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ProbzProbz
08-22-20, 18:06
BBFS with pros? So much long term risk for short term cum, LOL. When I was in Bangkok my friend only had sex with three girls but with the last one the condom broke. He got Gonorrhea and gave to his girlfriend, it sucked for him.
I take showers after every session and only pay girls for sex only if they shower in front of me. This is not only good for me but I'm protecting the girls and why'all from catching anything. What I love about Australian brothels is very session starts with a shower and mouthwash. Please tell me when the rest of the world will catch up?
Mongering has some risks we all accept that. I don't even BB tinder sluts in the USA. Well to each his own!For that reason. I always see Asians and escorts that shower together in Canada. They are little expensive compared to the regular Indies but always safe way to Monger.
Yep. It's not perfect, but getting the condom all the way rolled out to the base helps. Getting a little soft makes the problem worse, so I'm constantly checking. If I'm going to go BB, I want both of us to be fully aware before it starts.It just occurred to me while reading your post that perhaps I'm applying too much lube. Next time I'll apply some lube only to the head and immediate surroundings and leave the majority of the penis dry and see if the condom will stay on better.
HorseTrader
08-23-20, 18:08
It just occurred to me while reading your post that perhaps I'm applying too much lube. Next time I'll apply some lube only to the head and immediate surroundings and leave the majority of the penis dry and see if the condom will stay on better.Good thought, I'll try the same. The most difficulty I had was at Doki Doki when the lube was everywhere. Felt great, but had to keep adjusting the condom.
My expat friend who lives there just corrected me. I stayed in the Grand Hyatt Erawan and the bar in the basement with all the pretty girls was Spasso.
Here is a promo shot of some of the girls who tend to work there regularly.
TL,
Are you sure it's the Grand Sukhumvit Hotel you refer to? On Suk Soi 6, coming from Soi 4 it's on the right hand side just before the Soi turns left and heads up to Sukhumvit? My surprise is because last I heard a couple of years ago this hotel was reported as joiner unfriendly (I don't recall whether it was an absolute prohibition or THB 1500 joiner fee) and was removed from the various guest / joiner friendly hotel sites. Their main market became tour groups by the busload and it seems unlikely to me that a "family friendly" hotel would be allowing freelancers into the bar / nightclub.
My expat friend just corrected me. I was staying at the Grand Hyatt Erawan, and the bar in the basement with VERY pretty girls was called Spasso.
Here's a promo pic I found on the web showing some of the regulars who work there.
Yes, it was the one at 99 Sukhumvit Soi 6 Road.
And they let a girl up to come see me, it was guest friendly.
And I went into the bar in the basement, it was full of very pretty freelancers. Primo talent, actually.
Is it just me or are there at least 2 ladyboys in that picture?
My expat friend who lives there just corrected me. I stayed in the Grand Hyatt Erawan and the bar in the basement with all the pretty girls was Spasso.
Here is a promo shot of some of the girls who tend to work there regularly.
Somewhere15
08-24-20, 22:05
Is it just me or are there at least 2 ladyboys in that picture?I guess most of them are LB's.
I guess most of them are LB's.I doubt that. This looks like a promo shot, it's from Pinterest. The 2 foreigners were probably hotel guests. Hyatt hotels regualrily use customer relation officers, I'd say the girl in the middle in black is one of those. Maybe 2 might be LB's but not most.
Banana Boi
08-25-20, 06:41
I think age plays a role here as well. As we get older it's much easier to say, f7 ck it, I don't have a lot of time left and I want to enjoy it as much as I can.Given this line of thinking Gilolollipop must be 90 years old to match the percentage of Thai and other SE Asian girls he gets BBFS with!
Yes, when I get to be 65+ and know my productive life is ending soon anyways I'm BBFS'ing every girl in sight.
Given this line of thinking Gilolollipop must be 90 years old to match the percentage of Thai and other SE Asian girls he gets BBFS with!
Yes, when I get to be 65+ and know my productive life is ending soon anyways I'm BBFS'ing every girl in sight.Prepare to be pissed off you didn't start sooner when you were shooting 5 wads per day and falling asleep going for a sixth.
Somewhere15
08-27-20, 00:45
I guess most of them are LB's.The foreigner male is a kind of manager (and in his early years), the female in black dress is also there frequently (at least till November 2019); guess she "works" there or makes some extra money. The picture is typical made during a special event (and in the old days there where many).
Go outside to the smoking area when you are there, good occasion to meet with the girls......or lb's!
Last time I went was years ago and I was unimpressed by the lineup. Now I've just seen the latest photo shoot on Stickman and am equally unimpressed. They mostly look like hardened, tattooed hookers with their best years behind them. Stretch marks are also evident. What's the best go-go bar in Bangkok for younger girls with decent bodies these days?
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Last time I went was years ago and I was unimpressed by the lineup. Now I've just seen the latest photo shoot on Stickman and am equally unimpressed. They mostly look like hardened, tattooed hookers with their best years behind them. Stretch marks are also evident. What's the best go-go bar in Bangkok for younger girls with decent bodies these days?For younger girls with decent bodies Butterflies is probably the overall best in Nana Plaza right now if for no other reason than the number of girls that fit that criteria. Mind you, by "decent" I am not thinking super hot bodies. Maybe not even all that hot. And a decent face might or might not be included.
I agree with you about the Billboard girls featured in that article. Was the photographer particularly attracted to girls with big ugly tattoos as some men are? Or were those the only girls who agreed to be photographed or were available to be photographed that day or night? I think there was one girl in the group I would have wanted to interview.
However, if you aren't as concerned about younger girls and want better than decent bodies and probably better faces, Billboard would generally beat Butterflies on those counts. Both of those bars seem to have the most customers these days. Maybe Stickman's repeated touting of them has contributed to that. I can't say either bar is working all that great for me as a source to barfine girl's from lately. So Stickman's idea of a great Bangkok go-go bar is obviously based on different criteria than mine.
I will add that conditions can change by the addition or subtraction of just 2-3 girls in a bar from night to night if not hour to hour now more than ever. I think current economic conditions are bringing new girls into the bars and just as fast losing them due to too few customers.
Case in point, I swear a few weeks ago there were a couple of girls working in Sexy Night go-go bar of all places that were hotter than 95% of the girls in Billboard or Baccara. A week later they were gone and no trace of them in any other bar that I could tell. And I am still getting Line messages from girls asking if I will go see them tomorrow night so they will know if it is worth showing up or not, well beyond the number of days off they can take in a month. So there must be quite a bit of flexibility about when or if any girls want to show up at all if there are only going to be 4-5 customers in a bar per night.
Banana Boi
08-30-20, 07:09
Is Billboard really the best Nana has to offer?
Last time I went was years ago and I was unimpressed by the lineup. Now I've just seen the latest photo shoot on Stickman and am equally unimpressed. They mostly look like hardened, tattooed hookers with their best years behind them. Stretch marks are also evident. What's the best go-go bar in Bangkok for younger girls with decent bodies these days?Best gogo bar is never static. It can change monthly, weekly, or even daily depending on which clubs can lure the best mamasan / pimp.
However, I absolutely never understood the popularity of Billboard. Just figure those who like it have totally different taste in girls than I do on my infrequent visits. I did hear from someone I trust that talent was decent just pre-COVID.
As for photos of the girls you see on web sites. NEVER base your opinion of a gogo bar or Soi 6 bar by who you see in the photos. Same as basing your decision on which gogo bar you want to enter based on the girls standing around outside. In general, the photographers usually have poor taste in girls and most of the hot girls don't want their photos plastered on the internet. They aren't desperate for customers on the internet seeing their photos and coming in to the bar looking for them.
For younger girls with decent bodies Butterflies is probably the overall best in Nana Plaza right now if for no other reason than the number of girls that fit that criteria. Mind you, by "decent" I am not thinking super hot bodies. Maybe not even all that hot. And a decent face might or might not be included.
Thanks for the recommendation. They definitely seem to have my kind of girls judging from their Twitter page so I'll check the place out next week.
Have not posted in some time before COVID-19,job is gone now so more free time. I agree with above except 2nd paragraph. I first worked in Philippines around 10 years ago, and many countries since then. After living in US all my life when I first arrived there I did not go out, I figured what's the point Friends were like dude you got to get out as a white western guy you will be very popular. Jesus. They weren't kidding. I was confused as nothing at home I would consider as a guy over 50 would speak to me, I tried!!When trying it was like Ewwww. How old are you? In other words I couldn't get laid in a women prison with a handful of pardons.
Asia was a welcoming surprise. It seemed all of a sudden I was Tom Cruise. Needless to say my past 10 years have been very enjoyable and my plan is to retire there. The US is a great country but for women it sucks. A man over 50 unless he is a gallizonaire can basically forget about anything under 30. Looks, well I'm not fat all my hair and 6' tall, average I guess. I'm praying this is over soon so as to get out of here. Many a friend here my age alone and miserable. I've tried to get them to visit but they just don't believe me. If they only knew.What works in your favor is you apparently don't look that old. How you look is more important than your calendar age. You still have your hair, and you're not fat. And you're 6 ft? In like Flint as long as those three things keep steady as they go. (you should be able to get late 30 somethings stateside)
How many middle aged farang men do you know in Asia (and frankly almost anywhere) who aren't either bald or fat. (and I'm not talking obese, but roly poly) . Or both?
at least the weight you can control. With hair, one is completely at mercy of parental genes.
(you can pull off the bald look provided you go to gym regularly, and lift. and stay tanned. How many bald middle aged men do you know that adhere to that regime?)
Gogos are never static an which are the best ones, even in the same night. I'd say Billboard and Butterflies tend to have more young, fit girls and tend to be the "higher class" part / club gogos. Rainbow 4 has more girls with the kawaii look, and overall is generally good. Angelwitch tends to have a good overall mix of different girls and aren't barfined / overrun with chinese / japanese tourists so the hot girls may actually be there when you show up and give you attention. There's good and bad all over, and girls rotate in and out all night, so a place may rock one hour, suck the next, and so on, its always a mixed bag at every gogo, feel free to browse the selection around.
All this said. Pop into a few places until you find one you like, its not hard. Even the little places have gems.
HorseTrader
08-31-20, 21:27
... feel free to browse the selection around....This is what I've done for decades wherever there are clusters of girly bars. I just walk into one bar, survey the the situation, and sometimes move to the next bar in less than 1 minute.
I consider these bars to be girl depots. Nothing else. I neither like the the loud music nor much alcohol. Find a girl, pay the ST bar fine, and get out. Sometimes I complete this process in 30 minutes in one bar bar. Sometimes it takes all night long.
I never negotiate LT because I won't know if I like her until we've spent a couple hours together. They are usually willing to stay LT. Sometimes I have to remind them of the ST concept because they want to spend the night in my nice, comfortable hotel bed.
Can you use a Google voice number to create a Thai Friendly account?
It doesn't seem to accept my Google Voice number.
Thanks y'all.
Banana Boi
08-31-20, 23:49
With hair, one is completely at mercy of parental genes.
(you can pull off the bald look provided you go to gym regularly, and lift. and stay tanned. How many bald middle aged men do you know that adhere to that regime?)I do the comb over. Works well for me with my 97 strands of hair I comb over. P4P girls say I look young with my comb over. I believe them!
Can't agree with your sentence in brackets. Baldness is one factor girls can't overlook even if you're tall, fit, and tanned. My source is the Seinfeld episode when Elaine broke it to George that baldness is the worst thing possible for a man. Hair on your back and yellow smoker's teeth are other things that are pretty gross for girls. But of course for money all guys look good to girls.
What works in your favor is you apparently don't look that old. How you look is more important than your calendar age. You still have your hair, and you're not fat. And you're 6 ft? In like Flint as long as those three things keep steady as they go. (you should be able to get late 30 somethings stateside)
How many middle aged farang men do you know in Asia (and frankly almost anywhere) who aren't either bald or fat. (and I'm not talking obese, but roly poly) . Or both?
at least the weight you can control. With hair, one is completely at mercy of parental genes.
(you can pull off the bald look provided you go to gym regularly, and lift. and stay tanned. How many bald middle aged men do you know that adhere to that regime?)I think a punter being unattractive or attractive are each a mixed bag with regard to Thai hookers.
Many girls might want to put a feather in their cap by being seen walking away with a good looking, fit customer just to prove to all witnesses that they can get one. But that ensures nothing about how well that punter will be treated in the room and might even work against him being treated all that well. She thinks he has had a lot of sex with many girls and is therefore more likely to have HIV/STD. And that he has had sex with better looking girls than she is, which tends to inhibit and lessen the confidence a Thai girl needs to deliver the best service.
She will also conclude one crap session with her means nothing to this dude since he can get any girl he wants any time and this one session is no big deal to him. Now, multiply that attitude by most of the girls that guy finds himself in a room with and you can see it isn't the great advantage some might assume.
And I have heard many reports from my fatter, less attractive punter friends that their girls are almost always fine with going bareback with them since they have not had much sex in their lives (or so the girls mistakenly believe), they are fat and therefore "can not have HIV."
Also, notoriously overly self critical Thai girls will go all out for a punter if they suspect he could not possibly have gotten laid much in his life and certainly not by a girl as hot as she is. So she is more likely to put in the extra effort just to enjoy testing the limits of her sexual powers. She would feel silly even attempting such a thing with a man she is certain has been with more beautiful girls than she is.
Franciscass
09-01-20, 06:38
And I have heard many reports from my fatter, less attractive punter friends .You have my sympathy ET, I have the same problem, I'm also too good looking. It's a heavy load to carry but a burden we have to bear. If I hear "Hello, handsome man, where you go" one more time I swear I'll throttle one of them.
Danny Duck
09-01-20, 16:34
Rainbow 2 closed? Saw a Facebook post by a popular Rainbow Girl that indicated its over.
I do the comb over. Works well for me with my 97 strands of hair I comb over. P4P girls say I look young with my comb over. I believe them!
Can't agree with your sentence in brackets. Baldness is one factor girls can't overlook even if you're tall, fit, and tanned. My source is the Seinfeld episode when Elaine broke it to George that baldness is the worst thing possible for a man. Hair on your back and yellow smoker's teeth are other things that are pretty gross for girls. But of course for money all guys look good to girls.Yeah, I'm talking aside from the money.
Are you referring to Thai girls only where you can't pull off the bald look if muscular and tanned? I don't agree. I don't think Jason Statham has problems getting laid. Even if no one knew who he was. Bruce Willis is now quite old and he was never particularly well built.
I was originally responding to Locamotive's post. He's in the PI and sounded like he wasn't talking about "pros"". Also Pinays are Thais aren't quite the same.
I will say that if anything I've gotten better from Thai hookers as I've gotten older (strictly talking about pros) .. but I've also changed my game so to speak. and grown to understand thais a little better
And I have heard many reports from my fatter, less attractive punter friends that their girls are almost always fine with going bareback with them since they have not had much sex in their lives (or so the girls mistakenly believe), they are fat and therefore "can not have HIV."
I've been to Soi Cowboy with a really fat bloke and the girls absolutely loved him. I don't think it has anything to do with the reasons you suggest. It's more likely to be because fat men are perceived as being so rich they can eat as much as they want.
Gogos are never static an which are the best ones, even in the same night. I'd say Billboard and Butterflies tend to have more young, fit girls and tend to be the "higher class" part / club gogos. Rainbow 4 has more girls with the kawaii look, and overall is generally good. Angelwitch tends to have a good overall mix of different girls and aren't barfined / overrun with chinese / japanese tourists so the hot girls may actually be there when you show up and give you attention. There's good and bad all over, and girls rotate in and out all night, so a place may rock one hour, suck the next, and so on, its always a mixed bag at every gogo, feel free to browse the selection around.
All this said. Pop into a few places until you find one you like, its not hard. Even the little places have gems.I used to like doing that but grew to really dislike go-go bars so just stopped going. I'm finding it difficult to motivate myself to get back into them even with reports that this is the best time ever. Tonight I was going to check out Baccara but then I remembered the silly two lady drinks rule last time I went there and wondered whether they're still pulling that kind of nonsense. I ended up getting off at Phrom Pong and unloading in a massage girl instead.
Banana Boi
09-02-20, 01:57
Rainbow 2 closed? Saw a Facebook post by a popular Rainbow Girl that indicated its over.Rainbow girls have moved to another gogo bar. They're still all in Nana Plaza.
I don't think Jason Statham has problems getting laid. Even if no one knew who he was.
Sure but how many old bald men on ISG have the touch me and I'll destroy you bad boy look? Sade says ET has a hot looking model look so kudos for him. Agree if he looks hot even if he is balding it may work for him but in reality 99% of the old bald men I have seen in Thailand and Germany FKK clubs would not likely be classified as hot looking by a 20 year old girl.
If I hear "Hello, handsome man, where you go" one more time I swear I'll throttle one of them.
But don't we all hear this way too often from Asian P4P girls? Even I hear it often with my comb over.
I've been to Soi Cowboy with a really fat bloke and the girls absolutely loved him. I don't think it has anything to do with the reasons you suggest. It's more likely to be because fat men are perceived as being so rich they can eat as much as they want.I don't know about Thai girls falling all over customers because they look rich in any other way; bling, expensive clothes, shoes, in their demeanor, whatever. But I do see them lighting up and approaching customers with much more visible confidence when there appears to be no reason the customer might reject them for not "measuring up" to the type of girl they are used to being with. And I don't think that behavior is limited to direct P4P hookers.
I hear comments, complaints really, about being turned off by Thai girls with a boring lack of confidence in the room only from the guys I know who honestly do look like they could get hot girls for free but never from the guys who don't look like they could.
Only talking about the natural perception of the guys. We all know ugly guys who get hot girls, even for free. But I doubt that is a premise Thai hookers are basing their approach behavior on or how they behave in the room.
I've been to Soi Cowboy with a really fat bloke and the girls absolutely loved him. I don't think it has anything to do with the reasons you suggest. It's more likely to be because fat men are perceived as being so rich they can eat as much as they want.Maybe that might have been true 100 years ago, these days you can get pretty fat on cheap food. No need to be rich. In my opinion its pretty easy to see what a society deems attractive, just look at their media. What do the guys look like on TV, in advertisemennts and shows. These are the guys that thai women have been trained to like.
Banana Boi
09-02-20, 06:31
its pretty easy to see what a society deems attractive, just look at their media. What do the guys look like on TV, in advertisemennts and shows. These are the guys that thai women have been trained to like.Then sadly for us Farang Thai girls will be conditioned to like Thai men because your average Thai girl DOES NOT watch Farang TV if there is no Farang around. They all watch their Thai drama series. Most of the big Bangkok TV stars who Thai girls find hot are in their 20's and early 30's, not over 60. The other thing Thai girls watch are cartoons to help them improve their English. Guess Thai girls will become accustomed to like the human version of Doraemon.
Maybe that might have been true 100 years ago, these days you can get pretty fat on cheap food. No need to be rich. In my opinion its pretty easy to see what a society deems attractive, just look at their media. What do the guys look like on TV, in advertisemennts and shows. These are the guys that thai women have been trained to like.Whatever look a Thai girl has been conditioned to be sexually attracted to, that has almost nothing to do with who Thai hookers tend to feel more confident about approaching, being more comfortably uninhibited with or giving good service to in the room.
There is far less potential upside for a P4P girl to give attention and great service to a man she perceives as physically attractive enough not to really need her attention to get well laid and laid by girls at least as good looking as her if not better looking than to a man who in her eyes and estimation would feel lucky as hell and eternally grateful for the chance to be alone in the same room with her.
Now, the least attractive girls in a bar or any venue will go after a good looking man without hesitation or worry about being publicly rebuffed because they are used to being publicly rebuffed and most onlookers would expect it anyway. No surprise.
