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...Now, what I do in BG7 and with freelancers, I always offer 500 for ST with a promise of 500 tip if the service is very good. this eliminates the "I not smoke, no Daty" providers, because then they know they won't get a tip.
It usually woks great because the girl knows she needs to work hard for the extra 500.
That's a good approach too... but in some cases, you could get a lousy performer who does not deserve even your 500 baht minimum offer (despite your incentive)! If you read thoroughly my previous messages on this topic, you will see that I'm not close-minded and that I may make an offer first too after a short interview (which usually clarifies what will be on the menu). It works well for me.
I agree with Tansak on this one. "Up to You" is really a license to pay anything between the "going rate" and any higher amount based on a performance beyond the average. Its not really a license to underpay unless she specifically says won't accept money, or she gave no service at all.
I never get into extended negotiation over prices. This would be a mood killer for probably both of us.
Most bargirls are keen to see me again. If not, then I probably chose unwisely, which happens occasionally with really stunning girls.
"Up to you" to me means "Yes, lets work on details".
It then depends on the girls and lots of other things, some covered by MP Lurker.
I try not to get into extended negotiations the first time, especially if i like the girl (chemistry) and if she is young and has limited English. I try to pay the going rate plus tip and taxi and discuss LT if i want later. If she has a baby or lives with parents, LT an options, at least the first time but an extended daytime session for later interaction is almost always an option.
It is probably the "Royal Dragon" (Mang Gorn Luang) restaurant in Bangkok.
Address: 35/222 M.4 Bangna - Trad Rd., Bangna, Bangkok 10260 Thailand
Email: dragonman@royal-dragon.com
Website: http://www.royal-dragon.com/aboutus.htmDon't click on the pictures on the website - got a Trojan virus which my Bullguard antivirus - put in the "jail".
Be carefull
Mitsu 2120
12-31-09, 15:19
I am back from my trip and the two days in Bangkok.
Below is a review of my experiance.
I landed at 11:00am and was at the hotel by 1:00pm. I checked in and went to the pharmacy on Soi 11 for some Cialis and other supplies at 7-11. I then returned to the hotel, showered and ventured out to Bier Garten. Sat there for a while and was approached by several girls. Nothing caught my fancy so I moved on to the GoGo bars at Soi Cowboy area. After a couple of drinks here, I went to a massage place called De Luxury on Soi 19 that I had read about before going to Bangkok. I was shown an album and I made my selection. The girl arrived and led me by hand to a nice room with a spa tub. She undressed me and asked me to sit on the bed, giving me a cold glass of Thai tea. She then proceeded to fill the tub with water. I was then led to the tub and washed thoroughly. She helped me out and dried me. Then she asked me to lay on the bed so she could start the massage. After I lay down, I noticed her remove her sarong style skirt. And then she proceeded to massage me. She certainly did not mind my wandering hands. She did however ask me to relax and enjoy the massage, assuring me I will have a lot of time for fun. After the massage, the tub was filled with warm water again and the jets were started this time round she undressed and joined me. This is where the fun began. She dfk'd and the fun began. We then got out, dried off and continued the fun on the bed.
I left this place after almost two and a half hours, totally exhausted. Back to the hotel and fell asleep.
I got up after a couple of hours and headed to "Long Beach" which is another upscale massage place. When I walked in, I was faced with an array of beauties (about 50) sitting on red carpetted steps. I was approached by this guy who informed me that there were these ladies and also "model types" in another room. I opted for the model and went to the other room. I picked a girl who was absolutely gorgeous. Another couple of hours of fun.
At around 11:00pm, I headed Concept CM2. I stayed there for about an hour and did not see anything I liked, so headed for the Climax club (which happened to be next door to my hotel). After paying my entrance fee, I was escorted in by hand by this gorgeous looking hostess. She took me to quiet area and sat me down, ordered my drink and then left. After a while I got up and walked around to check out the talent. I was standing watching the live band when I felt an arm around me. I looked around and it was the hostess. We made some small talk, and I bought her a drink. I asked her if she would go back to the hotel with me. She informed me that she was working and was not allowed to go with customers. I told her she needed to find me a girl as good looking as her. She said she could meet me during the day. A while later she returned with a "friend" of hers who was beautiful too. I ended up going back to my hotel with her. She left at noon the next day.
Man! I cannot wait to go back for longer.
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M P Lurker
12-31-09, 15:33
No I not mean that, pissed off that they thought going together would mean less work for them :D
Yes, I understood perfectly. The pay for a 5 min quickie cannot be the same as for a 4 hour marathon sex session.
I suppose you negotiated for unlimited shots in a 4 hour period and they didn't believe you. :)
Member #3428
12-31-09, 17:15
Yes, I understood perfectly. The pay for a 5 min quickie cannot be the same as for a 4 hour marathon sex session.
I suppose you negotiated for unlimited shots in a 4 hour period and they didn't believe you. :)
Yup,,, I guess you do understand ;) Situations like this happen often but do not forget I had that one BG girl agree to one week for 6,000 baht also :D
Yes, I'm talking Star of Light, gentlemen - what other place would the reasonable man visit on Patpong?
My day went like this - I suddenly awoke at the inappropriate hour of ten in the AM with a huge, pulsating, painfully hard boner! A priapism, the likes of which I hadn't seen in a decade. I wasn't staying in a hotel, but in the condo of a Thai colleague, so it was awfully difficult to make my escape without him noticing my swollen package.
My next step was to take a cab to Patpong, and I was at Star of Light before noon, where I found many attractive girls working. At this point the priapism continued to the point where it was clearly in danger of doing damage. As you may know, if a priapism continues for four hours, permanent damage becomes likely - and at this point I estimated I'd been 'up' for 2.5 hours.
I picked a cute girl who did a nice long fairly skilled BBBJ, and I enjoyed it, though when I eyed my member I could tell it didn't look quite right. A bit deformed somehow due to being so absolutely rock-hard. After a while I asked to do intercourse, and she demurred saying her vagina was 'small', and asked if she could bring in another. I said 'absolutely, as long as she's slim'. Well, she wasn't, but at least wasn't a great fatty, so boom-boom proceded with a lot of verve, her on top and then I, all out in the public domain. Finally I acheived satisfaction within her, but afterwards the demon priapism was still there! It still wouldn't go down, and was even more painful!
I paid up the $1,780 baht (80 for a Coke), added a small tip (yes they pleased me, the angels of mercy that they are), and zipped by cab to Bumrungrad. Alas all the urologists were on holiday, but while waiting to see a surgeon my priapism finally subsided. I can't describe to you gentlemen what a relief this was. If any of you have had a priapism perhaps you know. Not only are priapisms intensely painful, there is the anxiety one feels that one may be incurrin permanent damage, and finally of course the embarrassment of having to walk in public in that condition.
I'm happy to report that since this crisis I had sex normally in Pattaya and everything both came up and went down by the book. I did take a kamagra three days ago but that's nothing unusual for me... perhaps I'll lay off it a few days.
นาย naai = Mr
นาง nang = Mrs
นางสาว nangsao = MissMany thanks for that.
Happy New Year to all.
Wow Opebo! I'm glad you are ok now. Happy New Year to you and all my friends here at ISG.
met up with pita123 fox2 and a buddy of his, and went off bar hoping. fox2 and i were the only two drinking anything stronger than water. we were in nep most of the evening, and after a couple of gogo bars, we all realized we were not getting any closer to our immediate goal. pita found a couple of cuties, but one was ****, and the other was not going to give him a lt, which is what he was after. we decided to try bangkok beat, which unfortunately was dead, compared to the utter pandemonium of the night before. we then walked over to bamboo bar, which was equally dismal.
when the boys decided on hitting soi cowboy, i decided to cut my losses, and go back to a girl with a very pretty face, who was hanging out, outside bamboo bar. unfortunately, no sign of her. i was walking back up sukhumvit, ready to give bangkok beat a second chance, when my eye caught the smile of a lovely lady standing near soi 5, “ waiting for the bus”. we talked a couple of minutes, she called my phone, so i would have her number, and i told her i might call her. after 5 minutes inside bangkok beat, i sent her a sms, telling her to meet me in my room in 10 minutes. i put all my valuables away, including my watch, and laptop, the front desk called, and sent her up right away...
what a great find. first thing i did is ask her to get naked, and make me a vodka tonic.
small, great smile, no kids, no sagging anything, small but hard nipples. we showered together, and frolicked around for a good 2 ½ hours. she was up for anything except anal, and made excellent use of her pointy little tongue. great dfk, excellent bj skills, though her jaw couldn’t really open all the way, but she made the perfect licking and slurping noises. i normally don’t do lt, unless i have known the girl for a couple of encounters, but we clicked so well, i asked her to stay. she cuddled up and went to sleep, and i got back up and worked. went back to bed, woke her up with my tongue 3 hours later for another round, and she is back asleep while i write this.
amazing what you can find on a street corner.
pita123, fox2 et al, i hope you had as much luck. i know it was getting late……….
I need some advise from this brain trust on this site. I will be in Bangkok on business next week and was wanting to take a couple of the Eden girls out overnight. I have been to Eden once before but this time I wanted to have a session that is less rushed. The problem is I am staying at a hotel that 1) is not girl friendly, let alone two girls, and 2) I would like to keep this encounter low key without everyone at my company seeing the girls coming and going from my room. I thought about renting a room near Eden such as the Playboy hotel. Do they rent rooms for longer than 3 hours? Is there a better place to take the girls?
Also, I couldn't find anywhere on the forum where the procedure was discussed on taking girls from Eden. I know you need to reserve the girls in advance. What I don't know is do you meet the girls at the club or do they come to your room at the appropriate time?
Any help would be appreciated.
Amazing what you can find on a street corner.
Pita123, Fox2 et al, I hope you had as much luck. I know it was getting late.Hi 1Ball, when you say "we talked a couple of minutes", mmmm I would like to imagine that situation, does she speak english? Was it difficult? What was exactly the conversation. Congratulations.
I need some advise from this brain trust on this site. I will be in Bangkok on business next week and was wanting to take a couple of the Eden girls out overnight. I have been to Eden once before but this time I wanted to have a session that is less rushed. The problem is I am staying at a hotel that 1) is not girl friendly, let alone two girls, and 2) I would like to keep this encounter low key without everyone at my company seeing the girls coming and going from my room. I thought about renting a room near Eden such as the Playboy hotel. Do they rent rooms for longer than 3 hours? Is there a better place to take the girls?
Also, I couldn't find anywhere on the forum where the procedure was discussed on taking girls from Eden. I know you need to reserve the girls in advance. What I don't know is do you meet the girls at the club or do they come to your room at the appropriate time?
Any help would be appreciated.
1Ball,
Hey, good to seeing you again and glad you were successful in your hunt last night. Pita, my buddy and I decided to stop by Thermae first for a look around before heading to Soi Cowboy.
This was my first time checking this place out. Thermae caters to a primarily japanese crowd, but I sensed no overt hostility towards us when we entered. The girls were mostly sitting/standing against the booths and walls. There were certainly plenty of them available (two or three dozen), which was a nice contrast to the places we were at before. We did one loop around and spotted 2 or 3 potentials. On the 2nd loop around, we got hassled by the staff about either paying for a drink or getting the hell out. So we paid for some water while making a 2nd trip around. Both Pita and I found some evening companions, while my buddy came up empty. We stayed around to seal our deals and my buddy decided to hit up Soi Cowboy to look for his girl from the other night. From a later SMS message, he too found some evening entertainment. So things turned out well, despite the slow start.
Cheers,
F2
Globetrotter
01-02-10, 06:51
I'll be passing through BKK for a couple of days next month and am looking for some input/recommendations from this board on hotels to stay at while there. In previous trips, I have usually stayed at the Ruamchitt Plaza because that is where Thermae is located but, to be honest, this hotel is a bit of a dump and I would like a change of venue. I was considering the Nana hotel but read that it isn't much better.
I would like to stay at a girl-friendly, clean place on Sukhumvit within easy walking distance of NEP, Soi Cowboy and the Thermae and at a cost of less than 2,000 baht per night. Not looking for luxury of course but want to step up from the dinginess of Ruamchitt Plaza.
Any input and recommendations would be appreciated.
TIA
Good to hang with you also Fox2.
my date from last night just go here again an hour ago. We are off to the isan restaurant in siam square you guys talked about, then a quick romp, and she will be outta here by 10.00 pm. I need to leave for the airport at 4.00 am tomorrow, so starting the evening early.
Have fun in Patts. Take the newb to DD, and report back hehehe.
met up with pita123 fox2 and a buddy of his, and went off bar hoping. fox2 and i were the only two drinking anything stronger than water. we were in nep most of the evening, and after a couple of gogo bars, we all realized we were not getting any closer to our immediate goal. pita found a couple of cuties, but one was ****, and the other was not going to give him a lt, which is what he was after. we decided to try bangkok beat, which unfortunately was dead, compared to the utter pandemonium of the night before. we then walked over to bamboo bar, which was equally dismal.
when the boys decided on hitting soi cowboy, i decided to cut my losses, and go back to a girl with a very pretty face, who was hanging out, outside bamboo bar. unfortunately, no sign of her. i was walking back up sukhumvit, ready to give bangkok beat a second chance, when my eye caught the smile of a lovely lady standing near soi 5, “ waiting for the bus”. we talked a couple of minutes, she called my phone, so i would have her number, and i told her i might call her. after 5 minutes inside bangkok beat, i sent her a sms, telling her to meet me in my room in 10 minutes. i put all my valuables away, including my watch, and laptop, the front desk called, and sent her up right away...
what a great find. first thing i did is ask her to get naked, and make me a vodka tonic.
small, great smile, no kids, no sagging anything, small but hard nipples. we showered together, and frolicked around for a good 2 ½ hours. she was up for anything except anal, and made excellent use of her pointy little tongue. great dfk, excellent bj skills, though her jaw couldn’t really open all the way, but she made the perfect licking and slurping noises. i normally don’t do lt, unless i have known the girl for a couple of encounters, but we clicked so well, i asked her to stay. she cuddled up and went to sleep, and i got back up and worked. went back to bed, woke her up with my tongue 3 hours later for another round, and she is back asleep while i write this.
amazing what you can find on a street corner.
pita123, fox2 et al, i hope you had as much luck. i know it was getting late……….happy to hear you got lucky mate.
what was the damage for the lt?
Fatboy 1980
01-02-10, 15:11
I'm going to Bangkok for 2 nights next weekend. This will be only my 2nd visit to the city, and it will be first mongering trip (I was with my gf last time, so there was no mokey business for me).
Any tips for a green newbie?
I'm going to Bangkok for 2 nights next weekend. This will be only my 2nd visit to the city, and it will be first mongering trip (I was with my gf last time, so there was no mokey business for me).
Any tips for a green newbie?
Hurry up, spend the next 2-3 days in RTFF!:)
Happy to hear you got lucky mate.
What was the damage for the LT?
Actually, when she finally left, I handed her a 1,000 Bt bill plus 2 500bt bills, plus a couple of hundreds for her taxi. She looked at the money, and handed me back 500. With a smile, she said, "thank you for choosing me"
I called her around 3.00 pm, to ask her to come back. I was planning on going to a Isaan restaurant Pita123 and Fox2 had told me about.
She showed up at 5.00 PM. She walked in, stripped out of her jeans, and said.
"Last night, I dont know you. now, I do, so I am gonna REALLY take care you."
She would give Kirby a run for it's money.
I ordered room service, as we hung around the room, christening each piece of furniture. I had no desire to go out.
Who wud have thought it. A girl standing on the streets....You know, I am never impressed w the performance of gogo girls....I find the girls who really have to try harder................do.
back around january 25. leaving early in the AM. she is fast asleep, and I will sneak out at 4.00 am, while she still sleeps.
1500 bt LT. unbeatable. thinking abt flying her to Bali for 3 days, or a month........ :)
I do plan on leaving 2500 on top of her jeans when I leave in less that 30 minutes.
Afraid so - have seen this happen a number of times in both Nana and SC with South Asians and folks from the Middle East.
Not that you missed much at Suzie Wong. Unless it has undergone some extensive female renovating within the past few months it has some of the least attractive go-go dancers in the universe. You actually want to pay these girls to put their clothes back on.
I have been coming to Bangkok for the past three years, about half a dozen times. I've never made it over to Cowboy since I never thought it would be my scene; but after checking into furamaXclusive this morning I thought I would go check out the famous Suzie Wong.
So, after enjoying two martinis at the Grand Westin around 10: 30pm I sauntered over to Suzie Wong and the four eyed dweeb as well as his waitress assistant started yelling 'members only' as soon as they saw me coming. Now admitedly there was nobody in the outside area of the bar and I would imagine they would appreciate the business, but is it just my 'brown' imagination or did they actually have a members only night last night?
The whole experience pissed me off enough to just go back to the hotel and call a previous favourite.
IrishLager
01-03-10, 02:30
I'll be passing through BKK for a couple of days next month and am looking for some input/recommendations from this board on hotels to stay at while there. In previous trips, I have usually stayed at the Ruamchitt Plaza because that is where Thermae is located but, to be honest, this hotel is a bit of a dump and I would like a change of venue. I was considering the Nana hotel but read that it isn't much better.
I would like to stay at a girl-friendly, clean place on Sukhumvit within easy walking distance of NEP, Soi Cowboy and the Thermae and at a cost of less than 2,000 baht per night. Not looking for luxury of course but want to step up from the dinginess of Ruamchitt Plaza.
Any input and recommendations would be appreciated.
TIA
Try the Town Lodge on Soi 18.
www.bkktownlodge.com
I'm going to Bangkok for 2 nights next weekend. This will be only my 2nd visit to the city, and it will be first mongering trip (I was with my gf last time, so there was no mokey business for me).
Any tips for a green newbie?
Besides RTFF which everyone else will say... I'd also say you should consider staying at Livingstones (http://www.livingstones.co.th/) and meeting Giotto. He, and whoever else may be around, will be able to give you lots of pointers, tips and moral support. RTFF is great but having some advice from people who know what they are doing can really help put things in order. I know that every time I hang out with folks from around here I end up learning lots of new things.
...Not that you missed much at Suzie Wong. Unless it has undergone some extensive female renovating within the past few months it has some of the least attractive go-go dancers in the universe...Generally, after recently spending a little time in Suzie Wong, I agree with this summation.
However, there are a few (very few), diamonds in the rough there, especially if you desire a threesome with g-on-g action. Unfortunately, with the best of the Wong girls, you will probably only get spirited private dancing and a short-time PSE.
Yet, at least for some of us, rock-n-roll sex without the afterglow cuddle works just fine.
1ball,
hey, good to seeing you again and glad you were successful in your hunt last night. pita, my buddy and i decided to stop by thermae first for a look around before heading to soi cowboy.
this was my first time checking this place out. thermae caters to a primarily japanese crowd, but i sensed no overt hostility towards us when we entered. the girls were mostly sitting/standing against the booths and walls. there were certainly plenty of them available (two or three dozen), which was a nice contrast to the places we were at before. we did one loop around and spotted 2 or 3 potentials. on the 2nd loop around, we got hassled by the staff about either paying for a drink or getting the hell out. so we paid for some water while making a 2nd trip around. both pita and i found some evening companions, while my buddy came up empty. we stayed around to seal our deals and my buddy decided to hit up soi cowboy to look for his girl from the other night. from a later sms message, he too found some evening entertainment. so things turned out well, despite the slow start.
cheers,
f2any evening which starts out with dinner with 1ball is going to be an enjoyable time. it was great seeing you again 1ball and i've had a great time hanging out with ft, his buddy, the random other folks we've had along and of course all our beautiful companions. i don't typically hunt in a pack but the concept is growing on me.
not a huge fan of nana but since we had to show it to ft's buddy, big dog bar at the entrance seemed to be a good meeting place. unfortunately many places in nana were dead due to the girls heading home for the ne. i can confirm first-hand that there are **** girls in nana. really hot, cute girl who claimed she was 18 in angelwitch. asked if she had id and said she didn't. eventually asked her how long until she was 18 so she could call me. she said 2 years. gonna be a looooong wait.
i thought bangkok beat was pretty full compare to other places i'd seen. i like the scene in there. i'd find it hard to pick up girls there as i'm not one to walk up to girls and strike up a conversation. but taking a girl there for a drink and some music/dancing appeals to me.
never before went to bamboo bar. thanks 1ball. lower sukh isn't really my cup of tea and the soi 3 fatties that cater to my cousins don't do it for me. bamboo bar seemed like it would have potential but it was empty.
i'd been to thermae earlier in the week after not having been there in years. i used to read about it on another board and how the girls are really interested in the 555 they can get from japanese customers. we did a walkaround and on the first pass this girl says "happy new year" and we keep walking. after the full circle ft and i had spotted two candidates (as always one turned out to be liked by both of us). anyway i stopped and talked to the hny girl. amazing english but only does st and i don't do st. but there was really great chemistry and ended up chatting with her for 25 mins, talking about the business and japanese men. turns out she's got a day job as a legal secretary and is doing an online law degree. every now and then i'd say, "but you don't do lt... too bad for me". when i did ask her again if she could do lt for 3k she agreed and off we went. that was two nights ago and she just left. she earned her 6k the hard way but at least didn't have to go seeking out another customer. she had a c-section scar and some stretch marks on the stomach but great tits (small as i like), a meaty but not fat ass and is a great kisser which both and and the lil' one enjoyed extensively. if she had a flat stomach i'd be in some serious trouble.
after 9 nights in bangkok i'm heading home and already the withdrawal symptoms are kicking in.... i'll review some of the other fun (la belle, mango, nataree, etc) at another time.
Fatboy 1980
01-03-10, 13:04
Besides RTFF which everyone else will say... I'd also say you should consider staying at Livingstones (http://www.livingstones.co.th/) and meeting Giotto. He, and whoever else may be around, will be able to give you lots of pointers, tips and moral support. RTFF is great but having some advice from people who know what they are doing can really help put things in order. I know that every time I hang out with folks from around here I end up learning lots of new things.I'll be staying in the Majestic Suites, which I hear is close to the action. I'm going to check out the Nana Plaza, but I don't want to be looking at ladyboys!
Any good bars that offer take outs? I really want some 3 hole action while I'm in Bangkok and maybe a threesome if the price is right.
The Rooster1
01-04-10, 08:29
A lot of girls MIA at the Cowboy and Nana the last few nights due to BF's!
Ralph Kramden
01-04-10, 11:50
Well Fatboy since you won't take Pita 123's good advice I guess you will just have to RTFF. However, I might add that if you at least go to Livingstones and have a fine dinner there (as I have done twice) and introduce yourself to Giotto, he might throw you a few bones of information which is probably more than you deserve.
Well Fatboy since you won't take Pita 123's good advice I guess you will just have to RTFF. However, I might add that if you at least go to XXXXXXXXs and have a fine dinner there (as I have done twice) and introduce yourself to Giotto, he might throw you a few bones of information which is probably more than you deserve.
What, are people here now obliged to stay at that particular hotel or else be denigrated?
Fatboy, you made a good choice. You won't need 'advice' to find the action in Lower Sukhumvit -- if you don't find it (which would be a remarkable feat) it will find you.
The lane where that hotel is just has the "artist bars" which all have fewer and less attractive girls than the gogos and other bars down in the lower numbered sois. There's a bunch of people who post in this thread who are pretty relentless in pushing that place, even when it starts one flame war after another (cuz others see it as spam). They know this, yet they keep at it. And then they make posts like that last one sometimes. "Go, or else". The Al Capone School of Marketing.
I'll be staying in the Majestic Suites, which I hear is close to the action. I'm going to check out the Nana Plaza, but I don't want to be looking at ladyboys!
Any good bars that offer take outs? I really want some 3 hole action while I'm in Bangkok and maybe a threesome if the price is right.
For threesomes and 3 hole action check out Eden Club on soi 7/1.
All gogo bars offer takeout.
Hi! My 10c about Livingstonelodge:
After all the RTFF, last time in BKK I decided to stay in this place and I wasn't impressed at all. It was ok, but nothing really special for how much they charged me. The sportsbar girls were ok too, but definitely overpriced as compared to what's available around. Standard of the room and the hotel's restaurant acceptable but also not such a good value for money as by BKK standards. The pool looked rather unattractive and I didn't risk a swim. The good things. Convenient location, relaxed atmosphere and definitely GF place. Unfortunately I didn't meet Giotto during my 2 days stay (probably he was not there it was end of April last year) so I suppose I missed the important part.
Altogether it wasn't really bad, it was ok, but there are places to stay in BKK I liked much more and which offer much better value. Finally pissed me off a little, as while sitting already in the cab driving me to airport reading the invoice I found out that definitely for no reason they charged me 300baht extra claiming "lost keycard" or so. Of course I should have checked it when I was checking out and paying (it's LOS.) and it was not a lot of money, but no one likes to be ripped off anyway.
Have fun guys, I am planning my next visit to LOS in Feb and I really can't wait.
What, are people here now obliged to stay at that particular hotel or else be denigrated?
Fatboy, you made a good choice. You won't need 'advice' to find the action in Lower Sukhumvit. If you don't find it (which would be a remarkable feat) it will find you.
The lane where that hotel is just has the "artist bars" which all have fewer and less attractive girls than the gogos and other bars down in the lower numbered sois. There's a bunch of people who post in this thread who are pretty relentless in pushing that place, even when it starts one flame war after another (because others see it as spam). They know this, yet they keep at it. And then they make posts like that last one sometimes. "Go, or else". The Al Capone School of Marketing.
Redfield10
01-04-10, 21:14
What I don't like about the Majestic Suites is that if you get a room in the back and try to go to bed before Nana Plaza closes, it's very noisy since you are literally a few feet away from Nana Plaza.
QUOTE=Wendella]What, are people here now obliged to stay at that particular hotel or else be denigrated?
Fatboy, you made a good choice. You won't need 'advice' to find the action in Lower Sukhumvit -- if you don't find it (which would be a remarkable feat) it will find you.
The lane where that hotel is just has the "artist bars" which all have fewer and less attractive girls than the gogos and other bars down in the lower numbered sois. There's a bunch of people who post in this thread who are pretty relentless in pushing that place, even when it starts one flame war after another (cuz others see it as spam). They know this, yet they keep at it. And then they make posts like that last one sometimes. "Go, or else". The Al Capone School of Marketing.[/QUOTE]
Terry Terrier
01-05-10, 02:30
Well Fatboy since you won't take Pita 123's good advice I guess you will just have to RTFF. However, I might add that if you at least go to Livingstones and have a fine dinner there (as I have done twice) and introduce yourself to Giotto, he might throw you a few bones of information which is probably more than you deserve.
Ralph, proceed to your nearest good beer pub and sink a couple of swiftys. Then please apologise to the Fatboy.
Fatboy, Majestic Suites is in a great location for just about all of the Sukhumvit punting areas. Nana Plaza is at the back of your hotel. The entrance to it is on Soi 4 and there are several pickup bars on that Soi such as the Hillary bars, Day Night and the beer bar on the side of Nana Hotel.
Across the road there are more options from Soi 5 (and a little link walkway to Soi 7 that's easy to find) all the way up to Soi 11. Gullivers, Beergarten and NuWave are the famous ones, but there are many more.
Later on in the evening, the whole of the odd-numbered Soi side of Sukhumvit becomes a party with makeshift bars full of freelancers, and the car park in front of Nana Hotel is a car boot sale like no other you've seen.
