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Keaton 64
08-31-06, 17:08
Ag i feel so unlucky! next week i'll be for my fisrt tiem in china, adn exaclty in shanghai and i had the aim to go exaclty to some bbs .... what do you suggest me as a discreet alternative? is there any shanghai expert who can help me to fulfill the desire to taste local specialities without going in jail?
i have read all the forum, but now i think i have to restart all my plans right few days before leaving.. help please!





Now that you mentioned it is true that Kram has violated the rules of the Forum (How can I miss this?) and will be reported to the Moderator.


NOW HEAR THIS!


Information from my Police friends indicates that they will be conducting raids on some BBS concentrated areas west of Shanghai this Friday (TOMORROW!) after dark.


So if you do not want to be caught with your Pants down, better go to the pick up bars or just stay home.


I am trying to verify the accuracy of this piece of news, will update if I get any.

Sorry for reporting this not any earlier.
AG

Gualtier Malde
08-31-06, 18:22
[THIS POST HAS BEEN EDITED. EDITS ARE SHOWN BETWEEN BRACKETS.]

The rules for the forum are clear, and I totally respect them. However, I do think Lao Ma's original rant was too harsh on Kram1.

Kram1 mentioned [SOMETHING IN A SINCE-EDITED POST THAT COULD BE CONSTRUED AS VIOLATING ISG CONSTRAINTS ON DISCUSSION OF COMPANIONS WHO MAY NOT HAVE ACHIEVED THE AGE OF 18]. The age of consent in China is 14. The average age of consent worldwide is 16. The age of consent in Washington DC is 16. The age of consent in Australia is 16 (except in Queensland, you must be 18 to legally consent to sodomy).

If Kram1 is a US Citizen, he is restricted by US law to screw only 18 year olds and above while traveling. [THIS IS NOT TO SUGGEST OR IMPLY THAT KRAM1 HAS OR WOULD DO ANTHING TO THE CONTRARY.] That appears to be a law unique to the USA. But it is a law, and aligns with Jackson's forum rules.

So does that make Kram1 a "sick fuck" as Lao Ma said? Somehow I don't think so, [SINCE HE DID NOT VIOLATE CHINA'S AGE OF CONSENT LAW]. [... S]ince Jackson restricts [CERTAIN DISCUSSIONS] anyway, he certainly shouldn't discuss it on ISG. He's apologized, reports have been edited, I think we should be cool about it at this point.

David

By the way, here is a reference on age of consent: http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm




As Kram1 post has been edited and Lao Ma's and my posts have been erased, I believe you should erase your 6754.



This post will disappear as soon as you act

Wonderer
08-31-06, 19:00
Hi Asian Gambler,

Excellent report #6658 about the New Waves! I just was there a few days ago, and everything is exactly as you described.

The only thing I can add and contribute is that I usuall take the two girls option and have made excellent experiences. The girls apparently feel better and more relaxed, when they are not alone with you.

It seems they also recognized me as a regular Waves guest. So, they offered one girl for 800 Rmb and two for 1'300 Rmb. It was worth to pay the difference.

I could chose from a line-up of about 10 girls and chose one (a bit bigger and with pretty good rack) from Chongqing, and the second was from Liaoning province. She was slimer and had somewhat smaller tits. Her pussy was very hairy, but with beautiful and big lips.

I had a good time with them and can only recommend Waves.

Wonderer - and happy hunting

Pinaster
08-31-06, 19:04
Does anyone know if Hengshan Hotel is still open for biz? People reported that it had been closed last month. I am thinking about staying there next week.

Gualtier Malde
09-01-06, 00:23
My report has been edited, but not yet deleted.

David


David,

Reminder...... you are break the rules here... since Kram's report had been edited, by saying that he mentioned in his report about the age... you are not only breaking the rules but you are also "Accusing" Kram of an Illegal act in the Court of Law of ISG!

I hereby sentence you to: "Delete your this post or edit it to remove its illegal contents! and of course buy the Shanghai Gang Members a round of drinks in your next visit!"

Hehehehe.... Just having fun too!

AG

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Pinaster
09-01-06, 01:32
I guess I meant if their massage biz is still operating. last month at least two reports said it was closed down.


It is still operating, I just passed it on the way back home from the bars tonight, where did you get that information from?

AG

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Lao Ma
09-01-06, 01:38
I hold no quarter for anyone that boinks girls of the age that drew my ire yesterday, and will cut that individual zero slack. I'd get into more numbers based details, but it will be edited out by Jackson. The legal age of consent means nothing to me. In some states in the US it's a lot lower than any of the numbers posted below. Does that make it right ? no.

Look, girls that age are still in high school. I'm not gonna hoist my morals or religious beliefs up the ISG flagpole. If you think activity like that is okay, that's your business. However, I want nothing to do with you at all or or others who defend your right to do so. If I found out that there was a man living in my neighborhood who enjoyed sex with girls in high school, I'd move.

Two quick points: you all saw all the heat on the blogger in Shanghai. Isn't it fair to percieve a scenario where it's a slow news day, and someone from China Daily somehow comes across Kram1's original post, and makes a phonecall to the local party cadre leader ? what happens then ? I suspect it's an iron fist that strikes hard. Why in the world would you want give the authorities the bullets for the gun that will shoot down this whole site ? cripes. Yet I see somebody allready posting saying " hey, it's legal". Legal has nothing to do with the court of public opinion, particularly in this country, where viral responses come hard and swift.

Last point, a world wide website that is all about where to go and spend your money on sex industry workers is bound to attract sickos and pervs. How could it not. Maybe it's me that is too prudish for the site anymore. Kram1 and those who support sex with girls of any age - as long as it's "legal"- you shouldn't have to leave. It's me that has to make the decision to stay or not. Just like a healthy person will get sick by hanging around people who have a flu, the more I hang around people who harbor different ideas on what is appropriate and what isn't, the more likely I am to compromise my morals.

Good luck to you all, and be safe.

Santa
09-01-06, 04:50
We need to understand what right and wrong is. There are no fixed hard rules established in heaven, that's why the Code of Hammurabi or The Ten Commandments are not generally accepted.

We need to understand that ethics or morality is relative. Morality varies among individuals, communities, societies, nations.

The Geneva Convention tries to establish ethical rules for killing; bombs and bullets are ok, gas is not allowed. Rules for killing vary from individual to individual, state to state. I believe euthanasia is ok, others would call it murder. Abortion? We all disagree. And so on...

Regarding age of consent, we follow or disregard the established rules of the community and think we are morally right. Others will disagree. David says the law in China is 14 or 16, so maybe it is ok. Lao Ma says if she is of high school age it is immoral. In the future, others may argue if she is of college age it is immoral. In America, christian fundamentalists say sex is immoral outside of marraige, regardless of age.

Some people think sex is immoral. Saint Paul, the founder of christian theology, believed all sexual activities are completely immoral and virtue can only be acquired through total abstinence. His beliefs are still highly regarded in western society.

Charlie Chaplin married several times. His first wife was 16 and he was 29, the marraige was not a success. His last wife was 18 and he was 50 something when they got married. That was a very long, happy and successful marraige. Some would say that his marraiges were ok, others would say he was immoral. Maybe back then it was less controversial, moral attitudes change with time.

Chaplin, Russell and Einstein all stayed at the Pujiang Hotel in Shanghai. Let's hope they had lot's of good sex with nice chinese ladies. :)

Some people think prostitution is totally immoral, most of us ISG guys would disagree. See my general info post "The Need for Prostitution".

Jackson wants to protect kids, so his rule is no posts about girls under 18.

Albert Punter
09-01-06, 13:02
Dear Members,

Santa pointed out very well that we are not debating morals or laws here.
Otherwise, it will be a never ending debate, other than not being reason this forum exists.

This forum has rules and, as we have chosen to be members of this community, all of us have to respect them.
In case we realise some member does not conform, we must urge him to change their attitude.
That's all.
I don't think anything else is necessary.

Tiger 888
09-01-06, 13:38
Ops, sorry, I accidently replied here and quoted Albert in a different context.
(must have had a few drinks too early). I still post a link here, since this is a Shangai related issue (Taxis in Shanghai). 501940

Desi Voyuer
09-01-06, 19:01
Hi All,

Any opinions on whether it is difficult for South Asians to get into Saunas? I am planning a trip later in the year and was hoping to visit the saunas. I have tried massages all over S E Asia and was hoping to try some of the ones in Shanghai as well. Any opinions from south asians on the board on any experiences will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Ace Gallant
09-02-06, 06:31
Hi All,

Any opinions on whether it is difficult for South Asians to get into Saunas? I am planning a trip later in the year and was hoping to visit the saunas. I have tried massages all over S E Asia and was hoping to try some of the ones in Shanghai as well. Any opinions from south asians on the board on any experiences will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

I have never heard of Saunas rejecting people from certain races or foreigner from certain part of the world???

THey open for business, as long as you have money, who care where you are from? Oops.. I'll take that back.... unless you are from Mars or Jupiter... hahahaha...

So DV, I am sure you will enjoy yourself in the Saunas of China!

By the way: Japanese Saunas in Japan is the only place in Asia I know that reject people from certain race!


AG,

Many Massage Parlors in Thailand reject Caucasians for fear of AIDS. Go figure.

OAH

Oh Yah... good point, have not been back there for a while, so I guess that sonething new.

AG

OldAsiaHand
09-02-06, 06:44
AG,

Many Massage Parlors in Thailand reject Caucasians for fear of AIDS. Go figure.

OAH



I have never heard of Saunas rejecting people from certain races or foreigner from certain part of the world???

THey open for business, as long as you have money, who care where you are from? Oops.. I'll take that back.... unless you are from Mars or Jupiter... hahahaha...

So DV, I am sure you will enjoy yourself in the Saunas of China!

By the way: Japanese Saunas in Japan is the only place in Asia I know that reject people from certain race!

AG

@sh
09-02-06, 17:49
This brings up a question was raised before in the past but wasn't answered sufficiently. Do saunas do regular testing on their girls, and how strictly is it enforced? Does anyone know?


AG,

Many Massage Parlors in Thailand reject Caucasians for fear of AIDS. Go figure.

OAH

Pinaster
09-02-06, 18:38
I can confirm this as I stay here now. it is dead quiet. any good place around it? made a wrong choice.

Shanghai Noon #2
09-02-06, 19:54
Due to recent events the U.S Federal Inspection Service has become especially sensitive to people returning from Shanghai. I just went through a grueling 1 hour search and probing of every piece of luggage as well as every file on my laptop on my flight back from Shanghai. Recommend that anyone returning to travel extremely light and be prepared for your laptop to be turned on and all it's file gone through. During this entire process you will be treated like a criminal. I would say they are performing this on 30% of the unlucky travellers. As if air travel isn't grueling enough this is the final indignity we have to tolerate. Watch out especially for the female inspectors who seems to have a predisposition to single out the male travellers for this wonderful experience.

Bnlee2
09-02-06, 20:10
Due to recent events the U.S Federal Inspection Service has become especially sensitive to people returning from Shanghai. I just went through a grueling 1 hour search and probing of every piece of luggage as well as every file on my laptop on my flight back from Shanghai. Recommend that anyone returning to travel extremely light and be prepared for your laptop to be turned on and all it's file gone through. During this entire process you will be treated like a criminal. I would say they are performing this on 30% of the unlucky travellers. As if air travel isn't grueling enough this is the final indignity we have to tolerate. Watch out especially for the female inspectors who seems to have a predisposition to single out the male travellers for this wonderful experience.

they did that to me in feb and june. in feb, i was stuck in sfo custom for over ninety minutes... they tried to open some of my protector files and completely jammed up my pda and when i got back to my office the tech guy told me that i can either pay over $300 to fix it or junk the pda. on my laptop fortunately i had "go back" and the tech guy just restore it back to three days ago and dump some stupid shit they put into my system.

im just going to bring a usb stick on my next trip and just get another system over there and load in my data via the usb. i think that i am going to just leave my laptop at home and just buy another one over there. i think these tsa is a bit too overzealous. just my pov.

Phantomtiger2
09-02-06, 21:25
This brings up a question was raised before in the past but wasn't answered sufficiently. Do saunas do regular testing on their girls, and how strictly is it enforced? Does anyone know?

@sh,
As you are answering a quote by OAH about Thailand,or are you referring to sauna/MPs gals in China ?
IF you are indeed talking about Thailand then the answer is "suppose" to be yes, but in reality only some places enforce the testing rule. With bribes being very common everywhere in Asia, many gals can get any results they want from labs anyway regardless of rules.
Thats why it's important to protect yourselve all the time and not rely on any testing.

PT

Tiger 888
09-03-06, 04:36
Due to recent events the U.S Federal Inspection Service has become especially sensitive to people returning from Shanghai. I just went through a grueling 1 hour search and probing of every piece of luggage as well as every file on my laptop on my flight back from Shanghai. Recommend that anyone returning to travel extremely light and be prepared for your laptop to be turned on and all it's file gone through. During this entire process you will be treated like a criminal. I would say they are performing this on 30% of the unlucky travellers. As if air travel isn't grueling enough this is the final indignity we have to tolerate. Watch out especially for the female inspectors who seems to have a predisposition to single out the male travellers for this wonderful experience.Anyone who wants a hint how to hide all files in an encrypted partition of the harddrive with a password that you can show off something you want to show and a second password that shows the real content, no one ever able to prove that there is hidden data, the partition showing as not formatted, PM me. (It's freeware, available for Windows and Linux.)

Pinaster
09-03-06, 04:43
I just came back from a FS now is 11am, 500 rmb, wonderful girl, face, body, altitude. as I am a chinese, when I say wonderful, I mean wonderful in chinese standard. unlimited time until you pop as I was told (I did not take long after 17 hours of ecnomoical class). 700rmb buys you everything (not sure ana). in residential area, very private environment. They stay in QQ online chat room, sending out phone number often with photos, and you call them from a mobile phone (only from mobile phone), and they tell you where to go. It is quite complicated if you don't speak good chinese. but if you do, I certainly consider it interesting. These freelancers probably is less professional then BBS massage girls.

Dk4711
09-03-06, 06:32
Hi Tiger

Please give us the program name and also link if possible.

:-)

Thanks - and all the best


Anyone who wants a hint how to hide all files in an encrypted partition of the harddrive with a password that you can show off something you want to show and a second password that shows the real content, no one ever able to prove that there is hidden data, the partition showing as not formatted, PM me. (It's freeware, available for Windows and Linux.)

Gualtier Malde
09-03-06, 07:20
Due to recent events the U.S Federal Inspection Service has become especially sensitive to people returning from Shanghai.

What recent events are making TSA wary of data coming from Shanghai? I just got back from Shanghai last week, port of entry SFO, with not a single problem. Zipped through like I always do (and this time I had a box of cuban cigars in my carry on luggage! hahaha).

I have never had a single bit of scrutiny. I have never observed at SFO any scrutiny of the Shanghai flight.

Here is all I've seen get you in trouble:
1) Declare more than your exemption in goods, or
2) Declare that you are carrying plants, food, etc.

If you dress like a businessman, carry the luggage of a businessman, comport yourself like you are on business (not on a sex vacation), I don't believe you'll be hassled.

If you dress like a hippy (sorry, the lingo of my generation, modify as appropriate), act shifty, pack like a pack mule, expect some scrutiny.

Just my opinion, your mileage may vary...

David

Tiger 888
09-03-06, 10:00
Since I got so many PMs, I posted the information in the General Info tread:
502387

Shanghai Noon #2
09-03-06, 11:07
what recent events are making tsa wary of data coming from shanghai? i just got back from shanghai last week, port of entry sfo, with not a single problem. zipped through like i always do (and this time i had a box of cuban cigars in my carry on luggage! hahaha).

i have never had a single bit of scrutiny. i have never observed at sfo any scrutiny of the shanghai flight.

here is all i've seen get you in trouble:
1) declare more than your exemption in goods, or
2) declare that you are carrying plants, food, etc.

if you dress like a businessman, carry the luggage of a businessman, comport yourself like you are on business (not on a sex vacation), i don't believe you'll be hassled.

if you dress like a hippy (sorry, the lingo of my generation, modify as appropriate), act shifty, pack like a pack mule, expect some scrutiny.

just my opinion, your mileage may vary...

david

i went through sfo over 50 times (flown over 1.5 million miles, always flown business class) and never went through a search. most of the time they just waved me by with apathy. the few times that i chatted with the inspectors has always been extremely friendly.

nothing special this time either. all i will say for people who are naive enough to think that it could never happen to them, good luck:-) you only need to go through it once to really know the joy of what i described. some people think it must be something the victim did to warrant bad things that happened to them. maybe this gives them the false sense of security that if they just "looked professional" that they will be safe. i guess they are free to think that way.

however, the system is seriously flawed. my ex-girlfriend (a business executive with a valid visa) who visited me informed me that she was harassed almost everytime (the inspector looked at her lewdly and asked if he could date her and asked for her number) she went through sfo. i was surprised and indignant when she told me. now i know she spoke the truth. these inspectors do not have the qualifications of a police officer(who has to graduate from an academy) yet, they have more power in terms of seizing and searching your person and personal belongings. i believe that proper actions to protect us is valid, what i object to is the ongoing witch hunt that assumes any male traveller that return from japan, china or thailand is a ****. i just hope they apply the same zeal to preventing terrorists who wants to kill us from coming into this country.

Farmer Joe
09-03-06, 18:47
Just went back to the Pub for the first time post their renovation and was pleasantly surprised. It's very clean and nicely decorated and the rooms have new carpet, sofas and paintwork, all in a sort of 'mid-market foot massage parlor' type of way, with dimmed light and (very appropriately) Louis Armstrong playing 'Wonderful World'. Met a very gregarious lass from the Northeast, a bit on the chunky side, but with all the benefits that go with that (i.e. a nice rack) who really knows what she's doing. It's kind of interesting how some girls really put so much effort into making sure you have a good time, in terms of their whole attitude and personality.

The whole experience set me back RMB 440 including a couple of beers. Yes I know, it's not that cheap, but it's worth it on the right occasion.

On the whole discussion of freebie vs paybee and the various permutations, I am just not sure I can really go through with any freebie anymore. E.g. I responded to an ad in a listings mag, met a 23-year old, professional job in the media, excellent English, holding hands and passionate kissing on a parkbench on the first date etc..., almost fell for her, but I just could not be bothered to see her again. I guess for me, the old saying that 'you don't pay them to sleep with you, you pay them to go away afterwards' just hits the nail on the head. So I put up with not getting the ego-boost that may come from 'truly' sleeping with a 23-year old as long as I can do it anyway, although I am getting to the age where 'chasing my youth' is becoming an important driver of behaviour.

Santa
09-03-06, 19:38
I have also received a drilling at a US airport. Why were you in Thailand? Cambodia? Laos? Vietnam? Philippines? What takes you there? Why so long? What were you doing there? Are you a sex tourist? And then a very careful search of my baggage. I didn't have a laptop, but they rummaged through my bits of paper, notes and condoms.

I told them I was there on vacation and having fun with the ladies. What's it to ya? The female airport official gave me an angry and disgusted look, as if to say "you ought to be ashamed of yourself!"

Of course you know I am :D Dirty lecher!

XXL
09-03-06, 20:48
They've always had excuses to grill people more than is necessary. In former days they concentrated on "fiancťs" coming into the West with tourist visas, body searching them and grilling them and finding excuses for refusing them entry. Now that they've made it nearly impossible for us to bring our girls, they're trying to prevent us from bringing in at least pics of our girls. Coming from SA the hassle is even worse because of drugs.

They're obsessed by the dope and the sex.

I sometimes wonder if we hadn't better thank the terrorists for creating a diversion in Today's world: if it weren't for terrorism, they would concentrate on getting at us.

In theory no one can access the files in a PGP-disk unless they torture you to confess the passphrase. Can they make trouble only because you have encrypted files?

Blacklisted
09-04-06, 02:47
In theory no one can access the files in a PGP-disk unless they torture you to confess the passphrase. Can they make trouble only because you have encrypted files?

Thanks Tiger, although have not tried it yet, sounds pretty complicated!!!

I have a simple method for others interested:

Get yourself a Gmail account (2 gigs worth of space) and download your pics into cyberland. When you get home, upload, and baboom: girlfriends: Hello!!

Of course, you do have to be rather selective with your photos, but I have gathered quite a nice little collection using this method and actually have so far 3 gmail accounts.

Have fun!

Tiger 888
09-04-06, 09:09
Thanks Tiger, although have not tried it yet, sounds pretty complicated!!!

I have a simple method for others interested:

Get yourself a Gmail account (2 gigs worth of space) and download your pics into cyberland. When you get home, upload, and baboom: girlfriends: Hello!!

Of course, you do have to be rather selective with your photos, but I have gathered quite a nice little collection using this method and actually have so far 3 gmail accounts.

Have fun!For a few pics this works, but not for DVDs or other big files. Now the complicated thing is to make the thing bulletproof. If you only want to avoid some overactive customs officers see the files, you don't have to go too deep into the details. But in the US they might out you nto jail until you reveal the password if they suspect something serious, I heard. So the double container comes in handy. Also if you have sensitive company data, it might be worth the effort. Just be reminded: If you even format your harddrive that does not mean that the data can't be recovered. Just deleting a file does only mean it is removed from the directory listing. the data is still there in full. Only encryption can solve that.

By the way, last night I had some trouble in China Customs not being allowed to carry some computer accessories. Had to leave them with customs and pick them up on the way back. Sometimes it is good to be reminded that only because things work 100 times does not necessarily mean ther is no trouble the 101st time.
That is one of the reasons why I don't like to fly from Hongkong to Shanghai directly. At the outer borders you can always choose to turn around.

St Germain
09-04-06, 11:06
I was over in Puxi last week and tried out a sauna that I donít think has been reported here before.

Itís on the 15/F of Shanghai South Hotel ( 南部大酒店 pronounced Nanbu Da Jiudian) at 515 Longhua Xilu ( 龙华西路 ). The best way to get there is by taxi, probably about 10 RMB from the Shanghai sports stadium subway station.

At reception I was quoted 580 for full service, but I got it down to 500.

Itís not a big place, just a few showers and single pool for soaking. It was about 9pm and I had the whole place to myself. The guy in the shower area didnít say a word, which was kind of nice since I am tired of the usual banter.

While I was nursing a glass of water in the waiting room, the mamasan came in. At first my tongue fell out because I thought she was the massage girl. Hottest mamasan Iíve ever met. Anyway, she asked me what kind of girl I like. I placed my usual order: low-fat with a side order of long hair.

I was led to the massage room, which fortunately had big mirrors on two walls. My girl walked in and, wow, a solid 9, long straight hair, not an ounce of extra body fat and perfect skin. Thank you, mamasan.

Unfortunately, the service didnít measure up to the quality of the package. No preamble massage, just right to catbath. Then some perfunctory A/R which she clearly was not enjoying. In fact, I think I caught her cheating a bit. What felt like her tongue may actually have been her finger, as I saw her head was turned away part of the time when I looked in the mirror. But I was too lazy to make an issue of it.

Then BBBJ was next, which I always stop and downshift to CBJ. Then FS, which was good thanks to the mirror and her nice tight box.

