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In Suzie Wong they actually even give you a printed receipt for the bar-fine.That is good to know. I will put it on my expense report for reimbursement.
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She said she normally would ask for 2. 5K. She performed quite okay but clearly not experienced, and complained I took a long time to come, but really not more than 15 mins of actual screwing. Is that too much?It is when you're competing with the japs! They've ruined every mongering scene they've touched! But, that's just the way it is nowadays. Got to put up with it or move to another spot.
Mr Enternational
03-04-12, 10:37
It is when you're competing with the japs! They've ruined every mongering scene they've touched! But, that's just the way it is nowadays. Got to put up with it or move to another spot.Last week in Manila a taxi driver was telling me about those guys. He said they take out loans before they travel. That is how their paper gets to be so long. He also mentioned the 322 shit or whatever you guys call it. He said the girls here in PI rather go with them because they have small tools and as soon as they put it in it's time to take it out. He said the girls have small insides and they know if they go with an American he is going to stay up in her and stretch her out. It's easier and more money and less of a strain on their bodies to go with the Japanese brothers. I guess some guys on this forum know what they are talking about. Pic of a girl here in Cebu last night.
Wolvenvacht
03-04-12, 11:03
That is good to know. I will put it on my expense report for reimbursement.I am sure your accountants will be thrilled! Let them know their money was well spent.
It is when you're competing with the japs! They've ruined every mongering scene they've touched! But, that's just the way it is nowadays. Got to put up with it or move to another spot.From the other side of the story, the providers probably think the "scene" has improved. Oh, the irony!
I was looking at No. 51 (incredible body) when she got called by a Japanese looking customer. They soon both disappeared (ST?).I liked her as well, I talked to her once and she asked for 2500 ST. I declined.
I agree on Rainbow 4 selection being good. Partly it is because they have a lot more girls as well though. For example in Rainbow 3 or Shark, you only have 10-15 girls on stage. In Rainbow 4 it's more like 30 girls or more on stage. The same could be said about Baccara. More girls visible = more hotties.
Syzig, you can't be PMed, is that by design?
Syzig, you can't be PMed, is that by design?Yes absolutely Too many silly questions arrive by PM that should be asked of the forum. I don't really see a need for PM. I prefer to keep to myself and the girls
I liked her as well, I talked to her once and she asked for 2500 ST. II thought there were more stunners than I ever saw at baccarat. I don't mind paying 2500 for a top 5 girl but need convincing it will be a more than a real quickie. Girls trying to fit in many customers in a short time can be a problem. I don't have that problem with good Cowboy girls.
I had watched an Issan girl with a great body 048, but she didn't want to look at anybody (seemed distant) and her jaw looked slightly strange due to braces, so ended up taking her friend / sister for short time instead.I was there two nights ago, I was watching number 048 she was hot! But she's definitely not into making eye contact, or maybe she just likes better looking guys that me.
I was there two nights ago, I was watching number 048 she was hot! But she's definitely not into making eye contact, or maybe she just likes better looking guys that me.Thats because she was too busy texting, talking to the other girls, and staring at herself in the mirror.
Thanks for replying. Very true about girls pestering if they are allowed to be approach clients.
While at Baccara my friend motioned to a pretty girl for a drink who were hoping to bar fine. Somehow in the confusion or intentionally on her part, she sent the girl standing next to her. Not our cup of tea anyways. Well we did buy her a drink and were just wodering how to get to rid of her when her "friend" chimed in and asked for a drink as well! Time to hit the exists.
But now I know what to do next time.
Cheers
It depends on the bar. Baccara is Japanese style, which means the girls are taught not to bother the clients unless they're called for. Japanese guys don't want girls pestering them, and if you've ever had some unattractive girl sitting right next to you and not leaving, you can understand their logic. So if you want a girl in Baccara, it's often best to ask the waitress. Just ask for her by number, or you can point.
In other places the girls will be more friendly and walk around and come right up to you.
Thats because she was too busy texting, talking to the other girls, and staring at herself in the mirror.Me Hi-So Supersta. IOW a WOT LOL.
She performed quite okay but clearly not experienced, and complained I took a long time to come, but really not more than 15 mins of actual screwing. Is that too much? Anyway she was a quite enjoyable fuck, so that is what matters.Fifteen minutes is not even the warm up time for me, unless she's already sucked for an hour.
Decided to try Rainbow 4 again. Their lineup was extremely impressive. I have never seen so many stunners at one time even to Farang taste, not just for Japanese. This was a vast improvement on my previous visit, many months back, even though was past 11PM.About 6 months ago the street walkers had a better lineup than Rainbow 4. There was only one girl that caught my eye, who had a stunning face. No doubt a selfish starfish biatch.
Last week in Manila a taxi driver was telling me about those guys. He said they take out loans before they travel. That is how their paper gets to be so long.Are taxi drivers now experts on and fluent in everything Japanese? Though at least he got the 333 stuff right.
I don't mind paying 2500 for a top 5 girlIs this ST price becoming more common? Guys, how often are you hearing a girl quote 2. 5k ST?
Mr Enternational
03-05-12, 03:42
Is your heritage from darker continent by any chance? Your skin seems not to be the colour preferred by the types of girls the japanes like.I'm a 39 year old Black American. I never get into what type likes what type, or who is better than who. If two people can have fun together and / or tolerate each other then to me that is all that counts. I live in Pattaya. I don't go to bars or gogos unless I'm meeting a friend or ISG member there, so the Japanese/Korean factor does not affect me at all. I stick to non-pros, SWs for ST and disco girls for LT. I have had normal Thai gfs as white as snow and a couple my same color. And I have found that in Thailand, as anywhere else, it doesn't mean a thing. I'm not trying to impress anyone by walking around with someone because of there skin tone. Oh, and I don't much care for skinny girls either! I will be happy when Wednesday comes and I can leave the Philippines and get back over to Thailand where the women have more of a shape and some thickness to them.
I have been a lurker on this board for years and from time to time, the issue of race and / or preference comes up. If a girl refuses me, I simply go to the next one period. As for preferences, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. While some may frown at darker types from Issan, I have met some pretty dark thai with ass. In fact, there's a Facebook group for Asian ladies who are seeking Black males, go figure and they range from dark Issan types to lighter skinned ones
Tony Hoeprano
03-05-12, 04:40
I stick to non-pros, SWs for ST and disco girls for LT. .Aren't SW and freelancers pros?
GentleBoner
03-05-12, 08:13
Is this ST price becoming more common? Guys, how often are you hearing a girl quote 2. 5k ST?Never.
A price quote of 2. 5K ST means "I don't want to go with you"
Never.
A price quote of 2. 5K ST means "I don't want to go with you"Or perhaps it means that's the surcharged farang price because you're not Japanese. But if you can convince her you're only 3 inches and will last only 3 minutes, who knows what she might agree to, eh? In LOS such things are negotiable. But for me IMO gogos are a WOT and far better value is to be found elsewhere in BKK. That seems to be the view of most opinions on a few forums I read. Let the Tokyonians have NEP & Cowboy; they deserve each other! Same for Thermae.
Which places have the hottest girls atm for a real good Bangkok special soapy?
ChrisMonger3
03-05-12, 14:51
In case new travellers to Annie's is serching for the place. This is what it looks like from outside.
ChrisMonger3
03-05-12, 14:53
If someone is willing to invest right next to Annie's, this might be a good place.
Perhaps a bar for ISG forum members!
About 6 months ago the street walkers had a better lineup than Rainbow 4. There was only one girl that caught my eye, who had a stunning face. No doubt a selfish starfish biatch.Clearly things have changed at Rainbow and many newer girls are exceptionally pretty.
"Pretty" doesn't automatically equal "selfish starfish" but I am concerned if the girls are looking to break records for the most barfines per month.
Anyone can see though tough negotiating with the extremely pretty ones is not going to work well, since there are plenty of cash splashing customers there.
Its unclear to me if this bar is really a good place to hunt at all, or if most stunners will disappoint.
On another topic, last night I saw a magnificent girl in Cowboy's Soi 23 corner bar with burgers. She was the hottest thing (and pretty) I had seen that evening easily. Tall, hair up, big lips, a semi-latin look, curvy all natural, cute nose not flattened or faked, and big natural looking tits (maybe Ds) in a very tight body hugging top. The funny thing, for all those pale-skin lovers, was her skin was really quite dark, not just mid coffee coloured (not a problem to me at all). Probably an Issaan girl (e. G. Buriram, Surin, etc.) but maybe southern was just possible. Reminded me a little of a girl I had the hots for 18 years ago. I was too shy to go after her as she was with two younger guys already. She seemed to enjoy me looking at her though, and her face expressions came accross as confident without being arrogant, not showing any distain or boredom, but more like a classy style with sexual overtones. For me skin colour is not important. I clearly like Issaan girl looks (sometimes). They do have some absolute stunners. I would have paid a lot for a loooong-long time with someone so exceptional. Catching these girls in and available situation is tough though.
I was already with a favourite bar-girl who looked tiny compared to this model.
If anyone knows anything about such a girl, please comment.
While at Baccara my friend motioned to a pretty girl for a drink who were hoping to bar fine. Somehow in the confusion or intentionally on her part, she sent the girl standing next to her. Not our cup of tea anyways. Well we did buy her a drink and were just wodering how to get to rid of her when her "friend" chimed in and asked for a drink as well!Sounds like a carefully planned tactic to get business for her boring looking friend and there were two of you. Should have just said, no was a mistake rather than buying her a drink really. My view is never buy a drink for anyone that shows up uninvited.
My bar-girl offers me this Herbal thing called Laet Lotion (meaning wayward or like a Rhino). She says it is supposed to make a guy really strong, as she is concerned that I sometimes take long time to cum. Anyway gave it a try on the privates and it started to tingle after washing off. It stuffed up the sex session completely and had completely the reverse effect. The feeling was so strong it squashed the normal sexual feeling completely, made if difficult to maintain erection once condom was on. Perhaps intended for prolonging guys who come too quick, but my problem is the reverse taking a long time to get there. So definitely only detrimental to me. Then had to wait a long time to go back to normal with herbal effect dissappearing.
just back from a nice bbbjcim with the letter c. she was in red so it was 1000. i chose her because of what was in the lineup. she was the prettiest one there. i was shown 3 white dress and 6 red dress. all of witch were ugly or fat. she earned her tip of 300 for how long she was on her knees. i do like the rooms at bj's over the booths at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900). but i think the [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) girls are prettier.
No offense sir. But sounds like the girl is not enjoying your sexual prowess! She wish you were from japan. Hahahahahaha!You have misunderstood completely. She is actually a horny little thing, likes fucking, and even wants to fuck in strange places like the bathroom. Likes extended DATY too. She was only feeling sorry for me when she could come many times to my single.
Is this ST price becoming more common? Guys, how often are you hearing a girl quote 2. 5k ST?I don't really partake of go-go girls but friends do and some have told me recently of occassional large price requests among some of the cuter girls. One girl in Las Vegas asked for 3, 000 baht. Another in the same bar asked another friend for 4, 000 (both advertised on the poster of the welcome girl downstairs). In Billboard one of the sauna girls asked for 5, 000. In Rainbow 3 #5 asked a friend for 2, 500. As one poster says this may simply mean they don't want to go with you but in all three cases the guys were decent looking fellows in their 50's. I think this may be the wave of the future. Tiered pricing. The better looking girls realize they are a scarcity and so ask for a higher price. And so many of the go-go girls are ghastly these days that I can understand their thinking. Why should I get the same amount as that cow over there.
GentleBoner
03-06-12, 13:18
I don't really partake of go-go girls but friends do and some have told me recently of occassional large price requests among some of the cuter girls. One girl in Las Vegas asked for 3, 000 baht. Another in the same bar asked another friend for 4, 000 (both advertised on the poster of the welcome girl downstairs). In Billboard one of the sauna girls asked for 5, 000. In Rainbow 3 #5 asked a friend for 2, 500. As one poster says this may simply mean they don't want to go with you but in all three cases the guys were decent looking fellows in their 50's. I think this may be the wave of the future. Tiered pricing. The better looking girls realize they are a scarcity and so ask for a higher price. And so many of the go-go girls are ghastly these days that I can understand their thinking. Why should I get the same amount as that cow over there.The better looking girls can make good money just off drinks and tips and the base salary, so some of them don't want a lot of barfines unless it's a high price.
Remember these girls are sharing a small apartment on Ratchada with 2 of their friends, so they can afford to wait for the big dumb farang with his wallet falling out of his pants who will end up buying her a condo.
I met a very cute Las Vegas girl yesterday afternoon and paid her 1, 500. Made me pay an extra 600 for barfine though, despite it being 4PM.
ChrisMonger3
03-06-12, 14:53
My bar-girl offers me this Herbal thing called Laet Lotion (meaning wayward or like a Rhino). She says it is supposed to make a guy really strong, as she is concerned that I sometimes take long time to cum. Anyway gave it a try on the privates and it started to tingle after washing off. It stuffed up the sex session completely and had completely the reverse effect. The feeling was so strong it squashed the normal sexual feeling completely, made if difficult to maintain erection once condom was on. Perhaps intended for prolonging guys who come too quick, but my problem is the reverse taking a long time to get there. So definitely only detrimental to me. Then had to wait a long time to go back to normal with herbal effect dissappearing.Taking time to cum is not a problem. Its something most of us want to achieve! Interesting read.
ChrisMonger3
03-06-12, 14:59
Made another visit to angel. Wanted to get rina again, but she was busy. It was more towards the evening so I guess it was peak time. Only a very few to choose from and there were many guys sitting and waiting for their frequant providers to be free. Took a girl but her services were not good. Very mechanical. Dissapointed experience.
A price quote of 2. 5K ST means "I don't want to go with you"That is quite possible, I have to say say I didn't handle 51 very well, I was with a friend and distracted. It's possible she quoted that price to just get out of the situation and find a customer who would be quicker to ggo. It's the first time I've ever been quoted above 2000 ST.
The better looking girls can make good money just off drinks and tips and the base salaryNot true as I've said before. Just sit in a Rainbow for 2 hours and count the number of drinks the hot girls get. It really isn't that much.
I will be happy when Wednesday comes and I can leave the Philippines and get back over to Thailand where the women have more of a shape and some thickness to them.I thought Filipinos were thicker?
Somehow in the confusion or intentionally on her part, she sent the girl standing next to her. Not our cup of tea anyways. Well we did buy her a drink and were just wodering how to get to rid of herSmile and explain the misunderstanding next time. Don't buy drinks for a girl you don't want.
GentleBoner
03-06-12, 18:34
Made another visit to angel. Wanted to get rina again, but she was busy. It was more towards the evening so I guess it was peak time. Only a very few to choose from and there were many guys sitting and waiting for their frequant providers to be free. Took a girl but her services were not good. Very mechanical. Dissapointed experience.I had rina before and didn't enjoy her. Way rougher looking than her photo. Tits are her only asset.
Wolvenvacht
03-06-12, 19:15
I thought Filipinos were thicker?Philipinos? Perhaps, but I think he was discussing Philipinas.
Philipinos? Perhaps, but I think he was discussing Philipinas.Spelling. Its either Filipinos or Filipinas
Spelling. Its either Filipinos or FilipinasIts not a best spelling competition. I make typos frequently.
That is quite possible, I have to say say I didn't handle 51 very well, I was with a friend and distracted. It's possible she quoted that price to just get out of the situation and find a customer who would be quicker to ggo. It's the first time I've ever been quoted above 2000 ST.
Not true as I've said before. Just sit in a Rainbow for 2 hours and count the number of drinks the hot girls get. It really isn't that much.
Smile and explain the misunderstanding next time. Don't buy drinks for a girl you don't want.I agree with everything you say here. Strangely in Cowboy, girls rarely quote me a price at all. They just assume I will be fair. I really like this, as I can pay based on how the girl performed for me. I would pay bare minimum for a crap performance, and more for a fantastic longer time. However I can imagine super hot girls wanting to make sure they will get a good reward for their time. There is a certain element in some bars where girls are aiming to be top superstar in the bar or top 3, top 10 etc. They hope to make more money per month than most girls in the bar, partly from high number of STs and partly from maximum Baht per ST. These goals are not compatible with guys who think it is same price for same service from every girl, regardless of her looks.
For me I can understand that an iphone costs more than a Hitachi because it seems sexier. I believe that bargain basement prices can be got from bargain basement looks on girls who have not much business. Girls that go several times per night are going to be less in a bargaining mood, as they are plenty of Japanese with lots of money who have a reputation of being quick too. I feel that to compete, I need the girl to really like me first, otherwise she might choose a Japanese guy in preference.
I believe that the real stunners have plenty of ability to pick and choose which customer they want from multiple guys interested. Its bad luck for us, but we have to get used to some knock backs, for one reason or another.
The most stunning girl in Rainbow 4 was with a handsome young Farang and spending a lot of time with him. So I guess she liked him a lot, or he was spending big money, or both. She wasn't concerned about fast turnover at the time.
Oilies and Soapies are where prices are set and knockbacks very rare.
Spelling. Its either Filipinos or FilipinasYeah, but if you want to talk about girls (females) , it's Filipinas.
ChrisMonger3
03-07-12, 18:12
I totally agree that most of the girls don't look as good as the photo's. But with photoshop available, that is to be expected. Rina was better for me than the other one. And yes, tits were good. Who are the others who have natural big breast at this place?
I had rina before and didn't enjoy her. Way rougher looking than her photo. Tits are her only asset.
ChrisMonger3
03-07-12, 18:15
Had a fairly decent oil massage at Maurray garden hotel spa. Only HJ was offered but did it with alot of oil. Feeling the balls etc. For a massage it was good. But not much else compared to what you can get in Bangkok.
ChrisMonger3
03-07-12, 18:18
Which hotels are known to have decent massage / soapy in their basements. And what are the cost? I know they exist and was taken to one by a taxi guy on my last visit but I can't remember where. If I can find it on my own, I will save the taxi commission.
So any help would be appreciated.
As a frequent visitor to Billboard the juvenile section (Sauna girls) get 2, 000 bt for just 30 minutes sitting outside with a customer in Billboard. They get dressed up and will sit with you for 2k and drinks. I am quite close to a few servers and started asking questions on the Sauna girls (I use the term juvenile section for some of them are under 18). So getting 5k, though ridiculous to me, happens.
Snipped . In Billboard one of the sauna girls asked for 5, 000. Snipped
Member #4178
03-08-12, 04:01
Yes some are teen. 16 years, don't go with any costomer, they asked me 2000 st. Thats after the specific girl.
Looked at me carfully. They have fake ID.
Fun Filled
03-08-12, 07:33
Landed at airport around 5:15 in evening. Straight went to visa on arrival section, there was long Q so decided to pay 200 bhat extra and use express service. Got the visa in 5 min and headed for train station.
The express train take 17 min to reach paya thai but the frequency is 40 min and the ticket cost 180 bhat. I reached there at 6:00 and the guy at the ticket counter told me that next train is at 6:30 that's mean I will be reaching paya thai at 6:47, so instead to waiting for 30 min I decided to take slow train. I was surprised to know that the slow train cost only 45 bhat. Boarded the train at 6:05 and at 6:30 I was at paya thai. I saved 135 bhat and 17 min of time. From paya thai took the another train to nana which coast me 25 bhat and another 15 min. So total coast was 70 bhat and time taken to reach destination in peak hour was 45 min. If I would have taken I taxi it would have taken more then 1 hour due to peak hour traffic and around 400 bhat.
I will recommend you guys take a slow train if you traveling light and solo or in small group so that you can same save money.
Wolvenvacht
03-08-12, 08:27
Which hotels are known to have decent massage / soapy in their basements. And what are the cost? I know they exist and was taken to one by a taxi guy on my last visit but I can't remember where. If I can find it on my own, I will save the taxi commission.I think Nana Hotel (close to NEP) has an in-house massage shop. I did not partake of it though and stayed only one day in Nana Hotel, which was not at all to my liking.
But actually, why limit yourself to the in-house massage shop or only take a hotel with a massage shop? Most --if not almost all-- hotels in the Sukhumvit area will not bat an eye if you take someone with you and then you have the choice of all ladies from all massage shops. With a bit of negotiations they will come to your hotel room for a few hours and give you a private massage+!
The Teenies DO go out with a customer to the short time joint within Nana. They do not, as you say (from what the servers tell me) , go out to a customers hotel. Not my thing. Got to be over 20 for me.
Yes some are teen. 16 years, don't go with any costomer, they asked me 2000 st. Thats after the specific girl.
