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I think Giotto is doing the right thing by making people aware of the situation hands on. He is better placed being there to guide us what is the real situation.
Also ultimately if hes asking people to postpone its for their not his benefit. Being a lodge owner if his guests cancel he loses money but besides thenpoint taking time out to update prospective people planning a trip to Bangkok is a great thing in my opinion.
Surely some areas are not flooding at this stage but is there a guarantee it would be same in 2 or 3 days from today? Atleast whosoever is planning is better prepared thanks to his daily updates. I don't think he needs to be ashamed for being helpful and getting the word out.
CheersThat is exactly the right comment. Flooded areas do not need "hordes" of un-necessary people.
If the flood gets into areas that today are dry (and with lots of tourists as Sukhmivt, said to be dry) , the local emergencies services will have to cope not only with the aid to the local (who often can sort out themselves) but also with visitors. Somebody will start to freak out, somebody will demand a limo service and not a tgruck to be removed etec etc.
Not to mention the food supplies.
All in all better have a tourist sterile area for a little while till it is all over
The only thing I can add is Thank God for making Thai people- have you heard any whining and complaining to the world? No. If this was New Orleans with fat dumpy lazy americans waiting for 'the gubmint' to come save them we would hear no end about how they were suffereing.I agree about New Orleans, but the Thai people have been complaining big time. Many are being very vocal and blaming the problems on the government, just like they did in New Orleans. Most just are not fat and dumpy.
You Giotto, advised people not to come to Bangkok as it would all be flooded.
I said come, it will not affect the mongering area's. You have continued your scare stories before and after and you are wrong.
With regards to 430 dead, it was well over 300 before the floods hit Bangkok, and you did not seem to care over 300 were dead in the north, north east and centre plains. When the water arrived into Bangkok you started caring, just like all Bangkok people. Its a problem if it affects you, and if it does not then you are as quiet as a mouse about it.
Perhaps since you are quoting the figure you might like to clarify how many are dead in Bangkok, and how many in the rest of Thailand.
This subject should be in the expats section as it simply has nothing to do with Bangkok reports, or mongering in Bangkok.
You should feel ashamed Giotto for telling people not to visit Bangkok some weeks back. All you have done is made people change or cancel their trips when there was no need to at all.Pro
Actually I think it's your recent comments on Giotto's flood posts that are inappropriate.
Giotto whether relaying info on flooding or the past uprisings / riots has always posted the facts on what is happening.
His advising people to consider trip timing is for their benefit not his. This has quite a bit to do with current Bangkok reports.
If you know Giotto, you know he is only trying to help.
Guido88
Pro
Actually I think it's your recent comments on Giotto's flood posts that are inappropriate.
Giotto whether relaying info on flooding or the past uprisings / riots has always posted the facts on what is happening.
His advising people to consider trip timing is for their benefit not his. This has quite a bit to do with current Bangkok reports.
If you know Giotto, you know he is only trying to help.
Guido88With all you guys speaking up for Giotto along with his own defense of himself re The Pros' comments, I'd like to offer a little perspective on the comment above. Giotto, of course, runs a business, and constantly advertises it here in his posts. Sometimes he makes negative comments about his competition, namely other hotels in BKK. Since you want to speak about "facts" in your post, what I have just said are the facts. So I would suggest that his followers who are on his cock might want to consider that when they presume to know another person's motives in a situation like this, how susceptible are they to P4P TGs lines of "I love you too much", and the rest of their white magic? Of course if one is around these type of girls all the time you don't think he is an expert at knowing their ways. So, please, stop being so gullible.
Ralph Kramden
11-05-11, 00:09
Giotto's report about water being in front of the Chaophya Park Hotel was most appreciated because that is where I have stayed for several years. I doubt I could have picked up on that information at this early date from any other source without spending a lot of time.
The Wall Street Journal has two informative reports as well. I hope these links can be opened for the articles. They describe the subway system being in harms way and the very real threat of disease in any area that has standing water, even small pools.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203716204577017211945090588.html?mod=ITP_pageone_3
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204621904577015522726283442.html?mod=WSJ_World_LEFTSecondNews
In short I am reluctant to cancel my late December flight to BKK for several reasons but I will not be staying there.
Many thanks to all for the timely information.
I was affected by the floods today, so now I am torn between it being a problem or not.
Problem:
I could not buy any Baked Beans at Tesco Lotus. Stock completely out of Beans. I am now suffering with no beans, this is a great inconvenience.
Flip side:
Had a lovely 23 year old from Thermae last night. 1500 baht short time and my word was she nice. Lives in Nonthaburi and flooded and in need of cash. Wow, these floods do present some good things.
Overall:
Think I can manage without the beans if you get nice fresh pussy like this. And my oh my was this fresh and tight. Wonderfully refreshing and very very wet.
Updated map 04. 11. 2011, 5 pm:
http://maps.google.fr/maps/ms?msid=203278216882407399461.0004af623e23c9dccde11&msa=0&ll=13.808076,100.565243&spn=0.09752,0.181789
GiottoAnother excellent information from Giotto. Thanks for the link to this very informative map.
JerseyShoreSun
11-05-11, 03:33
Pro
If you know Giotto, you know he is only trying to help.
Guido88That is exactly what I have been thinking since the first post Giotto put up about the flood. Having met him once all I can say is he is one person with no hidden agenda.
Thanks giotto for your informative updates and I'm trying my level best to get my ass down there and say Hello, again over the holidays next month.
Cheers,
JSS
Bangkok Post: Froc abandons Rama II Road.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/264809/froc-abandons-rama-ii-road
(this is significant, it might create logistical problems for Bangkoks supply chain)
Bangkok Post: Protesters block sluice gate closure.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/264811/protesters-block-sluice-gate-closure
(still some public resistance against government measures, understandable if you live in the flooded areas)
Richard Barrow, picture from this morning (Lad Phrao):
https://twitter.com/#!/RichardBarrow/status/132673320100433921/photo/1
Giotto
Reuters Pictures:
http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/slideshow?articleId=USRTR2T4YW
Ramkhamhaeng 164:
http://yfrog.com/nwh54shj
Map:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Ramkhamhaeng+164&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=fsu0TonnAoP5rQem2fU3&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=3&ved=0CBUQ_AUoAg
Giotto
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Giotto, of course, runs a business, and constantly advertises it here in his posts. Sometimes he makes negative comments about his competition, namely other hotels in BKK.Interesting, what's coming up here :) .
I am really not a friend of Nana Hotel (seriously) , but I usually do not comment on the quality of other hotels. I rarely stay in hotels here in Bangkok except my own :) . Anyway - Nana hotel is NOT FLOODED right now!
I suggest that we reduce this pro / con discussion about my activities to a minimum, otherwise we will see the webmaster getting active creating a separate thread "2011 Flood in Bangkok" soon. Then nobody finds the information any more, and the history of those actions shows, that the discussion / flow of information will then die down soon.
Let's not forget the purpose of this forum. To a certain extend the criticism of those members / readers, who want this forum to simply concentrate on mongering activities, is understandable. I will continue to give updates on the flood (my POV) whenever I find it necessary, and I encourage others to do so, too. Different opinions and profound facts will then allow readers to make up their minds.
Giotto
. I will continue to give updates on the flood (my POV) whenever I find it necessary, and I encourage others to do so, too. Different opinions and profound facts will then allow readers to make up their minds.
GiottoPlease do so!
Having been a recent visitor to Livingstone Lodge I can vouch for the usefulness of all the reports on the flood situation.
I was traveling all over SE Asia using Bangkok as a hub and the availability of general and personal reports was most helpful.
Yesterday 4/11 the traffic was light from Soi 33 to Bangkok Airport (my driver said the Expressway was not necessary) and I had.
A fast ride out. No water.
Thanks guys.
With all you guys speaking up for Giotto along with his own defense of himself re The Pros' comments, I'd like to offer a little perspective on the comment above. Giotto, of course, runs a business, and constantly advertises it here in his posts. Sometimes he makes negative comments about his competition, namely other hotels in BKK. Since you want to speak about "facts" in your post, what I have just said are the facts. So I would suggest that his followers who are on his cock might want to consider that when they presume to know another person's motives in a situation like this, how susceptible are they to P4P TGs lines of "I love you too much", and the rest of their white magic? Of course if one is around these type of girls all the time you don't think he is an expert at knowing their ways. So, please, stop being so gullible.Factual information about the floods is very useful. If someone writes lies or gross distortions, I question his motives.
He he sticks to information that is useful, why do I bother to question his motives?
It's a waste of time.
Opinions have very little value. Factual information (or as close to the truth as is possible with the media related stuff) is what will always be valuable on this forum. That's just my opinion (which may not be worth much to some).
In view of all the negativity going around, Giotto would wisely stick to useful information, and that will be always be appreciated by most. I just don't give a shit about all this "motives" oriented stuff. You can't read people's minds.
Mr Enternational
11-05-11, 10:54
Interesting, what's coming up here. .
I am really not a friend of Nana Hotel (seriously) , but I usually do not comment on the quality of other hotels. I rarely stay in hotels here in Bangkok except my own. Anyway. Nana hotel is NOT FLOODED right now!But Nana Hotel could still use a carpet change and the ladies at the front desk could use an attitude adjustment. I used to religiously stay at Nana because of the mongering history and free breakfast until I finally wised up. There are much better hotels to stay in for the $40 that they want at Nana.
Crazy4Thai
11-05-11, 11:22
The only thing I can add is Thank God for making Thai people- have you heard any whining and complaining to the world? No. If this was New Orleans with fat dumpy lazy americans waiting for 'the gubmint' to come save them we would hear no end about how they were suffereing.Yeah well people died in New Orleans TOO and I see no reason for you to make light of anybody's suffering. You might alsoconsider that people in crisis NEED help. You should probably just stick to the pussy topics because your big head does not appear to work.
GentleBoner
11-05-11, 12:41
Anybody know a good short time hotel for daytime trysts?
Clean and cheap.
Something you can take a non-bargirl to
Factual information about the floods is very useful. If someone writes lies or gross distortions, I question his motives.
He he sticks to information that is useful, why do I bother to question his motives?
It's a waste of time.
Opinions have very little value. Factual information (or as close to the truth as is possible with the media related stuff) is what will always be valuable on this forum. That's just my opinion (which may not be worth much to some).
In view of all the negativity going around, Giotto would wisely stick to useful information, and that will be always be appreciated by most. I just don't give a shit about all this "motives" oriented stuff. You can't read people's minds.With Bangkok being dead now as far as business is concerned, I'm sure Giotto has tons of free time to play on his PC and find articles that most of us could if we had the time to do so. From the responses here it looks like future business will be profitable. Who could have forseen this?
Who's to say what's factual about all the articles and links that are being posted? Speaking of "opinions", they too are full of it. Where are these "facts" you speak of, I'd love to see a list of them and, in particular, anything that is "useful". Not being in Thailand at the moment, however, and not planning to till next year, perhaps, while all this flood talk is interesting, entertaining and sad, I personally wonder how any of it could be "useful" to those such as me, or well over 99% of ISG members.
I offer you the following "factual" evidence. A guy posted "Giotto's report about water being in front of the Chaophya Park Hotel was most appreciated because that is where I have stayed for several years. I doubt I could have picked up on that information at this early date from any other source without spending a lot of time." Yet this same hotel has email, fax and telephone contact info as well as a contact page on its website. Those are just the pure unadulterated facts. Are all simple forms of easy communication under water in Thailand also.
Here is another "opinion" I read somewhere, take it FWIW, & BTW I don't have any business interests with these establishments:
"Luxury hotels situated on the bank of the Chao Praya river have battened down their hatches with the best precautions baht can by, and have reassured guests that that the flooding is, for the moment, not a problem. When questioned, staff at the Royal Orchid Sheraton Hotel reported that the hotel was well-protected with sandbags, and that if necessary guests would be evacuated to a sister property in a safe location further towardsBangkok's center. The Landmark Bangkok's representative assured us that the hotel was well protected and had a generator to maintain electricity in the case of blackouts. Best of all, the Landmark is now offering spectacular deals to guests! We were quoted a rate of 2, 000 baht per night for a party of two (a third of the usual rate) , but such discounts are of course subject to negotiation."
http://www.thailawforum.com/blog/thailands-new
Looking forward to hearing Giotto's "opinion" on those hotels, also, and if I'll need to rent a helicopter to get there.
As for "motives", from time to time it's "useful" to be reminded about what books like "Bangkok Private Eye" say. It's not only TGs who are capable of such things as described therein.
But it's all good, even bad publicity, so this comment will also serve the cause. Mai pen rai.
Re travelling to Bangkok for mongering there lately and the unforseeable near future, I doubt that I would even if I could, considering the risks re the flooding, etc, but others, like The Pro, perhaps, are obviously more venturesome and less conservative in that regard. If I were a hotel owner of integrity or not, I would have agreed with Giotto's advice, or recommended that my customers delay their trips and come later after the dust settles. It would be a disaster for business should I publicly tell people it is safe to come and then it turns out to be otherwise.
"Bangkok in the near future is going to be an incredible aquatic city."
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/264811/protesters-block-sluice-gate-closure
Came across these pics. I am sure some of you may have seen these, but still interesting. Since we are discussing the flood I guess it belongs here. I especially like the 3rd pic.
BTW Dr. G, keep up the good reporting.
anybody know a good short time hotel for daytime trysts?
clean and cheap.
something you can take a non-bargirl topeep inn, sukhumvit soi 33,
playboy hotel (pb) , sukhumvit soi 3
star inn hotel, sukhumvit soi 7/1
Kumar Arun
11-06-11, 03:28
This is ONLY for non Thai punters. Consolidated report from 5 days of BKK tour.
1. Travel.Thai Airways is Good and mechanical from Bangalore, but now Bangkok airways giving cheaper tickets. Free Visa days over, keep BHT 1000 ready with you (there is new counter near Visa window and they exchange Indian currency)
2. President Solitaire. Very GF, clean, good services, Avg Breakfast spread, small pool, but fun part is in big Jacuzzi tub. Girls love it.
3. Soi 11. Place to stay and party and eat. Loved Australian pub, watched Rugby world cup there. Good food, some hot chics serving you beer. Good place to relax. Man U Cafe, President Palace hotel. Another favorite restaurant, watched few Premier league matches here. Great young crowd, again good food, value for money, and free wifi. Good place for date lunch or something like that. Q Bar, Bed club all around, Insomnia walking distance, Villa market near by. Only downturn is Traffic jams late nights. Very annoying (bird is sitting next to you and you can't wait to reach room and jam to spoil the mood)
CM2. As usual filled with CIS girls. Going rate was 5K for LT and 3K for ST. Picked girls on two nights. Lot of girls, few punters.
White Lioness. Russian Strip club on Soi 12. If you like real hot fit naked bodies pay a visit to this place. 500BHT entry for one drink, Private dance for 2, 3 songs is 2K, Lady drink 600. Very expensive over all. I had a good time there as I knew one of the dancers beforehand and she had advised me. Also was lucky enough to bed three dancers from this place. Difficult to lure them for sex but god was kind on me I had some of the best sex of BKK this time around.)
Floods. Never faced any problems. Travel was smooth, never faced problems of food and water etc etc.
Since it was a business tour had no time for soapies. (
Anybody know a good short time hotel for daytime trysts?
Clean and cheap.
Something you can take a non-bargirl toWTF. Bangkok is a huge city. Maybe giving us an idea of the area would help.
(snip) Who's to say what's factual about all the articles and links that are being posted?- (snip)Hey Pink Pearl ("Not being in Thailand at the moment") ,
I think a lot of ISG guys read this forum because they just like coming, (or hope someday to come), to Bangkok & Thailand. For them, it's the fun part of their year that they look forward to the most. For some, like me, it's my adopted home.
Regarding the current situation, for what it is worth, I'll give you my opinion. I live in central Bangkok, and, right now (today) feel very, very fortunate my neighborhood has not flooded.
However, I am reminded of it everyday as I can see the swollen Chao Phraya River from my apartment, and am two BTS stops away from it. On the downside, I live within 100 yards of two khlongs (drainage canals). Almost every building in my neighborhood has either sandbags or concrete walls in front of it now. There are flood warnings posted in my elevator.
About 10 days ago, I met with another ISG member to rent a hire a longtail boat. We cruised up and down the river for a couple of hours, exploring some side canals and along the riverside. Yes, there was a flood in Bangkok then. I saw it with my own eyes. And, from what I can surmise from TV news reports, newspapers reports on the internet, photographs on flickr, maps, etc., it is getting a lot worse.
There are literally tens of thousands of people living in Bangkok's flooded areas. Why? Because they don't want to leave their homes for fear of thieves, and, or, just fear of leaving their homes and flooded cars. Many of these people are elderly. Many of these areas have been inundated for weeks now and the water is a filthy concoction of chemicals, human waste, garbage, etc. There are highly venomous snakes and crocodiles on the loose. Get the picture?
Bangkok is quieter right now because some businesses are closed, people have chosen to leave due to fear or displacement, people cannot get into the city due to the flood, and some people have lost almost everything. Yesterday, I went over to Siam in the afternoon. Funny, there are still a lot of people out shopping. For Thais, it must be a stress reliever.
The shelves in my local stores have been about half stocked for several weeks now. I haven't seen beer for sale at my local "7" for at least a week. Yesterday, a busy Saturday at the Siam Paragon food court, you could not buy a bottle of water. Going shopping for food has been a nerve racking experience lately, and it is not getting better.
In my opinion, today - right now - in all of Bangkok, there is a very serious situation that should not be considered lightly. In the bigger, extended picture, Thailand will never be the same after this event. There is a lot of finger pointing going on, most of it directed at the new government, and Thai governments are unstable even in good times.
As far as Giotto goes, I respect his willingness to share information with the rest of us. I've met him personally, and I will vouch for the fact he is an intelligent person, with mainly good intentions for the rest of us ISG monkeys.
Translation: In this time of seriousness, Giotto just wants us to be safe and have a good time. And, if we are here, or still are coming here, and will spend a little money at his place, all the better. I stopped in at Livingstone's last week. The beer was cold, the girls pretty, and the pool cues straight. Nothin' wrong with that!
And, I'm especially glad that The Pro can go out and find a willing P4P provider to stroke his needs (for a "fair" price). That is just about as hard to do right now in this city as buying a top-up card for your mobile phone! His nonchalant attitude concerning the flood should be shared with the many thousands who are suffering, and with those working hard at organizations to help out their fellow countrymen (like the Red Cross on Rama IV Road). Maybe he should sit down with six or seven Thai Muslim guys in Miniburi and chat a bit?
A good friend of mine was in town last week on a work assignment. Hearing all the news, he was getting nervous about the rising waters. On my suggestion, he left four days early rather than risk being caught up in a bad situation, but not before, he made it Akane, Tulip, and a few other places. So, his trip was not a total loss. Funny thing, he was in a Typhoon in Tokyo, and a flood in Manila, before he got to Bangkok.
My personal opinion and conclusion. This is a very, very serious situation without a clear future. Central Bangkok included. However, if it were me, and I had a trip planned, I'd still come. But, it would be wise to be prepared for the worse.
For those of you who are interested, there is a flickr group with flood photos taken by local Bangkok photographers:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/thailand_flood_2011/
Primo Bolan
11-06-11, 12:25
With Bangkok being dead now as far as business is concerned, I'm sure Giotto has tons of free time to play on his PC and find articles that most of us could if we had the time to do so. From the responses here it looks like future business will be profitable. Who could have forseen this?
Who's to say what's factual about all the articles and links that are being posted? Speaking of "opinions", they too are full of it. Where are these "facts" you speak of, I'd love to see a list of them and, in particular, anything that is "useful". Not being in Thailand at the moment, however, and not planning to till next year, perhaps, while all this flood talk is interesting, entertaining and sad, I personally wonder how any of it could be "useful" to those such as me, or well over 99% of ISG members.
I offer you the following "factual" evidence. A guy posted "Giotto's report about water being in front of the Chaophya Park Hotel was most appreciated because that is where I have stayed for several years. I doubt I could have picked up on that information at this early date from any other source without spending a lot of time." Yet this same hotel has email, fax and telephone contact info as well as a contact page on its website. Those are just the pure unadulterated facts. Are all simple forms of easy communication under water in Thailand also.
Here is another "opinion" I read somewhere, take it FWIW, & BTW I don't have any business interests with these establishments:
"Luxury hotels situated on the bank of the Chao Praya river have battened down their hatches with the best precautions baht can by, and have reassured guests that that the flooding is, for the moment, not a problem. When questioned, staff at the Royal Orchid Sheraton Hotel reported that the hotel was well-protected with sandbags, and that if necessary guests would be evacuated to a sister property in a safe location further towardsBangkok's center. The Landmark Bangkok's representative assured us that the hotel was well protected and had a generator to maintain electricity in the case of blackouts. Best of all, the Landmark is now offering spectacular deals to guests! We were quoted a rate of 2, 000 baht per night for a party of two (a third of the usual rate) , but such discounts are of course subject to negotiation."
http://www.thailawforum.com/blog/thailands-new
Looking forward to hearing Giotto's "opinion" on those hotels, also, and if I'll need to rent a helicopter to get there.
As for "motives", from time to time it's "useful" to be reminded about what books like "Bangkok Private Eye" say. It's not only TGs who are capable of such things as described therein.
But it's all good, even bad publicity, so this comment will also serve the cause. Mai pen rai.
Re travelling to Bangkok for mongering there lately and the unforseeable near future, I doubt that I would even if I could, considering the risks re the flooding, etc, but others, like The Pro, perhaps, are obviously more venturesome and less conservative in that regard. If I were a hotel owner of integrity or not, I would have agreed with Giotto's advice, or recommended that my customers delay their trips and come later after the dust settles. It would be a disaster for business should I publicly tell people it is safe to come and then it turns out to be otherwise.
"Bangkok in the near future is going to be an incredible aquatic city."
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/264811/protesters-block-sluice-gate-closureHey Pinky! Are you still waiing the bargirls?
Bangkok Post: Bangkok situation still 'critical'
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/265012/bangkok-is-still-critical
Giotto
Thai Flood Relief website:
http://www.thaifloodrelief.org/2011/11/thailands-worst-flood-situation-update/#.TrahKENKOrt
Bloomberg: Thailand’s Floods Edge Closer to Central Bangkok, May Last for Three Weeks
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-06/thailand-s-floods-edge-closer-to-central-bangkok-may-last-for-three-weeks.html
Video (old, 03.11.2011):
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/specials/nationvdo/showvdo.php?id=5525&cateid=13
Crocodile found in house in Ram Inthra:
http://annozijlstra.wordpress.com/2011/11/06/a-crocodile-found-in-villa-ramintra-soi-10-on-koo-bon-rd-27-in-bang-khen-district/
Giotto
But Nana Hotel could still use a carpet change and the ladies at the front desk could use an attitude adjustment. I used to religiously stay at Nana because of the mongering history and free breakfast until I finally wised up. There are much better hotels to stay in for the $40 that they want at Nana.When was the last time you visited Mr EnterHer. According to their website, since June 2008, the cheapest rooms have been 1490 baht, about $50:
http://www.nanahotel.co.th/html/tariff.html
Can't say that I made many free [6-10 AM] "breakfasts" with my partying hours, or spent much time studying the "carpets", except those of stunning young Thai girl spinners, or when jonesing after being eaten alive by bed bugs.
I see the real draw of the place not in being a nostalgic "history" museum. One can experience that w / o renting a room. But such things as the prime Grade A convenient location to mongering and basic shopping needs. I would hate to be stuck out in the boonies at LL.
Don't be frightened by the front desk ladies. They don't bite or, at least, they are tamable. To bring them into proper 'spread your legs' type submission, it is recommended one wai, fully prostrate oneself face and dick to the floor, make seductive movements with your tongue out, offer DATY, or a generous little tip, and its instant fast food love all the time. I'm sure at least one of those items was helpful in bringing out the LOS in these girls. But the far younger and cuter hotel pussy is elsewhere to be found.
Hey Pinky! Are you still waiing the bargirls?Hey, Primo, you should get together with Giotto and his better half to invent the 'Bangkok spicy taco pizza'. But, yes, I wai them with nose and nuts on the floor, while pondering the many virgins that longingly and lustfully await me in paradise.
The following link doesn't give me the occupancy rates at the Nana hotel or videos of hotties in the parking lot, but until we see some real reports, it'll have to do. As usual the best part of Bangkok post articles is the chit chat from the popcorn gallery.
"Get ready for the crime wave, my 72 year old Dad was robbed on Sukuhmvit last night, first time ever. With desperation comes crime. Only go out with what you need. As usual the police were useless. They might as well just have an online reporting draft template instead of dealing with incompetence and a white wash of what really happened, and a total waste of a couple hours. Everything is to keep statistics rosy for the Thai government. Is there any sense of competence Madame Yingkuck?"
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/investigation/264955/the-big-dry-follows-the-big-wet
I went to a massage parlour (keeping names anonymous to protect the girl) and booked a 90 minute oil massage and the masseuse was a pretty slim girl. The massage itself was not great as she had only started recently. However, it turned out that her English was surprisingly good. We had a really nice chat for most of the two hours, the FS was fine and it seemed she enjoyed it as well. So before leaving I asked her what time she finishes her job and if she would like to go out with me (it was a Saturday night and we had spoken in general terms about going out in Bangkok before). She said she finishes at 11pm and would be glad to go out with me. We agreed to meet at my hotel at 11.
5 minutes before 11 she was in the lobby already, though only to tell me she had to stay at the parlour until midnight. So we agreed to meet at a bar with life music I wanted to go to at midnight and at 12 sharp she was at the door of the bar. After some time she suggested to go to a discotheque she liked and off we went. She asked me if I could pay her admission fee (200 B) , which was ok. Also, I payed two beer for her + one in the previous bar. We had a nice time in the discotheque with a lot of hugging, close dancing etc. When it was getting late and I was getting tired, I asked her if she would like to come to the hotel with me. She said one more beer and then we can go. I had switched to non-alcoholic drinks in the meantime and the last beer for her was one too many but that is another story. Before we left she said: „but you will take good care of me and make sure I will come? '. Sure. We took a taxi to the hotel, showered and after some fun went to sleep. We got up late and after some more fun in the morning she stayed with me in the room until I had to check out of the hotel at noon.
So far so good. Now, in the meantime I had made up my mind to give her 3000B as a „gift', which I had read would be within the usual range for an overnighter in Bangkok. And I gave it to her just before we went downstairs to check out. Her reaction was: at first surprised, then saddened – at least so it seemed to me. She did take the money, but somewhat unwillingly and I noticed it was a mistake. We went downstairs, checked out, left the hotel and said good bye.
Why did I give her the money without her having asked for it?
A) I have read so much on the internet and other places about girls in the „business' in Thailand: „it's all about the money', „they are doing it all for the money only' etc. Etc. And in view of her day time job, she was a working girl. I read stories about guys who chatted up a WG unknowingly and the next morning were surprised when she raised the topic of money.
B) this was reinforced in my mind by a guy I talked to the same evening and who reiterated the same stuff about „with these girls it's all just about the money'
C) her expression „will you take good care of me? ' on the previous night is I think an expression often used to allude to money, though the second part of the sentence „and make sure I will come' alludes to something else.
D) I wanted to avoid an embarrassing situation where she might raise the topic of payment downstairs in front of the reception desk, so better settle the matter before.
I am almost sure now that she wouldn't have raised money at all. Maybe this was indeed seen as a Saturday night out non-working fun night with a nice guy who also payed all expenses (discotheque admission and 3 beers, total damage about 750 Baht) , but nothing more. Perhaps I should add that I am only about 10 years older than her and quite slim and fit and as I said we had a nice time and conversation in the massage parlour. It seems all this discourse about the motives of working girls led me to hand out money to her which I otherwise wouldn't have done. 3000THB wasted? I felt like I had tarnished a nice one-night stand with this „gift'.
I am looking forward to hear what others think, but please be gentle with me.
Ah well, if flood reporting is the new thing of the thread. Lets all play.
Farangs deceive farangs :
http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/economics/265049/suvarnabhumi-dry-images-misleading
Thais rob Thais :
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/crimes/265033/donations-siphoned-off
Flood map:
http://maps.google.fr/maps/ms?hl=fr&gl=fr&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=203278216882407399461.0004af623e23c9dccde11&t=m&vpsrc=6&ll=13.800741,100.515976&spn=0.320075,0.439453&z=11&source=embed
Bangkok Post: Battle to keep southern link
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/265038/battle-to-keep-southern-link
The battle in west Bangkok (other side of the river). Important to keep the supply chain open to get goods into Bangkok.
NYT: Thai Floods Wash Over Global Supply Chains
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/07/business/global/07iht-floods07.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss
The Nation: Tonnes of garbage, dirty water to deal with
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Tonnes-of-garbage-dirty-water-to-deal-with-30169354.html
Thai Visa: Supply Situation At Bkk Area 7-Elevens Not getting any better, despite a lot of promises (forum discussion):
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/510581-supply-situation-at-bkk-area-7-elevens/
Districts of Chattuchak, Lad Phrao and Ram Inthra are flooded now. Din Daeng might be next. In general the flood is still moving south in all areas, it has not been stopped yet. Coordination between FROC, BMA and RID improves. Information flow gets better. Target of all activities remains unchanged - route the water to the west and to the east, and protect the central business districts of Bangkok from being flooded.
Giotto
Intesting details about Bangkok's water drainage tunnel:
http://www.ita-aites.org/fileadmin/filemounts/general/pdf/ItaAssociation/Organisation/Members/MemberNations/Thailand/U-1BMA.pdf
Bangkok Pundit: Sirikit Dam : Water entering the dam, discharge of water, and capacity
http://asiancorrespondent.com/author/bangkokpundit/
(regarding the ongoing conspiracy theory about man-made floods)
Picture from Mo Chit Skytrain station:
http://yfrog.com/g0ta7mnj
Giotto
peep inn, sukhumvit soi 33,
i think peep inn closed down.
walked there a few days ago, the front desk office in the car park is empty, doors locked. something called "s33" obviously replaces it.
will check it out.
giotto
Difficult to lure them for sex but god was kind on me I had some of the best sex of BKK this time around.)How much for god's gift?