Anal is not easy to find among Thai women. If you want it on a plate, go to Eden Club on Soi 7/1 (off Sukhumvit and between Sois 7 & 9). This is a brothel-type experience but the girls are available for take-out later in the evening.
Like Wendella alluded to, you are staying in a target-rich environment.
Fatboy 1980
01-05-10, 02:44
Thanks for all the advice. I wasn't disregarding Pita's advice - it's just that I don't check in here too often. I might head to Livingstones for a beer and a steak at some point.
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Originally Posted by Bounce Around
I have been coming to Bangkok for the past three years, about half a dozen times. I've never made it over to Cowboy since I never thought it would be my scene; but after checking into furamaXclusive this morning I thought I would go check out the famous Suzie Wong.
So, after enjoying two martinis at the Grand Westin around 10: 30pm I sauntered over to Suzie Wong and the four eyed dweeb as well as his waitress assistant started yelling 'members only' as soon as they saw me coming. Now admitedly there was nobody in the outside area of the bar and I would imagine they would appreciate the business, but is it just my 'brown' imagination or did they actually have a members only night last night?
The whole experience pissed me off enough to just go back to the hotel and call a previous favourite..Well I'm not from South Asia or the Middle East. I'm a light-skinned black guy from the US and have been mistaken as such. Some peoples ignorance is astounding. This has happened to me three times in BKK and Pattaya, but I've gotten in each time buy showing them my membership card. My USA Passport and a nice "get the fuck out of my way. " Time will cure this ignorace. I hope.
Shaolin
I'll be staying in the Majestic Suites, which I hear is close to the action. I'm going to check out the Nana Plaza, but I don't want to be looking at ladyboys!
Any good bars that offer take outs? I really want some 3 hole action while I'm in Bangkok and maybe a threesome if the price is right.
Fatboy the problem at Nana would be to find a bar that DIDN'T have takeout...
as to not wanting to LOOK at Ladyboys - that's downright scandalous. Some of them are flat out gorgeous. You wouldn't want to miss that, would you? And anyway, if you don't look at them, you'll never develop the radar you need to avoid bedding them (if that's your real worry).
Eric Cartman
01-05-10, 07:06
Back from a recent BKK trip.
Stayed again at the Landmark Hotel at Sukhumvit, just opposite the Nana BTS. Really great 4-star hotel, nice rooms, fantastic service, and super-convenient location. Would stay again, and highly recommend to anyone looking for a go-to place in the Nana-Asok area (convenient for Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy). Rate was ~ $115 USD per night for a superior room.
Booked at Eden for a 10pm -6am "take out" with a girl I'd seen but not been with a week earlier -- name was "Em". My friend had taken her and said she was great. Very thin, long waist-length dark hair, tiger tattoo on her back. Speaks extremely good English. Raised in Krabi down south. Very accommodating and a "left side of the line" girl (anal). Cost paid at Eden was 3000BHT.
She was ready right on time at 10pm when I went to Eden to pick her up. Eden is pretty much across the street from the Landmark, so I just walked over to get her -- they had offered to send her to the hotel, but I figured the walk would be a good bit of chat time. She also was dressed modestly, which made it much easier to walk her across the BTS platform and into the Landmark. In the room, extremely playful and fun and dedicated -- just like Eden girls in the rooms at Eden. Popped twice at night and once in the AM. She actually slept in with me and didn't leave until 8am or so. Tipped her on top of the Eden fee, as she had been so enjoyable. I'm sure you can do as well for less with freelancers, but I wanted a sure thing on my last night.
Last day, I just had time to squeeze in a visit to Akane. Akane remains one of my fave places -- I am happy with the HJ/BJ (no fucking), it really doesn't bug me. I have seen the same girl there, Sally, several times. I like Akane's Japanse-style vibe and clean, well-kept facilities. The reception area is nice, the toilets are clean, the "big shower" is nicely done. I don't mind the massage tables / small-ish rooms. Akane is easily reached via BTS to the Emporium mall stop (Phrom Pheng?), the one after Asoke, and then by walking back towards Asoke a few blocks. I think it's Soi 7/33. There is the Londoner Brewpub on the corner of Akane's street & Sukhumvit (try the house-brewed bitter). Akane is a bit farther down the street, past Tenderloins, on the ground floor of sort of a parking-garage type set-up.
I usually opt for the prostate massage service and 90 mins. This go-round, only had time for 60 mins and the cost was quite moderate -- 1100BHT I think, plus I tipped Sally 400 or so. I like the whole girl-showers-you thing. Sally gives a really good massage as well, keeping things interesting with grazes and licks before flipping you over for the main event.
If being masturbated to climax after a rimjob and (covered) BJ while a girl fingers your butt as she gives you an oiled-up reach-around isn't your thing, you won't like Akane that much. Thankfully it's my thing X-D. I had a great time.
RonnieMonger
01-05-10, 07:20
Perhaps I should post this in the Thailand Expat forum. And may do that too.
For those of you who are familiar with Bangkok, Soi Cowboy and Stickman's Web columns, you should check out his recent list of 10 Major Changes In The Bar Industry In Bangkok Over The Last Decade. Sorry if someone else has already posted this. But it is well worth the read (esp if you are an expat who's been in LOS more than a few years).
http://groups.google.com*******soc.culture.thai/browse_thread/thread/0c5b5799dd452dc2
A lot of girls MIA at the Cowboy and Nana the last few nights due to BF's!
Not just BFs but also as many have gone back home for the New Year.
Anal is not easy to find among Thai women. If you want it on a plate, go to Eden Club on Soi 7/1 (off Sukhumvit and between Sois 7 & 9). This is a brothel-type experience but the girls are available for take-out later in the evening.
Same goes for Tulip and, to a lesser extent, Mango and Snow White.
Ralph Kramden
01-05-10, 07:57
You are a great guy Terry. I hope to meet you someday. I might return to BKK in March. Certainly next Xmas-New Year. Please keep me posted if you have those dates in mind. How about dinner at C&C.
My humble apology to Fatboy takes effect once he posts his detailed CONTRIBUTION to the forum.
I have stayed neither at Livingstones nor the Landmark because I have preferred to ensconce myself on many occasions at the Chaophya Park at $54/night for a deluxe room. Giotto just happens to be a really nice guy who works his tail off to support this forum and be hospitable to its members. The food is good there too.
Any good bars that offer take outs? I really want some 3 hole action while I'm in Bangkok and maybe a threesome if the price is right.
The Third Way is in my experience a bit easier to find in Pattaya than Bangkok but the key anywhere is the focus on the over 30 ladies. Very few younger ones can provide it.
RonnieMonger
01-05-10, 17:28
After reading the Stickman column on Soi Cowboy, I wandered down for my own 'upright-update'. (I tried to post the SM column link here. If it doesn't show up, Google for "10 years stickman bars Bangkok". Or something like that)
SO. I agree, this TILAC bar is an absolute mind bender of very hot girls. I belive the bar fine was 650, the ST at 1, 500 and no other requirements as an outside room is required (walk nearby for 350 THB).
So cheaper than Baccara, but Baccara still has some smoking-hot girls (but becuase as others have said it's a "Jap Trap", that means the girls may avoid eye contact with farangs. No such worries at Tilac. Though plenty of Japanese guys there too.
Italy 1974
01-05-10, 18:43
I tried last week a couple of girls from Devil's Den that were more than happy to take my cock up their ass.
Both of them were young (18 and 19 years old). Names? Rose and Om.
Great girls!
Italy 1974
The Third Way is in my experience a bit easier to find in Pattaya than Bangkok but the key anywhere is the focus on the over 30 ladies. Very few younger ones can provide it.
Sexual Healing
01-06-10, 02:27
Hi guys, it is finally about time to start my trip to Pattaya next week.
Since I am landing in Bangkok, originally I had planned to go straight to Patts, and than come back to visit Bangkok in my last few days, so that I could manage my time there with all the time in the world.
Yet, a friend of mine coming with me (but travelling with differente flight) has delayed his take off one week later, so that I don't like too much the idea of hanging in Patts by myself for a week when I can stroll together with him a little later and I am considering to go to Bangkok first.
On the other hand, this sounds a little risky to me and I am not prepared to this, so I would kindly need all possibile tips available about accomodation and, more than everything, girls.
I would like to avoid brothels, so is there any situation ST/LT with girl in your hotel room like in Patts and how much rates are there?
Guys, I need to know everything from scratch!
I understand you might get bored writing again things many of you already know and have written several times before, so if you just link me to the essential previous posts it would be ok. Better than scroll back the whole thread looking for my infos. It would take me ages.
Cheers!
it's a "Jap Trap", that means the girls may avoid eye contact with farangs.
Usually when I'm at Baccara (upstairs) there's a girl or two who try to establish eye contact while dancing, if they see me looking at them, in addition to one or two who come over and ask if they can sit with me. They seldom get lucky with me, except for one little thing who hits me for a tequila and I simply give in. I think my first girl in Bangkok was from there, and since then not once more .. not really sure why.
M P Lurker
01-06-10, 15:49
So cheaper than Baccara, but Baccara still has some smoking-hot girls (but becuase as others have said it's a "Jap Trap", that means the girls may avoid eye contact with farangs. No such worries at Tilac. Though plenty of Japanese guys there too.
Certainly there is the intention to attract Japanese customers but "generous" farangs are always welcome and plenty are there. Maybe a few girls have Japanese hair style but not that many. Japan influence probably pushes prices higher.
The top popular girl to Japanese taste looked very ordinary to my taste.
Last week I found myself out and about with Fox Two, a buddy of his, and our 3 bargirls. So my girl works freelance and has a day job as a legal secretary while the other two girls came from Cowboy. She also feels that she's fat. She's got a meaty ass and a bit too much tummy but I wouldn't call her fat. She's also intelligent and studying for a law degree. One of the other two girls is older and experienced. During dinner she started to take my girl under her wing and give her tips and teach her how to maximize her earning potential. Back in the room my girl was excitedly telling me all about this experienced woman. Interesting information. Some surprising, some not. I really like her though I don't personally find her attractive. Too much silicon and plastic surgery IMO.
She claims to be around 29, she's in her 40s.
She has an 18 year old daughter who just started university.
She spent some 100K for plastic surgery to give her a thin, lithe body.
Her 2010 revenue target is over 5M baht. This isn't just from the bar but from guys sending money and a day job that she also has. Even if the day job pays 60K baht a month, that is still only 720K. Even if she were to get 4K long time 30 times a month, that is only another 1.4M. Now she did ask a friend for $700 to repair a door. I wonder how many guys got emails asking to help repair that door.
Last week I found myself out and about with Fox Two, a buddy of his, and our 3 bargirls. So my girl works freelance and has a day job as a legal secretary while the other two girls came from Cowboy. She also feels that she's fat. She's got a meaty ass and a bit too much tummy but I wouldn't call her fat. She's also intelligent and studying for a law degree. One of the other two girls is older and experienced. During dinner she started to take my girl under her wing and give her tips and teach her how to maximize her earning potential. Back in the room my girl was excitedly telling me all about this experienced woman. Interesting information. Some surprising, some not. I really like her though I don't personally find her attractive. Too much silicon and plastic surgery IMO.
She claims to be around 29, she's in her 40s.
She has an 18 year old daughter who just started university.
She spent some 100K for plastic surgery to give her a thin, lithe body.
Her 2010 revenue target is over 5M baht. This isn't just from the bar but from guys sending money and a day job that she also has. Even if the day job pays 60K baht a month, that is still only 720K. Even if she were to get 4K long time 30 times a month, that is only another 1.4M. Now she did ask a friend for $700 to repair a door. I wonder how many guys got emails asking to help repair that door.The one working in the bar has a day job at 60, 000 baht a month? What job might that be, collecting from Western Union? That sounds a bit like the girl I met in the Beergarden who told me that she didn't need to come to BG to make money, as she owns a 6 million baht condo plus a shop in Pratunam earning 100, 000 baht a month. And yet she strangely seems to be in there every night, slobbering over her umpteenth beer.
. Our 3 bargirls. So my girl works freelance and has a day job s. Even if the day job pays 60K baht a month, that is still only 720K. Even if she were to get 4K long time 30 times a month, that is only another 1. 4.I think Thai Airways pilots get 50K baht a month.
Secretary gets between 8K baht and 18K baht a month, depending on how senior her position is.
Yet another Thai girl who talks absolute BS. Its all pyschology, if she talks up about money then she thinks that her clients will raise their payment levels as well. EG if she says she will be making 5m this year, who is going to then try to pay her 2K baht for short time.
If she said she gets 10K a month then people will think paying 2K short time is too much, however if she talks big figures then the same pressure is the other way.
Simple really.
Better than scroll back the whole thread looking for my infos. It would take me ages.
I'll scroll back for you if you like. It'll be USD $50 per hour, prepaid.
... I would like to avoid brothels, so is there any situation ST/LT with girl in your hotel room like in Patts and how much rates are there? ...
When I am in Bangkok, I choose my girls almost exclusively among freelancers and most of the time, it's for a ST session.
As I said earlier in the "Pattaya Reports" thread (check it too, there have been a lot of good advices there recently), with freelancers (or other girls anyway), you'd better insist on the girls dropping off their ID card at the reception, and require that the reception makes a phone call to your room when they are about to leave and checks that everything is fine before giving them back their ID card.
That being said, I usually pay 1000 baht for ST with most freelancers picked up on Sukhumvit (near Robinson between sois 15 & 19, in front of Thermae, at the Bier Garten, at Gulliver's Tavern, on the Nana parking lot, etc.). Depending on the looks of the girls and the services provided, I sometimes offer a 500 baht tip for extra service (for instance, if the girl can swallow my load). For this 1000 baht ST fee, some girls allow anal and/or video and/or photo shooting, others need an incentive (500 baht more for instance) for one (or several) of these extras, while other girls won't allow one of these for any amount.
I've had paid more with certain girls (real stunners who provided decent service) and even less than this amount (for instance, 700 baht for a ST session with one busty girl but who did not allow anal or 2000 baht ST with 3 girls just arrived in Bangkok from Isan and who could not speak more than a couple of words in English).
LT is often twice the price of a ST session (sometimes more, sometimes a bit less). Many bar girls will probably quote you 1500 baht for a ST session and you will have to pay a barfine too (a few hundred baht, nowadays, it's probably around 500 or 600 baht in most places in Bangkok).
The one working in the bar has a day job at 60, 000 baht a month? What job might that be, collecting from Western Union? That sounds a bit like the girl I met in the Beergarden who told me that she didn't need to come to BG to make money, as she owns a 6 million baht condo plus a shop in Pratunam earning 100, 000 baht a month. And yet she strangely seems to be in there every night, slobbering over her umpteenth beer.
Actually I know a girl that works as a mid-level bureaucrat at an NGO in Bangkok who makes 60K/month. College graduate, good family, and far outside the world of P4P. Also, I was using a high figure to show that even if this were the case, it would only be X. I didn't say that this is how much her day job is paying her.
If she said she gets 10K a month then people will think paying 2K short time is too much, however if she talks big figures then the same pressure is the other way.
You did understand that she wasn't discussing this with a client, right?
I'll scroll back for you if you like. It'll be USD $50 per hour, prepaid.
nice idea... as a hint I would not recommend working on commission basis (ie 10% of the deeds).... you might not get rich that way with some guys..LOL
PS. 50$ an hour and no tip? Insist on a tip or you wont look professional enough! cheers!
btw: perfect answer!
I understand you might get bored writing again things many of you already know and have written several times before, so if you just link me to the essential previous posts it would be ok. Better than scroll back the whole thread looking for my infos. It would take me ages.
Isn't that how long it would take any of us to go back and dig up that info?
So you prefer we spend time doing that rather than you so that you can have the info that you desire? Um. What's wrong with this picture? If you want a concise list of where to go and what to do, what's available where, well, you've come to the wrong website. This is the one you have to work at researching to find the info. It is what it is. Ball's in your court.
M P Lurker
01-07-10, 10:08
Isn't that how long it would take any of us to go back and dig up that info?
So you prefer we spend time doing that rather than you so that you can have the info that you desire? Um. What's wrong with this picture? If you want a concise list of where to go and what to do, what's available where, well, you've come to the wrong website. This is the one you have to work at researching to find the info. It is what it is. Ball's in your court.
There is the "Search this Thread" button. Its not exactly intellegent but better than nothing!
But the purpose of this forum is to have buried information and for readers to spend ridiculous amounts of time to learn by exploring, or just watch the threads regularly for an extended period.
M P Lurker
01-07-10, 10:17
I would like to avoid brothels, so is there any situation ST/LT with girl in your hotel room.....
Why avoid? Have you no money and therefore want cheapest streetwalkers? Or do you merely want overnight?
Bangkok has mainly Massage Parlours, Bargirls, and freelancers. Try it all!
You need to ask the question more specifically or just do some browsing.
Actually I know a girl that works as a mid-level bureaucrat at an NGO in Bangkok who makes 60K/month. College graduate, good family, and far outside the world of P4P. Also, I was using a high figure to show that even if this were the case, it would only be X. I didn't say that this is how much her day job is paying her.There's some interesting comparative data at:
http://www.worldsalaries.org/thailand.shtml
Sexual Healing
01-07-10, 12:46
Rocksoff and Bionicman, stay away from me with your comments.
Cannot users here just intervene to help or simply ignore if they don't like?
Do you always need to tease and bully and criticize others? I don't get it.
Wendella, the same for you, except that at least you deserve an answer: it is very simple. If you read my post and you knew you wrote a long post on this topic that might work for me, for instance, you just need to click on your nickname and: find more post by Wendella. There you would see a list of all your posts including an incipit for each, so that in 0 minute time you would be able to track this post copy and paste it. That was the idea. Otherwise, thanks for nothing and end of the story.
Goyave thanks for your answer. Is it "Sukhumvit" the name of the best area for freelancers and what you wrote between brackets "(near Robinson between sois 15 & 19, in front of Thermae, at the Bier Garten, at Gulliver's Tavern, on the Nana parking lot, etc.)" where is located?
Finally, I don't remeber the name of the other guy who asked me to be more specific, but yes, I am interested in particular in freelancers coming to my place for ST/LT session, please. Also, I would try a massage parlour as well if you reccomend me one and give a brief description of service and rate.
Thanks a lot!
Member #4698
01-07-10, 13:29
Hi guys, it is finally about time to start my trip to Pattaya next week. I am considering to go to Bangkok first.
On the other hand, this sounds a little risky to me and I am not prepared to this, so I would kindly need all possibile tips available about accomodation and, more than everything, girls.
I would like to avoid brothels, so is there any situation ST/LT with girl in your hotel room like in Patts and how much rates are there?
I understand you might get bored writing again things many of you already know and have written several times before, so if you just link me to the essential previous posts it would be ok. Better than scroll back the whole thread looking for my infos. It would take me ages.
Cheers!Sounds like what you want is a high end escort to come to your hotel room. No problem. Search the Thailand forum for reports using key words like escort. You will find the info you want. Scrolling is not necessary.
Hotels: lots of choices. If you don't want to search a lot, yet want a good one book the Westin or the Landmark.
Everybody will tell you to check out the soapies like La Belle and for a first visit Go Go's like Baccara and Tilac in Cowboy. If you don't want to do this I wonder why you are coming to LOS in the first place.
BKK should be your first stop. I love Pat, but Pattaya is much crazier. You should know this. Get your feet wet (and your dick) in BKK first. No need to feel apprehensive. You will have a great time and be totally safe. Relax.
But the purpose of this forum is to have buried information and for readers to spend ridiculous amounts of time to learn by exploring
That's actually true. When we talk about stuff, we jeopardize it. Having just one grey cloud of verbiage makes the targets less obvious ;-]
It's a conundrum. No moral crusader could have a better task force for the eradication of vice at hand than us.
There's some interesting comparative data at:
http://www.worldsalaries.org/thailand.shtml
Thanks. Very interesting data. So the girl I know working for a very large foreign NGO makes more than an airline pilot. And I know two falang whose rent is higher than an airline pilots monthly salary but over 50%.
Not sure though why we are making such an issue out of a number that I used as a hypothetical to show how large another number is.
There's some interesting comparative data at:
http://www.worldsalaries.org/thailand.shtmlThanks for the link. There are lots of people who have not got a clue who spout nonsense about salary levels etc.. in Thailand.
Now they have a link to hard data to read before they post next.
No, the girl you know probably talks BS.
And why do you think Thai's smile so much. Cause farang are willing to pay through the roof and way over the top. So your two friends are paying far too much, they probably do not care as the company pays, but now you know why Thai's smile so much.
Thanks. Very interesting data. So the girl I know working for a very large foreign NGO makes more than an airline pilot. And I know two falang whose rent is higher than an airline pilots monthly salary but over 50%.
Not sure though why we are making such an issue out of a number that I used as a hypothetical to show how large another number is.
So the girl I know working for a very large foreign NGO makes more than an airline pilot.Not to go too far off on this tangent (OK, I guess I will ;-) but 'airline pilot' isn't a very good metric for income since salaries vary hugely according to experience/position. A veteran captain will typically make 4x to 8x what a newly hired first officer makes, so the average figure doesn't mean much. In other words, lots of working girls here make more than a young f/o, but you're not likely to meet one who earns as much as a TG 747 captain!
i am sorry but i really could not give a rats ass about what a tg pilot makes v a wg. i am sure there are many other websites around where this could be discussed but this to me is not one of them.
have spent a few evenings in bkk post new years (after a few days in pattaya got to recommend secrets bar off soi 14 walking street) and have got to say that things are back to normal.
soi cowboy:
check out the usual bacarra, tilac and spice girls (i think. sorry was getting late by this stage)
nana:
rainbow 4 as usual and angel witch good value (just watch the ****rs).
post gogo:
climax & bossy club busy as usual. spice club dead.
ps: this post is purely for the vistitors not for the locals who already know the scene.
any questions please feel free to pm.
But the purpose of this forum is to have buried information and for readers to spend ridiculous amounts of time to learn by exploring, or just watch the threads regularly for an extended period.
There must be some kind of "Basics" guide out there somewhere for newbies to check out, no?
Sexy, well actually I am helping you here by trying to see if there's a good quality "guide" out there -- that's what you need. I've never seen anything like what you're seeking posted up here. Stickman used to have a really good one but he's hidden it in a trunk under his bed for the last 8 yrs or so. (how long ago was that? it talked about all the great bars down at Patpong)
Traveler1234
01-08-10, 17:03
There must be some kind of "Basics" guide out there somewhere for newbies to check out, no?
I understand you might get bored writing again things many of you already know and have written several times before, so if you just link me to the essential previous posts it would be ok. Better than scroll back the whole thread looking for my infos. It would take me ages.
Yes to both - start with Reports of Distinction -- everything and anything a newbie needs to know is in there. This is an old recurring topic......
on the other hand, this sounds a little risky to me and i am not prepared to this, so i would kindly need all possibile tips available about accomodation and, more than everything, girls.
i would like to avoid brothels, so is there any situation st/lt with girl in your hotel room like in patts and how much rates are there?
guys, i need to know everything from scratch!
cheers!as others have pointed out asking for everything from scratch is a bit much and 3-4 hours of perusing trip reports and hotel reports would fill you in. but here is a quick go as i have nothing to do till lunch.
not sure what you mean by "brothels". but girls are found in a few basic types of venues in bangkok.
go-go bars. there are three locations for these. nana plaza at soi 4 off sukhumvit, soi cowboy at asoke (soi 23) off sukhumvit and patpong in downtown bangkok. stick to the first 2 as they are close and have the best girls. who generally go for 2, 000 baht st, 3, 000 lt with a bar fine of 6-800 depending on time and bar. each of the 3 locations has lots and lots of go-go bars with lots and lots of girls.
bars. these are your basic watering holes with the small exception that many of them employ girls to drink with you if you wish and go with you if you wish. in general the girls are slightly older than the go-go girls and speak better english. many of them are downright unattractive but you can certainly find some nice ones as well. pricing has risen in these locales to the point where many girls are asking the same as go-go girls which is crazy in my book and the bar fine isn't much cheaper. but guys like them for their less hurried approach. these bars litter sukhumvit and the sois intersecting it. soi 4 has a bunch.
massages. can't help you here as i never go but there are tons of them all over bk. to me its all too mechanical and predictable but that is what a lot of guys like.
freelancers. these are girls who do their own hours and choose their own places to park their bottom. there used to be a wonderful fl scene in bk but it has diminished greatly over the past couple of years. the main locations are. thermae on sukhumvit (around soi 17?) which begins around 11pm, has on a good night around 75 girls, is mainly targeted to japanese customers but open to farangs as well. pricing asked will usually be 2000 baht but sometimes you can get them down to 1500. no barfines for fls. beer garden on soi 7 off suk. begins in the early afternoon and goes late. a large bar/eatery where girls come in hopes of getting lucky. not usually the best looking but in general nice girls who speak some english and a few winners among them. 1000-1500 baht st. new wave. same street as beer garden. pool place where girls hang out, gullivers on soi 5 off suk. restaurant and pool joint. nice place. girls hang out and play pool, the nana hotel parking lot. beginning around 10pm girls begin to collect in the pl and outside on the sidewalk. it used to be wild but has dropped off considerably in both quantity and quality but still some cuties on occassion. then there are late night discos. in the parking garage of the ambassador hotel on soi 11, boss, tunnel and others. i used to go a lot when i was younger but not so much any more. pricing with fl is all over the place depending on the girl and the venue. for the bg, new wave, parking lot it is usually 1000-1500. gullivers will be higher. 1500-2000. the discos. especially the upscale ones in nice hotels will be 2000-4000.
blow job bars. [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) off of soi 8. go down 2 blocks and take a right and sol in the patpong area. not my thing but they have a big fan base.
upscale hostess bars. too rich for my blood.
edens. a place that encourages that you take 2 girls and have a threesome. on soi 7-1. the girls are not the greatest looking but by most reports know what they are doing. threesomes are easy to get in bangkok (or pattaya) and i prefer doing it with younger girls.
basically if you stick to sukhumvit from soi 23 down to soi 4 you will find girls everywhere. i mean everywhere. down every nook and cranny of the neighborhood.
so get a hotel around there. make sure it is girl friendly. most are but not all or they charge an additional fee for the girl. the nana hotel, dynasty inn, majestic suites are often the choice of mid-budget guys who prefer spending their money on girls. but there are lots of them.
Nice report DRRonin, I will suggest reading this post to a few friends of mine considering going to BKK for the first time.
Sexual Healing-I would also suggest going to The Queens Park Plaza on Soi 22 Sukhumvit, it's on the right side as your walking away from Sukhumvit. On my last trip to BKK, Aug-Oct 2009, I had a lot of luck finding both attractive and good servicing ladies there. It may be, that as I like to spend time shooting pool in the bar and I do buy the ladies drinks they feel more comfortable with me, rather than being in there ten minutes and barfining a girl, hence the good service. Or, maybe I just got lucky, who knows.
Finally, you really should RTFF. I am also a newbie here, but I wouldn't be asking such generalized questions as yours. I am a senior member on other forums and I know that it irritates the heck out me when newbies want everyone to fill them in on everything without taking the time to read and search. I can tell you I have spent many hours here researching for my upcoming trip to SEA in April, and due to that I think this will be my best mongering trip yet. I am sure that the senior members here wouldn't have a problem answering specific questions if you have those, just make sure that you searched before asking. For example, if you want to know if #12 at Annie's does anal you can go to the Annie's thread and do a search or even PM Aey, I believe she does by the way.