But the better looking girls have more fragile egos and are taking a rare and, frankly, unnecessary risk of losing Face by making a big play for a man who might turn up his nose at her approach when she could take the safer route instead.
The way this particular topic applies here, I suppose, is don't automatically assume a hot girl in a venue ignoring your attention and focusing on another dude has anything to do with you not being as physically attractive as him. Lol. It could very well be more like the opposite of that.
Franciscass
09-02-20, 08:21
Then sadly for us Farang Thai girls will be conditioned to like Thai men because your average Thai girl DOES NOT watch Farang TV if there is no Farang around. They all watch their Thai drama series. Most of the big Bangkok TV stars who Thai girls find hot are in their 20's and early 30's, not over 60. The other thing Thai girls watch are cartoons to help them improve their English. Guess Thai girls will become accustomed to like the human version of Doraemon.Check out what's on their phones or the walls of their bedrooms. Its Korean pop stars in their late teens / twenties not some aging farang but check out where their money comes from and its customers in their fifties up. Two different worlds. First is their fantasy second is their reality, its what they do for a living, its work.
When it comes to work they don't like bad hygiene, if you are too inebriated and those identified with a reputation for being overly demanding or aggressive. I feel they don't differentiate on age. In fact I have heard more than once a lot don't like young guys because of the nonstop pounding they get unlike granddad who likes to take it slow and easy. Also don't believe a high BMI or being folically challenged makes a lot of difference. For sure how you look, grooming, dress, having a smile, a twinkle in your eye and look like you are enjoying yourself goes a long way but a 3000 baht offer for her time supersedes all of that.
In short it's true they have their preferences and if they have choices they will pick and choose. If not they will close their eyes and dream of their Korean idol as they go through the motions with whoever is paying.
Danny Duck
09-02-20, 17:31
Check out what's on their phones or the walls of their bedrooms. Its Korean pop stars in their late teens / twenties not some aging farang but check out where their money comes from and its customers in their fifties up. Two different worlds. First is their fantasy second is their reality, its what they do for a living, its work.
When it comes to work they don't like bad hygiene, if you are too inebriated and those identified with a reputation for being overly demanding or aggressive. I feel they don't differentiate on age. In fact I have heard more than once a lot don't like young guys because of the nonstop pounding they get unlike granddad who likes to take it slow and easy. Also don't believe a high BMI or being folically challenged makes a lot of difference. For sure how you look, grooming, dress, having a smile, a twinkle in your eye and look like you are enjoying yourself goes a long way but a 3000 baht offer for her time supersedes all of that.
In short it's true they have their preferences and if they have choices they will pick and choose. If not they will close their eyes and dream of their Korean idol as they go through the motions with whoever is paying.Not once did I see old white guys on Thai girls FB pages with the Heart emoji. Hansum Asian; boys always POP up.
Not once did I see old white guys on Thai girls FB pages with the Heart emoji. Hansum Asian; boys always POP up.You know when the girls stop at the little Buddhist shrine to wai and pray for a fortunate night to help support themselves and their families before they hurry into the go-go bars? That's when images of old white guys POP into their heads.
Crocodilexp
09-02-20, 20:18
But the better looking girls have more fragile egos and are taking a rare and, frankly, unnecessary risk of losing Face by making a big play for a man who might turn up his nose at her approach when she could take the safer route instead.
The way this particular topic applies here, I suppose, is don't automatically assume a hot girl in a venue ignoring your attention and focusing on another dude has anything to do with you not being as physically attractive as him. Lol. It could very well be more like the opposite of that.
Interesting thought experiment and the logic seems sound on the surface. However, in reality, I definitely do NOT see more hot working girls making a big play for me now than did back when I was 10-15 years younger and 20 kg lighter.
HorseTrader
09-02-20, 21:49
Interesting thought experiment and the logic seems sound on the surface. However, in reality, I definitely do NOT see more hot working girls making a big play for me now than did back when I was 10-15 years younger and 20 kg lighter.My most recent visit was February and March this year, I was 10 kg lighter than prior visits but still about 5 kg above my ideal body weight. I noticed no difference in how the girls responded compared to prior visits.
KilledSoul
09-02-20, 21:51
Hair on your back and yellow smoker's teeth are other things that are pretty gross for girls.I guess I need to wax before my next Pattaya visit.
Interesting thought experiment and the logic seems sound on the surface. However, in reality, I definitely do NOT see more hot working girls making a big play for me now than did back when I was 10-15 years younger and 20 kg lighter.But by most observations the change in the past 10-15 years for what the hotter girls judge to be easier targets with regard to this premise is not based nearly so much on hair, age and weight as on race.
Thai girls claim to think (slim) Western women are the most beautiful because they tend to possess most of the attributes on the Thai girls' beauty wish list; taller, bigger boobs, lighter skin, lighter hair, blue eyes, etc. And they all seem to believe we Farang men were used to having the best of them before we landed in Thailand. LOL. Whether or not they could "measure up" to those standards has been brought up with me more times than I can count in the past 7 years. Based solely on the fact that I am a Farang.
Remember, it isn't really about which customer they think is physically attractive to them but more about who they think is or isn't accustomed to having better than them and possibly even for free.
I'm guessing that particular concern about a target customer having been with so many Western women is rarely if ever a consideration in the mind of the hotter girls who work in "Asian Only" clubs, the go-go bars where Asian customers are much preferred, Thermae and the like.
Lucky Nuts
09-03-20, 01:48
I've been to Soi Cowboy with a really fat bloke and the girls absolutely loved him. I don't think it has anything to do with the reasons you suggest. It's more likely to be because fat men are perceived as being so rich they can eat as much as they want.A hot petite girl I met told me she likes fat guys. So of course I asked her why. She said their body is like a big soft pillow.
Danny Duck
09-03-20, 17:57
A hot petite girl I met told me she likes fat guys. So of course I asked her why. She said their body is like a big soft pillow.Quite a few Girls said they love fat boys.
Paid for no sex. Imagine the logistics of a 300 pound man and a 80 pound Issarn Bargirl.
When girl say only cuddle how can a fat man get angry.
A hot petite girl I met told me she likes fat guys. So of course I asked her why. She said their body is like a big soft pillow.Ben Franklin is a fat guy. All ladies love him.
Franciscass
09-04-20, 06:43
But by most observations the change in the past 10-15 years for what the hotter girls judge to be easier targets with regard to this premise is not based nearly so much on hair, age and weight as on race.
Thai girls claim to think (slim) Western women are the most beautiful because they tend to possess most of the attributes on the Thai girls' beauty wish list; taller, bigger boobs, lighter skin, lighter hair, blue eyes, etc. And they all seem to believe we Farang men were used to having the best of them before we landed in Thailand. LOL. Whether or not they could "measure up" to those standards has been brought up with me more times than I can count in the past 7 years. Based solely on the fact that I am a Farang.
Remember, it isn't really about which customer they think is physically attractive to them but more about who they think is or isn't accustomed to having better than them and possibly even for free.
I'm guessing that particular concern about a target customer having been with so many Western women is rarely if ever a consideration in the mind of the hotter girls who work in "Asian Only" clubs, the go-go bars where Asian customers are much preferred, Thermae and the like.Your take on the fragile egos of hot Thai girls is interesting but. As I understand it and please correct me if I got it wrong firstly they have problems with good looking men because they believe these guys will have been with lots of pretty girls and so might reject them and they lose face and secondly for the same reasons may not meet his expectations back in the room. Less attractive men they feel will be men with less experience of pretty girls and so will not reject them or have high expectations back in the room. Conversely less attractive girls have no problem with rejection and could not care less whether the customer is satisfied or not. Did I get it right?
Hello friends,
Could anyone help me with some basic information:
1. Is the situation in Thailand back to way before Covid?
2. Do we still find attractive girls with GFE in bars and other freelancers?
3. Is sex tourism officially open?
Thank you and wish you all quality mongering.
A hot petite girl I met told me she likes fat guys. So of course I asked her why. She said their body is like a big soft pillow.Sumo wrestlers in Japan get more girls than movie stars.
Sumo wrestlers in Japan get more girls than movie stars.I imagine that's less because of their enormous bodiies and rather despite their bodiees.
Hello friends,
Could anyone help me with some basic information:
1. Is the situation in Thailand back to way before Covid?
2. Do we still find attractive girls with GFE in bars and other freelancers?
3. Is sex tourism officially open?
Thank you and wish you all quality mongering.Yes, yes, yes unless stated otherwise here.
Welcome.
HorseTrader
09-05-20, 03:29
Hello friends,
Could anyone help me with some basic information:
1. Is the situation in Thailand back to way before Covid?
2. Do we still find attractive girls with GFE in bars and other freelancers?
3. Is sex tourism officially open?
Thank you and wish you all quality mongering.Suggest you skim through the last few weeks of reports and read the links. Don't book your flight yet.
Franciscass
09-05-20, 03:52
Hello friends,
Could anyone help me with some basic information:
1. Is the situation in Thailand back to way before Covid?
2. Do we still find attractive girls with GFE in bars and other freelancers?
3. Is sex tourism officially open?
Thank you and wish you all quality mongering.No.
Whatever you remember is still there with greatly reduced numbers.
As far as I know sex tourism is not an officially sanctioned form of tourism anywhere in the world.
Sumo wrestlers in Japan get more girls than movie stars.And I'm sure many are quite wealthy.
I've been to Soi Cowboy with a really fat bloke and the girls absolutely loved him. I don't think it has anything to do with the reasons you suggest. It's more likely to be because fat men are perceived as being so rich they can eat as much as they want.Typically visit Crazy Horse when I'm in BKK. Have to pay an entrance fee as an Indian (though it is a little humiliating, I understand the house position because Indians IMHO are always aiming at getting something for nothing). I normally don't flash money to get attention but last time I was there I pulled out a rather fat wad to pay for my beer. Typically the service is ho-hum with nothing more than a folded hands gesture for the tip but after seeing it the waitress immediately sent out word to the girls around that there was a money stack attached to a man and it was their duty to pry it out of his hands (or at least that's what I surmised from her conversations). Half a dozen girls sidled up to me but as I was there for just the show, didn't make any moves on them so they left and I left after an hour or so with my wad a tad thinner.
Money talks to these girls. That's why they are in the business. Who they will or will not go out with has to be more to do who they think are more likely to part with it for the least amount of work on their part.
...I pulled out a rather fat wad to pay for my beer...Half a dozen girls sidled up to me ...
Money talks to these girls. That's why they are in the business. Who they will or will not go out with has to be more to do who they think are more likely to part with it for the least amount of work on their part.I've hard a similar experience, many times over in Thailand. Indeed, money talks, and it's the bottom line with the girls.
Member #4733
09-05-20, 14:42
Typically visit Crazy Horse when I'm in BKK. Have to pay an entrance fee as an Indian (though it is a little humiliating, I understand the house position because Indians IMHO are always aiming at getting something for nothing).Being a Westerner I also had to pay an entrance fee in Crazy House. Level of girls (January 2020) has dropped immensely. So no reason to pay that entrance fee. CH goes from bad to worse.
And I'm sure many are quite wealthy.Girls do not have an aversion to very fat men, they have an aversion to very empty wallets.
Danny Duck
09-06-20, 02:20
You tuber report. 270 day visa. Just pay for your own 14 quarantine in Looked. I'm in.
Comments.
Apparently, Rainbow 2 go-go bar has had so few customers lately it was shut down and they consolidated the girls and staff with Rainbow 4 go-go bar directly upstairs on the second level of Nana Plaza.
That is how it was last night and, therefore, Rainbow 4 was packed with girls and had a lot of Asian customers as is generally the case with those particular Rainbow bars.
I was there from about 9:30pm until almost Midnight and counted only 4-5 Farang customers including me in the place along with dozens of Asian customers.
I only emphasis the racial mix that much because the whole time I was there with 2 girls at my side I only saw 1 dude walk out with a girl after having barfined her. And he was one of the few other Farang customers. So I thought that was very interesting for a venue like this. The Asian customers all seemed content to just drink, buy drinks, relate whatever long drawn out stories and jokes to 2-3 girls at their side, goof around, everyone giggling but not taking any of them before walking out alone. Some were just sitting alone the whole time and never took a girl. And there were many lookers among the girls last night.
I had noticed earlier this late 30's or so Farang customer had a long conversation with a mamasan before she brought him a girl. The rare one in the line up willing to go with a Farang? Who knows. I would say she was clearly among the less atractive girls in the bar, a bit older and less fit than most of the other girls. But within minutes and 1 LD, off she went to change into her street clothes to leave with him happy as lovebirds.
As for me, I left with one of the cutest, sexiest girls in the place, imo, and she had already been fully vetted and screened for agreeing to defy the "Thanks for the Ladydrinks but no Real Sex (BBFS+CIP) for you tonight" vibe and all too often experienced reality that still at this dire economic time prevails with rare exception among the better looking go-go girls.
My method? Lol. Simple. On this occasion I BROUGHT her into Rainbow 2+4 go-go bar with me last night after having met her online and fully vetting her for providing me with Real Sex if I took her for LT. She was keen to go to Rainbow 2 after dinner because her friend dances there and that was the other girl at my side and enjoying a few LDs at my expense. Which was fine with me. I had a good time. My girl made almost anything worth it.
It is possible she used to work in Rainbow 2 as well before the lockdown. The gay papasan or whatever he is broke conversation with someone and threw his arms around her when we walked in. But when I asked if she ever worked in a go-go bar (her face and body definitely supported the idea) she only batted her eyes, smiled and sheepishly shook her head no. I dropped that line of questioning.
Anyway, last night with my girl was a lovely True GFE of Real Sex for our agreed upon 2,000 baht. At almost 12 Noon now the sweet little lady is still sleeping naked next to me and the plan is to go for a full day today and a second night in a row for the same 2,000 baht deal. Two nights in a row with the same girl is rare for me. But I can't think of a good reason not to agree to it with this one.
Francesco24
09-06-20, 06:44
Apparently, Rainbow 2 go-go bar has had so few customers lately it was shut down and they consolidated the girls and staff with Rainbow 4 go-go bar directly upstairs on the second level of Nana Plaza.
That is how it was last night and, therefore, Rainbow 4 was packed with girls and had a lot of Asian customers as is generally the case with those particular Rainbow bars.
I was there from about 9:30pm until almost Midnight and counted only 4-5 Farang customers including me in the place along with dozens of Asian customers.
I only emphasis the racial mix that much because the whole time I was there with 2 girls at my side I only saw 1 dude walk out with a girl after having barfined her. And he was one of the few other Farang customers. So I thought that was very interesting for a venue like this. The Asian customers all seemed content to just drink, buy drinks, relate whatever long drawn out stories and jokes to 2-3 girls at their side, goof around, everyone giggling but not taking any of them before walking out alone. Some were just sitting alone the whole time and never took a girl. And there were many lookers among the girls last night.
I had noticed earlier this late 30's or so Farang customer had a long conversation with a mamasan before she brought him a girl. The rare one in the line up willing to go with a Farang? Who knows. I would say she was clearly among the less atractive girls in the bar, a bit older and less fit than most of the other girls. But within minutes and 1 LD, off she went to change into her street clothes to leave with him happy as lovebirds..When / if you get tired of her. Can send me her Line in PM.
I wonder why I am so bad at finding that kind of girl online (2 k for long time and cute / sexy. I don't even care for BBFS and CIP).
Banana Boi
09-06-20, 06:46
I only emphasis the racial mix that much because the whole time I was there with 2 girls at my side I only saw 1 dude walk out with a girl after having barfined her. And he was one of the few other Farang customers. So I thought that was very interesting for a venue like this. The Asian customers all seemed content to just drink, buy drinks, relate whatever long drawn out stories and jokes to 2-3 girls at their side, goof around, everyone giggling but not taking any of them before walking out alone. Some were just sitting alone the whole time and never took a girl. And there were many lookers among the girls last night.Possibly because the Asian customers you currently see in the gogo bars are not the typical Weekend Millionaire Japanese and Korean tourists you would have seen pre-COVID. Assuming these are Asians who live / work in Bangkok or a select few tourists who currently have Visa amnesty and can stay in Thailand indefinitely.
Possibly because the Asian customers you currently see in the gogo bars are not the typical Weekend Millionaire Japanese and Korean tourists you would have seen pre-COVID. Assuming these are Asians who live / work in Bangkok or a select few tourists who currently have Visa amnesty and can stay in Thailand indefinitely.I thought that might be the reason as well. But that would be true of the Farangs in the bar too. And I do see Asian men walking out of Nana Plaza with girls they have apparently just barfined. And going in and out of the ST rooms in the Plaza. Just not from that bar last night and it had a high percentage of good looking girls compared with other bars.
Money talks to these girls. That's why they are in the business. Who they will or will not go out with has to be more to do who they think are more likely to part with it for the least amount of work on their part.Thank you for stating the obvious. If mongers were in BKK in the middle of the action they wouldn't be over analyzing something so simple The pandemic is causing us to monger in different ways LOL.
Also, if I'm paying money for a girl's company I couldn't care less what she thinks of my belly or hair, it's what I think of hers and her service, it's why I'm paying.
Possibly because the Asian customers you currently see in the gogo bars are not the typical Weekend Millionaire Japanese and Korean tourists you would have seen pre-COVID. Assuming these are Asians who live / work in Bangkok or a select few tourists who currently have Visa amnesty and can stay in Thailand indefinitely.Probably because any sensible expat either Asian or western would shoot his load in a massage parlour or blowjob bar girl and then spend the rest of the night chilling out in a go-go bar. Those go go girls really have priced themselves out of the market unless they are prepared to drop their prices to 1500 baht maximum. I imagine Rainbow girls are not prepared to go that low. Correct me if I'm wrong as 1500+800 BF + 300 ST hotel = 2600 baht would definitely tempt me back to start bar fining there again.
Probably because any sensible expat either Asian or western would shoot his load in a massage parlour or blowjob bar girl and then spend the rest of the night chilling out in a go-go bar. Those go go girls really have priced themselves out of the market unless they are prepared to drop their prices to 1500 baht maximum. I imagine Rainbow girls are not prepared to go that low. Correct me if I'm wrong as 1500+800 BF + 300 ST hotel = 2600 baht would definitely tempt me back to start bar fining there again.Exactly the price level I had in mind.
Danny Duck
09-06-20, 17:11
Love Rainbow 2-4. Pre covid I distinctly remember girls saying Barfine was 1000. No matter if house girl or agency.
I agree with all. No value in spending close to $130 for an AgoGo girl. So I don't.
Member #4698
09-06-20, 17:33
Probably because any sensible expat either Asian or western would shoot his load in a massage parlour or blowjob bar girl and then spend the rest of the night chilling out in a go-go bar. Those go go girls really have priced themselves out of the market unless they are prepared to drop their prices to 1500 baht maximum. I imagine Rainbow girls are not prepared to go that low. Correct me if I'm wrong as 1500+800 BF + 300 ST hotel = 2600 baht would definitely tempt me back to start bar fining there again.Wait a minute. You are telling me that you live in BKK and you have not thought to arrange a hook up with Go Go girls in the afternoon or on their days off?
The Go Go's are an excellent source of new girl material, but you must be willing to make the initial investment, so to speak, to get the ball rolling. Go! Find who you like and pay up (2500+800). Consider the barfine a finder's fee. If all goes well on the initial night in question all future meetings with this girl and her girlfriends can be easily arranged at your apartment thus cutting the bar out of all future arrangements completely. The cost minus the barfine finder fee would then be approximately 2500 bhat which is less than ceiling price you are willing to pay. Yeah, some girls might still want 3000. You can always take a pass on those. Of course, if you have some cute, sexy massage girls on hand, then you might not have a reason to go Go Go, but I like to hunt.
