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I beg to disagree, in my younger days I had a slew of male acquaintances who were good looking and suave and they competed among themselves to see who could bang the most women. They used to bang many girls for no payment at all picking them up at discos and clubs. Not everyone can do this and I understand if you don't believe it.I was never talking about payment of only money. That was another poster's characterization of it, not mine.
I have not met a womanizing playboy who can find a money-free fuck with a new girl almost any hour of the day who is not still required to jump through some kind of hoop or two before, during or after a fuck by either assuring the girl she is "special" or being pestered to call or see her again afterwards. That alone is a form of emotional "payment" in that it helps to settle the girl's mind that if something goes wrong and she gets pregnant or there is any other unpleasant surprise afterwards that he will at least not forget he'd ever met her and totally disappear from the scene.
That is a need for at least some minimal assurance of security and protection from the man that is hardwired in a human female"s brain for practical survival of the species reasons.
There is no human male counterpart to that need. It would never for 1 second cross our mind to need any assurance of that kind before accepting an invitation to fuck a woman.
Of course, that doesn't mean the man will do a damn thing about it if something unplanned or unpleasant comes along as the result of fucking her. Just that it is a normal, natural consideration in the head of a female to want the assurance. I suppose the only counterpart for a human male is the inclination (also hardwired in our brain) to help or rescue a damsel in distress. That is a normal, natural consideration in the head of a man.
And, no, I'm not talking about some 0.1% instance in all of humanity of a nameless, faceless orgy of 100 girls lined up facing a wall and taking it doggie style by 1,000 unidentified men suddenly breaking out on a Saturday night in a Pittsburgh bar that someone witnessed or participated in once or twenty times. I'm sure that happens, too. I'm talking about the vast majority of sexual encounters by everyone else on the planet.
If you want to get philosophical, I propose we're all hookers in some way. I'm whoring my time, health, and stress for money, med students working girl their youth for a big paycheck when they get older, etc.Now, imagine how much easier it would be to figure out how to pull yourself out of a pit of debt on those issues if you had been born with a vagina instead of a penis 😁
Crocodilexp
07-10-20, 22:36
Even at the height of the tourist seasons in better years, there was no competition of note for the charms of our sweethearts-for-rent. The amount of working ladies has always outstripped demand.There is "no competition" in a sense that it's easy to find an available time slot with any of the working girls if you were willing to pay her asking price. However, even moderately attractive working girls are rare these days (unless you have a fetish for tattoos, fake noses and monster eyebrows).
Supply / demand ratio has fallen sharply over the years. These days, any average looking girl can pull 2-4ST customers each day, so much that most avoid LT. Thinking about it, average girls are now stunners, most working girls are dregs. About 10 years ago, supply outstripped demand so much that plenty of decent girls were doing no more than 3-4 customers per week, and they'd jump at an offer of 1 k baht ST or 2 k LT. Going on a multi-day holiday at 1 k / day used to be a bingo for many girls, whereas these days it would lose them money.
There is "no competition" in a sense that it's easy to find an available time slot with any of the working girls if you were willing to pay her asking price. However, even moderately attractive working girls are rare these days (unless you have a fetish for tattoos, fake noses and monster eyebrows).
Supply / demand ratio has fallen sharply over the years. These days, any average looking girl can pull 2-4ST customers each day, so much that most avoid LT. Thinking about it, average girls are now stunners, most working girls are dregs. About 10 years ago, supply outstripped demand so much that plenty of decent girls were doing no more than 3-4 customers per week, and they'd jump at an offer of 1 k baht ST or 2 k LT. Going on a multi-day holiday at 1 k / day used to be a bingo for many girls, whereas these days it would lose them money.Spot on. And 20 years ago the ratio was staggering. There were far fewer punters. Just local farang, local Japanese, and the farang visitors. And the Japanese and the farang fished in different ponds. As more and more punters from countries closer to Thailand came, prices increased and quality decreased.
Where did you hear that you can get back in to Thailand on a 14 day quarantine? I'd book a flight tomorrow if that were the case.
No Brainer for me to do 14 days quarantine there. Girls would be lining up to see me in my room. They'd bring me good food too.I tried to find the article on The Thaiger but couldn't find it. I thought international flights were being allowed in Thailand again. The article stated a medical reason would allow entry including a 14 day quarantine but it seems I was reading what I wanted to see and not what was printed in the article. Sorry about that. LOL.
Even at the height of the tourist seasons in better years, there was no competition of note for the charms of our sweethearts-for-rent. The amount of working ladies has always outstripped demand.That's what they are (in most cases), sweethearts for rent. Before this virus Bangkok and Pattaya seemed to be in high season no matter what time of year it was. After a while you get used to the massive amounts of sausage all around. Sausage crowds don't bother me like they used to because I can still find that special dancer and get my fill. Hopefully nothing will ever happen to the pussy pipeline in Asia. Cheers.
Banana Boi
07-11-20, 04:49
Spot on. And 20 years ago the ratio was staggering. There were far fewer punters. Just local farang, local Japanese, and the farang visitors. And the Japanese and the farang fished in different ponds. As more and more punters from countries closer to Thailand came, prices increased and quality decreased.The good old days! How I miss the good old days of 2020 when I was still allowed to enter Thailand!
Bad timing on my part to decide to live in Korea and Japan instead. Oh well, can think of worst places to live than Shinjuku, Dotonbori, and Myeongdong.
There is "no competition" in a sense that it's easy to find an available time slot with any of the working girls if you were willing to pay her asking price. However, even moderately attractive working girls are rare these days (unless you have a fetish for tattoos, fake noses and monster eyebrows).
Supply / demand ratio has fallen sharply over the years. These days, any average looking girl can pull 2-4ST customers each day, so much that most avoid LT. Thinking about it, average girls are now stunners, most working girls are dregs. About 10 years ago, supply outstripped demand so much that plenty of decent girls were doing no more than 3-4 customers per week, and they'd jump at an offer of 1 k baht ST or 2 k LT. Going on a multi-day holiday at 1 k / day used to be a bingo for many girls, whereas these days it would lose them money.I wasn't here 10 years ago because I had taken about a 20 year hiatus from traveling to Asia up until about 8 years ago. But I can believe everything you and others have said about those times. The change for the worse must have also come about due to a much improved Thai and other Asian economies compared to the prior 15 years or so, which also enabled the greater influx of non Western punters in the most often mentioned tourist areas.
Maybe we will see a return to that dynamic once the reality of today's economic conditions really sets in and shakes out all vestiges of the mindset that was able to thrive over the past 10 years or so.
I saw a lot of new young faces in the couple of go-go bars I have visted so far since they reopened. But I have not yet had the free time to check out the attitudes in the privacy of my apartment. Hopefully, soon.
But in terms of the level of looks in the newly reopened go-go bars, I would say those new young faces and bodies fall into the usual tiered breakdown; 10% snooty, aloof lookers, top tier for the particular venue, 20% second tier aspiring to take business away from the top and more willing to do whatever it takes to do so (my favorite tier for that reason), 20% acceptably fuckable if you are willing to forgive more apparent to all flaws and the rest falling much more predictably in the "needs to accept even 1,000 for no discussion BBFS+CIP" tier category.
I have seen a lot more new young faces among the girls on the street lately, too.
Oliver Kitsoff
07-11-20, 08:51
There is "no competition" in a sense that it's easy to find an available time slot with any of the working girls if you were willing to pay her asking price. However, even moderately attractive working girls are rare these days (unless you have a fetish for tattoos, fake noses and monster eyebrows).
Supply / demand ratio has fallen sharply over the years. These days, any average looking girl can pull 2-4ST customers each day, so much that most avoid LT. Thinking about it, average girls are now stunners, most working girls are dregs. About 10 years ago, supply outstripped demand so much that plenty of decent girls were doing no more than 3-4 customers per week, and they'd jump at an offer of 1 k baht ST or 2 k LT. Going on a multi-day holiday at 1 k / day used to be a bingo for many girls, whereas these days it would lose them money.I think these bad old days have already passed on, and whether mass tourism comes back or not (My take is NO because I read medical research papers, not the MSM) so this, and the Greatest Depression, and possible top tier warfare in the Pacific will end it for our lifetimes, if you're 40 or over).
So by this time next year, if not as soon as they realize there will be NO season at all in 2020, whether they open borders or not, we're going to see the "good old days" back, unless the little green men fuck things up even more than they have since 2013.
But that "good news" prediction aside. Has anyone come down from the provinces since July 1, and what hotels are open, and do they still allow GFE like before? Is the Beer Garden open?
I haven't paid bar-fines in 20 years and I'm not starting now.
What else is open and rocking freelancers?
I've seen recent YT videos of the strip near Raumchok Plaza / Thermae has SW, are any "nice" bars or pubs allowing freelancers since the world changed forever?
I'll be in town from the 20th for a week maybe two.
Happy to buy anyone a beer if they would like to meet for a quick chat.
Thanks.
Balimassage
07-11-20, 12:18
I was walking on Soi 33 today. After my Akane massage, other the girls insisted I come in and look. I popped in DreamHeaven. Guess its 1800 but when I walked out they said "OK 1500". So looks like promos and deals are to be had, and I'm one to take advantage of them!
Anyone else noticed any promos?
I was never talking about payment of only money. That was another poster's characterization of it, not mine.
I have not met a womanizing playboy who can find a money-free fuck with a new girl almost any hour of the day who is not still required to jump through some kind of hoop or two before, during or after a fuck by either assuring the girl she is "special" or being pestered to call or see her again afterwards. That alone is a form of emotional "payment"..............In the mind of a player what you call emotional "payment" is no payment at all; its all part of the enjoyment. Some guys (not me) enjoy the chase and all the psychological complexities that go with it as much as the deed itself.
In the mind of a player what you call emotional "payment" is no payment at all; its all part of the enjoyment. Some guys (not me) enjoy the chase and all the psychological complexities that go with it as much as the deed itself.I don't mind doing it and enjoy it most when I genuinely mean it. But it is still something men "pay" in exchange for sex with women whether we enjoy paying it or not.
When we don't feel like being bothered with that particular kind of "payment" in exchange for sex, we walk into a brothel and plunk down the cash instead.
It seems oddly curious to me that there is any resistance to understanding and accepting these basic truths about men and women on a site like this one, of all places.
I mean, it's kind of central to why this hobby has existed all along.
Crocodilexp
07-11-20, 21:49
Star of Light, the infamous BJ bar has reopened. They have a new location, still on Patpong Soi 2, but a few doors up form the old place, closer to Surawong Road. As an aside, Patpong Soi 1 is nearly dead (on a Saturday night no less), while Soi 2 is somehow limping along.
They increased prices to 800 baht (from 700) for a BJ and to 1200 (from 1000) for full service. The good old "increase prices when demand is down" Thai trick. Now they're the same as any other BJ bar, and while still OK for a BJ, I surely won't be tempted by full service given that you can get a freelancer for a full hour for less.
The new location is brighter and cleaner, so that's good. It has a partition behind a heavy curtain for the BJ, and they no longer offer service out in the open in the bar. Good for privacy, but every place has that; doing it out in public and occasionally watching a few knobs being polished was the main, unique selling point. They seem to be scared of police now, I was told to keep my shirt on. Hoping this is temporary and that they'll be more relaxed in the future.
There were 4 girls and the service was nice, with one of my old favorites.
While I understand both the higher prices and the precautions, understanding doesn't make me horny or eager to visit again soon.
AssLover945
07-12-20, 04:45
Star of Light, the infamous BJ bar has reopened. They have a new location, still on Patpong Soi 2, but a few doors up form the old place, closer to Surawong Road. As an aside, Patpong Soi 1 is nearly dead (on a Saturday night no less), while Soi 2 is somehow limping along.
They increased prices to 800 baht (from 700) for a BJ and to 1200 (from 1000) for full service. The good old "increase prices when demand is down" Thai trick. Now they're the same as any other BJ bar, and while still OK for a BJ, I surely won't be tempted by full service given that you can get a freelancer for a full hour for less.
The new location is brighter and cleaner, so that's good. It has a partition behind a heavy curtain for the BJ, and they no longer offer service out in the open in the bar. Good for privacy, but every place has that; doing it out in public and occasionally watching a few knobs being polished was the main, unique selling point. They seem to be scared of police now, I was told to keep my shirt on. Hoping this is temporary and that they'll be more relaxed in the future.
There were 4 girls and the service was nice, with one of my old favorites.
While I understand both the higher prices and the precautions, understanding doesn't make me horny or eager to visit again soon.Ohh my god sweet memories at SoL.
That old place in the corner was iconic.
Good to know that they have not closed down. Just moved.
Went into Thermae last night about 10:30. There were a total of 7 guys and about 30 or so gals. We were the only two non-Asian guys. Stayed about 20 min. During that time a few small groups of Asian guys wandered in. There was never more than 12 guys in the bar at any one time. Saw one gal get pulled. Some lookers but many still obviously not interested in the white man, even though their prospects overall were slim. Lower Suk is dire without tourists. Many if not most of these businesses are not going to survive. Some groups of older women trying to ply their wears on the street as well. You get the feeling they are doing this out of desperation. It's a very sad and depressing sight. Only ray of light was the new beer bar complex on Soi 7. Seem to be some punters and some happy gals.
Danny Duck
07-12-20, 09:45
Many girls have told me this. Japanese guys are. Most polite is why they have favoured status. The fact they pay well is secondary.
With Japs it's go with the flow. No need for diagrams and contracts on what will be done, how long it will take.
...Only ray of light was the new beer bar complex on Soi 7. Seem to be some punters and some happy gals.I was there Friday night. Yes, the place was hopping at around 9pm but dropped back noticeably after 10pm or so that night when the expats went home (presumably). Very lively bars with demonstrably appreciative girls. Pretty much the only place I have been since the bars reopened where the girls seemed to really give a shit that they could start making money again if they behaved like they were at least happy to see a potential customer walking through.
I was with a date and did not barfine anyone. But we sat and enjoyed having drinks with a couple of other girls there. One was a former Butterflies go-go dancer on the fence about returning to the go-go bar scene.
I had only barfined one girl from that location before the shutdown, from one of the bars directly on Soi 7 before you get to Beer Garden. Had a good time. But lots of territorial jealousy and drama ensued immediately afterwards on her part so I have not repeated. Thought she might throw a barstool at us when my Friday night date and I walked by. Lol
As I alluded to, the girls there are more demonstrably pro active and emotional than most other venues around town.
Btw, at the 9pm hour we popped our heads into Beer Garden and there were only 4-5 ladies sitting in there and about as many customers.
Many girls have told me this. Japanese guys are. Most polite is why they have favoured status. The fact they pay well is secondary.
With Japs it's go with the flow. No need for diagrams and contracts on what will be done, how long it will take.Yes, they take what is offered and don't ask for more. They are easy customers. It's kind of ruined it for the rest of us.
I don't mind doing it and enjoy it most when I genuinely mean it. But it is still something men "pay" in exchange for sex with women whether we enjoy paying it or not.
When we don't feel like being bothered with that particular kind of "payment" in exchange for sex, we walk into a brothel and plunk down the cash instead.
It seems oddly curious to me that there is any resistance to understanding and accepting these basic truths about men and women on a site like this one, of all places.
I mean, it's kind of central to why this hobby has existed all along.It appears that for you the entire world is a mongering world. You are resisting the thought that there are other types of men out there. Even though one is on this site one could be aware that the majority of men do not partake in our hobby and there are even more men out there who get sex for no payment at all. They are good looking and glib and girls throw themselves at them. Having never experienced that does not mean it never happens.
It appears that for you the entire world is a mongering world. You are resisting the thought that there are other types of men out there. Even though one is on this site one could be aware that the majority of men do not partake in our hobby and there are even more men out there who get sex for no payment at all. They are good looking and glib and girls throw themselves at them. Having never experienced that does not mean it never happens.Yep, you got me. I should never have said 100% of the women of the world demand cash paid directly to them for sex and 100% of the men of the world pay cash directly to them for sex, no exceptions.
My bad. Man, I sure wish I could go back and delete that post of mine where I said that.
And, you're right. I probably had that all wrong because I have only had sex with a woman after promising to give her at least $100 in hard cash for it.
Happy?
HorseTrader
07-12-20, 17:54
...and there are even more men out there who get sex for no payment at all. They are good looking and glib and girls throw themselves at them. I used to work with one of those men. We would do frequent business travel together and he insisted on selecting the bar/restaurant for dinner every night. We might look in a few places before he found his prey. More than half the evenings he would get a date with a girl from that evening. A couple of times he would bring the girl to breakfast the next morning at our hotel. He has the magic. Within a day or two we would be gone and he would do it again on our next business trip.
I used to work with one of those men. We would do frequent business travel together and he insisted on selecting the bar/restaurant for dinner every night. We might look in a few places before he found his prey. More than half the evenings he would get a date with a girl from that evening. A couple of times he would bring the girl to breakfast the next morning at our hotel. He has the magic. Within a day or two we would be gone and he would do it again on our next business trip.That would describe about 20% of the guys I knew since college and all through my working life. Some would tell the girls outrageous whoppers to convince them they had a real shot at a lifetime of committed or marital bliss and security for hopping into bed with them asap, that they were model agents, casting directors and they saw something very special about them, whatever it took. Others were so good looking and/or funny the status of being chosen by them for sex was irresistible to the ladies.
Some of those guys tell me they would trade their life in the states today for mine in Thailand in a heartbeat. Especially these days. But I did marvel at how good they were at bedding down the girls by playing on their hopes and dreams or impressing them with their looks and/or charms back in the day.
BackpackBrian
07-13-20, 01:21
Just asking?
I know anything is possible for the right amount and I'm sure they won't go with you until they're off shift, right?
MichaelSamuel
07-13-20, 06:35
I know I am dreaming, probably too optimistic about the business acumen of a bunch of business owners who generally have little, but if there was ever a time for loyalty marketing this is it in thailand. From the BJ bar to the gogo, to any and every business feeling the pain of the tourism downfall. In a previous life I was the head database analyst for loyalty marketing for MGM Mirage in vegas and this situation is prime for making sure you can maximize your customer relationships and loyalty. Just in this example even if they felt they HAD to raise prices now that they got you in the door you should have never been allowed to walk out with either a return special offer, or at very least a line contact to do so later. In normal times you could argue there is less need since it's all 1 week millionaires, but you absolutely know now that isn't happening for probably the next 6 months. Even Macao casinos had VIP clubs were memberships were free ore relatively inexpensive. Familia Nobre's for example was sometimes free or wasn't much more than 1000 thb. For that you got 1 extra 15 minute massage service when you took a girl, a little discount on the girl, and 50% off if you took another in the same night. That's simple math to A. Keep you coming back, and be. Keep you spending. Some places do a light job on their social media platforms but there is so much more opportunity being lost.
Anyway, sorry for the rant. Just frustrating to be stuck in coronaville USA, bored as shit at work, and seeing opportunities not taken. If anyone knows a shop / bar owner who would be interested I would work with them for free just for the entertainment. Hope you lucky bastards stuck in country are enjoying yourselves.
Star of Light, the infamous BJ bar has reopened. They have a new location, still on Patpong Soi 2, but a few doors up form the old place, closer to Surawong Road. As an aside, Patpong Soi 1 is nearly dead (on a Saturday night no less), while Soi 2 is somehow limping along.
They increased prices to 800 baht (from 700) for a BJ and to 1200 (from 1000) for full service. The good old "increase prices when demand is down" Thai trick. Now they're the same as any other BJ bar, and while still OK for a BJ, I surely won't be tempted by full service given that you can get a freelancer for a full hour for less.
The new location is brighter and cleaner, so that's good. It has a partition behind a heavy curtain for the BJ, and they no longer offer service out in the open in the bar. Good for privacy, but every place has that; doing it out in public and occasionally watching a few knobs being polished was the main, unique selling point. They seem to be scared of police now, I was told to keep my shirt on. Hoping this is temporary and that they'll be more relaxed in the future.
There were 4 girls and the service was nice, with one of my old favorites.
While I understand both the higher prices and the precautions, understanding doesn't make me horny or eager to visit again soon.
MichaelSamuel
07-13-20, 18:27
Apparently yes.
Just asking?
I know anything is possible for the right amount and I'm sure they won't go with you until they're off shift, right?
Balimassage
07-13-20, 19:32
Star of Light, the infamous BJ bar has reopened. They have a new location, still on Patpong Soi 2, but a few doors up form the old place, closer to Surawong Road. As an aside, Patpong Soi 1 is nearly dead (on a Saturday night no less), while Soi 2 is somehow limping along.
They increased prices to 800 baht (from 700) for a BJ and to 1200 (from 1000) for full service. The good old "increase prices when demand is down" Thai trick. Now they're the same as any other BJ bar, and while still OK for a BJ, I surely won't be tempted by full service given that you can get a freelancer for a full hour for less.
The new location is brighter and cleaner, so that's good. It has a partition behind a heavy curtain for the BJ, and they no longer offer service out in the open in the bar. Good for privacy, but every place has that; doing it out in public and occasionally watching a few knobs being polished was the main, unique selling point. They seem to be scared of police now, I was told to keep my shirt on. Hoping this is temporary and that they'll be more relaxed in the future.
Today was my first visit to SOL. When did the price increase happen? 700 B is a steal, 800 B is still quite reasonable. You probably touched on why the price had to go up: new place and new higher rent. Anyway, service was great with Ms Nan, happy to pay the 800. Way better than the same price at Lolitas. I'd prefer a "private" upstairs room, although they told me the dog was quite keen to watch my session. Go figure.
To the guy who wants to reward loyalty: a little 4-person BJ bar isn't going to understand anything like that. A bigger spot, especially a GoGo, I'd hope they would be smarter. A few days ago at Akane, I got my "punchcard" for my sessions. In the past it was buy ten get one free. Since they raised their prices, they informed me I would get the free, but would have to pay cash on the price difference! Thanks for my loyalty!
Crocodilexp
07-13-20, 20:48
if there was ever a time for loyalty marketing this is it in thailand
Interesting perspective. Indeed, for a business owner chasing after the small (and picky) expat market, offering loyalty promotions is a good idea at this time. They aren't getting much business from random folks wandering around, that's for sure. Unfortunately, I doubt many people in Thai nightlife industry think that way, they're used to completely different market conditions, and not exactly nimble or innovative.
Star of Light had great service as usual, decent new premises, all is just fine, and I'll be back eventually, but don't feel any urgency to do so anytime soon.
You probably touched on why the price had to go up: new place and new higher rent.
New place has lower rent, that's why they moved. Old one was asking 50k/mo, new one 30k/mo. That's still a lot of blowjobs just to make rent, especially given the dreadful footfall at a time like this. Price increase is due to fewer customers.
While 100-200 baht isn't huge, with the 800 baht BJ price, I'm afraid they hit the psychological boundary of 1000 baht (when I add the 100 baht drink and a 100 baht tip I always give). At 700 (plus a tip), it's just a quick BJ on a whim, but at 1000, I'm considering if I really need to blow that money on what's 20 min of good fun, but still just the same BJ like I had 50 times before.
MichaelSamuel
07-13-20, 22:21
Humor gets lost when my pic upload didn't work.
Apparently yes.
Humor gets lost when my pic upload didn't work.So I have to buy 5 girls to get a free plate of wings and a couple of beers? Doesn't seem to be good value to me. 😉 😁.
Danny Duck
07-14-20, 05:36
Interesting perspective. Indeed, for a business owner chasing after the small (and picky) expat market, offering loyalty promotions is a good idea at this time. They aren't getting much business from random folks wandering around, that's for sure. Unfortunately, I doubt many people in Thai nightlife industry think that way, they're used to completely different market conditions, and not exactly nimble or innovative.
Star of Light had great service as usual, decent new premises, all is just fine, and I'll be back eventually, but don't feel any urgency to do so anytime soon.
New place has lower rent, that's why they moved. Old one was asking 50k/mo, new one 30k/mo. That's still a lot of blowjobs just to make rent, especially given the dreadful footfall at a time like this. Price increase is due to fewer customers..Price matters.
John Gault
07-14-20, 12:20
Today was my first visit to SOL. When did the price increase happen? 700 B is a steal, 800 B is still quite reasonable. You probably touched on why the price had to go up: new place and new higher rent. Anyway, service was great with Ms Nan, happy to pay the 800. Way better than the same price at Lolitas. I'd prefer a "private" upstairs room, although they told me the dog was quite keen to watch my session. Go figure.
To the guy who wants to reward loyalty: a little 4-person BJ bar isn't going to understand anything like that. A bigger spot, especially a GoGo, I'd hope they would be smarter. A few days ago at Akane, I got my "punchcard" for my sessions. In the past it was buy ten get one free. Since they raised their prices, they informed me I would get the free, but would have to pay cash on the price difference! Thanks for my loyalty!Wow they want you to pay the difference on the price of the punchcard. That takes the cake.
Wow they want you to pay the difference on the price of the punchcard. That takes the cake.I agree. I have a 10 punch card for a fish restaurant take out in my home country. So if it was $10 for fish and chips last week and they raise the price to $12 this week, then they would ask me for the extra $2 with my filled punch card? How totally Thai! Don't think that I would ever return.
No, you can't officially bar fine them like we can do in gogo bars. But, if you show your charm and magic, you can still get one with you, I succeeded once last December.
Just asking?
I know anything is possible for the right amount and I'm sure they won't go with you until they're off shift, right?
Balimassage
07-15-20, 09:31
Wow they want you to pay the difference on the price of the punchcard. That takes the cake.That was my take of the conversation but it was only in passing. I'll have to see where I'm at in the progression but I must be close. I think they also used to let you get your freebie and pay the upgrade to a 2-girl for instance so maybe that's what they meant. That is called wishful thinking and being Thailand, and them having raised the price, I would be surprised if I get my wish. Hopefully I'm within a punch or two now to finally cash in my "10% off".
Oliver Kitsoff
07-15-20, 09:50
Just asking?
I know anything is possible for the right amount and I'm sure they won't go with you until they're off shift, right?Treat hooters girls like McD girls or check out girls. Just date them. I don't want to get into a barfines debate. But I just stopped after my cherry visit about 20 years ago. These are desperate times, almost any working class girl with a pulse will consider a cheap date if you have better teeth than Boris Johnson and smell clean. Enjoy the upside, the longer the economy drags it's balls, the happier I'll be, and I'm no retired millionaire.
Oliver Kitsoff
07-15-20, 10:24
.... Many if not most of these businesses are not going to survive. Some groups of older women trying to ply their wears on the street as well. You get the feeling they are doing this out of desperation. It's a very sad and depressing sight. Only ray of light was the new beer bar complex on Soi 7. Seem to be some punters and some happy gals.I think that the army are quite prepared to see tourism die in Pattaya and Suk. They hope eventually the shake out will turn Tourism into what they want, Chinese / ASEAN groups and time poor want to be Hi-sos they can fleece and cycle the fuck out of dodge for the next plane load of mugs.
I also think that without a vaccine mass tourism will end, and that's that. Everyone acts like economic certainty is a right, look at a world war 2 documentary, there's no reason why none of that can't repeat next week. The economy is toast. This time next year will see a very unhappy Thai base, and massive unrest.
Tourism at any level past domestic and very limited corridors like Veitnam, is finished for 3-5 years at best, IMO, if it ever returns. Too many other places will never get the virus under the numbers thailand want, which is ZERO. It's irrational, and self defeating, but hav they ever not acted this way?
This is not a refutation of anything you said, I'm just adding my 2 c about how I predict it will go. It's pure speculation based on the dumb shit they always s do.
My main reason for posting is about the new Soi 7 complex, is that the old tunnel?
Sad to hear Beer Bar is so quiet. I hope it makes it. Really could not care less about barfines joints. I'd rather the girls went online. Like in COLOMBIA
I had a free night away from the 3-4 favorite repeats, regulars and non pro gfs last night so I decided to make my rounds through a few spots in the lower Sukhumvit area with the idea to probably wind up in Nana Plaza to check out the latest go-go bar reopenings. I was definitely not in the mood to screen any new girls, risk the likely buzz kill by getting No to either of my two happy ending options so I was fine with encountering a known good one to repeat but also open to being swayed by a very demonstrative, pro-active offer of one of those two services from an interesting newcomer.
Actually, I'd been doing a lot of fucking lately and was feeling very much in the mood for a skilled and determined BBBJ+CIM, extra bonus points for +Swallow. But none of the girls outside the BJ Bars were intriguing to me and, anyway, I was not interested in the uncomfortable cubicle routine and wanted a more elaborate lead up and pay off for the event in my apartment.
As I'd observed and mentioned before, there were a few new faces on the street scene up and down Soi 4 and along Sukhumvit between Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza. Maybe 5 new faces to me in total. However, I just wasn't getting the vibe I wanted from a girl I expected a good-to-great BBBJ+CIM from. I stopped in Thermae around 9PM. At that hour, there was exactly 1 girl standing at the top of the outside steps on the Sukhumvit front door side. Inside, the place was practically empty on this Wednesday night. Easy to make an accurate count; 15 girls and 4 customers, including me.
I saw a lovely, sweet, girl-next-door type I knew already and had taken for two very good BBFS+CIP Long Times over the past couple of weeks. She flagged me over to please talk to her and take her again. She's been sending me, no exaggeration, at least 25-30 "love you, miss you, heart heart heart" Line stickers every day and night for the past couple of weeks since our first LT together. But this night I was in the mood for a good BBBJ+CIM and that is a bit trickier than when it is only a BBFS+CIP since there are so many ways for the girl to ruin it near or at the finish when it is too late to change the subject. I've given this girl 3,000 baht each for those two LTs and would have done it again this time. In those LTs the DATY was delicious, she seemed to love every lick of it, the fucking was not wild but felt glorious in her superior vagina. No problem with that, particularly after I convinced her to trim back that wild patch of pussy hair before our second LT.
But there is no way I'm going to pay anyone 3,000 baht to get a crappy BJ that ends as a lame HJ or worse no matter how fine it is to cuddle with her into sleepland later.
Therefore, to remove as much doubt and risk of a crappy BJ ending as possible, I discretely told her what I wanted if I took her this time. "NO!"
In my cruise around the bar and on my way out of Thermae, I was stopped by a sexy, slim girl with a great body (as perceived through her tight jeans and halter top) who seemed very enthusiastic about me taking her. But I had just made the executive decision to only take a girl I had been with already and knew with a near certainty was going to give me what I wanted tonight with no discussion, no hassle, no buzz kill and no disappointment. I just didn't want to stand there and talk to this new one about anything. And I had no remote feeling of certainty about her delivering on any promise whatsoever. So I asked for her Line info on the idea that I would cover the details on Line and see her another time. "No have Line, no have phone."
Back to Nana Plaza through light rain, and there she was; a lovely, sexy, 22 year old dream girl type I'd been with a few times before and had been getting urgent messages to please come see her now that she was back from her province and her go-go bar had reopened. Working as a door girl at this moment. In the few times I'd taken her before I never shifted to a BBBJ+CIM because it was such a pleasure to fuck her that I didn't feel a need to change it up for variety. It was possible this night would be the same. Either way, didn't matter, I bought her a LD, paid the 900 baht barfine and off we went.
