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Would never step foot in one.
Thought that was where the LadyBoys get it in.
I'm not trying to follow dick on dick but more power to you guys that like that.Totally agree with this. Each to their own but not for me. I tried the one in the corner of Nana Plaza once about 18 months ago and never again! It was one of the seediest places I have ever visited and bear in mind I have been to Glasgow.
Regards.
BJ
Heading to the airport!
Next stop, Bangkok!
I don't think the Japanese are "racist", but they are "xenophobic", which is quite different.
And this xenophobia is not an individual trait, but a societal trait.
Meet any Japanese abroad, and they will be most friendly to any foreigner.
Get lost in the middle of Tokyo, and within seconds, somebody will come and ask if you need help (Did you ever got that in, say, Paris or London?).
But, as a society, they are very much clannish, and fearful of the foreigners. They recognise differences in habits, cultures, and, as they hate confrontations, they prefer to prevent any such issues with the well known "Japanese only "sign. When I read some comments on this board on the japanese threads, from some loose cannons, I almost understand the japanese approach. And speaking a few words of japanese, does actually break a lot of "japanese only" barriers, which supports the view that is not racism, but fear fo misunderstandings.I absolutely concur about the xenophobia. Your points are accurate and well taken. Spot on with the lost, looking for directions thing. A friend of mine confirms. The only other place I've had a similar thing happen was in San Francisco, of all places. Other western cities? Fuggedaboudit.
My take is that there is also a good dose of "we're a special people." It's not your fault you're not Japanese, so we'll be nice about it. But you'll never be our equal because you're not Japanese. You'll always be a barbarian, or perhaps gaijin is more accurate. You see similar in Mexico, for instance, where many consider themselves part of the "noble race." In LOS you'll always be farang no matter what. So, if that's not racism, it's the next best thing.
Traveler1234
04-03-13, 21:41
I absolutely concur about the xenophobia. So, if that's not racism, it's the next best thing.Slightly different take. Racism is a bias against a specific ethnicity. Whites against blacks, Christians against Muslims. Xenophobia is a general bias against anything that is not identical to you. For instance, Japanese against any non-japanese, whether white, black or other yellow. Just POV
one night . one day in bangkok, j-one, dr. blowjob, som's heaven.
arrived late at bkk, finally it was 22:00 when i left my hotel at soi2 to go for a soapy foam adventure. last time i was here i was well treated, at atami, but this huge placed closed some years go. annies massage was the place i was going for, i was tiered and was not carefully investigating the addresses, asked a few tuktuk, nobody even knew the name, or they wanted me just to have in the vehicle to bring the mongers to a pace of their choice. oh man, annies was at soi 2 and my hotel was at soi 2, but i was just too much dazzled by the time leg of my flight. i had the idea it should be somewhere near soi3 / grace hotel, walked it up, asked all kind of peoples, was sent to all kind of direction. finally one street man pretended to know it, he would walk me there. we walked up all along soi3 until railway lines came, we arrived at a place called plazza entie complex, eurndy / capidy massage (?). mamasan said girls at left side 2500 bhat, girls right side 3500bhat. was not having so much money with me anyhow. asked some other europes about the price here. 'we don't know, maybe 4000? '. i escaped. was desperate, it was already 23:00 these places close at midnight. a tuktuk driver said 'i know'. we landed at j-one massage. big place. i got miss jon (#10) for 3000 (or was it 2500, don't remember?). a cutey, heaven if a young chick, she rubs her soapy body around a man. she had good technique. ok after soap session, sucking session and fu* session, all was ok. she has a baby. she is from isan (of course). felt well after.
sunday lunchtime, there were local election and most bars stayed closed. wanted to check dr. blowjob before i would be heading to cambodia this late afternoon. enough girls were around, i just liked one or two of them i went for the 1000bhat option, the bar manager, a foreigner explained there is no real sharp line between the 800bhat girl and 1000bhat girls. forgot her name, she was kind of tall and her lips looked sexy, cute face and nice attitude. 1st floor they have cabins with curtains and real comfortable king-size chairs. the wash basin is modified in a way to comfort your prick. she gave my best part a good shower. blow work was very well and i enjoyed her licking and sucking my best part. 30 minutes was he sponsored time. looked like i might come in the very beginning, did not cede this feeling as enough time was left. oh yes, i need recovery time of at least 24 hours for a new shot, the last sperm jumping was juts ½ day ago at midnight with lovely jon. i explained my lady that i would / could not come, but that she should not worry, i reassured she was good. sorry no tip. some hours later i was away in the air towards cambodia.
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tuesday. 23:00 back in bkk again after a week. went for dr. blowjob, soi7/1 again. 2 ladies with a fresh face were sitting in front of the establishment, together with other girls of the bar. one was holding a menu / 700/1000bhat. i went to her with cheerful face and i told her: its her i would like to go. shit, she was not for service, just doing publicity for the bar. ok. 2nd one was cute too. same again, an angry lady showed up and explained that both girls are not available, but all the others. i got angry too, why she sits in front of this bar when she is a fake! went inside, all girls paraded, not one was pleasing me.
continued to famous eden club next doors, had gorgeous moments at this place 5 yers ago. ups 4500 bhat per session. 90 min with 2 girls. but girls where bad, bad, old, nothing fresh and cute. place was completely empty no customers. continued to [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) at soi 8. completely empty too. took miss dao, tall girl, round face. holy shit, no cock washing facilities upstairs, she even complained that i wanted to wash my best part. finally she opened the toilet, a bucket of water was there, no soap, she pretended not to understand the word soap. blowing was medium level, no cim, she firmly closed her lips when i came. hey, blowjob bar with no cim, not possible, bad service!
continued to soi cowboy. stepped in at 'ater school bar' they tried to please me with an unattractive young girl. no room for sucking they have, blowjob for 800 would be done in some dark corner of the room. was not tempted, my eggs were empty anyhow. soi cowoy is extremely busy, noisy, the more girls i saw the less i was feeling to go with them. 'come in mister, come in', small talk. i hate, girls you hardly can talk anything with them. checked som's heaven. its on soi10. quiet corner. girls welcomed me and i liked tall miss sa. i was sitting with her. i liked her from the 1st minute, decided to take her for overnight. paid 500 bar fee, it was late, one o clock in the morning, thought there would be no bar fee t that time any more? sa wanted 3000, she came down to 2500, but i gave her 3000 next day, as she was good. we walked to nana hotel. i was curious if she would complain long walking and ask for a taxi, but she did not. sex was great with her, clean and small pussy, we fu. ed long and from all sides, think she came and she called me cool, cool. blow job was weak, just licking with tongue, no real sucking. wonder how in a blow job bar she could stand with this? great gf sex, but not much caressing and technique from her side. nice sleeping next to her. another session in the morning. she is from isan. she did not like i checked her name on her i'd card, she had a christian name andrea? ok all 4 today air plane was leaving in the evening anyhow.
john
not to forget comfortable armchair plus prick-washing-basin at dr. blowjob 1st floor.
(and nothing like this at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900)!)
Paul Kausch
04-03-13, 23:05
The only other place I've had a similar thing happen was in San Francisco, of all places. Other western cities? Fuggedaboudit.Thank you for the compliment. As a long time resident of San Francisco I often offer help to confused visitors to the city by the bay. Most of my friends do the same. We feel fortune to live in a fantastic city and take pride in being friendly and welcoming.
NeverGetsOld
04-04-13, 04:30
What's up with EE: Consultant Name: Take's Itdeep?
700 B, same for take out?
I wouldn't mind adding some protein to her diet when I come later this week.
Day 1: Went to Annies. The place was near my hotel so I was able to walk. It was really hot in Bangkok when I went, I was soaked in sweat when I got there. Language was bit of an issue with mamasan as I tried to understand the menu. I soon realized there's only one item on the menu-everything. Chose my girl (very cute). The room was a little ratty but the two hour session was excellent. You start on a rubber mattress, then a shower, then the bed (massage, etc.). Oh yeah, you get two pops. The best session I had in Bangkok.
Day 2: Went to try the Nuru massage I've been reading so much about. Ended up going to Akane (Chidlom branch). Man, what a waste of money this was. The lineup was some of the least attractive women I've seen in Bangkok. I picked one who was enthusiastic enough before the selection, but enthusiasm ended once we got to the room (which has seen better days). The lotion she used started off slimy and dried quickly. I'm glad I got the cheapest thing on the menu. (60 min lotion massage).
Day 3: For my last day I decided to treat myself and scheduled a girl with Bangkok Gold Escorts. Considering what I've read on this forum my expectations were high. But why not, they're one of the most expensive services in Bangkok. I selected May. That night my front desk called and I had to go down to the hotel lobby and bring her up (a little embarrassing). Anyway, when I saw her I knew things weren't going to work out. Complements to the photographer who took her picture for the website because she doesn't look anything like that. Also, she had spots / pimples all around her mouth and I was definitely not going to kiss that. Anyway, after some smalltalk I broke the bad news. I felt bad about it, but finally gave her cab fare and sent her on her way.
That's my trip: the good, the bad and the ugly.
Member #4590
04-04-13, 06:58
Have had a good read of the forum and had a bit of time in Bangkok to experience the pleasures, so here is my overview and insight, some comments lift from others:
Quick comment: Not to be discriminating, but as the girls are I'll give a heads up. They know what type of people we are and charge accordingly. Words from the horses mouth from several gives: Westerners shag longer, have larger cocks, haggle more and tip less, especially relative to Asians and Japanese. Therefore the girls will either defer for an Asian (bad luck) or for a freelance, expect to pay 500 baht or so less than a Japanese person and tips less expected (good luck).
1) Soi Cowboy, generally a damn good street. Bacarra is the best, great girls, and the second floor has a glass floor and the girls all wear short skirts and no pants. And every twenty minutes they take their shirts off (no bras) for 10 minutes. Staff not too pushy, beers 140 baht, girl drinks not much more ( 200 baht). Not too much pressure. Bar fine 600, take out 2500 for 2 hours. Girls all 18 (barely).25 ish. Very attractive. No cover charges.
2) Nana plaza. Basically get horny in Soi and come to Nana to have fun. Girls of attractive, though they can be picky (I. E. They charge more to, for example, Japanese, expect more tips and expect less work all relative to Westerners).1500 baht for 2 hours, met a girl called Natalie. 25, great session, GFE works. All decent hotels in the area are GF, they just hand over I'd. Nana starts as early as 6pm, but by 10pm to 1am is in full swing. Quoted Long time for 3000 baht. Obviously no bar fines if you get them on the street, many are fluent in English. The bars in Nana charge the same as Soi Cowboy, but not so fun.
3) Went to Annies. 2500 for 2 hours. As expected, two pops, first in a soapy bath, then long massage, followed by BBBJ, covered sex and then whatever you want to finish. I had number 19, great girl, lots of effort and good fun. Definitely worth it for the bang to buck.
Other options:
- There is 1 more area like Soi Cowboy, but Soi has plenty.
- And massage place that has private rooms can be potentially enlisted for HJ's.
- Annie's (more central) , Cherry, Mango and Tulip in that order.
- EZ1, EZ2 and SnowWhite also options.
EZ will set you back 2400 plus a tip of around 500. Cherry and Mango are 800 plus a tip of around 1600. I think most experienced guys feel they have a better chance of a getting a good PSE at Cherry or Mango.
Other options (price before tips) :
1. Star of Light. 700 Bahts.
2, Lollipop. 700 Bahts.
3. Dr BJ's 700 Baht.
4. Yuki in Akane. While the place is a little sub-standard, the service is simply outstanding, within the regulation of this very special massage place on Soi 33. No chance for any FS, but the prostate / ball massage is really great. Quotes of 1500 for full sex. 1400 of Happy Ending massage.
Have fun!
What's up with EE: Consultant Name: Take's Itdeep?
700 B, same for take out?
I wouldn't mind adding some protein to her diet when I come later this week.One of our most talented ladies. Being a consultant the price of a BJ from her is actually 1, 000 baht. It is the Nurses who cost 700. Our take out or out call prices do not work the same way they do in go-go bars where you pay a bar fine and "negotiate" the price with the lady. We have a flat rate of 5, 000 baht for a consultant (3, 000 for a Nurse) and you are not required to pay the lady any more. Whether a customer gives the lady a tip or not is, as the saying goes "up to you".
Regards,
BJ
SexPerimenter
04-04-13, 14:46
I spoke with one of my favorites from Fantasia at NEP and she said the place hasn't been very busy lately and she hadn't been barfined in a couple weeks? She's young, great looking and has a great body. Are all the usual punters off somewhere else in April?
I walked down Soi 6 and almost all the bars were empty and most had a half dozen women outside saying "hi" and trying to entice me inside.
Paul Kausch
04-04-13, 15:18
I spoke with one of my favorites from Fantasia at NEP and she said the place hasn't been very busy lately and she hadn't been barfined in a couple weeks? She's young, great looking and has a great body. Are all the usual punters off somewhere else in April?
I walked down Soi 6 and almost all the bars were empty and most had a half dozen women outside saying "hi" and trying to entice me inside.Yes, they're off somewhere. It's April. The high season is over. Wait until October when the rains pour and the streets flood. The bars really suffer then.
Hello Gentlemen,
I would have a few questions for you. I have been to Bangkok in the past and understand most of the workings.
1. My question si how much does this change during Songkran? I will be there partly during this time. Will all the parlors be closed? Is there anything else I need to be aware of except the water guns?
2. Also would anyone have a recommendations for some adult entertainment that would include a female partner? My girlfriend is not the jealous type and would be interested in seeing some sexy shows etc. Any suggestions where one could do that in Bangkok without ending up in some dodgy place on the 4th floor.
Your suggestions would be most welcome.
Have a good one!
I spoke with one of my favorites from Fantasia at NEP and she said the place hasn't been very busy lately and she hadn't been barfined in a couple weeks? She's young, great looking and has a great body. Are all the usual punters off somewhere else in April?
I walked down Soi 6 and almost all the bars were empty and most had a half dozen women outside saying "hi" and trying to entice me inside.That's interesting! A couple of weeks ago a senior member specifically asked me on this board if tourist numbers were down in the lower Suk area. I responded that indeed compared to 12 months ago most bars and go-go's were experiencing a big reduction in customer numbers. This was refuted by about 3 people, one even quoted official Thai tourist board figures to contradict my answer. Point being I was not asked about the general number of tourists visiting Thailand but specifically this area. Seems your experience supports what I was saying.
Regards,
BJ
NeverGetsOld
04-04-13, 17:31
One of our most talented ladies. Being a consultant the price of a BJ from her is actually 1, 000 baht. It is the Nurses who cost 700. Our take out or out call prices do not work the same way they do in go-go bars where you pay a bar fine and "negotiate" the price with the lady. We have a flat rate of 5, 000 baht for a consultant (3, 000 for a Nurse) and you are not required to pay the lady any more. Whether a customer gives the lady a tip or not is, as the saying goes "up to you".
Regards,
BJNot bad, I'll make sure to bless her esophagus when I have a nut to spare.
Awesome Man
04-04-13, 18:03
How far is between Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza? And where is Patpong in comparison?
Wolvenvacht
04-04-13, 18:34
Hello Gentlemen,
I would have a few questions for you. I have been to Bangkok in the past and understand most of the workings.
1. My question si how much does this change during Songkran? I will be there partly during this time. Will all the parlors be closed? Is there anything else I need to be aware of except the water guns?Buckets of water, water hoses, trucks with electric pumps that rival a riot police water cannon truck, ... :) Last year I did not see any parlors closed for Songkran. Most were fully staffed but the girls were more in a festive mood and less into their "business".
2. Also would anyone have a recommendations for some adult entertainment that would include a female partner? My girlfriend is not the jealous type and would be interested in seeing some sexy shows etc. Any suggestions where one could do that in Bangkok without ending up in some dodgy place on the 4th floor.Any a-gogo club in Soi Cowboy. The shows start usually at or after 10PM. The a-gogo clubs in Soi Cowboy are not dodgy, although it can do no harm to check your drink tabs. Errors and mistakes do happen, but if you point it out immediately it will be corrected without undue hassle. I never had anyone charge me outrageous prices, it is all very much ok there.
Wolvenvacht
04-04-13, 18:39
How far is between Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza? And where is Patpong in comparison?One stop on the skytrain or about 20 minutes walking (at a slow pace) between Nana and Soi Cowboy.
Nana to Patpong is too far to walk. Take a taxi or a combination of Skytrain and metro.
Big Poppa II
04-04-13, 20:06
How far is between Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza? And where is Patpong in comparison?Use Google maps, you even get a street view. I knew how all the places look even before I got there.
BP
One of our most talented ladies. Being a consultant the price of a BJ from her is actually 1, 000 baht. It is the Nurses who cost 700. Our take out or out call prices do not work the same way they do in go-go bars where you pay a bar fine and "negotiate" the price with the lady. We have a flat rate of 5, 000 baht for a consultant (3, 000 for a Nurse) and you are not required to pay the lady any more. Whether a customer gives the lady a tip or not is, as the saying goes "up to you".
Regards,
BJIf one takes a consultant for an out call, how many hours does the guy have the girl available?
Thanks, that is why I love this forum, I think we don't appreciate it enough sometimes here when we get good answers!
Buckets of water, water hoses, trucks with electric pumps that rival a riot police water cannon truck, . Last year I did not see any parlors closed for Songkran. Most were fully staffed but the girls were more in a festive mood and less into their "business".
Any a-gogo club in Soi Cowboy. The shows start usually at or after 10PM. The a-gogo clubs in Soi Cowboy are not dodgy, although it can do no harm to check your drink tabs. Errors and mistakes do happen, but if you point it out immediately it will be corrected without undue hassle. I never had anyone charge me outrageous prices, it is all very much ok there.
Chris Long
04-04-13, 23:35
Have had a good read of the forum and had a bit of time in Bangkok to experience the pleasures, so here is my overview and insight, some comments lift from others:
Quick comment: Not to be discriminating, but as the girls are I'll give a heads up. They know what type of people we are and charge accordingly. Words from the horses mouth from several gives: Westerners shag longer, have larger cocks, haggle more and tip less, especially relative to Asians and Japanese. Therefore the girls will either defer for an Asian (bad luck) or for a freelance, expect to pay 500 baht or so less than a Japanese person and tips less expected (good luck).
1) Soi Cowboy, generally a damn good street. Bacarra is the best, great girls, and the second floor has a glass floor and the girls all wear short skirts and no pants. And every twenty minutes they take their shirts off (no bras) for 10 minutes. Staff not too pushy, beers 140 baht, girl drinks not much more (200 baht). Not too much pressure. Bar fine 600, take out 2500 for 2 hours. Girls all 18 (barely).25 ish. Very attractive. No cover charges.
2) Nana plaza. Basically get horny in Soi and come to Nana to have fun. Girls of attractive, though they can be picky (I. E. They charge more to, for example, Japanese, expect more tips and expect less work all relative to Westerners).1500 baht for 2 hours, met a girl called Natalie. 25, great session, GFE works. All decent hotels in the area are GF, they just hand over I'd. Nana starts as early as 6pm, but by 10pm to 1am is in full swing. Quoted Long time for 3000 baht. Obviously no bar fines if you get them on the street, many are fluent in English. The bars in Nana charge the same as Soi Cowboy, but not so fun.
3) Went to Annies. 2500 for 2 hours. As expected, two pops, first in a soapy bath, then long massage, followed by BBBJ, covered sex and then whatever you want to finish. I had number 19, great girl, lots of effort and good fun. Definitely worth it for the bang to buck.
Other options:
- There is 1 more area like Soi Cowboy, but Soi has plenty.
- And massage place that has private rooms can be potentially enlisted for HJ's.
- Annie's (more central) , Cherry, Mango and Tulip in that order.
- EZ1, EZ2 and SnowWhite also options.
EZ will set you back 2400 plus a tip of around 500. Cherry and Mango are 800 plus a tip of around 1600. I think most experienced guys feel they have a better chance of a getting a good PSE at Cherry or Mango.
Other options (price before tips) :
1. Star of Light. 700 Bahts.
2, Lollipop. 700 Bahts.
3. Dr BJ's 700 Baht.
4. Yuki in Akane. While the place is a little sub-standard, the service is simply outstanding, within the regulation of this very special massage place on Soi 33. No chance for any FS, but the prostate / ball massage is really great. Quotes of 1500 for full sex. 1400 of Happy Ending massage.
Have fun!Great information exactly what a first timer needs.
Chris
I wonder if it is a BAD time going to BKK in June / July is I am going for the girls only?
Is it lowseason in BKK and no good looking girls in the bars?
Damn I have already booked my tickets 25 June. 5 July.
But IF there are as much girls in the bars but not as much customers in the summer it whould be a GOOD time to visit becouse its more good looking girls but not so many gauy after them? .
Hmmmm help me here.
With all my trips to this wonderful town, I never pulled from a Gogo. I wanted to give it a shot.
On Wednesday night I did. Spanky's girl age 22 very cute with nice smile and decent body. She sat next to me and immediately started to deep kiss while I stuck my finger up her ass. So I knew I would take her. The fees here are 600 BF. plus 2000 for girl ST. You pay before you leave the place.
I negotiated what I wanted before I paid and left. She agreed to everything. She asked 2 questions: Can you have baby? (I have vasectomy) and You cum outside, OK? No problem.
She performed as agreed. No issues except a little smokers mouth.
With drinks I paid 3000 B.
But, she was really no different than the SW's.
A SW is a much better option for me. The same service and quality of girl for 1000 B.
That's interesting! A couple of weeks ago a senior member specifically asked me on this board if tourist numbers were down in the lower Suk area. I responded that indeed compared to 12 months ago most bars and go-go's were experiencing a big reduction in customer numbers. This was refuted by about 3 people, one even quoted official Thai tourist board figures to contradict my answer. Point being I was not asked about the general number of tourists visiting Thailand but specifically this area. Seems your experience supports what I was saying.
Regards,
BJThere are far less "monger" tourists, that is for sure."Regular" tourist numbers continue to rise. I think this trend will continue. Bangkok is not the same s*x destination it used to be and probably won't be again. Really, it has become all hat and no cattle. I see bar owners spending tons of cash on their bars, yet with the exception of a few bars with pricey drinks and gals (most of whom underperform) , the talent level just ain't that great. I even see some of our Asian wh*ring brethren with gals I would have not been caught dead with 10 yrs ago. But the country has developed and gals with half a brain can get a decent paying job and don't have to rent their snapper. So again we will have what we see in the West eventually. Cheap skanks and expensive lookers and that is not why most mongers made the pilgrimage to BKK. Many of my friends who were regulars for over a decade no longer come to BKK. Pattaya, maybe but not BKK.
Another factor is drink costs. 150 plus for a local beer when you can get a pint of Belgian on Soi 15 for 180 or a half liter at some places for 140? Take out the value for money and the fun (which is long gone) and you have a scene in decline and this news certainly makes the internet rounds as well.
Hello colleagues,
I'm coming to BKK in the coming days and wouldn't mind a wingman to go to:
1. High-end soapies.
2. G-clubs
3. Clubs.
PM me, if interested.
A
There are far less "monger" tourists, that is for sure."Regular" tourist numbers continue to rise. I think this trend will continue. Bangkok is not the same s*x destination it used to be and probably won't be again. Really, it has become all hat and no cattle. I see bar owners spending tons of cash on their bars, yet with the exception of a few bars with pricey drinks and gals (most of whom underperform) , the talent level just ain't that great. I even see some of our Asian wh*ring brethren with gals I would have not been caught dead with 10 yrs ago. But the country has developed and gals with half a brain can get a decent paying job and don't have to rent their snapper. So again we will have what we see in the West eventually. Cheap skanks and expensive lookers and that is not why most mongers made the pilgrimage to BKK. Many of my friends who were regulars for over a decade no longer come to BKK. Pattaya, maybe but not BKK.
Another factor is drink costs. 150 plus for a local beer when you can get a pint of Belgian on Soi 15 for 180 or a half liter at some places for 140? Take out the value for money and the fun (which is long gone) and you have a scene in decline and this news certainly makes the internet rounds as well.Well said. The Thai economy has been booming for the last few years. As you said, anybody with half a brain can get a regular job. In fact, I understand that employers across the board are having a hard time finding personnel.
TH is no longer the value it once was. I've been coming here, more or less yearly, since 1999. I stopped the go-go scene a couple of years back. Now I'm just amazed at the prices and shitty service everybody seems to put up with, and consider normal. Wow. But sorry, $20 bar fines, $100 short times, $6 or $7 beers, are you fucking kidding me? Add to that well over $1, 000 airfare from the USA, and other destinations look a whole lot more attractive. TH used to be a wonderful place for complete GFE at a reasonable rate. Now, with this shitty state of affairs, Tijuana (in some respects) is actually a better alternative, and I thought I'd NEVER say that.
Having said that, I'm typing this from my hotel room near Suk soi 20. Got in last night. I will NEVER take a flight that arrives at 1:30am again. GF (non-BG) and I are heading up north, later today, to pay respects to family.
For all the insanity, Thailand is still a pretty neat place to visit. Now where's my som tam?
Well said. The Thai economy has been booming for the last few years. As you said, anybody with half a brain can get a regular job. In fact, I understand that employers across the board are having a hard time finding personnel.
TH is no longer the value it once was. I've been coming here, more or less yearly, since 1999. I stopped the go-go scene a couple of years back. Now I'm just amazed at the prices and shitty service everybody seems to put up with, and consider normal. Wow. But sorry, $20 bar fines, $100 short times, $6 or $7 beers, are you fucking kidding me? Add to that well over $1, 000 airfare from the USA, and other destinations look a whole lot more attractive. TH used to be a wonderful place for complete GFE at a reasonable rate. Now, with this shitty state of affairs, Tijuana (in some respects) is actually a better alternative, and I thought I'd NEVER say that.
Having said that, I'm typing this from my hotel room near Suk soi 20. Got in last night. I will NEVER take a flight that arrives at 1:30am again. GF (non-BG) and I are heading up north, later today, to pay respects to family.
For all the insanity, Thailand is still a pretty neat place to visit. Now where's my som tam?You are exactly right. Thailand (especially Bangkok) is so overpriced now. Taking into account that I need a Hotel in Thailand, I am even cheaper and better off in Hong Kong these days. Something I would not have believed a while ago. Let the fools part with their money.
With the USA in permanent decline for now.What? "Permanent decline for now". You might want to rethink / rephrase that one.
SailSingapore
04-05-13, 05:50
Well said. The Thai economy has been booming for the last few years. As you said, anybody with half a brain can get a regular job. In fact, I understand that employers across the board are having a hard time finding personnel.
TH is no longer the value it once was. I've been coming here, more or less yearly, since 1999. I stopped the go-go scene a couple of years back. Now I'm just amazed at the prices and shitty service everybody seems to put up with, and consider normal. Wow. But sorry, $20 bar fines, $100 short times, $6 or $7 beers, are you fucking kidding me? Add to that well over $1, 000 airfare from the USA, and other destinations look a whole lot more attractive. TH used to be a wonderful place for complete GFE at a reasonable rate. Now, with this shitty state of affairs, Tijuana (in some respects) is actually a better alternative, and I thought I'd NEVER say that.
Having said that, I'm typing this from my hotel room near Suk soi 20. Got in last night. I will NEVER take a flight that arrives at 1:30am again. GF (non-BG) and I are heading up north, later today, to pay respects to family.
For all the insanity, Thailand is still a pretty neat place to visit. Now where's my som tam?Hahha! BACK TO SoCal in the 70's! Tijuana for cheap floozies, cerveza & fish taco. As well as skunk-weed.
What? "Permanent decline for now". You might want to rethink / rephrase that one.Is that like Same-same, but different? :D
Hahha! BACK TO SoCal in the 70's! Tijuana for cheap floozies, cerveza & fish taco. As well as skunk-weed.LOL. As much as I like Thai food, its got nothing on a Baja Fish Taco!
