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NicFrenchy
06-05-12, 11:54
I have had several non P4P girlfriends (and once a Farang wife) but they were usually inadequate sexual providers when I have got used to really super sex, e. G. Many are not exactly BJ experts and often try to shirk these duties, despite usually liking the DATY I give in return.Yep, many non P4P girls are not experts but when taught right, they can be sex predators. My best experiences are with non P4P ladies. Granted, it takes time and effort to get there, but once you get the girl used to it then she's all open for everything.
Anal, CIM, Sex in public places. You name it.
That's my experience anyway
AussieDoug
06-05-12, 12:16
Actually, this is the only part where I think our opinions Differ. I think Thai ladies like a Man to take charge, it is in their culture. They're not sure enough to propose something that you may not like. They are waiting for you to take the lead.
Also, even though they can take care of themselves, they require a certain feeling of Safety / Security, they may not ask for any money or not need any, but when the time comes they like to know that their man is going to be able to step up.It's the tecahing of Thevrada Bhuddism. A family must be led by one person (none of this western consensus bullshit) and that one person is the husband. The women get to control the household budget and say what goes with the children. All else is decided by the husband.
I think that you have a very important point. Some of us have done the wife / GF thing for long and many times, and are eventually disillusioned by it. We haven't discovered a joy / bliss relationship that has really been worth the time and money expended on it. Add to that the sex dindles aways over the years to reach far from adequate frequency, even if the sex was pretty good from a quality point of view.
Some of us then fail to see that the benefits of the wife / GF are sufficient. Its easier to collect several female friends that may or may not be Giks too, for the part time companionship, when and if we feel like it, but also get to escape from the many hassles and arguments of normal couple life and be able to have peace and quiet of being alone. We can simply outsource the sex part and be quite happy to pay for it as can be top quality, not boring and essentially always available on demand. The only GFs that really gave me as much sex as I wanted were also psychologically unbalanced. Never found the perfect girl personality and a sex maniac rolled into one. It just doesn't happen that much or I was never lucky enough or good enough to find one and grab her quickly enough.
What's the attraction to trying to meet new girls to fuck for free. I guess its the challenge for those who have the spare time for these games. Some of us are too busy with other things to make this worthwhile investment of time. Its obviously dependent on the success rate too. If you are an old very straight talking guy like me, lacking in expert charm, girls won't be attracted at first meeting. They usually start liking me more after the sex has already occurred, or pretend to. .
I have had several non P4P girlfriends (and once a Farang wife) but they were usually inadequate sexual providers when I have got used to really super sex, e. G. Many are not exactly BJ experts and often try to shirk these duties, despite usually liking the DATY I give in return.
Maybe ex-P4P girlfriends is a reasonable compromise, if they are self supporting. Very experienced, but now hopefully very horny due to the removal of their daily sex supply. I don't think P4P girlfriends is able to work well while they are still working P4P. I have tried it twice before but created its problems. E. G. The girls fucks other guys but requires you to be faithful. That's a somewhat bullshit scenario even though she fucked me essentially for free! One of these girls was really fabulous on the bed, but still was too hard to get completely adequate frequency under those conditions even though she worked only 3-4 days per week, causing me to need to cheat anyway at times. Nothing worse than girls that are too tired to fuck or essentially "fucked out".
I do have a relationship with a girl that is not sexually based. She is essentially my adopted very close sister. This seems to work better than the GF thing. Regular Giks paid or not also seems to work better for me. Obviously the unpaid ones are usually somewhat older girls, but I am reluctant to turn them into a permanent GF, due to difficulty to cure the sex-addict thing completely although can go without for several weeks when nothing great on offer (e. G. My home country).Very well stated. In a nutshell, what makes a girl a good "mate" and companion can sometimes be at odds with what makes a girl a wonderful "sex partner." Most girls I really enjoy doinking are not the kind I would want to have a relationship with. Took me a marriage or two in Farangland to realize this. I do think the Asian man has this figured out pretty much from the get go. You have your wife and family at home and something to have fun with on the side. They are two different things. Compartmentalization is the way to go.
Who out there still maintains the same sexual interest in a gal they have been with for a time? I would say very few men do. Asian culture tends to "allow" for this. Western culture does not. Of course you are expected to be discreet and that is where so many Westerners fall down.
One can have their cake and eat it too.
LittleBigMan
06-05-12, 14:01
Very well stated. In a nutshell, what makes a girl a good "mate" and companion can sometimes be at odds with what makes a girl a wonderful "sex partner." Most girls I really enjoy doinking are not the kind I would want to have a relationship with. Took me a marriage or two in Farangland to realize this. I do think the Asian man has this figured out pretty much from the get go. You have your wife and family at home and something to have fun with on the side. They are two different things. Compartmentalization is the way to go.
Who out there still maintains the same sexual interest in a gal they have been with for a time? I would say very few men do. Asian culture tends to "allow" for this. Western culture does not. Of course you are expected to be discreet and that is where so many Westerners fall down.
One can have their cake and eat it too.To me " The grass is never greener " eventually all grass turns brown? Or all good things eventually come to a end?
LBM
it may be a little early to tell, but i recall it did not work very well for [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900).could be but maybe at that time there was less expeertize on franchising and the strategy around it. i mean i don't think drbj will become the new starbucks, but also some 10 or 15 years ago such a franchise would have been given a short life.
from what i see in the website, drbj is already distinguished from any other place by the decoration, the presentation etc. that helps in creating the franchise. jsut calling drbj an ordinary bj bar somehwere else doesn't work, i agree. but if you set some obvious and visible "trademarks" it might work.
LittleBigMan
06-05-12, 14:07
It's the tecahing of Thevrada Bhuddism. A family must be led by one person (none of this western consensus bullshit) and that one person is the husband. The women get to control the household budget and say what goes with the children. All else is decided by the husband.This might be true of the tecahing of Thevrada Bhuddism, obviously with Thai men you got to be home to make a decision and you got to be sober too! Or you got to be able to find them? The women has to control the household budget or it would be gone for that Thai whiskey or gasoline they drink. When my sling runs out of gas and I need to get it started quickly I put some in and it runs like new? In Thailand, they have to believe in something and I guess Bhuddism is as good as the next?
LBM
I don't think DrBJ will become the new StarbucksIf it were possible to open some in the US, it would most likely expand faster than Starbucks in its heyday.
If it were possible to open some in the US, it would most likely expand faster than Starbucks in its heyday.We can bet on this. And I am sure Bill will be the best testimonial. Aye's role will be taken over by Monica. Oooooooooooops!
Mr Enternational
06-05-12, 15:54
If it were possible to open some in the US, it would most likely expand faster than Starbucks in its heyday.Bullshit. Grand Opening that morning. Grand Closing that night. People in my country could not handle a thing like that. It would only take a few hours before someone was there shooting up the place because they were jealous that someone else was having relations with "their girl."
NicFrenchy
06-05-12, 16:22
Bullshit. Grand Opening that morning. Grand Closing that night. People in my country could not handle a thing like that. It would only take a few hours before someone was there shooting up the place because they were jealous that someone else was having relations with "their girl."I disagree, if you think about the US of A, then before the jealous BF's appear, there will be the feminists, Christians and Muslim assholes, some other religious fucks, The Children protecting morons and whichever other manipulating groups you can think of.
Politics will most probably do nothing about it, they'll just declare WAR on it. I can see the headlines from Here: Government declares WAR on Blowjobs!
In the USA, they love to declare war on things but they never do something about it.
DR BJ in the US? Nah, don't waste a good concept on these assholes
NicFrenchy
06-05-12, 16:27
From what I see in the website, DrBJ is already distinguished from any other place by the decoration, the presentation etc. That helps in creating the franchise. Jsut calling DrBJ an ordinary BJ bar somehwere else doesn't work, I agree. But if you set some obvious and visible "trademarks" it might work.You are correct.
First of all, their website is very nicely done. Any competitor either doen NOT have a website, or has a bad one.
Nest thing you know, they'll create an APP that will tell you which girl is working NOW and which is available
I second that! Please guys, get a DIA or TLL girl and sponsor her so that when she meets expats like us, she's just looking for a fuck caus she's horny when the BF is overseas. LOLYour brush paints a wide stroke. Too bad you narrow your vision to such stereotypical comments. For an expat with such a command of Thai culture and tradition you sure leave out any human element. You should not take such a harsh view that all Thai women who who have relationships with farangs just wait in line for the next expat to come around! Naive at best, ignorant at worst.
Pointy Stick
06-05-12, 16:59
you are correct.
first of all, their website is very nicely done. any competitor either doen not have a website, or has a bad one.
nest thing you know, they'll create an app that will tell you which girl is working now and which is availableit should also allow you to input your preferences such as age, cim, rimming and deep-throat / face-fucking and then come up with the girls on the roster that day who offer these services.
maybe it could also take bitcoins as a deposit system to ensure your choice is booked rather than have her taken by walk-in traffic and leaving you frustrated for choice.
of course they could also introduce 'groupon' functionality whereby during quieter times a coupon is sent to repeat customer who have the app installed and those who present the internet coupon within a set period of time get a substantial discount.
such a service may appeal to mongers travelling with families who want to precisely time their activities and maxmise their limited window of mongering opportunity than put up with the vagueries of having chance it at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900).
Politics will most probably do nothing about it, they'll just declare WAR on it. I can see the headlines from Here: Government declares WAR on Blowjobs!
In the USA, they love to declare war on things but they never do something about it.
DR BJ in the US? Nah, don't waste a good concept on these assholesIf nothing has changed recently, in some States of the USA some forms of sex (even deserving some specific threads on ISG) are completely illegal, even between husband and wife. If somebody comes to know that the couple has had this illegal sex form he can report them to police.
NicFrenchy
06-05-12, 18:34
Your brush paints a wide stroke. Too bad you narrow your vision to such stereotypical comments. For an expat with such a command of Thai culture and tradition you sure leave out any human element. You should not take such a harsh view that all Thai women who who have relationships with farangs just wait in line for the next expat to come around! Naive at best, ignorant at worst.That was meant as a joke, obviously, I failed. No humor in this forum?
Harry Dude
06-05-12, 19:17
Hahaha no. Every thai girls does this, it's a cultural thing, not about smelling if you have had a shower recently or not.This is the so-called "sniff kiss" or "nose kiss". Very popular in Vietnam also.
The following link has an explanation:
http://peterdickinson.hubpages.com/hub/The-Wonderful-Asian-Sniff-Kiss
"The Thai name for the Sniff Kiss is 'Hawm Kaem' which translates as 'sweet smell cheek'. In the West it the nearest equivalent would be perhaps called a 'Sister Kiss' only it is not actually the same. Sniff Kissing is the norm in Thailand and over much of Asia."
Hi,
I am in BKK for a night and would want to make the best use of it.
I know, I know. Its not a big deal to find pussy in BKK, I have been there, done that.
What I am asking for is if anyone has any direct contacts who I can call for the whole night & day (to treat her well). Can you please share it?
I am looking for decent providers preferably under 30 who are friendly, GFE and easy going. And is willing to hang out with me outside the bedroom as well!
I am there tomorrow night (6/7). Thursday night to Friday night.
Just ping me if you got anything to share, else I will be left to try the Tulip, Rainbow and stuff.
Thanks!
-R.
Horny Landoora
06-06-12, 08:18
What I am asking for is if anyone has any direct contacts who I can call for the whole night & day (to treat her well). Can you please share it?There are lots of escort services who can fulfil your requirement if you are interested in them. Apart from that people here have boasted lot of success through online websites like tagged and thailoveline! Although I don't think it is like instant coffee and you have to build the contact over time. In any case as you said rightly your are in Oasis of pussy and you can choose any at end of the day!
Hello all,
In the last weeks I informed me alot reading this forum. Now I arrived in Bangkok and report my expiriences.
1 day :
Arrived after 14-hour journey, quite tired, all I wanted was an relaxing massage.without extras.
Asked the concierge at hotel, and he pointed me to www.thetouch1.com At 11/2 ruamrudee.
There I got an fantastic 3-hour aroma oil and thai massage for 1300bth, and felt as well as could be.
Nice place, don't ask for extras, but as an traditional massage place they are very professional.
2. Day :
Went out for annies at 13:00, talked to mamasan, and choosed nr 50.
Nice girl, medium english, a-cups, very sensitive.
What can I say. Day started perfectly with "all annies standards". I think I don't have to explain those.
Now it is raining very heavy, but in 2 hours my day will go on.
To be continued.
Harald
AussieDoug
06-06-12, 14:33
Hi,
I am in BKK for a night and would want to make the best use of it.
I know, I know. Its not a big deal to find pussy in BKK, I have been there, done that.
What I am asking for is if anyone has any direct contacts who I can call for the whole night & day (to treat her well). Can you please share it?
I am looking for decent providers preferably under 30 who are friendly, GFE and easy going. And is willing to hang out with me outside the bedroom as well!
I am there tomorrow night (6/7). Thursday night to Friday night.
Just ping me if you got anything to share, else I will be left to try the Tulip, Rainbow and stuff.
Thanks!
-R.Just go to Soi Cowboy, find what looks good to you and tell her what you want, all night and the next day, and you pay exra for the daytime. No problem you will find something for sure. Remember daytime is washing the clothes time, so the prospect of more money and maybe a shopping trip thrown in does appeal to them usually. If you want a recomendation go to Mandarin Bar in Nana Plaza, and ask for numbers 72 and 54, both should be good to go.
NicFrenchy
06-06-12, 16:24
What I am asking for is if anyone has any direct contacts who I can call for the whole night & day (to treat her well). Can you please share it?Call Annies and she will set you up with a Great Girl
Thanks for the reco. Now I only need to race against those who read this note of yours and reach there before them tomorrow night! Damn, the flight gets in at 10. 30 pm.
Follow up question - what is the going rate at Rainbow4?, been over a year since I bought something from that shop... Is is the same at Mandarin?
Just go to Soi Cowboy, find what looks good to you and tell her what you want, all night and the next day, and you pay exra for the daytime. No problem you will find something for sure. Remember daytime is washing the clothes time, so the prospect of more money and maybe a shopping trip thrown in does appeal to them usually. If you want a recomendation go to Mandarin Bar in Nana Plaza, and ask for numbers 72 and 54, both should be good to go.
Thanks Nic, but just to confirm that I got it right (my head is wired in a weird way). You mean calling Annies Massage parlor, correct?
Call Annies and she will set you up with a Great Girl
Der Tourist
06-07-12, 00:17
I've been reading a lot of negative views on go-go bars on ISG by some people who claim they're overpriced, that girls are too often starfish, ugly, that they're overrun by the Japanese etc. True sometimes, I had experienced some of that in the past. But I'll share my latest experiences after dropping in Bangkok for a few days which so far probably were the best two nights ever in terms of my Thailand mongering experience (I have done a total of around 30 girls in Bangkok, Pattaya and Patong over the past few years).
So I went to the big and famous Baccara in Soi Cowboy at about 20:30. I know it's kinda early but I like to see girls coming to work and getting on stage. Anyway, there were enough girls on and off stage already. Action was picking up by 21:00. There was that pretty and very slim girl I noticed almost immediately. I'm very much into those very very slim and small girls that have no belly sticking out (it was more like sticking in). So a perfect sight for my eyes. I can't rate in terms of x out of 10 because I believe tastes may differ. In any case, to describe the girl she was 25 yo, about 150cm tall, perhaps around 35kg, perfectly shaped body proportions I. E. A cute lovely bum, rather small albeit real and well shaped boobies, small and slim hands and arms. Well, one of those small and very petite girls with a very lovely face (certainly so for my taste!).
I wasn't sure if she'd be good or not, starfish or the opposite. I bought her lady drink and had a chat for perhaps 10 minutes after which she went back on stage. At that point I got a bit confused because she kinda left too soon "to dance" and I wasn't sure whether this was due to the regular rules in the bar or because she didn't like me. She was back after one song and we sat down for another 10 or 15 minutes after which I barfined her. It was 21:30 by then. Still fairly early. The place was getting packed with Japanese guys by then.
So off we went back to my hotel in Soi 11. I still didn't quite have much of an idea what she was like. Her english was rather limited which was an obstacle to get to know her a bit better. And she didn't even seem very talkative at the beginning. Fair enough, we met just minutes ago and were on a way to the hotel.
Once in the hotel room it was where the good things started to happen. No rush to shower but lots of cuddling and proper kissing. Slowly without rush from either side. Although by then I kew she was a 100% GFE and seemingly a very nice girl. Then quick shower time and into bed. She's "hiding" under the blanket upon me leaving the shower although it's clearly a little silly game of "come and get me". Then that's what happened. Slowly, gently and again with no rush. Lots and lots of tongue kissing, gentle biting and silly talk such as "I'd like to bite a bit of your ear because it looks tasty" followed by laugh. So it carries on for like 30 or so minutes which includes kissing (lots of) , cuddling, touching and similar stuff. WHAT a GFE! Just doesn't get much better than that. She did lots of talking but her English was quite bad which means I couldn't understand most what she said. So just nodded and pretended that I understood. Anyway she was rather keen to tell about her friends and stuff like that and did her best to make sure I understand even though her English language was indeed very limited.
Then a polite request for blowjob from my side."Sure" is the answer. Good BBBJ (I'm not necessarily a very huge fan of prolonged bjs so I didn't take it for too long anyway, but it was good) followed by DATY from my side. Again more kissing and playing with tongues. Then asked if she's ok to do 69. OOOOOOOkkkk, she said with a funny smile and we're doing 69. All very good and smooth, the pussy is very small, well shaped and tasty including the ass which she didn't mind to get licked. Also sticking the tip of the little finger inside the round hole didn't seem to cause any negative reaction which was rather surprising given that all past attempts have caused some kind of (usually negative) reaction. Only after trying to do a bit more resulted in a rather gentle disapproval (not sure if that was real though because I wouldn't really go too far with this anyway. Maybe she wouldn't have minded?). All good. Time to put on condom and get to the regular stuff.
Missionary followed by missionary with her legs on my shoulders. Good stuff, she seems to enjoy it or at least pretend it very well. Then a rather intense doggy style in some various pose adjustments. Then asked if "can I come on you?". She answers "yes, ok". Good. She turns back to the initial missionary position and gets a load on her tits and face all the way from the chin area via eye corner to the brows and forehead. No dissatisfaction, just a little "aaaah!" followed with a smile. Then I helped her to clean the mess with a towel. Quick shower afterwards.
Afterwards some more cuddling, kissing and bla bla bla. She was not exactly rushing to leave. I asked if she's going back to the bar and she said no, she goes back to her friend or something like that. She was actually waiting for her friend "to finish work" and call her. So we spent another 1. 5 hours or so cuddling, kissing, messing around in the bed and so on. At the end took her number and promised to take her the day after (didn't do that but still may do some time later). She said she's not working in the bar every day.
Before leaving she agreed to pose for some photos with my big-ass DSLR camera with a big-ass lense. She wasn't afraid of it at all which wa a bit surprising. Often bargirls are rather scared of it or need to get convinced that it's not for any bad intentions. She even wanted to take my picture with her fake iPhone like device but I gently escaped (just in case.).
Paymet time. I knew I was owing her 2000 but till asked "how much should I give you?". She said "normally 2000 for short time, but it's up to customer". I gave her 2100 with 100 being "for the taxi" and she seemed very happy with that. Again, some more kissing and "bye bye" nonsense. Another pose for a photo near the room door.
Also, no any kind of bad attitude just 100% smile and good manners combined with good service and accommodation of all requests. Also, unlike some girls, no iPhones or similar expensive gadgets. Just a cheapo fake iPhone-lookalike phone and unbranded LV-lookalike bag. You could say she's not wasting money on things she doesn't really need.
Anyway, it was a bye bye time. I lead her to the lift where just a minute later I met my friend who was also doing the same thing with his girl from Rainbow 1. Right,"his girl". This is what I got interested in and this is what the next report should be all about.
Anyway, that was it for the night. 100% great experience with a very lovely and pretty girl which is somewhat contradictory to those negative opinions about go-go scene that I've been reading her and there. Doesn't get much better than this. Or does it? I guess I'll have to post it in my next report which happened a day after (which was yesterday).
That was meant as a joke, obviously, I failed. No humor in this forum?All is forgiven. If you were joking. No harm, no foul. If you were H444 you would have escalated this to the point of absurdity. I applaud your response.
It's the tecahing of Thevrada Bhuddism. A family must be led by one person (none of this western consensus bullshit) and that one person is the husband. The women get to control the household budget and say what goes with the children. All else is decided by the husband.Maybe you got the wrong religion?
You don't spell Theravada Buddhism too well. I therefore assume you are not very expert. Nor am I, but I have some idea how to spell it. At the time of the Buddha, women in all societies were treated as inferiors. From my reading, the Buddha was if anything more towards a reciprocal relationship in a marriage, and expressed similar duties for the man and the woman, compared to the norms of his time. Many Asian cultures have the male in a dominant position. Why blame Buddhism?
In Buddhism, marriage is not a religious ceremony, apparently.
Thai society values are not governed totally by Buddhism either. Thais have many beliefs that are completely outside of Buddhist teachings.
NicFrenchy
06-07-12, 02:39
Thanks Nic, but just to confirm that I got it right (my head is wired in a weird way). You mean calling Annies Massage parlor, correct?Yes mate, that's exactly what I meant. You can Call Aey and ask her to recommend a girl that suits your likes for that night. Usually she is spot-on.
You could also go to a nice Soapy, have a Duo / Trio of girls with you and then ditch the ones that don't perform.
If Money is no object, then that's what I would do. Give a 1, 000 to Papasan, book a suite with Jacuzzi, and let him bring the girls to you. LA BELLE is a good place for that.
NicFrenchy
06-07-12, 02:47
Great Report!
This is the so-called "sniff kiss" or "nose kiss". Very popular in Vietnam also.
The following link has an explanation:
http://peterdickinson.hubpages.com/hub/The-Wonderful-Asian-Sniff-Kiss
"The Thai name for the Sniff Kiss is 'Hawm Kaem' which translates as 'sweet smell cheek'. In the West it the nearest equivalent would be perhaps called a 'Sister Kiss' only it is not actually the same. Sniff Kissing is the norm in Thailand and over much of Asia."Its really a "sniff' rather than a kiss. I'm not sure why westerners want to call it a sniff-kiss."hawm gaem" really means "sniff the cheek" as hawm (rising tone) can be a verb, but its an idiom. There is a sort of implication that it's sniffing a nice scent / aroma, as a different word "men" (rising tone) is used for smelling a stink. However normally if trying to smell something very close to the nose "dom" is used to mean "sniff".
Member #4698
06-07-12, 03:05
I've been reading a lot of negative views on go-go bars on ISG by some people who claim they're overpriced, that girls are too often starfish, ugly, that they're overrun by the Japanese etc. So I went to the big and famous Baccara in Soi Cowboy at about 20:30. 100% great experience with a very lovely and pretty girl. Doesn't get much better than this.I think this just proves that you can't believe everything you read on the internet. IMHO, to go to Bangkok and not check out a few Go Go bars is crazy. To go to Bangkok and not check out a few massage parlors is equally crazy.
Baccara Cowboy is a great bar and one of my favorite Go Go's in LOS. I have tagged a lot of fun girls from Baccara over the years and I have a friendly on going relationship with two Baccara girls since 2010. Naturally, not all the girls I have had were amazing, but I have had no bad experiences. Most of my Baccara girls have been well worth shagging and a few have been memorable. I know a number of girls there that match DT's description of his girl. ST means one shot and they are not spending the night. LT means multiple shots and they are. The standard session always includes soapy shower, BBBJ and covered sex. After sex most of the girls are in no hurry to leave. Sometimes I take them out barhopping or out to dinner afterwards. Sometimes we stay in my suite and watch TV and cuddle. Many girls prefer not to go back to Baccara and get back on stage. They are satisfied with one barfine a night. Management does not require the girls to come back to work.
The first criticism of Baccara is prices are high. True, but I do not know of a Go Go with more talent and friendlier girls. Spending an extra 600bt on drinks and an incrementaly higher barfine in Baccara over some other Go Go on Cowboy or Nana for an almost guaranteed good time with a quality girl is worth it to me. If the talent were as plentiful and as good elsewhere, I would be there. Rainbow IV is my 2nd most favorite Go Go in BKK. Rainbow IV always seems to have 5 or 6 stunners (8* or higher) on stage, but my experiences at Rainbow IV are more mixed than at Baccara and there does not seem to be the same party vibe there. So my sole criticism of Baccara is that there are not that many stunners (8*) around. I am a tough grader. I go to the soapies like La Belle for stunners and usually pay more. But Baccara has a plethora of good looking doable girls (6* and above). In terms of sheer numbers of eligible, fun girls, no Go Go bar in BKK touches it.
The second criticism is about the Japanese customers ie there are too many of them and they spend too much, blah blah blah. It is true that maybe 70% of the customers are Asian (Japanese, Chinese and Korean) and 30% White, but the Asian guys are always well behaved fellow punters. I have no problem with them. Some of them spend a lot of money and others spend only a little. There are always more than enough girls in Baccara to handle the demand. No matter how crowded I have seen the bar, there was always at least 50 or more available girls. So what's the problem? Answer – there isn't one. Baccara Cowboy sets the standard for Thai Go Go's.
Tony Hoeprano
06-07-12, 06:11
Yeah, I always try to find some new place to down to enjoy the sights at Soi Cowboy, but I always end up at Baccarra. Those chicks are smokin hot! I like the music they play here too.. good dj they have
I think this just proves that you can't believe everything you read on the internet. IMHO, to go to Bangkok and not check out a few Go Go bars is crazy. To go to Bangkok and not check out a few massage parlors is equally crazy.A lot has to do with the chemistry one builds with the girl and how the man behaves too. It is true we pay the girls, but if there is no fun in the deed, then it is "just another brick in the wall" for the girl too and she gets bored. Just as in any job. You still do it, deliver, but just about.
Der Tourist
06-07-12, 07:47
I think this just proves that you can't believe everything you read on the internet. IMHO, to go to Bangkok and not check out a few Go Go bars is crazy. To go to Bangkok and not check out a few massage parlors is equally crazy.Thanks Natty (and others who read my report). I haven't written many reports but I feel like I have to do it now. Especially having had this great experience so far.
Of course we could say it's just a good random accident. But the experience I had a day later (I will go into details in my next report. A baby-faced 18yo fresh to the scene doll with equally good if not better attitude and service than the first one) probably proves that it's not a coincidence and that Bangkok IS a great place for that.
Go-gos are also my mongering places of choice. Nothing else compares for numbers of girls available and how clearly you can see what you are getting; and really bad experiences are rare.
Horny Landoora
06-07-12, 11:24
A lot has to do with the chemistry one builds with the girl and how the man behaves too. It is true we pay the girls, but if there is no fun in the deed, then it is "just another brick in the wall" for the girl too and she gets bored. Just as in any job. You still do it, deliver, but just about.I second this Mr. B
Der Tourist
06-07-12, 11:54
Right, I guess this one should start where the previous report of day 1 ended.
