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And also feel free to pass any STD's to the women in your life. I mean they asked for it right? And the chances are I won't be coming into contact with them or the guys they give them to and the girls they then pass them on to and so on infinitum.Preaching to the pus love character. Way to go. Kinda like pissing into the wind, isn't it.
Yes Both the train will stop at Phaya Thai. At Phaya thai you have to change the platform to take a train to Nana.Thanks for the response. It is great that I can take either trains and still get off at Phaya Thai.
The regular train goes to Phaya Thai, the airport express does not, it stops short and you would need to change trains, so the regular city line is the way to go. When you get off at Phaya Thai there is a lift down one floor and then another lift down another floor, not the same lift, and then a longer walk (about 100yds) to Phaya Thai station.Thanks, I will make sure to take the Regular train. Nice to know that there are lift going down even if they are 2 different lifts.
Had 12 hours between flights and was staying at the airport hotel. Slept off the first 6 hours than managed, during my shower, to get all my (only underwear) wet. Great free-balling for the next 4 hour flight.
Took it as a sign, go dressed (sans underpants) and headed over to the airport for the next Airport Rail Link to Makkasan. 90 baht dropped there to Makkasan. Quick ride there and I assumed a quick walk to linked next station (Petchaburi). Unfortunately, the link was not great had to get out of Makkasan walk along a construction site, cross a busy road and then walk to the next station, Petchaburi. Then one stop along (16 baht) to Sukhumvit and then a walk to Asok, down again two more blocks and over to the park at Sukhumvit Soi 8. I knew where I wanted to be.
It's a small bar, with girls out the front waiting. Very relaxed, semi-residential area. I was introduced to a girl (kow?) and taken upstairs (payment after). Into a small room. She asked me to relax and get ready and bought me a drink and then went off for a few minutes. I stripped off and she returned and started cleaning my dick.
She then started hoovering. She'd just finished eating so the chilli on mouth stung a little but she got her rhythm and the moisture and the movement and her tongue got me over the line in about 10 minutes. She offered full sex for 1100 baht (but I didn't know if it was 1100 more or 1100 incl BJ). I asked her if anal or BBFS was on the menu and she said no. Fair enough, more of a fantasy anyway. Nothing else too adventurous on offer, but I'm intrigued by two girls at once giving me a BBBJ. Who would take the CIM for me? Anyway, I came in her mouth and she then spat it out and cleaned me up. I got dressed and was on my way in 15 minutes.
All very pleasant and mechanical. No real connection but a fun experience and I could imagine very addictive if I was a single man in Bangkok. No stunner, but I've seen worse in Melbourne brothels getting paid a hell of a lot more for terrible service.
All damage was 840 baht (100 baht tip. 40 baht for water. 700 baht for service).
Going back, knowing how bad the connection is to Makkasan from Petchaburi, I took the Central line back to Phaya Thai (my dick would fall off just watching the hotties get on board at Siam, FUCK) and then the City line back to Airport, just in time for connecting flights. I'd avoid getting off at Makkasan and always get off at Phaya Thai because the connections are Makkasan are not good.
Also if you are staying at Novotel Suvarnabhumi, there is a shortcut via the back entrance to the hotel lobby that leads directly to the deserted suvarnabhumi Airport Rail Link station. Much better than taking the airport shuttle.
Is that what it was? I must have been drunk. I thought it was a really chewy, bad tasting after dinner mint.Was it also a bit oily?
Bartchamdo
02-04-13, 10:22
. then one stop along (16 baht) to sukhumvit and then a walk to asok, down again two more blocks and over to the park at sukhumvit soi 8. i knew where i wanted to be.
all damage was 840 baht (100 baht tip. 40 baht for water. 700 baht for service).[CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s is on soi 8. lollipop is on soi 10. you say you went to soi 8, but titled your report as about lollipop.
your description sounds like it could be either one. but [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s charges 800 for service, so i'm guessing it was lollipop. you were on soi 10, not soi 8.
i've yet to try lollipop. i've had some good experiences at [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s, but i really dislike some of their recent changes. the price went up to 800 baht, and a 30 minute time limit has been imposed. i like to hang out and chat a bit and feel up my technician. i like taking my time and i really dislike knowing there's a time limit. sadly the girl gets less business because of management's decision.
yep, soi 10. lollipops. 700 baht. worth a try, but nothing different i guess to any other bj bar in bkk.
[CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s is on soi 8. lollipop is on soi 10. you say you went to soi 8, but titled your report as about lollipop.
your description sounds like it could be either one. but [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s charges 800 for service, so i'm guessing it was lollipop. you were on soi 10, not soi 8.
i've yet to try lollipop. i've had some good experiences at [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s, but i really dislike some of their recent changes. the price went up to 800 baht, and a 30 minute time limit has been imposed. i like to hang out and chat a bit and feel up my technician. i like taking my time and i really dislike knowing there's a time limit. sadly the girl gets less business because of management's decision.
NicFrenchy
02-04-13, 12:26
Not a happy ending for me but quite a few for her. And hey, that's my specialty.Hahahahaha that's the way to react, smile and chalk it off to experience.
Next time, pay only at the end, especially with Freelancers.
I did not find the food served in Cabbages and Condoms bland at all. I found it flavourful and spicy where it should. Besides I saw more Thai people in Cabbages and Condoms in Bangkok than tourists.Sure they weren't Japanese, Korean and Singaporean tourists?
[CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s is on soi 8. lollipop is on soi 10. you say you went to soi 8, but titled your report as about lollipop.
your description sounds like it could be either one. but [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s charges 800 for service, so i'm guessing it was lollipop. you were on soi 10, not soi 8.
i've yet to try lollipop. i've had some good experiences at [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s, but i really dislike some of their recent changes. the price went up to 800 baht, and a 30 minute time limit has been imposed. i like to hang out and chat a bit and feel up my technician. i like taking my time and i really dislike knowing there's a time limit. sadly the girl gets less business because of management's decision.when i was there last week several times the place was busier than ever. also, with the price jackup, guys are actually leaving a higher tip. many girls before would get 100. now, dudes are leaving 1000 and walking out the door.
as far as the time limit, i have never been called on it. but i doubt most guys go over 30 mins anyway.
I like to hang out and chat a bit and feel up my technician. I like taking my time and I really dislike knowing there's a time limit. Sadly the girl gets less business because of management's decision.Just out of curiosity were you saying that not having more time to develop a rapport with the girls means there is a probability they will be less likely to develop repeat customers?
Regards,
BJ
Maybe this is why my last trip dec2012-jan2013 there were few girls on at 8pm-9pm, they were so tired from their 6-7 barfines a night. LOL.Or perhaps they got wind of the fact you were on your way there and had it on their toes?
I bet the hottest girl at rainbow4 doesn't come anywhere near 6-7 barfines a night during hi season and she is way prettier than anything baccara has.By your own admission you do not go to Baccara so how would you be in a position to comment?
Regards,
BJ
In BKK it means that you can bring girls to your room and you don't have to pay joiner fee. It also means that you can have visitors that visits you (escorts / outcalls)
For outcalls you can also pick from a lot of the massage places. Check their websites for prices and pictures. Its a lot cheaper than actual escort services.Thanks for the tips.
Wolvenvacht
02-04-13, 20:03
Sure they weren't Japanese, Korean and Singaporean tourists?Japanese and Koreans I would recognize, they look quite different from Thai people. Singaporeans I am not sure I'd recognize, they seem to be a mix of many ethnicities, but I doubt they were there "en masse".
Some I could hear talking and it was Thai they spoke.
all good men.
i never been to asia.
had been to best places in europe and morocco great scenes.
yet in thailand how and where would you get fresh quality girls beauty?
are they rep001ered in differnt clubs or there are hot spots?
i wish some of smartest wuld give me good simple report to evaluate on asia wortheness please.
happy to serve you on inf fron cyprus and everywhere.
In BKK it means that you can bring girls to your room and you don't have to pay joiner fee. It also means that you can have visitors that visits you (escorts / outcalls)
For outcalls you can also pick from a lot of the massage places. Check their websites for prices and pictures. Its a lot cheaper than actual escort services.Does all massages let take girls for sex? How much all night? And do mostly do anal?
What are the best quality girls in which massage give names please.
Carlo, cyprus
FreebieFan
02-05-13, 02:23
. Serve it to me the way the cook would eat it. Better yet, don't ask because when a restaurant starts to ask this question it means they have already crossed the line and made certain compromises.Used to meet with a gal who worked in Spankys, Nana. She had been a Thai chef before her dancing life and every restauraurant we went to, she would ask for the chef, describe how she wanted each dish (more ganggal, less nan phrik etcetc). Was fun watching this dancing girl order food then correct the chef.
FreebieFan
02-05-13, 02:29
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Most probably I will be staying at Amari Watergate, and I have read it is GF. But probably some of my business partners will be staying in the same hotel, so discretion is very important to me.Many guys (probably many who are all on same business trip write this same "discretion line" ). Brings to mind guys hiding behind plant pots to avoid colleagues when they are doing the very same thing.
Guys should just man up and say " ok colleagues, were all here in Bangkok and temples arent the agenda. We all know why we are here ". What goes on in BKK stays in BKK. Enough of this hiding behind plant pots. LOL
Mr Enternational
02-05-13, 03:01
Many guys (probably many who are all on same business trip write this same "discretion line" ). Brings to mind guys hiding behind plant pots to avoid colleagues when they are doing the very same thing.
Guys should just man up and say " ok colleagues, were all here in Bangkok and temples arent the agenda. We all know why we are here ". What goes on in BKK stays in BKK. Enough of this hiding behind plant pots. LOLThere is no LOL in that FF. I think guys who are dead set against P4P are the ones outside of the norm. Most of the people I know and meet in my travels are in agreement with P4P.
I met up last night with a couple of guys who I have been on a dive boat with the past two days here in Palau because it was one guy's birthday. Somehow P4P was brought up and the English guy said the Filipina girls at the karaokes want $150. The birthday guy (German) said that his friend just spent $600 on one of those girls some way or other but had to use one of the other guy's room because the guy he was rooming with knows his girlfriend back in Germany. The English guy said he first stumbled on Pattaya back during the tsunami when he was traveling with a female companion and they could not get a flight to Samui. He said he sure as shit wished he wasn't with a girl on that trip.
Then the guy whose family owns the hotel where I am staying called me up last night and asked if I wanted to go out. He took me out to the karaokes trying to get me to get one of the Filipinas. I told him dude, you do realize I live in Thailand right? He said no wonder you aren't impressed with this shit. Plus tomorrow I will be leaving to go to the Philippines where the same girls will be from free up to $50. Damn $150!
Bartchamdo
02-05-13, 12:57
Just out of curiosity were you saying that not having more time to develop a rapport with the girls means there is a probability they will be less likely to develop repeat customers?That's part of what I'm saying. I'm saying I dislike management encouraging an atmosphere that rushes the customer in and rushes them out. I find the 30 time limit completely unwelcoming. It guarantees that every visit is a clock watching experience. Sometimes the girls take 5 minutes just to get their bag of goods after escorting you to the room, not to mention the time it takes to partially disrobe, wash before and after, etc.
And yes, this results in less business from me. Part of it is that I never have a chance to develop rapport. Part of it is that I stay away in the first case. Unfortunately the result not only hurts the business that set the policy, but also the ladies who didn't set the policy. I feel bad for the ladies because they have no control over it.
FruitNinja
02-05-13, 13:04
After a tiring ride from Pattaya in what the hotel there called a limo. I end up with a major hotel fiasco. Booked wrong, at the Admiral Grand, only rooms available were the same rooms at 3X but their sister hotel Peninsula (5 star) has rooms for 2X. Ok I'll take it and get another room once I get wifi. Get to the hotel, lobby is nice. Get my stuff up to the room and guess what? Internet doesn't work. Plus the room is tiny. I call downstairs and they say it will be up later. No specific time just later. I know how this is going to play out. So I figure I'll wash up and make the best of it. I start looking around and there's 1000's of ants all over the place. Sh*t. This isn't going to work. I go downstairs to see if their hardwire lobby computers work. NOPE! Plus it's like 200 rooms with two elevators. Not happy.
I grab my iPad and run to the cafe next door order coffee and start searching hotels This kid server was very helpful. So I find one about three blocks away. Pay my bill run over and look at the rooms. It's a 4 star I think but the rooms are bigger and nicer than the 5 star 3 blocks away. I tell them to book it but they say I have to do it through Agoda to get the rate. No problem I have my iPad and they let me log in to their wifi. Done deal.
Back to the other place to collect my unopened luggage. I go upstairs. Grab it, tell the guy at the front desk I'm out of here. No internet and bugs in the room is not something I'm interested in dealing with. He hands me a bill for the room for a night. I tell him there is no way in hell that I am paying him a penny. I didn't as much fart in the room. Well this turns into an ordeal. I'm not budging. He says he has to call his manager. I tell him he's got 10 minutes and then I'm gone. He can call the cops if he likes, he has all my info. He can't get ahold of his manager but reconsiders and says I don't have to pay. I don't get this mentality. All I can think of is that the guy at the front desk doesn't have the authority to make any money decisions.
New hotel is perfect! Park Plaza Sukhumvit Bangkok Just south of Asoke Station on Soi 16. Five minute walk to Soi Cowboy. I get all showered up. Grab some food at a pub at the end of Cowboy. Good burger. I end up at Baccara. Great girls but packed. The only room was upstairs. I have a drink, talk to a guy from Canada and spot the next Ms Ninja. Spinner, cute, short hair, nice hips, and pretty smile. Few lady drinks later we're negotiating. She opens with 6K. I start joking about gold plated body parts and we agree on 4500 for LT. We stop at Sharks next door and have a few drinks. Back at the room she is definitely shy. Little mechanical but I'm able to break her down a little bit. We had a nice time and as agreed upon she left at 6 am after another pop. Plus the superbowl started at 6:30 so I had coffee, watched the first half, then had amazing breakfast at the hotel and finished watching the second half. Got cleaned up and went to do some tourist stuff. I'm tired, been doing tourist and mongering for over three weeks. At times multiple daily pops with multiple daily partners. I'm too old for this. I decide I'm going to take a night off. My penis is over joyed.
So it's getting around dinner time so grab a bite to eat and then start thinking."Ah maybe a blow job." So I remember that Dr BJ's is not far. I'm on 16, they are on 7-1. But first I think maybe I'll go to Nana first. Well I get to Nana and Rainbow 4 and everything else is kinda dead. It's too early. Damn! So I decide to walk to BJ's and get one. I find the place. Ask for the good Dr and he actually happens to be there but he's across the street at Nuru. So I decide to say hello. We sit and shoot the shit for a god 40 minutes. We start talking about Annie's. I tell hime there is one girl in particular that was recommended. Her name is Aor or something. I remember her pic on the site so I show it to him. Guess what? She's working there tonight. #24. But I'm not sure I want to make that call in my diminished state. But my big and little heads conspire to deplete my wallet even further. I opt for the 2 hour VIP room. I'm skeptical but she does look good. What a phuking body! Well up to the room, shower Nuru and then she starts working her magic. HOLY SH*T. In less than 10 minutes I've done pop 1. WOW! SHe is amazing! So I figure thats it. Nope, off to the bed and a really nice massage. She's got me hard again! I'm amazed. I end up almost pounding her through the exterior wall before I pop again. Still ahd about 30 minutes left and we laid there breathing heavy. She was impressed by the old guy and she surely impressed me. I will try and see her again before I leave. Probably at Annie's just to change things up.
Went to Nana after and there were plenty of girls in RB4 and the whole place was hopping. The LB's are agressive. Stopped back and checked out the talent at Baccara and noted for today.
Did the turist thing today. These cab guys suck. They are endlessly trying to run some scam. There are a few honest ones but they are hard to find. I had this the last time I was here. Take me here. Ohh too far no meter. So ok, how much? 200, ok, then they drop you off and want you to take the ferry or the sky-train for the rest of your ride. I threw him 100 and told him to GFU. Anyway. Probably heading back to Baccara. Got one picked out. I think her # was 22.
It doesn't look like I'm going to get any rest until I get home and the regular is asking when I'm going to see her. She doesn't understand why I'm not excited about sex Skyping. It's a rough life.
FN from front.
Sorry for any typos but I'm not proofing it.
Bartchamdo
02-05-13, 14:17
some more thoughts on the subject.
around half a year ago i visited a lady regularly at [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s. she took me above the usual 2nd floor area to a room on the 3rd floor. back then it hadn't been divided into booths so we had the big room to ourselves. she'd start the fans going, take off her top, and just stand directly under the fan for a few minutes just to cool down. (those girls sit in front of [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s no matter how sunny the day is. it doesn't look fun.) after a few minutes we'd slowly get around to business and afterwards slowly wrap things up. it was relaxed in the usual thai style. our sessions would go anywhere from 25 to 40 minutes and a few times they were an hour. when they lasted around an hour i think it was partially because she wanted to hang out longer to avoid going back to the blazing heat.
if the story is typical, perhaps [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s management wanted to get more work out of their ladies so they created a time limit. who came up with the policy first, dr. bjs or [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s? did one copy the other or did they happen to have the same idea at the same time?
That's part of what I'm saying. I'm saying I dislike management encouraging an atmosphere that rushes the customer in and rushes them out. I find the 30 time limit completely unwelcoming. It guarantees that every visit is a clock watching experience. Sometimes the girls take 5 minutes just to get their bag of goods after escorting you to the room, not to mention the time it takes to partially disrobe, wash before and after, etc.
And yes, this results in less business from me. Part of it is that I never have a chance to develop rapport. Part of it is that I stay away in the first case. Unfortunately the result not only hurts the business that set the policy, but also the ladies who didn't set the policy. I feel bad for the ladies because they have no control over it.I agree with you and also found the time limit to be a turn off but the girls do have to some control. I mean if you're not finish right at 30 mins they can still keep going for a while longer to get you off. I suspect most people do finish before 30 mins but you do bring up a good point about when does the (session) time start? Is it when you enter the bar or when you the room or curtained area or when she returns to you with her supplies and inserts member into her mouth? If a time limit is needed I would say 45 mins to an hour would be more than reasonable and fair to all sides.
all good men.
i never been to asia.
had been to best places in europe and morocco great scenes.
yet in thailand how and where would you get fresh quality girls beauty?
are they rep001ered in differnt clubs or there are hot spots?
i wish some of smartest wuld give me good simple report to evaluate on asia wortheness please.
happy to serve you on inf fron cyprus and everywhere.all fresh and used girls are available for sale at the market next to chatuchak. it is open 8 pm to 1 am daily.
make sure you take a flashlight to examine the merchandise before you buy. merchants have been known to sell used merchandise as new to unsuspecting newbies.
ask any tuk tuk driver to take you there.
From what I have read so far, taxi is the best option.
From BKK its about 1200-1800.
Return from Pattaya about 800.
I don't want to take the train so next best option I guess is to use service of someone like bell travel? Looks like they can pick you up and drop off at hotel plus privide non stop 2 hour A / C bus.
So is the second best option or is there sonething else also?
Can someone please advise?
Merci
Wolvenvacht
02-05-13, 20:03
From what I have read so far, taxi is the best option.
From BKK its about 1200-1800.
Return from Pattaya about 800.
I don't want to take the train so next best option I guess is to use service of someone like bell travel? Looks like they can pick you up and drop off at hotel plus privide non stop 2 hour A / C bus.
So is the second best option or is there sonething else also?
Can someone please advise?
MerciI took a bus from the Southern Bus Terminal for a about 100 baht. Of course that is no option if you start from the airport.
From what I have read so far, taxi is the best option.
I don't want to take the train so next best option I guess is to use service of someone like bell travel? Looks like they can pick you up and drop off at hotel plus privide non stop 2 hour A / C bus.
So is the second best option or is there sonething else also?
Can someone please advise?
MerciA good question. Bell Travel is cheap but you lose half the day on a trip which should take no longer than two hours. For instance, they pick you up midday, you have already lost the morning preparing for wait and departure. On pick up the minibus stops off at various hortels in the area, however, Mr Mumbai and Mr Delhi are still in bed. Now you wait. Eventual arrival at the bus depot, embark, proceed to Suvanabuhmi airport, more wait. Eventual departure and arrive Pattaya around Fourish. Debark, transfer to hortel. Day gone! Lost.
Unless there is a bus depot which one could pick up a direct bus to Pattaya; which I'm sure there is? This is our ideal option, for us budgeteers, that is. Would any Gentlemen happen to know of a specific service such as this?
Taxi is obviously your far more efficient, depending on time of day. I once took a taxi to Pattaya for 300B, a Sunday, sparrow fart, and nobody around; the taxi driver was looking for work and away we were.
I took a bus from the Southern Bus Terminal for a about 100 baht. Of course that is no option if you start from the airport.Excellent Mr Wolvenvact, I will check this one out. Wonderful how the forum can function as it should do instead of squabbling like children:
http://www.pattayabus.com
The link is not functioning unfortunately.
Wolvenvacht
02-05-13, 22:09
Excellent Mr Wolvenvact, I will check this one out. Wonderful how the forum can function as it should do instead of squabbling like children:
http://www.pattayabus.com
The link is not functioning unfortunately.The site is working again. Southern Bus Terminal to Pattaya is 124 baht and takes about 2 hours. The bus is AC and rather modern. The terminal is run like an airport. You buy your ticket upstairs. Each destination has its own ticket booth. You will get a ticket showing the time of departure and your seat number.
There are lots of restaurants in the terminal building, in case you feel hungry and have to wait a while. Don't forget to bring some non-alcoholic beverage with you as they will give you only one small bottle of water when boarding the bus.
And for those who wish to take the bus from the airport to Pattaya, there is a regular service, leaving every hour on the hour (from 7am to 10pm) to Pattaya for 134 baht. http://www.airportpattayabus.com/2012/suvarnahbumi.html
Happy travels!
Wolvenvacht
02-05-13, 22:13
All fresh and used girls are available for sale at the market next to Chatuchak. It is open 8 pm to 1 am daily.
Make sure you take a flashlight to examine the merchandise before you buy. Merchants have been known to sell used merchandise as new to unsuspecting newbies.
Ask any tuk tuk driver to take you there.Always check the "sell by" date! And perhaps ask for a manual in English, if you are not used to Thailand and its customs.
FruitNinja
02-06-13, 03:49
From what I have read so far, taxi is the best option.
From BKK its about 1200-1800.
Return from Pattaya about 800.
I don't want to take the train so next best option I guess is to use service of someone like bell travel? Looks like they can pick you up and drop off at hotel plus privide non stop 2 hour A / C bus.
So is the second best option or is there sonething else also?
Can someone please advise?
MerciPattaya to BKK. I took a hotel taxi and of course that's overpaying but it's peace of mind for me. I talked to the driver and the hotel pays hm 1000b I hgot quotes from street Taxi's of $1200.
FreebieFan
02-06-13, 05:10
. At times multiple daily pops with multiple daily partners. I'm too old for this. I decide I'm going to take a night off. My penis is over joyed.Love those days when we are so shagged out we actually want to have a "day with no sex". Of course, those days start out with the best of intentions and the DWNS never actually happens. But its funny the internal discussions and arguments we all seem to have.
FruitNinja
02-06-13, 05:47
love those days when we are so shagged out we actually want to have a "day with no sex". of course, those days start out with the best of intentions and the dwns never actually happens. but its funny the internal discussions and arguments we all seem to have.take an r&r day today. the hotel room is sure comfortable and i'm tired. just got a text that i'm almost out of credit on my phone. guess i got to go to 7/11. thought i saw one around soi 8nor 7. hey aren't [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s and dr bj's right around there? well i guess since i'm in the area i could jut walk by and see whats available.
Unless there is a bus depot which one could pick up a direct bus to Pattaya; which I'm sure there is? This is our ideal option, for us budgeteers, that is. Would any Gentlemen happen to know of a specific service such as this?There is a a mini bus service which leaves from victory Monument. If you are traveling towards Mo Chit you would exit the station on your right hand side, walk down the stairs, do an immediate U-turn, walk 20 meters and the alley on your right hand side opens up to reveal a large car park with mini buses going to a lot of destinations, Pattaya being one of them.
113 Baht one way. Personally I prefer this to the bus from Ekkami because 1. It is quicker 2. It is more comfortable, better seats and air-con. 3. They drive the length of beach road and you can jump out at any point, unlike the Ekkami bus which stops at the bus depot and you can sometimes wait up to 20 minutes for a baht bus to fill up which adds even more time to an already over extended journey.
Regards.
BJ
Tony Hoeprano
02-06-13, 07:22
Can anyone recommend a few decent places to drink that don't charge ridiculous prices? (specifically for going out on dates with non p4p girls) And also away from lower Sukhumvit
I know quite a few girls enjoy Khao San Road, but I've only been there once
Mr Enternational
02-06-13, 08:13
Pattaya to BKK. I took a hotel taxi and of course that's overpaying but it's peace of mind for me. I talked to the driver and the hotel pays hm 1000b I hgot quotes from street Taxi's of $1200.That is correct. To the airport (BKK) from Pattaya it is 800 + 60 tolls, but into the city it does run 1200 + tolls.
Bartchamdo
02-06-13, 09:19
Can anyone recommend a few decent places to drink that don't charge ridiculous prices? (specifically for going out on dates with non p4p girls) And also away from lower Sukhumvit.
I know quite a few girls enjoy Khao San Road, but I've only been there onceBlack Swan pub is literally underneath the Asok BTS stop and only 100 meters from the Sukhumwit MRT stop. It's near Soi Cowboy, but you'd never guess it from the interior. It's a traditional English pub. Lots of older tourists, families, etc. Reasonable drink prices from 4-8pm, but unreasonable food prices.
There are quite a few places to drink in a complex right next to Ratchathewi BTS station. Look East from the BTS and you'll see around 10 bars and restaurants. Again, a possibility for a date.
Or you could go to Silom road. There are a couple of Irish bars within a stones throw of the BTS. At O'Malley's, for instance, draft beer is 80 baht before 7pm.
Can anyone recommend a few decent places to drink that don't charge ridiculous prices? (specifically for going out on dates with non p4p girls) And also away from lower Sukhumvit.
I know quite a few girls enjoy Khao San Road, but I've only been there onceThong Lor for sure. What is your idea of ridiculous prices?
FruitNinja
02-06-13, 12:14
I had a couple of good nights in BKK. Last night was a disaster. Met this guy from Sweden and we were shooting the shit. I see one and ask mama about her."Only Japanese." Damn! I finally see another hot spinner on the second floor and she gives me the eye so I motion her over for a drink. She finished her dance and get a lady drink, takes a sip and then says she's got another customer waiting. I tell her that I want to bar fine her but obviously he gets first crack and she walks away. Now we're talking 15 second exchange. She took one sip of her soda. I'm like "hell no." Call the mama over and hand her the LD tab and tell her the story, and suggest that the guy she went to visit pay for the drink. Well I guess the mama balls her out and when she's back on the floor she's giving me stink eye. Telling her friend the story. I find it amusing. Honey, I love ya, but you're still a hooker, and your opinion matters little.
On the way out I see a few hopefuls on the first floor but we decide to go down the street to Tilac for a drink. It's late and the girl selection has been bare fined already. So we head back to Baccara after one drink. I make eye contact with a girl (pm if you want her number) and motion her over for a drink. We're egtting along great and we agree on BF for LT and head out. Grab a little food and we're walking to my hotel. We get back, she's fun, we're taking pictures of her, non nude but she's posing and having fun. Well after the shower we get in bed and she whips out the rule book. I know, shoulda went over this at the bar but the language is a problem. Well, no kissing, no BJ, all she does is lay there and take a pounding. That's her experience as that's what the Japanese like. My eyes are not slanted. So I tell her to hit the road, I'll cut my losses at the bar fine. She counters with how about ST. I nix that. Then she counters 500 baht for taxi."Where ya going honey? To Pattaya?" She walks out not to happy but doesn't make a scene. Anyway, I've been on the road for over 3 weeks with at least one a day and many days twice. I needed a break anyway.
