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Albert Punter
04-30-06, 20:54
Vulture,

I think you paid a crazy price.
Most you should have paid is 1000 x 5 = 5000 RMB.

So, avoid that pimp and read more carefully the forum or PM some of the most expert members, to get advice.




I am not sure whether I overpaid the pimp but, I paid 15000rmb in total for the overnight service. But the girls the pimp has for me were all great! He said they are all from Shanghai. If anyone want the pimp number please Private message me.
Vulture

Sebastian My
04-30-06, 22:58
Could you be kind enough to tell us where the Korean providers congregate and how much you paid?

The Galaxy Hotel has a North Korean KTV in it. There is very little english, you may need to have some mandarin or korean skills. I have an old post about it somewhere, if you do a search on Galaxy Hotel.
The Rainbow hotel has a good korean resturant in it (its close by), so i suspect this is a sort of favourite hang-out of korean guys.
As for cost, i only found it for my korean business friends so i am not sure about the cost. As a lot of koreans go their i would imagine its pricing is similar or less than the korean average, which is about $150-$300 per person for KTV, including sex. But this is only a guess.

Cebu Local
04-30-06, 23:59
I always remember the day a new secretary came to our office.
She was known to be an easy girl.
My boss said to me: "Never mix work and pleasure".
Since then I follow that teaching, which I consider very wise.Totally Agree,I just recently terminated one of my Senior Managers for impregnating the receptionist,He promoted her and was playing with his representation expense account to support her.This advice of not screwing the payroll was given to me by an old wise monger and Hotelier years ago.Fire her or help her move job,then screw her.......

Ace Gallant
05-01-06, 01:15
Dear Bro,

Greetings

Yes, you are right.

How ever she was very nice to me.

Further she came from a small place to work in Shanghai to get money (for her home ) , so may be I felt to make her happy with some extra money.

Cheers,

John

Let just try to keep the market price down so that it is good for everyone. Spoilting the girls do no good for anyone.

IMHO:

If you pay 600 and later give her a 400 tip, she would appreciate it more, rather than you pay her 1000 straight away. By giving her 1000; she will leave your room thinking "What a sucker!" whilst, the first option; you will notice the smile from her straight away before she leave your room, and will continue to ask you to call her again. If you ever use her again; you will again notice the service is no.1 and in some cases, a lot more GFE.

Enjoy
AG

Cebu Local
05-01-06, 01:25
Let just try to keep the market price down so that it is good for everyone. Spoilting the girls do no good for anyone.

IMHO:

If you pay 600 and later give her a 400 tip, she would appreciate it more, rather than you pay her 1000 straight away. By giving her 1000; she will leave your room thinking "What a sucker!" whilst, the first option; you will notice the smile from her straight away before she leave your room, and will continue to ask you to call her again. If you ever use her again; you will again notice the service is no.1 and in some cases, a lot more GFE.

Enjoy
AGLike AG pointed out,the first action shows you are a sucker,the second you have a"good heart".Remember Try to look at things through Chinese eyes.AG Let me know you are planning a mongering trip to the PI,I could help plan and organize it,see you in June and Yes I,m still decided on my Shanghainese GF.Cheers CL

Ace Gallant
05-01-06, 01:34
[QUOTE=G Jetson]I'm also a ABC here in Shanghai mongering for the past couple of years.

I've spoken to a couple of the laobans about why they have higher prices/restrict foreigners (non-asian looking) is usually not because they hate them, but rather the fact that quite a few Chinese mongers (overseas or local), if observing foreigners patronizing their favorite sin-pit will refuse to go again, believing that 'their girls' have been tainted. I know it's messed up and racist, but hey, we're here in China, one of the most bigoted places on earth. And since most BBS's cater to Asians more than foreigners (non-asian looking), they can't afford to alienate their majority clientele.

I disagree with you 100 percent. What your saying is that chinese hate foreigners? What are you thinking? What the hag are you trying to do here? Create a racist movement here?

I am Chinese though not from china but from asia and i love to frequent places where foreigners hang out so dont post such racism stuff here on the bored.

From how i see it, the chinese locals look up to the foreigners of china. Main reason, We are earning more then most of them. Anyway, my local friends here in shanghai do like foriegners too, it is not what jetson has said.

Don't understand who told you that. That particular guy must be racist but from how i see it, he isone in a million in china.

As I mentioned; that was the first place in Shanghai I seen the owner hate foreigners. And it is foreigner; not only White because Pluto is ABC too!

Unfortunately, I have to say this but all of the Laoban they told me direct when I ask them why prices for foreigners (especially whites) are higher; Because they are out in foreign land, they don't speak much Chinese, they are desperate for pussies; SO THEY ARE BIG SUCKERS! A few of them even offered me some comission if I bring Foreigners to their shops.

So all of that things that Foreigners have bigger dicks, Customers do not want to go there if they see foreigner going to the shop; and racism are all minor reasons compared to ripped off intentions they have in the Laoban mind.

Enjoy
AG

Ace Gallant
05-01-06, 01:37
Like AG pointed out,the first action shows you are a sucker,the second you have a"good heart".Remember Try to look at things through Chinese eyes.AG Let me know you are planning a mongering trip to the PI,I could help plan and organize it,see you in June and Yes I,m still decided on my Shanghainese GF.Cheers CL

Sure CL,

I love Philippines! I lived there for over a year and speak a little Tagalog. People used to say that I am Chinita. (Phillippino Chinese)

Good to see mongers settling down...Good luck to you!

See you soon.

AG

Ace Gallant
05-01-06, 01:46
Totally Agree,I just recently terminated one of my Senior Managers for impregnating the receptionist,He promoted her and was playing with his representation expense account to support her.This advice of not screwing the payroll was given to me by an old wise monger and Hotelier years ago.Fire her or help her move job,then screw her.......

I fired my newly hired secretary (Hired by my HR manager - she had incredible body and a d cup bust! looks like a movie star), when she walks into my office one lunch time, pulled the curtains, locked the door and told me; "Boss, I know you are single and needs what a man needs and I can give you everything you want!" Started to pull her panties down but before she go further I threw her out! Fired her that afternoon.

So of course I screwed her a week later when she meet me for a dinner to asked for a second chance to continue working. After screwing her that night, I told her that I will consider and call her back, which I never did.

Never touch your own staff, if you want to, fired her first!

Enjoy
AG

Ace Gallant
05-01-06, 02:00
Ahh...yes..the place with the bridge in the front. I use to go there a lot but shit, that place costs at least 288rmb (188 + 100 tip) and the room is not as nice as this place near Kangding lu.

Well, i didn't get the prostate massage so I don't know exactly what is done. But she did do some button pushing near that spot between your hole and ur ballz.



After that experience describe in my previous post on the BBS owner hates Foreigner, MAB and I proceed to that Massage place and did the Prostate Massage; We were lead to two rooms; only one had shower. I had a shower and proceed to the one without the shower. The lady that service me was only a 5/10, a girl from Jiangsu (No.62). She pulled my pant down and started with some "special oil" on my groin portion above my dick explaining that starting with this part it will stimulate the dick and creat great health for my sexual life! It was a 20 minutes process and by the time she finish, I felt great below. Than she proceed to the second part of the massage which is the prostate massage. started with my balls for 15 mins and got my brother hard and proceed to do the head of my brother. It was nice feeling. and before long she had me squirting my cum a metre high! It is a 90 mins service that we took and I had 10 mins left after cleaning up. Therefore she did a back massage for me as a free extra service.

The damage was 288. She recommend the next time, that I should do a Taiwan Massage first before doing the prostate massage. She also told me that usually after the prostate massage I will stay hard on for the whole night and therefore told me that if I need a girl for the night she can also arrange for it. Ask me to call her the next time.

Several types of Massages available and if you read the menu at the front desk, it ranges from Thai, Korean, Taiwan, Chinese, Japanese massages etc etc... and also the importants ones like Foot (Including third foot) and Prostated Masssage etc.

CYLZ Massage ( 上海常干良子足疔美容健康中心 )
Address: Changde Lu No. 888, Jin An Area. 上海静安区常德路888号
Tel: (21)-82186588
Manager: Mr. Wang

Enjoy
AG

Ace Gallant
05-01-06, 02:24
after walking out of cylz massage on changde lu, mab and i was waiting for cab. it was 2am.

from the ktv next door, several ktv girls were going off work and a group of local (they were speaking shanghainese) were hot on their tails. mab and i were standing there speaking in english and some of the ktv girls looked at us while one girl was hurriedly passing us.

flagged down a cab sending mab on his way, i started walk in the direction which the girls headed. (i lived 2 blocks down changde lu). as we distant from the ktv customers, that ktv girl slowed down i at one point i was walking almost next to her. she looked at me and asked, "you speak mandarin?", we started talking. she told me those customers were trying to get her to go home with them, she doesn't wants to do that because there are a few of them. she might ended up been gang raped. she ask me if i am foreigners, if i have a gf or wife at home..... and with all the answers she asked me if she can take salvation in my house. of course! smelt a freebie coming. very quickly she held my hand and walked home with me.

nice tight ass but skinny and b cups, said that she is 19 from wunan. back at home, han li did the normal showers and cuddle up to my bed. she was quite gfe. did her 3 shots 2 between 3 - 6 am and one more before she left at 10am. she wanted me to pay her 500 for "the service" which i refused saying that she was seeking salvation from me. in the end i gave her 100 for taxi as she said she got no money on her to go home. han li gave her cell# and told me with a wink that the next time... i have to pay...

took off at 12pm.

overall she is nice, but a bit short (which i like anyways).
han li also told me that the ktv has take out servce @ 500 for lt and most of the girls are below 20. thought i will checked them out one of these days.

enjoy
ag

Ace Gallant
05-01-06, 02:29
The Galaxy Hotel has a North Korean KTV in it. There is very little english, you may need to have some mandarin or korean skills. I have an old post about it somewhere, if you do a search on Galaxy Hotel.
The Rainbow hotel has a good korean resturant in it (its close by), so i suspect this is a sort of favourite hang-out of korean guys.
As for cost, i only found it for my korean business friends so i am not sure about the cost. As a lot of koreans go their i would imagine its pricing is similar or less than the korean average, which is about $150-$300 per person for KTV, including sex. But this is only a guess.

I went to this KTV 2.5 years back when I stayed in Raindow hotel. Newbies be careful, they try to ripped you off with a 2500 / night KTV room. "Korean" girls are not all real Korean. Some of them are Chinese and some are from the border city between North Korea and China but on the China side (so they are Chinese)!

At that time I took a 20 year old "North Korean" back to my room for LT at 800. It was one of my first time to Shanghai and dfefinately first time in KTV. But unfortunately I was not dumb enough to get ripped off by the 2500 room.

AG

Traveler1234
05-01-06, 02:29
After walking out of CYLZ Massage on Changde lu, MAB and I was waiting for cab. It was 2am.She was quite GFE. Did her 3 shots 2 between 3 - 6 am and one more before she left at 10am. She wanted me to pay her 500 for "the service" which I refused saying that she was seeking Salvation from me. In the end I gave her 100 for Taxi as she said she got no money on her to go home. Han Li gave her cell# and told me with a wink that the next time... I have to pay...

Ag

So, it worked...the massage kept you hard all night :)

Ace Gallant
05-01-06, 02:35
Sorry guys,

My posting in the past few days are in "Burst Mode" as I was having freebie for the past few nights. Only can post during the time when my Freebie is sleeping or when they are cooking for me.

Also, for those who are looking for Foot massage girl 707 from Waves Sauna, don't bother, she is sleeping in my bed now as she quited her job 2 weeks ago. I am putting her though English class, and hopefully she can find another Job.

NO, I am not in love with her nor am I marrying her. but just that she approach me to help her pay for her English class, and I thought that it will be nice for her "to pay me back with her body" ... by been my regular "freebie?" (Not exactly freebie....price: English lessons fees).

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant
05-01-06, 02:38
So, it worked...the massage kept you hard all night :)

Oh Yah... not only it works for that night.... I think it is still working...for the last few nights. I was doing average 4 to 5 shots with freebies everynight since Tuesday Night from the massage. This is a bit gross... but every shot is plentyful!

You should try it out!
Enjoy!
AG

Asiansing
05-01-06, 03:16
After having been using ISG for Thailand, Japan, and Korea, I recently moved to Shanghai, China.

I’ll try to get along with the scene, and report as it comes.

I don’t speak any Chinese yet (not a single word).

Following good advices on this board, and staying near Jing’an temple, I decided to make my first stop at Shanghai hotel sauna and massage.

The location : situated within Shanghai hotel (on 2nd floor).

The hotel is on the same block as the Hilton, with the entrance on Urumqi road (or Wulumuqi, depends on the maps), between central Yanan road (the elevated one) and Huashan road.

I entered this evening at 8.00 PM, turned left in the lobby after the reception, and took the lift to 2nd floor.

An attendant greeted me, led me to the locker room, and gave me a towel. The locker has a magnetic key that you put around your wrist.

Then, directed towards the sauna/shower place. After a shower, I enjoyed a whirlpool hot bath, while looking at the plasma TV over the huge Jacuzzi (around 8 to 10 meter diameter).

Then, to the massage table nearby, where I treated myself to a deep skin cleaning (extra 68 RMB, worth the try to see how much dead skin you carry).

Then, another shower, and I did wear this funny pyjama.

I was led to a dark room with individual sofas, to relax for a while, sipping some Oolong tea, while having my toes/nails taken care of (another 68 RMB extra, with qualitative work done).

The plasma TV was displaying China-Germany semi-finals in table tennis, so I stayed a little there.

Then, led to the massage room, where I had to choose within 5 girls, ranging from ugly to cute (upon my bad taste).

I choose Miss WanYu (or this is what I understood), 20 yrs old from Harbin (north of China), 153 cm, and around 40 kilos, petite with a cute face and small but nice breast.
In the room, she started by undressing me, cleaning my back with a towel, and then started the work with a tongue and lips massage from head to toe, gargling hot water all the way.

This was followed by a cream and hot water massage, at first with her breast, then with her ass, using the famed “red rope” hanging from the parallel bars on the ceiling.
Then, some cleaning with baby wipers, and thorough rimming for a few minutes.
On the other side, she did some tongue and lips as well.

Hanging her body from the red rope, she then did a very nice and long BBBJ, moving her body in several positions, all more acrobatic than the others.

Then, some DATY and breast sucking from myself, and finally a covered FS with myself standing and her high on the ropes.

After some cleaning, some mouth washing, she did some finger pressing massage on my legs.

All in all, it lasted 2 hours and 10 minutes, I enjoyed every minute.

Total cost was 886 RMB (650 + 68 + 68).

I saw a sign quoting (it seems) 650 from 1.00 PM TO 7.00 PM, then 750 from 7.00 PM to 4.00 AM.

For those interested, the phone number is 21 6248 1616.

Thanks to all folks on the board who provided this piece of advice.

The place is a must-know, IMHO.

If some of you wanna show me around, or give specific advices, don't hesitate to PM me, thanks.Sorry to hear you have only 5 girls to choose from.

I have been there at least 6 times and everytime, there was 10 to 15 girls for me to choose from. Perhaps is a sunday, thats why there are fewer girls to choose from.

by the way, during the week long holiday, half the gals will be on holiday for the first 3 days and the other half will take theirs on the 4th to 6th. So i guess during this time, there will be less gals to choose from.

ENJOY.

Oscar Maradona
05-01-06, 05:41
Hello all, I've been in lurk mode recently, but have indeed been mongering non-stop for the past month.

I made Sundays at Da Tang Yu Jin spa (near Hongqiao) a regularly scheduled event, and was happy to exchange phone numbers with a few of the girls there. I might even understand a word or two of what they are saying next time they call at 2am.

So what's this megapost then? I'm still relatively new here in Shanghai, and only after being here 4 months am I getting a sense of the size/expanse of this city and many of its different mongering options. A city this big deserves the odd, mega post...

A few Sundays back I ventured out to Da Tang Yu Jin with Asian Gambler and had great times as expected. An interesting thing about DTYJ is that the foot massage rooms mostly have two recliners separated by a small table for your drinks, fruit plate, whatever... Well, Asian and I had both just finished sessioning and were relaxing, chatting in our foot massage room, and we both opted for foot massages with happy endings. So the lovely girls (186, and 187) go ahead and do their foot massage thing which is great. But towards the beginning of the happy ending treatment the girls motion to pull down our pajama things. Asian and I kind of look over at each other and grimace: Time out. He says to me "You'd think they'd put a curtain or even towel up between the two chairs!' Haha! He adds, "Pluto, you're great, but I don't think I want to know you that well!". I agree and take 187 to the room next door where we can have a bit of happy handjob pivacy.

As for duplos, festinhas, 3 ways, double-teams, orgies and all that good stuff, I think I'm up for it, but just haven't got around to it (yet). Errr. Anyways... Leaving DTYJ that evening, we take a different route (not the highway)back towards my place near Xujiahui, and Asian points out BBS strip malls here and there. It seems that the BBSs are usually clumped together with 3-5 different BBSs in very close proximity ie. next door to one another.

I also made it to the CYLZ Massage on Changde Lu with PassinThru and Blacklisted. It's the place with the smallish bridge-over-fishpond thing in front. A few things make this event memorable. First, I don't think the place had been covered in the forum at that point, and we were basically T1FTT, you know, send out a probe, take one for the team... And to relate to all, it's really not that easy to forage out and find the good stuff when you are marginalized by the language. Firstly, the massage place has a very legit look and feel, with a menu (Chinese) offering what appears to be medicinal massage. So what's a guy to do when you can't read the menu, but you suspect there is some action on the premises, based on the location of the establishment in such close proximity to other BBSs on Changde Lu? Well, you can try asking the attendant.

So the situation turns into a conversation at this point. Of course, the attendant, a charming, and rather unsuspecting Chinese woman is now facing 3 guys with somewhat limited language skills. You know, we're talking about the kind of Mandarin they don't teach you in skool. If it is a legit place, you don't really want to be a heel and upset the charming and rather unsuspecting Chinese woman attendant, so there is a bit of a parlay. The ol' Nudge-nudge, wink-wink, you-know-what-I-mean, you-know-what-I-mean' doesn't really work here.

So the conversation becomes graphic, interspersed with hand gestures, body language, and well, you can kind of imagine. At this point, another attendant, maybe the boss joins in, well, actually, he was present the entire time, but was probably just being amused and entertained by the whole cultural exchange. Anyways, he joins in and, like a good hawker at Xianyang Market, kindly re-assures us that whatever we decide is good, and we won't be let down. Ok, so we each sign up for some kind of massage and are led to separate rooms. Then a uniformed masseuse comes in, and I am still thinking this is a legit place. She's big, like linebacker big, with a pleasant enough face, and I just succomb thinking about enjoying a deep massage. It turns out to be a pro massage with a long, happy handjob ending. I'm not sure if it was the prostate massage that was described earlier. Excuse my newbieness, but isn't a prostate massage basically joint stroking of your nob and your prostate gland which, incidently, is up your butt somewhere?!? I'm pretty sure I didn't have that, but if it really makes you nut like Petey North, you know, ceiling repair style --sign me up. The massage I had was great, technically. Nutted and all, but it was just that, technical.

As Blacklisted mentioned, we made it to another BBS on Changde Lu recently, and have become regulars to the point which makes for great fun and antics/hijinx in the backroom. If you have not yet been to a BBS, don't expect full spa treatment, or even private rooms. You'll get semi-walled rooms, ie. not floor-to-ceiling walls, so you can usually hear everything going on next door. I think some girls like to play up the "ooooh-ahhhhh-hao-sufu" audibles which is great, but if you are with a quieter girl you might be wondering how you can get the same thing that the other guy ordered -- I'll have what he's having. Luckily, it's only 60RMB so you can usually sample as much of whatever is on the menu without entirely breaking the bank.

In an un-related incident...

Haters. Yes, seems that no place is without its share of Haters and, well, as seen in earlier posts, Blacklisted and I ran into a hater-laoban running a BBS off Changde Lu. I am thinking of going there each time I'm in the area, *after* I nut next door, of course. Turns out there is a whole other section of BBSs off Changde Lu that is yet to be discovered. Time to send out more probes... I could be wrong though, AG's probably been all through there already! D'Oh!

Monkey King
05-01-06, 08:13
Sorry guys,

My posting in the past few days are in "Burst Mode" as I was having freebie for the past few nights. Only can post during the time when my Freebie is sleeping or when they are cooking for me.

Also, for those who are looking for Foot massage girl 707 from Waves Sauna, don't bother, she is sleeping in my bed now as she quited her job 2 weeks ago. I am putting her though English class, and hopefully she can find another Job.

NO, I am not in love with her nor am I marrying her. but just that she approach me to help her pay for her English class, and I thought that it will be nice for her "to pay me back with her body" ... by been my regular "freebie?" (Not exactly freebie....price: English lessons fees).

Enjoy!

AGSo 707 is gone! I was going to go there this fine May day and get milked x 3. She was a sweety. Guess I'll have to go out and get that prostate check.

-MK

Cebu Local
05-01-06, 08:20
Oh Yah... not only it works for that night.... I think it is still working...for the last few nights. I was doing average 4 to 5 shots with freebies everynight since Tuesday Night from the massage. This is a bit gross... but every shot is plentyful!

You should try it out!
Enjoy!
AGI most defenitely will have to try this.CYLZ massage should be my first stop.That way you are carrying lots of ammo when you go hunting....

Asiansing
05-01-06, 12:17
Happy Labour holidays to all in the forum. I will be staying in shanghai for this whole 7 days of holiday. I will be searching for new and better bath and massage houses.

Found a bath house that has never been mention in this forum. Perhaps this bath house is way too far.

Location. Pudong. (yang gao zhong lu). This is a very long stretch of road but if you keep going down this road towards? (jin qiao) you will be able to see a building on your right side written bath house. It is a building of about 3 floors standing alone. I drove pass it this afternoon and went in to check out the services and pricing.

Services provided.

10pm to 12pm, theres a live show for all to watch.

Buffet around the clock.

Swimming pool for customers to swim.

And of course, massage services.

The entrance fee is 48rmb ecxluding other services

There are much more services here but I have to find out.

I will be going over at around 8 plus hoping to see the show and will report back.

Anyway, this place opens 24 hours. First place I came across in shanghai that opens 24 hours.

Will be leaving soon and sorry I am not able to post the exact address but will post in detail where it is located, services and of course. How the girls ARE.

Traveler1234
05-01-06, 12:36
Oh Yah... not only it works for that night.... I think it is still working...for the last few nights. I was doing average 4 to 5 shots with freebies everynight since Tuesday Night from the massage. This is a bit gross... but every shot is plentyful!

You should try it out!
Enjoy!
AG

This now is a classic to share with all!

Ace Gallant
05-01-06, 15:56
as for duplos, festinhas, 3 ways, double-teams, orgies and all that good stuff, i think i'm up for it, but just haven't got around to it (yet). errr. anyways... leaving dtyj that evening, we take a different route (not the highway)back towards my place near xujiahui, and asian points out bbs strip malls here and there. it seems that the bbss are usually clumped together with 3-5 different bbss in very close proximity ie. next door to one another.
as blacklisted mentioned, we made it to another bbs on changde lu recently, and have become regulars to the point which makes for great fun and antics/hijinx in the backroom. if you have not yet been to a bbs, don't expect full spa treatment, or even private rooms. you'll get semi-walled rooms, ie. not floor-to-ceiling walls, so you can usually hear everything going on next door. i think some girls like to play up the "ooooh-ahhhhh-hao-sufu" audibles which is great, but if you are with a quieter girl you might be wondering how you can get the same thing that the other guy ordered -- i'll have what he's having. luckily, it's only 60rmb so you can usually sample as much of whatever is on the menu without entirely breaking the bank.

in an un-related incident...

haters. yes, seems that no place is without its share of haters and, well, as seen in earlier posts, blacklisted and i ran into a hater-laoban running a bbs off changde lu. i am thinking of going there each time i'm in the area, *after* i nut next door, of course. turns out there is a whole other section of bbss off changde lu that is yet to be discovered. time to send out more probes... i could be wrong though, ag's probably been all through there already! d'oh!

pluto.... i like your post, although your posts come in once in a blue moon.

recalling that incident at da tang and reading your post, i was laughing off my chair! oh...yah...may be i should suggest to the owner that they should install a curtain between the two easy chairs...hahahaha... recalled the experience i shared with the gang about the ktv in phillippines called the "genie"? and the magic curtains?

just for amusement:

genie is a ktv in phillippines. they have hostress serving you and in between, your "genie" (hostress) will pull down a magic curtain which surround and isolate you and the genie off from the rest of those inside the room and you can do whatever you like (including fs). the only problem is that because of the size of the "magic curtains" you are limited to fs on sitting position! of course, there might be a few magic curtains in the room depending on the number of guest! may be we should have that in ktv here???

there must be at least 30 bbs along and off changde lu. even if i am bbs freak... it will take me one month of busting everynight to finish all of them. anyways... i reckon there are only about 5 to 6 of the lot worth visiting based on the quality of the girls. i did however scouted and peep though almost all of them.... hey! i was the one who report about this bbs concentration! and i lived on the end of changde lu 10mins walking distance!

and now of course; i can get my prostate massage 10 mins away too! :)

enjoy
ag

Ace Gallant
05-01-06, 15:59
Happy Labour holidays to all in the forum. I will be staying in shanghai for this whole 7 days of holiday. I will be searching for new and better bath and massage houses.

Found a bath house that has never been mention in this forum. Perhaps this bath house is way too far.

Location. Pudong. (yang gao zhong lu). This is a very long stretch of road but if you keep going down this road towards? (jin qiao) you will be able to see a building on your right side written bath house. It is a building of about 3 floors standing alone. I drove pass it this afternoon and went in to check out the services and pricing.

Services provided.

10pm to 12pm, theres a live show for all to watch.

Buffet around the clock.

Swimming pool for customers to swim.

And of course, massage services.

The entrance fee is 48rmb ecxluding other services

There are much more services here but I have to find out.

I will be going over at around 8 plus hoping to see the show and will report back.

Anyway, this place opens 24 hours. First place I came across in shanghai that opens 24 hours.

Will be leaving soon and sorry I am not able to post the exact address but will post in detail where it is located, services and of course. How the girls ARE.

Sound like a Macau Style Sauna. What you see in the Live show? Is it a line up of all the girls available or a Lesbian Show or a Strip dance like those in Macau Saunas?

Worth Checking it out!

AG

Ace Gallant
05-01-06, 16:03
So 707 is gone! I was going to go there this fine May day and get milked x 3. She was a sweety. Guess I'll have to go out and get that prostate check.

-MK

MK,

Come on.... 707 is not the only cuties in Waves...there are her fellow friend 709, 705 and 708. But I must admit... 707 is one of the cutest.

707 gave me a break tonight, she went home to gather some clothing and will be back at my place tomorrow. I hope she is not here to stay for good or she'll be very disappointed!

Try the Prostate Massage place I mentioned. It's good!

Enjoy
AG

Ace Gallant
05-01-06, 16:05
So 707 is gone! I was going to go there this fine May day and get milked x 3. She was a sweety. Guess I'll have to go out and get that prostate check.

-MK

While we are on this subject;

I noticed that the quality of girls at waves had gone down a fair bit in the recent months. Found that some of the better girls had been transfered over the Yu Ping (Same owner).

Any of you regulars noticed the same thing?

AG

Albert Punter
05-01-06, 19:28
You can see them on thisshanghai.com website too.

Just as a matter of curiosity I had contacted them.
They e-mailed pictures of girls (not my taste) and rates (very expensive, considering local prices).



On the other side, it seems there is a ring of Philipino girls now working on a professionnel basis. I saw their advertizing on "shanghai-ed.com" a couple of weeks ago.

Levitian

Cebu Local
05-01-06, 23:23
MK,

Come on.... 707 is not the only cuties in Waves...there are her fellow friend 709, 705 and 708. But I must admit... 707 is one of the cutest.

707 gave me a break tonight, she went home to gather some clothing and will be back at my place tomorrow. I hope she is not here to stay for good or she'll be very disappointed!

Try the Prostate Massage place I mentioned. It's good!

Enjoy
AGAG
I am sure that If you tire of 707,Just post on board and I am sure that there will be some monger who will be happy to share their home and BED with her.

Cebu Local
05-01-06, 23:27
You can see them on thisshanghai.com website too.

Just as a matter of curiosity I had contacted them.
They e-mailed pictures of girls (not my taste) and rates (very expensive, considering local prices).Yes,Prices are outrageous considering how much you can get them for in the PI.But regarding looks Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.Some guys prefer their looks to that of Chinese girls and vice versa.Look at me,I live in the PI and ended up getting a Shanghai GF since I prefer Chinese looks

Cebu Local
05-01-06, 23:38
Pluto.... I like your post, although your posts come in once in a blue moon.

Recalling that incident at Da Tang and reading your post, I was laughing off my chair! Oh...yah...May be I should suggest to the Owner that they should install a curtain between the two easy chairs...hahahaha... Recalled the experience I shared with the Gang about the KTV in Phillippines Called the "Genie"? And the Magic Curtains?

Just for Amusement:

Genie is a KTV in Phillippines. They have hostress serving you and in between, your "Genie" (Hostress) will pull down a Magic curtain which surround and Isolate you and the Genie off from the rest of those inside the room and you can do whatever you like (Including FS). The only problem is that because of the size of the "Magic Curtains" you are limited to FS on sitting position! Of course, there might be a few Magic Curtains in the room depending on the number of guest! May be we should have that in KTV here???


AGFunny you should mention Genie,Since I have never found another KTV whether in Malaysia,Macau,China,Thailand etc with a Magic Curtain,Maybe this is another idea China can "copy".Another thing worth trying is the triplet and quintuplet service at Gemini or the former Skyline in the 8th floor of Grand Boulevard Hotel in Manila.Doing 3-4 girls at time is an experience that is unforgetable and the BJ bars where a girl under your table sucks you while you have your drink is another.But the PI does not have prostate massages or red ropes,So I have to go to China for that.Cheers

Ace Gallant
05-02-06, 01:48
AG
I am sure that If you tire of 707,Just post on board and I am sure that there will be some monger who will be happy to share their home and BED with her.

