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Hi Bionicman,
I heard the same on the news just a few days ago. I think you are maybe refering to the curfew being over?? The news I heard said that there had been a request to extend the state of emergency for 3 months.
BB
I MYSELF then seem to be in high security prison, having not heard about this! (albeit being in Europe, so not on the scene)
Gaienmae08
07-06-10, 17:31
Hi,
What's going on in BKK esp Nana, Soi Cowboy. Any effects from 'state of emergency'? Supposed to travel there in a month or so, but they're extending the SoE for another 3 months. I guess there's little to no effect?
Thanks for any info.
If you are planning to hold an unauthorized public assembly of 5 or more persons or to start posting videos of yourself on Youtube stating your intent to burn down major commercial buildings you might experience some problems, but other than that everything seems fine right now.
Beagleface
07-06-10, 19:03
Have you been in high security prison for the last 3 months?
it is all over by ages!Google 'thailand state of emergency' -- 'Thailand's state of emergency will continue for another three months, the government decided Tuesday, saying red-shirt protesters remain active. Critics argue the law hinders reconciliation' -- that's from today (6 July 2010).
But question answered: the joints I'm likely to debauch myself appear unaffected.
Its low season and in terms of girl quality is really low presently. Not that its not impossible to find a few cuties but my god I have never seen Bangkok so bad in terms of talent.
It comes to something where you can see a couple of diamonds in the rough from the Sukhumvit street walkers who are on par with the best of the go-go bars presently.
Situation is pretty dire on the talent front in bars and clubs. Girls are complaining about the lack of punters and in return go home, the punters then complain over the lack of girls and so do not bother going and the circles escalates.
If your "levels" of girls is low you might find now a good time as there are lots of desperate (but not very good looking) women around.
However if your expectation is a little higher you might be dissapointed in the lack of good looking girls.
Thats my comments.
Hi,
What's going on in BKK esp Nana, Soi Cowboy. Any effects from 'state of emergency'? Supposed to travel there in a month or so, but they're extending the SoE for another 3 months. I guess there's little to no effect?
Thanks for any info.
Gaienmae08
07-07-10, 04:02
If you are planning to hold an unauthorized public assembly of 5 or more persons or to start posting videos of yourself on Youtube stating your intent to burn down major commercial buildings you might experience some problems, but other than that everything seems fine right now.
This looks like a useful rundown of the general situation:
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1032994&postcount=926
...You have had one hell of a month in BKK...Not sure what type of life you lead back in US but I'm sure its not as exciting as the past month has been for you...One thing is for certain, BKK gives us all a wondeful but totaly false energy...At home we would never surviive on 3 hours sleep, multiple pops with multiple partners, continuous bonking and chasing etc. But in BKK we can do it effortlessly.Spoken like a man who has been there and done that. That's actually part of the pleasure - the feeling of making use of absolutely every waking moment. It is a definite joie de vivre.
The flip side is when you return to the ho-hum routine of every day life - back to reality. As I flew back from BKK, I was in transit in Narita in the United lounge, and I was sitting next to this American guy who was in his late forties perhaps. He was dressed in a black business suit, and he had seven shots of whiskey lined up in front of him. He was sitting there, back straight as a pole, and he steadily drank down the first shot. As he swallowed, he exhaled in a kind of 'Thank God' kind of way, and you could see the alcohol sooth him. His eyes closed as he felt the alcohol enter his system, and you could see him physically relax. He then moved on to the second shot, and did the same kind of soothing gesture afterwards. And on through to the seventh shot. I watched the whole event, thinking to myself that there is something wrong with our society such that a man in his forties has to go through such an alcohol ritual to achieve relaxation. Or whatever his goal was, this didn't seem right.
My point is that the real world is very different from the month I lived in Bangkok. While I was in BKK for work, it is a place that allows for fantasy, and that is a very, very healthy thing. In a sense, the frolicking I did is the equivalent to this man's seven shots of whiskey. Both did us physical harm, I am sure, but they brought about great mental and spiritual relaxation. So yes, I had energy like I would never have back home, but it's because that energy was feeding a part of me that really needed attention.
My advise to those planning their trip: make every second count. Rest when you are dead, or back in Republican territory (same thing?).
Its low season and in terms of girl quality is really low presently.
I don't think it has anything to do with low season. Bkk (nana, comwboy, suk) has been dropping in quality for years now. The scene is just changing. Most of the good quality is getting "bought out" fast or is "moving up" the ranks as far as p4p outlets are concerned. What this means is, if you want good quality 2k ST ain't gonna cut it anymore. Doubling or tripling that figure gets you the quality now. Thailand isn't what it used to be.
Angus Magee
07-07-10, 10:51
The flip side is when you return to the ho-hum routine of every day life - back to reality.
I hope that this is not considered to be too off topic here in the BKK thread but this sort of discussion, reality vs ?, always catches my eye and makes me want to chime in with my experience. Also, as readers of my writing will recognize (Berlin & Germany FKK threads as well as recently my blog-www.angusmagee.com ) I am a lover of illusion and so the nature of illusion/reality holds a special place for me.
In a way I can say I have spent my whole life exploring this polarity. Though truthfully, most of the time, I was just fucking around with things. But I can almost say that the illusion/reality polarity is the very nature of existence being on this planet as a human.
As I understand it, to say that you go "back to reality" is a bit of a misnomer. First, there is no going back to anything. Time marches inexorably forward and no one (yet that I know of) has ever figured a way to go back. Second, BKK is reality. And so is Sex Prison USA. They both hold a certain energy that stimulates an energy in you while you are there. The "vibration" of BKK stimulates the vibration in you. So you end up coming into sync with the party/sex vibe that is so very prevalent in BKK. Travel to the USA (I'll say NYC just as an example) and you start to sync with that particular vibe. Of course in a given location there are variations in this vibe, but places do carry an over all atmosphere or energy. In NYC can anyone deny that it is all about commerce and making money. Hang out in NYC long enough and you can not help but experience one side of the making money (gaining or losing it) polarity.
I had energy like I would never have back home, but it's because that energy was feeding a part of me that really needed attention.
It may seem splitting hairs to some, but you do have the same energy back home. It is simply not stimulated. Hair splitting maybe, but important to remember. If you give it to BKK then it belongs to BKK. If you remember it is in you, it is yours. At some point one has to question (or at least I did) the health of hanging around in places where the energy you like, is not being stimulated. The usual argument (I hear this argument and, believe me, have often made use of it myself) is that life is not meant to be one constant pleasure palace. We need the grounding in reality to stay..err...real.
Sometimes though I stop and wonder-is this true? Do we really need this other side of illusion, harsh reality? I personally would love a life of easy pleasure, grounded in the reality of being able to share that pleasure with friends and lovers(paid & otherwise) in the appropriate way. And for me the chains of harsh reality have often seemed forged or the hardest steel imaginable. But I am reminded of a story (true or not, I do not know) of the elephants who, as babies, are chained to a stake in the ground. Then as they grow the chain is switched with a big rope. Then a smaller rope. As the elephant grows in size and strength, the rope is reduced until, when fully grown he is held by a mere string. But in his mind, he is still stuck fast with a chain & stake in the ground.
As I see it, we come into this world as children, full versed in reality. Then older folks, usually parents who have had the same thing done to them, start to unconsciously forge the chains that bind us. They do this by telling us no-that is not real, this is real. As children what choice do we have but to believe them? So eventually we stop talking to our "imaginary" friends and stop making believe that life is actually fun,for us, not against us. Then we move into adulthood, finally able to fly, but unwilling to even test if those chains are in fact real or just the thinnest of threads tethering us to the planet, to our misery.
So in the end, Ol' Angus has to recommend that you have all the fun you can in BKK. Or as the legendary Kumbu says:
... make every second count.
But for heaven sake, do not go back to life, back to reality. Go home if you have to but please take a bit 'o BKK with you. And no, I do not mean a Thai wife.
As I understand it, to say that you go "back to reality" is a bit of a misnomer. First, there is no going back to anything. Time marches inexorably forward and no one (yet that I know of) has ever figured a way to go back. Second, BKK is reality. And so is Sex Prison USA...For the past half a decade or so, I've spent a lot of time in Thailand and little time in the USA (maybe 6-8 weeks a year max). I use my time in the US to make money, visit with family and friends, relax without the subtle pressures of Thai women, and reestablish (at least in my mind) who I was before coming to TH. Sometimes, while taking care of business I retrace my former daily steps and I wonder how I ever did it.
Sex prison USA? If I wanted I am sure I could find pleasant enough company, but it does not come that easy anymore for an older guy. At this point, I decided to just not bother as I know I will return to TH soon enough.
Visiting the US is just another aspect of reality, often with experiences that far surpass what's here in TH. For example, motorcycle touring in the Rocky Mountains, sojourns to the high desert, long walks on clean beaches, etc.
Sometimes though I stop and wonder-is this true? Do we really need this other side of illusion, harsh reality? I personally would love a life of easy pleasure, grounded in the reality of being able to share that pleasure with friends and lovers(paid & otherwise) in the appropriate way. And for me the chains of harsh reality have often seemed forged or the hardest steel imaginable. But I am reminded of a story (true or not, I do not know) of the elephants who, as babies, are chained to a stake in the ground. Then as they grow the chain is switched with a big rope. Then a smaller rope. As the elephant grows in size and strength, the rope is reduced until, when fully grown he is held by a mere string. But in his mind, he is still stuck fast with a chain & stake in the ground...Some elephants murder their keepers later in life. They squash them by pinning them down and finishing the kill with a headstand. That is harsh reality.
There are aspects of living in Bangkok that can create a different type of sex prison. Sleeping with a host of young beauties becomes the norm. It is hard to stay with the same woman for very long. Getting burned every so often is also quite common. Trust is often missing from even a good relationship. It is hard to not become cynical and suspicious while at the same time appearing footloose and free. So, you just move on.
Kumbu has entertained us well with his tales. But each of us who has lived here or visited has our own similar stories that we will possibly never tell.
Hey did you ever get a chance to go to J-one? I was there in September the place is first class. If you get a chance google J-one. I haven't been to Darlings or Eden but I think it would be tough to beat J-one.
Thanks for the report.
Bangkok just keeps getting better with every visit of mine. Over a period of time I have started loving the city more than ever.
Day 1
Darling: This has got to b the best soapy massage parlor in BKK. After having tried every other parlor, in my opinion darling is all about customer satisfaction.
No pushy mamasan / papasan. No rushed service. 2500 THB for a wonderful GFE soapy experience with multiple pops.
Soi Cowboi: Made it just on time for the suzie wongs show and it was very entertaining. Started of with a lovely lesbian show and went on to the body art, soapy show and then finale was the fire show. This I am sure is a place I will repeat just for the show. They have a good collection of girls. Some look very young and a few are pretty hot. Bacara and sharks also had lots of lovely ladies up for grabs. Bar fine: 600 THB and LT: 2000 THB.
Day 2 / Day 3
Darling again. Details same as above just a different chick. I love this place.
Spent the evening with some mates watching the FIFA action at the sports bar in the hotel. Thru the game I kept making eye contact with a lovely lady in the bar who responded with the most amazing smile I have ever come across. Just took my breath away. I just had to have her. Thank god for Bangkok, you can pretty much have anything you want Got her back to my room and boy did I hit the jackpot. I would call it true GFE. Almost fell in love with her. For the first time in Thailand, I made love. The passion just grew with every minute that passed by and stayed that way till she left next afternoon. Mind Blowing! Bar fine: 700 THB and LT: 3000 THB.
Hit Khao San Road in the evening and partied all the way till the morning of day 4.
Day 4
The Eden Club: Well I wasn't going to leave the city without paying a visit to the infamous Eden Club. Living upto their reputation and my expectations eden offered me the most wonderful 3 some experience. I broke the rule and chose both my girls and it didn't make a difference. They were so into each other. They sucked me dry and went at each other 69 while I recovered. They used the strapon and bonked each other while I watched. 4 pops in an hour and a half. Wow. Perfect finale for a well deserved trip. 3600 THB all inclusive.
Cheers!
Angus Magee
07-07-10, 12:14
Some elephants murder their keepers later in life. They squash them by pinning them down and finishing the kill with a headstand. That is harsh reality.
Of course this is true. And sometimes children snap and murder their parents-or a convenient stand in for them. With domesticated wild beasts, especially those with the size & strength of an elephant, it is always wise to remember that they do have a breaking point. I believe that in the Eastern traditions of "waking up" or illumination this is called sleeping in the mouth of the tiger. Something like that and it does not do to sleep too deeply.
There are aspects of living in Bangkok that can create a different type of sex prison. Sleeping with a host of young beauties becomes the norm. It is hard to stay with the same woman for very long. Getting burned every so often is also quite common. Trust is often missing from even a good relationship. It is hard to not become cynical and suspicious while at the same time appearing footloose and free. So, you just move on.
Kumbu has entertained us well with his tales. But each of us who has lived here or visited has our own similar stories that we will possibly never tell.
My experience in BKK was that of a visitor as I was there for a number of weeks back in 2004. When you live there for an extended period no doubt your perception adjusts. You start to see things you did not notice as a wide eyed tourist. This happens where ever you rest your head for a while. You do start to see what is often a darker side to things. And as you wisely note, there are different types of sex prisons. Often the prison with the wide open door, where all your needs are catered, is far more difficult to break out of for often you do not even know that you are in prison.
As for the stories-I for one would like to hear them. But the stories of which I suspect you speak do take a certain amount of coaxing out. Sometimes I think that just need to lay dormant for a while, to create a bit of distance and objectivity. And I am not sure that the BKK thread of the ISG is the place to tell them. But if I am ever back in BKK, over a few beers on a shaded terrace might be just the place.
Cheers
AM
Mealticket
07-07-10, 15:09
Its low season and in terms of girl quality is really low presently.
Situation is pretty dire on the talent front in bars and clubs.
However if your expectation is a little higher you might be dissapointed in the lack of good looking girlsIt's really funny how 2 guys can look at the same thing and see something different.
I just met and went with (3 times) my hottest girl EVER from the Plaza
But don't tell anyone; I want to keep it a secret.
If your "levels" of girls is low you might find now a good time as there are lots of desperate (but not very good looking) women around.
Heh. Go to Hat Yai. Lots of desperate but VERY GOOD looking women at the KTVs right now. (Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai, Lampang, & Lumphun lookers.) Great prices, hot chicks. BKK has become a total turnoff and the old Pattaya scene has become a dead end stinky sewer. Real Thai hotties know better.
OK, OK, if you are in BKK and want some 8+ talent, just go to Amsterdam Massage. Be warned, it will cost you.
Now consider this: Many Isaan Thai chicks have gone back to school (right now as we yak about this) just to learn to speak and type in English. Why? So they can work on streaming sites like "livejasmin.com". It's an open door policy to get the job, just sign up, you then work directly from your room anywhere, and all you need is a computer (with Internet & USB camera.) In Thailand, word travels fast: Big big money to be made for just smiling a lot, taking off your clothes and masturbating privately, PC to PC (all with no hangover!) Wave of the future. ;)
Beagleface
07-07-10, 23:04
Its low season and in terms of girl quality is really low presently. Not that its not impossible to find a few cuties but my god I have never seen Bangkok so bad in terms of talent.
Thats my comments.That's not encouraging. I'm worried about my job and considering cancelling the trip. I always have tough decision -- at FKK clubs in Germany you get some of the prettiest girls around, sometimes absolute super models. But, it gets expensive fast, and no LT of course I'm much more interested in beauty than 'good service', although ice cold service is useless.
Anyone else agree that it is that bad these days?
Hey--anyone teach in Thailand? I'm worried enough about my job that I'm thinking about options--teaching English in Thailand? Give up the rat race? London and England blow chunks.
The flip side is when you return to the ho-hum routine of every day life - back to reality.
As I understand it, to say that you go "back to reality" is a bit of a misnomer. First, there is no going back to anything. Time marches inexorably forward and no one (yet that I know of) has ever figured a way to go back. Second, BKK is reality. And so is Sex Prison USA. They both hold a certain energy that stimulates an energy in you while you are there. The "vibration" of BKK stimulates the vibration in you. So you end up coming into sync with the party/sex vibe that is so very prevalent in BKK. Travel to the USA (I'll say NYC just as an example) and you start to sync with that particular vibe. Of course in a given location there are variations in this vibe, but places do carry an over all atmosphere or energy. In NYC can anyone deny that it is all about commerce and making money. Hang out in NYC long enough and you can not help but experience one side of the making money (gaining or losing it) polarity.Interesting. Intellectually and philosophically, I understand what you are saying. But I still can't shake the reality-fantasy aspect to my experience in Thailand this month. I suppose it is all about where I feel my life is. I can't imagine a scenario in which I uproot myself from SexPrison USA and move permanently (or semi permanently, as in the case of Fon Tok) to Thailand. So for now, reality, as subjective a misnomer as it may be, is in the USA for me. If my rooted existence in the USA were to change, then I am sure I would see things differently - reality might be flipped. You might say that the sense of reality I feel is itself an illusion. Chew on THAT Angus!
It may seem splitting hairs to some, but you do have the same energy back home. It is simply not stimulated. Hair splitting maybe, but important to remember. If you give it to BKK then it belongs to BKK. If you remember it is in you, it is yours. At some point one has to question (or at least I did) the health of hanging around in places where the energy you like, is not being stimulated. The usual argument (I hear this argument and, believe me, have often made use of it myself) is that life is not meant to be one constant pleasure palace. We need the grounding in reality to stay..err...real. I think both perspectives are not quite right. That is, "life is not supposed to be a pleasure palace..." and the opposite view that "life should not contain energy-sapping commitments" are both either-ors. I think you need both. Or more accurately, I think *I* need both.
If I lived on a beach my entire life, after a while, I would crave the mountains. If I then moved to the mountains, I would crave the beach. Or the desert. Or Nebraska, who knows. My point is that life *should* be filled with ups and downs. That is how the universe seems to operate, and it is how we seem to derive the greatest pleasure. This is neither positive nor negative, just how human beings are (or perhaps just me) . I think if I lived in BKK full time, I would not appreciate it to the degree I do now, as an occasional voyeuristic pleasure seeker. So while I complain about going 'back to the ho-hum...back to reality', I really think this is a positive thing. When you ask if we really need the other side to life, the harsh side...I would say yes. I would say it is invaluable, for it gives us a frame of reference against which we can judge our experienes. The truly submlime ones.
Turns out that when I do come back to 'reality', I see it very differently. I appreciate some of the finer things (like my own espresso machine in my condo), and I notice some of the less fine things (like attitudes about sex, e.g., opposition to gay marriage). I think I have far more to learn from you on this issue, Angus, than I could teach to you, but in my opinion, the illusion-reality opposition (conjured as it may be) serves a pretty healthy purpose.
Interesting. Intellectually and philosophically, I understand what you are saying. But I still can't shake the reality-fantasy aspect to my experience in Thailand this month. I suppose it is all about where I feel my life is. I can't imagine a scenario in which I uproot myself from SexPrison USA and move permanently (or semi permanently, as in the case of Fon Tok) to Thailand. So for now, reality, as subjective a misnomer as it may be, is in the USA for me. If my rooted existence in the USA were to change, then I am sure I would see things differently - reality might be flipped. You might say that the sense of reality I feel is itself an illusion. Chew on THAT Angus!
I think both perspectives are not quite right. That is, "life is not supposed to be a pleasure palace..." and the opposite view that "life should not contain energy-sapping commitments" are both either-ors. I think you need both. Or more accurately, I think *I* need both.
If I lived on a beach my entire life, after a while, I would crave the mountains. If I then moved to the mountains, I would crave the beach. Or the desert. Or Nebraska, who knows. My point is that life *should* be filled with ups and downs. That is how the universe seems to operate, and it is how we seem to derive the greatest pleasure. This is neither positive nor negative, just how human beings are (or perhaps just me) . I think if I lived in BKK full time, I would not appreciate it to the degree I do now, as an occasional voyeuristic pleasure seeker. So while I complain about going 'back to the ho-hum...back to reality', I really think this is a positive thing. When you ask if we really need the other side to life, the harsh side...I would say yes. I would say it is invaluable, for it gives us a frame of reference against which we can judge our experienes. The truly submlime ones.
Turns out that when I do come back to 'reality', I see it very differently. I appreciate some of the finer things (like my own espresso machine in my condo), and I notice some of the less fine things (like attitudes about sex, e.g., opposition to gay marriage). I think I have far more to learn from you on this issue, Angus, than I could teach to you, but in my opinion, the illusion-reality opposition (conjured as it may be) serves a pretty healthy purpose.
It is precisely because the farang life in Thailand is so far departed from his life back home that it appears a fantasy...maybe somewhat akin to the ghetto kid who wakes up one morning to being in the NBA or the extra who finds himself staring in Hollywood. Of course, none of the fantasies are without their costs and ugly truths, but yeah, they are probably a lot better than working in a coal mine or sweat shop x hours per day. Thailand is my home, but i tend to travel a lot, and when i do, it really makes me appreciate what i have at home. At the same time, as earlier mentioned, there are no Rocky Mountains in Thailand, and there are certain experiences that can never be experienced in Thailand. If it is a fantasy, hopefully we just enjoy it and milk it for all it is worth, and try to have a bit of balance in everything we do.
It's really funny how 2 guys can look at the same thing and see something different...I just met and went with (3 times) my hottest girl EVER from the Plaza...But don't tell anyone; I want to keep it a secret.Right now in Bangkok there are many, many lovely ladies looking for hook-ups -- P4P short time & long time, casual boyfriends, husbands, giks, etc.
All it takes is going out and finding one or two, or...
I am sure there are a few 8/9+ beauties out there, too. But why bother because usually have 10+ attitudes and price tags!
If a guy can't find a nice encounter in BKK right now, he needs to reevaluate his game plan! Because tomorrow may never come...
Heh. Go to Hat Yai.Ha! Many of us from there spend our free time up in Bangkok and Pattaya. Grass is always greener, I guess.
Anyhow I think we all, with one or two exceptions, agree that the sky is not falling. Maybe some of the newer guys who've only been around a few years get a bit jaded and decide that the "old days" were better, but I don't hear many complaints from those of us who have followed the scene for a good long while and have seen its ups and downs. There are still outrageous numbers of fine women around and available. Anybody even halfway presentable who's not getting them just isn't going about it right.
Anyone else agree that it is that bad these days?
It's not that it's bad. It just takes more work, patience, and money. If you got these you'll have a great time. If you're used to the "good ole days" then you might not like it as much.
What is the deal with all the coyote girls in Cowboy now? it seems like almost half of the bars have adopted this set up of having sexy coyote dancers who you cannot barfine/exchange numbers with/fuck. The only ones available are the ugly bunch!
Who is the creator of this lame concept? Westerner? Thai?
Is this the way Cowboy will go in the future as property prices in the area keep rising and posh developments pop up?
This "bait in switch" model is retarded!
I think it was opebo who made a point not to patronize a place like this. I certainly agree with him.
... Anyone else agree that it is that bad these days? ...
IMHO, the quality (beauty) of the P4P providers is lower nowadays in touristic places (Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket, Koh Samui, etc.) because the foreigners are willing to pay big money (by Thai standards) even for girls that are not very attractive. That's also the same phenomenon with the (inflated) "sin sot" paid by certain foreigners.
The local girls are spreading the word and the older (or more knowledgeable) ones in the game explain the situation to the younger "wannabes".
Ten years ago, a below than average looking girl would not have dared trying her luck in the P4P business or would not have hoped to marry a foreigner. But nowadays, it's a known fact among the local girls that some of us (more and more numerous) foreigners can apparently be quite satisfied with women that are not very attractive... So, you have more and more of this kind on the tourist oriented market.
In the meanwhile, the quality has not decreased in the places that caters mainly to the Thais (local brothels, for instance). The local guys usually wouldn't pay big money for girls that are not very attractive (for their own standards), but many foreigners do that for various reasons (one of them being that many not so attractive Thai girls are nevertheless more beautiful than the women that those foreigners could fuck in their own country).
What is the deal with all the coyote girls in Cowboy now? it seems like almost half of the bars have adopted this set up of having sexy coyote dancers who you cannot barfine/exchange numbers with/fuck. The only ones available are the ugly bunch!
Who is the creator of this lame concept? Westerner? Thai?
Is this the way Cowboy will go in the future as property prices in the area keep rising and posh developments pop up?
This "bait in switch" model is retarded!
I think it was opebo who made a point not to patronize a place like this. I certainly agree with him.
Most of these bars are owned by the same guy. Stickman very often criticizes him. Apparently he's an arab.
I basically avoid all of them. Not even worth hanging out in.
IMHO, the quality (beauty) of the P4P providers is lower nowadays in touristic places (Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket, Koh Samui, etc.) because the foreigners are willing to pay big money (by Thai standards) even for girls that are not very attractive. That's also the same phenomenon with the (inflated) "sin sot" paid by certain foreigners.
The local girls are spreading the word and the older (or more knowledgeable) ones in the game explain the situation to the younger "wannabes".
Ten years ago, a below than average looking girl would not have dared trying her luck in the P4P business or would not have hoped to marry a foreigner. But nowadays, it's a known fact among the local girls that some of us (more and more numerous) foreigners can apparently be quite satisfied with women that are not very attractive... So, you have more and more of this kind on the tourist oriented market.
In the meanwhile, the quality has not decreased in the places that caters mainly to the Thais (local brothels, for instance). The local guys usually wouldn't pay big money for girls that are not very attractive (for their own standards), but many foreigners do that for various reasons (one of them being that many not so attractive Thai girls are nevertheless more beautiful than the women that those foreigners could fuck in their own country).
Very well put. I agree.
I see soo many foreigners spoiling very unattractive thai girls. And if you read the reports on this board and look at the photo section, you'll see some of the proof of this.
So if foreigners are willing to spend premium prices for "crap" then that is what the market will supply. This is exactly how most of the tourist places are set up in all respects(girls, food, accomadation, transportation).
The thai way = Feed the "crap" to the foreigner and charge him through the nose for it.
Heh. Go to Hat Yai. Lots of desperate but VERY GOOD looking women at the KTVs right now. (Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai, Lampang, & Lumphun lookers.) Great prices, hot chicks.
Can you provide more info? Prices? Ages? Cbj or bbbj? You can shoot me a pm if you want. Thanks.
Right now in Bangkok there are many, many lovely ladies looking for hook-ups -- P4P short time & long time, casual boyfriends, husbands, giks, etc.
If a guy can't find a nice encounter in BKK right now, he needs to reevaluate his game plan! Because tomorrow may never come...Truer words never spoken Fon Tok.
It's all in your attitude. I come from California, we learn early that life is too effing short and how to make shit happen on our own.
Blisteringly cute pooyings are available everywhere in Thailand right now, including BKK.
Soi Cowboy, last weekend, ended up with two agave induced young doe eyed hotties doing outstandingly wet & naughty things to me all night long. Loved it more than I can tell you, (fuck me, how did those finger shaped bruises on my ankles get there and wow where did those three boxes of condoms go?) Sunday, had the big-head hangover cure (sexy massage on Soi 33,) a solid 8, fantastic service, again, loved it.