Guys, and especially you Japanese guys, don't spoil these girls. Don't take shit from them. BKK is top dollar for SE Asia. Demand service for your money.
FN,
On the front fighting the assault on our manhood by feminists, do gooders, and no good hookers.
Ralph Kramden
02-06-13, 13:22
I would add that even though food at Black Swan is higher priced, it is excellent quality, the portions are much larger than average and the taste is excellent. You could easily share their fish and chips with another person unless you have a huge appetite. I consistently stop there every time I am in BKK. It is very conveniently located.
I had a couple of good nights in BKK. Last night was a disaster. Met this guy from Sweden and we were shooting the shit. I see one and ask mama about her."Only Japanese." Damn! I finally see another hot spinner on the second floor and she gives me the eye so I motion her over for a drink. She finished her dance and get a lady drink, takes a sip and then says she's got another customer waiting. I tell her that I want to bar fine her but obviously he gets first crack and she walks away. Now we're talking 15 second exchange. She took one sip of her soda. I'm like "hell no." Call the mama over and hand her the LD tab and tell her the story, and suggest that the guy she went to visit pay for the drink. Well I guess the mama balls her out and when she's back on the floor she's giving me stink eye. Telling her friend the story. I find it amusing. Honey, I love ya, but you're still a hooker, and your opinion matters little.
On the way out I see a few hopefuls on the first floor but we decide to go down the street to Tilac for a drink. It's late and the girl selection has been bare fined already. So we head back to Baccara after one drink. I make eye contact with a girl (pm if you want her number) and motion her over for a drink. We're egtting along great and we agree on BF for LT and head out. Grab a little food and we're walking to my hotel. We get back, she's fun, we're taking pictures of her, non nude but she's posing and having fun. Well after the shower we get in bed and she whips out the rule book. I know, shoulda went over this at the bar but the language is a problem. Well, no kissing, no BJ, all she does is lay there and take a pounding. That's her experience as that's what the Japanese like. My eyes are not slanted. So I tell her to hit the road, I'll cut my losses at the bar fine. She counters with how about ST. I nix that. Then she counters 500 baht for taxi."Where ya going honey? To Pattaya?" She walks out not to happy but doesn't make a scene. Anyway, I've been on the road for over 3 weeks with at least one a day and many days twice. I needed a break anyway.
Guys, and especially you Japanese guys, don't spoil these girls. Don't take shit from them. BKK is top dollar for SE Asia. Demand service for your money.
FN,
On the front fighting the assault on our manhood by feminists, do gooders, and no good hookers.Unfortunate experience man. It's not just the Japanese that are spoiling the girls, Koreans and Chinese are worse! There's a reason why they're known as 123 men (1 inch cock, cums in 2 minutes, pays triple the going rate)
Scorchin1470
02-06-13, 14:19
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Guys, and especially you Japanese guys, don't spoil these girls. Don't take shit from them. BKK is top dollar for SE Asia. Demand service for your money.
FN,
Excellent point. But do not be too aggressive. As the buyer always spell out, before you pay, what you expect. Keep it friendly. Remember you argument on Soi Nana will be being discussed among the ladies within an hour on Soi Cowboy.
Can anyone recommend a few decent places to drink that don't charge ridiculous prices? (specifically for going out on dates with non p4p girls) And also away from lower Sukhumvit.
I know quite a few girls enjoy Khao San Road, but I've only been there onceAs I'm not a backpacker, I've never been to Khao San.
You could take her to Saxophone at Victory Monument. As suggested Thonglor has lots of good places where normal Thai's head for an evening out and some drinks. Many pubs and whiskey bars and the like on Thonglor itself. You could try Yes RnB Karaoke on Thonglor Soi 10. Fun place.
I had read that vans are a bit cramped but you mention that they are a bit better. Anyways as long as it dies not take more than 2 hours and 400 bahts I won't mind.
The bell hotel pick service seem to take at least 4 hours and costs a bit under 400 bahts. I also read that there may be sone cheaper taxi options that cost around 1000.
There is a a mini bus service which leaves from victory Monument. If you are traveling towards Mo Chit you would exit the station on your right hand side, walk down the stairs, do an immediate U-turn, walk 20 meters and the alley on your right hand side opens up to reveal a large car park with mini buses going to a lot of destinations, Pattaya being one of them.
113 Baht one way. Personally I prefer this to the bus from Ekkami because 1. It is quicker 2. It is more comfortable, better seats and air-con. 3. They drive the length of beach road and you can jump out at any point, unlike the Ekkami bus which stops at the bus depot and you can sometimes wait up to 20 minutes for a baht bus to fill up which adds even more time to an already over extended journey.
Regards.
BJ
Tony Hoeprano
02-06-13, 19:12
Thong Lor for sure. What is your idea of ridiculous prices?150 for a small beer. Typically you can get a large for 100 baht away from the touristy areas
Scorchin1470
02-06-13, 20:06
150 for a small beer. Typically you can get a large for 100 baht away from the touristy areasAnd get a buzz before paying Cowboy (literally) prices
Big Poppa II
02-07-13, 00:07
50, 000 miles from USA to BKK on united air. Who says you can't get good award deals. LOL. You do need to book at last minute though!I checked United and the lowest reward travel I see is 65, 000 miles in coach RT. I'm 1K and 2M. How did you get such a good deal?
Thanks, BP
I checked United and the lowest reward travel I see is 65, 000 miles in coach RT. I'm 1K and 2M. How did you get such a good deal?
Thanks, BPI am 1k also. You are right, it is 65, 000. Has been for awhile. Maybe he is talking about one way.
Also, they will fuck you on the upgrade to Bus. Class. I paid 30, 000 miles and $600. Last time I got it all the way from LA to BKK. About a 20 hour flight. This time I did not get the Narita to BKK portion upgraded. I called and they said no reimbursement of money or miles.
FruitNinja
02-07-13, 03:00
Excellent point. But do not be too aggressive. As the buyer always spell out, before you pay, what you expect. Keep it friendly. Remember you argument on Soi Nana will be being discussed among the ladies within an hour on Soi Cowboy.I try to be firm when there is a problem. I'm not an asshole and do have a lot of compassion for these girls but at some point you have to say "hold on there honey." If the word got around the stunner next to me didn't get the memo.
Met a Canadian guy at Baccara and we had a blast. He rang the bell so then I rang the bell, then had my girl ring the bell. Expensive night but I'm leaving Saturday and probably won't be back for a few months.
Again there was no shortage of girls and plenty of mongers. The place is packed evey night it seems. I'd hate to be in the second floor if there was a fire.
I picked this spinner because she was a lot of fun at the bar and I could tell her body was prefect, tiny and perfectly proportioned. I guessed right. She must be 4'10" Very playful. I didn't even negotiate. She's next to me sleeping and as soon as she opens her eyes I've got something for her.
I'm on short time, leaving Saturday. Meeting the good Dr. Friday night and have #24 booked at Annie's Saturday before I leave for the airport.
Life is good. Pictures as I can make time when I get back.
FN
Met a Canadian guy at Baccara and we had a blast. He rang the bell so then I rang the bell, then had my girl ring the bell. Expensive night but I'm leaving Saturday and probably won't be back for a few months.
Again there was no shortage of girls and plenty of mongers. The place is packed evey night it seems. I'd hate to be in the second floor if there was a fire.
FNAfter hearing a few good things about Baccara in Soi Cowboy I took a gander last week for the first time in ages and I came away somewhat disappointed. To each his own I know. The upstairs had two shifts of girls. When the first shift took off their blouses I suddenly thought I had taken a wrong turn and was in a Houston strip club. Of the 17 girls on stage 12 of them had enhanced man made breasts and not particularly good jobs in most cases. I was horrified. These gigantic rubber looking breasts were pointing in every direction other than the right one. Not my thing. Now the next batch looked younger, cuter and real. But I never found out for sure because they kept their shirts on like the proper girls I am sure they are. Left and walked down the Soi Cowboy Street of Shame and saw Coyote girls on parade. Loads of them hanging outside in their cute uniforms trying to entice men to be seperated from their money. Some of them were total knockouts. But they are Coyote girls and should come with a Warning Sign. For Suckers Only.
Member #4698
02-07-13, 06:13
I had a couple of good nights in BKK. Last night was a disaster. I finally see another hot spinner on the second floor and she gives me the eye so I motion her over for a drink. She finished her dance and get a lady drink, takes a sip and then says she's got another customer waiting. She took one sip of her soda. I'm like "hell no." Call the mama over and hand her the LD tab and tell her the story.
We head back to Baccara after one drink. I make eye contact with a girl (pm if you want her number) and motion her over for a drink. We're egtting along great and we agree on BF for LT and head out. We get back, she's fun, we're taking pictures of her, non nude but she's posing and having fun. Well after the shower we get in bed and she whips out the rule book. No kissing, no BJ, all she does is lay there and take a pounding. So I tell her to hit the road, I'll cut my losses at the bar fine. She counters with how about ST. I nix that. Then she counters 500 baht for taxi."Where ya going honey? To Pattaya?" She walks out not to happy but doesn't make a scene. Anyway, I've been on the road for over 3 weeks with at least one a day and many days twice. I needed a break anyway.Sounds like you had a double barrel of really bad luck at Baccara. The behavior of the cheeky girl was outrageous and very un-Baccara like. I have never seen such behavior at Baccara so I must ask if maybe you were drinking a lot or maybe having too good a time which might partially have blinded you and at the same time explain the unacceptable behavior of the girl. I mean no disrespect to you, but I had to ask if there was something you were leaving out of the story since this is so unusual and over the top. In any case, there is no excuse for the girl's behavior and if a bar girl ever pulled that trick on me, I would have complained and demanded that the drink be taken off my tab. You did the right thing. She had some nerve hitting you up for a lady drink while she was entertaining another customer.
The non-performance issue with the barfinned Baccara girl is another story and there are many outcomes that might have occurred. No kissing is a definite strike against the girl, but not enough IMHO to send her packing. I have a little story about a no kissing Baccara girl that I will relate at the end of this post. Generally, I have a 3 strike rule in effect with working girls, but if a girl commits a capital offence, then she is gone. In other words, if your girl had insisted on a covered blow job, refusing a BBBJ, I would have considered that strike 2 unless she agreed to BBBJ in earlier negotiations back at the bar and was reneging. Refusing to perform any BJ is a capital offence and you had the right to terminate the session without pay as you did. However, just because you had the right does not mean you handled the situation optimally. It is just my opinion, but the girl in your own words had 'countered with how about ST? ' which to me that sounds like she realized she had gone too far and was attempting to renegotiate at terms more favorable to you rather than be sent off with nothing. You might have countered with, 'ST ok: but I want BBBJ and Boom Boom. No BBBJ, No Boom Boom. No Boom Boom, you have to go now! ' I think she probably would have agreed at this point and you might have gotten decent shag. If the BJ was not good or she acted like a starfish (a capital crime) , then you could have terminated and kicked her out with taxi money and maybe 500bt. It would have been a gamble to continue with the girl, but I think it might have paid off.
Now my little story about a Baccara girl named T and me: I met T in Baccara around 4 years ago. She was very cute and had great spinner body with 'A' cup natural Thai tities. I couldn't take my eyes off her. I bought her a drink and we flirted. I was already spoken for with another girl that night so I did not barfine her. I came back a few nights later and found her. I bought her some more drinks, we held hands. Yada yada. And I barfined her. Long story short, in my hotel room T was at first reluctant to take shower with me, but I gently insisted and she accommodated me. Then in bed she performed an adequate BBBJ. After a while she asked if I was ready for condom and I said ok. Then she mounted me and we go at it Cowgirl. After a while I picked her up and put her on her back and we went missionary. Things were going pretty well so I naturally made a move to kiss her, but T turns her head away and says No, she does not like to kiss. That's strike 1. 25. (Her reluctance to take a soapy shower with me earned her a. 25 strike). OK so we continued with the shag anyway. I was feeling let down, but it was still an acceptable shag otherwise. In fact the session lasted longer because of her no DFK rule. In the end she got back on top, worked it cowgirl, then spun around into reverse cowgirl where she really leveraged her pussy to maximum effect and I had a powerful orgasm while holding her waist and looking at her lovely ass move. We talk a little. I paid her. I felt like having something to drink so we walked back to the bar. I spent the next couple of hours drinking, hanging out with T, and meeting some of her friends. Then I said goodbye and left. The night was not stellar, but it was ok. T was a hot little girl and I kind of liked her, but I figured I would never barfine her again.
A few nights pass by and I returned to Baccara looking for a girl. T spots me from the stage and smiles. I smile back. After her set she walked by. I nodded at her. She asked if I want to buy her a drink. I say ok. I am always friendly to my ex barfines. We flirt and talk a little, T sits close so our bodies are touching, and after a while she asks if I want to barfine her. I told her I really liked her, but I did not think she liked me very much because she did not want to kiss me. So it would be better if I did not barfine her again. To my surprise, she looked me in the eyes and said 'I like you. I did not know you before. I will kiss you now. ' And then she planted one on me. I wasn't expecting this response. I had come to Baccara that night to expressly barfine a new different girl, but making out with sexy little T in the bar, I decided to give her a second try. Well the rest is history. T turned out to be a great deep French kisser and the sex between us was real good that night. I took her one more time that trip.
A year goes by and I am back in Baccara. Not really looking for T, but on my 3rd night at Baccara, I see her. Boom we hook up. I barfined her a couple more times that year. One of those times was LT.
Another year goes by I return to Baccara, but I do see T. No problem I meet and shag 3 other girls.
Nine moths pass and it is now October 2012. I return to BKK and Baccara. The first night I shag a different perennial Go Go GF, M. The reunion sex was great. I barfine M a couple days in a row. Then the following day M texts me that she will not be in Baccara tonight. Around 9pm I show up and walk around the stage. I spot T dancing. I noticed something has changed. T has filled out a little. She smiles and I invite her over for a drink. It is not obvious with her clothes on, but knowing her body well, I can see that she has added some silicon to her chest. It looks alright with her top on, but I already lament that she messed with her wonderful, natural, little 'A' cup Thai handfuls. I tell her I missed her the last time I was in town and cupping her breasts I tell her I can see that she has been up to something. She laughs and asks if I like them. I tell her I do, but I liked them before too. She asks if I want to barfine her and I say absolutely.
All right I am finally getting to the point of my little story. I take T back to my hotel room. We soapy shower. I remembered the 1st time when she was reluctant to do that with me. We are now making out in the shower and on the bed and I remembered when she refused DFK the first time as well. We shag in multiple positions and God help me; I was having a problem with her hard little baseballs. I kind of don't like the pesky little hard ball things. It was such a problem for me that I could not finish in missionary so we roll over and T got on top, but the problem persisted. I kept seeing those baseballs. They were not natural and did not hang right. I reached up and pressed them in my hands, and they feel, I don't know, artificial. I can't cum. Finally, T spins around and performs her reverse cowgirl which is one of her best moves and I achieve the long sought orgasm. Afterwards we kissed and snuggled, watched TV, and talked. She spent a few hours with me and then we went back to Baccara for some late night drinks and what not. I spent 3 weeks in BKK in October / November 2012 and I barfined a few other Baccara girls, particularly M another girl I have known a few years. T was cool about my butterflying and she would always smile and say hello whenever I came to the bar. I would buy her a drink and sit with her even when I was barfining another girl. I eventually barfinned T one more time (a total of 2 times on my fall trip) and the results were about the same. She was great and really tried to make me happy, but I had a hard time cumming because of her silicon bolt-ons. I never told her the reason for my problem and she eventually got me off after an hour long marathon shag.
So on my last night in BKK, I am back at Baccara to pick up M to celebrate my bon voyage fair well night. I spot T and she comes over. I buy her a drink and tell her I am leaving and won't see her again until February. She asks if I am barfining M again. I tell her yes and she says she understands. M is my # 1 girl. I don't disagree with her, but I tell her I like her too, very much. Then T says, 'When you come back to BKK in February, we can boom boom, no condom, if you want. I know you no like condom. you cum better , no condom.' Well damn, that's one of the reasons why I love BKK and Baccara Go Go girls in particular so much. T is such a little darling. This story will be continued and I will be returning to BKK in less than 3 weeks. The point I was trying to make in relating this little story of T and me is that sometimes from a so so beginning good things can turn out. Over the last 4 years I have had some great sessions with T. I always fool around with plenty of other girls while I am in BKK, but it is always nice to hook up with her 2, 3, or 4 times per trip. I really wish she had not augmented her breasts. They used to be perfect. Anyway, I am looking forward to bare backing her in just a few weeks. I am sure I am not the only guy she goes natural with, but having known her for 4 years, I am pretty sure I am about to become a member in very small private club. I love BKK!
I'll be coming to Bangkok for the first time in March. My flight lands at like 1150pm. Trying to figure out where to get a girl when I get to my hotel real late. After customs, and taxi to hotel, ill prolly get to the airport like 2am'ish right? I'm staying at the marriott next to nana plaza. The gogos are closed that time no? What are my choices in that area at that time? Just girls on street? Any agencies or MP open? Searching the forums for as much info as I can find, I'm so exicted!
After hearing a few good things about Baccara in Soi Cowboy I took a gander last week for the first time in ages and I came away somewhat disappointed. To each his own I know. The upstairs had two shifts of girls. When the first shift took off their blouses I suddenly thought I had taken a wrong turn and was in a Houston strip club. Of the 17 girls on stage 12 of them had enhanced man made breasts and not particularly good jobs in most cases. I was horrified. These gigantic rubber looking breasts were pointing in every direction other than the right one. Not my thing. Now the next batch looked younger, cuter and real. But I never found out for sure because they kept their shirts on like the proper girls I am sure they are. Left and walked down the Soi Cowboy Street of Shame and saw Coyote girls on parade. Loads of them hanging outside in their cute uniforms trying to entice men to be seperated from their money. Some of them were total knockouts. But they are Coyote girls and should come with a Warning Sign. For Suckers Only.Any bar that has Coyote girls is a bar that I avoid, or leave once I find out that they employ Coyote's! If I'm going to buy a girl lady drinks, I'm going to be feeling them up and doing an interview on them. Coyote's don't let you feel them up,"those damm nylons" get in the way, and they sure as hell don't go home with you. So what the fuck good are they to me?
Unfortunate experience man. It's not just the Japanese that are spoiling the girls, Koreans and Chinese are worse! There's a reason why they're known as 123 men (1 inch cock, cums in 2 minutes, pays triple the going rate)Sorry, but I know just as many white guys (and I am a white guy) that spoil the gals. I don't want to get into a pissing match about cost, but performance is a different matter. I will state that performance has gone down as costs have gone up. A girl that won't DFK, wants to give a BJ with a condom, refuses DATY, does not want to be fingered, and only wants to have sex for 10 mins mish is in the wrong line of work. Problem is so many guys of so many nationalities accept this type of service. Remember, you are the customer, it is her job to provide for you. I make it very clear to gals that I take that I expect her to perform like she is in a "sex movie" or like she is with a boyfriend she loves. After making that clear, if she pulls any of the non-nos listed above, I get up, put on my clothes and tell her in Thai that I am unhappy and that I don't want her to do anything she is uncomfortable with. I then leave her nothing or 100 baht depending on how far the sesh went. Wish I could charge her for the ST room, as she has just wasted my time, her time, and my money. I am always very polite and never show anger, lose my temper, and I keep a smile on my face. To that end I have never had a gal get angry about what I gave her as she is well aware that she tried to pull the old bait and switch. The longer I am here I see fewer and fewer gals wanting to go with long time residents, because the tourists demand far less.
Unfortunately guys come over here and create the same environment that they had with gals in their home country. The stick it in one of these 6th grade educated farm girls and in six seconds they are in love and willing to do "anything" for them.
Many of us living here have relationships with educated working Thai women and the P4P scene is just that. We are not looking for any type of relationship, just a very intense sexual experience without having to know anything about the gal, except what her body looks like and how she performs.
T.
To my surprise, she looked me in the eyes and said 'I like you. I did not know you before. I will kiss you now. ' And then she planted one on me. I wasn't expecting this response. I had come to Baccara that night to expressly barfine a new different girl, but making out with sexy little T in the bar, I decided to give her a second try. Well the rest is history. T turned out to be a great deep French kisser and the sex between us was real good that night. I took her one more time that trip.Exactly my issue. She is not being paid to "like you" and that should have nothing to do with the service rendered. She is being paid to provide a service. If she does not "like" you she should not go with you in the first place.
150 get you a drink at Baccara. Maybe they could raise prices 5 baht and play some thai rock and roll. Some of these thai dudes rock!Wine Connection- 10 Belgians on tap. 140 baht per. 5 ltr. Beer Vault Soi 15- 180 baht pints of Hoegardden, Leffe, and Stella. And a buy one get one each month on different imported beers. No need to drink overpriced local swill on Cowboy.
City of Angels compared to Angeles City.
Low end to low end comparisons; AC is cheaper. Santos and Raymond bar girls vs. Nana parking lotThe Nana Parking Lot (NPL) in Bangkok is one of the streetwalker (SW) hangouts in the area of NEP and lower sukhumvit. These girls usually go for 1000 baht (1300 pesos) ST and it has been that way since 2007 when I first came to the City of Angels (Krung Thep). But this isn't the low end for SWs in BKK, as prices as economical as 300 baht ST have been reported for Chinatown & less than the NPL cost elsewhere with allegedly better looking girls who normally cater to Thai men.
OTOH recent claims re AC SWs say that a lady can be taken ST for as little as 300 or 500 Pesos, which would be about the same as quoted rock bottom BKK rates. However there are many warnings to avoid SWs in AC, at least the ones who don't work in bars, and its apparently considered a much more serious concern than picking up their counterparts in BKK. Others guys in AC, however, feel quite comfortable bedding them.
BTW in both places, when the bar & gogo workers finish work & hit the streets, many can be picked up at reduced rates as, techicly speaking, SWs.
As regards Santos & Raymond St bar girls, they are located in what is called the "blow row" (BR) area of AC. They are not SWs and their services sound more comparable to the BJ bars in BKK than the BKK NPL SWs. I doubt the best looking gals on BR would measure up anywhere near the top 10 percent of NPL SWs in the looks department.
Certainly the blow row BJ specialists in AC are cheaper than their counterparts in BKK, at least Dr BJs, where the minimum cost is 1000 Baht for a 30 minute BBBJ session. Blow row rates in AC were recently 700 Pesos for 2 to 4 hours, and 1200 or 1300 Pesos for 12 hours, and that included not only BBBJ but FS. Quite the bargain pricewise when compared to BKK, especially if it were non stop sex, but if involving a lot of so called GFE instead, that would be more like GAE (Girl Annoyance Experience) to others whose attitude is once the sex is over they "pay her (the hooker) to leave".
Looks wise, blow row girls are not recommended, although the occasional fine specimen has been mentioned in what I've read thus far of 2012 reports. OTOH Dr BJ's website seems much more pleasant in that regard.
So, bottom line, as it concerns BBBJ type venues, if you prefer cheaper, there's AC. If looks are more your thing, then maybe try BKK.
When you compare hot young SWs around NEP in BKK for 1000 Baht ST to AC bar girls of the same quality in looks, Bangkok is the easy winner in value, price & cost, assuming it is a ST session in either case. Even bar & gogo ST prices in BKK are at times cheaper or comparable to EWR AC rates. Of course this doesn't take into consideration any differences in attitudes & service levels, the length of the ST, or the possibility of LT with EWR if the girl doesn't run. If you like a girl to hang around with you all night, for many hours, & get the equivalent of two or more ST sessions with her for the EWR price, then AC is the winner. But if you want a ST & then to get rid of the girl, then BKK could easily be considered the preferred value choice, for getting the most bang for your buck.
BKK has a far larger quantity of top end girls than AC, but they will ask far more $$$ than top end AC girls will ask. Top price for a looker in AC is around 4000p for LT. In BKK the sky is the limit.In BKK the sky is the limit, true, though as stated above 1000 baht (1300 pesos) ST for model material is easily attainable, at least IME. I'd also note that unlike EWR in AC, payment to SWs in BKK is after the session & they do not pressure or require you to buy any drinks for yourself or any lady. So the ball is in your court when it comes to them not living up to their pre bedroom agreed upon promises.
Yes. BKK has many more hotels and better prices than AC. But I like ABC and Lewis. I have no complaints and there are other good choices for less. BKK no question has better food and cultural attractions. AC has very little of that.
But, I think you are making a big mistake however in writing off AC and the PI. 1st a better comparison to make is between AC and Pattaya and then Manila and BKK. Compare Boom Boom town to Boom Boom town and big city to big city. So let's talk about AC and Pattaya. I love Patt. What's not to love? 10, 000 sex crazed Thai girls. More bars than I will ever visit. But I also dig AC. Why? Because AC is not Pattaya and Filipinas are not Thai girls.
The one thing that bugs me about Pattaya is the masses of cheap idiot tourists gawking around Walking Street, Beach Road, and 2nd road. These fools turn Pattaya into a carnival show in which everybody including the punters are part of the act. The crowds are so bad that I will not go to Patt in December or January anymore. AC, as crude and unrefined as it is, is like a private club for guys like us. This place is our private enclave. We don't share it with anybody!I've never been to Pattaya, but if I had a choice I'd probably choose it over AC. Why? Because, in a word, it's Thailand. But as it stands, with the plan to live 12 months a year in Asia I can only spend about 6 months of it in LOS, so must go elsewhere for the other 6 months, which will likely be AC. I'll also have to plan for at least a few days or a week or two in a third country, for tax purposes.
BTW Beach Road SWs in Pattaya are reportedly often willing to go ST for a mere 500 Baht (about 665 Pesos or 17 USD). And generally speaking things there, most notably ladies & hotels, will allow your dollar to stretch further than in BKK.
2nd, and this is the main thing, AC and Manila are home to Filipinas, the friendliest (GFE) girls in the world. Look, I love Thai girls. They are sexy and beautiful and have tight bodies. And believe me I pay up to shag the hot ones and I have been visiting LOS since '89. But every time I get off the plane in the PI and hook up with my first few Filipinas of the trip, I am always taken aback at how fucking nice Filipinas are. It is hard to explain in words. You will have to take my word for it. They are different than Thai or Chinese girls. Maybe more open, more loving, or just needier, I don't know, but the difference is palpable. You can feel it when you are with them and when you sleep with them. I won't argue with guys who say Thai girls are prettier or have better bodies. I kind of agree with that. I won't even argue with you over comparative prices. I know it is cheaper in the PI, but that is not the point. Here is the point; even if Filipinas were more money than Thai girls or Chinese girls, I would still want to shag them and spend time with them.I've found Thai P4P girls to be quite friendly, certainly compared to Western feminists. They are largely about sanook (fun) which is a major aspect of their culture. So I'm not sure how the Philippine ladies are going to top that, but maybe some day I'll find out what you're describing.
However when I'm with a prostitute I'm looking for her to "take care" of me, please me, service me, do what I want, not have me treat her like a GF, watch TV with her, eat & drink with her, listen to her life story or have long intellectual discussions or debates together.
Sometimes my sessions with P4P TGs might be described as GFE in that they involve a lot of kissing, touching, cuddling or foreplay prior to sex, if sex even happens. But GFE means different things to different people, & has many definitions.
I had a cute young slim Thai SW hooker invite me to be her BF after a session today in which she sucked me & we fucked each other BB for 80 minutes. She kissed me lightly with a closed mouth less than 10 times. Personally I wouldn't call that what I'd want from a girl friend, as I enjoy lots of kissing, including lips to lips, LFK & DFK. Still a very enjoyable session from a 24 year old who looked about 19. In total we spent perhaps 5 minutes talking, one of the advantages of not being able to speak each other's language. More rock, less talk.
