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Bam Boom Bam
05-24-20, 09:26
BananaBoi, you're probably right since that is the usual objection to taking go-go girls or the reason someone chooses to go the FL route instead. But I often read here that go-go girls are less service-oriented, less giving, are more difficult to get GFE with (True GFE or not) and so on. Maybe that was part of his reasoning as well.
For example, it has been posted that go-go girls are the least likely to agree to bb or give a BBBJ+CIM compared to other options. They are certainly presumed to give the least accomplished ones. And I think the idea is they are less likely to be agreeable to those things or do a good job of it because they are typically younger, in better shape, don't need to give so much for the money, in a hurry to get back to the bar and so on. But, I have to say none of that has been my experience with go-go girls vs FLs on the street, in Thermae, massage shop girls, whatever..I actually have a different viewpoint albeit my very limited experience. I think BBBJ is more likely in a gogo or a beer bar. Both Pattaya girls gave me BBBJ. The Thermae girl did not. In fact, the second day in Bangkok, I returned to Thermae and talked to about half a dozen girls. (I realize it's not exact science.) They all said no to BBBJ. One said she will do CBJ. Then I left. I will never go to Thermae again. I might just go there for a beer and to observe the talent. But to me, many of them look extremely arrogant. But then again, I'm not so sure Thermae will re-open any time in the near future either. I guess it's no loss for the most of us here.
Then after giving up on the girls, I visited almost every single gogo bar in LK Metro. There was very little pressure for lady's drinks and I was happy to buy one or two here and there. I realized this was more fun and less stressful than actually getting a girl. I did not like the Walking Street agogos. Almost everywhere it was "You barfine me! You lady drink me! You tip me!" The only place that was benign was Baccara.
Then after giving up on the girls, I visited almost every single gogo bar in LK Metro. There was very little pressure for lady's drinks and I was happy to buy one or two here and there. I realized this was more fun and less stressful than actually getting a girl. I did not like the Walking Street agogos. Almost everywhere it was "You barfine me! You lady drink me! You tip me!" The only place that was benign was Baccara.Well you can just say "no". Everytime I have tried a new gogo where girls don't know me, and I buy drink for one girl, 2-3 just start to wander around me and ask for a drink. I just smile and say not today. No way some pushy bargirls going to stop me from having fun with the girl sitting next to me.
And this happens first time around usually with me, next time everyone mind their business, they know I am not gonna fall for their shit like some tourist. I think for stressful part for some is, that they start to think that girla are judging them. Well who gives a fuck. Next time if you get a chance to go in some gogo anywhere in Thailand, just enjoy the hell out and ignore anyone trying you to spend more than you want.
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I do not believe there ever will be a Post-Covid-19 phase. I believe the virus is here to stay for the long term. With the safety measures in place, it may be contained but most likely not eradicated considering the high number of asymptomatic cases. I believe the implementation of the social distancing rules will not make it viable for Nana Plaza to re-open in the near future. But that is just my opinion.I hate to say it and I hope I am wrong, but I tend to agree with you about that. It seems like every new research discovery about how the virus is transmitted most easily and widely is another nail in the go-go bar and beer bar experience coffin. Shouting over loud music? Masks? Social Distancing? And with bars like the Hillary group on Soi 4 that featured live music and singers, it is very likely the reason a cluster of cases emerged from one or two of them is because of the singers in those often crowded bars. Turns out, similar to shouting, singing is a natural Super Spreader activity. There have been cases where 30 members of a church choir group would get Covid-19 from one member of their group who was a carrier.
So, let's say the go-go bars and beer bars will re-open with something akin to what we'd had before 3 months after the vaccine and/or quick fix "cure" has been disseminated and provided for virtually every human being on the planet and every new born is required to get inoculated as well. I'm beginning to think then and only then will the powers that be in Thailand feel comfortable about allowing every tourist in as before and allow people to come and go in those kind of venues as freely as before.
Do you guys have any idea how many years from now we're talking about? They can get to a point where enough tourists are allowed in to shop and buy in the various malls. As long as some strict rules regarding Social Distancing and masks are adhered to for that. But men from all over the world cruising in and out of go-go bars and beer bars, one after the other well into the night with 10 Leos or Singhas in their belly? Girls sitting on my lap one minute, another guy's lap the next and on and on for hours, shouting or even whispering in each other's face and getting drunker? Wow. There better be a worldwide miracle cure and vaccine available to everyone on the planet coming down the pike if that is going to happen any time soon. And I mean within the next decade.
Or I suppose they can merely shrug it off and accept the higher death rate of their grandmas and grandpas just so we can continue to share stories about the dud from Thermae we wasted 2,500 baht on last week. You know, when they allowed 12 girls in at a time, requiring them to stand a metre apart and we were allowed through the door one at a time every 1 minute to cruise around in a circle once and whisper the negotiations through a mask too far from the girl to be heard anyway.
Regarding the 7-11 sandwiches, I re-read the Thermae report. I mis-wrote. They were not 7-11 sandwiches. They were Subway sandwiches. The total bill was around 400 Baht for two persons. I do not think that is cheap as in 17.50 Baht. Even though they are hookers, I treat them as my guests. So I would never buy them 7-11 sandwiches.LOL. Sorry, man. I was not referring to anything you wrote about getting sandwiches in 7-11. I don't even recall if I read that post. That was a reference to something I'd read in another thread. And only in a quote from a poster here who has had me on "Ignore" for years. It was a post about me that he had written. I guess he either still takes a peek at my posts despite having me on "Ignore" or, like me with him, the only thing he reads of mine is when someone else quotes me. Kind of silly. Oh, I can do a quick workaround to view any pics he's posted that others are referring to in their posts. But I really don't bother reading his posts other than looking at the pics that others are talking about OR when I can't avoid seeing something of his quoted by another poster.
I figure if he has me on "Ignore", it is because he doesn't want me to read or respond directly to his posts, so I have no problem honoring that wish. But if another member quotes something of his and comments on it, then that is a topic open for discussion even by those on someone's "Ignore" list.
............I do not believe there ever will be a Post-Covid-19 phase. I believe the virus is here to stay for the long term............All viruses have a life span. The 1918 Spanish flu pandemic killed around 50 million people worldwide and lasted for around 18 months. All the flu pandemics after that lasted for a similar period. My intention was to spend 2021 in Thailand, I'm putting it back one year so its 2022 when I believe this pandemic will be just a memory and things will be as they were before.
All viruses have a life span. The 1918 Spanish flu pandemic killed around 50 million people worldwide and lasted for around 18 months. All the flu pandemics after that lasted for a similar period. My intention was to spend 2021 in Thailand, I'm putting it back one year so its 2022 when I believe this pandemic will be just a memory and things will be as they were before.I'm hoping that I can at least travel domestically from mid-2021 onward. I too am prepared to wait until 2022 for overseas travel. Seems like a long time, but for the first time in years, I wasn't planning to do any overseas travel in 2020 anyway. So, not too much disappointment here. This is a great time to "recalibrate" and set our financial houses in order for future trips.
All viruses have a life span. The 1918 Spanish flu pandemic killed around 50 million people worldwide and lasted for around 18 months. All the flu pandemics after that lasted for a similar period. My intention was to spend 2021 in Thailand, I'm putting it back one year so its 2022 when I believe this pandemic will be just a memory and things will be as they were before.Again, I hope these kind of assessments are correct. However, HIV has survived quite well for 40+ years with no indication that it is limping along on its last leg and ready to fade away on its own any minute now. It has been controlled by the use of drugs and tolerable adjustments in behavior, but not eradicated.
Luckily, HIV is not an airborne virus. One has to take unusual measures and line up a set of fairly special conditions to both get it and transmit it. Not so with Covid-19, which also only superficially behaves like the flu. We are still discovering longer term issues with having acquired it, long after the typical 2 week recovery period is over. And more potential problems for young people, even small children exposed to it than previously thought.
We did not have jumbo jet airliners in 1918. The ability for a dangerous airborne virus with a weeks long infectious incubation period where no symptoms are evident (unlike the flu virus) to move from country to country, continually recirculating and resurfacing in cluster groups of people who can then pass it on to the next group by simply talking or breathing next to them is different.
And that poses uniquely complicated problems for activities that rely on groups of global travelers crowding in a room on a nightly basis to shatter Social Distancing recommendations in every possible way short of getting naked and kissing and licking each other on the spot. Mostly.
And that very thing is the end game for such a business model anyway except members of the group usually pair off to do that in a nearby room that I am pretty sure won't be fully sanitized, sheets, towels, door knobs and all every 2 hours. And then one or both of those extreme Distance violators will be returning to the bar for more interacting and pairing off.
How will the lingering fears and worries about Covid-19 effect P4P and for how long even after it is somewhat under control? Well, if the HIV era is any example, it has been 40+ years, it is or should be very well known by now that non anal sex transmission is rare, made extremely rare if not virtually impossible if dealt with by easily available modern drugs. Yet 40+ years later not a week goes by where it is not mentioned or alluded to in some form or fashion in my mongering experience and where some activity or another is refused or nearly so from worry and concern about it.
And need we be reminded that condom or no condom has zero pertinence in this matter? I would bet very few people gave the Spanish Flu a moment's thought in 1958, 40 years after it killed millions and faded away. But not so with HIV.
This lockdown and all the hassles with checking for fevers, staying indoors, business closures, etc is unlike anything people today have experienced before, including when HIV first hit the scene. It is bound to be leaving a lasting impression on current and future sweet young things' minds.
Do any of you guys know that the CDC just released new IFR numbers?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
I'll let you guys argue amongst yourselves regarding what they mean but I can see what those numbers say.
Covid will soon be a memory.
Do any of you guys know that the CDC just released new IFR numbers?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
I'll let you guys argue amongst yourselves regarding what they mean but I can see what those numbers say.
Covid will soon be a memory.Some comforting numbers in there. If they hold up against more testing and case studies going forward.
I just wish I could show my newly met Thai P4P girls the CDC numbers on the high improbability of them acquiring HIV via uncovered Oral Sex or uncovered Vaginal Sex from any man they are likely to meet on the job, much less the near impossibility of acquiring it from a fairly easy to determine heterosexual and non needle-sharing man with a current Negative HIV blood check document to show them and count on that to quickly eliminate their still stated fears about it enough to happily say Yes to both with no further discussion on the topic. 40+ years into it.
..................I would bet very few people gave the Spanish Flu a moment's thought in 1958, 40 years after it killed millions and faded away. But not so with HIV. ............Interesting that you mentioned the year 1958; at that time the whole world might have been thinking of the Spanish flu as that was the year of the Asian flu that killed 1 million people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957%E2%80%931958_influenza_pandemic.
You speak of AIDS that has been with us for 40 years but what about the small pox virus that afflicted the world for 3000 years? Lets hope that covid 19 is not here for such a length of time but is here for the same period as other similar viruses of the influenza variety.
CzarNicholas
05-25-20, 23:56
Some comforting numbers in there. If they hold up against more testing and case studies going forward.
I just wish I could show my newly met Thai P4P girls the CDC numbers on the high improbability of them acquiring HIV via uncovered Oral Sex or uncovered Vaginal Sex from any man they are likely to meet on the job, much less the near impossibility of acquiring it from a fairly easy to determine heterosexual and non needle-sharing man with a current Negative HIV blood check document to show them and count on that to quickly eliminate their still stated fears about it enough to happily say Yes to both with no further discussion on the topic. 40+ years into it.I emailed it to my physician which is an HIV expert, and he said this was written as a guide for local politicians, not for mongers LMAO.
I emailed it to my physician which is an HIV expert, and he said this was written as a guide for local politicians, not for mongers LMAO.Which did he think was written as a guide for local politicians? The CDC numbers for Covid-19, the CDC numbers for the statistical risk for HIV transmission through sex, or my post about them on this site? 😁.
Beijing4987
05-26-20, 01:50
Can someone ask their HIV expert to dial in the reported number of HIV infections in Asia? Just like the anti-terrorist has to be right each time, so does the BBFS monger.
CzarNicholas
05-26-20, 02:06
Which did he think was written as a guide for local politicians? The CDC numbers for Covid-19, the CDC numbers for the statistical risk for HIV transmission through sex, or my post about them on this site? 😁.https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
SinfullyKorean
05-26-20, 07:48
I actually have a different viewpoint albeit my very limited experience. I think BBBJ is more likely in a gogo or a beer bar. Both Pattaya girls gave me BBBJ. The Thermae girl did not. In fact, the second day in Bangkok, I returned to Thermae and talked to about half a dozen girls. (I realize it's not exact science.) They all said no to BBBJ. One said she will do CBJ. Then I left. I will never go to Thermae again. I might just go there for a beer and to observe the talent. But to me, many of them look extremely arrogant. But then again, I'm not so sure Thermae will re-open any time in the near future either. I guess it's no loss for the most of us here.
Then after giving up on the girls, I visited almost every single gogo bar in LK Metro. There was very little pressure for lady's drinks and I was happy to buy one or two here and there. I realized this was more fun and less stressful than actually getting a girl. I did not like the Walking Street agogos. Almost everywhere it was "You barfine me! You lady drink me! You tip me!" The only place that was benign was Baccara.I've been to Thailand 3 times now. While that doesn't make me an expert by any means, I am a bit familiar with the area. I've been to Phuket, BKK, and Pattaya on my 3 visits.
I feel like the gogo bars and the girls there run a lot more scams. They try to make the customers pay the full LT amount plus bar fine at the bar. I've run into this in many bars in BKK (Cowboy and Nana). I just got sick of this and went to Thermae Cafe. Most of the HOT girls there don't want LT. They just want short time because they know they can be in and out in about an HR and move on to the next monger. But if you're not looking for mindblowing, nympho sex (that you probably wouldn't get from gogo bars anyways), I feel like Thermae Cafe was much better. They don't have bar fines and you can feel them up with a couple drinks before taking them upstairs or to your hotel. I had several good experiences from Thermae Cafe, but I didn't have high expectations. I just wanted a young, model-esque thai girl to bang and was happy with what I got.
I had a great time in Pattaya, too. Most of my fun was had in soi 6. Walking street in Pattaya reeked of the same scams or were heavily overpriced (9000+ baht for LT). In soi 6, there were a lot more chicks for more reasonable prices. (sub 6000 baht). Bars were really fun, too. I mopped the floor with the ladies (including mama-san) in some of these bars in connect 4.
But yea, I find the prices driving up is making the trip out to Thailand and my retirement plans (currently 40) over there less and less appealing. I'll still make a few trips out there in my lifetime. It's just not what it used to be, as far as I've read). I might stick to Mexico for a while.
Can someone ask their HIV expert to dial in the reported number of HIV infections in Asia? Just like the anti-terrorist has to be right each time, so does the BBFS monger.Based on that premise, would it make any difference to you if the number of women in Asia with HIV was 100 Million or 1? You might meet that 1 at the arrival area of the airport, invite her to dinner and unkowingly walk into certain death before midnight, right?
Of course, it could just as well be 1 in Europe or 1 in the Americas and you getting it wrong that one time would produce the same result. Never 100% safe.
Banana Boi
05-26-20, 14:27
Can someone ask their HIV expert to dial in the reported number of HIV infections in Asia? Just like the anti-terrorist has to be right each time, so does the BBFS monger.If you're so concerned about HIV maybe you should consider not doing BBFS. For me it's not me I worry about but I'll be damned if I pass HIV to my real life GF.
I have not heard one single ISG member get HIV in any of the Asian countries or Germany where BBFS is readily available so chances must be low. BBFS away!
Franciscass
05-26-20, 16:46
I have not heard one single ISG member get HIV in any of the Asian countries or Germany where BBFS is readily available so chances must be low. BBFS away!Not something I imagine one would want to make public.
So last week I did had a date with a Filipina freelancer working in BKK.
Short BBJ, Fuck with condom.
She could take it like a champ.
Real GFE, but not very open minded.
Did cum on her face, 1.5 K.
I hope soon the BJ bars will open again.
Beijing4987
05-26-20, 19:48
If you're so concerned about HIV maybe you should consider not doing BBFS. For me it's not me I worry about but I'll be damned if I pass HIV to my real life GF.
I have not heard one single ISG member get HIV in any of the Asian countries or Germany where BBFS is readily available so chances must be low. BBFS away!As Alfred E. Newman said:" What, me worry".
He must have washed his hands a lot.
So last week I did had a date with a Filipina freelancer working in BKK.
Short BBJ, Fuck with condom.
She could take it like a champ.
Real GFE, but not very open minded.
Did cum on her face, 1.5 K.
I hope soon the BJ bars will open again.She was a real GFE, took it like a champ and you gave her a facial so how was she not open-minded? 7th Heaven BJ bar is scheduled to reopen on 15 June but you will have to get your temperature checked before you enter.
Not something I imagine one would want to make public.Oh, I think these message boards would be full of such finger wagging scolds using the made up handles we all create to remain anonymous if there were any around to do it.
Frankly, I've always been surprised some of the anti bareback warriors here and elsewhere around the net haven't created additional handles to pretend it happened to them in order to spin scary tales of how they got it after just one minute of unintentional bareback with the first Thai female hooker they ever met.
Watch. Now that I've suggested it, we'll probably see a new handle pop up out of nowhere with almost exactly that story to tell.
Houston Player
05-27-20, 03:41
I hope soon the BJ bars will open again.The BJ bars on 7/1 have been open for weeks. I haven't partaken because of the quality of the girls but my friend has had several sessions.
Banana Boi
05-27-20, 03:52
Watch. Now that I've suggested it, we'll probably see a new handle pop up out of nowhere with almost exactly that story to tell.You're the only person on here that gets it!
Franciscass
05-27-20, 03:53
Oh, I think these message boards would be full of such finger wagging scolds using the made up handles we all create to remain anonymous if there were any around to do it.
Frankly, I've always been surprised some of the anti bareback warriors here and elsewhere around the net haven't created additional handles to pretend it happened to them in order to spin scary tales of how they got it after just one minute of unintentional bareback with the first Thai female hooker they ever met.
Watch. Now that I've suggested it, we'll probably see a new handle pop up out of nowhere with almost exactly that story to tell.With respect ET it's really unfair to suggest some members would create false identities and claim they had contracted aids from unprotected sex. Those of us who feel BBFS presents a risk are not so fucked up that we would go that far.
You're the only person on here that gets it!I hope you mean I "get" the convenient additional handle problem that can plague message boards, BananaBoi, and not the virus in question.
Danny Duck
05-27-20, 05:50
I've been to Thailand 3 times now. While that doesn't make me an expert by any means, I am a bit familiar with the area. I've been to Phuket, BKK, and Pattaya on my 3 visits.
I feel like the gogo bars and the girls there run a lot more scams. They try to make the customers pay the full LT amount plus bar fine at the bar. I've run into this in many bars in BKK (Cowboy and Nana). I just got sick of this and went to Thermae Cafe. Most of the HOT girls there don't want LT. They just want short time because they know they can be in and out in about an HR and move on to the next monger. But if you're not looking for mindblowing, nympho sex (that you probably wouldn't get from gogo bars anyways), I feel like Thermae Cafe was much better. They don't have bar fines and you can feel them up with a couple drinks before taking them upstairs or to your hotel. I had several good experiences from Thermae Cafe, but I didn't have high expectations. I just wanted a young, model-esque thai girl to bang and was happy with what I got.
I had a great time in Pattaya, too. Most of my fun was had in soi 6. Walking street in Pattaya reeked of the same scams or were heavily overpriced (9000+ baht for LT). In soi 6, there were a lot more chicks for more reasonable prices. (sub 6000 baht). Bars were really fun, too. I mopped the floor with the ladies (including mama-san) in some of these bars in connect 4..Don't post in Pattaya thread you pay 9000 long time plus barfine. So over 10,000. Oh me oh my! You might give some a Massive heart attack.
Stick fella is rumor mongering that Rainbow 1 and 3 owners have thrown in the towel. They never did seem to have a lot of customers so not surprising.
Maybe Rainbow 2 and 4 can go to the vacated smaller spaces.
Losing R2 and 4 is like losing the Taj Majahl.
What say you?
The BJ bars on 7/1 have been open for weeks. I haven't partaken because of the quality of the girls but my friend has had several sessions.Couple of full service shops I used to go are also open, but I don't want to be on next bangkokpost article titled "Foreigner caught with his dick inside a pussy in massage shop during lockdown restrictions". Too big?
My local shop has skirted the rules and opened their doors to me so I can see my long time massage gal for a rub and FS. Our self imposed rule was to wait two weeks in between sessions to give each other peace of mind. Not even a nod and a wink, the owner is always there smiling and saying "no Covid! No Covid!" It has been thus since the third week of March.
My gal just took advantage of a ride upcountry to finally go visit her family, and part of me is relieved. I, too, didn't want my pale ass to show up on the news. It would be hard to explain to my employer how I was still charging those hours to the company's telework account!
See.
Couple of full service shops I used to go are also open, but I don't want to be on next bangkokpost article titled "Foreigner caught with his dick inside a pussy in massage shop during lockdown restrictions". Too big?
Here is another lady I've been seeing almost every week for 2-3 months. Yes, I know we don't usually go for multiple repeats. But sometimes the girl and, now, the conditions simply call for it. She was never a bargirl and I did not meet her online. I don't think she has ever been on a dating site. Not sure. I spied her on the bts train one afternoon and just moved in for an introduction and Line info exchange.
She is not one of my freebies. She needs help to keep her budding clothing shop just outside of the central Bangkok area thriving. So I give her 2,000 baht plus taxi fare for our Long Times that always begin in the early evening (4:30pm-5:00pm) and end after 10am or much later the next day. Any night I want. Tonight I want.
In her late 20's or early 30's. Actually, I never ask about age unless the girl looks too young according to law. Yep, those boobs are surgically enhanced. Not generally my thing. I am more attracted to another body part of hers as seen in the pic of her washing my dishes after dinner. LOL. But I must say they are the most natural feeling enhanced boobs I've ever encountered.
She loves DATY madly but it took me a couple of times to learn the secret path to her heavenly finishes. Now she insists on it. I am happy to oblige. A glorious BBFS+CIP and/or one of the best BBBJ+CIM+Swallows I have had in Thailand is always on the menu for me, in any order or combination I want and always up to me. Been that way since our first time together. Well, it pretty much lands on just the latter during "that time of the month." Which is fine with me.
My local shop has skirted the rules and opened their doors to me so I can see my long time massage gal for a rub and FS. Our self imposed rule was to wait two weeks in between sessions to give each other peace of mind. Not even a nod and a wink, the owner is always there smiling and saying "no Covid! No Covid!" It has been thus since the third week of March.
My gal just took advantage of a ride upcountry to finally go visit her family, and part of me is relieved. I, too, didn't want my pale ass to show up on the news. It would be hard to explain to my employer how I was still charging those hours to the company's telework account!
See.Well I ended up visiting that shop anyway LOL. Yes super risky, and I won't suggest anyone going there right now but still posted info about it in another massage thread. Even tho these shops are open, but number of customers are too low. Girls who live far don't come unless booked in advance because they might not even able to earn their fare back. I thought expats would be more keen to try these shops but the numbers of visiters who visit really surprised me. Ofcourse the fact that many don't know shop is open and covid fear, is keeping many away from these shops. More interested in seeing what will happen when these shops open, officially.
I think she has a cracking figure and looks athletic and fit. Most important. You don't want your girl to be tired in the middle of the act anyways. LOL.
Keep plugging my friend.
Here is another lady I've been seeing almost every week for 2-3 months. Yes, I know we don't usually go for multiple repeats. But sometimes the girl and, now, the conditions simply call for it. She was never a bargirl and I did not meet her online. I don't think she has ever been on a dating site. Not sure. I spied her on the bts train one afternoon and just moved in for an introduction and Line info exchange.
She is not one of my freebies. She needs help to keep her budding clothing shop just outside of the central Bangkok area thriving. So I give her 2,000 baht plus taxi fare for our Long Times that always begin in the early evening (4:30pm-5:00pm) and end after 10am or much later the next day. Any night I want. Tonight I want.
In her late 20's or early 30's. Actually, I never ask about age unless the girl looks too young according to law. Yep, those boobs are surgically enhanced. Not generally my thing. I am more attracted to another body part of hers as seen in the pic of her washing my dishes after dinner. LOL. But I must say they are the most natural feeling enhanced boobs I've ever encountered.
She loves DATY madly but it took me a couple of times to learn the secret path to her heavenly finishes. Now she insists on it. I am happy to oblige. A glorious BBFS+CIP and/or one of the best BBBJ+CIM+Swallows I have had in Thailand is always on the menu for me, in any order or combination I want and always up to me. Been that way since our first time together. Well, it pretty much lands on just the latter during "that time of the month." Which is fine with me.
Here is another lady I've been seeing almost every week for 2-3 months. Nice one Mr. Tooms.
Hi,
Like the post and am on the lookout for someone like her that fits the bill. Any chance you can DM me her line as I'll be back in LOS in July. Appreciate the referral as you know how hit or miss these encounters can be.
Thanks again.
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She was a real GFE, took it like a champ and you gave her a facial so how was she not open-minded? 7th Heaven BJ bar is scheduled to reopen on 15 June but you will have to get your temperature checked before you enter.Okay, she didn't do deepthroat and touching her ass was a big no.