Hi,
It's BJ here, this is my first day in Bangkok as main man of The Salon in soi 7/1. Although I have had previous experience in this type of business, please bear in mind, it's my first day fully in the saddle, so it will take a while to fully get into the swing of things.
I would like the thank Aey for holding the fort until I could start. Business was great while I was not in town, Aey did an amazing job and the numbers are above even what we thought we would get, without the floods, so we are really looking forward to what it will be like through high season without Bangkok looking more like Bangkhlong.
I wanted to be in before opening but I had some tricky problems with Visa's and stuff in the UK. Something to do with me being 'Scottish' I recon, as everyone hates the Scots. I think even Bangkok has it in for the Scots because when I arrived most of Bangkok looked liked Atlantis.
A final thought, it pisses down in Scotland 24 / seven and we don't get floods, what happened here? Mind you, it does make me feel at home, all the rain water around me.
Regards BJ
So far so good. Now, in the meantime I had made up my mind to give her 3000B as a „gift', which I had read would be within the usual range for an overnighter in Bangkok. And I gave it to her just before we went downstairs to check out. Her reaction was: at first surprised, then saddened – at least so it seemed to me. She did take the money, but somewhat unwillingly and I noticed it was a mistake. We went downstairs, checked out, left the hotel and said good bye.
Why did I give her the money without her having asked for it?
A) I have read so
I am looking forward to hear what others think, but please be gentle with me.I think no harm done. And actually I am sure she can use the money.
Maybe she was hope full for a longer term relationship/
Pm me so I can meet her and I will spend more time with her.
To
But really even if she was going to do a freebee and you only one night then I am sure she can use the money for familly, food or something else.
I do believe that for the girls they also want love, companionship, security and more from a guy.
Yes money is a part of life they need to earn. The bar girls tend to want more money and focus more on that as maybe they have thai boyfriend or had their heart broken or a bigger need.
So the bar girls get jaded.
Of course I will never totally understand a woman so I am only guessing about what they really want.
A lot of my expierence is in the Philippines. To me they are more like girlfriends but have a bigger need for money.
Bottom line is I would try to find out by talking to her what she really wants. Now in Philippines they will never really tell you
The truth as they will hide many things.
The only other thing is that I did not know that $3000 baht is the going rate for overnite. Its getting expensive. Wow.
But if you were happy with her and can afford it then again why not help her out.
Even if she is shy about receiving the money
So far so good. Now, in the meantime I had made up my mind to give her 3000B as a „gift', which I had read would be within the usual range for an overnighter in Bangkok. And I gave it to her just before we went downstairs to check out. Her reaction was: at first surprised, then saddened – at least so it seemed to me. She did take the money, but somewhat unwillingly and I noticed it was a mistake. We went downstairs, checked out, left the hotel and said good bye.
Why did I give her the money without her having asked for it?No harm done.
Its impossible to tell for sure what is motivating a girl. By default, you ask a hooker to spend the night, she will be expecting payment, unless she clearly states otherwise. Okay she is a new girl and may be different, maybe looking for a boyfriend, who knows.
Thai girls are often shy to negotiate a price before hand.
If unsure, you can ask her what she was expecting. If she she was expecting nothing, then fine.
If she says: "up to you", then you should make her a fair payment.
Freebies with working girls are the exception rather than the norm. Even if a working girl is getting her rocks off, and having a great time, she normally hopes to get some money as well. Normally its up to working girls to make it clear when they are giving a freebie, IMHO. If they don't, then clearly it won't be obvious to us, what the situation is.
If the girl is not a hooker, then it may be very insulting to offer money for sex. Otherwise it isn't.
Mr Enternational
11-08-11, 06:19
When was the last time you visited Mr EnterHer. According to their website, since June 2008, the cheapest rooms have been 1490 baht, about $50:
http://www.nanahotel.co.th/html/tariff.html
Can't say that I made many free [6-10 AM] "breakfasts" with my partying hours, or spent much time studying the "carpets", except those of stunning young Thai girl spinners, or when jonesing after being eaten alive by bed bugs.
I see the real draw of the place not in being a nostalgic "history" museum. One can experience that w / o renting a room. But such things as the prime Grade A convenient location to mongering and basic shopping needs. I would hate to be stuck out in the boonies at LL.Last time I stayed at Nana was in March when I took my younger brother to Thailand. Other than that, if I have to be in Bangkok as I did in July to straighten out some paperwork for a motorbike that I bought at the auction, then I stay in the Ibis down the street from the Nana. It's 2 years old, cheaper, and there is free internet in the lobby. There are many other hotels in the same prime area that cost less and are better quality than the Nana. One example:
http://www.everrichinn.com/room.html
Mr Enternational
11-08-11, 06:37
C) her expression „will you take good care of me? ' on the previous night is I think an expression often used to allude to money,I hope someone does chime in on this because this expression always fucks with me too. It's like a catch 22. I do not understand what is meant by this. My ex girlfriend (non-pro) used to always say, "You never take care me." And when I would ask what does take care mean I never got a concrete answer. Did she think I didn't show her enough attention or affection? Did she want me to buy her more drinks when we went out? Did she expect me to give her money or something? She had a decent job and had a car so I don't suspect she meant in terms of money.
Western787
11-08-11, 07:28
Why did I give her the money without her having asked for it?
A) I have read so much on the internet and other places about girls in the „business' in Thailand: „it's all about the money', „they are doing it all for the money only' etc. Etc. And in view of her day time job, she was a working girl. I read stories about guys who chatted up a WG unknowingly and the next morning were surprised when she raised the topic of money.
B) this was reinforced in my mind by a guy I talked to the same evening and who reiterated the same stuff about „with these girls it's all just about the money'
C) her expression „will you take good care of me? ' on the previous night is I think an expression often used to allude to money, though the second part of the sentence „and make sure I will come' alludes to something else.
D) I wanted to avoid an embarrassing situation where she might raise the topic of payment downstairs in front of the reception desk, so better settle the matter before.
I am almost sure now that she wouldn't have raised money at all. Maybe this was indeed seen as a Saturday night out non-working fun night with a nice guy who also payed all expenses (discotheque admission and 3 beers, total damage about 750 Baht) , but nothing more. Perhaps I should add that I am only about 10 years older than her and quite slim and fit and as I said we had a nice time and conversation in the massage parlour. It seems all this discourse about the motives of working girls led me to hand out money to her which I otherwise wouldn't have done. 3000THB wasted? I felt like I had tarnished a nice one-night stand with this „gift'.
I am looking forward to hear what others think, but please be gentle with me.Your fact pattern is perplexing. I'm not an expert on Thai women, but I do have some thoughts on the issue. First the The whole "Money Number One" concept always has to be the operating assumption. Its the mandatory default position. However the reality is far more complex. You didn't state the precise experience level of this girl, or whether she is on the young and inexperienced in life side of the equation."Only started recently" can mean many things. Did she work in other spas? Was she a bar girl? Was she a go go dancer? Was she a G club girl? Each subset of the business can present varying levels of ambiguity as to whether they think of themselves as a true WGs. All soapie girls and all oil girls are by defintion WGs, but many are new entries, who have never been WG's before. Now G club girls often are not WGs, or least that's the initial pretense that allows them to enter the business in the first place. They can just dance, selectively go pro, or look for setups to be sponsored, or look for real life boyfriends, usually Thai, and generally well off. The term "take care of me" for a WG standing alone is not ambiguous. It means "I need compensation for the evening". The plain meaning of "make sure I will come" sounds obviously she wants sexual satisfaction, but it still sounds a bit odd to me.
You are not a mind reader, so what you did with the "gift" idea was the exactly down the middle the correct thing a gentlemen would do. She may have had a change of mind, or she could simply be very experienced at manipulation. She certainly has you confused. Keep in mind some of these girls look for gentlemen trusting type guys. To work. Now that may not be the case at all. I don't know. Also you didn't state whether you're a shorttime visitor or you are in Bangkok for a longer term. That can be a factor whether she is being straight OR if its being orchestrated in a volitional manner. I am actually anxious what some true experts might say about your fact pattern presented.
I hope someone does chime in on this because this expression always fucks with me too. It's like a catch 22. I do not understand what is meant by this. My ex girlfriend (non-pro) used to always say, "You never take care me." And when I would ask what does take care mean I never got a concrete answer. Did she think I didn't show her enough attention or affection? Did she want me to buy her more drinks when we went out? Did she expect me to give her money or something? She had a decent job and had a car so I don't suspect she meant in terms of money.In all my experiences with non-working girls, it means affection / attention. E. G. I get this in response when I wish a friend "get better soon" after she tells me she's sick with.
The flue or whatever. Or when I say "oh, that's so sad. Very bad guy. Hope you are ok now." after a friend tells me somebody in a car hit her motorbike and she had to go.
The hospital and pay X baht, but the guy who hit her gave her nothing. Their response: "take you for taking care [of] me", where my "care" is the sms I responded with.
On the other hand, if I meet something that looks like a working girl at a disco and she asks "you take care of me?", I don't think she means that I should send her.
A sms the next day.
I think no harm done. And actually I am sure she can use the money.
Maybe she was hope full for a longer term relationship/
Pm me so I can meet her and I will spend more time with her.
The only other thing is that I did not know that $3000 baht is the going rate for overnite. Its getting expensive. Wow.
But if you were happy with her and can afford it then again why not help her out.
Even if she is shy about receiving the moneyRates can be lower of course but it is not strange to see something above 2500 in the area of 3000 as an expected rate.
Of course there are demands of 4 or 5k too. Up to "you" to oblige or not.
Honestly paying for a drill from a mongerer point of view 1000 is more than enough (less enough for the girl who puts her pussy in use.) but if ne wants a bit more, unrushed, company, a laugh, ie a good time this has to be rewarded too.
The hourly rate of a lawyer or of a doctor is not the same of a bricklayer or of a moto taxi driver. Cause the time they give, still being 60' an hour is perceived as more value.
About the attitude of the girl receiving the money: we have to see how it was handed over. Discreetly? In an envelope? Plain handling of bils? A gesture with a smile "for you to do some shopping"? Certainly not "take the money and leave" and he didn't pay her to go. But we should enter into the woman psychology: tough job. Maybe she started all as a nice opportunity to gain some cash without confessing it to herself. Then she enjoyed and dreamt of a (ST) romance or date. The cash woke up the Cindarella, maybe.
I myself always try to hand it over in a nice way, even if we have been extensively talking about her profession, customers, business (I am always curious about it). Generates a good atmosphere and maybe she feels less what she is, as often it s not a nice job, regardless of the money they make.
Money is needed but it is also the shelter when they look themselves at the mirror and take a summary of the day (or if the night) and realize how many dicks they have handled. And that is their life. Not to mention what their future reserves to them after 10 or 15 years in the job.
In all my experiences with non-working girls, it means affection / attention. E. G. I get this in response when I wish a friend "get better soon" after she tells me she's sick with.
The flue or whatever. Or when I say "oh, that's so sad. Very bad guy. Hope you are ok now." after a friend tells me somebody in a car hit her motorbike and she had to go.
The hospital and pay X baht, but the guy who hit her gave her nothing. Their response: "take you for taking care [of] me", where my "care" is the sms I responded with.
On the other hand, if I meet something that looks like a working girl at a disco and she asks "you take care of me?", I don't think she means that I should send her.
A sms the next day."take care of me" has multiple meanings in Thailand, I feel. .
We should maybe elaborate based on the thai language expression as girl English is also always very basic.
Sometime it is a message made in a subtle way to avoid the reality.
Just like when they say "tip me" for not saying blatantly "I have a price, I am in the market"
Or a "freebie" expects some hundred baht for taxi money to walk then home the next block
Having just arrived from the U. K and asking for information from my business partner And Aey, whilst still in London, regarding the floods I was told by them there was nothing to worry about. This was in stark contrast to all the media reports and Coverage back home, who would have the uninformed, believe the city was catastrophically crippled and anyone traveling there was entering the realms of certain death. Having been in the general sex tourist areas for 1 week there are undoubted shortcomings like the lack of supplies in some of the shops but let's be realistic, people have lost their lives, their livelihoods and had devastating affects to their properties. Does the inability to buy some non essential supplies even warrant a mention under the current circumstances? The only truly accurate reports I could find not only on this forum but on many others were posted by Giotto and I want to thank him for taking the time to do so. If he has a marginal vested interested I am really not concerned, it had no affect on the accuracy of the information. More positive and informative post's like these are very welcome to both new members and long time server alike.
Live Sukhumvit view point:
Being currently in Soi 7/1 and walked to both ends of Sukhumvit I cannot say I have witnessed any damaging effects of the floods which have devastated some outlying parts of the city.
What this forum is about:
I took a girl from sharks bar in Soi cowboy last Thursday and was blown away by her attentiveness and enthusiasm, I would not hesitate to recommend her (butterfly on left breast and a hostess not a dancer) I am terrible with Thai names and Sharks in general.
One Tree Hill
11-08-11, 10:18
Hi,
It's BJ here, this is my first day in Bangkok as main man of The Salon in soi 7/1. Although I have had previous experience in this type of business, please bear in mind, it's my first day fully in the saddle, so it will take a while to fully get into the swing of things.
I would like the thank Aey for holding the fort until I could start. Business was great while I was not in town, Aey did an amazing job and the numbers are above even what we thought we would get, without the floods, so we are really looking forward to what it will be like through high season without Bangkok looking more like Bangkhlong.
I wanted to be in before opening but I had some tricky problems with Visa's and stuff in the UK. Something to do with me being 'Scottish' I recon, as everyone hates the Scots. I think even Bangkok has it in for the Scots because when I arrived most of Bangkok looked liked Atlantis.
A final thought, it pisses down in Scotland 24 / seven and we don't get floods, what happened here? Mind you, it does make me feel at home, all the rain water around me.
Regards BJI walked by your place today. 2 very hot girls outside. Did not go inside, too early but my attention is peaked.
Short update:
- Parts of Rama II flooded, that could have an impact on the supply chain for Bangkok.
- water coming out of some drains in Lad Krabang, north of the airport. It always started like this in other areas.
- more and more complaints about the tap water quality even in the Sukhumvit area.
- again shortage of bottled water in shops, a problem that eased in the last few days, now popping up again.
It's NOT over yet.
Giotto
Primo Bolan
11-08-11, 18:13
And soon we can have "sex unter wasser" on suk.
GentleBoner
11-08-11, 18:16
peep inn, sukhumvit soi 33,
playboy hotel (pb) , sukhumvit soi 3
star inn hotel, sukhumvit soi 7/1thanks, will check them out.
Sexual Healing
11-08-11, 19:25
Short update:
It's NOT over yet.
GiottoGiotto,
Any report or forecast about the impact on hygiene / health care conditions of the population?
Backwaters and general instability may raise consequences.
Given the reason most of us move there for holiday I think it is quite an interesting issue to monitor as well.
You didn't state the precise experience level of this girl, or whether she is on the young and inexperienced in life side of the equation."Only started recently" can mean many things. Did she work in other spas? Was she a bar girl? Was she a go go dancer? Was she a G club girl?
Also you didn't state whether you're a shorttime visitor or you are in Bangkok for a longer term. That can be a factor whether she is being straight OR if its being orchestrated in a volitional manner.Thank you for your comments and suggestions (including everyone else who posted comments as well)!
She's not very young. However, as far as spas go, she is inexperienced. As for go gos, she said she doesn't like to dance on stage so she never did that. Before, it seems her boyfriend payed for her expenses. They split up recently, which led her to seek the job in the massage parlour.
I was in Bangkok only for a few days and told her so (I'm an honest guy).
If you ask me, the fact that since recently she currently has no boyfriend is likely to mean that she is looking for a new one. However, as I had told her I'm in Bangkok only for a few days, I am not sure whether she would have contemplated me as a potential candidate? Realistically, we would have been able to meet only one more time before my departure. But she did emphasize several times that I must come back to the parlour to see her again on my last day. An idea that crossed my mind is that maybe there was also an element of maintaining good customer relationships to ensure I come back to the MP to book her again, whether for the repeat business itself or to be able to address something else on that second visit? (BTW: I did plan to go back to the MP, but changed plans due to the flood)
About the attitude of the girl receiving the money: we have to see how it was handed over. Discreetly? In an envelope? Plain handling of bils? A gesture with a smile "for you to do some shopping"? Certainly not "take the money and leave" and he didn't pay her to go. But we should enter into the woman psychology: tough job. Maybe she started all as a nice opportunity to gain some cash without confessing it to herself. Then she enjoyed and dreamt of a (ST) romance or date. The cash woke up the Cindarella, maybe.
I myself always try to hand it over in a nice way, even if we have been extensively talking about her profession, customers, business (I am always curious about it). Generates a good atmosphere and maybe she feels less what she is, as often it s not a nice job, regardless of the money they make.Thanks for your comments & suggestions!
I handed her the bills directly, smiled, and said "I would like to give you a gift".
I think you are right. Having given her money reminded her of what she is and may have shattered any dream / romance.
BTW: What do others think of the right way to hand over money? I think I read in a culture guide it is considered polite to hand over money with both hands in Thailand, but not sure whether that applies in this context. Or better to be more discreet?
thanks for your comments & suggestions!
i handed her the bills directly, smiled, and said "i would like to give you a gift".
i think you are right. having given her money reminded her of what she is and may have shattered any dream / romance.
btw: what do others think of the right way to hand over money? i think i read in a culture guide it is considered polite to hand over money with both hands in thailand, but not sure whether that applies in this context. or better to be more discreet?i think a lot of guys stick it in her purse when she's in the shower or on the pooper pooping up som tam.
sometimes i also hand over a few thousand baht and tell her it's for her taxi ride home.
if she's mentioned things like the water buffalo is sick, or she wants to buy the latest new phone all her friends are getting, then i can use that as the reason.
Last time I stayed at Nana was in March when I took my younger brother to Thailand. Other than that, if I have to be in Bangkok as I did in July to straighten out some paperwork for a motorbike that I bought at the auction, then I stay in the Ibis down the street from the Nana. It's 2 years old, cheaper, and there is free internet in the lobby. There are many other hotels in the same prime area that cost less and are better quality than the Nana. One example:
http://www.everrichinn.com/room.htmlPersonally, rather than public internet, I prefer private internet in my room. NH offers this service.
For only 3 dollars more, at the cheapest room rates, than ER the NH gives me a far better location relative to NCP SWs.
Why would I want to get sweaty walking to the NCP from ER to pick up NCP TGs? And then sweat more walking back, through all the zombies on sukh and waiting at the ridiculous intersection. And then have to shower because I stink?
NH gives me a huge discount so their rate is actually far less than ER.
ER is on the wrong, Grace hotel type, side of sukhumvit. NH is on the David Carradine, Angelina Jolie side of the road.
Walk out of ER to street vendors and wannabe fake females. Walk out of NH and it's almost 100% the first lady you'll see is a lady.
NH has a disco, travel agency and restaurant that even delivers to your room, etc. What does ER advertize, tailor service?
NH has given me outstanding service over years, so why would I want to change to what you suggest.
Mr Enternational
11-09-11, 04:44
But she did emphasize several times that I must come back to the parlour to see her again on my last day. An idea that crossed my mind is that maybe there was also an element of maintaining good customer relationships to ensure I come back to the MP to book her again, whether for the repeat business itself or to be able to address something else on that second visit? (BTW: I did plan to go back to the MP, but changed plans due to the flood)
They just like you to come back so they can show off to their friends. She didn't mean for you to come for services, just come to say hello in front of her coworkers.
I handed her the bills directly, smiled, and said "I would like to give you a gift".
I think you are right. Having given her money reminded her of what she is and may have shattered any dream / romance.
BTW: What do others think of the right way to hand over money? I think I read in a culture guide it is considered polite to hand over money with both hands in Thailand, but not sure whether that applies in this context. Or better to be more discreet?Well first off I wouldn't have been giving any money if there was no agreement or mutual understanding that it was P4P. Forget all the bullshit of guys saying,"Well they expect it, but they are too shy to ask." Maybe the guys who are too _____ (fill in with whatever word) to get a freebie think that way. Where I am from a closed mouth doesn't get fed. So if she is expecting money then she better make it plain in the beginning.
A couple of cases:
Last month I had a girl over who I was in the process of making a regular. The first time she was P4P. The next time we got together I must have picked her up about 8pm. We hung out, went to my place to watch a movie, and did some extraordinary fucking, anal included. During that time her 20 year old daughter had called to tell her she had a stomach ache. She told her to get medicine, etc. She called back about midnight but still was not better. So at 5am her daughter called again. This time she decided to go home. She apologized. She left and did not ask for any money. Days passed and I didn't hear from her and I never called her. Should I have chased her down to give her money? I mean she has my phone number and she knows where I live.
The day after I hooked up with the friend of a girl who my wingman was with. She stayed all night and was attempting to stay until it was time for me to go to the airport at 2am the next day. We were pretty much in the bed all day except for going to get breakfast with my wingman and his girl about 6am. Me and this girl were really hitting it off, anal et al. She said usually if guys ask her about anal she tells them 3000 baht so they won't ask anymore. So about 4pm it started pouring down raining outside. I told her,"Okay, you can go home now." She got really pissed off. I told her that I was only joking but she was so mad that she left anyway. She did not ask for any money. She started calling and texting the shit out of me though because she knew I was leaving that night and she wanted to see me again. My wingman, his girl, and I went to a bar where her friends work and my girl was supposed to be on the way. She didn't get there before I had to go home and do something so she missed me. I texted her later telling her I wanted to come by her house before I left. She waited outside. I drove up and gave her 1200 baht and told her goodbye. My wingman said she never stopped talking about me after I left. Was I right to go to her place to give her money after she didn't mention any after storming off? Well she was originally supposed to be P4P when I met her in the disco, and I figured not only did she really earn that money, but she could have used it more than me.
Map 09.11.2011, 16:00pm:
http://www.hotel-thaikamala.com/indexeng.html
BTS Mochit:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/374327_10150366294086275_63619711274_8778460_1637572202_n.jpg
Giotto
Karan Singh
11-09-11, 18:25
Hello everybody!
Have been reading reading reports since before going to Thailand to gather enough info on everything!
Reports have been way to useful!
Firstly let me introduce myself! I am a indian! 24 yrs old!
Was very excited for the Thailand trip!
It was just me and one of my frnd!
It was exciting because of my recent breakup with my gf
Anyways!
Reached Bangkok on the 5th oct. Straight to Pattaya. It just didn't seem that great on the streets of Pattaya! I didn't even spot ONE good looking thai girl!
Started searching for a hotel! Found one on the central road! Sabai resort!
Took two rooms because didn't want to end up sharing ROOMS! I've heard of people doing that! Especially indians! Not all indians are cheap!
Straight to this massage place called RASPUTIN! It was out of this world! Good looking thai girls! The rate was 2000, 2300 in the fishbowl and there were a few chicks
On the couches!
Chose one petite! Her name was ONE. Fair, tall, good looks, maybe from chiag mai. Because she had those Chinese looks! Had a few drinks! Up to the room!
Nice huge rooms! She slowly undressed! Undressed me. Into the bath tub! No BJ in the bath tub! Didn't force her! Back on bed! A bit of cuddling!
I was having sex after months! Literally started shivering. Had to switch of the A-C. Went down on her. CBJ! The whole thing was too intense!
Too many positions! Had to get it out of my system! I hope you understand by what the SYSTEM means!
Well I forgot one thing! We took some hash! It was epic! Taking the stuff to Thailand! And passing through the indian airport security!
Rolled a "J" before going to rasputin!
Once done with rasputin!
Headed of to walking street! Pattaya is sick! Girls are way too bad! Went to moulin rouge! Russian strip club! More of a wallet strip club! Costly lady drinks!
Had to be fooled because it was the first time! Girls were like no FS, no FS! Fuck'them we said! And went to MIXXX! No action at mixx! Checked out a few go go's! Some were restricting our entry! Felt weird! While passing time on walking street saw two Russian looking chicks! Good looking. Tall. Brunette's! 3000 baht long time! Had a few drinks earlier! Took the girls to the hotel! They were uzbeks!
One of them knew hindi! The one who was with my frnd! I found that fucking hilarious and embarrasing too! Thinking how many indians would have boom boom'd this chick!
Rolled another "J". One of the chick tried it too! She was almost high! Kept on saying smokin no goooddd! Smokin no good!
Sex was legendary! She was very tight! Fingering, went down on her, made her cum, it was like endless. I was tired like anything. Panting. Exhausted! Finally she had to get rid of my condom! Then had two pops!
And so it ended in the early hours of the day! Cuddled for a while! And she was on her way! Took her taxi money! And I gave her a tip
These chicks seem to have bosses! And they take 10000$ and come to Thailand! Everyone has a different story!
Next day was super bad! Went to some shitty massage place! It was horrible! Bad girl! Bad sex! 1800 baht + tip! Down the drain!
7th October!
Reached Bangkok! Checked in le fenix in soi 11! Nice boutique hotel. You get free entry in bed supper and qbar! Also the location of the hotel was very good!
Got ready we had the usual routine of smoking and drinking before leaving the hotel in the evening!
Checked out qbar! Found nothing! Was in a mood to take a nice thai girl! By nice I mean! Good looking, fair, tall, ! Not the issan types!
Didn't find one! Straight to bossy disco. Had a few drinks! Played pool! Was initially looking for a thai chick! But no! Couldn't find one there too!
Finally had look for a eastern european chick! This one was from uzbekistan too. She was asking for 6000 baht! She was very good looking! But couldn't make up my mind thinking of the price she quoted. Finally found another uzbek! LT for 4000 baht!
Same usual! Back to the room! Drink, smoke. Biggest turnoff was that she had a kid! And a sad story! But the sex was great!
She ended up taking my black armani shirt. She liked it too much!
Shopping next day! In the night went to cm2! Saw just one good looking thai! But she was already with someone! Saw a few russians! Asking price was 8000 LT.
They were toooo hot! But wasnt goin to pay 8G's!
Went bar hopping! A few clubs were very crowded! Shock 29! Climax! It was already 3 am! Back to bossy! Found a nice talll! 5'9"! Former high jumper!
I have a thing for tall girls! M just 5'6". Great night. Cannot forget any moment of that night! She stayed until long. Her name was svetlana! Damn. I miss her!
She drank a lot! Finished all the beers in the minibar at the room! I was totally cool with that! She left in the afternoon!
This was the last day! Finished all the shopping!
Thought of going no where else! Thought of bossy! And the 6000baht uzbek girl which I hadn't taken from there! Prayed that she should be there tonight!
And finally found her there! Went upto her! She recognised me! Asked her the rate! Again 6000baht she said! I was loke common! She agreed on 5000baht!
And I was on the top of this world! And that girl was out of this world! I would have compared her to any hollywood or bollywood actresss!
She was way too hot! Had a amazing time! Great sex! Went down on her! She knew that I like her a lot! Too much of kissing. And love making. !
She left at arnd 8 am!
Back to airport! Very sad! Couldn't stay any longer! And back to india! Same old shitty routine!
So far so good. Now, in the meantime I had made up my mind to give her 3000B as a „gift', which I had read would be within the usual range for an overnighter in Bangkok. And I gave it to her just before we went downstairs to check out. Her reaction was: at first surprised, then saddened – at least so it seemed to me. She did take the money, but somewhat unwillingly and I noticed it was a mistake. We went downstairs, checked out, left the hotel and said good bye.
Why did I give her the money without her having asked for it?
A) I have read so much on the internet and other places about girls in the „business' in Thailand: „it's all about the money', „they are doing it all for the money only' etc. Etc. And in view of her day time job, she was a working girl. I read stories about guys who chatted up a WG unknowingly and the next morning were surprised when she raised the topic of money.
B) this was reinforced in my mind by a guy I talked to the same evening and who reiterated the same stuff about „with these girls it's all just about the money'
C) her expression „will you take good care of me? ' on the previous night is I think an expression often used to allude to money, though the second part of the sentence „and make sure I will come' alludes to something else.
D) I wanted to avoid an embarrassing situation where she might raise the topic of payment downstairs in front of the reception desk, so better settle the matter before.
I am almost sure now that she wouldn't have raised money at all. Maybe this was indeed seen as a Saturday night out non-working fun night with a nice guy who also payed all expenses (discotheque admission and 3 beers, total damage about 750 Baht) , but nothing more. Perhaps I should add that I am only about 10 years older than her and quite slim and fit and as I said we had a nice time and conversation in the massage parlour. It seems all this discourse about the motives of working girls led me to hand out money to her which I otherwise wouldn't have done. 3000THB wasted? I felt like I had tarnished a nice one-night stand with this „gift'.
I am looking forward to hear what others think, but please be gentle with me.A few things are in order here: you already had paid for FS with a "working girl," so that was established. Presumably if you see her again, that is going to continue. But it doesn't have to. There are enough girls in the business who may have a zillion different motives for doing what they do and surprising you. She could have been A) happy that you seemed to like her enough to invite her out for a paid night on the town, maybe few other guys had done this B) maybe she had a great vibe with you or found you attractive or charming or intelligent enough C) maybe one of those girls who are happy to provide "freebies" for guys whom they think really like them, hoping it might lead to something much bigger and better D) maybe she has a sponsor or two sending XXXXX baht per month and has absolutely no need for the extra cash, and you were just a pleasant diversion E) maybe part of her whole business sense You will never know the motives or reasons of these girls, but no, you did not "waste" 3000 baht, regardless of her expression, as a working girl I would assume she expects cash. I would say that you highly overpaid, I don't think I'd have given her more than 1500 max, especially after having seen her in the massage place and presumably paying her about the same (irregardless of time in this situation).