Looked at me carfully. They have fake I'd.
What's the deal with 16 year olds working there? Is that legal under Thai law?
Member #4178
03-08-12, 13:25
The teens got all the attraction and they dance in a pool. The left side of the bar has older girls dancing in a pool.
I was there a few days ago with a senior monger. We asked the mama san, and she told us that it possible to.
Take the girl to hotel but she was not sure that all hotel wil acept the teens.
Now let me tell you that the working girls in Thailand do not worth a shit this days. This is why ladyboys all over.
The place. The reason is simple, Thailand aconomy is good, good looking girls can get decent jobs so.
Only the uglies and the older woman still around.
In order to be inovative and to gain market share, club owners forces to take riskes by bringing, outstanding.
Prettey girls with exceptionally good looking with super smooth white skinn. I was so amaized that could not belive my eyes, this a serius crime this days.
All mongers was watering including me but the teens are available only to costomers they personally likes. I am in ko chang now coming from Pattaya, both places are fry, full of uglies. Tomorrow I will come to Bangkok.
My plans? Well you can guess, but soon this phenomenon will gone away.
what's the deal with 16 year olds working there? is that legal under thai law?in general, jackson bans the promotion of this sort of thing. its also not legal. in the days before thaksin came to power, it was quite normal to have **** and non thai girls working, e. g. from burma. when thaksin came in, these things were stamped out to some extent and girls were required to have official papers. also places started to be forced to close earlier. these days things have relaxed again, and many illegal things going on, including heavy drug usage by bar-girls.
i don't like to take girls too young, nor girls obviously on substances. generally girls 25 and up perform better for me although there are some younger girls 20-21 who already seem very experienced.
I think Nana Hotel (close to NEP) has an in-house massage shop. I did not partake of it though and stayed only one day in Nana Hotel, which was not at all to my liking.
But actually, why limit yourself to the in-house massage shop or only take a hotel with a massage shop? Most.if not almost all- hotels in the Sukhumvit area will not bat an eye if you take someone with you and then you have the choice of all ladies from all massage shops. With a bit of negotiations they will come to your hotel room for a few hours and give you a private massage+!The MP at Nana does not offer (as reported here) nothing more than HE / HJ.If you take their "intimate" shaving option, and that is performed only around your little brother, the not young lady (but a nice level of MILF) will not do anything more than an accurate shaving of the whole area.
It was reported here that for the HJ you need to hire one of the younger girls (but I am not so sure I would surrender my little brother and surroundings to her razor skills.)
You are right in mentioning "why limit yourself". Most likely he can be a bit shy or newby and prefers the comfort of not going out hunting.
So your option of an out-call from a MP is wise and effective.
Below legal age is a touchy subject in all senses: legally and morally (I rate mongerers do have a moral too.)
Whatever is the opinion and approach of anybody, the ISG forum rules cut the story short. Girls below legal age should not be a matter of discussion in ISG.
I believe this can help somebody not familiar to ISG rules to undestand it is a "no-no" to debate on that age group.
Mr Enternational
03-08-12, 17:44
What's the deal with 16 year olds working there? Is that legal under Thai law?They sneak. Sometimes the bar is aware of it and sometimes not. I know a couple of girls who started working at bars when they were 15. I know the legal age for them to go to a disco is 20. I'm not sure of the age to work at a bar, gogo, or disco.
they sneak. sometimes the bar is aware of it and sometimes not. i know a couple of girls who started working at bars when they were 15. i know the legal age for them to go to a disco is 20. i'm not sure of the age to work at a bar, gogo, or disco.i believe 15 is the age the girls have to be to work in the bar. they can work as servers, cleaners, food handlers etc. there is a blurred line if she will be a dancer. thai bar owners do not obey any laws. so the girls officially maybe hired as cleaners but dance if the owner says so. i am sure it is illegal to barfine them but for a local thai guy it is immaterial. but i have a feeling foreigners whether they admit or not have had sex with **** girls worldwide. actually very few are caught usually as a dispute with money. most of the developing world age is not a barrier for anything. till recently cambodia was one place where all ****s went. but now it seems to have gone underground.
the isg forum rules cut the story short. girls below legal age should not be a matter of discussion in isg.
i believe this can help somebody not familiar to isg rules to undestand it is a "no-no" to debate on that age group.it's still useful to know of the places to avoid. i didn't know some places had **** girls in nana. i won't be going to those.
it's still useful to know of the places to avoid. i didn't know some places had **** girls in nana. i won't be going to those.i do agree the warnings are useful and important, but probably the debate is off the rules.
Nana is my favourite in Bangkok. For some reason, much prefer it to Soi Cowboy, like the layout of the joint, and most places have great quality when it comes to girls. Angelwitch is my favourite venue by far. Cheers for the updates and reviews.
Dash Riprock
03-09-12, 13:23
Nataree is a place to avoid for the reasons mentioned.
Won't go into detail as that may be against the rules.
it's still useful to know of the places to avoid. i didn't know some places had **** girls in nana. i won't be going to those.by naming places to avoid, we could be considered to be unintentionally promoting them, but i get away with subtle comments at times. anyway no doubt some of your favourite bars will have some suspect girls. so just choose wisely and check the id if not sure. i am well known enough that staff will tell me which ones are not okay.
there is a rumour that japanese customers like girls to seem like students, or nurses, etc. part of the fantasy process. i am simple. i just like nude girls with great curves.
right now there is a news story about soldiers in the south being prosecuted for [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) even though the girl may have been willing, simply because she was under-age (not to mention the wrong religion). they collected their own evidence against themselves with a camera. now that must be considered a bit dumb. nomination for the darwin awards.
i just noticed the forum has paragraphs again. a wonderful thing, however the spelling mis-correcter is still annoying. :d
Now let me tell you that the working girls in Thailand do not worth a shit this days. This is why ladyboys all over.
The place. The reason is simple, Thailand aconomy is good, good looking girls can get decent jobs so.
I think that is one of the reasons certainly. Though it is clearly difficult to measure in any methodical provable way, but most guys, including myself that I talk to who have been coming to Thailand for over ten years feel there has been a real very obvious decline in the quaility of working women in Thailand. In fact, I'd posit that the working women are some of the least attractive women in Thailand with their hard faces, tattoos and increasingly man-made breasts and noses. Go to Terminal 21 or Siam and you will see more good looking girls in an hour than you will see in days of trolling through the go-go bars. I am honestly shocked at times at the low quaility on stage in go-gos these days.
I think the improvement in the economy is the main reason and that can be seen primarily in the lack of geographical diversification of the girls available. When I first hit Bangkok in the early 90's, it was as likely for a girl to tell me she was from Chiang Mai or Bangkok as to tell me Issan. Now I am taken aback if a girl is not from Issan. When Issan starts getting wealthier as it is doing, we will really be getting the riff-raff.
Another factor is that the birth rate in Thailand like nearly everywhere else is dramatically declining thus providing a smaller pool of women.
Also, Globalization has effected the supply of Thai girls on two fronts. Back in the 90's nearly all the sex toruists were from Western countries or Japan. Now a huge pct are from the BRIC countries and from eastern Europe. With so many more lonely sexually frustrated guys coming to Thailand it only makes sense that more and more girls, esp. the good looking ones, are being either sponsored or are marrying thus taking them out of the market. Another aspect of Globalization is that many of these girls have figured out that they can make a lot more money outside of Thailand than here. Nearly every girl I know who has been around for a few years has had a stint in Singapore, Hong Kong or in Europe. Was talking with a girl 2 days ago who works primarily out of Switzerland. She charges guys the equivalent of 3, 200 baht for 20 minutes. Doing guys here for 1500 or 2000 baht for as long as they take just seems silly to her.
A lot of girls are now Escort girls charging 5000 baht for short time. There are hundreds of them doing this. So ya, they are still in the market but aimed at a business clientele who don't know better.
I think some of these factors have effected the freelance girls more than the go-go girls but both are in decline. Finding an attractive freelancer these days is a Herculean task and please don't tell me about the great looking girls at Nana Parking Lot, Gullivers or at the Beergarden. They reek of decay. And when I go looking in go-gos I am amazed at how average to ugly most of the girls are with most go-gos having at most a few decent looking ones. And as we have read here recently, most of those are of an age that it is best to avoid.
I think the improvement in the economy is the main reason and that can be seen primarily in the lack of geographical diversification of the girls available. When I first hit Bangkok in the early 90's, it was as likely for a girl to tell me she was from Chiang Mai or Bangkok as to tell me Issan. Now I am taken aback if a girl is not from Issan. When Issan starts getting wealthier as it is doing, we will really be getting the riff-raff.You made a lot of very good points and I had to agree with nearly everything. However poor girls with poor education don't only come from Issaan. I have met northern girls in Baccara for example and have a favourite pale skinned Soapy girl from Chiang Rai. Very rare to meet Southern girls in bars, MPs etc. These days. 20 years ago there were a lot more southern girls. I knew a few of them at Thermae Soapy back then.
The overall standard of bar girls does seem to be dropping, however as I get older, I also get harder to please. For newbies, just about anything young will do. Walking outside in an ordinary street, I would say that only 1 in 10 girls are good looking or pretty and not even 1 in a hundred are stunning. Places like Terminal 21, Emporium, the averages of course are very distorted. However pretty girls working there still don't make a lot of money. So sex business can be tempting, specially for girls are horny.
Freelance bar-girls have it good as can turn up to work when feel like it, and only go with guys they like. If get bar-fined by someone undesirable, they can claim its their period, and no fucking. My current favourite bar-girl works like this. She recently knocked back a customer wanting to take her OS for a few days. Probably wanted to relax or do other things. She studies part time, to prepare for her non-WG future. Superior lokking bar-girls can do this and still get customers when they want to.
And when I go looking in go-gos I am amazed at how average to ugly most of the girls are with most go-gos having at most a few decent looking ones. And as we have read here recently, most of those are of an age that it is best to avoid.Not most, apparently just some in some specific places. I've never seen an under-aged looking girl so far.
How were gogos 20 years ago? Don't tell me they were full of stunners wall-to-wall?
Freelance bar-girls have it good as can turn up to work when feel like it, and only go with guys they like. If get bar-fined by someone undesirable, they can claim its their period, and no fucking. My current favourite bar-girl works like this. She recently knocked back a customer wanting to take her OS for a few days. Probably wanted to relax or do other things. She studies part time, to prepare for her non-WG future. Superior lokking bar-girls can do this and still get customers when they want to.That's exactly what my girlfriend is doing. Sometimes I actually get envious of her lifestyle. I've never seen anyone work so little and make so much. She works 2-3 night a week from 6 to 12. Every 2 or 3 weeks she takes a couple of weeks off. Her days are spent shopping and eating out with her girlfriends. Once in a while she is flown out by a client and makes a bundle for a weekend in a 5 star hotel in Singapore or wherever. Talk to her about doing something else and she looks at you like you are crazy.
[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1256393]How were gogos 20 years ago? Don't tell me they were full of stunners wall-to-wall? QUOTE]
Though it's hard to believe they were. 20, 25 years ago the average girl in the gogos was gorgeous. At least 50-75% were what we call stunners today and allmost all were very attractive by todays standards.
If you can get into one of the higher end Japanese oriented bars you'll still see this; they are full of beauties. The real deal is that the Thai's are keeping the best for themselves now days, and there are a lot more venues now so the available talent is spread more thinly on the ground.
The upcountry and Thai only places are packed with gorgeous, sweet lovelies. They move the girls into the farang venues if or when they aren't profitable in their own places. If you go with a Thai friend to a place in Sukhothai or Khorat the girls are almost all drop dead gorgeous.
[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1256393]How were gogos 20 years ago? Don't tell me they were full of stunners wall-to-wall? QUOTE]
Though it's hard to believe they were. 20, 25 years ago the average girl in the gogos was gorgeous. At least 50-75% were what we call stunners today and allmost all were very attractive by todays standards.
If you can get into one of the higher end Japanese oriented bars you'll still see this; they are full of beauties. The real deal is that the Thai's are keeping the best for themselves now days, and there are a lot more venues now so the available talent is spread more thinly on the ground.
The upcountry and Thai only places are packed with gorgeous, sweet lovelies. They move the girls into the farang venues if or when they aren't profitable in their own places. If you go with a Thai friend to a place in Sukhothai or Khorat the girls are almost all drop dead gorgeous.Ya, that is another factor in far fewer beauties in the Farang world. As Thai wealth has grown, they have opened up all these G Clubs and so on where I hear the girls are Grade A.
No doubt one's memory can play tricks as it fades over 20 years and likely one recalls the better looking girls. But I certainly don't remember going into go-gos back then as I do now and being recoiled by some of the overweight girls I see on stage. Even the supposed best go-gos like the Rainbow bars have a fair share of real plug uglies. I don't get the owner's thinking on this, is it just a game of numbers? I'd rather go into a bar with all quality girls even if fewer in numbers. Seeing some of these girls just make me turn around and leave. And I've noticed that many of the go-gos seem to have segmented the girls by looks so that they have the A team, B team and perhaps C Team. And if you get stuck having to look at the C team for 10 minutes every ounce of your sex drive that you may have come in with has been viscerated like a dead sliced fish.
Not most, apparently just some in some specific places. I've never seen an under-aged looking girl so far.
How were gogos 20 years ago? Don't tell me they were full of stunners wall-to-wall?I surprised you haven't seen excessively young looking girls. Plenty of Cowboy bars have them. Not sure if Baccara allows it though.
There weren't wall to wall stunners 20 years ago, but coming from my home country where girls were not very impressive and my expectations not high, Thai girls could look real cute easily. After seeing Scandinavian gils, French girls, etc, I view Thai girls with a different more critical eye now.
The very pretty girls usually get yanked out of the bar before too long, even if their character has been spoiled somewhat. "You can take the girl out of the bar, but it's difficult to take the bar out of the girl". Bargirls are can be okay as casual part time GFs, but many don't know how to behave as though they didn't come from the bar, acting a bit too wayward. MP girls seem to have a higher standard of behaviour once they are outside the work-place, and better GF prospects generally.
[QUOTE=Naughty; 1256409]No doubt one's memory can play tricks as it fades over 20 years and likely one recalls the better looking girls. But I certainly don't remember going into go-gos back then as I do now and being recoiled by some of the overweight girls I see on stage.I think the standard was higher back then but your memory does seem to be playing some tricks. I remember thinking back then how come the bars the ugly ones too. Simple answer. To make up the numbers and pressure in order to keep the good lookers, they needed to take their ordinary friends too. Some bars had special standards though, like no real fatties, no silicone tits, etc.
Western787
03-10-12, 13:19
How were gogos 20 years ago? Don't tell me they were full of stunners wall-to-wall?Though it's hard to believe they were. 20, 25 years ago the average girl in the gogos was gorgeous. At least 50-75% were what we call stunners today and allmost all were very attractive by todays standards.
If you can get into one of the higher end Japanese oriented bars you'll still see this; they are full of beauties. The real deal is that the Thai's are keeping the best for themselves now days, and there are a lot more venues now so the available talent is spread more thinly on the ground.
The upcountry and Thai only places are packed with gorgeous, sweet lovelies. They move the girls into the farang venues if or when they aren't profitable in their own places. If you go with a Thai friend to a place in Sukhothai or Khorat the girls are almost all drop dead gorgeous.No doubt globalization, the internet, and the age of low cost jet travel. Beauty is a commodity, and an ultra hot girl today no matter where she lives on the planet generally (excepting some extreme locales) knows her commodity value. Now she may be deferring that value, but she usually understands it. I haven't been to Rangoon in Myamar, but that's an impoverished country but noted for very beautiful women of hybrid asian and european backgrounds, controlled by a military elite, yet the traveling club to club nightclub "fashion shows" (due to various restrictions forced to act as lineups for pros) you will note the girls there, based upon you tube postings at least, tend to be somewhat average. Now you would think it might be like Thailand 20 years back, but globalization has changed that, even though most are restricted to not traveling.
Nataree is a place to avoid for the reasons mentioned.Why avoid Nataree?
GentleBoner
03-10-12, 16:38
Though it's hard to believe they were. 20, 25 years ago the average girl in the gogos was gorgeous. At least 50-75% were what we call stunners today and allmost all were very attractive by todays standards.I don't believe this at all.
If anything, I suspect they were a bit rougher looking.
If you go with a Thai friend to a place in Sukhothai or Khorat the girls are almost all drop dead gorgeous.I'll keep that in mind!
I surprised you haven't seen excessively young looking girls. Plenty of Cowboy bars have them. Not sure if Baccara allows it though.I've seen girls where I would be like: 'she looks kind of young, maybe 18-19. '
But never: 'holy shit is she 14? WTF? '
But I've been in Asia for a long while so maybe I'm better at estimating age. Schoolgirl uniforms etc don't fool me.
Sushilover808
03-10-12, 20:07
I just finished a week in Pattaya and I posted many reports & pictures. I am now in BKK entertaining friends. Tonight we went to Spanky's, Angelwitch, & Carnival for their spanking, great shows, & mechanical bull respectively. I am not as familiar with BBK bars as I am with the Pattaya scene.
At Windmill in Pattaya, customers may participate in fisting a girl's pussy & ass, watch darts being shot from a girl's pussy, & fuck a girl with a banana. Respectfully, will anyone please tell me which bars in Soi Cowboy, Nana, or Patpong have the raunchy shows like Windmill in Pattaya and when is the best time to go?
Please don't RTFF me as I have paid forward with many posts about what I did in Pattaya.
I don't believe this at all.
If anything, I suspect they were a bit rougher looking.I'll vouch for Gentleboner's statement. My mongering days in Thailand were in the 80s and early 90s. Boy were the girls great then. You were always spoilt for choice. Yes, there were ugly ones too, perhaps 2-3 per bar? I guess it's the opposite now.
Tony Hoeprano
03-10-12, 23:03
Now that all the hot girl in Thailand are taken, where should one go to? Indonesia? Cambodia? Philippines? Africa?
Wolvenvacht
03-10-12, 23:11
now that all the hot girl in thailand are taken, where should one go to? indonesia? cambodia? philippines? africa?hehe, good i made one my own then before supplies ran out.
end of april i will take a trip to laos with my thai tirac. there will be no need to sample the local fauna, but i will keep my eyes peeled and report.
Wolvenvacht
03-10-12, 23:27
At Windmill in Pattaya, customers may participate in fisting a girl's pussy & ass, watch darts being shot from a girl's pussy, & fuck a girl with a banana. Respectfully, will anyone please tell me which bars in Soi Cowboy, Nana, or Patpong have the raunchy shows like Windmill in Pattaya and when is the best time to go?Long Gun in Soi Cowboy (early right hand side when coming from Asoke) has some raunchy "pussy" shows, but I did not see any visitor interaction. In Suzie Wong (halfway on the right hand side when coming from Asoke) I once licked (briefly) a dancer's pussy on stage, but that was already exceptional. Last I was in Suzie Wong they started to have some "pussy" shows but still pretty tame: puling strings of flowers or ribbons from their pussies, nothing more wild. They do have some girl-on-girl action on stage.
Don't go to Patpong. It is for clueless tourists only. Much is promised by the touts on the street, few is delivered upstairs in the grimy clubs. The only thing they are good in is inflating your bin and emptying your wallet.
Bangkok isn't Pattaya!
Dash Riprock
03-11-12, 01:07
Why avoid Nataree?As mentioned, because they aren't quite legal regarding the topic at hand.
If get bar-fined by someone undesirable, they can claim its their period, and no fucking. My current favourite bar-girl works like this.The way I work is if I don't want to see a P4P TG regular who's been hounding me with 30 calls & 10 text messages before I even wake up & check my phone, I can tell her:
1) Sorry, today I go crocodile farm, golfing & sick buffalo hospital.
2) Little brother tired, not feeling well, tell me he want to see doctor.
3) Me broke. Chalkwow today, save money.
Then, of course, I call up another of my regulars to tap that fresh young shrimp.
I think some of these factors have effected the freelance girls more than the go-go girls but both are in decline. Finding an attractive freelancer these days is a Herculean task and please don't tell me about the great looking girls at Nana Parking Lot, Gullivers or at the Beergarden. They reek of decay. And when I go looking in go-gos I am amazed at how average to ugly most of the girls are with most go-gos having at most a few decent looking ones. And as we have read here recently, most of those are of an age that it is best to avoid.For years here I've read many disparaging comments like yours about the Nana Car Park (NCP) & have responded accordingly. Of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For example, most of the pics in the photo thread, even those that claim to be attractive, hot or stunners, I wouldn't go with if they paid me.