Since I am staying with my friends in the same hotel we were taking girls at the same time in the evening. Coincidentally we also finished at about the same time (midnight) and I quickly wandered out near the elevator see my friend's girl. He just said "you may be interested. Come near the lift". I knew it was for a reason.
So here I see that 18 yo girl whom my friend just did and I was a bit baffled away. She was beautiful albeit not in a "hot stunning be*ch" way but in a cute way. She had a babyface and didn't quite look 18 although she obviously had her I'd card and works in one of the Rainbow bars in Nana. I asked the mamasan as well and she confirmed her age. Anyhow, I just decided I wanted her the next day.
So I just went to the bar after 8:30 and waited for her. Funnily the mamasan didn't realise that I was a different person from my friend the day before because we look very similar almost like tin brothers in some ways (although we are not even relatives). I didn't know her number or even name but just said "I want that young girl my friend have yesterday". She knew what I was about. She came to work 15 minutes later and the mamasan brought her straight to me.
Some girls in the bar were hot (especially one super-slim and tall one) some of whom were young (early 20's) while others were older (late 20's, even 30's). However this one was clearly standing out because she was obviously the youngest of all and also properly slim and pretty just as I like them to be. So as she came near me she did a "wai" and Sawadeekaaaaa with a little naughty smile on her face. She not only looked very young but also acted like she really was. A little silly and playful girl full of youthful energy and ready to play aroung. You could instantly say she's a GFE. Probably doesn't get much better. So I barfined her straight away (she didn't even change upon coming in) , had a drink and off we go. It was about 21:00 I think.
Back in the hotel, a rather similar story as the day before. She had a little bit less "classiness" in her behavior compared to the girl I had the night before. But I guess that's due to the age difference. You coud see she was fresh out of Isaan and obviously didn't have too much experience in this kind of job. She did, however, kiss very well. I was surprised because she was one of the best kissers I've had. She liked playing with my friend too. Lots of cuddling, touching and all that foreplay stuff. She got wet fairly quickly as well.
Could have messed around for longer but I decided it's just time to do it. The usual missionary, very good doggie. A little bit of DATY although she clearly is not very much used to it. She did seem to enjoy fingering though.
Finally finish with my load on her cute and lovely face which she did not try to escape or disapprove. Again, just as the night before, helping to wipe it off, shower and then went for a drink in a nearby hotel bar. She left midnight and we agreed that may meetup tomorrow (which still may happen). I have her 2100 (did not arrange it or ask at all. I don't do that anymore. At least not at the bar) and she seemed happy with that.
All in all a very lovely, youthful, playful and a little bit silly girl who is a pure pleasure to be with. Only problem she won't speak English too well. Just the very basic stuff which is a bit of an obstacle if you want to communicate with her properly. Although she seemed very keen of learning new words and explain the meaning of Thai words I don't know.
So pretty much a perfect experience second night in a row. I am still considering taking her LT tonight but may not do that if I see someone else I'd like to hit tonight.
One thing I did in both cases with this one and one the night before was being nice, respectful and treat them as an equal. I don't know if that really helps but I guess it probably doesn't make it worse.
Thank you Bangkok and Thailand for such lovely women and such great experiences.
Horny Landoora
06-07-12, 12:10
Its really a "sniff' rather than a kiss. I'm not sure why westerners want to call it a sniff-kiss."hawm gaem" really means "sniff the cheek" as hawm (rising tone) can be a verb, but its an idiom. There is a sort of implication that it's sniffing a nice scent / aroma, as a different word "men" (rising tone) is used for smelling a stink. However normally if trying to smell something very close to the nose "dom" is used to mean "sniff".Got me thinking and there are lot of wierd greetings around the world it seems and Sniff Kiss is still not unusual compared to what you see here.
http://blog.easytobook.com/cool-stuff/worldwide-greetings-traditions/
Wolvenvacht
06-07-12, 16:39
One thing I did in both cases with this one and one the night before was being nice, respectful and treat them as an equal. I don't know if that really helps but I guess it probably doesn't make it worse.Of course it helps! And not only in these kind of meetings. You get better service everywhere when you are friendly, smiling and do not treat people as your slaves. A little smile, a friendly "sawadee khrap", a token of genuine interest and appreciation in what they do, goes a long way and both parties end up feeling better afterwards.
I wonder if many of the members who report "bad" experiences with agogo girls perhaps have been less than gentlemanly with the girls. Being loud and drunk for sure is not going to help anyone getting a good performance.
Member #4698
06-07-12, 17:28
A lot has to do with the chemistry one builds with the girl and how the man behaves too.Absolutely. Treat the girls nice. Otis Redding is my guru on the subject with his great words of advice in his legendary song "Try a Little Tenderness"
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x10qck_otis-redding-try-a-little-tendernes_music#
Oh she may be weary. And young girls they do get wearied. Wearing that same old shaggy dress, Yeah yeah. But when she gets weary, Try a little tenderness, yeah yeah, Oh my my, huh.
You know she's waiting, Just anticipating. A thing that she'll never, never, never, never, never possess, yeah yeah yeah. But while she's there waiting and without them.
Try a little tenderness, That's all you got to do.
It's not just sentimental, no no no, She has her grief and care. Yeah yeah yeah. But the soft words, they are spoke so gentle, yeah. It makes it easier, easier to bare, yeah.
You won't regret it, no no, young girls they don't forget it. Love is their whole happiness, yeah, But it's all so easy. All you've got to do is, man,
Hold her where you want her, Squeeze her, don't tease her, Never leave her, get to her. Just try, try a little tenderness, yeah yeah yeah.
You got to know how to love her, man. Take this advice, man. You got to squeeze her, Don't tease her, never leave, You got to hold her, squeeze her, sock it, sock it, sock it to her. You've got to tenderness, now, uh, I tell you, don't lose her, no no. You got to love her, tease her, Don't leave her. Sock it, sock it sock it to her, Got to try, now now now.
Der Tourist
06-08-12, 07:47
There are those two hotties number 71 and 72. My kinda taste: super slim and somewhat tall. The "stunner" 10/10 kind of types. Well to me anyway. And seemingly to the Japanese. I asked if I can take one of them. Aparently no. They only go with the Japanese and, if we believe the mamasan, they get paid 10000THB. Just didn't understand if that's short time or long time. They wouldn't look at anyone with their initiative and act like zombies. Just sit down together in the corner and wait for another dance or a Jap who may want to barfine them. They are probably complete starfish but I would have still gone for either of them for the body alone. It's one of those cases when I don't care of money or service I guess. The ammasan said "oh not good. They want money too much"
Also, there's that 18 yo girl in Rainbow 1, if anone's interested. She does looks VERY young and is a nice girl, a GFE. Can't remember the number now (148 maybe? But I'm not sure). Name is Meky or Mekky (pronounced as meh-kee). If someone's up to some young experience, may be a good choice.
Anyway, cheers everyone. I will keep updated from my last day in BKK and later Pattaya if just anything memorable would happen.
Der Tourist
06-08-12, 07:52
Of course it helps! And not only in these kind of meetings. You get better service everywhere when you are friendly, smiling and do not treat people as your slaves. A little smile, a friendly "sawadee khrap", a token of genuine interest and appreciation in what they do, goes a long way and both parties end up feeling better afterwards.
I wonder if many of the members who report "bad" experiences with agogo girls perhaps have been less than gentlemanly with the girls. Being loud and drunk for sure is not going to help anyone getting a good performance.
I don't understand people who drink alot in go-go bars. Drinking makes you dizzy and also makes forget things you see. Not to mention it makes most guys act and look stupid and bad. It's like looking to the world through a distortion glass. For me it's two small beers and then pepsi / coke or just water with ice. I prefer to stay sharp and concentrated once looking at the girls. I don't mind if the girls get a little drunk though. :)
NicFrenchy
06-08-12, 09:05
I asked if I can take one of them. Aparently no. They only go with the Japanese and, if we believe the mamasan, they get paid 10000THB.Next time, just tell the waitress to go see the girl and tell her you are ready to take her to your hotel for 20k. She will come to your table, buy her a drink and be friendly. Then ask her what customers she usually picks. And when she says Japanese, tell her: "ah no, sorry, I don't like girls that go with Japanese". That might make her think. At least for 2mn until she thinks about som-tam again.
NicFrenchy
06-08-12, 09:08
I don't understand people who drink alot in go-go barsI drink a lot in Gogo Bars, but it's water or Soda (ok, sometimes I drink alcohol but not often)
They only go with the Japanese and, if we believe the mamasan, they get paid 10000THB.I once had an ex Rainbow 4 hot SYT offer that price for BBFS. I had to decline, knowing I could easily get it for a fraction of that.
Also, there's that 18 yo girl in Rainbow 1, if anone's interested. She does looks VERY young and is a nice girl, a GFE. Can't remember the number now (148 maybe? But I'm not sure). Name is Meky or Mekky (pronounced as meh-kee). If someone's up to some young experience, may be a good choice.18, is that even legal for her to work there, or a farang to bang such a sex worker?
I don't understand people who drink alot in go-go bars. Drinking makes you dizzy and also makes forget things you see. Not to mention it makes most guys act and look stupid and bad. It's like looking to the world through a distortion glass. For me it's two small beers and then pepsi / coke or just water with ice. I prefer to stay sharp and concentrated once looking at the girls. I don't mind if the girls get a little drunk though. :)True, and the sex dog doesn't function well when hammered, although the make out sessions are far better.
Next time, just tell the waitress to go see the girl and tell her you are ready to take her to your hotel for 20k. She will come to your table, buy her a drink and be friendly. Then ask her what customers she usually picks. And when she says Japanese, tell her: "ah no, sorry, I don't like girls that go with Japanese". That might make her think. At least for 2mn until she thinks about som-tam again.Hopefully no one takes this seriously & you haven't actually done something like that.
I drink a lot in Gogo Bars, but it's water or Soda (ok, sometimes I drink alcohol but not often)Another agreement from me. I don't get drunk except maybe New Year. Large amounts of alcohol is in order to forget the world. If I'm intending to have great sex, then I don't need the alcohol to forget the world. Its better if the girl (s) has / have a couple of tequilas to get uninhibited than me having them.
Joe Looking
06-08-12, 16:00
I wonder if many of the members who report "bad" experiences with agogo girls perhaps have been less than gentlemanly with the girls. Being loud and drunk for sure is not going to help anyone getting a good performance.I think that for most members who report bad experiences, including myself, it is probably more an issue of mismanaging expectations than the attitude or behavior of the member. I usually prefer hostess bars to go-gos but even the few times I had gone to a go-go before Soi Cowboy, I had never been hounded for drinks so I did not expect it there. I expect that when I buy a drink I am buying 5-10 minutes of face time; therefore I should not have bought any drinks for women who were obviously not going to stick around.
Some men expect that the interest a woman shows in them at the go-go will translate to the bedroom so they get upset when she is affectionate in the go-go but a starfish in the hotel. Some men expect that more money equals better service; however in Thailand more money usually means she has a feature that customers pay a premium for (younger, newer, dare I say whiter skin) or she sees the guy coming from a mile away. The guy then gets upset because he paid her more than most Thais make in a month and she gave a weak BJ followed by pedestrian sex. Some men expect a GFE experience, including kissing and DATY, and then are disappointed when the girl shies away from those things.
Here's some advice that may help other guys better manage their expectations vis-a-vis go-gos.
If you are limited on time read past reports and only go with girls who got glowing reviews. I have found that how good a girl is can often be hit or miss, but the good ones are generally consistent. Granted I have recommended women to other guys and had the guys say that she told them no to things that she did for me so YMMV.
Remember that Asians draw a line between generosity and stupidity. Telling her about how expensive your hotel is will probably not impress her so much as get her thinking about how she will rip you off.
Always be price conscious, read the board and ask several girls at several places time permitting, because in my experience and what I've been told by other men there is a point of diminishing returns. In other words I may pay a girl 2000 (which IMO is beyond generous giving cost of living and wages in BKK) for LT and you may pay her 4000 but we will probably get the same effort from her.
Be honest with yourself about what you are looking for. If you want a girl for LT or even a ST girl who won't rush you avoid bars that encourage the girls to go with as many customers per night as possible.
Be honest about why you are there. If you want to party and have a good time then buy some drinks and get a few lap dances. If you want a girl then go in, order a soda, signal the girl (s) you are interested in, maybe buy them a drink, negotiate, pay the bar fine and then leave.
Be upfront about what you want. I know some men don't like talking price or deeds beforehand, but IMO that can lead to miscommunications and overpaying. For example, if you want a GFE with kissing and some bb services then make sure to let her know before you leave and make sure she is okay with it.
Lastly, don't fear the Japanese / Korean / Chinese. One of the best thing about Asian men is that their ideal woman is often not the woman that many western men like. Even in places with a large Asian crowd, there are always beautiful women for the taking and some of them are overjoyed when you show them the slightest bit of attention. Also, don't be afraid to talk to them. I constantly hear guys bitching about how the Japanese and Koreans are ruining things by overpaying, but most men overpay until they know differently. The first time I went to Laos I was paying 4-5 times what I paid the second time for LT simply because I did not know any better and I'm sure many of you have similar tales.
Der Tourist
06-08-12, 18:00
A quick short-time from Erotica bar in Nana.
I noticed a super-slim 22yo girl named, I think, Vao or something like that. As usually happens with me, forgot her number (sometimes I just enter it into my mobile phone... perhaps a good idea) I wasn't too sure if I even wanted a girl tonight (need some rest and stop spending money like there's no tomorrow). But as usually happens with me it didn't take very long to spot something to my taste.
She was very and I mean VERY slim. And I AM someone who likes Asian slim (not European / American 'slim'). Her face (which I really liked too) had some masculine features which does happen with Thai girls sometimes but I was assured she's not ladyboy and she indeed wasn't as I got to find out later.
Anyway, my friend who was accompanying me in tonight's mongering tour said that I'm 'sick' to pick 'anorexic' girls like this one. Understandable because, after all, we come from Europe which is for most part known to be populated by obese women who are treated as and themselves think to be 'skinny' and 'slim'.
So anyhow, we agreed 2000 for ST (no way I was going to go for LT tonight even though she seemingly would have gone for this option too). One thing that seemed a bit strange to me was that the mamasan asked if I want her for 1 hour ir 2 hours. I said 2 hours and she said 2000Baht. I did not negotiate because, frankly, I didn't give too much of a damn. I know I might be blasted by some forumers who would call me this and that for not bargaining it to 200 baht or something along those lines. .
That was all fine with me because I probably would never take more than 1. 5-5 hours for ST and I would expect to pay 2000. Only that it never happened before. Is that common? Or specific to some certain bars? Just curious.
Back in the hotel a rather bland although not entirely empty experience. Not a true GFE but not a starfish either. One problem she didn't speak almost no English. Just a few words which means almost no verbal communication. We had to use gestures for most part (reminds me how I find my way around while traveling in China where English is a no-go almost anywhere.).
Shower as usual. No much kissing but some tongue play nonetheless. DATY, BBBJ, some touching here and there but no cuddling as described in my 1st and 2nd day report. Missionary in shoulder-holder position, then doggy style (she surely knew how to take best position. Not that many girls are good at it. From my experience at least) which was rather long and intense. Then its time to come and it happens on her entire back all the way from the ass to the neck. No negative reaction at all. I'm pretty sure she would have not minded a facial but I've already did it three times over the past week or so which kinda satisfied my desire for it. So back seemed like a good idea.
Shower time, then pay (no extra tip 'for taxi' because in this case it wasn't earned as in previous two cases) and bye bye. I asked if I could take a photo and she seemed not to like the idea. Perhaps if I did it a bit earlier. Just wanted to have a photo memory of perhaps the slimmest girl I've ever had and be able to show what I mean by 'not fat'. Oh well, whatever.
Would I recommend? Probably not. Unless you're into very skinny girls and want to put a tick in your diary which was the case with me tonight.
Also, I have to say the first girl I got from Baccara whom I described in my first report was the best one. In terms of service, attitude and, not least, class. She had some class unlike many go-go girls coming from the countryside. Perhaps someone I would not be too embarrassed to take to Sirocco or Vertigo bar for a drink and enjoy the night lights. Those manners I. E. The way she walks, talks and behaves shows that she learned some things during her extended stay in Bangkok (as she mentioned) unlike other two girls including the tonight's one and the 18yo cutie I described in my 2nd day report. I kinda realized it DOES make a rather big difference. Especially if the girl is a GFE. I'm almost feeling a bit sorry I didn't get back to her. Now too late anyway. And, I'm sure, I will have my chance to find someone similar in the days to come.
I guess it's time to take a break for now and instead spend a night relaxing in a hotel or have a few drinks in Pattaya which I'm getting to very shortly. If anyone's up for a drink in Patts over the next few days I'm more than happy to join and discuss the scene and everything else.
Cheers!
Der Tourist
Tried to e-mail the lodge a few days ago about a room. Didn't hear anything back. Is it not working or has it changed. info@-------. Did send a message through the web sight so hope it went through. I hope we can say this here. Didn't know how else to contact the lodge.
Tried to e-mail the lodge a few days ago about a room. Didn't hear anything back. Is it not working or has it changed. info@-------. Did send a message through the web sight so hope it went through. I hope we can say this here. Didn't know how else to contact the lodge.Mackin,
Don't worry, I have read the mail already. Answer(s) (for some other E-Mails, too) will be prepared on the weekend.
Giotto
http://www.livingstones.co.th
If you want super slim there is a Doll House dancer who takes turn in a 3 shift rotation on the pole in the outside patio area of Doll house in Soi Cowboy. She is a thin as I have ever seen one.
A quick short-time from Erotica bar in Nana.
I noticed a super-slim 22yo girl named, I think, Vao or something like that. As usually happens with me, forgot her number (sometimes I just enter it into my mobile phone. Perhaps a good idea) I wasn't too sure if I even wanted a girl tonight (need some rest and stop spending money like there's no tomorrow). But as usually happens with me it didn't take very long to spot something to my taste.
She was very and I mean VERY slim. And I AM someone who likes Asian slim (not European / American 'slim'). Her face (which I really liked too) had some masculine features which does happen with Thai girls sometimes but I was assured she's not ladyboy and she indeed wasn't as I got to find out later.
SNIPPED.
Der Tourist
Hi guys, My third time in BKK and this time I m on a company tour with some business associates { no fun} and intrested in meeting a fellow monger { my age group }to share some jokes over some drinks and also to bonk some high end local fls, cis, wg in 4somes or group fun. Any one willing to meet me over a beer and some possible group fun. I am a 33 year old well traveled entrepreneur in BKK from 12 June 2012. We can even book a 2 bedroom suite and have an orgy togather { don't worry guys I m straight, lolz }
You can private message me for more details.
I thought this was pretty interesting.
A girl I know just returned from 6 months in the UK where she got married and now lives with her quite wealthy husband. First day back in Bangkok yesterday, straight to Nana Liquid (where they met so I guess what should the guy expect) and picked up a customer! Amazing!
I will never forget the time I met a girl in the Nana area who was actually pretty good looking. People might remember her actually from about 2005 timeframe. She was actually Cambodian with huge fake tits, killer body and actually quite attractive. She used to freelance round that area and also danced in one of the bars in Nana when she felt like it (she could get way with it because she was pretty hot).
So anyway I bumped into her while she too had just returned from UK (back in 2005) where she had just got married. She was showing me all the wedding pictures in her room before we started fucking. When we were fucking her husband called and she asked me to keep fucking her while she talked to him. Somehow it really turned me on fucking her while they talked about which visa and how much money she needed this month.
Amazing Thailand.
I have heard, seen and experienced racism in the past in EU, USA, etc. But never the kind of blunt and straight one that you can get in BKK!
This is a different kind, not the exact one you see in EU / USA. Although the cause of it is perhaps the same. Let me explain with some examples.
On Day 1:
Flight landed late so I was late into my first club, reached around 1 am to Raindow4. I was stopped at the entrance by the bouncer, I asked him how much, he said 300B, I said OK with 500B in my hand. Then he escorted me inside and seated me at the very rear with a mandatory drink order for 145B. I happily paid it and waited for my drink. When it arrived, I moved around to get better looks. Unfortunately, did not like any one there at that time. All the good ones were gone or busy with Farangs. Mandarin did not let me enter. What the heck!
Spent time there till 2 followed by couple hours in the Nana parking lot watching one of the most interesting phenomena in the world!
On Day 2:
I first went to Baccara following DT's advice. Waited for 'abc' but she never arrived and before that. 055 caught my eye because of her better than average dance steps. My fantasy to take one of these ladies to a good dance club took precedence and I got her to my side. Got her the 2 drinks and BF'ed her. Just when I was walking out, 'abc' walked in and mamasan told her that I waited long for her. She had this confused look. LOL. I made sure that my lady of the night was aware of my requirements to eat dinner, dance for couple hours. Boom boom (pow?) and then boom boom in my room. We went into the Little Italy or some such big place. Had a good thin crust pizza, she had 2 slices, I had a few and then we took taxi for the clubs I was at. Came to Soi 11, it was 21. 15. Q Bar was open but the DJ would arrive only at 2300, so went into BED across Aloft. But it was dead too. As luck would have it this upset our plans. Till this time, my lady was being the perfect GF as can be with all the funny gestures that she can do all the time. I enjoyed that part.
As a last resort we decided to go back to my room in Aloft and rearrange the schedule with the boom boom first and then the boom boom pow. She actually played nice hiphop sings on her phone speaker the whole time. So that was awesome on her part, I think. It does set the mood differently. We danced for a few minutes in the room on her songs. But later she also started complaining that she doesn't want to dance and wants to go back to Soi Cowboy right after boom boom. Pissed me off but maintained my calm. Any ways, after a little back and forth, she agreed to go back to the dance club after boom boom. We started off well, did not have shower (mutual choice) , but was a bad decision. She refused to suck. Hardened me by hand, directly condomned me and started riding. Mish for a while, doggy for some more time and I finished in her. Kinda quick? Yea. May be. She did have nice tits, said no silicone, but I am pretty sure it was. Hey what the heck. Sometimes that's what satisfies the "whatever" in you! If it did not work why would they do it.
Then we showered and dressed, I paid her and we went down. She did not feel like in a mood to really dance. And it was still not 11 meaning the crowd had still not build up. So I just let her go wherever. Immediately she was on a bike behind a guy on her way. Funny setup with these motorbike guys who 'chaperon' these ladies real fast from point A to point B. Then off I went up to Rainbow1 following Der Tourist's recommendation on the 18 year old from there. I was not allowed to enter. Despite showing that I had money in my pocket. On major requests, the mamasan came out and I requested for the # that DT has indicated in his report. Mamasan came back after 5 minutes with the lady, she gave me a quick (real quick!) look and went in, the mamasan said. Sorry no lady and went in. I was shown the way by the doorman.
Mandarin repeated its response by not letting me in. No problemo! I tried to enter Mandarin based on Der Tourist's tip about his gem from there. Nope, the lady mamasan did not let me wander near the entrance and asked me to go away. Fine, I let my real brain think and walked up to Rainbow4. Rainbow4 bouncer now knew me from the previous night and recognised me. But still took me to the very rear and made me order a drink for 145B which I happily obliged. When my drink arrived, I repositioned myself to a better seat. Now the fun begins. I got pally with a couple bartenders (ladies hanging out bringing drinks) and was joking around with them. Then I asked for 005. She looked like someone from my past who I would have loved to have suck my cock (pardon the raw language). She was messaged by the bartender, she walked half way to me, gave me a look and ran away laughing. The bartender had been telling me that no lady will go with Indian from any of the Rainbow bars. That's what I was seeing in action. Explaining that I have the money, am clean and from the States did not budge their opinions, sad!
Anyways, she was sympathetic towards me. Which doesn't help but I appreciate the niceness. Then my mind went up with 112 which met with the same fate! Couple others also met the same fate. It was 1 am and then I went to my favorite spot. Outside on the parking lot to watch some live scenes. Met a couple of interesting people, one from Germany. We chatted a lot about travels and places around the world. That was so cool! Met another Indian who explained to me why my fate was what it was. The kinda bad things some Indians do spoils name of all others. Needless to say that the reputation precedes a person anywhere, good or bad, right or wrong, true or false!
By the time it was 3 am and I was watching the hookers on the street hunting for punters. I don't know why but I paid for 2 ladies buying grilled meat on skewers. Twice, total of 100B. Just a gesture of kindness for no good reason. Little later, one of those ladies approached me asking if she can come with me. I told her, its upto her if she wants to or not. We decided to go back with no talk of money. On the way when I asked her questions I was told how she needs to take care of a baby, mom, brother, sister's 2 kids. All by herself! Anyways, I knew that even if this did not go well, I would have helped someone in need because I will pay no matter what!
Interestingly enough, that's how it turned out. We were separated right from the get go. Came to room, showered separately, on the bed, not a great body but fine. Refused to BBBJ, condomned and sucked for a few min, rode for a few min, then complained tired and asked me to come on top. I was tired as heck being out all evening and night and did not want to do the work. I called it off and gave her about 1200B (all I had in change) , she demanded 1500B. Handed her over my pants and asked her to check the pockets for anything she can take, of course she did not check. Neither was there anything in them! Then she asked for US $ if I had any and I lied to her that I did not. I am good but not God.
Off she went and off I slept. And now its this morning.
Kinda making decisions in my head after my experiences and reading the white mongers' reports that the kind of fun that they have and the quality of service they receive. Is not meant for people with faces that look 'Indian'. While joking with me, the Rainbow4 bartender told me a bunch of times that even though you have come from America, your face is Indian. So no lady go with you. True. I still remember the best GFE I got from a Viet from OT (Singapore) long back for all night at a great 250S$ (about 6 years back). How I knew it then that it would be the best I would get for a good part of my life.
Sympathizers. Do share bits of advice if you got any for me, not sure if I can do much at this point, since I leave today and would be a real hard sell for me to decide coming back to BKK for mongering. But I can always use tips on a future trip. May be different cities to go to or different places to try out. Met few other very rich Indians at my hotel who told me of how great a service they got from Europeans, Americans, Thai, etc. On their private rented yacht from Koh Samui where they basically had a great party for 8 hours non-stop out on high seas! Well, may be that's when you get good quality service when you blow up 8000 US $ in 4 nights (that's what they claimed) , if you are Indian. O well. The world still goes round and life continues. Enough of my rant and thoughts.
Happy Mongering to one and all! Toast!
Der Tourist
06-09-12, 05:16
I have heard, seen and experienced racism in the past in EU, USA, etc. But never the kind of blunt and straight one that you can get in BKK!
This is a different kind, not the exact one you see in EU / USA. Although the cause of it is perhaps the same. Let me explain with some examples.Interesting read, Rbamane.
So did you get that girl (Ning) from Baccara? Or did you get some other one?