I have had a streak lately with plenty of girls whom friends thought would be all about and only about money, and they haven't been. I pulled a gal the other night who frequents Spassos at 4-5000 a pop, and has had a sponsor at 60, 000 a month. I made it clear to her that I wouldn't pay more than 1000 and that this would always be the norm. She claimed that I made her feel great, was fun to talk to and hang out with, and a good few other compliments, and today she called already for a repeat. I don't bother to try to analyze why a girl with her looks, talents and all else would opt for 1000 when she can get 5000. Maybe I fit for her in any of the A-E categories of above. But it's not worth the analysis, I just take it for what it is and enjoy it to no end. With each girl, we have no idea how much money she has or is making, how many sponsors or boyfriends she has, nor much of anything else, so therefore it is almost pointless to try and analyze or rationalize their behavior in a country where things are never done rationally to begin with. I had a girl a few weeks ago who claimed that she wasn't working (in a bar full of freelancers). I didn't believe that for a second but I did take her up on her offer of having fun. In the morning I tried to give her cash and she wouldn't take it, so I instead said "at least take some money for your taxi," which she didn't refuse, and I gave her 500B. Needless to say, my phone was ringing again the next night.
i think a lot of guys stick it in her purse when she's in the shower or on the pooper pooping up som tam.
sometimes i also hand over a few thousand baht and tell her it's for her taxi ride home.
if she's mentioned things like the water buffalo is sick, or she wants to buy the latest new phone all her friends are getting, then i can use that as the reason.thanks. the idea of being more discreet about handing over the money is very interesting and intriguing. sticking it in her purse when she is in the shower is an extreme case, though. if there is a risk she doesn't even notice you have given her money, doesn't that defeat the purpose? in particular when you are in a clearly p4p situation and she does expect payment? you probably wouldn't do that after the first night?
Hello, everybody! Have been reading reading reports since before going to Thailand to gather enough info on everything!.snip.
Back to airport! Very sad! Couldn't stay any longer! And back to india! Same old shitty routine!Hey, great report!
A couple of observations:
1) Interesting that the foreign women ask and get more baht than the local girls. Good to hear they work hard for their money, though!
2) I haven't "gone down" on a white woman in a long, long time. Taste different than Thai?
3) You are a very brave man to "carry" into Thailand.
4) You gave her your Armani (real?) shirt? Nice guy.
Looking forward to your next report. I'm sure you are, too!
Dude girls like this available when there was no flood. Bangkok is not worlds greatest sex destination for no reason-girls do put out!Girls like that for 1500 baht short time were not available before the floods, given I speak Thai and live here and I saw the girl, and you did not see the girl and have no idea what she looked like I think its impossible for you to therefore judge whether this is normally available for 1500 baht.
I would guess given the prices often quoted on here for "stunners" that some men are paying 4000 to 5000 baht for what I just had for 1500 baht.
Nice.
Picture 10. 11. 2011, 11. 49 am (Srinakarindra wet 10-15cm for 100m south of On Nut Road (Sukhumvit 77) :
http://twitter.com/?photo_id=1#!/JayFromBKK/status/134495248855470080/photo/1
Picture 10. 11. 2011, 12. 23 pm: On Nut Soi 39 wet minimum 20cm from 100m north of On Nut for unk. distance.
http://twitter.com/?photo_id=1#!/JayFromBKK/status/134502035994329088/photo/1
Dark clouds here, it's going to rain soon.
Good news: In some districts in the northern part of the city the water is receding.
Giotto
PS:
Flew into Bangkok yesterday, back from a one day trip to Singapore. The airport is surrounded by water already, to be seen on all major areas / fields to the east and north-east. Difficult to say how deep - looks to me that it is not too deep right now, because roads and higher located housing estates still seam to be dry. I could not see any major activity of army or volunteer personal building sand bags or securing dykes - a positive sign in my POV. There is obviously no necessity for any measures at the airport right now.
The airport was empty, not many people walking inside, the plane from Singapore half empty. I could proceed to the immigration without any waiting time. That's very unusual in this time of the year.
SailSingapore
11-10-11, 06:15
Grand party in Siam!
Hello, everybody!
Have been reading reading reports since before going to Thailand to gather enough info on everything!
Reports have been way to useful!
Firstly let me introduce myself! I am a indian! 24 yrs old!
Was very excited for the Thailand trip...
Karan Singh
11-10-11, 06:22
Hey, great report!
A couple of observations:
1) Interesting that the foreign women ask and get more baht than the local girls. Good to hear they work hard for their money, though!
2) I haven't "gone down" on a white woman in a long, long time. Taste different than Thai?
3) You are a very brave man to "carry" into Thailand.
4) You gave her your Armani (real?) shirt? Nice guy.
These foreign women work hard. But some of them have really bad attitude. Its best to ignore them.Yeah guy. It was a real one. And she wore it and she went crazy. She was literally posing arnd in the room wearing only the shirt.
We were very scared initially. But how else are you going to make your trip interesting! And damn. That thing is necessary!
I had a few questions though!
I will be in Bangkok in February. M coming alone! TO celebrate my birthday!
But I aint interested in the european chicks this time!
Where can I get nice. Very good looking thai chicks! Other than the g clubs! I don't want to end up paying for drinks! And no action!
And I prefer LT! Please put some light guys!
The airport was empty, not many people walking inside, the plane from Singapore half empty. I could proceed to the immigration without any waiting time. That's very unusual in this time of the year.I flew out of BKK to Hanoi a few days ago (Tuesday) in the early morning. Saw some flooding around Suvarnabhumi, but farther north, about 10 minutes directly out of Bangkok, it looks like "Water World," submerged housing subdivisions, floating Wats. Unreal.
BKK was very busy at 6am. Lots of people heading out on Air Asia. We had to wait about 10 minutes at Thai Immigration. The flight to Hanoi was probably 90 percent full, mostly European KSR tourist types, and a few Thais. Hanoi, at least the Old Quarter, is bustling with tourists, and pretty women on motorbikes. Off to Halong Bay tomorrow for some fresh air.
BTW, before I left the tap water at my Sathorn building was starting to smell like dirt!
SailSingapore
11-10-11, 08:00
Yeah guy. It was a real one. And she wore it and she went crazy. She was literally posing arnd in the room wearing only the shirt.
We were very scared initially. But how else are you going to make your trip interesting! And damn. That thing is necessary!
I had a few questions though!
I will be in Bangkok in February. M coming alone! TO celebrate my birthday!
But I aint interested in the european chicks this time!
Where can I get nice. Very good looking thai chicks! Other than the g clubs! I don't want to end up paying for drinks! And no action!
And I prefer LT! Please put some light guys!Plenty of great MaryJane in Thailand bro : after all it was a huge R&R base during Nam.
Thanks. The idea of being more discreet about handing over the money is very interesting and intriguing. Sticking it in her purse when she is in the shower is an extreme case, though. If there is a risk she doesn't even notice you have given her money, doesn't that defeat the purpose? In particular when you are in a clearly P4P situation and she does expect payment? You probably wouldn't do that after the first night?IMO there is no significant risk she will not notice a large sum of money placed outside of her wallet inside her purse. I've done this many times and the P4P gals never even ask me about their donation and I have never needed to tell them it's in their purse. They are far more tuned in to "saving face" than we clueless farangs are. Sometimes, though, they look in their bag before leaving my room, perhaps pretending it's to find their lipstick or something else, when in fact they are seeing if they got paid and or if it was the right amount. Otherwise they probably check it shortly after departing.
If they take their purse to the toilet and I have no opportunity to sneak the dough in there secretly, then I resort to plan B, the taxi fare or other stories. With other girls, such as those who act very mercenary, I feel no need to make up a story, even counting out the bills in front of them. That would also be your best bet if concerned an issue might arise as to you didn't give her the right amount, if a predetermined price was set.
Sometimes, though, no matter how hard you try to do things the right way, there are going to be girls who are bitches or having a bad hair day or that time of the month, in which case maybe it's time to switch pussies. There are too many pleasers to spend much time on those losers one is not clicking with in LOS.
To indian-taking hash into Thailand-god I pray you get caught! And guys worry if they should pay or not to pay. LOL.Asshole, uh, sorry I meant jerkoff....
IMO there is no significant risk she will not notice a large sum of money placed outside of her wallet inside her purse. I've done this many times and the P4P gals never even ask me about their donation and I have never needed to tell them it's in their purse. They are far more tuned in to "saving face" than we clueless farangs are. Sometimes, though, they look in their bag before leaving my room, perhaps pretending it's to find their lipstick or something else, when in fact they are seeing if they got paid and or if it was the right amount. Otherwise they probably check it shortly after departing.
If they take their purse to the toilet and I have no opportunity to sneak the dough in there secretly, then I resort to plan B, the taxi fare or other stories. With other girls, such as those who act very mercenary, I feel no need to make up a story, even counting out the bills in front of them. That would also be your best bet if concerned an issue might arise as to you didn't give her the right amount, if a predetermined price was set.
Sometimes, though, no matter how hard you try to do things the right way, there are going to be girls who are bitches or having a bad hair day or that time of the month, in which case maybe it's time to switch pussies. There are too many pleasers to spend much time on those losers one is not clicking with in LOS.Thanks for your suggestions, PinkPearl! Very interesting.
Sorry, that was partly a language issue. When you first said "inside her purse" I thought by "purse" you ment "wallet" and now you clarified "inside her purse" (so you mean handbag),"outside of her wallet". That is a bit more obvious, but still very discreet and interesting.
I agree with what you say about saving face. Interesting to learn that a WG should be concerned about loosing face by receiveing payment for services provided, even if it happens in a hotel room where no one else sees it!
A few things are in order here: you already had paid for FS with a "working girl," so that was established. Presumably if you see her again, that is going to continue. But it doesn't have to. There are enough girls in the business who may have a zillion different motives for doing what they do and surprising you. She could have been A) happy that you seemed to like her enough to invite her out for a paid night on the town, maybe few other guys had done this B) maybe she had a great vibe with you or found you attractive or charming or intelligent enough C) maybe one of those girls who are happy to provide "freebies" for guys whom they think really like them, hoping it might lead to something much bigger and better D) maybe she has a sponsor or two sending XXXXX baht per month and has absolutely no need for the extra cash, and you were just a pleasant diversion E) maybe part of her whole business sense You will never know the motives or reasons of these girls, but no, you did not "waste" 3000 baht, regardless of her expression, as a working girl I would assume she expects cash. I would say that you highly overpaid, I don't think I'd have given her more than 1500 max, especially after having seen her in the massage place and presumably paying her about the same (irregardless of time in this situation).Thanks a lot for your good analysis, Oldian! I think all your points are valid.
Lama Di Bali
11-11-11, 05:09
I'm passing through towards the end of next week for a couple of days and want to know what the current status of the tollway from the airport to the Sukhumvit area is. I guess it doesn't really matter how long it takes getting in, but it's sure useful to know how much time to allow when I've got a plane to catch on the way out.
I've kept up pretty much with the flood risk from the media and from Giotto's posts, but I haven't been able to get any info on the airport road, so if you've flown in or out in the last few days, please take the time to post. Thanks.
I'm passing through towards the end of next week for a couple of days and want to know what the current status of the tollway from the airport to the Sukhumvit area is. I guess it doesn't really matter how long it takes getting in, but it's sure useful to know how much time to allow when I've got a plane to catch on the way out.
I've kept up pretty much with the flood risk from the media and from Giotto's posts, but I haven't been able to get any info on the airport road, so if you've flown in or out in the last few days, please take the time to post. Thanks.Lama Di Bali,
No problem to get from the airport to the Sukhumvit area. That's all in the dry zone. 45 min. as usual.
Giotto
PS: Looks to me as if things are improving now.
I'm passing through towards the end of next week for a couple of days and want to know what the current status of the tollway from the airport to the Sukhumvit area is. I guess it doesn't really matter how long it takes getting in, but it's sure useful to know how much time to allow when I've got a plane to catch on the way out.
I've kept up pretty much with the flood risk from the media and from Giotto's posts, but I haven't been able to get any info on the airport road, so if you've flown in or out in the last few days, please take the time to post. Thanks.Been telling everyone all along, its all ok and no problems with airport or Sukhumvit.
Lama Di Bali
11-11-11, 08:21
Looks to me as if things are improving now.Thanks Giotto, appreciate you taking the time.
Saw this on the web last evening:
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Bangkok-Flood-Update-30169547.html
Lama Di Bali
11-11-11, 08:28
Looks to me as if things are improving now.Thanks Giotto, appreciate you taking the time.
Saw this on the web last evening:
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/265654/bangkok-dry-by-nov-20
Harry Dude
11-11-11, 08:37
I'm passing through towards the end of next week for a couple of days and want to know what the current status of the tollway from the airport to the Sukhumvit area is. I guess it doesn't really matter how long it takes getting in, but it's sure useful to know how much time to allow when I've got a plane to catch on the way out.
I've kept up pretty much with the flood risk from the media and from Giotto's posts, but I haven't been able to get any info on the airport road, so if you've flown in or out in the last few days, please take the time to post. Thanks.I did this yesterday: Arrived at Suvarnabhumi at 1230pm, put my luggage in storage, caught a taxi to Mango. The ride was about 55 minutes. The drive back at 7pm was faster.
Karan Singh
11-11-11, 10:01
I had been to Bangkok earlier. Couldn't find good looking thai girls. Had to settle for eastern european girls.
But this time. It'll be just thai. After all m coming back to Thailand. Not uzbekistan or turkey.
Anyways guys.
Please help me out with this.
And by goodlooking I mean not the issan types. I would settle for fair, tall, nicely dressed.
Member #4698
11-11-11, 13:53
Yes, thanks Giotto for providing some of the best information on this disaster.
Now that the flood is receding, it is 'Yingluck's Decisive Moment' – can she get the place back up and running in a timely fashion?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204224604577027803465417794.html
Ralph Kramden
11-11-11, 17:05
Please excuse my political comment on a sex site.
Yingluck can either be the fall person for a disaster that has been waiting to happen for 50 years, which you can really blame on the ineptitude of the Thai mentality. Or she can be a hero for helping to save the business / tourist areas of Bangkok. I am betting on the latter. However, this will only be short lived because the next natural disaster is just around the corner with global warming taking hold. Just look at the map. She needs to provide real leadership for that to be averted. I am betting against that.
Wolvenvacht
11-11-11, 19:03
And by goodlooking I mean not the issan types.Aww, I like the tanned Isaan types. It is my main reason to come to Thailand.
I'm passing through towards the end of next week for a couple of days and want to know what the current status of the tollway from the airport to the Sukhumvit area is. I guess it doesn't really matter how long it takes getting in, but it's sure useful to know how much time to allow when I've got a plane to catch on the way out.
I've kept up pretty much with the flood risk from the media and from Giotto's posts, but I haven't been able to get any info on the airport road, so if you've flown in or out in the last few days, please take the time to post. Thanks.I'm in BKK now from two days alredy, everything is ok and dry here, only mineral water its still not available in 7/11 but no problem in Hotels and restaurants. I been also in mango and ez. Full of nice girls and a few people around streets. Beer Garden to night was empty at 11. 45 but I had alredy a very good session in az so now I'm in my room soi 8 tired but happy. Maybe Ill move to Pattaya or hua hin in a short time.
Greetings,
Z
I had been to Bangkok earlier. Couldn't find good looking thai girls. Had to settle for eastern european girls.
But this time. It'll be just thai. After all m coming back to Thailand. Not uzbekistan or turkey.
Anyways guys.
Please help me out with this.
And by goodlooking I mean not the issan types. I would settle for fair, tall, nicely dressed.There are no good looking Thai girls in Bangkok.
I would not want to see them get busted with you anyway. Just stick to your smuggling of hash into the country and the over priced eastern europeans.
Where can I get nice. Very good looking thai chicks! Other than the g clubs! I don't want to end up paying for drinks! And no action!
And I prefer LT! Please put some light guys!Whenever I've visited Pattaya, I've always found the hot girls in the discos
Member #4698
11-11-11, 22:40
Just stick to your smuggling of hash into the country.Yeah KS, I would be careful about what you write about yourself on the internet if I were you. What you did definitely qualifies as risky business and the less people know about it, the better off you will be. I read your trip report. It was interesting and unique. I am glad you had a good time. From reading your trip report, I gather you don't mind spending some Baht on girls you find really 'hot'. So, based on your post, I suggest you try Spasso, Thermae, some high end Soapies and one or two escort services. Read the forum for more info on these venues and report back. I for one would like to hear how your 2nd trip goes. And for Krishna sake take it easy, man.
This is so utterly crazy to do something like carrying into Thailand. Next time it may be "Your room, sir, is now ready at the Bangkok Hilton (Bang Kwang Central Prison)".
SNIPPED.
Well I forgot one thing! We took some hash! It was epic! Taking the stuff to Thailand! And passing through the indian airport security!
Rolled a "J" before going to rasputin!
SNIPPED
Karan Singh
11-12-11, 05:19
@jgm005. I know man. It's crazy. Won't be doing it next time. Forsho.
@luvpuss. I wasnt smuggling it dude. It was just for our own use. Anyways. Won't be doing it again as I meantioned it above.
And won't be sticking to european girls this time. Thats something that cannot be done again.
So if you would just let me know whr do I find nice thai chicks. It'll be helpful.
@natty bumpo. Yeah I don't mind spending bucks on girls I find hot. Have you been to thermae and spasso lately? Whats the scenario there?
The problem is that soapy girls don't come out. And escort services are way too costly.
GentleBoner
11-12-11, 07:33
Where's the best place to go if you want to have sex thai style?
I mean like doing it in rice fields and in huts with no aircon with girls who don't speak any English.
I'm assuming Isaan, but where? And what opportunities are there?
@jgm005. I know man. It's crazy. Won't be doing it next time. Forsho.
@luvpuss. I wasnt smuggling it dude. It was just for our own use. Anyways. Won't be doing it again as I meantioned it above.Try to explain that to Thai DEA. You are absolutely Crazy, dude
Karan Singh
11-12-11, 10:11
Try to explain that to Thai DEA. You are absolutely Crazy, dudeLets just chuck this topic here. Please guys. I've had enough!
As I said won't be doing it next time.
Stop with the global warming nonsense. Many gullible people here will believe you.
Global warming is a hoax.
Polar bears are not at risk due to global warming. If iceberg they on melt they can swim to next one. LOL.
-snip-Yes, and the earth is flat!
(Actually it's a pity that it isn't, because otherwise idiots like you would fall off the edge, on the way to Thailand)
Map 12.11.2011, 6.00 pm:
http://maps.google.fr/maps/ms?msid=203278216882407399461.0004af623e23c9dccde11&msa=0&ll=13.816744,100.590134&spn=0.408733,0.727158
Giotto
Where's the best place to go if you want to have sex thai style?
I mean like doing it in rice fields and in huts with no aircon with girls who don't speak any English.
I'm assuming Isaan, but where? And what opportunities are there?Not in Bangkok [BKK] or Pattaya. This is the BKK thread, so why don't you go to the Isaan thread and ask there.
BJ here.
Just to say thank you to a couple of forum members who popped in to our bar in Soi 7/1 recently. They seemed happy with the general approach of our staff and the service they received from our ladies. Glad to see that the floods seem to finally be receeding, good news for everyone I'm sure you will agree. My heart goes out to the plight of the thousands of people who have genuinly suffered recently. Hope things will start to get back to normal now.
Western787
11-12-11, 16:35
stop with the global warming nonsense. many gullible people here will believe you.
global warming is a hoax.
polar bears are not at risk due to global warming. if iceberg they on melt they can swim to next one. lol.
ps to indian fellow who is going to thailand to look for thai girls. good luck. i'm kinda in tune why thai girls not too keeen on indians. they just not a bright bunch!this is ot, but since i see someone blasting you already i find it necessary to support you, and you are in fact supported by at least 15, 000 science ph d's (including a top mit scientist) who have gone on the record now. all of whom question the central premise that global warming (to the extent it is, was, or has or has not occured) is being provably caused by manmade activities. to be fair, it was not a ground up "hoax" from inception, it was more about massive amounts (now in the billions) of grant money infused into a relatively obscure dept of typical universities, where the grant recipients in effect became rock stars fawned over by a compliant major media industry, and just didn't want to get off the stage when the numbers started to go against them, so they "hid the decline" and rigged other numbers (e. g. cherry picking the russian data to favor temp increases) and clearly corrupted the "peer review" process. the core samples will soon put the entire issue to rest, its a matter of several more years of samples. the polar bear issue is classic because the famous photo was cropped (there is land nearby) and in fact the "peer review" was done by the main scientist's girlfriend, this same sicentist now under criminal investigation by the usa govt. the entire nonsense about polar bears all derived from a single observation by a plane overflying the area that noticed 7 or 8 dead polar bears. they never determined the cause of death nor did any real core research beyond that. keep in mind major corporate interests like (former) enron and ge and even duke energy (all seeing the profit potential) have a major vested interest in keeping the illusion going, so that's why its so difficult to have any honest debate on this.
Map 12. 11. 2011, 6.00 pm:
http://maps.google.fr/maps/ms?msid=203278216882407399461.0004af623e23c9dccde11&msa=0&ll=13.816744,100.590134&spn=0.408733,0.727158
GiottoGiotto,
Have you reversed your position on coming to Bangkok now? Is it now OK to come and monger and not have to worry about supplies?
Mr Enternational
11-13-11, 05:47
Where's the best place to go if you want to have sex thai style? I mean like doing it in rice fields and in huts with no aircon with girls who don't speak any English.You can do all the hut fucking you want for 200 baht / pop. Just go to the Crack Shacks in Pattaya. And be sure to bring mosquito spray.
Giotto,
Have you reversed your position on coming to Bangkok now? Is it now OK to come and monger and not have to worry about supplies?Good question. My POV:
How to understand the flood news right now
We basically get good news about receding water from the north of Bangkok and the districts further north (Ayutthaja etc.) , and bad news about inundated areas and rising water from the east / south-east / west side of the city.
You must think about a giant lake moving south, covering a huge area, but being not very deep (2-3 m max). That means, that we will get good news about receding water in the northern areas the lake covers, and bad news about rising water in the southern areas the lake moves into. There is only very little slope towards sea level, that makes the movement of the lake quite slow. That's good and bad. It prolongs the flood in some areas, because the water moves on very slowly, but it also gives the canal and pumping system (BMA drainage system) time to pump water into the rivers.
Reaching the flood barriers the water is blocked, rises in front of the flood barriers and finally leaks through or overflows the barriers.
The Flood barriers buy time for the BMA's drainage system. Water flows into the canals to pumping stations, from where it is then pumped into the 3 rivers here in the Chao Praya delta and finally flows into the Gulf of Thailand. In total the lake gets smaller every day, but it is still there, and it is still huge.
Critical areas
In the west of Bangkok (other side of the river) many districts are inundated (Nonthaburi etc.). In the east / south east Bang Chen and Lad Krabang industrial estates are seeing rising water levels and struggle to survive.
Suvaranabhumi airport
The airport and the roads from the airport into the mongering / tourist areas have not seen any flood yet. But - the moving lake has just started to reach the area north of the airport (Lad Krabang industrial estate). We don't really know right now how bad that area around the airport will be effected.
Will the mongering area (Sukhumvit, Central Bangkok) be flooded?
Most likely not. This area is protected by two giant flood tunnels (near Makhasan / Ratchadapisek and Rama 9) and an effective pumping system. Risk is that the pumps fail, or it starts to rain. There was no major rainfall (just a little bit) in the last 10 days, and the raining season should be over. The pumps are more or less working fine. Up to now.
Bangkok dry in 2 weeks
Some politicians voiced their opinion since Friday, that Bangkok will be dry in 10 days / 2 weeks. That will NOT happen. It will last longer.
Supply situation
It's still tense, but basically you find everything you need. The 7/11 shops are somehow badly managed, they have some product shortages every day. Other shops are well stocked (Villa Market, Emporium).
We don't get any draft beer right now (Singha, Tiger, Heineken). So we have to sell bottles. No major issue.
Prices for nearly everything have risen (eggs, vegetables, bottled water etc. etc. ).
There is a fight (BMA against flood) ongoing to keep Rama II road open. That's the main traffic connection to the South, located in the west of Bangkok, and right now the main road to deliver goods from logistic centers into the city. The road was closed yesterday afternoon for some hours, and it is now open again. We all don't know the outcome of this ongoing battle in the days to come. If the road needs to be closed for a longer period of time the supply situation in Bangkok could deteriorate.
Tap Water
It smells a bit "muddy", but still looks clean. Don't drink it, and you should be ok. Up to now it did not cause any problems for the employees / customers here at Livingstone's Lodge.
Health issues
Many reports about rashes and skin diseases from those living in the flood. No major outbreak of water-born infectious diseases up to now. Still - stay away from the water, it's dirty and polluted with all kinds of stuff picked up on the way down from the North. Don't become a flood tourist!
Mongering situation
A buyers market. Many girls have left to help their families in the inundated areas, but there are still a lot opportunities out there. Hotels are empty. You can get cheap rooms / special offers everywhere.
Conclusion
There are still certain risks to travel to Bangkok, but it is somehow manageable now. I still believe that there are better places than Bangkok right now - if you want to go for a vacation.
Giotto
http://www.livingstones.co.th
PS: Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvzJE8iGUoA&feature=share
Map 13. 11. 2011, 3 pm:
http://maps.google.fr/maps/ms?msid=203278216882407399461.0004af623e23c9dccde11&msa=0&ll=13.726712,100.686951&spn=0.40889,0.727158
Some explanations:
- The Sukhumvit area is approx. there where you find "Vadhana" on the map.
- Water is closing in towards the airport from the eastern flood.
- The major movement of water into the central area during the last 2 days can be seen in the Bang Kapi, Srinakarin, Hua Mak area, looks like a wedge to the south into the center of the map
Giotto
Love Sex 22
11-13-11, 15:04
Arrived to Bangkok Nov / 10 around midnight. Airport was basically empty never seen it like that no lines in the passport controls. First time the taxi station stand try to ask me for a fixed price of 400 baht to sukhumvit area. I refused and so they agreed to the normall meter rate plus 50 baht. Did not see any flooding on the way to sukhumvit. As far as girls see a lot more girls standing in streets, specially in soi 11 looking for customers around midnight never seen that before, Also in clubs looks like many more girls than customers. Most buildings have prepared sand bags for the flood but this was interesting in Central Silom big wall of sand bags.
I just got back home from a 'mini-break' in Bangers: 2 nights only. Flew in & out of Suvarnabhumi, stayed at Rajadamri Road, nights out in Suk Soi 4 to 23. I didn't see any flooding, just lots of cars parked on highways and lots of sandbags. Tourist numbers were definitely lower than usual, but popular bars in NEP & Soi Cowboy were full during show time. The lack of tourists made things much more pleasant. The girls seemed to have a better attitude, and Suk was much easier to walk down. The temperatures were lovely & cool. Never been easier to get a taxi, and the roads were fairly traffic free,
Things are obviously awful for Thais living in flood affected areas, but if you're a typical western tourist staying in central BKK enjoying the nightlife I would say, IME, that now is a good time to visit.
Kens.
Where's the best place to go if you want to have sex thai style?
I mean like doing it in rice fields and in huts with no aircon with girls who don't speak any English.
I'm assuming Isaan, but where? And what opportunities are there?I doubt you can have sex in the rice fields. Rice fields are usually waterlogged.
Yes, you can have sex in huts with no air con. I think you better go to Chiang Mai region.
When I went there with my girlfriend we took few tours. While on one tour visiting ethnic monorities who are mostly from Myanmar the guide told me privately that the beautifull girls are available. I just commented to him that these girls look really pretty and nice figure. He asked me if I wanted to see the huts where they live in. When I said yes he took me there. It had a wooden plank where I guess the action takes place. No matress. I guess you can do it on the floor as well which looked uneven. I think he was trying to test me if I am game when I asked how these girls and their families manage to live on tourist business alone. He said some girls have jobs in the towns.
I showed no interest and price was not discussed. Set up could be you meet the guy in the evening and he will take you to the hut and you do the deed, pay the money most likely to the guy and he will bring you back.
I am sure local men regularly do this. Also I think these things are done discretely under cover of darkness.
Generally these things in Thailand is safe. Good luck!
You can do all the hut fucking you want for 200 baht / pop. Just go to the Crack Shacks in Pattaya. And be sure to bring mosquito spray.Haven't heard of these. Could you elaborate?
PeterPan69
11-13-11, 19:52
Hi guys I will be travelling to Bangkok in about 10 days and will stay at the Holiday Inn Silom.
Can you tell me if that area is flooded or in danger to be flooded.
Also can I go from there to Colonze 2 as I get a great Nuru massage there.
Anywhere else I can get a nuru massage in BKK.
Any help will do thanks a lot guys.
John
Mr Enternational
11-13-11, 22:47
Haven't heard of these. Could you elaborate?Http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=1028263&viewfull=1#post1028263
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=1056296&viewfull=1#post1056296
Hi all, update on my first few days back in BKK. Went straight out to Soi cowboy the very same night I landed (thought it would be rude not too) it certainly felt great to be back in the action. I went to a few bars and noticed the number of ladies was down by quite a bit compared with the last time I was here, which was early September, needless to say a result of the flood situation. But I still had myself a splendid time and despite the number of ladies being reduced I still managed to find myself a beautiful young lady who showed me exactly why BKK wins hands down for the right place to live. I seem to have picked the right time to come back from U. K though, a friend of mine who lives in Cumbria (north of England) was telling me the temperature had dropped to 2 degrees. Mind you I will have to pop back to London at the end of January / beginning of February time so I'm sure the weather will be even worse then. Have to confess as good as all the bars are in BKK are and as we are all aware they are awesome I met a very nice lady last Sunday. Turns out she runs a massage place in the Sukhumvit area and I have spent quite a lot of time with her since last week. It's a refreshing change to actually spend some quality time with someone rather than a short time with a bar girl, not that I am criticizing that practice in any way. Before I was fortunate enough to meet her I was a go-go bar hound at every opportunity and no doubt if things don't work out with her I will be straight back into the same swing. Curiously though she actually told me she would have no problem with me visiting lady bars and taking one back to a short time hotel. Can't work out if she genuinely means that or if she is trying to test my commitment even at this early stage, but honestly haven't been tempted to test her resolve in this matter (yet that is). One of the best things about coming back is the food here, the Thai food in London is a pale imitation of the real thing. Well that's all for now people.