She is #9, from Chongqing. If you are looking for service level to make your toes curl, she wonít deliver. But if you want to bang a hottie, she fits the bill.

They are open from 1pm to 3am.

Woooo
09-04-06, 18:37
You're a lucky man.

I went to many of these QQ chicks. Non of the picture were real, and they weren't good looking either, so I had to walk out.

Was RMB 500 for ST or LT?


if you know chinese, qq chat room is a great place...
I just came back from a FS now is 11am, 500 rmb, wonderful girl, face, body, altitude. as I am a chinese, when I say wonderful, I mean wonderful in chinese standard. unlimited time until you pop as I was told (I did not take long after 17 hours of ecnomoical class). 700rmb buys you everything (not sure ana). in residential area, very private environment. They stay in QQ online chat room, sending out phone number often with photos, and you call them from a mobile phone (only from mobile phone), and they tell you where to go. It is quite complicated if you don't speak good chinese. but if you do, I certainly consider it interesting. These freelancers probably is less professional then BBS massage girls.

Woooo
09-04-06, 18:45
Now Hear This!

Information from my Police friends indicates that they will be conducting raids on some BBS concentrated areas west of Shanghai this Friday (TOMORROW!) after dark.

So if you do not want to be caught with your Pants down, better go to the pick up bars or just stay home.

I am trying to verify the accuracy of this piece of news, will update if I get any.

Sorry for reporting this not any earlier.AGHey AG, are we safe by now.. been hiding @ home since the warning.

Can I stick my head out to check new BBS out yet?

Wild Child 1
09-04-06, 19:41
Hi All,

Any opinions on whether it is difficult for South Asians to get into Saunas? I am planning a trip later in the year and was hoping to visit the saunas. I have tried massages all over S E Asia and was hoping to try some of the ones in Shanghai as well. Any opinions from south asians on the board on any experiences will be greatly appreciated.

ThanksBy South Asian, I assume you mean Indian, Pakistani, Sri Lankan etc etc?

if so, then no problemo what so ever.

However speaking SOME Chinese or having someone who speaks some chinese would make things go a lot lot smoother, and as a bonus Chinese girls quite like Hairy Chests from what I can work out.

Have fun

Keaton 64
09-04-06, 20:50
just to inform i'll be in Shanghai since wed 6th sept until 11th. If anybody is in the mood for some chats and not only, of course, just drop me a line in PM.
Ag, can we go around with no fear now?

thanks to the whole forum for the precious informations
K

Ace Gallant
09-05-06, 02:20
hey ag, are we safe by now.. been hiding @ home since the warning.

can i stick my head out to check new bbs out yet?



ag, can we go around with no fear now?

k

just made a call to my link, they told me that last friday there were some minor raids conduct at the village on certain particular bbss that are known to have **** girls and also previous cases of std. they did this on a smaller scale basis in order not to alarm the whole business zone.

only about 6 girls were brought in for questioning, release 2 hours later and only 1 was sent home due to the fact that she had no id and is ****.

they told me that in the next few months they will continuing to conduct raids in the western side of shanghai but will not affect the customers. escpecially if you have id showing that you are a foreigner. in this case if you are caught with your pants down, they might just checked your id, passport and let you go.

so i guess the rain stopped and its safe to go out!

enjoy
ag

Dragon D
09-05-06, 04:46
Well having been sitting in front of a BBS in the village on Fri-Mon nights I saw not much in the way of cops at all. All in all a very quiet weekend. The only busts were before 11 PM and they got some girls who the owners made sit outside because they didn't dare open shop. After 11 PM the cops hardly ever show up and with the love hotel in full swing, no danger in the village for the present time. Also the raids happen every year in the summer so it is normal to see them. In the winter, the cops are too lazy and can't be bothered so I speculate that by the end of Oct things will calm down.

The only worries are when the city decides an raid. When the local district cops have a raid they announce it to the owners ahead of time so there are no problems. Like I have said before, I have heard that cops own some of these places and as mentioned by AG awhile back many large KTV are by the police station for a reason.

To be honest the cops hate this and try to avoid having to do raids because they are too much of a hassle. They do once in a while have to show they are doing some work.

So have fun. If tradition continues, many new girls will be brought up after raid season so we will have fresh meat coming.

Blacklisted
09-05-06, 05:48
Any of you guys who have been in Shaghai a while start to find you end up returning to the same places?

I have a few on my staple list. They are:

1. The prostate massage on Kending Lu
2. The Zhuanbang Lu BJ BBS
3. A BBS in Pudong for FS

I always return to the same girl for the same service, because so often in the BBS scene, the service is crap and when you find one you like, it's hard to move on.

Anyone else in the same boat?

Dragon D
09-05-06, 06:17
Heya Blacklisted,

I know exactly what you mean. I might have a stable of girls but out of the 15-20 of them I stick with 3 that I love to pieces. They treat me like a king and I get all the fun I need. When I feel like a change, then I just ST a couple of them to get it out of my system but I always go back to the favorites. I find that in Shanghai there are just too many girls working in BBS's so I have one place that I love and thats it. Not to say the hunt for new beavers isn't fun anymore, but sometimes you just need a time out to relax and rest.

Superforce99
09-05-06, 07:41
What's up with "Ace Gallant"? Where'd you get that name from? A Cinemax softcore?


J

Tiger 888
09-05-06, 08:43
The funny thing is that in my PM box all old received PMs show Ace Gallant, whereas the ones I have sent still show Asian Gambler. Asian Gambler is dead, long live Ace Gallant. Anyway there is only one true AG.

Ace Gallant
09-05-06, 09:00
You guys who had mongered or PM with me knows me by AG. I was thinking of a name so that you guys do not have to change the way you guys call me but yet have a fresh look.

Ace Gallant was a name I used when I started out in Japan 10 years ago. At that time there were no ISG there was just some local Websites like ISG.

AG

Unknown One
09-05-06, 09:15
Any of you guys who have been in Shaghai a while start to find you end up returning to the same places?

I have a few on my staple list. They are:

1. The prostate massage on Kending Lu
2. The Zhuanbang Lu BJ BBS
3. A BBS in Pudong for FS

I always return to the same girl for the same service, because so often in the BBS scene, the service is crap and when you find one you like, it's hard to move on.

Anyone else in the same boat?

I have a thing for being serviced, and nothing is more submissive than a BJ service indeed. I tend to frequent these places when my personal dates are not available and I am in dire need of an oral fixation (thanks to Shakira for the image). <-- This does not necessarily reflect my or any of my affiliates and associates' endorsement of her opinions and views expressed in her music or otherwise. -->

I must thank Mianbao and Blacklisted for addressing the place on Xuan Hua Lu for great BJ fun. The girls there are gorgeous and they are very willing to please. I think I found a LT girl there that I will frequently enjoy her polishing my pole with her lips. I was there yesterday (yes BL good sir, I am back in Shanghai for the moment) and all the girls seem to be quite good looking with decent cleavage (the girl I had actually had breasts when she pulled down her top for me, the others I dont know yet). The place charges 130 RMB and you get hot water action (I dont like this actually, its too nice a feeling and makes the experience last so much shorter). There are about 8-9 girls sitting outside and they seem to have taken down their pink neon light and resorted to normal lighting. The service is still there. The place is a bit shabby, but what does one expect from a BBS?

Location: Xuan Hua Lu, diagonally across a Japanese sauna bit 50 feet west, right next to a Kodak film development center.
Elaborated directions: Xuan Hua Lu runs parallel south of Yu Yuan Lu that if headed west about 1000m will end up at Zhong Shang Park. Xuan Hua Lu is between Ding Xi Lu and Jiang Su Lu, north of the Yan An Expressway.
If you come from the east side of the city, get off Yan An on Jiang Su Lu and make a right (heading north). When you see a Pu Dong Development bank on your right, turn left (heading west) on that road and you will be on Xuan Hua Lu. The BBS is to your right.
If you are coming from Zhong Shang Park, head east down Chang Ning Lu, make a right (heading south) at the 4 Seasons Hotel on Ding Xi Lu and head down 200m. Make a left (heading east) on Xuan Hua Lu. The place is located on your left somewhere down the road.
Cost: 130 RMB
Environment: If it turns you on you can hear the girls next door moaning and sucking somebody else. They have these old recliners lined up like the foot massage places. A curtain is all that seperates each chair. I cannot imagine what it sounds like if the place is packed with people.
Girls: 7-8
Overall: 7 on a BJ BBS scale

Now regarding BL's frequent prowlers guide, I dont frequent facilities much because I tend to have quite a few freebies that keep me busy. But sometimes I have the strong desire for something dirty so I go. I tend to hit ZY Pub, (AP they really know you there, being known as the prince of England, complete lack of modesty you are!) and also now this Xuan Hua Lu BBS. What can I say, Im an oral man.

St Germain
09-05-06, 10:49
Any of you guys who have been in Shaghai a while start to find you end up returning to the same places?

I have a few on my staple list. They are:

1. The prostate massage on Kending Lu
2. The Zhuanbang Lu BJ BBS
3. A BBS in Pudong for FS

I always return to the same girl for the same service, because so often in the BBS scene, the service is crap and when you find one you like, it's hard to move on.

Anyone else in the same boat?

When it comes to saunas, I always prefer a new place.

But for BBS, where the quality of service varies so much, then yes I have my staples.

I suppose this is because the objectives are different. At a sauna, my objective is to pamper myself, and so a new environment is always more interesting. At a BBS, I just want to have a good screw, and so when I need that I just go for the sure thing rather than roll the dice with new places.

My staple BBS here in Pudong is one up on Pudong Dadao on the north side of the road about 300 meters or so east of the Novotel. There are two BBS there, and mine is the one on the left. They take you out back to an apartment, so the overall feeling is safer and more private.

By the way, in your list of staples, which Pudong BBS are you referring to?

Albert Punter
09-05-06, 12:45
Hey #1346, is AP me ?

If such is the case, yes, they may know/remember me.
However, I assume they refer to someone else when they talk about "prince of England".



I tend to hit ZY Pub, (AP they really know you there, being known as the prince of England, complete lack of modesty you are!).


P.S. Just to contribute to Blacklisted survey:
at this point needless to say ZY is my only staple.

Gualtier Malde
09-05-06, 22:42
Anyone else in the same boat?

I return to the Shanghai Hotel Sauna, because it is walking distance from where I always stay. I can also walk to the Pub, but haven't been there since they finished the remodel. I have to go back there and check them out.

Mostly I'm a sucker for TongRen Lu chat bars, the dumbass that I am... :-)

I've really gotten hung up on the freebie (or near freebie) scene, so until that wears off, my staples are frequently on the back burner...

David

Levitian
09-06-06, 05:29
There are some places I do frequent from time to time, but already since years:

1) BBS Dingxi Road/Fahuashen Road (BBBJ & FS available), on Dingxi Road
2) BBS Changle Road/Chengdu Road (BBBJ & FS available), difficult to find, but the selection of cuties is good.
3) Teahouse/Massage Parlor Anyuan Road/Xikang Road (BBBJ & FS available)
4) BBS Wulumuqi Road/Caojiabang Road (BBBJ) in a back alley, very small place, not really good.

Levitian

Vulcan X
09-06-06, 08:47
Just returned from Shanghai after spending about a week in the City. Gathered up the info on this site and decided to try these places. My friends and I were at first inclined to try Dragon's services, but decided that it'd be more fun if we just had an adventure on our own (sorry Dragon for not calling you back, we wanted the thrill of the hunt).

Anyway, we arrived in Shanghai on a rainy day, and checked straight into the Sauna on 500 Wuzhong Rd. From there we went to Hooters to grab dinner, hoping we can chat up some of the ladies. Well let's just say, those hooter girls are pretty well trained to deal with guys like us. So we ended up no where. But that's no problem, we live in a sauna! Headed back to the Wuzhong Rd Sauna and headed down to the 4th floor. Well I have to say it was quite the experience. Especially for 3 Canadian guys, who have never been in one of these public bath houses before. Seeing so many naked men. Hmm. Well let's just say, I got to know my friends on a how new leve.

So after the body scrubbing, we all got one of these funny looking bath robes and were led down to this room with big sofas. In about 5 minutes, in comes all these girls. They all bow at the sametime to welcome us and they start by giving us their numbers. My friends picked first, so by the time it was for me to pick I couldn't really find someone I liked. So I ask the papa for new girls, but he says there are none. So I pick the one with the biggest rack, and surprisingly, she comes up and apologizes for not being attractive enough to be my first pick. Oh, boy she turned out to be a great choice.

Down these spiralling stairs we go and we end up in a room with a bed, a sofa and a TV. So I lay on my back and suddenly I feel these warm soft things on my back. I take a look at the mirror, and behold! She's using her breasts to massage my back! I'm already loving this country! Then she fills her mouth with water and basically pulsates the water on your back like a massage. And finally. She sucked the back of my knee joint. That sensation is unbelievable! Where do they figure all these things out? Anyway, then comes the red ropes for the BJ, and we end up fucking in just about every position but doggy. So finished up there and paid the 580rmb and got out.

Back in our rooms, my friends decide to call the massage center for a foot maassage. Well that turned into another fuck session as the foot massage girls were "off work" and only "masseuses" were available. Well from there they figured out which rooms we were in, and just called every night asking if we wanted a massage, well I had already planned the rest of my trip, so I didn't bother trying those. The second night we went back to the sauna and picked up our girls again for an "overnight" session, which came out to be 880rmb if you have a room in the hotel, or 1080 if you don't. It's pretty cool because we even ate dinner inside the sauna while waiting for the girls. Once they arrived, and dressed in their "normal" clothes, we headed up to our rooms and just fucked all night long.

On the 3rd day we decided to try the village. The taxi ride wasn't too expensive, about 20rmb from our 500 Wuzhong Rd to Hangdong Rd. We got off a block after seeing the "white arches". It was about 10: 30 and there was absolutely nothing on the streets. Then I remember reading posts about the place being raided. Well we decided to just stick it out and walk around. By 11pm, there were girls all over the place sitting outside eating food and playing cards. We started getting approached by the Mama's and Papa's telling us how good their girls are. Well it was 11pm now, and I didn't think we'd have a good chance of bringing girls back, so we headed home and took it easy that night.

The next day (4th day) we moved into a service apartment in the heart of Xujiahui, 2min away from the Metro. After a day of shopping and some bar hopping, we went back to the village. Picked 3 young ones, 21 (Hubei), 23 (Guizhou), 23(Hunan) all 400rmb for overnight. Well since there were 3 of us, and 3 girls, we needed 2 taxis. So I ended up in the car with 3 ladies and my 2 other friends went on a errand to get some stuff. We arrive at the apartment and I walk in with 3 girls, while getting these funny looks from the front desk. When I arrive in my room, the reception calls me and reminds me not to make too much noise. LOL. (how'd they know what I was up to? ) Well things didn't go too well from there. Apparently "all night" really means 6hrs and includes 2 fucks. So by 4am one of the girls is knocking on my door asking if my girls wants to go. Then from there all three girls got dressed and went home. Sigh. Soo much for cuddling all night. (These bitches only want your money).

So the next day, we go back to the village again and this time I learned my lesson and was asking the papa's how long the girls will stay and how many pops I get out of it. Well one of the papa, who claims he spent time in Japan and thus is using a "Japanese" system of management, told us that we can get 2 girls for 300rmb each, for 3hrs total and 2 fucks, and we can even switch inbetween! That sound pretty good, so we picked 2 girls from his lot, both from Hunan, one was 23 and the other claimed she was 21. However I found out from her 23y/o friend that she was only 18! Holy shit, I'd be going to jail if this happened back home. Anyway, my other friend picked up a spicy little thing from Sichuan, and once again we got 2 taxis and headed back to our apartment. So since I got to fuck 2 of these girls that night, who were both much more friendly then the previous night's girls, I had a nice conversation with the both of them. The 23yo is out in Shanghai making money so she can go home to open a clothing store. The 18yo, apparently was working in a factory in Guangzhou for the past 2 years and she wanted to make more money to go partying so she came to Shanghai. She's never had a bf, and lost her virginity 2 months ago to a client. Man, she didn't even know when a man was cumming? ! ? ! Well since I'm not too old, just early 20's, I didn't feel like I was committing too great of a crime. But somehow, I was feeling kinda bad for this girl. Oh well, a fuck is a fuck (don't hate the player hate the game). By morning time, I started to lose wood! (That's not good, I'm still young! ) Well I quickly finish the 18yo, in mish and got them outta the apartment. Then suddenly, I had this terrible feeling in my stomach. I ran to the bath room and threw up, followed by ridiculous diahrea. The combination of dirty sex and dirty food had taken it's toll on me. I was food poisoned. And outta commision for about 2 days.

On the 3rd day, I was feeling a bit better, so I pulled myself together and went to the infamous Shanghai Hotel. Now this was quite the experience for me. Because when I was young and growing up in Shanghai, the Shanghai Hotel was like a landmark hotel and now, it's a dirty ***** house! Anyway, I head to the sauna and it's pretty much the same set up as the Wuzhong Rd Sauna, just a bit better decorated. After showering I'm led to a hall, and in this room are about 5 girls. Not very good quality, but I pick one anyway. She's 19 and from Dongbei. It was her 5th day on the job, as she was previously working in Sinapore. As a student/masseuse. The combination of her lack of skills and my upset stomach. Caused the session to be a disaster. I couldn't get it up. Sigh. And she had to finish me with a HJ. But interestingly enough, she told me there are tons of working girls in Sinapore and Australia due to the large population of chinese people. She said Cananda however, isn't too attractive to chinese girls, because there's too many "caucasian" customers. Anyway, I paid my 650 and go the hell out of the place. Quite ashamed of my own performance.

That night I got on a train and headed for the great wall.

To be continued.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Flanker Star
09-06-06, 10:09
If you like to be rubbed by a nice pair of 38D, check out Shanghai Hotel and ask for #731. She has from Hunan, got a pair of the nicest natural 38D rack I have seen from a Chinese girl.

I went through the shower, the rub down, and the soak. Got the jammie on, walk down the corridor.come up to a counter, the girl ask if I want "an pai", I said yes. Then I follow another guy to a room, and picked her out from the lineup. (interesting, they didn't say anything.) I picked her because she has the most obvious "asset".

Did some chitchat, nice tity rub, rim job, f&I, etc, I did some muff diving. (she did rim job on me, I thought I might return the favor, but she is not into it. Hmmm. Anyone else experience the same? ) anyway, chaned couple positions, finished with me on top. She was joking wanting to save the condom.

Anyways. Nice experience. Will stop by nexttime I am in Shanghain.

Unknown One
09-06-06, 10:52
Hey #1346, is AP me ?

If such is the case, yes, they may know/remember me.
However, I assume they refer to someone else when they talk about "prince of England".




P.S. Just to contribute to Blacklisted survey:
at this point needless to say ZY is my only staple.

I figured it was you because of prince Albert. They spoke of the prince as someone who frequents there often and I know you give that place quite good reviews. If not then my mistake!

Albert Punter
09-06-06, 12:25
Uhm, very interesting.
Maybe this explains my success with girls.
Other than handsome I look regal !



I figured it was you because of prince Albert. They spoke of the prince as someone who frequents there often and I know you give that place quite good reviews. If not then my mistake!


P.S. Out of joke, yes I do frequent often and I did give good comments, however, I really think they refer to someone else when they talk about Prince.

Who among us is the (in)famous Prince ?

Qualify yourself and throw the mask !

Shanghai Jack
09-06-06, 15:28
Even more than the various Saunas in Shanghai I like a particular 'Soapland-style' place in Puxi. The Chinese name is 'Ji Yuan Hui Suo' and it is at the intersection of 'Jiao Zhou' Lu and 'Chang Ping' Lu. Jiao Zhou road starts behind the Jing An temple and after 5 minutes taxi ride you cross Chang Ping road. Get out here, it is the corner building on the left side. It should be no problem to find it. The taxi drivers always smile at me in this special way when I show the card to them...

Upstairs at the reception, you get your key and there is nothing to discuss.
They speak only a little English but it really does not matter at all. As it is a Soapland, you do not take a shower but simply change to the usual pyjama. Then they bring you to a waiting room, if you come with larger parties you get your private room.

Waiting times can be pretty long - up to 1,5 hours - especially if you come on a weekday between 8 and 11 pm. Therefore, better go between 3 to 7 pm on a weekday or on the weekends where you normally just walk through and have the place for yourself.

When it is your turn, they bring you to a room and show you the line up.
If the place is not busy, you might have more than 20 girls to choose from and this is a really really difficult task as almost all of them are fantastic. I always prefer the tall slim ones and my favorite girls are number 5 and number 82, but the others are also great. As the place is focused on serving Japanese clients, the girls are all very pretty, friendly, clean, and have a great service attitude.

The girl of your choice will guide you to a room with a massage bed and shower facilities. In the shower, there is another bed and the girl will start by showering and massaging you gently. Then, you can relax on the bed while she lubes herself up with soap and starts sliding all over you using the different parts of her body to stimulate you. Quite nice to get you started and after another quick shower you advance to the next level which is the 'normal' massage bed.

Your girl will continue with a tongue bath, but it is definitely one of the better ones and normally they are very dedicated to really clean every inch of your body. Then she would normally open up her suitcase and present you a couple of 'torture instruments' but I usually skip this routine.

They always look a bit disappointed when I reject this service but I really donít feel comfortable with this stuff in my rear, sorry.

Anyway you only have one hour and to be honest all this washing, licking, rimming and massaging can sometimes be just too time consuming.

But there is always the option to skip all of this and go straight to the action - I usually do this when I come to see a girl for the second or third time and I am happy with her service.

Well, then it is usually time for Fire and Ice BBBJ and good old sex in various positions. Everything very passionate and no 'routine mechanics'. Some of them finish you off with BBBJ and CIM if you like, some don't - it all depends on the situation and how you 'click' with the girl.

Usually, there is not much time left to smoke or talk afterwards, but if you don't speak Chinese there is nothing to miss anyway.

After the fun is over, you can return to your room and get a foot massage, but I usually won't and simply leave.

Price for one hour: 760 RMB - I did not try anything else and I don't know what other 'packages' are available.

If I compare this place to saunas like the Shanghai Hotel, I really prefer this one as the line up and the service attitude is usually much better. I recommend to try the showering experience at least once but then you might want to consider to skip the extras and go for the real thing immediately.

Have fun, SJ

Summiteer
09-06-06, 17:29
Hi All, I am looking for some advice from more experienced members. I have checked the forum and not really found what I was looking for, although this does not mean that it is not there.

I will be in Shanghai at the end of the month and I am looking to book a hotel. I am struggling with the geography of Shanghai. All the maps that I can find refer to districts and most of the reports refer to roads. I am unsure which district the roads are in.

Can anyone help by answering the following questions:

1) Which area are the main saunas etc in ?
2) Which area is the best for bars / etc to pick up freelancers ?
3) Can anyone suggest a good hotel locate in that area ?
4) Does anyone have a link to a good map of shanghai identifying the above locations ?