Member #4414
04-05-13, 06:24
TH is no longer the value it once was. I've been coming here, more or less yearly, since 1999.Visited the first time that same year, while on regional travel (China, Laos, Cambodia etc) , and now finding the same.
Only started mongering here in the early 00s though. Interestingly it seems the prices for 'some' things have not risen majorly in that whole time, while for other things we're being gouged. Late 90s was of course the crash time for their economy? So in some ways we were spoilt with the value we were getting back then and into the early to mid 00s. Now it is back to normal, and we're having to be far more disciplined with expenditure, combined with the other factors like our weaker currencies, rising flight costs etc.
Mind blowing sex with pretty Girls in their early 20s is still to be found, but it puts a dent in my wallet that increasingly is putting me on the back foot each time when converting into the total in my own currency. It has meant a slow retreat on this visit to being mainly beach lounging with great food, only 'occasional' visits to WG. In many ways I was spoiled by frequent former meet ups with a GFE BG who didn't want regular payment for daily boom boom, but just the occasional thing bought for her etc.
Recently one of the lookers I visit in the Mini 'naughty' Massage Joints on Ko Samui said that they get a huge amount of young and fit handsome male tourists showing up at the door who either expect a freebie 'because' they are young, fit and handsome, or have swallowed this mythology still doing the rounds back home that pretty young Girls are to be had for about B200 in Thailand, and tend to leave the joint with their saddle bags still fully loaded as a result. What is charged is still far better than Escort prices in the west for sure, but expenditure for Boom Boom (for Falang) seems to be completely unrealistic to other local costs that we pay here. It has become a lifestyle choice for some Girls to make big money fast, rather like Western Escorts. Men get gouged as a result.
For all the insanity, Thailand is still a pretty neat place to visit. Now where's my som tam?Agreed, and this is its fall back. Although it is not ending up as a 'new snatch every day' for me, there has been contentment in the fact that the beach lounging is still blissfull, getting bronzed on the sand, turquoise water, som tam and paneng curry. In so many ways Thailand is a great little holiday destination in itself. If it wasn't, by now I would have called it a day for visits.
Indonesia is looking like my new 'travel+monger' place now though.
Impressed by it for travel last year and had some great sex at reasonable prices I could roll with.
SailSingapore
04-05-13, 07:05
LOL. As much as I like Thai food, its got nothing on a Baja Fish Taco!Hahaha! Remember the excellent, cheap & tasty LOBSTER Taco's in Baja? LOL!
Get with the present, the here and now.
It aint that bad!
By the time BKK reaches western status you will be long gone. I'm assuming you way past 50. LOL.Not even 50 dude. Been here since my mid-30s. The "present" state of affairs is pretty bad.
With the USA in permanent decline for now. The rest of the world will have a hard time prospering. So goes america the rest of the world will follow! Thai girls will will have to reopen their SNAPPERS to make a living again. LOL.Uh, no. The US is and will become less and less relevant as Asian markets develop. And Harold, in many ways Thailand has passed Western Standards.
Well said. The Thai economy has been booming for the last few years. As you said, anybody with half a brain can get a regular job. In fact, I understand that employers across the board are having a hard time finding personnel.
TH is no longer the value it once was. I've been coming here, more or less yearly, since 1999. I stopped the go-go scene a couple of years back. Now I'm just amazed at the prices and shitty service everybody seems to put up with, and consider normal. Wow. But sorry, $20 bar fines, $100 short times, $6 or $7 beers, are you fucking kidding me? Add to that well over $1, 000 airfare from the USA, and other destinations look a whole lot more attractive. TH used to be a wonderful place for complete GFE at a reasonable rate. Now, with this shitty state of affairs, Tijuana (in some respects) is actually a better alternative, and I thought I'd NEVER say that.
Having said that, I'm typing this from my hotel room near Suk soi 20. Got in last night. I will NEVER take a flight that arrives at 1:30am again. GF (non-BG) and I are heading up north, later today, to pay respects to family.
For all the insanity, Thailand is still a pretty neat place to visit. Now where's my som tam?And it is a pretty decent place to live for reasons other than pooty. Yep. 100 USD for a wham bam is a rip off, and I am amazed how many guys are willing to put up with this. Really it is not the girls fault at all. Good on them. It is the fools that come here, stick it in, and in 6 seconds are in love / lust.
And it is not about being cheap. I would have no issue at all paying 100 USD for a good looking gal that scr*ws like a porn star.
I wonder if it is a BAD time going to BKK in June / July is I am going for the girls only?
Is it lowseason in BKK and no good looking girls in the bars?
Damn I have already booked my tickets 25 June. 5 July.
But IF there are as much girls in the bars but not as much customers in the summer it whould be a GOOD time to visit becouse its more good looking girls but not so many gauy after them? .
Hmmmm help me here.Just go and report back. BKK is good at any time of the year to find girls.
The offer is so wide that even a drop of 20% in availability will not be noticed
If one takes a consultant for an out call, how many hours does the guy have the girl available?Our policy on out call is any time after 1 pm until 8 am the following morning. Which I think represents very good value for money.
Regards.
BJ
Somewhere15
04-05-13, 13:14
Hello Gentlemen,
I would have a few questions for you. I have been to Bangkok in the past and understand most of the workings.
1. My question si how much does this change during Songkran? I will be there partly during this time. Will all the parlors be closed? Is there anything else I need to be aware of except the water guns?
2. Also would anyone have a recommendations for some adult entertainment that would include a female partner? My girlfriend is not the jealous type and would be interested in seeing some sexy shows etc. Any suggestions where one could do that in Bangkok without ending up in some dodgy place on the 4th floor.
Your suggestions would be most welcome.
Have a good one!As far as I remember everything is normal except that you get a lot of showers.
Guess the pictures illustrate how the City change (more during daytime).
Enjoy and put your valuables in a plastic bag (the are always people who sells this during Songkrang).
Is it lowseason in BKK and no good looking girls in the bars?
Damn I have already booked my tickets 25 June. 5 July.Don't panic my man. When you get here it is more of a buyers market. Less punters to girls ratio so the likelihood of better bargaining and enhanced performance is higher.
Regards,
BJ
With all my trips to this wonderful town, I never pulled from a Gogo. I wanted to give it a shot.
On Wednesday night I did. Spanky's girl age 22 very cute with nice smile and decent body. She sat next to me and immediately started to deep kiss while I stuck my finger up her ass. So I knew I would take her. The fees here are 600 BF. Plus 2000 for girl ST. You pay before you leave the place.
I negotiated what I wanted before I paid and left. She agreed to everything. She asked 2 questions: Can you have baby? (I have vasectomy) and You cum outside, OK? No problem.
She performed as agreed. No issues except a little smokers mouth.
With drinks I paid 3000 B.
But, she was really no different than the SW's.
A SW is a much better option for me. The same service and quality of girl for 1000 B.Of course you can. You are a sexpat pensioner who practically lives there who sounds like he maybe on a budget. If you and other sexpats can't find cheap / cheaper pussy then who can?
Many of us who have more money than time can't be bothered with that hunt and as you say if the quality turns out to be the same then why would I want to spend all that time and useless energy just to save 30 or 40 bucks for the same thing I can get sitting comfortably with a drink with all that possibility before me?
The only issue that would sway me in the end is service. But as long as I can wrangle excellent service from the Nana girls I choose then life is (at least for that 6-8 hours) heaven!
As you learned recently in the escort thread some of us don't need the cheapest alternative.
One Night in Bangkok.
Actually I was there around 1 week, but I thought the title sounded better)
Bangkok, Bangkok. What a city. So much fun & energy there.
Before starting, an important advice if you come for short time & don't speak thai :
Forget the dating scene. You will spend lot more money, drink more, sleep less and get probably (99, 9%) sure uglier girls. And at the end you will sponsor them anyway.
So better to focus on venues like Nana, Soi Cowboy, Patpong or Nataree. You will find there great girls, and if you choose wisely the girl, you will have a nice "girlfriend / boyfriend" treatment with a beautiful girl.
Choosing wisely? Its the difficult part, many times you want the young atomic bomb dancing in front of you, no matter what. And finally sex / treatment is not so good.
Be careful. 50% of the girls at least in these venues are "big money" focus, and prefer to get japanese clients than "farangs". Why? I asked many and all of them answered same : short dick. 5 minutes sex and big tips. Always funny to see these girls going out with the client, and come back 20 minutes after. In one night, they can make lots of $$ without sweating too much.
Best girls must meet these requirements :
- she speak minimum english, always better chemistry for the night / action.
- she want to go to your place, and doesn't mind not going to the venue' cheap hotel.
- she is open minded on short time hours, not only 1h strict.
Now the action.
Massages. No need to list the others, without any doubts Nataree has really the best ratio price / girls, only issue its the rooms, not so clean.
GoGo bars.
- Soi Cowboy, great for starting the night, and have fun with coyotes & gogos. Baccara has many nice girls, but 90% like a lot japanese (see above why.)
- Nana, best place for ratio quality / price, you will find there sometimes nice SW around Nana Plaza too. Inside the plaza, you will always find a girl you like there, there are places for every taste.
- Patpong, it was the first place in Bangkok for hot nightlife long time ago, now its lot more quiet but I like places like Bada Bing & Pink Panther, girls are dancing there at least not like Baccara or Rainbow where they just move the foot fingers at best.
It was a short resume but I think its better not to say too much so you can experience the full Bangkok nightlife by yourself with this few tips.
Member #4387
04-05-13, 17:15
I wonder if it is a BAD time going to BKK in June / July is I am going for the girls only?
Is it lowseason in BKK and no good looking girls in the bars?
Damn I have already booked my tickets 25 June. 5 July.
But IF there are as much girls in the bars but not as much customers in the summer it whould be a GOOD time to visit becouse its more good looking girls but not so many gauy after them? .
Hmmmm help me here.BKK is excellent choice as allways. June / July beeing no exception. Don't listen to the moody mongerers viewing BKK going downhill in girls selctions and upwards in prices. BKK is from my point of view extremely cheap from all perspectives (girls incl). Many beautiful girls out there and less punters as stated from some other posters around this time of year. I have been into town 10-15 times per year the last 7 years and I have not seen any dramaticaly changes in any sceene or prices. I think I even notice an increese in FL nightclubgirls and the girls get prettier and prettier. Maby more girls choose this instead of making dancelookalike steps on a go go stage (sometimes both ofcourse).
So good months to travel to BKK but I woull answered the same no matter what month you`the picked.
Our policy on out call is any time after 1 pm until 8 am the following morning. Which I think represents very good value for money.
Regards.
BJSounds like very good value for money. I'll definitely give it a try when I come to Bangkok later this year.
How long beforehand would it be recommendable to order a popular girl like EE for a take out?
I really doubt there are many falling for $100 girls. We know what they are there for and the girls know what they are there for.
Quickies with a pretty girl.
Dr BJ mentioned bargirls may be a bit more in tune with economices thean we give them credit for. I don't think this is the case for the majority. But I do question some of the customer economics theory. LOL. If a 1000 guys pay $100 at a top agogo for a quickie then its a pretty good indication its not a ripoff price-its the price the buyers and sellers have established-a fair price.Harold, if you are paying a 600 baht barfine, then 2k for ST, and buying a couple of drinks; guess what? You have spent 100 bucks. If 1000 guys pay that, then there are 1000 fools. And BTW, the quickie thing was not the rule until rather recently.
Do not let low season stop you from going. I am in Thailand two times a year for three months each time. The cool season and the low season. And I am there for the low season because of it being that; the low season. Less farang walking around but still lots of talent in various venues. So go. And enjoy!
I wonder if it is a BAD time going to BKK in June / July is I am going for the girls only?
Is it lowseason in BKK and no good looking girls in the bars?
Damn I have already booked my tickets 25 June. 5 July.
But IF there are as much girls in the bars but not as much customers in the summer it whould be a GOOD time to visit becouse its more good looking girls but not so many gauy after them? .
Hmmmm help me here.
Do not let low season stop you from going. I am in Thailand two times a year for three months each time. The cool season and the low season. And I am there for the low season because of it being that; the low season. Less farang walking around but still lots of talent in various venues. So go. And enjoy!Two times a year for three months each makes 6 months. You cover the whole year more or less, LOL
Harold, if you are paying a 600 baht barfine, then 2k for ST, and buying a couple of drinks; guess what? You have spent 100 bucks. If 1000 guys pay that, then there are 1000 fools. And BTW, the quickie thing was not the rule until rather recently.I think the reference of the 100$ girls covers that anount going to the girl, not the amount spent during the course of the evening to entartain yourself, including then BF, drinks etc.
Crocodilexp
04-05-13, 19:10
I think the reference of the 100$ girls covers that anount going to the girl, not the amount spent during the course of the evening to entartain yourself, including then BF, drinks etc.There's a difference between evening's entertainment, and an almost-mandatory lady drink or two, unavoidable barfine and negotiated fare. For the non-drinkers, also throw in the cost of our drink while we choose. It doesn't matter exactly how much goes to the girl. Punters in Amsterdam or Frankfurt RLDs are not considering the the room rental costs and taxes either (which can be substantial) , what matters is total cost.
FrankieT035
04-06-13, 00:57
Wing man. I will be there on the 11 of April where can we meet up, let me know and I ill be there.
Hello colleagues,
I'm coming to BKK in the coming days and wouldn't mind a wingman to go to:
1. High-end soapies.
2. G-clubs
3. Clubs.
PM me, if interested.
A
I think the reference of the 100$ girls covers that anount going to the girl, not the amount spent during the course of the evening to entartain yourself, including then BF, drinks etc.No, I made the reference myself. It all adds up to the cost of getting laid. Can't take a gal out of a bar without a BF. Can't really BF without buying at least two drinks: one for you and one for her. That is why I limited it to 100 US. That is about the minimum you will spend to get laid in a gogo, if you are paying the gal 2k for your 15 min wham bam ST.
There's a difference between evening's entertainment, and an almost-mandatory lady drink or two, unavoidable barfine and negotiated fare. For the non-drinkers, also throw in the cost of our drink while we choose. It doesn't matter exactly how much goes to the girl. Punters in Amsterdam or Frankfurt RLDs are not considering the the room rental costs and taxes either (which can be substantial) , what matters is total cost.Agreed. Of course some of this increase is marked by the fall of Western currencies, but 2k for ST is still 100% more than 10 years ago and beer prices in some gogos are 100% more as well. As few as 7 years ago I would spend about 75 USD for dinner, drinks (more than enough to get a buzz) , BF, ST, and ST hotel. Now it would be about twice that, and the main point; the service level has decreased geometrically. If the girls were better looking, gave better service, the drinks were stronger, etc. But hey, that is not the case is it? Quite the contrary. But hey, it is bad in the West and the new and newish dudes are thrilled just to be getting their the*cks wet in something under 85 kilos in weight.
Harold, if you are paying a 600 baht barfine, then 2k for ST, and buying a couple of drinks; guess what? You have spent 100 bucks. If 1000 guys pay that, then there are 1000 fools. And BTW, the quickie thing was not the rule until rather recently.Hear, hear!
That's the minimum. And it's insanity. This ain't the West.
I rarely did short times, but I don't recall any short time that wasn't at least 2 hours. What's the point of a 15 minute quickie? Have the JP ruined the market that badly, or are younger guys just idiots? Why put up with that bullshit?
Hear, hear!
That's the minimum. And it's insanity. This ain't the West.
I rarely did short times, but I don't recall any short time that wasn't at least 2 hours. What's the point of a 15 minute quickie? Have the JP ruined the market that badly, or are younger guys just idiots? Why put up with that bullshit?With the exception of here, I have never been to any city where 1 payment. 1 shot is not the gold standard. And to stick your dick in a hole, any hole, any where for less than $100 is cheap.
Scorchin1470
04-06-13, 06:54
Hear, hear!
That's the minimum. And it's insanity. This ain't the West.
I rarely did short times, but I don't recall any short time that wasn't at least 2 hours. What's the point of a 15 minute quickie? Have the JP ruined the market that badly, or are younger guys just idiots? Why put up with that bullshit?All around you SE Asia is changing- standards of living are rising, incomes are increasing, jobs are easier to get.
It is called economic development.
It is a pity that you, and many others still expect beer to be 20 cents a glass and the ladies to lie down and open their legs for $10.
Get over it and accept the inevitable. Are you still paying 1- and paying £5 for a fuck at home?
Our policy on out call is any time after 1 pm until 8 am the following morning. Which I think represents very good value for money.
Regards.
BJI have no axe to grind with Dr BJ or his business and I am not as familiar with the Bangkok scene as most members but describing as good value having to wait till 1am then paying 5000 baht for a BJ bar lady to stay untill 8am is a stretch. The most I have paid for LT in Bangkok was 6000 but that was with an exceptionally attractive intelligent woman I met at Mixx who stayed with me till noon next day. Mostly I paid 2500 to 3000. Without sounding too dismissive in my experience the ladies who work BJ bars are on the lower rungs of desirable companions, they may be good for a 30 min experience but paying 5000 to spend time with them sorry not at all "very good value for money".
This is the GFE from Spanky's. Some pretty big fricken lips!
I have mongered in Bangkok many times, last time a couple of years ago. Reading several reports on prices, here is my take:
- There is no list or fixed price everything is very easily pleasantly negotiable most of the time the general policy is 'no valid offer will be refused'.
- I have had 2 great girls for 1500B, singles 600. 1000B (I mean good 6-8 types)
Best prices are
- During the day not too many mongeres
- Or early in the evening. Catch them early for a quick shot / ST extra money for girl.
- Or late night desperation sets in.
Go-Go places and MPs are not the best places for prices at least.
Beer Garten (Soi 7/1) good day place but availability / quality varies a lot be patient buy a drink for yourself and others have fun. Wait and watch.
Soi-3 Around Grace Hotel, the coffee / tea bar in the corner good for afternoon and early evening pickups, some East Europeans occasionally hang out around here, don't hesitate to ask SWs. Best is the Bamboo bar plenty of semi-pros lot of choice the going rate is 3K all night but again negotiable. (Bamboo bar has a great live band + drinks fairly prices + good late night food (Mediterranean) but about tiny 100B cover). I have got the best chicks from Bamboo bar (7. 9).
Bottom line do not pay too much, it spoils / distorts market for all. (Also flying to BKK costs plenty).
Happy Mongering
Exchange rates do matter but not to the girls. Thats our problem. The govts we elect seem to think the only way to solve problems is inflate the money supply.
2003 st Rainbow girls was 2000. Today most still go for 2000.
No offense Mr G but you don't seem to be comparing apples to apples. You need to compare ugly girl prices to ugly girl prices, I doubt they doubled in 10 years time.
Again theres just too much supply of non attractive girls to make price increases stick. If hot girls ask too much guys will just go ugly. LOL.
Mr G has a different perspective than most of us. AGAIN BKK is not as bad a Mr G makes it out to be. Far from it.Harold, Ask most long term residents, and they will disagree with you. Attitudes, looks, etc. 2k in '03? Nah, never paid over 1k in the Rainbow bars, back then, even though most gals asked for 1500. Apples to apples Harold, prices were pretty standard in '99 and '03 and for the most part they are today. I was in R4 for the first time in about a year last night about 1030 and must admit I was not that impressed. A few good bodies to be had, but facially (no pun intended) most girls were not that attractive. The ones that I did talk to were not so nice, in a hurry, not so happy that I could speak their language, and add to that the crowd and the bad loud dance music (of course this has always been a feature of the Rainbow bars) ; all in all not so fun. Smiled at one of the better lookers as she returned from a 20 min ST (we were timing gals). Asked "Sanuk mai?" She just scowled. That's really loving your job, eh? Just about sums up much of the GoGo scene these days. If she would have smiled at me, licked her lips, and said something dirty, I would have taken her on the spot.
But it really is all perception. I am sure new guys are thrilled with the scene. Good on 'them.
And yes, it has all increased. Many of the old hags in the BG Soi 7 are asking for 1500. Some even 2k.
You are correct about the supply. With unemployment under 1% fewer and fewer gals go into the "biz." Also gals who speak, read, and write English can do far better on the 'net and hey, who can blame them? Good for them.
Truth be told there are not a whole lot of long term residents that post on forums. Still not sure why I do. That being said, most of the long term residents I know share my opinion. Of course we all grow and change, hopefully. And for many of us the charms of a farm girl with a sixth grade education has worn off a bit; well, if she is a nympho with the skills of a porn star, a great attitude, nice, and a perfect body (not going to get too many perfect faces with Isaan gals) , perhaps not. But the "sort of" good looker who is mediocre in the sack, in a hurry, and not so nice, begins to hold very little charm.
All around you SE Asia is changing- standards of living are rising, incomes are increasing, jobs are easier to get.
It is called economic development.
It is a pity that you, and many others still expect beer to be 20 cents a glass and the ladies to lie down and open their legs for $10.
Get over it and accept the inevitable. Are you still paying 1- and paying £5 for a fuck at home?Actually a great craft beer on tap is in most US cities about 5. 6 dollars a pint. In many BKK bars you will pay over 6 USD for poor quality local brew. And, salaries are far higher in the West.
Actually Mr G and I agree agogos are not the best value. But they are not ripoffs!
Ill bring in another point of view. The Girls point of view. I've told my favorite she is an expensive proposition (bad value) but I do her only because I really like her. Taken by itself maybe agogo barfining is reasonable but not when you compare it to other options out there.
She says she not expensive- can't really argue with that as guys take her everyday. At her price.
Funny tidbit. I barfined my current favorite 6 times in 29 days. And 1 time in the last 18 days. Finally I think she realizes I cut back because of price- not because I don't like her anymore.
She is a star so I wish her well. And yes, I plan to do her more times, never have I fallen for a hooker so BAD, its so much fun though. At the end of the day I know I'm just a customer so thats where the business aspects rear its ugly head, and makes me think twice on how I want to spend my money.
I'm really not into spoiling the market for others. LOL.Interesting Harold. Perhaps many of our difference have to do with our different modes of operating. I rarely take a gal, no matter how good a performer she is, more than once. If she is amazing I might do her again a few months later, but rarely have I had gals three times.
Hey, good on the gals. It is the dudes that drive the price, not the gals. One thing that was great about AC was the standardized prices.
With the exception of here, I have never been to any city where 1 payment. 1 shot is not the gold standard. And to stick your dick in a hole, any hole, any where for less than $100 is cheap.And that is exactly what made BKK and other SE Asian cities pretty great. Too bad to see it all ending.
I have no axe to grind with Dr BJ or his business and I am not as familiar with the Bangkok scene as most members but describing as good value having to wait till 1am then paying 5000 baht for a BJ bar lady to stay untill 8am is a stretch. The most I have paid for LT in Bangkok was 6000 but that was with an exceptionally attractive intelligent woman I met at Mixx who stayed with me till noon next day. Mostly I paid 2500 to 3000. Without sounding too dismissive in my experience the ladies who work BJ bars are on the lower rungs of desirable companions, they may be good for a 30 min experience but paying 5000 to spend time with them sorry not at all "very good value for money".Sorry, got my ams and pms mixed up. The extended time makes it more attractive for sure but 5000 for Lt with a BJ bar girl with all the other possibilities available on the FL scene.
Member #4414
04-07-13, 07:07
Get over it and accept the inevitable.Valid, but that acceptance will of course have to be by both partners in this arrangement (Falang & Thai).
Every action is going to have an effect.
Rainbows were never thought of as a place for pse, get over it.
I barfined my favorite again last night. The magic is back. She showered, I watched as usual, she got dressed. She was going out the door with no payment. LOL. I had to remind her she was working. LOL.Ya should have taken the freebie!
Had some great PSEs from Rainbow back in 99-02. But now, you are correct sir.
I have no axe to grind with Dr BJ or his business and I am not as familiar with the Bangkok scene as most members but describing as good value having to wait till 1am then paying 5000 baht for a BJ bar lady to stay untill 8am is a stretch. The most I have paid for LT in Bangkok was 6000 but that was with an exceptionally attractive intelligent woman I met at Mixx who stayed with me till noon next day. Mostly I paid 2500 to 3000. Without sounding too dismissive in my experience the ladies who work BJ bars are on the lower rungs of desirable companions, they may be good for a 30 min experience but paying 5000 to spend time with them sorry not at all "very good value for money".Hey mate you obviously didn't read this DR guys original post properly and then went steaming off on one, slagging him off. He said 1PM as in afternoon not 1 am as in morning, LOL. You missed his quote by 12 hours. Thanks for drawing my attention to this as I reckon 5000bt for up to 17 hours doesn't mean "good" value for money it represents "great" value for money. We all make mistakes but I think you owe this Dr an apology. Now I am going to have to visit his place to see what all this fuss is about, cheers for the heads up GerryGa.
H
Wing man. I will be there on the 11 of April where can we meet up, let me know and I ill be there.HAHAHA. I am laughing at some of these posts. Just funny really no harm.
So you are going to be his wingman with 2 posts? Let me guess, you have been coming here for many years. If you did not know, a wingman usually has some knowledge of a place to assist. But go for it and I am looking forward to the 2 of you making reports on your experiences. Thanks.
And that is exactly what made BKK and other SE Asian cities pretty great. Too bad to see it all ending.HAHA. You really?
What is all ending?
I am here now and everything is the same. Maybe better. 500B in Pattaya for great GFE. 1000 B for 24 hour GFE.
BKK. 1000 B or less for GFE.
You talking Gogo's or Escorts? Yeah, they are tourist rip off places. I am sure you know that.
I have been coming to Thailand for awhile and am finding it better than ever.
I have mongered in Bangkok many times, last time a couple of years ago. Reading several reports on prices, here is my take:
- There is no list or fixed price everything is very easily pleasantly negotiable most of the time the general policy is 'no valid offer will be refused'.
- I have had 2 great girls for 1500B, singles 600. 1000B (I mean good 6-8 types)
Best prices are
- During the day not too many mongeres
- Or early in the evening. Catch them early for a quick shot / ST extra money for girl.
- Or late night desperation sets in.
Go-Go places and MPs are not the best places for prices at least.
Beer Garten (Soi 7/1) good day place but availability / quality varies a lot be patient buy a drink for yourself and others have fun. Wait and watch.
Soi-3 Around Grace Hotel, the coffee / tea bar in the corner good for afternoon and early evening pickups, some East Europeans occasionally hang out around here, don't hesitate to ask SWs. Best is the Bamboo bar plenty of semi-pros lot of choice the going rate is 3K all night but again negotiable. (Bamboo bar has a great live band + drinks fairly prices + good late night food (Mediterranean) but about tiny 100B cover). I have got the best chicks from Bamboo bar (7. 9).
Bottom line do not pay too much, it spoils / distorts market for all. (Also flying to BKK costs plenty).
Happy MongeringHI. HAHAHAHA.
So you have not been here for a few years and you are giving us advice about places and your expertise on prices?
Thanks, I agree, I think everyone should listen. Thank you so much.
I have no axe to grind with Dr BJ or his business and I am not as familiar with the Bangkok scene as most members but describing as good value having to wait till 1am then paying 5000 baht for a BJ bar lady to stay untill 8am is a stretch. The most I have paid for LT in Bangkok was 6000 but that was with an exceptionally attractive intelligent woman I met at Mixx who stayed with me till noon next day. Mostly I paid 2500 to 3000. Without sounding too dismissive in my experience the ladies who work BJ bars are on the lower rungs of desirable companions, they may be good for a 30 min experience but paying 5000 to spend time with them sorry not at all "very good value for money".Really? So you have taken them?
I have taken 2 LT from Dr. BJ at the 3000 B rate. I picked them up in the afternoon, not 1am.
They were awesome 3 holers who were great fucks and nice girls. One took me to her house and cooked me dinner.
The girls get 1/2 of of the 3K. So if you tip, base it on that.
