel when gotten used to would appear to work quite well. Hell I might even sign up to a couple of sites after I post this.
Impossible to know, but even before the outbreak, Farang oriented P4 P in Thailand has been a pale remnant of its former self, with most of the joy sucked out, no GFE, high prices and rather unappealing women (albeit in relatively high numbers). I feel that providers are bottom-of-the-bottom of Thai society; for instance, it was very hard to find a non-skanky girl with no tattoos or those ridiculous eyebrows. Demographics are not favorable either, with average age in Thailand now being over 40.
For the last few years, I've actually had more fun (on the low end) in unlikely places like Malaysia, Laos or Hong Kong than I did in Bangkok or Pattaya. Sure, the scene is bigger in Thailand and a few specialist places like Tulip or BJ bars offer a service not available elsewhere, but there's zero excitement; most of the decent girls have been around for 10+ years, and slowly declining in looks and dwindling in numbers.
For a long time, Thailand's P4 P scene has been living on fumes of its previous reputation. Even once Covid-19 is under control, up until a vaccine is widely deployed (mid-2021 at the earliest), we're not getting back to normal. Sex workers will still be a major vector of infection. International travel will be uncertain, with various frequently changing restrictions. Even without a big official crackdown, I think there's a fair chance this crisis will push the industry over the edge.Could not agree more with all your points. The scene in Thailand has been in decline for quite some time. Of course there are new (by new I mean people who have been mongering in Thailand for less than a decade) folks around that have nothing to compare it to. And yes, I'm afraid this will be another tipping point and the biggest tipping point at that. This pandemic will change everything. It is the biggest event since WWII, and will lead to changes in every aspect of life. I don't think we will see a Roaring 20's style environment when this is over like we did at the end of WWI and the Spanish Flu. On the contrary, I think it will usher in an era of more conservative behavior. Changes for our hobby will be massive both from the provider and from customers. Working gals seeing men from all over the planet are the perfect vectors. Will we ever feel comfortable in an oily room again knowing how poorly they are cleaned? Will they even be allowed to re-open in their current form? For sure there will be a "new normal" and it will not be one that long time mongers will like.
Big Boss Man
03-29-20, 16:05
I don't go way back to 2005, but my experience in soapies has been lame. First time it was fun, girl washing and all. But later I realized I just overpaid for taking a bath and boring sex. Mostly I have tried soapies in Pattaya and they're pretty bad service-wise because they mostly cater to tourists. For eg, honey 2 shop, which shows some pretty 7's sitting in front of you, smiling and all, but you can't talk to them or confirm the services. It's pretty mundane actually: bath, extremely mechanical massage (can't remember which comes first LOL), CBJ and then sex, ofcourse without kissing or BBBJ.It was before the MRT was built so it was expensive to get to New Cleopatra from Sukhumvit. New Cleopatra was supposedly where all the Thai Penthouse models were located which was why I went. I was the only caucasian in the place.
In the early 2000's there was only one oily that was available. Barons Barber Shop maybe? I enjoyed the soapies back in the day. Chayo Phraya 2 was the one for me that had the highest mileage in terms of sex service. I even got great service at Cupidy and Mona Lisa which was where all the taxi drivers took you to get their kickback and everybody recommended avoiding.
Now I think the oilies are better. I try to find the ones popular on G Diary to get the best service.
But even today if you are caucasian and go to Thanon Thaniya street you will be ignored. Or at least that was the case eight to ten years ago.
I happened to be in Bangkok in May 2003 the day they tore down the Clinton Plaza. That was my real hang out. I would stay at the Grand President on Soi 11 and take the Go Go dancers from Clinton Plaza. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Plaza The Grace Hotel coffee shop was the after-hours spot.
I guess I need to get to Bangkok again. My brother used to live there so I would go quite often.
I apologize for reminiscing. I know it doesn't help anybody looking for current action. I am in a county that is fairly locked down this weekend.
............ Even once Covid-19 is under control, up until a vaccine is widely deployed (mid-2021 at the earliest), we're not getting back to normal. Sex workers will still be a major vector of infection. International travel will be uncertain, with various frequently changing restrictions. Even without a big official crackdown, I think there's a fair chance this crisis will push the industry over the edge.Vaccine? SARS which is similar to covid 19 came about 16 years ago and a vaccine has not been developed for it. In that case according to your logic we will not get back to how things were before for a very long time. What is ironic is that the virus apparently started in China but its epicenter appears to settle in the US with infected individuals growing exponentially with no end in sight. Will Americans become the pariah of p4p avoided by working girls worldwide? Will that be the change we can look forward to?
Vaccine? SARS which is similar to covid 19 came about 16 years ago and a vaccine has not been developed for it. In that case according to your logic we will not get back to how things were before for a very long time. What is ironic is that the virus apparently started in China but its epicenter appears to settle in the US with infected individuals growing exponentially with no end in sight. Will Americans become the pariah of p4p avoided by working girls worldwide? Will that be the change we can look forward to?Yes, the end is in sight. In the US the virus will peak in mid-April and cases will be at zero in June or July. SARS vaccine was in development but funding was cut. Still, I don't think we will ever get back to the way things were before. This is a game changer even though the number of deaths will not even reach the total of the HK flu in 68-69 that killed over a million worldwide.
