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These are regular birth control pills which acts the same way as morning after pill. On the day I arrive I ask the girl to take two pills and continue one a day for the rest. After I leave they need to continue for about two more days.I'm pretty sure this is crap too. Regular birth control pills take at least 1-2 months to become effective.
I'm pretty sure this is crap too. Regular birth control pills take at least 1-2 months to become effective.Or it is a "bomb".
You don't "score" a hot girl here. You buy her services. But there are civilians too. I once scored a hot thai here, almost, but gave up when I saw my drinks bill sky-rocketing and when she (and her 2 frnds) wanted to go elsewhere to conitnue drinking, I bailed out.
Best time would be 11pm. The place gets going about midnight. Closes at 2am.
The common price is closer to 10, 000 Baht. (for the super hot ones, and they won't drop below 8000) Yes there are those that go down to 4000-6000, but they can be found at Grace, Spicy, Bossy etc. Its very often that non-working girls are more expensive than working girls, once you take in food and drink and other bills.
Whilst there might be some warm feeling inside that you can pull, the economics always put me off, I would rather bang and then pay them to go away, as opposed to "paying for them" to get into their knickers.
Having been here over 20 years there are always exceptions and I do have a few that are purely banging for pleasure with no money involved at all. But as a general rule working girls are much cheaper, much less hassle and you can change them whenever you want, and you pay them to go away after the sex.
Lately the BIB have been making multiple nightly raids on the NEP area SWs. They have been hit up before for years for the 1000 Baht fine, if they can't outrun the officers, but not at this frequency. I've been told as many as 6 times in an evening. Consequently some girls are adjusting to this problem by coming earlier in the day, not being so obvious in their intentions, working in bars or leaving BKK to try their luck in Phucket, etc. This is good news for guys wanting some late morning to mid afternoon action as an appetizer for the late activities.
You can go to shock69 after 2 or 2:30 when all the gogo and clubs are open. Its a disco and its open till 5 in morning. Whats good about this place is all the girls working in gogo, bars or massage parlours move to this disco after all other places close down. Lot of good stuff is available.
Just enjoy and do report back. During My last visit to Bangkok, I happened to me a guy in Bacarra and he has mentioned to me once about a certain disco that mostly all the gogo girls went after closing time of their bars. I really can not recalled that name of the disco, if shock 69 is the one, then I do hope that in my next trip, I will certainly go to find the last catch of the day.
Cheers,
MD
Its very often that non-working girls are more expensive than working girls, once you take in food and drink and other bills.
But as a general rule working girls are much cheaper, much less hassle and you can change them whenever you want, and you pay them to go away after the sex. I 100% agree! Usually non working girls end up much more than working girl. Not to mentioned if feeling is involve at the end.
Best is to take different girls every night and no string attached.
I like this phrase" you pay them to go away after the sex"
Cheers,
MD
. . . Whilst there might be some warm feeling inside that you can pull, the economics always put me off, I would rather bang and then pay them to go away, as opposed to "paying for them" to get into their knickers.It depends on POV.
I agree on the concept that a non-pro might cost more.
I agree you pay the WG to leave after the deed.
But it all depends on what one is looking for and wants, still without engaging in a permanent relationship.
If one is just looking for digging his little head for some draining plumbing job, then obviously the "wam-bam-thank-you-ma'am of 20 minutes" is the perfect solution.
But you can pay also to get a little bit more (and maybe you need to pay more or different rates)
But you can also spend money to enjoy a few hrs in nice company, eating and drinking and dancing and ending up in bed.
Each one his own
Mr Enternational
05-13-11, 07:33
Its very often that non-working girls are more expensive than working girls, once you take in food and drink and other bills.
Whilst there might be some warm feeling inside that you can pull, the economics always put me off, I would rather bang and then pay them to go away, as opposed to "paying for them" to get into their knickers.
Having been here over 20 years there are always exceptions and I do have a few that are purely banging for pleasure with no money involved at all. But as a general rule working girls are much cheaper, much less hassle and you can change them whenever you want, and you pay them to go away after the sex. Like you said there are exceptions. You only come out on the bottom (no pun intended) if you always insist on spending YOUR money. When I go out with non-pros they usually offer up to foot some of the bills.
For instance last night me and my ex-girlfriend went to see Fast 5. I paid 240 for the movie and she said she would pay it next time we went. We then went to Swenson's and she paid 160 for ice creams. And after that she paid 70 for noodles on the street for us. Compare that to a working girl. The 240 I spent with her last night in no way compares to the 1000 I'm giving this hot mamasan (who I met in Candy Shop on Walking Street last night and was later buying me drinks in her bar) when she wakes up or the 3000-5000 guys are accustomed to shelling out for gogo girls on top of lady drinks and barfines. I am in Thailand for God sake. I never spent an equivalent of 5000 baht going out with non-pros in America. And to think there is even remotely some chance of me spending that kind of money on a non-pro in Thailand is virtually impossible unless plane tickets and resorts come into play.
Nobody thinks about casual one night BB pregnancy. You will not even hear about it unless you are in touch with her.
I never keep in touch with one night girls via barfine. Words fail me. Shame on you, dude.
If you are worried just use the condom all the time.I do bro. I do.
No, you see the test doesn't stop you gettinng AIDS. It just tells you if you were infected with HIV about 6 months ago. Luckily not quite a death sentence these days (at least not for you as a Westerner).Just for the record, HIV still is very much a death sentence, you just don't die in 2 years like you did in 1985, but in 20. And during the 20 years you have to take very strong medications several times per day, that give you either permanent cold sweat, diarrhea, stomach aches, pimples, dizziness, mental fog, liver issues, or a combination of all and more. It's not a walk in the park.
I 100% agree! Usually non working girls end up much more than working girl.I don't understand the economics involved here. At 4000 LT or 3000 or even 2000 LT, how on earth could a non-WG be more expensive than a WG? Are you spending 50 or 100 euros every time you meet your normal girlfriend? I certainly don't. I go dutch with my normal girls at all times. And it's not fancy dinners and champagne on a regular basis. For me WGs are way, WAY more expensive that normal girls.
The one case where it wouldn't be so is if you got divorced and your wife takes you to the cleaners, but that's not a fair comparison. Otherwise, on a weekly or monthly basis, WG-to-normal-girlfriend comparison, I don't see how a non WG could be more expensive.
Pro Fesseur
05-13-11, 10:54
I don't understand the economics involved here. At 4000 LT or 3000 or even 2000 LT, how on earth could a non-WG be more expensive than a WG? Are you spending 50 or 100 euros every time you meet your normal girlfriend? I certainly don't. I go dutch with my normal girls at all times. And it's not fancy dinners and champagne on a regular basis. For me WGs are way, WAY more expensive that normal girls.
The one case where it wouldn't be so is if you got divorced and your wife takes you to the cleaners, but that's not a fair comparison. Otherwise, on a weekly or monthly basis, WG-to-normal-girlfriend comparison, I don't see how a non WG could be more expensive.
1) Some people pay much less than what you are apparently used to pay for having sex with the local prostitutes.
2) Some people (not me) are happy with just one ST session every couple of days or about one or two per week.
3) Some people (me included) don't go dutch with the "normal" girls and the courtship can be relatively expensive (much more than paying a sex worker if you are not interested in a durable relationship), especially if you are much older than the girls that you want to bed.
4) Most people don't buy any costly gift for hookers, but do that for their regular girlfriend(s).
5) When the regular girlfriend becomes your wife, it often means more costly gifts (a second car, for instance) but also less sex (at least with her) in the long term, and you have many other expenses when you have children together, etc.
That's just a few amongst many reasons why for many people, doing sex workers is, at the end of the day, often less expensive than having a regular girlfriend.
Fun Filled
05-13-11, 11:57
Day 2.
Slept till after noon and then did normal thing till evening. Around 11 again went to bed super club met a guy from UK it was his 1st time in BKK so I gave him some moral support :P. There were group 4 smoking hot girls enjoying the music and drinks it was hard to tell they were working girls or not. They were not giving any attention of guys. So didn't gave it a try. Help that guy from UK to find a good girl and he was all set. I Moved to Q bar nothing exciting so finally moved to CM2. Saw one hot Uzbaki asked her whats her plan the reply was she already with customer &61516; oh that was disappointing casuse she was really hot almost 10/10. I could not find any thing better or same as her so I was really disappointed and was not really ready to compromise on quality.
It was time for cm2 to close so I moved to Shock 69. I was surprised to see all the non picked girls from the CM2 and bed super club where there. Including the group of girl whom I saw at Bedsuper club. Just approached one of the girls in that group she was 5'7' tall without heel and figure to die for. Smooth skin. Just said Hi and asked her is she interested in going out with me. She quoted 8000 bhats. Well I guess that's nice way to say no thank you I am not interested. Again I was disappointed and keep looking. Suddenly she came to me hold my hand and pulled me toward the bathroom. And told me she generally not go out with guys and she is here cause its weekend. But said that she will go with me and how much I will pay. I said I will pay 2000 short time she said no 3000 thousand I said yes and closed the deal.
She had a perfect English so communication was no problem. Back to my room. And when I saw he in light man I was floored. She got fair baby skin and not a single stretch mark. She told me that she is a event organiser and a part time model. When I told her that I saw her in Bed supper club and was about to approach her but decided not to do that at last moment. She said if I would have approached her there she would have said no to me. Because being a event organiser every 1 know her there. Its just that I like you that's why I am here in you room otherwise I don't go out like this.
She was priceless. For hours we had sex in each and every position. Only disappointing part is that its not easy to find such a fine girl in BKK at that cost. She has set my standard to new high. We exchanged no and she promise me that she is going to call me in afternoon so that we can have lunch together.
Its very often that non-working girls are more expensive than working girls, once you take in food and drink and other bills.It depends on the girl. I think we can all agree, however, that non-working girls suck more time and energy from men then do p4p girls. For some, time is money and freedom is bliss, so enter the working girl and life is good.
1) Some people pay much less than what you are apparently used to pay for having sex with the local prostitutes.
2) Some people (not me) are happy with just one ST session every couple of days or about one or two per week.
3) Some people (me included) don't go dutch with the "normal" girls and the courtship can be relatively expensive (much more than paying a sex worker if you are not interested in a durable relationship), especially if you are much older than the girls that you want to bed.
4) Most people don't buy any costly gift for hookers, but do that for their regular girlfriend(s).
5) When the regular girlfriend becomes your wife, it often means more costly gifts (a second car, for instance) but also less sex (at least with her) in the long term, and you have many other expenses when you have children together, etc.
That's just a few amongst many reasons why for many people, doing sex workers is, at the end of the day, often less expensive than having a regular girlfriend.
Many good points here, Pro Fesseur!
The more you get older, the less you will be able to score a young and attractive "normal girl". I will be 44 next month and in the Land of Smiles, I regularly have sex with numerous young and cute prostitutes (most of them being in the 18-22 age group) for very little money.
But when I'm back in Farangland, the youngest women with whom I can have sex (apart from prostitutes) are usually over 30, and even if I'm not very old, it would look weird in my country of origin if I were courting a young 18-year-old cutie. And my chance of success would be very slim with her, as I am far than being as attractive as Brad Pitt or George Clooney nowadays.
Moreover, a regular girlfriend costs more than only money, but also some time and emotional involvement, for instance. You must admit that when you have a regular girlfriend, you often do some things with her that you don't really like and would not do if you were single.
With prostitutes, it's very easy for (almost) every guy at any age to fuck various kinds of women, provided that he's got some money (very little in Thailand usually, at least by Western standards). Of course, it's also not very difficult to fuck many different young and beautiful women (almost) for free when you still are a young and attractive guy, but things often change dramatically when you get older. I would love to fuck very young cuties in my country of origin, but it's almost impossible for a guy of my age when no money exchanges hands (somehow, as a nice and expensive gift might do the trick in certain cases).
3) Some people (me included) don't go dutch with the "normal" girls and the courtship can be relatively expensive (much more than paying a sex worker if you are not interested in a durable relationship), especially if you are much older than the girls that you want to bed.
I can't understand going dutch with a thai girl who probably only makes 8-12, 000 baht / month.
I expect to pay for meals, transportation and entertainment. Which over the course of a relationship can get pretty expensive.
Especially if you're older I would think they'll lose interest if they're not being taken care of.
Mr Enternational
05-13-11, 14:58
I can't understand going dutch with a thai girl who probably only makes 8-12, 000 baht / month. I expect to pay for meals, transportation and entertainment. Which over the course of a relationship can get pretty expensive. Especially if you're older I would think they'll lose interest if they're not being taken care of.Shit if they can go out and pay for those expensive ass drinks in the club then why can't they pay a couple hundred baht for a meal? They were going to eat regardless whether or not you showed up. As for transportation, most of my non-pros have cars or motorbikes already. So that is not an issue. But if they didn't a motorbike taxi or regular taxi is all of 50-100 baht each way.
But the point is that if you had a non-pro everyday it would cost you less hard baht (that is actual money out of your pocket into the hand of another) than if you did P4P everyday. As Chill Out was saying you don't go out drinking champagne with a non-pro everyday. You do regular everyday shit that you will only come off max 500-800 baht / day for if that. A pro is going to cost you from 1000-5000 a pop, and that does not include the "courtship" costs associated.
If they lose interest because "they are not being taken care of" then you shouldn't have been with them to begin with. Get someone in your own league that does not just want you for your money. I would think that is the point of being with a non-pro. I'm not showing up to save these chicks by playing Mr. Money Bags. I'm showing up to give them the privilege of being graced with my presence!
Pro Fesseur
05-13-11, 15:40
Shit if they can go out and pay for those expensive ass drinks in the club then why can't they pay a couple hundred baht for a meal? They were going to eat regardless whether or not you showed up. As for transportation, most of my non-pros have cars or motorbikes already. So that is not an issue. But if they didn't a motorbike taxi or regular taxi is all of 50-100 baht each way.
But the point is that if you had a non-pro everyday it would cost you less hard baht (that is actual money out of your pocket into the hand of another) than if you did P4P everyday. As Chill Out was saying you don't go out drinking champagne with a non-pro everyday. You do regular everyday shit that you will only come off max 500-800 baht / day for if that. A pro is going to cost you from 1000-5000 a pop, and that does not include the "courtship" costs associated.
If they lose interest because "they are not being taken care of" then you shouldn't have been with them to begin with. Get someone in your own league that does not just want you for your money. I would think that is the point of being with a non-pro. I'm not showing up to save these chicks by playing Mr. Money Bags. I'm showing up to give them the privilege of being graced with my presence!
I don't know with what kind of (allegedly) "non-pro" girls you are going out (they more likely are "semi-pro" in Thailand if you find them in a club and if they easily agree to spend the night with you on the first date), but those that I have met so far don't go out alone with a foreigner on the first date (they have at least one of their friends coming with them that you must entertain too, at least to some extent), they very seldom fuck with a foreigner on the first date, they usually would suggest a visit to the nearest shopping mall (at the foreigner's expense) before granting their favors (those are not much different than "semi-pro" girls then), etc. According to my own experience, and at least with most of the young cute ones, you end up spending much more money and losing much more time (especially during the courtship phase) with "non-pro" girls.
If you enjoy variety, young attractive women, and don't want a durable relationship, the prostitutes are much better value (for most punters, as they usually want to fuck girls that are much younger and way more attractive than themselves).
Moreover, a regular girlfriend costs more than only money, but also some time and emotional involvement, for instance.Exactly. And for me that "time" would almost surely be spent being bored to death relative to other things I'd rather be doing, like watching a good movie, gambling, being involved on internet forums suited to male interests, wanking to porn, having sex. Women seldom have much in common with me, so I'd spend good money not to be socializing with them. If "emotional involvement", or drama, is added to the equation of "time spent" with them, I'd pay even more to avoid such a woman. Hence the common saying that we pay the hooker to leave. If my "time" is worth 30 dollars an hour, then I'd pay at least 1000 Baht to avoid hanging around with a woman who's not sexing me. Every hour I spend with her is not only money down the toilet, but my life in misery too. But some guys love playing the dating game. Not me.
You must admit that when you have a regular girlfriend, you often do some things with her that you don't really like and would not do if you were single.It is quite commonly said that relationships involve compromise. Fortunately that doesn't have to be the case with prostitutes. How many GF's or non P4P girls are going to do virtually anything you want, like a BBBJ for a hour, lick your ass, balls, tongue, etc, as long as you like, etc? For me these special services are just another reason to not bother with any females except P4P.
But the point is that if you had a non-pro everyday it would cost you less hard baht (that is actual money out of your pocket into the hand of another) than if you did P4P everyday.It depends on the quality of the girl.
In BKK, if you want the cream of the crop non-pro chicks (vast majority aren't interested in foreigners) , it would cost more. If you want average girls, then yes it would be cheaper than playing the pro market.
Of course non-pros will take more time and emotional involvement. And it's impossible to have that much variety in a short amount of time, with such facility, as you can with pros. Those are the reasons I go to pros as well.
For money cost though, I don't see it, unless you need to eat fine cuisine at the Landmark and buy weekly gifts to keep a normal girl. Which you don't. (Well, maybe in your 60s you do; I can't comment on that yet).
In BKK, if you want the cream of the crop non-pro chicks (vast majority aren't interested in foreigners) , it would cost more. If you want average girls, then yes it would be cheaper than playing the pro market.That's probably a good point and somewhat true in every country. I've never chased the "you need to wine and dine me 15 times in 5 stars establishments before you get a kiss" kind of chicks though. Why bother?
if you had a non-pro everyday it would cost you less hard baht (that is actual money out of your pocket into the hand of another) than if you did P4P everyday. As Chill Out was saying you don't go out drinking champagne with a non-pro everyday. You do regular everyday shit that you will only come off max 500-800 baht / day for if that. A pro is going to cost you from 1000-5000 a pop, and that does not include the "courtship" costs associated.Exactly.
Mr Enternational
05-13-11, 19:54
It depends on the quality of the girl.
In BKK, if you want the cream of the crop non-pro chicks (vast majority aren't interested in foreigners) , it would cost more. If you want average girls, then yes it would be cheaper than playing the pro market. To me every woman is average. Cream of the Crop / Quality is a term thrown around pretty loosely on this board when talking about women, whether pro or non-pro. If we speak academically we can agree that cream of the crop would be someone who has a grade point average of 3. 8 on a 4. 0 scale. If we speak in terms of sports we can agree that cream of the crop is someone who scores 3 goals out of every 5 attempts. These things can be measured objectively.
But when we speak about women what is cream of the crop? Are we basing it on her level of education? How much money she has in the bank? How much money her parents have in the bank? How many friends she has? How old she is? How much she weighs? How tall she is? Her skin tone? The type of job she has? What material possessions she has? If she has kids or not? Or are we talking in terms of subjectivity here where to each his own and everyone has their own idea of what it is and it may vary?
I'm pretty sure this is crap too. Regular birth control pills take at least 1-2 months to become effective.I've used Postinor many times. I usually buy it in BKK but a girl I kinda sponsor in Caracas used a pack I had about a month ago and knew it well from her country. Very effective and this is what it does:
"What is POSTINOR-2 used for and how does it work.
POSTINOR-2 is an emergency contraceptive that can be used after unprotected sex or where a contraceptive method has failed. This type of contraception is often called "the morning-after pill".
Each pack contains two round, white tablets. Each tablet contains 750 micrograms of levonorgestrel, which is the active ingredient.
POSTINOR-2 also contains the inactive ingredients: potato starch, maize starch, colloidal silica anhydrous, magnesium stearate, talc and lactose monohydrate.
How does POSTINOR-2 work?
POSTINOR-2 is an emergency contraceptive which is taken after unprotected sex. It is estimated that POSTINOR-2 prevents about 85% of expected pregnancies and so will not prevent a pregnancy in every instance. It is thought to work by:
Stopping your ovaries from releasing an egg;
Preventing sperm from fertilising any egg you may have already released; or.
Stopping a fertilised egg from attaching itself to your womb lining.
POSTINOR-2 helps to stop a pregnancy before it is established. It does not work if you are already pregnant.
POSTINOR-2 can help to prevent you from getting pregnant, but you must take the first tablet within 72 hours (three days) of having unprotected sex. The tablets are more effective if they are taken as soon as possible after unprotected sex. You need to take the second tablet 12 hours (but no more than 16 hours) after the first."
BTW, you can accomplish the same thing by crushing up some birth control pills ("the early in the month" pills, not the "later in the month" placebos) taken twice.
Pro Fesseur
05-13-11, 20:45
For money cost though, I don't see it, unless you need to eat fine cuisine at the Landmark and buy weekly gifts to keep a normal girl. Which you don't. (Well, maybe in your 60s you do; I can't comment on that yet)..."Normal girls" are more expensive during the courtship (there is none usually with prostitutes). For many guys, they are more expensive too in the long term, especially in Thailand, as many end up buying major items (vehicle, land, house, etc.) for their regular girlfriend or wife, and are asked to help their girlfriend's or wife's family too.
But when we speak about women what is cream of the crop?For purpose of this chat cream of the crop is fairly simple. Aesthetically symmetrical features, slim, young, healthy, proportionate body, low amount of body fat, smooth nice skin, white eyes, sexy lips. Basically "Gorgeous"!
Exceptional genes. You can see this in every race.
I've never seen cream of the crop Thai pussy working in Nana, Cowboy, Patong, or Pattaya. The cream of the crop is kept by the Thais, unfortunatley.
Have a walk through Paragon and you'll see what I mean.
In the P4P areas, I see a good amount of girls I want to sleep with, but rarely do I see a girl I think is beautiful. The guys on here throw around praise for looks very liberally.
As an expat you can do P4P once a week and that's enough. Which isn't so expensive. Normal girls are more expensive because you end up spending more time with them.
Somewhere15
05-13-11, 23:43
Day 2.
Slept till after noon and then did normal thing till evening. Around 11 again went to bed super club met a guy from UK it was his 1st time in BKK so I gave him some moral support :P. There were group 4 smoking hot girls enjoying the music and drinks it was hard to tell they were working girls or not. They were not giving any attention of guys. So didn't gave it a try. Help that guy from UK to find a good girl and he was all set. I Moved to Q bar nothing exciting so finally moved to CM2. Saw one hot Uzbaki asked her whats her plan the reply was she already with customer &61516; oh that was disappointing casuse she was really hot almost 10/10. I could not find any thing better or same as her so I was really disappointed and was not really ready to compromise on quality.
It was time for cm2 to close so I moved to Shock 69. I was surprised to see all the non picked girls from the CM2 and bed super club where there. Including the group of girl whom I saw at Bedsuper club. Just approached one of the girls in that group she was 5'7' tall without heel and figure to die for. Smooth skin. Just said Hi and asked her is she interested in going out with me. She quoted 8000 bhats. Well I guess that's nice way to say no thank you I am not interested. Again I was disappointed and keep looking. Suddenly she came to me hold my hand and pulled me toward the bathroom. And told me she generally not go out with guys and she is here cause its weekend. But said that she will go with me and how much I will pay. I said I will pay 2000 short time she said no 3000 thousand I said yes and closed the deal.
She had a perfect English so communication was no problem. Back to my room. And when I saw he in light man I was floored. She got fair baby skin and not a single stretch mark. She told me that she is a event organiser and a part time model. When I told her that I saw her in Bed supper club and was about to approach her but decided not to do that at last moment. She said if I would have approached her there she would have said no to me. Because being a event organiser every 1 know her there. Its just that I like you that's why I am here in you room otherwise I don't go out like this.
She was priceless. For hours we had sex in each and every position. Only disappointing part is that its not easy to find such a fine girl in BKK at that cost. She has set my standard to new high. We exchanged no and she promise me that she is going to call me in afternoon so that we can have lunch together. And. Did she call?
In the P4P areas, I see a good amount of girls I want to sleep with, but rarely do I see a girl I think is beautiful. The guys on here throw around praise for looks very liberally.
As an expat you can do P4P once a week and that's enough. Which isn't so expensive. Normal girls are more expensive because you end up spending more time with them. Agreed 100. The longer I am here the fewer "stunners" I find in the Farang P4P scene. The eye changes quite a bit over a decade.
