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Well, I'm not so sure as I have not (yet) had sex with a French dude. LOL. All in all, I think the French are not really different than the Germans or the Brits. I believe we have just as many sickos as anyone else.The ladies tell me that French men (farangset) are handsome, but "kee neow."
NicFrenchy
03-25-11, 08:35
I have been chatting with this girl for a while and I can say she is someone very interesting and fun to chat with, We started with just the regular Message on Tagged for a few days until she felt interested and intrigued enough to want to chat with me more. We exchanged MSN.
From then on, we would chat the whole day about funny stuff and Food and in the evening, she would be ok to do some kinky stuff on cam.
Last night she send me this message: "Baby, my period come soon, I am very horny, I want you"
I wasn't really expecting that. We joked many times about me sneaking into her apartment and joining her while she is under the shower.
I replied to her MSN that it was a bit Late but that I was willing to wake up early and see her.
She asked me to go to 7/11 and get some snack and chocolate before coming to see her, and she said to call her from the Taxi.
I get 2 packs of condoms, fruits, snacks, drinks and grab a Taxi. I call her and then pass the Phone to the Taxi driver for her to tell him how to get to her place.
Once I arrive there the building looks very clean and a security guard opens the door for me. He is surprised to see me but still lets me through as he sees I bring Food and Beverages.
He smiles at me and I nicely offer him a bag of chips, he is a bit surprised and accepts it with a Big Wai and a smile.
Up I go to the Apartment. The Room is quite small, about 30sqm and there is no kitchen, just a bed, a cabinet, a small CRT TV and bathroom (wall shower hose).
Lady opens the door and we are both all smiles, she takes the bags and looks inside. She tells me she is hungry and ask me what I want to do. I did not come all this way to watch her eat so I tell her I want to see the bathroom, she smiles and says "you want shower?"."ok" I reply and go in the bathroom. She has prepared a towel for me and I have a "Cold water" shower.
She is on the bed waiting and looking at me, coming out wrapped in a towel. I lay beside her and she does not move an inch. Cool, I'll take the lead.
I lean over to kiss her and she is a bit "Cold", I think she is a bit apprehensive and turns her head the other way when I try to kiss her lips. Fair enough, I can't expect her to be all in love from the start.
I go down slowly kissing and softly licking her while gradually removing her night-gown. Her eyes are closed and I hear her moaning softly: she is enjoying.
After I go way down to her sweet spot, she transforms, she grabs my hair and pushes towards her pussy.
I make her cum and she is all changed, Big smile, hungry eye. She wants to take care of me now.
She seems quite surprised and happy with Johnson's Size, she is stroking it and staring. I will learn later that she had 3 BF before and all were Thai-Chinese and quite small in the Pecker department. Anyway, sex was Great (Blow job was horrible though).
After sex, we showered together and had a second round in her bathroom.
We lay in bed trying to talk but her English isn't great and she does write and understands better when chatting. She told me she lives with a lady friend (they share the Room) and her friend go away to PAttaya to see her Boyfriend (a thai guy). They each pay 1, 500 per month for Rent (No A / C).
After talking I get horny again and she is happy, she asks me to DATY Again, she says "I love you do for me". She tells me she is super Horny before and after her Period.
We have sex a third time and she can't take anymore. She falls asleep.
I am in her apartment as I write this report. I am not sure if I should wait till she wakes up for another round or just leave?
Life is hard in Thailand.
I have been chatting with this girl for a while and I can say she is someone very interesting and fun to chat with, We started with just the regular Message on Tagged for a few days until she felt interested and intrigued enough to want to chat with me more. We exchanged MSN.
Life is hard in Thailand. How much time do you invest on average to bang one girl? Also, what is your "conversion" ratio?
NicFrenchy
03-25-11, 08:59
How much time do you invest on average to bang one girl? Also, what is your "conversion" ratio?I never really count, but at the moment there are about 20 girls I am chatting up (off and on) , but not all are ok to meet only for a fuck. That is why I prefer to spend more time chatting and be sure rather than meeting them for dates and wasting my time.
I never really count, but at the moment there are about 20 girls I am chatting up (off and on) , but not all are ok to meet only for a fuck. That is why I prefer to spend more time chatting and be sure rather than meeting them for dates and wasting my time.I consider the chatting to be the bigger waste of time. A lot of girls just like having guys give them attention online. I try to skip ahead to meeting as quickly as possible, because if they're willing to meet then you end up sleeping together before long.
I never really count, but at the moment there are about 20 girls I am chatting up (off and on) , but not all are ok to meet only for a fuck. That is why I prefer to spend more time chatting and be sure rather than meeting them for dates and wasting my time.I know you have a great job that pays big money and all that, but do you ever have time for work, Frenchy? .
NicFrenchy
03-25-11, 10:49
I know you have a great job that pays big money and all that, but do you ever have time for work, Frenchy? .I have a Big team under me so I delegate a lot. But I still have big risks. I have Msn on my phone so it is always easy to Chat "on the Go" and also a lot in evenings.
As opposed to Evianist, I am not meeting any girl until I am sure we will meet for sex. My Staff have enough stories of them going to fancy restaurants and Clubs with Farangs just to get free meals and drinks. And never actually get laid.
As opposed to Evianist, I am not meeting any girl until I am sure we will meet for sex.Every farang on every thai dating site is trying to do the same thing. And many of them are offering money, gifts and vacations. Logging endless hours on MSN and camfrog having inane flirty conversations is something I can't personally stomach, so I'd rather just ask them to meet and see what happens. But it sounds like you're enjoying yourself, so whatever works for you.
My Staff have enough stories of them going to fancy restaurants and Clubs with Farangs just to get free meals and drinks. And never actually get laid.That was rampant where I lived back home. Can't imagine guys going that route here when they could walk down the street and pop into a massage parlour, but given some of the fees guys have reported that they willingly paid, I'm sure it happens.
I couldn't stomach the hours of chatting either. I guess we are not as dedicated to pussy as Nic is!
What about meeting girls in the streets etc? It shouldn't be that hard and I think that's what I would do if I were an expat in BKK. Right now I'm banging a waitress from a restaurant I hang out in, it was quite likely the easiest sex I've ever had. Just a few jokes here and there was all it took. And no, I'm not paying or gifting her anything. In my limited experience with normal thai girls, they don't seem very hard to crack.
NicFrenchy
03-25-11, 16:10
In my limited experience with normal thai girls, they don't seem very hard to crack.That's true if you aim for the lower Class (waitresses, shop attendants) or middle class (office) girls, but once you start to tap into the upper middle class and / or the young, white, pretty girls, then it's difficult because you have to really get into their heads. These style of ladies are looking for Rich thai Guys and not Farangs. Sure they are Crackable, but it takes time and Patience. And a lot of perseverance (many will refuse).
Street random girls (check) , waitresses (check) , Shop Attendants (check) , Hairdressers (Check) , Office Gal (check) , Manager (check) , Banker (check) , Student (check) , Air Force (Check). Getting boring now unless I go for the more difficult girls. These ones won't meet you at all unless you really take the time first.
Once I bed the girl I am after now (been 2 months.) then I will be back to P4P. It's less headaches.
once you start to tap into the upper middle class and / or the young, white, pretty girls, then it's difficult because you have to really get into their heads. These style of ladies are looking for Rich thai Guys and not Farangs. Sure they are Crackable, but it takes time and Patience. And a lot of perseverance (many will refuse)...Getting boring now unless I go for the more difficult girls. These ones won't meet you at all unless you really take the time first.
From what you've said, you're getting all your girls from tagged dot com. This is where the highest level, difficult to crack, upper class thai women hang out?
NicFrenchy
03-25-11, 16:38
From what you've said, you're getting all your girls from tagged dot com. This is where the highest level, difficult to crack, upper class thai women hang out?Because you think I will lay all the details of my life on a sex forum? Hahahahaha
Those who met and know me are aware. As far as ISG is concerned, let's stick to ST and LT Prices.
I have 3 preset message templates. 1st Message, Reply to First Message, Third Message.
If I haven't got the phone number and agreement to meet for coffee by message 3 then I abandon that prospect (there is a right way to ask for the phone number and a wrong way. I am not giving up all my secrets)!
I never talk about sex or anything remotely like that in the messages.
I tell them I don't have time to msn or chat but much prefer to meet in person (there is a right way to ask and a wrong way. I am not giving up all my secrets)!
Arrange to meet for coffee (never lunch or dinner, too big a commitment and too expensive and no easy bail out)
Choose a cheap coffee shop very close (3 minutes walk) to your apartment (Starbucks too expensive if pursuing many leads).
Never think about sex on the first date (unless it is blindingly obvious). Meet for coffee only and be super nice and super polite (I used to aim for sex on first date but the strike rate is low compared to the long term benefits of the patient approach. Aiming for sex on first date is for amateurs and everyone is trying that. Possible 5 years ago but game has changed now).
Tell them you have a really nice apartment and would love to show them your place next time you meet.
Send a thank you sms and other occasional sms messages (but not too many, just have a nice day and so on to stay on the radar).
Next date tell them you are feeling very lazy but would love to see them and invite them to your apartment (there is a right way to ask them to your apartment and a wrong way. I am not giving up all my secrets)!
If they come then its game on (always assume they will be late for all dates by the way, which is why it's important the coffee shop you meet at be near your place. Only stop what you are doing and proceed to rendevous when they have confirmed their arrival).
I have a large sofa with an additional small one seater. When they come to your apartment ensure the one seater is full of cushions so they can't sit there (they will be isolated and you can't get them out of that seat).
Once they are sat on the sofa, you sit on the one seater and they start to relax. Put on music make them laugh a bit talk for a while and so on.
Get up and get them a drink or go to the toilet and then sit on the sofa next to them and hold their hand.
If they don't object out then its game on! If they object then apologise and be super polite and move back to your seat (they love this as they know they are safe in your hands and these are the ones that crop up later as referenced below).
The approximate stats.
Send 20 messages.
Get 10 replies.
From those replies get 6 numbers.
From those 6 numbers meet 4.
2 will come to your apartment.
You will bang 1 that comes to your apartment (but many more later as per below).
Now here is the interesting part and the BEAUTY of Thailand and Thai girls. The above may all sound like a lot of effort but there is a compounding effect that kicks in around the 6 to 8 week mark assuming you have been disciplined in sending 10 to 20 messages per day.
What happens is that you never come on or off a Thai girls radar you simply move up and down their priority list. All of a sudden you will start getting random calls at all hours from girls you met weeks ago that now want to meet and when you tell them fine but only for sex they always agree (that's why they are calling you anyway).
It is more or less a pure numbers game and if you religiously follow the discipline of sending messages every day then in 6 to 8 weeks you will be banging more Thai girls (and I mean office workers and so called real girls) than you know what to do with. Your head will be spinning and you can have sex two to three times a day with different girls. I cannot stress enough that this will NOT happen straight away. It takes discipline and perseverance but the dividends are phenomenal. You simply will not be able to keep up after the 6 to 8 week mark. Fortunately many people haven't worked this out and give up in the first week after not getting laid.
Surprisingly (or actually no surprise at all) the BEST online hunting hours are Monday to Friday from 9am to 5pm (although 3pm to 5pm is prime time). Office girls busy in the office!
I am only interested in so called 'office' or 'real' girls (I call them civilians) and here are some tips for identifying non real girls:
Works in Salon.
Can play pool
Knows Gullivers on Soi 5
No Job.
Have Own Business – Question Mark.
Knows Q Bar and Spassos.
Knows Climax in Soi 11.
Under no circumstances do I pay any of the girls and I beleive they would be offended if I did. If they look like the type who want payment or commitment I abandon that prospect.
Hope this helps. Be warned you will need spreadsheets and detailed descriptions on your phone as things spiral out of control (I am 100% serious about that).
Happy Hunting
OC Ass Man
03-26-11, 13:59
Having arrived the day before with my Singaporean colleague, we met Thai clients for "lunch". They had meetings til 1, and then we went to their choice of lunch spot. La Belle.
Rather more upscale than places like Utopia. No fishbowl or sideline, just a stack of "lips"-shaped couches for the girls to sit on. It was pretty dead when we arrived at 130, so we had snacks and drinks and chatted with the mammi while one of the clients got his VIP card for this year (he paid for that on his own, but :lunch: was on us. I've got to say that the prices ("S" at 2900Bht, and up past 5K for "L" and special girls) are out of my "own pocket"'s league with all the adds. The place doesn't (from discussions in Thai between mammi and our clients, and my colleague (who speaks more THai than I do). That their prices are high enough that they don't see the need for a farang charge. YMMV if you show up not speaking any Thai.
Anyway, after about 15 girls got out of the locker room, we made our choices. I went with #S19. Patt. Who looked very much like a Japanese girl. Tiny, with more boob than I expected from seeing her upon the lip-couches.
The set up at La Belle is pretty typical. Elevator up to the rooms, room has a tub (big new 4 seat jacuzzi) , a separate steam shower, bed, and enough room for a 3person couch and TV. After a little messing about on the couch, she helped me undress, and we went thru the traditional scrubbing (Dettol in the water, don't get it in your eyes) , mouthwash, etc. Turns out that she's the resident "Kawaii-girl" (gets a lot of Japanese clients) , speaks Japanese (as do I). We went to the bed, where she expressed concern at the size of Herr Shwantz, and then proceeded to give me a three-axis deepthroat CBJ with Axels, Sitz spins, and tilt-and-whirls that gave the lie bigtime to her concerns. She wasn't keen on DATY, but did respond well to thumb and finger work as we went through having her lower lips swallow me, as well. Between cowgirl, mish, reverse cowgirl, sitting, standing, doggie, doggie yoga, and back to cowgirl after another round of CBJ, she was successful in dragging a full load out of me (vitamin L gives me a headache, but tends to leave me unlikely to pop until very very late in the game, and I was out of C.) I'd call her an 8. 5 for looks (very pretty face (chang Mai girl, but looks Japanese) , flawless skin and breasts, cute butt (a little scarring) , and long, curled hair). Call it 8 for service (she was up for plenty, tried hard, was funny, got into the moment) , and 8. 5 for skillsets. Didn't try backdoor, tho she was likely up for it with a little prep, but the CBJ was about the best I've gotten. That I can remember, and she was tight and acrobatic, (and light enough to played as a spinner, never a bad thing as far as I'm concerned.
Phone rang as we were cleaning up. Got dressed, got digits (she has a blackberry. LOL). Went down, and with traffic at a BKK late afternoon standard jam, walked a block or so to the subway, and thence to BTS and my hotel.
I'd go back. On an expense account, but otherwise. Not my price range, tho the talent did seem to match the priciness.
(Side note. Saw a girl there sitting in the lounge area (waiting for a guy who arrived just before we went upstairs, and never got off his phone, as far as I could see) who looked like an A-Pop star (big hair, black miniskirt, and a 10K$ Bell&Ross watch). I'd hazard that she was one of the "specials" and was clearly pre-booked. Youch.)
@Nic: fair enough. Quite comparable to my situation in China.
@Bowerboy: in your opinion, how do you explain the initial lukewarm interest then the interested messages a few weeks later? I imagine you talk to the girls about it; what's the explanation?
@OC ass man: so is La Belle an afternoon place? Do you have to have lunch there or can you just roll in and get a girl?
NicFrenchy
03-27-11, 02:53
@OC ass man: so is La Belle an afternoon place? Do you have to have lunch there or can you just roll in and get a girl?It's a Soapy, not a restaurant.
http://www.labelle-entertainment.com/
CoyoteLover
03-27-11, 05:15
These girls would never behave like that with a Thai guy. They play with the niceness of the white Buffalo.This is so true!
I usually go out with a Thai crew and the way my Thai mates treat their "date"du jour is bordering on the inhumane. Going ST / LT with most farang is a holiday compared to working a Thai crowd.
I am always respectful, clean and polite with my girls but if I get the odd bad apple and she's trying to screw me I have to change gears quickly and get into asshole mode or lose control over the situation and be taken advantage of. I took some Thai guys into a busy bar in Soi Cowboy several times and they were just astonished by the stupidity of some of the things they saw.
CoyoteLover
03-27-11, 05:20
No coyotes and drink wh0res. Less touristy. The girls are mostly looking for you to take them out, as opposed to Cowboy girls who just stare at themselves in the mirrors while they're dancing.
Most of my favorite girls have come from Nana.
If you want to see some shows and have a fun night out, go to Cowboy. If you want to take girls home, go to Nana. Coyote are fun!
Though not the Soi Cowboy concept of coyote. In Soi Cowboy they totally perverted the coyote concept.
CoyoteLover
03-27-11, 05:24
I don't think the OP meant "Force Her" in a negative or Brutal Way, I think he just meant that sometimes you get that "unsure resistance" from a girl but she isn't really saying no. So you kind of push your way in.
I remember a lady from ANGEL (soi 24/1) who did not want me to DATY. She said no and put her hand on her pussy. I removed her hand and started to lick her. She tried closing her legs but to no avail. Once she "came" she gave me a Great DFK and a Thank you. "No means yes but well, sometimes no means NO!" was a difficult concept for me to grasp when I first got exposed to Asia. Especially with a barfine where I really have no idea how to read the girl but after a while I boiled it down to this:
"Unsure Resistance" is best responded to with "Playful assertiveness".
I have 3 preset message templates. 1st Message, Reply to First Message, Third Message.
If I haven't got the phone number and agreement to meet for coffee by message 3 then I abandon that prospect (there is a right way to ask for the phone number and a wrong way. I am not giving up all my secrets)!
I never talk about sex or anything remotely like that in the messages.
I tell them I don't have time to msn or chat but much prefer to meet in person (there is a right way to ask and a wrong way. I am not giving up all my secrets)!
Arrange to meet for coffee (never lunch or dinner, too big a commitment and too expensive and no easy bail out)
Choose a cheap coffee shop very close (3 minutes walk) to your apartment (Starbucks too expensive if pursuing many leads).
Never think about sex on the first date (unless it is blindingly obvious). Meet for coffee only and be super nice and super polite (I used to aim for sex on first date but the strike rate is low compared to the long term benefits of the patient approach. Aiming for sex on first date is for amateurs and everyone is trying that. Possible 5 years ago but game has changed now). You seem to know what you're doing bowerboy. I imagine you end up with as many girls as you can handle.
I don't work with as many girls simultaneously as you do, but my approach is more or less the same. Trying to minimize MSN chatting, and not bringing up sex constantly seems to be the key.
I had a couple girls who were hesitant and weren't warming up, even after a couple meetings. Then I kind of pulled back and waited and after a couple weeks something changed and we soon slept together. Oddly enough, these types ended up being the most passionate and sexual in bed, whereas the ones I slept with the first night sometimes ended up being a little boring.
I don't think the OP meant "Force Her" in a negative or Brutal Way, I think he just meant that sometimes you get that "unsure resistance" from a girl but she isn't really saying no. So you kind of push your way in.I prefer the word "coax" for this approach.
Hi Chill Out.
Thai Girls are something of a mystery really. I guess its part of the magic and allure. I just think its a case that it may not be the right time for them on the first meeting for various reasons (another guy they are interested in, recently broken heart and not quite ready and so on and so on) As mentioned you just move up and down their priority list depending on their personal circumstances.
One extremely important thing is the feeling of being safe and secure. This is huge for the Thai girls. If they feel horny and do want no strings attached then they want it to be with someone they feel safe and secure with. You have to clearly demonstrate that you understand that no means no and that you are not pushy and super respectful. This will take you very very far with a lot of Thai girls.
Another weird thing is the "loyalty" that gets built up. Its extraordinary and I can't really understand it. I met a stewardess from Bangkok Airways (on a flight not online). We met a couple times and enede up in bed but she made it very very clear that she didn't want a farang boyfriend and was waiting for Thai Mr Right. She found him and he was a Pilot on Bangkok Airways. But even so she would still come and stay with me perhaps once a month and I never really understood why. It was almost like a loyalty thing or bacause she felt comfortable and so why not. It stopped after about a year and she is married now but I have countless other stories like this. I am an average looking guy and I assume average in bed but I know for sure that girls feel extremely secure and comfortable when I meet them and I think this plays a huge part although I don't completely understand it.
@Nic: fair enough. Quite comparable to my situation in China.
@Bowerboy: in your opinion, how do you explain the initial lukewarm interest then the interested messages a few weeks later? I imagine you talk to the girls about it; what's the explanation?