Anyway, it's a bit unfortunate with the treatment you have described in some situations.
I know it's not news that Indians do get discriminated in BKK and especially in go-go bars. But may I ask a few things? What 'kind' of Indian are you? Not that this matters to me but I just wonder what exactly makes them take such decisions regarding discrimination? I have some friends who are of ethnic South Asian origin but are born in Europe and apart from some of their ethnic visual attributes that they can't escape are not and never consider themselves to be 'Indian'. As far as I am aware they have never had any problems visiting go-go bars or any other places in BKK and get the same treatment as Farangs (not as Japanese though, obviously). Do you have specific accent, appearance (such as mustache?) , style or anything else that makes then identify you as 'Indian'?
Pointy Stick
06-09-12, 05:55
Hey Rbamane,
You probably watched me trawling the Nana parking lot last night! Sorry to hear about you woes though and I faced the same kinda difficulties. Got the price down from 1500 to 1200, pay in advance to the mama-san and again in the room and then in the room the girl tried to spring the covered BJ trick on me. She also tried to ask for a 100 baht tip for ok performance. Maybe, for better or worse, I give off the aura of a accomplished monger so they know that kind of behaviour will not be tolerated. It was a lot better last December so maybe the girls are a lot more desperate in low season. At this point Pattaya seems to be my preferred mongering destination.
When we were fucking her husband called and she asked me to keep fucking her while she talked to him.We hear that a lot on this forum. Is it like a national sport for Thai girls?
Rbamane, the way to diminish these problems is to dress as smart as you can. White guys may get away with shorts and a tshirt, but you should make more effort. It helps.
Thanks DT, I missed Ning from Baccara because she came late. I could not resist taking another one who seemed THE ONE at the time, although I did get a glimpse of Ning just before I left. She walked in.
I am a usual Indian around 5'6" clean shaven (no facial hair) , not fair, do not use hair gel (which gives a lot of other-Indians that you describe a more chic / smarter look). Accent comes into play when someone talks to me. No one came up and talked to me. That said, I look very much INDIAN, and proud to be one. Just realized that I did not see any Indian around the Rainbow and other bars in the last 2 nights. Which is quite telling in itself that the Indians probably go somewhere else, or they know that this place is not appropriate for them. All that said. Having lived in the States for a decade+, I do have smart clothes that I wear rather than loose shirts and pants that most Indians stroll in as if Nana Plaza was their backyard. No offence my countrymen!
O well, on second thoughts. The 55 from Baccara that I still did last night did have a smoking hot bod. Enough to leave me no desires for a Tulip or Nataree trip today afternoon! Still got a couple hours to decide though.
Other thought I had is to pair up with a Farang the next time I am in town so I get at least a fraction of dues that a Farang commands with ZERO efforts!
Any other advice fellas?
Interesting read, Rbamane.
So did you get that girl (Ning) from Baccara? Or did you get some other one?
Anyway, it's a bit unfortunate with the treatment you have described in some situations.
I know it's not news that Indians do get discriminated in BKK and especially in go-go bars. But may I ask a few things? What 'kind' of Indian are you? Not that this matters to me but I just wonder what exactly makes them take such decisions regarding discrimination? I have some friends who are of ethnic South Asian origin but are born in Europe and apart from some of their ethnic visual attributes that they can't escape are not and never consider themselves to be 'Indian'. As far as I am aware they have never had any problems visiting go-go bars or any other places in BKK and get the same treatment as Farangs (not as Japanese though, obviously). Do you have specific accent, appearance (such as mustache?) , style or anything else that makes then identify you as 'Indian'?
I think you are right. A lot of tidying up counts when you are not a Farang. May be I should also get my tiny paunch in shape. Still I may not be able to compete with a 60 year old Farang with a waist size of 50". No offense.
Rbamane, the way to diminish these problems is to dress as smart as you can. White guys may get away with shorts and a tshirt, but you should make more effort. It helps.
Perhaps. Were you with someone? I saw 2 men take one of my other crushes from the parking lot. And return back in 45 minutes.
Never been to Pattaya. Next time!
Hey Rbamane,
You probably watched me trawling the Nana parking lot last night! Sorry to hear about you woes though and I faced the same kinda difficulties. Got the price down from 1500 to 1200, pay in advance to the mama-san and again in the room and then in the room the girl tried to spring the covered BJ trick on me. She also tried to ask for a 100 baht tip for ok performance. Maybe, for better or worse, I give off the aura of a accomplished monger so they know that kind of behaviour will not be tolerated. It was a lot better last December so maybe the girls are a lot more desperate in low season. At this point Pattaya seems to be my preferred mongering destination.
Horny Landoora
06-09-12, 08:11
I look very much INDIAN, and proud to be one. Just realized that I did not see any Indian around the Rainbow and other bars in the last 2 nights. Which is quite telling in itself that the Indians probably go somewhere else, or they know that this place is not appropriate for them.Rainbow generally does not allow certain kind of people inside. Indians are one of them. If you got in with all your Indianess as you described you were probably lucky. Although I have also noticed that Indians are not much into Go Go scene mainly because not many let them in and they prefer the WGs on street!
Since you brought it up. I want to chime in.
Of the Indians that I have talked to (I love talking to strangers hanging outside in the Nana parking lot, and they enjoy too. Brit, Aussie, German, etc.) in the parking lot. Most complain of Go-Go having higher prices and from the sounds of it. They almost sound like they want a free fuck, sad. I know its sad. But that's the sense I get. And hence the cheaper WGs on the street!
Can't blame the bars to ban Indians who are stereotyped into such Cheap Charlie category or worse! If only they understand that there could be exceptions. It would be awesome. Thanks. I do think it was some accomplishment to become friendly with "T-J" the main bouncer at Rainbow4 and a few servers inside. They were cracking jokes with me about how none of the ladies want to go with me and sympathizing with me at the same time. Which was a more welcome treatment than being shunned away like at some other places.
Rainbow generally does not allow certain kind of people inside. Indians are one of them. If you got in with all your Indianess as you described you were probably lucky. Although I have also noticed that Indians are not much into Go Go scene mainly because not many let them in and they prefer the WGs on street!
HL. You sound like an Indian from your handle (Landoora part). Are you?
Ping me and if you may, provide me with some mentoring if you are successful.
Rainbow generally does not allow certain kind of people inside. Indians are one of them. If you got in with all your Indianess as you described you were probably lucky. Although I have also noticed that Indians are not much into Go Go scene mainly because not many let them in and they prefer the WGs on street!
Horny Landoora
06-09-12, 08:23
Needless to say that the reputation precedes a person anywhere, good or bad, right or wrong, true or false!I fully agree with this. UNFORTUNATELY for us Indians this is all for bad reasons so far.
Met few other very rich Indians at my hotel who told me of how great a service they got from Europeans, Americans, Thai, etc. On their private rented yacht from Koh Samui where they basically had a great party for 8 hours non-stop out on high seas! Well, may be that's when you get good quality service when you blow up 8000 US $ in 4 nights (that's what they claimed) , if you are Indian.This is the face of new emerging India. The overnight turned millionaires are coming to the party. I wish and hope for more of this so that people change their mindsets! Although with Bangkok remaining a cheap destination there would always be diverse people with different economic backgrounds visiting but I hope the good word spreads so that atleast the good kind are not discriminated against!
EDIT: Many here would complain that they would drive up the prices, although to think of it when you have money and the girls have a mindset against you she would only go when you pay more. So either you can sulk for being Indian and shag alone or overpay and bang the hell out of her!
Horny Landoora
06-09-12, 08:35
if you may, provide me with some mentoring if you are successful.This is a learning experience for me as well. Everyday I learn a new lesson in my mongering adventures. Although am no expert on Thailand scene as many others who are more active here although for next time if you go to any Go Go for better service tag along with some Farang Group. This helps you blend in and the Go Gos generally do not create much a hassle and girls are more forthcoming! Since you like BOOOM BOOOM POW then try some clubs like CM2, BOSSY, SPICY, CLIMAX etc where also you would find girls willing to go out with you for BOOM BOOM after the POWW! Sometimes you do come across gems but beware of Katoeys (Lbs)
I have heard, seen and experienced racism in the past in EU, USA, etc. But never the kind of blunt and straight one that you can get in BKK!
This is a different kind, not the exact one you see in EU / USA. Although the cause of it is perhaps the same. Let me explain with some examples.
On Day 1:
Flight landed late so I was late into my first club, reached around 1 am to Raindow4. I was stopped at the entrance by the bouncer, I asked him how much, he said 300B, I said OK with 500B in my hand. Then he escorted me inside and seated me at the very rear with a mandatory drink order for 145B. I happily paid it and waited for my drink. When it arrived, I moved around to get better looks. Unfortunately, did not like any one there at that time. All the good ones were gone or busy with Farangs. Mandarin did not let me enter. What the heck!
Spent time there till 2 followed by couple hours in the Nana parking lot watching one of the most interesting phenomena in the world!
On Day 2:
I first went to Baccara following DT's advice. Waited for 'abc' but she never arrived and before that. 055 caught my eye because of her better than average dance steps. My fantasy to take one of these ladies to a good dance club took precedence and I got her to my side. Got her the 2 drinks and BF'ed her. Just when I was walking out, 'abc' walked in and mamasan told her that I waited long for her. She had this confused look. LOL. I made sure that my lady of the night was aware of my requirements to eat dinner, dance for couple hours. Boom boom (pow?) and then boom boom in my room. We went into the Little Italy or some such big place. Had a good thin crust pizza, she had 2 slices, I had a few and then we took taxi for the clubs I was at. Came to Soi 11, it was 21. 15. Q Bar was open but the DJ would arrive only at 2300, so went into BED across Aloft. But it was dead too. As luck would have it this upset our plans. Till this time, my lady was being the perfect GF as can be with all the funny gestures that she can do all the time. I enjoyed that part.
As a last resort we decided to go back to my room in Aloft and rearrange the schedule with the boom boom first and then the boom boom pow. She actually played nice hiphop sings on her phone speaker the whole time. So that was awesome on her part, I think. It does set the mood differently. We danced for a few minutes in the room on her songs. But later she also started complaining that she doesn't want to dance and wants to go back to Soi Cowboy right after boom boom. Pissed me off but maintained my calm. Any ways, after a little back and forth, she agreed to go back to the dance club after boom boom. We started off well, did not have shower (mutual choice) , but was a bad decision. She refused to suck. Hardened me by hand, directly condomned me and started riding. Mish for a while, doggy for some more time and I finished in her. Kinda quick? Yea. May be. She did have nice tits, said no silicone, but I am pretty sure it was. Hey what the heck. Sometimes that's what satisfies the "whatever" in you! If it did not work why would they do it.
Then we showered and dressed, I paid her and we went down. She did not feel like in a mood to really dance. And it was still not 11 meaning the crowd had still not build up. So I just let her go wherever. Immediately she was on a bike behind a guy on her way. Funny setup with these motorbike guys who 'chaperon' these ladies real fast from point A to point B. Then off I went up to Rainbow1 following Der Tourist's recommendation on the 18 year old from there. I was not allowed to enter. Despite showing that I had money in my pocket. On major requests, the mamasan came out and I requested for the # that DT has indicated in his report. Mamasan came back after 5 minutes with the lady, she gave me a quick (real quick!) look and went in, the mamasan said. Sorry no lady and went in. I was shown the way by the doorman.
Mandarin repeated its response by not letting me in. No problemo! I tried to enter Mandarin based on Der Tourist's tip about his gem from there. Nope, the lady mamasan did not let me wander near the entrance and asked me to go away. Fine, I let my real brain think and walked up to Rainbow4. Rainbow4 bouncer now knew me from the previous night and recognised me. But still took me to the very rear and made me order a drink for 145B which I happily obliged. When my drink arrived, I repositioned myself to a better seat. Now the fun begins. I got pally with a couple bartenders (ladies hanging out bringing drinks) and was joking around with them. Then I asked for 005. She looked like someone from my past who I would have loved to have suck my cock (pardon the raw language). She was messaged by the bartender, she walked half way to me, gave me a look and ran away laughing. The bartender had been telling me that no lady will go with Indian from any of the Rainbow bars. That's what I was seeing in action. Explaining that I have the money, am clean and from the States did not budge their opinions, sad!
Anyways, she was sympathetic towards me. Which doesn't help but I appreciate the niceness. Then my mind went up with 112 which met with the same fate! Couple others also met the same fate. It was 1 am and then I went to my favorite spot. Outside on the parking lot to watch some live scenes. Met a couple of interesting people, one from Germany. We chatted a lot about travels and places around the world. That was so cool! Met another Indian who explained to me why my fate was what it was. The kinda bad things some Indians do spoils name of all others. Needless to say that the reputation precedes a person anywhere, good or bad, right or wrong, true or false!
By the time it was 3 am and I was watching the hookers on the street hunting for punters. I don't know why but I paid for 2 ladies buying grilled meat on skewers. Twice, total of 100B. Just a gesture of kindness for no good reason. Little later, one of those ladies approached me asking if she can come with me. I told her, its upto her if she wants to or not. We decided to go back with no talk of money. On the way when I asked her questions I was told how she needs to take care of a baby, mom, brother, sister's 2 kids. All by herself! Anyways, I knew that even if this did not go well, I would have helped someone in need because I will pay no matter what!
Interestingly enough, that's how it turned out. We were separated right from the get go. Came to room, showered separately, on the bed, not a great body but fine. Refused to BBBJ, condomned and sucked for a few min, rode for a few min, then complained tired and asked me to come on top. I was tired as heck being out all evening and night and did not want to do the work. I called it off and gave her about 1200B (all I had in change) , she demanded 1500B. Handed her over my pants and asked her to check the pockets for anything she can take, of course she did not check. Neither was there anything in them! Then she asked for US $ if I had any and I lied to her that I did not. I am good but not God.
Off she went and off I slept. And now its this morning.
Kinda making decisions in my head after my experiences and reading the white mongers' reports that the kind of fun that they have and the quality of service they receive. Is not meant for people with faces that look 'Indian'. While joking with me, the Rainbow4 bartender told me a bunch of times that even though you have come from America, your face is Indian. So no lady go with you. True. I still remember the best GFE I got from a Viet from OT (Singapore) long back for all night at a great 250S$ (about 6 years back). How I knew it then that it would be the best I would get for a good part of my life.
Sympathizers. Do share bits of advice if you got any for me, not sure if I can do much at this point, since I leave today and would be a real hard sell for me to decide coming back to BKK for mongering. But I can always use tips on a future trip. May be different cities to go to or different places to try out. Met few other very rich Indians at my hotel who told me of how great a service they got from Europeans, Americans, Thai, etc. On their private rented yacht from Koh Samui where they basically had a great party for 8 hours non-stop out on high seas! Well, may be that's when you get good quality service when you blow up 8000 US $ in 4 nights (that's what they claimed) , if you are Indian. O well. The world still goes round and life continues. Enough of my rant and thoughts.
Happy Mongering to one and all! Toast!I find that you really take all this, as abhorrent as it is, with utmost dignity.
Unfortunately you are not helped by some (only a few) guys on this forum (no need to name, they will recognise themselves) who perpetuates the anti Indian ramble.
Being white, I have no advice to give you, alas.
Where else to go? FKKs in Germany, for instance, will never stop you to get in, and out of the 100+ girls in a club like Oase, more than half will be happy to go with an educated, clean, pleasant Indian guy.
We started off well, did not have shower (mutual choice) , but was a bad decision. She refused to suck. Hardened me by hand, directly condomned me and started riding.Fuck me dead! You started as badly as possible. You take no shower and expect a blow-job. I started feeling for you till I got to this part. Look the shower is 100% mandatory. Its not acceptable in Thailand to be unwashed.
I suspect she never really wanted to do LT. Many Bacarra girls are into quick turn-over. You didn't say what you intended to pay for what was clearly going to be more than ST. My advice is never take a girl to restuarant and dancing etc, until after you have had sex and confirmed a good chemistry going between the two of you. Then you get to offer the girl various things like dinner dancing etc, and she will either wish to dissappear quickly or if she is liking you and money is right, she might agree. I have found with some girls the chemistry starts building from the 2nd time we go together, and she is realising that I open to her wishes and not putting her under pressure.
I almost never take a girl more than ST on first time unless the chemistry is something exceptional.
Joe Looking
06-09-12, 14:26
I have heard, seen and experienced racism in the past in EU, USA, etc. But never the kind of blunt and straight one that you can get in BKK!It sucks to hear about your experience but as a black American I may be more qualified than many other members to give you advice. I've been travelling SE Asia for about 8 months, doing plenty of mongering along the way, and I have only faced a small amount of discrimination from working girls. Most of the discrimination has been in places catering to a certain type of local man (in Penang I was turned away from a health club because all of the women were PRC and wanted only PRC / Indian / Malay men). When it does happen I just remember some words of wisdom: "Vote with your wallet." In other words if I am turned away or get a you might not be welcome vibe I walk away and tell everyone I meet. For example, because of your report I will probably not go to any Rainbow clubs even if they would let me in.
I've found that some places the women make deals regarding price, what type of men to go with. However, these deals are like battle plans, they often fail when put under stress. In some places I've been limited in choice because some women think my dick may be too big or there are easier customers around, but in most cases there is always someone who will go. Sometimes all you have to do is ask a friendly bartender or waitress which girls rarely get bar fined or who is likely to go with you. As a rule there is nothing wrong with them but maybe they are older, fatter, less social, speak little English. In many cases they are more than overjoyed to go with you, especially if you put in a little time to do some rapport building (this is easier at hostess bars than go-gos). At times it is also good to show up a bit late, especially if you know that some girls don't usually go with Indians. As the night goes on the desperation tends to set in and from what I understand it can get pretty bad preceding Buddhist holidays and at certain times of the month.
Your experience with the Baccara girl had a lot with you trying to get an escort experience out of a go-go girl. It is fairly well known that some go-gos encourage the girls to go with as many man per night as possible so finding one to be your girlfriend for the night might be tough. If you want that kind of experience you are probably better off using an escort service or finding a girl via a dating site before you get to town. If you want a go-go girl to be your girlfriend for the night you should make sure that she works at a place that encourages / allows the girls to limit themselves to one customer a night. Another thing you should do is make sure to spend some time rapport building. That may mean that when you meet her you buy a few drinks and tell her that you want to barfine her the next night but you want to go out dancing in addition to sex. You're asking the girl to spend not just a lot of time with you but to be with you in a social setting where she may see people she knows, so it is important that she like you in a certain way. Just my two cents, but you should always ask the girl to shower first and you should shower as well.
As I have said before, many of the working women go for the men who are easiest. In places like Nana and Soi Cowboy that generally means the men who are obviously on vacation and willing to throw around a large amount of cash in a short amount of time. Many of the women seem a bit ignorant and tend to traffic in stereotypes. Most of the stories involving men who send gifts, give sponsorships. Talk about older white European men so women looking for that favor those kinds of men. Hanging out with a group of them may or may not help your chances of getting the girl that you want. From my reading and limited observation the additional social capitol you may get from being in a group is probably wasted in a places like Soi Cowboy and Nana. I would imagine that going out with a group of white guys will be of limited value to you unless they speak Thai or you really enjoy their company.
If you go back to BKK you may want to consider getting your jollies at a place other than the go-gos. There are plenty of soapys and other places where the ladies will happily give you enthusiastic service for about the same price as the go-gos. A guy once told me about a place called Eden or something that he described as two hours of sexual gratification that will give you a lifetime of memories. You may also find that scratching your itch early in the day makes going to Nana more enjoyable because if you find one you like and she goes great, if not you've already had one.
I don't really see the point to spending several thousand US dollars in a few days because I really don't think you will get that much of a better experience. If you just have that kind of money to blow then go with God, but I think it's wasteful. Show me a guy who has 8k to blow over 4 days in Thailand and I can probably help him have an amazing 4 days with about 4k to spare.
Next time get out of BKK. Based on reports here and talking to people on the ground, many women in BKK and Pattaya come from places like Isaan and Surin. IMO, the girls in Udon Thani were probably as good looking as most of the girls at Soi Cowboy and Nana (let's be honest there are very few who are drop dead gorgeous and most Thai women between 24-34 tend to show the same signs of aging) and more fun. I could show you girls in Udon who will happily dance the night away with you and all you have to do is pop a bottle of whiskey, in some cases they won't even ask you to pay a bar fine (although you may pay for sex at some point). Many of them were just as much into having a good time as they were into making money. I can also show you places from Cambodia to Vietnam where they care more about how you treat them and if you will pay than the color of your skin. I've also found that in some cases where only certain girls will go with me, those have been the ones who have shown me the best time.
As far as the racism goes, remember that many SE Asians seem to live in a bubble where if they don't see something it does not exist. This seems to make it easy for them to believe in stereotypes that may or may not be true and to lump people together. Although there are some Indian men who nurse one drink all night, I've also seen white guys sit for 2 hours with the same coke. I saw a white guy in Cambodia spend 40 minutes fondling a girl and never buy her a drink or leave a tip, but at another bar in Cambodia I met an Indian guy who bought drinks for several of the girls. I had a girl in Laos say she has never gone with a black guy because someone told her that 10 years a go 4 Africans took a prostitute to a hotel, she died while they were fucking her, they kept going then left the money and her dead body in the hotel room and were never caught. To any educated person this makes no sense for a number of reasons, but she never saw a need to question the story or to believe that all Africans would not act that way. It sucks where you are hampered by a stereotype but all you can do is be yourself and hope that the people you meet are enlightened enough to see you for you and not a member of a group.
If you're game maybe we can keep in touch and maybe at some point we'll be in SE Asia at the same time. Although BKK shows a high concentration of beautiful women, there are far better places in SE Asia as far as price, attitude, experience. You should be heartened by the fact that Indians have been around SE Asia for a while so trust me there are many places where you being Indian is far from a handicap.
Hi,
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Rainbow generally does not allow certain kind of people inside. Indians are one of them. If you got in with all your Indianess as you described you were probably lucky. Although I have also noticed that Indians are not much into Go Go scene mainly because not many let them in and they prefer the WGs on street!In a few months I might browse around lower Sukhumvit with a couple of Indian friends, one is long time European based and another one is a very reliable chap, fully classy. And well funded by his job. I have warned them. In a polite way. That they might encounter difficulties here and there in being accepted. So they are aware and cool about it. The "European" one could not believe me. The other one was already aware, mentioning that this is often due to some misbehaviour from some of his co-nationals. For reasons often stated here. We'll see how it develops. If it happens I will not fail to report the outcome, as observed from a "white" eye.
Dignity. Yes, I have a lot of it. No f*ing thing in the world can break it so easily. Thanks for recognizing it!
On the contrary. I try to be cheerful in the midst of all this and keep people around me happy. That makes me happy.
Those ladies will never realize what they lost, and they are not to blame either. Once a lady is me, she usually tells me that I have been the kindest and most gentle with them in a looooong time. So I know that for a lady to not get me is not mine, her loss. If that is compared to a rough fuck that some men may force down them. Which I am no one to judge / comment on, just mentioning this as the feedback I receive from the ladies!
I find that you really take all this, as abhorrent as it is, with utmost dignity.
Unfortunately you are not helped by some (only a few) guys on this forum (no need to name, they will recognise themselves) who perpetuates the anti Indian ramble.
Being white, I have no advice to give you, alas.
Where else to go? FKKs in Germany, for instance, will never stop you to get in, and out of the 100+ girls in a club like Oase, more than half will be happy to go with an educated, clean, pleasant Indian guy.
I know, I know. Made a mistake. I guess the way it turned out is she took off her clothes and I did too, in the heat of the moment we started caressing each other on the bed with the assumption that we will shower. Gradually it went to the extent that she wanted to ride me. Could be her ulterior motive was to get the job done quicker! I take full responsibility for missing that "step of the procedure".
Yea. The big question I had was where is the OT equivalent where you can actually get good LT?
Thanks for educating. I did not know that the other BF-stuff comes after the first fuck! Seriously! I thought this extra stuff would make her feel comfortable with me and I was certainly trying to be nice to her genuinely after all the name damaging done to my tribe. But I should clarify that I had explained to her through mamasan that we would have dinner, dance for 2 hours and then have sex. So that was very clear to her!
O well, every experience is a learning one.
Thanks for your support.
Fuck me dead! You started as badly as possible. You take no shower and expect a blow-job. I started feeling for you till I got to this part. Look the shower is 100% mandatory. Its not acceptable in Thailand to be unwashed.
I suspect she never really wanted to do LT. Many Bacarra girls are into quick turn-over. You didn't say what you intended to pay for what was clearly going to be more than ST. My advice is never take a girl to restuarant and dancing etc, until after you have had sex and confirmed a good chemistry going between the two of you. Then you get to offer the girl various things like dinner dancing etc, and she will either wish to dissappear quickly or if she is liking you and money is right, she might agree. I have found with some girls the chemistry starts building from the 2nd time we go together, and she is realising that I open to her wishes and not putting her under pressure.
I almost never take a girl more than ST on first time unless the chemistry is something exceptional.
Perfect! Will wait to hear from you what happens with them. Hope it works out. Then I can copy some things, may be!
Thanks for the support!
In a few months I might browse around lower Sukhumvit with a couple of Indian friends, one is long time European based and another one is a very reliable chap, fully classy. And well funded by his job. I have warned them. In a polite way. That they might encounter difficulties here and there in being accepted. So they are aware and cool about it. The "European" one could not believe me. The other one was already aware, mentioning that this is often due to some misbehaviour from some of his co-nationals. For reasons often stated here. We'll see how it develops. If it happens I will not fail to report the outcome, as observed from a "white" eye.
a lot of tidying up counts when you are not a farang.a jap could walk in with torn clothing smelling of [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109), puke, and shit, and they'd give him front row seating!
Perfect! Will wait to hear from you what happens with them. Hope it works out. Then I can copy some things, may be!Thanks for the support!I already went around with one of the too, the European based one, and in NEP. Went to 2-3 bars and at that time did not encounter any issue. Maybe because he was with a whitey? Just an assumption, not a reason. He even brought a girl out of a go-go for a take home, once they were in tha cab he asked whether she had a friend as he was keen of a 3-some, the girl stepped out, walked to the bar and came back with a friend. The three went away and he was happy of the performances once in the hotel.
Horny Landoora
06-09-12, 19:33
I already went around with one of the too, the European based one, and in NEP. Went to 2-3 bars and at that time did not encounter any issue. Maybe because he was with a whitey? Just an assumption, not a reason.It is a valid reason Mr. B. I mentioned in my earlier post somehow they open up when the USUALY unwelcome guests when they are accompanied by farangs as part of a group! I have seen this before and had first hand experience in my own case!
I feel your pain. Indians could never let go of the mentality that WGs are a low caste people who needs to be slapped around, spit upon and treated with disrespect. The situation has worsened in the last few years when the ticket for a trip to Thailand is cheaper than a ticket to go from Delhi. Bombay. This has given a lot of Indians who never traveled abroad, the means to go on a foreign trip. These Indians are mostly uneducated. Even though they might be coming from an upper income group. Doesn't matter what their background is. I even met a Professor from University of kansas a few years back who had the same fucking attitude.