Scorchin1470
04-07-13, 14:21
I have mongered in Bangkok many times, last time a couple of years ago. Reading several reports on prices, here is my take.Quite frankly wasted space as far as your information is concerned. The world, SE Asia, Thailand and in particular Bangkok have moved on.
The 10p / pint and the £5 f*ck are long gone in the UK and you prices are useful for historical comparison but useless for today's newbie.
Interesting Harold. Perhaps many of our difference have to do with our different modes of operating. I rarely take a gal, no matter how good a performer she is, more than once. If she is amazing I might do her again a few months later, but rarely have I had gals three times.That is a very Thai approach, mainly practiced by Thais because they often don't want to get too attached to any one girl. For me its hard to cast a girl aside, when I know how great she can be, and potentially waste time on a total flop. Many of us want the best girl available and don't find that to be boring. Some of us want a sure thing since our time is more valuable. Hence like to collect several no-risk regulars. No much time wasted hunting. Of course its the hunt that some guys enjoy. Too much spare time on the hands.
HAHA. You really?
What is all ending?
I am here now and everything is the same. Maybe better. 500B in Pattaya for great GFE. 1000 B for 24 hour GFE.
BKK. 1000 B or less for GFE.
You talking Gogo's or Escorts? Yeah, they are tourist rip off places. I am sure you know that.
I have been coming to Thailand for awhile and am finding it better than ever.Speaking of big cities Luv, not the Patters. Pattaya is still ok for chicks, if you can tolerate the horrid tourist demographic it attracts these days.
That is a very Thai approach, mainly practiced by Thais because they often don't want to get too attached to any one girl. For me its hard to cast a girl aside, when I know how great she can be, and potentially waste time on a total flop. Many of us want the best girl available and don't find that to be boring. Some of us want a sure thing since our time is more valuable. Hence like to collect several no-risk regulars. No much time wasted hunting. Of course its the hunt that some guys enjoy. Too much spare time on the hands.I get the no-risk regular thing, but have found after a few encounters the service tends to drop off a bit and I start having to hear about the "family."
No worries about getting attached here. For me, once I have shot my wad, I can't get out of there fast enough. Well, might try to reload on a 90 min oily and fire off another shot. The reality hits after the white is out. These are simple girls with very little education and a very limited world view. They are wonderful for an hour, but really if you are an educated dude, what else you going to get out of it? Why in the world would you want to "take care" of a girl?
IMHO, most of these working girls have very little to offer besides their holes. Really, are you going to be able to have an in depth discussion about anything with them? Are they going to help foster your career? What are they themselves actually going to contribute? What are they bringing to the table besides sex? Normally the burden and expectations of taking care of them and their families is what they bring. No thanks. I'll take the holes on an hourly basis.
Mr Enternational
04-07-13, 17:13
Funny tidbit. I barfined my current favorite 6 times in 29 days.That sounds more like a girlfriend instead of a hooker. If I wanted to fuck the same girl over and over then I would just get a girlfriend. The fun of mongering is the variety of going from girl to girl. I've never paid a bar fine in Thailand before, but I'm curious as to why a person would still be paying a bar for the same girl after the first time. It seems to me that when you fuck her the first time you would exchange numbers with her and just call her to come on her own. It's like asking the parents' permission to date their daughter each time before you take her out instead of only doing it the first time. If you already have your foot in the door with the source, why keep going back to the middle man?
Mr Enternational
04-07-13, 17:16
No worries about getting attached here. These are simple girls with very little education and a very limited world view. They are wonderful for an hour, but really if you are an educated dude, what else you going to get out of it? Why in the world would you want to "take care" of a girl?
IMHO, most of these working girls have very little to offer besides their holes. Really, are you going to be able to have an in depth discussion about anything with them? Are they going to help foster your career? What are they themselves actually going to contribute? What are they bringing to the table besides sex? Normally the burden and expectations of taking care of them and their families is what they bring. No thanks. I'll take the holes on an hourly basis.Report of Distinction! (Besides that they are hookers and this ain't Pretty Woman.)
NeverGetsOld
04-07-13, 17:56
First day here. Damage 25 baht. Girl didn't want to go right to room so did the Thai version of dinner and a movie. Bought her a kiwi soda (tasted like [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) when I asked her a sip) around the corner, then took her home and blew a huge load in her mouth. No spit. Good girl. About to kick her out and ask her to kiss my dick for good luck, felt a little life and get her to suck, lead to anal and load number 2 over her chest and then kick out. Offer her taxi money, but refused. Bangkok rules. Thai girls are cool. Not sure if the girl has sold her pussy but a very good performer. Think the girl just loves dick and not looking for more. If you want a friend with benefits or no p4p lay, would love to pass her off to a guy or 2 here. Looking for good valuable info in return (saving money is always a good one).
P. S. First time taking sideagra. Stuff works. Well done Thailand.
Wolvenvacht
04-07-13, 18:17
Normally the burden and expectations of taking care of them and their families is what they bring.You mean, you are not interested in the dead grandmothers and the sick waterbuffaloes? Weird ... ;)
P. S. First time taking sideagra. Stuff works. Well done Thailand.I have heard about this from friends who live in Pattaya. Where did you buy it and how much did it cost? Last question how long do you think the effect lasts?
Regards,
BJ
I rarely take a gal, no matter how good a performer she is, more than once. If she is amazing I might do her again a few months later, but rarely have I had gals three times.1000 percent agree. I find the dreaded "GFE" is my worst friend. I want the good hooker experience. She knows why she's there and does what I tell her when I tell her. Period."Girlfriends" are entitled to be treated like girlfriends meaning they can say "no" or even "later" which is altogether unacceptable. Thats what the money is for.
Very interesting approach. I don't see anything wrong getting attached to a hooker. LOL. It adds a lot more fun to the experience.
Although if you told me before I came to BKK that people get hooked regularly on hookers I would have said you are out of your mind. No longer do I think this. LOL.
The flip side is if you can't handle falling for a hooker then I can see a world of problems for the guy.
Take the business out of the transaction the girls wouldn't touch us with a 10 foot pole. Knowing this keeps a person grounded no matter how bad you fall for a HOOKER!One of my friends once said,"Guys don't come to Thailand to f*ck hookers, they come to Thailand to date hookers." In many cases this is true and leads to lots of despair and the loss of lots of cash. Bet there are very few guys who "date" the hookers in Ams. Hookers are hookers. The only difference is the venue.
One of my friends once said,"Guys don't come to Thailand to f*ck hookers, they come to Thailand to date hookers." In many cases this is true and leads to lots of despair and the loss of lots of cash.Not to mention loss of life when the guy jumps off a balcony.
First day here. Damage 25 baht. Girl didn't want to go right to room so did the Thai version of dinner and a movie. Bought her a kiwi soda (tasted like [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) when I asked her a sip) around the corner, then took her home and blew a huge load in her mouth. No spit. Good girl. About to kick her out and ask her to kiss my dick for good luck, felt a little life and get her to suck, lead to anal and load number 2 over her chest and then kick out. Offer her taxi money, but refused. Bangkok rules. Thai girls are cool. Not sure if the girl has sold her pussy but a very good performer. Think the girl just loves dick and not looking for more. If you want a friend with benefits or no p4p lay, would love to pass her off to a guy or 2 here. Looking for good valuable info in return (saving money is always a good one).
P. S. First time taking sideagra. Stuff works. Well done Thailand.Wow. Got to commend you. You apparently found the only girl in all of LOS who does CIM, Anal, has no interest in money and may have never sold her pussy before. Really? And for 25 baht? (perhaps that's a typo). AND she refused taxi money?
Let me guess. Your next TR will be how you found a leprechaun and the Easter Bunny bonking under the stairs at the Nana BTS station.
Not sure why you're looking for "good valuable info" because you already have it all figured out.
Not to mention loss of life when the guy jumps off a balcony.The Pattaya Flying Club seems to always be adding members. Really, would you date a girl with a 6th grade education from a very poor family in your home country? Probably not. You might not even have sex with her.
NeverGetsOld
04-08-13, 05:34
I have heard about this from friends who live in Pattaya. Where did you buy it and how much did it cost? Last question how long do you think the effect lasts?
Regards,
BJPharmacy hopping in BKK. Cheap for 4 tablets. Maybe you find better price then me and can report. Probably a little weaker then Viagra but still respectable.
NeverGetsOld
04-08-13, 05:49
Wow. Got to commend you. You apparently found the only girl in all of LOS who does CIM, Anal, has no interest in money and may have never sold her pussy before. Really? And for 25 baht? (perhaps that's a typo). AND she refused taxi money?
Let me guess. Your next TR will be how you found a leprechaun and the Easter Bunny bonking under the stairs at the Nana BTS station.
Not sure why you're looking for "good valuable info" because you already have it all figured out.Not sure if this is sarcasm but I am younger, decent looking guy, with lots of confidence and game and still a pain in the dick to get a girl in America, so a nice step up. If I'm fucking a bar girl, she is going to have be the hottest. Freelancer prices and she is going to have to have a redeemable quality like big tits. Average girls, I'm only going to spend lunch money and this girl was just average in my opinion and older them I like them (20-26). I'm sure many of guys would love a girl like this on their team but I am trying to form a dream team out here. Never have it all figured it out and succeed by interacting with many, many, many, many girls.
I get the no-risk regular thing, but have found after a few encounters the service tends to drop off a bit and I start having to hear about the "family."
No worries about getting attached here. For me, once I have shot my wad, I can't get out of there fast enough. Well, might try to reload on a 90 min oily and fire off another shot. The reality hits after the white is out. These are simple girls with very little education and a very limited world view. They are wonderful for an hour, but really if you are an educated dude, what else you going to get out of it? Why in the world would you want to "take care" of a girl?
IMHO, most of these working girls have very little to offer besides their holes. Really, are you going to be able to have an in depth discussion about anything with them? Are they going to help foster your career? What are they themselves actually going to contribute? What are they bringing to the table besides sex? Normally the burden and expectations of taking care of them and their families is what they bring. No thanks. I'll take the holes on an hourly basis.This statement is so true) but I can understand why some guys get confused, the line between hookers and "normal" girls is very slim in this country.
If you don't speak thai and don't work there, then 99. 9% of the girls you will meet & get access are WG, ex-WG or part time WG : bars, clubs, malls, etc.
The "real" normal girls will never go out with a foreigner that don't meet these 2 requirements above. So better be realistic,"walking ATM" is how these girls see you, no feelings, just business)
NeverGetsOld
04-08-13, 07:05
Funny story. Don't underestimate these girls.
First, I am a pretty intelligent guy. Had profitable business for 7 years at young age. Used to be good at video and board games. Was ranked number 1 in world in particular online game.
Was at Pattaya bar and playing strategy games with the bar girls. Well, they smashed my face in 7 games in a row. I was shocked.
don't know the demogrpahics and the activities of a sex touriist. But are there really that many guys who date 6th grade edukated girls from poor familiees? Real dating, not guys who pay girls and call them their girlfriends when all they are are customers. I surely don't and probably never will.
Now if my country's 6th grade edukated girls from poor families looked like my current Rainbow 4 favorite I just might romance her. LOL.
I just refuse to believe the majority of guys who come to enjoy Thailand farm girls are that stupid. We take what the girls offer. We not trying to rescue them or revive their sick buffalos. On the flip side I refuse to believe the girls are stupid either, spreading their legs is just a job to them. They know whats up.
Its another situation where its win win. I f it wasnt I surely wouldn't come here. I really don't need thai culture. LOL.
Very pretty Rainbow 2 girl. 2000 +600 bf=2600 or $85. Not a bad deal if you get can get an hour out of her (easier said than done). I just might give it a try as my fav. In is nong khai for 10 days. Only red flag is she really does look in the mirror too much in the bar, always messing with her hair.Harold, you would be surprised. I know dudes with PHDs that have married uneducated farm girls. They stick it in and in sex seconds they are in love. The majority of bar girls have finished Po-6, sixth grade, fewer have finished Mo-3, eight grade, and fewer still Mo-6, or high school. Most all of the guys who are dating and marry bar girls are getting just this, and most of the older family members have even less education.
They do know what's up. Normally far more than their customers.
85 USD, well when you add in drinks and ST hotel that becomes more like 110 USD. I would say that is expensive for an hour. 2k baht, well that is 66 USD per hour. That is a huge wage when it comes down to it. Pretty good for a sixth grade "edumacation." Then again most squander it on their "families" and retire from the biz with nothing.
Member #4414
04-08-13, 08:09
These are simple girls with very little education and a very limited world view.My experience too. In many ways the asian equivalent of the simple blonde barbie girl who likes all things pink.
Well, she can have the 'pink' from me, but she won't be interested in discussing the current North Korea situation.
Sounds like very good value for money. I'll definitely give it a try when I come to Bangkok later this year.
How long beforehand would it be recommendable to order a popular girl like EE for a take out?Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I would recommend about one week in advance to make a booking, especially for a lady like EE who is one of our most popular ladies. You can make a booking either by email or by calling (both can be found on our web site).
Regards,
BJ
Member #4414
04-08-13, 08:27
.I know dudes with PHDs that have married uneducated farm girls. They stick it in and in sex seconds they are in love. The majority of bar girls have finished Po-6, sixth grade, fewer have finished Mo-3, eight grade, and fewer still Mo-6, or high school. Most all of the guys who are dating and marry bar girls are getting just this, and most of the older family members have even less education. They do know what's up. Normally far more than their customers.My guess is that there are cases of 'opposites attract' going on there.
Basic and lighthearted will be experienced as a 'relieving' medicine by intellectual types.
Which is ok until the point where common ground is looked for, and is nowhere to be seen.
It's fun to fuck a Barbie Girl, and sometimes the ones offering services in Thailand are like that. Or maybe a better description is the 'street smart' type who are clever in their own field of operations but whos outlook is limited beyond new mobile phones and cartoon watching.
decided to hit it big today.
1. sw named pim. on nana against the wall near car lot at annie's. 1000 b. took her to my hotel. good gfe, friendly smile awesome time.
2. [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s. took ploy. nice gfe made me very happy.
3. aviva massage soi 8. nikki. very cute face. she has an athletic body. great gfe. very aggressive fuck. highly recommend.
4. dr. bj nuru. my first time here. nice place. took the 2k nuru. cute young thing age 23. i did not see her braces until we were in room. but she bbbj great. they pour nuru gel on you as you lay on a mattress. then she get naked and rubs her tits, pussy, and ass on front and back. bbbj, kissing and fs. a great time.
5. sw named fon. standing right in front of starbucks. sweet young surin pussy new in town. full gfe. man was she fun.
i snapped as many shots as possible. it is difficult during while i am fucking. dr bj girl said no, against policy. no problem.
what a great fucking day! i am beat, but i think i can get one more later. we will see. i love this town!!
ps: i know i should have called an escort. i tried but they did not answer. hahahaha.
Tony Hoeprano
04-08-13, 10:29
decided to hit it big today.
1. sw named pim. on nana against the wall near car lot at annie's. 1000 b. took her to my hotel. good gfe, friendly smile awesome time.
2. [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s. took ploy. nice gfe made me very happy.
3. aviva massage soi 8. nikki. very cute face. she has an athletic body. great gfe. very aggressive fuck. highly recommend.
4. dr. bj nuru. my first time here. nice place. took the 2k nuru. cute young thing age 23. i did not see her braces until we were in room. but she bbbj great. they pour nuru gel on you as you lay on a mattress. then she get naked and rubs her tits, pussy, and ass on front and back. bbbj, kissing and fs. a great time.
5. sw named fon. standing right in front of starbucks. sweet young surin pussy new in town. full gfe. man was she fun.
i snapped as many shots as possible. it is difficult during while i am fucking. dr bj girl said no, against policy. no problem.
what a great fucking day! i am beat, but i think i can get one more later. we will see. i love this town!
ps: i know i should have called an escort. i tried but they did not answer. hahahaha.i think i saw you today. were you wearing a blue suit with a red cape and an s on your chest? hahahahahhaaha.
how do you do it man? what a machine lol
Member #4387
04-08-13, 11:14
While you're at it can you please hit up Elena from Subway Soi 7. 1? Short blond haired Russian chick sitting outside. We are in lack of any FR's of her. Soon I am thinking of doing her myself just to ease my curiosity but I feel you are in a much better aiming possition (beeing in BKK and all) to repair this gaping hole in girlsreporting inside here.
Seems like you have a blast. Stay tuned and remember when shit hits the fan you allways have some escort you could call. All this written with a humoristic twist I may add. Love your work!
decided to hit it big today.
1. sw named pim. on nana against the wall near car lot at annie's. 1000 b. took her to my hotel. good gfe, friendly smile awesome time.
2. [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s. took ploy. nice gfe made me very happy.
3. aviva massage soi 8. nikki. very cute face. she has an athletic body. great gfe. very aggressive fuck. highly recommend.
4. dr. bj nuru. my first time here. nice place. took the 2k nuru. cute young thing age 23. i did not see her braces until we were in room. but she bbbj great. they pour nuru gel on you as you lay on a mattress. then she get naked and rubs her tits, pussy, and ass on front and back. bbbj, kissing and fs. a great time.
5. sw named fon. standing right in front of starbucks. sweet young surin pussy new in town. full gfe. man was she fun.
i snapped as many shots as possible. it is difficult during while i am fucking. dr bj girl said no, against policy. no problem.
what a great fucking day! i am beat, but i think i can get one more later. we will see. i love this town!
ps: i know i should have called an escort. i tried but they did not answer. hahahaha.dude! impressive. your p*cker should be bronzed and enshrined.
Decided to hit it big today. PS: I know I should have called an escort. I tried but they did not answer. HAHAHAHA.Of course they did not answer. They were all busy hitting the streets to be able to meet you!
2k baht, well that is 66 USD per hour. That is a huge wage when it comes down to it. Pretty good for a sixth grade "edumacation." Then again most squander it on their "families" and retire from the biz with nothing.It always depends how many of these hours they work a day.
My car servicing is charging pretty much that amount per hour, but they fill 8hrs a day at that rate, so do the math. Will a BG do as an average 3-4 ST at that rate?
Some, but only few will, so one cannot generalize of high income. Still 2k baht a day can be a lot for their standard, no doubt.
It always depends how many of these hours they work a day.
My car servicing is charging pretty much that amount per hour, but they fill 8hrs a day at that rate, so do the math. Will a BG do as an average 3-4 ST at that rate?
Some, but only few will, so one cannot generalize of high income. Still 2k baht a day can be a lot for their standard, no doubt.It's great money for someone in Thailand without an education (or even with an education). People can talk about a booming economy all they like, but in the end most people are still getting at best a few bucks an hour.
Western787
04-08-13, 13:33
Wow. Got to commend you. You apparently found the only girl in all of LOS who does CIM, Anal, has no interest in money and may have never sold her pussy before. Really? And for 25 baht? (perhaps that's a typo). AND she refused taxi money?
Let me guess. Your next TR will be how you found a leprechaun and the Easter Bunny bonking under the stairs at the Nana BTS station.
Not sure why you're looking for "good valuable info" because you already have it all figured out.Too funny man. One never knows because mongers operate at different levels, some could be chick magnet younger guys that the girls love, (I now see below he mentions he's a younger guy) or regular Brad Pitt types, or real charmers. In any case I am still laughing at his classic and entertaining post a few weeks back:
(Quoting NeverGetsOld)
"My best resource has been an ok looking nana bar girl who " likes me?" and has given me free pussy 20 times with no end in sight. More importantly, is my hang out buddy who speaks decent enough English and has taught me many important things about Thailand (customs, where to eat, shop, massage, travel etc.) Not sure I quite get it if anyone has any opinions. Girl has even paid for a couple of my meals and turned down a big money offer to stay with a guy for 2 weeks to lick my asshole for free? I'm not complaining.
My worst experience was a tall blonde, aggressive girl with fake tits and tattoo on her shoulder blade at Rainbow 4 nana who speaks decent English. BEWARE! I will now never take an aggressive girl to my room again. First, she strangely seemed to be angry about a couple nice possessions I had in the hotel room like my luggage laying around. But onto my bed; 2, 3 minutes into fucking she was telling me to finish and closing her legs. Not liking her sex I offered her 1000 of the 2000 bar fine even though we just started fucking. She declined and told me to fuck and finish or something like that. We began to fuck again and I got a little aggressive pinning her down with my chest when she started squirming again but nothing crazy. Then she just slaps me hard without saying anything. Acting like it was too long and to pay her now (we just started!) Maybe a mistake? But after she hit me and basically didn't allow me to fuck her I wasn't giving her 1 baht and not budging. Well she wrecked my room and threw a hard object in my face. Made all kinds of threats including police. I was trying to teach her a lesson to not pull that on someone else but don't think it was worth the risk on my part. When I warned my hotel that she just wrecked my room and to look out for her and not let her come back to my room, they didn't seem to give two shits.
My other bad experience, I was stupid. I picked up a freelancer in Pattaya with giant tits for 1000 baht to stay for awhile. Her middle was a train wreck so I offered her 500 to leave after 10 mins. She didn't want to and got very mad and slammed the door when I stuck to my guns. Any advice on the best way to play this? I know I don't want to make anymore enemies or waste money.
Western787
04-08-13, 13:50
Not sure if this is sarcasm but I am younger, decent looking guy, with lots of confidence and game and still a pain in the dick to get a girl in America, so a nice step up. If I'm fucking a bar girl, she is going to have be the hottest. Freelancer prices and she is going to have to have a redeemable quality like big tits. Average girls, I'm only going to spend lunch money and this girl was just average in my opinion and older them I like them (20-26). I'm sure many of guys would love a girl like this on their team but I am trying to form a dream team out here. Never have it all figured it out and succeed by interacting with many, many, many, many girls.You are probably not typical by monger standards in this region. Since you're a younger guy, do you find american girls (same as UK) are especially demanding these days? It used to be if the bloke had confidence and was a little bit of a dick, that would suffice, now they seem to want the money flying all over the place also, whether she's an amateur, semi pro, or pro.
NeverGetsOld
04-08-13, 13:58
I think Chris Rock got it right that 90% of the women want 10% of the guys. That is the case in America. I am not top 10% looks so I have to put in a tonnn of work to get pussy there. So first I started fucking around with American escorts and strip clubs. Make me sick when I think what I wasted on that. Then I started fucking around in the Caribbean (another small fortune) and ran through over 50 Colombianas and Dominicans. Latinas sexy as hell but never got close to the love that I'm getting from Thai girls.
You guys want porn star experience from bar girls? Smile at everyone and take the one that gives you most genuine (not fake) smile. I admit bar girls suck. Next time I'm craving a 10, I will blow some loot on an escort.
Some of you guys must have more power then me though because 36 hours in and my dick is already sore. 24 hour breather. Going to trade stocks now.
Member #4414
04-08-13, 15:48
(re : luvpuss) How do you do it man? What a machine LOLMy theory is that he was a Celibate Monk in a former life, and now it is 'payback time'.
It's great money for someone in Thailand without an education (or even with an education). People can talk about a booming economy all they like, but in the end most people are still getting at best a few bucks an hour.We agree on this, no doubt!
NeverGetsOld
04-08-13, 18:03
BTW another free PSE from girl today that works in diamond shop.
Newest (2nd) member of my team but could easily cut. Shows up at my door, says she's "very hot" I say my room has ac.
Get right down to the biz. She actually wags my dick over her, Porn Star style when I pull it out to bust on her. Liked a little finger in the asshole but not too much and no dick (this time) 30 years old but cute. DO NOT like the hairy Asian pussy though. The few I've been in, were the largest pussies I seen down here.
Normal girls giving way better service then pros. Fucking bizarro world here. Crazy role reversals. Refused taxi money and cried when I kicked her out, wrote me 4 ignored emails since.
BTW decent looking guy but looked like shit last 2 days on no sleep. Scary the damage I am going to do here. Will probably get stabbed by crazy x thai boyfriend 1 of these time though.
Next time girl smiles at you after you order chicken satay is probably your free PSE you are missing out on.
Paul Kausch
04-08-13, 18:25
PS: I know I should have called an escort. I tried but they did not answer. HAHAHAHA.Enjoyed the report and especially the pictures. I'm impressed. You have stamina! However, a good escort probably would have left you exhausted and fully satisfied, so you would have time on your hand to visit some temples. As to the above remark, sometimes the best agencies do not answer the phone when they are 100% booked.
Very very true, most girls hardly make any money at all. And the demand supply is completely out of whack. Anywhere you see. Girls to customer would be at least 3:1.
If you ask the girls. They would tell you. They barely can make rent.
At the end of the night you can very easily observe how many girls got business and home many are going empty handed.
Whole talk of booming economy and all that is hogwash. Reality is right in front of you. Too many girls everywhere all the time.
So monger on. Negotiate well, tip well, have lots of fun. That is what is BKK. Easy, cheap, hassle free.
I love Mr G. He brings up a lot of good observations.
But he also twists thing about in many many ways. $66 an hour is a great gig. If you can get it. I'm telling you most can't. The majority of girls are not commanding 2500 twice a night. I bet the majority are LUVPUSS's type girls having to survive on 700 a session. And they happy to get that.
To back me up the minimum to get full salary is ONLY 9 barfines in a month. Such a low number means most arent raking in big numbers of barfines.
The ez way to tell us how girls are doing is if we knew the median income of a hooker. LOL.
You guys more fun than a barrel of sick water buffaloes. LOL.
I bet being a successful stock trader is on par with being a big time prostitute!
Hows this. For advice- If you want porn star experince go where they work. LOL. Smiling aint going to get you a porn star. LOL.Naah, man. You've got it all wrong. Dude's got mad skills.
Only his second time in country, doesn't speak the language, doesn't know som tam from nam som, and already all the "allegedly" civilian chicks are falling all over themselves to do freebies.
In a culture where a smile means anything from friendship, to an apology, to embarrassment, to I want to slit your throat, the guy's got all that figured out as well. If the vendor smiles back at you, next thing you're screwing her brains out. I know we all believe him, right? I know I'm convinced.
Funny story. Don't underestimate these girls.
First, I am a pretty intelligent guy. Had profitable business for 7 years at young age. Used to be good at video and board games. Was ranked number 1 in world in particular online game.
Was at Pattaya bar and playing strategy games with the bar girls. Well, they smashed my face in 7 games in a row. I was shocked.They just probably knew the games tricks, and alcohol & emotion are always important factors (see casinos). I doubt all these bar girls were clones of Garry Kasparov) LOL)
I love Mr G. He brings up a lot of good observations.
But he also twists thing about in many many ways. $66 an hour is a great gig. If you can get it. I'm telling you most can't. The majority of girls are not commanding 2500 twice a night. I bet the majority are LUVPUSS's type girls having to survive on 700 a session. And they happy to get that.
To back me up the minimum to get full salary is ONLY 9 barfines in a month. Such a low number means most arent raking in big numbers of barfines.
Theres one girl at Rainbow 4- I call her the MUTT of the bunch. LOL. She 's been there for years. The only way she gets called off stage is if she falls off the stage or the set ends. I think I only seen her barfined only once or twice- and that probably because she was part of a group. No way she she gets barfined on her own. I got to believe she is more representative of what goes on in the hooker business. Its so freakin hard to make it!
Another EX. The majority of major league baseball are not earning Alex Rod. Or Albert Pujols money. You cannot use them to give an accurate picture of what baseball players make.
The ez way to tell us how girls are doing is if we knew the median income of a hooker. LOL.But Harold, we are not interested in the MUTTS! LOL. Perhaps they are in the wrong biz.
It always depends how many of these hours they work a day.
My car servicing is charging pretty much that amount per hour, but they fill 8hrs a day at that rate, so do the math. Will a BG do as an average 3-4 ST at that rate?
Some, but only few will, so one cannot generalize of high income. Still 2k baht a day can be a lot for their standard, no doubt.Even at 2k every three days they are way above the Thai minimum wage of 300 baht a day. Most Uni grads are lucky to get 20k a month starting. Most get a little less.