In the room, everything went as beautifully as before. She has great smooth skin and the DATY was delicious. I had a sense that she might not have cum that good or possibly at all over the past couple of months. I'll never know of course. But I did try to treat her to the kind of extra special oral sex one would give a loved one who hadn't had a good orgasm that way for a long time. Works for me, too. I was ramrod hard and ready for anything after she finished and I brought her down for a long, leisurely, luxuriously slow landing.
But this night I changed it up and moved into BBBJ+CIM position. She readjusted her position too and proceeded with one of the best first time (for me with her) BBBJ+CIMs I've had in a long time. She only required a minimum of tweaking to improve the action for my preferences. Great girl. There was no +Swallow this time. Maybe next time. But, otherwise, it was very much what I was looking for this night. And I definitely got the feeling the 2,500 baht I gave her for the couple of hours we were together was very much what she was looking for right about now as well. LOL.
I had a free night away from the 3-4 favorite repeats, regulars and non pro gfs last night so I decided to make my rounds through a few spots in the lower Sukhumvit area with the idea to probably wind up in Nana Plaza to check out the latest go-go bar reopenings. I was definitely not in the mood to screen any new girls, risk the likely buzz kill by getting No to either of my two happy ending options so I was fine with encountering a known good one to repeat but also open to being swayed by a very demonstrative, pro-active offer of one of those two services from an interesting newcomer.
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LOL.Nice report and good for this currently excluded regular visitor to see some action on the forum again. It was getting weird for a while.
RobertBurns691
07-16-20, 09:19
Joy was a working girl in Bangkok from around 2000 to 2015 with time off for good behaviour and long term relationships. Apparently she was well know in her day and used to pick up guys in Narz or Spaso, just wonder who else had her as she is very well trained in all aspects of sexual performance!. She is 39 now semi retired from the working game.
Steve 9696
07-16-20, 12:21
I had a free night away from the 3-4 favorite repeats, regulars and non pro gfs last night so I decided to make my rounds through a few spots in the lower Sukhumvit area with the idea to probably wind up in Nana Plaza to check out the latest go-go bar reopenings. I was definitely not in the mood to screen any new girls, risk the likely buzz kill by getting No to either of my two happy ending options so I was fine with encountering a known good one to repeat but also open to being swayed by a very demonstrative, pro-active offer of one of those two services from an interesting newcomer.
Actually, I'd been doing a lot of fucking lately and was feeling very much in the mood for a skilled and determined BBBJ+CIM, extra bonus points for +Swallow. But none of the girls outside the BJ Bars were intriguing to me and, anyway, I was not interested in the uncomfortable cubicle routine and wanted a more elaborate lead up...But this night I changed it up and moved into BBBJ+CIM position. She readjusted her position too and proceeded with one of the best first time (for me with her) BBBJ+CIMs I've had in a long time. She only required a minimum of tweaking to improve the action for my preferences. Great girl. There was no +Swallow this time. Maybe next time. But, otherwise, it was very much what I was looking for this night. And I definitely got the feeling the 2,500 baht I gave her for the couple of hours we were together was very much what she was looking for right about now as well. LOL.Thanks for this awesome report. So fun to read the on the ground detail. In "Nanpa game" there is this concept of abundance and how you can be so much more successful and suave when working from an abundance of girls and sex. Even tho you were paying seems the same here. You got exactly what you were looking for by working from a position of abundance and so not needy or settling for less. This is just an awesome story. Thanks for sharing during this tough time.
CockaSaurus
07-16-20, 19:33
Back to Nana Plaza through light rain, and there she was; a lovely, sexy, 22 year old dream girl type I'd been with a few times before and had been getting urgent messages to please come see her now that she was back from her province and her go-go bar had reopened. Working as a door girl at this moment. In the few times I'd taken her before I never shifted to a BBBJ+CIM because it was such a pleasure to fuck her that I didn't feel a need to change it up for variety. It was possible this night would be the same. Either way, didn't matter, I bought her a LD, paid the 900 baht barfine and off we went.Thanks for sharing the report. Which go go bar were you in?
Thanks for sharing the report. Which go go bar were you in?You're welcome. And, Steve9696, thanks for the props!
CockaSaurus, in the past I have given that specific info and more general info on the public forums about where I tend to find the most girls up for my oft-stated overriding requirement in order to have a successful and happy session; primarily BBFS+CIP, by far most often with an upfront agreement from the girl to provide that to me when we get to the room before I pay her barfine, take her from the club, walk away with her on the street, whatever. I might still leak out that kind of info here and there in the threads.
However, I think for now and the foreseeable future, I will only give specific info like that based on a Field Report through PMs and on a case by case basis at that. And, acknowledging that you did not ask this, but I also doubt I will ever give names, badge numbers, detailed and specific descriptions or directions for who or where any girls who have complied with my requirements can be found on the public forums or in PMs. To anyone.
Sorry to be unresponsive about this. But there are so many wannabe White Knight Crusaders here and elsewhere on the Internet against what I and others do in that regard, for all I know a girl I name or a uniquely helpful mamasan that brings girls directly to me off the stage who she knows are up for my requirement that I might mention and so on would tomorrow or soon thereafter be the target of a stern lecture, finger-wagging shame, humiliation, uncalled-for trouble and hassle, whatever. I just don't see how my giving out specific information like that would produce anything but downside and no upside for me. Not even in a PM to posters continually touting their delight and support for BBFS+CIP on these threads who, again for all I know, might be nothing more than White Knight Crusaders in sheep's clothing.
I know if this were the Philippines Reports thread, Jakarta perhaps and some others the issue of which girls give me or anyone else BBFS+CIP would be irrelevant. But, for whatever reason, there is something very different about that when it comes to Thailand in the minds of many punters. If that day ever comes where BBFS+CIP (and BBBJ+CIM+Swallow. lol) is routinely listed on Massage Shop menus, out of the mouths of mamasans and on Escort Service profiles as just another option available to customers throughout Thailand, perhaps requiring some proof of recent blood testing and an additional 500 baht surcharge, then I won't need to be so reluctant about sharing this kind of information. But that day has not arrived.
Then again, I suppose those of us in or planning to come to Thailand who prefer or require BBFS+CIP can always assume to be true what a few posters have repeated here for quite some time; that getting BBFS+CIP from any and every hot, young P4P girl anywhere and everywhere in Thailand is "the norm", easy peasy, rarely needs a word of discussion about it in or out of the room, only occasionally needs an additional small few hundred baht payment to get it any time of the day or night and so on. In which case, nobody needs any specific info from me for finding and getting what I consider a good session at all. Just go out there, choose the hottest Thai girls in the venues, the go-go bars, massage shops, clubs, on the street, on the Escort Service sites, everywhere, don't bother saying a word about it, maybe keep an extra 400-500 baht in your pocket just in case you need to offer it, if ever, and enjoy.
CockaSaurus
07-17-20, 18:44
You're welcome. And, Steve9696, thanks for the props!
CockaSaurus, in the past I have given that specific info and more general info on the public forums about where I tend to find the most girls up for my oft-stated overriding requirement in order to have a successful and happy session; primarily BBFS+CIP, by far most often with an upfront agreement from the girl to provide that to me when we get to the room before I pay her barfine, take her from the club, walk away with her on the street, whatever. I might still leak out that kind of info here and there in the threads.
However, I think for now and the foreseeable future, I will only give specific info like that based on a Field Report through PMs and on a case by case basis at that. And, acknowledging that you did not ask this, but I also doubt I will ever give names, badge numbers, detailed and specific descriptions or directions for who or where any girls who have complied with my requirements can be found on the public forums or in PMs. To anyone.As you stated I did not want to know anything about the girl, I was just curious what bars are open now and what they are like currently and also which bar has a 900 barfine.
Anyways thanks for the detailed explanation.
Cheers!
Franciscass
07-18-20, 03:44
A cluster of pop up bars just opened on Soi 7 also accessible from Sukhumvit. Earlier in the week I noticed a long lineup of girls with what I assumed were work applications of some sort. Don't know who's behind it or where they expect business to come from but God loves a trier and if ever he was ever needed to lend a helping this surely is it. Good Luck.
Balimassage
07-18-20, 11:23
Crazy House! How have I not found this place before. Went in last Saturday and was blown away to see 20 naked chicks dancing on the stage. Spent time in the BJ bars all day so was there for entertainment purposes only and I was very entertained!
Went back Thursday, one hot petite just had these fuck-me eyes and couldn't keep her away from me. Someone had already bought her a few too many tequilas and I got to reap the benefits. Two LD's got me 90-minutes of lap dancing. She wanted 2500+800 BF.
Say what you want about COVID restrictions, but at 1 am its LIGHTS ON and everything shuts down. So I figure no point paying a barfine when I can just message her after 1 am. Wandered Soi Cowboy a bit and there she was. Took her home LT for 1000 B. She was up and out at 10 am, even putting on a uniform that made her look like she worked at a hotel, and was off to Pattaya for some real job. Part-timer / first-timer at the House? Who knows. Funny chick. Great time, her pussy 2 x tighter than the non-pro I had the day before.
Last night went down to Khaosan. Wow what a change there, 99% Thai and hardly a foreigner to be seen. 95% of the bars playing music that is 300% too loud. The whole laid back scene in Rambutri is pretty much gone with the exception of the VW van. At midnight on the dot, police start making noise up and down the street. Managed to have some late-night beers at the Sawasdee hotel that has always seemed to be 24-hrs, but "lights out".
Fun times in BKK!
Danny Duck
07-18-20, 16:09
Pre c19. It was to my shock and amazement Rainbow Barfine a are 1,000. All girls not ju s t Coyotes.
Pre c19. It was to my shock and amazement Rainbow Barfine a are 1,000. All girls not ju s t Coyotes.I walked into Rainbow 2 go-go bar on the ground level, far right corner of Nana Plaza last night about 8:30pm. Some of the bars open as early as 6:30pm now since they must close by 12 Midnite these days (or 1am if no one is looking).
The stages in all the go-go bars that have reopened, and most of them have in Nana Plaza (not so on Patpong 1&2 and Soi Cowboy) are as full of girls as they would be during normal times but there might be only 3-4 customers in any bar at any one time of the night with about the same number of customers in total milling around outside the bars in the Plaza.
That was also the case with Rainbow 2 when I walked in last night. Stage full of girls, maybe 3 customers. As I stepped inside through the curtain making a beeline for a seat on the opposite side of the room, a few very eager, smiling and attentive drink servers gesturing me to please sit here or here or here so I would be in their area, I looked up at a very hot young dancer, the kind this bar is famous for, on the corner of the stage nearest the entrance and I threw her a big smile and nod.
That elicited zero response from her other than staring deadpan and grim-faced at me or let's say precisely in my direction as though I was invisible. Not a return smile, not a nod back, not the slightest acknowledgement that someone else had finally walked into her bar or, least of all, that I had made an effort to bring in a little polite pleasantry along with my money and presence.
So, with that, I stopped walking, dropped my smile, made a mock very sad face back to her, chuckled, turned on my heels, waved off the whole place and walked right back across the room, through the curtain and on to another bar.
Felt good.
I suppose busloads of Japanese and Korean tourists will pull up to fill bars like this one any minute now. So she, all the other girls on the stage, the servers and staff in Rainbow 2 go-go bar certainly didn't and won't miss me. I know I didn't miss them the rest of my lovely night. Actually, I didn't even think about it again until I saw your post about the Rainbow bars.
...I looked up at a very hot young dancer, the kind this bar is famous for, on the corner of the stage nearest the entrance and I threw her a big smile and nod.
That elicited zero response from her other than staring deadpan and grim-faced at me or let's say precisely in my direction as though I was invisible. Not a return smile, not a nod back, not the slightest acknowledgement that someone else had finally walked into her bar or, least of all, that I had made an effort to bring in a little polite pleasantry along with my money and presence.
So, with that, I stopped walking, dropped my smile, made a mock very sad face back to her, chuckled, turned on my heels, waved off the whole place and walked right back across the room, through the curtain and on to another bar.
Felt good...Haha, that was funny, LOL. I like your candor. I had similar experiences in some of my trips as well.
Haha, that was funny, LOL. I like your candor. I had similar experiences in some of my trips as well.I should mention that kind of attitude from the girls toward a farang man like me is not confined to bars like Rainbow 2 known for catering to Asian customers during normal times. It exists in one form or another in other places.
I went into Butterflies go-go bar last night, too, one of the bars I pulled from fairly often during normal times. I did not get the deadpan blank stare cold shoulder response from the first girls on the stage nearest the door, the ones managrment often hopes will draw you all the way in if you only peek through the curtains, as happened in Rainbow 2. There were pleasant smiles on tap from the stage to greet me as I walked in. So I sat and had a drink.
But I sat there among the 5 or 6 other customers sprinkled around the place for about 30 minutes, smiling at a few of the better looking ones among the 100 or so girls on the stages and did not get the least impression any of them were particularly interested in getting a LD or being barfined. From me, that is.
And I suppose I need to mention I only recognized 2-3 girls from before the lockdown.
So, again, I paid the 150 baht tab for my coke, handed the server an additional 20 baht and walked out. Only this time it was to meet a very cute girl-next-door type 21 year old spinner I met online and with whom I closed a deal for BBFS+CIP and an all night LT for 2,000 plus taxi fare. Closed it in a brief Line chat with her during those last 5 minutes I sat in Butterflies.
And it was everything and more of exactly what I wanted last night. She left at 10:30am this morning. I will definitely repeat.
Danny Duck
07-19-20, 06:38
I walked into Rainbow 2 go-go bar on the ground level, far right corner of Nana Plaza last night about 8:30pm. Some of the bars open as early as 6:30pm now since they must close by 12 Midnite these days (or 1am if no one is looking).
The stages in all the go-go bars that have reopened, and most of them have in Nana Plaza (not so on Patpong 1&2 and Soi Cowboy) are as full of girls as they would be during normal times but there might be only 3-4 customers in any bar at any one time of the night with about the same number of customers in total milling around outside the bars in the Plaza.
That was also the case with Rainbow 2 when I walked in last night. Stage full of girls, maybe 3 customers. As I stepped inside through the curtain making a beeline for a seat on the opposite side of the room, a few very eager, smiling and attentive drink servers gesturing me to please sit here or here or here so I would be in their area, I looked up at a very hot young dancer, the kind this bar is famous for, on the corner of the stage nearest the entrance and I threw her a big smile and nod.
That elicited zero response from her other than staring deadpan and grim-faced at me or let's say precisely in my direction as though I was invisible. Not a return smile, not a nod back, not the slightest acknowledgement that someone else had finally walked into her bar or, least of all, that I had made an effort to bring in a little polite pleasantry along with my money and presence..Pre corona Rainbow 2 was a hard weekday sell.
Except the better girls I don't know how anyone makes money there.
Say what you want about COVID restrictions, but at 1 am its LIGHTS ON and everything shuts down. So I figure no point paying a barfine when I can just message her after 1 am. Wandered Soi Cowboy a bit and there she was. Took her home LT for 1000 B. She was up and out at 10 am, even putting on a uniform that made her look like she worked at a hotel, and was off to Pattaya for some real job. Part-timer / first-timer at the House? Who knows. Funny chick. Great time, her pussy 2 x tighter than the non-pro I had the day before.
I remember a time when as soon as you got your phone out in a go-go bar a mamassn would be rushing up to you trying to prevent you exchanging numbers with the girl. Is that still the case or can you safely exchange Line these days in a go-go?
Banana Boi
07-19-20, 15:17
I remember a time when as soon as you got your phone out in a go-go bar a mamassn would be rushing up to you trying to prevent you exchanging numbers with the girl. Is that still the case or can you safely exchange Line these days in a go-go?Unsure about Bangkok but many of the top gogo bars in Pattaya don't allow Line exchange INSIDE the bar. Doesn't mean girls don't tell you or write down their Line ID for you. If they're interested in you they will find a way to give you their Line.
HorseTrader
07-19-20, 16:29
I remember a time when as soon as you got your phone out in a go-go bar a mamassn would be rushing up to you trying to prevent you exchanging numbers with the girl. Is that still the case or can you safely exchange Line these days in a go-go?I only know pre-COVID, but never would I be given Line ID openly in the bar. She would go to a back room, write it down, and hand it to me later. I sometimes carry 2 or 3 pieces of paper with my Line ID so I could easily give mine to her.
More typical for me is to just pay the bar fine and get her Line ID in the privacy of my hotel room.
Member #4698
07-19-20, 18:16
More typical for me is to just pay the bar fine and get her Line ID in the privacy of my hotel room.My goal is to keep things under control as much as possible and limit the number of Line ID's on my phone to essential repeat girls only. Otherwise my Line account would be inundated with 100's of ID's and I would not know who the hell is who. Thus I only exchange Line ID's after a girl and I have shagged and I still end up with way too many ID's of girls I have no intention of ever texting or seeing again. But that's just the way it is in SE Asia. Thank Buddha. An embarrassment of riches
HorseTrader
07-19-20, 20:32
My goal is to keep things under control as much as possible and limit the number of Line ID's on my phone to essential repeat girls only. Otherwise my Line account would be inundated with 100's of ID's and I would not know who the hell is who.We all understand that problem. Often they insist in giving their line information at the end of a session and I always smile and take it. I also tend to do a whole lot of block and delete, sometimes just minutes after we say goodbye.
Rumor has it that ARTBOX, the outdoor market on Sukhumvit Soi 10, will shut down on July 31. So get your fill of food and drink there while you can.
I had heard there was a growing FL scene developing in the sitting area near the bar and music stage in the rear of the site. But I can't say I ever noticed any of the groups of ordinary looking girls out for a night of cheap drinks and snacks back there interacting or making the slightest effort to interact with the men hanging around the same area. If true about the closure, that's too bad. Another Covid-19 casualty.
Rumor has it that ARTBOX, the outdoor market on Sukhumvit Soi 10, will shut down on July 31. So get your fill of food and drink there while you can.
I had heard there was a growing FL scene developing in the sitting area near the bar and music stage in the rear of the site. But I can't say I ever noticed any of the groups of ordinary looking girls out for a night of cheap drinks and snacks back there interacting or making the slightest effort to interact with the men hanging around the same area. If true about the closure, that's too bad. Another Covid-19 casualty.Not Covid, construction. They will start building on the site soon.
Banana Boi
07-22-20, 01:10
Artbox was cool when it used to only run 3 or 4 weekends per year. Lots of hot girls and it was the in thing to do 3 years ago.
Not Covid, construction. They will start building on the site soon.Construction isn't the reason a couple of food vendors in the place are being told the closure will happen as soon as the 1st of next month. Yes, there was going to be construction eventually, but not necessarily so soon. They were told the owner of the night market project can't pay back as many deposits she is required to return to the vendors who bailed due to the lockdown and lack of customers and pay rent on the site for another month.
Artbox was cool when it used to only run 3 or 4 weekends per year. Lots of hot girls and it was the in thing to do 3 years ago.Yes, it was an opportune time and place to meet good looking tourist girls and non P4P locals. But I never did see evidence of it attracting much of a Freelancer P4P crowd I'd heard mentioned even in these past few difficult weeks and months.
Applesauce
07-23-20, 01:07
I had heard there was a growing FL scene developing in the sitting area near the bar and music stage in the rear of the site. But I can't say I ever noticed any of the groups of ordinary looking girls out for a night of cheap drinks and snacks back there interacting or making the slightest effort to interact with the men hanging around the same area. This is my speculation and opinion only. I think those girls at Artbox are civilians or working girls who aren't actually working at the time. That Nana-Asoke corridor has a lot of hotels and I'd bet a lot of outcall girls after finishing a job might head to Artbox to meet their friends. There are definitely outcall girls whose agency photos I can tell were taken at Artbox.
I used to think the nearby Korea Town had freelancers but it always turned out to be civilian girls waiting for their friends.
This is my speculation and opinion only. I think those girls at Artbox are civilians or working girls who aren't actually working at the time. That Nana-Asoke corridor has a lot of hotels and I'd bet a lot of outcall girls after finishing a job might head to Artbox to meet their friends. There are definitely outcall girls whose agency photos I can tell were taken at Artbox.
I used to think the nearby Korea Town had freelancers but it always turned out to be civilian girls waiting for their friends.Yes, that is always possible. I did see a few girls sitting with friends who looked like they "could" make money hooking. But they certainly behaved as though they were off the clock and determined to keep it that way, not just toward me but toward any of the many single, double and groups of men all around. Maybe that accounts for some reports I read of girls approached there quoting 3,000 baht for ST and sticking to it.
Now, the largest crowds I ever saw back there was during the general bar lockdown and when you could not drink alcohol in a restaurant but ARTBOX managed to dodge getting busted for breaking the rules back there on the far side of the park. Since the bar reopenings and alcohol consumption in restaurants is allowed, the crowds back there have been notably smaller.
BTW, the new rumor is the owner is telling the vendors she might be able to keep things going a bit longer after all. But that might also be setting the stage for raising the cost of their rent from the discounted rate she allowed for a couple of months during and after the lockdown to higher than it was before the lockdown.
Banana Boi
07-23-20, 02:31
Yes most of the girls at Artbox used to be civilian girls at least when I used to go. The other hipster market similar to Artbox that used to be open on selected weekends was The Knack Market. Lots of nice girls used to go there as well. Not sure it still operate. I miss the Bangkok markets like Rot Fai and JJ Market almost as much as I miss the bars.
Walked through Cowboy at about 10:30 pm last night. It was bleak. Peeked into some of the bars and there were very few customers, even in some of the more popular bars. Lower drink prices and lower BFs have just not brought the locals in past the initial euphoria of the bars opening up again. From what I have heard down the grapevine, many bars are not paying salaries rather letting gals work basically as FLs. Without tourists (and it looks like it will be a long time before quarantine free travel is allowed, who knows maybe even next year), I don't see how they survive. I'd suggest to any owner, 100 Baht drinks and LDs, BF no more than 500 Baht and tell the gals no more than 1500ST. At those prices you might actually be able to get a few more locals in and at least pay the bills.
It's amazing how the entire GoGo scene has changed in the two decades I have been here. Back in the day, it was where you met your mates to drink. Why? Beers were 80 Baht (2 USD at the time). It was one of the cheapest places to drink and of course the gals. Over the years just about any other place aside from the hotels and high end restaurants became cheaper places to meet up and drink. The formula kept both the locals and tourists in the bars. The locals saw the bars through the long low season as well. Gals were paid under 10 k a month to dance. They made their money, well, that goes without saying. With the advent of coyotes and agency gals operating costs increased and drink prices and BFs climbed along with gal's salaries. Gals now are making 30 k a month which is enough to survive on, so they can hold out for huge ST fees. With the current situation we will continue to see prices for ST and LT decrease, that is if the gals do indeed want to make money. After the end of Sept when amnesty runs out, they will really have to rely on the locals. I imagine this will impact Pattaya more than it will BKK. Probably more amnesty dudes in Patters as opposed to BKK. Mid Oct might be a really great time for a Pattaya trip!
Walked through Cowboy at about 10:30 pm last night. It was bleak. Peeked into some of the bars and there were very few customers, even in some of the more popular bars. Lower drink prices and lower BFs have just not brought the locals in past the initial euphoria of the bars opening up again. From what I have heard down the grapevine, many bars are not paying salaries rather letting gals work basically as FLs. Without tourists (and it looks like it will be a long time before quarantine free travel is allowed, who knows maybe even next year), I don't see how they survive. I'd suggest to any owner, 100 Baht drinks and LDs, BF no more than 500 Baht and tell the gals no more than 1500ST. At those prices you might actually be able to get a few more locals in and at least pay the bills.
It's amazing how the entire GoGo scene has changed in the two decades I have been here. Back in the day, it was where you met your mates to drink. Why? Beers were 80 Baht (2 USD at the time). It was one of the cheapest places to drink and of course the gals. Over the years just about any other place aside from the hotels and high end restaurants became cheaper places to meet up and drink. The formula kept both the locals and tourists in the bars. The locals saw the bars through the long low season as well. Gals were paid under 10 k a month to dance. They made their money, well, that goes without saying. With the advent of coyotes and agency gals operating costs increased and drink prices and BFs climbed along with gal's salaries. Gals now are making 30 k a month which is enough to survive on, so they can hold out for huge ST fees. With the current situation we will continue to see prices for ST and LT decrease, that is if the gals do indeed want to make money. After the end of Sept when amnesty runs out, they will really have to rely on the locals. I imagine this will impact Pattaya more than it will BKK. Probably more amnesty dudes in Patters as opposed to BKK. Mid Oct might be a really great time for a Pattaya trip!I have noticed a few mamasans taking a much more proactive interest in asking me what kind of girl I want, making the brief rounds to screen for it and bringing me an eager candidate. Not all mamasans, to be sure. But some. Only 1 or 2 mamasans in town were even vaguely interested in doing something so useful in their job prior to the shutdown.
I suspect in some cases the mamasans are on commission only terms as well and the girls have to pay them their 500 baht or whatever commission when they return to the bar for scoring them a customer they might never have scored without her help.
HorseTrader
07-25-20, 18:24
....From what I have heard down the grapevine, many bars are not paying salaries rather letting gals work basically as FLs. Without tourists (and it looks like it will be a long time before quarantine free travel is allowed, who knows maybe even next year), I don't see how they survive.
... I can confirm an example of your news from the grapevine. In March one of my Butterflies girls went home to Buriram and lived with family on the farm. About 2 weeks ago she was part of a 4 girl group of friends who went to BKK. They worked in various Nana and Cowboy places. None of them collected salary, only commissions on a few drinks. I don't know if any of them got bar fined. All four girls are now traveling back to Buriram.
QLee keeps getting banned by ThaiFriendly. So she's not on there right now. She's happy to meet for same price listed before (2500 for 3 hrs, though will stay longer if you keep giving her stiff dick).
She's a very friendly, naughty, sweet, punctual, calm, horny lady. Will happily do almost anything you want. She has an MBA, no kids, comes from a middle class family, but does this because she likes it (mostly cam now, but definitely wants to meet more men in real life). Not young or skinny, but pics are accurate / recent.
I can give contact info to members who message me in exchange for a contact who does GFE / PSE for a reasonable price.
Hi Zeus,
The lady in your post sounds exactly what I'm looking for. Enthusiastic. Can you please let me know her age appropriately because l searched her name on TF and couldn't find her.
Many thanks.
I know a girl named Mintra, living in soi4, great body, love her ass in doggy, she is about 25 yo and she seems to love some good pse sex. The two time she came in my place I fucked her ass and she put one of my sextoy in her pussy while I fuck her ass. We even did some double vag using the toy. She quote usually 2500 thb for 2 shots. Let me know how we can exchange the contact as I am not a premium, I don't have bitcoin and live way too far to send a check to subscribe
QLee keeps getting banned by ThaiFriendly. So she's not on there right now. She's happy to meet for same price listed before (2500 for 3 hrs, though will stay longer if you keep giving her stiff dick).
She's a very friendly, naughty, sweet, punctual, calm, horny lady. Will happily do almost anything you want. She has an MBA, no kids, comes from a middle class family, but does this because she likes it (mostly cam now, but definitely wants to meet more men in real life). Not young or skinny, but pics are accurate / recent.
I can give contact info to members who message me in exchange for a contact who does GFE / PSE for a reasonable price..
I think if you reach 20 posts, you will be able to send and receive messages. I can't message you now. If you have internet, you can get bitcoins. Or just post more helpful posts and you will get messaging privileges.
QLee also has toys.
I know a girl named Mintra, living in soi4, great body, love her ass in doggy, she is about 25 yo and she seems to love some good pse sex. The two time she came in my place I fucked her ass and she put one of my sextoy in her pussy while I fuck her ass. We even did some double vag using the toy. She quote usually 2500 thb for 2 shots. Let me know how we can exchange the contact as I am not a premium, I don't have bitcoin and live way too far to send a check to subscribe
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Just arrived, back after 5 months.
Can someone confirm that short time hotels are open as usual? For example those in Suk soi 7. I won't have much time to look for one so any info is appreciated.
In addition, are there short time hotels in On Nut area?
Thanks in advance.
J.
Franciscass
07-27-20, 09:00
No local infections here for over 2 months meaning if reliable no possibility of Covid 19 reemergence unless it comes from outside. Problem is the economy is in ICU with a less than promising prognosis. Reality check, they have no choice but to start to reopen and that is what is happening slowly but surely. Already businesses that depend on low cost migrant labor from adjoining countries are being accommodated by allowing thousands back in with what seems like less than strict testing and quarantine arrangements. Medical bubbles, film crews, elite card holders, work visa holders, those with family members and oddball military and diplomatic groups are either here or on their way. Plans are already in place for limited numbers of tourists from some Asian countries where the virus is contained. When they will get around to allowing visiting farangs back in is I feel still a ways off and only then with pretty restrictive conditions. That said once the rest of the world is opening up to tourists it's unlikely Thailand will stay closed.
As to the local mongering scene it's about as good as it can get. A trip Sunday night down Cowboy was embarrassing in how many hands were dragging me hither and thither. Visited half a dozen shops, Crazy horse was a bummer, usual irritating hustle from servers and the ladies and a less than attractive line up plus a 170 tab for a beer. Best was Baccara, 90 baht beers and some real cuties more than eager to show their love, 230 lady drinks and an asking price of 3000ST dropped without me asking to 2000 before I headed on. Ended up with a more seasoned but attractive 30 year old from Country Road. Others may disagree but for me I feel like a kid in a candy store just after I got my pocket money.
Most of them are open as the girls are back in Agogo and street. I have been to one in soi4 price was still the same
Just arrived, back after 5 months.
Can someone confirm that short time hotels are open as usual? For example those in Suk soi 7. I won't have much time to look for one so any info is appreciated.
In addition, are there short time hotels in On Nut area?
Thanks in advance.
J.
Crocodilexp
07-28-20, 02:21
As to the local mongering scene it's about as good as it can get. The Bangkok scene is exceptional now because there are so few punters, and zero prospect of more coming in anytime soon. That makes the remaining women more desperate to snag a customer, and perhaps even perform well in hope of a repeat. At least it holds for those who are not too spaced out to think.
About a week ago I had a freelancer near Soi 19 for 500 baht, at her suggestion. I'm a stingy bastard but even I wouldn't dare offer under 1000 on Sukhumvit in order not to be offensive (in Pattaya it's ok). She wasn't a hag, a cute and clean 35 year old with no tattoos or fake anything, albeit on the plump side. Repeated a few days later too. At that price, and with good service, it's a no-brainer.
Unfortunately, quality is no better than it was before Covid, with numbers reduced. The scene isn't a patch on the mid-2000's when lower Sukhumvit was full of genuinely attractive women, some of them part-timers, many new to the scene, looking to score a 1000 baht plus maybe a boyfriend / sponsor. There are no desperate young office girls or university students, not even fresh farm girls coming back to the scene. It's the same old not-too-desirable Thais who can't even imagine themselves doing any other job, mostly dregs with a few borderline acceptable ones thrown in. One surprise are 10-20 stranded Vietnamese, some of whom are a well above Thais in looks, and a few still have that girl-next-door cuteness, not hardened with ugly tats.