I give her a new try tomorrow.
Safety first!
Getting your temperature checked before a BJ.
What's next? Wearing a faceshield or a mask during a BJ?
I get all the safety regulations and I know it's good on the long run.
But this week I got an haircut while wearing a mask.
That mask did get wet during washing and while cutting around your ears you have to do some Houdini tricks.
I think she has a cracking figure and looks athletic and fit. Most important. You don't want your girl to be tired in the middle of the act anyways. LOL.
Keep plugging my friend.Thank you and D Cups for the comments. Yes, I have been lucky that most of my favorite regulars are quite fit and athletic/sporty types. My tastes of late have drifted away from the super slim or skinny girls I used to like. Not sure why. In fact, I am ocassionally drawn to a kind of chubby cute young girl for the sheer pleasure of the abundant, firm flesh experience of it. That can be great for the sake of variety every now and then, imo.
Nice one Mr. Tooms.Yes, indeed, a nice chick you've got there, ET. A fine body, slim, athletic, and tall.
Yes, indeed, a nice chick you've got there, ET. A fine body, slim, athletic, and tall.Thanks much, Lefeu. Speaking of tall, here is another ordinary daily life pic of my most frequent regular non P4P freebie GF of the past 2-3 years for you. She is 23 years old now. And a bit taller than most Thai girls. Also, no enhancements here. lol. But lovely, natural, non baby damaged ones anyway.
I realised the face mask era allows for full length pics these days while still keeping the face identity disguised. Sorry about the fully clothed option though. But in the interest of Bangkok (sexual options) Without Girlie Bars, here is another one.
That's such a fine looking, well toned body I'the say you are getting a good deal, ET. I also like the fit body for my more regular tumbles. This week I went with my 45 yo friend with a childless ass and belly that belies her age. But a pussy and mouth that demonstrate expertise. She'the look as good from behind as yours, but without the enhanced chest or the younger skin tone.
Here is another lady I've been seeing almost every week for 2-3 months. Yes, I know we don't usually go for multiple repeats. But sometimes the girl and, now, the conditions simply call for it. She was never a bargirl and I did not meet her online. I don't think she has ever been on a dating site. Not sure. I spied her on the bts train one afternoon and just moved in for an introduction and Line info exchange.
She is not one of my freebies. She needs help to keep her budding clothing shop just outside of the central Bangkok area thriving. So I give her 2,000 baht plus taxi fare for our Long Times that always begin in the early evening (4:30pm-5:00pm) and end after 10am or much later the next day. Any night I want. Tonight I want.
In her late 20's or early 30's. Actually, I never ask about age unless the girl looks too young according to law. Yep, those boobs are surgically enhanced. Not generally my thing. I am more attracted to another body part of hers as seen in the pic of her washing my dishes after dinner. LOL. But I must say they are the most natural feeling enhanced boobs I've ever encountered.
She loves DATY madly but it took me a couple of times to learn the secret path to her heavenly finishes. Now she insists on it. I am happy to oblige. A glorious BBFS+CIP and/or one of the best BBBJ+CIM+Swallows I have had in Thailand is always on the menu for me, in any order or combination I want and always up to me. Been that way since our first time together. Well, it pretty much lands on just the latter during "that time of the month." Which is fine with me.
Monger bro. Yes its nice to change once in a while. Its fun to feel those big boobs and round ass but there is no substitute for a fit athletic body. I personally prefer fucking petite fit bodies because it saves my energy.
In doggie a bigger ass will tend to suck your energy far more than a smaller ass would. Also I can pump more per minute trust me I have timed myself with some chicks, it was funny. And we both laughed at it.
Cheers.
Thank you and D Cups for the comments. Yes, I have been lucky that most of my favorite regulars are quite fit and athletic/sporty types. My tastes of late have drifted away from the super slim or skinny girls I used to like. Not sure why..
CockaSaurus
05-29-20, 18:43
Here is another lady I've been seeing almost every week for 2-3 months. Yes, I know we don't usually go for multiple repeats. But sometimes the girl and, now, the conditions simply call for it. She was never a bargirl and I did not meet her online. I don't think she has ever been on a dating site. Not sure. I spied her on the bts train one afternoon and just moved in for an introduction and Line info exchange.
She is not one of my freebies. She needs help to keep her budding clothing shop just outside of the central Bangkok area thriving. So I give her 2,000 baht plus taxi fare for our Long Times that always begin in the early evening (4:30pm-5:00pm) and end after 10am or much later the next day. Any night I want. Tonight I want.
In her late 20's or early 30's. Actually, I never ask about age unless the girl looks too young according to law. Yep, those boobs are surgically enhanced. Not generally my thing. I am more attracted to another body part of hers as seen in the pic of her washing my dishes after dinner. LOL. But I must say they are the most natural feeling enhanced boobs I've ever encountered.
She loves DATY madly but it took me a couple of times to learn the secret path to her heavenly finishes. Now she insists on it. I am happy to oblige. A glorious BBFS+CIP and/or one of the best BBBJ+CIM+Swallows I have had in Thailand is always on the menu for me, in any order or combination I want and always up to me. Been that way since our first time together. Well, it pretty much lands on just the latter during "that time of the month." Which is fine with me.That is one good looking girl but she looks familiar to me. I think I've seen her in nana plaza a while back, not every day you see an ass like that in Thailand.
Jayshin0506
05-31-20, 11:44
This post is about what happened back a couple of months ago in January before the whole world turned into a shit hole. So I went to visit Thailand for the first time in my life with 2 friends. We are all 28 years old and dentists from California. My first friend is Korean American and literally looks like a Korean actor. He has everything height (6 ft), swimmer body, good job, charismatic, nicest guy you will meet. My other friend did not get blessed with looks or genes, but is equally nice and respectful. He is short and overall not a very attractive guy (maybe a 6). I am somewhere in between.
The amount of difference I noticed in terms of the treatment received from the go go girls was astonishing (the 3 SHY girls he took are all from Baccara and literally were 8's 9's) My attractive Korean American friend would literally be offered to go eat with the girls after sex and the girls would pay for the food. They would even pay for his taxi and club fees if he didn't have change. Girls would make out openly with him at bars and clubs. Sometimes they would just tell him to pay next time. I think Baccara girls only stay longtime 4 hours, but I would always see girls leaving from his room at like 10 am (we barfine them at like 9 pm) 1 Baccara model even agreed to come to Phuket with us to spend more time with him. On the other hand my unattractive friend often would go home with 5's 6's 7's. And they were very business like. Would only stay 3-4 hours longtime. And would never DFK or do anything extra with the guy. BBBJ was also hard to get from the girls for him. Some girls also did not want to do LT and only offer ST.
I guess since it's my first time here, I was wondering what kind of service the baccara girls provide to guys these days. On average for most girls, Is it more business like? Or do they all provide that GFE.
Danny Duck
05-31-20, 23:51
This post is about what happened back a couple of months ago in January before the whole world turned into a shit hole. So I went to visit Thailand for the first time in my life with 2 friends. We are all 28 years old and dentists from California. My first friend is Korean American and literally looks like a Korean actor. He has everything height (6 ft), swimmer body, good job, charismatic, nicest guy you will meet. My other friend did not get blessed with looks or genes, but is equally nice and respectful. He is short and overall not a very attractive guy (maybe a 6). I am somewhere in between.
The amount of difference I noticed in terms of the treatment received from the go go girls was astonishing (the 3 SHY girls he took are all from Baccara and literally were 8's 9's) My attractive Korean American friend would literally be offered to go eat with the girls after sex and the girls would pay for the food. They would even pay for his taxi and club fees if he didn't have change. Girls would make out openly with him at bars and clubs. Sometimes they would just tell him to pay next time. I think Baccara girls only stay longtime 4 hours, but I would always see girls leaving from his room at like 10 am (we barfine them at like 9 pm) 1 Baccara model even agreed to come to Phuket with us to spend more time with him. On the other hand my unattractive friend often would go home with 5's 6's 7's. And they were very business like. Would only stay 3-4 hours longtime. And would never DFK or do anything extra with the guy. BBBJ was also hard to get from the girls for him. Some girls also did not want to do LT and only offer ST.Not normal. Some guys really are Chick magnets.
The rest of us. We need to pay. LOL.
Bam Boom Bam
06-01-20, 05:29
This post is about what happened back a couple of months ago in January before the whole world turned into a shit hole. So I went to visit Thailand for the first time in my life with 2 friends. We are all 28 years old and dentists from California. My first friend is Korean American and literally looks like a Korean actor. He has everything height (6 ft), swimmer body, good job, charismatic, nicest guy you will meet. My other friend did not get blessed with looks or genes, but is equally nice and respectful. He is short and overall not a very attractive guy (maybe a 6). I am somewhere in between.
The amount of difference I noticed in terms of the treatment received from the go go girls was astonishing (the 3 SHY girls he took are all from Baccara and literally were 8's 9's) My attractive Korean American friend would literally be offered to go eat with the girls after sex and the girls would pay for the food. They would even pay for his taxi and club fees if he didn't have change. Girls would make out openly with him at bars and clubs. Sometimes they would just tell him to pay next time. I think Baccara girls only stay longtime 4 hours, but I would always see girls leaving from his room at like 10 am (we barfine them at like 9 pm) 1 Baccara model even agreed to come to Phuket with us to spend more time with him. On the other hand my unattractive friend often would go home with 5's 6's 7's. And they were very business like. Would only stay 3-4 hours longtime. And would never DFK or do anything extra with the guy. BBBJ was also hard to get from the girls for him. Some girls also did not want to do LT and only offer ST..I have not been to Baccara Bangkok so I cannot answer your question although I'm not so sure there is a good answer. At the same time, I think you kind of answered your own question. The service that is provided by the girl depends on the looks and the mannerisms of the customer?
Also, to me it is interesting that you provide details regarding your two friends but none pertaining to your own experiences with the girls.
When you were out together, was it fun for all three of you or just the handsome fellow?
This post is about what happened back a couple of months ago in January before the whole world turned into a shit hole. So I went to visit Thailand for the first time in my life with 2 friends. We are all 28 years old and dentists from California. My first friend is Korean American and literally looks like a Korean actor. He has everything height (6 ft), swimmer body, good job, charismatic, nicest guy you will meet. My other friend did not get blessed with looks or genes, but is equally nice and respectful. He is short and overall not a very attractive guy (maybe a 6). I am somewhere in between.
The amount of difference I noticed in terms of the treatment received from the go go girls was astonishing (the 3 SHY girls he took are all from Baccara and literally were 8's 9's) My attractive Korean American friend would literally be offered to go eat with the girls after sex and the girls would pay for the food. They would even pay for his taxi and club fees if he didn't have change. Girls would make out openly with him at bars and clubs. Sometimes they would just tell him to pay next time.No offense meant to him, but it sounds like they may have thought your Korean friend was gay. Those girls love hanging out with gays. They even like to engage in sex with them for a lark. Maybe they were kissing him in public as a joke since they thought he was gay? These girls have a great sense of humor.
As far as your unattractive friend only getting 5's, 6's and 7's, that's his own fault. All you need to do is offer to bar fine them and you can take any girl in the place home. The 9's are the same bar fine as the 5's. I'm about one inch in height from qualifying to be a midget, fat, old, skin ruined from the sun. But I can easily pull the best looking girl in Baccara any time I want (as long as she is available at the time). Anyone can as far as I know. Just grab the mamasan, point out the girl you want and tell the mamasan you want to bar fine that girl. The mamasan will make sure you are taking that girl home within a few minutes. It's basically a brothel, not a disco with free lancers. Hell, that's why I go to Thailand. Even a guy like me can get any girl he wants.
For the most part, the girls will stay long time if you pay them for long time. They will stay short time if you pay them for short time. As far as I can remember, I have never had any of the Baccara girls demand to use a condom for the BJ. But sometimes they do want a condom for vaginal sex. I find the girls upstairs to be wilder in bed than the girls downstairs. A lot of good rimmers work upstairs there, and I love that. I do wash my ass before they rim me.
I hope this helps.
Not normal. Some guys really are Chick magnets.
The rest of us. We need to pay. LOL.Were you Harold444 in your prior life? Your writings and delivery are exactly the same as Harold's.
This post is about what happened back a couple of months ago in January before the whole world turned into a shit hole. So I went to visit Thailand for the first time in my life with 2 friends. We are all 28 years old and dentists from California. My first friend is Korean American and literally looks like a Korean actor. He has everything height (6 ft), swimmer body, good job, charismatic, nicest guy you will meet. My other friend did not get blessed with looks or genes, but is equally nice and respectful. He is short and overall not a very attractive guy (maybe a 6). I am somewhere in between.
The amount of difference I noticed in terms of the treatment received from the go go girls was astonishing (the 3 SHY girls he took are all from Baccara and literally were 8's 9's) My attractive Korean American friend would literally be offered to go eat with the girls after sex and the girls would pay for the food. They would even pay for his taxi and club fees if he didn't have change. Girls would make out openly with him at bars and clubs. Sometimes they would just tell him to pay next time. I think Baccara girls only stay longtime 4 hours, but I would always see girls leaving from his room at like 10 am (we barfine them at like 9 pm) 1 Baccara model even agreed to come to Phuket with us to spend more time with him. On the other hand my unattractive friend often would go home with 5's 6's 7's. And they were very business like. Would only stay 3-4 hours longtime. And would never DFK or do anything extra with the guy. BBBJ was also hard to get from the girls for him. Some girls also did not want to do LT and only offer ST.
I guess since it's my first time here, I was wondering what kind of service the baccara girls provide to guys these days. On average for most girls, Is it more business like? Or do they all provide that GFE.Whether the special, openly public "treatment" your handsome friend got was because the girls thought he was gay, he was indeed just a great guy, the girls were genuinely smitten by him or he was the kind of trophy customer many P4P girls like to show off after more commonly being seen walking out of their place of business or into their favorite eateries with fat or scrawny old coots with faces that make small children cry, all of the stuff you cited is nice window dressing. But it does not really address your post's subject title/question:
What is the normal service at Baccara?
Aside from the "never DFK" you say was the case for your unattractive friend, is there any reason for you to think your handsome friend got hassle-free, no discussion BBFS+CIP, BBBJ+CIM+Swallow or anything else of significance that is not "normally" on the menu for practically any customer with practically any girls of any level of attractiveness in that or any other go-go bar in Bangkok provided, as Smoothy pointed out, the customer has the money to pay the barfine and the girl's acceptable fee? Of course, an even more impressive bit of evidence would be if your handsome friend didn't even risk a "go with the flow" approach to getting that kind of significantly better than normal service from those 8's and 9's and instead asked them for it upfront in the bar and got a resounding "Yes" before he even paid the barfine. A resounding "Yes" with no demand for an additional amount for their fee would be even more impressive. Free would be most impressive.
But it is also possible that neither of your friends wanted or expected anything more than the usual Thai P4P style covered FS fare with those girls in the room. If that is the case I'd say each probably got the same "normal" service from the girls they took, the same service any customer would easily get without missing a beat unless the girl was an outright scammer.
Naturally, nobody will ever really know what happened behind closed doors for other punters in these matters. But you didn't say anything about what the handsome guy at least claimed to have gotten in terms of actual P4P "service" in the privacy of his room vs what you or your unattractive friend got.
Never thought I would see cam show services in Bkk but well then I found this chick in TF who send me her menu literally. Not sure who would want to pay 600 b to watch girl put dildo in her pussy for 20 minutes in a city where pussies to fuck are everywhere.
Never thought I would see cam show services in Bkk but well then I found this chick in TF who send me her menu literally. Not sure who would want to pay 600 b to watch girl put dildo in her pussy for 20 minutes in a city where pussies to fuck are everywhere.Do you notice that she has price by Euro? I think that must be for customers not in Bangkok.
I guess since it's my first time here, I was wondering what kind of service the baccara girls provide to guys these days. On average for most girls, Is it more business like? Or do they all provide that GFE.Simple answer is that it is more business like.
My attractive Korean American friend would literally be offered to go eat with the girls after sex and the girls would pay for the food. They would even pay for his taxi and club fees if he didn't have change. Girls would make out openly with him at bars and clubs. Sometimes they would just tell him to pay next time. I think Baccara girls only stay longtime 4 hours, but I would always see girls leaving from his room at like 10 am (we barfine them at like 9 pm)The only explanation that makes sense is smoothy's explanation. I am really more curious on your your friend's look. I bet there would be no shortage of freebies for him in US based on your description.
1 Baccara model even agreed to come to Phuket with us to spend more time with him.
Did she offer to come for free? If not, that is nothing new.
On the other hand my unattractive friend often would go home with 5's 6's 7's. And they were very business like. Would only stay 3-4 hours longtime. And would never DFK or do anything extra with the guy. BBBJ was also hard to get from the girls for him. Some girls also did not want to do LT and only offer ST.
Why wouldn't your unattractive friend pick 8's or 9's? There are a few that will refuse customer, but it is still not difficult to pick other girls at similar level. That is the beauty of paid sex.
Do you notice that she has price by Euro? I think that must be for customers not in Bangkok.That actually makes sense.
Never thought I would see cam show services in Bkk but well then I found this chick in TF who send me her menu literally. Not sure who would want to pay 600 b to watch girl put dildo in her pussy for 20 minutes in a city where pussies to fuck are everywhere.I've met this girl (QLee) in person. She finds customers on Thai friendly mostly. She will meet if you want. She charges 2500 for 4-5 hours and as many pops as you can handle. Usually I won't pay that much, but she was actually worth it. Nice body and will work hard with PSE the whole time. She is open to WHATEVER you are into. Or at least that's my experience. Last time when I talked to her she said she had been doing ok with online video chat income. So apparently enough people are willing to pay. Not me. There's lots of porn online, and still plenty of girls to meet in person. She did offer to give me a discount if we made some video of us fucking for her to use online. 1st time that's been offered to me, 555! But I'm not into any footage of me floating around on the internet.
Franciscass
06-05-20, 13:28
A stroll around lower Sukhumvit, Soi Nana this afternoon, early evening and I got to say if there is ever a need to cast a Frank miller dystopian post-apocalyptic Bangkok movie all the extras needed were on display. Totally understand there are in normal times memorable experiences to be had on the street alas with the shutdown and most girls somewhere else it was sad scene.
Danny Duck
06-05-20, 20:45
Thailand should sign on with Trump not Ji Jiang Ping. Oh well.
Thailand is trying do hard to destroy itself.
Member #4733
06-06-20, 14:13
I guess since it's my first time here, I was wondering what kind of service the Baccara girls provide to guys these days. On average for most girls, Is it more business like? Or do they all provide that GFE.A lot has already been posted to this question of yours but I think I could still contribute my two cents. When I was in Baccara the girls almost all looked at Asians. I was in a seat below the other seats most of the time and thought they just stared in the distance. Then I took a seat higher up a few times and now girls stared at the Asians below me. So the Asians definitely have an advantage. When going there for the first time a lot of 6's and 7's approached me for a drink. I simply declined. Now, what can explain the first difference between your friends is that your Korean friend got looks from beauties and you did not. You were, as I was, approached by 6's and 7's. The easiest way to handle that is already mentioned: decline the 6's and 7's and select the girl you like and offer her a drink. Best way I think is to do that when she starts dancing and tell the mamasan her number. Now the very special treatment your friend was getting can have two reasons. First he is Asian and that is an advantage. It is not 100% business like. With him they will feel less prostitute than with an (old) Western guy. A little bit of history will tell you that Thai didn't like the Japanese to take over their country in the WW II but they surely liked to see fellow Asians beat Russians, English, French and Dutch, any others. That is still around in general. They might like the occasional Western guy but generally mix easier with Asians. And adding to that the girls generally have problems with the size of our dick. In December I had a girl that could only scream and my lube really didn't help her much. Second, he is nice. It is not just business like. A nice guy can get extras. Especially if the girls start talking among each other about how attractive one of the guys is. That guy will become popular and may get special treatment. You can have this treatment too but you got to be lucky. Best thing you could do is to barfine one lady a few times and build some chemistry or spend a of lot of lady drinks on her and her friends (maybe around 200 dollars as I saw one guy doing so). So you will have to pay more to get a likewise treatment.
Danny Duck
06-06-20, 18:02
Respect the Thai girl means gives good healthy dose of baht.
............. And adding to that the girls generally have problems with the size of our dick. .......I have said this in the past but some posters here seemed to have disagreed. I have always had problems with girls being astonished about dick size in China and Thailand. Thailand was one of the very few countries in which I had non-pro girlfriends and none of them ever had problems with length or girth, in fact they loved it. However, many working girls either whined or made faces upon seeing my johnson. What gives?
Danny Duck
06-07-20, 21:27
I have said this in the past but some posters here seemed to have disagreed. I have always had problems with girls being astonished about dick size in China and Thailand. Thailand was one of the very few countries in which I had non-pro girlfriends and none of them ever had problems with length or girth, in fact they loved it. However, many working girls either whined or made faces upon seeing my johnson. What gives?Working girls are not in it for the Pleasure.
Don't believe when you hear guys say they made a girl Cum after.
It's all a male who thing.
I have said this in the past but some posters here seemed to have disagreed. I have always had problems with girls being astonished about dick size in China and Thailand. Thailand was one of the very few countries in which I had non-pro girlfriends and none of them ever had problems with length or girth, in fact they loved it. However, many working girls either whined or made faces upon seeing my johnson. What gives?Seems pretty logical that your girlfriends would like your big dick. Otherwise they would not have become your girlfriend right? The ones that didn't like your big dick decided not to stick around. The hookers from thailand don't really have a choice. Hence you you get some complainers. You pay them they fuck you.
A lot has already been posted to this question of yours but I think I could still contribute my two cents. When I was in Baccara the girls almost all looked at Asians. I was in a seat below the other seats most of the time and thought they just stared in the distance. Then I took a seat higher up a few times and now girls stared at the Asians below me. So the Asians definitely have an advantage. When going there for the first time a lot of 6's and 7's approached me for a drink. I simply declined. Now, what can explain the first difference between your friends is that your Korean friend got looks from beauties and you did not. You were, as I was, approached by 6's and 7's. The easiest way to handle that is already mentioned: decline the 6's and 7's and select the girl you like and offer her a drink. Best way I think is to do that when she starts dancing and tell the mamasan her number. Now the very special treatment your friend was getting can have two reasons. First he is Asian and that is an advantage. It is not 100% business like. With him they will feel less prostitute than with an (old) Western guy. A little bit of history will tell you that Thai didn't like the Japanese to take over their country in the WW II but they surely liked to see fellow Asians beat Russians, English, French and Dutch, any others. That is still around in general. They might like the occasional Western guy but generally mix easier with Asians. And adding to that the girls generally have problems with the size of our dick. In December I had a girl that could only scream and my lube really didn't help her much. Second, he is nice. It is not just business like. A nice guy can get extras. Especially if the girls start talking among each other about how attractive one of the guys is. That guy will become popular and may get special treatment. You can have this treatment too but you got to be lucky. Best thing you could do is to barfine one lady a few times and build some chemistry or spend a of lot of lady drinks on her and her friends (maybe around 200 dollars as I saw one guy doing so). So you will have to pay more to get a likewise treatment.You're true and not true! For instance, last time I was in Mandarin gogo in bkk on nana plaza, and I wanted a girl so much! But she was already busy with a chinese guy! I went to sit near the chinese guy with that girl! He was spending a lot of money for her in lady drinks! I saw she was playing with him a lot to get a lot of money! And me I was seating just near her alone with my orange juice! And the guy was little bit drunk and the girl too little bit! And I started to touch her when she was on him very discretely! And she didn't say me anything! Then after 15 minutes, the guy spent a lot of money in drinks and of course he wanted fuck her! So like always, she told him to wait her, and she go see the mamasan and take her bag to go in room outside the gogo. I follow quickly in the gogo when she was going to take her bag! And I told very quickly that I really wanted to fuck her!
And she told with a big smile, to wait for her because she has to go fuck with him for short time! And I asked her how long it would be about? And she told me "don't worry, in 30 min I'll be back" ! And it was true, less 40 min after whe was back and with me she was great! I just paid her 1 drink! She told me she was already drunk because of the Chinese man and she told me she didn't like him but she got big money with him! And then she kissed me so much and we went to the room I paid her 2000 for short time, but we stayed much more than 1 hour in the room and she let me fuck her bareback! And the next day she was back in my hotel this time and I fucked her again for a long time 3000 !
To quote an idiot currently in office: "I've never had a problem in hat regard".
I've found that pay for play as well as amateur gals have all appreciated my average sized but apparently somewhat nicker than average tool. Western women rarely comment, they just try and enjoy. Asians however have differing but mostly positive reactions.
My favorite is when they kind of weigh my attentive soldier as if they are at the local produce market and a grin passes over their faces as they utter the words "oh, very strong!
They also like to inspect the quantity of ejaculate, either inside the used condom or dripping down from their lips. A solid cum drop usually makes the girl feel like she's given the pleasure we both expected, and somehow validates her own expertise.
That being said, the myth of the monster 8" cock tearing them apart sparks fear. Most of these ladies have produced an at least 2. 8 kg baby out of the same place they think they can't take a 6-8" fleshy cylinder. It's physics ladies!