For goodness sakes, don't just sit around waiting for the BKK goodness to simply fall into your lap. It's all there waiting for you, but you have to go out and GET IT!. Heh.
Striderani
07-08-10, 14:29
IMHO, the quality (beauty) of the P4P providers is lower nowadays in touristic places (Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket, Koh Samui, etc.) because the foreigners are willing to pay big money (by Thai standards) even for girls that are not very attractive. That's also the same phenomenon with the (inflated) "sin sot" paid by certain foreigners.
The local girls are spreading the word and the older (or more knowledgeable) ones in the game explain the situation to the younger "wannabes".
Ten years ago, a below than average looking girl would not have dared trying her luck in the P4P business or would not have hoped to marry a foreigner. But nowadays, it's a known fact among the local girls that some of us (more and more numerous) foreigners can apparently be quite satisfied with women that are not very attractive... So, you have more and more of this kind on the tourist oriented market.
In the meanwhile, the quality has not decreased in the places that caters mainly to the Thais (local brothels, for instance). The local guys usually wouldn't pay big money for girls that are not very attractive (for their own standards), but many foreigners do that for various reasons (one of them being that many not so attractive Thai girls are nevertheless more beautiful than the women that those foreigners could fuck in their own country).But in these instances you seem to be talking about the quality of their looks. Surely this is not the only aspect to the picture. I would almost always go for attitude over looks, I've learnt this already from the few brothels I've been to. Anyways, how does what your saying here take into account the quality of the sex?
I dont agree that it's that bad. There are still quite a few stunners in Cowboy. I don't think that BKK is much cheaper than FKKs (is it still 50 Euros?) 2000 bath, the standard ST fee for stunners is more or less the same as 50 Euros. Of course you can find some freelancers for 1000 but imho not stunners.
On a normal English teachers salary, you will not be able to life the high-live in BKK and barfine in Nana or Cowboy more than once or twice a week.
That's not encouraging. I'm worried about my job and considering cancelling the trip. I always have tough decision -- at FKK clubs in Germany you get some of the prettiest girls around, sometimes absolute super models. But, it gets expensive fast, and no LT of course I'm much more interested in beauty than 'good service', although ice cold service is useless.
Anyone else agree that it is that bad these days?
Hey--anyone teach in Thailand? I'm worried enough about my job that I'm thinking about options--teaching English in Thailand? Give up the rat race? London and England blow chunks.
Can you list them?
Would be good to put them in my hp handheld.
Most of these bars are owned by the same guy. Stickman very often criticizes him. Apparently he's an arab.
I basically avoid all of them. Not even worth hanging out in.
What time does the show start at suzie wongs?
Thank you.
Bangkok just keeps getting better with every visit of mine. Over a period of time I have started loving the city more than ever.
Day 1
Darling: This has got to b the best soapy massage parlor in BKK. After having tried every other parlor, in my opinion darling is all about customer satisfaction.
No pushy mamasan / papasan. No rushed service. 2500 THB for a wonderful GFE soapy experience with multiple pops.
Soi Cowboi: Made it just on time for the suzie wongs show and it was very entertaining. Started of with a lovely lesbian show and went on to the body art, soapy show and then finale was the fire show. This I am sure is a place I will repeat just for the show. They have a good collection of girls. Some look very young and a few are pretty hot. Bacara and sharks also had lots of lovely ladies up for grabs. Bar fine: 600 THB and LT: 2000 THB.
Day 2 / Day 3
Darling again. Details same as above just a different chick. I love this place.
Spent the evening with some mates watching the FIFA action at the sports bar in the hotel. Thru the game I kept making eye contact with a lovely lady in the bar who responded with the most amazing smile I have ever come across. Just took my breath away. I just had to have her. Thank god for Bangkok, you can pretty much have anything you want Got her back to my room and boy did I hit the jackpot. I would call it true GFE. Almost fell in love with her. For the first time in Thailand, I made love. The passion just grew with every minute that passed by and stayed that way till she left next afternoon. Mind Blowing! Bar fine: 700 THB and LT: 3000 THB.
Hit Khao San Road in the evening and partied all the way till the morning of day 4.
Day 4
The Eden Club: Well I wasn't going to leave the city without paying a visit to the infamous Eden Club. Living upto their reputation and my expectations eden offered me the most wonderful 3 some experience. I broke the rule and chose both my girls and it didn't make a difference. They were so into each other. They sucked me dry and went at each other 69 while I recovered. They used the strapon and bonked each other while I watched. 4 pops in an hour and a half. Wow. Perfect finale for a well deserved trip. 3600 THB all inclusive.
Cheers!
Can you list them?
Would be good to put them in my hp handheld.
Not positive and I might be missing a few, but:
Rio, Sahara, Deja Vu, Midnite, Spice Girls, Kiss
I was recently in Thailand for a full month – 30 glorious days. On day 1, when I landed, I decided I would track my expenses. So from the time I paid for my taxi to the hotel, until the time I paid for my triple Americano at the airport Starbuck's on my way back, I tracked every baht spent. Maniacal? Maybe. Useful to you? Hopefully.
Gents, with respect, I'm hoping no one will waste our time with cracks about 'what kind of whacko would track their expenses like this?' - that helps no one here. I tracked the expenses for my own purposes, and I share these numbers now on the thought (and hope) that this will be useful information to those planning their first trips. I believe this is in keeping with the basic mission of the ISG, and hopefully it will encourage new users to pony up their $20 and support this great institution.
I am, however, curious to hear what others think of my spending habits. I'm not sure how these numbers stack up against others' expenditures, as I have rarely seen an expense account of this sort published here.
Three notes of warning in interpreting these numbers.
(i) These numbers do not include the cost of hotel in Bangkok – that was pre-paid, and so you should take that into account.
(ii) I was not frugal – I spent like money was the plague and I had to get away from it. I never once didn't do something because it was too expensive. This is a rather unusual mode for me, but given that the month was all about fantasy (see earlier discussion with Angus Magee, Fon Tok and Oldian), it seemed appropriate. So I ate wherever I pleased, whenever I pleased. I consumed far too much coffee, I double paid for the bus down to Pattaya (because the extra empty seat was comfortable), and I sometimes overpaid girls. I tried to reign in that final urge, but on occasion, I was caught out. I reported on many of my escapades, with numbers included, so you can go back and see the context for the overpaying, if that is what I did.
(iii) These numbers are greatly inflated by the fact that I was based in BKK and I made regular trips down to Pattaya. This meant I double paid on accommodation, plus the cost of transportation, etc. If you spend half your time in Pattaya, and the other half in BKK (or other locations), I think your budget will be far, far leaner.
In total, I spent 127,620 baht over the 30 days, broken down as shown below. The figure to the right of the category is baht (percentage of total expenditure). Notes on each category follow.
1. Girls...................51,950 (40.7%)
2. Drinks.................19,270 (15.1%)
3. Hotel (Pattaya)....19,835 (15.5%)
4. Bus (Pattaya)........2,260 (1.8%)
5. Transportation.......4,793 (3.8%)
6. Food...................17,869 (14.0%)
7. Coffee..................4,935 (3.9%)
8. Miscellaneous.........6,708 (5.3%)
1. Girls. This included Bar Fine, plus payment to girl. Nothing else. In total, I paid into this category 22 times over the 30 nights. Insert your own judgmental statement here :). 51,950 over 22 girls comes to an average of 2,361baht (BF+girl). Considering that on some nights I did FLs from a club for 1,500B, and on other nights I did the Cadillac thing with LT gogo girl (3-4K + BF), an average of 2,361 baht seems about right.
2. Drinks. This included drinks for myself, lady drinks, and drinks for others (e.g., Oscar, Spider, others). I don't have a count of how many lady drinks, personal drinks or 'other drinks' I bought (that really WOULD be maniacal), but I can tell you the 19,270 includes one crazy night when I got fleeced by a girl in Pattaya. Read about it here:
1029542
If you take that night out of the equation, I think the total would be a good 5K baht lighter.
3. Hotel. This includes hotels in Pattaya only. I stayed at the Nova Platinum and the Dusit D2, the latter being better and more expensive. I think I stayed a total of 10 nights over the month, the last two in the Dusit. In retrospect, this was an exorbitant expenditure. I think I (and you) could be smarter about this – I was essentially double paying for accommodation: I had my hotel room in BKK empty while I played in Pattaya. Not very smart.
4. Bus. This was the cost of the bus to and from Pattaya. As you can see, this is almost negligible, and so by paying for two seats instead of one, I 'wasted' a grand total of 1,130 baht, approximately $35.
5. Transportation. This included all transportation: regular taxis, motocy, tuk-tuk, baht bus in Pattaya, everything. This also included taxis to and from work, which was the most expensive part of that expenditure, as well as a 30-trip BTS card. So all in all, transportation was pretty cheap.
6. Food. Did not include Breakfast in Bangkok (is that a movie starring Sissy Spacek?), as that was included in the cost of the hotel, but it DID include breakfast for the 10 mornings I was in Pattaya. And lunch, dinner, snacks, etc. for me and any companion I was with.
7. Coffee. This is a severe underestimate since when I was at work, my office mates mostly paid for my coffee (nice people they were). I would say that if I paid for all the coffee I drank, it would come to around 8,000baht. Very expensive, IMHO.
8. Miscellaneous. This includes gifts for the secretaries back home, the occasional medication, condoms, bowling fees at the Paragon, etc. I did no touristy stuff, very little shopping (other thank trinkets for people back home), and I did precious little in terms of entertainment other than trolling the sex plazas of Thailand. So you may need to plan on a larger budget in this category.
Now these numbers reflect me, and may not reflect your own experiences. You may be far more stingy with the girls than I am, or far more generous; You may prefer the FLs in night clubs (which is an economical way to do things, if you have the time and charisma) over the gogo girls; or you may go high end and visit places like Pegasus; you may not drink coffee; you may not buy so many lady drinks (or other drinks); you may want to do other expensive things like play golf or parasail. So keep in mind what these numbers reflect.
Were I to tighten the budget, I think I could have done pretty well with around half that budget. In fact, on previous 30-day trips to Thailand, I have indeed done it with a budget of around 70-80K (excluding the cost of hotel in Bangkok) and had a bundle of laughs doing so.
My work is done here.
All I can say at the moment is if you are thinking of going to Bangkok, then head off to Manila (if you are a decent looking not too old caucasian).
The talent in Manila is good, the gogo girls are more than happy to pass you their mobile numbers so you can meet after their shift ends (to avoid the 3000 to 3500 peso barfines) and they are happy to take 1500 to 2000 peso for Long Time.
And for those who understand you never really 99% get a GFE from a Thai girl, you can nearly always get a GFE from a Filipina (as they speak English so well).
I have given Bangkok the big thumbs down and Manila the big thumbs up for now.
Airport is easy to get through now, taxi's are fine, dining choices are good and plenty of boutique type hotels popping up with decent rooms, free wifi and low rates.
And some of the pussy is exquisite, real cuties.
That's not encouraging. I'm worried about my job and considering cancelling the trip. I always have tough decision -- at FKK clubs in Germany you get some of the prettiest girls around, sometimes absolute super models. But, it gets expensive fast, and no LT of course I'm much more interested in beauty than 'good service', although ice cold service is useless.
Anyone else agree that it is that bad these days?
Hey--anyone teach in Thailand? I'm worried enough about my job that I'm thinking about options--teaching English in Thailand? Give up the rat race? London and England blow chunks.
I was recently in Thailand for a full month – 30 glorious days. On day 1, when I landed, I decided I would track my expenses. So from the time I paid for my taxi to the hotel, until the time I paid for my triple Americano at the airport Starbuck's on my way back, I tracked every baht spent. Maniacal? Maybe. Useful to you? Hopefully.
Gents, with respect, I'm hoping no one will waste our time with cracks about 'what kind of whacko would track their expenses like this?' - that helps no one here. I tracked the expenses for my own purposes, and I share these numbers now on the thought (and hope) that this will be useful information to those planning their first trips. I believe this is in keeping with the basic mission of the ISG, and hopefully it will encourage new users to pony up their $20 and support this great institution.
I am, however, curious to hear what others think of my spending habits. I'm not sure how these numbers stack up against others' expenditures, as I have rarely seen an expense account of this sort published here.
Three notes of warning in interpreting these numbers.
(i) These numbers do not include the cost of hotel in Bangkok – that was pre-paid, and so you should take that into account.
(ii) I was not frugal – I spent like money was the plague and I had to get away from it. I never once didn't do something because it was too expensive. This is a rather unusual mode for me, but given that the month was all about fantasy (see earlier discussion with Angus Magee, Fon Tok and Oldian), it seemed appropriate. So I ate wherever I pleased, whenever I pleased. I consumed far too much coffee, I double paid for the bus down to Pattaya (because the extra empty seat was comfortable), and I sometimes overpaid girls. I tried to reign in that final urge, but on occasion, I was caught out. I reported on many of my escapades, with numbers included, so you can go back and see the context for the overpaying, if that is what I did.
(iii) These numbers are greatly inflated by the fact that I was based in BKK and I made regular trips down to Pattaya. This meant I double paid on accommodation, plus the cost of transportation, etc. If you spend half your time in Pattaya, and the other half in BKK (or other locations), I think your budget will be far, far leaner.
In total, I spent 127,620 baht over the 30 days, broken down as shown below. The figure to the right of the category is baht (percentage of total expenditure). Notes on each category follow.
1. Girls...................51,950 (40.7%)
2. Drinks.................19,270 (15.1%)
3. Hotel (Pattaya)....19,835 (15.5%)
4. Bus (Pattaya)........2,260 (1.8%)
5. Transportation.......4,793 (3.8%)
6. Food...................17,869 (14.0%)
7. Coffee..................4,935 (3.9%)
8. Miscellaneous.........6,708 (5.3%)
1. Girls. This included Bar Fine, plus payment to girl. Nothing else. In total, I paid into this category 22 times over the 30 nights. Insert your own judgmental statement here :). 51,950 over 22 girls comes to an average of 2,361baht (BF+girl). Considering that on some nights I did FLs from a club for 1,500B, and on other nights I did the Cadillac thing with LT gogo girl (3-4K + BF), an average of 2,361 baht seems about right.
2. Drinks. This included drinks for myself, lady drinks, and drinks for others (e.g., Oscar, Spider, others). I don't have a count of how many lady drinks, personal drinks or 'other drinks' I bought (that really WOULD be maniacal), but I can tell you the 19,270 includes one crazy night when I got fleeced by a girl in Pattaya. Read about it here:
1029542
If you take that night out of the equation, I think the total would be a good 5K baht lighter.
3. Hotel. This includes hotels in Pattaya only. I stayed at the Nova Platinum and the Dusit D2, the latter being better and more expensive. I think I stayed a total of 10 nights over the month, the last two in the Dusit. In retrospect, this was an exorbitant expenditure. I think I (and you) could be smarter about this – I was essentially double paying for accommodation: I had my hotel room in BKK empty while I played in Pattaya. Not very smart.
4. Bus. This was the cost of the bus to and from Pattaya. As you can see, this is almost negligible, and so by paying for two seats instead of one, I 'wasted' a grand total of 1,130 baht, approximately $35.
5. Transportation. This included all transportation: regular taxis, motocy, tuk-tuk, baht bus in Pattaya, everything. This also included taxis to and from work, which was the most expensive part of that expenditure, as well as a 30-trip BTS card. So all in all, transportation was pretty cheap.
6. Food. Did not include Breakfast in Bangkok (is that a movie starring Sissy Spacek?), as that was included in the cost of the hotel, but it DID include breakfast for the 10 mornings I was in Pattaya. And lunch, dinner, snacks, etc. for me and any companion I was with.
7. Coffee. This is a severe underestimate since when I was at work, my office mates mostly paid for my coffee (nice people they were). I would say that if I paid for all the coffee I drank, it would come to around 8,000baht. Very expensive, IMHO.
8. Miscellaneous. This includes gifts for the secretaries back home, the occasional medication, condoms, bowling fees at the Paragon, etc. I did no touristy stuff, very little shopping (other thank trinkets for people back home), and I did precious little in terms of entertainment other than trolling the sex plazas of Thailand. So you may need to plan on a larger budget in this category.
Now these numbers reflect me, and may not reflect your own experiences. You may be far more stingy with the girls than I am, or far more generous; You may prefer the FLs in night clubs (which is an economical way to do things, if you have the time and charisma) over the gogo girls; or you may go high end and visit places like Pegasus; you may not drink coffee; you may not buy so many lady drinks (or other drinks); you may want to do other expensive things like play golf or parasail. So keep in mind what these numbers reflect.
Were I to tighten the budget, I think I could have done pretty well with around half that budget. In fact, on previous 30-day trips to Thailand, I have indeed done it with a budget of around 70-80K (excluding the cost of hotel in Bangkok) and had a bundle of laughs doing so.
My work is done here.
I love you man. If I just read this post - i.e., if I hadn't so thoroughly enjoyed reading all your posts about the great experiences you had (you really are a good writer) - I would be tempted to say you need to get a life. But clearly, you did get a life, and it was quite a fun one. This is just what it cost! At the end of the day, it was worth it if you say so. But whatever you conclude, thanks for your outstanding contributions to this forum
I was recently in Thailand for a full month – 30 glorious days. On day 1, when I landed, I decided I would track my expenses. So from the time I paid for my taxi to the hotel, until the time I paid for my triple Americano at the airport Starbuck's on my way back, I tracked every baht spent. Maniacal? Maybe. Useful to you? Hopefully.
After reading your reports, I think you spent your money wisely. Do you have any regrets? I hope not! I know a lot of guys who would be happy to spend twice as much to be in your shoes......Although, they are (most of them) unhappily married! Most importantly, the bulk of your payments were to women. Kudos to you and thank you for a great series of reports! I look forward to your continuing adventures!
Brassballs
07-09-10, 04:22
[QUOTE=Kumbu]I was recently in Thailand for a full month – 30 glorious days. On day 1, when I landed, I decided I would track my expenses. So from the time I paid for my taxi to the hotel, until the time I paid for my triple Americano at the airport Starbuck's on my way back, I tracked every baht spent. Maniacal? Maybe. Useful to you? Hopefully.
I have read almost if not all of your reports and honestly, I'd say you sure got your money's worth.
I believe you admitted that you enjoyed making your mongering seem more like a BFE/GFE experience, something I kinda share with you. But it does have its' drawbacks and pitfalls on occasion just like a real GF/BF experience.
Except in LOS its a sinking feeling of getting had.
All in all money simply well spent Kumbu.
Member #4698
07-09-10, 06:59
I was recently in Thailand for a full month – 30 glorious days. On day 1, when I landed, I decided I would track my expenses.
In total, I spent 127,620 baht over the 30 days, broken down as shown below. The figure to the right of the category is baht (percentage of total expenditure). Notes on each category follow.
1. Girls...................51,950 (40.7%)
2. Drinks.................19,270 (15.1%)
3. Hotel (Pattaya)....19,835 (15.5%)
4. Bus (Pattaya)........2,260 (1.8%)
5. Transportation.......4,793 (3.8%)
6. Food...................17,869 (14.0%)
7. Coffee..................4,935 (3.9%)
8. Miscellaneous.........6,708 (5.3%)
1. Girls. This included Bar Fine, plus payment to girl. Nothing else. In total, I paid into this category 22 times over the 30 nights. Insert your own judgmental statement here :). 51,950 over 22 girls comes to an average of 2,361baht (BF+girl). Considering that on some nights I did FLs from a club for 1,500B, and on other nights I did the Cadillac thing with LT gogo girl (3-4K + BF), an average of 2,361 baht seems about right.
2. Drinks. This included drinks for myself, lady drinks, and drinks for others (e.g., Oscar, Spider, others). I don't have a count of how many lady drinks, personal drinks or 'other drinks' I bought (that really WOULD be maniacal), but I can tell you the 19,270 includes one crazy night when I got fleeced by a girl in Pattaya.
3. Hotel. This includes hotels in Pattaya only. I stayed at the Nova Platinum and the Dusit D2, the latter being better and more expensive. I think I stayed a total of 10 nights over the month, the last two in the Dusit. In retrospect, this was an exorbitant expenditure. I think I (and you) could be smarter about this – I was essentially double paying for accommodation: I had my hotel room in BKK empty while I played in Pattaya. Not very smart.
I got to hand it to you K. I know in general terms what I spend on my trips, but I never add it up. I could push one button in Quicken and get the exact total, but I can never do it.
Still, 22 girls (sessions) over 30 day period for $3923 including food, drinks and lodging: Yep, that is definitely in the ball park range of what it takes nowadays to have a really good trip in LOS. You can save money on girls by hunting on soi 6, 7, 8 in Pat, but most of the stunners are in the high end Go Go's (I said most) or by staying in more budget friendly hotels. On the other hand, you can raise your expenditures by staying at high end hotels (the Pattaya Marriott is my favorite hotel in Pat), eating in more expensive restaurants, and visiting high end soapy massage parlors in BKK. So I would say that for 30 days with 20 to 25 girls (sessions) you have to figure on spending anywhere from $3000 to $6000 (and higher if you just don't care).
A few small points; You chose not to include your Bkk hotel expenditure in your totals and you need to add in the roundtrip airfare (say $1000 from the USA aprox) to get to the actual bottom line.
I also like to have silk shirts made for me in BKK ($70 -$100 /per shirt - I am talking quality) and these various purchases add up. So the total cost range is more accurately from $4000 to $7000 and that is for coach.
Still, 22 girls (sessions) over 30 day period for $3923 including food, drinks and lodging: Yep, that is definitely in the ball park range of what it takes nowadays to have a really good trip in LOS.
Could not do it that cheaply in BKK. 22 ugly, well used up stock, maybe.
Can easily achieve that figure in Pattaya or isaan. It depends on the quality of the girls, however.
At the end of the trip, if you leave and you are happy then you win. That's the only thing that matters.
I did the Cadillac thing with LT gogo girl (3-4K + BF)
What city?
All I can say at the moment is if you are thinking of going to Bangkok, then head off to Manila (if you are a decent looking not too old caucasian).
The talent in Manila is good, the gogo girls are more than happy to pass you their mobile numbers so you can meet after their shift ends (to avoid the 3000 to 3500 peso barfines) and they are happy to take 1500 to 2000 peso for Long Time.
And for those who understand you never really 99% get a GFE from a Thai girl, you can nearly always get a GFE from a Filipina (as they speak English so well).
I have given Bangkok the big thumbs down and Manila the big thumbs up for now.
Airport is easy to get through now, taxi's are fine, dining choices are good and plenty of boutique type hotels popping up with decent rooms, free wifi and low rates.
And some of the pussy is exquisite, real cuties.Some folks seem to really enjoy it there. Yeah, the girls speak English (which isn't such a bonus if one can speak Thai), but I found that accommodations were far more pricey than Thailand (including what one got for the money, on the low end), Manila is a fairly unsafe and unappealing city, and the biggest one is that the food in the Philippines ranks up there with the world's worst. Other than that, no complaints.
I did the Cadillac thing with LT gogo girl (3-4K + BF)
What city?Sorry, this was vague of me. Actually, in Pattaya I paid LT at a rate of 2500B, and in BKK, it was always quoted as 4000B (and the girls in Cowboy are quite forceful about this), but I often paid 3000B. I think (not quite sure) that I paid Bazooms 3500B, but I can't quite remember.
So bottom line, LT in Pattaya is generally below 3000B (although one girl in Happy Agogo, the really cute one who didn't put that much effort into our night, I reported on her a while back, she insisted that LT in Pattaya is now 3000B), and LT in BKK starts at 4000B, but can (and should) be negotiated down. At least that has been my experience.
GoodEnough
07-10-10, 01:08
Some folks seem to really enjoy it there. Yeah, the girls speak English (which isn't such a bonus if one can speak Thai), but I found that accommodations were far more pricey than Thailand (including what one got for the money, on the low end), Manila is a fairly unsafe and unappealing city, and the biggest one is that the food in the Philippines ranks up there with the world's worst. Other than that, no complaints.
Thanks for this assessment, you've summarized the difference between Bangkok and Manila succinctly and accurately. Aside from central Makati and parts of Ft. Bonafacio, Manila is in fact unappealing: dirty, somewhat unsafe, and wholly congested, with none of the cultural attractions of Bangkok. It's also true that the local food ranks at the very bottom of any culinary taxonomy, though there are, to be fair, some excellent French and Italian restaurants in Makati and the Fort. You're also correct about the hotel accommodations being more expensive in the Philippines, with less value for money than in Thailand.
Another major difference between the two countries--for those who wish to venture out of the capital cities--is that the physical infrastructure in the Philippines is extremely poor, while that of Thailand is typically extremely good. Thus, it's far less stressful to travel within Thailand than to island-hop here in the Philippines.
Another factor that potential visitors to the Philippines should consider is that of air safety. The systems required for instrument flights have been failing at the Manila airport recently--they're old and should have been replaced years ago--with the result that there have been times recently that take offs and landings have been subject only to visual flight rules, which can be fairly frightening in cases of bad weather causing impaired visibility for the pilots. Te radars at Manila airport were supposed to have been replaced ten years ago, but never were, and there are two other systems that have been failing and should have been replaced, but never were.
GE
A few small points; You chose not to include your Bkk hotel expenditure in your totals and you need to add in the roundtrip airfare (say $1000 from the USA aprox) to get to the actual bottom line.
I also like to have silk shirts made for me in BKK ($70 -$100 /per shirt - I am talking quality) and these various purchases add up. So the total cost range is more accurately from $4000 to $7000 and that is for coach.Yup, correct. I chose not to include these since these are the kinds of things you can control from the comfort of your armchair back home. You can choose to fly coach or 1st class; you can choose to stay at the Four Seasons or Nit's Happy Inn. But often, especially for first timers, it is hard to judge how much cash to bring along. How much will food cost? And taxis? Etc. But I think your estimate for the total costs is pretty much right.
Do you have any regrets?None. It was a phenomenal month, and I enjoyed it for what it was. I will be back, and I am sure I will repeat some things, but there will be a whole lot of new discovery to do.
I love you man.I love you too Stew.
PolyOrchid
07-10-10, 05:00
Hi guys,
Don't know where else to post this but need your help. I am living in Bangkok and when trying to access my favorite porn site, youporn.com, it seems to be blocked. I assume by the Thai authorities or my ISP? Any ways around this? I'm sure we have some tech heavies on site who can help.
Thanks,
Polyorchid
I love you man.
I love you too Stew.I think we might need to start a new thread here...
Any ways around this? I'm sure we have some tech heavies on site who can help.
just google for "anonymizer" and you should find lots of help
Thanks for this assessment, you've summarized the difference between Bangkok and Manila succinctly and accurately. Aside from central Makati and parts of Ft. Bonafacio, Manila is in fact unappealing: dirty, somewhat unsafe, and wholly congested, with none of the cultural attractions of Bangkok. It's also true that the local food ranks at the very bottom of any culinary taxonomy, though there are, to be fair, some excellent French and Italian restaurants in Makati and the Fort. You're also correct about the hotel accommodations being more expensive in the Philippines, with less value for money than in Thailand.