Good luck in BKK.
... Goyave thanks for your answer. Is it "Sukhumvit" the name of the best area for freelancers and what you wrote between brackets "(near Robinson between sois 15 & 19, in front of Thermae, at the Bier Garten, at Gulliver's Tavern, on the Nana parking lot, etc.)" where is located? ...
Sukhumvit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhumvit_Road) is a main road (= "thanon", in Thai language) in Bangkok. A "soi" is a side-street on a thanon. Even-numbered sois are on one side of a "thanon" and odd-numbered sois are on the other side.
Robinson is a department store located on Sukhumvit road, between sois 15 & 19. Several freelancers are available near the front of the main entrance when the night has fallen.
Thermae is a coffee shop also located on Sukhumvit road, near soi 13.
Bier Garten is a bar located on Sukhumvit soi 7 (you have to enter the soi and walk a little bit, and the bar is on the left side of the soi at around 30 meters from the jonction with the main road). No barfine here, all the girls available are freelancers. Several girls come here early in the afternoon.
Gulliver's Tavern is another (more stylish) bar of this kind. It's located on Sukhumvit, soi 5 (again, you have to enter the soi too, and the bar is on the right side of the soi, at around 40 meters from the jonction with the main road).
Nana hotel parking lot is on Sukhumvit soi 4 (so, on the other side of the road, and at around 30 meters on the right from the jonction). Many freelancers are available here during night time.
No, the girl you know probably talks BS.
Actually, it is you that talk BS. But this isn't new. I have independent sources to validate that her salary is probably what she states. Why do you think I smile so much? Now you know.
M P Lurker
01-09-10, 02:04
Finally, I don't remeber the name of the other guy who asked me to be more specific, but yes, I am interested in particular in freelancers coming to my place for ST/LT session, please. Also, I would try a massage parlour as well if you reccomend me one and give a brief description of service and rate.
Thanks a lot!
No one can recommend appropriately to you because we have no idea if you are cheap charlie or a big spending millionaire. I'm guessing your budget is tight but could be wrong.
e.g. Do you want 5 star hotel or 3 star?
Are you looking for a "girl friend experience" a "porn-star experience" or what? Describe what you want in detail and someone might be very helpful. Otherwise they can't be bothered. But my best advice is still to try a bit of everything and see what you like from that.
Things that shocked me on the first trip to Thailand later became appealing! ;)
Here is a map of massage places and other things:
http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044836624e9b986acc9&ll=13.738551,100.558119&spn=0.021803,0.030127&z=15
Has links to Hotels Map and Soapy Massage Map too.
Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy (for bargirls) appear too.
Nice report DRRonin, I will suggest reading this post to a few friends of mine considering going to BKK for the first time.
Sexual Healing-I would also suggest going to The Queens Park Plaza on Soi 22 Sukhumvit, it's on the right side as your walking away from Sukhumvit. On my last trip to BKK, Aug-Oct 2009, I had a lot of luck finding both attractive and good servicing ladies there. It may be, that as I like to spend time shooting pool in the bar and I do buy the ladies drinks they feel more comfortable with me, rather than being in there ten minutes and barfining a girl, hence the good service. Or, maybe I just got lucky, who knows.
I was in Queens Park in November and used to go there a lot in the past 4 or 5 years (never knew it was called Queens Park but I learn something new every day!). I'm glad to hear that you had a good time but in recent times I have found it to be boring - girls don't chat to you as much and although there are a few good looking ones, I don't get the impression they are really that keen.
The bar at the back with the 3 or 4 pool tables used to be my favorite - barfined many a girl from there in the past. But recently I found that the attitude has changed - girls pay absolutely not attention to you. Also, in the bars I have met girls who want 2,000 short time - not really my style as I can get that for half the price at Nana parking from about 11pm onwards or head to any of the freelance places. 4,000 long time is also too high, esp. if you put a hefty bar fine on top of it and she raids your minibar.
However, the last bar on the left side of soi 22 as you walk away from Sukhumvit still seems to be happening. girls are not absolute stunners but they dfk you in the bar and I have even had some upstairs action about one year ago.
robinson is a department store located on sukhumvit road, between sois 15 & 19. several freelancers are available near the front of the main entrance when the night has fallen.
thermae is a coffee shop also located on sukhumvit road, near soi 13.
bier garten
gulliver's tavern
nana hotel parking lot riffing on goyave's post:
robinson: the ones who hang out here tend to be on the rough side, from what i remember seeing. another spot like this is down in front of starbucks between soi 3 and soi 5. cheap but rough.
thermae calls itself a coffee shop but for all intents and purposes is a bar. for what sexy wants, this is probably his best bet, or at least a must-see.
biergarten has plenty but they're not the cutest or youngest out there. more the opposite. take a peek but i don't expect you to stay long once you get a look (if you stay at all).
nana parking lot: in my experience, this is only worth checking out at the time the nana go-go bars close (2am?) when suddenly lots more girls (and guys) show up all with the same thought in mind. that's when you'd be most likely to find the unexpected gem. before that and you're certain to find something much better inside nana just across the street for slightly more. that said, i always check it out if i'm still available at 2am. throughout the evening, there'll be 5-10 girls standing over there, and then at 2am dozens appear.
climax: this is the new name of the disco in the basement of the ambassador hotel -- used to be "spicy." lots of people like this place but i found it difficult to navigate for a person with only one thought on his mind (find a girl). really loud, really crowded, and difficult to tell who's alone, who's available, who's working and who's not. also difficult to see what the girls look like since it's so dark. i didn't come all the way to bangkok to go on blind dates.
cm2: this is in the basement of the novotel and is more high end than the sukhumvit fl venues. the place is full of fl, dressed better due to the classier environment, with the added aspect of its having lots of girls from places like kazhakstan and uzbekistan (among other former soviet states). much higher prices for those tho, without the much higher quality in looks you might hope for, actually more like the opposite.
Yes to both. Start with Reports of Distinction. Everything and anything a newbie needs to know is in there. This is an old recurring topic.True, tho its not organized in any logical way. I was thinking more of something like Stickman's old Nightlife Guide. Did you ever see that? I probably have it saved somewhere on some "floppy disk". Not that there's anywhere to plug one of those into anymore.
Does anyone know of something like that these days that's out there? One of the BKK nightlife sites used to have its own, I think the one that closed down (Nanapong) tho not nearly as good or indepth as Stick's.
There surely is something like that too for massage places. A rundown of the major ones with comments on quality, price, etc. There's a stop on MTS out near the one called Poseidon where there's a lot of the big Thai massage places all clustered together. Kind of the Soi Cowboy of massage places. If he gets out there, can walk around and check a bunch of them out in person in one evening.
FlyingVisitor
01-09-10, 12:22
There has been a lot of discussion about Viagra, Cialis or their generics in this forum before.
Now my question: Has anybody made experience with male hormon (Testosteron) which is applicable as a gel? One might imagine that this way also could strengthen our vitality in LOS.
Greetings to you members.
FV
I'm in and around the Impact arena area of Nonthaburi quite a bit and see karaoke bars from time to time in that area. Any info on getting laid in any of the Karaoke bars or massage parlors in the area?
Dextro Sol
01-09-10, 17:55
There has been a lot of discussion about Viagra, Cialis or their generics in this forum before.
Now my question: Has anybody made experience with male hormon (Testosteron) which is applicable as a gel? One might imagine that this way also could strengthen our vitality in LOS.
Greetings to you members.
FVInteresting question. I hope we get some good answers to this... I even think Testosteron available as plaster, just like the ones you use to quit smoking.
Chicago Monger
01-09-10, 18:31
I have been reading the reports and looking at the maps. My question is, what hotels. I can get free rooms at the sheratons and westins. Also the resorts. Would I be better off not staying here or something closer to action. Do these hotels upcharge, as I have read, for girls to the room.
I am trying to figure out the maps and location.
Thanksfor your help.
Androgel is the most commonly prescribed testosterone supplement in the US. Google it to get all the medical information. If you suffer from erectile disfunction, many doctors will/should check your testosterone levels before prescribing Viagra etc. ED can be caused by low testosterone in addition to cardiovascular issues.
I have been on this supplement for a couple of years now and have traveled in Asia with it. I generally cut back on my daily dose at home to stockpile a large supply for mongering. Then I ramp up the dose when I hit my destination. Because it's a gel, it has to be packed in the suitcase. It comes in both large plastic bottle dispensers as well as small foil packets.
The testosterone is absorbed slowly through the skin after the daily application. It increases your libido and enhances your mood. I've learned through experience that you have to be careful with higher doses because you can get irritable and agressive. The libido increase is not instantaneous after application. Starting it a couple of days before a trip might be a good idea.
It's rather expenseive without insurance as I recall. My co-pay is $35 for a monthly supply. Before I got on the prescription, I found a source out of Eastern Europe that I used briefly. It was expensive and I really don't know if it was effective or not.
For those of you on prescription Viagra/Cialis, I would recommend making sure your doctor has checked your testosterone levels. Pm me for additional info and I'll try to reply in the forum.
I was in Queens Park in November and used to go there a lot in the past 4 or 5 years (never knew it was called Queens Park but I learn something new every day!). I'm glad to hear that you had a good time but in recent times I have found it to be boring - girls don't chat to you as much and although there are a few good looking ones, I don't get the impression they are really that keen.
The bar at the back with the 3 or 4 pool tables used to be my favorite - barfined many a girl from there in the past. But recently I found that the attitude has changed - girls pay absolutely not attention to you. Also, in the bars I have met girls who want 2,000 short time - not really my style as I can get that for half the price at Nana parking from about 11pm onwards or head to any of the freelance places. 4,000 long time is also too high, esp. if you put a hefty bar fine on top of it and she raids your minibar.
However, the last bar on the left side of soi 22 as you walk away from Sukhumvit still seems to be happening. girls are not absolute stunners but they dfk you in the bar and I have even had some upstairs action about one year ago.I'm not sure which bars you were going to in QP, although I think I know the bar you are referring to with the 3-4 pool tables, but the most I ever paid for LT with a QP girl was 2000 baht and a 300 baht bar fine. Maybe you got some sort of prima donna who fancied herself the Queen of QP!
Things that shocked me on the first trip to Thailand later became appealing! ;)
Awww, spill the beans mate! Give us some examples.
True, tho its not organized in any logical way -- I was thinking more of something like Stickman's old Nightlife Guide -- did you ever see that? I probably have it saved somewhere on some "floppy disk" -- not that there's anywhere to plug one of those into anymore.
That's the problem with advising Newbies to search. All the info they need is probably in here somewhere but you literally have to go through thousands of irrelevant posts to find it - and then piecing it together into a cohesive whole is difficult and near impossible for a city as big as Bangkok with all the options. A while back I was thinking of going to some places in Central America and though I read posts going back 1-2 years I never really got a good picture of what the scene was like because everyone was writing with assumptions that the readers already knew the scene. I've often wished each country section had a page put together by the experts that pulled all the info together with places, locations, pricing, descriptions etc etc and then updated it when necessary. Then after reading that, the individual posts would make much more sense. The wickedtraveler.com has a lot of this and may be a good place for new guys to begin putting the picture together for Bangkok, but parts of the site seem to be on hiatus right now
Charlie Horse
01-10-10, 02:41
That's the problem with advising Newbies to search. All the info they need is probably in here somewhere but you literally have to go through thousands of irrelevant posts to find it - and then piecing it together into a cohesive whole is difficult and near impossible for a city as big as Bangkok with all the options. A while back I was thinking of going to some places in Central America and though I read posts going back 1-2 years I never really got a good picture of what the scene was like because everyone was writing with assumptions that the readers already knew the scene. I've often wished each country section had a page put together by the experts that pulled all the info together with places, locations, pricing, descriptions etc etc and then updated it when necessary. Then after reading that, the individual posts would make much more sense. The wickedtraveler.com has a lot of this and may be a good place for new guys to begin putting the picture together for Bangkok, but parts of the site seem to be on hiatus right now
Bubba's Rio guide is the gold standard for anyone venturing to Brazil for the first time.
True, tho its not organized in any logical way. I was thinking more of something like Stickman's old Nightlife Guide. Did you ever see that? I probably have it saved somewhere on some "floppy disk". Not that there's anywhere to plug one of those into anymore.
Does anyone know of something like that these days that's out there? One of the BKK nightlife sites used to have its own, I think the one that closed down (Nanapong) tho not nearly as good or indepth as Stick's.
There surely is something like that too for massage places. A rundown of the major ones with comments on quality, price, etc. There's a stop on MTS out near the one called Poseidon where there's a lot of the big Thai massage places all clustered together. Kind of the Soi Cowboy of massage places. If he gets out there, can walk around and check a bunch of them out in person in one evening.
Never saw the old Stickman Nightlife Guide, but there was talk of a new guide on his site throughout 2009 by the end of the year which never eventuated. Any news on this?
There has been a lot of discussion about Viagra, Cialis or their generics in this forum before.
Now my question: Has anybody made experience with male hormon (Testosteron) which is applicable as a gel? One might imagine that this way also could strengthen our vitality in LOS.
Greetings to you members.
FV
Have never been able to source any hormone in Thailand - would love to know if any available though!
Sexual Healing
01-10-10, 17:05
No one can recommend appropriately to you because we have no idea if you are cheap charlie or a big spending millionaire. I'm guessing your budget is tight but could be wrong.
e.g. Do you want 5 star hotel or 3 star?
Are you looking for a "girl friend experience" a "porn-star experience" or what? Describe what you want in detail and someone might be very helpful. Otherwise they can't be bothered. But my best advice is still to try a bit of everything and see what you like from that.
Things that shocked me on the first trip to Thailand later became appealing! ;)
Here is a map of massage places and other things:
http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.00044836624e9b986acc9&ll=13.738551,100.558119&spn=0.021803,0.030127&z=15
Has links to Hotels Map and Soapy Massage Map too.
Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy (for bargirls) appear too.Lurker,
You guess right, I think I am more the cheap charlie rather than the big spender.
I am looking for a gfe st with a young cutie (freelancers will do, no need for top of the crop).
Hotel room. Possibly close to the fun sukhumvit area, not looking for luxury, just a quiet place away from hasstle where spending a good night sleep after party.
Thanks
Sexual Healing
01-10-10, 17:10
Same criteria applies to my soapy massage search as well: again, I am for the best bet available with young babes.
In almost every corner some guy was advertising a massage place, which was a soapie I thought, probably the same place each was trying to sell.
Thanks for taking one for the team.
so the total damage was 2500+300+300=3100 for about an hour. Did I pay too much?
Well, you can go to a 2nd-tier MP along Petchaburi road and pay from 1300 baht. At Bangkok Cozy I got 2 shots for this (one CIM in the bath as a starter). Or you can go to a nice place like Belle or Utopia and pay from 2000++ to 5000.
Or go to Huay Khwang MRT station. See Mick's map.
Thanks for taking one for the team.
Well, you can go to a 2nd-tier MP along Petchaburi road and pay from 1300 baht. At Bangkok Cozy I got 2 shots for this (one CIM in the bath as a starter). Or you can go to a nice place like Belle or Utopia and pay from 2000++ to 5000.
Or go to Huay Khwang MRT station. See Mick's map.What is at Huay Kwang MRT?
All the rest I knew.
Cheers
question from a first time visitor to bkk:
i barfined a girl and took her to my hotel for a short timer for 1500 bhat. we had a pretty good long fuck and then afterwards i was expecting her to get the "finally he's done" expression on her face and jump up and run out the door but instead she just hung out. she didn't speak much english at all and i didn't know what to do with her so after she was there for another hour or so i decided i might as well fuck her again. afterwards still no movement and it was getting pretty late at night so i motioned we should sleep. the next day she was still there at noon (i fucked her again to pass the time) and i didn't know what to do and i was starving and said i was leaving to get food and she could come if she wanted but she said "ok, i stay here". i didn't like the idea or her hanging out there without me so i basically just keep pointing at her and then at the door and she'd say "no" and wanted to stay. i finally got her out by picking her up and starting to put her clothes on for her. she didn't demand a lot of money and wasn't trying to steal my stuff or anything like that. when i asked her how much she wanted she didn't answer, and i had to push some money into her purse to get her to take it.
a couple nights later i wanted to see her and she came over after the bars closed at 2 am. she ended up staying in my bed for literally the next day and a half straight. she didn't want to eat at all until about 24 hours later when i ordered room service, and i think she only peed once. she finally left the morning of the next day only because i packed my bags to check out and take a bus elsewhere for a week. otherwise i don't know how long she would have stayed.
does anyone have any insight into what the deal is? it's so different from the girls who usually want to rush out the door without even staying as long as they said they were going to. the second time, when she stayed a day and a half, i did not offer to pay her (because we barely fucked, i bought her dinner and she was basically just living with me for free) and she didn't ask for any money. at one point a 10 baht coin fell out of my pocket and i didn't notice and she picked it up and gave it to me, so i didn't get the feeling she was trying to squeeze every penny out of me.
i am in my 20s, gave her a few of my best fucks, and treated her kindly, so i considered that maybe she wanted to be my real girlfriend, but although sometimes she'd curl up sweetly next to me and hold my hand, other times she'd roll over and ignore me for a couple hours. she may genuinely like me, but i don't think she's head over heels or anything like that.
my other hypothesis was just that where she was living maybe wasn't that nice and she wanted to lay in my air conditioned room and chill out. she was only 19 and maybe a bit more overwhelmed by her lifestyle than she wanted to let on, and staying with me perhaps she felt safe?
but i'd like to get a clue what this type of behavior means so i can figure out if i should see her again. and any tips on how to get a girl out of your room when she won't leave would be appreciated.
thanks
M P Lurker
01-12-10, 00:42
Does anyone have any insight into what the deal is? It's so different from the girls who usually want to rush out the door without even staying as long as they said they were going to.
She probably has nothing good to return to or avoiding something. She probably was never treated so good before and could be getting stuck on you.
You pay the girl to leave, if you want her to go. The money is a strong signal to go. Otherwise you just have an important appointment to go to, so both leave.
I have even experienced a girl showing up uninvited to my Hotel many years ago.
M P Lurker
01-12-10, 00:44
What is at Huay Kwang MRT?
All the rest I knew.
Cheers
Nataree, Emmanuelle , Hi Class, Poseidon, Copa Cabana, etc.
Question from a first time visitor to BKK:..When I asked her how much she wanted she didn't answer, and I had to push some money into her purse to get her to take it.Inexperienced, maybe. Possibly, and more likely, she thought that if she didn't accept payment you might consider her your girlfriend. Some of these woman are not truly in control of what they are thinking at any given moment.
Otherwise I don't know how long she would have stayed.Maybe forever. Or, more likely, until your som tam money ran out.
Does anyone have any insight into what the deal is? It's so different from the girls who usually want to rush out the door without even staying as long as they said they were going to. Personally, I think some of the women who are not in great P4P demand would just rather lead normal lives away from their "jobs," and have one man take care of them and their family. They know they have few options other than foreigners who will do this for them. Some of them are just plain crazy, too.
I am in my 20s, gave her a few of my best fucks, and treated her kindly, so I considered that maybe she wanted to be my real girlfriend...Yes, if you are young, good-looking and polite, it is likely she fancies being your girlfriend. The sex probably was not as important (sorry, dude). But all this could all change in the blink of an eye at any time for a young Thai woman -- with a misunderstood remark or a phone call from another man.
My other hypothesis was just that where she was living maybe wasn't that nice and she wanted to lay in my air conditioned room and chill out. She was only 19 and maybe a bit more overwhelmed by her lifestyle than she wanted to let on, and staying with me perhaps she felt safe?If she was comfortable, she probably just wanted to sleep. Maybe she was very tired or not well?
But I'd like to get a clue what this type of behavior means so I can figure out if I should see her again. And any tips on how to get a girl out of your room when she won't leave would be appreciated.Say, "time to go," firmly. If you just can't get them to leave, pack up and check out...just like you did. Even if you have to feign it (you can always "check" back in). Or, if this is too much hassle, call hotel security and have the woman escorted out.
question from a first time visitor to bkk:
i barfined a girl and took her to my hotel for a short timer for 1500 bhat. we had a pretty good long fuck and then afterwards i was expecting her to get the "finally he's done" expression on her face and jump up and run out the door but instead she just hung out. she didn't speak much english at all and i didn't know what to do with her so after she was there for another hour or so i decided i might as well fuck her again. afterwards still no movement and it was getting pretty late at night so i motioned we should sleep. the next day she was still there at noon (i fucked her again to pass the time) and i didn't know what to do and i was starving and said i was leaving to get food and she could come if she wanted but she said "ok, i stay here". i didn't like the idea or her hanging out there without me so i basically just keep pointing at her and then at the door and she'd say "no" and wanted to stay. i finally got her out by picking her up and starting to put her clothes on for her. she didn't demand a lot of money and wasn't trying to steal my stuff or anything like that. when i asked her how much she wanted she didn't answer, and i had to push some money into her purse to get her to take it.
a couple nights later i wanted to see her and she came over after the bars closed at 2 am. she ended up staying in my bed for literally the next day and a half straight. she didn't want to eat at all until about 24 hours later when i ordered room service, and i think she only peed once. she finally left the morning of the next day only because i packed my bags to check out and take a bus elsewhere for a week. otherwise i don't know how long she would have stayed.
does anyone have any insight into what the deal is? it's so different from the girls who usually want to rush out the door without even staying as long as they said they were going to. the second time, when she stayed a day and a half, i did not offer to pay her (because we barely fucked, i bought her dinner and she was basically just living with me for free) and she didn't ask for any money. at one point a 10 baht coin fell out of my pocket and i didn't notice and she picked it up and gave it to me, so i didn't get the feeling she was trying to squeeze every penny out of me.
i am in my 20s, gave her a few of my best fucks, and treated her kindly, so i considered that maybe she wanted to be my real girlfriend, but although sometimes she'd curl up sweetly next to me and hold my hand, other times she'd roll over and ignore me for a couple hours. she may genuinely like me, but i don't think she's head over heels or anything like that.
my other hypothesis was just that where she was living maybe wasn't that nice and she wanted to lay in my air conditioned room and chill out. she was only 19 and maybe a bit more overwhelmed by her lifestyle than she wanted to let on, and staying with me perhaps she felt safe?
but i'd like to get a clue what this type of behavior means so i can figure out if i should see her again. and any tips on how to get a girl out of your room when she won't leave would be appreciated.
thanksdon't try to get any clues, because then you will truly be confused! such is thai behavior. there could be a million reasons. yeah, maybe she liked the room, maybe she had a problem at home, maybe she liked you a lot. there are also those girls (and several have actually told me this) who know that a great way to get a long term guy is by not asking for money, maybe having a few freebies so the guy thinks they really like them and that they are worth having as a gf. if you like the girl, enjoy her, have a great time and see where it goes. if you want her leave, just tell her directly that you have something to do (whether it be go to the gym, meet your friend, go to a business meeting, or whatever) and that she needs to go home.
Shoebridge
01-12-10, 09:14
Arrived in BKK Sunday night (after a nice stop in Tokyo - a place I really need to spend time in one day). A good tip from a fellow monger, is to go upstairs in the airport and get a taxi from the upper level. Much cheaper than the tourist area. I paid 500bt for the taxi including toll and tax etc.
It was 12.40 by the time I checked in at the Majestic Suites (has been recommended here before), so I had to bust a leg to get to Soi Cowboy fast enough. Luckily the 1am time isnt being enforced at the moment, so the places were open until 2 or 2.30.
Started out opposite Afterskool, and after sinking a few beers tried to get a few girls over. The only ones I was interested in were already taken, so I left and went down (well, turned right out of the door) and went to a divey looking place on the same side that was still open. It's 2.15, and the bar is shutting in 15 minutes, so I clearly need to pick up my pace. I slam 2 beers and just point at a vaguely decent looking girl. We drink a tequila and she 5 minutes before closing she tells me that her role (she wore different colored clothes, and I'm still not sure what her job was there) cannot be barfined! I've 5 minutes to go, so less than impressed by this, but, luckily my brain is still working despite the jet lag and the fact that I've been awake for the last 40 hours. I ask her what time she finishes and suggest we meet after. She agrees.
We meet up a few blocks away and then head to Climax. She brings a couple of friends for my friends. A bottle of whiskey later and all of us are fairly well trolleyed. Its 5am when Climax closes and I take her back to my hotel. No BJ (seriously, this is a pain, and too common in thailand) - usually I check the right services are on offer before, but I didnt have time this night. She did have the best pair of natural 34 C's I've seen in a long time. Name Ann, looks 7, attitude 7, performance 5. She's 155cm and 44kg, tight as I've ever had - real problems fitting it in. Given that I didn't ask for anal. She must be fairly new to it, she used to be a waitress elsewhere. There was never any mention of money, we avoided the barfine and she left without asking for any. I did put some in her pocket before she left though. Probably more interested in finding a bf, or inexperienced - either way, it was a nice change. My friends reported the same. None of the other girls asked for money.
Unsurprisingly, given the cost structure (free), it was harder to get them out in the morning. I was actually in the lobby checking out to go to Pattaya, and she was still meandering around behind me. When I hailed a taxi I think she realized I was off.
A good enough start to the trip - especially considering my landing time. More reports to follow, when I'm back in BKK.
Shoe
Question for the more experienced mongers here - is there a reliable way that I can bang a virgin? Always been a fantasy of mine.
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You have to love Thailand... :)
I just sent a brief text to a lady working at Tulip, and clearly got the number wrong as I had a return call from another lady asking me about my sms. It turns out she is 24, worked at the Amari Hotel in the kitchen but has just lost her job. She was very interested in me, and we have agreed to meet up when I am in BKK in a couple of weeks. I have sent her my email address, and hopefully soon we'll be able to exchange photos.
I hope I can help her out with some money... :)
Geez, Evianist, sounds like you have a real problem here! I just love it when a new guy discovers Asian pussy for (possibly) the first time. What to do, what to do... any one of your hypotheses could be correct...
Reminds me of my first Asian piece (Korea 1981)...met this girl in a bar who was not wearing a number so I thought she wasn't a hooker...took her home to her place and banged the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) out of her..got up the next morning, banged her again and still no mention of money...we went sightseeing and it turned out to be a shopping excursion (for her)...when the merchant looked at me to pay the bill I refused because damn! she was buying a whole bunch of clothes, shoes, even a coat!
Weell, back at her place she locked the door behind me and demanded $50 which was a lot in 1981. She threatened to call the Korean cops. I threw her a 20, unlocked the door and left. This was my foray into mongering and I have learned a lot since!
1. No pussy is free.
2. We pay them to leave (not to stay)
3. Never fall in love with a hooker
4. What women think (other than security, money and kids) is an enigma to all men
5. Get as much pussy as you can wherever you can
Mongers, have I missed anything for our rookie contributor?
Geez, Evianist, sounds like you have a real problem here! I just love it when a new guy discovers Asian pussy for (possibly) the first time. What to do, what to do... any one of your hypotheses could be correct...
Reminds me of my first Asian piece (Korea 1981)...met this girl in a bar who was not wearing a number so I thought she wasn't a hooker...took her home to her place and banged the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) out of her..got up the next morning, banged her again and still no mention of money...we went sightseeing and it turned out to be a shopping excursion (for her)...when the merchant looked at me to pay the bill I refused because damn! she was buying a whole bunch of clothes, shoes, even a coat!