Agree completely. Each to their own but I absolutely refuse to chat on MSN. I just don't have time for it and if they want to endlessly chat on MSN then chances are they just online to flirt and play games. Most girls will give you their number if you explain your situation and ask politely (I am so sorry to be impolite and I hope you don't mind me asking but would it be ok with you if I took your phone number. I am sorry to ask but it is very difficult for me to chat on MSN as it is blocked in our office. I hope you don't mind and I apologise again for asking something like this so soon but I am very interested to meet you and see if we have a nice connection, don't worry I am a very nice guy I promise, you will see). Some of this does tie in with the first email template though which helps a lot.
I usually go out with a Thai crew and the way my Thai mates treat their "date"du jour is bordering on the inhumane. Going ST / LT with most farang is a holiday compared to working a Thai crowd.I would like to hear more about this (from you and others if they have anecdotes). What exactly have you witnessed?
OC Ass Man
03-27-11, 14:53
It's a Soapy, not a restaurant.
http://www.labelle-entertainment.com/Mssr Nic has the right of it. They have food, but it's a Soapy. This was "Lunch", not Lunch.
GermanBoy 2
03-27-11, 16:15
Have had some bad moments at soy cowboy. First impression has been that girls are much more beautiful, cute and young then at nana. Started to chat with one, had a couple of drinks with her (lady drink of course) and it was really nice. When I wanted to go with her she said that this is impossible, cause she is not for take away, only for customers amusement in the bar. This happened to me at 2 different places.
Afterwards I asked in 3 other bars the mamasan in the begining, and yes, it was always the same. Girls in one uniform are not for take away, girls in another uniform are therefore. Unfortunately in my eyes the no-go-girls have been by far much more atractive.
In nana, as far as I know, girls are in general not as pretty. Therefore everyone is for take away menue. So I prefer that place in future cause it is really stupid if you think "thats the one". And then it is not.
Some of this does tie in with the first email template though which helps a lot.How's your template look?
When things go wrong with your evening in Thailand, all is not lost.
Had an evening available for mongering. Started out with a quick bite at Quenn Vistoria Pub near Soi Cowboy and enjoying watching the English get trashed by Sri Lanka in the cricket. Had already called to my favourite bargirl at Dollshouse, but got the bad news that she was busy today. So what to do? Maybe get a girl or two from Suzie Wong.
Sat with a regular girl at SW for a while and let her dance once and do her "aap-naam" soap-sudsing show. Hostess/waitress "Or" and two mamasans had suggested a couple of girls as real goers, by customer reports. Was pondering over whether to take a 2nd girl as well but decided not to. Just was about to pay the bar fine, when some other guy walks in a bar fines her immediately. Slow on the draw can be deadly. I had already invested in a few drinks and so was slightly pissed off. Paid the bill and left.
Thought I would check out the Baccara hostesses that wear black. Went with a good one once before. Most of the hot hostesses seem to have been taken already by 11Pm on a Saturday. So went inside for a quick drink to see if any known girls were still there. Not really.
Spotted a girl sitting in the corner who looked quite pretty to me and slim how I like them. Called her over, and she seemed real friendly and bubbly despite looking very shy in the corner before. Turned out she was a newbie (just 1 month) age 25. She had to go dance, and I immediately thought she was much prettier / sexier the girls doing the special show just before.
So this time got her bar fined quickly before anything futher could go wrong. Turned out to be incredibly good fun in bed. Better than a GFE. Squirmed around while doing DATY but she never wanted me to stop. So gave her more DATY later. Had no baby and body was very nice with maybe smallish apple bottom and well shaped near to B cups.
Her blow job was veeeerrrrry slow (just as slow as Tulip Dao) which is how I like it. It never ceases to amaze me how few girls are capable of slow BBBJ.
She was not able to stay all night but more than happy to give me a second round before she left. Money had not been discussed, but she had assessed right that I am not a stingy type. I got a 2nd shot not long after the first, which is normal for many guys, but rare for me. So she was just that hot.
As its very normal for me to not discuss money with the girl, I thought I would ask her if she doesn't discuss the price with every customer. Turns out it depends on the style of the customer or his nationality to some extent. Some countries have a reputation as stingy, she hears from other girls. So mostly with western Farangs she doesn't discuss the price. She said she has had only one non-Farang customer, Japanese and did check the price with him, as Japanese were a somewhat unknown quantity to her. She is a picky with her customers too she said. They must smell nice for example and seem very clean.
We joked around and had a lot of fun. She doesn't like overly serious customers.
Guys, rule No. 1: Don't ask the girl why such a nice girl is doing this job, and wanting money for sex? The girl doesn't ask you why you are so hard up that you would pay to go with bar-girls that you consider to be low-class.
Anyway, she indicated that any customers who ask too many questions will get knocked back. She has to earn money but wants a fun time as well.
For really Thai horny girls, the opportunity to get sex with nice Farangs and get paid for it as well, can be good. She tells me she is done with Thai men, lives with mom now, and just wants to have fun with no BF, or maybe a really nice Farang BF one day.
So my evening turned from nearly ruined to gold, as she may be just about to take over the "Favourite Bar-girl on Cowboy" title. Oh shit, forgot to get her phone number. Will have to fix that in a hurry. There are still really super bar-girls around, so go-gos are not yet a total bore for me.
"Unsure Resistance" is best responded to with "Playful assertiveness".. And a few tequilas (leg openers) are occasionally needed to get her in a hot for it mood. Occasionally, not so often.
1. Get Qatay. This is the most important one. She's might be busy, but be patient and it'll pay off. She's worth it.When I saw this name, I was confused for a second as it looks similar to Katoey (lady-boy) , but then realised that it would be Gra-dtaai (rabbit). Just in case anyone else was confused and thought it might sound like Katy / Katie.
Went to this place a few weeks back in Washington Square. It is grundgy and dirty inside. Sat down in a booth and 2 girls sat next to me. Both ordered drinks. Within a minute, one had my dick in her mouth. She sucked for a good five minutes while the other one gave me a back rub. Then, the 2nd girl took over. She was better. She also pulled her pants down and rubber her pussy on my dick. She then went down for the finish and I blew in her mouth.
There is really no charge for the BBBJ. They charge you for the drinks and you tip.
Total with tip was 850 Baht.
NicFrenchy
03-28-11, 00:50
Most girls will give you their number if you explain your situation and ask politely (I am so sorry to be impolite and I hope you don't mind me asking but would it be ok with you if I took your phone number. I am sorry to ask but it is very difficult for me to chat on MSN as it is blocked in our office. I hope you don't mind and I apologise again for asking something like this so soon but I am very interested to meet you and see if we have a nice connection, don't worry I am a very nice guy I promise, you will see). Some of this does tie in with the first email template though which helps a lot.Wow, you certainly know how to beg. . In my experience, saying Sorry to a woman without having done anything wrong isn't the thing to do.
Your modus operandi seems to be cam frog screen shots and endless chat on msn. Mine is get the number and meet asap. It works, beleive me.
Two options. Be ultra polite and show that you understand the Thai way of asking (and build trust and sense of security from the very start) or chat for weeks on msn. I'll take the Thai way anyday.
Show us some more camfrog screenshots and I'll show you some pics of real girls in my bed, not on my computer screen;)
Good luck with the online alter ego by the way.
Wow, you certainly know how to beg. . In my experience, saying Sorry to a woman without having done anything wrong isn't the thing to do.
NicFrenchy
03-28-11, 04:36
Your modus operandi seems to be cam frog screen shots and endless chat on msn. Mine is get the number and meet asap. It works, beleive me.
Two options. Be ultra polite and show that you understand the Thai way of asking (and build trust and sense of security from the very start) or chat for weeks on msn. I'll take the Thai way anyday.
Show us some more camfrog screenshots and I'll show you some pics of real girls in my bed, not on my computer screen.
Good luck with the online alter ego by the way. Haven't used Camfrog in a While. I have now switched to Tagged and am Quite successful there.
In the end, it all depends on what type of girl you are targeting, if it is the regular Waitresses, office lady, store sales then for me it's not that interesting anymore as I've been doing them already.
The hard part is to get the really cute, White, young girls that all the thais go after. Now these girls are not really the type to go with Farangs in the first place and they are hit-on and asked for numbers by a lot of guys on a daily basis (same approach as Yours).
What works for me is not to be Apologetic but direct and funny and also mysterious (girls get hooked on that).
Contact them for a day or two, and then Stop completely. After a few days she will complain why you don't write to her? (your Average Bozo will send 10 messages a day or call many times).
For me, being distant works really well because they are the ones chasing and offering their number. They don't understand why a guy would not answer their massage or return their phone call.
But I have to say, doing the non-P4P has a huge downside. The girls can't get enough of you and they are difficult to get rid of.
While it was fun for a while, I have now decided to stop it completely and go back to P4P only, a lot less headaches.
..... But I have to say, doing the non-P4P has a huge downside. The girls can't get enough of you and they are difficult to get rid of. ......Don't have that much experience about non-p4p women.
But especially the one from Nikhom (30 km from my actual place) is exactly that kind of woman. In her early 30's, I was the first man for her, she knows that there is another woman around (sometimes). But she loves me, wants to meet me even when I am sickwants to come with me to BKK in April.
I start to miss my freedom. Not yet bored of her, no. But it should stay up to my schedule, up to me.
Maa Paa
Sat with a regular girl at SW for a while and let her dance once and do her "aap-naam" soap-sudsing show. Hostess/waitress "Or" and two mamasans had suggested a couple of girls as real goers, by customer reports. Was pondering over whether to take a 2nd girl as well but decided not to. Just was about to pay the bar fine, when some other guy walks in a bar fines her immediately. Slow on the draw can be deadly. I had already invested in a few drinks and so was slightly pissed off. Paid the bill and left.Gee, hope I'm not the guy that made you take your ball and go across the soi. Is this the girl?
148624
If yes, thanks for the leg openers.
Thought I would check out the Baccara hostesses that wear black. Went with a good one once before. Most of the hot hostesses seem to have been taken already by 11Pm on a Saturday.Like this one?
148625
If so, thanks for supporting her.
Gee, hope I'm not the guy that made you take your ball and go across the soi. Is this the girl?
148624
If yes, thanks for the leg openers.
Like this one?
148625
If so, thanks for supporting her. Pita,
No and No are the answers.
The 1st pic was under consideration as a possible 2nd girl to add to the other one. I saw this girl pictured later outside going into another bar, maybe with you (not so sure) , about the time I was taking my Baccara girl away.
I recognise the Baccara hostess pictured, but haven't been with her yet. She wasn't there when I entered Baccara.
But it will be hard to go past my newbie that was such fun.
Pita,
No and No are the answers.
The 1st pic was under consideration as a possible 2nd girl to add to the other one. I saw this girl pictured later outside going into another bar, maybe with you (not so sure) , about the time I was taking my Baccara girl away.
I recognise the Baccara hostess pictured, but haven't been with her yet. She wasn't there when I entered Baccara.
But it will be hard to go past my newbie that was such fun. Yeah that was me and Fon Tok taking her, and a few others in tow, into the other bar. You shoulda said Hi. .
I had a similar experience to yours both at Long Gun and Shark earlier in the week. Chatting up some girls when *bam* they were BFed out from under me. Annoying.
I recognise the Baccara hostess pictured, but haven't been with her yet. She wasn't there when I entered Baccara.She gained 10kg and perhaps had a nose job since this pic was taken.
FlyingVisitor
03-28-11, 09:47
Went to this place a few weeks back in Washington Square. It is grundgy and dirty inside. Sat down in a booth and 2 girls sat next to me. Both ordered drinks. Within a minute, one had my dick in her mouth. She sucked for a good five minutes while the other one gave me a back rub. Then, the 2nd girl took over. She was better. She also pulled her pants down and rubber her pussy on my dick. She then went down for the finish and I blew in her mouth.
There is really no charge for the BBBJ. They charge you for the drinks and you tip.
Total with tip was 850 Baht. Please allow three questions:
1) What time of the day was it?
2) Would hou have the chance to get an uncovered full service after several minutes of BBBJ?
3) Do you recommend to visit that place if you want to do "naughty" things?
Thanks for response.
FV
John Traveller
03-28-11, 14:08
the [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) bj-bar is found by going down soi 8, and then turn right at the second sub-soi. lots of girls sitting outside (none are "[CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900)" btw).
i arrive there at 3 pm, inside i take a drink at the bar and they tell me the prices. 700 for bj and 1000 for fs."choose girl!" i say. a woman says: " i choose you!". still i go out to look at the girls outside again. none of them are especially attractive (in this kind of place the technique is the most important) , but i choose the one i like best. then we go upstairs and behind a curtain. i take off all my clothes (don't know if that's necessary, but.) now i sit on the couch, and the girl kneel on the floor and starts bbbj. the experience isn't exactly sensual, the girl doesn't touch more than my dick, and the way i'm sitting i can't touch her much either. and how is the technique? well, it's just the normal bj, not dt or anything special. she doesn't care with my balls either. but she keeps going at a steady space without stopping, so i come after a while (it helps to think about fs, lol.) she spits out into some tissue and dries me off with a towel. then she leaves and i relax alone. i go downstairs and pay at the bar. 700 for the bj + 75 for the coke, and then i hit the street. it's all over in not so many minutes.
this place is not very busy, but i see some customers arriving and leaving. i cannot really recommend it. if you like it fast and simple, maybe. but it's a much better idea to take an hour at an oily massage and get a bj there for 1400.
Nicekindofguy
03-28-11, 14:25
Recently enjoyed one of my best sessions ever. Akane offer a set menu, and do not offer full service, which suits me both on grounds of age and guilt. While perhaps originally catering for a mainly Japanese clientele they now have many farang customers too. They advertise massage and oral at B1560 for 1. 5 hrs, but from my experience this is akin to advertising a 12 course banquet as a bite to eat. The girl I saw (An Ri) was pretty, petite, chirpy and talented. Of course it always helps if you click with a girl, but only rarely does this happen. It did for me on this occasion.
The session started with an extended, gentle, warm water wash on a stool designed for cleaning of one's intimate areas, followed by a back massage. I was then asked to kneel on all fours for extended oral from behind and below and, after turning over, more conventionally. I was encouraged to enjoy 2 shots, which I had thought was long beyond me within the space of 40 mins without the use of chemical assistance, but not on this occasion. The room and bathroom were very clean and comfortable. Great girl, great service, cannot recommend highly enough if you are looking for something other than full service. This was at Soi 33, although Akane also have a similar place at Chitlom.
From my experience most other MPs are considerably less clean, offer and expect customers to want FS, and are then far less focussed on and skilled in the giving of pleasure. Are there other recommended similar clean, non-FS parlours in Bangkok and also HK and Singapore?
NicFrenchy
03-28-11, 15:31
i come after a while (it helps to think about fs, lol.)fs is available@[CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900). for a mere 1, 100 thb (in the curtained booth) or for 1500 thb (in a private room upstairs)
next time, don't think about fs, just ask the girl and she'll happily drop her panties for you to fuck her.
FlyingVisitor
03-28-11, 17:06
the [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) bj-bar is found by going down soi 8, and then turn right at the second sub-soi. lots of girls sitting outside (none are "[CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900)" btw).
i arrive there at 3 pm, inside i take a drink at the bar and they tell me the prices. 700 for bj and 1000 for fs."choose girl!" i say. a woman says: " i choose you!". still i go out to look at the girls outside again. none of them are especially attractive (in this kind of place the technique is the most important) , but i choose the one i like best. then we go upstairs and behind a curtain. i take off all my clothes (don't know if that's necessary, but.) now i sit on the couch, and the girl kneel on the floor and starts bbbj. the experience isn't exactly sensual, the girl doesn't touch more than my dick, and the way i'm sitting i can't touch her much either. and how is the technique? well, it's just the normal bj, not dt or anything special. she doesn't care with my balls either. but she keeps going at a steady space without stopping, so i come after a while (it helps to think about fs, lol.) she spits out into some tissue and dries me off with a towel. then she leaves and i relax alone. i go downstairs and pay at the bar. 700 for the bj + 75 for the coke, and then i hit the street. it's all over in not so many minutes.
this place is not very busy, but i see some customers arriving and leaving. i cannot really recommend it. if you like it fast and simple, maybe. but it's a much better idea to take an hour at an oily massage and get a bj there for 1400. hi,
if you prefer a more challenging, stimulating blow. event you should consider sol in patpong ii.
you will find no beauties but experienced technique. and the thrilling fact that you will be served in the public of the bar.
go and enjoy.
fv
Total with tip was 850 Baht.Heh, that's quite a few drinks at WC.
2) Would hou have the chance to get an uncovered full service after several minutes of BBBJ?They look like they've handled whole platoons uncovered. My nerve failed me.
3) Do you recommend to visit that place if you want to do "naughty" things?Especially if you're a gerontophile.
the [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) bj-bar is found by going down soi 8, and then turn right at the second sub-soi. lots of girls sitting outside (none are "[CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900)" btw).
i arrive there at 3 pm, inside i take a drink at the bar and they tell me the prices. 700 for bj and 1000 for fs."choose girl!" i say. a woman says: " i choose you!". still i go out to look at the girls outside again. none of them are especially attractive (in this kind of place the technique is the most important) , but i choose the one i like best. then we go upstairs and behind a curtain. i take off all my clothes (don't know if that's necessary, but.) now i sit on the couch, and the girl kneel on the floor and starts bbbj. the experience isn't exactly sensual, the girl doesn't touch more than my dick, and the way i'm sitting i can't touch her much either. and how is the technique? well, it's just the normal bj, not dt or anything special. she doesn't care with my balls either. but she keeps going at a steady space without stopping, so i come after a while (it helps to think about fs, lol.) she spits out into some tissue and dries me off with a towel. then she leaves and i relax alone. i go downstairs and pay at the bar. 700 for the bj + 75 for the coke, and then i hit the street. it's all over in not so many minutes.
this place is not very busy, but i see some customers arriving and leaving. i cannot really recommend it. if you like it fast and simple, maybe. but it's a much better idea to take an hour at an oily massage and get a bj there for 1400.i always get them to strip with fiv, ass play, tit suck.
but, you must be a cheap charlie. you didn't even leave a tip? (not even 100 baht) that is bad manners dude. don't expect much next time.
Please allow three questions:
1) What time of the day was it?
2) Would hou have the chance to get an uncovered full service after several minutes of BBBJ?
3) Do you recommend to visit that place if you want to do "naughty" things?
Thanks for response.
FVIt was the afternoon.
My experience is that BBFS is available if you want. Of course, you can really get that anywhere in Bangkok from my experience.
Pay enough and they will be as naughty as you want.
Heh, that's quite a few drinks at WC.Yeah. I am not a cheap Charlie like some. If I get 2 girls to suck my dick, rub my cock against their pussy, and blow in their mouth, I leave a nice tip.
agreed that star of light is much much better than [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s.
star of light is much more raw and spontaneous. [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) is a bit clinical for my liking.
star of light they just start blowing you as soon as you sit down. no wipe down or anything! i wouldn't want to be the girl but hey it makes for something a lot more spontaneous and raunchy in my opinion.
agreed that star of light is much much better than [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s.
star of light is much more raw and spontaneous. [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) is a bit clinical for my liking.
star of light they just start blowing you as soon as you sit down. no wipe down or anything! i wouldn't want to be the girl but hey it makes for something a lot more spontaneous and raunchy in my opinion. apparently not everyone agrees. different styles suit different customers.
i talked to the owner of [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) and he believes his business model works very well. there is no hanky panky allowed downstairs at all. not really sure why. even the owner's mother was sitting there having a drink. upstairs, some customers need their privacy. sol has a problem for me in that they try to rush you. you only get sex in public for a limited time. for those who normally go to the back room at sol (which is terrible) , i think [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) could be a better option. if at sol, i prefer to play up in the main bar area.
She gained 10kg and perhaps had a nose job since this pic was taken.I think I still would have recognised her, after last seeing her just a few weeks ago. One hostess did come up to me in the bar, that I didn't recognise. I trust it did not resemble her at all.
I reckon she was BFed already that night. I asked my Bacarra girl where all the hostesses in black were. She replied that most were BFed, and grabbing customers more skillfuly than the dancing girls.
I think I still would have recognised her, after last seeing her just a few weeks ago. One hostess did come up to me in the bar, that I didn't recognise. I trust it did not resemble her at all.