I cannot count the number of times I have arranged afternoon shag / pool party lunches with Go Go girls. My girls would often ask if they could bring a friend along and then show me the friend's pics for my approval. This was done in the best of times from the girl's point of view IE in pre Corona high demand times. Nowadays under the pandemic, I would imagine the girls would be even more willing to meet up outside of the Go Go bar. You just have to be willing to make that initial investment. No risk, no gain.
HorseTrader
09-06-20, 20:56
The Go Go's are an excellent source of new girl material, but you must be willing to make the initial investment, so to speak, to get the ball rolling. Go! Find who you like and pay up (2500+800). Consider the barfine a finder's fee. If all goes well on the initial night in question all future meetings with this girl and her girlfriends can be easily arranged at your apartment thus cutting the bar out of all future arrangements completely. The cost minus the barfine finder fee would then be approximately 2500 bhat which is less than ceiling price you are willing to pay. Yeah, some girls might still want 3000. You can always take a pass on those.In my limited experience, the girl price for subsequent meetings at my hotel can also go down. Though I must admit, I'll pay well over 2500 for somebody who I really like.
Girls do not have an aversion to very fat men, they have an aversion to very empty wallets.Sorry man, hate to break it to you. Fat men are not attractive physically to most women. Just as fat women are not physically attractive to most men. There are exceptions of course, but they are the few.
That does NOT mean girls won't go with you for the money. Theres a lot of things I'm averse to that I will do for money. Like work. Hahahah.
What you like and what you will accept for money are different things. Lets admit that and get that out of the way.
Sorry man, hate to break it to you. Fat men are not attractive physically to most women. Just as fat women are not physically attractive to most men. There are exceptions of course, but they are the few.
That does NOT mean girls won't go with you for the money. Theres a lot of things I'm averse to that I will do for money. Like work. Hahahah.
What you like and what you will accept for money are different things. Lets admit that and get that out of the way.Exactly. To think otherwise is delusional. Yes, there are some chubby chasers out there, but very few. Keep yourselves in shape gents.
I think the suggested prices to encourage more customers for the go-go bars, to keep them open, solvent and competing that I have read here are too high for what passes for Short Time service standards these days.
Even before Covid the girl in the pics below was the level of girl one could get online or just meet on your travels around town for 2,000 baht (plus 200-300 tip for travel to and from perhaps) Long Time starting as early as dinner time and going until 11am or 12Noon the next day with no barfine and no Ladydrink purchases required. And after a brief exchange that costs absolutely nothing, BBFS+CIP and/or BBBJ+CIM, at a minimum, can be agreed upon. If not, it still costs absolutely nothing to move on to the next one.
And this girl is no rube. She is friends with other girls who work in go-go bars like Rainbow 2 and 4 who have ongoing Japanese repeat customers and boyfriends they met there. So it isn't like she just left the rice fields and has no idea what kind of money she could make working in one of those bars. She prefers the freedom of not working in one, that's all.
Now, I am not one of the Master Punters here who routinely gets the top girls from the best go-go bars for 700 baht ST or 1,000 baht LT all in with BBFS+CIP provided as the norm without a gesture or word of discussion or objection about it. No, I am just a simple 67 year old country boy trying to make my way in the big city. Hence, the rates and negotiated service level I cited.
And I will not pretend this girl would be a top girl in the best go-go bars. She is not tall, does not have big boobs and does not have snow white skin that makes Asian punters drool. But she is a girlish little 22 year old spinner with an adorable face (not shown here, of course), an awesome fine shaved vagina and she knows how to give a great BBBJ+CIM.
I assure you I have seen punters of all races and ethnicities walking out of the best go-go bars with less attractive girls than this one countless times at 2-3 times the cost for ST only and, I can only guess, less than a hope of getting the level of Real Sex most girls out there will provide if their customers at least start asking for it upfront.
So if go-go bars and the girls in them want to compete with what is easily available out there and not sit empty without customers, how about the Reset Button take us back to 500 baht barfine, 100-120 baht Ladydrinks, 1000 baht to the girl for ST or 2,000 baht for LT? And let's include a much more liberal concept of what constitutes good to great service than what it has been for the past couple of decades. I mean, as long as we're wishing, why be lazy about it, as Mark Twain supposedly said.
Imo, in the new world of dating site hook ups and especially under the current economic conditions, the go-go bars and the girls in them need to really up their game if they want to compete with what is available out there. Unless they only want to sell the loud, party atmosphere bar and drinking experience with little or nothing to do with customers scoring a Real Sex experience as the goal.
Exactly. To think otherwise is delusional. Yes, there are some chubby chasers out there, but very few. Keep yourselves in shape gents.All girls prefer fat guys with money to in shape ones without.
Danny Duck
09-07-20, 17:03
Many Thai girls are aware that slim tall men have Extremely Large Pickles.
YMMV. Hahahahaha.
All girls prefer fat guys with money to in shape ones without.True. But they prefer an in shape guy with money to a fat guy with money. So get your butt in the gym.
All girls prefer fat guys with money to in shape ones without.Half true. They prefer both: the fat guy to pay the bills and then go to the buff guy for fun.
Any good looking white boy paying in Asia just ain't right in the head. 😉.
Enjoy. G.
Young white boys don't know how blessed they are. You don't even necessarily have to be ripped. Although as men, we tend to think women want muscled up jacked men, I've heard from quite a few women that they don't actually like that. You just have to be presentable. Look good in clothes and you're half way there.
Half true. They prefer both: the fat guy to pay the bills and then go to the buff guy for fun.
Any good looking white boy paying in Asia just ain't right in the head. 😉.
Enjoy. G.
True. But they prefer an in shape guy with money to a fat guy with money. So get your butt in the gym.I agree with that. However, my earlier point was that a P4P Thai girl is more likely to assume the fat or unattractive guy has had much less sex with far fewer different ladies, few if any posing a challenge for her to "measure up" to on looks by comparison than if he was a fit, better looking man, a man who has had many good looking girls, probably better looking than her and often for free.
Consequently, she would naturally assume the fat guy is not going to low ball her or hard bargain her down on her asking price and just accept it, even be happy to pay it, whereas the guy who gets good looking girls for free would. And, once in the room, she has far less reason to think the fat guy has been exposed to nearly as much potential STDs as the slim good looking man or that he has ever been with a better looking girl than her.
And those assumptions, true or not, can influence her behavior in the room regarding less inhibited service and going bareback or not.
The fatter or less attractive customer is also a prime candidate for repeat business if she wows him in the room. But her experience has told her the likelihood of a better looking customer she already thinks has had better than her and sometimes for free repeating with her is nil no matter how great she is with him in the room.
So, there is much more in it for her financially to approach and give great service in the room to a less attractive customer than a good looking one.
What the hooker finds personally sexually attractive or not is largely immaterial.
HorseTrader
09-08-20, 04:35
I think people are over analyzing this. Every girl thinks differently and she may change her view depending on her mood, which friends are watching, and her finances for the day.
Franciscass
09-09-20, 05:03
I think people are over analyzing this. Every girl thinks differently and she may change her view depending on her mood, which friends are watching, and her finances for the day.Couldn't agree more. This is the P4P world not the fragile ego driven dating game. Overwhelmingly connections with working girls are initiated by the customer and overwhelmingly the girls are not concerned about looks age weight. This has been consistently confirmed in research. Of course they will have preferences and if they have choices they will for example go with a younger fit Asian rather than an aging overweight westerner. There are some lines however some don't cross among which are customers wanting unprotected sex, aggressive drunks, and some nationalities but even here depending on how badly they need money some will unfortunately and sadly put their health on the line or take a risk with a customer they would normally avoid.
Danny Duck
09-09-20, 21:13
Couldn't agree more. This is the P4P world not the fragile ego driven dating game. Overwhelmingly connections with working girls are initiated by the customer and overwhelmingly the girls are not concerned about looks age weight. This has been consistently confirmed in research. Of course they will have preferences and if they have choices they will for example go with a younger fit Asian rather than an aging overweight westerner. There are some lines however some don't cross among which are customers wanting unprotected sex, aggressive drunks, and some nationalities but even here depending on how badly they need money some will unfortunately and sadly put their health on the line or take a risk with a customer they would normally avoid.No doubt most want an aging Foreigner. Young fit Asians last too long and too Big.
No doubt most want an aging Foreigner. Young fit Asians last too long and too Big.Regardless what is sexually appealing for a female in or out of the P4P business, I'm pretty sure the whole idea of P4P from the beginning was to cater to men who were not already getting plenty of free pussy from hot young girls.
These girls will naturally search for and prefer to approach and close a deal with men who appear to have the words "LIKELY CUSTOMER, RARELY GETS IT FOR FREE" plastered all over them, not "HANDSOME PLAYBOY WHO OFTEN GETS LAID FOR FREE FROM HOTTER GIRLS THAN ME" plastered all over them. Lol.
Banana Boi
09-10-20, 05:57
Wait a minute. You are telling me that you live in BKK and you have not thought to arrange a hook up with Go Go girls in the afternoon or on their days off?Imo you should not be paying barfines at all if you live in Thailand or are a frequent visitor. Of course there will be the occasional night when you want a girl that particular night and she is in the middle of her contract. However, in general girls happy to go with you on their off days and when they have free time.
Maybe it's just me but when it's prime time in the gogo bars starting at 7:30 pm I'd rather be bar hopping feeling up and DFKing many girls rather than being with a single girl who I could just meet up after work when the bars are closed.
Franciscass
09-10-20, 12:12
Regardless what is sexually appealing for a female in or out of the P4P business, I'm pretty sure the whole idea of P4P from the beginning was to cater to men who were not already getting plenty of free pussy from hot young girls.
These girls will naturally search for and prefer to approach and close a deal with men who appear to have the words "LIKELY CUSTOMER, RARELY GETS IT FOR FREE" plastered all over them, not "HANDSOME PLAYBOY WHO OFTEN GETS LAID FOR FREE FROM HOTTER GIRLS THAN ME" plastered all over them. Lol.Can't see ET where the "naturally search and prefer" by the girls of less attractive customers comes in. The business doesn't operate like that. They chose which ends they want to work in, whether freelance or employee and then where and how, oilies soapies, gogos, escort, online, street, or bars and clubs and then wait for customers. While other issues will influence their choice whether the customer looks like he gets lots of free pussy or not is totally irrelevant.
I'm sure its interesting to discuss whether the P4 P girls care what you look like, and yeah you'll absolutely get better service if you're attractive.
But lets not make any question of the real deal: they care about who they can extract the most money from more than anything. Don't kid yourself. They want the guy who is going to shower them in cash far more than anything else going on, looks or whatever. Is a girl happy to please some old fat guy? No, but she likes money, sure she'd rather get the money from a hot stud, but those aren't really her clients. But no matter what you look like or how you act, all problems can be solved with baht. Often not even too much of it.
I'm sure its interesting to discuss whether the P4 P girls care what you look like, and yeah you'll absolutely get better service if you're attractive.
But lets not make any question of the real deal: they care about who they can extract the most money from more than anything. Don't kid yourself. They want the guy who is going to shower them in cash far more than anything else going on, looks or whatever. Is a girl happy to please some old fat guy? No, but she likes money, sure she'd rather get the money from a hot stud, but those aren't really her clients. But no matter what you look like or how you act, all problems can be solved with baht. Often not even too much of it.Thank god for paid hookers. Most of us have our best days behind us already. Imagine if we had to compete based on looks!
Thank god for paid hookers. Most of us have our best days behind us already. Imagine if we had to compete based on looks!Yep. Even on my best days I couldn't compete on my looks.
Can't see ET where the "naturally search and prefer" by the girls of less attractive customers comes in. The business doesn't operate like that. They chose which ends they want to work in, whether freelance or employee and then where and how, oilies soapies, gogos, escort, online, street, or bars and clubs and then wait for customers. While other issues will influence their choice whether the customer looks like he gets lots of free pussy or not is totally irrelevant.I haven't been talking about P4P girls who work in soapies, massage shops, BJ bars and so on where the customer walks in, points to the girl he wants (or books her in advance), where the fees are set and might even be collected upfront.
And it was more about customer preference, inhibitions, enthusiasm, fee negotiations, etc, elements that don't really apply in venues where fees are set, services often listed on a menu (bareback not being among them, for instance) and where the service is pretty much assembly line the same from customer to customer.
Danny Duck
09-11-20, 04:30
Yep. Even on my best days I couldn't compete on my looks.How old guys get Hot chicks in malls is beyond my pay grade.
Franciscass
09-11-20, 05:06
I haven't been talking about P4P girls who work in soapies, massage shops, BJ bars and so on where the customer walks in, points to the girl he wants (or books her in advance), where the fees are set and might even be collected upfront.
And it was more about customer preference, inhibitions, enthusiasm, fee negotiations, etc, elements that don't really apply in venues where fees are set, services often listed on a menu (bareback not being among them, for instance) and where the service is pretty much assembly line the same from customer to customer.While I still don't subscribe to your belief that good looking girls avoid good looking men because they either fear rejection or they will disappoint him with their service and while I don't see any evidence of this where I play I have to admit I have no experience with how it works online. I agree here its possible good looking girls while browsing through profiles with pics pass on good looking guys for the reasons you mention but how is then as a good looking guy you seem to have no end of good looking young girls lining up to spend time with you. Not doubting you ET just curious.
For the past month (Aug / Sep), I've checked-out the gogo bar scene as much as I could.
My report is that Nana is the place to go for Gogo bars right now. Cowboy would be next in line but really the only place worthwhile there would be Baccara and maybe Crazy House (for the all-nude viewing). And I never made it out to Patpong, but if it's anything like how it was before COVID, then XXX Lounge would probably be the only one I'd visit over there.
Now for Nana, the only gogos worth visiting right now and if I was forced to only choose one gogo to visit, I would visit:
Based on attractive lineups, I would have to go with Rainbow 4 (for the more natural-looking girls).
Based on groping sessions, I would go with Rainbow 5 (for the cosmetic enhancements).
Based on just chilling without being constantly harassed by girls / mamasans, I would go with Butterflies (best open layout for sitting and viewing).
Based on all-around gogo experience, you can't go wrong with Billboard (all-around good).
And if I had to only choose one gogo to visit right now, I would say Rainbow 4. Even though I get quoted Rainbow's barfine as being 1 k baht. Most of the other gogo's barfine that I get quoted is 700 baht. I just find the girl lineup there matches my personal preference.
I don't bother haggling price with the girls even though you definitely could haggle. The initial ST price is always quoted to me as 3 k baht. A Rainbow 4 girl discounted her ST price to me down to 2 k without any haggling, and I couldn't say no to that bargain. She was super young and fit with no tattoos. And her service was great.
And most of these girls that I barfined exchanged their Line info with me. But it's becoming somewhat annoying to receive random Line startup conversations from these girls trying to arrange meetings. My guess is this is the case because most of these girls no longer have a steady stream of customers.
But overall, I would say you can find a fun experience at these mentioned gogos. Their lineups are all good. You can grope these girls at all these venues and have your own personal lap dance for the price of a lady drink. When sitting at these gogos nowadays, the ratio of girls to customers is at least 20 to 1 if not higher. The after-barfine service will obviously be YMMV. So I can't comment for others on their experiences. Only that my experiences have been overall good with the worst cases being average.
And even though the prices / barfines haven't been formally lowered, I think that the gogos at Nana are still worth visiting.
Regardless what is sexually appealing for a female in or out of the P4P business, I'm pretty sure the whole idea of P4P from the beginning was to cater to men who were not already getting plenty of free pussy from hot young girls..............I doubt that. The first P4P probably went like this: caveman walking with club on one shoulder, dead rabbit on the other and erect penis protruding through his loin wrap. Hungry woman looking on says to him: "I'll give you sex for half of that rabbit".
While I still don't subscribe to your belief that good looking girls avoid good looking men because they either fear rejection or they will disappoint him with their service and while I don't see any evidence of this where I play I have to admit I have no experience with how it works online. I agree here its possible good looking girls while browsing through profiles with pics pass on good looking guys for the reasons you mention but how is then as a good looking guy you seem to have no end of good looking young girls lining up to spend time with you. Not doubting you ET just curious.Franciscass, you're responding to my observations about what one might conclude is the reason a girl in a go-go bar, a club, Thermae, online, etc chooses one customer over the other as though I'd announced the results of a decades long scientic experiment with only one possible conclusion and interpretation. LOL. I was merely pointing out what I consider a rather obvious bit of human behavior that can exist in the P4P world as much as it exists in the normal dating world; some girls will feel intimidated about approaching or responding to the attentions of a better looking man, don't feel comfortable about dealing with possible rejection for "not measuring up" to what she thinks he is used to and will instead prefer to choose easier prey instead.
That was my response to what had seemed to be the prevailing take here that hotter looking hookers will ignore one customer in favor of another based on what they find sexually attractive. As though, for instance, the reason better looking girls in Thermae and some go-go bars that only focus on approaching or responding to Asian customers are more sexually attracted to the fat and/or old Asian dudes I certainly see them responding well and enthusiastically to rather than a younger, fitter customer of any race.
On the issue of me supposedly having "no end of good looking young girls lining up to spend time with me", I think you might have missed or forgotten the part about all the "No" responses I get to what I consider minimal sexual activity to justify paying anything at all, the extra effort I put into finding good girls for me, my admissions that finding a good one (for me) is like finding a diamond in the rough and that I do not even bother with trying to score the top tier best looking girls in a venue but much prefer the second tier girls instead.
I doubt that. The first P4P probably went like this: caveman walking with club on one shoulder, dead rabbit on the other and erect penis protruding through his loin wrap. Hungry woman looking on says to him: "I'll give you sex for half of that rabbit".Ah, then you subscribe to the philosophy that all women are hookers.
Be prepared to get a stern talking to about that from Franciscass 😁
But to apply my possible alternative take on that example of P4P, if she was a particularly good looking female among other females and saw 10 men with rabbits, she might reasonably conclude she could get the whole rabbit from the uglier guys and with less risk of being refused.
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MichaelSamuel
09-12-20, 01:28
This is the truth of most our lives isn't it? Do that many people do their jobs because they love the work? They take the job that they can get, that pays the highest, and that they can stomach. I sure as shit would rather be doing a lot other things that are either rewarding work wise or personally, but instead I work at the bank since I get the most money and nearly 7 weeks of holiday. But just like the girls if you were to staff my office with a bunch of hotties verse a bunch of american girls I would sure as shit be happier.
I'm sure its interesting to discuss whether the P4 P girls care what you look like, and yeah you'll absolutely get better service if you're attractive.
But lets not make any question of the real deal: they care about who they can extract the most money from more than anything. Don't kid yourself. They want the guy who is going to shower them in cash far more than anything else going on, looks or whatever. Is a girl happy to please some old fat guy? No, but she likes money, sure she'd rather get the money from a hot stud, but those aren't really her clients. But no matter what you look like or how you act, all problems can be solved with baht. Often not even too much of it.
Franciscass
09-12-20, 02:09
I doubt that. The first P4P probably went like this: caveman walking with club on one shoulder, dead rabbit on the other and erect penis protruding through his loin wrap. Hungry woman looking on says to him: "I'll give you sex for half of that rabbit".Yes possible but he might have a problem if if he is a 6 foot handsome well groomed fit troglodyte with the latest fashionable branded loin cloth and matching club in which case fearing rejection and disappointing him back in the cave she will opt for his Barney Rubble lookalike sidekick.
Franciscass
09-12-20, 07:09
Franciscass, you're responding to my observations about what one might conclude is the reason a girl in a go-go bar, a club, Thermae, online, etc chooses one customer over the other as though I'd announced the results of a decades long scientic experiment with only one possible conclusion and interpretation. LOL. I was merely pointing out what I consider a rather obvious bit of human behavior that can exist in the P4P world as much as it exists in the normal dating world; some girls will feel intimidated about approaching or responding to the attentions of a better looking man, don't feel comfortable about dealing with possible rejection for "not measuring up" to what she thinks he is used to and will instead prefer to choose easier prey instead.