Many thanks in advance

Summiteer

Keaton 64
09-06-06, 17:35
I am in shanghai. was worried becasue of my group not leaving me alone, never. but when i came back to galaxy hotel i went up to my room just to stay aloen and think how to avoid my company and in teh elevetaro i noticed a slim yojgn typical chinese girl who got out at mny same floor.. strange... and then she smield at me and asked: massage? bingo!
300 rmb, nothjign unforgetable but easy, not bad and confortable. i think this hotel is packed of opportunitisies

but i want to try more, some soapland experience, some bj bar, some bbs.. hel

Gualtier Malde
09-06-06, 20:20
Hi Summiteer,

It does depend on what you are willing to spend. You can stay at the Hilton or Equatorial (5 star and 4 star, respectively) and be a short walk to the Shanghai Hotel Sauna, the bars on Tong Ren Lu, the infamous Pub (search the forum), and a short taxi ride to the night spots on Heng Shan Lu (Bourbon Street, too many others to mention).

The Shanghai Hotel itself is, well, a hotel (I think 3 star). It is cheaper than the Equatorial, which is cheaper than the Hilton.

If you want to go economy, there are tons of Motel 168s, several in the Jing An area. You could also try the Green Tree Inn, which is another budget hotel. Most folks here who go budget seem to go Motel 168.

Keep in mind that taxis are cheap, and anywhere you stay in Puxi is probably not going to be too far from something interesting. Personally, I like the Jing An district, and have no problem recommending the Equatorial or Hilton.

David

Hi All, I am looking for some advice from more experienced members. I have checked the forum and not really found what I was looking for, although this does not mean that it is not there.

I will be in Shanghai at the end of the month and I am looking to book a hotel. I am struggling with the geography of Shanghai. All the maps that I can find refer to districts and most of the reports refer to roads. I am unsure which district the roads are in.

Can anyone help by answering the following questions:

1) Which area are the main saunas etc in ?
2) Which area is the best for bars / etc to pick up freelancers ?
3) Can anyone suggest a good hotel locate in that area ?
4) Does anyone have a link to a good map of shanghai identifying the above locations ?

Many thanks in advance

Summiteer

Tony Soprano 1
09-06-06, 22:10
Vulcan X + Shanghai Jack...
Two well done reports from members with only a few posts but have obviously did their homework and then were kind enough to provide some field reports. Well done. That is the way to do it.
I will be back in Shanghai on the 19th so I expect to be adding some new reports also.
Cheers to all.
Tony

Pinaster
09-07-06, 00:10
I know the will be dismissed as a gullible young (although I am 30 already) good hearted guy deceived by the professionals. Given this, I do feel wanted to help this girl. She never even hinted she wanted help however, I would have to say upfront. In fact she is very happy, which is why I wanted to help. I had no idea my mongering trip to shanghai brings me to such a lesson of life

The second day in shanghai, I hooked up through QQ (a chinese MSN, and yes I am native chinese working in US) with a girl, who actually is a member of a loosly controlled organization as I know later. What I hooked up with of course was its correspondent. I was dispatched to a residential area, typical Shanghai apartment. After some "intentional detour", I saw a wonderful girl, and did a FS. Although she was from small village, and was a pure farm girl before she came out for biz, her skin, talking, altitude does not appear as a farm girl at all. She explained to me 400 RMB for a full session, 500 for some extra, 700 for some more extra. I agreed with 500. Then she started working. The usual stuff, nothing to write in ISG anyway. But during which, she shows some unusual naiveness, curiosity, and humor through conversation, and is extremely willing to please, although lack in skill. I said, what the heck, I will give you 700, and do what ever you have. Unfortunately, after 17 hours of economical class the night before, I did not take long to finish (which means the extra 200 RMB did not buy me anything). When it is all done, and after some interesting conversation. She sends me out of the door, and hugged me goodbye. When I even started to leave, I remember I only paid 500 RMB, and as I promised, I promised. I came back and gave her another 200 RMB. Obviously her memory was not as lousy as mine, and said she did not think it is fair to ask me for this 200. So she did not ask. This, and other things, really made a good impression on me, and I asked for her number, which she gave me with some hesitation. To now, it is just a good professional who pleases customer. Nothing special.

The second day, I send a cell phone text message to her asking her if she wants to come over to my hotel. She refused, asked me to go over. I was tired, therefore, refused and called in another out-call girls (which is a story of its own, but I will skip it here). The third day, the jet lag really caught me, and I spent the night sleeping.

The fourth day, I. E. , yesterday, at work, I get a text message from her, asking if I would like to go over, which I declined and asked again if she wants to come to my place. She obviously hesitated a long while and agreed. We agreed 9 PM, and she showed up at 8: 30pm. She told me, very upfront, she came out because the biz is not good these a few days and she thinks I am a secure way of incoming. To do this, she has to ask for a "vacation" from her boss for a few hours since there is not much biz anyway. I was shocked by her total honest, when you see the eyes, you see the truth. Together with my previous experience, I felt something special about the girl. I wanted to talk to her rather than fuck her, also to know how it is like to be a professional in shanghai, like spending money to read a book I probably could never read otherwise. I am not tight on money anyway. I asked how long she would like to stay, and I made it clear before she came I had no problem paying for the night, and not prepared to negotiate reasonable price. She only wanted a quick session and 400 RMB. I insisted to have a night, and she very reluctantly agreed, but said it would be expensive. I asked how much, she said 1500RMB. And she also said if it is case, she had to call back to her boss to report after her vacation she met a regular for the night. I know it is high, but I figure, the normal price for her organization is 1200RMB from 12am on. She came at 9ish, it is not that unfair. And did not argue.

As I was still writting my report, she chatted with me for a while, what a talker, talking about her various interesting stories (not her professional stories), totally a naive childish girl. Then we took a walk outside, and come back, did the usual. Then we started to talk, and this is what shocked me.

She was born in poor family, quitted school after junior high, and did several years of farm work, then got married. Her husband, which she is still married to, and have a 2 years old baby with, did small biz, and lost money, not much about 40-50k RMB, but this is a lot for a farm family. They had no way out, and she wanted (not her huz) to come out to earn money to pay the debt back. And she previously worked in Jiaxing Zhejiang, then moved to shanghai only a month ago. We spent about 3 hours talking, she told her stories, childhood stories, stories with husband, with in-laws, neighbors. How she loves her huz, how her huz loves her. What shocked me most is how she kept such a high spirit all the time, did not sound like a girl who is suffering, but rather full of hope, once she earned the money to pay back the debt, she would then open a small fashion shop so that her family could live happy afterwords. She told me how she did not know how to trick customer to pay more money, how she wants to treat nicely of everyone, including customers, how she deals with rude customers. How she felt down sometime, and how she always looks at hope and upholds a nice spirit to spend the life with. I talked a little about my sex problem with my gf, and she talked how she enjoyed sex with husband, and how I could ease my problem. It went on and one, but at the end of day, what you see and hear is a nice, dignit lady, who tries her best to earn back her future life. During the entire process, she never ever hinted wanted my help or even one extra penny in anyway, although obviously I am pretty rich and generous. It is so strong that I am even afraid of offering money to her. I only suggested that if she could get receipt for dinner, I can get reimbursement from my company, and give the money to her (I can totally give her about 200 dollars). And she thought a little bit, and said she did not know where to get the receipt and never mentioned it. (btw, she earns about 10kRMB a months by doing this and another day time normal job which earns about 1200RMB per month), but since she only does in-call, she has to rent an apartment which costs her 3000 RMB a months. So she could save about 6k RMB a month. What she gets from customers have to half-half share with her boss. But her boss takes care of customers and provides some protection (not a lot). I asked her if she felt unfair, she says, this is done at will, so nothing to complain about. Now, she wakes up, I offered to buy her breakfast in fancy western rest, and looks like she would refuse it.

Now, I would just stop, and wait for judgement from your guys. Well it might be she tricked me into my heart, but I don't think I am so naive to trick, nor she could make up that three hours story, and talked in such high spirit way.

I do want to help, of course not in a crazy way. I set aside a grand for this trip, and I don't feel lost anything if I could somehow use this to help her.

End of story. And supprisingly taught me a lession of life.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Sinofaguo
09-07-06, 04:24
Great report Shanghai Jack!



Upstairs at the reception, you get your key and there is nothing to discuss.
They speak only a little English but it really does not matter at all. As it is a Soapland, you do not take a shower but simply change to the usual pyjama. Then they bring you to a waiting room, if you come with larger parties you get your private room.If I got you right, unlike most saunas, you don't have to parade naked with other men. You just go from reception to a change room where you change in pijama and then go to a waiting room waiting for your turn.

Also does it only open at 3 pm? or is it opened before?


Price for one hour: 760 RMBIs it the same price all the time or is there an afternoon time price & a more expansive night time price?

Thanks

Rikayama
09-07-06, 04:52
Hey, Pinaster,

Please don't do get too far about helping any girl in this town, including non-service provider. The best way to help her is give her more business during your stay here. Your reward is better service at better atmosphere (girlfriend-like somehow).

First of all, no pro or semi-pro (outcall, street walker, sauna, KTV, lounge bar girls, etc.) has a budget of RMB 3,000 rent on her own in Shanghai unless she is sponsored or has already become a mama. Either she is not living alone or she simply lied to you about her rent. (Budget for night girls is normally 1,200-1,500 (sharing apt.) to 1,600-2,500 (studio or 1-bd room)

There are too many girls in China, i.e. more than 700m. Each one has a story to tell you, and it's up to you to buy it or not. Many of these night girls have husbands and/or boy friends who live on these girls' hard-earned $$. I had helped a few girls for a few years. I've got some mixed feelings about doing such thing, especially the unwanted attachment as time progresses. It did feel good to help a poor girl as I recall. However, that good feeling just end there. These pros or part-timers quite often screw different guys almost on daily basis (e.g. your girl has to do at least 30+ FS to make her cut of 10K RMB. By the way, she also lied to you about her boss taking half of $$ unless she had been a forced pro out of debt. Mama usually takes 100 (FS) to 200 (whole-nighter) Moreover, girls in this trade deal with all kinds of guys all the time. They have been there and know men's talk all too well. Girls will take these extra $$ in some ways and make you feel a little "different" momentarily. In the end, you know very well that you are no different from those guys they fucked a few days or hours before.

Enjoy your stay, post your reports to share your new-found joints or services. We are all here to share. Leave the unnecessary mental traps behind.

Blacklisted
09-07-06, 06:40
I enjoyed your story, it was, well, pretty kind of heartwarming...

It's nice to hear about the relationship side of things, rather than only the sex, and I totally understand your desire to just learn more about a girls life. I often do similar things myself, given the opportunity (although one day I'm going to get myself into trouble: as AG always reminds me!).

Rikayama makes some fair comments, although I'm sure you're already aware.

But I think it's totally cool to help a girl out of her situation if you feel it's the right thing to do.

In terms of other mongers needs, stories about nice foreigners, be they overseas Chinese or various lao wai, being nice to girls sends out the positivie vibes and the looooove, enhancing our chances of getting freebies who think they might also have a chance to land a sympathetic foreigner.

Even though the majority of us only want to get into their pants!!!

Ok, not the majority, all of us!!!

:)

Dragon D
09-07-06, 07:54
To be honest, your story was touching and it is nice that you care about the well being of the girl your with. Since I work with many of these girls on a daily basis, I have seen and heard almost every truth and heard about the hell that is their lives. You only got to hear the tip of the iceburg. One of the main reasons I do what I do is to try and help the girls have a better life. Even gave a money management lesson to them. I won't share in detail the things I have heard because it would make any decent mans blood boil. Sometimes ignorance or not knowing will make your life a lot better. I have had a couple of clients insist on telling them the story of the girl they were just with and after I did, they had a hard time coping with their morals for awhile. So my advice is be nice to the girls and take what they tell you with a grain of salt. Be an attentive listener because sometimes they don't have anyone to talk to. DO NOT get involved though and try to be a knight in shining armour because her man and his friends plus the boss will be paying you a visit if you try to take away their money tree. I have done it a couple of times but with great pains and the support of the boss who hated their boy friends or husbands anyways. For a normal joe that doesn't know China though, settle for being happy and enjoying the moment. Just my 2 cents. If you want to be a hero, think twice because how many can you save.

Albert Punter
09-07-06, 12:28
One more time I add links to all maps of Shanghai I know.

http://www.smartshanghai.com/maps/smsh_map.php
in English and interactive

http://www.cityofnanaimo.com/asia/China/Shanghai.pdf
in English

http://smi.stn.sh.cn/eshmap/emap.htm
in Chinese and interactive

http://home.wangjianshuo.com/scripts/map/
in Chinese

http://sh.edushi.com/
in Chinese



Hi All, I am looking for some advice from more experienced members. I have checked the forum and not really found what I was looking for, although this does not mean that it is not there.

I will be in Shanghai at the end of the month and I am looking to book a hotel. I am struggling with the geography of Shanghai. All the maps that I can find refer to districts and most of the reports refer to roads. I am unsure which district the roads are in.

Can anyone help by answering the following questions:

1) Which area are the main saunas etc in ?
2) Which area is the best for bars / etc to pick up freelancers ?
3) Can anyone suggest a good hotel locate in that area ?
4) Does anyone have a link to a good map of shanghai identifying the above locations ?

Many thanks in advance

Summiteer

Pinaster
09-07-06, 12:36
I expected the friendly cautions fellow ISG member will kindly give out, and I certain is not a fool to believe eveything. When I said I wanted to help, I by no means wanted to give her 10 grands or such silly things. As I said, I set aside a grand for this trip, of which I have spent half. I don't mind where the rest goes to.

What supprised me was not the story itself, but how she told the story, and how her eyes look when she told the story. I am not 20 years old kid out of school after all. If someone could deceives that well, I would just relive my entire life or she would be an oscar winner. It is hard for me to believe she made up these stories, also she only told these stories when I insisted, otherwise, she was totally prepared to sleep after the sex. Particularly, how she talks about the feeling she has for her huz, and appreciating what her huz does to him. How she envisions good life ahead, and complains about stuff like her in-laws not liking her. She showed me her daughter's pic in her cell. I can't think of any motivation of anyone who has any purpose or wants money from me, would make up such a story and talk about love between her and her huz. Maybe I am just too old-school. She told the story totally not as a sad story, but rather a story in her life, and she still enjoys the life no matter what, as she has hope, and the hope is IN HER HAND.

She knows I would be out of country next Monday. And I made it very clear that if she wants, she could come back anytime, and I don't care that much for the money. But she did not contact me today at all. When she was coming to my hotel, she got lost and called me, I asked her to take a taxi, and I would pay for it. When she knew it would be less then ten minutes of walk, she insisted on walking. She actually walked for about twenty minutes from bus station to my hotel. As I said, I did not judge the person from the story, but rather from small details.

For the housing, she just came there for a month, taking over from a friend who left. She said she was filling in only, and did not know a bit of shanghai. To be honest, I also double why she needs a two bedroom aparment.

Her math adds up like this, she takes about 4-5 a day, each one gives on average 400-500. She takes half or probably more a little. And she works for about 15-18 days a month so far in the last month. That probably adds up to 10k RMB a month. The next morning, I gave money to her, she did not even count, and I assure you she did not see where I took the money from and how much I counted it.

I certainly won't go out of my way to help her, but just wonder if there is anything reasonable that I could do.

As Draong D pointed out, I might not want to hear the real story, but I guess I still do. I have a gf who is lovely, and probably equally nice if not more, and I certain does not have any "feeling" for her. I guess what I care about this girl is more out of a respect rather than pity. I did not even touch her last night after the story although my jet lag still did not allow me to fully sleep for a minute. What I respect is how she could keep such open-mind and high spirit and enjoy the life still after being cornered.

I will now shut my mouth, hopefully not sounding like an old lady already or a total fool

Albert Punter
09-07-06, 12:54
I really enjoyed Pinaster post.

While I agree with many issues posted by Rikayama, I disagree with him when he says so:



Leave the unnecessary mental traps behind.


I think such experiences and discussions must be part of the forum. They are not unnecessary. On the contrary, they enrich it, as they teach us more.

Also, I don't think they are mental traps either.
Or, isn't mongering a mental trap too ?

Eaglestar
09-07-06, 13:44
One more time I add links to all maps of Shanghai I know.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


AP I put this in the ROD so all can see without you having to post over and over. Just hope all will read the ROD and see it.

ES

Pinaster
09-07-06, 14:07
Rikayama, I don't mean to argue with you in any sense. just wanted to clarify a little bit of information I got.

I have been to where she stays, and it is a two bedroom apartment. she took over from a friend who just left (as she told me). it is in a decent residential area. why she needs such a large room? I don't know, but as i said she just came to this city and essentially knows noone.

for how much boss got. she is not a bar girl, but rather like an organized prosti group. the boss takes care of looking for customer and just dispatches to the girls. and boss provides some protection in case of .. plus she is new, I guess that is why the overhead is so high. She did not even complain about this, but rather took it as the way it is and said no one forced her to accept the term.

as you deal with people, it is not all sex. and that makes you want to girl, not plastic virtual. IMHO


Hey, Pinaster,

Please don't do get too far about helping any girl in this town, including non-service provider. The best way to help her is give her more business during your stay here. Your reward is better service at better atmosphere (girlfriend-like somehow).

First of all, no pro or semi-pro (outcall, street walker, sauna, KTV, lounge bar girls, etc.) has a budget of RMB 3,000 rent on her own in Shanghai unless she is sponsored or has already become a mama. Either she is not living alone or she simply lied to you about her rent. (Budget for night girls is normally 1,200-1,500 (sharing apt.) to 1,600-2,500 (studio or 1-bd room)

There are too many girls in China, i.e. more than 700m. Each one has a story to tell you, and it's up to you to buy it or not. Many of these night girls have husbands and/or boy friends who live on these girls' hard-earned $$. I had helped a few girls for a few years. I've got some mixed feelings about doing such thing, especially the unwanted attachment as time progresses. It did feel good to help a poor girl as I recall. However, that good feeling just end there. These pros or part-timers quite often screw different guys almost on daily basis (e.g. your girl has to do at least 30+ FS to make her cut of 10K RMB. By the way, she also lied to you about her boss taking half of $$ unless she had been a forced pro out of debt. Mama usually takes 100 (FS) to 200 (whole-nighter) Moreover, girls in this trade deal with all kinds of guys all the time. They have been there and know men's talk all too well. Girls will take these extra $$ in some ways and make you feel a little "different" momentarily. In the end, you know very well that you are no different from those guys they fucked a few days or hours before.

Enjoy your stay, post your reports to share your new-found joints or services. We are all here to share. Leave the unnecessary mental traps behind.

Pinaster
09-07-06, 14:11
I guess a little bit different here is what I see is a well respectful, smart, beautiful, warm hearted young wife/mother otherwise, if she had not been forced (if it is true) into the biz. I don't feel a single bit of pity for her, but rather respect her as a person and wanted to help. To be honest, I don't think she wants help, but rather would like to earn the future herself, whatever it takes.


To be honest, your story was touching and it is nice that you care about the well being of the girl your with. Since I work with many of these girls on a daily basis, I have seen and heard almost every truth and heard about the hell that is their lives. You only got to hear the tip of the iceburg. One of the main reasons I do what I do is to try and help the girls have a better life. Even gave a money management lesson to them. I won't share in detail the things I have heard because it would make any decent mans blood boil. Sometimes ignorance or not knowing will make your life a lot better. I have had a couple of clients insist on telling them the story of the girl they were just with and after I did, they had a hard time coping with their morals for awhile. So my advice is be nice to the girls and take what they tell you with a grain of salt. Be an attentive listener because sometimes they don't have anyone to talk to. DO NOT get involved though and try to be a knight in shining armour because her man and his friends plus the boss will be paying you a visit if you try to take away their money tree. I have done it a couple of times but with great pains and the support of the boss who hated their boy friends or husbands anyways. For a normal joe that doesn't know China though, settle for being happy and enjoying the moment. Just my 2 cents. If you want to be a hero, think twice because how many can you save.

Satellite
09-07-06, 17:32
I've been mongering since 1985 when my first "leave" was in the PI and that experience started/changed my life. By easily meeting and doing all sorts of types of women from many backgrounds, for play or pay, I've heard 100's of stories.

As most of us mongerers have heard these same stories. But speaking for most of the mongers, after the first 5-10 stories, we become hardened to them as they all start sounding the same with some unique and respectable twists like Pinastar heard.

I still ask most girls about their background as their stories compliment the "experience" to become a little more fulfilling- like a cheap date/one night stand.

However, It did not take long before I stopped giving "pity" money or overpaying (unless for good service like a tip at the end) because usually with both of those cases, the lady is usually ungrateful at the end (similar to never hearing a "thank you" from a street beggar).

All I can say is life is not easy.

Rikayama
09-07-06, 18:03
AP,

Thank you for your comment and question.

There is an old Chinese saying goes like, "Men get naughty as they get rich. Girls get naughty to get rich." (For those who read Chinese, "???????????????")
I've seen enough these working girls double- or triple-dipping all the time. It's very much the same way we guys do among girl friends, wives, mistresses, and pros. Believe me, some scenes are just not pretty when anyone of them drops the ball. Given a chance, girls would not hesitate to pocket more easy $$. First of all, they are in the business to deal with and be surrounded by men of all walks. I just don't think we are that much different from those others who also put theirs in her butt. A little more extra $$ can upgrade the service and attitude, but normally not much else. Pinaster's girl has shown too many doubtful accounts of her story. I am not saying she is just such a gold-digger. But I'd rather say she might be such a gem. Most of these vulnerable-looking Chinese babes are/were indeed tough survivors in harsh Chinese rural/urban life. They often get tougher when they come to big cities like Shanghai.

I enjoy very much Pinaster's story. It's so touching and brings back some fond memories of mine (and perhaps many other fellow mongers').

200 years ago, Shanghai was nothing but a small fishing village. Restaurants, hotels, gambling casinos, and, of course, brothels had been established along the canals in Shanghai for hundreds of years before. Thanks to Opium War and many others that followed, Russians, English, French, German, Jewish refugees, Japanese, American, and all others poured in the place thereafter. The mongering things were never the same any more. The variety was abundant very much in the same way all Chinese girls from all over China rushing to Shanghai these days.

Mongering experience is not a trap and should not be. Don't get me wrong, AP. I was just trying to point out some basics of my observation and render a piece of advice and opinion to Pinaster. There are way too many girls in this country like Pinaster's girl. Don't try to get too deep into her personal territory as very little you could change and very much you could get sucked in.

Again, I apologize for my language and wording that might imply any offense to our fellow mongers. I just hope this clarifies a few comments I made earlier...

Isn't it the mongering experience a happy, truly joyful one and free of social lies and blunders anyhow?

Rikayama


I really enjoyed Pinaster post.

While I agree with many issues posted by Rikayama, I disagree with him when he says so:

I think such experiences and discussions must be part of the forum. They are not unnecessary. On the contrary, they enrich it, as they teach us more.

Also, I don't think they are mental traps either.

Or, isn't mongering a mental trap too ?

Thorr
09-07-06, 18:36
Found a cluster of about 17 BBS's in Pudong.

Location:

Intersection: Jin Tai Lu/Jin Qiao Lu. You can identify the street corner (3 way) by the Tang Dynasty restaurant at one of the corners.

Jin tai Lu ends at Jin Qiao Lu, so there is only 1 direction to go. The bbs's are located on the right hand side and span from about 43 to 159 Jin Tai Lu.