One Tree Hill
11-14-11, 16:46
went for a visit today. for those not knowing this is a relatively new bj bar on suk 7/1. it is billed as being clean and upscale for this type of thing.
i can certainly say that it appears bright and shiny and has a sleek feel to the place. once you enter the girls appear on the 2nd level above you.
so you have to look up and make your choice. there are 2 types of girls. 1) nurses 700 bht / and consultants 1000 bht. there were 4 consultants and.
about 4 nurses to choose from. the only one striking my fancy was a long haired consultant. so i picked her.
next you go up the stairs to the 3rd floor. the second floor is a mattress room for the girls to rest / play. on the 3rd floor are cubicles with a comfy chair.
stools and a wash basin for little johnny. ist your are washed them sucked. my girl yin had a soft velvety mouth and a nice body. i did however have to ask her.
to remove her clothes after she had already started the process. she complied with no problem. i was dissappointed that she did make it easy for me to.
feel her body or have much any contact aside from her mouth on my dick. her skills were good enough and after a bit i cim.
finally time to be washed and pay the check bin.
good: nice place, private, clean, comfy. a step up from [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) / sol etc.
bad: having to choose the girls from far away / 1000 baht is a lot for bj and little contact.
summary: i will go back and try a 700 baht nurse next time. for bj lovers i say give it a try. you'll like it.
certainly more 'upscale" and has new place look and feel.
Warthog2837
11-14-11, 17:50
Will be in BKK nextweek for a week of mongering. I usually stop by Gullivers for a bite / drink at various times while I am in town, and have noticed some of the local female species showing up after work hours for a drink or two. Anyone have recommendations if any of these locals, generally secretary / professionally dressed types, are available? Anybody have any luck here?
Will be in BKK nextweek for a week of mongering. I usually stop by Gullivers for a bite / drink at various times while I am in town, and have noticed some of the local female species showing up after work hours for a drink or two. Anyone have recommendations if any of these locals, generally secretary / professionally dressed types, are available? Anybody have any luck here?There's only 1 reason to be there and it ain't the food. If she's there then she's workin...
Mr Enternational
11-14-11, 22:13
Do non hookers hang out where hookers hang out is the question of the millenium.And the answer would be yes. I have met and seen many in the discos in Pattaya. As a matter of fact when my non-hooker friends from BKK come to Pattaya the first thing they want to know is about going to Lucifer.
And how do you discern between the two you ask? Well as for me and my experience, if the girl is a hooker then she will ask,"how much you give me?" A non-hooker has no reason to discuss money and will not bring the subject up. Contrarily, many mongers think they should give non-hookers money as well. I was reading on Thai Visa yesterday where some guy even gives his wife 50K baht / month.
Redfield10
11-15-11, 06:03
Just checking to see if there are any types or years / series of 100 dollar bills that are difficult to exchange in Thailand. Thanks so much for the info. Just checking on the latest info.
Thanks, guys. Or is it better to bring some 50s also?
Mr Enternational
11-15-11, 06:25
Just checking to see if there are any types or years / series of 100 dollar bills that are difficult to exchange in Thailand. Thanks so much for the info. Just checking on the latest info.
Thanks, guys. Or is it better to bring some 50s also?It has to be at least 1996. The older style they will not change. And make sure it is in good condition, eg. not faded or torn, or they will not accept it. You do not need to bring any 50s, but in case you can't get your hands on any 100s, that is the next best thing. After that they give the same exchange rate for 20s, 10s, 5s, and 1s.
As I posted at the start of the flood, its a man made flood, purely to cause problems for the new government by.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/266369/nacc-asked-to-probe-abhisit
Good question. My POV:
How to understand the flood news right now
We basically get good news about receding water from the north of Bangkok and the districts further north (Ayutthaja etc.) , and bad news about inundated areas and rising water from the east / south-east / west side of the city.
You must think about a giant lake moving south, covering a huge area, but being not very deep (2-3 m max). That means, that we will get good news about receding water in the northern areas the lake covers, and bad news about rising water in the southern areas the lake moves into. There is only very little slope towards sea level, that makes the movement of the lake quite slow. That's good and bad. It prolongs the flood in some areas, because the water moves on very slowly, but it also gives the canal and pumping system (BMA drainage system) time to pump water into the rivers.
Reaching the flood barriers the water is blocked, rises in front of the flood barriers and finally leaks through or overflows the barriers.
The Flood barriers buy time for the BMA's drainage system. Water flows into the canals to pumping stations, from where it is then pumped into the 3 rivers here in the Chao Praya delta and finally flows into the Gulf of Thailand. In total the lake gets smaller every day, but it is still there, and it is still huge.
Critical areas
In the west of Bangkok (other side of the river) many districts are inundated (Nonthaburi etc.). In the east / south east Bang Chen and Lad Krabang industrial estates are seeing rising water levels and struggle to survive.
Suvaranabhumi airport
The airport and the roads from the airport into the mongering / tourist areas have not seen any flood yet. But. The moving lake has just started to reach the area north of the airport (Lad Krabang industrial estate). We don't really know right now how bad that area around the airport will be effected.
Will the mongering area (Sukhumvit, Central Bangkok) be flooded?
Most likely not. This area is protected by two giant flood tunnels (near Makhasan / Ratchadapisek and Rama 9) and an effective pumping system. Risk is that the pumps fail, or it starts to rain. There was no major rainfall (just a little bit) in the last 10 days, and the raining season should be over. The pumps are more or less working fine. Up to now.
Bangkok dry in 2 weeks
Some politicians voiced their opinion since Friday, that Bangkok will be dry in 10 days / 2 weeks. That will NOT happen. It will last longer.
Supply situation
It's still tense, but basically you find everything you need. The 7/11 shops are somehow badly managed, they have some product shortages every day. Other shops are well stocked (Villa Market, Emporium).
We don't get any draft beer right now (Singha, Tiger, Heineken). So we have to sell bottles. No major issue.
Prices for nearly everything have risen (eggs, vegetables, bottled water etc. Etc.).
There is a fight (BMA against flood) ongoing to keep Rama II road open. That's the main traffic connection to the South, located in the west of Bangkok, and right now the main road to deliver goods from logistic centers into the city. The road was closed yesterday afternoon for some hours, and it is now open again. We all don't know the outcome of this ongoing battle in the days to come. If the road needs to be closed for a longer period of time the supply situation in Bangkok could deteriorate.
Tap Water
It smells a bit "muddy", but still looks clean. Don't drink it, and you should be ok. Up to now it did not cause any problems for the employees / customers here at Livingstone's Lodge.
Health issues
Many reports about rashes and skin diseases from those living in the flood. No major outbreak of water-born infectious diseases up to now. Still. Stay away from the water, it's dirty and polluted with all kinds of stuff picked up on the way down from the North. Don't become a flood tourist!
Mongering situation
A buyers market. Many girls have left to help their families in the inundated areas, but there are still a lot opportunities out there. Hotels are empty. You can get cheap rooms / special offers everywhere.
Conclusion
There are still certain risks to travel to Bangkok, but it is somehow manageable now. I still believe that there are better places than Bangkok right now. If you want to go for a vacation.
Giotto.
http://www.livingstones.co.th
PS: Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvzJE8iGUoA&feature=share
Lord Farquard
11-15-11, 09:35
Just checking to see if there are any types or years / series of 100 dollar bills that are difficult to exchange in Thailand. Thanks so much for the info. Just checking on the latest info.
Thanks, guys. Or is it better to bring some 50s also?In addition to the old style bills, some money changers are fussy about writing and other marks on the bills. If you want to go to Myramar, they will only take new crisp bills when you cross the border and get your visa.
Member #4152
11-15-11, 10:19
I'll be in Bangkok in a couple of days. I'm currently in Pattaya. I was wondering if someone would be nice enough to give me a quick run down on the prices of the girls. Barfines at Go Go's, Bars, etc. Short time and Long time tips. Nana & Soi Cowboy. Sorry, if this post upsets a few of you guys.
El Frances
11-15-11, 16:35
And the answer would be yes. I have met and seen many in the discos in Pattaya. As a matter of fact when my non-hooker friends from BKK come to Pattaya the first thing they want to know is about going to Lucifer.
And how do you discern between the two you ask? Well as for me and my experience, if the girl is a hooker then she will ask,"how much you give me?" A non-hooker has no reason to discuss money and will not bring the subject up. Contrarily, many mongers think they should give non-hookers money as well. I was reading on Thai Visa yesterday where some guy even gives his wife 50K baht / month.With all respect I totally disagree. Of course there are a few absolute non-hookers who just go there for fun. But if the girl doesn't ask for money, it doesn't mean she's not expecting money. Most of my disco picks didn't ask for money (OK I let them understand I'm not a newbie in Patts, so they probably assume I know the rules of the game). And have a big smile when I put a 1000 bath bill in their bag the next morning.
Dash Riprock
11-15-11, 17:27
At the very least non western tourist business oriented ones. Try Easy Corner or Differ, both off 3rd Road in Pattaya. By and large if you're the standard western tourist, no one will pay much attention to you, I've seen more than a few just head right back out the door after 10 minutes of being ignored. Slightly more adjusted / acclimated western expats can be seen there having a good time once in awhile though.
I'll be in Bangkok in a couple of days. I'm currently in Pattaya. I was wondering if someone would be nice enough to give me a quick run down on the prices of the girls. Barfines at Go Go's, Bars, etc. Short time and Long time tips. Nana & Soi Cowboy. Sorry, if this post upsets a few of you guys.THIS IS JUST A GENERAL GUIDE:
http://www.thailandparadise.com/bangkok-go-go-bars.htm
Member #2453
11-16-11, 07:45
Visit to Dr. BJ and SOL.
On a short 2 day trip to BKK, having read about the new bar on soi 7/1, thought of giving it a try and compare past experiences at SOL.
Went there yesterday around 3. 30 afternoon, nice clean and impressive place as compared to similar bars. 3 consultants and 4 nurses present at the time, selected a consultant, mid 30s, looks a 4, off to the cubicles, the recliner seems a bit uncomfortable to enjoy a BJ, she pulls down my pants, wipes the Junior, and immediately starts a BJ, I ask her to slow down and ask her to undress, very reluctantly she take off her top, had to ask again if can undress completely, uttering something in Thai she undresses, and goes at it again, take her hand and put it on the balls and ask her to massage when doing the BJ, some small talk in OK English and resumes the BJ, I folded back my legs on the chair and ask her if she could do a rim job, no cannot, its ok, finish off after about 8 to 10mins. 200 tip for her.
Nice and clean place and everything stops there as far a BJ bar environment is concerned.
Out of the door just before 4:30, had a late lunch early dinner at one of those Egyptian restaurants on soi3, and was trying to compare my past experiences at SOL and today's experience at Dr. BJ, was not able to recollect as It has been almost 5 months since my last visit to SOL, so thought of going there today, hired a motto taxi and went to SOL, OHHH what a ride it was, thank god I'm still alive.
Reached SOL around 6:45 5 ladies sitting outside, one cute looking short girl, a little shy trying to hide among the 5, kay. 27yrs, good looking 7 and very fair, and nice big boobs, looked quite attractive in that red T-shirt and jeans, smiled at her and walked inside expecting her to follow me, the second sofa near the bathroom door busy, so sat at the bar, a lady comes in from outside asks what I want to drink, gets the beer and starts rubbing my bro, I ask her if she can send the lady in red, she says her name Kay, new girl, and asks if I want only Kay or 2 ladies including herself, I say first only Kay maybe later both, Kay joins me at the bar, very nice lady, buy her a drink and in the first 5 mins my pants are down the ankle, I ask her if we can move the sofa No. 1, she moves the drinks, and we move to sofa No. 1, a little misunderstanding, I ask her if she can remove my shoes and pull out the pants completely and put them on the sofa to be a little more comfortable, she immediately remove my shoes and socks, puts them in a corner, removes my pants folds them and puts them on the sofa, reaches for my T-shirt, I just think why but then just go with the flow, removes my t-shirt, removes her T-shirt and bra, oh nice set of tits, just touch her jeans pant button when she is taking off the bra, off comes the pants and panties, OHH nice shaved pussy, I think the misunderstanding was her very limited English and my non existing Thai, and a mix of sign language and English asking her to remove my pants, she thought we need to undress.
She wipes and starts a BJ, which goes on for sometime, with me having full access to her except a firm moving away of my hand when trying to do a little anal probe, after a few mins of BJ I pull out a condom from my pants pocket and she mentions 'you know fucking money' OHH what a sentence, I say 'I know I come here many time' she puts the condom and rides me, then doggy on the sofa and finish after some time, both walk to the bathroom still naked clean up and return to the sofa, ask her to get a drink for me and for her, she reaches for her pants to dress before going to fetch the drinks from the bar, I stop her and mention BJ again after the drinks, she puts back the pants on the sofa and comes back with the drinks and sits on my lap, very little conversation because of the language thing, after about 15 mins of fondling and exploring, she goes back to BJ, I show her and ask if she can do a rim job, pauses for a min and call out the other lady still sitting with a customer on sofa one, the other lady comes over and asks what I want, explains to kay and goes back to her sofa, Kay smiles take out a wet wipe I go on all my four doggy style, she wipes the AH and does a real good rim job for a long time simultaneously playing with the bro and giving a HJ, then back to BJ and finish after some effort, a small load in her mouth, runs to the bathroom and comes back. Both dress up, pay the bill and leave with a big smile on my face.
Total cost 1500 (FS) + 700 (BJ) + drinks + small change as tip = 3000, but an awesome 2 hours. 2 guys walk in during my time there, one sits at the bar like for 5 mins takes a lady to the bathroom, and after about 15mins comes out pays and leaves, the other guy walks in has a look at our sofa, then has a look at sofa 2 stands in the middle of the bar thinking, then a lady joins him, and he sits at the bar she fetches him a drink and try's to initiate some action, but I think he refuses, she walks off, maybe he was waiting for the sofas to be free, as he was still there after an hour when I was left the place, the mamasa was there most of the time sitting in the corner of the bar, both the times I walked the to bathroom I saw no action on sofa one except the girl being topless and the gentleman still fully dressed, drinking and talking to the lady.
Conclusion: DR. BJ nice clean bar, but what I really look for in a BJ is only at SOL. Two different setups offering two very different concepts which cannot be compared. For me the winner is SOL.
Member #2453
11-16-11, 07:46
Visit to Dr. BJ and SOL.
On a short 2 day trip to BKK, having read about the new bar on soi 7/1, thought of giving it a try and compare past experiences at SOL.
Went there yesterday around 3. 30 afternoon, nice clean and impressive place as compared to similar bars. 3 consultants and 4 nurses present at the time, selected a consultant, mid 30s, looks a 4, off to the cubicles, the recliner seems a bit uncomfortable to enjoy a BJ, she pulls down my pants, wipes the Junior, and immediately starts a BJ, I ask her to slow down and ask her to undress, very reluctantly she take off her top, had to ask again if can undress completely, uttering something in Thai she undresses, and goes at it again, take her hand and put it on the balls and ask her to massage when doing the BJ, some small talk in OK English and resumes the BJ, I folded back my legs on the chair and ask her if she could do a rim job, no cannot, its ok, finish off after about 8 to 10mins. 200 tip for her.
Nice and clean place and everything stops there as far a BJ bar environment is concerned.
Out of the door just before 4:30, had a late lunch early dinner at one of those Egyptian restaurants on soi3, and was trying to compare my past experiences at SOL and today's experience at Dr. BJ, was not able to recollect as It has been almost 5 months since my last visit to SOL, so thought of going there today, hired a motto taxi and went to SOL, OHHH what a ride it was, thank god I'm still alive.
Reached SOL around 6:45 5 ladies sitting outside, one cute looking short girl, a little shy trying to hide among the 5, kay. 27yrs, good looking 7 and very fair, and nice big boobs, looked quite attractive in that red T-shirt and jeans, smiled at her and walked inside expecting her to follow me, the second sofa near the bathroom door busy, so sat at the bar, a lady comes in from outside asks what I want to drink, gets the beer and starts rubbing my bro, I ask her if she can send the lady in red, she says her name Kay, new girl, and asks if I want only Kay or 2 ladies including herself, I say first only Kay maybe later both, Kay joins me at the bar, very nice lady, buy her a drink and in the first 5 mins my pants are down the ankle, I ask her if we can move the sofa No. 1, she moves the drinks, and we move to sofa No. 1, a little misunderstanding, I ask her if she can remove my shoes and pull out the pants completely and put them on the sofa to be a little more comfortable, she immediately remove my shoes and socks, puts them in a corner, removes my pants folds them and puts them on the sofa, reaches for my T-shirt, I just think why but then just go with the flow, removes my t-shirt, removes her T-shirt and bra, oh nice set of tits, just touch her jeans pant button when she is taking off the bra, off comes the pants and panties, OHH nice shaved pussy, I think the misunderstanding was her very limited English and my non existing Thai, and a mix of sign language and English asking her to remove my pants, she thought we need to undress.
She wipes and starts a BJ, which goes on for sometime, with me having full access to her except a firm moving away of my hand when trying to do a little anal probe, after a few mins of BJ I pull out a condom from my pants pocket and she mentions 'you know fucking money' OHH what a sentence, I say 'I know I come here many time' she puts the condom and rides me, then doggy on the sofa and finish after some time, both walk to the bathroom still naked clean up and return to the sofa, ask her to get a drink for me and for her, she reaches for her pants to dress before going to fetch the drinks from the bar, I stop her and mention BJ again after the drinks, she puts back the pants on the sofa and comes back with the drinks and sits on my lap, very little conversation because of the language thing, after about 15 mins of fondling and exploring, she goes back to BJ, I show her and ask if she can do a rim job, pauses for a min and call out the other lady still sitting with a customer on sofa one, the other lady comes over and asks what I want, explains to kay and goes back to her sofa, Kay smiles take out a wet wipe I go on all my four doggy style, she wipes the AH and does a real good rim job for a long time simultaneously playing with the bro and giving a HJ, then back to BJ and finish after some effort, a small load in her mouth, runs to the bathroom and comes back. Both dress up, pay the bill and leave with a big smile on my face.
Total cost 1500 (FS) + 700 (BJ) + drinks + small change as tip = 3000, but an awesome 2 hours. 2 guys walk in during my time there, one sits at the bar like for 5 mins takes a lady to the bathroom, and after about 15mins comes out pays and leaves, the other guy walks in has a look at our sofa, then has a look at sofa 2 stands in the middle of the bar thinking, then a lady joins him, and he sits at the bar she fetches him a drink and try's to initiate some action, but I think he refuses, she walks off, maybe he was waiting for the sofas to be free, as he was still there after an hour when I was left the place, the mamasa was there most of the time sitting in the corner of the bar, both the times I walked the to bathroom I saw no action on sofa one except the girl being topless and the gentleman still fully dressed, drinking and talking to the lady.
Conclusion: DR. BJ nice clean bar, but what I really look for in a BJ is only at SOL. Two different setups offering two very different concepts which cannot be compared. For me the winner is SOL.
With all respect I totally disagree. Of course there are a few absolute non-hookers who just go there for fun. But if the girl doesn't ask for money, it doesn't mean she's not expecting money. Most of my disco picks didn't ask for money (OK I let them understand I'm not a newbie in Patts, so they probably assume I know the rules of the game). And have a big smile when I put a 1000 bath bill in their bag the next morning.Correct info, and modus operandi.
Some guys think they are gods gift to women, and kid themselves, and most importantly think they have kidded us re all their free sex. Not so, LOL. .
Thai ladies have to pay rent and eat too, you know. If they happen to be non hookers, supplementing their meagre incomes is basic decency. Check out Thai culture, think you will find paying one way or another, is normal amongst Thais, whether girl is pro or not. The girls who are sincere about refusing money are very much the exception. Better to offer to lady and receive a genuine rebuttal, than not offer to a lady who really is in need, but too polite, shy, whatever to accept. What comes around, goes around. I am talking about 'decency' LOL. Twist it so you don't have to pay? Thats your business.
Add to all that, guys who boast about not paying on a sex site, usually have nothing better to do LOL, than boast. And begs the question why do they spend so much time on a pay sex site when they profess they are not paying? Come on, give us some credit for reading between the lines, and credit for some grey matter. Regular posters, on a sex site, who claim they are not paying pull their penis too often and end up spending too much time on a pay sex site, LOL. We are not daft, we read through you 'non-payers', especially when you spend so much time on a pay sex forum website, LOL. Stop jerkin the gherkin, you will go blind!
Hi, BJ here. I actually had my first day off on Tuesday (first one in ten!) so used the time constructively and did as little as possible. When I eventually dragged myself out of bed I decided to take a trip down to mbk and had the pleasure of being caught up in the throng of football supporters on their way to a game. Did a bit of shopping and a lot of wandering around. After a while I felt hungry so decided to go into Sukishi sushi bar on the 7th floor. To be honest not exactly a bewildering choice of food but everything on offer is very fresh and the price is very attractive at 300bt for an eat as much as you want.
I got home and had to crash out again to sleep the excesses of my meal, washed down with a bottle of san miguel.
Interesting walk home on Monday night, going past Soi 12, below an under pass just after 1 am, I was approached by a very enthusiastic freelancer who took a very hands on approach. I was welcomed not only by her but also by an overpowering smell, which I strongly suspect to be an indication of gonorrhea. Her enthusiasm became apparent, as I am sure she was desperately trying to raise the money to visit a doctor as quickly as possible and have the very uncomfortable ailment sorted out.
I'm curious if anyone else has come across this sort of thing, not the groin grope but the std as in, when even talking to a freelancer on the street, you get hit with an overwhelming smell?
As I posted at the start of the flood, its a man made flood, purely to cause problems for the new government by.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/266369/nacc-asked-to-probe-abhisitThat would be quite pathetic, if true that it was purposely caused as a political ploy. Though mongering-wise it may keep a government less favorable to punters busy with other affairs for years to cum. OTOH there are the possibilities of increased crime and disease, etc, due to the effects of the flooding.
I was welcomed not only by her but also by an overpowering smell, which I strongly suspect to be an indication of gonorrhea. Her enthusiasm became apparent, as I am sure she was desperately trying to raise the money to visit a doctor as quickly as possible and have the very uncomfortable ailment sorted out.
I'm curious if anyone else has come across this sort of thing, not the groin grope but the std as in, when even talking to a freelancer on the street, you get hit with an overwhelming smell?The girls all know Suprax and Zitrhomax, if you search a girls pocketbook when she is in the shower (like I always do) you will find about 50% are already packing antibiotics. Girls do not go to clinics, they go to the pharmacy.
Hi, BJ here. I actually had my first day off on Tuesday (first one in ten!) so used the time constructively and did as little as possible. When I eventually dragged myself out of bed I decided to take a trip down to mbk and had the pleasure of being caught up in the throng of football supporters on their way to a game. Did a bit of shopping and a lot of wandering around. After a while I felt hungry so decided to go into Sukishi sushi bar on the 7th floor. To be honest not exactly a bewildering choice of food but everything on offer is very fresh and the price is very attractive at 300bt for an eat as much as you want.
I got home and had to crash out again to sleep the excesses of my meal, washed down with a bottle of san miguel.
Interesting walk home on Monday night, going past Soi 12, below an under pass just after 1 am, I was approached by a very enthusiastic freelancer who took a very hands on approach. I was welcomed not only by her but also by an overpowering smell, which I strongly suspect to be an indication of gonorrhea. Her enthusiasm became apparent, as I am sure she was desperately trying to raise the money to visit a doctor as quickly as possible and have the very uncomfortable ailment sorted out.
I'm curious if anyone else has come across this sort of thing, not the groin grope but the std as in, when even talking to a freelancer on the street, you get hit with an overwhelming smell?I have run into several smelly pussies over the years. Most are probably an STD as the stink was coming from their naked pussy area. I could never could bang any of them due to the stink.
The thing about your situation may be a Bangkok issue not the girl. There are a lot of stinky areas around the city. Especially now with the floods. If the smell was that strong if may have been an outdoor odor or maybe lack of bathing. I think it would be hard to "smell an STD" from just standing near someone.
Member #4152
11-17-11, 01:43
Bangkok here I come! If anyone needs a wingman or wants to get together, let me know!
Last week, I rode the LINK Phaya Thai Express Train a couple of times to and from Suvarnabhumi (BKK) Airport. Comfortable, fast and sexy!
The tollways are free right now due to the floods, so traffic can be a bear at times. From Phaya Thai, you can either catch a taxi, or the BTS, to you final destination.
Trains leave on the half hour. The fare is 90 baht one way / 150 baht round trip. No issues with bags. The trip takes 17 minutes!
There is also a City Line regular train. It stops at all of the stations along the way and costs 45 baht from BKK to Phaya Thai. This is a commuter train that can get very crowded at rush hour.
Check it out!
I have run into several smelly pussies over the years. Most are probably an STD as the stink was coming from their naked pussy area. I could never could bang any of them due to the stink.
The thing about your situation may be a Bangkok issue not the girl. There are a lot of stinky areas around the city. Especially now with the floods. If the smell was that strong if may have been an outdoor odor or maybe lack of bathing. I think it would be hard to "smell an STD" from just standing near someone.Actually the most common reason for a so called stinky pussy is a yeast infection. Just because it smells down there doesn't mean she has an STD.
Yes, the Phaya Thai Express is indeed a great option to get in and out of Bangkok from the airport! Two weeks ago, I had a 6-7 hour transit at Suvarnabhumi. I simply deposited my carry-on bag at left luggage, went to the lower level, took the express to Phaya Thai, transferred to the BTS, and was enjoying my session at Mango about an hour after I landed! Reversed the process to get back to Suvarnabhumi, and slept like a baby on my long connecting flight. Much better option than chilling in the lounge!
Mr Enternational
11-17-11, 05:34
Some guys think they are gods gift to women, and kid themselves, and most importantly think they have kidded us re all their free sex. Not so, LOL. .
Thai ladies have to pay rent and eat too, you know. If they happen to be non hookers, supplementing their meagre incomes is basic decency. Check out Thai culture, think you will find paying one way or another, is normal amongst Thais, whether girl is pro or not. The girls who are sincere about refusing money are very much the exception. Better to offer to lady and receive a genuine rebuttal, than not offer to a lady who really is in need, but too polite, shy, whatever to accept. What comes around, goes around. I am talking about 'decency' LOL. Twist it so you don't have to pay? Thats your business.Better to offer money to a lady for sex? To me this reads, "Better to insult a lady by offering her money." Just because there is a large sex industry here does not mean that everybody is a hooker. Sure this would be the case if you picked them up at a bar or agogo where they are working. But learn to discern. If you were back home and "picked up" some chick would you offer her money the morning after? After all she has to pay rent and eat like everyone else on the planet. There is much more free pussy here than paid pussy. Sure if you only come a week out of the year your vision and understanding my be warped and you will think that everyone is P4P, but I'm sure the people who live here and interact with women who are not hookers do understand what I am saying.
Actually the most common reason for a so called stinky pussy is a yeast infection. Just because it smells down there doesn't mean she has an STD.It means she could in fact have an STD.
http://www.getridofvaginalodor.com/causes.html
Better to offer money to a lady for sex? To me this reads, "Better to insult a lady by offering her money." Just because there is a large sex industry here does not mean that everybody is a hooker. Sure this would be the case if you picked them up at a bar or agogo where they are working. But learn to discern. If you were back home and "picked up" some chick would you offer her money the morning after? After all she has to pay rent and eat like everyone else on the planet. There is much more free pussy here than paid pussy. Sure if you only come a week out of the year your vision and understanding my be warped and you will think that everyone is P4P, but I'm sure the people who live here and interact with women who are not hookers do understand what I am saying.If we think we have a non working girl or semi working girl we slip the money in her purse / bag. We do not talk money.
If we have a working girl we talk money. Regardless of country.
Back in the Western World, women have real opportunities for real jobs and real salaries. Not the norm in Thailand. Jobs can be very hard to get in Thailand, hence so many selling it. I'm talking about in general, not about exceptions.
You can not compare Thai womens conditions, opportunities, incomes, with foreign women's. Oranges and Apples. In general Western Women have their own money, hence less selling it normally. In general Thai women are struggling, hence some find the need to sell it, to augment their meagre wages.
You say : "there is so much free pussy here than paid pussy". Thats the case in every country in the world. No reason to not offer to help the relatively poor Thai girls, unless you yourself are poor and trying to stretch out your stay in Thailand? One suspects that is the reason.
You say "if you were back home and picked up some chick would you offer her money the morning after". You and everyone knows we do not offer money, cause they do not need it, they have their own money, in general. Thailand is a different country, you know, LOL. Different country requires different modus operandi.
You say : "Learn to discern". Thats what you have to do, yes.
You are lacking "jai dee", in my opinion, and taking advantage of the sweet charming girls of Thailand, hooker or not. You will never have the kharma of the jai dee foreigners, and I am not talking about sucker foreigners, I am talking about foreigners who understand and are considerate of Thai conditions, so different to our western world. Thailand is superior in some ways, but usually its a struggle in Thailand for the basics, usually.
Perhaps, when you have spent as much time in Thailand as I have you will have a different attitude.
End of subject for me.
Hi BJ her.
