Bangkok Reports

[MomoFarang]

The first day, everything's fine, it's an amazing adventure. The next day, he wants to do this, but she's tired, she wants to check her phone, catch up with her friends, sleep, post her adventure. But she goes along. The 3rd day, he's bored, her glow has dissipated, and she's tired of his annoying habits (we all have them). I'm amazed that there aren't more homicides, one way or the other ... Money is a glue for awhile, but to put up with another person, any person, MY experience, has to be more than just a romp in bed or cash in hand. All those originally unseen imperfections start to become apparent on both sides. Fantasy is fine, but then reality sets in. Even LT, excluding sleep, how many hours are you really interacting with the other, and then having to do that sequentially for a number of days ... One of those ideas that seemed like a good idea at the time. But maybe I'm just a grump. Personally, in Thailand, I have my regulars, once a week sufficient for several, but for the other days, always looking for different. I'm sure they're happy with that arrangement too.

Been with my girl for nearly 14 years, dunno what you are talking about.

[HorseTrader]

I've done this and so has my buddy. If taking a non-P4P Thai girl on a long trip, we pay them whatever they lost from missing time at work. My buddy paid his government worker girlfriend the 30,000 per month that she claimed she earned, later I learned that she earned 20,000 baht per month. He also paid an airport worker the 18,000 for the month she missed work. I did similar with girls that I've taken away from work for a long period of time.

My buddy actually found a wonderful wife with that process. They have now been happily married for 4 years and living in USA. None of these girls were P4P, they all had jobs unrelated to sex industry. Probably even better if their jobs are unrelated to the tourist industry.

[Martin00]

Following the wise suggestion today I went and looks for gems! I started in Duagporn MP and had a nice session with a lady big tits and big smile. She definitely was a pro in the BJ, so I see the recruitment department is doing great on that front! 1200 bath in the small room.

Later on I went strolling soi 23 and saw some cuties in front of MP. I went to the one with most young and fit ladies, and picked a young 22 yo spinner. Perfect body, petite, silicon boobs but great tattoos all over! I could not resist so fucked her right away in a great session, enjoyed so much that fit body and her funny smile. The massage afterward was light, but I was not expecting much on that front. I took her number and definitely will invite her to my premises.

I stopped for a beer in Baccara where I also offered a lady drink and groped a bit a smiling lady that was offering her services. BF was 800 and she asked 3 k, LOL, I declined.

I headed back home to go to sleep, and passing by Nana Plaza my mind (or dick?) changed the plan. In the deluge of ladyboys, I spotted two young ladies sitting on a scooter. I stopped to talk to them, they were cute and actually sisters, lookalike. Slim, smiling, one speaking more English. I asked how much and said 1500ST, so I asked for both and was 3 k, for which I said 1 h and I want to come two times! They laughed, and said yes. Off we go to my place. What a session! The one speaking less English was very accommodating in terms of kissing, sucking, fucking. They were both petite and slim as I like, smiling, having fun. In the first round I shagged one, in the second round the second one, but all the time I was interacting with both. I did a threesome time ago but was a failure, but today was such a success that I'll repeat with them for sure!

BKK is harder than in the past, but there's still a lot to enjoy hidden among the turisty stuff.


You are correct. Lady Boys are proliferating all over lower Suk from Soi 1-28, especially around Sofitel and Hyatt to Soi 11. If you see a cute looking "girl", she is probably not a GG but LB. The only GG's I see in this area are woeful looking Milfs.
I don't know the going rate at Thermae as its pointless for farangs to go but not surprised to hear these prices and only Japanese punters appear willing to pay. NEP is even worse when you factor in bar fine, Lady drinks etc.

You have to now have some game and street smarts to be successful in BKK. Go to alternate locations, small bars, coffee shops, etc. And look for gems. They are around but it's a bit like sifting for gold in a stream. Patience and hard work now required.

[Bbbsjjjmi]

Hey Kaiser. Thanks for the great reports.

Thinking about going to the Pimp with the missus. Did you see any couples there? Wondering if they're fine with it or a bit offish?

[Member #4813]

Following the wise suggestion today I went and looks for gems! I started in Duagporn MP and had a nice session with a lady big tits and big smile. She definitely was a pro in the BJ, so I see the recruitment department is doing great on that front! 1200 bath in the small room.

Later on I went strolling soi 23 and saw some cuties in front of MP. I went to the one with most young and fit ladies, and picked a young 22 yo spinner. Perfect body, petite, silicon boobs but great tattoos all over! I could not resist so fucked her right away in a great session, enjoyed so much that fit body and her funny smile. The massage afterward was light, but I was not expecting much on that front. I took her number and definitely will invite her to my premises.

I stopped for a beer in Baccara where I also offered a lady drink and groped a bit a smiling lady that was offering her services. BF was 800 and she asked 3 k, LOL, I declined.

I headed back home to go to sleep, and passing by Nana Plaza my mind (or dick?) changed the plan. In the deluge of ladyboys, I spotted two young ladies sitting on a scooter. I stopped to talk to them, they were cute and actually sisters, lookalike. Slim, smiling, one speaking more English. I asked how much and said 1500ST, so I asked for both and was 3 k, for which I said 1 h and I want to come two times! They laughed, and said yes. Off we go to my place. What a session! The one speaking less English was very accommodating in terms of kissing, sucking, fucking. They were both petite and slim as I like, smiling, having fun. In the first round I shagged one, in the second round the second one, but all the time I was interacting with both. I did a threesome time ago but was a failure, but today was such a success that I'll repeat with them for sure!

BKK is harder than in the past, but there's still a lot to enjoy hidden among the turisty stuff. Anyone have an address for Duagporn massage parlor is? I cannot find it on google. Thanks MG.

[Tlito]

Anyone have an address for Duagporn massage parlor is? I cannot find it on google. Thanks MG.Is just off Ratchadapisek Road it is the first Soi when coming from Asok Sukhumvit intersection. Opposite city.

Point hotel.

Don't worry the girls will not let you walk past without letting you know they are around.

[11Bravo]

Duagporn (not) MP

Anyone have an address for Duagporn massage parlor is? I cannot find it on google. Thanks MG.I believe it was a misquote about MP. For me, Duagporn (Haven) is the real, but little used, name for the moved Som's Haven. Som's was originally off of Soi (8-12 somewhere in there), next to a POPULAR restaurant. A NUMBER of years ago, changed name, and it moved to a small Soi near Asoke, 1st small Soi on Ratchadaphisek (continuation of Asoke road) past Sukhumvit, walking towards Queen Srikit Convention Center, right hand side when walking away from Sukhumvit, across the soi from the City Point hotel. Google Maps, street view (still has the Manikin Pis, see attached)


Gems

Later on I went strolling soi 23 and saw some cuties in front of MP. I went to the one with most young and fit ladies, and picked a young 22 yo spinner. Perfect body, petite, silicon boobs but great tattoos all over! I could not resist so fucked her right away in a great session, enjoyed so much that fit body and her funny smile. The massage afterward was light, but I was not expecting much on that front. I took her number and definitely will invite her to my premises.I've certainly found a number on an afternoon's stroll down Soi 23. It might be someone else's slag heap, but for me, sifting through the tailings, some nuggets can be found.


Bier Garten

Hi guys, can anyone tell me me the biergarden is still open? I had some good luck there a few years ago. Thanks for any replies.In Nov 2022, an absolute SHELL of its former self. First visit around noon, literally EMPTY, seems like it was just opening, 3 waitresses, NO customers. Another visit, mid-afternoon, maybe a dozen old farts like me, a bit less WOMEN looking for company. Did not see the cute waitress I've seen there for a decade. It was like the end of the world. HOPEFULLY, it will pick up, especially with the beer bar area next to it. Otherwise, perhaps to be on the auction block for another hotel.


BC Pills

In my experience over the years most wg's who have been at it for any length of time will be using birth control pills, however, a frequent problem seems to be her forgetting to take it some nights, often due to too much alcohol, so even if she says she is "on the pill' it can't be 100% relied upon. The "morning after" pills are easily available here and often used too as a back up.That's what I would surmise, along with the forgetful attitude, along with a it won't happen attitude after the fact.


Its not the same as it was.

Thank you for sharing this info with us.
I kept on reading conflicting information about availability of freelancers in Bangkok and Pattaya. Many posters on this forum said it is almost back to pre pendamic levels but whenever I tried to analyze the beach road videos on you tube, I could easily figure out that the numbers are barely 20% of what they used to be.
For the first time in my mongering life, I had to cancel a ticket to Thailand. No use flying to the other side of world just to see mongering world hit by bombs. Its pretty bad in other countries as well.
Looks like we will have to wait few more months for scene to pick up a bit.My feeling on this always reminds me of the last scene in the The Wild Bunch: "It ain't like it used to be, but, uh, it'll do."

[11Bravo]

Absolutely. For anything more than a one-off ST, the girl's personality, attitude, and fun-factor is as important, if not more important than her looks alone.Agree 100%.


Been with my girl for nearly 14 years, dunno what you are talking about.Spending an hour with a girl, then thinking that same rapport will last a week ... Not saying it can't happen, my travel companion I've known 16+ years. All I'm saying is, I'd take her for a couple of sequential LT's in town BEFORE taking off for a week. That way, if EITHER wants to bail, it's easy.


I've done this and so has my buddy. If taking a non-P4P Thai girl on a long trip, we pay them whatever they lost from missing time at work. My buddy paid his government worker girlfriend the 30,000 per month that she claimed she earned, later I learned that she earned 20,000 baht per month. He also paid an airport worker the 18,000 for the month she missed work. I did similar with girls that I've taken away from work for a long period of time.Likewise, I pay my companion her monthly salary when she takes off of work (shop clerk). Food, travel costs, some souvenirs, clothes for her (what she SAVES me in my souvenirs worth the cost of hers), etc., covered, plus a red envelope at the end. She doesn't lose any money, makes a little extra, and has a (mostly) nice holiday (she does have to put up with me, good thing she has a sense of humor).

[Philosophus]

Thanks for the nice report.

[Nyezhov]

Where should I watch the Manchester you nited match tonight?

[11Bravo]

I'll still probably end up getting very lost and I'm sure that'll mark me out to the scammers on Patpong.Ignore the touts. You have your target, maintain heading (pun intended).


I had thought about Thermae too, but the thought of negotiating with a free lancer gives me a touch of anxiety, especially with the reports of them favoring the Japanese.WTF? You're a boxer, right? So you won't climb in the ring unless you know you can win? Like the bg's who instantly ask for a lady drink, this, for me, is one of those "it never hurts to ask" situations. What's the worst that can happen? My self-esteem is not so endangered that a few "NO's!!!!" with contorted faces will crush me. Been there, done that. It's just entertainment, check out the scene, can't hurt, and at least you can say you've been there. And who knows ... Like Rush says, "Roll the Bones, if the dice are hot, take a shot".


I was under the impression that the Coyotes would be easily distinguishable from the rest, but I guess I was wrong about that. It's a pretty smart idea tbh.Why I hate coyotes so much, they're just clutter / chaff, obscuring the real targets.


You have a valid point about the shower. For me it's just not built into my sexual escalation ladder, so I'll have to squeeze it in. I suppose it could also help make her feel comfortable for me to bring it up.NO need to bring it up. I might offer her a drink first, some chatter, but before ANY romantics, you just say "Shower?" as YOU head towards the shower. Some girls will shower in parallel, others sequential. But it's just a GIVEN BEFORE, my experience anyway.


I did this with the coyote at King's Castle since she was smelling her hair a lot. I just didn't know the Thai word, but I don't think she bought it. Her hair just smelled like her hair, but maybe she prefers the smell of perfume.Subtle difference, it's not the hair, it's skin. Sniff her cheek, neck, etc, not hair, then "hom".


The PIMP is pretty pricey BTW. For daytime massage parlors would be your best bet. Smooci, sideline, any other escort and MPs where you choose from photos will likely leave you disappointed. Try to go to an MP and see the lineup in person. There are BJ bars as an alternative option.I certainly prefer an MP LIVE line-up, but a few seem to streamline the process using tablets not a live lineup. I did find the web photos of Kokoro to be accurate. Don Quixote uses a tablet but I already had someone in mind given a previous FR. As mentioned previously, a stroll down Soi 23 CAN be productive. Soi 24/1 can be worth a look (seems Snow White will be resurrected, another INSTITUTION, but like Annies, I'll wait and see), there is always Soi 26's jill-in-a-box for a cheap thrill (walk away from Sukhumvit, right hand side of Soi 26).


(Lady drink for a mamasan) True, but it can help get her attention more quickly if I'm going to be spending some time there.Fine, if she gets me into the lifeboat faster, OK. But for ME, the cost is usually not worth any advantage unless I'm a frequent visitor, and then, she should recognize me anyway.


I agree about the attitude. Perhaps I should try that, but so far all the girls and all the mamasians immediately ask if I'll buy the lady drink. I thought it was standard practice since there might be some punters trying to get something for free. I read some emails on Stickman about brown people (colored in the original email) who split a single beer and a single woman amongst a large group of men. I wouldn't be surprised if there are other brown people who try and get a little company without having to buy the lady drink. Since I'm aware of the stereotype, I don't know what the effect of trying to postpone the First Lady drink a little bit would be.OK, full disclosure: I'm Aryan: blonde hair, blue eyes, BAD attitude; nobody mistakes me for anyone else. I'm there as a single, order MY drink (full disclosure, I'm selfish, I don't like to share). But an INSTANT request for a lady drink is one of those "it never hurts to ask" questions. Knowing a FEW words of Thai is a big advantage as it marks you as "experienced". On the street, a "my pie" keeps the tuk-tuks and street touts away. In the bar, a "shaw shaw" (slowly slowly), MY interpretation, is "I know the scene, I'm interested, so convince me I'm correct". A lady drink is not a given UNLESS there seems to be some potential and SHE has to convince ME of that. Her MERE presence is NOT sufficient. Granted, I might lose a number (that's number plural, not a specific number pin), but, fine. It's an audition for that night's starring role. I do understand it's business, and what the business model is NOW (unfortunately). If she is entertaining, has a great attitude, there is potential, fine, I will buy a lady drink for her, and continue the audition. But pretty quickly, I'll bring up the potential of a bar fine to cut my losses, financial and time, in case it's a not. You can bar fine, and if she bar fines, then check willingness (there I expect an honest answer, coyote, period, not-with-you, etc). And I do understand that too many of your refusals will mark you as a "waste of time". Might be a fine line, but I know I can always reset the scale by changing bars.


(Line contact) This is a good guide on how to approach it, thanks! My intent was primarily for the convenience and perhaps instead of spending time in a noisy, smoky bar, I could arrange a slower paced lunch date or something. I guess that's off the table unless she's freelance then.I've never tried for a "lunch date". Might be possible, but I realize my own limitations, and my "hansum man" days were decades ago, if ever. For an MP, it eases booking; you know she will be there and available. For a bar, you know which bar (if it's a return visit), she'll be there, and if you arrive early, a good shot (pun intended) with her. Gives her something to think about when she gets another offer. I certainly don't expect her to wait all night, and I don't expect her to turn down all offers, it is business, AND I am NOT a safety net. It should be a mutual advantage. One miss, OK, two misses ... the ole "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me". It just might give you a slight edge in HER evening's plans. YMMV.

[Allover]

Anyone have an address for Duagporn massage parlor is? I cannot find it on google. Thanks MG.Type "Duangporn Haven" into Google maps and it will show you the location.

[Somewhere15]

I went to Bangkok last month. I visited few clubs in Sukhuvmit Soi 11, Levels and Sugar Club. Not much girls able to pick up compare with Insanity club. Anyone can recommend which nightclub is easy to pick up in Bangkok? Thanks in advance.Last night around 01:45 Insanity Soi 11 (on the end of So1 11 and towards the entry of Fraser Hotels) it was closed.

Can anyone give an update?

[Houston Player]

Last night around 01:45 Insanity Soi 11 (on the end of So1 11 and towards the entry of Fraser Hotels) it was closed.

Can anyone give an update?Permanently closed.

[Lcale1982]

Checked out patpong for the first time, was nice walking thru the japanese club and seeing all the ladies on display out side. Easier to pick and choose who you like but we werent up for karaoke today. Ended up going to I believe Badabing and ladies here didn't have any numbers so mamasan would use a laser to point at them. They also brought the entire lineup in front of us right when we got our drinks. Kind of pushy to have us pick someone but nice to see them all instead of having to wait for them to get on stage during the rotation change. Lady drinks seems standard 220 each, but they had this booth with drapes and it was 1500 to close the drapes for nude show and 2500 for BJ, geez that steep. It was pretty dead inside around 9 pm maybe that's why, prices just too high. Forgot to find out bar fine price but didn't think it'd be cheap with those other rates so high already.

[Detwing1]

I went to Bangkok last month. I visited few clubs in Sukhuvmit Soi 11, Levels and Sugar Club. Not much girls able to pick up compare with Insanity club. Anyone can recommend which nightclub is easy to pick up in Bangkok? Thanks in advance.My main targets are freebies, since I like the chase (although I hit up the local BJ bars if I strike out).

I've had much better luck in Tinder and FB dating than clubs, as far as picking up "freebies".

Sugar club has also been good to me in the past, but understand that most girls available to farangs in clubs like this are P4 P, especially in this area.

If you're after freebies, a lot of it depends on how long you're here. If you're only here on a week or 2 week holiday, and the girl knows it, forget about freebies and stick to P4 P.

Most of the freebies I've had here take time to cultivate.

Its definitely easy to tag freebies in BKK, if you've got time and patience. I've pulled a ton of them- a few, I've been able to have my way on the first date, but that's not normal.

[Banana Boi]

but they had this booth with drapes and it was 1500 to close the drapes for nude show and 2500 for BJ,Didn't know this was a thing at Badabing. How many girls were there? Were they pretty? It was pretty bad in October but that's outdated information.

Not sure why any single guy would opt for this when 4000 total would roughly be the price for ST at your hotel.

[Cha Chumplin]

Didn't know this was a thing at Badabing. How many girls were there? Were they pretty? It was pretty bad in October but that's outdated information.

Not sure why any single guy would opt for this when 4000 total would roughly be the price for ST at your hotel.We're they Pretty? No way in San Jose. Hahaha.

[Lcale1982]

Didn't know this was a thing at Badabing. How many girls were there? Were they pretty? It was pretty bad in October but that's outdated information.

Not sure why any single guy would opt for this when 4000 total would roughly be the price for ST at your hotel.Maybe I'm mistaken and it was a different go go but one side had regular seats and other side and the booth with drapes, I think only 2 booth. I'd only pick like 2 out of the 20 that was there to take home. Weird notice a lot of girls had pig tails at Patpong went in a few other bars too.

[Bill Buxton]

After visiting Thermae Cafe and not wanting the crazy crowds of Nana, or Cowboys Escorts were the answer.

For the most part the girls at Thermae want Asian men and white guys take somewhat of a second place. I heard this after asking a few girls the drill. Small Dick's and quick release is the reason. A freelancer can run 1-2-3 customers a night while the bar is open. ST is the preferred method by most gals working the bar, and frankly overnight is limited to a small few. Sure they will go but in there mind they know what they need to make that night. Quality is in the eyes of the beholder, this said all shapes and sizes are available for your pleasure. Not many 9-10's but who wants all the baggage comes with the prom queen frankly. I have had bad service with a stunner and great service from a girl next door type. If you visit later 9-10 pm the 30-40 girls at that HR will be thinking about maybe No Money so will be often times willing to go with a white guy. Lowering her standards so to speak, HaHa.

Escorts on the other hand are readily available at any HR. Hotel service is easy and quality is all over the map. Some sites photo shop the shit out of their models and pictures might be a year or two old. 27 might be the new 18 for some gals and there agency partners. Get hooked with Line on your phone, they all want to evade the 20-40% the agency takes from them. They all have friends also needing some quick cash and will often Times contact there friend after your finished with them at a lower price. This gives you the ability to build a war chest Fo contacts fast. I myself don't want the loud noises and drunken crowd and a bunch of required Ladies Drinks. A few years back sure but not now, hunting is fun sure but quiet and quality is my thing now. After an initial visit from a service you can find what your looking for easy. Some are great finds while others might have great looks and substandard service. So what's the difference? Sounds like going out and bringing back a hot 18 year old finding she hates this or will not do that.

Whatever your choice all things considered you can have a wonderful existence here and doing what's most comfortable for you.

Stay Safe.

BB.

[11Bravo]

We're they Pretty? No way in San Jose. Hahaha.Is that a BOTG first person observation (date, time), or just wishful thinking?

For the real punters, any eyes on status of SOL?

Stick had an interesting column this week on the gogo bars' evolution.

[EihTooms]

Is that a BOTG first person observation (date, time), or just wishful thinking?

For the real punters, any eyes on status of SOL?

Stick had an interesting column this week on the gogo bars' evolution.I have passed through the little arcade where Star of Light was located a few times over the past 2-3 months. The last time was maybe a week ago. I have never seen it open or any girls sitting outside or near it in all that time. Just the shuttered or boarded up door and window, no sign or indication there ever was a place called "Star of Light" there.

There is another bar or shop, whatever, a bit further up that arcade called Star-something or something-Star, I forget. I have only seen a couple of Ladyboys sitting outside that one. Maybe they put "Star" in the name on the sign just to rake in a few unsuspecting newbies who read these sites, saw the stuff about the old Star of Light bar and think they're going to get a classic, skanky Bangkok BJ-in-the-bar experience with a female in there.

[Nyezhov]

Is that a BOTG first person observation (date, time), or just wishful thinking?

For the real punters, any eyes on status of SOL?

Stick had an interesting column this week on the gogo bars' evolution.I'm not a "real punter" since I don't write long trip reports giving all and sundry my thoughts on how a Thai girl thinks, but I'm on the ground. SOL wasn't there when I strolled though PP the other night.

[Nyezhov]

After visiting Thermae Cafe and not wanting the crazy crowds of Nana, or Cowboys Escorts were the answer.

For the most part the girls at Thermae want Asian men and white guys take somewhat of a second place. I heard this after asking a few girls the drill. Small Dick's and quick release is the reason. A freelancer can run 1-2-3 customers a night while the bar is open. ST is the preferred method by most gals working the bar, and frankly overnight is limited to a small few. Sure they will go but in there mind they know what they need to make that night. Quality is in the eyes of the beholder, this said all shapes and sizes are available for your pleasure. Not many 9-10's but who wants all the baggage comes with the prom queen frankly. I have had bad service with a stunner and great service from a girl next door type. If you visit later 9-10 pm the 30-40 girls at that HR will be thinking about maybe No Money so will be often times willing to go with a white guy. Lowering her standards so to speak, HaHa..The girls who dress Japanese style are the ones pulling fast multi Asians. They squeal too much for me.

[Pgaka]

Arrived today, very tired as my flight canceled and did not sleep 34 hours. It was hard to get out and find something so I decided to check Sideline. I choose Poo (24 years on website), on pictures it looks innocent, so I connect with her immediately and decided to go 2 shots 2000 thb 90 min (mistake because I'm so tired). She tell me that she waiting me in hotel and when I came in front of hotel to let her know. Traffic was chaotic so I was 10 min late. She opened the door, totally different person. She greeted me and I came inside room. Take a shover and we started. She have nice skin, tight pussy, good sucking without condom, we go 69 without problem, I tried to put finger in ass a little and she just moan. Then she put condom and was on me, fast rhythm, and I dinish very quick. After 20 min 2nd round, chit chat, she don't know English, barely. She has 28 yeas now so age and picture are not true. Will I repeat? For sure no because 2nd time I see that she just wait for time to finish, and I was without energy so maybe I am guilty a little. Also, would not repeat because I kove when girl is cute, she was not when compare pictures and in live. Everyone who want to try Sideline, go try, its cheap, it is very easy to make contact with them.

[Banana Boi]

They squeal too much for me.I just tell any girl anywhere the more they make fake orgasmic noises the longer I take. Not surprisingly, the fakeness disappears after one simple criticism.

[AlwaysHorny 2]

Finally here. Nothing went right. The flight was late leaving Seoul. Then my checked bag seemed like it was the last one in baggage claim. Got ripped at the cash exchange. Equivalent of $7 for $100. What's worse was the ATM with the surcharge and the rip in rate.

Get in the taxi and the mf said 700 baht. He also had a towel covering the meter. I'm like wtf, so he countered with 500 baht. I asked does the meter work? Reluctantly, he turned on the meter. The cost was around 225 baht and let him keep the change.

Got my bearings and briefly settled in the room. It was getting close to 2 am and I just wanted to peep the vibe. Yuck, yuck, and more yuck. I didn't go into any bars / go-go's. Everything on the street was trash. I'm not sticking my penis in any of that even if it is free. I did see a couple cuties in the door crack of one of the go-go's. The only thing I remember about it is that it's on the first floor of Nana plaza.

Wanted to eat before I called it a night and got a Bangkok burger on Suk 11. More yuck. I'm literally getting this out my system as I type. I have 4 more nights in Bangkok and then off to Rawaii / Phuket. At least there I can take excursions and enjoy the beach. I think I'm either getting too old (late 40's) or my days of mongering are coming to andend. If I'm going to pay, the be*tch better outclass what I can pick up for free. This is sad. Going to put some real work into TF tomorrow.

[Axel Heyst]

i just tell any girl anywhere the more they make fake orgasmic noises the longer i take. Not surprisingly, the fakeness disappears after one simple criticism.555 / kkk.

[Lcale1982]

Finally here. Nothing went right. The flight was late leaving Seoul. Then my checked bag seemed like it was the last one in baggage claim. Got ripped at the cash exchange. Equivalent of $7 for $100. What's worse was the ATM with the surcharge and the rip in rate.

Get in the taxi and the mf said 700 baht. He also had a towel covering the meter. I'm like wtf, so he countered with 500 baht. I asked does the meter work? Reluctantly, he turned on the meter. The cost was around 225 baht and let him keep the change.

Got my bearings and briefly settled in the room. It was getting close to 2 am and I just wanted to peep the vibe. Yuck, yuck, and more yuck. I didn't go into any bars / go-go's. Everything on the street was trash. I'm not sticking my penis in any of that even if it is free. I did see a couple cuties in the door crack of one of the go-go's. The only thing I remember about it is that it's on the first floor of Nana plaza.

Wanted to eat before I called it a night and got a Bangkok burger on Suk 11. More yuck. I'm literally getting this out my system as I type. I have 4 more nights in Bangkok and then off to Rawaii / Phuket. At least there I can take excursions and enjoy the beach. I think I'm either getting too old (late 40's) or my days of mongering are coming to and end. If I'm going to pay, the be*tch better outclass what I can pick up for free. This is sad. Going to put some real work into TF tomorrow.I found most of the ladies in BK TF are not workers. Pattaya, though, they're like all workers. After quite a few not worker / ignore stopped trying TF in BK. Just checked out Thermae, Fiwfans, and some go go, beer bars.

[11Bravo]

I have passed through the little arcade where Star of Light was located a few times over the past 2-3 months. The last time was maybe a week ago. I have never seen it open or any girls sitting outside or near it in all that time. Just the shuttered or boarded up door and window, no sign or indication there ever was a place called "Star of Light" there.

There is another bar or shop, whatever, a bit further up that arcade called Star-something or something-Star, I forget. I have only seen a couple of Ladyboys sitting outside that one. Maybe they put "Star" in the name on the sign just to rake in a few unsuspecting newbies who read these sites, saw the stuff about the old Star of Light bar and think they're going to get a classic, skanky Bangkok BJ-in-the-bar experience with a female in there.Thanks for the update. 3 years ago, just as the pandemic was starting, poorly staffed, only a couple of girls. For old times sake, I did take one. She didn't recognize the names of girls I knew from the year before, saying she'd only been there for a couple of months. Did make me laugh when she said, as she Listerined her mouth, "no virus here". Perhaps Covid was the end, but who knows? Look at Rose bar, how many lives has that place had? But always sad when an institution expires.


I just tell any girl anywhere the more they make fake orgasmic noises the longer I take. Not surprisingly, the fakeness disappears after one simple criticism.Also works on the "you come yet?", "you finish now" types. Like you, I just say every time they say that, takes me longer. Also make a mental note "single use only".

[Houston Player]

Maybe I'm mistaken and it was a different go go but one side had regular seats and other side and the booth with drapes, I think only 2 booth. I'd only pick like 2 out of the 20 that was there to take home. Weird notice a lot of girls had pig tails at Patpong went in a few other bars too.This was not Badabing. You were in the 2nd bar on the right when entering from the BTS side. Badabing is further into the Soi on the left.

[Lucky Nuts]

Just want to drop a quick report as I'm now in Pattaya. I stayed in a hotel right next to Nana Plaza and spent all four nights in the gogos. The first night, Thursday, was a slow night as I expected from other reports I read here. But Friday Saturday and Sunday were all crazy busy. From my memory it seemed almost the same as my last trip four years ago. More importantly the girls treated me, this 60 year old white guy, very well. Almost no problems with girls not wanting bar fines. One did refuse and Mama said she never goes because she is married. One other at Butterflies the Mama insisted I pay the girl her money before we go so that barfine didn't happen. My only other slight was being ignored by the hotter girls whenever young Koreans are in the club. You would think these guys are all celebrities and maybe they are 555. But after those guys leave it was no problem to have the hottest chicas come to me and even to barfine. And service in the room was very good. All barfines were 1000 except one place 700 and all girls were 3000. I had an awesome 4 nights at Nana. So never even walked down to Cowboy to check it out.

I worked thaifriendly hard for the couple weeks before my trip. After arriving I video chatted a couple and quickly lost interest. Others ignored my request to Vchat. One did come over but I wasn't interested and gave her some taxi money (although she lived nearby and walked over I'm pretty sure). So I quickly realized that since the smorgassboard of Nana gogo hotties was right in my backyard no need to put all the effort into finding a TF girl that meets my physical specs. I could just pay a little more and pick her off the stage. And I'm just a short time guy not looking to wife up or spend more than an hour or so in the room anyhow. So TF was fun to work and get me into the mindset for Thailand but didn't get me any girls to my room. Your mileage may vary especially if you're looking for more than short time.

[The Kaiser]

Hey Kaiser. Thanks for the great reports.

Thinking about going to the Pimp with the missus. Did you see any couples there? Wondering if they're fine with it or a bit offish?There were a few women who didn't appear to be working, but I'm not too certain. I think it'd be fine. All they're after is your cash after all. I'm not sure if the service will be as good if you don't plan to avail the company of any of the girls though. For the best time, I suggest taking a couch and a couple of ladies. Go on one of their event nights for a special show. I'm pretty sure they have them on Fridays.

For the record, I saw quite a number of ladies in other Gogo bars. Quite a few were bored wives and girlfriends who were accompanying their horny men. A few of the women seemed to enjoy the logos though. Compared to Nana and Patpong though, the PIMP is a much classier affair, so I would think it's a better place to visit with your partner. That's just my two cents.


Ignore the touts. You have your target, maintain heading (pun intended).Aye aye, captain!


WTF? You're a boxer, right? So you won't climb in the ring unless you know you can win? Like the bg's who instantly ask for a lady drink, this, for me, is one of those "it never hurts to ask" situations. What's the worst that can happen? My self-esteem is not so endangered that a few "NO's!!!!" with contorted faces will crush me. Been there, done that. It's just entertainment, check out the scene, can't hurt, and at least you can say you've been there. And who knows ... Like Rush says, "Roll the Bones, if the dice are hot, take a shot".Ultimately the one night I had planned to hit Thermae, I got caught up in a phone call that lasted longer than I expected it to. I'll definitely have to save it for my next visit now. In retrospect, I spent too much time with outcalls, MPs, and Sideline. Gogos are definitely the creme de la creme and I expect the Freelance bars to be similar in quality. Just need to head there and have a backup plan.


NO need to bring it up. I might offer her a drink first, some chatter, but before ANY romantics, you just say "Shower?" as YOU head towards the shower. Some girls will shower in parallel, others sequential. But it's just a GIVEN BEFORE, my experience anyway.What you described is how I would bring it up. I would first start with a little kissing, but clothes on, give some heavy eye contact and then whisper it into her ear. This is how I had planned to incorporate I, but never got a chance to field test it.


Subtle difference, it's not the hair, it's skin. Sniff her cheek, neck, etc, not hair, then "hom".I used this as soon as you suggested it. I used it on the neck for a couple and then doubled up with "Yim Sui Mai" with her resultant smile. I used it for the hair of one of the girls because her hair genuinely smelled AMAZING! More details in my upcoming report.


I certainly prefer an MP LIVE line-up, but a few seem to streamline the process using tablets not a live lineup. I did find the web photos of Kokoro to be accurate. Don Quixote uses a tablet but I already had someone in mind given a previous FR. As mentioned previously, a stroll down Soi 23 CAN be productive. Soi 24/1 can be worth a look (seems Snow White will be resurrected, another INSTITUTION, but like Annies, I'll wait and see), there is always Soi 26's jill-in-a-box for a cheap thrill (walk away from Sukhumvit, right hand side of Soi 26).Kokoro photos DO look much less edited, but no one caught my eye, so I never bothered visiting. That said, after my poor judgment at 101, I much prefer the bar scene. I have the course of a lady drink to truly inspect my potential target before pulling the trigger.


Fine, if she gets me into the lifeboat faster, OK. But for ME, the cost is usually not worth any advantage unless I'm a frequent visitor, and then, she should recognize me anyway.With your advice, I decided to forego all mamasan drinks, and you're right. It's rarely worth the trouble unless the service is exceptional, so I've adjusted my perception to view it as a tip that has to be earned. I sometimes tease them saying I'll think about it later, and for those who are too pushy, I began to outright refuse them and ignore repeated attempts.


OK, full disclosure: I'm Aryan: blonde hair, blue eyes, BAD attitude; nobody mistakes me for anyone else. I'm there as a single, order MY drink (full disclosure, I'm selfish, I don't like to share). But an INSTANT request for a lady drink is one of those "it never hurts to ask" questions. Knowing a FEW words of Thai is a big advantage as it marks you as "experienced". On the street, a "my pie" keeps the tuk-tuks and street touts away. In the bar, a "shaw shaw" (slowly slowly), MY interpretation, is "I know the scene, I'm interested, so convince me I'm correct". A lady drink is not a given UNLESS there seems to be some potential and SHE has to convince ME of that. Her MERE presence is NOT sufficient. Granted, I might lose a number (that's number plural, not a specific number pin), but, fine. It's an audition for that night's starring role. I do understand it's business, and what the business model is NOW (unfortunately). If she is entertaining, has a great attitude, there is potential, fine, I will buy a lady drink for her, and continue the audition. But pretty quickly, I'll bring up the potential of a bar fine to cut my losses, financial and time, in case it's a not. You can bar fine, and if she bar fines, then check willingness (there I expect an honest answer, coyote, period, not-with-you, etc). And I do understand that too many of your refusals will mark you as a "waste of time". Might be a fine line, but I know I can always reset the scale by changing bars.I've set up a limit of a max of 2 lady drinks before bringing up the bar fine. I've found that to be the optimal time for me to be certain and also build a little chemistry. There are exceptions where I've felt I can pull the trigger after a single drink too. There were 2 girls whose lady drinks were technically 2 drinks (whiskey / soju and coke). I've now added that to my list of red flags. The first drink is now the cost of business, but the second one HAS to be earned. If I were still in BKK, I might have tried the shaw shaw line. I'm afraid it would sour a lot of potential interactions, as well as earn a few refusals, but without some field testing, I can't be certain. Plus I'm sure a little charm may help it go down more smoothly, so I definitely see it as something worth fine tuning so cut costs and streamline the selection process.


I've never tried for a "lunch date". Might be possible, but I realize my own limitations, and my "hansum man" days were decades ago, if ever. For an MP, it eases booking; you know she will be there and available. For a bar, you know which bar (if it's a return visit), she'll be there, and if you arrive early, a good shot (pun intended) with her. Gives her something to think about when she gets another offer. I certainly don't expect her to wait all night, and I don't expect her to turn down all offers, it is business, AND I am NOT a safety net. It should be a mutual advantage. One miss, OK, two misses ... the ole "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me". It just might give you a slight edge in HER evening's plans. YMMV.This seems like a fair assessment. For the lunch date, it's because the quality of girls working in the afternoon is often disappointing. This way I don't have to compromise on quality if I want some afternoon delight before the nocturnal hunt.


Last night around 01:45 Insanity Soi 11 (on the end of So1 11 and towards the entry of Fraser Hotels) it was closed.

Can anyone give an update?Website says closed. I wanted to go for New Year's and tried calling them, but the phone was disconnected iirc.


Checked out patpong for the first time, was nice walking thru the japanese club and seeing all the ladies on display out side. Easier to pick and choose who you like but we werent up for karaoke today. Ended up going to I believe Badabing and ladies here didn't have any numbers so mamasan would use a laser to point at them. They also brought the entire lineup in front of us right when we got our drinks. Kind of pushy to have us pick someone but nice to see them all instead of having to wait for them to get on stage during the rotation change. Lady drinks seems standard 220 each, but they had this booth with drapes and it was 1500 to close the drapes for nude show and 2500 for BJ, geez that steep. It was pretty dead inside around 9 pm maybe that's why, prices just too high. Forgot to find out bar fine price but didn't think it'd be cheap with those other rates so high already.Had no idea that was possible, but that's a ridiculous price! When the going rate for most ST is 3 k and that can sometimes get you 2 shots and BBFS, a single BJ is a bit of ripoff. Even 7-Heaven that is one of the higher end BJ bars is 1300 without any extras. 2500 will get you a 60 min outcall from Body Bliss and 90 minutes full service at a number of MPs with the possible of 2 shots depending on the location.

[The Kaiser]

Is that a BOTG first person observation (date, time), or just wishful thinking?

For the real punters, any eyes on status of SOL?

Stick had an interesting column this week on the gogo bars' evolution.Private Kaiser on duty! Star of Light is down, I repeat, Star of Light is down! I went there last Saturday and after my session in Meet the World, I literally walked up and down the street 3 times. I even went inside the little alcove and had to fend off some other bar girl. Also Meet the World is on it's death bed. It'll be there in my upcoming report, but if any of you veteran punters need to say goodbye, you had better visit ASAP!


She opened the door, totally different person. Everyone who want to try Sideline, go try, its cheap, it is very easy to make contact with them.Typical Sideline experience! Definitely recommended if cheap prices are your number 1 priority!



Get in the taxi and the mf said 700 baht. He also had a towel covering the meter. I'm like wtf, so he countered with 500 baht. I asked does the meter work? Reluctantly, he turned on the meter. The cost was around 225 baht and let him keep the change.Yeah, the 3 taxis I asked about the meter just scoffed at me very rudely. Grab is a great option and saves me the trouble of unnecessary conflict. I'd rather wait 10 minutes sweating in the street than haggle with a taxi. I also discovered a cheaper app called Bolt, recommended by a girl from Dollhouse on Cowboy. The rates are much cheaper, but availability can be a problem. Sukhumvit Soi 22 (near Phrom Pong) to the airport was 340 baht. Trying to get one from Nana took over 20 minutes because most drivers were refusing on ignoring the request.


The only thing I remember about it is that it's on the first floor of Nana plaza.The quality is mostly concentrated on the top floor from what I saw, and if you go there past 1 AM, most will be outside the bars and a lot of them are munching on dinner.


Going to put some real work into TF tomorrow.I'd say it's a poor investment of your time. Most of the reports of TF (mine included) are disappointing. You may have better luck in Phuket, so you could get a head start instead of wasting your time on the Bangkok TF girls.


All barfines were 1000 except one place 700 and all girls were 3000.Most of my bar fines were 700, a couple were 800. Only Geisha and Twister charged me 1000 for ST bar fine. Billboard was 1000 for LT bar fine and the ST was cheaper.


So I quickly realized that since the smorgassboard of Nana gogo hotties was right in my backyard no need to put all the effort into finding a TF girl that meets my physical specs. I could just pay a little more and pick her off the stage.100% agree with this assessment. Gogos are the best investment of time if you're after quality and don't want to waste too much time. It's DEFINITELY worth the extra cost in my books!

[The Kaiser]

20 Jan

I was initially conflicted whether to hit Patpong again tonight or to try my luck at Thermae. Another report said white guys take second place to the East Asians, so I could have seen how brown guys measure up in the racial hierarchy. Unfortunately I got caught up with a long phone call and only left my hotel at 10:45 PM. I felt Patpong was a touch too far and I felt striking out at Thermae would leave me very little time for a backup at Nana or Cowboy. Plus it looked like Therma was a bit of a walk from either Nana or Asok BTS and my sweat may have made me a less attractive option for the Freelancers, so Thermae was shelved. I settled on Cowboy and I would hit either Crazy House, Dollhouse or Cowboy 2 allowing my whim to guide me. As I entered Dollhouse, I saw a curtain and a staircase. Feeling like I was in a CYOA book, and unsure whether the quality was upstairs, I took a peek behind the curtain. There was a decent crowd and this was the first venue where I saw fully nude girls. The girls made a point to spread their legs often and squat so that no one was in doubt. I was ushered onto a stool by the bar and handed a menu. Draft beer for 95 baht a mug is another reason I would recommend this bar to fellow punters. Next to me was an older gentlemen who was being thoroughly entertained by 3 of the nude girls. I felt like asking for the one in the center to join me, but she only had eyes for the older man beside me and I didn't have the heart to try and steal another man's target after having had that done to me twice already. I sipped my beer and scouted the stage for potential talent. The non nude girls were dressed in sexy football kits with some football match going on the screen above us on the second floor, visible to us thanks to a cutout in the ceiling. There was a single nude lady on a separate solo circular stage to the side as well. It took a while before I found a target. Dressed only in her glasses, she appeared to exude a shy vibe. After giving her some consistent eye contact, she asked if I was interested. She then gave me an update to how much time she had to remain on stage till she could join me. 5 minutes. 3 minutes. Then all the nude girls pulled on their short little black dresses and made their way off the stage. I lost sight of my girl, until I felt a firm hand envelope me from behind. Suppressing my 'fight' instinct, I turned around to meet Ploy, my first ploy. She sat beside me on the stool and ran the usual questions before asking if I would buy her a drink. She seemed to have too much energy, which felt like a red flag, but she sat on my lap and changed my mind real quick. After ordering her drink, she led me to the couch and truly showed me what she could do. Kissing me, giving me a lap dance, while I played with her clit, sliding my hand to fondle her breasts from behind, pull her tits out for a snack after I turned her around. Her clothing option was beyond optimal and more bar girls should follow this Dollhouse dress code imo. While conversing, she told me that she was an engineering student and came here to make some extra money since she didn't have a boyfriend. She asked me for another drink and asked whether I would buy the mamasan one and pleaded her case. Feeling in a somewhat generous mood, I gave in after visibly giving it some thought. Brought up the bar fine and she hurried off to change as I settled my bill. I paid around 2000 baht for the bar fine, but I don't remember exactly how much the bar fine was. She was only interested in ST, but I couldn't bring up the cost or time before she scurried away. HUGE MISTAKE!

She returned in a much longer black dress, and we got a taxi back to the hotel. She was definitely the tallest girl I had ever been with, only a couple of inches shorter than me. Some DFK in the lift prompted her to spot the camera in the corner, to which I responded by turning to face the camera and give them a little performance unabashedly. I don't recall how it came up, but I ended up carrying her from the lift to the door. Reaching our destination, she painfully remarked that she must be heavy and I responded by squatting her a couple of times and saying,"not really". We showered and she gingerly told me 7 k for no condom in response to my phallic teasing. Once we got out she asked me to draw the curtains. How a girl that literally dances buck naked on a stage is embarrassed by not having the curtains drawn on the 23rd floor in the middle of the night is a mystery to me. As I turned back around I saw her checking her weight just like every other girl. 52.4 kg. My biggest catch fishing in Bangkok waters. After some heavy foreplay, we began the negotiation. I was ready fro 7 k, but she now added a surcharge for the finish- 10 k for CIP and 8 k for CIM. I wouldn't bite and just continued with foreplay, to which she pulled me up and had me enter her confirming CIM.