I dropped in Baccara on Wednesday night and as usual there were several that fit my taste. Within one drink I made contact with a superslim hottie named Oo (spelling?). I bought her a drink (160 baht) and played with her pussy while she sat on my lap. We agreed on 2000 baht ST. 600 baht bar fine. It seems the standard is that they must leave with at least two lady drinks. I argued the second drink, as I did not authorize it. They relented but it took a lot of effort. We walked to my hotel (Jasmine) and I did not have any problems getting through. We fucked for a solid hour. 69, kissing, BBBJ, multiple positions. A great time had by all, she looked a little sore after the much needed pounding I gave her.
On Thursday I bought a Sky Train all day pass, and did a walking tour of the city from the various stops. I have seen most of the traditional sights, so I tried this for some variety.
On my way back to Jasmine Hotel I tried Tulip Massage. 600 baht for 90 minutes, and Boom (spelling?) was ushered over to me. Normally, I would have insisted to pick but she looked fine enough. Thicker than my normal taste but I figured I would get a better, much needed massage. We showered, she took good care to get me nice and clean. A great massage followed with extensive ass licking. I think I am warming up to the experience after similar service in Hong Kong. BBBJ, cowgirl, missionary, followed by CIM. She did not seem to responsive to anal (I thought this was their specialty?) Overall a good experience, she was not my body type, but the massage was excellent. Her service charge was 1500.
I'm back to Bangkok in a few weeks, for a full week this time, I think I will try Annie's again and perhaps a pickup type bar.
For purpose of this chat cream of the crop is fairly simple. Aesthetically symmetrical features, slim, young, healthy, proportionate body, low amount of body fat, smooth nice skin, white eyes, sexy lips. Basically "Gorgeous"!
Exceptional genes. You can see this in every race.
I've never seen cream of the crop Thai pussy working in Nana, Cowboy, Patong, or Pattaya. The cream of the crop is kept by the Thais, unfortunatley.
Have a walk through Paragon and you'll see what I mean.Gorgeous is, of course, in the eye of the beholder. I've noticed that even what is sometimes called slim or young looking does not always look that way to me.
I seldom go to any area you listed, though saw a number 70 in Rainbow 4 recently that had one of the most beautiful faces I've ever seen & perhaps every other criterion you list. Likewise a NPL FL, with the same name of the singer of the group Endorphine, who BTW claims to have formerly worked in Rainbow 4. If you like starfish she should be fun. Up her donation from 1K to 2K and it will only be 50% starfishing. Maybe at 3K she would also put in a semi enthusiastic act.
Mr Enternational
05-14-11, 07:08
"Normal girls" are more expensive during the courtship (there is none usually with prostitutes). For many guys, they are more expensive too in the long term, especially in Thailand, as many end up buying major items (vehicle, land, house, etc.) for their regular girlfriend or wife, and are asked to help their girlfriend's or wife's family too.This only means that guys need to stop being suckers and falling for someone who only wants them for their money or material possessions. To me this is not a normal girl. I have NEVER had a nonpro in Thailand ask me for one satang for themselves and they definitely have not asked anything for family members. If they have ever asked me to bring them a certain thing then it has always been followed by,"I will give you the money for it when you get here." What you are describing to me is a hooker in normal girl's clothing. And I am not afraid to call them out if they rear their ugly head. Either you can be a hooker or you can be a girlfriend. You can not be both.
Also gifts. Where does all of this goodheartedness come from? I rarely give a chick anything for her birthday, and never anything like gold or diamonds. I have never given my own mother or daughter gold or diamonds. I will give them a coffee mug, a t-shirt, or in rare occaisions a pair of shoes maybe; but a car or house or cash money? You must be out of your fucking mind.
Mr Enternational
05-14-11, 07:33
For purpose of this chat cream of the crop is fairly simple. Aesthetically symmetrical features, slim, young, healthy, proportionate body, low amount of body fat, smooth nice skin, white eyes, sexy lips. Basically "Gorgeous"!So you assert that this "cream of the crop" only consists of physical attributes. You can put all of these combinations together and still have someone who is ugly as sin. This also takes for granted that everyone likes women who are young and slim which I doubt is the case.
Sure age, weight, and body fat can be quantitavely measured but the other things are purely subjective so their fit will vary from person to person."To me her lips are sexy but to you they are butt ugly and hideous." I would never choose a real world girlfriend soley on the physical attributes because these things have a high propensity for change. I would never choose a real girlfriend under 25 because until that age neither their minds nor bodies have not settled into who they will be for the long run. Think back to high school. At 18 she was elegant, but at the 10 year reunion she was an elephant.
I definitely would not choose a serious mate or girlfriend who has not at least finished high school. And she better have at least some university experience if she doesn't have a good job. I have an MBA and would look like a plum fool by being unequally yoked with a woman who has not even finished high school. The thing is that everybody's cream of the crop is different. You can point to magazine covers all you want, but that stuff is mostly make-up, hair styling, and airbrush. In other words smoke and mirrors. And the real world is not fantasy land.
Pro Fesseur
05-14-11, 07:35
I will give them a coffee mug, a t-shirt, or in rare occaisions a pair of shoes maybe; but a car or house or cash money? You must be out of your fucking mind.How long have you stayed in Thailand with the same "normal" girlfriend on a daily basis? I'm guessing that it has not been very long yet.
NicFrenchy
05-14-11, 07:44
Interesting conversations and viewpoints.
As far as I am concerned, I enjoy both. I may have the chance that, for me, money is not an issue. But I do not find non P4P girls to be that expensive.
Anyway, just do what you feel is good and don't lose sight of what is important in every relationship (P4P or Not) , HAVE FUN
To me every woman is average. Cream of the Crop / Quality is a term thrown around pretty loosely on this board when talking about women, whether pro or non-pro […]
But when we speak about women what is cream of the crop? Are we basing it on her level of education? How much money she has in the bank? How much money her parents have in the bank? How many friends she has? How old she is? How much she weighs? How tall she is? Her skin tone? The type of job she has? What material possessions she has? If she has kids or not? Or are we talking in terms of subjectivity here where to each his own and everyone has their own idea of what it is and it may vary?
I did not want to pursue the discussion started some time ago about the girls' real value on the local market, but it seems that some people here don't understand that yes, there are several objective criteria to evaluate it. It does not matter what your own taste is. Here, in Thailand, a girl with a fair complexion has more value than a similar girl whose skin is darker, a girl who has not been pregnant yet has more value than one who is already a mother, an 18-year old girl has more value than a more mature woman (by the way, many local girls consider that they are already old when they are over 25!), etc.
I much prefer eating mangoes (or guavas!) than durians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durian). That's great for me, because mangoes and guavas are much cheaper. As I know the market prices, I would never pay the price of durians for buying mangoes, even if for me, mangoes are more delicious.
Same thing for the local girls: a young tall slim fair-skinned university student originating from an upper-middle class family has much more value in Thailand than a mature dark-skinned undereducated mother coming from a poor rural village of Isaan. You might have more fun and better sex with the latter, but the former is higher placed on the local scale of girls' value, and it's obvious for everyone who has spent enough time in Thailand outside of the tourist-oriented zoos (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1147000&viewfull=1#post1147000).
Look at the “Sin Sot” (wedding dowry) amounts that the local males are disbursing to marry a Thai woman, and you will get a pretty good idea of what kinds of women are the “cream of the crop” and who are those that have very little value. You might disagree with their taste and criteria, but it doesn't change the fact that the market value of the local girls is not as subjective as you and other members might think.
... but a car or house or cash money? You must be out of your fucking mind.
That's what most rich Thais (for instance) do with their "mia noi" (= "mistress" or "second wife")!
The thing is that everybody's cream of the crop is different. You can point to magazine covers all you want, but that stuff is mostly make-up, hair styling, and airbrush. In other words smoke and mirrors. And the real world is not fantasy land.I'm not pointing to magazine covers. Just follow the money in BKK and you will see the cream of the crop and they are not hanging out with foreigners. They are hanging with rich Thais who are spending tons of cash on them. Thais have plenty of money these days to "keep" them exclusive.
Anyhow, I'm not saying that there aren't pretty, sexy women outside of the cream, its just that cream is at a level that very few, especially foreigners, can get. And that cream isn't going to go hang out with you and eat chicken rice on the cheap table on the side of the road with you on a first date. LOL.
So back to my original point: Cream of the crop Thai girls are more expensive than p4p girls. It's not rocket science!
NicFrenchy
05-14-11, 12:39
I'm not pointing to magazine covers. Just follow the money in BKK and you will see the cream of the crop and they are not hanging out with foreigners. They are hanging with rich Thais who are spending tons of cash on them. Thais have plenty of money these days to "keep" them exclusive.
Anyhow, I'm not saying that there aren't pretty, sexy women outside of the cream, its just that cream is at a level that very few, especially foreigners, can get. And that cream isn't going to go hang out with you and eat chicken rice on the cheap table on the side of the road with you on a first date. LOL.
So back to my original point: Cream of the crop Thai girls are more expensive than p4p girls. It's not rocket science! I love these debates. Hehehe.
But wait. Aren't these discussions why we were segregated to the Expats threads in the first place?
Careful guys, we have fucked up massage threads that are split in 3, an expat section for every post that is not about which is the cheapest ST joint and which girl blows the best in which bar. Thanks to the work of some crybabies on this forum, so if we don't want these fuckers to go cry to the admin, we should move this discussion to the Expat section.
That's what most rich Thais (for instance) do with their "mia noi" (= "mistress" or "second wife")!Same happens in China. When one is rich can dispose of his money the way he likes. And that is not going to add any fuel to the evergoing debate on prices. For sure!
... When one is rich can dispose of his money the way he likes...
Biased and incorrect deduction. Those rich Thais would never spend any money on girls of substandard quality (by local norms): their mistresses are usually not in the same league than what is available for the average foreigner in Thailand.
Again, it's all about the local market value of the girls. The rich Thais would not spend a single baht for banging the girls (well, most of them) that one can see in the photo gallery and they would be absolutely ashamed of being seen in their company.
Don't underestimate the importance of not "losing face" in Southeast Asia: a rich Thai doesn't always spend his money the way he likes, but often considering the gain in status that he may obtain with his spendings (and then showing off his expensive car, beautiful house, white-skinned young mistress, etc.).
Mr Enternational
05-14-11, 15:38
On the advice of Nic I have continued the debate in the Expat thread.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1036-Thai-Women-Opinions-amp-Advice&p=1155133&viewfull=1#post1155133
Biased and incorrect deduction. Those rich Thais would never spend any money on girls of substandard quality (by local norms) : their mistresses are usually not in the same league than what is available for the average foreigner in Thailand.
Again, it's all about the local market value of the girls. The rich Thais would not spend a single baht for banging the girls (well, most of them) that one can see in the photo gallery and they would be absolutely ashamed of being seen in their company.
Don't underestimate the importance of not "losing face" in Southeast Asia: a rich Thai doesn't always spend his money the way he likes, but often considering the gain in status that he may obtain with his spendings (and then showing off his expensive car, beautiful house, white-skinned young mistress, etc.). I agree on this.
But the example started from "how much one man (rich local guy) can put to have a second wife or a date": my point ws simialr: they have their own standard and can care the less of the market based on our standards. That market has different standards"
Hello! I have been planning my first trip to BK, and have gotten much great info from this forum. Thank you all.
I would like to ask, though, if anyone has recently been to Rose Massage, Sukhumvit Soi 22. I searched the forum but only saw report / references from 2009. Which seems like lots of time for things to change. They (of course) have a lovely gallery, but we all know how great photoshop can be.
Thanks in advance! I'll put up reports of my trip (first 2 weeks of June-hey, it's when I could go.) when I get back.
LS
Why continue this in the expat thread? Do you assume non-expats can't get non-pros? Wrong assumption.
As an expat you can do P4P once a week and that's enough. Which isn't so expensive. Normal girls are more expensive because you end up spending more time with them.But then you have to compare that price-wise with meeting your normal girlfriend once a week as well, which isn't very usual. The average guy sleeps with his girl more than once a week.
This only means that guys need to stop being suckers and falling for someone who only wants them for their money or material possessions.+1.
How long have you stayed in Thailand with the same "normal" girlfriend on a daily basis? I'm guessing that it has not been very long yet.
The question wasn't for me but I'll comment anyway ;)
My experience in Thailand is limited but I've lived in China for a long time, where a lot of people will also tell you it's impossible to keep a girl for a long time without spending money on her, gifts, fancy dinners etc. It hasn't been my experience there at all. Not at all.
So far in Thailand I can't say that I've needed to spend much to keep my non-pros happy. In fact I've been fucking with a pro for free for weeks now (and going dutch on everything we do outside the bedroom). It all depends on what you bring to the table. I love spending my time with women and making them happy . Not by buying them gifts but by giving them a good time. They are happy with me, and thus don't feel like they need to be paid for it.
Some guys like PinkPearl commented below, can't stand being with girls except for sex, which I would imagine doesn't make them the best companion (and I don't mean this as a personal attack, PinkPearl. To each his own. I'm sure you are better than me at a poker table.). In that case creating a connection is harder and money might be needed to keep a girl interested for a long time.
There seem to be a lot of guys who can't give a girl a good time to save their lives, and who comment on how it's impossible to keep a girl without paying her. Well duh.
Mr Enternational
05-14-11, 17:17
Why continue this in the expat thread? Do you assume non-expats can't get non-pros? Wrong assumption.Not at all, but the point is not to junk up the thread for regular mongers who are looking for P4P in BKK. But here is a copy of what I put in that thread.
The debate was started whether a non-pro woman is more expensive than P4P. I can only speak for myself when I say that when the debate was started I was not aware that we were talking about high society non-pros versus whatever type of pro. I never dated rich women in my home country so why would I normally do it in Thailand. Sure we can agree that dating Angelina Jolie or Naomi Campbell we would spend more money than LT with #43 at Rainbow Bar. But how many farang in Thailand are dating or have dated a woman as such here or back home? When I entered into the debate I understood by "non-pro" we were talking about everyday office workers, nurses, schoolteachers, etc. I did not know the debate was to include college students who are driving their father's Rolls Royce or 25 year old corporate executives who are making millions of baht per year.
I am from an average middle class family and have noticed that for the most part people around the world date within their own socioeconomic group. I still hold fast to my observation, experience and hypothesis that a non-pro Thai woman is not as expensive as P4P. If a woman already comes from money why the hell would she need money and gifts from you? It seems to reason that whatever she wanted she could buy for herself or her family would provide for her.
Again, I have been coming to Thailand for 5 years and have been living here 1 year. I am not the settling down type, but of 3 non-pros who I have been involved with consistently over the last 4 years (one is in real estate, one is a school teacher, and one is a government worker) they have never once asked me for any money or any gifts, unless it was something small for their birthday. And even then they could care less what the present was. Sure they have told me many times that they want to marry me and I have told them just as many times that I don't want to get married. But I have never had any of them or any other non-pro ask me for money or gifts. I even have a friend who I have known for the same 4 years that wants me to make a baby with her, yet does not want me to support the baby, raise the baby or even see the baby thereafter. The only thing a real non-pro has ever asked of me was my time.
To me asking for money or gifts is skating in P4P territory. And the several Thais that I have had this talk with have said the same. Maybe the guy starts off trying to play Mr. Big Money and is forced to stay the course. Maybe the girl is just a bi*tch (read working girl) to begin with. If you run out of money and the woman is still with you then that is a non-pro. But if you run out of money or stop spending money and likewise went your Thai girl then she was never non-pro to begin with. She was with your money, not with you.
.when the debate was started I was not aware that we were talking about high society non-pros versus whatever type of pro.That's not what we were talking about at the beginning; we were talking about pros vs non-pros in general.
If a woman already comes from money why the hell would she need money and gifts from you? It seems to reason that whatever she wanted she could buy for herself or her family would provide for her.I would agree. I've dated several rich girls (not in Thailand though, but in Asia and elsewhere) and money was not an issue at all. One shouldn't confuse the gold-diggers who walk around Siam Paragon with the real Hi-so girls. If you have been Hi-so from birth, you couldn't care less about being taken to brunch at the Sukohtai. You've been there a thousand times before. Yes, for marriage they might want a rich or highly accomplished guy due to family expectations, for dating or fun though, in my experience money matters very little to them. They can buy all the fun they want with daddy's credit card.
Pro Fesseur
05-14-11, 18:37
In fact I've been fucking with a pro for free for weeks now (and going dutch on everything we do outside the bedroom).
With a pro, not with a "normal girl". That's not unusual to get freebies with pros, especially when you still are a young and attractive guy. They easily earn much more money than the average "normal girl" and because they usually are undereducated and come from a poor family, the only way for them to earn some respect (or face) in this country is to flash their cash. It is also sometimes an investment for the future and she's probably hoping that you will marry her someday.
Pro Fesseur
05-14-11, 18:55
One shouldn't confuse the gold-diggers who walk around Siam Paragon with the real Hi-so girls...The real Hi-So girls don't go out with the average foreigner in Thailand. Very few foreigners have the money and the connections to meet a real Hi-So girl in Asia.
I've dated several rich girls (not in Thailand though, but in Asia and elsewhere) and money was not an issue at all. One shouldn't confuse the gold-diggers who walk around Siam Paragon with the real Hi-so girls. If you have been Hi-so from birth, you couldn't care less about being taken to brunch at the Sukohtai. You've been there a thousand times before. Yes, for marriage they might want a rich or highly accomplished guy due to family expectations, for dating or fun though, in my experience money matters very little to them. They can buy all the fun they want with daddy's credit card.You have no experience dating rich Thai girls, so how do you know what rich Thai girls want?
That's not unusual to get freebies with pros, especially when you still are a young and attractive guy.Every pro in the whole fucking world fucks some guys for free. It's human nature. It's nothing special really!
Every pro in the whole fucking world fucks some guys for free. It's human nature. It's nothing special really!Agreed, have got a few from a few, but you can't assume with pros. You want to be told explicitly that you don't have to pay anything, so there are no misunderstandings, unless you have a standing arrangement that all sex is free.
I experienced one, where still was expected to pay her at her work place, due to using up her earning hours, but those outside of her working hours were free. Gets a bit confusing.
In the end it averaged out to be a discount, sort of. Even when you get freebies, you still end up spending money on the girl one way or another.
To me asking for money or gifts is skating in P4P territory. And the several Thais that I have had this talk with have said the same.This seems like rubbish to me to lump asking for money and asking for gifts in the same basket.
Girls in general like gifts, pro or not, Thai or Farang, rich or poor, and if they know you well are likely to either hint or suggest,"if you love me, I would really like.". Gifts are very normal for New Year, Birthdays, St Valentines day, and even on no special occasion.
Continuous requests, especially for gold, is another matter altogether, and is definitely pro behaviour.
I have also experienced requests to borrow money from non-Pro Thais in desperate situations. The big problem is that its unlikely to be repaid in full. Thais are very unreliable at paying back loans, so you must assume that you are being asked for a donation, mostly.
Cynics like me don't see massive differences between pros and girls marrying for money. Normally a pro would be quite willing to retire and marry for money.
It is nice though, when a pro wants to spend her free time with you and fuck for free, just because she really needs someone to care and she really likes the sex.
The debate was started whether a non-pro woman is more expensive than P4P. I can only speak for myself when I say that when the debate was started I was not aware that we were talking about high society non-pros versus whatever type of pro [...]
Again, I have been coming to Thailand for 5 years and have been living here 1 year. I am not the settling down type, but of 3 non-pros who I have been involved with consistently over the last 4 years (one is in real estate, one is a school teacher, and one is a government worker) they have never once asked me for any money or any gifts, unless it was something small for their birthday. And even then they could care less what the present was. Sure they have told me many times that they want to marry me and I have told them just as many times that I don't want to get married. But I have never had any of them or any other non-pro ask me for money or gifts. I even have a friend who I have known for the same 4 years that wants me to make a baby with her, yet does not want me to support the baby, raise the baby or even see the baby thereafter...
You probably haven't stayed with a “normal woman” long enough… or you only go out with local women who don't have much hope anymore in upgrading their own status on the social ladder (for instance, mature divorcees with children).
In Thailand, it's very important for a woman to get married to someone (or having a regular boyfriend) of at least the same status, but usually of a better one, than herself. Even with Thai men, a woman will try to gain something in the relationship (wealth and/or a better position in the society being the most common goals). Why would a Thai woman have a relationship with a foreigner if she does not gain anything, especially if the foreigner is much older, not very attractive, does not speak her language, does not share the same values nor the same interests in life, doesn't know much about her culture (which is, you must admit it, quite often the case here)?
In most cases, the main appeal of a foreigner is his (relative) wealth compared to those of the local guys (the men that this specific “normal woman” could get married to, and if a woman can espouse a rich Thai man, she usually won't be available to the average foreigners). Sooner or later, a “normal woman” who is in a relationship with a foreigner will naturally obtain what she wants (or the relationship does not last long): a better status in life and/or some material possessions, in accordance to her value on the local market (at least, and better if she can).
It could be more or less costly to entertain a “normal woman” depending on the length of the relationship and of the woman's status in the Thai society, for instance, but it's also more or less expensive to have sex with a P4P equivalent (in looks, as it's mainly this criteria that is really important on the P4P market) of the “normal woman” with whom you have a relationship.
Look at the “normal women” that most foreigners go out with. They are usually far than being placed very high on the Thai social ladder (or they are mature divorcees with children, for instance), which means that they have very little value on the local market (they know it, and are therefore low-maintenance women). So, their P4P counterparts are not the most expensive escort girls, but rather the cheap freelancers or brothel-based sex workers. Those are the girls that a long-term resident can usually fuck for as low as 300 or 500 baht (you will find them for instance in Chinatown in Bangkok, on Beach Road in Pattaya, among the streetwalkers or in a local brothel in probably every province, etc.) or even cheaper.
By the way, the discussion was not only about the cost of a relationship with a “hi-so” girl. What was said is that if you want to fuck young and attractive (by local standards) girls, it's often more costly with (allegedly) “non-pro” than with prostitutes, especially for the average foreigner who is often much older, less attractive (etc.) than the girls that he wants to have sex with. It's of course probably less true if you are going out with older and less attractive women (again, according to the local standards).
But even with those older and less attractive women, the more you stay with them, the less frequently you will fuck them, and the more you will have to spend money and time on various things that you would have not paid or done with prostitutes. For many people, it's not that easy to refuse to help someone with whom you are in a long-term relationship.
Many people end up marrying and/or having children with their long-term local girlfriend (and that's not unusual for them to then pay for some land, a car, a house, help her to start a business, etc.). Thai women can be very patient and they are not as stupid as some foreigners might think (they often are more clever than the average Joe when dealing with feelings and are great relationship strategists). By the way, many "normal girls", even nowadays, wouldn't have sex before marriage in Thailand (and the groom must pay the wedding dowry before being granted the bride's sexual favors).
Oh, and call me a cynic, but I would not believe a woman who asks me to make her a baby and who says that I won't have to take care of the child later… Just do it, and tell us in twenty years how costly was the experience!
That market has different standards...
No. There is only one standard for the real value of Thai women on the local market. But many foreigners are taken advantage of in the tourist-oriented zoos and end up paying inflated prices for substandard quality. Not only on the P4P market, by the way...
With a pro, not with a "normal girl".No, I've been in Asia for a decade and had the attitude described with all my girls, the vast majority of them non-pros. It is simply not true in my experience that you have to spend a lot on a girl (Asian or not) to keep her interested. Unless maybe one doesn't know how to treat a girl, or one is 70 years old and 100 pounds overweight and has to compensate for that.
I understand that a lot of readers on this board are older and maybe not interested in spending time and emotional investment in a girl, and prefer to just buy sexual services. Nothing wrong with that, that's what this board is for, to purchase sexual services from pros. But it doesn't mean it's impossible to have a girl (pro or not) like you for you, and want you for you. It doesn't mean it's accurate to assume that all women (including non-pros) are after money. Nothing could be further from the truth IMHO.
Women are just human beings and they want someone fun and someone who cares. This is more important to them than money in most cases (with the exceptions of hardened pros and gold-diggers, a very small minority of all women). It is therefore very possible to have a girl like you and stay with you even while spending very little money. Even if she has other guys throwing more money at her than you ever will.
Opposing views are always welcome but the above has been my experience, and verified over and over again for a pretty long time by now.