I reckon she was BFed already that night. I asked my Bacarra girl where all the hostesses in black were. She replied that most were BFed, and grabbing customers more skillfuly than the dancing girls. I'm sure you'd still have recognized her. The weight gain is in the past year or so.
yeah. i am not a cheap charlie like some. if i get 2 girls to suck my dick, rub my cock against their pussy, and blow in their mouth, i leave a nice tip.it's easy to take two girls at [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s?
and get them to do raunchy stuff like at sol?
at sol, a second girl showed up just seconds after the first had started her bjob on me, and she was very welcome and skilled. much better than the [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) girls i tried.
but this never happened at [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s (have been three times only!.).
do you just pick two? or pick one and let her chose her accomplice? actually i usually find it difficult to pick a single cute one, but anyway.
i know everything is possible in los, but sometimes p4p girls like to stick to protocol (like the girls at rural karaokes won't even speak to farangs. ime)
FlyingVisitor
03-29-11, 13:09
[quote=crazykf; 1139071]it's easy to take two girls at [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s?
and get them to do raunchy stuff like at sol?
at sol, a second girl showed up just seconds after the first had started her bjob on me, and she was very welcome and skilled. much better than the [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) girls i tried.
b.
i only can repeat: go to sol and you will find the best of that category.
select one girl only. the second one will follow spontaneously when you are blown by number 1.
number 2 then will stand over you and offer her pussy to lick it.
this is the moment when girl number 1 gets up from the floor and will sit on your lap to complete with full service (of course uncovered if you don't like to disturb your feelings by any interruption).
enjoy.
fv
NicFrenchy
03-29-11, 17:01
This is the moment when girl number 1 gets up from the floor and will sit on your lap to complete with full service (of course uncovered if you don't like to disturb your feelings by any interruption).Have you tried every SOL Girl? How many times have you been to SOL?
You are making a very dangerous assumption here about a popular place (SOL) regularily offering uncovered Full Service.
I have been to SOL a whole lot of times and 100% of the times, FS was Covered.
i thought [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) was overated, a bit like going to a london walkup.
going back to thailand in a few months i think for the first time in 5 years, looking forward to it. just considering whether to head to pattaya instead of bangkok where i normally go.
is soi cowboy still good? i prefered that to nana plaza, used to always drink in cowboy 2, i stupidily shacked up with the same girl every night. this time i'm going to spread the love.
longgun gave a good show when i was there too?
have you tried every sol girl? how many times have you been to sol?
you are making a very dangerous assumption here about a popular place (sol) regularily offering uncovered full service.
i have been to sol a whole lot of times and 100% of the times, fs was covered. i have ben to bkk 6 times. don't know about sol, but just about every place i have been to will bbfs.
kangeroo bar, [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s, wash. square bars. i have been offered bbfs in all these places. in kangeroo bar, the girl pulled her skirt up and climbed on within 30 secs. of us going behind the curtain.
also, many mp's will bbfs.
from my experience, i don't doubt the dude is telling the truth.
Jed Wordsmith
03-30-11, 05:16
. Started to chat with one, had a couple of drinks with her (lady drink of course) and it was really nice. When I wanted to go with her she said that this is impossible, cause she is not for take away, only for customers amusement in the bar. This happened to me at 2 different places.
Afterwards I asked in 3 other bars the mamasan in the begining, and yes, it was always the same. Girls in one uniform are not for take away, girls in another uniform are therefore. Unfortunately in my eyes the no-go-girls have been by far much more atractive. Yes, a number of bars in Cowboy (e. G. Tilac, Deja Vu) now have coyote dancers who only dance and don't go out with customers. And they are usually much better-looking (younger / classier) than the working-girls who will go with customers. These coyote girls aren't 'working girls'; just regular girls studying in college or working day jobs. I've often seen punters trying to get them to agree to barfine, but they don't. Apparently it's a rule. They're not supposed to compete with the 'working girls' who depend on barfines, etc. For a living.
But I see a couple of guys in Tilac who seem to know these coyote dancers *very* well. Not sure how they managed it. Asked one of they but they weren't saying!
But I see a couple of guys in Tilac who seem to know these coyote dancers *very* well. Not sure how they managed it. Asked one of they but they weren't saying!Some guys are just very attractive to Thai women. They, (the women), seem to have a second sense about this.
This has less to do about how a guy looks or how old he is, but about his demeanor, willingness to share (not only baht), and his overall sense of "sanuck."
These guys literally have women "wanting" to go with them! Amazing Thailand!
Yes, a number of bars in Cowboy (e. G. Tilac, Deja Vu) now have coyote dancers who only dance and don't go out with customers. And they are usually much better-looking (younger / classier) than the working-girls who will go with customers. !Deja Vu has had coyote dancers for a long time. They are MUCH hotter than the dogs you can barfine. As for Tilac, they introduced the coyotes a few months ago (at least that's when I first saw them). Fortunately there are hot girls all over Tilac, but man, some of those Coyotes are really hot.
But I see a couple of guys in Tilac who seem to know these coyote dancers *very* well. Not sure how they managed it. Asked one of they but they weren't saying!Some Coyotes might be willing to go with customers on the sly after work finished as long as not seen. Expect to be high priced.
I mean for sure the Coyote girls will be thinking "why should they earn less money per month than the lower class bar-girls?"
Some guys are just very attractive to Thai women. They, (the women) , seem to have a second sense about this.
This has less to do about how a guy looks or how old he is, but about his demeanor, willingness to share (not only baht) , and his overall sense of "sanuck."
These guys literally have women "wanting" to go with them! Amazing Thailand! Some guys, eh? I think being around for long stretches at a time has a good deal to do with getting into a relaxed enough mode for the ladies to feel safe around some guys and turn them into giks or whatever.
148720
Deja Vu has had coyote dancers for a long time. They are MUCH hotter than the dogs you can barfine. As for Tilac, they introduced the coyotes a few months ago (at least that's when I first saw them). Fortunately there are hot girls all over Tilac, but man, some of those Coyotes are really hot.Been at least a year for Tilac. Regardless, once a place introduces Coyotes I typically stay away. They realize that their BFs are not attractive enough to bring in the customers. Tilac is different in that they don't seem to show any skin there. Blech!
NicFrenchy
03-30-11, 15:11
Tilac is different in that they don't seem to show any skin there. Blech!I'd take a Tilac girl not showing over the horribly enhanced boobs of the upstairs Baccara girls. Or the nasty ass tatoos of the Dollhouse girls any day of the Week
But I see a couple of guys in Tilac who seem to know these coyote dancers *very* well. Not sure how they managed it. Asked one of they but they weren't saying!
According to Stickman, Tilac apparently has a crowd of regulars that are there every night. I'd imagine you'd get to know everyone very well.
I don't find their coyotes to be too attractive myself. Don't find any of their others girls to be lookers either, to be honest, but maybe I haven't been there early enough in the night. Whenever I've been it's a bunch of real nasty looking girls with major attitude problems.
I'd take a Tilac girl not showing over the horribly enhanced boobs of the upstairs Baccara girls. Or the nasty ass tatoos of the Dollhouse girls any day of the WeekAt least there you know what you are getting. At Tilac you won't find out about the nasty ass tattoo on her flabby tit until you get her home.
Some guys are just very attractive to Thai women. They, (the women) , seem to have a second sense about this.
This has less to do about how a guy looks or how old he is, but about his demeanor, willingness to share (not only baht) , and his overall sense of "sanuck."
These guys literally have women "wanting" to go with them! Amazing Thailand! Yes It's a cross I have to bare LOL.
Der Tourist
03-31-11, 00:52
I have read some reports about cheap freelancers here and there, which are mainly dedicated to the local crowd and girls won't speak English, etc. However, what about the usual touristy spots such as near Nana hotel? Is it worth looking for hot chicks there? I remember a friend of mine once got a fairly hot chick just next to the entrance of NEP on the Nana Hotel side and she even let him do her up the ass. Is it a good place to look for freelancers and are there any other nearby spots (I. E. Around Sukhumvit) to look for freelancers on the streets once I'll have enough of Soi Cowboy, Nep and massage places I am going to try?
I well understand that perhaps it would be better to stick to traditional 'reliable' places where I know what to expect and not look for adventures on the street. But I just thought it would be a good idea to try everything since I'll be spending at least one week in Sukhumvit. And picking a girl directly from the street DOES turn me on in a way (not sure if this a perversion though). :)
I have read some reports about cheap freelancers here and there, which are mainly dedicated to the local crowd and girls won't speak English, etc.Is there really no info on this topic in Der Forum? Walking from soi cowboy to the ramchit hotel after dark you can't spit without hitting a hooker.
Is it a good place to look for freelancers and are there any other nearby spots (I. E. Around Sukhumvit) to look for freelancers on the streets once I'll have enough of Soi Cowboy, Nep and massage places I am going to try?The Nana Hotel parking lot (NPL) has the best (quality / quantity) selection starting after dark on Thursday thru Saturday nights. Keep your LB radar on at all times though.
SunLover
I have read some reports about cheap freelancers here and there, which are mainly dedicated to the local crowd and girls won't speak English, etc. However, what about the usual touristy spots such as near Nana hotel? Is it worth looking for hot chicks there? I remember a friend of mine once got a fairly hot chick just next to the entrance of NEP on the Nana Hotel side and she even let him do her up the ass. Is it a good place to look for freelancers and are there any other nearby spots (I. E. Around Sukhumvit) to look for freelancers on the streets once I'll have enough of Soi Cowboy, Nep and massage places I am going to try?
I well understand that perhaps it would be better to stick to traditional 'reliable' places where I know what to expect and not look for adventures on the street. But I just thought it would be a good idea to try everything since I'll be spending at least one week in Sukhumvit. And picking a girl directly from the street DOES turn me on in a way (not sure if this a perversion though). . Between Sukhumvit Soi 3 and 5 there are many FL's on the sidewalk most of the day. Many more at night.
Your friend picked up a FL right in front of the Nana Hotel. There are many of them on the sidewalk, especially in the evening.
It seems like a lot of dudes bad mouth the quality, but I have found some pretty decent girls in both these locations.
I have never paid more than 1000 bht. for ST. That is for full GFE for at least 1 1/2 hrs.
Also, there several ST hotels in the area for 300 bht. Just ask the girl.
Also, there are many FL's at Biergarten and several other bars. Or, just walk up and down Sukhumvit and you will see them wondering around.
Pro Fesseur
03-31-11, 03:33
I have read some reports about cheap freelancers here and there, which are mainly dedicated to the local crowd and girls won't speak English, etc. However, what about the usual touristy spots such as near Nana hotel? Is it worth looking for hot chicks there?...Yes, some gems can be found at night for instance on the Nana Hotel parking lot, near Robinson department store (between Soi 19 and Soi 15) , in front of and inside Thermae (between Soi 13 and Soi 15) , etc. Thermae is very Japanese-oriented nowadays, but a non-Japanese can still score there anyway. Biergarten (or Beer Garden) on Soi 7 is a renowned pick-up joint for freelancers (even in daytime) , as well as Gulliver's Tavern on Soi 5. Most of the girls that you notice waiting and making eye-contact during nighttime in the street between Asoke BTS Station and Nana Entertainment Plaza are freelancers. Many of them are not very attractive, but some really are. Going rate: 1000 baht ST per provider (sometimes, it's even cheaper than that, especially if you find two or three friends who are willing to go to your room for a threesome or a foursome, for instance) , and 1500-2000 baht LT. Very often, anal is on the menu even at this reasonable price.
Der Tourist
03-31-11, 03:53
Between Sukhumvit Soi 3 and 5 there are many FL's on the sidewalk most of the day. Many more at night.
Your friend picked up a FL right in front of the Nana Hotel. There are many of them on the sidewalk, especially in the evening.
It seems like a lot of dudes bad mouth the quality, but I have found some pretty decent girls in both these locations.
I have never paid more than 1000 bht. For ST. That is for full GFE for at least 1 1/2 hrs.
Also, there several ST hotels in the area for 300 bht. Just ask the girl.
Also, there are many FL's at Biergarten and several other bars. Or, just walk up and down Sukhumvit and you will see them wondering around. Thanks for an advice, Luvpuss. I will pay some attention to looking at the sidewalk girls instead of just rushing to my destination. One thing which slightly (well, perhaps not so slightly in fact) annoys and embarrasses me is the picking process. I really like to have a very good look into what I'm taking and while in a go-go bar it's easy and discrete, on a street I may be akward and make me feel like an idiot. Or is it ok in such a place? I'm just not sure how best to act in such a situation because I know once I stop over to have a look they start "attacking" you and try to get the attention (including all fat and ugly ones).
Also, I wonder why those girls (and some of them ARE pretty and hot) would work on a street but not in a go-go or massage parlor? Before I used to think that some of them may be carrying some STDs which is the reason they may be unwelcome in such establishments. But I guess I might have been wrong. But still what is the reason for them to work on the street? Is it more profitable or efficient for them?
... Also, I wonder why those girls (and some of them ARE pretty and hot) would work on a street but not in a go-go or massage parlor? Before I used to think that some of them may be carrying some STDs which is the reason they may be unwelcome in such establishments. But I guess I might have been wrong. But still what is the reason for them to work on the street? Is it more profitable or efficient for them?
This has been discussed numerous times by several members, so, I will just quote Daddy07 from an earlier report in the "Pattaya Reports" thread:
... There are loads of reasons why many cute girls don't want to work at a bar. They don't want a job requiring their presense in one spot 8 hours a day 6 or 7 days a week, and be docked pay for not showing up.
They don't want to be docked pay just because they didn't meet their quota of lady drinks and bar fines for that month.
They might have another day job or go to school so they only want to "work" part time and when they feel like it.
They might have a baby to take care of so can only "work" sporadically.
They might need only enough money to pay the rent, so they "work" only when the rent is due...
... One thing which slightly (well, perhaps not so slightly in fact) annoys and embarrasses me is the picking process. I really like to have a very good look into what I'm taking and while in a go-go bar it's easy and discrete, on a street I may be akward and make me feel like an idiot. Or is it ok in such a place? I'm just not sure how best to act in such a situation because I know once I stop over to have a look they start "attacking" you and try to get the attention (including all fat and ugly ones)...
With street walkers, of course, you won't be allowed to "check the goods" as well as in a go-go bar, but usually, these SWs are not as "aggressive" (in the commercial sense) as the go-go girls often are. The SWs are often more relaxed and you can quietly and discreetly discuss many specifics (services provided, etc.) with them and they won't be too insistent to go with you if you decide to not taking them even after speaking a few minutes with them. Frankly, most freelancers are very gentle and accommodating and you should not worry too much, provided that you act with a minimum of common sense, of course.
Also, I wonder why those girls (and some of them ARE pretty and hot) would work on a street but not in a go-go or massage parlor? Before I used to think that some of them may be carrying some STDs which is the reason they may be unwelcome in such establishments. But I guess I might have been wrong. But still what is the reason for them to work on the street? Is it more profitable or efficient for them?The FLs who stand on the street tend to be a bit rough looking and trashy for my tastes. The ones working in the discos and places like Gulliver's, Biergarten, etc tend to be a step up.
LittleBigMan
03-31-11, 06:40
Some guys are just very attractive to Thai women. They, (the women) , seem to have a second sense about this.
This has less to do about how a guy looks or how old he is, but about his demeanor, willingness to share (not only baht) , and his overall sense of "sanuck."
These guys literally have women "wanting" to go with them! Amazing Thailand! I really like that Mini-Cooper!
Just last night I was coming from the ATM, getting some cash for a quickie on Soi 6, off Sukhumvit / Siam Country as I was exiting the lot a girl on a new Fino with her boyfriend on the back? Stopped right in front of me and she was screaming in Thai for the " Fucker to get the hell off her bike " like a Thai he jumped off never said a word and pull out his phone to most likely call for a ride " I smiled at the excitement and look at him? Now I'm no spring chicken and have no hair and have come to terms with reality and inside I was saying to myself this guy is ugly and stupid looking and the girl was young and hot as I smiled at her at the light on Pattaya Klang. Aside from her bad temper I also wonder what this kid did to her? Most likely two time her but the way he look he should have consider it a miracle that he could land a looker like her?
Der Tourist, one major reason is the flexibilty not to be on contract to the employer to show up for work. That is the life of a Freelancer.
LBM
Since the discussion has transitioned to freelancers, I'll give my 2 satang. I know people who only go with freelancers. For the price, they really can't be beat. But protect yourself. I would advise wearing a condom even for BBBJ. Most freelancers, in my experience, are just doing it part time to earn a bit of cash. Some are office workers, bank tellers, etc. During the daytime and just want some extra money to pad their low salary. A few probably have stds but as long as you always protect yourself you should be fine.
Outside the Nana hotel is the best place to find them, but honestly they are riddled all along lower Sukhumvit. Late in the evening I can usually bargain them down to 700 baht and then 300 baht for the short time room. It's a good deal for both parties because they can get in and out quite quickly. If you want to take them back to your hotel, then 1000 baht is the norm. Most are a bit rough, but I have found some absolute gems in the market. Compared to the go-gos where you're going to pay 2, 000 baht ST + 600 baht barfine + 300 baht for drinks + 300 baht for short time room, the freelancer market is a bargain.
I'd take a Tilac girl not showing over the horribly enhanced boobs of the upstairs Baccara girls. Or the nasty ass tatoos of the Dollhouse girls any day of the WeekWhile Boob jobs and tatoos are common at many venues, its emotive over-generalisation. Both these venues have more natural girls as well. Strangely some guys like big silicones, but I will still happily go to Baccara to pick an unenhanced girl with no tatoos, and doesn't smoke as well. Have been to Tilac a couple of times, but was bored quite quickly each time. Yet to see what is good about Tilac. Didn't spot an exciting girl, to my taste.
P.S. I prefer girls to wear as little as possible so I can see exactly what I am getting. No suprises!
Key Master
03-31-11, 08:35
Thanks for an advice, Luvpuss. I will pay some attention to looking at the sidewalk girls instead of just rushing to my destination. One thing which slightly (well, perhaps not so slightly in fact) annoys and embarrasses me is the picking process. I really like to have a very good look into what I'm taking and while in a go-go bar it's easy and discrete, on a street I may be akward and make me feel like an idiot. Or is it ok in such a place? I'm just not sure how best to act in such a situation because I know once I stop over to have a look they start "attacking" you and try to get the attention (including all fat and ugly ones).
Also, I wonder why those girls (and some of them ARE pretty and hot) would work on a street but not in a go-go or massage parlor? Before I used to think that some of them may be carrying some STDs which is the reason they may be unwelcome in such establishments. But I guess I might have been wrong. But still what is the reason for them to work on the street? Is it more profitable or efficient for them? How experienced are you in telling the difference between a woman and a man dressed as one or a woman formerly a man? It's pretty easy to be fooled, even experienced mongers have problems there. I get a little nervous when I see a hot looking woman acting fairly aggressively on the street. In front of Nana Plaza and the hotel and all along Sukhumvit, there is a lot of deception in regards to what you're looking at so try to learn about spotting such people. Not trying to scare you, but it's kind of hard to tell. I've been shocked by a long time monger friend of mine, who couldn't tell that was going on with a person in front of us. I didn't know at first myself but figured it out later as my spider senses started tingling.
In regards to picking up freelancers. I've kind of stayed away from the streets and seem to look more for them in discos and sometimes Gulliver and used to go to Beergarden. It's hard to hear and converse in the discos though. In regards to being able to see them in agogo bars, well yeah, you can see them and their bodies, but the lighting and other things are somewhat deceptive like makeup and supportive bras. What you might get after they change and get in natural light sometimes isn't as good as the fantasy under the florescent lighting in the bars.
How experienced are you in telling the difference between a woman and a man dressed as one or a woman formerly a man? It's pretty easy to be fooled, even experienced mongers have problems there. I get a little nervous when I see a hot looking woman acting fairly aggressively on the street. In front of Nana Plaza and the hotel and all along Sukhumvit, there is a lot of deception in regards to what you're looking at so try to learn about spotting such people. ................It never ceases to amaze me about all these people who are scared of picking up an LB. I never had a problem. When I am not sure, I Just ask. And they will tell you upfront. And if you are too shy to ask them, you deserve picking one up.
Der Tourist
03-31-11, 23:19
It never ceases to amaze me about all these people who are scared of picking up an LB. I never had a problem. When I am not sure, I Just ask. And they will tell you upfront. And if you are too shy to ask them, you deserve picking one up.I must admit I AM scared of ladyboys. I guess I won't be as paranoid as before but I always have that "what if she's a LB?" thought. Anyway there is a positive side to it. If it happens that I'll take one to a hotel, at least I'll have a funny story to tell to everyone. .
I really like to have a very good look on a street I may be akward and make me feel like an idiot. Or is it ok in such a place? I'm just not sure how best to act in such a situation because I know once I stop over to have a look they start "attacking" you and try to get the attention (including all fat and ugly ones).