Going down on her, she could only tolerate a couple minutes before arching back getting down to the main course. She would arch her back in an exaggerated fashion after a few minutes of the ole in and out. This repeated for multiple cycles and was quite frustrating. I switched to doggy and she started getting frustrated that I wasn't finishing. She blew me for a while because she was tired, but this was the toothiest blowjob I've received since my first girlfriend. I did not expect this from someone who does this for a living. She tried a handjob, but it was more like she was trying to uproot my penis like a root vegetable. She went to the bathroom and when she returned we just lay down for a time. I thought I'd give her a chance to rest. We conversed a little bit and she became a lot more vulnerable, admitting she wasn't really an engineering student. She was suffering from some PMS with breast soreness. Then she suddenly got up and start getting dressed, which stupefied me since I had yet to finish. She then informed me that she told the bar she would return in 2 hours otherwise she would lose 3 k. She blamed me for not finishing, saying, "Lady no like slowly". She clearly wanted a one pump chump, but I decided this was a good time to renege. I initially thought of giving her 5 k, which was still a lot for ST, but I thought deducting 2 k for not finishing was too harsh, so I offered her 6 k. She said "Up to you" and she disappeared into the night.

I decided to call an outcall service for a BJ. Body Bliss said none of the available girls would do CIM or even BBBJ. That was probably a lie, since one of the girls offered gave me a BBBJ the last time I had booked her. They were probably just tired and didn't want to put up with my questions. I chose Sensual Massage because when I asked them about BBBJ and CIM, they said I could negotiate with my masseuse when she arrived, which sounded like they just didn't want to say that she did, so even though it was slightly more expensive than Body Bliss I made a booking. She arrived in 25 minutes later, showered, and gave me a massage in her underwear. The massage was pretty good, but I had forgotten the feeling of disappointment when you see that your provider doesn't match the photo. I have officially been spoiled by Gogos! She removed her bra and I felt the unnaturally firm pressure of her fake breasts on my back. I turned over and she oiled my pistol before pulling out a condom. I asked for BBBJ, but she said no. At this point I was too tired, and all I wanted to do was finish and pass the fuck out. She didn't need to work too long for me to fill the rubber, but to her credit she kept up the pace the entire time I was climaxing. We both showered, I paid her and collapsed in bed.

*Total Damage = A little under 11,000 - 3 Draft Beers, 2 Lady Drinks, 1 Mamasan Drink, unfinished ST. BBFS, 60 min massage with BJ.

[ScoobyDoook]

Walked through Patpong 1 on Saturday night, around 8 pm, on my way to somewhere else. It was very quiet. The night market was working on the Surawong Road end of Patpong 1, the far end from Silom Road. The night market covered maybe one third of Patpong 1 and there were maybe a quarter of the number of stalls there used to be and only a few customers. Three or four of the bars showed signs of opening but just one or two girls in their uniforms were about and it was very quiet.

[The Kaiser]

My last night in the big mango was certainly going to be a long one. Having been enticed by the descriptions for MtW and SoL from the veterans, I boarded the BTS at 3 PM. I was almost certain SoL would be shuttered since Google Maps said it was 'Permanently Closed' and the someone had uploaded an image of its shutters. I wasn't sure about MtW since it wasn't listed on Google Maps, but it was my backup plan. If both were shut, I decided that I would spend some time at the Patpong Museum before figuring out where to get my rocks off. Thank to 11Bravo's excellent directions, I was able to find Meet the World even easier than following GPS. The bars were all deserted with only 1 or 2 stragglers here and there. Young men were pulling equipment to set up their stalls for the evening and bartenders were sitting idly just shooting the breeze. I saw a number of bars advertising 'Hot Boys' and 'Gay nights', so I think that might be the future of Patpong. I couldn't spot Star of Light, but did see the Meet the World sign on the second floor as I was strolling the street below. There were 2 ladies dressed in red sitting outside with the door to the bar closed. Was I about to witness my first debaucherous orgy? No, there was literally no one inside. I asked the mamasan for a Singha ands asked if I would like to buy the ladies a drink. I asked her if anyone else was working, but it was only those 2. Neither were to my taste frankly, but feeling obliged to experience one of the classic punter haunts, I took up mamasan's offer of a 2 lady discount.

No sooner had I accepted, that Vivian shoved her tongue down my throat and Emmy began trying to undo my belt. I found it funny that Vivian introduced herself as V and mamasan had to interject with Vivian. Clearly these were the names chosen to accommodate the Western mongers who dominated the scene in the past. Both ladies were over 30 and at least 1 of them was almost certainly older than me, but we were all naked in a matter of seconds. The girls alternated going down on me while the other would sit on the sofa to kiss me. After maybe 5 minutes, I finished in Vivian's throat. This was definitely the deepest CIM, I've experienced in Bangkok so far. As we sipped on our drinks, the girls asked if I would be ready for round 2. This was a nice change of pace compared to most places where I have to ask and often be refused a second shot. They both began blowing me once again and while fingering them, I found Vivian to be exceedingly wet. I then asked them to fuck me and mamasan it would be 1500 per girl, but that's a great deal for BBFS. They both took turns riding me while I kissed the other or suckled on their breasts. Unfortunately the couch made the cowgirl position less than ideal. The girls then both knelt on the floor to suck off my little friend. I had one on my cock and the other on my balls, before I had them switch. At one point they sandwiched my cock between their lips and the visual was pretty great! Emmy then motioned for me to get off of the couch and then bent over using the couch for support as I fucked her doggy style and Vivian stood by my side to kiss me. Finishing inside was OK, so I didn't hesitate to plant my seed. As we sat down, Emmy told me she was 4 and I was 2. I don't know if she meant that was the scoreboard for our orgasms since I don't think I'm that good. Sitting back down on the couch, mamasan asked if I'd like another round of drinks and I agreed. I just wanted a little anticlimax to a fantastic threesome experience. We conversed a bit with mamasan acting as the translator. 'Sui Mai' and the Isan equivalent 'Nyam Bo' were added to my dictionary. There were quite a few other words I learned, but they have since evaporated from my mind. Aside from 'Pum Pui' which Vivian said pinching her love handles. It meant she felt felt to which I grabbed my belly fat and said "Same Same". Emmy wanted in, so turned her ass to us, spanked it and said "Put Pui". I found myself beginning to understand body language and tone, and so the gibberish that was once the Thai language had now been demystified to me. Mamasan and both girls asked me for round 3, but I just joked that junior had gone to sleep even making a show of trying to wake him up. Emmy massaged my legs while we chatted some more before eventually getting dressed and clearing my bill. Mamasan had asked for a tip and I gave her the 100 baht I would have gotten as change, but I jokingly clarified that this wasn't a tip, it was my payment for her translation services. Mamasan even told me to recommend the bar to others, but the writing's already on the wall. I give it 6-24 months before it shuts, which I predict will be the case for most Patpong bars. It's a shame since this was one of the best experiences I had had and close to the cheapest too. If this was the mongering scene of years past, I understand why veterans feel it has been besmirched. The only audience I had today was the mamasan, and it was a shame that no new customers had walked in on the scene, since that would certainly have added to the experience. If only my insatiable degeneracy had been privileged to experience it when the hottest girls were following this business model.

*Damages = 6,000 = 1000 + 1000 for the BJ round, 1500 + 1500 for the sex round, 900 for 2 Singha and 4 lady drinks and 100 for Mamasan Translate.

There was another lady sitting outside as I left who noticed all the makeup that had been transferred to my face and called Vivian to clean me up. I then patrolled the street a few times looking for any signs of life from Star of Light, but alas there is literally no trace of it left. I proceeded to the Patpong Museum to kill some time and plan my next move. I grabbed a couple drinks at Paddy Field and ordered a Cheese Steak Sandwich, but after waiting quite a while I was served with Cheese Sticks. I tried to ask the staff were Kikyo was since I had heard it served some great Japanese food, but they did not understand a word of what I was saying. I noticed Woodland had a restaurant section, so I decided to fuel up here instead. Not quite the veteran's lime soda, but I hadn't eaten since the night before.

Next stop - XXX Lounge There were 6-8 girls on stage, but it was clearly still too early in the night. Girls were slowly trickling in to start their shifts as I sipped on my Singha. I went outside a couple times to see the Tiger performance for Chinese New Year. None of the girls looked good, so I headed back out deciding to take a look at the night market and possibly buy a few souvenirs.

I still felt the night was too young, so followed one of the people advertising the 'Ping Pong' show. The dwarf took me up a flight of stairs and an eager mamasan called a lineup instantly. None were too my liking and this wasn't why I followed the little man, so he then took me to a neighboring location. The man at the entrance asked me for 500 baht and I balked. He said that the girls are fully exposed and I simply responded I could pay that as a bar fine, for which I would get to do more than just look. I offered 200 and we settled on 300. He commented about the 'small boy' who had brought me over and I laughed saying he was a small man. I suppose his size was supposed to evoke the sympathy garnered from witnessing child labour. The Singha inside cost me 200 baht, so this place was designed as a ripoff. The show was what I expected it to be- 2 heavy set women, 1 of whom was well in her 40's performed the tricks that everyone the world over has heard about. They had hired 2 slightly more attractive girls as eye candy backdrops. They are very sensitive to phones and just pulling mine out to respond to text messages had both the performer and the manager tell me 'No Photos'. Texting may have been a mistake, since at one point I was punished for taking my eyes off the stage with one of the women spraying water out of her vagina and me being front and center acting as the splash guard for those seated behind. There were a large number of tourists in attendance and the scene of 30 or so run of the mill, salt of the earth Belgians watching the Thai women do these bizarre acts for the amusement made me realize its exploitative nature. Had the performers been happier to perform or had onlookers been more interested, it may not have rubbed me the wrong way. The ladies would intermittently walk around with a tray for tips, but once they began repeating the acts, I decided it was time to leave. Something to cross of the bucket list, but a lackluster experience that I would advise others to avoid. The manager wanted to try and milk some more money out of me and was trying to take the to a different location, probably the same MP I was taken to by the dwarf. He never had the chance since one of the Belgians attempted to tackle me on the stairs even though we weren't playing football. The narrow stairs and alcohol were clearly a poor combination, but I didn't think anyone would be inebriated enough to not look down so early in the night. Asking if he was ok, I bounded down the stairs just because the lady at the bottom told me come down slowly. The contrarian in me could not comply with such a directive.

*Damages = 500 - Ping Pong Show, 1 Singha + how much it'll cost to wash the secretions out of my clothes.

I then strolled to Black Pagoda where a couple of young, white guys had informed me there would be a rap / reggae party later that night. I walked upstairs and grabbed a seat by one of the poles. There was a girl feeling cold and looking a little sad on the couch to my right. I decided to tease her playfully and then invited her over for a drink. She was quite cute, but looked a lot older than she was was. I had guessed 29 when she asked me, but she corrected me that she was 21. She had an ugly scar running along her right breast and she told me it was from removing her silicone. She then showed me the scar under her left breast. The surgeon who had inserted the silicone implants did a decent job, but whoever pulled them out most certainly did not. I inspected her tattoos as well, commenting on those artists who had done a good job and those who had not. She had a classical ceasearean section scar, which confused me and I commented on the fact that those weren't common anymore. We then moved to the back of the bar closer to the DJ and rapper, whom I was surprised to find was a white guy despite belting out bars in fluent Thai. I had decided that I wouldn't be taking this girl home, but she was good for a conversation. She offered me the 'Tequila Package' - 6 shots for 900 baht. Since I had been drinking for several hours already, shots would probably only end badly, so I refused. She told me she would only do ST because she had to get home to her child, I refused another lady drink and she excused herself telling me she would return. I decided this was a good time to leave. At the bottom, the same white guy who had invited me earlier offered me some weed. I decided to buy some edibles since I hadn't had them before and the few times I tried to buy them from other stores, they had already sold out. He was Austrian, so I brushed off the 4 lines of German I still remembered from High School. We chatted a little before I looked for another bar.

*Damages = 560 - Beer and Lady Drinks (I think 2 each, but don't remember too clearly).

I had been told about The Strip while in the Patpong Museum since the owner owns both establishments. No sooner was my Singha served that a grumpy mamasan asked me which girl I wanted from the stage. I told her no one had caught me eye yet, so she called for a line up. There was one very busty girl who was cute, who I chose. The lady drink was absolutely tiny and she was asking for another one in hardly a few minutes. The system seemed reminiscent of Baccara and since the girls had no sense of rhythm, nor did I have any chemistry with her, I refused the second lady drink. She was instantly and very visibly saddened. A few of the girls on stage even consoled her when she returned to the stage. Compared to the other establishments I had visited on Patpong, this was the outlier, adopting the more aggressive tactics that might pass on Cowboy. In Patpong however, where the drinks and bar fines tend to be so much cheaper, it's a little excessive especially since the quality of girls is no different.

*Damages = 380 - 1 Singha, 1 Lady Drink.

Walking up and down Patpong 1 and 2, I had seen 2 King's Castles. 1 of them has the girls dressed in red and was where I had been bamboozled by the coyote the last time. The other dresses their girls in black and I decided that it would be my last stop and I would try and find someone there. After The Strip, I was feeling very full and I could imagine ordering another beer. There was another dragon performance happening outside Thigh Bar that had drawn a crowd, so I decided to watch and hopefully deflate a little. I couldn't help but notice how touristy the entire scene was. This was no longer a scene for punters, but the average Joe, his missus and maybe even the kids. If there was any doubt about Patpong's condition, this was the scene that drove home that it was doomed. Patpong is now for tourists and gays. King's castle is probably the last bastion, but most of the clientele appeared to be Thai unlike Nana and Cowboy, so I don't know if it'll be able to hold out.

Vaguely recalling that Thigh bar was also supposed to be a Gogo, I asked up to the entrance once the dragon performance had concluded, but they were charging entry and when I asked, I was told they were doing Ping Pong shows. Seeing that it was quite late, I changed my plans for King's Castle instead opting to head to Nana. I immediately headed for the top floor planning to visit Red Mandarin or Butterflies, since those were in my mind from the pictures on Stickman's blog. I landed up at Geisha instead and grabbed a stool by the stage. Here too, the dancers on either end of the stage are fully nude and a few of them were lathering themselves with a loofah and some boisterous punters were giving them a spank and feeling them up now and again. I picked one of the nude dancers and headed for a couch. Once she arrived, I realized she was a butterface, perhaps horse face would be more accurate. Could I have put on the proverbial beer goggles or was this simply my undercorrected myopia? I only realized this a few minutes after ordering her drinks. Yes, she ordered Soju and Coke, which counts as 2. This has cemented my decision to instantly refuse any girl who wants 2 drinks. While I we engaged in the usual questionnaire given to all bar girls, I noticed 2 hotties giving the gentlemen in the row in from tof me a lapdance. Trying not to stare at this girl's protuberant jaw, I scanned the stage for an alternative and I asked the mamasan to call up the smug cutie with braids. Horse Face dejectedly told me she was pretty and I agreed. She then asked if she could go back to the stage and I dismissed her. I wish I had noticed the number of the girls who had left the 2 gentlemen without being bar fined. This time I was certain since I could hear the mamasan speak to them. She confidently seated herself on my lap and asked for a Soju, even letting me smell it to confirm. She was grinding and dancing and definitely had a sense of rhythm. She turned around and her hair smelled absolutely amazing! Her smirk drove me wild, so I brought up the bar fine sooner rather than later. The mamasan seated next to me informed me she wouldn't do LT and ST was 4 k with a bar fine of 1000. I had refused to buy her a mamasan drink when getting her a lady drink, so I wasn't sure if that was the reason for the higher price. When my girl walked off to change, mamasan asked me for a tip and I shook my head no. As I collected my change from the check bin, she brazenly stuck her hand in front of my face. I simply ignored her rudeness and silently organized the change into my wallet and waited for braids to return.

We walked to the Nana intersection and I took me quite a while to connect to the Bolt Taxi. I tried to flag a regular taxi and he asked for 200 LMAO. He refused to use the meter with an expression as though I had asked to Bar Fine his mother. My Bolt called and I asked braids to direct him to our location. She hurriedly waved me over to a taxi that had just stopped, but I couldn't see the cell phone stand and this raised my eyebrow. My phone began to ring and it was the Bolt. This girl had clearly gotten into some random taxi, not at all understanding about the Bolt. She was clearly not the brightest bulb in the drawer, but I wasn't paying for her intelligence. When we got down at the hotel, I was asked to pay 200 baht smh. FACEPALM.

We headed to my room, showered and after foreplay there was no mention of the dreaded see word, and she was wet! Bareback in a number of positions, before I started to feel all the beer I had been drinking that day. CIP and CIM were both off the table, she even refused to blow me, but I didn't mind and just painted her back and still-wiggling butt. We showered and I counted her money in front of her and deposited in there purse. She pulled it out and counted it again- my point about her IQ stands, but the smile on her face was very satisfying.

*Damages = 5,970 = 2 Beers, 3 Lady Drinks, 1 BF, 1ST. BBFS.

What I was most grateful was access to cheap water at Foodland, paying 50 baht for 3 liters of water over the course of the night. I had unfortunately overlooked that Crystal was the cheapest option by a lot and paid a little extra, but it's tiny on the grand scale of my last night in Bangkok.

Another funny thing I realized while packing the next day was 11Bravo's advice about carrying an umbrella to prevent rain. Since I had recently purchased condoms after Sirilak from Billboard refused bareback, all 3 boxes had been unopened. So clearly this advice applied to raincoats and umbrellas of all varieties.

Thus ends my Mango Mongering. I still need to try my luck at the Freelance bars and Kapoo Clubs, but with MPs, Soapies, Sideline, Smooci and other outcalls, Gogos, and a Gentlemen's Club under my belt, I'm quite pleased looking back. I don't know when I will return, but fuck it, fuck you, and happy fucking!

[Margaya]

Relax, it will get better.

Overall things are quite bad in Bangkok specially. They were bad pre pandemic as well but it is no longer the place it used to be. Lets hope it will improve.

Keep us posted please.


Finally here. Nothing went right. The flight was late leaving Seoul. Then my checked bag seemed like it was the last one in baggage claim. Got ripped at the cash exchange. Equivalent of $7 for $100. What's worse was the ATM with the surcharge and the rip in rate.

Get in the taxi and the mf said 700 baht. He also had a towel covering the meter. I'm like wtf, so he countered with 500 baht. I asked does the meter work? Reluctantly, he turned on the meter. The cost was around 225 baht and let him keep the change.

Got my bearings and briefly settled in the room. It was getting close to 2 am and I just wanted to peep the vibe. Yuck, yuck, and more yuck. I didn't go into any bars / go-go's. Everything on the street was trash. I'm not sticking my penis in any of that even if it is free. I did see a couple cuties in the door crack of one of the go-go's. The only thing I remember about it is that it's on the first floor of Nana plaza.

Wanted to eat before I called it a night and got a Bangkok burger on Suk 11. More yuck. I'm literally getting this out my system as I type. I have 4 more nights in Bangkok and then off to Rawaii / Phuket. At least there I can take excursions and enjoy the beach. I think I'm either getting too old (late 40's) or my days of mongering are coming to andend. If I'm going to pay, the be*tch better outclass what I can pick up for free. This is sad. Going to put some real work into TF tomorrow.

[Lucky Nuts]

Most of my bar fines were 700, a couple were 800. Only Geisha and Twister charged me 1000 for ST bar fine. Billboard was 1000 for LT bar fine and the ST was cheaper.

100% agree with this assessment. Gogos are the best investment of time if you're after quality and don't want to waste too much time. It's DEFINITELY worth the extra cost in my books!I drink a lot so either my attention span or my memory is shit probably both 555. But yeah I did pay 1000 barfine for a tatooed up hottie in Geisha with bicolor hair. She has implants but they are soft as naturals. Usually I hate silicone so maybe she has the saline implants I've heard some get in thailand. I'll be seeing her again in a couple weeks when I get back to Bangkok. Her service was very good and I'm blind to tatoos anymore.

Billboard was fun to visit and have a drink but the chicas are too thick for me. I could never even find one to buy a drink. Still I stopped in often and enjoyed the party atmosphere.

Butterflies I remember specifically it was 1000 barfine because that's where Mama insisted I pay the girl first and I got my 1000 baht back. This place easily has the best party atmosphere and reminded of a Las Vegas strip club vibe on Friday night.

The most consistent place for hot girls for me was Rainbow 5 and I paid 1000 baht at least a couple times there. That's the only place that was very busy on Thursday night.

I've learned to hit the little bars in the corners. I can't remember their names but don't shy away just because mamas are being aggressive to get guys into their doors.

No idea which place was 700 barfine but I was happy to hear that and happily paid it. I do remember the girl was 20 years old and it was her 3rd day working. We had fun both she and me.

I stayed at Majestic Suites hotel which is right around the corner from the gogos and very convenient if you want to barfine a couple girls each night as it's only a two minute walk.

[HorseTrader]

Get in the taxi and the mf said 700 baht. He also had a towel covering the meter. I'm like wtf, so he countered with 500 baht. I asked does the meter work? Reluctantly, he turned on the meter. The cost was around 225 baht and let him keep the change.I inadvertently learned how to get back at the taxi drivers who try to rip us off. In early 2022 I was returning to BKK from Krabi, I told the driver "Sukhumvit Soi 11" and he told me 1000 baht. With such a high initial offer, I didn’t want to haggle. I simply said "too much", gathered my belongings, and got another ticket for a different taxi. The original driver followed me with offers of lower prices, but I pressed forward and got a different taxi. The original driver seemed truly pissed, but so was I.

After thinking about it, I suspect that my original driver was forced to go through some procedure to get another passenger. Perhaps he even had to go to the end of the taxi queue and again wait for his turn. Seems the same as a bar girl who refuses your offer of 1500, maybe she can get 2000 but she needs to wait for another customer.

Historically, I’ve been mostly satisfied with BKK taxis. To avoid such ugliness in future, I say the word "meter" before the driver ever touches my luggage.

[AlwaysHorny 2]

I inadvertently learned how to get back at the taxi drivers who try to rip us off. In early 2022 I was returning to BKK from Krabi, I told the driver "Sukhumvit Soi 11" and he told me 1000 baht. With such a high initial offer, I didnt want to haggle. I simply said "too much", gathered my belongings, and got another ticket for a different taxi. The original driver followed me with offers of lower prices, but I pressed forward and got a different taxi. The original driver seemed truly pissed, but so was I.

After thinking about it, I suspect that my original driver was forced to go through some procedure to get another passenger. Perhaps he even had to go to the end of the taxi queue and again wait for his turn. Seems the same as a bar girl who refuses your offer of 1500, maybe she can get 2000 but she needs to wait for another customer.

Historically, Ive been mostly satisfied with BKK taxis. To avoid such ugliness in future, I say the word "meter" before the driver ever touches my luggage.Yeah, I read enough on here about Taxi's not to go for that. I have been using Bolt exclusively, but the wait is about 10 minutes around Nana Plaza. No problems getting picked up from my condo in Ekkamai.

[Cha Chumplin]

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[Banana Boi]

I say the word "meter" before the driver ever touches my luggage.The way I've always done it for any taxi in Thailand. NEVER ask a taxi driver how much and ALWAYS say 'meter?' first. Also never ask a baht bus driver how much it's always 10 baht unless you're on one of the white colored baht buses. I was with another ISG member and we hopped in to a taxi that agreed to a meter. Once we got in he refused to turn on his meter and all I kept saying over and over and over again was I'm only going to pay whatever it says on the meter. We ended up going about 1/3 our ride until he turned on his meter. In the end, he made less money because he didn't turn on his meter right away.


I have been using Bolt exclusively, but the wait is about 10 minutes around Nana Plaza. No problems getting picked up from my condo in Ekkamai.How is the wait for Bolt now since the fairly recent licensing crackdown? Agree getting a Bolt outside the tourist areas is so much easier.

[Lcale1982]

how is the wait for Bolt now since the fairly recent licensing crackdown? Agree getting a Bolt outside the tourist areas is so much easier.I used bolt mainly in BKK near Terminal 21 but a few times at Pattaya too and it was pretty short wait every time I wanted a bike. Maybe 2 minutes or so but if I tried to get a car it would just say busy so couldn't even book anything. Friend I believe used Grab and was able to book car but that took a while still maybe 10 minutes+ each time.

[Banana Boi]

I used bolt mainly in BKK near Terminal 21 but a few times at Pattaya too and it was pretty short wait every time I wanted a bike. Maybe 2 minutes or so but if I tried to get a car it would just say busy so couldn't even book anything.Thanks Lcale. This clarifies my discussion I was having with a friend of mine who said there is never a wait for Bolt in BKK and I said it was well over a 10 minute wait even before the Bolt crackdown. It's because he takes bikes and I will always opt for a car.

[AlwaysHorny 2]

Thanks Lcale. This clarifies my discussion I was having with a friend of mine who said there is never a wait for Bolt in BKK and I said it was well over a 10 minute wait even before the Bolt crackdown. It's because he takes bikes and I will always opt for a car.Bikes are always available, cheap, and the wait is short. I won't ever do it. I'm feel I'm too tall and big plus I'm not too keen on pressing my Johnson into another man's backside. You will be waiting for a car in the more touristy areas. I had one bad experience where I waited for the driver for 8 minutes only for him to be on the wrong side of the street. He cancelled and then I had to wait another 8/9 minutes. The rates are so low that I feel bad for the driver and always tip really well. That is a lot of time and traffic to deal with.

When I left Nana plaza, I waitied on the other side of the street, opposite the sandal shop because it's too congested and it seems to be a hangout spot for hags.

[Davey1965]

Thanks Lcale. This clarifies my discussion I was having with a friend of mine who said there is never a wait for Bolt in BKK and I said it was well over a 10 minute wait even before the Bolt crackdown. It's because he takes bikes and I will always opt for a car.I gave up on Bolt and Grab cars last time there. I was staying right on soi 26 and was just as easy to flag down a cab or if in a hurry just scurry down soi 24 and there are always a bunch of motorbikes for hire. And eye candy on 24 is not always that bad either.

[Nyezhov]

Yeah, I read enough on here about Taxi's not to go for that. I have been using Bolt exclusively, but the wait is about 10 minutes around Nana Plaza. No problems getting picked up from my condo in Ekkamai.At 3 am ish, from the Terminal 21 area, it takes me about 30 minutes to get to my pad up near Bang Pho, cost 279 B plus 50 toll plus 50 B tip. Easy peasy. If I I don't feel like waiting, I just hit up a local member of the cab mafia. On Monday night, took me about 3 minutes to find one 300 B plus toll plus tip.

I don't ride the bikes exccept down back sois. I'm too fat.

So much to see and do ha.

Has anyone spied any slavic talent at Mixx or any other club? If I have to be the pathfinder this weekend I shall (ugg, schlep down on the last train) but hey Sukhumvit gang, where they at?

[11Bravo]

Bikes are always available, cheap, and the wait is short. I won't ever do it. I'm feel I'm too tall and big plus I'm not too keen on pressing my Johnson into another man's backside. You will be waiting for a car in the more touristy areas. I had one bad experience where I waited for the driver for 8 minutes only for him to be on the wrong side of the street. He cancelled and then I had to wait another 8/9 minutes. The rates are so low that I feel bad for the driver and always tip really well. That is a lot of time and traffic to deal with.A motorbike taxi is a real e-ticket ride. Do it once when you are SOBER and have your wits about you. You really DO want to follow the driver's lean. And keep the knees in. I did it once on my last visit; it makes you feel glad to (still) be alive.

[Nyezhov]

A motorbike taxi is a real e-ticket ride. Do it once when you are SOBER and have your wits about you. You really DO want to follow the driver's lean. And keep the knees in. I did it once on my last visit; it makes you feel glad to (still) be alive.The ones down the Sois are not that bad, I've been using them for years and I am almost 70.

If ones around and I'm gimpy, Ill straight shot one to a station. Just did that this morning.

I'm not riding one long distance, nor in insanely busy areas, even though I have insurance. I never use Grab Bike.

Oh here is your free taxi tip: Position yourself for them in the direction you want to go.

[11Bravo]

In retrospect, I spent too much time with outcalls, MPs, and Sideline. Gogos are definitely the creme de la creme and I expect the Freelance bars to be similar in quality. Just need to head there and have a backup plan.There are many roads in BKK; some are deadends, some are hills, some lead to mountain tops. The entertainment is in the travel.


Kokoro photos DO look much less edited, but no one caught my eye, so I never bothered visiting.Understood. Michele's photo at Kokoro I found compelling, worth a visit, even with the masking. She is one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen. Beautiful face, beautiful body, good (business) service. But her physical presence alone was enough to make the trip worth while (FR posted). Wouldn't be a regular, but every now and again ....


There were 2 girls whose lady drinks were technically 2 drinks (whiskey / soju and coke). I've now added that to my list of red flags. The first drink is now the cost of business, but the second one HAS to be earned. If I were still in BKK, I might have tried the shaw shaw line. I'm afraid it would sour a lot of potential interactions, as well as earn a few refusals, but without some field testing, I can't be certain. Plus I'm sure a little charm may help it go down more smoothly, so I definitely see it as something worth fine tuning so cut costs and streamline the selection process.Stick on his Suzie Wong bar's writeup mentioned the 2 drink MO at a number of bars, but at least there, it's served in the same glasses that the customers get, not thimbles.

The "shaw shaw", said with a SMILE, when it does sour the interaction, my reaction is a solid "Bye". For me, it's just one of those markers that says I know the score, that her physical presence is not alone sufficient. Many "at bats" in a baseball game, so I'm not concerned with a couple of strike-outs.


This seems like a fair assessment. For the lunch date, it's because the quality of girls working in the afternoon is often disappointing. This way I don't have to compromise on quality if I want some afternoon delight before the nocturnal hunt.Everyone has their own set of eyes, but I've found some very fun times in afternoon MP's. Yes, it's only an hour, 90-minutes, but a lot of fun can be had. YMMV.


Private Kaiser on duty! Star of Light is down, I repeat, Star of Light is down! Seems that the SOL is SOL. That is a loss.


Next to me was an older gentlemen who was being thoroughly entertained by 3 of the nude girls. I felt like asking for the one in the center to join me, but she only had eyes for the older man beside me and I didn't have the heart to try and steal another man's target after having had that done to me twice already.Not stealing. I don't cut in, but eye contact and a smile at least marks you as an alternate ... and if the deal isn't being signed ... No harm, no foul.


Brought up the bar fine and she hurried off to change as I settled my bill. I paid around 2000 baht for the bar fine, but I don't remember exactly how much the bar fine was. She was only interested in ST, but I couldn't bring up the cost or time before she scurried away. HUGE MISTAKE!Often repeated here: don't leave the bar without BOTH parties understanding the contract. I might roll the dice on menu, depending on how compelling she is, but time and PRICE ... On the other hand, it's a lesson that I've had to relearn when I've grown complacent.


Once we got out she asked me to draw the curtains. How a girl that literally dances buck naked on a stage is embarrassed by not having the curtains drawn on the 23rd floor in the middle of the night is a mystery to me.Thailand, in MY experience, is a very conservative society. I always had to silently laugh when a girl who had just been dancing nude on stage, back in the room, out of her solo shower, came out, wrapped in a towel, and jumped under the covers before the towel came off. I once asked and was told, "but on the stage, I was just dancing with my friends. Now I'm alone with you". You'll also notice that the only public displays of affection are from falangs (holding hands or arms around shoulder don't count). On the other hand, I'm enough of a realist that she might not want to be associated with me out in public ....


20 JanPlus it looked like Therma was a bit of a walk from either Nana or Asok BTS and my sweat may have made me a less attractive option for the Freelancers, so Thermae was shelved. You like the skywalks (e.g. Asoke to Cowboy). At Asoke BTS, just turn around and take the skywalk in the other direction, exiting the BTS turnstyles on the Nana end, but staying on the elevated walk. Usually a breeze, and certainly beats the crowds on the sidewalk below. Walk down to the end (not THAT far), exit to the right towards the Sofitel hotel, but instead of the elevated ramp to the hotel, take the stairs down to the sidewalk, U-turn, and it's 10 M to Thermae. Now your success inside is another matter.


I couldn't spot Star of Light, but did see the Meet the World sign on the second floor as I was strolling the street below. There were 2 ladies dressed in red sitting outside with the door to the bar closed. Was I about to witness my first debaucherous orgy? No, there was literally no one inside. I asked the mamasan for a Singha ands asked if I would like to buy the ladies a drink. I asked her if anyone else was working, but it was only those 2. Neither were to my taste frankly, but feeling obliged to experience one of the classic punter haunts, I took up mamasan's offer of a 2 lady discount.
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Unfortunately the couch made the cowgirl position less than ideal.
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I just wanted a little anticlimax to a fantastic threesome experience. We conversed a bit with mamasan acting as the translator. 'Sui Mai' and the Isan equivalent 'Nyam Bo' were added to my dictionary. There were quite a few other words I learned, but they have since evaporated from my mind. Aside from 'Pum Pui' which Vivian said pinching her love handles.
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It's a shame since this was one of the best experiences I had had and close to the cheapest too.

*Damages = 6,000 = 1000 + 1000 for the BJ round, 1500 + 1500 for the sex round, 900 for 2 Singha and 4 lady drinks and 100 for Mamasan Translate.The bad news? You paid the tourist prices. The good news? You met Meet the World. And your tourist fee was just a bit more than a SINGLE Nana bar fine. I've said it before, I'll say it again: read here and remember (though trivial details can be easily forgotten). Beer=100, BJ=800, FS=1200 (though that was with condom, but I don't think the lady would have minded if it had been BB as it was myself that had and put on the condom), Lady Drink=150. I knew the prices from my previous visit, and so confirmed before I partook. Granny did try and use the tourist prices on me a week later, I just had her show me the bill, and went through it, line by line (line item veto) and corrected each one. Just something to be aware of. But who's counting when you're talking "one of the best and (relatively) cheapest"?

FYI: there is a mattress on a raised platform in the back, towards the toilet, in an alcove with curtains, BUT the mattress leaves a lot to be desired. Seems like a number of holes in the foam, hopefully not the platform, but overall, the mattress is not that solid. I think next time I'll avail myself of a bench.

Just curious: besides the servers, I know 2 managers. One is a THIN granny who usually sits at a front table just inside the door. There is also a SLIGHTLY less old, more heavy set (not fat, but with some meat) mamasan. I get along well with the heavy set one, and easily tip her. The granny, not so much. Just wondering which you were dealing with (I'd guess NOT the granny, but just curious).

Likewise, while I am VERY familiar (unfortunately) with 'Pum Pui' (the Thais might be conservative in SOME things, but VERY direct in others), what does 'Sui Mai' and the Isan equivalent 'Nyam Bo' mean?

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Finally, I salute you on your complete and entertaining FR's. I understand the TIME and EFFORT they take, and it's been a fun read and a lot of info for the literate members. I always find it interesting to see where others play, though any PIMP experience for me, as the Thais say, "next life". Good luck on your future endeavors.

[GinAndTonic555]

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Billboard was fun to visit and have a drink but the chicas are too thick for me. I could never even find one to buy a drink. Still I stopped in often and enjoyed the party atmosphere.

Butterflies I remember specifically it was 1000 barfine because that's where Mama insisted I pay the girl first and I got my 1000 baht back. This place easily has the best party atmosphere and reminded of a Las Vegas strip club vibe on Friday night.

The most consistent place for hot girls for me was Rainbow 5 and I paid 1000 baht at least a couple times there. That's the only place that was very busy on Thursday night.

walk.Sounds like you have similar taste as me. Billboard gets tons of hype but I never find my type of girls in there. Spankys and butterflys I'd also put in the category of never delivering for me that many seem to love. Rainbow 4 and 5 seem to have more of the young spinners I like.

Not commenting on what this Q4 2022 lineups are looking like as I haven't hit the plaza in a bit. Going out this week to check the scene.

[Nyezhov]

Sounds like you have similar taste as me. Billboard gets tons of hype but I never find my type of girls in there. Spankys and butterflys I'd also put in the category of never delivering for me that many seem to love. Rainbow 4 and 5 seem to have more of the young spinners I like.

Not commenting on what this Q4 2022 lineups are looking like as I haven't hit the plaza in a bit. Going out this week to check the scene.Rainbow 4 is going to be my go to gogo for this trip it seems. I was in on Monday and there were loads of my style babes too. Ill hit it again this weekend just to make sure.

I know I keep asking about Mixx but anyone? Its important to me, because if I am going to make a Mixx trip I need to wear long pants instead of my usuall shorts. Serious inconvenience that.

[AlwaysHorny 2]

I'll get Day 3 out of the way first since it's not much to write about. Had a decent omelette at Genius Bar. I got it filled with Angus beef. It was supposed to be 150 grams of protein. I doubt it. Seemed smallish. Maybe I'm greedy, but I could have ate two of those. After that, went to Muscle Factory and beat the crap out of my body. Some nice looking ladies there but definitely IG types. Saw a couple dudes kissing on their women in the gym. Sorry sight to behold like they are doing something. Bro, it's just your turn. When you leave she'll be with another. One of the chicks in particular was a serious attention garden tool. I'm sure she is for the taking. Didn't do much after the gym. Ate dinner at I think A la carte close to my condo rental. I eventually just dozed off. Didn't feel like going out.

Breakfast options aren't all that great here. I had to wait until 10 am for El Mariachi to open. I ordered the breakfast burrito with barbacoa. I hope it's good.

Day 2. I walked a lot this day. After eating at Ekkamai food court / kitchen, I walked toward Nana, but decided to go to MBK. Hired a bolt only to realize my phone battery was low and figured I'the be out for awhile. I was in the mood for a good massage. I noticed a couple decent early / mid thirties women sitting outside a shop. I didn't stop on my walk, but when I passed them again, I made a mental note to come back. Got my phone charged up and then walked back to the massage shop. I had intentions on only getting the massage. The name of the shop was Happiness massage.

I assumed it was totally legit and I really just wanted a good professional massage. Massage is started and it pretty good. I'm trying to relax but she kept talking and asking questions. I wanted peace and silence. I wanted to relax, but wasn't happening as I struggled to understand her limited English. On the flip, she is getting very close to the jewels so I figured the sale would soon follow. Naturally I had a reaction and she just went to full stroke. She asked did I like it, I said it's ok but I would want everything. I was quoted 2 k including massage fee. There was miscommunication because she at least pretended that I was down for only HJ. I felt the vibe and sat up. I told her that is too expensive. I'll pay the fee and just leave. She already had roughly 2140 baht. I used $20 USD in addition to all the baht I had on me. Again, wasn't expecting to do anything else. Talking back and forth she said ok, we boom boom but be quiet because the boss in there and we don't have a door just a curtain.

She restarts the frontal massage and goes south after a few minutes. More stroking. Good technique I must admit. I'm like hold up. Don't want to finish that way. She saws ok boom boom. I didn't understand what was going on. She had on jeans, but somehow scooted them down. Started with bb cowgirl. It surprised me and she was soaking wet. Cowgirl skills were not good so switched to doggie with me standing and her bent over the table. Seemed like I could have cip but tossed on her back. I probably would not repeat. It wasn't too expensive, but I would have rather kept my bullets.

Went to Nana and Soi Cowboy later that night. I had dinner at a Jamaican restaurant near Sugar nightclub. The food was ok. I walked to Levels but didn't go in due to the 400 baht cover, so I headed over to Nana. I went to Billboards, but really wasn't impressed. A could lookers, but didn't like the attitudes / chemistry so I bounced after one beer. Got mugged constantly at Soi Cowboy, but didn't enter one establishment. What's the deal with Crazy horse? Didn't look appealing from the outside.

On a good note, lots of FL all around. I saw some that I would do, but didn't feel a push since I popped off earlier. That is probably my choice tonight. May give fiwfans a try. TF and tinder are crap, but I could see how it could work if I actually lived here.

[Lcale1982]

Then for variety went to Thermae picked a white farang looking Thai, early 20's. Standing next to the cashier table 2. 5 K ST lucked out again with long sessions and CIM. I think I was staring at the same lady every day I went cause I wasn't sure if she was white or not LOL. Standing at that same location. Sound like she gave you a good time. When I head back I'll have to check her out if she's still there. Was she open to pics, the few I picked up were not? Figure most of them won't be especially if this is their side gig.

[Lcale1982]

Anyone with info on the ST and LT rates in Thermae Cafe and if all girls go with European men.One lady I picked up mention ladies will sometimes just give a higher rate instead of saying no for someone they don't really want to go with (europeans). Most quoted 2500-3000 to me, but one quoted 4500, guess she didn't like me LOL. All of them I asked said no LT since they have work in the morning. Except one who used to work at Nuru massage and didn't have a day job at the time, 3 k /6 k. She was the only dark meat I saw on the days I went, standing on the right side of the room. Mentioned everyone tell her they think she's indian LOL. I saw her in some youtube videos I checked out after returning home.

At 9 min mark, great service and pretty good english too. She might charge you higher being European.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwok19fzIgc

[Tlito]

There are many roads in BKK; some are deadends, some are hills, some lead to mountain tops. The entertainment is in the travel.

Understood. Michele's photo at Kokoro I found compelling, worth a visit, even with the masking. She is one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen. Beautiful face, beautiful body, good (business) service. But her physical presence alone was enough to make the trip worth while (FR posted). Wouldn't be a regular, but every now and again ....

Stick on his Suzie Wong bar's writeup mentioned the 2 drink MO at a number of bars, but at least there, it's served in the same glasses that the customers get, not thimbles.

The "shaw shaw", said with a SMILE, when it does sour the interaction, my reaction is a solid "Bye". For me, it's just one of those markers that says I know the score, that her physical presence is not alone sufficient. Many "at bats" in a baseball game, so I'm not concerned with a couple of strike-outs.

Everyone has their own set of eyes, but I've found some very fun times in afternoon MP's. Yes, it's only an hour, 90-minutes, but a lot of fun can be had. YMMV.

Seems that the SOL is SOL. That is a loss.

Not stealing. I don't cut in, but eye contact and a smile at least marks you as an alternate ... and if the deal isn't being signed ... No harm, no foul.

Often repeated here: don't leave the bar without BOTH parties understanding the contract. I might roll the dice on menu, depending on how compelling she is, but time and PRICE ... On the other hand, it's a lesson that I've had to relearn when I've grown complacent.

Thailand, in MY experience, is a very conservative society. I always had to silently laugh when a girl who had just been dancing nude on stage, back in the room, out of her solo shower, came out, wrapped in a towel, and jumped under the covers before the towel came off. I once asked and was told, "but on the stage, I was just dancing with my friends. Now I'm alone with you". You'll also notice that the only public displays of affection are from falangs (holding hands or arms around shoulder don't count). On the other hand, I'm enough of a realist that she might not want to be associated with me out in public ....

You like the skywalks (e.g. Asoke to Cowboy). At Asoke BTS, just turn around and take the skywalk in the other direction, exiting the BTS turnstyles on the Nana end, but staying on the elevated walk. Usually a breeze, and certainly beats the crowds on the sidewalk below. Walk down to the end (not THAT far), exit to the right towards the Sofitel hotel, but instead of the elevated ramp to the hotel, take the stairs down to the sidewalk, U-turn, and it's 10 M to Thermae. Now your success inside is another matter.