Weell, back at her place she locked the door behind me and demanded $50 which was a lot in 1981. She threatened to call the Korean cops. I threw her a 20, unlocked the door and left. This was my foray into mongering and I have learned a lot since!
1. No pussy is free.
2. We pay them to leave (not to stay)
3. Never fall in love with a hooker
4. What women think (other than security, money and kids) is an enigma to all men
5. Get as much pussy as you can wherever you can
Mongers, have I missed anything for our rookie contributor? :)I'm new to Thai hookers but I'm definitely not new to hookers, which is why I had my suspicions and guard up for so long with this girl, and was checking to see whether she was going to demand a big fee or try to steal something or try to pull some kind of scam, but nothing bad happened.
That's why it has me so confused. If she had started asking for clothes, huge meals or money for her mom in the hospital I would have said "oh ok, thats her angle".
But just staying in your room for days and not asking for anything and not even really wanting to be paid is the weirdest thing a hooker can do.
Member #4698
01-12-10, 18:29
1. No pussy is free.
2. We pay them to leave (not to stay)
3. Never fall in love with a hooker
4. What women think (other than security, money and kids) is an enigma to all men
5. Get as much pussy as you can wherever you canPretty good stuff D. I would only add that if the girl doesn't look right, is acting "funny", or smells; then forgetaboutit.
Guys, correct me if I am wrong. Isn't it 400 baht from airport to asoke and sumkumvet area or am I remembering wrong. I am returning on a late filght later this month and wondering if I should try to go upstairs or just grab on from the taxi stand and get moving on the adventure. Before i just grabbed a taxi outside the carosels at the taxi lineup.
Guys, correct me if I am wrong. Isn't it 400 baht from airport to asoke and sumkumvet area or am I remembering wrong.
I am returning on a late filght later this month and wondering if I should try to go upstairs or just grab on from the taxi stand and get moving on the adventure. Before i just grabbed a taxi outside the carosels at the taxi lineup.
Guys, correct me if I am wrong. Isn't it 400 baht from airport to asoke and sumkumvet area or am I remembering wrong.
I am returning on a late filght later this month and wondering if I should try to go upstairs or just grab on from the taxi stand and get moving on the adventure. Before I just grabbed a taxi outside the carosels at the taxi lineup.My last trip from the airport to Soi 22 Suk, was about 400 baht, including the tolls, but we did hit some major traffic. Use the taxi stand.
Guys, correct me if I am wrong. Isn't it 400 baht from airport to asoke and sumkumvet area or am I remembering wrong. I am returning on a late filght later this month and wondering if I should try to go upstairs or just grab on from the taxi stand and get moving on the adventure. Before i just grabbed a taxi outside the carosels at the taxi lineup.Mackin,
Should be THB 250 - THB 300.
Giotto
thanks for the reminder. See you soon.
Mackin
1. No pussy is free.
2. We pay them to leave (not to stay)
3. Never fall in love with a hooker
4. What women think (other than security, money and kids) is an enigma to all men
5. Get as much pussy as you can wherever you can
Mongers, have I missed anything for our rookie contributor? :)Well, there's the bit about treating people decently, which Evianist seems to have done. I actually enjoy the company as much as the sex, so don't agree with (2), prefer quality to quantity (that's an age thing!) so I'm relaxed about (5), and (4), well we could discuss all day...
Guys, correct me if I am wrong. Isn't it 400 baht from airport to asoke and sumkumvet area or am I remembering wrong.
I am returning on a late filght later this month and wondering if I should try to go upstairs or just grab on from the taxi stand and get moving on the adventure. Before I just grabbed a taxi outside the carosels at the taxi lineup.Arriving with a late flight might mean that the meter taxi guys have fixed the price to 500 baht. That was even offered to a Thai GF for a 20 minutes trip to Lad Phrao when she recently arrived with a domestic flight at around 10 PM.
One more question:
When people take a girl away for a few days, assuming they pay for food and accommodation, what do they pay the girl on top of that?
Would like to try this but can't afford to pay a LT fee every day.
3. Never fall in love with a hookerDisagree with this.
Fall in love with her. At least for an hour or two. Otherwise it will feel cold and depressing.
But be able to fall out of love the second you begin acting stupidly or she tries to pull anything over on you.
Shoebridge
01-13-10, 03:44
Mackin,
Yes, thats right. I didn't get a special price on the taxi, I just didnt get ripped off. A lot of the taxis downstairs try to charge 1,000 bt, or close to that.
3. Never fall in love with a hooker
This cuts both ways. If that's all they are to you, you'll just be an ATM to them. Makes things simpler I guess. But you notice the difference between "a hooker" in the west and the girls here? The "hookers" in the west are used to being treated like "hookers", think of themselves as "hookers". It sucks.
Guys, correct me if I am wrong. Isn't it 400 baht from airport to asoke and sumkumvet area or am I remembering wrong. I am returning on a late filght later this month and wondering if I should try to go upstairs or just grab on from the taxi stand and get moving on the adventure. Before i just grabbed a taxi outside the carosels at the taxi lineup.You are right....I just took a taxi 2 nights ago to Suk Soi 20. The driver kept wanting to turn the meter off and charge me 400 baht, and kept saying "same same" but I made him use it and it wound up to be 210 baht, plus the 50 baht service charge from the airport, and 70 baht in tolls. 330 baht total.
Guys, correct me if I am wrong. Isn't it 400 baht from airport to asoke and sumkumvet area or am I remembering wrong.
I am returning on a late filght later this month and wondering if I should try to go upstairs or just grab on from the taxi stand and get moving on the adventure. Before i just grabbed a taxi outside the carosels at the taxi lineup.
As far as I remember
50 for the airport surcharge if you get him from the line
25+45 for the tolls
180 to the Nana area
Make it 350 total for the Asoke area to make him happy for the day.
The price is usually around 350 baht complete, but I end up rounding to 400 baht. If they say no meter, 400 baht flat, I tell them ok.
The price is usually around 350 baht complete, but I end up rounding to 400 baht. If they say no meter, 400 baht flat, I tell them ok.The taxi drivers hovering in a panicky way around the top DEPARTURES level aren't allowed to pick up customers. I just approach them and offer 300 Bht. They shake their heads and say 400 Bht. I smile gently and start to walk away to the next taxi. They then grab my arm and bag and accept my 300 Bht offer. You could say 'meter' and probably save a few more Baht.
Disagree with this.
Fall in love with her. At least for an hour or two. Otherwise it will feel cold and depressing.
But be able to fall out of love the second you begin acting stupidly or she tries to pull anything over on you.Lol. On a similar vein, someone recently said 'f**k 'em and forget 'em'. Whereas I would prefer to make love to them and remember every detail.
One more question:
When people take a girl away for a few days, assuming they pay for food and accommodation, what do they pay the girl on top of that?
Would like to try this but can't afford to pay a LT fee every day.To be fair, food and accommodation doesn't count for much (they can eat cheaply and are paying rent in any case). I agreed a LT fee with my long-term gf the Shrimp on Day One, and would feel bad about going back on that. To be fair to her she has often said that I don't need to pay that much, but if I start recalculating in my head I reckon I could save say 2000 Bht over a few days. Then I think of my (relative) wealth, the total cost of my vacation, etc and think 'don't be such a heel'. Occasionally I have no cash left on my last night and she has happily stayed over.
And finally, LT with the Shrimp is considerably cheaper for me than the equivalent fun with a succession of ST girls, MPs, etc.
Shoebridge
01-13-10, 10:51
I've been reading the forums and now know where to find a public HJ or BJ, but are there places where you can open a girls legs, lick her out, and even have her ride you? In a dark corner of a bar, or in a club ideally. I've seen this elsewhere, just not here, yet.
Thanks
Pretty good stuff D. I would only add that if the girl doesn't look right, is acting "funny", or smells; then forgetaboutit.
OK I'll bite: "or smells"?
That's the problem with advising Newbies to search. All the info they need is probably in here somewhere but you literally have to go through thousands of irrelevant posts to find it - and then piecing it together into a cohesive whole is difficult and near impossible for a city as big as Bangkok with all the options.
In another forum someone responded with this one:
http://www.sukhumvit-psycho.com/
The old Stick guide was way way way more than this one, though he did seem to know where to stop before making it too too long (a skill he seems to have lost in the interceding years -- sure hope I don't need to read another 2000 words on how empty the bars are!). His guide was like the Rough Guide to Thailand Mongering, a fun read. This one I linked here just aims to brush the surface of everything, doesn't make for compelling reading at all.
Member #4698
01-13-10, 17:35
OK I'll bite: "or smells"?Bacterial Vaginosis causes an abnormal vaginal discharge with an unpleasant odor. Some women report a strong fishlike smell, especially after intercourse. The discharge is usually white or gray, it can be thin. You may also have burning during urination or itching around the outside of the vagina, or both. Some women with bacterial vaginosis have no symptoms at all.
Believe it or not, I have read reports in this forum from guys who have picked up girls with smelly pussy and fucked them anyway. I once bar fined 2 girls, looking forward to ménage a trois. We got back to the hotel room and one of the girls (the pretty one) reeked. I think she had just had a baby so it could have been a yeast infection. She looked great, but I would not have sex with her. I did not even want to kiss her, although I did let her massage me and give me a HJ. Still it was a letdown and I had to pay her. The other girl was great and GFE. I was nice to both girls and never complained.
So basically all that I am saying is keep your shit together. Don't get so drunk that you do something stupid. A smelly girl probably practices poor hygiene and does not get tested very often.
I've been reading the forums and now know where to find a public HJ or BJ, but are there places where you can open a girls legs, lick her out, and even have her ride you? In a dark corner of a bar, or in a club ideally. I've seen this elsewhere, just not here, yet.
Thanks
I haven't done it myself, but it might be possible in Star of Light in Patpong.
The taxi drivers hovering in a panicky way around the top DEPARTURES level aren't allowed to pick up customers. I just approach them and offer 300 Bht. They shake their heads and say 400 Bht. I smile gently and start to walk away to the next taxi. They then grab my arm and bag and accept my 300 Bht offer. You could say 'meter' and probably save a few more Baht.The drivers in taxis at departures are ALL picking up customers, and they all should be using their meters, not making up some inflated price. I have probably taken them over 100 times. Maybe twice the guy tried to start in about no meter, I told him to pull over, got out, and gave somebody else who wanted work my business.
One more question:
When people take a girl away for a few days, assuming they pay for food and accommodation, what do they pay the girl on top of that?
Would like to try this but can't afford to pay a LT fee every day.It depends a lot on your relationship with the girl and what she expects from you. Just be straight with her and see how she responds. I have had girls that i had spent good times with in Bangkok who knew i was going traveling and wanted to come along. I told them that i wouldn't pay them a LT everyday fee, but told them what i would pay them, and gave them the option of it being more of a holiday that they were choosing to go on (as in it being a break from coming to Sukhumvit or being in Bangkok every day) instead of me being a customer who needed a girl to come along. Had some fantastic times and had the gals often call me in the future asking when they might come along for another holiday again.
Lol. On a similar vein, someone recently said 'f**k 'em and forget 'em'. Whereas I would prefer to make love to them and remember every detail.
Here here! I'd rather have good chemistry and make them feel special. If they feel special they'll treat me special and I'll have a great time. I prefer to wake up with a girl in the morning. If she chooses to stick around for the rest of the day it is all the better. All that costs me is lunch and maybe a movie. I'll often get another bang or two out of it. This typically leads to me seeing the same girls many times over the year.
why another summary on thailand / bangkok:
1) although bangkok is one of the places with most articles here, it is hard to find good summaries that give the reader an overview in a short time.
2) i used internationalsexguide as a resource on multiple visits to bangkok (and of course to plenty of other places!). unfortunately, i have to say that the impression and experience that i have from bangkok does not really match with lots of the articles here. i am a very frequent business traveller and was very disappointed from bangkok as a sex-destination. it is simply too low-level for me. this is definitely a subjective view, so don't feel embarrassed. i is not my intention to offend anybody here.
massage salons:
good things first! the massage salons are the best thing in thailand (of course, many other countries copied it). only a minority of salons offers "extra services", but at least in the red-light district (area sukhumvit 3 until sukhumvit 26, i don't really know patpong), most offer extras. a normal oil massage costs between 250 and 500 bath for one hour (i would book two hours if you want to enjoy smoothly). i would not look too much on prices (except you book in the hotel, which is almost always more expensive for no obvious reason). the difference between cheap and expensive are mostly the rooms and hardly the girls (the girls you see before anyway). the normal extras are handjob, blowjob and body-to-body massage. each extra costs roughly 500 baht extra (all 3 together usually only 1000 baht), but the prices vary and if you negotiate before (which many girls however find offending, they are quite shy over there) you can get cheaper and more "secure" (once your blood left your brain to strengthen your friend you will pay more and the girls know it) often. most salons that offer extras don't have such a professional massage as the non-sex massage salons, but the quality is usually at least ok. there are a few places that work like brothels and you can basically get everything, in my view those places are overpriced (starting from 2000 baht, usually 3000 – 6000 baht for bj + sex) compared to just taking a girl to the hotel. most girls will also join you to the hotel if you want, but prices are high compared to beer-bars.
beer bars & go-go bars:
beer bars are where all the sex-tourists hang out and – as the name says – usually drink plenty of beer. most bars have 3-6 girls that you can take home for a bar-fine of usually 500 baht. there are some bigger bars of course, especially beergarden in sukhumvit soi 7, where you only have freelancers and save the barfine. a beer is usually 70 – 100 baht.
go-go bars are almost similar, just beer is more expensive (150 baht), but many have happy hours where prices start from 50 baht. go-go bars are only in nana plaza (sukhumvit soi 4) and soi cowboy (between sukhumvit soi 21 and 23). bar fines are between 600 and 800 (you often pay more during happy hour). they offer dancing and so you see what you get, most dance topless, sometimes completely naked, sometimes dressed in underwear. however, the "dancing" is definitely among the lowest quality in the world. most girls absolutely don't know how to move and many write even massages in their mobile phone on-stage. i always thought it cannot be so difficult to do a normal striptease dancing. believe me, here you have maybe 40 bars and none of them is able to do this. when you've seen one of them you've basically see them all. you can easily go in into each one (no entrance) and check the action (= number of girls and maybe how little they wear, as i said, the rest is the same). they purely compete with the number of girls and the prices of beer, creative concepts are absent and you will also not really find more luxurious places etc. (nana has some bars on the top floor that sometimes offer fetish shows).
each bar (beer bar + go-go) has one (the bigger go-go bars often more) mamasan. basically this is the pimp taking care for the girls (and often not treating them nicely). it always works the same: the first 5 mintes in the bar, mamasan and one or two girls come to you, are nice, touch you a bit (it is usually not a pleasure to get touched by a mostly fat and old mamasan, maybe this is the reason why all tourists here drink so much, then they don't care any more). then they ask if you pay them a lady drink (costs usually approximately the same as a normal drink, few real rip-offs). if you say no, they make a couple of bad faces / tries to get a drink and leave you alone if you don't invite them. if you say yes, you lose the money of the drink and gain maybe 5 more minutes with the girl(s). they have to go on-stage "dancing" (they rotate every 15 minutes), so if you pay or if you don't pay won't make a big difference. consider just to the bar next door and do the same again.
the price of the girls (excluding bar-fine) is usually from 1000 – 2000 in beer-bars and up to 6000 in go-go bars (you can negotiate, but to get them lower than 2000 in go-go bars is hard), all for long-time / overnight. many girls, especially in go-go bars don't do long-time. prices for short-time are roughly half of this.
streetwalkers:
you find plenty of streetwalkers in sukhumvit, between soi 3 and soi 11. you can get long-time for 1000 – 1500 baht with nice girls, of course, there are always crazy ones demanding crazy prices, but hardly higher than 3000 baht.
hotels:
i can absolutely recommend the jw marriott and intercontinental in sukhumvit. both are very expensive for the area and not really special compared to marriotts or intercontinentals in other places in the world, but so far each of the definitely much cheaper local hotels had things that annoyed me (small stuff like low water pressure, noise level, cleanliness etc., but if you are a frequent traveller and used to a higher standard you will not be satisfied in the local hotels). a cheaper but reliable option is the ibis (there is one in sukhumvit soi 4 and plenty others in bangkok).
the local hotels are ok. i will not give the names of those hotels however because i don't want that anybody uses this data for the purposes of the following chapter.
minors:
unfortunately, this is – and here i disagree with many other writers here – a big problem. i realized in some of the local hotels (that's why i don't post names, i don't want that anybody abuses this information for the abuse of children) take the ids of guests, but do not check them. and i saw many abusing this and the hotels definitely know about what happens. in addition, several of the go-go bars (many of the ones recommended in this forum!) had girls with very questionable age. unfortunately, the police do not care at all: officially, prostitution is illegal and does not exist. it is one of the most corrupt countries and currently very instable and i am sure some of the "big guys" earn good money from being the world's biggest brothel. occasionally, the police arrest a foreigner and put it to the media, but if they would take it serious, they could arrest dozens per hour. i wonder that not more of the tourists here care and complain about it, my only explanation is that most of them are too drunk or not man enough to tell when things go the wrong direction. in addition – even though the majority of girls probably have full age – most of these girls come from very simple backgrounds and do not behave at all like having full age (one is the age on the id card, the other is how "ripe" a girl is). if you want to support such a place / country, it's your decision. but if you're man enough to have a "real woman", but don't want to grab the over-thirties, i think it is the wrong place (i recommend south america for this).
quality of sex & girls:
poor! most girls want to fuck in the dark, don't feel well without covering themselves with a towel etc.. exceptions of course exist.
i couldn't really feel a difference between bar-girls, go-go girls, and streetwalkers from a performance point of view. of course, the risk to have a ugly bar-girl or streetwalker is higher (you never know what is below the clothes, in 90% of the cases, the breasts / push-ups will disappear once she's undressed). most girls are quite gfe and tenderly. they also have problems with "size" and it happened to me many times that i was paining the girl a lot because of being too big, especially if you want to have a second round (i don't think he's extremely big, but they are just much smaller than caucasians). most of the time, they won't complain open, that's their culture, very quiet and very contained. but i prefer that a girl likes what she does (even though she primarily does it for money) and this is hard to find here and i found several girls crying. conversations are also extremely hard. all of them will ask you the same stupid small talk questions (where are you from, how many times in thailand, do you speak thai (this can reduce the prices, seems that many have replaced the "how many times you visited thailand" with "do you speak thai"). they are all interested in learning english, but if it's not your level to teach a ***** basic english simply forget it. the cultural difference (buddhist rice-farmer versus you) is too high in my view (of course, this is subjective). if i compare it to south america where i could talk with most of the girls the whole night even though we did not speak the same language at all, then thailand is simply poor. my opinion!
please note that all the prices mentioned for girls are girls that i would consider very good looking and around 25 years old. i suppose you get the older and uglier ones cheaper. i also feel that with age their service is sometimes better as they naturally lose a bit of their prudence and reservation in this job after a while.
many girls definitely search for a relationship to escape for a better life. up to you.
cleanliness:
again a big point of disagreement with many of my fellow writers: hiv is a huge problem in thailand. it is true that the rates are decreasing, but they are still belonging to the highest amongst the world. as prostitution officially doesn't exist, there simply are no reliable statistics how high the rate is amongst prostitutes. but as thais are very prudent on sex, i would assume that the still high hiv rate in thailand mostly comes from prostitutes. certificates from the bars that they are tested? you can buy all types of certificates in thailand: in khao san road they sell you from id-cards to phd certificates on the street, the certificates even in most big jewellery stores are fake but if you want to believe in santa claus then i don't want to destroy your dream. but guys, take care! use your brain! if i read the "certificate stuff" here, my stomach turns upside down.
another nice experience i had was to go through nana plaza at around 5 pm around new year's eve (when i stayed the last time in bangkok). i've seen two girls there removing their lice. if you read reviews about local hotels in various websites, you can frequently find complaints about fleas in the beds, and they don't come from the hotel staff i suppose (another reason why you should take the international chains if quality matters for you).
what to do except sex:
- sightseeing / temples: bangkok has wonderful temples. just take a city-guide and go from one to another. you can waste much time like this and they are all worth a visit. what is really great is to take a boat on the river and drive through the canals. you can book a private boat for less than 1000 baht / hour (including driver and fuel) if you negotiate a bit. try to get rid of the middle man and directly discuss with the driver.
- shopping: on the streets and in many local shops, they mostly have the typical asian stuff: cheap, bad quality and mostly faked products. if you feel better with a faked rolex, this is the right place (and indeed, many tourists seem to love this stuff for whatever reason). the (street-) shops in khao san road are much cheaper than the ones in sukhumvit and especially in sukhumvit, you often need to negotiate prices (khao san is the place for backpackers who obviously know the local prices and customs much better). i felt that women usually don't overcharge tourists as frequently as men, so if you want to buy compare and try to talk to the female and not the male sellers. there are huge shopping centres around siam square and in siam paragon shopping centre there is a great food-court to eat. you won't find things cheaper than in europe or us, except maybe a few branded textiles that are produced in thailand. also electronic spare-parts (no-name only and not sure about the quality) you can get very cheap, such as replacement batteries for old laptops etc..
- tours: there are tours to the "tiger temple", elephant trecking and similar stuff. most are tourist traps and the animals are treated very badly, so don't do it! there are two historic cities (the old capitals of thailand) and a national park that are nice to visit and can easily be done on a day-tour. costs are around 1000 – 1500 per trip. you can do it also on your own for a fraction of the money if you manage the local bus-system.
taxis, tuk-tuks, transportation, and other tourist traps:
during the last 2-3 years, bangkok became more dirty, more disorganized and unfortunately you will feel it as a tourist. do not trust anybody that wants to talk to you (except the girls in the beer-bars that generally will say "welcome" when you pass by). just ignore, they cheat very professionally. if you need something, you need to ask for it, not vice versa.
same is valid for taxis. always take a taximeter, it is incredible cheap. you also can go from sukhumvit to the airport on toll-free roads for less than 200 baht. if the taxi drivers offer you a fixed price, be sure that it will be too high. the first two kilometres always cost 35 baht. it sometimes happens that they will not agree to take you for the normal rate for very short distances and on many tourist places you only find taxis that want to take you for a fixed price. just go 200 meters further!
the sky train and the metro work perfect, especially if it's raining i recommend them as the traffic can collapse very fast with rain. unfortunately, the network is quite small.
forget tuk-tuks. i can write pages about them. if you want to have a photo with them, drive once, ok, but then forget them! they are the main tourist trap in the city!
culture:
thai people are very religious, even most *****s treat each buddha-statue with great respect. it is respectless to walk with sleeveless clothes. thai people are also not very loud. unfortunately, most people in sukhumvit-area ignore all local customs. most thai will never say this to you (that's their culture and in addition you are their cash-cow), but this is disrespectful what most tourists do.
discos:
most discos are full of *****s. the thai middle class is very hard working (first generation of middle-class), studying etc. and nightlife has a much lower relevance than in most western countries. they would also not like to go to places full of tourists (especially sex-tourists) and *****s.
so be sure that the discos that you will go, many women are *****s (freelancers, etc.) and many of the girls from the establishments explained before go to discos later at night (most bars close at 2 am). therefore, whatever the girls tells you, be aware what you are most probably dealing with.
red light district:
it starts at sukhumvit soi 3 and goes until approximately sukhumvit soi 26. in most of those streets, you will find plenty of beer-bars and massage salons. soi cowboy and soi nana are the only places with go-go bars (plus patpong, that i however don't know much about as i always stayed around sukhumvit during the nights).
other:
- [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) (sukhumvit soi 8, in second street on the right side):
i just have to recommend this place! you pay 700 baht and get a blowjob. you can chose the woman (unfortunately, the quality decreased a lot during the last years, but you can find nice ones and it's anyway a quite dark place and you only get their mouth). the woman will then go up with you, you can undress her (most will keep on their slips) and get a wonderful blowjob. each of the blowjobs i got there was just perfect! they would probably earn more money if they educated our wives in how to do it than asking for 700 baht! they have excellent techniques and it's a good place to pass by and get rid of your pressure.
- condoms: you can buy condoms (and almost everything else you need) in 7-eleven stores. they offer condoms with "comfort fit" (or something similar not sure on the exact wording). take care as the "normal" condoms are for asian-size and not necessarily the best option, depending where you come from.
i hope i saved a couple of people from having wrong expectations about thailand, as i had when i came here for the first time some years ago.
for the people who know and love it (and there must be many), don't be offended. there are always different perspectives on the same thing.
editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
Globetrotter
01-14-10, 04:02
I've been reading the forums and now know where to find a public HJ or BJ, but are there places where you can open a girls legs, lick her out, and even have her ride you? In a dark corner of a bar, or in a club ideally. I've seen this elsewhere, just not here, yet.
ThanksDid that about three years ago in Star Of Light in Patpong and also in the Naughty Boy's corner at the AfterSkool bar in Soi Cowboy. Don't imagine it's changed much since then but will find out next month when I revisit BKK.
The drivers in taxis at departures are ALL picking up customers, and they all should be using their meters, not making up some inflated price. I have probably taken them over 100 times. Maybe twice the guy tried to start in about no meter, I told him to pull over, got out, and gave somebody else who wanted work my business.They certainly all want to pick up customers, but get moved on by the police after a few minutes. After a long flight I can't normally be bothered to argue about the taxi fare, provided I'm not being ripped off. So I think 300 Bht is fine, but you're right, you can insist on a meter and save about 50 Bht, at the risk of doing a few taxi hops.
Why another summary on Thailand / Bangkok:Thanks. An interesting summary, and I'm not offended, although I probably disagree with more than I agree with. But I must say your report comes from a very personal perspective (and that's fine), which is rather encapsulated by this quote, that I am sure many members here would take issue with:
even most *****s treat each Buddha-statue with great respect. Perhaps this shows a lack of understanding about Thai culture or even a certain contempt for working girls which colours your view?
Good report, many of the things you say are true and astute observations. Would disagree though in full with several things:
Quality of Sex & Girls:
Poor! Most girls want to fuck in the dark, don't feel well without covering themselves with a towel etc. Exceptions of course exist.
I'd say I have a 95-99% rate of girls who love to fuck with the lights on and uninhibited and love being naked, the shy towel girl with lights off is the exception, and usually involves the ones with stretch marks from a kid which I usually find out about before we go home.
But I prefer that a girl likes what she does (even though she primarily does it for money) and this is hard to find here and I found several girls crying. Conversations are also extremely hard. All of them will ask you the same stupid small talk questions (where are you from, how many times in Thailand, do you speak Thai (this can reduce the prices, seems that many have replaced the "how many times you visited Thailand" with "do you speak Thai"). They are all interested in learning English, but if it's not your level to teach a ***** basic English simply forget it. The cultural difference (Buddhist rice-farmer versus you) is too high in my view (of course, this is subjective). If I compare it to South America where I could talk with most of the girls the whole night even though we did not speak the same language at all, then Thailand is simply poor. My opinion!
Again, choose carefully. Yeah, world over most working girls probably don't "like"what they do, but I'd say most of the time here the sex is fantastic, the attitude great, and the percentage of repeats high. Again, choice is everything. Your comment on conversation is probably spot on, then again, you have to remember that Thai is a fairly far removed language from English, especially compared to Spanish, and yeah, if the girl is uneducated and not working that long, well of course she cannot speak English. I do have friends here who cannot speak Thai who seem to be able to "talk" to the girls all night without the same language (although I wonder about comments like this). I speak both Thai and Spanish, and would have to say that I have had far better conversations in Thailand than I ever had in my mongering in S. America.