Of course!

Just like one of my other freebie from Beijing that I pass over to one of my friend back in Dec last year. However, I did not expect he took her as his wife now and make me kind of having a weird feeling when I meet up with them.

When I am done with her, I'll put her up on the board for adoption. At the moment, I will get my money worth first. (For the school fees I am paying for her). As I always says.... freebies is not that free afterall..... You pay now or you pay later...

AG

Ace Gallant
05-02-06, 02:08
Yes,Prices are outrageous considering how much you can get them for in the PI.But regarding looks Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.Some guys prefer their looks to that of Chinese girls and vice versa.Look at me,I live in the PI and ended up getting a Shanghai GF since I prefer Chinese looks

Is is strange and seems like a Phillippino Outcall service operated in Tokyo, Chiba perfecture, like this one in Shanghai is of the same concept. The price there are also outrageous as compared to the local pricing.

Operator like these are designed to ripped off foreigners who are here not so often and for short period of time, thus do not have or want to spend the time searching.

CL, in Phillippines, I learnt that Phillippinos man prefer Chinese looking or Spanish looking girls. It seems that the thought of "The grass is always greener on the other side applies". Like in Japan, Japanese looked for Fillipinas, In Beijing people looking for Russian or middle eastern. I guess when something is rare it is more precious?

IMHO: When in Rome do what the Romans do. So if I want Russians, I go to Russia, if I want Fillippinas, I'll go to Phillippines.

AG

Ace Gallant
05-02-06, 02:29
Funny you should mention Genie,Since I have never found another KTV whether in Malaysia,Macau,China,Thailand etc with a Magic Curtain,Maybe this is another idea China can "copy".Another thing worth trying is the triplet and quintuplet service at Gemini or the former Skyline in the 8th floor of Grand Boulevard Hotel in Manila.Doing 3-4 girls at time is an experience that is unforgetable and the BJ bars where a girl under your table sucks you while you have your drink is another.But the PI does not have prostate massages or red ropes,So I have to go to China for that.Cheers

I know I should not mention about Phillippines ion Shanghai board but just to let the guys knows some of the very different types of service they can get there:

I tried the triplet and quintuplet, In fact I did my first 1 to 5 service in Maligaya, Quazon City, Manila. It is heaven when you have 5 girls batheing you and 5 girls servicing you on bed. Except that part where the bed is a bit too small for all 6 of us. That is why when Initially when Vulture mentioned about 6 some, I do believe it is possible.

The BJ bars oh yah.... love that one... Except it get a little messy sometimes for BJ bars that serves food...

There are no Red rope service in Phillippines but however I found a Prostate Massage place (I don't know if it still exist) in Cebu and it is operated my a Chinese guy. He must had copied the concept from Shanghai.

The Magic curtains is unique to Phillippines, I did not find it anywhere else in places I had mongered.

And what about those Private Room in the side of Music Bars in Pasay City? Where it is like a Booth with sofa, you pull the curtains, do whatever you like in the booth while the Live plays their way outside the booth? Great feeling like there you are banging you girl away in the middle of all those Live Band music!

Also the Fashion Shows of Peguses in Quazon City.... where they have pretty models doing professional fashion show every hour on stage and you can pick to girls to bring home.

And also the Boarding House... of Manila City, where real University students live and sits in the Sofa that goes round the Living Hall, to be pick up as providers in the evening.

Oh.... I love Phillippines...!

May be I should start selling these cross countries concepts to operators here and be their Mongering Consultant?

:)
AG

Ace Gallant
05-02-06, 03:10
hey! i seems to be advertising for the prostate massage center now.....

but, last night after 707 left my house, (9 - 10pm) i got a bit hungry so i decided head down changde lu to find some food.... great mistake!!!!

i passed some bbs along to way and i guess it must be a slow night considering that it is still public holiday. i did see only limited girls in each bbs, but most of these girls are very welcoming... standing up, coming to the door and waving at me to go in as they saw me peeping into them.

i got my food from a neigberhood dumpling shop and decided to head back as i thought, after 2 nights and total of 8 - 10 shots on 707, i would be dried up on my ammo, i was wrong! i passed the prostate massage place and the manager who know me now, waved for me to go in but flagging to him telling him another day, i proceeded down the road home. i passed a strip of small bbs between yuyao lu and an yuan lu, one of the girl (wei na) which i had taken before, spotted me, rushed out and pulled me into the bbs. she started telling me that it great to see me, i am so heartless as i did not went back there to see her for a long time.... blah blah blah.... while she was talking away...

i noticed a cute little fair complexion girl sitting at the corner. i made a smile out to her, and she smile back. immediately my little brother got hard on! seems like the prostate massage did wonders to me! wei na caught that and asked her to come over immediately she introduce me to her as her little sister from her home town.... (in places like these, every girls are sister).

cutting the story short, a series of negotiation proceed and i ended up bringing both of them home for lt.

details:

name: wei na
province: chengdu
stats: 7/10
complexion: a bit tan
height: 162m
weight: about 45kg
experience: all major 50 patterns from kama sultra.
services provided: fs, af (for extra 50) hj, bbbj (swallow only for regular customers).
hair: short, black with a little center dyed red.
others: clean, and will not do anything without rubbers

name: san san
province: sichuang
stats: 8/10
complexion: super fair!
height: 160m (estimated as she is shorter than wei na)
weight: about 40 - 45kg
experience : none, but undergone ag's training method no. 3. ;)
services provided: fs, no af, lousy hj, taught her the first bbbj
hair: long and silky.
others: clean but inexperience, tight as she said i am the third dick she ever took and i am her first customer while the other two guys where her bf from back home. she makes a lot of noise complaining pain (i can tell its real) so i had to be very very gentle with her and used up my full tube of lube. taught her to ride me and she is quite good at it now because she is not heavy but have strong limbs.

total damage:

250 each for lt, normal price: 400 each and you have to wait till they get off work to go home with you. i was lucky because it is the golden week!

bbs location:

if you are coming from nanjing lu; second bbs between yu yao lu and an yuan lu.

if you are coming from chang shou lu; fourth bbs.

there are 5 bbs along this strip.

enjoy!
ag

Asiansing
05-02-06, 03:41
I am so disappointed with the quality of girls in the sauna I previously posted and to add to this, they don't provide FS. I tihnk.

Went there last night at 9pm.

Was lead into a big big big place where you do your showers.

After my shower, I changed into the pyjmas and started to roam around the place.

Discovered.

This place serves women and children too. What a let down. After exting the bath place, there is this huge hall where women, children and MAN relax together.

Facilities provided.

A room of about 8 computers to serve the internet.

A table tennis table.

A pool table.

A olympic swimming pool.

And a pub. When I enter this pub, I see 3 customers onlybut with 2 pole dancing girls. One of the girl was siting on the sofa flirting with one of the customer and the other is doing pole dancing stripping to her undies teasing the other 2 customers which I think thry are drooling. Haha Anyway, you would need to spend at least 50rmb to stay in the place.

There is a live show from 10 to 12pm everyday. Went to see it for a while but to my disappointment, its just way too family concept wothe the guy singing and girls dancing on stage. Not my cup of tea so went off. Wento to see what I could I have for buffet but it to China like so I left.

Went to second floor to start off the massage. I am amazed with the number of rooms they have, at least 400 rooms that is. The rooms are hotel like and I mean hotel like room with 2 supersingle beds in the room and a attach toilet.

Now, they provide 3 types of body massage. 148, 198 and 412rmb I took the 412 massage hopping to have fun. In came the girl. EEEeeee. A 6 came in changed the girl and anpther 6 came in. So sad, I did not want to be picky so I let her in. Service provided by her. Tit massage, BBBJ and HJ. No fuck. WHAT THE HAG, in the end of her time, she did not even manage to make me cum. So sad. Waste of my money.

Feeling horny, I asked for a leg massage, in came a 6. 5 girl. What the hag, don't they have beautys here? Did the leg massage and nothing else. AGAIN, what the hag, wheres my HJ. But the leg massage was damn cheap so I let it go. 48rmb for 40 min.

This place disappoints me. Other then the room that I like, this place sucks.

Don't recommend this place to anyone so I wont be posting the exact address. If your curious of the place, read my last posting regarding the direction. Total damage 575 in all for a not so good experience.

I found another bath house near this one and will be going there later in the day. I really hope this place I a good one and not disappoint.

Hope you guys are having more luck then me.

Cap Iota
05-02-06, 04:13
my bad, that massage shop is actually on Xi Kang road, close to Kang Ding road.

484 Xi Kang Road.

And if you're in the area, check out the BBS's around Kang Ding road. there's this one shop with some really hot sichuanese. 200rmb FS, 130rmb BBBJ (some gurlz do it, some do not).

cap iota

Ace Gallant
05-02-06, 06:00
I am so disappointed with the quality of girls in the sauna I previously posted and to add to this, they don't provide FS. I tihnk.

Went there last night at 9pm.

Was lead into a big big big place where you do your showers.

After my shower, I changed into the pyjmas and started to roam around the place.

Discovered.

This place serves women and children too. What a let down. After exting the bath place, there is this huge hall where women, children and MAN relax together.

Facilities provided.

A room of about 8 computers to serve the internet.

A table tennis table.

A pool table.

A olympic swimming pool.

And a pub. When I enter this pub, I see 3 customers onlybut with 2 pole dancing girls. One of the girl was siting on the sofa flirting with one of the customer and the other is doing pole dancing stripping to her undies teasing the other 2 customers which I think thry are drooling. Haha Anyway, you would need to spend at least 50rmb to stay in the place.

There is a live show from 10 to 12pm everyday. Went to see it for a while but to my disappointment, its just way too family concept wothe the guy singing and girls dancing on stage. Not my cup of tea so went off. Wento to see what I could I have for buffet but it to China like so I left.

Went to second floor to start off the massage. I am amazed with the number of rooms they have, at least 400 rooms that is. The rooms are hotel like and I mean hotel like room with 2 supersingle beds in the room and a attach toilet.

Now, they provide 3 types of body massage. 148, 198 and 412rmb I took the 412 massage hopping to have fun. In came the girl. EEEeeee. A 6 came in changed the girl and anpther 6 came in. So sad, I did not want to be picky so I let her in. Service provided by her. Tit massage, BBBJ and HJ. No fuck. WHAT THE HAG, in the end of her time, she did not even manage to make me cum. So sad. Waste of my money.

Feeling horny, I asked for a leg massage, in came a 6. 5 girl. What the hag, don't they have beautys here? Did the leg massage and nothing else. AGAIN, what the hag, wheres my HJ. But the leg massage was damn cheap so I let it go. 48rmb for 40 min.

This place disappoints me. Other then the room that I like, this place sucks.

Don't recommend this place to anyone so I wont be posting the exact address. If your curious of the place, read my last posting regarding the direction. Total damage 575 in all for a not so good experience.

I found another bath house near this one and will be going there later in the day. I really hope this place I a good one and not disappoint.

Hope you guys are having more luck then me.

Looks like a family sauna... OK next sauna please....

AG

Albert Punter
05-02-06, 12:33
In my previous post, I forgot to mention that on thatsshanghai.com website you can find ad from vietnamese girls too.

I visited wesbite mentioned in the ad.
Look of the girls is not bad, but prices are.

Monkey King
05-02-06, 15:43
MK,

Come on.... 707 is not the only cuties in Waves...there are her fellow friend 709, 705 and 708. But I must admit... 707 is one of the cutest.

707 gave me a break tonight, she went home to gather some clothing and will be back at my place tomorrow. I hope she is not here to stay for good or she'll be very disappointed!

Try the Prostate Massage place I mentioned. It's good!

Enjoy
AGAG,

Tried 709 but 707 was my fave of the two.

Prostate massage was decent. The environment is equivalent to a clean 2 star hotel or a run down 3 star. Water was leaking through the walls and onto the carpet. The massage was interesting. The girl bend your wang left and right and basically give it a mini-shiatsu.

Got girl number 28, a full D sized 22 y/o honey from Hubei. She can't keep her boobs from bouncing all over you as she hunches over for the oil rubbing. It was a good deal until the last ten minutes when she recommended doing the tummy rub. I started realizing she wasn't going to finish off the job. She said I'd have to order another hour to make me cum. So I told her no way she had 5 minutes to shoot me down and airplane. So she did. It was an interesting massage... it's called 'gao an bao jian' in case anyone doesn't speak chinese (their menu is in chinese only).

Price is 280. However that is for a combo regular oil massage + prostate massage. You can just get the prostate one which is 45 mins as opposed to 90 min. I believe the price was 160 or something. They also have 'Vienna' massage for 240. That's a full body oil massage including up your butt and all that. Decided not to get a membership for the discount since it wasn't in my neighborhood or super worth going back to.

Happy snappy may day,

MK

Monkey King
05-02-06, 16:00
new, sauna report. xiang mi hu sauna on fa hua zhen lu, two blocks north of huai hai.

not bad! i've been to a few sauna's and i quite like this one. it's not too big and doesn't get very crowded. environment is equivalent of a nice 3 star hotel or basic 4 star. (hey maybe china tourism bureau should rate these places. or maybe ctrip could list them on their website.. wouldn't that be nice?)

manager and mamasan are very friendly. you get private waiting rooms and when your ready, mamasan brings you a lineup of 4-6 girls.

my favorite of the bunch are these two tall leggy girls from shenyang. one is 857(?) and she has the body of an angel. perfect ass, nice long legs, long hair, flat abs... delicious! (9/10 body) service includes red rope, tea bagging, vibrators for the curious, bbbj, fire ice, and plain old sex. 857 is a maniac! she rides and moans and gets terribly excited when she sits on top... claims it's the only position she can reach orgasm. anyways, made sure to max out my minutes to make the most of this fun little gal. we were both sweaty and pooped by the end. i couldn't get her to stand up afterwards.

other girls are great too... at the very least you'll get very professional service.

name: xiang mi hu sauna
location: 299 fa hua zhen lu, 2f
tel: 62838548
price: 650rmb

hmmm, now what to do tomorrow? anyone know of any bbs strips near zhaojiabang lu between xuhui and luwan districts?

mk

Gualtier Malde
05-02-06, 19:48
Nice report, Monkey King. What was the price?

David


New, Sauna report.

...
Name: Xiang Mi Hu Sauna
Location: 299 Fa Hua Zhen Lu, 2F
Tel: 62838548


MK

Bblover
05-03-06, 02:02
Can you provide again the address of waves sauna?

Thanks

Ace Gallant
05-03-06, 03:21
hmmm, now what to do tomorrow? Anyone know of any BBS strips near Zhaojiabang Lu between XuHui and LuWan districts?

MK

The nearest BBS strip that I know is in Dong Zhu An Ban Lu BBSs on both sides of the road.

There is a Sauna (so called Japanese Sauna by some board members because of the Japanese words at the Entrance).

If you are at the south end of Xuhui districts may be you want to try the Village.

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant
05-03-06, 03:25
AG,

Tried 709 but 707 was my fave of the two.

Prostate massage was decent. The environment is equivalent to a clean 2 star hotel or a run down 3 star. Water was leaking through the walls and onto the carpet. The massage was interesting. The girl bend your wang left and right and basically give it a mini-shiatsu.

Got girl number 28, a full D sized 22 y/o honey from Hubei. She can't keep her boobs from bouncing all over you as she hunches over for the oil rubbing. Happy snappy may day,

MK

Sorry to pull 707 away from all of you guys. But it was more of her request than me pulling her out.

Oh... No. 28... yes... I got her number and reckon I'll be dating her as a freebie soon. I just have to clear up my evening bookings.... ;)

AG

Sinofaguo
05-03-06, 04:41
my bad, that massage shop is actually on Xi Kang road, close to Kang Ding road.

484 Xi Kang Road. I passed by this place, they have an english board outside explaining how the place purifies you blablabla. But it seems to be a bath place. Can you give us more details about the process when you get there? do you just ask for a massage and get led to a private room to get it, or do you have to go through the whole sauna like process?

Asiansing
05-03-06, 05:57
Hey guys,

I will be going down to tong ren lu tonight.

Just a question.

What is the best time i should go down there?

I am bored like mad.

Asiansing
05-03-06, 06:00
I am giving it up. Been to another bath house last night and it was the same as the last one i reported on. No FS and only HJ. what the hag.

I wont be going to another one for sure. Its really a waste of ammo.

Ace Gallant
05-03-06, 06:30
Hey guys,

I will be going down to tong ren lu tonight.

Just a question.

What is the best time i should go down there?

I am bored like mad.

Action only starts after 10pm.

Not so many people on Tong Ren Lu these couple of days. It still P.holidays man! I was there the last few nights.

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant
05-03-06, 06:32
I am giving it up. Been to another bath house last night and it was the same as the last one i reported on. No FS and only HJ. what the hag.

I wont be going to another one for sure. Its really a waste of ammo.

May be it would helps if you post on the board to tell everyone which one it is? That will be more useful information.

AG

BJ Boy
05-03-06, 06:37
Asiansing, there are many saunas that offer full service, just read the thread and you'll find them.

And can you please stop saying "what the hag". What does that mean anyway?

Ace Gallant
05-03-06, 06:37
Can you provide again the address of waves sauna?

Thanks

Obviously you are too lazy to do a simple search on this forum. Waves is one of the most mentioned Sauna on this board and the address was posted many times. Besides there are even maps on some posting.

Or may be you are using a piblic computer in some Internet cafe that you are too Embarrass to stay on this site for too long...

Sorry this is not a Mongering Helpdesk. If you want information, RTFF

AG

Ace Gallant
05-03-06, 06:45
Asiansing, there are many saunas that offer full service, just read the thread and you'll find them.

And can you please stop saying "what the hag". What does that mean anyway?

It is strange, I assume Asiansing you are from Singapore because I have a few Singaporean friends that uses "What the Hag". I couldn't figure out what that means. May be it is a Singaporean Term????

It is same as "What the Fuck" or "What's the Hell?"

Please Enlighten
AG

Hallo
05-03-06, 07:19
Would like some company for the Shanghai sauna? Anyone care to join=)

Oscar Maradona
05-03-06, 07:32
Not a report, just some info.

I was a bit early for a dinner date at the Hengshan Hotel so I went to take a look around and on the 2nd floor I was welcomed by the hostess of Hengshan Hotel Jin Bi Hu Sauna. She explained they have a Sexy Massage for 700RMB.

I didn't feel like TOFTT (and didn't have that kind of cash) but wonder if anyone else has been to this place.

2F Hengshan Hotel, Hengshan Lu 534
6471 1290

Asiansing
05-03-06, 08:00
Asiansing, there are many saunas that offer full service, just read the thread and you'll find them.

And can you please stop saying "what the hag". What does that mean anyway?BJ Boy, though I have only a few post to my name, I did do my homework on saunas in the forum and I have been to most of them. I am only trying to find new places to explore. Anyway, I presume bath houses are quite different from saunas as they provide different services.

WHAT THE HAG, This is just the way we say stuff back from my country. I will stop using it in this forum if it pleases you DUH!

Asiansing
05-03-06, 08:08
It is strange, I assume Asiansing you are from Singapore because I have a few Singaporean friends that uses "What the Hag". I couldn't figure out what that means. May be it is a Singaporean Term????

It is same as "What the Fuck" or "What's the Hell?"

Please Enlighten

AGHi AG,

My impression of you is that you really have been travelling around the world, ENVY! Haha.

YES your right, I am from Singapore and THE word I use don't really have a meaning. Its just an expression used by singaporeans to describe.

Hard to explain with words here but the meaning is about the same as "What The Hell"

Thanks for the advise on the timing for tong ren lu. Sad to hear that there isnt much going on in the holidays. Think I will just stick to shanghai hotel.

Thanks again.

Ace Gallant
05-03-06, 08:56
After getting a dozen PM from Fellow members about BBS in Chang De Lu, I decided do my full intelligence report and drew a map according to the locations of the BBSs. In the last few weeks. I noticed that not all of the BBSs opens every night so, while exploring the area, sometimes the number of BBSs indicated on a certain part of Chang De Lu; my map may not be equals to the number of BBSs open for business on the day/night you visit there. However I had indicated all of them down according the actual position.

Please also take note that not all the BBS offers FS. At least those indicate as recommended BBS on my map offers FS.

Price range from (Depends on your Neogotiation Skills)
30 to 80 for HJ
150 to 300 for FS = ST
200 to 500 for Take Out LT

Also note that not all BBS allow takes outs. But most of the girls who do FS; private arrangement can be made between you and them; just remember to get their Cell#.

Enjoy!
AG

Albert Punter
05-03-06, 12:14
As stated on a dictionary, "hag" means ugly old woman, evil old woman or, in offensive slang, witch.


And can you please stop saying "what the hag". What does that mean anyway?

Monkey King
05-03-06, 17:24
Nice report, Monkey King. What was the price?

David650 rmb. Oops. Forgot price is important.

MK

Ace Gallant
05-03-06, 17:29
As posted by some fellow members before this sauna is located at the corner of Wu Ning Lu and Chang Shou Lu.

Pluto NYC and I decided to check it out for quality especially on public holidays period.

The facilities is great compared to Da Tang Yu Jin, Waves and even Yu Ping. Very nicely decorated and all facilities is clean. They even have a TV on each shower cubicals.

The open rest area has rows of Easy chair that decline to 45 degrees backwards and an 12" LCD TV on each of them.

A small dinning area for you to catch some quick bites. Some items on menus are free, while items like tonic soup are chargeable. To know which are included in the package; it is easy; those without price tag are inclusive.

20 VIP rooms: with Minimum spending of 480RMB. VIPS rooms fitted with 42' LCD TV, Computer for internet access via Broadband.

Normal Massage package is 498 for Massage (45mins) and Sauna facilities without Extras.
FS massage (90) is price at 988 which includes everything.

Additional Foot Massage is price at 208 for 45min (Package 1) and 408 for 90mins includes HJ. (Package 2)

FS Massage includes Rimming, BBBJ, nude body massage, and Sxx. There are no Red Rope service as none of the rooms are fitted with the overheads hanging bars. No Line ups for you to chose. Manager told me that none of the girls speaks English.

I had a girl from Wen Zhou no. 602 about 1.68 C Cups. 7/10, 23 years old. She told me that most of the girls are off back to home town because of the holidays.

Spoke to the manager and got a free foot massage (45mins) for both of us. Except we have to pay 100 for tips to the Foot massage girls because they do not get any salary from the Sauna.

Total Damage for 1 person tonight : 988 + 100 = 1088.

Details as follows:
智慧泉, 长寿路839号, 智慧广场5楼
839 Changshou Lu, Hitech Plaza
5th floor.
Corner Changshou Lu of and Wu Ning Lu.
Tel: (21)-6231-9999
Manager: Mr. Zhang
Cell# 13916763488

Price is high compared to the few popular Saunas mentioned on the board but if like to be spoilt, the place is quite nice. The service from my girl, I should think that it is just about the same as the other saunas.

Enjoy!
AG

Monkey King
05-03-06, 17:40
The nearest BBS strip that I know is in Dong Zhu An Ban Lu BBSs on both sides of the road.

There is a Sauna (so called Japanese Sauna by some board members because of the Japanese words at the Entrance).

If you are at the south end of Xuhui districts may be you want to try the Village.

Enjoy!
AGThanks for the info. Unfortunately I live near Damuqiao Lu and Zhaojiabang Lu, a bit south. My office is down by the Minghang Carrefour... the village there is alive and kicking. Search for Capt Iota and Asian Rain's old posts for good info.

I've been trying to find something more local though for late night takeouts. Nothing sucks like getting the midnight munchies and not having any snacks around.

Been to the Dongzhuanbang sauna a long time ago from my early days in Shanghai. Decent from what I remember. Some tight young Heilongjiang girls.

Best to all,

MK

Diver98
05-03-06, 17:41
I have always wondered if since the massage is really priced by the time, i.e, 45 minutes or 90 minutes, and it includes bbbj, and fs, if you can have multiple shots. I.E., bbbj to completion, rest and fool around, and then fs to completion within the 90 minutes. I just wondered what the general policy is, I realize if the girl really likes you anything is possible. I've read every sauna report in Bejing and Shanghai, and I've never really seen that issue addressed, what is your opinion?


As posted by some fellow members before this sauna is located at the corner of Wu Ning Lu and Chang Shou Lu.


Normal Massage package is 498 for Massage (45mins) and Sauna facilities without Extras.

FS massage (90) is price at 988 which includes everything.

Additional Foot Massage is price at 208 for 45min (Package 1) and 408 for 90mins includes HJ. (Package 2)

FS Massage includes Rimming, BBBJ, nude body massage, and Sxx. There are no Red Rope service as none of the rooms are fitted with the overheads hanging bars. No Line ups for you to chose. Manager told me that none of the girls speaks English.

Total Damage for 1 person tonight : 988 + 100 = 1088.

Details as follows:
智慧泉, 长寿路839号, 智慧广场5楼
839 Changshou Lu, Hitech Plaza
5th floor.
Corner Changshou Lu of and Wu Ning Lu.
Tel: (21)-6231-9999
Manager: Mr. Zhang
Cell# 13916763488

Price is high compared to the few popular Saunas mentioned on the board but if like to be spoilt, the place is quite nice. The service from my girl, I should think that it is just about the same as the other saunas.

Enjoy!

AG

Monkey King
05-03-06, 17:49
As posted by some fellow members before this sauna is located at the corner of Wu Ning Lu and Chang Shou Lu.

Pluto NYC and I decided to check it out for quality especially on public holidays period.

The facilities is great compared to Da Tang Yu Jin, Waves and even Yu Ping. Very nicely decorated and all facilities is clean. They even have a TV on each shower cubicals.

The open rest area has rows of Easy chair that decline to 45 degrees backwards and an 12" LCD TV on each of them.

A small dinning area for you to catch some quick bites. Some items on menus are free, while items like tonic soup are chargeable. To know which are included in the package; it is easy; those without price tag are inclusive.

20 VIP rooms: with Minimum spending of 480RMB. VIPS rooms fitted with 42' LCD TV, Computer for internet access via Broadband.

Normal Massage package is 498 for Massage (45mins) and Sauna facilities without Extras.
FS massage (90) is price at 988 which includes everything.

Additional Foot Massage is price at 208 for 45min (Package 1) and 408 for 90mins includes HJ. (Package 2)

FS Massage includes Rimming, BBBJ, nude body massage, and Sxx. There are no Red Rope service as none of the rooms are fitted with the overheads hanging bars. No Line ups for you to chose. Manager told me that none of the girls speaks English.

I had a girl from Wen Zhou no. 602 about 1.68 C Cups. 7/10, 23 years old. She told me that most of the girls are off back to home town because of the holidays.

Spoke to the manager and got a free foot massage (45mins) for both of us. Except we have to pay 100 for tips to the Foot massage girls because they do not get any salary from the Sauna.

Total Damage for 1 person tonight : 988 + 100 = 1088.

Details as follows:
智慧泉, 长寿路839号, 智慧广场5楼
839 Changshou Lu, Hitech Plaza
5th floor.
Corner Changshou Lu of and Wu Ning Lu.
Tel: (21)-6231-9999
Manager: Mr. Zhang
Cell# 13916763488

Price is high compared to the few popular Saunas mentioned on the board but if like to be spoilt, the place is quite nice. The service from my girl, I should think that it is just about the same as the other saunas.

Enjoy!
AGNice insight. I've always wanted to make a pilgrimage there. There were some old posts with some high praise about the physical quality of the girls. If true, I'll have to see for myself after the girls come back from holiday.

Changde Lu map=excellent! Do any of the green boxes marked on the map allow takeout?

MK

Ace Gallant
05-03-06, 18:25
Hi AG,

My impression of you is that you really have been travelling around the world, ENVY! Haha.

YES your right, I am from Singapore and THE word I use don't really have a meaning. Its just an expression used by singaporeans to describe.

Hard to explain with words here but the meaning is about the same as "What The Hell"

Thanks for the advise on the timing for tong ren lu. Sad to hear that there isnt much going on in the holidays. Think I will just stick to shanghai hotel.

Thanks again.

Yes, I travel worldwide thoughtout the year round.

I did however spend a number of years in Singapore.

I was in Tong Ren Lu tonight, looks like some of the crowd started to come back from holidays. But whether there are people or people, most of the girls are still there, we are there for the girls and not for the people right? So What the hag...let's enjoy ourselves! :)

PS: Is that the way you use "What the Hag"?

AG

Ace Gallant
05-03-06, 18:28
Not a report, just some info.

I was a bit early for a dinner date at the Hengshan Hotel so I went to take a look around and on the 2nd floor I was welcomed by the hostess of Hengshan Hotel Jin Bi Hu Sauna. She explained they have a Sexy Massage for 700RMB.

I didn't feel like TOFTT (and didn't have that kind of cash) but wonder if anyone else has been to this place.

2F Hengshan Hotel, Hengshan Lu 534
6471 1290

Its funny buddy.... you didn't have that kind of cash to pay 700 for sexy massage and you spent 1088 tonight at Zhi Hui Sauna together with me tonight....

Sorry... I kind of grag you in on that....

AG

Ace Gallant
05-03-06, 18:42
Pluto and I went on an hunt for new BBS spots around Shanghai South Train Station this evening.

We figure out that wherever there is crowd there should be pussies. We start on the North side of the station walking 1km North and headed back seeing that we are wndering off the wrong directions, We headed back South and still no sign of BBS.