NeverGetsOld
04-09-13, 04:14
if you don't believe me, you can come over and clean the cum off the girls after i bust on them if you like.
you got to pay me 500 baht for the privilege though and get to witness my other tricks i don't mention.
ain't no tycoon but scraping up $200 ain't hard and go a long way here.
could not hit #6 last night. drank and, and talked to a bunch of sw, and went to bed.
any of you have a monger bucket list? i do and have crossed off a few things. different races, etc. i am serious and not trying to make fun.
i fucked a midget in vegas for $300. she obviously did not have to get on knees for bbbj.
i also fucked a parapeligic in socal off one of the websites. not easy to fuck a girl in a wheel chair.
last night i met a sw here who is deaf. i saw her earlier doing sign language with another girl, so i believe it is legit. but, could be sex change from man who does not want to talk. anyway, she was signing me bbbj, fucking, etc. put up one finger, then made a k with her other finger for 1000 b. never had one on my list, but i think i might try to find her tonight.
this morning hit up [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s for bbbj. ploy and bim are the best from my experience.
then was walking down 7/1 heading for dr. bj. but a girl on the right just after you enter the soi offers me massage. jlo ass.
it is not really a mp, but just a bunch rooms upstairs.
1500 b and stellar service and cum in pussy. at the money shot i said,"i am cumming", she said "inside". i did not know if that meant go ahead or don't. i said it again and she fucked faster and i fired away. she just smiled and wiggled.
photo below.
Paul Kausch
04-09-13, 05:23
could not hit #6 last night. drank and, and talked to a bunch of sw, and went to bed.
any of you have a monger bucket list? i do and have crossed off a few things. different races, etc. i am serious and not trying to make fun.
i fucked a midget in vegas for $300. she obviously did not have to get on knees for bbbj.
i also fucked a parapeligic in socal off one of the websites. not easy to fuck a girl in a wheel chair.
last night i met a sw here who is deaf. i saw her earlier doing sign language with another girl, so i believe it is legit. but, could be sex change from man who does not want to talk. anyway, she was signing me bbbj, fucking, etc. put up one finger, then made a k with her other finger for 1000 b. never had one on my list, but i think i might try to find her tonight.
this morning hit up [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s for bbbj. ploy and bim are the best from my experience.
then was walking down 7/1 heading for dr. bj. but a girl on the right just after you enter the soi offers me massage. jlo ass.
it is not really a mp, but just a bunch rooms upstairs.
1500 b and stellar service and cum in pussy. at the money shot i said,"i am cumming", she said "inside". i did not know if that meant go ahead or don't. i said it again and she fucked faster and i fired away. she just smiled and wiggled.
photo below.another good read. by the way, the first three sentences of my previous post were in earnest. then i used punctuation marks to create an emotive icon to make it clear everything after that was in jest. for some reason the moderator deleted these. i'm sure he did not intend to distort the motivations behind the post.
Last night I met a SW here who is deaf. I saw her earlier doing sign language with another girl, so I believe it is legit. But, could be sex change from man who does not want to talk. Anyway, She was signing me BBBJ, fucking, etc. Put up one finger, then made a K with her other finger for 1000 B. Never had one on my list, but I think I might try to find her tonight.It's legit. There are quite a few deaf-mutes working lower Suk. Most of the ones I've encountered were working as vendors.
A fave used to work at Rififi, and all the old timers probably knew her. She was long gone prior to it becoming Electric Blue. There's noting particularly different about them. It's just really hard to communicate outside the bedroom.
It's legit. There are quite a few deaf-mutes working lower Suk. Most of the ones I've encountered were working as vendors.
A fave used to work at Rififi, and all the old timers probably knew her. She was long gone prior to it becoming Electric Blue. There's noting particularly different about them. It's just really hard to communicate outside the bedroom.OK, thanks, I will got ry to find her tonight.
Just got back from a new adventure. I have read about the Skytrain action (haha) so thought I would give it a go. I caught it from Nana to Bearing. Not much potential at first. I was all the way to OH Nut and many ins and outs. I was looking for a tall girl with a shear dress. I wore my thin shorts with no underwear.
At Oh Nut, she walks on. Perfect. I am 6-3 and she was 5-9. Maybe LB. Anyway, alot of people got on and I maneuvered myself to her backside. Close quarters. The Skytrain kind of moves and shakes around as it goes, so no problem moving and rubbing my cock against her ass. Nothing after the next stop. Then with a little more maneuvering, I started to get hard. I could feel my cock between her ass crack. She looked back over her shoulder a few times, but never tried to move away. This went on for the next several stops until she got off the stop before Bearing. Fun time. If I was 18 again, I probably would have let go.
No action on the way back to Nana as trains were light traffic.
Time for lunch.
OK, thanks, I will got ry to find her tonight.
Just got back from a new adventure. I have read about the Skytrain action (haha) so thought I would give it a go. I caught it from Nana to Bearing. Not much potential at first. I was all the way to OH Nut and many ins and outs. I was looking for a tall girl with a shear dress. I wore my thin shorts with no underwear.
At Oh Nut, she walks on. Perfect. I am 6-3 and she was 5-9. Maybe LB. Anyway, alot of people got on and I maneuvered myself to her backside. Close quarters. The Skytrain kind of moves and shakes around as it goes, so no problem moving and rubbing my cock against her ass. Nothing after the next stop. Then with a little more maneuvering, I started to get hard. I could feel my cock between her ass crack. She looked back over her shoulder a few times, but never tried to move away. This went on for the next several stops until she got off the stop before Bearing. Fun time. If I was 18 again, I probably would have let go.Is this for real?
Bartchamdo
04-09-13, 10:23
While you're at it can you please hit up Elena from Subway Soi 7. 1? Short blond haired Russian chick sitting outside. We are in lack of any FR's of her. Soon I am thinking of doing her myself just to ease my curiosity but I feel you are in a much better aiming possition (beeing in BKK and all) to repair this gaping hole in girlsreporting inside here.To read about Elena you need to check out the Foreign Sex Workers thread. There are 2 field reports about her, though not in much detail. One was posted Feb 24, and the other is from March 21.
Feb 24:
"Elena.
If I remember correctly, her apartment was on soi 19 (I think) close to honey hotel, not bad little place.
Overall the service was good, she made me feel safe and right at home and it was another check mark on my TDL (non asian in Thailand)."
March 21:
"I did the short hair blonde two times, in both my two trips to Bangkok. In my first trip I asked her name and she said "Lana". After my first trip I read from ISG that this short hair blonde is Elena. Then during the second trip, I just checked in my hotel, and went to seven eleven to buy a sim card, There I met Lana and asked her, are you elena? She said "no". Then I asked you Sit in subway soi7/1. She said no. Then I said her I'm sorry I misunderstood you as other person, and she left. Then the next day night I saw her sitting in subway and it was the same women there, then I approached her and asked her that I met you today early morning, you said your not elena, to which she replied" I am Lana, not elena", then I asked her do you remember me, we met a month and a half before, she said " there are so many customers, and I don't rememebr U". I think she is lying. Then she took me to the short time room and finished with the deed. She declined to come to my hotel."
Member #4387
04-09-13, 11:24
any of you have a monger bucket list? i do and have crossed off a few things. different races, etc. i am serious and not trying to make fun. i fucked a midget in vegas for $300. she obviously did not have to get on knees for bbbj.
i also fucked a parapeligic in socal off one of the websites. not easy to fuck a girl in a wheel chair.
last night i met a sw here who is deaf. .on my bucketlist i keep track of girls i have done and which country they come from. it starts to build up a pretty decent international crowd. 2 times i have done legless (and wheelchaired) girls. 1 time in sweden and lately during last years paraolympics in london (actually a female athleete in the athleete village). the only thing you miss out is the legs wrapped around you in mish and the obvious trouble of standing on all fours like in doggy. there are ofcourse minor logistic issue if you plan to hang out with them. i also did the fiji bushwoman. bigger "female" than me and angry. she took me into the woods close to nadi. that is the worse bush i ever saw (felt at first) covering up a pussy, wow. it was pitch dark, she was pitch black and pussy hair dark. took me a while to find that opening. a lot of bugbites after i managed to do her. when morning broke i saw that mighty bush untouched by humans hands.
i have done deaf and that was a delightful quite moment. this was in shanghai. i am not sure if she was chineese or mongolian i did not bother to ask.
i have read about the skytrain action (haha) so thought i would give it a go. i caught it from nana to bearing. i wore my thin shorts with no underwear. at oh nut, she walks on. perfect. i am 6-3 and she was 5-9. maybe lb. the skytrain kind of moves and shakes around as it goes, so no problem moving and rubbing my cock against her ass. nothing after the next stop. then with a little more maneuvering, i started to get hard. i could feel my cock between her ass crack. she looked back over her shoulder a few times, but never tried to move away. this went on for the next several stops until she got off the stop before bearing. fun time. if i was 18 again, i probably would have let go. no action on the way back to nana as trains were light traffic.time for lunch.haha you are insane. nice going.
NeverGetsOld
04-09-13, 14:13
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Took a good nap today, then headed to Patpong. You can take Skytrain from Nana, just one switch at Siam.
I usually hit this place once each trip. BBBJ bar and FS.
There were 7 girls out front. 2 cute which was a surprise. The quality here is usually poor.
I picked the cutest one. Name Peam? Nice smiley Isaan girl age 25 with very smooth skin. We started out in the bar area. This is a public area with 2 booths and some chairs. I got a Coke.
The manager lady was fixing her hair. Girls walking past. All this time my girl is sucking my cock and making slurping noises.
But I wanted FS also, so we went into the bathroom. This is seedy but no matter. Very small room, sticky cum on the floor, a toilet, sink, bathing area for the girls, a stool, and it stinks.
She continued BBBJ, then got condom for FS. That's fine. She turned and we fucked stand up doggie, with a pull out wad shot on her back.
This place will do the job, but that is about it. 1000 B for BBBJ and FS. This is the less expensive FS spot of the BJ bars from what I know.
I have to share this with you guys. Instead for going for freelances like usually (currently got one, really nice, with 3000LT damage, which keeps returning. For the money I am afraid. But a young and fresh lady, appearing very innocent and insecure. And from Isan of course. I went today to the massage parlor ANNIE's, where so many people talk about.
Here is my report, and I really believe it should also be seen by BGK report people not "Annie's fanatics" only so that's why I post here:
What a sad and "cheap looking" place. Really. I was astonished about the bad quality all over.
Annie's appears like a frustrated slave driver and so do the girls, let's better say middle-aged women. As posted earlier, the pictures on the homepage and walls appear really outdated to a good part and when I was there (5pm, supposedly a good time) there were plenty of girls (around 10-15) but none really nice, and most definitely over 25.
The thing which shocked me most was that the atmosphere in the house as well as in the fish bowl appeared really sad. The girls frustrated and worn out.
Okay whatever, I took the best looking one (later were told she is 27,"Lala" or so; #6) as I wanted to make the experience and as so many here write so positively about Annies.
The girls appeared nice, the first 5min. Then I already waited 10min alone in room until she came back. She washed me on a special mattress, rubbing her body on me. Was nice, but after she but her away (to not get wet) and after undressing I was not much attracted anymore. Hanging breasts, and face which now also could be a lady boy. Whatever. What already turned me off here was the obvious standard routine of a completely bored and really worn out woman. I never saw such a sad "working lady", and I saw a lot, believe me. Yet, she did not appear to be an exception at that place.
Well after having some wash session on the mattress I was put to the bathing tube. Was okay, and she made a nice hand job. The blow jobs actually were all pretty bad, I could feel her teeth. And she was going to stress my little Boy too much from time to time. The touch simply was not gentle, but very mechanic.
Well I came with her hand job. Was good, but nothing special as she did not touch me except on my dick.
Well then we went on the bed to continue with another massage (remember that they promise 2hrs for 2500- all included). We both made a 10min break small talking. The girl was nice, but she was desparate so my feeling. She asked for a "water". For THB 120. I was lauging and said no. I myself was frustrated by then and was again disappointed by the cheap policies of that place. 120- I do not even pay for a beer in most gogo places. (Pattaya is 65-)
I wondered what was coming next. It was an okay normal massage on the back and then on the front. With again lots of monotonolus blow jobs (which again hurted more than they were nice, because she was going too far with her hands from time to time). She then desperately tried that I quickly come, shake my little Friend like crazy. I alsmost came a few times but then always something hurt. Again, everything appeared very mechanical (just as a side note, I had a normal massage in Pattaya and was asked at some point for "full service"? I said yes, got a super-hand job with oil from a middle-aged average looking woman. Did not matter. At least she had a very good touch and gave a great feeling; the damage there was THB 700-). Well I did not come a second time although she tried badly. I said at some point I have enough because I was worried that she really hurts me at some point. With permanent damage which would be a desaster for the remaining BGK days. .
I left after 90min, greatly disappointed and slightly disgusted by the place. The girls, and the business.
I have to share this with you guys. Instead for going for freelances like usually (currently got one, really nice, with 3000LT damage, which keeps returning. For the money I am afraid. But a young and fresh lady, appearing very innocent and insecure. And from Isan of course. I went today to the massage parlor ANNIE's, where so many people talk about.
I left after 90min, greatly disappointed and slightly disgusted by the place. The girls, and the business.The fact the place needs a refurbishing is out of question.
I think any fishbowl, looked in some way, will appear as you described. Bit of a meat market. But I don't think there is one not being so.
The performance of the ladies is often a matter of chemistry and their approach to the job, to the guy, to the day. And the same thing the other way around. Maybe the 10' waiting out you in a bad state of mind (it would do to me).
What never ceases to amaze me, but it is not a peculiarity of Annie's but a lot of places, bars, etc, is when you walk in front of Annie's and you see something that loooks like the office canteen, with girls eating, some in full make up, some with a reminiscence of working clothing (or stockings). In some bars, if the business is calm and not many customers around, the girls lay on the couches and have a nap.
That doesn't help to the standard of a "professional" place. Again, it is quite common so I am not specifically addressing to Annie's, it is Thai for sure, but it is a turn off.
I like Annie's, had mixed results, friends of mine, newbies really love it, but it doesn't trigger me anymore. Maybe as, anyhow, it is pretty much a routine (again, in this case it is not Annie's itself, it is the concept).
I much prefer the unexpected (up to some level) and not work as part of a (timed) script.
But hey, it is P4P not a romance, LOL
Whole talk of booming economy and all that is hogwash. Reality is right in front of you. Too many girls everywhere all the time.
So monger on. Negotiate well, tip well, have lots of fun. That is what is BKK. Easy, cheap, hassle free.Really? Not booming? Try to hire employees in Bangkok. See what the current salaries are compared to 5 years ago. Unemployment is less than 1. There are 80 high rises over 30 stories under construction in BKK. Yes, the economy is booming, in many different sectors. There are far fewer girls on the game than there were 13 years ago when I moved here, due mainly to the fact that they can make enough at legit jobs. Before that was not the case.
The fact the place needs a refurbishing is out of question.Its a dump!
Remember this day guys, it freaking monumental, not only did m. Thatcher (good lady I hear-believe in freedom. Not * ass socialsism) die.
But it is the day the BRITISH (farangs) took over Rainbow 4. I told you guys it was a trend. Farangs were slowly but surely increasing in numbers. I f somehow it is not stopped we will have another Angelwitch on our hands. Who needs that. LOL.
I swear for a full hour the farangs outnumbered the asians!
Now if the light skin hot girls move to Rainbow 2- it wouldn't be so bad. But I wonder would they.
This close contact on BTS is not rare. I was on from Nana to siam today. 3 stations apart- A hot working farang lady stopped right where my genitalia was hanging- she must have felt it becomming erect but she did not attempt to move-neither did I. LOL. OMG she felt good. To top it off she was very pretty and had the kind of breasts I crave for.
A while back I went in to Annies for a look. I saw what you guys saw- the girls were doing everything but sitting professionally. And they were kinda ugly too. LOL. You don't see that kind of behavoir in the Ratchada massage parlours.Harold your posts are as funny as they are informative but I think you have a severe case of Rainbowitis! I have been to all the Rainbows in Nana and would concede they do have some of the best looking girls in Nana, whether the attitude and level of service hits the same heights I would question. On a serious note do you actually do your hunting anywhere else except the Rainbows?
I personally do like the go-go's but there is a wide spectrum of P4P out there. I am not making a judgement on your likes and desires just asking a serious question which is "where else do you monger"?
Regards,
BJ
Really? Not booming? Try to hire employees in Bangkok. See what the current salaries are compared to 5 years ago. Unemployment is less than 1. There are 80 high rises over 30 stories under construction in BKK. Yes, the economy is booming, in many different sectors. There are far fewer girls on the game than there were 13 years ago when I moved here, due mainly to the fact that they can make enough at legit jobs. Before that was not the case.Some guys are good at denying reality.
I noticed a couple of years ago that the Thais have a lot more disposable income than in recent memory. Just take a stroll through any mall and you'll find at least one high-end bakery and / or a cupcake shop. Cupcakes are very trendy, and probably the ultimate impulse purchase. Most shops seem to be priced the same as their LA equivalent! Don't tell me things aren't booming.
I'm currently staying in a condo in the Sathorn area. It seems the whole world around here is under construction. And every day I see the hordes of Thai office workers going to and from lunch, or whatever. Don't tell me things aren't booming.
I used to like to visit Nana in the daytime. I realize that the A team doesn't show up until the evening, but there were always some cuties, with good personalities, in the mix. I swore last year was my last visit to that sewer. But, yesterday I had some free time so I got a manicure at my fave little shop down the street and then looked into Nana to check out the remodeling. OMG. All the outdoor joints were chock full of the ugliest, nastiest girls I'd seen in a long time. Most were very dark, and obviously hailing from the outermost regions of Isaan. The ones not occupied with customers were just scowling down at the passers-by. Not a smile among them. The only bubbly ones were the ladyboys hanging around outside Obsessions. A particularly tall and homely one bounced up, asked if I wanted a drink, pointed out that this was a ladyboy bar, and then confided that he had a large cock and wanted to fuck me with it. I stopped at Lucky Lukes and had a quick beer with the "best of the worst." Very petite girl with a nice personality. She was the only one who smiled and said hello. So, she got the biscuit. Sat and watched all the girls showing up for work. This was around 5:00. 5:30. Except I only saw 2 or 3 girls show up. I did see hordes of ladyboys parade past. OMG. One could be excused for thinking there were no longer any women working in Nana. Don't tell me things aren't booming.
It may come as a surprise to a lot of guys, but most girls really don't want to sell their bodies to fat, smelly, sweaty farang. Usually it comes from some economic necessity. Thais, as a whole, tend to live more frugally than Westerners, so it doesn't take tons of money to survive. With wages far higher now than a few years back, supporting oneself with legitimate work is now much more of an option than 10 years ago. Hence, far fewer girls working, and many of those are near the bottom of the quality barrel. Don't tell me things aren't booming.
Some guys are good at denying reality.
I noticed a couple of years ago that the Thais have a lot more disposable income than in recent memory. Just take a stroll through any mall and you'll find at least one high-end bakery and / or a cupcake shop. Cupcakes are very trendy, and probably the ultimate impulse purchase. Most shops seem to be priced the same as their LA equivalent! Don't tell me things aren't booming.
I'm currently staying in a condo in the Sathorn area. It seems the whole world around here is under construction. And every day I see the hordes of Thai office workers going to and from lunch, or whatever. Don't tell me things aren't booming.
I used to like to visit Nana in the daytime. I realize that the A team doesn't show up until the evening, but there were always some cuties, with good personalities, in the mix. I swore last year was my last visit to that sewer. But, yesterday I had some free time so I got a manicure at my fave little shop down the street and then looked into Nana to check out the remodeling. OMG. All the outdoor joints were chock full of the ugliest, nastiest girls I'd seen in a long time. Most were very dark, and obviously hailing from the outermost regions of Isaan. The ones not occupied with customers were just scowling down at the passers-by. Not a smile among them. The only bubbly ones were the ladyboys hanging around outside Obsessions. A particularly tall and homely one bounced up, asked if I wanted a drink, pointed out that this was a ladyboy bar, and then confided that he had a large cock and wanted to fuck me with it. I stopped at Lucky Lukes and had a quick beer with the "best of the worst." Very petite girl with a nice personality. She was the only one who smiled and said hello. So, she got the biscuit. Sat and watched all the girls showing up for work. This was around 5:00. 5:30. Except I only saw 2 or 3 girls show up. I did see hordes of ladyboys parade past. OMG. One could be excused for thinking there were no longer any women working in Nana. Don't tell me things aren't booming.
It may come as a surprise to a lot of guys, but most girls really don't want to sell their bodies to fat, smelly, sweaty farang. Usually it comes from some economic necessity. Thais, as a whole, tend to live more frugally than Westerners, so it doesn't take tons of money to survive. With wages far higher now than a few years back, supporting oneself with legitimate work is now much more of an option than 10 years ago. Hence, far fewer girls working, and many of those are near the bottom of the quality barrel. Don't tell me things aren't booming.You are spot on. Many things in Bangkok are more expensive than they are in the US. Some of the pubs want almost 400 baht or 13 USD for a burger and fries! Almost 6 USD for a watery drink or a local beer. One can get a pint of great craft beer at most bars in the US for 5 USD. And your assessment of the talent level is right on the money. There are far fewer pretty girls on the game. Ask any bar owner how hard it is to get talent. Yes, most women do not want to be prostitutes. It is quite easy to support oneself with a legit job. That was not the case 10 years ago. The girls on the game now are a bit different from those a decade ago. Rarely do I encounter a gal who has a day job and it out to supplement their income. Now, it is mainly hardened pros, who are either looking for the easy way out or just not that sharp. Hey, not to cast stones here, but it is the truth.
RCA Knight
04-10-13, 06:47
There are far fewer pretty girls on the game. Ask any bar owner how hard it is to get talent. Yes, most women do not want to be prostitutes. It is quite easy to support oneself with a legit job. That was not the case 10 years ago.And also don't forget there are more and more rich Thai men as compared to 10 years ago. More and more cuties can easily find their sugar papas one after one. So a huge portion of these cuter ones dive into the gik and mia noi categories. So how many these cuter leftovers still in the market? I noticed the trend many years ago, and have left for fresher grounds.
You are spot on. Many things in Bangkok are more expensive than they are in the US. Some of the pubs want almost 400 baht or 13 USD for a burger and fries! Almost 6 USD for a watery drink or a local beer. One can get a pint of great craft beer at most bars in the US for 5 USD. And your assessment of the talent level is right on the money. There are far fewer pretty girls on the game. Ask any bar owner how hard it is to get talent. Yes, most women do not want to be prostitutes. It is quite easy to support oneself with a legit job. That was not the case 10 years ago. The girls on the game now are a bit different from those a decade ago. Rarely do I encounter a gal who has a day job and it out to supplement their income. Now, it is mainly hardened pros, who are either looking for the easy way out or just not that sharp. Hey, not to cast stones here, but it is the truth.I agree that a lot things, namely clothes, consumer goods in general, cars, and even a price of a beer in a pub is more than the US, but there's a relatively small number of pubs in Bangkok and their main customers are expats (not english teachers) and thais who think a pub is fashionable. A pub in the US, europe or australia is a place you hang around drunks and degenerates.
I don't think it's changed a whole lot in the last 5 years in terms of girls. I think the proportion of really hot gogo dancers is about the same. It's always been a really small percentage that are really hot. If you're not getting barfined a lot, maybe you have more incentive to work in a factory now. The type of girl that can walk in the bar and has a drink bought within 5 minutes is still around and not going anywhere. Where's a hot, uneducated isan going to work? Getting $2 an hour in a factory instead of $1.30 isn't much of an incentive.
.leftovers still in the market? I noticed the trend many years ago, and have left for fresher grounds.Do you care to name these fresher grounds?
NeverGetsOld
04-10-13, 07:04
Naah, man. You've got it all wrong. Dude's got mad skills.
Only his second time in country, doesn't speak the language, doesn't know som tam from nam som, and already all the "allegedly" civilian chicks are falling all over themselves to do freebies.
In a culture where a smile means anything from friendship, to an apology, to embarrassment, to I want to slit your throat, the guy's got all that figured out as well. If the vendor smiles back at you, next thing you're screwing her brains out. I know we all believe him, right? I know I'm convinced."I stopped at Lucky Lukes and had a quick beer with the "best of the worst." Very petite girl with a nice personality. She was the only one who smiled and said hello. So, she got the biscuit.". Phordphan.
Looks like the newbie giving good advice to the community and the veteran jealous in envy. Not sure why it's so hard to fathom my reports. Girls having anal sex all over the world. Welcome to Earth.
I left after 90min, greatly disappointed and slightly disgusted by the place. The girls, and the business.Wow this post really resonates with me. It almost exactly mirrors my experience of Annie's. Indifferent providers and shortening session times are the classic tells of a tourist trap. There are SO MANY better choices in BKK.
SunLover
I agree that a lot things, namely clothes, consumer goods in general, cars, and even a price of a beer in a pub is more than the US, but there's a relatively small number of pubs in Bangkok and their main customers are expats (not english teachers) and thais who think a pub is fashionable. A pub in the US, europe or australia is a place you hang around drunks and degenerates.
I don't think it's changed a whole lot in the last 5 years in terms of girls. I think the proportion of really hot gogo dancers is about the same. It's always been a really small percentage that are really hot. If you're not getting barfined a lot, maybe you have more incentive to work in a factory now. The type of girl that can walk in the bar and has a drink bought within 5 minutes is still around and not going anywhere. Where's a hot, uneducated isan going to work? Getting $2 an hour in a factory instead of $1. 30 isn't much of an incentive.Actually the real measuring stick is to go to places Thai folks go, and let me tell ya, the prices all over the city are up. Bars where mongers don't frequent are quite a bit more expensive. Food costs up as well. Your local Pojana has even seen price increases.
How many times do I have to tell you prostituting onesself is not easy work. LOL.
Again you are making ridiculous comparisions. You don't use PUBS as a. Basis for comparing anything. I bet Pubs in USA charge a lot for water too.
Hordes of office girls going to lunch. They going to eat their 30 baht som tam. LOL. They not heading to the Sheraton all you can eat buffet for 899 baht.Really? Pubs and bars are full all over the city. Ever get down to Thong Lor, Ekkamai? Ever get out to Smith or Quince? Full of Thais. This is not a backwater anymore Harold. It is a thriving economy. See the lines at Starbucks? Don't kid yourself. Thais are making far more money than they did five years ago. Far more. Have you tried to hire skilled employees lately?
The comparison with pubs is between then and now. And no, in the US most of the time water is free.
How many times do I have to tell you prostituting onesself is not easy work. LOL.
Again you are making ridiculous comparisions. You don't use PUBS as a. Basis for comparing anything. I bet Pubs in USA charge a lot for water too.
Hordes of office girls going to lunch. They going to eat their 30 baht som tam. LOL. They not heading to the Sheraton all you can eat buffet for 899 baht.FYI, the water is free in virtually every pub and restaurant in the USA. And I can think of several, off the top of my head, that serve a nice selection of beers, my favorite being anything from the Stone Brewing Co. Mmmmm, Stone IPA <drool> Cost of a pint will run between $5 and $6. Mr. Goat is spot on.
The point about the hordes of office ladies is that hordes of pretty girls can now find that it's possible to make ends meet on an office worker's salary. They don't have to hang out in Farang Gulch shouting "Hallo, hansum maannn" to passersby.
Whether anybody wants to admit it, or not, the number of working girls is down substantially. Bars are having a hard time retaining staff and the pretty ones can practically write their own ticket. This most definitely was not the case 10 years ago. It may be anecdotal, but the girls I saw plying their trade yesterday in and around Nana prove the point. 10 years back, these same girls wuld have been mopping the floors or serving drinks. They would have been hard pressed to get any reasonably sober customers!