That being said, however, I haven't seen a decline in quality in the Nana Car Park since 2007. The price is generally the same, namely 1000 Baht ST. The looks are still there. The service is, if anything, better. Overall my experience certainly is. Last year I was amazed at the bodies of some of those I picked up. This year I haven't got out a lot, as I have my regulars I call but, from my observations, the numbers seem to be down for the evening workers, but up for the daytime. Some girls are also working the street nearby. Or indoors at bars & places like the Beergarden on soi 7. These changes are, I think, at least in part to avoid the LE raids to fine them (pocket) 1000 baht a head. As usual there is always the fresh meat; the new kids in town, from Bumfuck Isaarn. Last year, before the floods, when I paid a couple visits to Rainbow 4 in NEP, the lineup on the streets was better IMO. Also, of course, much cheaper, & probably better service & attitude as well.
I think that is one of the reasons certainly. Though it is clearly difficult to measure in any methodical provable way, but most guys, including myself that I talk to who have been coming to Thailand for over ten years feel there has been a real very obvious decline in the quaility of working women in Thailand. In fact, I'd posit that the working women are some of the least attractive women in Thailand with their hard faces, tattoos and increasingly man-made breasts and noses. Go to Terminal 21 or Siam and you will see more good looking girls in an hour than you will see in days of trolling through the go-go bars. I am honestly shocked at times at the low quaility on stage in go-gos these days.
I think the improvement in the economy is the main reason and that can be seen primarily in the lack of geographical diversification of the girls available. When I first hit Bangkok in the early 90's, it was as likely for a girl to tell me she was from Chiang Mai or Bangkok as to tell me Issan. Now I am taken aback if a girl is not from Issan. When Issan starts getting wealthier as it is doing, we will really be getting the riff-raff.
Another factor is that the birth rate in Thailand like nearly everywhere else is dramatically declining thus providing a smaller pool of women.
Also, Globalization has effected the supply of Thai girls on two fronts. Back in the 90's nearly all the sex toruists were from Western countries or Japan. Now a huge pct are from the BRIC countries and from eastern Europe. With so many more lonely sexually frustrated guys coming to Thailand it only makes sense that more and more girls, esp. The good looking ones, are being either sponsored or are marrying thus taking them out of the market. Another aspect of Globalization is that many of these girls have figured out that they can make a lot more money outside of Thailand than here. Nearly every girl I know who has been around for a few years has had a stint in Singapore, Hong Kong or in Europe. Was talking with a girl 2 days ago who works primarily out of Switzerland. She charges guys the equivalent of 3, 200 baht for 20 minutes. Doing guys here for 1500 or 2000 baht for as long as they take just seems silly to her.
A lot of girls are now Escort girls charging 5000 baht for short time. There are hundreds of them doing this. So ya, they are still in the market but aimed at a business clientele who don't know better.
I think some of these factors have effected the freelance girls more than the go-go girls but both are in decline. Finding an attractive freelancer these days is a Herculean task and please don't tell me about the great looking girls at Nana Parking Lot, Gullivers or at the Beergarden. They reek of decay. And when I go looking in go-gos I am amazed at how average to ugly most of the girls are with most go-gos having at most a few decent looking ones. And as we have read here recently, most of those are of an age that it is best to avoid.Agree with all that you state in your post. As a 12 year resident, I can say that the talent level in the Sukhumvit area has been on a decline for a few years. Now that decline is geometric. Much has to do with the low unemployment rate and the rising wages in Thailand. Globalization, the internet, and the increasing horror of women from fully developed countries. It is no longer an inexpensive scene and will never be again. Great looking women know their value! Pandora's box is open.
But I've been in Asia for a long while so maybe I'm better at estimating age. Schoolgirl uniforms etc don't fool me.The bar staff tell me the true ages when I ask, because know me for years. I don't have to rely on estimation.
Now that all the hot girl in Thailand are taken, where should one go to? Indonesia? Cambodia? Philippines? Africa?LOL you guys make me laugh and laugh every time I log on. I hope and hope to find useful reports. First BKK water, then flowers, always the price issue, and now all the girls in BKK are dogs LOL. Ok enough LOL. Jackson shut down the Thailand forum, Bangkok is no longer a good place to monger. Prices are too high, you can't drink the tap water, can't find a decent orchid (that one is my favorite) , taxis are too expensive, the girls are ugly, they are all from Issan, Nana plaza is a dump, too many lady boys, Go go's are a rip off, too many Indians selling fake watches, Thermae closed its doors and reopened in Japan, the Japanese and myself pay too much to the girls driving prices up, and oh I can't forget the flood that will come every year! Why do you all come here to visit and live if you complain so much?
Ok my report from the land of hell. I went to Barraca again, my favorite Soi Cowboy bar, line up always spectacular. There was a special show with five girls downstairs who all got completely naked on stage, normally only topless upstairs. A fair skinned beauty with long black hair caught my eye. Beautiful pussy and nice 36 see breasts. After her show I quickly moved to intercept her as she was going back upstairs to change her clothes. She agrees to have a drink with me when she finished changing. After the mandatory two drink and bar fine rule we were off to my condo. Ok boys don't faint now but we agreed 4000LT. Well I I have to say is what a fuck! All positions available, DATY, BBBJ, anal, tit fucking, what a total GFE / PSE rolled into one. I did not let her go until the next day at 6pm. We spent all night and next day fucking, sucking, eating, drinking, napping and so on. Oh fuck she turned out to be from Issan, I better go back and ask for a refund ha ha. I have added her to my list of regulars. I don't plan on divulging her Baccara number since she will turn her head at you all when you offer her 1500 LT LOL. I don`t want her to run back home anytime soon. But none of you would be interested anyways I think, LOL.
Model Chaser
03-11-12, 18:10
How were gogos 20 years ago? Don't tell me they were full of stunners wall-to-wall?
Though it's hard to believe they were. 20, 25 years ago the average girl in the gogos was gorgeous. At least 50-75% were what we call stunners today and allmost all were very attractive by todays standards.
If you can get into one of the higher end Japanese oriented bars you'll still see this; they are full of beauties. The real deal is that the Thai's are keeping the best for themselves now days, and there are a lot more venues now so the available talent is spread more thinly on the ground.
The upcountry and Thai only places are packed with gorgeous, sweet lovelies. They move the girls into the farang venues if or when they aren't profitable in their own places. If you go with a Thai friend to a place in Sukhothai or Khorat the girls are almost all drop dead gorgeous.
Errr what? Well, for one thing I am glad you were busy gathering empirical data 25yrs ago so that you could shed your wisdom on these forums in the 21st century.
From the few pictures I've seen of bargirls from the 80s and 90s, fashion trends aside, they don't look much different from the bargirls in photos taken more recently.
My first time to BKK was in 2006 and the last was in 2011. I've always had the sense that there were stunners to be had (and for me that equates to a leggy, hardbody runway type) during this time period. Comments that these bars were chock full of stunners in the 80s is just a silly, baseless comment. I suppose back then there were no Thai or Japanese only places to scoop up all the beauties, or did a plague of butt-ugliness sweep through the country twenty years ago?
Likely 20 years of exposure has made you jaded, which is entirely understandable.
Errr what? Well, for one thing I am glad you were busy gathering empirical data 25yrs ago so that you could shed your wisdom on these forums in the 21st century.
From the few pictures I've seen of bargirls from the 80s and 90s, fashion trends aside, they don't look much different from the bargirls in photos taken more recently.
My first time to BKK was in 2006 and the last was in 2011. I've always had the sense that there were stunners to be had (and for me that equates to a leggy, hardbody runway type) during this time period. Comments that these bars were chock full of stunners in the 80s is just a silly, baseless comment. I suppose back then there were no Thai or Japanese only places to scoop up all the beauties, or did a plague of butt-ugliness sweep through the country twenty years ago?
Likely 20 years of exposure has made you jaded, which is entirely understandable.This comports with everything I've heard from my friends who have been in (or going to) Thailand since the 80's. Of course the legend of greener pastures sounds good and all, but it really makes zero sense. And as anyone who has been there in the last decade can attest, there's still plenty of hotties. This sounds like of like the (stupid) price myth in disguise, to me; regardless, it's not in the least bit useful information.
For hotties, go. Well, anywhere. You'll find hot Thai girls abundantly in Bangkok. The three red light districts, late night outside Nana, late night discos, earlier clubs -- they are everywhere.
Perhaps there were indeed better times (not unbelievable) , but it really isn't bad in Bangkok (or Thailand) at all now. In fact, it's great. Anyone who says otherwise has ulterior motives, or is just too spoiled or too cheap (or both) to enjoy it.
-B-
Well I I have to say is what a fuck! All positions available, DATY, BBBJ, anal, tit fucking, what a total GFE / PSE rolled into one. I did not let her go until the next day at 6pm. We spent all night and next day fucking, sucking, eating, drinking, napping and so on.Great report. So much for go-go beauties supposedly being terrible and overpriced experiences as we keep hearing here all the time. LOL
JerseyShoreSun
03-11-12, 20:41
Now that's what we call a true GFE! Looks like you both really hit it off. Good on you mate! Who says you can't find chemistry in a GoGo bar pickup?
Ok my report from the land of hell. I went to Barraca again, my favorite Soi Cowboy bar, line up always spectacular. She agrees to have a drink with me when she finished changing. After the mandatory two drink and bar fine rule we were off to my condo. Ok boys don't faint now but we agreed 4000LT. Well I I have to say is what a fuck! All positions available, DATY, BBBJ, anal, tit fucking, what a total GFE / PSE rolled into one. I did not let her go until the next day at 6pm. We spent all night and next day fucking, sucking, eating, drinking, napping and so on.
GentleBoner
03-12-12, 01:30
Now that's what we call a true GFE! Looks like you both really hit it off. Good on you mate! Who says you can't find chemistry in a GoGo bar pickup?For 4000 baht you should be able to find whatever you want.
Mr Enternational
03-12-12, 06:48
LOL you guys make me laugh and laugh every time I log on. I hope and hope to find useful reports. First BKK water, then flowers, always the price issue, and now all the girls in BKK are dogs LOL. Ok enough LOL. Jackson shut down the Thailand forum, Bangkok is no longer a good place to monger. Prices are too high, you can't drink the tap water, can't find a decent orchid (that one is my favorite) , taxis are too expensive,Taxi Meter Rates Set to Increase in Mid-April.
BANGKOK:. The Transport Ministry has approved an increase in taxi meter rates planned to go into effect on April 16.
Phum Palang Taxi Cooperative manager, Kasemsan Chompoodaeng, said the Land Transport Department under the Transport Ministry approved the meter rate increase. However, he said the ministry has not yet concluded what form the price increase will take.
The Land Transport Department will discuss with the Energy Ministry, the PTT and taxi operators. All details will be finalized by April 16, which is the date that the new fares will begin.
As of now, four forms of fare hikes have been proposed. Firstly, the startling price of a cab will be maintained at 35 baht, while meter rates per mile will increase. Conversely, an alternative proposal is to increase the starting price to 40, 45 or 50 baht.
Kasemsan stated that taxi operators have been minimally affected by the energy price hike since the PTT has shouldered most of the burden on the Natural Gas for Vehicles, or NGV, at two baht a liter from January 16 through April 16.
After that, the taxi operators will be facing a gas price hike, so they will be forced to raise taxi fares. Moreover, the Transport Ministry will improve the standard of taxi services.
As of now, there are around 100, 000 cabs, and only 80, 000 of them has registered with the Ministry. The Ministry will set a limit on the number of cabs so that taxis do not outnumber passengers.
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/540130-thai-taxi-meter-rates-set-to-increase-in-mid-april/
DrivingForce
03-12-12, 08:29
Tired of bath place I don't like bath because not clean.
Can someone reccomend some quick but good quality service?
If you have good contact please pm me thanks
Errr what? Well, for one thing I am glad you were busy gathering empirical data 25yrs ago so that you could shed your wisdom on these forums in the 21st century.
From the few pictures I've seen of bargirls from the 80s and 90s, fashion trends aside, they don't look much different from the bargirls in photos taken more recently.
My first time to BKK was in 2006 and the last was in 2011. I've always had the sense that there were stunners to be had (and for me that equates to a leggy, hardbody runway type) during this time period. Comments that these bars were chock full of stunners in the 80s is just a silly, baseless comment. I suppose back then there were no Thai or Japanese only places to scoop up all the beauties, or did a plague of butt-ugliness sweep through the country twenty years ago?
Likely 20 years of exposure has made you jaded, which is entirely understandable.Lest you forget, even 6-7 years ago the girls had no concept of g-strings or even remotely sexy underwear. You'd pull a stunner, take her home, and she'd be wearing the goofiest set of undergarments you'd ever laid eyes on. The concept of fashion in Bangkok, both under and out, in recent years has really been a joy to behold.
LOL you guys make me laugh and laugh every time I log on. I hope and hope to find useful reports. First BKK water, then flowers, always the price issue, and now all the girls in BKK are dogs LOL. Ok enough LOL. Jackson shut down the Thailand forum, Bangkok is no longer a good place to monger. Prices are too high, you can't drink the tap water, can't find a decent orchid (that one is my favorite) , taxis are too expensive, the girls are ugly, they are all from Issan, Nana plaza is a dump, too many lady boys, Go go's are a rip off, too many Indians selling fake watches, Thermae closed its doors and reopened in Japan, the Japanese and myself pay too much to the girls driving prices up, and oh I can't forget the flood that will come every year! Why do you all come here to visit and live if you complain so much?
Ok my report from the land of hell. I went to Barraca again, my favorite Soi Cowboy bar, line up always spectacular. There was a special show with five girls downstairs who all got completely naked on stage, normally only topless upstairs. A fair skinned beauty with long black hair caught my eye. Beautiful pussy and nice 36 see breasts. After her show I quickly moved to intercept her as she was going back upstairs to change her clothes. She agrees to have a drink with me when she finished changing. After the mandatory two drink and bar fine rule we were off to my condo. Ok boys don't faint now but we agreed 4000LT. Well I I have to say is what a fuck! All positions available, DATY, BBBJ, anal, tit fucking, what a total GFE / PSE rolled into one. I did not let her go until the next day at 6pm. We spent all night and next day fucking, sucking, eating, drinking, napping and so on. Oh fuck she turned out to be from Issan, I better go back and ask for a refund ha ha. I have added her to my list of regulars. I don't plan on divulging her Baccara number since she will turn her head at you all when you offer her 1500 LT LOL. I don`t want her to run back home anytime soon. But none of you would be interested anyways I think, LOL.At 4000 plus the 700 baht barfine, plus the 2 drinks at 150 or whatever baht, plus throw in hotels and travel fees to get to Bangkok, I imagine that is what a couple of first class escorts overseas might run one for an hour. Then again, if a $200 dinner is that tasty to the diner, well, it must have been worth every penny!
Great report. So much for go-go beauties supposedly being terrible and overpriced experiences as we keep hearing here all the time. LOLWell I couldn't agree more. Hopefully the story was all true, but I treat all reports as stories that may be true. Bar girls can certainly perform when they want to and especially if they are in the mood. Some of the truly great girls are probably also capable of being terrible when the chemistry wasn't there.
I find if I pick girls that firstly dance well above average, have good looks and body, make good joke around conversation, and a little bit boisterous (but not too much) , then they usually turn out to be girls that like good sex a lot. There are plenty of orgasmic Thai bar-girls, and a percentage of duds. I find I have not chosen many duds in the last 2 years. Experience allows to make better choices. Some girls improve a lot with subsequent bookings, others go down hill.
Mr Enternational
03-12-12, 14:59
Well I couldn't agree more. Hopefully the story was all true, but I treat all reports as stories that may be true. Bar girls can certainly perform when they want to and especially if they are in the mood. Some of the truly great girls are probably also capable of being terrible when the chemistry wasn't there.You find many guys talk about an oily girl, a gogo girl, a bar girl, etc. and the differences. But what about a girl who regularly crosses over from one venue to another? I don't think it is so safe to generalize. Last night I was in a disco in Pattaya and saw a girl that I liked. I waved her over to my table but she insisted that I come to the table with her and her two friends. She told me that she would go with me but she was on her period so she would only be able to do BJ and HJ. She recommended that I should choose another girl if I wanted FS. I told her that I didn't care about her period I would fuck her anyway. She finally came clean and said that she did not have her period, she was just scared because my dick may be too big for her. I reassured her telling her that it is really small. She grabbed my crotch and said no it is really big. I talked her into coming and she asked me how much I would give her. I asked her how much I needed to give her. She said 2000 and I shook my head no. She said 1500 and I shook my head no again. She said how much do you give me then? I held up one finger in front of my nose and said neung pun. She asked short time? I laughed and said no long time. She agreed and bid her friends adieu. It was 3:40am.
As we were walking back to my motorbike she said she had to stop at a bar to get her bag. After she got the bag she told me that she works at the bar, but each day she can decide if she works or not. If she works she has to be there from 6pm until 2am. If a customer pays a 300 baht bar fine the owner gives her 100 baht, and she gets 50 baht from each lady drink. She said that 8 hours is too long to be in a bar and 6pm for her was too early to be going to work.
I had noticed in the disco that she had hazel contact lenses. When we got into the elevator at my place she showed me that one of her eyelashes had come off. I said oh my Buddha. Fake eyes, fake eyelashes. Do not tell me those (pointing to her tits) are fake. She said yes they are. LOL. She is 21 and got them when she was 18 years and 2 months. She said it took her a while to save up the 60,000 baht to buy them. It leads me to believe that she must have been working before age 18. It was a very good boob job though. They made incisions in her armpit to insert the silicone. I teased her that everyone was going to think she was a ladyboy since she had fake tits.
We came into the room and took showers. A BBBJ ensued but then I wanted to start fucking. She was really afraid and showed me her micro-sized pussy. Now I realized why she was scared. She took KY from her bag and applied it liberally. We started off in mish. Very tight she was. I pulled her on top of me with one of my signature moves. When she got used to the size she rode me like a champ. We went to doggy but that was hurting too much for her. She ran into the bathroom and washed off some of the wetness. She came back and showed me where the skin at the bottom of her pussy had split. But she was willing to take more. We went back to mish and showed me how she could make her pussy pulsate. We finished and went to sleep.
I took her home at 2pm when a buddy called me wanting to get together. She called me about 4:30 while we were out and about asking if I was ready to pick her up again. I'm thinking damn I just dropped your ass off. But I told her that I would call to let her know later if I wanted her to come over again. I will definitely repeat, but not today.
Traveler1234
03-12-12, 15:18
Oh fuck she turned out to be from Issan, I better go back and ask for a refund ha ha. I have added her to my list of regulars. I don't plan on divulging her Baccara number since she will turn her head at you all when you offer her 1500 LT LOL. I don`t want her to run back home anytime soon. But none of you would be interested anyways I think, LOL.I'm willing to bet that half the guys who were complaining the past couple of weeks will be filling your pm box with requests for a phone number!
Great post.
GentleBoner
03-12-12, 15:20
Anyone know a good place to try some BDSM / fetish type stuff?
I don't know if I'm really too into it, but want to try it out.
Taxi Meter Rates Set to Increase in Mid-April.
BANGKOK:. The Transport Ministry has approved an increase in taxi meter rates planned to go into effect on April 16.
Phum Palang Taxi Cooperative manager, Kasemsan Chompoodaeng, said the Land Transport Department under the Transport Ministry approved the meter rate increase. However, he said the ministry has not yet concluded what form the price increase will take.
The Land Transport Department will discuss with the Energy Ministry, the PTT and taxi operators. All details will be finalized by April 16, which is the date that the new fares will begin.
As of now, four forms of fare hikes have been proposed. Firstly, the startling price of a cab will be maintained at 35 baht, while meter rates per mile will increase. Conversely, an alternative proposal is to increase the starting price to 40, 45 or 50 baht.
Kasemsan stated that taxi operators have been minimally affected by the energy price hike since the PTT has shouldered most of the burden on the Natural Gas for Vehicles, or NGV, at two baht a liter from January 16 through April 16.
After that, the taxi operators will be facing a gas price hike, so they will be forced to raise taxi fares. Moreover, the Transport Ministry will improve the standard of taxi services.
As of now, there are around 100,000 cabs, and only 80,000 of them has registered with the Ministry. The Ministry will set a limit on the number of cabs so that taxis do not outnumber passengers.