The bad news? You paid the tourist prices. The good news? You met Meet the World. And your tourist fee was just a bit more than a SINGLE Nana bar fine. I've said it before, I'll say it again: read here and remember (though trivial details can be easily forgotten). Beer=100, BJ=800, FS=1200 (though that was with condom, but I don't think the lady would have minded if it had been BB as it was myself that had and put on the condom), Lady Drink=150. I knew the prices from my previous visit, and so confirmed before I partook. Granny did try and use the tourist prices on me a week later, I just had her show me the bill, and went through it, line by line (line item veto) and corrected each one. Just something to be aware of. But who's counting when you're talking "one of the best and (relatively) cheapest"?

FYI: there is a mattress on a raised platform in the back, towards the toilet, in an alcove with curtains, BUT the mattress leaves a lot to be desired. Seems like a number of holes in the foam, hopefully not the platform, but overall, the mattress is not that solid. I think next time I'll avail myself of a bench.

Just curious: besides the servers, I know 2 managers. One is a THIN granny who usually sits at a front table just inside the door. There is also a SLIGHTLY less old, more heavy set (not fat, but with some meat) mamasan. I get along well with the heavy set one, and easily tip her. The granny, not so much. Just wondering which you were dealing with (I'd guess NOT the granny, but just curious).

Likewise, while I am VERY familiar (unfortunately) with 'Pum Pui' (the Thais might be conservative in SOME things, but VERY direct in others), what does 'Sui Mai' and the Isan equivalent 'Nyam Bo' mean?

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Finally, I salute you on your complete and entertaining FR's. I understand the TIME and EFFORT they take, and it's been a fun read and a lot of info for the literate members. I always find it interesting to see where others play, though any PIMP experience for me, as the Thais say, "next life". Good luck on your future endeavors.Some very poor reports about Kokoro.

I did not go there last visit went to pretty. Fantastic service.

After I walked from Kokoro because of shit service.

The girls look nice in the pics but when you walk into the shop the mama is very unfriendly and will only let you look at pics of girls working. I walked and went to pretty.

[The Kaiser]

Not stealing. I don't cut in, but eye contact and a smile at least marks you as an alternate ... and if the deal isn't being signed ... No harm, no foul.Definitely keeping that in mind!


Often repeated here: don't leave the bar without BOTH parties understanding the contract. I might roll the dice on menu, depending on how compelling she is, but time and PRICE ... On the other hand, it's a lesson that I've had to relearn when I've grown complacent.I definitely learned this the hard way.


You like the skywalks (e.g. Asoke to Cowboy). At Asoke BTS, just turn around and take the skywalk in the other direction, exiting the BTS turnstyles on the Nana end, but staying on the elevated walk. Usually a breeze, and certainly beats the crowds on the sidewalk below. Walk down to the end (not THAT far), exit to the right towards the Sofitel hotel, but instead of the elevated ramp to the hotel, take the stairs down to the sidewalk, U-turn, and it's 10 M to Thermae. Now your success inside is another matter.Saving this for the next time I'm in town, thanks!


The bad news? You paid the tourist prices. The good news? You met Meet the World. And your tourist fee was just a bit more than a SINGLE Nana bar fine. But who's counting when you're talking "one of the best and (relatively) cheapest"?Honestly, I wasn't expecting the action to kick off so fast, so I just went with the flow. Ultimately, even at the tourist prices, it's a pretty sweet deal, so I'm still satisfied with the experience over all.


FYI: there is a mattress on a raised platform in the back, towards the toilet, in an alcove with curtains, BUT the mattress leaves a lot to be desired. Seems like a number of holes in the foam, hopefully not the platform, but overall, the mattress is not that solid. I think next time I'll avail myself of a bench.Well, it only makes a difference in cowgirl position. Reverse cowgirl should still work fine on a couch depending on the skill of the ladies', but I'm a sucker for doggy, so it works. Plus the fact that the front door is right there and could open at any time is fun for me. I've always been a fan of sneaky sex, even though this wasn't on the same level as going at it in a bathroom, changing room, or by the side of the road.


Just curious: besides the servers, I know 2 managers. One is a THIN granny who usually sits at a front table just inside the door. There is also a SLIGHTLY less old, more heavy set (not fat, but with some meat) mamasan. I get along well with the heavy set one, and easily tip her. The granny, not so much. Just wondering which you were dealing with (I'd guess NOT the granny, but just curious).Pretty sure it would be the granny since she was quite gaunt, but maybe the plump one just went on a crash diet. Hard to say, but this one wore glasses, if that narrows it down.


what does 'Sui Mai' and the Isan equivalent 'Nyam Bo' mean?Both mean 'good'. Handsome, Strong, I'm scared, sleeping were among some of the other words and phrases that I instantly forgot.


Good luck on your future endeavors.Thank You! Good luck with whatever you've got going on too!

[11Bravo]

Day 2. I walked a lot this day. After eating at Ekkamai food court / kitchen, I walked toward Nana, but decided to go to MBK. Hired a bolt only to realize my phone battery was low and figured I'the be out for awhile. I was in the mood for a good massage. I noticed a couple decent early / mid thirties women sitting outside a shop. I didn't stop on my walk, but when I passed them again, I made a mental note to come back. Got my phone charged up and then walked back to the massage shop. I had intentions on only getting the massage. The name of the shop was Happiness massage.For MBK from that area (Ekkamai), I just take the BTS. However, after 3 years, I'd forgotten, and got off at Siam, looking for MBK. Luckily, I remembered it was a change before exiting, so just walked down and caught the BTS to National Stadium. Unfortunately, Dunkin' Donuts no longer sells the Bavarian chocolate, the cream filled chocolate topped donuts. Not a complete loss, walked back out and jumped back on the BTS to Patpong to do my own cream filling.

Curious, which Soi was Happiness on? Soi 23? For a good, legit massage in the Ekkamai area, try Soi 55's Yama Herbal Massage, less than a 100 M from Thong Lo BTS station, left hand side as you're walking away from Sukhumvit. Extras were offered, but I just went for the massage. 700 baht for 90 minutes. Search to find FR's.

[Bunky]

A motorbike taxi is a real e-ticket ride. Do it once when you are SOBER and have your wits about you. Makes you feel glad to (still) be alive.LOL! I realize this is the Bangkok forum, but since we're talking about motorcycle taxis. . . .

In Pattaya a few years ago on New Year's Eve I hired a motorcycle taxi to take me from the west end of Soi 6 to Walking Street. It was a few minutes before midnight and Beach Road was jammed. The driver made a show of checking out the traffic, then turned back to me for 30 seconds of amiable negotiation over the fare. Can't recall the exact amount, but his holiday surge price was reasonable under the circumstances.

The ride south on Beach Road was surreal. My driver skillfully zoomed between the lanes of traffic, clearing the massive tour buses by inches. About halfway to Walking Street the clock struck midnight and the fireworks started. The next few minutes were like something out of a video game. As you guys know well, the opportunities to be a naughty boy can be reduced during the holidays, especially on New Year's Eve, when so many people in the "industry" are otherwise occupied. So for me, the ride turned out to be the highlight of my evening.

[BPalacio]

Short little report from a admittedly green and undoubtedly dumb newbie here in BKK. Staying at JW Marriott right near Nana. For the light sleepers out there, it is NOT soundproofed well at all despite stating on the site that it's supposedly soundproofed. Really pissed me off because getting some sleep here even with earplugs has been quite a challenge. Everything else about the hotel, as you'd expect from a Marriott, is top-notch.

Anyway, onto the shit that people will actually care about. I'm a Thai American and have a lovely Thai girlfriend back home, so I wanted to try something else here in BKK. I like curvy women and opted to try out an African broad. Have seen that their reputation is far from stellar on these forums.

Trust the reports, fellas.

I got an African broad off of Soi 4 and it went pretty much par for the course. Told her 2000ST for basically an extended blowjob session no cover. She agreed and came over. I locked all my things in my safe prior to her arrival. When she got here, she asked if she needed to even undress because it was just a blowjob. Told her yes, dear, you should take off your top at the very least.

Onto my dick she went. Initially a decent blowjob with her trying to go deepthroat and kiss my balls. I'm not a huge guy, maybe even below average, but she was making a show about how deepthroat was not something she'd be doing for any extended amount of time. After blowing me for less than 10 minutes, she stops and says something to the tune of "huh, not done yet?

Said nope, and she tried to gave a halfhearted handjob. Started getting soft and was, quite frankly, getting a bit pissed about the whole experience so far. I told her I'd like her to continue her mouth work. She said nah.

OK.

At this point, I just said fuck it and just jerked off. Told her to open her mouth when I was about to finish, and she endearingly asked "you want to come in my mouth? Laughed, and then declined the thoughtful gesture. Came on her ass instead and she responded with a groan. Paid her the 2000 and she was off into the night again.

With my grand sample size of 1, I have to say the field reports on African ladies here in BKK are all accurate. Again, I'm an idiot and am very green, so keep that in mind if you've read this far. Probably will try to find a curvy Thai lady and hope things go better.

*If anyone has experience with submissive escorts, any race, in BKK, I'd love to learn more. Thinking about checking out Demonia and facefucking a submissive, so might post about that experience later.

Signing off, gents.

[BHawk]

Just woke up at a Bangkok airport Hotel after sleeping off some of a terrible jet lag. Heading to town. I need to see girls. Naked girls with nice tits dancing and flirting. As far as I ve understood three places are Baccara, Crazy House and Geisha (Nana). Any other suggestions to see naked girls, sip a beer and go for it?

[Lcale1982]

Just woke up at a Bangkok airport Hotel after sleeping off some of a terrible jet lag. Heading to town. I need to see girls. Naked girls with nice tits dancing and flirting. As far as I ve understood three places are Baccara, Crazy House and Geisha (Nana). Any other suggestions to see naked girls, sip a beer and go for it?I was only there for a day maybe it was too early but Baccara didn't get nude. Crazy house full nudity there. No one had any panties on, maybe jsut a skirt with like atleast half just nothing on.

[Banana Boi]

I was only there for a day maybe it was too early but Baccara didn't get nude. Crazy house full nudity there. No one had any panties on, maybe jsut a skirt with like atleast half just nothing on.There's no nudity on the main floor at Baccara. You need to go upstairs for full nudity. If you look up through the glass floors from the main floor you can see the dancer's pussies who are nude upstairs.

[The Kaiser]

Just woke up at a Bangkok airport Hotel after sleeping off some of a terrible jet lag. Heading to town. I need to see girls. Naked girls with nice tits dancing and flirting. As far as I ve understood three places are Baccara, Crazy House and Geisha (Nana). Any other suggestions to see naked girls, sip a beer and go for it?Baccara isn't full nude, only Topless. Dollhouse has fully nude girls on stage though.

[Tomasb]

To the Thai American fellow below and anyone else considering the African street girls patrolling Suk and elsewhere, I would say stay away. In addition to most of them being overweight and dramatically unattractive, they are not known for providing good services and usually their African handlers are not too far off watching the deal go down.

[Lcale1982]

There's no nudity on the main floor at Baccara. You need to go upstairs for full nudity. If you look up through the glass floors from the main floor you can see the dancer's pussies who are nude upstairs.Aww damn, that's why it seemed so empty guess everyone else was upstairs. Guessing the hotties were upstairs too. We left after a drink haha, woops.

[SoberHans69]

To the Thai American fellow below and anyone else considering the African street girls patrolling Suk and elsewhere, I would say stay away. In addition to most of them being overweight and dramatically unattractive, they are not known for providing good services and usually their African handlers are not too far off watching the deal go down.I've only been with two walking up and down Sukhumvit over the years as the vast majority of them are ugly but those two provided good service.

[ElFlaco172]

After my experience at 7-heaven, I was reluctant in trying anything else for a while, but decided to try doki doki on one of my nightly strolls. My goal was to go to paradise massage but once I got there and saw all the bright light and other massage ladies trying to get your attention, I chickened out and went to doki doki instead. Its a much more quiet area. Arriving late into the evening there was only 3 masseuse available which doesn't surprise me much as they are always busy. This is my first line up and was kind of relieved there wasn't 10-20 girls looking at me while I was choosing. Only one really caught my eyes, I don't even know if the other girls were good looking because she grabbed all of my attention. Mia had a club like dress and was just stunning. The tinniest thing at barely 5 feet was still decently shaped despite how thin she was. Started with a standard shower on the mat and she offered me mouthwash. That body to body wash was heavenly so much so that I thought I was going to pop prematurely but held strong. I know a lot of people in this forum aren't big fans of nuru massage but as a first time user I loved it. She had great oral skills and that body in cowgirl was amazing. I know we have the option to fuck on the bed instead of the nuru mattress but she didn't offer and I really wanted to try it out on the slippery mattress. Damn is it hard to fuck on there but very fun. My muscles ached from trying to stabilize myself on there so if you want a more relaxing fuck go on the bed. Overall amazing experience but not too GFE so ID give the experience a 9/10. From other reviews, it seems like I didn't get the full package with DFK and rimming but I was plenty satisfied. I would definitely go back and get Mia again unless anyone has recommendations? Top performers seem to get booked up really quick but I'm not sure how to research who's a top performer since all the information seems to be years old.

The next day I was still high on my experience that I decided to try out TSG sideline. It took me a while to really get how the sideline (fiwfans) sites worked since they seem to cater more to locals. I was doubtful they would serve foreigners but looks like most do. Setting up an appointment is very easy. You just DM individual girls and ask if they are available at specific times. So the way I understood it, if you see the girl on the fiwfans website it means she's available today. I decided to go with Grape and setup an appointment in the early afternoon. I saw the location was about 45 min walk from where I was and decided fuck it ill just walk it. I couldn't have made a worst decision as I arrived drenched in sweat and very likely turned her off a bit. The photos were definitely altered cause she looked different but she was still decent looking as a girl next door. In terms of service the sex was fine but she got tired really quick and was annoyed I wasn't cumming fast enough. This is a thing I noticed with all providers, they just want an easy fuck but that's just not me. For the first time I ended up not popping and its not for a lack of trying. Nothing to do with the sex itself as she was still pretty hot but the mix of the apartment being hot, my walking and the great experience I had the day previous so lessons learned: don't exert yourself too much. Overall the experience was a 6. 5/10 because her attitude really wasn't great. Not sure if it was because I wasn't a local or she was just exhausted. I think TSG sideline is still great value even if you get some bad experiences because of how cheap it is I can still have 3 fucks over 1 doki doki massage. But if you want an almost sure thing Doki Doki seems to be the way to go.

[11Bravo]

Some very poor reports about Kokoro.
I did not go there last visit went to pretty. Fantastic service.
After I walked from Kokoro because of shit service.
The girls look nice in the pics but when you walk into the shop the mama is very unfriendly and will only let you look at pics of girls working. I walked and went to pretty.Certainly I prefer a live lineup. But for Kokoro (and Don Quixote) I understand management's point of view. Those 2, IMHO, are assembly line shops, you know, think meat packers, where the mamasan's job is to get those slabs of beef (aka customers) on the hook and into the processing areas of the line. While slower shops might have the girls sitting outside (Soi 23, Soi 22, Soi 24) or make a lineup available with an intermittent flow of customers, MY experience, those 2 shops have a CONSTANT flow. In Kokoro, there were at least 3 other Asians (Koreans?) waiting. Too time consuming and tiring for the girls to be having CONTINUOUS lineups. Thus tablet selection. Like I say, I don't like it, but I understand it.

For ME, it's not all that important that the MAMASAN is my best friend. I want somebody efficiently taking my order (I hate the chatty Kathy cashiers yakking it up with the customer in front of me while I'm waiting to pay). At Kokoro, I had a booking to ENSURE I had Michelle's experience. I was content to roll the dice based on the website photo (exceedingly rare that I do so), and glad I did. Buzzed in, walked to the desk, had the following pleasant conversation:
Do you have a booking? Yes. Michelle? Yes. Please have a seat, she'll be here shortly, and here's a bottle of water. I have no complaints: the booking, made 1 or 2 days in advance, was honored and completed. Nothing unfriendly about it. And I have no complaints about Michelle's service, and it IS the girl's service I care about.

At Don Quixote's, initial visit, I was the only customer IN the shop (4 waiting outside). Asked to sit, mamasan came over, showed me the laminated price / service card, a tablet for selection, swiping through the prospects, explaining things. My choice, based on an FR here, wasn't available. Took some hoops, and a misunderstanding, but the girl was there the following day. Yes, that time, the mamasan was rather brusque, repeating "pay money now", but it was also a misunderstanding of mine that my choice WAS available. And at that time, there were 5 other customers IN the shop.

For me, both shops provided the girls that I wanted, and I enjoyed both. 'Nuff said.


Pretty sure it would be the granny since she was quite gaunt, but maybe the plump one just went on a crash diet. Hard to say, but this one wore glasses, if that narrows it down.Yes, that's the grannie, and she'll try to serve ALL the tourist prices. The other mamasan (hopefully senior), is a lot nicer and I've had some nice conversations with her about previous girls and things in general. Not saying she wouldn't try for the tourist prices too, but all you have to do, as you walk in, say, "Beer still 100 baht" with the reply "OK, for you, yes". Likewise for BJ. I asked and accepted the quoted lady drink price as I didn't remember, and for the FS, when told 1500, I queried the 1500 and it was, "OK, for you, 1200". Minor, just more the principle ...

[Tlito]

To the Thai American fellow below and anyone else considering the African street girls patrolling Suk and elsewhere, I would say stay away. In addition to most of them being overweight and dramatically unattractive, they are not known for providing good services and usually their African handlers are not too far off watching the deal go down.Not always. Steer clear of the ones in groups or sitting with older Thai ladies. I picked up a slim African lady last time and had a fantastic night. We went out for a meal and a few drinks and then she came back to my room and loved me long Time. Nice girl, I hope I can find her again next time I am in Bangkok.

[Tlito]

Certainly I prefer a live lineup. But for Kokoro (and Don Quixote) I understand management's point of view. Those 2, IMHO, are assembly line shops, you know, think meat packers, where the mamasan's job is to get those slabs of beef (aka customers) on the hook and into the processing areas of the line. While slower shops might have the girls sitting outside (Soi 23, Soi 22, Soi 24) or make a lineup available with an intermittent flow of customers, MY experience, those 2 shops have a CONSTANT flow. In Kokoro, there were at least 3 other Asians (Koreans?) waiting. Too time consuming and tiring for the girls to be having CONTINUOUS lineups. Thus tablet selection. Like I say, I don't like it, but I understand it.

For ME, it's not all that important that the MAMASAN is my best friend. I want somebody efficiently taking my order (I hate the chatty Kathy cashiers yakking it up with the customer in front of me while I'm waiting to pay). At Kokoro, I had a booking to ENSURE I had Michelle's experience. I was content to roll the dice based on the website photo (exceedingly rare that I do so), and glad I did. Buzzed in, walked to the desk, had the following pleasant conversation:
Do you have a booking? Yes. Michelle? Yes. Please have a seat, she'll be here shortly, and here's a bottle of water. I have no complaints: the booking, made 1 or 2 days in advance, was honored and completed. Nothing unfriendly about it. And I have no complaints about Michelle's service, and it IS the girl's service I care about.

At Don Quixote's, initial visit, I was the only customer IN the shop (4 waiting outside). Asked to sit, mamasan came over, showed me the laminated price / service card, a tablet for selection, swiping through the prospects, explaining things. My choice, based on an FR here, wasn't available. Took some hoops, and a misunderstanding, but the girl was there the following day. Yes, that time, the mamasan was rather brusque, repeating "pay money now", but it was also a misunderstanding of mine that my choice WAS available. And at that time, there were 5 other customers IN the shop.

For me, both shops provided the girls that I wanted, and I enjoyed both. 'Nuff said.Glad Michelle was ok. Thanks for the update.

That is ok if you book online but if you are a walk in and want to see a girl, like I did it is not acceptable. The majority of punters who read this forum want to be sure they are not wasting their had earned. Too many times I have read about photo shopped girls at Kokoro and other places. When you walk in and the place is empty and you just ask politely to see the ladies and the Mama says no. You just walk like I did. I will never walk in too Kokoro again.

Pretty and Premier 101 both marched their girls out and I picked the hottest from both line ups. I have both these exquisite young hot ladies on line and will see them again. Both of them were under 30 hot and smiled at me in the way a 60: plus man likes to be smiled at. I then had 2 shots and an amazing time with both ladies. This May not happen if you end up with a photo shopped girl who is 20 pounds and years older than her photo. Nuff Said.

[Pgaka]

I wrote my experience with Sideline couple of days ago. The girl was also on Fiwfans under same agency Tsg sideline I think is called. So, the girl from Sideline was asked me to open on my phone picture when is written "Fiwfans" on blue cackground colour and take picture with me holding phone but my face is hidden. I agreed. And now what I see is picture of us, with FAKE review. I didn't write any rewiev on Fiwfans about her, nor on Sidelane. So guys be careful when read rewievs, take it with big reserve as probably many of them are fake.

[ZenMinded1]

Sometimes a man just had a fucked up week and needs a load off. Karma don't care, fuck you. Some Fridays just turn out to be a complete piece of shit. And then there's 20th of January Fridays. Which did look like a complete piece of shit until that BTS ride downtown.

9 pm I find myself stone cold sober on BTS waiting for that voice to first say "Nanaaa" and then the more stern "Asokkk". Get off for a short walk to crazy house side of Cowboy, right to Dollhouse. Upstairs of course, do I look like a tourist that'll gawp at dressed ladies downstairs? Well. There's 4 girls up here and sure they're all in their best birthday suits and smiling. And all that's fine but there's no punters. Meh I miss the crowd so thank you ladies I say as I walk over to Suzy Wong not that far away. Now there's a crowd and a girl here and there with a top off, my Jack&soda quite approves thank you.

Lady just next to the entrance has some moves and looks oh-so-sexy and smiling. Yes you bartender send her a drink. No no I don't want her in my lap, let her dance thank you. Woom woom woom thank you wonderful next bar please. But then. It's fucking Cowboy, I'm not a tourist, Cowboy you're a lovely beast but thank you and fuck you, I move on.

Step step step. Is my phone counting thoes steps? Need to work off that booze sir. Next stop. Thermae. Or I should rather say. Meat market a la Thermae. Which is absolutely overrun with freelancers on both sides, and grabbing that not-so-expensive drink at entrance and making a slow beeline across the bar never felt so full of opporunity. Ladies are smiling, customers are a-plenty even if some are fucking fat, some old, and some trying to stay fit by sipping on their sodas. To each their own I respect all of you gents. And wish ladies all their best after my Bangkok-given Jack&soda.

I don't feel like walking, Grab bike take me to Nana, I need a rush of knowing I could get kneecapped by a random rearview mirror near the end of Soi Arab.

Right on, I know what I want. It's not just working girls you'll find at entrance of Nana Plaza waing to the spirit house next to Kickoff. You'll see this random whiteguy of uncertain age or origin waing as well. Wishing the ladies good business, small dicks and a quick return. For other punters, not for me. I want the one that'll fall in love and do LT if I pay for ST. Here's hoping, and and-th Jack & soda.

Mandarin and Red Dragon have some hotties. But they all just mean business and no smiles so not for me. Too many tops are ON, instead of off, thank you. Right on up to Butterflies in that wonderful red waiting armchair. That'll be jack and soda please yes.

I will never again find that 3 digit lady starting with 4 I had an incredible night with. Might have been a fluke. Those magnificent, freak of nature wonder-boobs might have tried for a few nights, ended up with me in a hotel not far from Cowboy fucking throuhgout the night and decided to call it quits after reception started knocking on the door. Damnit, didn't take so much as a LineID. Because I can always go back to Butterflies, right? Fuck no. But it might be karmic. One to file under memories.

Day after. Back to Butterflies. Finding that wondeful 22 year old dancing her ass off in the topless tub and her older friend who was with that guy living in Vietnam that night we all ended up outside having some food and me paying only barfine and not much else because fucking by end of the night was out of the question due to Mr Jack and his sodas. Yeah I'm weird but also know what I want. And if the lady refuses a modest tip for her time who am I to object to getting a freebie? I'm your humble servant who after that each and every fucking time gets her a drink and drop a 100 into her panties when I see her on stage. And her older tattood friend. Well. Next birthday I'm taking them LT both. That'll be fun once they start going down on each other. And me. Probably in Meet the World just to make things completely depraved. Because the bottom never looked so good if observed through the thick end of a bottle of Jack.

Back to that gonzo night. Land me in familiar Spankies. Now gents (and probably odd lady here). I've been a patron of Spanky's since the dark days of Covid, and way before when I was but a tourist, a simple budding monger see. I've seen Spankies at its good, at it's shitty and at it's boring. I've seen Captain Horndog, I've seen the new young guy trying to not fuck up too badly.

But tonight.

This was something fucking else.

Cookie was there, after breaking up with her ex. The idiot ex, was supposed to be the One. Didn't work out. He doesn't even fucking know she has a uni diploma and can sell ice to an Eskimo just like she sold apartments before deciding dancing and fucking is just more fun, no sir. Cookie can also be amazing company, nevermind taking her ST / LT, just do some drinks.

Ah on amazing. Rujapa if that's her name. The boss of Spankys. The sexiest fucking ever boss in Nana, (co-?)Owning Spankys and Blondie, always ready with a smile and your humble reporter's silent suffering ever since I laid eyes on her. Stickman, you did not pass on my public "love letter to her" - not sure whether to tell you to go fuck yourself or thank you, because it was probably too weird when I wrote that whisky fueled email, not unlike this post.

But tonight. Rujapa took me to the stage, had drinks with me, flashed that incredible smile and along with Cookie made me feel like I'm in 7th heaven while show went on onstage. Some stuff no photo or video can record better then my own memory.

Somewhere between rounds, my eyes fall upon the North Indian couple so enthralled in the Spanky's show that yours truly couldn't resist buying both a drink. Had yours truly continued, the female part of due would have gone to some lenghts to continue what she was starting to display. But that's a story best continued in fantasy. May Karma bless them, grant them some good fucks, good cums and good sexy fucking babies.

Goddamnit Bangkok, I love you. Fuck you, and happy fucking.

Happy in that post-drinking McDonalds, trying to make sure all those Jack&soda's don't completely fuck me up in the morning. Happy on that mototaxi driving home, breathing in the unexpected smell of the sea along Phloenchit, then barbecue along Ratchaprarop and so on. While me and moto driver passed next ot RPrarop soi 18 where party goes on waaaay past 2 am. And nearby Rainbow Pub which plays the absolute best thai folk love songs with drunk or semidrunk thais dancing along.

And all of the above written with a heavy head. Thinking that next time Patpong warrants another visit. Because Tata in Black Pagoda that can massage a dick through pants like no other is waiting, you just never know who might walk into King's castle and if all else fails suffering a bit of urethritis after Meet The World just might be worth the debauchery (and yes. Let your imagination on deparavity run wild, those ladies at MTW can do that and more, blow you fucking mind out of this world and leave you wanting for more). What fucking city. Fuck yeah.

Goddamnit Bangkok, I love you. Thank you, fuck you, and happy fucking. I might not need it as much, but I sure as fuck am not moving anywhere anytime soon.

[CaliGuy33]

Short little report from a admittedly green and undoubtedly dumb newbie here in BKK. Staying at JW Marriott right near Nana. For the light sleepers out there, it is NOT soundproofed well at all despite stating on the site that it's supposedly soundproofed. Really pissed me off because getting some sleep here even with earplugs has been quite a challenge. Everything else about the hotel, as you'd expect from a Marriott, is top-notch.

Anyway, onto the shit that people will actually care about. I'm a Thai American and have a lovely Thai girlfriend back home, so I wanted to try something else here in BKK. I like curvy women and opted to try out an African broad. Have seen that their reputation is far from stellar on these forums.

Trust the reports, fellas.

I got an African broad off of Soi 4 and it went pretty much par for the course. Told her 2000ST for basically an extended blowjob session no cover. She agreed and came over. I locked all my things in my safe prior to her arrival. When she got here, she asked if she needed to even undress because it was just a blowjob. Told her yes, dear, you should take off your top at the very least.

Onto my dick she went. Initially a decent blowjob with her trying to go deepthroat and kiss my balls. I'm not a huge guy, maybe even below average, but she was making a show about how deepthroat was not something she'd be doing for any extended amount of time. After blowing me for less than 10 minutes, she stops and says something to the tune of "huh, not done yet?

Said nope, and she tried to gave a halfhearted handjob. Started getting soft and was, quite frankly, getting a bit pissed about the whole experience so far. I told her I'd like her to continue her mouth work. She said nah.

OK.

At this point, I just said fuck it and just jerked off. Told her to open her mouth when I was about to finish, and she endearingly asked "you want to come in my mouth? Laughed, and then declined the thoughtful gesture. Came on her ass instead and she responded with a groan. Paid her the 2000 and she was off into the night again.

With my grand sample size of 1, I have to say the field reports on African ladies here in BKK are all accurate. Again, I'm an idiot and am very green, so keep that in mind if you've read this far. Probably will try to find a curvy Thai lady and hope things go better.

*If anyone has experience with submissive escorts, any race, in BKK, I'd love to learn more. Thinking about checking out Demonia and facefucking a submissive, so might post about that experience later.

Signing off, gents.If all you wanted was a BJ just go to a BJ bar. Less than half of what you paid and always reliable and convenient.

[AlwaysHorny 2]

Someone please explain to me why they love Bangkok?

Are you an older gentleman and massages / escorts are your thing?

Are you a straight monger that can't get sex on a normal basis from at least decent looking women back home?

Or, do you live here permanently and have the time to uncover and polish the gems?

Staying anything less than a few months here, and it is a sh*t show IHMO.

So many games, straight up con people, and fake smiles. Not to include what I feel is outright prejudices towards Blacks regardless how you present yourself. I'll be in Thailand for at least another 3 weeks and I can't wait to leave Bangkok this morning. I couldn't even sleep well during the night I was soo pissed that I allowed myself to be jerked around on Soi Cowboy last night. I should have known better. Don't remember the bar, but it is either next to or two doors down from Suzy Wongs. I only got sucked in because NOTHING was looking alluring enough to pay stupid prices and a real cutie SEEMED interested enough that just maybe she'll barfine. If not, no biggie. I'll have a couple drinks with her and bounce. I didn't care to spend a little change for small time chatting and BS'and with a hot young thang.

Each time it was "2" drinks for her. Long story short, I burned $100 in record time. That shock came when I felt barfining here was not an option and asked for the bill. Prices were insane and she said something to the effect that she does not do that. I would have been ok spending half of that, but the quick work to drive the bar tab up left a very bad taste in my mouth. Soi Cowboy will NEVER get one dime from me. It's my first time during this week that I asked about the barfine and then get rejected in a sense.

I did pick up a FL on Suh Thursday night that was good enough for a ST play. Nothing to write home about. The funny thing is she kept saying. You handsome on the ride down the elevator to let her out. If I was soo handsome, why the f*ck didn't you act like it in the session? The service was meh.

I did get an amazing massage at the Health Land in Ekkamai. I got the 90 minute aromatherapy oil massage. I asked for hard pressure and man those little elbows went to work. I felt like a noodle when she finished. It did surprise me when she basically scooted down the underwear they provided. There's no way in hell a man can massage me like that. At one point I tensed as it seemed like she was about to plucker my backside at one point.

So many details, so little desire to type all this stuff out. I appreciate you guys that take the time to list all this stuff. I'll probably post just interesting tidbits going forward. I'm going to try to relax in Rawai / Patong Beach. I need to wash the Bangkok filth away and reset. This has had to be my worst mongering experience ever and I've been at this at least 15 years and 5 continents. However, I do think I would be ok if I lived in Bangkok. I wouldn't ever go in the tourist zones. Lots of women demanding regular relationships online.

[Lcale1982]

Someone please explain to me why they love Bangkok?

Are you an older gentleman and massages / escorts are your thing?

Are you a straight monger that can't get sex on a normal basis from at least decent looking women back home?

Or, do you live here permanently and have the time to uncover and polish the gems?
Fortunately I'm not black so I won't feel the racists stuff you're probably encountering. Encountered some racism towards whites in Thermae cafe, where they seem to prefer asian customers. They'd refuse white customers or just give them higher prices. I guess middle aged and there for the escorts, massages not really my thing. Yup don't care to put in the effort to get a woman back home so I pay to let loose. Just got back from a few weeks in Pattaya and BKK and had a blast. I feel a lot more workers in Pattaya or at least more concentrated in a small area. Maybe you'll find someone who will treat you better.

[Goatscrot]

Someone please explain to me why they love Bangkok?

Are you an older gentleman and massages / escorts are your thing?

Are you a straight monger that can't get sex on a normal basis from at least decent looking women back home?

Or, do you live here permanently and have the time to uncover and polish the gems?

Staying anything less than a few months here, and it is a sh*t show IHMO.

So many games, straight up con people, and fake smiles. Not to include what I feel is outright prejudices towards Blacks regardless how you present yourself. I'll be in Thailand for at least another 3 weeks and I can't wait to leave Bangkok this morning. I couldn't even sleep well during the night I was soo pissed that I allowed myself to be jerked around on Soi Cowboy last night. I should have known better. Don't remember the bar, but it is either next to or two doors down from Suzy Wongs. I only got sucked in because NOTHING was looking alluring enough to pay stupid prices and a real cutie SEEMED interested enough that just maybe she'll barfine. If not, no biggie. I'll have a couple drinks with her and bounce. I didn't care to spend a little change for small time chatting and BS'and with a hot young thang.

Each time it was "2" drinks for her. Long story short, I burned $100 in record time. That shock came when I felt barfining here was not an option and asked for the bill. Prices were insane and she said something to the effect that she does not do that. I would have been ok spending half of that, but the quick work to drive the bar tab up left a very bad taste in my mouth. Soi Cowboy will NEVER get one dime from me. It's my first time during this week that I asked about the barfine and then get rejected in a sense.

I did pick up a FL on Suh Thursday night that was good enough for a ST play. Nothing to write home about. The funny thing is she kept saying. You handsome on the ride down the elevator to let her out. If I was soo handsome, why the f*ck didn't you act like it in the session? The service was meh.

I did get an amazing massage at the Health Land in Ekkamai. I got the 90 minute aromatherapy oil massage. I asked for hard pressure and man those little elbows went to work. I felt like a noodle when she finished. It did surprise me when she basically scooted down the underwear they provided. There's no way in hell a man can massage me like that. At one point I tensed as it seemed like she was about to plucker my backside at one point.

So many details, so little desire to type all this stuff out. I appreciate you guys that take the time to list all this stuff. I'll probably post just interesting tidbits going forward. I'm going to try to relax in Rawai / Patong Beach. I need to wash the Bangkok filth away and reset. This has had to be my worst mongering experience ever and I've been at this at least 15 years and 5 continents. However, I do think I would be ok if I lived in Bangkok. I wouldn't ever go in the tourist zones. Lots of women demanding regular relationships online.The draw? Well, as ia two decades plus resident I'll tell you the city does have a lot of draws. It's incredibly vibrant, has many varied and interesting neighborhoods, more fantastic restaurants and food stalls then you could eat at for the rest of your life, a fairly good public transportation system, an affordable cost of living, and for dudes that live here a very good gal scene. Honestly, I know very few if any long-term residents who fish in the Nana area. About the only time I go there is to eat Arab food on Soi 3/1, and even then the area is a bit hard to take. Oh, it was pretty amazing a quarter of a century ago and the Go-Go's and Street scene along with thermae and Nana disco were absolutely off the charts wonderful. I haven't ventured inside a go-go bar in ages and have no plans to do so. But for the local that speaks a little bit of the language and has the patience for the online scene there are some incredible gems out there for about the same price if not a little bit more than we were paying in 2000.

I can certainly understand why the draw for the p4 p tourist is not so great, but for those that live here, it's pretty incredible.

[ElMexicant]

Someone please explain to me why they love Bangkok?

Are you an older gentleman and massages / escorts are your thing?

Are you a straight monger that can't get sex on a normal basis from at least decent looking women back home?

Or, do you live here permanently and have the time to uncover and polish the gems?

Staying anything less than a few months here, and it is a sh*t show IHMO.

So many games, straight up con people, and fake smiles. Not to include what I feel is outright prejudices towards Blacks regardless how you present yourself. I'll be in Thailand for at least another 3 weeks and I can't wait to leave Bangkok this morning. I couldn't even sleep well during the night I was soo pissed that I allowed myself to be jerked around on Soi Cowboy last night. I should have known better. Don't remember the bar, but it is either next to or two doors down from Suzy Wongs. I only got sucked in because NOTHING was looking alluring enough to pay stupid prices and a real cutie SEEMED interested enough that just maybe she'll barfine. If not, no biggie. I'll have a couple drinks with her and bounce. I didn't care to spend a little change for small time chatting and BS'and with a hot young thang.

Each time it was "2" drinks for her. Long story short, I burned $100 in record time. That shock came when I felt barfining here was not an option and asked for the bill. Prices were insane and she said something to the effect that she does not do that. I would have been ok spending half of that, but the quick work to drive the bar tab up left a very bad taste in my mouth. Soi Cowboy will NEVER get one dime from me. It's my first time during this week that I asked about the barfine and then get rejected in a sense.

I did pick up a FL on Suh Thursday night that was good enough for a ST play. Nothing to write home about. The funny thing is she kept saying. You handsome on the ride down the elevator to let her out. If I was soo handsome, why the f*ck didn't you act like it in the session? The service was meh.

I did get an amazing massage at the Health Land in Ekkamai. I got the 90 minute aromatherapy oil massage. I asked for hard pressure and man those little elbows went to work. I felt like a noodle when she finished. It did surprise me when she basically scooted down the underwear they provided. There's no way in hell a man can massage me like that. At one point I tensed as it seemed like she was about to plucker my backside at one point.

So many details, so little desire to type all this stuff out. I appreciate you guys that take the time to list all this stuff. I'll probably post just interesting tidbits going forward. I'm going to try to relax in Rawai / Patong Beach. I need to wash the Bangkok filth away and reset. This has had to be my worst mongering experience ever and I've been at this at least 15 years and 5 continents. However, I do think I would be ok if I lived in Bangkok. I wouldn't ever go in the tourist zones. Lots of women demanding regular relationships online.It has been well discussed that these bar girls lie and play games. You fell for those games and their hustles. Why didn't you ask first before you even bought one drink for her if you can fuck her? Your own ego that these girls are genuinely looking for love? It's their damn job to hustle. Not sure why guys don't get this.

[Nyezhov]

The draw? Well, as ia two decades plus resident I'll tell you the city does have a lot of draws. It's incredibly vibrant, has many varied and interesting neighborhoods, more fantastic restaurants and food stalls then you could eat at for the rest of your life, a fairly good public transportation system, an affordable cost of living, and for dudes that live here a very good gal scene. Honestly, I know very few if any long-term residents who fish in the Nana area. About the only time I go there is to eat Arab food on Soi 3/1, and even then the area is a bit hard to take. Oh, it was pretty amazing a quarter of a century ago and the Go-Go's and Street scene along with thermae and Nana disco were absolutely off the charts wonderful. I haven't ventured inside a go-go bar in ages and have no plans to do so. But for the local that speaks a little bit of the language and has the patience for the online scene there are some incredible gems out there for about the same price if not a little bit more than we were paying in 2000.

I can certainly understand why the draw for the p4 p tourist is not so great, but for those that live here, it's pretty incredible.What he said, except I fish around Nana once in a while (its a schlep from where I am) and I think the transit is superb. Once of the other reasons I come here is not to have to drive endlessly to do anything.

But I'm only a part timer.

[Nyezhov]

For MBK from that area (Ekkamai), I just take the BTS. However, after 3 years, I'd forgotten, and got off at Siam, looking for MBK. Luckily, I remembered it was a change before exiting, so just walked down and caught the BTS to National Stadium. Unfortunately, Dunkin' Donuts no longer sells the Bavarian chocolate, the cream filled chocolate topped donuts. Not a complete loss, walked back out and jumped back on the BTS to Patpong to do my own cream filling.

Curious, which Soi was Happiness on? Soi 23? For a good, legit massage in the Ekkamai area, try Soi 55's Yama Herbal Massage, less than a 100 M from Thong Lo BTS station, left hand side as you're walking away from Sukhumvit. Extras were offered, but I just went for the massage. 700 baht for 90 minutes. Search to find FR's.Siam BTS to MBK is only a football field walk.

[SiamMan]

The draw? Well, as ia two decades plus resident I'll tell you the city does have a lot of draws. It's incredibly vibrant, has many varied and interesting neighborhoods, more fantastic restaurants and food stalls then you could eat at for the rest of your life, a fairly good public transportation system, an affordable cost of living, and for dudes that live here a very good gal scene. Honestly, I know very few if any long-term residents who fish in the Nana area. About the only time I go there is to eat Arab food on Soi 3/1, and even then the area is a bit hard to take. Oh, it was pretty amazing a quarter of a century ago and the Go-Go's and Street scene along with thermae and Nana disco were absolutely off the charts wonderful. I haven't ventured inside a go-go bar in ages and have no plans to do so. But for the local that speaks a little bit of the language and has the patience for the online scene there are some incredible gems out there for about the same price if not a little bit more than we were paying in 2000.

I can certainly understand why the draw for the p4 p tourist is not so great, but for those that live here, it's pretty incredible.As another long-term resident I can only agree with everything that Goatscrot says here. It tallies perfectly with my experience. In terms of P4P, however, I would still say that there are plenty of options for the visiting tourist; depending on your preferences the proliferation of Massage Parlours for example certainly provides plenty of easily accessible opportunities. The only time I venture downtown is to treat myself to the occasional Nuru Massage. Obviously, the scene cannot compare with how is used to be; but speaking a bit of Thai, and having the time needed to sort the wheat from the chaff does mean that, for me, there is no place I would rather be.

[EihTooms]

Someone please explain to me why they love Bangkok?

Are you an older gentleman and massages / escorts are your thing?

Are you a straight monger that can't get sex on a normal basis from at least decent looking women back home?

Or, do you live here permanently and have the time to uncover and polish the gems?

Staying anything less than a few months here, and it is a sh*t show IHMO.

So many games, straight up con people, and fake smiles. Not to include what I feel is outright prejudices towards Blacks regardless how you present yourself. I'll be in Thailand for at least another 3 weeks and I can't wait to leave Bangkok this morning. I couldn't even sleep well during the night I was soo pissed that I allowed myself to be jerked around on Soi Cowboy last night. I should have known better. Don't remember the bar, but it is either next to or two doors down from Suzy Wongs. I only got sucked in because NOTHING was looking alluring enough to pay stupid prices and a real cutie SEEMED interested enough that just maybe she'll barfine. If not, no biggie. I'll have a couple drinks with her and bounce. I didn't care to spend a little change for small time chatting and BS'and with a hot young thang.

Each time it was "2" drinks for her. Long story short, I burned $100 in record time. That shock came when I felt barfining here was not an option and asked for the bill. Prices were insane and she said something to the effect that she does not do that. I would have been ok spending half of that, but the quick work to drive the bar tab up left a very bad taste in my mouth. Soi Cowboy will NEVER get one dime from me. It's my first time during this week that I asked about the barfine and then get rejected in a sense.

I did pick up a FL on Suh Thursday night that was good enough for a ST play. Nothing to write home about. The funny thing is she kept saying. You handsome on the ride down the elevator to let her out. If I was soo handsome, why the f*ck didn't you act like it in the session? The service was meh.

I did get an amazing massage at the Health Land in Ekkamai. I got the 90 minute aromatherapy oil massage. I asked for hard pressure and man those little elbows went to work. I felt like a noodle when she finished. It did surprise me when she basically scooted down the underwear they provided. There's no way in hell a man can massage me like that. At one point I tensed as it seemed like she was about to plucker my backside at one point.