Another major difference between the two countries--for those who wish to venture out of the capital cities--is that the physical infrastructure in the Philippines is extremely poor, while that of Thailand is typically extremely good. Thus, it's far less stressful to travel within Thailand than to island-hop here in the Philippines.
Another factor that potential visitors to the Philippines should consider is that of air safety. The systems required for instrument flights have been failing at the Manila airport recently--they're old and should have been replaced years ago--with the result that there have been times recently that take offs and landings have been subject only to visual flight rules, which can be fairly frightening in cases of bad weather causing impaired visibility for the pilots. Te radars at Manila airport were supposed to have been replaced ten years ago, but never were, and there are two other systems that have been failing and should have been replaced, but never were.
GEI will add something too, although I'll probably get flamed for it. I was in Manila for five days. The number of really good looking women I'd say I could keep an easy count of. Whether in malls or even passing in front of universities, I just didn't see what I expected to see (when I compare that with walking past Chula or Ramkamhaeng or walking into any mall in the city at any time, where the numbers just stagger). And for those who prefer freelancers, as an even bigger bummer, the LA Cafe has been closed down, a place that I really did enjoy.
I love you too Stew.
Guys, you're scaring me!
... I am living in Bangkok and when trying to access my favorite porn site, youporn.com, it seems to be blocked...
As already explained by Zauberfee, you should try an anonymizer or one of the numerous proxy services mentioned in this thread:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2188
as already explained by zauberfee, you should try an anonymizer or one of the numerous proxy services mentioned in this thread:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2188you should be aware that using any kind of anonymizer is illegal under thai law, and in the present climate you could get banged up for it.
since the coup in 2006 and the law changes after that use of any anonymizing tool is now illegal.
freedom of speech is going downhill fast as is the country.
have a read of this :
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/prachatai-to-shut-down-web-board-30133464.html
(ps, i kid you not, using any proxy or telling others how to use a proxy breaks the law under the current regime in thailand).
Some folks seem to really enjoy it there. Yeah, the girls speak English (which isn't such a bonus if one can speak Thai), but I found that accommodations were far more pricey than Thailand (including what one got for the money, on the low end), Manila is a fairly unsafe and unappealing city, and the biggest one is that the food in the Philippines ranks up there with the world's worst. Other than that, no complaints.Oldian, lots of places with good prices, there are more and more places popping up all the time, remember, Bangkok used to be expensive until all the boutique hotels starting popping up.
Like this one, a good deal if you ask me, and the food in the bar is great too :
http://www.howzat.ph/howzat_inn.html
Manila used to be a little dangerous, but I find it very much ok now, no more or less hassles or aggro than Bangkok if you ask me.
Food, so many restaurants there I do not know how you can say food is no good, unless of course you are talking "local" food, in which case yes Thai food is good.
Anyway, each to their own. Given the present government (military) in Thailand, and given the new anti-corruption President in the Philippines, given the strength of the Baht and the relative (to the Baht) weakness of the Peso, they could finally turn Manila into solid competition to Bangkok in the coming years.
You never know.
LittleBigMan
07-10-10, 14:54
Guys, you're scaring me!
Maybe the wedding can be held at the Penthouse, and party moved to the Ktten Club thereafter and when the honeymoon is over Kumbu can write his story for those that didn't get invited?
LBM
You should be aware that using any kind of anonymizer is illegal under Thai law...
Yes, I know. Prostitution too is illegal in this country as everybody knows!
... and in the present climate you could get banged up for it...
If you are using a proxy only to get some porn (not of the kiddie sort, of course!) and don't have anything related with local political matters on your computer, the risk of a harsh punishment exists, but is minimal in my humble opinion.
Anyway, it's a good reminder and people should use these tools and services knowingly and at their own risk.
Bangkok used to be expensive until all the boutique hotels starting popping up.Er, no. Bangkok, and Thailand in general, has always offered really good value for money in accommodation. All the boutique hotels have done is to offer a bit more style in the mid-price range (B1500-2500). What's getting expensive now in Bangkok, unfortunately, are the girls.
Oldian, lots of places with good prices, there are more and more places popping up all the time, remember, Bangkok used to be expensive until all the boutique hotels starting popping up.
I guess you mean like Livingstones. So your own hotel venture fell through and you've moved the concept to PI?
Thank you.
This is the point I was trying to make earlier about the exchnage of hard information. For example, I added them to my palm/phone, now I can simply refer to the information right on the spot.
Not positive and I might be missing a few, but:
Rio, Sahara, Deja Vu, Midnite, Spice Girls, Kiss
Interesting, a bookeepers assessment of Thailand.
I was recently in Thailand for a full month – 30 glorious days. On day 1, when I landed, I decided I would track my expenses. So from the time I paid for my taxi to the hotel, until the time I paid for my triple Americano at the airport Starbuck's on my way back, I tracked every baht spent. Maniacal? Maybe. Useful to you? Hopefully.
Gents, with respect, I'm hoping no one will waste our time with cracks about 'what kind of whacko would track their expenses like this?' - that helps no one here. I tracked the expenses for my own purposes, and I share these numbers now on the thought (and hope) that this will be useful information to those planning their first trips. I believe this is in keeping with the basic mission of the ISG, and hopefully it will encourage new users to pony up their $20 and support this great institution.
I am, however, curious to hear what others think of my spending habits. I'm not sure how these numbers stack up against others' expenditures, as I have rarely seen an expense account of this sort published here.
Three notes of warning in interpreting these numbers.
(i) These numbers do not include the cost of hotel in Bangkok – that was pre-paid, and so you should take that into account.
(ii) I was not frugal – I spent like money was the plague and I had to get away from it. I never once didn't do something because it was too expensive. This is a rather unusual mode for me, but given that the month was all about fantasy (see earlier discussion with Angus Magee, Fon Tok and Oldian), it seemed appropriate. So I ate wherever I pleased, whenever I pleased. I consumed far too much coffee, I double paid for the bus down to Pattaya (because the extra empty seat was comfortable), and I sometimes overpaid girls. I tried to reign in that final urge, but on occasion, I was caught out. I reported on many of my escapades, with numbers included, so you can go back and see the context for the overpaying, if that is what I did.
(iii) These numbers are greatly inflated by the fact that I was based in BKK and I made regular trips down to Pattaya. This meant I double paid on accommodation, plus the cost of transportation, etc. If you spend half your time in Pattaya, and the other half in BKK (or other locations), I think your budget will be far, far leaner.
In total, I spent 127,620 baht over the 30 days, broken down as shown below. The figure to the right of the category is baht (percentage of total expenditure). Notes on each category follow.
1. Girls...................51,950 (40.7%)
2. Drinks.................19,270 (15.1%)
3. Hotel (Pattaya)....19,835 (15.5%)
4. Bus (Pattaya)........2,260 (1.8%)
5. Transportation.......4,793 (3.8%)
6. Food...................17,869 (14.0%)
7. Coffee..................4,935 (3.9%)
8. Miscellaneous.........6,708 (5.3%)
1. Girls. This included Bar Fine, plus payment to girl. Nothing else. In total, I paid into this category 22 times over the 30 nights. Insert your own judgmental statement here :). 51,950 over 22 girls comes to an average of 2,361baht (BF+girl). Considering that on some nights I did FLs from a club for 1,500B, and on other nights I did the Cadillac thing with LT gogo girl (3-4K + BF), an average of 2,361 baht seems about right.
2. Drinks. This included drinks for myself, lady drinks, and drinks for others (e.g., Oscar, Spider, others). I don't have a count of how many lady drinks, personal drinks or 'other drinks' I bought (that really WOULD be maniacal), but I can tell you the 19,270 includes one crazy night when I got fleeced by a girl in Pattaya. Read about it here:
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If you take that night out of the equation, I think the total would be a good 5K baht lighter.
3. Hotel. This includes hotels in Pattaya only. I stayed at the Nova Platinum and the Dusit D2, the latter being better and more expensive. I think I stayed a total of 10 nights over the month, the last two in the Dusit. In retrospect, this was an exorbitant expenditure. I think I (and you) could be smarter about this – I was essentially double paying for accommodation: I had my hotel room in BKK empty while I played in Pattaya. Not very smart.
4. Bus. This was the cost of the bus to and from Pattaya. As you can see, this is almost negligible, and so by paying for two seats instead of one, I 'wasted' a grand total of 1,130 baht, approximately $35.
5. Transportation. This included all transportation: regular taxis, motocy, tuk-tuk, baht bus in Pattaya, everything. This also included taxis to and from work, which was the most expensive part of that expenditure, as well as a 30-trip BTS card. So all in all, transportation was pretty cheap.
6. Food. Did not include Breakfast in Bangkok (is that a movie starring Sissy Spacek?), as that was included in the cost of the hotel, but it DID include breakfast for the 10 mornings I was in Pattaya. And lunch, dinner, snacks, etc. for me and any companion I was with.
7. Coffee. This is a severe underestimate since when I was at work, my office mates mostly paid for my coffee (nice people they were). I would say that if I paid for all the coffee I drank, it would come to around 8,000baht. Very expensive, IMHO.
8. Miscellaneous. This includes gifts for the secretaries back home, the occasional medication, condoms, bowling fees at the Paragon, etc. I did no touristy stuff, very little shopping (other thank trinkets for people back home), and I did precious little in terms of entertainment other than trolling the sex plazas of Thailand. So you may need to plan on a larger budget in this category.
Now these numbers reflect me, and may not reflect your own experiences. You may be far more stingy with the girls than I am, or far more generous; You may prefer the FLs in night clubs (which is an economical way to do things, if you have the time and charisma) over the gogo girls; or you may go high end and visit places like Pegasus; you may not drink coffee; you may not buy so many lady drinks (or other drinks); you may want to do other expensive things like play golf or parasail. So keep in mind what these numbers reflect.
Were I to tighten the budget, I think I could have done pretty well with around half that budget. In fact, on previous 30-day trips to Thailand, I have indeed done it with a budget of around 70-80K (excluding the cost of hotel in Bangkok) and had a bundle of laughs doing so.
My work is done here.
Hey Thailand mongers
I'm heading to Thailand for the first time and am looking for an advice. I'll be traveling in the country for 10 days. Touristy stuff. But I was thinking about whether I should try to get a GFE for the duration of the travel. Will obviously pay her travel expense and some extra, but I'm curious if that is doable in Thailand and if so what is the course, or should I stick with the p4p scene only? The reason for wanting a GFE for the entire trip is so that I don't waste time looking for p4p at every new location I
End up traveling to.
Guys, stop it, please: you're making me blush.
I think we might need to start a new thread here...
Guys, you're scaring me!
Maybe the wedding can be held at the Penthouse, and party thereafter and when the honeymoon is over Kumbu can write his story for those that didn't get invited?
I usually spend less on food (since I eat like khon-Thai - maybe 300B/day) and don't stay in the hi-class hotels either (again same as khon-Thai - maybe 500B/day) "girls" are generally ST off beach road and I don't add up the drinks. but my "misc budget" will usually be over 100k Baht (maybe even per week)
but Pattaya is just another "waypoint on the flight plan" :)
Interesting, a bookeepers assessment of Thailand.
Yeah, very interesting ... and then a clown comes along, copies and re-posts the entire assessment ...
Interesting, a bookeepers assessment of Thailand.I try to do the same thing on my visits but get bored with it after a couple of days. I get to the point that even notches to count number of ladies is too much work. After I settle in it's all about hedonism for me.
SunLover
Still Learning
07-12-10, 13:34
I was recently in Thailand for a full month – 30 glorious days. On day 1, when I landed, I decided I would track my expenses....I tracked every baht spent. Maniacal? Maybe. Useful to you? Hopefully. Wow, thank you Kumbu. This is incredibly useful information.
I am hoping to take off some time next year and go to Thailand for a couple of months, this helps me a great deal planning the financial side. Hopefully my time there coincides with a time you are there and I can buy you a drink or two.
Also, I read a couple of your posts and really enjoyed them. Were you a writer at some point (or are you one now)? Other than on ISG, of course :-).
Old German
07-13-10, 11:43
Sunday 11. of July I came again to Bangkok for a 3 day stopover. I spend the nights as usual at Livingstones Lodge in Sukhumvit Soi 33. I like the atmosphere and the good service there and have nothing to complain. I arrived there at 2.30 p.m. after taking a public taxi from airport. I paid 250 Baht without using the toll road. After some sleeping in the afternoon I felt relative fresh in spite of the jetlag, but wasn’t in the mood to visit the usual places like Nana, Soi Cowboy or other. So I had dinner in the evening at Livingstones. In the Sportsbar I noticed a few girls, not so many, but 2 of them had been exactly my type. I spoke first with Ma, a pretty slim Lady from Isaan, age 31. But unfortunately he had an appointment later in the evening with another guest. The second girl was One (Wan), also from Isaan, age 23, slim and rather tall for a Thaigirl with small breasts and an innocent look. She was only a few weeks there and could hardly speak English. So the communication with her was very difficult, but another girl helped with translation. So I have been able to find out something about her. We played some Pool. I was thinking about to take her for overnight, but first I wanted to look around in the bars in Soi 33. But it was pretty disappointing, only a few girls in every bar. I saw only 3 cute girls, but after some talking I decided not to take one with me. I returned to the Sportsbar, barfined One and went with her into my room. She wanted 3.000 Baht for the night, a reasonable prize. She was not so experienced and a little bit shy in the first time, but very affectionate. We had a nice foreplay with many DFK and a sensitive BBBJ. I licked her pussy and she became a little bit wet. Then we had sex in some positions, nothing exceptional, but for me satisfying enough. After midnight we had round two. Then I left her and watched the football finale with the Boss and only 2 other guests in the Sportsbar. After ending of the final match I was totally tired and not able to have sex again with One. Immediately I was fallen asleep. One left me in the early morning around 7 a.m. I disclaimed the morning sex, because I was still too tired after two nights with very less sleep.
After a long sleep and relaxing at the swimming pool I went shopping a little on Monday. On the way back to Livingstones around 4 p.m. I made a stop at Nana Skytrain station and went to the Beergarden in Soi 7. But it was really disappointing, what I saw. Only the half of the seats have been occupied, the ratio between men and girls have been nearly 1:1. All the girls had been at most average, no one cute. So I left Beergarden after some minutes and went to Gullivers. I saw maybe 10 girls in the afternoon sitting alone. One looked very nice, age around 25. We talked some minutes, but at this time I didn’t want to take her. I asked her about phone number which she did give me; maybe I will call her another day.
After relaxing again at Livingstones and having a dinner in a nice Thaifood restaurant in Soi 11 I went to Soi Cowboy and spend some time there in any bars, but didn’t took a girl, because I had other plans. After 11 p.m. I took a taxi to The Bossy Club in a small side road of Sri Ayutthaya. I never had been before and wanted to make a try. I paid 300 Baht entrance fee (included one drink) and went in. But I wasn’t much impressed about this club. In my opinion it was more equal a storage. The disco music was almost at a threshold of noise pain, a commucation almost impossible. Short before midnight I noticed any Thaigirls, but nothing special and a few ladies from Russia and other former CIS states, but also only average. So I left this club after staying maybe 30 minutes, took a Taxi and visited CM 2 disco in the Novotel at Siam Square. I entered there shortly after midnight and paid 350 Baht including one drink. At my last visit in January I paid there 650 Baht, but 2 drinks included. I don’t know why the entrance fee is now cheaper, maybe because it have been a Monday. A band was playing, but it wasn’t as loud as in Bossy Club. At this time the disco was filled quite well with the usual mix of girls from Thailand and former CIS. I walked slowly around to find the right one for me this night. After some minutes I saw a lady and knew, this would be the one for me this night. She was sitting alone at a little desk at the back nearby the second entrance, watching directly to the playing band. She gave me an amazing smile, so I took place next to her. Because the band was playing it wasn’t so easy to talk, but have been possible. This Lady came from Usbekistan, but didn’t look like the other Usbeki girls I have seen before. She had a real cute face, a winning smile, light brown fair hair, around 1,65 m with bigger breasts. She wasn’t absolutely slim, but had a nice and firm body, maybe 55 kg. She called herself Marishka, but surely it wasn’t her real name, age 31. I felt sympathy between us from the first moment, so it was easy to decide for her, although I saw any other stunning girls this evening there. So we left the disco around 0.30 a.m. The taxidrivers directly at the entrance are chisellers, they all didn’t want use Taximeter and quoted 200 or 300 Baht for transportation. So we went to the big street nearby and stopped a taxi there, paying only 75 Baht. 10 minutes later we have been in the hotel. Closing the doors and seconds later she came in my arms and pressed her body against me, followed by deep and long lasting DFK, while we undressed each other. Then we had shower together and continued our wild foreplay. She was horny like hell and I also. In the bed we had to go to each other, again with wild kissing. I licked her hard nipples, then she gave me a good BBBJ and I licked her pussy in position 69. She became very wet and began to moan. Then we fucked like rabbits and I pounded her hard in missionary position and doggy style. She was screaming very loud and it was real, no fake. So it lasted not so long and I had a great orgasm. Then she came in my arms and we cuddled and kissed each other for any minutes more.
The English of Marishka was quite reasonable, so we could communicate well. She told me something about her life in Tashkent and even personal things. It was her first stay in Bangkok and just arrived 2 days before. She plans to stay for a few months there and make some money to have a better life. Her former job was nursery nurse in a kindergarten. I have been her first man there and I am sure because her behavior, that it was true, what she told me. She was also interested about the living in Germany. As I told her about my trips in Asia she was very interested also. So I showed her some pictures from my trips in Myanmar, India and Turkey. After this break we had round 2, but now she rode me like crazy, before I exploded again. After 4 o’ clock in the morning I was too exhausted for another round later, so I let her go home. This was one of the most exiting nights in the past years and I don’t regret that I had paid 7.000 Baht for her. Maybe some members here will berate me, that I paid so much, but Marishka was worth every single Baht. Tomorrow I will begin a tour through Java and Bali with a stopover in Singapore and problably also write some reports about my experiences there. In end of July I will be back in Bangkok and surely meet Marishka again.
Reading through the latest posts, I'm thinking what's wrong with the prices in these days?. Isn't it a SLOW season in Thailand?
NicFrenchy
07-14-10, 02:08
This was one of the most exiting nights in the past years and I don’t regret that I had paid 7.000 Baht for her. Maybe some members here will berate me, that I paid so much, but Marishka was worth every single Baht.
Good For you!!! It's not about how much you pay but how good the experience is. Well done.
Mealticket
07-14-10, 02:37
Re: 7 k
Is that what uzbecks go far? Seems high.
A semi hot one on the soi said "hello" to a friend of mine two nights ago and he was just wondering.
This was one of the most exiting nights in the past years and I don’t regret that I had paid 7.000 Baht for her. Maybe some members here will berate me, that I paid so much, but Marishka was worth every single Baht.Congratulations on what sounds like a successful night. An eye-popping figure (7000B) to be sure, but as NicFrenchy says, it isn't about the cost but the experience. In fact, perhaps the high price tag added to the pleasure of the experience?
After 11 p.m. I took a taxi to The Bossy Club in a small side road of Sri Ayutthaya. I never had been before and wanted to make a try...I wasn’t much impressed about this club...So I left this club after staying maybe 30 minutesBossy Club is an after-hours club, so before 2am or so, the place is not as rocking as it often is. I have been in there at 1am before and it has been kind of stagnant, only picking up sometime after 2am. I would say the sweetspot in terms of timing is 2:30-3:30am. The usual order of club hopping that I do is: CM2 until midnight (or a little later), Climax until 1:30am, Spicey until 2:30-3am, Bossy until 5am. That's my routine from January, although when I was in BKK in May/June, I never managed to run the full gauntlet.
Member #2041
07-14-10, 07:15
Reading through the latest posts, I'm thinking what's wrong with the prices in these days?. Isn't it a SLOW season in Thailand?
It's a Thai way of "thinking": Business is slow, so raise the price on the few customers you might actually have. It's like the old joke - A salesman is trying to sell cars, and he has a $1 Million quota. He's falling way behind, so he raises the price of the one's he has to $1 million each - when questioned about it, he explains - I only need to sell ONE to make my number, and I'm almost there already.
It's a Thai way of "thinking": Business is slow, so raise the price on the few customers you might actually have. It's like the old joke. A salesman is trying to sell cars, and he has a $1 Million quota. He's falling way behind, so he raises the price of the one's he has to $1 million each. When questioned about it, he explains. I only need to sell ONE to make my number, and I'm almost there already.True. But obviously there's another 'component' in this situation. The buyer! Who agrees to pay that.
And I thought I was spoiling the market in BKK with 1000 ST/1500 LT (if the service was good) for street/beergarten FLs (Pattaya. Approx. 300-400-500 baht less). Never bothered trying GoGos (other than for beers and some show) knowing the ridiculous (for LOS) rates there (and as what is reported, usualy "spoiled" behavior of girls, run-aways, "star sickness", etc.)
Anyways, come on, guys! Thais get a dinner for 20 baht!
Gaienmae08
07-14-10, 11:11
This was one of the most exiting nights in the past years and I don’t regret that I had paid 7.000 Baht for her. Maybe some members here will berate me, that I paid so much, but Marishka was worth every single Baht.
Good For you!!! It's not about how much you pay but how good the experience is. Well done.
It certainly seemed a good one - I was in the hotel room next door. I am not joking, by the way. The walls at Livingstones are thinner than I thought.
Reading through the latest posts, I'm thinking what's wrong with the prices in these days?. Isn't it a SLOW season in Thailand?
It depends how well you negotiate. I was in bkk last week and managed to score 2 girls from cowboy for 1000ST each and one stunner from Rainbow(nana) for 1000ST. So yes there are deals, but you got to know how to work it.
It depends how well you negotiate. I was in BKK last week and managed to score 2 girls from cowboy for 1000ST each and one stunner from Rainbow(nana) for 1000ST. So yes there are deals, but you got to know how to work it.This leaves some hope for my upcoming trip! LOL
I belive there is a bj bar on Soi 8 (Sukhumvit) - am I right and, if so, what is the name of it?
Thank you.
i believe you are taling about [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900).. ist or 2nd soi on the right as you go down soi 8. you can see the girls sitting out front from soi 8. enjoy your service.
Lord Farquard
07-14-10, 23:35
i believe you are taling about [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900).. ist or 2nd soi on the right as you go down soi 8. you can see the girls sitting out front from soi 8. enjoy your service.
2nd sub soi on the right. 7-11 on the corner-
Interesting. Intellectually and philosophically, I understand what you are saying. But I still can't shake the reality-fantasy aspect to my experience in Thailand this month. I suppose it is all about where I feel my life is. I can't imagine a scenario in which I uproot myself from SexPrison USA and move permanently (or semi permanently, as in the case of Fon Tok) to Thailand. So for now, reality, as subjective a misnomer as it may be, is in the USA for me. If my rooted existence in the USA were to change, then I am sure I would see things differently - reality might be flipped. You might say that the sense of reality I feel is itself an illusion. Chew on THAT Angus!
I think both perspectives are not quite right. That is, "life is not supposed to be a pleasure palace..." and the opposite view that "life should not contain energy-sapping commitments" are both either-ors. I think you need both. Or more accurately, I think *I* need both.
If I lived on a beach my entire life, after a while, I would crave the mountains. If I then moved to the mountains, I would crave the beach. Or the desert. Or Nebraska, who knows. My point is that life *should* be filled with ups and downs. That is how the universe seems to operate, and it is how we seem to derive the greatest pleasure. This is neither positive nor negative, just how human beings are (or perhaps just me) . I think if I lived in BKK full time, I would not appreciate it to the degree I do now, as an occasional voyeuristic pleasure seeker. So while I complain about going 'back to the ho-hum...back to reality', I really think this is a positive thing. When you ask if we really need the other side to life, the harsh side...I would say yes. I would say it is invaluable, for it gives us a frame of reference against which we can judge our experienes. The truly submlime ones.
Turns out that when I do come back to 'reality', I see it very differently. I appreciate some of the finer things (like my own espresso machine in my condo), and I notice some of the less fine things (like attitudes about sex, e.g., opposition to gay marriage). I think I have far more to learn from you on this issue, Angus, than I could teach to you, but in my opinion, the illusion-reality opposition (conjured as it may be) serves a pretty healthy purpose.
I think it has all been said in various short but simple quotes.
"The grass on the other side is always greener"
"Too much of a good thing is a bad thing"
"Good only in small doses"
"Proceed with caution" <- if you contemplate the uprooting and moving away.
Nonetheless, was enjoyable reading! :)
thank you.
i believe you are taling about [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900).. ist or 2nd soi on the right as you go down soi 8. you can see the girls sitting out front from soi 8. enjoy your service.
i belive there is a bj bar on soi 8 (sukhumvit) - am i right and, if so, what is the name of it?
thank you.
http://www.lolitasbangkok.com/location.htm
Went to Tulip yesterday in the afternoon. Strangely, not so much choice. Finally I chose Ant.
Not so good experience. There was a big mess in Tulip..A customer was lost and was opening all the room one by one. He opened mine of course while i was with Ant...closed the door...and 5 min later again same thing!
Maybe because of that the experience wasnt great.
Overall no GFE. Only "standard" things allowed...felt bored.
I asked for 1h30 but finally left after 1h.
NicFrenchy
07-16-10, 01:15
Went to Tulip yesterday in the afternoon. Strangely, not so much choice. Finally I chose Ant.
Not so good experience. There was a big mess in Tulip..A customer was lost and was opening all the room one by one. He opened mine of course while i was with Ant...closed the door...and 5 min later again same thing!
Maybe because of that the experience wasnt great.
Overall no GFE. Only "standard" things allowed...felt bored.
I asked for 1h30 but finally left after 1h.
??? A customer opened your Door twice? and you didn't smack the asshole in the head?
Mike Hunt699
07-16-10, 03:42
Hi All,
Went to BKK last month right after the curfew ended. Thanks to another member's recommendation, I stayed at SilQ on Sukhumvit 19. The prices were rock bottom due to the unrest- about 2000 Baht a night. The hotel was clean, safe, had enough amenities, and 100% GF. It was also a 2 min walk to both the SkyTrain and the Metro.
First Night: Arrived on a nearly empty United flight from NRT, flew through customs, and got to the hotel around midnight. I debated for a whole 20 seconds on whether to pass out and wake up early to adjust to the time, or to hit up Soi Cowboy. Walked five minutes to Cowboy (with directions provided happily by the staff) and picked a random bar to hit up. I was pretty much the only customer there so I had the pick of the litter. Chose the prettiest one who wanted to hit up Penny Black a few doors down. I decided that one drink was enough for her and took her back to the hotel. I booted her after nutting. Looks: 8/10, Performance 7/10. Total Damage: 1000 Baht for the night plus 600 Baht bar fine. Second night I hit up another bar on Cowboy, where I quickly left with the pick of the litter again, who wanted to go to Climax, a club on Soi 11. Decently priced drinks, but she drank herself silly and couldn't even walk properly (not that I was complaining). Got my nut back in the hotel, after which she passed out. I'm really hoping it was from the alcohol and not my lackluster performance. The best part? The next morning she just asked for cab fare; it could have something to do with me saying I'd hang out with her the next night. Yeah right. Bar fine: 700 Baht, Cab fare: 100 Baht. Looks 9/10. Peformance 5/10 (in her defense, the alcohol really took a toll on her).