Seems pretty logical that your girlfriends would like your big dick. Otherwise they would not have become your girlfriend right? The ones that didn't like your big dick decided not to stick around. The hookers from thailand don't really have a choice. Hence you you get some complainers. You pay them they fuck you.
........... The ones that didn't like your big dick decided not to stick around............Actually I've never had a non-pro anywhere in the world decide not to stick around because of its size.
Member #4733
06-08-20, 20:17
You're true and not true! For instance, last time I was in Mandarin gogo in bkk on nana plaza, and I wanted a girl so much! But she was already busy with a chinese guy!First, a nice story. Second, Thai people think Chinese people are impolite, to say the least. So, occasionally they will prefer Westerners above Asians. Good for you. And maybe for me too. I will at least remember that I might beat a Chinese guy!
At Others. Even in FKK / SC land some girls refuse to fuck large shaped guys. I had almost only positive comments but one girl really was not very happy. Another one could only just have me. And it's not about them telling. But looking at their faces or even screaming or constantly adding extra lube. Sure tell signs. They explained a 'boyfriend dick' to me. It is not so big that it is hard to handle for them but not so small they don't feel too much. A FKK / SC girl usually fucks several guys on one shift and if she starts with a guy with a big dick she might be sensitive all day. Pretty hard for her.
First, a nice story. Second, Thai people think Chinese people are impolite, to say the least. So, occasionally they will prefer Westerners above Asians. Good for you. And maybe for me too. I will at least remember that I might beat a Chinese guy!
At Others. Even in FKK / SC land some girls refuse to fuck large shaped guys. I had almost only positive comments but one girl really was not very happy. Another one could only just have me. And it's not about them telling. But looking at their faces or even screaming or constantly adding extra lube. Sure tell signs. They explained a 'boyfriend dick' to me. It is not so big that it is hard to handle for them but not so small they don't feel too much. A FKK / SC girl usually fucks several guys on one shift and if she starts with a guy with a big dick she might be sensitive all day. Pretty hard for her.Anyway show them the money and they'll come to you Chinese or not! The problem is most of the time, yes girls focus only on Chinese only because they think they're so rich! Though they hate Chinese, Malaysian men. They just go for the money because Chinese can pay easily 7000 plus drinks. But yes if you're handsome or good with her she ll go with you for cheaper. But usually if you show them the money they come to you easily!
In Artbox night market on Sukhumvit Soi 10 with my honey now and the place is fairly packed with customers at the back of the market near Box Bar. One might even suspect everyone is drinking beer out of those plastic cups.
At about 8:15 pm I walked past Thermae alone and saw a cluster of about 20 girls standing outside. In my judgement at least a half dozen of them would qualify as top tier Covered BJ and Covered FS types one would usually see inside Thermae on a normal night.
And, wonder of wonders, 2-3 of the top tier ones actually looked at me, smiled and nodded their head in a take me gesture as I walked by. I was on my way to meet a regular sweetie so I was not interested in taking one, not that either one of those aforementioned activities is my thing anyway and I wasn't in the mood to go into a Yes or No exchange on anything tonight. I want it to be a given without discussion tonight. Hence, the regular repeat sweetie at my side now.
Anyway, just passing along a quick boots on the ground update on the scene right now for anyone in town able to partake.
Anyway show them the money and they'll come to you Chinese or not! The problem is most of the time, yes girls focus only on Chinese only because they think they're so rich! Though they hate Chinese, Malaysian men. They just go for the money because Chinese can pay easily 7000 plus drinks. But yes if you're handsome or good with her she ll go with you for cheaper. But usually if you show them the money they come to you easily!What about Chinese Americans, Hong Kong, Japanese, Singaporeans, Koreans. What about other East Asians or foreign born East Asians. Do the Thai girl hate them, but think they are rich? I'm pretty sure, like us guys, the girls choose what they are attracted to the most and can pay.
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At about 8:15 pm I walked past Thermae alone and saw a cluster of about 20 girls standing outside. In my judgement at least a half dozen of them would qualify as top tier Covered BJ and Covered FS types one would usually see inside Thermae on a normal night.
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Just the other day saw few standing outside thermae, not 20 but around 10-12. None of them looked like usual top tier of thermae, but interestingly none looked like lb either, considering pre covid that was the spot for lbs. I will be quite surprised if the better looking ones of thermae going to stand outside it, considering their usual clientele is not around. But to be fair they have no idea when asians with other tourists will come back.
Just the other day saw few standing outside thermae, not 20 but around 10-12. None of them looked like usual top tier of thermae, but interestingly none looked like lb either, considering pre covid that was the spot for lbs. I will be quite surprised if the better looking ones of thermae going to stand outside it, considering their usual clientele is not around. But to be fair they have no idea when asians with other tourists will come back.I often walk by Thermae after 8pm or so. Tonight was unusual in the overall number of girls and of the number of much better looking girls standing outside compared to previous nights. That is what prompted me to post a report about it.
I also walked down Soi 4 at that same hour (8pm - 9pm) and was surprised to see 2-3 much better looking than usual girls standing there looking for customers. Again, that small number was a notable improvement from just yesterday and the day before.
Friday night, more pedestrian traffic on the sois due to more stores, massage shops, restaurants with seating and so on reopening, word getting out about that. I think a lot things were coming together tonight to make a difference.
Even the report out today that the curfew will be lifted Monday is likely to have triggered an influx of new faces on the scene on the awareness that things are now just a couple of days away rather than months away from getting better for street girls and the group gathering in front of Thermae.
Franciscass
06-13-20, 03:08
I often walk by Thermae after 8pm or so. Tonight was unusual in the overall number of girls and of the number of much better looking girls standing outside compared to previous nights. That is what prompted me to post a report about it.
I also walked down Soi 4 at that same hour (8pm - 9pm) and was surprised to see 2-3 much better looking than usual girls standing there looking for customers. Again, that small number was a notable improvement from just yesterday and the day before.
Friday night, more pedestrian traffic on the sois due to more stores, massage shops, restaurants with seating and so on reopening, word getting out about that. I think a lot things were coming together tonight to make a difference.
Even the report out today that the curfew will be lifted Monday is likely to have triggered an influx of new faces on the scene on the awareness that things are now just a couple of days away rather than months away from getting better for street girls and the group gathering in front of Thermae.Noticed that myself ET but where will business for these girls come from with the country still shut down. Some of us are still here are doing our bit but despite prolific practitioners like yourself are we enough to go around.
Seems perhaps from July 1st some nationalities will be allowed back in sans quarantine requirements but limited to just a few and mostly Asian.
There is pressure on the uniforms to open up but if they insist this will be dependent on countries getting to particular infection metrics I sadly don't see "farangs" allowed in anytime soon. Seems the policy in the west where it is not yet contained is to live with a certain level of Covid until a vaccine is available. It may change just have to wait and see.
Koalie2001
06-13-20, 16:19
Since there is so little on what is, how about some reminisce of what was.
This does nothing to help people find what they want in the present day (or in the near future), but it helps to remember why Bangkok will always be a place unique to itself.
Living close to Bangkok in SE Asia, but not in Bangkok itself, it was always easy for me to route myself through Bangkok when flying to Europe. First let of the flight could land in Bangkok between 5 and 8 pm, leaving time for an adventure or 3, before the flights to Europe departed between 11:30 pm and 2 am. Certainly, with such short stats, any immigration queue, taxi queue, or traffic, ate into precious time. But more often than not, everything worked well.
I am talking about Bangkok in the early 2000's. It was still Bangkok much as it was since I first arrived there as someone green to Asia in 1987. When making these 3-6 hour stopovers, it was super easy to find anything one wanted in the quantity wanted. A quick (well 90 minute) trip to Eden was easy to do, and still fun to do at that time, with many attractive ladies including the incredible lady with the large fish tattoo on her back. I remember a few as I spent more time than I should have in Eden at that time. I recall the ending of Marc's time in Eden when I am saw him on a flight to another city in Asia, when he was not looking so well. Eden was an easy first stop, but more directly, it was much easier to pull from Go-Go's at that time. You could walk in and within 15 minute have someone of good attractiveness with you and willing to go. There were times within those few hours of stopovers, that I could manage two go-go pulls, without sacrificing on the time in the short time room -- could get the full hour twice, and still make the flight.
It was later in the 2000's, when this started to change in Soi Cowboy when I was in the set of bars opposite to Bacara, when they started to have the Coyotes. I was completely caught by surprise the first time I was speaking with someone and asked her to go with me, when she said no, she doesn't do that, and then identified the uniforms of the dancers who could go ST with customers. Needless to say, this was not easy news to digest, and it made me stay away from that section of Soi Cowboy as time was precious and the great fun of being in a gogo is believing you have a chance at anyone in the bar. That is not 100% true, but it was more often true than not true.
Although it is clear from the board that many options exist today, from online, to massages, and to kapoo, which few people mention but still has appeal to me, the great differentiator in Bangkok, aside from the wonderful (for the most part) demeanor of Bangkok ladies, has been the gogos. I can't count the number of hours I spent entranced by butts and breasts of all shapes and sizes, either pre-pull or in the after glow of a good session, but it was an irreplaceable experience, which only fills me with regret that I did not spend more time in Bangkok post-1987 and pre-2000. It is what it was.
What it was when it worked was amazing. Aside from the visual splendor, it was also a remarkably fluid market that at that time still worked in the buyers favor. Another attraction of the gogos to me is that the supply was always greater than the demand, making the mama and dancers work to sell and then performance was less a question. Transactions could be completed quickly and satisfactorily.
An example is another time around 2008, I think, when I was staying in Livingstone's for a couple of days of leisure in Bangkok. Aside from its convenience of location, Livingstone's was great for not making any fuss over who you brought into your room. Price was fair and rooms were of a good quality. The pool and pool bar were a decent place to hang out, and the pool bar always served as an emergency reservoir of talent, albeit a short walk to Soi 33 could readily solve that problem as well. I stayed in Livingstone frequently and another advantage of it was that I could stash some smokables in various nocks and crannies (behind A / see condensors outside or in the roof tiling of the laundry closet). This means I did not have to make my routine visit to Patpong to buy from an old grey-haired, kinda cool DJ in one of the quieter bars on the street, whose name I don't know. (he even sold to me when there was the small bombings near the BTS lines, and police were deployed in Silom, but another story for another day).
In any case, having this with me, added an extra charge (as if it was needed) to the search for women to take back to Livingstone's. On this particular day, I began early in Soi Cowboy, maybe around 8 pm. I found someone quickly, super fit for my taste, we were back at Livingstone's by about 8:30, she showered, I smoked, and then we did what we do. I must have had more than I thought as I recall her laughing or smiling at how intensely I was starting at her and admiring her flawless figure -- short, maybe 150 cm, great breasts and flawless belly. It took all my willpower not to charge to the end, but instead to enjoy each step within the hour provided (which was my goal). We finish, I shower again, she is gone and it is off to Nana. Grab another, I have no idea from where and back to Livingstone's. Same pattern, we do what we want to do and finish by 11+, I guess.
Next, was back to Cowboy. Three pulls in one day, especially when each has me finish (there is no rule that you have to finish with every girl or group of girls you take, especially if one wants to increase volume, but again a story for another time), is a lot for me, but then again, the magic of the smoke and now the sustaining power of the Vitamin see or V don't know which was the selected supplement on the day, let credibility to my urge to pull another. It happened. And round 3 was finished by 12:30 or 1.
Now I am tired, but not too tired, and not living in Bangkok, I never want to waste a minute. I have another smoke and head to Nana. This one I remember very clearly. I was in Erotica, which was one of my favorite quiet bars. I was on the upper floor version. I recall one time when I was there and saw four or five dancers on the stage and thought, yep, I have been with all of them, not that they would remember me, but who knows.
I arrived at Erotica and sat in the back row (three tiers of blue seats). Was minding my own business, simply chilling in the true sense of the word. But one dancer with an absolutely incredible butt is flirting with me. I never expect such, but never refuse such. She sits with me and it is clear that she has been enjoying more than her fair share of customer drinks. Fortunately, she seems a couple of shots short of full, meaning pass out if a possibility but not a likelihood. She insists to go with me, such is the power of the dollar and who am I to refuse?
When the bar is closing, we go back to my room, and it should not be to anyone's surprise the pattern repeats although this time I smoke (taking care to exhale out the window, which faced Soi 33 (another odd fact to remember), and then we got into it. Not sure how long it lasted, but it was satisfied and it used the last of her energy. She passed out, but she was so cruel as to pass out on her stomach leaving that incredible butt exposed to me. What to do, but finish what I had left (2 more smokes, for lack of a better word not sure what bans here). I had one, and could not keep my eyes off her butt. It was to enticing, I could not resist but I could not disturb her, so I thought I would supplement it with some porn. On with the porn, whatever was available, and now was the time to take care of myself with two great visual, but that butt -- wow! Finished myself, and thought time to sleep, but for whatever reason I could not sleep. Same routine, finished what I had left, and still that butt! Repeat again, and surprisingly could maintain strength long enough and easily enough to finish again. First and only time in my life I have ever finished six times in one my life and I can promise at that time I was close to 60 than I was to 30.
By now it must have been 4 or 5 am, I don't know. All I know is I remembered to close the laptop, turn down all the lights from dim to dark, took one last look at that butt, said my thank you's to Bangkok, and slept as well as I can sleep.
Noticed that myself ET but where will business for these girls come from with the country still shut down. Some of us are still here are doing our bit but despite prolific practitioners like yourself are we enough to go around.
...That is a good question, Franciscass. As it is right now those girls standing outside Thermae at the 8pm-9pm hour have very few potential customers to deal with. Some of the better lookers might lose interest and disappear from the street again after their curiosity has been satisfied about their chances of making a living 100% on their pre Covid terms for the time being.
For every one rare potential customer walking by there are 20 girls vying for his attention. Does this mean the 5-6 very hot ones are going to agree to, for instance, the kind of True GFE/Real Sex I would be willing to pay for? I have no idea yet since right up until today, Sunday, I have been busy almost every day with fully vetted favorite repeats deserving of my time and money during these tough times with a sprinkling of significantly vetted new dating site girls and I have not had the time or extra ejaculate available to find out.
Up until a week or two ago I can report that the very few better lookers that were still hanging out on Sukhumvit and Soi 4 had no problem saying No to BBFS with this farang any time of the evening for any reasonable amount of money. So I am guessing the response is the same if not worse for the very recent influx of lookers standing outside Thermae. For me, that is.
So imo these Thai girls are not suffering for lack of customers and P4P income nearly as much as we might think or as much as they'd like us to think. Offer them a week's pay under normal times for something off the usual meager basic standard fare menu offerings and they can and will say No and watch that money walk away as easily as they ever did in the past.
Just the other day saw few standing outside thermae, not 20 but around 10-12. None of them looked like usual top tier of thermae, but interestingly none looked like lb either, considering pre covid that was the spot for lbs. I will be quite surprised if the better looking ones of thermae going to stand outside it, considering their usual clientele is not around. But to be fair they have no idea when asians with other tourists will come back.Previously I was in BKK for a few days dealing with some Embassy shit. I stayed in a condo behind Korea town near Condoms and Cabbages. I did the track every night from Korea town (peering across the street at Thermae), down Sukhumvit, cut in behind Lolitas onto Soi 4, down to a closed Nana, hopped over to other side of Sukhumvit and McDonald's, quick dash into 7/1, quicker dash out of 7/1, and back down to Thermae and finally quit near the Westin.
Did not see anything but a bunch of scary ladyboys, few unsure of Filipinos or Filipina near Nana, and a bunch of low end chicks in a few spots here and there and near Thermae. The same ones everyday I was there wearing the same clothes everyday. 4 days spent, and only 1 average standing in front of Thermae girl for 1500. Service was meh. I wouldn't have taken her if I saw her standing inside, but I needed to lose a load and she looked decent with clothes on. Clothes off she was about average, 5 or 6 for me. Probably 7-8 to most. Not sure what some of the guys who are talking about "better looking" or "hot girls" standing outside in the heat in Bangkok. Even in Pattaya, most of the smarter ones and more decent looking ones mainly work all online.
Not sure what some of the guys who are talking about "better looking" or "hot girls" standing outside in the heat in Bangkok. Even in Pattaya, most of the smarter ones and more decent looking ones mainly work all online.Not sure when were you in bkk but I saw some better looking girls than covid-lockdown-usual quality yesterday around soi 4 and thermae. It was Saturday, and everyone is talking that curfew is ending on Monday. So that will bring few of hookers back in game.
And the online things like TF / tinder existed before covid, but still thermae was full of hot girls. Some girls just prefer to choose their customers by seeing them in person, it's that simple. Saying that I never pick any wg from streets in Thailand, no matter how hot. So I will wait for them to be standing under a roof before I pick them. Till then Tinder matches are just going fine. And I stopped using TF, just don't like the quality of girls over here in bkk. Tinder has way better options from what I've seen.
Not sure when were you in bkk but I saw some better looking girls than covid-lockdown-usual quality yesterday around soi 4 and thermae. It was Saturday, and everyone is talking that curfew is ending on Monday. So that will bring few of hookers back in game.
And the online things like TF / tinder existed before covid, but still thermae was full of hot girls. Some girls just prefer to choose their customers by seeing them in person, it's that simple. Saying that I never pick any wg from streets in Thailand, no matter how hot. So I will wait for them to be standing under a roof before I pick them. Till then Tinder matches are just going fine. And I stopped using TF, just don't like the quality of girls over here in bkk. Tinder has way better options from what I've seen.This is where we separate the big boys from the rest of the group. We need spies. Hidden cameras, photos, stealth and stuff. Somebody show us what's the talent level and what's really on the ground in BKK. It's 2020 and for most part in the BKK thread we get what? Let's go back a read a few pages. Does anybody truly "hunt" anymore? Anyways, I frequented Thermae quite a bit and probably have taken over 80 or so girls in there. To be honest, there are some cute but very few to the level of hotness except for May (multi pics). May is what I consider hot, not many flaws. The others that I have included are decent to cute.
I've heard there are some places open on Soi Cowboy selling non alcoholic beverages. Anyone been there recently? Could be worth checking out once the curfew is lifted on Monday.
Franciscass
06-14-20, 09:37
That is a good question, Franciscass. As it is right now those girls standing outside Thermae at the 8pm-9pm hour have very few potential customers to deal with. Some of the better lookers might lose interest and disappear from the street again after their curiosity has been satisfied about their chances of making a living 100% on their pre Covid terms for the time being.
For every one rare potential customer walking by there are 20 girls vying for his attention. Does this mean the 5-6 very hot ones are going to agree to, for instance, the kind of True GFE/Real Sex I would be willing to pay for? I have no idea yet since right up until today, Sunday, I have been busy almost every day with fully vetted favorite repeats deserving of my time and money during these tough times with a sprinkling of significantly vetted new dating site girls and I have not had the time or extra ejaculate available to find out.
Up until a week or two ago I can report that the very few better lookers that were still hanging out on Sukhumvit and Soi 4 had no problem saying No to BBFS with this farang any time of the evening for any reasonable amount of money. So I am guessing the response is the same if not worse for the very recent influx of lookers standing outside Thermae. For me, that is..If I understand your post correctly you seem somewhat surprised ET that girls who have red lines about unprotected sex are not abandoning these now that business is hard to come by.
Why would they?
Why should they?
It would be sad and unfortunate if now that business has all but dried up they had to forego their standards to pay the rent.
The usual there is little or no risk chatter can be inserted into the conversation here but bottom line these girls care about their health and are not prepared to take chances which incidentally data shows are not imaginary.
I am also a little surprised ET that you seem to describe anything other than BBFS "meager basic standard fare". I get it, BB is what you need but I believe for most punters the wearing of a condom is not a game changer and does not make the difference between a good session and one less so and also not going BB is not her way of saying I don't care whether you have a good time or not.
No doubt BB is preferable but for me at least there is a lot more going on than sticking my dick in her pussy. It includes teasing, foreplay, kissing (precovid), rimming, BBBJ, massage, anal (covered) games / uniforms role playing and so on. Satisfaction also very much depends on the personality of the girl, her overall experience and technique, her looks and her enthusiasm in giving you a good time.
Maybe I picked you up wrong ET I don't know. The main point of your post I do agree with which is that they are very few customers for the girls whether they do BB or not.
Actually the curfew ends tonight so I might go for a walk about.
https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30389608?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=internal_referral
Danny Duck
06-14-20, 20:05
If I understand your post correctly you seem somewhat surprised ET that girls who have red lines about unprotected sex are not abandoning these now that business is hard to come by.
Why would they?
Why should they?
It would be sad and unfortunate if now that business has all but dried up they had to forego their standards to pay the rent.
The usual there is little or no risk chatter can be inserted into the conversation here but bottom line these girls care about their health and are not prepared to take chances which incidentally data shows are not imaginary.
I am also a little surprised ET that you seem to describe anything other than BBFS "meager basic standard fare". I get it, BB is what you need but I believe for most punters the wearing of a condom is not a game changer and does not make the difference between a good session and one less so and also not going BB is not her way of saying I don't care whether you have a good time or not.
No doubt BB is preferable but for me at least there is a lot more going on than sticking my dick in her pussy. It includes teasing, foreplay, kissing (precovid), rimming, BBBJ, massage, anal (covered) games / uniforms role playing and so on. Satisfaction also very much depends on the personality of the girl, her overall experience and technique, her looks and her enthusiasm in giving you a good time.
Maybe I picked you up wrong ET I don't know. The main point of your post I do agree with which is that they are very few customers for the girls whether they do BB or not.What I don't get is why a 70 year who can get freebies with hot 25 year olds easy as pie is even looking to pay.
I have to imagine it's much better for the Ego to get it Free.
This is where we separate the big boys from the rest of the group. We need spies. Hidden cameras, photos, stealth and stuff. Somebody show us what's the talent level and what's really on the ground in BKK. It's 2020 and for most part in the BKK thread we get what? Let's go back a read a few pages. Does anybody truly "hunt" anymore? Anyways, I frequented Thermae quite a bit and probably have taken over 80 or so girls in there. To be honest, there are some cute but very few to the level of hotness except for May (multi pics). May is what I consider hot, not many flaws. The others that I have included are decent to cute.Hotness is subjective. My read is that hotter girls are out more recently when you are not in BKK. Before that, the selection was not good and that is consistent with your experience when you were in BKK.
It's 2020, is it so unreasonable to ask that those in Bangkok be able to snap a few pictures of the scene or what's going on in and around Sukhumvit, Thermae, Nana? People act like the camera on their phones aren't working. Guys have no problem going up to a girl asking for BBFS, but yet snapping a photo here and there might be too embarrassing. Geez.
Just pretend you are texting, zoom in, and hit the snap photo button.
What I don't get is why a 70 year who can get freebies with hot 25 year olds easy as pie is even looking to pay.
I have to imagine it's much better for the Ego to get it Free.For the ease of variety that paying offers. Same reason most punters exist instead of just settling down with a wife or girlfriend and expecting all their sexual needs to be met right there in the same bed with the same lady day after day.
Freebies are not "easy as pie." Not good quality ones. Not for me anyway. You might have read that idea expressed on someone else's posts.
Good quality freebies are as rare as gold nuggets in a mountain stream.
Hi guys,
I would like to know if anyone of you would recommend a hot black girl non making drama. I live in BKK so would like to change from Thai girls, but heard so much about Black girl robbing money or not making drama during sex. Thanks.
If I understand your post correctly you seem somewhat surprised ET that girls who have red lines about unprotected sex are not abandoning these now that business is hard to come by.
Why would they?
Why should they?
It would be sad and unfortunate if now that business has all but dried up they had to forego their standards to pay the rent.
The usual there is little or no risk chatter can be inserted into the conversation here but bottom line these girls care about their health and are not prepared to take chances which incidentally data shows are not imaginary.
I am also a little surprised ET that you seem to describe anything other than BBFS "meager basic standard fare". I get it, BB is what you need but I believe for most punters the wearing of a condom is not a game changer and does not make the difference between a good session and one less so and also not going BB is not her way of saying I don't care whether you have a good time or not.
No doubt BB is preferable but for me at least there is a lot more going on than sticking my dick in her pussy. It includes teasing, foreplay, kissing (precovid), rimming, BBBJ, massage, anal (covered) games / uniforms role playing and so on. Satisfaction also very much depends on the personality of the girl, her overall experience and technique, her looks and her enthusiasm in giving you a good time.
Maybe I picked you up wrong ET I don't know. The main point of your post I do agree with which is that they are very few customers for the girls whether they do BB or not.I used what I am looking for in a session to make it worth paying for as a "for instance." For others, a deal killer might be No DFK, Covered BJ Only, etc. Some might even be put off by a Short Time being only 30-45 minutes with one pop instead of 90 minutes with 2 pops.
In the case of a typical better looking Thermae girl, at least the ones I have approached (and been invited to approach by their body language), just about all of the above restrictions and limitations were firmly in place. And I would define that as "meager basic standard fare" in the P4P world.
I would also submit that such restrictions and limitations can and do exist outside of Thermae's particular bar culture wherever enough low demand yet high paying customers prevail.