? Just go and DO IT. After Thermae closes, tons of them are sitting out at the tables, having a drink or snack and relaxing. It doesn't get any more natural than just talking to a woman that interests you. If you're that afaid of getting "attacked" then nothing can help you.
Der Tourist
04-01-11, 00:54
Just go and DO IT. After Thermae closes, tons of them are sitting out at the tables, having a drink or snack and relaxing. It doesn't get any more natural than just talking to a woman that interests you. If you're that afaid of getting "attacked" then nothing can help you.I will have to overcome it. If I won't do it in Bangkok then I guess I am completely hopeless. .
Anyway, I was wondering what is the best time to go there? Nep and Cowboy start at 8-9 ish while 10pm is the peak before hot girls start "disappearing" with customers. What is the "opening" time for freelancers in front of Nana Hotel and what is the "peak" time? I am not a late person and would definitely want to find my girl before midnight so that I can go to bed on time and not sleep all day the next day.
I must admit I AM scared of ladyboys. I guess I won't be as paranoid as before but I always have that "what if she's a LB?" thought. Anyway there is a positive side to it. If it happens that I'll take one to a hotel, at least I'll have a funny story to tell to everyone. .Why are you scared?
Most of the ones I have met will usually tell you if they are LB. Ask them.
I have spoken with dozens of LB. They actually are some of the funniest / friendliest people I have met in Thailand. They are human beings. Just treat them as such and you should not have a problem.
Der Tourist
04-01-11, 01:38
Why are you scared?
Most of the ones I have met will usually tell you if they are LB. Ask them.
I have spoken with dozens of LB. They actually are some of the funniest / friendliest people I have met in Thailand. They are human beings. Just treat them as such and you should not have a problem. LOL, I don't mistreat LBs. Actually I even kissed one to a cheek once (and so he did to me) just for fun. I have absolutely no problem with them as they are just as much humans to me as anyone else. I am also a moral supporter of the LBGT movements and cannot stand homophobes and the likes. However when it comes to bed and having sex it is a whole different story. Just like I could not stand an idea of going to bed with another male, I could not stand an idea of doing the same with ladyboy. Just that, nothing more nothing less.
Anyway I will take the advice and will simply ask if I will have any doubts.
Anyway, I was wondering what is the best time to go there? Nep and Cowboy start at 8-9 ish while 10pm is the peak before hot girls start "disappearing" with customers. What is the "opening" time for freelancers in front of Nana Hotel and what is the "peak" time? I am not a late person and would definitely want to find my girl before midnight so that I can go to bed on time and not sleep all day the next day.I was there yesterday around 7pm and there were about 5 of them loitering around; 3 of them were definitely doable. I'd say 10-12 am is peak time, although you'll see freelancers out there all hours, sometimes after 3 am even.
It's not like it used to be. I remember at 2 am the bars would empty and Nana carpark and the sidewalks would be flooded with bargirls; you could pick up that go-go girl you had your eye on for 1, 000 baht with no barfine, but I believe those days are over.
BKK Dreaming
04-01-11, 03:00
It's not like it used to be. I remember at 2 am the bars would empty and Nana carpark and the sidewalks would be flooded with bargirls; you could pick up that go-go girl you had your eye on for 1, 000 baht with no barfine, but I believe those days are over.I wonder if it ever was like that, because the Go-Go owners are not going to like their girls to Freelance and cut them out of the BF, maybe they "might" go to Climax etc but not just across the street.
BK
After living here for 8 months, this is what has changed for me:
-Bargirls are only for sex. I'm a lot less inclined to give them my number or see them regularly than I was when I first got here. I don't even like to take them back to my condo anymore. It's not looked upon well by your neighbors.
-Gogos are now only an occasional pleasure. Once you know each one well enough that you know the best place to sit and where the bathroom is located, you feel less inclined to visit more than every week or two.
-Massage parlors are more functional when you just want to get laid. Less trouble, less attitude, nice and easy.
-There is a lot of free stuff to be had. Particularly if you are under 40 and reasonably personable. And sometimes it's very nice to not have to pay. Until you get a few girls with emotional issues, at which point you want to pay again.
-Finding a good girlfriend is not easy. Especially if you want one who already speaks decent English, she's obviously another (or many) farang's throwaway. Most will have major trust issues. Not that it was easy to find a good lady back home, but it's no easier here.
-I get anxious and homesick when I leave Thailand for more than a week, even if it's only to a nearby country. I don't get homesick for the west, but I do for Thailand. When I get back I feel much better.
-Having sex with thai girls is still wonderful. I don't expect this will change. Update at 15 months:
-I avoid dating Isaan girls. They're always a problem. All smiles and open legs at first, and then the demands come. I've never had a problem with non-Isaan girls.
-In regards to day-to-day convenience, having a thai girl live or travel with you is extremely helpful. But you have to make sure you're getting a fair deal. They'll run you dry if you let them.
-However, they'll let you fuck around a bit, as long as you're respectful and discreet. Thai girls are more inclined to let men act like men, as opposed to the West where women prefer eunuchs.
-I've only brought one bargirl back to my place in the past 6 months. I picked her up at her apartment and took her directly to my condo just to hang out for the night, and yet she still insisted on wearing high heels and slutty clothes so that anyone looking at her would know she's a bargirl in under 3 seconds. It's best to keep them away from where you live.
-Rarely get out to gogo bars now. Miss those days. But don't miss how much money I was blowing. Drink + Ladydrink + Barfine + ST / LT rate + tip, with a spoiled princess attitude thrown in? Fuck that. There are other options.
-Hanging out in Thai areas is more interesting to me. Trying thai sex joints is too. I can't deal with being around tourists. They act like *******es, spoil women for no reason and throw money around.
-Occasionally I want to sleep with a white girl. It's been a long time. They almost seem exotic. But I'm sure I would hate it if I did it.
-When I talk to people back home, I can't understand how their minds work anymore. They seem clueless, and obsessed with things that are completely inane. I don't understand why they don't leave their seemingly miserable lives and come here.
- It can be easy to have endless sex and not do much else with your time. I try to cut back on it. Coming from the west it's hard to say no, especially to the free stuff, but it's necessary as it can burn you out after a while.
-Still don't like to leave Thailand. This place has a weird hold on me.
... I avoid dating Isaan girls. They're always a problem. All smiles and open legs at first, and then the demands come. I've never had a problem with non-Isaan girls...
The problem is not from where (location) the girl comes from, but mostly from which social environment (class in the societal hierarchy). A middle-class Isaan girl would act very differently than a girl coming from a poor farmer family, for instance (as explained here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1031-Hatyai-Reports&p=1112624&viewfull=1#post1112624)). Many middle-class Isaan girls are quite decent companions.
The problem is not from where (location) the girl comes from, but mostly from which social environment (class in the societal hierarchy). A middle-class Isaan girl would act very differently than a girl coming from a poor farmer family, for instance (as explained.
here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1031-Hatyai-Reports&p=1112624&viewfull=1#post1112624)
). Many middle-class Isaan girls are quite decent companions. Yes agreed. But given that Isaan is the poorest area of the country other than the hill tribes of the north, the majority of Isaan girls aren't from middle class families. They're from poor families and have parents who constantly demand money and want them to find a dumb rich farang. Dating them is thus unpleasant.
Avoiding them is just a shortcut. If I met one who was obviously well-raised and had a decent job, I would date her.
When I talk to people back home, I can't understand how their minds work anymore. They seem clueless, and obsessed with things that are completely inane.
- It can be easy to have endless sex and not do much else with your time. I had to laugh. :)
I wonder if it ever was like that, because the Go-Go owners are not going to like their girls to Freelance and cut them out of the BF, maybe they "might" go to Climax etc but not just across the street.
BKYes It was like that. Couple of years ago when all the bars closed at 1am, you could wait outside by the Nana parking lot and there were loads of bargirls loitering waiting for one last customer, the bars owners have no say, as the BiB shut all the bars.
I had to laugh. :)Same here. Ahaha. Though I also see Evianist's point.
Kogal_Lover
04-02-11, 01:39
Yes It was like that. Couple of years ago when all the bars closed at 1am, you could wait outside by the Nana parking lot and there were loads of bargirls loitering waiting for one last customer, the bars owners have no say, as the BiB shut all the bars.What happens now when the bars close? The girls don't head out to the parking out lot anymore?
El Frances
04-02-11, 16:26
Yes, some gems can be found at night for instance on the Nana Hotel parking lot, near Robinson department store (between Soi 19 and Soi 15) , in front of and inside Thermae (between Soi 13 and Soi 15) , etc. Thermae is very Japanese-oriented nowadays, but a non-Japanese can still score there anyway. Biergarten (or Beer Garden) on Soi 7 is a renowned pick-up joint for freelancers (even in daytime) , as well as Gulliver's Tavern on Soi 5. Most of the girls that you notice waiting and making eye-contact during nighttime in the street between Asoke BTS Station and Nana Entertainment Plaza are freelancers. Many of them are not very attractive, but some really are. Going rate: 1000 baht ST per provider (sometimes, it's even cheaper than that, especially if you find two or three friends who are willing to go to your room for a threesome or a foursome, for instance) , and 1500-2000 baht LT. Very often, anal is on the menu even at this reasonable price.I would not be too optimistic about quality, and I get the feeling it's been declining over the years. There are a few gems but you need to be lucky. Sometimes there are a few at Nana parking lot (be careful, the most beautiful ones are ladyboys). I had a few great picks in Beer Garden some time ago but during the last two years I found nothing worth there (and rather old). Thermae has very pretty girls but the real pretty only go with Japanese and will not even look at you if you are farang. You can score there as a farang but only with the less pretty girls (who will probably expect a high price because it's Thermae). In discos and disco pubs, it's fun, but difficult to find a girl who is under 28 and has no child.
So it depends how picky you are. For 1000 ST no barfine no lady drink it's a good deal. And as mentioned the girls are usually very friendly. Personnaly, when I have enough money, I tend to use more expensive but higher quality options.
I would not be too optimistic about quality, and I get the feeling it's been declining over the years. There are a few gems but you need to be lucky. Sometimes there are a few at Nana parking lot (be careful, the most beautiful ones are ladyboys). I had a few great picks in Beer Garden some time ago but during the last two years I found nothing worth there (and rather old). Thermae has very pretty girls but the real pretty only go with Japanese and will not even look at you if you are farang. You can score there as a farang but only with the less pretty girls (who will probably expect a high price because it's Thermae). In discos and disco pubs, it's fun, but difficult to find a girl who is under 28 and has no child.
So it depends how picky you are. For 1000 ST no barfine no lady drink it's a good deal. And as mentioned the girls are usually very friendly. Personnaly, when I have enough money, I tend to use more expensive but higher quality options. Judging by the pics posted, I would say there are many pretty girls at all the venues. .
Judging by the pics posted, I would say there are many pretty girls at all the venues. .Your smiley wink went missing due to the automated forum softwhere to fix punctuation (or fuck it up).
The double dot at the end of your post shows you tried to put a smilie and was overridden.
You can however, edit your report after and put the wink back in like this: ;)
I was in Baccara and noticed the waitress speaking to 2 asian guys behind me in Thai. They answered in flawless Thai with no apparent accent as though they were born to it. Normally I can detect Thai with an accent spoken by Koreans and Japanese ("mai chat"). These two were just so perfect they really seemed like Thai although not particularly dark skinned.
There eyes were not real slanty like Chinese / Japanese. My Baccara girl later confirmed that they don't have Thai customers, so I suppose they could have been Korean or similar but rasied here since quite young. I was itching to ask them but thought I better mind my own business just a little. They had called over one of the not so pretty upstairs girls, so this struck me as not so Thai behaviour. I suppose its more likely they were from somewhere else but just spent many years here.
Of course my downstairs girl was way better, with looks a little like Katreeya English (I don't now how to spell that TV star name).
Judging by the pics posted, I would say there are many pretty girls at all the venues. .
I just had a quick look at some pictures that you posted in the photo gallery, Duniawala.
For instance, those:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3252
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5831
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3246
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3243
I don't want to offend you, mate, but you may very easily find girls that are much prettier (IMHO) than these women in all those venues mentioned earlier by Pro Fesseur. But it's just a matter of personal taste, I suppose.
For instance, those:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3252
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5831
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3246
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3243
Jesus. Just...why?
What happens now when the bars close? The girls don't head out to the parking out lot anymore?Most of the Nana Plaza go-go bars close around 2 AM.
Several years ago, real girls use to hang outside of Nana Plaza after closing (some were freelancers, some were there after work from Nana). It was a neat scene. But now the street outside of Nana Plaza is full of ladyboys before and after closing. Not too many real girls hang around there; it is mostly ladyboys.
If you are not bi-sexual or gay, the ladyboys ruined the scene outside of Nana Plaza.
After closing between 2AM to 3AM, there seems to be a steady stream of girls walking out of Nana Plaza to Sukhumvit (probably to go eat or go home). You probably can pick them up at that time / location.
What happens now when the bars close? The girls don't head out to the parking out lot anymore?They are still around.
Some hang out "in" the carpark, as opposed to in front of the carpark (and Nana) and as mentioned, you will need to fight your way through LB's.
Some go into Nana Liquid, or up to Climax and Insomnia.
Others eat along the many stalls on Suk between Soi 3. 15.
LittleBigMan
04-03-11, 03:03
I was in Baccara and noticed the waitress speaking to 2 asian guys behind me in Thai. They answered in flawless Thai with no apparent accent as though they were born to it. Normally I can detect Thai with an accent spoken by Koreans and Japanese ("mai chat"). These two were just so perfect they really seemed like Thai although not particularly dark skinned.
There eyes were not real slanty like Chinese / Japanese. My Baccara girl later confirmed that they don't have Thai customers, so I suppose they could have been Korean or similar but rasied here since quite young. I was itching to ask them but thought I better mind my own business just a little. They had called over one of the not so pretty upstairs girls, so this struck me as not so Thai behaviour. I suppose its more likely they were from somewhere else but just spent many years here.
Of course my downstairs girl was way better, with looks a little like Katreeya English (I don't now how to spell that TV star name). Sorry Can't help myself?
IT was probably a good idea that you didn't scratch that itch and mind your own business just a little since you might have slipped and ask them " Hey you speak great Thai are you Korean since your eyes aren't slanty like a Chinese or Japanese " Plus I don't think a particular person or race has a patent on picking not too pretty looking women.
Stay open and focus on the pussy and don't sterotype or generalise so much.
Enjoy yourself? LBM
JohnnieBravo
04-03-11, 04:20
Hello, Fellow Punters:
I have asked this question on the Pattaya board and did not get an answer so I thought I might try here. I was wondering if any of our more seasoned campaigners have heard of or know where one might find a mother / daughter team. Of appropriate age of course say the daughter is 20 something and the mother is 40 something? This has been something of a fantasy of mine and was interested in trying this the next time I am in the LOS.
Thanks,
JohnnieBravo
Here is a thread about "gang bang parties" organized by clubs in Germany; 10-15 guys can have an all-you-can-fuck session for a few hours with 5 or 6 girls : http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3195-Gangbang-Clubs
Is this kind of fun available in BKK (other than negotiating and arranging everything by yourself with friends, that is)?
Sorry Can't help myself?
IT was probably a good idea that you didn't scratch that itch and mind your own business just a little since you might have slipped and ask them " Hey you speak great Thai are you Korean since your eyes aren't slanty like a Chinese or Japanese " Plus I don't think a particular person or race has a patent on picking not too pretty looking women.
Stay open and focus on the pussy and don't sterotype or generalise so much.
Enjoy yourself? LBMAmusing. Sorry for my poor ability to describe appearance of different Asians. I have nothing against any of them having a good time a Baccara. It was merely my surprise at seeing what appeared to be Thai customers. BTW I prefer Asian girls, Thai or Japanese, less so Chinese, depending on face shape.
Here is a thread about "gang bang parties" organized by clubs in Germany; 10-15 guys can have an all-you-can-fuck session for a few hours with 5 or 6 girls :
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3195-Gangbang-Clubs
Is this kind of fun available in BKK (other than negotiating and arranging everything by yourself with friends, that is)? I've been to these German parties myself, and no afaik you won't find anything like this In BKK, the BiB just wouldn't allow clubs like this to operate.
Hello, Fellow Punters:
I have asked this question on the Pattaya board and did not get an answer so I thought I might try here. I was wondering if any of our more seasoned campaigners have heard of or know where one might find a mother / daughter team. Of appropriate age of course say the daughter is 20 something and the mother is 40 something? This has been something of a fantasy of mine and was interested in trying this the next time I am in the LOS.
Thanks,
JohnnieBravoLook for it with ernest and conviction in Pattaya, and you will find it.
I know it exists on Soi 6. Just ask the girls. They've heard everything.
I've been to these German parties myself, and no afaik you won't find anything like this In BKK, the BiB just wouldn't allow clubs like this to operate.Chill Out,
In Thailand, you arrange your own parties. I have partied with 3 girls without any other guys needed, but I have certainly heard of groups of mates organising bigger parties than this. Probably you may find that Thai girls don't have quite the stamina of East European girls working in Party-Treff that can do marathon fucking. That's why in the Thai parties you should have more girls than guys, ideally. Pick up a group of girls from Suzi-Wong in Soi Cowboy that do the lesbian shows or similar sexy shows.
I assume that part of your thrill is to watch others fucking and be watched. You might try the "Star of Light" bar in Patpong 2 where fucking in the public bar area (not in private) is quite possible, however extended time fucking is difficult unless you keep paying more money.
Pro Fesseur
04-03-11, 11:11
I would not be too optimistic about quality, and I get the feeling it's been declining over the years. There are a few gems but you need to be lucky. Sometimes there are a few at Nana parking lot (be careful, the most beautiful ones are ladyboys). I had a few great picks in Beer Garden some time ago but during the last two years I found nothing worth there (and rather old). Thermae has very pretty girls but the real pretty only go with Japanese and will not even look at you if you are farang. You can score there as a farang but only with the less pretty girls (who will probably expect a high price because it's Thermae). In discos and disco pubs, it's fun, but difficult to find a girl who is under 28 and has no child.
So it depends how picky you are. For 1000 ST no barfine no lady drink it's a good deal. And as mentioned the girls are usually very friendly. Personnaly, when I have enough money, I tend to use more expensive but higher quality options.I agree with most of what you wrote, El Frances. I never said that those gems were numerous nowadays, but they do exist. One has to be patient, maybe a bit lucky too, and it's worth visiting certain places several times and at different hours.
For instance, I visited the Biergarten a few months ago at 1pm. At that time of the day, only 8 or 9 girls were available there, most of them in their late twenties, early or mid-thirties and not very attractive. But among them, I found a rather cute 23-year-old (IMHO, her body deserves an 8. 5 out of 10 and her face a 7. 5 out of 10) , who agreed to spend some quality time with me at a ST hotel nearby for 1000 baht (+300 baht for the room) , and she was a rather decent performer (although, no anal sex with her). I found a 25-year-old 3-holer (for 1000 baht ST) later that day near Robinson (not a stunner, but a good 7/10 for her looks and 9/10 for her performance). Another day, I've been lucky too in front of Thermae and ended up with a very pretty 21-year-old girl for only 1200 baht ST (after a short haggling) including anal! I must say that her skin was a bit darker than what Asians usually prefer (so, that might explain my good luck?) , but she was a solid 8. 5/10 (at least, in my eyes).
Pro Fesseur
04-03-11, 11:30
Judging by the pics posted, I would say there are many pretty girls at all the venues. .I said in my previous report that many of them are not very attractive, but some really are. During nighttime, if you are not lazy to walk a bit on Sukhumvit road and visit the above mentioned establishments, you will see many freelancers in a rather short time. Even if a rather high percentage of them are unattractive, you should eventually find at least one girl that is really pretty (and willing to go with you for a reasonable fee), usually in less than one hour (much more quickly if your standards are lower than mine).
In Thailand, you arrange your own parties.I assumed so. Not living here permanently, I don't have enough friends at this point in the LOS to do it though. Maybe in the future.
You might try the "Star of Light" bar in Patpong 2I'll probably try SOL just for the hell of it since it's an institution in BKK; but with what I hear about how the girls look there, I doubt I'll be into it very much.
LittleBigMan
04-03-11, 15:50
Amusing. Sorry for my poor ability to describe appearance of different Asians. I have nothing against any of them having a good time a Baccara. It was merely my surprise at seeing what appeared to be Thai customers. BTW I prefer Asian girls, Thai or Japanese, less so Chinese, depending on face shape.Good answer! I know we all look the same? I feel the same way about white folks I remember them by how big and fat they are?