Third night: Picked up Cowboy second stringers at 3 am. All the good ones were taken, so I had to settle. Nothing too great to write about, but least got my nut in by 6 am for 800 baht. Fourth night: Started off at Nana, found a cute girl on stage and took her upstairs. Looks: 8/10, Performance: 9/10 (Those Nana girls sure know how to raise a whiskey dick). Altogether including drinks/bar fine/short term/room 2000 Baht. A bit pricey? Yes, but definitely worth it. I decided it was still early so I checked out Bed Supper Club which was highly rated. I assumed it would be a legit place and that I would have to put my game face on. Chatted up a ridiculously hot girl, around my age (22) who seemed to enjoy just dancing with her friend. Thought my game was winning them over, so they took me to another club which stayed opened til 5 am. They seemed 100% genuine, I. E. Looking to have a good time at the club instead of pushing to hit the sack like the Cowboy/Nana girls. Right as we were about to head back, they quoted 3000 Baht each. Fuck my life. Negotiated the hotter one down to 2000 Baht; again pricey, but I need to get my nut. Banged her out (as a small consolation, she scrubbed my anus with her hands in the shower. God bless Thailand). Looks: 9. 5/10, Performance 9/10. Aww yeah. To this day I don't know if they were really good professionals who kept up the amateur image, or actually amateurs who were looking for some farang dollars to pay for their iPhones.
Fifth night: I was dead tired from finally venturing out sightseeing so I kept it low key. Went to some local bars where it was mostly expat men. After a few beers with some friendly fellow mongers, decided to call it a night. Sixth night: Ran into some English speaking girls on the street who wanted some beers. As a true gentleman, I couldn't refuse. Took them to Climax, bought them a few Singhas, and decided that since I was leaving soon, I might as well bone both. Each one went for 1000 Baht for the night, which wasnt too bad. Looks: 7/10, 6/10, Performance: 7/10, 7/10. My final night I decided to check out a massage parlor (Friend's Massage Sukhumvit 19) for the first time. 400 Baht for a regular massage, but the cute masseuse said she would do the "Special" for 600 Baht extra. Wanting to respect local customs, I obliged immediately. What started off as a good handjob turned into FS with me railing her on the massage table. As I pulled out, she resumed the HJ. Just when I was about to nut, she gave me a prostate massage. Holy Jesus. No homo, but it was incredible. She definitely earned every one of those 600 Baht. I definitely shed a tear or two on the taxi ride back to Suvarnabhumi, thinking of the great talent I would be leaving behind.
Interesting, a bookeepers assessment of Thailand.This should be a report of distinction. I commend you for being able to take the time to document your expenses when you are in a whirlwind of experiences and, as you said, no expense was being spared. What is so great about your report is that it proves something which I know for having been to BKK 5 times for a 7 to 14 days at a time, which is, that there is not better value for fun in the entire world. You spent less than $4000. 00 over 30 days for drinking, eating, transportation, hotels in Pattaya and fucking. That is well less than $150. 00 a day US. Most guys who go to Vegas for the weekend spend $500.00 a day and have FAR less fun. And to do what you did in BKK in Vegas would easily cost $1000. 00 a day, or more. I will be staying there for my first 30 day stay in August and I can't wait.
there is not better value for fun in the entire world. You spent less than $4000. 00 over 30 days for drinking, eating, transportation, hotels in Pattaya and fucking. That is well less than $150. 00 a day US. Most guys who go to Vegas for the weekend spend $500.00 a day and have FAR less fun. And to do what you did in BKK in Vegas would easily cost $1000. 00 a day, or more. I will be staying there for my first 30 day stay in August and I can't wait.Agreed - it is a superb experience. I've done the Vegas thing...once...and it totally blew. And not in the good way. I've also done the Korean massage parlor things in LA, the expensive escort things on Eros, the various SW things in various cities in the US, and it just is not in the same ballpark. If you have a few thousand dollars to spend on this activity, and you can get away from home for a period of time, this is totally the place to go. I think there are other places that are also quite good, but LOS is top quality (despite what some complainers on this board say). And thanks for taking the time to respond.
I will be staying there for my first 30 day stay in August and I can't wait.Two words: pace yourself. Actually, add a third: coffee.
Mealticket
07-16-10, 11:08
they quoted 3000 Baht
I don't know if they were...professionals I'm gonna go out a limb on this one and say "YES" !
Great Post. Stayed at the Silq Before a couple of times. Nice place but there is better value in the area.
Interesting information on Friends Massage. I usually stay at boutique hotel down the small sub-soi next to Family Mart on Soi 19 and am always walking by those couple of massage parlors listening to them calling out. I may actually have to give them a look see.
Hi All,
Went to BKK last month right after the curfew ended. Thanks to another member's recommendation, I stayed at SilQ on Sukhumvit 19. The prices were rock bottom due to the unrest- about 2000 Baht a night. The hotel was clean, safe, had enough amenities, and 100% GF. It was also a 2 min walk to both the SkyTrain and the Metro.
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My final night I decided to check out a massage parlor (Friend's Massage Sukhumvit 19) for the first time. 400 Baht for a regular massage, but the cute masseuse said she would do the "Special" for 600 Baht extra. Wanting to respect local customs, I obliged immediately. What started off as a good handjob turned into FS with me railing her on the massage table. As I pulled out, she resumed the HJ. Just when I was about to nut, she gave me a prostate massage. Holy Jesus. No homo, but it was incredible. She definitely earned every one of those 600 Baht. I definitely shed a tear or two on the taxi ride back to Suvarnabhumi, thinking of the great talent I would be leaving behind.
Jimmy Red Cab
07-16-10, 12:34
Most guys who go to Vegas for the weekend spend $500.00 a day and have FAR less fun. And to do what you did in BKK in Vegas would easily cost $1000. 00 a day, or more.
You can't really compare Vegas to Bangkok, it is like comparing apples to oranges, they are totally different.
Vegas is a five star city ----------- but not the place to go for cheap sex.
Big Daddy 1906
07-16-10, 13:57
Coming thru BKK for a doctors appointment after 5 days in Pattaya (and getting damn near worn out in the process) I finally decide to go to Poseidon and check out the "model's lounge".
I get there around 1645 and there are very few models there. I decide to go thru the book and find 2 prospects. I call one of the mamasan's over and make a selection. She works the phone like a stockbroker during the financial meltdown and tells me that neither of choices will be coming in for at least 90 minutes. I have no desire to wait that long and the mamasan gets all flustered as a group of Japanese tourists come in and she's helping arrange impromptu lineups for them. She gets back and is all apologetic that my choices aren't available and starts pointing out various girls I can take.
(Side note: Having read all the prior reports concerning the quality of those in the model's lounge, I have to concur. All of them are very fair skin (various shades of alabaster) and very HiSo in terms of general appearance. Different shapes and sizes. Those with long shapely legs, ad those who look barely legal. In short, something for everyone.)
Back to the story, I sit mamasan down and get her a lady drink and start to talk to her. (Though mentioned all the time, one of the first rules in the Monger's Handbook should be "always get on the good side of the mamasan!!" It makes things go so much smoother.) This time was no exception. I explain to her what I'm looking for in terms of looks and more importantly personality and attitude and she's off like a shot!! She brings back someone who's cute but I'm not feeling the vibe so I pass. Mamasan is now taking it as a personal challenge to see that I'm satisfied.
She strikes gold with her 2nd pick. She bring over NeNe, who is absolutely beautiful, with baby smooth skin and wonderful attitude. After some small chit-chat, we seal the deal and head to the room. We start off with the massage and as she gets undressed, all I can say is "damn!!!" Her body is damn near perfect with gorgeous perfectly shaped breasts (my compliments to her surgeon). After a massage that I would describe as "adequate" we go to the tub. There I discover the one flaw on her otherwise perfect body. She has a significant, if rather tasteful "tramp stamp". After significant washing, with proper attention to Mr. Happy, it's off for boudoir ballet. I won't go into details but suffice it to say that after 5 days in Pattaya, she exhibited the right amount of attitude , action, and noises to get me across the finish line. All in all, a very good experience.
At the prices that Poseidon charges (Mine came to a little over 5k, including drinks), I'm not sure that I'll make it an every trip occurrence but it was perfectly fine for a "scratch the itch" type of thing. One the way out I saw one of the ones that I originally selected from the photo album. While very attractive, I'll say that hey do wonders with airbrushing! :-) Enjoy!!!
Hi All,
.............The best part? The next morning she just asked for cab fare; it could have something to do with me saying I'd hang out with her the next night. Yeah right. Bar fine: 700 Baht, Cab fare: 100 Baht. Looks 9/10. Peformance 5/10 (in her defense, the alcohol really took a toll on her)........
Did you insist on paying her or you told yourself "hot damn, this is great!!" Go back and pay her, cheapskate.
yup - Vega$$ $ucks.
Nothing to do outside of maybe lay around either a room or a pool and GAMBLE.
Pu$$y is expen$ive (beyond comprehen$ion - even more expen$ive than Mockba - that's "Moscow" and NOT IDAHO!) food's cheap though.
I MUCH PREFER MUANGTHAI.
Great report, with name of place/gal.
Where exactly is the Poseidon?
Thanks.
Coming thru BKK for a doctors appointment after 5 days in Pattaya (and getting damn near worn out in the process) I finally decide to go to Poseidon and check out the "model's lounge".
I get there around 1645 and there are very few models there. I decide to go thru the book and find 2 prospects. I call one of the mamasan's over and make a selection. She works the phone like a stockbroker during the financial meltdown and tells me that neither of choices will be coming in for at least 90 minutes. I have no desire to wait that long and the mamasan gets all flustered as a group of Japanese tourists come in and she's helping arrange impromptu lineups for them. She gets back and is all apologetic that my choices aren't available and starts pointing out various girls I can take.
(Side note: Having read all the prior reports concerning the quality of those in the model's lounge, I have to concur. All of them are very fair skin (various shades of alabaster) and very HiSo in terms of general appearance. Different shapes and sizes. Those with long shapely legs, ad those who look barely legal. In short, something for everyone.)
Back to the story, I sit mamasan down and get her a lady drink and start to talk to her. (Though mentioned all the time, one of the first rules in the Monger's Handbook should be "always get on the good side of the mamasan!!" It makes things go so much smoother.) This time was no exception. I explain to her what I'm looking for in terms of looks and more importantly personality and attitude and she's off like a shot!! She brings back someone who's cute but I'm not feeling the vibe so I pass. Mamasan is now taking it as a personal challenge to see that I'm satisfied.
She strikes gold with her 2nd pick. She bring over NeNe, who is absolutely beautiful, with baby smooth skin and wonderful attitude. After some small chit-chat, we seal the deal and head to the room. We start off with the massage and as she gets undressed, all I can say is "damn!!!" Her body is damn near perfect with gorgeous perfectly shaped breasts (my compliments to her surgeon). After a massage that I would describe as "adequate" we go to the tub. There I discover the one flaw on her otherwise perfect body. She has a significant, if rather tasteful "tramp stamp". After significant washing, with proper attention to Mr. Happy, it's off for boudoir ballet. I won't go into details but suffice it to say that after 5 days in Pattaya, she exhibited the right amount of attitude , action, and noises to get me across the finish line. All in all, a very good experience.
At the prices that Poseidon charges (Mine came to a little over 5k, including drinks), I'm not sure that I'll make it an every trip occurrence but it was perfectly fine for a "scratch the itch" type of thing. One the way out I saw one of the ones that I originally selected from the photo album. While very attractive, I'll say that hey do wonders with airbrushing! :-) Enjoy!!!
AlLostInSpace13
07-17-10, 04:17
Hi guys,
Last week I had an overnight stopover in Bangkok. Picked my regular Dynasty Grande on Suk soi 6. Special internet discount at 1,600baht/night - you just can't say no to that. Took the airport express bus# 3 and surprisingly arrived at hotel before 11. On my way from bus stop to hotel, I already picked up condoms, beers, water and juices, and some food! Checked in without a hitch then left right away for Beer Garden on soi 7.
I was in no hurry, so I grabbed a beer and sat down to watch the World Cup football on tv. After a while I a familiar face, it was Nut. She's in her late 20's, tall and got a nice big ass, ok face, very gfe. I didn't want to commit myself. She introduced me to her 2 (younger) friends. The cuter one's name I forget, but the other one is Goy. Goy's in her early 20's, short and got a round face with some pimples. For one reason or another, I started buying shots for everyone. The cuter one made a move that I dislike - she took a pack of cigarettes and expected me to pay for it. Strike 1. But fortunately after the 6th shooter, she got drunk and went home by herself.
I took Nut and Goy to a seafood hotpot place, and we ate. At the end of meal, I decided to take Goy back to hotel, so I spoke to Nut and gave her 200baht and send her home.
Lady Goy is actually a very nice shapely package, gfe and allowed 3-hole play. The all-nighter cost me 1,500baht. I would do it again (and I did). Took off to Cambodia the next day.
Bangkok does not disappoint.
Spaceman
Just Enough
07-17-10, 04:41
I am trying to decide what the advantages and disadvantages of massage shops vs. bar girls (gogo) are. So far I have it like this:
Cost: About the same. 800+1500 massage vs. 600+1500 bar ST
Location: Mostly small ugly room vs. nice clean hotel room
Girls: Maybe similar but gogos you know EXACTLY what you will end up with. Massage shops, Make-Up and sexy clothes look good and then...who knows
So far I am leaning strongly towards bar girls.
What am I missing?
I am trying to decide what the advantages and disadvantages of massage shops vs. bar girls (gogo) are. So far I have it like this:
Cost: About the same. 800+1500 massage vs. 600+1500 bar ST
Location: Mostly small ugly room vs. nice clean hotel room
Girls: Maybe similar but gogos you know EXACTLY what you will end up with. Massage shops, Make-Up and sexy clothes look good and then...who knows
So far I am leaning strongly towards bar girls.
What am I missing?Sounds expensive to me. 2100 baht for gogo thats 50 euros!
Traveler1234
07-17-10, 12:59
I am trying to decide what the advantages and disadvantages of massage shops vs. bar girls (gogo) are.
What am I missing?
Why not try both? YMMV....
See the link under "soapies" in Ratchada.
http://www.wickedtraveler.com/city-map-guide/?cityid=Bangkok
Great report, with name of place/gal.
Where exactly is the Poseidon?
Thanks.
LittleBigMan
07-17-10, 14:49
I am trying to decide what the advantages and disadvantages of massage shops vs. bar girls (gogo) are. So far I have it like this:
Cost: About the same. 800+1500 massage vs. 600+1500 bar ST
Location: Mostly small ugly room vs. nice clean hotel room
Girls: Maybe similar but gogos you know EXACTLY what you will end up with. Massage shops, Make-Up and sexy clothes look good and then...who knows
So far I am leaning strongly towards bar girls.
What am I missing?
You are missing the Massage! Is that Good Enough answer?
LBM
Just Enough
07-17-10, 14:58
You are missing the Massage! Is that Good Enough answer?
LBMOK. True. Though the massage is usually pathetic, no? I suppose the body to body is somewhat interesting, but if I want a massage, wouldn't I just go get a massage?
Unless you can recommend a place that gives a REAL massage and then the fun part? Rin is the only one I have ever had that would compare with a real massage.
What am I missing?
2 hours pornstyle-like buttfucking (that's what you can get at Tulip, Mango, Snow White or Victoria Massage) vs. 30 minutes in your own room where you never know what kind of service you'll get for your money.
For me it's a pretty easy decision ...
Hi guys,
It looks like I may be spending a lot of time in BKK...a couple months at a time, a few times a year. I've been there a few times and know my way around the mongering scene fairly well but have one question.
I am on prescription testosterone and use Testim gel. Will I be able to get this in Bangkok? If so, do I need a scrip from my Dr in the US, do I need to see a doc in BKK or is it over the counter? Also, any idea of price?
It sure would be convenient if I can get it there at a fair price rather than traveling with several months of supplies.
BTW, for you older mongers out there...check into hormone replacement therapy. The results are amazing. I am almost 60 and feel like I am 35. My muscle mass and bone density are on a steady rise, my energy level is thru the roof and I wake up on Morningwood Drive every day. Plus, the gel is the strongest pheromone you can get. Women (non-pro) are always commenting on my "cologne" and often start nuzzling my neck.to smell it closer (the gel is applied to the shoulders). Some of them become obviously aroused. It really kind of weird...but fun!
Add in the ED drug of your choice and you can feel and perform as if you are in your thirties but have the knowledge, experience, wisdom and (most important) money of a 60 year old. Life is good! Better living through chemistry.
Thanks,
Wags
DR Monger II
07-17-10, 16:03
What time do most of these massage places open and close? thanks.
What time do most of these massage places open and close? thanks.
opening should be between 10:00 am and 11:00 am, closing around midnight
Hi all,
I'll be in a few days in Bkk with my GF who is more than bi-curious (we had a few nice sessions at Annie's). Seems to me that Eden would definitly be a place to visit in that perspective but didn't hear much about it lately.
Is there any Eden specialist who could give me info about it? Is it still rocking? We are looking for mature (30-40's) and attractive ladies. Does that profile exist at Eden? Any advice on Eden or on hot bisexual mature girl in Bkk warmly welcome!
I am trying to decide what the advantages and disadvantages of massage shops vs. bar girls (gogo) are. So far I have it like this:
Cost: About the same. 800+1500 massage vs. 600+1500 bar ST
Location: Mostly small ugly room vs. nice clean hotel room
Girls: Maybe similar but gogos you know EXACTLY what you will end up with. Massage shops, Make-Up and sexy clothes look good and then...who knows
So far I am leaning strongly towards bar girls.
What am I missing?
I've found that in the gogos/beer bars you can sit with the girl before and pre-qualify them as to what they will do. For example: will you do bbbj? Also, you can establish rapport and ask personal questions ie. Do you smoke? Do you have tattoos? Do you shave your pussy? etc. So I find it easier to get exactly what I want.
In the massage parlors you're basically at the mercy of the papasan and his often inaccurate info about the girls. Does anyone know a way around this in the parlors?
Member #4698
07-17-10, 18:27
I am trying to decide what the advantages and disadvantages of massage shops vs. bar girls (gogo) are.
Why not try both? YMMV....
That is the point. You should not rely on just one source. There are many different venues and that is one reason why I prefer BKK over Pat.
Go Go bars offer decent entertainment and libation. At the best ones you will find a lot of very pretty girls. Service varies however and you must select your girl carefully.
Massage parlors (oily) are great for afternoon diversions. There is less variance of service at the better parlors because the girls are under tighter management control. In general, the girls may not be as attractive physically although there are usually some very pretty girls available.
Massage parlors (soapy) may offer the best of all worlds; however it comes at a price. At the high end soapies you can find very pretty girls, reliable service, and good ambiance. 90 minutes will cost anywhere from 2400bt at the lower price range up to and beyond 6000bt at La Belle, Utopia, Long Beach and Tarawadee.
I think the key is to spend enough time in BKK. You need 10 to 14 days minimum, to get it all sorted out. I usually find 1, 2, or 3 girls I like from the Go Go’s. I barfine them and get their phone numbers in case I want to see any of them again. Meanwhile I hit the oilies or soapies in the late afternoon and try to find 1 or 2 massage girls I like best.
After 10 days or so, I have it down. I have got a couple of Go Go girlfriends that I have great sex with in my hotel room and I am considered a semi regular at one or two massage parlors where I am indulged and treated like a man should be treated. Then when everything is going good, I leave for Pat, Macau or parts unknown. One time I think I should spend an entire trip in BKK (30 – 45 days) and see what happens. I envy you guys living and working in BKK.
I think the best time to hit the high-end MPs is from 5 to 7 pm when the better girls show up for work and before all the Thai high-rollers hit the place. No idea about Farang oriented places as I don't go there anymore because of the lack of quality ( I know that there are exceptions that confirm the rule)
opening should be between 10:00 am and 11:00 am, closing around midnight
That's right, if you don't mind that that butt belongs to an overaged and very average looking lady. There are plenty of young and very hot looking Gogo girls that don't mind a bit of Greek, if you know how to ask nicely. Try Ae in Angelwitch, Gung in Tilac or Pond in Carousel.
2 hours pornstyle-like buttfucking (that's what you can get at Tulip, Mango, Snow White or Victoria Massage) vs. 30 minutes in your own room where you never know what kind of service you'll get for your money.
For me it's a pretty easy decision ...
I guess you are talking about the 1982 curfew because for the last 5+ years Cowboy, unfortunately, closes well before 3am.
Third night: Picked up Cowboy second stringers at 3 am.
That's right, if you don't mind that that butt belongs to an overaged and very average looking lady.
I don't mind older or even matured girls and average look is fine for me as well, but I really do mind great services.
And at the places I mentioned before I also got this without any longtime negotiations.
So each to his own ... Bangkok offers enough girls and places for any kind of desire
Thanks, great map.
I want to treat myself in Bangkok, could anyone recommend something on the higher end, with respect to a soapie. One that does not have a sircharg for farangs.
Thank you.
See the link under "soapies" in Ratchada.
http://www.wickedtraveler.com/city-map-guide/?cityid=Bangkok
Old German
07-18-10, 12:00
Answering Kumbu, Report 10627
Thanks for your advice to go to Bossy Club very late. But also later the music will be surely as infernal loud as before. And for me it is important to talk with a girl to get an impression of her, before I take her. In Bossy talking is almost impossible because the noise. So I doubt that I will go again there.
Answering Gaienmae 08, Report 10630
I hope, I didn’t brought you too much about your sleep. But maybe it was a little excitatory for you, if you didn’t have been alone in the next room.
Maybe the Boss should install in some rooms a better sound absorption and offer these rooms as a special occasion. LOL.
I think the best time to hit the high-end MPs is from 5 to 7 pm when the better girls show up for work and before all the Thai high-rollers hit the place. No idea about Farang oriented places as I don't go there anymore because of the lack of quality ( I know that there are exceptions that confirm the rule)
How often are you able to get bbbj at the higher end places? Is there a wide selection of 18-21 yo girls too?
I always specify BBBJ with the Mama/Papasan before I make my selection. No problem in 90% of the cases especially if the mamasan put's in a good word about me being nice and clean. Most of the girl are between 20 and 28 without kids.
For the 18-21 year old I suggest Natree but a lot of them have very limited skills and the rooms are very worn out.
How often are you able to get bbbj at the higher end places? Is there a wide selection of 18-21 yo girls too?
Plenty of mature girls in Eden, but I would not qualify most of them as attractive but then again beauty in the eye of the beholder...
Just go there and have a look. You can always leave if you don't see anybody you like.
You might also wish to check out Carousel in Nana or SuzyWong in Cowboy and barfine one of the (younger than 30) lesbian show girls.
Hi all,
I'll be in a few days in Bkk with my GF who is more than bi-curious (we had a few nice sessions at Annie's). Seems to me that Eden would definitly be a place to visit in that perspective but didn't hear much about it lately.
Is there any Eden specialist who could give me info about it? Is it still rocking? We are looking for mature (30-40's) and attractive ladies. Does that profile exist at Eden? Any advice on Eden or on hot bisexual mature girl in Bkk warmly welcome!
Sounds expensive to me. 2100 baht for gogo thats 50 euros!Welcome to Bangkok! In fact that's pretty moderate for a go-go takeaway.
Just Enough
07-19-10, 03:46
You might also wish to check out Carousel in Nana or SuzyWong in Cowboy and barfine one of the (younger than 30) lesbian show girls.Just FYI, the lesbian show girls are not (necessarily) lesbians. I BF'd one of the most beautiful girls I have ever seen who does a lesbian show at Long Gun for an overnight LT. She was gracious, beautiful and fun to be with, but told me that the lesbian show is just that. She loves slow dancing and has the body to make it happen.
Plenty of mature girls in Eden, but I would not qualify most of them as attractive but then again beauty in the eye of the beholder...
Just go there and have a look. You can always leave if you don't see anybody you like.
You might also wish to check out Carousel in Nana or SuzyWong in Cowboy and barfine one of the (younger than 30) lesbian show girls.I concur. Mature girls in Eden, mostly in their mid thirties and the normal threesome 2 pops. Stretch mark is one thing but changing condom when you're switching girls is a fucking turn off. I think I used up like half more than half a dozen of condoms last time. Choose your own girls instead of letting them choose themselves. That place needs a bit of renovation despite the good hospitality from Mr. M.
Originally Posted by Bayster
Sounds expensive to me. 2100 baht for gogo thats 50 euros!
Welcome to Bangkok! In fact that's pretty moderate for a go-go takeaway.
Yes, I agree. Don't forget also the price of the short time room=300. Most of the 1500 ST girls will want to use rooms close by. If not it's a struggle to get them to go to your hotel at that price. So more like 1500+600+300=OUCH! Bkk isn't cheap!
Hello gents,
I will be in BKK for business and will be staying at the Millennium Hilton and will have business near the Mall Thapra.
Any good action in this area or do I need to head down to the Suk to play?
TIA
pogo
Any good action in this area or do I need to head down to the Suk to play?
I've been at Krung Thon Complex, which is about 300m next to The Mall Thaphra
You can find my report here: So finally I had my stay in Thonburi ... (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=917349&postcount=3107)
Not much. I stay at the Peninsula usually and I have ventured out locally many times and always came back empty. Additionally, I'm sure you will have many touts and "helpful" taxi drivers around your hotel and they will all provide sub-par/rip-off service.
The Silom area is closer from there than Suk. Silom is probably not where you want to be at night but daytime gives you SOL. Suk is not the shortest taxi ride but certainly do-able but you are close enough to the Taksin station to take the skytrain which is quite convenient to SUK, Cowboy & Nana.
QUOTE=Pogostick]Hello gents,
I will be in BKK for business and will be staying at the Millennium Hilton and will have business near the Mall Thapra.
Any good action in this area or do I need to head down to the Suk to play?
TIA
pogo[/QUOTE]
Somewhere15
07-20-10, 10:44
I always like to pick my (short time) girls from a disco area.
Important reason is that I can easily switch between girls (if I don’t like them), the relaxed atmosphere and …..it’s clear what we aiming for (girls for some additional funding and guys for the sex).
Enclosed you find some pictures from the girl I picked from Spasso last night. We didn’t need a cab as she had a big SUV/car and…….after to bed fun she wanted to stay overnight:) That gave that this morning I had my fair share.
Enjoy the pictures.