The BBS closest to 117 Jin Tai Lu has a sweet 19 yr old from Zhe Jiang Province. Nice slim body, firm breasts. Body: 8.5/10, Face: 6.5. BBBJ, FS

Typical pricing: FS 150RMB

Added service:

There happens to be a hotel nearby the intersection of Jin Tai Lu and Jin Qiao Lu called City Garden Hotel located at 1480 Jin Qiao Lu. (at the entrance to the highway). If you enter through Jin Qiao Lu, you'll need to pass through their restaurant first.

At the hotel lobby counter, they have some coupons for their massage services. One of the coupons will state "Pay nothing". This refers to the shower. Take the coupon with you to their sauna to take a free shower after you have enjoyed yourself. The counter person at the sauna may seem a little annoyed, but the coupon states the shower is free.

Sauna closes at 2am

Happy "clean" Hunting

Summiteer
09-07-06, 20:15
David Xyzzy and Albert Punter

Many thanks for the info .. a big help !! I will continue my research :)

thanks
the summit


Hi Summiteer,

It does depend on what you are willing to spend. You can stay at the Hilton or Equatorial (5 star and 4 star, respectively) and be a short walk to the Shanghai Hotel Sauna, the bars on Tong Ren Lu, the infamous Pub (search the forum), and a short taxi ride to the night spots on Heng Shan Lu (Bourbon Street, too many others to mention).

The Shanghai Hotel itself is, well, a hotel (I think 3 star). It is cheaper than the Equatorial, which is cheaper than the Hilton.

If you want to go economy, there are tons of Motel 168s, several in the Jing An area. You could also try the Green Tree Inn, which is another budget hotel. Most folks here who go budget seem to go Motel 168.

Keep in mind that taxis are cheap, and anywhere you stay in Puxi is probably not going to be too far from something interesting. Personally, I like the Jing An district, and have no problem recommending the Equatorial or Hilton.

David

Rikayama
09-08-06, 03:58
SJ,

Thank you for your great post here.

I miss those Soapland services in Japan so much.

I wish they also do the lube job with syrup with their b&p while guys lying on the top of a beach floater (in the clean-up session).

Can't wait to try it out!

Rikayama


Even more than the various Saunas in Shanghai I like a particular 'Soapland-style' place in Puxi. The Chinese name is 'Ji Yuan Hui Suo' and it is at the intersection of 'Jiao Zhou' Lu and 'Chang Ping' Lu. Jiao Zhou road starts behind the Jing An temple and after 5 minutes taxi ride you cross Chang Ping road. Get out here, it is the corner building on the left side. It should be no problem to find it. The taxi drivers always smile at me in this special way when I show the card to them.

Have fun, SJ

Blacklisted
09-08-06, 06:18
Found a cluster of about 17 BBS's in Pudong.

Location:

Intersection: Jin Tai Lu/Jin Qiao Lu. You can identify the street corner (3 way) by the Tang Dynasty restaurant at one of the corners.

Jin tai Lu ends at Jin Qiao Lu, so there is only 1 direction to go. The bbs's are located on the right hand side and span from about 43 to 159 Jin Tai Lu.

The BBS closest to 117 Jin Tai Lu has a sweet 19 yr old from Zhe Jiang Province. Nice slim body, firm breasts. Body: 8.5/10, Face: 6.5. BBBJ, FS

Typical pricing: FS 150RMB

Added service:

There happens to be a hotel nearby the intersection of Jin Tai Lu and Jin Qiao Lu called City Garden Hotel located at 1480 Jin Qiao Lu. (at the entrance to the highway). If you enter through Jin Qiao Lu, you'll need to pass through their restaurant first.

At the hotel lobby counter, they have some coupons for their massage services. One of the coupons will state "Pay nothing". This refers to the shower. Take the coupon with you to their sauna to take a free shower after you have enjoyed yourself. The counter person at the sauna may seem a little annoyed, but the coupon states the shower is free.

Sauna closes at 2am

Happy "clean" Hunting


I will organise a mission and send out a probe to check the others in the street.

Dragon D
09-08-06, 07:47
Heya,

I don't think for a second that you are a fool... it has nothing to do with the money, but every once in awhile you will find a woman who has the right chemistry that you want and you start to get feelings again. After years of playing I have seen it all and well sometimes I am hardened I am also an old softy at heart. I have in China been through a couple of hundred girls in the 4 years I have been here and only 4 have made it into the freebie/mistress category. To be honest with all the sorry excuse for men the girls meet, a genuine guy who cares can let them bring down the wall and open the door to you. You actually got to hear in my opinion a genuine life story which will change how you see things in the future. Sometimes we forget that they are a person with feelings and just think of them as a piece of meat that we pick. These close experiences I think enrich our lives and shows us a lot. Out of my 4 favorites one is a mother with a two year old, one is married and wants a divorce, one is young and has a loser bf and the last one just paid 10,000 RMB to her bf to break up. All these girls though will come to me for no cost and when I mean free I mean free. No clothes shopping or any of that. They just like to have someone to talk to and to enjoy quality time with someone who cares. I found that the different qualities that each girl has is what I wish I could find in one woman. So each one spends time with me and I get to enjoy different personalities which keeps life interesting. I hate to say it, but just one woman is not enough for any man. Remember that we grow and learn from our experiences which is why humans are so unique.

I still say though that these girls come from a totally different world than we know and if you are not strong and able to control your emotions, don't ask to know their stories because I have seem some people do some pretty extreme things to change a girls life. Remember though, you can't help forever and sometimes that hope you give them will end up hurting them more than helping.

Finally, I think we can all tell the difference between a story and the truth. LIke Pinstar said, genuine feelings you can feel and it is those girls that I think we are after. The ones that to get you to fuck them tell you stories, we have heard enough to be careful.

Just my 2 cents from on the job experience.

Mianbao
09-08-06, 10:45
Pinstar,

Good on you for telling your story about the girl you met who was married and doing this work to earn back the money her family has lost.

Unfortunately I think this is a very common story amongst providers. Every girl I have ever been with has either been trying to get herself to university, or to provide for her family, and if given a choice they would be earning money some other way.

All we can do is treat these girls with respect, and pay the fair going rate but don't underpay.

I must say I sometimes feel something for these girls but it is also important to be on very close guard, so that if you do help out in an additional way that is to some end benefit. Not only are some stories a con (I do not doubt for a second that Pinstarís girl is genuine), but also some of these girls have no idea how to manage money for the long term and are likely to throw it away.

A better option is to become their regular, so that they have a more stable cashflow and hopefully have to see fewer other customers (although unlikely), however in this case it is important not to lose your heart.

I do think that hearing their stories is sometimes interesting. When I first arrived in Shanghai I purposely went to a HJ only BBS to chat (ok I also got my HJ of course!), for two reasons: to practice my spoken Chinese and to understand peopleís lives in this country better. My Chinese would not be as good as it is now if I had not spent hours chatting in a BBS instead of in my apartment alone watching DVDís. It also worked two ways, in that I hopefully taught some of these girls not to look at all foreigners just as a walking ATM. A recent one in particular just could not understand why it was an issue for me to hand over an extra RMB100, she was truly shocked to hear that there was a time in my life when I had no money, and I have had to work hard for what I have. Now that she has understood that I earned what I have and she must do the same, I get better service from her and she is opening up to learning more.

At the end of the day there is the good and the bad in life, by talking to these girls and engaging in this activity I think my life is richer than when I wasn't, and if all else I am helping someone earn an income.

Pinaster
09-08-06, 13:16
Thank you Dragon D. you have spoken exactly what I wanted to say. I do feel as you said "You actually got to hear in my opinion a genuine life story which will change how you see things in the future. " I am young, when you feel the truth in heart, it is the truth. I totally lost mongering interest yesterday, but seems I am picking up today.

I also agree with you the best way for us is not to be a saver and I am all but normal people just a little bit more money to spend.

I guess the reason I posted here just to speak out what I feel (I can't tell my gf or colleague or friends anyway). also wonder in my very limit time/money what reasonable thing I can do.

At the end of day, all I wanted, could think of was just offer her several K RMB for a few days, just the money she normally earns as if she was working, but take her around shanghai for fun (she has only been her for a month, and has not been to anyplace yet). not much, but do a little to get some happiness into her life and probably myself (I need a company anyway). unfortunately, she only likes to exchange text messeges with me to make small chat, but refused so far my offer (two days). she even refused to have dinner with me. which might make you think I am that an ugly guy, but in contrast, I am quite handsome and nice in any standard.


Heya,

I don't think for a second that you are a fool... it has nothing to do with the money, but every once in awhile you will find a woman who has the right chemistry that you want and you start to get feelings again. After years of playing I have seen it all and well sometimes I am hardened I am also an old softy at heart. I have in China been through a couple of hundred girls in the 4 years I have been here and only 4 have made it into the freebie/mistress category. To be honest with all the sorry excuse for men the girls meet, a genuine guy who cares can let them bring down the wall and open the door to you. You actually got to hear in my opinion a genuine life story which will change how you see things in the future. Sometimes we forget that they are a person with feelings and just think of them as a piece of meat that we pick. These close experiences I think enrich our lives and shows us a lot. Out of my 4 favorites one is a mother with a two year old, one is married and wants a divorce, one is young and has a loser bf and the last one just paid 10,000 RMB to her bf to break up. All these girls though will come to me for no cost and when I mean free I mean free. No clothes shopping or any of that. They just like to have someone to talk to and to enjoy quality time with someone who cares. I found that the different qualities that each girl has is what I wish I could find in one woman. So each one spends time with me and I get to enjoy different personalities which keeps life interesting. I hate to say it, but just one woman is not enough for any man. Remember that we grow and learn from our experiences which is why humans are so unique.

I still say though that these girls come from a totally different world than we know and if you are not strong and able to control your emotions, don't ask to know their stories because I have seem some people do some pretty extreme things to change a girls life. Remember though, you can't help forever and sometimes that hope you give them will end up hurting them more than helping.

Finally, I think we can all tell the difference between a story and the truth. LIke Pinstar said, genuine feelings you can feel and it is those girls that I think we are after. The ones that to get you to fuck them tell you stories, we have heard enough to be careful.

Just my 2 cents from on the job experience.

Shanghai Jack
09-08-06, 16:25
I have been to the Shanghai Hotel quite a few times.

Some visits have been great and sometimes it was just bad, depending on the girl and her skills + mood.

I am sticking now with one particular girl there (Midy, no. 28) where I know the service is really good.

She is not 100% my type, as she is not so tall, but she has a great body and beautiful long hair - and she speaks English very well.

In my previous posts I said that in most places it is not necessary to speak Chinese.
I still think this is generally true, but you can have more fun if you are able to communicate with your girl.

Especially if you see her more than once, communication helps to build up a 'relationship' that results in better service and more fun.

When I went there the first time, I got a massage, tongue bath, covered BJ, red rope, sex - nothing to complain about.

The second time, it was BBBJ instead of covered and the third time, she started kissing like crazy.

She then started to include one position that makes her come everytime and I can really feel how she enjoys it, as well.

Finally, she asks me if I would also like to CIM, she feels so comfortable with me.
What should I say, I did her the favor.

Meanwhile, we skip all the extras and just have old fashioned sex for one hour until we collapse.

In addition, she has a great sense of humor:

After we were done, she looked at the mess we made and asked me 'You long time no sex, right?'

I asked her what she defines as 'long time'.

--> She said '2 days?'...

And recently I asked her if she can go for one more hour.

She said 'no problem, let's see who stronger!'

--> I lost...

O.K., maybe she is just a very good actor - but to be honest, I don't care ;-)

Anyway, what I am trying to say is that from my point of view it's really worth to have a regular girl, even in a sauna.

But maybe I am just too romantic.

What are your experiences / opinions?

Stay with the same girl or change every time?

Have fun, SJ

Shanghai Noon #2
09-08-06, 16:32
I remember a book I read years ago about how the car dealers have a methodical process for ripping off the customers. The title of the book is called "Don't get Taken Every time by Remar Sutton" I think it is quite apropos for how the women in the P4P industry in China works also.
Every P4P worker has their own tried and true methods for getting the most money out of us. Believe me when I tell you that some of the things I heard will make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up. Since the economic boon of China in recent years it is EXTREMELY rare for anyone in a major city like Shanghai to be in a situation where they don't even have the money for the basic necessities. The only remaining thing that could cause any family to be in a hardship situation is sickness in the family. This is because the medical community in China is very corrupt. It is the accepted norm for surgeons to be given bribes(red packet) to do their jobs correctly. I know that if I have any type of medical issues is to hightail it out of China and go to Thailand.

I know a KTV girl from one of the most well known and expensive KTV in Shanghai who told me her story, let's call her Miss.B. Well, Miss.B is only 21 years old and speaks English quite well because she went to a neighboring country for her College education. Miss.B has a father who has Brain cancer in the early stages. This is a true fact and he stays in a hospital. Well, Miss.B has a friend that hatched up a scam to use her father's illness for getting some sucker to pay them some serious money. This sucker turns out to be a very wealthy middle aged foreign physician that Miss.B's friend knew. Miss.B pretends to be a college student who has to work hard to make money for her father's illness and gets the sucker to pay them 30k(USD). I nearly spit up my coffee(that I was drinking) when I heard the amount they got. Well, the kicker is that she takes her share of the money 15k, and use it to buy expensive handbags and clothes, everything except medical care for her father. In fact she wants her father to get worse probably so she could have a more heart wrenching story for another sucker. What amazes me also was the utter contempt she had for this "benefactor" who has given her so much money. She thinks he is an idiot and rejects any physical advance he makes towards her.

This is only one out of a dozen stories I heard. However, a year ago I was personally offered the opportunity to donate 20k(USD) for a Liver transplant for a Chongqing KTV girl's father. Of course, I declined since I have not taken a "Stupid" pill recently.

Have I been taken before? Sure, if I had to do it over again. I would just stick with the BBS girls and go with the pay per pop plan:-) and leave the "save the fallen/hardship women of China" for another enlightened person.

Pinaster
09-08-06, 18:14
We all hear story all the time. What makes an oscar winner is the one that makes you believe. And every single time, it is adapted from true story. How do you tell the story is true? It is not from what the story is, but how the story is told. And good actors tell the story as if it was him who is experiencing it. And he wins oscar, because it is extremely hard to do so. When I say I believe it is a true story, it is not because how perfect the story is, but how the person tells the story, unless he is an excellent actor.

However, I appreciate you kindly sharing the experience, and the story. We can always use friendly reminder, and should always ask if we are fool ourselves.


I remember a book I read years ago about how the car dealers have a methodical process for ripping off the customers. The title of the book is called "Don't get Taken Every time by Remar Sutton" I think it is quite apropos for how the women in the P4P industry in China works also.
Every P4P worker has their own tried and true methods for getting the most money out of us. Believe me when I tell you that some of the things I heard will make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up. Since the economic boon of China in recent years it is EXTREMELY rare for anyone in a major city like Shanghai to be in a situation where they don't even have the money for the basic necessities. The only remaining thing that could cause any family to be in a hardship situation is sickness in the family. This is because the medical community in China is very corrupt. It is the accepted norm for surgeons to be given bribes(red packet) to do their jobs correctly. I know that if I have any type of medical issues is to hightail it out of China and go to Thailand.

I know a KTV girl from one of the most well known and expensive KTV in Shanghai who told me her story, let's call her Miss.B. Well, Miss.B is only 21 years old and speaks English quite well because she went to a neighboring country for her College education. Miss.B has a father who has Brain cancer in the early stages. This is a true fact and he stays in a hospital. Well, Miss.B has a friend that hatched up a scam to use her father's illness for getting some sucker to pay them some serious money. This sucker turns out to be a very wealthy middle aged foreign physician that Miss.B's friend knew. Miss.B pretends to be a college student who has to work hard to make money for her father's illness and gets the sucker to pay them 30k(USD). I nearly spit up my coffee(that I was drinking) when I heard the amount they got. Well, the kicker is that she takes her share of the money 15k, and use it to buy expensive handbags and clothes, everything except medical care for her father. In fact she wants her father to get worse probably so she could have a more heart wrenching story for another sucker. What amazes me also was the utter contempt she had for this "benefactor" who has given her so much money. She thinks he is an idiot and rejects any physical advance he makes towards her.

This is only one out of a dozen stories I heard. However, a year ago I was personally offered the opportunity to donate 20k(USD) for a Liver transplant for a Chongqing KTV girl's father. Of course, I declined since I have not taken a "Stupid" pill recently.

Have I been taken before? Sure, if I had to do it over again. I would just stick with the BBS girls and go with the pay per pop plan:-) and leave the "save the fallen/hardship women of China" for another enlightened person.

Pinaster
09-08-06, 18:33
Finally, I got over with my emotion, and committed myself to my dick not my heart. In fact, I moved (as weekend is here I don't need the subway anymore) to Shou Wu Li Ya hotel in Wuzhong road 1389 just for the sake of convenience.

I went in the massage place in 3rd floor. No introduction, no price etc. Was led to change clothes (boys looking at you). Taking shower, sit in waiting room. A lady comes in and ask if I wanted massage, and I said what else I would come here for. Then she said ok, the massage, and I asked what kind do they have. She said they have foot massage and massage, and I asked what else did they have, then a little bit strange pause, then I said ok massage.

I was then led to a dark room, a girl is waiting already. Does not seem to me that you can choose. But this lady is not bad looking, and it is pretty late. I asked again what is included and the price. She said it includes everything, price is 8xx before discount 680 after discount.

Then she started massage, but a pretty good talker, sounds nice. Then BBBJ, ice and fire (and mine shrinks once touches the ice), and the real story. The room is a small room without any special equipment. There are handle rails on roof, but my girl did not use them at all. The girl is 23 years old, slim body, ok breast, not bad, but would not recommend either.

There is nothing special to report. Massage is so so. I don't feel particularly relaxed. Sex is so so, just the girl is pretty good at making noises. And we had a little talk to finish up the time. She did not continue the massage after the sex, but rather talked with me, and sent me out right on time. Asked to wait in a room to take a rest, and sent in a Ginger root soup which I don't like. The tea, fruit are free as it seems. At least I know the tea is free.

It is convenient as it is just in hotel, but nothing to write in ISG about. When check out, they gave me 680 price without me asking, but I guess they already knew I live there.

The normal report is not as interesting but my duty to pay back to ISG.

Badboy27
09-08-06, 18:45
After hearing such touching stories you might be tempted to take her for dinner, only to see her ordering a lobster with the most expensive wine on the menu. Listen to her story, hug her and kiss her, even fondle her. Women want nothing more than a sympathetic ear LOL. Though there may be some genuine cases, 95% are nothing but scam.

I recommend unicef for charity. They use every penny properly IMO $1 provides food/wanter to some hungry girl for 1 day.

Badboy27
09-08-06, 19:12
I am in Shanghai and I must say the scene is very disappointing. I don't like BBS and sauna. I prefer no-hastle bars like Maggi's in Beijing. I checked out Bourbon street, Manhatten (both on Tong Ren Lu and Mao), Blue Angel and everything around it. Absolutely sucks. All the bars around Tong ren Lu have women but their goal is to make you buy drinks. That's all. Moreover, very few are good-looking.

One guy in Manhatten suggested going to Windows. It's an interesting place and gets really packed by 2 am. Directions to Windows: When you come out of Manhatten on Tong Ren Lu, go right. Then take first left, then first right and then first left again. You will see Windows on your left. It's about 10 minutes walk from Manhatten. Here you may find pros and freebies both. All ages.

Met 2 French guys outside Windows and with them went to babyface, Armani, Mint, and VIP. Nothing but bunch of drunk teenagers dancing with music so loud that you can feel the sound waves hitting your body. We came back to Windows.

Finally went to a KTV called WOW club. Same old story- tip mama san, tip the girl, tip the cleaner, tip the taxi driver, eat this eat that and listen the girl singing and asking you to sing. Needless to say that the girl will order everything she can on the menu. Bill was 2100 RMB for 2 hours but atleast got one stunning girl from Hunan. Got her number, tipped mama san and exchanged phone number for that 'afternoon massage'. Will see.

Next day went to Pudong international airport by Meglev running at 430 KM/hr and changed my flight back to Beijing asap. Still have 3 more nights in Shanghai. I guess I will be at Windows. Any other ideas welcome.

Phantomtiger2
09-08-06, 22:30
[QUOTE=Shanghai Noon #2]. This sucker turns out to be a very wealthy middle aged foreign physician that Miss.B's friend knew. Miss.B pretends to be a college student who has to work hard to make money for her father's illness and gets the sucker to pay them 30k(USD). I nearly spit up my coffee(that I was drinking) when I heard the amount they got. Well, the kicker is that she takes her share of the money 15k, and use it to buy expensive handbags and clothes, everything except medical care for her father. In fact she wants her father to get worse probably so she could have a more heart wrenching story for another sucker. What amazes me also was the utter contempt she had for this "benefactor" who has given her so much money. She thinks he is an idiot and rejects any physical advance he makes towards her.

QUOTE]

Sucker /Idiot for this guy (doctor?) is saying it mildly. He coughed up 30K US!!!! and didnt even get to F**k the gal?--what did she use as an incentive? I'm surprise this guy even made through Med school as he dont seem all that intelligent. The use of sex on rare occasions will scam me out of a few dollars (yes, sometimes I dont think straight when some cute chick has my dick in her mouth) but being cheated without even having sex is a whole different matter--
-----IMO

PT

Cebu Local
09-09-06, 01:01
What even surprises me some more,Is that he "the stupid doctor"did not get some serious payback to that KTV girl.I have a related case,I am familiar with in Zhuhai.Where a Portugese friend of mine was scammed by a girl out of 50,000 Patacas or roughly 51,000 RMB.He went to our common friend in the Party and the girl after a 10,000 RMB donation to the PSB was arrested and sentenced to 20 years in jail.Her life was finished and another less KTV girl is hardly a loss to China.During the trial,the girl was begging to be his personal sex slave for free for him to drop the charges.Occasionaly you have to hit back to keep these girls on their toes.Even up to now,When he mongers in Zhuhai,They are careful of him because they know he has sent a girl to be a guest of the state for 20 years

A question though for the mongers here with "guangxi",Do you think it is worth pushing back,When you are scammed??I am personally curiose because I have heard Pros and Cons to a rep for hitting back,One Pro being the girls avoid messing with you,The Con being they avoid you out of fear plus the possibility of revenge by the family.I know this is a Shanghai thread,But I know that some mongers here may have some insights on the matter

Eaglestar
09-09-06, 03:40
She came over again night before last and we had another couple of sessions. Batteries on my digi came died so no action shots, just prelim shower stuff.

Any of you contributing senior members in Shanghai that want her AFF (asiafind.com) handle, PM me. Any position you want, maybe anal but I have not tried it, and reasonably good BBBJCIM.

See previous report # 1031 on Aug 28 for more.

ES

Bad Boy Billy
09-09-06, 04:06
I am in Shanghai and I must say the scene is very disappointing. I don't like BBS and sauna. I prefer no-hastle bars like Maggi's in Beijing. I checked out Bourbon street, Manhatten (both on Tong Ren Lu and Mao), Blue Angel and everything around it. Absolutely sucks. All the bars around Tong ren Lu have women but their goal is to make you buy drinks. That's all. Moreover, very few are good-looking.