Usually my sessions with TGs involve lots of fucking, girls giving me long BBBJ's, DATO, BLS. TGs are not as much into kissing, especially before sex, as Canadian girls, although a good percentage get into DFK when I'm banging them, & they'll even initiate it. If PI girls were like Canadians in that regard, it would be a positive & give them an advantage over TGs.
Here is a small example of what I am talking about. After 3 weeks in BKK, a week in Patt, and 5 days in Macau on my last trip, I fly to Manila.
The first night in Manila (Makati) I head over to Rogues Bar on Burgos. I meet a sexy spinner and let her seduce me in the back of the bar.
Things got pretty crazy in the back of the bar. She had my cock out and was giving me a HJ as my hands wandered around underneath her panties. Back at my hotel we do the usual soapy shower, BBBJ, and sex routine. Because of all the shagging I had been doing, I was running low on vital fluids. We shagged in various positions for around 40 minutes, finally moving into doggy where she finally collapsed and I planted my seed. It was exhausting. She turns over and smiles and says she came two times, how was it for me, and hugs me. We kiss for a while and then fall asleep in each other's arms. I wake around 4 in the morning. She is still wrapped around me. I have a morning hard on and I start kissing her. She wakes and grabs my dick. We begin session 2 and then fall asleep again. Around 10am we both awake, again in each other's arms, and after a quick run to the bathroom, session three begins. Ok, Ok. It was a good shag. No big deal. I know that, but the way she held me and wanted to do whatever I wanted to make me happy, that was the thing. I don't know; words are hard to find that can explain it. It was different than in LOS or Macau. More GFE from the get go. I don't know. Anyway I bought her some breakfast and we said goodbye. But not before we exchanged phone numbers and she asked if I was going to stop by the bar tonight. I told her I might, but I was not sure. I saw her again three days later on my last night in town and we had another good time. Nice girl. I will look her up when I return to MNL. But there are thousands like her in MNL, AC, Subic, and Cebu. That is why I visit the PI.It sounds like you had an awesome time. LT or sleeping with a gal is not my style or cup of tea, but to each their own.
"but the way she held me and wanted to do whatever I wanted to make me happy. that was the thing."I think there are a lot of TGs with this attitude. As they put it, they want to "take care you".
With that in mind, what I'll be looking for in PI are girls who can:
1. Shag for an hour or two at a time. Even starfishes may apply, as I'm often up for a sweaty sexercise workout. (Many TGs are great at just laying there like a lame fish, as opposed to the other extreme of a wild tigress scratching you all over & biting you. I'll take the corpse over the tigress).
2. Give BBBJ for a hour or two, non stop, and in just the way I like it.
3. Perform DATO & or BLS on me for an hour or two, while I play the violin, till I cum, or end the session due to exhaustion.
4. DFK while simultaneously giving me a prostrate anal hand massage as my guitar gently weeps.
About the four passes through, I am stopped in my tracks in front of the wonderfully names 'One Eyed Wench (I mean, who can resist that name, and who amoung you has not wanted to Phuck a one eyed wench?). What is it that has locked my feet into the ground and pulled my eyes toward it as if god has appeared in front of me? A perfect, perfect 10. I mean, to me, a 10 is not something you just throw around as a rating. To me, supermodel hot is a 9- a 10 is that hot with just something extra, some deep and profound sensuality that transends the looks. Well, there she is, a door girl in a tight par of jeans with a perfect little ass, B / C cup, flat, flat stomach, but enough muscule tone that gives look of your yummy gym rat- pefrect. The face is out of this world. I almost never just go with a girl on looks alone- I have to feel a chemistry. But, I am phucking this one even if she is the most sour.ussed ***** in the world, even if she is the emodiment of money grubbing skank. For the 1500 paso EWR (34 bucks) , even if she terms out to be a frigid matress bag I will see god ever second while inside her.04-30-12 20:28.
The Philippines: Angeles City
Member #4698
02-07-13, 14:46
Exactly my issue. She is not being paid to "like you" and that should have nothing to do with the service rendered. She is being paid to provide a service. If she does not "like" you she should not go with you in the first place.I think we are in solid agreement on this. No soapy shower is a strike. No DFK is a strike. No BBBJ is a strike. No blowjob (covered or bare) is a capital offense. Starfish is a capital offense. My rule is 3 strikes and she is out. One capital offense and she is out. All P4P Thai girls know what they should do. All these performance related issues are part of the implied unwritten contract between the customer and the service provider. In a more perfect world we wouldn’t need to discuss these things with the lady in question, but in reality, some bad girls try to cut corners. It is also true however, that when a working girl likes you, her performance/service is better. That may be unprofessional of her, but that is human nature.
If you take your time and flirt-interview the girl properly, these problems can be avoided in the first place 95% of the time. My point is once in a while we end up in bed with a lemon. I was trying to illustrate how to make lemonade. The alternative is to terminate and send the girl packing as FN did. This is a lose lose situation for both parties. It is up to the punter which road to take. Once in a blue moon nothing can be done to change the situation for the better and the girl must be sent away.
I think we are in solid agreement on this. No soapy shower is a strike. No DFK is a strike. No BBBJ is a strike. No blowjob (covered or bare) is a capital offense. Starfish is a capital offense. My rule is 3 strikes and she is out. One capital offense and she is out. All P4P Thai girls know what they should do. All these performance related issues are part of the implied unwritten contract between the customer and the service provider. In a more perfect world we wouldn't need to discuss these things with the lady in question, but in reality, some bad girls try to cut corners. It is also true however, that when a working girl likes you, her performance / service is better. That may be unprofessional of her, but that is human nature.
If you take your time and flirt-interview the girl properly, these problems can be avoided in the first place 95% of the time. My point is once in a while we end up in bed with a lemon. I was trying to illustrate how to make lemonade. The alternative is to terminate and send the girl packing as FN did. This is a lose lose situation for both parties. It is up to the punter which road to take. Once in a blue moon nothing can be done to change the situation for the better and the girl must be sent away.Very well said. A short interview and agreement before any commitment is the best advice. Also, pay after.
This mostly applies to the MP's for me. Before the girl even starts her massage, tell her what you want. Unless it is Lavanna or a high end place, they know you are not there for the massage. 95% of those places make you pay after. So if she says, HJ only 2, 000 B (which happened to me on this last trip) , don't be rude. Just say no thanks, smile, and walk out the fucking door.
Also, I always carry a small bottle of lube and Listerene with me. Sometimes they won't kiss because they think their breath smells. My experience is Thai girls are self conscious about this. They are fine after a shot of Listerene.
The lube is for when in fact their pussy is really too small. Grease it up and no problems.
I say again. Purchasing a girl is not like buying a m D hamburger. You know what you get when you buy burger. You never know what you going to get with a girl.
I see time and time again why girls prefer japanese- if japanese paid same as farang I bet a lot of girls still wouldn't go with farang. Faranag is just too hard to please. If I was a hooker I surely wouldn't want to exchange bodily fluids with a stranger.I don't totally disagree.
But I have found many hookers that are like us believe it or not. Perverts like many of us. There are girls out there who love sex. Girls who are not haters and really just want to make a man/customer happy. They love cum in their pussy, love to suck cock with CIM, and eat ass.
I have have girls eat my ass, w / o even asking them too. A price has already been agreed upon, so no tip is in order. And the ones that ask you to CIM and eat it w/o me asking. Why would they do that unless they enjoy?
Member #4387
02-08-13, 01:04
I think we are in solid agreement on this. No soapy shower is a strike. No DFK is a strike. No BBBJ is a strike. No blowjob (covered or bare) is a capital offense. Starfish is a capital offense. My rule is 3 strikes and she is out. One capital offense and she is out. All P4P Thai girls know what they should do. All these performance related issues are part of the implied unwritten contract between the customer and the service provider. In a more perfect world we wouldn't need to discuss these things with the lady in question, but in reality, some bad girls try to cut corners. It is also true however, that when a working girl likes you, her performance / service is better. That may be unprofessional of her, but that is human nature.
If you take your time and flirt-interview the girl properly, these problems can be avoided in the first place 95% of the time. My point is once in a while we end up in bed with a lemon. I was trying to illustrate how to make lemonade. The alternative is to terminate and send the girl packing as FN did. This is a lose lose situation for both parties. It is up to the punter which road to take. Once in a blue moon nothing can be done to change the situation for the better and the girl must be sent away.I am agreeing to most of what is written from a various set of ISG posters lately when it comes to deviding various performance into strikes vs capital offenses. I have somewhat a bit more strict regime as I consider refusal of BBBJ as a capital offense (actually a crime). Giving good head is an art and I am into fine arts and in an utopic world there would be no such things as covered BJ`s.
As stated earlier all the girls in the P4P game (Go Go, BG, FL`s, Escorts, G-clubs) know the game. Corner cuttings we leave to the proffesional race drivers.
Normaly I put my pride into screening / interviewing the girls (I mostly do FL`s). Looks, body, chemistry, mood are important factors I try to evaluate on sceene before bringing them back. This normaly ends in from good to great sex sessions. Only a couple of times did I have this change of attitude when entering room / session soon starts. And one time a Spasso girl refused to give me BBBJ. This was such a turn off and a capital crime so I had to, imidiately, send her on her way. I actually consider this worse than a starfish performance (memory is fading but I am sure I did encountered atleast a couple). I gave her 1000BHT as in taxicompensations. But rethinking this event I should not give her more than max 200BHT as in if she pulls this stunt on several guys a night and gets a 1000 it is a pretty decent income for actually doing nothing except from refusing to commit into BBBJ. Made me think!
I have have girls eat my ass, w / o even asking them too. A price has already been agreed upon, so no tip is in order. And the ones that ask you to CIM and eat it w/o me asking. Why would they do that unless they enjoy?It's not necessarily that they enjoy it but simply learned things that way and think it's normal or expected. I knew a BG who did CIM and hated it but said she thought it was part of normal sex. Being a selfish prick, I did not correct her.
Paul Kausch
02-08-13, 03:02
I don't totally disagree.
But I have found many hookers that are like us believe it or not. Perverts like many of us. There are girls out there who love sex. Girls who are not haters and really just want to make a man / customer happy. They love cum in their pussy, love to suck cock with CIM, and eat ass.
I have have girls eat my ass, w / o even asking them too. A price has already been agreed upon, so no tip is in order. And the ones that ask you to CIM and eat it w / o me asking. Why would they do that unless they enjoy?I absolutely agree with you. Some SW do enjoy the sex and are eager to push the boundaries and try new things. After all they may be getting fucked several times a day, have experienced all the "normal stuff," most of the not so normal stuff and are eager to try something new that doesn't fall beyond their limits, whatever those may be. In a post a few weeks ago a forum member reported Apple at Cherry Massage told him that she really likes anal hard and fast. Otherwise she gets bored! Another forum member claimed she told him she was up for something new and wanted to see what it was like to get banged by two guys at the same time. I like her spirit! I've had countless experiences with SW when it was clear they were really getting into it (could have been acting, but I don't think so) and took great pleasure in seeing that I was really into what they were doing to me (no doubt also thinking about the nice tip I was going to give the.) I also have a friend who is a club promoter on Miami Beach, Florida. This fellow is friends with several escorts. He claims they tell him one reason they are in the business is they really love to fuck and feel they have hit the jackpot when they get a John who is reasonably nice looking, well groomed and knows how to fuck.
FruitNinja
02-08-13, 03:06
Sounds like you had a double barrel of really bad luck at Baccara. The behavior of the cheeky girl was outrageous and very un-Baccara like. I have never seen such behavior at Baccara so I must ask if maybe you were drinking a lot or maybe having too good a time which might partially have blinded you and at the same time explain the unacceptable behavior of the girl. I mean no disrespect to you, but I had to ask if there was something you were leaving out of the story since this is so unusual and over the top. In any case, there is no excuse for the girl's behavior and if a bar girl ever pulled that trick on me, I would have complained and demanded that the drink be taken off my tab. You did the right thing. She had some nerve hitting you up for a lady drink while she was entertaining another customer.
So on my last night in BKK, I am back at Baccara to pick up M to celebrate my bon voyage fair well night. I spot T and she comes over. I buy her a drink and tell her I am leaving and won't see her again until February. She asks if I am barfining M again. I tell her yes and she says she understands. M is my # 1 girl. I don't disagree with her, but I tell her I like her too, very much. Then T says, 'When you come back to BKK in February, we can boom boom, no condom, if you want. I know you no like condom. You cum better, no condom. ' Well damn, that's one of the reasons why I love BKK and Baccara Go Go girls in particular so much. T is such a little darling. This story will be continued and I will be returning to BKK in less than 3 weeks. The point I was trying to make in relating this little story of T and me is that sometimes from a so so beginning good things can turn out. Over the last 4 years I have had some great sessions with T. I always fool around with plenty of other girls while I am in BKK, but it is always nice to hook up with her 2, 3, or 4 times per trip. I really wish she had not augmented her breasts. They used to be perfect. Anyway, I am looking forward to bare backing her in just a few weeks. I am sure I am not the only guy she goes natural with, but having known her for 4 years, I am pretty sure I am about to become a member in very small private club. I love BKK!NB,
Thanks for the input, I appreciate it. I don't drink so that's not an issue. I have a lot of compassion for these girls and treat them well. I've been doing the P4P thing for many a years and have had a blast and would say hat my experiences have been 90% positive. These girls, and especially bar girls are pros at separating you from your money. But there has to be a certain amount of respect in any transaction. The European I was with was as amazed as I was at her disrespect. Then after being called on it she acted like a real be*tch when she was back on the dance floor. She definitely has issues.
I barfined another girl off the same floor the next night and she's still laying in bed next to me. She's not the best in bed, rather shy, in town two months. She's cuter than anything I've seen in the last month and I liked her personality. She actually took me to her place to get some clothes. We've been hanging around having a lot of laughs and some decent sex. She's taken to calling me pa pa. Little bit of an age difference.
I get what your saying about long term relationships with these girls. Although I have my few back home when I travel I prefer short. I'll keep a girl for days if I like her but I don't go looking for them on return trips unless they were stellar. I'm not interested in coaxing steller out of them at a cost of thousands. I get it, the job sucks for them. I treat them very nice and I expect to be treated the same. I understand they run into a lot of jerks and have to build defences to stay sane but I also think that after a while they should be able to judge character over a few hours of lady drinks and playfulness. And if they can't they need to learn to survive.
The girl that I booted from the room I'm not sure of. I mean we had a good repor going. I offered her food, and she ate, I asked if she needed anything on the way back to the room. Did she want anything special to drink. I try to be nice. The one I'm with right now got treated to a very nice upscale massage at a Thai spa. Not a street massage. The tip was the cost of a street massage. Anyway. For her to act as she did was totally out of expectation of such a transaction and she wasn't a 20 year old, she had been at it a while. By the time that she countered with ST I was tired of the game and can't see how it could have possibly turned out well. A lot of guys would have been ok wih that I was not. Maybe next time she will think twice. Like your thinking of T's silicone. I had two bad experiences in one night and returned anyway and am enjoying myself now. My only problem is that I leave tomorrow.
I'm going out with one of the regulars in town tonight otherwise I would barfine J again. I do have an appointment with #24 at Annie's as my goodbye to BKK.
Lastly I am not put off with Baccara or the scene in BKK. I will be back to both. It's the nature of the business. I've done it long enough to accept hat there will be disappointments. I share part of the blame for not getting the details up front. Usually my intuition is good without having to draft a contract. This time it wasn't. Not crying over it, just reporting. Some guys may handle it my way, some might yours, some might a 100 different other ways. The beauty of the forum is you see what some of the pitfalls of the business are. You learn to adjust your behavior to where you're comfortable. In the end, history is perfect as you can't change it but you can adjust your future behavior.
Sorry if this response is all over the place but it's early and we didn't eat dinner until 12:30.
Little story about J. She sits through breakfast and doesn't eat a thing. All day I'm asking her if she's hungry and keep getting "no." We go to her place, hang out a little, get our massage and head back to the hotel. Still not hungry. We boom boom and sleep. Wake up late and shower and go out. Find a nice place to eat on Soi 11 and sit down. She has a long discussion with the waitress and finally the food comes. All five main courses and a few appetizers. She proceeds to eat enough food for 4 men. I'm amazed. She's can't be taller than 4'10" and maybe weighs 90 lbs. It was a good source for a lot of fun joking for the rest of the night.
Sadly my month is coming to an end. I'm tired, the business is in need of some attention, I miss a few friends, and a few of my regular girls, but I am sad that I have to leave. There is something inherently right about a place that you can walk 10 minutes and get an afternoon BJ. A place where a old coot can walk down the street with a 20 year old stunner and the only leers he gets is from other guys who wish she were with them. I had the girl at the massage parlor tell me that my girl was beautiful when J went to the bathroom."Don't fall in love with Thai women or you will have your heart broken." "The young girls are all about money." No chance of that but I surely can understand guys doing so. I'll rent. I'm sure had I asked if she was available after work she would have said yes. It seems that the Thai girls whether regular or working are always working. They are all playing the field. I guess it's become ingrained in the culture. Most have some experience with foreigners and money.
FN
I say again. Purchasing a girl is not like buying a m D hamburger. You know what you get when you buy burger. You never know what you going to get with a girl.
I see time and time again why girls prefer japanese- if japanese paid same as farang I bet a lot of girls still wouldn't go with farang. Faranag is just too hard to please. If I was a hooker I surely wouldn't want to exchange bodily fluids with a stranger.It is not like buying a hamburger, because it is not a product. It is a service. You are purchasing a service, like car repair, or computer repair. With any service you expect it to be performed well. If a repairman only fixed one of the things agreed upon in your computer, you would not be happy. Remember you are the customer, she is the provider. You have hired her for services. It is up to her to perform. You are not there to make her "happy." She is there to make you happy. For that you pay her money.
Tony Hoeprano
02-08-13, 08:19
While on the topic of cheeseboogers, NanaBurger was actually pretty good! I'd recommend to anyone if they have a slight urge to eat a tasty burger before entering the nanaplaza complex
While on the topic of cheeseboogers, NanaBurger was actually pretty good! I'd recommend to anyone if they have a slight urge to eat a tasty burger before entering the nanaplaza complexI thought about it until I saw where they keep the meat stored.
But I eat SW pussy, so not much difference I guess.
at least Dr BJs, where the minimum cost is 1000 Baht for a 30 minute BBBJ session.There are actually two different rates. The cost for a Consultant is indeed 1, 000 baht for a 30 minute BBBJ, however a Nurse cost's 700 baht for a 30 minute BBBJ.
Regards,
BJ
FruitNinja
02-08-13, 10:28
I thought about it until I saw where they keep the meat stored.
But I eat SW pussy, so not much difference I guess.The cheeseburger doesn't wake your wanky. The shit we don't do for that few seconds of ahhhhhh.
Chris Long
02-08-13, 20:46
There are actually two different rates. The cost for a Consultant is indeed 1, 000 baht for a 30 minute BBBJ, however a Nurse cost's 700 baht for a 30 minute BBBJ.
Regards,
BJIs it just BBBJ or do you also get full service for the price.
Thanks.
Chris
Is it just BBBJ or do you also get full service for the price.
Thanks.
ChrisI don't think he is on here everyday. Last time I went you add 1000 B to the prices he stated for FS.
Not everyone's cup of tea. She is in her late 30's and use to be at Annie's. I have seen her 3 times and taken her LT. If you check BJ's site under staff she is "backadamowth". Her real name is Fon.
She is a sweet girl and a pleaser. A great GFE 3 holer. I am just sayin. She has 2 kids, so be nice and not cheap with her.
Is it just BBBJ or do you also get full service for the price.
Thanks.
Chris700 and 1000 is for BJ. If during the BJ you want full service just add 1000 baht.
FruitNinja
02-09-13, 13:46
Very little sleep. I think I reported that I had a great Nuru at Dr BJ's. I thank him for his hospitality and adice. Had one good pull from Baccara and then a day that just didn't work out. I still haven't decided whether I should have given her anything as some guys suggested. I've never purposely disrespected a girl but I felt that she was disrespectful and I treated her in kind. I'll play by any rules but there's no room for renegotiations after you've take your moves.
I had a good time with my two nighter. Great girl. Not the best sex but she was fun and I had to be inside her. It just felt right. She took off about 10 am. I showered up, went and had breakfast and headed over to Dr BJ's for a. BJ. Texted the good doctor and got his recommendation. I was not unhappy.
Last night the good Doctor and I went to Nana. I swore I wasn't going to pull anything as I was tired and felt it would have been a waste. Besides I had an appointment at Annie's for 12 today. All good plans.
We started out at Rainbow 4 and it was packed. Good selection but nothing clicked for him. I wasn't looking so on we went. Stopped at Billboard and saw a couple of possibilities. He was negotiating real hard with a waitress and had a good deal going. I was still in the "I'm not doing it mode." There was one little wide hipped shortie that was trying to get my attention real hard. Let's call her "N." Well the Doc tells his girl that he's going to get her tomorrow because he's going to hang out with me. Now he negotiated 1500 for 2 hours, three holes. That's some negotiations. So we go to Anglewitch and watch a little of the show. I tell him that I'm tired and he should have taken the waitress, especially at that price. So back upstairs we go. She's talking to another guy but finally comes over and they continue their talk."N" is still trying to get my attention so finally I cave. Call her over and buy her a drink. Next thing you know the negotiating starts. Well I get pretty much the same deal the Dr. Does but one less hole.
We hit it back to the hotel. All I really wanted to do was get off. Nothing elaborate. We get back we do out business, and she gets comfortable. Ohhh noo! Baby, I'm tired, got to get up and pack, eat, go get my slacks I had made, pick up my new glasses and go meet the Dr at Annie's at 12. Then back and get ready for the airport. I hated to kick her out because she was really nice but I promised to see her on my return and she was happy.
Met the Dr. At Annie's. #24 was outside and she acted like I was her long lost love. Ran down the street to greet me. Ha!
Had a great session. Amazing woman in a lot of ways. She's 20 and really has her head on right as far as what she's doing and her long term goals. Very likable girl. Great mix of GFE / PSE. She adjusts to your mood.
The Dr and I ate lunch at a great little place a little further down 4.
I'm at BKK Singapore Air lounge having some food and waiting for my flight. The trip was a great success. Still a little of a blur. I'm not used to going full blast for a month. I might be able to make some time for Songkran in April. Will see if I can get a decent rate with miles this close to travel.
Back to the cold. Back to the warm honeys at home.
I don't think he is on here everyday. Last time I went you add 1000 B to the prices he stated for FS.Correct LP. So 1, 700 and 2, 000 for FS which is for one hour in the BJ booth's.
Regards,
BJ
I have been starting to research my next mongering trip (done CR, DR mostly) and wanted to try out Bangkok seeing as I have the time (was outsourced LOL). Ideally I want to do it on the cheap and that includes the flight, hotel I
Have plenty of links too. What I wanted to know was what airlines travel from Toronto (YYZ) and go to Bangkok. I would also appreciate any american carriers if possible. PM me as I have access to the photos (which I love).
Thanks.
Kozak
Scorchin1470
02-09-13, 23:47
I have been starting to research my next mongering trip (done CR, DR mostly) and wanted to try out Bangkok seeing as I have the time (was outsourced LOL). Ideally I want to do it on the cheap and that includes the flight, hotel I
Have plenty of links too. What I wanted to know was what airlines travel from Toronto (YYZ) and go to Bangkok. I would also appreciate any american carriers if possible. PM me as I have access to the photos (which I love).
Thanks.
KozakNi, I am not being sarcastic but pointing out the obvious in that any good travel agent will have far better answers that members here. Each of us have views.
I have travelled worldwide for 30 plus years frequently every year but I always get a travel agent to look at flights for me.
Where you might gather information from here is when you want views on particular airlines you have chosen.
But bluntly Bangkok and Thailand has enough Cheap Charlies; Spend an hour going through posts here and see what your plans will cost and make a budget. Then see if you can afford it before you come.
Many moans on here are from those convinced that they could get by on $50 a day (you can as a backpacker but not as a sex tourist).
I have been starting to research my next mongering trip (done CR, DR mostly) and wanted to try out Bangkok seeing as I have the time (was outsourced LOL). Ideally I want to do it on the cheap and that includes the flight, hotel I
Have plenty of links too. What I wanted to know was what airlines travel from Toronto (YYZ) and go to Bangkok. I would also appreciate any american carriers if possible. PM me as I have access to the photos (which I love).
Thanks.
KozakSorry man. It sounds like you have traveled a bit.
Do you know how to search for a flight? I am curious what anyone on here can tell you differently then if you spend 5 minutes searching for flights.
As far as hotels, there is plenty of info. here in the forum. Hotel specific.
But here is one for you for just over $4 a night on Booking.com. It is close to the subway.
http://www.hostelbookers.com/hostels/thailand/bangkok/85324/
Member #4387
02-10-13, 02:01
I have been starting to research my next mongering trip (done CR, DR mostly) and wanted to try out Bangkok seeing as I have the time (was outsourced LOL). Ideally I want to do it on the cheap and that includes the flight, hotel I
Have plenty of links too. What I wanted to know was what airlines travel from Toronto (YYZ) and go to Bangkok. I would also appreciate any american carriers if possible. PM me as I have access to the photos (which I love).
Thanks.
KozakThis will take you nonstop from wherever in Canada to Bangkok in a few minutes. But please note this is also your only option flying nonstop from Canada (as for today that is).
http://www.virgingalactic.com/launcherone
You are welcome
I have been starting to research my next mongering trip (done CR, DR mostly) and wanted to try out Bangkok seeing as I have the time (was outsourced LOL). Ideally I want to do it on the cheap and that includes the flight, hotel I
Have plenty of links too. What I wanted to know was what airlines travel from Toronto (YYZ) and go to Bangkok. I would also appreciate any american carriers if possible. PM me as I have access to the photos (which I love).Sounds like you need a travel agent mate.
SunLover
I have been starting to research my next mongering trip (done CR, DR mostly) and wanted to try out Bangkok seeing as I have the time (was outsourced LOL). Ideally I want to do it on the cheap and that includes the flight, hotel I
Have plenty of links too. What I wanted to know was what airlines travel from Toronto (YYZ) and go to Bangkok. I would also appreciate any american carriers if possible. PM me as I have access to the photos (which I love).
Thanks.
KozakWhy in the name of the sweet Buddha would you want american or north american carriers?
Wolvenvacht
02-10-13, 09:42
But here is one for you for just over $4 a night on Booking. Com. It is close to the subway.
http://www.hostelbookers.com/hostels/thailand/bangkok/85324/And look at the description: "8 Bed Dorm. Mixed (Shared bathroom)"
No need to go out to find pussy! And bring a waterproof camera to the showers. WOW! ;)
Eva Air based in Taiwan. They fly YYZ? BKK. Use it all the time from LAX or SFO. Arrival times are great. I would not even touch a USA carrier. Reward miles or not.
I have been starting to research my next mongering trip (done CR, DR mostly) and wanted to try out Bangkok seeing as I have the time (was outsourced LOL). Ideally I want to do it on the cheap and that includes the flight, hotel I
Have plenty of links too. What I wanted to know was what airlines travel from Toronto (YYZ) and go to Bangkok. I would also appreciate any american carriers if possible. PM me as I have access to the photos (which I love).
Thanks.
Kozak
And look at the description: "8 Bed Dorm. Mixed (Shared bathroom)"
No need to go out to find pussy! And bring a waterproof camera to the showers. WOW! .Hey, he wanted "cheap". Probably still better than the Nana Hotel.
Paul Kausch
02-10-13, 19:07
Eva Air based in Taiwan. They fly YYZ? BKK. Use it all the time from LAX or SFO. Arrival times are great. I would not even touch a USA carrier. Reward miles or not.Flown EVA countless times for years. Not Cathay Pacific or Singapore but a great airlines.