So many details, so little desire to type all this stuff out. I appreciate you guys that take the time to list all this stuff. I'll probably post just interesting tidbits going forward. I'm going to try to relax in Rawai / Patong Beach. I need to wash the Bangkok filth away and reset. This has had to be my worst mongering experience ever and I've been at this at least 15 years and 5 continents. However, I do think I would be ok if I lived in Bangkok. I wouldn't ever go in the tourist zones. Lots of women demanding regular relationships online.I am an older gentleman, almost 70, medium build and height white guy. Since my approach and goal is to get an upfront agreement for Real Sex / BBFSCIP before I proceed to barfine or take a girl, I am one of those years long expats who chooses to monger with gogo girls and street / club Freelancers and have little use for Massage Shops, so-called PSE Shops, Happy Ending shops, Escorts, Sideliner sites and the like. I want to see, assess and meet my potential session girls in the flesh with as much of their flesh on display as possible, to interact face to face and get an agreement for the above when the male and female chemistry for fucking is at a peak.

I must say the number of ladies in the venues I choose were notably higher as was my success rate in getting that upfront agreement in the years pre Covid than they have been post Covid. There are now fewer girls I want to have Real Sex / BBFSCIP with and inferior service from the ones I do approach and take.

So I tend to spend more time and money on the remaining stable of girls I met pre Covid and only occasionally set out to meet new ones.

I would also say your efforts to strike gold on Soi Cowboy is really stretching the challenge to do so to its breaking point. I consider Soi Cowboy to be Scam Central of all the red light districts and venues in Bangkok.

I chuckle when I read FRs extolling the better lookers on Soi Cowboy vs Nana Plaza, Soi 7 or even Patpong. Yeah, 90% of those Soi Cowboy lookers are Lady Drink Only Hustlers, Coyotes with strict instructions by their real employers NOT to go with a customer and to stay right there in or in front of the bar hustling LDs and nothing else until the minivans arrive at closing time or the end of their shift to whisk them away and to a non Real Sex or even barrier sex with farang safety zone.

BTW, the tip off that you are being dragged in or cajoled into a bar by a Lady Drink Only Hustler Coyote is she is wearing pantyhose. Check for that before you even bother with amusing banter about how hansum you are and how hot she is to be with you tonight. The idea being no part of their skin leading up to their vagina is to make direct contact with the skin of your hand or any other part of your body that might transmit pleasure signals to your brain.

And you can always ask, "Are you a Coyote? Do you go with customers?" before you go inside the bar and waste one baht on them. Generally, they will either be truthful about it and say Yes or they will immediately drop their smiles, their sexy demeanor, your hand and step away from you after being busted on their scam.

One other thing about this expat vs tourist thing. It is definitely not a built-in advantage for me as an expat living here to get Real Sex / BBFSCIP with newer girls vs your typical tourist newbie. In fact, it might as likely be a disadvantage.

1. If you exhibit any game and ability to easily bed down many women even for free and that many of them would be inclined to fuck you bareback, each new girl you meet will not only imagine you must be riddled with STDs but that they will be the proud exception and, besides, you can get so many ladies and all of them fucking you bareback, what is one crappy session that goes sour to you? You'll get another in 10 minutes. LOL.

2. As opposed to the newbie tourist who perhaps appears to be unlikely to have gotten laid in his own country for a year or even in Thailand yet, a full court press on the girl's part to rock your world and provide an initial session better than any other girl would means she will actually have to work for the money each and every time. You are not on a limited schedule. You're not going anywhere else. If she expects make a living off your money she will have to fuck and suck a pole many, many times in the future for it.

3. However, if she sets out to rock the world of a newbie tourist, first of all she will feel confident in doing so because her competition, other girls who she believes have given you Real Sex / BBFSCIP, is very limited. And that means you are "safer" in her mind. But most importantly, all she has to do in many cases is rock that dude's world just a few times before he returns to his sexless home country. Whereupon she has probably learned by now that Mr. Lonelyheart will continue to send her money, good money, for several months after the last time his dick came within a thousand miles of her various orifices. Now that is a much better deal for her.

[11Bravo]

Glad Michelle was ok. Thanks for the update.

That is ok if you book online but if you are a walk in and want to see a girl, like I did it is not acceptable. The majority of punters who read this forum want to be sure they are not wasting their had earned. Too many times I have read about photo shopped girls at Kokoro and other places. When you walk in and the place is empty and you just ask politely to see the ladies and the Mama says no. You just walk like I did. I will never walk in too Kokoro again.

Pretty and Premier 101 both marched their girls out and I picked the hottest from both line ups. I have both these exquisite young hot ladies on line and will see them again. Both of them were under 30 hot and smiled at me in the way a 60: plus man likes to be smiled at. I then had 2 shots and an amazing time with both ladies. This May not happen if you end up with a photo shopped girl who is 20 pounds and years older than her photo. Nuff Said.I agree, as I said, I prefer a live lineup. It's a RARE occurrence that I pick from a photo, BUT sometimes, inquiring minds want to know, and worth the price to me to find out. In fact, Kokoro and Don Quixote are the FIRST experiences with a tablet. And both of those were off my radar until Newton York's excellent set of FR's. But my life is too short to be upset with a shop's policy; their shop, their rules. Obviously works for both of them. Like you, if I didn't care to take the gamble, I'd walk. And the main reason I posted my FR about Kokoro, that at least one girl's photo reasonably matched the girl (in person, actual face and body, she was better live). How the others match, have no idea, but wouldn't hesitate to try again.

But thanks for the Pretty and Premier 101 recommendations. Will keep them I mind. (Trink fan?)

[The Kaiser]

And now what I see is picture of us, with FAKE review. I didn't write any rewiev on Fiwfans about her, nor on Sidelane. So guys be careful when read rewievs, take it with big reserve as probably many of them are fake.I was wondering about those photos and reviews. If the photo is unedited, that's still pretty good information imo. I assumed most were written with the lady in the room and people didn't want to be rude. I wish the girls didn't block out their faces though, since that's usually more important to me personally.


Get off for a short walk to crazy house side of Cowboy, right to Dollhouse. Upstairs of course, do I look like a tourist that'll gawp at dressed ladies downstairs? Well. There's 4 girls up here and sure they're all in their best birthday suits and smiling.I was there on the same night and downstairs had about 6 fully nude girls, maybe an equal amount of clothed girls and good handful of punters.


decided to call it quits after reception started knocking on the door.Maybe they just wanted to join in.


Fuck you, and happy fucking.

fuck you, and happy fuckingMy catchphrase is catching on!



Each time it was "2" drinks for her. Long story short, I burned $100 in record time. That shock came when I felt barfining here was not an option and asked for the bill. Prices were insane and she said something to the effect that she does not do that. I would have been ok spending half of that, but the quick work to drive the bar tab up left a very bad taste in my mouth. Soi Cowboy will NEVER get one dime from me. It's my first time during this week that I asked about the barfine and then get rejected in a sense.Yeah, when they order 2 drinks at once, it's a red flag for me. Instant refusal is better than wasting time and money. Also I made it a point to ask the mamasan, "Bar Fine, Ok?" each time I asked for a girl or when I called over a girl directly and she asked me to buy her a drink. I still remember the blue contact lenses of that cute Coyote from King's Castle who taught me this lesson.


The funny thing is she kept saying. You handsome on the ride down the elevator to let her out.I had this happen to me a bunch as well. It was usually as we were getting dressed or in that post-coital glow. I had assumed it was just filler pillow talk, but maybe it's a way to leave an impression for potential future sales.


So many details, so little desire to type all this stuff out.I can definitely relate, but there's a good few details in this one too, so it makes for a nice read. Also it's nice to know I'm not the only one who views Cowboy in this light.


Lots of women demanding regular relationships online.I DO NOT have the patience for online dating sadly. Too much time and effort before any in person interaction for my liking.


Fortunately I'm not blackThis sounds like a great punchline, but I'm having trouble with the set up.

[XXL]

Someone please explain to me why they love Bangkok?

Are you an older gentleman and massages / escorts are your thing?

Are you a straight monger that can't get sex on a normal basis from at least decent looking women back home?

Or, do you live here permanently and have the time to uncover and polish the gems?

Staying anything less than a few months here, and it is a sh*t show IHMO.

So many games, straight up con people, and fake smiles. Not to include what I feel is outright prejudices towards Blacks regardless how you present yourself. I'll be in Thailand for at least another 3 weeks and I can't wait to leave Bangkok this morning. I couldn't even sleep well during the night I was soo pissed that I allowed myself to be jerked around on Soi Cowboy last night. I should have known better. Don't remember the bar, but it is either next to or two doors down from Suzy Wongs. I only got sucked in because NOTHING was looking alluring enough to pay stupid prices and a real cutie SEEMED interested enough that just maybe she'll barfine. If not, no biggie. I'll have a couple drinks with her and bounce. I didn't care to spend a little change for small time chatting and BS'and with a hot young thang.

Each time it was "2" drinks for her. Long story short, I burned $100 in record time. That shock came when I felt barfining here was not an option and asked for the bill. Prices were insane and she said something to the effect that she does not do that. I would have been ok spending half of that, but the quick work to drive the bar tab up left a very bad taste in my mouth. Soi Cowboy will NEVER get one dime from me....

...Join the club. I am not black, more like off white. Bangkok never worked for me. It didn't before Covid and it doesn't now. I speak some Thai and I even tried the Bangkok online Thai website (don't remember the website name, someting beginning wit "fw" I think). I went to meet a girl from that website two hours away at the other side of town and got scammed big time.

I spend all my mongering time in Pattaya. I would leave Thailand asap if I had to live in Bangkok.

[11Bravo]

Someone please explain to me why they love Bangkok?

Are you an older gentleman and massages / escorts are your thing?

Are you a straight monger that can't get sex on a normal basis from at least decent looking women back home?

Or, do you live here permanently and have the time to uncover and polish the gems?

Staying anything less than a few months here, and it is a sh*t show IHMO.

So many games, straight up con people, and fake smiles. Not to include what I feel is outright prejudices towards Blacks regardless how you present yourself. I'll be in Thailand for at least another 3 weeks and I can't wait to leave Bangkok this morning. I couldn't even sleep well during the night I was soo pissed that I allowed myself to be jerked around on Soi Cowboy last night. I should have known better. Don't remember the bar, but it is either next to or two doors down from Suzy Wongs. I only got sucked in because NOTHING was looking alluring enough to pay stupid prices and a real cutie SEEMED interested enough that just maybe she'll barfine. If not, no biggie. I'll have a couple drinks with her and bounce. I didn't care to spend a little change for small time chatting and BS'and with a hot young thang.

Each time it was "2" drinks for her. Long story short, I burned $100 in record time. That shock came when I felt barfining here was not an option and asked for the bill. Prices were insane and she said something to the effect that she does not do that. I would have been ok spending half of that, but the quick work to drive the bar tab up left a very bad taste in my mouth. Soi Cowboy will NEVER get one dime from me. It's my first time during this week that I asked about the barfine and then get rejected in a sense.

I did pick up a FL on Suh Thursday night that was good enough for a ST play. Nothing to write home about. The funny thing is she kept saying. You handsome on the ride down the elevator to let her out. If I was soo handsome, why the f*ck didn't you act like it in the session? The service was meh.

I did get an amazing massage at the Health Land in Ekkamai. I got the 90 minute aromatherapy oil massage. I asked for hard pressure and man those little elbows went to work. I felt like a noodle when she finished. It did surprise me when she basically scooted down the underwear they provided. There's no way in hell a man can massage me like that. At one point I tensed as it seemed like she was about to plucker my backside at one point.

So many details, so little desire to type all this stuff out. I appreciate you guys that take the time to list all this stuff. I'll probably post just interesting tidbits going forward. I'm going to try to relax in Rawai / Patong Beach. I need to wash the Bangkok filth away and reset. This has had to be my worst mongering experience ever and I've been at this at least 15 years and 5 continents. However, I do think I would be ok if I lived in Bangkok. I wouldn't ever go in the tourist zones. Lots of women demanding regular relationships online.By Cracky, you young whippersnapper, I ought to get out my walker, stand up, and shake my fist at you, but my oxygen tank is getting a bit low, so can't afford the exertion.

Seriously, you sound mad about being played, and, with all due respect, you were played. You said it yourself. Likewise, with due respect, with 15 years and 5 continents experience, you don't know to ask the price FIRST, check the bill at least the first time it comes to see what you're being charged, and check barfine possibility before getting seriously involved with lady drinks? OK, it's not that I'm so smart, not chastising you, those things are just things I have to remind myself to do. I've been played for sure. And I've certainly fallen into that complacent trap; why FR's like yours try and remind me to be careful. Very few advantages of getting old, but gaining experience is one. Reading the last 10 pages here, The Kaiser comes to mind, you're not the first to be snagged, and there's warnings for all. (Isn't that side of Cowboy the Arab's side?) If you understand a bit about Thai culture, smiles are de rigueur, real preferred, but fake acceptable. Been reported here and by Stick that a number of bars define a lady drink as "alcohol AND mixer", 2 drinks.

I like it because most every girl I meet calls me a "hansum man", and I just know they're telling the truth, but for some strange reason, none can look me in the eyes when saying it. Strange, must be a Thai custom. I've never been a resident here, but 30 years visiting, BKK does feel familiar. I still know how to get around, the public transportation system has grown amazingly, and I find the changes (mostly) interesting. The city is alive, the food is fantastic (though I can't see coming to Thailand and NOT always eating Thai food). And look at it this way, you made some lady happy, so why so selfish? Sanuk. Some things I don't like: Dunkin Donuts no longer sells the chocolate Bavarian, SOL seems to have closed, Bier Garden is a shell of itself, and Viva 26 bar at Chatachak is GONE. And these days, I think if you come here SOLELY for the gogo scene, you will be disappointed, especially if you're familiar with, as Goatscot says, 25 years ago. As the Thais say, "same, same, but different". Plenty of things to see up-country, history, temples, and all. BKK is a good jumping off point for other countries, though Myanmar seems to me no-go right now. But Malaysia, Laos, Cambodia, VietNam (still have to check out the 'Nastyland one of my trips).

My solution: go get a salt tapping at Sakura Akasuri up on Soi 55, step over to Foodland's Took Lae Dee restaurant a couple blocks further down, sit at the counter, have a decent Thai meal and watch the chefs working, then walk a couple more blocks down to &Ampersand on the corner of 55 and soi 13, for some FANTASTIC gelato (OK, so much for my ONLY Thai food, I'm NOT a fanatic). Hey, it's ice cream, who doesn't like ice cream?

I spent a month there and had a great time. Well mostly; at least you haven't caught Covid ....

[Axel Heyst]

How many times going back at least a decade have warned people about Soi Cowboy's notorious rip off "Arab's" Go Go's and still punters fall for the come on pretty girls beckoning outside. I remember Pre-Covid a few idiots even argued that they liked the "Arab"s no barfine Go Go's because the girls were pretty and they enjoyed talking to them. What the fuck! But hey, there are all kinds of people out there. So, this is BKK. You ain't in Kansas, Dorothy. There is no better business bureau to complain to. Let the buyer beware and if you are not aware tough luck.

And yet it is worth mentioning that there are still a few BKK Go Go's worth going to even though their post-Covid prices seem to have hit the stratosphere. Maybe more people will read the negative reports, realize that a short visit can be fairly expensive, and fewer of them will come. Ha Ha. That is the hope anyway, but I am not going to hold my breath waiting for it. With the legalization or decriminalization of weed or whatever you want to call it, I think more people not less are going to visit over the next decade. Oh well. BKK had a good run. I am glad I first came here in'89 even though things then were not as good as they were in the '60's.

[ElFlaco172]

Made an appointment with Mia at doki doki again for 90 minutes. She looks great as always but she really isn't GFE. I thought I could get through to her this session but no. Always closes her eyes or looks away and DFK is not on on the table. She is shy which made for a more boring session. I also realised that longer sessions are not worth it for me because like they say: "you take too long" so I always ended doing only 1 shot. For the extra 30 minutes, I basically paid for a mediocre thai massage which to be fair was more relaxing than any real thai massage. I really want to try Doki Doki one more time before I leave but most reviews are old or from girls that currently aren't on the line ups. I have my eyes on Champagne or rose but if anyone knows one that is a good GFE and does DFK that would be great.

[Lcale1982]

I speak some Thai and I even tried the Bangkok online Thai website (don't remember the website name, someting beginning wit "fw" I think). I went to meet a girl from that website two hours away at the other side of town and got scammed big time.I believe you're referring to fiwfans ( Does fiw mean something in thai, any one know what that translate too?) I tried a few ladies there and big thing is they're always P.S. To be lighter skin on the images and yea the face is usually fixed up a bit too. Noticed the ones in agencies tend to give better service at least in my experience (tried like 6 ladies). The agencies do just put up a generic ad for all their ladies so everything listed is not always going to be on the menu. You can probably try go to the familiar location (family themed hotel in khlong toei LOL) where a lot of ladies are and confirm the menu before you pay and just walk out and ask booker for another lady.

Yea I heard reviews can be fake too but I wrote a real one here with an unedited photo of what her body looks like. Found that ones that allow pictures are also more experienced and would have better chance of giving you a good time.

https://fiwfans.com/profile/406raeh0yld26a48i

Namphon was my fav from that agency and would repeat when I'm back. She's gotten pretty popular hence the higher rate. Will need to get a pic next time I visit her.

https://fiwfans.com/sideline/406rae6djlae7vdx5

[CaliGuy33]

Someone please explain to me why they love Bangkok?

Are you an older gentleman and massages / escorts are your thing?

Are you a straight monger that can't get sex on a normal basis from at least decent looking women back home?

Or, do you live here permanently and have the time to uncover and polish the gems?

Staying anything less than a few months here, and it is a sh*t show IHMO.

So many games, straight up con people, and fake smiles. Not to include what I feel is outright prejudices towards Blacks regardless how you present yourself. I'll be in Thailand for at least another 3 weeks and I can't wait to leave Bangkok this morning. I couldn't even sleep well during the night I was soo pissed that I allowed myself to be jerked around on Soi Cowboy last night. I should have known better. Don't remember the bar, but it is either next to or two doors down from Suzy Wongs. I only got sucked in because NOTHING was looking alluring enough to pay stupid prices and a real cutie SEEMED interested enough that just maybe she'll barfine. If not, no biggie. I'll have a couple drinks with her and bounce. I didn't care to spend a little change for small time chatting and BS'and with a hot young thang.

Each time it was "2" drinks for her. Long story short, I burned $100 in record time. That shock came when I felt barfining here was not an option and asked for the bill. Prices were insane and she said something to the effect that she does not do that. I would have been ok spending half of that, but the quick work to drive the bar tab up left a very bad taste in my mouth. Soi Cowboy will NEVER get one dime from me. It's my first time during this week that I asked about the barfine and then get rejected in a sense.

I did pick up a FL on Suh Thursday night that was good enough for a ST play. Nothing to write home about. The funny thing is she kept saying. You handsome on the ride down the elevator to let her out. If I was soo handsome, why the f*ck didn't you act like it in the session? The service was meh.

I did get an amazing massage at the Health Land in Ekkamai. I got the 90 minute aromatherapy oil massage. I asked for hard pressure and man those little elbows went to work. I felt like a noodle when she finished. It did surprise me when she basically scooted down the underwear they provided. There's no way in hell a man can massage me like that. At one point I tensed as it seemed like she was about to plucker my backside at one point.

So many details, so little desire to type all this stuff out. I appreciate you guys that take the time to list all this stuff. I'll probably post just interesting tidbits going forward. I'm going to try to relax in Rawai / Patong Beach. I need to wash the Bangkok filth away and reset. This has had to be my worst mongering experience ever and I've been at this at least 15 years and 5 continents. However, I do think I would be ok if I lived in Bangkok. I wouldn't ever go in the tourist zones. Lots of women demanding regular relationships online.For me, I've found that I don't much enjoy the monger experience in Bangkok and basically only do the touristy stuff there. Mongering in Bangkok is extremely overpriced, Pattaya is much better bang for your buck. Last summer I started in Bangkok and had been chatting off TF with a girl and we met for ST and immediately the upselling began, not to mention she had been using extreme filters and so looked nothing like her pics. That left a bad taste in my mouth regarding Bangkok. For me, everything is just much more straight forward and to the point in Pattaya.

As you said, a lot of con people in Bangkok. You have to remember as a foreigner in Thailand you are just a walking dollar sign to everyone. Just be chill about it and enjoy your time there but don't expect meeting genuine people.

We've all had the horrible travel experiences, specifically with working girls. You can't let it ruin your trip, brush it off and move on to the next.

[CaliGuy33]

Join the club. I am not black, more like off white. Bangkok never worked for me. It didn't before Covid and it doesn't now. I speak some Thai and I even tried the Bangkok online Thai website (don't remember the website name, someting beginning wit "fw" I think). I went to meet a girl from that website two hours away at the other side of town and got scammed big time.

I spend all my mongering time in Pattaya. I would leave Thailand asap if I had to live in Bangkok.I'm in your boat as well. Not black but brown. Just never had success in BKK trying to date or do hookups. So Pattaya has always suited me better. Plus I like being near the water.

[L00PY]

I'm passing through the area and have spent a couple of days here. I visited a couple of times pre-COVID and it's nice being back.

Nana Plaza's okay. I stuck my head into Billboards, Butterflies. Cowboy 5 & 6. I forget which one had the tub with topless women to one side (Butterfiles? I had a drink there but I ended up leaving not too long after. Another spot (Billboards with the caurosel?) had a guy that was doing the "tossing 20 baht notes in the air" deal. It was semi-amusing to watch but I left after four or five tosses.

I also visited Crazy House more than I should. Upstairs was always dead. I overhead another group describe it perfectly as "ratchet". It's smokey and the women aren't the best looking, a mix of bad silicone and only a couple of lookers. But the full nudity makes up for it. The women and mamasans (and one papasan) aren't too pushy, which is nice. I just got drinks and didn't really see too much that interested me. Actually there was one that I wanted and offered a LD drink to but for some reason she went to another guy that must have called her when she was dancing. No biggie. They definitely do the two lady drinks every time here.

I stuck my head in most of the other bars in Soi Cowboy too. Wow, a lot of them are really, really dead. Some are still quite aggressive about pulling you in. I really only enjoyed Baccara, upstairs of course. They rotate through a group of topless and not topless. For an idea of a tab, my juice and two separate lady drinks ended up being 650 baht or so. I'm going to make a broad generalization and say the only ones going to here are ones that aren't trying that hard to draw in the masses. You don't need coyotes if the talent's inside.

I also swung through Thermae. It's very much hit or miss. I'd say 10-20% of them are wearing masks right now, but they'll lower them upon request. The standard seems to have risen to 3 k baht for ST, though 2. 5 k is also out there. I think earlier in the night is really the best bet for selection.

Finally, I made a pass up Soi 3 looking for the Russians that used to be out that way. I didn't see anything at the Grace Hotel or Royal Garden. I guess they got raided and never reopened. The halal spot I like is still there so it wasn't a total loss.

The exchange rate right now is actually very, very close to what it was when I last visited. I feel that inflation has hit slightly with food costs and everything else. Not a ton, but enough that when I was here last time it felt like everything was really inexpensive and now it feels like it's not too bad.

I'm off to Pattaya in the morning, which I only visited once pre-COVID. I hear things have shifted a bit so I might bounce around hotels.

[Paolo99]

I believe you're referring to fiwfans ( Does fiw mean something in thai, any one know what that translate too?)"Fiw" means "to feel", it's not a Thai word but when Thais say the word "feel" (in English) it sounds like "fiw".

"Fan" is for girlfriend, so "FiwFan " means "GFE" or "feeling like a girlfriend".

[Ucgdx]

Nana Plaza's okay. I stuck my head into Billboards, Butterflies. Cowboy 5 & 6. I forget which one had the tub with topless women to one side (Butterfiles? I had a drink there but I ended up leaving not too long after. Another spot (Billboards with the caurosel?) had a guy that was doing the "tossing 20 baht notes in the air" deal. It was semi-amusing to watch but I left after four or five tosses.
I thought it was a crime to throw money on the ground because of the risk of stepping on the king's face?

[Gilolo]

I am an older gentleman, almost 70, medium build and height white guy. Since my approach and goal is to get an upfront agreement for Real Sex / BBFSCIP before I proceed to barfine or take a girl, I am one of those years long expats who chooses to monger with gogo girls and street / club Freelancers and have little use for Massage Shops, so-called PSE Shops, Happy Ending shops, Escorts, Sideliner sites and the like. I want to see, assess and meet my potential session girls in the flesh with as much of their flesh on display as possible, to interact face to face and get an agreement for the above when the male and female chemistry for fucking is at a peak.

I must say the number of ladies in the venues I choose were notably higher as was my success rate in getting that upfront agreement in the years pre Covid than they have been post Covid. There are now fewer girls I want to have Real Sex / BBFSCIP with and inferior service from the ones I do approach and take.

So I tend to spend more time and money on the remaining stable of girls I met pre Covid and only occasionally set out to meet new ones.

I would also say your efforts to strike gold on Soi Cowboy is really stretching the challenge to do so to its breaking point. I consider Soi Cowboy to be Scam Central of all the red light districts and venues in Bangkok.

I chuckle when I read FRs extolling the better lookers on Soi Cowboy vs Nana Plaza, Soi 7 or even Patpong. Yeah, 90% of those Soi Cowboy lookers are Lady Drink Only Hustlers, Coyotes with strict instructions by their real employers NOT to go with a customer and to stay right there in or in front of the bar hustling LDs and nothing else until the minivans arrive at closing time or the end of their shift to whisk them away and to a non Real Sex or even barrier sex with farang safety zone.

BTW, the tip off that you are being dragged in or cajoled into a bar by a Lady Drink Only Hustler Coyote is she is wearing pantyhose. Check for that before you even bother with amusing banter about how hansum you are and how hot she is to be with you tonight. The idea being no part of their skin leading up to their vagina is to make direct contact with the skin of your hand or any other part of your body that might transmit pleasure signals to your brain.

And you can always ask, "Are you a Coyote? Do you go with customers?" before you go inside the bar and waste one baht on them. Generally, they will either be truthful about it and say Yes or they will immediately drop their smiles, their sexy demeanor, your hand and step away from you after being busted on their scam.

One other thing about this expat vs tourist thing. It is definitely not a built-in advantage for me as an expat living here to get Real Sex / BBFSCIP with newer girls vs your typical tourist newbie. In fact, it might as likely be a disadvantage.

1. If you exhibit any game and ability to easily bed down many women even for free and that many of them would be inclined to fuck you bareback, each new girl you meet will not only imagine you must be riddled with STDs but that they will be the proud exception and, besides, you can get so many ladies and all of them fucking you bareback, what is one crappy session that goes sour to you? You'll get another in 10 minutes. LOL.

2. As opposed to the newbie tourist who perhaps appears to be unlikely to have gotten laid in his own country for a year or even in Thailand yet, a full court press on the girl's part to rock your world and provide an initial session better than any other girl would means she will actually have to work for the money each and every time. You are not on a limited schedule. You're not going anywhere else. If she expects make a living off your money she will have to fuck and suck a pole many, many times in the future for it.

3. However, if she sets out to rock the world of a newbie tourist, first of all she will feel confident in doing so because her competition, other girls who she believes have given you Real Sex / BBFSCIP, is very limited. And that means you are "safer" in her mind. But most importantly, all she has to do in many cases is rock that dude's world just a few times before he returns to his sexless home country. Whereupon she has probably learned by now that Mr. Lonelyheart will continue to send her money, good money, for several months after the last time his dick came within a thousand miles of her various orifices. Now that is a much better deal for her.If it's diffcicult for you to get bareback in Bangkok, you should go Pattaya! All girls do BBFS.

[11Bravo]

Siam BTS to MBK is only a football field walk.Understood. But in the heat and humidity, I pick my battles.

Asoke to Soi 23: worth it.
MRT Silom to Patpong 2: worth it.
Thong Lo soi 6 (Sakura) to soi 8 (Foodland) to soi 13 (Ampersand): worth it.
Siam to MBK: meh.


I had this happen to me a bunch as well. It was usually as we were getting dressed or in that post-coital glow. I had assumed it was just filler pillow talk, but maybe it's a way to leave an impression for potential future sales.Bingo.

[Nyezhov]

Understood. But in the heat and humidity, I pick my battles.

Asoke to Soi 23: worth it.
MRT Silom to Patpong 2: worth it.
Thong Lo soi 6 (Sakura) to soi 8 (Foodland) to soi 13 (Ampersand): worth it.
Siam to MBK: meh.

Bingo.Geez, don't strain yourself.

Its not that hot. Now the PM25 on the other hand.

[Tlito]

I agree, as I said, I prefer a live lineup. It's a RARE occurrence that I pick from a photo, BUT sometimes, inquiring minds want to know, and worth the price to me to find out. In fact, Kokoro and Don Quixote are the FIRST experiences with a tablet. And both of those were off my radar until Newton York's excellent set of FR's. But my life is too short to be upset with a shop's policy; their shop, their rules. Obviously works for both of them. Like you, if I didn't care to take the gamble, I'd walk. And the main reason I posted my FR about Kokoro, that at least one girl's photo reasonably matched the girl (in person, actual face and body, she was better live). How the others match, have no idea, but wouldn't hesitate to try again.

But thanks for the Pretty and Premier 101 recommendations. Will keep them I mind. (Trink fan?)Cheers thanks again.

I have never heard the expression Trink before.

Do you mind explaining it to me. Not having a shot at all. Just never heard it.

Thanks and good punting always.

[Supmam]

Have been watching a lot of thai porn. Esp tuktukpatrol. I'm curious if anyone has hooked up with manee (bitchy808 on OF). Her OF looks tempting as she offers dm for other requests but at 50 per month not realistic. The other one is ployly on OF but she's in pattaya. Another one is partythai who is fairly wild too.

Any intel appreciated.

[ElMexicant]

Been here 24 hours. Last night did rounds at Thermae and Soi Cowboy. Thermae saw only 3 that I would bang, but none I would pay the asking price of 2500 plus room, out of the couple of hundred or so in the bar. So many of the girls were staring, smiling, and grabbing me was I walked by. Guess they were new or haven't seen me awhile. Sorry, I am much pickier now. If you were there, you know which guy was me. Saw a bunch of dudes looking too. Not sure why. Onwards to Soi Cowboy. Man from Iran bars still scamming again. Baccara was dead awful, bottom floor being worse. 190 baht for a Coke, really? The girls PRE-COVID were way much better looking and thinner. Few from that group were even there, and the ones that were, gained weight. Waitresses joke with me about the girls and they know I am not a tourist anymore. "You same Thai," they said. "You know everything!" They asked about Pattaya. I said, Walking Street is 500% better. Tonight let's see what BS lies in Nana. Instead of staying near Nana or Asoke, this time I booked a much nicer room than where I stayed before, for a third of the price, but somewhere away from the tourists traps. The place I am at is still bustling and less than 50 baht round trip to Terminal 21. Night market is great and lots of pretty girls. Food is cheaper and plenty of stalls. No way am I dropping 2500-3500 for that weak talent level at Thermae. And definitely not 5000 or more for that crap at Soi Cowboy. Sorry if I offend anybody who has first time to Thailand eyes. Last night, banged a slim light skinned, perky titty girl in this area for only 1100 for ST, that looked better than 99.5% of Thermae chicks I saw and for sure 100% of Baccara girls. Either my eyes are changing or I am getting real good at mongering in Thailand. Don't know what I am doing or talking about. Or just fucking lucky. 1100 LOL.

[AlwaysHorny 2]

I'm in Rawai now. I will post a report in the Phuket thread at some point. Definitely more options here and there seems to be 100's (exaggeration) of massage parlors. Had a fun time last night in Bank Bar and then on go Zhu with two attractive ladies, but no boom boom. I think I'm about to go get a massage and let this one mid 30's ladies take away the pain.

If Thai good times is reading this, what is the deal with bar staff? Are they available. I got zero pressure for lady drinks and there were a couple that I would do. I played pool with what I assume is a FL. The flaky one at the end of the night.

I would like to buy you a beer if you are in the area.

[Detwing1]

Someone please explain to me why they love Bangkok?

Are you an older gentleman and massages / escorts are your thing?

Are you a straight monger that can't get sex on a normal basis from at least decent looking women back home?

Or, do you live here permanently and have the time to uncover and polish the gems?

Staying anything less than a few months here, and it is a sh*t show IHMO.

So many games, straight up con people, and fake smiles. Not to include what I feel is outright prejudices towards Blacks regardless how you present yourself. I'll be in Thailand for at least another 3 weeks and I can't wait to leave Bangkok this morning. I couldn't even sleep well during the night I was soo pissed that I allowed myself to be jerked around on Soi Cowboy last night. I should have known better. Don't remember the bar, but it is either next to or two doors down from Suzy Wongs. I only got sucked in because NOTHING was looking alluring enough to pay stupid prices and a real cutie SEEMED interested enough that just maybe she'll barfine. If not, no biggie. I'll have a couple drinks with her and bounce. I didn't care to spend a little change for small time chatting and BS'and with a hot young thang.

Each time it was "2" drinks for her. Long story short, I burned $100 in record time. That shock came when I felt barfining here was not an option and asked for the bill. Prices were insane and she said something to the effect that she does not do that. I would have been ok spending half of that, but the quick work to drive the bar tab up left a very bad taste in my mouth. Soi Cowboy will NEVER get one dime from me. It's my first time during this week that I asked about the barfine and then get rejected in a sense.

I did pick up a FL on Suh Thursday night that was good enough for a ST play. Nothing to write home about. The funny thing is she kept saying. You handsome on the ride down the elevator to let her out. If I was soo handsome, why the f*ck didn't you act like it in the session? The service was meh.

I did get an amazing massage at the Health Land in Ekkamai. I got the 90 minute aromatherapy oil massage. I asked for hard pressure and man those little elbows went to work. I felt like a noodle when she finished. It did surprise me when she basically scooted down the underwear they provided. There's no way in hell a man can massage me like that. At one point I tensed as it seemed like she was about to plucker my backside at one point.

So many details, so little desire to type all this stuff out. I appreciate you guys that take the time to list all this stuff. I'll probably post just interesting tidbits going forward. I'm going to try to relax in Rawai / Patong Beach. I need to wash the Bangkok filth away and reset. This has had to be my worst mongering experience ever and I've been at this at least 15 years and 5 continents. However, I do think I would be ok if I lived in Bangkok. I wouldn't ever go in the tourist zones. Lots of women demanding regular relationships online.Not sure why you're surprised.

Every foreigner is a "hansum man" and a target in BKK.

The sooner you accept that and learn to see and avoid the scams, the better off you'll be.

If you look and act like a tourist, its no different than wearing a bright neon sign that says " SCAM ME, I'm a noobie". Its like a shark being attracted to blood.

Don't get me wrong, I've been scammed when I was a noobie in China, but took it as a lesson learned and didn't make the same mistake again.

As far as your race is concerned, don't even go there. I have some black friends there that get more ass that me (I'm white).

[Cha Chumplin]

Not sure why you're surprised.

Every foreigner is a "hansum man" and a target in BKK.

The sooner you accept that and learn to see and avoid the scams, the better off you'll be.

If you look and act like a tourist, its no different than wearing a bright neon sign that says " SCAM ME, I'm a noobie". Its like a shark being attracted to blood.

Don't get me wrong, I've been scammed when I was a noobie in China, but took it as a lesson learned and didn't make the same mistake again.

As far as your race is concerned, don't even go there. I have some black friends there that get more ass that me (I'm white).One a general level Race is a factor. Not to be blown off.

Certain races will have a harder time interacting with people who are highly the are word.

Remember in the best of times we are beneath them. So act accordingly. We are ugly smelly fat. Only saving Grace is we HAB money. Hahaha.

[Cha Chumplin]

There's no nudity on the main floor at Baccara. You need to go upstairs for full nudity. If you look up through the glass floors from the main floor you can see the dancer's pussies who are nude upstairs.They are pantyless but from down below you really can't see anything. They aren't squatting or anything like that. Hahaha.

[Cha Chumplin]

If all you wanted was a BJ just go to a BJ bar. Less than half of what you paid and always reliable and convenient.Never seen an African in a BJ bar.

[Cha Chumplin]

I thought it was a crime to throw money on the ground because of the risk of stepping on the king's face?As long as you pick it up off the ground it's perfectly fine. LOL. Hahaha.

[CaliGuy33]

Been here 24 hours. Last night did rounds at Thermae and Soi Cowboy. Thermae saw only 3 that I would bang, but none I would pay the asking price of 2500 plus room, out of the couple of hundred or so in the bar. So many of the girls were staring, smiling, and grabbing me was I walked by. Guess they were new or haven't seen me awhile. Sorry, I am much pickier now. If you were there, you know which guy was me. Saw a bunch of dudes looking too. Not sure why. Onwards to Soi Cowboy. Man from Iran bars still scamming again. Baccara was dead awful, bottom floor being worse. 190 baht for a Coke, really? The girls PRE-COVID were way much better looking and thinner. Few from that group were even there, and the ones that were, gained weight. Waitresses joke with me about the girls and they know I am not a tourist anymore. "You same Thai," they said. "You know everything!" They asked about Pattaya. I said, Walking Street is 500% better. Tonight let's see what BS lies in Nana. Instead of staying near Nana or Asoke, this time I booked a much nicer room than where I stayed before, for a third of the price, but somewhere away from the tourists traps. The place I am at is still bustling and less than 50 baht round trip to Terminal 21. Night market is great and lots of pretty girls. Food is cheaper and plenty of stalls. No way am I dropping 2500-3500 for that weak talent level at Thermae. And definitely not 5000 or more for that crap at Soi Cowboy. Sorry if I offend anybody who has first time to Thailand eyes. Last night, banged a slim light skinned, perky titty girl in this area for only 1100 for ST, that looked better than 99.5% of Thermae chicks I saw and for sure 100% of Baccara girls. Either my eyes are changing or I am getting real good at mongering in Thailand. Don't know what I am doing or talking about. Or just fucking lucky. 1100 LOL.How are you liking BKK compared to Pattaya?

Once you've left the hotel you're staying at, would love to know which one. I usually stay in the On Nut area but I'the like to stay in a different area of BKK just to change it up.

[11Bravo]

Cheers thanks again.
I have never heard the expression Trink before.
Do you mind explaining it to me. Not having a shot at all. Just never heard it.
Thanks and good punting always.Bernard Trink, the Nite Owl.

Back in the dark ages, before the MRT, before the BTS, before smart phones, before mobile phones (the horror, the horror), when webpages were in their infancy, we got our news from hardcopy newspapers, in this case, the Bangkok Post. Trink wrote a weekly column, the Nite Owl, (Friday or Saturday, been 20 years so have forgotten which) that was MANDATORY reading. Detailed what was going on in the adult entertainment industry: bar news, openings, closings, special events, who had attractive girls, massage parlors, etc., in Nana, Patpong, Cowboy, Pattaya, Phuket, along with some humorous (IMHO) musings on Thailand. He'd lived in BKK since the 60's. Back in 2003, the Post decided the Nite Owl column was not fit for a family newspaper. Shame. Anyway, there were many Trinkisms, one of which was "'Nuff said". (The other column I miss is "The Sloane Ranger", weekly column, Wednesday? on tech, hardware and software).

Think Stickman before the internet. If you don't know Stick, google "Stickman Bangkok". Weekly column every Sunday.

Came across this amusing article the other day, what a typical Nite Owl column would look like if he were still alive and wrote one today. Fun read and brought back a lot of memories, along with more Trinkisms.

https://www.pattayamail.com/alltime/bernard-trinks-nite-owl-recalled-411760

[EihTooms]

If it's diffcicult for you to get bareback in Bangkok, you should go Pattaya! All girls do BBFS.I wouldn't say it is difficult for me or anyone to get bareback anywhere in the world. It just depends on who you're asking for it or forging ahead to get it without asking.

Also, my preference and style is to get an agreement for it up front, well before I have paid a barfine or taken a girl. Rarely do I leave it unaddressed and "go with the flow and see what happens in the room", because I absolutely abhor the Safety First 20 Minute Lecture And Discussion and History Lessons of Condom Use or an all new negotiation over price while I am poised at the point of penetration with an increasingly disinterested erection.

Therefore, my record of results is not going to be the same as that of the "go with the flow" in-bed lecture students and happy re-negotiators' experience and results except by coincidence.

My results in getting an up front agreement for BBFSCIP with girls I deem more than acceptable in terms of looks and demeanor in Bangkok go-go bars and in-person Freelancers still runs at about 60-65%.

I am fine with that.

However, the number and percentage of girls I have deemed more than acceptable in terms of looks and demeanor in Pattaya, anywhere in Pattaya, has historically been far, far fewer than I see and meet in Bangkok. At least up until the Covid closures. I have not gone to Pattaya since the reopenings.

And the number of times a Pattaya girl that I have been interested in fucking enough to approach, chat, charm, share laughs, drinks, wonderful chemistry etc leading to a negotiation and offer for it in a club, a beer bar, on Soi 6, in gogo bars on Walking Street, on Beach Road and the LK Metro area has agreed up front to it logs in at exactly 1 out of approximately 60+ attempts over several trips there in the past 10 years.

I met that one agreeable Pattaya girl in a Walking Street gogo bar. I would rate her about a "Bangkok 6" in terms of looks but was a "Pattaya 7. 5" in my eyes.

Her service was meh. I had no interest in repeating with her even though she pestered me for days on Line to meet her again.

So what can I say about Pattaya? Obviously, the few girls I have bothered to approach there did not get your memo about all Pattaya girls doing BBFS. Not with me, that is. Far from it. My record of success in getting an upfront agreement for BBFSCIP in Pattaya with the very few girls there I would want to fuck even for free is abysmal, worse than any other P4 P destination I have ever been.

And, of course as always, YMMV.

[L00PY]

I thought it was a crime to throw money on the ground because of the risk of stepping on the king's face?While it's a crime to disrespect the monarchy, I guarantee no one a bar is going to complain or report anything. On second thought, if someone did something horrendous, I could see maybe the charge being tacked on.

Oh, I forgot to mention I passed by L's and Kasalong. The former had a scary looking lineup. The later seemed closed.

I'm in Pattaya now and definitely feels like there are more working women here.

[Banana Boi]

They are pantyless but from down below you really can't see anything. They aren't squatting or anything like that. Hahaha.I guess I have better vision than you.

[Dg8787]

They are pantyless but from down below you really can't see anything. They aren't squatting or anything like that. Hahaha.I thought they were all winking at me.

[Projektzer]

Where did you get her? I'm so disappointed in bkk. Struggling after three rip offs.


Been here 24 hours. Last night did rounds at Thermae and Soi Cowboy. Thermae saw only 3 that I would bang, but none I would pay the asking price of 2500 plus room, out of the couple of hundred or so in the bar. So many of the girls were staring, smiling, and grabbing me was I walked by. Guess they were new or haven't seen me awhile. Sorry, I am much pickier now. If you were there, you know which guy was me. Saw a bunch of dudes looking too. Not sure why. Onwards to Soi Cowboy. Man from Iran bars still scamming again. Baccara was dead awful, bottom floor being worse. 190 baht for a Coke, really? The girls PRE-COVID were way much better looking and thinner. Few from that group were even there, and the ones that were, gained weight. Waitresses joke with me about the girls and they know I am not a tourist anymore. "You same Thai," they said. "You know everything!" They asked about Pattaya. I said, Walking Street is 500% better. Tonight let's see what BS lies in Nana. Instead of staying near Nana or Asoke, this time I booked a much nicer room than where I stayed before, for a third of the price, but somewhere away from the tourists traps. The place I am at is still bustling and less than 50 baht round trip to Terminal 21. Night market is great and lots of pretty girls. Food is cheaper and plenty of stalls. No way am I dropping 2500-3500 for that weak talent level at Thermae. And definitely not 5000 or more for that crap at Soi Cowboy. Sorry if I offend anybody who has first time to Thailand eyes. Last night, banged a slim light skinned, perky titty girl in this area for only 1100 for ST, that looked better than 99.5% of Thermae chicks I saw and for sure 100% of Baccara girls. Either my eyes are changing or I am getting real good at mongering in Thailand. Don't know what I am doing or talking about. Or just fucking lucky. 1100 LOL.