Late edit/addition: There is no reason that a girl "should" adapt to anything I want or any other customer wants re the above when or if they really need the money. Unless they insist on really needing the money from ME instead of the next guy the way they pretend to pitch their sale so often. Lol
Not sure when were you in bkk but I saw some better looking girls than covid-lockdown-usual quality yesterday around soi 4 and thermae. It was Saturday, and everyone is talking that curfew is ending on Monday. So that will bring few of hookers back in game.
And the online things like TF / tinder existed before covid, but still thermae was full of hot girls. Some girls just prefer to choose their customers by seeing them in person, it's that simple. Saying that I never pick any wg from streets in Thailand, no matter how hot. So I will wait for them to be standing under a roof before I pick them. Till then Tinder matches are just going fine. And I stopped using TF, just don't like the quality of girls over here in bkk. Tinder has way better options from what I've seen.Some good points there. The problem with online shopping is MANY girls can appear to be flawlessly beautiful or very close to it on their profile pics. If a girl is truly beautiful and wants to capitalize on her beauty, put herself way ahead of pack in order to score an eager, generous paying customer as quickly as possible without time and chat devoted to it, she needs to show up on the scene in person.
But on the idea that Thermae girls are "hot", "beautiful" or "top tier", I for one always try to frame it as "better looking Thermae girls" or "top tier Thermae girls" in the sense that those particular girls are better looking than most other girls working in Thermae that night.
It isn't that I would consider any girl working in Thermae to be "top tier" compared to other women in the world, women in Thailand or even women that can be seen riding an escalator in the nearest mall at 8pm.
Just compared to other girls in Thermae on a given night.
What I don't get is why a 70 year who can get freebies with hot 25 year olds easy as pie is even looking to pay.
I have to imagine it's much better for the Ego to get it Free.Forgot to add, I don't think I have ever chosen a particular girl or tried to get her for free rather than pay based on how my doing so would boost my ego.
BackpackBrian
06-15-20, 05:12
I've been to Bangkok, but it was 10 yrs ago and looking to go back August. So I remember nana plaza and all the open gogo bars on walking streets.
I've been going to FKK's in Germany for many years and I like the nude, inside, relaxed atmosphere of the clubs.
Question.
Are there any night clubs, in Bangkok, that are inside (no bar on the street with open windows) where the women walk around either fully nude or at least topless?
That might have an atmosphere similar to the FKK?
I'm not going to be that picky in my question, so I will say that I will pick the nude and / or topless aspect over being all inside.
Franciscass
06-15-20, 06:14
I used what I am looking for in a session to make it worth paying for as a "for instance." For others, a deal killer might be No DFK, Covered BJ Only, etc. Some might even be put off by a Short Time being only 30-45 minutes with one pop instead of 90 minutes with 2 pops.
In the case of a typical better looking Thermae girl, at least the ones I have approached (and been invited to approach by their body language), just about all of the above restrictions and limitations were firmly in place. And I would define that as "meager basic standard fare" in the P4P world.
I would also submit that such restrictions and limitations can and do exist outside of Thermae's particular bar culture wherever enough low demand yet high paying customers prevail.
Late edit/addition: There is no reason that a girl "should" adapt to anything I want or any other customer wants re the above when or if they really need the money. Unless they insist on really needing the money from ME instead of the next guy the way they pretend to pitch their sale so often. LolI'm with you, a girl with too many limitations on her service, it's over after you pop even if that happens in the first 30 minutes, no kissing, the blow job is covered, she doesn't want DATY signals a greater likelihood that the experience will be disappointing. I agree this attitude could probably does rise to the level of "meager basic standard fare". That said if she does not do BBFS I don't regard this as indicative of a bad attitude. As you say we all have standards. I'm not judging the punters who need BBFS but I understand girls not providing it to avoid taking chances with their health.
I just read a coconuts article mentioning this area in Pathum Thani. A couple girls got fined for not wearing a mask while offering boom boom in the street to passing cars, 555! Apparently that area is known for that. It seems like a fun trip to me, but I'm not sure of the exact location of the street. Soi Pan Sook (translates to sharing) is a local nickname. So I have no idea of the real street name. Is anybody aware of where it could be, or has been to this area? I'm close to Pathum Thani. So I'the be happy to report more if I can find it.
What I don't get is why a 70 year who can get freebies with hot 25 year olds easy as pie is even looking to pay.
I have to imagine it's much better for the Ego to get it Free.For most of us, ego is not even a consideration.
What I don't get is why a 70 year who can get freebies with hot 25 year olds easy as pie is even looking to pay.
I have to imagine it's much better for the Ego to get it Free.Ego has little to do with your achievements or rewards. If we all go shopping for mangoes, and a few were able to select the sweetest and best, while others were only able to get sour, unripe, overripe, or rotten ones. That is our achievement. We all have our own skills. It's okay to let others know of your achievements. That's not ego. Ego is selfishness and not sharing with the rest on how to select the best mangoes. That's ego. If you find the fountain of youth, that's your reward. Ego makes you want to keep it for yourself. Empathy, makes you want to share it. So when you see selfish acts that only think of "the self," and not of the greater good. That's ego and that's evil. Just saying. Always keep in mind the greater good, even it means sacrificing. So who is your favorite Care Bear who loves to share?
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But on the idea that Thermae girls are "hot", "beautiful" or "top tier", I for one always try to frame it as "better looking Thermae girls" or "top tier Thermae girls" in the sense that those particular girls are better looking than most other girls working in Thermae that night.
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If I have to generalize and rank places based on looks of working girls, it will be.
1. Nightclubs.
2. Gogos.
3. Thermae.
4. Dating sites like TF.
5. Masaage shops.
6. Bars like beer garden which I believe is no more.
7. Streetwalkers.
Now I don't have much experience in soapies in Bangkok, so not including it. Same with Gentleman clubs.
Now in above list, only TF or similar sites is place where you can't see person in real. Girl can use old pics, highly photoshopped pics or lie about age (or about the fact that they used to have same thing between their legs which they'll be taking in LOL), and someone can decide to meet based on that. When I started using TF, I have had my fair share of encounters where I just didn't want to fuck her, once she was in room, and we just went with the flow. Then I just stopped using online sites except smooci, and just picked girls from gogos and nightclubs, which was simply great. But this lockdown forced me to return to TF, when I ran our of contacts and Tinder went dry for a few days. I met 6 girls during this time from TF, all pretty enough and all were VFM except one. The most basic thing I used to filter out other girls was video call. Anyone who said no, blocked, no matter how "hot". I filtered out around 50+ girls, which would have been waste of money and time if I ended up meeting them. And all looked good enough on their profile pics.
This for me is the best solution to avoid any surprises from online "shopping".
This is where we separate the big boys from the rest of the group. We need spies. Hidden cameras, photos, stealth and stuff. Somebody show us what's the talent level and what's really on the ground in BKK. It's 2020 and for most part in the BKK thread we get what? Let's go back a read a few pages. Does anybody truly "hunt" anymore? Anyways, I frequented Thermae quite a bit and probably have taken over 80 or so girls in there. To be honest, there are some cute but very few to the level of hotness except for May (multi pics). May is what I consider hot, not many flaws. The others that I have included are decent to cute.Yeah these are some real cuties, MP, just like I like them: slim and stacked. Thanks.
Which nightclubs would you recommend for WG in Bangkok?
At one time Nana disco was a good spot but last time I was there (before virus) it was closed.
If I have to generalize and rank places based on looks of working girls, it will be.
1. Nightclubs.
2. Gogos.
3. Thermae.
4. Dating sites like TF.
5. Masaage shops.
6. Bars like beer garden which I believe is no more.
7. Streetwalkers.
Now I don't have much experience in soapies in Bangkok, so not including it. Same with Gentleman clubs.
Now in above list, only TF or similar sites is place where you can't see person in real. Girl can use old pics, highly photoshopped pics or lie about age (or about the fact that they used to have same thing between their legs which they'll be taking in LOL), and someone can decide to meet based on that. When I started using TF, I have had my fair share of encounters where I just didn't want to fuck her, once she was in room, and we just went with the flow. Then I just stopped using online sites except smooci, and just picked girls from gogos and nightclubs, which was simply great. But this lockdown forced me to return to TF, when I ran our of contacts and Tinder went dry for a few days. I met 6 girls during this time from TF, all pretty enough and all were VFM except one. The most basic thing I used to filter out other girls was video call. Anyone who said no, blocked, no matter how "hot". I filtered out around 50+ girls, which would have been waste of money and time if I ended up meeting them. And all looked good enough on their profile pics.
This for me is the best solution to avoid any surprises from online "shopping".
Which nightclubs would you recommend for WG in Bangkok?
At one time Nana disco was a good spot but last time I was there (before virus) it was closed.The typical ones are on soi 11, insanity and suga. But I stopped going there before covid hit, there were just way too many WGs. If I was interested in being surrounded with only hookers, gogo is the place. And clubs there are freaking small.
I started going to clubs near thong lo. Found some amazing 8-9's there on some good nights. Plus just before covid I found one Filipino from there, and had a threesome with her and her Filipino friend. Costed 6 k, but it was two hours of pornstar fuck fest, so worth it. Which ones I can recommend now? I don't even know which ones will be opening and when it will be. But I'd say pre-covid, Sugar / mix / insanity were easiest to pick WGs, and ones around uppee Sukhumvit will get you more pretty ones, generally.
If I have to generalize and rank places based on looks of working girls, it will be.
1. Nightclubs.
2. Gogos.
3. Thermae.
4. Dating sites like TF.
5. Masaage shops.
6. Bars like beer garden which I believe is no more.
7. Streetwalkers.
Now I don't have much experience in soapies in Bangkok, so not including it. Same with Gentleman clubs.
Now in above list, only TF or similar sites is place where you can't see person in real..I use a lot Tinder in BKK and Pattaya because sometimes I don't find girls I want in gogos and I don't want pay barfine. So Tinder is perfect for this! And to be sure the girl is same like on pictures, I ask the girl to answer me on whasapp or Line with video. If she doesn't want I refuse. Like I say to the girls, I want the girl of the pictures! If it's not her, I don't want!
Hello guys,
I am looking for recommendation to spend some hours with a hot African girl in Bangkok. Saw in soi 4, 4 or 5 of them, but due to some bad review of girls making drama or even trying to steal, I didn't give a try. Do you have any girls you have been with to recommend. Thanks in advance.
The typical ones are on soi 11, insanity and suga. But I stopped going there before covid hit, there were just way too many WGs. If I was interested in being surrounded with only hookers, gogo is the place. And clubs there are freaking small.
I started going to clubs near thong lo. Found some amazing 8-9's there on some good nights. Plus just before covid I found one Filipino from there, and had a threesome with her and her Filipino friend. Costed 6 k, but it was two hours of pornstar fuck fest, so worth it. Which ones I can recommend now? I don't even know which ones will be opening and when it will be. But I'd say pre-covid, Sugar / mix / insanity were easiest to pick WGs, and ones around uppee Sukhumvit will get you more pretty ones, generally.I notice you didn't mention Levels on Soi 11. Any personal experience for why not?
During normal times it always seemed to have several FLs on the prowl, especially since there was generally no cover charge or pre drink purchase requirement. And it is right across the soi from Oscar Bistro, another favorite hangout for FL meet ups, eats, drinks and (very small dance floor) dancing.
GettingFedUp
06-16-20, 03:53
I've been to Bangkok, but it was 10 yrs ago and looking to go back August.BPB,
Just a few of the obstacles to be cleared for your plan to come to fruition. Assuming you mean August 2020 (starts in about 6 weeks):
1. I make the, possibly rash, assumption you are not currently in Thailand and not a Thai citizen. The borders are closed except for Thai citizens being repatriated (there are a couple of exceptions, but unless you have a diplomatic passport and accreditation from both governments or a work permit for a job which is absolutely essential to Thailand they aren't relevant). There is some talk of "travel bubbles" or "Covid corridors" to have bilateral arrangements with low risk countries, but there is nothing imminent and so few low risk countries out there. A recent survey also indicated 75% of Thais do not wish the borders opened to foreigners soon, so there is no mass movement to pressure the Government.
2. Even if borders open, there is a government willingness to impose 14 days quarantine in an approved facility (not self-isolation) on incoming passengers. All Thai returnees have to do this quarantine. Non-Thais would have to pay for the pleasure. The list I saw started at about THB 50,000 and up. Depending on where you are from you may not be able to get back home or have to do another quarantine on your return.
3. Even if the borders open foreign arrivals are required to have USD 100,000 of insurance against Covid medical costs. I'm not sure how easy it is to obtain such insurance, but most insurance policies where I am from are invalidated if the travel is contrary to Government travel advice and most countries warn against international travel at present.
4. Even if borders open that doesn't necessarily mean that flights will be available. Even if flights appear available there are many stories of people booking them only to have them cancelled and be told refunds will take 6 months (selling tickets for flights which don't operate is about the only cash flow airlines are getting at present, apart from Government handouts).
4. All bars, nightclubs, karaoke lounges remain closed under the emergency decree. This may change in a couple of weeks if the run of no local transmissions continues, but the government isn't in any hurry to do so having seen new clusters in South Korea and Japan centred on entertainment venues.
5. Even if the prohibition on entertainment venues is lifted it is uncertain which venues will re-open. Some of the Nana bars have handed back the keys already, others may well decide that the absence of foreign visitors makes it cheaper to stay closed rather than incur the costs of staffing & utilities for little revenue.
Things may change in some or all of the above aspects in the next couple of months, but I very much doubt you'll be visiting Bangkok from overseas in the next 2 months.
Of course if you mean August 2021 or later, it is far to early to even contemplate.
I notice you didn't mention Levels on Soi 11. Any personal experience for why not?
During normal times it always seemed to have several FLs on the prowl, especially since there was generally no cover charge or pre drink purchase requirement. And it is right across the soi from Oscar Bistro, another favorite hangout for FL meet ups, eats, drinks and (very small dance floor) dancing.Never been at Levels actually. Just never thought to try it, and didn't know that they had no cover charge.
I use a lot Tinder in BKK and Pattaya because sometimes I don't find girls I want in gogos and I don't want pay barfine. So Tinder is perfect for this! And to be sure the girl is same like on pictures, I ask the girl to answer me on whasapp or Line with video. If she doesn't want I refuse. Like I say to the girls, I want the girl of the pictures! If it's not her, I don't want!That's smart. Any WG who says no to video call is not worth it. Well to be honest this way you might miss some gems who don't want to have video call thinking you're just a time-waster. But I'd rather miss one gem than to see 5 nothing-like-their-pics girls at my doorstep.
BPB,
Just a few of the obstacles to be cleared for your plan to come to fruition. Assuming you mean August 2020 (starts in about 6 weeks):
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Excellent overview of the kind of hurdles Thailand is currently imposing to prevent the slimmest risk of anyone (of importance) in the country coming within 10 Degrees of Separation of someone else who had a single droplet of potential virus infection float free from their mouth.
And those are only the currently stated hurdles. Don't discount the possibility of new ones springing up between your home country departure and arrival in Thailand.
I am going to copy and paste your reply for my more than half dozen European and USA friends who email or Line me every week and ask if I've heard any buzz on the ground for when they can hop on a plane and be paying a barfine in Nana Plaza 12-24 hours later.
I've met this girl (QLee) in person. She finds customers on Thai friendly mostly. She will meet if you want. She charges 2500 for 4-5 hours and as many pops as you can handle. Usually I won't pay that much, but she was actually worth it. Nice body and will work hard with PSE the whole time. She is open to WHATEVER you are into. Or at least that's my experience. Last time when I talked to her she said she had been doing ok with online video chat income. So apparently enough people are willing to pay. Not me. There's lots of porn online, and still plenty of girls to meet in person. She did offer to give me a discount if we made some video of us fucking for her to use online. 1st time that's been offered to me, 555! But I'm not into any footage of me floating around on the internet.Was she any good? I have been thinking of messaging her, we messaged in TF. She seems a bit wild though.
Was she any good? I have been thinking of messaging her, we messaged in TF. She seems a bit wild though.She was really good, and wild 555! Total pse experience and nothing was off limits. She wasn't a time watcher, nor was there any limit on shots. Her body was really nice too, except maybe her face isn't as attractive in person as the photos. I haven't repeated only because I live 20 km away from her. She lives near Chatujuck Park.
I've been to Bangkok, but it was 10 yrs ago and looking to go back August. So I remember nana plaza and all the open gogo bars on walking streets.
I've been going to FKK's in Germany for many years and I like the nude, inside, relaxed atmosphere of the clubs.
Question.
Are there any night clubs, in Bangkok, that are inside (no bar on the street with open windows) where the women walk around either fully nude or at least topless?
That might have an atmosphere similar to the FKK?
I'm not going to be that picky in my question, so I will say that I will pick the nude and / or topless aspect over being all inside.Absolutely not. There are is no FKK equivalent or nightclub style places here or even in the same world. If you want to see topless girls while hanging out, those are the gogos. Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy are the main locations. In short, a gogo is sorta like a mix between a strip club and a brothel, but sex is for takeout only. The girls don't really walk around nude or topless, they are basically just standing on the stage casually moving / dancing in one spot and are usually topless, but not always. Some gogos, like Angelwitch have fun shows. But you can, and many people do, just hang out there, check out the ladies and have some drinks. You're absolutely not required to take one home or do anything other than buy a drink, its a bar at the end of the day, and if you like a girl, you can take her home. Also, If you want, you can get a girl to come sit with you and talk or whatever and you generally have to buy her a "lady drink" (prices vary) for her to do that.
Hi Zeus9,
She sounds great to share good time with, could you share her contact in PM?
I met via Tinder a girl name Perry, 32 yo, who is also incredible in bed, she loves to please, just A+ is challenging but if you make her comfortable she would try it. Met her about 4-5 time and was always great, she even bring a cake to celebrate my bday.
There won't be enough arrivals to keep hotels open and making money. Most are shut down or for sale at present. Staff have to be paid every week with just a trickle of tourists so its not worth opening. Until there is critical mass they won't make money.
Hi Zeus9,
She sounds great to share good time with, could you share her contact in PM?
I met via Tinder a girl name Perry, 32 yo, who is also incredible in bed, she loves to please, just A+ is challenging but if you make her comfortable she would try it. Met her about 4-5 time and was always great, she even bring a cake to celebrate my bday.Thanks for the info! Send me a PM, and we can exchange their line contacts.
Thanks for the info! Send me a PM, and we can exchange their line contacts.Unfortunately I didn't fully subscribe so I cannot send any PM.
BTW, was having some drinks a Hooters Nana, then drive around as I was getting excited before going home. Saw that girl on sukhumvit alking between soi 3 and soi 7, very white skin, chubby side but with very tiny short and short top, big silicon boobs, dark hair, name apple. Asked her how much which she replied 1000 thb, asked if in my home was OK as I live nearby, and she agree. Arriving home, she goes for a shower but didn't use soap, then start to suck me but like just 2 cm top of my dick, which I asked her to go slowly and deeper, then she started to make drama, why I ask her that, why I don't just fuck her, blablabla, that I am a bad customer, and so on. Told her to leave my place ASAP as she was a waste of time and not willing to do properly her job. I don't mind at all giving more, which I mostly do when the girl is willing to pass a good time together. This one, on the way I asked her how old she was which she replied 28, while she must between 35 and 40. Should have kick her out at that time. Worst is she start to be a drama queen, why she didn't ask me money first, my home is big so I should be able to give her the money. One of the worst experience since a while, be careful if you see her.
Which nightclubs would you recommend for WG in Bangkok?
At one time Nana disco was a good spot but last time I was there (before virus) it was closed.MIXX was my hunting ground, but god knows when it will get back to pre covid standards.
Unfortunately I didn't fully subscribe so I cannot send any PM.
BTW, was having some drinks a Hooters Nana, then drive around as I was getting excited before going home. Saw that girl on sukhumvit alking between soi 3 and soi 7, very white skin, chubby side but with very tiny short and short top, big silicon boobs, dark hair, name apple. Asked her how much which she replied 1000 thb, asked if in my home was OK as I live nearby, and she agree. Arriving home, she goes for a shower but didn't use soap, then start to suck me but like just 2 cm top of my dick, which I asked her to go slowly and deeper, then she started to make drama, why I ask her that, why I don't just fuck her, blablabla, that I am a bad customer, and so on. Told her to leave my place ASAP as she was a waste of time and not willing to do properly her job. I don't mind at all giving more, which I mostly do when the girl is willing to pass a good time together. This one, on the way I asked her how old she was which she replied 28, while she must between 35 and 40. Should have kick her out at that time. Worst is she start to be a drama queen, why she didn't ask me money first, my home is big so I should be able to give her the money. One of the worst experience since a while, be careful if you see her.Other than her age and her asking for the money upfront, that lousy session sounds similar to the one I had with one of the better looking girls on Soi 4 recently named Pat. Is fluent enough in English but refused to follow the simplest instructions that would have made the job much easier for her and much more pleasurable, even repeatable for me. Drama ensued. I aborted the mission right there, but we had already engaged in some foreplay so I put her out with half the money we agreed upon.
I find that during this bar shutdown and with so few customers available to the girls who remained in the city to work, I have had the same percentage of crap sessions with new girls, lousy enough to abort the mission and put them out with only travel money or less, as I did during normal times before the bar shutdowns, if not a higher percentage.
Giving an overall assessment of it, I would say if the girl had been attractive and good enough at her job to collect a couple of regulars to support her through these tough times and to even be willing to transfer some survival money to her if she left town for her province until this passes, she wouldn't have had to stand on the street for hours or days at a time with only 5 potential customers walking the area in a week. Consequently, the worst of the worst are the only ones left on the stroll, particularly when it comes to skill sets if not looks.
This notion that I read sometimes and get PMs and emails about from my Thai mongering farang friends stuck on the outside that the lockdown must surely mean we on the inside are getting better looking girls with better attitudes, more and better quality of services provided and at deep discount prices is not the reality I have experienced.
Thai hookers just don't respond to dire economic conditions and circumstances that way.
Hooters in soi 4 has ceased trading says stickboy.
Well, this is the Thai logic, instead of doing good job and ensuring regular customers (and not talking only for girls) they just see the thb they can make now in the easiest way. Luckily not all are like this, for last 3 months I took 5 girls from soi 4, 1 deaf that was a nightmare in bed, 1 a bit chubby with natural big boobs that was not good at sex but was able to take it hard in her throat without complaining and giving big rimming, 2 that was quite good and doing also A+ (but one was asking more but could still negotiate it) and the one from yesterday. So its about 50% satisfaction. I also met 3 working girls from Tinder asking between 2000 and 2500 thb for 2/3 shot and 2 of them doing A+. Those 3 girls are actually good fun, they come to my home, and really want to satisfy me.
I saw the girls front of Thermae, but I have that feeling it would be a waste of money and frustration.
I still want to meet a black girl, so long I didn't have sex with one, but really not sure about those girls in soi 4. If anyone has a contact or recommend one from there I would highly appreciate.
Crocodilexp
06-20-20, 20:06
if the girl had been attractive and good enough at her job to collect a couple of regulars to support her through these tough times and to even be willing to transfer some survival money to her if she left town for her province until this passes, she wouldn't have had to stand on the street for hours or days at a time with only 5 potential customers walking the area in a week. Consequently, the worst of the worst are the only ones left on the stroll, particularly when it comes to skill sets if not looks.
Astute observation. Attitude is what gets girls sponsors, not the looks. Leading up to Covid, working girls have been the bottom of the barrel, with sufficient numbers to muddy the waters a bit and create an impression of choice. Now, what's left is, undeniably, the bottom of that bottom, even if some of them look OK.
For better quality girls to show up on the scene, firstly the demographics must be favorable (e.g. many children per family, large proportion of young people), which they haven't been for the last 10 years. Then, in addition to the economic squeeze, there must also be some attraction factor such as an abundance of customers and percieved high payoff. As it is now, when a normal girl feels the squeeze, she'd go home to her hometown, not head to Sukhumvit.
Hooters Nana still open Hooters Silom is now closed as per a girl who moved from their to the Nana one, but they close early, midnight lights are off.
MIXX was my hunting ground, but god knows when it will get back to pre covid standards.I used to love to hang out at Insanity and likewise it is difficult to see when things will return to anything close to normal. It appears likely that, until there is a vaccine, authorities will impose social distancing rules which will adversely impact nightclubs and bars. That assumes that the nightclubs / bars have survived the lockdown! The tourists can't travel from their countries of origin and most of the girls have probably returned to Isaan. It all looks quite depressing. Can someone present a more encouraging picture?
I used to love to hang out at Insanity and likewise it is difficult to see when things will return to anything close to normal. It appears likely that, until there is a vaccine, authorities will impose social distancing rules which will adversely impact nightclubs and bars. That assumes that the nightclubs / bars have survived the lockdown! The tourists can't travel from their countries of origin and most of the girls have probably returned to Isaan. It all looks quite depressing. Can someone present a more encouraging picture?I can't offer anything encouraging about discos. But there are several small bars in the Sukhumvit Soi 4, Soi 8 and Soi 11 area that have reopened already under the guise that they are restaurants that happen to serve alcohol rather than bars that happen to serve snacks. Although I do see more extensive food menus on display out front and I assume they do indeed have a restaurant licence. But I don't recall seeing anyine eating food in those places pre lockdown.