Member #4698
03-29-20, 18:23
Yes, the end is in sight. In the US the virus will peak in mid-April and cases will be at zero in June or July. <snip> Still, I don't think we will ever get back to the way things were before. This is a game changer .... I sure hope you are right about the peak in mid-April, but that date might turn out to be a tad optimistic. No one knows for certain. In the meantime anybody who is somebody in the healthcare industry is looking & testing for a cure. Maybe Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) + Azithromycin will prove effective in the short run while we wait for a vaccine which is most likely a year or more away.
As to whether things ever get back to pre-Corona times in Thailand, sadly, that is anybody's guess. The most optimistic scenario is that Corona cases peak in mid-April like you say and by the middle of June Thailand is back in business. The girls come back and are dying for cash, the bars reopen and are desperate for customers, and the Thai Government decides to stay out of it. Meanwhile on the demand side: tourists still reeling from their respective home country's recessions do not come back in large numbers until Dec 2020/ Jan 2021 at the earliest. Under this most optimistic scenario Thailand enters a brief summer / fall renaissance for those ex-pats and early return travelers that venture forth. But who knows?
A much more pessimistic scenario goes something like this: the Pandemic does not end until a vaccine is widely distributed in mid 2021. Long before that date the world Economies fall into devastating depressions. By the time Thailand is back open for business there are relatively few takers left. In fact it might take years for the tourist numbers to return to pre-Cornona numbers. This might prove to be a great opportunity for those still flush with cash, but many bars and bordellos will go bankrupt and never return and at any time the Thai Government might decide to intervene and close down the remaining P4P tourist business once and for all. Again, no one knows what is going to happen. All I know is whoring has been around since the dawn of the human race. In one form or another it will most likely survive in Thailand after the Corona. But whether it stays in the bars & massage shops where I like it or moves elsewhere, most likely to the internet, or goes underground is anybody's guess. We will just have to wait and see.
Yes, the end is in sight. In the US the virus will peak in mid-April and cases will be at zero in June or July. SARS vaccine was in development but funding was cut. Still, I don't think we will ever get back to the way things were before. This is a game changer even though the number of deaths will not even reach the total of the HK flu in 68-69 that killed over a million worldwide.I remember the big hullabaloo over the Hong Kong flu, it was nothing like this, this is much much worse, at least the reaction to it so far. Unfortunately Dr. Anthony Fauci seems to be a much saner voice than Trump. Dr. Fauci said today that the United States deaths from coronavirus could reach 200,000 with millions of cases.
I remember the big hullabaloo over the Hong Kong flu, it was nothing like this, this is much much worse, at least the reaction to it so far. Unfortunately Dr. Anthony Fauci seems to be a much saner voice than Trump. Dr. Fauci said today that the United States deaths from coronavirus could reach 200,000 with millions of cases.He stated that between 100 and 200 k in a worse case scenario. I much more inclined to listed to Dr. Birx. There are 2. 8 million deaths in America every year. 100 k is a little over a 2% increase. And that is worse case scenario. The HK flu killed between 1 and 1. 5 million in 68-69. There are 60% more people on the planet now. Numbers for this would have to reach 2. 5 or more to equal the percentage killed by the HK flu. I don't think we are gong to get anywhere near that. But we are going to ruin the lives of hundreds of millions of people with the measures that are being taken. If this virus was killing the young like the Spanish Flu did, I would see the cause for alarm. So will this be the response for every new "possible" pandemic? Lock things down? What freedoms will we lose this time? More that after 9/11? How will travel be restricted?
I sure hope you are right about the peak in mid-April, but that date might turn out to be a tad optimistic. No one knows for certain. In the meantime anybody who is somebody in the healthcare industry is looking & testing for a cure. Maybe Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) + Azithromycin will prove effective in the short run while we wait for a vaccine which is most likely a year or more away.
As to whether things ever get back to pre-Corona times in Thailand, sadly, that is anybody's guess. The most optimistic scenario is that Corona cases peak in mid-April like you say and by the middle of June Thailand is back in business. The girls come back and are dying for cash, the bars reopen and are desperate for customers, and the Thai Government decides to stay out of it. Meanwhile on the demand side: tourists still reeling from their respective home country's recessions do not come back in large numbers until Dec 2020/ Jan 2021 at the earliest. Under this most optimistic scenario Thailand enters a brief summer / fall renaissance for those ex-pats and early return travelers that venture forth. But who knows?
A much more pessimistic scenario goes something like this: the Pandemic does not end until a vaccine is widely distributed in mid 2021. Long before that date the world Economies fall into devastating depressions. By the time Thailand is back open for business there are relatively few takers left. In fact it might take years for the tourist numbers to return to pre-Cornona numbers. This might prove to be a great opportunity for those still flush with cash, but many bars and bordellos will go bankrupt and never return and at any time the Thai Government might decide to intervene and close down the remaining P4P tourist business once and for all. Again, no one knows what is going to happen. All I know is whoring has been around since the dawn of the human race. In one form or another it will most likely survive in Thailand after the Corona. But whether it stays in the bars & massage shops where I like it or moves elsewhere, most likely to the internet, or goes underground is anybody's guess. We will just have to wait and see.Pandemics don't tend to behave like your pessimistic outlook. Left alone, they tend to go up and then down. The issue with this is not the death rate, it's the need for hospital beds for which many nations are ill-prepared. My guess is internet will be the main stay. Sadly, I don't find that so interesting.
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