That was my response to what had seemed to be the prevailing take here that hotter looking hookers will ignore one customer in favor of another based on what they find sexually attractive. As though, for instance, the reason better looking girls in Thermae and some go-go bars that only focus on approaching or responding to Asian customers are more sexually attracted to the fat and/or old Asian dudes I certainly see them responding well and enthusiastically to rather than a younger, fitter customer of any race.
On the issue of me supposedly having "no end of good looking young girls lining up to spend time with me", I think you might have missed or forgotten the part about all the "No" responses I get to what I consider minimal sexual activity to justify paying anything at all, the extra effort I put into finding good girls for me, my admissions that finding a good one (for me) is like finding a diamond in the rough and that I do not even bother with trying to score the top tier best looking girls in a venue but much prefer the second tier girls instead.I've noticed you seem to have modified your position from I what I previously understood you to say was the norm to now being a more vague "some girls" do. There are no absolutes in the universe and there will always be exceptions.
Keeping it simple though you believe P4P girls where they have choice will avoid good looking guys in favor of less attractive guys because they fear rejection or not being good enough in the sack. Not for the first time ET we will just have to agree to disagree.
Ah, then you subscribe to the philosophy that all women are hookers.And all men are consumers.
And all men are consumers.All men are mongers.
For the past month (Aug / Sep), I've checked-out the gogo bar scene as much as I could.
My report is that Nana is the place to go for Gogo bars right now. Cowboy would be next in line but really the only place worthwhile there would be Baccara and maybe Crazy House (for the all-nude viewing). And I never made it out to Patpong, but if it's anything like how it was before COVID, then XXX Lounge would probably be the only one I'd visit over there.
Now for Nana, the only gogos worth visiting right now and if I was forced to only choose one gogo to visit, I would visit:
Based on attractive lineups, I would have to go with Rainbow 4 (for the more natural-looking girls).
Based on groping sessions, I would go with Rainbow 5 (for the cosmetic enhancements).
Based on just chilling without being constantly harassed by girls / mamasans, I would go with Butterflies (best open layout for sitting and viewing).
Based on all-around gogo experience, you can't go wrong with Billboard (all-around good).
And if I had to only choose one gogo to visit right now, I would say Rainbow 4. Even though I get quoted Rainbow's barfine as being 1 k baht. Most of the other gogo's barfine that I get quoted is 700 baht. I just find the girl lineup there matches my personal preference.
I don't bother haggling price with the girls even though you definitely could haggle. The initial ST price is always quoted to me as 3 k baht. A Rainbow 4 girl discounted her ST price to me down to 2 k without any haggling, and I couldn't say no to that bargain. She was super young and fit with no tattoos. And her service was great.
And most of these girls that I barfined exchanged their Line info with me. But it's becoming somewhat annoying to receive random Line startup conversations from these girls trying to arrange meetings. My guess is this is the case because most of these girls no longer have a steady stream of customers.
But overall, I would say you can find a fun experience at these mentioned gogos. Their lineups are all good. You can grope these girls at all these venues and have your own personal lap dance for the price of a lady drink. When sitting at these gogos nowadays, the ratio of girls to customers is at least 20 to 1 if not higher. The after-barfine service will obviously be YMMV. So I can't comment for others on their experiences. Only that my experiences have been overall good with the worst cases being average.
And even though the prices / barfines haven't been formally lowered, I think that the gogos at Nana are still worth visiting.Excellent report! I think bars like Butterflies insist on 2 lady drinks whereas I don't believe Rainbow 4 does so there's not much of a price difference between 800+2 lady drinks and 1000+1 lady drink.
I remember thinking Rainbow 4 was overrated last time I went there with bleached hair and too much make-up covering up some fairly hardened looking women but that was a long time ago.
Dr Brian Jones
09-12-20, 17:54
All men are mongers.All men pursue money, power and / or recognition in order to have sex.
Yes possible but he might have a problem if if he is a 6 foot handsome well groomed fit troglodyte with the latest fashionable branded loin cloth and matching club in which case fearing rejection and disappointing him back in the cave she will opt for his Barney Rubble lookalike sidekick.Yep, in some cases, but certainly not all, if her judgement is correct that he is attractive enough to get all the rabbit-free sex he wants from cave girls at least as hot as her, she might very well discover soon enough that the only sure thing half rabbit in her future is the one in Barney's hand, not his. Live and learn.
Franciscass
09-13-20, 02:19
Yep, in some cases, but certainly not all, if her judgement is correct that he is attractive enough to get all the rabbit-free sex he wants from cave girls at least as hot as her, she might very well discover soon enough that the only sure thing half rabbit in her future is the one in Barney's hand, not his. Live and learn.Plus she could be vegetarian and doesn't eat rabbit.
All men pursue money, power and / or recognition in order to have sex.And why you should also strive to keep yourself fit and in shape.
Franciscass
09-13-20, 10:31
And why you should also strive to keep yourself fit and in shape.Sounds eminently sensible but there is school of thought out there that says the good looking girls will then avoid you.
It is apparent that some guys on here believe that because they are buffed they can get better hookers than the corpulent mongers. Makes me recall a particular day at an FKK in Frankfurt. A young good looking customer entered the club. He resembled a young Leonardo diCaprio, only better looking. No girls rushed to him. He was treated like any other monger in the club. I saw when he chose a girl who I had been with before. That does not mean the FKK girls do not rush after certain customers. They do. They run after the Japanese, Korean and Chinese visitors to the establishment and age and fitness level does not matter. I well remember a beauty I wanted to session, she was walking in my direction, I smiled at her hoping to attract her attention, she passed me by without batting an eye and went straight to an Asian guy she was focused on who ended up not even taking her to the room. Buffness has nothing to do with it, working girls will gravitate to where they believe they can get more money for less work.
Danny Duck
09-13-20, 17:55
It is apparent that some guys on here believe that because they are buffed they can get better hookers than the corpulent mongers. Makes me recall a particular day at an FKK in Frankfurt. A young good looking customer entered the club. He resembled a young Leonardo diCaprio, only better looking. No girls rushed to him. He was treated like any other monger in the club. I saw when he chose a girl who I had been with before. That does not mean the FKK girls do not rush after certain customers. They do. They run after the Japanese, Korean and Chinese visitors to the establishment and age and fitness level does not matter. I well remember a beauty I wanted to session, she was walking in my direction, I smiled at her hoping to attract her attention, she passed me by without batting an eye and went straight to an Asian guy she was focused on who ended up not even taking her to the room. Buffness has nothing to do with it, working girls will gravitate to where they believe they can get more money for less work.That's why I think old guys have an advantage. Old guys have a hard time keeping an ErectionS.
ThisIsARandom
09-13-20, 19:14
My experience is that obese guys have no chance with the hottest of the hottest girls in the GoGo bars. The theory that the hottest girls prefer an ugly / obese guy over a normal weight guy is pathetic. Sounds.
Like someone is trying to make himself feel good.
I've been both normal weight and over-weight leaning on the border to obese (110 kg 1,90 m), and my personal experience is that as a normal weight I could have a great experience.
With any girl in the GoGo bars, and average looks of the girls sitting with me was a lot better than what I was experiencing as an over-weight guy.
Being normal weight I experienced the hotties contacting me, but as soon as I entered the overweight bordering to obesity league nothing was free, and the hottest girls in the bars didn't even bother to give me eye contact. And no I'm not going to ask mamasan to get me the hottest girl. Why would you want to fuck a girl who are not attracted to you the slightest?
HorseTrader
09-13-20, 20:08
And why you should also strive to keep yourself fit and in shape.I'm not great at this, but it is sufficiently offset by carrying plenty of rabbits.
JohnReter335
09-13-20, 22:02
All men pursue money, power and / or recognition in order to have sex.Yep right & money is the power to do anything.
MarquisdeSade1
09-14-20, 05:28
Yep right & money is the power to do anything.It can't buy respect.
Some mongers use it to cut in line, but like Goffering posted one day, all that does, is get oneself labelled an easy mark.
I get more respect low balling than any monger ever will overpaying 3rd world hookers.
I was curious to see the location and walked through Nana on Soi 7 the other day. It's a complex of beer bars with some of them having billiard tables. The place has potential to be a cool hangout spot. Unfortunately, I did not see any attractive and quality girls that I would sit and have a drink. Then again, I still haven't found any beer bar places here in Bangkok that had P4P girls I would consider attractive. I will keep looking.
Banana Boi
09-14-20, 06:33
It is apparent that some guys on here believe that because they are buffed they can get better hookers than the corpulent mongers.Yep from the sounds of it some of you guys are complete studs in the looks department. I'm jealous with my comb over. Imo if you're that good looking you DO NOT need to be going to bars in Thailand to pick up girls unless of course dark skinned Thai girls happen to be your thing. You could go to any civilian bar or beach resort in the country of your choice and pick up hot girls for free. Oddly I guess I have NEVER bumped in to any of you guys in a gogo bar or FKK club because I can count on 2 hands the number of good looking guys I have seen in a gogo bar or FKK club since 2011.
I saw an extremely good looking guy alone at Dollhouse in Pattaya. He had 10 girls swarm him the second he walked in. The girl sitting with me said she prefers guys with absolutely no muscles and a comb over. Bless her heart. Who am I not to believe her! However, in no time at all the girls left him except one fat ugly one. That's the girl he got to grope and DFK for free. Bottom line. The buff good looking early 20s guy will get the girl's attention for a minute but he can't keep them with him once the girls figure out they're not going to get a drink from him. He even flashed his 6 pack thinking he was king sh1t. As expected though, the waitresses were impressed but not the gogo girls. Money talks in Thailand, not looks as long as you aren't Shrek like.
Yep from the sounds of it some of you guys are complete studs in the looks department. I'm jealous with my comb over. Imo if you're that good looking you DO NOT need to be going to bars in Thailand to pick up girls unless of course dark skinned Thai girls happen to be your thing. You could go to any civilian bar or beach resort in the country of your choice and pick up hot girls for free. Oddly I guess I have NEVER bumped in to any of you guys in a gogo bar or FKK club because I can count on 2 hands the number of good looking guys I have seen in a gogo bar or FKK club since 2011.
I saw an extremely good looking guy alone at Dollhouse in Pattaya. He had 10 girls swarm him the second he walked in. The girl sitting with me said she prefers guys with absolutely no muscles and a comb over. Bless her heart. Who am I not to believe her! However, in no time at all the girls left him except one fat ugly one. That's the girl he got to grope and DFK for free. Bottom line. The buff good looking early 20s guy will get the girl's attention for a minute but he can't keep them with him once the girls figure out they're not going to get a drink from him. He even flashed his 6 pack thinking he was king sh1t. As expected though, the waitresses were impressed but not the gogo girls. Money talks in Thailand, not looks as long as you aren't Shrek like.I think your "Bottom line" story about the girls figuring out they were not going to get a drink from the guy who (they would assume) could get laid from similar girls for free elsewhere illustrates the point I made about that dynamic. Of course, experienced working girls aren't going to repeat that little experiment over and over again to see if the outcome will ever improve their prospects for getting a drink, barfined, close to their asking price without hassle, scoring a reliable repeat customer, etc.
It doesn't even have to be true that a particular customer CAN and DOES get laid for free with girls at least as attractive as the working girl that is sizing him up as a potential customer. It is only what the working girl assumes to be the case that determines her approach, response, enthusiasm or lack thereof for him.
Which is what I meant when I said if getting a cold shoulder response on encountering a hot girl or, in cases where she agrees to go with you but the service in the room is dreary, nobody should automatically assume it is because she thinks you are not as attractive as the customer she approaches instead or treats much better. In some cases it might be something closer to the opposite of that reason.
Note to all: I said in "some" cases it "might be." I did not say in "all" cases it "is." lol. It is simply a suggestion for us punters not to take every rebuff from a hot hooker in a go-go bar, beer bar, club, on the street, in Thermae Bkk, wherever to be mounting evidence of their repulsion for us due to our age, weight, skin color, ethnicity, race, looks and so on. It could very well be that she thinks dealing with you would be a waste of her time and effort compared to other customers in the vicinity.
Guys,
Prostitution is a job, the girls you see are there to make money, it's work. Just put yourself in their shoes. What would you consider a good day if you were a top tier girl?
1. A day where you made 10000 baht by talking 3 ugly customers.
2. A day you made 3000 bht because you turned down the uglies for a good looking customer.
They're there to put food on the table and pay the bills, not date. Top tier girls can also get free sex from just about any guy, so they're not there scoping out good looking customers that are always available to them for free, they're there to maximize the amount of money they can make on that day.
Have you not seen the looks of some of the guys walking out with the top tier girls?
Of course girls would prefer a good looking customer over an ugly if they were both the same in terms of payment, but that's not reality. Just as if you were a jigalo you would not be getting 8 to 10 girls paying for your service. And even if you did, if this were your job you would prefer the 3/10 fat chicks that are easy lays and pay well to the 8/10 chicks that don't. Because this is work, after you get off of work you can choose who you want to be with.
Let's stop kidding ourselves.
Yep, in some cases, but certainly not all, if her judgement is correct that he is attractive enough to get all the rabbit-free sex he wants from cave girls at least as hot as her, she might very well discover soon enough that the only sure thing half rabbit in her future is the one in Barney's hand, not his. Live and learn.Yes but that's not a realistic scenario, nobody no matter how hot he is just gets free sex from as many top girls as he wants. Reality is one top girl will hook him and prevent him from the rest of the top girls. She's not going to sit around watching him shag other top girls she'd rather be with an ugly loyal guy. That top guy with the top girl would still be paying for the nice cave and the rabbits for his top jealous girl to feast on as she gets fatter and fatter. He would then also be looking to give up some rabbits for some other mid tier girl.
That 8's more in line with reality. We do not live in some imaginary world where hot guys are having endless free sex with top girls for free, so her judgment to begin with is imaginary.
Yes but that's not a realistic scenario, nobody no matter how hot he is just gets free sex from as many top girls as he wants. Reality is one top girl will hook him and prevent him from the rest of the top girls. She's not going to sit around watching him shag other top girls she'd rather be with an ugly loyal guy. That top guy with the top girl would still be paying for the nice cave and the rabbits for his top jealous girl to feast on as she gets fatter and fatter. He would then also be looking to give up some rabbits for some other mid tier girl.
That 8's more in line with reality. We do not live in some imaginary world where hot guys are having endless free sex with top girls for free, so her judgment to begin with is imaginary.I totally don't care if girls go with ugly or handsome men. Girls are always looking for money! And of course if the guy is handsome and pay her, she stays with him but most of the time, handsome guys are mongers and they go in all the gogos in BKK, Phuket and Pattaya and they love to fuck many girls! And if the sexy boy stay many days even for free with a gogo girl, don't worry, be sure he ll spend money for her in shopping. Thai ladies are never free, especially if you meet her in Pattaya or in any gogo in Thailand.
And be sure, if after 2 or 3 days the sexy doesn't give her any money, the sexy girl will leave hilm and will tell her directly she need to work and make money. That if he doesn't take care of her (like they love to say), she'll have to go work again with customers. So if the sexy man loves her, he ll pay her, if not he doesn't care and he ll fuck another one.
I remember a girl Aom from Soi 6, who was one of my favorites working girls (usually I fuck her 1 time per week bareback) told me after 10 days I didn't meet her, she had a boyfriend and was not working anymore in bar. At the beginning I was sad, and she sent me pictures of her and the boyfriend. He was not so good looking but was in the twenties like her and she loves to go nightclubs with him everyday.
And like I said the handsome boy was on holidays and stayed 1 week in Pattaya with her, and the next week I was in Soi 6 again and she was back in her bar! And called me to fuck with me again.
So of course I come back fuck her, and she was even angry with me because I fucked 2 other girls Pony and Nam bareback from her bar when she was with the man.
But finally after 2 lady drinks and 1500 bahts for her, she let me fuck her again in the room upstairs.
Danny Duck
09-15-20, 02:01
80% of girls really have no say in who they have Sex with.
They don't attract that many men to begin with. LOL.
Franciscass
09-15-20, 03:27
It depends on what is paid but the belief that Thai working girls have no respect for generous customers and see them as fools and easy marks but respect the Cheap Charlie's who beat then down to rock bottom fees is so ridiculous as to be laughable. It goes something like I respect this guy because he is smart and knows he can fuck me for 1000 baht but I have no respect for this other guy because he gives me 2000. This point of view is usually put out there by these same miserly punters to justify their behavior. Girls love and respect guys who are generous and sure some of them will take advantage of naive newbies and yes they fuck cheap charlies when they have to out of necessity but come on nobody truly respects or even likes miserly mongers.
Was curious if anyone has heard of when Bangkok will open the city for international tourists or if it already has? I have tried to find some information but just read that October 1st the will be opening Phuket but nothing about Bangkok. Thank in advance.
Sly.
Other than actual primary source data confirming theories, I think it's been interesting to read some of the opinions regarding what drives a P4 P Thai girl's decision-making.
These are the questions that came to mind when I tried to understand what everyone has been discussing:
Do a majority of P4 P Thai girls prefer to go with physically attractive customers or physically unattractive customers? (Considering both types of customers having equal levels of cash).
Do a majority of P4 P Thai girls prefer attractive customers with less money / generosity compared to unattractive customers with more money / generosity?
Do a majority of P4 P Thai girls provide better, worse, or an equal level of service for attractive customers when compared to unattractive customers?
Do a majority of P4 P Thai girls make customer selection decisions based on logic alone (makes presumptions and calculates best risk) or emotions alone (physical attraction is the key driving force)? Or a balance of both (I. E. It depends)?
Does generalizing and stating only "Thai girls" lead readers to interpret and suggest meaning as "All Thai girls", "A majority of Thai girls", or "Some Thai girls"? Or is it unclear?
Do P4 P customers in Thailand really care about the reasons why P4 P Thai girls would select them? On a scale from 0 to 10 (0 = Could care less; 10 = Really, really care), how much do P4 P customers really care about these reasons?
Anyways, I think everyone agrees that cash is king here in Thailand.
My opinion is just bring cash to the P4 P table here in Thailand and you'll be alright.
My opinion is just bring cash to the P4 P table here in Thailand and you'll be alright.Hoo-ray! Some sense being posted at last.
UnfaithfulLord
09-15-20, 06:52
Damn, I read the forum every morning with my coffee (and my cook in my hand LOL, not) before I start the days work. I love reading just about everything that is written here but sometimes I wonder what kind of eternal discussions are going on?
When I was in my late twenties, I looked good and was in great shape. (I needed to say in my twenties, because if I told you I look great now, you would call med a bullshiter and rant about that for another 15 posts). At home in Europe I can fuck with "who I want" with a little effort and charm. But that's exactly what I want to avoid when I go to Thailand. I do not want to make an effort, I do not want to be charming, I do not want to play games with a girl who thinks she is special wearing a Michael Kors bag just like anyone else. I want to "just be" and then have the opportunity to buy exactly what I want, at exactly what price I want. No charm needed, no bullshit from me and no reason to present the best about myself. Business only, exactly how I love it.
The appearance of me and other customers does not matter. The reason I participate in the scene is because I want hassle free days without fake behavior from girls who think they are so fucking special even though there are hundreds or even thousands of exactly the same kind of girl to pick on.
No, thank god I know P4P.
Danny Duck
09-15-20, 07:20
Hoo-ray! Some sense being posted at last.Ugly Customers vs Handsome ones.
It's insane.
Franciscass
09-15-20, 07:32
Other than actual primary source data confirming theories, I think it's been interesting to read some of the opinions regarding what drives a P4 P Thai girl's decision-making.