Just got back from the pickled liver in Soi 7/1, had a very nice pint of Fosters and some very tasty fish and chips. Admittedly it was not cod, which is the mainstay of chip shops in the U. K, it was some type of fish from New Zealand (apparently the food is not made on the premises but is delivered from Soi 11/1) , but never the less, it was very tasty and accompanied with hand cut thick chips, all round it was time very well spent. The Fosters tasted slightly different from back home as well but a really nice pint. Nothing to complain about, would recommend it to anyone who is looking for a break from the local cuisine. Although the local food I consider to be absolutely delicious, a break from what you like keeps the appetite sharp. Thanks for the responses to my asking about single malt whiskies, will take a look at the places which were recommended. Cheers for the pointers on starting a relationship in BKK as well, a lot of you guys have much more experience than I do in this complicated area and many other matters, so any tips will be very appreciated.
I have just read the same report posted on multiple forums regarding someone who visited the salon and also went to SOL. Although both establishments aim to offer a similar service BJ's, our target customer is seeking a different type of service. Our staff are professionally and sexily dressed, for that touch of cosplay, the premises are very well lit and kept scrupulously clean and the services provided are done so in private booths or VIP rooms on or offsite, well away from the bar / downstairs area. Also our added cleanliness point is that we do not offer 'pulls down my pants, wipes the Junior' with the freezing cold towel of death, never ever, in fact we do not even have any on site, all ladies offer a soapy balls cleansing, even in some cases a soapy ball massage as part of the service. We try to go to the next level up in that area. Please understand I am not criticizing SOL via a forum and I wish the owner all the success in his business future. I mean I have been in myself and had a great time, not sure I will do it again, as it is not my scene but it was fun nevertheless.
I am an avid reader and poster on many forums not just sex forums but ones based on my past work and do not get me started on facebook / twitter, I live on them and I am migrating from my personal one to the Dr BJ's one very soon, please follow if you are a user.
A funny thing that I have had to learn is what people think is the norm or not. Below are examples of things that posters on forums have explained what they think are the norm for a BJ outlet.
Cunnilingus, Rimming, Anal, holding long conversations like a girlfriend (difficult to do with a penis in your mouth) and some other ones that you would not believe.
The thing is, just because someone may think it is normal, does not mean we or more importantly any other customer does. This is why I like the Annie's approach in this situation, you tell us what you want, if it is more than a standard BJ and CIM etc and I will find it for you.
In summary, some customers will always prefer to go to establishments like SOL for what they offer and some customers will prefer Dr BJ's and that is perfectly understandable.
Vive la difference.
It means she could in fact have an STD.
http://www.getridofvaginalodor.com/causes.htmlOfcourse she "could" have. I'm just stating the most common cause for it. Atleast from what I have been told by friends who are gynecologists. I am in no way an expert on vaginal odor and I'm quite happy that I'm not.
If they happen to be non hookers, supplementing their meagre incomes is basic decency. Check out Thai culture, think you will find paying one way or another, is normal amongst Thais, whether girl is pro or not.I have to agree. Sinsot / dowry is a very real thing in Thailand. I lived with a Thai girl for over a year. Native Bangkok girl, university educated. She worked in a office, I met her through my job. However, she did come from a meager background. We had so many plans. I loved her dearly. I walked around in the clouds. I felt like the luckiest man alive. But when it came time to implement some of these plans, Sinsot came up. I had to give her father 400, 000 baht plus some gold, if I wanted to marry her. I simply did not have it, and I was not about to give it to a man who did not even like me. Hell, we could not even talk.
Monogamy is just not the same for Thais as it is for most Western cultures. Thais cheat, it is that simple. During my time with this girl, I met many of her friends. Some were married with children, yet they still had other lovers (more than 1!). If a western woman was having a affair, she would probably tell no one. On some levels she would feel ashamed. For your average Thai lady it is just water cooler gossip. They don't give a shit, they have no remorse. They are Thai.
In my opinion a long term relationship with a non P4P Thai girl is just as likely to fail than one with a girl who used to sell her body. I have failed miserably at both. The main reasons. I don't have enough cheddar and I do not speak Thai (If you are going to live here, you have to learn Thai or you will get shit on). Maybe someday."Treat a working girl like a princess, and a princess like a working girl." Words to live by. No doubt.
Bamboo Pete
11-17-11, 12:12
visit to dr. bj and sol.
on a short 2 day trip to bkk, having read about the new bar on soi 7/1, thought of giving it a try and compare past experiences at sol.
went there yesterday around 3. 30 afternoon, nice clean and impressive place as compared to similar bars. 3 consultants and 4 nurses present at the time, selected a consultant, mid 30s, looks a 4, off to the cubicles, the recliner seems a bit uncomfortable to enjoy a bj, she pulls down my pants, wipes the junior, and immediately starts a bj, i ask her to slow down and ask her to undress, very reluctantly she take off her top, had to ask again if can undress completely, uttering something in thai she undresses, and goes at it again, take her hand and put it on the balls and ask her to massage when doing the bj, some small talk in ok english and resumes the bj, i folded back my legs on the chair and ask her if she could do a rim job, no cannot, its ok, finish off after about 8 to 10mins. 200 tip for her.
nice and clean place and everything stops there as far a bj bar environment is concerned.i went to dr. bj last monday at arround 5pm. line up of 4 nurses and 4 consultants. price for nurse is 700b and for consultant is 1000b, and the only difference seems to be, that consultants seem to be younger and prettier. i don't think they provide better service, at least not the one that i chose.
compared to [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s, the place is much cleaner and the cubicles are quite nice (even you can hear every word in the cubicle next to you). but disadvantage is that you can't talk to the girl upfront, what service you want. at [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s i always make sure, that the girl will do cim.
the consultant i selected was very pretty, really unusual for a blow place. but she didn't speak any english. she took of her bra (on request) and she even had great tits. but, unfortunatelly her oral skills were not great. after a while i noticed, that she would not get me finished, so i pointed her to lick my balls and touch my ass with finger while i used my hand. when i was about to come, i moved up and pointed her to continue with bbbj, which she did, but when i came she stopped, no cim.
i'm sure they have better providers. maybe i should have asked for one of the annies girls, who at least could speak english and agree to some extra service (cim, ar) , and i would of course agree a better tip if they do.
Bamboo Pete
11-17-11, 12:23
I stayed 3 days in Bangkok and as I was close to Soi Cowboy (stayed in Admiral Premier Hotel) , I looked arround in those bars. I had two barfines, one from Baccara and one from Spice Girls, both quite pretty and gave DFK inside the bar. But in the room it was both times a low performance. 2 minutes DFK. 2 minutes BBBJ, and than "please get the condom". I told her to continue BBBJ, and 2 minutes the same again. Both were starfishes. Damage : 3000B (lady drinks, bar fine 700, ST 2000)
The other day I had an outcall from Victoria massage (Bell) , and this was an excellent service, as I had it from Mango and Snowwhite girls on my last visits. Damage also 3000B (1000massage. 1500 girl. 500 tip)
So, my decision is, to never get a gogo girl anymore (at least in Bangkok) , as there are better options. At the end I pay the same price for a bicycle as for a Ferrari.
I stayed 3 days in Bangkok and as I was close to Soi Cowboy (stayed in Admiral Premier Hotel) , I looked arround in those bars. I had two barfines, one from Baccara and one from Spice Girls, both quite pretty and gave DFK inside the bar. But in the room it was both times a low performance. 2 minutes DFK. 2 minutes BBBJ, and than "please get the condom". I told her to continue BBBJ, and 2 minutes the same again. Both were starfishes. Damage : 3000B (lady drinks, bar fine 700, ST 2000)
The other day I had an outcall from Victoria massage (Bell) , and this was an excellent service, as I had it from Mango and Snowwhite girls on my last visits. Damage also 3000B (1000massage. 1500 girl. 500 tip)
So, my decision is, to never get a gogo girl anymore (at least in Bangkok) , as there are better options. At the end I pay the same price for a bicycle as for a Ferrari.This is the same for me as I stopped going to GOGO's several years ago. The noise, bad dancers, AH owners, LD's, BF's, BS negoitations. There are so many better options available.
Hi, BJ here.
I was invited to a birthday party for a well known member of Bangkok society, nothing of any particular note to be honest, just a typical BP. Stayed for a respectable period of time then made my excuses and left.
On my way back popped into Nana plaza and went into straps (partially because it's one of the few bars in that area that I have never been to before). Not many customers in there to be honest but every business is down at present, sure this place will pick up soon, along with everyone else. The mammasan was particularly good, very attentive to the customers, without being pushy and in your face which is one of my pet hates with a lot of the go-go bars.
Have to add the quality of the ladies dancing was very impressive and again the mammasan stood out for me by the way she kept the girls motivated without coming over as a slave driver. I will definitely go back there when I can make time to, difficult to tear myself away from the salon especially as we have only been open for three weeks tops. Can definitely see myself taking one of the ladies from straps, would certainly recommend this place to anyone who hasn't been there yet.
Ciao,
BJ
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11-18-11, 08:38
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I stayed 3 days in Bangkok and as I was close to Soi Cowboy (stayed in Admiral Premier Hotel) , I looked arround in those bars. I had two barfines, one from Baccara and one from Spice Girls, both quite pretty and gave DFK inside the bar. But in the room it was both times a low performance. 2 minutes DFK. 2 minutes BBBJ, and than "please get the condom". I told her to continue BBBJ, and 2 minutes the same again. Both were starfishes. Damage : 3000B (lady drinks, bar fine 700, ST 2000)
The other day I had an outcall from Victoria massage (Bell) , and this was an excellent service, as I had it from Mango and Snowwhite girls on my last visits. Damage also 3000B (1000massage. 1500 girl. 500 tip)
So, my decision is, to never get a gogo girl anymore (at least in Bangkok) , as there are better options. At the end I pay the same price for a bicycle as for a Ferrari.
Hi BJ here.
I was invited to a birthday party for a well known member of Bangkok society, nothing of any particular note to be honest, just a typical BP. Stayed for a respectable period of time then made my excuses and left.
On my way back popped into Nana plaza and went into straps (partially because it's one of the few bars in that area that I have never been to before). Not many customers in there to be honest but every business is down at present, sure this place will pick up soon, along with everyone else. The mammasan was particularly good, very attentive to the customers, without being pushy, but with enough conversation and knowledge of English to help the shyer get into the pussy swing of things.
Have to add the quality of the ladies dancing was very impressive IMOP and again the mammasan stood out for me by the way she kept the girls motivated without coming over as a slave driver.
I will definitely go back there when I can make time to, difficult to tear myself away from the salon especially as we have only been open for three weeks tops. Can definitely see myself taking one of the ladies from straps, would certainly recommend this place to anyone who hasn't been there yet.
Ciao,
BJ
Bamboo Pete
11-18-11, 11:46
How do I get in contact with Victoria massage?Victoriamassagesoi39 dot com.
You can find several postings in forum "Bangkok Massage Parlors. Except Tulip and Annies"
Was in Bangkok last week. Like all report, centre of the city is very dry and very smooth from airport to city. If you had not read about it, you would not believe that so much of the city was under water.
But the story from the air is a different story and lots of places still heavily inundated. Let's hope the water flows into the Gulf of Thailand soon.
Again, as reported, very difficult to find water or soda. The convenience stores are pretty empty. If you're staying at a hotel and need water when outside, I would recomment you take the complimentary bottles from the room. Stayed at the Grand Millennium Sukhumvit which is good VFM (3500 bht rate on internet). Fully GFE. Not upto high 5 star standards but more than good enough for our purpose.
Went to Soi Cowboy a stone's throw away and hit my usual spot, Baccaras. Now they have a fully nude show even on the ground floor every 90 to 120 mins. The quality of these girls is much better than those on the first floor. Dancer No. 93 caught my eye big-time. I think she's really hot but I guess she doesn't come out unless its closing time since she's one of the 6 nude dancers.
She got a couple of drinks from me and on to the next customer. A mate was paying and so I did not mind. Any inputs on this one? Most girls quoted between 2500 to 3000 but I had other plans. My mate pulled one from the first floor for 2500bht. Seems she was really fun in the sack and up for anything.
Will report more on the escapades on the night and the next one later. Appreciate some info on No. 93.
McM
Nille Copenhagen
11-18-11, 13:08
Hi guys,
I need your help, I'm having a 6 hours (from 5pm Saturday) stopover in Bangkok,
Is there enough time to get into the city for some fun?
Is there any massage / brothel places near the airport?
I'm looking for some middle / upmarket soapy massage places, do you have some recommendations.
Thanks a lot.
Nille
LittleBigMan
11-18-11, 13:12
I have to agree. Sinsot / dowry is a very real thing in Thailand. I lived with a Thai girl for over a year. Native Bangkok girl, university educated. She worked in a office, I met her through my job. However, she did come from a meager background. We had so many plans. I loved her dearly. I walked around in the clouds. I felt like the luckiest man alive. But when it came time to implement some of these plans, Sinsot came up. I had to give her father 400, 000 baht plus some gold, if I wanted to marry her. I simply did not have it, and I was not about to give it to a man who did not even like me. Hell, we could not even talk.
Monogamy is just not the same for Thais as it is for most Western cultures. Thais cheat, it is that simple. During my time with this girl, I met many of her friends. Some were married with children, yet they still had other lovers (more than 1!). If a western woman was having a affair, she would probably tell no one. On some levels she would feel ashamed. For your average Thai lady it is just water cooler gossip. They don't give a shit, they have no remorse. They are Thai.
In my opinion a long term relationship with a non P4P Thai girl is just as likely to fail than one with a girl who used to sell her body. I have failed miserably at both. The main reasons. I don't have enough cheddar and I do not speak Thai (If you are going to live here, you have to learn Thai or you will get shit on). Maybe someday."Treat a working girl like a princess, and a princess like a working girl." Words to live by. No doubt.If you read the book Thailand Fever there is a chapter on this and it is translated so Thai can read exactly what you read in English. In the end, personally it is bunch of B. S. They created for themselves. No matter what you give or don't give in the end it will come back to bit you in the ass? You can't win? There is just another standard for us Farangs but I can name off a dozen Thai guys that I know that hasn't given a dime to the womens family. I know several Thai couples that have kids and they aren't even married and guess what they don't give shit to the women parents! The women are on their own and that is why there are so many working the bars to rise their kids because the guy leaves and send nothing and many don't even see or care if they have kids they left behind.
LBM
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Hi guys,
I need your help, I'm having a 6 hours (from 5pm Saturday) stopover in Bangkok,
Is there enough time to get into the city for some fun?
Is there any massage / brothel places near the airport?
I'm looking for some middle / upmarket soapy massage places, do you have some recommendations.
Thanks a lot.
NilleTake the train, then th BTS, to avoid issues with traffic, go straight to one of the massage place, Snow white, Mango, enjoy, take the train back and relax on the flight back. Can't be simpler. Info on location, girls etc. Are available on this thread and the massage parlours thread.
Nille Copenhagen
11-18-11, 23:55
Take the train, then th BTS, to avoid issues with traffic, go straight to one of the massage place, Snow white, Mango, enjoy, take the train back and relax on the flight back. Can't be simpler. Info on location, girls etc. Are available on this thread and the massage parlours thread.Thanks Dreams.
The ladies at Snow white look cute, are they still working there?
http://www.snowwhitemassage.com/
Which MPs have currently the prettiest ladies?
LittleBigMan
11-19-11, 07:07
It means she could in fact have an STD.
http://www.getridofvaginalodor.com/causes.htmlShe could? But based on the website you referred out of the 8/9 causes there are only 2 that is STD? If you did a small examine on her she would have swelling and pain in the area. I do from my experience that the majority of the smelly pussy are yeast infection but of course one should try to be cover.
But based on your own quote " a Real Man " Hell dig in and get yourself some yogurt! Some bad bacteria is good for you?
LBM
H BJ here.
Settling back into life in BKK well again, one of the things I don't miss about the U. K is the winters. Growing up in Scotland I had more than my fair share of bad weather (back when winters were really winters). Always takes quite a few days for my digestive system to re accustom to Thai food, but everything seems to be good now.
I met this girl just over a week ago who has been round to my place a few times since. Surprisingly she told me that on the nights she wasn't due to come round, she was happy for me to go to a lady bar and bring a working girl back, this made me instantly suspicious that it may be a, Thai lady trick / test. Now let's put my cold hard Scottish mind bending talents to the test.
I told her, wink wink, this would feel like cheating, so let's do a threesome. After her initial coyness I thought that maybe this will not work, I then had a brain wave and showed her some of the filthy hardcore Japanese lesbians girl on girl action I had downloaded whilst in the UK. It did the trick, after jamming my hands down her snatch; it seemed to have got the juices flowing.
I decided to go to a bar in Nana plaza to recruit the final part of the threesome, took a few bars until I got the one. As I have found out from many years of experience, speak to the mammasan and tell her directly what my requirements are. She was very accommodating and brought over 2 luscious young ladies. I spoke to them both for a while and found one to be uninterested, except for the money, kept saying she wanted more as it was not a normal session. The other was more enthusiastic and groped me the whole time, did not complain about my wandering hands either, so on those grounds she got the business.
Party night: Being honest this was the first time I have ever had a threesome that not both sides were paid for. The action started slow but I found that a few glasses of Sang Som all round helped remove any remaining inhibitions felt by our soon to be very close team.
Strangely enough, it started fast after that, my regular opened the computer and got the porn on and semi ignored me quickly getting the BG's kit off. I was more than happy to sit back and watch the two girls warm each other up, the bar girl was more enthusiastic but I could tell that they both where getting into it, long soft wet kisses that soon would need the good Dr's cock in-between them. Eventually I thought ok the time is right, so I announced 'the doctor will see you now' OMG!
The expectations of enjoyment were far exceeded, the feeling and visual sensation of getting a BJ from two girls at the same time was more awesome this time as it was not a paid job from both women, this was the next level up and indeed it was up.
Next thing I tried was doing the bar girl doggy while she was munching carpet (everyone's a winner). Second move was to have one on top while I munched on the other one's carpet myself. Took a short break to have a beer and let them use the dildos on each other (surprising provided by my regular) , then lined both of them up doggy and jumped from one to the other. 'NCSR' No Condom Swopping Required. After several other maneuvers, I could not last any longer and finished as I had started and came as both were giving me a BJ. Can safely say one of the best sex sessions I have ever had, but will not only be doing it again, would thoroughly recommend it to anyone who has not tried it yet.
Next date in the calendar will be the regular, a friend of hers she has talked into it and a BG I met on my second day here, since opening The Salon.
The question is, can the good DR manage 3. Well I do not think so but I am going to give it a bloody good try.
Ciao, BJ
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Thanks Dreams.
The ladies at Snow white look cute, are they still working there?
http://www.snowwhitemassage.com/
Which MPs have currently the prettiest ladies?I am only passing through BKK occasionnally, last time in Jan, next time again in Jan. So let's hope some locals will answer this question. From my limited experience, it is difficult to say that a place has prettier ladies. You will find pretty girls, according to your taste, which may be different form mine, in each place. Maybe the difference is whether you want more hardcore. 3-holers, or more classic prestations. I understad that Tulip is more hard core than the others. But this info may be outdated. BTW all those are not sopaies. For soapies, you may take the easy road to Annies, and email Aey in advance, so you can choose your gilr in advance based on your requirements. She will be ready for you on arrival. See the relevant thread.
She could? But based on the website you referred out of the 8/9 causes there are only 2 that is STD? If you did a small examine on her she would have swelling and pain in the area. I do from my experience that the majority of the smelly pussy are yeast infection but of course one should try to be cover.
But based on your own quote " a Real Man " Hell dig in and get yourself some yogurt! Some bad bacteria is good for you?
LBMOf course one should try and cover? Sorry, I don't do smelly pussy.
Down play it all you want but although a yeast infection is not technically an STD, it can be tranmitted from female to male via sex and is quite unpleasant to get.
If we think we have a non working girl or semi working girl we slip the money in her purse / bag. We do not talk money.
If we have a working girl we talk money. Regardless of country.
Back in the Western World, women have real opportunities for real jobs and real salaries. Not the norm in Thailand. Jobs can be very hard to get in Thailand, hence so many selling it. I'm talking about in general, not about exceptions.
You can not compare Thai womens conditions, opportunities, incomes, with foreign women's. Oranges and Apples. In general Western Women have their own money, hence less selling it normally. In general Thai women are struggling, hence some find the need to sell it, to augment their meagre wages.
You say : "there is so much free pussy here than paid pussy". Thats the case in every country in the world. No reason to not offer to help the relatively poor Thai girls, unless you yourself are poor and trying to stretch out your stay in Thailand? One suspects that is the reason.
You say "if you were back home and picked up some chick would you offer her money the morning after". You and everyone knows we do not offer money, cause they do not need it, they have their own money, in general. Thailand is a different country, you know, LOL. Different country requires different modus operandi.
You say : "Learn to discern". Thats what you have to do, yes.
You are lacking "jai dee", in my opinion, and taking advantage of the sweet charming girls of Thailand, hooker or not. You will never have the kharma of the jai dee foreigners, and I am not talking about sucker foreigners, I am talking about foreigners who understand and are considerate of Thai conditions, so different to our western world. Thailand is superior in some ways, but usually its a struggle in Thailand for the basics, usually.
Perhaps, when you have spent as much time in Thailand as I have you will have a different attitude.
End of subject for me.Everyone's entitled to their opinion of course, but I'll side with Mr. Enternational here. One has to be able to understand when offering money is just an.
Insult. In my younger days, when I was still young and handsome, I meet and bedded many kinds of non-working girls, including at least one working as a doctor.
And probably making more money than I. I'm sure most could agree it would be quite ridiculous for me to attempt to slip 1000B into her purse the next morning.
Also, if western women would be happy to sleep with you for free, because they too enjoy it, it does not make sense to assume one could not find.
The same type of women in Thailand.
Regards, somebody who is not a subscriber to the "all women are working girls" nonsense.
The ladies at Snow white look cute, are they still working there?
http://www.snowwhitemassage.com/This Snow White website is more frequently updated:
http://snowwhitesoi26.com/index.html
Visited Momay on my last trip and it was a worthwhile encounter.
SunLover
Everyone's entitled to their opinion of course, but I'll side with Mr. Enternational here.
Regards, somebody who is not a subscriber to the "all women are working girls" nonsense.Very true but I think we can agree that most of the encounters of an occasional traveler / tourist happen in the P2P environment, this to include also the DH scene you have in HKG or SIN, not strictly WG but happy to shag and get some pocket money. I say this because in general the time factor, the knowledge of the places, venues, the popularity and myth of certain areas will direct most of the to P2P.
Going there one also gets the (wrong) impression the whole city, the whole country is an open air brothel.
Sex might be more easy or feasable than in other countries, maybe by culture too, but one should not expect to approach a nice girl in a miniskirt on the BTS and go to a ST hotel.
With all you guys speaking up for Giotto along with his own defense of himself re The Pros' comments, I'd like to offer a little perspective on the comment above. Giotto, of course, runs a business, and constantly advertises it here in his posts. Sometimes he makes negative comments about his competition, namely other hotels in BKK. Since you want to speak about "facts" in your post, what I have just said are the facts. So I would suggest that his followers who are on his cock might want to consider that when they presume to know another person's motives in a situation like this, how susceptible are they to P4P TGs lines of "I love you too much", and the rest of their white magic? Of course if one is around these type of girls all the time you don't think he is an expert at knowing their ways. So, please, stop being so gullible.PinkPearl.
What the FK? On his cock? White Magic?
I am well aware Giotto runs a business as I was staying with him in the beginning the uprisings a couple of years ago and again recently.
His posted reports have been spot on for what was happening.
His suggesting alternative scheduling for trip timing takes money out of his pocket.
Yet he is more than willing to offer the best advice at risk of his own finances.
Once again: If you know Giotto you understand he is trying to help period.
What are you smoking?
Guido88
LittleBigMan
11-20-11, 07:22
Of course one should try and cover? Sorry, I don't do smelly pussy.
Down play it all you want but although a yeast infection is not technically an STD, it can be tranmitted from female to male via sex and is quite unpleasant to get.In no way am I playing it down! Never had a smelly pussy in all the years I have been in Thailand. But I did at home and she wasn't in the business. Its funny you don't do smelly pussy but you would dig into a smelly butt hole to be a real man. I guess everyone has their choices?
LBM
Karan Singh
11-20-11, 08:23
Hey guys!
I've read a few things about this road. And the very good looking thai girls.
If any body has been here. Please put some light
I would like to visit this place
PinkPearl.
What the FK? On his cock? White Magic?
What are you smoking?
Guido88Or maybe inhalating white magic?
I fully second your comments.
Howmany times did we read Giotto suggesting people to enjoy establishments on Soi 33 or giving hints on other places when he could simply say "stay at the LL sports bar, you get all what you need"
The good trader knows he has to deal with the competition and is not scared or demonize it.
Sukhmuvit has been dry so far and Soi 33 can host whoever.
But wisely Giotto reminds BKK is not only sukhumvit, nana etc.
In no way am I playing it down! Never had a smelly pussy in all the years I have been in Thailand. But I did at home and she wasn't in the business. Its funny you don't do smelly pussy but you would dig into a smelly butt hole to be a real man. I guess everyone has their choices?
LBMYes, I have licked a few girls butts. I am sure you haven't.
I guess it figures because the way you keep following my posts makes me believe you want to lick mine.
Yes, I have licked a few girls butts. I am sure you haven't. I guess it figures because the way you keep following my posts makes me believe you want to lick mine.And, the ass licker of the day award goes to...
And, the ass licker of the day award goes to.What does the trophy look like. :)
Hi BJ here.
I read some time back a post Aey did for Annie's Soapy regarding some comical questions that customers ask so, even having only been running the salon for a short time, thought I would give the readers a giggle and share some of them with you.
Q: How many rooms do you have?
A: Why, do you want to use all of them?
Q: I parked my car at the bottom of the Soi, it is a blue Toyota, have you seen it?
A:?
Q: Which ones are the nurses?
A: The ones wearing the nurse's uniforms.
Q: Which ones are they?
Q: I found this place on the internet, is this a salon or a BJ bar.
A: Blank stare.
Q: Where did you buy those glasses from? (Directed to a Consultant wearing glasses)
A: From the shop that sells glasses.
Q: Can I buy them off you.
A No they are my glasses, I need them.
Q: Your just a B! Tch, customer service here is shit.
Q: who is that guy sitting over there and what is he doing? (pointing at a customer playing with his phone at the bar)
A: Why don't you ask him yourself?
Customer then leaves.
Q: Is this still Bussa bar?
A: Take a wild stab in the dark.
Q: Why did you open a blow job bar in Bangkok, this is terrible, why did you do it, this is so bad.
A: I don't know, why not ask the owners of the other 5 in the area as well why?
Q WOW! What is this place?
A: It is a blow job bar.
Q: OK and what happens here?
A: Blow jobs.
Q: Why?
Customers: Hello, I came yesterday and I looked at this front area here, I have brought my friend with me today and we both want to look around. Can you show me the place.
BJ: Well yes, here is where you stand and choose a lady and here is the bar area where you can sit and have a beer.
Customers: Thank you, I seen this yesterday, I brought my friend because we both knew the owner before and he showed us around upstairs and in the back areas and we want to see it as we guessed you have changed it.
BJ: What lady would you like?
Customers: We are both married and we just came in to look around.
BJ: OK, well maybe you would like a beer / coke or something first.
Customers: No nothing for us, just a view of the other areas including the back.
BJ: Well I am not very comfortable with a non customer being given a guided tour.
Customers: I can see we have out stayed our welcome here, and we will not be back.
BJ: Well if you are a person wanting a guided tour, that is not wanting to buy drinks, or take a lady, why would I show you around private areas reserved for our paying customers and / or staff?
A : This is just not good customer service and we will not be back.
Q: Is the owner here?
A: Yes he is sitting over there (several responses then transpire)
A 1: Why, would you like a BJ from him?
A2: Would you like to talk to him?
Customer: No thank you I might come back later though.
Customer: That can't be the owner, he is not Thai.
Customer: But he doesn't look like the French guy.
Q: I am from the Bangkok post, is the owner here?
A: That's him over there; do you want to talk to him?
A: No thank you (turns around and leaves)
Q: I read on your web site that you will be opening other branches in Kabul and Tehran, can you tell me the locations and proposed opening dates?
A: We are currently awaiting the go ahead from the grand imam's of each country concerned as soon as we have dates I will post them on our web site.
Customer: I am looking forward to it.
The following barrage of questions has happened many times, especially when Aey was taking care of things before I arrived but I have been part of one of these questioning sessions as well now.
Q: What do the ladies earn here? What is your profit margin? What rent do you pay? How much did it cost to renovate? How many customers a day do you get? If I was to open a business like this, how much would I have to pay the MIB?
A: If I answer these questions, will you take 2 ladies?
A2: Are you a competitor, journalist or just a nosy bastard?
(As I have consistently maintained) I am pretty approachable and as you can tell from my responses and website, I have a sense of humor to go with it, so I'm happy to answer any 'sensible' questions, which customers have. Can you imagine if someone walked into Tesco in the U. K or Wal-Mart in the U. S and started asking the same questions!
I am not sure if the reason we seem to get so many comical questions, is it the fact that we are so new? Or that Annie's still gets that many in a short space of time and Aey just does not understand all the questions, no matter how good her English maybe. Nevertheless it makes the day move with a brisker pace. Do not get me started on some of the emails I have been getting.
Regards BJ.
LittleBigMan
11-20-11, 16:11
Yes, I have licked a few girls butts. I am sure you haven't.
I guess it figures because the way you keep following my posts makes me believe you want to lick mine.Oh, I licked my share of women ass and I'm sure you would like me to lick your ass but I don't have any sugar in my tank like you. If you think I am following your post you are wrong its rather I'm following a guy who seems to make a "ASS" out of himself from time to time. As for the trophy you should be proud of yourself you actually won a award on this board that is a accomplishment?