One guy in Manhatten suggested going to Windows. It's an interesting place and gets really packed by 2 am. Directions to Windows: When you come out of Manhatten on Tong Ren Lu, go right. Then take first left, then first right and then first left again. You will see Windows on your left. It's about 10 minutes walk from Manhatten. Here you may find pros and freebies both. All ages.

Met 2 French guys outside Windows and with them went to babyface, Armani, Mint, and VIP. Nothing but bunch of drunk teenagers dancing with music so loud that you can feel the sound waves hitting your body. We came back to Windows.

Finally went to a KTV called WOW club. Same old story- tip mama san, tip the girl, tip the cleaner, tip the taxi driver, eat this eat that and listen the girl singing and asking you to sing. Needless to say that the girl will order everything she can on the menu. Bill was 2100 RMB for 2 hours but atleast got one stunning girl from Hunan. Got her number, tipped mama san and exchanged phone number for that 'afternoon massage'. Will see.

Next day went to Pudong international airport by Meglev running at 430 KM/hr and changed my flight back to Beijing asap. Still have 3 more nights in Shanghai. I guess I will be at Windows. Any other ideas welcome.

Badboy27

I am a little surprised you did not find something at "Bourbon St".

Did you try "Park 97"?

Did you try Luna, Revolution or Paulaner atXin Tian Di?

There are plenty there mate - keep sorting the wheat from the chaff.

Ace Gallant
09-09-06, 04:32
I am in Shanghai and I must say the scene is very disappointing. I don't like BBS and sauna. I prefer no-hastle bars like Maggi's in Beijing. I checked out Bourbon street, Manhatten (both on Tong Ren Lu and Mao), Blue Angel and everything around it. Absolutely sucks. All the bars around Tong ren Lu have women but their goal is to make you buy drinks. That's all. Moreover, very few are good-looking.

One guy in Manhatten suggested going to Windows. It's an interesting place and gets really packed by 2 am. Directions to Windows: When you come out of Manhatten on Tong Ren Lu, go right. Then take first left, then first right and then first left again. You will see Windows on your left. It's about 10 minutes walk from Manhatten. Here you may find pros and freebies both. All ages.

Met 2 French guys outside Windows and with them went to babyface, Armani, Mint, and VIP. Nothing but bunch of drunk teenagers dancing with music so loud that you can feel the sound waves hitting your body. We came back to Windows.

Finally went to a KTV called WOW club. Same old story- tip mama san, tip the girl, tip the cleaner, tip the taxi driver, eat this eat that and listen the girl singing and asking you to sing. Needless to say that the girl will order everything she can on the menu. Bill was 2100 RMB for 2 hours but atleast got one stunning girl from Hunan. Got her number, tipped mama san and exchanged phone number for that 'afternoon massage'. Will see.

Next day went to Pudong international airport by Meglev running at 430 KM/hr and changed my flight back to Beijing asap. Still have 3 more nights in Shanghai. I guess I will be at Windows. Any other ideas welcome.

Its either you are struck with the worst luck in the world or you are not trying hard enough.

All the places you mentioned are high hit rate places. Although I must agree for a newbie in Tong Ren Lu, the girls will try to scam you as much as possible. However I had my first freebie from Tong Ren Lu on my first trip there. No secret formula or special skills required or lots of money needed to bring a girl home for free. Bourbon street and Park 97, is the place to be for Freebies, Pros, Semi-Pros, and seekers with lonely heart (looking for BF). I lost counts of how many girls (both Pros and Freebies) I had picked up from these places already.

Windows is a cheapstake bar, they sell fake liquor and twice reported before the police had brought two regular pros there in (because of a fights), turn up after some tests that they are both HIV positive. All the girls or local people in Shanghai know that that is a place for Junior local working class or for Cheap Laowais. So if you want to associate yourself as that group of people plus have the risk of been expose to HIV; its your choice.

Enjoy
AG

Ace Gallant
09-09-06, 04:39
What even surprises me some more,Is that he "the stupid doctor"did not get some serious payback to that KTV girl.I have a related case,I am familiar with in Zhuhai.Where a Portugese friend of mine was scammed by a girl out of 50,000 Patacas or roughly 51,000 RMB.He went to our common friend in the Party and the girl after a 10,000 RMB donation to the PSB was arrested and sentenced to 20 years in jail.Her life was finished and another less KTV girl is hardly a loss to China.During the trial,the girl was begging to be his personal sex slave for free for him to drop the charges.Occasionaly you have to hit back to keep these girls on their toes.Even up to now,When he mongers in Zhuhai,They are careful of him because they know he has sent a girl to be a guest of the state for 20 years

A question though for the mongers here with "guangxi",Do you think it is worth pushing back,When you are scammed??I am personally curiose because I have heard Pros and Cons to a rep for hitting back,One Pro being the girls avoid messing with you,The Con being they avoid you out of fear plus the possibility of revenge by the family.I know this is a Shanghai thread,But I know that some mongers here may have some insights on the matter


Word of Advise; South China and North East China are far more dangerous place. The people kill over 100RMB. I should say your friend are lucky for hitting even on a less connected girl. Many girls in this trade are some how connected and they will hit back if they want to.

Shanghai, are very "tame" the people here like to speak loud and argue but they will not go into fights. And will have lower possiblities to hit back. However: more than 10% of the Shanghai population are from the South and more than 3% of the population are from the North East China. So..... it always good to have an escape plan!

Enjoy and play safe.
AG

Dar425
09-09-06, 04:50
Yo Bro's,

This big boy is going to make his 1st visit to Shanghai during Sept 17-19. My plan is to hit some bars, and some BBS. This is a lot of 'B'&'S', which is funny because I'm currently researching for a cure to B.S!

If any of you want to meet up for a beer or show me something that a guy just as to try in Shanghai, let me know. I'd also be interested in getting a little outside of Shanghai to explore some other (hopefully cheaper areas for beer and babes), but don't know if I have quite enough time for that.

Lastly, does anyone have any info about discos/bars in the ZhaBei district of Shanghai? I heard it is mostly local chinese hanging there, but I thought it might be a good place for cheaper drinks; and I guess I like the thrill of going where few blue-eyed beasts have gone before.


Dar

Sebastian My
09-09-06, 05:21
I am sticking now with one particular girl there (Midy, no. 28) where I know the service is really good.

She is not 100% my type, as she is not so tall, but she has a great body and beautiful long hair - and she speaks English very well.

In my previous posts I said that in most places it is not necessary to speak Chinese.
I still think this is generally true, but you can have more fun if you are able to communicate with your girl.

Especially if you see her more than once, communication helps to build up a 'relationship' that results in better service and more fun.

Anyway, what I am trying to say is that from my point of view it's really worth to have a regular girl, even in a sauna.

But maybe I am just too romantic.

What are your experiences / opinions?

Stay with the same girl or change every time?

Have fun, SJ

Totally agree - once you find someone good - stay with her until you get sick of her. Of course the problem may become - how to i get rid of her? I think some girls think you are their boy friend if you do them more than twice.
As for language - also agree. After living in korea where there is zip english and my korean is not very good - it actually got boring after a while. The talking add spice to the whole experience - of course sometimes all you want is a bonk - talking is unnecessary in those cases.

Blacklisted
09-09-06, 09:26
A question though for the mongers here with "guangxi",Do you think it is worth pushing back,When you are scammed??I am personally curiose because I have heard Pros and Cons to a rep for hitting back,One Pro being the girls avoid messing with you,The Con being they avoid you out of fear plus the possibility of revenge by the family.I know this is a Shanghai thread,But I know that some mongers here may have some insights on the matter

Why hit back? If you are stupid enough to get scammed, the only person you should be angry with is the dickhead with too much money!!!

It only shows a greater sense of insecurity and idiocy to want revenge on someone who has outsmarted you.


Cut your losses and chalk it up to experience. Wars only lead to more problems.

I do believe the best revenge is living well. Who gives a fuck about the scum you meet on the road in life, you can just cut them loose and let them drift on to the next sucker.

Santa
09-09-06, 10:52
Why hit back? If you are stupid enough to get scammed, the only person you should be angry with is the dickhead with too much money!!!

It only shows a greater sense of insecurity and idiocy to want revenge on someone who has outsmarted you.


Cut your losses and chalk it up to experience. Wars only lead to more problems.

I do believe the best revenge is living well. Who gives a fuck about the scum you meet on the road in life, you can just cut them loose and let them drift on to the next sucker.

Interesting question and wise reply from two illustrious and lusty gentlemen. Thank you Cebu Local and Blacklisted.

Eaglestar
09-09-06, 18:19
Why hit back? If you are stupid enough to get scammed, the only person you should be angry with is the dickhead with too much money!!!

It only shows a greater sense of insecurity and idiocy to want revenge on someone who has outsmarted you.


Cut your losses and chalk it up to experience. Wars only lead to more problems.

I do believe the best revenge is living well. Who gives a fuck about the scum you meet on the road in life, you can just cut them loose and let them drift on to the next sucker.

Cannot add anything that would improve Blacklisted comments.

Brancaster
09-09-06, 22:51
Checked out the second floor sauna at the Shanghai hotel. The famous 4772 post gives very comprehensive instructions, so all I would add is if you don't want a service, say so. They seem to have got good at assuming all laowai would want the works. I was surprised to find a few members of staff with a functional smattering of English. My total cost was something over 900RMB, but for probably one of the top 3 massage experiences of my flight with a very cute 8 from Hunan province. If you are in town, go.

Another night I was lazy and checked out the sauna in the Holiday Inn downtown. Very quiet was the first warning sign. Part way through a 200RMB oil massage I was offered the 'special massage' for another 1200. Even beer and xiao di di were not strong enough to overcome that sort of price. I declined which brough the oil massage to a conclusion about 3 minutes later. Lesson learnt.

Desi Voyuer
09-10-06, 05:08
Hi,

How does the fact that I don't know any Chinese (not even passable Chinese) affect my ability to communicate with the managers at Saunas? Do they have English Language Menus or English speaking managers etc? Say at Shanghai Hotel, Wisdom, CYLZ, prostrate massage places?

Also, I am not a big fan of FJ. I am a big fan of a great massage and followed by a HJ. And I am staying in the Nanjing Road? Any recommendations on Saunas, etc.

I have read the whole forum (well at least a large portion of it) and I still don't know how to find the more regular saunas which offer nothing more than HJ.

Thanks in advance

Ace Gallant
09-10-06, 10:27
Hi,

How does the fact that I don't know any Chinese (not even passable Chinese) affect my ability to communicate with the managers at Saunas? Do they have English Language Menus or English speaking managers etc? Say at Shanghai Hotel, Wisdom, CYLZ, prostrate massage places?

Also, I am not a big fan of FJ. I am a big fan of a great massage and followed by a HJ. And I am staying in the Nanjing Road? Any recommendations on Saunas, etc.

I have read the whole forum (well at least a large portion of it) and I still don't know how to find the more regular saunas which offer nothing more than HJ.

Thanks in advance

I don't think you read the thread or search the thread well enough.

For English speaking only person:

Prostate Massage :

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=476551&postcount=6025

Full Service (with or without HJ) Sauna :

http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=498684

And for information on Sauna at Shanghai Hotel, there are enough post in the Shanghai thread about it that it does not even qualify for anyone to ask question on whether a non-chinese speaking monger can try that place.

If you are trying to find regular sauna that does not offer extra services (Health Spas) you may be looking at th wrong place. Please read this:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=503341&postcount=1841

For regular massage you can a whole bunch of them if you do a google search "Spa Shanghai". Here's one:

http://www.bundcenter.com/english/BanyanTreeSPA/index.htm

Enjoy
AG

PimpChimp
09-10-06, 16:47
What is the normal price for a REGULAR massage (without tips). I was there and payed 45Y for only footmassage! It was a massage with extra service, but I wanted without!

Nightwing88
09-10-06, 18:04
Hi there. After two years of forced abstinence in the US, Nightwing is back for good in China. Many thanks to all the brothers out there who have contributed to the forum so that I could find my way in town. Special thanks to Sugar Baba and the brothers at the photo gallery who tortured me daily with what I was missing out on while living in the states. Good to see that the spirit of sharing lives on.

So, what did I do? After settling into my place in Pudong, followed the reports on where to monger in Pudong and ended up at Ming Dian Sauna, near the Ba Bai Ban on Zhang Yang Lu and Pudong Nan Dao. Just like the reports said, it is a sauna hidden inside an office building slightly recessed from the street. Walked into the building and was accosted by the elevator man who asked me quite bluntly, "Where you going? ". I responded just as bluntly "To the sauna on the 5th floor", at which point he said nothing and hit the up button. Got to the 5th floor and was impressed by the layout. The lighting was dim and the hallway was dark, but my first impression was that it was a rather clean and comfortable place. I checked in at the desk, they gave me a locker key, and I went inside to take off my clothes. Once again, very nice service. The boys in the room helped to disrobe, and then escorted me into the shower area. I was impressed by the showers and was tempted by the jacuzzi and sauna in the back. However, I quickly showered off, eager to start the festivities.

The boys escorted me into another hallway and brought me to a small room with a couch and a TV and told me to wait there for a little bit while the girls got ready. Girls? This could be interesting! Sat down on the couch and ordered a tea while I flipped the channels on the private TV in the room. I started thinking about how they would do a massage on the couch when someone opens the door and tells me to get out and go to another room to pick. I walk down a long hallway to another room and wow, there's seven girls in skimpy outfits, all beautiful, all smiling at me and all trying to get my attention. A note on these outfits. They were red and black and extremely sexy. I go ahead and pick a young girl from Sichuan province. She leads me to yet another room and then it began.

The service started with a very nice massage on my back, shoulders and legs. Just when I thought nothing was going to happen, she disrobes and starts rubbing my legs, back and shoulders with her breasts. After much oohing and aahing, she switched over to slurping water all over my body. She began to linger more around my bottom, and then I got the most amazing rim job in the world. After about 5 minutes on my backside, she had me get on my hands and knees; then she got on her back and began an amazing blowjob as well. I told her that I didn't want a bare back BJ and she went to get a plastic sandwich bag to place over my pxxxx to suck. I got turned on by that and asked her for another plastic bag so that I could perform DATY on her. She obliged and I had the most amazing time sucking her pxxxx and sticking my fingers into both holes down there. We spent so much time sucking that when it came time to do the deed, I was too eager and came within 5 minutes. Exhausted, we slowed down and she covered me with a towel while she massaged me again.

However, that wasn't all. About 10 minutes into the massage, Junior woke up again, and I asked her if we could do it again. She began to massage my Xiao Didi to full hardness, then proceeded to do a bareback BJ against her breasts. We ended with Xiao Didi in her mouth while I came. After coming twice in one session, I was exhausted and ready to leave. However, she said I had to stay until the full session was over (80 or 90 minutes, I think). So, while she massaged my body, I got her full life story. She grew up in the countryside, went to Shenzhen, got ripped off on a network marketing scam, and needed to make some money. She quickly learned about barbershops and how you could make 50 to 100 RMB on HJ tips from visiting Hong Kong moneys. She did this for a year and claims to have made over 3000 RMB a month on HJs! (I laughed and wondered if these girls could get carpal tunnel from HJs! ). After that, went to Hangzhou, learned the art of full body massage and the life of saunas, then moved to Shanghai this month to work at the sauna. What a life she's led! The session ended, and I left. Cost was 550RMB because I left before 7: 00PM.

Unfortunately, I didn't get the girl's name, number or phone number. However, this is, by far, the nicest sauna I've ever been to in Pudong, and I would highly recommend it. In fact, I did recommend it to my friend who got the two girl option (cost was 950RMB). He also said that it was a mind-blowing experience as well.

So, that's it for my first report since returning to Shanghai. Final thanks to St. Germain. We've PMed each other in the past, and I noticed that two years ago I told you to forget about Pudong. Thanks, Count, for being stubborn and for finding this place. Hope to add to your list very soon!

Nightwing88

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Gualtier Malde
09-11-06, 00:36
Hi,

How does the fact that I don't know any Chinese (not even passable Chinese) affect my ability to communicate with the managers at Saunas? Do they have English Language Menus or English speaking managers etc? Say at Shanghai Hotel, Wisdom, CYLZ, prostrate massage places?

Also, I am not a big fan of FJ. I am a big fan of a great massage and followed by a HJ. And I am staying in the Nanjing Road? Any recommendations on Saunas, etc.

I have read the whole forum (well at least a large portion of it) and I still don't know how to find the more regular saunas which offer nothing more than HJ.

Thanks in advance

I've not found it to be a problem at Shanghai Hotel. You can get away mostly with gestures there anyway. If you follow the detailed directions in post #4772, you'll at least know what's coming next.

If you only want a HJ, probably you should ask for a special foot massage. I'm sure AG or someone can offer up the proper Zhongwei for that. If you get the special foot massage, usually the "special" part is a HJ, not more.

If you are near the Shanghai Hotel, you can go to the foot massage place across the street from the nearby Hilton (very well lit, large and obvious on HuaShan Lu). They do a "special" foot massage, and as far as I know do not offer full service.

David

Wayne Tom
09-11-06, 04:17
Hi guys,

I am a newbie here, but have read a lot of this Shanghai thread and searched up some more. The reports are very informative and quite interesting, so I am grateful for being able to take part in this.

I will be going to Shanghai in the next few days for the first time and will be staying at the Crowne Plaza Fudan (Handan Road). Since I do not know the geography of Shanghai at all, can anybody help me? Is this a GF hotel, or does it have any services provided? How about any good places nearby? I am also looking for higher end girls. Would be grateful if anybody can help.

Thanks!

Wayne

Manatsu
09-11-06, 08:42
Any info on the new Baby Face 2? All pros working or scoring freebies are posibble even? Planning to open a table and couple of bottles get some girls invited over. Hoping not to invite wolfs into my Den haha. Any info appreciated.

And hows the Starbucks and shintiandi? Still loaded with prospects?

St Germain
09-11-06, 08:56
Nightwing,

I'm glad to know you had such a good time at the Ming Dian sauna. In fact, since you had such a great time, I think I'm going to have to delay my search for new places and give the old Ming Dian another visit!

By the way, I also strongly recommend the Hong Meng sauna in the basement of the World Plaza, just down a long hall from the Dongchang Lu subway exit. You can find a full write up of that place in one of my posts not long after the Ming Dian post.

Welcome back to Shanghai!

Count

Dick Tracy
09-11-06, 09:11
Any intel on how GF the Howard Johnson's is on Yan An xi lu? Not mentioned in the forum, at least did not turn up on search.

Thanks!

GlenEagle
09-11-06, 11:09
Any info on the new Baby Face 2? All pros working or scoring freebies are posibble even? Planning to open a table and couple of bottles get some girls invited over. Hoping not to invite wolfs into my Den haha. Any info appreciated. There are only a few regular pros there, most of them are probably a 5. There is always a huge influx of girls after 12.00 to 1.00 am probably, they are the working girls from the KTV. Just a while guess, I noticed that it is always that few pros that are approaching the customers for a drink.

If I am not travelling, I spent at least 2-3 nights a week there and the strike rate for freebie is quite good. There are a lot of girls out there who are just there to have fun and scoring a feebie is quite easy. If you want a good chance of scoring a freebie, try to hang around the bar or get a round/long table with high chairs. Do not go for the sofa seats because you will be distancing yourself away from the playing field.

Even if you know one of the floor managers, you need to book it in advance. Every day, all the tables are fully booked and by 2000 hrs, they will call all their customers who has made booking to confirm their reservation. If you did not receive any calls from them by 2030 hrs, it means that your booking has not been confirmed.

If you do not mind loud music, it is a very good place to have fun, the music is good and and a good place to score freebies. Have fun.

Gleneagle

Henning
09-11-06, 16:47
This weekend I will come to Shanghai, probably staying in the Shanghai City Hotel. Does anybody know this hotel? Is it GF?

If anybody wants to meet for some evening fun or a sauna visit, just drop me a pm.

Unknown One
09-11-06, 18:59
I remember a book I read years ago about how the car dealers have a methodical process for ripping off the customers. The title of the book is called "Don't get Taken Every time by Remar Sutton" I think it is quite apropos for how the women in the P4P industry in China works also.
Every P4P worker has their own tried and true methods for getting the most money out of us. Believe me when I tell you that some of the things I heard will make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up. Since the economic boon of China in recent years it is EXTREMELY rare for anyone in a major city like Shanghai to be in a situation where they don't even have the money for the basic necessities. The only remaining thing that could cause any family to be in a hardship situation is sickness in the family. This is because the medical community in China is very corrupt. It is the accepted norm for surgeons to be given bribes(red packet) to do their jobs correctly. I know that if I have any type of medical issues is to hightail it out of China and go to Thailand.

I know a KTV girl from one of the most well known and expensive KTV in Shanghai who told me her story, let's call her Miss.B. Well, Miss.B is only 21 years old and speaks English quite well because she went to a neighboring country for her College education. Miss.B has a father who has Brain cancer in the early stages. This is a true fact and he stays in a hospital. Well, Miss.B has a friend that hatched up a scam to use her father's illness for getting some sucker to pay them some serious money. This sucker turns out to be a very wealthy middle aged foreign physician that Miss.B's friend knew. Miss.B pretends to be a college student who has to work hard to make money for her father's illness and gets the sucker to pay them 30k(USD). I nearly spit up my coffee(that I was drinking) when I heard the amount they got. Well, the kicker is that she takes her share of the money 15k, and use it to buy expensive handbags and clothes, everything except medical care for her father. In fact she wants her father to get worse probably so she could have a more heart wrenching story for another sucker. What amazes me also was the utter contempt she had for this "benefactor" who has given her so much money. She thinks he is an idiot and rejects any physical advance he makes towards her.

This is only one out of a dozen stories I heard. However, a year ago I was personally offered the opportunity to donate 20k(USD) for a Liver transplant for a Chongqing KTV girl's father. Of course, I declined since I have not taken a "Stupid" pill recently.

Have I been taken before? Sure, if I had to do it over again. I would just stick with the BBS girls and go with the pay per pop plan:-) and leave the "save the fallen/hardship women of China" for another enlightened person.

I know this does not answer the general question, but as for this type of story, I have but one point to focus on, since when has surgery in China gone up to 30K USD? I knew someone from the States who was looking into kidney transplants at Rui Jin Hospital in Shanghai (a supposedly renowned hospital for its transplants), and the cost was something like 8-10K USD. Would the amount itself be a tip off to a rip off? Besides, rule of thumb on charity work even back in the States boys, make sure you know where your money goes. Dont give the girl the money, if you really want to help, offer to take her dad to the hospital and pay the hospital for the surgery. Besides, if she is genuine about it, she might be so grateful to you that she'd fuck you for weeks while this whole thing is going down.
Also same rule applies to street beggars. The mangled kids on the streets wont get to keep the cash because they got a street boss they have to fork it over to or get beaten, but if you give them a big mac, they will eat it quite happily.

Unknown One
09-11-06, 19:18
I know the will be dismissed as a gullible young (although I am 30 already) good hearted guy deceived by the professionals. Given this, I do feel wanted to help this girl. She never even hinted she wanted help however, I would have to say upfront. In fact she is very happy, which is why I wanted to help. I had no idea my mongering trip to shanghai brings me to such a lesson of life

I do want to help, of course not in a crazy way. I set aside a grand for this trip, and I don't feel lost anything if I could somehow use this to help her.