In my case I have never been a fan of gogo clubs. I usually develop a relationship with one girl on a long term basis. I found that it gives me more opportunities as these girls will go out of their way to accommodate you. One I know for the past 10 plus years will even get me other girls (and good ones at that) if I express that desire. So forget the go-go girls and pick the freelancers. Or pick them up at bars like for example the Bush Garden. Just have to go there a few times to establish yourself as a regular patron. I would suggest you take a look at Livingstone Lodge Sports Bar as well. Giotto is a great guy and can give you some great pointers.
There are good ones there. But us good Indians have to work a bit more than others. As Orwell said All pigs are equal, but some are more equal than others.
Good luck and happy mongering.
Duni
I know what it feels to being stopped while entering a club, has happened with me at my trip to St. Petersburg. It really feels disgusting but this has never made me think inferior being a Indian and having a slight wheatish complexion.
Also with all the ladies I have been with till now and they are mostly CIS I am still in touch with most of them, they enjoyed my company and it was not always about sex, so it really angers me when some white people on board says that it is you Indians who have bought this on to yourself, I agree that there are exceptions but then they are present everywhere in white or black. But you should not stereotype everyone and certainly I do not need any advice from any white telling how we Indians are. I know how we are and most of us very caring and do take very good care of our companions but these incidents of racism are very sad and really do pinch you.
Dignity. Yes, I have a lot of it. No f*ing thing in the world can break it so easily. Thanks for recognizing it!
On the contrary. I try to be cheerful in the midst of all this and keep people around me happy. That makes me happy.
Those ladies will never realize what they lost, and they are not to blame either. Once a lady is me, she usually tells me that I have been the kindest and most gentle with them in a looooong time. So I know that for a lady to not get me is not mine, her loss. If that is compared to a rough fuck that some men may force down them. Which I am no one to judge / comment on, just mentioning this as the feedback I receive from the ladies!
It is a valid reason Mr. B. I mentioned in my earlier post somehow they open up when the USUALY unwelcome guests when they are accompanied by farangs as part of a group! I have seen this before and had first hand experience in my own case!I will be their passport then, LOL
Joe Looking,
Thanks for the honest sharing of your thoughts and experience.
All I can say now is, lets keep in touch. When our paths cross next, lets explore the world together with a bigger heart and a richer mind.
Aaah. The vagaries of this hobby, almost philosophical and also comical. Depends on how you look at it!
And Udon is my next destination with you in Thailand, I enjoy Udon soup too, by the way.
Cheers!
. You should be heartened by the fact that Indians have been around SE Asia for a while so trust me there are many places where you being Indian is far from a handicap.Thanks!
I know what it feels to being stopped while entering a club, has happened with me at my trip to St. Petersburg. It really feels disgusting but this has never made me think inferior being a Indian and having a slight wheatish complexion.
Also with all the ladies I have been with till now and they are mostly CIS I am still in touch with most of them, they enjoyed my company and it was not always about sex, so it really angers me when some white people on board says that it is you Indians who have bought this on to yourself, I agree that there are exceptions but then they are present everywhere in white or black. But you should not stereotype everyone and certainly I do not need any advice from any white telling how we Indians are. I know how we are and most of us very caring and do take very good care of our companions but these incidents of racism are very sad and really do pinch you.Perhaps you should consider the perspective from the GOGO owner's point of view.
If I were a Gogo owner or manager and certain types often caused trouble upsetting other customers and workers, while ruining their evening, or not paying, being cheap Charlie's, rudely behaved, smelly, violent, loud mouthed, screaming, etc, then I would have to seriously consider banning them all.
My decision would have nothing to do with "racism" and everything to do with behaviour. It would not be a statement about a race as a whole, but a very small subset of it who are males who wish to visit certain venues in Thailand.
If an individual Japanese man were a troublemaker, he too would be banned, but on the whole I think the Japanese are very well bahaved & good customers.
It is the same principle that certain businesses, like restaurants, for an example, may forbid customers from bringing in their dogs. It's not that all dogs [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on the furniture, bark, bite, etc, but enough of them do that the boss may feel that it warrants banning them all.
It is a purely business decision, and a business has the right to do what is in its best interests for profit and survival. It shouldn't be taken personally by pet owners that the boss is prejudiced against dogs or hates them.
It is unfortunate that some good Indian customers lose out because of such policies, but that is life. Life is not equal or fair to individuals all over the whole world, in many ways. Everyone experiences such things to one degree & in one way or another. Happily, at this time in history, humanity is more highly civilized compared to past centuries.
BTW a number of times in Thai airport lineups I've had people sneak or try to sneak their way in front of me from behind. In every case it was people of one race, usually male. I think you can guess where they come from. Do all those who come from there do that? Certainly not. Elsewhere in BKK I've had Thai people do that in markets. 7-11's, etc, & sometimes the store clerk put them in their place, but usually not.
Busybee, Duniawala, Horny Landoora (I just chucked as I said this one to myself coz an Indian would know what what means!). THANKS!
For coming forth and showing your solidarity towards your "suffering" countryman. I am truly honored to hear you guys out and touched by your sharing.
Let's make this world a better place. So some day someone will say. Its the Indians who did it!
And thanks to all non-Indian buddies here - Bionicman, Joe Looking, Amjeck, Syzygies, etc. - for being there for me, truly appreciate it.
If you want to pick go-go girls, try going to the go-go clubs in patpong, specially the King Castles. I was there with my Indian friend and he didn't have an problems picking girls up. This was a couple of years back. Good Luck.
Great advice Duniawala, will build up the relationships while away and use them while with them. Perfect strategy!
Pass on any tips you may have on how I can get started on this. Being remote I. E, away from Thailand most of the time.
Thanks!
I feel your pain. Indians could never let go of the mentality that WGs are a low caste people who needs to be slapped around, spit upon and treated with disrespect. The situation has worsened in the last few years when the ticket for a trip to Thailand is cheaper than a ticket to go from Delhi. Bombay. This has given a lot of Indians who never traveled abroad, the means to go on a foreign trip. These Indians are mostly uneducated. Even though they might be coming from an upper income group. Doesn't matter what their background is. I even met a Professor from University of kansas a few years back who had the same fucking attitude.
In my case I have never been a fan of gogo clubs. I usually develop a relationship with one girl on a long term basis. I found that it gives me more opportunities as these girls will go out of their way to accommodate you. One I know for the past 10 plus years will even get me other girls (and good ones at that) if I express that desire. So forget the go-go girls and pick the freelancers. Or pick them up at bars like for example the Bush Garden. Just have to go there a few times to establish yourself as a regular patron. I would suggest you take a look at Livingstone Lodge Sports Bar as well. Giotto is a great guy and can give you some great pointers.
There are good ones there. But us good Indians have to work a bit more than others. As Orwell said All pigs are equal, but some are more equal than others.
Good luck and happy mongering.
Duni
I will say that being with a whitey makes a huge difference, have experienced that a few years back when I was hanging out with a writer from New York. We had a welcome entry into Rainbow4 at that time, I will also agree that the service provided will also be a function of how you were perceived at the first looks (meaning. With a whitey).
Thanks. And keep the reports coming!
I already went around with one of the too, the European based one, and in NEP. Went to 2-3 bars and at that time did not encounter any issue. Maybe because he was with a whitey? Just an assumption, not a reason. He even brought a girl out of a go-go for a take home, once they were in tha cab he asked whether she had a friend as he was keen of a 3-some, the girl stepped out, walked to the bar and came back with a friend. The three went away and he was happy of the performances once in the hotel.
i could not find an appropriate section to put nataree report (only tulip & annies threads exist) , hence posting here.
yes, went to nataree after a long time and a bunch of experiences in the nep gogos. i had to decide between [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900), drbjbar (suk soi 6?) , nataree, tulip.
tulip available lineup did not sound interesting from over the phone since i had seen their pics the previous day. strolled to [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900), did not like the gang there, checked the drbjbar website. did not like the staff as much except for may be one or two. so decided to do nataree where i can be hard-pressed to pick one given the choices, sometimes i do like to be in that situation.
came out of the huai khwang station to find heavy rains, well anyways. walked to nataree. papasan was very cooperative, gave me some suggestions when i asked. but all that aside what caught my eye was a baby face on the sidelines for 2600b. the fishbowl ladies were all looking like men, not ladies (slight exaggeration). told papasan i want that baby face gal and off we go. paid 2600b and into the elevator.
once into the room, she immediately kept the airbed outside the room and locked the room, i thought may be she would get it in later. but no. she decided that she does not want to give me a soapy, what the heck! i did not make a fuss, let her run the show.
we started off with a shower, she washing me and herself. came to the bed, cuddled, etc. then she gave a cbj on request for a few minutes and then sat down to ride me. for me, nothing like the gal sitting in the ride position (on her fours) , just an inch or two above where she can "sit" which leaves me enough room to hump upwards and hold both boobs with the hands. she happened to be in that position unknowing of my desires, that let me shoot like a train on steroids. haha, not that much but you get the idea. within minutes i was happy!
then she washed me and we went to the tub which was full by now. there she made me sit in the center with back rested and she sat down in front of me, my one leg on each of her sides and my crotch between her boobs and her face right in front of me displaying all the love that can be gotten, and some more. i will treasure that moment. she washed me with soap slowly, first torse, then hands, then legs then made me turn around to do the back and so on. each part she repeated twice. she asked for my permission to wash my hair and i was like why not, please do! she shampooed my har twice and washed me. man i would not hesitate to appoint her as a personal bather (if that's some profession) only!
then back to bed and she acted as if wearing her dress back. i made signs that we have to have one more session to which she gave that big infectious smile and jumped back on to the bed. perfect! we started off with her giving another cbj, she rode me for some time, i humped her too but then i was kinda tired so decided to call it off (secret. the little bro was hurting a little from all her strong motions). anyways, we dressed, i tipped her and we left.
i got a good part of my money's worth from that face alone. if only she had let me take a picture of her face. i could have treasured it but i still got her side face in dim light, enough to keep me reminded of that baby face when i need to think about it. so all in all, i was satisfied more from her face than the act. call me crazy. at the same time, she was friendly and smiley all the time, very cute personality, god bless her!
i could not find an appropriate section to put nataree report (only tulip & annies threads exist) , hence posting here.
yes, went to nataree after a long time and a bunch of experiences in the nep gogos. i had to decide between [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900), drbjbar (suk soi 6?) , nataree, tulip.
tulip available lineup did not sound interesting from over the phone since i had seen their pics the previous day. strolled to [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900), did not like the gang there, checked the drbjbar website. did not like the staff as much except for may be one or two. so decided to do nataree where i can be hard-pressed to pick one given the choices, sometimes i do like to be in that situation.
came out of the huai khwang station to find heavy rains, well anyways. walked to nataree. papasan was very cooperative, gave me some suggestions when i asked. but all that aside what caught my eye was a baby face on the sidelines for 2600b. the fishbowl ladies were all looking like men, not ladies (slight exaggeration). told papasan i want that baby face gal and off we go. paid 2600b and into the elevator.thanks for the report. in my opinion nataree has the best line up in the whole of thailand if not the whole of south east asia. performance is clinical though.
Great advice Duniawala, will build up the relationships while away and use them while with them. Perfect strategy!
Pass on any tips you may have on how I can get started on this. Being remote I. E, away from Thailand most of the time.
Thanks!
I feel your pain. Indians could never let go of the mentality that WGs are a low caste people who needs to be slapped around, spit upon and treated with disrespect. The situation has worsened in the last few years when the ticket for a trip to Thailand is cheaper than a ticket to go from Delhi. Bombay. This has given a lot of Indians who never traveled abroad, the means to go on a foreign trip. These Indians are mostly uneducated. Even though they might be coming from an upper income group. Doesn't matter what their background is. I even met a Professor from University of kansas a few years back who had the same fucking attitude.
In my case I have never been a fan of gogo clubs. I usually develop a relationship with one girl on a long term basis. I found that it gives me more opportunities as these girls will go out of their way to accommodate you. One I know for the past 10 plus years will even get me other girls (and good ones at that) if I express that desire. So forget the go-go girls and pick the freelancers. Or pick them up at bars like for example the Bush Garden. Just have to go there a few times to establish yourself as a regular patron. I would suggest you take a look at Livingstone Lodge Sports Bar as well. Giotto is a great guy and can give you some great pointers.
There are good ones there. But us good Indians have to work a bit more than others. As Orwell said All pigs are equal, but some are more equal than others.
Good luck and happy mongering.
DuniI am silent reader of this forum and I regularly visit Bangkok 3 times in a year, I agree with your point mostly but I have to tell you that don't discourage other new good Indians who want to visit go-go bars, I visit go-go bars with out any problems. I was once stop at Rainbow4 but after talking politely they let me in. All bar owner don't want problems. So don't go in big groups and be polite and respect others and you will get respect from them, after all it is LOS.
Sam
Dash Riprock
06-10-12, 13:43
Nataree definitely has robust and ongoing recruiting for sure. Fresh girls coming in all the time. The CBJ training is a bit of a drawback, but if you're a regular with the same girl, obviously the policy goes away pretty quick.
MyNameIsChad
06-10-12, 16:41
In a couple weeks I'll be flying to Bangkok for the first time. My flight arrives at 1 AM. After finding a taxi, driving to the hotel, and checking in, I probably won't be able to get to my room until about 3, right? Where can I go to find some company in the early morning? The type of venue doesn't matter, and FL's are more than acceptable.
Is there an ideal spot, or an ideal hotel for a traveller arriving at 1 in the morning? On the flipside, if arriving at 1 means it's too late to do anything interesting, then I think I might as well find a room near the airport for a night and at least get a good night's sleep to make way for the next day.
In a couple weeks I'll be flying to Bangkok for the first time. My flight arrives at 1 AM. After finding a taxi, driving to the hotel, and checking in, I probably won't be able to get to my room until about 3, right? Where can I go to find some company in the early morning? The type of venue doesn't matter, and FL's are more than acceptable.
Is there an ideal spot, or an ideal hotel for a traveller arriving at 1 in the morning? On the flipside, if arriving at 1 means it's too late to do anything interesting, then I think I might as well find a room near the airport for a night and at least get a good night's sleep to make way for the next day.If you go and check in at a hotel on Suk then you can call Sabai, Sabai massage for an outcall. They are open 24 hrs. They offer FS including a good massage. The girls are maybe 3-5 in looks but the ones I have had are great in giving massage.
In a couple weeks I'll be flying to Bangkok for the first time. My flight arrives at 1 AM. So much has been written here about this late arrivals. Don't waste time thinking too much, just book an hotel in lower Sukhumvit, get in, drop your bags, have a quick shower to change clothing and if all ok and energy is still with you at appr 2. 30am you are on the road for a freelancer Sukhumvit is full of, worst case scenario head to Nana Car Park. Younmightbeven find a gogo walking around, our of her bar, and still fancy a late night business.
But don't waste your night at an airport hotel.
Fuck me dead! You started as badly as possible. You take no shower and expect a blow-job. I started feeling for you till I got to this part. Look the shower is 100% mandatory. Its not acceptable in Thailand to be unwashed.
I suspect she never really wanted to do LT. Many Bacarra girls are into quick turn-over. You didn't say what you intended to pay for what was clearly going to be more than ST. My advice is never take a girl to restuarant and dancing etc, until after you have had sex and confirmed a good chemistry going between the two of you. Then you get to offer the girl various things like dinner dancing etc, and she will either wish to dissappear quickly or if she is liking you and money is right, she might agree. I have found with some girls the chemistry starts building from the 2nd time we go together, and she is realising that I open to her wishes and not putting her under pressure.
I almost never take a girl more than ST on first time unless the chemistry is something exceptional.After a decade here I'd have to say that this is completely and utterly untrue. While yes, Thais adore cleanliness and bathe often, and yes, nobody likes someone who smells. I have found over the years that a huge part of the aap naam bit is just part of the girl's routine. I am astounded by the number of girls I have stay with me who sit and drink and talk for an hour or two, and when we find out that we actually both enjoy each other's company, the sex is exciting, spontaneous, and with total disregard for the norm, just rip each other's clothes off and get into it. I have talked about this with a lot of the girls and have found them to be in complete agreement, Obviously, if one or the other needs a wash, it happens, but I would say it is far from the norm if it is actually mutual.
I think that for most members who report bad experiences, including myself, it is probably more an issue of mismanaging expectations than the attitude or behavior of the member. I usually prefer hostess bars to go-gos but even the few times I had gone to a go-go before Soi Cowboy, I had never been hounded for drinks so I did not expect it there. I expect that when I buy a drink I am buying 5-10 minutes of face time; therefore I should not have bought any drinks for women who were obviously not going to stick around.
Some men expect that the interest a woman shows in them at the go-go will translate to the bedroom so they get upset when she is affectionate in the go-go but a starfish in the hotel. Some men expect that more money equals better service; however in Thailand more money usually means she has a feature that customers pay a premium for (younger, newer, dare I say whiter skin) or she sees the guy coming from a mile away. The guy then gets upset because he paid her more than most Thais make in a month and she gave a weak BJ followed by pedestrian sex. Some men expect a GFE experience, including kissing and DATY, and then are disappointed when the girl shies away from those things.
Here's some advice that may help other guys better manage their expectations vis-a-vis go-gos.
If you are limited on time read past reports and only go with girls who got glowing reviews. I have found that how good a girl is can often be hit or miss, but the good ones are generally consistent. Granted I have recommended women to other guys and had the guys say that she told them no to things that she did for me so YMMV.
Remember that Asians draw a line between generosity and stupidity. Telling her about how expensive your hotel is will probably not impress her so much as get her thinking about how she will rip you off.
Always be price conscious, read the board and ask several girls at several places time permitting, because in my experience and what I've been told by other men there is a point of diminishing returns. In other words I may pay a girl 2000 (which IMO is beyond generous giving cost of living and wages in BKK) for LT and you may pay her 4000 but we will probably get the same effort from her.
Be honest with yourself about what you are looking for. If you want a girl for LT or even a ST girl who won't rush you avoid bars that encourage the girls to go with as many customers per night as possible.
Be honest about why you are there. If you want to party and have a good time then buy some drinks and get a few lap dances. If you want a girl then go in, order a soda, signal the girl (s) you are interested in, maybe buy them a drink, negotiate, pay the bar fine and then leave.
Be upfront about what you want. I know some men don't like talking price or deeds beforehand, but IMO that can lead to miscommunications and overpaying. For example, if you want a GFE with kissing and some bb services then make sure to let her know before you leave and make sure she is okay with it.
Lastly, don't fear the Japanese / Korean / Chinese. One of the best thing about Asian men is that their ideal woman is often not the woman that many western men like. Even in places with a large Asian crowd, there are always beautiful women for the taking and some of them are overjoyed when you show them the slightest bit of attention. Also, don't be afraid to talk to them. I constantly hear guys bitching about how the Japanese and Koreans are ruining things by overpaying, but most men overpay until they know differently. The first time I went to Laos I was paying 4-5 times what I paid the second time for LT simply because I did not know any better and I'm sure many of you have similar tales.You have some excellent posts and are to be commended for good common sense. If more mongers had these caveats down it would be a far better scene for everyone involved!
Hi, this is my first post.
Going to Bangkok next fall with my girlfriend, who happens to be bi and open minded. Is there any place where I can get FS for couples? And how much should I have to offer? Are couples allowed in in Go-Go's?
Traveler1234
06-10-12, 23:04
Is there an ideal spot, or an ideal hotel for a traveller arriving at 1 in the morning? On the flipside, if arriving at 1 means it's too late to do anything interesting, then I think I might as well find a room near the airport for a night and at least get a good night's sleep to make way for the next day.Couple of options come to mind:
1. Email or pm Giotto to see if he can arrange someone from sports bar to take care of you. If you were staying at Livingstone's Lodge, that will definitely not be a problem.
2. Email one of the oilies, EZ, Snow White, Tulips or Mango to see if they can arrange for outcall upon arrival.
In a couple weeks I'll be flying to Bangkok for the first time. My flight arrives at 1 AM. After finding a taxi, driving to the hotel, and checking in, I probably won't be able to get to my room until about 3, right? Where can I go to find some company in the early morning? The type of venue doesn't matter, and FL's are more than acceptable.
Is there an ideal spot, or an ideal hotel for a traveller arriving at 1 in the morning? On the flipside, if arriving at 1 means it's too late to do anything interesting, then I think I might as well find a room near the airport for a night and at least get a good night's sleep to make way for the next day.If you arrive at 1 AM, depending on various circumstances, you could possibly make it to the NEP area by 2 AM. From there you could try freelancers in the nearby vicinity, Nana Hotel disco, or bars that may still be open or just about to close, etc. Even at 3 AM you should still be able to find some company for the night.
In a couple weeks I'll be flying to Bangkok for the first time. My flight arrives at 1 AM. After finding a taxi, driving to the hotel, and checking in, I probably won't be able to get to my room until about 3, right? Where can I go to find some company in the early morning? The type of venue doesn't matter, and FL's are more than acceptable.
Is there an ideal spot, or an ideal hotel for a traveller arriving at 1 in the morning? On the flipside, if arriving at 1 means it's too late to do anything interesting, then I think I might as well find a room near the airport for a night and at least get a good night's sleep to make way for the next day.If you want action it is no problem. At that time you can get quickly by taxi to Sukhumvit. You can be there before 2am. Streets there are still full of life. Try a hotel in low Sukhumvit, maybe Ibis Nana soi 4. You are close to everything. You can go to Nana parking lot og walk to Sukhumvit road, plenty of company to choose from. Street bars are one option. Open until 5 at least. Lots of ladies. Don't stay at the airport.
I am silent reader of this forum and I regularly visit Bangkok 3 times in a year, I agree with your point mostly but I have to tell you that don't discourage other new good Indians who want to visit go-go bars, I visit go-go bars with out any problems. I was once stop at Rainbow4 but after talking politely they let me in. All bar owner don't want problems. So don't go in big groups and be polite and respect others and you will get respect from them, after all it is LOS.
SamI have lived in Bangkok for over 10 years and there is no doubt you will find entertainment venues of all types with a "not allowed in" policy. It is not confined to Indians, there are bars in soi 5 and 7 that do not allow black people in, bars in Pattaya that do not allow middle east people in. This behaviour does not reflect any ingrainned sense of racism on the part of Thais who in my experience are the least racist people on earth but rather a number of bad experiences with certain nationalities. It is unfortunate that a minority of a certain nationality who behave badly impact the way all of them are treated. That said there are cultural differences that Thai ladies find difficult to deal with. A lot of ladies will tell you that Indians are not fond of showering before sex and quite often have a strong body odour which they find off putting. Middle east guys are sometimes less than respectful to them etc. At the end of the day racism of any sort is wrong but equally important is the need to change one's own culture based behaviour to adapt to local norms. Finally to finish off one of the most prevasive forms of discrimination in Thailand is against Thai men being refused service at the majority of oilies.
MyNameIsChad
06-11-12, 05:32
I wasn't expecting too many options, even in Thailand, at that hour, but it looks like it still beats any other place I've been to. I'll look into the hotels mentioned, and I definitely know which area to look in now. Thanks for the tips and the detailed directions.
Wolvenvacht
06-11-12, 07:03
Hi, this is my first post.
Going to Bangkok next fall with my girlfriend, who happens to be bi and open minded. Is there any place where I can get FS for couples? And how much should I have to offer? Are couples allowed in in Go-Go's?You are a lucky man!
Go to any agogo bar and ask the mamasan. It will all depend on the girls that are in that moment. Some will refuse, others may like it. And couples are definitely allowed in agogo bars. Prices are, as always, negotiable.
A place where they can surely assist you is the Eden Club, but it will be "hard core: the GFE is less and the action may be somewhat mechanical. Again all will depend on the girls present.
I think an agogo will be your best choice. It allows you to have a good look at what is on offer. Spending some ladydrinks gets you to know the girls better and you can even "sample" a bit of what is available. Have your girlfriend join in and see how they react: that is always a good indication. Make sure that you discuss what you want with the girl, it will save trouble and disappointment later when you bring her to your hotel room.
Hi, this is my first post.
Going to Bangkok next fall with my girlfriend, who happens to be bi and open minded. Is there any place where I can get FS for couples? And how much should I have to offer? Are couples allowed in in Go-Go's?I recommend Annie's for this, in house or at your hotel, lots of girls who can provide this service and the mamasan will help you choose the right girl.
Enjoy and please report!
OK thanks.
The price they will command would be more or less the same as for a single FS?
So then, I have to check that the hotel is Girl Friendly, haven't I? And the extra charge.
Couples are also wellcome at massage clubs?
You are a lucky man!
Go to any agogo bar and ask the mamasan. It will all depend on the girls that are in that moment. Some will refuse, others may like it. And couples are definitely allowed in agogo bars. Prices are, as always, negotiable.
A place where they can surely assist you is the Eden Club, but it will be "hard core: the GFE is less and the action may be somewhat mechanical. Again all will depend on the girls present.
I think an agogo will be your best choice. It allows you to have a good look at what is on offer. Spending some ladydrinks gets you to know the girls better and you can even "sample" a bit of what is available. Have your girlfriend join in and see how they react: that is always a good indication. Make sure that you discuss what you want with the girl, it will save trouble and disappointment later when you bring her to your hotel room.
I had been on the shelf for a while. Now I'm back in the game.
On more than one day at different times, I checked out massage shops all over sukhumvit. Mango, Cherry, SW, Tulip, Melody, and some others. They are dead, no talent. 40% of the woman I would not have sex with period. I did fuck 2 girls, but neither were anything to write home about. One was cute with a pretty nice body, but she had terrible see section scar. The other was just like a robot.
So after almost a 5 month absence I went to Nana on Saturday. Granted, I did waste some money on beers checking out alot of bars, next time I will not. I found a 20 year old stunner, long time 3000. You never know what to expect, but this girl fucked me like she maent it from the time we walked in the door until the morning.
So after almost a 5 month absence I went to Nana on Saturday. Granted, I did waste some money on beers checking out alot of bars, next time I will not. I found a 20 year old stunner, long time 3000. You never know what to expect, but this girl fucked me like she maent it from the time we walked in the door until the morning.RM radiO,
Do you like palindromes?
Common myth that all go-go girls are shit. Some are but if chosen very carefully and wisely, there are some really good girls not watching the clock. Unfortunately many gogo bars have become competitive to see which girls can get the most bar-fines per month, which is clearly contrary to customer service. So I am preferring bars where girls are in no rush and happy to waste time mucking around rather than return to the gogo dancing.
Obviously girls dancing with most of the gear off easily show if they are better looking than average oily MP girls. Some hot looking girls in the Soapy business but not many with stamina. Most oily girls with stamina are less than stunning for sure.