LBM
The latest update is. Effective 1st Nov. 2011, Victoria Massage is for Out Calls only.I always feel very nervous when places start going 'outcall only'. Usually it is because of police pressure, crackdowns, stricter enforcement of rules. The current government is very scary for the hobbyist.
El Frances
11-20-11, 16:22
Went to Soi Cowboy a stone's throw away and hit my usual spot, Baccaras. Now they have a fully nude show even on the ground floor every 90 to 120 mins. The quality of these girls is much better than those on the first floor. Dancer No. 93 caught my eye big-time. I think she's really hot but I guess she doesn't come out unless its closing time since she's one of the 6 nude dancers.
She got a couple of drinks from me and on to the next customer. A mate was paying and so I did not mind. Any inputs on this one? Most girls quoted between 2500 to 3000 but I had other plans. My mate pulled one from the first floor for 2500bht. Seems she was really fun in the sack and up for anything.
Will report more on the escapades on the night and the next one later. Appreciate some info on No. 93.
McMST / LT? It seems to be high for ST and low for LT in Bangkok
What does the trophy look like. :)Well, if you really want to know...
By the way, the FLOODS I told you not to worry about all the time, which were not going to touch the Sukhumvit mongering area. Well. They did not effect the Sukhumvit tourist area and it was never a problem for mongerers.
I hope nobody cancelled their trips due to the rampant scare mongering of others.
Enjoy BKK one and all!
By the way, the FLOODS I told you not to worry about all the time, which were not going to touch the Sukhumvit mongering area. Well. They did not effect the Sukhumvit tourist area and it was never a problem for mongerers.
I hope nobody cancelled their trips due to the rampant scare mongering of others.
Enjoy BKK one and all!Did it eved crossed your mind that some people do not enjoy life when so many peo-le nearby are suffering, even if they are, in their little island, safe? Ah well, that's probably too difficult for you to understand, . Forget it.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion of course, but I'll side with Mr. Enternational here. One has to be able to understand when offering money is just an.
Insult. In my younger days, when I was still young and handsome, I meet and bedded many kinds of non-working girls, including at least one working as a doctor.
And probably making more money than I. I'm sure most could agree it would be quite ridiculous for me to attempt to slip 1000B into her purse the next morning.
Also, if western women would be happy to sleep with you for free, because they too enjoy it, it does not make sense to assume one could not find.
The same type of women in Thailand.
Regards, somebody who is not a subscriber to the "all women are working girls" nonsense.I never said you can not find, I said they are very much the exception. Check my post again.
You say "In my younger days when I was still young and handsome I met and bedded many kinds of non working girls." Same with all of us, eh? How many ISG posters fit into that category. Very much the exception, once again.
I was talking in general terms and used the word 'generally' often, if you read my post.
Yes, there are Thai women with their own money and who would be insulted by an offer of money, but once again they are very much the exception. If we hang out for exceptions we won't get much sex, I am afraid. You think we don't know which women would be insulted by an offer of money and which would not? Why do you think that? I would not slip anything into a womans purse or bag if I thought it would be an insult. Its an insult for you to think we are that dumb that we would.
Said before last post from me on the subject, but temptation was too great, too many errors in your post, but won't bother to respond again if you persist.
Good luck in hanging around Thailand looking for free sex, LOL. If you only need one lay a year, you should do alright, LOL.
Member #4152
11-20-11, 23:14
Is it just me or Nana going down hill? When I went to Nana, all I saw were girls over the hill or girls that use to be boys. Soi Cowboy is aight though. They still got a lot of young, fresh looking girls!
Is it just me or Nana going down hill? When I went to Nana, all I saw were girls over the hill or girls that use to be boys. Soi Cowboy is aight though. They still got a lot of young, fresh looking girls!didn't have this feeling when I was there some 6 weeks ago.
Surely Nana area, also due to the specific bars, has more population of LB's than Soi Cowboy where I have not noticed any.
Both places have the gogo's pretty much similar.
Nana having more FL's hanging around has a larger choice and variety of chicks.
Did it eved crossed your mind that some people do not enjoy life when so many peo-le nearby are suffering, even if they are, in their little island, safe? Ah well, that's probably too difficult for you to understand, . Forget it.Well, in 2010 there was massive flooding in the north and south of Thailand. And yet it never got mentioned on here, and people came and enjoyed their holidays.
Funny how when the floods effect the rest of Thailand nobody cares, but if Bangkok gets a little wet then its such a major problem and must be reported 500 times a day.
Where was your concern in 2010?
Anyone who cancelled their trip made a big mistake, anyone who said Sukhumvit was going to get flooded, made a big mistake.
All I would suggest is you listen to people who really know Thailand more. And people who know very little actually about Thailand a lot less.
ST / LT? It seems to be high for ST and low for LT in BangkokIt was for LT. She was from the first floor. 26 yrs old and had one kid according to my mate. Good body though.
Member #4152
11-21-11, 06:08
Ya. I guess it was me on a wrong night? I guess I just went on a bad night. The place was also full of foreigners.
I never said you can not find, I said they are very much the exception. Check my post again.
You say "In my younger days when I was still young and handsome I met and bedded many kinds of non working girls." Same with all of us, eh? How many ISG posters fit into that category. Very much the exception, once again.
I was talking in general terms and used the word 'generally' often, if you read my post.
Yes, there are Thai women with their own money and who would be insulted by an offer of money, but once again they are very much the exception. If we hang out for exceptions we won't get much sex, I am afraid. You think we don't know which women would be insulted by an offer of money and which would not? Why do you think that? I would not slip anything into a womans purse or bag if I thought it would be an insult. Its an insult for you to think we are that dumb that we would.
Said before last post from me on the subject, but temptation was too great, too many errors in your post, but won't bother to respond again if you persist.
Good luck in hanging around Thailand looking for free sex, LOL. If you only need one lay a year, you should do alright, LOL.I don't know who the "we" you are referring to is. I was only replying to you.
You give the impression of being either Quasimodo's less charming brother or somebody who only visits occasionally. If the latter, then yes, in the environment you probably frequent, women who don't expect money will very likely be the exception. Nothing wrong with that environment, of course. But it's just a one out of many environments.
Crocodilexp
11-21-11, 07:26
I've read a few things about this road (Kamphaeng Phet 7). And the very good looking thai girls. If any body has been here. Please put some light. I would like to visit this place.There isn't much to say, yes you got the right road, it's here: http://g.co/maps/kbwhq. The action is on the stretch between Phet Uthai road and Rachada (Makkasan AL / Phetchaburi MRT are nearby).
It's a Thai-oriented scene, gets going after 10 or 11 pm. Girls are obviously pimped, and they stand off the side of a rather dark road, taking with customers who drive by in cars or taxis. Prices are 1200-1500 for a Farang (and 700-1000 for a Thai according to a taxi driver) for the basic one-shot ST in one of the hotels in the area. Not my cup of tea, seems neither particularly cheap nor friendly / relaxing.
The KP7 streetwalker scene is a bit similar to the scene around Lumphini park. KP7 may have more girls, but Lumphini is better lit and far more pleasant on foot.
Karan Singh
11-21-11, 08:20
There isn't much to say, yes you got the right road, it's here:
http://g.co/maps/kbwhq.
The action is on the stretch between Phet Uthai road and Rachada (Makkasan AL / Phetchaburi MRT are nearby).
It's a Thai-oriented scene, gets going after 10 or 11 pm. Girls are obviously pimped, and they stand off the side of a rather dark road, taking with customers who drive by in cars or taxis. Prices are 1200-1500 for a Farang (and 700-1000 for a Thai according to a taxi driver) for the basic one-shot ST in one of the hotels in the area. Not my cup of tea, seems neither particularly cheap nor friendly / relaxing.
The KP7 streetwalker scene is a bit similar to the scene around Lumphini park. KP7 may have more girls, but Lumphini is better lit and far more pleasant on foot.Thanks a lot for the information!
If you could tell me. Do these girls go for LT!
I always stay nearby. In soi 11. Le fenix!
Well, in 2010 there was massive flooding in the north and south of Thailand. And yet it never got mentioned on here, and people came and enjoyed their holidays.
Funny how when the floods effect the rest of Thailand nobody cares, but if Bangkok gets a little wet then its such a major problem and must be reported 500 times a day.
Where was your concern in 2010?
Anyone who cancelled their trip made a big mistake, anyone who said Sukhumvit was going to get flooded, made a big mistake.
All I would suggest is you listen to people who really know Thailand more. And people who know very little actually about Thailand a lot less.Clearly your answer confirms my point.
Well, in 2010 there was massive flooding in the north and south of Thailand. And yet it never got mentioned on here, and people came and enjoyed their holidays.
Funny how when the floods effect the rest of Thailand nobody cares, but if Bangkok gets a little wet then its such a major problem and must be reported 500 times a day.
Where was your concern in 2010?
Anyone who cancelled their trip made a big mistake, anyone who said Sukhumvit was going to get flooded, made a big mistake.
All I would suggest is you listen to people who really know Thailand more. And people who know very little actually about Thailand a lot less.Are north and south usually as full of tourists (the travelers) as BKK?
Are you going to travel to an area that is in emergency? And adding your needs (food and beverages to say the least) to those of the locals, struggling to get supplies.
In an emergency prices go more through demand, more if there is high demand because of tourist that can affordnto pay the double for these as still 1/10 of their price at home. In need you pay whatever, regardless of what price police says.
And what if sukhumvit got in troubles: dry but surrounded by waters?
Can you imagine the logistic consequences?
Natural catastrophes don't need tourists.
They need help and support and wise mind.
Thinking with big head and not little head.
After Fukushima and its tsunami it was surely safe to go to Osaka, but japan didn't need more people consuming food, drinks, electricity, fuel as there was not enough for the country.
There isn't much to say, yes you got the right road, it's here:
http://g.co/maps/kbwhq.
The action is on the stretch between Phet Uthai road and Rachada (Makkasan AL / Phetchaburi MRT are nearby).
It's a Thai-oriented scene, gets going after 10 or 11 pm. Girls are obviously pimped, and they stand off the side of a rather dark road, taking with customers who drive by in cars or taxis. Prices are 1200-1500 for a Farang (and 700-1000 for a Thai according to a taxi driver) for the basic one-shot ST in one of the hotels in the area. Not my cup of tea, seems neither particularly cheap nor friendly / relaxing.
The KP7 streetwalker scene is a bit similar to the scene around Lumphini park. KP7 may have more girls, but Lumphini is better lit and far more pleasant on foot.Keep in mind that even my Thai friends (who like most Thais care only very little for service) remark that the service in that soi is astoundingly bad. They paid closer to the farang price you quote as well.
Member #4152
11-21-11, 13:37
Well, in 2010 there was massive flooding in the north and south of Thailand. And yet it never got mentioned on here, and people came and enjoyed their holidays.
Funny how when the floods effect the rest of Thailand nobody cares, but if Bangkok gets a little wet then its such a major problem and must be reported 500 times a day.
Where was your concern in 2010?
Anyone who cancelled their trip made a big mistake, anyone who said Sukhumvit was going to get flooded, made a big mistake.
All I would suggest is you listen to people who really know Thailand more. And people who know very little actually about Thailand a lot less.I agree with ya. If Dream is so concerned about people suffering, why monger? I'm sure a lot of these girls are suffering and don't want to sleep with a lot of guys but they have to because of the money. I'm pretty sure they don't want to sleep with someone that's fat, overweight, ugly, foreigner, etc. Yet, that doesn't seem to stop no one from mongering. Next time just BF her, pay her for a long time and let her go home!
Hi BJ here.
Just started reading a book given to me by a friend called 'private dancer' haven't read much yet, but looks like it will be good.
Well the girl I have seen a few times organized another sex session for us last night and I reckon this was probably the best in my entire life.
The other two were friends of the regular but to my delight were much younger and better looking. I decided to start with a few shots of whisky all round, obviously not any of the good stuff I'm not daft. One of the new ones suggested we all have a bath together (luckily I have a large enough bath)
Having all three dry me off got me right in the mood, so I decided to be much more pro-active than last time and swiftly moved the party straight to the bedroom. One of the new ones wasn't keen to try any lesbo stuff, but I thought no problem, there's plenty more to go round so I started her off giving me a BJ while the other two got ripped into each other. Not sure what the bigger turn-on was, her sucking like it was the last knob she was going to get or the other two hammering away for dear life.
Each one sucked me off and I had to tell them to calm down or this wasn't going to last. Doing one of the new ones doggy we managed to incorporate everyone into the mix, snogging the other new one, while the regular got a right royal lick out (bloody unfair how women can orgasm multiple times and we can't)
Next move was to get the other new girl to lean against the window with me behind her, curtains open, not too sure if the screaming was genuine or not but it worked for me. I noticed some lights coming on in the apartments opposite and it made me feel 10 feet tall. I am sure if they were looking they would have seen her tit's being squished against the window, inflating and deflating.
I entertained the new lass, who didn't like lesbo and got the other two to scissor each other, eventually all four of us were writhing together on the bed with arms, legs and pussies everywhere you looked.
I had to have a time out then, I'm not 25 anymore although I try to behave like I am. I connected my laptop up to the 42 inch T. V and put on some seventies porn, the ones with the wah wah music and the terrible story lines. Next I lay down and got each of them to jump on top of me in turn, whilst licking whoever's pussie wasn't busy at the time.
Never been a big fan of arse licking TBH, always better to receive than to dish it out. But I can survive without it. By this time I was starting to get tired so I decided to lick out each of them, while getting a BJ, then finished off by shagging each of them in the straight forward missionary position. I only just managed to get onto the last one and 2 minutes later had an amazing load blow.
What a fantastic night and all three of them seemed contented as well, lucky for them as this was not my mission goal, I'm a firm believer in the 'charity starts at home' doctrine.
Afterwards they were strongly hinting at having a repeat session, definitely will do it again but not for a while, as I said previously, I'm not 25 anymore but sure wish I was.
Ciao, BJ
Hi BJ here.
Just started reading a book given to me by a friend called 'private dancer' haven't read much yet, but looks like it will be good.
Well the girl I have seen a few times organized another sex session for us last night and I reckon this was probably the best in my entire life.
The other two were friends of the regular but to my delight were much younger and better looking. I decided to start with a few shots of whisky all round, obviously not any of the good stuff I'm not daft. One of the new ones suggested we all have a bath together (luckily I have a large enough bath)
Having all three dry me off got me right in the mood, so I decided to be much more pro-active than last time and swiftly moved the party straight to the bedroom. One of the new ones wasn't keen to try any lesbo stuff, but I thought no problem, there's plenty more to go round so I started her off giving me a BJ while the other two got ripped into each other. Not sure what the bigger turn-on was, her sucking like it was the last knob she was going to get or the other two hammering away for dear life.
Each one sucked me off and I had to tell them to calm down or this wasn't going to last. Doing one of the new ones doggy we managed to incorporate everyone into the mix, snogging the other new one, while the regular got a right royal lick out (bloody unfair how women can orgasm multiple times and we can't)
Next move was to get the other new girl to lean against the window with me behind her, curtains open, not too sure if the screaming was genuine or not but it worked for me. I noticed some lights coming on in the apartments opposite and it made me feel 10 feet tall. I am sure if they were looking they would have seen her tit's being squished against the window, inflating and deflating.
I entertained the new lass, who didn't like lesbo and got the other two to scissor each other, eventually all four of us were writhing together on the bed with arms, legs and pussies everywhere you looked.
I had to have a time out then, I'm not 25 anymore although I try to behave like I am. I connected my laptop up to the 42 inch T. V and put on some seventies porn, the ones with the wah wah music and the terrible story lines. Next I lay down and got each of them to jump on top of me in turn, whilst licking whoever's pussie wasn't busy at the time.
Never been a big fan of arse licking TBH, always better to receive than to dish it out. But I can survive without it. By this time I was starting to get tired so I decided to lick out each of them, while getting a BJ, then finished off by shagging each of them in the straight forward missionary position. I only just managed to get onto the last one and 2 minutes later had an amazing load blow.
What a fantastic night and all three of them seemed contented as well, lucky for them as this was not my mission goal, I'm a firm believer in the 'charity starts at home' doctrine.
Afterwards they were strongly hinting at having a repeat session, definitely will do it again but not for a while, as I said previously, I'm not 25 anymore but sure wish I was.
Ciao, BJYou get my vote for post of the year! A few more details as to the connection with all these young ladies and prices paid might be nice, but like I said, post of the year. That is why we live here!
Member #4698
11-21-11, 23:41
If Dream is so concerned about people suffering, why monger? I'm sure a lot of these girls are suffering and don't want to sleep with a lot of guys but they have to because of the money. I'm pretty sure they don't want to sleep with someone that's fat, overweight, ugly, foreigner, etc. Yet, that doesn't seem to stop no one from mongering. Next time just BF her, pay her for a long time and let her go home!Is there something morally wrong with mongering? With P4P? I don't think so! It is a job in a service industry more or less like any other. And furthermore it provides an overall beneficial effect for society. I am sure a lot of waitresses don't like working all day on their feet for tips. I am sure a lot of workers on an assembly line hate their boring repetitive jobs. Only a very few lucky individuals really like what they do. The rest of us just do it to put food on the table, a roof over our heads and take care of our families. It sure would be nice if everybody had a few million dollars in investment grade securities and did not have to work. It sure would be nice if everybody came from loving responsible families. It sure would be nice if life were not a struggle. Utopia!
Now back to the real world. All the girls in the business I have ever met are there on their own free will. I have heard of the slave trade, but to the best of my knowledge, the girls in Bangkok (Pattaya) Go Go's (Farang P4P) are not part of that. I would be really interested if someone on this forum has valid information to refute this. The girls have the right to refuse a customer if they don't like him. It has happened to me a couple of times. They can also choose to fail the interview prompting the customer to pass on them. They could do something else, for less pay. They choose this occupation for one reason or another. And I believe I am helping these girls out by paying them the fair market price for their service and treating them kindly. I appreciate what they do for me. What is wrong with that? Some girls have great attitudes and provide great service and other girls have shitty attitudes and try to short change the customer. Like any other business relationship, it is wrong for one party to try to cheat the other party.
I don't understand the moral rectitude. But, if a punter thinks it is morally wrong then he should definitely not do it. I think that societies that allow prostitution are much better off than societies that try to repress it. The oldest profession as the saying goes.
Member #4152
11-22-11, 01:57
Is there something morally wrong with mongering? With P4P? I don't think so! It is a job in a service industry more or less like any other. And furthermore it provides an overall beneficial effect for society. I am sure a lot of waitresses don't like working all day on their feet for tips. I am sure a lot of workers on an assembly line hate their boring repetitive jobs. Only a very few lucky individuals really like what they do. The rest of us just do it to put food on the table, a roof over our heads and take care of our families. It sure would be nice if everybody had a few million dollars in investment grade securities and did not have to work. It sure would be nice if everybody came from loving responsible families. It sure would be nice if life were not a struggle. Utopia!
Now back to the real world. All the girls in the business I have ever met are there on their own free will. I have heard of the slave trade, but to the best of my knowledge, the girls in Bangkok (Pattaya) Go Go's (Farang P4P) are not part of that. I would be really interested if someone on this forum has valid information to refute this. The girls have the right to refuse a customer if they don't like him. It has happened to me a couple of times. They can also choose to fail the interview prompting the customer to pass on them. They could do something else, for less pay. They choose this occupation for one reason or another. And I believe I am helping these girls out by paying them the fair market price for their service and treating them kindly. I appreciate what they do for me. What is wrong with that? Some girls have great attitudes and provide great service and other girls have shitty attitudes and try to short change the customer. Like any other business relationship, it is wrong for one party to try to cheat the other party.
I don't understand the moral rectitude. But, if a punter thinks it is morally wrong then he should definitely not do it. I think that societies that allow prostitution are much better off than societies that try to repress it. The oldest profession as the saying goes.I ain't saying it's wrong dude."Dream" is the one that doesn't like to monger when people are suffering. But, I'll bet you a million bucks these girls would rather be doing some other profession if they could with the right pay. Don't kid yourself if you think they love their jobs. This is pretty much their best option at the time and if they have an out, they're going to take it!
Is there something morally wrong with mongering? With P4P? I don't think so! It is a job in a service industry more or less like any other. And furthermore it provides an overall beneficial effect for society. I am sure a lot of waitresses don't like working all day on their feet for tips. I am sure a lot of workers on an assembly line hate their boring repetitive jobs. Only a very few lucky individuals really like what they do. The rest of us just do it to put food on the table, a roof over our heads and take care of our families. It sure would be nice if everybody had a few million dollars in investment grade securities and did not have to work. It sure would be nice if everybody came from loving responsible families. It sure would be nice if life were not a struggle. Utopia!
Now back to the real world. All the girls in the business I have ever met are there on their own free will. I have heard of the slave trade, but to the best of my knowledge, the girls in Bangkok (Pattaya) Go Go's (Farang P4P) are not part of that. I would be really interested if someone on this forum has valid information to refute this. The girls have the right to refuse a customer if they don't like him. It has happened to me a couple of times. They can also choose to fail the interview prompting the customer to pass on them. They could do something else, for less pay. They choose this occupation for one reason or another. And I believe I am helping these girls out by paying them the fair market price for their service and treating them kindly. I appreciate what they do for me. What is wrong with that? Some girls have great attitudes and provide great service and other girls have shitty attitudes and try to short change the customer. Like any other business relationship, it is wrong for one party to try to cheat the other party.
I don't understand the moral rectitude. But, if a punter thinks it is morally wrong then he should definitely not do it. I think that societies that allow prostitution are much better off than societies that try to repress it. The oldest profession as the saying goes.This was a really good post. I agree with most of it.
On your question: Is there something morally wrong with P4P? It depends on what a persons morals are. It is like any other judgement, which is usually based on religion. I interact with a lot of Christians. The ones I know are outwardly deadset against P4P. They believe it promotes treating women as less than human, spreads diseases, and is generally bad for society. The US self claims to be a "Christian Nation" which is why wide spread legalization will never happen here.
Funny thing about several of the married Christian guys. They are having affairs. Of course, they don't want to talk about that.
Papae Noel
11-22-11, 03:31
After entering Soi 7/1 from Sukhumvit (Subway on the corner) , where are you relative to Eden? Just past Eden or before? On right side or the left? Thank You
Is there something morally wrong with mongering? With P4P? I don't think so! It is a job in a service industry more or less like any other. And furthermore it provides an overall beneficial effect for society. I am sure a lot of waitresses don't like working all day on their feet for tips. I am sure a lot of workers on an assembly line hate their boring repetitive jobs. Only a very few lucky individuals really like what they do. The rest of us just do it to put food on the table, a roof over our heads and take care of our families. It sure would be nice if everybody had a few million dollars in investment grade securities and did not have to work. It sure would be nice if everybody came from loving responsible families. It sure would be nice if life were not a struggle. Utopia!
Now back to the real world. All the girls in the business I have ever met are there on their own free will. I have heard of the slave trade, but to the best of my knowledge, the girls in Bangkok (Pattaya) Go Go's (Farang P4P) are not part of that. I would be really interested if someone on this forum has valid information to refute this. The girls have the right to refuse a customer if they don't like him. It has happened to me a couple of times. They can also choose to fail the interview prompting the customer to pass on them. They could do something else, for less pay. They choose this occupation for one reason or another. And I believe I am helping these girls out by paying them the fair market price for their service and treating them kindly. I appreciate what they do for me. What is wrong with that? Some girls have great attitudes and provide great service and other girls have shitty attitudes and try to short change the customer. Like any other business relationship, it is wrong for one party to try to cheat the other party.
I don't understand the moral rectitude. But, if a punter thinks it is morally wrong then he should definitely not do it. I think that societies that allow prostitution are much better off than societies that try to repress it. The oldest profession as the saying goes.Natty.
Very well put.
Always amazes me when mongers express guilt or the feeling they are doing something wrong.
Doubt is a great example of negative religious training or the mind fuck of the dreaded Western Fem Nazi influence that creates guilt for basic human needs.
Males are born to spread seed. It's in our genes / jeans and I for one cherish this opportunity.
P4P is a simply exchange of services / cash that dates back to the beginning of mankind. Both participants benefit. With respect, humor and basic human consideration it's a win win for both parties.
After 40 years of P4P I have had a high percentage of positive experiences. I think that it has a lot to do with how one approaches the sessions.
I started mongering at age 14 and plan to continue as long as possible.
IMHO I am doing nothing wrong.
I have difficulty understanding the guilt referenced on these boards.
Walk of shame?
Shit- Walk of pride, my old ass is getting some prime tonight.
Guido88
Natty.
Very well put.
Always amazes me when mongers express guilt or the feeling they are doing something wrong.
Doubt is a great example of negative religious training or the mind fuck of the dreaded Western Fem Nazi influence that creates guilt for basic human needs.
Males are born to spread seed. It's in our genes / jeans and I for one cherish this opportunity.
P4P is a simply exchange of services / cash that dates back to the beginning of mankind. Both participants benefit. With respect, humor and basic human consideration it's a win win for both parties.
After 40 years of P4P I have had a high percentage of positive experiences. I think that it has a lot to do with how one approaches the sessions.
I started mongering at age 14 and plan to continue as long as possible.
IMHO I am doing nothing wrong.
I have difficulty understanding the guilt referenced on these boards.
Walk of shame?
Shit- Walk of pride, my old ass is getting some prime tonight.
Guido88Good one.
I have never understood the "walk of shame". I always walk by with a big smile on my face. I am happy and proud of the fact that I will be getting some pussy!
After entering Soi 7/1 from Sukhumvit (Subway on the corner) , where are you relative to Eden? Just past Eden or before? On right side or the left? Thank YouHi BJ here.
We are just passed eden on the right hand side as you walk down from Nana BTS.
Good one.
I have never understood the "walk of shame". I always walk by with a big smile on my face. I am happy and proud of the fact that I will be getting some pussy!Are you sure the "pussy" is not getting you? ;)
Certainly one of the fantasies to be put on the checklist. A price for the experience would be great, and the source of the girls. Getting 3 girls is not hard, getting them to play together is the hard part.
Hi BJ here.
Just started reading a book given to me by a friend called 'private dancer' haven't read much yet, but looks like it will be good.
Well the girl I have seen a few times organized another sex session for us last night and I reckon this was probably the best in my entire life.
The other two were friends of the regular but to my delight were much younger and better looking. I decided to start with a few shots of whisky all round, obviously not any of the good stuff I'm not daft. One of the new ones suggested we all have a bath together (luckily I have a large enough bath)
Having all three dry me off got me right in the mood, so I decided to be much more pro-active than last time and swiftly moved the party straight to the bedroom. One of the new ones wasn't keen to try any lesbo stuff, but I thought no problem, there's plenty more to go round so I started her off giving me a BJ while the other two got ripped into each other. Not sure what the bigger turn-on was, her sucking like it was the last knob she was going to get or the other two hammering away for dear life.
Each one sucked me off and I had to tell them to calm down or this wasn't going to last. Doing one of the new ones doggy we managed to incorporate everyone into the mix, snogging the other new one, while the regular got a right royal lick out (bloody unfair how women can orgasm multiple times and we can't)
Next move was to get the other new girl to lean against the window with me behind her, curtains open, not too sure if the screaming was genuine or not but it worked for me. I noticed some lights coming on in the apartments opposite and it made me feel 10 feet tall. I am sure if they were looking they would have seen her tit's being squished against the window, inflating and deflating.
I entertained the new lass, who didn't like lesbo and got the other two to scissor each other, eventually all four of us were writhing together on the bed with arms, legs and pussies everywhere you looked.
I had to have a time out then, I'm not 25 anymore although I try to behave like I am. I connected my laptop up to the 42 inch T. V and put on some seventies porn, the ones with the wah wah music and the terrible story lines. Next I lay down and got each of them to jump on top of me in turn, whilst licking whoever's pussie wasn't busy at the time.
Never been a big fan of arse licking TBH, always better to receive than to dish it out. But I can survive without it. By this time I was starting to get tired so I decided to lick out each of them, while getting a BJ, then finished off by shagging each of them in the straight forward missionary position. I only just managed to get onto the last one and 2 minutes later had an amazing load blow.
What a fantastic night and all three of them seemed contented as well, lucky for them as this was not my mission goal, I'm a firm believer in the 'charity starts at home' doctrine.
Afterwards they were strongly hinting at having a repeat session, definitely will do it again but not for a while, as I said previously, I'm not 25 anymore but sure wish I was.
Ciao, BJ
You get my vote for post of the year! A few more details as to the connection with all these young ladies and prices paid might be nice, but like I said, post of the year. That is why we live here!The connection with the young ladies was, firends of the semi perm GF. No money paid by me, the perm fixture may have, did'nt ask TBH. I provided the room, porn, whisky, air con and cock. For the original threesome last week, Spanky's was the go-go bar where I found my choice for the BG. Cost B2500 and she left just after breakfast. I don't mind paying the extra B300. B500 for better looks and she was one of the better looking ones.
I ain't saying it's wrong dude."Dream" is the one that doesn't like to monger when people are suffering. But, I'll bet you a million bucks these girls would rather be doing some other profession if they could with the right pay. Don't kid yourself if you think they love their jobs. This is pretty much their best option at the time and if they have an out, they're going to take it!I totally agree with Natty.
I only said that when there are major problems around, and a lot of ordinary people, nor specifically WGs, having major problems to survive, I find it difficult to enjoy my mongering. And orefer waiting for better timnes to come back. That has nothing to do with "morality" of mongering, a discussion that should be taken to the relvant specific thread.
End of discussion?
Kumar Arun
11-22-11, 10:23
Hi BJ here.
Afterwards they were strongly hinting at having a repeat session, definitely will do it again but not for a while, as I said previously, I'm not 25 anymore but sure wish I was.