It depends on the quality of the girl.
In BKK, if you want the cream of the crop non-pro chicks (vast majority aren't interested in foreigners) , it would cost more. If you want average girls, then yes it would be cheaper than playing the pro market. I have a list of girls I can bang anytime and for pretty much free, with just the cost of a meal and movie BUT they are either not very pretty or a bit overweight.
Thailand has a whole hoard of unattractive women who cannot get fucked by Thais who are desperate to land a farang and get some sex as they know some older farang men will compromise on beauty for cheap sex.
Thats the trouble with these forums, people compare apples to pears and melons to oranges and why there will always be misunderstanding and disagreement.
If you want a pretty little Thai girl on your arm, for dinner, movies, shopping and sex its going to cost you a whole lot more money than simply banging a working girl. And a different one each night if you want.
There was a time recently when I was in a bar and 10 of the girls I had banged in the past, and I left with another new one. Thats the pleasure of P4P.
I 100% agree! Usually non working girls end up much more than working girl. Not to mentioned if feeling is involve at the end.
Best is to take different girls every night and no string attached.
I like this phrase" you pay them to go away after the sex"
Cheers,
MDIts the concept that those who do not monger, or monger very little cannot comprehend.
I pay the girl to go away.
By taking the money and departing she has no claim to call me unless I want to call her, she has no claim to speak to me next time she see's me unless I want to speak to her. She has provided a service, I have paid and now she goes away.
They say you pay for sex. No. Wrong. You pay the girl to go away and leave you able to enjoy hot sex with absolutely no emotional or any other kind of attachment before or after the event.
Ghatotkach
05-15-11, 04:12
No, I've been in Asia for a decade and had the attitude described with all my girls, the vast majority of them non-pros. It is simply not true in my experience that you have to spend a lot on a girl (Asian or not) to keep her interested. Unless maybe one doesn't know how to treat a girl, or one is 70 years old and 100 pounds overweight and has to compensate for that.
I understand that a lot of readers on this board are older and maybe not interested in spending time and emotional investment in a girl, and prefer to just buy sexual services. Nothing wrong with that, that's what this board is for, to purchase sexual services from pros. But it doesn't mean it's impossible to have a girl (pro or not) like you for you, and want you for you. It doesn't mean it's accurate to assume that all women (including non-pros) are after money. Nothing could be further from the truth IMHO.
Women are just human beings and they want someone fun and someone who cares. This is more important to them than money in most cases (with the exceptions of hardened pros and gold-diggers, a very small minority of all women). It is therefore very possible to have a girl like you and stay with you even while spending very little money. Even if she has other guys throwing more money at her than you ever will.
Opposing views are always welcome but the above has been my experience, and verified over and over again for a pretty long time by now. Chill Out has made a very valid observation. I have been visiting Thailand for a long many years now. Like most of us, I started with a greater inclination towards the P4P girls. You meet all kinds of women and some experiences are good and others forgettable. Over the years, I realized that it does work out better if one goes with the same girl. It adds a level of comfort and one does get better service.
Of late, however, I have made friends with some ladies who are not part of the regular P4P circles. They run their own businesses or have regular jobs. For the past couple of years, I have been taking a lady who runs her own business out to various places for a holiday. It works fine: she enjoys a break as much as I do. The payout is not much and she does not expect any extras. She takes very good care of me in all respects and I get to learn more about the country and its people through her.
Perhaps looking beyond the P4P circles has some advantages!
Pro Fesseur
05-15-11, 04:55
But it doesn't mean it's impossible to have a girl (pro or not) like you for you, and want you for you. It doesn't mean it's accurate to assume that all women (including non-pros) are after money. Nothing could be further from the truth IMHO...
In most species (it applies to the human race too), females are looking for security. That's true in Thailand, in China (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-12/17/content_11715582.htm), everywhere around the world, and for women, security translates in money and/or power.
Purely selfless relationships do exist between young persons, but later, most women tend to be more interested in security than fun, at least when they are still able (or willing to) procreate. Many young adult women want to get married to (or have children with) a wealthy enough man who will take care of them and satisfy their (emotional, but also material) needs and that's usually when a "normal woman" starts to become more costly on a per fuck basis than a prostitute.
Saying that non-pros (especially Asian women for whom gaining face is very important) are not after money shows that you don't understand this part of the world very well or are still very young and have not been yet in a serious and long enough relationship with a local "non-pro" girl.
Its the concept that those who do not monger, or monger very little cannot comprehend.
I pay the girl to go away.
By taking the money and departing she has no claim to call me unless I want to call her, she has no claim to speak to me next time she see's me unless I want to speak to her. She has provided a service, I have paid and now she goes away.
They say you pay for sex. No. Wrong. You pay the girl to go away and leave you able to enjoy hot sex with absolutely no emotional or any other kind of attachment before or after the event. So true so true!
In most species (it applies to the human race too) , females are looking for security. That's true in Thailand, in China:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-12/17/content_11715582.htm
Everywhere around the world, and for women, security translates in money and / or power.
Purely selfless relationships do exist between young persons, but later, most women tend to be more interested in security than fun, at least when they are still able (or willing to) procreate. Many young adult women want to get married to (or have children with) a wealthy enough man who will take care of them and satisfy their (emotional, but also material) needs and that's usually when a "normal woman" starts to become more costly on a per fuck basis than a prostitute.
Saying that non-pros (especially Asian women for whom gaining face is very important) are not after money shows that you don't understand this part of the world very well or are still very young and have not been yet in a serious and long enough relationship with a local "non-pro" girl. I have to agree on your statement and know that women getting beyond the 30ties tend to rate security and wealth of the partner or father to be miles above age and good looks. This is as well in the Western World but also in Asia true. On a straight forward costing point P4P might be the cheaper option in many cases. So let's enjoy our hobby and the offers Bangkok has to make!
Google for the book 'Sexploitation'. There are some classic quotes and wisdom in there. Broadly, women want the 'best deal'. Sometimes the law is used to alter the natural rules of the jungle. Sometimes men and women have misplaced valuations on their worth. The good thing about LOS is that it is a free market. It may not be about money now, but come splitsville in 1, 10, or more years, it IS all about money.
Enjoy Pattaya. Free of bullshit, and a standout of free market success in action.
The real Hi-So girls don't go out with the average foreigner in Thailand. Very few foreigners have the money and the connections to meet a real Hi-So girl in Asia.Hi-so girls won't go for foreigners even if said foreigner has money. I've lived in Thailand for 4 years and I very very rarely see a beautiful Hi-so girl with a foreigner, and even then, they are nothing to shout about. The girls like you see on the magazine covers want nothing to do with us, and most Hi-so girls won't even look at us. Foreigners are considered to be beneath them. They want to marry a rich Thai guy (preferably Thai-Chinese) with white skin. Keep in mind that Thais want to marry their own kind (much like Korea. They want a "pure blood" race) and being with a foreigner will cause them to lose face. Don't kid yourself into thinking that you're rescuing these girls from poverty. The Isaan girls go with us because they want money and they know that they have little chance of landing a good Thai man (most Isaan men a scum of the earth). But the Bangkok girls who are tall, white, and have good jobs and good families? Forget it. Like I said, they won't even look at us.
I did go out with a Hi-so girl for a few months. She was pretty, but she was not beautiful. She was a bit short and about 3 kgs overweight. Honestly it was a nightmare. The amount of money I spent on the slight possibility that she'd fuck me was insane. I quickly lost interest.
I pay the girl to go away.Not me. I pay the girl to come and have fun with me. I enjoy a woman's company. To each his own. :)
I have a list of girls I can bang anytime and for pretty much free, with just the cost of a meal and movie BUT they are either not very pretty or a bit overweight.My free pro charges 4K for 90 mins in a high-end shop in BKK and 6 to 10 K (usually 8K) a night when she freelances. I've seen (and answered myself) enough SMS from her clients to know this is true. So she is hot enough. So were the few non-pros I had on this trip.
At one point I moved into a non-pro's home because she wanted me to be closer to her and save on hotel costs. I stayed at her seaview bungalow for 10 days, no paying a dime on accommodation. No extravagant gifts or costly dinners were asked, or offered. I did buy her a little gift for 150 baths or so, and bought her some dinners and massages. She bought me another small gift and bought me some dinners and massages. We came out around even in the end.
It's not all about money.
If you want a pretty little Thai girl on your arm, for dinner, movies, shopping and sex its going to cost you a whole lot more money than simply banging a working girl.Just not true. If I had had to pay the non-pro I just mentioned for every night I spent with her, based on 15 nights or so x 2000 LT, that's 30K. Based on 3K LT, that's 45K. Based on 4000 LT, that's 60K. In what world do you spend that much on a normal girl in 2 weeks? I don't think I ended up even 1000 baths in the red. Even a single LT night in BKK would have been more costly.
BTW the girl was front desk management in a nice hotel. She wasn't hired for being ugly. ;) University grad, too.
What is the mathematical argument to say non-pros are more expensive? I still haven't seen it. Let's use 2K a night LT, which is certainly a discount rate already for girls that are "not overweight or ugly". Let's say you don't pay for any beers or anything else when you do P4P. And again that's a stretch. So you have a 2K budget. Do you really need to spend 2K on a normal girl, every time you meet her, to get somewhere? If not then where is the "more expensive" argument coming from?
There was a time recently when I was in a bar and 10 of the girls I had banged in the past, and I left with another new one. Thats the pleasure of P4P.No disagreement here. :)
Purely selfless relationships do exist between young persons, but later, most women tend to be more interested in security than funHere you do have a point. Girls over 27-28, in Asia, start to worry about marriage. They do look for security. In my experience it still doesn't mean you have to wine and dine them that much. But it does mean they will screen you out early if you are a broke English teacher smoking pot. Their standards become higher. And they need a commitment quicker.
But you are just changing the terms of the argument here. We weren't talking about P4P vs 29-year-olds who want to get married, we were talking P4P vs non-pros. There are plenty, plenty of 18-26 years-old non-pros in Asia who will be glad to be with you for you, no money needed.
I have had pretty good luck with fresh massage place girls before they get jaded. I had one girl from Pattaya who was just 18 and got a job at a massage parlor. I guess I met her within first few days of her work. She was a virgin and we were together for two years. Did not cost me much money except I had to pay some money to her work place to take her on vacations to Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam etc. She was not money hungry and was well satisfied with small gifts. In the course of two years she had learned the trick of making money. She is very pretty with white skin from northern Thailand.
After ablout a year I senses that she was selling herself to customers and could see the change. Since I was not planning to marry her or support her I did not make a issue of it.
All normal girls will be the same. Initially they will not be jaded but once they find out how to make or demand money and expensive gifts they change. After they change they will not be satisfied with small gifts.
But the fun is different with normal girls than p4p girls. We had very good time while it lasted.
Just spent 5 days on Solo Hotel, Suk 2. Just a walk to Nana Plaza. 1600 baht a day (through Agoda). No joiner fee and no odd looks when you bring girls. They get the ID of the girl and always call to your room before giving it back to her. I found this reasuring. It has a swimming pool at the roof with great views, large enouth to make exercise.
First time I visited the gogo bars, and still not sure if I like them, but definitely a intense experience. I would recommend specially Mandarin, low floor. The girls are supposed to be "second class", dark skin (all the people go to the second floor) but they really now how to create an intense and sexual ambient. Be careful as there is a LB hanging around there.
Regarding the price, I found there's a long way to follow, and you can definitely get away paying much less than it is said. But you risk crosing the fine line between having a good time with a girl and woman trafficking so I'm not going to extend much in this. In general I think is best to pay what you are asked and avoid places with too much discipline.
Hope this help you enjoy your time with these angels. Now time for me to go back to another world.
I've spent about 25% of my time in Thailand (mostly Bangkok) the past couple years. My focus has never been getting banged for the absolute minimum buck, although I do value price / performance. I like to have a good time, and great sex is part of that. I've had what I consider great successes and great failures. I still have enough game to meet and succeed with non-p4p ladies. There's something for everyone in Bangkok and one person's cherry might be another person's lemon. So here are my random observations, take them for what they are worth. And I'm sorry if this is too long.
The GoGo bars. There's so much talk of the goo bars on this forum. If it's your first time to BKK you should go. Standard costs are 500/600b bar fine and 1500 short time / 2500 long time plus all of the drinks you buy. In my opinion, these girls seem the most jaded / worn out. I haven't been wowed by a dancer. By the time you have some drinks, buy the girls drinks, pay the bar fine etc, the gogo bars are not all that cheap. Maybe I've just had bad luck with them. And the girl you thought was an 8 on stage is really a 6 when you get her home. For me there are better options. However, I did have a great time with a couple of the ladies that work out in front of Shark pulling customers in. Having said all that, I can still have fun at these places periodically even if I don't take a girl home.
Massage Parlors. I didn't go to any of these places for a long time. I suspect that a shop that is great today might suck tomorrow as girls leave and move on. Once I was taking cover from a monsoon down pour at Thonglor station and noticed Tulip massage. I thought what the hell. Went in, the ladies weren't attractive, but I was horny and it was raining so I went for it. I was less than impressed and will not go back. Sleazy facilities. Based on posts I read on this site, I ordered take out from Mango a couple of times (Apple and Cherry individually). I have to say they are way up there on the price / performance scale. Both are a lot of fun and enjoy their work. I visited the Mango shop once and did not care for the facilities. I'd rather order take out. I've also been to Pink and EZ on soi 24. EZ was OK, facilities not great, but it was OK. No real desire to go back. At Pink I had a great time. Splurged for their large room with a hot tub and the girl, whose name I forget, she loved sex. I think she appreciated the large room. Paid for two hours but stayed for three, then the lady down stairs wanted more money for staying too long. Too bad for her. In general, I thought Pink had a nice line up of girls.
Amsterdam: This is an upscale (relative to soi 24) massage place that caters to Japanese. It used to be called Champs-Elysées. It was recommended by a friend that has way too much money. The rooms are large, have whirlpools, and the girls can be very nice. I've been here 4 times and twice I left without choosing a girl. Costs are 3000-5000 for 2 hours in a nice room with a whirlpool and mattress for a soapy massage. I like the soapy massages. Each time I paid it was a bit over 4000, after negotiating from 5000. Please, no complaints. Both girls were fantastic. In selling one of the girls to me, the mamasan claimed one posed for the Thai Penthouse magazine. I didn't believe her but I cross examined the young lady once we were in the room and she volunteered that she had posed for the magazine. She looked good enough to be in the magazine. It really didn't matter as I had a fantastic time with her. A few months later I ran into her at Spasso and had an even better time, minus the soapy.
Q-Bar / Bed Supperclub: If you are into the type of scene (DJ's, loud music, browsed, bumping, dancing, hip music) these venues offer they can be a lot of fun. These are places where you can have fun with hot women, dancing, drinking, and then take them home at the end of the night. Some girls will have their own bottles of whiskey / vodka. Try to hook up with some of them and you may be drinking for free! Q-Bar on ladies night, Wednesdays I think, is packed with woman after midnight. And you might just get a freebie for the night or more. Or you may be negotiating.
Spasso / Barsu / five star hotel bars: You can find some really nice ladies at these bars. There is crossover between these and the Q-Bar / Bed supperclub scene. I've never paid more than 3500b at these places, although some girls will ask more a lot more. During a stay at a five star hotel, I was taking my then girl friend back to her car. As we walked through the lobby and I saw a girl that looked 1/2 thai and 1/2 brazilian walk into the lobby bar. So after I kissed my girl good bye in the garage, I darted to my room, dressed respectably, and raced back down to the bar. My guess was wrong. This girl was from Madagascar. We left and she took me out to a couple of bars before we returned to my hotel for a great night. While walking with her to the elevator the next morning, she starts crying. I ask what's wrong and she weeps "I usually get money for doing this". I acted dumfounded and gave her 2500b. She was back later in the afternoon. Which leads me to:
Negotiating: I never bring up price. More than once I have had a lady from hotel bars spend the night without price coming up first. And one of the girls from the Sharks front porch too, minus the bar fine. If you get them to bed without price first coming up you won the negotiation. If a girl is too hung up on price I pass. There's always another girl or another night. That's one of the reasons I prefer the hotel bar or club scene. I think I can get a better feel for attitude. Some girls want nothing other than the money, other want the money but are interested having some fun too. I've developed "relationships" with a couple of ladies from these places that enjoy going out for food / drinks and "free" sex, occasionally. I think even the freelancers at places like Spasso or Q-bar desire to maintain somewhat of a slice of normal life or at least a perception of one.
And anywhere: try your luck anywhere. Try to strike up a conversation. I've been lucky at food carts of all places. No kidding. Just play dumb and ask a good looking lady "what's that your ordering" or "is that good". Get the conversation started. Worst case scenario she looks at you like the fool you are. Best case scenario you get a dinner date with a local that can show you things in Bangkok that you will never find on your own and maybe she spends the night or more. In both of my successes I was in non-tourist areas and certainly not the Nana / Patpong / Soi Cowboy corridors.
Escorts: Is a 4000 or 5000b escort really that much more expensive than a goo bar girl? Considering the time you invest in going to a bar, getting there, drinks, etc. I do not think so. Escortpictures. Com has decent Bangkok ladies. Kitty and Candy on that site are fantastic. It's been a while since I've seen them and their rates have gone up. Used to be 4000b for a few hours. You could be comfortable with either of them at a social function early in the evening and then have your private porn session later on. And they are genuinely fun ladies. If you are in town for business for a couple days or your schedule is tight, I think escortpictures is a good option. There's an escort named Kai that is on escortpictures and has her own site. She looks smoking hot in her pictures and is expensive. I made an appointment with her. She showed up and I was so underwhelmed. Her photos are fake or a different lady showed. I asked her to leave. No problems, didn't ask for taxi money, I walked over to Spasso for the night. I've had success with a couple of others from escort pictures at 3500b and 4000b. Yes, I know I can go find someone on Sukhumvit near Nana for 1000b, but that's not my thing.
Beergarden: Not a bad place for a cold 3PM beer. It's rare that you will find a darling here but if you are looking for a cheap mid afternoon damp spot this might be your place. It's such a scene to take in. I did take a cutie from here one Sunday afternoon. Short girl, clean, very well spoken English, seemed out of place there, and no mention of price! I saw her a couple of times since.
Climax / Insomnia: What a scene in these after hours clubs. If you are up for a long night. 5AM or 6AM I think they are worth a visit.
(Escorts: Is a 4000 or 5000b escort really that much more expensive than a goo bar girl? Considering the time you invest in going to a bar, getting there, drinks, etc. I do not think so. Escortpictures. Com has decent Bangkok ladies. Kitty and Candy on that site are fantastic.)
When I attempt to pull up "Escortpictures. Com" I don't get any direct hit. Any chance this site is no longer in service or has been renamed?
Bloodstock
05-16-11, 02:09
Leaving for Bangkok in about a month, and I have to say that I found much of interest in your post. I tend to favor places like Gullivers or other pool places earlier in the evening to later move on to Spice Club / Climax or Insomnia later on. Guess that's my thing =) Although, after reading your post you have given me some alternatives to look into.
Thanks again!
I've spent about 25% of my time in Thailand (mostly Bangkok) the past couple years. My focus has never been getting banged for the absolute minimum buck, although I do value price / performance. I like to have a good time, and great sex is part of that. I've had what I consider great successes and great failures. I still have enough game to meet and succeed with non-p4p ladies. There's something for everyone in Bangkok and one person's cherry might be another person's lemon. So here are my random observations, take them for what they are worth. And I'm sorry if this is too long.
The GoGo bars. There's so much talk of the goo bars on this forum. If it's your first time to BKK you should go. Standard costs are 500/600b bar fine and 1500 short time / 2500 long time plus all of the drinks you buy. In my opinion, these girls seem the most jaded / worn out. I haven't been wowed by a dancer. By the time you have some drinks, buy the girls drinks, pay the bar fine etc, the gogo bars are not all that cheap. Maybe I've just had bad luck with them. And the girl you thought was an 8 on stage is really a 6 when you get her home. For me there are better options. However, I did have a great time with a couple of the ladies that work out in front of Shark pulling customers in. Having said all that, I can still have fun at these places periodically even if I don't take a girl home.
Massage Parlors. I didn't go to any of these places for a long time. I suspect that a shop that is great today might suck tomorrow as girls leave and move on. Once I was taking cover from a monsoon down pour at Thonglor station and noticed Tulip massage. I thought what the hell. Went in, the ladies weren't attractive, but I was horny and it was raining so I went for it. I was less than impressed and will not go back. Sleazy facilities. Based on posts I read on this site, I ordered take out from Mango a couple of times (Apple and Cherry individually). I have to say they are way up there on the price / performance scale. Both are a lot of fun and enjoy their work. I visited the Mango shop once and did not care for the facilities. I'd rather order take out. I've also been to Pink and EZ on soi 24. EZ was OK, facilities not great, but it was OK. No real desire to go back. At Pink I had a great time. Splurged for their large room with a hot tub and the girl, whose name I forget, she loved sex. I think she appreciated the large room. Paid for two hours but stayed for three, then the lady down stairs wanted more money for staying too long. Too bad for her. In general, I thought Pink had a nice line up of girls.
Amsterdam: This is an upscale (relative to soi 24) massage place that caters to Japanese. It used to be called Champs-Elysées. It was recommended by a friend that has way too much money. The rooms are large, have whirlpools, and the girls can be very nice. I've been here 4 times and twice I left without choosing a girl. Costs are 3000-5000 for 2 hours in a nice room with a whirlpool and mattress for a soapy massage. I like the soapy massages. Each time I paid it was a bit over 4000, after negotiating from 5000. Please, no complaints. Both girls were fantastic. In selling one of the girls to me, the mamasan claimed one posed for the Thai Penthouse magazine. I didn't believe her but I cross examined the young lady once we were in the room and she volunteered that she had posed for the magazine. She looked good enough to be in the magazine. It really didn't matter as I had a fantastic time with her. A few months later I ran into her at Spasso and had an even better time, minus the soapy.
Q-Bar / Bed Supperclub: If you are into the type of scene (DJ's, loud music, browsed, bumping, dancing, hip music) these venues offer they can be a lot of fun. These are places where you can have fun with hot women, dancing, drinking, and then take them home at the end of the night. Some girls will have their own bottles of whiskey / vodka. Try to hook up with some of them and you may be drinking for free! Q-Bar on ladies night, Wednesdays I think, is packed with woman after midnight. And you might just get a freebie for the night or more. Or you may be negotiating.
Spasso / Barsu / five star hotel bars: You can find some really nice ladies at these bars. There is crossover between these and the Q-Bar / Bed supperclub scene. I've never paid more than 3500b at these places, although some girls will ask more a lot more. During a stay at a five star hotel, I was taking my then girl friend back to her car. As we walked through the lobby and I saw a girl that looked 1/2 thai and 1/2 brazilian walk into the lobby bar. So after I kissed my girl good bye in the garage, I darted to my room, dressed respectably, and raced back down to the bar. My guess was wrong. This girl was from Madagascar. We left and she took me out to a couple of bars before we returned to my hotel for a great night. While walking with her to the elevator the next morning, she starts crying. I ask what's wrong and she weeps "I usually get money for doing this". I acted dumfounded and gave her 2500b. She was back later in the afternoon. Which leads me to:
Negotiating: I never bring up price. More than once I have had a lady from hotel bars spend the night without price coming up first. And one of the girls from the Sharks front porch too, minus the bar fine. If you get them to bed without price first coming up you won the negotiation. If a girl is too hung up on price I pass. There's always another girl or another night. That's one of the reasons I prefer the hotel bar or club scene. I think I can get a better feel for attitude. Some girls want nothing other than the money, other want the money but are interested having some fun too. I've developed "relationships" with a couple of ladies from these places that enjoy going out for food / drinks and "free" sex, occasionally. I think even the freelancers at places like Spasso or Q-bar desire to maintain somewhat of a slice of normal life or at least a perception of one.
And anywhere: try your luck anywhere. Try to strike up a conversation. I've been lucky at food carts of all places. No kidding. Just play dumb and ask a good looking lady "what's that your ordering" or "is that good". Get the conversation started. Worst case scenario she looks at you like the fool you are. Best case scenario you get a dinner date with a local that can show you things in Bangkok that you will never find on your own and maybe she spends the night or more. In both of my successes I was in non-tourist areas and certainly not the Nana / Patpong / Soi Cowboy corridors.