Really? Pubs and bars are full all over the city. Ever get down to Thong Lor, Ekkamai? Ever get out to Smith or Quince? Full of Thais. This is not a backwater anymore Harold. It is a thriving economy. See the lines at Starbucks? Don't kid yourself. Thais are making far more money than they did five years ago. Far more. Have you tried to hire skilled employees lately?
The comparison with pubs is between then and now. And no, in the US most of the time water is free.No doubt! In the last couple of years wine has become very, very popular with the locals. And the fucking wine here is outrageously priced. Plonk that goes for under $10 a bottle at home goes for $30. And locals are drinking it up.
I was in Udon and Nong Khai over the weekend, visit the GF's relatives, doing the pre-songkran merit making and pouring water on the dear departed's ashes (which is so weird I will never get used to it). We drove over to a huge shopping center that is fairly new. UD World, or some such. Anyway, you couldn't get a parking spot. The joint was packed. 99. 9% Thais shopping, wining and dining. Quite a few fairly nice places to eat, definitely not the food court at MBK.
Had dinner at a fairly nice joint. Wine Society. A bottle of rather low-end (but drinkable) Malbec was just under 800 baht. So, just under $30 for a $15 bottle of wine. Same bottle in BKK would probably run closer to 1, 000 baht. As the evening wore on and the place filled up, I noticed that it was all Thai clientele. They seemed to have no problem throwing down 200 baht per glass for the house swill.
Salaries are up all over the place, even in a relative backwater like UT. A blind man could see it.
Dextro Sol
04-10-13, 10:34
I am going to visit BKK again in the middle of may. I think its three years since I went mongering last time. I have been reading a lot about Star of light and I will visit this place for sure. Look at the picture from google street view, am I right if I presume that the bar stools belongs to
Cleo bar, which I have read is a good place to take a look at the ladies sitting outside? And the area where the ladies sit, is it under the stairs? And the bar, is it in the building next to the street?
There is a clip on youtube showing a little bit from SOL, you find it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa3sfPO1QmU
FYI, the water is free in virtually every pub and restaurant in the USA. And I can think of several, off the top of my head, that serve a nice selection of beers, my favorite being anything from the Stone Brewing Co. Mmmmm, Stone IPA <drool Cost of a pint will run between $5 and $6. Mr. Goat is spot on.
The point about the hordes of office ladies is that hordes of pretty girls can now find that it's possible to make ends meet on an office worker's salary. They don't have to hang out in Farang Gulch shouting "Hallo, hansum maannn" to passersby.
Whether anybody wants to admit it, or not, the number of working girls is down substantially. Bars are having a hard time retaining staff and the pretty ones can practically write their own ticket. This most definitely was not the case 10 years ago. It may be anecdotal, but the girls I saw plying their trade yesterday in and around Nana prove the point. 10 years back, these same girls wuld have been mopping the floors or serving drinks. They would have been hard pressed to get any reasonably sober customers!Yep. All right on the money. I am a Dogfish Head man myself, but love that Stone as well. Want a bottle of good IPA here, Rogue Yellow Snow will set you back about 300 baht, plus plus in most places.
Yea, what I see out there today would be mopping the floors ten years ago. Back in the day you saw really old dudes with young stunners. Not any more. Now you see the older dudes with gals in their 40s and spending a lot to keep those old dragons up as well. The younger gals are going with the younger dudes, who are hansum and willing to spend.
No doubt! In the last couple of years wine has become very, very popular with the locals. And the fucking wine here is outrageously priced. Plonk that goes for under $10 a bottle at home goes for $30. And locals are drinking it up.
I was in Udon and Nong Khai over the weekend, visit the GF's relatives, doing the pre-songkran merit making and pouring water on the dear departed's ashes (which is so weird I will never get used to it). We drove over to a huge shopping center that is fairly new. UD World, or some such. Anyway, you couldn't get a parking spot. The joint was packed. 99. 9% Thais shopping, wining and dining. Quite a few fairly nice places to eat, definitely not the food court at MBK.
Had dinner at a fairly nice joint. Wine Society. A bottle of rather low-end (but drinkable) Malbec was just under 800 baht. So, just under $30 for a $15 bottle of wine. Same bottle in BKK would probably run closer to 1, 000 baht. As the evening wore on and the place filled up, I noticed that it was all Thai clientele. They seemed to have no problem throwing down 200 baht per glass for the house swill.
Salaries are up all over the place, even in a relative backwater like UT. A blind man could see it.Been there. Was amazed at how a wine bar is flourishing up in Udon. Friends who live there say it packs out most nights. So, really guys, wake up and really take a look at what is going on in this country. Get out of the Farang Ghetto a bit!
No doubt! In the last couple of years wine has become very, very popular with the locals. And the fucking wine here is outrageously priced. Plonk that goes for under $10 a bottle at home goes for $30. And locals are drinking it up.Interesting point about the price of wine here. People have explained that it is due to import tax. What I find confusing is that Whisky, for example, does not bear the same price increase but is also imported. For example a bottle of single malt Glenmorangie will cost around £25-30 in the U. K and can be bought for 1, 700 baht or £35 in food land. You have to expect an increase for sure. But a £5-7 bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon in the U. K can cost between 800-1000 baht and that is not even form a restaurant, which is more than double the price? Is the import tax on wine way higher than it is on Whisky.
To add to the confusion import tariff's are normally used to protect domestic production. I know Thai Whisky exists but I have never come across Thai wine. Could this possibly be Thai logic raising it's distorted head yet again?
Regards,
BJ
RCA Knight
04-10-13, 14:23
Do you care to name these fresher grounds?Hahaha, I heard there are 3 million readers on this forum, if I reveal my fresh grounds, they will be overrun like Chang Ping by tens of thousands of "don't know how much to pay" "looking for new grounds" newbies.
Well, I have found some hard to get to places that are still very pure and pristine. I hope they stay that way for a little while. But I will give a few hints for free here, (1) Northern Laos (2) China-Vietnam border region on China side, ect, it takes special efforts to get to these places, and you definitely need a wing man for the first trip. But for me it is worth the investments so far.
Talking about the lesser and lesser cuties available on the meat market in Thailand, for me, it is quite obvious. 10 years ago, in any bigger massage parlour or gogo bar in BKK, I would have problem picking one, too many cuties, but now I have problem picking one, cannot find a cutie.
Also the prices never stop rising. 10 years ago, average MP sideline cost about 1200-1800, and cuter gogo girls 10 years ago very happy to take 1000 or even less for ST. And the girls' attitude was generally very good.
I was in BKK for a night the other day, first went to Soi Cowboy, tried to bar fine a girl in Shark that I would not take out 10 years ago, quoted me 2500 ST, and then complained my hotel too far, she wanted to go ST hotel, at first I was going to bargain down to 2000, but 2500 plus insisted on ST hotel was too much for me, I could easily imagine her lazy yawn on the bed. Left and went to Thermae, and did not get any better. I tried to pick up a semi-cutie, and she was actually trying to figure out who to go with, some guy before me tried on her, quoted me 2500, but came down to 2000, but again she wanted to go ST upstairs and hurry down to get her second, maybe third round, I was a little disgusted. All these craps made me reminiscent of the old days in Thailand over a decade ago, and make me long for my green pastures across the horizon.
I noticed a couple of years ago that the Thais have a lot more disposable income than in recent memory. Don't tell me things aren't booming.Thanks for the report Mr. Phan. Very informative.
Bunky
Traveler1234
04-10-13, 15:27
I am going to visit BKK again in the middle of may. I think its three years since I went mongering last time. I have been reading a lot about Star of light and I will visit this place for sure. Look at the picture from google street view, am I right if I presume that the bar stools belongs to .Yep, you got it. The video shows entering from the other side of the Soi but you got the right location.
Scorchin1470
04-10-13, 16:55
A pub in the US, europe or australia is a place you hang around drunks and degenerates.Occasionally there is a post with such a ridiculously stupid statement that the poster has to be called to account.
Pubs around the world are not the places for degenerates and drunks (those are drinking meths under railway arches and in public parks)
Pubs in many cities, towns and villages are important social centres and where you may even pick up a FL.
Dextro Sol
04-10-13, 18:30
Yep, you got it. The video shows entering from the other side of the Soi but you got the right location.Thank you Traveler, then I know exactly how to get there.
Wolvenvacht
04-10-13, 18:33
(snip) but again she wanted to go ST upstairs and hurry down to get her second, maybe third roundThat is why I prefer to engage the girls on LT basis only. It avoids the time-pressure and "hurry up" attitude. Of course it is more expensive, but generally I get three pops out of one LT, so in the end I think it is worth it.
Ok guys, here is my opinion on this girl and after that each to their own. Was in Bangkok 1 month ago and staying close to soi 7. One evening she stopped me early enough maybe 8pm. Quoted what was on offer and the price. It was basically all covered BJ & sex. Could stay the night at her place if it was LT. Price 3000 baht. I didn't take up her offer but two days later I did. Price 3500 baht. Funny thing I just did not have a good feeling about it and I was right. Everything was an issue. Cock too big, she didn't like this, not comfortable with that. All bullshit. Finished me with an oily handjob. Left soon after although she did ask did I want to stay the night but I'm sure that would have cost more at some stage. For me a complete waste of money but not annoyed as I was kind of expecting thats what what it would be. Only satisfaction was telling her it would have cost ne a hell of a lot more in Moscow, not that she cared.
Interesting point about the price of wine here. People have explained that it is due to import tax. What I find confusing is that Whisky, for example, does not bear the same price increase but is also imported. For example a bottle of single malt Glenmorangie will cost around £25-30 in the U. K and can be bought for 1, 700 baht or £35 in food land. You have to expect an increase for sure. But a £5-7 bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon in the U. K can cost between 800-1000 baht and that is not even form a restaurant, which is more than double the price? Is the import tax on wine way higher than it is on Whisky.I have researched the matter a little. Taxes are identical be it pisslight wine or the strongest vodka. For import, the excixe calculation in itself is ridiculous (compounding of duty over duty) , amounts to about 300 percent. For domestic, it is also quite high, can't remember exactly, but that explains why beer is also relatively expensive. Since alchol consumption grows constantly, the governement uses the excuse of protecting public health whileraking up a shitload of money.
Interesting point about the price of wine here. People have explained that it is due to import tax. What I find confusing is that Whisky, for example, does not bear the same price increase but is also imported. For example a bottle of single malt Glenmorangie will cost around £25-30 in the U. K and can be bought for 1, 700 baht or £35 in food land. You have to expect an increase for sure. But a £5-7 bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon in the U. K can cost between 800-1000 baht and that is not even form a restaurant, which is more than double the price? Is the import tax on wine way higher than it is on Whisky.
To add to the confusion import tariff's are normally used to protect domestic production. I know Thai Whisky exists but I have never come across Thai wine. Could this possibly be Thai logic raising it's distorted head yet again?
Regards,
BJThe tax on wine is an excise tax, Thai wines pay it as well. There is also an import duty on wine, but the main culprit for high prices is the excise tax. Imported beer has a very high duty. Beer is interesting here. Two of the richest men in Thailand are bev guys. Have had some friends look into staring a craft brewery here. Almost impossible with the tax structure. The least amount you can pay tax on is 1 million liters. At that point you can only sell what you brew on premise. You cannot bottle. Think Tawan Daeng or The Londoner. The tax then jumps to 10 million liters at which point you can bottle and sell. Most craft breweries in the US produce less than 5 million but more than 1 million per year. So they have essentially cut this out of the market.
First thing I noticed when I arrived 10 years a go was the old guys with the ugliest girls one could imagine. Same same today. LOL.That was not my experience Harold. In fact, when I arrived here over a decade ago there were very few dudes under 40 in most of the bars.
The type of girls mopping the floors 10 years ago are still mopping floors today. LOL.
There aint a whole of interest in these type of girsl at over 700 baht. LOL. You guys know that agogos were never full of hot chicks. Some hot, many ok, the rest floor moppers.
Bangkok rocks and it will for a long long time. It don't matter a whole lot if they building 80 new hi rises. LOL.
Its really hard to believe the issan education system in 10 years are suddenly providing capable issan girls for big industry. Them isan girls know its pussy time if they want to make it- and unfortunately very few actually make it- and of those that do, at what cost?Actually there is a huge demand for both skilled and unskilled workers in BKK and the rest of Thailand. Construction wages are climbing as Burmese are heading back to work in their own country which will boom soon enough. This is not the Thailand of 10 years ago, it is not even the Thailand of two years ago. The game has changed and so has the P4P scene. And it will continue to change.
to add to the confusion import tariff's are normally used to protect domestic production. i know thai whisky exists but i have never come across thai wine. could this possibly be thai logic raising it's distorted head yet again?
regards,
bjthere is a small thai wine industry.
believe it or not, there is a rather large vineyard just outside of pattaya. go figure. i had no idea decent grapes would grow here. we visited last year. unfortunately, there were no free tastings, as there are in napa, or paso robles. maybe that's changed now? in any case, i wasn't going to lay down $30 for a bottle of thai cabernet sauvignon. so, the excise certainly appears to apply to domestic production, too.
a teacher i used to know in the petchabun area says that there are wineries in that general area, too.
Tony Hoeprano
04-11-13, 06:14
How much of the people are actually benefiting from it? Of course you're going to see many well to do Thais in fine establishments, but that's to be expected in a city of 12 million. I see too many people who should be enjoying their retirement, but instead, are pushing food carts in the sweltering heat, tell them the economy is booming. 1% unemployment sounds great, but like Mark Twain said, Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics. Many of those jobs are where people are making a pittance and includes too many security guards, car parkers, and ipad accessory sellers.
The other day, I was at Chesters and there were 20 employees and maybe 10 diners LOL, most just standing around twiddling their thumbs. I order the Salmon and rice set, and in a few minutes the food arrives by a "server" but they don't give me any silverware haha. 20 employees and they can't even clean the silverware in time! Got to love Thailand!
Crocodilexp
04-11-13, 08:57
My worst experience was a tall blonde, aggressive girl. 2,3 minutes into fucking she was telling me to finish and closing her legs. Not liking her sex I offered her 1000 of the 2000 bar fine even though we just started fucking. Then she just slaps me hard without saying anything. Acting like it was too long and to pay her now.
My other bad experience, I was stupid. I picked up a freelancer in Pattaya with giant tits for 1000 baht to stay for awhile. Her middle was a train wreck so I offered her 500 to leave after 10 mins. She didn't want to and got very mad and slammed the door when I stuck to my guns.
Any advice on the best way to play this?Bad experiences are sometimes unavoidable. In both cases, you made a mistake of being too soft at the outset, and then hardening up just as the girl was convinced she can boss you around.
If I sense a genuinely bad attitude early enough, I *immediately* go into damage control mode, with the singular focus of getting them out of the room. Your first step should generally be to halt the session decisively, offering a very small token payment (100 to 200 baht). Offering 1000 baht (full ST fare for a Bangkok FL) or 500 baht (full ST fare for Pattaya) for their bad behavior which didn't even amount to ST, only encourages them to ask for more. If she's physically attacking you or breaking things, it shows that she has zero fear out of your physical reaction. While you should never hit a girl, you're 2 times bigger, and it shouldn't be too hard to give out the vibe convincing them that if they become physical it won't end pretty for them.
In the end, if she's obstinate, you can offer some more severance money (perhaps up to 500/1000), but only when it's clear that she's dressed and standing at the door when you pay her (and not if she was breaking things or hitting you).
I once had a freelancer from hell from Sukhumwit who had a bad attitude, and wouldn't settle for the 200 baht cancellation fee (we didn't have sex yet), and insisted on the full 1000 baht fare. We had an almost 40-minute long standoff in my room, but she remained stationary throughout (lots of various threats, though not much shouting)... and in the end I paid her. If she started getting aggressive or breaking things at any point, it was clear she would come out worse off, so she didn't try (despite all the verbal back-and-forth, mentioning police, pimps and all).
How much of the people are actually benefiting from it? Of course you're going to see many well to do Thais in fine establishments, but that's to be expected in a city of 12 million. I see too many people who should be enjoying their retirement, but instead, are pushing food carts in the sweltering heat, tell them the economy is booming. 1% unemployment sounds great, but like Mark Twain said, Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics. Many of those jobs are where people are making a pittance and includes too many security guards, car parkers, and ipad accessory sellers.
The other day, I was at Chesters and there were 20 employees and maybe 10 diners LOL, most just standing around twiddling their thumbs. I order the Salmon and rice set, and in a few minutes the food arrives by a "server" but they don't give me any silverware haha. 20 employees and they can't even clean the silverware in time! Got to love Thailand!Tony, I think lots of folks are benefiting from it and not just in BKK. Land prices are skyrocketing everywhere in Thailand. The price of farm land in Isaan has quadrupled in many places. Many "poor" farmers are finding some cash upon selling their land. All of these "menial" jobs are paying more and more and will continue to.
Yes, many places are overstaffed, but Thais are working and they are kept working for the most part during eco downturns, in contrast with the US where people are just laid off.
Bartchamdo
04-11-13, 09:10
What I find confusing is that Whisky, for example, does not bear the same price increase but is also imported. For example a bottle of single malt Glenmorangie will cost around £25-30 in the U. K and can be bought for 1, 700 baht or £35 in food land. You have to expect an increase for sure. But a £5-7 bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon in the U. K can cost between 800-1000 baht and that is not even form a restaurant, which is more than double the price? Is the import tax on wine way higher than it is on Whisky. I know Thai Whisky exists but I have never come across Thai wine. Could this possibly be Thai logic raising it's distorted head yet again?I haven't done comparison pricing of single malt whiskey, but from what I've seen bourbon does have the same price increase as other liquors. A typical price for 1 Liter of Jim Beam or Jack Daniels is somewhere in the neighborhood of 1200. 1400 baht. That's about double the US price and about quadruple of what you'd pay in Phnom Penh Cambodia. (Oddly you can get American booze cheaper in Cambodia than in the USA.)
You write that you know Thai whiskey exists. Really? Mekong, for instance, sells itself as a whiskey, but is actually a rum. What Thai whiskeys are there? I'd be very surprised if I found there were any Thai bourbons or single malts. I don't think any Thai products are in competition in this market.
Scorchin1470
04-11-13, 09:42
Yes, many places are overstaffed, but Thais are working and they are kept working for the most part during eco downturns, in contrast with the US where people are just laid off.Far better to have them working than idling through their lives on benefits. There are great advantages to restricting benefits to those in REAL need rather than those too idle to get a job.
And working in a bar, in front or behind the counter is better than transplanting rice. As long as there are bars there will be bar girls to fuck.
Western787
04-11-13, 09:44
Bad experiences are sometimes unavoidable. In both cases, you made a mistake of being too soft at the outset, and then hardening up just as the girl was convinced she can boss you around.
If I sense a genuinely bad attitude early enough, I *immediately* go into damage control mode, with the singular focus of getting them out of the room. Your first step should generally be to halt the session decisively, offering a very small token payment (100 to 200 baht). Offering 1000 baht (full ST fare for a Bangkok FL) or 500 baht (full ST fare for Pattaya) for their bad behavior which didn't even amount to ST, only encourages them to ask for more. If she's physically attacking you or breaking things, it shows that she has zero fear out of your physical reaction. While you should never hit a girl, you're 2 times bigger, and it shouldn't be too hard to give out the vibe convincing them that if they become physical it won't end pretty for them.
In the end, if she's obstinate, you can offer some more severance money (perhaps up to 500/1000) , but only when it's clear that she's dressed and standing at the door when you pay her (and not if she was breaking things or hitting you).
I once had a freelancer from hell from Sukhumwit who had a bad attitude, and wouldn't settle for the 200 baht cancellation fee (we didn't have sex yet) , and insisted on the full 1000 baht fare. We had an almost 40-minute long standoff in my room, but she remained stationary throughout (lots of various threats, though not much shouting). And in the end I paid her. If she started getting aggressive or breaking things at any point, it was clear she would come out worse off, so she didn't try (despite all the verbal back-and-forth, mentioning police, pimps and all). (Just in case there is any confusion, and as you may already know, THOSE ARE NOT MY WORDS, as in my original post I am quoting "NeverGetsOld") While I see an entertainment value in the style of his posts, I believe any woman, working girl or not, anywhere in the world, London, New York, Bangkok, or living amongst the extreme poverty some of us may have encountered in Burma or the Phils should be treated with the utmost respect. Its a matter of basic human decency, aside from being bad Karma.
Here's my original post
Too funny man. One never knows because mongers operate at different levels, some could be chick magnet younger guys that the girls love, (I now see below he mentions he's a younger guy) or regular Brad Pitt types, or real charmers. In any case I am still laughing at his classic and entertaining post a few weeks back:
(Quoting NeverGetsOld)
"My best resource has been an ok looking nana bar girl." (leaving out the rest)
Tony Hoeprano
04-11-13, 09:56
Tony, I think lots of folks are benefiting from it and not just in BKK. Land prices are skyrocketing everywhere in Thailand. The price of farm land in Isaan has quadrupled in many places. Many "poor" farmers are finding some cash upon selling their land. All of these "menial" jobs are paying more and more and will continue to.
Yes, many places are overstaffed, but Thais are working and they are kept working for the most part during eco downturns, in contrast with the US where people are just laid off.That's interesting you mention about being laid off or fired. More than one person told me they would rather keep someone on the payroll who was worthless than having to pay his / her unemployment benefits, unlike the western world where they're not so shy about shitcanning you in a New York minute.
Anyhow, I was at Villa Market the other day and made the stroll down Massage Parlor Alley soi 11-13. I spotted a nice young one, named Ann from Issarn. She wanted 1500 for the suckie fuckie deal and with with some very fast painless negotiating, the deal was commenced at 1200 baht. She didn't have any horrible stretch marks, body was pretty nice and had a firm ass. At first she wanted to do blow job with condom and I hate that and wasn't having any of it. I told her I'll leave (this is why you should always pay and do massage AFTER the show is over) and she gets no money. She said ok then gave a pretty lame BJ, lots of not so tantalizing licking and she couldn't go down very far. Nevertheless, I was ready for the main event and this was much much better. She was fit and snug and turned her over doggystyle and her ass was one hell of a sight to behold! After some good poking action, I pulled the rubber off and glazed her back with a generous amount of goo LOL. Paid and left satisfied.
I haven't done comparison pricing of single malt whiskey, but from what I've seen bourbon does have the same price increase as other liquors. A typical price for 1 Liter of Jim Beam or Jack Daniels is somewhere in the neighborhood of 1200. 1400 baht. That's about double the US price and about quadruple of what you'd pay in Phnom Penh Cambodia. (Oddly you can get American booze cheaper in Cambodia than in the USA.)
You write that you know Thai whiskey exists. Really? Mekong, for instance, sells itself as a whiskey, but is actually a rum. What Thai whiskeys are there? I'd be very surprised if I found there were any Thai bourbons or single malts. I don't think any Thai products are in competition in this market.You're correct. The locals call it "whiskey" but it is a rum, and labeled as such.
I'm sure there is not enough grain production to come up with anything like a single malt. Lao khao would qualify as a whiskey, I think, but of course is made with rice. I also don't think there is enough corn production to justify making a bourbon.
I haven't done comparison pricing of single malt whiskey, but from what I've seen bourbon does have the same price increase as other liquors. A typical price for 1 Liter of Jim Beam or Jack Daniels is somewhere in the neighborhood of 1200. 1400 baht. That's about double the US price and about quadruple of what you'd pay in Phnom Penh Cambodia. (Oddly you can get American booze cheaper in Cambodia than in the USA.)
You write that you know Thai whiskey exists. Really? Mekong, for instance, sells itself as a whiskey, but is actually a rum. What Thai whiskeys are there? I'd be very surprised if I found there were any Thai bourbons or single malts. I don't think any Thai products are in competition in this market.It could be cheaper in Cambodia than the US because of the taxes. Simply, if Cambodia charges less tax on alcohol than in the States, then it will be cheaper. However, they can simply be counterfeit. Two nights ago, I was talking to one of the mobile bar owners about this. I asked her how much she paid for her Jack Daniels, and it was something like 1200 baht. Then she told me about the much cheaper counterfeit JD. She showed me the genuine bottle and explained how the counterfeit stuff was different. She said the label wasn't as glossy, but more easily detected (once open) was there was no plastic bit in the top. Not sure what the purpose is, but it's probably to allow air into the bottle while pouring so you don't get that "glug glug glug" effect.
NeverGetsOld
04-11-13, 10:44
Thanks for the advice Crocodile. Looks good and something you would see in a Harvard business negotiations course. Don't act like that with them and kid like I kid about anyone. Frankly, one of the bigger dick moves I did by telling the girls at Mandarin I cummed in the hot one's eye, made the girls way more "wanting me" $$$ I don't think it was lost in translation so you do the math. I hope she didn't want me because I was V'd up and not too delicate with her.
I admit, I got some beginner's luck on the free V. I'm sure some washed up bar girls from back in the day and won't be that easy going forward. Almost as much work as USA.
Went to some of the Bangkok college girl hangouts. Wowww Fucking gorgeous girls, way better then pros.
Sad state of affairs. Caught some bird flu type shit here and going to have to take the night off. Maybe call up one of my freebies if my nose can stop dripping snot. Will open up my wallet later this week with the pros.
It could be cheaper in Cambodia than the US because of the taxes. Simply, if Cambodia charges less tax on alcohol than in the States, then it will be cheaper. However, they can simply be counterfeit. Two nights ago, I was talking to one of the mobile bar owners about this. I asked her how much she paid for her Jack Daniels, and it was something like 1200 baht. Then she told me about the much cheaper counterfeit JD. She showed me the genuine bottle and explained how the counterfeit stuff was different. She said the label wasn't as glossy, but more easily detected (once open) was there was no plastic bit in the top. Not sure what the purpose is, but it's probably to allow air into the bottle while pouring so you don't get that "glug glug glug" effect.And no comments on the actual difference in the product?
Several fish tank massage on pethaburi road. One called angelina near ekamai intersection on petburi has afternoon 1200-1300 deal FS room included and many choices. Better % of nice experience compared with sukumwit lethargic girls.
Amazing how go go dancers want 2000 and up for st plus bar fine. High % low motivation, low interest. Face it they are there NOT because they like sex, but like money. At least act interested for the money.
2600 and up is absurd. For 200 and up theres much better uni like gals at rachada road massage places (start from emerald hotel and walk with traffic and you will see many. Much nicer looking fish and it seems even improved brain function. Lets face it, the brain is connected to the puxxy. Also if not happy with the fish management usually offers a different one. Low motivation fish can get filtered out due to complaints from thai and other patrons.
No way to get sukhumwit FL's fired and expelled from the area LOL.
All in all FL and go go girls are not very interesting due to issues; laziness, scamming, lying, low interest / ability. Sex is better pre-mortem unlike that of high % of these girls.
(once open) was there was no plastic bit in the top. Not sure what the purpose is, but it's probably to allow air into the bottle while pouring so you don't get that "glug glug glug" effect.Correct and also one can pour it in a more controlled way as the rather large opening might result in a lot of liquid suddendly going out.
It could be cheaper in Cambodia than the US because of the taxes. Simply, if Cambodia charges less tax on alcohol than in the States, then it will be cheaper. However, they can simply be counterfeit. Two nights ago, I was talking to one of the mobile bar owners about this. I asked her how much she paid for her Jack Daniels, and it was something like 1200 baht. Then she told me about the much cheaper counterfeit JD. She showed me the genuine bottle and explained how the counterfeit stuff was different. She said the label wasn't as glossy, but more easily detected (once open) was there was no plastic bit in the top. Not sure what the purpose is, but it's probably to allow air into the bottle while pouring so you don't get that "glug glug glug" effect.Cambodia has no tax on alcohol.