I have lived in Bangkok for over 10 years and there is no doubt you will find entertainment venues of all types with a "not allowed in" policy. It is not confined to Indians, there are bars in soi 5 and 7 that do not allow black people in, bars in Pattaya that do not allow middle east people in. This behaviour does not reflect any ingrainned sense of racism on the part of Thais who in my experience are the least racist people on earth but rather a number of bad experiences with certain nationalities. It is unfortunate that a minority of a certain nationality who behave badly impact the way all of them are treated. That said there are cultural differences that Thai ladies find difficult to deal with. A lot of ladies will tell you that Indians are not fond of showering before sex and quite often have a strong body odour which they find off putting. Middle east guys are sometimes less than respectful to them etc. At the end of the day racism of any sort is wrong but equally important is the need to change one's own culture based behaviour to adapt to local norms. Finally to finish off one of the most prevasive forms of discrimination in Thailand is against Thai men being refused service at the majority of oilies.While on the subject of racism in Thailand, this just in today: http://www.richardbarrow.com/2012/06/no-foreigners-allowed-in-this-shop-in-mbk-in-bangkok/
Wolvenvacht
06-11-12, 19:19
OK thanks.
The price they will command would be more or less the same as for a single FS?
So then, I have to check that the hotel is Girl Friendly, haven't I? And the extra charge.
Couples are also welcome at massage clubs?All prices are negotiable, so smile a lot and try to get a good deal.
Most hotels are girl friendly, but some hotels might find 3 people in one room too much and for sure you will run out of towels quickly.
As far as I know, massage shops have generally no objections to couples. Whether you both will get a "happy ending" is something entirely different. And consider the logistics: one massage girl will not be able to massage you both at the same time. Most of the massage rooms are rather small and do not really allow for a comfortable 3-people-romp. In many places the "fun" is limited to a HJ or BBBJ and I have no idea whatsoever what is available for women.
My suggestion is to get a real clean Thai massage at the Wat Pho temple and then go to an agogo and choose your playmate for the night. That way you will have the best of both.
Most hotels are girl friendly, but some hotels might find 3 people in one room too much and for sure you will run out of towels quickly.
As far as I know, massage shops have generally no objections to couples. .Livingstone Surely allows guests to bring a guest in and I recall there are three sets of towels at all times.
Annie's do cater for couple as I have seen myself a young couple selecting a girl from the fishbowl. What happened behind the room door is of course none of my knowledge.
I am sure an mail to Aye will clarify pending points and possibly guide through the selection of the girl.
Prices for 3-somes (2 plus one soapie girl) are just the double of the normal rate. Whether one girl only can make a couple happy, much depends on what the couple has in mind.
Traveler1234
06-11-12, 21:20
Hi, this is my first post.
Going to Bangkok next fall with my girlfriend, who happens to be bi and open minded. Is there any place where I can get FS for couples? And how much should I have to offer? Are couples allowed in in Go-Go's?I would definitely check the oilies. I know Cat [the original] and Bo from Mango would definitely do bi-sexual romps. I can't imagine others from Mango, Snow White, EZ, Tulips, etc. From having 1 or 2 that are also into it. As far as fee, I don't think they up-charge. :D
Also, pay Jackson the subscription fee. That way you can receive PM from others. You'd be surprised at how many might actually prefer a PM to you.
I have lived in Bangkok for over 10 years and there is no doubt you will find entertainment venues of all types with a "not allowed in" policy. It is not confined to Indians, there are bars in soi 5 and 7 that do not allow black people in, bars in Pattaya that do not allow middle east people in. This behaviour does not reflect any ingrainned sense of racism on the part of Thais who in my experience are the least racist people on earth but rather a number of bad experiences with certain nationalities. It is unfortunate that a minority of a certain nationality who behave badly impact the way all of them are treated. That said there are cultural differences that Thai ladies find difficult to deal with. A lot of ladies will tell you that Indians are not fond of showering before sex and quite often have a strong body odour which they find off putting. Middle east guys are sometimes less than respectful to them etc. At the end of the day racism of any sort is wrong but equally important is the need to change one's own culture based behaviour to adapt to local norms. Finally to finish off one of the most prevasive forms of discrimination in Thailand is against Thai men being refused service at the majority of oilies.Least racist people on the earth? Really? The Thai Chinese are very racist. Just look at how dark skinned Thais are treated. After well over a decade here, I would say that Thais grow more racist and xenophobic by the year.
Farang surcharges are another example of racism. Also the allow racist practices such as Japanese Only bars.
After a decade here I'd have to say that this is completely and utterly untrue. While yes, Thais adore cleanliness and bathe often, and yes, nobody likes someone who smells. I have found over the years that a huge part of the aap naam bit is just part of the girl's routine. I am astounded by the number of girls I have stay with me who sit and drink and talk for an hour or two, and when we find out that we actually both enjoy each other's company, the sex is exciting, spontaneous, and with total disregard for the norm, just rip each other's clothes off and get into it. I have talked about this with a lot of the girls and have found them to be in complete agreement, Obviously, if one or the other needs a wash, it happens, but I would say it is far from the norm if it is actually mutual.Exactly. The "app-nam" is a way of the gal controlling the "session" and making sure it is not "boyfriend" sex.
NicFrenchy
06-12-12, 07:37
Least racist people on the earth? Really? The Thai Chinese are very racist. Just look at how dark skinned Thais are treated. After well over a decade here, I would say that Thais grow more racist and xenophobic by the year.
Farang surcharges are another example of racism. Also the allow racist practices such as Japanese Only bars.Meanwhile, on the ground floor of MBK near Starbucks you can see this (See picture)
Meanwhile, on the ground floor of MBK near Starbucks you can see this (See picture)Yep. Not to mention the very difficult path to citizenship, not allowing foreigners to own "ground," and the ease of which foreign women married to Thai men have with visas compared to foreign men with Thai women.
Least racist people on the earth? Really? The Thai Chinese are very racist. Just look at how dark skinned Thais are treated. After well over a decade here, I would say that Thais grow more racist and xenophobic by the year.
Farang surcharges are another example of racism. Also the allow racist practices such as Japanese Only bars.True Chinese don't usually intermarry and oddly enough in my experience some of the more snotty nosed superior types are Bangkok born Indians. Some cannot even bring themselves to speak Thai as they consider it an inferior language to English. This is not true of Indians born outside of bnagkok in say Chiangmai or Chiangrai.
Having "whatever" only venues is quite different from "you types are not allowed in here" however I will agree with your observation of social class discrimination within Thailand, most asssuredly a lot of Bangkoktonians consider themselves superior in intelligence and breeding to their Essan counterparts. As for farang surcharges I have always considered that acceptable in an underdeveloped country. Look at it as It's not that you pay more it's that the locals pay less.
However I still hold to the feeling as a race Thai's are not racist, it's simply against their Buddist belief system.
3rd time in Thailand. 1st in BKK. 1st in Pattaya. 1st solo. I arrive in 3 days for 2 weeks. Head straight to Pattaya from the airport before I get some time in BKK. Can't wait to start with the raunchiest thing I can find on soi 6, Pattaya. I hope I'll be able to collect some interesting pics and stories.
Thank you for what you had to share. I'm heading to Thailand in 3 days time, and look forward to it. Not sure if you're around the same time but I'd be happy to buy a round if you were.
It sucks to hear about your experience but as a black American I may be more qualified than many other members to give you advice. I've been travelling SE Asia for about 8 months, doing plenty of mongering along the way, and I have only faced a small amount of discrimination from working girls. Most of the discrimination...
Meanwhile, on the ground floor of MBK near Starbucks you can see this (See picture)Could also well be that the shop caters for products mainly for Thais, they maybe cannot speak English, they do not want to end in long discussions ending nowhere with farang's on products and prices. You can see the limited english skills by the sign itself.
Keeping foreigners out of the shop reduces the "loose face" situation in not being able to deal with a foreigner, that can be felt as a reason of embarrassment.
NicFrenchy
06-12-12, 17:24
Could also well be that the shop caters for products mainly for Thais, they maybe cannot speak English, they do not want to end in long discussions ending nowhere with farang's on products and prices. You can see the limited english skills by the sign itself.
Keeping foreigners out of the shop reduces the "loose face" situation in not being able to deal with a foreigner, that can be felt as a reason of embarrassment.Oh please, spare me the "Lose Face" part LOL it's too easy. Thais have no face when it comes to trick Farangs out of their money.
The shop sells bags and Jewelry, so it's pretty broad.
Dash Riprock
06-12-12, 18:16
That's one of the great 'Disney' esque aspects of the LOS. Issues regarding race and class are much less overt. It's quite possible that you can go about your business here (as an Arab, Black, Latino, Anglo, etc. Etc.) and only the people who don't have an issue with you will drift towards you and cater to you. The folks that don't like you tend not to get in your face (non-confrontational) to make you feel unwelcome. It doesn't mean it isn't there though. Even among the main three 'controlling' groups: the indigenous Thais, the Thais of Chinese descent, and the Thais of Indian descent, there are all kinds of issues of mistrust, dislike, and actions that would be labelled as 'racist' in the west.... even while on the surface there's all kinds of 'for show' displays of everyone getting along in 'perfect' harmony.
Somewhere15
06-12-12, 18:55
Yep. Not to mention the very difficult path to citizenship, not allowing foreigners to own "ground," and the ease of which foreign women married to Thai men have with visas compared to foreign men with Thai women.I have seen that before. Always thought that was more because they didn't speak English.
Oh please, spare me the "Lose Face" part LOL it's too easy. Thais have no face when it comes to trick Farangs out of their money.
The shop sells bags and Jewelry, so it's pretty broad.They steal but don't want to be taken as thieves. LOL. Can you figure out, having seen it, why they would not allow foreigners?
Crazy4Thai
06-13-12, 01:51
They steal but don't want to be taken as thieves. LOL. Can you figure out, having seen it, why they would not allow foreigners?Oh PLEASE!
As Waylon already pointed out about racism, Thai's are not thieves, it's simply against their Buddist belief system.
Same same Christians.
NicFrenchy
06-13-12, 04:39
Oh PLEASE!
As Waylon already pointed out about racism, Thai's are not thieves, it's simply against their Buddist belief system.
Same same Christians.Oh no, don't bring in the fucking Christians, no thanks, enough of these "Angel Believing" assholes in the west already.
Fisherman2
06-13-12, 05:48
Meanwhile, on the ground floor of MBK near Starbucks you can see this (See picture)I realise that one can rationalise this in a number of ways, but I am quite shocked by this sign. Imagine the equivalent sign on a shop in New York or London; all hell would break loose.
Thinking about it: maybe all hell should break loose. Hopefully somebody finds the time to post this on Thai tourism websites.
They steal but don't want to be taken as thieves. LOL. Can you figure out, having seen it, why they would not allow foreigners?That is why when caught, not telling the truth, or being dishonest, it becomes "just a joke" when it is dressed up that way it means it does not offend there Buddhist beliefs and there not stealing.
As for the sign my thoughts foreigners will think the items must be copies/fakes and start an integration to the items validity are they cannot be bothered to deal with those people, In a language which is not there own.
Guys. Please leave the topic of racism now and lets talk about the real deal.
I wrote a big one because I went through some stuff, but take it easy you all.
Could also well be that the shop caters for products mainly for Thais, they maybe cannot speak English, they do not want to end in long discussions ending nowhere with farang's on products and prices. You can see the limited english skills by the sign itself.
Keeping foreigners out of the shop reduces the "loose face" situation in not being able to deal with a foreigner, that can be felt as a reason of embarrassment.I agree. Obviously they are embarrassed by their poor English ability. As I speak Thai, I would have no issue with shopping there, and I doubt they would have any issue with me. I don't argue about quality of the goods. Either I want it for a price, or I don't. Don't expect too much, no warranties.
Sorry we should in the General Thread I think
After a decade here I'd have to say that this is completely and utterly untrue. While yes, Thais adore cleanliness and bathe often, and yes, nobody likes someone who smells. I have found over the years that a huge part of the aap naam bit is just part of the girl's routine. I am astounded by the number of girls I have stay with me who sit and drink and talk for an hour or two, and when we find out that we actually both enjoy each other's company, the sex is exciting, spontaneous, and with total disregard for the norm, just rip each other's clothes off and get into it. I have talked about this with a lot of the girls and have found them to be in complete agreement, Obviously, if one or the other needs a wash, it happens, but I would say it is far from the norm if it is actually mutual.It depends greatly on the peronal standards of the Thais involved. My GF and most Thai girls I know are fastidious. Many girls will not allow DATY without cleaning there first. As you know, Thais are incredibly clean and fragrant, and often don't need a shower before sex. You may well be extremely clean also. This is not the norm. There are plenty of guys out there that think they are clean who actually have smelly dicks and armpits. Circumsized guys are known to be naturally cleaner, but have reduced sensitivity. I never try to get my GF or any other girl to do blowjob with me without getting clean, after going outside somewhere, or pissing, or anything. Might spoil spontenatity, but usually I have already got the cleaning out of the way (to be prepared).
Good luck to you if you want to get a gogo girl then refuse to "aap nam"! My cleaning advice stands, but wasn't directed to experienced guys like you. You will know best.
NicFrenchy
06-13-12, 11:38
Circumsized guys are known to be naturally cleaner, but have reduced sensitivity.
Where did you get this one? Google? Bing? YAhoo? LOL.
I am circumcised (long story there) and I have no issues with Sensitivity, in fact, if I had more sensitivity I'd be ejaculating within minutes! Haha
NicFrenchy
06-13-12, 12:37
Just need Love. 28 (Bangkok)
Date: 2012-06-13, 5:32PM ICT.
Reply to: pmxzp-3074793161@pers.craigslist.org
Hi, I'm looking for longterm relationship. I'm not a hooker, just a general girl who want someone to spend time together. Watch movie, have a dinner, travel around
No black guy please.
NicFrenchy
06-13-12, 12:41
Any takers?
This shower argument is pointless and has nothing to do with culture, love or boyfriends.
Simply, it is 36 degrees in Thailand most days. No way am I touching a girl until she has had a shower and no way would I expect her to touch me either. Its just that simple and I wouldn't read much into it.
Could also well be that the shop caters for products mainly for Thais, they maybe cannot speak English, they do not want to end in long discussions ending nowhere with farang's on products and prices. You can see the limited english skills by the sign itself.
Keeping foreigners out of the shop reduces the "loose face" situation in not being able to deal with a foreigner, that can be felt as a reason of embarrassment.On this losing face basis, then I guess 85% of the rest of all businesses in Bangkok will be hanging signs up shortly. Phuket tuk tuk drivers need to take a cue from this. They can't speak English or deal with farangs.
Oh no, don't bring in the fucking Christians, no thanks, enough of these "Angel Believing" assholes in the west already.Amen, nothing more annoying than Christians.
Busty and beautiful! Thanks!
Any takers?
Horny Landoora
06-13-12, 21:41
This shower argument is pointless and has nothing to do with culture, love or boyfriends.I agree. Its about hygiene. In any case its better for both the partners to be clean to enjoy a BJ / DATY. Although in some cultures cleanliness does play an important role nevertheless!
Crazy4Thai
06-14-12, 02:19
Amen, nothing more annoying than Christians.I guess the intended sarcasm in my comment was not readily apparent; ie the Jim Bakers of the world, etc etc etc etc etc etc
Why are you copying the Craiglist to the Forum, Nic? I suppose everybody can see that there. Instead why don't you tell us your experiences with the Craiglist women if you have some.
Tony Hoeprano
06-14-12, 06:20
Meanwhile, on the ground floor of MBK near Starbucks you can see this (See picture)I usually stay away from doing business with the clowns at MBK and pantip plaza, those vendors generally give off an unfriendly vibe. I don't feel that way when dealing with real retailers. I remember the first time in BKK and purchasing a 1-2 call sim card it was 50 baht and the fat ass tried charging me 100 baht. However, that haircut place on the 4th floor does a great job for 180 bahts.
Why are you copying the Craiglist to the Forum, Nic? I suppose everybody can see that there. Instead why don't you tell us your experiences with the Craiglist women if you have some. Nic has decided to become a pimp! LOL
Bangkok is very quiet at the moment, bars, restaurants and all others are complaining over very few customers around. They are blaming Euro 2012 and its the rainy season. But trying to ignore the strong baht and the ever rising cost of drinks.
We shall see come August whether things recover and it was just Euro 2012 stopping people travelling.
Great time for mongerers at the moment, lots of hungry girls with no customers night after night. Easy to get good prices and good looking girls at the moment. They need their money no matter how pretty they are, or are not.
Supply and demand. Girls are in excess supply and customers are in demand. So bargain well people, its now prime mongering time.
Bangkok is very quiet at the moment, bars, restaurants and all others are complaining over very few customers around. They are blaming Euro 2012 and its the rainy season. But trying to ignore the strong baht and the ever rising cost of drinks.
We shall see come August whether things recover and it was just Euro 2012 stopping people travelling.
Great time for mongerers at the moment, lots of hungry girls with no customers night after night. Easy to get good prices and good looking girls at the moment. They need their money no matter how pretty they are, or are not.
Supply and demand. Girls are in excess supply and customers are in demand. So bargain well people, its now prime mongering time.What are you referring to when you use the term "Euro 2012"? Does this refer to the currency exchange value, the economic recession in the Euro zone, or some thing else?
What are you referring to when you use the term "Euro 2012"? Does this refer to the currency exchange value, the economic recession in the Euro zone, or some thing else?Seems there is a soccer european championship taking place these weeks in Poland / Ukraina. Being held every 4 years. It is called Euro 2012. Soccer = 11+11 guys running after a ball and well paid to do so. Got the idea, now?
Just to anticipate the next issue: in a few weeks London Olympics 2012 will also kick off. Olympic is an ancient multi-sport competition, being held every 4 years too. You can also google for Olympics, or go on Wikipedia: it helps
PS . . and no..this time you do not have to RTFF, as Euro 2012 has not much to do with paid sex, the subject discussed on ISG
Horny Landoora
06-14-12, 18:55
What are you referring to when you use the term "Euro 2012"? Does this refer to the currency exchange value, the economic recession in the Euro zone, or some thing else?Are you serious? Please my friend tell me you are joking! If not, then am shocked! Still Google it and you would have your answer!
Member #4387
06-15-12, 01:03
aha i like to hear it is quite in bkk. i almost got a heartattack when reading about euro 2012 and it`s influence on less people due to this. maby if you are anti anti anti sports and never have looked in anything near the sports section in a nespaper or allways switch off the telly when sports are closing in. then maby just maby you can live your life without knowing there is a big sports event going on in poland / ukraine but i would not think so.
but if there are many girls around and just a few guys. who can complain (ofcourse the women can)? atleast not me. heading for a fast and energetic speeddate long weekend in bkk. hope to meet a lot of freelanceladies and maby a few of my regular girls (not decided yet). first of all this is a secret mission so maby i just leave the regulars out of this (i will probably, one way or another, run into them from reasons not known to me. just usual bad luck i guess (bad omen). i hope to have a lot of fun and i hope to take a lot of pictures. so far i am sure i don't hit the right buttons from the ladies point of view because most of them deny me to take any pics from them. quite irritating actually.
happy mongoring to all of you.
Bangkok is very quiet at the moment, bars, restaurants and all others are complaining over very few customers around. They are blaming Euro 2012 and its the rainy season. But trying to ignore the strong baht and the ever rising cost of drinks.
We shall see come August whether things recover and it was just Euro 2012 stopping people travelling.
Great time for mongerers at the moment, lots of hungry girls with no customers night after night. Easy to get good prices and good looking girls at the moment. They need their money no matter how pretty they are, or are not.
Supply and demand. Girls are in excess supply and customers are in demand. So bargain well people, its now prime mongering time.Well, I tried to get a girl from Thermae last night, Agree there were not a lot of Jap / non-japanese customers there. She was young and pretty. She asked for 2000 ST and 4000LT. Offered 1500 ST / 3000LT, but she did not budge. So, left without her.
Rony
Well, I tried to get a girl from Thermae last night, Agree there were not a lot of Jap / non-japanese customers there. She was young and pretty. She asked for 2000 ST and 4000LT. Offered 1500 ST / 3000LT, but she did not budge. So, left without her.
RonyGlad you stuck to your guns. Always amazed they would rather go home empty handed than with 1500 baht in their pockets. The vast majority of Thai workers would be jumping for joy if they could make 1500 baht in one or two hours. The gals have been spoiled.
Glad you stuck to your guns. Always amazed they would rather go home empty handed than with 1500 baht in their pockets. The vast majority of Thai workers would be jumping for joy if they could make 1500 baht in one or two hours. The gals have been spoiled.I totally agree. Last night, found that it is no more Bangkok price, it is now Singapore price already. Before I left past midnight (after Italy scored the goal against Croatia) , she was still standing there with no luck. Something is wrong with their business model.
Actually, you can shag a pretty thai girl for 50 sing dollars (1200TB) , if you know where the locals go in Singapore.
Rony
Dash Riprock
06-15-12, 05:34
Let's not also forget that even penniless and likely up to their eyeballs in debt prostitutes have their standards and can have their bad days as well.
Wolvenvacht
06-15-12, 06:47
Glad you stuck to your guns. Always amazed they would rather go home empty handed than with 1500 baht in their pockets. The vast majority of Thai workers would be jumping for joy if they could make 1500 baht in one or two hours. The gals have been spoiled.55555+ How very 19th century. I can almost hear a wealthy factory owner telling his friends the same story in his gentlemen's club: "You know what happened? My workers refuse to work for the hunger wages I only want to pay. These workers are getting spoiled". If your great-great-grandfather did not "stick to his guns" and forced the factory owners to pay decent wages, you would now not have the money and the chance to spend your money on Thai pussy.
The vast majority of Thai workers would be jumping for joy if they could make 1500 baht in one or two hours. The gals have been spoiled.What is the relevance of that? I too would jump for joy if I could make the USD 300 (or whatever) a male prostitute in my home country can make in 20 minutes. Doesn't make me any more interested in dumping my, at least per working hour, lower paying engineering job to adorn some tight-fitting clothes and go stand on the street. Obviously these women are whoring because the working terms, in most cases probably mainly money, are significantly better than the vast majority of other work they could get. Comparing their pay per hour for having a strangers dick inserted into them with the pay per hour of, e.g., somebody putting your groceries in a bag at the supermarket isn't very relevant.
What is the relevance of that? - - - Comparing their pay per hour for having a strangers dick inserted into them with the pay per hour of, e.g., somebody putting your groceries in a bag at the supermarket isn't very relevant.Makes sense. It can appear as a lot of money, but, as you say, it also means getting many dicks everyday, but for how many years? 20 at the best? And then? It also doesn't mean that they have such an hourly earning for 8 hours a day.
Pointy Stick
06-15-12, 09:11
Well, I tried to get a girl from Thermae last night, Agree there were not a lot of Jap / non-japanese customers there. She was young and pretty. She asked for 2000 ST and 4000LT. Offered 1500 ST / 3000LT, but she did not budge. So, left without her.
RonyThey're discounting at the Nana parking lot at 2am from 1500 to 1000 pretty easily so maybe that's more your style.
Seriously, there is a limit before it becomes demeaning and she simply downgrades the service levels to reflect the price you pay. For the sake of 500 baht you may have missed out on some fantastic GFE but its your call.
Maybe it's not the girls who have become spoiled but the mongers who have expectations out of synch with the economic realities of Thailand.
They're discounting at the Nana parking lot at 2am from 1500 to 1000 pretty easily so maybe that's more your style.
Seriously, there is a limit before it becomes demeaning and she simply downgrades the service levels to reflect the price you pay. For the sake of 500 baht you may have missed out on some fantastic GFE but its your call.
Maybe it's not the girls who have become spoiled but the mongers who have expectations out of synch with the economic realities of Thailand.? I think it is many of the mongers who don't get the economic "realities" of Thailand. Again. 1500 baht for an hour or two of work is amazing money in this country. If she gets that 20 times a month, well 30k. More than a large percentage of Uni grads earn after a few years experience. That is the economic reality of Thailand.
What is the relevance of that? I too would jump for joy if I could make the USD 300 (or whatever) a male prostitute in my home country can make in 20 minutes. Doesn't make me any more interested in dumping my, at least per working hour, lower paying engineering job to adorn some tight-fitting clothes and go stand on the street. Obviously these women are whoring because the working terms, in most cases probably mainly money, are significantly better than the vast majority of other work they could get. Comparing their pay per hour for having a strangers dick inserted into them with the pay per hour of, e.g., somebody putting your groceries in a bag at the supermarket isn't very relevant.Most Uni educated Thais make less than that (1500 baht) in a day. We are not talking about grocery sackers. Freelancers have freedom of choice by the way.
? I think it is many of the mongers who don't get the economic "realities" of Thailand. Again. 1500 baht for an hour or two of work is amazing money in this country. If she gets that 20 times a month, well 30k. More than a large percentage of Uni grads earn after a few years experience. That is the economic reality of Thailand.Will you spread your legs (and get something inside) for 100USD for ST? For 5 times a day, that makes 500USD a day and 15000 a month. Far more than what your neighbour earns, probbaly, isn't it?
Pointy Stick
06-15-12, 10:27
? I think it is many of the mongers who don't get the economic "realities" of Thailand. Again. 1500 baht for an hour or two of work is amazing money in this country. If she gets that 20 times a month, well 30k. More than a large percentage of Uni grads earn after a few years experience. That is the economic reality of Thailand.
If this is the economic reality of Thailand then the guy would have got her for 1500 ST which he did not. Clearly 200 baht was the market at that point and thus the 'economic reality'. No amount of complaining about how spoiled girls are and that farang deserve to have their dicks serviced for a lessor amount can change that.
Since she had a preference for japanese men that are respectful and pay at a certain price point then her inflexibility was sending a signal.
I'm not particularly knowledgable about Thermae but do the Japanese reject girls who go with westerners?
Aha I like to hear it is quite in BKK. I almost got a heartattack when reading about Euro 2012 and it`s influence on less people due to this. Maby if you are anti anti anti sports and never have looked in anything near the sports section in a nespaper or allways switch off the telly when sports are closing in. Then maby just maby you can live your life without knowing there is a big sports event going on in Poland / Ukraine but I would not think so.Well, I like sports (but not soccer, er, I mean European football) and I've never heard of Euro 2012.
Hell I thought it was all about the Eurodollar falling against the baht in 2012. Hahahaha!
Oh, yeah, I'm American. Maybe that explains my ignorance. :)
I'll be watching the US Open this week. Have you heard of it? Much more important than Euro 2012.
I'll be watching the US Open this week. Have you heard of it? Much more important than Euro 2012.Go imagine I also heard of Brickyard 400!
And I ain't a red neck-
If this is the economic reality of Thailand then the guy would have got her for 1500 ST which he did not. Clearly 200 baht was the market at that point and thus the 'economic reality'. No amount of complaining about how spoiled girls are and that farang deserve to have their dicks serviced for a lessor amount can change that.