Escorts: Is a 4000 or 5000b escort really that much more expensive than a goo bar girl? Considering the time you invest in going to a bar, getting there, drinks, etc. I do not think so. Escortpictures. Com has decent Bangkok ladies. Kitty and Candy on that site are fantastic. It's been a while since I've seen them and their rates have gone up. Used to be 4000b for a few hours. You could be comfortable with either of them at a social function early in the evening and then have your private porn session later on. And they are genuinely fun ladies. If you are in town for business for a couple days or your schedule is tight, I think escortpictures is a good option. There's an escort named Kai that is on escortpictures and has her own site. She looks smoking hot in her pictures and is expensive. I made an appointment with her. She showed up and I was so underwhelmed. Her photos are fake or a different lady showed. I asked her to leave. No problems, didn't ask for taxi money, I walked over to Spasso for the night. I've had success with a couple of others from escort pictures at 3500b and 4000b. Yes, I know I can go find someone on Sukhumvit near Nana for 1000b, but that's not my thing.
Beergarden: Not a bad place for a cold 3PM beer. It's rare that you will find a darling here but if you are looking for a cheap mid afternoon damp spot this might be your place. It's such a scene to take in. I did take a cutie from here one Sunday afternoon. Short girl, clean, very well spoken English, seemed out of place there, and no mention of price! I saw her a couple of times since.
Climax / Insomnia: What a scene in these after hours clubs. If you are up for a long night. 5AM or 6AM I think they are worth a visit.
Not a bad post but I would disagree on the Escorts.
These girls are short time and asking 4000 baht or more for short time. You can get the same at BG or Gullivers for 1500 baht.
Why do they ask that much?
Its their target clients. These girls target men who cannot go out to bars to get girls, in the main they are servicing middle east muslim men. Thats their prime market, men who have to use girls who can arrive at their room without them needing to go out. They also take in some visiting executives, again the kind of people who cannot be seen hanging around sleezy area's of Bangkok.
Thats why they ask and get away with the high prices. But for your average visitor any of the escort services are a total waste of money.
Escorts: Is a 4000 or 5000b escort really that much more expensive than a goo bar girl? Considering the time you invest in going to a bar, getting there, drinks, etc. I do not think so. Escortpictures. Com has decent Bangkok ladies. Kitty and Candy on that site are fantastic. It's been a while since I've seen them and their rates have gone up. Used to be 4000b for a few hours. You could be comfortable with either of them at a social function early in the evening and then have your private porn session later on. And they are genuinely fun ladies. If you are in town for business for a couple days or your schedule is tight, I think escortpictures is a good option. There's an escort named Kai that is on escortpictures and has her own site. She looks smoking hot in her pictures and is expensive. I made an appointment with her. She showed up and I was so underwhelmed. Her photos are fake or a different lady showed. I asked her to leave. No problems, didn't ask for taxi money, I walked over to Spasso for the night. I've had success with a couple of others from escort pictures at 3500b and 4000b. Yes, I know I can go find someone on Sukhumvit near Nana for 1000b, but that's not my thing.
Jessee 009
05-16-11, 07:20
Excellent report, Ivanba.
NicFrenchy
05-16-11, 10:28
life is hard. while everyone spent time debating about wether p4p is better than non p4p, i had a busy week.
i fucked 4 different non-p4p gals and managed to still have power for a visit to 7eme ciel oily.
we can debate about which is better and paying the girls to leave or to stay.
i say, the hell with theories and long speeches. just do whatever you want and make sure you are happy.
my dilemma is that all 4 non-p4p are on holiday tomorrow and all of them want to meet. i told them i am lazy and need only sex (2 already confirmed they are ok to pop-by and by my slave for the day hehehe
I've spent about 25% of my time in Thailand (mostly Bangkok) the past couple years. My focus has never been getting banged for the absolute minimum buck, although I do value price / performance. I like to have a good time, and great sex is part of that. I've had what I consider great successes and great failures. I still have enough game to meet and succeed with non-p4p ladies. There's something for everyone in Bangkok and one person's cherry might be another person's lemon. So here are my random observations, take them for what they are worth. And I'm sorry if this is too long.All too true. Different guys are looking for different things, so while I might not agree with absolutely everything you say, its a great report. I am also a go with the flow type and haven't got the patience to look for absolute cheapest deals. I don't even necessarily go after freebies unless the girl is really exciting me. You have given a good range of options for guys to try and good info on the style.
I for one, have had some very good experiences with dancers at bars, and either pretty or at least good bodies.
I like the chance to look for a long time before deciding, even if that means visiting several bars, one drink each till find something exciting.
Be careful with your price / performance ratios. The lower the ratio, the better, when price is the numerator! So just be careful with the wording in case give the opposite impression.
BTW, There is nothing wrong with a lengthy report packed full of good information. A long dissertation of complete drivel is another matter. Its the continual posters of smart arsed negative comments, particularly where they no factual knowledge, that get irritating, when nothing of value is evident. If someone doesn't like a long report, he doesn't have to read it all. Yours was nicely broken up into topics.
I did go out with a Hi-so girl for a few months. She was pretty, but she was not beautiful. She was a bit short and about 3 kgs overweight. Honestly it was a nightmare. The amount of money I spent on the slight possibility that she'd fuck me was insane. I quickly lost interest.Does anyone seriously want a Hi-so girl?
I think the ideal girl is an in-between, good hearted, not snobbish, fun, but knows how to behave herself, when in public.
I had a Gik for quite a while that I did not have to pay, and she was great in bed, but the downside was she was extremely low-so to the extent that she dressed far too waywardly, couldn't really act riap-roy, and couldn't even walk nicely. She was also hypo-active, trying to own me, and excessively impatient. I was finally relieved to finish up, despite the sex being great. Now I can return to a more peaceful existence.
Bought her an iphone4 (which she wanted in a big hurry) , and she subsequently smashed the screen twice.
Some girls can be nightmare material, even if have their own money supply.
Orange Crust
05-16-11, 23:12
I'm not going to copy Chill Out's posting because it's long but you're absolutely right when comparing a P4P to a non-P4P. The only thing I would add is that a non-pro can also be a strike out so there's a chance you spend money and time but don't end up in bed. I say doubtful that there is no play at / after the second date but you've already spent your baht for the first night and second night. So if you include these strikeouts, average cost goes up a bit. I have to admit that it's pretty cool the way Thai girls just roll with the flow and as long as you don't insult them or have face losing situations. Life is good. But, whether it's a non-pro or pro, they can get extremely jealous and I've even had girls jesture a throat cutting if she caught me playing around on her. Really is odd this jealousy thing, I think P4P sometimes have an illusion that your arrangement may flow into a long term relationship and they get quite territorial but as I said before, some of my former bargirls, who know I don't want long term become friends and even help arrange things for you. It's almost like they protect their turf (you being their lover) until you clearly turf that option.
Okcomputer
05-17-11, 04:28
Just wondering because of the Buddha holiday I heard last night that all of the bars will be closed to include Soi Cowboy, Patpong, etc. What about the massage places?
Please say it ain't so!
NicFrenchy
05-17-11, 04:40
Massage places are open. Don't panic
Bangkok Xx Bob
05-17-11, 05:13
Massage places are open. Don't panicNic,
Just had a 'friend' phone up and wants to go for a joint oily this afternoon as she is bored. Never taken a Thai lass with me before. Any suggestions? Obviously somewhere 'special'
Thanks
NicFrenchy
05-17-11, 07:04
Nic,
Just had a 'friend' phone up and wants to go for a joint oily this afternoon as she is bored. Never taken a Thai lass with me before. Any suggestions? Obviously somewhere 'special'
ThanksSpecial for you? For her? Or for both?
If she wants all out sex then try the Eden Club. She will get serviced like never before
Life is hard. While everyone spent time debating about wether P4P is better than non P4P, I had a busy week.
I fucked 4 different Non-P4P gals and managed to still have power for a visit to 7eme Ciel Oily. Your busyness can be measured by whether you have time to post or not, and also by the length of the report. Its short so obviously you are just a bit busy. Obviously I am not busy. Should be working.
Juggling multiple girls can get stressful. Don't get an iphone4. Girls will want to contact to check what you are doing on Skype with video. I know from the experience already of staying with one girl and another trying to contact me on Skype, even from another country, to check I am not misbehaving. :(
3G is gradually being rolled out in Thailand. Thankfully its not fully here yet, so the girl cannot see if you are located really where you say you are.
Nic,
Just had a 'friend' phone up and wants to go for a joint oily this afternoon as she is bored. Never taken a Thai lass with me before. Any suggestions? Obviously somewhere 'special'
ThanksIf its for real Massage, try the Asia Herbal Association in Sukhumvit Soi 24 I think. Has big rooms for multiple customers to go together. It is quite special but no hanky panky.
Special for you? For her? Or for both?
If she wants all out sex then try the Eden Club. She will get serviced like never beforeOnly a madman would take a girl to Eden, even if she is a Lesbian. I'll bet Nic doesn't go there. I don't bother to repeat there.
I reckon we should leave the 'servicing' arrangements to Bob.
If its for real Massage, try the Asia Herbal Association in Sukhumvit Soi 24 I think. Has big rooms for multiple customers to go together. It is quite special but no hanky panky.I think he looks for "special".)
Lots of MP accepts couples.
I have seen a M+W (western) couple at Annie's, so the options are there.
But now the guy is in action, I assume, seen the time!
We can only wait for the report, now
Bangkok Xx Bob
05-17-11, 14:50
Nothing to report. Failed miserably as I couldn't think of anywhere for a 'special' side by side oily for both. I know the flower shop doesn't arrange this in house. SW, the rooms are inadaquate and the fruit shop is just too visable. (This lass is nothing to do with the P4P scene in any way).
Annies would have been an option but I just don't associate Annies with oilies.
Upon reflection Victoria VIP room may well have been the answer, especially with their car park. Next time.
Still, had much fun in a different way!
Hi Guys.
I'm off to Bangkok in a few weeks time. Just a quick question. I seem to remember reading somewhere that Eden Club had closed down. Can anyone confirm if this is correct. I hope it isn't as I had a LOT of fun there when I visited 4 years ago.
Thanks for the info.
Diesel
Orange Crust
05-17-11, 18:30
Nic,
Just had a 'friend' phone up and wants to go for a joint oily this afternoon as she is bored. Never taken a Thai lass with me before. Any suggestions? Obviously somewhere 'special'
ThanksI've tried this twice and both times no success. I think what I did wrong was that my female guest wanted to do the massage but I never thought about letting her know or imply it should get a little naughty. Then in both cases I fell asleep because I think the message girls were behaving not to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off my girl, so there were no little gentle touches in the zone. Hell, each time I woke up at the end, everyone is laughing because I always snore. If I do it again, I would ask for a ball message for both her and I!!!
LincolnRobinson
05-17-11, 23:00
I'm not going to copy Chill Out's posting because it's long but you're absolutely right when comparing a P4P to a non-P4P. The only thing I would add is that a non-pro can also be a strike out so there's a chance you spend money and time but don't end up in bed. I say doubtful that there is no play at / after the second date but you've already spent your baht for the first night and second night. So if you include these strikeouts, average cost goes up a bit. I have to admit that it's pretty cool the way Thai girls just roll with the flow and as long as you don't insult them or have face losing situations. Life is good. But, whether it's a non-pro or pro, they can get extremely jealous and I've even had girls jesture a throat cutting if she caught me playing around on her. Really is odd this jealousy thing, I think P4P sometimes have an illusion that your arrangement may flow into a long term relationship and they get quite territorial but as I said before, some of my former bargirls, who know I don't want long term become friends and even help arrange things for you. It's almost like they protect their turf (you being their lover) until you clearly turf that option.Some great debate over P4P vs non-P4P providers, Love, Gold Diggers, how hot the mongers on this board are and how much game they have in the past 4 pages.
Old Asia Hand
05-17-11, 23:23
Hi Guys.
I'm off to Bangkok in a few weeks time. Just a quick question. I seem to remember reading somewhere that Eden Club had closed down. Can anyone confirm if this is correct. I hope it isn't as I had a LOT of fun there when I visited 4 years ago.
DieselIt was still open a few weeks ago, but I think it's just a matter of time before it is gone forever. Eden these days is a pale, pale shadow of what it was when the legendary Marc was the overseer. Don't expect much.
It was still open a few weeks ago, but I think it's just a matter of time before it is gone forever. Eden these days is a pale, pale shadow of what it was when the legendary Marc was the overseer. Don't expect much.Thanks for the reply. Is it really not worth going there any more? I have such good memories. Has it really changed that much?
On another note which is now considered to be the best high end soapie money no object and the best high end oilie again money no object.
Thanks,
Diesel
Escorts.
These girls are short time and asking 4000 baht or more for short time. You can get the same at BG or Gullivers for 1500 baht.
Why do they ask that much?
Its their target clients. These girls target men who cannot go out to bars to get girls, in the main they are servicing middle east muslim men. Thats their prime market, men who have to use girls who can arrive at their room without them needing to go out. They also take in some visiting executives, again the kind of people who cannot be seen hanging around sleezy area's of Bangkok.
Thats why they ask and get away with the high prices. But for your average visitor any of the escort services are a total waste of money. Agreed. But also there are plenty of businessmen who travel to or through Bangkok once or very rarely, and fancy trying a bit of what Thailand is famous for. For them, a one-night affair with an expensive escort who can be ordered over the internet is a god-send. And if you are only doing it once a year then frankly cash probably doesn't matter.
I have probably told the story already of an Indian businessman sitting next to me on the plane who calmly bragged that he had 2 escort girls come over for a 'massage', and negotiated the price down from 14K to a mere 10K Baht. But he didn't want FS, so he settled for a HJ.
BKK Dreaming
05-18-11, 15:30
If the escort is on a website then she probably only gets 50% of the fee,
So she can be other places, ask half of her escort price and still do OK,
At least thats how it is with the few escorts I know,
BK
Nothing to report. Failed miserably as I couldn't think of anywhere for a 'special' side by side oily for both. I know the flower shop doesn't arrange this in house. SW, the rooms are inadaquate and the fruit shop is just too visable. (This lass is nothing to do with the P4P scene in any way).
Annies would have been an option but I just don't associate Annies with oilies.
Upon reflection Victoria VIP room may well have been the answer, especially with their car park. Next time.
Still, had much fun in a different way! If I had any idea about what you were looking for (a bit more detail) , might have been able to give a better answer. It wasn't clear to me if she was a "nice" girl or a really wayward one.
Bangkok Xx Bob
05-18-11, 20:01
If I had any idea about what you were looking for (a bit more detail) , might have been able to give a better answer. It wasn't clear to me if she was a "nice" girl or a really wayward one.Nice in all senses. Point taken though.
Sushilover808
05-19-11, 05:26
My flight arrived 1 hour early last night so I was able to take the Airport Rail Link to Makkasan station. It only operates from 6 am to 12 midnight. The Express Line train (non-stop to Makksan) takes 15 minutes and runs every 15 minutes and costs 150 baht. At the airport, the Suvarnabhumi station is located right under the main terminal building (B1 Level, two floors below the Arrival Hall). I took the 11:45 pm train that arrived at 11:45, left 5 minutes later, & arrived at Makksan at 12:05. There was only 1 other person on board and ample room for luggage. It is clean & fast. At Makksan station, I took a taxi to my Sukhumvit area hotel for 65 baht (tipped the coins so 80 baht). Total cost was 230 baht, slight cheaper than the 400 baht taxi ride but of course you must transfer from rail to taxi. Timewise might be about the same as taking a taxi all the way except during rush hour because of the transfer from rail to taxi. It is just a little faster & a little cheaper.
151286
151287
My flight arrived 1 hour early last night so I was able to take the Airport Rail Link to Makkasan station. It only operates from 6 am to 12 midnight. The Express Line train (non-stop to Makksan) takes 15 minutes and runs every 15 minutes and costs 150 baht. At the airport, the Suvarnabhumi station is located right under the main terminal building (B1 Level, two floors below the Arrival Hall). I took the 11:45 pm train that arrived at 11:45, left 5 minutes later, & arrived at Makksan at 12:05. There was only 1 other person on board and ample room for luggage. It is clean & fast. At Makksan station, I took a taxi to my Sukhumvit area hotel for 65 baht (tipped the coins so 80 baht). Total cost was 230 baht, slight cheaper than the 400 baht taxi ride but of course you must transfer from rail to taxi. Timewise might be about the same as taking a taxi all the way except during rush hour because of the transfer from rail to taxi. It is just a little faster & a little cheaper.
151286
151287How easy is it to negotiate Makkasan with heavy luggage? What's the distance and stairs situation from the train to the taxi and vice-versa?
On another note which is now considered to be the best high end soapie money no object and the best high end oilie again money no object.
Thanks,
DieselFrom what I have read and heard, Poseidon's upstairs model lounge is the most high end soapie experience. Amsterdam's models are also very high-end. Expect to pay 5-6k minimum.
I don't think there are any "high end" oilies as such. They're all about the same caliber although you get more bang for your buck at Snow White, Tulip, and Mango.
Since Thais (and certain foreigners who patronize the Thai-oriented establishments) are paying only 1500-1600 baht ST or 2000-2100 baht LT for (on average) much more attractive girls...I've never met a Thai who took a girl for long-time. I can't be sure but I think that's an alien concept for most Thai people.
Mr Enternational
05-19-11, 17:11
I've never met a Thai who took a girl for long-time. I can't be sure but I think that's an alien concept for most Thai people.When you think about it it is a rather strange concept LT. How many mongers actually do LT when they are in their home country? I think LT is something unique to visitors and expats no matter what the country may be (although generally countries that are not as well off economically as those in North America, Western Europe, or Eastern Asia). Usually it's wham, bam, thank you ma'am for the local monger. I mean who would really want to hang out with prostitutes when they are home. I can not imagine myself going to the local hooker dive, picking up a chick by asking her to come back to my place for a few hours or a few days, and trying to get to know her as a person.
NicFrenchy
05-19-11, 17:20
I've never met a Thai who took a girl for long-time. I can't be sure but I think that's an alien concept for most Thai people.I would go as far as to say that this is a concept that alien to most Asians, not only thais.
When you think about it it is a rather strange concept LT. How many mongers actually do LT when they are in their home country? I think LT is something unique to visitors and expats no matter what the country may be (although generally countries that are not as well off economically as those in North America, Western Europe, or Eastern Asia). Usually it's wham, bam, thank you ma'am for the local monger. I mean who would really want to hang out with prostitutes when they are home. I can not imagine myself going to the local hooker dive, picking up a chick by asking her to come back to my place for a few hours or a few days, and trying to get to know her as a person.Ah yes but Thai hookers are not like western ones at all.
We can afford to take girl for a long time.
More importantly we want to wake in the morning and have a naked girl there ready for sex.
When a western hooker offered to sleep at my place, I could see the $ stars in her eyes. Thought I better not.
Member #4807
05-19-11, 19:48
I used this service once and found it excellent but was surprised by the small number of people using it when one consider BKK high tourism. I was there last March in peak hrs (1pm) but all halls were deserted. For all the money and effort invested in this service its ashame to see such results.
My flight arrived 1 hour early last night so I was able to take the Airport Rail Link to Makkasan station. It only operates from 6 am to 12 midnight. The Express Line train (non-stop to Makksan) takes 15 minutes and runs every 15 minutes and costs 150 baht. At the airport, the Suvarnabhumi station is located right under the main terminal building (B1 Level, two floors below the Arrival Hall). I took the 11:45 pm train that arrived at 11:45, left 5 minutes later, & arrived at Makksan at 12:05. There was only 1 other person on board and ample room for luggage. It is clean & fast. At Makksan station, I took a taxi to my Sukhumvit area hotel for 65 baht (tipped the coins so 80 baht). Total cost was 230 baht, slight cheaper than the 400 baht taxi ride but of course you must transfer from rail to taxi. Timewise might be about the same as taking a taxi all the way except during rush hour because of the transfer from rail to taxi. It is just a little faster & a little cheaper.
151286
151287
Sushilover808
05-20-11, 01:31
How easy is it to negotiate Makkasan with heavy luggage? What's the distance and stairs situation from the train to the taxi and vice-versa?Down an escalator or two then just outside for the taxi. I don't know if porters are available during the daytime but if you have so much luggage that you need help, I recommend that you just take the taxi from the airport directly and save yourself the extra trouble for only $5 difference. I had 1 small bag & a backpack & it was very easy for me. I would not do it if I had 2 large bags or traveling with 2 or more people.
Mr Enternational
05-20-11, 01:58
My flight arrived 1 hour early last night so I was able to take the Airport Rail Link to Makkasan station. It only operates from 6 am to 12 midnight. The Express Line train (non-stop to Makksan) takes 15 minutes and runs every 15 minutes and costs 150 baht. At the airport, the Suvarnabhumi station is located right under the main terminal building (B1 Level, two floors below the Arrival Hall). I took the 11:45 pm train that arrived at 11:45, left 5 minutes later, & arrived at Makksan at 12:05. There was only 1 other person on board and ample room for luggage. It is clean & fast. At Makksan station, I took a taxi to my Sukhumvit area hotel for 65 baht (tipped the coins so 80 baht). Total cost was 230 baht, slight cheaper than the 400 baht taxi ride but of course you must transfer from rail to taxi. Timewise might be about the same as taking a taxi all the way except during rush hour because of the transfer from rail to taxi. It is just a little faster & a little cheaper.The thing is that from the airport to Sukhumvit a metered taxi does not cost 400 baht. It is about the same 230 (toll not included) that you paid in total. It appears that building that train was a waste of money. Back in March I took a metered taxi from Wat Pho back to Nana Hotel in over an hour's worth of heavy traffic. The driver waited 10 minutes for me and my brother to get our luggage then took us to the airport. The final total on the meter was under 400 baht. I gave him 420 for being a good sport.
(Escorts: Is a 4000 or 5000b escort really that much more expensive than a goo bar girl? Considering the time you invest in going to a bar, getting there, drinks, etc. I do not think so. Escortpictures. Com has decent Bangkok ladies. Kitty and Candy on that site are fantastic.)
When I attempt to pull up "Escortpictures. Com" I don't get any direct hit. Any chance this site is no longer in service or has been renamed? Yes,"
http://www.escortpictures.com/cities/female/bangkok/
" should take you to the Bangkok section.
Sushilover808
05-20-11, 05:21
I met "May" last night at the Beer Garden on soi 7 around 6 pm. She says she is there almost every night. We agreed on ST 3 hole service for 2 pops for 1500 baht. I tipped her an extra 100 for the pictures. She said she is sometimes willing to do anal but she doesn't like to say it in public because she doesn't want the other girls to know about it. So if you want it, whisper it to her quietly. She is very short and in her late 30's but service more than made up for it. She said she likes white guys with fair skin (though I am not white but have fair skin). Great 3 hole service including BBBJ & CIM, & no hurry. No LT, she wants to go home to sleep. I recommend that you call her (086-136-1790) or just find her at the Beer Garden.
Thank you ISG!
Momasan insists. Friend doesn't budge. Next thing you know Momasan says lady has period and can not go, and returned the BF.Not only did she tell me she had her period, she pulled her over and offered me to check for myself. Should stuck a finger up her and lick the one next to it.
The thing is that from the airport to Sukhumvit a metered taxi does not cost 400 baht. It is about the same 230 (toll not included) that you paid in total. It appears that building that train was a waste of money. Back in March I took a metered taxi from Wat Pho back to Nana Hotel in over an hour's worth of heavy traffic. The driver waited 10 minutes for me and my brother to get our luggage then took us to the airport. The final total on the meter was under 400 baht. I gave him 420 for being a good sport.Perhaps he was "trusting" the taxi driver and not using the meter. I've had many taxi drivers try to tell me it's 400 baht with no meter. I tell them no and to turn on the damn meter.
MadVic
NicFrenchy
05-20-11, 16:08
I used this service once and found it excellent but was surprised by the small number of people using it when one consider BKK high tourism. I was there last March in peak hrs (1pm) but all halls were deserted. For all the money and effort invested in this service its ashame to see such results.Personally, I can't be bothered to use this service. I don't want to drag my luggage and walk up or down stairs, take a train. Then negotiate a taxi to the hotel. All of that to save 200 thb?