Western787
02-10-13, 22:18
And look at the description: "8 Bed Dorm. Mixed (Shared bathroom)"
No need to go out to find pussy! And bring a waterproof camera to the showers. WOW! .Doesn't sound too bad except for the review saying mosquitoes are everywhere.
On a separate location referred to, I see NEW ROAD listed at 34 cents per night, and it also includes the following:
• Crisp insider's information on Bangkok and beyond from our expert staff
• Info package for new travelers incl. Maps.
• Lonely planet travel library.
• Safety box.
• Free dvd at our dvd room.
• Luggage storage (up to 3 months)
• Shower and towel after check-out.
• Tea & coffee 24 hours.
• Private cabinet with locker for dorms.
• Hugs from the service guides.
Doesn't sound too bad except for the review saying mosquitoes are everywhere.
On a separate location referred to, I see NEW ROAD listed at 34 cents per night, and it also includes the following:
• Crisp insider's information on Bangkok and beyond from our expert staff
• Info package for new travelers incl. Maps.
• Lonely planet travel library.
• Safety box.
• Free dvd at our dvd room.
• Luggage storage (up to 3 months)
• Shower and towel after check-out.
• Tea & coffee 24 hours.
• Private cabinet with locker for dorms.
• Hugs from the service guides.Thanks. Sounds good. It might be worth checking in just to get all the coffee you can drink, for 34 cents.
The best time to get deals on miles is within a week of departure.
Good to hear Rainbow 4 is still going strong, its the only thing going now!
A wide hipped girl. Do you mean fat? LOL.To be honest I was very impressed with the choice on offer in R4. Not only do they have what I would not hesitate to class as stunners there seems to be ladies of many shapes and sizes which cater for a wide range of tastes and desires. IMO this is one of their recipes for success. I disagree with your point of "it's the only thing going now", Harold you need to cast your net a bit wider mate.
The same night Fruitninja and myself went to Angelwitch and although there were fewer ladies than in R4 there were about 4-5 girls I would say were stunners as well.
Regards,
BJ
Guys,
Planning to come down for the first time to BKK. Would be nice if anyone could give his two cents as to which one is better. Nuru or soapy. I am anyways going to go for the FS option. Possibly with two at one go. Which are the better places for both? I am anyways going thru the tons of material posted on the forum
Guys,
Planning to come down for the first time to BKK. Would be nice if anyone could give his two cents as to which one is better. Nuru or soapy. I am anyways going to go for the FS option. Possibly with two at one go. Which are the better places for both? I am anyways going thru the tons of material posted on the forumOne is gel, the other is soapy water. Up to you really. They both slip and slide naked on you.
Scorchin1470
02-11-13, 23:44
One is gel, the other is soapy water. Up to you really. They both slip and slide naked on you.Having tried both (many times) for comparison on my last trip I tried Dr BJ's Nuru and Annies Soapy MP. Given the choice (and I forget the price differential) I preferred Annies. It
Just have that lovely air of decadence which the sterile Dr BJ's rooms lack feel.
Go for both and tell us what you think.
Paul Kausch
02-12-13, 00:46
Guys,
Planning to come down for the first time to BKK. Would be nice if anyone could give his two cents as to which one is better. Nuru or soapy. I am anyways going to go for the FS option. Possibly with two at one go. Which are the better places for both? I am anyways going thru the tons of material posted on the forumThere is much general information about Bangkok massage parlors on the internet. Here's an example of one such site.
http://www.seemorebangkok.com/massage-parlors.html
I recommend doing Google searches on Bangkok oily massages, soapy massages and nuru massages. I think a more important issue is where you're going to go to find a massage. Are you going to go to Ratchadaphisek (Ratchada to locals) or around Sukhumvit? In a nut shell, the venues on Ratchada are bigger and fancier and cater to Asians. The ones on Sukhumvit are smaller and grungier and cater to farang mongers. Most guys think the sex is better at the shops on Sukhumvit. My advice. Stick to Sukhumvit if it's your first time, unless you have enough time to go to both areas. Off of Sukhumvit you can go to Annie's for a soapy. There is an entire thread devoted to Annie's on this fine forum. Read the posts over the past few months. Strictly speaking, there is a difference between a nuru and a regular oil massage. I think the biggest difference is you get charged more for a nuru. Again do a Google search on nuru massage. Here's a link at which you can watch Asa Akira demonstrate a nuru massage (scroll down the page to find the video in which Ms' Akira shows you how it's done.)
http://www.nurumassage.com/en
The thread on this forum titled Massage Parlors Except Tulip and Annie's will give you tips and leads on good oily massage parlors and the lovely heifers who ply their trade within these establishments.
Hello gentlemen,
I'm trying to make up my mind of whether to go to BKK or Philipines (or both?). I've tasted BKK a while ago. While it was generally a nice experience, I found most of the girls very plain looking. Sadly, I'm attracted solely to model types: very slim, young (18-23) , fresh gorgeous face a must, playful attitude, some English (as my Thai is non-existent). I read once on this forum that a this exists, but would appreciate the wisdom of the experts.
Many thanks in advance!
Aibolit
One more thing. I wonder if one can find a guide who would be a pretty college girl that wouldn't mind to show me around, while also not being averse to some play in bed. Is this possible and, if so, how would one go about arranging that? Perhaps, Dating In Asia website? (never tried).
Speading of websites. I haven't discovered too many stories about freebies. Is this close-to-impossible with Thai ladies?
All the best,
A
That would be my dream in Bangkok. For my holiday coming in April 04th.
One more thing. I wonder if one can find a guide who would be a pretty college girl that wouldn't mind to show me around, while also not being averse to some play in bed. Is this possible and, if so, how would one go about arranging that? Perhaps, Dating In Asia website? (never tried).
Speading of websites. I haven't discovered too many stories about freebies. Is this close-to-impossible with Thai ladies?
All the best,
A
Member #4387
02-12-13, 03:09
One more thing. I wonder if one can find a guide who would be a pretty college girl that wouldn't mind to show me around, while also not being averse to some play in bed. Is this possible and, if so, how would one go about arranging that? Perhaps, Dating In Asia website? (never tried).
Speading of websites. I haven't discovered too many stories about freebies. Is this close-to-impossible with Thai ladies?
All the best,
AI would guess a attack on dia is well worth the effort. You could state in your headline "travelguide needed" or sth. If success don't expect your travelguide to be very professional as many girls in dia and in general in BKK comes from the ricebelt (northeast of los) and hardly know more of BKK than anyoneelse new to the city.
But in the pussydepartment you could be more lucky as she might be professional regarding handing out her pussy for small compensation.
Freebies can be had but then normal mechanisms have to surface as in boy meet girl, boy like girl and opposite. If you hang out in areas where local BKK people hang out (rca area) you can get lucky. Your disadvantage would be your non existing thai skills but ofcoursebthe young crowd of BKK speaks more and more english (atleast my impression).
Model girls can be had. I have a few in my fleet of regular ladies (non p4p and met through normal mechanisms). Hi so escort agencies and g clubs could also be a tip to find some model girls. If you can get stunners in the rest of the world you can also get them in Bangkok. Same same just different country and city. But you have to be attractive, young and fairly handsome to get them for free I guess.
One more thing. I wonder if one can find a guide who would be a pretty college girl that wouldn't mind to show me around, while also not being averse to some play in bed. Is this possible and, if so, how would one go about arranging that? Perhaps, Dating In Asia website? (never tried).
Lem.
Speading of websites. I haven't discovered too many stories about freebies. Is this close-to-impossible with Thai ladies?
All the best,
AEven though you don't speak Thai, you should be able to get a young model who will show you around a fuck you for a few days for free. No problem for you. Please make a report of how it goes. Looking forward to it.
Even though you don't speak Thai, you should be able to get a young model who will show you around a fuck you for a few days for free. No problem for you. Please make a report of how it goes. Looking forward to it.Speaking of speaking Thai. Does anyone have a recommendation for a couple days of language lessons? I'm not looking to be fluent, just enough to travel around LOS for a couple months and be able to find my way to the bathroom and stuff like that. Just very basic conversations. I'm coming in about 2 weeks and staying through Songkran. My current abilities are about four words and I think a bit more would be handy.
Thanks, gents!
Pogo
Yes virtually impossible. Unless you are willing to lie thru your teeth to get it.
Again what does a goodie girl get by servicing a sex tourist for free? Thai girls aint stupit!I sort of disagree. I mean it is easy to make friends with a girl on TLL who is both openminded and willing to show you around. Some of the girls with real jobs who also freelance have cars as well. Takes some work but is possible.
So I've been on TLL for nearly 4 years. Not just looking for pickup but for an actual gf if that happens to happen. Two years ago I chatted with this girl who was tall and thin. I'd asked her what she does for work and she said freelance but quickly backtracked and had some other story. Eventually we met up and she was cute. We went with some friends to a riverside restaurant and she was far too touchy for a proper Thai girl. The friends also picked up on her use of language and she seemed to know far to much about lower Sukhumvit. Anyway, that night, though she said it wouldn't happen, we had amazing sex. We saw each other one more time, good sex, then I kicked her out as I was meeting a friend for lunch. When I went out with my friend she was still in the lobby and I pretended that I didn't see her. The friend had his bargirl friend meet us for lunch and I felt bad that I hadn't suggested that she join us. I think and then she went off on me for not inviting her on MSN chat one day and that was the end of chatting. Bumped into her again a few months later in Bangkok Beat and that was that.
I've been in BKK for CNY and a few days ago got a message on TLL asking how I've been. How are you is one thing, but how I've been implies that she knows how I was previously. Looked at the pics and didn't quite know who this was. Nothing seemed familiar. She gave me her phone number and I gave her mine. She called me and the conversation sounded like she knew me already. She was upcountry and coming to BKK the next day. I asked what her full name is and when she told me it all made sense.
Anyway, she called me and asked if I wanted to hang out. Of course all I wanted to do was screw her brains out. She asked where we'd go and I suggested a few plances but she also mentioned she didn't have nice clothes, just a skirt and t-shirt. I was a bit unprepared for just how casual she would look, but never mind. Couldn't take her where I wanted and she said she liked the music in the lobby. So though I never sit in the lobby with a girl as I'm too well-known in the hotel, I did so. She mentioned that she came to BKK to look for some new product for her shop upcountry. I suggested that I could invest a bit in her new product. While drinking she mentioned that she'd like to stay with me but that it would drive me crazy. Might not be able to sleep. And she's having her period, so can't have sex. I told her that I'm certain that she could find another way to take care of things.
Up in the room, no period, just full on PSE. BBBJCIM multiple rounds. Again in the morning. As we are chatting in the morning she mentioned that she had to go buy something for her teeth and it costs 4000 baht. I told her not to worry I could help, but not pay for the full thing. So after she showered and we sat on the sofa, me in my robe, I gave her 2500 and she was grateful. We said our goodbyes and then she parted the robe to say goodbye to the little guy. That was a nice 20 min goodbye she and he had.
Paul Kausch
02-12-13, 05:48
Speaking of speaking Thai. Does anyone have a recommendation for a couple days of language lessons? I'm not looking to be fluent, just enough to travel around LOS for a couple months and be able to find my way to the bathroom and stuff like that. Just very basic conversations. I'm coming in about 2 weeks and staying through Songkran. My current abilities are about four words and I think a bit more would be handy.
Thanks, gents!
PogoHere's the first in a series of lessons on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJNrs4z_Pn0
Here's the company's website.
http://learn-thai-podcast.com/
Last fall they had a number of free pod casts that covered the basics, including useful monger phrases like:
Khun naa-rak maak khun yaak duem a-rai mai.
Which translate as,"Your cute, do you want a drink."
Here's a company that many people think has the best Thai language books and DVDs.
http://www.paiboonpublishing.com/
Good luck
Tony Hoeprano
02-12-13, 07:46
One more thing. I wonder if one can find a guide who would be a pretty college girl that wouldn't mind to show me around, while also not being averse to some play in bed. Is this possible and, if so, how would one go about arranging that? Perhaps, Dating In Asia website? (never tried).
Speading of websites. I haven't discovered too many stories about freebies. Is this close-to-impossible with Thai ladies?
All the best,
AIf you can swing this, by all means, write a book on how you did it and you'd be a millionaire. Haha
For one thing, young pretty college girls tend to have a fairly decent and respectable social circle and her time is usually limited to studying, possibly a job, and playing with her friends and family. You would have to make a damned compelling case to free her of her valuable time. You can try the online dating sites, but in my experience, I've been able to gather initial interest fast and exchange numbers and Line I'd handles (with hot 20 somethings) , but after that, the trail goes cold faster than a sunny day in the Arctic.
Put it this way, would you expect a random foreigner to waltz right in USC's campus and expect a hot coed on her free time take him to Disneyland, Universal studios, Knottsberry Farm and then have hot steamy sex because he's such a nice guy? LOL.
But not all is lost, there are plenty of these types of girls who would be more than happy to escort you around town:
Paul Kausch
02-12-13, 08:32
Hello gentlemen,
I'm trying to make up my mind of whether to go to BKK or Philipines (or both?). I've tasted BKK a while ago. While it was generally a nice experience, I found most of the girls very plain looking. Sadly, I'm attracted solely to model types: very slim, young (18-23) , fresh gorgeous face a must, playful attitude, some English (as my Thai is non-existent). I read once on this forum that a this exists, but would appreciate the wisdom of the experts.
Many thanks in advance!
Aibolit
Even though you don't speak Thai, you should be able to get a young model who will show you around a fuck you for a few days for free. No problem for you. Please make a report of how it goes. Looking forward to it.Why not give it to him straight. You can use DIA and TLL to find FL girls posing as real girls who will be "tour guides." Independent escorts advertise on their sites that they will show you the websites in between a BBBJ and FS; but, you're not going to find a proper young lady who is willing to do this. As for models, you can find them. I think Bangkok Gold Escorts are pretty close to that good looking and speak decent English; but you will pay for their rare combination of attributes. There are establishments where you can meet real Thai models (the lovely ladies whose photos you see in the magazines) , but if you're not wealthy and fluent in Thai or Brad Pitt you're wasting your time.
Western787
02-12-13, 12:32
I sort of disagree. I mean it is easy to make friends with a girl on TLL who is both openminded and willing to show you around. Some of the girls with real jobs who also freelance have cars as well. Takes some work but is possible.However will they meet Aibolit's standards? By his own descriptions, he requires virtually world class level beauties, yet beyond being young, I'm not sure what else he brings to the table to attract such women.
He was looking for the same thing in Brazil 6 years ago when he posted this:
"1. I prefer to meet beautiful very young (preferably below 20 whyear old. I'm in my 20s myself) local women who are non-pros. Functional English is a must, since I don't speak a word of Portuguese. I like girls who have gorgeous innocent face, slim legs, and who are passionate. Model-type, in other words. Any advice regarding how I can increase my chances of achieving the above-described goal? Is this goal completely unrealistic?
2. If you consider that my goal in #1 has only 1% probability of being materialized. I can try and settle for the pros or semi-pros. Assuming that the girl description above is not negotiable. Where can I find what I like? Is new sagitarius the only place?"
NicFrenchy
02-12-13, 14:20
But not all is lost, there are plenty of these types of girls who would be more than happy to escort you around town:Fat, huge nose, ugly and tatooed! The perfect Girlfriend for H444
FruitNinja
02-12-13, 14:30
The best time to get deals on miles is within a week of departure.
Good to hear Rainbow 4 is still going strong, its the only thing going now!
A wide hipped girl. Do you mean fat? LOL.She was very hippy, unusual for a Thai girl. Thought she might have had kids but no evidence of it back at the room.
FruitNinja
02-12-13, 14:34
Even though you don't speak Thai, you should be able to get a young model who will show you around a fuck you for a few days for free. No problem for you. Please make a report of how it goes. Looking forward to it.You might get a threesome with the chaperone a good girl always brings along on a first date.
FruitNinja
02-12-13, 14:47
I got the feeling mr fruit don't even know if he is posting about Pattaya bacc. Or soi cowboy bacca. LOL. I'm confused, I thought he writing about soi cow. But he also posted in Pappaya section.
In soi cowboy bacc they have the bell by the stairs to the stage-whats it for?
And yes I got rt for 50, 000 miles. Not all of us live on the east coast of USA.Glad you finally realized it. First step towards recovery.
I went to Chequers bar in soi 4 last Sunday for lunch and left very satisfied. It is a smallish bar about 2-3 minutes walk past Nana Plaza on the same side of the Soi. They do a very nice roast which includes half a chicken, peas, carrots, mashed potato, roast potato, broccoli, and cauliflower all for 245 baht. It is actually available Saturday and Sunday and IMO a very good deal so anyone who enjoys a decent meal at a reasonable price should give it a try. They also do draught Guinness and good quality coffee, enjoy. Incidentally my positive patronage of this bar is no indication that the owner is a business partner of mine!
Regards,
BJ
Speaking of speaking Thai. Does anyone have a recommendation for a couple days of language lessons? I'm not looking to be fluent, just enough to travel around LOS for a couple months and be able to find my way to the bathroom and stuff like that. Just very basic conversations. I'm coming in about 2 weeks and staying through Songkran. My current abilities are about four words and I think a bit more would be handy.
Thanks, gents!
PogoPogo,
Two days of Thai lessons is not really going to cut it. Thai is very difficult to speak well early on due to pronunciation problems. There are many things (sounds and tones) that do not exist in English. Really early learners pick up some vocab but need 3 months of practice to start to get the pronunciation going okay.
So after two days of lessons, don't expect to be understood, purely due to crap pronunciation. I started learning Thai 6 hours per week for several months before my 1st trip to Thailand, not to mention the daily practice. Then learnt a lot by being with Thai girls who could not speak English. You can start studying online (like via Skype) with a Thai teacher (in Bangkok) but from whatever country you live in at reasonable prices.
He was looking for the same thing in Brazil 6 years ago when he posted this:
"1. I prefer to meet beautiful very young (preferably below 20 whyear old. I'm in my 20s myself) local women who are non-pros. Functional English is a must, since I don't speak a word of Portuguese. I like girls who have gorgeous innocent face, slim legs, and who are passionate. Model-type, in other words. Any advice regarding how I can increase my chances of achieving the above-described goal? Is this goal completely unrealistic?
2. If you consider that my goal in #1 has only 1% probability of being materialized. I can try and settle for the pros or semi-pros. Assuming that the girl description above is not negotiable. Where can I find what I like? Is new sagitarius the only place?"Ha-ha-ha! Nice investigative work. I'm impressed. Yes, my tastes haven't changed much, sadly. I will check DIA and TLL (although I don't know what TLL stands for). I will also check the high-end agency that someone recommended. Are these all the ideas at hand though? Sadly, I don't have more than a week to spend in BKK.
Best, A
I went to Chequers bar in soi 4 last Sunday for lunch and left very satisfied. It is a smallish bar about 2-3 minutes walk past Nana Plaza on the same side of the Soi. They do a very nice roast which includes half a chicken, peas, carrots, mashed potato, roast potato, broccoli, and cauliflower all for 245 baht. It is actually available Saturday and Sunday and IMO a very good deal so anyone who enjoys a decent meal at a reasonable price should give it a try. They also do draught Guinness and good quality coffee, enjoy. Incidentally my positive patronage of this bar is no indication that the owner is a business partner of mine!
Regards,
BJI will remember it next time in town.
My favorite chicken is The German place on Soi 11. They cook them on a spit out front. 199 B. Man, it is good.
Paul Kausch
02-12-13, 20:40
Pogo,
Two days of Thai lessons is not really going to cut it. Thai is very difficult to speak well early on due to pronunciation problems. There are many things (sounds and tones) that do not exist in English. Really early learners pick up some vocab but need 3 months of practice to start to get the pronunciation going okay.
So after two days of lessons, don't expect to be understood, purely due to crap pronunciation. I started learning Thai 6 hours per week for several months before my 1st trip to Thailand, not to mention the daily practice. Then learnt a lot by being with Thai girls who could not speak English. You can start studying online (like via Skype) with a Thai teacher (in Bangkok) but from whatever country you live in at reasonable prices.You are correct; however, two days is enough time to learn some basic phrases and a list of practical words and phrases: "stop here" "where is bathroom?"
Pogostick can also create a little cheat sheet to carry around with him.
Hi,
As someone suggested to me below, I investigated the Bangkok Gold Escorts website in search of the Model looking ladies. Well. Most of these ladies were mid-to-late 20s and far from model looking. So, this is not what I was looking for. So, the question remains. Is there a way to go beyond the plain looking ladies that populate NEP and find a trully stunning yound model types (with good attitude, however)? I am not looking for a bargain here, so as to be perfectly clear (not that I'm agains looking for one on occasion).
Thanks for all those who will provide meaningful input on this matter. Cheers! A
So, the question remains.Indeed it does.
Stick your head into every Nana bar. No need to buy a drink. And you'll find what your lookin for. No substitute for legwork.
Oh, and be sure to post some pics this time.
GoldDigger
02-12-13, 22:17
Hi,
As someone suggested to me below, I investigated the Bangkok Gold Escorts website in search of the Model looking ladies. Well. Most of these ladies were mid-to-late 20s and far from model looking. So, this is not what I was looking for. So, the question remains. Is there a way to go beyond the plain looking ladies that populate NEP and find a trully stunning yound model types (with good attitude, however)? I am not looking for a bargain here, so as to be perfectly clear (not that I'm agains looking for one on occasion).
Thanks for all those who will provide meaningful input on this matter. Cheers! AYou may try Poseidon massage parlour at Ratchadaphisek road. In the third floor ("model lounge") they have some real stunners. Poseidon is a little bit pricy (up to 7000 Baht) and the more expensive ladies are sometimes a bit cold. Last time I was there they had a photobook.
Hi,
As someone suggested to me below, I investigated the Bangkok Gold Escorts website in search of the Model looking ladies. Well. Most of these ladies were mid-to-late 20s and far from model looking. So, this is not what I was looking for. So, the question remains. Is there a way to go beyond the plain looking ladies that populate NEP and find a trully stunning yound model types (with good attitude, however)? I am not looking for a bargain here, so as to be perfectly clear (not that I'm agains looking for one on occasion).
Thanks for all those who will provide meaningful input on this matter. Cheers! AHere are 100's of possibilites. If you can't find one, stay home.
http://www.punterlink.co.uk/escort/escort_directory/asia_cities/bangkok-escorts.htm
Pogo,
Two days of Thai lessons is not really going to cut it. Thai is very difficult to speak well early on due to pronunciation problems. There are many things (sounds and tones) that do not exist in English. Really early learners pick up some vocab but need 3 months of practice to start to get the pronunciation going okay.
So after two days of lessons, don't expect to be understood, purely due to crap pronunciation. I started learning Thai 6 hours per week for several months before my 1st trip to Thailand, not to mention the daily practice. Then learnt a lot by being with Thai girls who could not speak English. You can start studying online (like via Skype) with a Thai teacher (in Bangkok) but from whatever country you live in at reasonable prices.You're probably right. Being hard of hearing makes it even more of a challenge. After 3 trips I still only know how to say hello and thank you without messing up too much. I walked around for a day trying to say Mai Ow to the touts, but sounded like a cat in pain. That got a lot of laughs. Fortunately, I have no problem making a fool of myself. All in good fun.
I'll be in LOS for 7 weeks on this trip and even a few more words or phrases would be helpful. I'm hoping to find a teacher / guide to show me around the city and coach me a bit. I'll be visiting a good farang friend and his Thai family in Chiang Rai and hopefully can pick up a phrase or two without them laughing too much. He is extremely fluent in spoken and written Thai.
When I get to the point of retiring in LOS (soon!) I will get serious with a proper full time language school. But for now, even few new words certainly won't hurt. I'll contact one of the schools with Skype lessons, but I only have 2 weeks before I'm on my way.
Being with bar girls might help a bit. At least they understand " Go to loom and boom boom now!" Even if I don't learn any Thai from them, it will still be worth the effort <G I am half-way fluent in "chica" Spanish just from visiting the brothels in the Caribbean, at least enough to direct them in what I want.
I go to trade shows where dozens of languages are spoken and learned that for business transactions I can still use the universal translator (calculator) I find that where ever I go in the world, even if a local doesn't understand my attempts at their language, they appreciate the effort. Or at least get a good laugh from it. Laughing and smiles are the same every where.
Pogo
Member #4698
02-12-13, 23:15
As someone suggested to me below, I investigated the Bangkok Gold Escorts website in search of the Model looking ladies. Well. Most of these ladies were mid-to-late 20s and far from model looking. So, this is not what I was looking for. So, the question remains. Is there a way to go beyond the plain looking ladies that populate NEP and find a trully stunning yound model types (with good attitude, however)? I am not looking for a bargain here, so as to be perfectly clear (not that I'm agains looking for one on occasion).
Thanks for all those who will provide meaningful input on this matter. Cheers! AAs I originally warned, your expectations for model quality 9* and above girls may be too high. I hope it does not impair the success of your hunting expeditions. I personally find it is best to set my sights on friendly 7* BKK girls and to be happily surprised when someone better occasionally comes my way. That said; if you are set on going for the top tier girls, check out La Belle soapy massage parlor and the following G-Clubs: Pegasus, Sherbet, and Maiake.
La Belle ladies are priced according to their classification. Entry level La Belle girls, of whom I have shagged my fair share are mostly 7* friendly. The type I recommend. They are grouped on stage in the front of the large lounge area. Designated 'S' and 'G' girls, prices are 2700bt and 3200bt respectively for 90 minute sessions (before the Farang tax is added). Model quality girls sit to the side by the bar. A few of these girls are 8* extraordinary IMHO, but not all. 'X' and 'L' girls are priced at 5900bt + 6900bt for 90 minutes (before the Farang tax is added). Go there around 8pm. If you can't find a girl you fancy, then something may be wrong with you.
The Gentlemen clubs are the next level up. You will have to read up on the G-Club protocols, but basically figure an evening will run 10, 000bt to 12, 000bt with drinks, tips, sitting fees, and entertainment. I believe Pegasus is the only G-Club that offers take-out service. I know this service is not available at Maiake. So what does this large outlay of cash buy you? Well aside from the club's entertainment and the company of a 'model' quality girl, you have the opportunity, if you and the girl click, to arrange a rendezvous later.
I like the G-Clubs. It is not an every night thing like Baccara or Rainbow 4, but once in a while I have the urge to go Uni Hi-So. Over the course of my many visits to BKK, I have hooked up with a couple of G-Club girls so it was worth it in the long run. Based on your posts, I think the G-Club's may be the venue where you will find what you are looking for. Maybe not. I remember the first time I visited AC. I flew in from Macau where I had received the full sauna high end treatment with model quality Chinese girls for a week. I spent $300 and more every night. So I flew into AC and I started looking for only hot, hot, top quality girls. Guess what? I crashed and burned that first night. I couldn't find the right girl. At 2am I threw in the towel and I walked the 'WALK OF SHAME' through the ABC lobby without a girl on my arm. The next night I recalibrated my sights and looked for friendly 'girl next door gone bad types' and I had a blast. This is just a little warning. There are plenty of really sexy, attractive, BKK girls available who will want to show you a great time. The quality is higher than in AC or Pattaya. But don't set your sights too high or you too may walk that solo walk of shame back to your hotel room.
I look forward to your trip report. It should be very interesting.
Scorchin1470
02-12-13, 23:21
Here are 100's of possibilites. If you can't find one, stay home.
http://www.punterlink.co.uk/escort/escort_directory/asia_cities/bangkok-escorts.htmFFS, why pay twice the price for the unknown.
Seems to me picking a WG from ad ad, is about the best way to waste money. I find FLs operating in bars the best route. Get a chance to chat, size them up and strike a deal.
When lady drinks are bar prices. Next best either MPs with a good papadam / mamasan or BGs (bear inmind the cost of lady drinks. And way, way down the list punter link ads,
Where the WG bears no relation to the picture and charges yo 5000 baht for a couple of hours.
I never go with escort sites. But there is not one girl on Bangkok Gold that is not model quality? BS.