Since she had a preference for japanese men that are respectful and pay at a certain price point then her inflexibility was sending a signal.
I'm not particularly knowledgable about Thermae but do the Japanese reject girls who go with westerners?Yes, many of them will not go with gals who go with Westerners and there would be a stigma with their friends if they are seen going with Western guys.
They're discounting at the Nana parking lot at 2am from 1500 to 1000 pretty easily so maybe that's more your style.
Seriously, there is a limit before it becomes demeaning and she simply downgrades the service levels to reflect the price you pay. For the sake of 500 baht you may have missed out on some fantastic GFE but its your call.
Maybe it's not the girls who have become spoiled but the mongers who have expectations out of synch with the economic realities of Thailand.Not really. I pull girls from the Thermae. If they want 2000, I politely tell them I don't pay more than 1500, and if they are fine with that, okay, and if they are not, well that is okay too. My experiences have been that the girls who are okay with it end up almost always being non clock watchers, repeats and multiple repeats, and are fun to be with and great in bed. The ones who insist on price, the very few that I have taken, have all been clock watchers and not worth it at all. And no, it has nothing to do with the less attractive ones going for less, it has everything to do with the initial contact one has with them and whether or not there is some sort of connection at least slightly past just "how much."
If you look at the Thai scene, say in the alley behind the old Siam Hotel, in Sutthisan, or elsewhere. 1500ST is the norm, which it has been for probably almost a decade now. The farang scene used to be cheaper than the Thai scene, but now it is passing it, and it has nothing to do with the girls being better looking or more talented or able to speak English. It more likely has everything to do with the number of people who are paying far more than they ought to be.
Ask a mid-upper class Thai monger if he thinks paying 2000+ baht for ST is an economic reality.
Used to monger in Bangkok quite a bit, have not been there in some time. Am trying to locate a wingman (local) whose father owned a nightclub / restaurant with hostesses. You would basically chose your hostesses (like in a MP setting) be served in a private room. They also had a and area where they had a cabaret type show. Don't remember the name or location of the place. I believe it was considered a high class nightclub, but mostly for locals. If such a place rings abell with anyone, would appreciate any info or suggestion.
I was lucky back then, always knew some Thais who would take me around. Had a blast.
Mr Enternational
06-15-12, 22:17
What is the relevance of that? I too would jump for joy if I could make the USD 300 (or whatever) a male prostitute in my home country can make in 20 minutes. Doesn't make me any more interested in dumping my, at least per working hour, lower paying engineering job to adorn some tight-fitting clothes and go stand on the street. Obviously these women are whoring because the working terms, in most cases probably mainly money, are significantly better than the vast majority of other work they could get. Comparing their pay per hour for having a strangers dick inserted into them with the pay per hour of, e.g., somebody putting your groceries in a bag at the supermarket isn't very relevant.I think the relevance is that 1500 baht for 1 or 2 hours of Thailand prostitute work is a fair shake. They knew the job would entail dicks of strangers when they signed on and it is for this they are making the 1500 baht / hour or 2 compared to the grocery bagger's 300 baht / day. He never stated that the lay person should be interested in being a prostitute. He said the prostitute should be satisfied getting 5 times / hour what the lay person makes in a day.
Mr Enternational
06-15-12, 22:21
They're discounting at the Nana parking lot at 2am from 1500 to 1000 pretty easily so maybe that's more your style.
Seriously, there is a limit before it becomes demeaning and she simply downgrades the service levels to reflect the price you pay. For the sake of 500 baht you may have missed out on some fantastic GFE but its your call.
Maybe it's not the girls who have become spoiled but the mongers who have expectations out of synch with the economic realities of Thailand.My cousin got a nice girl from the lot 2 weeks ago for 1000 LT. He had a hard time getting rid of her. When we were leaving the hotel the next morning I ran into another member who I didn't know was in town and he got the girl's info as well.
Tony Hoeprano
06-15-12, 23:32
No stigma attached to dating Westerners at Thermae. I've never had any problems with the girls working at Thermos. Just don't look like the average knucklehead- shower, shave, and dress appropriately. It helps being young and hansum because I bet dollars to donuts if Johnny Depp walked into this place, he would not be turned down by a single soul LOL
NicFrenchy
06-16-12, 00:26
Oh, yeah, I'm American. Maybe that explains my ignorance. :)I could not have said that better. Americans are really ignorant when it comes to non-American Sports.
Actually, it's not fair to say that, because all countries south of the USA are fanatics of Football. Ignorance comes only from the USA side.
I'll be watching the US Open this week. Have you heard of it? Much more important than Euro 2012.I am not sure which is more important, but US Open is pretty vague, they have Tennis, Golf, Surf. I hope for you it's not golf, shit, I'd rather be watching flies fuck than watch a game of golf
NicFrenchy
06-16-12, 00:27
Yes, many of them will not go with gals who go with Westerners and there would be a stigma with their friends if they are seen going with Western guys.Small dick syndrome
Etaoin2003
06-16-12, 00:30
I am not sure which is more important, but US Open is pretty vague.US Open? Small balls syndrome!
Tony Hoeprano
06-16-12, 01:07
These are where he gets his FREE girls! Come on. NIC is just like the rest of us JOHNs. He aint got no game!
I'm exploring Bangkok. Hahahahaha! Went into Spankys last night. Girl qulaity not so good- one very attractive dek serve-left her a tip. Won't be back. Also stuck my head in vegas and billboard- few customers and very few girls- I wonder why?Some of those places have more customers than girls. You would think the customer were going to get up on the stage and dance LOL.
Many long faces in these places and the music sucks. I prefer Baccarra and maybe Tilac along with the Rainbows.
Had to make a fast trip back to the states. I have open return flight to bkk but have to wait till the 23rd for an available flight.
Am on waiting list for earlier flights. Anyone have luck catching an earlier flight while on wait list? I have to pay my electricity bill by the 21st. LOL
I think the relevance is that 1500 baht for 1 or 2 hours of Thailand prostitute work is a fair shake. They knew the job would entail dicks of strangers when they signed on and it is for this they are making the 1500 baht / hour or 2 compared to the grocery bagger's 300 baht / day. He never stated that the lay person should be interested in being a prostitute. He said the prostitute should be satisfied getting 5 times / hour what the lay person makes in a day.Correct. It is a very fair shake. Problem comes in when guys see the need to impress or compete for women. I thought the point of coming here or living here was that you left all that mess behind. Amazes me when I see guys get in altercations or get jealous about a working girl they are doing. She is everyone's gal. As some one on here said,"A quick shower and she is good as new."
Not really. I pull girls from the Thermae. If they want 2000, I politely tell them I don't pay more than 1500, and if they are fine with that, okay, and if they are not, well that is okay too. My experiences have been that the girls who are okay with it end up almost always being non clock watchers, repeats and multiple repeats, and are fun to be with and great in bed. The ones who insist on price, the very few that I have taken, have all been clock watchers and not worth it at all. And no, it has nothing to do with the less attractive ones going for less, it has everything to do with the initial contact one has with them and whether or not there is some sort of connection at least slightly past just "how much."
If you look at the Thai scene, say in the alley behind the old Siam Hotel, in Sutthisan, or elsewhere. 1500ST is the norm, which it has been for probably almost a decade now. The farang scene used to be cheaper than the Thai scene, but now it is passing it, and it has nothing to do with the girls being better looking or more talented or able to speak English. It more likely has everything to do with the number of people who are paying far more than they ought to be.
Ask a mid-upper class Thai monger if he thinks paying 2000+ baht for ST is an economic reality.Oldian, unfortunately you will never be able to convince the "it's my money and I'll do what I want with it crowd" to stick with a fixed price. Asians have a "we'er in this together attitude" and Westerners have this "I'm an individual" attitude. Westerners think,"She's mine," and therein lies the problem.
Well, I like sports (but not soccer, er, I mean European football) and I've never heard of Euro 2012.
Hell I thought it was all about the Eurodollar falling against the baht in 2012. Hahahaha!
Oh, yeah, I'm American. Maybe that explains my ignorance. .
I'll be watching the US Open this week. Have you heard of it? Much more important than Euro 2012.I would think there is far more worldwide audience for the Euro than the US Open. BTW, I am American, have lived here for 12 years and can't really watch American sports anymore and I have always been a huge sports fan. Football (soccer) is amazing. After watching it for a few years you will never be able to go back to the start stop start stop of most American sports and hey, we have the Thai Premier League here and it is fun to go and watch. The Euro is amazingly exciting. Golf; fun to play, but I'm with Nic on watching.
Pointy Stick
06-16-12, 05:13
Not really. I pull girls from the Thermae. If they want 2000, I politely tell them I don't pay more than 1500, and if they are fine with that, okay, and if they are not, well that is okay too. My experiences have been that the girls who are okay with it end up almost always being non clock watchers, repeats and multiple repeats, and are fun to be with and great in bed. The ones who insist on price, the very few that I have taken, have all been clock watchers and not worth it at all. And no, it has nothing to do with the less attractive ones going for less, it has everything to do with the initial contact one has with them and whether or not there is some sort of connection at least slightly past just "how much."
If you look at the Thai scene, say in the alley behind the old Siam Hotel, in Sutthisan, or elsewhere. 1500ST is the norm, which it has been for probably almost a decade now. The farang scene used to be cheaper than the Thai scene, but now it is passing it, and it has nothing to do with the girls being better looking or more talented or able to speak English. It more likely has everything to do with the number of people who are paying far more than they ought to be.
Ask a mid-upper class Thai monger if he thinks paying 2000+ baht for ST is an economic reality.I totally agree with the point on initial contact and that can make or break a session no matter how much you pay. My problem is with mongers who say that just because what they are paying is 5 times the average or whatever then they have the mentality that the girl should be greatful for allowing her to take their dicks. Perhaps the girl in question was simply indicating that she didn't want to go with him in a rather polite way given that over time 500 baht may not be very much to her either if she can pull in 3000 LT a night.
I don't think you can really compare Thai to Farang mongers because their scene is so much bigger and more varied than ours. Just quoting one data point doesn't really prove that Thermae girls should be cheaper in the end.
I could not have said that better. Americans are really ignorant when it comes to non-American Sports.
Actually, it's not fair to say that, because all countries south of the USA are fanatics of Football. Ignorance comes only from the USA side.
I am not sure which is more important, but US Open is pretty vague, they have Tennis, Golf, Surf. I hope for you it's not golf, shit, I'd rather be watching flies fuck than watch a game of golfSince my inquiry of the definition of "Euro 2012" started this line of discussion, I have to admit that I don't follow much team sports on either side of the Atlantic Ocean.
However, one of my hobbies is collecting military firearms. In this area, much of the United States and United Kingdom guns are, more often than not, found in rather beat up and abused condition due to their heavy use in driving Germans out of France, Communist Chinese and North Koreans over the 38th Parallel, Viet Cong and North Vietnamese out of rice paddies, and terrorists and despots out of controlling countries.
On the other side of my hobby, the French military surplus weapons are normally found in pristine condition since they were rarely used and the only dirt they got on them was when they were thrown down in surrender!
Wolvenvacht
06-16-12, 07:11
driving (.) Viet Cong and North Vietnamese out of rice paddiesI definitely seem to remember that the US came second place in the SE Asian War Games.
The best thing that came out of the war, is Soi Cowboy!
FreebieFan
06-16-12, 08:20
Well, I like sports (but not soccer, er, I mean European football) and I've never heard of Euro 2012.
Oh, yeah, I'm American. Maybe that explains my ignorance.
I'll be watching the US Open this week. Have you heard of it? Much more important than Euro 2012.Any country that can proudly, and loudly say they are holding the World Series, then only include one country, their own amongst the particpants. Well it says all you need to know about that countries attitude to sport.
I hope for you it's not golf, shit, I'd rather be watching flies fuck than watch a game of golfYep, it's golf alright; the most sophisticated and difficult sport ever invented to play consistently well; the gentleman's game; the game James Bond played so well; the best thing the Brits ever conceived; the game the French just can't seem to understand, much less master. Their idea of sport is taking a pig into the woods to look for truffles.
Soccer is for the lower class uncouth hooligan's of Europe's underbelly; the one's who riot, overturn cars and set fires to shops when their team loses.
You could probably learn a lot watching flies fuck.
Tony Hoeprano
06-16-12, 09:02
Since my inquiry of the definition of "Euro 2012" started this line of discussion, I have to admit that I don't follow much team sports on either side of the Atlantic Ocean.
However, one of my hobbies is collecting military firearms. In this area, much of the United States and United Kingdom guns are, more often than not, found in rather beat up and abused condition due to their heavy use in driving Germans out of France, Communist Chinese and North Koreans over the 38th Parallel, Viet Cong and North Vietnamese out of rice paddies, and terrorists and despots out of controlling countries.
On the other side of my hobby, the French military surplus weapons are normally found in pristine condition since they were rarely used and the only dirt they got on them was when they were thrown down in surrender!Post of the year LOL
I could not have said that better. Americans are really ignorant when it comes to non-American Sports.I hate to disagree with the ever knowable NotSoNiceFrenchy.
It is not that Americans are really ignorant when it comes to non-American Sports, but instead, many of us ignorant Americans have many professional sports to choose from and watch; unlike in most countries. We can choose baseball, football, soccer, hockey, and basketball, just to name a few. And many like car racing, golf, tennis, and other sports.
Your attack on America is getting quite fucking old, but then again, behind a keyboard, it is easy being a bully. I will be in BKK next month and would love to hear your perspective on life in America while face to face. BTW, I'm buying!
I definitely seem to remember that the US came second place in the SE Asian War Games.
The best thing that came out of the war, is Soi Cowboy!Next time you drop in Ho Chi Minh City, aka Saigon, ask all the officials there if they want to go another round with the US, South Koreans and Australians, again. You will be instantly deported and banned from entering Vietnam for anti-goverment activities and promoting treason.
Vietnam exports a ton of goods and services to their former enemies and fear their old ally, the People's Republic of China, more than their wartime enemies. However, they will probably be willing to take on their old imperialist master, aka France, since beating them doesn't take too much effort in any era.
In fact, the only time I remember the French Government having a successful military operation in modern times was when they blew up and sank the Greenpeace whale watching ship, the Rainbow Warrior, in the Auckland harbor in New Zealand on July 10, 1985. The operation was successfully carried out by the French Secret Service, Direction Géandérale de la Sécurité Extérieure (DGSE) , with two of the agents, emulating the famous Inspector Jacques Clouseau and his sidekick, Maxwell Smart, were caught by the equivalent of the Auckland Neigborhood Watch six days after the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior. And as the story goes, France imported and ate a lot of New Zealand mutton for the next 10 years.
[QUOTE=Pointy Stick; 1293304]They're discounting at the Nana parking lot at 2am from 1500 to 1000 pretty easily so maybe that's more your style.
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Thank god that Groupon has finally come to Thailand. And, finally, selling a worthwhile product!
Not really. I pull girls from the Thermae. If they want 2000, I politely tell them I don't pay more than 1500, and if they are fine with that, okay, and if they are not, well that is okay too. My experiences have been that the girls who are okay with it end up almost always being non clock watchers, repeats and multiple repeats, and are fun to be with and great in bed. The ones who insist on price, the very few that I have taken, have all been clock watchers and not worth it at all. And no, it has nothing to do with the less attractive ones going for less, it has everything to do with the initial contact one has with them and whether or not there is some sort of connection at least slightly past just "how much."
If you look at the Thai scene, say in the alley behind the old Siam Hotel, in Sutthisan, or elsewhere. 1500ST is the norm, which it has been for probably almost a decade now. The farang scene used to be cheaper than the Thai scene, but now it is passing it, and it has nothing to do with the girls being better looking or more talented or able to speak English. It more likely has everything to do with the number of people who are paying far more than they ought to be.
Ask a mid-upper class Thai monger if he thinks paying 2000+ baht for ST is an economic reality.My sources; bi lingual educated thai's, thai fluent expats.
Nana Area; Soi 7 Beer Garden. Should be "Fear Garden" due toe % of nasty acting, looking FL's. Most of the FL there are at same / similar to level of FL's in BKK Chinatown (Yaowarat) that get 500 baht ST room included. Massage on Petchaburi Road includes room, bath, happy happy for 12-1400 ST afternoon special (Angelina) and you get safety knowing it is highly unlikely you will get robbed. Rachada Road (High Class Massage) many cute polite staff to choose.
1900 baht. Way better than Fear Garden. Many more places also.
Fear Garden FL not there cause they like sex. They like money and hope to find a foreigner dumb / ignorant enough to give them 3X or more market value. Then you likely get mediocre service at best from someone that could be an immigrant from "planet of the apes". Actually an insult to the fictional inhabitants of "planet of the apes" since they evolved into a logical intelligent society.
Then if that weren't enough, you may need to listen to one of the many "sympathy story scripts" designed to extract even more money from you. Even if the FL's were all beautiful LOL, Thai males have zero interest in listening to these stories, even if one is occasionally true.
Even if you find a sweet young thing at a disco, odds are against good service and enjoyment as even mainstream women are not particularly good lovers. Then you may encounter the "I hurt" or "Tickles" or "I finish I go" Lord knows why Thailand became so famous for the sex business, it's certainly not based on quality but probably quantity.
Fear Garden FL's would love to see them post a sign "Entry limited to first time in Thailand males"
Wolvenvacht
06-16-12, 13:13
Thank god that Groupon has finally come to Thailand. And, finally, selling a worthwhile product!Group(on) Sex in Thailand. Now that is a good idea!
NicFrenchy
06-16-12, 17:44
Since my inquiry of the definition of "Euro 2012" started this line of discussion, I have to admit that I don't follow much team sports on either side of the Atlantic Ocean.
However, one of my hobbies is collecting military firearms. In this area, much of the United States and United Kingdom guns are, more often than not, found in rather beat up and abused condition due to their heavy use in driving Germans out of France, Communist Chinese and North Koreans over the 38th Parallel, Viet Cong and North Vietnamese out of rice paddies, and terrorists and despots out of controlling countries.
On the other side of my hobby, the French military surplus weapons are normally found in pristine condition since they were rarely used and the only dirt they got on them was when they were thrown down in surrender!What does that have to do with the Original post?
Instead of posting your shit in the forum, how about you contribute something useful?
NicFrenchy
06-16-12, 17:51
Your attack on America is getting quite fucking old, but then again, behind a keyboard, it is easy being a bully. I will be in BKK next month and would love to hear your perspective on life in America while face to face. BTW, I'm buying!Great, come and buy, I'll drink. I'll be glad to discuss America with you. I lived and worked there a couple years and even for a million bucks I would not go back.
Actually, I should not say America, because I also worked in Canada, and I loved it. Great People! Great work atmosphere! I'm waiting for you. Oh, Can I bring my keyboard in the bar?
NicFrenchy
06-16-12, 18:09
We can choose baseball, football, soccer, hockey, and basketball, just to name a few. And many like car racing, golf, tennis, and other sports.Soccer? What's that? Oh, that word americans invented caus they already picked the name FOOTball for the sport they play mostly with their hands. That makes sense.
Just come up with a sport that was invented in America?
Baseball is a derivative of the English Game "Rounders"
Football was played as "Soccer" until the Canadians made it evolve more towards Rugby.
Soccer? There is no such sport. Football originated from England.
Hockey's Canadian.
Basketball's Canadian.
Tennis is French (Jeu de Paumes)
Golf is Scottish.
Racing? I am sure it started on horses somewhere around persia? But not sure.
Any Other sport you pansies are playing? LOL
If you prefer lodging near Nana, check out the Phachara Suites.
If you gravitate toward Soi Cowboy, the Admiral Premier is an option.
Bunky
Soccer? What's that?
Soccer? There is no such sport. Football originated from England.
Any Other sport you pansies are playing? LOLActually the first traces of it go back to a bit later than Middle Age in Tuscany, Italy. But we are not here to discuss sport, are we? So let's go back to topic. What happened to glorious Andy7 and his first time mongering in Thailand? Andy, are you reading us? Where are the reports after so many questions?
Bangkok is very quiet at the moment, bars, restaurants and all others are complaining over very few customers around. They are blaming Euro 2012 and its the rainy season. But trying to ignore the strong baht and the ever rising cost of drinks.
We shall see come August whether things recover and it was just Euro 2012 stopping people travelling.This sounds like a typical low season. IME TGs will give you the story at any time of the year about few customers. When the rains come you get "cannot go to you today. My home rain to much!" IOW I don't want to get my hair wet. Want to eat som tam, smoke yaba and sleep all day.
Euro 2012. The Euro dollar & economy are ruining it for European 2012 mongering in LOS. LOL. Maybe try again in lucky number 13, if the world hasn't ended.
Great time for mongerers at the moment, lots of hungry girls with no customers night after night. Easy to get good prices and good looking girls at the moment. They need their money no matter how pretty they are, or are not.
Supply and demand. Girls are in excess supply and customers are in demand. So bargain well people, its now prime mongering time.IME that will change by July.
As for a bunch of men chasing a round ball, flopping and often purposely diving to the ground when barely touched, with much crying and writhing in great agony, do they not have TV's in LOS? Do fans give up on sex for the tourny? I'm sure most Euros love their "football" 2012 more than playing footsies in bed, especially if it's a lame 3 minutes every time.
Horny Landoora
06-16-12, 19:23
What happened to glorious Andy7 and his first time mongering in Thailand? Andy, are you reading us? Where are the reports after so many questions?He left for Tibet and is now a Monk. Apparently the Monk who sold his Black book!
Traveler1234
06-16-12, 20:47
If you prefer lodging near Nana, check out the Phachara Suites.
If you gravitate toward Soi Cowboy, the Admiral Premier is an option.
BunkyNice suggestions. There's a Bangkok Hotel thread for future reference. Most useful post in the last 48 hours on this thread. Everything else is pure garbage. A bunch of young hansum wasting bandwidth about who's got SPORT?
What does that have to do with the Original post?
Instead of posting your shit in the forum, how about you contribute something useful?Your insulting and condesending remarks regarding the topic I raised was the reason for my response to you. If you kept your remarks and insults to yourself, people would not feel the need to give you push back on your comments.
At least what I post isn't French shit like yours. Frenchys like to whine and moan, eat their cheese and drink their wine, and then expect everyone else in world to kiss their ass. Well, sorry it ain't going to happen. So grow some balls and live with it!
I totally agree with the point on initial contact and that can make or break a session no matter how much you pay. My problem is with mongers who say that just because what they are paying is 5 times the average or whatever then they have the mentality that the girl should be greatful for allowing her to take their dicks. Perhaps the girl in question was simply indicating that she didn't want to go with him in a rather polite way given that over time 500 baht may not be very much to her either if she can pull in 3000 LT a night.
I don't think you can really compare Thai to Farang mongers because their scene is so much bigger and more varied than ours. Just quoting one data point doesn't really prove that Thermae girls should be cheaper in the end.Agreed. It really does amaze me here though at how much guys think that if they pay more they will get a better session. A buddy of mine took a freelancer last week. 20, claimed to be studying, quite pretty. She didn't come on as hardened, in fact didn't even talk about money prior to going home. He said she was nice enough, a bit starfishy, but looked good enough that it didn't matter. When she left, she told him she had uni fees due the next morning, and guess what, they were exactly 2000 baht. He paid her, then tried to contact her again this week, and she blew him off. I ran into her tonight, snapped her up, had an enjoyable time with her, and gave her 1500. She asked for 2000, and I gave her a "get serious" look. She smiled, asked for my number and asked if she could come over next week. And the session was anything but starfishy. Bottom line here is you pay what you pay. What you get back or "quality" or service has absolutely ZERO to do with that, but rather with your interaction and rapport with the girl. My mates and I were discussing tonight about the 10 most expensive girls we have ever had here. And most interestingly enough, we really couldn't remember any of them, nor their service. Mongering in Thailand is most definitely not the case of you get what you pay for.
Great, come and buy, I'll drink. I'll be glad to discuss America with you. I lived and worked there a couple years and even for a million bucks I would not go back.
Actually, I should not say America, because I also worked in Canada, and I loved it. Great People! Great work atmosphere! I'm waiting for you. Oh, Can I bring my keyboard in the bar?Be gentle with Nic. I saw a picture he posted of himself. He is a walking heart attack!
NicFrenchy
06-17-12, 03:04
Your insulting and condesending remarks regarding the topic I raised was the reason for my response to you. If you kept your remarks and insults to yourself, people would not feel the need to give you push back on your comments.Actually, I kinda like that, no one posts about sex here anymore! So got to find some kind of Entertainment I guess.
At least what I post isn't French shit like yours. Frenchys like to whine and moan, eat their cheese and drink their wine, and then expect everyone else in world to kiss their ass. Well, sorry it ain't going to happen. So grow some balls and live with it!Ahhh, that's a well known cliché but I can accept that. Shit, we invented Afternoon sex so give us a little bit of credit.
Now that we're on the subject, what cliche would characterize the USA? (I'm not saying Americans caus I don't include Canada and South America).
Enlighten me?
My sources; bi lingual educated thai's, thai fluent expats.
Nana Area; Soi 7 Beer Garden. Should be "Fear Garden" due toe % of nasty acting, looking FL's. Most of the FL there are at same / similar to level of FL's in BKK Chinatown (Yaowarat) that get 500 baht ST room included. Massage on Petchaburi Road includes room, bath, happy happy for 12-1400 ST afternoon special (Angelina) and you get safety knowing it is highly unlikely you will get robbed. Rachada Road (High Class Massage) many cute polite staff to choose.
1900 baht. Way better than Fear Garden. Many more places also.
Fear Garden FL not there cause they like sex. They like money and hope to find a foreigner dumb / ignorant enough to give them 3X or more market value. Then you likely get mediocre service at best from someone that could be an immigrant from "planet of the apes". Actually an insult to the fictional inhabitants of "planet of the apes" since they evolved into a logical intelligent society.
Then if that weren't enough, you may need to listen to one of the many "sympathy story scripts" designed to extract even more money from you. Even if the FL's were all beautiful LOL, Thai males have zero interest in listening to these stories, even if one is occasionally true.
Even if you find a sweet young thing at a disco, odds are against good service and enjoyment as even mainstream women are not particularly good lovers. Then you may encounter the "I hurt" or "Tickles" or "I finish I go" Lord knows why Thailand became so famous for the sex business, it's certainly not based on quality but probably quantity.
Fear Garden FL's would love to see them post a sign "Entry limited to first time in Thailand males"Very well stated on all fronts. The freelance scene on Sukhumvit is dismal. Although you might find a gem every once in awhile in the BG, they are few and far between. Thermae is really the domain of the Japanese, and so what? Nana lot, well, that is 1k baht wham bam thank you mam for the most part, and gogos are the scene of overpriced beer, sketchy performers, and questionable service.