[Uncle Volodya]

Night market is great and lots of pretty girls. Food is cheaper and plenty of stalls. No way am I dropping 2500-3500 for that weak talent level at Thermae. And definitely not 5000 or more for that crap at Soi Cowboy. Sorry if I offend anybody who has first time to Thailand eyes. Last night, banged a slim light skinned, perky titty girl in this area for only 1100 for ST, that looked better than 99.5% of Thermae chicks I saw and for sure 100% of Baccara girls. Either my eyes are changing or I am getting real good at mongering in Thailand. Don't know what I am doing or talking about. Or just fucking lucky. 1100 LOL.Interesting report. Which Night Market are you referring to? I didn't know there are WG hanging out there. Are they street walkers Like you'd find around Sukhumvit? Or are you picking up more regular girl types?

[ElMexicant]

So here's what I think of Nana. Total basura. 9 pm at Billboard, only 12 girls on carousel. 2 in the tub. Talent level is meh. A couple of older ones had decent bodies but their faces are old. They did redo the interior. New seats and lighting. 140 for weak drink. Couldn't even taste the gin, just tonic. Saw the really old guy with long hair in those hipster jeans. If you go to GoGo bars a lot, you know who I talking about. We chatted at Pin Up before and he's been doing GoGo bars for 20 plus years. After my drink, bounced around. Apparently Rainbow group has pretty much taken over the real estate in Nana. Rainbows 1-5, and Rainbow69. Peeked in all of them. Weak. Rainbow 4 had 7 girls on stage and Rainbow 5 had like 6. This was at 9:35! What the fuck was going on? Finally settled on Twister bottom floor. Maybe 25 girls total? Drink 155 and weak too. Nana is getting cheap on the pours. When I went to the bathroom saw some girl rush in while I was washing my hands. She was gagging a spit what look like a load of cum out of her out her mouth and rinsing. The fuck? This was interesting. So I took a chance and called down some taller slim girl with a gun tattoo on her upper hip. Asked about extras. Paid her a nice tip and let's just say I am glad I brought my wet wipes. Those seats at Twister make good for hanky panky. It's a big ass empty club. Left Nana satisfied but disappointed at the same time. Nana and Cowboy have NOTHING on Walking Street GoGo bars in terms of customers, number of girls, or quality. At 8 pm in Walking Street Baccara, Fahrenheit, Pin Up, XS, Palace already have close to 100 girls each club. I should of figure something was up when I saw former Rainbow 2 girls at Baccara WS awhile back. Anyways onto Thermae on a weekday. No bueno. Bangkok is far from what I remembered when the streets of Sukhumvit had those street bars and seats extending onto Sukhumvit itself all thee way until T21. It's just sad now. Really sad. I am crying as I type this. Am I going to the wrong bars? Thought Billboard and Rainbow 5 were supposed to be the best. But from what I saw they both rank below Bliss or Living Dolls in Pattaya. Those aren't even in the top 12 on Walking Street.

[ElMexicant]

Where did you get her? I'm so disappointed in bkk. Struggling after three rip offs.How did you get ripped off 3 times?

Another note on Nana. If you are a Gogo pro, you already know what to expect before even stepping inside by looking at the PR girls or what's standing outside the bar. Blondie bar isn't fooling anyone with those giant Grey Goose bottles. I guess it's supposed to cater to VIP clientele. But the few chubby girls are like "take a look inside free. " Tonight j will do so more walking in, taking quick peeks, and walking out of bars, I guess. Where did I get her? All I can say if you go to the tourist traps, you will pay tourist trap prices. There is a method to all this madness. If you have no issues banging civilian girls before mongering, then trust me 1000-1500 is enough to bang alot of girls in a certain area of town.

[Nyezhov]

While it's a crime to disrespect the monarchy, I guarantee no one a bar is going to complain or report anything. On second thought, if someone did something horrendous, I could see maybe the charge being tacked on.

.Try it and see. Report back (or not).

[Nyezhov]

I left The Big Mango just before the border closed and spent many months in Siem Reap. Once the lockdowns hit, Siem turned in to a ghost town.

Businesses closed, locals left. It got so unbusy that they repaved the town. But I still got laid whenever I wanted.

I've been shopping around to get stuff I need now that I am back here in Smog City. Retail here, especially high end retail, apparently took a beating during the pandemic. MBK, Chatuchak, Siam, Central World, EmQ are far emptier in terms of vendors and product. Tourist numbers are of course way down.

Same same the sex industry. Even before the Wuflu hit some places like Patpong werent worth visiting at all, now its worse than that. Folks bitched about Cowboy, same same now, only less crowded. Oh horrors, the Beergarden is full of hags, really? Like its any different now? Bottom feeder paradise (but a few decent items on the food menu). Speculate all you want as to the reason, but FEWER customers mean FEWER product. When the numbers of buyers increase, so will the shelves get restocked.

I live here, PT. There are reasons to live here other than easily available hot young pussy and either the pussy is the bonus or all the other things to do are, who knows. I get laid whenever I want. My taste might not be yours, yours is not mine. However, I daresay that if you know what you are doing, you will get laid too with the girls of your dreams.

If you think that Bangkok is some dreamland of hordes of squealing babes shooting ping pong balls out their bungholes and ripping your clothes off while offering 3 holes for 500 baht, you best lay off the Thai porn. Some folks like Pattaya, I can't comment since I haven't been there in 10 years?, it was a sewer then and not worth a return.

Give it time kiddies, the girls will return.

Consider: On Sunday night I was in Khao San road looking for some glass. There were all sorts of chickies giving me the eyeball. Got a few Lines and then I went to Thermae to pay my respect to the Boss, who I guess has been under the weather, but was supposed to be there according to the Staff. If you are a Thermaeter, you know the guy I mean. So after paying my respects, I took a walkaround and there were at least 15 girls I would have done, all of whom would have done me I'm sure. But since I wasnt in the mood, I just had a few sodas, watched some football and watched the antics. One particularly hot one was grabbing the Westerners, they would talk and that's it. I asked one dude who talked to her what she wanted he said 3 K. Huh. I can only assume that folks were walking away for 500 B, which is $15. To each his own. I took her Line for later. Then an Asian dude grabbed her.

Its all there for you. If you are a 3 week tourist concentrate on Nana, Thermae, the little bars near Beergarden, or the massages and soapies that cater to the Japanese / Korean crowd. Don't waste your time in Cowboy, Patpong or the Beergarden. BJ bars are hit and miss as to looks, but you are paying for a mouth. Go to Pattaya if you want to wallow "like in the old days". Fiwfans is good in the Suk area. If you are on your game, roll down to Khao San or hit Chatuchak or the tourist night markets.

Thats my 2 satangs for now.

[ElMexicant]

On my way to Cowboy and this was how busy the crossing was at this intersection. Who remembers how really packed this used to be? There wasn't even any traffic jam on Sukhumvit like the old days. Does anybody remember all those street bars along Sukhumvit? One after the other. Even the bars next to Cowboy are gone, filled with cannabis stalls. The food carts are gone too on the Asoke side. Few remain on the Soi 23 side. Inside Cowboy was a bit busier at 10 pm than 8:30, but a fraction of before COVID. I talked to a girl at Cowboy Agogo. Told me that most of the girls have found other ways of making money in the online scene. And they are choosing the easier route. So yes, COVID forced some to learn about doing things differently. And they won't be coming back. Thermae was trash on a Tuesday night as well. Not even ONE girl I would take out for 2500-3000.95% only wanted ST upstairs. I remember back when you can come with friends and take a whole group of them to go LT and party at Route 66 or Scratch Dog or Insanity. Now most are leaving around 11 to catch the MRT back home. If you are smart, that's when you can stalk them and get them cheap if you stay in their area of town. They be adding 500 baht taxi both ways to their Thermae price but paying 43 baht for MRT. Loca chicas. Trust me when I say this. If they took 1500 baht during COVID, they will take 1500 now. I was here. I know which ones. LOL.

[TwilightZoner]

Making plans to return to Bangkok!! Will be there sometime in September. I know it's the low season and also rainy season but to wait til December? Uhm, Nah. Hope the flooding is not as bad this year!! Basically returning to complete what I scheduled to do on my last trip.

[Cha Chumplin]

It's highly possible Nana is just to expensive. Add it all up you looking at $130 for short time.

Does it matter. To me it does.

Even Tesla is lowering prices.

[Ucgdx]

I'm returning to Bangkok this month and bringing some friends with me, at least one of which has never been there. So I put together this list for him. Any comments or suggestions?

Soapies

Large hotel-like buildings serving food and drinks, with a selection of ladies at different prices according to the tags they wear. No pressure to choose. Prices about 3-7 k. Body-to-body massage, followed by CFS.

● Poseidon (Sutthisan), uses a fish bowl (ISG (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2780105&highlight=poseidon#post2780105)).

● La Belle (Phetchaburi), the best chicken wings I've ever had, worldwide.

Oilies / Tourist Massage Parlors

Prices about 3-4 k.

● Tulip (Thong Lor), older women for backdoor action.

● Picasso (Asok) (web (https://picassobkk.com/)).

● Doki Doki (Asok), with nuru gel.

● Sukhumvit 24 Alley (Phrom Phong).

Kapoos

Small massage parlors away from tourist areas, more amateur girls, possibly younger, variable level of services. Prices about 2 k. No one speaks English.

● Honey Lemon (Sathorn) (web (https://tracks.pr09.com/honeylemon)) (ISG (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=2769039&highlight=honey+lemon#post2769039)).

● 1 Society (Phrom Phong) (ISG (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=2528377&highlight=kapoo#post2528377)).

● X-Ray (Thong Lor).

Local Escorts

Generally incall, prices about 1-2 k. Most pictures are photoshopped.

● Sideline (web (https://www.sidelinethailand.com/)).

● Fiwfans (web (https://fiwfans.com/)).

● ThaiFriendly, a mix of working girls and civilians.

● Tinder.

Gogo Bars

Lady drinks can be 300, barfines about 1000. Girls usually ask for 3 k for ST (Short Time, 1 hour).

● Soi Cowboy (Asok).

● Nana Plaza (Nana).

Thermae

It's in a class of its own. Basically a pickup bar where all the girls are freelancers. Price is usually 3 k for ST, at your hotel room. Girls here prefer Asian guys. Located between Asok and Nana.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=thermae+cafe+Bangkok

Civilian Pickups

● RCA Alley nightclubs.

● Chatuchak weekend market / Chatuchak Park.

● Night markets.

BJ Bars

Only semi-private, usually older women.

[ElMexicant]

On my way to Cowboy and this was how busy the crossing was at this intersection. Who remembers how really packed this used to be? There wasn't even any traffic jam on Sukhumvit like the old days. Does anybody remember all those street bars along Sukhumvit? One after the other. Even the bars next to Cowboy are gone, filled with cannabis stalls. The food carts are gone too on the Asoke side. Few remain on the Soi 23 side. Inside Cowboy was a bit busier at 10 pm than 8:30, but a fraction of before COVID. I talked to a girl at Cowboy Agogo. Told me that most of the girls have found other ways of making money in the online scene. And they are choosing the easier route. So yes, COVID forced some to learn about doing things differently. And they won't be coming back. Thermae was trash on a Tuesday night as well. Not even ONE girl I would take out for 2500-3000.95% only wanted ST upstairs. I remember back when you can come with friends and take a whole group of them to go LT and party at Route 66 or Scratch Dog or Insanity. Now most are leaving around 11 to catch the MRT back home. If you are smart, that's when you can stalk them and get them cheap if you stay in their area of town. They be adding 500 baht taxi both ways to their Thermae price but paying 43 baht for MRT. Loca chicas. Trust me when I say this. If they took 1500 baht during COVID, they will take 1500 now. I was here. I know which ones. LOL.Forgot to add. Looks like Rainbow group is opening a bar in Soi Cowboy as well as the other ones in Nana.

[Banana Boi]

I'm returning to Bangkok this month and bringing some friends with me, at least one of which has never been there. So I put together this list for him. Any comments or suggestions?.I think you should read HT's excellent summary posted yesterday.

www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2184-General-Reports&p=2785294&viewfull=1#post2785294

Went through your list quickly but don't think I saw the Pimp, Thaniya road, Patpong, and Khaosan Road for drunk civilians.

[UphillJimmy]

November Bangkok / Pattaya.

A delayed report from a newbie.

Posting in the Bangkok thread as that is where most of the action occurred.

I RTFF so thank you to those who post reports, they were informative and sometimes entertaining and.

Gave me a good idea on what to expect.

This turned into a bit of an ramble, so apologies, was going to edit, then could not be bothered, excuse any typo's / grammar, hopefully it is helpful for other newbies. T.

My first time in Thailand as well as experiencing new things, so mixed it up with some tourist stuff.

Day 1.

Arrived late afternoon, and was quickly through immigration / customs. Based on earlier posts re exchanging money, headed to the basement and got a decent rate for some baht. I had booked to stay in the asoke area, so took the train in, fairly simple, but worked up a little sweat lugging bag, got myself a metro card.

After checking in and refreshing, it was early evening, so I head out for my first foray, I want to try a nuru and kokoro seems to come up a bit so that is my first stop, I head off following google maps and it directs me up soi cowboy, I was looking down when I turned the corner did realize where I was, until the calls started coming in, I had a bit of a gander, but was on a mission, so continue on to kokoro.

Arrived and knocked, buzzed in, quiet no one else there, opt for the 90 min nuru, line-up offered but only 3 girls available, chose Mona as the stand out for my taste.

Given a water and wipe while waiting for her to collect her things, offered bathroom on the way up.

Room is nice enough with the split wet and dry area, Mona helps me out of my clothes then removes hers and sets up the stool and shower and proceeds to wash and rub herself all over me. Chemistry is a bit lacking and she seems a little disinterested / mechanical, a few tugs on the little fella and rubbing her arm back and forth over the anus? Hot and cold BJ, BJ skills left a lot to be desired.

I have to say the seat is quite uncomfortable, trying to get the right perch to relax is difficult.

Onto part 2, down goes the airbed, lying facedown and on with the gel, and the body slides begin, and the cat bath, and the little fake moaning, which I thought might bother me, but actually didn't.

No rimming, she licked my ass but not the crack.

This was a pretty nice feeling except for her fake tits which looked great but were hard as rocks (although admittedly they gave a decent deep tissue massage, it's not what I was there for).

Flipped and more sliding, rubbing and a bit of a handy, then quick, on with the condom and riding me until completion, which was not long given it had been a couple of weeks.

Unfortunately kissing was almost non-existent, tiny pecks.

Bit of a cleanup, then put the air mattress away and into the shower to rinse off the gel, I dry off and get on the bed, estimating I have about 20-30 minutes left, she takes her time, putting thing away, showering, drying, running down the clock in hindsight.

Anyway by the time she is done, she says there is only 5-10 minutes left and so offers a half hearted massage and then we are done, get dressed and then out door, no punters in the waiting area, though as I try to leave out the main entrance, I almost collide with a young guy and an old guy bringing in clean laundry, huge piles so they must go through a lot.

All in all I was OK with the experience, headed back to the hotel to crash.

Would I repeat: No.

Cost: 3900 BHT.

Day 2. Work and tourist stuff, food tour in the evening, arrived back later, knackered, had a drink at the bar, decided I was too tired to head out so went to bed.

Day 3.

Decided to give a nuru another go, but try a new place, so off to Doki Doki mid afternoon, I had contacted them on line earlier to get the lineup and chose Sora, who appeared to be new and looked the best to me.

I walked from my Hotel and it was only 15-20 minutes at a casual pace, I noticed another guy on the way checking his phone and taking the same turns as me, he was in deep undercover mode, cap pulled down, big sunglasses and a mask, thought he might be heading to the same place but he turned off early.

I arrived on time for the appointment, confirmed my appointment and paid and took a seat, was provided a bottle of water.

Shortly after undercover man arrived, overheard him asking to see girls, only offered lineup on tablet. He must have found something he liked as he sat down, but kept his concealing apparel on.

Sora arrived and she was better than expected, considering they hide the face in the photo's perhaps not as busty, but a pretty face and great body.

Up to the room and a similar process as kokoro, except no seat, but a pre-shower with fondling and some light french kissing.

Down goes the air mattress and the nuru begins, while this felt nicer with her natural tits, I don't think she used enough gel so there was a little dry rubbing.

Flipped and same on the front with more attention where its needed, started a nice BBBJ and the skill was there, no deepthroat, but consistent quality and gentle to a nice CIM. She stopped a couple times to check all was OK and she was not being to rough.

Cleaned up and another shower then dried off and onto the bed, a light massage then a further bit of BBBJ to get me hard again, on with the condom and a bit of cow girl, unfortunately the condom was a bit tight cut the circulation so I went soft again, told her not to worry and she did a little more BBBJ, she was keen to try and get the 2nd pop, but I could tell it would take longer than we had left to happen, my refractory period has been increasing as I get older, though I can usually manage 2 shots in 90 if the first is early enough.

So we finished off with a light massage and a chat, Sora's english was quite good, she conformed he had been working at doki doki for less than 2 weeks, having been in Cambodia maybe, but had come home to look after mum. She asked about other nuru places and I mentioned kokoro, and she asked about the venue and pricing, seemed quite interested.

Anyway, time was up and we finished up and got dressed, I noticed a bright red mark on her leg, and pointed it out, she said it was a friction burn from the mattress, which confirmed my suspicion about not enough gel.

I think I really should have asked for her line, as a week later when I looked up doki doki she was gone.

Would I repeat: Yes.

Much happier with this session, cost: 3500 BHT.

Day 4. I had another food tour planned for the evening / night, so went out for some daytime action. I had read about the BJ bars and was intrigued, but I needed to top up my cash and also felt like I also needed a boost to my perceived softness, so I headed out to Vasu exchange and also looking to go to the pharmacy in foodland on soi 5 (I think that's the right one), to pick up some sidegra.

Anyway exchange rate at vasu was good as reported, efficient operation, highly recommended, I visited again later in my trip to top up again, went to find the pharmacy I had read about and it was closed? So took other advice and went into a small local pharmacy on the way back to my hotel, it was 400 for a box of 4 x 100 MG.

Given I was unsure how I would react to a the pill, I cut about a 1/4 off back at the hotel then gave myself an hour, felt ok, maybe mildly flushed, so off to wood bar to check it out, it was late afternoon at this point.

Walking up I there were a half dozen ladies outside, though nothing jumped out at me, I thought there might be more inside, so walking in, getting a few smiles and greetings, unfortunately no other ladies inside, but an older mama, and younger mama / manager.

The older Mama sat me down on one side and then went and called in the ladies, from outside, they sat on the opposite side, quite confronting as about 10-12 ladies came in, unfortunately most were older or not appealing, The mama was pushing one or another of the ladies, but I held firm. I had decided I was going to make it happen, and given I had another appointment in the evening across town, my time was limited, Then I spotted a slightly plump 30 ish looking lady who was smiling widely, so I gambled and chose her, paid the mama, but did not quite catch the name of the lady.

She led me up stairs, collecting her things on the way and we entered a "room" which in reality is a booth, with a door, and was actually much more than I expected, looked like a comfy arm chair and a sink in the corner to wash up.

She had me remove my cloths and hang them up, then guided me to the sink and gave the little fella a thorough wash, it was now I noticed the effect of the 1/4 pill as normally I'd get a semi from a little handling, but now I was at full salute, the lady made admiring sounds which I am sure she has practiced and guided me to the seat, placed a towel down and I sat.

Shen then dropped her top to her bra and proceed with a BBBJ, technique was fairly good but not quite as good as Sora from the day before, a decent amount of ball licking and shaft work, but I think she was hoping for a 5 min finish, as she seemed to get tired, used her hand a bit, but then got a 2nd wind and went to work with her mouth again and included some ball play. After about 15 min we had a CIM, which she delicately spat out, then cleaned me up. I was dressed and on my way, within 30 minutes of walking in.

Again I was satisfied with the session, it was pretty much what I expected from what I had read.

Would I repeat: Maybe.

Cost:800 BHT.

Day 5. A write off, because I met some people on the food tour the previous night and we went out drinking, did not get back until after 3 am, major hangover. Fancy dinner booking in the evening, just about got myself straight for that.

Day 6. Moving Day, Booked Nams lady taxi the day before, for a early afternoon transfer (again read about on here).

Pattaya here I come, but before I leave I have a couple hours to kill, so thought I would give Kokoro another go. Contact them on line to find out who is working, and then decide just to walk on over as its not too far.

Walk past the massage places on Soi 23, lots of calls and a few hands reaching out, one kind of nice looking lady, but a bit older, give her a smile and keep walking as I am on a mission.

Arrive at Kokoro and get buzzed in, I am the only customer, about 6 girls, mama calls the line up, Nene catches my eye, pay for nuru, get my water, so off to the room and the same procedure, undress, stool out water running and get soaped up, nene has small naturals, and a tight body which feels great rubbing up and down me and I'm rubbing up and down her, she massages me all over with her breasts, cleans my ass and then slides under the stool for some rimming, now this is the first time I'm receiving rimming and I'm undecided, but its done before and can form an opinion. Then I get the hot and cold BBBJ, she does a pretty good job, but again not as good as Sora or the girl at wood bar, so I don't cum.

Now its time for the mat and gel, nice bode slides, she feels soft but firm, little fake moans, and a cat bath getting her tongue into my neck which I love, then she goes for riming round 2, sliding up to my ass and getting her tongue in there for a swirl, I'm getting used to it and deciding it might not be to bad.

Then the flip, some more sliding and a light BJ then on with the condom and she rides me for a bit, then missionary, then doggy where I finally cum.

Cleanup and shower, put the mat away and seems we don't have much time left, but I get a little massage and a bit of chit chat, she has a bit of english, and I have no Thai but a handful of words mostly relating to food.

Then its out the door, thank you.

A much better session with the full experience except the kissing, which so far all ladies have pulled back on? I am fairly sure my teeth are straight and clean and I use the mouth wash, anyway, not the end of the world for me.

One the way back up soi 23, the lady I smiled at earlier ambushes me, and tries to wrestle me into her shop, another bloke in a suit walking nearby just stares dumfounded as stagger a 1/4 block with this lady hanging on, she eventually give up and gives me a beaming smile, I tell her nice try and go catch my ride to Pattaya.

Day 7. I make a stupid mistake. After checking in to my hotel late afternoon the day before (I had decided on a beach front resort as I like to chill) I just ate and then hit the sack. I decided to relax this morning, take a dip in the ocean and then chill in a cabana and read my book with a bit of resort service, which started out great, except I had not put any sunscreen on, and it was a good book. I have a light olive complexation and can usually handle a little sun without cover, but I stupidly thought I was OK as I was under the umbrella, rookie mistake, 3 hours later I was cooked. While I looked OK, then, I could tell I was going to be a lobster by nightfall, which was true, along with the uncomfortable pain. Decided not to venture out that night.

Day 8. Worked and felt miserable for myself, also went an got a leg massage while picking up some aftersun.

Day 9. Did some tourist stuff as I did not want the visit to be a complete waste, ate dinner at the resort again. But then decided I could not leave Pattaya without at least checking out some form of nightlife.

Decided to try out a gentlemen's club did a quick check then decided on Highrollers, per a few mentions and if I did not like it there were a few more around, would play it a bit by ear. I arrived mid evening and found the place pretty easily, google maps is a wonder.

There were about 12 customers and maybe 16 ladies, a few who looked ok, but nothing extraordinary, waitress asked me where I wanted to sit and I choose one of the couches nr the back, just wanted a bit of space, decided I was not going to booze so ordered a red bull, try give myself a pick me up.

They had 3 girls "dancing" on little stages, rotating after a few songs. A girl came and sat on the couches near me, but she was not my type so I ignored her, Then some movement across the room caught my eye, a girl in a lacy getup with the right body type, I moved my head a bit to try and get a better view and suddenly noticed most of the girls on the other side of the motion to the girl walking and then huddle and point at me, so over she comes, I had a little smile and laugh to myself, these ladies are hawks, they had theirs eyes on me like I am a rabbit, and perhaps tonight I was.

The girls name was Dew I think, said she was 24 I think, apparently on her first contract at highrollers and had worked one other bar, and before that in Isan, or so she says. Initial chat seemed good so I offered her a drink, there was a little bit of leg and cock rubbing and a bit of tit feeling (fake but not too rock hard), but it was all very hesitant and forced, I took it for shyness and my inexperience in a gentlemen's club, and no kissing, this is probably where I should have cut my losses, moved on to someone else or a new venue, but I continued on as the conversation while minimal was OK and I had my arms around a pretty girl watching other pretty girls sway. (hindsight is a wonderful thing, we live and learn).

Server came along and I got another red bull and she got another drink sangsom and coke. (really should have denied the 2nd drink as it had not been that long).

I asked room price, and was told 500, which sounded right (correct me if not), and her price was 2000, that seemed more than I had read before, thinking it was between 1000-1500, I queried her on this and she just stuck to 2000.

Anyway I thought she was cute, had a good body, I was getting tired and decided, if I left I was just heading back to the hotel (it had been a big day), so I told her I would take her up, then off she went to mama, to organize the bar fine and so I could settle my bin. Just over 900 from memory, 2 x lady drink, 2 x redbull, bar fine.

Up to the room, and she turns the lights right down, does not bother me much still enough light to see, she asks if I want to shower, I say yes, so into the shower for me, she undresses then comes and gives me a little scrub, and jerks me off in the shower, trying to get me to cum, I'm unsure if she is trying to finish the session quick, so I get out and dry off and sit on the bed while she showers and dries off.

I have her come stand in front of me so I can test out he breasts, they are pretty good fakes. Anyway onto the bed and and bit of BBBJ, I ask her to lie down and continue BBBJ while I massage her pussy, but no fingering allowed, also no kissing, just tiny hard lipped pecks. She again tries to give me a handy with gusto, but I redirect to putting on a condom.

Onto the main course, cow girl, missionary, but I can tell she wants me to finish quick, and I am getting a bit annoyed, so move her into doggie and finish it up.

Shower, dress and I pay her and head back down stairs as she wanders off to take her kit back. I take my same seat and order a soda water to help rehydrate and chill for a minute and contemplate what mistakes I made.

It was not a terrible session, I got some of what I wanted, but it was short, maybe 30-40 minutes. And I feel like maybe I overpaid, but you can tell me.

Dew came back and sat with me, and the server asked if I wanted to buy her another drink, but I said no, I made my displeasure known by giving her a bit of the cold shoulder, petty maybe but I wanted her to know I was not happy. Finished my drink then bailed, on my way out saw a couple others having a good time, so decided I was probably doing something wrong.

Would I repeat: No.

Cost: 3000 = Drinks 500 THB, Barfine 500 THB, Session 2000.

Back to Bangkok tomorrow.

Day 10. Transfer back to Bangkok (Nams Lady Taxi again) and settle in to a new hotel, in the Asoke area. Head to terminal 21 for some shopping.

Decide to try something different tonight and head to Daisy Dream, its busy tonight and I spot a guy ahead of me who looks like he might be on the same mission again, he is, but he gets lost so I arrive before him, there are couple of south asian guys ahead of me, they are together, but they are taking their time looking over the menu, and the mama is getting frustrated, I immediately spot a girl I like the look of, and give her a smile, and get a nice one in return, the mama seats me and says the other 2 are ahead of me and I need to wait maybe 20 minutes for a room. So OK I'm here.

In the mean time, the guy who got lost, turns up takes a seat and I overhear he has a 40 min wait.

Finally one of the guys settles on what he wants and the mama calls a lineup, so I get to have a look, they can't decide so sit back down and discuss, but I still think the first one I spotted is best though there are a couple other contenders. The first guy dithers a bit, lineup again and he chooses the girl I was thinking about, I was sad, but she looked sadder. She gave me a sad smile as she walks paste and I shrug my shoulders, what can you do, first come first serve.

Then I need to wait for the friend of the first guy, and he is dithering too, back to the menu, will he, won't he, he gets on his phone and sends a message and then his friend comes down again half dressed and they discuss about time etc, so the 1st guy changes his order, I think he extends his session, second guy gets a fresh lineup and chooses his girl, and then its my turn, finally.

While all of that is going on, the mammasan turns away about 10 punters, couple of singles and couple of groups, the wait is now 2 hours? Not sure how it jumped that much but anyway.

During these lineups, I have spotted a girl with a great smile, she is a little older than the others but has presence, so I go why not, choose something different. Now while Daisy Dream does nuru, I opt for the oil massage 90 minutes, as I have done the nuru thing twice.

I forget the lady's name now, (maybe yummy, yumi), should have made notes. Anyway this turned out to be a really nice GFE session.

In the room we shower together, get clean, rinse our mouths and then she asks if I want to cum 2 times, I say if she wants to make me cum twice we'll need to get the first one done early, so onto the the bed with a BBBJ, which was a little toothy, then on with a condom and some good cowgirl where I let myself relax and just finish. Then onto my front for the massage, which she was actually pretty good at, I almost drifted off.

About 30 mis later I initiate a turn over and say lets see about number 2, so she does the BBBJ again, then slips on a new condom and we go cowgirl, missionary, doggy, but now my stamina is waning, bit more cow girl, then she hops off, I can tell I'm still not quite recovered enough for a second pop, but she tries HJ for a bit, but I tell her not to worry and just come lie down for a bit, so up she comes and snuggles up and we just chat and stroke each other. She had pretty decent english so I did not struggle and she tried teaching me a few words in Thai.

All in all a nice session, but also not really what I was after, there was nothing wrong, performance was good, her body was fit, face was average for my taste.

Would I repeat: Maybe.

Cost: 3500 THB.

Day 11. No action, too may tourist things, dinner til late.

Day 12. Busy day, but want some more action tonight, decide to try Addict Massage per reports here and the purple unforms look cute.

I head down that way on the BTS and while I get off at the correct stop and correct side, I manage to turn myself around and walk in the wrong direction for a few minutes, but eventually make it there, with a couple of older gents walking in ahead of me. There are quite a few shops on the little side soi.

I walk in, in the middle of a lineup, couple of Korean gents having a look, but they back out, mama tries to block them leaving in a joking way and they get a bit physical, was a bit weird, the older gents are just having a look, with one explaining to the other the process.

I have spotted a girl I like the look of and call the mama over point to her and and then ask or the menu, opt for a jacuzzi scrub, something different again.

I have forgotten the girls name, so maybe not a great impression.

Upstairs to the room, and she starts filling the tub and disappears, probably gone for 10 minutes, and I start getting a little concerned, but she eventually returns and seems surprised I am still dressed, well she did just wander off without saying anything.

We disrobe and hop in the tub, but while she tries to get the bubbles going, something is wrong and it just fires jets of water everywhere, seems like the tub just won't fill enough to cover the holes, anyway, she works on scrubbing me down and we have a little play in the bath but its a bit awkward, so we move to the bed after rinsing etc.

Bit of an oil rub down, BBBJ and then on with the condom, sex in multiple positions and I finish in doggy, then a bit more of a rub before the session ends.

I felt like complaining re the jacuzzi as I paid for that, but just could not be bothered.

Would I repeat: No, though might pick another girl at addict, but who knows I might pick the same one as I have forgotten her name / face.

Cost: I want to say 3500 THB or maybe 4000 THB.

I guess you could say it was a forgettable session.

Day 13.

More tourist stuff during the day, then felt like a BJ in the evening. I had read about 7-Heavan on the forums and a little google showed I had walked past it on the way to Daisy Dream, so off I went, caught the BTS, then walked a little bit to get there. When I arrived I asked about a lineup, but no, girl on the desk was firm, only tablet.

I had decided on my walk over to try 2 girls, so I asked the girl on the desk which girls worked well together, and she started pointing out pairs, now I realized as she was doing this, that she probably did not know and was randomly selecting, so I just chose 2 who looked kinda nice, so hard to tell from the tablet pics.

Receptionist / mama yells out and then pushes me through the curtain a few seconds later, and the 2 ladies are waiting for me. Fah and Jan from memory (I could be wrong though, I really should take notes earlier), as I suspected not quite like there photos, but nice looking enough, but they had big smiles and led me up stairs.

The space was a partitioned room with curtains, a bed, shelf for clothes and sink for cleaning up, we had a little bit of banter and they had me undress, while they took off their tops, after bein cleaned up and lying on the bed / mattress, one girl positioned herself between my legs the other at my chest and they started to go to work, licking and sucking my nipples, cock and balls, while I rubbed any exposed flesh and between legs (but over panties), they swapped a few times, giving my tackle a wipe in-between, and had one on my balls and the other on my cock, it was a most wonderful experience, and I almost came about 4 times and swear I had some micro orgasms, they were getting tired about 20 minutes in, bit of chat between them in Thai, as I had not come yet, they kept asking if everything was ok, to which I affirmed yes, and they should keep going, and so I ran out the whole 40 minutes with the swapping back and forth cock and balls, near the end they stopped bothering to wipe me down between swapping.

So I did not finish, but it had felt awesome, and I feel I got my money's worth, they both seemed a little concerned I had not cum, but I reassured them I had had a nice time, and they encouraged me to come back again and they would try again, and maybe I should add a 3rd girl, and perhaps I will, it was definitely and experience.

Would I repeat: Yes, while the girl up front was a little rude, the service was great.

Cost: 2500 THB.

Day 14.

Last day in Thailand, and I have an early evening flight. After a few last errands I plan for a final session and choose to go to kokoro again as I have checked and nene is working the early shift, but after the success last night I decide to blow the last on my baht and get a duo nuru.

I rock up at Kokoro about midday, and get a line-up, there were 8 to 10 and I pick nene and aileen, I pay for the duo, plus the vip room with jacuzzi, if I am going big, may as well go all the way.

Up to the room and nene remembers me from the previous session, so we chat a little about what I have been doing since we last saw each other, aileen's english is not so great and she seems quite timid so stayed quite.

Session started as usual with the chair out and being soaped up, it's still not a comfortable perch, but this time I had 2 girls rubbing themselves over me which made up for, they were rubbing me, I was rubbing them, all fun. Then aileen slipped under the chair and started the rimming, while nene proceeded with a BBBJ, this was a nice combination, which ended too soon and the spa bath was full and so we were moving over, I hopped in and then aileen and then nene. In hindsight the jacuzi with 3 was a bad idea, it was a bit cramped, we had a bit of washing and touching, but was hard to get any nice action going. So I suggest we move on to the nuru.

Onto the matt, on with the gel and I get a double rub / body slide, nene goes down on my ass again which was pleasant, while aileen kinda slides along my side. The I flip and a bit more sliding, before nene asks who I'd like to fuck first, I ask aileen and they get a condom out, but then they both start exclaiming that I am too big, condom to small, but I make it work.

Aileen gets on top, but has trouble fitting me in, she is very tight, so nene helps guide me in and she starts to ride me but is grimacing, which puts me off and I ask if she is ok, if its too sore, I'm not one who gets off on that kind off action, but she assures me its ok, and after a bit the ride seems a little easier and I eventually finish with her on top and nene licking my nipples.

Quick cleanup and then nene orders "now you fuck nene", and I'm like fuck, I don't know if I'm up for that, but if they can help get me hard again I'll have a crack. So I do and we try a little cow girl. Missionary and doggy, but I'm getting tired and its hard to do on the slippery matt, I could tell if we had another 30 minutes I could probably make the 2nd shot, but nene check and we only had about 10 left, so I just opted for a slow cleanup shower, and lay on the bed naked admiring them. Then nene noticed the remainder of my sunburn, and became all motherly, went to her kit an got some cream and proceeded to rub lotion over all the burns.

I thanked them both for a lovely session and left Bangkok with a great final memory.

Would I repeat: yes nene, no aileen, no jacuzi. Maybe duo-nuro.

Cost: 8000 THB,(7500 THB duo-nuru, 500 VIP room).

So in summary I don't think I did too bad as a newbie, tried a few things, learnt a few things.

I had planned on hitting go-gos and beers bars, Trying Escorts, Thermae and TF / Fiwfans, but I enjoyed the massage parlors.

I am heading back in March, but will have a travelling companion, so less opportunities to venture out, but will see what I can fit in.

Look forward to your comments, I feel I still have a lot to learn.

Cheers, and happy fucking.

[SilviuO]

I just finished 13 days staying in Bangkok, and I make a little resume, maybe it will help other members.

I was wanted to pass Cherry, Unfortunate is close now, maybe it will open again. I was having BB number and found her at Momoya Massage.

I was visiting manny times BB, all the times I get good service.

Visit a few times Tulip, but not every time good service. Even Gulf, not too much good service, getting bored, or I found her tired.

I visit also Wooden bar. Having manny new ladies, some beautiful. Mostly of the times good service.

Exceptionally good service was provide by G and number 55, both experience ladies in the shop.

Visit a few time Kasalong, Nan and Pon, giving a very good blowjob, every time.

In the rest nothing too much interesting. I pick some ladies in the room, mostly from Nana area. Prices good now, I don't thing having too much customers.

I hope it will someone my post.

For my it was a very good vacation, like every time in Bangkok.

[Enjoy37]

Finally back in Bangkok after a long break. Arrived at the airport on Monday and I noticed how tourists were just streaming in again, and the traffic jams on the way into the city confirmed that things must be more or less back to normal. I did my homework the couple of days before (Big Thank You to all the posters who are keeping this forum alive) and began with my first beer Ritual at the Pub of choice.

I thought what better way to begin my trip than with a massage. After a long flight it just seems right.

Went to Analisa around 15:00 and there were 4 girls available to choose from. Chose a 90 Min session with Poy I believe her name was (late 20's, slim and great smile).

Went up the stairs and took a shower. Laid down on the bed with my friend dangling through the glory hole and the massage began. Rather nice technique, every now and then making sure my friend won't go to sleep.

After 45 Min of an average good massage Poy asked me to turn around and gave me BBBJ. Covered Cow girl followed and the session ended with a cleansing with warm towels. Went to the shower to clean the remaining oil and this completed session one.

I like this Massage place and recommend to try. Clean place.

In the evening went to Sri 11 and boy has this place changed: Many places I knew before (which included some of my favourites in the Sukhumvit area) are simply gone and / or have been replaced. Some interesting places there including Street Food places with good prices. Other places charge you 140-150 for a beer, so always check the Menu before you decide to stay. In general I still like this area for evening food and drink.

Day 2: Went to Kokoro and had a 60 Min session with Julia. Entered the place and sat down in front of the reception lady. Was offered a wet towel and paid. Julia was called and took me to the room.

I undressed and sat down in the middle of the shower room on a plastic chair with a split center. Was completely hosed down, soaped and hosed again which let into a BBBJ. Nice technique and deep.

She then prepared the mattress and I laid down on my front. The next 15-20 Min were a standard Nuru massage with B2 B sliding. Then turned around to repeat the same on the front. She then asked me if I wanted Sex on the mat race or on the bed. I opted for the mat race which developed into a slip and slide contest which made the whole thing quite entertaining. Finished and showered at the end.

I really recommend everyone to try a Nuru massage at least once.

Day 3: Booked Jam from Golden Escorts. Very easy communication with the agency and she showed up early at the agreed meeting point.

Went to the room and offered her a drink. She is Chinese / Thai mix, I think the pictures are real, although definitely dated as she gained some weight, has an enhanced Rack and a more tanned body. She started talking. And just wouldn't stop. Her English is really basic so I didn't understand half of what she was saying. But she was smiling a lot and had a good vibe. We had 2 pops: she is eager to please, keeps asking what I like, what I would like to do and she's very open minded, very passionate and too my taste a bit too dominating.

She enjoyed her time as well which she pointed out several times.

All in all it was a good date. I wouldn't repeat because we didn't have this special connection, but in general it was good service.

In the evening checked the scene around Nana, it was about 21:30. It might not be as busy as before Covid, but in my opinion there was a good crowd of people moving around. And I have to disagree with some earlier posts about there not being any talent around: I entered several Gogo bars in Nana and there were about 30-40 girls in almost every bar in all shapes and sizes. So IMHO there should be someone to everybody's liking. But I can understand how some people might feel: You get pickier with time, the expectations rise. It's like always returning to the same Restaurant. You just grow tired of the same old Menu.

Billboards and Lollipop would be leading my personal list of favourites here, but didn't get any takeout. Strolled down the street and the Pubs were rather quiet. Stumbled in at Hilary2 since there was a good crowd and they were playing what seemed to be Thai Rock music. Blindly ordered a beer and was astonished when I heard the price: 180 baht. I looked at the waitress and asked ' How Much ' ? Yes, I heard correctly the first time: 180 and she pointed at the drink Menu which was sitting right next to me on the counter. I should have turned around and left. But the bottle was open and I was thirsty. Lesson learned: For the same price you can get a Full Pint of draft! There was some interesting talent around Hilary2. Some young cuties, but didn't engage. Crossed the street to check out the scenery at the other Pubs: rather quiet. Not much talent here. Continued down the road and ran into a group of very young looking girls (too young if you know what I mean. Be careful guys. In case of doubt, check their ID). Went to the Stumble In and had a few drinks there and some nice chats. Talent there was average. Only 4 to 5's. But good to sit and watch the crowds passing by.

After this I decided to cross the street and check out the Beer garden area: It was now just after midnight and it was as good as dead. When BKK opened top after Covid this was the place to go to and now. In every Bar (of which half has disappeared since last year) there were about 8-12 people, mostly girls. No stunners.

More to follow.

[Tomasb]

Yes, I was in Hilary 2 a few times over the last few weeks and the beer prices are 180 b. Throw in a tip and it's 200 b. I don't drink a lot and also have a limit as to how much I do drink in an evening. Consequently, usually when I go in Hilary, I look for an empty bottle, pretend it's mine when the waitress comes over to clear, and tell her I don't want a drink. Either that or just shake my head. They do not make you buy a drink, at least that has been my experience. For one thing, they don't know how long you have been there.

As a price comparison, I am in Pattaya now. The whole town is one big bar so prices are very competitive. I had a BeerLao IPA (very good) last night for 110 b. The place did not have live music but beer and spirit prices overall are significantly cheaper — So are hotels and restaurants. I am staying in a very nice hotel about a five minute walk to TreeTown. The hotel is new, the room is twice the size of an average hotel room in lower Suk, has a microwave, large refrigerator, kitchen sink, pool view, patio, claw foot bath tub and rain shower, all for $40 USD. And freelances abound.


Finally back in Bangkok after a long break. Arrived at the airport on Monday and I noticed how tourists were just streaming in again, and the traffic jams on the way into the city confirmed that things must be more or less back to normal. I did my homework the couple of days before (Big Thank You to all the posters who are keeping this forum alive) and began with my first beer Ritual at the Pub of choice.

I thought what better way to begin my trip than with a massage. After a long flight it just seems right.

Went to Analisa around 15:00 and there were 4 girls available to choose from. Chose a 90 Min session with Poy I believe her name was (late 20's, slim and great smile).

Went up the stairs and took a shower. Laid down on the bed with my friend dangling through the glory hole and the massage began. Rather nice technique, every now and then making sure my friend won't go to sleep.

After 45 Min of an average good massage Poy asked me to turn around and gave me BBBJ. Covered Cow girl followed and the session ended with a cleansing with warm towels. Went to the shower to clean the remaining oil and this completed session one.