That's interesting you mention about being laid off or fired. More than one person told me they would rather keep someone on the payroll who was worthless than having to pay his / her unemployment benefits, unlike the western world where they're not so shy about shitcanning you in a New York minute.
Anyhow, I was at Villa Market the other day and made the stroll down Massage Parlor Alley soi 11-13. I spotted a nice young one, named Ann from Issarn. She wanted 1500 for the suckie fuckie deal and with with some very fast painless negotiating, the deal was commenced at 1200 baht. She didn't have any horrible stretch marks, body was pretty nice and had a firm ass. At first she wanted to do blow job with condom and I hate that and wasn't having any of it. I told her I'll leave (this is why you should always pay and do massage AFTER the show is over) and she gets no money. She said ok then gave a pretty lame BJ, lots of not so tantalizing licking and she couldn't go down very far. Nevertheless, I was ready for the main event and this was much much better. She was fit and snug and turned her over doggystyle and her ass was one hell of a sight to behold! After some good poking action, I pulled the rubber off and glazed her back with a generous amount of goo LOL. Paid and left satisfied.Yep, I think the severance pay thing here is great. The first 90 days are probationary. If you let the employee go you pay the current months salary only. From three months to three years you owe them three months salary plus the current month, plus one month of "shock" pay if you do not let them know 30 days in advance. 3 years to 6 years is 6 months plus plus. 6.9 years is 9 months plus plus, and over 9 years is one years pay plus plus. When there is a downturn many companies have staff agree to take a pay cut for a certain amount of time instead of laying people off. Far better for all concerned. Would love to see this in the states!
Bartchamdo
04-12-13, 06:41
However, they can simply be counterfeit. Two nights ago, I was talking to one of the mobile bar owners about this. I asked her how much she paid for her Jack Daniels, and it was something like 1200 baht. Then she told me about the much cheaper counterfeit JD. She showed me the genuine bottle and explained how the counterfeit stuff was different. She said the label wasn't as glossy, but more easily detected (once open) was there was no plastic bit in the top. Not sure what the purpose is, but it's probably to allow air into the bottle while pouring so you don't get that "glug glug glug" effect.Some of the JD in Cambodia is fake, but not all. There was a whole thread on spotting fake JD on another forum. Here is (supposedly) the official word from the manufacturer:
"First, look through the back of the bottle, through the whiskey so you can see behind the front label. If there is a code printed on the glass behind the front label, it is a genuine Jack Daniel's bottle. Second, make sure the cap is unopened. If these two criteria are met, the bottle and its contents are genuine."
Thailand's water festival & New Year is from 13 April to 15 April.
Any tips?
Why do the guys who get FREE alwyas end up wanting to pay?Don't believe everything you read on this forum! LOL.
Seems odd that the dude's posts have all disappeared. We could learn a lot from somebody with as much game as he has. Or claims to.
Well, the good news is I got to ogle some of the most beautiful working girls I've ever seen in BKK outside of the Ratchada MPs.
The bad news is that I was strolling down Soi Thaniya while doing it.
Man, talk about feeling invisible. I don't think I could get arrested on that soi. Exactly one girl looked at me, smiled and waved. The rest just looked through me as if I weren't there.
Unfortunately, I wasn't invisible to the touts. One particularly insistent female tout insisted the girls did like farang. But I wasn't a buyer at that time, anyway, so it didn't matter.
It was rather fun, and a reality check. I will say I'll never look at the slappers in Soi Nana the same way again. LOL
Tony Hoeprano
04-12-13, 16:33
Well, the good news is I got to ogle some of the most beautiful working girls I've ever seen in BKK outside of the Ratchada MPs.
The bad news is that I was strolling down Soi Thaniya while doing it.
Man, talk about feeling invisible. I don't think I could get arrested on that soi. Exactly one girl looked at me, smiled and waved. The rest just looked through me as if I weren't there.
Unfortunately, I wasn't invisible to the touts. One particularly insistent female tout insisted the girls did like farang. But I wasn't a buyer at that time, anyway, so it didn't matter.
It was rather fun, and a reality check. I will say I'll never look at the slappers in Soi Nana the same way again. LOLThat whole Patpong area sucks with all the pingpong show clowns and I'm not sure you can get into one of the Soi Thaniya places unless you're 100% Nippon. I might wear a salaryman uniform and see if they'll let me in LOL.
Also many many Peter-Puffers around there too.
I am coming to Bangkok airport at 3:30pm which seems to be the worst time since a lot of other flights will be coming in at the same time therefore I am assuming that customs will be a nightmare. A friend of mine said that since I am flying in Business class that there is a fast track line for business and first class passages.
My question is that is this true that there is a separate custom line for Business and First Class travelers? And if there is such a line, can someone tell me where it is located?
If not, I was also told by someone else that there are actually 2 custom stations and if I see the first custom station with a lot of people, just keep walking and there should be a 2nd custom station about 5 minutes further down which should be shorter.
Thanks for any help.
I am coming to Bangkok airport at 3:30pm which seems to be the worst time since a lot of other flights will be coming in at the same time therefore I am assuming that customs will be a nightmare. A friend of mine said that since I am flying in Business class that there is a fast track line for business and first class passages.
Thanks for any help.There is a VIP fast track and it is located in between the two main immigration area. Yo uwill recognize it as it says VIP and Visa on Demand. Just go to the VIP and then you will see "fast track" above the booth. Keep you Business class boarding card tag at ahnds in case they did not give you, whilst and the plane, the "fast track card.
There are a few customs gate but often only one is mannered. I never seen much que there. If you see one, just skip it as often customs officers send some passengers to the x-ray machine based on profiling hte customers. You will see what I mean. If you are not one of those profiled nationalities, just walk through. Worst case scenario (never happened to me) they will stop you nad ask to pass your luggage thriugh the X-ray machine. Obviously walking through does not mean "running through"
Thailand's water festival & New Year is from 13 April to 15 April.Any tips?Walk around being ready to get wet
Mr Enternational
04-12-13, 18:35
I am coming to Bangkok airport at 3:30pm which seems to be the worst time since a lot of other flights will be coming in at the same time therefore I am assuming that customs will be a nightmare. A friend of mine said that since I am flying in Business class that there is a fast track line for business and first class passages.
My question is that is this true that there is a separate custom line for Business and First Class travelers? And if there is such a line, can someone tell me where it is located?
If not, I was also told by someone else that there are actually 2 custom stations and if I see the first custom station with a lot of people, just keep walking and there should be a 2nd custom station about 5 minutes further down which should be shorter.
Thanks for any help.Fast Track on arrival depends on which airline you are travelling on. There is no bad time for immigration (I assume you mean immigration and not customs) at BKK. It always runs pretty smoothly.
Here is more information. I am holding USA passport and my flight will arrive around 3:30pm Eva airline. New to Bangkok and their immigration system. I was told that I should receive a fast track coupon on the plane prior to arrival.
If I understand it, the VIP fast track should be pass the regular immigration line or very close to the immigration line? Thanks
Member #4387
04-12-13, 19:17
I am coming to Bangkok airport at 3:30pm which seems to be the worst time since a lot of other flights will be coming in at the same time therefore I am assuming that customs will be a nightmare. A friend of mine said that since I am flying in Business class that there is a fast track line for business and first class passages.
My question is that is this true that there is a separate custom line for Business and First Class travelers? And if there is such a line, can someone tell me where it is located?
If not, I was also told by someone else that there are actually 2 custom stations and if I see the first custom station with a lot of people, just keep walking and there should be a 2nd custom station about 5 minutes further down which should be shorter.
Thanks for any help.As Mr Enternational tells you it depends on your airline and if your airline has bothered to buy this service at the airport. Some airlines have this service written on the ticket and some gives you a tag you have to show. But the last couple of years I have rarerly experienced any que in the normal immigration lines so even if I mostly travel on C-class I go through this one. Fast track or not you have to wait for baggage to arrive anyway (atleast most mongers tend to have a checked in bag filled with sextoys I believe). Lately I have had atleast same waiting time in the fasttracklane than in the normal line. You will hit one of the normal immigrationscheckpoints first except if your airline dock approx in the middle of concourse D(where the fast track is located).
I have not managed the last 2 years to spot a time during the day worse than other when we speak of lines crowded by people. I think BKK has become an asian airport with high standards which runs smoothly all day long. If you want to travel back in time you should try go to Manila and you will hit 3 world standards airportwice (maby ex terminal 3).
Happy mongering.
As Mr Enternational tells you it depends on your airline and if your airline has bothered to buy this service at the airport. Some airlines have this service written on the ticket and some gives you a tag you have to show. But the last couple of years I have rarerly experienced any que in the normal immigration lines so even if I mostly travel on C-class I go through this one. Fast track or not you have to wait for baggage to arrive anyway (atleast most mongers tend to have a checked in bag filled with sextoys I believe). Lately I have had atleast same waiting time in the fasttracklane than in the normal line. You will hit one of the normal immigrationscheckpoints first except if your airline dock approx in the middle of concourse D (where the fast track is located).
I have not managed the last 2 years to spot a time during the day worse than other when we speak of lines crowded by people. I think BKK has become an asian airport with high standards which runs smoothly all day long. If you want to travel back in time you should try go to Manila and you will hit 3 world standards airportwice (maby ex terminal 3).
Happy mongering.Thanks for the information. Just some of the people that have been traveling to Bangkok scared me pretty good by telling me that I should expect to wait from 60-90 minutes to get through immigration since my flight is coming in during rush hour.
I do have 1 checked in bag so I would need to wait for that to arrive.
Thanks for the information. Just some of the people that have been traveling to Bangkok scared me pretty good by telling me that I should expect to wait from 60-90 minutes to get through immigration since my flight is coming in during rush hour.
I do have 1 checked in bag so I would need to wait for that to arrive.Ask the airline for the premium pass.
But they have made huge improvements for none pass holders. My last 3 times it took no more than 10 minutes to get thru immigration.
I am coming to Bangkok airport at 3:30pm which seems to be the worst time since a lot of other flights will be coming in at the same time therefore I am assuming that customs will be a nightmare. A friend of mine said that since I am flying in Business class that there is a fast track line for business and first class passages.
My question is that is this true that there is a separate custom line for Business and First Class travelers? And if there is such a line, can someone tell me where it is located?
If not, I was also told by someone else that there are actually 2 custom stations and if I see the first custom station with a lot of people, just keep walking and there should be a 2nd custom station about 5 minutes further down which should be shorter.
Thanks for any help.During my last three trips, my immigration wait times were about 45 minutes. 30 minutes, and 20 minutes. I arrive around noon. It's been much better since they make everyone stand the same queue. And only during my 45 minute wait, was my luggage already on the carousel, so as mentioned before, it didn't really matter that I got through "fast" or not the other two times.
Ask the airline for the premium pass.
But they have made huge improvements for none pass holders. My last 3 times it took no more than 10 minutes to get thru immigration.My last trip Nov 12 was no more than 15 min and I arrived 6 pm
As Mr Enternational tells you it depends on your airline and if your airline has bothered to buy this service at the airport. Some airlines have this service written on the ticket and some gives you a tag you have to show. But the last couple of years I have rarerly experienced any que in the normal immigration lines so even if I mostly travel on C-class I go through this one. Fast track or not you have to wait for baggage to arrive anyway (atleast most mongers tend to have a checked in bag filled with sextoys I believe). Lately I have had atleast same waiting time in the fasttracklane than in the normal line. You will hit one of the normal immigrationscheckpoints first except if your airline dock approx in the middle of concourse D (where the fast track is located).
I have not managed the last 2 years to spot a time during the day worse than other when we speak of lines crowded by people. I think BKK has become an asian airport with high standards which runs smoothly all day long. If you want to travel back in time you should try go to Manila and you will hit 3 world standards airportwice (maby ex terminal 3).
Happy mongering.Does it matter if a person is flying on Thai Air in Business Class? Is the arrival time at 10 pm a "slow" period? When arriving late in the evening, there seems to be a lot of other planes arriving from around the region and the arrival area is rather busy for that time of night. I can't imagine a bigger rush in the afternoon. My average has been about 40-45 minutes from touchdown to getting out of the customs.
I fly first on EVA (premium laurel) and my last trip the fast track people picked me up at the gate as I was leaving the plane with a golf cart and whisked me through. Only delay was the bag off the carousel but that was only a few milutes.
Does it matter if a person is flying on Thai Air in Business Class? Is the arrival time at 10 pm a "slow" period? When arriving late in the evening, there seems to be a lot of other planes arriving from around the region and the arrival area is rather busy for that time of night. I can't imagine a bigger rush in the afternoon. My average has been about 40-45 minutes from touchdown to getting out of the customs.Immigration is same for all airlines, BKK is an airport working nearly 24hrs in immigration. I am often in Nana area appr 1hr after touch down and I fly business class, most of the times, as Isue the fast track. The only critical moment is entering the town at appr 7/9 am, but this has nothing to do with the airport
Well, the good news is I got to ogle some of the most beautiful working girls I've ever seen in BKK outside of the Ratchada MPs.
The bad news is that I was strolling down Soi Thaniya while doing it.
Man, talk about feeling invisible. I don't think I could get arrested on that soi. Exactly one girl looked at me, smiled and waved. The rest just looked through me as if I weren't there.
Unfortunately, I wasn't invisible to the touts. One particularly insistent female tout insisted the girls did like farang. But I wasn't a buyer at that time, anyway, so it didn't matter.
It was rather fun, and a reality check. I will say I'll never look at the slappers in Soi Nana the same way again. LOLNow that the yen is tanking against the baht, it will be interesting to see how it effects biz at Thaniya. Probably be even more of them in Thermae if that is possible. The number of Non-Japanese Asian dudes participating in the P4P scene has increased geometrically over the last year. I was out and about last night and was stunned at the number of Korean and Chinese guys that were strolling Suk with their working girls in tow. Also amazed at how many of the gals with them were not that good looking. Sad thing is that I am sure most of these guys are paying top dollar. Just wait to see what effect that has on the market and with more and more Chinese coming, yesh! Must mention that the only freelancer place that had lookers was Thermae, but of course the chicks I am interested in are Japanese only and probably would not rim me, or provide the kind of service I expect. Bangkok Beat was awful. Old dudes and older gals. Of course it is Songkhran and lots of gals go home. All in all a pretty dour.
Wolvenvacht
04-13-13, 07:05
If not, I was also told by someone else that there are actually 2 custom stations and if I see the first custom station with a lot of people, just keep walking and there should be a 2nd custom station about 5 minutes further down which should be shorter.
Thanks for any help.Not customs, but Immigration. They have now installed flat screen monitors at the entrance to the Immigration halls, so you can see how "good" or "bad" the waiting is at the other hall, so you can take an informed decision whether or not to walk to the other hall.
Crocodilexp
04-13-13, 07:15
Just wait to see what effect that has on the market and with more and more Chinese coming, yesh!Not going to be a major factor. China already has literally millions of prostitutes at every imaginable price level. The experience is usually inferior to Thailand (more quick / mechanical) , but still, you won't see hordes of sex-starved men from China coming down to Thailand specifically for sex. Those at the bottom of the pile are too poor to travel, and those in the middle / upper classes have enough poon already. For them it's more of a side-show if they go to Bangkok on holiday or business.
Not going to be a major factor. China already has literally millions of prostitutes at every imaginable price level. The experience is usually inferior to Thailand (more quick / mechanical) , but still, you won't see hordes of sex-starved men from China coming down to Thailand specifically for sex. Those at the bottom of the pile are too poor to travel, and those in the middle / upper classes have enough poon already. For them it's more of a side-show if they go to Bangkok on holiday or business.I certainly hope that you are right, but with the huge shortage of women in China, well, it could be ugly.
Not related to girls, but a guy's got to eat sometime.
Had a tip that the view was nice at the Residence Arun, so decided to try it yesterday (Friday). Had to Google it and find the address. GF and I decided to taxi over instead of drive. Got there about 7:15 and the place was really busy. Sat upstairs, as the downstairs was full.
Their claim to fame is two decks that overlook the Chao Phraya. The view of what Arun at night is quite nice. And watching the boats cruise up and down the river, while sipping drinks, is enjoyable.
Speaking of drinks, they have a huge specialty cocktail menu. The bartender seems to know his shit. My Daiquiri was done very well, and that's not easy to find here. I don't use Triple Sec, but that's a minor quibble. GF had something with gin and maraschino cherry, forget the name, it was done properly, too. Price was about 170 per. Not bad for a properly mixed cocktail, and light years better than the $20 shit they pawn off on the tourists at Sky Bar. Stupid ass bartender at Sky Bar couldn't mix a mojito if his life depended on it. Of course the view isn't the same, so there is that.
We stayed for dinner. The place has an Italian theme (but plenty of generally farang dishes, too) , and Thai available. We opted for the farang. The guys next to us were eating Thai and it, too, looked really good. We split the grilled mushroom appetizer, which was quite good. Special note. Unlike some farang oriented places in TH, they know to bring the appetizer FIRST, and the entrιe second. I had the grilled red snapper with dill cream sauce, she had the duck leg confit. Both were quite good and properly cooked. We split an orange crepe for dessert. I thought the strawberry and nut flavor ice cream clashed a bit with the orange sauce, but overall it was good. Tip. The ice cream is homemade and very tasty.
So. 2 cocktails. 1 appetizer. 2 entrees. 1 dessert. Damage (including service charge and VAT) was just under 1, 800 baht. Not the most expensive meal in BKK, certainly not the cheapest, but very good value for money. I also noted that about half of the clientele were Thai.
That was one end of the spectrum. The other was lunch today (Saturday). We checked out of the condo and drove to her house near Rangsit. We stopped for lunch at her favorite noodle place, which is also my favorite. It's one of those dumpy-ass fake boat looking things in the mosquito breeding ground, err, canal.
Lunch consisted of 2 bowls (the bowls are small) of "boat noodles," two bowls of "dry noodles," one dish of khanom jeen, a plate of pork balls, two bottles of est cola and a couple of tiny dishes of some coconut dessert which I can't spell. The boat noodles are some of the best I've eaten. Left stuffed. Total damage. 150 baht.
I couldn't find the noodle joint on a bet, but if you are looking for a good place to take your GF du jour, you could do worse than the Arun Residence
Franciscass
04-13-13, 15:14
I have to share this with you guys. Instead for going for freelances like usually (currently got one, really nice, with 3000LT damage, which keeps returning. For the money I am afraid. But a young and fresh lady, appearing very innocent and insecure. And from Isan of course. I went today to the massage parlor ANNIE's, where so many people talk about.
Here is my report, and I really believe it should also be seen by BGK report people not "Annie's fanatics" only so that's why I post here:
What a sad and "cheap looking" place. Really. I was astonished about the bad quality all over.
Annie's appears like a frustrated slave driver and so do the girls, let's better say middle-aged women. As posted earlier, the pictures on the homepage and walls appear really outdated to a good part and when I was there (5pm, supposedly a good time) there were plenty of girls (around 10-15) but none really nice, and most definitely over 25.
The thing which shocked me most was that the atmosphere in the house as well as in the fish bowl appeared really sad. The girls frustrated and worn out.
Okay whatever, I took the best looking one (later were told she is 27,"Lala" or so; #6) as I wanted to make the experience and as so many here write so positively about Annies.
The girls appeared nice, the first 5min. Then I already waited 10min alone in room until she came back. She washed me on a special mattress, rubbing her body on me. Was nice, but after she but her away (to not get wet) and after undressing I was not much attracted anymore. Hanging breasts, and face which now also could be a lady boy. Whatever. What already turned me off here was the obvious standard routine of a completely bored and really worn out woman. I never saw such a sad "working lady", and I saw a lot, believe me. Yet, she did not appear to be an exception at that place.
Well after having some wash session on the mattress I was put to the bathing tube. Was okay, and she made a nice hand job. The blow jobs actually were all pretty bad, I could feel her teeth. And she was going to stress my little Boy too much from time to time. The touch simply was not gentle, but very mechanic.
Well I came with her hand job. Was good, but nothing special as she did not touch me except on my dick.
Well then we went on the bed to continue with another massage (remember that they promise 2hrs for 2500- all included). We both made a 10min break small talking. The girl was nice, but she was desparate so my feeling. She asked for a "water". For THB 120. I was lauging and said no. I myself was frustrated by then and was again disappointed by the cheap policies of that place. 120- I do not even pay for a beer in most gogo places. (Pattaya is 65-)
I wondered what was coming next. It was an okay normal massage on the back and then on the front. With again lots of monotonolus blow jobs (which again hurted more than they were nice, because she was going too far with her hands from time to time). She then desperately tried that I quickly come, shake my little Friend like crazy. I alsmost came a few times but then always something hurt. Again, everything appeared very mechanical (just as a side note, I had a normal massage in Pattaya and was asked at some point for "full service"? I said yes, got a super-hand job with oil from a middle-aged average looking woman. Did not matter. At least she had a very good touch and gave a great feeling; the damage there was THB 700-). Well I did not come a second time although she tried badly. I said at some point I have enough because I was worried that she really hurts me at some point. With permanent damage which would be a desaster for the remaining BGK days. .
I left after 90min, greatly disappointed and slightly disgusted by the place. The girls, and the business.Couldn't agree with your more. Back in the days when it was a 1000 and there were some nice choices it was a fun friendly spot until the owners realised you could target the newbies around Nana use the net and get away with charging 2500. Had they put some of the extra money into the place and recruited some real talent instead of investing in new shops it would have more acceptable to longer term residents. That said they seem to have their admirers and when the ladies are past their best they can head over to Soi7/1 to see out their old age on the P4P scene.
I certainly hope that you are right, but with the huge shortage of women in China, well, it could be ugly.An Adult Toy trade Exhibition is running this weekend in Shangai. Sales and visitors are booming. The number of men using aadult toys is increasing as they out-number the women by 30%
Strolling down soi thaniya, the sex girls, not a dark skin in sight. LOL. Just how I like them. I ts just my dna-light skin turns me on.
Anyone notice all those who partake in songkran are Dark skin types. Only white skin are the HOOLIGANS!Huh, IMO and that of a Japanese expat and Bangkok most of Thaniya girls are Isaan Nana style in Japan dress style. One needs to learn how to differentiate whitening powder / cream from non whiteners.
It might do you a whole lot of good to get out of Thailand for a few months. You really don't appreciaate what you got.No Harold, I really appreciate what we had here. I do get out of the country and find that does not really make the P4P scene here any more attractive. Hell, P4P in almost all places in Asia is a shadow of what it was 10 years ago. Cambo is another example. I certainly would not move here for the P4P now. There are so many other great things about living in Thailand though and those are what keep me here. Hey, it is great to go have an oily a few times a month, but the scene is just not that fun.
No Harold, I really appreciate what we had here. I do get out of the country and find that does not really make the P4P scene here any more attractive. Hell, P4P in almost all places in Asia is a shadow of what it was 10 years ago. Cambo is another example. I certainly would not move here for the P4P now. There are so many other great things about living in Thailand though and those are what keep me here. Hey, it is great to go have an oily a few times a month, but the scene is just not that fun.Why would anyone move to a place just for the P4P?
Paul Kausch
04-13-13, 23:39
Here is my report, and I really believe it should also be seen by BGK report people not "Annie's fanatics" only so that's why I post hereRight, the only people who read the Annie's thread are fanatics and the open minded people read the other threads. It does not take much intelligence to figure out we read all the threads. Duh. Notice that people who post reports do so on several different threads.
Guys who go to Annie's know it's run down; and anyone who reads the Annie's posts over the preceding few months will learn that is the case. Guys who go to MPs on a regular basis know on any given visit the pickings may be slim and going with a girl they're not familiar with is a crap shoot. However, if you read the Annie's thread over the past year, you'll see there are a number of girls there who get good to excellent reviews.
Your over the top rant appears to be a fanatic effort to disparage Annie's. And it is based on how many visits?
One?
Right.
I have no problem with people who post that number so and so was a starfish, that they found the facilities run down and the mamasan's personality was lacking. Likewise I have no problem when guys gush and wax on about Annie's amazing #24 as though she was a goddess. But when someone appear to have an ax to grind it calls the credibility of the report into question and makes me wonder about the person's real motivation, and who is his employer.
Why would anyone move to a place just for the P4P?A lot do. Look at the patrons of some bars in Pattaya, BKK. Their life is nothng else than sipping beer at 11am and make it through the day with some lady aside them. In some cases youwonder whether she is a bed partner or a nanny.
A lot do. Look at the patrons of some bars in Pattaya, BKK. Their life is nothng else than sipping beer at 11am and make it through the day with some lady aside them. In some cases youwonder whether she is a bed partner or a nanny.Ain't it the truth!
Such a sad spectacle to see some overweight expat propping up the end of some bar with a beer safety wired to his hand. When he finally staggers home it may be to some ex-BG hag. The lure of the P4P scene usually turns out to be fools gold.
no harold, i really appreciate what we had here. i do get out of the country and find that does not really make the p4p scene here any more attractive. hell, p4p in almost all places in asia is a shadow of what it was 10 years ago. cambo is another example. i certainly would not move here for the p4p now. there are so many other great things about living in thailand though and those are what keep me here. hey, it is great to go have an oily a few times a month, but the scene is just not that fun.cambo is a great example! but with the internet and cheap flights, not to mention every **** and his brother trekking there, it's nothing like it was. heck, a guy over 50 can't even marry a cambo woman any more. way to go, sexpats!
Mr Enternational
04-14-13, 07:32
Why would anyone move to a place just for the P4P?Ever been to Angeles City? Just ask some of the guys who live there. Because there isn't anything else there besides that to draw a person to live there.
GoodEnough
04-14-13, 10:44
Ever been to Angeles City? Just ask some of the guys who live there. Because there isn't anything else there besides that to draw a person to live there.I'm sure that most of us who have lived long-term as expatriates, have met the guys whose entire lives are spent glued to bar stools throughout most of the day and night, with intermittent interludes of chasing women. I can remember meeting similar groups all over SE Asia and Africa, and I'm sure had I spent time in South America, I would have met them there as well. This phenomenon isn't limited to P4P places like Angeles City or Pattaya; it also exists in major cities like Jakarta and HCM, Bangkok and Manila.
GE
Why would anyone move to a place just for the P4P?Lots of guys do, or at least they used to.
Franciscass
04-14-13, 12:25
Right, the only people who read the Annie's thread are fanatics and the open minded people read the other threads. It does not take much intelligence to figure out we read all the threads. Duh. Notice that people who post reports do so on several different threads.
Guys who go to Annie's know it's run down; and anyone who reads the Annie's posts over the preceding few months will learn that is the case. Guys who go to MPs on a regular basis know on any given visit the pickings may be slim and going with a girl they're not familiar with is a crap shoot. However, if you read the Annie's thread over the past year, you'll see there are a number of girls there who get good to excellent reviews.
Your over the top rant appears to be a fanatic effort to disparage Annie's. And it is based on how many visits?
One?
Right.
I have no problem with people who post that number so and so was a starfish, that they found the facilities run down and the mamasan's personality was lacking. Likewise I have no problem when guys gush and wax on about Annie's amazing #24 as though she was a goddess. But when someone appear to have an ax to grind it calls the credibility of the report into question and makes me wonder about the person's real motivation, and who is his employer.I've reread Ali's report and fail to see where it could call his credibility into question. How mant times do you have to visit a place to know what it is like. I thought he tried to be kind in his description of the service he got but he was disappointed and posted accordingly. This just is just another example of a coordinated concerted campaign by certain establishments to discourage negative reviews. They use the forum extensively to drum up interest by creating an image of high class talent in superior facilities when anybody with a modicum of awareness of the P4P scene in Bangkok knows this is far from the truth. Live and let live.
Last month first week of March 2 days in Bangkok and 2 days in Pattaya. Worth of penny. Bangkok I took 4 in two days. 2 thai 1 african 1 uzbek. All are good.