These are the questions that came to mind when I tried to understand what everyone has been discussing:
Do a majority of P4 P Thai girls prefer to go with physically attractive customers or physically unattractive customers? (Considering both types of customers having equal levels of cash).
Do a majority of P4 P Thai girls prefer attractive customers with less money / generosity compared to unattractive customers with more money / generosity?
Do a majority of P4 P Thai girls provide better, worse, or an equal level of service for attractive customers when compared to unattractive customers?
Do a majority of P4 P Thai girls make customer selection decisions based on logic alone (makes presumptions and calculates best risk) or emotions alone (physical attraction is the key driving force)? Or a balance of both (I. E. It depends)?.My predictions.
Attractive.
With more money.
Equal.
It depends.
Majority.
2.
Just bring cash! Correct.
Yes but that's not a realistic scenario, nobody no matter how hot he is just gets free sex from as many top girls as he wants. Reality is one top girl will hook him and prevent him from the rest of the top girls. She's not going to sit around watching him shag other top girls she'd rather be with an ugly loyal guy. That top guy with the top girl would still be paying for the nice cave and the rabbits for his top jealous girl to feast on as she gets fatter and fatter. He would then also be looking to give up some rabbits for some other mid tier girl.
That 8's more in line with reality. We do not live in some imaginary world where hot guys are having endless free sex with top girls for free, so her judgment to begin with is imaginary.Of course, it is all about what the girl imagines is the case with this or that customer, not the reality.
For example, the reality is most of us are delighted to gaze upon the 22 year old body of our choice for the night standing stark naked in our room before fucking her even if her boobs are small and she is carrying an extra 2 kilos. But that girl thinks we have seen naked and been with nothing but Victoria's Secret models before arriving in Thailand and if she doesn't run from the shower to jump under the bed sheet wrapped in a towel we might vomit on the floor at the sight of her.
Danny Duck
09-15-20, 15:28
Of course, it is all about what the girl imagines is the case with this or that customer, not the reality.
For example, the reality is most of us are delighted to gaze upon the 22 year old body of our choice for the night standing stark naked in our room before fucking her even if her boobs are small and she is carrying an extra 2 kilos. But that girl thinks we have seen naked and been with nothing but Victoria's Secret models before arriving in Thailand and if she doesn't run from the shower to jump under the bed sheet wrapped in a towel we might vomit on the floor at the sight of her.I think girls are more concerned with how they look as opposed to what we look like.
One of my favorites got the implants. She was on the small side but not flat. Easily got customers.
Now looks like a Freak. Small girl with Balloon s for Tits. Not appealing at all.
It can't buy respect.............You remind me of a discussion I had with a working girl from Africa in a German FKK who I told I was not interested. She said to me if I spend so much money to travel and visit FKKs why I was wearing a cheap watch and not a Rolex. I told her because they both give me what I want which is the time. She then retorted that with the watch I am wearing I won't get respect.
MichaelSamuel
09-15-20, 19:11
That hits right on a primary point. While we can be kind and generous the girls and the mongers are operating in different worlds. Not to be offense but the respect of an african working girl in a german FKK is worth fuck all. Same as the respect of an issan farm girl on a chrome pole. The reality is we both come from such different worlds that while the educated amongst us can understand and appreciate their side they have no real concept of life in the west. The only common currency, pun intended, between monger and working girl is money and sex. Beyond that anything else is abstract at best. You can take the girl out of the bar, but you can't take the bar out of the girl.
You remind me of a discussion I had with a working girl from Africa in a German FKK who I told I was not interested. She said to me if I spend so much money to travel and visit FKKs why I was wearing a cheap watch and not a Rolex. I told her because they both give me what I want which is the time. She then retorted that with the watch I am wearing I won't get respect.
Dr Brian Jones
09-15-20, 21:03
The reason I participate in the scene is because I want hassle free days without fake behavior from girls who think they are so fucking special.
No, thank god I know P4P.Most of us also move to Thailand to be relating to truthful, non-fake working girls.
Special mention to the tall ones with funny voices on Soi 6/1, Pattaya.
I think girls are more concerned with how they look as opposed to what we look like.
...I agree. That is a central theme in what I have been saying in this side discussion and why the topic of, ok let's say Ugly Customers vs Handsome Customers, can be useful to understanding what is going on in the girl's mind for those of us for whom the basic, standard Thai P4P fare that is easily available to virtually everyone without giving much thought to it at all isn't nearly enough.
If your desired girls aren't responding well with you because you are ugly, the usual remedy is well known to be more money.
But if the reason for that is because of what you cited, that she lacks confidence in her looks with you and feels inhibited by a worry that she won't "measure up" to what she imagines is your required and accustomed standard (I might add the related issue that she thinks you have been with too many other ladies lately, an STD concern), then more money isn't necessarily going to be the most effective remedy.
You remind me of a discussion I had with a working girl from Africa in a German FKK who I told I was not interested. She said to me if I spend so much money to travel and visit FKKs why I was wearing a cheap watch and not a Rolex. I told her because they both give me what I want which is the time. She then retorted that with the watch I am wearing I won't get respect.Yes, but some of us would go out shopping and come in the next day sporting a Rolex to gain the "love and respect" of the WGs, that is more than the 'love and respect' the working girls give to the average 'cheap charlies' that pay the market price and no more. We may also stop by the gym so we look fit the next time we stroll into the gogo bar and draw the attention of the girls, pay for a 5 star hotel just to impress the WGs, and hopefully with the combination of all that and a handsome 1 to 2 k tip, we'll have attained their 'love and respect' and secured better service.
I'm glad these discussions are taking place, because I really thought this was black and white, but I'm now starting to understand the mindset of some mongers and the many greys they perceive.
Like one poster said, the life of the western man and the Thai working girl are so different and they think in completely different ways. Good to know its the same with us mongers as well, and maybe some of us will come around to understand why some of our fellow mongers sponsor girls, paying their rent and bills throughout the year, just for the privilege of a few nights of service that she continues to give men from all corners of the globe while he is a way, in the very apt that he is paying for without so much as a thought about it or about 'love and respect'.
I agree. That is a central theme in what I have been saying in this side discussion and why the topic of, ok let's say Ugly Customers vs Handsome Customers, can be useful to understanding what is going on in the girl's mind for those of us for whom the basic, standard Thai P4P fare that is easily available to virtually everyone without giving much thought to it at all isn't nearly enough.
If your desired girls aren't responding well with you because you are ugly, the usual remedy is well known to be more money.
But if the reason for that is because of what you cited, that she lacks confidence in her looks with you and feels inhibited by a worry that she won't "measure up" to what she imagines is your required and accustomed standard (I might add the related issue that she thinks you have been with too many other ladies lately, an STD concern), then more money isn't necessarily going to be the most effective remedy.Girls in Pattaya know me very well, especially in Soi 6 and Soi LK. Ladies love me and fight with me each time because they say I'm big butterfly (LOL yes I fuck many ladies). They fight with me each time because I never wear condoms, and all the girls speak together about me because I fuck them all bareback! And it makes me smile a lot, because each time they say "no good, no condom" and each time I answer them "no condom big money for you" and then each time they still let me fuck them without!
Francesco24
09-16-20, 04:26
Anyone has been or have any info about Random bar in Nana Plaza? It seems to be a new bar but couldn't find any info online.
I walked past a few times and always saw very cute girls outside.
Girls in Pattaya know me very well, especially in Soi 6 and Soi LK. Ladies love me and fight with me each time because they say I'm big butterfly (LOL yes I fuck many ladies). They fight with me each time because I never wear condoms, and all the girls speak together about me because I fuck them all bareback! And it makes me smile a lot, because each time they say "no good, no condom" and each time I answer them "no condom big money for you" and then each time they still let me fuck them without!But you have also described your method of going over the top expressing your love for the girl if that will produce the result you want or to suggest you will support them and their family and so on. I would consider that to be "more" than just negotiating for a higher rate.
I know many punters who use those methods to convince the girls to go bareback with them and it can definitely work better than just whipping out an additional 1,000 baht note to wave in front of them at crunch time. Works even better if they do both.
Of course, once we have been there bareback with a girl it is very rare for her to change the rules for next time even after they've seen us with 100 other girls. Lol. Assuming also they have not noticed any of the others or themselves coming up pregnant from us or with any new health issues it can even be a plus.
I know mamasans in go-go bars who bring new girls to me already agreeable to barebscking it with me. But they wouldn't continue to do that if the girls I've been with already showed a pattern of missing work due to pregnancy or other health problems.
Banana Boi
09-16-20, 05:35
Girls in Pattaya know me very well, especially in Soi 6 and Soi LK. Ladies love me and fight with me each time because they say I'm big butterfly (LOL yes I fuck many ladies). They fight with me each time because I never wear condoms, and all the girls speak together about me because I fuck them all bareback! And it makes me smile a lot, because each time they say "no good, no condom" and each time I answer them "no condom big money for you" and then each time they still let me fuck them without!If we ask you're likely not going to name Soi 6 and LK Metro girls you've done BBFS with so how about naming the ones who say no to you for BBFS. That is the type of info that is actually helpful to a board like this. Will help guys like ET and others who only do BBFS avoid these girls. Name, number, and bar would be helpful.
Hansstrudel
09-16-20, 06:10
Hey ET, how do you approach this with the mamasans? Did you inform them of your preference?
But you have also described your method of going over the top expressing your love for the girl if that will produce the result you want or to suggest you will support them and their family and so on. I would consider that to be "more" than just negotiating for a higher rate.
I know many punters who use those methods to convince the girls to go bareback with them and it can definitely work better than just whipping out an additional 1,000 baht note to wave in front of them at crunch time. Works even better if they do both.
Of course, once we have been there bareback with a girl it is very rare for her to change the rules for next time even after they've seen us with 100 other girls. Lol. Assuming also they have not noticed any of the others or themselves coming up pregnant from us or with any new health issues it can even be a plus.
I know mamasans in go-go bars who bring new girls to me already agreeable to barebscking it with me. But they wouldn't continue to do that if the girls I've been with already showed a pattern of missing work due to pregnancy or other health problems.
Hey fellas,
Have been a regular to Thailand over past 3-4 years and have better experiences every second time I was there. Post Covid I am looking to do a 3-4 people combined visit (Friends ofcoz) and am looking for an organizer if any who can take care of some good location Villa and Crazy party girls as per requirements. Rest of the intricacies can be worked along. Not looking for party models who can be just looked at, need gals who can give action. Just wanted to check with pros here if this is doable and if any one has a lead for such party organizers. I could google some online but am not sure about the ingenuity so thought to ask here first. Not comprehending from the money side, so that shouldn't be a criteria in the search.
Cheers,
TIA.
If we ask you're likely not going to name Soi 6 and LK Metro girls you've done BBFS with so how about naming the ones who say no to you for BBFS. That is the type of info that is actually helpful to a board like this. Will help guys like ET and others who only do BBFS avoid these girls. Name, number, and bar would be helpful.Well the problem is they all say yes! If you want to avoid these girls, it's easy, each time you'll see a very young sexy lady in soi 6 or Soi LK, you can imagine I already fucked her bareback!
But you know, nowadays girls in Pattaya or Bangkok are used to fuck bareback! When I speak with them about other customers, they tell me that most of the time they ask to fuck them bareback! And you know most of the time, you even don't need to ask.
Assuming also they have not noticed any of the others or themselves coming up pregnant from us or with any new health issues it can even be a plus.
I know mamasans in go-go bars who bring new girls to me already agreeable to barebscking it with me. But they wouldn't continue to do that if the girls I've been with already showed a pattern of missing work due to pregnancy or other health problems.Yes of course, these girls are real diligent with that. They have tabs on the other girls we go with just in case they get pregnant or catch something, that's a good indication that they caught it from you and not the other 100 mongers they saw that month.
I need to apply this method as well, if I've been with a girl bareback, I'll keep tabs on all the guys they go with. That way if one of them ends up with an std I'll know to cancel that girl.
Yes, but some of us would go out shopping and come in the next day sporting a Rolex to gain the "love and respect" of the WGs......................All along I thought the reason why the WGs did not respect me was because I stuck my tongue in their bungholes, but it was really because of my watch.
Danny Duck
09-16-20, 16:34
All along I thought the reason why the WGs did not respect me was because I stuck my tongue in their bungholes, but it was really because of my watch.Some girls respect me because I give them money.
Some girls don't respect me because I give them money.
For Sex of course.
Quite the Conundrum. LOL.
If we ask you're likely not going to name Soi 6 and LK Metro girls you've done BBFS with so how about naming the ones who say no to you for BBFS. That is the type of info that is actually helpful to a board like this. Will help guys like ET and others who only do BBFS avoid these girls. Name, number, and bar would be helpful.Just avoid the girls of Nightwish Group because you can be sure I BBFS almost all their girls!
Am looking for an organizer if any who can take care of some good location villa and crazy party girls as per requirements. Rest of the intricacies can be worked along. Not looking for party models who can be just looked at, need gals who can give action. Just wanted to check with pros here if this is doable and if any one has a lead for such party organizers.I am definitely the organizer you seek. It goes without saying that I know many crazy party girls who can give action as per requirements. And I can easily arrange for a good location villa. You are correct that we will have to work along the rest of the intricacies, but that should not be a problem. In order to get started, please advise when you plan to visit Pattaya, how many will be in your posse and summarize your requirements for the girls who can give action. I shall require a retainer of 50,000 baht -- paid in advance.
I still love you.
But why am I so irrational in spending money.
It's only Wednesday and:
- Monday. I did fuck a girl for 1. 5 K baht: 20 years old. No condom, anal, cum on her face, 2 rounds.
- Tuesday. I did had a regular girl. Did go out eating and drinking with her. Paid a room close to the bar. And gave her 3 K for sex with a condom and a 3 minutes BJ.
- Wednesday. I was still horny, but missed a good BJ yesterday. Planned to go to Tokyo. But that seemed to be closed. So went again to 7-Heaven. Paid 1. 3 K for only an okay BJ.
Will I spend my money more wisely tomorrow? Questions!
Banana Boi
09-17-20, 05:59
Well the problem is they all say yes! If you want to avoid these girls, it's easy, each time you'll see a very young sexy lady in soi 6 or Soi LK, you can imagine I already fucked her bareback!
But you know, nowadays girls in Pattaya or Bangkok are used to fuck bareback! When I speak with them about other customers, they tell me that most of the time they ask to fuck them bareback! And you know most of the time, you even don't need to ask.So now they all say yes to BBFS and it's up to 100% BBFS with Pattaya girls? ET, you should be hobbying in Pattaya!
Just avoid the girls of Nightwish Group because you can be sure I BBFS almost all their girls!
Wait, 8 hours later you now change it to almost all. So now it's not 100% any more?
Are the rest of you guys buying this story?
Banana Boi
09-17-20, 06:19
Have been a regular to Thailand over past 3-4 years and have better experiences every second time I was there. Post Covid I am looking to do a 3-4 people combined visit (Friends ofcoz) and am looking for an organizer if any who can take care of some good location Villa and Crazy party girls as per requirements. I assume you and your buddies don't have special privileges to enter Thailand before the rest of us. By the time we are all able to enter Thailand all the girls and many more from starving families will be readily available for us. I see absolutely no reason for a party organizer. Just go grab girls you like with good personalities and the party just happens automatically. You say you are a regular to Thailand which is more reason you should know what to do without paying extra for a party organizer or a tour guide.
Maybe PM Gilolo. He says all the girls know him and almost all do BBFS with him. Maybe he'll even take you guys out and show you around for free!
I still love you.
But why am I so irrational in spending money.
Will I spend my money more wisely tomorrow? Questions!That's amazing! I just had a very uncharacteristic and irrational experience in Bangkok myself.
I barfined a Rainbow 4 girl recently. During our session together, I was having trouble with the condom. And then the girl dared me to go BBFS with her. Normally, I would say no because I'm very averse to that type of risky activity with a P4 P girl. But this girl was smoking hot (for my standards at least). I looked at her with my fingers inside and feeling how wet she was down there. I thought for a second and just made an uncharacteristically risky decision to go for it. If she had something (I. E. STDs), then I guess that at that point I've decided that convenience and pleasure was more important than health. The BBFS session was overall great for sure! But was it worth it? In the moment, totally! But I guess only the future really can tell if this past activity was worth the risk.
But what do I do with future sessions with this girl? Continue with BBFS (because it was really good) or go back to the rubber? I think I know what I will most likely do and what is most likely going to happen.
The good thing is I have her Line, and if something does come up on any future STD testing, I have a way to at least contact her.
Yes. I love Bangkok right now.
So now they all say yes to BBFS and it's up to 100% BBFS with Pattaya girls? ET, you should be hobbying in Pattaya!
...LOL. Well, I can only speak about my experiences in Pattaya during normal times pre-Covid. I have not been there since. At this point all the norms that applied then no longer apply.
But during normal times it was difficult enough for me to find any girls anywhere in Pattaya that I judged to be worth as much as, say, 700 baht ST or 1,000 baht LT when I factored in looks, demeanor, attitude, tattoos, piercings, smoking along with the sexual experiences I'd had with any of them over the course of 8-10 trips there in the past 7+ years. And more difficult on Soi 6 than most other places around town.
Of the relatively few I bothered to engage with and spend my time, money and ejaculate on, I can count 1 that agreed to BBFS with me before I took her and she meant it. She was not worth repeating.
Then again, I don't generally play the games of taking them at late hours, when they are falling down drunk coming out of a bar at 3am, occupying their time for hours until they must feel pressure to go along with anything or lose the valuable time they wasted if they were booted out with little or no money, profess my undying love for them or promise to support them forever and so on. I tell them what I want straight up early in the evening when they are still sober and can easily choose a different customer if they are not into it with me.
My conclusion was (during normal times) the scant few lookers worth my time and money that I encountered in Pattaya were not into it with me but many, many more and better lookers (as well as the other factors; demeanor, attitude, etc) in Bangkok are.
Maybe I would find the results dramatically better for me now.
I assume you and your buddies don't have special privileges to enter Thailand before the rest of us. By the time we are all able to enter Thailand all the girls and many more from starving families will be readily available for us. I see absolutely no reason for a party organizer. Just go grab girls you like with good personalities and the party just happens automatically. You say you are a regular to Thailand which is more reason you should know what to do without paying extra for a party organizer or a tour guide.
Maybe PM Gilolo. He says all the girls know him and almost all do BBFS with him. Maybe he'll even take you guys out and show you around for free!Hey!
Plan is nothing immediate based on the present situation. I have done many solo flings in Thailand. This is just an experience we discussed and wanted to try. I hope nothing wrong in that! Have seen few sites online promoting this so thought of checking here if anyone took a shot on this.
Cheers!
I am definitely the organizer you seek. It goes without saying that I know many crazy party girls who can give action as per requirements. And I can easily arrange for a good location villa. You are correct that we will have to work along the rest of the intricacies, but that should not be a problem. In order to get started, please advise when you plan to visit Pattaya, how many will be in your posse and summarize your requirements for the girls who can give action. I shall require a retainer of 50,000 baht -- paid in advance.Thanks for the reply. Am not looking for Pattaya as a location. May be Phuket. Are you are an expat in Thailand?
Shall get in touch once the situation gets better to travel.
Cheers.
That's amazing! I just had a very uncharacteristic and irrational experience in Bangkok myself.
I barfined a Rainbow 4 girl recently. During our session together, I was having trouble with the condom. And then the girl dared me to go BBFS with her. Normally, I would say no because I'm very averse to that type of risky activity with a P4 P girl. But this girl was smoking hot (for my standards at least). I looked at her with my fingers inside and feeling how wet she was down there. I thought for a second and just made an uncharacteristically risky decision to go for it. If she had something (I. E. STDs), then I guess that at that point I've decided that convenience and pleasure was more important than health. The BBFS session was overall great for sure! But was it worth it? In the moment, totally! But I guess only the future really can tell if this past activity was worth the risk.