I prefer the Taxi or Limo. More expensive, sure, but more convenient
NicFrenchy
05-20-11, 16:13
Perhaps he was "trusting" the taxi driver and not using the meter. I've had many taxi drivers try to tell me it's 400 baht with no meter. I tell them no and to turn on the damn meter.
MadVicTo All you Cheapos:
Do not queue at the Arrival Taxis Downstairs!
Go up to the Departures Level and grab a cab that just dropped someone off. Tell him to go to Sukhumvit and to take the Highway.
Cost will be 65thb for Highway. 200 to 250 to sukhumvit and you don't have to pay the 50thb taxi Charge like in the Arrivals downstairs.
Pahllus Maximus
05-20-11, 16:57
Amazing she is shy about anal. Most of the the girls have more cocks than we have had breakfasts. Most girls are lesbians and / or will do anal for cash and have no shame, especially with other girls who have ample experience in servicing the randy attentions of us. Funny how they play the prude and we kind of respect it. I grew out of that years ago. Just come straight out "I want to fuck you up the ass an come in your mouth". Her answer: "3000 baht, I thought you wanted something special". Be straightforward, don't take shit. These are hardened bar girls.
I've never met a Thai who took a girl for long-time. I can't be sure but I think that's an alien concept for most Thai people.
Well, you probably know several Thais who take a P4P girl for a very long-time (those who have a mia noi, for instance)! ;)
I also believe that in most cases, Thais are more inclined to have ST sessions rather than LT ones in most P4P establishments, but not always. For instance, in many local karaoke places (actually, in most of those that I know of), the default session duration is the whole night (I know a couple of Thai karaoke places where one can also negotiate a ST session, but it's rather the exception than the general rule, at least, according to my own experience).
Amazing she is shy about anal. Most of the the girls have more cocks than we have had breakfasts. Most girls are lesbians and / or will do anal for cash and have no shame, especially with other girls who have ample experience in servicing the randy attentions of us. Funny how they play the prude and we kind of respect it. I grew out of that years ago. Just come straight out "I want to fuck you up the ass an come in your mouth". Her answer: "3000 baht, I thought you wanted something special". Be straightforward, don't take shit. These are hardened bar girls.Pahllus, you are posting here more then 9 years with all kind of unrealistic comments.
All your experience. You make me laugh. You never posted pics of all the experiences.
You had with girls. Or is that your dreams?
Sushilover is doing good, realistic and he post all kind of great pics.
You better stop all that commenting. Just look and enjoy.
Cheers!
... What is the mathematical argument to say non-pros are more expensive? I still haven't seen it. Let's use 2K a night LT, which is certainly a discount rate already for girls that are "not overweight or ugly". Let's say you don't pay for any beers or anything else when you do P4P. And again that's a stretch. So you have a 2K budget. Do you really need to spend 2K on a normal girl, every time you meet her, to get somewhere? If not then where is the "more expensive" argument coming from? ...
It really depends on many factors, but yes, in certain cases, "non-pros" are more expensive. Let's say that you just want to have a one-night-stand. With a real "non-pro" girl in Thailand, it does not happen very often, so, you will have to date more than one girl to succeed. Moreover, as explained earlier, real "non-pro" girls very seldom go to a date (especially on the first one) alone.
Not so long ago, a friend of mine started to date a real "non-pro" in Bangkok. On the first date, the girl came with her older sister and two female friends of them. They all had a nice dinner at a good (but not particularly fancy) restaurant overlooking the Chao Praya river, and as it is the custom in the Land of Smiles, the supposedly richest person (my friend) footed the bill (about 2000 baht). He had another date some time later with this "non-pro" girl and this time, she came "only" with her sister. They spent the evening at a bowling alley, had a few drinks there, then went to another (decent but not extravagant) restaurant and my friend ended up spending again about 2000 baht (overall) that day. On the third date, the girl came alone, and they went to a cinema, watched a film and afterwards, had dinner to another (very reasonably priced) restaurant. My friend did not spend too much money on the third date (less than 1000 baht), but still came back alone to his place. That's also during this third date that the girl suggested that the next time, my friend meets her parents at their place...
Many similar stories happened to me in the past with real "non-pro" girls. According to my own, and to several of my friends' experiences, most "non-pro" girls don't fuck on the first date (and many won't have sex before marriage). You can do that with "pros" (of course), "semi-pros" (many waitresses, some university girls, certain members of dating websites, etc.) and more or less desperate women (older women, divorced mothers, etc.), but not that often with real "non-pros".
By the way, I was in Bangkok with another friend of mine this week, and for some reason, we had only a few hours of free time daily for our "mongering activities" and those had to be done during daytime. So, we visited Chinatown several times, a couple of BJ bars too, a few other places where one can find freelancers, and one massage parlor. The highest cost per fuck was 1300 baht (several shots were allowed at the massage parlor, so it was not the most expensive option) including the price of a short time room. In Chinatown, I had a BBBJ for 280 baht (200 baht for the provider, and 80 baht for the room) and I fucked several young (19-23 year old) and rather attractive girls for 600 baht overall (you can pay even less for the older and less attractive ones). Ok, the attractive ones are a small minority in this area, but it did not require much effort for us to find decent enough providers every time we visited this part of the capital city.
I won't ever mention some other places in Thailand where P4P is even cheaper (on average) for (usually) a much better quality of providers (and where real "non-pro" girls are even less likely to fuck on the first date).
Those examples demonstrate that in certain cases (for those who are looking for one-night stands, for instance), P4P is less expensive on a cost-per-fuck basis, with the advantage of variety and efficiency (no hassle, no time lost on courtship, no emotional involvement, etc.).
To All you Cheapos:
Do not queue at the Arrival Taxis Downstairs!
Go up to the Departures Level and grab a cab that just dropped someone off. Tell him to go to Sukhumvit and to take the Highway.
Cost will be 65thb for Highway. 200 to 250 to sukhumvit and you don't have to pay the 50thb taxi Charge like in the Arrivals downstairs. To be more of a Cheapo:
If you go to Sukhumvit, tell the taxi driver to avoid the tollway. If it's not rush hour, you only will spend maybe 10 minutes more. Hence you will save 65 baht in tolls plus a few baht on the meter (distance is actually shorter). The ride is scenic; you get to see some clubs (massage parlors and / or KTVs). But becareful about taxi drivers who might feign ignorance and claim not to know that route; you can also negotiate a flat fee, and he certainly will avoid the tollway.
To be even more of a Cheapo:
You can take the non-express train to Makasan, and then walk to the metro. From that metro stop, you will have access to the underground and the skytrain. But that walk is a real pain in the rear (maybe about 10 or 15 minutes).
To be the ultimate Cheapo:
Be like a local and take the local bus (never done that personally).
Sushilover808
05-21-11, 03:19
Amazing she is shy about anal. Most of the the girls have more cocks than we have had breakfasts. Most girls are lesbians and / or will do anal for cash and have no shame, especially with other girls who have ample experience in servicing the randy attentions of us. Funny how they play the prude and we kind of respect it. I grew out of that years ago. Just come straight out "I want to fuck you up the ass an come in your mouth". Her answer: "3000 baht, I thought you wanted something special". Be straightforward, don't take shit. These are hardened bar girls.Just wondering what others are finding. Do most of the girls do anal or do most claim they do not do it? Anyone?
To be even more of a Cheapo: You can take the non-express train to Makasan, and then walk to the metro. From that metro stop, you will have access to the underground and the skytrain. But that walk is a real pain in the rear (maybe about 10 or 15 minutes).
To be the ultimate Cheapo: Be like a local and take the local bus (never done that personally). The non-express train ends at the Phaya Thai BTS Station. You can catch the BTS there to Sukhumvit or Silom (transfer at Siam).
There are four Airport Express Buse routes that make regular stops at hotels along Silom and Sukhumvit, etc.
http://www.bangkokairportonline.com/node/55
This link has good information and maps for Bangkok public transit (trains & river boats).
http://www.bangkok-city.com/go/info_transportation.html#Skytrain
FreebieFan
05-21-11, 04:36
Not so long ago, a friend of mine started to date a real "non-pro" in Bangkok. On the first date, the girl came with her older sister and two female friends of them. They all had a nice dinner at a good (but not particularly fancy) restaurant overlooking the Chao Praya river, and as it is the custom in the Land of Smiles, the supposedly richest person (my friend) footed the bill (about 2000 baht). He had another date some time later with this "non-pro" girl and this time, she came "only" with her sister. They spent the evening at a bowling alley, had a few drinks there, then went to another (decent but not extravagant) restaurant and my friend ended up spending again about 2000 baht (overall) that day. On the third date, the girl came alone, and they went to a cinema, watched a film and afterwards, had dinner to another (very reasonably priced) restaurant. My friend did not spend too much money on the third date (less than 1000 baht) , but still came back alone to his place. That's also during this third date that the girl suggested that the next time, my friend meets her parents at their place.
Many similar stories happened to me in the past with real "non-pro" girls. According to my own, and to several of my friends' experiences, most "non-pro" girls don't fuck on the first date (and many won't have sex before marriage). You can do that with "pros" (of course),"semi-pros" (many waitresses, some university girls, certain members of dating websites, etc.) and more or less desperate women (older women, divorced mothers, etc.) , but not that often with real "non-pros".
Those examples demonstrate that in certain cases (for those who are looking for one-night stands, for instance) , P4P is less expensive on a cost-per-fuck basis, with the advantage of variety and efficiency (no hassle, no time lost on courtship, no emotional involvement, etc.). I guess I have been lucky. I mainly play in Manila's dirty water but sometimes in BKK. I had one single mom once (40) who met me at my BTS station. Back to hotel for 2 maybe 3 rounds then went home. No money exchanged. Had a Paragon optician store employee meet me literally in my hotel lobby, as soon as I arrived, up to room, bonk and no money exchanged and no questions asked.
Had a hair salon owner (24) meet me on a rainy day so we watched a movie in my place and of course ended in bed with no money exchanged. Had a few more including a Nurse. All on first dates.
Maybe I got lucky or maybe I just took what was available. Certain no mom and pop meetings LOL. I would run if I was asked to do that!
Just wondering what others are finding. Do most of the girls do anal or do most claim they do not do it? Anyone?
In my own experience, many girls who allow anal sex wouldn't admit it in front of their friends or colleagues. It's something that should be asked discreetly in most cases, IMHO.
Fast Eddie 48
05-21-11, 07:20
The non-express train ends at the Phaya Thai BTS Station. You can catch the BTS there to Sukhumvit or Silom (transfer at Siam).
There are four Airport Express Buse routes that make regular stops at hotels along Silom and Sukhumvit, etc.
http://www.bangkokairportonline.com/node/55
This link has good information and maps for Bangkok public transit (trains & river boats).
http://www.bangkok-city.com/go/info_transportation.html#SkytrainTo Fon Tok
The airport train is good if you don't have large luggage, the train station and bts station is a bit of a walk with alot of luggage no elavator you need to walk many stair go across the st to the Phaya thai BTS station and the airport bus take too long, the best way is still taxi if you have large luggage.
Fast Eddie 48
It really depends on many factors, but yes, in certain cases, "non-pros" are more expensive. Let's say that you just want to have a one-night-stand. With a real "non-pro" girl in Thailand, it does not happen very often, so, you will have to date more than one girl to succeed. Moreover, as explained earlier, real "non-pro" girls very seldom go to a date (especially on the first one) alone.Dear Chillout,
It does indeed depend on many factors, the most important being how often you get sex with the GF. Forget about nights altogether, but think on a per sex session basis. If you have to support GF and her child's education and potentially other members of her family, paying the rent, the bills, etc. Could easily cost you 1K per day. I know this sounds a lot but you try buying a trolley load of stuff in the supermarket these days. Could be 2K quite easily.
1K per day is a good deal if you get sex everyday, but most don't. She maybe has a very long menstruation period, ruling out several days, and anyway guys like myself are not even in Thailand all of the time.
Therefore supporting a Thai girl (plus others in the family) becomes very uneconomical.
For me, its far cheaper, just to P4P, whether long time or short.
As Goaye points out, entertaining costs for dating girls can be significant too. A guaranteed screw is the better option.
There maybe plenty of guys who have a very economical GF, usually meaning she works for money too, and doesn't require full support. By all means get a rich or well paid GF.
NicFrenchy
05-21-11, 08:37
To be more of a Cheapo:
If you go to Sukhumvit, tell the taxi driver to avoid the tollway. If it's not rush hour, you only will spend maybe 10 minutes more. Hence you will save 65 baht in tolls plus a few baht on the meter (distance is actually shorter). The ride is scenic; you get to see some clubs (massage parlors and / or KTVs). But becareful about taxi drivers who might feign ignorance and claim not to know that route; you can also negotiate a flat fee, and he certainly will avoid the tollway.
To be even more of a Cheapo:
You can take the non-express train to Makasan, and then walk to the metro. From that metro stop, you will have access to the underground and the skytrain. But that walk is a real pain in the rear (maybe about 10 or 15 minutes).
To be the ultimate Cheapo:
Be like a local and take the local bus (never done that personally). Priceless. Excellent Info
Personally, I can't be bothered to use this service. I don't want to drag my luggage and walk up or down stairs, take a train. Then negotiate a taxi to the hotel. All of that to save 200 thb?
I prefer the Taxi or Limo. More expensive, sure, but more convenientI did this once when I had just carryon luggage and it was great.
Cost will be 65thb for Highway. 200 to 250 to sukhumvit and you don't have to pay the 50thb taxi Charge like in the Arrivals downstairs.70 for the highway.
Went to Cowboy last night. Arrived later than usual; around 1 am or so. Hit Baccara, Dollhouse, and Shark. Not too many stunners left. At 2:30 am I was in Shark and called a cutie over just as the bar was about to close. I was hoping to strike a deal since it was closing time and middle of the low season. She was adament. Would not go below 2, 000 baht. I even countered with 1500. No go. Fuck the go-gos; it's like hitting your head against a brick wall. I have not been able to negotiate down from 2, 000 baht ST for more than a year now. I will stick to the MPs and Soapies from now on; much cheaper and much less bullshit.
NicFrenchy
05-21-11, 13:09
Fuck the go-gos; it's like hitting your head against a brick wall. I have not been able to negotiate down from 2, 000 baht ST for more than a year now. I will stick to the MPs and Soapies from now on; much cheaper and much less bullshit.You realise this only now? Hehehehehe yes, Bargirls are all Bullshit, all the time. I also prefer Massage ladies.
Mr Enternational
05-21-11, 13:12
Dear Chillout,
It does indeed depend on many factors, the most important being how often you get sex with the GF. Forget about nights altogether, but think on a per sex session basis. If you have to support GF and her child's education and potentially other members of her family, paying the rent, the bills, etc. Could easily cost you 1K per day. I know this sounds a lot but you try buying a trolley load of stuff in the supermarket these days. Could be 2K quite easily.
1K per day is a good deal if you get sex everyday, but most don't. She maybe has a very long menstruation period, ruling out several days, and anyway guys like myself are not even in Thailand all of the time.
Therefore supporting a Thai girl (plus others in the family) becomes very uneconomical.
For me, its far cheaper, just to P4P, whether long time or short.
As Goaye points out, entertaining costs for dating girls can be significant too. A guaranteed screw is the better option.
There maybe plenty of guys who have a very economical GF, usually meaning she works for money too, and doesn't require full support. By all means get a rich or well paid GF. I think you were off point at the beginning of your post. The discussion was never about costs of SUPPORTING non-pros vs. P4P. It was never about financially taking care of a girlfriend's family (I know many farang get caught up in this but in my mind people who support Thai women and their families are complete idiots. The people who gave life to me are self-sufficient and I do not have to support them so why in the hell would I do it for someone that not only I hardly know, but more than likely does not even speak my same language). It was simply about dating a non-pro. In which case the couple would simply take in a movie, go to the beach, go to lunch, go to a concert every now and then, go to a park, or sit home and watch TV and eat microwave popcorn. It was not about wining and dining, buying expensive gifts, or foolishly handing over your life savings.
I know this is a mongering board but in actuality who really wants sex everyday, especially from the same person. But even if you did, she is your girlfriend so that should entitle you to sex when you want it. If not, then you have chosen the wrong woman. Mensturation; that has never stopped my show. When I want to fuck I want to fuck. But I can understand if she is cramping or having extreme problems so I will always settle for BBBJCIM in such cases.
I think you came back on point at the end of your post by mentioning "she works for money too." That is the type of woman that I understood the original discussion to be about. Not dating eighteen year old, tall, thin, light-skinned superstar Thai actresses vs. P4P, not paying some girl's university tuition vs. P4P, not buying her family a new buffalo after the old one has died vs. P4P, but an average, everyday, run of the mill date with a non-pro Thai girl who has her own job and supports herself vs. P4P. Sure you may not fuck her on the first date. But I do not think I have ever gone past a second meeting without luck as such. However, more often than not for me and my humble experience it does happen the first time.
In Thailand I have never gotten the girl who brings along family and friends on a date as other members have. In countries such as Peru and Colombia I have occaisionally gotten the girl who wants to bring along her mooching friend who doubles as a cockblocker, but I have ways of dealing with them. They get no love. Okay I lied. Back in February a girl who I met in Tukcom in Pattaya tried to bring along a half ladyboy friend on our initial outting which was going to be to the bowling alley. I told her no, that only me and her were going. She refused to go without her friend and I refused to go with her friend, so we went our separate ways and have not talked to each other since. I am not afraid to cut someone off who does not want to play by my rules. I will take my ball and go the fuck home in a heartbeat. There is too much pussy out there to be somebody's sucker.
...I know this is a mongering board but in actuality who really wants sex everyday, especially from the same person. But even if you did, she is your girlfriend so that should entitle you to sex when you want it. If not, then you have chosen the wrong woman. Mensturation; that has never stopped my show. When I want to fuck I want to fuck. But I can understand if she is cramping or having extreme problems so I will always settle for BBBJCIM in such cases...[
Awwww, you're really way too nice to these girls. :)
70 for the highway.Yep! 45+25 (or 25+45)
I mean. Discussing around a difference of 100/150 TB for a transportation. Mumble. Mumble.
I think you were off point at the beginning of your post. The discussion was never about costs of SUPPORTING non-pros vs. P4P. It was never about financially taking care of a girlfriend's family (I know many farang get caught up in this but in my mind people who support Thai women and their families are complete idiots. The people who gave life to me are self-sufficient and I do not have to support them so why in the hell would I do it for someone that not only I hardly know, but more than likely does not even speak my same language). It was simply about dating a non-pro. In which case the couple would simply take in a movie, go to the beach, go to lunch, go to a concert every now and then, go to a park, or sit home and watch TV and eat microwave popcorn. It was not about wining and dining, buying expensive gifts, or foolishly handing over your life savings.Sorry if I am off topic. I did not read the whole set of posts. I was only responding to a recent one. I agree its not a good idea to support Thai girls and their families. Its a crazy one, but it happens often, sometimes if the Knight in White armour saves the girl from P4P industry, where she was previously supporting several family members.
Someone mentioned a real GF rather than just someone you are dating. To me having a long term GF is not the same as just dating someone. Its more likely to mean living with them on a continuing basis. I you see someone occasionally and get sex too, I call that a Gik. All my point was, that a fully supported GF is expensive and P4P is usually cheaper. That is a good warning.
Went to Cowboy last night. Arrived later than usual; around 1 am or so. Hit Baccara, Dollhouse, and Shark. Not too many stunners left. At 2:30 am I was in Shark and called a cutie over just as the bar was about to close. I was hoping to strike a deal since it was closing time and middle of the low season. She was adament. Would not go below 2, 000 baht. I even countered with 1500. No go. Fuck the go-gos; it's like hitting your head against a brick wall. I have not been able to negotiate down from 2, 000 baht ST for more than a year now. I will stick to the MPs and Soapies from now on; much cheaper and much less bullshit.Right with you there. The last three non-oily gals have all been big disappointments. One freelancer and two gogo girls. When one gets used to the service one gets at Mango, Tulip, Snow White, and Victoria, it is hard to justify spending more money for so much less at other venues. I love gogos to hang out and drink with my friends, but when I want to shag it is an oily.
Right with you there. The last three non-oily gals have all been big disappointments. One freelancer and two gogo girls. When one gets used to the service one gets at Mango, Tulip, Snow White, and Victoria, it is hard to justify spending more money for so much less at other venues. I love gogos to hang out and drink with my friends, but when I want to shag it is an oily.I wouldn't even classify those four establishments as oilies. Oilies are those places on Soi 24/1 (if I have the soi correct). These places are something in a class of their own.
Pro Fesseur
05-21-11, 21:45
Not dating eighteen year old, tall, thin, light-skinned superstar Thai actresses vs. P4P, not paying some girl's university tuition vs. P4P, not buying her family a new buffalo after the old one has died vs. P4P, but an average, everyday, run of the mill date with a non-pro Thai girl who has her own job and supports herself vs. P4P. Sure you may not fuck her on the first date. But I do not think I have ever gone past a second meeting without luck as such. However, more often than not for me and my humble experience it does happen the first time.
I'm curious. How old are you and how old are those girls that you are dating and who agree to have sex with you on the first (or even the second) date? Where do you meet them? What is their occupation? How good is their English? How good is your Thai? Do they have children?
I'm asking all these questions because in my own experience, most "normal women" in Thailand do not speak much English (and the average foreigner doesn't speak enough Thai for dating a "normal" local girl). Most "normal" Thai women don't want to have an NSA (No Strings Attached) relationship, especially with a foreigner, unless you are both very young, maybe. The "normal" women who have sex so easily with foreigners are usually those who are not attractive anymore for the local men.
Back in February a girl who I met in Tukcom in Pattaya tried to bring along a half ladyboy friend on our initial outting which was going to be to the bowling alley...
That's how it goes usually with "normal" local girls (they bring along at least one friend on the first dates).
I am not afraid to cut someone off who does not want to play by my rules...
You will have trouble in Thailand sooner or later if you try to always impose your own rules, believe me!
New Old Guy
05-22-11, 04:20
You will have trouble in Thailand sooner or later if you try to always impose your own rules, believe me!I think you're missing Mr E's point. He was about to waste time and money with a manipulative biatch, sensed the situation and walked out in time. As a man should do. Next time the lady has an element of experience more to consider when dealing with a western. This is not imposing rules, but simply intelligent behavior that works in any country at any time.
Also all you inquisition about how old, which work, how many kids a woman has, seems really lecturing, we're all old enough to be able to tell which one will give at the first date and which one will try not to for as long a possible. Some of us like to play the game even when chances are not in favor, more power to the guy that has game can overturn them.
I know this is a mongering board but in actuality who really wants sex everyday, especially from the same person. But even if you did, she is your girlfriend so that should entitle you to sex when you want it. If not, then you have chosen the wrong woman. Mensturation; that has never stopped my show. When I want to fuck I want to fuck.Yes some of us want to have sex most days, and maybe more than once, specially if the girl does not have the stamina for long sessions. Sex with a GF can be good enough to want it often. However, with permanent GF normal relationships, it takes both parties wanting to fuck, for it to happen. You are not entitled sex anytime you want. P4P is where you get to fuck, regardless. With a Gik, there may be the understanding that each meeting is for sex.
Most normal Thai girls don't want sex when they have a period, even though it wouldn't bother me. Its considered dirty by Thai culture. CIM and anal are also things that most normal Thai girls don't do and wouldn't even consider for a second. This is also a more P4P thing (IMHO), e.g. Tulip, Mango, Snow White, etc.
Went to a Sports pub to check out a football match. My team lost. Decided to distract myself from this by visiting Midnite, looking for a hot dancer who was previously also very hot on the bed. Unfortunately she had a customer who seemd to have pre-booked her.
Had to fall back to a gogo girl with a good body, B cups, shaved pussy, and pretty face, called Jip. Took for a short time and wasn't disappointed, even if doesn't have skills like a Mango girl.