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/540130-thai-taxi-meter-rates-set-to-increase-in-mid-april/Ok guys time to pull all the stops. If you want to go out now, don't use the taxis. Let's petition the Bangkok government to run MRT and BTS 24 hours. I can see it now. All you guys taking your dates home on the MRT and BTS. In the future we can even make it a new mongering destination. Girls will sit on the trains while the farangs proposition them. No lady drinks, no bar fines, no taxis, what a life for you guys! Car number 1,500 Baht LT, full of ugly ass lady boys and the 50 and up girls. Car number 2 and so on, you get the point. It's called inflation LOL, deal with it!
Crazy4Thai
03-12-12, 15:42
(snip) Why do you all come here to visit and live if you complain so much?
SnipYou know Morris I've thought of you many times when I've read reports of people enjoying themselves here in Thailand. (not just the Bangkok thread, if you insist on nit-picking. I'm thinking you will.)
I'm glad you had a great time but if you think you are the only one then you are reading selectively.
I say why do YOU continue to to complain on the Bangkok thread?
C4T
well i'm back in the shit hole for mongering the good old states. after a week at the dynasty grande. witch is in a good location for action. started the day off at [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s on the way to breakfast. then a few massage places and fl's. spent most evenings in billboard's. the best looking girls in there were the bubble girls. the best set is at the end of the little stage were they shower off the bubbles. had drinks with some of the girls. i asked one girl that wares a flower in her hair about lt. she told me only st. 600 barfine. 300 room. 2000 for here. i asked her age and she did not answer right away. then she said 18. i did not partake as she did not answer fast enough for me. late that night i did see some of the bubble girls over at nana liquid disco. the next night in billboard i had a few drinks with the girls and they were all very playful. i meet a fellow statesmen there and we talks for a while about the girls. if he reads this, #159 on the top left would nit have a drink with me. mamasan talked with her for about 15 minutes then told me she was booked for the night. had fun with a girl named nelly and she wanted me to take the girl that did not no her age so i said no and we all went over to liquid later and had a few drinks.
Tony Hoeprano
03-12-12, 22:17
You find many guys talk about an oily girl, a gogo girl, a bar girl, etc. and the differences. But what about a girl who regularly crosses over from one venue to another? I don't think it is so safe to generalize. .I would surmise it would be similar to the real workforce where people quit their current job and move on to so-called greener pastures- more money, better working environment, bored, less stress, more fun, their friends work there. Etc IMO, the laziest ones are the pure freelancers who do nothing but watch TV all day and play on Facebook, then turn a few tricks here and there when they need some money or have a few regulars on the side.
What about the G-club girls and the high end massage girls? Do they ever cross over? I guess a girl who has poor social skills would work out better at massage joint, all she has to do is buck, suck and fuck. Whereas, a a G-club girl has to get her hustle and grind one, create the illusion that she likes her clients and have them keep coming back for more.
Sushilover808
03-13-12, 03:10
IMHO, BKK has really changed since I hung out here in June 2010. I found the same SW near the Nana parking lot who remembered me and had charged me 1500 baht for ST anal now wanted 2000 baht for ST Anal. I had found similar results for girls asking for 1500 to 2000 ST baht on my walk back to my hotel from Nana to Asoke station.
There seems to be a nice selection of girls on the street after Thermae cafe headed toward Askoe away from Nana. This is where I found Noy, a 22 year old tiny spinner who went ST FS for 1000 baht. No anal but ok service. (As always, PM for number.) Tonight is my last night in BKK so I'll be out again. We are gonna party at Suzie Wongs around 10 PM tonight! Thanks again to all those that helped me with my questions earlier.
Ok guys time to pull all the stops. If you want to go out now, don't use the taxis. Let's petition the Bangkok government to run MRT and BTS 24 hours. I can see it now. All you guys taking your dates home on the MRT and BTS. In the future we can even make it a new mongering destination. Girls will sit on the trains while the farangs proposition them. No lady drinks, no bar fines, no taxis, what a life for you guys! Car number 1,500 Baht LT, full of ugly ass lady boys and the 50 and up girls. Car number 2 and so on, you get the point. It's called inflation LOL, deal with it!For me, your posts were better when you left the satire out. With satire, I just can't be bothered to read it properly. Real life adventures can be much funnier or more interesting. Was good that a previous writer presented hopefully factual information about taxi fares, so that we don't get surprised by it.
You find many guys talk about an oily girl, a gogo girl, a bar girl, etc. and the differences. But what about a girl who regularly crosses over from one venue to another? I don't think it is so safe to generalize. Last night I was in a disco in Pattaya and saw a girl that I liked. I waved her over to my table but she insisted that I come to the table with her and her two friends. She told me that she would go with me but she was on her period so she would only be able to do BJ and HJ. <snip>An interesting read.
What crossover? At first I thought you were going to describe a girl that works MP and bar, which would be very strange. Sounds like a normal free-lance bargirl to me. We can't ban bar-girls from attending discos at times. Free-lance girls can do as they please and turn up to bar when they feel like it, but they usually don't want to fuck for free. Anyway describing prices for a Pattaya girl is a little misplaced in this thread.
My favourite bar-girl is a free-lancer and I respect that. It gives her freedom to do what she likes and still make some money to finance her part-time studies.
Its also well known that many bar-girls, who didn't make enough money in the bar, subsequently end up at other pick up places like discos, Nana car park, on the street, etc. Because they need some more money.
In the photos, even with bra on, they are very obvious fakes, so you should not have been surprised.
Yesterday I saw a real stunner on the BTS but her tits were just too high and convex on top. So I thought 90% chance of silicones or else very push-up bra.
I have been told no fucking due to period, then later fucked the girl anyway, since I didn't care, and usual condom precaution. Like you I don't have strong blood phobia unless have cuts in pubic area. I go with concept that condom protects very well against HIV and most other STDs. I wouldn't do DATY in this situation though.
Pahllus Maximus
03-13-12, 06:18
Hi.
Speaking of their ad "going the extra mile", anyone know of where they get girls in that get-up or where I can score a uniform (maybe get a tailor to make one, with velcro for quick tear off and crutchless panties?)
Maybe there should be a theme bar with cooperative air crew? Names anyone?"BJ Class","Flights with Benefits","Soi Cowboy Airways"?
Maybe they already have one in Japan?
Aey Annies
03-13-12, 08:31
Hi.
Speaking of their ad "going the extra mile", anyone know of where they get girls in that get-up or where I can score a uniform (maybe get a tailor to make one, with velcro for quick tear off and crutchless panties?)
Maybe there should be a theme bar with cooperative air crew? Names anyone?"BJ Class","Flights with Benefits","Soi Cowboy Airways"?
Maybe they already have one in Japan?Annie's 3 days week has.
Air lady uniform.
Cheer leader uniform.
Sailor / police uniform
AussieDoug
03-13-12, 10:10
Anyone know a good place to try some BDSM / fetish type stuff?
I don't know if I'm really too into it, but want to try it out.There's a place in Soi 33 named Demonia I think. Watch out for grannys, insist on the youngest in the place.
Western787
03-13-12, 13:24
Annie's 3 days week has.
Air lady uniform.
Cheer leader uniform.
Sailor / police uniformNever flown Thai Airways, but wow they really have great ads, and I understand they all have to change into formal traditional outfits once they get on the plane. Here's (hot) Thai singer Pat Suthasinee) singing "Touched", very catchy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lflsrPBIqW4&feature=fvst
Thaiair is fine but, try Singaporeair, outstanding! I have flown Japanese airlines, they are so so.
Was in BKK on Monday for a quick daily stop over.
Paid a visit to Nana Hotel MP for "shaving", not the beard, where a skilled lady does the job in a proper way and offered waxing (I denied for this time, must got her number for next visit)
I also had a quick look around.
Noon time is of course not the most appropriate time of the day to judge business at soi 4 and surroundings. But when I passed by at 8. 30pm heading to airport I saw quite lack of folks in the area and also on the usual busy sidewalks of Sukhumvit.
Has anybody seen a down in the business?
I will check next week when I spend 2 nights and can monitor during the mongering hours.
But having looked also at the bars of Soi 33 at 8pm I really feel the business is calm.
Should be a buyer market.
El Kapitan
03-14-12, 01:56
Staying a short 20 hrs in Bangkok for 1st time. Would like a good massage from hot girl with a HJ. I know I'm in the right country but could use some assistance on places close to the hotel or that provide outcall.
Thanks!
EK
Staying a short 20 hrs in Bangkok for 1st time. Would like a good massage from hot girl with a HJ. I know I'm in the right country but could use some assistance on places close to the hotel or that provide outcall.
Thanks!
EKNice hotel, but not much of a neighborhood for fun stuff. Outcall is your best bet. (or a taxi to one of the better areas for play.)
When I was there I arrived at 1AM. The bellman that showed me to my room offered to get me massage girl. 20 minutes later she was there and she spent the night. 500baht tip to the bellman. 2000 for the girl. It was the perfect finish to 28 hours of travel.
Pogo
Has anybody seen a down in the business?Absolutely. MPs normally with a lot of Farang business have been light on for customers.
Never flown Thai Airways, but wow they really have great ads, and I understand they all have to change into formal traditional outfits once they get on the plane.Ads mean nothing. I use Thai a lot but it is a middle of the road airline. Not great and not really bad. Singapore is way out in front as other poster mentioned."Singapore Girls" can make a long flight pass quickly. Singapore had better movies selection, better food, and really everything better last time I used them.
Western787
03-14-12, 07:30
Ads mean nothing. I use Thai a lot but it is a middle of the road airline. Not great and not really bad. Singapore is way out in front as other poster mentioned."Singapore Girls" can make a long flight pass quickly. Singapore had better movies selection, better food, and really everything better last time I used them.Perhaps true, however I believe Thai was one of the very few, if any, doing non stop (via 4 engine ETOP exempted planes) NYC to Bangkok, obviously very pricey, but now discontinued with the same fate for their non-stop L. A. To Bangkok service. Now its mostly ETOPs and twin engines and stopovers. International trans-oceanic routes are one the few places left where you can a touch of glamour along with a meal. Domestic USA is basically peanuts and angry flight attendants.
I have a 15 hour layover in Bangkok on a Thurs night. I don't get in until 11:30P though. What would be my best bet? Looks like Soi Cowboy is open until around 2:30, Nightclubs later, soapies closed. I have been to Nana plaza a few years back and enjoyed it, but that is all I have done. Yes I have RTFF, but the search feature is not working correctly for me after I log in. Gives me links that are to wrong posts. No idea why, but research is a little challenging and trip fastly approaching.
Absolutely. MPs normally with a lot of Farang business have been light on for customers.Any idea why?
El Kapitan
03-14-12, 11:13
Nice hotel, but not much of a neighborhood for fun stuff. Outcall is your best bet. (or a taxi to one of the better areas for play.)
When I was there I arrived at 1AM. The bellman that showed me to my room offered to get me massage girl. 20 minutes later she was there and she spent the night. 500baht tip to the bellman. 2000 for the girl. It was the perfect finish to 28 hours of travel.
PogoThanks Pogo!
Hi guys,
Just a quick questions. What areas of Bangkok do you recommend to try and find a hotel in (being a first-timer in Bangkok)?
It's rather difficult to decide on accommodation as you'd like somewhere nice and with girl action. But I've got no clue in what area to search.
Thanks in advance
Cutty Sark
03-14-12, 17:09
Hi guys,
Just a quick questions. What areas of Bangkok do you recommend to try and find a hotel in (being a first-timer in Bangkok)?
It's rather difficult to decide on accommodation as you'd like somewhere nice and with girl action. But I've got no clue in what area to search.
Thanks in advanceI always stay at the Novotel on Siam square. It is a mid-price nice hotel. Right next to all the big malls and metro and has a good in-house pick up bar / disco (called CM2). Or, you can take a ride to Nana or Soi Cowboy and bring your own girl, simple no-cost registration at the desk and they allow the girl to go to your room.
Cutty Sark
03-14-12, 17:14
I have a 15 hour layover in Bangkok on a Thurs night. I don't get in until 11:30P though. What would be my best bet? Looks like Soi Cowboy is open until around 2:30, Nightclubs later, soapies closed. I have been to Nana plaza a few years back and enjoyed it, but that is all I have done. Yes I have RTFF, but the search feature is not working correctly for me after I log in. Gives me links that are to wrong posts. No idea why, but research is a little challenging and trip fastly approaching.Again, as I suggested to Neew, Novotel on Siam square is a good bet. You can check in, pick up a girl from their disc and take her to your room. Disc is open until about 2 am, I think.
Hi guys,
Just a quick questions. What areas of Bangkok do you recommend to try and find a hotel in (being a first-timer in Bangkok)?
It's rather difficult to decide on accommodation as you'd like somewhere nice and with girl action. But I've got no clue in what area to search.
Thanks in advanceDepends on what you are looking for but since you posted the question in this forum I will assume that girls are part of the equation. If that is the case, look for something in the Nana / Soi 4 / lower Sukhumvit area. Anywhere from Soi 4 (intersects Sukhumvit which is a main drag) to Soi 17 is fine. Lots of restaurants, tourists, internet cafes, bars, billiards, hotels at all price ranges and so on. And girls. Lots of them.
That being said, however, I haven't seen a decline in quality in the Nana Car Park since 2007.Really? Really? NPL on an average night 5 years ago would get over 100 girls. When the Nana disco closed that number would shoot up. Lots of young things. Girls would still be coming out till 3am. Now on a given night you might get 20 and they are basically the same 20 every night and have been for the past 2-3 years. Not to notice this decline is hard to imagine. Beauty may be in the eyes of the beholder but numbers are numbers. The cops have scared all but the brave and desperate away.
Really? Really? NPL on an average night 5 years ago would get over 100 girls. When the Nana disco closed that number would shoot up. Lots of young things. Girls would still be coming out till 3am. Now on a given night you might get 20 and they are basically the same 20 every night and have been for the past 2-3 years. Not to notice this decline is hard to imagine. Beauty may be in the eyes of the beholder but numbers are numbers. The cops have scared all but the brave and desperate away.Not just the cops but the change in demographics over the last few years has scared a lot of the gals away. The area was always a bit shabby, but it is downright disgusting now.
Not just the cops but the change in demographics over the last few years has scared a lot of the gals away. The area was always a bit shabby, but it is downright disgusting now.?? HUH? Nana being shabby and disgusting is what makes it great.
Stay in Sukhumvit around Soi 3, 7 or anywhere along there. Do not go to Riverside. I've been there the last two nights and didn't even get laid.
Hi guys,
Just a quick questions. What areas of Bangkok do you recommend to try and find a hotel in (being a first-timer in Bangkok)?
It's rather difficult to decide on accommodation as you'd like somewhere nice and with girl action. But I've got no clue in what area to search.
Thanks in advance
?? HUH? Nana being shabby and disgusting is what makes it great.Not to the point where the girls, except for the most hardcore skanks, are uncomfortable being there. Nana was always funky and that was wonderful. Now it is just dirty, trash on the streets and as I said very undesirable with the change of demographics.
Not to the point where the girls, except for the most hardcore skanks, are uncomfortable being there. Nana was always funky and that was wonderful. Now it is just dirty, trash on the streets and as I said very undesirable with the change of demographics.Just different of opinions I guess. You are buying a low end Bangkok SW. Not a Mercedes Benz. When was it ever clean?
To me the overall atmosphere and element in that area adds to the experience. That is why I go there.
That being said, however, I haven't seen a decline in quality in the Nana Car Park since 2007.
Really? Really? NPL on an average night 5 years ago would get over 100 girls. When the Nana disco closed that number would shoot up. Lots of young things. Girls would still be coming out till 3am. Now on a given night you might get 20 and they are basically the same 20 every night and have been for the past 2-3 years. Not to notice this decline is hard to imagine. Beauty may be in the eyes of the beholder but numbers are numbers. The cops have scared all but the brave and desperate away.This is a comedy of errors. First it seems you only read half of my post which spoke of "quality" and responded to that. But in your response, quoted here, to the subject of "quality" you are speaking of something completely different, namely QUANTITY. Secondly, if you had read my entire post, I already stated that from my observations the Nana Parking Lot numbers this year were down in the evenings.
For years here I've read many disparaging comments like yours about the Nana Car Park (NCP) & have responded accordingly. Of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For example, most of the pics in the photo thread, even those that claim to be attractive, hot or stunners, I wouldn't go with if they paid me.
That being said, however, I haven't seen a decline in quality in the Nana Car Park since 2007. The price is generally the same, namely 1000 Baht ST. The looks are still there. The service is, if anything, better. Overall my experience certainly is. Last year I was amazed at the bodies of some of those I picked up. This year I haven't got out a lot, as I have my regulars I call but, from my observations, the numbers seem to be down for the evening workers, but up for the daytime. Some girls are also working the street nearby. Or indoors at bars & places like the Beergarden on soi 7. These changes are, I think, at least in part to avoid the LE raids to fine them (pocket) 1000 baht a head. As usual there is always the fresh meat; the new kids in town, from Bumfuck Isaarn. Last year, before the floods, when I paid a couple visits to Rainbow 4 in NEP, the lineup on the streets was better IMO. Also, of course, much cheaper, & probably better service & attitude as well.
Tony Hoeprano
03-15-12, 05:45
It's a parking lot, what do people expect to find there, Kim Kardashian for 1k baht ST?
Majestic suites or nana hotel is best for first timer.Really? Majestic Suites is not the best value for money in my experience, and Nana Hotel is just too shitty.
I would suggest Dynasty Grande, or Dawin in that area, or President Palace in Soi 11.
Sorry I'm in the wrong thread.
did you [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) her?no, she was fine with it once she realised a little crimson would not put me off. sometimes girls on period are actually extra horny because of time of month and because didn't get any for a few days. other girls will not do it at all when period. it just depends on their beliefs and reasons.
Good massage, hot girl, and handjob. 2 out of3 is possible. I seriously doubt you get all 3 in one girl. LOLRight. The number of hotties really expert in massage is a little bit limited, but the HJ is not a problem. Not sure why someone would want a HJ only when could get BJ as well, but each to their own. Perhaps its to increase the chances of getting all 3.
Crocodilexp
03-15-12, 07:07
Just different of opinions I guess. You are buying a low end Bangkok SW. Not a Mercedes Benz. When was it ever clean? To me the overall atmosphere and element in that area adds to the experience. That is why I go there.I like the thrill too. However, there's a difference between 5% diamonds in the rough and 5% acceptably rough among the absolutely revolting.
Few years back (up to 2007 or 2008) one could find true gems among the freelancers on lower Sukhumwit. On the patch between Soi 3 and 7 I remember finding more than a few 20-25 whyear old fresh freelancers, many out there part-time.
The area the is now mostly frequented by sub-Saharan and ex-Soviet refuse, along with way-beyond-expiration date full-time Thai skanks. The best one can hope for is one of the girls in business since the old times, but now 5 years older and far more crude now after 10, 000 miles of dick. No new entrants, and the good ones quit the business.
Bangkok freelancer scene is no longer worth a shot. Of course for newbies without a reference point, any place with 100+ working girls may seem like a good deal.
I like the thrill too. However, there's a difference between 5% diamonds in the rough and 5% acceptably rough among the absolutely revolting.
Few years back (up to 2007 or 2008) one could find true gems among the freelancers on lower Sukhumwit. On the patch between Soi 3 and 7 I remember finding more than a few 20-25 whyear old fresh freelancers, many out there part-time.
The area the is now mostly frequented by sub-Saharan and ex-Soviet refuse, along with way-beyond-expiration date full-time Thai skanks. The best one can hope for is one of the girls in business since the old times, but now 5 years older and far more crude now after 10, 000 miles of dick. No new entrants, and the good ones quit the business.
Bangkok freelancer scene is no longer worth a shot. Of course for newbies without a reference point, any place with 100+ working girls may seem like a good deal.Croc,
Very well stated, and the caliber of the working girls is just one of the problems. The new "customers" in the area leave a lot to be desired as well.
The freelancer scene is awful, well, in the high end hotel and late night discos, it is ok, but those girls would have been the norm in the BG Soi 7 or Thermae five or six years ago. Paying those prices, one might as well move home.
It's a parking lot, what do people expect to find there, Kim Kardashian for 1k baht ST?Nana lot was great when it was the emptying ground for Nana Plaza. Gals would stream out looking for another ST. 1k baht the rule. Now they make so much money, they have little interest overtime. It is amazing what a sixth grade educated gal from the sticks with a decent body can make now. Many far more than someone with a MBA and years of experience. Puts them way out of touch with the realities of this country, but they will get old! Seem them all the time. Gals that were in their prime when I moved here. Now sad old prostitutes. Should have latched onto a man years ago. Oh, well!