But what do I do with future sessions with this girl? Continue with BBFS (because it was really good) or go back to the rubber? I think I know what I will most likely do and what is most likely going to happen.
The good thing is I have her Line, and if something does come up on any future STD testing, I have a way to at least contact her.
Yes. I love Bangkok right now.Had a similar situation when I was in BKK in Jan. Smoking hot girl. We spent 3 days together. On second day she didn't ask for rubber and started bareback as she is one of the few who don't get much wet and have dry down south. Rest of the two days were without rubber. She had mentioned its new thing for her to go bareback and she gets tested every 3 months. I didn't buy it of course. Thankfully don't get any symptoms.
Don't think will repeat the same mistake unless Junior rides over the brain again!!
The good thing is I have her Line, and if something does come up on any future STD testing, I have a way to at least contact her.Contact her for what? What do you think will happen once you tell her you failed a test?
Most likely she will deny or pretend to be surprised and that's all, if she doesn't block you immediately.
They already know it when they've got a disease, you're not going to inform her of anything that she doesn't know already.
They don't care to spread it around, they just think that it's not a big deal as long as they can keep on "working".
So now they all say yes to BBFS and it's up to 100% BBFS with Pattaya girls? ET, you should be hobbying in Pattaya!Well Banana Boi, I just think you're jealous! I don't lie I just say truth. I hate condoms and I love very sexy girls, and I'm an addict of creampie. And yes I confirm it's very easy to fack bareback ladies in Pattaya. In soi 6 I'm used to go for many years, to different bars like Wicked, Jungle Bar, Avarice, Wraeth, Sex in the City, Where the angels play and many others. And each time girls let me fuck them bareback. They all know me good, just few of them say me NO to get more money. And when I propose them 500 or 1000 bahts more they 're OK to fuck without condom.
Just some girls don't want I come inside their pussy.
Member #4698
09-17-20, 12:04
Welcome to the club T Chizzle. What you experienced is just the beginning. We all started down the post 80's HIV road a little bareback shy. Some more than others. It was a big deal for me the first couple of times I let it happen and I still remember my first time in AC. It seemed like a slow motion dream in which I was almost powerless to stop the girl from climbing on board. Ha Ha. But the rewards were immediately apparent and the follow-up negative test results supported my decisions (plural). I posted a trip report of it all back in the day. I called it "Barebacking in the PI" and I recall that I barebacked every girl, 25 Pinays, on that "cherry boy" first visit. It was a wild trip and a lot of fun. I am not quite that reckless nowadays and use some degree of discretion on who I bareback same as I do for going down on a girl. I recommend you do the same and employ discretion and your common sense. IE if the pussy looks "kosher" it is probably OK. The key is not all girls are bareback worthy, but many are. It is up to you. And as far a risk is concerned in our sport: celibacy / abstinence is the only risk free behavior as even monogamy is reliant on the integrity of your partner which can never be 100% unless you are married to a saint.
Just avoid the girls of Nightwish Group because you can be sure I BBFS almost all their girls!So that settles it then, you work for one of the competing bars to the Nightwish group.
HorseTrader
09-17-20, 14:46
...Are the rest of you guys buying this story?Just not feeding the trolls.
I still love you.
But why am I so irrational in spending money.
It's only Wednesday and:
- Monday. I did fuck a girl for 1. 5 K baht: 20 years old. No condom, anal, cum on her face, 2 rounds.
Where did you get this one? Rainbow 4?
Danny Duck
09-17-20, 20:03
Where did you get this one? Rainbow 4?Can someone count cocktail; staff in Rainbow 4. I find it hard to believe the all Rainbow 2 staff can be accommodated in Rainbow 4.
Something's got to give.
Contact her for what? What do you think will happen once you tell her you failed a test?
Most likely she will deny or pretend to be surprised and that's all, if she doesn't block you immediately.
They already know it when they've got a disease, you're not going to inform her of anything that she doesn't know already.
They don't care to spread it around, they just think that it's not a big deal as long as they can keep on "working".Thank you for your insight. Unfortunately, I can't control and predict others' reactions to information. However, I can control my own actions for being informative.
Let's assume I test positive for an STD in the future and send her a message about it. According to your wisdom of "they already know", then most definitely she will not be surprised. However, in the event that she didn't know, then she'll be informed and can take whatever actions she deems appropriate for her. Again, I can't control or predict others' reactions to information.
And if she turns out to have the character that belongs to your ominous and categorized as "they don't care" group, then the P4 P monger community in Bangkok would continue to be at risk. However, if her reaction to my information is contrary to your wisdom and belief of "they already know", then she would be surprised and she could possibly take appropriate precautions to improve her health.
When I contact her, what do I lose? I lose a couple minutes of my time; the time it takes to send a message.
What do I possibly gain if I contact her? In the case of your wisdom and if she happens to fall in line with your "they don't care" theory, I would gain nothing really. But if your theory happens to be off-base and you're wrong, then there would be some possible positive outcomes to the situation. I would be willing to sacrifice a couple minutes of my time to contact this girl if there's any potential for a positive reaction.
So for the potential greater good of the P4 P monger community in Bangkok, let's hope you're wrong.
Welcome to the club T Chizzle. What you experienced is just the beginning. We all started down the post 80's HIV road a little bareback shy. Some more than others. It was a big deal for me the first couple of times I let it happen and I still remember my first time in AC. It seemed like a slow motion dream in which I was almost powerless to stop the girl from climbing on board. Ha Ha. But the rewards were immediately apparent and the follow-up negative test results supported my decisions (plural). I posted a trip report of it all back in the day. I called it "Barebacking in the PI" and I recall that I barebacked every girl, 25 Pinays, on that "cherry boy" first visit. It was a wild trip and a lot of fun. I am not quite that reckless nowadays and use some degree of discretion on who I bareback same as I do for going down on a girl. I recommend you do the same and employ discretion and your common sense. IE if the pussy looks "kosher" it is probably OK. The key is not all girls are bareback worthy, but many are. It is up to you. And as far a risk is concerned in our sport: celibacy / abstinence is the only risk free behavior as even monogamy is reliant on the integrity of your partner which can never be 100% unless you are married to a saint.I appreciate the advice.
I definitely don't plan on making this a recurring habit when it comes to P4 P, but I can't say that it will never happen again.
Just trying to keep the risk low; would be great if STDs didn't exist.
Dr Brian Jones
09-17-20, 21:36
Maybe PM Gilolo. He says all the girls know him and almost all do BBFS with him. Maybe he'll even take you guys out and show you around for free!Statistically, he needs to hit about 20 girls per day, to keep satisfied annually 60% of all girls on Soi 6, 7, 8 and LK + weekly regulars + the one taken away from boyfriends in their back.
So BB please leave him alone. As he is supporting by himself a large part of the local economy in these challenging times.
Dr Brian Jones
09-17-20, 21:49
Just some girls don't want I come inside their pussy.Which you do, without their consent after reassuring them to trust you, as you proudly reported, knowing perfectly that abortion is illegal in Thailand.
Which you do, without their consent after reassuring them to trust you, as you proudly reported, knowing perfectly that abortion is illegal in Thailand.But easily obtainable and safe.
So that settles it then, you work for one of the competing bars to the Nightwish group.Not at all! I love all the bars in Pattaya who have sexy working girls! I'll never work in a bar! I'm not interested in this business of bars or nightclubs and we don't earn money with a bar in Pattaya!
Danny Duck
09-18-20, 03:37
Hawaii is doing away with 14 day quarantine IF and only if you have neg. C19 test within 72 hours.
Come on Mr Prayut issan; buffaloes are going hungry. LOL.
Banana Boi
09-18-20, 04:26
So BB please leave him alone. As he is supporting by himself a large part of the local economy in these challenging times.It's just too bad that none of what he says is true. I bet if I walked through LK Metro gogo bars more girls would know me than him and I haven't been there for over a year!
Franciscass
09-18-20, 08:05
It's just too bad that none of what he says is true. I bet if I walked through LK Metro gogo bars more girls would know me than him and I haven't been there for over a year!Lolo I feel lives by the Oscar Wilde maxim there is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.
Dr Brian Jones
09-18-20, 10:34
But easily obtainable and safe.I do not know where you got this information, and how long you have been living here, but anyone who had face this issue, or witness it through a Thai family member, would most probably tell you otherwise, explaining in part the high rates of teen pregnancy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Thailand =.
"The legal status of abortion in Thailand is governed by the Thai Criminal Code. Abortion is illegal except in certain in circumstances. By the letter, the law allows termination of a pregnancy by physicians only (1) when abortion is necessary due to the health of the pregnant woman, or (2) if the pregnancy was the result of rape. Abortions performed outside of these circumstances are punishable by up to three years in jail (as well as fines) for the woman and up to five years for the performer (up to seven years if it was performed against the will of the woman)."
Hi Mens2,
Very interesting story, would love to know where you found that gem. I am not into BBFS but anal, with COF and 2 round for 1500 thb, that's a deal! I already have this girl from TF, Chotika, 29 yo, whose great, hot and naughty. I give her 2 k for 2 shot with A+ and COF, but would love to meet a new one especially 20 yo.
I still love you.
But why am I so irrational in spending money.
It's only Wednesday and:
- Monday. I did fuck a girl for 1. 5 K baht: 20 years old. No condom, anal, cum on her face, 2 rounds.
- Tuesday. I did had a regular girl. Did go out eating and drinking with her. Paid a room close to the bar. And gave her 3 K for sex with a condom and a 3 minutes BJ.
- Wednesday. I was still horny, but missed a good BJ yesterday. Planned to go to Tokyo. But that seemed to be closed. So went again to 7-Heaven. Paid 1. 3 K for only an okay BJ.
Will I spend my money more wisely tomorrow? Questions!
I do not know where you got this information, and how long you have been living here, but anyone who had face this issue, or witness it through a Thai family member, would most probably tell you otherwise, explaining in part the high rates of teen pregnancy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Thailand =.
"The legal status of abortion in Thailand is governed by the Thai Criminal Code. Abortion is illegal except in certain in circumstances. By the letter, the law allows termination of a pregnancy by physicians only (1) when abortion is necessary due to the health of the pregnant woman, or (2) if the pregnancy was the result of rape. Abortions performed outside of these circumstances are punishable by up to three years in jail (as well as fines) for the woman and up to five years for the performer (up to seven years if it was performed against the will of the woman)."I've lived here 21 years. Yes, it's illegal but like so many other things in Thailand there are places that provide in a safe clean environment. And the authorities don't shut them down.
LittleBigMan
09-20-20, 02:13
I've lived here 21 years. Yes, it's illegal but like so many other things in Thailand there are places that provide in a safe clean environment. And the authorities don't shut them down.I wonder about this law like so many Thailand have made whether it truly is applied at all unless it hits the front page and embrasses them it is just another law to try to make themselves as if they are a first rate nation? I've known a number of girls working that have had abortions in a number of cases I've heard conversations as if it was normal to have one if one chooses as if there wasn't a law? It seems it is no more than a convienance to have one or not to serve their agenda.
I stopped in a few clubs and restaurants on Soi 11 last night, Saturday night, to see how the freelancer scene on that soi is faring these days. Hemingway's (restaurant and bar), Oskar's Bistro, Havana Social Bangkok, sometimes known as the Telephone Bar because of the secret phone number you enter in the old style pay telephone entrance to cause the club's door to pop open.
I can say all of those places were packed with girls and customers between 10PM and 1AM last night with the biggest drop off in the crowd happening around Midnight. Good looking ladies, too. Too many of the customers looked like they spend all day at the gym. lol wtf? Pretty much shoulder to shoulder, butt to butt with everyone dancing or really just moving around looking something like dancing. No masks in sight.
I zero'd in on a very sweet faced light skinned high water booty little lady with her girlfriend in Havana Social around 11:30PM and hung with them for a while. Took the sweet faced one back to my room at 1AM for a Long Time until about 10AM today. 2,500 baht. My number offer for LT and for what I require. There was no real negotiation. Would have probably been double that or close to it and maybe only for Short Time normally. BBFS+CIP later than I prefer last night and a very fine, super determined BBBJ+CIM this morning. Glad I have been getting those testosterone treatment shots lately. Busy weekend for me so far and it isn't over yet. lol.
Dr Brian Jones
09-20-20, 13:11
I've lived here 21 years. Yes, it's illegal but like so many other things in Thailand there are places that provide in a safe clean environment. And the authorities don't shut them down.This is not my experience at all, but this is a case where I wish you are right.
My bigger point was however about this (censured), bragging here about coming inside the girls, after reassuring them he will absolutely not.
Or the way he likes to remove the condom in doggy before coming, when they cannot notice.
GettingFedUp
09-20-20, 17:42
I've lived here 21 years. Yes, it's illegal but like so many other things in Thailand there are places that provide in a safe clean environment. And the authorities don't shut them down.Except that the Constitutional Court ruled in February that Section 301 of the criminal code (which prohibits abortion except where the pregnancy is the result of rape or where the health of the mother is at risk) is contrary to Sections 27 and 28 of the Constitution.
Of course this being Thailand the judgement gave 360 days before anything had to be done about it.
This is not my experience at all, but this is a case where I wish you are right.
My bigger point was however about this (censured), bragging here about coming inside the girls, after reassuring them he will absolutely not.
Or the way he likes to remove the condom in doggy before coming, when they cannot notice.What he is doing is criminal.
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My bigger point was however about this (censured), bragging here about coming inside the girls, after reassuring them he will absolutely not.
Or the way he likes to remove the condom in doggy before coming, when they cannot notice.Don't collapse in a state of incredulity, but it is not unknown for posters on ISG to embellish, distort, exaggerate, misrepresent and downright make things up to suit their argument de jure. So, in fact he might be bullshitting. Just a thought.
A new bar on Sukhumvit Soi 8 just opened a few days ago called 8 Bar. Interesting timing for a new bar to open smack in the middle of the biggest tourist area. Then again, Today @ 8 bar on the other side of the same soi has been very busy in the evenings during this period.
This new beer bar is totally open air. Has a pool table. There is little evidence of working girls yet, which is one of the things keeping Today @ 8 busy, imo. Well, my date and I walked by last night and I wasn't sure if the 2 girls we passed from 8 Bar waving us in were just drink servers or also hookers.
I stopped in a few clubs and restaurants on Soi 11 last night, Saturday night, to see how the freelancer scene on that soi is faring these days. Hemingway's (restaurant and bar)Is this the new location of the Hemingway's that used to be near Soi 23, in the old Thai villa? That was a great bar and restaurant.
Is this the new location of the Hemingway's that used to be near Soi 23, in the old Thai villa? That was a great bar and restaurant.I don't know if I would say it was near Soi 23. But it was near Asok, which is not very far from Soi 23 if that is what you meant. It used to be located on Soi 14 just past and to the left of Suda Thai restaurant and that little side soi where the original Som's Haven was located.
It is mostly a restaurant but does get quite a drink and mingle crowd after dinner hours.
I don't know if I would say it was near Soi 23. But it was near Asok, which is not very far from Soi 23 if that is what you meant. It used to be located on Soi 14 just past and to the left of Suda Thai restaurant and that little side soi where the original Som's Haven was located.
Ok, yep that's the place. I got my soi's mixed up a bit and was thinking Soi 21, which I use as a reference for Asok station. I know it's not really correct but it helps me with my visualisation of the area. Soi 23 is where Bradmans is, which I usually go to, hence why it came to mind.
Ok, yep that's the place. I got my soi's mixed up a bit and was thinking Soi 21, which I use as a reference for Asok station. I know it's not really correct but it helps me with my visualisation of the area. Soi 23 is where Bradmans is, which I usually go to, hence why it came to mind.I will add I saw a hot little hostess from another restaurant I have frequented in the past at the Hemingway's Soi 11 sitting with a couple of other girl friends all in seemingly full Freelancer mode. I hadn't seen her at that other restaurant for a while and wondered what happened to her. Maybe taking up a new or more exclusive career I hope.
I generally don't like to hit on or engage with hostesses or servers at restaurants I know I will frequent with other dates, particularly non P4P dates, so I had kept our exchanges to small talk nicities. But now I know where to find her for a more fulfilling experience. Possibly.
At that point when we gave each other big smiles and googoo eyes from across the room, I was already working another girl and left Hemingway's with her and her friend for another bar.
Don't collapse in a state of incredulity, but it is not unknown for posters on ISG to embellish, distort, exaggerate, misrepresent and downright make things up to suit their argument de jure. So, in fact he might be bullshitting.........Much of the reports of unprotected sex in Thailand is just that.
Much of the reports of unprotected sex in Thailand is just that.Even though I'm a condom guy it's always interesting to see if a gal will do BBFS. I would say well over 50% will easily agree to it on the first encounter. And on the second and third encounters the percentage increases.
Even though I'm a condom guy it's always interesting to see if a gal will do BBFS. I would say well over 50% will easily agree to it on the first encounter. And on the second and third encounters the percentage increases.Even during normal times, before the current dire economic circumstances while the girls today are supposedly more quickly and easily saying Yes to what customers ask of them, my rate of success in getting an UPFRONT agreement to it was running around 60% with girls I'd rate well above a go-go bar 7.
So I have little doubt the "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" guys who made no effort to pop one on at crunch time and/or were prepared to offer a tip to go bareback were scoring an even higher rate of success in getting it with girls of at least that level of attractiveness. During normal times.
Of course, if a customer never mentions it or asks for it and reaches for a condom at crunch time, his percentage of getting bareback in Thailand is going to be tiny, low single digits probably. Including today.
Franciscass
09-23-20, 12:26
Even though I'm a condom guy it's always interesting to see if a gal will do BBFS. I would say well over 50% will easily agree to it on the first encounter. And on the second and third encounters the percentage increases.Despite this supposed change in girls behavior during the pandemic I can tell you without fear of contradiction that there been no change. None of the girls I have met recently have insisted I fuck them bareback not a single one.
Even during normal times, before the current dire economic circumstances while the girls today are supposedly more quickly and easily saying Yes to what customers ask of them, my rate of success in getting an UPFRONT agreement to it was running around 60% with girls I'd rate well above a go-go bar 7.
So I have little doubt the "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" guys who made no effort to pop one on at crunch time and/or were prepared to offer a tip to go bareback were scoring an even higher rate of success in getting it with girls of at least that level of attractiveness. During normal times.
Of course, if a customer never mentions it or asks for it and reaches for a condom at crunch time, his percentage of getting bareback in Thailand is going to be tiny, low single digits probably. Including today.Exactly my findings over my time here. The majority will just let you go for it, especially if you get them well lathered up before hand.
Danny Duck
09-23-20, 21:06
Despite this supposed change in girls behavior during the pandemic I can tell you without fear of contradiction that there been no change. None of the girls I have met recently have insisted I fuck them bareback not a single one.You need to find girls who enjoy Sex with a 70 old man. They are out there. LOL.
Despite this supposed change in girls behavior during the pandemic I can tell you without fear of contradiction that there been no change. None of the girls I have met recently have insisted I fuck them bareback not a single one.Don't think I've ever said there's been a change. I found gals to be this way the entire two decades I've lived here. Insisted? Who said that?
You need to find girls who enjoy Sex with a 70 old man. They are out there. LOL.I have found many. I am 70. I am just wondering who these girls are fantasizing about when I am fucking them! Not a big deal to me if they are fantasizing. LOL.
Franciscass
09-24-20, 02:21
Don't think I've ever said there's been a change. I found gals to be this way the entire two decades I've lived here. Insisted? Who said that?Apologizes. I wasn't disputing anything you said. Shouldn't have used a reply to your post for what appears to be a failed attempt at irony on my part.