Just last week at Baccara (Pattaya), one of the girls that ask you to buy ping pongs have ask me many times and most likely remember me since each request I politely say in Thai no thanks. This time she continue the conversation in Thai and ask me if I was Thai? Most likely because she was thinking I was cheap never buying any. I responded in Thai that I wasn't and that I was from the USA and Chinese American. She smiled and walked away I was thinking now I'm a C.C.?
LBM
I checked out Billboard, the new place in Nana where Carousel used to be.
It's the same design inside, except they installed a jacuzzi next to the back stage.
The owner is the guy who runs Angel Witch.
The girls were unattractive. I might have seen one or two who were possibly OK. Definitely the worst looking group of girls in Nana.
Nana was pretty quiet tonight. Looks like the high season is definitely over. Good riddance.
I just had a quick look at some pictures that you posted in the photo gallery, Duniawala.
For instance, those:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3252
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5831
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3246
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3243
I don't want to offend you, mate, but you may very easily find girls that are much prettier (IMHO) than these women in all those venues mentioned earlier by Pro Fesseur. But it's just a matter of personal taste, I suppose. Hey, no offense taken. Everyone is pretty when looking through with beer goggles (or in my case, whiskey goggles). But you got to admit, mine are in the ok category compared with what I see lately. Thanks for searching out the posts. They were quite a few years ago and brings back memories. :)
... But you got to admit, mine are in the ok category compared with what I see lately...
Well, considering that nowadays, I prefer young (18-25 years old) slim girls with a fair skin, no stretch marks, no fake tits, no nose job, preferably no tattoos, no colored contact lenses, who have not dyed their hair and who don't dress like sluts, you might have already guessed that I very seldom find in the photo gallery girls that I would deem as attractive. But each to his own!
Llantarnam
04-03-11, 20:15
Think you have just described my ideal shag.
I'm in town in 3 weeks time. If you find her, don't forget to pass on the details
mine are in the ok categoryI don't mean to attack you bro, but no. If you are into these chicks, more power to you. Everyone has his own fetishes and desires. But don't delude yourself that they are in the ok or mid-range category. They aren't.
NicFrenchy
04-04-11, 02:22
But don't delude yourself that they are in the ok or mid-range category. They aren't.Why try to apply your taste in girls to others? I know this is your personal opinion but is it enough to make it the benchmark of the Forum? I think we need to respect the fact that people here like different things, wether it be height, weight, skin color, nose, boobs.
While I also would not have chosen Duniawala's girls out of a lineup, I think it is very positive that we don't all go for the same girls. I don't even want to imagine 100 people in a bar all wanting the same girl. That would be a challenge LOL
I don't mean to attack you bro, but no. If you are into these chicks, more power to you. Everyone has his own fetishes and desires. But don't delude yourself that they are in the ok or mid-range category. They aren't.What would you rather have a very pretty "starfish," or a modest looking woman who fucks your brains out?
In Thailand, often the best sex is with women who are not necessarily the youngest, or best looking. Sure,"eye candy" looks good, but often it cannot, or will not, perform. Some of my personal best experiences have been with older, average looking women; however, I've also had a lot of hot, sweet, young ones. Variety is nice. :)
Percentage wise, though, I think the older ladies do out perform the younger ones. Especially at some of the neighborhood massage shops in Bangkok. For lookers, though, there's plenty of young nymphos at the soapies, oilies, etc. There's not too many older ones in the go-go bars, (thankfully).
In the end, in terms of just looking at, and commenting about a photo, to each their own. If you are lucky enough to be here visiting Thailand, and the opportunity is literally in your lap and you are horny, I think most will take it.
Many of my best experiences have been with the 18-19 year olds who have only been working 2-3 weeks, don't speak much english and look over at the mamasan every few minutes for a prompt on what they should do next.
Often they're shy and don't give a blowjob and don't cum, but if you guide them they get very horny and the sex is very real. 6 months later and they'll be a polished professional and the magic is gone.
Many of my best experiences have been with the 18-19 year olds who have only been working 2-3 weeks, don't speak much english and look over at the mamasan every few minutes for a prompt on what they should do next. Often they're shy and don't give a blowjob and don't cum, but if you guide them they get very horny and the sex is very real. 6 months later and they'll be a polished professional and the magic is gone.How old are you? For some men, especially if they are over 40, women this young are, well, just too young. I have P4P girlfriends who refer to some of their customers as "grandfather."
Lust works both ways. Some guys speak of "pops" like they were downing cans of beer. For me, at least part of the time, it is more enjoyable to experience a woman's orgasm that to have one of my own. But, after thousands of "pops," maybe that is something that some older men enjoy more than younger ones? I don't remember as it's been a long time since I was young. ;)
How old are you? For some men, especially if they are over 40, women this young are, well, just too young. I have P4P girlfriends who refer to some of their customers as "grandfather."
Lust works both ways. Some guys speak of "pops" like they were downing cans of beer. For me, at least part of the time, it is more enjoyable to experience a woman's orgasm that to have one of my own. But, after thousands of "pops," maybe that is something that some older men enjoy more than younger ones? I don't remember as it's been a long time since I was young. ;)
I'm soon to be 30, so 18-19 year old girls still don't seem like daughters or granddaughters to me. I agree with you on older women though. I've had some wonderful nights with women in their 40s, even when I was in my mid 20s. However, I can't really justify doing P4P with a woman who's a decade older than me. I feel like they should pay me.
In regards to orgasms, yes it's great to give them too. Many young girls often just don't know how to cum yet unless you give them oral, and I'm not putting my tongue in a bargirl's business center. But they're great for GFE. Older women often cum like crazy.
I almost didn't post last time because I don't like to cause trouble. But I also don't like to see people being deluded, or to see inaccurate information in general.
First, I just think it helps to be realistic. For instance I tend to go for the hottest girls I can find, usually that means that :
* she knows her value.
* taking the price down by a lot isn't likely.
* you have to take her relatively quick before someone else does (happened to me yesterday again)
* better go early, before they are all taken.
* etc
So by knowing where your picks are on the food chain (ie being realistic) , you can take decisions and act accordingly. The opposite is also true. If you go for other kinds of girls, you could be acting differently, for example you could 'walk away' more often, use more leverage to pay less, show up late when they are worried about not finding a client, etc. Being realistic is helpful.
Second, I don't think it's fair, for forum readers who have never been to BKK and wonder if they should come, to describe these girls as "OK compared to a lot of others you see these days". It's not an accurate description of the market IMHO. A great majority of the girls available are cuter, pretty much in any venue, even in MPs that sell skills not looks.
Third, Nic, didn't I see you describe a girl as "horrendous" recently in the Photo thread? ;)
Just my 2 cents, no offense meant to anyone.
... I'm not putting my tongue in a bargirl's business center...Why not?
You put your dick there.
Mealticket
04-04-11, 09:21
[QUOTE=Evianist; 1141313]In regards to orgasms. It's great to give them.
[QUOTE]you mean (to tell me) females can cum also?
Who knew?
NicFrenchy
04-04-11, 09:27
Third, Nic, didn't I see you describe a girl as "horrendous" recently in the Photo thread? ;)Yes, I said that LOL, but it was my opinion only.
You did not offend me, no worries, sometimes I just like to stir the pot a little.
Why not?
You put your dick there.
Covered in latex.
I'll do oral on a bargirl when they invent tongue condoms.
New Old Guy
04-04-11, 12:06
Tongue condoms? You meant that:
http://std.about.com/od/prevention/ht/dentaldamhowto.htm
In the USA, some girls and SWs insist that you use one for DATY.
In my opinion, it is pitiful and degrading for someone to use one.
NicFrenchy
04-04-11, 12:10
Covered in latex.
I'll do oral on a bargirl when they invent tongue condoms. How about that?
How about that?Looks OK as long as it's triple layered. Maybe some aluminum foil too.
wild country is an interesting place. there are only one or two younger girls in there. the rest of the women are older-30 years plus. it is very old inside no doubt and only has about six bar stools and four booths. most of the women sit at the last booth furthest from the front door. when you walk in if they don't know you they will descend on you like sharks. they want you to buy them drinks which i think are 80 baht a piece. they only get 20 baht of it. once you have bought them a drink they will calm down a little it. yes they will give you a bj in the booth or in a back storeroom. i've gotten enough bj's there while sitting on a case of heinekin! the bj's are 500 baht plus whatever you are drinking. no way i would do a bj there without a condom as the women do not clean up before or afterwards like sol or [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900). but the ladies there are nice people. there is a bar next door where the ladies do the same things. most of the guys that go there are regulars and older-like 50 years plus. its a place to go once and thats it. but again after you buy the ladies one round of drinks they are nice and its just someplace to chill out.
please allow three questions:
1) what time of the day was it?
2) would hou have the chance to get an uncovered full service after several minutes of bbbj?
3) do you recommend to visit that place if you want to do "naughty" things?
thanks for response.
fv
Hi all,
I am old senior member, now having lost the senior level status, earlier I used to log on as Boy Toy, but have forgotten my password and I am unable to log on as BT anymore (any ideas as to how it can be done, I don't remember the e.mail I'd I used earlier when I created the user).
Anyways would like to share something I was ashamed to share since last year but having gone thru the experience would like to warn others, last year in April I was in suzie wong in Soi Cowboy, when I caught the fancy of a Bar girl, apparently it was the other way round one BG threw herself over me and stared to do every possible thing in the bar itself, bar fined her, she insisted we go to bar opposite of suzie wong, apparently owned by a farang where BJ's and HJ's are provided in the bar only, I am forgetting the name but I am sure all the experienced mongers will be able to recall which bar this was, anyway she was all over me again, according to her she found me to be very attractive, we were all over each other even in the bar, another man approached me and told me the girl was too hot, later he asked me if I was ok for a threesome, to which I quickly declined, we walked out of the bar and I headed to my hotel.
The action started as soon as we reached the room, now came the tricky part, she wanted the intercourse to be without protection, I insisted to wear a condom, after about 15 min, things were not going the way she wanted, she took the condom off my thing, put it in her without it, I was a no. Of drinks down and gave in, did it without any protection, came on her tits and not inside, to which she was surprised, somehow after this immediately I was not drunk anymore, the guilt conscious on me started to kill me inside.
I sent her back home, and started to do some research on the net, later found some preventive methods, went to Bumrungrad hospital the next day was prescribed PEP by a well english speaking doctor who was most understanding.
But the side effects killed me, the next few days were full of dizzy nights and strong headaches, some times they were unbearable, and the guilt conscious kept killing me inside, was in BKK for another 4 days, but all got ruined all my nights were full of headaches or dizziness, had no idea on what to do, could not consume alcohol. My once a year escapade into the land of smiles turned into a trip of frowns, reached back home, the PEP medication was to be followed for another 10 days, which I had to be careful of not anyone getting to know.
Today almost an year as passed all I want to tell my fellow mongers is too never give in to any such silliness which I have committed a small bit of carelessness can lead to a big fuck up and can ruin everything. Just be aware and careful, don't do what I have done.
Take care.
I almost didn't post last time because I don't like to cause trouble. But I also don't like to see people being deluded, or to see inaccurate information in general.
First, I just think it helps to be realistic. For instance I tend to go for the hottest girls I can find, usually that means that :
* she knows her value.
* taking the price down by a lot isn't likely.
* you have to take her relatively quick before someone else does (happened to me yesterday again)
* better go early, before they are all taken.
* etc
So by knowing where your picks are on the food chain (ie being realistic) , you can take decisions and act accordingly. The opposite is also true. If you go for other kinds of girls, you could be acting differently, for example you could 'walk away' more often, use more leverage to pay less, show up late when they are worried about not finding a client, etc. Being realistic is helpful.
Second, I don't think it's fair, for forum readers who have never been to BKK and wonder if they should come, to describe these girls as "OK compared to a lot of others you see these days". It's not an accurate description of the market IMHO. A great majority of the girls available are cuter, pretty much in any venue, even in MPs that sell skills not looks.
Third, Nic, didn't I see you describe a girl as "horrendous" recently in the Photo thread? .
Just my 2 cents, no offense meant to anyone. It's one thing to give your opinion, I. E "I find this girl horrendous" and another to pretend lecturing somebody about how bad is his own taste. That's the difference between you and Nic.
Hope you learn this soon, and from now on avoid judging other's tastes, activities etc.
Just let us know your own views, opinions, evlauations, that will be fine and enough.
I assumed so. Not living here permanently, I don't have enough friends at this point in the LOS to do it though. Maybe in the future.
I'll probably try SOL just for the hell of it since it's an institution in BKK; but with what I hear about how the girls look there, I doubt I'll be into it very much. Chill out,
Its not important to have other guys really. Just get a few girls as I recommended. You can find a few well above average looks and good bodies in Suzi Wong.
SOL is not a place I go often, and yes the standard of girl looks is lower (last time I was there). Can't expect super hot girls to work in low class wayward places.
Good answer! I know we all look the same? I feel the same way about white folks I remember them by how big and fat they are?
LBMThais call me "Panda Bear" due to belly a bit big and blackish eye sockets. I am not offended at all.
I don't know the best way to say "taa yee" in English (perhaps "East Asian eyes" is better than my previous attempt).
I said in my previous report that many of them are not very attractive, but some really are. During nighttime, if you are not lazy to walk a bit on Sukhumvit road and visit the above mentioned establishments, you will see many freelancers in a rather short time. Even if a rather high percentage of them are unattractive, you should eventually find at least one girl that is really pretty (and willing to go with you for a reasonable fee), usually in less than one hour (much more quickly if your standards are lower than mine).You are right on. In my experience, the vast majority of freelancers are ordinary looking, but I have been shocked at meeting a stunning one on rare occasions. Even a pretty girl with normal job can be stuck for money and need to earn a bit extra on occasions.
In the old days, used to be able to find some pretty girls in Thermae doing a bit of casual money making. I was impressed that they would give many guys the big knock-back till they met a guy who was respectful and nice that had a reasonable appeal to them. Its not necessary for a pretty girl just to accept any old guy.
I almost didn't post last time because I don't like to cause trouble. But I also don't like to see people being deluded, or to see inaccurate information in general.
First, I just think it helps to be realistic. For instance I tend to go for the hottest girls I can find, usually that means that :
* she knows her value.
* taking the price down by a lot isn't likely.
* you have to take her relatively quick before someone else does (happened to me yesterday again)
* better go early, before they are all taken.
* etc
So by knowing where your picks are on the food chain (ie being realistic) , you can take decisions and act accordingly. The opposite is also true. If you go for other kinds of girls, you could be acting differently, for example you could 'walk away' more often, use more leverage to pay less, show up late when they are worried about not finding a client, etc. Being realistic is helpful. Yes I agree with most of this.
Second, I don't think it's fair, for forum readers who have never been to BKK and wonder if they should come, to describe these girls as "OK compared to a lot of others you see these days". It's not an accurate description of the market IMHO. A great majority of the girls available are cuter, pretty much in any venue, even in MPs that sell skills not looks.Its not very clear what you are saying here.
I believe that Thais in general have above average looks compared to other asian countries, however there are still many girls with plain faces working in most P4P venues. Generally really stunning girls will be taken out of the game quickly by someone who wants to support them (but not always). The percentage of really pretty girls is not that high. Maybe its just that I am picky. Fortunately my plain Jane is someone else's cutie (as Nic points out). Some guys find nearly all very young girls at Nana Plaza to be very cute, where as youth is not the same as beauty to me.
Looks OK as long as it's triple layered. Maybe some aluminum foil too.
So, here's a new recipe suggestion for my fellow ISG gastronomes: "Minou en papillote" (= pussy cooked in a foil parcel). Just like a chef would do with salmon (the other pink meat)! :D
... they would give many guys the big knock-back till they met a guy who was respectful and nice that had a reasonable appeal to them. Its not necessary for a pretty girl just to accept any old guy.
You too are right on here, Syzygies. The punter's attitude and manners matter much more than money for the prettiest ones. Those girls can earn enough money for their needs very easily, so, they usually favors mongers with whom they feel they may have a good time, (almost) regardless of how much they are going to be paid for their service.
It's one thing to give your opinion, I. E "I find this girl horrendous" and another to pretend lecturing somebody about how bad is his own taste. That's the difference between you and Nic.
Hope you learn this soon, and from now on avoid judging other's tastes, activities etc.
Just let us know your own views, opinions, evlauations, that will be fine and enough.
I have not gotten the impression that Chill Out was lecturing in his report Duniawala about how bad his taste is. Chill Out mostly gave his opinion about the average beauty of the providers available on the local P4P market. Duniawala's pictures are just a frame of reference here. By the way, earlier in this thread, Duniawala also gave (ironically) his opinion about the average beauty of the girls available in certain P4P venues, and this time, the frame of reference consisted in the pictures that were recently posted in the photo gallery. It's not much different, IMHO.
Think you have just described my ideal shag.
I'm in town in 3 weeks time. If you find her, don't forget to pass on the details
Girls of this kind are more frequently found in Thai-oriented venues. I'm based in Northeastern Thailand, but visit Bangkok on a regular basis. I will be there later this month (in a little bit more than two weeks) for a couple of days and will certainly post a field report if I find anything worth mentioning during my short stay in the capital city.
I have not gotten the impression that Chill Out was lecturing in his report Duniawala about how bad his taste is. Chill Out mostly gave his opinion about the average beauty of the providers available on the local P4P market. Duniawala's pictures are just a frame of reference here. By the way, earlier in this thread, Duniawala also gave (ironically) his opinion about the average beauty of the girls available in certain P4P venues, and this time, the frame of reference consisted in the pictures that were recently posted in the photo gallery. It's not much different, IMHO.. And, IMHO, I respectfully disgaree with your analysis. End of the story.
I almost didn't post last time because I don't like to cause trouble. But I also don't like to see people being deluded, or to see inaccurate information in general.
First, I just think it helps to be realistic. For instance I tend to go for the hottest girls I can find, usually that means that :
* she knows her value.
* taking the price down by a lot isn't likely.
* you have to take her relatively quick before someone else does (happened to me yesterday again)
* better go early, before they are all taken.
* etc
Just my 2 cents, no offense meant to anyone. Chill Out, you forgot the most important item in your list. The STARFISH factor (not shouting, just emphasizing).
In my experience of Thailand over the years, I have found that in a majority of of the "most hottest" looking girls rate low to average in the sex department. Yes, they are cool to take around, but at the end of the day the sex is what it all counts.
Chill Out, you forgot the most important item in your list. The STARFISH factor (not shouting, just emphasizing).
In my experience of Thailand over the years, I have found that in a majority of of the "most hottest" looking girls rate low to average in the sex department. Yes, they are cool to take around, but at the end of the day the sex is what it all counts. That Is true, but when you find a hot one who goes like a steam train makes It worth while, sometime I will go for performance over looks, but I don't fly 6, 000 miles to shag munters! :)
Mr Jetsetter
04-05-11, 02:57
How old are you? For some men, especially if they are over 40, women this young are, well, just too young. I have P4P girlfriends who refer to some of their customers as "grandfather."
Lust works both ways. Some guys speak of "pops" like they were downing cans of beer. For me, at least part of the time, it is more enjoyable to experience a woman's orgasm that to have one of my own. But, after thousands of "pops," maybe that is something that some older men enjoy more than younger ones? I don't remember as it's been a long time since I was young. . I am 55, and in no way do I consider barely legal P4P teens "too young!" And I don't care if they call me Grandfather!" And I'm contributing to their income! I treat them, and their older counterparts, with the utmost courtesy and respect. I do enjoy at least TRYING to get them off as well.
In my experience of Thailand over the years, I have found that in a majority of of the "most hottest" looking girls rate low to average in the sex department. Yes, they are cool to take around, but at the end of the day the sex is what it all counts.If an ordinary looking girl is also crap in bed, you forget her real fast, like in 2 seconds, but if a hot girl (in appearance) is totally crap in bed, then it frustrates the hell out of you. I still am haunted by one tall and pretty girl with a perfect dream body (even natural C cups) who wouldn't do BJ, no DATY, no kissing, scared of my dick, and rather starfish with tense legs. Shit, I struggled to maintain an erection under these circumstances. She wanted me to be her "friend" (I don't need any more platonic girls thankyou). I guess she was interested only in young spunks with a six-pack body. Who knows? Its so confusing when I am used to a full blown GFE. She works outside a Soi Cowboy bar, so see her regularly as I go past.