End of story. And supprisingly taught me a lession of life.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

So this is the story that has gotten the Shanghai thread buzzing the last few days. I just finished reading it. Smells like teen spirit.... I must agree with most of the people on the board, same Harry Hardluck and Sally Sobstory I have heard from other pros before. I have a habit of talking to my girls instead of fuck-n-go and this story has popped up many times but with variations. The first law of physics call for an equal reaction to an action, and this type of story usually comes out from the girls I tip extra. Perhaps she feels like she can connect with me, perhaps she feels like this fool and his gold are easier parted...
My advice for our buddy here, he seems like a romantic (which isnt a bad thing!), but perhaps searching for pros is not ideal for him.... find a girlfriend instead.

Henning
09-11-06, 21:05
I will be in Shanghai this weekend and open for a meeting with fellow forum members to have some fun - maybe a Sauna in the afternoon and some hunting in the evening.

If somebody is interested just pm me.

Another question on the hotel: I am thinking of Shanghai City Hotel - is it good and GF?

Gaolei
09-12-06, 00:17
I got a small room at the City Hotel for 740rmb. The beds were so small I could not sleep. I changed to the new Grand Pacific LBO, a serviced apartment, for the same price I got 2 rooms, one with a desk and seating and a second with a king bed. The LBO rents the top floors (there are actually 3 hotels in this building). There are no GF problems, because you really check in at 2905, so the lobby people really have no control over you.


The hotel is on the corner of Shanxi Bei and Nanjing Xi lu in the golden eagle building. Prime location!

Hardball1126
09-12-06, 01:31
Can anyone recommend a nice hotel near Pudong airport and close to good ktv's or saunas?

Pinaster
09-12-06, 04:27
I have come back to US. story has many interpretations, and I don't want to argue about any of them. I do appreciate the kind reminder of fellow ISG members, although I had no intention to do anything crazy. I just wanted to finish up with the ending of the story. As Dragon D said, it is a story that had changed how I see the life at least in some aspects. I am not saying whatever I heard was the truth, but at least I am faithfully telling here what happened to me

Aftering the first long night talk with the girl, when I wrote the first part of the story. I invited the girl to come over any night when I was in shanghai (which was until yesterday), and said I would pretty much pay whatever she asked (of course being reasonable). I also offered to take her around shanghai for fun during the weekend at my cost, at the same time paying her any reaonable amount she would accpet. She gladly accepted the offer, but said she had to ask for vacation from her boss. The next day, she said her boss won't allow vacation, and said sorry. Her boss would control every minute of her time, and she does not have any personal time unless in period, and being tired is not an excuse when customer comes. I told her it was ok, and I still wanted her to come over during nights. She only came the last two nights I was in shanghai (the weekends), asked me to pay the same amount of the first night, which was 1500rmb.

When she came in the two nights, she brought some fruits, she would just talk to me for about 3 hours (she came at about 11:30pm), about everything in her life, in the past or at present (but she seldom talked about her debt anymore), happy stories and sad stories, a bit here, a bit there as her memory jumped around, then we would do the action, and she would still talk for about an hour until we both were exhausted and felt to sleep at like 4:30-5 am. She would got up next morning at 8:30 and leave, saying she has to deposit money to her boss's account before 9:30am. She told me she would go back after half year, hopefully can have by then enough to pay back the debt and use the rest to open a skin care shop in her small town (and one can image how rich her boss would be, having more than a dozen of girls, pretty much richer than anyone who has ever heard of ISG). and we even had chat about how feasible that was, how to attract customers. I told her that she was intellegent, warm-hearted, and pretty, if she only had opportunity, she would live a much better life. Her first reaction was if she becomes successful, she would have problem with her husband, if that was the case, she would rather just live a modest life happily with her husband and daughter.

In both nights, I asked what I could do to help her (and by now, she would obviously see I am not tight on money), she said there was nothing I could help, and she did not want any help from me. She said she was happy talking to me. She only asked me to show her how to use the QQ and posting pictures online, as I told her her boss was lying saying it costs 10k rmb a month to get online (they attract customers mostly online). After I had left for airport, she sent a text message, thanking me for extra 100 I gave her (she did not count the money when she left my place), which I replied was to pay for her taxi ride to my hotel.

In the last text message she sent to me, after I have left for airport, she said she wanted to thank me, and she did not know if we could meet again in the future, but she hoped so, and hoping next time, we could be as pure friends but not as present "situation". I need to say here that I told her the first night I did not even know if I would be able to come back anytime soon.

this concluded my mongering trip to Shanghai, and what happened was totally beyond my expectation.

I also paid a visit to the famous shanghai hotel. I would have to say, the service is superior. catering for the customer in every detailed ways, and skills are excellent. They pretty much assuming everyone visiting there is for the sex, and you don't really need to ask. I chose number 68, a little fat, but very enjoyable experience. the red rope thing is just amazing, if you haven't seen it, you got to see it. such a personal private performance itself is well worth the cost. I paid 650 RMB in the afternoon, for an hour of action.

Still, God created both heart and dick in us, and I am thankful that he did so.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Wolf
09-12-06, 04:57
Hi All,

It seems that the Skyway Sauna closed definitely in the course of the last 2 weeks.
Has anybody some insider information here ?
Is the competition to rough or the police to etchy ?

Enjoy

Wolf

Santa
09-12-06, 05:28
So this is the story that has gotten the Shanghai thread buzzing the last few days. I just finished reading it. Smells like teen spirit.... I must agree with most of the people on the board, same Harry Hardluck and Sally Sobstory I have heard from other pros before. I have a habit of talking to my girls instead of fuck-n-go and this story has popped up many times but with variations. The first law of physics call for an equal reaction to an action, and this type of story usually comes out from the girls I tip extra. Perhaps she feels like she can connect with me, perhaps she feels like this fool and his gold are easier parted...
My advice for our buddy here, he seems like a romantic (which isnt a bad thing!), but perhaps searching for pros is not ideal for him.... find a girlfriend instead.

Hi Member #1346.

So, you know Sally Sobstory? I know her twin sister, Suck'em Silly Sally. She really loves suckers! :D

Is that the same girl?

Ace Gallant
09-12-06, 20:30
Hi All,

It seems that the Skyway Sauna closed definitely in the course of the last 2 weeks.
Has anybody some insider information here ?
Is the competition to rough or the police to etchy ?

Enjoy

Wolf

Are you talking about Skyline or Skyway?

AG

Guy I
09-12-06, 20:34
I visited this place today and it was fun. Definitely a soapland experience. Had number 56 (tallest girl in the place) but she would not do BBBJ (same for the girl that my colleague had #99). Maybe a new rule or just bad luck. Same price and experience otherwise as quoted below.

I took a card so here is the phone number: 62673806


Even more than the various Saunas in Shanghai I like a particular 'Soapland-style' place in Puxi. The Chinese name is 'Ji Yuan Hui Suo' and it is at the intersection of 'Jiao Zhou' Lu and 'Chang Ping' Lu. Jiao Zhou road starts behind the Jing An temple and after 5 minutes taxi ride you cross Chang Ping road. Get out here, it is the corner building on the left side. It should be no problem to find it. The taxi drivers always smile at me in this special way when I show the card to them...

Upstairs at the reception, you get your key and there is nothing to discuss.
They speak only a little English but it really does not matter at all. As it is a Soapland, you do not take a shower but simply change to the usual pyjama. Then they bring you to a waiting room, if you come with larger parties you get your private room.

Waiting times can be pretty long - up to 1,5 hours - especially if you come on a weekday between 8 and 11 pm. Therefore, better go between 3 to 7 pm on a weekday or on the weekends where you normally just walk through and have the place for yourself.

When it is your turn, they bring you to a room and show you the line up.
If the place is not busy, you might have more than 20 girls to choose from and this is a really really difficult task as almost all of them are fantastic. I always prefer the tall slim ones and my favorite girls are number 5 and number 82, but the others are also great. As the place is focused on serving Japanese clients, the girls are all very pretty, friendly, clean, and have a great service attitude.

The girl of your choice will guide you to a room with a massage bed and shower facilities. In the shower, there is another bed and the girl will start by showering and massaging you gently. Then, you can relax on the bed while she lubes herself up with soap and starts sliding all over you using the different parts of her body to stimulate you. Quite nice to get you started and after another quick shower you advance to the next level which is the 'normal' massage bed.

Your girl will continue with a tongue bath, but it is definitely one of the better ones and normally they are very dedicated to really clean every inch of your body. Then she would normally open up her suitcase and present you a couple of 'torture instruments' but I usually skip this routine.

They always look a bit disappointed when I reject this service but I really donít feel comfortable with this stuff in my rear, sorry.

Anyway you only have one hour and to be honest all this washing, licking, rimming and massaging can sometimes be just too time consuming.

But there is always the option to skip all of this and go straight to the action - I usually do this when I come to see a girl for the second or third time and I am happy with her service.

Well, then it is usually time for Fire and Ice BBBJ and good old sex in various positions. Everything very passionate and no 'routine mechanics'. Some of them finish you off with BBBJ and CIM if you like, some don't - it all depends on the situation and how you 'click' with the girl.

Usually, there is not much time left to smoke or talk afterwards, but if you don't speak Chinese there is nothing to miss anyway.

After the fun is over, you can return to your room and get a foot massage, but I usually won't and simply leave.

Price for one hour: 760 RMB - I did not try anything else and I don't know what other 'packages' are available.

If I compare this place to saunas like the Shanghai Hotel, I really prefer this one as the line up and the service attitude is usually much better. I recommend to try the showering experience at least once but then you might want to consider to skip the extras and go for the real thing immediately.

Have fun, SJ

Guy I
09-12-06, 20:37
My Chinese colleague and I tried to go to the Shanghai Hotel. I am quite sure we were at the right place. Went up to the health center on 2nd floor and were told there is no special service??? It was very crowded there. We asked repeatedly but no luck.

Anyone else ever have this experience?

After that we went to New Wave Sauna but my buddy didn't like all those attendants lingering about so we finally went to the Soapland (see previous post).

Cheers!

Gualtier Malde
09-12-06, 22:45
My Chinese colleague and I tried to go to the Shanghai Hotel. I am quite sure we were at the right place. Went up to the health center on 2nd floor and were told there is no special service??? It was very crowded there. We asked repeatedly but no luck.

Anyone else ever have this experience?

After that we went to New Wave Sauna but my buddy didn't like all those attendants lingering about so we finally went to the Soapland (see previous post).

Cheers!

Did you ask at the desk for "Special Service"? I think you would have been fine just picking the 650/750RMB service. I'm not sure they would *tell* you they have special service, especially with a crowd milling around.

David

Wolf
09-13-06, 02:02
Are you talking about Skyline or Skyway?

AG


Yes , Talking about Skyline. Sorry for the mistake.

Unknown One
09-13-06, 17:40
Hi Member #1346.

So, you know Sally Sobstory? I know her twin sister, Suck'em Silly Sally. She really loves suckers! :D

Is that the same girl?

Oh yeah, well Sally Sobstory is the quiet one, her sister Suck'em Sally is more vivacious. She is friends with Bang'er Betty and Fuck'me Ferrah.

1346

Guy I
09-13-06, 18:34
Did you ask at the desk for "Special Service"? I think you would have been fine just picking the 650/750RMB service. I'm not sure they would *tell* you they have special service, especially with a crowd milling around.

David

Yes, we asked the front desk - that might have been our mistake. I will try again next time I am in SH and just take the high-priced option.

Thanks!

Santa
09-13-06, 19:25
Oh yeah, well Sally Sobstory is the quiet one, her sister Suck'em Sally is more vivacious. She is friends with Bang'er Betty and Fuck'me Ferrah.

1346

Yes, I know them. They hang outside Shanghai Sally's with Sidewalk Susie and Madam Tornsheets. Small world!

They are always looking out for Sucker Sid. :D

His real name is Mr Sidney Sucker.

Ace Gallant
09-13-06, 21:43
First of all, its great to host one of the Chief monger Old Asia Hand who was in town for a couple of days especially today in which we really appreciate him in coming out with us even though he has a freebie back in his hotel!!!!

Today few of the Gang took him out to th village. There were nothing good that is new there. However we had noticed the owners of the BBS are now so sensitive to Police patroling the area. There was this incident where our group were viewing girls in front of the BBS when suddently the owner came and pulled and shut the shutter right in front of our face! At first we thought that he is racist and did not wants this group of couple of Laowais picking any one of the girls when as we turned around, we notice that there was this Police Patrol car that had just drove past. Before the patrol car past couple of BBS up the street, we noticed that those BBS are doing the same thing in closing up their shops but as the Patrol passes, their re-opened like magic!

The Village is more or less dead! We counted, it do not has 20 - 30 BBS like before. Only less than 10 in total.

Ended up, only Blacklisted is the only guy who settle onto one of the girls in one from the far side BBS. The less of us decided to Bail. Of course OAH choose to be back in his Hotel where his freebie is wet and waiting!

It was a bad evening and great disappointment at the village.
AG

Ace Gallant
09-13-06, 21:55
After "dumping" Blacklisted at the BBS. I headed back to TRL bars and settled into Xtasea bar in which one of my freebie is working.

There are a couple of customer with the girls on their lap. After a while, my daring broke a bad news to me; tomorrow a few of them are going for their medical and blood test. Been curious, I asked it is a regulation of the authorities for working girls in bars and why so suddent? She "secretly told me that one of the girl (can't mention name) had bareback with one of the customer 2 months ago and became pregnant. What scary part is, from the results of the her check showed that she had more than just pregnancy to deal with! HIV was also found in her blood. She was than reported to the authorities and than issued a order for all of the girls in that bar to have their blood test as well!

I am hearing this from my daring and is also verifying the acuracy of the information. Could it be that my daring is trying to "frame" this girl or is it real info.

My advise: Avoid this bar for the time been or at least avoid kissing or picking up girl from this bar until we get the clearance. (remember; even covered sex is not 100% safe, you might kiss her and happens to have bad cuts in your gums and she happens to have bad gum as well.)

AG

Diver98
09-14-06, 02:49
Now, I would just stop, and wait for judgement from your guys. Well it might be she tricked me into my heart, but I don't think I am so naive to trick, nor she could make up that three hours story, and talked in such high spirit way.

I do want to help, of course not in a crazy way. I set aside a grand for this trip, and I don't feel lost anything if I could somehow use this to help her.

End of story. And supprisingly taught me a lession of life.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
A great description, and I have no doubt the girl was sincere. Yet, the cynical and realistic me says that her perspective will change after a year or two, and after more than a couple of years it will be very dificult for her to return to a normal life. I wish it weren't so, but it probably will be...

Pinaster
09-14-06, 02:58
Yes, we asked the front desk - that might have been our mistake. I will try again next time I am in SH and just take the high-priced option.

Thanks!Tey will never say they have special service. when I lived in another hotel that has FS in downstair massage (a 4 star hotel), and asked if they could send girl to the room, they would only say 150rmb for an hour's normal massage rate, and no special service. I am pretty sure if the girl comes up stairs, it won't be a normal massage.

When I first went to Shanghai Hotel, I did not even ask, just walk directly in, skipped all extra offers, sat in the couch for a while, then led to a room full of girls, picked one, and started it. No one asked me what service I wanted, not even hint. I guess if you are laowai, they assume you wanted sex, if you are chinese, they tell from your altitude. being chinese, I guess I fooled them as a regular although it was the second time I have been to any such places. An old fat american, spoke good chinese, came in with me the same time, and finished up, checked with me at the same time. somehow, I felt it funny. I even wanted to chat with him a little, but figured he might not like it.

Dragon D
09-14-06, 04:53
Well like I have mentioned in previous reports the cops are still cracking down there but they pay enough of them off to keep situations to a bare minumum. I am guessing that after October holiday the cops will get to lazy to check in the winter. Have seen the shutter thing a few times when I was there working but like I have mentioned with the new love hotel across the street there is nothing to worry about. The village is better on Friday nights after 10PM and Sat nights about the same time. In my place there is usually about 15 girls at any given time during the weekend and can always call for more. Recently many girls are staying home though because they are worried about the raids and less contected shop owners have their girls doing the street walker thing at night or having them sit outside the shop with shutters closed. Unless the city police come from downtown with a big bus now, nobody really worries. The local cops are so brain dead they thought I was one of the gate keepers and asked me to open one of the shop gates for him. Another example of the miracles of Chinese education.

Blacklisted
09-14-06, 06:27
After "dumping" Blacklisted at the BBS. I headed back to TRL bars and settled into Xtasea bar in which one of my freebie is working.

AG

yea, thanks for the 'dumping' in the village guys!!! Who needs enemies with friends like these! (just kidding) I was warm and cosy with a very wet pussy on the slightly chubby girl from Jiangsu. She was a bit of a dud root, and I overpayed (200RMB), but sometimes lately I really can't be fucked arguing over 50RMB. Sorry guys.

Yes, overall impressions, not a fan of the village. Too dirty and skanky, leave it to Dragon D's takeout clientele. They can have the skanks at top dollar@@

I think I'll stick with the closer in BBS.

Nice to see you OAH: Hope we can catch up again in Changping one day!

Dragon D
09-14-06, 06:46
Not sure if I would call it skanky.... All depends if you know where to go. PM me and i'll take you guys to a decent place.

Santa
09-14-06, 07:49
Could someone one please explain the new "no crosstalk rule" and the purpose?

Superforce99
09-14-06, 08:06
ATTENTION: This Forum is now operating under the No Crosstalk Rule.

This message will self destruct in 1 hour.

AG


If it IS truly no crosstalking, then this message is referring to AG, whose
message referred to Dragon D, whose message referred to Blacklisted, whose
message referred to AG. So, I guess all this mess would have to be moved to
the PM/Fight Club option, ha ha...

Jackson's purpose, I guess, is to cut down all all the inane commentary/chit-chat
that goes one, particularly in the SH board. Somehow, I don't think it'll work,
especially with all you chatty folks in SH! Ha ha...



J

Blacklisted
09-14-06, 08:38
If it IS truly no crosstalking, then this message is referring to AG, whose
message referred to Dragon D, whose message referred to Blacklisted, whose
message referred to AG. So, I guess all this mess would have to be moved to
the PM/Fight Club option, ha ha...

Jackson's purpose, I guess, is to cut down all all the inane commentary/chit-chat
that goes one, particularly in the SH board. Somehow, I don't think it'll work,
especially with all you chatty folks in SH! Ha ha...



J


Huh, what you mean Johnny, us, chatty?
Never, we only post the good informations. he he he

What a joke.

I thought that was the purpose of ROD? So that the useful information is filtered out of the bullshit????

Oh well. The times thay are a changin!

Unknown One
09-14-06, 10:20
Huh, what you mean Johnny, us, chatty?
Never, we only post the good informations. he he he

What a joke.

I thought that was the purpose of ROD? So that the useful information is filtered out of the bullshit????

Oh well. The times thay are a changin!

Does crosstalk only refer to inflammatory comments or does BL's reply to Johnny count as well? I know sometimes it can get out of control but I kind of like the conversational pieces.... just an extra click if I dont really....

Peter602
09-14-06, 13:32
I am in shanghai at the four seasons would like to go to a nice spa where they ofeer just a hanjob. Not like shanghai hotel where you get the entire service. Want a nice hotel spa with a good massage and a handjob at the end.

Thanks

Peter602
09-14-06, 13:34
Any adivce on upmarket hotels where the in the spas handjobs are offered?

Thanks

Member #3434
09-14-06, 14:17
Gotta say, if you go to the other city threads there are not so many questions about this new cross talk rule. So must be that in the SH thread we are squablling too much amongst our selves.

Santa
09-14-06, 15:41
I know Jackson has always had a rule that "this is an information site and not a chatroom", therefore no chatroom abbreviations allowed.

Personally, I think the site has just the right mix, so I like his excellent site just the way it is.

However, I guess we will have to try to avoid these back and forth conversations, which are sometimes trivial and useless, but often fun, informative and entertaining. Difficult for me since I love reading gossip, disputes and personal attacks. Without them I think the site would become rather dull.

Cabbage
09-14-06, 20:49
Had a drink with some friends at Senses tonight, and probably like everyone who sits near the window, wondered what the story on Count's Club is across the street. Is it an ISG-friendly kind of place? KTV was our best guess. .

Nightwing88
09-15-06, 08:39
Nightwing,

I'm glad to know you had such a good time at the Ming Dian sauna. In fact, since you had such a great time, I think I'm going to have to delay my search for new places and give the old Ming Dian another visit!

By the way, I also strongly recommend the Hong Meng sauna in the basement of the World Plaza, just down a long hall from the Dongchang Lu subway exit. You can find a full write up of that place in one of my posts not long after the Ming Dian post.

Welcome back to Shanghai!

CountSince World Plaza is right nearby the office, stopped by during lunch to check it out. Unfortunately, it opens in the mid-afternoon. So, when I get to check this place out, I'll add the report.

Nightwing

Blackeyes
09-15-06, 09:39
Could anyone tell me the location of the village please.

Thanks

OldAsiaHand
09-15-06, 11:22
First, I want to say that the gang in Shanghai have been great hosts!

We hit "Happy Town" the first night. I was hoping to see different girls, but found that the same Hunan, Hubei, Sichuan dominated the talent similar to what we find down South. We looked at 6-7 shops and the quality was in the 5-7 range. I did one bubbly Hunan girl that looked like one of the guy's brother's girlfriends. Service was slightly above average for BBS. The accommodation was pretty downscale. Nothing special really. Standard damage: 150 RMB.

I tried the BBBJCIM shop next and picked a sweet thing from Nanjing. She pulled up her shirt and pulled down her pants for easy access to roaming hands and fingers. She had to work hard since I had just popped less than 10 minutes before. I reckon it took her over 20 minutes of non-stop sucking. She actually thought I popped once and started to clean me up, but I set her straight and she started again. I wish we had these kinds of places in S. China. Great value for 100 RMB.

AG was getting his toenails done so we left him at it and went to pick-up Cap Iota from another BBBJCIM shop. Not interested in another BBBJ, we headed to "The Apartment Shop". I liked this operation. The quality of talent was better than I saw in Happy Town and The Village. I wanted to do this CQ girl with a big rack, but decided to wait for another day since I had an early morning the next day.

OAH

OldAsiaHand
09-15-06, 11:38
I have great luck at trade shows. I was sitting in one booth and struck up a conversation with a girl sitting on the sofa across from me. Turns out she works for another factory from Beijing that I know. Exchanged cards and went on my way. After the fair, I saw her waiting in the bus line and invited her for dinner. I told her I had a headache and needed to stop at my hotel to get some medicine first. She came up to the room and I laid down on the bed to rest a bit. She came over to massage my headache away and the rest is history.

AG calls me and invites me to TGL and "The Village". It was my only opportunity to hook-up with Blacklisted so I could not refuse. Since I promised the freebie dinner, she ordered Room Service and decided to wait for me in the room since she was staying with 2 other girls from the factory in some flea bag hotel. I met the boys at Annies and off we went to "The Village". I was not that impressed with the quality and did not see anything that jumped out at me, albeit I had just had one pop from the freebie and she was still keeping my bed warm. It may be just my sense, but I felt this area was not as laowai friendly as Happy Town.