I get an impression that a higher percentage of girls choose to be freelancers, since bars don't offer much in terms of job security or an advantage in getting customers. That suits me just fine as I'm not a drinker and it's easy for them to accept the 1000 baht that a session is worth to me, without the peer pressure or inflated expectations within bars.
To summarize, it's easy to get plenty of attention as well as decent service for not much money at all on Sukhumvit these days, IF you can manage to pick a girl among the not especially impressive offerings. On several evenings, I just couldn't being myself to choose, despite a few hours of browsing.
In the end, I must admit I feel rather conflicted and uneasy about how desperate the girls are. Refusing an eager offer makes me feel borderline guilty when I know another punter won't be along anytime soon. A few freelancers have even called out to me as I walked along with a girl already in tow. Unless you're blind or drunk out of your mind, the vibe is not exactly fun. Misery and desperation are not fun. Still, with the whole world burning, I'm happy to be stuck in Bangkok rather than elsewhere.
Danny Duck
07-28-20, 02:49
The Bangkok scene is exceptional now because there are so few punters, and zero prospect of more coming in anytime soon. That makes the remaining women more desperate to snag a customer, and perhaps even perform well in hope of a repeat. At least it holds for those who are not too spaced out to think.
About a week ago I had a freelancer near Soi 19 for 500 baht, at her suggestion. I'm a stingy bastard but even I wouldn't dare offer under 1000 on Sukhumvit in order not to be offensive (in Pattaya it's ok). She wasn't a hag, a cute and clean 35 year old with no tattoos or fake anything, albeit on the plump side. Repeated a few days later too. At that price, and with good service, it's a no-brainer.
Unfortunately, quality is no better than it was before Covid, with numbers reduced. The scene isn't a patch on the mid-2000's when lower Sukhumvit was full of genuinely attractive women, some of them part-timers, many new to the scene, looking to score a 1000 baht plus maybe a boyfriend / sponsor. There are no desperate young office girls or university students, not even fresh farm girls coming back to the scene. It's the same old not-too-desirable Thais who can't even imagine themselves doing any other job, mostly dregs with a few borderline acceptable ones thrown in. One surprise are 10-20 stranded Vietnamese, some of whom are a well above Thais in looks, and a few still have that girl-next-door cuteness, not hardened with ugly tats.
I get an impression that a higher percentage of girls choose to be freelancers, since bars don't offer much in terms of job security or an advantage in getting customers. That suits me just fine as I'm not a drinker and it's easy for them to accept the 1000 baht that a session is worth to me, without the peer pressure or inflated expectations within bars.I think a lot of the Hotter girls do it because they can, not because they are desperate.
Then the rest 1,000 and below girls. They are desperate.
Come on. Too many of us Plump means Fat. Fat means Mai Pen Rai.
The Bangkok scene is exceptional now because there are so few punters, and zero prospect of more coming in anytime soon. That makes the remaining women more desperate to snag a customer, and perhaps even perform well in hope of a repeat. At least it holds for those who are not too spaced out to think.
About a week ago I had a freelancer near Soi 19 for 500 baht, at her suggestion. I'm a stingy bastard but even I wouldn't dare offer under 1000 on Sukhumvit in order not to be offensive (in Pattaya it's ok). She wasn't a hag, a cute and clean 35 year old with no tattoos or fake anything, albeit on the plump side. Repeated a few days later too. At that price, and with good service, it's a no-brainer.
Unfortunately, quality is no better than it was before Covid, with numbers reduced. The scene isn't a patch on the mid-2000's when lower Sukhumvit was full of genuinely attractive women, some of them part-timers, many new to the scene, looking to score a 1000 baht plus maybe a boyfriend / sponsor. There are no desperate young office girls or university students, not even fresh farm girls coming back to the scene. It's the same old not-too-desirable Thais who can't even imagine themselves doing any other job, mostly dregs with a few borderline acceptable ones thrown in. One surprise are 10-20 stranded Vietnamese, some of whom are a well above Thais in looks, and a few still have that girl-next-door cuteness, not hardened with ugly tats.
I get an impression that a higher percentage of girls choose to be freelancers, since bars don't offer much in terms of job security or an advantage in getting customers. That suits me just fine as I'm not a drinker and it's easy for them to accept the 1000 baht that a session is worth to me, without the peer pressure or inflated expectations within bars.
To summarize, it's easy to get plenty of attention as well as decent service for not much money at all on Sukhumvit these days, IF you can manage to pick a girl among the not especially impressive offerings. On several evenings, I just couldn't being myself to choose, despite a few hours of browsing.
In the end, I must admit I feel rather conflicted and uneasy about how desperate the girls are. Refusing an eager offer makes me feel borderline guilty when I know another punter won't be along anytime soon. A few freelancers have even called out to me as I walked along with a girl already in tow. Unless you're blind or drunk out of your mind, the vibe is not exactly fun. Misery and desperation are not fun. Still, with the whole world burning, I'm happy to be stuck in Bangkok rather than elsewhere.Thank you for touching on an aspect of the current conditions I have been wondering how to express here or whether to express it at all; the lingering buzzkill of saying No every day and night to ten times more needy ladies than I have time, money and ejaculate to help. And, as you point out, it isn't as though the overwhelming options in this perceived "Pecker Paradise" are hot young babes eager to satify our every sexual desire. Most are hard cases in terms of looks, age, demeanor and, little doubt in my mind for my requirements, service levels and skills.
Where it has effected me the most is among my favorites who for months before the lockdown were already hitting all bases for me in every department and I was delighted to have them on call for a great low cost if not free LT any time I wasn't finding exactly what I wanted in a new hunt.
During normal times I might not choose to see any one of them but once every 2-3 weeks. And they didn't pester me very much in between because they were busy with other expat regulars here and there, too.
But NOW most of those other expats got caught outside the Thai borders on business or family issues, there are virtually no new and acceptable options for those favorites so I am in the position of picking and choosing who to help survive every week from among a stable of honeys, all of whom have certainly earned and deserve my loyalty.
The book and movie "Sophie's Choice" comes to mind.
And how to squeeze in the cute early 20s freebies I have been enjoying every few days and who I sure as hell don't want to "break up" with now?
Add to that dilemma my personal interest to get out there and experience more and new girls as well as do my part to encourage a MUCH higher level of proactively offered service from the better looking girls in the usual venues we'd find them in around here to hopefully markedly improve the overall ongoing scene for me and for the eventual returning punters after more and more flights are resumed and it is not as much 24/7 fun as many on the outside might understandably imagine it to be.
Franciscass
07-28-20, 05:58
In the end, I must admit I feel rather conflicted and uneasy about how desperate the girls are. Refusing an eager offer makes me feel borderline guilty when I know another punter won't be along anytime soon. A few freelancers have even called out to me as I walked along with a girl already in tow. Unless you're blind or drunk out of your mind, the vibe is not exactly fun. Misery and desperation are not fun. Still, with the whole world burning, I'm happy to be stuck in Bangkok rather than elsewhere.Absolutely the street scene is mostly sad and depressing. There is a palpable sense of desperation out there that is almost tantamount to begging. I avoid eye contact to minimize feelings of helplessness but occasionally give a couple hundred baht to some of the older women, at least they can eat for a few days.
Now gogos are a different proposition. While aware the prettiest girls always worked there I wasn't a fan before. Over priced drinks, too crowded, a need to keep an eye on your bill, complications choosing a girl with competition for the best looking girls from younger Asians and self-styled track stars with so called game, interfering pushy mamasans, obligatory lady drinks and the need for price and service negotiations why bother.
Not anymore, not since they reopened. Competition now pretty much nonexistent unless ET is on the prowl, drink prices down on most of Cowboy and the cutest girls not only available but eager to go with you at reduced rates and a willingness to genuinely take care of you not just in word but in deed.
I have been here over 20 years, yes back in the good days the scene was different, cheaper, more accommodating to farangs but that was then. For those of us fortunate enough to be here now I would suggest putting nostalgic reminiscing away for a while and enjoy what a year from now will also become another nostalgic reminiscence.
Banana Boi
07-29-20, 03:35
For those of us fortunate enough to be here now I would suggest putting nostalgic reminiscing away for a while and enjoy what a year from now will also become another nostalgic reminiscence.Imo those who reminisce about the past don't have much going on in their lives right now. I have a married friend who has nothing but domestic living with his wife and kids now and he continually keeps reminiscing about 20 years ago when we were going to nightclubs every night picking up civilian girls.
it is human nature to reminisce about the past. Take a few minutes and read the archives on this board. Guys were complaining in what is now the Good Old Days about how it sucked and was better in the days prior to the Good Old Days!
Since I'm currently stuck outside looking in I say that I sure do miss the Good Old Days of 2016!
Brit Abroad
07-29-20, 10:54
Just arrived, back after 5 months.
Can someone confirm that short time hotels are open as usual? For example those in Suk soi 7. I won't have much time to look for one so any info is appreciated.
In addition, are there short time hotels in On Nut area?
Thanks in advance.
J.I have been offered ST meeting in Lee Garden hotel On-nut.
I live too far away so didn't go.
I still find interesting how girls in the street, meeting apps keep asking for crazy amount. Yesterday around 1 am I couldn't sleep and got quite horny, so I took my back and had a drive through Sukhumvit and Soi nana. Not much freelancer in Nana, I believe maybe because of the PH, but then near to the new Hyatt and Sofitel, I talked to 2 girls, one asking 2500 thb for ST the other one 2000 thb also for ST. I even didn't bother negotiating, I always believe that if I have to negotiate, service would be lower quality. I know situation is bad for them, but they should also consider that people here for now can be kind of regular customers and I don't mind if I had a good time to give a good tip. Since the lockdown I met some freelance on Tinder and Soi Nana. 4 of them asked me first time for 2000 thb for w shot and 500 thb more if anal for 3 of them. I had great time with them, they are nice to talk with, funny, very pretty, naughty. Finally I keep meeting each of them once / twice a month depending on my horny mood. They are happy each time I contact them I sometimes invite them for a drink or a dinner without having sex, just to bring them out having some fun and they give it well back later in the bed when I call them. This is for me the way they should think, but I believe it is easier to accuse the Fatality of not having customer than considering they don't do it the right way.
Also, yesterday I stopped at Bilboard, had a soda water as I am on a non alcool, no sugar, for the next 2 weeks, and they charge it 150 thb. Seriously for a fucking soda water. At the end, I drink it and left quickly, didn't want to spend time with girl trying to get a LD that would cost way too much and especially knowing I would not take her as I rarely take any Agogo girl. After living 8 years in SEA including 3 in Bkk I have to say that they don't really know how to drive a business and I would not being surprise price goes up when borders will reopen, this is already what happen in 2014 after the fights between red and yellow
Absolutely the street scene is mostly sad and depressing. There is a palpable sense of desperation out there that is almost tantamount to begging. I avoid eye contact to minimize feelings of helplessness but occasionally give a couple hundred baht to some of the older women, at least they can eat for a few days.
Now gogos are a different proposition. While aware the prettiest girls always worked there I wasn't a fan before. Over priced drinks, too crowded, a need to keep an eye on your bill, complications choosing a girl with competition for the best looking girls from younger Asians and self-styled track stars with so called game, interfering pushy mamasans, obligatory lady drinks and the need for price and service negotiations why bother..
ExpatAbroad
07-29-20, 12:28
I have used Lee garden hotel once in soi onnut.
Just arrived, back after 5 months.
Can someone confirm that short time hotels are open as usual? For example those in Suk soi 7. I won't have much time to look for one so any info is appreciated.
In addition, are there short time hotels in On Nut area?
Thanks in advance.
J.
ExpatAbroad
07-29-20, 12:32
Thank you, I do not know any GFE females as I live in the suburbs sorry.
QLee keeps getting banned by ThaiFriendly. So she's not on there right now. She's happy to meet for same price listed before (2500 for 3 hrs, though will stay longer if you keep giving her stiff dick).
She's a very friendly, naughty, sweet, punctual, calm, horny lady. Will happily do almost anything you want. She has an MBA, no kids, comes from a middle class family, but does this because she likes it (mostly cam now, but definitely wants to meet more men in real life). Not young or skinny, but pics are accurate / recent.
I can give contact info to members who message me in exchange for a contact who does GFE / PSE for a reasonable price.
ExpatAbroad
07-29-20, 12:54
Hi Zeus,
Did you ever find out the soi?
I live up that way.
Cheers.
I just read a coconuts article mentioning this area in Pathum Thani. A couple girls got fined for not wearing a mask while offering boom boom in the street to passing cars, 555! Apparently that area is known for that. It seems like a fun trip to me, but I'm not sure of the exact location of the street. Soi Pan Sook (translates to sharing) is a local nickname. So I have no idea of the real street name. Is anybody aware of where it could be, or has been to this area? I'm close to Pathum Thani. So I'the be happy to report more if I can find it.
Last night went out again to see if it was busier than Tuesday night, but as it was a bit raining, the scene was about the same. However passing front of Sofitel I noticed this skinny girl walking and looking around her. I stopped and she noticed me. She asked 1000 thb ST and 2000 thb LT. I took her and we went in my home. She is very skinny, but surprisingly still has some nice tits. Her name Toyjoy (that's not from me I swear) 33 yo, I would say quite cute face with beautiful eyes, english close to 0, but she keep smiling like an innocent. I had that fantasy to fuck one skinny like that, lucky me found her. Going to shower she takes the time, start to be playful, I like that! Provide her a DATY and she started to be quite wet. BJ is just OK, she cannot go too deep. Then she came on me and I felt it to be deep in her. She start riding me, we change some position and tried to finger her ass. She doesn't say no, so took some oil and lub and tried to get in. I am not sure she does it very often, but she let me in, slowly, not so deep, but still. I stopped quickly as I saw she was not enjoying it and get back to her tight pussy. Then after a good session, I COF. Shower and called her a taxi. The plus plus that I liked then was While waiting the taxi, she was lay down on the sofa and started to rub my dick with her foot. Asked her for another round, she smiled and say yes, which in normal time I would have been back at it right away but got a bit tired. Damage 1000+tips, she is nice girl, I took her whatsapp and will certainly call her back.
Crocodilexp
07-30-20, 08:21
I always believe that if I have to negotiate, service would be lower quality. Back in the old times when decent girls were plentiful and most were asking for 1000 baht, I shared your opinion too, I would have rather not negotiated in order not to spoil the mood. Was easy to simply pass up the ones who were asking for too much (and feels good too).
These days, however, doable girls on Sukhumvit are exceedingly rare, and most would quote way too much money off the bat. A typical one-and-done session is just not worth more than 1000 baht for me. No option now except to negotiate, but I prefer to throw out my price first ("is 1000 ok? Good old anchoring technique, and let her figure it out. Being sweet helps, a few times I exchanged Line with the girl and was apologetic about only being able to offer 1000, but she can always send me a message if she changes her mind (or if I win the lottery, I pay her 10 k, 555). Many do tend to change their mind after 30 min of watching zero customers walk by.
I know situation is bad for them, but they should also consider that people here for now can be kind of regular customers and I don't mind if I had a good time to give a good tip.Most of the Thai working girls over the last few years are not the brightest of bulbs and set in their ways. They're more likely to just instinctively continue whatever they were doing before Covid, rather than reassess the situation and adapt. Business logic would dictate that they would prefer long-time too (for a small extra fee, or even just for a tip and prospect of repeat business), as chances of getting more than one customer in an evening are almost nil. They tend not to do this.
Francesco24
07-30-20, 08:45
Back in the old times when decent girls were plentiful and most were asking for 1000 baht, I shared your opinion too, I would have rather not negotiated in order not to spoil the mood. Was easy to simply pass up the ones who were asking for too much (and feels good too).
These days, however, doable girls on Sukhumvit are exceedingly rare, and most would quote way too much money off the bat. A typical one-and-done session is just not worth more than 1000 baht for me. No option now except to negotiate, but I prefer to throw out my price first ("is 1000 ok? Good old anchoring technique, and let her figure it out. Being sweet helps, a few times I exchanged Line with the girl and was apologetic about only being able to offer 1000, but she can always send me a message if she changes her mind (or if I win the lottery, I pay her 10 k, 555). Many do tend to change their mind after 30 min of watching zero customers walk by.
Most of the Thai working girls over the last few years are not the brightest of bulbs and set in their ways. They're more likely to just instinctively continue whatever they were doing before Covid, rather than reassess the situation and adapt. Business logic would dictate that they would prefer long-time too (for a small extra fee, or even just for a tip and prospect of repeat business), as chances of getting more than one customer in an evening are almost nil. They tend not to do this.I find it difficult to find any decent looking girl for less than 1500 lately. Whatever on the streets or online. At the end I usually give in for 1500 and mostly it's just a very mediocre service. My only regular moved to ChiangMai too.
I still find interesting how girls in the street, meeting apps keep asking for crazy amount...I will confirm as well regarding the current scene that I have experienced during these hard economic times.
I'm not as experienced in Thailand (or SEA in general) but after all the the initial rush and excitement of being in Thailand, this place is beginning to frustrate and wear me out.
Without going into great details, recently, there was a misunderstanding at a BJ bar (7-Heaven) that I just cannot understand. After so many visits to the same place, you would think they would take great care to provide some decent customer service and reward loyalty. Nope. Anyways that place is no longer part of my monthly routine.
This past month:
Went to Tokyo BJ bar (on Soi 33) and was not impressed. Service with the girl I chose was so-so.
Checked out Soi Cowboy on different days of the week; depressing. Checked out Nana Plaza in the same fashion; depressing.
A lot of girls in Billboard; yet same ridiculous prices.
I wonder who are actually running these joints? Foreigners or Thais?
I'm really curious because there doesn't seem to be any good business sense. Does management not have a clue on how to adapt and create demand in this current situation?
These businesses that mostly rely on just short-term holiday patrons are not going to last long for sure unless they find better ways to cater to the local (expats / long-term residents).
What I was quoted at Billboard: 3000 short-time / 700 bar-fine; Really? No changes?
Anyways, I echo the same as what some others are saying. It's still the same. There are still no discounts or bargains that I could find unless you feel like constantly playing the negotiating game.
Agree with you, I remember when I arrived in 2012, I was a newbie, but, still in ckub girls were asking 1500-2000 thb for LT. Means we went back to ky place around 3 am and she stayed until 12, so I had fucked usually 3 times plus had some massage and so on. Now I cannot expect this anymore in BKK are rarely.
I always have this feeling the punters have been showing way too much interest regarding the Thai girls which make them believing that they are superstar and that we should be lucky enough to have them with us. Am quite good looking, I never had any issue to find some pretty sexy GF anywhere I have been. I decide to go to see hookers bc I have a huge sex appetite and cannot spend all my evening and my money drinking in bar. Also now I have a GF for a while. She is blocked in another country due to closing borders, so going for a hooker is also paying to not have the mistress issue, I fuck, I pay, goodbye, no risk of any coming and making trouble. But the attitude of the girls has changed so much, they believe that who ever come to see them cannot find GF. I deeply disagree with that but punters who make them feels too much like princess, show them the opposite.
Back in the old times when decent girls were plentiful and most were asking for 1000 baht, I shared your opinion too, I would have rather not negotiated in order not to spoil the mood. Was easy to simply pass up the ones who were asking for too much (and feels good too).
These days, however, doable girls on Sukhumvit are exceedingly rare, and most would quote way too much money off the bat. A typical one-and-done session is just not worth more than 1000 baht for me. No option now except to negotiate, but I prefer to throw out my price first ("is 1000 ok? Good old anchoring technique, and let her figure it out. Being sweet helps, a few times I exchanged Line with the girl and was apologetic about only being able to offer 1000, but she can always send me a message if she changes her mind (or if I win the lottery, I pay her 10 k, 555). Many do tend to change their mind after 30 min of watching zero customers walk by.
Most of the Thai working girls over the last few years are not the brightest of bulbs and set in their ways. They're more likely to just instinctively continue whatever they were doing before Covid, rather than reassess the situation and adapt. Business logic would dictate that they would prefer long-time too (for a small extra fee, or even just for a tip and prospect of repeat business), as chances of getting more than one customer in an evening are almost nil. They tend not to do this.
Back in the old times when decent girls were plentiful and most were asking for 1000 baht, I shared your opinion too, I would have rather not negotiated in order not to spoil the mood. Was easy to simply pass up the ones who were asking for too much (and feels good too).
These days, however, doable girls on Sukhumvit are exceedingly rare, and most would quote way too much money off the bat. A typical one-and-done session is just not worth more than 1000 baht for me. No option now except to negotiate, but I prefer to throw out my price first ("is 1000 ok? Good old anchoring technique, and let her figure it out. Being sweet helps, a few times I exchanged Line with the girl and was apologetic about only being able to offer 1000, but she can always send me a message if she changes her mind (or if I win the lottery, I pay her 10 k, 555). Many do tend to change their mind after 30 min of watching zero customers walk by.
Most of the Thai working girls over the last few years are not the brightest of bulbs and set in their ways. They're more likely to just instinctively continue whatever they were doing before Covid, rather than reassess the situation and adapt. Business logic would dictate that they would prefer long-time too (for a small extra fee, or even just for a tip and prospect of repeat business), as chances of getting more than one customer in an evening are almost nil. They tend not to do this.Right, their logic defies reason. One would think that a LT opp in a nice apartment or hotel with decent a-see beats standing on the street all night with so few customers to be had. What are the chances they will find two clients when even one is hard to come by? It may take some time for the reality to set in, which is there is no high season coming unless the Thai government drastically changes their M. O. In addition, by their kicking out the remaining remnants of the ex pat visa overstays by September 26, there goes another source of tourist spending. Really remarkable how they are shooting themselves in the foot.
At some point and probably soon, there is going to be a vast sea change in pricing and, I suspect, attitude. I look forward to continued excellent on ground reporting.
Well luckily some open their eyes and are reasonable, and those one are the one I don't mind giving a nice tips if th session was nice. Just for the story, about 2 months ago o took this girl in soi 4 with some big natural boobs. Slightly on the chubby side, but great rack and ass was firm.
We went to a ST hotel in soi 4. Session was not so good except that she do what you say except anal. So I gave her a good facefuck and she give me a long rimming. Then 3 weeks ago I saw her again and that remind me how she licked me and got it deep in her throat. So I asked her again. While first time it was 1000 thb from her own proposition, the second time she asked for 2000 thb. I saw she didn't recognize me so I told her first that it was way too expensive which she drop to 1500, then I told her 1000 thb. She hesitated so I started to move away and she agree on 1000. Bring her to my home that time and told her that we already met before. She looked at me with desperate eyes like I talked to her about science. Anyway we did our things, was not as good as first time, so gave her 1000 thb and send her back. I saw her last night while driving around.
Right, their logic defies reason. One would think that a LT opp in a nice apartment or hotel with decent a-see beats standing on the street all night with so few customers to be had. What are the chances they will find two clients when even one is hard to come by? It may take some time for the reality to set in, which is there is no high season coming unless the Thai government drastically changes their M. O. In addition, by their kicking out the remaining remnants of the ex pat visa overstays by September 26, there goes another source of tourist spending. Really remarkable how they are shooting themselves in the foot.
At some point and probably soon, there is going to be a vast sea change in pricing and, I suspect, attitude. I look forward to continued excellent on ground reporting..
I got in contact with this girl named Chotie. 30 yo, English via message seems good, and so far her pictures also. Asked her if she was into threesome with girls playing together and she confirmed me that she is Bi and love to play with girls. So am looking to find a girl to join us that would be open for a real threesome and not just a kiss kiss and each one getting bang one by one. Does anyone met her before? I plan to meet her Sunday or Monday to spend a full afternoon of sex. Actually she accepted 2000 thb for whole afternoon with 3 shots, which is very reasonable especially if she is naughty as she told me.
I might have found a girl on Tinder OK to meet us (mentioned we are GF / BF) and I hope she is really playful like she said. If any feedback, please let me know.
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At some point and probably soon, there is going to be a vast sea change in pricing and, I suspect, attitude. I look forward to continued excellent on ground reporting.In my own little way, I am trying more to promote the attitude sea change during this time. I honestly don't think anything about getting a 500-1000 baht discount on most girls worth now or ever has much "sticking power." Even during normal times it is possible to get those kind of discounts on price if you are willing to time it right. Next day some dude still gave them twice that amount for doing nothing more than they did for you. And the reality is there is a lot less flexibility in what a girl can allow when it comes to discounts. It isn't as though her landlord, the taxi driver, phone service provider, food market owners, etc are going to charge her less during hard times. Not for very long, at least.
I am not surprised to experience and read reports about FLs on the street, in Thermae or in a go-go bar stubbornly refusing to budge very much on the going rate from normal times. In many ways, they just can't do that and still pay their bills. Especially if they might only get one customer per night or every 2-3 nights. Therefore, when a girl shows up on Sukhumvit Road, stands in Thermae or shows up at a go-go bar there is only so much she can cut from her going rate or she might as well pack it up and return to her province. Which I don't want her to do anyway.
However, there IS something in the P4P exchange that most girls working in Thailand can be much, much more flexible about than they have been in the recent past and that is a factor that, imo, is worth negotiating. Of course, that is the "for doing what in the room?" element of the negotiation. Which I feel is related very much to what I consider an improved attitude about their chosen method of making a living.
And, more often than not, once a girl who has never before expanded her horizons for what she is willing to do in the room discovers that her head did not explode after all, that she didn't die from farang jizz hitting the back of her throat and that being on a birth control regime and requesting to see the same kind of recent medical check document I can show her goes a long way to reducing to near zero most of the problems she would ever encounter while providing Real Sex/True GFE, she might very well keep those horizons broadened for the next customers by adding it to her list of available services. It might even be a matter of agreeing to a Long Time instead of a Short Time for the amount of money she must have to pay her bills this week. Where, wonder of wonders, she might discover she really can sleep pretty good next to certain customers after all. In other words, that element of the deal has more potential "sticking power" in terms of making a real change for the future vs just getting a discount today for what will surely go back to normal rates soon enough.
Danny Duck
07-30-20, 18:51
Right, their logic defies reason. One would think that a LT opp in a nice apartment or hotel with decent a-see beats standing on the street all night with so few customers to be had. What are the chances they will find two clients when even one is hard to come by? It may take some time for the reality to set in, which is there is no high season coming unless the Thai government drastically changes their M. O. In addition, by their kicking out the remaining remnants of the ex pat visa overstays by September 26, there goes another source of tourist spending. Really remarkable how they are shooting themselves in the foot.
At some point and probably soon, there is going to be a vast sea change in pricing and, I suspect, attitude. I look forward to continued excellent on ground reporting.All the Sea change will be for the Worst. LOL.
Um. The Koreans and Japs are not showing up in droves. All the girls have left are Cheap Charlie's.
No offense. You know what I mean.
I am don't fully agree, of course taxi, food market will not drop their price, but, landlord does, mine as personally drop of 20% my salary, electricity for most place is nearly free for last 3 months. Am not saying that is enough but what as mentioned before, what is better? No customers for 2-3 days? Or being reasonable asking less and having even just one per day? At the end that would bring roughly 24 kthb which is way more than the average salary, their room if alone (and many time they are not) is usually 3000/4000 thb and food as they only buy cooked food about 150 thb including their collagen drink from 7/11, means 4500 thb, so for about 8000 thb they have their roof and food. Electricity of course depend on the AC but now it cost nothing as government help on this, then phone is maybe 300 thb. So at the end taxi would be the big expense but now with grab a bike, from nana to On Nut that cost about 90 thb. So in 1 month I would say 10000 thb is the minimum they spend if no party and so on. So asking 1000 thb per guy would ensure more likely to make everyday money and pay enough for everything, but for sure they will not be able to save for the new Iphone that seems so important in their life. Just to finalize, those numbers I got them via a freelancer that I met quite often. After what I agree is they should be more open mind on what to do in bed, and for my case I always give a tip from 200 to 500 if she was great in bed. I don't say she has to say yes to everything to have the 500, if she doesn't want anal, fine, but the attitude and the way to say no will make the difference.
Franciscass
07-31-20, 12:26
I seem to one of the few regulars who is experiencing and enjoying a perceived change in the go go scene re lack of competition, reduced prices etc. I guess the difference can be explained by the old adage that all perception is relative.
When thinking about it the following cliches come to mind.
It all depends on how one looks at it.
Glass half full, glass half empty.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Different strokes for different folks.
Your mileage may vary (YMMV).
We see what we want to see.
On a different topic, the relationship between pricing and service and whether negotiating results in a change in attitude on the part of the girl I would say this has not been my experience. I"m not a cheap charlie but neither am I a chump. I know the going rates and don't overpay. Sometimes it's happened I like a girl and she quotes a silly price mostly out of habit because she sometimes gets a newbie to bite but when I smile and tell her "me not tourist" we quickly settle the deal. I will say that if out of shall I say out of necessity she has to accept a derisory fee then yes very possibly she will just go through the motions take her money and get out of there.
Franciscass
08-01-20, 01:31
I seem to one of the few regulars who is experiencing and enjoying a perceived change in the go go scene re lack of competition, reduced prices etc. I guess the difference can be explained by the old adage that all perception is relative.
When thinking about it the following cliches come to mind.
It all depends on how one looks at it.
Glass half full, glass half empty.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Different strokes for different folks.
Your mileage may vary (YMMV).
We see what we want to see.
On a different topic, the relationship between pricing and service and whether negotiating results in a change in attitude on the part of the girl I would say this has not been my experience. I"m not a cheap charlie but neither am I a chump. I know the going rates and don't overpay. Sometimes it's happened I like a girl and she quotes a silly price mostly out of habit because she sometimes gets a newbie to bite but when I smile and tell her "me not tourist" we quickly settle the deal. I will say that if out of shall I say out of necessity she has to accept a derisory fee then yes very possibly she will just go through the motions take her money and get out of there.Couldn't find the edit. Did I mean Perception? Yes I did.
Danny Duck
08-01-20, 05:44
Drop Big Mc Meal price a dollar guarantee sales go up.
Girl drop her price accordingly doesn't mean she will get more customers.
Catch my drift.
Many girls just not that Hot.
I seem to one of the few regulars who is experiencing and enjoying a perceived change in the go go scene re lack of competition, reduced prices etc. I guess the difference can be explained by the old adage that all perception is relative.
When thinking about it the following cliches come to mind.
It all depends on how one looks at it.
Glass half full, glass half empty.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Different strokes for different folks.
Your mileage may vary (YMMV).
We see what we want to see.