Also, they show many reviews from dudes that shoot cum in these girls mouths and fuck them in the ass.
That alone brings them up a notch or two.
Many GFE reviews.
I think you may eventually be dissapointed with the 18 yr. Old you find who is constantly on her phone, has attitude and could not fuck her way out of a paper bag.
Yes please, Let us know how it works out.
Just curious if someone else has noticed the lady who always sits outside the restaurant Subway on soi 7/1? Blonde at the moment, smoker, in her early 30's I'd guess. What's her deal, is she any good? . I've had this rule that I'd never pick up SW's but the intoxicating smiles she keeps giving me makes my little friend below want to rebel against any previous rules or regulations.
So any wisdom to share about this gorgeus lady? And yes, I'm into MILF's.
Paul Kausch
02-13-13, 00:46
Hi,
As someone suggested to me below, I investigated the Bangkok Gold Escorts website in search of the Model looking ladies. Well. Most of these ladies were mid-to-late 20s and far from model looking. So, this is not what I was looking for. So, the question remains. Is there a way to go beyond the plain looking ladies that populate NEP and find a trully stunning yound model types (with good attitude, however)? I am not looking for a bargain here, so as to be perfectly clear (not that I'm agains looking for one on occasion).
Thanks for all those who will provide meaningful input on this matter. Cheers! AI suggested Bangkok Gold. I am puzzled how you could determine their appearance from the altered thumbnails on the website, but whatever. True, the ladies I have seen from this agency have been mid-to-late-twenties.
If you're looking for a 20 year old Thai lady who has a successful modeling career, or is attractive enough to have prospects for one, become fluent in Thai and find about US$100 million, otherwise forget it. Seriously Bangkok has private gentlemen's clubs catering to very wealthy Thai men where you can find these types of ladies. If you are doing business with wealthy Thai businessmen or have close dealings with prominent Thai politicians they could bring you to one of these clubs as a guest and make introductions. Do you know anyone in the Yoovidhya family?
You may be able to buy a membership and be admitted. I have know idea how much the membership will cost. One hundred thousand bahts? A million bahts? Does anyone know? However, unless you are fluent in Thai and conspicuously wealthy, I doubt if one of these ladies will give you the time of day. Does anyone know the names and locations of a couple of these places? I've never bother to track them down as I clearly don't belong in one.
There are G-clubs that are imitations of these places. And farangs do go to them. Pegasus Grand is one. It's on Sukhumvit soi 23. I think a membership there is around THB25, 000, maybe a little more. You don't BF and negotiate ST or LT, you either wait until the establishment closes and entice the lady to leave with you or get her number and make arrangements to see her outside the club. No idea how much she will expect. High-end models in the soapies on Ratchada get about THB20, 000 for 90 minutes. Here's a link to a site that lists a number of G-Clubs.
http://www.sukhumvit-psycho.com/other-places/g-clubs/
I've never been to one of these. I have no knowledge to make an evaluation.
Cheers!
That said; if you are set on going for the top tier girls, check out La Belle soapy massage parlor and the following G-Clubs: Pegasus, Sherbet, and Maiake.
I look forward to your trip report. It should be very interesting.Thank you very much for your informative response to my post. I truly appreciate it and will endeavor to follow your valuable advise!
A
FruitNinja
02-13-13, 05:10
I will remember it next time in town.
My favorite chicken is The German place on Soi 11. They cook them on a spit out front. 199 B. Man, it is good.My little two nighter ordered enogh food to feed a family at hat place. Everything was top notch.
Paul Kausch
02-13-13, 05:34
La Belle ladies are priced according to their classification. Entry level La Belle girls, of whom I have shagged my fair share are mostly 7* friendly. The type I recommend. They are grouped on stage in the front of the large lounge area. Designated 'S' and 'G' girls, prices are 2700bt and 3200bt respectively for 90 minute sessions (before the Farang tax is added). Model quality girls sit to the side by the bar. A few of these girls are 8* extraordinary IMHO, but not all. 'X' and 'L' girls are priced at 5900bt + 6900bt for 90 minutes (before the Farang tax is added). Go there around 8pm. If you can't find a girl you fancy, then something may be wrong with you.
Thank you very much for your informative response to my post. I truly appreciate it and will endeavor to follow your valuable advise!
AHow many forum members think the service from the girls at the Ratchada MPs and similar places is particularly good? Isn't it true that the sideliners and model quality girls at these places are not particularly enthusiastic about going with a farang? Aren't these model quality girls often starfishl? Aren't they selected by the MPs because they look young and tend to be taller and have lighter complexion, consistent with the tastes of Asian men, but in the eyes of a farang are not that much more attractive than the better girls in the fishbowl?
Aibolit, I recommend you do your research carefully about these places before you get your hopes up. Just Google search Bangkok soapy massage parlor reviews. Notice that there is little about these places on this forum. What does that tell you? If you could routinely walk into one of these places and hook up with a 20 year old Patcharapa Chaichuea, every guy on the forum would be writing about their experiences.
Never been to a G-Club, though that was my suggestion in an earlier post. This is only hearsay, but I've been told the ladies are attractive, but they're seldom 18-21 years old and more likely mid to late 20's. And they often speak little if any English. In fact, I've been told they are comparable to the Bangkok Gold girls, who in my experience look better than the photos posted on the website, but they definitely are not 20 year old models.
Another option might be to go to Koi, a Japanese restaurant that started in LA. I think its somewhere around soi 20. Their policy used to be that professional models could drink and eat free. Resulting in a lot of very pretty women hanging out there. Maybe you'll get lucky.
There are many beautiful 20 year old women in Thailand. But they general do not aspire to careers in the P4P industry servicing farangs. The MPs and gogos do not attract Thailand's most beautiful women. If you are serious about finding a beautiful 20 year old Thai model, maybe you should contact a model agency. I'm serious. Worst thing that can happen is they'll politely tell you to fuck off. So what. Models are open to opportunities to hookup with wealthy, important, famous men. The problem is, it's more difficult if your not wealthy, important and famous. And it is especially difficult in Thailand if you don't speak Thai. I'm not trying to rain on the parade. Just sharing my honest opinions.
Speaking of speaking Thai. Does anyone have a recommendation for a couple days of language lessons? I'm not looking to be fluent, just enough to travel around LOS for a couple months and be able to find my way to the bathroom and stuff like that. Just very basic conversations. I'm coming in about 2 weeks and staying through Songkran. My current abilities are about four words and I think a bit more would be handy.Go to ebay and search for Pimsleur Digital Thai. For $30 you get 30. 40min lessons that you can put on your ipod / iphone or other smart device. After paying you immediately download it and transfer it to where ever you want.
I have been using it and think it is pretty good. Ofcourse, you have to dedicate and disapline yourself into learning it else don't even try.
Learn at your own pace and schedule.
Paul Kausch
02-13-13, 06:28
Go to ebay and search for Pimsleur Digital Thai. For $30 you get 30. 40min lessons that you can put on your ipod / iphone or other smart device. After paying you immediately download it and transfer it to where ever you want.
I have been using it and think it is pretty good. Ofcourse, you have to dedicate and disapline yourself into learning it else don't even try.
Learn at your own pace and schedule.You also have to follow the schedule to maximize retention. It is based on a precise time-cycle.
Hi All,
Here after a long hiatus. Feels good to be back!
Before you flame me for this post, just to remind you that I do know that LOS is a land of infinite buffet to be eaten at will. Please do not remind me.
I only have a circumstance, hence asking for useful contacts here.
I have a layover in BKK for 12+ hours starting early morning, hence cannot hunt at Baccarra like I usually love to do! But I love the quality of gals there. Hence asking senior mongers if they have any contacts of Baccarra-Certified-Lady (BCL) [I am making that up but you know what it means]. Can you please forward it to me? I wish the flight timings were more conducive to making my own trip there but unfortunately not this time. I'd love to host the BCL in my hotel room and hence asking for contacts.
If you read my old posts you would see some of my good and unpleasant experiences as well in BKK. So please do not ask me to show what I have contributed.
Looking forward to some useful PMs like I was supported by this community last time over PMs after having real bad experience in BKK. Love you folks.
There are enough hookers on tll, dia, etc. You can skype with one by yourself.
How many forum members think the service from the girls at the Ratchada MPs and similar places is particularly good? Isn't it true that the sideliners and model quality girls at these places are not particularly enthusiastic about going with a farang? Aren't these model quality girls often starfishl? Aren't they selected by the MPs because they look young and tend to be taller and have lighter complexion, consistent with the tastes of Asian men, but in the eyes of a farang are not that much more attractive than the better girls in the fishbowl?Not me. I find the service hit and miss at best. The girls are IMHO far better looking than what you find in Suk or in the GoGos. I would love to find a place with Rachada looks and Tulip performance. Not likely.
Dextro Sol
02-14-13, 03:54
A few years ago I went to leave my wife at Suvarnabhumi in the middle of the nigt. She was going back home a few days before me. On the way back to my hotel in Suk soi 11 the taxi driver asked me if I wanted company for the night and stopped by in some street with a lot of streetwalkers. From what I could see from the car they were young and goodlooking. I was only interested to go back, so I told the driver I was not interested.
Anybody have an idea were this could have been? It was a cheap ride from the airport, so I don't think the driver took any detour.
Anybody have an idea were this could have been?Could have been Thanon Kamphaeng Phet 7, near Petchburi Road, but it'S rather a locals spot
Crazy4Thai
02-14-13, 04:46
OK, maybe you don't know how it works but if you post your questions openly on the board and get know response, REPEATEDLY PM'ing me the same questions gets you ignored. Get it?
Just curious if someone else has noticed the lady who always sits outside the restaurant Subway on soi 7/1? Blonde at the moment, smoker, in her early 30's I'd guess. What's her deal, is she any good? . I've had this rule that I'd never pick up SW's but the intoxicating smiles she keeps giving me makes my little friend below want to rebel against any previous rules or regulations.
So any wisdom to share about this gorgeus lady? And yes, I'm into MILF's.I saw her every night outside subway. I don't like her, I think she is little bit ugly but is my personal thinking.
Sorry I don't get it!
OK, maybe you don't know how it works but if you post your questions openly on the board and get no response, REPEATEDLY PM'ing me the same questions gets you ignored. Get it?
AsiaTraveler2
02-14-13, 07:42
I am arriving at Bangkok international airport at around 3:30pm on Oct 21th which is a Monday.
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You sure do plan well ahead. <cut>LOL! You missed the best part. He's talking about 2014! .
Kudos for planning ahead. Making plans for my return, after more than three years away. By far, my longest time away. Soi 33 dying, Sabai Sabai at a new location, so much catching up to do!
AT2
Dextro Sol
02-14-13, 08:56
Could have been Thanon Kamphaeng Phet 7, near Petchburi Road, but it'S rather a locals spotVery possible after looking it up on google maps. It didn't seem like a tourist spot, more like more as you say, like a locals pick up place.
Paul Kausch
02-14-13, 09:22
Very possible after looking it up on google maps. It didn't seem like a tourist spot, more like more as you say, like a locals pick up place.If you're referring to the place I'm thinking of, there's a short stretch, adjacent to railroad tracks, that is a popular spot with locals. Action starts late at night; food carts set up; lot's of FL; ladies are't bad looking but don't speak English; good prices. Almost entirely locals. No problem with a farang going there. Just not common. Taxi driver's know the location.
Tony Hoeprano
02-14-13, 09:56
Good job. You are my new hero! One who sees things that I see. LOL.
Most of these guys here think are are GODS gift to thai women.Nobody is god's gift to Thai women here, except for the great LuvPUSS. How he seduces hot girls willing to eat his ass is remarkable!
AsiaTraveler2
02-14-13, 10:05
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There are G-clubs that are imitations of these places. And farangs do go to them. Pegasus Grand is one. It's on Sukhumvit soi 23. I think a membership there is around THB25, 000, maybe a little more. You don't BF and negotiate ST or LT, you either wait until the establishment closes and entice the lady to leave with you or get her number and make arrangements to see her outside the club. No idea how much she will expect. High-end models in the soapies on Ratchada get about THB20, 000 for 90 minutes. Here's a link to a site that lists a number of G-Clubs.
http://www.sukhumvit-psycho.com/other-places/g-clubs/
I've never been to one of these. I have no knowledge to make an evaluation.
Cheers!The G-Clubs are a fun place to kick back. Have a drink. Most mongers will knock them as too expensive for something that doesn't guarantee getting laid. I approach it as something different and a change of pace. Try to get a few numbers, membership is not required, nice selection of woman, some of them have good bands. The Pent had a nice selection. They had a pool room (the kind with water not green felt), a bar and stage area, and what looked like private rooms. The G-Clubs are part hostess club, part night club. A combination of the HKG, Japan, Korea, and PI clubs. I got a couple of numbers, and had a good time. St. Moritz was great, Forte was slow but I did find a hottie, Pegasus was different but did not like the vibe. I had some interest in the Bank, but it looks like they closed.
The Pent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYGHZdZbD1o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX2N8h5pWFE
AT2
Anybody have an idea were this could have been? It was a cheap ride from the airport, so I don't think the driver took any detour.It was most likely the street behind LaBelle.
Franciscass
02-14-13, 16:22
[QUOTE=Harold444; 1386240]Good job. You are my new hero! One who sees things that I see. LOL.
Most of these guys here think are are GODS gift to thai women.
Especially Doc, girls usually pass out from ecstatic exhaustion having lost count of the number of times they "finished".
Nobody is god's gift to Thai women here, except for the great LuvPUSS. How he seduces hot girls willing to eat his ass is remarkable!This "seduction" sounds like too much work. For a tip model stunner 1000 Baht ST TGs will eat out your ass till it grows a crop of corn.
Veteran expats probably get it cheaper & w / o the gratuity.
I expect AC to even surpass that, & hope to explore the possibilities there later this year.
Paul Kausch
02-14-13, 17:00
The G-Clubs are a fun place to kick back. Have a drink. Most mongers will knock them as too expensive for something that doesn't guarantee getting laid. I approach it as something different and a change of pace. Try to get a few numbers, membership is not required, nice selection of woman, some of them have good bands. The Pent had a nice selection. They had a pool room (the kind with water not green felt) , a bar and stage area, and what looked like private rooms. The G-Clubs are part hostess club, part night club. A combination of the HKG, Japan, Korea, and PI clubs. I got a couple of numbers, and had a good time. St. Moritz was great, Forte was slow but I did find a hottie, Pegasus was different but did not like the vibe. I had some interest in the Bank, but it looks like they closed.
The Pent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYGHZdZbD1o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX2N8h5pWFE
AT2Thanks for the post. I was interested in visiting one of these until I started to read negative reviews. My impression was that they are over priced and over rated, but your remarks cause me to rethink that attitude. Great news no membership is required. Is there a one time admittance charge? How would you rate the attractiveness of the girls? Their personalities? In general of course. Are their English skills decent? I noticed the announcer in the second video was speaking Thai. How many of the customers are farangs versus Thai versus other Asians? Any idea? Curious why you say,"No guarantee of getting laid." Wouldn't a nice looking, well dressed, likable guy who makes an "attractive offer" be almost certain of getting laid?
Sorry to bombard you with so many questions. I'm very curious.
Paul Kausch
02-14-13, 17:54
The G-Clubs are a fun place to kick back. Have a drink. Most mongers will knock them as too expensive for something that doesn't guarantee getting laid. I approach it as something different and a change of pace. Try to get a few numbers, membership is not required, nice selection of woman, some of them have good bands. The Pent had a nice selection. They had a pool room (the kind with water not green felt) , a bar and stage area, and what looked like private rooms. The G-Clubs are part hostess club, part night club. A combination of the HKG, Japan, Korea, and PI clubs. I got a couple of numbers, and had a good time. St. Moritz was great, Forte was slow but I did find a hottie, Pegasus was different but did not like the vibe. I had some interest in the Bank, but it looks like they closed.
The Pent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYGHZdZbD1o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX2N8h5pWFE
AT2Found this review of The Pent.
http://massageentertanmentinbangkok.********.com/2009/02/pent-bangkok.html
No idea how recent, but it gives an idea of prices when the review was written.
LOL! You missed the best part. He's talking about 2014! .
Kudos for planning ahead. Making plans for my return, after more than three years away. By far, my longest time away. Soi 33 dying, Sabai Sabai at a new location, so much catching up to do!
AT2No, coming Oct 21, 2013. I do like to plan ahead and read up on everything I can. I have been to Bangkok a couple of times but that was over 5 years ago and I know that Bangkok changes very fast. I already have booked my Hotels in both Bangkok and Pattaya. If I know my schedule, why wait until the last minute to do the home work.
[QUOTE=Harold444; 1386240]Good job. You are my new hero! One who sees things that I see. LOL.
Most of these guys here think are are GODS gift to thai women.
Especially Doc, girls usually pass out from ecstatic exhaustion having lost count of the number of times they "finished".What can I say I come from Scotland! There are those who are Scottish and those who wish they were.
Regards,
BJ
Found this review of The Pent.
http://massageentertanmentinbangkok.********.com/2009/02/pent-bangkok.html
No idea how recent, but it gives an idea of prices when the review was written.Pent and these other places cater to Falang. Much better girls at the places where the girls don't speak English.
FruitNinja
02-15-13, 01:20
No offense to anyone but what mr paul said about agogos not attracting stunners is so freaking true! Agogos are stocked with many pretty girls on down to the downright ugly. Stunners rather sit on couches waiting for their prey or are members only hookers. LOL.
In 8 years I can honestly say I've seen only one stunner and that was in patpong of all places. A stunner being one you can't take your eyes off and a great body to match the face.
My favorite rainbow 4 I can safely say there are no stunners at the moment. Maybe 1 a level down from stunner status! Baccara got nothing as far as stunners go. Rainbow 2- nada!What's a stunner? The most beautiful woman in the world was Isabella Rossellini, I bet 90% of this forum would disagree. Yet she was the face of Lancome for years. For me Baccara had the best talent. Rainbow-4 a few steps down. The overall winners were the coyote girls at Tilac. I could probably nut watching one dance for 5 minutes.
Paul Kausch
02-15-13, 01:52
What's a stunner? The most beautiful woman in the world was Isabella Rossellini, I bet 90% of this forum would disagree. Yet she was the face of Lancome for years. For me Baccara had the best talent. Rainbow-4 a few steps down. The overall winners were the coyote girls at Tilac. I could probably nut watching one dance for 5 minutes.This is a very good point that actually fascinates me.
There are certain standards of beauty, which can be measured and interestingly consist of statistically average faces. A face where every feature is average for the population of women within that culture (the nose is average size and the distance between the eyes is average and and and etc). There are cultural differences. For example, at the height of her career Audrey Hepburn was considered incredibly beautiful by the Japanese because of her very slender, linear body and unusually long and slender neck. However individual men find particular attractive women more or less attractive.
I was making a general statement. My point was that I have generally been disappointed at the Ratchada soapies and I think the sideliners and model girls are overpriced. Also because farangs are less likely to go to these establishments these women have less experience with them and many are uncomfortable with farang men. I once did two ladies at the same time at Poseidon. One was older and more experienced (I'd guess she was mid-20's). The other was petite and looked barely 20. The younger lady stared uncomfortably when she saw my erect cock (and I'm only a little larger than average.) Her performance was terrible. I think most mongers are unimpressed by the Ratchada soapies.
This discussion was prompted by a new forum member who wanted to find young model types. Le belle was recommended. I just wanted the guy to be aware of general opinions about that type of MP. I think the issue is now moot because a knowledgable member recommend G-Clubs. I poo-pooed these in an earlier post, but frankly after doing some research, I think other than the cost, they sound like an interesting option and may be perfect for our new member.
Paul Kausch
02-15-13, 02:01
Pent and these other places cater to Falang. Much better girls at the places where the girls don't speak English.Yes, I've been told that by Thai businessmen. The best way to gain access to the best women is to learn at least a modest amount of Thai and get to know successful Thai businessmen. They'll take you to places that are off our radar and you'll meet the cream of the crop.
I found a recent post on G-Clubs that interested members may wish to read.
http://www.livingthai.org/complete-guide-to-gentlemens-clubs-in-bangkok-bangkok-coyote-clubs.html
Pent isn't mentioned.
The new member who was looking for young model types may find the review very worthwhile reading.
Cheers!
AsiaTraveler2
02-15-13, 03:21
You sure do plan well ahead. In the Pattaya thread you said you were coming with friends. If that is the case then it would definitely be smarter to take a taxi. Especially since you have never been there before. Keep in mind that you would need to get a minivan or van because the natural gas tanks are in the trunk and 3 people with luggage more than likely would not fit in one of the regular car taxis. By the time you add up the train fares you could have paid for a taxi.
No, coming Oct 21, 2013. I do like to plan ahead and read up on everything I can. I have been to Bangkok a couple of times but that was over 5 years ago and I know that Bangkok changes very fast. I already have booked my Hotels in both Bangkok and Pattaya. If I know my schedule, why wait until the last minute to do the home work.Just a joke. Planning ahead is great. Have a blast!
AT2
Just a joke. Planning ahead is great. Have a blast!
AT2Sorry, I thought you had misunderstood my travel date. Thanks, I hope to have a good trip with all the planning and information.
PS, some of the friends that I am traveling with also thought that I am planning too early. One friend has actually traveled to Bangkok without even booking a room a couple of years ago. I don't think he will be doing that again since he was walking around nana area going from hotel to hotel to see if they had a room. Finally found a room at a price higher than he wanted to pay.
No offense to anyone but what mr paul said about agogos not attracting stunners is so freaking true! Agogos are stocked with many pretty girls on down to the downright ugly. Stunners rather sit on couches waiting for their prey or are members only hookers. LOL.
In 8 years I can honestly say I've seen only one stunner and that was in patpong of all places. A stunner being one you can't take your eyes off and a great body to match the face.
My favorite rainbow 4 I can safely say there are no stunners at the moment. Maybe 1 a level down from stunner status! Baccara got nothing as far as stunners go. Rainbow 2- nada!Agree with you 100. I don't see "stunners" in gogo bars. Pretty is about tops. I see stunners walking around the better malls and on platforms at auto shows, etc, not at gogo bars.
You also have to follow the schedule to maximize retention. It is based on a precise time-cycle.Yes, and no different than any other language Learning technique. You have to revisit somewhat frequently or you don't grow into the language.
No offense to anyone but what mr paul said about agogos not attracting stunners is so freaking true! Agogos are stocked with many pretty girls on down to the downright ugly. Stunners rather sit on couches waiting for their prey or are members only hookers. LOL.
In 8 years I can honestly say I've seen only one stunner and that was in patpong of all places. A stunner being one you can't take your eyes off and a great body to match the face.
My favorite rainbow 4 I can safely say there are no stunners at the moment. Maybe 1 a level down from stunner status! Baccara got nothing as far as stunners go. Rainbow 2- nada!Funny how peoples standards vary from person to person. Guys here have been posting all over the place about how many stunners they saw in one place and then the other. Now we have people popping up and implying it is a very rare sighting. I bet the uglier the guy is the more stunners that person tends to see.
Good job. You are my new hero! One who sees things that I see. LOL.
Most of these guys here think are are GODS gift to thai women, when truthfully most guys here go for the cheap shit. LOL.I would not say most of them but without a doubt they are here. Maybe 2 or 3 of them.
Paul Kausch
02-15-13, 05:43
Funny how peoples standards vary from person to person. Guys here have been posting all over the place about how many stunners they saw in one place and then the other. Now we have people popping up and implying it is a very rare sighting. I bet the uglier the guy is the more stunners that person tends to see.Another post that brings up an interesting point. I know my personal beauty scale changes with the context. I might describe a rather average looking girl as attractive if she works at an MP, costs 600 + 1500 and gave a great PSE. That same girl I would describe as awful if I paid 8, 000 for her as an escort. Similarly, if I was looking for a model to appear in an ad for a fashion or beauty product I wished to advertise, an 8, 000 baht escort that I would describe as fantastic looking and rate as a "9" would be too unattractive for use in my ad.
Many of the posts that praise a girl's appearance are about experiences with girls at Cherry, Mango, Tulip, etc. We go to these looking for a PSE. If we are lucky enough to get a skillful and very enthusiastic three-hole girl who is willing to get really nasty, and she is a little better looking than average, we might describe her as being really great looking because based on past experiences we don't expect to get that level of service from a girl who is that good looking, even though "that good looking" is really not that good looking. A mediocre loud speaker sounds better if you compare it to a poor quality speaker versus a high-end speaker. Context is critical.
I think this confuses newcomers to the forum with no previous mongering experience. They read posts that describe a particular girl as attractive. They go to the MP, see the girl in the lineup and think,"what the fuck." If they spent a year living and mongering in Bangkok, their perspective would change.
[QUOTE=Harold444; 1386240]Most of these guys here think are are GODS gift to thai women.Don't really think that most here care about being "gods gift" Harold. That was the entire point of coming over here. You did not have to play the same "game" you play with women in the West. Of course that has all changed now with guys creating the same situation here they had back home.
Personally, I just want 90 min of good service. Interaction beyond that is a waste of time imho. If I wanted to "have game" and felt the need to feed my ego, I would have stayed in the states.
Member #4387
02-15-13, 05:56
Wow what a start.
Met at BKK of one from my regular girl fleet as she has a car and lives close to Suvarnaphul. She picked me up, drove to Gran President got a blow job in the hotels car park. Fulfilled with popping nr 1 at room after check in. Nice giving girl.
As my arrival at 06am and BBBJ and FS made me kind of tired I slept for a few hours.
Met up at Beergarden at 3pm for daytime ST session. Met this great girl named Maria. She was caring and loving and we had great chemistry. Pre interview went great and she agreed for everything incl backdoorentry. She stayed from 4 to 6pm and she quoted 1500BHT but I gave her 2000BHT for great performance (multiple pops, BBBJ, anal, cim, cot, rimming etc). We agreed to meet later in the evening to rock BKK but later it showed she was needed 5000BHT for spending the holoe evening with me so I send her off and went out on a escursion on my own.
At 9pm I went to Soi 8 and to a bar which name is forgotten (when you enter Soi 8 from Sukhumvit you take first to the right and it is a rather shabby but cosy bar with nice attitude staff working there. Had some sort of agreement to rendeveue with an oldtimer girl who is up for some nasty sex business but she was so delayed so I could not wait anymore. As the lazy prick I have become I also send one of the staff to withdraw money for me. This girl can be trusted. Yes I know this was stupid but everything went well.
Went to the German eatiry across the street from Grand President and had some sauerkrat and sausages. Met up with a friendly German bloke. He was chatting up the waitress agreeing to meet her at Climax when her shift ended at 2am. We went to my room for some change of outfit and a quick shower (only me while the german guy sat in livingroom drinking. Not gay, hehe).
We took taxi to Climax (around 100mts). This is allways a winner as the drivers get commision of 200BHT from Climax. Good money for the driver for little effort. We ordered one btl of Absolute with extras and asked the manager to find us nice girls. My girl was a sweet 32 year old named Bia. She was a great girl, great attitude and body slim and fit. Good chemistry. I have had my amount of girls but this was one of my better experiences as she from the blue asked for also anal sex as she had this hidden fetish beeing popped hard in the barn. Back in the room I was kind enough to make her wish come through. She was maby a 7-8 in body, and a 9 for performance. She did everything my Beergarden girl did with no exceptions. Extremely happy and I woke up not many minutes ago with her smoking my bandit. The last time I checked my bandit was deep in her ass (must have tasted good). No money talk but as a hidden agreement I put 3000BHT in her purse as she showered. She smiled when she saw the notes.
Now it is off to Pattaya where I hope I will pop my Soi 6 cherry (never been there before) as I have a norwegian friend who will guide me through some nasty stuffs.