But as Thais are very prudent on sex, I would assume that the still high HIV rate in Thailand mostly comes from Prostitutes. Believe it or not, at every level of Thai society, there is a major lack of prudence about sex. If a girl sees you in any way, shape, or form as a boyfriend, chances are high that a condom will not be used, regardless of high, low, or other.
Discos:
Most discos are full of *****s. The Thai middle class is very hard working (first generation of middle-class), studying etc. And nightlife has a much lower relevance than in most western countries. They would also not like to go to places full of tourists (especially sex-tourists) and *****s.
Nonsense. Try going to Thong Lor or Ekkamai on any night of the week, to the clubs where you will see 1% farangs, the rest all upper class Thais spending a lot of money and partying their brains out night in night out. Yes, you are correct, this class do not want to go to places with farang tourists, so they go to these clubs. But they party far harder and more regularly than their western counterparts.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
FlyingVisitor
01-14-10, 11:00
I've been reading the forums and now know where to find a public HJ or BJ, but are there places where you can open a girls legs, lick her out, and even have her ride you? In a dark corner of a bar, or in a club ideally. I've seen this elsewhere, just not here, yet.
Thanks
SOL bar in Patpong II is the right place where you should go in order to find all for your needs.
You can have BBBJ and also full sex in the public atmosphere of a small bar together with other customers and girls who might observe you.
You can have the lady acting on your lap but also have the lady sitting and spreading her legs or stretched on a sofa.
2ladies service of course is offered so that you can eat pussy while getting full service at the same time.
Uncovered full service is easily available. I think you can try anal too if you like.
I enjoy to be a regular visitor of SOL and am sure you will do the same.
FV
you can insist on a meter and save about 50 Bht, at the risk of doing a few taxi hops.
you can actually save a lot more than 50 baht by using the meter. Airport to Nana is about 180-200 baht.
Starchild2012
01-14-10, 13:02
Why another summary on Thailand / Bangkok:
1) Although Bangkok is one of the places with most articles here, it is hard to find good summaries that give the reader an overview in a short time.
Very informed review, rounded up things well......You may well wanna try Philippines as its less crowded, everyone speaks English and most agree that you get GFE...not much different from Thailand in other matters.
You may also have burning during urination or itching around the outside of the vagina, or both.
Just to be perfectly clear on this issue, I do not have a vagina. ;)
Seriously thanks for the info.
you can actually save a lot more than 50 baht by using the meter. Airport to Nana is about 180-200 baht.I was including Expressway tolls.
Why another summary on Thailand / Bangkok:
1) Although Bangkok is one of the places with most articles here, it is hard to find good summaries that give the reader an overview in a short time. As a first
timer, I found it almost impossible to figure out what was going on in Bangkok by reading this forum. I read through all the reports of distinction and read some of the 500 pages in this thread, but it was just huge amounts of disorganized information and I couldn't figure out where I was supposed to go and how it all works. I ended up going to ********** and paying for a membership, which I hate doing for any site on the internet, just b/c their info was organized in a way I could understand.
Maybe there should be a newbies thread that lays out the basic info clearly and concisely and isn't open to long-winded discussions and arguments.
As for Thailand as a sex destination, my main complaint is the girls standing on stage doing shake back and forth with no passion and you having to pick one based on that. I much prefer venues where the girls are free to roam around the places and mingle with the customers and talk to them. I find it easier to tell if I have chemistry with a girl that way. I find it a little weird with the girls not really talking to you unless you explicitly tell the mamasan you want to talk to her. In Bangkok I've only picked one girl off the stage, and it was my worst encounter. The other girls I've had I came to meet more organically in the bar, but there isn't enough opportunity for this to happen for my liking.
One other thing I've noticed is that the girls really don't provide a lot of sexual energy. You have to take control and make it all happen yourself, which can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on your preferences. With latin or brazilian girls, for example, they'll provide a lot of the sexual energy and all you have to do to have a great time is match it. But if you want to have a good time with a thai girl, you have to really be the man and take her.
Italy 1974
01-14-10, 18:36
Anal service is provided by a few girl.
The best one is Plaa.
I am a frequent visitor of Sol (4 times a week) and I really like the atmosphere.
Very convenient for my job location too.
Italy 1974
SOL bar in Patpong II is the right place where you should go in order to find all for your needs.
You can have BBBJ and also full sex in the public atmosphere of a small bar together with other customers and girls who might observe you.
You can have the lady acting on your lap but also have the lady sitting and spreading her legs or stretched on a sofa.
2ladies service of course is offered so that you can eat pussy while getting full service at the same time.
Uncovered full service is easily available. I think you can try anal too if you like.
I enjoy to be a regular visitor of SOL and am sure you will do the same.
FV
Redfield10
01-14-10, 23:32
It sounds like you stuck to the go-gos which was a mistake in my opinion based on what you wanted. You prbably should have gone to the freelance places or discos or maybe Nana parking lot, etc.
As a first
timer, I found it almost impossible to figure out what was going on in Bangkok by reading this forum. I read through all the reports of distinction and read some of the 500 pages in this thread, but it was just huge amounts of disorganized information and I couldn't figure out where I was supposed to go and how it all works. I ended up going to ********** and paying for a membership, which I hate doing for any site on the internet, just b/c their info was organized in a way I could understand.
Maybe there should be a newbies thread that lays out the basic info clearly and concisely and isn't open to long-winded discussions and arguments.
As for Thailand as a sex destination, my main complaint is the girls standing on stage doing shake back and forth with no passion and you having to pick one based on that. I much prefer venues where the girls are free to roam around the places and mingle with the customers and talk to them. I find it easier to tell if I have chemistry with a girl that way. I find it a little weird with the girls not really talking to you unless you explicitly tell the mamasan you want to talk to her. In Bangkok I've only picked one girl off the stage, and it was my worst encounter. The other girls I've had I came to meet more organically in the bar, but there isn't enough opportunity for this to happen for my liking.
One other thing I've noticed is that the girls really don't provide a lot of sexual energy. You have to take control and make it all happen yourself, which can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on your preferences. With latin or brazilian girls, for example, they'll provide a lot of the sexual energy and all you have to do to have a great time is match it. But if you want to have a good time with a thai girl, you have to really be the man and take her.
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Maybe there should be a newbies thread that lays out the basic info clearly and concisely and isn't open to long-winded discussions and arguments.
I much prefer venues where the girls are free to roam around the places and mingle with the customers and talk to them. I find it easier to tell if I have chemistry with a girl that way.
One other thing I've noticed is that the girls really don't provide a lot of sexual energy.... But if you want to have a good time with a thai girl, you have to really be the man and take her.
Shit man are you in the wrong places in the right country?
The thread is the thread, the infos is there.
In any case, you may need to go a play pool with a girl at one of the Hiliary Bar's or try the Beergarten. Plenty of circulation, plenty of discussion, girls have the freedom to say yes or no.
The Sex Olympics are coming up and the TGs are in medal contention.
Traveler1234
01-15-10, 01:33
As a first timer, I found it almost impossible to figure out what was going on in Bangkok by reading this forum. I read through all the reports of distinction and read some of the 500 pages in this thread, but it was just huge amounts of disorganized information and I couldn't figure out where I was supposed to go and how it all works. I ended up going to ********** and paying for a membership, which I hate doing for any site on the internet, just b/c their info was organized in a way I could understand.
If you indeed did read through the distinction reports and still can't figure things out, best you not visit LOS and go somewhere else......
If you indeed did read through the distinction reports and still can't figure things out, best you not visit LOS and go somewhere else......I had a general idea, but a lot of the reports end up being "here's a story about my wacky adventures" rather than info you can use.
When you're a newbie you need opening and closing times, best times to go, locations and directions, how it works once you're there, organized descriptions and discussions based around each venue. Practical stuff like that.
Trying to find that in 500 page threads filled with guys who have been there 15 times arguing about stuff is a lot of work.
One other thing I've noticed is that the girls really don't provide a lot of sexual energy. You have to take control and make it all happen yourself, which can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on your preferences. With latin or brazilian girls, for example, they'll provide a lot of the sexual energy and all you have to do to have a great time is match it. But if you want to have a good time with a thai girl, you have to really be the man and take her.
I'm not sure you and I visited the same country...I'm scrambling for my passport to check my entry visa!
Seriously, you can check out other "meeting opportunities"if you want to get a better sense of the lady's enery level. Beer bars (see Bearsk's post below) , Big Mango Bar, and Livingstone Lodge come to mind, in addition to a bizillion others.
TTG has a fair amount of experience with latin ladies, thanks to part of my mis-spent youth. Thai women are easily their equal, but probably cannot compete with Latinas in the "Best Boobs" contest. Thai ladies just require a lot of street food for energy....
Having said all that, your summary is a decent STARTING POINT for lazy guys who won't take the time you did to read the forum. Yes, the ISG forum is disorganized and is most useful (IMHO) for real-time informatin. I think if you had taken out the negatives, you would have found a round of applause from many guys. I think maybe there is a newbie thread in Giotto's Forum...but I'm too lazy to check. I'm saving my energy so I can keep up with someone this afternoon! ~TTG
Seriously, you can check out other "meeting opportunities"if you want to get a better sense of the lady's enery level. Beer bars (see Bearsk's post below) , Big Mango Bar, and Livingstone Lodge come to mind, in addition to a bizillion others.
I havent been to these places, mainly because I didn't know about them, so I will try them out. Thanks
TTG has a fair amount of experience with latin ladies, thanks to part of my mis-spent youth. Thai women are easily their equal, but probably cannot compete with Latinas in the "Best Boobs" contest. Thai ladies just require a lot of street food for energy....If you get 25 latin/brazilian girls on a stage, do you think they'll barely shake back and forth or do you think you'll see some amazing asses moving in ways you didn't think possible?
I love thai women, you just have to enjoy them in a different way.
As a first
timer, I found it almost impossible to figure out what was going on in Bangkok by reading this forum. I read through all the reports of distinction and read some of the 500 pages in this thread, but it was just huge amounts of disorganized information and I couldn't figure out where I was supposed to go and how it all works. I ended up going to ********** and paying for a membership, which I hate doing for any site on the internet, just b/c their info was organized in a way I could understand. )
Maybe there should be a newbies thread that lays out the basic info clearly and concisely and isn't open to long-winded discussions and arguments.
As for Thailand as a sex destination, my main complaint is the girls standing on stage doing shake back and forth with no passion and you having to pick one based on that. I much prefer venues where the girls are free to roam around the places and mingle with the customers and talk to them. I find it easier to tell if I have chemistry with a girl that way. I find it a little weird with the girls not really talking to you unless you explicitly tell the mamasan you want to talk to her. In Bangkok I've only picked one girl off the stage, and it was my worst encounter. The other girls I've had I came to meet more organically in the bar, but there isn't enough opportunity for this to happen for my liking.
One other thing I've noticed is that the girls really don't provide a lot of sexual energy. You have to take control and make it all happen yourself, which can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on your preferences. With latin or brazilian girls, for example, they'll provide a lot of the sexual energy and all you have to do to have a great time is match it. But if you want to have a good time with a thai girl, you have to really be the man and take her.
As you can see, your link didn't appear here in the thread. Could you possibly PM that to me? Curious. Or if you don't have PM capability, try to describe it in some kind of coded way so we can figure it out. Though, I'm not going to pay for it, so what do they have? (did you see the link I posted a ways down? how's that compare to what they have at the site you found?
Agreed, it's the nature of a board like this where stickying isn't possible, since it's one thread that keeps rolling, so it lends itself to ongoing conversation and is built to resist organization. In other forums, there's the possibility of users creating new threads with subject titles they write, which then organizes the info under subjects automatically. And also the moderator can create a sticky post, for example one that woud be the newbie guide. On another forum that's structured like this, we finally came up with the idea of creating a free website out there with the info, then a bunch of regular members putting the link in their signature. Kind of a screwy solution but it's worked fairly well.
About the shuffling on the stage and mamasan's interceding, that's the method that's developed in Bangkok over the years, unfortunately, so you have to adjust yourself to it if you want to have the fullest selection. Best would be to just keep calling down more and more of them until it feels more normal to you, because you're right: trying to mingle with them offstage is extremely awkward -- they don't like people wandering around the bar, and if you stay in one spot you can't see too many of the girls well enough to get a good look at them and choose. That's what the stage is for. As for your worst encounter, you just had very bad luck. Try a few more and you'll see it's not that bad: you'll probably meet one you click with that way. Which bar was this by the way?
As for the energy, varies from girl to girl in my experience. Haven't been to Brazil so can't compare.
If you indeed did read through the distinction reports and still can't figure things out, best you not visit LOS and go somewhere else......
Maybe, but if you think about it, "Reports of Distinction" as a title doesn't exactly describe itself as an overall guide to newbies. Not obvious enough. Some will find it, but plenty won't. Should be designed so that fewer miss it.
Actually, new people to the forum would have to click down (Asia > Thailand) first, so it'd make sense to have a sticky thread right there (where they would surely see it) that had a kind of guide. And it should be called Beginners' Guide to Bangkok Nightlife or something totally dummy proof like that. It would make most sense for it to be wiki style where it can be continually updated as things change or better info comes through.
Can you believe it.
Phoned up my favourite Baccara girl before flying in to BKK. She is in BKK but booked up for the whole week. She is just to cute and lovely personality too. I asked how many boyfriends she has and she claimed she doesn't know. Too many to count perhaps. Girls like this are so popular that they can avoid to refuse to bargain over the cost. Either you accept her rate or she just wouldn't waste her time. i.e. generous fun guys only!
So, O.K. in one weeks time.
Yes it's a nice one.
I don't know how u r explaining about the "peoples expactation" and their svings. Everbody getting their ideas about the sin cities on their own way.
But u have described a nice over view about all the options are avilable to be served.
Did u noticed one thing u have missed ? Don't u never gone for vitamin C or G or kamagra any time there ?
Why another summary on Thailand / Bangkok:
1) Although Bangkok is one of the places with most articles here, it is hard to find good summaries that give the reader an overview in a short time.
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I hope I saved a couple of people from having wrong expectations about Thailand, as I had when I came here for the first time some years ago.
For the people who know and love it (and there must be many), don't be offended. There are always different perspectives on the same thing.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
Mr Jetsetter
01-15-10, 09:18
If you indeed did read through the distinction reports and still can't figure things out, best you not visit LOS and go somewhere else......
So many of these reports are so incredibly lame I wouldn't really recommend them for newbies. In fact, if you take the time to notice, most of these reports are written by newbies!
Employing the "search this thread" function seems to be a much better way to come up with more specific info.
As you can see, your link didn't appear here in the thread. Could you possibly PM that to me? Curious. Or if you don't have PM capability, try to describe it in some kind of coded way so we can figure it out. Though, I'm not going to pay for it, so what do they have? (did you see the link I posted a ways down? How's that compare to what they have at the site you found?Club for a hombre? There's less information than there is here, and it's older info, but it's just organized better there. Pretty much the same as the link you posted. Having one thread for a huge sin city like Bangkok is bound to end up an enormous mass of chaos.
Agreed, it's the nature of a board like this where stickying isn't possible, since it's one thread that keeps rolling, so it lends itself to ongoing conversation and is built to resist organization. In other forums, there's the possibility of users creating new threads with subject titles they write, which then organizes the info under subjects automatically. And also the moderator can create a sticky post, for example one that woud be the newbie guide. On another forum that's structured like this, we finally came up with the idea of creating a free website out there with the info, then a bunch of regular members putting the link in their signature. Kind of a screwy solution but it's worked fairly well.This forum is great if you already know the info you're looking for and you want to do a search on it. But if you're a first timer and have no clue what's going on, you're lost here.
About the shuffling on the stage and mamasan's interceding, that's the method that's developed in Bangkok over the years, unfortunately, so you have to adjust yourself to it if you want to have the fullest selection. Best would be to just keep calling down more and more of them until it feels more normal to you, because you're right: trying to mingle with them offstage is extremely awkward. They don't like people wandering around the bar, and if you stay in one spot you can't see too many of the girls well enough to get a good look at them and choose. That's what the stage is for. As for your worst encounter, you just had very bad luck. Try a few more and you'll see it's not that bad: you'll probably meet one you click with that way. Which bar was this by the way?The one with the glass ceiling in Soi Cowboy. Can't remember the name. The girl turned the lights out and we had some boring sex and then she wanted to leave after 20 minutes. Not a bad girl, we just didn't have the chemistry. I think she thought I was cheating on my girlfriend because I didn't want to bring her back to where I was staying, then she didn't like me because of that.
I took a couple of great ones out of Nana, but I didn't pick them off the stage. One I was seated right next to when I walked in b/c the hostess saw me eyeing her, and the other one was roaming around the bar and came up to me.
In Brazilian termas you end up with about 6 or 7 girls in your lap making out with you, grabbing your dong and putting your hands all over her ass before you make your selection. I guess it's just easier for me to figure out which one I like that way.
LittleBigMan
01-15-10, 13:24
There use to be a area on top of the site called " FAQ " but it was removed! I'm sure as always for some good unexplanable reason? Lead to some basic information for newbies?
But also if a guy does run and read through all those pages and still can't figure out what is going on! One does have to wonder whether he should be going anywhere unless he goes on a tour!
LBM
There use to be a area on top of the site called " FAQ " but it was removed! I'm sure as always for some good unexplanable reason? Lead to some basic information for newbies?
But also if a guy does run and read through all those pages and still can't figure out what is going on! One does have to wonder whether he should be going anywhere unless he goes on a tour!
LBM
Sure, he can, but it's pretty damn inefficient and tedious. Think of all the stupid arguments over nothing that are in here. Not to mention all the glowing endorsements of a certain hotel in the soi 33 area. Some people are too busy to sit reading for hours just to glean the tiny % of what's written here that will be useful. This thread is pretty much the opposite of what I'd call organized information.
It sounds like you stuck to the go-gos which was a mistake in my opinion based on what you wanted. You prbably should have gone to the freelance places or discos or maybe Nana parking lot, etc.I was going to hang out in Angel's Disco every night, but when I got there it's apparently been shut down.
Best freelance place or disco close to Nana besides the parking lot?
Traveler1234
01-15-10, 17:57
So many of these reports are so incredibly lame I wouldn't really recommend them for newbies. In fact, if you take the time to notice, most of these reports are written by newbies!
I was referring to OP's comment that he read every report (plus all 500 pages of this thread???) and still felt didn't have a handle on the monger scene in LOS.
I agree many of them are not really deserving. Bu for every lame report, there is equally a good one. If you read nothing but the FIRST one by Phuqar, the MP reviews by Giotto and MP, it would give you an excellent roadmap.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=393008&postcount=2
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=701290&postcount=162
Some people are just lazy, whether they're newbies or seniors....
If you get 25 latin/brazilian girls on a stage, do you think they'll barely shake back and forth or do you think you'll see some amazing asses moving in ways you didn't think possible?
I love thai women, you just have to enjoy them in a different way.For most of the 1990's until about 2003 I spent my vacations switching back and forth between Thai's and Latina's in Brazil or the Dominican Republic. And though I clearly liked both there were times when I was ga-ga about Latinas and other times when Thai women did it for me. Once when I was in the middle of a Latina frenzy I actually came to Thailand because I thought I should visit, but I was so bored by the average so-so sex that within 3 days I booked myself back to the DR and had a great time. Sex was simply better with Latinas for the most part - it is a much more part of their culture and something they are proud of their ability in. Thai's are different of course. But in the end now that I am in a retirement stage I pretty much ended up in Thailand because I just like the personality of the girls there so much more - calmer, sweeter, cuter, more gf. I just came back from a week in the DR and found myself kind of bored there with the hit and run sex. So to some degree it depends on where your head is - but everyone should try and partake of both if possible. And btw - Thai women have gotten so much better in the sex dept. than they were in the 90's where they generally did do the towel cover thing, lights off, no bj - but I have not come across that behavior in a few years now.
Redfield10
01-15-10, 22:03
Have you ever heard of Google?
I was going to hang out in Angel's Disco every night, but when I got there it's apparently been shut down.
Best freelance place or disco close to Nana besides the parking lot?
As a first timer, I found it almost impossible to figure out what was going on in Bangkok by reading this forum.
I"ll agree with you. What Bangkok and all major cities need is something like that:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2191&page=8&pp=15
Problem being who is gonna take the time to do it the way Bubba Boy did.
Well if not to that extend at least a short check-list of must do/visit things. How to get there, where to sleep, eat, monger stuff.
The info is all there somewhere but need someone to summarise it the way Mick Licker did for the soapies. Nick Frenchy posted some nice reports lately summarising a lot of info about MP's. He is the expert one on these.
I was going to hang out in Angel's Disco every night, but when I got there it's apparently been shut down.
Best freelance place or disco close to Nana besides the parking lot?
Climax if you can handle the smoke.
There use to be a area on top of the site called " FAQ " but it was removed! I'm sure as always for some good unexplanable reason? Lead to some basic information for newbies?
But also if a guy does run and read through all those pages and still can't figure out what is going on! One does have to wonder whether he should be going anywhere unless he goes on a tour!
LBM
FAQ is still there but contains general info concerning ISG. Not for every forum. Maybe something wrong with your browser LBM.
I was going to hang out in Angel's Disco every night, but when I got there it's apparently been shut down.
Best freelance place or disco close to Nana besides the parking lot?
I think many of the girls migrated to Bangkok Beat on Soi 7 (or is i 7/1)? One of those anyway.
I"ll agree with you. What Bangkok and all major cities need is something like that:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2191&page=8&pp=15
Problem being who is gonna take the time to do it the way Bubba Boy did.Yes Bubba's Rio guide is incredible.
That was my Bible the first time I went to Brazil, and as a newbie it was all I really needed.
And btw - Thai women have gotten so much better in the sex dept. than they were in the 90's where they generally did do the towel cover thing, lights off, no bj - but I have not come across that behavior in a few years now.I got the lights off towel thing last week with the first girl I pulled out of a gogo. She left after 20 minutes too.
I was pretty annoyed. Only gave her 600 bhat.
I think many of the girls migrated to Bangkok Beat on Soi 7 (or is i 7/1)? One of those anyway.
Bamboo bar on soi 3 also, though it is quite dark, very loud, and they allow smoking. But lots of girls there
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LittleBigMan
01-16-10, 03:48
FAQ is still there but contains general info concerning ISG. Not for every forum. Maybe something wrong with your browser LBM.
Not the Browser for sure! maybe my eyes but the FAQ use to be right on top near the word " Thailand "? Now I don't see it up front?
Use to also let you to site like ************** that just gave you some general information about Bangkok and Thailand. Bars, area etc... was in my opinion was good for a newbie for starter before entering the site.
Wendalla,
I have been on this site for a long time and it use to be simple! The problem is everyone through the years kept asking to add/split/delete! same thing that is going on now and will continue to go on! So what you see is what we get! Realility is this site has become what we ask it to be which is what your comments relate to.
I sometimes wonder as I read what do people expect and what is the hurry? To me it is simple you need something just ask directly! Why complain about the useless information when we ( everyone ) sooner or later add to the useless information?
LBM
Lover Boy #2
01-16-10, 04:12
I was not about to get rolled, as the cab driver was a hotel driver who took me to a place on a busy street. In my experience (which is almost entirely in Brazil, so I guess I may be wrong), the hotel drivers are pretty safe since they are known to the hotel.
As for RTFF, I have to say that I put in several hours RTFF, but the Bangkok forum is not easy reading! First, the Bangkok reports are filled with all sorts of unintelligible acronyms (at least for those of us who don't live here). Second, the city is inordinately complex geographically, addresses are rarely listed, and even when they are, most of the cab drivers don't do very well with English. And, I don't speak a word of Thai! Third, there are far too many reports that do not report price, and it would take a genius to figure out what most of the girls should be charging in the absence of real experience. So, while I agree that RTFF is an advantage, it is not enough to guide one through the sex spots in Bangkok.
That being said, I was lucky last night. My girl was real GFE. Yes, I knew I was being ripped off, especially since the cab driver must have also been getting a kick back, but it was late, I was horny, the girl was available, and 3500 baht is only $100. The guy I paid was her pimp (he was not selling food), not terribly different than paying a bar fine to a mamasan, in my view. Yes, I contributed to price inflation, but I promise that tonight, I will make up for my sins!
The regular guys are not trying to make fun of you, it is just that your story is like paying 10 euro for a bag of ice.....it is a bit funny. To a regular, that price could have yielded 4 women.....all happy with their hourly salary!! Nic has it right ......but, glad you were happy....that is what is important....and we all were "new" at some point in this game. So, how have you progressed?
Not the Browser for sure! maybe my eyes but the FAQ use to be right on top near the word " Thailand "? Now I don't see it up front?
...
Keep lookin' LBM, old pal, or I'm gonna start thinking you have early Alzheimers for sure. It's right there in front of your face, near the top of EVERY screen, in a thin dark blue blue banner (menu bar) next to "Rules" on the left, and "Abbreviations" on the right. It says "FAQ," and you can hardly miss it unless you try.
Keep lookin' LBM, old pal, or I'm gonna start thinking you have early Alzheimers for sure. It's right there in front of your face, near the top of EVERY screen, in a thin dark blue blue banner (menu bar) next to "Rules" on the left, and "Abbreviations" on the right. It says "FAQ," and you can hardly miss it unless you try.
Another random Q. There used to be a Thailand, or maybe Pattaya, FAQ with at least 50 questions and answers on it. It was very helpful, but I can't find it. Anyone have the url?
I think he means the detailed FAQ that was written specifically about Thailand. It was written by a poster (or two?) years ago and while outdated some of the info would still be valid today. Another poster was inquiring about the same FAQ on the Pattaya thread recently; I looked and could not find it anywhere. Perhaps Jackson can repost it, I’m sure there will be volunteers willing to assist in updating it. Although the FAQ did not prevent posters from asking unending ISG novice type questions it was a superior alternative to the RTFF reply.
Mambo Robert
01-16-10, 08:26
Ok people after two years in the middle of nowhere (4 hours west of Chiang Rai) I have a week leave pass from wife and am down to Bangers for business.
Seriously going to give the Eden Club a bash (or three). My question is. Does anyone know the policy on photo's of exploits.
Is it no, is it fine, is it fine with more baht. Keeping in mind their homepage is closed now is internet publishing (on ISG) a no no.
Otherwise I will be reporting in detail later (with or without photo's) per club policy.
Thanks yall
Mambo Robert
01-16-10, 10:02
Folks
After two years in the North in quite literally the middle of nowhere the wife has given me a one week leave pass for Bangers.
The intention is to visit the Eden Club...question is does anyone know their policy on photo's. Is it no problem, no under any circumstances, yes with more baht?
Keeping in mind their web site is now closed I just wondered whether "private" photo's that would not be circulated are ok.
Of course if they are ok with publishing on ISG with some "blurring" then all the better.
Report to follow and thanks in anticipation of response.
Also any tips on good picks or tips on Eden more than welcome.
Shoebridge
01-16-10, 11:43
I heard that Patpong used to have frog/goldfish shows (women insert said amphibian/aquatic lifeforms) and then shoot them out into a bowl where they swim merrily around. Do they still exist? Any suggestions for a venue? I know we're talking Patpong and I'll get ripped off, but I figured I'd like to see it the once.