OAH

OldAsiaHand
09-15-06, 11:57
The freebie is getting clingy already. After going home to change her clothes, she comes back looking for me at the fair. I take her and her friend to lunch and she invites to her place afterwards.

I had agreed to meet Cap Shanghai after my business dinner to go back to "The Apartment". I wanted to do that CQ girl. Just as I get into the taxi, the freebie calls and wants to come over. I told her to wait an hour so I would have time to get over and back. She is already jealous and Cap Shanghai assures her that he is not a girlfriend. Little did she know. The CQ girl turned out to be from a small town in Zhejiang. Service was just OK. but she had a gorgeous rack with with small pink nipples which I enjoyed munching on. The accomodation a bit cleaner than Happy Town. The damage: 150 RMB.

I dropped Cap Shanghai off at the BBBJCIM shop and headed back to the hotel to spend the night with the freebie again. I had a bit of trouble getting into it with her this time. She is 37 and when compared with the 19 yo, hard body, tight pussy I'd just done, I had trouble keeping my interest up. She has called and texted me several times today, but I am avoiding her. The conquest is over and reality has set in. Thinking rationally now, she is only a 4-5. It was an ego boost, nothing else.

OAH

Asian MP Lover
09-15-06, 12:38
I am in shanghai at the four seasons would like to go to a nice spa where they ofeer just a hanjob. Not like shanghai hotel where you get the entire service. Want a nice hotel spa with a good massage and a handjob at the end.

ThanksVIP foot-massage at Da Tang Yu Jing. See my post: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=433464#post433464http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=433464#post433464

Address stated in other forum postings.

Ace Gallant
09-15-06, 16:43
Its kind of interesting,

I am sitting here in Anny's Bar on Friday night posting on ISG with Ex=king of Shanghai = Blankie, King of South China = Old Asia Hand and King of Beijing = Mock A Bee...... hahahaha ... what the fuck am I doing?????

Just for infro....... my previous post about xtasea at TRL was verified to be true....so decided to move the Gang hideout to Anny's bar for safety purpose.

AG

Ace Gallant
09-16-06, 00:38
OAH, Blankie, Mock A Bee and I made a trip at the Z.... Pub;

The new renovated pub looks good but kind of different from the cosy enviroment from before.

Several girls from before are still there, with some additional new girls.

The price as reported by some fellow members was 300 HJ/BJ and 400 FS adjusted from 350 / 500 as before.

As we had no interest from the girls, we left after a beer. However we went to check out another place and there was no girls available. I headed back to TRL while the trio headed back to the Pub.

AG

Blackeyes
09-16-06, 01:26
I would appreciate it if someone could enlighten me as to the location of The Village and Happy Town in Shanghai. Thanks for sharing information.

Mock A Bee
09-16-06, 06:42
Had a drink with some friends at Senses tonight, and probably like everyone who sits near the window, wondered what the story on Count's Club is across the street. Is it an ISG-friendly kind of place? KTV was our best guess. .

Well, I think it is time to start posting a bit again. After not posting since January 2006, and hanging out with the gang, I will get back to contributing again.

The Count's Club across the street from Senses Wine Bar is indeed a KTV. If you have a drink at Senses between 7pm and 8pm you can entertain yourself by watching the parade of ktv girls checking in for work. Call it cheap thrills for the price of a drink if you will.

I have never been inside, but it looks like they have decent looking girls. Of course you will need much closer inspection to decide!

OAH, Blxxxie, AG and the rest of the regular Shanghai gang have been at it again, looking for trouble like usual.

Cheers, MAB

Dovetail
09-16-06, 12:55
I would appreciate it if someone could enlighten me as to the location of The Village and Happy Town in Shanghai. Thanks for sharing information.

It is on Wuzhohg Road toward the outskirt of town. Coming from the city on Wuzhong Rd, you will pass Hong Xu Rd and keep on going till you get to the intersection with A-20 freeway and continue on Wuzhong Rd for another block or so. Turn right when you see the "arch" of civilization. Several BBS on Wuzhong Rd before hitting A-20 also offer FS, but they normally charge RMB200, but not need to worry about the raid. Also, some of them have better condition than Da Village. Hope this helps.

Popp Master
09-16-06, 13:22
My friend and I will be travelling to Shanghai next month for business reason. We will stay in Mariott in Hongqiao.

Is there any nice place in that region for mongering? We are looking for some decent girls to bring them back into our hotel? What is the usual price for one pop and whole night in Shanghai?

Thank you very much.

OldAsiaHand
09-16-06, 16:24
I went for a Shanghai local girl. 300 RMB for BBBJ is a bit pricey for me, but decided to go for it anyway since I had read previous posts about this place on the forum. I was not disappointed.

The girl comes in with a glass of hot water and the wipes. Strips down completely and proceeds to take off my clothes. Cleans me up and starts licking my balls and moves her way up. Her technique was just the way I like it. She asked me a couple of times if I wanted FS. I stretched the BBBJ out as long as I could playing with her tits and pussy before CIMWS. She cleaned me up and sent me on my way.

IMHO, it was definitely worth the money.

OAH





OAH, Blankie, Mock A Bee and I made a trip at the Z.... Pub;

The new renovated pub looks good but kind of different from the cosy enviroment from before.

Several girls from before are still there, with some additional new girls.

The price as reported by some fellow members was 300 HJ/BJ and 400 FS adjusted from 350 / 500 as before.

As we had no interest from the girls, we left after a beer. However we went to check out another place and there was no girls available. I headed back to TRL while the trio headed back to the Pub.

AG

Blacklisted
09-16-06, 17:21
I would appreciate it if someone could enlighten me as to the location of The Village and Happy Town in Shanghai. Thanks for sharing information.


Happy town is just a small row of BBS out on Lianhua Lu. Nothing greatly of interest. The village, you can find out about on many previous posts if you search 'village' on this thread. Again, pretty uninteresting, filthy and with a less than pleasant general 'feel' about the place.

Ace Gallant
09-16-06, 22:22
My friend and I will be travelling to Shanghai next month for business reason. We will stay in Mariott in Hongqiao.

Is there any nice place in that region for mongering? We are looking for some decent girls to bring them back into our hotel? What is the usual price for one pop and whole night in Shanghai?

Thank you very much.

RTFF for The Village, its 10mins by Taxi from HongQiao Marriot. There are also KTV across the road from Carrafour Gubei (Hongqiao) 5 mins by taxi from your hotel.

AG

Ace Gallant
09-17-06, 05:39
I am just posting to get some opinions:

Introduction:

There is this Foot Massage girl that I had been seeing at this Korean Foot Massage place in the last 2 months, (member "Wooo", "Round Two" and "Blacklisted" like to know who I am talking about). She is a pure foot Massage girl and does not give HJ or any of that sort. Sweet and young looking she was is 19 years old virgin. Although I am looking for a wife; I intitally had ruled her out mainly because I found her to young. However after many advise and encouragement from member of the Gang; especially Round Two, I decide to date her for a start.

The Girl:

She is a very nice girl with sweet smile enough to melt anyone's heart. However been a very decent girl, she does not goes out with any customer and spent all of her off days working. Her goal is the make enough money and return home next year to start some small business in her home town Henan.

The Work:

How I worked on her: I visit her for foot and body massage every night as long as I am in town (as my apartment was 10 mins walking distance to her massage place.) Everytime after the massage I would tip her 100 kuai extra. (of course some of you guys will call me stupid or spolit the market because teh foot and body massage is only 98 Kuai!) Finally I managed to date her out during the day after one week of contiuous visit. during one of the lunch date, I noticed that she was looking over the cell phone counter and ask if she needed a cell phone. She told me that she couldn't afford it and so I offered her to buy her one in which she declined saying that she want to buy it for herself.

The negotiations:

Finally on her birthday last month, I bought her a cellphone as a birthday gift. She at first refused but later excepted it and to my surprise her whole relationship with me had changed. During those previous lunch dates it was more of a friend / friend relationship and now it became GF/ BF relationship. The following day she called me on her cell asking me if she can visit me at home and "discuss" something. Sensing what could be coming my way (I thought she would give me some cock and bull story that her family needs money etc), I met her outside and brought her to my apartment. While laying down on my bed, I hinted to her on speaking out what she wanted but to my surprised, she just closed her eyes and said: "Let do the BF/GF thing" At this point, I convience myself that she is definitely not a virgin and not as what she said; she do not have BF.

I took her in my arms, kissed her and put her back on my bed. She than said; "I thought you are suppose to take off my clothes?" Not wanting to hurt her or commiting to her I reconfirmed; "You are really sure about this? I like you very much but to be frank I am not sure you are the right girl I should marry in the future... besides; you said that you are a virgin so I think its better for me to keep you that way till we are more firm on our relationship. Dating you and giving you things is not asking for an commitment. You do not have to return with this." She said: "Don't talk so much, this is something that I wanted to do with you, I like you very much!"

The Act:

With this consent, I undress her and did her. God! that's when I found that I was wrong! She is a virgin! Every inch of her is a virgin. She bleed a little. After the whole deed is over she asked me; will it be that painful everytime?

The Question:

After the session she left and went back to her shop without asking for anything more. I see her a 2 times after, for body and foot massage after that day. Due to my monthly trip out of town, I promise to see her when I return.

I returned 1 week after and went to see her again. Too my surprise again; our relationship had changed back to Friend / Friend relationship again. During my body massage session in the room. She told me : "I think it is better that we remain as a friend, I thank you very much for all your kindness and your friendship but after some thoughts I don't think I am the right girl for you." After asking her why; she finally told me that she got to know this Boy at the internet cafe; 2 months ago, about the same time as she knows me, of course this boy is much younger. However their dating are only meeting in Internet Cafe and had not gone any further. She said that she did not go any further with him because she was dating me. However after some very careful thoughts while I was away, she decided that the other boy would be a better match for her and I deserve someone better than her.

I was pretty bad to ask her questions like: "Did he fuck you really?" and the answer was: "Nooo.... you are the first and only time I had sex! Not even now... even if he want to, I will ask him to wait till I get married! But I am not ready to get married!"

Now this is the question:

What is the catch? Why would she give me her first time and than turn away to go to another guy???? I done a number of virgins in my life before, based on my experience, all of them just simply stick to you like Super Glue! Why is this girl so liberal? Especially I knew that she comes from a very old fashion backwards village hometown. Of course I know here, that I somehow lost her love to this other guy; which I don't care much, but it makes me felt even more guilty for taking her first time. I told her that its her choice but I felt very sorry for doing it to her, we are still good friends, I will still see her for foot massage and if there is anything she need help on she can ask me freely. She than replied: "Yes she will but thanks me very much for making her to be a real women!" (Whatever that means?)

Till now I am still puzzled over this.

AG

Popp Master
09-17-06, 07:37
RTFF for The Village, its 10mins by Taxi from HongQiao Marriot. There are also KTV across the road from Carrafour Gubei (Hongqiao) 5 mins by taxi from your hotel.

AGIs Village a disco,a massage palour or a bar?

Dragon D
09-17-06, 08:03
Well AG, you got lucky and the famous lines worked like a charm but it sounds like she has someone behind her giving her opposite advice. These young web bar chaps are usually scammers that take these nice girls they meet straight the local BBS and have the girls make them a comfy living. If you care for her, then just keep talking to her and make her see some sense. For example I met this stunner at a BBS and then one day saw her BF, my god, scum of the earth isn't low enough to descibe this thing. The Chinese proverb a fresh flower stuck into a pile of sh*t was my first thought. From my point of view I believe in trying to educate as well as enjoy myself because if we who are educated and been around the block enough times don't help them see how things should be, who will?

PS: Some girls are just twisted in the head and have no clue what they are doing until they have done it. Another possibility.

GlenEagle
09-17-06, 09:14
AG,

Sorry, I am not a Senior member but just to drop a comment if you don't mind.

Firstly, I concur totally with Dragon's comments, there are many of these scammers that work on these simple minded girls and eventually get them to make money for them. I think it might be good to keep track on her development and guide her back to the right path if she has been misled.

I think the reason why she has given her first time to you is because in her whole life up to the time she met you, no one has treated her so well and you have been so thoughtful to choose the gift that she has been eyeing for a long time as a birthday present for her. Both the thought and the gift means a lot to her, hence she felt that it is the best way to return your kindness. It could also be at that moment of time, she really want to develop further with you until she spent more time with this guy and has second thought about it.

Just my POV.

Gleneagle

Unknown One
09-17-06, 11:08
I am just posting to get some opinions:

Introduction:

There is this Foot Massage girl that I had been seeing at this Korean Foot Massage place in the last 2 months, (member "Wooo", "Round Two" and "Blacklisted" like to know who I am talking about). She is a pure foot Massage girl and does not give HJ or any of that sort. Sweet and young looking she was is 19 years old virgin. Although I am looking for a wife; I intitally had ruled her out mainly because I found her to young. However after many advise and encouragement from member of the Gang; especially Round Two, I decide to date her for a start.

The Girl:

She is a very nice girl with sweet smile enough to melt anyone's heart. However been a very decent girl, she does not goes out with any customer and spent all of her off days working. Her goal is the make enough money and return home next year to start some small business in her home town Henan.

The Work:

How I worked on her: I visit her for foot and body massage every night as long as I am in town (as my apartment was 10 mins walking distance to her massage place.) Everytime after the massage I would tip her 100 kuai extra. (of course some of you guys will call me stupid or spolit the market because teh foot and body massage is only 98 Kuai!) Finally I managed to date her out during the day after one week of contiuous visit. during one of the lunch date, I noticed that she was looking over the cell phone counter and ask if she needed a cell phone. She told me that she couldn't afford it and so I offered her to buy her one in which she declined saying that she want to buy it for herself.

The negotiations:

Finally on her birthday last month, I bought her a cellphone as a birthday gift. She at first refused but later excepted it and to my surprise her whole relationship with me had changed. During those previous lunch dates it was more of a friend / friend relationship and now it became GF/ BF relationship. The following day she called me on her cell asking me if she can visit me at home and "discuss" something. Sensing what could be coming my way (I thought she would give me some cock and bull story that her family needs money etc), I met her outside and brought her to my apartment. While laying down on my bed, I hinted to her on speaking out what she wanted but to my surprised, she just closed her eyes and said: "Let do the BF/GF thing" At this point, I convience myself that she is definitely not a virgin and not as what she said; she do not have BF.

I took her in my arms, kissed her and put her back on my bed. She than said; "I thought you are suppose to take off my clothes?" Not wanting to hurt her or commiting to her I reconfirmed; "You are really sure about this? I like you very much but to be frank I am not sure you are the right girl I should marry in the future... besides; you said that you are a virgin so I think its better for me to keep you that way till we are more firm on our relationship. Dating you and giving you things is not asking for an commitment. You do not have to return with this." She said: "Don't talk so much, this is something that I wanted to do with you, I like you very much!"

The Act:

With this consent, I undress her and did her. God! that's when I found that I was wrong! She is a virgin! Every inch of her is a virgin. She bleed a little. After the whole deed is over she asked me; will it be that painful everytime?

The Question:

After the session she left and went back to her shop without asking for anything more. I see her a 2 times after, for body and foot massage after that day. Due to my monthly trip out of town, I promise to see her when I return.

I returned 1 week after and went to see her again. Too my surprise again; our relationship had changed back to Friend / Friend relationship again. During my body massage session in the room. She told me : "I think it is better that we remain as a friend, I thank you very much for all your kindness and your friendship but after some thoughts I don't think I am the right girl for you." After asking her why; she finally told me that she got to know this Boy at the internet cafe; 2 months ago, about the same time as she knows me, of course this boy is much younger. However their dating are only meeting in Internet Cafe and had not gone any further. She said that she did not go any further with him because she was dating me. However after some very careful thoughts while I was away, she decided that the other boy would be a better match for her and I deserve someone better than her.

I was pretty bad to ask her questions like: "Did he fuck you really?" and the answer was: "Nooo.... you are the first and only time I had sex! Not even now... even if he want to, I will ask him to wait till I get married! But I am not ready to get married!"

Now this is the question:

What is the catch? Why would she give me her first time and than turn away to go to another guy???? I done a number of virgins in my life before, based on my experience, all of them just simply stick to you like Super Glue! Why is this girl so liberal? Especially I knew that she comes from a very old fashion backwards village hometown. Of course I know here, that I somehow lost her love to this other guy; which I don't care much, but it makes me felt even more guilty for taking her first time. I told her that its her choice but I felt very sorry for doing it to her, we are still good friends, I will still see her for foot massage and if there is anything she need help on she can ask me freely. She than replied: "Yes she will but thanks me very much for making her to be a real women!" (Whatever that means?)

Till now I am still puzzled over this.

AG

Purely observational, is it some universal rule that a member once past the 1300+ posting mark will fall for a girl locally and start talking about relationship stuff with the rest of us? I ask not to mock Ace but because that means I still have 1200 more times to go! Woohoo!

Unknown One
09-17-06, 11:12
Ace

Just my point of view but I think maybe she wanted you to give her some experience. Alot of girls in China now are afraid of not having enough experience. Because the society here is so materialistic, and they hear so many horror stories about how the girl is screwed when her husband finds a mistress. Alot of girls feel now that with some experience under their own belt they are better armed against whatever it is they are arming themselves against.

Perhaps that is why she thanked you for making her a woman?

1346

Ace Gallant
09-17-06, 12:56
Is Village a disco,a massage palour or a bar?

The Village? Well its a village full of BBS. This proved that you had not RTFF.

AG

Ace Gallant
09-17-06, 13:11
Well AG, you got lucky and the famous lines worked like a charm but it sounds like she has someone behind her giving her opposite advice. These young web bar chaps are usually scammers that take these nice girls they meet straight the local BBS and have the girls make them a comfy living. If you care for her, then just keep talking to her and make her see some sense. For example I met this stunner at a BBS and then one day saw her BF, my god, scum of the earth isn't low enough to descibe this thing. The Chinese proverb a fresh flower stuck into a pile of sh*t was my first thought. From my point of view I believe in trying to educate as well as enjoy myself because if we who are educated and been around the block enough times don't help them see how things should be, who will?

PS: Some girls are just twisted in the head and have no clue what they are doing until they have done it. Another possibility.


Ace

Just my point of view but I think maybe she wanted you to give her some experience. Alot of girls in China now are afraid of not having enough experience. Because the society here is so materialistic, and they hear so many horror stories about how the girl is screwed when her husband finds a mistress. Alot of girls feel now that with some experience under their own belt they are better armed against whatever it is they are arming themselves against.

Perhaps that is why she thanked you for making her a woman?

1346

Hmm... come to think of it; 1346, you could be right, I was with Mock A Bee this afternoon checking out the Ji Yuan Sauna (Another report on this later), I told him the story (he had not read this post yet) and guess what? He told me the same thing as what you said. She just wants me to break her in to get the experience. But I thought that was just in Japan?? Cannot get over my thoughts that a decent girl like her would ended up giving her first time to a Moron like me!!! Oh.... as Blacklisted said about me... I am beyond hell already!

Actually, I just returned from seeing her right after in the Ji Yuan Sauna with MAB. She gave me the smile that melt me down at the front door! I did this with just to check that she is ok.

On the part of coaxing her to a BBS, well dragon, the place she is working as is next to BBSs in fact that place also has girl offering HJ. She is one of the 3 girls working there that is purely massage and no extras. (there used to be 4 but 1 of them left). So I believe she is smart enough to watch out for herself.

Also MAB reminded me something of China: "There are many girls in China that are screwed up in their head!" which reminded me that 2 of my current Freebies keep telling me... "their heads is full of water!"

AG

Ace Gallant
09-17-06, 13:27
Even more than the various Saunas in Shanghai I like a particular 'Soapland-style' place in Puxi. The Chinese name is 'Ji Yuan Hui Suo' and it is at the intersection of 'Jiao Zhou' Lu and 'Chang Ping' Lu. Jiao Zhou road starts behind the Jing An temple and after 5 minutes taxi ride you cross Chang Ping road. Get out here, it is the corner building on the left side. It should be no problem to find it. The taxi drivers always smile at me in this special way when I show the card to them...

Price for one hour: 760 RMB - I did not try anything else and I don't know what other 'packages' are available.

Have fun, SJ

MAB and I checked out this place this afternoon.

This is the first Sauna that I been in Shanghai that has lockers in the VIP room (where they do foot massage). Normally the lockers are in a separate lockers room.

Sunday afternoon at 3pm this place is packed! MAB and I have to wait for 30mins before they found 1 room. The worst is when we said we wanted to go together, manager said its ok to have 2 in one room!

The line up was not that great consider that all the rooms are filled. I had #83, a North Eastern girl from Haerbin. She got to be the shortest Haerbin girl I ever seen! 26 years and small size breast with inverted tits! Again the first time I seen a 26 years old with tits like a 18 years old! She was total GFE. Told me that she only arrived in Shanghai 7 days ago, and today is her 4th at work because the first 2 days was training in which she cried as she had never worked in Sauna before. She is still staying at a cheap local hotel which cost her 70rmb per night. When she found out that I am living alone 10 mins fromt eh Sauna, she was determine to be my GF and started hinting to me that I need someone to hug to sleep at night! Dam...! don;t we always need?

Anyways: Overall its a nice place, service is the same as the new Waves Saunas except that the rooms and equipment are newer in Waves. But they do not have the Auotmated Sex bed as in waves, Waterproof bed in the shower room (inside the massage room) Mirrors on the ceiling. Service is exectly the saem as waves. I wonder if the owner is the same???

Location: Corner of Qiao Zhou Lu, Chang Ping Lu. there's pet shop on the left of the Sauna in the same building.

AG

Lao Ma
09-17-06, 15:26
My job situation has dictated that I move to this small quaint village called Shanghai. Totally love Beijing for a lot of reasons, so I've got mixed feelings. Anyway maybe the pollution will be really bad, instead of really, really, really horrible like it is in Beijing.

At some point I'm sure I'll meet some of you mugs. Always in search of Belgium beer joints....

Ace Gallant
09-17-06, 17:52
AG,

Sorry, I am not a Senior member but just to drop a comment if you don't mind.

Firstly, I concur totally with Dragon's comments, there are many of these scammers that work on these simple minded girls and eventually get them to make money for them. I think it might be good to keep track on her development and guide her back to the right path if she has been misled.

I think the reason why she has given her first time to you is because in her whole life up to the time she met you, no one has treated her so well and you have been so thoughtful to choose the gift that she has been eyeing for a long time as a birthday present for her. Both the thought and the gift means a lot to her, hence she felt that it is the best way to return your kindness. It could also be at that moment of time, she really want to develop further with you until she spent more time with this guy and has second thought about it.

Just my POV.

Gleneagle

Thanks and I appreciate your advise.

For those who had met me in person would know that I am a very open person who is always willing to listern and learn from other experience and opinion.

As for now I will monitor the situation and see how it goes; to be frank from the start I am not too keen on developing a relationship with her mainly is because, my first kid, daugther, is as old as this foot massage girl!

Of course I had taken serious consideration on Dragon's comments on those scammers but even though I had not rule it out, the chances is very slim for this case. She is smart enough to avoid stepping on quicksand.

Thanks again for your comments.