On a different topic, the relationship between pricing and service and whether negotiating results in a change in attitude on the part of the girl I would say this has not been my experience. I"m not a cheap charlie but neither am I a chump. I know the going rates and don't overpay. Sometimes it's happened I like a girl and she quotes a silly price mostly out of habit because she sometimes gets a newbie to bite but when I smile and tell her "me not tourist" we quickly settle the deal. I will say that if out of shall I say out of necessity she has to accept a derisory fee then yes very possibly she will just go through the motions take her money and get out of there.I would also say that things are overall better for me now than normal times. Not dramatically so, like the difference between night and day. But different enough to say whatever suggestions, methods and observations we applied and touted for this or that kind of result during normal times do not really apply now.
This is true, except the BigMac sales only go up with those who already have a taste for the beef and special sauce. By the same logic, if a customer already has an acquired taste for "not that hot" girls, then they too will get more of his business of they drop the price.
I like expensive tenderloin but enjoy the occasional down market Happy Meal. So far I think there is a slightly better chance to get prime beef at slightly less cost. I'm just enjoying the buffet.
Drop Big Mc Meal price a dollar guarantee sales go up.
Girl drop her price accordingly doesn't mean she will get more customers.
Catch my drift.
Many girls just not that Hot.
The Bangkok scene is exceptional now because there are so few punters, and zero prospect of more coming in anytime soon. That makes the remaining women more desperate to snag a customer, and perhaps even perform well in hope of a repeat. At least it holds for those who are not too spaced out to think.
About a week ago I had a freelancer near Soi 19 for 500 baht, at her suggestion. I'm a stingy bastard but even I wouldn't dare offer under 1000 on Sukhumvit in order not to be offensive (in Pattaya it's ok). She wasn't a hag, a cute and clean 35 year old with no tattoos or fake anything, albeit on the plump side. Repeated a few days later too. At that price, and with good service, it's a no-brainer.
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I think I finally agreed to take this same lady yesterday. If she is not the same lady you mentioned here, the lady I am talking about fits your description very well. I have seen her standing in that area day and night for months but have never seen her walking away with a customer. She has waved me over as I passed by and hit me up to take her a hundred times.
I think she is attractive enough to take for little effort and small money, no problem, but I have honestly been so busy and always had either just finished with another girl or was heading back to my apartment or a bar to meet another one, so I never even had a conversation with this Sukhumvit lady about taking her, just smiles and minimal Hello And How Are You kind of chat in passing.
But yesterday I knew I had a free day today so this time when she hit me up to take her as I walked by I finally stopped to chat a bit more and we exchanged Line info. She had asked me how much I would pay her. I said 1,000 for short time, 2,000 for long time and she seemed delighted by the prospect. I said we can confirm tomorrow by Line about what time to meet.
So this morning about 9am she phone called me on Line asking could we please meet for short time or long time today, either one up to me, she would even come over as early as 12 Noon for an overnight long time.
I was fine with the idea but, true to my form, it was time to get a couple of critical issues cleared up before we set a meeting time.
Absolutely "NO!" to boom boom no condom. Absolutely "NO!" to BBBJ+CIM (I would have agreed to meet her for short time for the latter). I had to explain to her that what she is referring to as a "blowjob" is not really a blowjob finish. It is a handjob with some oral foreplay thrown in. It is possibly just masturbation with some oral foreplay thrown in based on her description for the limit of what she would allow.
That was the end of our budding new possible multiple repeat relationship for 1,000 baht per 1-2 hours or 2,000 baht for staying the night.
I wished her well and good luck going forward.
Francesco24
08-04-20, 05:22
Does anybody have any info (mostly on girls asking prices and I guess barfines) about the new bar complex at the corner of Sukhumvit and soi 7? I seen it in a video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI4QzBCbzos&t=465s.
Danny Duck
08-04-20, 06:39
Major goings on at Nana Plaza.
Lots of shuffling among Bars.
No business so seems strange to commit now. Maybe owners giving space away.
I discovered a place on Soi Cowboy that has been mentioned before on the forum.
The place is called Penny Black. It's like right across Country Road bar at the beginning of the soi (Asok side). It seems to be the hotspot to go to for all the gogo dancers and freelancers after they finish their work in the bars. The place was packed with people around 2 am Saturday. The ratio was definitely more working ladies than the guys.
I found myself there after barfining one of the gogo girls on Soi Cowboy and I ended up partying there with her for some time.
I think this place is more for the partying crowd. The typical dance EDM / hip-hop music club vibe. If you're not into that type of scene, then you'll definitely not like this late-night club.
You could probably dance with a lady, negotiate pricing with the ladies, or I think it's even possible to get freebies there. I'll have to try to go there alone next time to see.
With the depressing quiet vibe that Soi Cowboy has nowadays, this was a change of scenery. A lot of people, lively, and everyone having a good time. Again, this was a Saturday. It could be less lively during weekdays.
Crocodilexp
08-04-20, 19:26
Absolutely "NO!" to boom boom no condom. Happy to hear that, good on her for not risking her long-term health. Next time I'll remember to give her a good tip so she doesn't have to.
Does anybody have any info (mostly on girls asking prices and I guess barfines) about the new bar complex at the corner of Sukhumvit and soi 7? I seen it in a video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI4QzBCbzos&t=465s.I pass through there fairly often to check out the scene and I have sat at 4 bars for a drink and to possibly take a girl. It can be quite lively for an hour or two some evenings.
So far I have only seen and met 3 girls I considered attractive enough to buy a drink for as prelude to possibly taking, each in different bars. And of those only one turned out to be genuinely available for barfine. For me, that is. Two were very cute, lobbied hard to get me to sit with them at their bar then clammed up and wondered away mentally and physically (to their cell phone, to the toilet, to another area of the complex, whatever) as soon as their drink hit the table. I never even bothered to ask about the barfine or discuss anything else about a session.
One, at the last bar directly on Soi 7 right before you get to Beer Garden, is still working there most evenings, still lobbying hard for me to sit, still hustling pointless Lady Drinks apparently. Another one just left the scene to get married. LOL. I see pics of her in a wedding gown on her Line Timeline.
A third one was very attentive and fun, the barfine was 500 baht I think and she delivered a very rewarding ST for 1,500 baht. Then she went kookoo emotionally and began pestering me multiple times every day to return to her bar to take her again. Way too nutty. When I pass by her bar now I try to limit it to a smile, wave and keep moving.
I am not one to make mental notes about exact costs unless they are a stand out in either direction. The barfine might have been 600 baht. I could not tell you exactly how much the LDs cost. But I know it was not so notably different on either count than normal. I mean, it wasn't 300 baht barfine and 90 baht for LDs vs 120 baht or anything like that.
Happy to hear that, good on her for not risking her long-term health. Next time I'll remember to give her a good tip so she doesn't have to.Well, she might not be the same lady. But if she is, any charitable contribution you can make would no doubt be greatly appreciated, which was my reasoning in finally deciding to chat with her a bit longer, exchange Line info and consider taking her at all. Every time I passed by she looked so forlorn and her painfully sad lament about "no customer" seemed heartfelt and genuine.
But why would you want to reward a self-portrayed "desperate for customers" Thai hooker with an extra tip for being silly or lazy enough to refuse delivering a simple CIM finish BJ for hundreds of baht more, probably 2 1/2 times more than nearby younger and cuter girls get for delivering it many times a day without long-term health problems?
Franciscass
08-05-20, 07:18
silly or lazy enough to refuse delivering a simple CIM Really ET, come on even you don't believe not wanting to do CIM is down to laziness and silliness.
Eric Swiss
08-05-20, 17:30
I went quite early at Billboard, around the 10 pm mark on a weekday. It is definitely a hot place! Many girls, few punters. I got my temperature checked twice, once at the entrance of Nana Plaza, and once at the entrance of Billboard, but it was all a joke. I had forgotten my face mask at home and nobody cared.
There seems to be an A-team and a be-team alternating. Unfortunately, when I arrived, the A-team was on the rotary, and it takes me a while to warm up mentally. But there was a cute girl on the be-team, and at lady-drink time I had good chemistry with her. Maybe 26 years old, 1 m62, not super skinny but definitely not anywhere near the fat zone. Pretty smile.
We went to the nice short-time hotel on the same floor as Billboard but on the other side of the you. Last year, when negotiating this balcony walk, I always used to get harassed by ladyboys, but thankfully this seems to be a thing of the past. There is a Japanese-themed gogo at the other corner with girls dressed in nurse uniforms (Ginza? And I'd definitely want to try that.
In the sack, Fern's performance was pretty good. Nothing to write home about, but since it was my first gogo in a long time, it was well worth the expenditure. You don't pay for the ejaculation per se, but more for the fun overall experience. Anyway, here's the breakdown:
60 Baht Moto-taxi to go.
160 Baht San Miguel Light.
170 Baht Lady Drink.
700 Baht Bar Fine.
350 Baht short-time Hotel.
50 Baht condom.
2500 Baht for Lady (She asked 3000, I countered 2000, we settled 2500, all in the space of 20 seconds).
200 Baht tip.
60 Baht moto-taxi to return.
I would recommend her as a safe option, but probably wouldn't repeat her due to my preference for change. If I had the time, I would definitely repeat Nana Plaza in general, with Billboard as a sure-fire backstop. Contrary to what some people have said, the prices are relatively reasonable compared to what they were in the past.
Really ET, come on even you don't believe not wanting to do CIM is down to laziness and silliness.Yes, I do. I've gotten too many BBBJ+CIMs from too many different types of girls through the years to think it is a big deal for them to figure it out and do it. Girls in BJ Bars knock them off in 10-15 minutes, pocket only 400-500 baht of the fee, tops, and suffer no long term health risks. Many go-go girls, non pro dating site and casual meet up girls do it better than the supposed experts in the BJ Bars.
This isn't about "wanting" to do it, btw.
A chubby 35 year old or whatever grown up adult woman, a Bangkok street hooker, who portrays herself as desperate for customers and money during the most dire economic stretch of her lifetime but refuses to agree to finish a blowjob like a blowjob and not a hand job (while dishonestly promoting it as a "blowjob finish") for 2 to 2 1/2 times the amount of money the experts in her area get for it (and almost half an average Thai week's wage during normal times working 10 hours a day 6 days a week) without bothering to do her own research on how safe and commonplace it is in her world is quite silly, exceedingly lazy or both.
I was pissed that she had wasted my time and good will waving back, chit-chatting with her as I passed by all those times, commiserating and sympathizing with her painfully sad and forlorn "no customers" laments, adding her to my Line, being awakened at 9am by her urgent call, talking and negotiating with her there and so on when I could have devoted those several precious minutes helping so many other girls who deserved it instead.
Some girls groove to the CIM and some don't. As I wrote in my Samui excursion last week, a deft Hoover of seed is always a keeper in my book, even if she slips away to spit me out later.
But the "pretend BBBJ" that involves more HJ than tonsil tickling is just downright lazy.
Yes, I do. I've gotten so many BBBJ+CIM from so many girls through the years to think it is a big deal for them to figure it out and do it. Girls in BJ Bars knock them off in 10-15 minutes, pocket only 400-500 baht of the fee, tops, and suffer no long term health risks. Many go-go girls do it better than the supposed experts in the BJ Bars.
A chubby 35+ year old woman who portrays herself as desperate for customers and money during the most dire economic stretch of her lifetime but refuses to agree to finish a blowjob like a blowjob and not a hand job (while dishonestly promoting it as a "blowjob finish") for 2 to 2 1/2 times the amount of money the "experts" in the area get for it without bothering to do her own research on how safe and commonplace it is in her world is quite silly, exceedingly lazy or both.
We're not talking about "wanting" to do it, btw.
Franciscass
08-06-20, 04:51
Yes, I do. I've gotten too many BBBJ+CIMs from too many different types of girls through the years to think it is a big deal for them to figure it out and do it. Girls in BJ Bars knock them off in 10-15 minutes, pocket only 400-500 baht of the fee, tops, and suffer no long term health risks. Many go-go girls, non pro dating site and casual meet up girls do it better than the supposed experts in the BJ Bars.
This isn't about "wanting" to do it, btw.
A chubby 35 year old or whatever grown up adult woman, a Bangkok street hooker, who portrays herself as desperate for customers and money during the most dire economic stretch of her lifetime but refuses to agree to finish a blowjob like a blowjob and not a hand job (while dishonestly promoting it as a "blowjob finish") for 2 to 2 1/2 times the amount of money the experts in her area get for it (and almost half an average Thai week's wage during normal times working 10 hours a day 6 days a week) without bothering to do her own research on how safe and commonplace it is in her world is quite silly, exceedingly lazy or both.
I was pissed that she had wasted my time and good will waving back, chit-chatting with her as I passed by all those times, commiserating and sympathizing with her painfully sad and forlorn "no customers" laments, adding her to my Line, being awakened at 9am by her urgent call, talking and negotiating with her there and so on when I could have devoted those several precious minutes helping so many other girls who deserved it instead.Not for the first time ET we will have to agree to disagree. Of course there are lots of girls who do CIM and lots who don't. For me the difference is not laziness or silliness it's down to the choice they make. I feel we need to respect the right of girls to choose which services they provide and not call them silly or lazy when they do. I'll meet you halfway though and agree there are lots of silly and lazy girls out there not because of the range of their services but because of indifferent attitudes, unhappy lives, and bad management at the shops they work at.
Member #4733
08-06-20, 18:57
I do appreciate your contributions very much. Especially as they are down-to-earth and you are one of the few that live in Bkk now and contributing to the site with stories about sessions. Bravo. But this one I did not understand.
sympathizing with her painfully sad and forlorn "no customers" lamentsIt's my experience that girls lamenting and complaining about no customers or customers faults simply are the worst performers.
I do appreciate your contributions very much. Especially as they are down-to-earth and you are one of the few that live in Bkk now and contributing to the site with stories about sessions. Bravo. But this one I did not understand.
It's my experience that girls lamenting and complaining about no customers or customers faults simply are the worst performers.You're right. At least two of my half dozen or so weekly repeats and regulars not only look great but they keep their pussies sweet and shaved at all times, fuck me bareback and suck better than many real porn stars, swallow with a smile, never make lame excuses, never complain about "no customers" because they know if there is 1 potential customer within sight of them they will convince him to take them at a fair rate IF they are interested in him taking them, seem to be quite happy in their work even during serious economic downturns, own their own car, are building homes in their province and are never short of wads of 1,000 baht notes in their purse.
Two others adamently refuse my offer to transfer 1,000 or so to them in weeks when I am just too busy with other girls to see them for the usual 2,000 LT I give them.
My sympathy for that silly, lazy, older lady on Sukhumit who I'm guessing does virtually none of those things other than the usual and typical bareback fucking for 1-2 of her reliable sponsors who themselves no doubt bareback fuck many other P4P girls before seeing her all the time, only extended as far as agreeing with her that things are tough all over as I passed by. And now only 1 time attempting to relieve her pain by offering to chartiably pay her 1,000 ST - 2,000 LT for providing no more than what those regular repeat girls mentioned above provide for me (less really, since I made no mention of swallowing and did not expect it of her) and for generally the same baht amounts I give them.
And that was despite the fact that I assumed, as you did, that she was probably bad at her chosen job. I guess you could say I was feeling exceptionally generous of spirit at the moment. Probably because I know how lucky I am to be living here.
Crocodilexp
08-07-20, 11:35
But why would you want to reward a self-portrayed "desperate for customers" Thai hooker with an extra tip for being silly or lazy enough to refuse delivering a simple CIM finish BJ for hundreds of baht more
You know full well we were talking about BBFS, not a BJ. Maybe it's fine if both people agree, but you (and your alternate account) are constantly talking about trying to get desperate girls who would normally refuse it to risk their long-term health for your moment of pleasure.
In my book, that's a despicable behavior and sullying the good name of all of us highly respected whoormongers.
Franciscass
08-07-20, 12:27
You know full well we were talking about BBFS, not a BJ. Maybe it's fine if both people agree, but you (and your alternate account) are constantly talking about trying to get desperate girls who would normally refuse it to risk their long-term health for your moment of pleasure.
In my book, that's a despicable behavior and sullying the good name of all of us highly respected whoormongers.I don't share ET's opinion of women generally nor his believing there is little or no health risk to unprotected sex but to be fair not sure I go along with depicting him as taking advantage of desperate women into having BBFS with him. Actually I have always felt assuming his regular testing for STD's, having had a vasectomy etc claims are true and no reason to doubt they are that it he himself who is risking his health rather than his companion.
You know full well we were talking about BBFS, not a BJ. Maybe it's fine if both people agree, but you (and your alternate account) are constantly talking about trying to get desperate girls who would normally refuse it to risk their long-term health for your moment of pleasure.
In my book, that's a despicable behavior and sullying the good name of all of us highly respected whoormongers.You know full well what I proposed was EITHER BBFS OR BBBJ-CIM and you decided to drop the BBBJ+CIM part out of your quite of me in order to make a point about rewarding her for something I did not corner into choosing.
Also, I have never had an alternate account here or on any other message board.
Member #4733
08-08-20, 09:40
(and your alternate account)I am not sure whether you deemed me to be an alternate account. Well, I am not. Even more so. I do not have paid sex without a condom. It might happen that the condom breaks. That happened a few times. After that I get tested. I don't agree with you about 'desperate girls accepting BBFS'. Actually this was offered to me in FKK land in December 2018. I declined. Lost a good sex partner by doing so. So, just the other way round from what you suppose. I do value your concern for the health of the girls. I do not agree with ET having BBFS but that is his choice and that of the girl. And I wonder whether the girls are really against it. In Thailand my condom broke on three occasions. On all three occasions the girl accepted this as 'a matter of fact' while I was worried a lot. Beyond that. Comparing FKK land and Thailand one must say that girls in FKK land have a lot more sessions and in Thailand girls only have one session a day or less. So, the risk of spreading diseases is much smaller. But I do value ET's stories and wouldn't like to do without them on this forum. And I really wonder whether you read the tone and intent of his stories well. Just read some of them again. Do you really think he is the kind of person that would exploit another account. Come on!
Yes, I do. I've gotten too many BBBJ+CIMs from too many different types of girls through the years to think it is a big deal for them to figure it out and do it. Girls in BJ Bars knock them off in 10-15 minutes, pocket only 400-500 baht of the fee, tops, and suffer no long term health risks. Many go-go girls, non pro dating site and casual meet up girls do it better than the supposed experts in the BJ Bars.
This isn't about "wanting" to do it, btw.
A chubby 35 year old or whatever grown up adult woman, a Bangkok street hooker, who portrays herself as desperate for customers and money during the most dire economic stretch of her lifetime but refuses to agree to finish a blowjob like a blowjob and not a hand job (while dishonestly promoting it as a "blowjob finish") for 2 to 2 1/2 times the amount of money the experts in her area get for it (and almost half an average Thai week's wage during normal times working 10 hours a day 6 days a week) without bothering to do her own research on how safe and commonplace it is in her world is quite silly, exceedingly lazy or both.
I was pissed that she had wasted my time and good will waving back, chit-chatting with her as I passed by all those times, commiserating and sympathizing with her painfully sad and forlorn "no customers" laments, adding her to my Line, being awakened at 9am by her urgent call, talking and negotiating with her there and so on when I could have devoted those several precious minutes helping so many other girls who deserved it instead.ET,
Let's call it what it is, you are not providing charity or helping. It's a business transaction that requires negotiation and agreement from both parties.
What you want in the transaction, she does not want to provide for the price given.
The tone of your posts irk me. You believe you are some high and mighty generous man who helps these women and provide them charity. In reality, you are an old man who no woman on earth under 40 would be willingly have anything to do with you. You should be more grateful and thank your lucky stars that there are poor women who are willing to let you touch them for a fee. I'm not even talking about BBFS or CIM, you should be on your knees praying to your god day and night that any woman let you do that.
Just giving you a reality check. Be more grateful and empathetic.
I just back from Cowboy, the street is not very active, still girls outside but nothing much happening. I went to Afterskool for few reason: I wanted to maybe have a BJ or at least HJ while being sit on the sofa or bar, and last time I went there (long time like over 2 years ago) I took a girl name Fa that was quite nice, but they had a girl with an amazingly round ass that I keep in mind since. So I step in, 3 other guy there, 1 at the end of the bar with 2 girls taking care of him, 1 at the*bar with a beauty, 1 near to the entrance with a girl drinking. I sit just after the door as 2 girls quite cute are there, then another one from outside come and stay front of us. I explained her*that I don't need to be with 3 girls, but she just look at me, smile and stay. Have a short talk with the 2 girls sit on each side of me, order my drink, then after a while of course one ask me if I can offer them a drink, pointing her friend on the other side of me and herself, but never the third one which I didn't talk with, told her that I don't need 3 girls, and so on. But then, this actual girl go to the bar and come back with 3 tequila. Got upset and ask why this, for which the answer was pissing me off "bc three lady with you". So I repeated that I mentioned I don't need 3 with me, and that one of them pointed the 2 on the sofa. The infamous "ooooh so sorry" came out and sound like "whatever you can say, we don't care". So I paid that bill and told them not being surprise to be empty. When I just pass the door those one start laughing about the situation, so I came back in and confront them on how it is not nice to act like this bc in this case who ever come and stay front of me when she asked for drinks could also be consider to have one without my approval. They were looking at me like an Alien coming from Crazyland. Going to leave and I see one of the mamasan outside, so I start to explain her, but she just didn't give a shit pointing me the "manager". I could have leave just like this, but I was annoyed by this shit attitude taking everything for granted, so I talked to the manager and explained him all in details. The guy looked at me and literally replied "I don't know who say right and correct,*I was not there". So I tried to explain him about how business work, that he cannot wonder why the bar is empty if his girls act like this bc of Covid making business hard and they don't have much customer everyday. But still he didn't give a shit, keep smiling and nothing else, even not telling me "sorry about that, I will speak with them bc this is not how it should happen", no he said nothing except repeating his shitty excuse. So I left and will never go back to that place, and don't recommend it at all! My point is not on being charge 140 thb, my point is I pay for what I consume and don't try to overcharge or take advantage of me. If this didn't happen, I would have stay longer and offer them more drinks, plus certainly consumed with one of the girls. At the end, they only got 510 thb from instead of the possible 2000. That for me represent very well about how Thai handle business, without common sense and thinking on the very short time. Oh and by the way for LD, 140 thb the tequila, 240th* tequilla coca. Wtf, 8 usd for a fuckin 3 CL of*cheap tequila and bit of coca, are they going to realize that they need to take action and reduce their pricing or just think that they loose money during months so charge it more to "get back in business".
MarquisdeSade1
08-08-20, 19:13
You know full well we were talking about BBFS, not a BJ. Maybe it's fine if both people agree, but you (and your alternate account) are constantly talking about trying to get desperate girls who would normally refuse it to risk their long-term health for your moment of pleasure.
In my book, that's a despicable behavior and sullying the good name of all of us highly respected whoormongers."People" like you are everything that is wrong with this hobby, why don't you take your feminist agenda somewhere else.
Anyone that pays to have sex with a condom is a joke, just do us all a favor stay home and watch some porn online.
Sex with a condom is not real sex it is more akin to POV or VR porn, stay home and the world we be a much better place.
I for one will greatly appreciate it.
MarquisdeSade1
08-08-20, 22:43
ET,
Let's call it what it is, you are not providing charity or helping. It's a business transaction that requires negotiation and agreement from both parties.
What you want in the transaction, she does not want to provide for the price given.
The tone of your posts irk me. You believe you are some high and mighty generous man who helps these women and provide them charity. In reality, you are an old man who no woman on earth under 40 would be willingly have anything to do with you. You should be more grateful and thank your lucky stars that there are poor women who are willing to let you touch them for a fee. I'm not even talking about BBFS or CIM, you should be on your knees praying to your god day and night that any woman let you do that.
Just giving you a reality check. Be more grateful and empathetic.I for one will say ET is a good looking guy, he could pass for his 40's easily, I have met his attractive 20 yo GF and have mongered with him, those that are jealous, are just bitter losers.
Like the line from the movie, "they hate us, because they ain't us" ET LOL.
He works out and jogs 7 days a week, I would post his foto if the admin would let me with his permission of course.
Just to shut up all you haters LOL.
I doubt there is a more successful monger in all of Asia and he is a white guy almost 70 yo and doesn't overpay them to touch his peepee with a fullbody condom on LOL.
Losers will be losers ET.
Keep up it up, you're doing Gods work.
I just back from Cowboy, the street is not very active, still girls outside but nothing much happening. I went to Afterskool for few reason: I wanted to maybe have a BJ or at least HJ while being sit on the sofa or bar, and last time I went there (long time like over 2 years ago) I took a girl name Fa that was quite nice, but they had a girl with an amazingly round ass that I keep in mind since. So I step in, 3 other guy there, 1 at the end of the bar with 2 girls taking care of him, 1 at the*bar with a beauty, 1 near to the entrance with a girl drinking. I sit just after the door as 2 girls quite cute are there, then another one from outside come and stay front of us. I explained her*that I don't need to be with 3 girls, but she just look at me, smile and stay. Have a short talk with the 2 girls sit on each side of me, order my drink, then after a while of course one ask me if I can offer them a drink, pointing her friend on the other side of me and herself, but never the third one which I didn't talk with, told her that I don't need 3 girls, and so on. But then, this actual girl go to the bar and come back with 3 tequila. Got upset and ask why this, for which the answer was pissing me off "bc three lady with you". So I repeated that I mentioned I don't need 3 with me, and that one of them pointed the 2 on the sofa. The infamous "ooooh so sorry" came out and sound like "whatever you can say, we don't care". So I paid that bill and told them not being surprise to be empty. When I just pass the door those one start laughing about the situation, so I came back in and confront them on how it is not nice to act like this bc in this case who ever come and stay front of me when she asked for drinks could also be consider to have one without my approval. They were looking at me like an Alien coming from Crazyland. Going to leave and I see one of the mamasan outside, so I start to explain her, but she just didn't give a shit pointing me the "manager". I could have leave just like this, but I was annoyed by this shit attitude taking everything for granted, so I talked to the manager and explained him all in details..Thank you for this review. I despise businesses that pressure and scam customers. They have lost at least another potential customer.
ET,
Let's call it what it is, you are not providing charity or helping. It's a business transaction that requires negotiation and agreement from both parties.
What you want in the transaction, she does not want to provide for the price given.
The tone of your posts irk me. You believe you are some high and mighty generous man who helps these women and provide them charity. In reality, you are an old man who no woman on earth under 40 would be willingly have anything to do with you. You should be more grateful and thank your lucky stars that there are poor women who are willing to let you touch them for a fee. I'm not even talking about BBFS or CIM, you should be on your knees praying to your god day and night that any woman let you do that.
Just giving you a reality check. Be more grateful and empathetic.On the issue of BBFS and in keeping with Crocodilexp's comment about "maybe it's fine if both people agree", how about if that is done in the course of the classic "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" approach as it is typically depicted, reported and even recommended to me here and elsewhere? For instance, you meet a girl in a bar, she sits with you for an extended period of time, the chemistry seems great, lot's of physical contact and cuddling, there is no mention of condoms in the bar or later in the room, at most she politely places a condom on the table but nobody reaches for it as things progress, nature just takes its course, she more or less passionately goes with it and with you in bed and BBFS happens.
Serious question for you, Crocodilexp, Franciscass and any others who would like to chime in: Is that an ok way to go about it in your mind, your preferred or perhaps the only times you have engaged in BBFS with the ladies you take?
I just back from Cowboy, the street is not very active, still girls outside but nothing much happening. I went to Afterskool for few reason: I wanted to maybe have a BJ or at least HJ while being sit on the sofa or bar, and last time I went there (long time like over 2 years ago) I took a girl name Fa that was quite nice, but they had a girl with an amazingly round ass that I keep in mind since. So I step in, 3 other guy there, 1 at the end of the bar with 2 girls taking care of him, 1 at the*bar with a beauty, 1 near to the entrance with a girl drinking. I sit just after the door as 2 girls quite cute are there, then another one from outside come and stay front of us. I explained her*that I don't need to be with 3 girls, but she just look at me, smile and stay.
...Afterskool has been doing that gang up Lady Drink scam as far back as I can remember. Other bars allow or promote it, too. But it seems to be Afterskool's primary business model. Sorry you had that happen to you. It happened to me, too, the rare times I have gone in there. And thanks for taking a stand and making the effort to complain about it to the management and explain how they've lost a customer because of it. It probably won't change anything with them. But, as they say, it is better to light one candle than live in total darkness.
I for one will say ET is a good looking guy, he could pass for his 40's easily, I have met his attractive 20 yo GF and have mongered with him, those that are jealous, are just bitter losers.
Like the line from the movie, "they hate us, because they ain't us" ET LOL.
He works out and jogs 7 days a week, I would post his foto if the admin would let me with his permission of course.
Just to shut up all you haters LOL.
I doubt there is a more successful monger in all of Asia and he is a white guy almost 70 yo and doesn't overpay them to touch his peepee with a fullbody condom on LOL.
Losers will be losers ET.
Keep up it up, you're doing Gods work.LOL. Thanks much for the comments. Really. But I should point out that my mention of BBFS in these threads is never meant to promote or recommend BBFS to anyone else ("God's work"?). No more than a mention of Anal+, DFK, Threesomes, LT vs ST, GFE, PSE, COF, Rimming, breast implants, or whatever else floats a punter's boat mentioned here is promoting and recommending those things. It is simply one of the two options I generally require in order to justify paying a girl for sex (the other being BBBJ+CIM). Same as some of those other things are required by other punters. And I get enough comments and PMs from folks here and tons of agreement about it among the expats and visitors I meet in Thailand all the time to know I am not alone in that by a long shot. Consequently, it pretty much needs to be included in many reports or comments I make in order to put the proper context into what happened or didn't happen when I have or choose not to have a P4P session.
That being the case, my experiences and results would not be the same nor should anyone be misled into thinking they ought to be the same as someone who, for example, is fine with accepting the basic standard "lick around the edges, if that, slip on a condom and proceed" offering in the Thai P4P scene with nothing more asked for or required in order for the girl to accept ME as her customer instead of all the other customers she could be choosing instead. Which is always her option even during these extraordinary times. And that's because I make sure my offer is made under conditions and when she does have plenty of time and opportunity to choose another customer if she wants.
Lucky Nuts
08-09-20, 04:52
sullying the good name of all of us highly respected whoormongers.LOL.
Funny how guys convince themselves fucking girls 40 to 50 years younger is all fine and good and everybody is happy but how dare you entice a girl to do something she doesn't really want to do. Shame on you ET.
LOL!
p.s. Not aimed at Croc but at the discussion in general
LOL.
Funny how guys convince themselves fucking girls 40 to 50 years younger is all fine and good and everybody is happy but how dare you entice a girl to do something she doesn't really want to do. Shame on you ET.
LOL!LOL. In all fairness, I assumed Crocodilexp was just sprinkling a little humor into what was otherwise a harsh reply to me with that part of it. At least, I appreciated it on that assumption.
ET,
Let's call it what it is, you are not providing charity or helping. It's a business transaction that requires negotiation and agreement from both parties.
...in talking about BBFS or CIM, you should be on your knees praying to your god day and night that any woman let you do that.