AsiaTraveler2
02-15-13, 07:30
Thanks for the post. I was interested in visiting one of these until I started to read negative reviews. My impression was that they are over priced and over rated, but your remarks cause me to rethink that attitude. Great news no membership is required. Is there a one time admittance charge? How would you rate the attractiveness of the girls? Their personalities? In general of course. Are their English skills decent? I noticed the announcer in the second video was speaking Thai. How many of the customers are farangs versus Thai versus other Asians? Any idea? Curious why you say,"No guarantee of getting laid." Wouldn't a nice looking, well dressed, likable guy who makes an "attractive offer" be almost certain of getting laid?
Sorry to bombard you with so many questions. I'm very curious.Most will say they are overpriced and overrated. It's like the other posters question,"what's a stunner". Like anything else, it's in the eyes of the beholder. If your main purpose is to spend a week in BKK and get laid 8 times a day or if you are on a tight budget, then the G-Clubs are not the way to go. If you are someone who just likes different experiences and do not mind dropping 3,000 baht or more to drink and take your chances at a pickup, then you may be ok with the format. I like to get laid, get a massage, eat, drink, get laid, do a tourist thing, get laid, drink, eat, get a massage, hit a soapy, pop into a go-go, visit a G-Club. Did I say get laid? Variety is the spice of life. The G-Club is a change up for me.
Each G-Club is a little different. Pegasus had a bar-fine when I went there more than a decade ago. I think the beers were 400 baht and the girls drinks were 800 baht. The Pent, I heard has a 10 drink buyout (never bothered to confirm). You pay for the drinks, the girls drinks, and food. It's pricey, so you can go through 3,000 baht or more in a few hours time. The place has a lot of energy when it is packed, which I like a lot. You talk to the girl, try to get a number. They will meet you after hours. I did not see any leave early. English skills are very weak, not really any different than most go-go girls. I thought the Pent girls I saw, were better looking than the video I included in my last post. St. Moritz had some head turners too. They are not twice as beautiful as the go-go and soapy girls. Go-Go girls can be 1's to 7's, and the occasional 8. The G-Clubs are more like the soapies. More 7's and 8's, and the occasional 9. I read that the Pent requires that you buy a bottle (3,000 baht) , but I don't remember buying a bottle. I went a member of this board (Thai, so that helped) , but I also went back on my own too. I would say 90% or more of the people in the G-Clubs are asian.
I won't get into the odds of getting laid, because it depends on too many factors. Like how high you aim. I hit often enough to make it fun, to try again.
AT2
Western787
02-15-13, 12:01
What's a stunner?I did hear this one sort of bizarre definition, perhaps one of many.
STUNNER (as defined in regard to the Thailand P4P industry). A woman "-" occasionally found in Go Go bars, soapies, or escort agencies but more often in G clubs, working for a modeling agency, partying in discos, strolling through malls, pretend "studying" at the university, or hanging with German multi millionaires living in 5 star penthouse Bangkok hotel suites who take videos for kicks "-" of such amazing beauty that even a poor bloke is compelled to sponsor, such beauty then proceeding to rack up bills so high that when presented to the sponsor, such sponsor is then shocked ("stunned") into either complete unconciousness or semi conciousness when he realizes his entire net worth has been wiped out in one month.
example "The bloke sponsored this bird in Bangkok, a real stunner, and he's now doing 3 years in debtors prison"
Paul Kausch
02-15-13, 17:39
Wow!
Even this guy is now equivocating. What a disappointment.Is this equivocating? I'm just saying the evaluative scale is effected by the context, as are the meaning of words. If you don't understand the context, you may misinterpret the meaning.
I did hear this one sort of bizarre definition, perhaps one of many.
STUNNER (as defined in regard to the Thailand P4P industry). A woman "-" occasionally found in Go Go bars, soapies, or escort agencies but more often in G clubs, working for a modeling agency, partying in discos, strolling through malls, pretend "studying" at the university, or hanging with German multi millionaires living in 5 star penthouse Bangkok hotel suites who take videos for kicks "-" of such amazing beauty that even a poor bloke is compelled to sponsor, such beauty then proceeding to rack up bills so high that when presented to the sponsor, such sponsor is then shocked ("stunned") into either complete unconciousness or semi conciousness when he realizes his entire net worth has been wiped out in one month.
Example "The bloke sponsored this bird in Bangkok, a real stunner, and he's now doing 3 years in debtors prison""Stunner" has many definitions according to the individual who is viewing it. With that said it is also elementary,"Stunner" is a girl that on first impression leaves you "Stunned". Some girls are just pretty, some cute but a "Stunner" makes you stop in your tracks and step back, hence the word "Stunned".
Dave Carrera
02-15-13, 23:14
I think that my buddies and I will be able to figure out what to do at night, but a great private guide can add a lot to the day time sightseeing. I'd appreciate any and all recommendations; feel free to post here or PM me.
Thanks,
Dave
Very odd how you describe good body and good performance. LOL. You left out facial attractiveness, we want to know what kind of face you got for your money!Who cares. I am sure she was not a hag.
He had good chemistry, seemed to really like her, and her performance was stellar.
I think that my buddies and I will be able to figure out what to do at night, but a great private guide can add a lot to the day time sightseeing. I'd appreciate any and all recommendations; feel free to post here or PM me.
Thanks,
DaveMy suggestion is to party in soi 33 the night before and take a girl out long time. The women there have better English skills, are somewhat more service oriented and they fancy themselves as more upscale than other hookers in LOS and in fact may be in some regard (one example – one girl I had asked me to show her how to make a great Tanqueray and tonic then proceeded to proudly pour our drinks the rest of the night. Couldn't learn to roll but that's a different story).
It'll cost a little more but I'm sure the girl you choose will be more than happy to take you around during the daytime and she'll be a pleasure to be with.
In my recent experience Go-Go girls these days seem too flighty and unreliable to count on, freelancers are more of a gamble and I haven't much experience with massage girls.
Scorchin1470
02-16-13, 02:12
I think that my buddies and I will be able to figure out what to do at night, but a great private guide can add a lot to the day time sightseeing. I'd appreciate any and all recommendations; feel free to post here or PM me.
Thanks,
DaveYou can google escorts and find WGs at 12, 000 baht for a day who would be only too pleased to show you round rather have you bedding them. There are many tour operators who will equally be happy to take your money to show you the sights. And their tailor, and their 'specially cheap' jewellery shop. But finding a private guide will not be easy.
A couple of years backI picked up an FL atG one lunch time and we did a tour of parts of Bangkok by m / see, taxi and BTS with the promise of a generous tip after a ST at my hotel mid-evening.
But that sort of set up takes time to organise.
I'm glad that I've sparked a discussion about G-clubs and in general about places where a model-looking gilrs can be had. I've learned a lot from everyone's posts on this matter.
After some research, I've concluded that I would:
1. Focus on regular go-go bars at NPE for regular take-out experience.
2. Try top soapies that reportedly have truly beautiful girls (if I only had a chance to interact with them before choosing. I'd be able to know, if they will be a "starfish" or better. Alas, this I understand is not an option).
3. Try G-clubs, but ONLY if I have a wingman (anyone in BKK in April?). This is because most top G-clubs a loud and land themselves to someone who plans multiple visits (not my case). Plus, I don't speak ANY Thai. So, I need at least someone / wingman there who will understand English and will save the evening for me (and vise-versa) in case things don't go too well.
I wonder, if other people came to similar plan of action.
Best, A
He claims he never pays! Practice your lieing guys if you want FREE BKK pussy!Has he figured out yet he does not need to pay airfare to Thailand to practice his ingenious plan?
How long did it take for him to figure this out anyway? Ha ha ha.
Pull that shite in the DR and the girls would have him in jailed might quick with everyone that can help him holding their hand out so it is a good thing he is in the LOS.
Karma will get him sooner or later.
Don't really think that most here care about being "gods gift" Harold.Yes, most don't, though without a doubt there are some here that definitely do. I can't remember his handle but the guy who posts up about his multiple girl cream-pie antics then immediately states how a good percentage of the girls he is with completely enjoyed the rouging and DATY he threw their way. Not sure he will ever get clued in. LOL
Paul Kausch
02-16-13, 04:16
I'm glad that I've sparked a discussion about G-clubs and in general about places where a model-looking gilrs can be had. I've learned a lot from everyone's posts on this matter.
After some research, I've concluded that I would:
1. Focus on regular go-go bars at NPE for regular take-out experience.
2. Try top soapies that reportedly have truly beautiful girls (if I only had a chance to interact with them before choosing. I'd be able to know, if they will be a "starfish" or better. Alas, this I understand is not an option).
3. Try G-clubs, but ONLY if I have a wingman (anyone in BKK in April?). This is because most top G-clubs a loud and land themselves to someone who plans multiple visits (not my case). Plus, I don't speak ANY Thai. So, I need at least someone / wingman there who will understand English and will save the evening for me (and vise-versa) in case things don't go too well.
I wonder, if other people came to similar plan of action.
Best, AIf you go to the upscale soapies on and around Ratchada you'll probably want to check out the models upstairs. They will be in a lounge like setting and you can interact to a degree.
A wingman fort he G-Clubs make sense from what I've read as you could buy a bottle together and share some of the expense.
Member #4387
02-16-13, 05:44
Very odd how you describe good body and good performance. LOL. You left out facial attractiveness, we want to know what kind of face you got for your money!Herold I love to hate you but to your defence I have to say you have a certain mildness in your postings these days as you earlier where way off and mostly I could not take you seriously. You were an irritating prick, hehe.
My weakness in my mongering is photos. I get to excited and horny so I mostly forget about it even if I know that could be a nice thing to do for the others mongering crowd out there.
I have spend one crazy night in Pattaya with additional pussywork. Nice spinner picked from a bar (and I don't do barfines) as I am mostly in the FL market (I guess we see some changes from now on hehe). I have no idea of the name but it was in some barcomplex just across the street from Mikes shopping mall (second Road I guess it is called).
Sat me back the ironic price of 300bht in barfine. She was not Lucy Thai lookalike but had great attitude and a ok body and face. All in all a 5-6 but performancewice she was a 8. She was new in the game (fresh from the farm) so I did some teaching in mongering and how to be customerfriendly. We were supposed to hit Insomnia but I needed a pitstop in room for a quick shower and change in outfit. It turned out this was as far as I got as me and her made out hardly in bed. Multiple possisionchanges, assfriendly and more or less a giver. She had obtained quite a Bush down in her croatch, and normaly I like it shaved, but she made me feel like this forestworker licking her and spitting hair. She tasted good and fresh. Condom was optional so I chosed to bb her as she as earlier stated was fresh from the farm.
My dick is still hanging on so maby I will cover up soon. Don't now how far I can push my luck std wice. But I check regulary myself and from the hundreds of girls I have done I realy not obtained anything serious. I did have the clap once from a norwegian girl 10 years ago or sth. Maby I am immune to std hehe. No guys I take it seriously but upon my Philly monger session, starting Sunday 17 of Feb, I don't know if that is right time to start a new and better life.
Bare in mind I speak / write with a humoristic twist ok (english not my org language). Happy mongering.
2. Try top soapies that reportedly have truly beautiful girls (if I only had a chance to interact with them before choosing. I'd be able to know, if they will be a "starfish" or better. Alas, this I understand is not an option).
Best, AIn most upscale soapies you can request mamasan that you want to have a brief chat with the girl before you choose.
Tony Hoeprano
02-16-13, 06:51
I've had great experiences and not so great experiences in upscale soapies. My first time there the girl, I think she originated from the south, just couldn't handle all my meat, and by no means will I ever be miskaten for Jonah Falcon LOL.
Another time that riled me up was when the Papasan suggested that the sideline girls were not available and the only girls available for me were the fishbowls. He seemed like a shady bastard so I left with a joker-like grin so I left. I would deduce that the sideliners were there for the regular Thai customer. I guess in a way I don't blame them, but if they were why even bother making them seemingly available.
FreebieFan
02-16-13, 07:01
Had a few days in BKK either side of a Phnomh Penh trip. Did this did that etcetc.
One interesting aspect of trip was that I've started using wechat, and got chatting with one cute girl. Nice wholesome pics and she sends me lots of sweet voice files etc. We never got to meet as I was regularly busy, and she seemed like a wholesome " looking for love type girl " but one of the last pics she sent me was her in very pink room. I asked her where she had taken the pic. She says " at work ".
She then reveals she's been working in Annies soapy for a year. Nice looking gal. 31.
Life has many suprises.
Western787
02-16-13, 09:49
I'm glad that I've sparked a discussion about G-clubs and in general about places where a model-looking girls can be had. Let me make sure I have this strait, you're "attracted solely to model types" "very slim","young (18-23)" with "fresh gorgeous face(s) a must" with a "playful attitude" "long legs" and a "passionate" nature, ideally "gorgeous teenies that are non pros", preferably free but will pay, but not too much as you're on a budget, and you also often request and usually prefer bareback FS and bareback anal?
LOL, nobody would ever accuse you of lacking Hutzpah.
Let me make sure I have this strait, you're "attracted solely to model types" "very slim","young (18-23)" with "fresh gorgeous face (s) a must" with a "playful attitude" "long legs" and a "passionate" nature, ideally "gorgeous teenies that are non pros", preferably free but will pay, but not too much as you're on a budget, and you also often request and usually prefer bareback FS and bareback anal?
LOL, nobody would ever accuse you of lacking Hutzpah.You clearly have done a serious investigative work of my output. Hence opulent quotes from my past. You certainly have more time than I do and I congratulate you for that. As for bareback. Never ever did I ask for that in a single post. Hutzpah however I have plenty, which enabled me in the past to obtain what was desired.
Have fun!
A
Western787
02-16-13, 20:36
You clearly have done a serious investigative work of my output. Hence opulent quotes from my past. You certainly have more time than I do and I congratulate you for that. As for bareback. Never ever did I ask for that in a single post. Hutzpah however I have plenty, which enabled me in the past to obtain what was desired.
Have fun!
A I'm just a very fast reader, but in any case your posts are excellent and there is absolutely nothing wrong with having ultra high standards. As you know some of the posters in here have extraordinary levels of expertise, insight, and experience with 1000's of posts, and with many of them I have looked at a lot of their legacy posts, and while that can take a lot of time, since you have few posts, it didn't take very long to review.
However a plain meaning interpretation of the following paragraph by you on your 11-04-11 Sao Paulo post made me (since you use the word "compensated") believe that among your very high other requirements, you also do request bareback. At that point I had to laugh out loud, and say to myself "this guy really has chutzpah." Apparently I am mistaken, sorry about that, if that is the case.
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On my way back, I passed Casarao. In spite of my last report, I decided to sacrifice 10R to pick inside, being encouraged by the lack of long line of low-lifes at the entrance. Insiide, the atmosphere was much better than the last time I visited, with more space to move and breath. I spotted 2 girls that fit my criteria above. Negotiated the same way 150R, plus 25R for the room. Went to the room. The girl was very hot and nice, but when the close came off, I noticed unpleasant markes of former pregnancy, with serious stretch marks on the stomack and soggy tits. While during the negotiations she announced that she won't do anal or BBJ without a condom, she compensated somewhat with friendly disposition. Given that the room was less hideous than the one I used last time, I withdraw my unconditional "no" to Casarao now. It still to uncivilized for my taste, but is a good value for a quickie, when the latter is in dire need.
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Western787
02-16-13, 21:04
looking at the original quote "she won't do anal or bbj without a condom"
obviously you meant she 1. won't do anal at all 2. won't do bbbj either. nor did you mention fs per se.
ok, i will drop your chutzpah level down a notch.
guys, particularly **** 40, reasonably good looking, who are extremely wealthy probably have similar standards to yours."gorgeous young model types" is often their target zone. for example the "righteous dude" global nanpa german national guy who has done a fantastic job with his videos, while he probably favors mid 20's, obviously has very high standards, and has posted many videos of model types, although personally for his own situation i think i he likes them a little shorter. some of the most beautiful women in the world actually are right in bangkok, but they understand or soon figure out their value on an international basis. maybe in true third world countries like burma there are still untapped beauties in the countryside just hitting age 18 and 19 in vast numbers who don't quite fully comphrehend yet their international value, but i believe its a very dangerous country at the moment for anyone operating in the rural areas.
AsiaTraveler2
02-16-13, 21:20
I'm glad that I've sparked a discussion about G-clubs and in general about places where a model-looking gilrs can be had. I've learned a lot from everyone's posts on this matter.
After some research, I've concluded that I would:
1. Focus on regular go-go bars at NPE for regular take-out experience.
2. Try top soapies that reportedly have truly beautiful girls (if I only had a chance to interact with them before choosing. I'd be able to know, if they will be a "starfish" or better. Alas, this I understand is not an option).
3. Try G-clubs, but ONLY if I have a wingman (anyone in BKK in April?). This is because most top G-clubs a loud and land themselves to someone who plans multiple visits (not my case). Plus, I don't speak ANY Thai. So, I need at least someone / wingman there who will understand English and will save the evening for me (and vise-versa) in case things don't go too well.
I wonder, if other people came to similar plan of action.
Best, AWhile you are at the Soapies, see if you can get the girls phone number. I have gone out with a few on their "holiday". Dinner, movie, and an all nighter. No barfine. I am not sure how it works for the girls. If they have freedom to choose their days off. It was worth it to me, since a few of them turned out to be real GFE's. I am not sure if it is timing and luck, or if they can actually just call in and take the day off. Two of them had sponsors from Japan. Gave them some money on their way home, even though money was not brought up in any conversation.
AT2
Member #4387
02-16-13, 22:41
While you are at the Soapies, see if you can get the girls phone number. I have gone out with a few on their "holiday". Dinner, movie, and an all nighter. No barfine. I am not sure how it works for the girls. If they have freedom to choose their days off. It was worth it to me, since a few of them turned out to be real GFE's. I am not sure if it is timing and luck, or if they can actually just call in and take the day off. Two of them had sponsors from Japan. Gave them some money on their way home, even though money was not brought up in any conversation. AT2If Go Go or Bargirls is a must I have to say you can also find additional modellookingtypeofgirls in the FL market. I use this market all the time and yes maby a few of my spinners come fresh from the Go Go, Bar or G-Club they anyway hit a nightclub after their work is done. Then you have good options negotiating without hitting this, in my opinion, stupid BF (even if I did a BF in my recently Pattaya trip, hehe). I just want to advice as maby some new readers only read last 10+ postings in a normal thread.
But I have say I have a few modellookingtypesofgirls in my regular BKK fleet. They sure know their value as they are rather picky. These girls you dont see with a 70yr old farang guy. They are choosy bcs they can be and even if some of them have normal decent highpaid work/jobs I guess a few of them earn that additional earnings from like a G Club or sth. When I arrived at BKK a few days ago I was picked up at Suvarnaphul from one of them and I mean when a young spinning girls drives her own BMW530i(i even checked the ownerspapers in the glowdepartment) then she has some money(atleast in Norway this is a highly priced car ranging from approx US200000 and up to the finest model) from both good work and maby some good extra earnings.. I have no problem treating them as non P4P girl as they never claim any money from me. For me fucking is a art and it should be like that for most people - if people want compensation I have no problem giving that to them as well:-)
But beeing cheap to girls like this as in trying to lower your spending together with them is possible not a good idea. I allways do a testrun upfront to see if we click the sexual way and if she is a giver. If she is then I wont badge on spending 10 - 20000bht on her every given day. When I say they are no P4P it is costly maintaining a regular fleet of stunners as, even if they not ask for money, they have successful lifes and expect a hi so lookalike life as in no eating in streetfoodstalls, hehe.. We are talking mostly Lebua(Scirrocco), other places in Silom area or Bakuya(Japaneese famous expensive restaurant atleast with one department in Siam Paragorn where you can buy norwegian slamon to a overcostly high price - almost like home in Norway, hehe)..
So for you guys wanting model spinners for as little as possible - good luck. They will eventually cost you some bucks but experience of having this young modeltypeofgirl beside you in bed without this additional "freshfromfarmjusthavebabystrechtmarksfrombabywhenIwas16" is worth every penny atleast to me.. But never a free ride:-)
Paul Kausch
02-17-13, 00:36
If Go Go or Bargirls is a must I have to say you can also find additional modellookingtypeofgirls in the FL market. I use this market all the time and yes maby a few of my spinners come fresh from the Go Go, Bar or G-Club they anyway hit a nightclub after their work is done. Then you have good options negotiating without hitting this, in my opinion, stupid BF (even if I did a BF in my recently Pattaya trip, hehe). I just want to advice as maby some new readers only read last 10+ postings in a normal thread.
But I have say I have a few modellookingtypesofgirls in my regular BKK fleet. They sure know their value as they are rather picky. These girls you don't see with a 70yr old farang guy. They are choosy bcs they can be and even if some of them have normal decent highpaid work / jobs I guess a few of them earn that additional earnings from like a G Club or sth. When I arrived at BKK a few days ago I was picked up at Suvarnaphul from one of them and I mean when a young spinning girls drives her own BMW530i (I even checked the ownerspapers in the glowdepartment) then she has some money (atleast in Norway this is a highly priced car ranging from approx US200000 and up to the finest model) from both good work and maby some good extra earnings. I have no problem treating them as non P4P girl as they never claim any money from me. For me fucking is a art and it should be like that for most people. If people want compensation I have no problem giving that to them as well.
But beeing cheap to girls like this as in trying to lower your spending together with them is possible not a good idea. I allways do a testrun upfront to see if we click the sexual way and if she is a giver. If she is then I won't badge on spending 10. 20000bht on her every given day. When I say they are no P4P it is costly maintaining a regular fleet of stunners as, even if they not ask for money, they have successful lifes and expect a hi so lookalike life as in no eating in streetfoodstalls, hehe. We are talking mostly Lebua (Scirrocco) , other places in Silom area or Bakuya (Japaneese famous expensive restaurant atleast with one department in Siam Paragorn where you can buy norwegian slamon to a overcostly high price. Almost like home in Norway, hehe).
So for you guys wanting model spinners for as little as possible. Good luck. They will eventually cost you some bucks but experience of having this young modeltypeofgirl beside you in bed without this additional "freshfromfarmjusthavebabystrechtmarksfrombabywhenIwas16" is worth every penny atleast to me. But never a free ride.Life has taught me beautiful women know their value and don't sell themselves short. I've never known a a real stunning girl who one way or the other didn't end up being expensive; and in my experience the SW are cheaper in the long run than the proper ladies. And the sex with the SW is almost always better. There are always exceptions. But I think this is a lesson in life many forum members have learned, hence our lifestyle.
Western787
02-17-13, 08:43
Remember the girls available after hours are usually the one who didn't get a barfine at their reg. Gig. Surely unmodel types. LOL.
The car price appears to be an error, and overstated for that BMW model. As for the rest, I think he's strait shooting. Now as far as "model types" hitting late night venues, its entirely possible some are focusing only on ST gigs earlier in the evening, which seems to be the trend with the most picky girls anyways.
Paul Kausch
02-17-13, 09:27
The car price appears to be an error, and overstated for that BMW model. As for the rest, I think he's strait shooting. Now as far as "model types" hitting late night venues, its entirely possible some are focusing only on ST gigs earlier in the evening, which seems to be the trend with the most picky girls anyways.If the after hours places for picking up bar girls you're thinking of are Nana Liquid and Climax, my experience is the ladies run the gamete, but the good looking ones are the first to go, so if you started shopping late the pickings are slim.
I am not getting anywhere with google and ISG search finding a past post.
Anybody remember who made (or where is) the post about saving money on girl drinks? The post had something to do with giving the girl 2/3 of the cost of your own drink as long as she does not order any drink herself. I think the girl makes more $ that way opposed to a drink being bought for herself. The post was made either here or on the Pattaya threads.
Mr Enternational
02-17-13, 11:31
The car price appears to be an error, and overstated for that BMW model. As for the rest, I think he's strait shooting. Not necessarily. He stated the value of the car in Norway as far as he knew of.
(atleast in Norway this is a highly priced car ranging from approx US200000 and up to the finest model)
Also here in Thailand there are extremely high taxes on many things that are imported. Last year I wanted to bring a chair from the US for my place in Thailand. The chair cost $200 at Office Depot. The box was bigger than the airline allowance so I would have had to pay $175 oversize fee, then taxes for customs on that chair would have been 87%. So my actual cost for bringing that $200 chair to Thailand would have been $549.
I'm not sure if you saw this article last year about luxury cars in Thailand:
The government has been losing out on millions of baht worth of tax revenue every year, especially since luxury cars are usually taxed 187 to 328 per cent, DSI chief Tarit Pengdith said.
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/541134-millions-lost-in-tax-revenue-over-imported-cars-thailand/
As well, one poster stated:
"A couple years ago I went to the BMW international website and searched what a new BMW 7 series with V8 costs in different countries and converted them all into US dollar. Here are the results:
USA - $86,000
Germany/Italy - $136,000
Holland - $170,000
Thailand - $425,000 !!
I did this when the exchange rate was 35 Baht to a US dollar and it is 30 now so now the 7 series would be about $484,000 USD
I also looked at the Thailand BMW site and found the 6 cyl. 7 series was 8.5 million Baht, V8 - 14.5 million and V12 - 18.5 million. So you pay and extra 6 million Baht to get the V8 instead of the 6 cyl. That's because of the horsepower tax Thailand has in addition to import tax. "
Notice how a German car costs way more in Germany than it does in the USA. I once went to the grocery store in Paris to buy Cognac and saw that it cost way more in France than it does in the USA. Taxes are a MF!
FruitNinja
02-17-13, 12:02
As well, one poster stated:
"A couple years ago I went to the BMW international website and searched what a new BMW 7 series with V8 costs in different countries and converted them all into US dollar. Here are the results:
USA. $86, 000.
Germany / Italy. $136, 000.
Holland. $170, 000.
Thailand. $425, 000!
I did this when the exchange rate was 35 Baht to a US dollar and it is 30 now so now the 7 series would be about $484, 000 USD.
I also looked at the Thailand BMW site and found the 6 cyl. 7 series was 8. 5 million Baht, V8. 14. 5 million and V12. 18. 5 million. So you pay and extra 6 million Baht to get the V8 instead of the 6 cyl. That's because of the horsepower tax Thailand has in addition to import tax."In Pattaya I asked a very pretty 20 something to go to dinner with me so "that I can just look at you for an evening" she bought the line but as any good Thai girl only if she had a chaperone. Her chaperone picked us up at Century (where my girl worked) in a Volvo so we got talking cars. They asked what I paid for my X5 in the US. Without looking I think it was something around 90K, every option except HUD, diesel. They said the same car there would be 300, 000+ USD. I guess that's one plus to living in the US, we normally pay less for most luxury items. Probably more for necessities. The 3. 0 liter 6 is a dog thats why I got the diesel but 200, 000 for an 8? WOW!
I didn't see a whole lot of luxury cars in Thailand. Interestingly enough Cambodia has a love affair with Lexus.
Wolvenvacht
02-17-13, 12:09
I am not getting anywhere with google and ISG search finding a past post.
Anybody remember who made (or where is) the post about saving money on girl drinks? The post had something to do with giving the girl 2/3 of the cost of your own drink as long as she does not order any drink herself. I think the girl makes more $ that way opposed to a drink being bought for herself. The post was made either here or on the Pattaya threads.If I remember well, it was paying her direct 2/3 or 1/2 of the LD price, (not the price of your own drink) because that is (not less than) her commission on the LD.
If she accepts 2/3 of the price of your drink, she is loosing money I guess.
Mr Enternational
02-17-13, 12:11
In Pattaya I asked a very pretty 20 something to go to dinner with me so "that I can just look at you for an evening" she bought the line but as any good Thai girl only if she had a chaperone.At least your girl didn't try to bring a ladyboy along as a girl I met at Tukcom a couple of years ago tried to do. Man I called that shit off; thinking I'm bringing a ladyboy as a third wheel on a date AND end up paying? To hell you preach.