Ciao, BJDr. BJ. I think since many a dick long years I'm reading such an elaborate report in BKK section. Kudos. Script looked good for a Vivid video. Enjoyed it immensely.
Planning to visit your salon during my next visit to LOS and hope to find such girls there.)
AK
I'm sure a lot of these girls are suffering and don't want to sleep with a lot of guys but they have to because of the money.Most of the girls do support thier families, however this might cost 5-10, 000 baht tops. I knew a girl who could not wash and dry her own hair. 300 baht a pop almost everyday, not to mention her nails. These girls will waste just as much money as they make.
I ain't saying it's wrong dude."Dream" is the one that doesn't like to monger when people are suffering. But, I'll bet you a million bucks these girls would rather be doing some other profession if they could with the right pay. Don't kid yourself if you think they love their jobs. This is pretty much their best option at the time and if they have an out, they're going to take it!I don't want to make any blanket statements. There are some gems out there, there are some horrors, there are some girls that absolutely HATE what they are doing and don't belong in the trade, and there are others who appear to enjoy it. However, it is my experience that a very large number of girls, even given the option to join 70-80% of the rest of the society and get an office job or be helped out to do that by a farang, would not. One of my regulars, who has a 50, 000 baht a month sponsor, asked me how she could live if a farang only gave her 10, 000 a month. I told her 10, 000, plus your rent and food is free, he takes care of the bills, and you then stop in the bar and go to a cheap uni like Ramkamhaeng, get a basic degree that allows you to get a 12-15, 000 baht a month salary. When you add that all up, for a girl from her background, that is damn damn good. Yet I'd venture that 70-80% of them wouldn't take it. It is far easier to remain in the trade, make extremely large salaries by Thai standards per month, and sleep all day. I have had several women over the years who have gone for the former, only to drop out at some point because they would far rather take the easy way out. You don't see the office ladies earning 15, 000, who have no sponsor and work their tails off every day complaining about life and being bitter. They get on with it, smile, and make the best they can. I see girls here preying on western guilt day in and day out, and they are the masters of working it.
I agree with most of what you say. The only point I might discuss is that the US claims to be "christian nation". Those that claim that usually are from the religious right. Most of the US does not belong to that right wing group. They claim that the US was founded as a "christian nation". Well, not exactly. The US came about because of business, the Massachuetts Bay company being one if the first. The pilgrams came to escape religious persecution and were very intollerant of other groups or there specific theology. Thus the founding of Rhode Island as a state. Today they are more of a hate group. By that I mean they don't want immigration, hate gays, don't want jews or other groups around. (See Mormons) believe gambling is a sin, and heaven forbid drinking a beer. Now they will tell you they don't hate but just watch what they back and what they do, not what they say.
We had a joke about the Southern Baptist. There are only 2 times they will have a drink. When they are alone or with someone. Not to pick on one religious group over another.
I believe this will pass but you and I won't be around to see it. Europe eventually changed to allowing different forms of prostition. The US is not any where near the age of the Europeans cultures. Now will it be open, tolerated, and accepted as other parts of the world, I doubt it.
This is only my opinion. With it and $2. 00 I can get a cup of coffee somewhere. So lets get back to BKK and the many pleasures it offers
I don't want to make any blanket statements. There are some gems out there, there are some horrors, there are some girls that absolutely HATE what they are doing and don't belong in the trade, and there are others who appear to enjoy it. However, it is my experience that a very large number of girls, even given the option to join 70-80% of the rest of the society and get an office job or be helped out to do that by a farang, would not. One of my regulars, who has a 50, 000 baht a month sponsor, asked me how she could live if a farang only gave her 10, 000 a month. I told her 10, 000, plus your rent and food is free, he takes care of the bills, and you then stop in the bar and go to a cheap uni like Ramkamhaeng, get a basic degree that allows you to get a 12-15, 000 baht a month salary. When you add that all up, for a girl from her background, that is damn damn good. Yet I'd venture that 70-80% of them wouldn't take it. It is far easier to remain in the trade, make extremely large salaries by Thai standards per month, and sleep all day. I have had several women over the years who have gone for the former, only to drop out at some point because they would far rather take the easy way out. You don't see the office ladies earning 15, 000, who have no sponsor and work their tails off every day complaining about life and being bitter. They get on with it, smile, and make the best they can. I see girls here preying on western guilt day in and day out, and they are the masters of working it.Well stated. It is the easy way out. No doubt about it. There are lots of girls from poor families that work their way through Uni and get jobs making 12-15k and do ok.
(snip) I see girls here preying on western guilt day in and day out, and they are the masters of working it.Great, and so true!
And, as P. T. Barnum once said, "there is a sucker born every minute."
I knew a girl who could not wash and dry her own hair. 300 baht a pop almost everyday, not to mention her nails. These girls will waste just as much money as they make.Just the psychological reward for allowing fat, old, foreign men to bore them, grope them, and stick their dicks in various orifices!
Just the psychological reward for allowing fat, old, foreign men to bore them, grope them, and stick their dicks in various orifices!Very well put sir! And in my humble opinion is both the psychological reward and also the physical satisfaction that someone else is doing things with parts of her body that she enjoys!
I'm quite familiar with Bangkok scene cause my company sends me to BKK 4-5 times a year. Next trip I'll have 2 spare days and have an idea to go to Pattaya. Is this worth to go there for 2 days instead have fun in BKK? Thanks in advice!
Cheers.
T. 72
Member #4698
11-23-11, 05:17
I'm quite familiar with Bangkok scene cause my company sends me to BKK 4-5 times a year. Next trip I'll have 2 spare days and have an idea to go to Pattaya. Is this worth to go there for 2 days instead have fun in BKK? Thanks in advice! T. 72T, If you like the Bangkok scene and have never been to Pattaya, then you must go. Personally, I prefer Bangkok because of the variety of high quality massage parlors and because I like the big city and all it can offer over the resort town with a polluted beach. But many others prefer Pattaya. I would estimate it is probably a 55 to 45 preference in favor of Pattaya on the forum. Pattaya is definitely ground zero for Thai pussy and there is no place on Earth I know of with a higher concentration of bars, Go Go's and girls per square block. In 2002 I was like sort of like you. I had been to Bangkok 5 or 6 times and dug it, but had never been to Pattaya. While I was visiting Bangkok, I called up a freind of mine who lived and worked in Pat at the time just to say hello. He insisted I come down and spend a few days. I did and the town blew me away. Go, see for yourself. 2 days will leave you wanting more.
I'm quite familiar with Bangkok scene cause my company sends me to BKK 4-5 times a year. Next trip I'll have 2 spare days and have an idea to go to Pattaya. Is this worth to go there for 2 days instead have fun in BKK? Thanks in advice!
Cheers.
T. 72My (very personal of course) opinion is that Pattaya is not worthing a visit. I live in Bangkok I've visited Pattaya once out of curiosity and I'll never go back. Main 3 reasons:
1. And let my say first that I am very sorry that I'll offend some readers with the first point: The extremely low quality and disgusting behaviour of mongers. I haven't see a single mognering place with worst patrons. The average monger is a drunk, ugly, fat, dissgusting person looking for cheap pussy. Most of them are people that I bet they have no chance of getting laid back to their countries (and maybe lot of them not even getting laid with a prostitute). There are exceptions of course but the everage is bad, very bad. And yes these kind pf mongers are present in Bangkok also but in much less numbers.
2. No additional services or options in comparison to Bangkok.
3. Quality of girls is (again in my humble opinion) lower than Bangkok.
So my suggestion is: If you have a good time in Bangkok, you'll find nothing more in Pattaya so play safe and stay in Bangok.
Crazy4Thai
11-23-11, 11:10
T, . I did and the town blew me away. Go, see for yourself. 2 days will leave you wanting more.Amen to that!
I think it depends on how you define the scene, you might love it or hate it, there are parts that I do not particularly like. BUT there is no other place quite like it on earth that I am aware of and overall I prefer it to Bangkok by a slim margin. Do not believe everything you read about lack of quality. I think one has to search a bit harder for quality in either city these days. But it is there. If you do like it 2 days will leave you panting.
C4T
Papae Noel
11-23-11, 12:02
Hi BJ here.
We are just passed eden on the right hand side as you walk down from Nana BTS.Sounds like you got a pretty ideal spot, if you are in the place that used to be Magic Table. French guy ran it, and it was pretty good place to hang out, have some fun, whatever.
El Frances
11-23-11, 18:16
My (very personal of course) opinion is that Pattaya is not worthing a visit. I live in Bangkok I've visited Pattaya once out of curiosity and I'll never go back. Main 3 reasons:
1. And let my say first that I am very sorry that I'll offend some readers with the first point: The extremely low quality and disgusting behaviour of mongers. I haven't see a single mognering place with worst patrons. The average monger is a drunk, ugly, fat, dissgusting person looking for cheap pussy. Most of them are people that I bet they have no chance of getting laid back to their countries (and maybe lot of them not even getting laid with a prostitute). There are exceptions of course but the everage is bad, very bad. And yes these kind pf mongers are present in Bangkok also but in much less numbers.
2. No additional services or options in comparison to Bangkok.
3. Quality of girls is (again in my humble opinion) lower than Bangkok.
So my suggestion is: If you have a good time in Bangkok, you'll find nothing more in Pattaya so play safe and stay in Bangok.1 I totally agree with you. The advantage: there are so many creeps (I'm less polite than you) that girls are so happy to meet smart guys. I found it very easy to get girls to prefer me in Pattaya.
2- No additional, but cheaper + the more relaxed atmosphere (I don't feel relaxed in BKK with all the noise, pollution, traffic, etc.)
3- I don't agree. I found more quality for acceptable price (of course if you are ready to pay 5000+ you have much more options in BKK.
Mr Enternational
11-23-11, 21:58
I'm quite familiar with Bangkok scene cause my company sends me to BKK 4-5 times a year. Next trip I'll have 2 spare days and have an idea to go to Pattaya. Is this worth to go there for 2 days instead have fun in BKK?You have to remember there are different strokes for different folks. It looks like you are going to get a different answer from every monger. The only way to put the issue to rest is to visit yourself. My first time me and a wingman went for only 1 day. I actually went to meet a girl I met on TLL. She took me out and everything but I still didn't get the magnanimity of the scene until I went back again without the prearranged female company. I haven't looked back since and only go to BKK if I have some business to handle there or if there are friends whose first time it is in Thailand and I have to show them around.
A friend of a friend who lives between Angeles City and Pattaya arrived yesterday. He has been living in AC for quite a while but is trying Pattaya out for a few months. He had been to BKK before. You will see many guys trying to compare AC with Pattaya. In his opinion the two shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence. After only one day he could not understand why someone would choose AC over Pattaya. Most guys will say it's a language thing. But I haven't met too many women who work in the service industry in Pattaya that didn't speak some kind of English.
Like you said Mr. E, different strokes.
I feel that BKK is head and shoulders better than these places for:
Transportation.
Food.
Hotels.
Quantity of girls.
Selection of places to go.
Quality of people.
Prices.
Stunners.
I don't feel it is even close.
But, to me if you are a true monger though, you need to go to Pats at least once for a few days. I like it and always have a good time there. To see Soi 6 and WS is worth the trip.
Hi BJ here.
I would like to recommend a book, sure it has been done before but I would like to give it a bump. I started reading it last week. It is called 'private dancer 'and records the experiences of an English guy sent to Bangkok to revise a travel guide.
Unfortunately he falls in love with a bar girl from Nana plaza, very quickly, and I'm sure trouble lies ahead for the poor guy. Essential reading for anyone's friend who may be visiting for the first time. It will give them a flavor of the pitfalls and mistakes made by first timers and hopefully a head start on avoiding some of them.
I went out the other day with my other business partner, not Aey, to some very nice places around the city. The first place we went to was the Landmark hotel in Suk for a buffet dinner. You pay individually, at the end, for your food and also your drinks. Not really that expensive when you consider the choice of food and booze available. The buffet was not huge but big for the money spent, there were individual tables dedicated to each type of food. A seafood, a Thai, a European and a few others, finally at the top they had a carvery with all the usual stuff.
The quality of the food was very very impressive but not the best. The array of drinks was as large and varied as the choice of food was, as soon as you sit down you can order almost whatever drink you can imagine from beer right through the spectrum to cocktails and everything in between. As tempting as it would appear we, there was four of us, were quite restrained on the drinks side. Don't get me wrong we had our fair share, but we had other places in mind for later in the night.
After the landmark we decided to go to Tawandaeng on rama 4 road (the place where they brew their own beer on the premises) It's a very nice place and the beer is highly recommended, they bring it round in these large cylindrical tubes. After a few ales we ordered some snacks, nothing too heavy, as it was only a few hours after we had eaten. Some deep fried pork knuckle and some excellent German sausages. They have a stage show as well, in Thai, which looked well choreographed but embarrassingly, my Thai is not what it should be, so didn't understand much. The sort of place which would be good to take a girl or a business associate to see something different to the Suk area.
After some debate we concluded the evening with a visit to the state tower for a few late night cocktails. A bit pricey for the drinks but the view is stunning, can't remember how many floors there are but it's a lot. After a few drinks we all felt a bit pissed, so jumped in a taxi and called it a night, or so I thought!
I found myself being earnestly drawn towards Soi Cowboy as it was only half twelve. I went into a couple of bars and wound up in long gun. I had a red bull before going in to pep myself up a bit then sat back and enjoyed the shows.
Trying to convince myself I was only there for the beer and the shows, all my determination evaporated when I saw this tiny little bird on the left side of the dance stage. She was about 5 feet tall with a long dyed bob hairstyle stunning natural boobs and a body fitting with the rest of her.
Before I knew it the bar fine was paid and I was in a taxi with her on my way home. We showered together and it was then she told me she was nineteen YES (looked much younger, as they do) I felt comfortable talking on the bed for a bit, rather than just jumping on her. After we got started I decided I had to lick her out and it tasted like honey on toast, very well presented pussy it was too. Asides from the usual stuff the BJ didn't start off well (being nineteen I thought as much) but she responded well to my prompts and soon had the soldier on parade.
I started off with her on top and my god she was as tight as a mouse's ear, I thought I was going to need a shoe horn to get it in. The grimacing on her face and the moaning and groaning served to turn me on even more and those firm young tits were an absolute delight.
After a quick spell doing doggy I turned her over and smashed her to bits, what a fantastic cum. I gave her a 500BT tip on top of the 2000 price, trust me she had earned it and I went to bed with a huge grin. Great day it has to be said.
Ciao, BJ
I want to sample the Freelancer scene, especially near soi cowboy area.
Any suggestions which area I should go to, around what time and expected cost of st / LT?
Also are there any online options worth trying?
Uncle Volodya
11-24-11, 20:04
walk of shame?
Shit- walk of pride, my old ass is getting some prime tonight.
Guido88lol. Very well put indeed!
Super Cum 500
11-25-11, 05:35
I was reading an article about AIDS / HIV and it stated that there are far more THai hookers that work in prostitution for only Thai men.
I assumed that most Thai girls work as hookers to make most money from ferang?
What hookers woudl chose to go with only Thais?
DO you think perhaps the article refers to the whole of Thailadn and rural places. Therefore in all the small citites aroudn Thailand there are many Thai only hookers?
Whereas in Bangkok and PAttaya most hookers go with farangs?
MOre money is to be made if they get job as prostiute in BKK / Pattaya with farangs?
AussieDoug
11-25-11, 09:59
I was reading an article about AIDS / HIV and it stated that there are far more THai hookers that work in prostitution for only Thai men.
I assumed that most Thai girls work as hookers to make most money from ferang?
What hookers woudl chose to go with only Thais?
DO you think perhaps the article refers to the whole of Thailadn and rural places. Therefore in all the small citites aroudn Thailand there are many Thai only hookers?
Whereas in Bangkok and PAttaya most hookers go with farangs?
MOre money is to be made if they get job as prostiute in BKK / Pattaya with farangs?There are 80 million thai people in Thailand and about 7 million visitors any one year, all the girls would starve if they only banged foreigners. The thai men are more horny and pay way less than us, so a bit more volume makes the money add up quicker. Plus there would be lots of thai women who speak anything but thai, so how to do.
There are 80 million thai people in Thailand and about 7 million visitors any one year, all the girls would starve if they only banged foreigners. The thai men are more horny and pay way less than us, so a bit more volume makes the money add up quicker. Plus there would be lots of thai women who speak anything but thai, so how to do.To keep everyone on the right page, I did a quick fact check.
The current population of Thailand is 66,720,153 (July 2011 est.).
Source: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/th.html
According to the Tourism Authority of Thailand, there were 14.5 million visitors in 2007.
Source: http://www2.tat.or.th/stat/web/static_index.php
"According to reliable surveys of sexual behavior, every day at least 450,000 Thai men visit prostitutes. Thus, much of the impetus sustaining the incredible rate of prostitution in Thailand is cultural, "Thai men think it is their right to have cheap sex, and there are enough poor Thai women to make it possible."
Source: http://www.sexwork.com/Thailand/traditiions.html
The above citation is from an older article (1991), but still interesting:
http://www.nytimes.com/1991/07/14/magazine/a-plague-awaits.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
And, an interesting summary article from Stickman:
http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/reader/reader291.html
hi bj here.
had a much needed day off and after sleeping as late as possible decided to get up around 11 o'clock. wasn't sure what to do with my time so went for a wander around sukhumvit, got bored with that pretty quickly so jumped on the bts and went up to siam paragon.
went for something to eat but fancied a change from thai food so ended up in an italian restaurant. after having a very good laugh at the price of the red wine (1, 800 bt for a bottle) i chose spaghetti carbonara which i have to say was very nice indeed.
thought a movie would be a good idea, so i went to see the tower heist. definitely not a great movie but had a good cast and sufficed for some light hearted entertainment.
felt a bit knackered after that so went home for a bit of a kip which was just what the doctor ordered, excuse the pun. met up with the semi regular bird about ten ish and asked her to decide on where to go. ended up at some open air joint where they bring round this large metal cooking pot with a domed lid on it and water round the edge. it's a buffet arrangement (although she kept referring to it as a bbq, i can kind of see where she is coming from) well you cook the food yourself and i thought this is going to take a while so ordered up 2 beers and was pleasantly surprised when the waitress brought out 2 large bottles. the semi regular took care of the cooking part so i concentrated on the beer drinking part, she peeled the prawns and all that kind of shit and i just sat back and ate. i am still amazed at thai people's capacity to eat, way after i was full she just kept putting the stuff away and we were the last people to leave the place.
on the way home, we stopped into a pool bar for a couple of games and a couple of drinks, then headed off. when we jumped into bed and started the usual grope fest followed by the mandatory bj (have to give it to her she is a bit of a maestro on the skin flute) she started telling me she had read a magazine which said that farangs are partial to a bit of anal, bingo! now although i do like it to be honest i'm not one that sees it as a compulsory part of sex, can take it or leave it if the truth be told, but had never tried it with her. i'm not sure if our recent group sessions or the alcohol she had consumed had made her feel a bit more liberated, but i wasn't about to start questioning her motivation. i slipped a condom on and bent her legs up close to her ears. i did show enough respect to ease it in gradually via some ky jelly and when she was eventually loosened up started slamming away. she did seem to enjoy it eventually, lucky for her, so i turned her over onto all fours and carried on, i was considerate enough to give her a reach-around. not pointing out the obvious but it was a lot tighter than her pussy, which is part of the fun and did have a nice jolting cum. was pretty tired by that point so after going into the shower jumped into bed and crashed out.
time very well spent for a day off i think.
ciao, bj
Checking in from E. Europe and the Middle East here. This place is a monger's dream then? I should go? Russia has been my favorite so far. Cheap, easy and great service.
Guys, a friend is now in BKK and is gettiing some heavy news. He says all the girls in Nana are wanting 600 BF and 4000 for LT. He says they are sticking to that and you pay the bar the whole amount before you leave. Knowing we not in AC I believe this is new operation or is he hiting the wrong places. He did get one down to 3000. Don't know if he paid the whole thing up front. I do know he has been going to the Rainbow bars in Nana. Some Aussie told him the same pricing in Soi Cowboy. He also mentioned a FL for 2 hours he found for 1000 Baht.
I told him 3000 for LT should be the top end and 1500 to 2500 for ST depending on the girl.
I should add he is of Chinese decent although he was US born and raised. Wondering if that look might have something to do with it : Thinking he might be one of the Japanese and should spend big bucks.
Any help on this subject that is current will help. I have told him to go other places and named a few for him to look at.
Guys, a friend is now in BKK and is gettiing some heavy news.I was in both Nana and soi cowboy some 6-8 weeks ago on a discovery mission hitting a lot of gogo.
In all of them the mama San was showing the customers a printed card on the back of their bar I'd card reading exactly what you say: bar fine 600. ST 2000, LT 4000.
Casual or non informed mongers might go for that as the price is good by western standards.
But we know it is inflated, especially if it is a hit or miss. I paid 4k for a non gogo bar girl I knew and I knew what I was gettijg. Not FIR a blind jump as such.
Also better book for ST. And tell her you extend to' LT if she does her job well.
Well the final countdown has begun. Beijing far behind in the dust I wait with anticipation. 7 days. I have been watching the board and it is getting much better. But seems to be still a lot of debates here. I had some great times in Beijing and Tianjin and more fun reporting on here. So how about stopping the needless debates about BKK or Pattaya or you pay too much! Lets here so quality reports! Here is my dilemma. Where should I go first to break my cherry in BKK, Soi Cowboy, Nana, can anyone give me a suggestion? I love the bar scene and the pleasure of the hunt! I frequented Maggies, Chocolate, Zhu in Beijing all the time plus others in Tianjin. Thrill of the hunt is the best! Can anyone recommend a place similar to Maggies in BKK? I am also very open to meeting up with a fellow member for a night out! Pm me if interested. But be warned it could get ugly! Drunken threesomes 2 girls on one are my specialty. So be prepared for a 2 guy 4 girl all out orgy maybe LOL!
Member #4698
11-25-11, 19:18
I was in both Nana and soi cowboy some 6-8 weeks ago on a discovery mission hitting a lot of gogo.
In all of them the mama San was showing the customers a printed card on the back of their bar I'd card reading exactly what you say: bar fine 600. ST 2000, LT 4000.
But we know it is inflated, especially if it is a hit or miss.Wow! I take this new LT Go Go price as an insult. If a girl quotes me this rate, I intend to laugh right in her face (in a casual easy way of course). It is not that I can't afford it, but this is truly outrageous. Most of the Go Go girls are just not worth it IMHO. Last February, I spotted only a few stunners in Baccara way down from the number I saw in 2010 and paying up front almost insures mediocre performance. If they don't respect me, I don't see why I should do business with them. Fuck it. There is no economic justification for it. Inflation? Short Supply? NO! Don't these people know the world (including Thailand) is on the precipace of economic recession. What are the numbers on Thai tourism? Not up. Bangkok hotels are offering really good deals again. So it just looks like greed and a little stupidity combined with a lack of respect for the farang that is driving these price hikes. If this is the new reality, I will take my business to the massage parlors exclusively and do more outcalls. I may end up spending more money, but the girls will be better. I go for quality. Still I can't quite believe it. They may start out asking for 4000bt LT, but I think they will come down off that if you act like you know what you are doing and are prepared to leave them in the dust. Maybe not. I will find out it Feb. Good advice B Man:
better book for ST. And tell her you extend to' LT if she does her job well.
Member #4698
11-25-11, 19:30
Here is my dilemma. Where should I go first to break my cherry in BKK, Soi Cowboy, Nana, can anyone give me a suggestion? I love the bar scene and the pleasure of the hunt!I like the bar scene too Mooris, but the massage parlors are better IMHO (I have used this expression twice in my two last posts). But don't take my word for it. My advice to you is hit Baccara & Rainbow IV (arguably the best Go Go's in town) on your first two nights. You will have a good time and be thoroughly ensconced in the BKK Go Go scene. Then check out Mango Massage, Baccara (expensive – but top talent) and Copa Cabana and see which venues you prefer - Go Go, Oily, or Soapy. To get you pointed in the right direction, take a look here: http://www.thaimassagemodel.com/home/home.php?
The great thing about BKK is all the different options available and the great food.
I assumed that most Thai girls work as hookers to make most money from ferang?
What hookers woudl chose to go with only Thais?
DO you think perhaps the article refers to the whole of Thailadn and rural places. Therefore in all the small citites aroudn Thailand there are many Thai only hookers?
Whereas in Bangkok and PAttaya most hookers go with farangs?
MOre money is to be made if they get job as prostiute in BKK / Pattaya with farangs?Actually SC500, your assumption is wrong - the Thais generally pay about the same amount as farang, particularly when you take into account time spent. Even the lower-end of the Thai business, at about 500 baht per session, isn't bad money as the session is typically 20 minutes long. And most middle class Thai men pay big money (typically 1000-3000 baht) as they want very beautiful girls. White skin, womanly figure. In general the Thais would not touch the women who go into the farang oriented business as they are seen as unattractive (dark skin, Isaan features, angular boyish assless build) , and / or unappealing (crass, abrasive). Think of it this way - all the 'best' service providers go for Thai customers, as Thais in general despise farang, but those women who would not be easily salable in the Thai market due to unattractiveness can go and make roughly the same money in the farang market. Some drawbacks most of them mention, aside from their general dislike of farang, are that the farang 'take too long', are often into kinky sex, and mostly refuse to use condoms unlike Thai men, who rigorously practice 'safe sex' with prostitutes.
Super Cum 500
11-25-11, 22:06
Actually SC500, your assumption is wrong - the Thais generally pay about the same amount as farang, particularly when you take into account time spent. Even the lower-end of the Thai business, at about 500 baht per session, isn't bad money as the session is typically 20 minutes long. And most middle class Thai men pay big money (typically 1000-3000 baht) as they want very beautiful girls. White skin, womanly figure. In general the Thais would not touch the women who go into the farang oriented business as they are seen as unattractive (dark skin, Isaan features, angular boyish assless build) , and / or unappealing (crass, abrasive). Think of it this way - all the 'best' service providers go for Thai customers, as Thais in general despise farang, but those women who would not be easily salable in the Thai market due to unattractiveness can go and make roughly the same money in the farang market. Some drawbacks most of them mention, aside from their general dislike of farang, are that the farang 'take too long', are often into kinky sex, and mostly refuse to use condoms unlike Thai men, who rigorously practice 'safe sex' with prostitutes.Interesting. I thought it was more common for Thai men not to use condoms?
So, how would a farang go about finding lighter skinned more attractive Thai girls? He can't? These girls work in establishments that only Thai men can use?
So, the girls that work in BKK and Pattaya that service Farang men are in general quite ugly? Or only ugly to Thais as skin is dark? Or they are just generally more ugly. If a girl is attractive and in Bangkok or Pattaya shell be working in Thai sex industry?
What about attractive girls that decide to work in the Farang industry? There are some? Why would they chose this option?
Actually SC500, your assumption is wrong - the Thais generally pay about the same amount as farang, particularly when you take into account time spent. Even the lower-end of the Thai business, at about 500 baht per session, isn't bad money as the session is typically 20 minutes long. And most middle class Thai men pay big money (typically 1000-3000 baht) as they want very beautiful girls. White skin, womanly figure. In general the Thais would not touch the women who go into the farang oriented business as they are seen as unattractive (dark skin, Isaan features, angular boyish assless build) , and / or unappealing (crass, abrasive). Think of it this way - all the 'best' service providers go for Thai customers, as Thais in general despise farang, but those women who would not be easily salable in the Thai market due to unattractiveness can go and make roughly the same money in the farang market. Some drawbacks most of them mention, aside from their general dislike of farang, are that the farang 'take too long', are often into kinky sex, and mostly refuse to use condoms unlike Thai men, who rigorously practice 'safe sex' with prostitutes.Absolutely spot on and the longer I am here the less Isaan gals appeal to me. We were in Thermae one night and were talking with a Japanese guy. After an hour or so he asked us what gals we liked. When we pointed out the white skinned ladies, he was a bit shocked and asked,"Why do white guys like women who look like monkeys?" One friend's girlfriend said it best."When foreigners come to Thailand their eyes don't work." Takes a few years for them to work that is for sure. It is tough for me to go into most GoGo bars and find a female who is attractive to me. Might think at first glance, wow, but that fades after seeing the square jawline, the blotchy dark skin, and most of all being around the "crass abrasive" demeanor.
Unfortunately you are also right about the sex and performance. I still have farang tastes in sex. Would love to find a place with super hot white skinned quality gals who perform like porn stars. Not really on the menu in Thailand.
Taksin finds out Cowboy will be flooded.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEusKs9sN0E&feature=youtu.be
Giotto
Absolutely spot on and the longer I am here the less Isaan gals appeal to me.Each to his own, but I've been here since I was a kid and they still look fine to me. In fact I loved it when Yui Rojjana became a top international model much to the distaste of the Bangkok Hi-so with their obsession with light skin.
The fact is that there are plenty of absolutely lovely women from every region of Thailand, and of course plenty of total skanks too. It's about taste in women, not geography.
I think this needs to be tied down.
Most men with a brain will go for a girl who gives them great sex.
I mean, in Thailand what is the point of having a nice looking girl on your arm if she is lousy or just plain normal in bed.
No, when here you find absolute stunners in the bedroom and go with them.
This is what the Japs and the white skinned Bangkok girls cannot understand. For them sex is 3 minutes of grunting and thats that.
This is why farangs in general go for girls who the Hi-so community does not like. But also is too afraid to acknowledge its the lack of bedroom skills and enthusiasm on their part.
But yes, there are some who think its more about having eye candy on your arm than having a great time in bed. And for them the white skinned Bangkok girl is ideal. You pay the money, you prance around with the tart on your arm and are as miserable as sin in the bed.
Think I side with the farangs who like dark, brown, yellow, whatever skin colour, provided they are great in the bedroom!