GentleBoner
03-15-12, 08:11
I've never understood why the BKK freelancer scene isn't any good.
It's very good in Phuket and Pattaya.
I've never understood why the BKK freelancer scene isn't any good.
It's very good in Phuket and Pattaya.Several times last year in the low season when I went to the Nana Parking Lot, I was the only guy there & had my pick of about 30 ladies, many of whom I had never seen before, including pretty young university girls.
It's a parking lot, what do people expect to find there, Kim Kardashian for 1k baht ST?Just walk around pretending you're Lamar Odom and you might get lucky.
I like the thrill too. However, there's a difference between 5% diamonds in the rough and 5% acceptably rough among the absolutely revolting.
Few years back (up to 2007 or 2008) one could find true gems among the freelancers on lower Sukhumwit. On the patch between Soi 3 and 7 I remember finding more than a few 20-25 whyear old fresh freelancers, many out there part-time.
The area the is now mostly frequented by sub-Saharan and ex-Soviet refuse, along with way-beyond-expiration date full-time Thai skanks. The best one can hope for is one of the girls in business since the old times, but now 5 years older and far more crude now after 10, 000 miles of dick. No new entrants, and the good ones quit the business.
Bangkok freelancer scene is no longer worth a shot. Of course for newbies without a reference point, any place with 100+ working girls may seem like a good deal.Five years back, there was exponentially whatever percentage less of Thai internet information, monger information, et al. Five years back, there were exponentially less work opportunities available. Five years back, there were far fewer girls working the internet, chat rooms, web cams, or finding sugar daddies on such a level as now. Not to mention that 7-8 years back you had a free disco across from Nana where hundreds of girls went, plus the entire Nana Plaza traffic coming across into the parking lot. There was such a pool of talent, it was probably a lot easier to find plenty of diamonds, not to mention that the girls seemed a lot more game just to be happy to find a customer, as opposed to going on about the price or time. These days, if one is a regular on the scene, one notices that it really is 98% or so of the same girls night in night out, and most of them are looking rather expired or about to be. And if they aren't expired, they want a premium for as short a time as possible.
All that said, there still are some diamonds. I walked into the Thermae the other night, full of Japanese and loads of girls not giving white guys the time of day. Was about to leave when I saw a young lady I'd never seen before seemingly smiling at me. I figured it must be the Japanese guy behind me she was looking at, as this girl was tall, model type build, white skin, very pretty. But no, further investigation revealed it was me she had the grin for. Came over, talked a few minutes, claimed to be a Ramkamhaeng student. 22, and that her friend had just brought her there. She asked if she could go home with me (!) , no discussion about cash, super performance, great attitude, made me feel 10 years younger. Gave her 1500 baht and she asked when she could visit again. So I guess for all the flak we give the scene these days, there are still those moments to be had. It will be a sad day if that ever is not the case.
It's a parking lot, what do people expect to find there, Kim Kardashian for 1k baht ST?But the point of this admittedly pointless discussion is that five years ago you could get lots of very nice 18-22 year old girls in NPL for 1000 baht. But admittedly everything changes and one just has to adapt. But not so easy for an old dog like myself who finds go-gos and massage parlors too commercial and industrial for comfort. But that's just me.
But the point of this admittedly pointless discussion is that five years ago you could get lots of very nice 18-22 year old girls in NPL for 1000 baht.Rose glasses. To some of us, the talent in Nana carpark has been pretty sparse for many years. I recall struggling to find anything of interest back 5 years ago, but I am picky. I only ever found 1 girl really worth repeating there, and she wasn't exactly stunning, so you can image I never been there too regularly. Cheap was possible. Many complete amateurs back then.
I've never understood why the BKK freelancer scene isn't any good.
It's very good in Phuket and Pattaya.Well I beg to differ. I think your question should be."I don't understand why I can't pick up a hot freelance chick for only 1000Baht". I have been to Insomnia, Thermae, and Climax. Climax is where I have had the most luck. When I mean luck, I mean with finding hot freelancer chicks, but unfortunately for you, not for 1000 Baht. Here is an example. Last weekend I went to Soi Cowboy and picked up a girl in Rio. Before going back to my place we decided to have a few drinks and listen to the band at Climax. Well this cutee got so drunk she could not go with me. I had to salvage my evening and this night there were so many hot girls there. I ended up finding another girl for 3000LT. She stayed until 2pm the next day. We talked about this very issue. She told me many guys will offer her 1000Baht or 1500Baht LT like it is a fortune to them. She does not even counter offer. She told me in her eyes they are cheap and it turns her off. She only does this part time and does not want to compromise on price when she can get more. Sometimes she goes to Hong Kong and can get 2000HKD or more LT so why would she accept 1000Baht or 1500Baht that these so called freelancers get who hang out in parking lots and beer gardens? Guys it is simple, most of the time if you want quality you have to pay unless you get lucky and find a freebie. LOL but even then you have to pay. For example I met a real cutee on Badoo. We went for dinner at CDC, Wine I Love You restaurant. The bill was 2700Baht. So guys in the end you pay for quality no matter what. If you want to spend 1000-1500Baht your girls looks will reflect that price. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder so to each their own. Anyone can spend a few Baht to get a simple lay, however I monger to fuck hot chicks, it is easy to pick up the average ones for free. To find a real beauty you have to wine and dine them sometimes for weeks to get into their pants and sometimes I would just like to skip all that. Paying a higher premium just seems to do the trick for me. In the end I get to fuck some really hot chicks.
Global Surfer
03-16-12, 02:19
The freelance customer isn't very good either. Nothing but guys who don't want spen over 1000 baht. Why would a hot chick want to deal with those people?
I've read in other forums Pattaya isn't better than BKK just cheaper!I think free lance seen is improving. Try beer garden. You can find CIS, uzbek and arab free lancers arround Grace Hotel and and Indian restaurant betwwen sukumvit and grace hotel
Tony Hoeprano
03-16-12, 02:45
Free Lance is hit or miss. Ironically, it seems that whenever you're out and about, but not looking for them, they're all over! But when you're on the freelance prowl, you can only find the kind you see in the photo section LOL
the cops have scared all but the brave and desperate away.the bib have been raiding entertainment places since the 1920's & the nana parking lot "street walkers" for years. although reports i recieved from working girls last year suggested the raids were getting more frequent, as often as 6 in a night. this year i am hearing that the multiple sweeps in an evening continue. furthermore, i was given the impression that the ladies may now be required to go to the station for processing, which involves such things as a mug shot, fingerprinting, [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) test, etc, and the fine has increased from 1000 to 2000 baht. this obviously takes time, which means loss of revenue, and may be embarassing. if the pussy seller or ladyboy cannot pay the fee, they are incarcerated for 10 days or 200 baht per day. although i am told if one begs and tells an officer that you don't have the 2000 & offer 1000, they may pocket it, return your i'd & set you free.
so, if true, this could explain why we are seeing fewer npl working ladies in 2012 as well as other sws in the area. instead of appearing as sws standing at a certain spot, they may be walking around the area trying to chat up or eyeball potential customers. like i said, look for them elsewhere in the neighborhood, like the nana hotel disco, nana liquid. from my experiences & reading, it is slow in the early evenings, but can get very crowded later.
as the le don't appear to do daytime raids, more sws are around then than before. the bars in soi 4, btw, seem much busier in the morning & afternoons now than in the low season last year.
from my contacts i am informed that ladyboys are the primary target of the bib due to the troubles they have been causing with assaulting, drugging & robbing farang clients.
the bib have been raiding entertainment places since the 1920's & the nana parking lot "street walkers" for years. although reports i recieved from working girls last year suggested the raids were getting more frequent, as often as 6 in a night. this year i am hearing that the multiple sweeps in an evening continue. furthermore, i was given the impression that the ladies may now be required to go to the station for processing, which involves such things as a mug shot, fingerprinting, [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) test, etc, and the fine has increased from 1000 to 2000 baht. this obviously takes time, which means loss of revenue, and may be embarassing. if the pussy seller or ladyboy cannot pay the fee, they are incarcerated for 10 days or 200 baht per day. although i am told if one begs and tells an officer that you don't have the 2000 & offer 1000, they may pocket it, return your i'd & set you free.
so, if true, this could explain why we are seeing fewer npl working ladies in 2012 as well as other sws in the area. instead of appearing as sws standing at a certain spot, they may be walking around the area trying to chat up or eyeball potential customers. like i said, look for them elsewhere in the neighborhood, like the nana hotel disco, nana liquid. from my experiences & reading, it is slow in the early evenings, but can get very crowded later.
as the le don't appear to do daytime raids, more sws are around then than before. the bars in soi 4, btw, seem much busier in the morning & afternoons now than in the low season last year.
from my contacts i am informed that ladyboys are the primary target of the bib due to the troubles they have been causing with assaulting, drugging & robbing farang clients.btw the reference to a bribe, offering 1000 to an officer, is at the scene of the "crime", not at the police station.
another reason some may feel is a cause of increased le hassles of sws is the policies of the new yingluck government.
Never flown Thai Airways, but wow they really have great ads, and I understand they all have to change into formal traditional outfits once they get on the plane. Here's (hot) Thai singer Pat Suthasinee) singing "Touched", very catchy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lflsrPBIqW4&feature=fvstHow about Cathay Pacific?
http://myxxxcentral.com/2011/08/pilot-and-stewardess-new-members-of-the-mile-high-club/
look for them elsewhere in the neighborhood, like the Nana hotel disco, Nana Liquid. From my experiences & reading, it is slow in the early evenings, but can get very crowded later.Have you or others been in Nana Liquid of late? It was taken over late last year by the owners of Billboard and Las Vegas and so I had hopes that they might turn it around. One girl who works in Billboard told me that the owners encourage the girls to go there after hours and that if they get guys to buy them drinks, they get the same as they do if someone buys them a drink in the go-go. Keep meaning to go but never seem to get around to it.
Have you or others been in Nana Liquid of late? It was taken over late last year by the owners of Billboard and Las Vegas and so I had hopes that they might turn it around. One girl who works in Billboard told me that the owners encourage the girls to go there after hours and that if they get guys to buy them drinks, they get the same as they do if someone buys them a drink in the go-go. Keep meaning to go but never seem to get around to it.I saw a farang gent go in there in the afternoon one day recently. The owner? It looks like they've may have been doing a bit renovations or something similar this month.
Also noticed some model types or total stunners in the near vicinity in the early evenings. One was hanging around out back near soi 4 using her phone, and the others sitting in the Nana hotel bar close to the entrance to Nana Liquid.
I've gone in a few times & it's been busy later on, certainly after 10 pm. It seems there is no entry fee & no one hassled me to buy anything or grabbed my arm as I did a walk through. I don't recall any cigarette smokers or extremely loud music. It was what I'd describe as crowded, perhaps all seating was taken as many people were standing or dancing, but the place is not big.
From my contacts I am informed that ladyboys are the primary target of the BIB due to the troubles they have been causing with assaulting, drugging & robbing farang clients.Last time I was there it was quite evident that LadyBoys were the main target or the police (who are not in blue of course) , and one or two wanted to sit with me where I was eating outside to look more innocuous, and they confirmed the police liked to hassle them. I have no clue what LE are.
Last time I was there it was quite evident that LadyBoys were the main target or the police (who are not in blue of course) , and one or two wanted to sit with me where I was eating outside to look more innocuous, and they confirmed the police liked to hassle them. I have no clue what LE are.LE is Law Enforcement.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/faq.php?faq=faq_wsgforum_01#faq_faq_terms
Mr Enternational
03-17-12, 07:06
Have you or others been in Nana Liquid of late? It was taken over late last year by the owners of Billboard and Las Vegas and so I had hopes that they might turn it around. One girl who works in Billboard told me that the owners encourage the girls to go there after hours and that if they get guys to buy them drinks, they get the same as they do if someone buys them a drink in the go-go. Keep meaning to go but never seem to get around to it.The couple of times that I have been to Liquid I could count the number of people on two hands. It was pretty empty. Nothing like the old Angels Disco. There was a live band. My experience was totally different from Pink Pearl's. I guess YMMV with this place.
GentleBoner
03-17-12, 11:13
Nana Liquid is a waste of time. Barely any available girls and the live band is loud and bad.
Eucontracror
03-17-12, 22:45
Hi Gentleman and Ladies,
I am back after a several year hiatus.
Looking to go back to Giottos next week. Any news on his, or new, places?
Thanks,
EU
Strikesfun
03-17-12, 23:04
Understand that the is a royal funnel and that the bars have been requested to close for 8. 10 Apr. Will this be all areas, Pattaya, Bangkok, Nana, Soi. Thank you
Understand that the is a royal funnel and that the bars have been requested to close for 8. 10 Apr. Will this be all areas, Pattaya, Bangkok, Nana, Soi. Thank youWhat is a royal funnel?
LittleBigMan
03-18-12, 03:13
What is a royal funnel?Furneral! No alcohol, Bars closed? Right in the middle of Songkran?
LBM
Lord Farquard
03-18-12, 06:08
Furneral! No alcohol, Bars closed? Right in the middle of Songkran?
LBMSongkran is 12-15, so if the bars are closed 8-10, everyone will be ready to party.
Hi Gentleman and Ladies,
I am back after a several year hiatus.
Looking to go back to Giottos next week. Any news on his, or new, places?
Thanks,
EUWas there last week for a short spell daytime.
Seemed to me that Soi 33 was a bit quiet and so was the Sport Lounge, surprisingly as at dinner time it should be more equipped.
Will not take long before I can check again, including night time.
About what's new at LL it all depends when you were there last time.
In Bangkok now for 5 days. My tailor and the hotel guys all told me that they expect political trouble during Songkran. I don't know how accurate their prediction is but they live here. Have backup plans if airport is shut down or something.
In Bangkok now for 5 days. My tailor and the hotel guys all told me that they expect political trouble during Songkran. I don't know how accurate their prediction is but they live here. Have backup plans if airport is shut down or something.I Hope nothing happens but my flight out is anyhow scheduled on 11th morning since months.
Does anyone have any info regarding massage parlors snow white and annies, will it be closed like mango massage from April 13 to April 17?
Thank you.
I have been when it was suppose to be dry and still gotten served in places.
Member #4643
03-18-12, 14:59
I have been dutifully reading the forum in preparation for a business trip to BKK. My model for a business trip is based on my Medellin experience, where life at the Mansion introduces a "can't fail" aspect to any particular day (or night!).
I thought that LL would be the Thai equivalent of the Mansion, but when I look at Giotto's forum, there is hardly anything written in the last few years. I am delighted that Giotto himself is still in business, but I have no idea if the Lodge is still an exciting and fun place. There really are very few reports, although there are clearly still people who like the place.
My impression is that LL is particularly good for those of us who do not know the city, but that the girls / BF at the sports bar (as well as Soi 33 in general) are probably a bit overpriced. That being said, Giotto himself has a treasure trove of information that he happily shares with his guests concerning other venues.
Is this a fair summary? Has anyone been there recently who could shed some light on this?
I have been dutifully reading the forum in preparation for a business trip to BKK. My model for a business trip is based on my Medellin experience, where life at the Mansion introduces a "can't fail" aspect to any particular day (or night!).
I thought that LL would be the Thai equivalent of the Mansion.I don't think it is wise to make this sort of comparison. LL is a place to stay that is in amongst a street with many Massage Places and Sports Bars. Failure to choose a suitable girl, with the right chemistry, is certainly possible. LL Sports bar attracts girls who want to work in a classier place than a go-go bar but don't want to do massage where they have little opportunity to refuse customers. LL Sports bar gives nice fun guys a chance to hook up with girls where a good chemistry exists, and helps these girls pay the rent too. LL is a relaxed laid back place, like an Oasis in the middle of a city, where can eat breakfast even when it seems to be lunchtime.
The girls in these places are mostly not likely to be porn-stars, but may still be suited to the customer if the chemistry is right. These girls don't last for a long time if they are really great, because they are mostly looking for a western boyfriend / husband and many of Giotto's girls have been indeed stolen away by customers. I don't know anything about the current set of girls there.
If you stay at LL and don't find the right girl in the sports bar, or they are too shy for your taste (assuming you look for wild and very experienced girls) , then there are plenty of other options around, like nearby Massage Parlours, or go-gos with naked girls in Soi Cowboy.
For a really almost cannot fail experience, check out reports about famous Oily Massage Places like Mango, Snow White, and Tulip. Wayward porn-star girls from there can be taken away for the night too.
Forgive me if I misinterpret your desires, but Latin girls seem like wild go-ers to me.
I have been dutifully reading the forum. My impression is that LL is particularly good for those of us who do not know the city, but that the girls / BF at the sports bar (as well as Soi 33 in general) are probably a bit overpriced. That being said, Giotto himself has a treasure trove of information that he happily shares with his guests concerning other venues.
Is this a fair summary? Has anyone been there recently who could shed some light on this?One thing is for sure, as a first timer you can't go wrong with LL. It is not the cheapest place but it is more than worth it's price. There is no requirement that you have to get the girls from the Sports Lounge. (BTW the barfine goes down after midnight or so). I have stayed many times and I would recommend it highly. Where else you can get a mentor for free, who can give you all the insights of BKK night and day scenes.
GentleBoner
03-18-12, 17:35
Guide for dating thai girls, with more the expat in mind:
1. Don't try to date a bargirl. Just don't. They're for fun. Enjoy them. But leave it at that. Find one with no connection at all to the nightlife. Seems hard at first, but gets easier with time.
2. Be careful with girls under 25. Especially if you're over 40. Thai girls are fairly immature in general, but if she's under 25 forget it. If you're an older guy, thai women in their 30s and 40s seem to make for very happy and stable relationships.
3. Be very firm about money. She will try to test you to see if you're dumb and loose with it. If you are, she will lose respect for you and treat you like an ATM. However, if you are modest and fair then she will respect you. Remember that it doesn't take a lot of money to offer thai girls a better life than what they're used to.
4. Find a girl with a job. Make her keep it. If she sits around your place all day doing nothing, she may become bored, lonely, spoiled, fat and / or unpleasant, none of which will work out well for you.
5. Be extra careful with girls from Isaan. There are certainly many nice ones from there, but there's a reason why that region supplies 95% of prostitutes.
6. If she tells you it's customary to support her family financially, don't do it. And possibly break up with her. This is just a scam.
7. Some more things to watch out for: a "brother" she seems awfully close to. 50 or 100 farang "friends" on facebook / skype / etc. If she's not working but seems to have enough money to live on. Good English despite a very low education.
8. Don't rush into marriage and children. Many of them push these things hard because they want to lock a man down. But take your time.
9. Be prepared that she will be extremely jealous, especially in the beginning. Looking through your phone, calling you constantly to check on you, etc. Once she feels safe that you aren't about to break up with her, she'll relax and give you some leeway.
10. It's somewhat customary and accepted by thai women that their man will play around on the side. As long as it's nothing serious, is discreet and doesn't interfere with her, they'll generally look the other way. Even if she suspects you spent the afternoon at the massage parlour, she'll be fine if you come home to her every night.
11. Thai women flip out and go nutty if you leave them home alone for a few days. They'll even start seeing ghosts. Be careful about long trips unless you want to deal with hysteria.
12. There are nice legitimate girls to be found on the main e-dating sites, but a good number of the girls on there are "grey area" semi-pros. Looking for free holidays, new cell phones, or unusually large taxi bills to come visit your hotel. I've found multiple gogo girls on dating sites before too, even ones I had slept with before. You have to wade through all of this if you want to find a dateable girl on an internet dating site. If possible, it's better to meet girls through work, through friends, or just while out at restaurants or shopping areas (away from Sukhumvit).
Anything I missed?
Hotman 666
03-18-12, 17:54
Guide for dating thai girls, with more the expat in mind:
1. Don't try to date a bargirl. Just don't. They're for fun. Enjoy them. But leave it at that. Find one with no connection at all to the nightlife. Seems hard at first, but gets easier with time.
2. Be careful with girls under 25. Especially if you're over 40. Thai girls are fairly immature in general, but if she's under 25 forget it. If you're an older guy, thai women in their 30s and 40s seem to make for very happy and stable relationships.
3. Be very firm about money. She will try to test you to see if you're dumb and loose with it. If you are, she will lose respect for you and treat you like an ATM. However, if you are modest and fair then she will respect you. Remember that it doesn't take a lot of money to offer thai girls a better life than what they're used to.