Just giving you a reality check. Be more grateful and empathetic.I don't see it that way, at all. It is a business transaction as you said. ET was negotiating for the service he wants, BBFS / CIP, or BJ with CIM. The WG can always say no to ET, and look for another customer who is not too demanding.
And why should he be on his knees praying? What's the purpose of a women in this world? To satisfy the needs of men, among other things, as opposed to holding him hostage, I. E. Giving him sex only if he agrees to her arbitrary demands.
Franciscass
08-09-20, 07:36
What's the purpose of a women in this world? To satisfy the needs of men, among other things, as opposed to holding him hostage, I. E. Giving him sex only if he agrees to her arbitrary demands.Wow misogyny is alive and well.
CIM or BBFS are arbitrary demands, really. I get the demand bit although I would classify it as a requirement but arbitrary no. It is not a random whim when a girl decides she does not want to engage in practices that could endanger her health. It is her right to do so and she is being more than smart even knowing it costs her money.
I do agree ET is an unusually healthy active monger with an appetite that I am more than envious of. He doesn't hide what he wants, takes all criticism in his stride and while I radically disagree with him on a number of issues he argues his perspective with restraint and civility.
.........Anyone that pays to have sex with a condom is a joke, just do us all a favor stay home and watch some porn online.
Sex with a condom is not real sex it is more akin to POV or VR porn, stay home and the world we be a much better place.
I for one will greatly appreciate it.Fortunately for me I use the Trojan Magnum Bareskin which feels almost like going bare back and there are even thinner condoms available. I am not foolish enough to believe that posters who get STDs would report that fact on this forum, 8 years of reading ISG has shown that they would not. The peace of mind of using a condom is priceless and makes the experience all round much more enjoyable for me.
HorseTrader
08-09-20, 18:45
Fortunately for me I use the Trojan Magnum Bareskin which feels almost like going bare back ... I use the exact same condoms, but wouldn't describe them feeling "almost like going bare back. " Even with a good load of silicone lube on the inside, there is a lot lost for me. I can pop once per day using the condom, but it doesn't work for me a second time on the same day.
One problem I've had is many Thai girls insist the lube cannot go on the inside. With limited communication ability it is sometimes impossible to get the message to her that I may never finish without it. That is one advantage of Doki Doki, the lube is everywhere before the condom goes on.
MarquisdeSade1
08-09-20, 18:46
Fortunately for me I use the Trojan Magnum Bareskin which feels almost like going bare back and there are even thinner condoms available. I am not foolish enough to believe that posters who get STDs would report that fact on this forum, 8 years of reading ISG has shown that they would not. The peace of mind of using a condom is priceless and makes the experience all round much more enjoyable for me.Do you ever kiss hookers, or DATY, or BBBJ.
You can get STDS that way I hope you know.
I've never used a condom in BKK and never picked up a STD there either.
But I did get an STD in Tijuana.
I have sex to exchange fluids, that's the best part, I don't care how thin the condom is.
If I'm cumming into a plastic bag, I would rather stay home and jack off to porn.
Or even worse get a GF and not use a condom, hookers using condoms is a feminist plot to degrade the.
Pleasure men get from sex, and therefore destroy the demand.
Look at these feminist NGOs around the world.
They all promote condoms, step #1 to destroy mongering.
I need to fill their pussies throats and anus with my homemade German hot sauce.
Anything else is an affront to nature.
I'm not flying to Asia to cum into a plastic bag, no thanks not even for free.
I can get more satisfaction from my hand.
Danny Duck
08-09-20, 19:48
Regards to charity.
I sent $5,000 to my Kalasin GF I met at Baccarat to buy a Grade A Buffalo.
When I asked for a photograph she said he ran away before they could iPhone photo him.
Now she wants another $5,000. She said she won't make the same mistake twice. LOL.
Do you ever kiss hookers, or DATY, or BBBJ.
You can get STDS that way I hope you know.
I've never used a condom in BKK and never picked up a STD there either.
But I did get an STD in Tijuana.
I have sex to exchange fluids, that's the best part, I don't care how thin the condom is.
If I'm cumming into a plastic bag, I would rather stay home and jack off to porn.
Or even worse get a GF and not use a condom, hookers using condoms is a feminist plot to degrade the.
Pleasure men get from sex, and therefore destroy the demand.
Look at these feminist NGOs around the world.
They all promote condoms, step #1 to destroy mongering.
I need to fill their pussies throats and anus with my homemade German hot sauce.
Anything else is an affront to nature.
I'm not flying to Asia to cum into a plastic bag, no thanks not even for free.
I can get more satisfaction from my hand.I just read this: "A Chinese company has created the world's thinnest latex condom, snagging the Guinness World Record for the barely-there rubber. The so-called Aoni condom measures just 0. 0014 inches (0. 036 millimeters) thick, beating the previous record-holder, Okamoto of Japan.". I think I will give this a try and would recommend it to you. If you are not interested, well, continue using your hand.
Regards to charity.
I sent $5,000 to my Kalasin GF I met at Baccarat to buy a Grade A Buffalo.
When I asked for a photograph she said he ran away before they could iPhone photo him.
Now she wants another $5,000. She said she won't make the same mistake twice. LOL.$5,000 usd? If so I'd split that up but pretty sure you're talking baht.
I use the exact same condoms, but wouldn't describe them feeling "almost like going bare back. " Even with a good load of silicone lube on the inside, there is a lot lost for me. I can pop once per day using the condom, but it doesn't work for me a second time on the same day.
One problem I've had is many Thai girls insist the lube cannot go on the inside. With limited communication ability it is sometimes impossible to get the message to her that I may never finish without it. That is one advantage of Doki Doki, the lube is everywhere before the condom goes on.I've never had a gal complain about my putting lube inside s condom. Sometime they ask why and I reply in Thai, because it keeps the condom from breaking. Never had an issues after telling them that.
Fortunately for me I use the Trojan Magnum Bareskin which feels almost like going bare back and there are even thinner condoms available. I am not foolish enough to believe that posters who get STDs would report that fact on this forum, 8 years of reading ISG has shown that they would not. The peace of mind of using a condom is priceless and makes the experience all round much more enjoyable for me.I wish those were available here in LOS.
Regards to charity.
I sent $5,000 to my Kalasin GF I met at Baccarat to buy a Grade A Buffalo.
When I asked for a photograph she said he ran away before they could iPhone photo him.
Now she wants another $5,000. She said she won't make the same mistake twice. LOL.I understand her frustration. Things like that happen to me 5-6 times a day.
Another problem is this "long term health issues" topic I have been reading about for years. No doubt there are rare exceptions, but I'm not sure I have ever met a P4P girl who has long term health issues caused by having sex, bareback or otherwise, with me or someone else. Many of the hundreds of girls I have had sex with in Thailand still have my Line contact and could easily follow up to tell me about any long term health issues they have lived with or encountered years later after having had sex with me or someone else. But they don't. And it certainly wouldn't be like them to keep news of their ailments to themselves.
However, it turns out having sex with me, especially if it is more than once, most definitely often DOES cause "long term health issues." But not with the girl who fucked and sucked me. Only with her mom, dad, grandma, grandpa, brothers, sisters, kids, nieces, nephews, uncles, aunts, cousins, etc. It is amazing how quickly and often the relatives of the girls I fuck or who suck me come down with some "long term health issues" that puts them in the hospital with nothing but a working cellphone to take photos of themselves in their hospital bed and no way to pay for their newly acquired ailment.
With the girls I fuck and get sucked by, it seems the only ailments they ever come up with are those that look a lot like public domain pics of some unidentified person with a bandage on their arm or leg for something no one can really explain. And then it gets better with no scarring or evidence that it ever happened hours after I send them money to take care of it.
Regards to charity.
I sent $5,000 to my Kalasin GF I met at Baccarat to buy a Grade A Buffalo.
When I asked for a photograph she said he ran away before they could iPhone photo him.
Now she wants another $5,000. She said she won't make the same mistake twice. LOL.Hopefully you won't make the same mistake twice either.
Franciscass
08-10-20, 06:03
Many of the hundreds of girls I have had sex with in Thailand still have my Line contact and could easily follow up to tell me about any long term health issues they have lived with or encountered years later after having had sex with me or someone else. But they don't. And it certainly wouldn't be like them to keep news of their ailments to themselves.It is only a single case but for a fact a cousin of mine contracted chlamydia while on holiday here.
A simple google search on Thailand and STD'S reveals the following sample the reality of unprotected sex and please spare me it's all fake news argument.
Thailand has one of the highest rates of HIV in Asia (estimated in 2016 at 450,000 out of a population of 70 million), with 1.1% adult HIV prevalence- this highest in the AEC region. HIV mostly affects sex workers, men who have sex with men, transgender people, and people who inject drugs.
Thailand, HIV prevalence is higher among male sex workers than female. In 2018, of the estimated 145,000 sex workers in the country, HIV prevalence was approximately 4% among male sex workers and 1.7% among female sex workers. However, urban settings have shown to yield exceptionally high HIV prevalence among female sex workers, as high as 20% in Bangkok.
In 2018, 6, 400 people in Thailand became infected with HIV. Roughly two-thirds were men (4,400 infections among adult men, compared to 1,900 infections among adult women.
In 2018, it was estimated that around 40% of new infections occurred among men who have sex with men and transgender women, 10% among sex workers and their clients, and 11% among people who inject drugs. Around 29% of new infections are estimated to occur from spousal transmission, 21% of these from husbands to wives.
The fear that syphilis is said to have made a comeback is apparently not just public paranoia. Infectious medicine specialist Dr Thanason Thummakul acknowledged that the occurrence is indeed on the rise. Based on Bangrak STIs Centre's figures, syphilis cases have reportedly increased significantly during the past four years. Per 100,000 population, only around 2-3 infected cases were reported in 2009. Fast-forward to 2018, Thailand saw almost 12 syphilis patients per 100,000 population.
"A sharp rise is mainly a result of unprotected sex," said Dr Thanason. "Although syphilis can be found in people of all ages, now a very large number of the cases are diagnosed among teens and men who have sex with men."
I am not foolish enough to believe that posters who get STDs would report that fact on this forum, 8 years of reading ISG has shown that they would not. The peace of mind of using a condom is priceless and makes the experience all round much more enjoyable for me.Forum members catching an std has been discussed on the forum, but these were mostly stories of STD caught after BBBJ.
The forum being anonymous, I don't see a reason for a member to not talk about it if the discussion pops up.
I occasionally did some girls bareback and never caught an STD that I was aware of, except one time after receiving a BBBJ from a girl that I was already meeting for the last 2 weeks prior the infection.
HorseTrader
08-10-20, 16:10
I've never had a gal complain about my putting lube inside s condom. Sometime they ask why and I reply in Thai, because it keeps the condom from breaking. Never had an issues after telling them that.You speaking Thai is an advantage over me. If she has good English skills, I explain that I need lube inside the condom for the way it feels to me. That doesn't work with girls with limited English.
It is only a single case but for a fact a cousin of mine contracted chlamydia while on holiday here.
...Not to dismiss your cousin's plight, but is that the closest to a "long term health issue" anecdote due to P4P sex with which you are personally familiar? Not sure if that has much to do with being a sex worker or the customer for one. Isn't chlamydia pretty much all over the place, transmittable through oral sex and even if you wear a condom? And I think it is curable, not destined to be a long term health issue after you get treated for it.
In a related matter, I stopped in at a newly named go-go bar called "Random" on the second level of Nana Plaza. As I recall, it used to be Rainbow 3 Bar. The fat mamasan that nobody liked when she worked at Crazy House is the mamasan there.
A rather rough looking but kind of cute little blondish go-go girl was lobbying very hard for my attention as soon as I walked in. Little wonder since I was the only customer in the place at around 10pm as was the case with a couple of other go-go bars I stopped in tonight. Monday night. The venue was like a ghost town. Maybe 20 customers in the whole Plaza with several go-go bars open, each with stages full of girls. No more than two customers in any bar except maybe Billboard and Butterflies.
I thought she was kind of cute so I called her over for a Lady Drink, wound up buying her two because she kept rubbing her heavily tattooed little body (butt) all over my lap and chest and was really into DFK me every time she turned to face me. It finally started to work for me even though her overly tattooed, demonstrably "slutty" look and demeanor is not really my thing.
Anyway, after my girl's second Lady Drink was brought to our little table the annoying mamasan came over to propose a barfine deal between the girl and me. I politely waved her off but not before she annoyingly interjected with "1,000 baht barfine, 3,000 for the girl if Short Time, 5,000 if Long Time." uh-huh. A few minutes more of butt rubbing and DFK from the girl, then I privately offered to pay the barfine and give her 3,000 baht for LT, boom boom no condom. Her answer was, "No, cannot. Must use condom because Covid."
I wasn't sure I heard her right so I asked her to repeat it, "Because of Covid?"
"Yes", she said, "I afraid of Covid. Must use condom."
Well, folks, here we go.
I thanked her for her time, paid my bill and left.
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Thailand, HIV prevalence is higher among male sex workers than female. In 2018, of the estimated 145,000 sex workers in the country, HIV prevalence was approximately 4% among male sex workers and 1.7% among female sex workers. However, urban settings have shown to yield exceptionally high HIV prevalence among female sex workers, as high as 20% in Bangkok.
...Whenever I see that alarming "20%" figure for the percentage of female sex workers in Bangkok who tested positive for HIV, I have to at least mention that, as I read about this "survey" in more detail, it seemed to me it was definitely NOT from a random sampling of go-go dancers, freelancers, massage shop girls, BJ Bar girls, etc as one might erroneously conclude. It was decidedly NOT that kind of survey and was instead the kind of survey that is routinely dismissed among serious research and polling services. As I recall, some HIV-positive patients in a clinic were paid and given free treatment if they then recruited other potentially HIV-positive subjects to enter the study who would in turn also be paid money for their participation and given free treatment.
As one might expect, the deputized "recruiters" did not walk around randomly tapping on the shoulders of hookers in the Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy bars, on the street and in the massage shops to come in to be tested. No, they went to the people they already knew in their circle, perhaps not even hookers at all but just junkies willing to say they were hookers (perhaps, being junkies, they did trade sex for money somewhere at some point) and, therefore, the "researchers" for the study were force fed a deck of players highly stacked in favor of being HIV-positive in ways that have nothing to do with meeting any one of us in a bar or massage shop we have ever entered.
MarquisdeSade1
08-11-20, 02:00
I just read this: "A Chinese company has created the world's thinnest latex condom, snagging the Guinness World Record for the barely-there rubber. The so-called Aoni condom measures just 0. 0014 inches (0. 036 millimeters) thick, beating the previous record-holder, Okamoto of Japan.". I think I will give this a try and would recommend it to you. If you are not interested, well, continue using your hand.But? If I did I most certainly wouldn't buy them from China, I don't want anything that was "made" there.
If you would buy condoms made there, would you buy cancer meds?
Franciscass
08-11-20, 10:05
Whenever I see that alarming "20%" figure for the percentage of female sex workers in Bangkok who tested positive for HIV, I have to at least mention that, as I read about this "survey" in more detail, it seemed to me it was definitely NOT from a random sampling of go-go dancers, freelancers, massage shop girls, BJ Bar girls, etc as one might erroneously conclude. It was decidedly NOT that kind of survey and was instead the kind of survey that is routinely dismissed among serious research and polling services. As I recall, some HIV-positive patients in a clinic were paid and given free treatment if they then recruited other potentially HIV-positive subjects to enter the study who would in turn also be paid money for their participation and given free treatment.
As one might expect, the deputized "recruiters" did not walk around randomly tapping on the shoulders of hookers in the Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy bars, on the street and in the massage shops to come in to be tested. No, they went to the people they already knew in their circle, perhaps not even hookers at all but just junkies willing to say they were hookers (perhaps, being junkies, they did trade sex for money somewhere at some point) and, therefore, the "researchers" for the study were force fed a deck of players highly stacked in favor of being HIV-positive in ways that have nothing to do with meeting any one of us in a bar or massage shop we have ever entered.Not surprising ET you cherry pick from what were a number of articles on the realty of STD's in Thailand.
You selected a particular stat of 20% infection in Bangkok and debunked it by a less than convincing questioning of the sampling used. Maybe you are partly correct, who knows, anyway that was just one stat out of many.
What I would simply suggest if anybody wants to what find what the facts are, what the science says, take 30 minutes or so and google "Thailand and STD'S" . Yes the internet is full of bullshit and both sides of any argument from climate change deniers to Elvis is alive believers will find sites that support them. But if one puts aside personal prejudices looks at the data, looks at the source of that data, double checks that source for validity, I believe no reasonable person can come away with a mindset that unprotected sex in Thailand is just fine.
That said I'm not moralizing. If somebody wants BBFS, that's their prerogative and good luck to them when they find ladies willing to oblige.
What I find just plain wrong is saying its ok to entice women who initially object to doing it by offering them extra money. Sure, yes they can say no, nobody has a gun to their head but they say no in the beginning for a reason, because they believe it can be dangerous to their health. So why would you want to take that away from them.
Move on leave them alone, there are lots of other girls who will give you what you need. Infinitely more objectionable, in fact despicable are those who feel its ok to remove the condom during sex without her consent.
From the CDC.
Chlamydia is a common sexually transmitted disease (STD) caused by infection with Chlamydia trachomatis. It can cause cervicitis in women and urethritis and proctitis in both men and women. Chlamydial infections in women can lead to serious consequences including pelvic inflammatory disease (PID), tubal factor infertility, ectopic pregnancy, and chronic pelvic pain.
Easily curable with antibiotics but hardly harmless.
LittleBigMan
08-11-20, 12:50
But? If I did I most certainly wouldn't buy them from China, I don't want anything that was "made" there.
If you would buy condoms made there, would you buy cancer meds?I understand your sentiment about China " made in China " certainly when it comes to Condom not sure what the big deal about them but to each his own. I was raised on Trojans and that is what I used never had one break on me I go to Costco get me the largest box with Lube my rate I still have plenty left even after expiration date I'm no Mr. E or M. P.
If you dig and it isn't hard then you better start with your Cell Phone majority of the parts which run the phone the metal is all from China to make those so call chips. Until a few years back American Hospital was ordering unknowingly from China cancer medicine until they discover many were fake couldn't tell them from the real stuff. Then let's not forget all the dog food or the painted lead on all the toys being sold at Toy are Us, or all the sheetrock sold throughout the USA The list goes on and on just ask Ikea or Walmart?
Years ago China knew this day was coming so many of their factories have been moved out of China since the so-called cheap labor they have is no longer cheap so they have also moved many of the factories to other countries for even cheaper labor. Even before the trade war China, for example, contracted with a number of Thai companies to ship products to Thailand repackage as made in Thailand then ship to the USA It is only recently America is finding this out.
It is taken 30 plus years for China to do what it has been doing it will take just as long to turn it around but meantime check you boxers see where those Fruit of Looms are made?
Not surprising ET you cherry pick from what were a number of articles on the realty of STD's in Thailand.
You selected a particular stat of 20% infection in Bangkok and debunked it by a less than convincing questioning of the sampling used. Maybe you are partly correct, who knows, anyway that was just one stat out of many.
What I would simply suggest if anybody wants to what find what the facts are, what the science says, take 30 minutes or so and google "Thailand and STD'S" . Yes the internet is full of bullshit and both sides of any argument from climate change deniers to Elvis is alive believers will find sites that support them. But if one puts aside personal prejudices looks at the data, looks at the source of that data, double checks that source for validity, I believe no reasonable person can come away with a mindset that unprotected sex in Thailand is just fine.
That said I'm not moralizing. If somebody wants BBFS, that's their prerogative and good luck to them when they find ladies willing to oblige.
What I find just plain wrong is saying its ok to entice women who initially object to doing it by offering them extra money. Sure, yes they can say no, nobody has a gun to their head but they say no in the beginning for a reason, because they believe it can be dangerous to their health. So why would you want to take that away from them.
Move on leave them alone, there are lots of other girls who will give you what you need. Infinitely more objectionable, in fact despicable are those who feel its ok to remove the condom during sex without her consent.
From the CDC.
Chlamydia is a common sexually transmitted disease (STD) caused by infection with Chlamydia trachomatis. It can cause cervicitis in women and urethritis and proctitis in both men and women. Chlamydial infections in women can lead to serious consequences including pelvic inflammatory disease (PID), tubal factor infertility, ectopic pregnancy, and chronic pelvic pain.
Easily curable with antibiotics but hardly harmless.I picked that stat because it is a ridiculouly unbelievable percentage if anyone is misled into thinking they must be talking about "20%" of the Nana, Soi Cowboy, Patpong and lower Sukhumvit female P4P workers, go-go girls, beer bar girls, massage shop girls, freelancers, etc turning up HIV-Positive in a recent random sampling survey. Outrageous. And irresponsible of you to just put it out there as apparent fact and then to further dismiss someone who justifiably questions it.
As far as we know, what you quoted (supposedly from 2018) was still working on that decidedly NOT random sampling survey taken from 2007:
Unexpectedly high HIV prevalence among female sex workers in Bangkok, Thailand in a respondent-driven sampling survey.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4935540/
But? If I did I most certainly wouldn't buy them from China, I don't want anything that was "made" there.
would you buy cancer meds?Like 70 to 80% of the active principles used in medecine from western countries are produced in China & India.
China sells all kinds of quality goods. If you're going to negociate the price to the lowest and don't spend a dollar on quality controle don't expect your product to be of quality, that's for sure.
So wether you like it or know it, yes its likely your medecine have a link with China.
Franciscass
08-11-20, 16:15
I picked that stat because it is a ridiculouly unbelievable percentage if anyone is misled into thinking they must be talking about "20%" of the Nana, Soi Cowboy, Patpong and lower Sukhumvit female P4P workers, go-go girls, beer bar girls, massage shop girls, freelancers, etc turning up HIV-Positive in a recent random sampling survey. Outrageous. And irresponsible of you to just put it out there as apparent fact and then to further dismiss someone who justifiably questions it.
As far as we know, what you quoted (supposedly from 2018) was still working on that decidedly NOT random sampling survey taken from 2007:
Unexpectedly high HIV prevalence among female sex workers in Bangkok, Thailand in a respondent-driven sampling survey.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4935540/ET no need to get so upset. My apologizes if I inadvertently did so.
One possibly unreliable stat does not mean all the reports on the subject are flawed.
As I suggested, anybody who is interested should read up on STD'S and Thailand and make up their own mind.
For me the balance of the research indicates there is risk associated with unprotected sex in Thailand.
Whatever that risk is can be argued and working girls and their customers can make choices as they see fit.
However it is grossly irresponsible to keep suggesting it doesn't exist and that working girls should provide BBFS as a matter of course.
More irresponsible still that its OK to use what is essentially bribery to get them to overlook those risks when they first refuse to do so and finally totally reprehensible to denigrate them when they don't change their mind because they should know their only use on this earth is to serve the whims of men.
Member #4698
08-11-20, 20:09
Franciscass-.
Quote: For me the balance of the research indicates there is risk associated with unprotected sex in Thailand.
Whatever that risk is can be argued and working girls and their customers can make choices as they see fit.
However it is grossly irresponsible to keep suggesting it doesn't exist and that working girls should provide BBFS as a matter of course.
More irresponsible still that its OK to use what is essentially bribery to get them to overlook those risks when they first refuse to do so and finally totally reprehensible to denigrate them when they don't change their mind because they should know their only use on this earth is to serve the whims of men: quote.
Franciscass,
1. For some reason your posts are completely invisible to me whenever I am logged into the ISG. This vanishing act is unlike a forum ignore in that all indications that you have even posted are gone. I have no idea how this came about. I wish I could use this total white out on a few troll posters that I find really offensive, but not you. Ha Ha.
2. On risks associated with barebacking: I assume there is a degree of enhanced risk over condom sex, enough to make me pay closer attention to whomever I might want to bareback than normal, but not enough to choose never to bareback. Thus, it becomes a personal risk / reward situation where every god damn punter weighs the benefits against the perceived risks and comes out with his own unique resolution of the situation.
3. Risk averse guys will condom up. Highly risk averse guys will refrain from random sex with prostitutes or even with any girl outside of mutually exclusive relationships, but even those run some degree of risk due to the fact that the virtuous wife may decide to fuck the gym instructor some afternoon and there you go. 555.
4. I think it crosses the line of none of your business, however, when you or others bring some arbitrary moral code into the discussion: "More irresponsible still that it's OK to use what is essentially bribery to get them to overlook those risks when they first refuse to do so and finally totally reprehensible to denigrate them when they don't change their mind because they should know their only use on this earth is to serve the whims of men" This line of thinking is straight out of the wok Marxist feminist ideological handbook. According to the woks all p4p is a form of slavery, male domination, and thus rape. Yep, that's where the ideology takes us. It is a very slippery slope, but it leads straight to sex re-education camps and chemical castration.
5. So, let's not go there. 555. We all like to shag Asian girls or we wouldn't find ourselves in Asia going after poon and posting on the ISG. I, for one, think I am helping the girls and doing them a big favor with my attentions. I also think that they in turn are reciprocating the favor by lending me some of their honey for short periods of time. As long as everyone is of legal age and rational mind then everything is on the up & up between two consenting adults and is nobody else's business especially that the authorities or sex police. So shag your girls the way you want to shag them and I will shag my girls the way I want and we will both be fine. Just don't hurt nobody!
MarquisdeSade1
08-11-20, 20:17
Like 70 to 80% of the active principles used in medecine from western countries are produced in China & India.
China sells all kinds of quality goods. If you're going to negociate the price to the lowest and don't spend a dollar on quality controle don't expect your product to be of quality, that's for sure.
So wether you like it or know it, yes its likely your medecine have a link with China.I didn't say any link? I wouldn't want a medicine as "finished product" from China I would prefer 0%.
But a small % is much different than a "finished product".
I was Mexico last year, I went to a farmacia, I went to a chain store and the farmacist advised me not buy to medicine in Mexico, he suggested I cross the border and buy in the USA.
He was a very nice man, and didn't want me getting even sicker, I'm guessing the cheap meds they sell in Mexico are knock offs made in China.
If they want to make knock offs it would be nice if they didn't kill people to make a few bucks.
https://medium.com/the-naked-architect/copycat-architecture-is-booming-in-china-87b2f4b9f628
All they do is make cheap plastic garbage cheaper and more inferior than anyone else can.
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However it is grossly irresponsible to keep suggesting it doesn't exist and that working girls should provide BBFS as a matter of course.
More irresponsible still that its OK to use what is essentially bribery to get them to overlook those risks when they first refuse to do so and finally totally reprehensible to denigrate them when they don't change their mind because they should know their only use on this earth is to serve the whims of men.One of the reasons I'm not a big fan of the "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" approach with regard to a session leading to BBFS is because that popular and seemingly benign method is far more apt to intimidate, manipulate and corner a girl into going along with BBFS against her better judgement than the way I do it.
The "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" punter has no idea why a girl doesn't brandish a condom and insist on its use at crunch time. I submit it could be because she has devoted a significant portion of the evening "off the market" with him and is worried about rocking the boat on anything he intends to do with her for fear of being put out with little or no money after investing so much time with him. Or by then she is so drunk from the drinks he and others bought for her that she isn't capable of making any sober decisions at all. Or by then she might even be reading his charming demeanor and their chemistry together as an indication she has a potential repeat customer here and her family could sure use that kind of ongoing income. He might even by then have gone so far as to tell her how "in love" he is with her he wants to take care of her and her family for a long time. Or, taking the opposite view, by then she might have seen in him a tendency to react a little too hot or angrily whenever he is crossed (by a server, a mamasan, another customer, a taxi driver, the hotel staff) and the last thing she wants is to cause another flare up and find his hands around her throat or balling up a fist.
I could come up with another half dozen reasons a girl to whom a "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" approach has been applied would not bring everything to a screetching halt at crunch time and insist on a condom that have nothing whatsoever to do with the girl "wanting" to fuck the man bareback for the sheer superior physical and sexual pleasure of it. Yet punters who think that preferred method is benign or "leaves it up to the girl" and that my method is "forcing" the girl to do something she wouldn't ordinarily agree to do love to tell themselves that's why the girl didn't work harder to insist on using a condom with them.
Anyone who is curious to find out if a girl "wants" or is genuinely inclined to be ok to fuck you bareback without it being a matter of force, intimidation, manipulation or cornering her into it at crunch time, imo the closest way to find out is drop the self-deluding "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" approach and try it my Upfront Agreement way; hit up girls earlier in the evening when they are sober and really do have the time and opportunity to say NO to you and choose another customer, not at closing time, not after she is falling down drunk, not when her only viable option is either you and whatever you want or to pay her own taxi fare back to her room alone with no other money. Then tell her you are interested in bareback as close as possible to the beginning of your encounter, at the second Lady Drink maximum, and long before she has committed and invested significant portions of her market/selling time "off the market" with you and with no one else. Then see if you can swing an Upfront Agreement for it.
I'd be surprised if there are 2 other punters in all of Thailand who go about scoring bareback with the girls as fair and square and without force, manipulation or intimidation as I do it. Hell, I "negotiated" BBFS (and was refused that AND BBBJ+CIM) with the Sukhumvit Road freelancer whose report of mine triggered much of this latest bareback discussion at 9AM in the morning, on the phone, while she was still laying in bed and hadn't even taken a taxi to her regular near Soi 19 stroll. In fact, she called me wanting to know that early in the day if she was going to book a session with me so she could decide whether or not to take the day off. And when we didn't book a session, sure enough I did not see her working in her spot that day or night. So much for being forced to agree to anything with me out of "desperation." lol
Add to that what you have generously pointed out about my at least having the consideration and courtesy to have gotten a vasectomy and always have a recent blood check document on hand to show anyone who wants to see it and I'd say my methods are about as responsible for scoring bareback as it is possible to get in the Thai P4P scene. But anyone else who has the brass punter balls I think it requires to do it my way rather than all the other more manipulative ways be warned: You WILL get a lot of refusals. And a lot of those refusals will be from girls who likely would have gone along with bareback fucking you if you had applied the "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" approach, especially if you had gone for it after she was clearly drunk, late at night when they have very few other options and certainly if at such a moment you offer them even more money for it.
The increased refusal rate is a high emotional price to pay in order to be as fair and square and non intimidating about it as I try to be about it. I suspect it is too high a price to pay for the vast majority of bareback-seeking punters. But I don't do it that way to be a hero and not for purely altruistic reasons. Mostly I do it that way because the sessions I get with girls who agree upfront to fuck me bareback when they are sober and could easily choose another customer instead are much better than what I get if I go to the extremes of timing it and manipulating them into it I read in other reports.
Franciscass
08-12-20, 04:01
Franciscass-.
Quote: For me the balance of the research indicates there is risk associated with unprotected sex in Thailand.
Whatever that risk is can be argued and working girls and their customers can make choices as they see fit.
However it is grossly irresponsible to keep suggesting it doesn't exist and that working girls should provide BBFS as a matter of course.
More irresponsible still that its OK to use what is essentially bribery to get them to overlook those risks when they first refuse to do so and finally totally reprehensible to denigrate them when they don't change their mind because they should know their only use on this earth is to serve the whims of men: quote.This is written in vanishing ink Natty so if interested better read it quick before it disappears.