Went East and found one shabby little Foot massage place filled with 5 X 5/10 girls. Definately a HJ only shop. We headed South East passed Zhong Hua University into Bai She Lu, Passed shops and finally came to 3 BBS of which one of them is not open. Girls in there are like 4/10 - 6/10. Cross the road and saw one BBS filled with 7 or 8 farm girls. they are ok 6/10 - 7/10 but the problem is once we opened the door and walked in, a strong smell from the rooms behind the shop stopped us from even going further to ask about the price. But from the words that the girls are saying; it seems that is is a HJ only BBS. We did not even bother and headed out of the shop.

By than we had cover at least 8 KM on foot; we decided to get on a cab and find ourselves a nice hot pool to soak ourself in.

Mission Results: Mission Failed.

Further Intelligence required from any fellow members.

AG out.

Prince Leo
05-03-06, 18:56
You are right, AG. "What the hag" is just the "cleaner" way to say "what the fuck/hell". In California, and majority of the US "heck" is used instead of "hag", but I have seen some use "hag" in the states as well.

What the hell am I talking about this on ISG? What the fuck. :)


It is strange, I assume Asiansing you are from Singapore because I have a few Singaporean friends that uses "What the Hag". I couldn't figure out what that means. May be it is a Singaporean Term????

It is same as "What the Fuck" or "What's the Hell?"

Please Enlighten
AG

Ace Gallant
05-03-06, 18:58
while i was making out the map on chang de lu, an incident which happened to me hit my mind. it happened in an internet cafe on xin feng lu. i remembered that i did not made a posting on that incident because i was heading out on a trip.

it so happened that when i just moved into my new rent place on chang de lu, i had no broadband at home yet and therefore went to a nearby internet cafe on xin feng lu just off chang de lu to access my emails.

i was seated next to a young girl 20 years old. when i finish all my emails, i looked around (busybody) and noticed the girl next to me was on qq chatting. she noticed me peeping at her and we started talking. it seems that she was peeping at me doing my emails because she was asking me questions like where i learnt my english; and a lot more.

i got to found out that she had also put up ads on some websites and got a lots of those qq contacts of expats living in shanghai. she also told me that a number of her friends who worked in bbs nearby come to that internet cafe and chat with expat on qq.

we became friends and i eventually paid for her service a couple times.

now, i know a numbers of fellow members are very into these qq thing. so from this incident i got to know that those ladies you are chatting with on qq, you will not know who they really are. they may be working in bbs but tell you they are students from the university.

so be careful!
ag

Cap Iota
05-03-06, 19:01
nice map AG, i never walk north of yuyao lu but it looks like I might have to make a trip soon. What would help would be listing them by what services they offer. here's one. there's a FS BBS shop on Wuding lu, close to Chang de lu. 200rmb gets you a bbbj and FS in a small cramped room upstairs.

Also, quick question...you list 3 BBSs on Xin Zha lu. I don't remember seeing any BBSs on that street.

capiota

Ace Gallant
05-03-06, 19:01
You are right, AG. "What the hag" is just the "cleaner" way to say "what the fuck/hell". In California, and majority of the US "heck" is used instead of "hag", but I have seen some use "hag" in the states as well.

What the hell am I talking about this on ISG? What the fuck. :)

I am from Califionia too; as you said; some of us use "What the Heck" and most often "What the Hell" or even "What the Dam!"

But HEY! What the HELL am I trying to do here? Teaching English?

AG

Ace Gallant
05-03-06, 19:10
nice map AG, i never walk north of yuyao lu but it looks like I might have to make a trip soon. What would help would be listing them by what services they offer. here's one. there's a FS BBS shop on Wuding lu, close to Chang de lu. 200rmb gets you a bbbj and FS in a small cramped room upstairs.

Also, quick question...you list 3 BBSs on Xin Zha lu. I don't remember seeing any BBSs on that street.

capiota

No, that aren't going to work. If you count all those tiny dots (representing BBS), there are at least 30 of them. I can't be going into each one of them (Although I had gone to at least 60% of them) asking for their services and price. If I do that, oh man... I'll be famous guy in Chang De Lu man...!

Besides; I withness that girls move from one BBS to another. In some BBS, some girls does GS and some doesn't, So I will be interviewing all the girls in all the 30 BBSs??

Yes, there are 3 BBS on Xin Zha Lu. I use one of them before. The other 2, I noticed them from the familar Barber Shop spining light pole. Frankly I had not gone back there but I think they should still exist. Found them while walking toward ZY Pub from Chang De Lu. If the map is bigger, I should be able to show ZY Pub on the map too!

Enjoy
AG

Ace Gallant
05-03-06, 19:16
BJ Boy, though I have only a few post to my name, I did do my homework on saunas in the forum and I have been to most of them. I am only trying to find new places to explore. Anyway, I presume bath houses are quite different from saunas as they provide different services.

WHAT THE HAG, This is just the way we say stuff back from my country. I will stop using it in this forum if it pleases you DUH!

I think you better start exploring more and writting more informative post before you get rude replies from Senior Board Members.

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant
05-03-06, 19:18
nice map AG, i never walk north of yuyao lu but it looks like I might have to make a trip soon. What would help would be listing them by what services they offer. here's one. there's a FS BBS shop on Wuding lu, close to Chang de lu. 200rmb gets you a bbbj and FS in a small cramped room upstairs.

Also, quick question...you list 3 BBSs on Xin Zha lu. I don't remember seeing any BBSs on that street.

capiota

I think you are talking about Chang Ping Lu instead of Xin Zha Lu. Chang Ping Lu is a Major Street and if you walk both directions, you will find no BBS on that road.

If you look at my map, the BBS you mentioned is also indicated on it.

AG

Ace Gallant
05-04-06, 01:48
Nice insight. I've always wanted to make a pilgrimage there. There were some old posts with some high praise about the physical quality of the girls. If true, I'll have to see for myself after the girls come back from holiday.

Changde Lu map=excellent! Do any of the green boxes marked on the map allow takeout?

MK

Those marked with green boxes are not necessary allow take outs. But they are excellent looking girl/girls or girls with great service. Take out is more depending on the girls. How you negotiate with them. Remember, in mongering, money is king!

Enjoy
AG

Ace Gallant
05-04-06, 02:02
I have always wondered if since the massage is really priced by the time, i.e, 45 minutes or 90 minutes, and it includes bbbj, and fs, if you can have multiple shots. I.E., bbbj to completion, rest and fool around, and then fs to completion within the 90 minutes. I just wondered what the general policy is, I realize if the girl really likes you anything is possible. I've read every sauna report in Bejing and Shanghai, and I've never really seen that issue addressed, what is your opinion?

You had the same question with a couple of member before. They PM me asking whether can they get a second shot in.

Yes, most of the Sauna goes by the time of 90 mins ( 2 points = 两个钟 ) for FS massage. If you can finish fast and recover fast, you can ask the girls to do the second shot. Normally you should always tell the girls from the start that you want to do that. I had friends that complained that their girls will not let them do it because they did not negotiate will them from the start. Some more experience girls do not like BBBJ because they also knows the danger of Bare Back.

IMHO: if you have any wounds on your brother it is better that you do not do BBBJ because who knows? Your girls may have a sore or wound in her mouth too! HIV transmit though blood, it is safe only if one of you is wounds free.

Come back to second shot; yes it is possible. And chance of Yes from the girl is: If you tell her up front and if you finish off fast.

If you noticed most of the girls will keep you in the rooms until your time is up, regardless whether how fast you finish. Some Sauna even have a policy that the girls are not allow to let you off early or they will be fined (Yu Ping Sauna does that) so if you insist on going out early, the girls will need to cal the front desk and have you verify on the phone that you want to go to the resting area. This is to prevent some girls from been lazy or the guest complaining that they did not get full 90mins.

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant
05-04-06, 02:23
Thanks for the info. Unfortunately I live near Damuqiao Lu and Zhaojiabang Lu, a bit south. My office is down by the Minghang Carrefour... the village there is alive and kicking. Search for Capt Iota and Asian Rain's old posts for good info.

I've been trying to find something more local though for late night takeouts. Nothing sucks like getting the midnight munchies and not having any snacks around.

Been to the Dongzhuanbang sauna a long time ago from my early days in Shanghai. Decent from what I remember. Some tight young Heilongjiang girls.

Best to all,

MK

If you live that far down there, you should try out the BBS strip alone the road behind Carrefour. I think the road name is Gu Mei Xi Lu ( 古美西路 ) or Wan Yuan Lu ( 万源路 ) I can't remember exactly the Road names. I know the direction of the road : If you are coing from downtown along Lian Hua Lu, the first road to the right after after Carrefour. Turn right into the road about 10 metres you see the first BBS. the road will split into one smaller road on the left and the other continues right. THe smaller road on the left are filled with BBSs.

The Village is out further north near the Hongqiao Airport. So I guess the place behind Carrefour is nearer for you. You will find this place a lot simliar to the Village.

Enjoy!
AG

Angstman
05-04-06, 03:40
This is the big oily hand place posted about before on Shaanxi lu, close to Zhaojiabang lu. I'm not into bbs or fs. Just love a nice massage and oily tug. Now, I've never used the sauna services here, but there seems to be a 2nd and 3rd floor. I always go to 3rd floor for the massage -- never ventured onto 2nd floor. Most of the girls aren't on the higher end of the looks scale, but I managed to find some with great attitudes.

I recently had #95 -- maybe 6/10 looks and thats being generous. It was the second time I had her, and did not recognize her at first. The rooms are ok, but the doors are only semi-frosted so not totally private environment. She started a so-so massage, and noticed my prick was hard as a rock. She immediately pulled my pj's down, and started to give me a nice slow HJ. I was really stiff and taking a long time to pop. She spent over 30 mins milking my stick. I exploded, she gave me a nice hot towel wipe off, followed by a tummy rub, and boom I was hard again and ready for round 2 which was closed to another 20 mins HJ. Gave her 50kuai for her effort. She also offers take out.

They've recently lowered their prices. Can get a 90min massage for 130 + 100 house fee for the HJ. Recently had a big turn over, so most of my favorites are gone. Enjoy!

Oscar Maradona
05-04-06, 06:50
here's a couple add-on notes to asian gambler's earlier posts:

re. mission: search and destroy bbs around shanghai south train station post #5326.

after the seemingly endless circumnavigation of the massive train station, and the paltry discoveries along the way, we hop into a cab. forgot to mention that the girls in the bbss were actually pretty sad. in case you were wondering where all the young bbs lovelies end up after 10 or 15 years in the racket, well, we found the place. what do you do when you walk into a stinky bbs and there, looking up at you, smiling in all her cracked-tooth, bruised up glory is the nights main course? you leave. we did, in a hurry. these girls put the 'ei' in eiyaaa.

anyways, we hop into a cab, and... of course, we turn a corner or two and boom, we pass by one of shanghai's 'big, flashy, ho-house'(tm). it had all the makings of something good -- vegas-style lights outside, and a patch of smallish shops, probabaly bbss rep001tered on either side of the same street, vendors bbqing something on the corner. ag and i just looked at each other, said 'there it is!' and shook our heads in disbelief. as luck would have it, we had just merged onto an onramp, and decided to pass it up for another day. ag, i don't know about you, but i doubt i could find the place again. oh well. next stop hitech!

re. hitech sauna = zhi hui quan post #5320
indeed it is a very high end, classy joint. great ammenities. there is a large whirlpool and two smaller pools with very hot, and coolish water in either. great for relaxing, especially after trekking the nether regions of shanghai south train station. i sessioned with a nice looking dongbei girl, 22, pert, very nice package all around. the price is high, sure, but somewhat reasonable considering the quality of the space, and its location right above a bank of china.

asian gambler left, i stuck around for another 45 minutes in the whirlpool and water-on-hot-rock sauna. good decompression. so i leave and am thinking hmmm, i think this is near changde lu.

on navigation.
its hard as fuck to find your way around this city.

generally speaking, i have a pretty good sense of direction and orientation. in cities, i'd usually use a combination of buildings, street names and other visible landmarks to get around. but here in shanghai, it doesn't seem to work (for me at least). many of the buildings are brand new, built within the last 600 days, or so and really look similar to one another. and the street names can be confusing, not because of the language (they use pinyin as well as chinese characters) but because the signage is not always so obvious. signs here commonly say what road is ahead, or left or right, and it can be confusing, especially if you don't know what road you are actually on at that moment. so you ask people, and they mostly ignore you, carrying on on their merry way.

so i walk out of hitech building and turned left. started asking people where changde lu is. i walked past a huge, famous ktv and asked some sw looking girls who were standing around waiting outside where changde lu is. they pointed left. ok, so keep going. then there's a small sidewalk bbq stand guy who says to turn left at the light. i think it was chicken that he was roasting, but you never really know for sure.

ok, left at light. a sign says yu yao lu, and i walk for about 6 blocks, and in that six blocks i pass many, maybe 12-15 bbss rep001tered on either side of the street. most were on a skeleton crew, as in 2 or 3 girls, sitting around playing cards. i think its great, but i'm trying to get back to changde lu for a visit with a newish favorita (who now says she's my wife). then i recognize a few bbss like the walk up (recommended) on asian's excellent map (chang de lu bbs heaven post #5317) and all is becoming clear. ah-hah!, there is changde lu. yay. turn left, enter china's other forbidden city. my new wife is happy as hag to see me, and we go do 'happy-oily-love-tug' in back room.

total damage for the evening: 1088, actually 1105 (i think they charged for a pepsi), plus 60 happy-tug, plus cab fare. plus, ahh fuck it, who's counting.

editor's note: i certainly hope that somebody will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread.

Cap Iota
05-04-06, 12:00
ok...got the following links from chatting in these chinese sites. most cost 400rmb/shot, 1,000rmb/night for incall. and i am sure u will need chinese skillz.

http://photo.163.com/photos/det7/
http://photo.163.com/photos/yii984/
http://photo.163.com/photos/k-mlsdg/
http://photo.163.com/photos/suni5201/

they all have their mobile numbers listed.. I talked to a couple and they did say that for the 1k LT, its unlimited shots.

have fun.
cap iota

Ace Gallant
05-04-06, 12:13
ok...got the following links from chatting in these chinese sites. most cost 400rmb/shot, 1,000rmb/night for incall. and i am sure u will need chinese skillz.

http://photo.163.com/photos/det7/
http://photo.163.com/photos/yii984/
http://photo.163.com/photos/k-mlsdg/
http://photo.163.com/photos/suni5201/

they all have their mobile numbers listed.. I talked to a couple and they did say that for the 1k LT, its unlimited shots.

have fun.
cap iota

I am not too sure that you can trust the photos....as you know...the Chinese are no. 1 in mocking up photography. I had once seen photos of a (not so popular) Japanese Actress post on one of the girl profile in the site www.EscortsChina.com

May be we should verify. I will try calling for one of them.

AG

Ace Gallant
05-04-06, 12:38
This is the big oily hand place posted about before on Shaanxi lu, close to Zhaojiabang lu. I'm not into bbs or fs. Just love a nice massage and oily tug. Now, I've never used the sauna services here, but there seems to be a 2nd and 3rd floor. I always go to 3rd floor for the massage -- never ventured onto 2nd floor. Most of the girls aren't on the higher end of the looks scale, but I managed to find some with great attitudes.

I recently had #95 -- maybe 6/10 looks and thats being generous. It was the second time I had her, and did not recognize her at first. The rooms are ok, but the doors are only semi-frosted so not totally private environment. She started a so-so massage, and noticed my prick was hard as a rock. She immediately pulled my pj's down, and started to give me a nice slow HJ. I was really stiff and taking a long time to pop. She spent over 30 mins milking my stick. I exploded, she gave me a nice hot towel wipe off, followed by a tummy rub, and boom I was hard again and ready for round 2 which was closed to another 20 mins HJ. Gave her 50kuai for her effort. She also offers take out.

They've recently lowered their prices. Can get a 90min massage for 130 + 100 house fee for the HJ. Recently had a big turn over, so most of my favorites are gone. Enjoy!

It is a Normal Massage place with a HJ as extra or is there any other services like foot massage, facilities like the hot pool?

And how much will the take out be?

AG

PS: I just noticed my post counts 666, oh man... the sex sex sex!!! it going to be another long night!!!

Angstman
05-04-06, 13:12
It is a Normal Massage place with a HJ as extra or is there any other services like foot massage, facilities like the hot pool?

And how much will the take out be?

AG

PS: I just noticed my post counts 666, oh man... the sex sex sex!!! it going to be another long night!!!AG,

Tell you the truth I have absolutely no clue about the other services. My taste is strictly vanilla, so I'm too chicken to even ask...hee hee. I know 1st floor has the shower and sauna facilities. 2nd fl has other stuff that I know nothing about. Most of the guys I see walk in there go straight to the 3rd floor like me. But I've also seen women going there for legit services I gather. I didn't inquire about #95's take out prices, she just gave me her number and said she can come to my home. Have fun!!

Unknown One
05-04-06, 17:08
I am not sure if this location has been posted before so I will go ahead with the potential prospects. Although I would think that most veterans should know their way around Shanghai, and the amount of "laowai" (foreigners) that wander in packs on that street, I think just maybe. It is on ZhaPu Road, or Zha Pu Lu. It is located 1 block west (or behind) the fairly new HengSheng Penninsula Hotel on Wu Song Lu. For those unfamiliar with location, Wu Song road crosses the Su Zhou river, and runs parallel with Huang Pu river. It is the road that The Bund (Wai Tan) is located on once you cross over Su Zhou river. So back on the northern side is the Heng Sheng Penninsula hotel. The rooms are nice, but cheaper. 395+ for a 4 star hotel. They ran out of the standard single-large-bed rooms so I had to take the 495 "Luxurious" bedrooms. Seems the same to me though.
Ok back to Zha Pu Lu. There are around 7 massage places on this road, mixed with all the restaurants, as well as street vendors. You can see all the cute hunnies sitting in there, but they do not have the traditional pink neon lighting. I went to the one next to the KTV that sits on the corner of Zha Pu Lu and another road I dont recall the name, but its right before you cross the bridge to get to the Bund side. I walked past this place and the girl motioned me to go in. Inside she asked me what kind of massage I wanted and I responded in the most delicious manner of a "head massage". What follows is the typical backroom of these places, and its cleanliness scale rates for me a 2 star hotel best. They offer foot massages as well, and you pick a normal massage (mine was the 48RMB one) plus I wanted a quick oral polish (which cost 100 RMB). She was pretty friendly, and took her time. Upon my persuasion, she actually did the deed completely naked for me, because I just love that. Unnecessary nudity..... mmm hmmm. I think the price actually includes FS. I wasnt interested but she seemed to be prepared for it. I told her I just finished work and needed a bit of release. Not a bad place, and on this small 1 block strip there are 7 different places to choose from. However, go there later because it is absolutely packed with people earlier on and I dont know how comfortable you are with walking into this place with all eyes on you. One another note, there are a few seemingly legitmate places as well. I can only guess. The main difference I noticed are:
Legitimate: Inside are a row of lounge chairs where the patrons lays back and you get the proper foot massage, pedicures, feet baths etc etc. This is in plain view from the street.
Fun-legitimate: Inside is a small front room with a couch and all the ladies are sitting on them in scantily clad clothing. This is also in plain view from the streets. Checking out a girl will prompt her to motion you over with a hand gesture and a smile. Like I said, alot of foreigners walk this street, so nobody will stand out, but most of them I see walking with their wives. I dont think anybody is going into these places prior to 10PM, it is simply to busy on the streets. It might be later, I was there near midnight and it was still pretty crowded, but more drunks now that didnt bother with what I was doing.

Hope this helps, have fun!

As a side note, the Heng Sheng Penninsula hotel offers incall massage services, but I think it is legitimate. The girls coming into your room are dressed in uniforms. My first girl wasnt that attractive. Her successor I replaced with was really pretty from Zhe Jiang, and I got her number for a date instead :)

Phil Atio
05-04-06, 18:26
Hi there,

I'm new to Shanghai and will be here for a few months. Can anyone help with good places near Yunnan Rd (near People Square and Huahai Park) area? I've also read the magazine City Weekend and there are ads for Outcall massage service. Are these any good, will they have FS?

Recommendations for posts for newbie.

Thanks,

PA

Ace Gallant
05-05-06, 05:31
Hi there,

I'm new to Shanghai and will be here for a few months. Can anyone help with good places near Yunnan Rd (near People Square and Huahai Park) area? I've also read the magazine City Weekend and there are ads for Outcall massage service. Are these any good, will they have FS?

Recommendations for posts for newbie.

Thanks,

PA

Here we go again.....

Read post no. 4772 if you don't get what you want, Search the Forum for "Yunnan Rd".

RTFF!

AG

Jman90024
05-05-06, 07:37
I don't think any one of these are real pictures. I used to like to explore apartment and QQ girls. However, there are a lot of disappointments even though there are some gems as well. The usual trick is to get you there with the photo and will make try hard to make you stay. The key is to be able to walk away.


ok...got the following links from chatting in these chinese sites. most cost 400rmb/shot, 1,000rmb/night for incall. and i am sure u will need chinese skillz.

http://photo.163.com/photos/det7/
http://photo.163.com/photos/yii984/
http://photo.163.com/photos/k-mlsdg/
http://photo.163.com/photos/suni5201/

they all have their mobile numbers listed.. I talked to a couple and they did say that for the 1k LT, its unlimited shots.

have fun.
cap iota

Shiofuki
05-05-06, 08:09
[QUOTE=Asian Gambler]
Some the nicer ones :

Ying Zi : You will know her with her long silky hair. Nice butts and the best dancer in B.Angels. Fair English and very passionate./QUOTE]

I have to agree with Bro. Asian Gambler on this one. During my trip last November I became a semi-regular of B.A. Ying Zi definitely has the butt. I was able to also to get her to come over one afternoon to where I was staying (the serviced apartments at the Shanghai Centre). She was a little mercenary there, and I overpaid, but I couldn't resist that butt in the moment.

Asiansing
05-05-06, 08:56
I was down there last night. First time so did not really know what to expect. Had drinks with a girl called xue er nice short cute gal but a bit on the rough side. Nothing much to report on only that some how last night, I got cheated by the gals there to buy them drinks non stop. I was a little drunk so kept saying OKAY.

Once I get the bill, I woke up straight away. It was a wopping 1910. WOW! They sure know how to cheat people on their drinks. Though I was cheated, I still had a happy time there and would be back there soon.

Just a reminder, careful on the gals. They really know how to humour you to buy them drinks. BEcareful. Dun be as careless as me.

Ace Gallant
05-05-06, 09:03
[QUOTE=Asian Gambler]
Some the nicer ones :

Ying Zi : You will know her with her long silky hair. Nice butts and the best dancer in B.Angels. Fair English and very passionate./QUOTE]

I have to agree with Bro. Asian Gambler on this one. During my trip last November I became a semi-regular of B.A. Ying Zi definitely has the butt. I was able to also to get her to come over one afternoon to where I was staying (the serviced apartments at the Shanghai Centre). She was a little mercenary there, and I overpaid, but I couldn't resist that butt in the moment.

Oh Yah... isn't she great? Especially when she rides you and do that spinning action! She just made me shot the full load into her! However I found her a bit too wet from the start. And her butts!!! Oh man!!! when you do her anal...the two meaty butts just bang bang bang onto your hips!

I only did her bare back because she took pills and she does not go out with just any customer. You are lucky to get her out, she don't usually do that service. Although I done her as a freebie; it was more of she wanting something (not Money) from me.

By the way how much did she took from you? Unfortunately I can't report much about the price of each girls because most of the girls I done in B.Angels are freebie to me. I don't mean to be boastful but I think most of the longer serving girls in Angel like me mainly because I was able to help them in translating from Chinese to English or vice versa, also sometimes I do them some favors like writting application letters for them to apply Visas, buying duty free cosmetiics (sometimes I even give them as gifts), booking cheap airtickets, etc and what's their pay back?

The few I mentioned in my posting about asking price of some of the girls are not neccessary I had paid for their service before. It may be indicative price which they told me over casual conversation or price that I had actually paid. I do pay for girls once in a while, not very nice to get freebies all the time, I believe if we do too many freebies, they will catch up on you sooner or later. Especially those girls that I think will be very sticky and emotionally attached to you if you have them for free. Sometimes it is better to pay and you are not oblicated to asked them to get lost when you are done with her!

Enjoy
AG

Ace Gallant
05-05-06, 10:51
dear fellow mongers:

i had been receiving pms from fellow member asking me about how to get freebies. some members whom i know personally had also been asking me to write something about this. so therefore this is my first attempt to compile the ten essential skills in getting freebies.

i must stress that i am not an expert in this field but with my little skills with girls; i managed my way round, so fellow members please pm me if i wrote anything wrongly or you think opinion differs from yours.

the approach:

1) be humorous but not a crown! first impression counts a lot. humor is the best way to break the ice with the girls. regardless whether she is a chinese, japanese, westerners or russian, etc. 90% of the girls i had as freebies liked me and remembered me from my first meeting with them because of my humor. even you are not humorous, a smile will not hurt you.

2) make yourself approachable. do not stare at any of the girls unless you really do not want to sleep with her or you want to be seen as a pervert! if any girl attracts you, look at them with a smile. if you are sitting at the bar, do not face inwards unless you are attempting to seduce the lady bartender (oh yah… sometimes lady bartenders can be great!) sit in an open position (your side leaning against the bar table). this is an open position which allows the girls to approach you and also a sign that you are approachable.

3) act naïve (not stupid) in love. chinese girls love men who are not so smart in handling girls. the smarter you act the most they thinks they cannot control you. thus the harder they can “milk” you. girls do not like stupid man either. the difference between stupid and naïve is “a stupid man will not be able to learn the right things while a naïve man, given the right length of time can be trained to do what the girl want him to do” (get the picture?)

4) be honest about yourself. do not lie. but you do not have to tell them everything about yourself. do not lie to them that you will marry them if you just want them as freebies or else you will get into a lot of trouble getting rid of them later. make sure that their willing let you in and not because they wants attachment to you. it is easy to say but difficult to do. however, chinese girls are more open minded than you thought they are; they understands that sex does not means marriage. neither will the girl will take it that their cherry to you is their marriage security.

the conversation:

5) ask them about what are their plans for life. from their conversation you can mapped out their thinking and thus position your conversation with them.

6) talk about travels, different places and people from other countries. most of these chinese girls are fascinated by the great overseas and long for someone can give them a chance to travel overseas to “see” the world.

7) talk about wanting a family. chinese are very family minded, they like man who are responsible and thus giving them security. talk about you dreams of retiring with the family to a nice place with a piece of own land and property. this is part of security to them. if you cook, tell them you make your own dinner. tell them your specialties. this is a sign to them that you can be a good husband. if you don’t cook; tell them that you love good food! (shows that you are a person who enjoys life and thus they can enjoy it with you!); yet another sign of security!


as reminded by albert punter; what about if you already have a family?
talking about future family, may drive the girl to think you want to have it with her ?

addition to point 7: if you are married, tell them you are married (in line with point no. 4 = be honest). it will reduce your chance for freebies from girls who really wants to marry (which is still a good thing! you filter out those that can get really sticky!). but: if you are married; you can tell them straight that you are married and loves your wife and children. makes you sounds even more attractive to some girls as it shows that you are a responsible person. however you can add in things like your family is not in china or you have not got enough of sex, you are too stress at work and really need someone not from family to talk to, etc ... a lot of girls in china do not mind been a mistress! (in line with point no. 4 = chinese girls are more open minded than you thought they are!) furthermore; it fits the description if "sex without strings attached" as she willingly agrees to be your mistress!

the act:

8) although the no. 1 preference of chinese girls is overseas returning chinese; if you have no language problems, rich (not show off! girls hates that), needs someone to take care of and thus taking care of someone (the girl themselves), you will likely be in their preference list. if language is a problem than make it a reason for you to know them better by asking them to teach you chinese in return for english lessons.

9) be a gentleman; keep your hands to yourself! although many girls in bars may say “dirty things” to you; these are only word they use to attract your attention! in traditional chinese culture; the girls do not like to be touch by strangers. the real tactics is to make them want you to touch them! little things like removing a tiny bit of tissue paper on left over on their face or peck of dust on their shoulders mean a lot to them. this is a sign of you been “caring” and girls like that a lot. other things like holding their hand while crossing the road; warning them of uneven grounds while walking and a lot of other little things has a lot of impact on them.

10) be generous (not stupid! remember i what said above?) i know a lot of you guys will think that i meant money. but no! not only in money! be generous with you praises. girls like to be told that they are young, pretty and killer bodies! be generously in your willingness to help. as i mentioned in one of my posting; sometime doing many little favors can earn you a free one night stand and more!

the conclusion:

the above are suggestive items you have to watch out for but a lot of times the skills in picking up a freebies depends a lot of skills in “carrying” yourself. the way you walk, talk and act plays a lot of part in the possibilities of having a girl to “want you”. of course sometimes also some men have more advantage of having a high position jobs and having lots of spare money , which will helps one way or another but pushing your way though by the use of money and power is likely to get you ripped off and thus not in the definitions of getting a freebies.

last notes:

you want freebies; sometimes you need to invest in a little more time. sometimes you might be lucky where you attracted the girl so much that she wants to sleeps with you on your first meeting. there are no straight rules to this.

you work yourself in and get out fast! or your freebie may turn into a long term luxury investment.

enjoy!
ag

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Ace Gallant
05-05-06, 16:26
I was down there last night. First time so did not really know what to expect. Had drinks with a girl called xue er nice short cute gal but a bit on the rough side. Nothing much to report on only that some how last night, I got cheated by the gals there to buy them drinks non stop. I was a little drunk so kept saying OKAY.

Once I get the bill, I woke up straight away. It was a wopping 1910. WOW! They sure know how to cheat people on their drinks. Though I was cheated, I still had a happy time there and would be back there soon.

Just a reminder, careful on the gals. They really know how to humour you to buy them drinks. BEcareful. Dun be as careless as me.