Fortunately I end up with these nightmare girls only rarely. There are usually plenty of tell tail signs before you actually take her away. Haven't had such a disaster girl for over 2 years now. Well, at least I have forgotten any other disasters that weren't so stunning. I am more careful now. Its still possible though, for a cunning girl to really con you into thinking she will be good.
There are usually plenty of tell tail signs ...Fruedian slip there, I mean "Freudian". That damned auto spelling corrector is just doing a shitty job.
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its not very clear what you are saying here.
i believe that thais in general have above average looks compared to other asian countries, however there are still many girls with plain faces working in most p4p venues. yes but we were not discussing just a 'plain faces' issue.... click on the pics we were talking about...
chill out, you forgot the most important item in your list. the starfish factor (..) a majority of of the "most hottest" looking girls rate low to average in the sex department. yes, they are cool to take around, but at the end of the day the sex is what it all counts.
i don't know. is sex all that counts? i guess for some people it is, but not for me. i was reading an old post the other day and the poster said it's the experience and enjoying a girl's body that counts (the look, the smell, the touch.) , not just getting off, which you could do with your hand. i quite agree with that. having a fun girl counts for me too.
i was in [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) yesterday. i hear the ladies there are very skilled with their bjs. but as soon as i took a look at the team i was out of there quicker than you can take a breath. i know she is skilled, but do i want a 45 years old, ugly plump lady who looks like a lord of the rings extra anywhere near my tool? nope. not even with my eyes closed. not even if i was paid to do it.
also, if hotties can disappoint in bed, it doesn't mean your average old plump ugly lady will do a better job. does it? i guess their attitude is better. but you can screen attitude before you buy. nobody should take a girl who has a bad attitude, even if she is very hot.
anyway, i'm glad you are not pissed off by my previous comments, duniawala! it's nice to see people who can hear some disagreeing feedback and not go postal. we are all just shooting the shit here and sharing views.
if an ordinary looking girl is also crap in bed, you forget her real fast, like in 2 seconds, but if a hot girl (in appearance) is totally crap in bed, then it frustrates the hell out of you.i disagree. both frustrating, in one case though you have someone hot to look at. obviously starfish experiences should be avoided no matter what. and super hot with good service is what we should aim for. i had one such experience at amsterdam, i will post about it later. it doesn't come cheap however.
NicFrenchy
04-05-11, 10:07
Hi all,
I am old senior member, now having lost the senior level status, How can one lose a senior level status?
How can one lose a senior level status?According to the FAQ you can lose it if you are too abusive or flagrantly break the rules. But in this guys case, it sounds like he just forgot his password and which e-mail account he registered with, so he can't log with his old username, which has senior level status.
According to the FAQ you can lose it if you are too abusive or flagrantly break the rules. But in this guys case, it sounds like he just forgot his password and which e-mail account he registered with, so he can't log with his old username, which has senior level status.
It seems also that he has owned two accounts here for several years!
- Citizen's join date: February 7, 2004
- Boy Toy's join date: February 23, 2004
Orange Crust
04-05-11, 19:43
Anyone have a similar experience of me of having develop a friendship with a gogo girl after taking her out a few times. After three barfines and LT arrangements I have actually told a girl that I'm no longer interested in bf her anymore. We than just shared some drinks on my visits onward. Seem to understand and really are helpful in introducing me to other girls. The only thing is that the other girls are off side in that I can't bf in front of my friend.
It seems also that he has owned two accounts here for several years!
- Citizen's join date: February 7, 2004.
- Boy Toy's join date: February 23, 2004Tanglin. You got that absolutely right.
Goyave. How did you get that info, even I was not aware that I have had both these accounts for all this while, any idea if I could know which e mail I'd I I used when I must have created the boy toy account, if I knew the e mail I'd I am sure I could retrieve the pass word.
Please help
The only thing is that the other girls are off side in that I can't bf in front of my friend.Why not? You would have a nice arrangement if you could. Does she imagine you won't bf anybody ever again? That would be kind of silly. You should get her to be more accepting, after all she is your friend, right?
Jed Wordsmith
04-06-11, 03:19
Why not? You would have a nice arrangement if you could. Does she imagine you won't bf anybody ever again? That would be kind of silly. You should get her to be more accepting, after all she is your friend, right?Agreed. If she's introducing you to her friends then there's no reason why you can't BF one of them. You could just tell her which one you like and ask her to arrange it. That usually works well because she'll make sure the other girl shows you a good time so you'll keep coming back.
Guys.
Just spent a week in Bangkok and wanted to say thanks for your reports.
They were a great help.
I will give a full report soon.
Jed Wordsmith
04-06-11, 03:41
I was in Baccara and noticed the waitress speaking to 2 asian guys behind me in Thai. They answered in flawless Thai with no apparent accent as though they were born to it. Normally I can detect Thai with an accent spoken by Koreans and Japanese ("mai chat"). These two were just so perfect they really seemed like Thai although not particularly dark skinned.
There eyes were not real slanty like Chinese / Japanese. My Baccara girl later confirmed that they don't have Thai customers, so I suppose they could have been Korean or similar but rasied here since quite young. I was itching to ask them but thought I better mind my own business. If this was a couple of weeks ago then I think I saw the same guys. They're Thai, and managed to get in without the bouncers realizing. They also speak English with pretty strong American accents, which is probably why they were let in (their English was way better than most Thais so the bouncers thought they were foreign).
You really have to write those reports quickly. I haven't written them up for the last few days and it's all becoming a blur of drinks and girls already. Thank God I'm taking some notes on my phone once in a while.
If They're Thai, and managed to get in without the bouncers realizing.Wait, are Thais actually forbidden to enter Baccara?
Wait, are Thais actually forbidden to enter Baccara?Makes sense. Imagine some jealous Thai bf attacking the customer his gf is grinding.
very good advice. the tip doesn't have to be much at all, just a few baht, but it is appreciated and they will look out for you.
tip the security guards and befriend them early in your stay. have him check the id's and let you know if they are lb or ****.
If this was a couple of weeks ago then I think I saw the same guys. They're Thai, and managed to get in without the bouncers realizing. They also speak English with pretty strong American accents, which is probably why they were let in (their English was way better than most Thais so the bouncers thought they were foreign).Thanks, that makes sense and something I didn't think of. Thais that have been raised overseas are not exactly full Thai in behaviour and so may be interested in Baccara girls just like us. Their appearance was consistent with westernised Thais, but didn't look like "luuk Khreung" (half Thai). I can assure that they spoke Thai perfectly with no apparent accent to my ear and I have been speaking Thai for nearly 20 years, including with persons who speak Thai "mai chat" (not clearly) , like "Thai Yai" from Myanmar and Koreans living here. However a Thai person may be able to pick up that they potentially speak Thai slightly unusually, if not really living in Thailand all the time.
I disagree. Both frustrating, in one case though you have someone hot to look at. Obviously starfish experiences should be avoided no matter what. And super hot with good service is what we should aim for. I had one such experience at Amsterdam, I will post about it later. It doesn't come cheap however.I would be real boring if we all agreed totally, no doubt.
"both frustrating". Well okay but for those of us that have been here for many years, its a waste of effort to be too concerned if a plain looking girl was crap in bed. I can just go out and find another replacement girl who will help me forget the first girl quickly (2 seconds was an exaggeration but honestly I have totally forgotten girls that I fucked only a short time ago if they were not memorable).
It can be a problem to me, having forgotten some crap girl, that if I went back to the same place, I could accidentally choose her a second time, then only remember her when her performance was equally bad as the first time. Very few girls really improve a lot. It happened to me once or twice that actually accidentally repeated with a really "un-sanook" girl. Embarrassing! :confused: Probably I should make short notes on every girl ever done, sorted by venue and date, so as not to make mistakes. I even have Thai girl phone numbers in my phone with a short name and I think "who the hell was that?" I forgot to specify where I met her and there are just too many with the same name. e.g. too many "Fon", "Noi", "Anne", "Nit", "Cherry", "Cat", "Aom", "Aor", etc.
Like you, I want to be with girls who look really special as well as having good skills.
damn, the blonde japanese girl with the big tits by the swimming pool this afternoon got me in the mood for a good blowjob. if you are her boyfriend, you are truly a lucky guy and i salute you. thankfully, i am in thailand and can get my urge taken care of without delay. field report of my visit to [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s will follow in a couple of hours.
Mr Enternational
04-06-11, 15:28
Wait, are Thais actually forbidden to enter Baccara?I think it has something to do with not wanting to rip their own people off, but preferring to rip off farang.
NicFrenchy
04-06-11, 15:53
Wait, are Thais actually forbidden to enter Baccara?Yes, Thais are Forbidden in these places. Not only does the place not want trouble with a Thai BF adn customers, but the girls also don't want any Relative seeing she is a working girl.
Most prostitutes don't tell their families back home what it is exactly they do for a living.
NicFrenchy
04-06-11, 15:56
I can assure that they spoke Thai perfectly with no apparent accent to my ear and I have been speaking Thai for nearly 20 years, including with persons who speak Thai "mai chat" (not clearly) , like "Thai Yai" from Myanmar and Koreans living here. However a Thai person may be able to pick up that they potentially speak Thai slightly unusually, if not really living in Thailand all the time.Some Cambodians speak Thai perfectly and can pass for Thais. When I went to Siem Reap, my Staff said that the Cambodian Staff spoke perfect Thai.
Does anyone know this girl? I met her in spicy a few times.
I have more if you are interested
Orange Crust
04-06-11, 19:18
Why not? You would have a nice arrangement if you could. Does she imagine you won't bf anybody ever again? That would be kind of silly. You should get her to be more accepting, after all she is your friend, right?It's really amazing how much fun you can have in the back corner of a bar when the girls are not dancing and just hanging out waiting for customers. These girls are often just fun and kind girls. The dynamic does change though, the other girls kinda see you as being off-side. It's almost saving face for your friend that you previously barfined if you're not a butterfly in front of of her but all the sudden you are accepted as being a good guy by all of the girls. I've been invited to "non-farrang" afterhour bars for some great times. Once I was one of only two white guys in a bar. Respect your hosts and be nice. Never had a problem yet and had some of the most memorable times ever clubbing as a non-mongerer with pro's on their night off.
I'm longing for my next visit to the LOS.
Yes, Thais are Forbidden in these places. Not only does the place not want trouble with a Thai BF adn customers, but the girls also don't want any Relative seeing she is a working girl.
Most prostitutes don't tell their families back home what it is exactly they do for a living. That Is true, as we know most thai men wouldn't be seen dead In a farang gogo bar, as they like the lighter skinned girls.
Juicyclamlover
04-07-11, 04:56
I've just had 3 nights in Bangkok staying at the Ibis in Soi 4 (Nana) which I managed to get on a promotion of 3 nights for the price of 2, for myself and a wingman on his first visit, so excellent value at 1090 THB all in per night IMO.
Having refreshed at the hotel following the drive down from ROI ET we had our first beers in the Morning Night so the newbie could watch it all roll on past the bar. It was 75 THB for local beer in the afternoon but compared with our local price of 50 THB for a large bottle, somewhat of an eye opener for the wingman. He was more stunned later when in some places they charges 135/145 for a small one. A few regular girls in the bar and also a few new ones, we thought there was a reasonable selection overall.
Moved onto the Beer Garden, a place I had not been into for about 2 years, having heard it had picked up a bit recently. We were pleasantly surprised as it was quite full and in the area by the band stage there were a few nice lookers.
The newbie was keen to get going and it wasn't long before he had one lined up for the hotel session later on at 1000 THB for the night. I passed as it was too early for me to tow one around showing the newbie the rest of the bars.
I ended the evening with a cracker from Mandarin and there were a few to choose from in an excellent line up. 2000 THB for LT and was a good performer in all departments but no A. I had 3 pops during her presence in the bedroom and was more than satisfied.
The following lunchtime I gave the grand tour to Soi Cowboy, the bars in Soi 33 and 22 including Washington Sq and the MP's in the same places adding on Soi 26 and 24. I had a 2 hour session in Dream Heaven with 2 pops from a lithe 20 year old. My preferences in Angel, EZ, Mango and Snow White having been unavailable, always good to have a plan E!
The evening was spent touring NEP, Mandarin was good again, R4 plenty to choose from, as always. DC10 was just about OK but the Angel Witch was dreadful in terms of line up and had a very negative atmosphere. Spanky's however was just the opposite and more than made up for the time spent in Angel Witch. There was a positive response from the girls who really seemed to be enjoying themselves with plenty of customer interaction.
The newbie picked a FL from Soi 4 but said the following day it was not a good experience and booted her out after 1 round and about 45 minutes, he said he coughed up the 1000 just so she would go quickly and with no fuss. I picked one out of Liquid who was more up to the task and she performed more than satisfactorily.
Sunday afternoon started again at the Morning Night before venturing again to the Beer Garden, the wingman wanted to see if the Friday night girl was in again.
She was and he took her and her friend back for a night long 3 some for 1500 THB each and had a big smile on his face when we left the Ibis at 10am the next day.
I also took a very attractive girl from the Beer Garden, she didn't come in until around 7. 30pm and said that she didn't do more than one customer a day and the evening was the best time for her. We went to Bangkok Beat for a couple on the way back to the hotel and we both enjoyed the band. She was very good company and knew exactly or instinctively how to behave and provide a GFE.
She was a top performer and I came once in mish, once in doggie and twice with her doing a BBBJ in which she swallowed the lot. By far the best experience was the last and I would like to repeat again on my next visit in about 6 weeks, all thing being equal.
It can be a problem to me, having forgotten some crap girl, that if I went back to the same place, I could accidentally choose her a second time, then only remember her when her performance was equally bad as the first time. .LOL. Now THAT must be frustrating!
. . . most thai men wouldn't be seen dead In a farang gogo bar, as they like the lighter skinned girls.The main reason you don't see many Thai men in farang go-gos is because they're not let in. The times I've managed to get Thai friends in with me, they've liked the girls just fine.
I've just finished a wonderful night with a pretty top-looking lady. Maybe a 9 with make-up on, an 8 in the morning without make-up IMO.
She came yesterday at 6 PM and stayed until 11AM today.
She gave me five (5) long and passionate sessions. It was such a GFE that I started to call her "girlfriend" as a joke.
I paid her the pre-agreed 4000; and a 1500 tip. I know, I know. Before you shout at me, keep in mind this girl works on the "model" floor of a high-class establishment where she charges 3500 for 90 minutes (one pop only). And this wasn't a 1AM to 6AM deal either.
This is far for my first such experience on this trip. The more experienced I get, the less I believe the "Yes but most hotties are starfish" stuff.
I did invest some efforts in making her feel comfortable, happy and excited (not money related; I didn't buy her anything and didn't even promise a tip ahead of time). You could say I made the GFE happen and you would be partly right. But nothing is stopping anyone from doing that with every hottie (dutifully pre-screened for attitude).
Bangkok Residents: do you know if gogos and MPs are closing for Songkran? If yes, what dates?
Bangkok Residents: do you know if gogos and MPs are closing for Songkran? If yes, what dates?EZ massage for sure will be closed but I forget which dates. Maybe 15-19? I remember seeing a similar sign out in front of Mango.
I ended the evening with a cracker from Mandarin and there were a few to choose from in an excellent line up. 2000 THB for LT and was a good performer in all departments but no A.Age, body type, and face?
Bangkok Residents: do you know if gogos and MPs are closing for Songkran? If yes, what dates?Tuesday to Friday? 12-15th?
That's less and less true. Nowadays it's not uncommon to see middle class Thais in some Gogos like RB4, the Arab Bars or Baccara, but they remain a tiny minority.
The main reason you don't see many Thai men in farang go-gos is because they're not let in. The times I've managed to get Thai friends in with me, they've liked the girls just fine.
The thai guys I know generally avoid cowboy because it is seen as a farang spot. They prices are high for what you get (mostly isaan girls). They know better place to go for the types of girls they like.
I'm thinking to stay during Songkran in any case, sounds like a lot of fun. Is it actually, or is it more boring-annoying than it looks? I've obviously never done it. The only think I know about it is the water throwing stuff. It sounds awesome.
TigerWoods
04-07-11, 14:15
I've just finished a wonderful night with a pretty top-looking lady. Maybe a 9 with make-up on, an 8 in the morning without make-up IMO.
She came yesterday at 6 PM and stayed until 11AM today.
She gave me five (5) long and passionate sessions. It was such a GFE that I started to call her "girlfriend" as a joke.
I paid her the pre-agreed 4000; and a 1500 tip. I know, I know. Before you shout at me, keep in mind this girl works on the "model" floor of a high-class establishment where she charges 3500 for 90 minutes (one pop only). And this wasn't a 1AM to 6AM deal either.
This is far for my first such experience on this trip. The more experienced I get, the less I believe the "Yes but most hotties are starfish" stuff.
I did invest some efforts in making her feel comfortable, happy and excited (not money related; I didn't buy her anything and didn't even promise a tip ahead of time). You could say I made the GFE happen and you would be partly right. But nothing is stopping anyone from doing that with every hottie (dutifully pre-screened for attitude).Hi, I will be in BKK from 19th-21st April. SOunds you were lucky. Any pic available respect. Mobile to get in touc with her? What was the service like? Thanks for the help
I'm thinking to stay during Songkran in any case, sounds like a lot of fun. Is it actually, or is it more boring-annoying than it looks? I've obviously never done it. The only think I know about it is the water throwing stuff. It sounds awesome.Yeah it's a lot of fun if you're not a tight-ass. Basically just a national water gun fight that goes on for several days.
The more experienced I get, the less I believe the "Yes but most hotties are starfish" stuff.I agree, sort of. Hotties for looks can be hot in bed too, if the mood takes them, they like you, you are not stingy, etc. However as they get guys so easily, they don't necessarily try extra hard to please, as they just don't need to. So you require the good chemistry to be working nearly 100% for the real hotties.
While poor performances from hotties are not unusual, it doesn't have to be the norm. I have had the odd hottie as a regular who were super for me but not always the same for every guy. I have had the gone wrong experiences too. Go very carefully with hotties!
Maybe not "most" georgous girls are bad in bed, but they certainly can be. There definitely is a higher probability in my experience.
Strikesfun
04-07-11, 15:19
Ok, this is a question for the pros that get action at the bar in places like jungle jims, toy, etc. How do you keep the momasons at bay in these place to get the dances cuter girls (stage girls). I have everything done right at the bar but general the girl is not one of the dancer and the number of drinks to the momason and girl add up fast. I am not trying to be cheap but then I want to get the most for my money.
Ok, this is a question for the pros that get action at the bar in places like jungle jims, toy, etc. How do you keep the momasons at bay in these place to get the dances cuter girls (stage girls). I have everything done right at the bar but general the girl is not one of the dancer and the number of drinks to the momason and girl add up fast. I am not trying to be cheap but then I want to get the most for my money.You are just too soft. You need to ignore girls that you have not called over and refuse to buy them a drink. Don't allow them to give you a shoulder massage either or in anyway interfere with you. When you like a girl, you can tell a waitress or whoever to call her over to you, making sure that the staff understand which girl. Then you will be expected to at least buy her a drink. Us regulars have to ignore plenty of girl advances any time we go into a bar where we are not well known.
Remember the golden rule. An annoying girl won't go away if she is able to get drinks out of you.
If you get bored with a girl, just call over a replacement girl when the other one is away dancing or whatever. This will often signal a loss of interest in the first girl. Some guys just sit by themselves and refuse to buy drinks for anyone.
These ideas work in most sensible bars. I have experienced bars where the staff are a continual hassle like Rainbow 3 (I think) at Nana a few years back. If telling them to go away doesn't work, in the end you might have to find a more layed back bar. I haven't been to Jungle Jim's or Toy recently so I am not sure of the pressure level in there, but clearly you want to play up with a girl (s) of your choice.
You can't let them fob off the ugly girls on you. If you have an "easy" reputation already, then you will just have to work on being in a really bad mood and therefore very changed temperament.
Thought I would check out a couple of bars with Coyotes. Went to Sahara about 10PM. The Coyotes were really not that special. A couple of the nude dancers (wearing just belts) were okay but I didn't like the expressions on their faces.
Left Sahara and in due course came to Midnite just when the show was on. Immediate strong attraction to show dancer, quite slim with only A cups, but very sensuously dancing indeed. Face was rather cute too. So called her over for a drink. The Coyote girls started dancing and only one or two were as pretty as my show dancer Anna. Anna told me that she had told a fib to some other guy that I wanted to barfine her (whereas he didn't) and that's why she was sitting with me. The truth is I really did want to barfine her.