I was going to hang out in Angel's Disco every night, but when I got there it's apparently been shut down.
Best freelance place or disco close to Nana besides the parking lot?
I thought I had read that they were going to re-open the Nana Disco at year's end. No sign of that?
No place has come close to replacing the Nana Disco - though in truth it was a shadow of what it was a few years ago - hence its closing - run into the ground by the greedy managers. There are girls spread around but nothing great.
Bamboo Bar as was mentioned but very dark and generally a lot of Arab guys smoking in it and as is their want, the girls tend to be a little heavy.
Bangkok Beat (formerly the Absolute Bar) on 7/1 but its a small palce with tables and a band, not the best set up for a quick hit on a fl + many of the girls there are with guys already or are just out for a night with friends.
Gullivers on Soi 5 - but a lot of the girls are there to play pool and it dies down early around midnight. It has a lot less girls than it used to.
Beer Garden stays open late but I have rarely seen a decent looking girl there at night (and not many during the day).
New Wave also on Soi 7 but again its more of a pool hall than anything.
Thermae of course. It has gotten a bad rep because the many Japanese have pushed the prices up and the girls prefer them but I pulled some nice girls out of there on my last trip. Still the girls are in general better looking than any of the other FL pre-closing time girls and easy to approach. But I have seen some girls literally turn their backs on Farangs.
Climax (formerly Spice) in the parking garage of the Ambassador on Soi 11. Haven't been there for a year or so and at least for a while they were having their closing times messed with by the cops - but if things are normal there are a lot of girls that come late - ie after 1am - but its a real pain for anyone past 35 - loud, crap music, very dark, very crowded with many girls sitting at small tables in obscure lighting who don't look like they care all that much if they get biz for the night. I have got girls from there in the past but usually because I run into some girl I know who then introduces me to other girls.
The Freelancer scene pretty much sucks in Bangkok these days. Its much better in Pattaya but starts late there.
The Freelancer scene pretty much sucks in Bangkok these days. Its much better in Pattaya but starts late there.
I agree!
But why has the scene gotten worse over the years? I think it has to do with Thais becoming more prosperous and wealthier tourists arriving. Any thoughts?
I agree!
But why has the scene gotten worse over the years? I think it has to do with Thais becoming more prosperous and wealthier tourists arriving. Any thoughts?They were 2 rows deep in the Thermae the other night, great quality and great choice as well. Whereas a few nights before it was dismal. A buddy went to the Nana carpark and said the talent was awful, but when I got there an hour later, there was some excellent choice. I don't think the scene has gotten worse necessarily, it just depends on the day, sometimes fantastic, sometimes not.
I'm back in town after six months hard at work in the States. There are some questions about FLs in Bangkok, so here are some points I picked up last summer, and which continue these days (based upon my first full night on Sat night).
By FL, I'm talking about the girls who frequent clubs or SWs (not entirely distinct sets, but relatively little overlap). As someone posted recently, walking up and down Sukhumvit after midnight will reveal a great deal of potential. Last night, on my way home at 5:15am, the taxi came down Suk and I saw perhaps two dozen girls between Soi Nana and Soi 11. Of those two dozen, perhaps four were serious head-turners.
But on to the point of my report - nightclubs. There is a well established trifecta of scenes in BKK for the girls to head to - this information was given to me by a girl in the summer time who was a seasoned veteran of the night scene in BKK. This at the tender age of 26. There actually is a fourth, but that one sucks IMHO, so I wont count it in the trifecta (otherwise I would need to figure out what the corresponding word is for four). The trifecta is as follows:
(Bed Supper Club)
Spice Club (now Climax)
Spicey
Bossy
So Bed Supper Club is the one that I dislike. It is on Soi 11, just past Climax. It is a weird building, made out of sheet metal, with translucent walls so you can see the throbbing neon lights from inside. I hate this place, actually, since it is full of white guys wearing linen shirts and overly gelled heads. No offense to white guys, or those who like gel, but when you have a large number of similar looking people, and you don't fit in, you are not likely to enjoy yourself there. The girls in there know what kind of crowd goes there, so I got no interest at all. By the way, I am brown skinned, dark haired, early-thirties, athletic, American. But I am not caucasian.
Climax is on Soi 11, in the Ambassador hotel. It opens sometime before midnight, but does not get going until around midnight (probably a little later than that). I like getting there early (midnight), grabbing a table with a view (and where I can be seen) and just watching the talent. It gives me the power to choose, rather than walking into a full room of eye balls on your back, if you know what I mean. Climax goes until 2am on weeknights, and 4am on weekends. I have heard that the police are cracking down, but I can tell you that Climax was roaring at 3am yesterday.
The girls at Climax are a mix of straight-up working girls (many of the pool hall girls from Gullivers go here after midnight or so), semi-professionals, and real-life girls looking for some fun and some cash on the side. Each has its own charms - the pool hall girls are a little dodgy since they all talk to each other, and so once you are with one of them, it is really hard to try another. Not impossible, but hard. The semi-professionals are a good group, since they don't have any hangups, and they are not as organized as the poolhall girls. And the amateurs are hit and miss - if you catch a star fish, then you are in for a tough night, but you could just as easily get a firecracker, which has happened to me on many occasions, making it well worth the gamble.
The gentlemen here are a mix, more so than Bed Supper Club. The preponderance of ethnicities, I would say, is caucasian, but there are enough other ethnicities to make anyone feel comfortable. There are usually a couple of black guys (no more than that though), a couple of Indians, and a couple of Arabs. Then there are the various mixed ethnicities, mestizo if you will. The age range is from 18 to death, with the median probably around 32, 33.
Once Climax closes, the girls who are still looking (or partying) head to Spicey. This place is down Sukhumvit past MBK, turn left around a block past MBK, then a few minutes winding through alleys. The taxi will drop you off in a spot where the more safety-oriented amongst us would think twice about getting out, but it's ok. The area is dark, there are a dozen or so Thai males walking around menacingly. But when you get out, one of the menaces opens the door for you and says in surprisingly good English 'welcome to Spicy night club'.
Oh, thanks dude, that makes me feel better. So you are led through what looks like someones open-roof garage and into a dingy small room with a counter. You pay your 300B entry (which gets you one drink), and in you go. Alternatively, if there is a group of you, you could buy a Johnny Walker and that gets five people in, and you get treated like a high roller. The JW costs $1200B (I think, maybe 1500B?), so you lose nothing.
The room itself is dark and smokier than Climax. The gentlemen here are a little less gentle than at Climax. The mix of ethnicities is decidedly darker, and the feel of the club is a lot grittier, rougher. I was there last night and I saw two fights involving punches and broken bottles. Not to scare you, but that kind of thing does not happen at Climax all that often. Just so you know, they have a zero tolerance policy for fighting. If you are involved, whether you are the instigator or the victim, you get tossed by a goon who has hands the size of my flat-screen tv - I mean they are huge frikkin hands. He reaches over and puts them around the back of the fighting pup's neck, and as soon as that happens, the fighter realizes how huge these hands are, and he amazingly stops struggling and falls limp, as if knowing that to resist hands like these would be futile. It's worth going just to see this guys hands, really.
The girls are a mix too, but there is definitely talent on display here. The club has a looser feel, and so the girls are a little less conservative than at Climax. I think Climax is like a softer, gentler version of Spicy. It starts earlier, the girls are a little more prissy, the guys don't get into fist fights. I arrived at Spicy at 1:30 on a Sat night, and it was positively depressing. The room was around 1/3 full, about 60% girls, all looking at me (which is a nice thing). But it is really hard to get any action going when the room is this empty. I thought I was in for a dead night, but it worked out ok. See my next post for that.
The third club is Bossy, which is in the Pratunam area. This place is thought of as the after-Spicy club. Spicy is supposed to close at 4am, but last night I was there until just past 5am - maybe weekends it is open earlier. Bossy is a cool place- perhaps my favorite of all three. It has a rough feel to it, like Spicy, but somehow it is more glitzy. You pay the same cover charge, and when you walk in, you are on an elevated platform where you get a view of the stage to the right, and the dancing mass of bodies right in front of you. There is an elevated seating area against one wall, which seems like a pointless place to be. But you can walk through the crowd, look for your poison, circle a couple of times, and then return to the general vicinity of the girl you picked out and try to work your magic. The crowd here is also mixed, with enough brownies and blackies to make a guy like me comfortable, and enough whities to make any ethno-phobes comfortable. It is still a white-dominated crowd, but it doesn't blind the eye, so to speak. Sorry to be this graphic with the ethnic descriptions, but a lot of people wonder about these things, and so I am just trying to be descriptive. No offense to anyone.
This place goes late, although I have never been there when they closed. I have always managed to snag some little lovely and head on back to the hotel well before closing.
One more thing: I *think* that if you take a cab with more than two people in it to Bossy, you do not need to pay the cabbie, since the club will pay him. That's an added perk.
Gullivers on Soi 5 - but a lot of the girls are there to play pool and it dies down early around midnight. It has a lot less girls than it used to.
Beer Garden stays open late but I have rarely seen a decent looking girl there at night (and not many during the day).
New Wave also on Soi 7 but again its more of a pool hall than anything.
Thermae of course. It has gotten a bad rep because the many Japanese have pushed the prices up and the girls prefer them but I pulled some nice girls out of there on my last trip. Still the girls are in general better looking than any of the other FL pre-closing time girls and easy to approach. But I have seen some girls literally turn their backs on Farangs. I took a tour of all these places last night. Gullivers and the beer garden were filled with dudes. Probably a 3:1 ratio of guys to girls. Most of the girls were already there with dudes, and the ones that weren't were sitting with their friends not looking too approachable. Saw a few cute ones in the beer garden, but nothing that really pulled me.
I don't really like the setup at these places, with everyone sitting down. It's too much like bars back in the US, where you have to awkwardly approach a girl sitting with her friends. They'd be much more enjoyable if people were standing walking around mingling.
New Wave I stayed in for about 45 seconds. It was just a bunch of pool tables.
Thermae I went at 8:30 so it was still empty. Might try it again.
Also tried the two Hillary bars on Soi Nana. Again, more guys than girls and the girls weren't that interested or interesting.
Only talked to about 3 girls total from all of these places.
Ended up back at the gogos in Soi Cowboy. Got another girl who was supposed to be a short timer and was still in my bed at noon the next day. Left easily after that though. Sweet girl.
Very nice post Kumbu - informative, well written. My problem is that I just can't make it for those kind of hours any more. Once you hit 50 something chemical kicks in and you want to be tucked in by some cutie by 2am!
I agree!
But why has the scene gotten worse over the years? I think it has to do with Thais becoming more prosperous and wealthier tourists arriving. Any thoughts?
It is one of the great questions that all my freelancer fan friends ask each other and no one has come with a good answer. I think it started at Nana. First the disco fell out of favor and that had a knock-on effect on the parking lot that is a pittance of what it used to be. You also had the cops arresting the girls there - whether at the behest of the Nana Hotel mgt I am not sure - and so what had been the best early FL location just dried up. So where did they go? I don't know! Certainly not to the other FL joints in the area. The ones I know from the old days pretty much began going to the late night discos - the places Kumbu talks about. Others I know migrated to Pattaya, Koh Samui and Phuket. Others got taken out of the game by sponsors, babies, boyfriends etc. That of course was always going on - the difference is that there are not a lot of new young pretty ones replacing them. Again why not? Really no idea. People were forecasting that the bad economy would drive hordes of girls into the biz but I saw no evidence of that. In fact the bad economy has driven some girls back to the village where living is cheap because they were getting so little business from customers and the ones they did were all low-balling them.
Maybe new girls prefer the security of establishments now - beer bars, massage parlors and go-go places - where they at least get a salary (if they bring in some business) and are not hassled by the cops. Maybe there are just fewer girls coming into the sex trade - a trend that nearly every country goes though as it develops economically and becomes more of a global player. All I know is that the fl scene is probably 20% of what it was 10 years ago and 35% of what it was 5 years ago and 50% of what it was 2 years ago. It has been a steady decline in both quantity and quality in Bangkok.
Ronin, I agree with you Re: the fatigue factor. I'm no spring chicken any more, and I do have difficulty dealing with sleeping at 6am. I don't do it often, but when I do, I go whole hog. The beauty of it is that after you have met a beauty who floats your boat in one of these places, and you get her number, when that mid-week urge arrives, you can call her up, take her out to a nice dinner, ply her with some wine and wine cooler, take her back, do the beautiful thing for a couple of hours and still be tucked away before 1am. So you can think of the late-night jaunts as laying the foundation to later, easier lays.
So as my last post indicated, I arrived at Spicy at 1:30 am to a scene that was not worth the trek out there. I ended up watching Everton kick Citeh's ass on the big screen. There were a couple of cuties dancing on the stage which offered the occasional groin tingle, but not more than that. They were very, very young, like 19-ish, which is a definite no-no for old Kumbu. I'm not that old. But a girl that young is going to have a tight, sexy body and not know a damned thing about using it to pleasure you. So it is not worth the effort.
Some cute girls off to the left were eyeballing me, but with no intention to advance. And a late-thirties fatty in front of me kept trying to make googly eyes with me. I fended off the ocular advances with mild acknowledgment followed by confirmed indifference. That kept her at bay. She was with a smokin hot girl, curly brown hair, beautiful eyes, gentle porcelain skin, and long striking legs. Mmmph, I wouldn't mind a piece of that pie. But some pit boss with a Spicy shirt came over and poured himself a drink from their stash of Johnny Walker, which means the girl was his. I ain't crossing the pit boss, that's for sure.
I noticed a white guy to my left wearing a baseball cap and dancing all funny-like, trying to blend in and seem like he was not self-conscious. But of course he was. This guy we shall label Goofy, for reasons that will become apparent later on. So Goofy kept approaching girls and trying to dance with them. The girls, bless their hearts, would entertain him for 60 seconds or so, so as to allow him to save some face, and then firmly reject his advances. Dude, it was painful to watch, but he kept trying. I figured he would eventually hit pay dirt, but sadly, it ended badly for Goofy. More on that later.
Also to my left was a lone Indian guy. He looked really out of place. He was middle aged (maybe 45ish?), hair combed with a part on the left side, bespectacled, wearing khakis and a long sleeved shirt. He looked uncomfortable, and alone, and I feared his night would end that way.
A variety of other characters were around, none worth mentioning at this point. Anyway, I watched as Mancini winced and grimaced at the neckless Bellamy's antics (sorry City fans), and rejoiced when the final whistle went, thinking that my Gunner's third place is more and more safe at this point. Not that third place is where we will end up - we WILL be champions this season, despite the 7-1 thumping Chelski put down on The Bruce. Ok, sorry, I digress, but that is just to show you that there really was not much happening for a good long time - enough to watch an entire second half of football. (Yes, I am American, and I love the EPL - I strive to break stereotypes).
So the game ends and I look around, and by this time it is 2:30am. Boy, this place really filled out. The room was around 70% full now, and there was a definite vibe to the place. Goofy was still bumping around trying to get the same four or five girls to go with him, except he was now doubly drunk, and staggering a little. The Indian dude was seated at the same table, perhaps not having moved a muscle in the last 45 minutes, with an awkward circle of empty space around him (why was no one near him??). Meanwhile, the table behind me had been filled by some people, and I noticed the girl behind me started to dance close to me. She kept nudging me a little with her elbows, rubbing the small of her back against me every so lightly. I peaked over to see if it would be worth reciprocating (don't want to get entangled with a godzilla), and what I saw was pleasant. Not over-the-top fantastic, but quite pleasant. The girl was wearing tight jean shorts, revealing superb legs (I am a definite leg man). She had a leopard-print sleeveless top on, revealing a somewhat flat chest (not a problem for me), and a face that would probably be 6 on the Kumbumeter. Her booty was not humungous, but shapely and well worth some attention. So overall, she got a 7. Not bad. Given the late hour, I thought I should get started, so I waited until she bumped me again, and I turned in as non-threatening manner as I could. She was ready for me, and she motioned for me to join her dancing.
So up I went, careful not to move in too quickly - there's nothing worse than Mr.Gropy. But before I had a chance to swing a hip, her hand went onto my shoulder, wrapped around the back of my neck, and her hips ground into mine. Umm, hello?
Her eyes were closed, so I took this opportunity to do a quick look-over, kick the tires so to speak. Her legs were really superb - well shaped, lengthy enough, nice skin. Her skin was a little dark, which is great because given the functioning of Thai society, it meant she was a little low on self confidence - perfect for a shark like myself. Her face was very...angular. Very high cheek bones, a prominent chin, large wide eyes, angled upwards - a very striking face indeed. Many people might think of her as odd looking, but she looked really quite pretty to me. And I knew this was in the light of the nightclub, so everything looks better. But knowing that, I still approved.
She said nothing to me for 10 minutes, until she leans in and motions for me to bend down so she can tell me something. I was expecting something like 'My name is...' or 'I'm tired, you want to go back to your hotel room together?' But instead, she said 'I'm...REEEEEAAALLLY....drunk....'
Mmm, ok. She was too. She was tipping over, leaning into me and resting her head on my chest, eyes rolling back in her head, phew. But in the meantime, she would turn around and grind her ass into my cock as shamelessly as I could have ever imagined. She also reached back and discreetly rubbed my cock a little with her hand - a strict no-no in Thai culture. You don't exhibit sexuality to that degree in public. Her friends were aghast - 'we've never seen her like this before'.
We ground like that for an hour or so. It was great - my penis was fully erect at times, it was a little uncomfortable, but GREAT! It made her tipping over and crooning very tolerable.
Her friends were these two stunningly gorgeous girls, neither of whom were interested in any one other than themselves. I never even thought about moving on one of them, even though they were each 9.5s physically. They both had skin-tight tank tops on, push up bras which made their boobs seem ridiculously ample, skin tight jeans which revealed large, plump bootays, and faces to die for. I mean, these girls were drop-dead gorgeous. But the attitude was clearly a negative, so I stayed clear.
But poor Goofy didn't pick up on that. He approached the girl in white and tried to make touchy-touchy with her. Her friend pushed him away, and said that they were all with me. Me?!? Umm, ok. So now I am the body guard? So Goofy did not buy this. All three girls with this guy? But that was their story and they stuck with it. So Goofy stumbles off, pushing people out of his way, not out of aggression, but sheer drunkedness. But Goofy would keep re-appearing every 10 minutes to try his luck with this girl, and they stuck to the same story. I actually think Goofy was so drunk that he forgot that he had been rebuffed, and so he kept going back thinking it was his first time. Sad really - to be continually rejected for the first time, every ten minutes.
But after the fifth or sixth time, he finally got a little angry, and as he stumbled away from us in rejection, he stumbled a little heavier than he should have into an angry Arab-looking guy. This guy was in his mid-twenties, wiry but definitely not afraid to fight. In a flash, the Arab punches Goofy right in the jaw. Pop, screams, shuffling, and suddenly the flashlights from the bouncers were everywhere.
Nobody could figure out what happened, and nobody was telling the bouncers who did what, but they knew someone did something. Goofy was wailing about how he had been popped in the jaw, and the Arab was shouting obscenities while being held back by his girl (his girl? Really?).
So here's the lesson, gentlemen. The gorgeous girl who was 'with me', i.e., the one who Goofy kept hassling - she quietly walks over to the head bouncer, whispers something in his ear. He points his flashlight into Goofy's eyes, and she nods. The bouncer lifts his flashlight, points it into Goofy's face, and with his other hand, points to Goofy. Then, from behind the crowd, emerged the man with the hands. His gigantic hands were obviously his only asset. He reminded me of Jaws from the early 1980s James Bond movies - he had these metal teeth, and that's all he was good for. This guy had hands the size of a Mini Cooper, and that was his means of livelihood. He pushed though the crowd and approached Goofy, who had been marked by the boss. Goofy was being held by three other bouncers, but he was squirming and wiggling trying to tell them that he got hit, and he did not hit anyone. They were hearing none of it. But his wriggling and squirming got feverishly high, getting more intense as The Hands approached.
The right hand reached out, around the back of Goofy's neck, and as the pressure tightened down around the neck, Goofy went limp. I mean, he totally went limp, like he knew there was nothing he could do - resistance is futile. They led Goofy out like that, never to be seen or heard from again. The lesson - don't fuck with anyone in a place like this. The gorgeous girl could easily have stayed out of it, but Goofy was an irritant, and she did what needed to be done to expel the irritant from her environment. Whether it was just or not, Goofy was tossed because he bothered the wrong lady.
Everyone was kind of stunned. The music was going through all of this, and everyone started dancing soon thereafter. My girl was a little depressed by it all, but we soon got back to the grind. The music went, she gyrated, and I groped, that's how the next hour went by.
Out of the corner of my eye, I saw the Indian guy still in his location, same drink in front of him, no one around him. Poor guy.
Then at around 4am, another fight broke out - this time with a bottle being broken on someones head. The timing really sucked too, because my fully-erect penis was being bumped by the butt flesh of this totally drunk girl, and then some guy has to go and get his head bashed in with a Heineken bottle. How inconsiderate. Blah blah, flashlights, blah blah, "He's a muther fucker man!", blah blah, The Hands...limp...dragged out and tossed...things go back to normal.
So come 4:30, my girl's friends get tired. They decide they want to bail. I'm looking at my girl (I don't even know her name actually), who I really do want to bone, but who is drunk out of her mind. I needed to make a decision. She was clearly waiting to go home with me. But did I want to do that? On the one hand, drunk can be good. Girls will do shit they never would while sober. But THIS drunk is not a good thing. She could get home and pass out - very likely in my opinion. And then there was the thing the girl friends kept saying - 'we've never seen her do this before'. That troubled me. I got the feeling that once I got her back home, me horny as hell, her drunk as hell, she would suddenly clam up and become scared and frightened.
So I decided to bail. I told her I needed to work the next day (Sunday???), and took her number. Only then did I discover her name. And I ran out of there as quickly as I could. Sounds like a bummer, but read on.
On a happy note, as I was leaving, I spied out of the corner of my eye, the Indian guy being totally mauled by a frumpy young girl with an over-sized square head. He looked delighted, and she seemed to be having fun. That put a smile on my face. It took a while, but Indian dude got his freak on with someone. By the way, my description of him as an Indian dude should not in any way lead you to believe that all Indian dudes will have it this difficult. It was really his awkwardness that was the problem, not his ethnicity. I suppose I should have called him Awkward dude, but 'awkward' is a difficult word to type - try it. So I called him Indian dude.
I took the taxi back, and as we were going up Sukhumvit, I saw dozens of SWs. I got out at Soi 11 and doubled back, looking for one girl I saw near the (now closed) Starbucks. She had a purple dress on which was short, short short, revealing legs I could sink my teeth into (did I mention I am a leg man?) She was standing there, and as I approached, she seemed to know what had happened to me this night. She seemed sympathetic to my cause, and agreed immediately to go with me. Perhaps it was the soon-to-be-rising sun. We walked up to my hotel (took around 10 minutes) and we talked. She was charming, had some pretty good English. She was 27, one kid, from the South (although her skin was quite light), worked as a cell phone saleslady, did this for extra cash and some fun.
So, we got back to the hotel, she showered first, me next, when I got out she had crept beneath the covers. I slowly pulled the covers off, with some resistance, to reveal a slightly hefty belly, some stretch marks around the hips, but an overall very tasty looking after-dancing treat. We did the normal fair, lasting somewhere between 30 and 45 minutes (I was tired guys, come on). I should say that I did spend some time on those tasty legs, kissing, caressing, etc. She giggled and wiggled, but I had to have it. We then showered and slept. Woke up today at 11am, and to my surprise, she took me into her mouth without me even asking. Blew my load, we both showered together, and off she went. I paid her 1500B, which is probably above market rate, but she saved a potentially depressing night for me.
So there you go. That's my story. More to come as time permits.
There actually is a fourth, but that one sucks IMHO, so I wont count it in the trifecta (otherwise I would need to figure out what the corresponding word is for four). The trifecta is as follows:
(Bed Supper Club)
Spice Club (now Climax)
Spicey
Bossy
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Hi Kumbu,
Good report and follow-up.
The word for four is quadrella and for five it is quinella (my grandfather was serious with betting on horse races in my youth).
I'd add a fifth: Q Bar, just around the corner from BedSup Club. It has a GREAT vodka bar and has always been lots of playful FLs there, even when I've been with the Thai gf.
Also there is Concept CM2 (think was called Spasso perhaps) at the Novotel on Siam Square, but I've not been there for a few years. There is a report a little way back on the action there and their Facebook page very active.
I've had a great time every time I've been to Spice club, and have always scored great performers. While it is a bit dark, a few circuits or a well positioned table has always paid dividends for me.
The word for four is quadrella and for five it is quinella
Good to know. I was thinking it should be something like quadfecta, but I suppose that would be too regular.
As for Q Bar and CM2 (and Spasso, actually), let me give you my two bits about those places.
Q Bar is indeed a cool joint to hang out at. It usually has some pretty little things willing to give you those oh so penetrating glances when you least expect it. And it closes early, so for you early nighters, this might be the trick. But in my experience (three times in the last year), the girls who you hook up with here are really not willing to call it a night when Q bar closes. They want to party, and Spice Club (Climax) is usually the next stop. And perhaps on from there. Plus Q bar is very small - maybe 100 people can fit in there max, right? And the cover is 500B, which is quite steep. So it's a good place to hang once in a while, but I would not say it is as reliable a joint as the other three I mentioned. You might go there first, with plans to hit Climax next.
Been to CM2 in the Novotel (Spasso is in the Hyatt, see below), and I did not like it much. The girls seemed far less attractive, and there is too much light in there. It makes the whole thing a little weird. Plus their band really sucks, I mean, really. So listening to that music all night long is just so tortuous that whatever lovely you end up with probably will only just cancel out the music.
And finally, Spasso. I have mixed feelings about this place. The clientèle are higher end than at other places, and the girls know this. As such, the girls typically expect 3000B or more. Six months ago I tried this place twice, both times with girls who were hot as hell in the summertime. They each asked for 5000B to begin with, and we negotiated down to 3000B. And the service was just so-so. 3000B for so-so service from a drop-dead gorgeous hottie...sounds like a gogo girl experience to me. Plus the band here is even worse than the one at CM2 (well, actually, it's a toss up).
So if I were coming to Bangkok for the first time, alone or in a group, looking for something other than the gogo bar experience, then I would do something like the following:
Climax at midnight...failing that,
Spicey at 2am...failing that
Bossy at 3:30am...failing that,
Sukhumvit for SWs...failing that,
Porn on my laptop, get a good nights sleep so I can repeat the next night.
I and as I can see many of the other writers here found it hard to find good summaries on Bangkok (that's why I wrote mine).
Definitely, by investing a lot of time you can go through the reports of distinction, but once there are hundreds of reports this is a challenge. All depends how much time you're willing to invest.
I experienced the same problem in many other very popular places, one good idea would be to open an additional section that only has summary reports. Many places already have something like this (see Bubba Boy's Brazil Forum that helped with with so many wonderful experiences in Brazil!) and I think those places are highly appreciated.
@Jackson: maybe you consider this idea. Not for every forum, but for the "overcrowded" places I believe it will help a lot and further improve your site.