I like this Massage place and recommend to try. Clean place.

In the evening went to Sri 11 and boy has this place changed: Many places I knew before (which included some of my favourites in the Sukhumvit area) are simply gone and / or have been replaced. Some interesting places there including Street Food places with good prices. Other places charge you 140-150 for a beer, so always check the Menu before you decide to stay. In general I still like this area for evening food and drink.

Day 2: Went to Kokoro and had a 60 Min session with Julia. Entered the place and sat down in front of the reception lady. Was offered a wet towel and paid. Julia was called and took me to the room.

I undressed and sat down in the middle of the shower room on a plastic chair with a split center. Was completely hosed down, soaped and hosed again which let into a BBBJ. Nice technique and deep.

She then prepared the mattress and I laid down on my front. The next 15-20 Min were a standard Nuru massage with B2 B sliding. Then turned around to repeat the same on the front. She then asked me if I wanted Sex on the mat race or on the bed. I opted for the mat race which developed into a slip and slide contest which made the whole thing quite entertaining. Finished and showered at the end.

I really recommend everyone to try a Nuru massage at least once.

Day 3: Booked Jam from Golden Escorts. Very easy communication with the agency and she showed up early at the agreed meeting point.

Went to the room and offered her a drink. She is Chinese / Thai mix, I think the pictures are real, although definitely dated as she gained some weight, has an enhanced Rack and a more tanned body. She started talking. And just wouldn't stop. Her English is really basic so I didn't understand half of what she was saying. But she was smiling a lot and had a good vibe. We had 2 pops: she is eager to please, keeps asking what I like, what I would like to do and she's very open minded, very passionate and too my taste a bit too dominating.

She enjoyed her time as well which she pointed out several times.

All in all it was a good date. I wouldn't repeat because we didn't have this special connection, but in general it was good service.

In the evening checked the scene around Nana, it was about 21:30. It might not be as busy as before Covid, but in my opinion there was a good crowd of people moving around. And I have to disagree with some earlier posts about there not being any talent around: I entered several Gogo bars in Nana and there were about 30-40 girls in almost every bar in all shapes and sizes. So IMHO there should be someone to everybody's liking. But I can understand how some people might feel: You get pickier with time, the expectations rise. It's like always returning to the same Restaurant. You just grow tired of the same old Menu.

Billboards and Lollipop would be leading my personal list of favourites here, but didn't get any takeout. Strolled down the street and the Pubs were rather quiet. Stumbled in at Hilary2 since there was a good crowd and they were playing what seemed to be Thai Rock music. Blindly ordered a beer and was astonished when I heard the price: 180 baht. I looked at the waitress and asked ' How Much ' ? Yes, I heard correctly the first time: 180 and she pointed at the drink Menu which was sitting right next to me on the counter. I should have turned around and left. But the bottle was open and I was thirsty. Lesson learned: For the same price you can get a Full Pint of draft! There was some interesting talent around Hilary2. Some young cuties, but didn't engage. Crossed the street to check out the scenery at the other Pubs: rather quiet. Not much talent here. Continued down the road and ran into a group of very young looking girls (too young if you know what I mean. Be careful guys. In case of doubt, check their ID). Went to the Stumble In and had a few drinks there and some nice chats. Talent there was average. Only 4 to 5's. But good to sit and watch the crowds passing by.

After this I decided to cross the street and check out the Beer garden area: It was now just after midnight and it was as good as dead. When BKK opened top after Covid this was the place to go to and now. In every Bar (of which half has disappeared since last year) there were about 8-12 people, mostly girls. No stunners.

More to follow.

[GreenBud]

As most people know, medical marijuana is legal in Thailand. You don't need a prescription to buy. It's everywhere around the tourist areas (Nana, Soi Cowboy, Khoa Sanh Road).

Prices are ridiculously high. Decent will be from 350-1100 baht per gram! Fucking expensive! 350 is outdoor, somewhat covered, not that tight. 800-900 is normal chronic bud. 1100 looks very good, super covered. You also see, mainly on the street, brick weed, from 80-100 per gram. But quality is poor. Several years ago, that stuff was $1 per gram in Cambodia.

That 350 stuff, I can get in California for about $5 per gram. The 800-900 is about $10-15 in CA. I can get the 1100 per gram stuff for about $50 per eighth (3.5 grams) in the CA. Every time I bought the expensive stuff, I got pissed off for being way too expensive.

A lot of the strains you buy are starting to be produced in Thailand.

I spoke with an American working the marijuana scene. He said the marijuana shops has to charge a lot because the indoor farms charges a lot, and also due to high taxes. He "said" that his clinic only makes, after taxes, about 200 per gram. He said he expects prices to drop substantially in about a year, after all the investors gets paid.

Also, the balloon (NO2) scene sucks here. In Khoa Sanh Road, they charge 100 baht for the "large" balloon. But that balloon is ridiculously small; it's a pencil balloon. The bars won't allow you to partake outside; you had to do it inside the bar. The scene is way better in Saigon's Bui Vien. It's everywhere; you can do it outside. And way cheaper. It's 100-150 VND for a huge balloon.

[Nyezhov]

Our paths don't often cross, but we both had some free time so the world famous Monkey Paw and I hit Nana. If you don't know who he is, search. Regardless, hes hysterically funny, kind and a great party companion. We went to Billboard and Rainbows, had a few cocktails and laughs. Neither of us was really on the hunt, he was drained from an earlier session, me, I was cheeched out from a Truffle binge down at my buddies riverview duplex penthouse: bong hits and smoggy view. Anyway, he helped me navigate around and up and down the stairs (thanks for being nice to the old man!) and we had some great views of hotties and jiggling titties. I probably will need to go back to Billboard as there were some really slutty looking slinkies there, I thought the lineup in most of the places we stuck our head in were excellent. I also had a chance to make contact with my future wife (LOL) in Rainbow, maybe she will come by today. Who knows, who cares.

MP had to call it quits early so I went on to Thermae. Tons of hotties there and I chatted up a few, debated internally on two and decided that its a long weekend and ManU is on at 10 pm Saturday so best save the remnants of my manhood for later this weekend. By 1 am I was literally starving (few more bangs on the pipe didn't help) so off to munchie heaven, Margaita Storm where I packed a San Diego burrito into my drooling gob.

Lots of cuties on Suk late last night as I walked to get to the other side of the street for my 300 B plus toll ride home. I tipped the driver extra because he was driving me to near Nothanburi at 3 am without argument, and his home was in Samut Prakhan. Nothing beats a taxi ride on the empty Sirat with a bellyfull of booze and burrito.

[Nyezhov]

As most people know, medical marijuana is legal in Thailand. You don't need a prescription to buy. It's everywhere around the tourist areas (Nana, Soi Cowboy, Khoa Sanh Road).

Prices are ridiculously high. Decent will be from 350-1100 baht per gram! Fucking expensive! 350 is outdoor, somewhat covered, not that tight. 800-900 is normal chronic bud. 1100 looks very good, super covered. You also see, mainly on the street, brick weed, from 80-100 per gram. But quality is poor. Several years ago, that stuff was $1 per gram in Cambodia.

That 350 stuff, I can get in California for about $5 per gram. The 800-900 is about $10-15 in CA. I can get the 1100 per gram stuff for about $50 per eighth (3.5 grams) in the CA. Every time I bought the expensive stuff, I got pissed off for being way too expensive.

A lot of the strains you buy are starting to be produced in Thailand.

I spoke with an American working the marijuana scene. He said the marijuana shops has to charge a lot because the indoor farms charges a lot, and also due to high taxes. He "said" that his clinic only makes, after taxes, about 200 per gram. He said he expects prices to drop substantially in about a year, after all the investors gets paid.

Also, the balloon (NO2) scene sucks here. In Khoa Sanh Road, they charge 100 baht for the "large" balloon. But that balloon is ridiculously small; it's a pencil balloon. The bars won't allow you to partake outside; you had to do it inside the bar. The scene is way better in Saigon's Bui Vien. It's everywhere; you can do it outside. And way cheaper. It's 100-150 VND for a huge balloon.Any dispensary in the tourist areas is overpriced. Your American friend forgot to mention the overpriced rents. What do you think they pay for a storefront on Suk?

I pay half the tourist prices at my local, which is in a THai area. . Plus, being a long time stoner, I'm perfectly happy with old standbys instead of the "cool" strains. I've even found my fab, Durban Poison at a fair price.

Happy Smoking.

[Ucgdx]

I think you should read HT's excellent summary posted yesterday.

www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2184-General-Reports&p=2785294&viewfull=1#post2785294

Went through your list quickly but don't think I saw the Pimp, Thaniya road, Patpong, and Khaosan Road for drunk civilians.Thanks for the suggestions.

I left off The Pimp because I saw TheKaiser's post where he spent 30 k baht which is just crazy to me.

Thaniya Road is a good callout, so I added it.

I read lots of recent reports on Patpong and believe it's not up to Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy levels these days so I left it off.

Khaosan Road is worth adding too. Even during the day it's worth a casual tourist stroll to buy some elephant pants.

[Uncle Volodya]

As most people know, medical marijuana is legal in Thailand. You don't need a prescription to buy. It's everywhere around the tourist areas (Nana, Soi Cowboy, Khoa Sanh Road).
While the prices are high it's nice to have the option. But all the girls I was with seemed to hate weed and frown upon its use. They were very negative when I suggested we try some (jokingly) and I quickly changed the subject. They can't stand the smell.

Which you can smell everywhere. Sukhumvit reeks of weed. I could even smell it in my hotel elevator. And I was staying at a nice hotel. Nto a backpacker's dive. Weed shops are sprouting up on every corner. They may soon outnumber the girly bars. Maybe a case of too much of a good thing?

[Nyezhov]

While the prices are high it's nice to have the option. But all the girls I was with seemed to hate weed and frown upon its use. They were very negative when I suggested we try some (jokingly) and I quickly changed the subject. They can't stand the smell.

Which you can smell everywhere. Sukhumvit reeks of weed. I could even smell it in my hotel elevator. And I was staying at a nice hotel. Nto a backpacker's dive. Weed shops are sprouting up on every corner. They may soon outnumber the girly bars. Maybe a case of too much of a good thing?While there is a small coterie of Thai weed smokers, the majority of Thais prefer stimulants.

Old ladies in the villages love weed.

[Banana Boi]

Thaniya Road is a good callout, so I added it.

I read lots of recent reports on Patpong and believe it's not up to Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy levels these days so I left it off.FYI Patpong the the next block running parallel to Thaniya.

I mentioned Khaosan more for night because I thought you mentioned you wanted civvy pickups areas.

[Goatscrot]

While there is a small coterie of Thai weed smokers, the majority of Thais prefer stimulants.

Old ladies in the villages love weed.Young urban Thais are very much into weed. There are approx 2000 licensed shops in BKK alone. And most well outside tourist areas. But yes, the poor do like stimulants.

[Goatscrot]

As most people know, medical marijuana is legal in Thailand. You don't need a prescription to buy. It's everywhere around the tourist areas (Nana, Soi Cowboy, Khoa Sanh Road).

Prices are ridiculously high. Decent will be from 350-1100 baht per gram! Fucking expensive! 350 is outdoor, somewhat covered, not that tight. 800-900 is normal chronic bud. 1100 looks very good, super covered. You also see, mainly on the street, brick weed, from 80-100 per gram. But quality is poor. Several years ago, that stuff was $1 per gram in Cambodia.

That 350 stuff, I can get in California for about $5 per gram. The 800-900 is about $10-15 in CA. I can get the 1100 per gram stuff for about $50 per eighth (3.5 grams) in the CA. Every time I bought the expensive stuff, I got pissed off for being way too expensive.

A lot of the strains you buy are starting to be produced in Thailand.

I spoke with an American working the marijuana scene. He said the marijuana shops has to charge a lot because the indoor farms charges a lot, and also due to high taxes. He "said" that his clinic only makes, after taxes, about 200 per gram. He said he expects prices to drop substantially in about a year, after all the investors gets paid.

Also, the balloon (NO2) scene sucks here. In Khoa Sanh Road, they charge 100 baht for the "large" balloon. But that balloon is ridiculously small; it's a pencil balloon. The bars won't allow you to partake outside; you had to do it inside the bar. The scene is way better in Saigon's Bui Vien. It's everywhere; you can do it outside. And way cheaper. It's 100-150 VND for a huge balloon.VAT tax would be 7% like all other goods. There is no specific tax for marijuana like there is for alcohol because they haven't passed a bill regulating it yet. There seems to be plenty of supply. My guess, high rents and greed.

[Phil65]

I have been wanting to try out the milking table service for a few years now and finally made a call last month.

The price seemed reasonable for 2 hrs and 2 girls. They were fairly enthusiastic and I had a good time but I didn't think the milking table adds to fun.

After about 30 minutes of massage on a fairly uncomfortable table. We just ended up on the bed. Still it was a threesome and I had a good time.

[Uncle Volodya]

FYI Patpong the the next block running parallel to Thaniya.

I mentioned Khaosan more for night because I thought you mentioned you wanted civvy pickups areas.Sorry I keep getting my BKK geography mixed up. Thaniya is that street tight nest to Patpong where all the Japanese-oriented bars and Izakaya are, right?

[Banana Boi]

Sorry I keep getting my BKK geography mixed up. Thaniya is that street tight nest to Patpong where all the Japanese-oriented bars and Izakaya are, right?Correct. Where all the multi floor karaoke bars are. It's technically not the block beside Patpong but it's the next main street, running between Surawong and Silom. I consider all those little alley ways as Patpong.

[SamSiyani69]

Just some information to help my fellow bros on what I do in Bangkok and my game plan for getting action. I am born and brought up in London although of Indian / Arab background, mid 30's, and I tend to visit BKK around 2 or 3 times a year and have been doing this for around 7 to 8 years.

So, I tend to know all the little tricks and tips after gaining invaluable experience over the years (that includes good and bad experiences!

Below are simply my experiences and my own choices so don't berate me for my nasty shenanigans for it please!

GOGO Bars.

Patpong. Never visited but will do on my next trip.

Soi Cowboy. There are bars on the right-hand side (if walking from the main Asok road. Not sure if I am allowed to give the names of the bars) which are owned by a certain individual and is.

Very documented in these forums / google, these bars charge 1 lady drink as 2 and the bill very quickly surges. If you are a newbie, I would avoid these bars like the plague. You will notice the girls that work for these bars tend to be pushier by grabbing you and are hell of a lot hotter than the girls working for the other bars (they also tend to have pantyhose on and.

Very rarely have bare legs out on show).

If you do get roped in, you will also notice inside they are pretty much empty (bar maybe 1 or 2 other customers who have been roped in like you did). If you do go in and grab a girl, ensure you check each drink bill after each drink to ensure you are not getting scammed.

I have been into a couple of these bars over the years but have always been cautious and yes, the drink prices were higher but I didn't get scammed with additional drinks being added to my final bill but that was probably because they knew I was not a newbie. I was once in here and a young Chinese couple were literally fighting the bar staff presumably because their bill must have been inflated and it got very heated. If you are new to BKK, do not enter these bars unless you have the cash and are prepared to lose it. You are not allowed to bar fine any girls from these bars (and the girls tend to tell you upfront that is the case if you ask them) but I have managed to get numbers of a couple of girls and have had them back in my hotel after they finish their shift. Cost me around 5 k but was well worth it as the girl was gorgeous. All quietly done without the knowledge of the bar.

The other bars on the left are safer but I personally find it difficult to connect with the girls at Soi Cowboy than at Nana for some strange reason. Dollhouse have completely nude girls but they tend to be older and I don't find them attractive. Baccara / Tilac have better looking girls and bar fines are range from 700-1000 depending on the bar. I tend to visit the bars on the left and move from one to the next until I've found my poison for the night. Never visited Crazy Horse (bar located off cowboy) and neither tried due to this bar having an issue with certain backgrounds etc. Although I'the be interested to know if others similar to me have had any issues?

Nana. Now for me this is why I keep coming to Bangkok. On my last trip 2 weeks ago, I took away 4 girls on 4 different nights. 2 from Billboard, 1 from Butterflies and 1 from one of the Rainbows (heavens know which number. Why the fuck can't them come up with better names! Once within the bar, I tend to let the lady pick me rather than the other way around. I've found to receive much better service in the bedroom when a girl wants me as opposed to the girl I want (she's still got to be hot obviously). This tends to be done from eye contact. When I walk into a bar, there tends to be a few eyes on me (I am not trying to blow my own trumpet here!) but I work out, smell good and keep myself well-groomed so I think it's for this reason. I get the usual handsome bullshit from the girls, to the waitresses to the mamassan. But for me it's all in the eye contact with the girls. Within 5 minutes of a girl sitting down with me, I know whether she will be bar fined or not and this is evaluated from the conversation and the way she flirts back. Most guys should be able to pick this up. I can separate the bullshit from when a girl is being genuine and maybe that's just from experience. I tend to buy a couple of drinks and then get the 700-bar fine and ST 3 k fee sorted and take the girl back for the night of her dreams!

On 1 of those 4 occasions, the girl herself decided she would turn it into a LT and she left around 11 am the next morning (no extra payment made). On all 4 occasions I got BBFSCIP without asking and without paying a single baht extra. It just happened naturally on each occasion. You are playing around and she just puts it in. Perfect! Like your girlfriend would!

The girls that tend to provide this tend to be the younger girls I have found from experience. I'the say early to mid-20's. Although age is just a number and I'm sure older girls might but I think it just depends on you. I try to squeeze in 2 pops in the ST, if possible, before they have to rush back to the bar.

One tip I use is to bar fine say around midnight when the bar closes at 2 pm. You have a better chance of LT as the girl wouldn't go back to the bar afterwards (assuming she likes you of course alternatively you could negotiate a price with her at this point. I have had girls do LT with me even though I've paid ST on previous trips too.).

I was offered both ST and LT by the girls / mamassan so it wasn't just a case of them pushing for ST contrary to other reports where girls only want ST. Again, I think this is down to me looking, acting and talking a certain way. I am polite, gentleman-ish and treat them well and in return.

They treat me well. I treat her like my girlfriend in the bar and she then tends to treat me like her boyfriend in the bedroom. Very often I find guys absolutely ravaging girls in the bar on full show and many have told me they absolutely hate guys that do this. The girls did mention they will happily refuse to go with guys if they don't want to so I guess this might be a shift post Covid where the girls seem to have the control rather than the paying customer. I actually did have this happen to me with 1 girl in billboard on this trip - 21 years old, very hot, pretty new to the game but was very shy etc. Couldn't speak English well and I had already concluded I wouldn't bar fine.

Her due to these reasons but the mamassan came over and mentioned she had college early the next day so would be not bar-finable. (That could be true or it could also be she just didn't like me which is fair enough!

For me, Billboard is the best bar in Bangkok currently. For any newbie, my recommendation, start in either Billboard or Butterflies. Speak to the girls, have some drinks, bar-fine and then work your way to the other bars. Every girl I've bar fined here over the years have provided a very good service. They are probably the friendliest across the bars and have the best-looking girls without any push / pressure to buy drinks or bar-fine. You can quietly, and at your pace drink and watch the show. Best music and atmosphere for me but get there around 9 pm / 9. 30 pm as you probably won't find a seat if you come any later as it gets packed to the rafters. All bars in Bangkok are definitely suffering when it comes to the number of girls / patrons post Covid in comparison to numbers pre Covid but there is definitely enough to get action in the Gogo's if you plan and execute well. It's no use comparing to pre Covid as we live in a different world now when it comes to pricing.

Global inflation has an impact on everything. Prices in London for 1 HR with an average looking girl will set you back minimum £150 (that's 6 k baht). In the US, within the big cities, you are looking at a couple of hundred dollars at least (around 10 k baht). So, if in BKK you are getting ST for half.

That price, I'the say that's a bargain! And in my case sometimes LT! Again, with the girls, your mileage will vary.

Massage Parlours.

Aya Massage. Visited here and pre booked one of the girls. 2. 5 k for Nuru massage. Upon walking in, at around 3 pm, 20 hot girls lounging around in hot attire. Unfortunately, I had pre booked so no line up for me on this occasion. Pretty hot 27-year-old and I did the dirty deed. Got usual good service, BBBJ, kissing and covered FS. For me, AYA have the best-looking girls within these massage parlour type places. On my way out got the eyes and groping from a very cute young girl dressed as a schoolgirl but unfortunately couldn't get the time to come back and see her.

Daisy dream. Very good selection of girls when I walked in. Picked one and had the usual massage and again usual service BBBJ, kissing and covered FS. Good stable experience.

I do find these massage parlours a little but void of atmosphere / excitement and they tend to be a bit more mechanical which I guess is its role in getting you jacked off as soon as possible. I tend to use these massage parlours to get my daytime fix and then use.

GOGOs for the night time fix.

I wish they would open up a Macau style spa here in Bangkok one day. I think I would visit every month! 😊.

Other Massage Parlours I have visited in the past include Doki Doki, Casanova, Ola Ola, Picasso, Kokoro & Mitu. They pretty much offer the same thing and best thing to see the girls is either walk in or add them using Line / WeChat and they will provide an updated daily menu of which girls are working.

Regular Massage Parlours.

Now these are your regular massage places and differ slightly from the above but there is a gem of a spot (IMO) just besides Soi Cowboy. If you have walked the area, you know what I mean. There are around 5 - 7 massage places on this road and they all provide the same sort of service. On my last trip, I found there to be at least 2-3 hot girls at each parlour which were totally bangable. 500 for the initial regular massage and then at some point she will upsell and offer 500 for a HJ, 1000 for BJ, 2 k for FS. I negotiated and got FS for 1. 5 k Inc. Kissing. At one of the places (closest to cowboy), you are only separated by flimsy curtains to the next customer and the girl I had was not shy to say the least when it came to moaning. 😊 Apologies to the guy next to me! Once done, coming down the stairs, another girl groped my Johnson and offered round 2 after hearing all the noises. I had to politely decline.

Visited a number of these during the day to get my day fix. These are open till 1 am so if no success at Cowboy, I'the recommend you head here for some inexpensive way to get some quality action.

There is also a LB massage (if that floats your boat) place around Soi 7 on the main Sukhumvit road. Girls sit out on chairs with a menu. You will know what I am referring to if you have walked this road. Massage is around 500 then anything goes in the rooms, I'm sure. No experience of this so can't comment on anything further.

Pretty much completely opposite to this place on the other side of the main road is another regular massage place where you pretty much get the same service for the same price as I mentioned above but this place only has girls. This place has a huge number of girls around 10 to 15 sit out on the road and a lot are bangable.

BJ Bars.

No visits on this trip, but I find the girls not that attractive so avoided these. I'the prefer a massage and HJ from a hot girl (for 1 hour) rather than a BJ (10 minutes) from a less attractive girl for the same price.

(Just my opinion).

Thermae.

Did not visit and never have visited. It's on my list of TODO for my next trip in May 2023. But certainly, from walking the area, the number of girls around Thermae have declined massively! And from reports that's also true of inside. Pre covid, past 11 pm all the girls would be outside and there would be massive choice of hot girls (mixed in with some LB's LOL) but now it seems they just go home? Its pretty dead compared to before. I can't understand why as there seem to be lots of guys around wanting action. Same with in the bars, there seem to be lots of patrons and but it doesn't seem to match / tally up with the number of girls in some of the bars (in comparison to pre covid).

Thai Friendly / Online.

Had a dabble at this but success rate is not great and pretty much you end up with photoshopped / filtered / edited pictures which are not a true reflection of the girl. I'the not bother wasting time on this. Your time and money can be spent on more productive matters.

Non Hooker.

And to sign off, here is an interesting thing that happened to me which I've never had the joy of experiencing before which was getting some action with a non-working Thai girl (interesting being in the manner I somehow managed to get this lass in bed!) I had a 1 am flight out of BKK so had extended my check-out at the hotel to around 10 pm. On my final evening, I came back to my hotel at the Hyatt Regency after dinner and wandered across the hotel lobby and locked eyes with this girl who was getting drunk with a group of her friends. What have I been saying about eye contact? 😊.

She waved me over and invited me to have a drink with her! I said I'll go freshen up to my room after having walked which seemed like 50 miles in the Bangkok heat and come back down in 5 minutes. I wasn't actually planning to and she probably felt I wanted to just get away! I thought let me buy her 1 drink in the lobby and headed down but she unfortunately was no longer there. I wandered round the lobby and saw her waiting in the lobby area of the club with her friends located next to the hotel. Their group consisted off 3 girls and 2 guys. I went up and she and her friends instantly jumped on me (female friends!) as if they had just met their long-lost lover! They were drunk! Pretty sweet 22-year-old student on a night out with her friends. Bought her a drink in the club and told her I had to head off to catch a flight. I literally had 30 minutes before I should be in a cab to the airport. She gave me the eyes and insisted she join for my final 30 minutes in Bangkok! Huh?! She knew what she wanted and it took me a couple of minutes to register but so did I eventually. Took her back to the room and we did what 2 consenting adults usually do. Pretty amazing 30 minutes if I say so myself. BBFSCIP to end the trip. Result! I took the cab and she went back to the club to party the night away. Still can't comprehend this actually happened! Got her number and going to meet up on my next trip for some more dirty shenanigans.

In summary I would say there is still ample opportunity to get action in Bangkok with hot girls. Yes, it's a little bit pricier and there are less girls around than before but you just have to work a little bit harder now to get that action in comparison to pre-covid. Challenge accepted! Bring on May!

[TwilightZoner]

I have been wanting to try out the milking table service for a few years now and finally made a call last month.

The price seemed reasonable for 2 hrs and 2 girls. They were fairly enthusiastic and I had a good time but I didn't think the milking table adds to fun.

After about 30 minutes of massage on a fairly uncomfortable table. We just ended up on the bed. Still it was a threesome and I had a good time.I saw their ad on Massage Republic and wondered about them. Might give them a go when I return in September!!

[Attila The Hun]

I feel like there should be a pinned post feature or. Read this before going through 40 pages. Anyway, I got to ask again what so many have already asked in the past:

What are the best areas for mongering?

What are the average prices?

Where can you get the best bang for the buck?

[HorseTrader]

Just some information to help my fellow bros on what I do in Bangkok and my game plan for getting action. I am born and brought up in London although of Indian / Arab background, mid 30's, and I tend to visit BKK around 2 or 3 times a year and have been doing this for around 7 to 8 years.
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In summary I would say there is still ample opportunity to get action in Bangkok with hot girls. Yes, it's a little bit pricier and there are less girls around than before but you just have to work a little bit harder now to get that action in comparison to pre-covid. Challenge accepted! Bring on May!Good report, thanks for taking the time to post. Good information, well organized, well written. I'm far different person than you (I'm a really old farang) but your experiences are consistent with my experiences.

This long post is recommended reading for those who are not highly familiar with the Bangkok P4P scene.

[FeedSubject]

Hey guys.

Has anyone used the above service? Its outcall only so they don't have any spas, and the prices seem reasonable. Its normal massage (non erotic) so may not float your boat.

Was wanting to use it when I'm there so wanted to get any feedback if the therapists are good and its not a scam etc.

Thank you.

[Nyezhov]

Good report, thanks for taking the time to post. Good information, well organized, well written. I'm far different person than you (I'm a really old farang) but your experiences are consistent with my experiences.

This long post is recommended reading for those who are not highly familiar with the Bangkok P4P scene.Agreed. His description of Billboard is spot on. A word of warning: they have a fab big screen for sports, but the scenery is distracting. I missed Casemiro getting red carded last night because the new dancers were parading, thank god for replays!

Also, plenty of salivating falang girls, don't forget you are competing against them too.

Thermae was empy at midnight, simply because the girls were getting snatched up fast. On the other hand, the street bars were rocking.

The best looking girl I saw all night was in a weed store. I'm in love. I told her so. I said sweetie, I am an old and fat American and I love you. You are my girlfriend!

She smiled and told me to come back tomorrow. Maybe I should sponsor her to keep her home? Is that something you can do with girls here?

[FeedSubject]

Thanks for a great writeup as I am new to the scene. Going in a couple of months.

In your "massage" options, what does the price include? E,g for AVA, the deluxe option is 3500 for 90 minutes. What can I expect in this price? Thats close to $150 so hoping it better be good.


Just some information to help my fellow bros on what I do in Bangkok and my game plan for getting action. I am born and brought up in London although of Indian / Arab background, mid 30's, and I tend to visit BKK around 2 or 3 times a year and have been doing this for around 7 to 8 years.

So, I tend to know all the little tricks and tips after gaining invaluable experience over the years (that includes good and bad experiences!

Below are simply my experiences and my own choices so don't berate me for my nasty shenanigans for it please!

GOGO Bars.

Patpong. Never visited but will do on my next trip.

Soi Cowboy. There are bars on the right-hand side (if walking from the main Asok road. Not sure if I am allowed to give the names of the bars) which are owned by a certain individual and is.

Very documented in these forums / google, these bars charge 1 lady drink as 2 and the bill very quickly surges. If you are a newbie, I would avoid these bars like the plague. You will notice the girls that work for these bars tend to be pushier by grabbing you and are hell of a lot hotter than the girls working for the other bars (they also tend to have pantyhose on and.

[ScoobyDoook]

I was wanted to pass Cherry, Unfortunate is close now, maybe it will open again. I was having BB number and found her at Momoya Massage.

I phoned Cherry recently and the mamasan / receptionist said the Cherry shop on Soi 24/1 was closed for renovation and that the girls were working out of Momoya Massage.

I asked who was available and was given 6 names of which I recognized three who were of interest from the Cherry line up. I told the mamasan / receptionist my choice of girl and time and that was agreed. She told me to go to Soi 26 and look for a Dream Heaven Massage sign and then turn down that side street and when I walked down there I would see Momoya and the girl would be waiting. I had a look on Google Maps and it said Momoya Massage was on Soi 22 and was permanently closed but I know Google Maps is not reliable currently on massage shops. So I walked past the old cherry shop on Soi 24/1 on my way to Soi 26 and there were workers inside the Cherry shop doing renovation. So I figured it was as she said.

Found Momoya and paid 2200 for 90 minutes. Mint appeared, she is 32 years old (website says 22 but I knew she would be older), with one child. Smallish boobs with some baby damage on stomach and maybe 80% like the website photos. Service was shower, massage, oral, rimming, sex, shower. She was a bit reserved when we first met and stuck to her routine but she chilled out as we went along and went with the flow of what I wanted with no hang ups. She said she worked every day. Also if I phoned the shop next time and asked for her then even if she was not in the shop she could be there within a few minutes. So I guess that means they still need customers.

WIR. Yes.

The mamasan said the renovated Cherry shop would be open again in a few weeks time.

[Volterra]

Just some information to help my fellow bros on what I do in Bangkok and my game plan for getting action. I am born and brought up in London although of Indian / Arab background, mid 30's, and I tend to visit BKK around 2 or 3 times a year and have been doing this for around 7 to 8 years.

In summary I would say there is still ample opportunity to get action in Bangkok with hot girls. Yes, it's a little bit pricier and there are less girls around than before but you just have to work a little bit harder now to get that action in comparison to pre-covid. Challenge accepted! Bring on May!Good man, and great report. You must emit some intoxicating charm that others of us never had or have lost. That last minute fun with the college student is a trophy to hang on your wall! Hope I can get some (very) old mojo back and follow your inspiration next time in BKK. Cheers.

[Bluat]

Finally returned to Bangkok after a week in Pattaya and I got to say I almost forgot how much prettier the girls are in Bangkok vs Pattaya. Not to say there isn't anything worth fucking in Pattaya, but it doesn't have the same quality and variety. Many pretty girls in Nana today. I think most of the places I went into I saw many 7's, a couple of 8's and overall not many girls below a 6. Which to me that means I would gladly fuck anyone of them without regretting it. Bar fines are reasonable too at 700ST and 1000 LT. I didn't really take any girl home so I don't actually know how much they are asking for. Thermae had many hot girls too. One quoted me 2. 5 k and a couple quoted me 3 k. My preference are the massage parlors which I plan on visiting tomorrow once I get some rest after the long bus ride from Pattaya.

[GrapeMan]

As most people know, medical marijuana is legal in Thailand. You don't need a prescription to buy. It's everywhere around the tourist areas (Nana, Soi Cowboy, Khoa Sanh Road).

Prices are ridiculously high. Decent will be from 350-1100 baht per gram! Fucking expensive! 350 is outdoor, somewhat covered, not that tight. 800-900 is normal chronic bud. 1100 looks very good, super covered. You also see, mainly on the street, brick weed, from 80-100 per gram. But quality is poor. Several years ago, that stuff was $1 per gram in Cambodia.

That 350 stuff, I can get in California for about $5 per gram. The 800-900 is about $10-15 in CA. I can get the 1100 per gram stuff for about $50 per eighth (3.5 grams) in the CA. Every time I bought the expensive stuff, I got pissed off for being way too expensive.

A lot of the strains you buy are starting to be produced in Thailand.

I spoke with an American working the marijuana scene. He said the marijuana shops has to charge a lot because the indoor farms charges a lot, and also due to high taxes. He "said" that his clinic only makes, after taxes, about 200 per gram. He said he expects prices to drop substantially in about a year, after all the investors gets paid.
Heard similar last year, and when I went, prices were pretty absurdly high compared to the US, but people from UK and other places don't see it the same way as people who lived or went to places in the US with legal weed that its very cheap in the US, thailand was insane high. Most of last year the weed and edibles they said was imported mostly from California, as Thailand didn't really have much production and the sellers in the tourist areas wouldn't be getting it first anyways. They thought prices would come down but no one really knows because its selling at this price, so they may just get a better markup. Also be aware, a lot of pre-rolls and such in thailand will be weed mixed with tobacco. Heavy on the tobacco.

[Paolo99]

Never visited Crazy Horse (bar located off cowboy) and neither tried due to this bar having an issue with certain backgrounds etc. Although I'the be interested to know if others similar to me have had any issues?Once I had the doorman gave me the bad look and tell me the place is "Heea free" (in Thai), which meant "don't misbehave inside". I've been in that place a couple of times, each time it was shit, I don't get it why the place is always packed.


Aya Massage. Visited here and pre booked one of the girls. 2. 5 k for Nuru massage. Upon walking in, at around 3 pm, 20 hot girls lounging around in hot attire
Daisy dream. Very good selection of girls when I walked in.A bit hard to believe.

I was a huge fan of these oilies pre-covid and most of the times we could find only a few doable girls in one place (not even talking about hot, doable just being cute or slim most of the time). Post-covid, the selection is even harder with lots of places not even having a single doable girl inside. This makes me believe these girls you talked about earlier were probably not that "hot" also.


Pretty much completely opposite to this place on the other side of the main road is another regular massage place where you pretty much get the same service for the same price as I mentioned above but this place only has girls. This place has a huge number of girls around 10 to 15 sit out on the road and a lot are bangable.Seems like you're talking about the Nangseeda shop located across Sukhumvit road, right down the Nana BTS stairs.

Went there once pre-covid, thought that I would go with the flow and I would negotiate with the girl upstairs but was a complete waste of time, she wanted 3000 baht for 1 hour on top of the 500 baht for the "regular massage" and would offer only 1 shot. When I refused the deal she kept saying some bullshit like she was losing money because she has to pay the shop each time she goes up with a customer.

The place is very pricey for girls all over 30 or even 40, I wouldn't recommend it to anybody.

Anyway thanks for the good report, it was still informative for a guy like me, that don't pay much attention to the gogo scene when I'm in Bkk or Pattaya.

[SamSiyani69]

Good man, and great report. You must emit some intoxicating charm that others of us never had or have lost. That last minute fun with the college student is a trophy to hang on your wall! Hope I can get some (very) old mojo back and follow your inspiration next time in BKK. Cheers.Definitely was and highly doubt it will happen again. Right place and at the right time!

[SamSiyani69]

Thanks for a great writeup as I am new to the scene. Going in a couple of months.

In your "massage" options, what does the price include? E,g for AVA, the deluxe option is 3500 for 90 minutes. What can I expect in this price? Thats close to $150 so hoping it better be good.I had the Nuru which I think was 3 k. The deluxe option is simply a massage and sex without the Nuru for 90 minutes. If you've never experienced Nuru then I'd definitely try that as with the right girl its pretty amazing. Basically you shower with the girl where she will clean you up (you can participate in some mutual touching / groping at this stage) and then she will take out the rubber table thing and get you to lie down, and rub the nuru gel all over you and herself. You get a body to body and then you pretty much have some great sliding sex with the nuru gel on.

[Rodwint2]

Arrived a few days ago. Late flight arrived couple of hours late and went to my usual hotel on Soi 11. At 2:30 am the traffic was horrendous. The new beer bars and street walkers have transformed Soi 11 to Nana Plaza. There is a huge contingent of ladyboy street walkers that all the local Thais have commented on to me. Also, the cannabis dealers are openly selling out of small truck and is even has a retail location in my hotel.

What was once a nice Soi for families and normal folks has been transformed in to a cross of Nana and Cowboy that has made this Soi now unacceptable for normal folks.

[Goatscrot]

Arrived a few days ago. Late flight arrived couple of hours late and went to my usual hotel on Soi 11. At 2:30 am the traffic was horrendous. The new beer bars and street walkers have transformed Soi 11 to Nana Plaza. There is a huge contingent of ladyboy street walkers that all the local Thais have commented on to me. Also, the cannabis dealers are openly selling out of small truck and is even has a retail location in my hotel.

What was once a nice Soi for families and normal folks has been transformed in to a cross of Nana and Cowboy that has made this Soi now unacceptable for normal folks.Two decades ago lower Suk was not a "family place. " After the shops closed, say about 9:00 pm or so, the street was lined with working girls and about the only foot traffic was men who were looking to meet them. At that time the sidewalk market ended at soi 11. There were also no street bars. It was charmingly sleazy. Of course now I don't find anything particularly charming about it, but not being family-friendly? Do you expect it to be family friendly? Maybe there are some places on the planet that should actually be for adults.

[Cha Chumplin]

Finally returned to Bangkok after a week in Pattaya and I got to say I almost forgot how much prettier the girls are in Bangkok vs Pattaya. Not to say there isn't anything worth fucking in Pattaya, but it doesn't have the same quality and variety. Many pretty girls in Nana today. I think most of the places I went into I saw many 7's, a couple of 8's and overall not many girls below a 6. Which to me that means I would gladly fuck anyone of them without regretting it. Bar fines are reasonable too at 700ST and 1000 LT. I didn't really take any girl home so I don't actually know how much they are asking for. Thermae had many hot girls too. One quoted me 2. 5 k and a couple quoted me 3 k. My preference are the massage parlors which I plan on visiting tomorrow once I get some rest after the long bus ride from Pattaya.Wow!

You need photo evidence. I'm just not seeing what you seeing.

Most Bana girls are no higher than average.

[Nyezhov]

Heard similar last year, and when I went, prices were pretty absurdly high compared to the US, but people from UK and other places don't see it the same way as people who lived or went to places in the US with legal weed that its very cheap in the US, thailand was insane high. Most of last year the weed and edibles they said was imported mostly from California, as Thailand didn't really have much production and the sellers in the tourist areas wouldn't be getting it first anyways. They thought prices would come down but no one really knows because its selling at this price, so they may just get a better markup. Also be aware, a lot of pre-rolls and such in thailand will be weed mixed with tobacco. Heavy on the tobacco.'Muricans and Canadians are spoiled with weed prices. Now think about being Japanese or Korean, would you object to $30 baht a gram weed if it calls for death in your own country LOL.

I saw a group of Japanese in the Nana beergarden last night. They were oooohing and ahhhing as they ground their gram and rolled a joint, like I remember the boys doing when I started smoking as a teenager in the 60's. It was a cool ritual then, now I just stuff the pipe. Meanwhile, some Japanese youngster rolls a joint and they all applaud and say Banzai.

Re the warning on pre rolls: if you are a real stoner, pass.

Sunday night: Billboard full of hotties. Thermae dead.

[Rodwint2]

Two decades ago lower Suk was not a "family place. " After the shops closed, say about 9:00 pm or so, the street was lined with working girls and about the only foot traffic was men who were looking to meet them. At that time the sidewalk market ended at soi 11. There were also no street bars. It was charmingly sleazy. Of course now I don't find anything particularly charming about it, but not being family-friendly? Do you expect it to be family friendly? Maybe there are some places on the planet that should actually be for adults."Family Friendly" is subject to differing interpretations. Going back to the early 2000's, Soi 11 was not known as budding redlight district. Efforts were even trending to clean up the Soi when they closed up the massage operations next to the old Villa Market site. Tearing down the old buildings around the Cheap Charlie's Bar was supposed to gentrify the Soi. However, for what ever reasons, the construction ran in to problems and what arose from the location was a mish match of beer bars and restaurants with alot of women thrown in.

[Goatscrot]

"Family Friendly" is subject to differing interpretations. Going back to the early 2000's, Soi 11 was not known as budding redlight district. Efforts were even trending to clean up the Soi when they closed up the massage operations next to the old Villa Market site. Tearing down the old buildings around the Cheap Charlie's Bar was supposed to gentrify the Soi. However, for what ever reasons, the construction ran in to problems and what arose from the location was a mish match of beer bars and restaurants with alot of women thrown in.In the early 2000's Soi 11 was nothing except Cheap Charlie's and a few restaurants. It was actually very lively in the late 00's and the early 10's with the van bars. Quite fun. The clubs that opened on 11 were always full of working girls. The "clean up" post 2014 did change the Soi although the clubs were still packed with p4 p gals. Covid pretty much decimated the Soi and what has returned including the type of tourists you see in the area leaves a lot to be desired.

[HorseTrader]

Covid pretty much decimated the Soi and what has returned including the type of tourists you see in the area leaves a lot to be desired.Please explain what you mean by "leaves a lot to be desired." Certainly it isn't family friendly, but it seems to me that Soi 11 is more upscale/expensive now than it was 5 years ago.

[Ucgdx]

The best looking girl I saw all night was in a weed store. I'm in love. I told her so. I said sweetie, I am an old and fat American and I love you. You are my girlfriend!

She smiled and told me to come back tomorrow. Maybe I should sponsor her to keep her home? Is that something you can do with girls here?You can certainly sponsor a girl by sending money through Moneygram, Wise, or any number of other services. In fact, I do that now, with the explicit agreement that neither of us are limiting each other's activities; she can still find other guys for p4 p or fun if she wants, and she knows I have a local sugar baby back home. The reason I'm supporting her is that I want her to have a bit more financial freedom, and feel more free to decline potential customers who are rude or seem dangerous. I didn't start supporting her until after we had months of texts and video calls, and I decided she was someone I could trust, and who I wanted a long-term regular emotional connection with.

[Goatscrot]

Please explain what you mean by "leaves a lot to be desired." Certainly it isn't family friendly, but it seems to me that Soi 11 is more upscale/expensive now than it was 5 years ago.Have you seen the type of folks roaming lower Sukhumvit these days? Myself and most of the locals I know want a shower after just walking down the street. Before COVID lower Suk was a little over half tourists, now it's well over 75%. And I'm sorry for a resident and for many locals that makes for a not so wonderful place to be.

Upscale? You mean like the folks that eat at Salt Bae's? No thanks. I preferred it when it was juat expats and mongers. It was far less icky for lack of a better word. I'll believe it's upscale when they upscale locals start frequenting the area.

If it weren't for the excellent Arabic food I'd never venture between Asoke and Ploenchit. I'm really hoping the area improves.

[Bluat]

Wow!

You need photo evidence. I'm just not seeing what you seeing.

Most Bana girls are no higher than average.Just go to Billboard's tonight. That place to me is full of 7's and 6's. If they aren't your thing then I'm not sure Thailand has much to offer you because you're not going to find Miss Thailand working at a go go bar.