Started doing DATY, and she was willing to say she was really enjoying it. A good start. Half inserted a knuckle for further stimulation. At one point after she had produced a fair bit of juice, she was concerned about smell. I assured her she was fine and clean with no taste whatsoever. That relaxed her more, and she indicated I show put the finger in rather than just a knuckle, to gently diddle her G-spot and so on while continuing the DATY. I don't like to put finger straight in with girls I don't know well in case iit scares them. Kept going till she made me stop. She apologised about not being experienced with BBBJ but did fine once I coached her to go slower and softer. Stopped when her jaw got too tired. Mish with me upright (I forget what this is called) so I could play with her lovely natural Bs, she diddling her clit. Doggy as well, she even used both hands now (difficult as that may seem) , one to play with herself, and one to lightly massage my balls. We both had tired legs by the end.
Not as good as the exotic show dancer there, but her great body and willingness to get into it, made it very enjoyable.
NicFrenchy
05-22-11, 08:08
I'm curious. How old are you and how old are those girls that you are dating and who agree to have sex with you on the first (or even the second) date? Where do you meet them? What is their occupation? How good is their English? How good is your Thai? Do they have children?So many questions, are you writing a novel on the subject?
It's not uncommon for girls to have sex on first or second date nowadays, I know it has happened to me many times. Yes, it is not really good for the girl to give away her pussy the first night, but sometimes they feel comfortable enough to do it.
And it's true that the younger they are, the more eager they are to have sex.
Mr Enternational
05-22-11, 09:01
Most normal Thai girls don't want sex when they have a period, even though it wouldn't bother me. Its considered dirty by Thai culture. CIM and anal are also things that most normal Thai girls don't do and wouldn't even consider for a second. This is also a more P4P thing (IMHO), e.g. Tulip, Mango, Snow White, etc.Maybe I have some good ass luck, because I have never had a normal Thai girl not want to have sex when she was on her period. They may say no to you at first as a warning, but when you tell them it does not matter to you that it is that time of the month then they are fine with it as well. Some are embarassed by the blood and use that thing they insert to stop it, while others do not and don't care about the blood. CIM. I have had several normal Thai girls beg me to cum in their mouth. Some have even mentioned it when sex was the farthest thing from what we were doing or talking about at the time. As far as anal, I have not even attempted to venture there with a normal Thai girl.
NicFrenchy
05-22-11, 09:41
CIM. I have had several normal Thai girls beg me to cum in their mouth. Some have even mentioned it when sex was the farthest thing from what we were doing or talking about at the time. As far as anal, I have not even attempted to venture there with a normal Thai girl.Normal girls I am with don't beg me to cum in their mouths but do not pull out. Once they are into the BJ, they don't stop even if you are cumming. Some girls tell me that I can't cum inside though. One girl even asked me if I am ok for her to eat (read: Swallow).
Anal sex is also a no-no for me with Regular girls. And I don't even usually do it with hookers.
Pahllus Maximus
05-22-11, 10:05
PauloThai.
Actually, if you check out Bangkok Reports 4-23-11 Post No. 13822 there are 6 photos. Don't let reality or fact get in the way of your views. 2 more today. True I don't photo myself in the act and post on line, but happy to PM some to you if still needed.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1148090#post1148090
Pahllus, you are posting here more then 9 years with all kind of unrealistic comments.
All your experience. You make me laugh. You never posted pics of all the experiences.
You had with girls. Or is that your dreams?
Sushilover is doing good, realistic and he post all kind of great pics.
You better stop all that commenting. Just look and enjoy.
Cheers!
Amazing she is shy about anal. Most of the the girls have more cocks than we have had breakfasts. Most girls are lesbians and / or will do anal for cash and have no shame, especially with other girls who have ample experience in servicing the randy attentions of us. Funny how they play the prude and we kind of respect it. I grew out of that years ago. Just come straight out "I want to fuck you up the ass an come in your mouth". Her answer: "3000 baht, I thought you wanted something special". Be straightforward, don't take shit. These are hardened bar girls.Parlous,
Why bother to post such complete nonsense? Sure, given enough money (everyone has a price) , I would allow arse fucking too, but that is not the point. It ain't going to happen. I haven't found that offering lots of money will make a girl perform well, things she doesn't want to do.
Most Thai girls are definitely not lesbians, at least not the ones we desire (omitting the Toms etc.). Most P4P lesbians are not real lesbians either. Most P4P lesbians are only play-acting for money, and many P4P's just don't do iit at all.
Anyone:
What is the massive attraction to arse fucking anyway? Is it Phallus Minimus looking for a tighter hole? Do guys want to pay extra for it? Is it just a Psychological thing wanting to fuck someone's arse? Are guys trying to act out what they saw in a porn movie? Personally, I think a nice fit pussy is far superior, as is a skilled BBBJ. I can understand if the girl has a really sloppy loose pussy, but that seems rare in Thailand.
New Old Guy
05-22-11, 11:08
I think there is some confusion about who we're talking about and the bashing to P. M. is mostly unwarranted, so give him a break.
He (I think) refers to talking to experienced prostitutes, abou that his advice is exactly right: be straightforward. Although my opening offer, even in the expensive Bangkok, would be two thousands and not three.
Of course a smart guy would change wording a little if talking to a semi-pro, and definitely changing them completely when talking to a normal girl. But, in all cases, what you want is to install into their mind the tickling notion that you're not their regular, boring fuck. They may like that or not, however why leaving to another motherfucker the fine pleasure of hear them moaning first, then asking for more.
And there is nothing wrong with having a little anal fixation, human kind is doing it since some tens of thousand of years with great satisfaction so why stop right now. Beside, most women truly enjoy it for reasons you need to have pussy _and_ asshole to understand
Yes that comes with complications, but without wanting everyone to become an ass user, learn a funny reply to the immutable line "me lady not ladybody", show them the miracles an hard cock can do when used sensibly, and enjoy.
So many questions, are you writing a novel on the subject?He's just trying to understand how this may be possible for himself. Trying to learn what he can improve / change to get more game.
I've had anal with several normal thai girls, but I don't think ever with a pro.
One girl I had never met but was talking to online wanted to come over for sex but said she was on her period. I suggested anal and she said sure and came over.
I'm not huge into anal, but there's another hole there so why not try it out once in a while if the girl is on her period.
In my own experience, many girls who allow anal sex wouldn't admit it in front of their friends or colleagues. It's something that should be asked discreetly in most cases, IMHO.IMO the same goes for BB vaginal sex. I've had several TGs who did it with me say not to tell their friends that they fucked me without a condom. Loss of face is more important than the truth to Thai people.
Additionally, BTW, if one is going to ask a P4P TG about something in private, such as these things or something else, don't be put off by an initial rejection. IME, at least, often on the second or third request such a lady will agree to what is being asked of her. Just today I experienced that with a lady who at first said she prefered to lick my dick but finally agreed to my persistent requests for French kissing.
Similarly, if these ladies want something from you enough, they will at times request it numerous times, even in instances after you've already agreed to it. For example, if you've just met a girl, finished your first session with her, and made plans to see her again the next day, she may ask you about this several times if you would like to see her then. Don't be frustrated by this useless repetition, as it is their Thai way of doing things.
She may even want you to hook pinky fingers together, which seems to be a TG way of promising to do something.
Time to watch Sparticus on HBO.
Sushilover808
05-22-11, 18:25
I met Nan at the Beer Garden tonight about 11 pm as I was leaving. Nan is 30 years old, very slender girl, and has a 6 year old son. She claims that she does not go to Beer Garden very often & I have not seen her the last few days either. We agreed on ST 1000 baht BBBJ & CIM. I shagged her raw for well over over 1/2 hour in 4 positions but I couldn't finish, she certainly did, probablu more than once. After days of 3 hole service from other providers, something was definately lacking. I stretched her out good! Please check the pictures & tell me if you confirm or deny my findings. Feel free to continue to dig that hole. Her number is 08-7079-6994. Happy stretching!
Mr Enternational
05-22-11, 19:13
Similarly, if these ladies want something from you enough, they will at times request it numerous times, even in instances after you've already agreed to it. For example, if you've just met a girl, finished your first session with her, and made plans to see her again the next day, she may ask you about this several times if you would like to see her then. Don't be frustrated by this useless repetition, as it is their Thai way of doing things.Thanks for clearing this up. It really frustrates me when anybody anywhere asks me the same shit over and over and I do let them know. However, with this insight maybe I can be more tolerant when it happens to me in Thailand, seeing that it is just their way and it does not mean they are just trying to rack my nerves.
Siam Dreamer
05-23-11, 03:48
I met Nan at the Beer Garden tonight about 11 pm as I was leaving. Nan is 30 years old, very slender girl, and has a 6 year old son. She claims that she does not go to Beer Garden very often & I have not seen her the last few days either. We agreed on ST 1000 baht BBBJ & CIM. I shagged her raw for well over over 1/2 hour in 4 positions but I couldn't finish, she certainly did, probablu more than once. After days of 3 hole service from other providers, something was definately lacking. I stretched her out good! Please check the pictures & tell me if you confirm or deny my findings. Feel free to continue to dig that hole. Her number is 08-7079-6994. Happy stretching!Excellent work as she look thoroughly stretched out! That hole looks very deep. Were you able feel anything? Walls? Sides? Anything? LOL!
Pahllus Maximus
05-23-11, 07:40
Without going off on a rant, our lifestyle is under attack. The first is our home currency, especially the US dollar and Euro that have irreparable debt infection and run by incompetents. This translates into high pussy prices and I have been unable to locate a future contract for this activity. I expect there will be a serious deterioration (against us) in the next year, and it is time to hedge in safe currencies or companies with real underling assets, not just for the girls but our own future.
Money = Pussy.
The second is the NAZI like TSA that has now become a general intimidation scheme to remind us all that we have no rights anymore, to shut up, pay until it hurts etc. This feeds into the inevitable and insatiable hunger for taxes that will cause them to routinely raid electronic media to rummage around looking for money or assets offshore. Nothing to do with the war on (word here that is unmentionable but starts with T and is worn threadbare as the ultimate justification to do anything against citizens).
At some point they will make it mandatory to hold worthless currency and maybe make it illegal to hold actual precious metal (as distinct to bits of paper that represent precious metal). Think in terms of shortage of employment, shortage of taxes etc just as the household bills avalanche.
Uncle Sam is going to inflate his way out things, social security payments will have less value than toilet paper. Underfunded pension liabilities of state governments was last time in the $6 TRILLION range. Europe is not much better, and it is all papered over with accounting standards and other forms of financial levitation.
Mongers should consider investment in countries for capital stability and income and think about whether the USA is viable anymore. Immigration for anyone will not always be the case in Asia as Americans become economic and political refugees from an imploding system. Thailand and China are still cheap if you get out of the touristy areas (this is budget dependent).
Anyone else here worried about this? Seriously? Not that Nok / Lik whatever is charging 3000 baht rather than 2500 baht, but rather when USA pussy price reaches parity, which will be the least of our problems. Seriously though, I'll miss my friends, but it is getting close to the point of no return, if not already past it.
Sushilover808
05-23-11, 07:54
Excellent work as she look thoroughly stretched out! That hole looks very deep. Were you able feel anything? Walls? Sides? Anything? LOL!It was a definately wide hole but not deep enough. It was a nice start for the first 5 min or so but 4 positions and about 1/2 hour later all I could feel was the tip of my dick bashing her cervix. She certainly earned her 1K baht. Good times!
Giver her a try. She's a real trooper & also a good reason to ask for 3 hole service. ;-)
Pahllus Maximus
05-23-11, 07:56
Feeling quite philosophical after my 20 why / o cutie with braces and looks very young made me totally explode in her mouth after 20 minutes and swallowed every drop. I should also mention I am not at all into anal as some suggest here, merely explaining that don't confuse girls sweet feminine face and coy act with their hardened and calculating minds.
We are fat water buffalo coupled with a living ATM machine. They are NOT here for fun. They are here to clip a buck as quickly as possible with minimum work. Psychology, lies, deceit are all part of their trade, as are techniques to make us come quickly. Which we confuse with good sex rather than a solid 30 minutes or more of their pussy being stretched. Sometime, they con puppy eyed westerners in to wiring over money. Usually they have several doing this at the same time. I've even seen a secondary industry of professional Thai's writing bar girl speak into English / German / Whatever love letters to string the punters along.
Don't be fooled. I don't give a damn whether they are "real" lesbians or not any more than I care about the fake moans and other bullshit. I find that when I stick my cock in their face they know exactly and immediately what to do and their oily little mouths are usually well practiced. Their acting coy with other bargirls is hilarious, a bit like the times of Dickens where criminals in London had their own class system of "superior" thieves.
Enjoy little brain, keep it in the bedroom and sandbox, financial decisions by the cold light of day and without the oxytocin that floods our sex starved brains they recognize and pounce on.
Enjoy and be happy
Sushilover808
05-23-11, 08:17
my regular girl for massage moved back to issan. i'm looking for a recommendation for a regular (no boom-boom or special services) massage place in the sukhumvit area. please be specific if you know name of the shop, address, massage therapist name.
thank you very much.
New Old Guy
05-23-11, 08:24
We are fat water buffalo coupled with a living ATM machine. They are NOT here for fun. They are here to clip a buck as quickly as possible with minimum work. Psychology, lies, deceit are all part of their trade, as are techniques to make us come quickly.I understand now why people gets at you vehemently. You speak like like a stereotypes handbook. In my experience, I've seen more hard working SWs than the contrary. I've seen many Thai girls not really caring too much for the money, than otherwise. I've seen girls spend their own money with me and not wanting it back. I had a couple (in hundreds) lie to me, but they were out of the door in 30 seconds, without the money they wanted.
Which we confuse with good sex rather than a solid 30 minutes or more of their pussy being stretched. Sometime, they con puppy eyed westerners in to wiring over money. Usually they have several doing this at the same time. I've even seen a secondary industry of professional Thai's writing bar girl speak into English / German / Whatever love letters to string the punters along.That's hardly news, now to be exact they don't con anybody. They do exactly what some Western with a "save-the-innocent-girl" complex wants: Trade dreams for money. When I see them do that I'm so amused and would help them extract more money from the sucker.
Don't be fooled. I don't give a damn whether they are "real" lesbians or not any more than I care about the fake moans and other bullshit. I find that when I stick my cock in their face they know exactly and immediately what to do and their oily little mouths are usually well practiced. Their acting coy with other bargirls is hilarious, a bit like the times of Dickens where criminals in London had their own class system of "superior" thieves.
Enjoy little brain, keep it in the bedroom and sandbox, financial decisions by the cold light of day and without the oxytocin that floods our sex starved brains they recognize and pounce on.
Enjoy and be happyWon't comment on that strange mix of rational punter's observation, literacy references, and apparently DUI investment tips. Enjoy, but take it easy dude!
my regular girl for massage moved back to issan. i'm looking for a recommendation for a regular (no boom-boom or special services) massage place in the sukhumvit area. please be specific if you know name of the shop, address, massage therapist name.
thank you very much. answered most of that question for bangkok xx bob just less than a week ago.
anyways non-mongering issues are probably better placed in the general thread (imho).
NicFrenchy
05-23-11, 15:37
my regular girl for massage moved back to issan. i'm looking for a recommendation for a regular (no boom-boom or special services) massage place in the sukhumvit area. please be specific if you know name of the shop, address, massage therapist name.
thank you very much. try cefle, soi 33 sukhumvit. great place and no extras.
Sushilover808
05-23-11, 16:58
Met this slim girl named Plow (086-214-4223) on her way into the Beer Garden this afternoon. She is a regular at the Beer Garden but does not want the other girls to know she does anal. She is the third girl from the Beer Garden to tell me that she wants it to be secret. Apparently all the girls talk and it is somewhat frowned upon. Don't ask me why, I just shop there. Give her a call if you want her services. Have fun!
Sushilover808
05-23-11, 17:01
Answered most of that question for Bangkok Xx Bob just less than a week ago.
Anyways non-mongering issues are probably better placed in the General Thread (IMHO). Sorry. Missed your earlier post.
I never bring up price. More than once I have had a lady from hotel bars spend the night without price coming up first. And one of the girls from the Sharks front porch too, minus the bar fine. If you get them to bed without price first coming up you won the negotiation. If a girl is too hung up on price I pass. There's always another girl or another night. That's one of the reasons I prefer the hotel bar or club scene. I think I can get a better feel for attitude. Some girls want nothing other than the money, other want the money but are interested having some fun too. I've developed "relationships" with a couple of ladies from these places that enjoy going out for food / drinks and "free" sex, occasionally. I think even the freelancers at places like Spasso or Q-bar desire to maintain somewhat of a slice of normal life or at least a perception of one.Great post, especially this part. Interesting POV. Thanks!
To come back to cost of P4P vs non-pros, an observation I had today looking at my credit card statements for the last few months.
I can separate my trip in three periods of roughly the same duration.
I had a period of a few weeks on islands, being with 2 non-pros (that I met there, and yes, they fucked me on the first date, without fancy gifts or dinners). Going dutch on everything. I spent next to nothing during that time.
I had a period of a few weeks doing only intense P4P in Bangkok. The spike in spending is massive. I spent more in those few weeks than I did in my lifetime on non-pros. I'll say that again and I'm not saying it lightly. More in a few weeks than in my lifetime on non-pros. And I'm in mid-thirties and have been with tens and tens of non-pros from all over the world (about half of them in Asia since I've been here for a long time).
Then I met a pro that I really clicked with and hanged out with her almost exclusively (with one or two exceptions a week going to go-gos, soapies etc). I did not pay her anymore after night 3 and went dutch on everything, treating her like a girlfriend (though being very clear with her that we wouldn't marry anytime soon). For that time period, the spending goes back way down, the same as it did during the non-pro period.
In cold hard numbers, a demonstration of how much more expensive P4P is, unless you are into spending a fortune on your girlfriend (who IMO should be with you for you and not for money).
P4P has a lot of advantages of course. I had a lot of variety during my few weeks of P4P. The chase and getting someone new every day (or several times a day) is fun. No emotional problems. Cheaper though? No fucking way.
The amount of sex was about the same in all periods. YMMV here but I rarely fuck more than 2-4 times a day no matter who I am with. Whether sex was better in any period is open to discussion and probably depends on whether you put a premium on variety, kinkiness, emotions, or whatever floats your boat.
Emotional, loving sex with a girl who also happens to be a well-trained and experienced pro is hard to beat. But that comes with its own set of problems. I'll do a post about my experience with the free pro later on.
here is a report on several places i've visited. i'll throw here anything that isn't a go-go, and do a report on go-gos later. i'm not sure if it is allowed to cross-post here and in the massage places thread, but after all, all of this is in bkk, so i'm posting this in the bkk thread and on the massage place thread.
arkane (soi 33) : i went there with 3 friends, once. only one girl in the limited line-up (8 girls or so only) was cute and i took her instantly. my friends had to go somewhere else. service was good but i wouldn't go back, the choice is too limited. it's also bj only. and the rooms are very cramped. note that the other arkane (i forgot the location) has even less choice, and older girls (in their thirties and fourties).
dream heaven massage: in front of arkane 33. a few cute-ish girls here, but nothing that will take your breath away. i recommend ice, who i took twice. good service, cute face, very cute body. their vip room has a big mirror by the side of the bed.
nataree: i was there several times. maybe the biggest line-up of all massage places. around 40 or 50 girls. some cute girls but nothing exceptional imo. good service and prices (around 2600). ok rooms. big mirrors.
caesar: i'm not sure what their deal is. i went there 6 or 7 times since it's close to nataree. every time there was only 3 or 4 girls on offer. if i came at 6 pm they would say i should have come at 2 pm, and vice-versa. i've given up on the place and don't even bother checking it anymore when i'm in the area.
emmanuelle: exactly the same deal as for caesar. with one exception, once they actually had a pretty big line up (maybe 20 girls or so) , but only one beautiful girl. she was expensive though and i didn't like the limited choice, so i did not partake.
subway: i was there a few times since it's next to nataree. i never saw a beautiful woman in there.
hi-class: i was there only once and was ripped off with bad service, with a girl that i took because she was recommended by the papasan! i wasn't asking for anything out of the ordinary, but the girl gave up on me when i wasn't coming after 15 minutes or so. no money back or change of girls of course. you pay in advance and management will not care if you have a bad time. this was maybe the only time i actually got pissed off by a bad experience. not so much at the girl but at the papasan, who got a 100 tip for his "recommendation" and later told me to go fuck myself. on principle, i'm never going back there.
coppa cabana: i was there several times. i'm not sure why this place gets no press here. they have quite a few hot girls, hotter than in most places. maybe 4 or 6 hot girls total in a line up of 15 or so. price from 2000 to 5000. the availability of hot girls is highly dependent on timing though. mostly good service, but one pop only. nice rooms.
poseidon: i was there 3 times with friends since it's right next to coppa. we left with nothing each time. the line up on the "model floor" is relatively small (5 to 15 girls) and the girls just aren't that beautiful. they seem to think that tall = hot. there are some beautiful girls in a booklet that you can order based on pics, but personally i only take girls i can see face-to-face to be able to screen for attitude and chemistry. i would not go back there.
amsterdam: i was there several times. big line-up at the right times (early afternoon weekends, after 6 on weekdays). expensive (3000 to 6000). a good choice of beautiful girls, but don't expect too much from the reviews here. most of the girls still aren't that hot, but there are 5 or 6 beauties. excellent service (maybe the best i've had in bkk) but one pop only. nice rooms. big mirror. beware that if your girl asks for a drink, she might order some overpriced 300 baths cocktail. this happened to me once and i gave the mamasan a piece of my mind afterwards. this kind of trick shouldn't happen in this kind of place. make sure you always check what your girl is ordering.
eden bar: i went there with 5 friends. 2 of them who were still drunk from the night before went for it, and later reported the experience was so-so. everyone else thought none of the girls was hot. we left.
the lord: i was there once with friends. very limited line-up (4 girls). none of them hot. i never went back.
collonze2: i was there right after the lord (it's next door). bigger line up, but no beautiful girls.
[CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901): i was there once early afternoon. the team was outside having lunch. i left running. if women in their mid-forties with thick waists and acne scars are your thing, this will be heaven.
so of all those places, i would only recommend amsterdam, coppa cabanna, nataree, and maybe dream heaven.
Sushilover808
05-24-11, 01:33
Answered most of that question for Bangkok Xx Bob just less than a week ago.
Anyways non-mongering issues are probably better placed in the General Thread (IMHO). Found it: http://www.asiaherbassociation.com/en/index.html
Thank you for your help.
Sushilover808
05-24-11, 04:28
Met her at Beer Garden on Saturday night. Made a deal for 3 hole service for 1000 baht short time. She has a nice body. Back to my hotel & all was going well with BBBJ. Then she said,"you too big for my ass, pussy ok". I was pissed because she didn't even try. I asked her to leave & paid her 200 baht. She said,"you are bad man".
Am I? What would you do?
FreebieFan
05-24-11, 05:00
. Then she said,"you too big for my ass, pussy ok". I was pissed because she didn't even try. I asked her to leave & paid her 200 baht. She said,"you are bad man".
Am I? What would you do?I would smile. I've been called a Bad Man many times. I always agree with them when they say it. Usually followed by "please don't slam the door as you leave "
Am I? What would you do?I'd stop trying to negotiate everything up front and go with the flow. No reason to get so worked up.
Lover Boy #2
05-24-11, 05:24
Met her at Beer Garden on Saturday night. Made a deal for 3 hole service for 1000 baht short time. She has a nice body. Back to my hotel & all was going well with BBBJ. Then she said,"you too big for my ass, pussy ok". I was pissed because she didn't even try. I asked her to leave & paid her 200 baht. She said,"you are bad man".
Am I? What would you do? Since you asked. I would say."I make mistake bar". (cause she not A grade material in any case). Then the 200 be payment. Then she say "you are bad man". Then I say to myself."OK. But you lie me". As door shuts with she on other side.
Sushilover808
05-24-11, 05:50
What is similair about riding a scooter & fucking a big girl? Both are fun until somebody sees you!