Too bad... I think you willingly got yourself "cheated" because I mentioned many times in my posting, Blue Angels is basically a scam bar. They will ask you to buy drink after drinks after drinks... Remember the girls salary there is only 1000 per month, they have to live on 10rmb commission per drink. More drink you buy, more they earn. An average girls brings home 4000 a month. So 2000 is from Commission that's 3000/10 = 300 drinks, 300/26 working days = 11 drink a night.

Not to mention.... they have average of 40 girls working in Angel per night. 440 drinks per night and that is only the girls part! Catherina the boss is making lots of money and careless mongers are losing lots of money!

Especially when you play games with them like dice, and the worst is pool, if you win you buy the drinks they drink, if you lose you a round of shots (normally sex on the beach) to every girl "hanging around your table. I have seen lots of silly guys having a few girls sitting at the bench near the first pool table waiting for their chance.

Oh also... I forgot to mentioned: In my previous post about B.Angels. Ying Zhi the best dancer, has left for studies in UK. Too bad... going to miss her spinning cowgirl riding... ;)

AG

Bnlee2
05-05-06, 17:12
However you can add in things like your family is not in China or you have not got enough of sex, you are too stress at work and really need someone not from family to talk to, etc ... A lot of girls in China do not mind been a mistress! (In line with Point No. 4 = Chinese girls are more Open minded than you thought they are!) Furthermore; it fits the description if "Sex without strings attached" as she willingly agrees to be your mistress![/red]

AG


Great post. i found that your quote on item7 to be very true. never lied to the girls. i usually tell the upfront that im married. chinese girls nowadays are very open to being a Mistress. they know their position and are happy with it.

great post

Cap Iota
05-05-06, 17:33
nice shoes, wanna fuck? works great with chinese gurlz.

Ace Gallant
05-05-06, 18:25
nice shoes, wanna fuck? works great with chinese gurlz.

IMHO:

Don't think it will works with all the girls, especially Shanghai girls; you are likely to get a slap on your face. So be careful!

So.... I do not recommend this unless you are in Bars and flirting with the professionals.

Don't know how to add this comment into my post??

Thanks for the input anyways.

AG

Ace Gallant
05-05-06, 18:28
However you can add in things like your family is not in China or you have not got enough of sex, you are too stress at work and really need someone not from family to talk to, etc ... A lot of girls in China do not mind been a mistress! (In line with Point No. 4 = Chinese girls are more Open minded than you thought they are!) Furthermore; it fits the description if "Sex without strings attached" as she willingly agrees to be your mistress![/red]

AG


Great post. i found that your quote on item7 to be very true. never lied to the girls. i usually tell the upfront that im married. chinese girls nowadays are very open to being a Mistress. they know their position and are happy with it.

great post

Thanks.

And yes... giving false hopes are the worst thing you can give to a person.

AG

Ace Gallant
05-05-06, 18:54
ok...got the following links from chatting in these chinese sites. most cost 400rmb/shot, 1,000rmb/night for incall. and i am sure u will need chinese skillz.

http://photo.163.com/photos/det7/
http://photo.163.com/photos/yii984/
http://photo.163.com/photos/k-mlsdg/
http://photo.163.com/photos/suni5201/

they all have their mobile numbers listed.. I talked to a couple and they did say that for the 1k LT, its unlimited shots.

have fun.
cap iota

I called this all of them this evening

and guess what?

http://photo.163.com/photos/yii984/
http://photo.163.com/photos/suni5201/

although different number, same person pick up the mobile!

The first call ask me if I am local and told me that she do not do locals. When I told her that I am ABC, she asked for 2000 per shot. I told her that I am not first time paying for such service and started speaking to her in a little Shanghainese, immediately the price drops to 1000 ST.... I told her for 600 I get LT from xxx bars at Maoming Lu, she than counter offer 1000 LT and guarantee that her service is much much better the those girls at Maoming lu. Told her I will call back.

Second call; girl did not pick up the call...

Third call; same girl as the first call pick up and I asked the same questions, when she realized she spoken to me she hung up!

Fourth call, girl said she is not free at the moment and ask me to call back, which I never did.

AG

Albert Punter
05-05-06, 20:43
Telling the girl you are married, it is more challenging, as she knows what to expect.
In addition you create a selection, as AG well stated.
Sometimes, but very rare, you may even create interest, as girls may not be interested in finding a BF, but just a casual companionship.

Again AG states that girls are attracted by responsible and mature guys, and generally married men are considered such.
So married men may have this plus. Even in case girls are looking for BF and LTR, they may be curious to know you .....



Thanks.

And yes... giving false hopes are the worst thing you can give to a person.

AG

Tequila Kid
05-06-06, 02:33
My experience is consistent with Asian Gambler’s “10 points to Freebies”


I had a great long term ( + 1 year) freebie relationship with a lady in Shenzhen. I was honest about my availability (married, children) and interest (find a girl friend in Shenzhen). She was not put off and found my "honesty" attractive.

Over time, I met several of her friends and family. They were all university educated, well off by China standards (own their car and condo) and progressive in their thinking about relationships and extra marital affairs.

In summary, I found Chinese women in their late twenties or early thirties starved for attention and "romantic love". Not satisfied with the practical aspects of arranged or convenient marriages, they are increasingly open to new things. Including relationships with western men. A married western man is not a turn-off to this group.


The “10 point to Freebies” works. It describes exactly how I ended up with my freebie.

TK

Oscar Maradona
05-06-06, 05:34
Asian Gambler really started a great thread here, but I am facing a different, but related problem: How to drop freebies?


Dear Fellow mongers:

4) Be honest about yourself. Do not lie. But you do not have to tell them everything about yourself. Do not lie to them that you will marry them if you just want them as freebies or else you will get into a lot of trouble getting rid of them later.I found getting rid of them is difficult, regardless of being honest with them and not lying.

A few months ago I was able to hookup with a freebie that I met while eating with friends at the late-night hangout BiFengTang near the JinJiang Tower hotel. Basically, BiFengTang is like the local "Denny's" and is poular spot to go to after clubbing, bar crawling, etc.

Well, me and my friends were flirting with the girls at the next table and they ended up joining us. The following week, I took one of them out and then brought her back to mine.

Over the past month she has come over a few more times, but most recently she decided to bring a friend. Both are young, 21 and pretty hot, which generally is a very good thing!

Here's where it turns bad. We arranged to meet in the afternoon at Xujiahui, near a really big shopping mall called Grand Gateway -- a pretty expensive place. And the girls immediately decide it's shopping time. Ok, I've been around and can afford to get them each something, and of course buy some really good stuff for myself as well. As we're shopping, I get the sense that my girl is trying to show her friend how much control she has over me. She's doing the kind of smallish stuff that seems harmless but sends lots of messages: taking sunglasses off my face and putting them on herself; light jabbing, jibing, and other body language.

Ok, rather than just tell her to fuck off right there, I figure it would be good to work a 3-way before I give her the exit-pass. So we all head back to my place, girl proceeds to eat ALL the food in my place. ALL, every last bite! I could tell it was kind of embarassing for her friend. The girls are all so playful now that I spent a bit on each of them, like 80RMB for some Tshirt or skirt and I start making out with my girl. Then she asks me if I like her friend . Umm, yes.

So her friend comes over and sits on my lap, and my girl goes back into the kitchen! I can hear her rummaging around for more food! It's getting silly, so I get up and ask her if she wants to join, and she says to me that she's on the rag! So why'd you call? Because you were hungry and wanted to go shopping?!!

Sigh.

I check my cel and make up some shit about getting a text message that I have to go now. I walk them out and send them on their merry way. Never mean, just prompt.

Ok, so now to the heart of the matter: The girl has been calling non-stop. She probably calls even more now because senses she's losing her literal meal-ticket! She doesn't speak much English, So I explained on the phone that "Wo bu xihuan ni." translated: "I do not like you." and now just ignore her calls.

So, I spoke with AG about this and we agree that this is a at best a temporary solution. So, if anyone cares to contribute any experience in in dropping freebies, please do tell!

Hallo
05-06-06, 06:47
much have been said about this place but i cannot stop from writing about yesterdays experience. i went there at 1300 pm, and the place was almost empty. had the usual shower and the bath, and then decided to start the action. i still have a problem about getting this part right, and i ended up in the massage area. after a little while the manager showed, and took me to the right place. there i had my first linup! that alone was a hardon. the girls was smashing! not familiar whit the ranking system so i leave the 10, but the girls was 8+ and 9! i could not belive this. going to the hippest bar i shanghai, you could not find better looking girl. took my referens about pubic hair and picked one. then the action started. the usual fire&ice, redrope whit daty and then the real thing. we worked for at least 45 min in every posision imaginable. this was really great. i mean, can it get better than this? if you are here only once, this is the place. damage was 650. going soon again, thats for sure.

i had in mid going to a bbs before, for a complimentary hj, but they are always so forced, and not nice or descreet, so i bailed in half-time, making some comotion. never bbs again. save the money and go fore the real-thing. the only thing that i havent manage to get is a little peeing. i would love that.

Travel a Lot
05-06-06, 08:27
AG

10 rules are too true!

I have enjoyed a freebie in Shanghai for the past 18 months, one in Japan for 2 years and the rules of engagement are consistent. Honesty is a big part.

I will agree that if you rellay want a special GFE, go slow at the start. The girls who dont want sex, but rather affection & companionship make the long term investment of time (& Money) worth it. They will be loyal, as long as they think you are.

To drop a freebie - if they think you are not loyal, & therefore the meal ticket is gone - I'm sure they will get the message.

Have your next pick up answer the phone - a certain brush off i expect!

TAL

XXL
05-06-06, 11:41
Don't they say all men pay for sex even when they don't notice they do? Marriage being, of course, not only the most expensive kind of free sex, but the most expensive kind of sex in general. Freebies may develop such a sense of their entitlement that they get nasty, possibly calling in family or boy-friends to help them get their pound of flesh and resorting to all kinds of blackmail. Your fate then depends on how strong or how weak their bargaining position is in their country. A fellow monger - may he forgive me for quoting him anonymously - put it quite aptly on another sub-forum: "I never pay a woman for sex, I pay her to leave in the morning".

Asiansing
05-06-06, 11:56
Did anyone in The Forum tried the Sauna Place opposite Shanghai Hotel?

Looks cool from the outside.

Asiansing
05-06-06, 12:08
Yap, I admit I was careless at blue angle letting those gals cheat me off their drinks. Even though I have read AG's thread on pub blue angel being a scam bar, I guess I really need to experience it to know how to advoid being scam.

Reading about it is one thing, experiencing it is another. Haha. Perhaps I am just finding an excuse for myself.

Anyway, at least something came out of all this, Last night, the gal whom scam me of lots of drinks called me and wanted to meet me after her work at her place or mine. Too bad she finishes work at 5 or 6am in the morning, thats too late for me as i really needed to sleep in late today.

Has anyone in the forum tried Xue Er 雪儿 who is 23 and about 1.57 tall?

I learned from her that she does not shave her armpits which is a major turn off for me. This is really the reason why i did not meet her.

Monkey King
05-06-06, 12:13
This is the big oily hand place posted about before on Shaanxi lu, close to Zhaojiabang lu. I'm not into bbs or fs. Just love a nice massage and oily tug. Now, I've never used the sauna services here, but there seems to be a 2nd and 3rd floor. I always go to 3rd floor for the massage -- never ventured onto 2nd floor. Most of the girls aren't on the higher end of the looks scale, but I managed to find some with great attitudes.

I recently had #95 -- maybe 6/10 looks and thats being generous. It was the second time I had her, and did not recognize her at first. The rooms are ok, but the doors are only semi-frosted so not totally private environment. She started a so-so massage, and noticed my prick was hard as a rock. She immediately pulled my pj's down, and started to give me a nice slow HJ. I was really stiff and taking a long time to pop. She spent over 30 mins milking my stick. I exploded, she gave me a nice hot towel wipe off, followed by a tummy rub, and boom I was hard again and ready for round 2 which was closed to another 20 mins HJ. Gave her 50kuai for her effort. She also offers take out.

They've recently lowered their prices. Can get a 90min massage for 130 + 100 house fee for the HJ. Recently had a big turn over, so most of my favorites are gone. Enjoy!They still have HJ's? I used to go there regularly since it's right near my house. There were these two Chongqing girls that would do 'ping heng', two girl massage, and it was a piece of heaven. However earlier this year they said management was trying to go legit and no HJ's would be available in the future... So, I guess not then? Things are still fun in the monkey house?

MK

Ace Gallant
05-06-06, 18:33
Don't they say all men pay for sex even when they don't notice they do? Marriage being, of course, not only the most expensive kind of free sex, but the most expensive kind of sex in general. Freebies may develop such a sense of their entitlement that they get nasty, possibly calling in family or boy-friends to help them get their pound of flesh and resorting to all kinds of blackmail. Your fate then depends on how strong or how weak their bargaining position is in their country. A fellow monger - may he forgive me for quoting him anonymously - put it quite aptly on another sub-forum: "I never pay a woman for sex, I pay her to leave in the morning".

After some thoughts about the quote you mentioned from the fellow monger (I never pay a woman for sex, I pay her to leave in the morning), I think he make some sense.... otherwise he will be contradicting himself in the same statement. So I have to disagree with you.

IMHO:

OK let’s clear the first part: “Paying for sex” is when you agreed the girl/s a certain amount of money or returns before the sexual act occur. It has become a business transaction or a trade. But in a freebie situation, the girl/s let you have sex with her without any promise of returns. There is no business transaction happening in this case. Whether you decided to “Pay” later (Whether in money or other returns) is totally not considered a payment for sex. It is just like a tip you give to a waitress for her good service. Giving a tip, I do not see how that is connected as a payment for her service? But in this case…. I think what that fellow monger could also means that he did not agree to pay her for sex, but because she refused to leave, so he pays her to leave. If I read this sentence correctly….. I pay her to leave; and not; I paid her when she was leaving.

Secondly:

"Marriage being, of course, not only the most expensive kind of free sex, but the most expensive kind of sex in general": I think this actually means a man is paying his wife for sex? Marriage is a Business Transaction??? So what we are saying here, is that women married a man so that the man will pay her for sex? (It doesn't matter whether the payment is made with money). I think that is very mean! Sex is an important part of a marriage but sex is not the only part in a marriage.

Thirdly:

Girls get nasty and resorted try anything to get returns only when they think that they had been cheated. In this case it is likely that this man made promises for some from of returns and did not fulfill their promise/s after the service is performed. This was mentioned in my report Point No.4. If there are no promise of payment for sex and she threatens in some forms; that is blackmail; eventually if the payment is made, the payment is for the blackmail and not for sex transaction.

Finally:

There are girls who just want sex! Especially in some places like Japan where girls are very open minded, curious and enjoys sex. There are also a lot of such girls in China that seeks no returns for sex.

Having freebies doesn’t necessary means you need to have sex with the girl! Sometimes you just want their companionships and they just want yours, again there are no business transactions. But companionships can also leads to sex later…who knows? So, in conclusion; girls have sex with a man not because they only want returns from the man. As I had mentioned in some of my postings on this subject; Get in and get out fast before there is any emotional attachment = this is mongering.

Enjoy
AG

Ace Gallant
05-06-06, 18:55
Yap, I admit I was careless at blue angle letting those gals cheat me off their drinks. Even though I have read AG's thread on pub blue angel being a scam bar, I guess I really need to experience it to know how to advoid being scam.

Reading about it is one thing, experiencing it is another. Haha. Perhaps I am just finding an excuse for myself.

Anyway, at least something came out of all this, Last night, the gal whom scam me of lots of drinks called me and wanted to meet me after her work at her place or mine. Too bad she finishes work at 5 or 6am in the morning, thats too late for me as i really needed to sleep in late today.

Has anyone in the forum tried Xue Er 雪儿 who is 23 and about 1.57 tall?

I learned from her that she does not shave her armpits which is a major turn off for me. This is really the reason why i did not meet her.

It is the new Xue Er or the previous Xue Er that had left the returned recently? There are actually 2 of them! One works on the 3rd Floor and the other is sometime on 2nd and 1st floor. Both are just as short!

Do's and Don'ts:

Here is the que; if she agrees to meet you after work, you are not oblicated to offer her any payments; in other words you had worked up a freebie.

However if you had asked or agree for her extra after work service; do not agree to a fee that is higher or equals than the market price of 150 - 300 ST (2 hours) or 300 - 800 LT (8 hours) Your bargaining power is that you can pull the same deal off the streets anytime and you do not need to wait till their after their work hours. Not unless you are maddly in love with her!

Do not wait for her till her after work hours in the Blue Angels! You are sending an invitations to the girls to scam you off at least over 3000 for the continous flow of drinks!

If agreements is made for her to meet you in your hotel or house after work hours, do not advertise to anyone in the Blue Angels. This increase your chance of getting her as freebie or if you agrees on payment for service; it will increase the chance of she completing the transaction. (I heard this from a few girls from Blue Angels) That the boss has a strict rules about having girls selling such service or sleeping with guest without having her know about it. (I don't know what that got to do with the boss anyways.... may be she is just jealous that she is over 30 and still single?)

Ace Gallant
05-06-06, 19:02
Asian Gambler really started a great thread here, but I am facing a different, but related problem: How to drop freebies?

I found getting rid of them is difficult, regardless of being honest with them and not lying.

A few months ago I was able to hookup with a freebie that I met while eating with friends at the late-night hangout BiFengTang near the JinJiang Tower hotel. Basically, BiFengTang is like the local "Denny's" and is poular spot to go to after clubbing, bar crawling, etc.

Well, me and my friends were flirting with the girls at the next table and they ended up joining us. The following week, I took one of them out and then brought her back to mine.

Over the past month she has come over a few more times, but most recently she decided to bring a friend. Both are young, 21 and pretty hot, which generally is a very good thing!

Here's where it turns bad. We arranged to meet in the afternoon at Xujiahui, near a really big shopping mall called Grand Gateway -- a pretty expensive place. And the girls immediately decide it's shopping time. Ok, I've been around and can afford to get them each something, and of course buy some really good stuff for myself as well. As we're shopping, I get the sense that my girl is trying to show her friend how much control she has over me. She's doing the kind of smallish stuff that seems harmless but sends lots of messages: taking sunglasses off my face and putting them on herself; light jabbing, jibing, and other body language.

Ok, rather than just tell her to fuck off right there, I figure it would be good to work a 3-way before I give her the exit-pass. So we all head back to my place, girl proceeds to eat ALL the food in my place. ALL, every last bite! I could tell it was kind of embarassing for her friend. The girls are all so playful now that I spent a bit on each of them, like 80RMB for some Tshirt or skirt and I start making out with my girl. Then she asks me if I like her friend . Umm, yes.

So her friend comes over and sits on my lap, and my girl goes back into the kitchen! I can hear her rummaging around for more food! It's getting silly, so I get up and ask her if she wants to join, and she says to me that she's on the rag! So why'd you call? Because you were hungry and wanted to go shopping?!!

Sigh.

I check my cel and make up some shit about getting a text message that I have to go now. I walk them out and send them on their merry way. Never mean, just prompt.

Ok, so now to the heart of the matter: The girl has been calling non-stop. She probably calls even more now because senses she's losing her literal meal-ticket! She doesn't speak much English, So I explained on the phone that "Wo bu xihuan ni." translated: "I do not like you." and now just ignore her calls.

So, I spoke with AG about this and we agree that this is a at best a temporary solution. So, if anyone cares to contribute any experience in in dropping freebies, please do tell!

Let me think about it, off my mind; I think there are more than ten good ways to kick a freebies. I think this will be useful because if a freebie starts to annoys you or starts to ask for returns, than she will no longer be a freebie anymore; than it will be time for you to kick her out!

Ok... Be patient wait another 1 or 2 days, for now; I need to get back to my PSP ...
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Paid Service Provider :)

AG

Angstman
05-06-06, 22:38
They still have HJ's? I used to go there regularly since it's right near my house. There were these two Chongqing girls that would do 'ping heng', two girl massage, and it was a piece of heaven. However earlier this year they said management was trying to go legit and no HJ's would be available in the future... So, I guess not then? Things are still fun in the monkey house?

MKYes, I've never been there when a HJ was not offered. Enjoy!!

Sebastian My
05-06-06, 22:44
After some thoughts about the quote you mentioned from the fellow monger (I never pay a woman for sex, I pay her to leave in the morning), I think he make some sense.... otherwise he will be contradicting himself in the same statement. So I have to disagree with you.

IMHO:

OK let’s clear the first part: “Paying for sex” is when you agreed the girl/s a certain amount of money or returns before the sexual act occur. It has become a business transaction or a trade. But in a freebie situation, the girl/s let you have sex with her without any promise of returns. There is no business transaction happening in this case.

This discussion on the merits and demerits of free sex is actually a discussion on normal standard dating. This is a topic far more complex and difficult to master than mongering - as can be seen by this posting. Having dated about 2 dozen women before i tied the knot, i have to admit never fully understanding the game enough to consider myself an expert, so i make no claims to being highly skilled in this area. One of my friends marriage ended recently and having observe him go through the process of dating, i must admit hoping i will never go down that path again. So in summary, freebies, dating and all that stuff is hard and highly variable. Mongering is simple and free of complexity. On the other hand mongering only gets you one thing, while freebies can assist you in achieving something far better (or far worst in some cases) - so take your pick - or perhaps take both!

Sebastian My
05-06-06, 22:57
I was down there last night. First time so did not really know what to expect. Had drinks with a girl called xue er nice short cute gal but a bit on the rough side. Nothing much to report on only that some how last night, I got cheated by the gals there to buy them drinks non stop. I was a little drunk so kept saying OKAY.

Once I get the bill, I woke up straight away. It was a wopping 1910. WOW! They sure know how to cheat people on their drinks. Though I was cheated, I still had a happy time there and would be back there soon.

Just a reminder, careful on the gals. They really know how to humour you to buy them drinks. BEcareful. Dun be as careless as me.

If you think RM1000 is a lot of money, you clearly don't go to Japan much, or worst Hong Kong in Lockhart St. However, in seriousness RM1000 is a lot for shanghai - key thing is not to get drunk and keep the drinks under control. Having more than one girl is a danger signal also. If you go their on a regular basis and give them a tip at the end, they don't push the drinks so much and it ends up cheaper for you in the long run - but that only works if they know you. But if you need a kill an evening and you are by yourself, it can be reasonably entertaining and manageable cost wise.

Gualtier Malde
05-07-06, 00:34
But if you need a kill an evening and you are by yourself, it can be reasonably entertaining and manageable cost wise.

Sebastian has got it exactly right. You can just say no to the next drink offer, nothing will change. You can also get yourself a drink and say no when asked if you want to buy the girl a drink. She may pout but just tell her you'll get her one later. So what if she leaves anyway? She isn't going anywhere, and the bar is full of them.

If you really want to buy drinks for a girl, just pick one that you like, and buy her drinks only. When you are asked to buy the other girls drinks too just say no! Trust me, nobody is going to get truly pissed at you.

Drink at your normal rate, insist that the girls drink the drink *you* choose (buy them strong drinks, like straight shots).

Well, that last suggestion on strong drinks is optional, but if they have to drink real, potent drinks, stronger than yours, you may have a chance of staying in control of the situation...

David

Cebu Local
05-07-06, 01:38
Secondly:

"Marriage being, of course, not only the most expensive kind of free sex, but the most expensive kind of sex in general": I think this actually means a man is paying his wife for sex? Marriage is a Business Transaction??? So what we are saying here, is that women married a man so that the man will pay her for sex? (It doesn't matter whether the payment is made with money). I think that is very mean! Sex is an important part of a marriage but sex is not the only part in a marriage.




I totally agree.A Marriage is more then a business deal of paying for sex.It is a partnership between people to provide each other company and look after one another.My girlfriend who I will be proposing to later this year is more then a freebie,Which I can get so easily.She is somebody I can hold talks with about hockey or business etc.She was not"expensive",She has actually contributed to the growth of my business in China,Nope sex is important to a marraige,But defenitely you dont get married for Freebie sex,But the partnership and companionship that goes with it,Many mongers here are married and probably did so for the same reasons.The wifey who watches after the household and other domestic details plus the fact that Married people really have longer life expentancy s then Single people,Countless Studies show this and I intend to playing and staying in the game as long as I can,My 2 centavos opinion

Cebu Local
05-07-06, 01:43
Asian Gambler really started a great thread here, but I am facing a different, but related problem: How to drop freebies?

I found getting rid of them is difficult, regardless of being honest with them and not lying.

A few months ago I was able to hookup with a freebie that I met while eating with friends at the late-night hangout BiFengTang near the JinJiang Tower hotel. Basically, BiFengTang is like the local "Denny's" and is poular spot to go to after clubbing, bar crawling, etc.

Well, me and my friends were flirting with the girls at the next table and they ended up joining us. The following week, I took one of them out and then brought her back to mine.

Over the past month she has come over a few more times, but most recently she decided to bring a friend. Both are young, 21 and pretty hot, which generally is a very good thing!

Here's where it turns bad. We arranged to meet in the afternoon at Xujiahui, near a really big shopping mall called Grand Gateway -- a pretty expensive place. And the girls immediately decide it's shopping time. Ok, I've been around and can afford to get them each something, and of course buy some really good stuff for myself as well. As we're shopping, I get the sense that my girl is trying to show her friend how much control she has over me. She's doing the kind of smallish stuff that seems harmless but sends lots of messages: taking sunglasses off my face and putting them on herself; light jabbing, jibing, and other body language.

Ok, rather than just tell her to fuck off right there, I figure it would be good to work a 3-way before I give her the exit-pass. So we all head back to my place, girl proceeds to eat ALL the food in my place. ALL, every last bite! I could tell it was kind of embarassing for her friend. The girls are all so playful now that I spent a bit on each of them, like 80RMB for some Tshirt or skirt and I start making out with my girl. Then she asks me if I like her friend . Umm, yes.

So her friend comes over and sits on my lap, and my girl goes back into the kitchen! I can hear her rummaging around for more food! It's getting silly, so I get up and ask her if she wants to join, and she says to me that she's on the rag! So why'd you call? Because you were hungry and wanted to go shopping?!!

Sigh.

I check my cel and make up some shit about getting a text message that I have to go now. I walk them out and send them on their merry way. Never mean, just prompt.

Ok, so now to the heart of the matter: The girl has been calling non-stop. She probably calls even more now because senses she's losing her literal meal-ticket! She doesn't speak much English, So I explained on the phone that "Wo bu xihuan ni." translated: "I do not like you." and now just ignore her calls.

So, I spoke with AG about this and we agree that this is a at best a temporary solution. So, if anyone cares to contribute any experience in in dropping freebies, please do tell!
Tell her you are really married and the wifey is arriving.The next time She calls have a female friend answer the Phone You are busy But this is the wife,Can I take a message??Sure to drop her 99% of the time.Good luck

Ace Gallant
05-07-06, 02:57
Tell her you are really married and the wifey is arriving.The next time She calls have a female friend answer the Phone You are busy But this is the wife,Can I take a message??Sure to drop her 99% of the time.Good luck

CL,

Cannot agree with you on this one; In the first place, if I am married, i would have told her that before anything happens. She is already prepared to place the firing squat if she chose to continue. Having a girl to pick up my call will still only temporary put her off. She'll be back and keep on trying. As I said; there are many chinese girls who are willing and readily available as mistress, sex mates, toy girls or whatever you call them....once they think they got a good catch, they will try to stick to you like chewing gums. "Freebies are easy to get but hard to get rid off"

AG

Ace Gallant
05-07-06, 03:00
Sebastian has got it exactly right. You can just say no to the next drink offer, nothing will change. You can also get yourself a drink and say no when asked if you want to buy the girl a drink. She may pout but just tell her you'll get her one later. So what if she leaves anyway? She isn't going anywhere, and the bar is full of them.

If you really want to buy drinks for a girl, just pick one that you like, and buy her drinks only. When you are asked to buy the other girls drinks too just say no! Trust me, nobody is going to get truly pissed at you.

Drink at your normal rate, insist that the girls drink the drink *you* choose (buy them strong drinks, like straight shots).

Well, that last suggestion on strong drinks is optional, but if they have to drink real, potent drinks, stronger than yours, you may have a chance of staying in control of the situation...

David

There is one rule about Angels that I had forgotten to mention;

You would want to get into the lady boss or the bars managers good shoes. Why? because you will get free drinks all the time from them. So if your drinks are free, what harm to you if you buy one or two drinks for the girls?

Enjoy
AG

Ace Gallant
05-07-06, 03:12
if you think rm1000 is a lot of money, you clearly don't go to japan much, or worst hong kong in lockhart st. however, in seriousness rm1000 is a lot for shanghai - key thing is not to get drunk and keep the drinks under control. having more than one girl is a danger signal also. if you go their on a regular basis and give them a tip at the end, they don't push the drinks so much and it ends up cheaper for you in the long run - but that only works if they know you. but if you need a kill an evening and you are by yourself, it can be reasonably entertaining and manageable cost wise.

very well said. girls does appreciate direct tip more than buying them drinks. but you need to buy them at least one drink for them to hang around with you. she have to show the boss that she is working and making you buy them drinks. if you tips her regularly (in every trips) you will notice that the speed of downing their drinks is slow. whilst if you only buying them drinks their drinks is basically gone in minutes and she will be pestering you the buy her the next one. remember they get 10rmb/drink on commission. what harm will it do if you give them 100rmb as tips? that's price of 2 drinks to you but that's 10 drinks commission to them! besides, the girls are not alcoholic and thus they drink because of the money.

i normally end up with a bill of 200rmb for the drinks and 200rmb for the tips if i spend a 6 hours evening there with 2 girls. 400rmb that's only 50bucks us for a evening entertainment with 2 girls?

oh...last pointer: try the 3rd floor, if live band is not your main objective; as 3rd floor is more private and the girls do not get monitor that much on their drinks and tips; thus they are very much less pushy on drinks if you just tip them.

enjoy
ag

Brain666
05-07-06, 05:38
Dear Fellow mongers:

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Last Notes:

You want freebies; sometimes you need to invest in a little more time. Sometimes you might be lucky where you attracted the girl so much that she wants to sleeps with you on your first meeting. There are no straight rules to this.