For instance, one of them is a small bar on Soi 8 near the corner of Sukhumvit Road that used to be called Today (at) 8. Now it is called Food And Drink. LOL. Good to put the word Food in there first.
I have only seen a scant few girls working in those newly reopened establishments and in the case of that bar all the girls seem now to be uniformed (logo on a black shirt) food and drink servers. But I recognize some as outright P4P bargirls from before.
At least it's a start.
I can't offer anything encouraging about discos. But there are several small bars in the Sukhumvit Soi 4, Soi 8 and Soi 11 area that have reopened already under the guise that they are restaurants that happen to serve alcohol rather than bars that happen to serve snacks. Although I do see more extensive food menus on display out front and I assume they do indeed have a restaurant licence. But I don't recall seeing anyine eating food in those places pre lockdown.
For instance, one of them is a small bar on Soi 8 near the corner of Sukhumvit Road that used to be called Today (at) 8. Now it is called Food And Drink. LOL. Good to put the word Food in there first.
I have only seen a scant few girls working in those newly reopened establishments and in the case of that bar all the girls seem now to be uniformed (logo on a black shirt) food and drink servers. But I recognize some as outright P4P bargirls from before.
At least it's a start.I noticed WGs standing around soi 8 and 11 corner too. Some were even standing outside artbox which is really interesting. I have never noticed them standing outside it. Maybe lack of p4 p venues is making them desperate now. But none of them looked doable to me, ofcourse it's subjective.
And my old regulars still enjoying in their hometown, they won't be returning before August. Seems like their sponsors keeping them well. And most were smart too, they saved their money well.
Hi guys,
Is there anyone that met this girl name Nana Hot Issue. She sent me message on wechat and a friend told me she post sometimes on Craigslist. She looks quite hot and say being a full 3 holes. Any feedback are welcome.
Thanks.
Stumble Inn, the outdoor beer bar on the Soi 4 side of Nana Plaza, was open tonight and had several customers at around 9PM. Either they jumped the gun by a few days or they are using their restaurant licence to open earlier than other bars in the area. That is, if many other bars here will open soon. They still need more potential customers to justify staffing up and opening. Interesting that a favorite Nana Plaza bargirl who has been in her province for months sent me a Line message last week and said she missed me (LOL) and was planning to come back to Bangkok on July 1, "opening day". That was last Sunday. I don't recall reading that the bars would be allowed to reopen until just a couple of days ago. But this girl seemed to know the bars were going to reopen on July 1 at least by last Sunday, possibly a few days before that.
Am curious to see / hear what would be the "new norm" when those bar will reopen in term of pricing. Would not be surprise that barfine goes up and girls also asking for more. I met a girl 2 days ago on Tinder that asked for 4000 thb for a ST of 2 shot. At the beginning I thought she is giving a try but would be more reasonable, but she didn't and keep a solid 3500 thb for 2 shot mentioning she didn't have so much guest bc of covid. That is quite often the logic here, which is why I would not be surprise of a rate increase.
BangkokBull
06-26-20, 02:44
Hi guys,
Is there anyone that met this girl name Nana Hot Issue. She sent me message on wechat and a friend told me she post sometimes on Craigslist. She looks quite hot and say being a full 3 holes. Any feedback are welcome.
Thanks.Don't bother unless you want to take a post-op ladyboy.
How do I know? She used to be on Smooci too but due to their ID checking there she was listed as post-op ladyboy.
But if you ask her she will deny it. She is only also TF but get her profile deleted quickly each time. Think I seen her on Tinder too but not sure.
Danny Duck
06-26-20, 04:49
Stumble Inn, the outdoor beer bar on the Soi 4 side of Nana Plaza, was open tonight and had several customers at around 9PM. Either they jumped the gun by a few days or they are using their restaurant licence to open earlier than other bars in the area. That is, if many other bars here will open soon. They still need more potential customers to justify staffing up and opening. Interesting that a favorite Nana Plaza bargirl who has been in her province for months sent me a Line message last week and said she missed me (LOL) and was planning to come back to Bangkok on July 1, "opening day". That was last Sunday. I don't recall reading that the bars would be allowed to reopen until just a couple of days ago. But this girl seemed to know the bars were going to reopen on July 1 at least by last Sunday, possibly a few days before that.I'm willing to have a surcharge added to my plane ticket of $25 for required Thai Covid insurance.
For the life of me I don't get why my State Farm agent keeps laughing at me when I bring the topic up. LOL.
Y'all with me.
Insurance is a deal killer.
Plush Tiger
06-26-20, 13:15
Private Dancer is available for free download from Stephen Leather's site: http://www.stephenleather.com/unpub.html - well worth a read!
The other thing he did that I enjoyed was 'Confessions of a Thai Private Eye' which is an apparently non-fiction work, based on a set of interviews with some farang private detective in BKK.I have just finished reading Confessions of a Thai Private Eye, and although old, I found it, on top of being entertaining, quite insightful and learned tons of stuff despite having traveled to Thailand a few times. I thought it would be discussed here and rightfully found some references to it as per the post I am "replying" to. It is a must read for anyone travelling to the land of the smiles especially for the lesser known aspects concerning police, judicial system etc. The information it contains complements well the intelligence you can gather in this forum. I wanted to ask is if anyone knows (especially senior members) if the author was referring to this forum in the Afterword where he thanks "The gang from the X forum". For me chances are he's referring to ISG (although there used to be another such forum back in the days). Any thoughts about this or the book in the general? How about the other books from the same author: The Bangkok Detective and Thai Private Eye, are they worth reading?
Stay safe.
So I pass by soi 4 this evening and saw more bar open and more girls on the street and of course on the bar, but not so much busy in term of customers. Also, I finally give a try to a black girl staying near to Nana condo. Her name was Candice, tall, great ass, nice heavy boobs, long curly hair, quite cute face, coming from Tanzania. Asking for 2000 thb the ST, told her 1500 and she agreed. Went to her room in Nana condo, asked for the money which I showed her but keep it in my pant till the end. First the girl didn't take shower, I asked her to, but she insisted just taking one just 30 mn ago. Got naked and started to suck, which actually was quite OK as she could go quite deep. But after 1 mn asked to fuck, which I asked to get more sucked. She continued for 2-3 mn, then again insisted to fuck. Took her stand up as she is quite tall, what an amazing round ass and firm, she moves it quite well, but, I don't feel the mood of a good fun. After few minute I asked to change on cowgirl to see her boobs bouncing and feeling them, but there again, can only touch them, no licking / kissing them. Just few minutes and she start looks annoyed, saying I take too long time. Told her to turn on reverse so I could see her ass and that I would cum soon. She did it, view is nice, but really no mood at all, its like fucking a robot. Then asked if I can cum on her mouth? "no", boobs? "No", ass? "OK but quick". So I stand up put her on doggy and give all my best to cum on top of it. Well after that she went to the bathroom to shower, but without soap. Was finally happy not to have kiss lick any part of her body. Would I go back, certainly not! Liked her body, but it was so boring and no hygienic. At least I gave a try to my curiosity and fantasy.
Wolvenvacht
06-26-20, 23:02
How about the other books from the same author: The Bangkok Detective and Thai Private Eye, are they worth reading?I found both these books quite entertaining and well worth the time spent reading them.
I'm willing to have a surcharge added to my plane ticket of $25 for required Thai Covid insurance.
For the life of me I don't get why my State Farm agent keeps laughing at me when I bring the topic up. LOL.
Y'all with me.
Insurance is a deal killer.I for one am probably done with Thailand.
Just as an aside, I have been using the same travel ins company for many years, 6-11 months at a time. My new policy will be about $300 per month for $100 K and Covid protection. I now pay $143.
I went over to Cambodia before Covid to avoid Immigration hassles, figured it would be easy to roll in and out of Bangkok / Thailand as I pleased. O well. Then I get the $3000 deposit malarky here in Cambo.
After 25 years, its tough to think that I won't be going back to Thailand for the foreseeable future, and at my age, could be never again. And as much as I love Cambodia, I wouldn't give them $3000 for a Covid entrance fee, so when I leave here (my Visa is up in March), looks like I'm going to the USA and staying for a while.
O well, when life gives you lemons, make lemonade. Porsches are being heavily discounted, guess its time to see America first as they say. I was lucky enough to be able to enjoy Thailand during some great years, but times change. Good luck in your wanderings guys and take care.
I found both these books quite entertaining and well worth the time spent reading them.The Harship Posting series is written in the same vein and also a good laugh. It helps if the reader is / was an expat or frequent visitor and can relate to the stories.
Enjoy. G.
So I pass by soi 4 this evening and saw more bar open and more girls on the street and of course on the bar, but not so much busy in term of customers. Also, I finally give a try to a black girl staying near to Nana condo. Her name was Candice, tall, great ass, nice heavy boobs, long curly hair, quite cute face, coming from Tanzania. Asking for 2000 thb the ST, told her 1500 and she agreed. Went to her room in Nana condo, asked for the money which I showed her but keep it in my pant till the end. First the girl didn't take shower, I asked her to, but she insisted just taking one just 30 mn ago. Got naked and started to suck, which actually was quite OK as she could go quite deep. But after 1 mn asked to fuck, which I asked to get more sucked. She continued for 2-3 mn, then again insisted to fuck. Took her stand up as she is quite tall, what an amazing round ass and firm, she moves it quite well, but, I don't feel the mood of a good fun. After few minute I asked to change on cowgirl to see her boobs bouncing and feeling them, but there again, can only touch them, no licking / kissing them. Just few minutes and she start looks annoyed, saying I take too long time. Told her to turn on reverse so I could see her ass and that I would cum soon. She did it, view is nice, but really no mood at all, its like fucking a robot. Then asked if I can cum on her mouth? "no", boobs? "No", ass? "OK but quick". So I stand up put her on doggy and give all my best to cum on top of it. Well after that she went to the bathroom to shower, but without soap. Was finally happy not to have kiss lick any part of her body. Would I go back, certainly not! Liked her body, but it was so boring and no hygienic. At least I gave a try to my curiosity and fantasy.First sigh, you have money up, 2nd not want to shower; a pro monger is out the door! Why do people continue to pay for lackluster performance?
............ After few minute I asked to change on cowgirl to see her boobs bouncing and feeling them, but there again, can only touch them, no licking / kissing them. ...........Whenever I go with a working girl the very first thing I do is to lie next to her with both of us naked. I then kiss her boobs and suck her nipples, if that's not allowed I end the session there and then and if in a brothel and I've already paid demand my money back. Me sucking on her nipples is an absolute must as is a BJ and sex. I have been refused kissing, BBBJ and DATY but I definitely would not be refused boob sucking.
Danny Duck
06-27-20, 19:42
First sigh, you have money up, 2nd not want to shower; a pro monger is out the door! Why do people continue to pay for lackluster performance?Because you don't know what you getting beforehand.
Because you don't know what you getting beforehand.No but immediately when you do, you don't stay around any longer, he seen several bad signs way before any money exchange hands; a real monger is out the door; and also what he wanted should of been discussed before they made it that far! Reread both posts.
Robert Long
06-28-20, 14:43
I for one am probably done with Thailand.
Just as an aside, I have been using the same travel ins company for many years, 6-11 months at a time. My new policy will be about $300 per month for $100 K and Covid protection. I now pay $143.
I went over to Cambodia before Covid to avoid Immigration hassles, figured it would be easy to roll in and out of Bangkok / Thailand as I pleased. O well. Then I get the $3000 deposit malarky here in Cambo.
After 25 years, its tough to think that I won't be going back to Thailand for the foreseeable future, and at my age, could be never again. And as much as I love Cambodia, I wouldn't give them $3000 for a Covid entrance fee, so when I leave here (my Visa is up in March), looks like I'm going to the USA and staying for a while.
O well, when life gives you lemons, make lemonade. Porsches are being heavily discounted, guess its time to see America first as they say. I was lucky enough to be able to enjoy Thailand during some great years, but times change. Good luck in your wanderings guys and take care.Trump has dropped the ball big time. The Covid19 is going wild and Trump is not doing anything to stop it. Thailand has been great and has only 3 deaths. 3000 cases of Covid19 and 99% recovery. I 'm an American but I might decide to stay here in Phuket. Why go home if everyone is sick? Pence is now lying about increased Covid19 cases. The republican's have lost their minds and will loose many seats in congress.
Good luck to you in the USA, stay safe and healthy.
RL.
Robert Long
06-28-20, 14:51
Because you don't know what you getting beforehand.Danny, you need to discuss your needs with a lady before you seal the deal. Would you buy anything with out testing it first and checking it out? Take a minute and tell her what you want and always include a shower. They stand on the road and get sweaty or dance in a bar and get real sticky. If you love to DATY, it must be clean and recently washed. I've never met a lady that didn't want a good licking, 555.
Chock dee kop my friend.
RL.
Trump has dropped the ball big time. The Covid19 is going wild and Trump is not doing anything to stop it. Thailand has been great and has only 3 deaths. 3000 cases of Covid19 and 99% recovery.
RL.Where are you getting these numbers from?
Plush Tiger
06-28-20, 16:08
Where are you getting these numbers from?https://covid19.who.int/region/searo/country/th
With 3,162 cases and 58 deaths Thailand has been spared by the pandemic. Even if these are self reported numbers, there's a minimum of cross checking and they seem reliable.
Danny Duck
06-28-20, 16:56
I hear short time rooms are going to be mandated to install see thru windows. Police need to make sure masks are being worn during intimate relations.
https://covid19.who.int/region/searo/country/th
With 3,162 cases and 58 deaths Thailand has been spared by the pandemic. Even if these are self reported numbers, there's a minimum of cross checking and they seem reliable.You consider those numbers to be reliable? Even though Thailand was an international travel hub at the start of corona and left the gogos and everything else open for at least a full two months after their first case on Jan 13. Yet, they claim the most deaths they had in any single day was 4 with a total of 58. And zero deaths in the past month.
Those numbers sound reasonable to you?
https://covid19.who.int/region/searo/country/th
With 3,162 cases and 58 deaths Thailand has been spared by the pandemic. Even if these are self reported numbers, there's a minimum of cross checking and they seem reliable.No one knows the actual numbers in any country but the OP had only 3 deaths reported as opposed to 58 in your link. The virus is still out there so Thailand like most other countries that are opening back up can expect the actual number of cases and deaths to rise, regardless of the number they report.
GettingFedUp
06-29-20, 10:23
Those numbers sound reasonable to you?Smoothy,
No one is saying they have identified every case during the last 6 months or that there are definitely no undetected cases left in Thailand. However, from my experience being here and looking into the available data with a critical eye I certainly believe they provide a realistic indication of the true picture. I had a lot of scepticism back in March but the harder I looked the less likely significant rigging of the numbers seemed likely.
There are lots of conspiracy theorists who denounce the information as being manipulated to allow the Government to use the situation to justify the rule by emergency decree. They conveniently overlook that if the Government were manipulating data for this purpose they would be announcing higher numbers to justify the ongoing emergency decree.
If the information was going to be manipulated, then surely the cluster from Lumpini Boxing Stadium, which is the largest to date, would have been hushed up? Given the Boxing Stadium is owned by the Army and the event went ahead even though all such places had been ordered shut this was where a cover up would have happened if anywhere.
I have not seen a single whistle blower on any of the platforms shouting "my hospital is overwhelmed", "the mortuaries are overflowing" or "the Government covered up my husband's death". There was one gentleman on here who questioned that a friend of his had passed away and not been reported, but a look at the available data identified a probable match which he subsequently verified.
There was a piece on National Geographic a few days ago https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/06/look-inside-thailand-prevented-coronavirus-gaining-foothold/ from a Thai photo journalist. "Expecting the worst, I began photographing Bangkok in the early days of the pandemic. I was especially afraid of a runaway outbreak in the city's slums and that our healthcare facilities would be overrun. It didn't turn out that way. The work has been frustrating at times, not because there've been so many cases but because there've been so few. Much to my relief, I am gradually running out of things to shoot. " Now the nay sayers cry that he couldn't write bad news because it would be against the decree, but had he had bad news to tell then it would have appeared without his byline and probably been syndicated to far more outlets and for far more money than National Geographic paid. I almost get a sense of the guy's disappointment at not getting the scoop of the year.
One recurring theme from a lot of the stuff I've seen about "how it was done" is the network of 1 million health volunteers, which allowed both contact tracing and preliminary screening in "at risk" areas (so temperature check and any symptoms) to be rolled out quickly to the rural masses. Simply put you cannot swab test nearly 70 million people, and you cannot test even 5% of them given the resources available and their geographic dispersal.
Finally, I usually avoid commenting on politics in general and Thai politics in particular, and I am certainly not going to enter into a discussion about the state of Thai democracy (or lack thereof depending on viewpoint), the use of emergency decree to govern in the situation or any of that kerfuffle. But I would pose the question "Has not having to worry about approval ratings or re-election freed the politicians to chose the right decision rather than the popular decision?" I am not picking on any country or political party, but some of the restrictions here have been hugely unpopular with Thais but, fingers crossed, thus far effective.
Plush Tiger
06-29-20, 17:14
No one knows the actual numbers in any country but the OP had only 3 deaths reported as opposed to 58 in your link. The virus is still out there so Thailand like most other countries that are opening back up can expect the actual number of cases and deaths to rise, regardless of the number they report.I am not in Thailand for the time being but following the situation closely as I'd like to return there whenever the situation improves and travel open. Given that lots of countries massage the number, it sort of levels the field and it seems that the situation is quite good in Thailand as compared to Europe, the Americas and some other countries. Numbers might be a few thousands more but it seems to be no where near some countries such as the Philippines where the pandemic unfortunately for them seems to be in full swing.
You consider those numbers to be reliable? Even though Thailand was an international travel hub at the start of corona and left the gogos and everything else open for at least a full two months after their first case on Jan 13. Yet, they claim the most deaths they had in any single day was 4 with a total of 58. And zero deaths in the past month.
Those numbers sound reasonable to you?I didn't believe the Thai reported numbers at all. Not until I lost a friend in Isaan and Getting Fed Up actually found a listing for his death. Thanks again, GFU. I now believe the numbers reported are reasonably close, especially the number of deaths. To be sure some Thai deaths were misidentified as see-19 (or not) especially early on as Thailand learned about the disease. But that happened in every country.
I only wish the USA had things under control like Thailand. I happen to live in Los Angeles county where the virus is running wild. I heard we were #1 (worst) in the USA recently.
Regarding the situation in the USA. I truly believe we have some of the smartest people in world. As well as most of the stupidest. How hard is it to wear a mask?
I didn't believe the Thai reported numbers at all. Not until I lost a friend in Isaan and Getting Fed Up actually found a listing for his death. Thanks again, GFU. I now believe the numbers reported are reasonably close, especially the number of deaths. To be sure some Thai deaths were misidentified as see-19 (or not) especially early on as Thailand learned about the disease. But that happened in every country.
I only wish the USA had things under control like Thailand. I happen to live in Los Angeles county where the virus is running wild. I heard we were #1 (worst) in the USA recently.
Crocodilexp
06-29-20, 18:37
First sigh, you have money up, 2nd not want to shower; a pro monger is out the door! Why do people continue to pay for lackluster performance?I agree with you in general, but an important difference here is that this was an African girl. When you're dealing with a different ethnicity or a new scene, there's more ambiguity about the expectations, so you end up making mistakes you wouldn't have made with your familiar, usual Thai freelancer fare, where both of you know the procedure, and both immediately know what kind of behavior is unacceptable.
MichaelSamuel
06-30-20, 01:04
I concur with that assessment. It's possible to hide a lot but as the writer of TV show The Wire (David Simon) said, "you can't hide a body". His reference was to police statistics that changed violent crimes to lesser offenses to make the crime look better, and I fully expect the same to happen worldwide with corona. However in the end in societies with open internet, I. E. Not China, if the hospitals, morgues, and slums were full of bodies it would be on facebook, twitter, and a dozen other places and that just never happened. In the end the only worldwide reliable statistic is going to be a comparison of death rates over the previous periods and even that will be shaded by some countries. I still think given Thailand's international travel exposure it's a miracle they haven't seen the outbreak everyone expected. Unfortunately unless they wait out the year or more it's going to take to get a vaccine it's going to make it's way back and they will be stuck with the same dilemma of closing down again. The inability of the UK, US, South America and others to get it under control at all means it's going to continue to incubate and spread. Some places may be able to operate with an effective 14 day quarantine system, but it's still to early to tell on that and in reality if that is in place is there enough demand for air travel that any airline is flying across borders?
It's like a greek play at this point, despite all of us isolating ourselves in our countries, provences / states, and homes we are still reliant and interconnected throughout so much that unless you want to stay in that hole we are all going to subject to the decisions made by those far away from where we reside. Reminds me of the scene in Armageddon when Billie Bob says there is a place on earth where you can hide from it.
Smoothy,
No one is saying they have identified every case during the last 6 months or that there are definitely no undetected cases left in Thailand. However, from my experience being here and looking into the available data with a critical eye I certainly believe they provide a realistic indication of the true picture. I had a lot of scepticism back in March but the harder I looked the less likely significant rigging of the numbers seemed likely.
There are lots of conspiracy theorists who denounce the information as being manipulated to allow the Government to use the situation to justify the rule by emergency decree. They conveniently overlook that if the Government were manipulating data for this purpose they would be announcing higher numbers to justify the ongoing emergency decree.
If the information was going to be manipulated, then surely the cluster from Lumpini Boxing Stadium, which is the largest to date, would have been hushed up? Given the Boxing Stadium is owned by the Army and the event went ahead even though all such places had been ordered shut this was where a cover up would have happened if anywhere.
I have not seen a single whistle blower on any of the platforms shouting "my hospital is overwhelmed", "the mortuaries are overflowing" or "the Government covered up my husband's death". There was one gentleman on here who questioned that a friend of his had passed away and not been reported, but a look at the available data identified a probable match which he subsequently verified.
There was a piece on National Geographic a few days ago https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/06/look-inside-thailand-prevented-coronavirus-gaining-foothold/ from a Thai photo journalist. "Expecting the worst, I began photographing Bangkok in the early days of the pandemic. I was especially afraid of a runaway outbreak in the city's slums and that our healthcare facilities would be overrun. It didn't turn out that way. The work has been frustrating at times, not because there've been so many cases but because there've been so few. Much to my relief, I am gradually running out of things to shoot. " Now the nay sayers cry that he couldn't write bad news because it would be against the decree, but had he had bad news to tell then it would have appeared without his byline and probably been syndicated to far more outlets and for far more money than National Geographic paid. I almost get a sense of the guy's disappointment at not getting the scoop of the year.
One recurring theme from a lot of the stuff I've seen about "how it was done" is the network of 1 million health volunteers, which allowed both contact tracing and preliminary screening in "at risk" areas (so temperature check and any symptoms) to be rolled out quickly to the rural masses. Simply put you cannot swab test nearly 70 million people, and you cannot test even 5% of them given the resources available and their geographic dispersal.
Finally, I usually avoid commenting on politics in general and Thai politics in particular, and I am certainly not going to enter into a discussion about the state of Thai democracy (or lack thereof depending on viewpoint), the use of emergency decree to govern in the situation or any of that kerfuffle. But I would pose the question "Has not having to worry about approval ratings or re-election freed the politicians to chose the right decision rather than the popular decision?" I am not picking on any country or political party, but some of the restrictions here have been hugely unpopular with Thais but, fingers crossed, thus far effective.
I didn't believe the Thai reported numbers at all. Not until I lost a friend in Isaan and Getting Fed Up actually found a listing for his death. Thanks again, GFU. I now believe the numbers reported are reasonably close, especially the number of deaths.I hope the change in your belief was supported by something stronger than your own sample_size_of_one experience.
To be sure some Thai deaths were misidentified as see-19 (or not) especially early on as Thailand learned about the disease. But that happened in every country.My recollection is that what 'mostly' happened was that many C19 caused deaths were unwittingly (mis) classified as a variety of other reasons. This happened in the UK, the US and many other countries. {I have no opinion on how this played out in Thailand.).
Post pandemic, the pressure to misclassify intentionally escalated in a variety of countries. China was flagrant about this. But the UK, Iran, Egypt Florida in the US, India, much of Africa have been reported as engaged in this. I am sure statistical comparisions will, in the future, uncover a lot of this malarkey.
I only wish the USA had things under control like Thailand. I happen to live in Los Angeles county where the virus is running wild. I heard we were #1 (worst) in the USA recently.Difference is that Thailand has a dictator for real; the US has a president who wishes he could be a dictator for real. The former provided what appears to be meaningful leadership and a unified response. The latter played golf and tweeted.
...Some places may be able to operate with an effective 14 day quarantine system, but it's still to early to tell on that and in reality if that is in place is there enough demand for air travel that any airline is flying across borders?My guess is that there will be enough demand. And international air travel may be far safer than how some of us (me included) had imagined. Lot of recent stuff in the press to that point.