Somewhere15
07-20-10, 16:35
Yesterday a had a good English cabdriver who drove me to Climax. During the trip he told me if I wanted to go somewhere else. My question was: do you not getting a tip from Climax. Then he explained me that for one passenger he did not get any commission from Climax, as of 2 people they would pay him. That was the start of a wide explanation about the Thai tipping system. He asked me if he could drop me on the Lucky Disco in Soi 13 (probably you spell the name different). He would get a tip from them and the disco was simulair to Spicy, Bossy etc. When I asked him how much commission he would get he said 200 Baht. So if he would have 4 people in one trip he got already 800 Baht (and he said that makes my day).
To do him the favour (and too fullfil my gap in information) I allowed him to drop me around 11:45 PM to Lucky. Together with two other people I was the only customer. When I left (after having my drink to compensate for the 300 Baht entrance fee) the proper asked me where do you go because after 12:30 it would be full with customers......when I told him that I would go to Climax (only 5 mins walk) he sounded not happy.....Climax was 35% full with customers and they had live music.
Has any of you resend expierence with Lucky in Soi 13?
Thanks for your advice to go to Bossy Club very late. For me it is important to talk with a girl to get an impression of her, before I take her. In Bossy talking is almost impossible because the noise. So I doubt that I will go again there.
Coincidentally another old German (Giotto) showed me Bossy Club some time ago, where I picked up this girl (see photos). Yes, it was loud, but I didn't care - she didn't speak a word of English anyway. Not a full-time pro, just a girl taking the opportunity.
I still remember chuckling when I pointed her out to Giotto while she was dancing wildly on the dance floor with some young western guys who were trying to pick up freebies all night. I confidently told Giotto, "I'm taking that hot little cutie tonight". He laughed and told me not to waste my time, as she was too cute, probably not a working girl, and she wouldn't be interested in me. I said "Oh yeah? Watch this". I waved her over to us and said "Let's go". Like magic, she smiled goodnight to the guys, came over to me with a smile and she, Giotto and I walked out together to get a taxi back to Giotto's Lodge. Giotto looked confused and scratched his head and I laughed. (He didn't know I had already made all the arrangements with her in the three minutes while he had gone for a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)).
But Giotto had the last laugh in the taxi when Pretty Babe said something in Thai. He translated for me with a schadenfreude grin: "She said she's drunk and feels sick".
Damn!
We arrived at the Lodge, I took her back my room, made her tea and let her settle down a while until she was feeling better. Had a mediocre session of okay blowjobs and a couple of positions (she was clearly inexperienced) and I gave her a smack on her cute ass and a taxi fare home soon after. Like the old adage goes, the prettiest ones are often not the best performers.
C'est la vie!
Tokyohomeboy
07-20-10, 17:41
Hi guys,
I am on prescription testosterone and use Testim gel. Will I be able to get this in Bangkok?
No, you won't. They don't sell the gels in Thailand. You can get testosterone depot, which you inject, with a prescription.
Member #4351
07-20-10, 18:06
You can get all kinds of testosterone except the gel with excellent prices at the last Pharmacy walking from Soi Nana towards the Marriott. I stocked up last trip. No prescription necessary. The problem is getting someone to inject you. THAT is difficult to do without a prescription.
Interesting, a bookeepers assessment of Thailand.That is very fun to read. However, your "spending money like the plague" makes me weep a bit. I spent over USD 10k on my past three trips there (each), and those were only 12-16 days each. Granted I flew first class (from China) and generally stayed in nicer hotels and spent more on food, but you seem to have gotten much more for your money than I did (though I'm really not complaining). One thing I did include was some threesomes+. And some rather silly tips when excellent service was provided (which bought me more the next time, I. E. The reason I do that). I also chose stunners for the most part, and that cost me a bit more. However, given this post I am thinking I can stretch my dollar a lot further than I have been.
In any case, I give kudos to this as one of the most useful reports in a long, long, long time.
B
Welcome to Bangkok! In fact that's pretty moderate for a go-go takeaway....and in America that would cost you between $200 and $1000. Stop complaining and enjoy. Or otherwise, just go to a totally third world country like Cambodia.
...and in America that would cost you between $200 and $1000. Stop complaining and enjoy. Or otherwise, just go to a totally third world country like Cambodia.Please, stop comparing prices in Thailand with those in your own country. The average MONTHLY wage in Thailand is lesser than US$300 (and not even half than that in the rural parts of this country from where most of the local P4P girls are coming from)!
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31 days until I arrive in Bangkok. I will arrive at midnight and will be exhausted and jet-lagged, so only want to go to one bar. So which is the best bar to go to on the first night? My three requirements are beautiful, friendly, and naked. Last time I went to Sheeba's, and the girls were friendly and naked, but the next morning I found out my girl was not beautiful. On subsequent trips to Sheeba's I discovered most of the girls weren't beautiful, with the exception of one unfriendly stunner who didn't want to go with me.
Future Man1
07-21-10, 04:58
Hi,
I have around 9 hours to transit at bangkok airport for my onward journey,
please help on best options for monegering and experaince bangkok during these 9 hours.
thanks in help in advance
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Greetings Jackson!
It was not exactly a photo, but a page of the 2009 mid-year economic review by the Bangkok Post.
I must change its size if I want to add it as an attachment to my report because of the current ISG forum's picture size limitations, and then, it's barely readable (too small). That's why I added a link to the original picture (1044x1401 pixels) (http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/4504/ber2009p6.gif) instead in my previous report.
Please, check the attached file and compare it with the original version (http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/4504/ber2009p6.gif) and you will understand why I posted a link.
Thank you in advance for your understanding.
Cheers,
G.
hi,
i have around 9 hours to transit at bangkok airport for my onward journey,
please help on best options for monegering and experaince bangkok during these 9 hours.
thanks in help in advance
what time will you arrive in bangkok? i would suggest some renowned venues (such as the eden club, [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s or annie's massage for instance and among many other possibilities) because it's easier when you can spend just a few hours in town, and satisfaction is almost guarantee there, but you have to be careful because traffic can be horrendous in bangkok and depending on the time of your arrival and departure (and on your stamina, of course!), you might be able to visit more than one place or not...
Spent a nite during my BKK trip at Nana, was at Rainbow 4 I believe, upstairs. The quality of girls are good.
Took one to sit with me, perfect body and tits. She said business was slow 3 weeks ago but now picking up. After some small talk she was up on the stage dancing again, saw a couple of mongers looking seriously at her and I decide to take her back.
Bar fine 600 Baht, ST 2000 Baht and LT 4000 Baht. I took the ST, treated her really well as she was such a nice lovely gal. Got her number and promised I'll return to BKK for more.
Overall great experience, BKK Rocks.
31 days until I arrive in Bangkok. I will arrive at midnight and will be exhausted and jet-lagged, so only want to go to one bar. So which is the best bar to go to on the first night? My three requirements are beautiful, friendly, and naked. Last time I went to Sheeba's, and the girls were friendly and naked, but the next morning I found out my girl was not beautiful. On subsequent trips to Sheeba's I discovered most of the girls weren't beautiful, with the exception of one unfriendly stunner who didn't want to go with me.Just go to Nana Plaza, take a pick of the bars and the girls, they are not pushy at all you can take your sweet time and get a really sweet girl. For some you can see everything before you choose so its a great place.
Hi,
I have around 9 hours to transit at bangkok airport for my onward journey,
please help on best options for monegering and experaince bangkok during these 9 hours.
thanks in help in advance
You can do quite well if you transit time is after 12 noon or so.
I once landed at 1.30pm, off through immigration and at 3pm was comfortably sipping a coke with #5 at Annie's (march '10, booked her a week in advance with Aye) freshening up for the 90 min. session with her. What a nice way to break a very long trip to downunder from Europe. By 5pm I was ready to go at anyplace and preferred to head back to airport (my next flight was at 11pm) as didnt want to stroll around with my laptop bag. But could have easily spent another 2-3 hours "playing" around.
31 days until I arrive in Bangkok. I will arrive at midnight and will be exhausted and jet-lagged, so only want to go to one bar. So which is the best bar to go to on the first night? My three requirements are beautiful, friendly, and naked. Last time I went to Sheeba's, and the girls were friendly and naked, but the next morning I found out my girl was not beautiful. On subsequent trips to Sheeba's I discovered most of the girls weren't beautiful, with the exception of one unfriendly stunner who didn't want to go with me.
at least you didnt find out in the morning that they were not girls yet!, lol!
On a more serious note, one of my future schedules sees my arrival at 22.30 and departing the day after at appr noon time. I might end up at Livingstone: a safe shelter with its Sports Bar...
Please, stop comparing prices in Thailand with those in your own country. The average MONTHLY wage in Thailand is lesser than US$300 (and not even half than that in the rural parts of this country from where most of the local P4P girls are coming from)!
The point is that it is not that expensive for most foreigners who are visiting, relative the THEIR income. Or, if it is, then just go somewhere where it is cheaper. That's how life works, and complaining does no good at all - it's just wishing the world were somehow different than it really is, and in this case viewing a 95% full glass as half empty.
-B-
Indo Phile
07-21-10, 23:46
in this case viewing a 95% full glass as half empty.
-B-
Pessimist saying glass half empty.
Optimist saying glass half full.
Engineer saying glass full. Half water half air.
Sorry cannot helping myself...
Indo Phile
07-21-10, 23:46
Promised a field report so here we go.
Spent long time planning big trip thinking is last time can do this. Plan plan plan checking forum every time,
more plan plan plan, checking forum. Sure nothing can going wrong.
The results.
Shanghai - Expo crackdown FAIL.
Chengdu - LE crackdown FAIL.
Kunming - building shut for repairing FAIL.
Hong Kong - find Fililina with beauty face SUCCESS but go back hotel and period start. Spend 2 minutes boom boom
and 2 hours cleaning blood from bed. FAIL.
AC day 1 - going wrong bar next door in accident. Forget to read sign - me stupid. Dancer lady choose Indo Phile!
SUCCESS! Go back hotel and period start. 2 minutes boom boom in bed and 2 hours cleaning blood from bed. FAIL.
Hotel charge for stains. FAIL. Try boom boom in shower but in 2 minutes looking like famous scene from Psycho.
Better stop. FAIL.
AC day 2 - this time reading sign correct. Most beautiful lady choose Indo Phile! Lady very enthusiastic inside
bar. I think phrase is all over like rash. Leave bar for eating and lady already boned fish. Go back hotel now is
dead boned fish from freezer. FAIL.
AC day 3 - see dancing event in new bar. Fall in love with best dancing lady. Try to buying her drink when she
leaving stage but another customer quicker and take her home. FAIL. Go home heartbroken. Waitress say come back
tomorrow early.
AC day 4 - Arrive early. Dancing lady there. Joy oh joy! Happies man alive. But lady ill and not wanting bar fine
only drink. FAIL. Going home more heartbroken but decide maybe try another bar. Find new waitress with most
beautiful face. Looking very like Lili Thai twin. SUCCESS? No, having period sorry. FAIL.
AC day 5 - Three time lucky. Arrive early. Dancing lady sent to another bar. Find other bar. Is only 7:15 but
lady bar fine already. FAIL. Going home totally heartbroken. On way hotel trying another bar. Only 2 customers
and many lady so cannot go wrong. Buy 20 lady drinks and barfine 3 lady. Go to hotel. Shower together. Good
start. Lady hungry. Place massive order room service. Enough food for whole bar arrive. Check bill same size room
rate. Ladies eat and say sleep now. No no bit of action first. Ask for HJ to start. One lady do little bit. Ok BJ
please. No lady wanting. Please pleaes please. One lady try and really not wanting. Lady attitude cause total
power failure from Indo Phile significant other. First time ever happen. Very embarrased. Going bathroom to try
Star Wars (Hand Solo). Ok not perfect but strong enough. Going back room and ladies in bed sleeping. Pretending
sleeping more like. No room for Indo Phile in bed so sleeping on sofa. FAIL. Ladies wake up and say going now bye
bye. Try to get action but ladies leave. FAIL x3.
AC day 6 - Last chance. Favourite dancing lady now having period. HEART FAILURE. Try new bar. Cute spinner choose
Indo Phile. Success? Bar fine ok? Check. No period? Check. Go bar hopping. She keep choosing bars with only few
ladies dancing. Boring boring boring. Can go hotel now? Ok but only massage. Thinking maybe is special massage.
No is only normal massage but very very good. Then lady leave. FAIL.
Ok try new country. LOS shooting fish in barrel.
Soi Cowboy day 1 - plane late so cannot go. FAIL.
SC day 2 - trying Long Gun. Good dancing lady ask for drink. Indo Phile like so yes. Maybe success? Sorry having
boyfriend so cannot going with customer. FAIL. But she say can choosing other lady. OK. Everytime Indo Phile
looking and liking first lady hugging and kissing so new lady stay away. FAIL.
SC day 3 - trying Suzie Wong. Little choice but only really want to see show. Trying watching lesbian show then
lady having annoying voice arriving. Keeping hard hitting Indo Phile arm for buying her lady drink. Trying polite
to talk to her and watch but inpossible and miss most of show. Really want to buy drinks for 2 show ladies at
this end of stage but missing chance because annoying voice lady. FAIL.
Wait for second showing. This time another lady stand in way asking for drinks. Will not move and no other seats
for customer so cannot seeing show. How many nos do you need to understand miss? FAIL
SC day 4 - checking forum and internet. Recommend Shark. First trying Suzie again for seeing show. First showing
customer sitting in front. Cannot seeing. FAIL. Second show waitress standing in way. Cannot seeing. FAIL. Ok
trying Shark. Soon see 2 very very sexy ladies. Success? Thining maybe they already having customer. No they sit
with me. YEs! They asking Indo Phile for bar fine both. Good good. Going hotel ok? First going disco. Ok can. But
ladies drinking lady drinks like going out of fashion. Choosing most tequila drinks and down in one is
understandingable. But even full glass coke/whisky down in one. Not good sign.
On way to disco ladies say want visiting another bar. They saying they not knowing any other bar but Shark. Ok
can. Go inside and buying a drink each. Then lady 1 asking this lady my friend you buy her drink. Then she
finding another friend. Then lady 2 finding friends for drinks. Funny so many friends when never been inside bar
before. Buy a few drinks for friends but refusing buying more. Lady 2 sulking.
Go disco don't know name or location. Some Suckhumvit soi not sure. Paying for 3 people. Have 10 minutes drinking
and dancing. So far good. Then Lady 2 say I not liking her now and I liking her friend more. No No not true. Try
hard to please lady 2. Now lady 1 saying not liking her now and I liking her friend more. Familiar story. Not
true liking both. Lady 1 and 2 keep talking to other ex-customers. Very annoying but cannot say no because Indo
Phile not wanting being rude. Paying for them yes but now owning them.
After many more drinks and dancing Lady 1 disappear for 20 minutes talking on phone. Lady 2 say she going toilet.
Indo Phile alone so go toilet. Something to do. Come back quickly and Lady 2 searching Indo Phile. Where you go?
Only toilet. Ok, she going toilet now. But you just going toilet? No no talking to friend. Friend looking like
ex-customer. Hmm. Lady 2 ask where lady 1. Indo Phile don't know so suggest Lady 2 looking for her in toilet. Now
Lady 2 angry. ??? She yelling at Indo Phile ear but music too loud cannot hear. So going outside. Lady 2 yelling
you like Lady 1 more because you looking for her. Tell her she asking where Lady 1 is not me. Then Lady 1 arrive
and ladies starting arguing. Lady 2 very very dramatic. Overacting definite. Noticing one moment when Ladies 1
and 2 looking each other. Then stupid Indo Phile awake. Is trick. So asking ladies you playing games? You playing
trick? Not saying no. Can staying and argue but what the point? Walk away. FAIL x2.
Go back Shark to complain but is closed. More FAIL.
SC day 5 - go Shark early. Complain mamasan. Sorry lady say is customer fault. Not paying them money. 5000 on
drinks not counting. Sorry but cannot helping customer because happened yesterday. Shark right name for bar.
Ok nothing else can going wrong. Go Suzie Wong to see show. Customer all sitting on sides not by stage so can
have good view. One customer size of small mountain coming in just as show starts. Sits right in front at stage.
FAIL.
Spend time talking waitress. Very sweet but waitress only. FAIL.
Meantime lady sitting behind sometimes reaching over and hitting me in the head. Is this supposed to be fun?
Leave me alone.
Dancing girl choose Indo Phile. Success at last? Buy her lady drink. Cannot speak English. Ok no problem Indo
Phile English crap too. She sits legs cross, arms cross, face cross. Takes 1 sip, talks 1 sentence Thai to
waitress, gets up and leaves. Waitress say she is tired and is going home. See her 5 minutes later leaving with
man. Maybe not customer don't care. Why did I pay the bill? FAIL.
Remember from forum that Sheba have show. Ok last chance. No show. One dancing lady choosing Indo Phile but she
very very very drunk. Goodbye please. Please stop hitting me. Indo Phiel bruise easy. No really please stop
punching me. Please stop sitting with me. Goodbye please. Help! Ok plan B. Buy 2 waitresses drinks and sit
between them so maurauding drunk people cannot attack. Talking ok but no choice lady. Is late already. Finally
see one who fitting the bill - two arms, two legs, two of most things, one everything else. No having unexpected
man parts. Check. Sorry already have customer. FAIL.
Ok bit desperate now. See another lady dancing by door. Cute tall slim. ok go go go quick bar closing soon.
Approach and start dancing with her. 2 seconds later drunken mad dancer attacks from behind yelling she love me.
Take difficult 20 seconds self defense removing her without breaking anything. Try talking to cute tall slim and
lights come on immediately. Cute tall slim say bar closed now bye bye and pointing to door. FAIL.
Now desperate. Music from Tilac. Ok still open. Go inside lots of ladies still there. Little bit like
supermarket. Spend 10 seconds looking lights on staff off. Bar closed bye bye. FAIL.
If you not doing better than Indo Phile then you very really rubbish.
Please not telling me how rubbish I am. Upset enough already. How hard can this be? Spent many thousands of baht
and pesos and got nothing but trouble, disapointment, and a bit of blood all for 2 minutes boom boom with lady
who bleeds like sacrifice goat.
Time Indo Phile retire?
...Time Indo Phile retire?
Try offering them some money next time. SUCCESS!
Time Indo Phile retire?
Time to find another hobby ?
Seems you don't have any luck at SC go-go, so may I suggest you pick up a FL on Sukhumvit next time. If they are out looking for customers, chances are they are not bleeding like a "sacrifice goat".
For what you spent on drinks in 1 night, you could have had 5 ST.
or you could try one of many soapies, or oilies in BKK.
Indo Phile,
you dah MAN!!!
What an uplifting, inspirational report, many thanks. As I read it I could feel the frustration and pain you were going through, wow.
I love this report because it gives me hope. I think in any other activity, a regular man such as Indo Phile (I assume you are a regular guy) would have given up after...maybe...the third FAIL. But FAIL after FAIL and you just kept plugging along. And 34 FAILSs later, you still have the motivation to write up this wonderful report. Wow. The next time I bomb, er, I mean FAIL, I will remember this report.
Looking at your previous posts (many in China), you seem to have found some success, so this massively FAILed trip is an anomaly. Any thoughts on why you FAILed so miserably this time?
Maybe you were too polite? Maybe you were too drunk? Maybe you were not focussed enough? Maybe it was just bad luck? Any thoughts?
And just an observation, please don't take offense from it: your writing style reads much like Thai bar girl English, which just adds to the enjoyment of the report. That may offend you, but please don't let it - I mean no offense, and I find it really quite charming (no sarcasm).
LittleBigMan
07-22-10, 04:29
Indo Phile,
I have one gun left, you can have it! but I'll have to charge you for the bullets.
LBM
ah indo phile - engineer also say "Glass twice as big as needs to be"
Wasn't there an old Lil Abner character called Joe Bxtlfrxtd or something. That character could fuck up a wet dream - entirely and totally bad luck.
LBM - so he can shoot self in foot??
Indo Phile
07-22-10, 06:51
Daddy07 - did pay all barfine ladies PI. Buy some drinks for all non barfine, sometimes many drinks. Same same SC except Shark attack ladies but buy them many many drinks.
1Ball - too scary of freelancers. Have enough trouble with lady with mamasan. But learn from Shark that complaining waste of time. Not going massage lady because really really wanting wake up next to someone in the morning.
LBM and Dinghy - thanking you for good offer of gun. Too dangerous to others. Miss own foot hit Bangkok Mayor. International scandal. Picture in papers worldwide. Fame at last. Die in Bangkok Hilton. Indo Phile RIP. No flowers. Donations to UNICEF.
Kumbu - happy you liking report. Bit painful to write but make me feel better. Feeling loser and lonely. Your reply make me feeling little bit happier.
Yes had some good time in Shanghai. Then Expo destroy everything. 70 billion US spent well!
No offense writing style. Result of mixed education. Too polite yes. Too drunk no. Only drinking little bit alcohol. Always buying more lady drinks than customer drinks. Sometimes going 711 for water so not seeing double. Not foccussed maybe. Problem is bad eyesight and dark bar. Cannot seeing lady number some times not seeing face. So go careful. Maybe go too slow. When I see good one other customer there first everytime. Maybe school should not teaching English style manners and queing. Maybe should learn Chinese style queing - apologies to 1.5 billion people. Wishing was here when curfew. Maybe can be only customer so fastest man in bar!
Indo Phile
07-22-10, 06:55
Forgotting also visiting bar in Perimeter AC day 6 afternoon after 3xFAIL with Insomnia ladies and power fail with significant other.
Good start - go in wrong bar. Sign outside in wrong place. Waitress say many customers same same mistake. Why not moving sign? fail but only little letters. Polite customer so finishing drink and going correct Candybar.
Two ladies liking me. Few lady drinks to see if liking them. Yes good fun. Barfine and back to hotel. Start action and lady 2 getting giggles. Now lady 1 giggling. Indo Phile catch giggles. Everyone giggling. Now giggling becoming total laughter. Fun but destroying atmosphere. Now suffer second power failure in 24 hours.
Rush in bathroom and more Star Wars action. Ok fixed. Boom boom lady 1 a bit then change lady 2. Blood everywhere. Is every lady in AC having period in same week? Now having total power FAILure. Cannot fixing and cannot finish. 1xfail + 1xFail + 1xFAIL + 1x power FAIL.
To improve English been watching BBC World TV. Liking Top Gear very much. They saying alot how hard can it be? For Indo Phile finding boom boom lady in brothel really very hard. Think Clarkson saying Indo Phile biggest loser... ...IN THE WORLD.
Indo Phile
07-22-10, 10:48
Choosing what to do last night in BKK.
1 Soi Cowboy
2 NEP
3 Patphong
4 stay hotel watch Top Gear learn English
Votes in an email to stupid customer of the month @ loser. com
Very good learning English with Top Gear. Many many useful English.
Captain Slow = Indo Phile choosing lady
How hard can it be? = Indo Phile in bar
What can possibly go wrong? = read Indo Phile reports
Also find English TV show Worst Week of my Life. Yes me too. Maybe can sell story to BBC for new series?
Distantpeak
07-22-10, 10:52
Great report Indo Phile. I suspect you are either far too polite or lack confidence. Whichever it is, girls will exploit you! Start being a bit more decisive and telling them what you want! Did you want to dance and drink all night? Or just go back to room and boom boom?
Make it happen dude. Or you will get far to used to failure.
Choosing what to do last night in BKK.
1 Soi Cowboy
2 NEP
3 Patphong
4 stay hotel watch Top Gear learn English
Votes in an email to stupid customer of the month @ loser. com
Very good learning English with Top Gear. Many many useful English.
Captain Slow = Indo Phile choosing lady
How hard can it be? = Indo Phile in bar
What can possibly go wrong? = read Indo Phile reports
Also find English TV show Worst Week of my Life. Yes me too. Maybe can sell story to BBC for new series?
Maybe hire an escort for the night or go to Annie's or the like? Here's hoping you get some action!!!
LittleBigMan
07-22-10, 15:32
Indo Phile,
I was thinking forget the bars and the go's go's and play it safe and go to the massage parlors like Annie's, Tulips, etc... but then you might slip in the tub at Annies and break your neck or get a huge rash from a oil massage. Take extra precaution on Condoms, with your luck if you ever inside a women it might break. Also stay away from any standing water in Thailand you might get beaten by a mosquitoe and get Dinge Fever
As for the gun it was a thought but like mention you might shoot yourself in the foot or hurt someone else and end up in the papers like David Carradine in the hotel. You might want to consider a Hotel room on the lower level and without a balconey!
Looks like no one really has a answer for you so your screwed but hope your luck change.
LBM
If you cannot get laid in BKK,Pattaya, AC- There is a real problem.
When you pick a lady, barfine a lady etc it is a business where you pay for the services. Maybe you are thinking like it is a normal date with no guarantee of sex. The nicer you are the harder the girls try to get out of giving you sex.
Having said that I really do not believe your complete story. Part of it maybe true. It is impossible for you to strike out completely unless you cannot get the dick up .
Come on, you picked up these ladies in a house of prostituition or otherwise known as Go go bars. All mongers strike out once in a while when a supposedly horny girl in the bar promises but do not deliver. It struck me really funny that there were three ladies sleeping on your bed and you go to the rest room to masturate? If I were you wake up one and stick your dick up there. Then go to the next one. Why would you order food to the room? If you want to feed them feed them only after sex when everybody is hungry.
Get off your good persona image and do what all mongers do or atleast learn to do. You are in the mongering world and behave like a monger, not a schoolboy on first date!
LittleBigMan
07-22-10, 17:35
Yea, Indo!
Quit whining and being a pussy! Be a man! get back in the saddle! get back up on the plate! and hit a f--king homerun for the team. Think you are a roaing Indo tank! We need you man! Don't let us down again! Go get him boy!
LBM
BKK Dreaming
07-22-10, 19:27
if its your last day, start early, then if it goes to hell you have a few more chances !
Beer garden Soi 7 around 6pm, if nothing go to Nana around 8pm , then Soi Cowboy, if you are lucky you will have 3 great times !
good luck
BK
If you cannot get laid in BKK,Pattaya, AC- There is a real problem.
Calling TheKid, anone seen TheKid recently?
That is very fun to read. However, your "spending money like the plague" makes me weep a bit. I spent over USD 10k on my past three trips there (each), and those were only 12-16 days each. Granted I flew first class (from China) and generally stayed in nicer hotels and spent more on food, but you seem to have gotten much more for your money than I did (though I'm really not complaining). One thing I did include was some threesomes+. And some rather silly tips when excellent service was provided (which bought me more the next time, I. E. The reason I do that). I also chose stunners for the most part, and that cost me a bit more. However, given this post I am thinking I can stretch my dollar a lot further than I have been.
In any case, I give kudos to this as one of the most useful reports in a long, long, long time.