Some clarifications if I may.
Pointing out there are risks associated with BBFS is not a moral issue it is a health issue.
Pushing back on misogynistic posts on the forum is common decency and respect for women.
I wholly respect the rights of consenting adults to do with each other without restriction whatever turns them on.
I disagree with any form of enticement, inducement coercion subtle or not to change the standards a girl who initially refuses BBFS.
I have enjoyed living here for well over 20 years, love the people, the food and the ladies.
I don't regard P4P as a form of slavery, how could I when in truth it is one of the reasons I live here.
I don't look down on the girls in the business as lazy poor illiterate WGs from the fields out to scam their way through life.
I don't regard taking care of some of them when they are genuinely down and out as is happening now as being taken advantage of.
Oops too long, already starting to disappear, bye Natty. Stay safe.
All they do is make cheap plastic garbageOh they for sure do plastic garbage & all sorts of other garbage but that's not "all they do".
They also make high end devices, are 2 years ahead in the 5G tech and now have most IT unicorns worldwide and are gaining a signeficant advance within artificial inteligence, automation robotics and even green techs.
Life isn't black or white nor do things stay the same forever...
Member #4698
08-12-20, 12:07
A friend of mine is in BKK right now. He tells me things are pretty amazing girl wise. For example, the other night he went to Baccara and Sharks on Cowboy. He had not been there for a long time. He saw a girl he once knew who used to work pre-Corona in Nana. Back then she was one of the most popular girls in Rainbow 4 and usually enjoyed 2 barfines per night. My friend had even barfined her a couple of times but then stopped because she was kind of cold and mechanical despite her hot looks. We all know the type: minimal DFK, no DATY, covered mish sex only, and in the bathroom cleaning up the second the session is over.
So he sees her over in a popular Cowboy Go Go, but does not call her over on account of his past experience with this one. There are maybe 5 or 6 other customers in the bar and it is a Saturday night - 10 pm. Eventually she wanders over to him and says Hello,. He offers her a drink for ol' times sake and she sits down, sips her drink and begins fooling around with his crotch under the table with her free hand. Long story short, he barfines her, takes her back to his apartment, and guess what? She is a different girl than the one he knew pre Corona: DFK and a BJ in the shower and another one on the bed. Then she moves up in between his legs and begins to mount him bareback. He gives her a surprised look and she responds, this OK, with a smile. Get the picture? And when it is all over she lays next to him on her side and caresses him. Later she asks if he wants to do it again. He says no not now and she says OK, but I can stay the night and we can boom boom in the morning, no extra charge if you want.
This is the kind of attitude change I keep hearing more and more about from friends and fellow punters who are in BKK at the moment during the pandemic. It is like a golden era that happens once every 50 years or so. I wish I was in BKK right now! [Deleted by Admin]
Crocodilexp
08-13-20, 03:11
A friend of mine is in BKK right now. He tells me things are pretty amazing girl wise... It is like a golden era that happens once every 50 years or so. I wish I was in BKK right now! The girls are definitely more desperate, more eager for business, less likely to haggle much and maybe give better service in hopes of repeats (though not always, habits are hard to change! However, the scene quality has already been in sharp decline for several years before Covid, and right now it's all the same girls, only fewer of them, the duller ones who didn't figure out it's time for a change. It's clearly NOT in any way comparable to the pre-2010 golden era on lower Sukhumvit.
Many of the nights I walked around and visited a few venues without finding a single girl I'd feel compelled to pursue. Maybe a few I would pick if it were my last week in Thailand (it's not), but 90% are not even in that category. In the real golden era, I wasn't searching for a passable one, but choosing among attractive ones.
In addition, desperation is not fun. Sure, you'll shag more for less, but the vibe is definitely off.
The girls are definitely more desperate, more eager for business, less likely to haggle much and maybe give better service in hopes of repeats (though not always, habits are hard to change! However, the scene quality has already been in sharp decline for several years before Covid, and right now it's all the same girls, only fewer of them, the duller ones who didn't figure out it's time for a change. It's clearly NOT in any way comparable to the pre-2010 golden era on lower Sukhumvit.
Many of the nights I walked around and visited a few venues without finding a single girl I'd feel compelled to pursue. Maybe a few I would pick if it were my last week in Thailand (it's not), but 90% are not even in that category. In the real golden era, I wasn't searching for a passable one, but choosing among attractive ones.
In addition, desperation is not fun. Sure, you'll shag more for less, but the vibe is definitely off.I am not sensing the least bit of "desperation" from the girls to provide more or better service than they would have ordinarily except for the ones who were already my regulars or repeats, as I mentioned. And I think that is more a matter of rare Thai girl gratitude since none of them have much reason to be desperate. New ones are only willing to lower their price by some pleasantly acceptable but hardly life altering percentage.
The same level of attractive new girls who refused BBFS with me during normal times are still doing it now and perfectly fine to watch me and my 2,500 - 3,000 baht offered walk away no matter how devoid of other customers the area is, how late on their rent they are or weeks without milk their babies and family buffalo have gone.
I realize that is wonderful news for several members here. But since Natty's friend's anecdote turned quite a bit on his hot and popular girl finally agreeing to BBFS as the sign for this supposed new Golden Era, it is a factor that applies to my observations as well.
Many of my fellow expats and frequent Bangkok visitor friends who found themselves stuck on the outside have been calling, sending me Line messages and emails begging me to tell them this economic downturn has caused the scene here to become a monger's paradise of the hottest girls handing out BBFS and BBBJ+CIM+Swallow left and right for rock bottom prices. Like Natty's friend's anecdote but 1000 times over.
Nope. You guys can sleep well at night in your home country knowing that ain't happening as far as this punter has noticed.
Franciscass
08-13-20, 04:35
I am not sensing the least bit of "desperation" from the girls to provide more or better service than they would have ordinarily except for the ones who were already my regulars or repeats, as I mentioned. And I think that is more a matter of rare Thai girl gratitude since none of them have much reason to be desperate. New ones are only willing to lower their price by some pleasantly acceptable but hardly life altering percentage.
The same level of attractive new girls who refused BBFS with me during normal times are still doing it now and perfectly fine to watch me and my 2,500 - 3,000 baht offered walk away no matter how devoid of other customers the area is, how late on their rent they are or weeks without milk their babies and family buffalo have gone.
I realize that is wonderful news for several members here. But since Natty's friend's anecdote turned quite a bit on his hot and popular girl finally agreeing to BBFS as the sign for this supposed new Golden Era, it is a factor that applies to my observations as well.
Many of my fellow expats and frequent Bangkok visitor friends who found themselves stuck on the outside have been calling, sending me Line messages and emails begging me to tell them this economic downturn has caused the scene here to become a monger's paradise of the hottest girls handing out BBFS and BBBJ+CIM+Swallow left and right for rock bottom prices. Like Natty's friend's anecdote but 1000 times over.
Nope. You guys can sleep well at night in your home country knowing that ain't happening as far as this punter has noticed.Using the denominator of availability of BBFS while eminently understandable for you is not what I feel makes the difference for most punters who don't have the same need. Experiencing the availability on demand of top class talent at reduced prices combined with more enthusiastic service is I feel what works for the majority of customers.
I have to say ET and I don't know if you would agree or not that it says something when girls even with some financial difficulties in their lives are still wisely not willing to risk their health going bareback. While you with your testing and other safeguards are most likely perfectly safe to shag BB this is not the situation with all potential customers.
Using the denominator of availability of BBFS while eminently understandable for you is not what I feel makes the difference for most punters who don't have the same need. Experiencing the availability on demand of top class talent at reduced prices combined with more enthusiastic service is I feel what works for the majority of customers.
I have to say ET and I don't know if you would agree or not that it says something when girls even with some financial difficulties in their lives are still wisely not willing to risk their health going bareback. While you with your testing and other safeguards are most likely perfectly safe to shag BB this is not the situation with all potential customers.What is the something you think it says? Obviously, I know many girls who bareback me and I have no reason to believe I am the only one they do it with. While the same percentage of girls who say "NO" to an upfront agreement the way I prefer is no different during these times, so is the percentage who say "Yes."
And, mind you, I am the rare punter who actually negotiates these things early enough for the girl to very easily say "NO" and choose another customer without her having invested important hours of her selling time with me. Most punters who get bareback here get it after tying up her time, plying her with many drinks, leading up to crunch time in the room where if she doesn't watch her step she has every reason to believe she might be put out with little or no money for her whole night. That is, if she is sober enough to think much about it at all.
Otherwise known as "go with the flow and see what happens in the room."
I have little doubt a high percentage of the girls who say "NO" to me when I give them all the time and opportunity in the world to say "NO" if she has any qualms about it at all would probably go along with it if only I applied some of the manipulation techiques we read about on these threads from guys who apply them and claim a 90%-100% success rate in getting BBFS. "Go with the flow and see what happens in the room" figuring highly on the list of methods.
Franciscass, you'll just have to face the fact that many, many, I'll even say most Thai P4P girls here, easily a high percentage of the ones you and I would ever meet, are engaging in BBFS with customers.
The fact that you don't get it from the girls you take because you don't request or push for it and my percentage of getting it is lower than it easily would be only because I choose not to apply the popular methods of manipulation that virtually every other BBFS-seeking punter I know applies to it means almost nothing.
Franciscass
08-13-20, 17:19
What is the something you think it says? Obviously, I know many girls who bareback me and I have no reason to believe I am the only one they do it with. While the same percentage of girls who say "NO" to an upfront agreement the way I prefer is no different during these times, so is the percentage who say "Yes."
And, mind you, I am the rare punter who actually negotiates these things early enough for the girl to very easily say "NO" and choose another customer without her having invested important hours of her selling time with me. Most punters who get bareback here get it after tying up her time, plying her with many drinks, leading up to crunch time in the room where if she doesn't watch her step she has every reason to believe she might be put out with little or no money for her whole night. That is, if she is sober enough to think much about it at all.
Otherwise known as "go with the flow and see what happens in the room..ET I was simply following up on your post.
"Yet I still got six "NO" replies to BBFS in a row even though I offered 2,500 - 3,000 baht from new girls".
The point I was making was these 6 new girls who refused I believe felt there were associated health / pregnancy risks.
Girls say no but you say later most do bare body. If true why when they say no initially? You explanation which if true is sad reflection on our fellow mongers.
1)"Most punters who get bareback here get it after tying up her time, plying her with many drinks, leading up to crunch time in the room where if she doesn't watch her step she has every reason to believe she might be put out with little or no money for her whole night. That is, if she is sober enough to think much about it at all".
2)"manipulation techniques we read about on these threads from guys who apply them".
Invisible Man.
ET I was simply following up on your post.
"Yet I still got six "NO" replies to BBFS in a row even though I offered 2,500 - 3,000 baht from new girls".
The point I was making was these 6 new girls who refused I believe felt there were associated health / pregnancy risks.
Girls say no but you say later most do bare body. If true why when they say no initially? You explanation which if true is sad reflection on our fellow mongers.
1)"Most punters who get bareback here get it after tying up her time, plying her with many drinks, leading up to crunch time in the room where if she doesn't watch her step she has every reason to believe she might be put out with little or no money for her whole night. That is, if she is sober enough to think much about it at all".
2)"manipulation techniques we read about on these threads from guys who apply them".
Invisible Man.Whenever I describe my preferred method of bringing up the subject of "boom boom no condom" upfront in the bar, at the club, in the massage shop, on the street, wherever, whether it is on these threads or in person with fellow punters I have met over the years, along with my success rate of getting takers at, oh, 60% or so overall, I can't count the number of times the multiple replies from other experienced punters is some variation of, "Why do that? I NEVER talk about condoms upfront. I just go with the flow and see what happens in the room and 90% of the time we wind up fucking bareback."
Surely you can't have missed that after all this time.
And I have been there many times, too. Just last week I took a new girl in town working in one of the new beer bars on Soi 7. Quite attractive. Being fairly new to the scene from Surin and working in Bangkok for the first time, she was very curious to see the go-go bars on Soi Cowboy and in Nana Plaza. So I paid the barfine and took her bar hopping. No real stated plan to even wind up in my room for sex or anything else. Just something fun to do on one of these very quiet nights lately.
Many drinks later she's crashing for the night in my bed drunk as a skunk. But she's still hot and I'm ram rod hard for her. Dripping wet and ready after several DATY orgasms, she lays back with her legs open, a beautifully shaved smooth and wet pussy waiting for dick, I make my move to enter her.
"Ohhh noooo. Must use condom."
I know exactly what the "90% of the time we wind up fucking bareback" punters would have done at such a moment; forged ahead anyway as though they never heard her slur out that statement in her drunken state. Or they would have cajoled, sweet talked, gamed her into going along with it anyway. And when they wrote the report about it here the next day, doubtful that part of it would be included.
But that isn't my thing. Not my style. And I knew this drunk lady would not have co-operated with even the most minor tweak I need beyond put it in and get it off that I require anyway. We just slept. Next morning I gave her 2,000 for the LT. This was after having paid the barfine the night before and picking up the tab for a ton if drinks for her, a couple of her co-workers at the bar and myself.
I haven't bothered to see her again. She sent me a couple of cute Line stickers since that night. But I have been busy enough spending much less baht for much better fully and happily consenting sober sex with my regular girlfriends and favorite P4P repeats I have not even gone back to her bar to say Hi.
Franciscass
08-14-20, 03:13
Whenever I describe my preferred method of bringing up the subject of "boom boom no condom" upfront in the bar, at the club, in the massage shop, on the street, wherever, whether it is on these threads or in person with fellow punters I have met over the years, along with my success rate of getting takers at, oh, 60% or so overall, I can't count the number of times the multiple replies from other experienced punters is some variation of, "Why do that? I NEVER talk about condoms upfront. I just go with the flow and see what happens in the room and 90% of the time we wind up fucking bareback."
Surely you can't have missed that after all this time.
And I have been there many times, too. Just last week I took a new girl in town working in one of the new beer bars on Soi 7. Quite attractive. Being fairly new to the scene from Surin and working in Bangkok for the first time, she was very curious to see the go-go bars on Soi Cowboy and in Nana Plaza. So I paid the barfine and took her bar hopping. No real stated plan to even wind up in my room for sex or anything else. Just something fun to do on one of these very quiet nights lately.
Many drinks later she's crashing for the night in my bed drunk as a skunk. But she's still hot and I'm ram rod hard for her. Dripping wet and ready after several DATY orgasms, she lays back with her legs open, a beautifully shaved smooth and wet pussy waiting for dick, I make my move to enter her..May not agree with all of your beliefs ET but never doubted your values ET when it comes to your behavior.
It is true, believe me, that many TGs will have BBFS with farangs. Personally I'd recommend getting the lady HIV tested first and yourself as well, especially if she is going to be a regular. Besides testing you can also protect yourself with circumcision & protect the lady by being an excellent practitioner of coitus interruptus. Using pure coconut oil as a lube & barrier wouldn't hurt either. Both testing & a promise not to cum within her will help assure the lady. Just be sure to keep your word.
Banana Boi
08-14-20, 03:52
"Why do that? I NEVER talk about condoms upfront. I just go with the flow and see what happens in the room and 90% of the time we wind up fucking bareback."Hopefully you have caught on that the guy who keeps saying he gets BBFS from 90% of the girls in Thailand and SE Asia is trolling.
Hopefully you have caught on that the guy who keeps saying he gets BBFS from 90% of the girls in Thailand and SE Asia is trolling.That might be, but anyone claiming a 90-100% success rate of getting BBFS+CIP with Thai P4P girls by merely applying the most popularly discussed methods of manipulation or simply ignoring the girl's refusal at crunch time with "NO" or "Condom" mirrors exactly the rate of success I hear about from several other fellow ISG members I have met and dozens of visitors to Thailand who have never heard of ISG. Or, at least, we never mentioned it.
Practically every fellow punter I have met talks about being on a constant hunt for and will do whatever it takes to get BBFS+CIP from the girls they barfine, meet in the shops, pick up in the clubs or off the street. In most cases, I know they session with a different girl or two virtually every day they are here. On the rare occasions they DIDN'T get BBFS+CIP with the girl they were with previously, I hear about it with their griping and complaining. LOL.
Essentially, they all apply some method of manipulation mentioned here by the experts; "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" tying up their time most of the night so they wouldn't dare deliver ANYTHING that might displease the guy and cause her to be put out with little or no money, get her falling down drunk, hang outside the bars at closing time when they might be falling down drunk already and have very little options for making money except the helpful punter with his own mode of transportation, tell them you're a modeling agent looking for new star material (LOL), dangle a big tip over their head, profess real love and an intention to see her many times to help her and her family, react with hostility to the slightest thing leading right up to the room and on the bed causing the girl to be terrified to cross him on anything, you name it.
I can honestly say I have only met ONE fellow punter, other than me, out of the dozens I have met who has the brass punter balls I believe it takes to approach girls early, before they are drunk, when they have plenty of time and opportunity to say "NO" to BBFS+CIP with him and choose another customer, tell the girl Upfront he wants BBFS+CIP and then see how that goes. And he happens to be a member of ISG:
MarquisdeSade1
He mentioned earlier that we'd met in Bangkok, shopped around and mongered together off and on over the course of a few weeks in the past. I watched him in action (from afar but still observable. We both agree this type of "negotiation" must be done privately between you and the girl). I know he closed BBFS+CIP deals with good looking young go-go dancers within a minute without even buying a drink for himself or a lady drink for the girl. LOL. I watched him do it several times. And, if I'm not mistaken, that was his first trip to Thailand.
Sure, there is no way for me to know what happened in the privacy of his room or exactly how much he paid for it. That is true of all of us with regard to the other punters we meet or read about here. But watching him in action with his particular type of look, vibe and energy, I have no reason to believe he didn't pay far less than the going rate and got exactly what he negotiated for Upfront in the bar, the street, wherever, a vast majority of the time.
Franciscass
08-14-20, 12:15
Practically every fellow punter I have met talks about being on a constant hunt for and will do whatever it takes to get BBFS+CIP.ET You and your friends must hail from a part of the planet I'm not familiar with. Over the twenty odd years I've been here I've entertained many visitors both young and old and all but a handful were happy to wear a condom. Sure some if given the opportunity went bareback but more were not interested having the usual health concerns. I also have a number of friends here and none insist on BBFS or CIM. As I said perhaps we are on different orbits with different realities. Would be interesting to see what the research if it exists shows.
That might be, but anyone claiming a 90-100% success rate of getting BBFS+CIP with Thai P4P girls by merely applying the most popularly discussed methods of manipulation or simply ignoring the girl's refusal at crunch time with "NO" or "Condom" mirrors exactly the rate of success I hear about from several other fellow ISG members I have met and dozens of visitors to Thailand who have never heard of ISG. Or, at least, we never mentioned it..............Nevertheless ET from all reports you are the bare back king of ISG.
MarquisdeSade1
08-14-20, 14:25
It is true, believe me, that many TGs will have BBFS with farangs. Personally I'd recommend getting the lady HIV tested first and yourself as well, especially if she is going to be a regular. Besides testing you can also protect yourself with circumcision & protect the lady by being an excellent practitioner of coitus interruptus. Using pure coconut oil as a lube & barrier wouldn't hurt either. Both testing & a promise not to cum within her will help assure the lady. Just be sure to keep your word.Cum inside is my SOP, pussy mouth or anus almost 40 yrs of sex never ever once coitus interrupts free or p4p, if that was standard, I would be addicted to porn instead of the real thing.
MarquisdeSade1
08-14-20, 14:30
That might be, but anyone claiming a 90-100% success rate of getting BBFS+CIP with Thai P4P girls by merely applying the most popularly discussed methods of manipulation or simply ignoring the girl's refusal at crunch time with "NO" or "Condom" mirrors exactly the rate of success I hear about from several other fellow ISG members I have met and dozens of visitors to Thailand who have never heard of ISG. Or, at least, we never mentioned it.
Practically every fellow punter I have met talks about being on a constant hunt for and will do whatever it takes to get BBFS+CIP from the girls they barfine, meet in the shops, pick up in the clubs or off the street. In most cases, I know they session with a different girl or two virtually every day they are here. On the rare occasions they DIDN'T get BBFS+CIP with the girl they were with previously, I hear about it with their griping and complaining. LOL.
Essentially, they all apply some method of manipulation mentioned here by the experts; "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" tying up their time most of the night so they wouldn't dare deliver ANYTHING that might displease the guy and cause her to be put out with little or no money, get her falling down drunk, hang outside the bars at closing time when they might be falling down drunk already and have very little options for making money except the helpful punter with his own mode of transportation, tell them you're a modeling agent looking for new star material (LOL), dangle a big tip over their head, profess real love and an intention to see her many times to help her and her family, react with hostility to the slightest thing leading right up to the room and on the bed causing the girl to be terrified to cross him on anything, you name it..I never agree to full price, it has to be less than everyone else pays or I won't take her LOL.
I want more than everyone else gets, FOR less thb LOL.
I thought I was the best monger in BKK but that title goes to ET but he lives there and spends his thb more freely than this monger.
When I get a girl my objective is to see how close to free I can get here, not how much I can empty my wallet for a nut like I hear so many doing in Pattaya.
Long time lurker here. Too all you valued posters who have a hard time believing others posters claim about bbfs, age and physical appearance matters.
Also if you could not go out and pick up attractive women in your home country then most likely the women in sea are not swooning over you also.
If you can not go to a club and not embarrass yourself on the dance floor then what do you think some 18-25 yr old would see in you? Besides your wallet of course.
Long story short. Some guys have no problems getting the extras because the girls would actually fuck them for free. Not taking shots at anyone, just trying to point out the obvious!
Nevertheless ET from all reports you are the bare back king of ISG.Oh no, not even close.
The crown for king or best on ISG would have to go to the long term, highly respected posters here who report getting bareback as the norm without discussion or objection from any girl they've spied, liked and taken, including the top best lookers from the top go-go bars, any night of the week, whenever they want and have never in many years paid one more than 1,000 - 1,100 baht for Long Time and whose claims are then confirmed by eye witness testimony from other long term, well respected posters here.
That wouldn't be me by a mile.
I do ok for an old farang.
Hopefully you have caught on that the guy who keeps saying he gets BBFS from 90% of the girls in Thailand and SE Asia is trolling.Thanks BB, but what I can't rap my head around is why someone would keep doing that. I can only reach the conclusion that not so innocent objectives may be behind it. I'm glad other punters can see through it though it is a little over the top.
Franciscass
08-15-20, 08:14
I thought I was the best monger in BKK but that title goes to ET but he lives there and spends his thb more freely than this monger.Sorry guys, hate to bust up this mutual admiration thing you got going between yourselves but I'm the no 1 monger as proven by a recent poll of some 1500 working girls in Lower Sukhumvit (soi to soi 39). I came out on top (pardon the pun) in all categories, looks, personality, performance, , generosity, want to see again, and where to get the best noodles. Unfortunately but understandably for national security reasons the poll cannot be made public. Incidentally ET you came 4th some problem I believe with requiring specialized services and the Marquis didn't make the top ten.
Thanks BB, but what I can't rap my head around is why someone would keep doing that. I can only reach the conclusion that not so innocent objectives may be behind it. I'm glad other punters can see through it though it is a little over the top.To me, it is the substance of what someone posts, the topic, the observations, conclusions, debatable points and so on that matters and what it is about those things that inspires me to respond or not.
I really couldn't care less if all ten of my previous replies were to the same member hiding behind different identities and ISG accounts and that old lady has not left her Des Moines, Iowa basement since 1965 if what she posted is worth considering and responding to based on my experiences and observations as well.
For example, I assume we are all talking about a particular member who claims to get bareback from every Thai P4P girl he approaches by either lying to her about his intense feelings of love for her, hinting he will take care of her and her family for a long time, dangling a sizable tip in front of her and so on. No doubt his style of posting seems for all the world to be comically fake, a made up persona to keep us from figuring out who he or she really is on the board.
But the thing is the methods of manipulation he delights in describing and reporting ARE KNOWN to work on a huge percentage of P4P girls who might not otherwise agree so readily to bareback. At least, according to what I have heard from dozens of punters who apply those methods.
Therefore, what that member posts is valid and worth responding to imo even if he is actually a 90 year old lady who has never been here but who now believes in her heart that you really do pronounce the name of the country "Thigh-land."
Sorry guys, hate to bust up this mutual admiration thing you got going between yourselves but I'm the no 1 monger as proven by a recent poll of some 1500 working girls in Lower Sukhumvit (soi to soi 39). I came out on top (pardon the pun) in all categories, looks, personality, performance, , generosity, want to see again, and where to get the best noodles. Unfortunately but understandably for national security reasons the poll cannot be made public. Incidentally ET you came 4th some problem I believe with requiring specialized services and the Marquis didn't make the top ten.No, Franciscass, you forgot this election is decided by the Electoral College on a bar by bar basis. The popular vote is interesting. You can tell your grandkids about it. But that isn't how you win the crown around here.
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Oh no, not even close.
The crown for king or best on ISG would have to go to the long term, highly respected posters here who report getting bareback as the norm without discussion or objection from any girl they've spied, liked and taken, including the top best lookers from the top go-go bars, any night of the week, whenever they want and have never in many years paid one more than 1,000 - 1,100 baht for Long Time and whose claims are then confirmed by eye witness testimony from other long term, well respected posters here............That's why I said from all reports.
MarquisdeSade1
08-15-20, 16:53
Long time lurker here. Too all you valued posters who have a hard time believing others posters claim about bbfs, age and physical appearance matters.
Also if you could not go out and pick up attractive women in your home country then most likely the women in sea are not swooning over you also.
If you can not go to a club and not embarrass yourself on the dance floor then what do you think some 18-25 yr old would see in you? Besides your wallet of course.
Long story short. Some guys have no problems getting the extras because the girls would actually fuck them for free. Not taking shots at anyone, just trying to point out the obvious!You could say there are 2 types of mongers.
High self-esteem.
Low self-esteem.
The 1st group will always seek out value for money via great service great prices.
The 2nd group has low self-esteem so this destroys the market over time, sometimes faster in some places depending on their numbers.
They chase the 8's 9's and 10's and will accept any service at any price, because they have low self-esteem, and then they will declare victory over all of us LMAO.
Member #4698
08-15-20, 20:04
You could say there are 2 types of mongers.
High self-esteem. / Low self-esteem.
The 1st group will always seek out value for money via great service great prices.
The 2nd group has low self-esteem so this destroys the market over time, sometimes faster in some places depending on their numbers.
They chase the 8's 9's and 10's and will accept any service at any price, because they have low self-esteem, and then they will declare victory over all of us LMAO.You seem to conveniently leave out that the 1st group sometimes sacrifices quality or convenience. Not always, but sometimes. ME, I prefer lookers over plain girls and I am willing to pay the market rate for them whatever that is depending on when and where I find them. Keep in mind that poon is a depreciating asset just like hotel rooms and empty plane seats. That why guys who are willing to wait until 4 am can usually score a better deal than guys that want that girl at 9 pm.
As I indicated above, I pay the going rate for what I like when I want it. But that does not mean I always pay top Thai dollar IE 2000 to 2500 baht (oily), 2500 to 3000 baht (Go Go), 4000 baht & more (high end nightclubs), to sometimes well over 4000 baht in a Soapy. At the same time, or rather at different times, you can find me cruising Soi 6 or Soi Full Love Inn in Pat in the afternoon or Soi 4 and Sukhumvit looking for a sexy SW's from 1 am to 4 am. I dig variety. It mixes things up and makes it more interesting. But make no mistake, the sexy, scrawny, little girl I had fun with last time I went to 007 Bar (Soi Full Love Inn) and had for 1000 baht was no comparison in looks to the 6000 baht Maria Hotel & Spa soapy massage sideline girl that I 69'd and enjoyed licking her "A" hole.
So, I guess this puts me in a 3rd group of punters who know the score and are willing to pay going rates to have their cake and eat it too when and where they want it. I will add that I don't care what other punters are doing or paying. My focus is 100% on the girls and having a good time. Other punters don't really exist in my world. 555.
You could say there are 2 types of mongers.
High self-esteem.
Low self-esteem.
The 1st group will always seek out value for money via great service great prices.
The 2nd group has low self-esteem so this destroys the market over time, sometimes faster in some places depending on their numbers.
They chase the 8's 9's and 10's and will accept any service at any price, because they have low self-esteem, and then they will declare victory over all of us LMAO.IMHO I'd add at least one other, 3rd, group.
Those with average or high esteem who pay above market rates because:
(A) they can and or have the disposable burnable income or assets to do so and or.
(B) they hope this will get them better service and or.
(C) hook the lady as wanting to be a regular if her service and or attitude is up to his standards.
Long time lurker here. Too all you valued posters who have a hard time believing others posters claim about bbfs, age and physical appearance matters.
Also if you could not go out and pick up attractive women in your home country then most likely the women in sea are not swooning over you also.
If you can not go to a club and not embarrass yourself on the dance floor then what do you think some 18-25 yr old would see in you? Besides your wallet of course.
Long story short. Some guys have no problems getting the extras because the girls would actually fuck them for free. Not taking shots at anyone, just trying to point out the obvious!Well said. Yes, age and appearance matter.
Even so, sometimes Thai women will actually prefer the older well dressed gentleman rather than a Justin Bieber or Brad Pitt lookalike.
Some Thai women are looking for a wealthy sugar daddy or husband to "take care" of her, her family, all her relatives, kin & the entire village.
In return she will "take care" of her farang very well, I'm sure.
Some other factors may also come into play to attract Thai ladies, besides mere cash and being a high or low roller.
For example, how one smells. Is your scent of Chanel number 5. Or dog shit.
For another example, are you a polite or interesting talker. Do you speak Thai. Do you show interest in your "date". Are you considerate. Do you have "game".
For yet another example, race may also be an important factor with some Thai females, whether in or out of the "pay for play" market.
MarquisdeSade1
08-16-20, 00:10
IMHO I'd add at least one other, 3rd, group.
Those with average or high esteem who pay above market rates because:
(A) they can and or have the disposable burnable income or assets to do so and or.
(B) they hope this will get them better service and or.
(C) hook the lady as wanting to be a regular if her service and or attitude is up to his standards.Are you suggesting you do this? What else do you do this with? Hairdresser? Plumber? Car mechanic? Physician? Attorney?
Do you pay more at restos so the cook, cooks better for you?
Goferring wrote back last year a great post, that states this does not work, as a matter of fact, they know the reasonable price, and once you cross that line, you have labeled.
Yourself a chump and / or easy mark, to be taken advantage of, and not to be respected.
Wiser words were never spoken!
You could say there are 2 types of mongers.
High self-esteem.
Low self-esteem.
The 1st group will always seek out value for money via great service great prices.
The 2nd group has low self-esteem so this destroys the market over time, sometimes faster in some places depending on their numbers.