After that problem early on Saturday night, I was back at the Beer Garden for more hunting. I met a really fun girl that spoke english well. She was a big girl (about 5'6" & a little heavy) that normally is not my type but she was fun to chat with. After about 15 minutes, she said that she was going to a disco with her friends and asked me to join them. I declined. She asked me for 200 baht for drinks. I said,"why don't you just fuck me for 1000?" BBBJ, fuck, & CIM was all good but what was I thinking? I didn't realize how big a girl she was until I took pictures. I took an Ambien CR to get a good sleep & try to forget my poor choice. Recommended only if you like chunky monkeys.
The moral of the story is ALWAYS stay sober enough to make good choices. I fucked up.
LittleBigMan
05-24-11, 06:03
S808,
I don't know if you are bad man or not? But I can say you got more guts!
LBM
Hardrock47
05-24-11, 06:06
Spent about a week in Bangkok. Went to CM2 at the Novotel, Siam on Saturday 14/5/11. Aound midnight spotted an Uzbeki girl who looked like someone I had interacted with on an earlier trip. However she turned out to the the sister of the girl I knew. As she looked quite similar and cute, took her for the night. She was quite a tigress in bed. Lots of biting, kissing and playing with my privates. Good hard sex in various positions. Finally fell asleep at 5. 30 in the morning after playing around for 4 hours.
On Monday went again to CM2 and around midnight spotted both the sisters. Took the one from my earlier trip and the experience was great. Total girl friend, kissing, biting, licking, sucking, hard sex with lot of positions and variations. Was so good that asked her to stay for 2 nights / 2 days. Woke up the next day at 1600 hours and went for lunch and played some pool befor hitting the sack for another 4-5 hour marathon session. I'm glad that I took this girl again as the interaction built on my earlier trip and was better than any other that I had experienced. Look forward to my next trip to Bangkok and hooking up with her again.
Never click on Sushilover's pics before breakfast.
For the record though, I think this girl looks slightly less nasty than the previous one. Although it's a fine line.
After such an experience, I would need cyanide, not Ambien ;)
NicFrenchy
05-24-11, 10:50
what was I thinking? I didn't realize how big a girl she was until I took pictures. I took an Ambien CR to get a good sleep & try to forget my poor choice. Recommended only if you like chunky monkeys.
The moral of the story is ALWAYS stay sober enough to make good choices. I fucked up. In the First Pic, it looks like a Dude
Spent about a week in Bangkok. Went to CM2 at the Novotel, Siam on Saturday 14/5/11. Aound midnight spotted an Uzbeki girl who looked like someone I had interacted with on an earlier trip. However she turned out to the the sister of the girl I knew. As she looked quite similar and cute, took her for the night. She was quite a tigress in bed. Lots of biting, kissing and playing with my privates. Good hard sex in various positions. Finally fell asleep at 5. 30 in the morning after playing around for 4 hours.
On Monday went again to CM2 and around midnight spotted both the sisters. Took the one from my earlier trip and the experience was great. Total girl friend, kissing, biting, licking, sucking, hard sex with lot of positions and variations. Was so good that asked her to stay for 2 nights / 2 days. Woke up the next day at 1600 hours and went for lunch and played some pool befor hitting the sack for another 4-5 hour marathon session. I'm glad that I took this girl again as the interaction built on my earlier trip and was better than any other that I had experienced. Look forward to my next trip to Bangkok and hooking up with her again. You must be a rich man, as longtimes from CM2 Russians / Uzbekis run around 8000 baht, and 2 days 2 nights would probably add up to a very princely sum.
Rambis Youth
05-24-11, 11:38
Met her at Beer Garden on Saturday night. Made a deal for 3 hole service for 1000 baht short time. She has a nice body. Back to my hotel & all was going well with BBBJ. Then she said,"you too big for my ass, pussy ok". I was pissed because she didn't even try. I asked her to leave & paid her 200 baht. She said,"you are bad man".
Am I? What would you do? Am I the only one surprised (s) he had 3 holes?
Rambis Youth
05-24-11, 11:45
What is similair about riding a scooter & fucking a big girl? Both are fun until somebody sees you!
After that problem early on Saturday night, I was back at the Beer Garden for more hunting. I met a really fun girl that spoke english well. She was a big girl (about 5'6" & a little heavy) that normally is not my type but she was fun to chat with. After about 15 minutes, she said that she was going to a disco with her friends and asked me to join them. I declined. She asked me for 200 baht for drinks. I said,"why don't you just fuck me for 1000?" BBBJ, fuck, & CIM was all good but what was I thinking? I didn't realize how big a girl she was until I took pictures. I took an Ambien CR to get a good sleep & try to forget my poor choice. Recommended only if you like chunky monkeys.
The moral of the story is ALWAYS stay sober enough to make good choices. I fucked up. And again! Giving you the benefit of the doubt, we have very different taste in women.
Am I the only one surprised (s) he had 3 holes?No when I first saw those two photos, I immediately thought these were two post-op ladyboys. The face of those two chicks are way to masculine to have been original females. And Thailand is the sex change capital of the world. So I think ol' "girl's" coyness at trying the 3rd hole was really just a show since I would think most LBs take it that way pre-op. I'm just saying. But the other 3 holers prior to these two looked quite stunning and 100% original females.
No when I first saw those two photos, I immediately thought these were two post-op ladyboys. The face of those two chicks are way to masculine to have been original females. And Thailand is the sex change capital of the world. So I think ol' "girl's" coyness at trying the 3rd hole was really just a show since I would think most LBs take it that way pre-op. I'm just saying. But the other 3 holers prior to these two looked quite stunning and 100% original females.Sushilover gets a pass on these two as he did mention he was a bit liquored up and it was DARK. And they did have the requisite female parts. But I have to say I saw more than my fair share of LBs during my visit to AC and I steered clear. Not my cup of tea (bags)!
Horny Landoora
05-24-11, 15:19
No when I first saw those two photos, I immediately thought these were two post-op ladyboys. The face of those two chicks are way to masculine to have been original females. And Thailand is the sex change capital of the world. So I think ol' "girl's" coyness at trying the 3rd hole was really just a show since I would think most LBs take it that way pre-op. I'm just saying. But the other 3 holers prior to these two looked quite stunning and 100% original females.Well I agree, these both seem to be Lady boys! It seems Sushilover had a drink too many!
Met her at Beer Garden on Saturday night. Made a deal for 3 hole service for 1000 baht short time. She has a nice body. Back to my hotel & all was going well with BBBJ. Then she said,"you too big for my ass, pussy ok". I was pissed because she didn't even try. I asked her to leave & paid her 200 baht. She said,"you are bad man".
Am I? What would you do? Look at the size of its hands and fingers. And those plastic tits.
How drunk were you?
Met this slim girl named Plow (086-214-4223) on her way into the Beer Garden this afternoon. She is a regular at the Beer Garden but does not want the other girls to know she does anal. She is the third girl from the Beer Garden to tell me that she wants it to be secret. Apparently all the girls talk and it is somewhat frowned upon. Don't ask me why, I just shop there. Give her a call if you want her services. Have fun!Look at those hand fingers. Another man.
NicFrenchy
05-24-11, 16:34
He probably won't post anymore under that name. I'd do the same. If I posted about fucking a dude, I'd change my name pretty fucking quick and bury the old one/
I had breakfast before I saw the pics. Say no more.
To each man his own, but the nagging question is how desperate is he? Or does he have bad vision? Very bad vision?
Sushilover808
05-24-11, 18:57
I'll take all your ribbing. I deserve it because those last two were far from attractive but I guarentee you they were born women. I offer the following proof: 1. They had all the right parts. They all had tummy and other stretch marks from pregnancy. 2. They talked about their children and showed pictures. 3. They are repeat workers at the Beer Garden where TV / TS / LB are not permitted. I have reviewed my pictures postedand none of then have implantes. Check again! Those were difinately chicks.
Sushilover808
05-24-11, 19:39
I saw the new Pirates of the Carribbean movie with a friend at Sian Paragon then stopped in for 1 drink at the Beer Garden before going back to my hotel on soi 11. Many of the usuals were there. The band was playing so it must have been after 10 pm. Before long this 28 year old spinner comes over & agrees to 3 hole service for 1K baht. Extremely loud moaning service completed in about 45 minutes. Everything done as asked so I give her a good rating. Call Dao if you want to at 082-885-3761. Happy hunting!
I respectfully request that any pussies out there not look at my graphic pictures.
Radical Guy
05-24-11, 20:04
Met her at Beer Garden on Saturday night. Made a deal for 3 hole service for 1000 baht short time. She has a nice body. Back to my hotel & all was going well with BBBJ. Then she said,"you too big for my ass, pussy ok". I was pissed because she didn't even try. I asked her to leave & paid her 200 baht. She said,"you are bad man".
Am I? What would you do? Well, you didn't have to pay her the full amount, but certainly no reason to be pissed- unless you've taken a big dick up YOUR ass. LOL
Cloud Cloud
05-24-11, 21:25
Spent about a week in Bangkok. Went to CM2 at the Novotel, Siam on Saturday 14/5/11. Aound midnight spotted an Uzbeki girl who looked like someone I had interacted with on an earlier trip. However she turned out to the the sister of the girl I knew. As she looked quite similar and cute, took her for the night. She was quite a tigress in bed. Lots of biting, kissing and playing with my privates. Good hard sex in various positions. Finally fell asleep at 5. 30 in the morning after playing around for 4 hours.
On Monday went again to CM2 and around midnight spotted both the sisters. Took the one from my earlier trip and the experience was great. Total girl friend, kissing, biting, licking, sucking, hard sex with lot of positions and variations. Was so good that asked her to stay for 2 nights / 2 days. Woke up the next day at 1600 hours and went for lunch and played some pool befor hitting the sack for another 4-5 hour marathon session. I'm glad that I took this girl again as the interaction built on my earlier trip and was better than any other that I had experienced. Look forward to my next trip to Bangkok and hooking up with her again. How much were you down? 1st night? Next 2 nights? Thanks
Siam Dreamer
05-24-11, 23:10
I saw the new Pirates of the Carribbean movie with a friend at Sian Paragon then stopped in for 1 drink at the Beer Garden before going back to my hotel on soi 11. Many of the usuals were there. The band was playing so it must have been after 10 pm. Before long this 28 year old spinner comes over & agrees to 3 hole service for 1K baht. Extremely loud moaning service completed in about 45 minutes. Everything done as asked so I give her a good rating. Call Dao if you want to at 082-885-3761. Happy hunting!
I respectfully request that any pussies out there not look at my graphic pictures. Great work! That hole looks well stretched and pretty big (love it). Which makes we wonder. Are you fisting them also? Great post.
I'll take all your ribbing. I deserve it because those last two were far from attractive but I guarentee you they were born women. I offer the following proof: 1. They had all the right parts. They all had tummy and other stretch marks from pregnancy. 2. They talked about their children and showed pictures. 3. They are repeat workers at the Beer Garden where TV / TS / LB are not permitted. I have reviewed my pictures postedand none of then have implantes. Check again! Those were difinately chicks.Hey Sushilover,
I am in no way trying to pile on. I only have my limited experiences visiting Phuket a long time ago and more recently my visit to the Philippines which formed the basis of my comments. Dude, you are basking in the LOS while I myself I am in sexually repressive USA. So no hatin' on my part. I just was being real with what I saw and I guess it stems from my newfound skepticism I developed from spending a year of my life in a royal $4it hole of a place (nope no prison but it felt that way is all I am going to say). If you still tune in to the world news, it just can't seem to stay out of the news reel even though the US activities there are drawing down (if that wasn't a major hint, I don't know what else to say other than to say the country could be the next place Steve Jobs goes to patent a product and he wouldn't have to come up with a name for it. Just name it after the country!). Anyway, keep on banging those 3 holers. I am a fellow 3 hole seeker when I go mongering. Keep on serving up the sushi!
Sushilover808
05-25-11, 05:10
I'm headed to Soi Cowboy for the first time tonight. Any recommendations on the best 2 or 3 bars to go to for shows and best times to go. I did RIFF and will probably go to Suzie Wong's for the lesbo show but anything else? PM if you want to meet tonight.
Thanks. SL
I'm headed to Soi Cowboy for the first time tonight. Any recommendations on the best 2 or 3 bars to go to for shows and best times to go. I did RIFF and will probably go to Suzie Wong's for the lesbo show but anything else? PM if you want to meet tonight.
Thanks. SLThe show at Long Gun.
For some reason I couldn't find pretty much anything when searching for Gullivers.
Is it worth checking out at night?
For some reason I couldn't find pretty much anything when searching for Gullivers.
Is it worth checking out at night? Try Thread searching for this including the double quote marks:
"Gulliver's"
For some reason I couldn't find pretty much anything when searching for Gullivers.
Is it worth checking out at night? No. The food sucks, women are about on par quality-wise with BG +/- but far fewer choices. Exhaust all other options first...
This report is based on the four days I spent in Bangkok, one of my favourite Asian cities and not just for the red-light-delights.
This trip was in January 2010 but I reckon nothing much has changed since.
Eden Club
As I have been won't to do on the last x Number of trips to BKK, I started off with my Day One pilgrimage to Eden. What a huge disappointment It turned out to be, for two main reasons:
1. Marc was not there and another Frenchman was in charge. What an absolute ass. Whereas Marc has always been courteous and helpful the substitute was smug, self-important and too generous in his assessment of his own with. Soured the experience from the get-go.
2. The selection of girls was, in my view, at an all-time low. Really bottom-of-the-barrel quality.
Being a perverse sort of chap, I went ahead anyway and picked two girls from the left side. To be fair to them, they both tried very hard and performed the whole repertoire from rug-munching to fucking each other with strap-ons; BBBJ, CIM, COF, Anal; the works. I managed to come twice but I have to say I really didn't want to be there. I went through the motions, partly because the girls were trying so hard to please and partly because it felt like a final farewell to Eden: one thing is for damn sure, I am not going back there again.
Soi Cowboy
Hallelujah, I have seen the afterlife and it is a street lined with bars filled with gyrating Thai girls!
Round One
Armed with Sir Insertalot's patient advice, I girded my loins and ventured forth on Day Two. Went straight to Shark Bar And the girls on show were truly superb. Within two minutes of sitting down and ordering my first Singha, I caught the eye of a lovely mocha-coloured thing sitting and waiting to go on stage, beckoned her over and that was the rest of the evening and the whole of the next morning booked. She was number 30 ("Joy") and she was game for a laugh.
After necking a couple of tequila slammers at Shark, I paid the barfine and off we went on a bit of a bar-hop through the Soi and onto the NEP. (As an aside, the performances at Long Gun are really standout: some of those girls are world class pole dancers and one in particular. She has a tattoo,"Mandee" in gothic script across her stomach. Looked like she'd be wild in the sack).
Eventually ended up back in my hotel after several rounds of whisky and she turned out to be eager and willing, but fairly inexperienced in bed. What the hell, I am perverse after all so I found this a turn-on. Plus she was gorgeous and She let me video and photograph everything. She did make me promise not to put anything on the net though and, as I am a gentleman of my word (despite also being a colossal perve) , I shall honour my promise.
She stayed the night and we woke up with another round, spent the day lolling in bed together and off she went. I like this girl. She was classy as well as hot.
Round Two
Back to Shark the next evening after a brief detour via Tilac (in my view, not a patch on Shark) , hoping that number 18 (Noi) (whom I'd seen the previous night after bar-fining Joy) would be around and Joy would not. I'd noticed that Noi had a mischievous look about her, not to mention a great ass and fine legs and I'd been obsessing about her all afternoon.
Praise the lawd, glory be, Noi was on stage and Joy was nowhere to be seen. I wasted no time in getting Noi to come sit with me, downed a couple of quick slammers, agreed terms and off we went. Progress through the Soi was a bit slow as Noi seemed to know tons of girls in other bars and seemed very popular. She also seemed to be very kind-hearted, buying flowers off a little girl hawking roses and buying a round of drinks for some of the other girls (she'd already got me a whisky slammer at Shark before we left). Stopped in at Long Gun to check out Mandee on stage again and then headed for the hotel.
Passionate snogging in the taxi and I thought I'd hit pay-dirt: sexy, fun-loving, confident, generous girl. I thought the sex would be great. Boy was I wrong. Got to the hotel, had a shower together, got in bed and Noi completely broke down. She started telling me about having worked in Saudi Arabia for a month and then started sobbing uncontrollably. Cried and cried. God knows what happened to the poor girl over there. I realised that the confidence was a big facade hiding a fragile and emotionally scarred little girl beneath. Anyway, I just held her and tried to comfort as best I can. Think she'd had a few too many gin and tins too, which didn't help.
Eventually she stopped crying, cuddled for a bit longer and then initiated sex. Ok, what the hell thought I and went for it. It was pretty crap, truth be told, and I felt like a bit of a heel too so got it over and done with pretty soon.
Afterwards, she asked if it's ok if she leaves (we'd agreed LT). I said yes of course, she only took money for ST and I put her in a cab home. More hugging and passionate kissing in the street as she got in.
A request from me if any of you guys go to Shark and pick Noi up. Be nice to her, think she's had some pretty bad shit happen to her in Saudi.
Annie's
Last day and finished up with a visit to Annie's. My first in four years. I'd e-mailed Aey through another forum and she had recommended a sideliner."N". As fitting my bill. Bang on the money."N" was a lovely lovely girl. Eager and willing to please, very concerned that I was happy throughout. Slim, fair-complexioned, pretty face, nice legs.
Great soapy body-slide, in the tub and on the mat; excellent BBBJ in the tub and on the bed; very accommodating in FS. Finished off with a bravura COF which even took me by surprise. It wasn't a Peter North by any stretch of the imagination, but it was not bloody bad after four days in a row! Duly complimented by "N" too, which was a nice touch, but really the credit goes to her.
All in all, a quintessential BKK soapy experience and kudos also to Aey for the recommendation. Definitely visiting Annie's again next time in Bangkok.
Also on the agenda for next time in BKK: Poseidon and / or Copa Cabana plus CM2.
NicFrenchy
05-26-11, 07:55
No. The food sucks, women are about on par quality-wise with BG +/- but far fewer choices. Exhaust all other options first...Yes, I second that opinion.
I'm headed to Soi Cowboy for the first time tonight. Any recommendations on the best 2 or 3 bars to go to for shows and best times to go. I did RIFF and will probably go to Suzie Wong's for the lesbo show but anything else? PM if you want to meet tonight. Thanks. SLIf you can find her, there is a lady that sells the best grilled sausages in Bangkok from her food cart on Soi Cowboy.
IMHO, very tasty and much better than sushi. ;)
No. The food sucks, women are about on par quality-wise with BG +/- but far fewer choices. Exhaust all other options first...Depends on what you are looking for.
The food that I had at Gullivers was always very good and well arranged on the plate.
But more expensive than at the BG.
Women at Gullivers have far more better English skills than the ones in the BG.
But normally they are waiting for you to start the conversation. In the BG there are many women who will approach you and try to talk to you.
Both places are always worth a try as they are nearby (about 5 min walking distance).
Maa Paa
Depends on what you are looking for.
The food that I had at Gullivers was always very good and well arranged on the plate.
But more expensive than at the BG.
Women at Gullivers have far more better English skills than the ones in the BG.
But normally they are waiting for you to start the conversation. In the BG there are many women who will approach you and try to talk to you.
Both places are always worth a try as they are nearby (about 5 min walking distance).
Maa PaaWell, I was looking for a basic pub style meal as I was in a hurry that evening and for some reason I remember it like it was yesterday – a cheeseburger w / fries. The burger was thin, tasteless and cardboard-like with an unmelted slice of Kraft American cheese on a stale bun. I don't love fries but I did that night and I don't recall the presentation as that's not what I was there for.
I also recall that that night as most times I've stopped in, I seemed to spend more time glancing at the revolving car then the women. But hey, different strokes right...
BUT, what I do think is indisputable (and draws people in) is their location - must be one of the best in the Suk area!
Somewhere15
05-26-11, 16:44
Depends on what you are looking for.
The food that I had at Gullivers was always very good and well arranged on the plate.
But more expensive than at the BG.
Women at Gullivers have far more better English skills than the ones in the BG.
But normally they are waiting for you to start the conversation. In the BG there are many women who will approach you and try to talk to you.
Both places are always worth a try as they are nearby (about 5 min walking distance).
Maa PaaIn my experience many girls in Gulliver's even do not act as "working" girls.
A while ago I stayed for nearly 6 months in the area and spend a lot of time (afternoon, evening en late nights) in Gulliver's.
During playing pool you get the best oppertunity to talk to these girls (sometimes I had to invite them to play separate in the backside area).
Took many of them afterwards with me (mostly I look always for new girls) but also saw many of them later leaving Gulliver's by themselves and collecting their car from Foodland car park and heading home.
Agree with the English skills and moslty upfront no money was discussed and I gave them 1. 500 afterwards (and mostly had the feeling the girls where happy with that).
In my experience many girls in Gulliver's even do not act as "working" girls. ......Agree. I am quite sure that many women here are working only "part time". Depending on the level of money in their purse. If they need or want some extra money, they know that they can make it around here.
Many of them have jobs in an office and get a monthly salery.
Maa Paa
The food that I had at Gullivers was..well arranged on the plate.Can you elaborate on this?
FreebieFan
05-27-11, 03:45
Agree. I am quite sure that many women here are working only "part time". Depending on the level of money in their purse. If they need or want some extra money, they know that they can make it around here.
Many of them have jobs in an office and get a monthly salery.
Maa PaaTheres at least 3 girls from JW Marriott nearby who do some part time jobs in Gullivers.
I remember that one of them had been nearby when I was checking in.
Was funny when she said "where do you stay ".
Luckily she wasnt my type as I guess theres no way she would have gone back with me.
RasSpewtin
05-27-11, 05:49
Can you elaborate on this?Not to put words in Maa Paa's mouth, but I believe what he is saying is that the food in Guliver's is small portions and high cost by Thai standards. I have not been there for a couple of years now, but that was my experience when I went there last around 2009.
Raz
Met her at Beer Garden on Saturday night. Made a deal for 3 hole service for 1000 baht short time. She has a nice body. Back to my hotel & all was going well with BBBJ. Then she said,"you too big for my ass, pussy ok". I was pissed because she didn't even try. I asked her to leave & paid her 200 baht. She said,"you are bad man".
Am I? What would you do?She's been around at least 5-6 years and has probably pulled this hundreds of times (and gotten away with it 99). I went with one of her friends who told me after 30 minutes that it was enough, because it was only short time. I gave her 200 baht and opened the door, and the next day her whole gang was talking about how I was a bad man who didn't pay.
What is similair about riding a scooter & fucking a big girl? Both are fun until somebody sees you!
After that problem early on Saturday night, I was back at the Beer Garden for more hunting. I met a really fun girl that spoke english well. She was a big girl (about 5'6" & a little heavy) that normally is not my type but she was fun to chat with. After about 15 minutes, she said that she was going to a disco with her friends and asked me to join them. I declined. She asked me for 200 baht for drinks. I said,"why don't you just fuck me for 1000?" BBBJ, fuck, & CIM was all good but what was I thinking? I didn't realize how big a girl she was until I took pictures. I took an Ambien CR to get a good sleep & try to forget my poor choice. Recommended only if you like chunky monkeys.
The moral of the story is ALWAYS stay sober enough to make good choices. I fucked up. I think she is not a she but a "He"
Hardrock47
05-27-11, 09:22
Further to my previous report on Uzbeki's at CM2, Novotel, the cost per night worked out to US$250.00 and for 2 nights / 2 days US$500.00
Sushilover808
05-28-11, 03:11
For great 3 hole service, find Ai (087-703-1801) at the Beer Garden or better yet just give her a call to arrange delivery! I paid 1000 baht for ST. She privided great BBBJ & could take it long & deep & front to back & back to front. Good times!
Mealticket
05-28-11, 12:13
Further to my previous report on Uzbeki's at CM2, Novotel, the cost per night worked out to US$250.00 and for 2 nights / 2 days US$500.00Reminds me of Rodney in "caddyshack"
"how could anyone be happy paying 7 times more than market?"
Turning to the punter.
"but I'm sure it was great for you"
Not to put words in Maa Paa's mouth, but I believe what he is saying is that the food in Guliver's is small portions and high cost by Thai standards. I have not been there for a couple of years now, but that was my experience when I went there last around 2009.
RazThe dishes are more expensive than the ones in the BG or at a street food stall. No question, no daubt.