It's like a greek play at this point, despite all of us isolating ourselves in our countries, provences / states, and homes we are still reliant and interconnected throughout so much that unless you want to stay in that hole we are all going to subject to the decisions made by those far away from where we reside. Reminds me of the scene in Armageddon when Billie Bob says there is a place on earth where you can hide from it.The fact is that with the exception of the isolated places (e. G. Fiji, with zero infection) and NZ, Aus and maybe a few more countries, isolation and self quarantining are being practiced quite spottily. Today's social media is awash with videos of the tennis players Alexander and Misha Zverev partying hard in a huge group of 'unmasked' people, less than a week after promising to self quarantine after exposure to C19. The entire state of Florida and many parts of the US are / were in a state of denial till recently.
These are educated people with full access to information. Causes and consequences.
As you put it, we are all subject to the fallout from their actions.
Bill Gates recently opined that until a vaccine is developed and administered to at least 70% of the population of the planet, travel and tourism is unlikely to return to anywhere resembling pre-pandemic levels. And he believes, as does Fauci, that the US is still in the midst of the first wave. The election of 2016 is turning out to be far more costly for the entire world than imagined.
Regarding the situation in the USA. I truly believe we have some of the smartest people in world. As well as most of the stupidest. How hard is it to wear a mask?Ego versus empathy. Individualism versus collectivism. Sometimes this thing called free will really isn't free. Don't worry, maybe it's was meant to all come down. This may be the end for everything. And there will be a new beginning. That's why folks should be trying to hit those last minute goals. I know I am. Almost there.
Member #4698
06-30-20, 13:09
July 1 is the big day. The start of a new beginning. Here is a link to Stickboy's column giving the reopening dates of Nana Bars & Go Go's.
https://www.stickboybkk.com/go-go-bars/list-of-nana-plaza-bar-opening-dates/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Franciscass
07-01-20, 05:21
Without going into the philosophical Determinism versus Libertarianism discussion of whether free will actually exists for me the question is whether free choice exists.
Some will say yes she can say no to sex without a condom. Others will argue in reality she does not have that option because of her circumstances. She needs the money.
Did the coal miner going down the pit really have a choice and exercising free will.
Saying BBFS is something that women want because they don't say no is simply disingenuous.
Always exceptions but how many girls do you think if given the option of sex with a condom or without would willingly opt for the former.
In my experience very few.
They don't say no because they want the sensation of an uncovered dick inside them they agree because they are either foolishly unaware of the health risks or else just accept these risks as a necessary part of the job.
Danny Duck
07-01-20, 06:30
July 1 is the big day. The start of a new beginning. Here is a link to Stickboy's column giving the reopening dates of Nana Bars & Go Go's.
https://www.stickboybkk.com/go-go-bars/list-of-nana-plaza-bar-opening-dates/amp/?__twitter_impression=true.Better than nothing.
The you tubers can do their thing.
July 1 is the big day. The start of a new beginning. Here is a link to Stickboy's column giving the reopening dates of Nana Bars & Go Go'sThat does not matter a lot when you still can't fly there. And the few who can will be in quarantine for 2 weeks.
Bloodstock
07-01-20, 12:23
What BJ bars are open now?
Member #4698
07-01-20, 13:21
That does not matter a lot when you still can't fly there. IMHO the bar openings matter and are of real interest in particular to see how many girls they will have on hand, the social distancing effect if any they employ, and the amount of trade they get from ex pats and others who are in BKK now. The ISG Thailand has a few regular contributors who live in BKK. I am looking forward to reading their reports on the state of back in business Go Go's.
I have speculated before on these pages that I do not think Thailand or any SE Asian country will truly open up to international travel until an effective vaccine is made available. That could take a 1 year to 18 months to happen if it happens at all. In the meantime I find it very interesting and relevant to my interests to watch how or if these various P4P venues survive. I consider the Go Go bar openings a milestone event. I wish them all the best because personally, I don't think BKK will be half as much fun if the Go Go's don't survive.
What BJ bars are open now?Kasalong Bar and L0litas were open today when I passed by around 3pm. I saw 4-5 girls in uniform hanging around outside each. Some new faces, mostly chubby girls I would not rate above a 5 in looks generally. But I only passed by once so maybe better looking girls were busy inside with customers at the time.
I have been with a regular, non P4P GF all day and evening today so I did not cruise the area to see what other shops were open.
IMHO the bar openings matter and are of real interest in particular to see how many girls they will have on hand, the social distancing effect if any they employ, and the amount of trade they get from ex pats and others who are in BKK now. The different Monger donor countries all have their own exit and return restrictions so I'm also very interested to see if the bars see an in rush of guys who have been waiting for the ability to enter or if the economic down turn. Means that the ramp up is much slower.
The different Monger donor countries all have their own exit and return restrictions so I'm also very interested to see if the bars see an in rush of guys who have been waiting for the ability to enter or if the economic down turn. Means that the ramp up is much slower.Just read a report from Amsterdam. Sex shops are open in red light district but no kissing allowed and no heavy breathing. Who and how they can enforce this rule?
I do not know which position satisfies this rule. I guess only part which will be touching each other are penis and vagina.
Better to forego sex with strangers for a while!
I have lived on Soi 8 during the winter months for the past several years and pass by Lolita's frequently on my way through Soi 6 to NaNa. I have to say that I have not been tempted for a number of years to indulge with any of the girls in this place. Most are, as you say, about a 5 in looks. Hefty farm girls for the most part. Several years ago, there were a few cute ones though I recall only requesting their services twice in all this time. There was real petite doll there with blond dyed hair who was rescued by a Farang and that was maybe four years ago. Rest easy as I seriously doubt if you missed any cute ones hanging out inside.
Kasalong Bar and L0litas were open today when I passed by around 3pm. I saw 4-5 girls in uniform hanging around outside each. Some new faces, mostly chubby girls I would not rate above a 5 in looks generally. But I only passed by once so maybe better looking girls were busy inside with customers at the time.
I have been with a regular, non P4P GF all day and evening today so I did not cruise the area to see what other shops were open.
Danny Duck
07-02-20, 00:34
So a very legit Rainbow 2 girl posted a photo of her earnings last night. Legit meaning she pulls 3,000 baht customers easy as Pie.
4 $1000 baht bills and a whole lot of 100's.
At least 2 barfines me thinks.
Is it sustainable?
Any reports.
I'm not seeing be able to go till 2021 at the earliest.
Love Sex 22
07-02-20, 11:23
Nana plaza opening night last night about 9 pm.
Some will say yes she can say no to sex without a condom. Others will argue in reality she does not have that option because of her circumstances. She needs the money.
Did the coal miner going down the pit really have a choice and exercising free will.
Saying BBFS is something that women want because they don't say no is simply disingenuous.
Always exceptions but how many girls do you think if given the option of sex with a condom or without would willingly opt for the former.
In my experience very few.
They don't say no because they want the sensation of an uncovered dick inside them they agree because they are either foolishly unaware of the health risks or else just accept these risks as a necessary part of the job.100% correct and we'll put.
When I ran out of condoms, and the girls didn't have their own, they still tried, to my objection, to go on with FS. This is not because they want it but because they need the money and they feel this is what the customer wants and if they don't do it they will lose the money. Of course there are exceptions where some girls don't care or even prefer it, as it is with the guys.
But since we're on this topic, this argument also applies to prostitution in general. Most of these girls wouldn't be available if they had other viable options.
https://youtu.be/5vmH3n6Vz1I
I hope to see Sukhumvit Road like this again in a near future.
Tonight I took a cruise through Soi Cowboy, stopped in Thermae and ended the evening in Nana Plaza. This was mostly a visual overview for me just to get a vibe of the bars after 3 1/2 months of closure.
I was a bit too early for Soi Cowboy I suppose, around 8:30PM. I thought the go-go bars would open early since they must close at Midnight. But I don't think any go-go bar except Crazy House was open for dancing by then. A few girls were sitting outside some of the bars, but they demonstrated no particular interest in attracting a customer (me) that I could tell except one ok looking 30 something year old sitting outside Country Road just as I was leaving the soi. She reached out to grab my hand, but I wasn't really interested.
Around 9PM, I stopped in Thermae. Had to get my temperature taken outside the door and make sure my mask was fully covering my nose and mouth when I entered. That's it. Once inside, I suppose I could have pulled my mask down, which I did, or removed it altogether. There was one other Farang customer at the bar with his mask fully removed and chatting with a girl who also had no mask on at the time. There were about 60 girls and a sprinkling of customer in there at that time, mostly Asian customers and mostly senior citizens like me. Almost all of the girls were wearing those clear plastic face masks that look a little like welder's masks. LOL. But you can see their whole face behind it. As is usual for Thermae, the more obvious lookers had zero interest in me, responding to my Hello (in Thai), returning my smile or in the 2-3 other Farangs in the place. I finished one drink and moved on to Nana Plaza.
There were only 4-5 bars open in Nana Plaza. I had to get my temperature taken at the main entrance to the Plaza and do the smartphone scan of their QR code. It didn't work for me, but security let me in anyway. I just wrote and then deleted a bit here about what I did and didn't have to do in Nana Plaza and its go-go bars tonight that was different from before the shutdown. I have decided to just say it was not very different from before.
I only went into two Nana Plaza go-go bars: Twister BKK on the ground level and Rainbow 5, formerly Twister (second level). I had one drink in each bar, spent about 40 minutes each and moved on.
My impression of the general vibe tonight was no different for me than if it had been normal times except for the servers wearing face masks and only 4-5 bars being open. And, of course, the very few customers around. The stages were filled with girls, looking and behaving no different than if it were the height of High Season. All the lookers were as aloof and seemingly disinterested in getting a Lady Drink or being barfined (by me) than if they were 3 months ahead on their rent and their smartphone top ups instead of 3 months behind. The marginally fuckable ones were the only ones smiling at me, returning my smile or seemed to be interested in coming over during their dance break. Actually, the only girl I saw in either bar going over to a customer was a looker in Twister BKK plopping herself down next to one very decrepit old Farang dude sitting alone in the booth. And he didn't seem to be all that interested in her either. LOL. I got the impression they knew each other from before.
Nobody seemed needy, hungry, thirsty or eager to meet a customer, get a Lady Drink or be barfined by anyone in the couple of hours I was in those two Nana Plaza bars and checking around the place, including the servers. I mention that in case some of you guys not here are imagining the hottest girls must be crawling all over us, begging to be taken, offering Real Sex without discussion, accepting deep discounts on their usual fees and so on. LOL. I saw no evidence of and experienced no crawling, begging or offering of anything. I was able to sit with a big smile and nodding to girls in those bars for a chunk of the time they would be open tonight and managed not to be approached or lobbied by body language by any of the girls I would remotely have wanted to barfine. And there were many barfineable girls there tonight. Lookswise only, I mean.
Then again, I wasn't really intent upon taking a girl no matter what tonight. I might be more on the hunt right after these two upcoming bar closure days have passed this weekend and more bars reopen.
World Travel 69
07-02-20, 23:32
You guys most likely read this already.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/masks-bikinis-bangkok-sex-districts-170222530.html
ExpatAbroad
07-03-20, 01:08
I've met this girl (QLee) in person. She finds customers on Thai friendly mostly. She will meet if you want. She charges 2500 for 4-5 hours and as many pops as you can handle. Usually I won't pay that much, but she was actually worth it. Nice body and will work hard with PSE the whole time. She is open to WHATEVER you are into. Or at least that's my experience. Last time when I talked to her she said she had been doing ok with online video chat income. So apparently enough people are willing to pay. Not me. There's lots of porn online, and still plenty of girls to meet in person. She did offer to give me a discount if we made some video of us fucking for her to use online. 1st time that's been offered to me, 555! But I'm not into any footage of me floating around on the internet.Hi Zeus,
This lady you mentioned in your post here sound exactly what l am looking for which is 'enthusiastic'.
As l am not a TF subscribed member I cannot do a search by name.
May l ask her approximate age in order to possibly find her there.
Many thanks.
Danny Duck
07-03-20, 03:01
Tonight I took a cruise through Soi Cowboy, stopped in Thermae and ended the evening in Nana Plaza. This was mostly a visual overview for me just to get a vibe of the bars after 3 1/2 months of closure.
I was a bit too early for Soi Cowboy I suppose, around 8:30PM. I thought the go-go bars would open early since they must close at Midnight. But I don't think any go-go bar except Crazy House was open for dancing by then. A few girls were sitting outside some of the bars, but they demonstrated no particular interest in attracting a customer (me) that I could tell except one ok looking 30 something year old sitting outside Country Road just as I was leaving the soi. She reached out to grab my hand, but I wasn't really interested.
Around 9PM, I stopped in Thermae. Had to get my temperature taken outside the door and make sure my mask was fully covering my nose and mouth when I entered. That's it. Once inside, I suppose I could have pulled my mask down, which I did, or removed it altogether. There was one other Farang customer at the bar with his mask fully removed and chatting with a girl who also had no mask on at the time. There were about 60 girls and a sprinkling of customer in there at that time, mostly Asian customers and mostly senior citizens like me. Almost all of the girls were wearing those clear plastic face masks that look a little like welder's masks. LOL. But you can see their whole face behind it. As is usual for Thermae, the more obvious lookers had zero interest in me, responding to my Hello (in Thai), returning my smile or in the 2-3 other Farangs in the place. I finished one drink and moved on to Nana Plaza..Any coyotes or just house girls and Free of their own will girls.
Before c19 I don't see how Rainbow 2 could afforva whole lots of non descripet Coyotes. Of 30 girls I'd say 5 or so we're Barfined on a regular basis.
Danny Duck
07-03-20, 09:45
StickyBot reports 100 girls at both Rainbow 1 and 2.
No social distance on first night. LOL.
Those numbers of remind me of 2015 numbers.
I say give it a week most go back home.
Only the Hottest of the hot will remain.
How many Japan salarymen are there in Bangkok?
Franciscass
07-03-20, 10:29
Tonight I took a cruise through Soi Cowboy, stopped in Thermae and ended the evening in Nana Plaza. This was mostly a visual overview for me just to get a vibe of the bars after 3 1/2 months of closure.Nobody seemed needy, hungry, thirsty or eager to meet a customer, get a Lady Drink or be barfined. I mention that in case some of you guys not here are imagining the hottest girls must be crawling all over us, .Interesting!
So after lock down over seems not a lot of hungry nubile nymphs back in town casting their alluring net far and wide for old geezers like ourselves willing to fill their empty coffers. I haven't been out and about yet but good to know I won't need to bring the brolly along to beat them off.
You never know ET going home empty when they were previously sure of some Asian dick make have the consequence of umm hey that old codger don't look so bad after all.
My impression of the general vibe tonight was no different for me than if it had been normal times except for the servers wearing face masks and only 4-5 bars being open. And, of course, the very few customers around. The stages were filled with girls, looking and behaving no different than if it were the height of High Season. All the lookers were as aloof and seemingly disinterested in getting a Lady Drink or being barfined (by me) than if they were 3 months ahead on their rent and their smartphone top ups instead of 3 months behind.Thank you for this honest and realistic review.
Do you think that maybe the girls know you and are aware that you are only interested in "real" sex and that may have something to do with their attitudes? Do you think this will be the case for a customer they don't recognize?
ExpatAbroad
07-03-20, 12:22
I've met this girl (QLee) in person. She finds customers on Thai friendly mostly. She will meet if you want. She charges 2500 for 4-5 hours and as many pops as you can handle. Usually I won't pay that much, but she was actually worth it. Nice body and will work hard with PSE the whole time. She is open to WHATEVER you are into. Or at least that's my experience. Last time when I talked to her she said she had been doing ok with online video chat income. So apparently enough people are willing to pay. Not me. There's lots of porn online, and still plenty of girls to meet in person. She did offer to give me a discount if we made some video of us fucking for her to use online. 1st time that's been offered to me, 555! But I'm not into any footage of me floating around on the internet.Hi Zeus,
The lady in your post sounds exactly what I'm looking for. Enthusiastic. Can you please let me know her age appropriately because l searched her name on TF and couldn't find her.
Many thanks.
Nice report. It sounds like not much has changed except less tourists. I have read a few reports that the ArtBox has been seeing some traffic with FL girls. Makes sense since it is better place than walking or hanging on Suk all night. Have you had a chance to check it out?
I also read that this area is slated for the wrecking ball and someone is building a five star hotel monstrosity there. Just what Bangkok needs!
Danny Duck
07-03-20, 17:34
Thank you for this honest and realistic review.
Do you think that maybe the girls know you and are aware that you are only interested in "real" sex and that may have something to do with their attitudes? Do you think this will be the case for a customer they don't recognize?I'll tell how Rainbow girls work. If you are a Senior Citizen the lesser attractive will be on you like honey on bread. If you show no interest you likely will be left alone. LOL.
Any coyotes or just house girls and Free of their own will girls.
Before c19 I don't see how Rainbow 2 could afforva whole lots of non descripet Coyotes. Of 30 girls I'd say 5 or so we're Barfined on a regular basis.I haven't gone into Rainbow 2 yet. I did not see any obvious non barfinable Coyote/agency girls in the 2 Nana go-go bars I went into. But there might have been some. I didn't even buy a girl a drink that night.
HorseTrader
07-03-20, 19:26
I'll tell how Rainbow girls work. If you are a Senior Citizen the lesser attractive will be on you like honey on bread. If you show no interest you likely will be left alone. LOL.To me, Rainbow is the same as the others. I'm a farang senior and what you say is half of the story. The other half is that when I show strong interest in a hottie, she will almost always respond positively. On the other hand, the best time in my hotel has been with the girls who show interest in me without hard pursuit from me. These are seldom the true go-go hotties, but they are also better than average.
I tend to quickly move from one go-go bar to the next and the next until I find what I want. Often I don't even finish my drink before the loud music and no desirable girls push me to the next bar. I'm there to bar fine one girl, I have no interest in getting drunk. This was my method from February, March and prior trips. What I did then may not be workable now.
Thank you for this honest and realistic review.
Do you think that maybe the girls know you and are aware that you are only interested in "real" sex and that may have something to do with their attitudes? Do you think this will be the case for a customer they don't recognize?I doubt it. That vibe and attitude prevails in Thermae even if I have not been in there for months. And I always observe it happening to other Farangs. But it could be that what I expect (and more) is more commonly expected or requested by Farangs anyway. So I fall into that category for them on first sight even if they'd never seen me before much less talked to me.
I fully intended to repeat my rounds tonight, this time with a more purposeful intent to take a girl, probably winding up in Nana Plaza again. But I never made it past Thermae at 9pm.
At 9pm tonight there could not have been more than 35 girls in Thermae and I counted only 4 customers, two Asian guys, another Farang and me. A group of 4 younger Asian guys came in a few minutes after I sat on a stool with my drink.
After a short while, I looked around and saw a lovely, slim, sweet face, mid 20's girl smiling at me from across the room. I went to her side (plenty of empty space to quietly speak freely these days). Chit chat about our names, where you from, the usual. Then I asked her if she preferred LT or ST. Up to me.
Long Time, 4,500, she said. I said I would give her 3,000 for LT IF we boom boom no condom. She said, you come outside? I said, I'll try, but probably not. LOL.
Done. We were on our way to my room, hand in hand, at 9:30pm, LT until I say bye sometime tomorrow.
It has been quite nice all around. She is laying naked, smooth and sweet as pie sleeping next to me now as I tap this out on my phone.
Of course, I am well aware that the real pros here would have gotten this girl for the same LT for 1,000 baht tops and done it without a word of discussion about condoms the whole time. But I am fine with paying the extra 2,000 baht to this one for the upfront assurance that the C-word and topic will not be uttered from the moment she took me by her dainty girlish hand and we left the bar.
YMMV.
Nice report. It sounds like not much has changed except less tourists. I have read a few reports that the ArtBox has been seeing some traffic with FL girls. Makes sense since it is better place than walking or hanging on Suk all night. Have you had a chance to check it out?
I also read that this area is slated for the wrecking ball and someone is building a five star hotel monstrosity there. Just what Bangkok needs!I did see a lot of girls sitting at the rear section of Artbox a couple of weeks ago and mentioned it in a report at that time. I was with a regular repeat girl that night so I did not approach any of the girls nor did I get much of a FL vibe from them. They all seemed more interested in having their own drinking party amongst themselves than interacting with or attracting the attention of the single men sitting at nearby tables though.
That was right before the ban on drinking alcohol in restaurants was lifted. Another night I stopped in Artbox after that night and I saw very few girls sitting around there.
I quite like the deep dish style pepperoni pizza at Yo! Pizza in Artbox, btw. Other flavors are good there too.
Thank you for this honest and realistic review.
Do you think that maybe the girls know you and are aware that you are only interested in "real" sex and that may have something to do with their attitudes? Do you think this will be the case for a customer they don't recognize?Sorry for quoting you there a second time to reply. But I've given more thought to what you asked and wanted to add that the far more common behavior from girls I have spoken with before in Thermae but did not take because they did not agree upfront to my request for BBFS+CIP has been to reach out or flag me over to chat with them again.
It has rarely if ever been to turn away or recoil in horror when they see me again. Instead, they flag me over and want to say Hi, presumably because I am a familiar face, will politely chat with them again and they either want to see if I have changed my mind about the no condom thing or to tell me they have changed their mind about it.
Therefore, I would have to conclude that whatever those relatively few girls said about me to any other girls there (again, doubtful many would bother), whatever negative ripple effect it had would certainly not fit their observable enthusiasm to pull me into their space again, imo.
Interesting!
So after lock down over seems not a lot of hungry nubile nymphs back in town casting their alluring net far and wide for old geezers like ourselves willing to fill their empty coffers. I haven't been out and about yet but good to know I won't need to bring the brolly along to beat them off.
You never know ET going home empty when they were previously sure of some Asian dick make have the consequence of umm hey that old codger don't look so bad after all.Franciscuss, I still can't say I have noticed a dramatic or even noticeable difference. I had a good experience with a lovely Thermae girl tonight. But that had happened for me several times in the recent past before the lockdown. Maybe she agreed to LT for 1,000 baht less than what she could have held firm on if there had been more than 4-8 customers in the place, if it wasn't 3 days after rent was due and it wasn't raining outside. LOL.
And most of those conditions can be taken advantage of to shave off 25-30% of the cost during normal times if you don't mind waiting for the stars to line up.
Sorry for quoting you there a second time to reply. But I've given more thought to what you asked and wanted to add that the far more common behavior from girls I have spoken with before in Thermae but did not take because they did not agree upfront to my request for BBFS+CIP has been to reach out or flag me over to chat with them again.
It has rarely if ever been to turn away or recoil in horror when they see me again. Instead, they flag me over and want to say Hi, presumably because I am a familiar face, will politely chat with them again and they either want to see if I have changed my mind about the no condom thing or to tell me they have changed their mind about it.
Therefore, I would have to conclude that whatever those relatively few girls said about me to any other girls there (again, doubtful many would bother), whatever negative ripple effect it had would certainly not fit their observable enthusiasm to pull me into their space again, imo.I'm surprised you ask the girl before you take her to know if she'll give you BBFS. I never ask before! I always fuck them bareback, in Bangkok, in Pattaya or even in Cambodia. They let me fuck them bareback and they love that. Only few girls ask me more money to fuck them without condom.
Last time, I was in Nana Plaza in gogo Rainbow and she was so sexy *****, she was busy to drink with a Chinese. The Chinese spent so much money only in lady drinks. And I asked the mamasan that I wanted fuck her! And she told me to wait she finish with the chinese man. After maybe 1 hour of drinks, the chinese man decided to book her short time in room upstairs and when the lady go take her back and dress herself I followed her to the toilets quickly that I really wanted to go with her too.
And she was already little bit drunk, but she told me to wait her again in bar 30 min more. She told me with Chinese men they fuck very quickly and then she will go with me.
And I was so happy, when she came back the gogo 40 minutes after. She came to me directly, she was very surprised I was still waiting for her. And she started to kiss me so deep with tongue, and she told me she was drunk and smile. And she played with my dick and was shagging on me. I just paid her 1 drink (and not 10 like the Chinese before LOL) and I asked to go fuck her! She asked me 2000 + 500 for bar + 500 for room. I said OK. I was so horny that I didn't try to negotiate.
Just when I say OK, she asked me if I've condoms. I said NO and I told her that she as so sexy that I really wanted to fuck her bareback. And she told me "OK darling but you have to give me 1000 more". Anf of course I say yes! And I think she loved to fuck with me in room. We fuck together during almost 2 hours and I came twice in her pussy. She didn't say me nothing and even after in the shower were together and she let me fuck her again few minutes. It was a great night.
I'm surprised you ask the girl before you take her to know if she'll give you BBFS. I never ask before! I always fuck them bareback, in Bangkok, in Pattaya or even in Cambodia. They let me fuck them bareback and they love that. Only few girls ask me more money to fuck them without condom.
Last time, I was in Nana Plaza in gogo Rainbow and she was so sexy *****, she was busy to drink with a Chinese. The Chinese spent so much money only in lady drinks. And I asked the mamasan that I wanted fuck her! And she told me to wait she finish with the chinese man. After maybe 1 hour of drinks, the chinese man decided to book her short time in room upstairs and when the lady go take her back and dress herself I followed her to the toilets quickly that I really wanted to go with her too.