They chase the 8's 9's and 10's and will accept any service at any price, because they have low self-esteem, and then they will declare victory over all of us LMAO.I disagree. Low self esteem mongers are not chasing anything above a 7. They are all about getting girls for a cheap price. They could care less if she has the face of a pig.
HorseTrader
08-16-20, 03:37
IMHO I'd add at least one other, 3rd, group.
Those with average or high esteem who pay above market rates because:
(A) they can and or have the disposable burnable income or assets to do so and or.
(B) they hope this will get them better service and or.
(C) hook the lady as wanting to be a regular if her service and or attitude is up to his standards.This might be my category, with a footnote. That 3000 baht agogo girl is probably 2000 baht on the second evening and 1500 baht thereafter. But, there is no second date if the first date isn't on point. I have a history of sending the poor performers away before the first date is finished, usually with partial payment. I'll just go out and bring another back a short time later. I'm willing to pay whatever it takes, but I insist on good performance.
There are also the men who have so much money that 1,000 baht versus 10,000 baht makes no difference to them. There is no point in haggling price because an extra 9,000 baht is no more significant to these men than buying the 10 baht water instead of the 7 baht water at 7-11.
MarquisdeSade1
08-16-20, 04:17
This might be my category, with a footnote. That 3000 baht agogo girl is probably 2000 baht on the second evening and 1500 baht thereafter. But, there is no second date if the first date isn't on point. I have a history of sending the poor performers away before the first date is finished, usually with partial payment. I'll just go out and bring another back a short time later. I'm willing to pay whatever it takes, but I insist on good performance.
There are also the men who have so much money that 1,000 baht versus 10,000 baht makes no difference to them. There is no point in haggling price because an extra 9,000 baht is no more significant to these men than buying the 10 baht water instead of the 7 baht water at 7-11.Its all about performance performance performance.
I don't want a supermodel for 100 thb if her performance is shit.
One point of disagreement, the guys with huge bank accts, I seriously doubt they are mongering where the rest of us are?
If they are, I think they are lost, there are some big money venues in the world and sorry guys BKK is not one of them LOL.
If I wanted to spend 10000 thb for a pop I wouldn't do it in BKK.
The idea of a rich guy hunting pussy in BKK makes me want to piss myself laughing.
I love Thai hookers but I doubt there is one worth 10000 thb in all of Thailand.
You could say there are 2 types of mongers.
High self-esteem.
Low self-esteem.
The 1st group will always seek out value for money via great service great prices.
The 2nd group has low self-esteem so this destroys the market over time, sometimes faster in some places depending on their numbers.
They chase the 8's 9's and 10's and will accept any service at any price, because they have low self-esteem, and then they will declare victory over all of us LMAO.Very well stated. Agree 100 percent. Never really seen it put in writing in such a concise accurate way.
When I moved over 20 years ago the vast majority of dudes fit into the first category. I think a lot of that had to do with the fact that in order to live over here you had to have experienced some modicum of success in your life back home, be on a fat expat package, or be an English teacher who just didn't care about anything. There were also a lot of guys who could afford to come over here for a couple of months a year and they were normally quite successful back home as well. As flights became cheaper and things became easier and more accessible Thailand opened up to a very different type of punter. And that goes for both Western and Asian punters. So as time went by there were more and more that fit into the second category. I always found it comical with dudes who used P4 P to feed their ego. To me the whole idea of it is there is no ego involved.
JohnDarkSmith
08-16-20, 15:03
You could say there are 2 types of mongers.
High self-esteem.
Low self-esteem.
The 1st group will always seek out value for money via great service great prices.
The 2nd group has low self-esteem so this destroys the market over time, sometimes faster in some places depending on their numbers.
They chase the 8's 9's and 10's and will accept any service at any price, because they have low self-esteem, and then they will declare victory over all of us LMAO.So, people (mongers are people) with high self esteem would not go meet women without money involved?
I disagree. Low self esteem mongers are not chasing anything above a 7. They are all about getting girls for a cheap price. They could care less if she has the face of a pig.That's not low self esteem that's low bank account.
Its all about performance performance performance.
I don't want a supermodel for 100 thb if her performance is shit.
One point of disagreement, the guys with huge bank accts, I seriously doubt they are mongering where the rest of us are?
If they are, I think they are lost, there are some big money venues in the world and sorry guys BKK is not one of them LOL.
If I wanted to spend 10000 thb for a pop I wouldn't do it in BKK.
The idea of a rich guy hunting pussy in BKK makes me want to piss myself laughing.
I love Thai hookers but I doubt there is one worth 10000 thb in all of Thailand.If you don't travel in that sphere you wouldn't know. I am sure there are plenty of 10 k plus baht girls around. You can piss in your pants all you want.
You and I just don't know and probably will never know.
HorseTrader
08-16-20, 17:04
One point of disagreement, the guys with huge bank accts, I seriously doubt they are mongering where the rest of us are?
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I love Thai hookers but I doubt there is one worth 10000 thb in all of Thailand.I prefer the Thai women over women anywhere else in the world (mostly personality). If I had unlimited money, I would look to Thailand first with some sort of screening process that didn't result in bad dates.
Keep in mind that different things appeal to different people.
MarquisdeSade1
08-16-20, 17:36
If you don't travel in that sphere you wouldn't know. I am sure there are plenty of 10 k plus baht girls around. You can piss in your pants all you want.
You and I just don't know and probably will never know.You will see me pay 20000 thb in Moscow but never 10000 thb in BKK.
Maybe? For a non hooker? But not what's on offer in Nana Soi Cowboy or Thermae, I seriously doubt they are all hiding in Patpong or Pattaya.
I went into Emanulle one day and I pissed my pants laughing and had to leave to change my pants before I shit them.
And I must say again I absolutely love Thai hookers but lets be honest here, they are not international supermodel quality beauties.
You will see me pay 20000 thb in Moscow but never 10000 thb in BKK.
Maybe? For a non hooker? But not what's on offer in Nana Soi Cowboy or Thermae, I seriously doubt they are all hiding in Patpong or Pattaya.
I went into Emanulle one day and I pissed my pants laughing and had to leave to change my pants before I shit them.
And I must say again I absolutely love Thai hookers but lets be honest here, they are not international supermodel quality beauties.Like I said you are not in that world of 10 k plus baht girls. Hard to judge if you are not in it.
Are you suggesting you do this? What else do you do this with? Hairdresser? Plumber? Car mechanic? Physician? Attorney?
Do you pay more at restos so the cook, cooks better for you?
Goferring wrote back last year a great post, that states this does not work, as a matter of fact, they know the reasonable price, and once you cross that line, you have labeled.
Yourself a chump and / or easy mark, to be taken advantage of, and not to be respected.
Wiser words were never spoken!Well, my friend, IME I don't recall ever having paid beyond the "rate of the bill" with lawyers, at grocery stores, pharmacies & with many others. Though I did once offer a lawyer tickets to NHL games if he achieved a certain result for me. And with anyone who provides me with good, excellent or outstanding service, it is entirely possible if I were moved to do so that I would tip them as I have done with others in the past. For example, by giving a donation to this site.
In LOS I have tipped a 7-11 employee for helping me with something in the store. While to a plumber in my home first world nation who made an extra trip I gave an unusually large amount beyond the bill. In Bangkok I've also tipped for cutting my hair, massages, taxi drivers, and in restaurants, etc. Either for good service and or out of the generosity of my heart. I've also tipped in different situations in my birth country.
If an agreement to 1000 baht short time is made with a female street walker at the Nana Hotel & later back in his hotel room she consents to BBFS with with the guy & after he decides to generously tips her an extra 1000, is that so very different than the aforementioned that are being tipped for good service and or from the generosity of one's heart.
Is it wrong to tip her when she goes beyond what she had to. Assuming one can very easily afford to do so.
Moreover, Thailand is a poor country & is it a sin to help the relatively poor.
Also, don't you agree, that in a first world country to get BBFS from such a lady like that, if you could obtain it at all without much more difficulty, would be on average way more costly.
Of course sometimes the lady will be resistant to BBFS, but willing to do so if one offers more baht. In that case, if she puts out as promised, it would be only fair and right to pay her what you agreed to.
As to whether or not it works to get a woman as a regular and or one who provides better service because a client pays more, off the top of my head I'm not sure how that can be proven one way or the other. I'm not aware of any controlled scientific experiments on the subject. Personally, though, other things being equal, I'd probably prefer to choose an employer who pays more. Wouldn't you. Wouldn't you also be more happy working for him. Maybe even consider him to be, jai dee, good heart. Being around a happy lady is probably a good thing for the customer's happiness.
Whether or not any Thai "pay for play" gals have ever thought of me as an "easy mark, to be taken advantage of, and not to be respected", I can't say. I'm not sure I even care. After all I can't even understand Thai let alone read other people's minds. But even if that were true, I am happy, for then they are more likely going to keep coming back for more or to be a regular, which is what I want. At least from some of them. And one of the reasons in my mind for paying more than I have to.
Any that ever thought they will "take advantage of" me as in getting me, for example, as a "sugar daddy" for their whole extended family of relatives, friends, etc, they were disappointed. Some have spoken of farang giving them huge amounts of cash, like 100 K baht, but I've not been that kind of guy. Likewise with those who sized me up as a potential husband, boyfriend or monthly donor.
If the lady wants to keep me as one of her regulars, then she better keep up the level of performance. Otherwise she's toast. And considering that historically I have strong butterfly tendencies, and am continually changing, evolving, she probably will be anyway, sooner or later.
Hopefully that helps to explain where some punters may be coming from. Cheers.
MarquisdeSade1
08-16-20, 20:40
If the lady wants to keep me as one of her regulars, then she better keep up the level of performance. Otherwise she's toast. And considering that historically I have strong butterfly tendencies, and am continually changing, evolving, she probably will be anyway, sooner or later..Great line.
Locamotive
08-16-20, 22:39
Long time lurker here. Too all you valued posters who have a hard time believing others posters claim about bbfs, age and physical appearance matters.
Also if you could not go out and pick up attractive women in your home country then most likely the women in sea are not swooning over you also.
If you can not go to a club and not embarrass yourself on the dance floor then what do you think some 18-25 yr old would see in you? Besides your wallet of course.
Long story short. Some guys have no problems getting the extras because the girls would actually fuck them for free. Not taking shots at anyone, just trying to point out the obvious!Have not posted in some time before COVID-19,job is gone now so more free time. I agree with above except 2nd paragraph. I first worked in Philippines around 10 years ago, and many countries since then. After living in US all my life when I first arrived there I did not go out, I figured what's the point Friends were like dude you got to get out as a white western guy you will be very popular. Jesus. They weren't kidding. I was confused as nothing at home I would consider as a guy over 50 would speak to me, I tried!!When trying it was like Ewwww. How old are you? In other words I couldn't get laid in a women prison with a handful of pardons.
Asia was a welcoming surprise. It seemed all of a sudden I was Tom Cruise. Needless to say my past 10 years have been very enjoyable and my plan is to retire there. The US is a great country but for women it sucks. A man over 50 unless he is a gallizonaire can basically forget about anything under 30. Looks, well I'm not fat all my hair and 6' tall, average I guess. I'm praying this is over soon so as to get out of here. Many a friend here my age alone and miserable. I've tried to get them to visit but they just don't believe me. If they only knew.
In LOS I have tipped a 7-11 employee for helping me with something in the store. While to a plumber in my home first world nation who made an extra trip I gave an unusually large amount beyond the bill. In Bangkok....Yes, tip away, but I don't think the OP was talking about tipping, he was talking about paying over market price.
Moreover, Thailand is a poor country & is it a sin to help the relatively poor.There are many poor people in LOS, if you're trying to help the poor you hit the wrong demographic. Girls that are getting around 3000 for an hour's work don't really fit into this demographic that you're looking to help out of the kindness of your heart.
Also, don't you agree, that in a first world country to get BBFS from such a lady like that, if you could obtain it at all without much more difficulty, would be on average way more costly.And here is the line that gives it all away and proves a lot of mongers here are correct when they talk about spoiling the market and raising rates if there is enough of this logic going around. Please bear with me on this one. I live in a country where people get by with 300 USD a month. It's not a great living but we get by. Being that's the case, girls are happy to accept 20 USD per session, they'll accept less but are happy with it because they make that 300 USD in a week rather that in a month.
Along comes Freddie who pays 200 USD per session in his home country. Gives a model girl 50 USD for her service based on his logic that its way more costly where he comes from. Word gets around that Freddie's can pay that much, girls start asking for 50 from the many Freddie's coming into town. Model girls no longer happy that they're getting paid the same rate as regular sue, so they start asking Freddie's for 80 USD and get it because Freddie just paid 50 for Sue. And the wheel keeps spinning.
Of course sometimes the lady will be resistant to BBFS, but willing to do so if one offers more baht. In that case, if she puts out as promised, it would be only fair and right to pay her what you agreed to.If she is reluctant to BBFS to begin with, better not pressure / entice her to do it with more money. This is the opposite of being kind hearted. Find another that is ok with it. This has been discussed extensively in ETs posts, kindly read.
Any that ever thought they will "take advantage of" me as in getting me, for example, as a "sugar daddy" for their whole extended family of relatives, friends, etc, they were disappointed. Some have spoken of farang giving them huge amounts of cash, like 100 K baht, but I've not been that kind of guy. Likewise with those who sized me up as a potential husband, boyfriend or monthly donor.It's clear that you have been identified as a mark and targeted on more that one occasion, never have the more sensible mongers heard girls speaking about getting 100 k from other mongers because the girls have not marked them.
If the lady wants to keep me as one of her regulars, then she better keep up the level of performance. Otherwise she's toast. And considering that historically I have strong butterfly tendencies, and am continually changing, evolving, she probably will be anyway, sooner or later.It's not the lady keeping you as a regular, it's you keeping her as a regular.
Hopefully that helps to explain where some punters may be coming from. Cheers.Thanks, it does.
MarquisdeSade1
08-17-20, 12:28
Have not posted in some time before COVID-19,job is gone now so more free time. I agree with above except 2nd paragraph. I first worked in Philippines around 10 years ago, and many countries since then. After living in US all my life when I first arrived there I did not go out, I figured what's the point Friends were like dude you got to get out as a white western guy you will be very popular. Jesus. They weren't kidding. I was confused as nothing at home I would consider as a guy over 50 would speak to me, I tried!!When trying it was like Ewwww. How old are you? In other words I couldn't get laid in a women prison with a handful of pardons.
Asia was a welcoming surprise. It seemed all of a sudden I was Tom Cruise. Needless to say my past 10 years have been very enjoyable and my plan is to retire there. The US is a great country but for women it sucks. A man over 50 unless he is a gallizonaire can basically forget about anything under 30. Looks, well I'm not fat all my hair and 6' tall, average I guess. I'm praying this is over soon so as to get out of here. Many a friend here my age alone and miserable. I've tried to get them to visit but they just don't believe me. If they only knew.I agree you sound like a "catch", 6' white guy, most Asian girls want the white penis, except of course the most mercenary of the mercenary, they hunt the mongers that overpay them.
Its an odd thing when you are looking for pussy to buy, and they give it to you for free instead LOL.
Enjoy and cheers.
Life is good for the white man in SEA.
MarquisdeSade1
08-17-20, 12:35
Yes, tip away, but I don't think the OP was talking about tipping, he was talking about paying over market price.
There are many poor people in LOS, if you're trying to help the poor you hit the wrong demographic. Girls that are getting around 3000 for an hour's work don't really fit into this demographic that you're looking to help out of the kindness of your heart.
And here is the line that gives it all away and proves a lot of mongers here are correct when they talk about spoiling the market and raising rates if there is enough of this logic going around. Please bear with me on this one. I live in a country where people get by with 300 USD a month. It's not a great living but we get by. Being that's the case, girls are happy to accept 20 USD per session, they'll accept less but are happy with it because they make that 300 USD in a week rather that in a month.
Along comes Freddie who pays 200 USD per session in his home country. Gives a model girl 50 USD for her service based on his logic that its way more costly where he comes from. Word gets around that Freddie's can pay that much, girls start asking for 50 from the many Freddie's coming into town. Model girls no longer happy that they're getting paid the same rate as regular sue, so they start asking Freddie's for 80 USD and get it because Freddie just paid 50 for Sue. And the wheel keeps spinning..Nicely done, I didn't have the energy to break it down like that.
...........Along comes Freddie who pays 200 USD per session in his home country. Gives a model girl 50 USD for her service based on his logic that its way more costly where he comes from. Word gets around that Freddie's can pay that much, girls start asking for 50 from the many Freddie's coming into town. Model girls no longer happy that they're getting paid the same rate as regular sue, so they start asking Freddie's for 80 USD and get it because Freddie just paid 50 for Sue. And the wheel keeps spinning.............Freddie with big bank account overpays in Thailand. Returns home happy with empty balls. Girls who he overpaid tell other girls and soon all girls now want more money. Cheapie Charlies can no longer monger. Less competition for girls for Freddie when Freddie returns?
Banana Boi
08-17-20, 17:02
Yes, tip away, but I don't think the OP was talking about tipping, he was talking about paying over market price.Tipping is not customary in Thailand. Only in tourist parts where Farang are plentiful have the girls and service workers has become accustomed to tips. It's why Thai service workers put up with Farang.
Many many years ago I remember tipping in Japan because I had just finished one of the best meals I have ever had in my life in a dingy Japanese Izakaya. When the owner found out I tipped he ran out of the izakaya to give me my tip back. His English was poor but he did know how to say 'no tip'. Japanese take pride in providing good service and goods and unless you are in a tourist area tipping is considered an insult.
I agree you sound like a "catch", 6' white guy, most Asian girls want the white penis
Asian girls want white penis? Asians prefer Asians, not white men. No different than white preferring white, blacks preferring blacks, Latina preferring Latina. Now if money is involved that's different.
Well, my friend, IME I don't recall ever having paid beyond the "rate of the bill" with lawyers, at grocery stores, pharmacies & with many others. Though I did once offer a lawyer tickets to NHL games if he achieved a certain result for me. And with anyone who provides me with good, excellent or outstanding service, it is entirely possible if I were moved to do so that I would tip them as I have done with others in the past. For example, by giving a donation to this site.
In LOS I have tipped a 7-11 employee for helping me with something in the store. While to a plumber in my home first world nation who made an extra trip I gave an unusually large amount beyond the bill. In Bangkok I've also tipped for cutting my hair, massages, taxi drivers, and in restaurants, etc. Either for good service and or out of the generosity of my heart. I've also tipped in different situations in my birth country.
If an agreement to 1000 baht short time is made with a female street walker at the Nana Hotel & later back in his hotel room she consents to BBFS with with the guy & after he decides to generously tips her an extra 1000, is that so very different than the aforementioned that are being tipped for good service and or from the generosity of one's heart.
Is it wrong to tip her when she goes beyond what she had to. Assuming one can very easily afford to do so.
Moreover, Thailand is a poor country & is it a sin to help the relatively poor.
Also, don't you agree, that in a first world country to get BBFS from such a lady like that, if you could obtain it at all without much more difficulty, would be on average way more costly.
Of course sometimes the lady will be resistant to BBFS, but willing to do so if one offers more baht. In that case, if she puts out as promised, it would be only fair and right to pay her what you agreed to.
As to whether or not it works to get a woman as a regular and or one who provides better service because a client pays more, off the top of my head I'm not sure how that can be proven one way or the other. I'm not aware of any controlled scientific experiments on the subject. Personally, though, other things being equal, I'd probably prefer to choose an employer who pays more. Wouldn't you. Wouldn't you also be more happy working for him. Maybe even consider him to be, jai dee, good heart. Being around a happy lady is probably a good thing for the customer's happiness.
Whether or not any Thai "pay for play" gals have ever thought of me as an "easy mark, to be taken advantage of, and not to be respected", I can't say. I'm not sure I even care. After all I can't even understand Thai let alone read other people's minds. But even if that were true, I am happy, for then they are more likely going to keep coming back for more or to be a regular, which is what I want. At least from some of them. And one of the reasons in my mind for paying more than I have to.
Any that ever thought they will "take advantage of" me as in getting me, for example, as a "sugar daddy" for their whole extended family of relatives, friends, etc, they were disappointed. Some have spoken of farang giving them huge amounts of cash, like 100 K baht, but I've not been that kind of guy. Likewise with those who sized me up as a potential husband, boyfriend or monthly donor.
If the lady wants to keep me as one of her regulars, then she better keep up the level of performance. Otherwise she's toast. And considering that historically I have strong butterfly tendencies, and am continually changing, evolving, she probably will be anyway, sooner or later.
Hopefully that helps to explain where some punters may be coming from. Cheers.Great post on the Art of Tipping.
Very few will accept it. Those that do will do and will reap the benefits. Of course this is not for everyone.
MarquisdeSade1
08-17-20, 17:31
Asian girls want white penis? Asians prefer Asians, not white men. No different than white preferring white, blacks preferring blacks, Latina preferring Latina. Now if money is involved that's different.Whether you accept it or not.
IE, the sky is still blue even if you deny it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/kellie-chauvin-history-asian-women-being-told-whom-they-should-n1231600
You seem to mix things up a bit, the times when this doesn't apply is when those that overpay come along and bribe them to go with them LOL.
Why do you think they do it? 3-3-3.
MarquisdeSade1
08-17-20, 17:39
Freddie with big bank account overpays in Thailand. Returns home happy with empty balls. Girls who he overpaid tell other girls and soon all girls now want more money. Cheapie Charlies can no longer monger. Less competition for girls for Freddie when Freddie returns?They are deliberately trying to destroy the whole market and hobby for their own selfish purposes? No fucking way.
Yes, tip away, but I don't think the OP was talking about tipping, he was talking about paying over market price.Yes, indeed, he was. You are correct. And what I see as common between tipping and paying over market price is that both are paying over market price. So really, what's the difference? Should not both be considered, according to some, as "spoiling the market"? Do you also object to tipping because you think it may, or has already, led to a rate increase?
Then there is the question of when is one "paying over market price"? For example, in the NEP area at one time not many years ago you could find street ladies of varying looks from below average to average to above average all requesting the same price of 1000 baht. That includes former NEP hot girls who would have IMO been superstars working inside NEP. If a guy says 2000 baht to her after she asks 1000 baht, do you seriously think that is "paying over market price" or that there is no chance you will get better service as a result? Or a better chance to hook her as a regular or she will not be happier than otherwise in your room?
There are many poor people in LOS, if you're trying to help the poor you hit the wrong demographic. Girls that are getting around 3000 for an hour's work don't really fit into this demographic that you're looking to help out of the kindness of your heart.I usually have targeted those who typically ask about 1000 baht. My thinking on this is they are poor relative to sex workers in my home country. Also relative to first world escorts, those in the Land of Smiles are more likely to be engaged in this line of employment to help more people, such as poor family members, relatives, friends, etc. Often these are those living in poor villages.
OTOH, if you can believe what I read somewhere the other day, one could go to a place like Bangladesh, even poorer, & help "pay for play" females who may only ask three dollars for their services. I'll call that an "inside tip" for "cheap charlies" everywhere;.
And here is the line that gives it all away and proves a lot of mongers here are correct when they talk about spoiling the market and raising rates if there is enough of this logic going around. Please bear with me on this one. I live in a country where people get by with 300 USD a month. It's not a great living but we get by. Being that's the case, girls are happy to accept 20 USD per session, they'll accept less but are happy with it because they make that 300 USD in a week rather that in a month.
Along comes Freddie who pays 200 USD per session in his home country. Gives a model girl 50 USD for her service based on his logic that its way more costly where he comes from. Word gets around that Freddie's can pay that much, girls start asking for 50 from the many Freddie's coming into town. Model girls no longer happy that they're getting paid the same rate as regular sue, so they start asking Freddie's for 80 USD and get it because Freddie just paid 50 for Sue. And the wheel keeps spinning.No doubt paying over market rates occurs by a percentage of customers. And this has affected the thinking of certain Thai ladies. Though how much it has raised prices has not, to my knowledge, been scientifically studied. Would you care to guess how much it has raised prices, if anything at all? And if so, what evidence leads you to your conclusion.
Over payment is not merely a uniquely Thailand phenomenon, but there are johns doing this everywhere. In Canada over years rates have been rising like crazy. Possibly due to factors such as inflation, the influx of rich Chinese, economic prosperity or whatever.
With the coronavirus situation, however, we may be seeing things change for the better for those still able to afford this hobby. Fewer clients & more workers. Supply & demand. And, for some, Bangladesh still awaits them as a, so to speak, unexplored or "virgin" territory. Go forth and conquer! And, as a bank commercial said, "save your money"!
If she is reluctant to BBFS to begin with, better not pressure / entice her to do it with more money. This is the opposite of being kind hearted. Find another that is ok with it. This has been discussed extensively in ETs posts, kindly read.Maybe she is reluctant for no reason other than she expects more money. If she says no, then you can leave it at that. No means no. Except, of course, when it means "2000 not enough, 3000", LOL. It may also mean "I have HIV" or "I don't want to get pregnant" or "I have a boyfriend", etc.
It's clear that you have been identified as a mark and targeted on more that one occasion, never have the more sensible mongers heard girls speaking about getting 100 k from other mongers because the girls have not marked them.As long as she doesn't "mark" me as a tomcat does, I'm good with her thinking whatever she likes and me not knowing it. As they say, "ignorance is bliss"! Be well, live long and fuck!
They are deliberately trying to destroy the whole market and hobby for their own selfish purposes? No fucking way.I am not an economist so those knowledgeable on the subject may correct me. No doubt there are many capitalists who are mongers, highly likely the vast majority; so like a true capitalist Freddie may want to corner the market. Fucking way.
MarquisdeSade1
08-18-20, 00:10
I am not an economist so those knowledgeable on the subject may correct me. No doubt there are many capitalists who are mongers, highly likely the vast majority; so like a true capitalist Freddie may want to corner the market. Fucking way.In favor of a few destroying the market / hobby for the greater good?
In USA there are anti monopolistic laws because this is never good for the market, why do you think that is?
Do you want to rationalize the pathetic methods some mongers use to damage the market for all, is that what your objective is?
Then call it "winning" or "ballin."
I am not an economist so those knowledgeable on the subject may correct me. No doubt there are many capitalists who are mongers, highly likely the vast majority; so like a true capitalist Freddie may want to corner the market. Fucking way.Hello dear friends,
What is the latest to get into Thailand I miss BKK: is the flights and visa open.
Apologies but I am not so well versed maybe some of you on the ground have latest and correct information.
GettingFedUp
08-18-20, 14:18
Hello dear friends,
What is the latest to get into Thailand I miss BKK: is the flights and visa open.
Apologies but I am not so well versed maybe some of you on the ground have latest and correct information.Alex,
To all intents and purposes the borders are closed inbound. There is no appetite from either the government or most of the population (operators and staff of tourism related businesses aside) to reopen them any time soon. Any relaxation will involve 14 days quarantine at a cost of 30,000 baht and upwards depending upon the facility chosen. That's 2 weeks isolation in a hotel room at your own expense with meals left outside the cell door by hazmat suited staff and similarly attired security ensuring that your only interaction with anyone is by Line chat etc. They don't do self-isolation or stay at home notices here.
A friend who waited months to return to his home and wife in Thailand (spouses are one of the few categories of foreigner allowed in) tells me that any breach, even chatting with your neighbour in the corridor when picking up your meal, is an extra 14 days quarantine (for which you must pay) and a fine under the emergency decree which theoretically means up to 100,000 baht.
The Ministry of Tourism and Sport have today again put out some hot air about travel schemes from 1 October but every previous such proposal like travel bubbles, covid corridors, island isolation has been quickly and firmly stamped on by the medics and PM who make up the CCSA. Most likely the minister is just going through the motions so he can tell the tourism industry he's trying.
AssLover945
08-18-20, 14:31
Awesome reply.
You echo my thoughts on some punters coming and spoiling the market.
AL.
Yes, tip away, but I don't think the OP was talking about tipping, he was talking about paying over market price.
There are many poor people in LOS, if you're trying to help the poor you hit the wrong demographic. Girls that are getting around 3000 for an hour's work don't really fit into this demographic that you're looking to help out of the kindness of your heart.
And here is the line that gives it all away and proves a lot of mongers here are correct when they talk about spoiling the market and raising rates if there is enough of this logic going around. Please bear with me on this one. I live in a country where people get by with 300 USD a month. It's not a great living but we get by. Being that's the case, girls are happy to accept 20 USD per session, they'll accept less but are happy with it because they make that 300 USD in a week rather that in a month.
Along comes Freddie who pays 200 USD per session in his home country. Gives a model girl 50 USD for her service based on his logic that its way more costly where he comes from. Word gets around that Freddie's can pay that much, girls start asking for 50 from the many Freddie's coming into town. Model girls no longer happy that they're getting paid the same rate as regular sue, so they start asking Freddie's for 80 USD and get it because Freddie just paid 50 for Sue. And the wheel keeps spinning.
If she is reluctant to BBFS to begin with, better not pressure / entice her to do it with more money. This is the opposite of being kind hearted. Find another that is ok with it. This has been discussed extensively in ETs posts, kindly read.
It's clear that you have been identified as a mark and targeted on more that one occasion, never have the more sensible mongers heard girls speaking about getting 100 k from other mongers because the girls have not marked them.
It's not the lady keeping you as a regular, it's you keeping her as a regular.
Thanks, it does.
In favor of a few destroying the market / hobby for the greater good?
In USA there are anti monopolistic laws because this is never good for the market, why do you think that is?
Do you want to rationalize the pathetic methods some mongers use to damage the market for all, is that what your objective is?
Then call it "winning" or "ballin."Sadly there are many of our brethren who don't consider there are others after them. If the scene or "market" is ruined, eventually it's ruined for all of us.
Covid has brought a refreshing return to the old days with prices down and performance up. I'd wager just about any Go-Go gal can be had for 1500. It is the gals competing for us. And that's the way it should be. For those of you who have been here less than a decade, this is what it was like.
Sadly as soon as the hordes return from East Asia, Singapore, and HK, it'll be back to high prices and gals doing far less than they are now.
Enjoy it while it lasts.
Sadly there are many of our brethren who don't consider there are others after them. If the scene or "market" is ruined, eventually it's ruined for all of us............I guarantee that you will not find one monger with lots of disposable income who will consider that there are others after him. In a capitalist world money rules and its each man for himself.
I guarantee that you will not find one monger with lots of disposable income who will consider that there are others after him. In a capitalist world money rules and its each man for himself.Some people are as you describe. But I believe well to do mongers care about value and few mongers want to be taken advantage of. I will splurge and possibly overpay for someone special at most once per trip. But that is my limit.
MarquisdeSade1
08-18-20, 20:03
I guarantee that you will not find one monger with lots of disposable income who will consider that there are others after him. In a capitalist world money rules and its each man for himself.Each man for himself, then why are you on this forum? Parasitic much?
Each man for himself= assholes.
..........Each man for himself= assholes.Are you saying that all capitalists are assholes?