Service will differ. Best is thai. Uzbek and africa are equall. Thai are so knowledgeable in sex. The history speaks. Woh. Amazing BBBJ. DF. What else you name it they do and pleasure. Uzbek and africa is nice but more money minded. If you are not little stuborn they will starts new payment in between the seasons.
Looks; 7/10.
Service / 9/10.
Damage. That 1. 5k +.5 (little high but I loved I enjoyed so dosnt mind)
Damage. Uzben+afr. 2k +.2.
Thaliand amazing. Pleasureable. May be I am planning next trip soon to BKK and phuket. (any phuket ideas please,)
Can anyone tell me what else there is in Thailand that would make one want to live here-Besides the Issan light skin girls. I can't think of any. LOL.
Theres a reason why well rounded rich people are not coming here to retire in droves.I agree a thousand percent. Even with great sex I find that these days after 2 or 3 weeks I'm bored and want to be somewhere else.
SirWilliam4
04-15-13, 16:09
RE- older providers.
Yes they are more relaxed and are better at what they do than hot young chicks. The one thing they lack is the fantasy factor- only hot pretty girls can provide this and guys are willing to pay up for it. LOL.
At the massage parlour I frequent girls range in age from 20 to 30. There is so much difference in what an over 25 year old looks like compared to the younger ones. The older ones just don't excite guys. They usually are the ones taken after the young ones are gone.
I've even tried a few late 20s girls and while they are ok, they don't provide the sizzle. The eyes are wrinkly, ass not as firm, etc.
Its a good thing we don't all like the same thing. Prices would be outrageous for that particular subset if we all did.Just to present another point of view, I'll start by saying that I'm most likely one of the older contributors here so that may help explain my views. In my experience over at least ten trips to BKK, Pattaya, and other locations my absolutely best experiences have been with older women. Just like in my business, experience is important, including "life experience". One of my current ATFs that I see regularly is 46. And she is absolutely incredible. If you didn't know her age, she could easily pass for 30ish. She's had two kids and she is still slim, trim, and firm in all the right places. Incredible woman.
And she is not an exception to my point. Several others in their late 30s and 40s have been delightful. With the younger ones. By that I mean under 25. I find it to be a hit or miss proposition, more often "miss". In general, they are just "doing a job" and there seems to be no connection. The older ones seem to genuinely enjoy the connection, which makes the entire experience so very much better.
Last month first week of March 2 days in Bangkok and 2 days in Pattaya. Worth of penny. Bangkok I took 4 in two days. 2 thai 1 african 1 uzbek. All are good.
Service will differ. Best is thai. Uzbek and africa are equall. Thai are so knowledgeable in sex. The history speaks. Woh. Amazing BBBJ. DF. What else you name it they do and pleasure. Uzbek and africa is nice but more money minded. If you are not little stuborn they will starts new payment in between the seasons.
Damage. Uzben+afr. 2k +.2.
Thaliand amazing. Pleasureable. May be I am planning next trip soon to BKK and phuket. (any phuket ideas please,) Guru3,
So, did you get laid in Pataya? Also where you get the usbek girl (in Bangkok)?
Thank you.
RE- older providers.
Yes they are more relaxed and are better at what they do than hot young chicks. The one thing they lack is the fantasy factor- only hot pretty girls can provide this and guys are willing to pay up for it. LOL.
At the massage parlour I frequent girls range in age from 20 to 30. There is so much difference in what an over 25 year old looks like compared to the younger ones. The older ones just don't excite guys. They usually are the ones taken after the young ones are gone.
I've even tried a few late 20s girls and while they are ok, they don't provide the sizzle. The eyes are wrinkly, ass not as firm, etc.
Its a good thing we don't all like the same thing. Prices would be outrageous for that particular subset if we all did.I find girls in their late 20s to have far better bodies (when it comes to Thai women) than the younger early 20 set. The early 20 gals look like 13 yr old choirboys to me for the most part. I like tits, a small waist, and a nice ass. We are all so different. I get very little sizzle from early 20s.
Just to present another point of view, I'll start by saying that I'm most likely one of the older contributors here so that may help explain my views. In my experience over at least ten trips to BKK, Pattaya, and other locations my absolutely best experiences have been with older women. Just like in my business, experience is important, including "life experience". One of my current ATFs that I see regularly is 46. And she is absolutely incredible. If you didn't know her age, she could easily pass for 30ish. She's had two kids and she is still slim, trim, and firm in all the right places. Incredible woman.
And she is not an exception to my point. Several others in their late 30s and 40s have been delightful. With the younger ones. By that I mean under 25. I find it to be a hit or miss proposition, more often "miss". In general, they are just "doing a job" and there seems to be no connection. The older ones seem to genuinely enjoy the connection, which makes the entire experience so very much better.Agree with all of the above. I actually have had a gal that is one year older than me. Had her first when she was 43, now she is 48. No kid, rock hard body, and unreal performer. Wants to come and come and come. Loves the act, loved cum, loves to have every one of her holes licked and reciprocates. I thought she was at most 32 and was so stunned I asked to see her I'd. Yep, most of the young 'uns are just going through the motions. If they do happen to enjoy the act it is in a hungry eat, horny f*ck sort of way. They really have very little passion and skill compared to their older counterparts.
In contrast, I find American women are far more switched on when they are in their early 20s. It has always amazed me how many Thai working girls who have had innumerable meters of penis up thier snatches know so little about sex and their own bodies. Most American chicks I have known have sussed out exactly what they like and are proficient with a pecker as well. Older Thai women can be as well, but they still don't seem to be the connoisseurs of sex most Western women are.
Mr Enternational
04-16-13, 00:44
Just to present another point of view, I'll start by saying that I'm most likely one of the older contributors here so that may help explain my views. In my experience over at least ten trips to BKK, Pattaya, and other locations my absolutely best experiences have been with older women. Several others in their late 30s and 40s have been delightful. With the younger ones. By that I mean under 25. I find it to be a hit or miss proposition, more often "miss". In general, they are just "doing a job" and there seems to be no connection. The older ones seem to genuinely enjoy the connection, which makes the entire experience so very much better.Man what are you talking about. I have this new chick that I met in the disco and she is 40 (same as me) and she rocked my fucking world. What I did was got her number and told her I would call her later. But that night I ended up going with some other chick who obviously wasn't worth remembering because I have the slightest idea who it was now. So I called her the next day and she came over about 8pm. When she came in I had the balcony door open. I was in my room drinking, but she took her clothes off and wanted to get straight down to business. When I tried to close the door she asked me why I was closing it. And talk about can take a good ass-pounding. She must have left about 9 the next morning. I almost cried when she went home. 1000 baht. She definitely won a permanent spot on my team.
Then there is my 50 year old school teacher. She comes over with those school teacher glasses all quiet and shy, but when she gets into the bed she is a beast. It appears most people on this board want to fuck the girl who is the youngest and the thinnest. Damn what kind of service they will get. What's the sense of having a Ferrari if it has a Fiat engine and it is going to cause you a lot of problems?
It appears most people on this board want to fuck the girl who is the youngest and the thinnest. Damn what kind of service they will get. What's the sense of having a Ferrari if it has a Fiat engine and it is going to cause you a lot of problems?Ain't it the truth. Must be dealing with middle school frustrations.
NeverGetsOld
04-16-13, 03:34
Keep in mind I live a little way out the P4P scene.
Fun factor off the charts, despite enormous negatives on paper below.
1. No blowjob.
2. Covered Sex.
3. 34 Y.O. psycho with tattoos.
To start, was sad and depressed over a deteriorating relationship and finally ready to make it rain bahts on a Thai hottie to cope but we all know that never really helps. Before a night of P4P, I make an all out mission to find another one, which is what I always do whenever I lose or have a fall out with a great girl.
Mission accomplished.
Smokkkking hot solid english speaking honey at my apartment at 8:15.
I'm in my cheesy t shirt. She is dressed to the nines dripping in jewelry.
Pretty bad girl face. Tongue Ring. Built and looks like Nicki Minaj. On a thai chick I kid you not. I later find out she kind of has a full body tattoo suit. On a Thai chick I kid you not. Now tattoos on American chicks are gross but Thai tattoos can be very sexy and hers were just right, plus it was first time I was with a girl that had tattoos everywhereee and to my delight it was hot. She used to work in tattoo shop.
The whole night was love / hate and started off horribly and almost lost her early several times. First, I make her wait a little too long in the "courtyard" My plan was to walk up hill and get a beer at night market bar near here. Get there and it is closed. Girl wants to drink and I can't think of where to go on the spot. Can't catch a taxi. Girl is very booshie (urban dictionary bro) and pissed off about many of things. I'm used to hot girls being pissed and thought I might be below her expectations. Finally get the girl playful and giggling and take BTS to Silom 25+25 (50 damage). No to 21 terminal. Hotel bars green light pops up but could get expensive. Stop in the Argentenian steakhouse next door and still don't really feel like fucking with those prices. Cabbagaes & Condoms green light pops up and make it over there. She likes it a lot and I make out real good. I already had dinner and chick just orders fried rice. We have Heinekens that are very surprisingly cheap despite pricey food. Very little damage (280). End of the night is quiet and she is taking too long in the Cabbages & Condom bathroom. I make bold move and go in the women's bathroom to try to kiss her and hopefully fuck her in a stall. She is mortified."Can't do that in Thailand" bla bla bla. Also very mad they took her Heineken away bla bla bla. Unpleasant walk out the restaurant and my attempts at drinking in my room were shot down. Bipolar girl is angry again and about to call it a night again and throws out something like we can have sex for money. Ohhhhhhhhhh it's like to that now. Welcome to Thailand motherfucker. Girl is hottt and I really want to fuck her and just quickly agree when she says 2000 baht all night. Now I could've probably got that down but that is far from sexy and I think I may be able negotiate with my dick and charm on this one which is exactly what I wound up doing later.
Girl is hottt, so I'm popping male enhancement like crazy. Before we meet I pop a pill. In restaurant bathroom and another and 2 more in room later. 400 mg (new record) and no heart attack. Get her Heinekens at 7-11 (250 damage). Back to room, still takes work to fuck her but when I do, I fuck her silly. Make her cum 4 times and finally bust on her. Some good kissing, little missionary & cowgirl, followed by lots and lots and lots of doggie on a big, beautiful tatted up ass. Oral should be mandatory but I'm just going to let it slide this time and having fun. Her bad attitude is erased. Starts talking like a baby. Thinks I'm cute. Fall asleep in her arms. I wake up in a few hours and she is still up, very cranky she did not sleep and sniffling. She looks very tired and not up for the morning sex (dammit!) I'm awake and don't want her falling asleep now so try to wrap it up. She asks for money and says next time free (ughhhhhhh?) I say no blowjob, no morning sex in smoothest way possible but way differently. Then she just asks for taxi money. Even though the service was not great, I enjoyed the banter and gave her 1000 baht and I did agree to 2000 after all. At worst, I don't see her again and 1580 damage on a great night. At best many of under 500 baht (food / drink) potentially free long times with a hottie in the future and think that I will at least once. She is also considering an apartment in my area in the future which would also be a dream.
Innocent girls, model girls, milfs, spinners all great but I just love that sexy bad girl, pin up look. My favorite. Had that look from a gangsta Mexicana chick in South Texas and a Dominicana in Curacao. Great fucking look. Really gets me going.
Member #4414
04-16-13, 09:56
"Can't do that in Thailand" bla bla bla.Got the same from a past GF / Long Term Rental / Whatever people wish to call the arrangement, on an overnight sleeper train up to Bangkok from Surrathani years ago. Making notes of her concerns and then making a few arrangements such as ensuring that the curtain wouldn't be blown open by the ceiling fan in mid plunge, I then proceeded to bust a load in her snatch on the lower bunk not long after the beds had been made up and people closed their curtains. Being jolted around by the motion of the train added a bit of variety, too. No exactly classy and sophisticated I know, but my saddle bags were wailing to unload and I couldn't wait till Bangkok.
Chris Peterson
04-16-13, 23:47
True Story from 4 years ago: Sorry it's long overdue but I wasn't on this forum, I was using Pattaya Addicts and have since switched to ISG as I've expanded my travels beyond Thailand and also had issues becoming a trusted member with PA.
Spent about 3 months in Thailand, mostly in Bangkok, and always bragged I could spot a lady boy and never be fooled because regardless of surgery, even shaved adam's apple, you can tell a dude by the shape of the face.
Well, towards the end of the stay in Thailand, I was in Nana Plaza at one of the go go bars filled with girls, not lady boys. My my experiences mongering in SE Asia to date, my best have always been with girls, whether FL or bar girls or go go bar girls, who come on to you. My friend would always choose the hottest chick in the place and would always complain the next day about service whereas I would get my brains fcked out because I'd take the girl home that would approach me and shared some chemistry with. As I'm sitting there in a pretty dark go go bar in Nana Plaza, one of the "girls" comes straight to me, jumps in my lamp and starts making really vulgur sounds and talking dirty to me. At first I'm thinking, ok here we go, this is a winner, she's going to be a champion in the sack, not a cold fish. Then I'm thinking, despite the tits, pretty face, and tight little body, this kinda looks like a lady boy. So she's trying to get me to BF her. The go go bar is rotating sets of of girls on stage, and they are only wearing g strings, so tell her that I want to watch her dance first and ask her when she is going on stage (so I check to see if she's got a package or not). She goes on stage with the next round, and everything looks kosher. I'm relieved and BF, and just broke my one and only rule, when in doubt, don't take out. We leave, head get a cab back to my hotel and pretty much when the cab door closes and I'm seeing her in the light outside the club, sure she's a lady boy, if for no other reason that I no longer find her attractive at all, and want nothing to do with her. But I don't know what to do at this point except find out for sure. We get to my hotel room, she tries to go for my dick, I stop her and I'm like take off your clothes. She won't take off anything below the waste. I insist and she's not having it saying she's shy. Bull shit, I've already banged dozens of girls in Thailand and SE Asia, even the shy ones will get naked and lay back and take it missionary like a cold fish. So I just straight up say Thank you, I'm not interested, here's your money (we agreed on like 1500 baht I think but it was awhile ago) , just go. She took the money and was like "You want me to leave?" and seemed really surprised. I had to confirm several times and she (he) left with my money. I know other board members would have kicked her (him) out with no $$, but honestly, I was freaked out enough that it was worth paying him to leave, and have the whole thing over with. When she left I felt like I dodged a bullet (no blowjob, no handjob, I can say I've never hooked up with a dude). I headed straight to Pattaya and it took me several nights before I wasn't second guessing any of my decisions again. If you don't want to hook up with a lady boy, its easy, just stick to my rule: If there is any doubt, find someone else, it's Thailand, you can't throw a rock without hitting some young thai girl that wants to fck you for $$.
Theres a reason why well rounded rich people are not coming here to retire in droves.Unfortunately they are. The 50km of coast from Cha-Am to Hua Hin to Pranburi is packed stiff with them, mainly northern Europeans. That's probably the biggest area now but you see the same thing all around Pattaya, Chiangmai, and even (unbelievably) Udon Thani.
Tony Hoeprano
04-17-13, 06:37
True Story from 4 years ago: Sorry it's long overdue but I wasn't on this forum, I was using Pattaya Addicts and have since switched to ISG as I've expanded my travels beyond Thailand and also had issues becoming a trusted member with PA.
Spent about 3 months in Thailand, mostly in Bangkok, and always bragged I could spot a lady boy and never be fooled because regardless of surgery, even shaved adam's apple, you can tell a dude by the shape of the face.
Well, towards the end of the stay in Thailand, I was in Nana Plaza at one of the go go bars filled with girls, not lady boys. My my experiences mongering in SE Asia to date, my best have always been with girls, whether FL or bar girls or go go bar girls, who come on to you. My friend would always choose the hottest chick in the place and would always complain the next day about service whereas I would get my brains fcked out because I'd take the girl home that would approach me and shared some chemistry with. As I'm sitting there in a pretty dark go go bar in Nana Plaza, one of the "girls" comes straight to me, jumps in my lamp and starts making really vulgur sounds and talking dirty to me. At first I'm thinking, ok here we go, this is a winner, she's going to be a champion in the sack, not a cold fish. Then I'm thinking, despite the tits, pretty face, and tight little body, this kinda looks like a lady boy. So she's trying to get me to BF her. The go go bar is rotating sets of of girls on stage, and they are only wearing g strings, so tell her that I want to watch her dance first and ask her when she is going on stage (so I check to see if she's got a package or not). She goes on stage with the next round, and everything looks kosher. I'm relieved and BF, and just broke my one and only rule, when in doubt, don't take out. We leave, head get a cab back to my hotel and pretty much when the cab door closes and I'm seeing her in the light outside the club, sure she's a lady boy, if for no other reason that I no longer find her attractive at all, and want nothing to do with her. But I don't know what to do at this point except find out for sure. We get to my hotel room, she tries to go for my dick, I stop her and I'm like take off your clothes. She won't take off anything below the waste. I insist and she's not having it saying she's shy. Bull shit, I've already banged dozens of girls in Thailand and SE Asia, even the shy ones will get naked and lay back and take it missionary like a cold fish. So I just straight up say Thank you, I'm not interested, here's your money (we agreed on like 1500 baht I think but it was awhile ago) , just go. She took the money and was like "You want me to leave?" and seemed really surprised. I had to confirm several times and she (he) left with my money. I know other board members would have kicked her (him) out with no $$, but honestly, I was freaked out enough that it was worth paying him to leave, and have the whole thing over with. When she left I felt like I dodged a bullet (no blowjob, no handjob, I can say I've never hooked up with a dude). I headed straight to Pattaya and it took me several nights before I wasn't second guessing any of my decisions again. If you don't want to hook up with a lady boy, its easy, just stick to my rule: If there is any doubt, find someone else, it's Thailand, you can't throw a rock without hitting some young thai girl that wants to fck you for $$.It seems to me like you threw caution to the wind and barfined her (him) , hoping she was actually a girl. Next time just ask them, most will fess up. Having said that, it was a noble gesture of you to pay the fee for nothing, at the very least you should have gotten a BJ out of it, I hear they give the best head hahhaha.
Just kidding.
It seems to me like you threw caution to the wind and barfined her (him) , hoping she was actually a girl. Next time just ask them, most will fess up. Having said that, it was a noble gesture of you to pay the fee for nothing, at the very least you should have gotten a BJ out of it, I hear they give the best head hahhaha.
Just kidding.Exactly right-and if you ask them if they are or are not and the deny.
Then you just send them back without payment just because they tried to trick you.
2 years ago, i posted a newbie guide on this same forum, and as i've had way more experiences in bkk since, i thought i would update it.
introduction 1: i'm a 35-year-old european guy, who has been travelling to bkk for short time stays in the last 3 years, and is now living in the los. i read more than ipost, but i read a lot (i'm on the forum everyday). when i posted my previous 'guide', it was the result of a few short stays in the city, and i made some mistakes. giotto, in particular, was nice enough to correct them.
introduction 2: this guide is intended for newbies only. i know that there's much more to experience in bkk than what i'm going to recommend. i know that it's possible to top some (many?) of my recommendations. my intention only is to give some pointers to someone who's in bkk for a few days and for the first time. of course, if you get to enjoy the city for a longer amount of time, you'll have a chance to discover other and probably better options.
introduction 3: i'm sorry in advance for the writing quality of what is about to follow, as english is not my native language.
ok, so here we go.
general tips
1. you can (and should) get anywhere using the skytrain (bts) : rush hour in bkk (7am until. 9pm!) is so bad that you will want to avoid being stuck in traffic. when looking for a hotel, definitely choose one that's walking distance to the bts, in the 'prime sukumvit' area. that's chitlom until ekamai (type bangkok bts map on google if you don't know what i'm talking about). the heart of the mongering action is going to be at nana, asoke and phrom pong. 80% of the places you heard about or read about on this forum are walking distance to one of theses bts stations.
2. look for online maps: it's very easy to get lost in bkk. and at the same time, most massage / go go places are very close to one another. again, type the search in google, it'll help you out a lot.
3. learn how the street names work: if you follow rule number 1, you will stay close to sukumvit. that's a huge bvd dividing the city in two. north of it are odd numbers. south of it are even numbers. so if you're trying to get to sukumvit soi 7 (soi = street) , you're going to want to go to a street north of the bvd and perpendicular to it.
4. choose your hotel: there are hundreds of hotels in that area. you can find a hotel for less than 1000 bath (25 euros) a night to over 6000 baths (150 euros) a night. i used to stay at the phachara suites, which is bynana bts, and is a service apartment hotel with prices going from 2000 bath to 3200 baths.
mongering tips.
1. go go bars: go go bars are places that are open from 7pm to 2am where 10 to 80 girls dance on stage. entrance is free but you're expected to get a 70 (happy hour).150 baths drink (depending on the place and the time you go). it's a great way to start if you're a newbie in bkk for many reasons: axxxxxx / time: you can order a drink, sit back and relax, no one is going to be very pushy bxxxxxx / looks: if you've been to 3 go go bars, you've seen about 100 thai girls, and you can have a sense of what thai hookers look like, and what particular style does if for you. this will be helpful later on when you're picking up a girl in a massage place, because you will know the hotness level you can expect and be able to make the right choice of girl with less time to make it cxxxxxx / choice: the go go bars are in 3 separate areas in the city (see below) but in each area, there at 12 to 30 bars. don't spend an hour in one bar. just go from one to the other, have a drink in each one, and leave when your beer's empty. only stay if you really like a girl that's in the particular bar you're in dxxxxx / mood: i found it a good way to get the mood of the city, chatting with tourists, mamasans, and random girls during their dancing breaks (who by the way are used to having a guy flirt with them for 15mn and leave it there, so take your time!)
once you did find your dream girl, tell the mamasan (you will know who) , she will have the girl sit with you for a chat. you pay a ladydrink (150 bath) , and have some time to decide if you want to go for her or send her back dancing. if you choose to 'take her', you have to pay the barfine (600 bath) and then you have two options. spend 1 hour with her in a room nearby (usually right above the bar) or take her out for part of or the entire night. in addition to the barfine. 1 hour will cost 300 bath for the room (if you prefer not to take her to your hotel) + about 2000 bath for the girl. that's one pop. long time will cost from 3000 to 4000 bath and you can keep the girl until the next morning around noon. multiple pops aloud. be aware that prices can be more expensive if you look like an unexperienced tourist, that what i'm stating is the maximum you should be willing to pay.
there are 3 places with go go bars in bkk, and each place has many of them.
a. patpong (not in the prime sukumvit are bts sala deng) : 2 parallel streets with a night bazaar in the middle of them and bars, go go bars and ping pong shows (sexual show: go there once if it sounds fun to you, but not worth spending more than 45mn in there). patpong is the historical sexual center, thus looks old and run down. everyone looks sad, girls dance in bikini tops and shorts, i found it to be a bit depressing. if you have a chance to go to nana or soy cowboy, i wouldn't even bother going to patpong. if you do, only go to bada bing and pink panther.
b. soy cowboy: 1 street full of go go bars. about 20 different bars. 50% dance in bikini top and bottom. 30% topless and 20% fully naked. depends on the bar rather than on the girl, so take a quick look inside and leave if what you see is not your thing. best bars imo: baccara (probably the most famous go go in bkk 2 level with a glass floor allowing you to watch under the girl's skirt if you're on ground level a japanese favourite) , tillac and sharks.
c. nana square:. more bars than any other place (50% bikini. 25% topless. 25% fully nude. best bars imo: rainbow 4 (the biggest place, the 1st one to be crowed, but not my personal favourite) , spankys (not the best looking girls, but fun girls spank each other with some sort of plastic tube that doesn't hurt but that makes a hell of a noise. you can also spank them yourself, and even buy the tube. there's also a shower in the bar with 2-3 girls showering together and soaping each other up) , billboard (3 to 6 girls naked taking a batch in a huge jacuzzi with 20+ hot girls dancing on stage) and angel witch (hard rock music and lots of sexual shows).
watch out for the ladyboy go go bars. the information is somewhere on the web (can't recall where) but it's actually quite easy not to be mistaken: if a girl you pass by is very tall and very aggressive with you, groping you and stuff, it's probably a boy. if a go go bar is very empty and the girls wear shorts, just leave.
2. massage places.
a sex : i'll make it easy for you: the most popular ones are cherry, mango and ez (again, imo). they are all right at phrom pong bts, and all have websites. make your selection online, call ahead if you want and go for it. you will pay from 2000 to 3000 bath all inclusive, depending on what you ask for, how long you want to girl for and if it's an incall or an outcall.
b soapie: you have to try a soapie at least once in your life. they are a few (but not a lot) places offering soapie. the most famous one and to my knowledge the only one in the prime sukumvit area is annies. there's a dedicated thread on the forum just for that place. 2500 all inclusive for 90mn. bts nana. it's a bit run down, some people don't like it, but just read the thread and decide if it's your thing.
c- blow jobs : 3 places in the prime sukumvit area: dr bj (bts nana, soi 7/1) , [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) (bts nana, soi 8) , lollipop (bts asoke or nana, soi 10).800 bath for a blowjob. the girls are way less attractive than in any place mentioned before (and most of them a quite ugly) , but if they were better looking, they would do more than just give blowjobs all day. some of them are quite good at it, some of them are just plain mechanical. it's a hit or miss. i find it to be a good place to start with when you go out, so that you're not fully loaded and thus more patient in choosing the right girl in places where you will pay and expect more.
d freelancers: you will find a lot in the areas mentioned above. it'll cost you from 1000 bath to 3000 baths, but people who live here don't usually pay more than 2000 bath. you can find them everywhere. in case you want to find them in clubs, go to soi 11 (nana bts) , a street with 5 clubs and 20+ bars. climax is an all freelance place (a lot of go go girls who didn't find a farang before 2am go there) , bash is the next best thing for mongering only. you will find better looking but more expensive freelancers at levels, bed superclub and q bar (all in the same street) that welcome a majority of expacts. you can also just party and have a good time.
3. everything else!
there are so many areas and options i did not mention, but again, it's a guide intended to newbies with no idea about the city and very little time to monger. please feel free to correct me or to add anything to this post. i'm sure long time mongers will have different opinions. i'm only posting this because i would have loved to find something like this when i first came to bkk i hope it'll help some people out. pm me if you want to hang out or if you want a private tour of the action. i'm usually free and mongering on mondays and wednesdays.
enjoy!
Why would anyone move to a place just for the P4P?The lure of easy inexpensive sex is a powerful drug. But it won't sustain you for many years. You have to develop other interests. I live in Bangkok for most of the year and have done so for about 5 years now. I know a lot of guys who have been burnt out by the sex and then just sort of go into a deep funk because they never thought they would get tired of it. That is Fool's Gold. Almost everybody gets tired of it after a while if taken in large doses. Like most things in life you need balance. My goal as a retiree was as much as possible to recreate the things I liked back home. Ie movies, reading, friends, music, exercising. But add to that occasional sex, a night out hitting the bars and some traveling around Asia. So far so good. I really enjoy my life in Bangkok. That may end some day but more likely than not it will just be aging that may change everything. I am back home now visiting family and I see lots of guys around my age, no longer working, hanging around their home without much to do, never getting laid. And I wonder why anyone would want to live anywhere else but Thailand.
The lure of easy inexpensive sex is a powerful drug. But it won't sustain you for many years. You have to develop other interests. I live in Bangkok for most of the year and have done so for about 5 years now. I know a lot of guys who have been burnt out by the sex and then just sort of go into a deep funk because they never thought they would get tired of it. That is Fool's Gold. Almost everybody gets tired of it after a while if taken in large doses. Like most things in life you need balance. My goal as a retiree was as much as possible to recreate the things I liked back home. Ie movies, reading, friends, music, exercising. But add to that occasional sex, a night out hitting the bars and some traveling around Asia. So far so good. I really enjoy my life in Bangkok. That may end some day but more likely than not it will just be aging that may change everything. I am back home now visiting family and I see lots of guys around my age, no longer working, hanging around their home without much to do, never getting laid. And I wonder why anyone would want to live anywhere else but Thailand.Great comments and I totally agree.