I have found many. I am 70. I am just wondering who these girls are fantasizing about when I am fucking them! Not a big deal to me if they are fantasizing. LOL.They might be fantasizing about me. I'm only 67. LOL.
Apologizes. I wasn't disputing anything you said. Shouldn't have used a reply to your post for what appears to be a failed attempt at irony on my part.No problem. Thanks for the clarification.
Franciscass
09-24-20, 06:17
You need to find girls who enjoy Sex with a 70 old man. They are out there. LOL.Agree. While on the one hand with the exception of an oddball handful with Elecltra complexes younger women naturally prefer the company of younger men yet when it comes to older guys in their late 60's and 70's who they are with for the money they will often admit to having a more satisfying sexual experience with these old codgers.
SpringChicken
09-24-20, 20:33
Anyone have experience with offdek.com? Seems too good to be true? Thank you.
Member #4698
09-24-20, 21:44
While on the one hand with the exception of an oddball handful with Elecltra complexes younger women naturally prefer the company of younger men yet when it comes to older guys in their late 60's and 70's who they are with for the money they will often admit to having a more satisfying sexual experience with these old codgers.Hey,
You are no longer invisible!
Of course, most young girls prefer the company of young men their own age and men up to 10 years older as the culture dictates. When I was in my 20's I was never asked to pay for sex with a hooker except in the USA. 555, and I refused their offers. But Argentinian, Brazilian, Caribbean, Chilean, Colombian, Costa Rican, and Venezuelan hookers all did me for free. And back then I could fuck all night without stopping. So yeah, I had a lot of fun travelling around SA back in the day on $5/ day.
Now I am in my 60's and I P4P in SE Asia. Money is not an issue. The hooker girls I am with now are benefiting from my years of sexual experience and wisdom. I can't fuck 6 times in a row anymore, ha ha, nevertheless I honestly think I am better at sex than I was at 20 or 25 because I now know how to turn a girl on and I am really into doing it. I am not saying the girls I fuck prefer me over someone their own age. That would be a very foolish notion, but I am saying that in the confines of my hotel room, one on one, just between us, a lot of my girls have orgasms, so it's a win win as far as everybody is concerned: they get paid good money plus they have a pretty good time in bed. But, don't tell their boyfriends. It is just between us.
Franciscass
09-25-20, 02:10
Hey,
You are no longer invisible!.Aw shucks.
Member #4733
09-25-20, 10:26
, but I am saying that in the confines of my hotel room, one on one, just between us, a lot of my girls have orgasms, In Porn movies the girls even enjoy anal and have orgasms. I know of a girl in Germany that came five times during a session. Unfortunately not mine. Pffffffffffff.
Anyone have experience with offdek.com? Seems too good to be true? Thank you.I don't have any experience with that particular website but those are totally normal prices for online freelancers in the Thai scene. This is why I've been saying go-go bar prices are just totally ridiculous, 4000+ baht an hour total cost for girls whose true value is about 1500.
GettingFedUp
09-25-20, 17:59
Anyone have experience with offdek.com? Seems too good to be true? Thank you.Either I am getting too cynical, Friday night in Pattaya has done my feeble brain in (it usually does) or a first time poster enquiring about a website never referenced on the forum before has some ulterior motive?
Answers on a postcard please to clickbait, care of feeble minded (on Friday nights) cynic, Pattaya, Chonburi, Thailand, 20150.
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SpringChicken
09-25-20, 19:06
I don't have any experience with that particular website but those are totally normal prices for online freelancers in the Thai scene. This is why I've been saying go-go bar prices are just totally ridiculous, 4000+ baht an hour total cost for girls whose true value is about 1500.Thank you. It seems similar to another site that is mentioned few times in this thread called finfin. Vip.
I am suspicious of some of the reviews (both sites have this feature) but I messaged two providers and they were responsive with good English.
The funny thing is even 1500 THB is not cheap compared to Germany.
Anyone have experience with offdek.com? Seems too good to be true? Thank you.From just a small sample of 3 girls on that site whose Line IDs I clicked on and got a reply:
- 500 baht surcharge for "non Thai customer," presumably meaning Caucasians, because "too big."
- 500 baht extra for outcall. Otherwise, in these cases at least, I was told I could go to a hotel just north of Chatuchak mrt/Mo Chit bts stations by taxi.
- Condom condom condom. "No condom no sex."
- No DFK. "Don't like."
- 500 baht surcharge for BBBJ+CIM. I know that contradicts what a couple of their profiles appear to be saying according to the clumsy translation of the Thai text, but that is what I was told by each of these three.
- 500 baht transfered in advance, no refund if you cancel or change an appointment. Apparently that is an Offdek rule and requirement since I think that is who gets the transfer. Not sure about that.
- In all three cases, the exchanges on those topics were initiated by the girl and seemed VERY hardcore hookerish and not at all like the image of otherwise innocent, unspoiled (by Farang customers) part time freelance Thai girls pressured by circumstances to trade sex for money some might imagine.
Again, it was only a small sampling of 3 girls. As always, Your Mileage May Vary.
Personally, I'd rather keep the 3,000 baht it would ultimately cost me to get a simple BBBJ+CIM in my room for a Short Time with any of those 20-22 year old hardened pros and take one of my sweet 22-23 year old regulars I met on ThaiCupid, ThaiFriendly or Tinder to dinner and get everything I want all night and the next morning for little more than 70% of that cost and most definitely 100% more fun and fulfilling pleasure. Or meet a new one on those sites or just around town for the same.
I am not knocking Offdek as a potentially rewarding source. I will probably try it with other girls again when I have some free time. Why not? There is no charge to browse and click around.
I have myself try to contact 2 girls. The first one read my message but didn't reply anything. The se ond one has been quite easy to chat with, English seems limited, but she did the effort (as I did to send simple sentences). She gave me the name of her hotel, confirmed BBBJ without mentioning any surcharge, and didn't seems to ask for any pre transfer. I didn't meet her yet, but might go very soon. I believe it depends a lot of the girl, and maybe also the location, maybe if they are in area empty of foreigner, they would less welcome us, for example the first one is in Rama 2 and second one that I chat with is in udom suk.
From just a small sample of 3 girls on that site whose Line IDs I clicked on and got a reply:
- 500 baht surcharge for "non Thai customer," presumably meaning Caucasians, because "too big."
- 500 baht extra for outcall. Otherwise, in these cases at least, I was told I could go to a hotel just north of Chatuchak mrt/Mo Chit bts stations by taxi.
- Condom condom condom. "No condom no sex."
- No DFK. "Don't like."
- 500 baht surcharge for BBBJ+CIM. I know that contradicts what a couple of their profiles appear to be saying according to the clumsy translation of the Thai text, but that is what I was told by each of these three.
- 500 baht transfered in advance, no refund if you cancel or change an appointment. Apparently that is an Offdek rule and requirement since I think that is who gets the transfer. Not sure about that..
I have myself try to contact 2 girls. The first one read my message but didn't reply anything. The se ond one has been quite easy to chat with, English seems limited, but she did the effort (as I did to send simple sentences). She gave me the name of her hotel, confirmed BBBJ without mentioning any surcharge, and didn't seems to ask for any pre transfer. I didn't meet her yet, but might go very soon. I believe it depends a lot of the girl, and maybe also the location, maybe if they are in area empty of foreigner, they would less welcome us, for example the first one is in Rama 2 and second one that I chat with is in udom suk.Looking forward to your followup report if you choose to post one.
Mine did not mention a surcharge for BBBJ, just for the CIM finish option. And, yes, it appears many profiles on the site mention an upfront transfer, but not all. I saw the required upfront transfer mentioned in a couple of customer reviews as well. Presumably from Thai customers.
Maybe that can be seen as a flag for potentially less than satisfactory service with Offdek as it can in other options; if the girl demands money upfront, buyer beware, you probably just paid for her to start focusing on something else, anything other than your pleasure.
Hey y'all,
Its been a few years since I've been back to Bangkok. Most recently AC & Pattaya.
For those of you that have been fortunate enough to continue this way of life. Have you found better results in gogos, online, thermae, soapies, etc?
With this new landscape due to Covid, it seems the results have been a bit scattered.
In previous trips, I've been accustomed to sticking to gogos & soapies for the most part. Specifically Rainbow Gogos & Bacarra.
But considering the current situation, I'm thinking I'd need to widen my playing field to fully take advantage.
Also, are going rates still 3 k ST, 5 k LT? Not incl. BF?
Idk Covid has really thrown me off my rhythm. That or its the whisky I'm getting shitfaced on right now LOL.
Looking forward to your followup report if you choose to post one.
Mine did not mention a surcharge for BBBJ, just for the CIM finish option. And, yes, it appears many profiles on the site mention an upfront transfer, but not all. I saw the required upfront transfer mentioned in a couple of customer reviews as well. Presumably from Thai customers.
Maybe that can be seen as a flag for potentially less than satisfactory service with Offdek as it can in other options; if the girl demands money upfront, buyer beware, you probably just paid for her to start focusing on something else, anything other than your pleasure.One good development is that a lot of girls are offering CIM or COF for a 300 baht surcharge. No need to get involved in a big negotiation because if they offer that it will be there in the advert. It's quite difficult to get a girl to agree to COF in most western-oriented places so it's good to have it upfront like that and the price seems fair.
Most of these women are milfs though posting heavily photoshopped or filtered pictures. I'm not sure they're much of an upgrade on what you can find in the oilies for a similar price. Here's a rare unphotoshopped body pic:
https://offdek.com/sideline/gm5MenNlk
And this is a "Top Star" girl.
Member #4698
09-29-20, 13:50
I'm not sure they're much of an upgrade on what you can find in the oilies for a similar price. Here's a rare unphotoshopped body pic:
https://offdek.com/sideline/gm5MenNlk
And this is a "Top Star" girl.My thoughts as well. I see some attractive girls on offdek and finfin, but nothing so amazing that I can't find it in my usual venues. Still I am glad these sites exist. The more sources the merrier and I intend to try both sites just for the experience and variety when I return to LOS. Call me "old school" if you want, but IMHO virtual internet sourcing will never be as good as reality sourcing ie finding a girl in a bar, massage parlor, or on the street. I would think that virtual sourcing is actually more time consuming and comes with a much higher risk rate of failure. The hit ratio can never be as good as physical reality based sourcing where there is the opportunity to talk to the girl, see her in her own environment, and appraise her attributes all without committing or in the bar situation for only the cost of drink or two. Besides, it is more fun to go out and find a girl compared to waiting around in an apartment or hotel room for a girl you have never met. It might see it a little differently if the internet girls were significantly better looking than the brick and mortar types, ha ha, but they are not, so what's the point?
Most of these women are milfs though posting heavily photoshopped or filtered pictures. I'm not sure they're much of an upgrade on what you can find in the oilies for a similar price. Here's a rare unphotoshopped body pic:
https://offdek.com/sideline/gm5MenNlk
And this is a "Top Star" girl.I agree. Also, although many of the poses and levels of undress are a bit sexier than what you generally see on ThaiFriendly, the overall look of most of the Offdek girls as depicted in their photos and allowing for photo-shopping or doctoring of the photos, is not dramatically better than what can be found on ThaiFriendly or Tinder, imo. I would expect to see the same 5 years older and 4 kilos heavier girl than she appeared in her photos when the door swings open as we do with ThaiFriendly girls. Not necessarily a deal killer. But there is no reason for me to think the pics on Offdek are any more accurate than other sites.
Still, I am fine with things being spelled out upfront and appreciated that from the girls I have Line chatted with so far even though none of their terms were acceptable to me this time around. That is, IF I was actually chatting with each of those girls and not to some Offdek phone rep or mamasan making all the decisions for them. None of my three Top Stars would agree to video chat for a moment "just to say Hello." So anything is possible.
Danny Duck
09-29-20, 19:25
I agree. Also, although many of the poses and levels of undress are a bit sexier than what you generally see on ThaiFriendly, the overall look of most of the Offdek girls as depicted in their photos and allowing for photo-shopping or doctoring of the photos, is not dramatically better than what can be found on ThaiFriendly or Tinder, imo. I would expect to see the same 5 years older and 4 kilos heavier girl than she appeared in her photos when the door swings open as we do with ThaiFriendly girls. Not necessarily a deal killer. But there is no reason for me to think the pics on Offdek are any more accurate than other sites.
Still, I am fine with things being spelled out upfront and appreciated that from the girls I have Line chatted with so far even though none of their terms were acceptable to me this time around. That is, IF I was actually chatting with each of those girls and not to some Offdek phone rep or mamasan making all the decisions for them. None of my three Top Stars would agree to video chat for a moment "just to say Hello." So anything is possible.Can someone explain,. Can do 69 if clean and odorless.
Danny Duck
09-29-20, 19:55
I've been following some Rainbow girls on their FB pages. Some utterly unrecognizable without their Mary kay cosmetics on.
Crocodilexp
09-29-20, 21:40
Most of these women are milfs though posting heavily photoshopped or filtered pictures. I'm not sure they're much of an upgrade on what you can find in the oilies for a similar price.
I can't find one single girl on the offdek website that looks like a regular Thai woman one sees in daily life. In addition to surgeries, they're so photoshopped that they appear to be from an entirely distinct alien race. As for Finfin, about 1-2 years ago, it used to feature normal-looking girls with regular pictures, but there are very few remaining.
Note that about half of the girls on these sites seem to be at a single place, Rachada Soi 17. Not a long soi by any means.
Can someone explain,. Can do 69 if clean and odorless.LOL. That has kind of been my rule on whether or not I will do 69 too. Well, more or less.
The new one for me is "Can not do fresh. Can not do bottom." I get that "bottom" probably means anal. But does "fresh" mean bareback? I can't remember ever seeing that word pop up in a translation for this subject matter. But, if so, I like it.
I can't find one single girl on the offdek website that looks like a regular Thai woman one sees in daily life. In addition to surgeries, they're so photoshopped that they appear to be from an entirely distinct alien race. As for Finfin, about 1-2 years ago, it used to feature normal-looking girls with regular pictures, but there are very few remaining.
Note that about half of the girls on these sites seem to be at a single place, Rachada Soi 17. Not a long soi by any means.They rent hotel rooms by the day on soi 17 and work out of them.
I've been following some Rainbow girls on their FB pages. Some utterly unrecognizable without their Mary kay cosmetics on.Share some! Curious what they look like bare fare LOL.
LOL. That has kind of been my rule on whether or not I will do 69 too. Well, more or less.
The new one for me is "Can not do fresh. Can not do bottom." I get that "bottom" probably means anal. But does "fresh" mean bareback? I can't remember ever seeing that word pop up in a translation for this subject matter. But, if so, I like it.Not fresh, no rubber bag, no BBFS.
Share some! Curious what they look like bare fare LOL.I've a nice regular working girls from Rainbow, she's about 23 and loves party and money! Usually she has her customers! But when she's alone without customer she go work in Rainbow. I met her in Rainbow the first time, and I booked her for ST. Now I've her Line, and she comes directly to me when I want fuck her! No need pay barfine anymore. I did it only 1 time.
She loves to drink, even little bit too much, but I've noticed when she's drunk, she takes lot of pleasure in sex! She loves to fuck when she's drunk! I think you can fuck her bareback without any problem! She never ask for condoms so you can really enjoy your time in her pussy.
Not fresh, no rubber bag, no BBFS.Yes, "rubber bag" is one of the better translations I have seen for "condom" while "fresh" is a nice way of translating the concept of "bareback," I suppose.
And many customers will be relieved to know a "rubber bag" can be purchased at the Offdek hotel before spending their time and money with the girl in case they didn't bring their own.
Bam Boom Bam
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Yes, "rubber bag" is one of the better translations I have seen for "condom" while "fresh" is a nice way of translating the concept of "bareback," I suppose.
And many customers will be relieved to know a "rubber bag" can be purchased at the Offdek hotel before spending their time and money with the girl in case they didn't bring their own.My favorite nice lady in BKK yesterday! What do you think?
Danny Duck
10-02-20, 23:49
My favorite nice lady in BKK yesterday! What do you think?Not feeling it.
Come on man.
My favorite nice lady in BKK yesterday! What do you think?Depends on what she provided in the room and for how much, the Value For Money ratio.
For me and only based on a photo and my assumption about how she really looks in person but which I know is often misleading about the true impression a girl makes in the flesh, she would be a borderline choice even if she agreed upfront to BBFS+CIP. I would lean closer to Yes if she also assured me she liked DFK, kept her pussy shaved or waxed as smooth as a billiard ball, would never dream of spitting instead of swallowing for me and 1,500 baht for LT including taxi is fine. That is, if I happened to have a free night for her, which is rare these days.
I just realized in conversation with a friend today that all but 1 girl I have been enthused enough about her overall VFM to repeat in the past 7 months have been girls I sessioned with PRE Covid and the shutdown.
Pickins and skill sets definitely declined in this area during the shutdowns and have not much improved during the struggling and spotty reopenings. I think as many if not more compromises have to be made by the remaining present customers as by the remaining present girls.
Thursday I have been to Jasmine massage today at 1.30 pm, and as recommended on another forum I asked for Kathy. I would say she is good looking to me, face is average, but body is very nice with nice curves. Went up, took my shower, told her not strong massage, and she started. She is very skillful, massage was great, very relaxing. She takes the time to go all over your body, giving some light Touch on the balls, ass. Then flipped and again nice Touch all over, with more attention to the balls. Then when she got me hard I started to grab her ass and her tits. I took out her tee shirt and bra, her tits are great, nice real medium size with beautiful nipples. Took out her pant and string, her ass is beautiful, nicely brown, round, perfectly shaved tight pussy. She started to be wet, putting 2 finger was not that easy, she is quite tight. Took the time to give a good fingering and a DATY, the pussy is sweet, smell good, and juicy. She cums while licking her, her body was shacking she was grabbing my head strongly, I loved it. Tried a finger in her ass and she didn't say no, put my thumb in and she started rubbing her pussy. I was excited as hell, and fucked her, she was enjoying it, then I tried to go in her ass. Not so easy but managed it, she didn't refuse me to alternate pussy to ass, room and bed are small so couldn't do so much position but in doggy her ass looked amazing that I couldn't contain myself anymore. Put her on her knee and cum it all on her mouth. She had a dirty look to me, then lick to get the last drop, aaaand. Swallow it after playing it a bit with her tongue. I fall in love with Kathy! Gave her first 1000 thb but her look was not so happy and as I had only 500 or 1000 note, I gave her the 500 more. She was happy, laughed and ask "why not 2000?" Which I told her 2000 would be for 2 shots. Would I meet her again, sure yes, and hopefully would bring her home that time to have a full experience without being discreet bc of her boss. Amazing girl, she is stunning and naughty!
Depends on what she provided in the room and for how much, the Value For Money ratio.
For me and only based on a photo and my assumption about how she really looks in person but which I know is often misleading about the true impression a girl makes in the flesh, she would be a borderline choice even if she agreed upfront to BBFS+CIP. I would lean closer to Yes if she also assured me she liked DFK, kept her pussy shaved or waxed as smooth as a billiard ball, would never dream of spitting instead of swallowing for me and 1,500 baht for LT including taxi is fine. That is, if I happened to have a free night for her, which is rare these days.
I just realized in conversation with a friend today that all but 1 girl I have been enthused enough about her overall VFM to repeat in the past 7 months have been girls I sessioned with PRE Covid and the shutdown.