Kumbu,
This was such a great post. Please more like this. I could feel the tension, excitement etc that you wrote about. Very well written and very informative. If you are not already you would make a great writer.
i arrived on the 7th and booked into ll. first night met up with a mate just on his way out, had a few too many and went to bed. second night i looked up this one girl met before in dundees (of all places!) ploy, don’t remember number. she is a load of fun, but in thai fashion incredibly lazy and irresponsible. but the girl is a laugh and a half. 2000 for as long as you want, but i tipped her 600 by bf her for the next night – she perfectly happy with that. met up with reqular girl apple about a week ago. this girl is a doll, and a class act. maybe i am getting old, but when i find a lass that just does it for me i can not change. she leaves on tuesday, me wednesday. nothing else interesting to report, wonderfully boring i might add. except the other night, over dinner mentioned i saw this place called demonia just down the soi from ll. she pops out yes, she knows of it and entry fee is 900 baht. i ask how she knows this, she says never been but was looking on internet. can’t say it is really my thing, as above, i am relatively boring…, however this got my interest, and we said we would walk down and have a peek, maybe a drink. it is 900 each for non members, but includes first drink. we sit down, and they start a bit of a show for us with two dommes and a slave. well one thing leads to another and we are in one of the back rooms with one of the girls from the “show”. apple advise she was to be played with by both of us. nothing too hardcore, but an interesting experience. i think the damage was 4,500 additional.
i want to compliment once again g & s and the staff at ll, it is the most enjoyable place i have found for a working holiday. might not be everyone’s fancy, but i find it difficult to think about staying anywhere else once i am here.
Uncle Volodya
01-17-10, 18:49
But on to the point of my report - nightclubs. There is a well established trifecta of scenes in BKK for the girls to head to - this information was given to me by a girl in the summer time who was a seasoned veteran of the night scene in BKK. This at the tender age of 26. There actually is a fourth, but that one sucks IMHO, so I wont count it in the trifecta (otherwise I would need to figure out what the corresponding word is for four). The trifecta is as follows:
(Bed Supper Club)
Spice Club (now Climax)
Spicey
BossyGreat posts dude! What about adding Thermae to the FL pantheon? I took a couple of young smoking hot chicks form there 2 years ago for little money (Long Time 2000-2500).
Not a place to hang out (think Star Wars Creature Cantina full of middle aged white dudes). But you go in, get a beer, make the rounds, find something you like, chat her up (see if there is any chemistry) and move on to the next one or seal the deal and leave. You can be done in an hour or less and then move on to the next place with the girl (a good idea to establish a connection) or home for some sexy-time. Like I said I picked two winners form there on my last trip.
Have fun!
Brian Craven
01-17-10, 22:38
I know you have already discussed all basic issues and questions on bangkok sex scene but as there are too many topics I would ask you to do me a favour. Would anyone be so kind and tell me which are the best places in Bangkok and Pattaya to get girls.
I know there are districts such as Nana, Soi Cowboy and Patpong in Bangkok but which clubs should I visit to get girls? How much do they normally cost for lt and st? Is is cheaper to take a girl from the street? Are all the streets where girls can be found aroud these main sex areas?
What a lovely narrative :-) Thanks Kumbu ..
Also to my left was a lone Indian guy.
I'll latch onto this to mention that two nights ago I was strolling past Suzie Wong and overheard the place turning "members only" again for a couple of Indian guys ..
Only then did I discover her name. And I ran out of there as quickly as I could.
What did her name tell you?
On a happy note, as I was leaving, I spied out of the corner of my eye, the Indian guy being totally mauled by a frumpy young girl
Yay! :-D
Kumbu, thanks for your reports on the club scene. I have only just started exploring that side of BKK, and it's a nice alternative to the go-gos. I haven't been to any of the places you mention, but on my last trip in September I went to RCA (Hollywood) which I really liked. Didn't see many farang there, maybe just a handful or two including myself. I've passed by the Bed Supper Club on many occasions, and judging from the people waiting in line, your description of the clientele is right on the money. Although it's been around for quite a few years, it has this air of artificial or self-conscious hipness that I don't really dig. Nice exterior though. It's not that I mind cool places, I guess I'm just more a man of the people when it comes to going out. I'll be back in LOS for two weeks in mid-February, part work, part holiday, and if you're still around, how about hitting town together one night? I'm in my early thirties like yourself, and from what you write in your reports, it sounds like we won't be fighting over the same girl too much of the time. (Sigh, I'm a sucker for the 18-21 year-olds).
Climax at midnight...failing that,
Spicey at 2am...failing that
Bossy at 3:30am...failing that,
Sukhumvit for SWs...failing that,
Porn on my laptop, get a good nights sleep so I can repeat the next night.
I'll latch onto this to mention that two nights ago I was strolling past Suzie Wong and overheard the place turning "members only" again for a couple of Indian guys.Its unfortunate that Indians tend to get the reputation of spending very little money ("cheap charlies"). I know not all are like this so it can be unfair. I was in Suzi 2 nights ago and was very full. I'm always welcomed with open arms no matter what, because I am known to end up with a long bill including lady drinks.
Took a "trifecta" of pseudo-bi-sexual girls back to my room for a private show and orgy. All skinny girls but one had very nice tits. All 3 are known to be very much into the sex. A very good remedy after a period of abstinence.
Hi all,
thanks to everyone for their positive words, I appreciate it. I enjoy writing reports which have some flavor and convey the real sense of what I am feeling. It's hard, but it's good to get feedback suggesting I am at least coming close. Some people can't stand my style of writing (too long winded, they just want the facts), and to those, I apologize. Not that I will change how I write.
So this is a quick note, but I will post a longer report on last night's trip to Climax a little later.
The note is this: at 8:30am on a Monday morning, on my way to work after having had less than 3 hours of sleep that night, and 2 hours of sleep the night before that (read: total zombie state), I decided I really needed to drop by Starbucks. So I walk over to the one on Sukhumvit at Soi 5. the air was very un-Bangkok-like - it was crisp and cool, and very, very clear, making the light sharp and vivid. I really quite enjoyed it this morning. Anyway, as I approached the Starbucks, I saw three working girls standing outside trolling for customers. Mind you, this was 8:30. In the Morning. On a Monday.
As I entered, all three of them were giving me the Death Star Tractor Beam stare. Granted, they all looked like something the cat would not bother dragging in, yah, it was pretty bad, but STILL! It's 8:30 in the frikkin' a.m.!
Even in my semi-deathly state, I was not going near that shit, so I went on in, ordered my Grande Americano and stumbled out. As I left, some tall white dude picked up the prettier of the three (that's a very relative term) and was walking off for a morning romp.
You gotta love this city.
i had a long, long day on sunday. i had the encounter with the drunk leggy girl on sat night at spicy, and i had to work all day sunday, starting at 9am. so i was in a deathly state all day. i got back to the hotel, napped for a few hours, grabbed some dinner at that 24 hour place near the corner of soi 11 and sukhumvit, and sauntered over to climax. by now it was late, something like 1am.
on my way, a tuk-tuk driver approached me (as i saw this, i knew to just book it past the guy - don't give him any kind of in, or else you are in danger of something, don't know what, but something bad). he approaches me, and i speed up my walk a little to shuttle past him, as i do, he bows to me, puts his hands together and say 'namaste'. huh?
it took me by surprise, and it took several seconds for me to even recognize what he said to me, by which time i was well past him. and so i could not even express my indignation. but i get that a lot - are you indian? namaste! are you arab? salaam alaikum! are you mexican? hola! i'm used to it, but it still kinda irks me. must be like being korean or chinese or some kind of other asian and everyone says konnichi waa to you.
so i get in to climax at 1:15am, pay the 300b cover (which gets you one free drink). at this point, i remember all the reports on this board which suggest the cops are cracking down, so they close early. i asked the girl what time they close today (sunday), and she said 5am. no ifs, ands or buts, just a flat answer. so i guess the reports of their demise have been greatly exaggerated.
i walk in and the place is just hopping! it is not packed shoulder-to-shoulder, but it sure ain't empty. the ladies on display were definitely choice grade. i mean they were all young little things, energetic, smiling, perky, and very enjoyable to look at. i walked in, making eye contact with about a dozen hot little jalapenos along the way. i stopped in the middle of the place and surveyed the landscape. i put on an air of 'this is my kingdom, let me see what is in it'. i felt like charleton heston in one of those movies, either the ten commandments or ben hur, standing there with my chest pumped out, jaw sticking out, looking at everything with a scrutinizing disinterest.
as i scanned the room, two lovely, lovely things just to my left caught my eye. they were both looking straight at me, death stare engaged. jeez, the power of eye contact, it is just ridiculous - my balls don't just tingle when that happens, they positively buzz. so somehow my eyes made contact with all four of theirs at the same time (something i thought was geometrically impossible), and they stayed locked for perhaps 800 milliseconds, which in eye-lock terms is plenty. it says 'i see you, i like you, but i am not desperate enough to keep looking at you, and so i am going to be the one to break eye contact now. but i gave you 800 milliseconds, so you should not be offended, ok beautiful thing?'
so i looked away, about 5 feet to their left, so they were still in my peripheral vision, but so that my eyes were clearly looking elsewhere. and through my peripheral vision, i saw the two girls huddle and giggle. nice. you still got it, you old fart.
i stood there and decided tonight was for teasing, for laying the groundwork for future endeavors. i was exhausted, and really, really needed to sleep (i had work the next morning at 9am). deciding not to pick up a girl on a particular night is immensely liberating. it's like a great pressure has been eased and you can play around a little.
so here's what i did. i pulled out my phone and started to fiddle with it, making it seem like i was really focused on whatever the hell was on that phone. truth be told, there was nothing there, i was just trying to give the girls the impression that lots of people are texting me, and i am considerate enough to text them back, even when i am in the middle of a dance floor at a club called climax.
occasionally, i would peek over (not directly, but so that they would be in my peripheral vision again), and true to my plan, at least one of them was looking over at me each time. cool. now to step it up a gear.
i put my phone away with a great show of effort, and then i turned slowly to look directly at them again. this time, my eyes locked with only one of them, the other happened to be looking away. i gave her 1200 milliseconds this time, and then broke it off and walked in the opposite direction.
i walked around the club (which is organized in a circle around the djs booth). i walked back past the restrooms, surveying the talent as i went, and around towards the door again. i learned this tactic from this one time when i went on safari in africa and stood out in the rain for four hours from midnight to 4am as i watched a lioness circle around a pond to come up behind an antelope. the plan ultimately failed (the antelope sprung away with plenty of time to spare), but the patience and stealthiness of the move was something to admire.
so i circled around them and came up behind them. i stood behind them with a couple of other people between me and them, just waiting for one of them to look. sure enough, the other girl (who i had missed upon my departure) sees me, and she breaks a little smile. i smile back, just a tinge, and nod my head a little. she does a little hand wave, like 'hiya!', and this time i smile more fully.
i walked over and struck up the conversation. what's your name? where you from? you like the music? blah blah blah. i spoke to both girls, going from one to the next. then, after five minutes, i told them that i had to leave. they seemed very surprised. i said i work in the morning, but i will see them some other time. they agreed. no offers were made (five minutes is not enough time), and we left it at that.
here's what this does. it sets me up for a sure thing the next time i bump into any one of them. i need to remember their faces though, or else it could all backfire on me. i learned this in july when a super, super hot girl that i met told me that she had been watching me in spice club (as it had been called back then) for more than a week, and she saw me go with two girls, but she saw me turn three away. she liked that. it said i had standards, and it said that more girls like me than i like girls, if that's grammatical to you. so my plan here, never before actually tested mind you, is to see if sowing the seeds today will give me a better harvest tomorrow.
so i left at around 3am. as i walked home, i bumped into a girl who i had rather acrimoniously dumped in the summer. luckily she was with two other guys and a girl, and so she couldn't kick me in the nuts the way i know she wanted to. they were coming from bed supper club, i guess (although, come to think of it, they close at 2am). anyway, this girl is not a working girl per se, but she spends her nights doing various guys for cash. but she doesn't need the cash since her parents give her plenty of money. so it's kind of a fun thing for her. my point in telling you this is that it is a very small community, and once you have been around the block a couple of times, you have probably got to look to other pastures. i may be approaching that point. actually, today i bumped into another such girl on the skytrain. dude, that's embarrassing.
so, it's late in the evening now, i need to eat. later, i will probably go by climax. if you happen to be there and see an early-mid thirties indian/arab/mexican who speaks english like none of those groups, standing with his chest pumped out and jaw protruding, looking around like ben hur, you know who he is.
hi,
i've visited soi cowboy (sc) several times the last two months and i just want to give an overview and my personal ratings of various bars. there are 5 main parameters that i review and give rates: cheerfulness of the girls (for me the most important aspect in a go-go bar that you want to spend a couple of hours), attractiveness of the girls, appearance of the bar, shows and nudity; i rate each parameter from 1 (worst) to 10 (best) except for nudity which i rate with 0 for no nudity, 1 for some (including skirts without underwear), 2 for topless and 3 for full nudity.
i am not giving any rate on the price of the drinks because to me it is almost the same. there is a variation from 130 to 150 baht for a drink (ecxept happy hours were drinks can go down to 60-75) but i really don't remember the various prices and i do not thing that this variation makes a big difference. regarding the lady drinks there is also some variation but not very big and in cases that there are some grey areas i try to spot them in my overall comments.
i do not give also any rate regarding the experience with the girl once you barfine her. my objective is to review the bars as a place that you can spend a couple of hours and not the girls. nevertheless my very short experience in bangkok has taught me something: the quality of the experience with the girl does not depend on the bar (or the mp) it depends entirely on the girl. the bar might help you though to establish a bond with the girl, a thing that can make both you and the girl more relaxed and “in love”.
finally i do not include basic information on location in the soi because i trust that a very simple google search will reveal even to the less experienced a good amount of information on basic issues. here it goes (bar's are refereed in alphabetical order):
afterskool:
small bar with 8-10 girls. basic setting with “aggressive” girls that try to sell you drinks. the bar has a “naughty corner” where hj is offered (don't know the price, i've never tried). in the second of my visits there one girl was offering bj in the “corner” but i didn't opt for.
cheerfulness: 5
girl's attractiveness: 5
bar's appearance : 5
shows: 2
nudity: 2
overall comment: i've been only twice there and it is not one of my favourites. the atmosphere is a bit depressing and the girls among the less attractive in the sc. the lady drinks (coke) cost only 90 baht.
apache:
another small bar with 5-8 girls. i've been there only once and i left even without finishing my drink. girls are dancing nude on the bar but that's all you get there.
cheerfulness: 4
girl's attractiveness: 6
bar's appearance : 5
shows: 2
nudity: 3
overall comment: the one and only time i visited the bar was totally empty (and that was a night where all other bars i visited were almost full). the girls are really bored and the place was depressing.
baccara:
i thing this is one of the biggest bar in sc or at least the decoration is very clever and it seems quite big. tons of girls 50+ and extremely loud music, unpleasant for my taste. a bit aggressive girls but nothing offensive. no shows (at least in my one and short visit) and slightly more expensive lady drinks (tequilas). in my single visit to baccara the places was packed and i stayed there briefly mainly because of the very loud music.
cheerfulness: 6
girl's attractiveness: 7
bar's appearance : 7
shows: ??
nudity: ?? (a number of other users are mentioning that there is nudity and shows in the baccara; i was there only for one drink one time and obviously i've missed the nudity and shows)
overall comment: nothing special.
dollhouse:
a rather small bar with a typical set up. i've been twice there and one night i found about 20 girls while another only 10-12. no shows, just dancing of the girls in 2-3 shifts.
cheerfulness: 5
girl's attractiveness: 7
bar's appearance : 6
shows: 1
nudity: 2
overall comment: nothing special and one serious flaw: in my second visit i spotted a clearly ****d girl there and that's a reason of not repeating a visit.
lucky star:
well, this is the right place if you want to enjoy the shows. the second of my top three favourites in the sc mainly because of the shows and the fact that the girls are the less aggressive there. the place is usually packed!
cheerfulness: 6
girl's attractiveness: 7
bar's appearance : 7
shows: 8
nudity: 3
overall comment: a place not to be missed from the one that wants to enjoy good shows. most of the dancers though do have an attitude and behave as big stars.
midnite:
despite some negative comments in other forums i found the bar very good. in my single visit in this average to big size bar i found 25+ girls, dancing, performing, and giving lap dances to customers. the night i was there one girl became very aggressive and attacked a customer. i'll not describe the entire story but i think that the customer deserved this kind of behaviour; yes we pay the girl's drink and we expect some intimacy but the guy was trying to fuck her on his table. i don't approve this kind of behaviour. the girl was also a “wild” species and things went wrong.
cheerfulness: 9
girl's attractiveness: 7
bar's appearance : 7
shows: 5
nudity: 3
overall comment: my rating might not be objective because i've been there only once but it definitely worth a visit and i'll go again. it might become the thirs one on my “top three bars” in sc (i am still looking for the third one). i do have the suspicion (but i am not sure because i' was in my 7th beer when i visited) that i spotted some ladyboys there and i might also bought a drink to one of them!
rawhide:
average to big bar, with fluorescent painting in the ceiling. good shows and very beautiful girls. the night i went there it was really packed and they put me in the corner where girls are standing when they are not dancing. interesting experience but limited point of view in the stage. girls are not aggressive also there.
cheerfulness: 7
girl's attractiveness: 8
bar's appearance : 7
shows: 5
nudity: 2
overall comment: an ok bar with the quality of the girls being it's main advantage. i could have given 9 to the quality of the girls but the average is down to 8 because there were a couple of really non attractive and old girls among the beauties.
seebas:
this is a bar of an average size. i've been there 4 times the last 3 months and i've spotted various number of girls each night ranging from 10 to 25+. one of the things i like in this bar is the “ping pong balls”. you buy 5 for 100 baht and you through them to the girl which try to catch them (i think they get 10 baht for every ball). if you have some money to spend take 25 balls and through them all together in the dancing girls! they get crazy. every time i2ve been in seebas there was an almost continuing show ranging from girls in body paint dancing, to live lesbian show (not their best), a man playing with flames, a mock up of a soapy massage (with loooot of foam!) and “wild” girls in short jeans and boots dancing in the waves of rock.
cheerfulness: 8
girl's attractiveness: 7
bar's appearance : 6
shows: 7
nudity: 3
overall comment: one of my top three favourites in sc that hasn't disappointed me ever. given the good experience i've had there with almost all the girls that i bought some drinks for them, i consider it number one if you want to spend a relaxing night in a friendly environment.
tillac:
this is a large bar with a big number of girls maybe more than 40. there is a slightly different set up from the other bars in sc (no central stage) and there are no shows there. the girls are attractive and spend quite a good amount of time with you when you buy them drinks.
cheerfulness: 7
girl's attractiveness: 8
bar's appearance : 7
shows: 1
nudity: 1
overall comment: i consider tillac as an appetizer, the bar “to start a long night” in sc. things seems to happen quickly there and most of the customers seems that they are there to bar fine a girl. it is a good option to start with tillac, have your first drink, see some nice girls and observe some pussies under the (not so) mini skirts. if you get hot you pick up your favourite star; if no you continue to the next bar to feed your appetite!
to wrap up: lucky star, and seebas are my two favourites so far and the midnite has good chances to become another favourite. afterskool and apach do not worth a second visit imho. tillac is a nice place to start with and maybe find very good quality of girls, while rawhide another good place with nice shows and beautiful girls. baccara and dollhouse are nothing special and dolhouse might be a no-no if it systematically has ****d girls.
of course ymmv but i just wanted to share my review with you.
have a good time at sc!
Stiffoak 571
01-19-10, 00:11
Have any of the recent posters seen any exceedingly large busted (D Cup)Thai beauties in their travels? If so, do tell...I am going to Bangkok and Pattya in March and can't wait to get my hands on those mams ...and get some bang on my kok! Thank you, fellow mongers!Be careful! big boobed Thai girls might have something extra for you - very few come naturally at that size and not all of them are girls!
Have any of the recent posters seen any exceedingly large busted (D Cup)Thai beauties in their travels? If so, do tell...I am going to Bangkok and Pattya in March and can't wait to get my hands on those mams ...and get some bang on my kok! Thank you, fellow mongers!I'm interested too.
Shoebridge
01-19-10, 03:16
I was in a pool hall on Soi 11 the other night, seemed like a classy place with a band and nice tables. Pretty girls helping us rack the balls and get us drinks. I just played a few games before moving on, but some of the other customers were grabbing the girls, who seemed ok with it. Looking back on it, I think I may have missed an opportunity. Should i assume any girl in a pool hall is p4p, I could have talked to her and figured it out discretely, or is that something that tends to not be on the menu at places like this?
Baccara: [...] Nudity: 0
You didn't go upstairs then? The girls there take their shirts off in shifts. They used to get nude too, but it's been a long time since I've seen that.
You didn't go upstairs then? The girls there take their shirts off in shifts. They used to get nude too, but it's been a long time since I've seen that.
They also have nothing on under the skirts, so can be seen through the glass floor from downstairs.
They have repeated this format in Pattaya.
Member #4698
01-19-10, 05:56
You didn't go upstairs then? The girls there take their shirts off in shifts. They used to get nude too, but it's been a long time since I've seen that.
They also have nothing on under the skirts, so can be seen through the glass floor from downstairs.
They have repeated this format in Pattaya.Baccara is one of my regular stops on Cowboy because I think their women are hot. I always check upstairs and down in my search for love and I have found the topless babes upstairs are not as pretty as the girls on main stage. Tities aside it appears the B team dances upstairs. IMHO.
I will check out Baccara Pat in 2 weeks. From what I have heard Baccara Pat has some strong competition down south. Which is good news for us.
AlLostInSpace13
01-19-10, 09:05
i was at the biergarten a couple of nights ago and i overheard this heated argument between an aussie and a "service provider". i didn't hear the whole thing word-for-word, but he accused her of being hiv and questioned her why she's still lingering at bg looking for customer. she protested that she had the right to be wherever she wanted. he then asked one of the waitresses why bg allow known hiv sex workers in the door and the waitress was kinda speechless...
the service provider got a bit aggitated. the waitress told her to calm down and she eventually left the premise.
al
You didn't go upstairs then? The girls there take their shirts off in shifts. They used to get nude too, but it's been a long time since I've seen that.
Indeed I didn't go upstairs. I was also away from the main bar so I didn't have a good view of the girls in the second floor. As I wrote Baccara was very noisy and packed full and I stayed there briefly.
Shoebridge
01-19-10, 11:32
I started our my trip in Pattaya, and came back to BKK for a few days before leaving. Here's a summary of what I found:
I stayed in the Majestic Suites. Good hotel, well located right on the corner of Napa Plaza, walking distance to Soi Cowboy, and right by the Nana Skytrain station, so from there you can get around the city easily.
A lot of this may be a repeat of the basics, so I'll try to move past that stuff quickly:
Nana Plaza. Some beer gardens, bunch of gogo's and more lady boys as the evening wears on. My favorite Gogo's were the one on the ground floor on the right hand side, all the way at the back, and the one on the top floor on the left as you get up the stairs. This last one had very pretty girls, but a very pushy mamasan, who I had to tell to bugger off several times. Picked up cute 18/19 year old girls from here. Barfine's were 600 and girls were asking for 2k short time, my friends and I had mixed success getting them down from there. Depending on time of night, chemistry etc. 1. 5k seemed their low ball offer. They pushed for ST, but if you can get them drunk or they like you and they sleep over, then you're golden for LT. One girl I took from here was a 9. 5+, 84lbs of 18 year old perfection. Obviously not the best lay, but she did try. She kept asking me to barfine her and take her to a club the next day, but I'm a butterfly, so nope.
Opposite NEP is Angels disco, which is ok for freelancers, I didn't go there this time around though. Lots of FL girls standing around late at night. 12. 2am or later.
Soapy Massage. Went to Angie's because it was close. Its a 5 minute walk from my hotel, so a nice way to start the day. 1, 700 for the fishbowl girls, 2, 500 for the hotter ones. I took a hottie, because I'm vain like that. For your money you get around 75 minutes of fun in the tub with lots of foam, stroking, cleaning, tit wank leading up to a BBBJCIM, a quick shower and then an average massage before another BBBJ leading to CFS. My girl, number 25 maybe (big cans) would not do anal, but the mamasan was helpful in pointing out those that do.
Nataree is the other one I know and recommend. Seems to cater more to asian tourists, but was recommended by a Caucasian I know living here. 2-3k depending on which girl you get.
I tipped 500 at Angie's and my friend 1k at Nataree (better service?).
Soi Cowboy. A 25 minute walk from the hotel, or 1 stop on the skytrain. 28 or so Gogo's and beer bars. My recommended bars:
Baccara. Just being discussed in the forums. I know this one well after my friends and I spent over 20k in there over a few nights. Downstairs the girls keep their shirts on, but upstairs there's a rotation to topless. There's also a glass ceiling with the girls above dancing on the glass. They wear short skirts and no panties, so if you stare long enough you get a Basic Instinct moment. Lots of Japanese and Korean guys there. A ton of women in the place any any one time, 75-100 as a guess, between both floors. Some very pretty girls, a few silicon enhancements and some nice young-uns. Ringing the bell is 2, 200, so limit how many times you do that. Its loud, I like the music and the girls are fun. The mamasan is also very nice and helpful. The girls are not supposed to negotiate on rates here 2k ST, 4k LT and 600 BF. As above, if the girl is tired or wasted and passes out she'll stay overnight with you for a ST fee. I had a decent time with #57 there. I was there a second night, must have been slower, as one girl suggested that her and 4 of her closest friends all head back to my hotel room together (if only I had the cash). Final note on this place, the girls wear the Thai University Uniform, which is amazing, so if for no other reason than seeing what looks like when 20 Thai students whip their titties out right in front of you, this place is worth a look.
Sharks. Some exceptional looking women, although I was growing tired of banging 9's and higher, and wanted a girl who'd work harder for her money, so moved on.
Long Gun. Best for its shows. If you don't go to Patpong and want to see a show this one has the vag smoking, trumpet playing and dart shooting antics amongst others. Sadly no goldfish (anyone know where I can get that?). There's also a decent cowboy dance show where the girls do impressive pole dancing moves and then slap their thigh high boots onto the ground as they come crashing down. The girl who does the vag tricks is clearly much less hot. This is a good warm up as there's zero hassle from the staff.
Deja Vu. I staggered in here late one night. A bunch of the girls cannot be barfined, and you can see them by their different outfits. However, with some smooth talking, and for the right 'donation' you can often get them to come see you after they finish work. There's one girl there, she dances on stage in black panties and a red tank top with a body to die for. 10/10. No idea what her name is, but I'd someone try her. By the time I saw her I was on my way out with another BF, so other than to run in, say Hi, ask the hottie's name, forget it and get yelled at by my BF, I wasn't able to maximize the value of that situation well.
Afterschool. Generally not so attractive girls, but after 5 minutes they'll suggest the Naughty Boy corner where you can get a HJ, or blown if you are lucky.
Toy. Similar to the above, but even less attractive women. While my friend was getting blown in Afterschool, I went here and was mobbed by three ladies, who started jerking me off. BJ not allowed at the moment apparently. They were hoovering down the ladies drinks and I was sat damn close to some guy, so despite a mouthful of tit and each hand up a pussy and three hands working me I realized that this was going to get pricey. So I grabbed the hottest one and took her upstairs to their ST room. Room was 250bt, girl was 400 (so cheap!). She was a 6, older than me (I'm 31), but didn't look it. The prettiest of the three, for sure. I tipped the other girls 200bt each and they were very happy with that. Upstairs and quick shower, before a BBBJ, CFS, and then CIM ("no eat! "). As I walked down 2 new girls I'd not seen suggested me head back up and I wouldn't have to pay another room fee! I declined and moseyed on.