Are you saying that all capitalists are assholes?So says all Democrats, Leftists, Black Lives Matter, and ANTIFA! Capitalism is the bane of mankind. Socialism rules! Communism needs a second chance! All white Americans are racists! The Chinese Communist Party operatives are having a field day of smearing everything and everyone, because when smoke clears the PRC will rule the world!
So says all Democrats, Leftists, Black Lives Matter, and ANTIFA! Capitalism is the bane of mankind. Socialism rules! Communism needs a second chance! All white Americans are racists! The Chinese Communist Party operatives are having a field day of smearing everything and everyone, because when smoke clears the PRC will rule the world!The Democrats, BLM and Antifa are all capitalist. China is a capitalist country, it has 389 billionaires and God knows how many millionaires, second only to the US. Look at the videos most of the BLM protesters all over the US are white. I tell you this whole world is topsy turvy.
I guarantee that you will not find one monger with lots of disposable income who will consider that there are others after him. In a capitalist world money rules and its each man for himself.That's not really the case. Capitalism is failing because the modern corporate version has forgotten that cooperation is a cornerstone of any economic system that wishes to be sustainable. Capitalism is in it's end stages. Just like mercantilism before and feudalism before that it will be replaced by another system. What will that system be? I'm not sure we know at this point. But if we want to continue on this planet as a species it will have to take into account more cooperative systems and systems that are less exploitive and are less harsh on the environment. And just like late stage capitalism has led to the stripping of the planet's resources, and the degradation of the environment, and overpopulation by fostering a me me me attitude, it has also had a profound impact on our hobby.
MarquisdeSade1
08-19-20, 00:47
a me me me attitude, it has also had a profound impact on our hobby.I was shocked at the behavior of mongers during my first visit to FKK, there were Asians that were trying to "hoard" the hookers like they were gold bars.
So I asked my best friend that is Korean why they cannot share, they are hookers after all, you know "you go, I go, he goes".
They are hookers not your girlfriend.
I guess some people that are really "thirsty" don't understand that.
Banana Boi
08-19-20, 00:58
Thank you guys for all the political knowledge I'm gaining on this supposed SEX board. Your highly qualified expertise has convinced me that your political viewpoints are the correct ones! It will help me when I vote for Taylor Swift as the next President. Is Tina Fey running for President again? Hated when she lost last time.
I'm a huge fan of Ovechkin who plays for the Washington Capitalists!
Welcome to IPG guys!
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Covid has brought a refreshing return to the old days with prices down and performance up. I'd wager just about any Go-Go gal can be had for 1500. It is the gals competing for us. And that's the way it should be. For those of you who have been here less than a decade, this is what it was like.
Sadly as soon as the hordes return from East Asia, Singapore, and HK, it'll be back to high prices and gals doing far less than they are now.
Enjoy it while it lasts.Can't say I am finding that to be true about go-go girls above a minimally doable 7 that I have encountered yet. And I hit a few go-go bars to buy LDs and interview girls 3-4 times per week now.
I'm not interviewing less attractive ones than that so I can't say what they are offering for less these days. But when I interview the ones that are clearly the better looking ones without much mental gymnastics and debate about it, the vast majority are not agreeing to one iota more than the dismal basic standard fare they would have agreed to for the most free spending, low demand Capitalist they jumped on during normal times.
That is from Playskool and Cactus Bar to Billboard and Baccara and several in between. Wish I could say otherwise. But it is not there yet for me.
Will they go along with 1,500 baht for that same dismal minimum level of service instead of 2,000 - 2,500 baht? I get a sense they probably would if I worked it longer, bought a couple more LDs. But I have so little interest in working longer for nothing special regardless of the discount I just move on to another bar. And neither the girls nor the mamasans seem the least bit interested in stopping me to find out why and if there is something they can do to change my mind.
This is aside from the couple of mamasans I know who will go the extra millimeter to bring me a suitable girl to justify my spending anything on them. And I can get new suitable ones without their help, of course. But not at any higher rate of success or for notably less baht than during normal times.
Same with better looking beer bar girls, FLs on the street, in Thermae, etc.
As always, YMMV.
Can't say I am finding that to be true about go-go girls above a minimally doable 7 that I have encountered yet. And I hit a few go-go bars to buy LDs and interview girls 3-4 times per week now.
I'm not interviewing less attractive ones than that so I can't say what they are offering for less these days. But when I interview the ones that are clearly the better looking ones without much mental gymnastics and debate about it, the vast majority are not agreeing to one iota more than the dismal basic standard fare they would have agreed to for the most free spending, low demand Capitalist they jumped on during normal times.
That is from Playskool and Cactus Bar to Billboard and Baccara and several in between. Wish I could say otherwise. But it is not there yet for me.
Will they go along with 1,500 baht for that same dismal minimum level of service instead of 2,000 - 2,500 baht? I get a sense they probably would if I worked it longer, bought a couple more LDs. But I have so little interest in working longer for nothing special regardless of the discount I just move on to another bar. And neither the girls nor the mamasans seem the least bit interested in stopping me to find out why and if there is something they can do to change my mind.
This is aside from the couple of mamasans I know who will go the extra millimeter to bring me a suitable girl to justify my spending anything on them. And I can get new suitable ones without their help, of course. But not at any higher rate of success or for notably less baht than during normal times.
Same with better looking beer bar girls, FLs on the street, in Thermae, etc.
As always, YMMV.Of course with your particular requirements, I am not surprised that you are finding things not so different. But for those of us that don't require BBFS + CIP, then the hunting is a bit better just due to the fact there are not so many dudes around.
Franciscass
08-19-20, 04:38
Sadly there are many of our brethren who don't consider there are others after them. If the scene or "market" is ruined, eventually it's ruined for all of us.
Covid has brought a refreshing return to the old days with prices down and performance up. I'd wager just about any Go-Go gal can be had for 1500. It is the gals competing for us. And that's the way it should be. For those of you who have been here less than a decade, this is what it was like.
Sadly as soon as the hordes return from East Asia, Singapore, and HK, it'll be back to high prices and gals doing far less than they are now.
Enjoy it while it lasts.Nice to see Goatscrot that your nostalgia for the good ole days is at last a little closer to being realized. I've commented before on what for me at least is the amazing new reality of a visit to a go go bar. Little or no competition which means almost all girls are available without hesitation. I wasn't a go go fan before, the hustle, too crowded, lady drinks, bar fines. Feeling if there were young Asians sitting beside me I would have to settle for less than the top talent. It's still not the cheapest shag in town, lady drinks and bar fines are still as far as I can make out as they were but I now pay no more than 2000 for the girls time. As to service again not having a lot of experience with go go girls, nor having special needs, I cannot tell if there is a difference in their enthusiasm to give you a good time but mostly I have been happy. I sympathize with our members who are unable to be here even more so knowing when finally they are allowed back in it will be most likely be back to business as usual and the good ole days will again become nostalgia.
Of course with your particular requirements, I am not surprised that you are finding things not so different. But for those of us that don't require BBFS + CIP, then the hunting is a bit better just due to the fact there are not so many dudes around.Granted. And that would explain the "prices down" part of it.
But for any and all punters who were already getting plenty of Covered FS as it was routinely provided by all girls during normal times at then current rates, what would you say is the "performance up" part being agreed to more freely by the better lookers these days?
I mean, that required a Pandemic of epic proportions and near catestrophic worldwide economic disaster to the level of something like 1 customer for every 100+ girls for them to finally start agreeing to provide?
Granted. And that would explain the "prices down" part of it.
But for any and all punters who were already getting plenty of Covered FS as it was routinely provided by all girls during normal times at then current rates, what would you say is the "performance up" part being agreed to more freely by the better lookers these days?
I mean, that required a Pandemic of epic proportions and near catestrophic worldwide economic disaster to the level of something like 1 customer for every 100+ girls for them to finally start agreeing to provide?I have a few friends who have started frequenting GoGos again after many years. Gals are willing to grab your unit, provide some hardcore fondling, and even heard of some hummers being given in bars where gals were not really allowing touching. And yes, these gals are going for less than they were pre-Covid. And some of the better lookers as well. This is what it was like 20 years ago folks.
Buddy in Pattaya, who has your BBFS requirement minus the CIP, was paying 1. 5-2 k for his gals off Thai Friendly (many of whom are quite good looking) and now he starts at an offer of 800 and usually pays no more than 1 k.
Yep, what it has taken is the tourists (namely Asians) to be gone. And most of the punters left here are Western guys. We're more demanding and aren't willing to pay exorbitant prices for service that is less than we received years ago. We demand good attitudes, looks and good service. We want GFEs and PSEs from every session. And if the gals want to make money, that is what they have to provide.
But, this will be the end of the line. When tourism returns to normal and the Asian dudes return, the gals will go right back to getting 3 k or so for providing very little and we will really be pariahs then.
Franciscass
08-19-20, 10:19
Can't say I am finding that to be true about go-go girls above a minimally doable 7 that I have encountered yet. And I hit a few go-go bars to buy LDs and interview girls 3-4 times per week now.
I'm not interviewing less attractive ones than that so I can't say what they are offering for less these days. But when I interview the ones that are clearly the better looking ones without much mental gymnastics and debate about it, the vast majority are not agreeing to one iota more than the dismal basic standard fare they would have agreed to for the most free spending, low demand Capitalist they jumped on during normal times.
That is from Playskool and Cactus Bar to Billboard and Baccara and several in between. Wish I could say otherwise. But it is not there yet for me.
Will they go along with 1,500 baht for that same dismal minimum level of service instead of 2,000 - 2,500 baht? I get a sense they probably would if I worked it longer, bought a couple more LDs. But I have so little interest in working longer for nothing special regardless of the discount I just move on to another bar. And neither the girls nor the mamasans seem the least bit interested in stopping me to find out why and if there is something they can do to change my mind. .ET I get your BBFS plus CIP requirement to enjoy sex, I do but are you suggesting that girls who don't do BBFS because they don't want to risk their health only provide what you describe as a "dismal minimum level of service" and "dismal basic standard fare".
Sure if sex is no more than sticking your dick into that orifice between her legs and pounding away till you cum then maybe but for me and if I may be presumptuous for others as well there is a lot more going on.
Obviously it's not the same for all but personally as part of a session I enjoy starting with a sensual massage then exploring her body. When we get going I like rimming, cat licking, BBBJ, DATY, 69, like some role playing (use your imagination) and the use of toys, a little spanking giving and receiving, sometimes not always but when its OK with the girl doing anal or finishing with a hand job on her face or if she looks like she wants me to in her mouth, during all of this some dirty talking particularly at the right time. The main event, my covered dick in her pussy exploring which action she prefers, hands under her ass, feet up or around my body body, hard soft, quick slow, stay in and move, almost out and back in, fully out and back in and doing all of these in a variety of positions, doggy being one my favorites.
Yes if its BB its better but the diminution of tactile sensation is not such that it's ah fuck this for a game of soldiers I can't feel anything situation. Also the quality of condoms nowadays is pretty good and helps a lot but mostly it's the peace of mind that I'm not pissing razor blades a week later or taking meds for the rest of my life.
I've learned over the years the most important sex organ is the brain which brings me to that most desirable of happenings, chemistry. If the girl likes me, if she has the imagination, the skill set, the energy and most importantly the desire to make me happy wearing a condom does not mean the sex is basic or dismal, far far from it.
The Invisible Man.
CzarNicholas
08-19-20, 15:33
ET I get your BBFS plus CIP requirement to enjoy sex, I do but are you suggesting that girls who don't do BBFS because they don't want to risk their health only provide what you describe as a "dismal minimum level of service" and "dismal basic standard fare".
Sure if sex is no more than sticking your dick into that orifice between her legs and pounding away till you cum then maybe but for me and if I may be presumptuous for others as well there is a lot more going on.
Obviously it's not the same for all but personally as part of a session I enjoy starting with a sensual massage then exploring her body. When we get going I like rimming, cat licking, BBBJ, DATY, 69, like some role playing (use your imagination) and the use of toys, a little spanking giving and receiving, sometimes not always but when its OK with the girl doing anal or finishing with a hand job on her face or if she looks like she wants me to in her mouth, during all of this some dirty talking particularly at the right time. The main event, my covered dick in her pussy exploring which action she prefers, hands under her ass, feet up or around my body body, hard soft, quick slow, stay in and move, almost out and back in, fully out and back in and doing all of these in a variety of positions, doggy being one my favorites.
Yes if its BB its better but the diminution of tactile sensation is not such that it's ah fuck this for a game of soldiers I can't feel anything situation. Also the quality of condoms nowadays is pretty good and helps a lot but mostly it's the peace of mind that I'm not pissing razor blades a week later or taking meds for the rest of my life.
I've learned over the years the most important sex organ is the brain which brings me to that most desirable of happenings, chemistry. If the girl likes me, if she has the imagination, the skill set, the energy and most importantly the desire to make me happy wearing a condom does not mean the sex is basic or dismal, far far from it.
The Invisible Man.Sounds like.
Your describing eating some nice birthday cake with all the frostings and candles etc.
But its just a shell, no cake inside, just a sad prank.
HorseTrader
08-19-20, 18:58
Yes if its BB its better but the diminution of tactile sensation is not such that it's ah fuck this for a game of soldiers I can't feel anything situation. Also the quality of condoms nowadays is pretty good and helps a lot but mostly it's the peace of mind that I'm not pissing razor blades a week later or taking meds for the rest of my life.I can relate to everything that ET writes, we are both older than most posters. I still stay covered for the first session of the day, but the second session is always difficult while covered (and sometimes impossible). I only spend 30 to 60 days per year in Thailand and I try to make the most of every day.
The situation of "I can't feel anything" seems to be age related. When I was 45 I needed a cover to lessen the sensation to keep me from popping on about the 3rd stroke. Now, with those same covers I can't maintain erection for even the first pop. The Trojan Magnum Bareskin with additional silicone lube on the inside is OK for my first pop, but often I can't perform twice a day like that.
If BBFS CIP were just a matter of an extra 1000 baht, I'd pay it every time. I've had a vasectomy so my real concern is diseases.
Crocodilexp
08-19-20, 19:44
Now, with those same covers I can't maintain erection for even the first pop. The Trojan Magnum Bareskin with additional silicone lube on the inside is OK for my first pop, but often I can't perform twice a day like that.Sildenafil Citrate works perfectly for maintaining erection, and it costs as low as 50-100 baht / dose depending on how much you need. For me, half a 50 MG pill works just fine. Far easier, cheaper, safer, and less anti-social than trying to convince an unwilling or reluctant working girl to go bareback.
Decent looking girls are so few and far between these days I couldn't imagine intentionally narrowing my playing field to 20%-30% or so of those available (and that's on the uglier / older side, not randomly picked).
ET I get your BBFS plus CIP requirement to enjoy sex, I do but are you suggesting that girls who don't do BBFS because they don't want to risk their health only provide what you describe as a "dismal minimum level of service" and "dismal basic standard fare".
Sure if sex is no more than sticking your dick into that orifice between her legs and pounding away till you cum then maybe but for me and if I may be presumptuous for others as well there is a lot more going on.
Obviously it's not the same for all but personally as part of a session I enjoy starting with a sensual massage then exploring her body. When we get going I like rimming, cat licking, BBBJ, DATY, 69, like some role playing (use your imagination) and the use of toys, a little spanking giving and receiving, sometimes not always but when its OK with the girl doing anal or finishing with a hand job on her face or if she looks like she wants me to in her mouth, during all of this some dirty talking particularly at the right time. The main event, my covered dick in her pussy exploring which action she prefers, hands under her ass, feet up or around my body body, hard soft, quick slow, stay in and move, almost out and back in, fully out and back in and doing all of these in a variety of positions, doggy being one my favorites.
Yes if its BB its better but the diminution of tactile sensation is not such that it's ah fuck this for a game of soldiers I can't feel anything situation. Also the quality of condoms nowadays is pretty good and helps a lot but mostly it's the peace of mind that I'm not pissing razor blades a week later or taking meds for the rest of my life.
I've learned over the years the most important sex organ is the brain which brings me to that most desirable of happenings, chemistry. If the girl likes me, if she has the imagination, the skill set, the energy and most importantly the desire to make me happy wearing a condom does not mean the sex is basic or dismal, far far from it.
The Invisible Man.Back to the point of my post you quoted, Franciscass, are you then saying the "performance up" you have noticed during these dire economic times is that the better looking go-go girls are now submitting to the rimming you require, going along with the toy play, the mutual spanking and so on much more readily and will perhaps even submit to these unusual requests of yours at deep discount rates more often now than they did during normal times when they had more alternative customer options and more money in their purse?
I can relate to everything that ET writes, we are both older than most posters. I still stay covered for the first session of the day, but the second session is always difficult while covered (and sometimes impossible). I only spend 30 to 60 days per year in Thailand and I try to make the most of every day.
The situation of "I can't feel anything" seems to be age related. When I was 45 I needed a cover to lessen the sensation to keep me from popping on about the 3rd stroke. Now, with those same covers I can't maintain erection for even the first pop. The Trojan Magnum Bareskin with additional silicone lube on the inside is OK for my first pop, but often I can't perform twice a day like that.
If BBFS CIP were just a matter of an extra 1000 baht, I'd pay it every time. I've had a vasectomy so my real concern is diseases.My deal killer lack of sensation problem with condoms started from the moment I first put one on for sex at age 19. And I have never had a premature ejaculation factor to deal with where wearing a condom could actually be an aid to prevent it.
Since then, 48 years later, it has not been all that difficult to find many, many willing partners for bareback CIP sex, both paid and unpaid. Based on my historical record and also leading right up to my most recent routine tests about 10 days ago, there has been no incidence or evidence of long term (or even meaningful short term) health issues for me or any of my partners from it.
But that is me. If I'd had problems along the way as others have mentioned I probably would have found one special GF, married her and remained monogamous all these years.
The vasectomy has contributed greatly to reducing long term health and financial risk from going bareback for me and my partners.
I would say if a girl, hooker or not, just maintained an ongoing birth control regime (I like the tiny time release pellet arm implants many girls opt for) and demanded to see a recent negative/normal HIV and STD test result document before agreeing to engage in BBFS+CIP with any man they would reduce the risk of long or short term health issues to near zero at an extremely low cost to them. I do recommend those 2 safety measures to many of my partners.
Franciscass
08-20-20, 04:25
Back to the point of my post you quoted, Franciscass, are you then saying the "performance up" you have noticed during these dire economic times is that the better looking go-go girls are now submitting to the rimming you require, going along with the toy play, the mutual spanking and so on much more readily and will perhaps even submit to these unusual requests of yours at deep discount rates more often now than they did during normal times when they had more alternative customer options and more money in their purse?Short answer, yes.
I am not saying the axis of the earth's orbit has recently shifted or that every session I have now involves toys light spanking rimming and so on, that's the holy grail, but I have noticed firstly a definite sense of appreciation that I choose her to give my money to and secondly a more enthusiastic attitude in ensuring I have a good time and if it involves something they don't have a fundamental issue with it's now more likely to be OK.
Also ET just to clarify I don't require rimming etc to go with a girl. I'm fortunate in that I can enjoy a session without the trimmings if she is fun to be with and she genuinely tries to give me a good time and leave me happy even when her skill set is somewhat limited.
Franciscass
08-20-20, 05:08
Sounds like.
Your describing eating some nice birthday cake with all the frostings and candles etc.
But its just a shell, no cake inside, just a sad prank.Now that's so cruel, a hollow birthday cake and to make matters worse I never liked frosting even as a kid. More to the point Czar I'm not sure it works on any level as an analogy on what's being discussed here. Is it possible to have another stab at it with maybe a little more creativity this time? For inspiration and in deference to your Russian handle may I suggest you read some Dostoevsky or Tolstoy.
The invisible Man.
Banana Boi
08-20-20, 07:28
Does anyone here know a place near Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy, Thermae, Soi 11, Soi 24, and Patpong where I can get cheap Durex condoms and Viagra. One shop for each item at each location would be very helpful.
How long does my boner last with Viagra? I don't really need it but if I'm forced to wear a condom and a mask I better be prepared to buy some.
I know BBFS is safe since no member here ever reports of diseases after BBFS but will I get HIV or COVID with a BBBJ or a BBHJ?
Does anyone here know a place near Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy, Thermae, Soi 11, Soi 24, and Patpong where I can get cheap Durex condoms and Viagra. One shop for each item at each location would be very helpful.
How long does my boner last with Viagra? I don't really need it but if I'm forced to wear a condom and a mask I better be prepared to buy some.
I know BBFS is safe since no member here ever reports of diseases after BBFS but will I get HIV or COVID with a BBBJ or a BBHJ?You haven't read guys on ISG saying they caught a dose of something after doing BBFS? I have read it. I have even read reports from guys who claim to always or almost always wear a condom for sex getting a dose of something. And an unplanned baby.
You can get Covid just breathing next to a man, woman or child who is a carrier for it. Having sex with a partner or alone is not necessary.
Any pharmacy or drug store will have the condoms and Viagra you are looking for, price varies. Try the pharmacy in Foodland Soi 5, Sukhumvit Road.
Lately I have bought Sidegra, the Thai made version of Viagra, in that pharmacy. Four tablets 100mg each for 200 baht.
When I pop one of those tablets about an hour before sex, my erection lasts as long as I need it to last for at least an hour or until I ejaculate, sometimes for another 15-20 minutes after I ejaculate. And I will get another similarily responding erection several hours later if I am sexually stimulated, say the next morning, on that same dose.
However, that is the way it works for me when I am not wearing a condom. The many times I have popped boner pills and tried this or that highly recommended condom I can count on my erection lasting about 30 seconds with no possible ejaculation as far off in the distance as the mind can imagine or until the condom rots from the weather and elements and simply falls off on its own, whichever happens first.
As always, YMMV.
Oh, HIV? Avoid engaging in receptive anal sex, even when your partner is wearing a condom since the incidence of condoms breaking or coming off during anal sex is apparently relatively high. Other than that, it is extremely rare for a man to get HIV from vaginal or oral sex unless there is a rather obvious co-factor involved like you having a big open sore on your penis while fucking or getting sucked by an HIV-Positive partner.
HIV transmission from a Hand Job? Never heard of it happening. But if you are breathing heavily, struggling to get off during the HJ and the HJ provider is a carrier, you are probably at very high risk of getting Covid, even if you are wearing a mask.
Btw, the heavy breathing and struggling to get off issue probably greatly increases your chances of contracting or transmitting Covid whenever a condom is involved for any other kind of sex as well, mask or no mask.
Very soon I will putting the over-priced island behind me and making my way to live in BKK for the first time.
My only experience was once at Nana plaza where there was a convenient hotel located inside the plaza.
A quick question to the fellow mongers here, are there any short time hotels on Soi Cowboy? I can't take any of the girls back to my new pad as the missus wouldn't like that very much.
How are things in general in BKK girls wise? Have they put up their prices or gone down, would be good to hear an update?
Cheers.
CockaSaurus
08-20-20, 19:05
Very soon I will putting the over-priced island behind me and making my way to live in BKK for the first time.
My only experience was once at Nana plaza where there was a convenient hotel located inside the plaza.
A quick question to the fellow mongers here, are there any short time hotels on Soi Cowboy? I can't take any of the girls back to my new pad as the missus wouldn't like that very much.
How are things in general in BKK girls wise? Have they put up their prices or gone down, would be good to hear an update?
Cheers.There is a ST hotel on the Asoke side to the left of SC. I'm not 100% sure but there should also be one on the other side but the girls will be able to show you.
Yes, it was the one at 99 Sukhumvit Soi 6 Road.
And they let a girl up to come see me, it was guest friendly.
And I went into the bar in the basement, it was full of very pretty freelancers. Primo talent, actually.
TL,
Are you sure it's the Grand Sukhumvit Hotel you refer to? On Suk Soi 6, coming from Soi 4 it's on the right hand side just before the Soi turns left and heads up to Sukhumvit? My surprise is because last I heard a couple of years ago this hotel was reported as joiner unfriendly (I don't recall whether it was an absolute prohibition or THB 1500 joiner fee) and was removed from the various guest / joiner friendly hotel sites. Their main market became tour groups by the busload and it seems unlikely to me that a "family friendly" hotel would be allowing freelancers into the bar / nightclub.
Very soon I will putting the over-priced island behind me and making my way to live in BKK for the first time.
My only experience was once at Nana plaza where there was a convenient hotel located inside the plaza.
A quick question to the fellow mongers here, are there any short time hotels on Soi Cowboy? I can't take any of the girls back to my new pad as the missus wouldn't like that very much.
How are things in general in BKK girls wise? Have they put up their prices or gone down, would be good to hear an update?
Cheers.As you get into Asoke road from Soi Cowboy turn right and in less than 10 meters you should see one. Asoke21 I believe it is the name. You need to go up the escalator to the second floor to get in. If you make it to the 7 eleven you have gone too far. I am not sure about current pricing, I believe it used to be 300 THB /2 hours.
Does anyone here know a place near Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy, Thermae, Soi 11, Soi 24, and Patpong where I can get cheap Durex condoms and Viagra. One shop for each item at each location would be very helpful.
How long does my boner last with Viagra? I don't really need it but if I'm forced to wear a condom and a mask I better be prepared to buy some.
I know BBFS is safe since no member here ever reports of diseases after BBFS but will I get HIV or COVID with a BBBJ or a BBHJ?From what I read here, you have no self esteem if you don't BBFS CIP+CIA girls who've been doing 3 to 5 customers a day for the past 10 years.
Only people who get sick are people who wear condoms or get HJs. HJ is the first way of getting a girl pregnant (less likely lately though as they wash their hands more often because of covid).
MarquisdeSade1
08-21-20, 15:28
From what I read here, you have no self esteem if you don't BBFS .Any monger is better off staying home and watching porn for free, you will have more fun, I promise.
LivingFossil
08-21-20, 17:07
BBFS with pros? So much long term risk for short term cum, LOL. When I was in Bangkok my friend only had sex with three girls but with the last one the condom broke. He got Gonorrhea and gave to his girlfriend, it sucked for him.
I take showers after every session and only pay girls for sex only if they shower in front of me. This is not only good for me but I'm protecting the girls and why'all from catching anything. What I love about Australian brothels is very session starts with a shower and mouthwash. Please tell me when the rest of the world will catch up?
Mongering has some risks we all accept that. I don't even BB tinder sluts in the USA. Well to each his own!
CockaSaurus
08-21-20, 19:48
Any monger is better off staying home and watching porn for free, you will have more fun, I promise.Doesn't that mean the person is no longer a monger?
Plus that's too much work, my arms will get tired.
Any monger is better off staying home and watching porn for free, you will have more fun, I promise.Yeah but noooo. I'd rather have my dick in some WAP before I hunker down to slap my salami. Thats not mongering, dude.
.......... This is not only good for me but I'm protecting the girls and y'all from catching anything...........This is called looking out for your fellow monger; better than the longest report on ISG.
MarquisdeSade1
08-22-20, 01:14
This is called looking out for your fellow monger; better than the longest report on ISG.LMAO come on guys its altruistic.
This is called looking out for your fellow monger; better than the longest report on ISG.I think age plays a role here as well. As we get older it's much easier to say, f7 ck it, I don't have a lot of time left and I want to enjoy it as much as I can. I would imagine that most of the dudes railing against the bare-backers are under 50. Hitting your 50's is a slap in the face, it's tough, not an easy transition, and you know that no matter how much you take care of yourself, that the road is downhill. And, for those of us who think Covid is simply a warm up for the devastation and disruption climate change will cause over the next decade, then making the most of these times is essential. So I completely understand the BBFS stance, although not a requirement for me. Might as well enjoy yourself.
MarquisdeSade1
08-22-20, 05:13
I think age plays a role here as well. As we get older it's much easier to say, f7 ck it, I don't have a lot of time left and I want to enjoy it as much as I can. I would imagine that most of the dudes railing against the bare-backers are under 50. Hitting your 50's is a slap in the face, it's tough, not an easy transition, and you know that no matter how much you take care of yourself, that the road is downhill. And, for those of us who think Covid is simply a warm up for the devastation and disruption climate change will cause over the next decade, then making the most of these times is essential. So I completely understand the BBFS stance, although not a requirement for me. Might as well enjoy yourself.I never thought I would get old, even in my 49th year I felt 20 yo.
Then I hit 50 and all of sudden I'm like WTF happened my vision is going, lots more wrinkles and grey hair, boner issues, libido issues memory issues.
You name it, I used to look in the mirror and think this is awesome I'm not aging, but one day I was thinking this can't last forever, some guys age gradually I thought its going to hit one day.
And it will probably all come at once as its been doing just that for 3 yrs, every day new aches and pains, memory is spottier LOL.
YOLO.
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!
Hunter S Thompson.
Franciscass
08-22-20, 05:59
A little understanding on BBFS.
The data and science shows there are health risks associated with BBFS. It's not fake news.
I's not against any law I am aware of to have sex without a condom so long as there is consent on both sides.
Consequently we should accept everybody's right to go BB with consenting partners unless they know they are infected in which case they should be criminally prosecuted for assault.
We need to understand some men cannot enjoy sex wearing a condom.
Each girl has the right to say no and should not be induced, enticed, bribed or in any way coerced in to having BBFS if she initially refuses to.
Girls who don't go BB should not be denigrated for being concerned about their health.
Live and let live.
HorseTrader
08-22-20, 07:19
What I love about Australian brothels is very session starts with a shower and mouthwash. Please tell me when the rest of the world will catch up?Pre-and post-sex mutual showers are standard in my hotel room and most of my other Thailand venues. There are a few times that the girl wants to shower separately, which is sometimes OK with me.
HorseTrader
08-22-20, 07:27
I think age plays a role here as well. As we get older it's much easier to say, f7 ck it, I don't have a lot of time left and I want to enjoy it as much as I can. I would imagine that most of the dudes railing against the bare-backers are under 50. Hitting your 50's is a slap in the face, it's tough...It hit me on my 60th birthday. I was in a nice Tijuana hotel with a sexy girl and couldn't finish because of the condom. Not a great birthday present. Since that time I've made sure that I get thin condoms and try for lube inside the condom, this helps but isn't perfect.
It hit me on my 60th birthday. I was in a nice Tijuana hotel with a sexy girl and couldn't finish because of the condom. Not a great birthday present. Since that time I've made sure that I get thin condoms and try for lube inside the condom, this helps but isn't perfect.I'm also in my sixties and yesterday I was banging this very young hooker at my place. I was using my Trojan magnum bareskin but just could not come try as hard as I may in various positions. At one point I really just wanted to pull out the condom and bang away but knew she would not allow that. When you are in the throes of coitus its hard to think about safety. My experience with lube on the inside is that the condom tends to slip out easily. I'm not as lucky as some guys on this board and getting an STD would cause me to miss out on a few sessions as it messes up my mind and nether regions for a few days.
HorseTrader
08-22-20, 16:34
...My experience with lube on the inside is that the condom tends to slip out easily.Yep. It's not perfect, but getting the condom all the way rolled out to the base helps. Getting a little soft makes the problem worse, so I'm constantly checking. If I'm going to go BB, I want both of us to be fully aware before it starts.
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