[Lucky Nuts]

Just go to Billboard's tonight. That place to me is full of 7's and 6's. If they aren't your thing then I'm not sure Thailand has much to offer you because you're not going to find Miss Thailand working at a go go bar.As Nyezhov mentioned Billboard was great last night. I'm usually a one beer at each bar kind of guy but last night I comfortably sat in the same chair for a couple hours at Billboard. It's a huge change from a couple weeks ago when I wouldn't even buy one beer there because all the girls were thick.

[Bluat]

As Nyezhov mentioned Billboard was great last night. I'm usually a one beer at each bar kind of guy but last night I comfortably sat in the same chair for a couple hours at Billboard. It's a huge change from a couple weeks ago when I wouldn't even buy one beer there because all the girls were thick.I was there last night too. It was great.

[Bigstud]

'Muricans and Canadians are spoiled with weed prices. Now think about being Japanese or Korean, would you object to $30 baht a gram weed if it calls for death in your own country LOL.

I saw a group of Japanese in the Nana beergarden last night. They were oooohing and ahhhing as they ground their gram and rolled a joint, like I remember the boys doing when I started smoking as a teenager in the 60's. It was a cool ritual then, now I just stuff the pipe. Meanwhile, some Japanese youngster rolls a joint and they all applaud and say Banzai.

Re the warning on pre rolls: if you are a real stoner, pass.

Sunday night: Billboard full of hotties. Thermae dead.Thanks for the update bro. I grew up in NY during the Woodstock era, and am still at it! Anyway, just wondering what you have against pre-rolls? For me, they are quite convenient and do the job!

[11Bravo]

I feel like there should be a pinned post feature or. Read this before going through 40 pages. If ONLY there was a function like that, not only for Thailand, but for other countries as well. Even a tutorial on how to search, to easily find other posts from an author that's written an informative one. What a wonderful world that would be.


My Bangkok ExperienceREALLY NICE FR, plenty of useful info. I understand the time and effort it takes, so well done. Put a link to the report in the ROD's (Reports of Distinction thread).

(hint, hint).
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2009-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction


2 Weeks Bangkok and PattayaAnother well done for your FR; as I said, time and effort appreciated. Put a link to the report in the ROD's (Reports of Distinction thread).

Agree with you on the DISCOMFORT of the plastic split seat; for me, not worth the discomfort for the access it provides.

The same as McDonald's, there's always some clowns (seemingly always ahead of me) who take forever to make a decision (Big Mac, fries - large, small; drink - large, small; oh, I could have that in a combo meal, let me see.... Or maybe I'll take the McNuggets - how many nuggets in a box? And let me get my friends' opinions because I certainly can't make up my own mind). It's not a life altering decision. Take a look at the lineup or the tablet, pick one that you like, and that's it. Come back tomorrow to try something else. Talk about a kid in a candy store. In those cases, I think the mamasan should allow waiting customers to jump the queue when someone is taking an excessive amount of time to decide. Geesh.

Try Don Quixote on Soi 26 - you know nuru, so take the TUB option. Nice scrub in a tub, then onto a bed for some action. It's NOT Soi 2's Annies (RIP), but a passible substitute.


Thanks for the suggestions.

I read lots of recent reports on Patpong and believe it's not up to Nana Plaza or Soi Cowboy levels these days so I left it off.Yea, but ... I would take him to Meet The World, buy him a beer and a BJ (buying lady drink (s) for however many butterflies he wants. Yes, they're not lookers, but with a lady drink, they do don their battle gear (birthday suits), and they do have certain talents). My best friend did that for me at SOL (RIP) and it's something we laughed about for decades.

[LoneRangers]

Thanks for the update bro. I grew up in NY during the Woodstock era, and am still at it! Anyway, just wondering what you have against pre-rolls? For me, they are quite convenient and do the job!I'm not sure why he told you to avoid the prerolls in Thailand, but in the USA prerolls are often filled with lesser quality material (shake, trim, small buds, old material etc).

[Bluat]

I had a really nice Nuru massage today for 3 k baht. More expensive then I thought it would be, but I really enjoyed it. The girl was a petite slim thing that had a lot of work done on her. Looked to have had a nose job done and definitely fake tits, but overall she looked really good. I would give her a solid 7. When I was presented with the lineup there were maybe a dozen girls that were presented to me. Most of them looked alright, it's just hard to tell since they all wore dresses on so I couldn't be sure if they had nice bodies or not. Their faces were average, and I would say most girls were young with a few that looked to be in their late 30's to early 40's. I was actually worried about the girl I chose because while she looked to be slim the dress made her seem like she had some baby damage, but I was completely wrong. That girl had a nice toned body with not an ounce of fat on her or any baby marks. Too bad her tits were fake because when she was slipping and sliding on me it felt like I being massaged by a balloon. But she gave a really good BBBJ and the CFS was really good as she was extremely tight. I would definitely go here again, but maybe not do a nuru massage. I forget how much the other menu items were, but I'm pretty sure they were less then 3 K.

[Explorer8939]

You can certainly sponsor a girl by sending money through Moneygram, Wise, or any number of other services. In fact, I do that now, with the explicit agreement that neither of us are limiting each other's activities; she can still find other guys for p4 p or fun if she wants, and she knows I have a local sugar baby back home. The reason I'm supporting her is that I want her to have a bit more financial freedom, and feel more free to decline potential customers who are rude or seem dangerous. I didn't start supporting her until after we had months of texts and video calls, and I decided she was someone I could trust, and who I wanted a long-term regular emotional connection with.This is going to lead to a sad post soon.

I am sure this lady's Thai boyfriend appreciates the money you are sending him.

[Zhangsan]

Just arrived yesterday (Monday Feb 6), pretty tired but wanted to do some exploring just to see what's up. Things ended up being insane.

Full disclosure. My tastes trend towards the expensive, and I was / am hosting a guest.

Visited Billboard at 11 PM with a friend. Place was packed, no sofas infilled, no tables available. Only bar stools. Lots of girls, fairly decently looking, bought lady drinks for two of them and some others. They wanted us to take back, but we had something else on itinerary, so passed. Total damage, about 2 k baht for four drinks, four lady drinks, and some tips. Reasonable.

Next, went to The Pimp at roughly midnight. Was slightly disappointed because the mamasan was only able to bring out 20 girls. She was a bit apologetic, advised that Mondays were slow and we were kinda late (which was fair). Advised that if we came Wednesday at around 10, she would have 150 girls available. Even so, the average quality was very high, much higher than anywhere else I visited, and I'm picky (Chinese American, very Asian standards). Was able to find a super hot one and an attractive one. Both very slim, early / mid 20's, very good English. Bought a good bottle, played drinking games for almost 2. 5 hours before leaving at 2 AM. I let my friend have the super hot one, and while she initially said she wouldn't go to the hotel (because she had to get up early for her job in finance), she later told my friend that she'the be willing to see him privately. Mine told me she'the be willing to go, but I passed. Girls had wonderful attitudes, and it didn't feel sleazy at all. Plan to go again for a VIP room. Will report back. Was tremendous fun but not for budget sexpats or cheap Charlie's. Total damage was around 16 k baht. 5 k for the bottle (mixers were free), 8 k in sitting fees for the two girls (they only charged us 2 hrs - 3000 for first HR, 1000 for second, which is standard, even though it was more like 2. 5 hrs), 1 k for food, and 2 k for the mamasan.

After I got back to the JW, I was still kinda sore from the flight so wanted a masseuse. Since no one else was up (3 AM), I ordered one from a Chinese Telegram group who said he would send me a mainland Chinese girl. I kinda looked forward to a relaxing massage with happy ending and some good conversation in Chinese. Instead, what I got was a Thai ladyboy who insisted she was Korean, refused to leave when asked, and demanded 80 k (baht while screaming at me. Was genuinely a bit scared. Eventually had to ask security to take her away, and they were as bemused / shocked as I was. Got different keycards from them, tipped the two security guys 1 k baht each because they probably saved me from a heart attack. Now I'm trying to unwind from this crazy end to what was a pleasant evening.

Key takeaways: Nana is doing well, The Pimp is awesome fun if you have a decent wallet and want something that feels classier, and stay the fuck away from telegram.

[Banana Boi]

Total damage was around 16 k baht. 5 k for the bottle (mixers were free), 8 k in sitting fees for the two girls (they only charged us 2 hrs - 3000 for first HR, 1000 for second, which is standard, even though it was more like 2. 5 hrs), 1 k for food, and 2 k for the mamasan.Thanks for providing the current pricing for The Pimp. Just a few questions. Is there bottle service there or do I need to buy another 5 k baht bottle on every visit? What is the 2 k for mamasan for? Barfine? Mandatory or optional tip? Since you chose 2 girls would it be the same 16 k total for 2 guys?

[Nyezhov]

This is going to lead to a sad post soon.

I am sure this lady's Thai boyfriend appreciates the money you are sending him.I should have labeled my original post about sponsorship as irony.


I'm not sure why he told you to avoid the prerolls in Thailand, but in the USA prerolls are often filled with lesser quality material (shake, trim, small buds, old material etc).Exactly.

[Ucgdx]

This is going to lead to a sad post soon.

I am sure this lady's Thai boyfriend appreciates the money you are sending him.Sad post sometime in the future, maybe.

Thai boyfriend, I doubt it. During the few months I've been talking to her, she's gone through two local guys: a young simp from China who doesn't speak Thai or English and ended up trying to cheat on her, and a tattooed deadbeat player / fuckboy from Hong Kong.

I know the odds in this situation are not good for me, but I choose to play anyway. My money, my type of fun.

[Zhangsan]

Thanks for providing the current pricing for The Pimp. Just a few questions. Is there bottle service there or do I need to buy another 5 k baht bottle on every visit? What is the 2 k for mamasan for? Barfine? Mandatory or optional tip? Since you chose 2 girls would it be the same 16 k total for 2 guys?So a couple of things to follow up on. Minimum spend for entry is either 1 k baht entry fee per guest (comes with two drinks for each guest), OR crack a 4 k baht minimum bottle for the group. However, seating also has minimums. If you want one of the nice couches, you or your group needs to pick at least three girls, whereas if you choose one of the four-seater tables, only one girl needs to be picked. I believe they will store remaining liquor for you, but unsure since was first trip. Mixers were free. RE the mamasan tip, I did a lot of KTVs and I would call it an optional tip you should definitely give. You probably can not give it, but as she's the gateway to the girls it's a fairly bad idea and bad form if you think you might ever be a repeat visitor. Did not request to take out, so didn't inquire further on if there is a barfine or not, but previous reports I read said there is not.

FYI. It also seems the website is somewhat out of date. The WeChat barcode leads to a group which has been blacklisted by the app, the pricing part talks about a 20 k for 6 bottles package (is only 5 now) and a 30% discount on girl fees as a "gold member" if you buy the package (said discount no longer exists), the girl requirement on the site says 0/4 for table / couch (is actually 1/3 now), etc. So, just be aware.

[Baloney Pony]

After I got back to the JW, I was still kinda sore from the flight so wanted a masseuse. Since no one else was up (3 AM), I ordered one from a Chinese Telegram group who said he would send me a mainland Chinese girl. I kinda looked forward to a relaxing massage with happy ending and some good conversation in Chinese. Instead, what I got was a Thai ladyboy who insisted she was Korean, refused to leave when asked, and demanded 80 k (baht while screaming at me. Was genuinely a bit scared.Of course, I read the above right before I go to bed. Fucking David Lynchian nightmare fuel.

Glad you're okay.

[Cha Chumplin]

Just arrived yesterday (Monday Feb 6), pretty tired but wanted to do some exploring just to see what's up. Things ended up being insane.

Full disclosure. My tastes trend towards the expensive, and I was / am hosting a guest.

Visited Billboard at 11 PM with a friend. Place was packed, no sofas infilled, no tables available. Only bar stools. Lots of girls, fairly decently looking, bought lady drinks for two of them and some others. They wanted us to take back, but we had something else on itinerary, so passed. Total damage, about 2 k baht for four drinks, four lady drinks, and some tips. Reasonable.

Next, went to The Pimp at roughly midnight. Was slightly disappointed because the mamasan was only able to bring out 20 girls. She was a bit apologetic, advised that Mondays were slow and we were kinda late (which was fair). Advised that if we came Wednesday at around 10, she would have 150 girls available. Even so, the average quality was very high, much higher than anywhere else I visited, and I'm picky (Chinese American, very Asian standards). Was able to find a super hot one and an attractive one. Both very slim, early / mid 20's, very good English. Bought a good bottle, played drinking games for almost 2. 5 hours before leaving at 2 AM. I let my friend have the super hot one, and while she initially said she wouldn't go to the hotel (because she had to get up early for her job in finance), she later told my friend that she'the be willing to see him privately. Mine told me she'the be willing to go, but I passed. Girls had wonderful attitudes, and it didn't feel sleazy at all. Plan to go again for a VIP room. Will report back. Was tremendous fun but not for budget sexpats or cheap Charlie's. Total damage was around 16 k baht. 5 k for the bottle (mixers were free), 8 k in sitting fees for the two girls (they only charged us 2 hrs - 3000 for first HR, 1000 for second, which is standard, even though it was more like 2. 5 hrs), 1 k for food, and 2 k for the mamasan.

After I got back to the JW, I was still kinda sore from the flight so wanted a masseuse. Since no one else was up (3 AM), I ordered one from a Chinese Telegram group who said he would send me a mainland Chinese girl. I kinda looked forward to a relaxing massage with happy ending and some good conversation in Chinese. Instead, what I got was a Thai ladyboy who insisted she was Korean, refused to leave when asked, and demanded 80 k (baht while screaming at me. Was genuinely a bit scared. Eventually had to ask security to take her away, and they were as bemused / shocked as I was. Got different keycards from them, tipped the two security guys 1 k baht each because they probably saved me from a heart attack. Now I'm trying to unwind from this crazy end to what was a pleasant evening.

Key takeaways: Nana is doing well, The Pimp is awesome fun if you have a decent wallet and want something that feels classier, and stay the fuck away from telegram.I don't buy girls are making loads of money online. I could be wrong.

I'll go with many are just waiting for 40,000,000 tourists again.

Really doesn't make a difference if they work or not. They habitually Broke.

[Zhangsan]

Of course, I read the above right before I go to bed. Fucking David Lynchian nightmare fuel.

Glad you're okay.Thanks, me too! I think it's the only time in 10+ years mongering where I've genuinely been uncomfortable. I've heard ladyboys can be aggressive, but damn! Followed inside my room when I told her to wait outside as I was trying to message the Telegram guy to find out if this was a genuine mixup or something, stripped immediately as she got in, then when I told her to please dress she got angry and told me that she came all the way from KTV and she wanted her 80 k. Even after I called for security, she argued half-naked with THREE JW security guards for another 15 minutes in my room before finally leaving. Even the security night manager was in disbelief, joking with me that he had heard of 8 k or even 10 k, but never 80 k and that she had confirmed with him as well that she wanted 80 k, so it wasn't a language issue. As he put it, "not even for 3 k".

Him and another guard stayed in my room and chilled a bit afterwards to make sure she wouldn't come back afterwards, and we had a good laugh. They got me new keycards just in case as well, and I tipped both of them for their services. It's a funny story now, but two nights ago it was disconcerting as hell for sure, haha.

[Zhangsan]

Tuesday, Feb 7 report. AYA Massage, Cowboy, Thermae, Nana.

AYA Massage. Was quite disappointing when I got there at about 9 PM. Only about 7-8 ladies, all of them looking late 30's to 40's. Maybe the good ones were taken, but what I saw was a pack of 3-4's, not even a single 5. I passed, and so did the Japanese dude who came before me.

Soi Cowboy. By 9:30 PM the street itself was filled with people, but also absolutely choked with the smell of weed. I'm from San Francisco, so I get used to it, but it was so damn strong that I just passed through. Not sure how the girls were, the weed stench was just too stronk for me.

Thermae. Thermae was full of people at 9:45 PM, with all the girls unmasked. Went inside, got a drink, then took a glance. The 60-70 girls were lined up in two circles. An outer circle and an inner circle that surrounded the small central bar. However, I was unimpressed with the talent. Felt like mostly 4-5, with a few borderline 6's thrown in. Did two circle walks, then declined and headed to Nana.

Nana. Walked around a few bars. Rainbow has really taken over! Surprisingly, had a negative experience outside Spanky's, which I'the never had before. Spanky used to be my one of my favorites. This time, after I got there I asked to see if could stick my head in and take a look, and the door girl just scowled at me and said I can look from outside only, and batted my hands away from the cloth door and told me to buy a drink. Zero sanuk at all, which again was surprising. Spanky had always had a super fun vibe. Ended up getting a LT Isaan spinner from Billboard. Barfine is still 700/1000 to bar and 3000/6000 for the girl. Usually don't go for the short and dark Isaan type, but this one was a 26 yr old super spinner at 38 kg, didn't have an ounce of fat on her and her skin was as smooth as an 18-yr olds. She must use some great lotion! Sadly English proficiency was a bit poor, so very little convo, just boom boom, but she gave good head and really was light as a feather. Also gave a pretty good massage! Left after 4 hours, which is apparently what LT means now (was discussed in advance), but I wasn't too annoyed since I was getting sleepy and these days I like to sleep alone. If true overnight is expected, better make it clear from the start.

Tonight, back to The Pimp to see what their "full lineup" looks like. Plan to get four girls for me and my buddy this time, may take one back. Will report. Also May do an Emmanuel trip. Always liked a good soapie.

[Volterra]

Tuesday, Feb 7 report. AYA Massage, Cowboy, Thermae, Nana.

Ended up getting a LT Isaan spinner from Billboard. Barfine is still 700/1000 to bar and 3000/6000 for the girl. Usually don't go for the short and dark Isaan type, but this one was a 26 yr old super spinner at 38 kg, didn't have an ounce of fat on her and her skin was as smooth as an 18-yr olds. She must use some great lotion! Sadly English proficiency was a bit poor, so very little convo, just boom boom, but she gave good head and really was light as a feather. Also gave a pretty good massage! Left after 4 hours, which is apparently what LT means now (was discussed in advance), but I wasn't too annoyed since I was getting sleepy and these days I like to sleep alone. If true overnight is expected, better make it clear from the start.

Tonight, back to The Pimp to see what their "full lineup" looks like. Plan to get four girls for me and my buddy this time, may take one back. Will report. Also May do an Emmanuel trip. Always liked a good soapie.7000 total for 4 hours from Nana! Seriously dude.

Now I got to be careful not to get on your case too much: 1, because you are still recovering from the ladyboy debacle at the hotel (and I genuinely commiserate, but glad that you pulled out of with security), and 2, because I have been getting too many vitriolic responses from grumpy dudes every time I try to suggest that we all keep watch on the money we are throwing at these girls so go go inflation does not get out of control.

Ok, I get that you are loaded and like to show your money off, but it is another case of girls / mamasans / clubs getting too accustomed to outrageous (for Bangkok) prices and so little service.

But in your defense (not that you need it or care about my opinion), great to see that you take solid steps to rid yourself of the LB angst with a couple good Isaan shots! You are an A-type, obviously. So if you are back to the Pimp, at least take a girl home this time dude. Charge on, and don't pay so much! (And in anticipation of the grumpy bastards getting on my case, before you bi*ch at me, explain to me how a 26 yr old Isaan girl from Billboard merits 7 k for 4 hours.).

[Zhangsan]

7000 total for 4 hours from Nana! Seriously dude.

Now I got to be careful not to get on your case too much: 1, because you are still recovering from the ladyboy debacle at the hotel (and I genuinely commiserate, but glad that you pulled out of with security), and 2, because I have been getting too many vitriolic responses from grumpy dudes every time I try to suggest that we all keep watch on the money we are throwing at these girls so go go inflation does not get out of control.

Ok, I get that you are loaded and like to show your money off, but it is another case of girls / mamasans / clubs getting too accustomed to outrageous (for Bangkok) prices and so little service.

But in your defense (not that you need it or care about my opinion), great to see that you take solid steps to rid yourself of the LB angst with a couple good Isaan shots! You are an A-type, obviously. So if you are back to the Pimp, at least take a girl home this time dude. Charge on, and don't pay so much! (And in anticipation of the grumpy bastards getting on my case, before you bi*ch at me, explain to me how a 26 yr old Isaan girl from Billboard merits 7 k for 4 hours.).Honestly bro, I have no defense. You hit it on the head. She absolutely didn't merit that price by industry standards. Just as you said, I was so annoyed by the ladyboy debacle from the previous night, I was kind of in "fuck it" mode. I didn't really care what the price was, I finally saw someone I wanted to fuck, so I fucked her. It was kind of a rebound situation. Normally, yeah, that price would be a no go unless it was a true all nighter. So profuse apologies! But, I don't think I (by myself) impact the market that much. Since I'm Asian American, at most they'll just chalk it up to one more Chinese idiot with more money than sense! Whats that old saying? 3 inches, 3000 baht, 3 minutes hehehe.

I'll have an Emmanuel + second Pimp report later. I just staggered back after my group of six knocked out three bottles of Johnny Walker gold label at The Pimp, and I really need to crash. The amount of typos I had to fix in this very short post was astonishing. Cheers all.

[Aster14]

Recently completed another trip, mid Jan. Early Feb. 7 days in BKK, 8 in Phuket, 4 in Pattaya, 5 in BKK. Too lazy to write separate reports in each thread so I'll just do it here.

BKK: Everything's pretty much back in full swing compared to last year when they first opened with the whole SHA+ thing. Both Nana and Cowboys are as busy as ever. Only barfined once from Bacarra on recommendation but it was a great time. Doki Doki and Kokoro appear to be very busy, highly recommend making reservations, although a bit of a crapshoot given the rotation of girls and general lack of info. Soapy massages are up and running but I didn't partake. Sidelines is even better than last year. Did not get rejected at all for being a foreigner this year compared to about a 3/4 success rate last year. Strong correlation between price and looks, service was good for all girls with a few stand outs. Visited 9 girls ranging from 1 to 5 k base price range, ended up seeing 3 girls multiple times. I found that girls that operated under agencies generally had more photoshopped pictures. Many agencies and independents will send more pictures and location info automatically when you add them on Line, so no harm in doing that if you just want some more info to help with the filtering process.

Phuket: First time. Beautiful place but I wish I had visited when the sandbox first opened and the place wasn't packed with people. Bangla Road was a blast but the prices in gogos were the highest out of any destinations this trip, and I did not barfine as I imported a girl from Bangkok. FWIW I didn't see many stunners anyways. Also did not seek out massages or other FLs. Booked day trips but those were pretty mediocre, will just plan and hire my own long boat next time around.

Pattaya: Same as BKK. Walking Street busy as ever and Beach Road is lined with FLs. I did notice that some gogos did not survive and heard many changed owners. Also noticed that in general the quality of the girls have decreased although still many stunners. Soapy massages are open (Honey 2 and Sabai Dee anyways). Ended up taking 3 FLs priced between 1500 and 2500ST, and one girl for 4500 LT. 1 each from WeChat, Beach Road, and Tantan. All were average. The rest were barfines from gogos, 1 each from Pin-up and Xs (same operation I believe) and 2 from Bacarra. Gogo girls ended up being between 6-9 k for LT including barfine. All were excellent as I worked off of past contacts.

Hotels: Stayed at JW and Sheraton in BKK. First time at the JW, right next to Nana but further from a BTS station. Room, lounge, pool, and service are all pretty good. Sheraton is right next to Asok and Cowboy. Rooms are more old school compared to JW, but still well maintained. No lounge but there are a couple of decent restaurants and bars in building. Pool is ok, service is excellent. No issues with girls at either location. I'm Plat with Marriott, didn't get upgraded at JW, got upgraded to the basic suite at Sheraton, which I was surprised by as it is high season. You may get prioritized if you're a repeat stay as I got a welcome letter specifically mentioning that. No issues with bringing a girl back or having them sent up to my room at either location.

Stayed at Four Points in Phuket, a bit far from Bangla and a bit pricey for what it offers. Rooms are on the small side and they seemed understaffed. I do believe it is girl friendly given past reports from seniors but there were a lot of families when I was present, and you have to bring your date through an open check in area where all of the traffic flows through unless you've got a pool or sea view room in a side building. Did not get upgraded.

Stayed at Hilton in Pattaya. No upgrade this year but the basic room is still excellent for its size and view, although very pricey. No issues with girls, they do check their ID downstairs at the luggage desk.

Apps: Highlight of this trip for me was amateur FLs from Tinder and Insta. It took a lot of effort but produced the best girls of this trip both in terms of looks and service. I had built up contacts from past trips which I was able to capitalize on this time around as many of these girls are back in BKK. Took a while to get the ball rolling but once I was in, these girls talk with each other and they took care of the search for me. All were university students or young professionals with instas with thousands to tens of thousands of followers, and all were exclleent. Took the best girl with me to Phuket and had full GFE for the whole trip, ended up giving her 1 k USD for the 8 days. I didn't negotiate price with any of the other girls but gave 10 k to each for overnights, which all extended into late next days and requests to meet again from all of them. Expensive by BKK standards but I prefer quality over quantity myself. Back in the states for a couple of days now and still getting DMs from girls wanting to meet.

I used WeChat much less this trip. Mostly saw LBs, and from the girls I did talk to, ended up seeing 3. 1 was a gem, 1 was average, and 1 was a dud that I kicked out after 10 minutes. Tantan had a lot higher ratio of FLs to regular girls than Tinder, but most of these seem to be targeting Chinese / Korean / Japanese. I'm Asian American so I got by. Prices for girls off of Tantan were often higher than FLs, in the range of 2000-3500ST and up to 15000 LT. I pulled 2 STs, 1 average and 1 dud, after which I didn't bother. TF ended up more or less being a bust, the quality of girls was way lower than any other app, and the few stunners I did see were unresponsive.

Other observations: Did not get BBFS from many gogo girls but otherwise had a lot of success this year. From talking with the girls it sounds like Thai guys don't like to give oral, and it seems like that combined with the clean tests I brought with me did the trick. Got BBFS with a few girls from fiwfans and all the amateur FLs. Everywhere (except Rawai) was packed with tourists, although not as many East Asians when compared to previous years, and definitely not as many Chinese, although I suspect that will change given the timing and circumstances. Prices are up across the board for everything, from girls, barfines, drinks to hotel, food and Grab. Seems to be a combination of both inflation and rise in demand. No issues with an eSIM on arrival at BKK for those of you with one of the newer phones without a physical SIM. ATMs are still trash with the DCC trap, and it seems like all the Thai banks have added mandatory fees for not using DCC. The Superrich cash exchange outside of Terminal 21 has massive fucking lines every single day, I'd highly highly recommend going to another location. Many of the high end restaurants are booked out by several weeks online, but I was able to get reservations by calling in almost all of the time.

Apologies for the lack of pics, I know those are important when discussing price but I don't have any candids given their position.

[Aster14]

Totally forgot there was a General thread. Admins please move my last report as you see fit.

[Nyezhov]

7000 total for 4 hours from Nana! Seriously dude.

Now I got to be careful not to get on your case too much: 1, because you are still recovering from the ladyboy debacle at the hotel (and I genuinely commiserate, but glad that you pulled out of with security), and 2, because I have been getting too many vitriolic responses from grumpy dudes every time I try to suggest that we all keep watch on the money we are throwing at these girls so go go inflation does not get out of control.

Ok, I get that you are loaded and like to show your money off, but it is another case of girls / mamasans / clubs getting too accustomed to outrageous (for Bangkok) prices and so little service.

But in your defense (not that you need it or care about my opinion), great to see that you take solid steps to rid yourself of the LB angst with a couple good Isaan shots! You are an A-type, obviously. So if you are back to the Pimp, at least take a girl home this time dude. Charge on, and don't pay so much! (And in anticipation of the grumpy bastards getting on my case, before you bi*ch at me, explain to me how a 26 yr old Isaan girl from Billboard merits 7 k for 4 hours.).I've been reading complaints like this about pricing since the internet came into existence. And my response is still the same: my money, my fun.

Sorry guys who can't afford it but if I see what I want, Ill just pay the price. I find negotiation over $30 distasteful.

How a girl from Isaan merits the price: he wanted her. Nuff said.

[HorseTrader]

After I got back to the JW, I was still kinda sore from the flight so wanted a masseuse. Since no one else was up (3 AM), I ordered one from a Chinese Telegram group who said he would send me a mainland Chinese girl. I kinda looked forward to a relaxing massage with happy ending and some good conversation in Chinese. Instead, what I got was a Thai ladyboy who insisted she was Korean, refused to leave when asked, and demanded 80 k (baht while screaming at me. Was genuinely a bit scared. Eventually had to ask security to take her away, and they were as bemused / shocked as I was. Got different keycards from them, tipped the two security guys 1 k baht each because they probably saved me from a heart attack. Now I'm trying to unwind from this crazy end to what was a pleasant evening.


Thanks, me too! I think it's the only time in 10+ years mongering where I've genuinely been uncomfortable. I've heard ladyboys can be aggressive, but damn! Followed inside my room when I told her to wait outside as I was trying to message the Telegram guy to find out if this was a genuine mixup or something, stripped immediately as she got in, then when I told her to please dress she got angry and told me that she came all the way from KTV and she wanted her 80 k. Even after I called for security, she argued half-naked with THREE JW security guards for another 15 minutes in my room before finally leaving. Even the security night manager was in disbelief, joking with me that he had heard of 8 k or even 10 k, but never 80 k and that she had confirmed with him as well that she wanted 80 k, so it wasn't a language issue. As he put it, "not even for 3 k".How did the ladyboy get to your room? Did she look female when you met her in the lobby? Did you approve reception to send her to your room before you saw her?

I usually have the girl give her ID to reception/guard/concierge. When the ID is turned over, take a quick look and inspect for date of birth and sex. True females have IDs that say Miss or Mrs. I'm told that ladyboy IDs say Mr., though I haven't seen one yet.

The last time I had a girl come to my room sight unseen was about 2002 in New Orleans. She turned out to be a real pig, perhaps 30 kg heavier than ideal. Since then, I've met in lobby.

[Rodwint2]

How did the ladyboy get to your room? Did she look female when you met her in the lobby? Did you approve reception to send her to your room before you saw her?

I usually have the girl give her ID to reception/guard/concierge. When the ID is turned over, take a quick look and inspect for date of birth and sex. True females have IDs that say Miss or Mrs. I'm told that ladyboy IDs say Mr., though I haven't seen one yet.

The last time I had a girl come to my room sight unseen was about 2002 in New Orleans. She turned out to be a real pig, perhaps 30 kg heavier than ideal. Since then, I've met in lobby.The best cure is not taking a chance of a screaming ladyboy trying to extort you after a long flight. Two alternatives for anyone the next time in a major hotel in BKK. First, if you don't have a known person who you can call, the best bet is to ask the security supervisor for a recommendation. He might take offense, but more than likely he has a list of preapproved / prescreened girls that you rely on. He may make a small commission from the girl and you should definitely tip him as well.

Second alternative, take a melatonin and go to sleep. A restful night is better than the nightmare that was described here!

[TjBrazil]

As someone that hasn't been to Thailand, how hard is it when sober to not be able to tell it's a ladyboy. I would like to think I could tell but being Asian guys are smaller in general they could spend enough to look like a girl.

[MarcusBus]

Security service completely incompetent, they don't have talk to "her" for 15 minutes in your room, if she refuses to come out, right away, they have to call the police, and at the same time that you could have taken the opportunity to file a complaint against "her" for attempted extortion.

That man / ladyboy you brought back to your room wasn't underage I guess, you did noting wrong or illegal.

[Zhangsan]

How did the ladyboy get to your room? Did she look female when you met her in the lobby? Did you approve reception to send her to your room before you saw her?

I usually have the girl give her ID to reception/guard/concierge. When the ID is turned over, take a quick look and inspect for date of birth and sex. True females have IDs that say Miss or Mrs. I'm told that ladyboy IDs say Mr., though I haven't seen one yet.

The last time I had a girl come to my room sight unseen was about 2002 in New Orleans. She turned out to be a real pig, perhaps 30 kg heavier than ideal. Since then, I've met in lobby.Yeah, I should've done this. What happened was that she was masked and at the elevator entrance right as I went down to get her, so my natural instinct was to just let her on the elevator and chat with her a bit. It was by the time that we had already gotten to my floor that I realized she didn't speak a lick of Chinese, and it was then that things began to go downhill per my report. I just didn't expect her to barge into my room after me, because that's never happened in 10+ years!

[Zhangsan]

Wednesday report from Emmanuel / Pimp:

Emmanuel: The lineup was very small, just eight or so girls total! I was advised that they still have 80-100 working, but that today they were just fully booked! Also was told that the day before (Tuesday) was the total opposite: all the girls were there, but no customers! Still, there were two 7's out of the ones available, so I just picked one of them. Neither of them knew how to do nuru, so it ended up just being a standard soapy, 90 minutes 1 shot. Prices still vary based on the class of the girl, and the one I picked was fairly high, 6200 baht. But, this was the case was years ago as well, so little inflation. Room was fine. Interesting stat - top customers used to be Chinese by far, Japanese at 2, and Thai at 3. Right, Thai are the top customer base at Emmanuel! Looks like the Asians mongers aren’t even close to being back in force yet.

Pimp: Wow! Mamasan wasn't playing when she said they have much higher numbers on Wednesday! Mamasan was determined to make up for Monday, and managed to bring over three lineups of 30 girls each to our couch, then brought over a few stragglers as well. Must've gone through at least a hundred of them, many of them genuinely quite beautiful! It took a long time just to sort through all of them. In the end got four of them, two for me and two for my buddy, and we partied the night away to hours of drinking games and good live music on stage. So yeah. Wednesday girl quality and numbers at 10 PM were shockingly good. Mamasan was also very upfront. With each selection, if the girl was one that normally didn't go back to the hotel, she would let us know right away and we could change our mind if need be.

Pricing I already discussed last time, no updates there, except this time I bought a 20 k for 5 bottles liquor package from them. Staggered out at 2:30 AM with 3 bottles down and 2 left in storage.

Note. As a karaoke fan, I checked out Pimp's karaoke rooms and found them to be disappointing. Rooms themselves were okay at best, but the song machines and sound setup were pretty much, while the Chinese song selection system in particular was terrible. I recommend a pass on the private rooms, especially if karaoke is your thing. I may check out a different gentleman bar to see if there are any truly decent ones.

[AggieDad1]

As someone that hasn't been to Thailand, how hard is it when sober to not be able to tell it's a ladyboy. I would like to think I could tell but being Asian guys are smaller in general they could spend enough to look like a girl.Some ladyboys are easy to spot, but it is still easy to get fooled. You can never be 100% sure, but don't be afraid to ask. Also if she is interested in going back to your room she will not mind you putting your hands between her legs and doing a quick check.

[HorseTrader]

As someone that hasn't been to Thailand, how hard is it when sober to not be able to tell it's a ladyboy. I would like to think I could tell but being Asian guys are smaller in general they could spend enough to look like a girl.


Some ladyboys are easy to spot, but it is still easy to get fooled. You can never be 100% sure, but don't be afraid to ask. Also if she is interested in going back to your room she will not mind you putting your hands between her legs and doing a quick check.It's often not easy upon first glance, study carefully. Easiest tells are voice, Adam's apple, height, and shoulder to hip ratio. More subtle tells are exaggerated female motions (hip swing, hair toss, etc.). Ladyboys often use more aggressive sales pitches than girls. The crotch rub is not foolproof, I once did that and could feel heavy under ware, so I passed. Later a friend told me that ladyboys tuck their junk back to their butt crack so you cannot feel any male parts. If there is a shred of doubt, be sure to ask and say that no money if "she" is a ladyboy in the room.

[SinfullyKorean]

Wednesday report from Emmanuel / Pimp:

Emmanuel: The lineup was very small, just eight or so girls total! I was advised that they still have 80-100 working, but that today they were just fully booked! Also was told that the day before (Tuesday) was the total opposite: all the girls were there, but no customers! Still, there were two 7's out of the ones available, so I just picked one of them. Neither of them knew how to do nuru, so it ended up just being a standard soapy, 90 minutes 1 shot. Prices still vary based on the class of the girl, and the one I picked was fairly high, 6200 baht. But, this was the case was years ago as well, so little inflation. Room was fine. Interesting stat - top customers used to be Chinese by far, Japanese at 2, and Thai at 3. Right, Thai are the top customer base at Emmanuel! Looks like the Asians mongers arent even close to being back in force yet.

Pimp: Wow! Mamasan wasn't playing when she said they have much higher numbers on Wednesday! Mamasan was determined to make up for Monday, and managed to bring over three lineups of 30 girls each to our couch, then brought over a few stragglers as well. Must've gone through at least a hundred of them, many of them genuinely quite beautiful! It took a long time just to sort through all of them. In the end got four of them, two for me and two for my buddy, and we partied the night away to hours of drinking games and good live music on stage. So yeah. Wednesday girl quality and numbers at 10 PM were shockingly good. Mamasan was also very upfront. With each selection, if the girl was one that normally didn't go back to the hotel, she would let us know right away and we could change our mind if need be.

Pricing I already discussed last time, no updates there, except this time I bought a 20 k for 5 bottles liquor package from them. Staggered out at 2:30 AM with 3 bottles down and 2 left in storage.

Note. As a karaoke fan, I checked out Pimp's karaoke rooms and found them to be disappointing. Rooms themselves were okay at best, but the song machines and sound setup were pretty much, while the Chinese song selection system in particular was terrible. I recommend a pass on the private rooms, especially if karaoke is your thing. I may check out a different gentleman bar to see if there are any truly decent ones.Great reports! They're fun to read and very informative and detailed. I'm glad there's not too much of a backlash on you spending so much. Glad to hear you're having fun out there!

I recommend you give FiwFans a try https://fiwfans.com/sideline/406rae5lvkw0xzzk6

[Falcon 95]

Where did you get her? I'm so disappointed in bkk. Struggling after three rip offs.Don't believe that guy ElMexicant. He tells everyone he's Mexican. He's far from it.

[GuyBrusg1957]

Wednesday report from Emmanuel / Pimp
Great report, I guess I shouldn't be surprised most of the girls at The Pimp are working on the side and they are straight up about it. That makes it worth the cost a bit more but how often does that happen?

Have you thought about checking out Black Caviar, La Belle or Poseidon?

[ElMexicant]

Don't believe that guy ElMexicant. He tells everyone he's Mexican. He's far from it.I pound meat tacos every other day.

[Tlito]

I've been reading complaints like this about pricing since the internet came into existence. And my response is still the same: my money, my fun.

Sorry guys who can't afford it but if I see what I want, Ill just pay the price. I find negotiation over $30 distasteful.

How a girl from Isaan merits the price: he wanted her. Nuff said.I agree Mate. If I see a girl I like I pay her usually what she wants. If it is not outrageous.

Good on you Mate.

You are just a bloke out having a good time and trying not to hurt anyone too much. Only thing I have learned is not to tell the punters on this site too much.

Ask a lot of questions but don't ever give advice ok.

[Nyezhov]

As someone that hasn't been to Thailand, how hard is it when sober to not be able to tell it's a ladyboy. I would like to think I could tell but being Asian guys are smaller in general they could spend enough to look like a girl.If you can't spot one in 30 seconds you shouldn't be here.

And lets not play the picture game "Ladyboy or Not? Reality isn't a photo.

[Tlito]

As someone that hasn't been to Thailand, how hard is it when sober to not be able to tell it's a ladyboy. I would like to think I could tell but being Asian guys are smaller in general they could spend enough to look like a girl.It is impossible to tell.

Always ask and sometimes even do a Paul Hogan and have a feel.

Fortunately most of the time you are right and the girls will tell you. I have been many times to Thailand and I always ask every new girl.

The only time I have ever ended up with a lady boy is in Australia.

[Rodwint2]

The comments I get from many locals and tourists seem to all note that there is significant ladyboy presence on Soi 11 recently. Speculation is that there is some thing that has triggered this notable upsurge. One comment came from a local that noted that there has been also a noticeable number of gay men of Caucasian extraction at some bars. The observation was made that the new Jamaican restaurant and bar across from the Citadines 11 hotel appeared to be a gathering place for the gay crowd. The ladyboy parade infront of the bar is noted by its patrons.

On another note, the new restaurant / bar next to the Citadines, Moon Muum, is an open air venue with live music until 3 am Since it is not in an enclosed building, the techno music goes straight to all the near by hotels. Guests at the Citadines 11 and Mecure hotels bear the brunt of the noise and openly complain t0 the management who claims that they cannot do nothing to end this disturbance.

So anyone looking at any hotel for a quiet stay, had better stay away form Soi 11. Between the 6 BMD beer bars at the beginning of the soi, the cannabis vendors, the bad traffic and the flood of lady boys, I believe I will take hard pass on returning to Soi 11.

[Goatscrot]

Don't believe that guy ElMexicant. He tells everyone he's Mexican. He's far from it.Where? My guess. Fiwfans. It's great, but it requires spending a lot of time researching. Can't just go by the looks on the site. Have to read the reviews and join telegram groups where the local dudes post their reviews and pics. Yes, it's all in Thai and you have to translate. Most tourists are not going to take the time and spend the hours it takes to become acquainted with each individual "camp," their particulars, and then read multiple reviews of everyone they are interested in, taking into account that locals are very cryptic with negative comments as they do not want to get blacklisted by agents.Tourists don't come here to sit in their hotel room and spend hours on their computer or phone doing this type of research. It's far more suited to locals and even then one has to be very patient.

And BTW, El Mexicant is a trip. Great guy. And by the moniker can't you tell he's not Mexican? The dude totally gets the scene here and in Patters.

[Pk099]

Great report.

I am looking forward to meet some Insta models in my summer trip to BKK.


Just arrived yesterday (Monday Feb 6), pretty tired but wanted to do some exploring just to see what's up. Things ended up being insane.

Full disclosure. My tastes trend towards the expensive, and I was / am hosting a guest.

Visited Billboard at 11 PM with a friend. Place was packed, no sofas infilled, no tables available. Only bar stools. Lots of girls, fairly decently looking, bought lady drinks for two of them and some others. They wanted us to take back, but we had something else on itinerary, so passed. Total damage, about 2 k baht for four drinks, four lady drinks, and some tips. Reasonable.

Next, went to The Pimp at roughly midnight. Was slightly disappointed because the mamasan was only able to bring out 20 girls. She was a bit apologetic, advised that Mondays were slow and we were kinda late (which was fair). Advised that if we came Wednesday at around 10, she would have 150 girls available. Even so, the average quality was very high, much higher than anywhere else I visited, and I'm picky (Chinese American, very Asian standards). Was able to find a super hot one and an attractive one. Both very slim, early / mid 20's, very good English. Bought a good bottle, played drinking games for almost 2. 5 hours before leaving at 2 AM. I let my friend have the super hot one, and while she initially said she wouldn't go to the hotel (because she had to get up early for her job in finance), she later told my friend that she'the be willing to see him privately. Mine told me she'the be willing to go, but I passed. Girls had wonderful attitudes, and it didn't feel sleazy at all. Plan to go again for a VIP room. Will report back. Was tremendous fun but not for budget sexpats or cheap Charlie's. Total damage was around 16 k baht. 5 k for the bottle (mixers were free), 8 k in sitting fees for the two girls (they only charged us 2 hrs - 3000 for first HR, 1000 for second, which is standard, even though it was more like 2. 5 hrs), 1 k for food, and 2 k for the mamasan.