Jungle Jims, Moonshine Joint, Fannys. Same MO as Toy bar.
Rio. Similar to Deja Vu, in that there are several different uniforms. I took a non-barfine-able girl home by meeting her after work. She stayed until midday the next day and I left her 2k in her jeans. She never asked for money.
Other. Eden was a place I meant to go visit, but didn't have the time. Or more rather, I did go there, but was drained from a previous encounter so didn't partake. I did meet and say Hello, to the owner and saw the girls. This is somewhere I do really want to stop by on a future trip, for what I hear will be the ultimate PSE.
Legit Massage. I had a few of these, always choosing what looked to be legit places, with older women, and have not yet found one where anal massaging and a little light stroking didn't precede the lady suggesting a BJ or more. For 300bt you get a good massage and a little titillation works wonders in building anticipation for whatever's next on the menu.
All in all a great trip. Too many beers. Too many bell rings and too much money spent. Time to start saving for the next one.
Thanks to those who helped offer insight and the great TR's that I relied on planning and acting this out
Shoe
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I was in a pool hall on Soi 11 the other night, seemed like a classy place with a band and nice tables. Pretty girls helping us rack the balls and get us drinks. I just played a few games before moving on, but some of the other customers were grabbing the girls, who seemed ok with it. Looking back on it, I think I may have missed an opportunity. Should I assume any girl in a pool hall is p4p, I could have talked to her and figured it out discretely, or is that something that tends to not be on the menu at places like this?It depends on the pool hall, 2 years back I took a lady out of a place called Players (near Asoke). Last year, I frequented a pool hall called Sportsmans (near Washington Square) and the policy there was that you could not barfine the ladies (at that time), although many made it clear that they would go with you after work or on their day off. Sometimes it's just best to discreetly ask the lady or even the management. There are some cuties in the pool halls, check out the place on the second floor above Thermae, not the street level bar, go by the front desk and go upstairs. There were some hotties there the last time I was there, and you always have Thermae as backup if you can't find anything to your liking.
M P Lurker
01-19-10, 13:07
Baccara is one of my regular stops on Cowboy because I think their women are hot. I always check upstairs and down in my search for love and I have found the topless babes upstairs are not as pretty as the girls on main stage. Tities aside it appears the B team dances upstairs. IMHO.
I agree and would add that there were completely nude shows including lesbian show a few weeks back (when I was there). Packed so best to get there not too late. All the really hot girls get taken early on.
Ralph Kramden
01-19-10, 13:21
Al
I haven't seen a comment like yours in this section for a long time. And it bears repeating from time to time because the greatest pitfall of doing street walkers and freelance bar girls is they are completely unregulated. This is the reason why have had only one that I can remember in 10 years of mongering in Thailand.
...Ben Hur...
My review of some Soi Cowboy Bars
Some great reports here recently, and from people I'd never seen posts from before (that I can remember at least).
Al
And it bears repeating from time to time because the greatest pitfall of doing street walkers and freelance bar girls is they are completely unregulated.
Unregulated in what way? How is the unregulation different for those working in gogos and other establishments?
Have any of the recent posters seen any exceedingly large busted (D Cup)Thai beauties in their travels? If so, do tell...I am going to Bangkok and Pattya in March and can't wait to get my hands on those mams ...and get some bang on my kok! Thank you, fellow mongers!
Be careful! big boobed Thai girls might have something extra for you - very few come naturally at that size and not all of them are girls!
It's out there guys, you just need to look. Just about a 'D' I reckon. All natural, all girl. Sukhumvit freelancer.
Unregulated in what way? How is the unregulation different for those working in gogos and other establishments?I suspect that the chances of picking up an STD in those establishments are slightly less than from a street-walker. Clubs and MPs have an interest in maintaining their reputations, and as you know some enforce regular testing and display certificates. Knowledge of a girl with an STD working at a well-known MP would be the kiss of death for such an establishment.
M P Lurker
01-20-10, 03:59
I suspect that the chances of picking up an STD in those establishments are slightly less than from a street-walker. Clubs and MPs have an interest in maintaining their reputations, and as you know some enforce regular testing and display certificates. Knowledge of a girl with an STD working at a well-known MP would be the kiss of death for such an establishment.
Its worth pointing out that at a good quality Soapy MP, firstly there is no danger of lady boys, they may have their own doctor to do health checks of the girls so that they can't be faked, and you can ask the cheer person (papsan/mamasan) which girls have really large naturals.
I'm sure Aey at Annies could recommend some girls with large tits, for example.
I prefer slim girls, so obviously I don't get D cups with them. Number B19 at Emmanuelle has magnificent tits on a slim girl though, but has been frequently absent.
But if I happened to meet a really stunning street walker with good attitudes, I might consider her.
M P Lurker
01-20-10, 04:26
Decided to look at Rainbow 4 once more, to see what all the fuss was about and why some guys prefer Nana Plaza.
Rainbow 4 has some girls totally nude now, but very few by 9.30 PM when I left. A very large selection of girls but only about 3 were very pretty to my taste (this is normal - I'm fussy and have my own spec). So if I went to Baccarra in Cowboy I might say only 3 were very pretty to my taste also.
At R4 a few oldish girls, a few had smoking bodies but ordinary faces, only a few were both pretty and had the body too. What about the rest? Most girls looked like children to me. i.e. looked very young and immature with average bodies. They try to distract you from the ordinary faces with big hair-dos often covering a lot of the face. A lot of weird wigs or excessive hair extensions. I didn't fine check.
The music? Some songs dancable in a sexy way, but a lot of hip hop and stuff too fast suitable more for disco dancing. Consequently the girls don't move much. Didn't spot a single "good" dancer. I would fire the DJ.
I think that R4 is catering for a younger clientelle and perhaps mainly for Japanese customers. Old guys like me are just not so impressed. I don't go for girls that look 16.
I would rather be back in Cowboy at Shark, Midnight, Baccara, etc. But I'll try Nana again soon, perhaps some other popular bars.
I had a long, long day on Sunday. I had the encounter with the drunk leggy girl on Sat night at Spicy, and I had to work all day Sunday, starting at 9am. So I was in a deathly state all day. I got back to the hotel, napped for a few hours, grabbed some dinner at that 24 hour place near the corner of Soi 11 and Sukhumvit, and sauntered over to Climax. By now it was late, something like 1am. I was also at Climax on Sunday night.
Got there around 2:30AM and left at close (4:30AM)
There were indeed some cute girls there. Would be a great place to pickup girls if the music wasn't quite so loud so you could talk to them.
I didn't take a girl out because I was exhausted from the night before, but I will probably go back.
FreebieFan
01-20-10, 08:39
Been chatting with a slightly older Thai lady (37-38) via email for a few weeks now. The pics she has sent represent a traditional Thai lady from KK. Single, no kids but looks after a friends kid on a permanent basis (swears it not hers etc).
Anyways shes told me she understands that guys butterfly but she says she has no problem when we meet if I go for standard non soapy massage, but says can she come too. Says she has no problem if girl starts a HJ as she will also help.
Girl sends me interesting sms and emails and I can tell shes not a sex worker, but I'm interested to know where she and I might be welcome to have our fun in massage places.
I have one place I go to regularly and that maybe possible, but can anyone recommend any other places. She doesn't want any lesbo action.
Shes also told m shes ok to try some public place fun so we will see how that pans out too.
Of course she doesn't know about the two other chatmates I intend to meet before I " officially " arrive in BKK LOL.
Pahllus Maximus
01-20-10, 10:25
found a sw, very young. skilled use of fingers on my balls and ass, bbj swallowed and a sweet smile to boot. anyone better at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) ?
also, anyone kow of hotels or venues with big mirrors to watch ?
I suspect that the chances of picking up an STD in those establishments are slightly less than from a street-walker. Clubs and MPs have an interest in maintaining their reputations, and as you know some enforce regular testing and display certificates. Knowledge of a girl with an STD working at a well-known MP would be the kiss of death for such an establishment.
Yes, I know the MPs are a bit more on top of this. What about the gogos?
.. I'm Aey at Annies ... Really?!! Now THAT is a surprise!
I was also at Climax on Sunday night...Would be a great place to pickup girls if the music wasn't quite so loud so you could talk to them.
I totally agree - it's hard to talk to them. However:
1. That's not necessarily a bad thing. You can focus your attention on other kinds of communication, which allows you to look at her in ways that normally would be considered rude.
2. In the scheme of things, I think Climax has the best music around. CM2 has a crappy band, Spasso has a double-crappy band, and Spicy/Bossy/QBar do a DJ thing (which is basically all the same to me). I think the band at Climax is composed of genuinely talented musicians. So I kind of enjoy the music, overly loud as it may be.
But your point is well taken - you really can't say a word to anyone there without ripping your lungs out.
Lord Farquard
01-20-10, 20:18
Yes, I know the MPs are a bit more on top of this. What about the gogos?
Monthy checks for STD (girl pays), HIV every three months (bar pays). Some of the Mp's check for STD weekly (house pays), HIV monthly (girl pays). That will vary from place to place, but it seems to be what I have been told from the folks I have been in contact with.
The Karaoke place are hit and miss, there does not seem to be any uniformity as the testing at all, perhaps because they all do not offer "take out service" ;)
I think the band at Climax is composed of genuinely talented musicians. So I kind of enjoy the music, overly loud as it may be.
But your point is well taken - you really can't say a word to anyone there without ripping your lungs out.There wasn't a band when I was there, just a DJ playing the same 10 songs that all the gogo bars play on repeat (ooh that black eyed peas song! haven't heard that one a million times before!).
I ended up staying towards the back of the place because of the music volume.
M P Lurker
01-21-10, 02:48
Really?!! Now THAT is a surprise!
Thanks Centaurus. :D Of course I am not her. I accidentally left out the verb. Probably comes from learning Deutsch where they have those sentences that leave you hanging until reach the main verb right at the end. ;)
Was supposed to read "I'm sure Aey at Annies can ... "
Cunning Stunt
01-21-10, 04:48
..I accidentally left out the verb...
Was supposed to read "I'm sure Aey at Annies can ... "
..because I'm sure that sure is an adjective;).
There wasn't a band when I was there...
Right, the band signs off at 2am, I believe. Then it's the regulare fare from there till closing.
M P Lurker
01-21-10, 14:20
..because I'm sure that sure is an adjective;).
I'm sorry but "to be sure", to be certain, is a verb, where a "sure thing" is an adjectival usage.
I am sure - present tense
I was sure - past tense, and
I will be sure - future tense
O.K. Some dictionaries describe it as an adjective but it seems to me I am using it as a verb of how I feel, as it is not attached to a noun
Monthy checks for STD (girl pays), HIV every three months (bar pays). Some of the Mp's check for STD weekly (house pays), HIV monthly (girl pays).
That will vary from place to place, but it seems to be what I have been told from the folks I have been in contact with.
Can anyone verify this? I never heard of any kind of bars/gogos testing girls. I've heard the mp's do, however.
I'm sorry but "to be sure", to be certain, is a verb, where a "sure thing" is an adjectival usage.
I am sure - present tense
I was sure - past tense, and
I will be sure - future tense
O.K. Some dictionaries describe it as an adjective but it seems to me I am using it as a verb of how I feel, as it is not attached to a noun
"sure" IS either an adjective or an adverb.
In "a sure thing", it is an attributive adjective and in "I am sure" it is a predicative adjective. In "he sure is happy" it's an adverb.
M P Lurker
01-21-10, 15:01
Can anyone verify this? I never heard of any kind of bars/gogos testing girls. I've heard the mp's do, however.
That's strange. Its quite common for "good" bars to have health checks because they can't afford the scandal. But the lowest class of bars may not have it just like some MPs may not have it as compulsory. Good quality Soapies always have health checks.
M P Lurker
01-21-10, 15:17
"sure" IS either an adjective or an adverb.
In "a sure thing", it is an attributive adjective and in "I am sure" it is a predicative adjective. In "he sure is happy" it's an adverb.
O.K. Thanks for the lesson. My grammar sucks, it seems.
Strikesfun
01-21-10, 15:27
Not sure of the reason for the STD question and not sure you want my opinion as everybody has one. So maybe you are married or worried about girlfriend etc or maybe yourself. The point I am about here is this is a choice. If you do this and you get a STD, it was your choice end of store, not the girls not the mp, not the go go place. See this as it is. These women are with men, they get infections in the normal course of being women. Look in the mirror you made the choice and move on. If you cannot live with this stay home with the wife, girlfriend safe no STD. Sorry if I offend anyone. This is no different the to ride a motorcycle, make a choice, you get on ride, you crash thats the risk not the motorcycle company etc. No offense live with the decision
"sure" IS either an adjective or an adverb.
In "a sure thing", it is an attributive adjective and in "I am sure" it is a predicative adjective. In "he sure is happy" it's an adverb.
Maybe so, but surely, "he sure is happy" is not even english. It is on par with "How are you doing? Good!"
The adverbial form of "sure" is "surely" and of "good", it is "well", as even Webster's will tell you.
That's strange. Its quite common for "good" bars to have health checks because they can't afford the scandal. But the lowest class of bars may not have it just like some MPs may not have it as compulsory. Good quality Soapies always have health checks.
Yes, good soapies have health checks. This is probably because the main clientele is Thai.
Which bar is considered a "good" bar? Again, I've never heard of mandatory testing of girls in the gogos. I've asked several girls about this and have never gotten a straight answer.
Any reports or useful links to traditional Thai massage places in lower Sukhumvit area?
Maybe so, but surely, "he sure is happy" is not even english. It is on par with "How are you doing? Good!"
The adverbial form of "sure" is "surely" and of "good", it is "well", as even Webster's will tell you.
Agreed but I did not want to complicate the matter further so I decided not to mention the fact that the adverb "sure" is, at best, colloquial.
Not sure of the reason for the STD question and not sure you want my opinion as everybody has one. So maybe you are married or worried about girlfriend etc or maybe yourself. The point I am about here is this is a choice. If you do this and you get a STD, it was your choice end of store, not the girls not the mp, not the go go place. See this as it is. These women are with men, they get infections in the normal course of being women. Look in the mirror you made the choice and move on. If you cannot live with this stay home with the wife, girlfriend safe no STD. Sorry if I offend anyone. This is no different the to ride a motorcycle, make a choice, you get on ride, you crash thats the risk not the motorcycle company etc. No offense live with the decisionExcellent post, you make a choice and must accept the consequences. I also find it amusing as to how many guys feel "safe" in the gogos because the girls have checks versus how the freelancers are considered dangerous. Yes, a health check is better than no health check. But say a gogo girl had a health check last night. And tonight she barebacks with an infected guy and gets infected herself. Even if she is getting a monthly checkup, it is likely that the infection may not show up until 3 months down the line. And how many guys does she do in that time? On the other hand, if you are worried about safety and cleanliness, I would say that the Thai massage places are a far better bet. I have never had a massage girl in a Thai place ever remotely consider bareback, even when we were both passionate and wild and tempted. They strike me as very conscious about this, as are the houses themselves. Whereas I couldn't tell you how many gogo girls are willing to bareback if they like a guy.
M P Lurker
01-22-10, 07:26
Yes, good soapies have health checks. This is probably because the main clientele is Thai.
Which bar is considered a "good" bar? Again, I've never heard of mandatory testing of girls in the gogos. I've asked several girls about this and have never gotten a straight answer.
When they do have checks, I was getting a straight detailed answer. ;)
Hi guys
Been a long time reader and preparing for a trip to BKK with my gf. I want to gently introduce her to a 3some and thought a MP will be a good start. Can anyone tell me which soapies cater to couples?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanx
Was just surveying the Nana parking lot for fun and dodging lots of ladyboys, when spotted Nit, a free-lancer I had been with a few years back. She is still young enough (26). Talent in the car-park was very average at 2AM, so Nit was a good option.
In the end decided to take her LT. I was well aware she was extremely tight, so lots of lube required. Who needs anal when the pussy is very tight indeed?
I was dismayed to find a small brown stain on the sheets. After all the discussion on health checks, I was thinking STD? She assured me was just the trailing remants of her period, went for a quick extra rinse and everything was fine after that.
Nice to sleep next a girl with a superb naked bottom.
Another nice round in the morning when awoke with the normal morning hard-on.
Shit, its giving me another boner sitting at breakfast, thinking about it while writing this report.
Globetrotter
01-23-10, 04:48
Hey guys,
Many years ago, I had the very good fortune of doing a threesome with a couple of really hot 19 year old girls I had met in a club. I saw them on a regular basis and it lasted about 2 years. Those were the days! One of the girls had this incredible control of her vaginal muscles. She could get me off without either of us moving our bodies simply by flexing her internal muscles and releasing and repeating the process over and over. It wasn't until some time later that I found out they actually had a name for such a thing. A snapper. And girls could develop their vaginal muscles by doing Kegel (sp?) exercises. Guys, if you've never done so, this is something you really have to experience.
Now, to my point. I was reading the Hatyai section some years ago and there were several references to the Pink Lady complex there and how the girls there were all trained to do this very thing. I don't know if it's true and I never got a chance to investigate this for myself since every time I went to Hatyai I was with my significant other and friends.
I was wandering if any one knew of any such place or providers in BKK as I will be there again soon. I've been to LOS many times and to many cities but have never found a Thai girl with this talent. Still, I can't help but think that it's out there somewhere. You would thing that venues such as Tulip or Annie's would provide this as part of their training since they seem to do such a good job training their girls in every other way.
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M P Lurker
01-23-10, 04:54
Hi guys
Been a long time reader and preparing for a trip to BKK with my gf. I want to gently introduce her to a 3some and thought a MP will be a good start. Can anyone tell me which soapies cater to couples?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanx
In years of going to Soapies, I think I only ever saw a female customer once. That was at Chao Praya II some years ago. So its not something that Soapies are generally likely to specialize in.
While its easy for a female customer to get a Soapy service, she won't be able to have sex unless the right Soapy girl is selected.
I would suggest consulting with Aey on the Annies thread. I reckon she will know the right girls for the assignment.
M P Lurker
01-23-10, 05:15
Decided to visit Nana Plaza once more, just to compare to Cowboy.
First up went in Mandarin. Downstairs seemed to have quite a few customers but girls seemed average and was rather dark with poor lighting, surely a sign that girls are not great looking. Tried upstairs too, where some girls looked O.K. but again lighting was very dim. Decided not to stay.
Looked briefly in a few bars that were not very busy.
Moved on to Angel Witch as thought some shows might entertain me. The shows had just started at 10PM and continue through to 1AM. Bar was quite busy. I stayed only due to two of the show dancers being very pretty. The standard go-go girls had no-one of interest at all.
Don't have full nudity here.
Previous night was at Cowboy.
Tried Shebas which had some shows going on including lesbian show, but girl selection quite ordinary. Some what similar to Suzie Wong, but I believe SW has a few more good looking girls.
Deja Vu has some very pretty coyote girls, but wasn't that busy. Bar is spoiled by a poor layout in my view. Perhaps problem is that the best girls are not bar-finable.
Tilac had plenty of customers but most girls looked rather ordinary and they are overdressed. Never managed to work out why this bar is so successful.
Dolls House was somewhat empty, had terrible girls (at the time) and seemed to be chaotically disorganised.
Midnight was doing O.K. I like the mix of Coyote and ordinary girls there and intimate close-up layout.
Shark was doing very good business as always. A good selection of nice looking voluptuous girls. But gets boring with no shows.
Baccara packed out as usual, and a few pretty girls. The school girls dancing upstairs are the B-team as someone pointed out, so best to stay downstairs. My favourite girl was gone already (of course).
Didn't look in Long Gun Lucky Star this time as bored with the ugly PatPong style shows.
As always, the problem can be that the very best girls will get bar-fined by 9PM at the latest, so its not a good idea to go looking for a top stunner late in the evening.
Anyone else have a mental hangup where if they see a bargirl they like being taken out by a guy, or even just being groped up by a guy, especially if the guy is kind of gross, then they can't really be attracted to the girl anymore?
A few girls I've really wanted have been taken by a guy in a bar just as I was playing eye flirt with her, and then I think about going back the next night to take her but I just picture her with some gross hairy old fat guy's genitals bumped up against her and I can't do it.
Do the bargirls have any say over who barfines them, or do they have to go with anyone who puts the money down?
Anyone else have a mental hangup where if they see a bargirl they like being taken out by a guy, or even just being groped up by a guy, especially if the guy is kind of gross, then they can't really be attracted to the girl anymore?
A few girls I've really wanted have been taken by a guy in a bar just as I was playing eye flirt with her, and then I think about going back the next night to take her but I just picture her with some gross hairy old fat guy's genitals bumped up against her and I can't do it.
Do the bargirls have any say over who barfines them, or do they have to go with anyone who puts the money down?I think there is a quota system, the girls have to have a certain number of drinks and barfines per week or month. If they don't meet this quota then they are fined or their salary is docked. If this is correct then I would guess that the ladies do have some discretion about who they go with, but some of the girls are probably under a lot of pressure to meet their quota. I do know that in some of the beer bars the girls are under intense pressure to go with anyone who wants to barfine them and if they do not want to go they get a lot of crap from the mamasan.
Streetlooker
01-23-10, 22:16
Anyone else have a mental hangup where if they see a bargirl they like being taken out by a guy, or even just being groped up by a guy, especially if the guy is kind of gross, then they can't really be attracted to the girl anymore?
A few girls I've really wanted have been taken by a guy in a bar just as I was playing eye flirt with her, and then I think about going back the next night to take her but I just picture her with some gross hairy old fat guy's genitals bumped up against her and I can't do it.
Do the bargirls have any say over who barfines them, or do they have to go with anyone who puts the money down?
Yes the girl has some say why do you and everyone else get turned down sometimes. every monger has had a few girls turn them down with the old I am on menstrual line or I virgin. Has for gross people ever think some other guy watching you group a hot little thing in the bar thinks the same That you are the gross fat old sweaty hairy stinky slob and it grosses them out thinking they might have fucked something you fucked LOL. I admit I am not the fattest grosses or ugliest dude in the bar BUT Iam also not the best looking either I dress up a bit in nice clothes and I bath and stay clean that's what most girls want. I think in order to be a monger you must have a block out mode when it comes to things like that and who's fucked your next temp girlfriend IF not maybe a new hobby is in order for you. Remember you don't lose the girl you lose your turn take a number and relax
Streetlooker
01-23-10, 22:22
Using the famous soi 7 beirgarden has a example I enjoy the high one gets from returning from a nice shag and watching the girl you just shagged 20 minutes before work on other guys in the bar . Fact its sort of feels like you some how whipped the other guy cause you get to fuck her before he did LOVE it
Anyone else have a mental hangup where if they see a bargirl they like being taken out by a guy, or even just being groped up by a guy, especially if the guy is kind of gross, then they can't really be attracted to the girl anymore?
A few girls I've really wanted have been taken by a guy in a bar just as I was playing eye flirt with her, and then I think about going back the next night to take her but I just picture her with some gross hairy old fat guy's genitals bumped up against her and I can't do it.
Some old fat guy's hairy genitals are the last thing I'm able to think about if I'm looking at a hot girl. Actually, I never do, regardless what I'm looking at... unless it's some old fat guy's hairy genitals, tho that hasn't happened yet, knock on wood. So... interesting... how long has this image been appearing to you? ;) Seriously, it might put me off a bit. Like I probably wouldn't barfine a hotty who I'd seen go out with some Snuffalupakus earlier that night. Or maybe even the next night. But depending on her degree of hotness, it's something that might eventually be overcome. Like, if she was Top 10 All Time, I might even be able to same night. It might result in a shift in attitude toward her: "Why, you little ****... come over here." But when you think about it, we're all in denial -- we all know any girl we look at and want often goes with guys like that, we're just lying to ourselves and trying not to think about it. And one last thing: I'd think there's different ways of viewing/thinking about these girls, and there's probly some guys who are turned ON by that.
About your 2nd point, there are places like that but I think not the gogos. I do think they're obliged to go with a customer in a massage place, wonder if anyone here knows otherwise. And of course there's rough local-style brothels where the girls are pretty much slaves.
This message was edited by Wendella. Reason for editing: By the way, the **** above was Ess L Ewe Tee -- hard to believe forum software is set up to star out a word like that.
Fact its sort of feels like you some how whipped the other guy cause you get to fuck her before he did Yeah, but how about the guy who did her just before you?
Yeah, but how about the guy who did her just before you?
I was wondering who that guy was staring at me with that evil smirk. ;)
I think there is a quota system, the girls have to have a certain number of drinks and barfines per week or month. If they don't meet this quota then they are fined or their salary is docked. If this is correct then I would guess that the ladies do have some discretion about who they go with, but some of the girls are probably under a lot of pressure to meet their quota. I do know that in some of the beer bars the girls are under intense pressure to go with anyone who wants to barfine them and if they do not want to go they get a lot of crap from the mamasan.This sounds like it's probably correct, which is unfortunate. I think you get a better experience for both parties when the girls are going with guys they actually want to go with, rather than feeling pressured to take any barfine. In most other countries I've been to it works like that. How good is the service going to be if she just takes your barfine to avoid getting crap from the mama?
Yes the girl has some say why do you and everyone else get turned down sometimes. every monger has had a few girls turn them down with the old I am on menstrual line or I virgin. Has for gross people ever think some other guy watching you group a hot little thing in the bar thinks the same That you are the gross fat old sweaty hairy stinky slob and it grosses them out thinking they might have fucked something you fucked LOL. I admit I am not the fattest grosses or ugliest dude in the bar BUT Iam also not the best looking either I dress up a bit in nice clothes and I bath and stay clean that's what most girls want. I think in order to be a monger you must have a block out mode when it comes to things like that and who's fucked your next temp girlfriend IF not maybe a new hobby is in order for you. Remember you don't lose the girl you lose your turn take a number and relaxI can block it out of my mind if I don't see it with my own eyes. No offense meant to anyone reading the forum who fits the description, but when I actually see a girl happily accepting the gropes of someone who's just disgusting both physically and behaviorally, I just can't desire her in the same way anymore. It makes me feel like there's something wrong with her, so I'd rather try to find a different girl rather than going back to her.
Also I sort of take it as sort of a personal insult that she doesn't reject the guy and wander over near me instead.
...By the way, the **** above was Ess L Ewe Tee -- hard to believe forum software is set up to star out a word like that. [/i]
You mean sluht? :D
You mean sluht? :D
No, I mean ****
Anyone else have a mental hangup where if they see a bargirl they like being taken out by a guy, or even just being groped up by a guy, especially if the guy is kind of gross, then they can't really be attracted to the girl anymore?
A few girls I've really wanted have been taken by a guy in a bar just as I was playing eye flirt with her, and then I think about going back the next night to take her but I just picture her with some gross hairy old fat guy's genitals bumped up against her and I can't do it.
Do the bargirls have any say over who barfines them, or do they have to go with anyone who puts the money down?I don't get too put off by seeing other guys with the girls, no matter what they look like, but I do tend to not take girls that I visibly know have been pulled before I meet them in the same night. Most may have already been anyways, but if I actually know it, I tend to select elsewhere.
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