BBottom line you can geta GREAT Botique hotel in BKK that would cost $300 a night in NYC for $50.00 US or more and there is NO REASON to pay more than 3000 bhat LT and 2000 and even 1500 is VERY doable for great girls. You just need to talk to them for a while, get them to invest sometime in you. Half the time girls wil just tell you to pay them what you like if you pick them up at Climax or the like. ALSO -- NO TIPPING. The tip is that I make the cum a whole lot and treat them with respect and I want to see them again. If the 2nd visit doesn't live up I still spent less than I would have had I tipped and if it is great I made out. As far a food, Enjoy the local food, is amazing and can be had for a steal A bowl ow Shark Fin soup which is giant and $20 UA in BKK would cost over $200 in a fine Chinese restaurant in the USA.
Kevin
Time Indo Phile retire?
Indo Phile,
First make sure you are very clean, well dressed, and smell nice. Be polite but in the end you pay money for sex. Cannot fail regularly. Sure shit happens and meet a period once in a while. Being too stingy also leads to failure.
Don't get manipulated too much. We do extra good things for the girl after she has been good to us!
You need to pick some things that are absolutely sure!
Bargirls are not so sure and difficult.
Tulip Massage and some other Massage parlors are absolutely sure. The girl will be blowing you in the shower most likely. The entire session will be sex, sex, sex. No time for massage! Check that girl is not on period before going upstairs. She should really tell first anyway.
A goody Soapy parlour as someone else advised is also a good bet.
Only once you start getting success, success, success, then consider moving onto other more challenging things.
I have taken multiple girls from SW to screw several times, and no problems. They know what to expect as do I. Our communication is good. But if you don't want to buy any drinks for girls, they might ignore you. Some girls are a nusiance. Ignore them!
As far a food, Enjoy the local food, is amazing and can be had for a steal A bowl ow Shark Fin soup which is giant and $20 UA in BKK would cost over $200 in a fine Chinese restaurant in the USA.
Kevin
Nice to know you are contributing to the mass killing of sharks, which are then disgarded to the bottom of the ocean, so you can enjoy some fin soup.
Good on you.
Do you boil bunnies for fun also?
Just go to Nana Plaza, take a pick of the bars and the girls, they are not pushy at all you can take your sweet time and get a really sweet girl.I'm worse off than the original poster. My flight lands at 11:45 p.m., so by the time I pass immigration, retrieve my luggage, clear customs, change money, taxi to the Grand Millennium Hotel, check in and shower it will almost certainly be 2:00 a.m. I know I could hit one of the after hours clubs, like Bossy. But I was wondering if there is any action in the Soi Cowboy area at that hour. I assume all the massage places close at midnight. Correct? Are there any after hours clubs in that area, or bars where I could pull a girl and head back to the hotel?
I'm worse off than the original poster. My flight lands at 11:45 p.m., so by the time I pass immigration, retrieve my luggage, clear customs, change money, taxi to the Grand Millennium Hotel, check in and shower it will almost certainly be 2:00 a.m. I know I could hit one of the after hours clubs, like Bossy. But I was wondering if there is any action in the Soi Cowboy area at that hour. I assume all the massage places close at midnight. Correct? Are there any after hours clubs in that area, or bars where I could pull a girl and head back to the hotel?
Bunky, since the red shirt incident, the airport has been a morgue. I have landed several times since, at all different hours, and each time, have walked up to passport control, only to find the oficer reading the paper. Get a seat up front in the plane, so 400 people don't find themselves in front of you. Are you checking luggage, or hand carry only? If the latter, you will be checked in to your hotel by 1.00 AM. Tons of things to do at that hour. Some SC bars will be closing, and while it doesn't compare to the NEP parking lot, there will be many girls eager to please. If not, a stroll down to soi 3 will yield at least 100 girls whom you can choose. Last resort, the parking lot.
good luck.
I'm worse off than the original poster. My flight lands at 11:45 p.m., so by the time I pass immigration, retrieve my luggage, clear customs, change money, taxi to the Grand Millennium Hotel, check in and shower it will almost certainly be 2:00 a.m.
I always arrive in Thailand at that time of night (20+ trips) and have never had a problem, especially in the Nana area. I have been out and about until 6-7 AM and still see many freelancers in SC and Nana parking lot. There is even the occasional gem (9 and 10s) looking to hookup. I was out one morning and saw an absolute stunner. She was so pretty, I asked her why she didn't have any customers. She said most men either think she is "too pretty" or a ladyboy. She then proceeded to place my hand down her pants to prove that she wasn't. As I was chatting her up a fellow monger who I was talking to and overheard our conversation jumped in...asked "how much?" she told him 1500 baht ST and off they went.....shit!!! Anyway he told me later the service was ok but not spectacular, but that she was a true beauty.
Nice to know you are contributing to the mass killing of sharks, which are then disgarded to the bottom of the ocean, so you can enjoy some fin soup.
Good on you.
Do you boil bunnies for fun also?
Play nice now. People who live in glass houses should not throw rocks.
I always arrive in Thailand at that time of night (20+ trips) and have never had a problem, especially in the Nana area. I have been out and about until 6-7 AM and still see many freelancers in SC and Nana parking lot. There is even the occasional gem (9 and 10s) looking to hookup.True this. I like to go for early morning walks before it gets hot, and have seen many an attractive lady who must be leaving their L/T date from the night before. Think of them as morning wood hunters. I have encountered little price resistance for a quick and dirty time.
SunLover
Bomb going off in Central Bangkok.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Updated-9-people-injured-in-Big-C-Rajdamri-explosi-30134525.html
I would suggest people excercise extreme caution if this now moves to be campaign of violence by whoever it is.
It could be government people doing it to keep the State of Emergency in effect.
It could be Southern Muslim Insurgents doing it.
It could be red shirt sympathisers.
It could be government coalition partners trying to keep the State of Emergency in effect.
Whatever, its "Bangkok Dangerous" when bombs go off in places where you or I could be.
No worries, IP. Even famous baseball star Babe Ruth struck out more times than home run. Get back to the plate and do it again! Your luck is bound to change!The Babe and even Ted Williams, I am sorry to say, would be losers in Bangkok with their averages. I'd say .750 should be what a just average player should be hitting here!
Guys I was wondering if there is any action on the other side of the river from the Saphan Taksin BTS stop? The area where the last two BTS stops are-Krung Thon Buri and Wongwian Yai BTS stops-is a huge area of Bangkok yet never mentioned on this board. Anyone know of any massage parlors or freelance action on that side of town?
Bomb going off in Central Bangkok.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Updated-9-people-injured-in-Big-C-Rajdamri-explosi-30134525.html
I would suggest people excercise extreme caution if this now moves to be campaign of violence by whoever it is.
It could be government people doing it to keep the State of Emergency in effect.
It could be Southern Muslim Insurgents doing it.
It could be red shirt sympathisers.
It could be government coalition partners trying to keep the State of Emergency in effect.
Whatever, its "Bangkok Dangerous" when bombs go off in places where you or I could be.As an update, 1 dead and 8 injured. For those who do not know where this is, the bomb was in front of the Big C in the road that joins Chidlom to Pratunam.
The big Big C, opposite central world.
Anyone could have been walking there, I often do if I wander down to Panthip Plaza.
Get off your good persona image and do what all mongers do or atleast learn to do. You are in the mongering world and behave like a monger, not a schoolboy on first date!Thank you thank you! You are speaking my mind out loud!! Argh, rainy evening at Bangkok, guess it will be a late start today.
Guys I was wondering if there is any action on the other side of the river from the Saphan Taksin BTS stop? The area where the last two BTS stops are-Krung Thon Buri and Wongwian Yai BTS stops-is a huge area of Bangkok yet never mentioned on this board. Anyone know of any massage parlors or freelance action on that side of town?
On Rachadaphisek road there, which is the extension of the Thanon Rama III road, there is the Mall shopping center. On this side of the road about 1km going back towards Rama III road there is a a big thai style night club with many photos of the singers outside. On this same building entering from the side door there is a soapy on the second floor with a good selection of young providers.
I haven't been there for some years and I don't recall the name. I used to go there in the early evening when I was staying at the Marriott on Charoen Nakhorn road close by. Prices at that time were average aiming for the Thais. Not farangs there and surcharges as I recall. I used to pay about 1700 baht for the two hrs treatment. About 30-50 girls around 4pm.
Hope it helps.
Anyone could have been walking there, I often do if I wander down to Panthip Plaza.Me, too, as I go to Super Rich to change money just past there.
I was at Siam yesterday at 5:45 pm. You could hear many sirens as ambulances and police went to the scene.
Really, though, just another day in Bangkok. Anyone who thinks that things have settled down is not listening to what the people have to say. Just wait until #1 checks out...talk about shite hittin' the fan!
New Imhotep
07-26-10, 19:05
I'm Leaving BKK tmr night.
Any recommendation for action before 6pm?
I'm thinking of body massage which place I can have 2 shots for around 1500 baht?
Also if anyone happy to send to me busty young freelancer no that will be great.
Cheers
NI
As an update, 1 dead and 8 injured. For those who do not know where this is, the bomb was in front of the Big C in the road that joins Chidlom to Pratunam.
The big Big C, opposite central world.
Anyone could have been walking there, I often do if I wander down to Panthip Plaza.
Huh. I was at that exact Big C just last Friday.
Strangely disconcerting how, given a different day, I could have sharpnel in my face (or be dead) at the moment.
That..... sucks.
PolyOrchid
07-27-10, 03:42
Huh. I was at that exact Big C just last Friday.
Strangely disconcerting how, given a different day, I could have sharpnel in my face (or be dead) at the moment.
That..... sucks.Not a good way to go, maybe, but as they say in Colombia. "asi es la vida". I hope things don't get out of control here in Thailand but all things considered, it's a great life here, not perfect, but very nice. And, of course, for some people, it's not very nice, and thus we have contention, confrontation, and violence.
Peace to us all, and I do mean ALL of us! Perhaps when we can begin to see that we are all the same and all capable of gross acts of both violence and love, we will not have to be so cruel to each other.
Bomb going off in Central Bangkok.
It could be Southern Muslim Insurgents doing it.
Whatever, its "Bangkok Dangerous" when bombs go off in places where you or I could be.Bro, it will not be Southern Muslim who doing this. They don't dare to go up to Bangkok. They will only act as HERO in 3 southern state.
Mealticket
07-27-10, 06:05
Huh. I was at that exact Big C just last Friday.Interesting, because the reds burned down that big c and it ain't open.
Huh. I was at that exact Big C just last Friday.
Strangely disconcerting how, given a different day, I could have sharpnel in my face (or be dead) at the moment.
That..... sucks.I was thinking about that bombing and for a second I was a bit concerned about m visit to BKK in about 3 weeks. Then I wondered how many people have been killed in car accidents in the past few days. I'm quite sure it's way more than 1, so now I feel much better about coming.
Bottom line you can geta GREAT Botique hotel in BKK that would cost $300 a night in NYC for $50.00 US or more and there is NO REASON to pay more than 3000 bhat LT and 2000 and even 1500 is VERY doable for great girls. You just need to talk to them for a while, get them to invest sometime in you. Half the time girls wil just tell you to pay them what you like if you pick them up at Climax or the like. ALSO -- NO TIPPING. The tip is that I make the cum a whole lot and treat them with respect and I want to see them again. If the 2nd visit doesn't live up I still spent less than I would have had I tipped and if it is great I made out. As far a food, Enjoy the local food, is amazing and can be had for a steal A bowl ow Shark Fin soup which is giant and $20 UA in BKK would cost over $200 in a fine Chinese restaurant in the USA.
KevinActually I do all that, I. E. Eat local food often, pay usually around 1500 to 3000 LT (per girl), etc. However my hotel bills are more like USD 200 per night or more, and I usually also travel within Thailand so flight costs add up quickly (figure at least USD 2000 total for flights, but sometimes more like 4000). And then there's the G-clubs and bar bills, which are fun and good for client hosting but very expensive. I guess when I think more about it, I actually probably spend kinda light on most things but then splurge on big ticket stuff. C'est la vie.
Perhaps I'll keep track this next trip and do a similar post. Though I fear mine might not be as helpful and would likely garner a lot of censure, so perhaps I'll just stick to the more mundane stuff. Too bad as I think there's much to learn and to be shared about the options at a variety of price levels. Again, c'est la vie.
Anyhoo, thanks for the tips. Appreciated.
Cheers,
B
Can someone give me directions to Patpong from Nana.
Thank you.
Can someone give me directions to Patpong from Nana.
Thank you.Around 60 Baht by Taxi or if not too late BTS (Sala Daeng Station)
I was thinking about that bombing and for a second I was a bit concerned about m visit to BKK in about 3 weeks. Then I wondered how many people have been killed in car accidents in the past few days. I'm quite sure it's way more than 1, so now I feel much better about coming.And be careful when you step out of home, on those stairs, LOL
Just wondering how anybody else has gone playing with the african girls near soi4, last trip up saw some beauties, have gone with a few before with quite good results so any stories good bad etc.
Thank you
You can get all kinds of testosterone except the gel with excellent prices at the last Pharmacy walking from Soi Nana towards the Marriott. I stocked up last trip. No prescription necessary. The problem is getting someone to inject you. THAT is difficult to do without a prescription.I emailed Bumrungrad International. Hospital about gels as I also use them. They do have it in stock at their pharmacy. You need a prescription from one of their Drs, but it is only a general Dr visit and pretty much a formality if you bring a script from home. It shouldn't cost much to get it done. Don't know about the price of the gel yet.
It also makes me think that shopping around there might be a pharmacy that stocks it as well. That would probably be cheaper and maybe no script.
Pogo
Excessive testosterone.
Prostrate Cancer
Given the links do you really want to go boosting your testosterone levels.
I emailed Bumrungrad International. Hospital about gels as I also use them. They do have it in stock at their pharmacy. You need a prescription from one of their Drs, but it is only a general Dr visit and pretty much a formality if you bring a script from home. It shouldn't cost much to get it done. Don't know about the price of the gel yet.
It also makes me think that shopping around there might be a pharmacy that stocks it as well. That would probably be cheaper and maybe no script.
Pogo
It also makes me think that shopping around there might be a pharmacy that stocks it as well. That would probably be cheaper and maybe no script.ANY place would be cheaper than Bam Rung Raat -- someone has to pay for all that plush wall-to-wall carpeting and international advertising. The larger pharmacies generally have most any drug allowed in Thailand (and often some that aren't), and will usually sell them with no questions asked.
ANY place would be cheaper than Bam Rung Raat -- someone has to pay for all that plush wall-to-wall carpeting and international advertising. The larger pharmacies generally have most any drug allowed in Thailand (and often some that aren't), and will usually sell them with no questions asked.There are a couple of phrmacies on Sukhumvit between sois 2 and 4 (nice and handy for a monger!) that have a good range of Testosterones, Im sure they would have some transdermals.
Saw some real beauties on that corner, however, none would do bbbj.
Just wondering how anybody else has gone playing with the african girls near soi4, last trip up saw some beauties, have gone with a few before with quite good results so any stories good bad etc.
Thank you
Just wondering how anybody else has gone playing with the african girls near soi4, last trip up saw some beauties, have gone with a few before with quite good results so any stories good bad etc.
Thank you
Posted this experience when in Bangkok, Sept 09:938819
Dazednconfused
07-30-10, 08:30
Prostrate Cancer Is that the cancer that knocks you flat on the floor?
The point is that it is not that expensive for most foreigners who are visiting, relative the THEIR income...
Yes, you're right if you consider only the prices (and not their relative value on the local market)... even if those foreigners should also take into account some additional costs such as their flight ticket and hotel bills, for instance.
Anyway, that was not my point. I just wanted to point out that the average income in Thailand is very low and that many foreigners often pay 25% (and sometimes even more) of the local monthly average wage just to spend a couple of hours with a P4P girl in Bangkok.
If I am not mistaken and according to the US Social Security data (http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/COLA/AWI.html), the average monthly wage in the USA was approximately US$3,300 in year 2008 (US$39,652.61 annually).
That means that if you pay less than US$825 (25% of the average monthly wage) for the same service in the USA, it's RELATIVELY cheaper than in Bangkok for the local guys.
Of course, the local guys in Thailand have other (cheaper) options and few of them would pay the silly prices that foreigners pay in Bangkok for the same kind of girls (actually, Thai nationals and long-term residents usually pay a lot less for better looking girls).
And of course, the quality of the local providers in Thailand is (on average) probably a lot better than what you can get in the USA for 25% of the local average monthly wage, but I just wanted to put things in perspective.
When in Rome, do as the Romans do... and try to pay not much more than what they pay! That's why your own income is (IMHO) not very relevant to gauge whether or not pussy is expensive (relatively) in one country.
I am not complaining (as a foreigner living most of the year in Northeastern Thailand, I'm a privileged monger), but I understand why certain members of this board say that P4P is getting (relatively) expensive nowadays in several venues of Bangkok and other touristic cities in the Land of Smiles.
Excessive testosterone.
Prostrate Cancer
Given the links do you really want to go boosting your testosterone levels.
The gels carry the least risk of prostate involvement, injectables have the most. And while it is true that excessive levels are very risky, I am just trying to restore normal levels. Higher than normal levels are what body builders are going for. I just want to be me again.
Even if taking testosterone were to shorten my life span by a decade or two it is worth it to me to feel like I do now. I was already feeling half-dead before. Now I feel alive again and not just in the bedroom. My quality and enjoyment of life has improved, I am more effective in business and have a lot more energy. If anything it may actually lengthen my life as I am now eating better, exercising and generally taking much better care of my self.
The stiffies are just a bonus. (but a good one!)
Yeah...I'll take the risk.
pogo
Yes, you're right if you consider only the prices (and not their relative value on the local market)... even if those foreigners should also take into account some additional costs such as their flight ticket and hotel bills, for instance.
Anyway, that was not my point. I just wanted to point out that the average income in Thailand is very low and that many foreigners often pay 25% (and sometimes even more) of the local monthly average wage just to spend a couple of hours with a P4P girl in Bangkok.
If I am not mistaken and according to the US Social Security data (http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/COLA/AWI.html), the average monthly wage in the USA was approximately US$3,300 in year 2008 (US$39,652.61 annually).
That means that if you pay less than US$825 (25% of the average monthly wage) for the same service in the USA, it's RELATIVELY cheaper than in Bangkok for the local guys.
Of course, the local guys in Thailand have other (cheaper) options and few of them would pay the silly prices that foreigners pay in Bangkok for the same kind of girls (actually, Thai nationals and long-term residents usually pay a lot less for better looking girls).
And of course, the quality of the local providers in Thailand is (on average) probably a lot better than what you can get in the USA for 25% of the local average monthly wage, but I just wanted to put things in perspective.
When in Rome, do as the Romans do... and try to pay not much more than what they pay! That's why your own income is (IMHO) not very relevant to gauge whether or not pussy is expensive (relatively) in one country.
I am not complaining (as a foreigner living most of the year in Northeastern Thailand, I'm a privileged monger), but I understand why certain members of this board say that P4P is getting (relatively) expensive nowadays in several venues of Bangkok and other touristic cities in the Land of Smiles.
Agreed! I only started travelling to Thailand in 2005, so I don't claim to be an expert, but I have noticed the increasing prices over the last 5 years. Whenever I have friends who are planning an inaugural trip to SEA, usually after hearing about some of my (mis)adventures, I always sit them down and explain the pricing for them, amongst some other things. Some of these guys have been with WG's in Vegas and think nothing of dropping $500 for an hour or two and I have to drill it into their heads that it is not the same in Thailand and that if they throw $$ around it will ruin it for the rest of us. I have also started to refer them to ISG as well, and yes, I do tell them to RTFF before asking stupid questions.
Mealticket
07-31-10, 03:27
Just wondering how anybody else has gone playing with the african girls near soi4, last trip up saw some beauties, have gone with a few before with quite good results so any stories good bad etc.
Thank youI was wondering what the nigerian scam looked like -?
Old German
07-31-10, 05:42
After a 16 day trip through Java and Bali I returned last Thursday back to Bangkok. As usual in the past I took overnight In Livingstones Lodge. In the evening I drove with a taxi first to Spassos in the Grand Erewan Hotel, I have never been there and wanted see the action there. I arrived around 11 p.m. It was quite full, but not crowded. Many girls have been occupied by other foreigners, only a few have been alone. I got in contact to an elegant dressed lady, age around 30, pretty looking, holding a glass of wine in her hands. After the usual talk I asked her, if she would like to spend the night with me. But she quoted 7.000 Baht. I didn’t try to bargain and dismissed me. Other interesting ladies for me I didn’t see, so I went out and took taxi to CM 2 disco in Siam Novotel. I arrived around midnight. It was not so crowded this night. I made my rounds and in the end I stopped at a tall Thailady, age 28, exactly my type, nickname Fon. We agreed for 4.000 Baht till the next morning. We went out and tried to get a taxi there. But the drivers in front of hotel are crazy, they don’t want to use taximeter and claimed 200 or more Baht. So we went the few meters more to the big street and entered a taxi there, using taximeter, paying 75 Baht.
Fon have been a nice playmate for me in the night. Long lasting DFK while undressing each other, continued in the bathroom, where we had shower together. Her BBBJ was o,k, but nothing exceptional. She was a good performer and mostly liked doggy style. So I pounded her hard from behind till I came. Then we fall in sleep. At 7 a.m. we had a nice morning session. Then she left me. Sex with Fon have been a good experiences for me, nothing special, but better as average.
Yesterday I visited Beergarden in Soi 7 around 3 p.m. In the past visits I didn’t see an interesting lady, but this time I had luck. After a round I saw a very small Thailady, surely not a stunner, but for me nice looking and congenial. Her nickname was Pic, age 30, only 38 kg, nice tits, had worked in a beauty salon, but left the job now. After a nice talk we drove with taxi to Livingstones. Here we had a stormy afternoon session. She was passionate, DFK and BBBJ absolute wonderful. She rode me first and began to moan. Then we changed in missionary, till I came. After a while we had round 2, she even wanted anal sex. I didn’t miss the chance and apparently she enjoyed it. So I had a great afternoon. I gave her 2.000 Baht. She left me after 3 hours. We agreed on meeting today in the evening again. I have added some pics in the Photo Gallery.
I visited the Rao cocktail lounge last night. It's on Phahonyothin near soi 37. There's at least one useful report about this place here. When I got there it was after midnight and packed. I was the only farang. A mamasan pounced when I walked in, found me a seat, made me comfortable, all fine. There was a noisy band with a couple of pretties singing. None of the ladies wearing trashy evening dresses were particularly interesting.
The bad part was when I finished my beer they insisted on bringing me another one, although I said I don't want it and didn't touch it, and presented me with a 580 baht bill. That's for one draft beer, I think I spent about 30 minutes there. Excellent way to kill repeat business. I guess it's futile to wonder what the hell their business plan is, or how one is supposed to make the most of it. I mean, this isn't a g-club with luxury surroundings, the girls aren't honours students with perfect demeanor, we aren't on the 55 floor of State Tower ... still, the place was full of Thais apparently having a great time. Perhaps it's more reasonable if you get a bottle and stay all night. Maybe they just don't see the point of having farang customers.
LittleBigMan
07-31-10, 09:26
Pogostick,
What is the name of the Gel you are looking for?
LBM
Mealticket
07-31-10, 11:46
We agreed for 4.000 Baht till the next morning. .. gave her 2.000 Baht.Damn; and I thought I was overpaying.
Pogostick,
What is the name of the Gel you are looking for?
LBM
I use Testim. Androgel can also work.
pogo
Ralph Kramden
07-31-10, 13:59
Enlightening report........thank you.
Big Boss Man
07-31-10, 16:34
I was wondering what the nigerian scam looked like -?
I was just in Bangkok. I have no proof but I was told the Africans are dealing drugs and running the streetwalkers between Soi 3 and 7. I don't think that they are Nigerians but rather Liberians. I ate lunch at the Burger King one day a guy walked up and wanted to do a $2 million deal with me. I offered him the the usual 2 and 20 to manage it but he quickly lost interest. He wanted to do his deal not mine.
You can only laugh. You sit down at Burger King eating a $5 lunch and some guy wants to do a $2 million deal.
I did give him some advice and say that he needs to up the ante to $5 million. $2 million doesn't go that far these days.
I was just in Bangkok. I have no proof but I was told the Africans are dealing drugs and running the streetwalkers between Soi 3 and 7. I don't think that they are Nigerians but rather Liberians. I ate lunch at the Burger King one day a guy walked up and wanted to do a $2 million deal with me. I offered him the the usual 2 and 20 to manage it but he quickly lost interest. He wanted to do his deal not mine.
You can only laugh. You sit down at Burger King eating a $5 lunch and some guy wants to do a $2 million deal.
I did give him some advice and say that he needs to up the ante to $5 million. $2 million doesn't go that far these days.
Most are Nigerian. They arrive on student visas which the Thai government are looking to block. They are in KL, HK, and Singapore as well.
Siam Dreamer
08-01-10, 03:05
Most are Nigerian. They arrive on student visas which the Thai government are looking to block. They are in KL, HK, and Singapore as well.When I go to Thailand the last thing I want to see are Africans anywhere near my line of sight (I'll go to Africa for that). Those student visas for Africans are a sham. Most of them are not even legitimate. Hopefully the Thai government will be successful in shutting them down. Especially when they are up to no good. At best, these African scumbags are bad distractions and must be avoided and ignored at all costs. Be it the African guy running a scam, or the African women on the street. Must avoid/ignore.
Hi, I have been in Bangkok last month for the first time I my life (40 years), I had a great time with gogo girls met in Soy Cowboy, one in particular, a beautiful 24 year old Isaan girl from Tilac.
She was absolutely fantastic in bed, stunning body, sweet, GFE, very funny and she even tidy up my messy room on the next day!
I spent with her the last two days before going back to Europe, now we call each other twice a week (she even called me on my mobile one day), we write e-mails daily, she is keep saying she wants me to take her away to Europe, is that normal?
Roccotopo
Strikesfun
08-01-10, 18:59
African are problems and have to agree with you on this. These guys and ladies are bad news. Nothing but problems. Thai culture is different to other places in the world but the Thai bring a smile to ones face. But the africans ladies are pure and simple shit and this is not about appearence. They will cheat and steal.
Hi, I have been in Bangkok last month for the first time I my life (40 years), I had a great time with gogo girls met in Soy Cowboy, one in particular, a beautiful 24 year old Isaan girl from Tilac.
She was absolutely fantastic in bed, stunning body, sweet, GFE, very funny and she even tidy up my messy room on the next day!
I spent with her the last two days before going back to Europe, now we call each other twice a week (she even called me on my mobile one day), we write e-mails daily, she is keep saying she wants me to take her away to Europe, is that normal?
RoccotopoExtremely normal, she probably tells the same thing to one or two guys every night of the year.
Redfield10
08-01-10, 20:22
Sounds like she's playing you like the proverbial Thai fiddle!
And, yep, it's normal. What is normal is to fall or it.
Hi, I have been in Bangkok last month for the first time I my life (40 years), I had a great time with gogo girls met in Soy Cowboy, one in particular, a beautiful 24 year old Isaan girl from Tilac.
She was absolutely fantastic in bed, stunning body, sweet, GFE, very funny and she even tidy up my messy room on the next day!