4. Find a girl with a job. Make her keep it. If she sits around your place all day doing nothing, she may become bored, lonely, spoiled, fat and / or unpleasant, none of which will work out well for you.
5. Be extra careful with girls from Isaan. There are certainly many nice ones from there, but there's a reason why that region supplies 95% of prostitutes.
6. If she tells you it's customary to support her family financially, don't do it. And possibly break up with her. This is just a scam.
7. Some more things to watch out for: a "brother" she seems awfully close to. 50 or 100 farang "friends" on facebook / skype / etc. If she's not working but seems to have enough money to live on. Good English despite a very low education.
8. Don't rush into marriage and children. Many of them push these things hard because they want to lock a man down. But take your time.
9. Be prepared that she will be extremely jealous, especially in the beginning. Looking through your phone, calling you constantly to check on you, etc. Once she feels safe that you aren't about to break up with her, she'll relax and give you some leeway.
10. It's somewhat customary and accepted by thai women that their man will play around on the side. As long as it's nothing serious, is discreet and doesn't interfere with her, they'll generally look the other way. Even if she suspects you spent the afternoon at the massage parlour, she'll be fine if you come home to her every night.
11. Thai women flip out and go nutty if you leave them home alone for a few days. They'll even start seeing ghosts. Be careful about long trips unless you want to deal with hysteria.
Anything I missed?I think that you have covered all the major points very well.
Just ONE THING that I would add.
In my experience of Thai girls they do have just as many problems in understanding Farrang Culture as we do in understanding them!
What, to THEM, seems perfectly normal behaviour, to us guys is completely CRAZY!
And, by the same token some of the things that WE do, say and think must seem absolutely incomprehensible to them.
Just TRY to accept that we are so, so different and just accept that you will NEVER completly understand Thai behaviour and you will not be far wrong!
Enjoy,
Hotman.
Member #4643
03-18-12, 18:43
Forgive me if I misinterpret your desires, but Latin girls seem like wild go-ers to me.I am not entirely new to BKK, as I spent two nights and three days there a few years ago. I don't think Latin girls are "wild go-ers" any more than the Thai girls I met. There are many major differences between the scenes, such as the Go-Go bars I saw in Soi Cowboy, the soapy and the Blow Job Bar I went to (NOTHING like these exist in Latin America). The Medellin Mansion is nice because there are almost always really nice chicas who are hanging around there ready for a customer. There is no bar fine for mongerers at the mansion either, and the prices are only slightly higher than in the clubs. What I was referring to in comparing LL to the Mansion was only that girls are easily available on the premises.
One major difference that I did note was that non-pro Thai girls were very hard to conquer for the traveler in BKK. In contrast, with a little internet preparation (tagged, badoo, etc) , I have never fail to get a non-pro in Latin America who is half my age, even if I am there only a few days. Even though I plan to be in BKK an entire week, I doubt I will succeed in conquering a non-pro (I would be delighted to take advice on this if someone thinks they can help!).
Thanks for the advice guys. I think I will book my room with Giotto.
Tony Hoeprano
03-18-12, 23:54
One major difference that I did note was that non-pro Thai girls were very hard to conquer for the traveler in BKK. In contrast, with a little internet preparation (tagged, badoo, etc) , I have never fail to get a non-pro in Latin America who is half my age, even if I am there only a few days. Even though I plan to be in BKK an entire week, I doubt I will succeed in conquering a non-pro (I would be delighted to take advice on this if someone thinks they can help!).
Thanks for the advice guys. I think I will book my room with Giotto.You might want to try more online dating sites in addition to Baddoo and Tagged. Also try not to shoot for the moon and go for a 20 something Hi-so girl. Hell even a young hansum Brad Pitt look alike would have a hard time pulling that. Try for a nice looking MILF in their 30's and you might find better luck.
I am not entirely new to BKK, as I spent two nights and three days there a few years ago. I don't think Latin girls are "wild go-ers" any more than the Thai girls I met. There are many major differences between the scenes, such as the Go-Go bars I saw in Soi Cowboy, the soapy and the Blow Job Bar I went to (NOTHING like these exist in Latin America). The Medellin Mansion is nice because there are almost always really nice chicas who are hanging around there ready for a customer. There is no bar fine for mongerers at the mansion either, and the prices are only slightly higher than in the clubs. What I was referring to in comparing LL to the Mansion was only that girls are easily available on the premises.
One major difference that I did note was that non-pro Thai girls were very hard to conquer for the traveler in BKK. In contrast, with a little internet preparation (tagged, badoo, etc) , I have never fail to get a non-pro in Latin America who is half my age, even if I am there only a few days. Even though I plan to be in BKK an entire week, I doubt I will succeed in conquering a non-pro (I would be delighted to take advice on this if someone thinks they can help!).
Thanks for the advice guys. I think I will book my room with Giotto.Non Pro is easy. I am in my 50's and get them in their low 30's. Thai friendly and Thai Lovelinks. Easy pickins.
Thais don't care who gives them money, though, they do like the big spenders better.
Probably a lot easier to get the "farang" and cheap charlie dip shits to leave first.
Funny thing, from the looks of things these days, they already are!How do you know this? Are you guessing? Is there any reasearch to support your comments?
GentleBoner
03-19-12, 02:45
Well I beg to differ. I think your question should be."I don't understand why I can't pick up a hot freelance chick for only 1000Baht". I have been to Insomnia, Thermae, and Climax. Climax is where I have had the most luck. When I mean luck, I mean with finding hot freelancer chicks, but unfortunately for you, not for 1000 Baht. Here is an example. Last weekend I went to Soi Cowboy and picked up a girl in Rio. Before going back to my place we decided to have a few drinks and listen to the band at Climax. Well this cutee got so drunk she could not go with me. I had to salvage my evening and this night there were so many hot girls there. I ended up finding another girl for 3000LT. She stayed until 2pm the next day. We talked about this very issue. She told me many guys will offer her 1000Baht or 1500Baht LT like it is a fortune to them. She does not even counter offer. She told me in her eyes they are cheap and it turns her off. She only does this part time and does not want to compromise on price when she can get more. Sometimes she goes to Hong Kong and can get 2000HKD or more LT so why would she accept 1000Baht or 1500Baht that these so called freelancers get who hang out in parking lots and beer gardens? Guys it is simple, most of the time if you want quality you have to pay unless you get lucky and find a freebie. LOL but even then you have to pay. For example I met a real cutee on Badoo. We went for dinner at CDC, Wine I Love You restaurant. The bill was 2700Baht. So guys in the end you pay for quality no matter what. If you want to spend 1000-1500Baht your girls looks will reflect that price. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder so to each their own. Anyone can spend a few Baht to get a simple lay, however I monger to fuck hot chicks, it is easy to pick up the average ones for free. To find a real beauty you have to wine and dine them sometimes for weeks to get into their pants and sometimes I would just like to skip all that. Paying a higher premium just seems to do the trick for me. In the end I get to fuck some really hot chicks.Wow where do I start with this post.
After the girl you barfined from Rio got too drunk (on your bill), you paid 3000 LT to a Climax girl, bragging about how she stayed until 2PM? Wahahahaha.
You paid 2700 for dinner with a girl from Badoo? Ahahahaha.
And then on top of that, you posted a photo of a completely average looking thai bargirl.
Treating hoes like princesses. This is how places get ruined.
One major difference that I did note was that non-pro Thai girls were very hard to conquer for the traveler in BKK. In contrast, with a little internet preparation (tagged, badoo, etc) , I have never fail to get a non-pro in Latin America who is half my age, even if I am there only a few days. Even though I plan to be in BKK an entire week, I doubt I will succeed in conquering a non-pro (I would be delighted to take advice on this if someone thinks they can help!).It depends on the quality of girl you like. There are a lot of non-pro throw backs to be had for free.
If you spend some time in BKK and look around where couples usually hang out together, you'll RARELY notice a QUALITY non-pro Thai girl with a foreigner. For the most part, non-pro Thai women have zero interest in foreigners. There is no need anymore for them to waste there time on non-thais. Thai men have enough money now to keep the goods to themselves. Thailand is not conducive for hooking up with non-pros unless you like the scraps.
GentleBoner
03-19-12, 03:44
It depends on the quality of girl you like. There are a lot of non-pro throw backs to be had for free.
If you spend some time in BKK and look around where couples usually hang out together, you'll RARELY notice a QUALITY non-pro Thai girl with a foreigner. For the most part, non-pro Thai women have zero interest in foreigners. There is no need anymore for them to waste there time on non-thais. Thai men have enough money now to keep the goods to themselves. Thailand is not conducive for hooking up with non-pros unless you like the scraps.
Some truth to this, but not entirely.
They don't have a lot of interest in sleeping with men twice their age wearing shorts and flip flops and a tattered t-shirt who looks like he just stumbled out of a taxi that came from the nana hotel.
There is interest in a respectable employed farang not here on holiday with an age not so far away from hers.
Dazednconfused
03-19-12, 04:16
Be extra careful with girls from Isaan. There are certainly many nice ones from there, but there's a reason why that region supplies 95% of prostitutes.The reason that there are so many working girls from Isaan is not that they are naturally inclined to prostitution. If is because Isaan is the most poverty-stricken region of Thailand and the only marketable commodity for many families is their daughters' pussies.
Wow where do I start with this post.
After the girl you barfined from Rio got too drunk (on your bill) , you paid 3000 LT to a Climax girl, bragging about how she stayed until 2PM? Wahahahaha.
You paid 2700 for dinner with a girl from Badoo? Ahahahaha.
And then on top of that, you posted a photo of a completely average looking thai bargirl.
Treating hoes like princesses. This is how places get ruined.I would be interested in seeing pictures of some girls you dated? This girl is 100 percent hotter and cuter than any girl I have seen posted by others in this photo gallery. Put your money where your mouth is a post some photos of your conquests. Thai girls by the way don't need a lot of alcohol to get drunk. I store a bottle at climax and she drank 3 drinks from it, and since she does not drink too much she got toasted! The girl from Badoo was someone I was dating for a while. I like to go to nice places, and not back packer alley like most expats in Bangkok. Anytime you want go looking for freebies together and see who can pick up the hottest one you can PM.
The reason that there are so many working girls from Isaan is not that they are naturally inclined to prostitution. If is because Isaan is the most poverty-stricken region of Thailand and the only marketable commodity for many families is their daughters' pussies.There are many NE TH / Isaan villages where very few, or no, women go to work as prostitutes. How do you explain this?
There are many Thai prostitutes that are not from Isaan. Thai men actually prefer women from north Thailand, and the domestic "entertainment" business dwarfs the one for foreign customers.
You could write a dissertation (and many have) about the roots of poverty in Thailand. Your statement,"the only marketable commodity for many (Isaan) families is their daughters' pussies," is a very simplistic view of reality.
Every "working" Thai woman I've met and gotten to know has a different story.
How do you know this? Are you guessing? Is there any reasearch to support your comments?I live in central Bangkok, have for years, and see it everyday. I know a lot of "working girls" as friends. And, I am trained in sociological and economic research.
So, not guessing.
Research? On Thai working girls preferring money spending Asian men over "cheap charlie" farang? That's funny.
One only has to spend a little time on Soi Thaniya, or in Soi Cowboy's Baccara, to figure this one out.
Btw, I do my research with a cold beer and a high performance camera!
GentleBoner
03-19-12, 05:11
The reason that there are so many working girls from Isaan is not that they are naturally inclined to prostitution. If is because Isaan is the most poverty-stricken region of Thailand and the only marketable commodity for many families is their daughters' pussies.I understand that. But it also makes it more likely that a girl from Isaan will want to date a foreigner for all the wrong reasons ($$$).
GentleBoner
03-19-12, 05:17
the domestic "entertainment" business dwarfs the one for foreign customers.In monetary terms, the domestic business doesn't even come close to the money flowing through Nana, Cowboy, Pattaya and Patong, let alone dwarf it.
Wolvenvacht
03-19-12, 07:31
In monetary terms, the domestic business doesn't even come close to the money flowing through Nana, Cowboy, Pattaya and Patong, let alone dwarf it.Really? You have checked their accounting?
There are many NE TH / Isaan villages where very few, or no, women go to work as prostitutes. How do you explain this?
There are many Thai prostitutes that are not from Isaan. Thai men actually prefer women from north Thailand, and the domestic "entertainment" business dwarfs the one for foreign customers.
You could write a dissertation (and many have) about the roots of poverty in Thailand. Your statement,"the only marketable commodity for many (Isaan) families is their daughters' pussies," is a very simplistic view of reality.
Every "working" Thai woman I've met and gotten to know has a different story.Some very good points. It is probable that Issaan girls are poorly educated due to poverty and long term drought plus lack of natural resources. Are Issaan girls dominant in Thai entertainment places too? Even in Chiang Mai and Hat Yai? Perhaps not. Issaan girls seem to dominate in places intended for Farangs. This may be due to Farangs liking Issaan girls more than the Thais do, and also due to poorer and less educated backgrounds. A high proportion of these girls are single mothers too. Another relevant factor I guess. Could it be that some of these girls feel higher responsibility to support their families that are in bad economic situations?
There must be many relevant issues.
GentleBoner
03-19-12, 08:33
Really? You have checked their accounting?If Thais ranging from waitresses up to high government officials were not making significant money off of it, much more than they could make from the local industry, Cowboy and Pattaya would be shut down and cease to exist.
Wow where do I start with this post.
After the girl you barfined from Rio got too drunk (on your bill) , you paid 3000 LT to a Climax girl, bragging about how she stayed until 2PM? Wahahahaha.
You paid 2700 for dinner with a girl from Badoo? Ahahahaha.
And then on top of that, you posted a photo of a completely average looking thai bargirl.
Treating hoes like princesses. This is how places get ruined.Here are some pics of some freelance girls and freebies from my recent outings. I am still waiting for yours!
Issaan girls seem to dominate in places intended for Farangs. This may be due to Farangs liking Issaan girls more than the Thais do, and also due to poorer and less educated backgrounds.Its all economics!
There are plenty of Thai guys who like Isaan girls and fuck them all the time. It's just farang / japs will pay way more than Thais to to fuck these Isaan types, so they gravitate towards farang / jap venues to make the most cash.
Some very good points. It is probable that Issaan girls are poorly educated due to poverty and long term drought plus lack of natural resources. Are Issaan girls dominant in Thai entertainment places too?Isaan on the whole is not as backward as people often think. It is the home to more than 25 million people and there are large cities (Khorat, Khon Kaen, Ubon Ratchathani, Udon Thani, Nakhon Phanom) , with thriving economies and good schools. The countryside is mainly agricultural and seasonally dry, however, it is very productive in the wet season. The generic poverty that I've observed is more related to lack of infrastructure investment (roads, etc.) , poor quality education, and restricted access to private capital. Of course, peoples' habits and bad luck can create personal poverty.
In general, Thai men prefer young girls who've not born children, and with light skin. You don't find a lot of Isaan women who meet these criteria. Most of the white skinned women come from Bangkok, the north and central regions. Also, Isaan women generally speak a different language (Isaan / Lao) than moneyed Thai men.
Even in Chiang Mai and Hat Yai? Perhaps not.Thai people will go wherever they can to make money. I lived in the south for awhile and met a lot of people from Isaan, and other parts of Thailand, as well.
Chiang Mai is close to China in more ways than just geography. White skin, beauty, and elegance are valued here in female characteristics.
Malaysian men, who form the predominant group visiting frequent Hat Yai, probably are not as interested in white skin as their Thai counterparts.
Issaan girls seem to dominate in places intended for Farangs. This may be due to Farangs liking Issaan girls more than the Thais do, and also due to poorer and less educated backgrounds.A lot of farang men prefer darker skin women. Generally, the women who work in exclusively farang venues cannot get jobs in the Thai venues. The exception would be low end place for "cheap charlie" Thais.
A high proportion of these girls are single mothers too. Another relevant factor I guess.They have to send "milk money" back to mama.
Could it be that some of these girls feel higher responsibility to support their families that are in bad economic situations?Part of Thai Buddhism and Thai culture is a strong principle that daughters are indebted to their mother and father, and must always take care of them, no matter what. This is especially true for the eldest daughter.
There must be many relevant issues.You might take a look at this link:
http://www.siamhoney.com/thai_second_class.php
In monetary terms, the domestic business doesn't even come close to the money flowing through Nana, Cowboy, Pattaya and Patong, let alone dwarf it.Sorry, but you are wrong on this one. The domestic business is huge compared to the tourist business.
Ever been to Ratchadaphisek Road? http://www.bangkoksite.com/entertainment/Ratchadapisek.htm
There are karaoke bars, massage shops, and brothels in just about every Thai city and town. The tourist business is limited to a handful of well lit, well known locales.
Western787
03-19-12, 11:26
Some very good points. It is probable that Issaan girls are poorly educated due to poverty and long term drought plus lack of natural resources. Are Issaan girls dominant in Thai entertainment places too? Even in Chiang Mai and Hat Yai? Perhaps not. Issaan girls seem to dominate in places intended for Farangs. This may be due to Farangs liking Issaan girls more than the Thais do, and also due to poorer and less educated backgrounds. A high proportion of these girls are single mothers too. Another relevant factor I guess. Could it be that some of these girls feel higher responsibility to support their families that are in bad economic situations?
There must be many relevant issues.I don't think its as complicated as you see it.
The Thai government itself has admitted Thai IQ's in general are below international standards, and Isaan is well below even the Thailand average. The Thai government then takes the politically correct stance that low IQ's are fixable, when in fact beyond marginal IQ improvements with better education and nutrition and so forth, IQ's are very slow to change, as their causations derive over thousands or perhaps hundreds of thousands of years. Now as far as Bangkok and other areas such as Phuket, they have benefitted from a 1000 years of Chinese migration and intermarriage, which of course acts as an offsetting factor given that China, Korea, and Japan on an aggregate basis have the highest IQ's of any group in the world. As has been widely reported "more than 80% of top 40 richest people in Thailand are Thai of full or partly Chinese descent". Raw IQ being largely innate from birth may be unfair, but it can and often does influence what type of occupation one ends up working in.
GentleBoner
03-19-12, 11:34
Sorry, but you are wrong on this one. The domestic business is huge compared to the tourist business.
Ever been to Ratchadaphisek Road?
http://www.bangkoksite.com/entertainment/Ratchadapisek.htm
There are karaoke bars, massage shops, and brothels in just about every Thai city and town. The tourist business is limited to a handful of well lit, well known locales.I've seen plenty of local places in small towns. Business was terrible.
Pattaya likely makes more in a week than the the domestic places in every small town in Thailand make in a year.
AussieDoug
03-19-12, 11:59
In monetary terms, the domestic business doesn't even come close to the money flowing through Nana, Cowboy, Pattaya and Patong, let alone dwarf it.Gentle Boner. The thai men only allow us poor foreigners to fuck their brown skinned poorer people from Isaan etc, the white skinned thai girls are reserved for the locals and command a huge price. On Ratcahaphisek Road there is a huge brothel, actually two hotels joined together and they simply won't allow farang inside unless brought by a thai. Next time you are in Cowboy do a little research, sit by the cashier and count the money, count the empty beer bottles outside at the end of the night, count how many bargirls go home alone, even in the best of bars the takings are not all that huge, and don't ever believe a bar owner, his only way out of his "investment" is to suck in the next guy.
On Ratcahaphisek Road there is a huge brothel, actually two hotels joined together and they simply won't allow farang inside unless brought by a thai.Where exactly is this place? How much are the girls?
Whats in it for the girl if farang not willing to HELP? If girl just asks shouldn't guy just run anyway-kinda obvious what girl wants!She already is being helped. Farang pays the rent, pays the bills, pays the food, pays for everything when they go out. If they met in a bar, chances are that her education level is low enough that she is already being given a life (at least economically) far better than anything she has ever known. If she wants more, tell her to go out and GET A JOB, try being useful, and try showing her farang that she is actually a prize well worth keeping and that she has something to contribute to the relationship other than the space between her legs.
There are many NE TH / Isaan villages where very few, or no, women go to work as prostitutes. How do you explain this?
There are many Thai prostitutes that are not from Isaan. Thai men actually prefer women from north Thailand, and the domestic "entertainment" business dwarfs the one for foreign customers.
You could write a dissertation (and many have) about the roots of poverty in Thailand. Your statement,"the only marketable commodity for many (Isaan) families is their daughters' pussies," is a very simplistic view of reality.