She indicated that we could go to a room upstairs but we couldn't go to my Hotel, since she is specifically employed to do special shows. I was worried that this might mean she wanted to do just a 15 minute quickie. She had indicated she wanted 2K. As she had started to kiss me DFK and no smoker breath, I decided to trust her and go with my thought that the sexiest dancers are likely to be hot in bed too.
Room turned out to be a large bedroom (not expected) and aircon had kept it quite cold. She went for her shower and I went for mine after that. Returning she was no where to be seen. At least till she appeared out of crouching position behind the door, Boo! Okay so she was a playful one. She lay on the bed face down her exquisite tush raised slightly. I touched her bottom and arsehole very lightly with tongue only and she started to move with it. Turned over for some DATY. She didn't seem that keen to do BJ so I started with Mish position as not yet super hard. Still plenty of GFE style kissing. Did some doggy to take in that superb arse. Back to Mish and she thought I was closing in on an orgasm, so she said "I don wan you cum yet". Ha Ha! Little did she know I had gone 2 hours with Mango Cherry earlier with a scoreline of 2-2. She put pillow under her bottom to help me probe deeper. The she asked me to lie down so she could do a very extended cowgirl. By end of this my dick was starting to flag as I didn't have movement control. Changed position again. We rested for 10 minutes, after I had got real hot and sweaty, as she had earlier switched off the aircon while I showered. Some chatting and kissing, and then started up again. This time she decided to sit on my face and squirmed around real hard against my lips and flicking tongue for a good 20-30 minutes. I was starting to realise now that this girl was a sex maniac.
She then wanted to sit on my cock and have me sitting as well, but I had to return to Mish as not yet hard enough. Later some more positions and some hard pounding making me think she was doing herself damage. After a good 2 hours of marathon sex I finally reached an orgasm, where she had had several despite no getting there so easily. She rested some more as her stomach was now hurting. She claimed was indigestion and period coming soon, but I suspected self inflicted damage from the cowgirl stuff. Eventually we had to return to the bar, as the mamasan would be wondering what happened to her. Sure enough, the mamasan asked if she had been "sleeping" up there.
We had some more fun back in the bar.
Here was a really pretty and hot girl who was also a good fuck and really into it long hard sex, with absolutely no concern for time passing, although I only ever got a cursory blow job out of her. Way different to what I was pessimistically expecting. She could easily have worked as a Coyote dancer as very pretty and good dancer with a hot body, but I expect she doesn't do that because she wants a real good fucking regularly.
Anna told me that she had told a fib to some other guy that I wanted to barfine her (whereas he didn't) and that's why she was sitting with me. The truth is I really did want to barfine her.-- Here was a really pretty and hot girl who was also a good fuck and really into it long hard sex, with absolutely no concern for time passing, although I only ever got a cursory blow job out of her. Way different to what I was pessimistically expecting. She could easily have worked as a Coyote dancer as very pretty and good dancer with a hot body, but I expect she doesn't do that because she wants a real good fucking regularly.Amazing Thailand. Nice report!
Way different to what I was pessimistically expecting.It's interesting, that sometimes one can be too pessimistic and worry too much.
Not everyone here is trying to suck every bath out of you and rip you off like many people say. I've lived in Asia for a decade (and in other third world countries before) and it's an often repeated cliché, mostly by disgruntled or parroting expats, that all Thai-Chinese-Columbians-Namibians etc try to suck your last penny out of you. True sometimes, not true all the time, in my experience. One shouldn't get too cynical or one may miss out on fun experiences. The problem is it's such a common thing to discuss among expats that you start to believe it and repeat it. I too have my "they all try to rip you off" days and bar rants.
A couple of days ago I was invited to party in a disco by a WG with her other WG friends after their shift. "Yeah right, so I can pay for all the drinks, no thanks", I thought, and I passed. After meeting that girl again it's clear she just liked me and wanted to have a good time. I had dinner with her and she offered and insisted to pay the bill. Over 700 baths. Anyway, I was way off the mark with my pessimistic assumptions.
Sometimes it's good to just go for it. The most you can lose is a couple of hundred baths. Then you'll have a funny rip off report to write ;)
Mealticket
04-08-11, 04:24
insisted to pay the billWow, you let a thai girl pay
That's just wrong
NicFrenchy
04-08-11, 04:34
Ok, this is a question for the pros that get action at the bar in places like jungle jims, toy, etc. How do you keep the momasons at bay in these place to get the dances cuter girls (stage girls). I have everything done right at the bar but general the girl is not one of the dancer and the number of drinks to the momason and girl add up fast. I am not trying to be cheap but then I want to get the most for my money.Hi,
Yes that isn't easy sometimes to keep away the vultures, they will come in numbers and get some drinks out of you. They of course make cash on the drinks or have a minimum Quota to obtain so they will be very aggressive.
Just politely say no. Tell them that if you see a lady you like, you will invite her and buy a drink.
After a few minutes of standing there with nothing, they will move on.
Also, ALWAYS pay your Bill as you go. I know many people will tell you that the bars are fair and all that, well it's ok if you trust them but I don't. I don't want to leave any temptation to anyone (waitresses, mamasans, Bartenders, Bargirls). I have seen girls come and slip their drink bill to the customers bill-holder, waitresses cheating customers on change (pretending he gave 500 instead of 1000) and mamasans never helping the poor client.
Be nice but firm about what you want, you are the customer and you are spending your money so don't let the girls dictate what you should do.
There is No "face" in this game, some girls are very sweet and will show you a good time. Just make sure it's the girl you want, YOU are the one to choose.
Have fun and play safe
Traveller China
04-08-11, 09:39
Guys, will there be any action in the larger establishments like Colonze, La Belle, and similar during Songkran? Flying in to LOS early next week, and can't move the dates so kinda stuck with sitting out parts of this festival.
I'm not here to talk about recognising LBs as such, but more that LBs are creeping into Soi Cowboy. I hope it doesn't become like Nana Plaza and Pat Pong with loads of them.
Last night one Coyote dancer at Sahara looked a bit LB like with narrow hips and exaggerated movements (but probably wasn't). However Midnite had one LB without any doubt whatsoever. I recall a couple of LBs at Deja Vu in the past too.
Are other bars starting to accept LBs as dancers or bar-finable staff? I'm excluding the Suzi Wong LB mamasan.
I'm not here to talk about recognising LBs as such, but more that LBs are creeping into Soi Cowboy. I hope it doesn't become like Nana Plaza and Pat Pong with loads of them.
Last night one Coyote dancer at Sahara looked a bit LB like with narrow hips and exaggerated movements (but probably wasn't). However Midnite had one LB without any doubt whatsoever. I recall a couple of LBs at Deja Vu in the past too.
Are other bars starting to accept LBs as dancers or bar-finable staff? I'm excluding the Suzi Wong LB mamasan. IMO, ladyboys or post-op ex-guys have always been around in the go-go bars, at least in the past 15 years. I'm assuming most of them are post-op ex-guys; I've never checked; LOL! (Those types of surgeries are relatively inexpensive in Thailand).
A majority of go-go bars will have at least 1 ladyboy or post-op ex-guy. Some guys like those types of things.
Ya, I hope they don't "invade" like they did in Nana.
Wow, you let a thai girl pay
That's just wrongIs it? She didn't seem to think so. She offered to. It seemed to make her happy.
A majority of go-go bars will have at least 1 ladyboy or post-op ex-guy. Some guys like those types of things.Traditionally Soi Cowboy did not have LBs. I have never seen one at Long Gun, Baccara, or Suzi Wong (excluding the mamasan). There are a few women who look like guys around though LOL.
New Old Guy
04-08-11, 13:46
Is it? She didn't seem to think so. She offered to. It seemed to make her happy.I agree. I never seen or knew about a Thai person offering to pay or do something that they did not really desired to do. It is customary for westerns, not for them.
To the contrary I've seen Thai man women shelling out their money for whatever they got and not making a fuss about it.
Mealticket
04-09-11, 02:01
I never seen or knew about a Thai person offering to...do something that they did not really desired to do.You may need to get out more often.
This is just crazy talk.
(if not for the baht) you (actually) think young, hot thai girls "desire" to do elderly, fat, unkempt, badly dressed farang?
In my experience of Thailand over the years, I have found that in a majority of of the "most hottest" looking girls rate low to average in the sex department. Yes, they are cool to take around, but at the end of the day the sex is what it all counts.Telling very hot women "no" is one of the greatest pleasures a man can experience. I'm quite content with doing so unless they make me believe they're also going to give me a great time.
Telling very hot women "no" is one of the greatest pleasures a man can experience. I'm quite content with doing so unless they make me believe they're also going to give me a great time.
A few days ago I was in Bacarra and got a girl to sit next to me. The hottest girl I've seen in Bacarra so far. In the course of our short conversation, I mentioned I was staying at the GM and apparently she thought I was trying to impress her (I just meant to tell her I was staying very near). Though she was pleasant until then (and excellent English) , she looked at me with a smirk and said "I don't care what hotel you are staying at".
I blinked twice, smiled and said "I don't think I like your attitude. You can go now. Kap Kap." She was completely taken aback and asked me to repeat it. The look on her face was priceless. It doesn't seem like this happens to her too often.
If possible after that, get a hot girl from the same shop, treat her well, make her come and give her a nice tip. Bad-attitude-girl will hear about it the next day. LOL
A few days ago I was in Bacarra and got a girl to sit next to me. The hottest girl I've seen in Bacarra so far. In the course of our short conversation, I mentioned I was staying at the GM and apparently she thought I was trying to impress her (I just meant to tell her I was staying very near). Though she was pleasant until then (and excellent English) , she looked at me with a smirk and said "I don't care what hotel you are staying at".Funny how the conversation goes wrong. I probably would not have said I was staying at GM unless asked, for fear of appearing to be showing off. However her answer was not a good way to create harmony unless she was clearly joking around. Anyway probably you were best to find someone else who could accept statements of fact at face value without incorrectly reading attitude into them. Nothing worse than a pairing with continual misunderstandings to follow, leading to a bad time. Many girls have a bad habit of reading in meaning that is just not there. I got divorced for exactly those reasons.
Meanwhile Evianist says that he got extra pleasure from rejecting the hot girl. I would never say it gave me a feeling of pleasure. I don't need to feel so smug. It would be just a calculated decision about maximising my chance of finding a good time.
Dropped by Thigh Bar, little spinner came to sit on my lap after I refused a number of girls, mamasan came to sit next to me, wrote down 3050 on a piece of paper. I pulled a face and shook my head. She wrote down 2550. I didn't look impressed. I said 2000 OK. She asked the girl, is 2000 OK? Girl said yes. She told me it's up to the girl. Includes barfine, room (across the soi in a ST hotel) , and the girl's money. Mamasan got a 100b tip, and girl got 200b for taxi afterwards (it was near closing time).
Dropped by Thigh Bar, little spinner came to sit on my lap after I refused a number of girls, mamasan came to sit next to me, wrote down 3050 on a piece of paper. I pulled a face and shook my head. She wrote down 2550. I didn't look impressed. I said 2000 OK. She asked the girl, is 2000 OK? Girl said yes. She told me it's up to the girl. Includes barfine, room (across the soi in a ST hotel) , and the girl's money. Mamasan got a 100b tip, and girl got 200b for taxi afterwards (it was near closing time).How did you find the quality of the ladies at this bar? Did you go to any other Patpong bars? Did the girl perform up to your expectation?
Enquiringly minds want to know?
Last year at about 1 am I think on the 3rd of may (approximately) , one night I was quite tired of looking for someone, all the good stuff was either gone or had been tried earlier, I ended up selecting one from Midnite, took her back to the hotel (which was a saviour) , she refused to shower together, in the taxi, her hands were pretty hard, I sent her for a shower in the bathroom and quickly called the night guard at the reception, and asked him if the one I had brought was a LB, he confirmed yes, he was, got quite angry, when he came out of the shower and saw me all clothed, got quite surprised and asked me what I was up-to, I told him I was not gay and was not interested, he said why, I told him you never disclosed you were an LB, did you, he said no, I asked him to leave politely, he asked for money, I gave him 500 B, as I didn't want any trouble, I was ok with calling the police if I had too, but nothing like that had to happen, as he left quite willingly, got quite relieved the moment he left, thanked the guard, asked him how he knew, he told me it was evident to him from the I-card, tipped him 100B, next few days kept tipping him daily and he would give his nod after having seen the I cards, I think this probably is the best way to find out before, al these women will hand over their I cards to the guard and of course if you are friendly enough with him, you can know beforehand, also you need to get them back to your hotel for this, short time rooms, will never give you this privilege.
Also one more dancer from midnite is definitely a LB, which is evident from his big posture and over aggressive behavior, got to be careful.
I'm not here to talk about recognising LBs as such, but more that LBs are creeping into Soi Cowboy. I hope it doesn't become like Nana Plaza and Pat Pong with loads of them.
Last night one Coyote dancer at Sahara looked a bit LB like with narrow hips and exaggerated movements (but probably wasn't). However Midnite had one LB without any doubt whatsoever. I recall a couple of LBs at Deja Vu in the past too.
Are other bars starting to accept LBs as dancers or bar-finable staff? I'm excluding the Suzi Wong LB mamasan.
... asked him how he knew, he told me it was evident to him from the I-card...
You can as well check it yourself (as already explained in the "Identifying transvestites" thread).
Before the person's name, written in Thai, if you can find "นาย" (= "Mister"), then, you are dealing with someone who was born a male.
Following are the various cases:
Mister: นาย ("nai")
Miss: น.ส. (abbreviation for นางสาว "nang sao")
Mistress: นาง ("nang")
And with the most recent Thai ID cards, it's even easier as it is mentioned in Thai AND in English.
Mistress: &3609; &3634; &3591; ("nang") Goyave,
Mistress: นาง ("nang")
Freudian slip there, I'm sure you meant "Mrs." rather than "Mistress" LOL :D
... Freudian slip there, I'm sure you meant "Mrs." rather than "Mistress" LOL :D
No Freudian slip here, as “Mrs” originated as a contraction of the honorific “Mistress”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mrs.
There are a few women who look like guys around though LOL.Those might be post-operation ex-guys.
I told him I was not gay and was not interested, he said why, I told him you never disclosed you were an LB, did you, he said no, I asked him to leave politelyIf you have any doubt, need to check in the bar. At least a post-op ex-guy is better than a ladyboy. IMO. Ignorance is bliss. LOL!
Those might be post-operation ex-guys.
If you have any doubt, need to check in the bar. At least a post-op ex-guy is better than a ladyboy. IMO. Ignorance is bliss. LOL! A post-op is still a ladyboy (dick or no more dick), but in Thailand politely referred to as a "she" when speaking English, even if the the Id card says "Mr.". A LB / Transsexual is someone who wants to be a woman but was born with a dick and no pussy. "Ex-guy" strongly suggests that something has changed dramatically (post-op as you said) but not a normally used term, I think. ;)
Mostly, I can tell the difference between butch girls or ugly girls and LBs. Not interested in either for sex (so no big deal).
No Freudian slip here, as 'Mrs' originated as a contraction of the honorific 'Mistress'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mrs
Okay I had never heard "mistress" used that way before. Its sounds ancient / archaic. You keyword was "originated" (in times long gone by). So forgive my ignorance.
http://simple.wiktionary.org/wiki/mistress
lists only one meaning (no capital M) , so I guess the other meaning "Mrs." is obsolete.
Okay I had never heard "mistress" used that way before. Its sounds ancient / archaic. You keyword was "originated" (in times long gone by). So forgive my ignorance.
http://simple.wiktionary.org/wiki/mistress
lists only one meaning (no capital M) , so I guess the other meaning "Mrs." is obsolete.
I probably should have written “Mrs.”, but I wanted to avoid using an abbreviation when the equivalent in Thai was not an abbreviation. As explained in Wikipedia, it is rare for Mrs to be written in a non-abbreviated form and it lacks a standard phonetic spelling (in literature it may appear as “missus” or “missis” or “Mis’ess”, etc.). Instead of choosing one among the numerous non-standard phonetic spellings, I just used the word that this abbreviation originally meant.
Actually, knowing the origin of this word, I initially thought that “missus” (for instance) was just a shortened or altered way of saying “mistress” (even for English native speakers), just like “ma'am” is sometimes used instead of “madam”, but I guess that it's a bit different nowadays for “Mrs.” (so, you can call me pedantic or archaic, I would not mind too much as a non-native English speaker, especially since I consider this matter totally unimportant!).
Dropped by Thigh Bar, little spinner came to sit on my lap after I refused a number of girls, mamasan came to sit next to me, wrote down 3050 on a piece of paper. I pulled a face and shook my head. She wrote down 2550. I didn't look impressed. I said 2000 OK. She asked the girl, is 2000 OK? Girl said yes. She told me it's up to the girl. Includes barfine, room (across the soi in a ST hotel) , and the girl's money. Mamasan got a 100b tip, and girl got 200b for taxi afterwards (it was near closing time).Do what you want, but 2300 for ST is twice what most pay.
NicFrenchy
04-09-11, 13:03
she looked at me with a smirk and said "I don't care what hotel you are staying at".Talk about mis-communication. Maybe she meant that she did not care if you were staying in a 5 star or a 2 star, that she would be ok to go with you anyway.
I guess you'll never know now.
Yeah it's a lot of fun if you're not a tight-ass. Basically just a national water gun fight that goes on for several days.
Well, Songkran is great fun for some people who are on holiday and have nothing more interesting to do, especially if they can celebrate it at one place without having to travel too much during this period. But for many residents, it's mostly a pain in their (according to you) "tight ass"!
For instance, I really hate driving during those holidays as it's even more dangerous than usually in Thailand and the Land of Smiles is certainly not renowned for its road safety records even in normal times (3516 road accidents, 361 deaths and 3803 injuries were reported last year during Songkran).
Of course, I too have had my share of fun in the past (including several freebies) and still spend occasionally some good moments with the locals during Songkran, but I could perfectly live without it (actually, I would be rather pleased if one day, it ceases to exist anymore).
At least, if it lasted only three days! Officially, it's only from April 13th till April 15th, but actually, it lasts much more than that. This year, I underwent my first water-splashing attack on April 6th while driving my car in a small village of Northeastern Thailand! I was so surprised that I could have had a bad reflex then, and could have provoked an accident with a motorbike arriving in the same area. And I can consider myself lucky because I was in my car and not riding my own motorbike this day (at least, I and my belongings did not get soaked like the other guy passing by at the same time)!
New Old Guy
04-09-11, 13:58
Telling very hot women "no" is one of the greatest pleasures a man can experience. I'm quite content with doing so unless they make me believe they're also going to give me a great time.True enough, I still have this memory of myself is my late 20s, dressed to kill, sitting in my brand new coupe at a traffic light downtown in a main European capital. To my right came a red convertible with three north Europeans girls, they giggled and tried to attract my attention over the course of two or three more lights. I never turned my head, but could see that they were gorgeous blondes. And kept a straight if not slightly annoyed face.
However, I didn't do that just to be a stuck-up jerk. I knew with absolute certainty that the actual chances of bedding that type of girls were very small, but the effort involved in just trying would have been huge. Since I couldn't tell them that, I traded futile flirtatiousness for indifferent attitude, that's the way things have to go sometime.
New Old Guy
04-09-11, 14:05
Talk about mis-communication. Maybe she meant that she did not care if you were staying in a 5 star or a 2 star, that she would be ok to go with you anyway.
I guess you'll never know now. Right, but he can still know as that was only few days ago and chances are that the girl still there. Even more interesting, if the hottie is willing to talk about the supposed misunderstanding and accept apologies, that's a real chance to judge her attitude and if she's completely dumb or not.
Telling very hot women "no" is one of the greatest pleasures a man can experience.I'd say it can be mildly satisfying at best, but usually not even that, unless you feel you have something to prove to someone you don't even know. In my experience the 'greatest pleasures' are the positive ones.
I'd say it can be mildly satisfying at best, but usually not even that, unless you feel you have something to prove to someone you don't even know. In my experience the 'greatest pleasures' are the positive ones.Perhaps you're interpreting it incorrectly.
Being comfortable and confident with oneself to the point where you're capable of saying no when the offer isn't all that great, no matter how attractive the woman is, is where the pleasure comes in.
If a very beautiful woman approaches you with the implication being "I have no interest in you as a person. I want you to overpay for me to give you a disinterested starfish performance. And I want you to like it." and you're capable of smiling and saying "No thank you." then you're in a good place mentally.