But for us as tourists or expats it's still cheap enough to have lunch or dinner there several times a week without getting broke.
And I tried only a few dishes."Pork chop","something Zurich style","grilled beef slices or so","Tom kha gai","chicken breast". The portions have been big enough for me. But I have to confess that I am full quite fast. So, maybe I am the wrong person to judge about the quantity.
Just from the impression, just in my personal, own opinion the food here is better than in the BG although I could never complain about BG food.
Maa Paa
For great 3 hole service, find Ai (087-703-1801) at the Beer Garden or better yet just give her a call to arrange delivery! I paid 1000 baht for ST. She privided great BBBJ & could take it long & deep & front to back & back to front. Good times!She take it Bareback?
Sushilover808
05-29-11, 06:24
She take it Bareback?You gotta ask her! My experience has been that service depends on the money paid, personal rapport, & time of the month. Good luck!
Sushilover808
05-29-11, 07:25
I met a thirty something small girl close to the Nana Parking lot around midnight a couple nights ago. I asked about anal for 1000 baht & she said,"sure, I like". I was a litttle surprised but it turned out to be 100% true. Fantastic 3 hole service with about 75% of the time in her ass. Fucked her as hard as I could & she was ok with it. CIM too. The she said," you want massage?" I said sure. She gave a very good Thai massage for about an hour. I felt horny again so we went for round 2. Looooooooong session. I was beat! I tipped 600 so total 1600 for about 3 hours great service. Decent body for someone in her mid-30s and average looks but highly recommended for exceptional service. She is very clean too.
Here's the bad news. I was too tired to take pictures & forgot her name but she wrote down her phone number. I suggest you contact her & continue the stretching. 086-006-5313. Maybe her name was Min or Nin. Enjoy!
NicFrenchy
05-29-11, 08:24
Here's the bad news. I was too tired to take pictures & forgot her name but she wrote down her phone number. I suggest you contact her & continue the stretching. xxx-xxx-xxxx. Maybe her name was Min or Nin. Enjoy!I am not sure it is a good idea to post girls phone numbers in public. I mean, there are really some sick fuckers reading this forum so I don't think you're doing the girl any favors.
Sushilover808
05-29-11, 09:50
I am not sure it is a good idea to post girls phone numbers in public. I mean, there are really some sick fuckers reading this forum so I don't think you're doing the girl any favors.NicFrenchy,
I think in BKK it is free for people to receive calls. We are all ISG members looking for girls for good times. I ask the girl if I can have their phone number & have my friend call them. Yes, you are 100% correct that I do not tell them that it is posted on ISG. Has anyone contacted the girls because I posted on this forum & had a good time? If not, I will respect NF's seniority & stop. I just think it will be less business for the girls.
NicFrenchy,
I think in BKK it is free for people to receive calls. We are all ISG members looking for girls for good times. I ask the girl if I can have their phone number & have my friend call them. Yes, you are 100% correct that I do not tell them that it is posted on ISG. Has anyone contacted the girls because I posted on this forum & had a good time? If not, I will respect NF's seniority & stop. I just think it will be less business for the girls. The point made by NF was right. You told the girls you pass it on to your friends. Appreciate the sense if community, the goodwill to share on ISG, and now I have her cell. Still am I your friend? Do you know me? I could be a wanker making nasty phone calls in the middle of the night. I don't think in such a case the girl will be happy to get "my business". I am happy to share some phone nos. With real friends or, in the case of this ISG community, with people with a bit of history. This still doesn't prevent bad or unpleasant things happening but at least reduces the chances. There are indeed girls putting their numbers on the net. But their decision and maybe with a specific phone. My 2 cents.
I am not sure it is a good idea to post girls phone numbers in public. I mean, there are really some sick fuckers reading this forum so I don't think you're doing the girl any favors.I can go on dating sites and get girl's numbers without joining the site. Check out DIA for example. Some girls list their phone numbers and email addresses, which you can get just by browsing the ads. Now I just posted info for those "sick fuckers". Was that a bad idea? There are sick puppys out there, but when was the last time you heard of someone harassing a girl from info on a web site? At least one of those girls may have a new customer next week. I am sure she will be happy I got her number. Of course, I won't tell her I got it from this site.
NicFrenchy
05-29-11, 13:15
NicFrenchy,
I think in BKK it is free for people to receive calls. We are all ISG members looking for girls for good times. I ask the girl if I can have their phone number & have my friend call them. Yes, you are 100% correct that I do not tell them that it is posted on ISG. Has anyone contacted the girls because I posted on this forum & had a good time? If not, I will respect NF's seniority & stop. I just think it will be less business for the girls. It's not about seniority, I was just saying it might not be safe for HER to have her number published in ISG.
You should see the Sick guys who send me messages with questions about which girl would do this and that (all disturbed stuff by the way).
The thing to do would be to publicly write that you have her number and that you will pass it along via PM. That way you can screen who you give the number to. For me, I usually only give details to people who have contributed here or that I have met in person.
Trust me, there are some mentally disturbed people reading this Forum and posting the number can put the girl in potential danger.
Just better be careful
NicFrenchy
05-29-11, 13:23
I can go on dating sites and get girl's numbers without joining the site. Check out DIA for example. Some girls list their phone numbers and email addresses, which you can get just by browsing the ads.But it is THEIR choice to have the numbers published, in this case, he said he would pass it on to Friends and now she will get 100 phone calls at every sick hour of the day or night.
Member #4178
05-29-11, 18:26
Dating with thai ladies is a waste of time.
From 40 phones number zero showed up at my hotel.
I used http://www.thailovelinks.com Got so many numbers but in reality its not working.
They don't like to call and less to come to the hotel.
Used the same method in africa and did a sex marathon for free, but here its not working.
Anyway I recommend http://www.kingstonbangkok.com/ Only 1600 per night including two breakfast.
I don't want to leave the room.
JP
So speaking of beautiful girls in go-gos, here is a report on the go-go scene.
1. Nana vs Cowboy.
It's a tough call between the 2. Nana IMO is more for quickly picking up a girl and leaving. Cowboy is more "festive", so to speak. If I wanted to entertain clients or bring friends to a go-go, it would be in Cowboy not in Nana.
However for availability of beautiful girls, I would say Nana wins. Not by much, but it does.
2. Nana.
Rainbow 1: nothing interesting
Rainbow 2: resting on its past laurels. Not so many cute girls there anymore. But a big line-up.
Rainbow 3: quite a lot of beautiful girls, but many of them aloof.
Rainbow 4: still quite a lot of beautiful women, and I like this place because you are sitting so close to the girls. And the girls are nice. Big line-up. The best Rainbow IMO.
Mandarin: some cute girls, but very dark in there so sometimes hard to judge.
Angelwitch: one or two cute girls, a more fun atmosphere usually than in the Rainbows.
Cascade: LB bar. I was there once with a friend who likes LB, I would say it's worth checking out once for the experience. Very big place and many LBs inside. Be prepared for some intense selling.
3. Cowboy.
Tilac: not bad but I dislike the fact that the hottest girls cannot be taken (coyotes). As a result and on principle I rarely go there unless I have friends inside.
Shark: it can be a fun place. There are some cute girls. The bar and line-up is smaller than average however.
Bacarra: maybe the best place in Cowboy. Big line-up. I still don't understand the often-repeated idea that the second floor is where it's at. I find girls on the first floor are usually cuter (and taller). I almost never buy the supposedly "required" 2 ladydrinks and have only had a problem once (I left alone). Apparently the boss of this place is French?
Other places not mentioned here: either I've not checked them out, or I've been inside once or twice and concluded that they were a waste of time. Like Suzie Wong and their silly shows; thanks but no thanks.
Poopsicle Joe
05-29-11, 20:28
Being younger than most of the fossils that inhabit this forum and older than the ones who think PS1 was kickass; here is a review of a bar that is out of the usual norm in Nana.
With the seemingly new policy of Nana bars allowing smoking, DC-10 wins accolades from a customers perspective.
A) Its a pretend airplane (wish it was a real L1011, but thats what fantasy is all about)
B) They don't play canned music.
C) The girls are not pushy.
D) The girls acually dance, not the Bangkok-Shuffle.
E) Expect proper stripper etiquette and pole dancing
F) You can smoke there (!)
G) They seem to have actual ventilation and air conditioning, so smokers don't smoke up the place.
Disclaimer: A customer who wishes to be back there, writing this from the comfort of suburbia
Disclaimer: A customer
Dad Fun 555
05-29-11, 20:49
Tilac: not bad but I dislike the fact that the hottest girls cannot be taken (coyotes). As a result and on principle I rarely go there unless I have friends inside.How long has Tilac had coyotes? I have never seen one there before. There was a rumor The Arab put up a huge offer for Tilac but was laughed out of town. I thought it was still pretty much purest possible go-go pickup joint.
So speaking of beautiful girls in go-gos, here is a report on the go-go scene.
1. Nana vs Cowboy.
It's a tough call between the 2. Nana IMO is more for quickly picking up a girl and leaving. Cowboy is more "festive", so to speak. If I wanted to entertain clients or bring friends to a go-go, it would be in Cowboy not in Nana.
However for availability of beautiful girls, I would say Nana wins. Not by much, but it does.
2. Nana.
Rainbow 1: nothing interesting.
Rainbow 2: resting on its past laurels. Not so many cute girls there anymore. But a big line-up.
Rainbow 3: quite a lot of beautiful girls, but many of them aloof.
Rainbow 4: still quite a lot of beautiful women, and I like this place because you are sitting so close to the girls. And the girls are nice. Big line-up. The best Rainbow IMO.
Mandarin: some cute girls, but very dark in there so sometimes hard to judge.
Angelwitch: one or two cute girls, a more fun atmosphere usually than in the Rainbows.
Cascade: LB bar. I was there once with a friend who likes LB, I would say it's worth checking out once for the experience. Very big place and many LBs inside. Be prepared for some intense selling.
3. Cowboy.
Tilac: not bad but I dislike the fact that the hottest girls cannot be taken (coyotes). As a result and on principle I rarely go there unless I have friends inside.
Shark: it can be a fun place. There are some cute girls. The bar and line-up is smaller than average however.
Bacarra: maybe the best place in Cowboy. Big line-up. I still don't understand the often-repeated idea that the second floor is where it's at. I find girls on the first floor are usually cuter (and taller). I almost never buy the supposedly "required" 2 ladydrinks and have only had a problem once (I left alone). Apparently the boss of this place is French?
Other places not mentioned here: either I've not checked them out, or I've been inside once or twice and concluded that they were a waste of time. Like Suzie Wong and their silly shows; thanks but no thanks. Good information, I'll use it. Thanks for posting.
Dating with thai ladies is a waste of time.
From 40 phones number zero showed up at my hotel.
I used.
http://www.thailovelinks.com
Got so many numbers but in reality its not working.
They don't like to call and less to come to the hotel.
Used the same method in africa and did a sex marathon for free, but here its not working.
Anyway I recommend.
http://www.kingstonbangkok.com/
Only 1600 per night including two breakfast.
I don't want to leave the room.
JPI would expect it to be a slim chance that a woman on a Thai dating site would come to my room when I called her. Africa is a whole different animal.
Dating with thai ladies is a waste of time.
From 40 phones number zero showed up at my hotel.
JPYeh, you should not wast your time with young BKK girls on those sites. First of all skip the girls under 32 if you are on a dating site. Next time you should make up a reasonable story about a business trip to who knows where but close to the area where the girl lives etc. I never had a problem to get in contact with single women in cities like Sukothai, Pitsanolok, Lampang, Chantaburi and some other relatively modern cities. But you should not start digging just a few weeks before your trip. Start a few months earlier and setup a regular email contact so that you have an idea how serious SHE is.
I think in BKK it is free for people to receive calls. We are all ISG members looking for girls for good times. I ask the girl if I can have their phone number & have my friend call them. Yes, you are 100% correct that I do not tell them that it is posted on ISG. Has anyone contacted the girls because I posted on this forum & had a good time? If not, I will respect NF's seniority & stop. I just think it will be less business for the girls.Please don't post girls' phone numbers.
Dating with thai ladies is a waste of time.
From 40 phones number zero showed up at my hotel.
I used.
http://www.thailovelinks.com
Got so many numbers but in reality its not working.
They don't like to call and less to come to the hotel.
Used the same method in africa and did a sex marathon for free, but here its not working. If you're just telling them to come to your hotel so you can fuck them, they're going to say no.
Mealticket
05-30-11, 03:20
If you're just telling them to come to your hotel so you can fuck them, they're going to say no.So what's the point?
If you're just telling them to come to your hotel so you can fuck them, they're going to say no.These girls are not looking for sex, they want a husband.
Yes. They will let you fuck them but you have to pay something first, for food, drinks, cinema and taxi home. They are not going to let you get inside their knickers for free.
Its all a game for them but they are wise enough to know that off perhaps 25 men they meet they will get fucked 25 times but of that 25 perhaps only 1 might be worth more effort with the potential to turn him into a husband.
These are also the most dangerous in terms of STD. They are not working girls so their use of condoms is limited, first time they may insist you use but second or third time they will likely not. Also the men fucking them think they are not getting any other sex and so will often not use a condom to get some BB action.
This leads to these kind of girls being the most likely to give you a dose of something nasty if you are not careful.
Member #4178
05-30-11, 04:08
They don't want to come to the hotel not because I mentioned sex, I did not. I have said I am looking for somthing.
Serious.
To get laid with a non pro you need time and time. Outside BKK it may be different or not but this is the status.
Even in my country the ladies are more easy to fuck. I want my flight ticket money back.
About NEP, more ladyboys clubs then ladies. I visit NEP yesterday.
Tomorrow I will try Pattaya.
Mr Enternational
05-30-11, 05:44
Dating with thai ladies is a waste of time. From 40 phones number zero showed up at my hotel. I used.
http://www.thailovelinks.com
Got so many numbers but in reality its not working. They don't like to call and less to come to the hotel. ROFLMFAO. Maybe it is because you portray yourself to be looking more for a (free) call girl than a serious date. They are women (non-pro most of them). They want to be chased. They like you to call them so they will feel you are really interested. Have some game. And if you were them do you seriously think it would be a good idea to go to a stranger's hotel?
New Old Guy
05-30-11, 10:20
These are also the most dangerous in terms of STD. They are not working girls so their use of condoms is limited, first time they may insist you use but second or third time they will likely not. Also the men fucking them think they are not getting any other sex and so will often not use a condom to get some BB action.
This leads to these kind of girls being the most likely to give you a dose of something nasty if you are not careful. That is also what Thai people strongly believe. If you mention you've been with a woman for free, they will make gestures like skin eruptions. But I think, supported by the scarce statistics, that the diffusion of diseases is about the same.
being younger than most of the fossils that inhabit this forum and older than the ones who think ps1 was kickass; here is a review of a bar that is out of the usual norm in nana.
with the seemingly new policy of nana bars allowing smoking, dc-10 wins accolades from a customers perspective.
a) its a pretend airplane (wish it was a real l1011, but thats what fantasy is all about)
b) they don't play canned music.
c) the girls are not pushy.
d) the girls acually dance, not the bangkok-shuffle.
e) expect proper stripper etiquette and pole dancing
f) you can smoke there (!)
g) they seem to have actual ventilation and air conditioning, so smokers don't smoke up the place.
disclaimer: a customer who wishes to be back there, writing this from the comfort of suburbia
disclaimer: a customerwelcome to the forum, from one of the "fossils". wishing you to become fossilized as well, which will mean that you have enjoyed life for long!
New Old Guy
05-30-11, 11:08
Welcome to the forum, from one of the "fossils". Wishing you to become fossilized as well, which will mean that you have enjoyed life for long!Maybe he was referring to the kind of people that spends $250 per night for hotel and is not ashamed to mention it.
Age doesn't make a fossil, habits do.
Sushilover808
05-30-11, 12:18
Please don't post girls' phone numbers.A few of you have objected to my posting of the girl's phone numbers & NOBODY has supported my actions. So OK, sorry to all. I thought I was doing a favor to both parties as these are clearly working girls that want more business. I didn't want to respond to PM asking for contact info so I thought it was OK. I will never do it again. Sincerest apologies.
Rambis Youth
05-30-11, 12:39
They don't want to come to the hotel not because I mentioned sex, I did not.So you don't want them to come to your hotel for sex, but for something else. I can't imagine why they don't believe you.
Perhaps turn the conversation around to swimming and invite them to use the pool. There's plenty of opportunity when they're getting changed in your bathroom after the swim.
maybe he was referring to the kind of people that spends $250 per night for hotel and is not ashamed to mention it.
age doesn't make a fossil, habits do. sour grapes?
These girls are not looking for sex, they want a husband.
Yes. They will let you fuck them but you have to pay something first, for food, drinks, cinema and taxi home. They are not going to let you get inside their knickers for free.
Its all a game for them but they are wise enough to know that off perhaps 25 men they meet they will get fucked 25 times but of that 25 perhaps only 1 might be worth more effort with the potential to turn him into a husband.
These are also the most dangerous in terms of STD. They are not working girls so their use of condoms is limited, first time they may insist you use but second or third time they will likely not. Also the men fucking them think they are not getting any other sex and so will often not use a condom to get some BB action.
This leads to these kind of girls being the most likely to give you a dose of something nasty if you are not careful. Agree with this observation. Of all the non-working girls I met in SE Asia very few insisted on Condoms. Only the girls in China insist on the condom, mainly to avoid getting pregnant. After a few dates they do not insist either.
In other SE countries none bothered. I think they are thinking that we are regular visitors not mongers who jump in with other girls. Some do say and want to know how many girls I am meeting. I do not think we pay for sex and meet working girls also. They are more concerned if we meet other non-working girls and leave them.
So I believe it is better to be carefull even with non-working girls.
They don't want to come to the hotel not because I mentioned sex, I did not. I have said I am looking for somthing.
Serious. Very noble of you. No wonder farangs are despised by a part of the Thai population. Keep up the good work.
New Old Guy
05-30-11, 14:27
sour grapes?no, practicality and common sense. thanks buddha my savings would allow me to stay at that price for a very long time, but i happen to think my money is better spent other ways.
New Old Guy
05-30-11, 14:38
Very noble of you. No wonder farangs are despised by a part of the Thai population. Keep up the good work.Why there is guys willing to waste time in working contacts, lie (and be lied) then have a fair share of disappointment in situations that often are borderline to embarrassment, just to have a free fuck, is beyond me to understand.
The guy got his lessons, now let's hope Pattaya will be up to his expectations, otherwise he will have ask for a complete refund to the Minister of Sex Tourism.
That is also what Thai people strongly believe. If you mention you've been with a woman for free, they will make gestures like skin eruptions. But I think, supported by the scarce statistics, that the diffusion of diseases is about the same.I am going to state what probably should be completely obvious. A girl that insists that a condom be used is safer than one who doesn't. We can't tell if she insists all of the time, and its unlikely if she has a regular Thai man, but if she insists with no-one at all, she must be more risky. In any case, if she insists, then you have some protection, and if she doesn't insist, you can wisely decide to protect yourself.
So yes the part about free or paid is not as important, however there is some chance that higher class P4Ps are being tested regularly. I am not aware of what percentage of P4Ps will not insist, it probably depends on their brain power and fatalistic beliefs.
I prefer 'safer' girls in case the protection fails. Don't spin the wheel too many times in case '0' comes up. BBBJ comes with some slight risk too, but its far below the risk of a car crash. Wear the seat belt even though you don't have to. Life will always have some risk.
Mr Enternational
05-30-11, 15:09
In other SE countries none bothered. I think they are thinking that we are regular visitors not mongers who jump in with other girls. Some do say and want to know how many girls I am meeting. I do not think we pay for sex and meet working girls also. They are more concerned if we meet other non-working girls and leave them.My non-pros usually tell me that they don't care if I fuck pros, I just can not give my heart to anyone else and care for anyone else. The ones who broke up with previous husbands and boyfriends for cheating said it wasn't because they put their dick into another girl, but because they had a steady girl on the side. And there was also the one who found her husband in her bed with a bar girl. So I agree with you Sammon. They are more concerned about you meeting with someone who has a long term potential that could knock them out of the picture and not the occaisional hit it and quit it.
They don't want to come to the hotel not because I mentioned sex, I did not. I have said I am looking for somthing.
Serious. Shaking my head.
Why there is guys willing to waste time in working contacts, lie (and be lied) then have a fair share of disappointment in situations that often are borderline to embarrassment, just to have a free fuck, is beyond me to understand.Maybe his "money is better spent other ways"...
NicFrenchy
05-30-11, 16:31
My non-pros usually tell me that they don't care if I fuck pros, I just can not give my heart to anyone else and care for anyone else.Interesting. All the Non Pros I have been with are extremely jealous and would not in a million years accept me going to a hooker. It would completely lower their own value.
Having a GIK on the side is one thing, but going with a hooker is the lowest of the Lows in the eyes of non-pro thais.
NicFrenchy
05-30-11, 16:33
They don't want to come to the hotel not because I mentioned sex, I did not. I have said I am looking for somthing.I've been doing the online game for some time and very very rarely would a girl accept to meet at the hotel (unless they bring a friend or 2 maybe). I always meet in a public place and the girls almost always comes with a Friend (who usually stays no more then a half hour).
Pattaya Tony
05-30-11, 16:42
Dating with thai ladies is a waste of time.
From 40 phones number zero showed up at my hotel.
I used.
http://www.thailovelinks.com
Got so many numbers but in reality its not working.
They don't like to call and less to come to the hotel.
Used the same method in africa and did a sex marathon for free, but here its not working.
JPJP:
The lads here have made some excellent points, but perhaps I can be of help. The ladies on Thai Love Links are looking for romance, dating and marriage. If you're looking for a FREE shag, two of my friends have had great success with Adult Friend Finder. Com. This has worked for them in many countries, not just LOS.
I understand completely that if a girl gives you her phone number in the west, it means she's looking to hook up. But these girls on TLL are looking to TALK. As I'm sure you've seen in BKK, where the young ladies DO NOT GET OFF THEIR PHONES. Neither for shag nor shitter.
Hope that helps. Enjoy and be safe.
Orange Crust
05-30-11, 16:57
Interesting. All the Non Pros I have been with are extremely jealous and would not in a million years accept me going to a hooker. It would completely lower their own value.
Having a GIK on the side is one thing, but going with a hooker is the lowest of the Lows in the eyes of non-pro thais. Man, I think Thai girls are the most fierce when jealous. I personally had a few that threatened to cut my throat if I strayed (and being with them meant I was straying in the first place.). The threat is often with a jesture of a finger sliding across her own throat. I didn't take it seriously really and still don't but I have noticed a lot of scars around the neckline of some people. Freaks me out but I guess it happens.
So tread carefully and try not to flaunt one girl in front of the other. I only once had to unwilling girls show up by unfortunite coinicidence in my apartment. It was ackward, basically I had to invite one to stay and the other up go. Both ended up disappointed and in the end so was I. I felt like an ass. And these were non pros.
Mr Enternational
05-30-11, 22:20
Interesting. All the Non Pros I have been with are extremely jealous and would not in a million years accept me going to a hooker. It would completely lower their own value.
Having a GIK on the side is one thing, but going with a hooker is the lowest of the Lows in the eyes of non-pro thais. Come on Nic. Of course they mean you to be discrete about fucking a hooker. They don't want you to let them tag along for dinner just the 3 of you or anything. But in their minds they know a man can not be with one woman. So choosing the lesser of two evils they would rather you be with temporary women (hookers) than a permanent one (mia noi) who is not them.
in their minds they know a man can not be with one woman. So choosing the lesser of two evils they would rather you be with temporary women (hookers) than a permanent one (mia noi) who is not them.This is quite common thinking in China as well. Better hookers than a mistress who you might fall in love with.
My non-pros usually tell me that they don't care if I fuck pros, I just can not give my heart to anyone else and care for anyone else. The ones who broke up with previous husbands and boyfriends for cheating said it wasn't because they put their dick into another girl, but because they had a steady girl on the side. And there was also the one who found her husband in her bed with a bar girl. So I agree with you Sammon. They are more concerned about you meeting with someone who has a long term potential that could knock them out of the picture and not the occaisional hit it and quit it.This has been my experience also.
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