Western787
02-17-13, 12:12
True, Thailand (as well as Europe) prices for the same car typically will be 2 to 3 times the cost of the US based price, however I was under the impression the 530i had been out of production for years, and thus its price in Thailand would now likely be in the $60, 000 range for one perhaps 7 to 10 years old.
When bought new (or the equivalent new model) , yes, its price in Thailand or Norway could well be $200, 000, and he's only mentioning the new price, therefore he is in fact accurate.
I am not getting anywhere with google and ISG search finding a past post.
Anybody remember who made (or where is) the post about saving money on girl drinks? The post had something to do with giving the girl 2/3 of the cost of your own drink as long as she does not order any drink herself. I think the girl makes more $ that way opposed to a drink being bought for herself. The post was made either here or on the Pattaya threads.Can't answer the question and can't be bothered to search.
Some comments on girl drinks. Its a good idea to understand the rules at each bar. Sometimes the girl must sell a quota of drinks for the month or face fines for not doing so, we which could eat into her salary seriously. So she really needs the girl drinks badly. She may well wish to drink a beer, but be forced to order a girl-drink coke or similar. On occasions I have ordered no drinks myself, or ordered a beer and let the girl drink it, and helped the girls to drink the girl drinks purely for quota reasons (and I did not wish to drink alcohol anyway).
When there are no quote fines, then can find out secretly if the girl would rather get a cash tip instead of the girl drink commission, but cannot be too obvious with this scheme. I never buy ping pong balls to throw at girls, as the bar makes half the money. Its better to give cash tips to the girls. Girl drinks are even worse with girl typically making much less than half the steepish girl drink cost.
In the end I need to spend a reasonable amount on drinks so that the bar will value my custom and give me the best possible service. However be careful. If you are too generous, you get far too many people hanging around you waiting for drinks. You need to be selective as to which staff to buy drinks for or tip. Guys that sit on a drink for a long time are just a waste of space to the bar. So the customer should keep buying another drink at reasonable intervals, be it for himself or the girls. The entertainment of girls dancing and doing shows etc, not to mention unnecessary staff who are not that useful, is paid for by the drinks, so no need to be too stingy.
If I remember well, it was paying her direct 2/3 or 1/2 of the LD price, (not the price of your own drink) because that is (not less than) her commission on the LD.
If she accepts 2/3 of the price of your drink, she is loosing money I guess.The other aspect is that if you are sitting with a lady in a bar or a go-go and the lady does not have a drink the Mamasan will be suspicious in a very short space of time. If the Lady is found to be taking money so the customer avoids the price of a lady drink I would think the lady may be in trouble as the establishment is losing money.
Regards,
BJ
[QUOTE=Skogis; 1387361]. I have a few modellookingtypesofgirls in my regular BKK fleet. They sure know their value as they are rather picky. These girls you don't see with a 70yr old farang guy. I have no problem treating them as non P4P girl as they never claim any money from me. For me fucking is a art and it should be like that for most people. If people want compensation I have no problem giving that to them as well.
But beeing cheap to girls like this as in trying to lower your spending together with them is possible not a good idea. QUOTE]
You and I seem to be on the same wavelength. Philosophically speaking, no woman (including wives and GFs) comes free. The question is really. Where the costs are for what do we incur them. I follow simple principle:
1. Variety.
2. Extreme beauty (sadly, can't live without it)
Combining the two results in the need to go beyond the usual P4P into a "make-believe" land of GFE. I say "make-believe" because for a person coming to BKK of 5-10 days once in a blue moon, a true GFE is hardly an option. So, in addition to usual Go-Gos, G-clubs, and soapies, I prefer to have an option of non-pro or free lancer to accompany me (some English is a must). The question is. Where is best to procure this. Clubs like Insomnia (for non-pros / freelancers) , soapies (to collect phone numbers, as you suggest) , G-clubs, or all of the above?
I'm certainly open to try.
I didn't see a whole lot of luxury cars in Thailand. Interestingly enough Cambodia has a love affair with Lexus.Second-hand Lexi.
Greetings to all!
I will be in BKK for about 2 wks. I have 3 options:
1. Enjoy BKK in depth
2. Have an incursion to Pattaya.
3. Have an incursion to Angeles City in Philipines.
Some tell me that there is nothing much in AC that BKK can't offer, particularly in terms of slim, young model-looking girls. Yet, others say that it is worth shortening the BKK experience for a trip to Pattaya or AC.
I wonder what the respectable members of this forum think on the subject. Many thanks in advance for your opinions!
A
FruitNinja
02-17-13, 16:31
Second-hand Lexi.And where would they import all those used RX's from. US is a big market for those but would it pay to ship all the way there. I got one for my kid for school. They are indestructible.
Francesco24
02-17-13, 17:07
Other than the Beergarden (and maybe Gulliver) is there any other place along Sukhumvit to pick up freelancers during DAY time? (morning until 4 or 5 pm).
Thanks!
LittleBigMan
02-17-13, 18:33
Making a long story short about cars. Just last year there were a number of reports about the Thai customs and how many millions they have lost due to the corruption of their own agents turning their heads when it came to imported cars especially the Benz and BMW.
If the vehicle isn't made like 51% in Thailand you are going to get a jump like 40% on the price of the car? In Pattaya, you have a number of show rooms open with these imports and certainly I have seen a jump in people driving them around. I envy those that can afford them and give them a thumbs up but I have also heard just like Big bikes imported that they have a hard time getting parts and service? Even with the crackdown or most likely just a show in the news that they might be doing something, things don't seem to be slowing down for these cars especially in Pattaya. Story after story I'm told you better know a guy in the black market to help you unless you can pay the full prices of importing?
Last year I saw a Lexus, which is made in Japan on the show floor at Central Festival for 4. 2 million baht, the Mini Coup four door was something like 4 million baht too. My budget, I guess I will have to keep on dreaming in my Toyota Honda scooter.
Seeing as how every body is different I suggest you pick 2 and go from there. Then make a second trip later and pick the one you liked best and add the third option to see the difference. You should have a good time in all3 but will end up with a preference. I personally prefer Bangkok, but it is more expensive than the other 2 and that is a consideration.
McDonald's next to Robinson's which is next to Westin Hotel. I've scored twice with Uni girls from there. Eye contact.
Other than the Beergarden (and maybe Gulliver) is there any other place along Sukhumvit to pick up freelancers during DAY time? (morning until 4 or 5 pm).
Thanks!
Wolvenvacht
02-17-13, 23:45
Greetings to all!
I will be in BKK for about 2 wks. I have 3 options:
1. Enjoy BKK in depth
2. Have an incursion to Pattaya.
3. Have an incursion to Angeles City in Philipines.
Some tell me that there is nothing much in AC that BKK can't offer, particularly in terms of slim, young model-looking girls. Yet, others say that it is worth shortening the BKK experience for a trip to Pattaya or AC.
I wonder what the respectable members of this forum think on the subject. Many thanks in advance for your opinions!
AI have never been to the Philipines so I cannot comment on that part of the world.
But as to Thailand, I'd say go to Bangkok AND Pattaya. Nice as Bangkok is, I cannot stand it for more than a week at a time. Too busy, too hot, too much people. Great mongering opportunities though.
Pattaya is so much different, you have to experience it to believe it. Still it is busy and hot too and the beach is not so nice. I booked a room in nearby Jomtien which is much more calm and has a nicer beach. And it is only a short baht-bus ride away from the Pattaya "candy store".
FruitNinja
02-18-13, 00:19
Had a horrendous experience last night at the Nuru Guru joint. I thought I would give the Doc the chance to win me back over so me and a buddy headed on over with high hopes of a good time. How wrong this turned out to be. The fat angelino on reception duty was impolite and verbally abusive to my friend for asking which girl was the most popular!
In short we both left and vowed never to return.You are not even a paying member. You have 13 posts. 7 of which have been deleted by the administrator for being threatening. And you expect us to somehow believe your post? Look I don't know what you experienced on your visit but I was there 2 weeks ago and was treated with courtesy and respect. I'm pretty sure I met the guy you're talking about. He wasn't impolite and abusive to me or the other customer that sat there talking to him for a long time as I sat at the bar and had a few drinks. I also had a good experience across the street at the BJ joint.
I'm going to err on the side of caution and guess that you have some kind of vendetta working here. And if you're getting your postes deleted here for being abusive I can only imagine what might have transpired at Nuru.
Western787
02-18-13, 01:18
[QUOTE=Skogis; 1387361]. I follow simple principle:
1. Variety.
2. Extreme beauty (sadly, can't live without it) Concentratred efforts on for example Spasso's, Climax, CM2, Rainbow 4, Bacarra, and some of the big soapies in Ratchada. And most importantly a boatload of cash.
"Money #1" as they say.
Now with G club girls there is a different issue that can arise, as most are looking for (wealthy Thai) boyfriends or ongoing sponsors, and if you're not a member nor in Bangkok on a fairly routine basis, they're not usually going to waste their time.
L
Dave Carrera
02-18-13, 05:13
I've heard some interesting things about Soi 33 clubs. Are there any that really stand out as having the hottest and friendliest women?
Member #4387
02-18-13, 05:51
Other than the Beergarden (and maybe Gulliver) is there any other place along Sukhumvit to pick up freelancers during DAY time? (morning until 4 or 5 pm).
Thanks!I will be careful beeing to bombastic but isn't BKK and especially lower Sukhumvit numbers crowded by girls going with a customer any given day. I can not see daytime would prevent this in any other way than ofcourse they are low in numbers as most work in eve. So I would believe that most girls working in additional bar service cater also during daytime without me having enough exp to give you specific places.
Other than the Beergarden (and maybe Gulliver) is there any other place along Sukhumvit to pick up freelancers during DAY time? (morning until 4 or 5 pm).
Thanks!There are often streetwalking sex worker freelancers on sukhumvit between sois 3 and 5.
BTW the Beergarden is on soi 7, not Sukhumvit.
Had a horrendous experience last night at the Nuru Guru joint. I thought I would give the Doc the chance to win me back over so me and a buddy headed on over with high hopes of a good time. How wrong this turned out to be. The fat angelino on reception duty was impolite and verbally abusive to my friend for asking which girl was the most popular!
In short we both left and vowed never to return.Your experience was horrendous but you didn't actually try the services there? Interesting. I know this amazing restaurant in Pattaya (living in Pattaya and it being close to your BJ establishment I'm sure you know it as well) , I have never eaten there but walked past it a few times. I would recommend it to everyone, the food is great although I have never actually sat down and had a meal. Are you getting the picture yet? If it is true that you were even in Bangkok why didn't you come into the Salon to say hello? We could have had a few beers and talked the night away, I'm sure the hours would have flown by.
Regards,
BJ
Other than the Beergarden (and maybe Gulliver) is there any other place along Sukhumvit to pick up freelancers during DAY time? (morning until 4 or 5 pm).
Thanks!Well there are ones on the street between Soi 3 and 5 and often a couple at the Nana Hotel parking lot. I've never seen any in Gullivers during the day. Just not enough customers. You might find a few in the pool place across and to the right from the BG called New Wave. But basically the BG is the daytime game. The unfortunate thing about freelancers who work in the daytime is that the vast majority of them are to put it gently well past their expiration date. Every now and then I see one in the BG that might rate a 6 to a 7. At least with her clothes on. It didn't used to be that way. 5-10 years ago the BG often had girls who were fairly young, attractive and new to the business but no longer.
In general over the past few years there has been an unexplained gutting of the FL scene in Bangkok. Their numbers are way down, their ages are way up and the quality has sunk badly. Places like the Nana disco and parking lot are basically a thing of the past, Gullivers has a bunch at night but they often ask for silly amounts of money for not very good looking women, the BG at night can often seem like a hike thru an old folks home, the street scene has been taken over by Africans and Lady Boys and Thermae may as well have a sign up saying For Japanese Only for the Good Looking Girls. A lot of the FL action has moved to the late night discos I have heard but even that may be suspect because the few times I have been to Climax lately there were way fewer girls than just a few years ago. Maybe they have moved on to other discos. With no empirical data, my only guess as to the why of this is that 1. Fewer women are going into the trade in general and 2. The ones that still choose to prefer working in an establishment such as a beer bar, a gogo or a massage parlor where they feel safer and get a monthly salary that seems to be getting higher all the time as bars are finding it very difficult having enough girls on hand. I keep hoping for a FL revival but I don't see it coming any time soon.
Had a horrendous experience last night at the Nuru Guru joint. I thought I would give the Doc the chance to win me back over so me and a buddy headed on over with high hopes of a good time. How wrong this turned out to be. The fat angelino on reception duty was impolite and verbally abusive to my friend for asking which girl was the most popular!
In short we both left and vowed never to return.Very funny but allow me to explain something.
1) You didn't come here because I remember the people, I'm lucky I have a good memory, yesterday no group of 2 people come inside and don't take any girls.
2) Yesterday nobody ask me "who is the most popular girl?" and anyway if somebody ask this why I must to be impolite? This is a common question.
3) I already know who you are and which is your business. Don't worry.
Greetings to all!
I will be in BKK for about 2 wks. I have 3 options:
1. Enjoy BKK in depth
2. Have an incursion to Pattaya.
3. Have an incursion to Angeles City in Philipines.
Some tell me that there is nothing much in AC that BKK can't offer, particularly in terms of slim, young model-looking girls. Yet, others say that it is worth shortening the BKK experience for a trip to Pattaya or AC.
I wonder what the respectable members of this forum think on the subject. Many thanks in advance for your opinions!
APattaya for sure. Its 2 hours away by taxi or bus. Has fresh air. Has Russian tourist girls to gawk at. Has a beach (sort of). And has a lot of girls everywhere. AC. Never been but it is a huge hassle getting there as opposed to Pattaya and from all I have heard it is a sh*hole in every respect other than the girls. Pattaya is actually getting more respectable by the day which may be a good or bad thing depending on your point of view. I'd say go to Pattaya early in your trip because a lot of guys (not me) end up much prefering it's slower pace and clean air to Bangkok. And you may just decide to stay there.
If I remember well, it was paying her direct 2/3 or 1/2 of the LD price, (not the price of your own drink) because that is (not less than) her commission on the LD.
If she accepts 2/3 of the price of your drink, she is loosing money I guess.I think most Gogos pay the girl around 50 baht for each drink and in beer bars even less. It may not sound like much but it can add up over a month. And as someone says most places have quotas that the girls are expected to reach or be fined. Kind of a sucky system because it really encourages the girls to drink and often it's not coke but the real stuff .they seem to especially love tequila shots and over time a lot of these girls become hard drinkers and their health suffers and they put on a lot of weight which they then take drugs to lose. But really by paying 2/3's you are not saving yourself all that much money and the bar would not look kindly on it and the girl would have to go in search of another customer. In some bars as long as you are buying her drinks, she can sit with you all night and not dance; in others that is not the case.
Member #4387
02-18-13, 09:50
Well there are ones on the street between Soi 3 and 5 and often a couple at the Nana Hotel parking lot. I've never seen any in Gullivers during the day. Just not enough customers. You might find a few in the pool place across and to the right from the BG called New Wave. But basically the BG is the daytime game. The unfortunate thing about freelancers who work in the daytime is that the vast majority of them are to put it gently well past their expiration date. Every now and then I see one in the BG that might rate a 6 to a 7. At least with her clothes on. It didn't used to be that way. 5-10 years ago the BG often had girls who were fairly young, attractive and new to the business but no longer.
In general over the past few years there has been an unexplained gutting of the FL scene in Bangkok. Their numbers are way down, their ages are way up and the quality has sunk badly. Places like the Nana disco and parking lot are basically a thing of the past, Gullivers has a bunch at night but they often ask for silly amounts of money for not very good looking women, the BG at night can often seem like a hike thru an old folks home, the street scene has been taken over by Africans and Lady Boys and Thermae may as well have a sign up saying For Japanese Only for the Good Looking Girls. A lot of the FL action has moved to the late night discos I have heard but even that may be suspect because the few times I have been to Climax lately there were way fewer girls than just a few years ago. Maybe they have moved on to other discos. With no empirical data, my only guess as to the why of this is that 1. Fewer women are going into the trade in general and 2. The ones that still choose to prefer working in an establishment such as a beer bar, a gogo or a massage parlor where they feel safer and get a monthly salary that seems to be getting higher all the time as bars are finding it very difficult having enough girls on hand. I keep hoping for a FL revival but I don't see it coming any time soon.My dear fellow monger I find it hard we can have so different view on the girl situation of BKK pussy market. I can to one certain point agree with you that as Thailand become a higher society country (but still a banana republic from my point of view. Due to massive corription) as in maby less girls need selling their pussy to obtain e decent standard of living. But many of these girlsnhave one disadvantage and that is they are pure lazy and would rather spend a few minutes on their backs than bagging up shoes in a factory (just an example damn it hehe). I have no statistic to base my riting upon and I write this onlybthrough my own observations.
I see and hearpeople complain about two main issues and 1. Is the low level of workinggirls and 2. The high pricing.
I have no idea how Nana p lot isbstanding out or how ladyboys in the area is flooding the streets as I mostly cater the discomarket and fl girls. These girls are still game and I see no difference since 5years ago. They are many, and maby to be correct they are far more in numbers now than 5 years ago. I still pay the additional normaly 3000bht for lt action (sometimes from my own mind I pay less or more.only a tad hehe. Bts is same price and beer in shop same price, even a bottle of absolute was 2500bht in climax 5years ago and still is. But to be fair everything is dirt cheap in my mind in asia maby more or less in the rest of the world as well as I am used to norwegian prices and sometimes have to pay Us18 for a glass of beer. Only tokyo and zurich can make my eyebrows react.
Well there are still a lot of girls hitting the late night discos. I observe also a lot of girls in various bars. And I take it forbgranted they can be rented. As for BG in Soi 7/1 I spend a small hour there a few days ago and I saw a decent looking mixed crowd of girls (young, old, fat and slim). What I mostly did react upon was the ammount of shitty old guys there. Not very attractive to the girls I believe. So maby that sceene is starting to change? And not for the better. This was not an attack on you at all just an observation made by me. In norway the direct Thai Airways flight is called "the white trash flight". Earlier white trash was only used of people living in Pattaya. But in a general perspective I felt I could see some truth to this saying on my visit to BG. Only fight hard to not become one myself. I still enjoy decent outfit, some soap at times and maby even add some nice smelling perfume under armpits.
Well just my observation. By the way I have never ever had any difficulties getting girls from the left line up at Thermae. Yes they do cater a rather expanding japaneese / korean crowd but also cater westerns like myself. I have never ever heard someone refusing to go with me due to my white trash alter ego, hehe.
Hey, anyone here who can recommend on the wildest place in or near BKK for a sex show? Planning to take a friend out on his bachelor party, and want to leave him totally blue-balled. As in "boned up like crazy but not letting him out of sight for a release". I know, pretty evil, but he deserves it!
So, where can we take him and be sure there are super hot girls in wild action on stage? Please tell a bit about the flavor of show too, in case there are some noteworthy house specialities. He is not faint at heart, so no limits to what could work here.
Thanks!
Peff
My dear fellow monger I find it hard we can have so different view on the girl situation of BKK pussy market. I can to one certain point agree with you that as Thailand become a higher society country (but still a banana republic from my point of view. Due to massive corription) as in maby less girls need selling their pussy to obtain e decent standard of living. But many of these girlsnhave one disadvantage and that is they are pure lazy and would rather spend a few minutes on their backs than bagging up shoes in a factory (just an example damn it hehe). I have no statistic to base my riting upon and I write this onlybthrough my own observations.
I see and hearpeople complain about two main issues and 1. Is the low level of workinggirls and 2. The high pricing.
I have no idea how Nana p lot isbstanding out or how ladyboys in the area is flooding the streets as I mostly cater the discomarket and fl girls. These girls are still game and I see no difference since 5years ago. They are many, and maby to be correct they are far more in numbers now than 5 years ago. I still pay the additional normaly 3000bht for lt action (sometimes from my own mind I pay less or more. Only a tad hehe. Bts is same price and beer in shop same price, even a bottle of absolute was 2500bht in climax 5years ago and still is. But to be fair everything is dirt cheap in my mind in asia maby more or less in the rest of the world as well as I am used to norwegian prices and sometimes have to pay Us18 for a glass of beer. Only tokyo and zurich can make my eyebrows react.
Well there are still a lot of girls hitting the late night discos. I observe also a lot of girls in various bars. And I take it forbgranted they can be rented. As for BG in Soi 7/1 I spend a small hour there a few days ago and I saw a decent looking mixed crowd of girls (young, old, fat and slim). What I mostly did react upon was the ammount of shitty old guys there. Not very attractive to the girls I believe. So maby that sceene is starting to change? And not for the better. This was not an attack on you at all just an observation made by me. In norway the direct Thai Airways flight is called "the white trash flight". Earlier white trash was only used of people living in Pattaya. But in a general perspective I felt I could see some truth to this saying on my visit to BG. Only fight hard to not become one myself. I still enjoy decent outfit, some soap at times and maby even add some nice smelling perfume under armpits.
Well just my observation. By the way I have never ever had any difficulties getting girls from the left line up at Thermae. Yes they do cater a rather expanding japaneese / korean crowd but also cater westerns like myself. I have never ever heard someone refusing to go with me due to my white trash alter ego, hehe.No doubt we all see things differently and see things through a different prism. What might be a catch to you is a no thank you to me and vice versa. I don't see much in the FL world that I have liked for a while. I've been coming here since 1993 and have seen the FL scene dwindle from literally thousands filling up lower Sukhumvit at night to a much smaller pct of that. Sure nice ones are still out there but it's a lot more work finding them. It used to take about a minute in the Nana or in Thermae or in the Grace Hotel to find a really attractive girl. I make the rounds many nights and see very little. Maybe I am jaded but then so must all of my friends be as they all feel the same way and have nearly all migrated to gogos to find good looking women.
As to the Thermae, you must be a stud muffin or have really good luck. I have seen many Farangs get dissed and brushed away before they even could say hello. I once went with a girl who had worked the Nana scene but had taken up residency at Thermae. We walked out together and her friends yapped after her. She told me that they were asking her why she was going with a Farang in a dismissive tone. Through another ex-Nana girl I had her approach a cutie who had previously ignored me to put in a good word for me and offer her 3000 baht st (crazy but I really wanted to go with her) and she said no she never goes with Farangs. Ever. Now there are some very plain janes in the Thermae. Even on the line. And they will go with Farangs. But the really pretty ones? The ones I want. Hardly ever. But good for you for cracking the code. At the same time I see Farangs leave the Thermae or the BG with girls I would literally not want to be found dead or alive with. I think to myself, this is what they traveled thousands of miles for? But they look as happy as if they had just landed the biggest fish in the lake. And that's all that matters.
Paul Kausch
02-18-13, 12:47
McDonald's next to Robinson's which is next to Westin Hotel. I've scored twice with Uni girls from there. Eye contact.Go to any of the places young Thai women hang out during the day (eg shopping area and coffee shops.) Look for good looking girls with tramp stamps wearing sexier than average clothes. These are likely to be SW. Establish eye contact and smile. If the girl ignores you don't pay her any more attention. If she smiles back, approach her, which may not be necessary because she may approach you.
Western787
02-18-13, 13:09
Sure nice ones are still out there but it's a lot more work finding them. It used to take about a minute in the Nana or in Thermae or in the Grace Hotel to find a really attractive girl. I make the rounds many nights and see very little. Maybe I am jaded but then so must all of my friends be as they all feel the same way and have nearly all migrated to gogos to find good looking women.Interesting discussion.
As Skogis alluded to, with P4P, earning large money for little hours is preferable to low wages for long hours, so its not like most have opted for real jobs. Setting aside the price issue and looking at the (somewhat more identifiable) 5 year macro trend "less WG hotties", do you think this could relate to the continued ongoing financial ascendancy of the east over the west, specifically the increasing aggregate financial power of China, Korea, and Japan and to a lesser degree the other asian "tigers" including Thailand itself? Is is possible this is causing the higher end working girls, to work off market? or engage in more (exclusive) private arrangements? Or move into higher priced venues generally inaccessible to typical Farangs?
In financial terms at least, its hard to deny the sun is setting on the west and rising on the east, and the trend seems unstoppable, and beauty tends to follow financial power. In other words, Farangs, (except maybe the wealthy, charming, or good looking) are perhaps slowly but inextricably starting to basically be dealt out of the deck in regard to the upscale talent. Your comments on Thermae reflect that, a lot of pretty ones just aren't bothering anymore.
I've heard some interesting things about Soi 33 clubs. Are there any that really stand out as having the hottest and friendliest women?DC, definitely not the hottest – just a slightly different set-up. Stickman did a little blurb about the soi a while back but was a bit rambling and I thought a bit unrelatable without a prior visit – but I'm not a Stickman fan anyway.
The bars on 33 ('soi artist' – Dali, Degas, etc) are kind of a strange mix of old-time hostess style bar and lower Suk style beer bar. Mostly 6's and 7's with an occasional 8. Women seem more grounded and the service I have received has always been most excellent.
Barfine however is usually double other bars or more and as some have mentioned maybe a waste. I always stop in at least once on longer trips as I usually blow through most of the hot women in Nana as I rarely repeat and for my taste cowboy seems to have become too much bait-and-switch.
Pattaya for sure. Its 2 hours away by taxi or bus. Has fresh air. Has Russian tourist girls to gawk at. Has a beach (sort of). And has a lot of girls everywhere. AC. Never been but it is a huge hassle getting there as opposed to Pattaya and from all I have heard it is a sh*hole in every respect other than the girls. Pattaya is actually getting more respectable by the day which may be a good or bad thing depending on your point of view. I'd say go to Pattaya early in your trip because a lot of guys (not me) end up much prefering it's slower pace and clean air to Bangkok. And you may just decide to stay there.Thank you for the comment. The fact that Pattaya is only 2 hours away from BKK makes it attractive to visit. Clean air is also a good thing, although I'm planning to make excursions outside BKK for sightseeing anyway. Yet, if Pattaya is the same game in terms of P4P experience as BKK. Then why bother? What Pattaya has that BKK doesn't (aside from clean air)? Same question is for Angeles City. Again, I would venture out of BKK to AC or Pattaya for a) variety and be) quality of mongering experience. However, if it is almost the same scene as BKK. Then why to get distracted?
Thanks in advance for comments! A
Thank you for the comment. The fact that Pattaya is only 2 hours away from BKK makes it attractive to visit. Clean air is also a good thing, although I'm planning to make excursions outside BKK for sightseeing anyway. Yet, if Pattaya is the same game in terms of P4P experience as BKK. Then why bother? What Pattaya has that BKK doesn't (aside from clean air)? Same question is for Angeles City. Again, I would venture out of BKK to AC or Pattaya for a) variety and be) quality of mongering experience. However, if it is almost the same scene as BKK. Then why to get distracted?
Thanks in advance for comments! APutting it in those terms I can't really make an argument for or against Pattaya. Both Bangkok and Pattaya have Thai girls who primarily come from Issan and have sex with us for money. They are pretty interchangeable. Pattaya used to be much cheaper but the prices there are quickly catching up with Bangkok in terms of girls, hotels and food. The girls in Pattaya also used to have a reputation of being less mercenary but I think they are catching up with Bangkok in that regard as well. It really comes down to the different atmospheres. Big city vs beachside resort that often reminds me of the tackiness of the Jersey Shore. For a bigger difference you might want to think about Phuket which has girls but is a much better beach and water experience but is also famous for its rippoffs. AC of course has Filipinas and most of them speak very good English. But even the guys who like AC admit that it is way down the food chain but that is part of its charm I guess.
Actually not hard to get to AC from Bangkok. It is a 3 hour flight into Clark on the discount airlines. The difference between is Ac and Thailand is the language. Most speak decent english in the Phils. They also tend to be GFE, but not always. You can find that in BKK but it is certainly more rare than in AC or the Phils. The other differentce is the more raunchy places in Pattaya. There are a few and they should be seen at least once. But after that, up to you. Phuket has nice beach and a little entertainment. I went once and that was enough for me. But that is just me.