The best times are always with the girls you connect with on a personal level. If a beautiful girl doesn't seem like she wants to have a good time with you, simply tell her no and move on to someone who does.
... I paid her the pre-agreed 4000; and a 1500 tip. I know, I know. Before you shout at me, keep in mind this girl works on the "model" floor of a high-class establishment where she charges 3500 for 90 minutes (one pop only). And this wasn't a 1AM to 6AM deal either...
OK. So, as she's a "model", you might have taken at least one picture of her? Even one in full-clothes? At this price, I hope you did. Could you please post one (or more) in the photo gallery? Thanks in advance.
NicFrenchy
04-09-11, 16:14
Being comfortable and confident with oneself to the point where you're capable of saying no when the offer isn't all that great, no matter how attractive the woman is, is where the pleasure comes in.You lost me, are we still talking about prostitutes here? Because if we are, then I don't understand at all what pleasure comes with saying no to a lady selling her body since it is not you she wants but what's inside your wallet. I am pretty sure she could not give a rat's ass about it since, if she's attractive, she'll always find someone.
NicFrenchy
04-09-11, 16:16
Well, Songkran is great fun for some people who are on holiday and have nothing more interesting to do, especially if they can celebrate it at one place without having to travel too much during this period. But for many residents, it's mostly a pain in their (according to you) "tight ass"!I fully agree, but I think you're wasting your breath. Let the tourists have their fun and go back to where they came from.
By the way, these are the same fuckers that will tell you they love Songkran and they complain that half the hooker places are closed or operate with less girls. Go figure.
Songkran is terrible. That's why I left just before it started. I don't want some stupid idiot spraying who knows what (toilet water, sewer water, swamp water) on me when I'm out and about. It could quickly escalate into a fight and that's not why I go to Bangkok. Songkran had nothing to do with soaking people and acting stupid. It's a New Year's celebration and it's supposed to be holy. That's definitely not what it is now.
I fully agree, but I think you're wasting your breath. Let the tourists have their fun and go back to where they came from.
By the way, these are the same fuckers that will tell you they love Songkran and they complain that half the hooker places are closed or operate with less girls. Go figure.
Talk about mis-communication. Maybe she meant that she did not care if you were staying in a 5 star or a 2 star, that she would be ok to go with you anyway.I doubt it. I'm pretty good at reading facial expressions and body language. She just had a bad attitude. Maybe she is a great person and was just having a bad day. Who knows. We'll see if I get a chance to talk to her again. As you know, sometimes by being firm (but polite) with a girl, you get her to mellow and she comes back to you the next time on more flexible terms, knowing you are not going to put up with any shit.
While we are on it: Bacarra! The second floor is supposed to have hot girls according to reports here. I was very underwhelmed but only went there once for 20 mins or so. Very short girls in japanese schoolgirl uniforms, nothing special really. I thought the girls on the first floor were hotter. Did I miss something?
The only girls I see worth mentioning in Bacarra are those, like the bad-attitude girl, who are not wearing the usual skimpy outfits but dresses. Mine was wearing a normal black cocktail dress. Her English was great for a WG. She did have a number and I'm pretty sure we discussed ST so she was barfinable. I only saw these girls walking around downstairs though. Do they show up in a line-up upstairs at some point?
OK. So, as she's a "model", you might have taken at least one picture of her? Even one in full-clothes? At this price, I hope you did. Could you please post one (or more) in the photo gallery? Thanks in advance.Yes, did. But I'm not sure I'll share any. I've spent a lot of time with her and we've become pretty close. As in, you-boyfriend-me-please-fuck-me-without-condom-you-no-pay-me-ka! close (I obviously keep the condom firmly on). So it would feel a bit like a betrayal to put her pics out there. I also don't want to get her in trouble since she is not supposed to do freelancing work outside her shop.
Mr Enternational
04-09-11, 20:21
Songkran is terrible. That's why I left just before it started. I don't want some stupid idiot spraying who knows what (toilet water, sewer water, swamp water) on me when I'm out and about. It could quickly escalate into a fight and that's not why I go to Bangkok. Songkran had nothing to do with soaking people and acting stupid. It's a New Year's celebration and it's supposed to be holy. That's definitely not what it is now.Welcome to Happy Water 2554!
You lost me, are we still talking about prostitutes here? Because if we are, then I don't understand at all what pleasure comes with saying no to a lady selling her body since it is not you she wants but what's inside your wallet. I am pretty sure she could not give a rat's ass about it since, if she's attractive, she'll always find someone.How is it that guys continuously lose sight that these are hookers, floozies, bimbos, tramps, prostitutes, hoes, beotches, harlots, hustlers, ladies of the night, scarlet women, streetwalkers, working girls? These scenes illude more people than David Blaine and David Copperfield combined.
Mr Enternational
04-09-11, 20:26
Yes, did. But I'm not sure I'll share any. I've spent a lot of time with her and we've become pretty close. As in, you-boyfriend-me-please-fuck-me-without-condom-you-no-pay-me-ka! close So it would feel a bit like a betrayal to put her pics out there. I also don't want to get her in trouble since she is not supposed to do freelancing work outside her shop.If "you-no-pay-me-ka" then it's not considered freelancing is it? And who's to say the picture was taken while she was freelancing? I'm pretty anxious myself to see some of these 9s and 10s and models people always talk about but never show.
I'm pretty anxious myself to see some of these 9s and 10s and models people always talk about but never show.I will do my best to post something. Unfortunately I don't really care for pics myself so I have taken almost no record of my trip so far (speaking of the WGs part of it). It only occurred to me 2-3 days ago that I should try to contribute something in the pic thread since I was being critical about some posters' pics, it would only be fair. I've since gotten pics of 2 girls but I still forget sometimes. I'll post a bigger set by the time I leave which unfortunately is soon.
\How is it that guys continuously lose sight that these are hookers, etc?Because the little head is doing very little thinking. Thai working girls are masters at extracting cash once they know you've bitten their baited "hoy."
When you hear,"Teerak, can you help me?" It's probably a little beyond the time you should have moved on.
And for the supposed power play by saying "no," I say that most Thai women could give a shit as there is always another one coming their way and they know it. A hot working girl would forget this comment as soon as it left a monger's mouth.
The best times are always with the girls you connect with on a personal level. If a beautiful girl doesn't seem like she wants to have a good time with you, simply tell her no and move on to someone who does.Sentence edited below:
The best transactions are always with the working girls your wallet connects with purely on a business level. If a beautiful working girl doesn't seem like she wants to have a good time with you and your wallet, simply tell her I have no money and she will move on to someone who does have money.
Do what you want, but 2300 for ST is twice what most pay.Really? Including barfine and room? I don't think so.
Boater Boy
04-10-11, 10:38
Great to be back here surrounded by great people and huge amounts of fun. Many thanks to all of the contributors to the forum who keep this thread so up to date and entertaining.
Got in fairly late and went straight to Citadines on SOI 11. Nice room and great staff here.
Hurried down to SOL and got a really first class BBBJ from May. Not hurried and really expertly carried out. The only downside for some could be that she has really small boobs, for me not a problem. I would have considered taking FS, however wrong time of the month. I appreciated that she was honest and up front about that.
Feeling very satisified went over to Nana area for a beer at Alec's Bar to find that it is now called the cabin and Alec has gone sone months ago. Many of the previous team is still there and the new guy seems nice enough. Will definatley go back and try one of the ladies for a night of fun.
BB
NicFrenchy
04-10-11, 10:58
I would have considered taking FS, however wrong time of the month. I appreciated that she was honest and up front about that.I don't think she had a choice. You would have known.
What amazes me is that some girls put sponges in their pussies and hope guys won't notice, but I think unless your dick is small, you will notice there is something in that pussy.
Let's just hope it's just a sponge and not razor blades, because then it won't be her blood on the sheets but yours.
I don't think she had a choice. You would have known.
What amazes me is that some girls put sponges in their pussies and hope guys won't notice, but I think unless your dick is small, you will notice there is something in that pussy.
Let's just hope it's just a sponge and not razor blades, because then it won't be her blood on the sheets but yours. Seems that you have sen too many "gore" horror movies. LOL
NicFrenchy
04-10-11, 12:07
Seems that you have sen too many "gore" horror movies. LOLYes, that is possible.
Llantarnam
04-10-11, 13:10
If "you-no-pay-me-ka" then it's not considered freelancing is it? And who's to say the picture was taken while she was freelancing? I'm pretty anxious myself to see some of these 9s and 10s and models people always talk about but never show.There are plenty of 9's and 10's about. Trouble is they all advertise on web sites that charge 6k a pop.
If you're like me (midle aged and ugly) be thankful for what you can get.
Being comfortable and confident with oneself to the point where you're capable of saying no when the offer isn't all that great, no matter how attractive the woman is, is where the pleasure comes in.Agreeing with Betong,
I reckon Evianist would get great pleasure out of drinking "NoName" brand of coffee (yuck) because the price is so much lower than the Lavazza or whichever really nice coffee you like. Life is too short. I get pleasure out of a great time with the hottest girls I can find at the time, with a good attitude and good chemistry. They don't have to come at rock bottom prices. I am not retired and still work for good money.
The best girls are never going to price themselves real low. That wouyld be disrespecting their own quality. They just don't need to and would be more than happy with a "no deal". There is not a fixed price for all regardless of the standard, except maybe in places where super hotties don't exist!
Each to their own. I know some guys would be happy to just lie back, close their eyes (so they forget how plain looking she is) , and get blown. Could be an old fat hag at the BJ bar.
What amazes me is that some girls put sponges in their pussies and hope guys won't notice, but I think unless your dick is small, you will notice there is something in that pussy.I agree but must consider that some pussies are extra deep and some sponges are smaller. Considering that girls have one maybe 20% of the time, and that it is reported so little, I guess many guys just don't know.
I prefer also girls that will tell "mee fai daeng" (have a red light).
I am embarassed to say that last night I failed to detect it but should have. Was a regular girl and I knew her period had finished 2-3 days ago, so all should have been well. I failed to put the finger deep in there (some girls won't let you but this one will) and so started fucking without checking. She felt smaller than usual which I put down to not having had sex lately. Also my feeling was down from usual and in the end she had cum a couple of times but I didn't get there (too much recent sex?).
Next morning I try again, but this time detect the sponge and get her to remove it. Now the feeling has returned, and I get the much deeper experience (even though she claimed the sponge was tiny) and I orgasm with no problems. For guys that don't cum quick, the absence of the sponge can make a big difference. Left a tiny bit of colour on the bedsheets.
For girls that don't speak English too well it may be handy to know the sponge is called "fong naam". "Chuay aow fong naam ork" means "please take the sponge out".
Syzig, I don't think Evianist was talking about price but about being able to say no to a girl with a bad attitude. Which, let's face it, is easier to do when you have 50 other girls eager to go with you a few steps away. There is some 'pleasure' or satisfaction involved in that. In real life you might put up with it (for a while at least) , in a gogo bar you don't have to. You have many options. It's part of the fun.
Agreeing with Betong,
I reckon Evianist would get great pleasure out of drinking "NoName" brand of coffee (yuck) because the price is so much lower than the Lavazza or whichever really nice coffee you like. Life is too short. I get pleasure out of a great time with the hottest girls I can find at the time, with a good attitude and good chemistry. They don't have to come at rock bottom prices. I am not retired and still work for good money.
The best girls are never going to price themselves real low. That wouyld be disrespecting their own quality. They just don't need to and would be more than happy with a "no deal". There is not a fixed price for all regardless of the standard, except maybe in places where super hotties don't exist!
Each to their own. I know some guys would be happy to just lie back, close their eyes (so they forget how plain looking she is) , and get blown. Could be an old fat hag at the BJ bar. I wasn't talking about price. Or even about prostitutes exclusively.
El Frances
04-10-11, 17:23
I know it's dangerous to call my post "first night" as I will probably be too lazy to write about the second night! Ah! Ah! Anyway, as usual I went for my first night (Saturday) to Bangkok Beat as it is a good place to have fun and they usually have a good band. I go there the first night (and maybe the second) because I could fuck any girl that night and the quality in this place is not so hight (rather old girls). The next nights I tend to get more picky and usually end up in a Gogo with a young cute girl.
Surprisingly, I found there a girl who was only 22, maybe the only one there (maybe I saw another one, so that makes two around that age). She was with another girl who's got picked up by a young (apparently not experienced) expat. His girl was about 30 and he told me he pays her 2500 LT. Gosh! If expats pay that price in Bangkok Beat, where the quality is not much better than in BG, I wonder how much newbie tourists would pay! Anyway, it had great time there! Of course because the expat sucker was paying her girl 2500, my cutie also asked this price, which I quickly got down to 2000, promising I would not tell the other guy. Great night with wet pussy and full GFE!
Tonight I will have a look at BG, then BBeat again and maybe Bamboo, and eventually end up in a Gogo if necessary.
NicFrenchy
04-10-11, 18:16
She was with another girl who's got picked up by a young (apparently not experienced) expat. His girl was about 30 and he told me he pays her 2500 LT. Gosh! If expats pay that price in Bangkok Beat, where the quality is not much better than in BG, I wonder how much newbie tourists would pay!Not all expats are experts in whoring. Maybe the Bar scene isn't his thing.
Hi, I'm planning a trip to Thailand sometime soon, have been RTFF, gone back over 20 pages. I have a few newbie questions some respectful memebrs could clarify:
1) How it works in Thailand seems to be get a GF hotel. (still need to read this section, advice welcome). Go to Soi Cowboy or Nana's and find a girl. The question is to do with prices because reports seem to vary a lot:
ST = 3 hours? Where you can cum a few times. Price = 1000B?
LT= whole night Price=1500B?
2) Does it cost anthing to enter the bars? Ie you can bar hop for free? Bar fine I gather is about 5-600B.
3) I heard reports about LB and ex-guys. Presumely if you pick someone from the gogo bars your safe.
In all, it costs 1500 including bar fine for 3 hours to bring your girl back to your hotel?
Thanks,
Der Tourist
04-11-11, 00:08
Hi, I'm planning a trip to Thailand sometime soon, have been RTFF, gone back over 20 pages. I have a few newbie questions some respectful memebrs could clarify:I am far from being among the most experienced and respected members here but I think I should be able to answer your questions. I have been to Bangkok 4 times and have a little clue.
1) How it works in Thailand seems to be get a GF hotel. (still need to read this section, advice welcome). Go to Soi Cowboy or Nana's and find a girl. The question is to do with prices because reports seem to vary a lot:I beg my pardon from those who will disagree but it much depends on whose Report you're reading. There are two main kinds of mongers: those who count their money while looking for girls and those who aren't. I'm one who isn't (even though I am very far from being rich or even prosperous person even if I look and act like one while in Thailand). That much depends on your attitude and world-view. It depends on whether you want to get something here and now at any cost without worrying about every dollar you spend or whether you can go for a cheaper alternative and feel just as good while always staying within budget. It is up to you and not anyone else. So there is no "right" answer.
ST = 3 hours? Where you can cum a few times. Price = 1000B?ST doesn't mean ANY amount of hours or times to cum (well, it means at least one cum I guess). It may be 15 minutes or it may be 3 hours. Depends on a girl and yourself. Although usually it would be something between 1 and 2 hours. Very much depends on the girl and if she likes you. Of course if she likes you she will stay longer. You, however, DO NOT have a right to keep her longer than she is willing to stay after you cum (unless agreed before. But I have never heard anyone doing that). It is a discreet situation based on common sense the basic of which is you take the girl to your hotel, you both take a shower, then some foreplay, kissing etc, fuck, cum, shower again and she goes. This is what you should expect. Anything less means not good while anything more you should consider yourself lucky. ST 1000-1500 in ordinary (I. E. Cheaper) bars while 2000 in Baccarra, Rainbow 4, Sharks and I think Tilac (never been to that one though). I know I know some mongers will say it's too expensive, that you're an idiot to pay so much, that they can get it for 100 baht long time but that's what I expect to pay for a hot girl in a good bar (I. E. One of the four I mentioned). So 1000-1500 in an ordinary bar and 2000 in one of the "elite" ones (I guess you may negotiate it 1500 though. But I never done that).
LT= whole night Price=1500B?Yes, from a "cheap" bar. But even cheaper ones I think ask 2000 in Bangkok (perhaps cheaper in Pattaya or Phuket) From the expensive one it's a 4000 (that's what they usually ask anyway, and if they're really hot they won't go down). Many would agree to 3000 though. Then again, many won't go for LT at all, especially if it happens early (I. E. Before midnight or so) or if they don't like you. Sometime they agree to go LT after having ST. They change mind often those girls. And remember, NEVER pay BEFORE. Just after I. E. When she's leaving your room.
So all in all: cheap bar 1500LT while expensive "elite" bars 3000-4000LT.
2) Does it cost anthing to enter the bars? Ie you can bar hop for free? Bar fine I gather is about 5-600B.No, it's all free to enter. Technically you don't even have to buy anything if want to just quickly have a look around. But being a respectful person I guess it's a good idea to order some drink straight away unless you really intend to leave immediately. Barfines are 500-600 and that is when you take the girl out. You should expect to buy a drink for the girl while she's sitting with you. They also get some commission from the drinks you buy them so they may get pushy. It is important to stay polite and discreet while not to waste too much money on buying them drinks.
3) I heard reports about LB and ex-guys. Presumely if you pick someone from the gogo bars your safe.I always ask the mamasan. Although bars like Rainbow4 and Baccara, as far as I am aware don't have LBs anyway so if you go to those establishments you are pretty much safe.
In all, it costs 1500 including bar fine for 3 hours to bring your girl back to your hotel?If you go to Rainbow4 and other bars I mentioned. Most definitely not. It will take as much as 3300 or so (including 2000 for the girl. 600 barfine, some 500-600 for drinks and a taxi ride). But for this money you're looking at the top bars and top girls. This is what I do anyway.
In cheaper places you possibly can make it with 1500 all inclusive but I would say 2000 to is more realistic.
The problem which we must not forget are drinks. They cost something like 200-300 baht each and going there you "immediately" buy two drinks which means 400-600 baht. Then if you buy another one or two you may end up spending a 1000 on drinks alone so it's good to keep this in mind and perhaps plan things in a way to minimize drinking.
Also my suggestions are based on my perception. Like I said, once I'm after girls I don't care much about money, I always want to get what I want here and now without any compromises, I like "hot" girls I. E. Young, skinny, well shaped body (I. E. Won't go for anything who is described as "not skinny, just normal" or "not one of those anorexic girls"). So I would guess I have a high standard based on my perception of beauty. If you are the same then I hope my advice may be of use. If not and you're pragmatic and open for experiments regarding looks, body shapes and sizes then just ignore my post. Cheers and have a good stay in LOS.
NicFrenchy
04-11-11, 02:31
ST = 3 hours? Where you can cum a few times. Price = 1000B?
LT= whole night Price=1500B?
In all, it costs 1500 including bar fine for 3 hours to bring your girl back to your hotel?
Thanks, Funny how a few cheapos can influence the newbies and lure them into Thinking BKK is a Cheap Paradise. Then the said Newbies arrive in NaNa and Cowboy and is in for a rude Awakening:
Drinks@150.
Barfines at 600 to 900 (Baccara early)
ST@2000 for 1 shot
LT@4000 and the girl tries to pull a "friend needs me so I leave after 3 hours" scam.
In my opinion, there is ST to be had in BKK for 1000 (even 300 if you want) but not in the bars. Go to BG7 or Nana Car Park.
If you are on a tight budget, I suggest you avoid Patpong, Cowboy, Nana.
Get your Drinks and Food@7/11 and pull girls from Beergarden or Nana Carpark or Sukh Streetwalkers.
funny how a few cheapos can influence the newbies and lure them into thinking bkk is a cheap paradise. then the said newbies arrive in nana and cowboy and is in for a rude awakening:
in my opinion, there is st to be had in bkk for 1000 (even 300 if you want) but not in the bars. go to bg7 or nana car park. if you are on a tight budget, i suggest you avoid patpong, cowboy, nana. get your drinks and food@7/11 and pull girls from beergarden or nana carpark or sukh streetwalkers. don't forget the rep001tered beer bars (patpong 2, suk soi 22, along suk road, etc.). these are good places to drink and find hidden gems for less than "mainstream" prices.
don't forget the rep001tered beer bars (patpong 2, suk soi 22, along suk road, etc.). these are good places to drink and find hidden gems for less than "mainstream" prices.and makes you appreciate that tulip, mango, sw, etc are good value.
Well summed up, Der Tourist.
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