Every "working" Thai woman I've met and gotten to know has a different story.Well agreed, a bit too simplistic and there are a lot of different realities. I have been to many of the Thai massage places on Petchaburi or Ratchada where a papasan has told me that a girl is from Chiang Mai, only to get to the room and discover that she is from Udon or Buriram. And while it is true that the general mid-Hi so Thai spec is white skin and northern, there are plenty of mid-Hi so Thai men out there with Isaan giks, gf's, mia nois, and ST companions. I was up at the Saphan Kwai gogos awhile back and was surprised to see that 80% of the girls looked more or less exactly like the girls at Nana or Cowboy, not necessarily more white skinned, prettier, classier, or anything else. Conversely, many northern girls have asked me why farang don't like them, or why farang like dark skin. I always tell them that in general, farang are probably a bit less discerning than their Thai counterparts. Farang like women who are nice to them, make them laugh, have a good heart, and are fun to be with. In general, especially when the girl is good looking, skin color or tone is probably much further down the line in importance. However. 95% of the farang in Bangkok go to Nana / Cowboy areas to find their women, and probably 90% plus or minus of the girls who go to work in these places are from Isaan. And there is probably a higher percentage of girls from Isaan who happen to have darker skin. If Nana was full of white skinned Chiang Mai / Rai hotties, I am sure farang would be just as busy seducing them as anyone else.
Isaan does have the most rural poverty in the country, but as Fon Dok says, not all villages nor Isaan girls become prostitutes or look for farang, same as not all Isaan people become maids, taxi drivers, som tam sellers, or so forth. I have said some of the worst things about girls from Isaan and have certainly met some 100% stereotypes of the evil hooker, and some of my best Thai friends are also from Isaan and are some of the most decent, hardworking, nicest people you will ever meet.
Wolvenvacht
03-19-12, 21:07
If Thais ranging from waitresses up to high government officials were not making significant money off of it, much more than they could make from the local industry, Cowboy and Pattaya would be shut down and cease to exist.By the same reasoning the "local" sex scene would then have ceased to exist long ago already. I am not convinced by your arguments.
Joe Looking
03-20-12, 02:00
Sorry, but you are wrong on this one. The domestic business is huge compared to the tourist business.
Ever been to Ratchadaphisek Road?
http://www.bangkoksite.com/entertainment/Ratchadapisek.htm
There are karaoke bars, massage shops, and brothels in just about every Thai city and town. The tourist business is limited to a handful of well lit, well known locales.Every town does seem to have karaoke, massage and brothels but that does not mean that large sums of money are being made. If you look at most of the establishments in non-tourist areas (the ones with no English signage) , you will generally see that they do not get very packed. We all also know that locals generally pay significantly less than non-locals, something that strongly impacts the bottom line. For example, if 100 local men pay $10 / girl and non-local men are charged $100 / girl, the volume of local men will be higher but the amount of money made from them will not be.
I doubt that any of us could prove it with hard numbers, short of investing in establishments for locals only and for anyone to have access to the books, but I strongly believe that tourists / ex-pats spend more on the sex trade than locals.
Some local men that I have met (full disclosure I have not talked to that many) told me that they rarely use those places. In contrast I have met expats who claim to go through more than 200 women / year. In cases where a local (someone I befriended and had no financial stake in taking me) has taken me to a brothel or massage place, in only 1 out of the 7 times did they partake and he was only 19 which may have explained it.
In monetary terms, the domestic business doesn't even come close to the money flowing through Nana, Cowboy, Pattaya and Patong, let alone dwarf it.You are wrong on this one and Fon Tok is right, the domestic business is way bigger. And older. I read a book about this years ago, I can't remember the stats now but it was something like 90% domestic to 10% tourists. Not even close.
You are wrong on this one and Fon Tok is right, the domestic business is way bigger. And older. I read a book about this years ago, I can't remember the stats now but it was something like 90% domestic to 10% tourists. Not even close.Correct. The farang scene is nothing compared to the scene for the Thais. There are brothel all over this country.
Correct. The farang scene is nothing compared to the scene for the Thais. There are brothel all over this country.They must very un-noticeable to the average farang.
Last night I was walking in the proximity of Soi 22 and noticed a spa massage where only Thai were getting out of it.
So indeed there are!
They must very un-noticeable to the average farang.
Last night I was walking in the proximity of Soi 22 and noticed a spa massage where only Thai were getting out of it.
So indeed there are!Most farang never get out of the tourist areas. Most Thai places are not in tourist areas.
Most farang never get out of the tourist areas. Most Thai places are not in tourist areas.Last week, I was driving on the highway on the perimeter of a small city, Uthomphon Pisai, in Sisaket Province (Isaan). There were 8 or 10 karaoke "lady bars" in about a 1000 meter stretch of highway, and more in the town.
I've traveled all over Thailand. You are never far from a "lady bar," wherever you might go! If you know what to look for, how to act, and speak a little Thai, you can always find sex.
Amazing Thailand.
It's the same all over Asia by the way. In China brothels are freaking everywhere. 99, 9% of them for locals.
Question about opening times: what time do go-gos (Nana & Cowboy) actually open? I've always been after 9PM so I'm not sure. Is there an official time where all girls have to be there to start work? Do they trickle in over a few hours?
Question about opening times: what time do go-gos (Nana & Cowboy) actually open? I've always been after 9PM so I'm not sure. Is there an official time where all girls have to be there to start work? Do they trickle in over a few hours?I don't know about Nana but on Cowboy the official start for the girls to arrive is about 8PM in the Go go's. You will see a few early arrivals before and the two or three bars that are not Go go's are going all afternoon.
AussieDoug
03-20-12, 12:43
Where exactly is this place? How much are the girls?I have not been personally, was told about it by a friend who was working in Bangkok, a client took him, he said it was not all that expensive compared to the other thai places on ratchadaphisek, not sure but maybe it was Poseidon?
Question about opening times: what time do go-gos (Nana & Cowboy) actually open? I've always been after 9PM so I'm not sure. Is there an official time where all girls have to be there to start work? Do they trickle in over a few hours?I would say after 7pm action starts, but probably gets more live after 8pm.
You see the girls already arriving at 5 and 6, some go to the hairdresser, some get their make up, some indulge at the food stalls and all of them say a little prayer to Buddha.
The monks come in the morning, tho'
GentleBoner
03-20-12, 15:50
Every town does seem to have karaoke, massage and brothels but that does not mean that large sums of money are being made. If you look at most of the establishments in non-tourist areas (the ones with no English signage) , you will generally see that they do not get very packed. We all also know that locals generally pay significantly less than non-locals, something that strongly impacts the bottom line. For example, if 100 local men pay $10 / girl and non-local men are charged $100 / girl, the volume of local men will be higher but the amount of money made from them will not be.
I doubt that any of us could prove it with hard numbers, short of investing in establishments for locals only and for anyone to have access to the books, but I strongly believe that tourists / ex-pats spend more on the sex trade than locals.
Some local men that I have met (full disclosure I have not talked to that many) told me that they rarely use those places. In contrast I have met expats who claim to go through more than 200 women / year. In cases where a local (someone I befriended and had no financial stake in taking me) has taken me to a brothel or massage place, in only 1 out of the 7 times did they partake and he was only 19 which may have explained it.I've seen bored hungry girls sitting outside Thai karaoke places all over small towns of Thailand. They weren't doing much working. Thais just don't have the disposable income that farangs on holiday do.
Being known as the world's brothel is an embarrassment for many Thais. Cowboy and Pattaya are allowed to remain open only because they make so much money, which many people have their hand in.
Farangs who tell you vague stories about the secret Thai-only places that only they know about are generally just trying to impress newbies.
Tank Not Mt
03-20-12, 16:08
LOL-is this it?
Farangs who tell you vague stories about the secret Thai-only places that only they know about are generally just trying to impress newbies.See http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/reader/reader291.html:
Quote: "Compared to the survey which indicates that every day at least 450, 000 Thai men visit prostitutes, the "farang" component represents only 10% of the total daily visits to prostitutes in Thailand."
The figure is roughly the same as what I read years ago in an academic publication.
It's not about the mythical Thai place in Soi whatever that has the most beauties on earth, it's about the thousands of small places all across the country. It adds up.
Lord Farquard
03-20-12, 17:34
I've seen bored hungry girls sitting outside Thai karaoke places all over small towns of Thailand. They weren't doing much working. Thais just don't have the disposable income that farangs on holiday do.That is true if you paint a broad brush, but the Thais that do go to the karaoke places do have money. I own several Thai only karaoke places in different areas of Thailand. The average check for a table of two men is around $60 US. That will include dinner, a bottle of booze, and tips for the singers. As a whole the men do not take the ladies home, they only come to party with the girls and then everyone goes home alone. On an average night I will have 20 ladies, and perhaps 2 will go home with a customer. So, the money is out there, but not everyone has it.
i came across this old post from 09 while doing a search and i'm quoting it below because it's pretty informative, it will be useful for new guys.
it's also the first time i hear about the 10, 000 baths lifetime barfine. is that accurate?
i haven't posted for a while, so i thought i would add something to this forum.
many guys come to bkk for the very first time and experience the awesomeness of the go-go bars here, but have many misconceptions of how the bars functions. here's a short list of what you need to know about them in no particular order of importance.
-all of the girls "must" come to work. the girls and the mamason all get 2 days off each month. if they do not show up to work they will have to pay for the bar fine that day, usually 600b.
-most of the girls will come on time 6:30-7pm. if they are late they will be fined by the bar, resulting in a deduction in salary.
-it is better to tip than buy a lady drink. here's why, the bars normally charge 120-160 for a lady drink. she only gets 50b of that, so i usually buy one drink if press for another one by the manager, i'd refuse, instead i would slip the girl a 100b note that will get her to smile.
-girls who are bar-fined for short time will come back, not all but a lot will. when i first went there i read somewhere on this forum that once a lady gets bar-fined she can not return back to work for the night that is false info. so it is better to go early if you want the "first shot".
-thai girls, even girls working in go-go bars are extremely jealous. if you go with one, one night and return to go with another, don't expect her to be please with you. she might refuse to go with you again ever because you have made her "lose face" in front of her bar friends. so if she really like a girl and you want to repeat with her, simply avoid her bar for that night. she will understand.
-thai girls love teddy-bears, then again all girls do. 300-400b can get you a lot in return, so it is a good return on your investment. remember a lot of customers tip, but not many give gifts. besides she can look at the bear and long for the day you will return to thailand. (yeah, right.) freebies will be had if you do this.
-the staff, mamason, and girls working in the bars will lie bluntly to you about everything and anything. for example, i was in a nana bar when i notice a really good looking girl sitting with another customer. so the moment the customer leaves i motioned for her to come sit with me. granted i was drunk, but i came to realized that "she" was a "he". a very good looking "he", but nevertheless, a "he". i asked the servers and the mamason about this and i was repeatably assured "there are no lady boys working here". well, i did not pay the bar fine and went to another bar, only to fine out from other girls i know who used to work in that bar that there are lady boys. so be warned, trust no one, not even yourself.
-there's a 10, 000b lifetime bar-fine. if you plan to spend a little time in thailand and have decided to spend it with your sexy new friend. you should do the calculations.
if you plan on spending more than 16 days with her, you should ask the mamason about the 10k life-time bar fine for her. this means that for as long as the girl stays with you, you're covered. even on the next time you come to thailand.
i would only do this if you are sure that the girl is someone you want to spend a lot of time with. i have done this on one occasion and the investment is worth it.
for the girl, it is a honor to have a customer paid this amount. so she will be very pleased with you.
this works in most go-go bars. just ask the mamason.
-the mamason / staff / girls will try to squeeze you for tips. say no. there's no shame in it because it is there job to squeeze you and it is your choice to say no.
-a lot of girls like simple food, so do take them to fancy places where they will feel out of place and can not eat the food. i can not recall how many times a girl i am with will tell me about a unpleasant experience eating sushi, mcdonalds, arabic food. (i like all time of food) just take them to a nice thai restaurant and feed them, if you want, otherwise send them home, so they can get their papaya salad. (this alone will save you a lot of money)
-most (almost all) girls are looking for sponsors, who will spend them money each money, so they can brag to their girls-friends about it. so be warned.
-dancers are paid 7-10, 000b per month, waitress are paid 5000b-6000b per month. 50b paid to the lady for a lady drink. mamason are paid 15, 000b per month.
-you can bar-fined the waitresses. many will go with you, the only reason why they don't dance is because they're either too shy to or don't know how.
-the many girls are **** in the go-go bars, so if this is a concern check their ids. this year is 2552 for the buddhist calendar, so do the math. (if the police shows up and your girl runs and hide in the back, then she's ****) you don't need to worry, the police are their to collect their bribe money. they will not even look at you.
-most are either in a relationship or looking to get into one with a thai guy. many girls will lie about their "brother", who is actually their thai bf. if your thai girl has a brother / male cousin living with her or just hangs around, then you will know. thai girls do not live with brother / male cousin alone! (i've been fooled by this.)
-you can not rescue them. simply because they do not want you to rescue them. some of these go-go bars girls enjoy a carefree lifestyle and i have seen many sponsor expect them to stay home and not go out at night. unless you are living here, this will not happen, so please get that out of your head. the relationship will end with you being called a controlling freak (no offense, i've been called that once or twice)
-now and then a thai girl, who is working in a go-go will fall in love with you for one reason or another. these reasons can be genuine so you can open your heart if you want. the choice is up to you.
i hope my article will save you from reading some mis-information and give you a better understanding of the underbelly of bangkok go-go bars. i don't have much insider experience for pattaya, but my guess is that most of what i've written here can be apply there too.
i apologized for the many errors in grammar and spelling.
i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please.
click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?)
GentleBoner
03-21-12, 02:30
See.
http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/reader/reader291.html:
Quote: "Compared to the survey which indicates that every day at least 450, 000 Thai men visit prostitutes, the "farang" component represents only 10% of the total daily visits to prostitutes in Thailand."
The figure is roughly the same as what I read years ago in an academic publication.
It's not about the mythical Thai place in Soi whatever that has the most beauties on earth, it's about the thousands of small places all across the country. It adds up.
That's volume of visits. It says nothing about money, which is what this discussion is about.
Farang areas generate much more money because prices are much higher, and much more is spent on drinks and barfines.
All the guys coming into this forum and bragging about the Climax girl they gave 3000 baht to for a night is a clear indication of that. Even forgetting about all the money that was spent on drinks before that, it takes about 5 or 6 Thai men visiting a brothel to match it.
That is true if you paint a broad brush, but the Thais that do go to the karaoke places do have money. I own several Thai only karaoke places in different areas of Thailand. The average check for a table of two men is around $60 US. That will include dinner, a bottle of booze, and tips for the singers. As a whole the men do not take the ladies home, they only come to party with the girls and then everyone goes home alone. On an average night I will have 20 ladies, and perhaps 2 will go home with a customer. So, the money is out there, but not everyone has it.
Sure, there's just not enough of it to compete with all the tourists flocking in to blow their holiday money.
That's volume of visits. It says nothing about money, which is what this discussion is about. Farang areas generate much more money because prices are much higher, and much more is spent on drinks and barfines, which most Thai brothels don't deal with.Nope.
Tourist entertainment areas, (not only for farang, BTW) , just have brighter lights.
The Thai only venues in Bangkok (usually soapies) are often in large buildings that look like hotels. One of these business might be larger than all the bars in Cowboy (in square meters). And, there a number of these very large places. Ever take the motorway out to BKK at night? You can see them from the road.
Cowboy, Nana, Patpong are very small. Pattaya is spread out, but mongers are a small percentage of the visitors these days. Mongers that prefer to go there are either keen golfers, or members of the "Cheap Charles" species. That leaves Samui, Patong, Chiang Mai, and a few other isolated locales that have services for tourists.
Boner, you're over your head with this one. Give it up. :)
GentleBoner
03-21-12, 02:54
Nope.
Tourist entertainment areas, (not only for farang, BTW) , just have brighter lights.
The Thai only venues in Bangkok (usually soapies) are often in large buildings that look like hotels. One of these business might be larger than all the bars in Cowboy (in square meters). And, there a number of these very large places. Ever take the motorway out to BKK at night? You can see them from the road.
Cowboy, Nana, Patpong are very small. Pattaya is spread out, but mongers are a small percentage of the visitors these days. Mongers that prefer to go there are either keen golfers, or members of the "Cheap Charles" species. That leaves Samui, Patong, Chiang Mai, and a few other isolated locales that have services for tourists.
Boner, you're over your head with this one. Give it up. .You're talking about the square meters of buildings. What does that have to do with anything?
Thais are not spending the money on nightlife that farangs are. You've said nothing to refute that.
You're talking about the square meters of buildings. What does that have to do with anything?
Thais are not spending the money on nightlife that farangs are.Plenty of Thais have buckets of money and spend it on women. And, there's a lot more of them out there on any given night than tourist visitors.
Thais drink a lot more whiskey than foreigners, eat food when they go to clubs, and "take" more women & men than foreigners (usually to rooms on site). That's money in the bank for Thai business operators and the mafia (read: police and army).
And, as far as using "square meters of buildings" as a way to gauge income generation? That is how real estate economists estimate income.
You obviously know very little about this topic. Just go and get laid, if you can, and do some homework. Bye. ;)
Plenty of Thais have buckets of money and spend it on women. And, there's a lot more of them out there on any given night than tourist visitors.
Thais drink a lot more whiskey than foreigners, eat food when they go to clubs, and "take" more women & men than foreigners (usually to rooms on site). That's money in the bank for Thai business operators and the mafia (read: police and army).
And, as far as using "square meters of buildings" as a way to gauge income generation? That is how real estate economists estimate income.
You obviously know very little about this topic. Just go and get laid, if you can, and do some homework. Bye. .Correct. Thai men spend vast amounts of money on gals. Would put the majority of Farangs and other Asians to shame. Spending money in droves gives "face," and the wealthy will spend spend spend. They will also support girls with apartments and cars. Take a look at the parking lots of most G-Clubs. The Benzes and BMWs belong to the customers and the Toyotas to the girls that work there.
You're talking about the square meters of buildings. What does that have to do with anything?
Thais are not spending the money on nightlife that farangs are. You've said nothing to refute that.Have you been to RCA, Thonglor, Rachada, or to Ekkamai? Perhaps to any of the G-Clubs around town? About all Thais and all Thais spending way more money than most Farangs. This is not the same city I moved to 12 years ago. Salaries for Thais are through the roof and they are spending it.
Farang are a drop in the bucket when it comes to nightlife in Bangkok. Losing that biz would not really effect most of the nightlife venues in this town.
That's volume of visits. It says nothing about money, which is what this discussion is about.
Farang areas generate much more money because prices are much higher, and much more is spent on drinks and barfines.
All the guys coming into this forum and bragging about the Climax girl they gave 3000 baht to for a night is a clear indication of that. Even forgetting about all the money that was spent on drinks before that, it takes about 5 or 6 Thai men visiting a brothel to match it.
Sure, there's just not enough of it to compete with all the tourists flocking in to blow their holiday money.More expensive? No way. Thai clubs and discos are far more expensive drink wise than what you see in Farang areas. Yes, there are some cheap places to have a beer, but 180 baht is the norm on Ekkamai or Thonglor. Not to mention that most buy bottles and they also buy food. When it comes to P4P the average Thai man will spend far more on the girl before he closes the deal. The good looking girls are not looking for a 3k ST, they are looking for a "sponsor."
Correct. Thai men spend vast amounts of money on gals. Would put the majority of Farangs and other Asians to shame. Spending money in droves gives "face," and the wealthy will spend spend spend. They will also support girls with apartments and cars. Take a look at the parking lots of most G-Clubs. The Benzes and BMWs belong to the customers and the Toyotas to the girls that work there.Your talking about upper middle and upper class Thai men here. Although, what you state is true, I wouldn't hold it as a benchmark for normal thai spending on prostitution. In fact I know places in BKK where middle class thais pay 800ST.