I spent with her the last two days before going back to Europe, now we call each other twice a week (she even called me on my mobile one day), we write e-mails daily, she is keep saying she wants me to take her away to Europe, is that normal?
Roccotopo
Distantpeak
08-01-10, 21:02
Hi, I have been in Bangkok last month for the first time I my life (40 years), I had a great time with gogo girls met in Soy Cowboy, one in particular, a beautiful 24 year old Isaan girl from Tilac.
She was absolutely fantastic in bed, stunning body, sweet, GFE, very funny and she even tidy up my messy room on the next day!
I spent with her the last two days before going back to Europe, now we call each other twice a week (she even called me on my mobile one day), we write e-mails daily, she is keep saying she wants me to take her away to Europe, is that normal?
RoccotopoYes. Very normal. She is either keeping you warm for your next visit, or keeping you warm so she can ask you to send her money. Or has a long term ambition for marriage and a better life in Europe. Take your choice. And read Private Dancer.
she is keep saying she wants me to take her away to Europe, is that normal?
No, it is not normal, you must have a special relationship happening..... Maybe you should take it to the next level, start sending heaps of money....
Ozirob
Hi, I have been in Bangkok last month for the first time I my life (40 years), I had a great time with gogo girls met in Soy Cowboy, one in particular, a beautiful 24 year old Isaan girl from Tilac.
She was absolutely fantastic in bed, stunning body, sweet, GFE, very funny and she even tidy up my messy room on the next day!
I spent with her the last two days before going back to Europe, now we call each other twice a week (she even called me on my mobile one day), we write e-mails daily, she is keep saying she wants me to take her away to Europe, is that normal?
Roccotopo
I honestly don't know if this is a troll or not, but I'll take the post at face value and try to give an honest answer.
Well, it's not abnormal and it happens quite a lot that a bargirl (bg) will keep in contact with you once you leave Thailand. There is generally only one reason why she wants to stay in contact with you, you've got money and she wants it!
The scenario can play out in many ways, here are some to mull over:
1) She wants to stay on your radar in case you come back to Thailand, hoping that you will use her "services" again and often. Why is that you may ask? It's because she wants your money. To be honest, I have some regulars who email me, I have a mongering email address, once in awhile to say hi and to stay on my radar, they haven't asked for $$, as yet. I think they know better. I actually find their emails quite amusing and harmless.
2) Now this scenario is a little more serious. Eventually, you may get requests for money due to some emergency, her baby/parents are sick and she needs cash to get them medicine or medical care. It could be anything really, work is slow and she needs help with her rent, blah, blah, blah. She will most likely add that if you care about her you will send her the money. Don't believe a word of it, she is lying. Why would she lie, you ask? It's because she wants your money!
3) She may soon tell you that she loves you and that she doesn't want to go with any other man, Thai or Farang, and that she wants to leave the bar and go home to her village and that she will wait for you. Then she will say, "Teerak, if I leave the bar, I will not have enough money to live and take care of me, my baby and my family so you will have to send me money (insert amount here) every month. She may not be so eloquent, but you get my drift. Believe me, if you start sending her money here is what will really happen, she will not go back to her village, she will stay in BKK and keep on working at the gogo's. She will probably leave Tilac and move to another gogo, just in case you send friends to Tilac to check if she is there. Most of the money will go to her Thai boyfriend. Remember she is lying, because she wants your money!
4) Now here is the big one, the holy grail of bg's. She is hoping that you have believed her lies and are now convinced that she loves you. You have fallen for scenarios #2 & #3. You believe that you are both in love, maybe you've even made some trips back to Thailand to visit her. She's taken you to her village and you've met her family, etc, etc. Everything is great! What is the holy grail of bg's you ask? It is that you will marry her, so then she can really get down to business and milk you like a buffalo for every penny that you have. There are many ways she can do this, some of these are: 1) She will convince you to buy land in Thailand and then to build a beautiful house on that land, in her name of course, because remember you are not Thai and you cannot own land in Thailand; 2) Request a ridiculous amount of sin sot (dowry) to be paid to her family before you can get married, I suggest you look up sin sot by the way; 3) Move back to your homeland with you and after she gets her residency or citizenship there, she may accuse you of abuse and soak you in the divorce. These are but a few of the ways she may get your money, I encourage other members here to post some others for our friends edification. Remember, she is lying, because she wants your money!
Ok, I admit that I have been a little harsh here and that in fact some marriages to bargirls do work out. Stickman, wrote a column about bg marriages today, as a matter of fact. I am being harsh here because our friend seems so clueless and needs a wake up call! I suggest that he read Private Dancer and then do some research here and on some other sites as well. Rocco, best of luck to you and remember she is lying because she wants your money!!!!
Anyway, who cares, he's probably a troll! ;)
Hi, I have been in Bangkok last month for the first time I my life (40 years), I had a great time with gogo girls met in Soy Cowboy, one in particular, a beautiful 24 year old Isaan girl from Tilac.
She was absolutely fantastic in bed, stunning body, sweet, GFE, very funny and she even tidy up my messy room on the next day!
I spent with her the last two days before going back to Europe, now we call each other twice a week (she even called me on my mobile one day), we write e-mails daily, she is keep saying she wants me to take her away to Europe, is that normal?
Roccotopo
All newcomers to Thailand feel the same way as you do. Please read many reports in the general info section to get to know Thai culture, economy, sex industry etc. There is a wealth of information in the internet of people posting their experiences with thai girls, marriage, money etc.
You go to a go go bar,have a drink or two and suddenly all girls look very beautifull. This thai girl who is 16 years younger than you shows interest in you which will not likely happen in your country. You feel young, energetic and re living your youth. Oh yes, sex is fantastic. Good sex bonds people as you already know. So instead of enjoying girls in thailand and leaving them you keep in touch giving them the impression that you like them. This acts as a sort of lifeline to them.
Most girls working in sex industry know that their earning potential is limited to few years at the most because more and more younger girls will be coming there. Her employer would naturally prefer younger girls and throw old ones out. This perticular girl being 24 years will have maybe 4 more productive years. So she knows very well she needs to settle down with preferably a foreigner with money. So she will latch on to to the one who shows interest and keeps in touch. Most mongers will keep their number to use only when they are back to use in case.
I do not know if you are single or married or planning to marry a Thai girl.
Marrying a bargirl is not a good option and so is taking her to your country.
However do all research . Since now you have tasted the mongering thing you will not be happy with just one girl.
Hi, I have been in Bangkok last month for the first time I my life (40 years), I had a great time with gogo girls met in Soy Cowboy, one in particular, a beautiful 24 year old Isaan girl from Tilac.
She was absolutely fantastic in bed, stunning body, sweet, GFE, very funny and she even tidy up my messy room on the next day!
I spent with her the last two days before going back to Europe, now we call each other twice a week (she even called me on my mobile one day), we write e-mails daily, she is keep saying she wants me to take her away to Europe, is that normal?
RoccotopoNo, it is not normal. What is normal is: you start sending her funds via Western Union on a weekly basis. then, you return at the first opportunity and buy a house for her (and whatever family member who happens to need one), then you get her pregnant (or someone else does), then you marry and enjoy the wild ride upon which you have embarked!
Cunning Stunt
08-01-10, 23:47
She was absolutely fantastic in bed, stunning body, sweet, GFE, very funny and she even tidy up my messy room on the next day!
What, you didn't get her to do your washing/ironing as well? Foolish.
A favorite ploy is for them to insist on seeing you off at the airport. She will tell you it is because she loves and will miss you but in fact she is hoping to bleed you of your last Baht (and maybe some dollars too) before you fly away with that lovestruck grin on your face. Did this happen?
Or maybe she steered you into a gold shop?
Of course she might be genuine and we are just a cynical load of b's. It does happen same as I saw a pig on the take off strip other day.
She might be a pretty woman but I assume that you are not Richard Gere. So how much did she take you for over your few days of bliss?
Don't worry, it has happened to us all. That is part of the spell that keeps us coming back trying to recreate the innocent magic of that long ago cherry trip.
Beagleface
08-01-10, 23:55
Experts,
I'm scheduled for Thailand for 3 weeks, was thinking mostly BKK and Pattaya. But recent posts have been saying a lot of the 'talent' is gone. Also, I'm approaching 50 and not exactly thin any more-last trip I definitely got a good number of rejects, esp for LT and esp w/the top of the crop. Quite a few girls (in both Thailand and Germany) think I'm Arab/Iranian and apparently don't like folks from that part of the world.
Also, Pattaya even in good times is at least 50% older ladies, mothers, not exactly the male fantasy.
Seriously considering cancelling the trip.
I do see people mention other regions, but don't know any of them (except a little about Phuket, never been there tho). Are there other regions worth going to? Rent a car? 1 week BKK, 1 week Pattaya, where else 1 other week?
Got no idea what to do so any input helpful.
I honestly don't know if this is a troll or not, but I'll take the post at face value and try to give an honest answer.
Well, it's not abnormal and it happens quite a lot that a bargirl (bg) will keep in contact with you once you leave Thailand. There is generally only one reason why she wants to stay in contact with you, you've got money and she wants it!
The scenario can play out in many ways, here are some to mull over:
1) She wants to stay on your radar in case you come back to Thailand, hoping that you will use her "services" again and often. Why is that you may ask? It's because she wants your money. To be honest, I have some regulars who email me, I have a mongering email address, once in awhile to say hi and to stay on my radar, they haven't asked for $$, as yet. I think they know better. I actually find their emails quite amusing and harmless.
2) Now this scenario is a little more serious. Eventually, you may get requests for money due to some emergency, her baby/parents are sick and she needs cash to get them medicine or medical care. It could be anything really, work is slow and she needs help with her rent, blah, blah, blah. She will most likely add that if you care about her you will send her the money. Don't believe a word of it, she is lying. Why would she lie, you ask? It's because she wants your money!
3) She may soon tell you that she loves you and that she doesn't want to go with any other man, Thai or Farang, and that she wants to leave the bar and go home to her village and that she will wait for you. Then she will say, "Teerak, if I leave the bar, I will not have enough money to live and take care of me, my baby and my family so you will have to send me money (insert amount here) every month. She may not be so eloquent, but you get my drift. Believe me, if you start sending her money here is what will really happen, she will not go back to her village, she will stay in BKK and keep on working at the gogo's. She will probably leave Tilac and move to another gogo, just in case you send friends to Tilac to check if she is there. Most of the money will go to her Thai boyfriend. Remember she is lying, because she wants your money!
4) Now here is the big one, the holy grail of bg's. She is hoping that you have believed her lies and are now convinced that she loves you. You have fallen for scenarios #2 & #3. You believe that you are both in love, maybe you've even made some trips back to Thailand to visit her. She's taken you to her village and you've met her family, etc, etc. Everything is great! What is the holy grail of bg's you ask? It is that you will marry her, so then she can really get down to business and milk you like a buffalo for every penny that you have. There are many ways she can do this, some of these are: 1) She will convince you to buy land in Thailand and then to build a beautiful house on that land, in her name of course, because remember you are not Thai and you cannot own land in Thailand; 2) Request a ridiculous amount of sin sot (dowry) to be paid to her family before you can get married, I suggest you look up sin sot by the way; 3) Move back to your homeland with you and after she gets her residency or citizenship there, she may accuse you of abuse and soak you in the divorce. These are but a few of the ways she may get your money, I encourage other members here to post some others for our friends edification. Remember, she is lying, because she wants your money!
Ok, I admit that I have been a little harsh here and that in fact some marriages to bargirls do work out. Stickman, wrote a column about bg marriages today, as a matter of fact. I am being harsh here because our friend seems so clueless and needs a wake up call! I suggest that he read Private Dancer and then do some research here and on some other sites as well. Rocco, best of luck to you and remember she is lying because she wants your money!!!!
Anyway, who cares, he's probably a troll! ;)
Damn Booey,
You are quite the cynic.
Of course you are also 100% correct; ALL women are looking for the money.
Roccotoppo can read his same story repeatedly in many forums.
Hopefully he will learn from the feedback on his post.
Guido88
Damn Booey,
You are quite the cynic.
Of course you are also 100% correct; ALL women are looking for the money.
Roccotoppo can read his same story repeatedly in many forums.
Hopefully he will learn from the feedback on his post.
Guido88
I admit that I did come off a little cynical, but I wanted to make a point and I think a harsh reminder is needed for nearly everyone once in awhile. I have also recently finished reading Private Dancer, which Stickman assures me is the most accurate portrayal of the bargirl scene out there. If you haven't read it, I suggest that you do, it is quite the eye-opener.
I also have to admit that when it comes down to it, I can actually be a bit of a softie. I treat the girls with respect and I am kind to them, hell, I've even spent 50 baht on getting a girl something to eat or drink on the way to the hotel! I do my research before going to SEA and I pay them what I deem to be the fair rate at the time, I do not overpay, at least in my mind, and I have never had any complaints from the girls. If I think they want too much (too mut), I generally walk. I don't want to take a pissed off bg back to my loom, if she thinks I am a Cheap Charlie, I'm guessing the service is going to be pretty bad.
As I mentioned in my previous post, I do have some regular go to girls,who all know that I am a bit of a butterfly (because I told them that I am), and I do treat them better than other girls. I pay them the same rate as other girls, but if I am in the mood, I will take them to a Disco, dinner or to see some live music, etc. But, they all know it is up to me, not them. I even took the time to teach one my regs to swim. Although this turned out to be much more to my benefit than hers, as after a couple of "lessons" she asked if she could bring some friends next time. Woohoo!
Here's the thing though, I genuinely like my regulars, they are fun and they give good service, and I honestly believe that, in fact, they actually like me. BUT, I never lose sight of the fact that in the end it boils down to money. They know I am a butterfly and they also know that if they complain about it, then we are done and I know that if they hit the mother lode with another customer then we are, in some cases, also done. If they have a sponsor or boyfriend then I wish them well and leave it to them to contact me.
Beagleface
08-02-10, 17:45
I also have to admit that when it comes down to it, I can actually be a bit of a softie. I treat the girls with respect and I am kind to them, hell, I've even spent 50 baht on getting a girl something to eat or drink on the way to the hotel! .Same here. These girls, many of them, live unhappy lives. I do my best to be half decent to them. Maybe that makes me a sucker but I don't let any of them take advantage of me. But some posters here and elsewhere seem to want to get the most out of the girls, pay as little as possible, just generally have no humanity or sense of decency, as if you can cheat these poor girls out of 50 baht, you somehow 'win'.
Because the girls are often treated badly, they get a bad attitude, which they then take out on you. Vicious circle. Ruins it for everyone.
Then again, if you're too nice, they'll take advantage and try to get one over on you. Balancing act.
'You Never Turned Around to See the Frowns on the Jugglers and the Clowns When They All Come Down and Did Tricks for You'
Experts,
I'm scheduled for Thailand for 3 weeks, was thinking mostly BKK and Pattaya. But recent posts have been saying a lot of the 'talent' is gone. Also, I'm approaching 50 and not exactly thin any more-last trip I definitely got a good number of rejects, esp for LT and esp w/the top of the crop. Quite a few girls (in both Thailand and Germany) think I'm Arab/Iranian and apparently don't like folks from that part of the world.
Also, Pattaya even in good times is at least 50% older ladies, mothers, not exactly the male fantasy.
Seriously considering cancelling the trip.
I do see people mention other regions, but don't know any of them (except a little about Phuket, never been there tho). Are there other regions worth going to? Rent a car? 1 week BKK, 1 week Pattaya, where else 1 other week?
Got no idea what to do so any input helpful.
I am not sure that you will enjoy the P4P scene more elsewhere in Thailand than in Bangkok or Pattaya... Even if I also believe that the situation is not as good in those two cities than in the past, they still are (IMHO) the best places for our favorite hobby in Thailand (at least for the mongers who don't speak some Thai) and great talents may be found here, even if they are (proportionally) less numerous than a few years ago. The prices are higher nowadays (especially in Bangkok), and more and more unattractive (IMHO) women are trying their luck on the P4P market (especially in Pattaya), so, the real cute ones are becoming a small minority.
But the local market in Phuket, Koh Samui or Chiang Mai (for instance) is not better. Prices are (on average) higher than in Pattaya (but a bit lower than in Bangkok usually), you won't have the same variety of choice and your options will be less numerous (smaller P4P markets).
I would not recommend the Isan region if you don't speak at least some basic Thai (or a bit of the local dialect which is very similar to the Lao language) and even if you do, you might be disappointed there, as the local scene can not compare to the P4P market in touristic places. I have great fun here, mostly in the local brothels and with certain freelancers (even if I am far than being fluent in Thai), but I really dislike the local Farang-orientated venues (not numerous anyway in these areas) and I am the first to admit that the local talent is not very easy to spot in Northeastern Thailand (especially when you favor the quality of service over the beauty of the provider).
You need some time and patience in Isan (you'll have to make many tries and errors before finding a real gem). At least, P4P is (on average, once again!) much cheaper in Northeastern Thailand than in Bangkok and Pattaya. Girls are (IMHO) more beautiful, they are younger too, but most of the time, not much experienced, they don't speak more than a few words in English (if any) and many (at least at first) will refuse to perform certain things that are (almost) the norm (for instance, a BBBJ) in Farang-oriented destinations.
About the LT "rejections" that you encounter with the most beautiful girls, you should not take it personally as it is clearly a general tendency nowadays. Often, the standard price for a LT session is about twice the ST going rate. The cutest ones would (usually) rather do several ST sessions (more than two) than only one LT: they earn more money this way. Moreover, the most beautiful girls usually have a Thai boyfriend who want them at home for the night (even late).
If I were you, I would stick to Pattaya and Bangkok (for instance, two weeks in Pattaya, one in Bangkok) as it is yet your best bet as a foreigner to get laid and be (usually very well) taken care of easily with almost no hassles if you don't speak the local dialects.
Because the girls are often treated badly, they get a bad attitude, which they then take out on you. Vicious circle. Ruins it for everyone.
Then again, if you're too nice, they'll take advantage and try to get one over on you. Balancing act.
Well said!
It really is a balancing act that takes a long time to perfect. Only after you're able to get the hang of the balancing do your rides become sweeter!
Strikesfun
08-02-10, 20:53
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Beagleface: Have you look into going to Dubai. Ladies from all over the world go to provide services. There will be Thai, Phil, China, Pols, Romanian, just about every place you can think of and from the information on the board all are there for st or lt.
QUOTE=Beagleface]Experts,
I'm scheduled for Thailand for 3 weeks, was thinking mostly BKK and Pattaya. But recent posts have been saying a lot of the 'talent' is gone. Also, I'm approaching 50 and not exactly thin any more-last trip I definitely got a good number of rejects, esp for LT and esp w/the top of the crop. Quite a few girls (in both Thailand and Germany) think I'm Arab/Iranian and apparently don't like folks from that part of the world.
Also, Pattaya even in good times is at least 50% older ladies, mothers, not exactly the male fantasy.
Seriously considering cancelling the trip.
I do see people mention other regions, but don't know any of them (except a little about Phuket, never been there tho). Are there other regions worth going to? Rent a car? 1 week BKK, 1 week Pattaya, where else 1 other week?
Got no idea what to do so any input helpful.[/QUOTE]
Beagleface: Have you look into going to Dubai. Ladies from all over the world go to provide services. There will be Thai, Phil, China, Pols, Romanian, just about every place you can think of and from the information on the board all are there for st or lt...
... at Dubai rates! That's at least twice the price (and often a lot more than that!) than one would pay for the same quality in the most expensive venues or locations in the country of origin of these hookers. Ok, you have variety there, but it's costly.
I admit that I did come off a little cynical, but I wanted to make a point and I think a harsh reminder is needed for nearly everyone once in awhile. I have also recently finished reading Private Dancer, which Stickman assures me is the most accurate portrayal of the bargirl scene out there. If you haven't read it, I suggest that you do, it is quite the eye-opener.
I also have to admit that when it comes down to it, I can actually be a bit of a softie. I treat the girls with respect and I am kind to them, hell, I've even spent 50 baht on getting a girl something to eat or drink on the way to the hotel! I do my research before going to SEA and I pay them what I deem to be the fair rate at the time, I do not overpay, at least in my mind, and I have never had any complaints from the girls. If I think they want too much (too mut), I generally walk. I don't want to take a pissed off bg back to my loom, if she thinks I am a Cheap Charlie, I'm guessing the service is going to be pretty bad.
As I mentioned in my previous post, I do have some regular go to girls,who all know that I am a bit of a butterfly (because I told them that I am), and I do treat them better than other girls. I pay them the same rate as other girls, but if I am in the mood, I will take them to a Disco, dinner or to see some live music, etc. But, they all know it is up to me, not them. I even took the time to teach one my regs to swim. Although this turned out to be much more to my benefit than hers, as after a couple of "lessons" she asked if she could bring some friends next time. Woohoo!
Here's the thing though, I genuinely like my regulars, they are fun and they give good service, and I honestly believe that, in fact, they actually like me. BUT, I never lose sight of the fact that in the end it boils down to money. They know I am a butterfly and they also know that if they complain about it, then we are done and I know that if they hit the mother lode with another customer then we are, in some cases, also done. If they have a sponsor or boyfriend then I wish them well and leave it to them to contact me.
Booey
I was kidding with the cynic remark. Cynicism is often the result of extensive experience.
Your post was directly on target. Although we all sometimes click with providers attempting to take the relationship anywhere beyond client/hooker or towards home is both futile and expensive.
I find that by treating the girls in a nice manner with humor makes for good current and future sessions. But that is the extent of it.
Hate to see any monger (Rocco) mistake a good time for true love.
Guido88
So I have been to all the clubs on Soi Cowboy, taken out twice from Baccara (both times a nice experience though one of the girls was crazy and bit me strong enough to mark my skin for a week), the other time I bet on the results of a soccer game with the girl, won and she invited me for lunch the next day (she paid!), been hit in the forehead by a ping pong ball and that particular night I am still looking for my dream girl of the night after the bars close.
Head to Nana Liquid and the music is loud. I don't particularly like the place but it is open like until 5 or 6AM and a pick up place so why not. Notice 2 tall girls, one at each end of the bar. The one who stands near the pool tables toasts me, then introduces me to her sister and she hugs the manager, some French guy. OK we dance... She is very skinny, wearing a black dress, smells good, grinds, it all looks fine, she wants 2000 Baht, looks excited that she is going to get them, we head for the hotel.
In the room she won't undress or take her shoes off, I figure something is wrong but no there is no way she is a LB, I check her out, cannot tell but really don't think so. Then she asks me what I am thinking about, I go for a manual check of the situation, she does not allow, yes she is a LB, what the f*** I cannot believe it.
M: Why not tell me in the club?
LB: I thought you knew. Do you want me to go?
M: Yes please.
LB: OK bye. Are you going back to the club?
M: Never again. Bye.
I reckon it might have been the drinks but frankly almost a perfect copy! And I am so glad he did not undress and did not make any trouble to leave, did not even ask for money for the taxi.
By the way I thought this could not happen in the clubs but I remember that one night in Baccara with my GF of the night, she pointed out at a young stud kissing a beauty in a blue dress in the bar upstairs. My GF told me, she does not work here she is a lady boy, the waitress confirmed.
Perhaps I need to stick to MPs after all...
I was barhopping and stopped there because some Coyote girl brought me in. Normally you can't take them out and they are easily recognized by their uniform.
I would have left the bar after one drink but my attention was caught by several girls I could have done. Unfotunately the one I picked, Joyce, was an expert in the art of camouflaging hanging boobs flattened, or should I say destroyed by a resent pregnancy into perky breasts. I did not find out until it was too late, oh well, that is what doggy is for.
But I will go check the place again, see if the other girls in this bar also have something to hide...
I was barhopping and stopped there because some Coyote girl brought me in. Normally you can't take them out and they are easily recognized by their uniform.
Noramally? You should say, "You can't take them out, PERIOD"! If anyone has been able to barfine a coyote on cowboy, please share.
I will say it again, the whole concept is lame. All the cute ones are non-barfinable and all the ugly ones you can barfine. I don't get it, but I noticed this trend came about the same time as the Japanese invasion took place on soi cowboy. Is there a correlation?
Head to Nana Liquid and the music is loud. I don't particularly like the place but it is open like until 5 or 6AM and a pick up place so why not. Notice 2 tall girls, one at each end of the bar. The one who stands near the pool tables toasts me, then introduces me to her sister and she hugs the manager, some French guy. OK we dance... She is very skinny, wearing a black dress, smells good, grinds, it all looks fine, she wants 2000 Baht, looks excited that she is going to get them, we head for the hotel.
In the room she won't undress or take her shoes off, I figure something is wrong but no there is no way she is a LB, I check her out, cannot tell but really don't think so. Then she asks me what I am thinking about, I go for a manual check of the situation, she does not allow, yes she is a LB, what the f*** I cannot believe it.
M: Why not tell me in the club?
LB: I thought you knew. Do you want me to go?
M: Yes please.
LB: OK bye. Are you going back to the club?
M: Never again. Bye.
I reckon it might have been the drinks but frankly almost a perfect copy! And I am so glad he did not undress and did not make any trouble to leave, did not even ask for money for the taxi.
By the way I thought this could not happen in the clubs but I remember that one night in Baccara with my GF of the night, she pointed out at a young stud kissing a beauty in a blue dress in the bar upstairs. My GF told me, she does not work here she is a lady boy, the waitress confirmed.
Perhaps I need to stick to MPs after all...
This topic has been discussed countless times but the situation should have manifested itself to you upon hearing his voice. Read the Identify TVs Thread for some good tips, you can also check their gender on their ID cards or ask the hotel receptionist or security guard for help identifying the gender on their ID cards, although in your situation you didn’t lose much.
Experts,
I'm scheduled for Thailand for 3 weeks, was thinking mostly BKK and Pattaya. But recent posts have been saying a lot of the 'talent' is gone. Also, I'm approaching 50 and not exactly thin any more-last trip I definitely got a good number of rejects, esp for LT and esp w/the top of the crop. Quite a few girls (in both Thailand and Germany) think I'm Arab/Iranian and apparently don't like folks from that part of the world.
Also, Pattaya even in good times is at least 50% older ladies, mothers, not exactly the male fantasy.
Seriously considering cancelling the trip.
I do see people mention other regions, but don't know any of them (except a little about Phuket, never been there tho). Are there other regions worth going to? Rent a car? 1 week BKK, 1 week Pattaya, where else 1 other week?
Got no idea what to do so any input helpful.No idea? Really?
Do not cancel your trip. Bangkok has thousands of super hot babies just waiting for you. Yes, they are waiting just for YOU.
P4P or otherwise, you don't have to be some skinny little 30-40 year old Japanese business guy to score chicks in Bangkok, not hardly.
OK : "If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten. "
Let's get up for this now: You think you are too old & chunky to get the goods? FUCK THAT! Simply present yourself as if you have what is THEY want. Dress the part. Sharpen up. Wear some nice new dark gray slacks, a long sleeve square bottom black shirt, and a pair of highly polished semi long black shoes. Make it so that you cut a nice profile from the side (because this is the direction they will be checking you out from as you walk in.) This outfit may or may not be the real you, it might not be your style at all, but let's just call this your "Pussy Magnet Uniform".