Again try to make 2 trips. One to Thailand and the phils. Then try the other in Thailand and then decide if it is still Thailand or the Phils you want visit on the second part of the trip.
Interesting discussion.
As Skogis alluded to, with P4P, earning large money for little hours is preferable to low wages for long hours, so its not like most have opted for real jobs. Setting aside the price issue and looking at the (somewhat more identifiable) 5 year macro trend "less WG hotties", do you think this could relate to the continued ongoing financial ascendancy of the east over the west, specifically the increasing aggregate financial power of China, Korea, and Japan and to a lesser degree the other asian "tigers" including Thailand itself? Is is possible this is causing the higher end working girls, to work off market? Or engage in more (exclusive) private arrangements? Or move into higher priced venues generally inaccessible to typical Farangs?
In financial terms at least, its hard to deny the sun is setting on the west and rising on the east, and the trend seems unstoppable, and beauty tends to follow financial power. In other words, Farangs, (except maybe the wealthy, charming, or good looking) are perhaps slowly but inextricably starting to basically be dealt out of the deck in regard to the upscale talent. Your comments on Thermae reflect that, a lot of pretty ones just aren't bothering anymore.I can't really speak to the West vs East issue and it's close to impossible to have numbers on how many girls are currently in the business vs previous years. There are just too many venues spread out over the whole country and marketed to different customers. Ie Farang, Thai, Arab and Japanese. My guess is that there are fewer but that is just based on the fact that Thailand has a fast growing middle class that you can see swarming into the upscale malls in their nice clothes and University outfits buying pricey sweets and eating at Sizzlers. Generally when this happens in society girls find other opportunities than sex for money. Ya, the money is probably still better doing sex for money but not by as much as it used to be. I know regular girls who are now making 15, 000 baht in normal jobs. True if you have a good month as a working girl you can make double this, but there is a price to pay and there is uncertainty and there is danger in this profession and there is a stigma attached to it. So girls have to weigh all this up.
The one thing though that I can attest to is that when I first came here back in the early 90's the Thai working girls who catered to Farangs came from all over Thailand. Girls from Chiang Mai, Suritani, Bangkok, Hat Yai and of course Issan. Now the girls we see in the gogos or the FL's have to be about 95% Issan. Why is that? Because Issan is way behind the rest of the country in economic development. If Issan and the Red Shirts ever get some form of economic equality, we may have to kiss a lot of the scene goodbye. I hear that comparatively we are getting the bottom of the barrel in terms of quality (other than the Arabs who get girls who should not even be in the barrel). The topnotch ones seem to be in the highend Thai and Japanese bars. These are the light skinned girls. But never having been in any of these highend bars I can't say and of course beauty is all subjective.
There are just so many factors at work that I think decrease the number of girls and the quality of girls who are visible to us. Other than those already mentioned, many many girls are going out of country to work where they get paid much better (I currently know 2 girls in Switzerland, one in Bahrain and one in Hong Kong who had been part of my roster only a few months ago) , many girls are doing their marketing on the Internet as Independents or in Escorts and God knows how many girls are being sponsored and so are out of the scene at least till the money stops. Very little of this was going on 10 years ago. But the good news is that there are still thousands to choose from and though they may not all be beauties, they are still much better than most of us are or were getting back home!
Just offered a rainbow girl 2k short time. She wouldn't budge below 2. 5k, this after building rapport over a few days.
I would consider her a 2nd tier girl, very pretty yet doesn't get a lot of barfines. Maybe she does after all the hot ones are gone for the evening. Who knows.
If this is an indication of why so many girls just don't get barfined, it is because all of them price themselves as if they were 1st tier girls.I love Rainbow 4! I take Rainbow 4 girls fairly often because I think they have the hottest girls in Nana, Patpong or Soi Cowboy. There was a time not too long ago when I had shagged almost every girl in that place who I even found attractive (and that's quite a few, because I believe they have good talent there). Although it does happen, it's rare that one of them ever demands 2500 for a short time. Mostly 2000 is ok, but I have had some demand 2500. I almost never bargain up front and I always tell the girls who demand 2500 at the end that if they want that much money for that time, I will not take them again. The girls who do demand 2500 at the end don't ask me for that up front either and tell me they see me take so many girls out of there, they just assume I know the price. I tell them that I do know the price. 2000 short time. If they ever ask for 2500 up front, I don't take them. The ones demanding that much are normally a crap shag anyway. I do find that the girls never ask for 2500 each if you take more than one girl at a time.
What the heck are you doing "building up a rapport over a few days" for anyway? That seems a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor move in my opinion. If you are going in there and not taking a chick out, but wasting their time chatting them up, they probably think you are a cheap charlie and that's why they want to make sure to bargain with you up front. It's rare I ever go in there without pulling a chick out of there. If you want to "build a rapport" with a Rainbow 4 girl, inside the bar is not the place to do it unless you do bar fine them. Those girls are serious working girls looking for money.
I love Rainbow 4! I take Rainbow 4 girls fairly often because I think they have the hottest girls in Nana, Patpong or Soi Cowboy. Those girls are serious working girls looking for money.I paid a visit to Rainbow 4 for the first time tonight. After having downed a couple at Soi Cowboy with a senior member of this forum we kind of gravitated towards NEP. I am not much of a fan of a-go-gos, but I was surprised by the great attitude that some of the girls had. They really tried to make a sell, even taking turning down personally (number 52 started calling my fellow mongerer names).
I barfined number 149 and paid the asking price 2400 baht for short time. Great body, tight pussy, slow to warm up (almost to the point of frustration).
Pretty girls, mostly, but also some nasty stretch-marked bellies on display. Long live variety!
Putting it in those terms I can't really make an argument for or against Pattaya. Both Bangkok and Pattaya have Thai girls who primarily come from Issan and have sex with us for money. They are pretty interchangeable. Pattaya used to be much cheaper but the prices there are quickly catching up with Bangkok in terms of girls, hotels and food. The girls in Pattaya also used to have a reputation of being less mercenary but I think they are catching up with Bangkok in that regard as well. It really comes down to the different atmospheres. Big city vs beachside resort that often reminds me of the tackiness of the Jersey Shore. For a bigger difference you might want to think about Phuket which has girls but is a much better beach and water experience but is also famous for its rippoffs. AC of course has Filipinas and most of them speak very good English. But even the guys who like AC admit that it is way down the food chain but that is part of its charm I guess.Thanks for the input. You have pursuaded me not to waste my time on Pattaya, as it won't provide and added value. But what do you mean that AC is "way down the food chain"? I am still having trouble deciding wheather to make an excursion to AC from BKK or not.
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I paid a visit to Rainbow 4 for the first time tonight. After having downed a couple at Soi Cowboy with a senior member of this forum we kind of gravitated towards NEP. I am not much of a fan of a-go-gos, but I was surprised by the great attitude that some of the girls had. They really tried to make a sell, even taking turning down personally (number 52 started calling my fellow mongerer names).
I barfined number 149 and paid the asking price 2400 baht for short time. Great body, tight pussy, slow to warm up (almost to the point of frustration).
Pretty girls, mostly, but also some nasty stretch-marked bellies on display. Long live variety!Strange sort of sarcasm, you have.
Member #4698
02-18-13, 23:05
Thanks for the input. You have pursuaded me not to waste my time on Pattaya, as it won't provide and added value. But what do you mean that AC is "way down the food chain"? I am still having trouble deciding wheather to make an excursion to AC from BKK or not.
AA, this discussion has been held countless times here on the ISG. For example, read my recent take, post #12160.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=1382967&viewfull=1#post1382967 - On AC to Pattaya comparisons.
Some like BKK best, some like Pattaya best, and some like AC best; but the bottom line is all three destinations are great and worthy of your travel time. DO YOU READ ME? ALL THREE ARE GREAT! So believe me you will not be wasting your time going to Pattaya. Pattaya is must see place. You have not lived until you monger in Pat. I think you wrote that you had two weeks to travel. Then take my advice: 7 days BKK / 7 days Pattaya and make the most of both destinations. And put AC on your must do list for next time.
Ok here is a quick off the cuff comparison:
BKK. Big city, very pretty girls, many sex venues, and spread out. Massage parlors best, but a few Go Go's are very good. Great restaurants, amazing cultural attractions, and shopping.
Pattaya. A resort town. Much more laid back than BKK. More happy working girls per sq mile than anywhere else in the world. The Go Go's are best. There are many really good ones. Walking Street is 20x the size of Cowboy! Soi Six is great. LK Metro very good. Beach Road FL's are always worth a look see. Countless beer bars. The list is endless. Disneyworld for adults. A great place to barhop. I usually drink more and stay out later in Pat than in BKK.
AC. A private punting club for mongers only. Great bars, large and small. What does AC have that Thailand does not have? Filipinas! GFE Filipina style. Plus AC is a funky honky tonk town like no other. Your mother would not want you to go to AC.
Now I have the luxury of time on my side. I will be landing in BKK in less than a week. Here is my itinerary: 2 weeks BKK, 1 week Pat, 5 days Phuket, 2 night layover KL, 6 nights AC, 5 nights Subic, 5 nights Macau, 1 week BKK. For the last 4 years I have pretty much followed the same path. BKK, Pattaya, Macau are always on my itinerary. I rotate every other year between AC and Manila. I like them both. This trip I will be checking out Subic and KL for the first time and going back to Phuket for the first time in 20 years. 5 days to blast off. I can't wait, but my message to you, Aibolit, is if you have the time ( 10 days or more) take in BKK and Pattaya. You will not regret it. The two towns compliment each other and will enrich your punting experience. Bon Voyage!
Thank you for the comment. The fact that Pattaya is only 2 hours away from BKK makes it attractive to visit. Clean air is also a good thing, although I'm planning to make excursions outside BKK for sightseeing anyway. Yet, if Pattaya is the same game in terms of P4P experience as BKK. Then why bother? What Pattaya has that BKK doesn't (aside from clean air)? Same question is for Angeles City. Again, I would venture out of BKK to AC or Pattaya for a) variety and be) quality of mongering experience. However, if it is almost the same scene as BKK. Then why to get distracted?
Thanks in advance for comments! AI would go to Pattaya. I see it as different from BKK. Just go there for one day if you can swing it. Walking Street is worth the visit. There is no WS like it in BKK. I believe every true monger has to go to Pats at least once. Especially if you are already in Thailand.
AC will just be full on girls and fucking. That is all I got out of it. No beach, not much else to do. That is fine if that is all you want. But you are mentioning clean air and excursions. I think Pats offers more of a variety of other activites.
But either way, I dont think you can make a wrong decision. You can fuck your brains out at either place at resonable prices, if that is your goal.
Western787
02-18-13, 23:35
. However, if it is almost the same scene as BKK. Then why to get distracted?While I commend your quest, finding gorgeous, fresh faced, long leg, passionate, ultra young (18 to 23 year old) model types on (presumptively) a limited budget on a 10 to 14 day trip and in sufficient numbers to give you the "variety" you speak of, Pattaya and AC would not be the place to focus on anyways. Bangkok is the right city.
However, unless you're a younger version of Brad Pitt, its highly improbable, certainly not in the time frame you describe. But then again, no harm in trying.
Limited budget? Limited time? And want them literally gorgeous as well as young? You might try a more focused strategy. For example you could sort through the 1000's of soapie girls in your first 48 hours, making early afternoon visits, describing to the soapie pimps precisely what you want (possibly tipping at some point) , then returning later as the inventories expanded for the evening. That strategy should yield you at least 1 or 2 meeting your standards to spend time with on the 2 or so weeks you were in Bangkok, although provider peformance may or may not be that great, hard to tell.
Western787
02-18-13, 23:55
Thanks for the input. You have pursuaded me not to waste my time on Pattaya, as it won't provide and added value. But what do you mean that AC is "way down the food chain"? I am still having trouble deciding wheather to make an excursion to AC from BKK or not.
AI think he means while AC (simply given the vast numbers of WGs) has a lot of hot girls, in relative terms the top echelon of WG talent in the Phils is far more likely to follow the big money and head for Manila, a city which has a variety of other issues far more complex than Bangkok
Western787
02-19-13, 00:12
Your mother would not want you to go to AC.LOL, too funny man. Simply being there is a 24/7 "walk of shame"
Member #4698
02-19-13, 00:18
While I commend your quest, finding gorgeous, fresh faced, long leg, passionate, ultra young (18 to 23 year old) model types on (presumptively) a limited budget on a 10 to 14 day trip and in sufficient numbers to give you the "variety" you speak of, Pattaya and AC would not be the place to focus on anyways. Bangkok is the right city.
However, unless you're a younger version of Brad Pitt, its highly improbable, certainly not in the time frame you describe. But then again, no harm in trying.
Limited budget? Limited time? And want them literally gorgeous as well as young? You might try a more focused strategy. For example you could sort through the 1000's of soapie girls in your first 48 hours, making early afternoon visits, describing to the soapie pimps precisely what you want (possibly tipping at some point) , then returning later as the inventories expanded for the evening. That strategy should yield you at least 1 or 2 meeting your standards to spend time with on the 2 or so weeks you were in Bangkok, although provider peformance may or may not be that great, hard to tell.Hey W, you just jogged my memory. Is "A" the guy who came to the BKK forum a couple of weeks ago telling us he was travelling to BKK and he was looking exclusively for 18 to 23 year old model types. I remember now. When I suggested BKK Gold Escorts as well as La Belle and some G-Clubs, he responded that none of the Gold Escort girls fit his criteria? A, if you are this guy, then forget about AC. They have some pretty girls there, but you will be very unhappy there unless you adjust your sights. In fact, I predict you are going to be very unhappy no matter where you go unless you give up your fixations. 9* to 10*, 18 to 23 year old, model quality Thai girls are not going to be wasting their time on a 2 week cherry Farang who can't speak Thai unless he is Brad or knows some well-placed BKK people to introduce him and show him around. This trip is going to be a disaster unless you loosen up and go with the flow. First, forget the age thing. If not, you will rule out many fantastic girls 23 to 27 years old. Second, shoot for 7* sexy in Soapy massage parlors like La Belle and Go Go's like Baccara and Rainbow 4. The G-clubs are for more seasoned travelers. Third, after you loosen up and start getting a feel for things, hit the oily parlors and enjoy some PSE. Forth, head down to Pattaya and party. I really hope you have a great trip, A, but you got to get rid of a lot of this preconceived BS before that is going to happen. Don't say you were not warned.
Respective gentlemen!
First, I'd like to thank everyone here for input. Just to clarify 3 things: I am not ugly, I am not on a budget and I do like the very best in terms of talent / looks / attidute.
For that reason, semi-pros / FLs or, if time allows, non-pros are my preference anywhere I go, as with them one is more likely to achieve GFE experience. All that said, I'm not blessed with either patience or time and thus can't invest the time needed to cultivate non-pros (although I had some luck by preparing the ground via the internet way in advance). Consequently, I can't afford "fixating" (as one of you put it) only on model-quality.
All this results I always devise a two-prong strategy (that in my great number of trips proved effective) :
1. Prepare well in advance a good list of "regular" places to visit (I. E. Places where model-type beauty is unlikely to be found and *7 with good attitude is the best one can expect).
2. Prepare well in advance a list of places where semi-pros / FLs (on occasion non-pros) congregate and strike my luck there. This includes working the DIA / TLL and the like ahead of the visit.
Given that Phillipinas exhibit good GFE and speak English (based on some posts) and AC has quantities that can be perhaps translated into quality. I tend to choose AC or Manilla over Pattaya, as GFE / English is much more valuable to me than Pattaya, which I understand is similar to NEP, only in greater quantity and more relaxed setting.
In any case, I found your continued input very helpful to think things through. Thank you!
A
I can't really speak to the West vs East issue and it's close to impossible to have numbers on how many girls are currently in the business vs previous years. There are just too many venues spread out over the whole country and marketed to different customers. Ie Farang, Thai, Arab and Japanese. My guess is that there are fewer but that is just based on the fact that Thailand has a fast growing middle class that you can see swarming into the upscale malls in their nice clothes and University outfits buying pricey sweets and eating at Sizzlers. Generally when this happens in society girls find other opportunities than sex for money. Ya, the money is probably still better doing sex for money but not by as much as it used to be. I know regular girls who are now making 15, 000 baht in normal jobs. True if you have a good month as a working girl you can make double this, but there is a price to pay and there is uncertainty and there is danger in this profession and there is a stigma attached to it. So girls have to weigh all this up.
The one thing though that I can attest to is that when I first came here back in the early 90's the Thai working girls who catered to Farangs came from all over Thailand. Girls from Chiang Mai, Suritani, Bangkok, Hat Yai and of course Issan. Now the girls we see in the gogos or the FL's have to be about 95% Issan. Why is that? Because Issan is way behind the rest of the country in economic development. If Issan and the Red Shirts ever get some form of economic equality, we may have to kiss a lot of the scene goodbye. I hear that comparatively we are getting the bottom of the barrel in terms of quality (other than the Arabs who get girls who should not even be in the barrel). The topnotch ones seem to be in the highend Thai and Japanese bars. These are the light skinned girls. But never having been in any of these highend bars I can't say and of course beauty is all subjective.
There are just so many factors at work that I think decrease the number of girls and the quality of girls who are visible to us. Other than those already mentioned, many many girls are going out of country to work where they get paid much better (I currently know 2 girls in Switzerland, one in Bahrain and one in Hong Kong who had been part of my roster only a few months ago) , many girls are doing their marketing on the Internet as Independents or in Escorts and God knows how many girls are being sponsored and so are out of the scene at least till the money stops. Very little of this was going on 10 years ago. But the good news is that there are still thousands to choose from and though they may not all be beauties, they are still much better than most of us are or were getting back home!Agree with you. It is a completely different ball game now. Thailand's economy is smoking, unemployment is low, and wages are up. The P4P scene is developing as it will in any country. No longer do gals with degrees and jobs need to work a little on the side to support themselves. Uni grads make a decent salary and competition for employees is fierce. P4P will becomes less stratified and we will be left with high dollar h*kers and low class h*s, just like we have in the West. Great for gals here but not so fun for the mongers. It has changed and will continue to. Another aspect is the continuing rise to power and prominence of the Thai female. Women outnumber me in Uni and are starting to become more powerful in the workforce. Many are choosing to stay a single "working woman" as opposed to marrying and "taking care of a man." The "feminist" movement will sweep Thailand far faster than it did the West. Hey, we have a female PM. I would not be surprised if this emerging feminism in Thailand did not lead to some major changes in the P4P industry. Can go either way. Legalization or a true crackdown. My bet would be on the latter. And again, sooner than we might think.
Member #4387
02-19-13, 04:13
Except from the largly debate of G-clubs, elite escort agencies we have to also mention the larger nightclubs spred around the citie of BKK. And them catering for the normal farrang mongerer. As I have a few friends working in BKK I sometimes join them to normal venues where a rather successful crowd of BKK people gather up. Here you can find spinners making Lucy Thai (yes I know she is haiwaiian) look rather avarage, hehe.
If you look up my pics from my regular fleet of girls some are met at places like this. You will have a good cance running into beautiful 9-10 ladies, pale skinned and highly educated between 18. 25. But in places like this normal mechanisms will be your pnly chance. People here can afford their own expensive chamagne and trying to outdo them spendinwice will only make you look silly.
Out of respect I have hidden 2 absolute stunners (both thaichineese) from pics shared with you all. As these girl have high possitions even one beeing a pilot. She is 35yrs and have lived most of her life in the US so she can speak those R's. The other one is doing modeling and claims also to have played in some thaisoapes (not main part). So with a good portion of pure luck and decent behaviour everything is possible in amazing Thailand.
One thing I will state is that the upgrowing crowd of young thaipeople becomes more and more international. They speak fairly good english and belonging to the middle to highclass population they go away on holidays as us from norway do. But still they are horny and they all say that I treat them more nice than any thaiguy would.
Strange sort of sarcasm, you have.Hey, just trying to turn sweet a night that went somewhat sour. Taking it with a smile, eh?
FreebieFan
02-19-13, 04:33
Because Issan is way behind the rest of the country in economic development. If Issan and the Red Shirts ever get some form of economic equality, we may have to kiss a lot of the scene goodbye. I hear that comparatively we are getting the bottom of the barrel in terms of quality (other than the Arabs who get girls who should not even be in the barrel). .If we get the bottom of barrel, and the Arabs get beneath the barrel, I'm just wondering what does Mr Delhi and Mr Mumbai get. See more and more of them on every BKK visit, but rarely see them with ladies.
Thanks for the input. You have pursuaded me not to waste my time on Pattaya, as it won't provide and added value. But what do you mean that AC is "way down the food chain"? I am still having trouble deciding wheather to make an excursion to AC from BKK or not.
AAgain I have never been to AC so my opinion is only based on what many people have told me; some that hated AC others that ended up moving to AC. Did you ever make it to Boca Chica in the Dominican Republic? If so, it seems to be like that with no beach. In the middle of nowhere. Bad food, mediocre hotels and pretty much nothing to do except drink and have sex. Gogo's start at noon. That is what people do there. Go to gogos and drink. A squirmy little rundown place where you wonder if the guy drinking next to you is running from the law. So by "way down on the food chain" I mean that of all the millions of places to go in the world there is no reason to go there other than sex. Every foreigner you see is there for that reason and that reason only. There are no legitimate tourists like there are in Thailand. Now depending on what you are looking for and your frame of mind that can be heaven or hell. Now I have been to Manila a few times and I think Filipina girls can be great. You can find some truly beautiful girls there. But of course the drawback is that you are in Manila. The heart of darkness.
If we get the bottom of barrel, and the Arabs get beneath the barrel, I'm just wondering what does Mr Delhi and Mr Mumbai get. See more and more of them on every BKK visit, but rarely see them with ladies.Ladyboys. They just don't know it.
agree with you. it is a completely different ball game now. i would not be surprised if this emerging feminism in thailand did not lead to some major changes in the p4p industry. can go either way. legalization or a true crackdown. my bet would be on the latter. and again, sooner than we might think.this is the big question isn't it? if it comes i don't think it will be due to feminism as much as to pure economics. there is obviously loads of money being made by the sex industry catering to farangs (i don't think the one catering to thai's will ever go away) but our sex trade is just so visible and looks so disreputable. that money goes into a lot of pockets from owners to girls to cops and probably much higher. but there is also much much more money being made through legitimate tourists who spend far more money per person than your average sex tourist. stay in the nicer hotels, eat in better restaurants, take trips etc. i don't know if these two strains of tourism can really co-exist forever. watching families walking down soi 4 is one of the oddest things ever and i think is one reason why the police have been cracking down so hard on street girls over the past couple of years. they are unsightly, they leave a bad impression on tourists, that's what they talk about when they go home. so these two different forces of making money are in conflict with one another and i expect some day. whether next week or in 20 years. that the economic forces of the legitimate tourism will slowly or maybe quickly force the sex industry out or make it much more discreet. goodbye gogos mainly and perhaps the ever expanding beer bar scene. you look around lower sukhumvit and you will see luxury hotels and condos being built by the handful. do you think these places want all this crap going on in their neighborhood? you see the same thing going on in pattaya.
i witnessed this on a smaller scale in boca chica in the dominican republic. back in the 1990's this tiny beachside town was overflowing with chicas; and guys from all over the world went there to sample the sun and the girls. but there were also a few all-inclusive hotels catering to charter flights from europe and these places did not even allow girls to be brought back. so these really were legit tourists with their families and girlfriends. over time these hotels that had the money and influence forced the govt to crack down on the girls and force them out. boca is now a shadow of a shadow of what it used to be.
the other factor is what you mention. thailand is changing faster than a speeding bullet socially and economically and the internet and other modes of communication are pushing that. all of these working girls are on facebook. it's really amazing. it allows thai's to see the rest of the world and also to see how the rest of the world views thailand. the snl skit sort of brought that to the forefront recently. it was embarrassing to the govt and to the thai's. this is how the world really views this country. for all that thailand has to offer and as far as they have come, most of the world still sees thailand as a hooker paradise. at what point do they have enough pride to say enough is enough. how long will it be before a politician sees an opportunity to win votes by promising a crusade to shut down the farang aspects of the sex industry. maybe never or as you say maybe much sooner.
JesseJames
02-19-13, 07:24
Reading current posts makes me inclined to eat rat poison. Things are better than ever as far as I'm concerned, more hot chicks than I can handle. In greater number, places, services and looks. Both in BKK and Pattaya. Screw Grace and the other places. That was yesterday. Gone like Wash Square. Forget the past and don't fear the future.
Nick Depalma
02-19-13, 07:40
Second trip to BKK. 9 days this time, wanted to throw HK and macau into the mix:
Day 1: HK.
Day 2/3: macau.
Day 4-9: BKK, Pattaya.
Logistics: hk ferry from airport to macau, flight from macau to BKK, side trip to patts, flight from BKK back to hk.
HK: not really sure what to do or where to stay in Hk for one day. Got a good dim sum place referral from a friend. Other than that, looking to do some clubbing at night. The 141 scene sounds too low end for this trip. Hows the wan chai scene these days? Recent post from natty suggest that it has fallen off. Is k pressure or mount fuji closer to upscale?
Macau: pork chop bun and bungee jumping. Staying at sands, I'm assuming thats close to the action. Will definitely check out Rio, and then lower end darlings 1 or familia nobre? Anyone been to cubic?
BKK: stayed at omni tower last time, soi 4. Anyone staybeen at Asoke hotel??? Going all upscale this time. Long beach, poseidon, nicer gogos like rainbow 4 or baccara. Had fun at shock 35, will explore cm2. Anything else on par with these places?
Patts: good times at airport gogo and rasputin. A place called climax, that looked interesting. Anyone tried hollywood nightclub?
Hope to have some veteran advice on my ambitious plans, where I should cut out and what to keep.
Off the rtff some more.
Thanks brothers.
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02-19-13, 08:24
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Reading current posts makes me inclined to eat rat poison. Things are better than ever as far as I'm concerned, more hot chicks than I can handle. In greater number, places, services and looks. Both in BKK and Pattaya. Screw Grace and the other places. That was yesterday. Gone like Wash Square. Forget the past and don't fear the future.Wow! I really don't see it that way. Can't comment on Patters, but BKK is a shadow of its former self.
No offense but I rarely hear thailnad mentioned when it comes to up and coming 3rd world countries. I hear vietnam mentioned but never Thailand. India with high poulation of engineers and of course China.Thailand is most certainly not a 3rd world country at the present. Last quarter GDP surged 18. 9%. The economy grew by 3. 6% last quarter. Foreign investment is pouring in. The place is absolutely booming and prices are increasing accordingly. There are over eighty thirty story plus buildings under construction at this time. Ritz Carlton is beginning the tallest building in Thailand and the Waldorf Astoria Thailand is about to break ground. So I would have a rethink about Thailand's position.
Fear not my friend. The policies the reds believe in will only ensure issan remain where it is, in the economic shithole it currently is and has been forever. Kiinda like the hope and change stuff the commie USA president believes in. Misery for all!Have you been to Isaan lately? Do you have any idea what land prices are doing in Isaan? Skyrocketing. Have you seen the development in cities like Udon, KK, Ubon, etc? Isaan is not the poor backwater it was just two decades ago.
Commie president? Really? Obama is center right at best. We have not had a true left leaning president in the US since Roosevelt. Perhaps that is why it is such a mess.
Fear not my friend. The policies the reds believe in will only ensure issan remain where it is, in the economic shithole it currently is and has been forever. Kiinda like the hope and change stuff the commie USA president believes in. Misery for all!Actually not at all. Isaan has prospered under TRT and Pua Thai. It is developing nicely and will continue to do so. In fact, contrary to what is left of the Dem party might tell you, Thailand has done very well economically under TRT and PT. Just take a look at the growth numbers under these admins.
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