You work yourself in and get out fast! Or your freebie may turn into a long term luxury investment.

Enjoy!
AG


For me it works best out if you are not at all pushy. More the opposite.

I practice as follows and always in the intention and body language not to make a score tonight:
I openly talk about my desire of looking for a girlfriend having a knock out body beside your wife, which you love still to spend time with while you are an Expat and she isn't here (when it comes to that theme). They know it anyhow.
Then I make more hidden but noticeable compliments in that direction that I consider her as such a knockout, but without phrasing it directly. I say it in a different context talking about others, or talking humorous faulty life stories (past experience with somebody from xxx country) where I mention in a side remark almost hidden in the main story something in direction of 'whished to have been as attractive as she is'.
They love to here that and it is even more effective to them if it was said in 'unintentionally' manner (as they think). Making this indirect compliments in your a bit funny talking, combined with no pushing at all can make them extremely interested but also confused.
Of course in addition I do many of the things Asian Gambler mentioned, especially caring attitude.
They think: ‘This guy considers me as extremely beautiful, is nice, charming and caring, why doesn’t he make the next step.’
I let them wait a long time to take the next step and again not pushing. For some more ‘not for approaching’ simple reason I might ask for the phone number, a walk through the night in direction of my accommodation. ‘Can you show me a little some general directions, towards my accommodation’ but in the same sentence I ask also caring if that would be in their direction of getting home, and what does she need to go there after she helped me a little. If she thinks it is not in my mind to take her home now, it makes you even more attractive.
(Later for some reason you can still offer your place just to sleep.).

Usually they get so much interested and are waiting for the next step, that for just every silly reason they give you her Cell No and make appointment for the next day or the even follow to your hotel/ apartment.

I can score a lot with that non pushy attitude, but I got very careful recently, because as it seems that I am a real nice guy to them (they are also not used to get much attention to their Body/ sexual desires) it turned out that some quickly fall in love with me, even knowing that I am married and there would be no chance. They wanted me as a husband for better life and started with signs towards breaking my relationship. So at the moment I am rather careful about freebee and prefer with P4P the more agreed terms.
The best would be a Freebie who is married to a rich guy where she can’t escape to another life.

Regards

Brain666

Shiofuki
05-07-06, 06:12
Not sure why my replies with quotes aren't formatting properly, but I'm responding to Bro. A.G. question about Ying Zi of Blue Angel:

I was always mesmerized by those low cut jeans she wore, esp since they were even lower cut in the back and she had that embriodery on them. I paid her 600 for 3 hours stay, with all holes open.

Shiofuki
05-07-06, 06:27
Since I've made a recent post regarding Blue Angel on my trip last November, I thought I'd mention a couple of other ladies and places.

While sitting out side of a place on Tongren Lu one night, these two stop by that I befriended (or was it the other way around). Turned out they both 'work' at Soho Pub on Julu Lu. One of them, Michelle, I took home and kept her for a few days off and on. Her mentor's name was Angela. Anyone been to Soho Pub, I don't see it written about here at all. Michelle was a raw talent work in progress, cute, early 20s. As there are no true freebies, except for Bro. AG, I did have to take her shopping to Plaza 66 a time or two.

I checked out Zapatas a time or two, but it seemed to be more of a group and couples scene the times I went, perhaps my timing wasnt right.

Did check out a BBS or two, one on Tongren Lu just up the street from Malones. Pretty grotty. One nice place I liked to frequent was the place that served German food on Tongren Lu up the street from Malones, heading towards Beijing Lu. Can't think of the name, was it Irene's maybe.

Big Bamboo, behind the Shanghai Centre, was my main haunt for a few early evening beers and watching some sports. A waitress or two wasn't bad, but I really only went there for the beer.

Lastly, I did enjoy partaking of the infamous ZY Bar. As has been stated, the price was 350 including beer and BBBJTCIM. Not bad for an early evening stress release before beginning the hunt.

I hope to go back later this year and enjoy again.

Ace Gallant
05-07-06, 06:33
Not sure why my replies with quotes aren't formatting properly, but I'm responding to Bro. A.G. question about Ying Zi of Blue Angel:

I was always mesmerized by those low cut jeans she wore, esp since they were even lower cut in the back and she had that embriodery on them. I paid her 600 for 3 hours stay, with all holes open.

600 is a good price for 3 hours especially I know that you had enjoyed it. I think anybody would have enjoyed her. And yah... all 3 holes open and tight!

I have no comparision on her as I she wanted me to help her in something else other than money.

Too bad she is gone now but will be back in 6 months!

AG

Ace Gallant
05-07-06, 06:45
Some answer for you Bro Shiofuki,



While sitting out side of a place on Tongren Lu one night, these two stop by that I befriended (or was it the other way around). Turned out they both 'work' at Soho Pub on Julu Lu. One of them, Michelle, I took home and kept her for a few days off and on. Her mentor's name was Angela. Anyone been to Soho Pub, I don't see it written about here at all. Michelle was a raw talent work in progress, cute, early 20s. As there are no true freebies, except for Bro. AG, I did have to take her shopping to Plaza 66 a time or two.

Angela from Soho is that Fat girl I think.... and I seen Michelle long time before, if I remember correctly she has b cups and very loose! When I did her she was not my freebie. I had paid her 300 LT. You have to watch out for girls wanting you to bring them to Plaza 66 for shopping. It can become a very expansive encounter.... and I don't think the Michelle I know is worth it.



Did check out a BBS or two, one on Tongren Lu just up the street from Malones. Pretty grotty. One nice place I liked to frequent was the place that served German food on Tongren Lu up the street from Malones, heading towards Beijing Lu. Can't think of the name, was it Irene's maybe.


You need to use my ChengDe BBS guide map the next time you come in. Most likely to update it every 3 months. BBS on Tongren lu sucks if compare those on ChengDe Lu and besides, it only 3 blocks away from Tong Ren Lu.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=460206&postcount=5317

Yes the rest. is call Irene's Cafe.



Lastly, I did enjoy partaking of the infamous ZY Bar. As has been stated, the price was 350 including beer and BBBJTCIM. Not bad for an early evening stress release before beginning the hunt.


Let's not mention this on the board again if you track the old post you'll know why.



I hope to go back later this year and enjoy again.

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant
05-07-06, 07:10
For me it works best out if you are not at all pushy. More the opposite.

I practice as follows and always in the intention and body language not to make a score tonight:
I openly talk about my desire of looking for a girlfriend having a knock out body beside your wife, which you love still to spend time with while you are an Expat and she isn't here (when it comes to that theme). They know it anyhow.
Then I make more hidden but noticeable compliments in that direction that I consider her as such a knockout, but without phrasing it directly. I say it in a different context talking about others, or talking humorous faulty life stories (past experience with somebody from xxx country) where I mention in a side remark almost hidden in the main story something in direction of 'whished to have been as attractive as she is'.
They love to here that and it is even more effective to them if it was said in 'unintentionally' manner (as they think). Making this indirect compliments in your a bit funny talking, combined with no pushing at all can make them extremely interested but also confused.
Of course in addition I do many of the things Asian Gambler mentioned, especially caring attitude.
They think: ‘This guy considers me as extremely beautiful, is nice, charming and caring, why doesn’t he make the next step.’
I let them wait a long time to take the next step and again not pushing. For some more ‘not for approaching’ simple reason I might ask for the phone number, a walk through the night in direction of my accommodation. ‘Can you show me a little some general directions, towards my accommodation’ but in the same sentence I ask also caring if that would be in their direction of getting home, and what does she need to go there after she helped me a little. If she thinks it is not in my mind to take her home now, it makes you even more attractive.
(Later for some reason you can still offer your place just to sleep.).

Usually they get so much interested and are waiting for the next step, that for just every silly reason they give you her Cell No and make appointment for the next day or the even follow to your hotel/ apartment.

I can score a lot with that non pushy attitude, but I got very careful recently, because as it seems that I am a real nice guy to them (they are also not used to get much attention to their Body/ sexual desires) it turned out that some quickly fall in love with me, even knowing that I am married and there would be no chance. They wanted me as a husband for better life and started with signs towards breaking my relationship. So at the moment I am rather careful about freebee and prefer with P4P the more agreed terms.
The best would be a Freebie who is married to a rich guy where she can’t escape to another life.

Regards

Brain666

Correct me if I am wrong; But most of what you said are extentions of those mentioned in my report. Which in turn I agreed to you.

Your point about been not pushy is true and in sync with been a gentleman. As I truely believe the important point is not to make them thinks that you want to sleep with them rather than you make them WANTS YOU! Of course you get a lot more GFE when they really wants you! But it is easy to misunderstand my point about Get in and get out fast. Because that can easily misunderstood for been pushly. NO.... Get in fast means you work fast to win their favor or liking for you but not necessary been pusly.

Agree with you fully also for them to ask or wait for teh next step, 100% of my freebies ask me if they have a chance to see my house (When they can come and play in my house = 几时可以去你家玩? ) or if they have a chance to taste my cooking or when they have a chance for me to come to my house so that I can teach her English. All sort of excuses they use.

Except for the last part:

"it turned out that some quickly fall in love with me, even knowing that I am married and there would be no chance. They wanted me as a husband for better life and started with signs towards breaking my relationship."

When a Freebie becomes emotionally attached to you, the freebie has evolves into a Paybie and is looking for Emotional commitment from you. That's when you start paying.... whether in term of your time, breaking up with your family, or in some case savage what they can from you. Never let yourself into such sitiuation or you will be in for "The Perfect Storm" That is what I meant by Get in and get out fast. Take no prisoners, leave no strings attached.

IMHO:

Having a freebie who is already married to a rich man may get you into bigger trouble than you thought! Unless you are yourself a dam powerful man in teh society. Better be safe than sorry.

AG

Jman90024
05-07-06, 07:44
Hmm... That may not work all the time. Actually, if you are married and the girls still chooses to be with you. You can be sure they have no problem to talk to the wife, even invite her out for a drink just to talk about the arrangement. As some said in the forum, Chinese girls are open minded and a bit too open sometime.


Tell her you are really married and the wifey is arriving.The next time She calls have a female friend answer the Phone You are busy But this is the wife,Can I take a message??Sure to drop her 99% of the time.Good luck

GlenEagle
05-07-06, 09:21
I passed this place yesterday and noticed that the sign board has been removed. There are some major renovations in the area surrounding this place and is not sure if it is closed or under renovation. I was travelling in a vehicle and have no chance to get more details. Anybody have any updated information regarding this.

Brain666
05-07-06, 15:59
Hmm... That may not work all the time. Actually, if you are married and the girls still chooses to be with you. You can be sure they have no problem to talk to the wife, even invite her out for a drink just to talk about the arrangement. As some said in the forum, Chinese girls are open minded and a bit too open sometime.

This is one of the reasons why I recently prefer more the P4p getting done deals. Finally not soooo much different overall cost. Less stressy and more safe.

On the other hand from time to time it makes fun to go through all the procedure with a freebe. Want to prove my hunters quality from time to time. Can I make her that that she wants me?

My Process is almost identical to Asian Gambler. So fully agree that this is the way for success and still be somehow safe if you follow the quick in and out rules as he described. Fully agree.

regards

Brain666

Tony Soprano 1
05-07-06, 17:36
Shiofuki, AG,

Irenes is next to Malones, 2nd floor, Thai restaurant. I am not aware of any German restaurant on Tong Ren.

AG,

I really am in awe of your posts. You definitely get around, and around, and around. Well done!

Cheers to all

Ace Gallant
05-07-06, 17:58
Just some post before I get back to bed.

There are also sitiuations where P4P turn into Freebie after. Those two girls in my bed now are a great example:

I pick up a 300 rmb LT last night from near my place and she actually wanted me to pay extra 100 to get her "sister" to come together. The excuse was they wanted to set off to shopping today. I did not agreed so I guess her sister stay back in the BBS till the morning. My girl left at about 9am this morning.

This evening while preparing to get out to meet the Gang, The two girls appeared at my door steps! Today is Sunday, they do not wants to work, just finish a full day shopping around my area and thought I and take them in for the night. I told them directly that I am not paying anything and jokingly said that they will have to pay for me taking them in.

I off the "Gang meeting" and ended up with these 2 girls in my house for free! (Actually, only David Xyzzy from the gang was going out tonight as the rest of the Gang is unavailable or out of town = Sorry David!).

This incident reminds me that I actually miss out the part about Paybies turning in Freebies. Of course it this case, I did not ask for them to service me tonight but I guess the girls takes it as payment for the accommodating them?

So whatever situation in mongering there are still chances that your are stuck with Freebie if you are not careful. In this case, these Paybies (P4P) turns into Freebies and may turn into a bigger Paybie later!

Enjoy!
AG

Come to think of it, I did not pay for her sister last evening but today she service me.... so she is a pure freebie?

Ace Gallant
05-07-06, 19:20
knowing how some systems that the girls get paid will help to increase our negotiation chances. since my two freebies are sleeping now; in this post i will attempt to cover as much systems related to the trade:

i had already mentioned in my post on blue angels about how their systems works: but i will repeat it to cover the general chat bar concepts:

(salary mentioned below are base on per month basis)

chat bars:

generally the waitress or chat girls do a get a basic salary of around 1000 to 1500 (depending on the bar): their income greatly depends on the commission per drink they got their customer to buy them. commission per drinks varies from 5 to 15 rmb per drink. so the more they pester you to buy drinks, the more they make. of course than they will have a element of tips from customers. for me i prefer this method of directly tipping the girls. the girs appreciate it more and as they do not like to drink a lot and less or no effort is required for them to pester you to buy drinks. however this is strongly discourage by the boss of the bars (of course!) as this will take away the business for the bar itself. so, as mentioned in one of my post; i will usually buy a drink for the girl/s and them directly that i will tip them generously if they don't pester me for more drinks. you will also noticed that more higher the basic pay of the girls in certain bars, the lower the girls are willing to pester you for the drinks. in chat bars, since the girls get basic salary; they will have to follow the working hours. but going out with a client is mainly a private arrangement and usually done after their work hours. if the client insist and the girl/s agrees to go out during the working hours; the girl/s still can arrange with the boss/manager by just paying a bar fine which is usually between 100 to 300. in most cases, the girls in chat bars do not like this sort of arrangement as this direcly makes them a prositude which they are shy to admit to their fellow co-workers. private arrangement is a veru secure way to keep it a secret between the customer and the provider. a private arrangement between the girl and you can be at a cost of from 400 to 600 st or 500 to 1000 lt. of course there are some un-experience monger who are not member of isg or does not rtff, ended up with big bills! of course there are situations where private arrangment cost nothing at all. the main set back about private arrangement is that you have to wait till their after work hours or their off days. in some chat bars, there are part timers: these girls get paid base on daily rate of 25 - 75 rmb a day. their work hours are based on 4 - 6 hours basis usually around peak hours from around 9pm to 3am. chance of picking up a part timer are higher than the full time chat girls. an example of a chat bar is blue angels or night shift.

music & dinning bar:

this are bars that does not has girls to entertain you. waitress only take your order and serve you drinks. waitress are paid 1000 - 2000 per month. big extra of their income depends on tips. if the waitress goes out with you it will be strictly private arrangement after working hours or off days. many a time i found that these waitress goes out with you is because they like you and likely to be a freebie. other than that just be careful, you might get a slap on your face for asking the wrong girl. there are not really a price tag for service from these waitress. other than the waitress options, there of course freelancers hanging around these places. they are basically not a employee of these bars and make 100% of the income from waht you offer her. an example of music bar will be malone's or m-box

disco bar

basically these are not much difference from a chat bar but in a disco bars, you get a lot more freelancers like those in music bars, hanging around. the salary scale of the chat girls are the same system as the chat bars and the freelancer bascially get 100% of the income from your payment. an example of this is judy's. in some bigger disco bars, you will find freelancers getting paid a commission of 5 to 10 rmb per drink. these freelancer do not work for the disco bar but they have private arrangement with the disco. an example of this is babyface.

bbs

bbs in different parts of town differs on different type of pricing and commission schemes. but the basic is that all girls does not have basic salary. in the case of bbs, it is the owner that as the commission instead of the girls. the bbs owner basically get to commission from the girls for supplying the place for the business. in changde lu bbs, a fs of 200 the bbs get 50 girl keep 100. at the village, fs of 130, bbs get 40 and girl keep 90. general formula is that the bbs gets 20 - 30% commission. in one of my previous post, i stated that "not many bbs allow take outs," but i should go back and correct the phase. it is not that the bbs does not allow take out. but it is more of, the girls do not want to go out. it is totally possible for you to take the girls out if she or the bbs owner knows you well enough. also in a typical friday night, even if you are a regular customer, the girl will not want to go out with you compared to a low traffic monday night after 2am.

ktvs

ktv basically make money from drinks. in most ktv girls do not have any basic salary. they basically live on the tips you pay to them. for those ktv who don't pay basic salary, the ktv girls will receive 100% of the tips. in some ktv the girls are paid basic salary of between 800 to 2000 depending on the type of ktv (no strip, semi nude, or fully nude) likewise the tip to the girls ranges from 300 to 500 (no strip, semi nude, or fully nude). waitress get paid at a rate of 500 to 1000 fix salary and also depend aon your tips of between 100 to 300. tipping the mamasan is totally up to you. because mamasan get a 3000 to 5000 salary and also get a commission if you bring out the ktv girl. 50% of the payment for bringing out the girl/s so to the ktv 20% goes to mamasan and only 30% goes to the girl/s. a resonable take out rate will be around 2000 to 1000 lt depending on the ktv and the girl itself. of course it will be better and easier to negotiate with the girl on private arrangement as they will get 90% of what you pay them (10% for been payment to ktv for not showing up for work if it is not their off days)

saunas

body and foot massage girls usually do not get a basic salary.
massage girls live on "tips". this tips is normally 20% of the massage fees. so in a place like yu ping, you pay 600 for the full set, the girls get about 100 to 150. the foot massage girl gets 50% of the massage fees. waitresses get paid flat salary of 500 to 800 per month. private arrangements outside their work hours is the only possiblility of lt back in your hotel for the massage girls. waitresses? not a chance! most of them are **** - 16 -17 anyways. for private arrangements; i would normally pay around 200 - 400 for st and 300 to 800 lt. of course again, freebie is still possible. why? because they would want you to come to sauna and use them many more times!

notes:

yet again, different places have slightly different salary payment systems but the above basically outline the general guidelines of how much most girls are paid in the different work place. i had found that understanding these help me to understand and position myself in a negotiation with the girls.

enjoy!
ag

Ace Gallant
05-07-06, 19:34
I passed this place yesterday and noticed that the sign board has been removed. There are some major renovations in the area surrounding this place and is not sure if it is closed or under renovation. I was travelling in a vehicle and have no chance to get more details. Anybody have any updated information regarding this.

I called them after I saw this post, they are still there. Manager said there's no change on the sign board or address.

AG

Shiofuki
05-07-06, 20:12
Shiofuki, AG,

Irenes is next to Malones, 2nd floor, Thai restaurant. I am not aware of any German restaurant on Tong Ren.

AG,

I really am in awe of your posts. You definitely get around, and around, and around. Well done!

Cheers to all

Tony, you are correct about Irene's which has the Thai food, which I believe is on the 2nd floor. The place I was thinking of that serves the German food is the bar on the ground floor of the same building.

Joses Es
05-07-06, 23:33
Hello to you all:

This is my first message in this great forum.

This week I will be staying at The New Century Hotel, No.1111 Liyang Road,ShangHai. I will appreciate so much any information if anyone knows about any place (BBS, brothels, massage, etc) related with sexual providers close to my hotel.

Since this is my first visit to china and to shanghai in particular I would be so grateful for any comments in order to get a pleasant sexual approach to this country.

Thank you in advance.

Jose

Cebu Local
05-07-06, 23:52
CL,

Cannot agree with you on this one; In the first place, if I am married, i would have told her that before anything happens. She is already prepared to place the firing squat if she chose to continue. Having a girl to pick up my call will still only temporary put her off. She'll be back and keep on trying. As I said; there are many chinese girls who are willing and readily available as mistress, sex mates, toy girls or whatever you call them....once they think they got a good catch, they will try to stick to you like chewing gums. "Freebies are easy to get but hard to get rid off"

AGI was just talking about this with my friends in China and they said it will only stop them temporarily,They are going to be like chewing gum to get rid off.Note to myself,Do not get Chinese Freebies in the same city you live in or visit regularly.I am glad I turned down several offers of girls wanting to be my Zhuhai GF.Cheers

Cebu Local
05-08-06, 00:48
Hello to you all:

This is my first message in this great forum.

This week I will be staying at The New Century Hotel, No.1111 Liyang Road,ShangHai. I will appreciate so much any information if anyone knows about any place (BBS, brothels, massage, etc) related with sexual providers close to my hotel.

Since this is my first visit to china and to shanghai in particular I would be so grateful for any comments in order to get a pleasant sexual approach to this country.

Thank you in advance.

JoseRead post 4772 for the newbie guide

Traveler1234
05-08-06, 01:22
Hello to you all:

This is my first message in this great forum.

Since this is my first visit to china and to shanghai in particular I would be so grateful for any comments in order to get a pleasant sexual approach to this country.

Jose
Besides # 4772, there are many other good posts in the report of distinction thread, red rope, BBS map and suggestions, etc.

Albert Punter
05-08-06, 12:46
Let me tell you I agree 100% with AG.

Other than that, as discussed many times, I would say that hunting and getting freebies is very motivating and offers a different taste than P4P which is just a business transaction.



After some thoughts about the quote you mentioned from the fellow monger (I never pay a woman for sex, I pay her to leave in the morning), I think he make some sense.... otherwise he will be contradicting himself in the same statement. So I have to disagree with you.

IMHO:

OK let’s clear the first part: “Paying for sex” is when you agreed the girl/s a certain amount of money or returns before the sexual act occur. It has become a business transaction or a trade. But in a freebie situation, the girl/s let you have sex with her without any promise of returns. There is no business transaction happening in this case. Whether you decided to “Pay” later (Whether in money or other returns) is totally not considered a payment for sex. It is just like a tip you give to a waitress for her good service. Giving a tip, I do not see how that is connected as a payment for her service? But in this case…. I think what that fellow monger could also means that he did not agree to pay her for sex, but because she refused to leave, so he pays her to leave. If I read this sentence correctly….. I pay her to leave; and not; I paid her when she was leaving.

Secondly:

"Marriage being, of course, not only the most expensive kind of free sex, but the most expensive kind of sex in general": I think this actually means a man is paying his wife for sex? Marriage is a Business Transaction??? So what we are saying here, is that women married a man so that the man will pay her for sex? (It doesn't matter whether the payment is made with money). I think that is very mean! Sex is an important part of a marriage but sex is not the only part in a marriage.

Thirdly:

Girls get nasty and resorted try anything to get returns only when they think that they had been cheated. In this case it is likely that this man made promises for some from of returns and did not fulfill their promise/s after the service is performed. This was mentioned in my report Point No.4. If there are no promise of payment for sex and she threatens in some forms; that is blackmail; eventually if the payment is made, the payment is for the blackmail and not for sex transaction.

Finally:

There are girls who just want sex! Especially in some places like Japan where girls are very open minded, curious and enjoys sex. There are also a lot of such girls in China that seeks no returns for sex.

Having freebies doesn’t necessary means you need to have sex with the girl! Sometimes you just want their companionships and they just want yours, again there are no business transactions. But companionships can also leads to sex later…who knows? So, in conclusion; girls have sex with a man not because they only want returns from the man. As I had mentioned in some of my postings on this subject; Get in and get out fast before there is any emotional attachment = this is mongering.

Enjoy
AG

Albert Punter
05-08-06, 12:48
For those members speaking Chinese, I came to know another website where apparently you can hunt freebies.

Url is www.life365.com .

Ace Gallant
05-08-06, 14:53
ok...got the following links from chatting in these chinese sites. most cost 400rmb/shot, 1,000rmb/night for incall. and i am sure u will need chinese skillz.

http://photo.163.com/photos/det7/
http://photo.163.com/photos/yii984/
http://photo.163.com/photos/k-mlsdg/
http://photo.163.com/photos/suni5201/

they all have their mobile numbers listed.. I talked to a couple and they did say that for the 1k LT, its unlimited shots.

have fun.
cap iota

Cap,

Any updates on your report? Did you try any?

On my side as I had posted, I was not very successful in all my calls to them. So I did not have the chance to taste sweet meat!

Let us know if you got anywhere.

AG

The Vulture
05-08-06, 15:33
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1 down, 2 to go

Thanks,

Jackson

Cebu Local
05-08-06, 15:50
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1 down, 2 to go

Thanks,

JacksonNow If this can also be done in the Photo thread so that we can go Back to Regular Programing

Dragon D
05-08-06, 19:17
Heya all,

Just browsed through the site. 4 girls in Shanghai. The rest are all over China which can be fun. Thanks Albert, should be fun chatting with some of these chicks.

Ace Gallant
05-09-06, 05:22
Now If this can also be done in the Photo thread so that we can go Back to Regular Programing

I knew over conversation with a few of those regulars girls (whom I knew and that I had posted on the board); that there is a guy recently been asking about *****s saying that he come recommended by members of our web site. These girls had been asking me whether I know about ISG. Of course I acted ignorant. He had also been to the Angels and asking about *****s and saying the same thing that he come recommended by members of our web site. We have to be careful on this guy as he is destorying our playgrounds! He had came by the name as Steven which is in sync with what the girls told me.

I got no ideal what this freak had posted in his most recent post because he is in my Ignore list. But I believe would be something he worked out that he enjoying himself with some other girls blah blah blah.... Unfortunately he had my cell# and had been calling me or sending me sms in which I had also blocked. I am totally not interested to know or talk to this guy anymore and I think he should be banned from the ISG for giving deceiving information about his fantasies.

Yes, good call Jackson, although I think he should be Banned immediately.

AG

Spy Cam
05-09-06, 07:30
hi guys and gals,

australian gent here, i am heading to shanghia on the 18th of may for a series of meetings and wondering if anyone can suggest a good 4 star hotel, that is not too pricey and near the jv marritott. ( office is on a cost cutting drive - so no five star hotels for me..hell i am only 28 - just lucky to be taking the trip!)

also while i am there, i would like to arrange some companionship with a lady of russian background - can anyone suggest where i would find?

(lived in moscow for 3 months, am addicted to their raw sexuality)

i would really appreciate some local know how.

cheers,

spy cam

ps - had a colleauge who picked up a local in a his hotel bar, took her back to the room for the night ( wasnt expecting to) - woke up the next morning with her by his side, but also two burly guys standing in the doorway - who turned out to be the police.

they bundled him into a van, took him to a police station and forced him to pay 10kusd before they would release him - using the story the girl said he raped her...but i know he is not the type to do so - he's an accountan!

Eaglestar
05-09-06, 09:05
First off let me say I have not done this gal and I did not take the photos. Her photo album is available for the asking. Maybe this is not according to Jackson "Hoyle" but I seem to recall one of the fundamentals of this site is to pass on information about finding women for sex, so....

She is on asiafind.com (AFF), said she lives in Jiangsu province. I gave her my real age (63), like the honest dumb ass that I am, and she is not interested. Any of you younger hosses with diamond cutter c**ks (SENIOR members only) who want to try, I will pass on her AFF name if you PM me. Her English is not so hot, so best if you can speak passable putonghua.

I hid her face but can send full pics to your emails if you want.

Only thing I ask is to send me pics or post some in the photo section and let me know if the rack is real. Certainly looks real.

ES

PS-Cannot attach pics. Tried 4 times. Will try to post later, gotta go now.

Eaglestar
05-09-06, 09:10
This is the page I get when I try to up load the Jiangsu pics. All are within the size limits. Anyone help me?

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Ace Gallant
05-09-06, 09:16
This is the page I get when I try to up load the Jiangsu pics. All are within the size limits. Anyone help me?

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Perhaps you need to use a tool to crop the picture down to size or just upload it onto the Photo Galary?

AG

Ace Gallant
05-09-06, 09:19
Heya all,

Just browsed through the site. 4 girls in Shanghai. The rest are all over China which can be fun. Thanks Albert, should be fun chatting with some of these chicks.

AP is right, this site is very chinese.

I got on the site and managed to "hook on" one of the many chinese girl, we chat for a while on QQ but found that she totally have no English skills but been a non-native chinese typist... it found it hard to chat in chinese. The good part is that I got a date with her next week.

It is amazing how fast can you get a hook on to this girls.

Enjoy
AG

Ace Gallant
05-09-06, 09:25
I gone to a client's office along a strip of Macau Road between Shanxi Bei Lu and Jian Ning Lu.

I noticed a cluster of BBS (at least 5 to 6 of them) Any fellow tried them?

there are 2 on one side and at least 3 to 4 on the other. As I pass I notice there are at least 50% of the girls are 7 or 8. May be I should check them out one of these days.

AG

Ace Gallant
05-09-06, 09:56
First off let me say I have not done this gal and I did not take the photos. Her photo album is available for the asking. Maybe this is not according to Jackson "Hoyle" but I seem to recall one of the fundamentals of this site is to pass on information about finding women for sex, so....

She is on asiafind.com (AFF), said she lives in Jiangsu province. I gave her my real age (63), like the honest dumb ass that I am, and she is not interested. Any of you younger hosses with diamond cutter c**ks (SENIOR members only) who want to try, I will pass on her AFF name if you PM me. Her English is not so hot, so best if you can speak passable putonghua.

I hid her face but can send full pics to your emails if you want.

Only thing I ask is to send me pics or post some in the photo section and let me know if the rack is real. Certainly looks real.

ES

PS-Cannot attach pics. Tried 4 times. Will try to post later, gotta go now.

ES,

Let us know what are the hit rate of AFF (Adult Friend Finder or Asia Friends Finder) here in China?