And she was already little bit drunk, but she told me to wait her again in bar 30 min more. She told me with Chinese men they fuck very quickly and then she will go with me.
And I was so happy, when she came back the gogo 40 minutes after. She came to me directly, she was very surprised I was still waiting for her. And she started to kiss me so deep with tongue, and she told me she was drunk and smile. And she played with my dick and was shagging on me. I just paid her 1 drink (and not 10 like the Chinese before LOL) and I asked to go fuck her! She asked me 2000 + 500 for bar + 500 for room. I said OK. I was so horny that I didn't try to negotiate.
Just when I say OK, she asked me if I've condoms. I said NO and I told her that she as so sexy that I really wanted to fuck her bareback. And she told me "OK darling but you have to give me 1000 more". Anf of course I say yes! And I think she loved to fuck with me in room. We fuck together during almost 2 hours and I came twice in her pussy. She didn't say me nothing and even after in the shower were together and she let me fuck her again few minutes. It was a great night.Then in that case you had a conversation with the girl about condoms or bareback upfront in the bar before you took her and even came to an agreement on an extra amount of money to go bareback, just as I prefer. I'm fine with that. And sometimes no extra amount of money is required.
But my greater preference is to avoid even this much of a conversation about condoms in the room when we are about to have sex: "Just when I say OK, she asked me if I've condom."
Therefore, to avoid even that much of a conversation about condoms in my room, I will often be the one to bring up the topic in the bar, club or on the soi if the girl hasn't mentioned it first as your Rainbow girl did. And then we can hash out whatever agreement for extra money or not to go bareback as you did with her.
Not sure why you would be surprised about having an upfront conversation about bareback with a girl before you take her when it seems to me from your reports that it happens often enough in your experience too when the girl brings it up in conversation. I just prefer to bring it up and get it settled upfront if she doesn't, that's all.
Hi Zeus,
The lady in your post sounds exactly what I'm looking for. Enthusiastic. Can you please let me know her age appropriately because l searched her name on TF and couldn't find her.
Many thanks.She is 32 years old, but looks younger in my opinion. You can PM me for her line ID. A few members she has said that she will only do cam stuff online. And a few others she has agreed to meet in person. So it sounds like she is being a bit picky. And she is still asking for 2500 baht to meet in person. That's the feedback that I've gotten from other members.
ExpatAbroad
07-04-20, 05:50
Many thanks for taking the time to reply, sadly though l am only a basic member and unable to PM you. I will try to narrow her down based on her age.
Thanks again.
She is 32 years old, but looks younger in my opinion. You can PM me for her line ID. A few members she has said that she will only do cam stuff online. And a few others she has agreed to meet in person. So it sounds like she is being a bit picky. And she is still asking for 2500 baht to meet in person. That's the feedback that I've gotten from other members.
Then in that case you had a conversation with the girl about condoms or bareback upfront in the bar before you took her and even came to an agreement on an extra amount of money to go bareback, just as I prefer. I'm fine with that. And sometimes no extra amount of money is required.
But my greater preference is to avoid even this much of a conversation about condoms in the room when we are about to have sex: "Just when I say OK, she asked me if I've condom."
Therefore, to avoid even that much of a conversation about condoms in my room, I will often be the one to bring up the topic in the bar, club or on the soi if the girl hasn't mentioned it first as your Rainbow girl did. And then we can hash out whatever agreement for extra money or not to go bareback as you did with her.
Not sure why you would be surprised about having an upfront conversation about bareback with a girl before you take her when it seems to me from your reports that it happens often enough in your experience too when the girl brings it up in conversation. I just prefer to bring it up and get it settled upfront if she doesn't, that's all.I understand what you mean. But 80% of the time the girls don't ask or even don't speak about condoms! Only few ask for condoms in the room just to get more money and it works all the time. That's why I never ask a lady before in bar or gogos to fuck her bareback.
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I understand what you mean. But 80% of the time the girls don't ask or even don't speak about condoms! Only few ask for condoms in the room just to get more money and it works all the time. That's why I never ask a lady before in bar or gogos to fuck her bareback.A 20% chance of zero sex with a girl I have barfined, spent an hour or two of my evening to engage with and taken to my apartment is too much. I'd rather have that conversation upfront, get it settled one way or the other in the bar before I have invested the barfine money and the time only to find myself an hour or more later kneeling on the bed sporting an erection with no place to put it.
Yes, I liked the 'Yo' deep dish pizza place at ArtBox (aka Detroit Blue Pan). There is one in my neighborhood in US. When I went over to ArtBox one night in late March, they had closed but perhaps that was due to Covid. Glad to hear they reopened. I also like the rice beer called Copper Beer in front right side of ArtBox. For a while they were selling it by the can for 80 bt. It's made from Jasmine rice too somewhere in Isan. Cheap beer and pizza equals cheap Charlie date.
I did see a lot of girls sitting at the rear section of Artbox a couple of weeks ago and mentioned it in a report at that time. I was with a regular repeat girl that night so I did not approach any of the girls nor did I get much of a FL vibe from them. They all seemed more interested in having their own drinking party amongst themselves than interacting with or attracting the attention of the single men sitting at nearby tables though.
That was right before the ban on drinking alcohol in restaurants was lifted. Another night I stopped in Artbox after that night and I saw very few girls sitting around there.
I quite like the deep dish style pepperoni pizza at Yo! Pizza in Artbox, btw. Other flavors are good there too.
A 20% chance of zero sex with a girl I have barfined, spent an hour or two of my evening to engage with and taken to my apartment is too much. I'd rather have that conversation upfront, get it settled one way or the other in the bar before I have invested the barfine money and the time only to find myself an hour or more later kneeling on the bed sporting an erection with no place to put it.I understand what you mean. But you know in Thailand even if you buy Thai condoms, each time Thai condoms breaks very easily. You know many years ago, I wanted to fuck only with condoms, and each time I was fucking the lady, each time at the end of the session when I come, I noticed the condom was broken.
And if really you want fuck her without, just take off the condom in doggy and fuck her again!
I stayed recently in the Grand Sukhumvit Hotel. And they have a nightclub in the basement? I was with a girlfriend at the time I walked by the club and could not partake, but there were some very pretty freelancers at the bar. I'the like to try it next time I'm there, after the pandemic. Does anyone know the name of the nightclub and what the particulars are about the club? Especially the going rate for short time. Thanks!
I understand what you mean. But you know in Thailand even if you buy Thai condoms, each time Thai condoms breaks very easily. You know many years ago, I wanted to fuck only with condoms, and each time I was fucking the lady, each time at the end of the session when I come, I noticed the condom was broken.
And if really you want fuck her without, just take off the condom in doggy and fuck her again!The condoms broke every time? Out of how many times? More than 20? That seems excessive. Are you sure you weren't mishandling, stretching them in all directions or doing something else a bit too much before putting them on?
No, I am afraid your tactics for getting bareback from the girls, leading them to believe you will love and support them forever, taking them when they are falling down drunk, doing whatever to break or remove the condom when they are not looking and so on are not really my style.
Not from an ethical or moral standpoint so much as from an impractical and bothersome standpoint.
Why not just try what I do, tell them what you want upfront when they are sober ("boom boom no condom"), early enough so they have plenty of time to think about it and make an informed decision to say Yes or to simply choose another customer if it is No and see how that goes?
GettingFedUp
07-06-20, 10:43
I stayed recently in the Grand Sukhumvit Hotel. And they have a nightclub in the basement? I was with a girlfriend at the time I walked by the club and could not partake, but there were some very pretty freelancers at the bar. I'the like to try it next time I'm there, after the pandemic. Does anyone know the name of the nightclub and what the particulars are about the club? Especially the going rate for short time. Thanks!TL,
Are you sure it's the Grand Sukhumvit Hotel you refer to? On Suk Soi 6, coming from Soi 4 it's on the right hand side just before the Soi turns left and heads up to Sukhumvit? My surprise is because last I heard a couple of years ago this hotel was reported as joiner unfriendly (I don't recall whether it was an absolute prohibition or THB 1500 joiner fee) and was removed from the various guest / joiner friendly hotel sites. Their main market became tour groups by the busload and it seems unlikely to me that a "family friendly" hotel would be allowing freelancers into the bar / nightclub.
GettingFedUp
07-06-20, 10:46
And if really you want fuck her without, just take off the condom in doggy and fuck her again!That would be engaging in an activity either without her consent or explicitly contrary to her consent. That is sexual assault and / or rape.
The condoms broke every time? Out of how many times? More than 20? That seems excessive. Are you sure you weren't mishandling, stretching them in all directions or doing something else a bit too much before putting them on?
No, I am afraid your tactics for getting bareback from the girls, leading them to believe you will love and support them forever, taking them when they are falling down drunk, doing whatever to break or remove the condom when they are not looking and so on are not really my style.
Not from an ethical or moral standpoint so much as from an impractical and bothersome standpoint.
Why not just try what I do, tell them what you want upfront when they are sober ("boom boom no condom"), early enough so they have plenty of time to think about it and make an informed decision to say Yes or to simply choose another customer if it is No and see how that goes?This is a good conversation. I've actually had about 50% of Thai condoms break because they are too small, cheap, was doing lazy dog and girl got dry and I lasted to long. I've had good success getting bareback without asking before hand but I'm getting to the point where I'd like to know its a given. My first attempt was asking up front on Thaifriendly and I was totally shut down, bear in mind 50% are fine with it if they come over without asking. That was a shock. But I have better luck in person. In US since everything is online I'm trying to meet once first then request bareback for second meet. Still work in progress for me.
Franciscass
07-06-20, 11:37
That would be engaging in an activity either without her consent or explicitly contrary to her consent. That is sexual assault and / or rape.Are there statutes covering a situation where a girl is fooled into believing her partner is using a condom. Could be wrong but I kind of don't think so. Cannot see it falling under the remit of rape or sexual assault. Would not she have to bear personal responsibility for ensuring he was wearing a condom? On the other hand I have no doubt she could sue in civil court for all sort of damages for stress etc. Now if she contracted a STD especially if it could be shown he knew he was a carrier that would be grounds for charges of reckless endangerment. Either way it is totally reprehensible that anybody would deceive a girl into believing he was wearing a condom when he was not.
FlAdventurer
07-06-20, 13:47
The condoms broke every time? Out of how many times? More than 20? That seems excessive. Are you sure you weren't mishandling, stretching them in all directions or doing something else a bit too much before putting them on?
No, I am afraid your tactics for getting bareback from the girls, leading them to believe you will love and support them forever, taking them when they are falling down drunk, doing whatever to break or remove the condom when they are not looking and so on are not really my style.
Not from an ethical or moral standpoint so much as from an impractical and bothersome standpoint.
Why not just try what I do, tell them what you want upfront when they are sober ("boom boom no condom"), early enough so they have plenty of time to think about it and make an informed decision to say Yes or to simply choose another customer if it is No and see how that goes?I think this is great advice and the only appropriate way to deal.
Mutual respect.
ApolloNull
07-06-20, 15:50
Does anyone know if Kasalong increased their pricing at all?
I understand what you mean. But you know in Thailand even if you buy Thai condoms, each time Thai condoms breaks very easily. You know many years ago, I wanted to fuck only with condoms, and each time I was fucking the lady, each time at the end of the session when I come, I noticed the condom was broken.
And if really you want fuck her without, just take off the condom in doggy and fuck her again!Firstly you make yourself sound like a total imbecile with your inability to perform basic tasks like choosing a suitable condom and using it correctly. Then you reveal yourself to be a total lowlife who think it's "cool" to commit rape.
Banana Boi
07-06-20, 17:11
Guys, you need to stop responding to the trolls.
This is a good conversation. I've actually had about 50% of Thai condoms break because they are too small, cheap, was doing lazy dog and girl got dry and I lasted to long. I've had good success getting bareback without asking before hand but I'm getting to the point where I'd like to know its a given. My first attempt was asking up front on Thaifriendly and I was totally shut down, bear in mind 50% are fine with it if they come over without asking. That was a shock. But I have better luck in person. In US since everything is online I'm trying to meet once first then request bareback for second meet. Still work in progress for me.Yes, my experience with getting an upfront agreement for BBFS+CIP with girls I've met on the dating sites has been that I get the worst results when I have only texted with them, much better results when I have video chatted at least enough to see each other and say Hello, best results when we have met in person.
And those best results when I meet in person naturally carry over to encounters in the go-go bars and FLs on the street or in bars and clubs to a various degree depending on the bar or club.
GettingFedUp
07-06-20, 17:32
Are there statutes covering a situation where a girl is fooled into believing her partner is using a condom. Could be wrong but I kind of don't think so.So if the male nurse or hospital orderly screws the patient who's in a coma because she didn't say "NO" that's okay? Or if she's out of it through drink, drugs, diabetic coma?
If the lady doesn't, or cannot, consent it is sexual assault and / or rape. The OP was specific in suggesting a method so that she could not be aware of what was happening and therefore could neither consent nor raise objections, or alternatively acting against the limitations consented to.
There was a case in the UK a couple of years ago where some ladies had consensual sex with some guy that they met on Tinder. The partner insisted they wore a blindfold because of shyness. Turned out the partner was a lesbian TV with a strap-on. Off to gaol (jail for American speakers) she went.
Are there statutes covering a situation where a girl is fooled into believing her partner is using a condom. Could be wrong but I kind of don't think so. Cannot see it falling under the remit of rape or sexual assault. Would not she have to bear personal responsibility for ensuring he was wearing a condom? On the other hand I have no doubt she could sue in civil court for all sort of damages for stress etc. Now if she contracted a STD especially if it could be shown he knew he was a carrier that would be grounds for charges of reckless endangerment. Either way it is totally reprehensible that anybody would deceive a girl into believing he was wearing a condom when he was not.It would be facinating if it turned out Thai law more or less agreed with my contention all along that bareback sex ought to be considered Real Sex while sex with a condom is, well, something else. LOL. I think that is what such a law would be asserting if consensual "sex" with a condom becomes an actual act of sex only when the condom is removed.
Otherwise, I would operate on the assumption that any resistance, wiggling away, attempted closing of legs, hand over pussy, exclamaion of "Condom!", etc during a session means No/Stop and that forging ahead anyway is a form of sexual assault.
Actually, any of those obvious expressions of resistance (the "Condom!" exclamation not applying) even when you are wearing a condom would still be a form of sexual assault, imo.
And it would likely be especially so if the man's reaction to any hint of genuine resistance is to display potential rage, violence, a tightening grip on the girl's neck, a balling up of a fist and so on until she goes silent about her resistance and does comply.
I realize such an interaction can be loaded with nuance as applied to the law. But generally the man knows what he did to convince a girl to "change her mind", to go along with bareback or anything else "without further discussion" in this way.
So if the male nurse or hospital orderly screws the patient who's in a coma because she didn't say "NO" that's okay? Or if she's out of it through drink, drugs, diabetic coma?
If the lady doesn't, or cannot, consent it is sexual assault and / or rape. The OP was specific in suggesting a method so that she could not be aware of what was happening and therefore could neither consent nor raise objections, or alternatively acting against the limitations consented to.
....But we're talking about a situation where an adult has consented to have sex. True, the falling down drunk part is cloudy though.
On the bareback vs condom issue, I would argue there is no reason whatsoever to assume, as a legal matter, that when someone says, "Yes, let's fuck," she or he means with a condom. Not even if it is "customary" for everyone that girl has ever known to only have sex with a condom.
If wearing a condom is the requirement or that person will feel sexually assaulted or raped, I would strongly suggest they say so with, for example, "Let's fuck with you wearing a condom."
However, as in my previous post examples, once the person genuinely resists and/or communicates "No/Stop" but the other person forges ahead anyway without a change of heart reached in the absence of the threat of physical harm, then we are heading into sexual assault territory, imo, condom or no condom.
Does anyone know if Kasalong increased their pricing at all?What was the old price?
I understand what you mean. But you know in Thailand even if you buy Thai condoms, each time Thai condoms breaks very easily. You know many years ago, I wanted to fuck only with condoms, and each time I was fucking the lady, each time at the end of the session when I come, I noticed the condom was broken.
And if really you want fuck her without, just take off the condom in doggy and fuck her again!It is because of lowlifes like you that farangs are being more and more avoided by the better looking Thai girls and Asians are the flavor of choice.
But we're talking about a situation where an adult has consented to have sex. True, the falling down drunk part is cloudy though.
On the bareback vs condom issue, I would argue there is no reason whatsoever to assume, as a legal matter, that when someone says, "Yes, let's fuck," she or he means with a condom. Not even if it is "customary" for everyone that girl has ever known to only have sex with a condom.
If wearing a condom is the requirement or that person will feel sexually assaulted or raped, I would strongly suggest they say so with, for example, "Let's fuck with you wearing a condom."
However, as in my previous post examples, once the person genuinely resists and/or communicates "No/Stop" but the other person forges ahead anyway without a change of heart reached in the absence of the threat of physical harm, then we are heading into sexual assault territory, imo, condom or no condom.Anyway, what I know is each time I go Thailand, Pattaya, Bkk, Phuket, or Cambodia and Philippines, all the sexy girls I fuck never use condoms! And when they ask condoms, if you really want fuck them bareback, the magic word is money or gold!
All the ladies fucks without condom, a few ask some tips and the best sexy working girls, pro escorts usually want big money!
If you give them what they want, if you give them the price they want, they ll all let you fuck them bareback!
Gold and money for these girls are the freedom! They're all obsessed about money and gold!
Even when you meet sexy lady, who has boyfriend, even she say to you she's loyal and stay only with him, even if the boyfriend takes care of her good, if you propose money she ll always say yes! And again without condom! You can get her all the time, it depends only of the amount you're ready to apy to have her!
Last time I was in hotel in Pattaya, the morning on breakfast, the 2 first days, there was a very sexy girl who stay there with her boyfriend (farang tourist boyfriend). The guy was totally in love as I can see and the girlfriend look like she was in love to him and she ignore all the men in the hotel who were looking at her!
And the next day I saw her alone, in the lift of the hotel, she was going back to the room of the boyfriend, and then because she was alone, I started to speak little bit with her! I said lot of bullshits to her, like when I was her in the breakfast, I was totally in love of her at first sight, that I was very sad she was busy with boyfriend. I said lot of nice things that I was ready to do everything for her. (I knew to get her, I would have to pay a lot).
And she say me she was sorry but she loved her boyfriend and didn't want to go with other man that boyfriend gives her big money everyday to stay with her!
So on that moment I know she wanted big money! Then I asked her how much the boyfriend pay her and she told me 3000 everyday!
And me I told her I was ready to pay her same just for ST for 1 hour now, if she was OK to come my room directly before she go room of her boyfriend!
And she was smiling, and she say she cannot! LOL.
Then I told her, it will be secret, nobody will know and in future I'll become her regular customer!
And I knew on that moment, she was almost ready to accept!
And to be sure she accepts, I told her OK "my last price, I pay you 5000" for 1 hour! And 5000 was the magic word!
She came fuck with me in my room much more than 1 hour! And you know what? I fucked her bareback! No condom! Nothing! And I came inside her pussy!
And she was very happy! And me too!
And now she's one of my regular working girls in Pattaya!
And she's still with the boyfriend who loves her and pay her condo and send her money every 2 weeks!
And she still fuck with me bareback and I know she fucks with many other men!
Thai ladies totally don't care about farangs or men! They just care about money and gold!
ApolloNull
07-07-20, 01:29
What was the old price?It was 800 last I went in Oct last year.
Anyway, what I know is each time I go Thailand, Pattaya, Bkk, Phuket, or Cambodia and Philippines, all the sexy girls I fuck never use condoms! And when they ask condoms, if you really want fuck them bareback, the magic word is money or gold!
All the ladies fucks without condom, a few ask some tips and the best sexy working girls, pro escorts usually want big money!
If you give them what they want, if you give them the price they want, they ll all let you fuck them bareback!
Gold and money for these girls are the freedom! They're all obsessed about money and gold!
Even when you meet sexy lady, who has boyfriend, even she say to you she's loyal and stay only with him, even if the boyfriend takes care of her good, if you propose money she ll always say yes! And again without condom! You can get her all the time, it depends only of the amount you're ready to apy to have her!
Last time I was in hotel in Pattaya, the morning on breakfast, the 2 first days, there was a very sexy girl who stay there with her boyfriend (farang tourist boyfriend). The guy was totally in love as I can see and the girlfriend look like she was in love to him and she ignore all the men in the hotel who were looking at her!
And the next day I saw her alone, in the lift of the hotel, she was going back to the room of the boyfriend, and then because she was alone, I started to speak little bit with her! I said lot of bullshits to her, like when I was her in the breakfast, I was totally in love of her at first sight, that I was very sad she was busy with boyfriend. I said lot of nice things that I was ready to do everything for her. (I knew to get her, I would have to pay a lot).
And she say me she was sorry but she loved her boyfriend and didn't want to go with other man that boyfriend gives her big money everyday to stay with her!
So on that moment I know she wanted big money! Then I asked her how much the boyfriend pay her and she told me 3000 everyday!
And me I told her I was ready to pay her same just for ST for 1 hour now, if she was OK to come my room directly before she go room of her boyfriend!
And she was smiling, and she say she cannot! LOL.
Then I told her, it will be secret, nobody will know and in future I'll become her regular customer!
And I knew on that moment, she was almost ready to accept!
And to be sure she accepts, I told her OK "my last price, I pay you 5000" for 1 hour! And 5000 was the magic word!
She came fuck with me in my room much more than 1 hour! And you know what? I fucked her bareback! No condom! Nothing! And I came inside her pussy!
And she was very happy! And me too!
And now she's one of my regular working girls in Pattaya!
And she's still with the boyfriend who loves her and pay her condo and send her money every 2 weeks!
And she still fuck with me bareback and I know she fucks with many other men!
Thai ladies totally don't care about farangs or men! They just care about money and gold!I can't argue with that. Whenever it is asked, "Do girls in this or that venue go bareback?" I have always said every girl fucks somebody bareback. The only challenge is to have that somebody be you.
And I agree that every girl has a price. The top Victoria Secret model or Kate Middleton in her prime had a price. Maybe in Middleton's case it would have been some mythical offer of "fuck me bareback and I will cure world hunger" or some such shit. But there was a price, something of value, an amount that could convince Kate Middleton or any duchess or princess to fuck a stranger bareback within an hour. LOL. Apparently, an offer to make her a duchess did the job.
Thankfully, much less than that is enough to convince Thai hookers to go bareback.
And, obviously, your getting all the necessary particulars with that hotel girl settled upfront is very much my preference.
We don't know if there was some confrontation or deception about condom or no condom in the room prior to vaginal entry, of course. But assuming there was none or that part had been settled upfront as well, that would also be my style. Although it is doubtful I would have interjected myself while she was actively involved in making good on her support deal with the other guy.
And I agree that every girl has a price. The top Victoria Secret model.... in her prime had a price. You mean like this?
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a10229392/miranda-kerr-returns-jewelry-jho-low/
I'm sure she was with the short, fat, old money launderer purely for love before moving on to the SnapChat billionaire. 😃.
Enjoy. G.
Franciscass
07-07-20, 06:38
So if the male nurse or hospital orderly screws the patient who's in a coma because she didn't say "NO" that's okay? Or if she's out of it through drink, drugs, diabetic coma?
If the lady doesn't, or cannot, consent it is sexual assault and / or rape. The OP was specific in suggesting a method so that she could not be aware of what was happening and therefore could neither consent nor raise objections, or alternatively acting against the limitations consented to.
There was a case in the UK a couple of years ago where some ladies had consensual sex with some guy that they met on Tinder. The partner insisted they wore a blindfold because of shyness. Turned out the partner was a lesbian TV with a strap-on. Off to gaol (jail for American speakers) she went.The issue is whether having her believing he was wearing a condom when he was not is a crime. So you need to find the statute he could be charged under. You mentioned two, rape and sexual assault.
Rape: "The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim."
Sexual assault is more wide ranging and varies from country to country but essentially "it is an act of physical, psychological and emotional violation in the form of a sexual act, inflicted on someone without their consent".
I've tried but cannot find a single instance of somebody being charged with a crime because she thought he was wearing a condom when he was not.
I don't understand the example you mentioned involving the male nurse. He is guilty of rape because there was no consent. How can somebody in a coma say no?
The UK case you mentioned is interesting. I wasn't aware of it and after trying to google it all I kept getting were porn sites. If possible can you sent a link.
Franciscass
07-07-20, 06:57
It would be facinating if it turned out Thai law more or less agreed with my contention all along that bareback sex ought to be considered Real Sex while sex with a condom is, well, something else. LOL. I think that is what such a law would be asserting if consensual "sex" with a condom becomes an actual act of sex only when the condom is removed..I am assuming ET your post is a tongue in cheek attempt at being funny otherwise I can only assume your wanting to chance the penal code and have all women available for BBFS has affected your reasoning. It seems you can get more than enough girls to go bareback so why not leave it, some girl will some will not, some guys want it some guys don't.
Franciscass
07-07-20, 09:57
I agree that every girl has a price. The top Victoria Secret model or Kate Middleton in her prime had a price..So ET every girl is a prostitute, it's just a matter of how much. Your mother must be very proud of you. You know reading the forum nowadays makes me wonder if there is a correlation between serial mongering and misogyny.