I agree with you on quality vs quantity. Although I have had some great sessions here, usually with oily girls, for the most part Thai women are not that great in the sack. Yes, some like to "have sex" and are compliant but they are not all that skilled in the art of seduction and are not as "nasty" in the sack as most Western or Latin women I have been with. They are just not the type to go into the bathroom, slip on some sexy lingerie, and come crawling across the floor to you. But, that being said, they are really pleasant to live with and be with. They wake up happy most all the time, and you can't put a price tag on that.
Hung Man 1808
06-17-12, 03:50
Any Other sport you pansies are playing? LOLHide the sausage.
Judging from the banter on here, it's not very popular in Thailand :).
Agreed. It really does amaze me here though at how much guys think that if they pay more they will get a better session.To use an obvious example, some of the brighter lights here might understand, when a working girl requires a tip or 2 times her ST rate for special services, like BBFS, either you pay more to get the "better session" or you simply don't get it. Capiche?
A buddy of mine took a freelancer last week. 20, claimed to be studying, quite pretty. She didn't come on as hardened, in fact didn't even talk about money prior to going home. He said she was nice enough, a bit starfishy, but looked good enough that it didn't matter. When she left, she told him she had uni fees due the next morning, and guess what, they were exactly 2000 baht. He paid her, then tried to contact her again this week, and she blew him off. I ran into her tonight, snapped her up, had an enjoyable time with her, and gave her 1500. She asked for 2000, and I gave her a "get serious" look. She smiled, asked for my number and asked if she could come over next week. And the session was anything but starfishy. Bottom line here is you pay what you pay. What you get back or "quality" or service has absolutely ZERO to do with that, but rather with your interaction and rapport with the girl. My mates and I were discussing tonight about the 10 most expensive girls we have ever had here. And most interestingly enough, we really couldn't remember any of them, nor their service. Mongering in Thailand is most definitely not the case of you get what you pay for.I'd rather pay the extra 17 measely bucks & not have to "interact" or have "rapport with the girl". It's well worth it for the extra few dollars. Just suck my cock & fuck me for 3 hours, get paid & get out. BTW, my phone never stops ringing and recieving PM's from such girls, although I have it on mute 24/7.
But for you Don Juan types, carry on making the girl think you are like a BF, when you only want to save a few pennies. And beware being susceptible to the traps of TG magic, like so many naive Westerners have fallen into. Between me and my regulars there is no such BS. BTW, I doubt you have more charisma than their Thai lovers do. They could take the vast majority of farangs to school.
Irish Mongrel
06-17-12, 05:05
Transited through Bangkok a couple of weeks ago and had a choice to make, stay at a hotel near the airport and be bored, or head to a hotel near Sukhumvit and have some fun. Went for the later choice and had some fun. Stayed in the Grand Majestic on Soi 2, good little hotel, close to the action and easy to get too / from the airport.
Night 1
Had plans to walk round as many bars as possible, having a couple of beers as I go, look for a girl of choice and bar fine at some point. Started in the pool bar just down from Annie's at about 4pm. Few OK looking girls there, and a few more started to arrive whilst I supped on a beer, but nothing of great interest, and most of the girls looked as if they had seen better days. Moved one bar down and generally the same. Decided it was time for food (the edible kind) and went round to the Irish Bar on Soi 4 and sat outside watching the world go by whilst having a few more beers and getting some sustenance into my system. Was a great place to watch the world go by, plenty of eye contact, plenty of approaches and certainly enough lookers walking up and down to the street to keep my interest up. Decided to move on to the bar at the entrance to Nana Plaza. Have sat in here on previous visits, always a good place to watch the talent going into Nana when it's too early to hit the clubs themselves. My plan had been to have a couple of beers then head into the Plaza. This plan disappeared when I started to talk to a couple of the "waitresses". Jai and Fon. Ended up stying in here for a few hours and then going WTF. And bar fined both of them. 600 baht for each. We headed off towards the hotel but decided to stop off at the pool bar I had previously been in. The look on the face of the girls who had seen me earlier was interesting. The old "missed chance". Anyway, after a couple of games of pool it was back to the hotel. No problems getting the girls into the hotel. Didn't even get asked for I'd. By the time we reached back to the hotel I had 4 1/2 hours before I had to head to the airport (had a 7am flight to catch) , so things needed to start happening quickly. I had a quick shower then headed to the bed, the girls headed off to the bathroom then it was a sort of free for all. They mixed up who was giving the BBBJ and who was going DATY. They banged heads charging for the BBBJ. What a problem. Had a couple of hours bouncing around in the bed, as you would do with two girls. Then decided to let one go, hell I needed at least one hours sleep before a dawn surprise and a taxi to the airport. Gave each of the girls 2000 baht. Would classify them as nothing spectacular but where a good laugh. Fon appeared to be the one who enjoyed herself more, certainly didn't need any lubrication!
Night 2
On my return back through, a few days later, I met up with a non-mongering friend for a few beers (he lives in Bangkok). I'd walked past the bar that I'd picked up Jai and Fon from, and they where there, said my hellos, then headed off to meet my mate. After a few beers we headed down towards Nana (he may not monger but he does have fun in the bars). Called back into the bar and the girls weren't there. Not that I was aiming to bar fine them again, but would have had some fun in the bar with them. The other girls in the bar tried to spin some stories that they had to go off and sort out some personal business and would be back, just had to wait around. Laughed that one off, do they really think we're that dumb. They'd been bar fined, why don't they just say that. Anyway, we had one drink then headed into the Plaza. First stop was Spankies. Have had a couple of fun non-mongering nights in here before and there was a few girls that recognized me. There were a few good looking girls, some I would happily have had some fun with, but not a lot. Had a few beers, drank some shots then my friend wanted to move on so we went next door to Angel Witch. The selection of girls in there was a lot better. After we ordered drink we pulled down a couple of girls from the stage. My mate was actually getting close to going home time and he knew I was hanging around, and I thought I'd made my choice for the night, untill she sat down beside me and smiled. Ahhhhhh, braces. She was a gorgeous looking girl, but sorry, I aint letting anybody near my tackle with braces on. So with my mate gone, and staring at braces I decided to drink up and move on. Next stop DC-10, OK, that's a mistake, small narrow bar, low quality girls, one beer, then next bar. Decided to hit Rainbow 4. Sat down, ordered a drink and admired the view. Lot's of good looking girls (in my view) , so decided it was just a matter of choosing one and heading off to the hotel. That decision was made easier when I was approached by a girl that I would classify as a 7 or 8, a few pleasantries and we're heading out the door at about 10pm. Now my biggest problem is I tend not to negotiate what I'm after and this girl ended up being what I would classify as a dud. My fault, so I can't complain. This was a CBJ girl, hell hadn't come across one of those in a long time. Not much to say about the time in bed. Couple of hours of rolling around, not star fish, but close. Not something I would repeat (can remember her face, but not her name). Anyway. 600baht + 2000baht and two hours later, it's midnight, and I'm lying on my bed, thinking it's 5 1/2 hours till I have to be at the airport. Smart brain says sleep, dumb brain says sod it, you're in Bangkok, you can sleep on the plane. So, it's up and at them, quick shower and change and it's off we go. I pretty much had a girl in mind. As mentioned earlier I had been in Spankies a few times (not including the current) , and the last time I was there with my non-mongering mate he pulled the girl with the biggest set of plastic fantastic's in the bar and had proceeded to fondle the hell out of them and her for a couple of hours. We had a drink with her earlier in the evening and I decided I need to have a go at them myselfmyself. So back to Spankies I went and there she was shuffling on the stage. She recognized me and came down and sat beside me. She drinks tequila shots for ladies drink, and had already had a few, so I'm dealing with a drunk girl. This can go one of two ways. Dud or over the top. Anyway, dumb brain engaged I bar fined her and off she went to get changed. She came back in what you could call a dress, with the fun bags just sitting out front. What a sight. Problem 1 arose at that point. She had washed off her make-up and she wasn't the best looking of girls underneath it. Definitely had suffered from an acne problem before. Dumb brain in gear. Let's go anyway. I've paid the bar fine. So off we went to the hotel. By the time we got back to the room I had a giggling girl ripping her clothes off as she walked thru the door. She charged into the bathroom for a quick shower, were I joined in and the fun really started. This girl was up for everything and anything. She drooped down to start a really nice BBBJ in the shower, but with all the beer and a two hour season just completed that was going to take a while, so I pulled her into the bedroom and decided to dine on some nice Thai pussy. This girl really got into that and it wasn't hard to figure out that she was enjoying herself. She was in full flow and grinding my head into her. The next thing she is grabbing my fingers and pushing them into her and then starts to play with her ass. Ah well, time to make up for the dud two hours ago, and to be less than subtle, and hell this is a forum for guys that want to know, by the time I was finished with this girl she could just about take a full hand in either her pussy or her ass and she was soaking the bed. By now I was up and raring to go and we had sex in many positions in both holes finally ripping of my condom and exploding over her back a couple off hours after we had hit the room. By now it was supposedly two hours to taxi time and we where exhausted. Decision made to see how quickly I can get thru BKK airport and decided that I was definitely up for a dawn strike with this one. She curled over beside me, with my hand just about inside her again and she went off to sleep. Two hours later, the alarm goes and it's repeat session. Must admit, was a really good night. The only girl I have had better with is a regular freebie I have in Jakarta who may as well be a porn star actress. So all in all, as far as looks go I would have given this girl a 5 to 6, but service up around the 9 to 10. Easy to pick out in Spankies. Very slim, massive set of silicon tits, and a massive tattoo on her left shoulder of a dragon wrapped around a tiger. Buy her some drinks. It was definitely worth it, and I would definitely go there again. Unfortunately I just don; t make it to Bangkok too often. (cost was the standard 600 + 2000)
On another point, with reference to some comments earlier in the thread, there where 3 "Indian" looking guys sitting in front of me, so if you have problems getting into some of the other bars head to Spankies. They seem to be less discriminatory. Have fun.
Very well stated on all fronts. The freelance scene on Sukhumvit is dismal.Dismal? That may be your best chance of having real sex, albeit higher risk, unless you take precautions. See Safe Sex thread for more details or elaboration.
Although you might find a gem every once in awhile in the BG, they are few and far between.Uh, yeah, this is well known to be one of the worst pickup spots in Thailand. Compare Grace Hotel & Chinatown.
Thermae is really the domain of the Japanese, and so what?Domain? Fuck the Japs! Many girls here are hot, just offer substantially more than them, like 6000 baht, and you are good to go! But other than doing that, which I've never actually tried, I've had as good experiences here as BG, namely few and far between. So just walk up to any girl you love and say "Can I take you short time for 10 thousand baht" & report back here how it went. And thank me later. LOL. If she says ok, then say how about 5000, 3000, etc, and see how low she will go. LOL.
Nana lot, well, that is 1k baht wham bam thank you mam for the most part,Maybe 10% of freelancers there & in the area nearby are worthy of repeats IME & IMO. At times, if you are lucky, you can pick up a stunner for that price, I. E. Young very cute petite uni girl in a school girl uniform.
And gogos are the scene of overpriced beer, sketchy performers, and questionable service.Most opinions I've read on forums agree, including here, in spite of a few recent opinions to the contrary, one which was based on a solitary experience of a well reviewed gogo, with a fresh off the farm very young girl. How dumb was that? Giotto was surely rolling over in his / her grave, er, lodge, in Cambodia, at that review. LOL! BTW I must check him & his girls out some time. In cognito, of course.
I agree with you on quality vs quantity. Although I have had some great sessions here, usually with oily girls, for the most part Thai women are not that great in the sack. Yes, some like to "have sex" and are compliant but they are not all that skilled in the art of seduction and are not as "nasty" in the sack as most Western or Latin women I have been with. They are just not the type to go into the bathroom, slip on some sexy lingerie, and come crawling across the floor to you. But, that being said, they are really pleasant to live with and be with. They wake up happy most all the time, and you can't put a price tag on that.Thai culture is conservative compared to the crazy Latinos. Each has their advantages. Personally I like variety & can find both types & everything I want in Siam.
You ever been to Bangkok?
My sources; bi lingual educated thai's, thai fluent expats.
Nana Area; Soi 7 Beer Garden. Should be "Fear Garden" due toe % of nasty acting, looking FL's. Most of the FL there are at same / similar to level of FL's in BKK Chinatown (Yaowarat) that get 500 baht ST room included. Massage on Petchaburi Road includes room, bath, happy happy for 12-1400 ST afternoon special (Angelina) and you get safety knowing it is highly unlikely you will get robbed. Rachada Road (High Class Massage) many cute polite staff to choose.
1900 baht. Way better than Fear Garden. Many more places also.
Fear Garden FL not there cause they like sex. They like money and hope to find a foreigner dumb / ignorant enough to give them 3X or more market value. Then you likely get mediocre service at best from someone that could be an immigrant from "planet of the apes". Actually an insult to the fictional inhabitants of "planet of the apes" since they evolved into a logical intelligent society.
Then if that weren't enough, you may need to listen to one of the many "sympathy story scripts" designed to extract even more money from you. Even if the FL's were all beautiful LOL, Thai males have zero interest in listening to these stories, even if one is occasionally true.
Even if you find a sweet young thing at a disco, odds are against good service and enjoyment as even mainstream women are not particularly good lovers. Then you may encounter the "I hurt" or "Tickles" or "I finish I go" Lord knows why Thailand became so famous for the sex business, it's certainly not based on quality but probably quantity.
Fear Garden FL's would love to see them post a sign "Entry limited to first time in Thailand males"
Having been in Bangkok for the past 20 years I can assure you this year is even less people. Its not girls telling me, I can actually see it as well.
What do you think about June 2012, as opposed to June 2010/11?
This sounds like a typical low season. IME TGs will give you the story at any time of the year about few customers. When the rains come you get "cannot go to you today. My home rain to much!" IOW I don't want to get my hair wet. Want to eat som tam, smoke yaba and sleep all day.
Euro 2012. The Euro dollar & economy are ruining it for European 2012 mongering in LOS. LOL. Maybe try again in lucky number 13, if the world hasn't ended.
IME that will change by July.
As for a bunch of men chasing a round ball, flopping and often purposely diving to the ground when barely touched, with much crying and writhing in great agony, do they not have TV's in LOS? Do fans give up on sex for the tourny? I'm sure most Euros love their "football" 2012 more than playing footsies in bed, especially if it's a lame 3 minutes every time.
NicFrenchy
06-17-12, 06:32
Hide the sausage.
Judging from the banter on here, it's not very popular in Thailand.Of course it is! Every second ISG member coming to Thailand is coming to hide his sausage.
My sources; bi lingual educated thai's, thai fluent expats.
Nana Area; Soi 7 Beer Garden. Should be "Fear Garden" due toe % of nasty acting, looking FL's. Most of the FL there are at same / similar to level of FL's in BKK Chinatown (Yaowarat) that get 500 baht ST room included. Massage on Petchaburi Road includes room, bath, happy happy for 12-1400 ST afternoon special (Angelina) and you get safety knowing it is highly unlikely you will get robbed. Rachada Road (High Class Massage) many cute polite staff to choose.
1900 baht. Way better than Fear Garden. Many more places also.
Fear Garden FL not there cause they like sex. They like money and hope to find a foreigner dumb / ignorant enough to give them 3X or more market value. Then you likely get mediocre service at best from someone that could be an immigrant from "planet of the apes". Actually an insult to the fictional inhabitants of "planet of the apes" since they evolved into a logical intelligent society.
Then if that weren't enough, you may need to listen to one of the many "sympathy story scripts" designed to extract even more money from you. Even if the FL's were all beautiful LOL, Thai males have zero interest in listening to these stories, even if one is occasionally true.
Even if you find a sweet young thing at a disco, odds are against good service and enjoyment as even mainstream women are not particularly good lovers. Then you may encounter the "I hurt" or "Tickles" or "I finish I go" Lord knows why Thailand became so famous for the sex business, it's certainly not based on quality but probably quantity.
Fear Garden FL's would love to see them post a sign "Entry limited to first time in Thailand males"Well, While I agree with much of this post, I am puzzled. Did you actually go to these places and look for yourself? (You quote your "sources").
I don't agree that "Fear Garten" is for newbies in Thailand. I think most of the patrons are not newbies, but more so bargain hunters and guys that go there regularly. Some one correct me if I got the wrong impression. In years gone by I did use Thermae, but not so recently, and I think looks of girls there are better than Beer Garten. I have been to Beer Gerten a few times, but never actually succumbed. Getting a cheap nasty looking girl doesn't interest me. I have also been to Angelinas and Hi Class. Mostly I didn't take a girl, as same problem, no one with looks to interest me. However I did have one or two nice girls from there. I am always willing to take a look in Hi Class because its conveniently located close to Emmanuelle, Nataree, Colonze 2, and even Copa Cabana is a very short motorcycle ride away.
These days I tend to go regularly to La Belle, Amsterdam, Copa Cabana, with the last one being better value, but the first one having best girl selection. I also use several oilies but try to limit myself to superior looking girls. I doesn't excite me sexually to fuck ugly girls any more. I would only do it as a sympathy service.
Thailand has become famous for sex business for several reasons. From a punter point of view, its the very high probabilty of getting a reasonable GFE session compared to other countries, and a reasonable price. The attitude of girls is often better than westeners. Hookers in my home country are crap. Short session time and very mechanical. Lucky if you would find 1 in 10 to give you a good time. In Thailand, it won't break the bank to take a pretty and hot bodied girl away with you on a several day holiday, for guys with no GF / wife. This used to cost very little 20 years ago, but still possible today. This cannot be afforded in most of our home countries and finding the right girl would be tough.
From the general public point of view, its very unfortunate that we have the ugly Phat Pong shows and they are now creeping into Cowboy as well e. G. Long Gun. In Phuket and Pattaya we have the streets just full of bar girls and ladyboys, and in Sukhumwit there are hundreds of suspect massage parlours. The number of hookers in Bangkok must trully be an astonishing number. I have nothing against hookers myself, but the general public looks down on this sort of thing, being puritanical. Thailand gets more publicity for its P4P sex scene, simply because its better and more popular than most other countries.
Tony Hoeprano
06-17-12, 09:06
The number of hookers in Bangkok must trully be an astonishing number. I have nothing against hookers myself, but the general public looks down on this sort of thing, being puritanical. Thailand gets more publicity for its P4P sex scene, simply because its better and more popular than most other countries.Yes, it is quite amazing the amount of hookers, not only the obvious ones but the part-timers or weekend warriors. (I guess this would be like struggling LA girls going to Vegas and prowling for johns on the strip)
In pursuit of free girls, I met a very cute girl from DAteInAsia and she seemed to be on the level, good girl who bust her ass at a real job. However, she was a bit reserved and didn't reveal much of herself and I noticed not the typical happy go lucky girl you often encounter when chatting with. But I still would have placed a small wager that she wasn't a hooker.
A few weeks later she's on Thaifriendly with some interesting pics and was dressed up "hooker style". I asked her where she was in one of those pics, and she replied,"Spasso's" LOL
Now that we're on the subject, what cliche would characterize the USA? (I'm not saying Americans caus I don't include Canada and South America).
Enlighten me?"Ugly American" comes to mind.
Sometimes it fits; sometimes not. Clearly, when it comes to American politicians, it fits.
Americans are catching up to the French in that regard, but still have a long way to go.
(And I don't think any Canadian would appreciate being called an American; though admittedly from North America, I've never heard of one who refered to himself that way; nor have I ever heard of a South American refer to himself as an American, perhaps because they desire their own identity when it comes to nationality.)
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A few weeks later she's on Thaifriendly with some interesting pics and was dressed up "hooker style". I asked her where she was in one of those pics, and she replied,"Spasso's" LOLThere may be very little difference in behaviour of "normal" girls and hookers, if they are of the part time variety and not in a very bad influencing environment like the bar. The main difference is purely whether they are looking for a guy just for the sex, or for something else, and whether they will accept money from the guy or not. There are border-line girls too who maybe would fuck for free but on the other hand may accept money too. Then there is another category of girl who is expecting money, but is still very picky about which guy she wants. She might be looking for a good time and some pocket money thrown in. I have the greatest respect for this last category, within the scope of P4P. Others are looking for a husband, but fucking the prospects and taking money to pay the bills till they get a husband hooked. I prefer the ones not looking for a husband.
If a girl really likes sex with Farangs, and has a poorly paid job, and not enough sex, why not become at least a part time freelancer and pick up guys, and some pocket money? Only problem with this plan really is the stigma of being labelled a "hooker". Its only the girls who don't mind fucking anyone at all, that I tend to respect less. E. G. An oily girl complains that she doesn't like a fair percentage of her agressive psycho customers, even regulars, but still works there because she is busy and the money is too good to pass up. Too many family members to support on her own.
I am not sure if your average "normal" Thai girl would really go on these dating web sites. It takes a certain personality to do so, which is probably not your average shy and demure Thai girl. Perhaps there would be strong disagreement of this statement, but I certainly know Thai girls who would not do this. Far too prim and proper.
Maybe just off thr topic.
Happy Father's Day. May all your children running around in Thailand give you their respect. At least I hope so, if they know who you are. :)
Mr Enternational
06-17-12, 20:20
I am not sure if your average "normal" Thai girl would really go on these dating web sites. It takes a certain personality to do so, which is probably not your average shy and demure Thai girl. Perhaps there would be strong disagreement of this statement, but I certainly know Thai girls who would not do this. Far too prim and proper.I strongly disagree with that as you expected some would do. I have run into many normal / traditional women from dating sites. Even in the Americas meeting someone online still carries a stigma, but this IS 2012 and for people who are comfortable with technology in addition to wanting to find a mate will put some of the prim and proper "traditional" shit to the wind and go for it. One of the first women I ever met on TLL was a bartender on the artist soi. I went to see her at her job and when she got off work she came and spent the night with me at the Nana. She was very shy though. She didn't allow any funny business. She even slept fully clothed. You think this girl works around this stuff everyday so surely...; but that was not the case. In addition one of my "gf" who I met on another website last year just said this to me the other day when I told her I wanted to go to her room instead of her always coming to mine,"If everybody see you at my room it's not good for me. It's not good for me because I'm a thai teacher and I'm a lady."
Transited through Bangkok a couple of weeks ago and had a choice to make, stay at a hotel near the airport and be bored, or head to a hotel near Sukhumvit and have some fun. Went for the later choice and had some fun. Stayed in the Grand Majestic on Soi 2, good little hotel, close to the action and easy to get too / from the airport.
Night 1
Had plans to walk round as many bars as possible, having a couple of beers as I go, look for a girl of choice and bar fine at some point. Started in the pool bar just down from Annie's at about 4pm. Few OK looking girls there, and a few more started to arrive whilst I supped on a beer, but nothing of great interest, and most of the girls looked as if they had seen better days. Moved one bar down and generally the same. Decided it was time for food (the edible kind) and went round to the Irish Bar on Soi 4 and sat outside watching the world go by whilst having a few more beers and getting some sustenance into my system. Was a great place to watch the world go by, plenty of eye contact, plenty of approaches and certainly enough lookers walking up and down to the street to keep my interest up. Decided to move on to the bar at the entrance to Nana Plaza. Have sat in here on previous visits, always a good place to watch the talent going into Nana when it's too early to hit the clubs themselves. My plan had been to have a couple of beers then head into the Plaza. This plan disappeared when I started to talk to a couple of the "waitresses". Jai and Fon. Ended up stying in here for a few hours and then going WTF. And bar fined both of them. 600 baht for each. We headed off towards the hotel but decided to stop off at the pool bar I had previously been in. The look on the face of the girls who had seen me earlier was interesting. The old "missed chance". Anyway, after a couple of games of pool it was back to the hotel. No problems getting the girls into the hotel. Didn't even get asked for I'd. By the time we reached back to the hotel I had 4 1/2 hours before I had to head to the airport (had a 7am flight to catch) , so things needed to start happening quickly. I had a quick shower then headed to the bed, the girls headed off to the bathroom then it was a sort of free for all. They mixed up who was giving the BBBJ and who was going DATY. They banged heads charging for the BBBJ. What a problem. Had a couple of hours bouncing around in the bed, as you would do with two girls. Then decided to let one go, hell I needed at least one hours sleep before a dawn surprise and a taxi to the airport. Gave each of the girls 2000 baht. Would classify them as nothing spectacular but where a good laugh. Fon appeared to be the one who enjoyed herself more, certainly didn't need any lubrication!
Night 2
On my return back through, a few days later, I met up with a non-mongering friend for a few beers (he lives in Bangkok). I'd walked past the bar that I'd picked up Jai and Fon from, and they where there, said my hellos, then headed off to meet my mate. After a few beers we headed down towards Nana (he may not monger but he does have fun in the bars). Called back into the bar and the girls weren't there. Not that I was aiming to bar fine them again, but would have had some fun in the bar with them. The other girls in the bar tried to spin some stories that they had to go off and sort out some personal business and would be back, just had to wait around. Laughed that one off, do they really think we're that dumb. They'd been bar fined, why don't they just say that. Anyway, we had one drink then headed into the Plaza. First stop was Spankies. Have had a couple of fun non-mongering nights in here before and there was a few girls that recognized me. There were a few good looking girls, some I would happily have had some fun with, but not a lot. Had a few beers, drank some shots then my friend wanted to move on so we went next door to Angel Witch. The selection of girls in there was a lot better. After we ordered drink we pulled down a couple of girls from the stage. My mate was actually getting close to going home time and he knew I was hanging around, and I thought I'd made my choice for the night, untill she sat down beside me and smiled. Ahhhhhh, braces. She was a gorgeous looking girl, but sorry, I aint letting anybody near my tackle with braces on. So with my mate gone, and staring at braces I decided to drink up and move on. Next stop DC-10, OK, that's a mistake, small narrow bar, low quality girls, one beer, then next bar. Decided to hit Rainbow 4. Sat down, ordered a drink and admired the view. Lot's of good looking girls (in my view) , so decided it was just a matter of choosing one and heading off to the hotel. That decision was made easier when I was approached by a girl that I would classify as a 7 or 8, a few pleasantries and we're heading out the door at about 10pm. Now my biggest problem is I tend not to negotiate what I'm after and this girl ended up being what I would classify as a dud. My fault, so I can't complain. This was a CBJ girl, hell hadn't come across one of those in a long time. Not much to say about the time in bed. Couple of hours of rolling around, not star fish, but close. Not something I would repeat (can remember her face, but not her name). Anyway. 600baht + 2000baht and two hours later, it's midnight, and I'm lying on my bed, thinking it's 5 1/2 hours till I have to be at the airport. Smart brain says sleep, dumb brain says sod it, you're in Bangkok, you can sleep on the plane. So, it's up and at them, quick shower and change and it's off we go. I pretty much had a girl in mind. As mentioned earlier I had been in Spankies a few times (not including the current) , and the last time I was there with my non-mongering mate he pulled the girl with the biggest set of plastic fantastic's in the bar and had proceeded to fondle the hell out of them and her for a couple of hours. We had a drink with her earlier in the evening and I decided I need to have a go at them myselfmyself. So back to Spankies I went and there she was shuffling on the stage. She recognized me and came down and sat beside me. She drinks tequila shots for ladies drink, and had already had a few, so I'm dealing with a drunk girl. This can go one of two ways. Dud or over the top. Anyway, dumb brain engaged I bar fined her and off she went to get changed. She came back in what you could call a dress, with the fun bags just sitting out front. What a sight. Problem 1 arose at that point. She had washed off her make-up and she wasn't the best looking of girls underneath it. Definitely had suffered from an acne problem before. Dumb brain in gear. Let's go anyway. I've paid the bar fine. So off we went to the hotel. By the time we got back to the room I had a giggling girl ripping her clothes off as she walked thru the door. She charged into the bathroom for a quick shower, were I joined in and the fun really started. This girl was up for everything and anything. She drooped down to start a really nice BBBJ in the shower, but with all the beer and a two hour season just completed that was going to take a while, so I pulled her into the bedroom and decided to dine on some nice Thai pussy. This girl really got into that and it wasn't hard to figure out that she was enjoying herself. She was in full flow and grinding my head into her. The next thing she is grabbing my fingers and pushing them into her and then starts to play with her ass. Ah well, time to make up for the dud two hours ago, and to be less than subtle, and hell this is a forum for guys that want to know, by the time I was finished with this girl she could just about take a full hand in either her pussy or her ass and she was soaking the bed. By now I was up and raring to go and we had sex in many positions in both holes finally ripping of my condom and exploding over her back a couple off hours after we had hit the room. By now it was supposedly two hours to taxi time and we where exhausted. Decision made to see how quickly I can get thru BKK airport and decided that I was definitely up for a dawn strike with this one. She curled over beside me, with my hand just about inside her again and she went off to sleep. Two hours later, the alarm goes and it's repeat session. Must admit, was a really good night. The only girl I have had better with is a regular freebie I have in Jakarta who may as well be a porn star actress. So all in all, as far as looks go I would have given this girl a 5 to 6, but service up around the 9 to 10. Easy to pick out in Spankies. Very slim, massive set of silicon tits, and a massive tattoo on her left shoulder of a dragon wrapped around a tiger. Buy her some drinks. It was definitely worth it, and I would definitely go there again. Unfortunately I just don; t make it to Bangkok too often. (cost was the standard 600 + 2000)
On another point, with reference to some comments earlier in the thread, there where 3 "Indian" looking guys sitting in front of me, so if you have problems getting into some of the other bars head to Spankies. They seem to be less discriminatory. Have fun.I'd like to nominate this post as a Report of Distinction. Great great full report!