I was on the Adult Friend Finder in Tokyo and had a chance to hook up with a lot of freebies. But starting 2004 there had been a lot of fake profile of Man pretending to be girls and basically made use of the girls profile to show to the Japanese girls that they are very popular. Thus attracting a lot of other Japanese Girls to write to them. I had ever since 2004 gave up on the AFF.

But whatever, it could be different here in China.

AG

Eaglestar
05-09-06, 10:03
All are cropped to 500x350 approximately. None are over 600 and the largest is only 56KB.

This is the first time I have had this problem in hundreds of photos posted here.

I will try tomorrow. I got one screen that said some problem with db and to use the refresh but all that did was delete everything.

Oh well, I will try tomorrow.

ES

Nov Pap
05-09-06, 15:42
Hey guys.

Are there any directory of ladies like found for Hong Kong (******.com or best161.com) here in Shanghai? Thanks

Ace Gallant
05-09-06, 16:11
Shiofuki, AG,

Irenes is next to Malones, 2nd floor, Thai restaurant. I am not aware of any German restaurant on Tong Ren.

AG,

I really am in awe of your posts. You definitely get around, and around, and around. Well done!

Cheers to all

Thought I put in an update;

The German Bar/Restaurant on 1st Floor of the same building as Irene's Cafe is call The Spot Bar.

AG

Ace Gallant
05-09-06, 16:14
all are cropped to 500x350 approximately. none are over 600 and the largest is only 56kb.

this is the first time i have had this problem in hundreds of photos posted here.

i will try tomorrow. i got one screen that said some problem with db and to use the refresh but all that did was delete everything.

oh well, i will try tomorrow.

es

are you trying the upload in china?

i had same problems back sometimes ago when the internet speed (board band) in my hotel was so slow that it did not even allowed me to send my email with attachement of 20kb. the server just timeout waiting for the packet to go though.

ag

Eaglestar
05-09-06, 16:22
[QUOTE=Asian Gambler]ES,

Let us know what are the hit rate of AFF (Adult Friend Finder or Asia Friends Finder) here in China?

AG

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AG I don't even mess with Adult FF. I tried it and as you said many frauds, dykes, lady boys and pros there. I use Asia Friend Finder (asiafind.com) exclusively.

Hit rate? Hmmmm. I get about a 40% to 50% response to my initial messages. Of these, I probably wind up chatting with maybe 50% to 60%. Of those I chat with, I probably have sex with no more than 10%. Do the math. Maybe I nail 2% to 4% of all I make contact with. It is kind of a low ratio. I keep all ‘prospects’ in the “Hot List”. I presently have 80 in my hot list and of those I have nailed 37 of them.

I will make contact with about 8 ladies per week on average. Some times more, some times less. I send 6 just today.

I concentrate on older (35-40 year old) married women, ideally those whose husbands live/work in another province or country. Presently there are 9 ladies here in SH that I do on a regular or semi regular basis. Of these, 6 are married with out of town/country husband and one married with a husband here in SH. Others are single or divorced. Upside to the married ladies is they have family relationships and jobs to deal with so I can juggle my time to see who I want when I want. Also, for the most part they do not want me to take them shopping or other non sex related activates, nor do they want me to marry them. They just come to my apartment, fuck me and go away. Down side is they have husbands who would not see the humor in me “doing” their wives.

Second level are those who live in other Chinese cities but travel on business or leisure to SH. I have relationships with ladies from Wuhan, Nanning (2), Guangzhou (2), Beijing (3), Shangdong (2), Changchun, Chongqing, Nanjing, Ningbo, Suzhou and Hangzhou. Of course I only see these a few times a year.

I started this about 2002 while living in Xian when quite by accident I found a lady in a near by city who was married but her HB was in Wuxi. She would come to Xian by bus just to see me. Not a particularly pretty lady but really a good lady with a nice body, extra large tits and horny as hell. She would come and screw my brains out for two day and go back home. The light went off in my feeble brain that maybe there are more like this. Something of an evolution, not a revolution.

I maybe gave you more info than you asked for but some others have PM me about this so I thought I might as well add more details.

ES

Eaglestar
05-09-06, 16:39
[QUOTE=Eaglestar]First off let me say I have not done this gal and I did not take the photos. Her photo album is available for the asking. Maybe this is not according to Jackson "Hoyle" but I seem to recall one of the fundamentals of this site is to pass on information about finding women for sex, so....

She is on asiafind.com (AFF), said she lives in Jiangsu province. I gave her my real age (63), like the honest dumb ass that I am, and she is not interested. Any of you younger hosses with diamond cutter c**ks (SENIOR members only) who want to try, I will pass on her AFF name if you PM me. Her English is not so hot, so best if you can speak passable putonghua.

I hid her face but can send full pics to your emails if you want.

Only thing I ask is to send me pics or post some in the photo section and let me know if the rack is real. Certainly looks real.

ES

Hope it works this time

Ace Gallant
05-09-06, 16:43
[QUOTE=Asian Gambler]ES,

Let us know what are the hit rate of AFF (Adult Friend Finder or Asia Friends Finder) here in China?

AG

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AG I don't even mess with Adult FF. I tried it and as you said many frauds, dykes, lady boys and pros there. I use Asia Friend Finder (asiafind.com) exclusively.

Hit rate? Hmmmm. I get about a 40% to 50% response to my initial messages. Of these, I probably wind up chatting with maybe 50% to 60%. Of those I chat with, I probably have sex with no more than 10%. Do the math. Maybe I nail 2% to 4% of all I make contact with. It is kind of a low ratio. I keep all ‘prospects’ in the “Hot List”. I presently have 80 in my hot list and of those I have nailed 37 of them.

I will make contact with about 8 ladies per week on average. Some times more, some times less. I send 6 just today.

I concentrate on older (35-40 year old) married women, ideally those whose husbands live/work in another province or country. Presently there are 9 ladies here in SH that I do on a regular or semi regular basis. Of these, 6 are married with out of town/country husband and one married with a husband here in SH. Others are single or divorced. Upside to the married ladies is they have family relationships and jobs to deal with so I can juggle my time to see who I want when I want. Also, for the most part they do not want me to take them shopping or other non sex related activates, nor do they want me to marry them. They just come to my apartment, fuck me and go away. Down side is they have husbands who would not see the humor in me “doing” their wives.

Second level are those who live in other Chinese cities but travel on business or leisure to SH. I have relationships with ladies from Wuhan, Nanning (2), Guangzhou (2), Beijing (3), Shangdong (2), Changchun, Chongqing, Nanjing, Ningbo, Suzhou and Hangzhou. Of course I only see these a few times a year.

I started this about 2002 while living in Xian when quite by accident I found a lady in a near by city who was married but her HB was in Wuxi. She would come to Xian by bus just to see me. Not a particularly pretty lady but really a good lady with a nice body, extra large tits and horny as hell. She would come and screw my brains out for two day and go back home. The light went off in my feeble brain that maybe there are more like this. Something of an evolution, not a revolution.

I maybe gave you more info than you asked for but some others have PM me about this so I thought I might as well add more details.

ES

Thanks for the info,

It seems that it is much much longer process to get a freebie from the AFF China, than AFF in Japan. In Japan, all I need to do is the change my profile regularly and I get at least average of 5 to 6 message back per week. out of these I can say at least 90% are hit on going out after a bit of chatting on MSN or ICQ. Once they agree to go out with me, 80% of them I get them nailed on first meeting and the less later.

However, in China if based on your stats, I would say, it is easlier way (Much less efforts and time investments) to get Freebies based on other methods. discussed on the board than AFF.

Plus I also noticed that the age group you are after are much higher. Again in Japan, women of 30 to 40 brackets, you can easily nail them on your first meeting with near zero investment in time and money. Perhaps the "Desperate Age" are higher in Japan?

As often discussed on this board, why would Chinese freebies want to be freebie to you; A lot of them are after something. but also I found that the age when they gets desperate is around 25 to 32, those single women above 32 know they will have no chance and will automatically remove themselves out of the market.

AG

Jazziton
05-09-06, 17:07
[QUOTE=Eaglestar]

First off let me say I have not done this gal and I did not take the photos. Her photo album is available for the asking. ....

She is on asiafind.com (AFF), said she lives in Jiangsu province.

Only thing I ask is to send me pics or post some in the photo section and let me know if the rack is real. Certainly looks real.

ES



I Dunno man.

Racks certainly looks great and real, but I do smell something about the pics and this gal. Based on her clothing and the way her pose and the envrionment, it is more likely this is a Japanese girl, so I suspect the pics are "borrowed" from someplace else. I mean she is dressed and posing very challenging and even got a slight tan and this gal should be from Jiangsu? Still, I do not rule out that this girl could be real, so go ahead guys and report back if anyone got the chance to meet or nail this girl in real life.

And ES, just want to say thanks again for your generosity to explain how you proceed in order to score and that you are honest with the facts. Someone else might have exaggerated the facts a bit in order to impress or.... Remember you said you chat a lot, well obviously it pays of one or another way, so just keep up the good work.

Jazz

Albert Punter
05-09-06, 17:13
As we are discussing about hit/miss ratio in website hunting, I took the chance to quote my statistics posted about one year ago. They show a hit ratio of 54%, considering dated girls, and 13,6%, considering contacted girls.

Since then I dont keep statistics anymore.

Just another info, age target for me was between 20 and 30+.


I would like to report about my activity in searching through websites' personals in the past six months.
As I do not speak Mandarin, I only browsed in
a) http://shanghai.asiaxpat.com/ (former That'sShanghai) > best
b) http://www.weinchina.com/ (ICQinChina) > interesting
c) http://www.shanghaiexpat.com/ > little interesting
and only more recently in
d) http://www.smartshanghai.com/ > little interesting

I did not reply when Mr Right or LT or serious relationship was looked for.
Only I replied to those ads where girls were looking for fun or for money (reading between the lines) or for sex (yes, some ads were explicit).
I sent out a total of 88 replies:
a) 56
b) 20
c) 7
d) 5

In some cases I had to send my picture to get girl's picture. Which was fine as I could also select my dates.
Depending the type of ad, I had more direct approach or I had played cool with some correspondence by e-mail just to be more friends.
In total, I was able to date 22 girls, but none of those looking for sex (this really amazes me).

Following was final score:
- in 6 cases I hit as they were semi-pro, looking for some money or some presents (however only in 5 cases I had paid, in one case girl did not take anything as she liked me as a person);
- in 6 cases I was able to sleep with them first or second date;
- in 10 cases nothing materialized: no chemistry or maybe they were just looking for boyfriend or for someone to go out with (but without finishing night in bed).

All in all I think it was worthwhile, as only time required was about 20-30 minutes per day to read ads and to reply, and then to keep contact.
I was able to have a lot of fun fun and to increase my experience about Chinese girls.
Also, I was able to sleep with some beautiful hot girls for nothing. Believe me, this add satisfaction to satisfaction.
In general I was pleased about sex willingness and performance of my partners.

Now I want to relax, while continuing to date my very hot freebies.
I will probably change side and put an add myself, to see how many girls reply and which type (and possibly to prepare another nice report for you).

Eaglestar
05-09-06, 18:47
[QUOTE=Eaglestar]

I Dunno man.

Racks certainly looks great and real, but I do smell something about the pics and this gal. Based on her clothing and the way her pose and the envrionment, it is more likely this is a Japanese girl, so I suspect the pics are "borrowed" from someplace else. I mean she is dressed and posing very challenging and even got a slight tan and this gal should be from Jiangsu? Still, I do not rule out that this girl could be real, so go ahead guys and report back if anyone got the chance to meet or nail this girl in real life.

And ES, just want to say thanks again for your generosity to explain how you proceed in order to score and that you are honest with the facts. Someone else might have exaggerated the facts a bit in order to impress or.... Remember you said you chat a lot, well obviously it pays of one or another way, so just keep up the good work.

Jazz

I just make the offer. She does not want an old guy like me so???? Anyone can do what they want. Evaluate and strike or not. Mei guanxi

You are welcome for the info on my "strategy". Works for me.

ES

Ace Gallant
05-09-06, 23:10
As we are discussing about hit/miss ratio in website hunting, I took the chance to quote my statistics posted about one year ago. They show a hit ratio of 54%, considering dated girls, and 13,6%, considering contacted girls.

Since then I dont keep statistics anymore.

Just another info, age target for me was between 20 and 30+.

I think the hits rate a lot will also depends on other factors involves.

As mentioned; a lot of "Freebies" is ultimately out for something in the end. So you have to get in and out fast. A wise monger once said: "There is no free meals in this world" so if you are wise take your "free" and leave before the check comes out to you.

In my experience Freebies in China comes around looking for:

1) Long term returns of Investment = Money
2) A way to get a out of this country (A Visa or a Passport)
3) Marriage
4) A place to stay in the city they are working in.

Of course there are some that seeks companionship and sex. But I think if we follow the rules mentioned in my previous post on Freebies, we should be able to clearly shake them off once you think they start to get too sticky.

AG

A-Todd
05-10-06, 03:52
Asian Gambler,

Time for you to read the FF ;) (just kidding).
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=385706&postcount=3722

Have been there a couple of times and they are decent, a bit more pricy though, usually pay around 80 for an oil-treatment.

Btw. Macau Road = Aomen Lu (for you non Chinese speakers)

cheers
/T



I gone to a client's office along a strip of Macau Road between Shanxi Bei Lu and Jian Ning Lu.

I noticed a cluster of BBS (at least 5 to 6 of them) Any fellow tried them?

there are 2 on one side and at least 3 to 4 on the other. As I pass I notice there are at least 50% of the girls are 7 or 8. May be I should check them out one of these days.

AG

Eaglestar
05-10-06, 06:21
I got a PM from Dragon Cloud (zero posts, zero contribution to the forum) asking for info on the Jiangsu AFF freebie. Below is my response to him. All please note.
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Sorry Dragon Cloud. You need to read my post again. It says "Any of you younger hosses with diamond cutter c**ks (SENIOR members only) who want to try, I will pass on her AFF name if you PM me."

After you have made some useful contributions, I and others will be happy to share info. Until then RTFF and go hunting.

ES

Asiansing
05-10-06, 06:52
I think I may be doing something foolish so here I am asking for advice.

I got to know this gal a freebie to me of course. she suggested she wants to set up a steam boat shop and wish to pathner with me. The inital setup cost for the next 3 to 6 mths cost about 50000rmb. Not a big sum of money to set up a small business.

From my point of view, 50000rmb is not a problem even if the business does not work out. The thing is do you guys think I should go into business with some freebie. She has a very poor background which made me feel like helping her do something thus the so called business plan from her.

So how do you guys think about this.

What I feel is that i may just get tired of her perhaps in a few months time. 50000 is not really a big issue but that also equals to gettiing alot of gals in action.

I dont love her!

Only feel like helping her.

ADVISE anyone?

Squib Boy
05-10-06, 07:51
I recently returned from my first visit to Shanghai...what a great city!

In terms of mongering activities I enlisted the services of "Dragon D". Yeah, for whatever reason he seems to be very controversial on this board, but please save your flames for somebody else. I found him to be a really nice, accommodating fellow, and though many of you may feel his "service fee" is stiff, for someone like me who has never visited Shanghai, doesn't speak the native tongue and doesn't have the time to carefully search through all the postings I found his services to be extremely valuable and money well spent. He took me to his favorite BBS establishment, and when I didn't find anyone I cared for there he took me to a 2nd one just down the street. This time I found one to my liking, actually one that looked remarkably like a girl I used to work with and had the extreme hots for, but Dragon advised against her since she had a reputation for being less than enthusiastic. I then told him to tell her that if I brought her to my hotel for the evening that I would expect her to defy that reputation, which he did and which generated a chuckle from everyone in the room. Anyway, we negotiated the deal, and then we decided to hit a bar on Tong Ren Lu, along with Dragon and a girl he was bringing for one of his other clients, for a quick drink before going back to my room. When we got to my room we hopped into the tub for a quick wash, and then the fun began. I won't go into all the details, but let me say she was extremely enthusiastic and had few inhibitions...I was thoroughly satisfied. The only negative thing I can say about the experience is that after my 2nd shot, about 3 hrs into it, she wanted to leave already. I actually was okay with that, as I don't think I could have mustered another shot, plus I had just got into town that night and was pretty wiped out.

Unforunately Dragon had to go out of town the next day, so I had to fend for myself. I ended up trying out the Red Rope experience at the Shanghai Hotel. This was quite the unique experience, and anyone who has not tried it really should, as you will be in positions that you never thought possible! Well worth the $750 RMB, especially when you include all the standard sauna services. However, I was slightly disappointed because the establishment was not as upscale as some of the better ones I've been to in Macau, and the girls, both selection-wise as well as looks, were also not in the same league. However, at roughly half the price of Macau maybe I shouldn't complain.

On my last night I hit the bars on Tong Ren Lu again, but due to the start of the week-long holiday the area was really dead, and so all I did was buy a couple of bar girls some drinks and did the small talk thing.

All in all I enjoyed my Shanghai experience and will definitely be back!

Ace Gallant
05-10-06, 08:04
Asian Gambler,

Time for you to read the FF ;) (just kidding).
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=385706&postcount=3722

Have been there a couple of times and they are decent, a bit more pricy though, usually pay around 80 for an oil-treatment.

Btw. Macau Road = Aomen Lu (for you non Chinese speakers)

cheers
/T


Now that is strange; I always do a search on the forum for new place that I come across, for this case, I searched Macau Lu, Macau Road, Aomen Lu, Aomen Road, none of them returned that post???

AG

Ok, I'll Take that back.... I should had do a search on only "Aomen"

AG

Chop Sticks
05-10-06, 17:19
It doesnt matter if she is a freebie or not.
It seems you dont have a business background otherwise you could do your own research and calculation. So better dont do it.




I think I may be doing something foolish so here I am asking for advice.

I got to know this gal a freebie to me of course. she suggested she wants to set up a steam boat shop and wish to pathner with me. The inital setup cost for the next 3 to 6 mths cost about 50000rmb. Not a big sum of money to set up a small business.

From my point of view, 50000rmb is not a problem even if the business does not work out. The thing is do you guys think I should go into business with some freebie. She has a very poor background which made me feel like helping her do something thus the so called business plan from her.

So how do you guys think about this.

What I feel is that i may just get tired of her perhaps in a few months time. 50000 is not really a big issue but that also equals to gettiing alot of gals in action.

I dont love her!

Only feel like helping her.

ADVISE anyone?

Cebu Local
05-10-06, 23:08
I think I may be doing something foolish so here I am asking for advice.

I got to know this gal a freebie to me of course. she suggested she wants to set up a steam boat shop and wish to pathner with me. The inital setup cost for the next 3 to 6 mths cost about 50000rmb. Not a big sum of money to set up a small business.

From my point of view, 50000rmb is not a problem even if the business does not work out. The thing is do you guys think I should go into business with some freebie. She has a very poor background which made me feel like helping her do something thus the so called business plan from her.

So how do you guys think about this.

What I feel is that i may just get tired of her perhaps in a few months time. 50000 is not really a big issue but that also equals to gettiing alot of gals in action.

I dont love her!

Only feel like helping her.

ADVISE anyone?I have personally helped girls get ahead with their lives in the PI and Thailand,I have personally put 4 girls through college,So I am one of the nice guys here BUT If you dont really know her,Be prepared to kiss your 50000 RMB bye bye,That is a lot of pussy you can buy for 50000 RMB.BUT if you genuinely like her enough to want to help her,Ask if she has any background in running a hotpot restaurant,Since restaurants China included have a high failure rate.If none forget it,You are throwing away 50000 without really helping her.If She has a solid business plan and experience maybe having worked in a Hotpot restaurant.Then you MAY help her,Have a Chinese Lawyer document a 50000 Loan to her with terms conditions etc,That way you can get a decent chance to get the 50000 back in case she suceeds.Before the other guys on the board get on my case for being naive.Look at Donna Mae in the PI thread the escort with her own section who graduated Magna Cum laude with a business degree and now owns several small businesses.She is one of the people I helped.It is nice to give someone a life changing experience,But do so because you want to not because of the free pussy.So Helping her is your call,But if this is 50000 for pussy that is way too much unless you genuinely like her enough to help her,then do so but with proper legal protection.Just my 2 centavos opinion

Asiansing
05-11-06, 03:23
It doesnt matter if she is a freebie or not.
It seems you dont have a business background otherwise you could do your own research and calculation. So better dont do it.Hi, chop sticks, it is not i do not have a business background or anything, its just that this time there is a girl in the case.

Well, i am managing my family business here in shanghai and am doing quite well so i think i am about the around the average in terms of business background.

I did not do any research on the business as i have no intrest in the food business. I am just thinking wheather i want to help her out. 50000 is not a small sum of money neither is it big. But as Cebu said, its not worth while just for a pussy haha.

Think i have to think it through.

Sniffer
05-11-06, 04:55
Agreed with what Cebu Local and Chop Sticks said.

Many people is China with less education love to open small businesses like restaurants and clothing shops. Yet neither one is any easy business. To run a restaurant, you need to deal with inventory control, cost control. quality control, customer services. The girls that we deal with have absolutely no concepts on these, despite they think they do. On top of all these, there are the realtionship with government, landlord, etc.

Most people who open restaurants in China actually prepared a sum of money they can throw away, as you don't get much business in the first couple of months. Or if you do, you won't get much net profit because of a lot of the initial expenses.

RMB 50000 is a lot of money, but I don't think it's enough for this throwing away process.

Owning business has always been seen as a better alternatives over working in China. People fail to realize that at the end of the day, when you add everything together (long hours, capital investment, stress, no holiday), their actual income may actually be less than working in a half decent paying job.

On the other hand, if this girl is looking for a real and long term improvement for herself and her living condition, RMB 50000 can do a lot for her, if she is serious. That could be used on some training courses or even formal schooling. We are not talking about univesity degrees, but something like a 1-year diploma, etc. Or at least, that could be used to support her through the time when she takes on a new job and being put on training, which mean she wouldn't have much income.

I've been talking to a freebie of mine lately and encouraging her to change job to become a beatician or a manicurist. (She works in a BBS now.) She couldn't decide. The training period for this kind of job could be anywhere between 3-12 months. And they got no paid or very little during that. But once they are trained, if they are good, and know how to please the customers, the pay is actually not bad when you includes the tips. It still can't match what some of the girls earn in a BBS. But they don't have to work overnight and get f**ked by 5-6 strange men everynight.

That's just some of my thoughts.

Sniffer



I think I may be doing something foolish so here I am asking for advice.

I got to know this gal a freebie to me of course. she suggested she wants to set up a steam boat shop and wish to pathner with me. The inital setup cost for the next 3 to 6 mths cost about 50000rmb. Not a big sum of money to set up a small business.

From my point of view, 50000rmb is not a problem even if the business does not work out. The thing is do you guys think I should go into business with some freebie. She has a very poor background which made me feel like helping her do something thus the so called business plan from her.

So how do you guys think about this.

What I feel is that i may just get tired of her perhaps in a few months time. 50000 is not really a big issue but that also equals to gettiing alot of gals in action.

I dont love her!

Only feel like helping her.

ADVISE anyone?

Ace Gallant
05-11-06, 07:59
Hi, chop sticks, it is not i do not have a business background or anything, its just that this time there is a girl in the case.

Well, i am managing my family business here in shanghai and am doing quite well so i think i am about the around the average in terms of business background.

I did not do any research on the business as i have no intrest in the food business. I am just thinking wheather i want to help her out. 50000 is not a small sum of money neither is it big. But as Cebu said, its not worth while just for a pussy haha.

Think i have to think it through.


I think I may be doing something foolish so here I am asking for advice.

I got to know this gal a freebie to me of course. she suggested she wants to set up a steam boat shop and wish to pathner with me. The inital setup cost for the next 3 to 6 mths cost about 50000rmb. Not a big sum of money to set up a small business.

From my point of view, 50000rmb is not a problem even if the business does not work out. The thing is do you guys think I should go into business with some freebie. She has a very poor background which made me feel like helping her do something thus the so called business plan from her.

So how do you guys think about this.

What I feel is that i may just get tired of her perhaps in a few months time. 50000 is not really a big issue but that also equals to gettiing alot of gals in action.

I dont love her!

Only feel like helping her.

ADVISE anyone?

Asiasing,

I hope you had not parted with your money yet. If you did, you can kiss your money goodbye!

Let's look at it from a business point of view:

Although 50,000RMB is not a big amount neither is it a small amount. To a lot of locals that is their Annual Salary. But It is not big enough to open a steam boat restaurant. Unless you are talking about a small food stall by the road side!

Let me try to do the math’s for you:

If you get a Shop space of about 100Sqm at a reasonable district will comes about 10,000 / month. Initial payment of 3 months = 30,000 + 1 month deposit total of 40,000.

Now you bring in the other stuff like furniture, cooking stuff, that's another 20,000

Cooking ingredients: 5000

Other licenses and admin: 3000

Total 68,000

I don't think your 50,000 even pass the first month! Right after you pay her, she will be back for more money.

Freebie or not.... from a business point of view, it does not even tie into the budgets! How can you be sure you will make money within one month from opening? Remember on the second month variable overheads like the Salaries, Utilities bills, etc kicks in...

Now; from the freebie point of view. 50,000 is too much to pay to maintain a girl for 3 months! Like Cebu had done; I myself had put girls though education and is at the moment putting one though her English Class, it still cost less than 50,000 in 3 to 6 months! Anyways, I put them though education is not in hope to get them as freebie. Even if I had sexual relationship with them it is no longer a freebie anymore. Besides, considering you spend 1000 for LT on fantastic girl in Shanghai, that is 50 girls you can screw!

Of course, when I put someone though education, I am not looking in the direction of getting any in returns but often the girls do not think it that way in China, they turn around thinking that the best way to return my favor is by sex. But having said that, if you agree on paying her 50,000 to start a business; and since you do not love her; your return of investment is nothing but a regular screwing hole. 50,000 is a lot to pay for a screwing hole not to mention with that money, as I mention above; you can change 50 screwing holes.

Get the picture?
AG

Asiansing
05-11-06, 08:10
[QUOTE=Asian Gambler]Asiasing,

I hope you had not parted with your money yet. If you did, you can kiss your money goodbye!

Let's look at it from a business point of view:

Although 50,000RMB is not a small amount, it is not big enough to open a steam boat restaurant. Unless you are talking about a small food stall by the road side!

Yap your right. Its just a small food stall by the side. I asked her how much would be needed and she says 50000rmb.

I have not given her the money and wont do so unless i am certain.

After much thought into this, i agree with Cebu, if i want to somehow help her, I guess rather then setting a road side stall for her, i might as well put her through courses that she could upgrade herself in.

By doing this, if i want out of the relationship with her, it would be much easier right guys?

Santa
05-11-06, 08:15
[QUOTE=Squib Boy]

In terms of mongering activities I enlisted the services of "Dragon D". Yeah, for whatever reason he seems to be very controversial on this board, but please save your flames for somebody else. End quote by Squib Boy.

Santa's reply. I think the consensus here is that we exchange FREE information. There is no need to pay or seek a commission. We give each other FREE information and do not like to see a member then SELL that info to new members.

If you needed a few drinking buddies and info, you could have sent a few private messages to other members. You would have had an even better time in Shanghai. They would have charged you nothing!

Asiansing
05-11-06, 08:29
Thanks guys for all the advise given. Thought it through and have decided not to do anything silly for the moment.

Anyway, one question I would like to put into this forum as I have never seen it being discussed in this forum.

How much does one need to pay a girl in shanghai to be his mistress full time? And I am not talking about freebies or anything, more to the kind of money transaction deal.

Is there a range for this? Perhaps 3000++in a month?

Why I asked this question is because one gal from blue angel is actualy intrested in leaving the pub but cant bear to leave the high salary she is getting for the low wages as a normal office lady. So I jokingly said that if she quits her job, I will equal her salary which is 2500+- a month to accompany me.

She is thinking about it now but I guess what I offered is quite low.

What do you guys think?

Ace Gallant
05-11-06, 08:33
In terms of mongering activities I enlisted the services of "Dragon D". Yeah, for whatever reason he seems to be very controversial on this board, but please save your flames for somebody else. End quote by Squib Boy.

Santa's reply. I think the consensus here is that we exchange FREE information. There is no need to pay or seek a commission. We give each other FREE information and do not like to see a member then "sell" that info to new members.

If you needed a few drinking buddies and info, you could have sent a few private messages to other members. You would have had an even better time in Shanghai. They would have charged you nothing!

Santa,

I think if anyone feels that he want to pays extra for making him happy, why do we need to stop him? Afterall, all this information on ISG is free and I am sure many of the members are more than willing to help or meet up if we only ask. What I totally agree with you is that; we are not couraging people from taking all these info that is free and making in into a money spinning opportunity.

Squib Boy,

You should hang out with the Gang man... At the most you get to buy a beer. I am sure most of us in the gang love mongering out together and without charging each other for anything. As a matter of fact sometimes some of us felt bad for not contributing and buys each other beers!

Note:

Who knows: Squib Boy = Dragon D?

AG

Albert Punter
05-11-06, 12:19
I agree with other members who discouraged you to enter that type of situation.

Let me also add that mixing pleasure with some form of business may completely change the picture, and sex with her may not be enjoyable anymore.

So, in case you are willing to "waste" 50.000, use them just for fun.


I think I may be doing something foolish so here I am asking for advice.

I got to know this gal a freebie to me of course. she suggested she wants to set up a steam boat shop and wish to pathner with me. The inital setup cost for the next 3 to 6 mths cost about 50000rmb. Not a big sum of money to set up a small business.

From my point of view, 50000rmb is not a problem even if the business does not work out. The thing is do you guys think I should go into business with some freebie. She has a very poor background which made me feel like helping her do something thus the so called business plan from her.

So how do you guys think about this.

What I feel is that i may just get tired of her perhaps in a few months time. 50000 is not really a big issue but that also equals to gettiing alot of gals in action.