Pickins and skill sets definitely declined in this area during the shutdowns and have not much improved during the struggling and spotty reopenings. I think as many if not more compromises have to be made by the remaining present customers as by the remaining present girls.Well she was perfect with me! She was already drunk, and she gave very good DFK! She loves that too! And I think with the alcohol, she feels everything! I start to fingering her in the bar and she likes this! Then she asked me if I want fuck her! I said yes! She asked me 3000 for ST but I negotiate to 2000 and she was OK. We took shower together and she started to make me a nice blowjob in shower which was really good. Then we went on the best, I licked her pussy during about 20 good minutes. She loves that! I was fucking horny and then I put my dick in her pussy. And when I was already fucking her she asks me if I can put a condom! I told her that I didn't have any condom and that I really would like fuck her without! Ans she let me do. She just asked to not come inside her pussy but I didn't listen her!
I creampie her, and I told her sorry. She wasn't angry, and finally I gave her 3000 instead of 2000.
She was happy.
My favorite nice lady in BKK yesterday! What do you think?Looks pretty good to me. Natural or fake boobs?
Member #4698
10-03-20, 14:51
My favorite nice lady in BKK yesterday! What do you think?Why do you care what others think of the girls you like? 1st, one photo is not always representative of the real girl. 2nd, tastes vary enormously. 3rd, other factors like personality, sexual performance and your personal vibe with the girl make up a substantial portion of your subjective opinion on any particular girl. Thus all that matters is that you like her and think she is hot.
Proof of all this is my opinion of your girl based solely on the one photo. I don't see anything special. I would rate her a 5 at best.
GettingFedUp
10-03-20, 16:56
My favorite nice lady in BKK yesterday! What do you think?Given you asked for thoughts. I think she's not in Bangkok.
I know you are not.
The rest is just so much, now what's the word I am looking for?
Be careful what you ask for. You may get it.
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10-03-20, 21:37
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Franciscass
10-04-20, 12:22
She just asked to not come inside her pussy but I didn't listen her.Always the gentleman.
Danny Duck
10-04-20, 17:51
Why do you care what others think of the girls you like? 1st, one photo is not always representative of the real girl. 2nd, tastes vary enormously. 3rd, other factors like personality, sexual performance and your personal vibe with the girl make up a substantial portion of your subjective opinion on any particular girl. Thus all that matters is that you like her and think she is hot.
Proof of all this is my opinion of your girl based solely on the one photo. I don't see anything special. I would rate her a 5 at best.Given that you think at best she is a 5. Methinks he grossly overpaid.
Member #4698
10-04-20, 21:32
Given that you think at best she is a 5. Methinks he grossly overpaid.I agree, but it is his money. He is free to do with it anything he wants.
Alex Deuce
10-05-20, 03:35
My favorite nice lady in BKK yesterday! What do you think?She's a cutie and would take her any day.
She's a cutie and would take her any day.Yeah, she appears in the photo to be in her 20's, fit and not fat, nothing objectionable about her face. If that proved to be true in real life and if the conditions and her upfront agreements were right and especially if she had a cute way about her in person, I would take her on one of my free nights and not regret it for a minute.
Anybody who wants to see a "5 at best" or how about a 2 at best, check out the 40-45 year old grandmas from Khon Kaen who click Interested on my TC and TF profile day and night or the vast majority of street girls and massage shop women offering Happy Endings in front of their shops around town that apparently SOMEBODY is keeping in the game by paying to get one from them sometimes.
Member #4698
10-05-20, 14:53
Anybody who wants to see a "5 at best" or how about a 2 at best, check out the 40-45 year old grandmas from Khon Kaen who click Interested on my TC and TF profile day and night or the vast majority of street girls and massage shop women offering Happy Endings in front of their shops around town that apparently SOMEBODY is keeping in the game by paying to get one from them sometimes.There are many 5 at best girls in the P4 P arena. The majority of girls in Go Go's are 5 at best, the majority of girls in oilies are 5 at best, and the majority of Sukhumvit Soi 4 SW's are 5 at best. There are a lot of girls to choose from if 5 star at best is your minimum requirement for looks and many might be great performers. You never know. My MO: I will sit down and order a drink in a Go Go or bar if I spot just 2 or 3 attractive, potential barfine girls that I consider 6 star or better, ie attractive, if not I keep on searching which is no big deal because I enjoy the hunt.
Now if you want to talk about unfuckable girls, let's talk about Chinatown SW's. Ooh Wee! 2 star at best. Man, they are a sorry lot. I believe 500 bhat is their going price. Then there are the Beach Road SW's & Sukhumvit SW's. Most are pretty unfuckable if you ask me. 4 star at best and a1000 bhat (which is negotiable) is their ask. But I occasionally spot a sexy one. Probably 1 in 500 is doable. However, the sexy ones go fast as you can imagine. Ha Ha.
I was excited as hell, and fucked her, she was enjoying it, then I tried to go in her ass. Not so easy but managed it, she didn't refuse me to alternate pussy to ass, room and bed are small so couldn't do so much position but in doggy her ass looked amazing that I couldn't contain myself anymore. Put her on her knee and cum it all on her mouth. She had a dirty look to me, then lick to get the last drop, aaaand. Swallow it after playing it a bit with her tongue. I fall in love with Kathy! Gave her first 1000 thb but her look was not so happy and as I had only 500 or 1000 note, I gave her the 500 more. She was happy, laughed and ask "why not 2000?" Which I told her 2000 would be for 2 shots. Would I meet her again, sure yes, and hopefully would bring her home that time to have a full experience without being discreet bc of her boss. Amazing girl, she is stunning and naughty!So it's one of the shops where the girls give a massage with their clothes on behind a curtain?
And you fucked her ass and she swallowed you behind the curtain?
Danny Duck
10-06-20, 01:13
So it's one of the shops where the girls give a massage with their clothes on behind a curtain?
And you fucked her ass and she swallowed you behind the curtain?Switching between the vagina and ass do you change condoms with every Switch. LOL.
Was not behind a curtain but room are not well isolated and as its not a kind of Addict massage or Mango massage, the girl are not suppose to fuck.
So it's one of the shops where the girls give a massage with their clothes on behind a curtain?
And you fucked her ass and she swallowed you behind the curtain?
They rent hotel rooms by the day on soi 17 and work out of them.Ratchada 17 hotels are typical incall setups. Bookers have a line "master" account. Girls may have their own line accounts. Bookers may send you links to girls they represent if you request. Don't think this is hidden really. Lie about age, bait and switch, photoshop, plastic surgery. It's all part of the industry.
It's no different than how Korean and Chinese run things in LOS Angeles. No different than any big city really.
For younger girls with decent bodies Butterflies is probably the overall best in Nana Plaza right now if for no other reason than the number of girls that fit that criteria.
However, if you aren't as concerned about younger girls and want better than decent bodies and probably better faces, Billboard would generally beat Butterflies on those counts.
Now for Nana, the only gogos worth visiting right now and if I was forced to only choose one gogo to visit, I would visit:
Based on attractive lineups, I would have to go with Rainbow 4 (for the more natural-looking girls).
Based on groping sessions, I would go with Rainbow 5 (for the cosmetic enhancements).
Based on just chilling without being constantly harassed by girls / mamasans, I would go with Butterflies (best open layout for sitting and viewing).
Based on all-around gogo experience, you can't go wrong with Billboard (all-around good).On the basis of these and other recommendations I decided to check out Billboard and Butterflies tonight. I walked out of Billboard within 10 seconds of walking in. Why? Because the music is played at ear-splitting volume. So I went to Butterflies and there's exactly the same problem. It's left me a bit perplexed. Firstly, why is nobody else mentioning this? I mean, in Butterflies there were about 5 customers and one of them had his fingers in his ears, one of them I saw complaining about the volume plus me so that's at least 60% who are not happy with it. Does it not bother the posters here who recommended these bars? Secondly, why do the managers do this? I've read on Stickman that these bars have hands-on American managers. I know they're paying him to big them up but I don't understand how they could be so out of touch with their customers, who are mostly middle-aged Western expats at the moment. Why would they think that deafening music would appeal to them? The main purpose of these bars is to facilitate interaction between customers and girls but that's not possible if people can't hear each other talking. It's a shame because there were a few nice girls in Butterflies who I would have liked to buy lady drinks for and maybe barfined but I had to leave after 15 minutes because my ears were starting to physically hurt. So sod these 2 places, I'm never going in them again.
Not much talent in Rainbow 4. Some of the girls were topless and none had a decent pair of tits. They were mostly bad silicone jobs and the others were too small. There was a fair number of MILFS among them as well. Maybe just a couple of girls there I would consider barfining. I left before finishing my drink because another customer was smoking. I thought the whole of Nana was no smoking now but every bar I went in was allowing smoking. I don't really understand the thinking behind this either because for every customer you win by allowing smoking you're probably going to lose two non-smokers. At least the music was played at a reasonable volume.
Twisters BKK had a nice lineup, music at a reasonable volume and nobody smoking so I was enjoying myself until the same idiots who had been smoking in Rainbow 4 walked in and immediately lit up. WTF? The world had this debate years ago and every country including Thailand agreed to ban smoking indoors so why are the bars in Nana allowing it?
Danny Duck
10-13-20, 22:02
On the basis of these and other recommendations I decided to check out Billboard and Butterflies tonight. I walked out of Billboard within 10 seconds of walking in. Why? Because the music is played at ear-splitting volume. So I went to Butterflies and there's exactly the same problem. It's left me a bit perplexed. Firstly, why is nobody else mentioning this? I mean, in Butterflies there were about 5 customers and one of them had his fingers in his ears, one of them I saw complaining about the volume plus me so that's at least 60% who are not happy with it. Does it not bother the posters here who recommended these bars? Secondly, why do the managers do this? I've read on Stickman that these bars have hands-on American managers. I know they're paying him to big them up but I don't understand how they could be so out of touch with their customers, who are mostly middle-aged Western expats at the moment. Why would they think that deafening music would appeal to them? The main purpose of these bars is to facilitate interaction between customers and girls but that's not possible if people can't hear each other talking. It's a shame because there were a few nice girls in Butterflies who I would have liked to buy lady drinks for and maybe barfined but I had to leave after 15 minutes because my ears were starting to physically hurt. So sod these 2 places, I'm never going in them again.
Not much talent in Rainbow 4. Some of the girls were topless and none had a decent pair of tits. They were mostly bad silicone jobs and the others were too small. There was a fair number of MILFS among them as well. Maybe just a couple of girls there I would consider barfining. I left before finishing my drink because another customer was smoking. I thought the whole of Nana was no smoking now but every bar I went in was allowing smoking. I don't really understand the thinking behind this either because for every customer you win by allowing smoking you're probably going to lose two non-smokers. At least the music was played at a reasonable volume.You not understand Thai business. Music is played for Thai DJ's. They don't care what you think.
I wear ear protection if that helps. Occasionally you see a staff member with ear plugs too.
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Franciscass
10-14-20, 02:56
You not understand Thai business. Music is played for Thai DJ's. They don't care what you think.
I wear ear protection if that helps. Occasionally you see a staff member with ear plugs too.I get the noise problem not just in go go's but in lots of bars also. It's actually a health and safety issue for those working in these places and as mentioned it's not going to entice in the over 50 target demographic.
Maybe it's just an age thing, I. E. If it's too loud you're too old.
You not understand Thai business. Music is played for Thai DJ's. They don't care what you think.
I wear ear protection if that helps. Occasionally you see a staff member with ear plugs too.The bars that forbid you to use your smartphone with Google Translate on it and crank the music volume up too high, like Crazy House, only want you to mistake a LD request of "tequila and coke" for some weird Thai cocktail and not for the 2 LDs it actually is.
Too loud music is the norm in Thailand where P4P girls are available. I remember sitting in Beer Garden Soi 7 many times in the past when the music was so loud two men sitting next to each other had to shout to be heard. No way could anyone ask a hooker a question and hear her reply. And there isn't even a stage, a show or dancing in Beer Garden Soi 7! It is just a place to eat, drink and TALK to someone next to you to see if she is the right choice for fucking and sucking.
MarquisdeSade1
10-14-20, 04:08
On the basis of these and other recommendations I decided to check out Billboard and Butterflies tonight. I walked out of Billboard within 10 seconds of walking in. Why? Because the music is played at ear-splitting volume. So I went to Butterflies and there's exactly the same problem. It's left me a bit perplexed. Firstly, why is nobody else mentioning this? I mean, in Butterflies there were about 5 customers and one of them had his fingers in his ears, one of them I saw complaining about the volume plus me so that's at least 60% who are not happy with it. Does it not bother the posters here who recommended these bars? Secondly, why do the managers do this? I've read on Stickman that these bars have hands-on American managers. I know they're paying him to big them up but I don't understand how they could be so out of touch with their customers, who are mostly middle-aged Western expats at the moment. Why would they think that deafening music would appeal to them? The main purpose of these bars is to facilitate interaction between customers and girls but that's not possible if people can't hear each other talking. It's a shame because there were a few nice girls in Butterflies who I would have liked to buy lady drinks for and maybe barfined but I had to leave after 15 minutes because my ears were starting to physically hurt. So sod these 2 places, I'm never going in them again.I've been in strip clubs around the world where smoking indoors is illegal for customers, and they all have smoking.
You ask why? Why not, its a brothel.
They are breaking many laws, I'm guessing smoking is their smallest offense.
Tax evasion, money laundering, drugs, etc etc etc etc.
When inspectors come in, you might want people smoking.
Something minor for them to give a citation for, take their nice kickback and leave.
MarquisdeSade1
10-14-20, 04:11
Switching between the vagina and ass do you change condoms with every Switch. LOL.How do you change condoms when you're not using one?
If you want to clean it when you switch just stick it in her mouth for a nice ATM, that's what I do.
Banana Boi
10-14-20, 04:36
The bars that forbid you to use your smartphone with Google Translate on it and crank the music volume up too high, like Crazy House, only want you to mistake a LD request of "tequila and coke" for some weird Thai cocktail and not for the 2 LDs it actually is.Crazy House in Bangkok is the only bar out of 1000's of bar visits where I have had a stunt like this pulled on me. Unlucky for the girl because she was the only girl I ever saw in Crazy House that was decent enough to barfine.
On the basis of these and other recommendations I decided to check out Billboard and Butterflies tonight. I walked out of Billboard within 10 seconds of walking in. Why? Because the music is played at ear-splitting volume. So I went to Butterflies and there's exactly the same problem. It's left me a bit perplexed. Firstly, why is nobody else mentioning this?I personally enjoy loud music as long as the dance music and sound system are good. Some gogo bars like Maxim in Pattaya have incredible sound and acoustics. For me the girls get really close to you to talk and that's when you just pull them to you and DFK them. If they squirm then no LD. Simple. Works for me.
I personally enjoy loud music as long as the dance music and sound system are good. Some gogo bars like Maxim in Pattaya have incredible sound and acoustics. For me the girls get really close to you to talk and that's when you just pull them to you and DFK them. If they squirm then no LD. Simple. Works for me.It doesn't bother you that each time you go to a bar like that you get a little bit deafer? And since when has anyone needed an excuse to get close to and DFK a gogo girl?
The bars that forbid you to use your smartphone with Google Translate on it and crank the music volume up too high, like Crazy House, only want you to mistake a LD request of "tequila and coke" for some weird Thai cocktail and not for the 2 LDs it actually is.
Too loud music is the norm in Thailand where P4P girls are available. I remember sitting in Beer Garden Soi 7 many times in the past when the music was so loud two men sitting next to each other had to shout to be heard. No way could anyone ask a hooker a question and hear her reply. And there isn't even a stage, a show or dancing in Beer Garden Soi 7! It is just a place to eat, drink and TALK to someone next to you to see if she is the right choice for fucking and sucking.I agree that most of the bars play music too loud but after two decades of visiting gogos (admittedly much less in the past few years) last night in Billboard and Butterflies was the only time I've actually felt staying in the bar would damage my hearing. If the managers want to make themselves deaf and drive away customers then that's their business. I can understand it in nightclubs where there's a lot of drug taking and dancing and loud music would intensify that but I just can't get my head around it in a go-go bar.
Crazy House in Bangkok is the only bar out of 1000's of bar visits where I have had a stunt like this pulled on me. Unlucky for the girl because she was the only girl I ever saw in Crazy House that was decent enough to barfine.
.. It is still alive and well in Crazy House and some other Bkk go-go bars.
Last week I popped into Crazy House and saw a girl I'd bought one LD for in Doll House Soi Cowboy ages ago but never took her. She must be mid 30's now and 5 kilos heavier with a butt pushing the envelope toward too big for my interest. But she still has great feeling silky smooth skin.
For the hell of it and to test this "the go-go girls are giving more now" theory I'd read about, I called her down for an LD. She tried to pull the "tequila and coke" scam on me. LOL. She also said absolutely No to Real Sex OR BBBJ+CIM with me with 2,500 baht to her sort of hanging in the air.
So much for that "more" theory and any notion of supposed desperation on the scene during these times. There was no other customer in the place at 9pm.
Then a couple of days later a girl in Rainbow 4 in Nana Plaza, lately merged with the crew from Rainbow 2 due to lack of customers, tried to pull the same "tequila and coke" scam on me. She was younger and better looking than the chubby older lady in Crazy House and the in bar chemistry could not have been sweeter after I shook her off the 2 LD scam. But she was another No to Real Sex OR BBBJ+CIM. And this time as much as 3,000 baht to her was sort of hanging in the air.
I do wonder what this "more" from go-go girls is that other punters and reports on sites like Stickman Bangkok are claiming the girls are now delivering during this dire economic downturn. 500-1000 baht discounts I can see happening and I am sure would have happened in those 2 cases if I had been interested in only the most dreary basic standard Thai P4P fare as it was in normal times. But, in my experience, "more" is not exactly flowing any more freely these days than during normal times.
YMMV.
You not understand Thai business. Music is played for Thai DJ's. They don't care what you think.
I wear ear protection if that helps. Occasionally you see a staff member with ear plugs too.Do they really need a DJ with 5 customers in the bar? Why not just create a playlist on a laptop, connect that to the speakers and play them at a reasonable volume? I think the customers would actually appreciate the change and it would save a lot of money. But I remember reading once I think on Stickman that a DJ refused to turn down the music so the bar manager in the Nana go-go bar threatened to sack him to which the DJ replied that if he tried that he'd have the manager shot.
HorseTrader
10-14-20, 18:33
I get the noise problem not just in go go's but in lots of bars also. It's actually a health and safety issue for those working in these places and as mentioned it's not going to entice in the over 50 target demographic.
Maybe it's just an age thing, I. E. If it's too loud you're too old.Loud music is the #1 reason that I don't spend more money in these bars. My normal process is to walk in, survey the situation, and walk out if the music is too loud or if there are no girls of interest. When I find a place that is acceptable, I'll order a drink. Will buy 1 it 2 lady drinks until I find what I want to bar fine. I almost never buy myself another drink. These places are too loud.
Banana Boi
10-15-20, 05:21
Do they really need a DJ with 5 customers in the bar? Most DJ's in bars also act as an extra security guard in case trouble starts. Some may be 'connected' in some way <insert whatever you think the DJ may be connected to>.
It doesn't bother you that each time you go to a bar like that you get a little bit deafer?Gogo bars aren't even loud compared to the nightclubs I used to go to every night in my 20's and early 30's. You know the ones where your heart feels like it's coming out of your chest! I loved it. The only monger club I have been to where music is too loud is FKK Mondial in Germany. Now that is some crazy loud in certain parts of the club. So loud they have free earplugs at the front door. You want loud in Thailand go to a real Thai disco. The girl is screaming at the top of her lungs right in to my ear and I can't hear sh1 t. The music is great though.
She also said absolutely No to Real Sex OR BBBJ+CIM with me with 2,500 baht to her sort of hanging in the air.
So much for that "more" theory and any notion of supposed desperation on the scene during these times.
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But she was another No to Real Sex OR BBBJ+CIM. And this time as much as 3,000 baht to her was sort of hanging in the air.
You're not offering to 'pay more' for BBFS like another member has told us to do numerous times already. We'll never learn I guess.
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