Next, do your hair. Make it so it stays neat. That's easy. It doesn't matter if you think you look like a nerd, it makes a difference.
Now, make yourself smell good. Not some toilet water or fucked up men's perfume, (and not any of the "Axe" shit either.) Just good aftershave and some matching light scent deodorant.
Wow, does it sound like you are going on a date? Umm, yeah. But fuck it, it's sooo easy, and believe me, this deal works. I saw a very dark skinned man last week in Tilac, looked Libyan or Egyptian, heavy set. And yeah, you know, he had three of the hottest chicks in the place sitting with him. As far as I was concerned, he could have been Joe Shmoe shoe salesman from Madison Wisconsin, but not this night, the guy knew how to play the chicks, he was dressed the part, and it was working.
Last weekend I noticed an Indian looking guy in AngelWitch, looked Punjabi, big white beard the works, he was massively overweight, but he DEFINITELY had the hottest chick in there, and fuck me, she was all over the guy, sitting on his lap, and about ready to do the dude right there.
it does not matter if you are handsome or not, it does not matter how old you are, it does not even matter if you are 100 lbs overweight. Just make yourself look like you are a smartly dressed fun sport, ready for anything, with nice eyes, cool money, and an easy smile.
Again, without shouting. Make yourself into what they THINK they are looking for, then keep your head down and your mouth shut (like you have a secret, and in fact you do: you are going to fuck her brains out.) Then, just look into her eyes nice and studly like, think of the "Sly & the Family Stone" tune "I want to take you Higher", buy her a few drinks, smile a lot, then have the mamasan scratch her off of the book for the night. (Boom-shaka-lakka lakka-boom! Done deal.).
OK, next: A lot of times the girls will SAY short-time, and go with you to your hotel but will then stay long time after they've had a chance to check you out. Fuck it, Long-Time is just a stretched out Short-Time with more pops. Make it fun, she ain't going to leave, no way.
Please do not listen to the doomsayers ranting about lack of talent in Bangkok, this is purely subjective, therefore total & absolute bullshit. There are loads of amazingly hot chicks arriving daily, even as I type. Score one for yourself, or score fifty, it's up to you.
Now keep remembering this: The girls are there to make some fast easy money. You HAVE the money, now simply make it easy for them. [color=red]Make it so they don't have to THINK about it.
Bangkok is STILL the best place for it.
There it is.
If you had enough of Nana and Cowboy (not to mention Patpong) and wish to get real quality for your hard earned cash, then come with me, I'll show you around in Bangkok, the unseen.
There are many places frequented by Thais that offer a lot better quality for the money than those above mentioned.
These incude GoGo and Karaoke bars, and even streets where the girls are of much better quality. (and of course much younger - although strictly over 18- than the leftover on Sukhumvit)
I will guide European and Asian tourists.
...Dress the part. Sharpen up. Wear some nice new dark gray slacks, a long sleeve square bottom black shirt, and a pair of highly polished semi long black shoes. Make it so that you cut a nice profile from the side (because this is the direction they will be checking you out from as you walk in.) This outfit may or may not be the real you, it might not be your style at all, but let's just call this your "Pussy Magnet Uniform"...Next, do your hair. Make it so it stays neat. That's easy. It doesn't matter if you think you look like a nerd, it makes a difference...Now, make yourself smell good. Not some toilet water or fucked up men's perfume, (and not any of the "Axe" shit either.) Just good aftershave and some matching light scent deodorant.Barko, you da man! Great advice.
This is the key to happily opening a lot of legs in Bangkok. From what I see wandering in and out of the clubs some nights, it is surprising how few guys know this.
M P Lurker
08-03-10, 23:01
Now, make yourself smell good. Not some toilet water or fucked up men's perfume, (and not any of the "Axe" shit either.) Just good aftershave and some matching light scent deodorant.
Barko,
Nort sure what you mean by "fucked up" men's perfume. I wear perfume now sometimes, not because I like it or need it, but purely to please the Thai girl. Its her taste, e.g. Hugo Boss.
So obviously its got to smell right, not a sickly smell that makes you gag. But plenty of Thai girls like men's perfume (quality rather than el cheapo).
I thought Axe was shower gel (perfectly O.K. I'm sure), however I wouldn't try their aftershave/perfume, assuming its an el cheapo, even if TV ads suggest its a chick magnet ;)
I used to have a lot of grey clothes and conservative tones perfectly suitable to my age. But now the Thai girl says "out with the boring old-guy stuff, and look young with plenty of colour" O.K. there are limits. At my age, hip-hop stuff would be going too far. But definitely clothes that are not completely tame, unless you are looking for a tame girl. Have a look at the best dressed guys that are 60%-70% of your age, is my recommendation!
I used to think that I could be very plain and my character would win out, but Barko is right that we need need to stand out in the bar crowd as "a prince among the frogs", which usually isn't real difficult, even if we are overweight princes. Some Thai girls even prefer cuddly guys. However being in shape is better.
I very reliable deodorant is very important (after a thorough shower of course). Mouth hygene is important too. Thais don't like body odours and are not as used to it as westerners.
Always remember that the best Thai bargirls available don't have to take just any guy. They can get some degree of choice when multiple guys will like the same girl.
So just try to make youself one of the best choices available, one way or another!
If you had enough of Nana and Cowboy (not to mention Patpong) and wish to get real quality for your hard earned cash, then come with me, I'll show you around in Bangkok, the unseen.
There are many places frequented by Thais that offer a lot better quality for the money than those above mentioned.
These incude GoGo and Karaoke bars, and even streets where the girls are of much better quality. (and of course much younger - although strictly over 18- than the leftover on Sukhumvit)
I will guide European and Asian tourists.
Why don't you write a report about those "places frequented by Thais" just here, in the ISG forums then? That's the purpose of this kind of website: exchanging information between members. But I suppose that you don't want to help the other ISG members for free, but for a fee, isn't it? Could you be more specific about the conditions, preferably by answering publicly in this thread with full details?
By the way, are you a Thai national, because if I am not mistaken, "tour guide or conducting sightseeing tours" are occupations that are prohibited to foreigners in the Land of Smiles?
Dress the part. Sharpen up. Wear some nice new dark gray slacks, a long sleeve square bottom black shirt, and a pair of highly polished semi long black shoes. Make it so that you cut a nice profile from the side (because this is the direction they will be checking you out from as you walk in.) This outfit may or may not be the real you, it might not be your style at all, but let's just call this your "Pussy Magnet Uniform".
Next, do your hair. Make it so it stays neat. That's easy. It doesn't matter if you think you look like a nerd, it makes a difference.
Now, make yourself smell good. Not some toilet water or fucked up men's perfume, (and not any of the "Axe" shit either.) Just good aftershave and some matching light scent deodorant.Here Here!
it does not matter if you are handsome or not, it does not matter how old you are, it does not even matter if you are 100 lbs overweight. Just make yourself look like you are a smartly dressed fun sport, ready for anything, with nice eyes, cool money, and an easy smile. Go Barko, Go Barko! I totally agree.
Again, without shouting. Make yourself into what they THINK they are looking for, then keep your head down and your mouth shut (like you have a secret, and in fact you do: you are going to fuck her brains out.) Then, just look into her eyes nice and studly like, think of the "Sly & the Family Stone" tune "I want to take you Higher", buy her a few drinks, smile a lot, then have the mamasan scratch her off of the book for the night. (Boom-shaka-lakka lakka-boom! Done deal.). Bravo old chap, BRA-VO.
OK, next: A lot of times the girls will SAY short-time, and go with you to your hotel but will then stay long time after they've had a chance to check you out. Fuck it, Long-Time is just a stretched out Short-Time with more pops. Make it fun, she ain't going to leave, no way.Damn Barko, you sound like fun, you wanna BF me??
Please do not listen to the doomsayers ranting about lack of talent in Bangkok, this is purely subjective, therefore total & absolute bullshit. There are loads of amazingly hot chicks arriving daily, even as I type. Score one for yourself, or score fifty, it's up to you. And here is the coup de grâce. An honest man has spoken, and I urge all those whose eyes pass these pages to pay heed.
I read over and over again about how LOS is not the LOS of old. The girls are greedy, give out poor service, they run outta there in under an hour, blah blah blah. All of this is complete, useless bullshit to current mongers (or more precisely, newbies to LOS). It does not matter what it was like 30 years ago, or 10 years ago, or last year. I understand that it is natural for us to interpret our own experiences in that way (relative to what we experienced over the years), and for some, such reports are useful. And so for those of you who report things in this way (relative to 30 years of experience), I have no problem with it. But as you, Bravo, so rightly point out, such posts can be misinterpreted to mean that LOS is not worth visiting any more.
Nothing could be further from the truth - Thai girls rock.
Barko is spot on, dress, hygiene, etc, are crucial. I cannot begin to describe the difference in how I am treated in a gogo, when I am wearing shorts and a T-shirt to when I am am wearing even freshly ironed cargo pants and a collared shirt. There is a huge difference! The girls love my faux Tommy Bahama shirts by the way. Actually, this applies to not only the red light districts of BKK, it is my feeling that throughout Thailand you will get better treatment initially if you are reasonably well dressed.
The only thing I would add is that if you don't have a beard, then make sure you are clean shaven before you head out. Again, this is only my experience, but the Thai women I have been with hate a 1 or 2 day growth on the chops. I even had one of my regulars remind me to shave before we left for a night out on the town. I was pretty much ready to go and she gave me a big smile, and a little tilt of the head and said, Oooh, Khun "Booey", you forget shave today?" I got the message and she was all smiles and a good night was had by all.
Edit: I would also like to add that it is a matter of face for the girls. They are always watching and competing with each other. Is it, "Did you see the stinky, badly dressed Farang that Nit went with tonight, because she cannot get anything better to barfine her." or is it "Oi, I wish that man had barfined me tonight instead of Nit!"
...but almost every woman on earth likes the smell of plain old Aqua Velva.
It's cheap and common, but I have yet to find a TG who didn't like it.
Barko is spot on, dress, hygiene, etc, are crucial. I cannot begin to describe the difference in how I am treated in a gogo, when I am wearing shorts and a T-shirt to when I am am wearing even freshly ironed cargo pants and a collared shirt.
I've worn nothing but shorts and t-shirts(quality shorts and shirt) in Bkk gogos and can always pull the best pussy in the place. The most important thing in scoring is being able to spend money. If you can't do this then you get no pussy. Doesn't matter how well you are dressed. The more you spend the better you are treated. Being clean and dressing nicely are important, but its more like icing on the cake. BKK is all about MONEY. If you're not prepared to spend money, don't even bother going to a gogo.
There are many places frequented by Thais that offer a lot better quality for the money than those above mentioned.
I'm sceptical. At the fairy-lights karaokes I was quoted 2000 to take a girl out. At the Saphan Kwai gogo's, it's supposed to be 1500 all in for ST, plus hotel (crummy 150b, or nicer 280b), but they hit you for sitting fees and cold towels and whatever, in the end it's not much cheaper. And the girls are really hit & miss (I've seen self-scarring, nasty sores around the mouth, etc). At the after-hours dives taxi drivers bring you to, the price is also around 2000b, with beers at 200b (and seriously jaded girls). On the road behind where Siam hotel used to be, the pimps also push around 2000b. I've heard mostly bad reports of the girls around Lumphini, as in rushed and hunted, and not really cheaper either. The kapoo massage places generally charge about 1000b for oil massage plus HJ, often cute girls but keep their clothes on unless you pay more. Cheapest are probably the dingier Petchaburi Rd MPs, from 1100b to 1700b, but again not the pick of the litter.
I'm leaning to the conclusion that the farang-oriented places (Cowboy, Nana, Patpong (careful), and the soapy MPs) really offer the best service for the price in Bangkok. The Thai places are interesting to explore, but I haven't seen anything like paydirt.
I've worn nothing but shorts and t-shirts(quality shorts and shirt) in BKK gogos and can always pull the best pussy in the place. The most important thing in scoring is being able to spend money. If you can't do this then you get no pussy. Doesn't matter how well you are dressed. The more you spend the better you are treated. Being clean and dressing nicely are important, but its more like icing on the cake. BKK is all about MONEY. If you're not prepared to spend money, don't even bother going to a gogo.A fat horny wallet in BKK equals all the poon you can handle. Agreed. (It's a given.) If you got the back, you don't need the front.
From my own personal point of view, buying a ton of drinks and playing Mr. Big Shot never needs a calling card in this city. So, yeah, you and I are obviously on the same wavelength.
However, I do see a fair amount of sad sacks getting shot down lately when they could be scoring some major tang. When you are a bit thick around the middle, missing more than a little on top, (or showing a ton of gray,) and doing that "limited resources" shuffle & frown as you walk into a place, you really do have to create something of a better edge to get what you need. The perception of class & money (as bait) can be a major part of a new strategy toward that end. My point was to help the guys that can't seem to get over the hump, just a gentle shove in a new direction. The plan is very inexpensive, but extremely effective.
Also, for your consideration: If you are after the hottest babes in town, and you do happen to score them pretty often, you are probably going to want to get some of that same fine fine thing going again (at some point,) yes? I find that a good look, a cool pad, a nice smile (and an infectious laugh) with a little generosity, makes them call ME back. I don't have to lift a finger except to add them to the Google address book on my Android. California Bad Boy disease.
Barko,
Nort sure what you mean by "fucked up" men's perfume. I wear perfume now sometimes, not because I like it or need it, but purely to please the Thai girl. Its her taste, e. G. Hugo Boss.
So obviously its got to smell right, not a sickly smell that makes you gag. But plenty of Thai girls like men's perfume (quality rather than el cheapo).
I thought Axe was shower gel (perfectly O. K. I'm sure), however I wouldn't try their aftershave/perfume, assuming its an el cheapo, even if TV ads suggest its a chick magnet.
I used to have a lot of grey clothes and conservative tones perfectly suitable to my age. But now the Thai girl says "out with the boring old-guy stuff, and look young with plenty of colour" O. K. There are limits. At my age, hip-hop stuff would be going too far. But definitely clothes that are not completely tame, unless you are looking for a tame girl. Have a look at the best dressed guys that are 60%-70% of your age, is my recommendation!
I used to think that I could be very plain and my character would win out, but Barko is right that we need need to stand out in the bar crowd as "a prince among the frogs", which usually isn't real difficult, even if we are overweight princes. Some Thai girls even prefer cuddly guys. However being in shape is better.
I very reliable deodorant is very important (after a thorough shower of course). Mouth hygene is important too. Thais don't like body odours and are not as used to it as westerners.
Always remember that the best Thai bargirls available don't have to take just any guy. They can get some degree of choice when multiple guys will like the same girl.
So just try to make youself one of the best choices available, one way or another!A woman's sense of smell is far more acute than a man's. Cheap stinky men's perfumes are almost as bad as bad breath and bad BO.
Showers are one of the most important things you can do in Thailand, I normally go for three a day. It takes 5 minutes and makes you feel so much better, so why not? (Blowjobs fall in this same category but we'll keep that for another post.)
Hugo Boss? XLNT. I bring my deodorant and matching after shave from the US, it isn't available here in LOS. A very light CLEAN smell. "Axe", on the other hand, is a spray deodorant, it's strong, cheap, and available everywhere, even at all the 7-11s. It's what most young Thai guys use. After an hour the putridity of "Axe" is so profound it makes you wince every time you make a move, all you want to do is wash it off.
Most of my Indian friends here use something called "Nivea", both aftershave and deodorant. It can be gawd-awful too strong if it's overused, (and I tease them about it relentlessly) but it's OK for them, and available everywhere here too. I can't use the stuff, it's just too strong for me, but it does work for them, day in and day out.
In general, I dress 20 years younger than my age, what they call dressy casual in California restaurants these days, (with the exception of the jacket.) I feel good, it always leaves a good impression, and it works for me everywhere. Whites and pastels are great anywhere in Thailand, but when I hit SC & NEP I go for the dark colors, mostly to blend into the scene and not stand out like a farang dandy at a Thai wedding.
So for me, I say, Bangkok is a major cosmopolitan city, just dress like you are part of it. Thai women, especially, are tuned to respond to the way you dress and carry yourself here. And, as always, how you dress is who you are in Thailand, it's simply a part of the the Thai DNA. It's how they have separated the buffalo driving rice farmers from the downtown bank VPs from day one. Now, which one of those work groups do you think that the megawatt 9+ hottie you saw on the BTS this morning wants to go with? Heh.
Sorry, just preaching to the choir again. Hope you are having fun where ever you are these days MPL.
Hey guys,
I'll be arriving at BKK at the end of september for my first time there. I usually play in Brasil but believe a time for a different taste has arrived. I'm of course doing my research now, but I'd appreciate any pointers you BKK pros could provide me in regards to what part of BKK to base myself of. And if you could recommend an hotel which is near the action and girlfriendly?
Much appreciated.
Star of Light is a nice place to do what you need to do quickly-walk in, if its hot outside have a quick drink , drop your pants and let them get to work. You can get a BBBJ or screw right there-on the stools at the bar, on those small vinyl couches or crammed on a small chair squashed in between a sink and the wall in the toilet. In an out in fifteen minutes.
But having been there many times my last visit may be my last. Let me explain.
For the first time I realized that Star of Light never ever has new girls. They have had the same old girls for a long time. And there isn’t a girl there under the age of 26. They are all older but I must admit they try their best to take care of themselves though they have three of them there that really have no business there. They are old and they look it. Because I know the girls to a certain extent I can just sit and look and talk to them sometimes. And for the first time I was completely disgusted. I said to myself “why am I letting these hags blow me when I need to find a younger prettier girl”? I mean none of them in there are very attractive except the one girl with big tits. If you have been there you know her-she is fairer skinned and she has a partially removed tattoo on her upper arm. She is a nice girl-and I must admit most of the ladies there are-or so I thought…
So anyhow as I sat at the bar disgusted with all of these MILF wannabees I said to myself you can pretty much do anything to these girls in here for 700-1000 baht. Bone them in the ass, shoot on their face, have them swallow, fuck them at the bar in the bar..not many places where it is no holds barred for that little bit of money. I thought to myself that’s why I am here The horniness took over and I marched my light skinned big tit girl into the toilet.
As I pulled down my pants I realized that I was disgusted again! Why? I am in the damn toilet two feet from a urinal about to screw. And on top of that, the toilet has a cum smell. If you have been there we all have smelled it but I finally realized it. I was completely grossed out. As I looked at the half wet mop in the corner of the toilet I wonder how much sperm was on it. Then I looked at that bench…the infamous bench in the corner..barely big enough to sit on. I wondered how many guys have shot their load all over the bench I had sat on numerous times. Now I was really getting grossed out. But my big tit girl told me to give it to her in the ass so I walked her the few inches to the door and with the door closed I banged her against the door. I didn’t want to see the urinal or the cum soaked mop and chair. It was hard to shoot my load thinking about all of this but eventually she told me to shoot it in her mouth and that got me off.
I cleaned myself up faster than usual and went to leave. As I was went to leave my big tit girl told me something that bothered her and she wanted to ask me about it. She said outside of herself and one other girl they will not go with any man that is not white or Japanese ie Indian, African etc. She said the girls there are very racist because they feel that men that are not Japanese or white are not clean. She said the girls feel they smell and have HIV.
I was a bit stunned. I thought to myself how could a bunch of over the hill women who have swallowed bucket loads of cum in their time(literally!) can be prejudice about whose spunk they swallow. If they had any knowledge at all they would know that although some groups of people-and race has nothing to do with it-you can be a bit more concerned about(bisexual men for example) they need to understand that their job is a wall poster for sexual hazards. Using mouthwash after they bbbj and swallow or not these girls are swallowing cum in large amounts and no doubt some of it has been HIV infected. It is impossible for these girls to not have ever been exposed to HIV in a bbbj and for sure gonorrhea etc. The big tit girl asked me did the bar girls feel like that and I said racism is everywhere but I never heard of nearly every girl in one sex establishment feeling that way.
I left Star of Light feeling as though I would never return. I felt disgusted at fucking in the toilet, the cum smell and the over the hill hags. In addition I felt for the non white and Japanese people of the world who even a wanna be MILF will not even fuck.
But I guess like most, the 700 baht BBBJ will bring me back to the SOL door again.
Showdown.
Hey guys,
I'll be arriving at BKK at the end of september for my first time there. I usually play in Brasil but believe a time for a different taste has arrived. I'm of course doing my research now, but I'd appreciate any pointers you BKK pros could provide me in regards to what part of BKK to base myself of. And if you could recommend an hotel which is near the action and girlfriendly?
Much appreciated.I usually base myself at Sukhumvit soi 4. I think Omni tower serviced apartments building is pretty good value for money. It's a bit further down the street, so it's quiet enough but still close to the action (if you don't mind walking 7 minutes or taking a tuk-tuk). It's GF, and they require girl's I'd and they register her as a guest and give you a call when she leaves. There're smaller hotels closer to Nana on the same soi, e. G. The famous Nana hotel, which seems to have worse rooms for a bit higher or same price than Omni, but right across Nana plaza (which I don't ever bother going to as prefer street/beergarten/discos freelancer type of thing).
I also tried Swiss Park Hotel at soi 11. Not too bad for the price but the facilities are a bit run down. The location is ok, but I still prefer soi4.
But I guess like most, the 700 baht BBBJ will bring me back to the SOL door again.Why go for a BBBJ with a (same) MILF in a disgusting place when you can get a FJ (included BBBJ, shower together etc) with a nicer girl (and a different one) in the comfort of your room, for the same range of money?
but i guess like most, the 700 baht bbbj will bring me back to the sol door again.
showdown.
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FlyingVisitor
08-04-10, 10:40
Well, this is a very precise report about the location.
However, SOL still is a unique place and nowhere you can enjoy so much and follow your needs so consequently than in the public atmosphere of that small bar.
To get blown in the direct view of others is so much thrilling that we have to forget the other mentioned flaws.
Friends, let us continue to patronize the girls there and enyoy our BBBJs and fuckings of pussy and/or anal.
Do you agree?
FV
Mealticket
08-04-10, 12:39
Star of Light is a nice place...You didn't type this did you?
Suntangh R
08-04-10, 13:59
[QUOTE=Barko]A woman's sense of smell is far more acute than a man's. Cheap stinky men's perfumes are almost as bad as bad breath and bad BO.
Showers are one of the most important things you can do in Thailand, I normally go for three a day. It takes 5 minutes and makes you feel so much better, so why not? (Blowjobs fall in this same category but we'll keep that for another post.)
The old fashioned Brut deodrant + Armani or Drakkar Noir.
For good luck, anoint the pubes with one drop for a Holy Ascent!
Where is Barko?
Barko is spot on, dress, hygiene, etc, are crucial. I cannot begin to describe the difference in how I am treated in a gogo, when I am wearing shorts and a T-shirt to when I am am wearing even freshly ironed cargo pants and a collared shirt. There is a huge difference! The girls love my faux Tommy Bahama shirts by the way. Actually, this applies to not only the red light districts of BKK, it is my feeling that throughout Thailand you will get better treatment initially if you are reasonably well dressed.
The only thing I would add is that if you don't have a beard, then make sure you are clean shaven before you head out. Again, this is only my experience, but the Thai women I have been with hate a 1 or 2 day growth on the chops. I even had one of my regulars remind me to shave before we left for a night out on the town. I was pretty much ready to go and she gave me a big smile, and a little tilt of the head and said, Oooh, Khun "Booey", you forget shave today?" I got the message and she was all smiles and a good night was had by all.
Edit: I would also like to add that it is a matter of face for the girls. They are always watching and competing with each other. Is it, "Did you see the stinky, badly dressed Farang that Nit went with tonight, because she cannot get anything better to barfine her." or is it "Oi, I wish that man had barfined me tonight instead of Nit!"
how could a bunch of over the hill women who have swallowed bucket loads of cum in their time(literally!) can be prejudice about whose spunk they swallow.
Because they're Thai!
Where is Barko?Right now at the 'Took Lae Dee' restaurant on Soi 16 at The Foodland Market, (just off Sukhumvit,) on the other side from Asoke. The sauteed Indian Ocean flounder with ground black pepper and green onions on top of rice (Thai style) is simply superb tonight. It's 11:30 PM right now, but I'll be at my condo later, why do you ask? What ever it is, I'm game! (Home to Phuket tomorrow, then back here in BKK on Saturday night.)
Man, I really am getting good at this texting on the phone thing!
BKK Dreaming
08-05-10, 01:08
Hi all
I understand the need to wear a nice button down shirts and look sharp if you are going out to a club etc,
But how do you not sweat like a pig ?
Its so hot even at night that walking a couple blocks will make me sweat,
I try and only buy cotton shirts so at least they absorb a little bit , but am I missing something ?
At home its hot but dry, so if you sweat it drys off quick, but LOS is so humid i never seem dry
thanks for your ideas
BK
Thanks Alxxx for the tips. Checked the Omni Towers but it seems they have a joiner fee. Is that right or I am not reading it correctly?
Also, I understand there are 3 main "playgrounds" in BKK, Nana, Soi Cowboy/Sukhumvit and Patpong. From the reports I read here, Patpong is a no go as it's full of rip off joints, so that's crossed off. Now, between Nana and SC&Sukhumvit, which one is the better option in terms of quality of girls and price and overall fun factor? Also, upon arrival, the first day, I'd like to go for a nice thai massage (the one where you get soaked on an air mattress with the girl), what would you recommend for a good option in that regard?
Thanks a bunch.
I usually base myself at Sukhumvit soi 4. I think Omni tower serviced apartments building is pretty good value for money. It's a bit further down the street, so it's quiet enough but still close to the action (if you don't mind walking 7 minutes or taking a tuk-tuk). It's GF, and they require girl's I'd and they register her as a guest and give you a call when she leaves. There're smaller hotels closer to Nana on the same soi, e. G. The famous Nana hotel, which seems to have worse rooms for a bit higher or same price than Omni, but right across Nana plaza (which I don't ever bother going to as prefer street/beergarten/discos freelancer type of thing).
I also tried Swiss Park Hotel at soi 11. Not too bad for the price but the facilities are a bit run down. The location is ok, but I still prefer soi4.
This topic has been discussed countless times but the situation should have manifested itself to you upon hearing his voice. Read the Identify TVs Thread for some good tips, you can also check their gender on their ID cards or ask the hotel receptionist or security guard for help identifying the gender on their ID cards, although in your situation you didn’t lose much.
Run Mann, with all due respect she had the voice of a girl, as much as I could tell in the club and the taxi. Yes the hands were a bit large and I did start to become suspicious when she told me she forgot her ID, really this should have been a red flag... or was it when we stopped at the gas station and she went to the men's room? Bottom line it can happen to anyone, in fact a few days later in Hong Kong I almost did not go with a girl from Laguna because she had big hands, I had to finger her crotch to convince myself she was a girl, not necessarily the most elegant thing to do in a night club... Fortunately it was OK because she was the real thing and Laguna is not a real night club.
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