I dont love her!

Only feel like helping her.

ADVISE anyone?

Albert Punter
05-11-06, 12:21
Note:

Who knows: Squib Boy = Dragon D?

AG


p.s. I dont like people like Dragon D taking advantage of the free information available here and making money out of them

Ace Gallant
05-11-06, 12:37
p.s. I dont like people like Dragon D taking advantage of the free information available here and making money out of them

I have to take this out of me or I will not be able to enjoy myself screwing tonight.

Sorry Dragon; although I have no objections you doing those Visa stuff, but making money out of something that is free is worst than the guy The Vulture. At least he said he loves dead meat. But what you are doing is like taking Dead Meat and selling it! Sound like one of the Chinese Pancakes shop in the news recently, caught for using dead pig's meat in their Pancakes!

Nothing personal but I think you should stop this.

AG

Dragon D
05-11-06, 16:54
God lord guys,

Pleae get off my case. I deal with my clients never asking them to endorse me here. The people I have dealt with are usually upscale business people who don't have the time to set up play time with you all because they are only here for a couple of days. I am more of a escort angency/business consultant. People use my services for travel, translation, and yes pretty women they can fuck. Also lots of people don't like meeting a whole bunch of strangers, and to be honest, do you guys honestly have time to meet all the new guys that come into town at the last min?

As for the squib boy=dragon d? That is not true and you can ask Jackson to check the records to verify. He was just one of my clients that had a good time with a girl.

Albert: Sorry you don't feel good but I must say, I don't need to use any of the information you guys post here in order to get women for people. I have enough in one BBS to keep all my clients happy.

AG, Santa, and Albert: You guys are old school here and very much respected on the board. But old school means you have been at this game in town a long time and it is easy to just say RTFF to people. RTFF doesn't always help people and no Chinese can be intimidating to people here for the first time. I respect your opinion but other people feel the need to PM me, then that is their business. I am not harming anyone or ripping anyone off my fees cover my transportation and payouts, leaving me with enough to get a nice piece of ass for a ST.

In conclusion, I have an ad in the proper section and don't promote myself here on the Shanghai section. I am not breaking any rules and I help the niche market who needs my services.

PS: We don't need a dragon bashing after this post. Lets just all get along and play nice.

Cheers all

Albert Punter
05-11-06, 17:39
Just allow me to invite you to share freely all the knowledge and the information you got, as we all do here.

Become youself part of the "old school".




PS: We don't need a dragon bashing after this post. Lets just all get along and play nice.
Cheers all

p.s. You can still keep your business on for people who don't have the time to set up play time with us all

Squib Boy
05-11-06, 19:33
Who knows: Squib Boy = Dragon D?

AG
Oh please...I think all the time you appear to have on your hands is causing paranoia to set in.

Andrew 2
05-11-06, 22:44
Had an interesting offer from one of the evening waitresses which she noted that when I was in Shanghai she would consider being a second wife, as I am there once a month for a week or so each time. For this the consideration would be Shopping, Dinners the odd trip plus the use of the apartment .

Has anyone else had a similar offer and or is this just another little scam, where they ultimately look for large remuneration ??

Cebu Local
05-11-06, 23:38
Had an interesting offer from one of the evening waitresses which she noted that when I was in Shanghai she would consider being a second wife, as I am there once a month for a week or so each time. For this the consideration would be Shopping, Dinners the odd trip plus the use of the apartment .

Has anyone else had a similar offer and or is this just another little scam, where they ultimately look for large remuneration ??
This is a very common offer all over China,Imagine staying at a nice place,Shopping and Dining ,Getting Stuff She would have a value getting more then She normally earns in a month.I have gotten offers of Zhuhai wife also,Others have gotten offers of SZ or GZ wives etc.Just make sure it doesnt get out of hand

Cebu Local
05-12-06, 00:00
In conclusion, I have an ad in the proper section and don't promote myself here on the Shanghai section. I am not breaking any rules and I help the niche market who needs my services.

PS: We don't need a dragon bashing after this post. Lets just all get along and play nice.

Cheers allI have exchanged PM s with Dragon D mostly about visa stuff and I would like to say he is a likable person.Furthermore being in the service industry ,He does provide a service beyond providing women,So it would be unfair to compare him to a pimp.He really provides guide service,translation,visa processing etc and there are really clients like that in the travel industry who want a room,car and a girl waiting in the room all arranged for them,they are to lazy to go out.I have a Singaporean friend who is also a Senior board member here who provides tours complete with golf,hotel room and girl all inclusive for well off Singaporean businessmen going to Hatyai,BKK or Indonesia.So as long as he keeps from promoting himself on the Shanghai board and sticks to the Ad section.We should leave him alone to earn his "play "money.Just my 2 centavos opinion

Santa
05-12-06, 00:17
The vast majority of the members are "exchanging" free information. Therefore, they do not like to see another member using that information to get money from new or visiting members.

The result will be senior members will no longer be happy to provide new information.

Other members will feel that Dragon D is not "exchanging" free information, he is taking and selling. Therefore, other contributing members naturally resent that.

Cebu Local
05-12-06, 00:29
The vast majority of the members are exchanging information for free. Therefore, they do not like to see another member using that information to get money from new or visting members.

The result will be senior members will no longer want to provide new information.

I already know from some private messages I have received that they are reluctant to share new information.I provide free travel advice to the the point it is taking up to an hour a day since I am answering 10-15 PM s a day about Macau,PI,Malaysia etc.However I can afford to do so because I own a decent sized Travel business.I do not mind a guy trying to earn extra money by providing services AS LONG AS ITS IN THE PROPER AREA.But that is just my humble opinion and I defer to the opinion of the Majority here.By the way for the record I have never availed of Dragon D s services,though I have no problem endorsing him to clients of mine looking for such services.

Ace Gallant
05-12-06, 01:09
Oh please...I think all the time you appear to have on your hands is causing paranoia to set in.

Just one question: Since you have a great service from Dragon D, why do you need to read the board anymore? Just get it from Dragon D, he reads the board all the time! I am sure he can update you what is on the board daily for a fee?

to answer your question: Yes I do have more time than others, that because I am semi-retired. But that does not stop me from sharing free information after some girls sessions. I am sure people on the board who knows me will say that I am just about the most daring person who will stop at nothing in mongering so there are nothing to be paranoid about suspecting.

AG

Ace Gallant
05-12-06, 01:34
The vast majority of the members are "exchanging" free information. Therefore, they do not like to see another member using that information to get money from new or visiting members.

The result will be senior members will no longer be happy to provide new information.

Dragon D is not "exchanging" free information, he is taking and selling. Other contributing members naturally resent that.

Actually if you think of it another way;

Member on the board invest in time and money to find good places or sometime experience rip off places. By posting on the board for free, we hope that other fellow members enjoy the good places and don't get ripped off in those bad places.

So, that is why members do not like to see our efforts been used for a profit by someone.

But of course Dragon D's defence is that he knows all of these anyways and does not depends on this information to make his quick bucks. Yes of course, that is fine; regardless of whether you take from the board or not, providing such services is OK as you said; to those who have no time and do not mind paying for something that is free. However I don't think anyone can claims that he know everything about mongering in China. Let's admit it, China is too big for one person's lifetime to know it all, I am sure sometimes you also relied on information on this board and go and find out places in order to provide further information.

However Dragon D, you had a bad start by advertising yourself on this thread as a provider, providing the exact same information on locations that was posted on the board already. That make you no difference from a Pimp who is trying to 'compete' with sometime that is already free. To compete with something that is already free will makes you in the eyes of some members "as trying to ripped off unwary people".

Again; as I mentioned before in some of my earlier post; I have no objections for Dragon D to provide service or exclusive services or any services not available on the board. But Dragon D please keep in mind, do not cross the line by commenting on postings of members because you are not entilted to; as they provide it for free while you charge a fee for them. Whilst helpful comments like, telling a fellow members the exact price of service from particular places will be welcome.

Dragon D, nothing personal, wish you a good business and let this matter rest.

AG

Gualtier Malde
05-12-06, 08:50
Dragon, I agree with AP: you can totally redeem yourself simply by sharing your experiences freely on the forum. Just using the forum as a free advertising venue is sleezy. Why not, for example, talk about where you monger, or talk about the prices you are getting at the BBSs you frequent, or the quality of girls you are finding, or photos, or advice to folks who want to go out on their own? Anything! BBSs and BBS areas are always coming and going. Note AG's recent post that got folks interested in the Changde Lu area. Why not offer information like that? I'm sure, if you are as intimate with Shanghai as you indicate, that you could do this.

If you did any of those things, no one would have any issue with you or your offers of help. It is just that your model at the moment is very much like a leech. Take from the site (free advertising and exposure) but give nothing at all back.

Just my opinion.

David

Paulb
05-12-06, 11:09
Has any one out there use the services of Viplily.com? The company I work for has booked two girls to work on a stand at a trade show in Shanghai in July.

Gualtier Malde
05-12-06, 11:27
I guess we can say "RIP for the one of your very fresh members". (He posted this request in February.)

David




Dears members (especially seniors),

I am very fresh member and I have a Shangai business visit and need your very valuable (especially from seniors) advise and contact numbers by PM. Economy, Safety and quality is very important for me. (Is it imposible three of them? ).

Please remember after I come back, I promise I will write the all story with picture if I can. Otherwise you say RIP for the one of your very fresh members.

Ace Gallant
05-12-06, 11:42
I guess we can say "RIP for the one of your very fresh members". (He posted this request in February.)

David

David,

This member posted 6 posts and out of the 6 posts three of them are as follows:




Forum: India 02-25-06, 15:36
Reports: 457 New Delhi

Need seniors help ( as usual asking question )
________________________________________
Dears members (especially seniors),

I am very fresh member and I have a Dilli business visit and need your very valuable (especially from seniors) advise and contact numbers by PM. Economy, Safety and quality is very important for me. (Is it imposible three of them? ).

Please remember after I come back, I promise I will write the all story with picture if I can. Otherwise you say RIP for the one of your very fresh members.

Need advise and info.



02-25-06, 15:52
Reports: 1,508 Istanbul

Dears members (especially seniors),

I am very fresh member and I have a Istanbul business visit and need your very valuable (especially from seniors) advise and contact numbers by PM. Economy, Safety and quality is very important for me. (Is it imposible three of them? ). Please remember after I come back, I promise I will write the all story with picture if I can.

Otherwise you say RIP for the one of your very fresh members.

PS: One of my guest is Turkish and he do not prefer to go to Laleli and Aksaray.

Thanks and good FISHING (I prefere fishing rather than HUNTING)

need advise and info .




02-25-06, 15:54
Reports: 814 Bucharest

Dears members (especially seniors),

I am very fresh member and I have a Bucharest business visit and need your very valuable (especially from seniors) advise and contact numbers by PM. Economy, Safety and quality is very important for me. (Is it imposible three of them? ). Please remember after I come back, I promise I will write the all story with picture if I can. Otherwise you say RIP for the one of your very fresh members.

Thanks and good fishing.

And including the Shanghai one you had quoted that's 4 out of 6.




02-25-06, 15:49
Reports: 5,449 East China - Shanghai

Need Help.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

THIS CORRECTION OF MY PREVIOUS NOTE Please accept my apology;

Dears members (especially seniors),

I am very fresh member and I have a Shangai business visit and need your very valuable (especially from seniors) advise and contact numbers by PM. Economy, Safety and quality is very important for me. (Is it imposible three of them? ).

Please remember after I come back, I promise I will write the all story with picture if I can. Otherwise you say RIP for the one of your very fresh members.



So this person had RIP 4 times. How can this person be in 4 places in the same time? So he must be a ghost! hahahaha

AG

OldAsiaHand
05-12-06, 15:07
Asiasing,

Did you really consider giving the girl 50,000? Wow, that's over 300 STs at the rates I pay!

A friend of mine from HK had a Fujian freebie in Shenzhen. He set-up a massage with happy ending place for her run since she was bored during the week. He only came over on the weekends. She brought the whole family down from Xiamen to live off the place. It never made money. Finally, he got fed up feeding the place and her family. Her cousins took over and ran it into the ground. He lost everything, including the freebie. Morale of the story, freebies with a poor background cannot run a business.

Just my POV.

OAH

OldAsiaHand
05-12-06, 15:12
Squib Boy,

How much did you pay for the BBS ST arranged by Dragon D?

OAH

Santa
05-12-06, 16:50
Squib Boy,

How much did you pay for the BBS ST arranged by Dragon D?

OAH

I already asked by PM. Squib boy paid 600 to Dragon D, which D must have split with his co-pimp. Squib Boy paid an additional 200 to the girl, which was her wages. Total 800 for a barbershop girl.

Squib Boy had 2 pops over a 3 hour period in his hotel room. The agreement was for long time but she insisted on leaving early, so she couldn't have been as "enthusiastic" as he thinks.

To us that sounds like a ripoff, but to Squib it was ok. He was only in town for a few days and was happy to pay to be chaperoned by a friendly guy who speaks chinese. To RTFF takes a lot of time, and if he had gone hunting on his own he may have done worse and gotten bad service. So he didn't mind paying extra.

I think other members might be angered that the forum is being used by Dragon D to run a profitable pimping service. Consequently, they will not want to post new information, especially on the Shanghai board.

Squib Boy
05-12-06, 18:19
I think other members might be angered that the forum is being used by Dragon D to run a profitable pimping service. Consequently, they will not want to post new information, especially on the Shanghai board.

To be perfectly honest, I feel that the attitude and behavior of some of the frequent contributors on this board creates an environment that scares off relative newbies like myself who may want to contribute, for fear of being flamed or unfairly criticized. I for one now regret having posted my experiences here, and as a result will no longer contribute to this board unless this attitude changes. It's unfortunate that the Shanghai board can't exhibit the same level of civility that I see with most of the other ISG boards. Cheers.

GlenEagle
05-12-06, 18:21
Thanks guys for all the advise given. Thought it through and have decided not to do anything silly for the moment.

Anyway, one question I would like to put into this forum as I have never seen it being discussed in this forum.

How much does one need to pay a girl in shanghai to be his mistress full time? And I am not talking about freebies or anything, more to the kind of money transaction deal.

Is there a range for this? Perhaps 3000++in a month?

Why I asked this question is because one gal from blue angel is actualy intrested in leaving the pub but cant bear to leave the high salary she is getting for the low wages as a normal office lady. So I jokingly said that if she quits her job, I will equal her salary which is 2500+- a month to accompany me.

She is thinking about it now but I guess what I offered is quite low.

What do you guys think?I have spoken to ladies on this issue and the understanding that I have is for local shanghainese girl, it is RMB 10K per month to be a full time mistress whereas for girls from other cities, it is about RMB 3k.

Personally, I don't believe in keeping someone full time hence could not verify these fees. Any other input on this subject.

GlenEagle
05-12-06, 18:23
Thanks guys for all the advise given. Thought it through and have decided not to do anything silly for the moment.

Anyway, one question I would like to put into this forum as I have never seen it being discussed in this forum.

How much does one need to pay a girl in shanghai to be his mistress full time? And I am not talking about freebies or anything, more to the kind of money transaction deal.

Is there a range for this? Perhaps 3000++in a month?

Why I asked this question is because one gal from blue angel is actualy intrested in leaving the pub but cant bear to leave the high salary she is getting for the low wages as a normal office lady. So I jokingly said that if she quits her job, I will equal her salary which is 2500+- a month to accompany me.

She is thinking about it now but I guess what I offered is quite low.

What do you guys think?I have spoken to some ladies previously on this subject and the understanding that I have was for local shanghainese girl, it is RMB 10K per month to be a full time mistress whereas for girls from other cities, it is about RMB 3k.

Personally, I don't believe in keeping someone full time hence could not verify these fees. Any other input on this subject will be much appreciated.

Gualtier Malde
05-12-06, 19:26
Blue Angel is a chat bar - the employees are trained to get you to buy drinks, again and again and...

Dice is a drinking game. You lose, you drink - aagain and again and again...

The two are not compatible. DO NOT play dice at Blue Angel. DO NOT play dice at Blue Angel. Asain Gambler, if you are listening my friend and I are in deep deep trouble.. We are drinking drinking drinking and the ladies are cuter and cuter. I fear we will not see tomorrow. Please send backup. Resistance is futile.

Oh My God! It's full of stars!

Perhaps my last ever post......... David.............

Bob Builder
05-12-06, 21:24
Had an interesting offer from one of the evening waitresses which she noted that when I was in Shanghai she would consider being a second wife, as I am there once a month for a week or so each time. For this the consideration would be Shopping, Dinners the odd trip plus the use of the apartment .

Has anyone else had a similar offer and or is this just another little scam, where they ultimately look for large remuneration ??

I normally encourage these types of arrangements as it gives me a nice clean place to stay for free. I have encountered countless numbers of these arrangements and guess what guys, they are not normally exclusive. There may be more than 1 guy paying the same rent. I have even met one who had 3 different guys renting 3 different apartments for her.

But the main thing is that you feel that you are getting value for money while you are there. If get too attached and you worry about what happens when you are not there you are getting into the wrong game.

As for Shaghaiese(deliberate typo), I wouldn't pay RMB1,000 let alone RMB10,000, IMHO.

Santa
05-12-06, 22:20
Squib boy quote "I for one now regret having posted my experiences here, and as a result will no longer contribute to this board".

OK

Cebu Local
05-12-06, 22:55
To be perfectly honest, I feel that the attitude and behavior of some of the frequent contributors on this board creates an environment that scares off relative newbies like myself who may want to contribute, for fear of being flamed or unfairly criticized. I for one now regret having posted my experiences here, and as a result will no longer contribute to this board unless this attitude changes. It's unfortunate that the Shanghai board can't exhibit the same level of civility that I see with most of the other ISG boards. Cheers.Squib Boy I dont think anybody attacked you personally on the board,It more had to do with your endorsing Dragon D s service,I agree for busy people it is much more convinient for a provider to provide services just like Jakarta after Dark does in the Indonesian threads and he seems to be accepted and liked by the whole board.The reason being he provides lots of free advice and information.But the people on the Shanghai board resent Dragon D s self promotion since He was not providing help or sharing ,HOWEVER if you look at the Travel announcements and Chinese words threads.Dragon D has started to translate offer travel tips etc.This is a step in the right direction.Please continue to share your experiences

Ace Gallant
05-13-06, 00:38
Blue Angel is a chat bar - the employees are trained to get you to buy drinks, again and again and...

Dice is a drinking game. You lose, you drink - aagain and again and again...

The two are not compatible. DO NOT play dice at Blue Angel. DO NOT play dice at Blue Angel. Asain Gambler, if you are listening my friend and I are in deep deep trouble.. We are drinking drinking drinking and the ladies are cuter and cuter. I fear we will not see tomorrow. Please send backup. Resistance is futile.

Oh My God! It's full of stars!

Perhaps my last ever post......... David.............

Hey David,

I cannot leave you guys alone for a while without you guys getting in trouble huh...??? Didn't I told you told careful of your addiction to that Blue Angel girl Shasha?

Rescue is on the way, I am on the way back to Shanghai soon.... so in the mean time stay away from the Blue Angels!

AG

Ace Gallant
05-13-06, 00:44
I already asked by PM. Squib boy paid 600 to Dragon D, which D must have split with his co-pimp. Squib Boy paid an additional 200 to the girl, which was her wages. Total 800 for a barbershop girl.

Squib Boy had 2 pops over a 3 hour period in his hotel room. The agreement was for long time but she insisted on leaving early, so she couldn't have been as "enthusiastic" as he thinks.

To us that sounds like a ripoff, but to Squib it was ok. He was only in town for a few days and was happy to pay to be chaperoned by a friendly guy who speaks chinese. To RTFF takes a lot of time, and if he had gone hunting on his own he may have done worse and gotten bad service. So he didn't mind paying extra.

I think other members might be angered that the forum is being used by Dragon D to run a profitable pimping service. Consequently, they will not want to post new information, especially on the Shanghai board.

800 for 2 pops over 3 hours!!! On my god! 3 hours is considered ST and also the girl is a BBS girl! What a Ripoff!

On Dragon, I am doubtful that he will ever post anything helpful on the board, why, 1) He would not post anything that already appeared on the board as he stated that he do not use the information on the board and therefore to repeat what's on the board will be contradicting to his claims. 2) If he post some information that hasn't appeared on the board before; when he is killing his opportunities to rip off another person who will use his service.

AG

Ace Gallant
05-13-06, 00:56
I normally encourage these types of arrangements as it gives me a nice clean place to stay for free. I have encountered countless numbers of these arrangements and guess what guys, they are not normally exclusive. There may be more than 1 guy paying the same rent. I have even met one who had 3 different guys renting 3 different apartments for her.

But the main thing is that you feel that you are getting value for money while you are there. If get too attached and you worry about what happens when you are not there you are getting into the wrong game.

As for Shaghaiese(deliberate typo), I wouldn't pay RMB1,000 let alone RMB10,000, IMHO.

Very wise Bob, Very wise advice!

Andrew; normally a smart women who will think of such a service offer will be smarter to make her offer non-exclusive. You would be paying for the rent of some place and not knowingly you are sharing the same women with some other man while you are away and sometimes may be even when you are there! Or you would be paying rent for a apartment that is occupied by someone else (Sub-leased out)

I had not came across this offer before but I had in experience viewed some apartments (during my search for apartments) that the apartment "belong" to a women who is a mistress of some foreign businessman. The agent whom I known for a couple of year secretly told me that this women has a couple of such apartments for lease.

AG

Ace Gallant
05-13-06, 01:16
To be perfectly honest, I feel that the attitude and behavior of some of the frequent contributors on this board creates an environment that scares off relative newbies like myself who may want to contribute, for fear of being flamed or unfairly criticized. I for one now regret having posted my experiences here, and as a result will no longer contribute to this board unless this attitude changes. It's unfortunate that the Shanghai board can't exhibit the same level of civility that I see with most of the other ISG boards. Cheers.

Squib Boy,

I think the person who came into this board with an attitude is you yourself. There is nothing wrong with Sharing information for free. There is also nothing wrong about you using Dragon's services and getting Ripped off.

As matter of fact, we appreciate newbies to share their experience and by doing so, member of the board will be informed of any good services and be warned of there are any ripped off.

As mentioned there is no objections for you to use Dragon D and paying him for his services, but have you think of the fact of what you had created on the BBS girl side? You had overpaid her and thus in other terms "Spoilt the Market". Now other member who might had paid her 150 for ST will now face with tough negotiation when trying the use her service considering that Dragon may had split 300 (out of your 600) + your extra 200 = Total of 500. The same girl will not want 150 for ST anymore as she will think that there is always someone sucker out there willing to pay more than 150 for her service.

It may be a fair game for you considering you had "Threw money" to get what you wanted in short period of time you are in Shanghai. But you had left behind an aftermath that regular monger have to live with.

The whole purpose of this board is to share experience for good places and the ensure that mongers do not get ripped off. I for sure want to stick to this rule and will not endorse anyone that does not follow this rule.

Look at it this way; Regulars contributors does not gain anything from posting good information on the board. In fact we tend to lose more as we have to spend the time and getting expose to criticism from people like you. It is totally ok for you not to contribute on this board anymore which in turn I will tell you, you must as well not Read or use any information on this board as you do not appreciate the efforts that all these good members had put in!

Good Bye
AG

Ace Gallant
05-13-06, 01:21
Has any one out there use the services of Viplily.com? The company I work for has booked two girls to work on a stand at a trade show in Shanghai in July.

It is a High Class escort agency. The girls are nice, although I would not say the best in China or Shanghai. But the price they charge is very pricely.

Enjoy
AG

Sebastian My
05-13-06, 01:40
Hey David,
I cannot leave you guys alone for a while without you guys getting in trouble huh...??? Didn't I told you told careful of your addiction to that Blue Angel girl Shasha?
Rescue is on the way, I am on the way back to Shanghai soon.... so in the mean time stay away from the Blue Angels!
AG

Its easy to get addicted to ShaSha - i was very sad when she found that english boyfriend last year, but it did not work out and she is back - which is good for all the ShaSha fans out their. (There is something about her face which is irresistable - ahhh) Nice attitude also.

Jbritt
05-13-06, 01:43
Very wise Bob, Very wise advice!

I had not came across this offer before but I had in experience viewed some apartments (during my search for apartments) that the apartment "belong" to a women who is a mistress of some foreign businessman. The agent whom I known for a couple of year secretly told me that this women has a couple of such apartments for lease.

AG ag, curious how this would work. If she sublets the apartment, what does she do when sugar daddy comes into town? Does she tell him the place is being fumigated and they need to go to her 'other' place or to a hotel? What kind of daddy would fall for that? Personally I wouldn't trust any of these ladies further than I could throw them. But to each his own I guess.

Gualtier Malde
05-13-06, 04:15
Imagine my surprise and relief, when just as I was slipping slowly out of my chair, I hear a voice behind me: "I smell a cigar, it must be David!".

PlutoNYC, to the rescue!

We managed to keep each other propped up and safe until about 5am, when I finally decided to call it a - um - morning?

Counting my cash this morning I found that, all in all, it wasn't too damaging. Considering that I was buying for a couple of folks, I spent more than usual, but we had a great time and it wasn't a shocking amount more. I guess the mongering instincts still work when I'm drunk on my ass...

AG: Sha Sha wasn't the cause tonight. We were being Shanghaied by Anna and Lisa. The good news is they totally suck at playing dice. The bad news is that so did we, plus we were drunk... :-)

David


Blue Angel is a chat bar - the employees are trained to get you to buy drinks, again and again and...

Dice is a drinking game. You lose, you drink - aagain and again and again...

The two are not compatible. DO NOT play dice at Blue Angel. DO NOT play dice at Blue Angel. Asain Gambler, if you are listening my friend and I are in deep deep trouble.. We are drinking drinking drinking and the ladies are cuter and cuter. I fear we will not see tomorrow. Please send backup. Resistance is futile.

Oh My God! It's full of stars!

Perhaps my last ever post......... David.............

Santa
05-13-06, 04:58
I posted a reply to Squib Boy, but I posted it in the General Info board by mistake. Post #1214

OldAsiaHand
05-13-06, 07:39
As usual, I cannot help putting in my 2 cents (fen).

There is no question that paying 800 RMB for a 150-200 RMB BBS girl is being ripped off from my perspective. And, IMHO, Dragon taking 600 (75%) of 800 as a service fee is still pimping even if you are not beating the girls and getting them hooked on drugs as some may portray a pimp.

One can argue that it is common practice in the industry. Consider MPs in Thailand where the split is similar, however, the house is providing the room and all the facilities. On the other hand, consider BBS, Sauna and KTV in China where the girl usually gets more than the shop/mama. In these cases, the middleperson is giving some real benefit to the provider other than just a paying customer.

On the question of spoiling the market, since the girl/establishment only got 200 RMB, I do not think it is affected if it is a developed BBS area often patronized by international mongers. The problem arises when the an area has been strictly local and then infiltrated by the swinging dicks with deep pockets who do not know any better.

I feel the same as Santa and Asian Gambler since I also provide the same service as Dragon D does for free. Case in point is a recent visit to S. China by Asian Gambler himself. Cronin went out of his way to pick him up and I drove us all down to Nansha and laid down all the intelligence on the area for free. I even made sure he did not pay too much. Call me a fool if you like, but I reckon that is the purpose of this forum.

Just my POV.

OAH

Ace Gallant
05-13-06, 11:32
Imagine my surprise and relief, when just as I was slipping slowly out of my chair, I hear a voice behind me: "I smell a cigar, it must be David!".

PlutoNYC, to the rescue!

We managed to keep each other propped up and safe until about 5am, when I finally decided to call it a - um - morning?

Counting my cash this morning I found that, all in all, it wasn't too damaging. Considering that I was buying for a couple of folks, I spent more than usual, but we had a great time and it wasn't a shocking amount more. I guess the mongering instincts still work when I'm drunk on my ass...

AG: Sha Sha wasn't the cause tonight. We were being Shanghaied by Anna and Lisa. The good news is they totally suck at playing dice. The bad news is that so did we, plus we were drunk... :-)

David

Dam! If you wasn't drunk, you might get around to squeeze those big knockers of Lisa! As mentioned she is the Bust Master of Blue Angels and also still a Virgin! hehehe...

Enjoy buddies! I'll be back soon!
AG

Ace Gallant
05-13-06, 11:45
I feel the same as Santa and Asian Gambler since I also provide the same service as Dragon D does for free. Case in point is a recent visit to S. China by Asian Gambler himself. Cronin went out of his way to pick him up and I drove us all down to Nansha and laid down all the intelligence on the area for free. I even made sure he did not pay too much. Call me a fool if you like, but I reckon that is the purpose of this forum.

Just my POV.

OAH

This is exactly what I meant! Cronin been such hospitable guy, I feel bad and owing to Cronin. Not to mentioned that I keep reminding myself that I owe you and Mr. B for the great drive and the evening out in the South which makes me wants to return the favor to all of you guys the moment we get together again. This should be the spirit of the forum and not trying to make money off each other (not to mention ripping off fellows members).

The Gang in Shanghai had often share with each other good places, good events (Like drink all you want Martinis hours, Free food and beers for new openning of friends bars, and many more ;) ... the Gang knows...), also gang swaped bbs girls commonly known to each other as "Wife" ...... We do welcome people to join in the fun. All of these At no charge or additional cost to fellow members.

Likewise, I would like to thanks fellow members for their contributions and much more to Jackson for putting all of these together.

So what the hell? Let's keep this forum information free and give helping hands to mongers for free instead of trying to make a business out of it!

AG

Ace Gallant
05-13-06, 11:51
Its easy to get addicted to ShaSha - i was very sad when she found that english boyfriend last year, but it did not work out and she is back - which is good for all the ShaSha fans out their. (There is something about her face which is irresistable - ahhh) Nice attitude also.