IamJohnGalt
04-18-13, 01:27
The lure of easy inexpensive sex is a powerful drug. So far so good. I really enjoy my life in Bangkok. . And I wonder why anyone would want to live anywhere else but Thailand.Thanks for your view from Bangkok.
Would you mind sharing more about what you enjoy doing in Bangkok and the LOS, outside of enjoying the ladies?
I'm looking for a pleasant place to spend 3 years or more and Bangkok / LOS is one possibility I'd like to know more about.
IamJohnGalt
Chris Long
04-18-13, 02:05
2 years ago, I posted a newbie guide on this same forum, and as I've had way more experiences in BKK since, I thought I would update it.
Introduction 1: I'm a 35-year-old European guy, who has been travelling to BKK for short time stays...This is great information I will be making my first trip to BKK in June and this is the sort of information I need.
Question my flight will not arrive until 1:10 am in the morning and I am staying at a hotel that is in Nana, as a first timer there where would I be able to find a girl for boom boom that late at night. Also where will be the best place for me to exchange my money at that time of night. Will there still be taxis at the airport at that time of night.
Thanks,
Chris
Paul Kausch
04-18-13, 02:14
Unfortunately they are. The 50km of coast from Cha-Am to Hua Hin to Pranburi is packed stiff with them, mainly northern Europeans. That's probably the biggest area now but you see the same thing all around Pattaya, Chiangmai, and even (unbelievably) Udon Thani.What's wrong with affluent, well-rounded people retiring in Thailand? Hua Hin is on my short list of retirement locations, or at least a second retirement home.
NeverGetsOld
04-18-13, 03:33
Last night was too wild and would not expect anyone to believe it.
Back to square 1. My 2 recent freebies are cut because they are not attractive. My girlfriend who I came to Bangkok for (knew I had a good city and p4p to fall back on) is away with customer on island for 4 days and caught her in lies. Very hurtful and her stock drops a lot. Hottie last night is really not about getting to know me better.
Thought I wouldn't all year, but jerk off for the first time in Thailand and just going to take it easy for the day, when by luck I get a really sex receptionist girl at my apartment 9:45. Cold as ice. Not 1 smile but wants to go right to room. Is texting a lot and asks me if I have good job.
Awkward attempt into sex. Girl does not want to kiss, no blow job, but start to fuck her. Pussy pierced, she is a freak but "normal girl" wants me to cum soon? Flip it over and wowwww Maybe the best ass in Asia. 1 in a 30 million ass. I am in heaven. Destroying it. She is gushing and taking all I can give and wants more but also to finish. Never fucked so vigorously and must have lost 3 pounds in the 20 minutes we fucked when out the blue my girlfriend returns unannounced with food in hand that she always brings me. Like a buffoon I forgot to lock my door. Although she would've heard the moaning anyway, she opens door and sees the act. All 3 of us with deer in headlights face. Girlfriend leaves and I'm not going to catch her. Super ass acts mad that I have girlfriend but wanted to end sex anyway. I don't get to finish and she walks out the door. Talk about huge disappointment. At least she didn't ask me for money.
I run / walk fast up street in hopes of seeing girlfriend and go to night market for food or maybe see girlfriend. Order sushi to go when I turn around and the girl I was just fucking 5 minutes ago is actually at table with 2 farang. That's why she was rushing and texting. She made a call in my room as she left. Think the playgirl, gold diggers hunts farang guys at places like Sukhumvit 11 and probably has played many. She mentioned she has a condo near me but also before that she lived in a different part of Bangkok before? She might get paid. The girl leaves those guys too and I chase after her but she does not want anything to do with me? I walk home with blue balls and a great girl who I will probably lose, even though she caught me cheating twice before, including bloody sheets at The Dawin hotel. This time is different. Burning through girls and will probably be spending many of days jerking off soon in budget mode unless I can keep it up. Super ass I pounded for free was so good, I'm going to try and get on some type of p4p arrangement with it but don't even think she will do that. Just a strange, viciously ice cold chick. But I will never forget that super Asian ass. Things are bad with the girlfriend (spent over 200 hours with her). Doubt she will meet me today and I am going to be dumb and go to her gogo bar tonight. Should be interesting. Stay tuned.
Romannico:
What kind of place is this new late night club like? Your previous comment on BASH was cryptic and left me puzzled as to what kind of place it is. Is it filled with only freelancers, or, is it totally opposite, with no freelancers?
Tony Hoeprano
04-18-13, 10:12
Come on guys patronize the businesses the DR BJ's soi are in.
Seems a few of them are going out of business! I made a trip to one of the bars there during the day after doing a lot of walking around I hit Subway but needed a place to drink a quick brewskie other than having to drink at Subway lol.. No customers there at the time and the lady said business was bad, not many customers. I asked if it was like this only at night, but she said it was like this at night too. Hope they survive, they seemed like good people, but there didn't seem to a compelling reason to go there again
Romannico:
What kind of place is this new late night club like? Your previous comment on BASH was cryptic and left me puzzled as to what kind of place it is. Is it filled with only freelancers, or, is it totally opposite, with no freelancers?Bash is with Climax the only club on soi 11 that stays open after 3am. Bed Superclub, Qbar and Levels all close at 3. 30 at the latest.
As a result, a lot of expats and tourists (not only sex tourists) will go to Bash late if they want to keep partying. However. 90% of the girls at Bash are thai, and IMO freelancers.
The club being a year old or so, it's in much better shape than Climax. I would say that it's like Climax, but classier. And more expensive (400 bath entry fee that gets you 2 drinks)
This is great information I will be making my first trip to BKK in June and this is the sort of information I need.
Question my flight will not arrive until 1:10 am in the morning and I am staying at a hotel that is in Nana, as a first timer there where would I be able to find a girl for boom boom that late at night. Also where will be the best place for me to exchange my money at that time of night. Will there still be taxis at the airport at that time of night.
Thanks,
ChrisYou will have not trouble finding a cab at the airport. It'll take you about 60mn to get out of the airport at that time (luggage, customs.) and a 20 to 30mn drive to your hotel. This means that you will probably be ready to score around 3am. If you get to the city during the weekend, you will have more options than if it's a weekday (lots of places stay open later during the weekend).
Staying in the Nana area, I would recommend you give soi 11 and soi 4 a try.
Soi 11: Climax and Bash will probably still be open, and packed with freelancers (hundreds!). You'll also run into freelancers on the way there.
Soi 4: NEP (Nana Entertainement Plaza with all the go go bars) will be closed, but Hillary 4 will probably still be open. It's a bar with live music, pool and only freelancers. Lots of freelancers to be found directly on the street as well (watch out for LB!)
As for money, just change what you need for the 1st night directly at the airport. During the day, you can change money everywhere in BKK.
Mr Enternational
04-18-13, 10:45
Question my flight will not arrive until 1:10 am in the morning and I am staying at a hotel that is in Nana, as a first timer there where would I be able to find a girl for boom boom that late at night.Parking lot of the Nana Hotel.
Also where will be the best place for me to exchange my money at that time of night.Front desk of the Nana Hotel, but of course you would have had to pay the taxi already so you might want to change some money at the airport.
Will there still be taxis at the airport at that time of night.There are always taxis at the airport. Just go to the top floor departures, walk outside, then walk across to the median and pick one. Make them run the meter. You will have to pay the tolls. Total should be about 300 baht.
In 1 year the yen declined 25. Thats a lot. It took USA dollar 10 years to fall that much to where it is today.
It surely has affected how I spend my money on the girls. I don't spend as much as I used to. LOL. I got the money but its the value thing all over again. Money does matter.
I wonder if the girls who specialize in ippuns will be affected? They have to be, I wonder if to the point where some girls will open their vaginas to the farang. LOL.True that. I am sure the falling yen will effect the Japanese. Of course none of us will have any luck trying to explain this to the gals."Sorry honey, prices are down, pay attention to the exchange rate!" LOL
The lure of easy inexpensive sex is a powerful drug. But it won't sustain you for many years. You have to develop other interests. I live in Bangkok for most of the year and have done so for about 5 years now. I know a lot of guys who have been burnt out by the sex and then just sort of go into a deep funk because they never thought they would get tired of it. That is Fool's Gold. Almost everybody gets tired of it after a while if taken in large doses. Like most things in life you need balance. My goal as a retiree was as much as possible to recreate the things I liked back home. Ie movies, reading, friends, music, exercising. But add to that occasional sex, a night out hitting the bars and some traveling around Asia. So far so good. I really enjoy my life in Bangkok. That may end some day but more likely than not it will just be aging that may change everything. I am back home now visiting family and I see lots of guys around my age, no longer working, hanging around their home without much to do, never getting laid. And I wonder why anyone would want to live anywhere else but Thailand.Good advise. After years of living in South America I arrived in BKK five months ago. I've knocked around a bit, tasted Chiang Mai and Pattaya (as well as Hanoi). Tomorrow I sign a year's lease in BKK. I can't think of many reasons not to.
Member #4698
04-18-13, 13:25
I am sure the falling yen will effect the Japanese. Of course none of us will have any luck trying to explain this to the gals."Sorry honey, prices are down, pay attention to the exchange rate!" LOLYes, but less demand for their services will affect the girls behavior towards the shrinking pool of existing customers. It should get better. I just spent 4 weeks in LOS as part of a 6 week tour through South East Asia. I found the girls were more friendly and outgoing than I can remember in the last 7 or 8 years. Prices are not down, but If you have the money, now is a great time to do Thailand and the Philippines. Take my word for it. I will post a trip report as soon as I can get my shit together.
On my last trip to Thailand before this one in late October 2012, 2980 bht = $100.
When I started my trip on Feb 22 2013, 2940 bht = $100.
By the time I left Thailand on April 13 2013, 2880 bht = $100.
come on guys patronize the businesses the dr bj's soi are in.
seems a few of them are going out of business!interesting soi but it doesn't do much for me. dr. bj seems a nice fella and i'd like to help out, but his girls just aren't up to snuff looks wise. and, i'm not picky. i hit [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s and som's place regularly. the looks talent in those two places can be hit and miss, but there are some diamonds in the rough in both places. som's place, in particular, runs hot and cold, but i like the place anyway.
i honestly think dr. bj's soi is just too "open and bright". [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s, lollipops and som's haven are more secluded, and inviting. maybe that's just me, but i doubt if i'm alone on that score.
Here is a list.
Anyone know of others?
http://www.sukhumvit-entertainment.com/bangkok-bars/bj-bars/
bash is with climax the only club on soi 11 that stays open after 3am. bed superclub, qbar and levels all close at 3. 30 at the latest.
as a result, a lot of expats and tourists (not only sex tourists) will go to bash late if they want to keep partying. however. 90% of the girls at bash are thai, and imo freelancers.
the club being a year old or so, it's in much better shape than climax. i would say that it's like climax, but classier. and more expensive (400 bath entry fee that gets you 2 drinks)
2 years ago, i posted a newbie guide on this same forum, and as i've had way more experiences in bkk since, i thought i would update it.
introduction 1: i'm a 35-year-old european guy, who has been travelling to bkk for short time stays in the last 3 years, and is now living in the los. i read more than ipost, but i read a lot (i'm on the forum everyday). when i posted my previous 'guide', it was the result of a few short stays in the city, and i made some mistakes. giotto, in particular, was nice enough to correct them.
introduction 2: this guide is intended for newbies only. i know that there's much more to experience in bkk than what i'm going to recommend. i know that it's possible to top some (many?) of my recommendations. my intention only is to give some pointers to someone who's in bkk for a few days and for the first time. of course, if you get to enjoy the city for a longer amount of time, you'll have a chance to discover other and probably better options.
introduction 3: i'm sorry in advance for the writing quality of what is about to follow, as english is not my native language.
ok, so here we go.
general tips
1. you can (and should) get anywhere using the skytrain (bts) : rush hour in bkk (7am until. 9pm!) is so bad that you will want to avoid being stuck in traffic. when looking for a hotel, definitely choose one that's walking distance to the bts, in the 'prime sukumvit' area. that's chitlom until ekamai (type bangkok bts map on google if you don't know what i'm talking about). the heart of the mongering action is going to be at nana, asoke and phrom pong. 80% of the places you heard about or read about on this forum are walking distance to one of theses bts stations.
2. look for online maps: it's very easy to get lost in bkk. and at the same time, most massage / go go places are very close to one another. again, type the search in google, it'll help you out a lot.
3. learn how the street names work: if you follow rule number 1, you will stay close to sukumvit. that's a huge bvd dividing the city in two. north of it are odd numbers. south of it are even numbers. so if you're trying to get to sukumvit soi 7 (soi = street) , you're going to want to go to a street north of the bvd and perpendicular to it.
4. choose your hotel: there are hundreds of hotels in that area. you can find a hotel for less than 1000 bath (25 euros) a night to over 6000 baths (150 euros) a night. i used to stay at the phachara suites, which is bynana bts, and is a service apartment hotel with prices going from 2000 bath to 3200 baths.
mongering tips.
1. go go bars: go go bars are places that are open from 7pm to 2am where 10 to 80 girls dance on stage. entrance is free but you're expected to get a 70 (happy hour).150 baths drink (depending on the place and the time you go). it's a great way to start if you're a newbie in bkk for many reasons: axxxxxx / time: you can order a drink, sit back and relax, no one is going to be very pushy bxxxxxx / looks: if you've been to 3 go go bars, you've seen about 100 thai girls, and you can have a sense of what thai hookers look like, and what particular style does if for you. this will be helpful later on when you're picking up a girl in a massage place, because you will know the hotness level you can expect and be able to make the right choice of girl with less time to make it cxxxxxx / choice: the go go bars are in 3 separate areas in the city (see below) but in each area, there at 12 to 30 bars. don't spend an hour in one bar. just go from one to the other, have a drink in each one, and leave when your beer's empty. only stay if you really like a girl that's in the particular bar you're in dxxxxx / mood: i found it a good way to get the mood of the city, chatting with tourists, mamasans, and random girls during their dancing breaks (who by the way are used to having a guy flirt with them for 15mn and leave it there, so take your time!)
once you did find your dream girl, tell the mamasan (you will know who) , she will have the girl sit with you for a chat. you pay a ladydrink (150 bath) , and have some time to decide if you want to go for her or send her back dancing. if you choose to 'take her', you have to pay the barfine (600 bath) and then you have two options. spend 1 hour with her in a room nearby (usually right above the bar) or take her out for part of or the entire night. in addition to the barfine. 1 hour will cost 300 bath for the room (if you prefer not to take her to your hotel) + about 2000 bath for the girl. that's one pop. long time will cost from 3000 to 4000 bath and you can keep the girl until the next morning around noon. multiple pops aloud. be aware that prices can be more expensive if you look like an unexperienced tourist, that what i'm stating is the maximum you should be willing to pay.
there are 3 places with go go bars in bkk, and each place has many of them.
a. patpong (not in the prime sukumvit are bts sala deng) : 2 parallel streets with a night bazaar in the middle of them and bars, go go bars and ping pong shows (sexual show: go there once if it sounds fun to you, but not worth spending more than 45mn in there). patpong is the historical sexual center, thus looks old and run down. everyone looks sad, girls dance in bikini tops and shorts, i found it to be a bit depressing. if you have a chance to go to nana or soy cowboy, i wouldn't even bother going to patpong. if you do, only go to bada bing and pink panther.
b. soy cowboy: 1 street full of go go bars. about 20 different bars. 50% dance in bikini top and bottom. 30% topless and 20% fully naked. depends on the bar rather than on the girl, so take a quick look inside and leave if what you see is not your thing. best bars imo: baccara (probably the most famous go go in bkk 2 level with a glass floor allowing you to watch under the girl's skirt if you're on ground level a japanese favourite) , tillac and sharks.
c. nana square:. more bars than any other place (50% bikini. 25% topless. 25% fully nude. best bars imo: rainbow 4 (the biggest place, the 1st one to be crowed, but not my personal favourite) , spankys (not the best looking girls, but fun girls spank each other with some sort of plastic tube that doesn't hurt but that makes a hell of a noise. you can also spank them yourself, and even buy the tube. there's also a shower in the bar with 2-3 girls showering together and soaping each other up) , billboard (3 to 6 girls naked taking a batch in a huge jacuzzi with 20+ hot girls dancing on stage) and angel witch (hard rock music and lots of sexual shows).
watch out for the ladyboy go go bars. the information is somewhere on the web (can't recall where) but it's actually quite easy not to be mistaken: if a girl you pass by is very tall and very aggressive with you, groping you and stuff, it's probably a boy. if a go go bar is very empty and the girls wear shorts, just leave.
2. massage places.
a sex : i'll make it easy for you: the most popular ones are cherry, mango and ez (again, imo). they are all right at phrom pong bts, and all have websites. make your selection online, call ahead if you want and go for it. you will pay from 2000 to 3000 bath all inclusive, depending on what you ask for, how long you want to girl for and if it's an incall or an outcall.
b soapie: you have to try a soapie at least once in your life. they are a few (but not a lot) places offering soapie. the most famous one and to my knowledge the only one in the prime sukumvit area is annies. there's a dedicated thread on the forum just for that place. 2500 all inclusive for 90mn. bts nana. it's a bit run down, some people don't like it, but just read the thread and decide if it's your thing.
c- blow jobs : 3 places in the prime sukumvit area: dr bj (bts nana, soi 7/1) , [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) (bts nana, soi 8) , lollipop (bts asoke or nana, soi 10).800 bath for a blowjob. the girls are way less attractive than in any place mentioned before (and most of them a quite ugly) , but if they were better looking, they would do more than just give blowjobs all day. some of them are quite good at it, some of them are just plain mechanical. it's a hit or miss. i find it to be a good place to start with when you go out, so that you're not fully loaded and thus more patient in choosing the right girl in places where you will pay and expect more.
d freelancers: you will find a lot in the areas mentioned above. it'll cost you from 1000 bath to 3000 baths, but people who live here don't usually pay more than 2000 bath. you can find them everywhere. in case you want to find them in clubs, go to soi 11 (nana bts) , a street with 5 clubs and 20+ bars. climax is an all freelance place (a lot of go go girls who didn't find a farang before 2am go there) , bash is the next best thing for mongering only. you will find better looking but more expensive freelancers at levels, bed superclub and q bar (all in the same street) that welcome a majority of expacts. you can also just party and have a good time.
3. everything else!
there are so many areas and options i did not mention, but again, it's a guide intended to newbies with no idea about the city and very little time to monger. please feel free to correct me or to add anything to this post. i'm sure long time mongers will have different opinions. i'm only posting this because i would have loved to find something like this when i first came to bkk i hope it'll help some people out. pm me if you want to hang out or if you want a private tour of the action. i'm usually free and mongering on mondays and wednesdays.
enjoy!going to bkk for 3 days in 2 weeks time. this guide is a lifesaver. tq
This guide is a lifesaver.I really feel for you.
Come on guys patronize the businesses the DR BJ's soi are in.
Seems a few of them are going out of business!. And I thought it was an upcoming neighborhood.
Bash is with Climax the only club on soi 11 that stays open after 3am. Bed Superclub, Qbar and Levels all close at 3. 30 at the latest.
As a result, a lot of expats and tourists (not only sex tourists) will go to Bash late if they want to keep partying. However. 90% of the girls at Bash are thai, and IMO freelancers.
The club being a year old or so, it's in much better shape than Climax. I would say that it's like Climax, but classier. And more expensive (400 bath entry fee that gets you 2 drinks) Thanks for the clarification. Have you been in BASH around 10 or 11 pm? If you have, how does it compare to Climax?
Linkwray666
04-19-13, 00:57
Come on guys patronize the businesses the DR BJ's soi are in.
Seems a few of them are going out of business!I will be happily spending some time and Baht on soi 7/1 in a few weeks. Headed to Eden for sure and most likely will pay multiple visits, will probably also check out Dr. BJ's if only to have a go at the lovely miss EE. Will probably end up getting a few massages on that soi also as it is convenient to my hotel location.
Which businesses are going under?
Thanks for the clarification. Have you been in BASH around 10 or 11 pm? If you have, how does it compare to Climax?I'm pretty sure that Bash does not open before midnight. I have never been there before 3am. Both clubs are almost across from each other on Soi 11 so it's easy to give both places a try.
Yes, but less demand for their services will affect the girls behavior towards the shrinking pool of existing customers. It should get better. I just spent 4 weeks in LOS as part of a 6 week tour through South East Asia. I found the girls were more friendly and outgoing than I can remember in the last 7 or 8 years. Prices are not down, but If you have the money, now is a great time to do Thailand and the Philippines. Take my word for it. I will post a trip report as soon as I can get my shit together.
On my last trip to Thailand before this one in late October 2012, 2980 bht = $100.
When I started my trip on Feb 22 2013, 2940 bht = $100.
By the time I left Thailand on April 13 2013, 2880 bht = $100.You might be right. I was in Thermae a couple of times over the last week and saw some girls who are usually exclusive to Asian dudes go with white guys.
interesting soi but it doesn't do much for me. dr. bj seems a nice fella and i'd like to help out, but his girls just aren't up to snuff looks wise. and, i'm not picky. i hit [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s and som's place regularly. the looks talent in those two places can be hit and miss, but there are some diamonds in the rough in both places. som's place, in particular, runs hot and cold, but i like the place anyway.
i honestly think dr. bj's soi is just too "open and bright". [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s, lollipops and som's haven are more secluded, and inviting. maybe that's just me, but i doubt if i'm alone on that score.i think that applies to all bj bars. several times over the last month, i have been feeling a bit revved up and thought i would head by for a bj. rode my motorbike by som's, lollipop, and [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s a few times, and to be honest just did not see one gal that i would pay (or not pay for that matter) for a bj. the gals were old, fat, and / or just plain unattractive. when i am getting blown i want to look down and think wow! ain't going to happen at those places.
i think that applies to all bj bars. several times over the last month, i have been feeling a bit revved up and thought i would head by for a bj. rode my motorbike by som's, lollipop, and [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s a few times, and to be honest just did not see one gal that i would pay (or not pay for that matter) for a bj. the gals were old, fat, and / or just plain unattractive. when i am getting blown i want to look down and think wow! ain't going to happen at those places.i have not seen it as that bad at those places. there were several girls in their 20's and not hags a few weeks ago.
but, it doesn't matter much to me if it is just bbbj. i am mostly looking at the top of their head.
i reported once before that one of the best bbbj i ever had was from a grandma who took out her false teeth before she blew.
no "toothy" action from that one.
Thanks for your view from Bangkok.
Would you mind sharing more about what you enjoy doing in Bangkok and the LOS, outside of enjoying the ladies?
I'm looking for a pleasant place to spend 3 years or more and Bangkok / LOS is one possibility I'd like to know more about.
IamJohnGaltBasically what I am trying to say is that pretty much everything I can do back home, I can do here. You like keeping up with certain tv shows. Download them the day after they have shown and watch them on tv. Want to read a book. Download it from Amazon to a reading device it or go to the branches of Kinokuniya and browse for an hour to find something you like. Movies? These days they often open in Bangkok on the same day they do in the states. Bangkok also has movie festivals going on all the time. Music. Bangkok has a lot to offer from jazz to classical to rock. Last year or the year before I saw Clapton and the Eagles perform in concert in the same week. Like relaxing at the beach? Thailand has lots of those. Or trekking around. Go up north. Like to hang out in airconditioned malls and drink coffee and do some girl watching. Bangkok has the best malls and the prettiest girls in them of any place I have ever been. I took up pool a few years ago. More pool tables than you can count and always a willing girl to let you look good. Snooker is around as well. I am not a golfer but I know there are tons of golf courses around with young girl caddies. Grocery stores may not be what they are back home but they are good enough. Lots of restaurants with food from pretty much everywhere. Again maybe not the best but good enough. Friendships are easy to find here. Most of us came for the girls so there is always a common ground to begin with. I like keeping up with current events. Easy. There is CNN and Fox but you can also download a lot of newshows off the Internet + Daily and Colbert + the Herald Tribune is easy to find. If you need a break from Thailand just hop an airplane and you are in Hong Kong or Singapore or KL in a few hours. Life is easy here. They make sure it is for ex-pats.
But what makes Thailand special for me is what I don't have back home. Warm weather all year round, an apartment house that has a lovely pool and a gym, being able within five minutes to go out at night and hang out with a friend or by myself, feeling safe nearly 100% of the time no matter where I go or at what time. And I have been told that girls are also available and easily accessible. But all this isn't enough for a lot of guys because at the end of the day it isn't home and most people want the familiarity they grew up with, their people, their customs, their way of doing things. You won't find that in Thailand. But for now that is ok with me.
NeverGetsOld
04-19-13, 05:20
Internet is down, can't correspond with my girls and go check out the nana freelancer scene at 6 a. M. Really pitiful, reminded of the crackhead pussy in atlantic city, new jersey. I pick up the closest thing resembling a girl using a freelancer negotiation tip. Listen up fellas. After your low ball price is rejected, start talking to the nearest freelancer. I am a 100% where they come back and accept yours, someone probably know better then me but I am guessing it's like turf / business war between the girls and they want to eat the other ones lunch? So 500 baht short time in BKK. It was good for the hardcore novelty that a lot of girls won't do I guess, bb gagging and deepthroat, wrapped (by choice) ass to mouth but really the last place in Thailand I want to pay for pussy, maybe a different hour when the selection is better. By the way, I am sure every guy here has banged this thing, tattooed girl stays in 600 baht / night room near soi 4 pharmacy. I look it as paying 500 for her shower and my dick was a free gift for her.
Get my eggs benedict while I'm in the area (not around me)
Walk some to my pharmacy where the sideagra is 40% below the others. I offer to buy her entire stock for 10% more discount and I do LOL. A year's worth and she says see you next year. I say you next week, laugh and leave hehe
Paul Kausch
04-19-13, 05:30
Basically what I am trying to say is that pretty much everything I can do back home, I can do here.
But what makes Thailand special for me is what I don't have back home. Warm weather all year round, an apartment house that has a lovely pool and a gym, being able within five minutes to go out at night and hang out with a friend or by myself, feeling safe nearly 100% of the time no matter where I go or at what time. And I have been told that girls are also available and easily accessible. But all this isn't enough for a lot of guys because at the end of the day it isn't home and most people want the familiarity they grew up with, their people, their customs, their way of doing things. You won't find that in Thailand. But for now that is ok with me.You do an excellent job of describing all that Bangkok has to offer.
I'm using Miami, Florida as a home base for the time being; so I have the warm weather that characterizes Bangkok, a pool, the beaches a good gym five minutes away; and I've also found a couple of cute strippers who I fuck on a regular basis; US$150 for a really good 2 or 3 hour romp with no strings attached, so the price is reasonable. The dancers in the strip clubs in Miami are as good or better than the coyote dancers in Bangkok; and as we all know, what Bangkok's go-go girls do can't even be called dancing. But all things considered, I really miss Bangkok. It has a vibe I don't find here. Bangkok's restaurant scene is so much better than Miami. Exploring Florida is not like exploring Thailand; and a trip to Atlanta is not like a trip to Hong Kong. Though I have fun with my little strippers, there's nothing like Bangkok's mongering scene here, or anywhere else, as far as I'm concerned.
I think your second to the last sentence really speaks to why some men eventually grow tired of Bangkok. However, learning a new language and culture and making new friends is great mental exercise and can rejuvenate an older brain. I look forward to the day I can call Bangkok home for at least a good part of the year.
I'm pretty sure that Bash does not open before midnight. I have never been there before 3am. Both clubs are almost across from each other on Soi 11 so it's easy to give both places a try.It is just that being older than most of you out there, I normally am asleep by 2 am. It looks like Bash may have to wait for a night of insomnia. Thanks for the run down on the clubs.
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