Absolutely spot on and the longer I am here the less Isaan gals appeal to me. We were in Thermae one night and were talking with a Japanese guy. After an hour or so he asked us what gals we liked. When we pointed out the white skinned ladies, he was a bit shocked and asked,"Why do white guys like women who look like monkeys?" One friend's girlfriend said it best."When foreigners come to Thailand their eyes don't work." Takes a few years for them to work that is for sure. It is tough for me to go into most GoGo bars and find a female who is attractive to me. Might think at first glance, wow, but that fades after seeing the square jawline, the blotchy dark skin, and most of all being around the "crass abrasive" demeanor.
Unfortunately you are also right about the sex and performance. I still have farang tastes in sex. Would love to find a place with super hot white skinned quality gals who perform like porn stars. Not really on the menu in Thailand.
Hi BJ here.
Thought I would share a story with you which took place back in September. Not one of my proudest moments but I think bearing your soul and being honest is a healthy thing to do even on a mongers forum. I was on my way to watch The Man utd Chelsea game on 18 September with a good friend of mine. We had a few beers before the game started and got talking about a bet on the result. I really should have known better, as I very rarely gamble, no one likes to lose money of course, but it doubly hurts when you are Scottish. I've been known to cry openly when I have lost money in the past. Any way I bet on Chelsea to win and for those of you who don't keep up with football, I lost the bet, the worst part was my mate I made the bet with, isn't even into football that much.
Now comes the bad part, the forfeit was the loser had to go to the Airport departures, the following Friday and approach a lady who had clearly just bade farewell to a farang boyfriend and offer to pay her for 'services rendered'. I really wish I had stuck to my doctrine of, no gambling, trust me that's the last time I ever bet on anything. I was as nervous as a priest at a boy scout's outing. I tried all manner of negotiating my way out of the forfeit, but my friend just kept smiling and shaking his head (bastard).
I had absolutely no idea what was the correct approach. The first attempt was to come straight out with it and offer money for sex, she verbally slapped me in Thai which was definitely not complimentary and stormed off. Decided to switch tact. Next one I tried was to simply talk to her and ask if I could escort her to the city for a drink, she gave me a puzzled look, swore at me (I think) then walked away with a contemptuous air about her. This went on for quite a while with me sweating and my mate pissing himself laughing, I thought he might let me off the hook when he saw how much I was suffering but no (don't worry I will get him back eventually regardless of how long it takes). After god knows how many attempts one lady actually agreed to join me for a drink, I couldn't believe it. We got a taxi from the Airport back to the Sukhumvit area and went to the beer garden in Soi 7, stayed for about an hour and a half, I was still unsure about broaching the subject of P4P but to my huge relief it was her who made the offer. The fee was agreed and off we went back to my place. She was quite pretty with what I consider to be a very nice body and average breasts. The sex was good, pretty much standard BG stuff and after all was said and done she took off. Might be a lesson there about forming a relationship with a BG!
Ciao,
BJ
So, how would a farang go about finding lighter skinned more attractive Thai girls? He can't? These girls work in establishments that only Thai men can use?Go to a ritzy mall or walk down the street. I have been in Thailand for a quite a while. They all still pretty much look the same to me.
These comments that there are a network of underground brothels that cater to middle class Thai men with light skinned Thai girls that look better than girls you would find on Sukhumvit is total bullshit. Every cop in town would be lined up for a freebie. Are there high end places that cater to the rich? Yes. But still being Thai is not prerequisite to go to these places all it takes is cash. Also Thais do not despise falang. If they did, you would not see Leo DC, Charlize Theron, Natalie Portman, and all the usual suspects everywhere you look in Bangkok.
98% of hookers are looking for a knight in shining armor, a sponsor, a husband. There is no way a Thai girl working P4P is going to prefer working at a venue the comic book reading, wife beating, mama's boy Thai man that happens to be the manager of Tesco / Lotus goes to.
Each to his own, but I've been here since I was a kid and they still look fine to me. In fact I loved it when Yui Rojjana became a top international model much to the distaste of the Bangkok Hi-so with their obsession with light skin.
The fact is that there are plenty of absolutely lovely women from every region of Thailand, and of course plenty of total skanks too. It's about taste in women, not geography.Very attractive - almost a classic type beauty. My all time favorite Thai model is Xanny Disjad. Also Issan looking and not classic at all but to me nirvana.
Uncle Volodya
11-26-11, 18:18
I think this needs to be tied down.
But yes, there are some who think its more about having eye candy on your arm than having a great time in bed. And for them the white skinned Bangkok girl is ideal. You pay the money, you prance around with the tart on your arm and are as miserable as sin in the bed.Very sad, Mr. Pro. This is the (Global) society we live in. Everything is based on conspicuous consumption. Where people's worth is defined by how wealthy they are. Better still to wear it on your arm. Be it a Rolex, LV handbag, or light skinned model.
Disgusting. But the good news is that it provides opportunities for arbitrage to those of us who know the real value of things, I. E. It gives us more opportunities to score with the darker girl next door types that don't always have a pout on their face and are tigresses in the sack.
Uncle Volodya
11-26-11, 18:28
Thrill of the hunt is the best! Can anyone recommend a place similar to Maggies in BKK?I think the FL scene may be better in Patts. I had great times pulling girls from WS, Lucifer, Insomnia and Marine.
That said I'd at least give Thermae a try. I know everyone says that the Japanese have ruined it. But I just can't believe it. I had some great luck there in the past. Though it takes a little patience. And willingness to approach the girls and apply some charm. Strangely some mongers are too shy to do this.
GOOD LUCK!
Hotman 666
11-26-11, 19:21
the good news is that it provides opportunities for arbitrage to those of us who know the real value of things, I. E. It gives us more opportunities to score with the darker girl next door types that don't always have a pout on their face and are tigresses in the sack.Hi Uncle,
I agree with you completely.
I do not see the point of having a 'supermodel' who may well be a 'super starfish' in bed!
OK, looks are probably what attracts us in the first place but some of my BEST 'in bed experiences worldwide have been with 'girl next door' types!
I would much rather have a girl. Who may not have the classic supermodel look but has a good personality as a playmate for a few hours than a beautiful starfish who does not want to join in with the fun.
My ideal playmate is someone who has 'A healthy body and a SICK mind! ' What a WONDERFUL combination that can be!
Enjoy,
Hotman.
sorry for the long post. i hope you will still find the facts you are looking for. english is not my mother tongue.
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so, here i was again. the traffic of sukhumvit road taking my breath, sweat running down my back. carefully placing my feet along the walkway with its many pitfalls, signs and piles standing in my way.
why didn't i take the cab? i am the longtime guy. i enjoy the hunt as much as the deed. and today i was going to a new place. a short time place. so it makes sense to me to take my time to get there.
i walked along soi 23 just meters away from soi cowboy and memories of my last night came to my mind. bad memories. memories of me taking the wrong girl from long gun minutes before the go go was going to close. she was the girl who did the pussy tricks. not the best looking for sure and actually it turns me off every time to see them playing the darts and cigarette. so why did i choose her? she smiled at me. simple as that. funny that the girls, however professional they are, hardly use the simplest but most approved and most powerful flirt technique: the smile.
i ask her to accompany my long night and bar fine her 600 baht. in my room the old routine. her body appealed me more in the lights of the bar. but i am not too picky. my turn on is the response i get from the girl. and i get this response. teasing and kissing her sensitive areas, a bit finger play and her pussy juices start flowing. she has a good smell. a smell that makes man hot. i cannot resist, put her on her back and start licking her softly. she likes this. yes, she really likes it. it takes time, but she gets hotter and hotter and finally comes hard heavily pressing my head between her legs. i can smell here salty cum. this is the signal for my little brother. condom on and easily sliding into her wet pussy. a tiny girl, but she has no problems to take my member.
then it turns bad. very bad. after a few seconds she asks me to come quickly. she wants to visit a friend. i drew the mega zonk. damned. i am not new to this business but pick the worst girl of soi cowboy? shame on me. so i finish quickly, pay her 1500 and send her away. she asks me if i am ok. no, i am not. i tell her, but it does not make sense to discuss. in this type of business you cannot enforce your deal with even the best lawyer. i missed my chance. now it is too late to pick another girl. time to sleep. i feel pissed.
for sure i will not go back to long gun for the next 12 months. a bar should guarantee a minimum quality of service. therefore i pay the bar fine.
but that was yesterday. a lesson learned.
now i was heading to snow white massage, down sukhumvit, passing by emporium mall. for a second i am tempted to shorten my trip and go to mango massage instead. i stop and ponder. it is hot. i feel hot. and thirsty. but i remember my session with ice. a hot session and very hardcore. but i am the flowers and bees type. the 2 hours with ice made my dick sore and swollen and the worst: useless for the next 4 days. a high price to pay. no, let's go to snow white and see what they have to offer.
so another walk. air is still hot and burning in my lungs. but here we are, soi 26. i turn right. the massage is just a few meters from sukhumvit on the left. i have to cross the street. many cars are heading towards sukhumvit road. i know a lot of people in bangkok. what if somebody sees me entering this place? hey, bangkok has more than 12 million people. why should this happen to me? ok. i cross the street and walk inside.
i am the long time guy. i really do not like the situation awaiting me right after the entrance. a few girls sitting there, one behind the desk. no chance to scan the girls, no chance to estimate their mood, no chance to find signs of sympathy.
i say "2 hours". not very poetic nor romantic. but it is the right keyword. she is shouting a name, not romantic neither, and a girl shows up. at first sight not a beauty. but these places have another fame. the fame that brought me here.
like in all the other places (tulip and mango) it goes upstairs. i am still hot and sweating and the stairs are small. i hate these stairs. i look upwards. her booty in tiny leggins just inches away from my face. i love these stairs.
we reach the room. the girl is very friendly. slim body, long hair. face a bit chinese. her name is cream, like ice cream.
she asks me if i wish anything to drink and leaves. i inspect the room. it is much bigger than the cabins in tulip. they have a bigger shower, a sofa and a mirror along the bed. i start thinking about what i might see in this mirror in a few minutes.
after she returns to our room with my drink, she starts to undress me slowly in a way a servant would do. finally she drops my pants and my prick is jumping into her face. she does not take a second to suck it all up. very soft, very wet, very deep. heaven is on earth.
i took a shower before i walked over and feel clean. i am wondering if she did the same if guys did not come fresh and clean?
a few minutes and we go to shower. she treats me like a king, cleans every inch very carefully. whenever there is a chance she sucks me and keeps my member well up and alive. i help her to wash herself and feel her stiff tits. god, why did you send us all the nasty diseases? i want to fuck her here in the shower, right now, bareback. but i cannot!
of we move to the bed. i kiss her. i suck her neck. i suck her tits and fingerplay with her pussy. she moans as if i am the first man doing this to her in her life. i know this is fake. but it is good fake. we foreplay half an hour. she turns me around in any direction, i twist her in any other way. great fun for a short time. i really enjoy. i lick her all around and so does she with focus on my balls and anywhere around my crotch. man, i really want to get into her. i have to stop, pick the condom and put it on. somehow the flow of energy interrupted. so i spend another 10 minutes with foreplay and kissing and then we slide into each other. we fuck every way. she can read my mind. no need to speak, no need to indicate. we melted into one. i recognize the beauty of her hair. perfect and shiny. i play with it, wish she had made pigtails of it. or any other hairstyle. i must come. we turn to doggy and i hump her heavily. then i take out my dick, rip of the condom and shoot my load over her back and booty. man, what a load. i thought i should have been empty after last days action, but i was wrong. all her back is whet, i shot her hair and my juice is dripping down her asshole and. i am knocked out. my body and brain have to restart. once back i excuse for shooting my semen into her hair. she just smiles.
we go for a shower and back to bed. the mirror. i was fucking a hot girl for half an hour centimeters away from this mirror and did not spend one look? next round i will. promised.
she asks me if i want a massage. not a new, but great idea. i turn over on my stomach and she gives a really good massage. a bit relaxing, a bit therapeutic. perfectly matching the situation.
we go for round two with the same enthusiasm as before. this time i remember the mirror. hot. i am getting used to this girl. what could i do with her next time? the massage places should offer a selection of fetish. i want her in stockings, i want her in school dress, i want her be a nurse, i want her. i want another girl. i want more. why doesn't the shop give suggestions? why not a "specials" menu?
time was over. we dress. i hide 1500 baht between her clothes. we kiss and say goodbye. she guides me down to the counter. mammasan is asking additional 400 baht as we are over time. really? yes, she is right. at least 20 minutes over time. did einstein find the formula describing the relation between time and sexual arousement?
cream stands in for me and helps me to avoid additional payment. nice girl. nice place. i am happy. in arnold's words: i will be back!
Interesting. I thought it was more common for Thai men not to use condoms?
So, how would a farang go about finding lighter skinned more attractive Thai girls? He can't? These girls work in establishments that only Thai men can use?
So, the girls that work in BKK and Pattaya that service Farang men are in general quite ugly? Or only ugly to Thais as skin is dark? Or they are just generally more ugly. If a girl is attractive and in Bangkok or Pattaya shell be working in Thai sex industry?
What about attractive girls that decide to work in the Farang industry? There are some? Why would they chose this option?Again, a lot of generalizations. Most women in Thailand who work in the entertainment industry come to a particular go go, bar, massage, freelancer joint, or even the street come there because their friend works there or recommends it, plain and simple. They don't choose one because they have a preference for Japanese, farang, or Thai. That often comes later. A large number of the Thermae girls work in Japanese karaoke places or in Thaniya, and they hear about going to the Thermae after work if they can't find a guy from their friends. Having lived here long enough, I'd say that I now have Thai or Asian tastes, preferring light skinned women, tending towards northerners or Bangkok girls. But that doesn't mean I won't take home a dark skinned girl, if she is pleasant and has a nice smile. Then again, I once had a northern girlfriend who had dark skin, and I have presently been banging an Isaan lady with whiter skin than most northern beauties. It isn't just skin color either. I have found that the girls I see in Thermae, be it in the way they dress or carry themselves, look far more like non working girls than a lot of the girls I see in the Beergarden. I have taken several of the Thermae girls to dinner in all Thai places where I don't feel stigmatized or stared at, the girls could pass for office ladies. Whereas 9 out of 10 in the BG or Nana would not.
I found it quite amazing that on a recent streak of some 30-40 women I pulled in Sukhumvit, some 75% of them were not from Isaan, perhaps just shows what my eye was looking for? And by the same token, I have frequented many a 90% Thai massage parlor and found plenty of girls who come from Isaan or don't necessarily have skin any whiter than the next. So while the generalizations may apply, keep them to a minimum. If you want fairer skinned girls slightly more in line with Asian tastes, well by all means come checkout the Thermae.
Tratnguyen1
11-27-11, 03:57
Gents,
I finally come back to Bangkok after one year absent. I stay at the Maxim's Inn at soi7/1
This time for a change from the Majestic suite in the past trip. It is a pleasant surprised
I have a deluxe room with braekfast at 1190baht a night and the hotel is very quietly
Situated 100m. From the Sukhumvit road.
The NEP. Is musch less crowded than last year along with less quality girls in the bars.
Soi cowboy is still running strong with better Girls quantity and nice lookings all over.
I was at the Country road bar last night and It was rocking great live music.
I only visited my usually MP, so far and quite pleased with new line up Girls.
I will have more reports coming from the land of paradise
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I think this needs to be tied down.
Most men with a brain will go for a girl who gives them great sex.
I mean, in Thailand what is the point of having a nice looking girl on your arm if she is lousy or just plain normal in bed.
No, when here you find absolute stunners in the bedroom and go with them.
This is what the Japs and the white skinned Bangkok girls cannot understand. For them sex is 3 minutes of grunting and thats that.
This is why farangs in general go for girls who the Hi-so community does not like. But also is too afraid to acknowledge its the lack of bedroom skills and enthusiasm on their part.
But yes, there are some who think its more about having eye candy on your arm than having a great time in bed. And for them the white skinned Bangkok girl is ideal. You pay the money, you prance around with the tart on your arm and are as miserable as sin in the bed.
Think I side with the farangs who like dark, brown, yellow, whatever skin colour, provided they are great in the bedroom!As I said Pro, I would love to find a place that has white skinned girls who performed like porn stars, but I have yet to find it.
Truth be told I find that most gals here in LOS lack that dirty mind that we in the West crave. Even some of the busiest working girls who have been with thousands of guys still don't really get the psychological aspect of sex with farangs. They sure get it with the Japanese as the Asian aspect of it is more familiar to them.
About the only place I partake is at the oilies where I can get close to a good looking girl with stellar performance. I agree with you; Performance is key, but the longer I am here the more I want looks and performance. A hard row to hoe.
Mealticket
11-27-11, 07:45
For them sex is 3 minutesI'm curious; what do they do for the other 90 seconds?
Taksin finds out Cowboy will be flooded.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEusKs9sN0E&feature=youtu.be
GiottoThankyou very much for this link. Really pissed myself laughing when I watched it. I'm sure I have seen the original film before, was it called the bunker? Or does my memory fail me.
BJ
sorry for the long post. i hope you will still find the facts you are looking for. english is not my mother tongue.
so, here i was again. the traffic of sukhumvit road taking my breath, sweat running down my back. carefully placing my feet along the walkway with its many pitfalls, signs and piles standing in my way.
why didn't i take the cab? i am the longtime guy. i enjoy the hunt as much as the deed. and today i was going to a new place. a short time place. so it makes sense to me to take my time to get there.
i walked along soi 23 just meters away from soi cowboy and memories of my last night came to my mind. bad memories. memories of me taking the wrong girl from long gun minutes before the go go was going to close. she was the girl who did the pussy tricks. not the best looking for sure and actually it turns me off every time to see them playing the darts and cigarette. so why did i choose her? she smiled at me. simple as that. funny that the girls, however professional they are, hardly use the simplest but most approved and most powerful flirt technique: the smile.
i ask her to accompany my long night and bar fine her 600 baht. in my room the old routine. her body appealed me more in the lights of the bar. but i am not too picky. my turn on is the response i get from the girl. and i get this response. teasing and kissing her sensitive areas, a bit finger play and her pussy juices start flowing. she has a good smell. a smell that makes man hot. i cannot resist, put her on her back and start licking her softly. she likes this. yes, she really likes it. it takes time, but she gets hotter and hotter and finally comes hard heavily pressing my head between her legs. i can smell here salty cum. this is the signal for my little brother. condom on and easily sliding into her wet pussy. a tiny girl, but she has no problems to take my member.
then it turns bad. very bad. after a few seconds she asks me to come quickly. she wants to visit a friend. i drew the mega zonk. damned. i am not new to this business but pick the worst girl of soi cowboy? shame on me. so i finish quickly, pay her 1500 and send her away. she asks me if i am ok. no, i am not. i tell her, but it does not make sense to discuss. in this type of business you cannot enforce your deal with even the best lawyer. i missed my chance. now it is too late to pick another girl. time to sleep. i feel pissed.
for sure i will not go back to long gun for the next 12 months. a bar should guarantee a minimum quality of service. therefore i pay the bar fine.
but that was yesterday. a lesson learned.
now i was heading to snow white massage, down sukhumvit, passing by emporium mall. for a second i am tempted to shorten my trip and go to mango massage instead. i stop and ponder. it is hot. i feel hot. and thirsty. but i remember my session with ice. a hot session and very hardcore. but i am the flowers and bees type. the 2 hours with ice made my dick sore and swollen and the worst: useless for the next 4 days. a high price to pay. no, let's go to snow white and see what they have to offer.
so another walk. air is still hot and burning in my lungs. but here we are, soi 26. i turn right. the massage is just a few meters from sukhumvit on the left. i have to cross the street. many cars are heading towards sukhumvit road. i know a lot of people in bangkok. what if somebody sees me entering this place? hey, bangkok has more than 12 million people. why should this happen to me? ok. i cross the street and walk inside.
i am the long time guy. i really do not like the situation awaiting me right after the entrance. a few girls sitting there, one behind the desk. no chance to scan the girls, no chance to estimate their mood, no chance to find signs of sympathy.
i say "2 hours". not very poetic nor romantic. but it is the right keyword. she is shouting a name, not romantic neither, and a girl shows up. at first sight not a beauty. but these places have another fame. the fame that brought me here.
like in all the other places (tulip and mango) it goes upstairs. i am still hot and sweating and the stairs are small. i hate these stairs. i look upwards. her booty in tiny leggins just inches away from my face. i love these stairs.
we reach the room. the girl is very friendly. slim body, long hair. face a bit chinese. her name is cream, like ice cream.
she asks me if i wish anything to drink and leaves. i inspect the room. it is much bigger than the cabins in tulip. they have a bigger shower, a sofa and a mirror along the bed. i start thinking about what i might see in this mirror in a few minutes.
after she returns to our room with my drink, she starts to undress me slowly in a way a servant would do. finally she drops my pants and my prick is jumping into her face. she does not take a second to suck it all up. very soft, very wet, very deep. heaven is on earth.
i took a shower before i walked over and feel clean. i am wondering if she did the same if guys did not come fresh and clean?
a few minutes and we go to shower. she treats me like a king, cleans every inch very carefully. whenever there is a chance she sucks me and keeps my member well up and alive. i help her to wash herself and feel her stiff tits. god, why did you send us all the nasty diseases? i want to fuck her here in the shower, right now, bareback. but i cannot!
of we move to the bed. i kiss her. i suck her neck. i suck her tits and fingerplay with her pussy. she moans as if i am the first man doing this to her in her life. i know this is fake. but it is good fake. we foreplay half an hour. she turns me around in any direction, i twist her in any other way. great fun for a short time. i really enjoy. i lick her all around and so does she with focus on my balls and anywhere around my crotch. man, i really want to get into her. i have to stop, pick the condom and put it on. somehow the flow of energy interrupted. so i spend another 10 minutes with foreplay and kissing and then we slide into each other. we fuck every way. she can read my mind. no need to speak, no need to indicate. we melted into one. i recognize the beauty of her hair. perfect and shiny. i play with it, wish she had made pigtails of it. or any other hairstyle. i must come. we turn to doggy and i hump her heavily. then i take out my dick, rip of the condom and shoot my load over her back and booty. man, what a load. i thought i should have been empty after last days action, but i was wrong. all her back is whet, i shot her hair and my juice is dripping down her asshole and. i am knocked out. my body and brain have to restart. once back i excuse for shooting my semen into her hair. she just smiles.
we go for a shower and back to bed. the mirror. i was fucking a hot girl for half an hour centimeters away from this mirror and did not spend one look? next round i will. promised.
she asks me if i want a massage. not a new, but great idea. i turn over on my stomach and she gives a really good massage. a bit relaxing, a bit therapeutic. perfectly matching the situation.
we go for round two with the same enthusiasm as before. this time i remember the mirror. hot. i am getting used to this girl. what could i do with her next time? the massage places should offer a selection of fetish. i want her in stockings, i want her in school dress, i want her be a nurse, i want her. i want another girl. i want more. why doesn't the shop give suggestions? why not a "specials" menu?
time was over. we dress. i hide 1500 baht between her clothes. we kiss and say goodbye. she guides me down to the counter. mammasan is asking additional 400 baht as we are over time. really? yes, she is right. at least 20 minutes over time. did einstein find the formula describing the relation between time and sexual arousement?
cream stands in for me and helps me to avoid additional payment. nice girl. nice place. i am happy. in arnold's words: i will be back!thank you for the report, made very interesting reading. please keep them coming i do like to be kept up to date with other peoples antics.
bj
As I said Pro, I would love to find a place that has white skinned girls who performed like porn stars, but I have yet to find it.
Truth be told I find that most gals here in LOS lack that dirty mind that we in the West crave. Even some of the busiest working girls who have been with thousands of guys still don't really get the psychological aspect of sex with farangs. They sure get it with the Japanese as the Asian aspect of it is more familiar to them.
About the only place I partake is at the oilies where I can get close to a good looking girl with stellar performance. I agree with you; Performance is key, but the longer I am here the more I want looks and performance. A hard row to hoe.In my personal opinion I believe a majority, but certainly not all, of western men have a tendancy to be attracted to something which is different to what they are used to. For example the more dark skinned ladies are less common in Europe. My own preference is for a darker skin.
BJ
as i said pro, i would love to find a place that has white skinned girls who performed like porn stars, but i have yet to find it.
truth be told i find that most gals here in los lack that dirty mind that we in the west crave. even some of the busiest working girls who have been with thousands of guys still don't really get the psychological aspect of sex with farangs. they sure get it with the japanese as the asian aspect of it is more familiar to them.
about the only place i partake is at the oilies where i can get close to a good looking girl with stellar performance. i agree with you; performance is key, but the longer i am here the more i want looks and performance. a hard row to hoe.i have found a few with dirty minds, but that is in over 20 years, so yes, you are correct, it is limited in terms of numbers of girls with dirty minds.
it is why there is an ever increasing amount of ladyboys around, and customers going with ladyboys, hopefully we are allowed to mention the trend, the trend is in fact assisted by the lack of females with dirty minds. if you combine the very sexual minds of a man, with the looks of a girl. you end with having something that has similar sexual perversions as the customer. hence the trend for many many more customers using the services of the lb community.
just stand outside nana for 30 minutes and watch the stream of customers with lb's in tow.
but, the upside of that is of course more real girls for the rest of us to enjoy.
in my years in thailand i have met just 6 girls / women with extremely (being extreme not just plan dirty) dirty minds. and all of them married foreigners (eg they got snapped up pretty quick). i still do some of them, but the others are now living overseas.
as for white skinned girls i find most farang do not "get into them" its more that society and peer pressure makes them think that these white skinned girls are better. the whole set up of bangkok is to look down on dark skin and isaan. and its not strange to find farangs who spend a long time in bangkok eventually end up getting brainwashed by the system and people around them.
Think I side with the farangs who like dark, brown, yellow, whatever skin colour, provided they are great in the bedroom!
How about a green or blue skinned Orion slave girl?
Slim
How about a green or blue skinned Orion slave girl?
SlimI recently managed to pull a Japanese karaoke girl who'd come to Sukhumvit after work for the first time. Theoretically, I was her first farang. When I pulled my member out she started laughing, and told me,"na rak jang loei, see khao maak maak" (it's so white and so cute!). I asked her if it was really that different from a Japanese cock and she looked at me and made a face and said "mai suay." The girls are just as color coordinated as we are!
Actually SC500, your assumption is wrong - the Thais generally pay about the same amount as farang,This cannot be correct, the mean / median income of Thais is much lower. The wage of a teacher or shop manager is not much. It may be a different story in the city. But don't claim Silicon Valley rents are typical of broader American rents. You look at the conditions and fines of working girls. Money is tight, and work hours hard and long. Those in the 'Bar' business take 50-60%+ of turnover. (paying off BIB is an overhead). So conclude the real working class have outlets and options not discussed on this board, like youth hanging out detached houses, or waved up steps into private houses. In 2000 bt establishments (big city) the girl typically clears 700-800bt. I'm sure blue collar Thais know a way to cut out the middlemen, and pay accordingly. A direct phone call and a ST hotel.
So while the generalizations may apply, keep them to a minimum.Especially as Isaan itself is a big region and filled with variety. Taller, lighter "white Lao" girls from up along the river, shorter and darker ones from further inland, those nice voluptuous ethnic Cambodians from Surin and Buriram, smaller ethnic groups like the Suai (just to keep this on topic, anyone remember those two really nice Suai sisters who used to work at Safari?) , etc. The single most beautiful Thai woman I ever met was from Maha Sarakham and believe me, she didn't look anything like the Isaan cliche.
Super Cum 500
11-27-11, 16:52
The way I see it. Thailand offers great cheap sexual pervesion and kinky girls etc. But perhaps lacks on looks depertments.
Europe especially Germany / Spain big establishments you can find hot girls with decent service but the way I see it.
Europe for hot girls.
Thailand for great sex etc.
Off course thats a generilisation also
This cannot be correct, the mean / median income of Thais is much lower.
Afraid it is the way I described, Keeniu. Thais have money now, the bottom has fallen out of farang-lands, and working girls all over Thailand are positively raking it in on the Thai side of the biz. (The freelancers I deal with upcountry typically pull in around 20, 000 / month just working a few hours a day).
Working class Thais normally pay 500-800 baht for a 20 minute boom-boom, with some 300 baht options (the 'old lady houses'. Very old and unattractive ladies. 40 plus) still existing here and there. In 2000 baht places (ab-aum-nuats and kareokes) the girl clears typically half, and while most will refuse to visit you privately (they're already very busy and have large incomes) , a few will for about 1500 upcountry, more in Bangkok. Freelancer prices for Thais are typically 500 for the really unattractive ones. 1000 for reasonable lookers, and 1500-2000 for very pretty 'university'/Hi-so style girls. My middle class friends cannot even conceive of spending less than 1, 000 except if they go to a border town for a Lao girl, and even there they only go to the 800 baht house or the 900 baht delivery service.
Of course here I have only described the lower and middle end of the market. The wealthy Thais pay much much more than farang, but that's a fairly small market. The prices really are overall About the same, Keeniu, and perhaps the explanation is this. Thais are far pickier in terms of looks than farang, and are happy to monger only maybe once every couple of months. By contrast the farang visitors are here for two weeks of desperate two-or-three-per day boomsing, usually on a budget, before being condemned to going back to their hell-hole countries. So its a quantity-vs-quality situation.
Lastly I'd like to remind those who still feel inappropriately confident that they are somehow richer than Thais. You really aren't generally that much richer than the Thai middle class in their own country. Many of them make around $1000-2000 / month, which, while it doens't sound like that much, remember that they don't have to spend huge sums on plane tickets and hotels to go mongering. They just hop in the Altis or Civic and go round the way. Low overhead.
Good lord, I've tried editing this post about ten times now - look at it! What a mess! Why can't this forum allow you to put in paragraphs and so forth? It only allows a big mass of text.
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