Well... what's new... the girls in this type of joints tell these type of stories all the time. But it is based on such experience that they grow up and become smarter, more resistance to offer themselves as freebie.


Imagine my surprise and relief, when just as I was slipping slowly out of my chair, I hear a voice behind me: "I smell a cigar, it must be David!".

PlutoNYC, to the rescue!



Pluto.... I know you are reading.... time for your next good report! Or else you will never make it to be senior member and we will kick you out of the Gang soon!

Hehehehe....

Just joking... Thanks for saving David's ass! I guess you guys do ok without me and wish you enjoy more of Sat and Sunday but don't wear yourself out yet.. we will paint the town red again when I am back!

AG

Paulb
05-13-06, 12:43
It is a High Class escort agency. The girls are nice, although I would not say the best in China or Shanghai. But the price they charge is very pricely.

Enjoy,

AG

Thank you for your information, one more Question:

I found out they are paying them $60usd each to work at trade show from 10am to 6pm.The photo I saw of the girls they look stunning in there blurb they say they had worked at the motor cycle GP as promotion girls.Hoping they do Escort work after hours what do you Think?

Once again thanks your the man Asian Gambler

Ace Gallant
05-13-06, 16:49
ag, curious how this would work. If she sublets the apartment, what does she do when sugar daddy comes into town? Does she tell him the place is being fumigated and they need to go to her 'other' place or to a hotel? What kind of daddy would fall for that? Personally I wouldn't trust any of these ladies further than I could throw them. But to each his own I guess.

Ah ha.... that where you miss out...

I said the agent told me that this women has a few of these sort of apartments for rent. I suppose she actually keeps one for herself. She is likely to have many sugar daddies spondsering these few apartments but still get rents from the sub-leasee. Whenever one of her Sugar Daddy comes into town she will lead him to the apartment that she is actually staying. The only part which I don't quite get is she must be hell of a juggler if there are more than one Sugar daddy in town....

AG

Ace Gallant
05-13-06, 16:59
Thank you for your information, one more Question:

I found out they are paying them $60usd each to work at trade show from 10am to 6pm.The photo I saw of the girls they look stunning in there blurb they say they had worked at the motor cycle GP as promotion girls.Hoping they do Escort work after hours what do you Think?

Once again thanks your the man Asian Gambler

Try talking to the person that you made bookings. Some girls does extra services some doesn't, I my experience, if the price is right, most of than does. But I am not suggesting Money buys everything.

In the last year's Motor Show, I managed to nail 4 stunters for a price and one of them even ended up to be my freebie after the second business transaction. That's the one I had problems kicking her out from my House in HongQiao earlier this year!

Talk to their manager to save some embarrassment in case the girl you are interested in doesn't. Price is high though...

Enjoy
AG

Jbritt
05-13-06, 17:42
Ah ha.... that where you miss out...

I said the agent told me that this women has a few of these sort of apartments for rent. I suppose she actually keeps one for herself. She is likely to have many sugar daddies spondsering these few apartments but still get rents from the sub-leasee. Whenever one of her Sugar Daddy comes into town she will lead him to the apartment that she is actually staying. The only part which I don't quite get is she must be hell of a juggler if there are more than one Sugar daddy in town....

AGWell that is what I was thinking. Persumably if I were to rent a place for a girl (and for myself when in town), I would actually see the place before renting it and would probably also leave some clothes, etc. So if I come into town with some sugar to spread, and she takes me to an apartment I didn't rent, then the gig would be up. And yes she would have to be quite the juggler if many daddy's come home to roost at the same time! Like ricki used to say to lucy. "you've got some 'splainin to do! "

Btw, still searching for some north koreans in Shanghai!

Sebastian My
05-13-06, 21:24
Well... what's new... the girls in this type of joints tell these type of stories all the time. But it is based on such experience that they grow up and become smarter, more resistance to offer themselves as freebie.
AG

I agree generally, but in this case its true - i met the boyfriend, lives close to me - anyway this was the classic story of girl meet young western guy - thinks he is rich until he takes her home for a holiday and she discovered he is basically not rich - just spends all his money on travel - and to top it off, tells her he is not ready to marry (too young) and does not want her to work in bar where she will meet strange men and possibly do strange things in exchange for red-mao's. She quickly discovered it was a lot harder, boring and less profitable working in a clothing store than a bar. As you can imagine, that went no-where.
I had a better example in beijing, russian girl in town to make some money for her kid, meets young russian student who has rich daddy, but who has no money himself - has to convince him to be her boyfriend during the day but to allow her to have sex with strange chinese and western men in the evening. As you can imagine he did not understand.
This is why a lot of asian girls like "older" men - more understanding, more money, less possessive, less sex, etc, etc. It gives me hope.

As the US cop story goes, there is a million stories in the big city - this is one of them.

Ace Gallant
05-14-06, 01:26
I agree generally, but in this case its true - i met the boyfriend, lives close to me - what a shock i had when i saw shasha at Camberley railway station taking the southern into london - anyway this was the classic story of girl meet young western guy - thinks he is rich until he takes her home for a holiday and she discovered he is basically not rich - just spends all his money on travel - and to top it off, tells her he is not ready to marry (too young) and does not want to work in bar where she will meet strange men and possibly do strange things in exchange for red-mao's. She quickly discovered it was a lot harder, boring and less profitable working in a clothing store than a bar. As you can imagine that went no-where.
I had a better example in beijing, russian girl in town to make some money for her kid, meets young russian student who has rich daddy, but who has no money himself - has to convince him to be her boyfriend during the day but to allow her to have sex with strange chinese and western men in the evening. As you can imagine he did not understand.
This is why a lot of asian girls like "older" men - more understanding, more money, less possessive, less sex, etc, etc. It gives me hope.

As the US cop story goes, there is a million stories in the big city - this is one of them.

Oh No, I believe what you said and that Shasha story is true. Don't misunderstand me.

I am just saying that many of these girls have their own story to tell and Shasha story is one of the common ones.

AG

Ace Gallant
05-14-06, 01:27
Well that is what I was thinking. Persumably if I were to rent a place for a girl (and for myself when in town), I would actually see the place before renting it and would probably also leave some clothes, etc. So if I come into town with some sugar to spread, and she takes me to an apartment I didn't rent, then the gig would be up. And yes she would have to be quite the juggler if many daddy's come home to roost at the same time! Like ricki used to say to lucy. "you've got some 'splainin to do! "

Btw, still searching for some north koreans in Shanghai!

Haven't you check out the KTV at Rainbow Hotel?

AG

Fast Eddie 48
05-14-06, 01:41
Rojam disco at hong kong plaza , Anyone have any luck picking up freelancer
or freebie there , I heard it is a great place for pick up many young university
girl go there on friday night .



fast eddie 48

G Jetson
05-14-06, 03:56
Rojam disco at hong kong plaza , Anyone have any luck picking up freelancer
or freebie there , I heard it is a great place for pick up many young university
girl go there on friday night .


Try Monday or Wednesday nights. It's ladies night and they get in without paying cover.

Blacklisted
05-14-06, 07:30
Cap Iota, if you're reading this I have a question for you...
Where is the massage place you reported on a week or so ago? AG, Pluto, Dave and I went on a mission to find it and had no luck. Can you be more specific? I ended up trying the prostate massage at the Korean place and couldn't sit down for a day after! Ouch... Think I the girl I had was too inexperienced (only 18)!

Cheers buddy!

Albert Punter
05-14-06, 08:03
Yes, this is a good venue for freebies hunting, normally when I go there I come out with a girl.


Rojam disco at hong kong plaza , Anyone have any luck picking up freelancer
or freebie there , I heard it is a great place for pick up many young university
girl go there on friday night .
fast eddie 48

Ace Gallant
05-14-06, 09:22
Cap Iota, if you're reading this I have a question for you...
Where is the massage place you reported on a week or so ago? AG, Pluto, Dave and I went on a mission to find it and had no luck. Can you be more specific? I ended up trying the prostate massage at the Korean place and couldn't sit down for a day after! Ouch... Think I the girl I had was too inexperienced (only 18)!

Cheers buddy!

Sorry it didn't worked out for you....

Just a quick one, that evening when I got back home, the girl whom did me the last time from that Prostate Massage place SMS me. Apparently the boss called her and told her that I was there looking for her to serve my friend and she was off that evening. I called her on the phone and she asked me if I wanted to do the same massage as I done before, she went on to say that she lives nearby and can come over to my place to service me and she will guarrantee a much much better service for the same price as the last time.

As I was preparing for the trip, I told her next time.

I wondered what she meant by "to service me and she will guarrantee a much much better service"?

So now Prostate Massage has delivery service too? ;)

AG

Blacklisted
05-14-06, 14:07
To be perfectly honest, I feel that the attitude and behavior of some of the frequent contributors on this board creates an environment that scares off relative newbies like myself who may want to contribute, for fear of being flamed or unfairly criticized. I for one now regret having posted my experiences here, and as a result will no longer contribute to this board unless this attitude changes. It's unfortunate that the Shanghai board can't exhibit the same level of civility that I see with most of the other ISG boards. Cheers.

Us on the Shanghai forum actually have a welcoming attitude to newbies and thoroughly welcome and enjoy interacting with people in the jungles.
However, we are also quick to shoot down those who make mongerers look bad, eg. The Vulture, those that are generally boastful and disrepectful to contributing members eg. Petemcc, and those that seek to credit from our hard work (eg. Dragon D, although I think he's not such a bad guy as he generally reacts well to attacks on the board and seems to a gentleman).

So Squib boy, if you don't like that kind of attitude, then cheers to you, and have a great journey, but as the other guys mentioned, we would have been more than happy to go out for drinks with you and monger about without charging you a fee, provided you show some dedication to the forum and add something of value. For our own protection we have increased security of late due to some of the aforementioned weirdos on this thread on occasion.

We are a generally accepting clan consisting of a wide variety of individuals and a kind of U.N. who enjoy partying and spending time with the lovely women of Shanghai in our free time!

Nothing more, nothing less...

Happy hunting!

Sebastian My
05-15-06, 02:30
Rojam disco at hong kong plaza , Anyone have any luck picking up freelancer or freebie there , I heard it is a great place for pick up many young university girl go there on friday night .
fast eddie 48
Rojam's was my first mogering spot in shanghai when i use to work here back in 1999. It has changed a lot. I had minimal problems in getting a girls in my room for under RM300 (even got two sisters, or at least that what they told me - unfortunatly back them girl-on-girl activity was a no-no) But my recent experiences have not been so good. Lots of professional companions who want 300-500 just to sit with you (i never bother to find out what the take-away price was, or even if it was possible). Also the occassional drop dead gorgious shanghai girl who was an expert at ripping you off, etc. I will give it another go this evening and will report back - you never know if may have changed back to mongering heaven since i was their last.

Santa
05-15-06, 04:53
I don't think any of us wanted personal attacks against Dragon or Squib, we just want the forum to remain a free exchange of information and not to be used for profiteering.

Hope there are no hard feelings.

Asiansing
05-15-06, 06:38
dam! if you wasn't drunk, you might get around to squeeze those big knockers of lisa! as mentioned she is the bust master of blue angels and also still a virgin! hehehe...

enjoy buddies! i'll be back soon!

agi am now a frequent customer to blue angels and have seen some really nice pretty gals there. problem, i just seem to be spending too much in the bar. everytime there, i tend to spend about 1000 to 2000 and i am there on saturday the previous 3 weeks. is it right to spend so much? but somehow, i really do not know how to say no to the girls.

i stop playing dices with them thus lowering my spending amount by a huge jump. but i still do play pool with them and each time i lose i tend to buy 4 drinks to 3 ladies playing and this will go on untill i lose 4 to 5 games and would say stop.

perhaps i am always there alone and somehow, it tends to get bored so i will always say yes to playing pool or sometimes even table tennis.

how much do you guys actualy spend one night at blue angels?

lisa? is she the one who has the biggest boobs in blue angel? 19 of age and working on the second floor. i got to know the gal quite well since her boobs really attracted me haha but cant seem to remember all the gals name. too many.

well, next time you guys are there, look out for an **** chinese guy alone or playing pool on the second floor. do remember to say hi haha

by the way, i am not **** and am in my mid 20's but thats how the gals there decribe me. guess i look too young.

Craniac
05-15-06, 12:09
I'm a newbie to the "mongering" world but have recently given it a shot (no pun intended). Having only gone out a few times I must admit it's pretty exciting and fun not knowing who you'll end up with at the end of the night. However, I guess I'm also a bit paranoid of STDs and I just wanted to ask you guys for your thoughts. I know most mongerers use condoms when they fuck (and you should keep doing this) but I see a lot of people posting about BBBJs. Aren't you guys worried about STDs you can get from BBBJs? I know HIV isn't easily transmitted through oral sex but a host of other things are, including herpes which is incurable. I tried a dual chick BBBJ one time and yes it was awesome but afterwards I started freaking out about what I might have caught. Got tested and ended up with chlamydia and that was just trying it ONCE! Some antibiotics fixed me up but I still had to wait for my HIV test. Doctor said that STDs tend to travel in groups which added to my already state of being scared shitless and sleepless. Thankfully, the result was negative. Now I still have a healthy dick and I'm going to use it but always with a condom for BJ and FS. It's just not worth the trouble.

Ace Gallant
05-15-06, 15:32
how much do you guys actualy spend one night at blue angels?

lisa? is she the one who has the biggest boobs in blue angel? 19 of age and working on the second floor. i got to know the gal quite well since her boobs really attracted me haha but cant seem to remember all the gals name. too many.

well, next time you guys are there, look out for an **** chinese guy alone or playing pool on the second floor. do remember to say hi haha


we are shifting our hideout from blue angels to somewhere else. this is due to the fact the that girls there know us too well now. we need fresh meat!

yes, lisa has the biggest boobs in angels. 19 and working on 2nd floor.

we don't deal with **** girls or boys! hehehe....

anyways, it is easy to spot me if i am there. you will see honey bees flying round this me, this chinese guy, when i am there.

send me a pm if you want to get out there.

by the way: we don't usually accept regular members who had not contributed any good reports into the group.

ag

Ace Gallant
05-15-06, 15:45
I'm a newbie to the "mongering" world but have recently given it a shot (no pun intended). Having only gone out a few times I must admit it's pretty exciting and fun not knowing who you'll end up with at the end of the night. However, I guess I'm also a bit paranoid of STDs and I just wanted to ask you guys for your thoughts. I know most mongerers use condoms when they fuck (and you should keep doing this) but I see a lot of people posting about BBBJs. Aren't you guys worried about STDs you can get from BBBJs? I know HIV isn't easily transmitted through oral sex but a host of other things are, including herpes which is incurable. I tried a dual chick BBBJ one time and yes it was awesome but afterwards I started freaking out about what I might have caught. Got tested and ended up with chlamydia and that was just trying it ONCE! Some antibiotics fixed me up but I still had to wait for my HIV test. Doctor said that STDs tend to travel in groups which added to my already state of being scared shitless and sleepless. Thankfully, the result was negative. Now I still have a healthy dick and I'm going to use it but always with a condom for BJ and FS. It's just not worth the trouble.

You are right, STD get transmitted even if you do not have sex with the carrier. This can be in form of BBBJ.

HIV do not commute unless there are blood. It is still possible to get HIV from the Carrier though BBBJ if you have a wound on you dick and she have an open wound in her mouth. But what are the odds of those combinations?

Herpes is incurable but neither it is can be life threathening if you discovered it early.

As I mentioned in one of my posting. STD get transmitted even if you do not have sex. HIV for that matter get transmitted if your Hairdresser use on you, the same razor blades that is used on a HIV carrier. Herpes get transmitted to you if you shake hand with a Carrier who has just touch her pussy. If everyone is so concern but getting STD, than we all will becomes monks! However, we should try within our means to prevent contact of STD by doing the right things, using the right prevention. Do not be too overly paranoid about it, that way, you Play hard, enjoy the play, and you Play Safe!

Enjoy
AG

Ace Gallant
05-15-06, 15:47
I don't think any of us wanted personal attacks against Dragon or Squib, we just want the forum to remain a free exchange of information and not to be used for profiteering.

Hope there are no hard feelings.

I'll stand by your thoughts but when needed, we can even be "Dragon Slayer" if we need to.

AG

Phantomtiger2
05-15-06, 21:27
You are right, STD get transmitted even if you do not have sex with the carrier. This can be in form of BBBJ.

HIV do not commute unless there are blood.Enjoy
AG

This is the only part that may not be totally correct. HIV dont always need blood to transmit as it is found in vaginal fluids. Although it is much easier to be transmitted by blood than any other means.
So , bottom line is always use a condom then no need to worry (unless bag breaks )

PT
PT

Cebu Local
05-15-06, 23:31
Sorry to go off tangent,But something unusuall happened that I wanted to get some perspectives on.My Shanghainese GirlFriend has been reading and studying Christianity to get to understand me better.Yesterday after attending an overnight seminar on Christian Faith,She suddenly calls me sobbing that She suddenly realized she was living a shallow,self centered matieralistic life.She said she realized she wanted more meaning in her life and She wanted to become a Christian.Needless to say coming from a Shanghainese that was shocking.What are the chances that this is another act??It seems pointless since She knows I will propose eventually.Needless to say for me,For me That would be great,Since She would be living in Catholic Philippines and you have to be Christian to "belong" here.I am just mystefied at this "conversion" from a Shanghainese????

Bnlee2
05-16-06, 00:30
[QUOTE=Cebu Local]Sorry to go off tangent,But something unusuall happened that I wanted to get some perspectives on.My Shanghainese GirlFriend has been reading and studying Christianity to get to understand me better.Yesterday after attending an overnight seminar on Christian Faith,She suddenly ......QUOTE]

when i gal becomes a "holy roller" christianity and all that stuff, it is time to move along. if you becomes more religous and you getting marry to her, i guess that throws all the kinkyness, honeymoon and fun out the door. the last thing i would like to spend the rest of my life with, is a "all of a sudden" conservative gal. just my point of view. marriage and relationship should be fun and not boring. definitely threesome or moresome is totally out the door.

good luck and think about it before walking down the aisle again. burn once and never to be burnt again.

Dog Day
05-16-06, 01:41
CL,
The conversion can happen. Yr Gf is educated and most educated shanghainese are now looking for something else. I have talked to some frineds and they do now question their purpose in life.

Its either that, or its a ploy to get your total commitment ASAP. (though as you said you will propose eventually)
Suggestion is Just go with the flow.

Ace Gallant
05-16-06, 02:31
CL,
The conversion can happen. Yr Gf is educated and most educated shanghainese are now looking for something else. I have talked to some frineds and they do now question their purpose in life.

Its either that, or its a ploy to get your total commitment ASAP. (though as you said you will propose eventually)
Suggestion is Just go with the flow.



Sorry to go off tangent,But something unusuall happened that I wanted to get some perspectives on.My Shanghainese GirlFriend has been reading and studying Christianity to get to understand me better.Yesterday after attending an overnight seminar on Christian Faith,She suddenly ......

when i gal becomes a "holy roller" christianity and all that stuff, it is time to move along. if you becomes more religous and you getting marry to her, i guess that throws all the kinkyness, honeymoon and fun out the door. the last thing i would like to spend the rest of my life with, is a "all of a sudden" conservative gal. just my point of view. marriage and relationship should be fun and not boring. definitely threesome or moresome is totally out the door.

good luck and think about it before walking down the aisle again. burn once and never to be burnt again.

Sorry guys,

IMHO: I think discussion about Religion should not be brought to the ISG as it is a very sensitive subject. It may start another endless debate. I got a suggestion that we should use the PM to voice our opinions directly to the people asking for advice.

As all of us knew; Religion and Casual Sex (Mongering) does not goes down well together. Let avoid public discussion about it.

Enjoy Shanghai!
AG

Ace Gallant
05-16-06, 02:44
This is the only part that may not be totally correct. HIV dont always need blood to transmit as it is found in vaginal fluids. Although it is much easier to be transmitted by blood than any other means.
So , bottom line is always use a condom then no need to worry (unless bag breaks )

PT
PT

Yes, I stand corrected as I nicely forgot that "HIV is found in varying concentrations or amounts in blood, semen, vaginal fluid, breast milk, saliva, and tears"

However; "Contact with saliva, tears, or sweat has never been shown to result in transmission of HIV."

Play Safe and be safe! Whenever imppossible use a condom; unless your little head had taken over your big head!

Enjoy!
AG

Cap Iota
05-16-06, 04:37
Cap Iota, if you're reading this I have a question for you...
Where is the massage place you reported on a week or so ago? AG, Pluto, Dave and I went on a mission to find it and had no luck. Can you be more specific? I ended up trying the prostate massage at the Korean place and couldn't sit down for a day after! Ouch... Think I the girl I had was too inexperienced (only 18)!

Cheers buddy!

yo,
just got back into Shanghai. Its on Xikang road, close to Kanding road. If you're going north on xikang lu, its on your right hand side just before you hit KD lu.

So I was just there yesterday and was told of the following interesting story. Apparently, the girls there were trained by this travelling male trainer and his male assistant. They both work for the skin oil company that supplies the essential oils to these massage shops. The trainer shows where and how to massage certain areas of the male body on his assistant while all the girls watch on.

And yes...the assistant does get his happy ending...
cap iota

Gualtier Malde
05-16-06, 06:16
asiansing,

you have definitely been soaked by those cuties. here are some tricks:

1. never play dice. i learned that the hard way last week. my first and last time doing that.

2. when you play pool, play with one girl, and remember you do not have to buy them a drink to play. they will ask, to bet on the game. do it only at the frequency you are normally drinking. there should be no problem with buying one girl a drink when you buy your own drink, if you are not pounding them down you won't spend very much.

3. when you *do* bet on the game, make sure the bet is that she will buy your drink if she loses, and hold her to it.

4. never agree to buy more than one girl a drink over a pool bet. when you do bet, and *don't* do it every game, just do the bet with one girl, even if the others beg and beg. just say no. (to give yourself a little backbone on this, just remind yourself that if you say yes to more than one girl, they are privately thinking "what a sucker!!!")

5. stick with the same girl, and insist that the drink she gets is tequila. don't let her skate with a screwdriver or the like, you'll just be buying her orange juice. insisting on tequila shots for her will slow her down, and after a few you will probably be able to beat her at pool. they are all good pool players, but they are not *that* good.

6. drink beer instead of drinking shots. it takes longer to finish a beer, and you can play several rounds of pool on one beer. don't bet on another game until you are done with your beer.

with that plan, you should be spending at about the 300rmb level rather than the 1000rmb level.

david


i am now a frequent customer to blue angels and have seen some really nice pretty gals there. problem, i just seem to be spending too much in the bar. everytime there, i tend to spend about 1000 to 2000 and i am there on saturday the previous 3 weeks. is it right to spend so much? but somehow, i really do not know how to say no to the girls.

i stop playing dices with them thus lowering my spending amount by a huge jump. but i still do play pool with them and each time i lose i tend to buy 4 drinks to 3 ladies playing and this will go on untill i lose 4 to 5 games and would say stop.

perhaps i am always there alone and somehow, it tends to get bored so i will always say yes to playing pool or sometimes even table tennis.

how much do you guys actualy spend one night at blue angels?

lisa? is she the one who has the biggest boobs in blue angel? 19 of age and working on the second floor. i got to know the gal quite well since her boobs really attracted me haha but cant seem to remember all the gals name. too many.

well, next time you guys are there, look out for an **** chinese guy alone or playing pool on the second floor. do remember to say hi haha

by the way, i am not **** and am in my mid 20's but thats how the gals there decribe me. guess i look too young.

Sebastian My
05-16-06, 06:47
Sorry to go off tangent,But something unusuall happened that I wanted to get some perspectives on.My Shanghainese GirlFriend has been reading and studying Christianity to get to understand me better.Yesterday after attending an overnight seminar on Christian Faith,She suddenly calls me sobbing that She suddenly realized she was living a shallow,self centered matieralistic life.She said she realized she wanted more meaning in her life and She wanted to become a Christian.Needless to say coming from a Shanghainese that was shocking.What are the chances that this is another act??It seems pointless since She knows I will propose eventually.Needless to say for me,For me That would be great,Since She would be living in Catholic Philippines and you have to be Christian to "belong" here.I am just mystefied at this "conversion" from a Shanghainese????

Having being brought up as a strict CofE, and with the exception of my not so holy hobby, remaining a devot CofE, i have noticed this occur with my relatives who were not brought up with religious instruction. Half of them have become 7th day adventists - after leading a so called god-less life for up to 30 years. It happens - and is not all together bad, assumming you intend to marry her.

Dragon D
05-16-06, 07:00
heya all,

i don't mind being bashed and half well expect it with what i do so why get angry. i have said it a few times that i respect the opinion of all the mongers on the board and i have to thank squib boy for sticking up for me. everyone just take a chill pill and relax, i will have pics and reports coming soon at no cost to you guys. i will however still offer my services to those in need. latley nothing interesting in my circle except enjoying the ladies at the village. i have heard through the grape vine that there is a couple of virgins available for a threesome if anyone is interested. before you bash me on this one i do not agree with this practice. i have even helped a couple of virgins by buying them and then setting them free. no reason for a girls most precious experience to be for sale but in this case they are doing like some university girls do and sell off their first time to pay for school and i am not directly involved. i will just pass on the contact info. cheers all and hope everyone stays safe and keeps the fun going.

Santa
05-16-06, 08:00
Now I wish I hadn't offered a "no hard feelings" type of apology.

If you "do not agree with this practice" of offering young virgins for sale, why are you now advertizing that service?

Arsehole! You are nothing but a worthless sack of shit, just fuck off!

LittleGoomba
05-16-06, 08:07
Cebu,

I agree with Sebastian, it doesn't have to be bad thing at all depending on the girl. I'm fairly devout and have a circle of friends who have terrific marriages with devout wives with whom as long as its within the bounds of marriage, nearly everything is on the table in the bedroom. (Of course, that usually doesn't include threesomes and SM)

Unfortunately,it does seem that with American Christian women, there is much more a prudery that marks their faith. That's why I'm so wary of missionaries because too often they end up spreading cultural values and ideas more than they do their message. I wonder who you girlfriend is being influenced by? At the very least, it'll be good to have this area of overlap since you are from the Philippines, right?

Anyways, I wish you luck. Hope it works out.


Having being brought up as a strict CofE, and with the exception of my not so holy hobby, remaining a devot CofE, i have noticed this occur with my relatives who were not brought up with religious instruction. Half of them have become 7th day adventists - after leading a so called god-less life for up to 30 years. It happens - and is not all together bad, assumming you intend to marry her.

Gualtier Malde
05-16-06, 09:21
I picked up on a couple of things - one, she attended an overnight christian retreat, and then called you sobbing.

It is certainly possible that she did have a conversion, and had needed such a thing in her life. If so, more power to her. It is also possible that she was brainwashed by the intense pressure to convert that happens at some of these retreats. Some of them can be overwhelming for an unsuspecting individual.

In that case, give her time and it might come to her that she was pressured into that belief. And if not, well, that is her life choice, and good for her.

I don't think it is a scam on her part to get you to marry her sooner.

David

Gualtier Malde
05-16-06, 09:30
Just happened to be in a taxi on Xujiahui Lu, and noticed a lot of BBS's in the Madang Lu area. I didn't ask the cabbie to stop, since I was just heading back from a very intensive romp with my freebie friend, who happens to live in the Huang Pu district.

I'd be interested to hear what folks have to say about the shops in that area. It looked like there were quite a few to choose from.

David

Dragon D
05-16-06, 10:20
Santa: I was just offering to pass on info like you guys do for freebies and other BBS girls. It is in the rules (No Flaming: Please do not post any messages that harrass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member.) Let us all play nice and try to follow the rules. If something someone says upsets you feel free to make a comment but lets act like gentleman. Again I won't profit off of something that I don't agree with, but that doesn't mean I can't freely pass information about it. You all complain I don't give out freebies, well here is one for the taking.

Cebu Local
05-16-06, 11:03
Guys Thanks for the different perspectives.I know I was off tangent,But this is a very unusuall experience I encountered.I got several insights that I did not think of,Best Regards

Ace Gallant
05-16-06, 13:51
heya all,

i don't mind being bashed and half well expect it with what i do so why get angry. i have said it a few times that i respect the opinion of all the mongers on the board and i have to thank squib boy for sticking up for me. everyone just take a chill pill and relax, i will have pics and reports coming soon at no cost to you guys. i will however still offer my services to those in need. latley nothing interesting in my circle except enjoying the ladies at the village. i have heard through the grape vine that there is a couple of virgins available for a threesome if anyone is interested. before you bash me on this one i do not agree with this practice. i have even helped a couple of virgins by buying them and then setting them free. no reason for a girls most precious experience to be for sale but in this case they are doing like some university girls do and sell off their first time. to pay for school and i am not directly involved. i will just pass on the contact info. cheers all and hope everyone stays safe and keeps the fun going.

do not try to camouflage your ads with lots of words; we are not 3 years old kids!

you should read the thread and target your service directly to people who needs it. may be you should pm freak like vulture. that way fellow member will respect you more.

do that or get out!
ag

Blacklisted
05-16-06, 13:56
Santa: I was just offering to pass on info like you guys do for freebies and other BBS girls. It is in the rules (No Flaming: Please do not post any messages that harrass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member.) Let us all play nice and try to follow the rules. If something someone says upsets you feel free to make a comment but lets act like gentleman. Again I won't profit off of something that I don't agree with, but that doesn't mean I can't freely pass information about it. You all complain I don't give out freebies, well here is one for the taking.

Santa and AG are both right and I second their opinions and comments. Thirdly, you are being hypocritical to talk about the rules when you are so obviously flaunting them yourself trying to flog your pathetic business here. Virgins... For christ's sake, now you've gone and got Santa all upset... Do you know how rare that is???

Please, just keep this bollocks in the advertising section where the pathetic, meek and feeble can pay for you to take them to the village and charge 800Yuan for 130Yuan girl.