Guys, you need to stop responding to the trolls.I agree. This G person had already posted about having sloppy seconds from a drunken agogo girl back in early June. 2456792
That older post included a stolen act of feeling up another man's lady. Seriously, that's ground for a beat-up amongst my mates.
I do not believe any of G's reports, considering they are poorly written without a coherent prose, proper grammar or spelling checks.
Thus, his money-speaks story of 'stealing' away a TG in Pattaya hotel is unlikely, but surely repeated often in that thread (I don't read PTY forum, so someone else will have to check.).
Reminds me of another troll, whose handle starts with G.
ET is right that any push after resistance of any means is a no-no. I also agree about conscious decision, so I avoid drunk girls. If my lady of the night ended up intoxicated after a fun-filled outing, I let her sleep it off until next day when she's fully capable of consent. Being a gentleman goes a long way.
Seeko.
GettingFedUp
07-07-20, 13:35
I don't understand the example you mentioned involving the male nurse. He is guilty of rape because there was no consent. How can somebody in a coma say no?
The UK case you mentioned is interesting. I wasn't aware of it and after trying to google it all I kept getting were porn sites. If possible can you sent a link.The legal definitions vary from place to place. For instance in some countries it's only counted as rape if it involves violence (from memory Spain), in others lack of consent or an inability to consent is rape.
With regard to the Male nurse. If the partner cannot consent or refuse because she is unaware then it cannot be consensual. The OP was clearly choosing a method by which she couldn't know that the condom was being removed and so could not consent or protest.
The UK case was Gemma Watts https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-50985868 . It appears that my recollection is flawed because it was Instagram and Snapchat, not Tinder, and they omit the more lurid details on the BBC.
I am assuming ET your post is a tongue in cheek attempt at being funny otherwise I can only assume your wanting to chance the penal code and have all women available for BBFS has affected your reasoning. It seems you can get more than enough girls to go bareback so why not leave it, some girl will some will not, some guys want it some guys don't.Franciscass, I think that is a silly stretch to find something worthy of moral outrage in my post.
I was merely riffing on another poster's notion that even the law probably recognizes that having consensual sex with a condom is far enough away from having "Real Sex" that rape or sexual assault comes into play if the condom is removed during the act without the woman's knowledge.
I didn't need to do a Google Search to know there is no such law on the books.
However, I would bet serious money (figuratively speaking, of course) that there were a lot more members here for whom that same thought did cross their mind while reading Gilolo's report than just GettingFedUp 😁
It is now considered rape in the UK and most of Europe to remove a condom during sex without consent. Here's an example:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rape-condom-sex-worker-unprotected-lee-hogben-guilty-bournemouth-a8884726.html
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-consensual_condom_removal
So ET every girl is a prostitute, it's just a matter of how much. Your mother must be very proud of you. You know reading the forum nowadays makes me wonder if there is a correlation between serial mongering and misogyny.The world of hot chick models and things that are available to high rollers isn't something you should dismiss. Its a good old boys club, and not-so-secret side gig of models. That has the unwritten rule that you absolutely never ever discuss it with people who aren't part of the club. Especially in europe its even more straight forward on what is available to a select few and that for these models, well, that's just part of what you could do as part of the job if you want. Mostly though, its usually just being a hot chick getting paid to hang around with obscenely rich "old money" guys of whatever age and partying all day / night and sex isn't necessarily included. But you know, if they want sex, they can ask for the girl (s) that will, and its a service that's on the table for the right clients.
And now she's one of my regular working girls in Pattaya!
And she's still with the boyfriend who loves her and pay her condo and send her money every 2 weeks!
And she still fuck with me bareback and I know she fucks with many other men!
Thai ladies totally don't care about farangs or men! They just care about money and gold!From what I've read, and experienced with dozens of Thai ladies, is that many of them care for their family. Many support themselves and their family, mothers, fathers, children, etc, with the funds they obtain through sex work. Without sex work many would be much worse off financially.
It is now considered rape in the UK and most of Europe to remove a condom during sex without consent. Here's an example:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rape-condom-sex-worker-unprotected-lee-hogben-guilty-bournemouth-a8884726.html
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-consensual_condom_removal He was not charged with rape for removing the condom. This was the reason:
Lee Hogben, 35, ignored his female victims repeated pleas to stop during the session in a Bournemouth hotel room.
...
She said: “Hogben went beyond what was consented to by removing the protection, which the complainant will say was a condition of intercourse.
“She repeatedly protested, “I don’t do that – please, no”. She tried to wriggle away but he told her to stop. He told her he had beaten people up and robbed people.”
So ET every girl is a prostitute, it's just a matter of how much. Your mother must be very proud of you. You know reading the forum nowadays makes me wonder if there is a correlation between serial mongering and misogyny.I want to live in your world where men pay no price for it and females hand out sex for nothing in exchange for it, not marriage, not commitment, not support, not protection, not security, not fame, status or evil direct payment of money.
Where is that world, btw?
{Snip}You know reading the forum nowadays makes me wonder if there is a correlation between serial mongering and misogyny.Good point. The correlation is probably narcissism?
Franciscass
07-08-20, 06:30
It is now considered rape in the UK and most of Europe to remove a condom during sex without consent. Here's an example:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rape-condom-sex-worker-unprotected-lee-hogben-guilty-bournemouth-a8884726.html
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-consensual_condom_removalMy thanks for your research and I stand corrected.
The Wikipedia link does indeed show convictions for sexual assault in Germany and Switzerland as a result of stealthily removing a condom.
For the record in Switzerland the Supreme Court in Zurich later disagreed with the lower court's ruling and held while regrettable it was not illegal.
In Germany as I understand the legal basis for the conviction was direct evidence from the victim that consent to sex was conditional on wearing a condom. By stealthily removing the condom he was breaking the basis of that consent. In other words she was no longer consenting to sex.
The UK case was a straight forward conviction for rape not because he stealthily removed a condom but because she would not have sex with him without a condom.
Franciscass
07-08-20, 06:51
I want to live in your world where men pay no price for it and females hand out sex for nothing in exchange for it, not marriage, not commitment, not support, not protection, not security, not fame, status or evil direct payment of money.
Where is that world, btw?With respect ET you obviously haven't noticed that world is already here. Yes agreed it's still mostly a patriarchal society but more and more women no longer need men to take care of them.
Moreover while not generally accepted in polite society it's always been the case women have sex not just because it is a quid pro quo for support, security, fame, status or money but because just like the rest us they get horny.
Franciscass
07-08-20, 07:14
The legal definitions vary from place to place. For instance in some countries it's only counted as rape if it involves violence (from memory Spain), in others lack of consent or an inability to consent is rape.
With regard to the Male nurse. If the partner cannot consent or refuse because she is unaware then it cannot be consensual. The OP was clearly choosing a method by which she couldn't know that the condom was being removed and so could not consent or protest.
The UK case was Gemma Watts https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-50985868 . It appears that my recollection is flawed because it was Instagram and Snapchat, not Tinder, and they omit the more lurid details on the BBC.The basis for the grooming charges are obvious but less so the sexual assault charges. Perhaps the fact that Watts was 21 and the victims were 13, 14 and 16 ?
While deception was at the center of this case I fail to see the relevance as it relates to the stealthing that went on in the case of the discarded condom.
I've enjoyed the exchanges but as I'm not sure if we will ever see eye to eye can we leave at lets agree to disagree.
I want to live in your world where men pay no price for it and females hand out sex for nothing in exchange for it, not marriage, not commitment, not support, not protection, not security, not fame, status or evil direct payment of money.
Where is that world, btw?Agreed. There is always some exchange. It's not misogyny, it's simply the way it is. And Asians realize that and embrace it.
Good point. The correlation is probably narcissism?While the vast majority of men would be perfectly content to live in a world where we received zero compensation financially or otherwise for having sexual intercourse with any and all females, that cannot be the case for females. It cannot be by virtue of the inconvenient fact that it is the female of the species that gets pregnant, is pulled out of action for months before and years after the child is born.
We men can even be out fucking and making more babies during the very hour she is giving birth to the child.
Consequently, expecting compensation in some meaningful material way for the fucking is the normal, natural mode of behavior for females. Out of necessity.
Really, gents. You must find a way to rid yourselves of this damagingly Puritanical view of women expecting payment for having sex with us as a sure sign of their moral transgression and our hatred for them. Yes, in that way they are all hookers and we are all customers. Sorry.
Unless you want to flog yourselves with a wet noodle for engaging in this hobby that merely mirrors the normal, natural dynamic between males and females on this planet for the propagation of humanity.
Even my mother understood and accepted this reality, as all mothers would.
Agreed. There is always some exchange. It's not misogyny, it's simply the way it is. And Asians realize that and embrace it.Ah. Beat me to it as I was writing 😁.
Franciscass
07-08-20, 12:51
Really, gents. You must find a way to rid yourselves of this damagingly Puritanical view of women expecting payment for having sex with us as a sure sign of their moral transgression and our hatred for them. Yes, in that way they are all hookers and we are all customers. Really ET who is saying all women expect payment for having sex, as far as I can make out its only you.
Your thesis on the relationship between childbearing and dependency is flawed in a number of ways.
Firstly, not all women bear children, in fact in developed countries fewer women are having children.
Secondly, more and more women now have the financial resources to take care of themselves when they become pregnant. With maternity leave, flexi time and work from home now an established part of a lot of work environments together with the existence of childcare facilities sometimes within the workplace itself they no longer need to stay home and have men take care of them.
Thirdly it seems you boil down the complexity of relationships to the simple hypothesis that men want sex and women will only provide it if there is a benefit in it for them. ET I got to tell you there is a lot more going on.
He was not charged with rape for removing the condom. This was the reason:That explains why he got 12 years instead of 5. It seems fairly clear from this and other cases that if a woman consents only on the understanding that a condom will be used, removing the condom also removes the consent. Hence, rape is committed.
That explains why he got 12 years instead of 5. It seems fairly clear from this and other cases that if a woman consents only on the understanding that a condom will be used, removing the condom also removes the consent. Hence, rape is committed.If it's the woman who removes the condom in order pregnancy-rape the man, the man also gets sentenced. He gets sentenced to life-long child-support.
HorseTrader
07-08-20, 17:34
If it's the woman who removes the condom in order pregnancy-rape the man, the man also gets sentenced. He gets sentenced to life-long child-support.This could have happened to me about 20 years ago. During a position change maneuver, she took the condom off while I was unaware. 15 minutes later I realized what happened and she said she did it to feel better. The next week I scheduled a vasectomy.
This was a girl who had 3 prior abortions. Months later we discussed the incident and I said I'm glad she didn't get pregnant so a 4th abortion wasn't needed. That's when she told me that if she got pregnant from me, she would keep the baby. She was fucking me bareback for permanent financial security.
Really ET who is saying all women expect payment for having sex, as far as I can make out its only you.
Your thesis on the relationship between childbearing and dependency is flawed in a number of ways.
Firstly, not all women bear children, in fact in developed countries fewer women are having children.
Secondly, more and more women now have the financial resources to take care of themselves when they become pregnant. With maternity leave, flexi time and work from home now an established part of a lot of work environments together with the existence of childcare facilities sometimes within the workplace itself they no longer need to stay home and have men take care of them.
Thirdly it seems you boil down the complexity of relationships to the simple hypothesis that men want sex and women will only provide it if there is a benefit in it for them. ET I got to tell you there is a lot more going on.I was talking about what is hardwired in our brains over the course of 1000's of generations, not what just became available in terms of birth control or interesting new career options for women in the workforce.
Honestly, Franciscass, I am shocked anyone would need to point that out to you.
And, yeah, ok, I am sure we could find a few women in every community who need to pay men to have sex with them, much less not require payment of any kind whatsoever from a man for sex. wow.
Btw, I am not the only one here saying women expect something in exchange for sex. Goatscrot chimed in with the same point. Not saying payment as in money.
That explains why he got 12 years instead of 5. It seems fairly clear from this and other cases that if a woman consents only on the understanding that a condom will be used, removing the condom also removes the consent. Hence, rape is committed.I didn't see anything in that report that suggested he would have been charged with a crime had he not continued to have sex with her despite her resistance and repeated requests for him to stop. Which would have been every bit as much a crime of rape if he had not removed the condom or if she had fully agreed upfront to allow bareback sex.
Removing the condom was irrelevant to his being charged with rape other than that was her reason for resisting and requesting him to stop having sex with her, which could have been for any other reason that popped into her mind or no reason at all.
GettingFedUp
07-08-20, 19:22
Removing the condom was irrelevant to his being charged with rape other than that was her reason for resisting and requesting him to stop having sex with her, which could have been for any other reason that popped into her mind or no reason at all.So try https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/20/health/stealthing-germany-sexual-assault-scli-intl/index.html.
Your reluctance to accept that stealthing is plain wrong wouldn't have anything to do with?
A couple of guys I know who are also BBFS+CIP only guys take elements of your suggestion even further. They agree to everything the girls say and then simply ignore it:
"Must use condom, ok?"
Of COURSE, I will use a condom. I ALWAYS use a condom. Do you think I'm crazy?
"You have condom?"
Of COURSE, I have a condom.
Then they proceed through all the steps and motions, no condom, CIP and when the girl says, "Did you finish inside?" They just say Oh, Yeah, I Forgot.
From what I've read, and experienced with dozens of Thai ladies, is that many of them care for their family. Many support themselves and their family, mothers, fathers, children, etc, with the funds they obtain through sex work. Without sex work many would be much worse off financially..You're totally true! But you know, even when you take care these ladies, even if you send them every month big money, they totally don't care and go fuck with other men! It's very easy for a Thai lady to say she's a victim and she doesn't like fuck with farangs and each time she says she does that for money to take care her family because her family is poor! I don't say it wrong!
But you can't imagine, how many times, I saw good boyfriends, even me who wanted to save these ladies, who loved them so much that they gave her big money. Some men even bought them condos, motorbike and car and even sent them money.
And these men were OK they work with a normal job.
I know a man who love her lady so much, that the deal between them was he takes care her every month with good money, pay the condo and she has to take a normal job to earn her salary too.
And you know what? The lady say YES of course. But she didn't want to work anywhere, she didn't want to have a normal job! She was lazy and preferred to sleep all day and go party with her girlfriends. And to finish, she was going to fuck with many other men!
Most of these working girls don't want normal job, and don't work. For them work is give their pussy and they're very happy to do it!
So try https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/20/health/stealthing-germany-sexual-assault-scli-intl/index.html.
Your reluctance to accept that stealthing is plain wrong wouldn't have anything to do with?Yes, that one case in Germany has been mentioned. But he wasn't charged and convicted of rape for stealthing and the final outcome of his sexual assault conviction has yet to be determined since he is appealing it to two higher courts in Germany.
Where did you get that I was reluctant to accept that stealthing is plain wrong? I only said I did not believe the law recognizes it as rape or sexual assault. Now there is one known case still in contention of a conviction of sexual assault for it while how to write such laws is still under consideration. There is certainly no such law on the books in Thailand that I know of.
I hear all the bars are open and the international tourist has to go through a 14 day quarantine. So my question is (here in the Bangkok Forum), how are the go go bars now? What's Nana like? Soi Cowboy like? Anyone on the ground working the scene? What's it like inside the Go Go Bars? Is take out on the menu?
I would assume being a Bangkok or Pattaya expat would be pretty sweet w little competition.
Franciscass
07-09-20, 01:55
I was talking about what is hardwired in our brains over the course of 1000's of generations, not what just became available in terms of birth control or interesting new career options for women in the workforce.
Honestly, Franciscass, I am shocked anyone would need to point that out to you.
And, yeah, ok, I am sure we could find a few women in every community who need to pay men to have sex with them, much less not require payment of any kind whatsoever from a man for sex. wow.
Btw, I am not the only one here saying women expect something in exchange for sex. Goatscrot chimed in with the same point. Not saying payment as in money.I guess ET we could go backwards and forwards forever on this but go nowhere. You say all women are hookers. I disagree. You can have the last word I'm done.
Pimpampoumpipo
07-09-20, 15:51
I would assume being a Bangkok or Pattaya expat would be pretty sweet w little competition.And besides I suspect that all the members of the Thai government are expatriates who do not want competition.
................. Yes, in that way they are all hookers and we are all customers. Sorry............Even my mother understood and accepted this reality, as all mothers would.Women have sex with men for one of three reasons. Either the guy is good looking, is a good talker (seducer) or he is rich. In the latter case it is obviously sex for money and for the women he is the best marriage prospect of the three.
Women have sex with men for one of three reasons. Either the guy is good looking, is a good talker (seducer) or he is rich. In the latter case it is obviously sex for money and for the women he is the best marriage prospect of the three.Even with the irresistable, good looking, good talker guy, there is only a tiny percentage of women who would drop panties, fuck and move on with no strings atrached the way a man easily could and would with 1,000's of women if he had the opportunity.
The rest will expect "payment" of some form in exchange for the sex even with that guy; sincerety, attention, a return call, something. Doesn't mean they'll get it. But those who don't will probably feel some degree, however minor, of regret, resentment, something, knowing that they gave away something of notably more value than he gave away and for nothing. It is in the hardwiring of the human female brain.
Even if the risk of pregnancy is near zero thanks to modern science, the female is still assuming much greater risk of disease than the man because she is the receiver of fluids where he is not. And she is certainly going to be aware of that risk with the attractive guy on her (likely accurate) assumption that he has had many other sexual partners before her.
I hear all the bars are open and the international tourist has to go through a 14 day quarantine. So my question is (here in the Bangkok Forum), how are the go go bars now? What's Nana like? Soi Cowboy like? Anyone on the ground working the scene? What's it like inside the Go Go Bars? Is take out on the menu?
I would assume being a Bangkok or Pattaya expat would be pretty sweet w little competition.I looked into a few, stopped in 2 go-go bars in Nana Plaza for a drink last week and wrote a report about it. I haven't been back in one since, just passed by the area. But I can't see any reason there would be a difference this week.
My general impression was no different than being in a Bangkok go-go bar during normal times except for fewer customers.
I meant to return for another look this week and barfine someone. But got booked up pretty good with a new Thermae girl repeat, some dating site girls and a couple of my regular non P4P girlfriends. Nothing so unusual about that either though.
I looked into a few, stopped in 2 go-go bars in Nana Plaza for a drink last week and wrote a report about it. I haven't been back in one since, just passed by the area. But I can't see any reason there would be a difference this week.
My general impression was no different than being in a Bangkok go-go bar during normal times except for fewer customers.
I meant to return for another look this week and barfine someone. But got booked up pretty good with a new Thermae girl repeat, some dating site girls and a couple of my regular non P4P girlfriends. Nothing so unusual about that either though.Well thanks for the intel, it sounds great. Life is close to normal in some locales. Not so in the USA. I hope they do away w the Thai quarantine in the next few months.
Cheers and happy hunting.
Banana Boi
07-10-20, 00:26
I hear all the bars are open and the international tourist has to go through a 14 day quarantine. Where did you hear that you can get back in to Thailand on a 14 day quarantine? I'd book a flight tomorrow if that were the case.
No Brainer for me to do 14 days quarantine there. Girls would be lining up to see me in my room. They'd bring me good food too.
LittleBigMan
07-10-20, 01:25
Where did you hear that you can get back in to Thailand on a 14 day quarantine? I'd book a flight tomorrow if that were the case.
No Brainer for me to do 14 days quarantine there. Girls would be lining up to see me in my room. They'd bring me good food too.I think you know already but there is currently 7-11 items required being thrown around by the government then there is the dispute as to which country in the bubble they want to allow into Thailand. The 14 day quarantine is near the bottom of the list after you jump through the near-impossible long list they want.
GettingFedUp
07-10-20, 03:58
I hear all the bars are open and the international tourist has to go through a 14 day quarantine.Socker,
You seem to have been listening to Chinese whispers regarding international tourists. There has been a little expansion in who may enter Thailand from the previous "Thai citizens for repatriation only". However, it really is limited.
- Medical tourists and their carers who must undergo 14 days quarantine at the hospital. At the end of quarantine and treatment they are allowed to travel around Thailand.
- Foreign spouses of Thai citizens who hold a marriage visa who must undergo 14 days quarantine at an Alternative State Quarantine (ASQ) hotel facility. The list I saw a few weeks ago had costs ranging from THB 50,000 to 150,000. It should be noted that they take quarantine seriously here. I have not seen details on ASQ but the Thai citizens are confined to their room and their meals are brought to them by staff in full PPE. It is not the self isolation and be a good boy routine that some countries have adopted.
- Work permit holders and Permanent Residence holders who also have to undergo 14 days ASQ. Permanent Residence is not a matter of where you live full time, but an immigration status for which there are a whole load of hoops to go through.
- Business / Investor visitors. These do not have to do quarantine, but are restricted to a strict itinerary, not permitted to use public transport and not allowed to visit anywhere not on their itinerary.
Still excluded are Thai Elite Visa holders, Retirement Visa (or Extension of Stay based on retirement) holders, Long Stay (OX). Tourist Visas and Visa Waivers are likely to be a long way down the pecking order as things ease.
There is occasional politicians puff about travel bubbles but realistically very few places likely to be viewed as "safe" origins and those that are may choose to open up to other countries which Thailand would not find acceptable and so the bubble doesn't happen.
Finally, predicting when any easing is likely is impossible here. This is both because the situation in other countries is still evolving and when things do change here it's always at the very last minute. As an example the current visa amnesty put in place for those "trapped" here expires at the end of the month. That leaves a lot of folks here on 1 year tourist visas which require re-entry every 90 days (so called visa runs) uncertain what happens on 1 August. As it stands they would have to do a visa run in August but will not be allowed back in. When will they know? If it is a week before the end of July that the decision is finalised that would be very early for Thailand's bureaucrats.
Banana Boi
07-10-20, 07:13
Still excluded are Thai Elite Visa holders, Feel sorry for those who dished out between 500,000 to 2,000,000 baht ($16 k to $64 k US) for a 5 year Thai Elite Visa and it's pretty much useless for as long as Thailand denies entry in to their country, which for Americans could be a year or three.
Wolvenvacht
07-10-20, 07:39
I would assume being a Bangkok or Pattaya expat would be pretty sweet w little competition.Even at the height of the tourist seasons in better years, there was no competition of note for the charms of our sweethearts-for-rent. The amount of working ladies has always outstripped demand.
You seem to have been listening to Chinese whispers regarding international tourists. There has been a little expansion in who may enter Thailand from the previous "Thai citizens for repatriation only". However, it really is limited.That's a good summation.
One point I would add is to not believe anything is certain until it's been posted in the Royal Gazette. There have been many cases over the past few months where changes have been announced by a government official, from the cabinet or CCSA only for it not to be approved. Recommendations and decisions have been made public only to be reversed at the last minute. Complicating that is that provincial governors have the ability to add greater restrictions than set for the nation.
Franciscass
07-10-20, 15:08
That's a good summation.
One point I would add is to not believe anything is certain until it's been posted in the Royal Gazette. There have been many cases over the past few months where changes have been announced by a government official, from the cabinet or CCSA only for it not to be approved. Recommendations and decisions have been made public only to be reversed at the last minute. Complicating that is that provincial governors have the ability to add greater restrictions than set for the nation.We should not underestimate the pressure that will come from a situation where other countries are opening up to tourists. The uniforms may feel, they have absolute discretion to control but with the economy tanking and millions out of work it's more than possible that this overly cautious approach will be relaxed quicker than we currently anticipate.
Even at the height of the tourist seasons in better years, there was no competition of note for the charms of our sweethearts-for-rent. The amount of working ladies has always outstripped demand.But the quality has plummeted into the depths.
Even with the irresistable, good looking, good talker guy, there is only a tiny percentage of women who would drop panties, fuck and move on with no strings atrached the way a man easily could and would with 1,000's of women if he had the opportunity.
The rest will expect "payment" of some form in exchange for the sex even with that guy; sincerety, attention, a return call, something. Doesn't mean they'll get it. But those who don't will probably feel some degree, however minor, of regret, resentment, something, knowing that they gave away something of notably more value than he gave away and for nothing. It is in the hardwiring of the human female brain.
Even if the risk of pregnancy is near zero thanks to modern science, the female is still assuming much greater risk of disease than the man because she is the receiver of fluids where he is not. And she is certainly going to be aware of that risk with the attractive guy on her (likely accurate) assumption that he has had many other sexual partners before her.I beg to disagree, in my younger days I had a slew of male acquaintances who were good looking and suave and they competed among themselves to see who could bang the most women. They used to bang many girls for no payment at all picking them up at discos and clubs. Not everyone can do this and I understand if you don't believe it.
MissionAsia
07-10-20, 16:26
Yes, in that way they are all hookers and we are all customers. Sorry..If you want to get philosophical, I propose we're all hookers in some way. I'm whoring my time, health, and stress for money, med students working girl their youth for a big paycheck when they get older, etc.
Danny Duck
07-10-20, 17:53
But the quality has plummeted into the depths.Quality and quantity has taken a Nose dive.
I remember not long ago Rainbow 4 having EZ 150 girls on weekdays and much more on weekends.
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