Lets look at the average massage parlour (nation wide) prices that services the average thai guy. A run of the mill fuck will cost a Thai somewhere between 1200-2000 for a ST 2 hour fuck. Now compare that with the average amount a foreinger spends in a touristy area (excluding drinks) : barfine 600 + 1500/2000 ST =2100/2600. Or maybe a beer bar; barfine 300 + 1000 =1300. Who spends more?
seeing that i used this site extensively in planning my current trip, i thought it only fair that i post a quick trip report.
i flew in very late at night but fortunately immigration was much faster than i had been expecting and customs was pretty much a joke. *consequently, i managed to make it on the very last train into town bang on midnight. *i jumped off at makkasan and grabbed a taxi over to soi 4. *checked in, quick shower and was back on the street at a bit after 1am. *nana and the surrounding streets were pumping but i was pretty knackered and really just wanted to grab a girl and hit the sack. *i walked the length of soi 4 to sukhumvit and on the return leg, saw a cute fl in the nana carpark. *she wasn't a stunner but had a great little body and a really friendly sexy demeanor which counts for a lot in my book. *i grabbed her for 1400 lt down from a starting price of 2000 (she later told me that i was her first customer for the night and that things are apparently quite slow at the moment). *back in the room, we showered and had dfk, mutual uncovered oral and coved sex. *we went to sleep but i tossed and turned for a few hours due to jetlag and having a stranger in the bed. *we had round two at about 5am which involved fingering, a hand job and covered sex. *i really wanted to try and get some decent sleep and suggested that she go home which she did after another shower. *
after finally getting up, i did a bit of sightseeing before making my way to [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) at around mid-day. *there was around ten very friendly and eager girls out front but i selected a cute and busty little number called mew. *having already popped twice, she had her work cut out for her but managed the job like a superstar. *excellent enthusiastic effort and just 700 baht. *
after some more sightseeing and a very 'friendly' oil masage where i declined all of the extras on offer, i finished up at nep around 5pm. *watched the hordes of girls trickle in and eat, pray and preen themselves. *i had a few beers in a couple of different bars before settling in at angelwitch. *they had what i thought to be an excellent selection although the bored dance / shuffling on the stage was a bit of a let down. *i met the mamasan who did a great job introducing me to various girls and trying to find the right match for me. *funnily enough, it was a short, slightly pudgy and busty waitress who really caught my eye and the girls all went wild with cheers and laughter when i asked if she was able to be barfined. *the deal was done and after paying for my drinks and the 600 baht barfine, we went back to my hotel. *she turned out to be anything but the innocent wallflower i had been expecting and put in a great performance that involved dfk, uncovered mutual oral and covered sex. *i had really wanted to go for lt but i got the impression that the mamasan had talked her out of it and so it ended up being short time only. *total damage of 1000 baht plus 600 barfine. *probably a bit expensive but still great fun. *so all up it was three girls, four pops. 3700 baht and a hell of a great first day in bangkok.
can anyone recommend a place for more enthusiastic western-style dancing. i'd also be keen for recommendations for full nudity and a place where i could catch one of the more extreme sex shows without getting scammed.
Your talking about upper middle and upper class Thai men here. Although, what you state is true, I wouldn't hold it as a benchmark for normal thai spending on prostitution. In fact I know places in BKK where middle class thais pay 800ST.
Lets look at the average massage parlour (nation wide) prices that services the average thai guy. A run of the mill fuck will cost a Thai somewhere between 1200-2000 for a ST 2 hour fuck. Now compare that with the average amount a foreinger spends in a touristy area (excluding drinks) : barfine 600 + 1500/2000 ST =2100/2600. Or maybe a beer bar; barfine 300 + 1000 =1300. Who spends more?Good points.
But, for the sake of this discussion (the TH "entertainment" business versus foreigner), remember that there are XX million Thai men who do this year round (quite few just in Bangkok).
Compared to what? Maybe XXX thousand mongering foreigners, (farang, asian, black, middle eastern, indian), who come here for a week, or two, mainly in high season. Many of them are older and only "play" every other day, or so, if at all!
And, we all know that the foreign guys that live here are careful with their cheese! ;)
Good points.
But, for the sake of this discussion (the TH "entertainment" business versus foreigner) , remember that there are XX million Thai men who do this year round (quite few just in Bangkok).
Compared to what? Maybe XXX thousand mongering foreigners, (farang, asian, black, middle eastern, indian) , who come here for a week, or two, mainly in high season. Many of them are older and only "play" every other day, or so, if at all!
And, we all know that the foreign guys that live here are careful with their cheese! .I've heard Thai men don't have much of a sex drive & that once a month is all they need. Probably just some ridiculous gossip, eh?
"Rather than add more numbers to these lists our research looked at the official Thai government estimates of the numbers of sex workers in Thailand. The Thai government largely bases its estimates on the number of Entertainment Place registrations and the number of sex workers visiting government STI clinics (Sexually Transmitted Infection) via records and mapping. We found that only about one third of our workplaces have ever been registered. We also found many of us are not part of the government health service register, as we choose to use private health clinics. So the official figures are likely to be lower than reality. Still government estimates of 200, 000 to 300, 000 19 feel a lot closer to our reality than the wild numbers put forward by some groups e. G. 800, 000 to 2. 6 million! [p. 10]
"Another measure of the size of our industry is the amount of revenue we generate. In 2003, the Thai sex industry was said to yield an annual income of US$4. 3 billion which is likely to have increased significantly over the last 8 years, as the Thai economy and tourism sector has developed. 20.
"Much of the tourism industry is dependent on the sex industry which has been estimated to make up around 7 percent of national GDP. More than rice exports. 21 [p. 10]
"As far back as 1998 it was estimated that sex workers in urban areas of Thailand sent close to USD300 million annually to our rural families, a sum that exceeded the budgets of government-funded development programs. 22 This amount will have also increased significantly over the last decade. Migrant sex workers are also sending huge amounts of money to their home communities. Migrant sex workers working on this research project all send between 15 to 26% of their monthly income home to their families. [p. 10-11]"
http://www.chezstella.org/stella/Hit-and-Run-RATSW.pdf
Western787
03-21-12, 09:36
Nope.
Tourist entertainment areas, (not only for farang, BTW) , just have brighter lights.
The Thai only venues in Bangkok (usually soapies) are often in large buildings that look like hotels. One of these business might be larger than all the bars in Cowboy (in square meters). And, there a number of these very large places. Ever take the motorway out to BKK at night? You can see them from the road.
Cowboy, Nana, Patpong are very small. Pattaya is spread out, but mongers are a small percentage of the visitors these days. Mongers that prefer to go there are either keen golfers, or members of the "Cheap Charles" species. That leaves Samui, Patong, Chiang Mai, and a few other isolated locales that have services for tourists.
Boner, you're over your head with this one. Give it up. .By "Thai only venues" aren't some of these really "farangs not allowed venues"? In another words, only Thai and Japanese and other east asians allowed.
Your talking about upper middle and upper class Thai men here. Although, what you state is true, I wouldn't hold it as a benchmark for normal thai spending on prostitution. In fact I know places in BKK where middle class thais pay 800ST.
Lets look at the average massage parlour (nation wide) prices that services the average thai guy. A run of the mill fuck will cost a Thai somewhere between 1200-2000 for a ST 2 hour fuck. Now compare that with the average amount a foreinger spends in a touristy area (excluding drinks) : barfine 600 + 1500/2000 ST =2100/2600. Or maybe a beer bar; barfine 300 + 1000 =1300. Who spends more?I would agree with your point, however as stated by Fon Tok, there are far more Thai men "partaking" then Farang, so the total spend is much higher. Also, I would sau the spend in G-Clubs is far more, and the money they tend to spend at regular clubs trying to impress "good girls" is up there as well. Added together way more than the total spent by us foreign devils.
OsakaGin11
03-21-12, 11:17
Thaiair is fine but, try Singaporeair, outstanding! I have flown Japanese airlines, they are so so.ANA flight staff are warm and friendly, but I found that JAL too cold and distant for mine.
Tony Hoeprano
03-21-12, 12:15
I'd be willing to bet the blue collar / lower class Thais alone spend more baht than the falangs. Some of those Thai long haul drivers get high on yaba not only to stay awake, but to have enough time to make a deposit at the brothel on route to their destination.
A far more compelling argument is what smells worse, a Thai construction worker who just worked a 10 hour shift, or an Indian man who just took a shower.
the thai only venues in bangkok (usually soapies) are often in large buildings that look like hotels. one of these business might be larger than all the bars in cowboy (in square meters). and, there a number of these very large places. ever take the motorway out to bkk at night? you can see them from the road.)not to mention the hundreds of little two or three or four girl shops that service the local trade in areas like thonburi and khlong toei slum which cater to the less affluent thai men and teenagers in rather dismal clapbooard and sheet metal shacks and on the roofs of buildings etc. locals can get laid in these places for very cheap prices by surprisingly attractive (and sadly often ****) service providers.
there is a lot of pfp sex going on in siam that has nothing to do with tourism. farangs never see this side of the industry unless they are very good friends with or family of (married to) local people.
my ex'es brother has taken me to places where we both got some for 300b from very attractive girls on many occasions. while i was still marrried to his sister! up in the tiny villages in the sticks of issaan you can still find these prices if you are connected to a local.
Wolvenvacht
03-21-12, 20:15
can anyone recommend a place for more enthusiastic western-style dancing. i'd also be keen for recommendations for full nudity and a place where i could catch one of the more extreme sex shows without getting scammed.soi cowboy has full nudity in several a-gogos such as suzie wong. in between the "bangkok shuffle" line-up shows they have choreographed shows (oil massage, body painting, fake-lesbian show, .) and some "pussy" shows with girls pulling flowers or ribbons out of their pussies. nothing really extreme however.
actually i like the "bangkok shuffle" best since the girls are nude and allow you a good peek at them and you can call them over at any time. the girls in a choreographed show will not come to you until the show ends, so it is always a bit of a hit-and-miss thing to get her before another monger intercepts her.
My ex'es brother has taken me to places where we both got some for 300B from very attractive girls on many occasions.Yes, this is the classic upcountry "song" = no-frills brothel. Normally not quite indentured labour, but not far off it. They were usually about B50 when I was starting out, which seemed quite wonderful for a guy who was young, horny, and poor. But eventually they got depressing. The girls are young and, as you say, they can be remarkably pretty. But not surprisingly they generally seem like a pretty unhappy lot. Eventually I realized that for a bit more money I could find girls higher up the commercial sex food chain (for example at op ap nuat places) who were considerably happier. So I can't very well condemn them, since they provided me with years of sleazy fun, but they really are aimed at locals who want to get laid as cheaply as possible rather than those of us who want a somewhat nicer all around experience.
You're talking about the square meters of buildings. What does that have to do with anything?
Thais are not spending the money on nightlife that farangs are. You've said nothing to refute that.Well Gentleboner,
You complain that the girls I was with are average and I spend too much but where are your pictures? We have not seen any yet? Now to the point in question. I frequent.
Nataree, a popular massage place. It is known for having young Thai girls with white skin. The girls start at 1800-2000 for one pop in the fish bowl and 2200-3600 for the sideline girls.
The majority of customers I see there are Thai. For every Farang there is 10 Thai customers. They are drinking and usually spending money like crazy on the sideline girls, the more expensive ones. The building beside the Nataree complex is a high end massage for Thai men. I frequently see expensive cars, men in suits entering and exiting. One day I popped in and was able to talk with the popa son. He said they normally don't let Farang in but they will make exceptions if they are dressed well. He commented most Farangs try to come in with shorts, t shirts, and sandals LOL. I think this holds true for most Thai places don't let foreigners in very often. A perfect example is our friend here Gentleboner. Always complaining about prices. Thais will spend a lot more for quality then most Farangs. What about the G clubs? Thais will spend 3-5000Baht just to sit and drink with a girl for the evening, and then maybe more to take her home after. Many members complain on here about prices, do you think the Thais have a forum like this? If they do do you think they complain about high prices? Of course not. If they see a girl they like then they pay whatever it takes. It is common sense. Whatever your budget is you go to a place that is within that budget. Why make yourself look cheap by going to a high end place and offering below the market price there? Gentleboner you can't go shopping at Central malls and expect to pay night market prices. * Just a note for admin. I posted this using the Google chrome browser. When posting the text does not wrap around like normal. Have the words appears on the upper line and the other half on the lower line. This could be the reason for the hard returns on some posts. Instead of pressing return I just pressed the space bar until the word moved to the next line, hope that helps!
I'm checking out google maps for Khlong Toei, is it at all possible to just trawl the streets and get invited
Or would a farang not speaking thai just get robbed and left to go home empty handed?
Traveler1234
03-22-12, 19:39
Well Gentleboner,
The majority of customers I see there are Thai. For every Farang there is 10 Thai customers.From 1983 to about 2005, I regularly visited LOS . Average 3 or 4 visits to BKK per year. And always go out with my local Thai friends to the Soapy MP.
You are absolutely on the ball. The percentage of locals to farangs is overwhelming. And more often than not, whereas farang picks from fishbowl, most locals take the sideliners. Patpong, Nana and Soi Cowboy rely on farangs and overseas visitors but the rest of the p4p relies primarily on locals. It's not even close!
GentleBoner
03-23-12, 02:33
If we're going to reference what upper class Thais spend at G-Clubs and soapies, it's only fair to compare them to what an upper class farang spends on women while visiting Thailand.
Would anyone care to claim it's less than 5000 in a night? I doubt it.
Traveler1234
03-23-12, 02:37
If we're going to reference what upper class Thais spend at G-Clubs and soapies, it's only fair to compare them to what an upper class farang spends on women while visiting Thailand.
Would anyone care to claim it's less than 5000 in a night? I doubt it.I would venture the visitors from the regional asian countries [yes, including Japan and Korea] spend more than the farangs [yes, the Yanks, the Nobs and others].
I mean, we got guys here who say they never tip, or complain when other 'over-pay'. These same guys are the ones who want the best lookers, the best service and at the lowest prices. LOL.
If we're going to reference what upper class Thais spend at G-Clubs and soapies, it's only fair to compare them to what an upper class farang spends on women while visiting Thailand. Would anyone care to claim it's less than 5000 in a night? I doubt it.How many "upper class" farang visit Thailand for pussy? Maybe six.
It is obvious you know very little about what actually goes on in Thailand beyond Soi Bright Lights, and are just a persistent troll. :)
GentleBoner
03-23-12, 03:29
How many "upper class" farang visit Thailand for pussy? Maybe six.
It is obvious you know very little about what actually goes on in Thailand beyond Soi Bright Lights, and are just a persistent troll. .Yes, only 6 rich farangs visit Thailand per year. That makes sense.
Personal attacks aren't a proper replacement for a good argument.
Clearly you're mad because I insulted farangs who marry an Isaan girl and support her family, which is likely what you're doing.
Yes, only 6 rich farangs visit Thailand per year. That makes sense.
Personal attacks aren't a proper replacement for a good argument.
Clearly you're mad because I insulted farangs who marry an Isaan girl and support her family, which is likely what you're doing.Not mad. Or insulted. I've got a great family.
Humored. You knowledge of Thailand, is, well, not worth an argument. Never mind, troll onward my friend, troll onward. ;)
I'm checking out google maps for Khlong Toei, is it at all possible to just trawl the streets and get invited
Or would a farang not speaking thai just get robbed and left to go home empty handed?Sounds like a great idea. Be sure to report back. If you can.
Just wondering if there are any burmese (myanmar) girls
Available in Bangkok. Bros who are experience in BKK, kindly share if you have any info ya.
Thank you very much.
Just wondering if there are any burmese (myanmar) girls
Available in Bangkok. Bros who are experience in BKK, kindly share if you have any info ya.
Thank you very much.There used to be 3-4 regulars in the BG soi 7 who were Burmese, haven't seen them in awhile. Unless you spoke really good Thai, you wouldn't know they were Burmese and they wouldn't tell guys either.
If we're going to reference what upper class Thais spend at G-Clubs and soapies, it's only fair to compare them to what an upper class farang spends on women while visiting Thailand.
Would anyone care to claim it's less than 5000 in a night? I doubt it.If your idea of upper class is spending approx 2200-3500Baht on a sideline girl at a soapy then you need to give your head a shake. I would hardly consider Nataree to be upper class An upper class massage place would be Poseidan where the girls start at 6000Baht.
How many "upper class" farang visit Thailand for pussy? Maybe six.I'm intrigued. Who are the other five?
I have seen some cute burmese girls in Indian restaurants on Suk 11 and Suk 8. Didn't have time to explore but looks like they are game. They seem to be working from 11am to 11pm, which might make it difficult to get them out. Also check with CD shops on the streets. They are mostly managed by Burmese guys. They will have some recommendation.
Hifly.
Just wondering if there are any burmese (myanmar) girls
Available in Bangkok. Bros who are experience in BKK, kindly share if you have any info ya.
Thank you very much.
Etaoin2003
03-24-12, 01:38
Google Street View added Thailand today, including a drive down Soi Cowboy (in the daytime). Image quality seems higher than usual, but they seem to have some magic that detects and blurs faces. Could be virtual beer goggles.
So far I have not found anybody mooning the Google-mobile, but there's always hope.
They did not drive down Soi 4 or Soi 33.
Personal attacks aren't a proper replacement for a good argument.What you write is clearly unaware to 90 percent of the forum, or at least those who have many years of experience.
You can disprove yourself very easily by taking a tour of Thailand and checking out enterntainment venues in every province.
Even if you visited a hundred Soapy Massage Parlours in and around Bangkok, you would see that most of the customers are Thai or at least East Asian.
GentleBoner
03-24-12, 06:56
What you write is clearly unaware to 90 percent of the forum, or at least those who have many years of experience.
You can disprove yourself very easily by taking a tour of Thailand and checking out enterntainment venues in every province.
Even if you visited a hundred Soapy Massage Parlours in and around Bangkok, you would see that most of the customers are Thai or at least East Asian.East Asians are foreigners.
Just Seven
03-24-12, 13:29
All this talk of farang this vs thai this complain about price blahblahblah.
In case you haven't figured out WHY farangs complain about price:
They come to Thailand as a CHEAP (er) mongering destination.
The local thai guys. They are locals, obviously they are not complaining about the prices because THEY travel somewhere else for CHEAP mongering.
As for koreans and japanese, do they complain? You bet your ass they do, just not on ISG as this is generally an english speakers website.
If you think thai men, Hong kong guys, Chinese guys, korean guys, japanese guys, every country and every language guys do not have their own version of ISG where they complain about the exact same things including price and service. Well, I might just have pretty young beautiful girl waiting for you at the end of this dark alley!
The cycle goes on and on, sadly, I am leaving the Bangkok thread. In a place where the P4P scene is so open, theres nothing to discuss except for price vs service and the inevitable decline of one and the awful increase of the other. Until another spot becomes the new favorite.
I hear the mongering in africa is good.
East Asians are foreigners.Yes, but they are not "Farang". I shouldn't have mentioned them.
All this talk of farang this vs thai this complain about price blahblahblah.
In case you haven't figured out WHY farangs complain about price:
They come to Thailand as a CHEAP (er) mongering destination.The purpose of this thread is to share useful information about mongering in BKK. That should be obvious. It is not useful for guys to publish total nonsense or endless whinging about about others spoiling the market. Bangkok is not the cheapest place in the world for mongering. So to all those where price is paramount, I would suggest go elsewhere. I have heard you can get a girl, out of town who doesn't speak English, in Cambodia for $5. I am sure Africa is much cheaper too.
Okay would be nice to see good informational reports start to dominate this thread and others. Sensible questions allowed too, where answer is not toally obvious or very difficult to find out. Yes I am not the thread police, but I merely think its worth thinking about how a forum can be useful.
just wondering if there are any burmese (myanmar) girlswhat does it matter what country she comes from? there are a wide variety of ethnic races in burma (myanmar) , so maybe you should be more specific about what types particularly appeal to you. i am only familiar with so called "thai yai" that come from the northern mountains close to china / tibet and are in conflict with and persecuted by burmese goverment / military. their language is slightly understandable to me with some similarities to issan and northern thai. there are huge numbers of thai yai that have fleed from myanmar into thailand in northern provinces like chiang rai, mae hong son, chiang mai. not sure if that many in bangkok these days, but i heard there is a hotel that employs them.
many small islands have burmese working their that don't speak thai, like koh tao, koh samet, for example. i didn't find these types of girls to be specially pretty, to my personal taste.
largely girls from other countries are not officially permitted to work in the sex industry and could be quickly deported. when thaksin came to power, many foreign girls and **** were expelled from the sex industry venues due to not having the right identity card, but they seem to be creeping back these days.
With all this talk about prices I was reading an article online yesterday that a street worker in Bangladesh is US $0. 60 or 60 cents. Haven't heard of much cheaper than that.
Where do I get MILF type / office going women in Bangkok?
Nana bars where I regularly get girls for 1500 ST:
Spanky
Mandarin
Erotica (2d or 3d floor)
Share yours.
On a different note, I went into Hollywood in Nana today, it is just me or do the girls look and behave like ladyboys?
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