Great great full report!Anyway, no need to quote the hole review
Tony Hoeprano
06-18-12, 01:52
Anyway, no need to quote the hole reviewYes its quite cumbersome on a tablet or mobile.
and fwiw regarding differentiating good girls from "bad" girls is to ask for her FB information and if there are many pics of her work, family, kids, and other wholesome pics, usually she's not a p4p type. if she has mostly webcam and party pics with few pics of her family, watch out! but then again, I usually don't care because i'm often only after sex, not a relationship, but i still like to know their motivations and prefer to have free sex with internet girls.
i would agree though, the typical thai girl isn't going to meet farang on the internet but everyone is different and you can't generalize too much. A few weeks ago i met a hot girl at Emporium, had some pizza with her, she was 30, nice tits, , but looked not a day over 21 and still had a schoolgirl voice. She came from money i could tell, had nice diamond rings, expensive haircut, and drove a Camry which is 40K USD in Thai.. she said her ex-bf was broke english teacher, to the point where she would always pay for everything, but then again its only her side of the story lol.. She said she prefers farang guys, so who knows some girls no matter what are wired differently. and guys who say that all Thai girls want money and are cut throat must surely be jaded or only try to have GF with bar girls or freelancers...
compared to Western chicks, it seems Thai girls go through their rebellion phase later in life,compared to the USA where in High School, many of the white girls banged the star running back or basketball player(usually a black guy) and then that same girl 10-15 years later on FB, she's married to a nerd accountant and has a stable soccer mom type of life..
Dismal? That may be your best chance of having real sex, albeit higher risk, unless you take precautions. See Safe Sex thread for more details or elaboration.Actually I find the best sex to be in the oilies, no contest.
Domain? Fuck the Japs! Many girls here are hot, just offer substantially more than them, like 6000 baht, and you are good to go! But other than doing that, which I've never actually tried, I've had as good experiences here as BG, namely few and far between. So just walk up to any girl you love and say "Can I take you short time for 10 thousand baht" & report back here how it went. And thank me later. LOL. If she says ok, then say how about 5000, 3000, etc, and see how low she will go. LOL.
Maybe 10% of freelancers there & in the area nearby are worthy of repeats IME & IMO. At times, if you are lucky, you can pick up a stunner for that price, I. E. Young very cute petite uni girl in a school girl uniform.If I was single, I would probably be willing to put a bit more effort into things and effort it does require to get good performance out of these girls. Go to an ST Hotel and you are likely to get rushed service from most of the Tmae girls and I think 2k is a bit much for rushed service. For 1 hundred baht more I get 90 min at an oily, never rushed and pop as many times as I can.
Again, if I am in the mood for a quickie, then the Lot is not so bad. However, I have ended the last two sessions with Lot girls quite quickly because I heard,"Mai ow" too much.
Guess I expect a gal to perform like a porn star out of the gate, be experienced in seduction, and have a well developed skill set in the sack. I want nasty, wet, intense sex from the moment I hit the room. That is what I am paying for. I don't want to instruct and I don't want sweetness, romance, or inexperience.
NicFrenchy
06-18-12, 08:11
Actually I find the best sex to be in the oilies, no contest.All things considered, I actually agree with that
Anyway, no need to quote the hole reviewNot only! Rather than nominating it, it is better to link it or post it at the Report of Distinction. :-)
Domain? Fuck the Japs! Many girls here are hot, just offer substantially more than them, like 6000 baht, and you are good to go! But other than doing that, which I've never actually tried, I've had as good experiences here as BG, namely few and far between. So just walk up to any girl you love and say "Can I take you short time for 10 thousand baht" & report back here how it went. And thank me later. LOL. If she says ok, then say how about 5000, 3000, etc, and see how low she will go. LOL.Unfortunately it isn't quite that simple. I watched a farang try precisely this a week ago, and while the girl smiled and tried to be as polite as possible, she blew him off, just because she doesn't go with white guys. I used to live in Japan and speak fairly passable Japanese. One night I approached a girl in the Thermae and joked around with her in Japanese. She told me she wouldn't go with farangs because they were too big. Another girl told me the same, although with a bit of persistence in both Japanese and Thai, she ended up going with me, claiming I was her first white guy (and she seemed to become a farang lover after that!). Whatever the reason, there are certain girls in there that just won't go, irregardless of money. Then again, there is the girl who hangs out up near the bar every night who thinks she is Queen of the world (she speaks fluent Japanese and rumor has it that she used to rent a room by the month in the Ruamchit upstairs back in her heyday) and I know a farang who went up to her and asked her if she would go with farangs and she glared at him and said,"yeah, for 5000 baht."
What would really be funny would be to walk around the track in the Thermae wearing a Japanese mask and holding up a wad of cash.
All things considered, I actually agree with thatApart from Mango, Tulip etc. PSE places, I don't agree. I have been having some really great times with bar girls lately, carefully selected, they can be really into it, and sometimes nice all-nighter including morning sessions. Too many MP girls like a fuck for a limited duration, and are getting too much sex on a daily basis to really go wild.
I am not referring of course to some Rainbow 4 and Baccarat girls who are trying to get in as many STs in a night as possible. I am talking about girls with one customer per night, and sometimes less. Even caught a couple of bar-girls after they returned from long working breaks, which meant they were rather horny. Bar girls can miss the sex if they have been deprived for a while. Same for MP Girls, with not too many customers.
Apart from Mango, Tulip etc. PSE places, I don't agree. I have been having some really great times with bar girls lately, carefully selected, they can be really into it, and sometimes nice all-nighter including morning sessions. Too many MP girls like a fuck for a limited duration, and are getting too much sex on a daily basis to really go wild.
I am not referring of course to some Rainbow 4 and Baccarat girls who are trying to get in as many STs in a night as possible. I am talking about girls with one customer per night, and sometimes less. Even caught a couple of bar-girls after they returned from long working breaks, which meant they were rather horny. Bar girls can miss the sex if they have been deprived for a while. Same for MP Girls, with not too many customers.It is not the question if a girl gets sex on a daily basis to make her good in bed. Some girls are naturally horny all the time otherwise called as nymphomaniacs. If you happen to barfine her or take her you are lucky.
There are others who are comfortable getting sex once a month or later. Some others forgot about sex altogether because of issues. It is not true that you meet any woman and she will like sex.
On our mongering trips we want to cram as many sexual contact as much as possible. At the same time if you will with a girl you maybe just happy having once a day or less frequently.
When I barfine I always ask the girl when she had sex last. Some are honest but not all. If the girl did not have sex a long time it is likely she wants sex many times.
In spite of the girls being available for sex for money there are girls who rarely get barfined. It has everything to do with the looks and body. Everybody want a beatifull girl in bed. As a monger I believe if you lower your standards little your sexual experience will be more GFE and better.
Sometimes I do barfine girls who are not good looking. They really appreciate to be with you.
Wolvenvacht
06-18-12, 18:15
What would really be funny would be to walk around the track in the Thermae wearing a Japanese mask and holding up a wad of cash.And hang a small dick out of your pants. That will surely attract them! :)
From Oldian: Another girl told me the same, although with a bit of persistence in both Japanese and Thai, she ended up going with me, claiming I was her first white guy (and she seemed to become a farang lover after that!
Thanks for taking one for the team!
I know I'm going to get flamed and RTFF'ed, but I wonder if anyone knows the current barfine and LT rates for dancers at The Dollhouse on Soi Cowboy. Seems like the LT rates seem to be about 2000 to 3000 baht (for the priciest joints).
Planning a mission Wednesday night, probably Thursday, with a girl I barfined, sheesh two years ago. Mentioned in postings previously what another esteemed ISGer termed "reunion sex" (I had helped her out by sending US $200 during the floods. Am not expecting "repayment" other than in, hopefully, more intimate sex.
In an email to her I inquired about the barfine, which she said is 600 baht at the club. No mention of LT price, so any serious suggestion of what would be reasonable (I am not looking, or expecting a freebie; the girl needs to make her money). I harbor no intentions of a relationship with a WG and will move on to Patts for a week of diving, of both sorts, and bliss.)
Thanks guys
Wolvenvacht
06-19-12, 06:51
I wonder if anyone knows the current barfine and LT rates for dancers at The Dollhouse on Soi Cowboy. Seems like the LT rates seem to be about 2000 to 3000 baht (for the priciest joints).I never barfined one from the Dollhouse, but I guess all agogo's in Soi Cowboy will be more or less the same price level and from my own experience, it seems the LT price varies a lot even between ladies in the same agogo: from Suzie Wong I had dancers go with me for as "cheap" as 1000 baht LT and as "expensive" as 3000 LT. No objective reason why one charged triple of the other.
So I think 2000 baht for LT is a nice average.
1000 LT? In Cowboy? What, in 1995?
Even 2000 is hard to get, as far as I can tell.
Planning a mission Wednesday night, probably Thursday, with a girl I barfined, sheesh two years ago. Mentioned in postings previously what another esteemed ISGer termed "reunion sex" (I had helped her out by sending US $200 during the floods. Am not expecting "repayment" other than in, hopefully, more intimate sex.
In an email to her I inquired about the barfine, which she said is 600 baht at the bar. (I am not looking, or expecting a freebie; the girl needs to make her money).You might not expect a freebie but it might be good if she gives it.
1000 LT? In Cowboy? What, in 1995? Even 2000 is hard to get, as far as I can tell.I think 3000 would be an achievement. All gogo have a sort of "union prices", or cartel. They are also owned by the same company. One might get some discount with a repeat but I wouldn't voucher that much.
Der Tourist
06-19-12, 08:23
1000 LT? In Cowboy? What, in 1995?
Even 2000 is hard to get, as far as I can tell.Depends what girl maybe? I'm sure there are cheaper girls for those who want them and have taste different than most. It has been a stable price of 4000 (well, sometimes maybe 3000) for a LT and 2000 ST for me in the popular bars like Rainbow 1-4 in Nana or Baccara in Cowboy. Sometimes they wold say "up to you" but I just give them the standard rate (which is typically ST so 2000). It much depends on the girl too. Some would only show up there when willing and not even care much about their work at go-go bars and instead try to get in touch ith their customers after (or before) their working hours for a different kind of encounter.
What I'm surprised (and happy, of course) about is that this hasn't change since at least 2006 (when I first got to try go-gos). I hop it will stay that way.
Joe Looking
06-19-12, 10:51
1000 LT? In Cowboy? What, in 1995?
Even 2000 is hard to get, as far as I can tell.Keep in mind that even though some of the girls act like their is a set price list there are tons of variables. In my experience with all types of sex workers a lot comes down to what they feel they can get from you, if they have other options and how firm you are willing to stand on your first figure.
Also keep in mind that there are different types of working girls. The ones who want money are a bit harder to negotiate with than the ones who need the money. A woman who has a sponsor (or even regulars) has less reason to give you a non-tourist price than the woman who has rent due or a genuinely sick relative.
Trust me if you act like a decent human being and can exercise a bit of patience, you can generally get the price you want.
Tony Hoeprano
06-19-12, 12:10
Trust me if you act like a decent human being and can exercise a bit of patience, you can generally get the price you want.So for hot girls in the popular gogos (bacarra, the rainbows) you're saying you can get 2K LT? I bet that they won't go below 3K. I might give it a shot though, since I'm such a nice guy, wear clean underwear, and shower twice a day.
NicFrenchy
06-19-12, 12:46
So for hot girls in the popular gogos (bacarra, the rainbows) you're saying you can get 2K LT? I bet that they won't go below 3K. I might give it a shot though, since I'm such a nice guy, wear clean underwear, and shower twice a day.Actually, it is possible to get 2k in these gogos, but you have to be a very regular customer, then maybe with the "Rapport" established, the girl could go for 2k.
I never ask for prices, usually go with the flow. If she leaves after the 1st Shot then she gets 1k (+ the barfine) but if she stays LT then it's 3k. Never had an issue.
The girl I paid 1k ST wasn't very happy, but I told her that we agreed LT so if she stay all night she will get 3k but if she leaves now she gets 1k.
She took the 1k (probably had another guy waiting with 3k in hand too).
Der Tourist
06-19-12, 13:50
Keep in mind that even though some of the girls act like their is a set price list there are tons of variables. In my experience with all types of sex workers a lot comes down to what they feel they can get from you, if they have other options and how firm you are willing to stand on your first figure.
Also keep in mind that there are different types of working girls. The ones who want money are a bit harder to negotiate with than the ones who need the money. A woman who has a sponsor (or even regulars) has less reason to give you a non-tourist price than the woman who has rent due or a genuinely sick relative.
Trust me if you act like a decent human being and can exercise a bit of patience, you can generally get the price you want.
There is truth in here. It also depends on whether the girl is usually in high demand. I was looking at that slim, tall and super-cute girl in Rainbow 1 in Nana. It was 20.30 (early) and she got barfined by a Jap guy nimutes later. The mamasan said she gets paid 10000THB (ten thousand). Day after I was there at the same time (after 20.00 hours). She again (along with another similar hottie) got barfined before the action got to build up. Again by a Jap who took TWO girls. In my personal oood luck lol. They probably won't even talk to you unless you're a Japanese or politely offer them 10K Baht to begin with.
I asked the mamasan how much they get and she again said ten thousand. Just didn't understand if that's LT or ST or was it just a way to say that she doesn't go with farangs. Anyway, they got barfined in MINUTES by the Japanese customers. I reaaaaaaly doubt anyone could find it easy to negotiate about anything with such girls, not to mention that they seemed complete starfish and probably would not go with anyone except Japanese (maybe also Koreans and Chinese?).
The girls I typically get are also targeted by the Japanese: true Asian slim, petite built, cute / pretty face and the younger the better. I do get girls like that without too many problems in most cases (I'm still quite young, dress well and act polite along with not trying to be tight or at least look so) but I know if I hesitate too long she will be taken by someone else (most probably a Japanese or some young white guy). It did happen a fe times in the past. And those girls ARE taken EVERY night. It's just that sometimes they don't show up at work and choose by themselves when to come or even with whom to go. They are not desperate. Therefore I am not in a position to negotiate and they know it because if I won't pay her 2000ST / 4000LT someone else will two minutes later.
Der Tourist
06-19-12, 14:00
Actually, it is possible to get 2k in these gogos, but you have to be a very regular customer, then maybe with the "Rapport" established, the girl could go for 2k.
I never ask for prices, usually go with the flow. If she leaves after the 1st Shot then she gets 1k (+ the barfine) but if she stays LT then it's 3k. Never had an issue.
The girl I paid 1k ST wasn't very happy, but I told her that we agreed LT so if she stay all night she will get 3k but if she leaves now she gets 1k.
She took the 1k (probably had another guy waiting with 3k in hand too).If you're nice, polite and she likes you you can even go as low as 0 for ST and LT after a couple of days. Just pay the barfine. Therefore "negotiating" to 3K for LT after being a "regular" customer isn't really much of an achievement I should say.
Actually, it is possible to get 2k in these gogos, but you have to be a very regular customer, then maybe with the "Rapport" established, the girl could go for 2k.
I never ask for prices, usually go with the flow. If she leaves after the 1st Shot then she gets 1k (+ the barfine) but if she stays LT then it's 3k. Never had an issue.
The girl I paid 1k ST wasn't very happy, but I told her that we agreed LT so if she stay all night she will get 3k but if she leaves now she gets 1k.
She took the 1k (probably had another guy waiting with 3k in hand too).Bravo Nic! 1 shot 1k. I like that stance.
Crazy4Thai
06-19-12, 15:57
And hang a small dick out of your pants. That will surely attract them! :)They say 2 out of 3 is not bad. Where do I get the mask?
Last November a friend who is oriental was wondering around Nana. He was being quoted 4000 be for LT. This was in the Rainbow 4 bar. That is totally crazy. I have not ventured in to a rainbow bar since as one time the door guy acted like an ass so I told him to put it where the sun doesn't shine. Have no interest in going back. Actually I don't care for Nana itself. To many other places to do my shopping.
I think Nic is correct. Get to be a regular and the picture will change for you. 3000 baht is a good LT price, very fair and all. Still, it is on the high end and must be earned. 1500 to 2000 is also fair for ST. Again negotiate, see what happens.
3000 LT is of course fair. That's what I pay too, and it's not hard to get it. That's not the same as the 2000 or 1000 for LT that was mentioned. If someone gets that often, do report.
I just had a great time with another Nana gogo girl. Great performance and she offered a massage afterwards. That lasted for 20 minutes. So much for gogo girls being bad.
Damage: 1500 ST + 250 tip.
The fun with ladies in central Bangkok has waned over last 10 years and if you remember how unsophisticated the women were there then.
Well now the ones in the flesh trade over there are about as unsophisticated as your can get and now its alot harder to find the grey area girl next door hanging out in the zone.
Many regular girls dont want to venture over there because of police sweeps and the dodgyness of the area.
If you like ladyboys you'll be happy The area offers more feminine chicks with penis than anywhere else.
If your old school and been banging some old long term chicks your in good standing unless any of them have dropped off the map.
Alot more undersirables are hanging around in central red light area now.
And so many Japanese and a cross section of Jap only girls making that situation frustrating and prices up in places like Therme.
None the less for whatever reason there have been customers than have facilitated bringing the price for nookie up as much as 100%.
In some respects Bangkok is a nicer city now with more malls and increased rapid transit access.
Even expanded skywalks along BTS. If they can connect the skywalks thru out the place will be much better. I have even seen a new subway tunnel connection to new mall.
Younger guys will do pretty good hooking up on websites or normal venues because girls are less interested in age gap then ever before.
For the most part other than professional service oriented relationships I would suggest your don't bother trying to find a soul mate in the red light district.
For any Xpats living in the region the sence of Xenaphobia is as much or more than ever. The bright light of business ideas you may have going off in your head resemble to the locals something more like a target. Random police searches of foreigners are prevalent and give the message that your not welcome in Thailand.
Maybe I should rethink my position. PM the bars name and I will take a look in November. You did great work at 1500 + tip.
Wolvenvacht
06-19-12, 20:15
1000 LT? In Cowboy? What, in 1995?
Even 2000 is hard to get, as far as I can tell.Let me check my records again.
Yep, on 14/6/2011, no. 63,"Kob" from Suzie Wong. A ladydrink + 600 baht BF + 1000 baht LT + 200 baht tip since she was really a good performer. She allowed the usual 3 pops: 2 before going to sleep and one in the morning. I noted: "good sucker; doggy, reverse cowgirl and cowgirl".
Tony Hoeprano
06-19-12, 20:57
And so many Japanese and a cross section of Jap only girls making that situation frustrating and prices up in places like Therme.
.All this Japan bashing is getting old. Haha. But for all you guys who want an edge, just go buy some Gatsby hair wax and fix yourself up like a hansum Japanese guy.
Tutorial here:
http://youtu.be/Usyy2wIb3q8
So for hot girls in the popular gogos (bacarra, the rainbows) you're saying you can get 2K LT? I bet that they won't go below 3K. I might give it a shot though, since I'm such a nice guy, wear clean underwear, and shower twice a day.If you tell her that you have dirty underwear and she's the right girl, she will go for 1.5.
Wolvenvacht
06-19-12, 22:08
fix yourself up like a hansum Japanese guy.Now all you need is some big eyed purple haired buxom hentai girl in a skimpy school uniform!
Where do these goofballs get their prices from=mr ententional?
Black and anorexic? Old with 5 kids?Racist. Epic fail.
Wolvenvacht
06-20-12, 06:48
Where do these goofballs get their prices from=mr ententional?
Isn't 1500-2ooo more appro. For short time.
Do you guys go for girls with no tits? Black and anorexic? Old with 5 kids? Or just the bottom of the barrel types?No, it was a young, small, slim and hard-bodied dancer from Suzie Wong. If ever you have been to Suzie Wong, which I doubt very much, you know that even their "bottom-of-the-barrel" types are way above what you will ever find in your bed, even if you pay jap-rates.
Last November a friend who is oriental was wondering around Nana. He was being quoted 4000 be for LT. This was in the Rainbow 4 bar. That is totally crazy. I have not ventured in to a rainbow bar since as one time the door guy acted like an ass so I told him to put it where the sun doesn't shine. Have no interest in going back. Actually I don't care for Nana itself. To many other places to do my shopping.
I think Nic is correct. Get to be a regular and the picture will change for you. 3000 baht is a good LT price, very fair and all. Still, it is on the high end and must be earned. 1500 to 2000 is also fair for ST. Again negotiate, see what happens.I paid 2500B LT in Feb last year at Nana for a girl from DC10. I cannot recall her name for the life of me, but she was a very petite little thing. She wasn't exactly what you'd describe as hot, actually very plain, but more than made up for that in the sack. She was my first bargirl and bar fine. She won't be the last.
I really had no idea what I was doing though, I probably spent far too long [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)-farting around, and I ended up buying quite a few drinks before barfining her. At the end though, she was MORE than happy with 2500 (maybe could've pushed for 2000).
In future, I think I'll just go ST. I'm not one for sex early in the morning, and being a greedy bugger, I prefer to roll around in a bed by myself when I'm asleep.
BKK in September! Viva!
Sir der you are smart boy. Hot chciks don't negotiate.
They don't need to!
Now cold chicks-negotiate away-I bet you get the anus for extra roi baht. LOL.Yes they do, especially if you treat them right and get them on the right night or in the right moment. Not worth arguing over, you keep paying 3-4000, we will keep paying 1-2000. At 15 times out a month, that amount in extra baht goes an incredibly long way. It astounds me that guys are that naive that they think they actually get better service by paying more. Then again, there's a sucker born every minute.
Wolven that's some neat record-keeping you are doing. I guess anything is possible. I've never tried to go lower than 1500 ST. Maybe I will now.
Mackin: you can get 1500 ST quite easily in any of the Nana bars except the Rainbows. I don't go to the Rainbows anymore. The smaller bars are cheaper and have better service.
Wolven that's some neat record-keeping you are doing. I guess anything is possible. I've never tried to go lower than 1500 ST. Maybe I will now.
Mackin: you can get 1500 ST quite easily in any of the Nana bars except the Rainbows. I don't go to the Rainbows anymore. The smaller bars are cheaper and have better service.In my experience there is no hard and fast formula for arriving at what you pay in go go's. It depends on.
How popular the girl is, she will know from experience what she is capable of earning per night which will depend on the time of the evening, how busy the joint is and what nationalities are in. As mentioned elsewhere Japanese do tend to pay more as prices back home are much higher than Thailand so 5000 or even 10000 for top class talent is acceptable. Less popular girls have obviously lower expectations and some will gladly accept 1500 for ST or even LT if the chemistry is right.
The time of the evening is important. A girl may refuse 3000 early in the evening believing that she can hook a 5000 "John". However as the midnight hour approaches and things are not looking that promising she lowers her expectations and might depending on how badly she needs money end up accepting 2000 or even less.
While girls will have standards for who they will go with by and large these are not particularly stringent. Believing a girl will lower her price because you are well dressed polite young and "hansom" with a sparkling witty personality that she finds irresistable is self delusion and just does not fit the fact that these girls are working not socialising. Why would she when it costs her money. We all like to think we are attractive to them but you are just another face in the crowd of which she sees thousands and rarely if ever remembers any of them after they leave.
Finally it is true a girl will quote a higher price than that which she is prepared to accept so it is worth mentioning that you usually pay such and such and if that's acceptable ok if not thank you and have a nice evening. If what you are offering is close to her expectation it's a done deal.
- - Not worth arguing over, you keep paying 3-4000, we will keep paying 1-2000.This is the big question: if he pays, if he mongers.
Yes they do, especially if you treat them right and get them on the right night or in the right moment. Not worth arguing over, you keep paying 3-4000, we will keep paying 1-2000. At 15 times out a month, that amount in extra baht goes an incredibly long way. It astounds me that guys are that naive that they think they actually get better service by paying more. Then again, there's a sucker born every minute.Never ceases to amaze me either Oldian. I am astounded at what these folks have done to the working girl market. Just an ego thing. If a gal won't take good money, walk away, there are lots of 'them out there.
I remember being in Nom Pehn in '99 and ran into a friend I met in Bangkok who had recently moved there. First thing he said to me was,"This is the price for ST and this is the price for LT. Don't pay more as you will ruin it for all of us." And he was / is right. But again, here in Bangkok we are dealing with big egos from Farangs and big face for Asians. Of course it does not help the gal's attitudes either.
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