After I got back to the JW, I was still kinda sore from the flight so wanted a masseuse. Since no one else was up (3 AM), I ordered one from a Chinese Telegram group who said he would send me a mainland Chinese girl. I kinda looked forward to a relaxing massage with happy ending and some good conversation in Chinese. Instead, what I got was a Thai ladyboy who insisted she was Korean, refused to leave when asked, and demanded 80 k (baht while screaming at me. Was genuinely a bit scared. Eventually had to ask security to take her away, and they were as bemused / shocked as I was. Got different keycards from them, tipped the two security guys 1 k baht each because they probably saved me from a heart attack. Now I'm trying to unwind from this crazy end to what was a pleasant evening.

Key takeaways: Nana is doing well, The Pimp is awesome fun if you have a decent wallet and want something that feels classier, and stay the fuck away from telegram.


Recently completed another trip, mid Jan. Early Feb. 7 days in BKK, 8 in Phuket, 4 in Pattaya, 5 in BKK. Too lazy to write separate reports in each thread so I'll just do it here.

BKK: Everything's pretty much back in full swing compared to last year when they first opened with the whole SHA+ thing. Both Nana and Cowboys are as busy as ever. Only barfined once from Bacarra on recommendation but it was a great time. Doki Doki and Kokoro appear to be very busy, highly recommend making reservations, although a bit of a crapshoot given the rotation of girls and general lack of info. Soapy massages are up and running but I didn't partake. Sidelines is even better than last year. Did not get rejected at all for being a foreigner this year compared to about a 3/4 success rate last year. Strong correlation between price and looks, service was good for all girls with a few stand outs. Visited 9 girls ranging from 1 to 5 k base price range, ended up seeing 3 girls multiple times. I found that girls that operated under agencies generally had more photoshopped pictures. Many agencies and independents will send more pictures and location info automatically when you add them on Line, so no harm in doing that if you just want some more info to help with the filtering process.

Phuket: First time. Beautiful place but I wish I had visited when the sandbox first opened and the place wasn't packed with people. Bangla Road was a blast but the prices in gogos were the highest out of any destinations this trip, and I did not barfine as I imported a girl from Bangkok. FWIW I didn't see many stunners anyways. Also did not seek out massages or other FLs. Booked day trips but those were pretty mediocre, will just plan and hire my own long boat next time around.

Pattaya: Same as BKK. Walking Street busy as ever and Beach Road is lined with FLs. I did notice that some gogos did not survive and heard many changed owners. Also noticed that in general the quality of the girls have decreased although still many stunners. Soapy massages are open (Honey 2 and Sabai Dee anyways). Ended up taking 3 FLs priced between 1500 and 2500ST, and one girl for 4500 LT. 1 each from WeChat, Beach Road, and Tantan. All were average. The rest were barfines from gogos, 1 each from Pin-up and Xs (same operation I believe) and 2 from Bacarra. Gogo girls ended up being between 6-9 k for LT including barfine. All were excellent as I worked off of past contacts.

Hotels: Stayed at JW and Sheraton in BKK. First time at the JW, right next to Nana but further from a BTS station. Room, lounge, pool, and service are all pretty good. Sheraton is right next to Asok and Cowboy. Rooms are more old school compared to JW, but still well maintained. No lounge but there are a couple of decent restaurants and bars in building. Pool is ok, service is excellent. No issues with girls at either location. I'm Plat with Marriott, didn't get upgraded at JW, got upgraded to the basic suite at Sheraton, which I was surprised by as it is high season. You may get prioritized if you're a repeat stay as I got a welcome letter specifically mentioning that. No issues with bringing a girl back or having them sent up to my room at either location.

Stayed at Four Points in Phuket, a bit far from Bangla and a bit pricey for what it offers. Rooms are on the small side and they seemed understaffed. I do believe it is girl friendly given past reports from seniors but there were a lot of families when I was present, and you have to bring your date through an open check in area where all of the traffic flows through unless you've got a pool or sea view room in a side building. Did not get upgraded.

Stayed at Hilton in Pattaya. No upgrade this year but the basic room is still excellent for its size and view, although very pricey. No issues with girls, they do check their ID downstairs at the luggage desk.

Apps: Highlight of this trip for me was amateur FLs from Tinder and Insta. It took a lot of effort but produced the best girls of this trip both in terms of looks and service. I had built up contacts from past trips which I was able to capitalize on this time around as many of these girls are back in BKK. Took a while to get the ball rolling but once I was in, these girls talk with each other and they took care of the search for me. All were university students or young professionals with instas with thousands to tens of thousands of followers, and all were exclleent. Took the best girl with me to Phuket and had full GFE for the whole trip, ended up giving her 1 k USD for the 8 days. I didn't negotiate price with any of the other girls but gave 10 k to each for overnights, which all extended into late next days and requests to meet again from all of them. Expensive by BKK standards but I prefer quality over quantity myself. Back in the states for a couple of days now and still getting DMs from girls wanting to meet.

I used WeChat much less this trip. Mostly saw LBs, and from the girls I did talk to, ended up seeing 3. 1 was a gem, 1 was average, and 1 was a dud that I kicked out after 10 minutes. Tantan had a lot higher ratio of FLs to regular girls than Tinder, but most of these seem to be targeting Chinese / Korean / Japanese. I'm Asian American so I got by. Prices for girls off of Tantan were often higher than FLs, in the range of 2000-3500ST and up to 15000 LT. I pulled 2 STs, 1 average and 1 dud, after which I didn't bother. TF ended up more or less being a bust, the quality of girls was way lower than any other app, and the few stunners I did see were unresponsive.

Other observations: Did not get BBFS from many gogo girls but otherwise had a lot of success this year. From talking with the girls it sounds like Thai guys don't like to give oral, and it seems like that combined with the clean tests I brought with me did the trick. Got BBFS with a few girls from fiwfans and all the amateur FLs. Everywhere (except Rawai) was packed with tourists, although not as many East Asians when compared to previous years, and definitely not as many Chinese, although I suspect that will change given the timing and circumstances. Prices are up across the board for everything, from girls, barfines, drinks to hotel, food and Grab. Seems to be a combination of both inflation and rise in demand. No issues with an eSIM on arrival at BKK for those of you with one of the newer phones without a physical SIM. ATMs are still trash with the DCC trap, and it seems like all the Thai banks have added mandatory fees for not using DCC. The Superrich cash exchange outside of Terminal 21 has massive fucking lines every single day, I'd highly highly recommend going to another location. Many of the high end restaurants are booked out by several weeks online, but I was able to get reservations by calling in almost all of the time.

Apologies for the lack of pics, I know those are important when discussing price but I don't have any candids given their position.

[Volterra]

Honestly bro, I have no defense. You hit it on the head. She absolutely didn't merit that price by industry standards. Just as you said, I was so annoyed by the ladyboy debacle from the previous night, I was kind of in "fuck it" mode. I didn't really care what the price was, I finally saw someone I wanted to fuck, so I fucked her. It was kind of a rebound situation. Normally, yeah, that price would be a no go unless it was a true all nighter. So profuse apologies! But, I don't think I (by myself) impact the market that much. Since I'm Asian American, at most they'll just chalk it up to one more Chinese idiot with more money than sense! Whats that old saying? 3 inches, 3000 baht, 3 minutes hehehe.

I'll have an Emmanuel + second Pimp report later. I just staggered back after my group of six knocked out three bottles of Johnny Walker gold label at The Pimp, and I really need to crash. The amount of typos I had to fix in this very short post was astonishing. Cheers all.I hear you, man. You are a model for getting back out and getting back on track. (You can see other reports around where guys really have a hard time recovering from bad experiences with LBs, bait and switch, swindlers and the like. Best thing is just get straight back to it.) Had to do the same thing recently myself in Philippines after LB debacle. Went straight back out the next night and all was forgotten with a lovely lady back in the room to help me get him / her out of my heart.

Saw your other report about the Pimp. You tanked up on Johnny Walker and 4 girls at your table, but did you take either of your girls back to hotel? Sounds like they were the real stunners.

Thanks for the reports dude.

[Volterra]

I've been reading complaints like this about pricing since the internet came into existence. And my response is still the same: my money, my fun.

Sorry guys who can't afford it but if I see what I want, Ill just pay the price. I find negotiation over $30 distasteful.

How a girl from Isaan merits the price: he wanted her. Nuff said.Nuff not said.

Like you, I am getting accustomed to the responses from fellow gents (many who are almost as grumpy as me) suggesting that there is something "normal" about the price situation in SE Asia now. And my response is still the same: my report, my admonition.

I am not sure if you have noticed, Nyezhov, but there is a correlation between rising prices, lowering service, negative girl / mama attitudes, and withering fun. We just saw one report about one Nana place that would not even let the dude look through the curtain without first buying a drink. F*cking BS!

And LT now limited to 4 hours! Last month in Nana, one mamasan told me LT had to be back by 2 am, and it was already f*cking 10:30! I exercised my power of self-determination and walked, not because I cannot afford it but because the freaking audacious attitudes are defeating the whole purpose.

If we want to talk about distasteful, then I think we would need to confess on a different moral level that the whole thing could be viewed as distasteful. (I am not suggesting we do. I am fully a part of this and enjoying it after decades of being bashed around by f*eminists and chastised for having a horny libido.).

The word "distasteful" has been appearing in my mind through my mongering trips over the past year as try to find examples of price rises in Thai / Phil / Camb supermarkets, hotels, restaurants, salaries or anything that could come close to the prices on demand at Cowboy, Nana, Walking Streets (Pattaya / AC) LK Metro, Streets 130/136 (PP). And all the swindling, deception, and abusive shit being thrown at customers in these places now is plenty distasteful to me. (F*ck don't even get me started on the Pattaya gogo bars. Guaranteed to tempt you with tons of eye candy that you can spend shitloads of money on for LDs but won't go home with you.).

And you do not regard Zhangsan's LB who demanded 80 k to be just a little bit distasteful?

It is your money, Zhangsan's money, and my money, and we can all do whatever we want with it. But there are obviously plenty of dudes on this site who recognize that a good thing is starting to slip away in front of our very eyes. $30 difference (7000 baht) on 6000 baht is almost 15%. And 6000 baht is already pushed up from 5000 in the very recent past (I speak of my August 2022 trip), and that was freaking ridiculous.

I know you are right (and I have had to admit this on other SE Asian forums) that we are not going to band together to control prices. But it is not because there is no connection between how you choose to spend your money and go go inflation. There is more than an obvious connection.

I may be able to afford it too, but if I were only interested in making my own choices without giving a f*ck about where this is all going, I don't think I would waste my time on the forums. I want to have fun, but weighing up my last 2 trips there since August, I'm not sure that Thailand is much fun anymore (quality vs quantity).

I made my first Pattaya and Bangkok punts in the mid 80's, before the internet came into existence, and there is no doubt in my mind that things are really turning south. (I am not just reminiscing about the "good ole days". I have never stopped pursuing my hedonistic instincts.) Very much alive in 2023, I am making my summer plans now, and Thailand is falling lower on the list.

Maybe I'll just stay in Cali and pay $280/ HR for a hot Korean chick with exquisite service in San Jose before hiking in the redwoods or surfing the SoCal waves.

[Nyezhov]

Nuff not said.

Like you, I am getting accustomed to the responses from fellow gents (many who are almost as grumpy as me) suggesting that there is something "normal" about the price situation in SE Asia now. And my response is still the same: my report, my admonition.

I am not sure if you have noticed, Nyezhov, but there is a correlation between rising prices, lowering service, negative girl / mama attitudes, and withering fun. We just saw one report about one Nana place that would not even let the dude look through the curtain without first buying a drink. F*cking BS!

And LT now limited to 4 hours! Last month in Nana, one mamasan told me LT had to be back by 2 am, and it was already f*cking 10:30! I exercised my power of self-determination and walked, not because I cannot afford it but because the freaking audacious attitudes are defeating the whole purpose.

If we want to talk about distasteful, then I think we would need to confess on a different moral level that the whole thing could be viewed as distasteful. (I am not suggesting we do. I am fully a part of this and enjoying it after decades of being bashed around by f*eminists and chastised for having a horny libido.).

The word "distasteful" has been appearing in my mind through my mongering trips over the past year as try to find examples of price rises in Thai / Phil / Camb supermarkets, hotels, restaurants, salaries or anything that could come close to the prices on demand at Cowboy, Nana, Walking Streets (Pattaya / AC) LK Metro, Streets 130/136 (PP). And all the swindling, deception, and abusive shit being thrown at customers in these places now is plenty distasteful to me. (F*ck don't even get me started on the Pattaya gogo bars. Guaranteed to tempt you with tons of eye candy that you can spend shitloads of money on for LDs but won't go home with you.).

And you do not regard Zhangsan's LB who demanded 80 k to be just a little bit distasteful?

It is your money, Zhangsan's money, and my money, and we can all do whatever we want with it. But there are obviously plenty of dudes on this site who recognize that a good thing is starting to slip away in front of our very eyes. $30 difference (7000 baht) on 6000 baht is almost 15%. And 6000 baht is already pushed up from 5000 in the very recent past (I speak of my August 2022 trip), and that was freaking ridiculous.

I know you are right (and I have had to admit this on other SE Asian forums) that we are not going to band together to control prices. But it is not because there is no connection between how you choose to spend your money and go go inflation. There is more than an obvious connection.

I may be able to afford it too, but if I were only interested in making my own choices without giving a f*ck about where this is all going, I don't think I would waste my time on the forums. I want to have fun, but weighing up my last 2 trips there since August, I'm not sure that Thailand is much fun anymore (quality vs quantity).

I made my first Pattaya and Bangkok punts in the mid 80's, before the internet came into existence, and there is no doubt in my mind that things are really turning south. (I am not just reminiscing about the "good ole days". I have never stopped pursuing my hedonistic instincts.) Very much alive in 2023, I am making my summer plans now, and Thailand is falling lower on the list.

Maybe I'll just stay in Cali and pay $280/ HR for a hot Korean chick with exquisite service in San Jose before hiking in the redwoods or surfing the SoCal waves.I don't understand your point. I'm personally am having as much fun as I ever had. I alwys get great service. I love Bangkok. Prices are up on everything, everywhere. So?

If you think Cali is better than by all means.

[TwilightZoner]

Nuff not said.

Like you, I am getting accustomed to the responses from fellow gents (many who are almost as grumpy as me) suggesting that there is something "normal" about the price situation in SE Asia now. And my response is still the same: my report, my admonition.

I am not sure if you have noticed, Nyezhov, but there is a correlation between rising prices, lowering service, negative girl / mama attitudes, and withering fun. We just saw one report about one Nana place that would not even let the dude look through the curtain without first buying a drink. F*cking BS!

And LT now limited to 4 hours! Last month in Nana, one mamasan told me LT had to be back by 2 am, and it was already f*cking 10:30! I exercised my power of self-determination and walked, not because I cannot afford it but because the freaking audacious attitudes are defeating the whole purpose.

If we want to talk about distasteful, then I think we would need to confess on a different moral level that the whole thing could be viewed as distasteful. (I am not suggesting we do. I am fully a part of this and enjoying it after decades of being bashed around by f*eminists and chastised for having a horny libido.).

The word "distasteful" has been appearing in my mind through my mongering trips over the past year as try to find examples of price rises in Thai / Phil / Camb supermarkets, hotels, restaurants, salaries or anything that could come close to the prices on demand at Cowboy, Nana, Walking Streets (Pattaya / AC) LK Metro, Streets 130/136 (PP). And all the swindling, deception, and abusive shit being thrown at customers in these places now is plenty distasteful to me. (F*ck don't even get me started on the Pattaya gogo bars. Guaranteed to tempt you with tons of eye candy that you can spend shitloads of money on for LDs but won't go home with you.).

And you do not regard Zhangsan's LB who demanded 80 k to be just a little bit distasteful?

It is your money, Zhangsan's money, and my money, and we can all do whatever we want with it. But there are obviously plenty of dudes on this site who recognize that a good thing is starting to slip away in front of our very eyes. $30 difference (7000 baht) on 6000 baht is almost 15%. And 6000 baht is already pushed up from 5000 in the very recent past (I speak of my August 2022 trip), and that was freaking ridiculous.

I know you are right (and I have had to admit this on other SE Asian forums) that we are not going to band together to control prices. But it is not because there is no connection between how you choose to spend your money and go go inflation. There is more than an obvious connection.

I may be able to afford it too, but if I were only interested in making my own choices without giving a f*ck about where this is all going, I don't think I would waste my time on the forums. I want to have fun, but weighing up my last 2 trips there since August, I'm not sure that Thailand is much fun anymore (quality vs quantity).

I made my first Pattaya and Bangkok punts in the mid 80's, before the internet came into existence, and there is no doubt in my mind that things are really turning south. (I am not just reminiscing about the "good ole days". I have never stopped pursuing my hedonistic instincts.) Very much alive in 2023, I am making my summer plans now, and Thailand is falling lower on the list.

Maybe I'll just stay in Cali and pay $280/ HR for a hot Korean chick with exquisite service in San Jose before hiking in the redwoods or surfing the SoCal waves.Damn, I hope things don't get TOO bad or expensive! Have already booked to return to Bangkok later in the year!

[TKOman]

I will stay in the Ashton Silom in a week's time, and I'm wondering if the area has a happy ending massage scene to speak of. I like the (many) massage shops available on Suk 22, for example. Streetview doesn't indicate there's much action on Silom though.

[GuyBrusg1957]

Recently completed another trip, mid Jan. Early Feb. 7 days in BKK, 8 in Phuket, 4 in Pattaya, 5 in BKK. Too lazy to write separate reports in each thread so I'll just do it here.
ion.Great report. How exactly did you use all these apps? May you go into more detail?

Kind of surprised that Phuket has poor options now.

[Goatscrot]

Nuff not said.

Like you, I am getting accustomed to the responses from fellow gents (many who are almost as grumpy as me) suggesting that there is something "normal" about the price situation in SE Asia now. And my response is still the same: my report, my admonition.

I am not sure if you have noticed, Nyezhov, but there is a correlation between rising prices, lowering service, negative girl / mama attitudes, and withering fun. We just saw one report about one Nana place that would not even let the dude look through the curtain without first buying a drink. F*cking BS!

And LT now limited to 4 hours! Last month in Nana, one mamasan told me LT had to be back by 2 am, and it was already f*cking 10:30! I exercised my power of self-determination and walked, not because I cannot afford it but because the freaking audacious attitudes are defeating the whole purpose.

If we want to talk about distasteful, then I think we would need to confess on a different moral level that the whole thing could be viewed as distasteful. (I am not suggesting we do. I am fully a part of this and enjoying it after decades of being bashed around by f*eminists and chastised for having a horny libido.).

The word "distasteful" has been appearing in my mind through my mongering trips over the past year as try to find examples of price rises in Thai / Phil / Camb supermarkets, hotels, restaurants, salaries or anything that could come close to the prices on demand at Cowboy, Nana, Walking Streets (Pattaya / AC) LK Metro, Streets 130/136 (PP). And all the swindling, deception, and abusive shit being thrown at customers in these places now is plenty distasteful to me. (F*ck don't even get me started on the Pattaya gogo bars. Guaranteed to tempt you with tons of eye candy that you can spend shitloads of money on for LDs but won't go home with you.).

And you do not regard Zhangsan's LB who demanded 80 k to be just a little bit distasteful?

It is your money, Zhangsan's money, and my money, and we can all do whatever we want with it. But there are obviously plenty of dudes on this site who recognize that a good thing is starting to slip away in front of our very eyes. $30 difference (7000 baht) on 6000 baht is almost 15%. And 6000 baht is already pushed up from 5000 in the very recent past (I speak of my August 2022 trip), and that was freaking ridiculous.

I know you are right (and I have had to admit this on other SE Asian forums) that we are not going to band together to control prices. But it is not because there is no connection between how you choose to spend your money and go go inflation. There is more than an obvious connection.

I may be able to afford it too, but if I were only interested in making my own choices without giving a f*ck about where this is all going, I don't think I would waste my time on the forums. I want to have fun, but weighing up my last 2 trips there since August, I'm not sure that Thailand is much fun anymore (quality vs quantity).

I made my first Pattaya and Bangkok punts in the mid 80's, before the internet came into existence, and there is no doubt in my mind that things are really turning south. (I am not just reminiscing about the "good ole days". I have never stopped pursuing my hedonistic instincts.) Very much alive in 2023, I am making my summer plans now, and Thailand is falling lower on the list.

Maybe I'll just stay in Cali and pay $280/ HR for a hot Korean chick with exquisite service in San Jose before hiking in the redwoods or surfing the SoCal waves.Could not agree more. And look at what the local punters are paying online using sites like fiwfans. Way less than go-gos and less than places like Doki-Doki.Yes, places like The Pimp are mainly for local men but that's less about getting laid and more about "face," sitting with a pretty girl, and shopping for a mia noi. The majority of those girls are looking for sponsors. Places like this existed two decades ago.

In the 20 plus years I've been living in Thailand the change in demographics among punters in the Go-Go bars has been huge. When I moved here 90% of the men in the bars were western, and that is no longer the case. Western dudes and Asian dudes want different things. And the market is now catering to the Asian man as he is the majority. And why not? Not catering to your majority is nuts.

I certainly agree that as prices have gone up service has gone down. The gals will do whatever they can get away with. Overall I would say that Western men are more demanding. So you really can't blame the girls for going after the easier money. When it comes to the local online scene there are quite a few girls who only want to go with Thai men. This is normally expressed in their posting a size limit.

[TjBrazil]

Anyone familiar with LEO Longevitys death in Thailand. He was a bodybuilder guy who lived with Tony Huge.

[Tomasb]

Hate to bust your balloon dimwit but gay men are not interested in Ladyboys. Full stop. Most of the men pulling LB's are hetero but like to take a "walk on the wild side from time to time or for some are on indefinite leave from the fairer sex. If gays did read this app they would laughing hysterically at you.


The comments I get from many locals and tourists seem to all note that there is significant ladyboy presence on Soi 11 recently. Speculation is that there is some thing that has triggered this notable upsurge. One comment came from a local that noted that there has been also a noticeable number of gay men of Caucasian extraction at some bars. The observation was made that the new Jamaican restaurant and bar across from the Citadines 11 hotel appeared to be a gathering place for the gay crowd. The ladyboy parade infront of the bar is noted by its patrons.

On another note, the new restaurant / bar next to the Citadines, Moon Muum, is an open air venue with live music until 3 am Since it is not in an enclosed building, the techno music goes straight to all the near by hotels. Guests at the Citadines 11 and Mecure hotels bear the brunt of the noise and openly complain t0 the management who claims that they cannot do nothing to end this disturbance.

So anyone looking at any hotel for a quiet stay, had better stay away form Soi 11. Between the 6 BMD beer bars at the beginning of the soi, the cannabis vendors, the bad traffic and the flood of lady boys, I believe I will take hard pass on returning to Soi 11.

[Cusland]

Hate to bust your balloon dimwit but gay men are not interested in Ladyboys. Full stop. Most of the men pulling LB's are hetero but like to take a "walk on the wild side from time to time or for some are on indefinite leave from the fairer sex. If gays did read this app they would laughing hysterically at you.A ladyboy is man. Men who sleep with other men are gay. Nothing to be ashamed of.

[Aster14]

Great report. How exactly did you use all these apps? May you go into more detail?

Kind of surprised that Phuket has poor options now.For Tinder, I didn't treat any matches as FLs and played the usual game. Made sure to show that I was going to be in town for a while and just looking for something short term and casual. Never brought up the topic of ST / LT directly but many girls were straight forward with it. For those who were not I'm usually able to figure out if theyd be opened to a pay per meet set up through their pictures and responses. A lot of these girls have or will give their instagram which helps with the process. I did end up taking 2 girls out on regular dates and all of them were happy with the "financial assistance" after staying the night. It is very time consuming but honestly for me it's part of the fun.

Same process with Tantan but many more obvious FLs so I never really had to play the game. If they provide their Line or WeChat it's going to be a FL 9/10 times. However there's a lot more catfishing and photoshop on Tantan, pretty obvious to tell. I didn't pull any girls unless they had instagrams or would be willing to do FaceTime / meet in person.

WeChat has a people nearby feature. It is packed with ladyboys. I have pulled gems from this in the past but not worthwhile these days imo. Did see a lot of stunners when I went to clubs and bars in Ekkamai with dates so maybe you'd have more success if you're in that part of town.

FWIW, I never cold DMd girls on IG. Most of these are not full time FLs and are more the casual sex / fwb / sugar baby types. Many would be offended if you treated them like a FL with the ST/LT, what do you do, or do you want to meet kind of questions. Ive seen some of their IGs and they literally have thousands of cold DMs from guys. Getting an introduction and attracting their attention is a much better way of getting your foot in the door imo.

[Aster14]

Some pics.

[Zam007]

So, I casually strolled into Thermae bar around 8 pm and I found a few good looking chicks. I only talked to the ones who smiled at me. I found someone I liked but I had already busted by nut thrice today so I just didn't want to tire myself. I have a bang tomorrow.

So, I got this girl's line ID and we started chatting.

I ask her how much she expects and she replies it's up to me. I don't want to underpay her or overpay her.

I would like to know how much is the appropriate payment for short or long time?

[Kirsia123]

Fellow mongers,

I have picked up a few FL at the Insanity nightclub in the past. From what I have been told, Insanity is now closed.

Which nightclubs do you currently recommend to pick up FL? Ideally similar to what Insanity used to be. I have done some take outs from Thermae and it is not close to Insanity IMHO. Any advice would be highly appreciated.

/ Kirsia.

[Lcale1982]

So, I casually strolled into Thermae bar around 8 pm and I found a few good looking chicks. I only talked to the ones who smiled at me. I found someone I liked but I had already busted by nut thrice today so I just didn't want to tire myself. I have a bang tomorrow.

So, I got this girl's line ID and we started chatting.

I ask her how much she expects and she replies it's up to me. I don't want to underpay her or overpay her.

I would like to know how much is the appropriate payment for short or long time?Nice I've been there quite a few times this year and mostly got quoted 3 k. A few said 2500. One said 4500, from what I learned, they'll just saying a higher rate when they don't really want to go with you instead of just saying No to you. So I'd suggest 2500 and maybe some tip if you really like her service.

[Zam007]

Nice I've been there quite a few times this year and mostly got quoted 3 k. A few said 2500. One said 4500, from what I learned, they'll just saying a higher rate when they don't really want to go with you instead of just saying No to you. So I'd suggest 2500 and maybe some tip if you really like her service.Thank you.

[Pulse0101]

A quick post on my experience in late Jan:

Soi Cowboy: Buzzing, great vibe. Quality of the girls has improved substantially (imo) but quite a few Coyotes. ST quotes were all in the 3-4 K range. LD rates have gone up from my last visit. Spent a fair amount of time in Suzy, Baccarat, Krazy Kong. Lot of drinks bought but BF'ed from KK. Good time as I didn't have high expectations.

Managed to hit a BJ bar I hadn't been to the next morning. Duangporn's Haven. Went with a chubby girl who was next up in the turn list, turned out it was her first day on the job. She was gagging but was a trooper. Loved the experience and she had a super beautiful face. Can't really recommend based on this one experience.

Cheers / Pulse.

[Banana Boi]

I would like to know how much is the appropriate payment for short or long time?2500 if you want to be fair. That's been the Thermae rate for years. If she's one of the top lookers there and she performed well 3000 is fair but that's up to you. I haven't heard up to you from a girl in years. Curious to see if up to you is really up to you after you bang her.

[Tomasb]

So in other words, based on your reporting that Soi 11 has seen an influx of "gay men" presumably looking to pick up LB's that you can tell or others can determine that these guys are gay based on what exactly? The way they dress, or comb their air, or mannerisms, or do they walk on Soi 11 like they are tiptoeing through the tulips? Once again, your comments and / or observations are absurd.


A ladyboy is man. Men who sleep with other men are gay. Nothing to be ashamed of.

[Cha Chumplin]

A quick post on my experience in late Jan:

Soi Cowboy: Buzzing, great vibe. Quality of the girls has improved substantially (imo) but quite a few Coyotes. ST quotes were all in the 3-4 K range. LD rates have gone up from my last visit. Spent a fair amount of time in Suzy, Baccarat, Krazy Kong. Lot of drinks bought but BF'ed from KK. Good time as I didn't have high expectations.

Managed to hit a BJ bar I hadn't been to the next morning. Duangporn's Haven. Went with a chubby girl who was next up in the turn list, turned out it was her first day on the job. She was gagging but was a trooper. Loved the experience and she had a super beautiful face. Can't really recommend based on this one experience.

Cheers / Pulse.I got 4 months in Thailand, sans 1 border trip to SIN or Vietnam.

Can someone convince me to allocate one night to Soi Cowboy. . no offense SiR.

[Cha Chumplin]

So, I casually strolled into Thermae bar around 8 pm and I found a few good looking chicks. I only talked to the ones who smiled at me. I found someone I liked but I had already busted by nut thrice today so I just didn't want to tire myself. I have a bang tomorrow.

So, I got this girl's line ID and we started chatting.

I ask her how much she expects and she replies it's up to me. I don't want to underpay her or overpay her.

I would like to know how much is the appropriate payment for short or long time?It's really not up to you.

[Zhangsan]

Great reports! They're fun to read and very informative and detailed. I'm glad there's not too much of a backlash on you spending so much. Glad to hear you're having fun out there!

I recommend you give FiwFans a try https://fiwfans.com/sideline/406rae5lvkw0xzzk6FiwFans is something I've toyed with a bit, but I've read a few stories on the site that suggest on quite a few occasions, the girls might not even bother / have a chance to change sheets between customers. Even the possibility of that is something that is a major turnoff for me. I've translated the site and checked out quite a few profiles, and virtually every single girl notes that she's only willing to work at her place and doesn't do outcall, so thus far I haven't bothered with it.


Great report, I guess I shouldn't be surprised most of the girls at The Pimp are working on the side and they are straight up about it. That makes it worth the cost a bit more but how often does that happen?

Have you thought about checking out Black Caviar, La Belle or Poseidon?Yes. I'll be back in a few days and mean to check out those three places!


Saw your other report about the Pimp. You tanked up on Johnny Walker and 4 girls at your table, but did you take either of your girls back to hotel? Sounds like they were the real stunners.Nope, for two reasons. One, to be frank, when I'm piss-drunk I'm the type that tends to just want to pass out and sleep, haha. Second, the colleague I went to the Pimp with knows that I'm married. While I don't think he'd ever say anything, I maintain tight opsec as a general policy. I got LINE's, am in contact, and intend to call'm out when I'm back in town.

[Gladiator69]

Every girl I chatted with in Themae back in November quoted me 3 K for ST. You should also ask what kind of service you are getting. Is it CBJ or BBBJ, etc.


It's really not up to you.

[Cha Chumplin]

Rainbow 5 on Valentine's day was a Massacre. Ready to go in at 930 pm. Had just 6 dancers in one stage and 2 on the other.

Millions upon millions of tourists say Tourist Authority. Most must be bypassing Nana and heading to the Temples.

P.S. Those Soi 4 frontage open air bars weren't all that busy either.

Has Nana become a Weekend hotspot. Sure looks like it.

[Goatscrot]

FiwFans is something I've toyed with a bit, but I've read a few stories on the site that suggest on quite a few occasions, the girls might not even bother / have a chance to change sheets between customers. Even the possibility of that is something that is a major turnoff for me. I've translated the site and checked out quite a few profiles, and virtually every single girl notes that she's only willing to work at her place and doesn't do outcall, so thus far I haven't bothered with it..Considering where these gals mouths, hands, and nether regions have been, and most multiple times per day, and the fact we have no idea about their personal hygiene standards, the sheets should probably be the least of your worries. Whether Fiwfans, Go-Gos, FLs, soapies, oilies, etc, it's all a risk. I DFK, DATY, and rim with abandon. I don't BBFS but everything else is full on. The risk is an unfortunate but real part of the hobby. And I've never picked up any skin issue from sheets and I've been in some pretty hardcore brothels in my time.

So, I'd advise you to not worry about it and give Fiwfans a try.

[Zam007]

Every girl I chatted with in Themae back in November quoted me 3 K for ST. You should also ask what kind of service you are getting. Is it CBJ or BBBJ, etc.That's nice to know.

Unfortunately, that girl flaked. Not a big deal.

I found a few nice looking girls in MPs near where I stay.

A report on that coming up soon.

[Nyezhov]

Thermae: I am always quoted 2-2500 B ST. There was a great selection on Tuesday evening. However, Thermae peak is now before 11 as all the hotties are gone before then.

I know at least 5 girls there who have been there for 5 years or so. One of them is actually hotter now that she is older.

Billboard: Great lineup but packed with punters. Get there early (I didn't unfortunately).

Twister: LOads of heavily tatted slinky wild acting silicone bimbos. I was immediately provided a puffy lipped baseball titted Sisaket princess for my viewing pleasure. Quoted 3 k ST. Lady drinks B205.

Rainbows: Little talent at midnightish.

Nana street girls were awful, especially the real girls. Soi 11 was hopping but I didn't venture down. Same with Beer Bar Soi.

The Arab selling weed on the corner of Soi Arab has Moon Rocks for those of you who like those. Same as US price $20/ g and excellent quality and very kiefy.

[Cha Chumplin]

Rainbow s were back to some semblance of activity on Wednesday.

I guess Valentine's day was to be Celebrated with their Thai boyfriend's. Arent they rated like Best Lovers or something. Hahaha.

[GuyBrusg1957]

Yes. I'll be back in a few days and mean to check out those three places!
Awesome, I hope things work out. Do you or does anyone else have suggestions for Thai Nightlife Social Media? Many of the blogs are now super out of date, dead or obviously fake, is there anything else to look at aside stuff on KapooClub, Telegram and Line Groups? Or other sites like Raknoi?

[Falcon 95]

Thermae girls do not give blowjobs. You cannot even kiss them. You will be very lucky if the girl gives you a CBJ. But a BBBJ is out of the question. If you find one otherwise, then let us know. We will make her rich. Or I will try to make her rich.

[Lcale1982]

Thermae girls do not give blowjobs. You cannot even kiss them. You will be very lucky if the girl gives you a CBJ. But a BBBJ is out of the question. If you find one otherwise, then let us know. We will make her rich. Or I will try to make her rich.I tried a few Thermae ladies and they all gave BJ, but most of them were CBJ. You just need to figure out the details (I didn't have too guess I was lucky) before you take her with you. But yea the normal Thermae ladies was no kissing and I only got CBJ. This one lady I saw used to work at MP so she's a professional and not a typical Thermae lady. You can see her at the 9 min mark. She gave nice BBBJ and only visit from all the thai ladies i saw that did some BLS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwok19fzIgc&t=540s

[Axel Heyst]

Thermae girls do not give blowjobs. You cannot even kiss them. You will be very lucky if the girl gives you a CBJ. But a BBBJ is out of the question. If you find one otherwise, then let us know. We will make her rich. Or I will try to make her rich.
I tried a few Thermae ladies and they all gave BJ, but most of them were CBJ. You just need to figure out the details (I didn't have too guess I was lucky) before you take her with you. But yea the normal Thermae ladies was no kissing and I only got CBJ. This one lady I saw used to work at MP so she's a professional and not a typical Thermae lady. You can see her at the 9 min mark. She gave nice BBBJ and only visit from all the thai ladies i saw that did some BLS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwok19fzIgc&t=540sDFK or BBBJ's with a friendly attitude should be the default with all pro Thai girls. Why go to Thermae if it is as bad as you guys report.

[Bubba999]

Fellow mongers,

I have picked up a few FL at the Insanity nightclub in the past. From what I have been told, Insanity is now closed.

Which nightclubs do you currently recommend to pick up FL? Ideally similar to what Insanity used to be. I have done some take outs from Thermae and it is not close to Insanity IMHO. Any advice would be highly appreciated.

/ Kirsia.Levels always has plenty of FL but in my experience it's a harder than Insanity was to pick up a younger girl. Insanity I always found someone in the 20-27 range. But I strike out in Levels 30% of the time. Others may have info on other places.

[NaughtyVik]

Can anyone confirm if the Russian / Uzbek girls are back in BKK? I was there last in July '22 and they were not there. I wonder whether the scene has improved since.

Old haunts like Bossy and CM2 (below Novotel Siam Square) have long closed. Mixx is very moody / weird about allowing entrance. Under these circumstances, a sure shot club for these girls has been Shock 39, near Makkasan station. I wonder whether it has opened now (it was closed when I went last). Does anyone have any info?

They were missing at Grace Hotel too, which is usually a hotspot for these girls, especially after they finish their club-hopping sojourns. The Arab areas in the vicinity, all the way up to Soi 11 also proved futile on this front. Some folks I met discouraged me from going to Pattaya for them, so I didn't. Otherwise, they are easy to find in Nasha and some of the other clubs there.

Dubai on the other hand has been teeming with these girls for quite a while now. I am wondering which direction to go for them, although I am always inclined toward BKK for a variety of reasons.

[TConor]

I tried a few Thermae ladies and they all gave BJ, but most of them were CBJ. You just need to figure out the details (I didn't have too guess I was lucky) before you take her with you. But yea the normal Thermae ladies was no kissing and I only got CBJ. This one lady I saw used to work at MP so she's a professional and not a typical Thermae lady. You can see her at the 9 min mark. She gave nice BBBJ and only visit from all the thai ladies i saw that did some BLS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwok19fzIgc&t=540sAnd the quality of the looks, I would avoid the whole Thermae experience. MHO.

[Falcon 95]

DFK or BBBJ's with a friendly attitude should be the default with all pro Thai girls. Why go to Thermae if it is as bad as you guys report.These days, I just go to Thermae to have a beer and for the eye candy. I do a few rounds and make some eye contact with the ladies. When my beer is finished, I leave. I do not give them what they want.

P.S. If you use the toilet in Thermae upstairs? (I forget) Do NOT pay the crazy woman 20 Baht. She has no business being there. The toilet is not hers. She is charging you for using her toiletries like tissues and sanitizers. It's another Thailand scam. So do your thing and wash your hands and leave. If she says 20 Baht, then ignore her or tell her to fuck off. She will try hard to get you to use her tissues so that she can charge you 20 Baht. So just ignore her and leave. You will leave with wet hands, but you will save 20 Baht.

[Banana Boi]

Thermae girls do not give blowjobs. You cannot even kiss them

Don't recall a Thermae girl who I didn't DFK. Maybe one I may have forgotten. Helps that we share 50 mints while we shower together. Yes I have had some who try to skip BJ altogether until you remind them. Then they will oblige. BBBJ is 50/50 but if you want to be certain about BBBJ just ask before you take a girl.

It is true though some guys fail miserably at Thermae. It's not for everyone. Maybe it helps because I can speak some Thai.

[GrapeMan]

Thermae girls do not give blowjobs. You cannot even kiss them. You will be very lucky if the girl gives you a CBJ. But a BBBJ is out of the question. If you find one otherwise, then let us know. We will make her rich. Or I will try to make her rich.Just tell them what's up before giving them money. Thermae girls aren't some magic thing, they're FLs that just are down in the bar right then instead of on the street. You can get whatever you want from a FL, they are just more varied in what they offer than MP girls. Money solves all problems, and its often, it doesn't take much. But just some discussion can solve the problem too some of the time. Never forget these people are simply sex workers, treat them like a sex worker. Not mean, not bad, but don't for a second forget what's happening is an exchange of cash for sex, and despite poor business skills of these girls, they want that money as much or more than you want sex.

[Nyezhov]

Don't recall a Thermae girl who I didn't DFK. Maybe one I may have forgotten. Helps that we share 50 mints while we shower together. Yes I have had some who try to skip BJ altogether until you remind them. Then they will oblige. BBBJ is 50/50 but if you want to be certain about BBBJ just ask before you take a girl.

It is true though some guys fail miserably at Thermae. It's not for everyone. Maybe it helps because I can speak some Thai.I get everything I want from any girl I want in Thermae. But its not, as BB says, for everyone. Reading the reports, its guys who have made multiple trips or live here who do the best.

I don't speak Thai worth a hoot, but I know how to work a place I have been going to for 20 years. And yes, I tip the tissue lady in the bathroom. 20 baht is 70 centsish. And I tip the staff, and greet every one of those old guys who have been there for years, and smile at the girls and even take one when the mood hits me so that the guys get their share.

And I don't negotiate over $15.

And as a result, its like going to my local back in the world.

[Expat American]

Thermae girls do not give blowjobs. You cannot even kiss them. You will be very lucky if the girl gives you a CBJ. But a BBBJ is out of the question. If you find one otherwise, then let us know. We will make her rich. Or I will try to make her rich.Wow, really? Fuck that shit. In Singapore I have my pick of Thermae quality girls who give a full 90 min including BBBJ, CIM, DFK for about 3500 Baht without getting on a plane, paying for hotels etc. If you are okay with MILF you can throw in rimming, deep throat and occasionally anal for the same price. I've never picked Thermae girl though I have browsed the selection in the past.

[Falcon 95]

Wow, really? Fuck that shit. In Singapore I have my pick of Thermae quality girls who give a full 90 min including BBBJ, CIM, DFK for about 3500 Baht without getting on a plane, paying for hotels etc. If you are okay with MILF you can throw in rimming, deep throat and occasionally anal for the same price. I've never picked Thermae girl though I have browsed the selection in the past.If you can get that in Singapore, then you definitely should not bother with Thermae girls. You will be hugely disappointed. Much better to go to Soi Cowboy agogos. It's more expensive because of the lady drinks and the barfine. But you have a higher chance of being satisfied. With Thermae girls, it's 99% that they will let you down.

[DillonDom]

Wow, really? Fuck that shit. In Singapore I have my pick of Thermae quality girls who give a full 90 min including BBBJ, CIM, DFK for about 3500 Baht without getting on a plane, paying for hotels etc. If you are okay with MILF you can throw in rimming, deep throat and occasionally anal for the same price. I've never picked Thermae girl though I have browsed the selection in the past.Where in SG?

[Falcon 95]

Just tell them what's up before giving them money. Thermae girls aren't some magic thing, they're FLs that just are down in the bar right then instead of on the street. You can get whatever you want from a FL, they are just more varied in what they offer than MP girls. Money solves all problems, and its often, it doesn't take much. But just some discussion can solve the problem too some of the time. Never forget these people are simply sex workers, treat them like a sex worker. Not mean, not bad, but don't for a second forget what's happening is an exchange of cash for sex, and despite poor business skills of these girls, they want that money as much or more than you want sex.Well, this was in 2019 before Covid. I approached 5 Thermae girls and enquired about blowjob. I didn't specify CBJ or BBBJ. 4 of them said hell no to blowjob. One said she will do CBJ. But she did not seem too enthusiastic about it. So I said adios and left.

[HorseTrader]

This trick was new to me. Made a deal with a bar girl who was on the street in front of her bar. She wanted to collect the 600 baht bar fine directly from me. I insisted on paying mamasan directly and learned the proper BF was 300 baht. I'm sure that has happened before, I just didn't know it.

I realize that it’s not standard to do a bar fine without first buying a drink for either her or me, but I’ve done it quite a bit in recent months.

[IHeartIpa]

DFK or BBBJ's with a friendly attitude should be the default with all pro Thai girls. Why go to Thermae if it is as bad as you guys report.I never understood why people are into it, other than it being a sure fire thing at the end of the night. For me personally sex without kissing, without BJ (not a CBJ) just isn't sex.

For that poor service why not just use sideline girls and save money? Or spend a little more and go to a soapy / brothel during the daytime.

[SoberHans69]

I never understood why people are into it, other than it being a sure fire thing at the end of the night. For me personally sex without kissing, without BJ (not a CBJ) just isn't sex.

For that poor service why not just use sideline girls and save money? Or spend a little more and go to a soapy / brothel during the daytime.I think it's the same reason a lot of guys prefer using Seeking.com, they think the girls aren't pros and haven't fucked as many guys but the hot ones are probably getting customers every night.