AG

Joe02
09-17-06, 18:04
Hi!

I'm currently at Shanghai Hotel, but I'm reluctant to use their 750RMB 'sexmassage' service. Is there anything to recommend at walking distance from Shaghai Hotel?
Or maybe some outcall service with a phone number.

Grateful for any tips, and will post photos if possible.

Joe

Dar425
09-18-06, 03:40
I always go to Guangdong for business, and this was my 1st visit to Shanghai, arriving on a Sunday afternoon (I'm not sure if Sunday evening the best or worse time to be looking for action).


First, some interesting differences I immediately notice about GuangDong vs Shanghai:

- Most Shanghai people actually wait for the crosswalk light to turn in Green, but in Guangdong people seem to cross as they want (most of the time; like that "Frogger" video game.

- People in Shanghai are much taller and bigger, including the women.

- There are a LOT more foriegners and ex-pats here, at least from what I've seen in Jing'An, and it's easy to find a local chinese who can speak some level of English (even taxi drivers).



My hotel is located in PuXi/Jing'An(?), very near to the streets of ShaanXi & Nanjing.

I left my hotel to wander and get familiar with what is around me closely, and found a place called "Big Bamboo" (I think it's behind the Shanghai Center). 20 RMB for Tiger beer which was better than 40/50 RMB beer prices that I had heard about in Shanghai. The place is expat and had a few local girls there, but I think there's isn't any kind of real girl action happening at this place that I could see.

I wandered more, got into a taxi and said to take me to a bar street. he dropped me off on Hengshan Lu.

I walked into a place called "Sasha" which seemed like some kind of salsa-dance nightclub. It was FULL of people (about 60% women, 40% men; including many ex-pats). Maybe there are some local singles looking for a dance date... but I hate dancing, so I left and went back to my hotel to do some business things.

About Midnight ( of Sunday night & Monday morning), I taxi'ed to Hengshan Lu again just to see what was happening. I was approached a few times by a couple of women who offerered to me their massage and make-love service that I declined.

Near here (it might be still on Hengshan Lu?), I found a strip of bars/pubs that had some chinese waitresses hanging out as if waiting for customers, and they were all happy to greet me and welcome me into their bars, but I didn't think there was much for real action with these girls. Maybe my "Spidey Sense" just isn't what it used to me. And the pubs that I looked into had no customers.

I did choose to sit and have a beer in place along here... I think it was 30 RMB for a Tiger beer. Waitresses dressed in white athletic/cheerleader outfits. This bar had a few customers outside but I enjoyed my time inside. Didn't seem to have any action going on with the waitresses, nor the 2 women customers who were chatting along in a booth aways from me.

So, I wanted along this barstreet again, and one of the same women from earlier is following me and offering make-love, etc. I'll try to make a long story short. We agreed on 600 RMB for all-night (until 08:00am), FS, so we taxied to my hotel. I don't know if I bargained for a fair rate or not, knowing that Shanghai is more expensive in many ways.

After our shower, I did some DATY... A few minutes into it, here Ai Yi / auntie calls here.. asking if she can come and join us for a FMF 3some. But it will cost 300 RMB more. I said no, because I realized that Auntie was one of the 1st girls who I turned down earlier and Auntie was looking 35+ and not very pretty.

After the girl gets off the phone I tell her I want BBBJ. She keeps insisting on CBJ, but I tell her to just shut up and start sucking. it takes some convincing, and she did most a lot of swirly licking to kind of simulate a BBBJ, but I hold her head and she finally does some genuine BBBJ properly. But, she keeps stopping to hack-n-spit. WTF ???? Anyway, this lame and I'm actually wishing that I could go limp to insult her (lack of) sucking skills.

I finally decide that I just want to unload and get rid of her, I don't want her for the whole night. So, I tell her to get on for some cowgirl action, and she puts some effort into it, but we're just not doing the best. Finally I manually finish by shooting a good load onto her chest.

We both shower up quickly, and this is about 1 1/2 hours into our session.. and I tell her I'm not happy, that she wasn't very good, and so I tell her the 700 RMB all-night deal is now a 300 RMB 1-time deal and that I want her to leave. She seems to see my dis-satisfaction, and asks for 100 RMB more, and I say no.. and tell her that I am leaving now to find a beer (at 2am, hoping Big Bamboo is still open), and we leave the hotel together. She wants to follow me but I tell her to get the hell away from me. Guys, I am a very gentlemanly person, but this was one of my most lamest experiences in China.


I get to Big Bamboo, but it's closing/justclosed. Immeidately across the street is another pub with 3 girls. There are no customers, they look bored, and tell me they are open until 3am. So, I sit and have a 30 RMB riger beer (maybe it was 40, I don't remember). I chat some with the girls, using Chinese.. they don't speak much English. At 3am they ask if I want 1 more ber and I said that if they are closing then I don't want to keep them out late. But I guess they are enjoying talking with me and they say they will stay open for 1 more beer for me if I want. So I accept, kind of wondering if 1 of these girls is interested in coming to my hotel !(??). As I drink that last beer I realize it's not 3:15am and that I need to work in the morning, so I decided to not pursue these girls (they were about '5' on the 1..10 scale). So, I finished that beer and all of us left at 3:30am; they going their way, me going my way. Zaijian.

Anyway, I hope Monday night has more action, and I will read more on the forums to find some better girl action and freelancers in the bars, but I want to read up on typcial rates.


Dar

Dragon D
09-18-06, 04:55
Heya Joe,

Can't PM you but if you need outcall, PM me with your contact info and I will contact you.

Bad Boy Billy
09-18-06, 06:16
My job situation has dictated that I move to this small quaint village called Shanghai. Totally love Beijing for a lot of reasons, so I've got mixed feelings. Anyway maybe the pollution will be really bad, instead of really, really, really horrible like it is in Beijing.

At some point I'm sure I'll meet some of you mugs. Always in search of Belgium beer joints....

Lao Ma

This is the best news I have heard for such a long time - hopefully we will now get some good consistent reports on the bar scene as opposed to the BBS scene.

I saw a report here recently saying Bourbon St sucks at the moment - hopefully you can sus that out for us and report back.

Also would love to hear how Park 97 is stacking up at the moment - do keep up your usual good work please.

Gualtier Malde
09-18-06, 06:52
AG,

I too know who you are talking about - since you honored me by taking me to your favorite Korean foot massage last time I was in town.

Here's something to ponder: we all go on the premise that these girls are "simple country girls". Well, consider the opposite - that, like most women on the planet, they are intuitive, sharp as tacks, and really "know the scoop".

I would wager that most of these simple women are very very smart about guys lke us, and can smell us from a mile away.

Here's what I suspect: she knew from the start you were 1) a player, and 2) nice, but not her soul mate. She knew she could take her time with you, because you came every night.

She also knew that you would probably be gentle with her, and she spent plenty of time with you to find that out. You are a kind man, even us mongers know that, but she, being the superior being, knew that from the start.

I suspect she knew from the start that even if you married her, she would not be the only woman in your life. Perhaps she eventually couldn't come to terms with that, and after giving you something she thought you would cherish of her, she let you down easily. She might not consider virginity as big a deal as a man does, but who knows.

Anyway, I hope she hasn't torn a big hole in your heart. Been there, done that, and I know it can hurt. But you always have the gang!

I'll see you guys in October!

David

Gualtier Malde
09-18-06, 06:56
I always go to Guangdong for business, and this was my 1st visit to Shanghai, arriving on a Sunday afternoon (I'm not sure if Sunday evening the best or worse time to be looking for action).

...

Anyway, I hope Monday night has more action, and I will read more on the forums to find some better girl action and freelancers in the bars, but I want to read up on typcial rates.


Dar


Dar,

Your prices are about right for Shanghai. And you probably did the right thing with that girl.

Sunday is not a great night anywhere in Shanghai as far as I have seen. If you are looking for a rocking good time, try Zapatas on Wednesday night. If you are looking for cuddling with chat girls, go to TongRen Lu bars. If you are looking for typical nightclub scene, try Park 97 and a zillion others, but not on Sunday night. If you are looking for a western ex pat, older crowd, try Malones.

Good luck!

David

Gualtier Malde
09-18-06, 06:59
My job situation has dictated that I move to this small quaint village called Shanghai. Totally love Beijing for a lot of reasons, so I've got mixed feelings. Anyway maybe the pollution will be really bad, instead of really, really, really horrible like it is in Beijing.

At some point I'm sure I'll meet some of you mugs. Always in search of Belgium beer joints....

I look forward to seeing you on one of my regular jaunts to Shanghai. I only have one experience in Beijing, but from that experience I much prefer Shanghai. I never consider it polluted - hazy yes, (and maybe this is my California training) but I think it is more water (haze) than pollution.

Have fun!

David

Tiger 888
09-18-06, 09:39
I look forward to seeing you on one of my regular jaunts to Shanghai. I only have one experience in Beijing, but from that experience I much prefer Shanghai. I never consider it polluted - hazy yes, (and maybe this is my California training) but I think it is more water (haze) than pollution.

Have fun!

DavidPollutionwise Shanghai is one of the better cities in China(not exactly meaning good), BeiJing is one of the worst. Far the worst is ShiJiaZhuang, capital of Hebei.

Albert Punter
09-18-06, 13:08
It is a pity you don't want to try their famous sauna.

For alternatives in the area I think you should make some exercise and RTFF. You will find a world of information, starting from famous post #4772 from David Xyzzy 1 in RoD to some recent posts from him.

Other than this I can suggest you:
a) to stroll in front of Hilton, which is just around the corner from Shanghai Hotel, and search for street girls;
b) to try bars in Julu Lu, which is almost in front of Hilton;
c) to try big massage place in front of Hilton, in case you are up just for HJ;
d) to move north to Tongren Lu bars strip, intersection with Yanan Lu;
e) to move farther north to Malone's or the Pub;
f) to move south to Zapata's and other venues in Hengshan Lu;
g) to move east to Xin Tian Di bars, where you will find huge variety.

As far as numbers for outcalls, it seems not possible to PM regular members and it is forbidden to post phone numbers in the forum.
So, how can we do ?



Hi!

I'm currently at Shanghai Hotel, but I'm reluctant to use their 750RMB 'sexmassage' service. Is there anything to recommend at walking distance from Shaghai Hotel?
Or maybe some outcall service with a phone number.

Grateful for any tips, and will post photos if possible.

Joe

Dar425
09-18-06, 13:36
I had stuff to do but finished up early and yet still stressed out from work.


I stopped by what seems to be new expat like place just opening. I think the name is TIME OUT bar. I don't know the evening action but it seems geared toward the lao-wai crowd and is fairly big, clean, new. Location is just 1/2 KM south of Bamboo bar (www.bamboobar.cn).

More notes about Bamboo. I like that the beer is 20 RMB for .5 liter, fairly cheap for Shanghai inter-city standards.

At Bamboo, there is a 2/f bar area. I saw 3 Filipina girls hanging out in the early evening. WTF, Filipina in China???? I didn't talk with them, but one was making goo-goo-lovey eye contact with me. The prettiest one had her back turned to me, so I could only get Eye-to-bum contact going, and her "spidey sense" was not active to detect that.

I'm not a fan of Filipina girls. Why goof them in hong Kong or Shanghai for 500 HKD/RM if you can get them cheaper in Manilla!? That's my theory. Anyway, i left the place to get a shower and check that my luggage arrived in Shanghai. Yep, 2nd day of same shirt. Fun.

Hopefully I post in the next day about something worthwile. I'll check out Tong Ren Lu tonight, and give you this big boys Guangdong-oriented report to comapare. And, by the way, I am an objective person, but so far in PuXi/Jing'An have found a lot of the chicks to be snobbish. Yeah, I want to boink them, but I don't want to take the time to listen to how 'facinating' they are. They are players. guangdong girls are belly-achers with some sad story from the western country side. Go figure!


Dar
ps - I could not find 'the 300 RMB BJ bar for hence cannot be named". I know the name of it, but have no F-ing clue about where the F it is. So if you want to help me out and let me know. or PM me a "NANNY NANNY BOO BOO". You will remain anonymous in either case.

Mianbao
09-18-06, 16:32
AG,

My guess is that she had decided she was ready for her first time, but wanted someone who knew what they are doing (she can see her younger boyfriend doesn't have a clue about sex but you do), and she was confident you would treat her properly and not hurt her.

Dar,

From earlier reports a lot of the bars on the side streets around Hengshan Lu are rip-off bars, so you were wise not going in.

Didn't realise there were Filipinas in Big Bamboo. Have seen a lot of them on Maoming and Tongren - I guess they are spreading out.

Maoming Lu is also an option for bars, although half of them have been closed down so this strip of bars is now half what it was. The original Judy's is still fun on a Friday or Saturday night, with a mix of local freebies for pickup or short Filipina dancing girls (not your preference though it seems!). Further north from Judys there are a couple of bars with local crowds were freebie pickups are also possible.

Mint is also good on a Wednesday night (north Tongren, on corner with Beijing Lu). If you just want somewhere with lots of people on any night, there is the very low end Windows bar opposite Jing'An temple. Be warned though - it is a S%&thole cheapskate bar and talent or lack of is very variable!

I will PM you the address you are after in case nobody has already, however personally I think it is over-rated. There are some good BJ BBS for RMB130, such as on Changde Lu or Xuanhua Lu.

Cheers

Mianbao.

Cebu Local
09-19-06, 00:29
I had a chat with one of them at the Luna Bar and according to her there are about 2,000 of them in Shanghai.They claim the edge over Chinese girls they have are the following.English Language Skills,Education since most of them have at least 1-2 years of college.Hygiene,Bathing,Shaving,Brushing and flossing regularly etc.Furthermore They said the Chinese girls are less affectionate,They dont kiss or hug you in public.Anyway These are HER comments and HER opinion.For me I am busy teaching my Chinese Fiance to be more affectionate,demonstrative etc because she is now in the PI and adapting fast.She has already learned the Filipino pastime of Shopping and is enjoying the maids,driver etc.My Goodness A Shanghainese with Filipina Shopping habits,Now that is a terrifying thought

Levitian
09-19-06, 00:57
Dar,

C'mon, you have pmed me, and I gave you rather clear instructions how to find this bar and the link to the interactive map of www.smartshanghai.com.
Anyway, went there the other night, rather early, and the selection wasn't that great. Had a girl, who makes Kate Hudson a 2nd Pamela Anderson. So, I guess, you shouldn't show up there before 8 - 9 pm.

Levitian

Gualtier Malde
09-19-06, 01:27
I had a chat with one of them at the Luna Bar and according to her there are about 2,000 of them in Shanghai.They claim the edge over Chinese girls they have are the following.English Language Skills,Education since most of them have at least 1-2 years of college.Hygiene,Bathing,Shaving,Brushing and flossing regularly etc.Furthermore They said the Chinese girls are less affectionate,They dont kiss or hug you in public.Anyway These are HER comments and HER opinion.


I would tend to agree that a PI girl will have a much better interaction with a non-Chinese speaking westerner. In terms of hygiene, she could be right, but this is probably more variable. I know spotless Chinese women, and have met some that are less so. I've also had a couple of less than spotless PI chicks in Shanghai.

But for the most part, the PI girls are very affectionate, generally more so than the Chinese girls, particularly in public. Behind closed doors, again, depends on the individual. I'd have to say my best PI girl was pretty darn close to equal to my best Chinese girl.

PI girls do shave more than Chinese girls.

I like both kinds of girl. I'll take two of each, please!

David

Levitian
09-19-06, 02:08
Hey, Cap,

Is it possible that your favourite bar is closed for the time being? I went there the other day, but all lights were shut down. I assume it is the bar with the dolphin sign, right?

Levitian

Dar425
09-19-06, 03:06
Last night I went to Tong Ren Lu, a sort of bar street area, but very small and compact.


To be honest, I was already VERY tired and should have just gone to my hotel to get a good needed sleep, but like a dumb ass I tried to explore and and make the most of my few days in Shanghai.


Blue Frog. A really cute waitress there, about 18yo, chatted with her and she seemed to really take a liking to me, but she had to work that night and the next night, so really no chance to take her out. There was also a gal sitting at the bar making fun lovey goo-goo eyes. I should have gotten up and off my ass, but didn't, but she might've been something to tell my mother about; I guess I'll never know.

Later I hit the Manhatten bar in this Tong Ren Lu area. I hate to say it, but I actually was not interested in sex, knowing that all I would do is fall asleep. There was a Vietnamese girl here, quite pretty, said she usually asks for 1500 RMB for all night but for me she would go for 1000 RMB. Since I knew that I could not perform well, I just tried to play a stupid game and told her that in Guangdong she would be a 600 RMB all night girl. (actually I never saw Vietnamese girls in Guangdong).

Well, it was soon about 4am or 5am, and the bars were closing. Outside were a lot of Filipina girls trying to pick up on guys. I got into a taxi, and suddenly 2 Filipina girls jumped into my taxi. I did not want them, but figured I will just let them come along for the short ride.

Like a dumb ass I let them up to my room. And, I did not use my in-room hotel safe. You guys know where this is going, but I've never seen a warning about it for Shanghai or Tong Ren Lu; but it is general common sense that I was missing this night. I hope you guys learn from my 1st ever mistake in this hobby.

So, the girls shower, and we are having 3some sex, and 1 girl is riding me while the other is sitting on my face. I know I cannot shoot my load due to just being too tired and added with the beer from Tong Ren Lu. They BBBJ, and BBBJ together, and it's a blur of memories. In fact I think is doing me bareback FS, I'm not sure (maybe I will confirm or deny this in June 2007).

Eventually I pass out, fast alseep, probably about 5:30 or 6am. I wake up at 7:30am and the girls are gone. I think I remember being with 2 Filipina girls... or was it a dream? I look through my things and find out they took all of the USD and RMB that I had in my luggage/wallet/pants, yes even the 10's and 1 RMB coins; I guess the wad of 100's was just not enough; about 500 USD total (4000 RMB). Yeah, that sucked, and to top it off they also took all of the toilet paper from my room. Luckily they didn't take my credit cards, laptop, cellphone, etc so I guess I was born lucky?


Dar


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Cap Iota
09-19-06, 04:16
Hey, Cap,

Is it possible that your favourite bar is closed for the time being? I went there the other day, but all lights were shut down. I assume it is the bar with the dolphin sign, right?

Levitian

hmm...which one?

Levitian
09-19-06, 06:01
...this one?!?!

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=486868&postcount=6279

Went there ages ago, following your tip. Back then, the place was somewhat weird, with a very strange papasan (this long-hair dude).

Levitian

Gualtier Malde
09-19-06, 06:05
Luckily they didn't take my credit cards, laptop, cellphone, etc so I guess I was born lucky?


Dar


Buddy, I feel for you. That totally sucks. And yes, you are lucky they didn't take off with the rest, but then security probably would have spotted them with the (larger) loot. You probably would have been more lucky if they had taken your laptop, because then maybe the would have been caught. But probably not.

Maybe some kind locals can help poor Dar find these terrible women and help him get some justice... AG?

David

Tiger 888
09-19-06, 06:24
Buddy, I feel for you. That totally sucks. And yes, you are lucky they didn't take off with the rest, but then security probably would have spotted them with the (larger) loot. You probably would have been more lucky if they had taken your laptop, because then maybe the would have been caught. But probably not.

Maybe some kind locals can help poor Dar find these terrible women and help him get some justice... AG?

DavidI hope not only Dar learns from this. I have bought myself 2 of those hotel style safes for my appartment so that I can relax a bit more. they are not expensive, around 1200 RMB. You can even lock them with a ATM card if you don't want to remember the number. And they do have a hardware key in case you lose the card. And yes, I use them.

Ace Gallant
09-19-06, 07:28
...this one?!?!

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=486868&postcount=6279

Went there ages ago, following your tip. Back then, the place was somewhat weird, with a very strange papasan (this long-hair dude).

Levitian

Passed by that place last night but its closed.


Maybe some kind locals can help poor Dar find these terrible women and help him get some justice... AG?

David

AG will be out of town on my regular South China run. Talk to me when I am back next week..... I'll be back!

AG

Ace Gallant
09-19-06, 07:33
Just a word of Appreciation for those who had given me valuable advise and opinions on this matters. All that was given will be taken in consideration on my next move.

Also; David; Nah... I been though these many times before.... with two failed marriages; not any 19 years old would leave a hole in any part of my body! hahaha!

Thanks!
AG

Blacklisted
09-19-06, 07:48
Just a quick note of warning to the brotherhood.

I have news from my masseuse that raids are being conducted across massage parlours in Shanghai. Not sure if it is restricted to the Changde Lu red light district, or further afield.

Just take care if you frequent these places for at least another week as apparently the raids are ongoing.

I had thought these places were the safest, but apparently this is not the case.

Hope AG can verify this info, and perhaps add to it, but at the moment it's all I know.

Albert Punter
09-19-06, 08:52
Like a dumb ass I let them up to my room. And, I did not use my in-room hotel safe. You guys know where this is going, but I've never seen a warning about it for Shanghai or Tong Ren Lu; but it is general common sense that I was missing this night. I hope you guys learn from my 1st ever mistake in this hobby.
Dar


Dar,

Yes you were little dumb not to close your valuables in the safe-box.
Probably you didn't read carefully this or other threads, as this subject has been mentioned many times.
Just refer to Santa's post, which is in RoD too.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=445901&postcount=1077


P.S. Allow me to add that safety issues should be priority to all of us mongers, irrespective of warnings.

Ace Gallant
09-19-06, 08:58
Just a quick note of warning to the brotherhood.

I have news from my masseuse that raids are being conducted across massage parlours in Shanghai. Not sure if it is restricted to the Changde Lu red light district, or further afield.

Just take care if you frequent these places for at least another week as apparently the raids are ongoing.

I had thought these places were the safest, but apparently this is not the case.

Hope AG can verify this info, and perhaps add to it, but at the moment it's all I know.

No Alarm needed; Just got off the phone with my sources;

One of the girls working at our regular MP had her license rejected and so the police came to check.

No raids in this area at the moment. Happy MPing......

AG

Levitian
09-19-06, 09:26
It is this time of the year, National Day is approaching, and this is normally the time for a greater clean-up. Wouldn't be surprised.

Levitian

Blacklisted
09-19-06, 10:41
No Alarm needed; Just got off the phone with my sources;

One of the girls working at our regular MP had her license rejected and so the police came to check.

No raids in this area at the moment. Happy MPing......

AG

Hi AG, I called my girl there twice, about 3 days apart and she said this will continue for another 3 days, so sounds like a bit more than licence check??

Jean You
09-19-06, 10:48
Hi fellow mongers,

My usual hotel has almost doubled their prices so I need some experienced advice. Anybody knows if there are any problems to bring girls at these hotels;

Yangtze Hotel
The Bund Hotel
Hengsheng Peninsula Int. Hotel

Is there any good massage at some of these hotels?

Do you have a place to recommend on a Thursday night? I usually go to the Tong Reng Lu area.

I promise detailed reports.

Johnny Wynne
09-19-06, 12:04
HI Guys,

Can I just confirm/ask the following terms to use in a BBS so their is no misunderstanding.

Xiao Bei = HJ
???????? = BJ (Zhong Bei.....is that right?)
Da Bei = FS

Thanks,

Jon

Toony
09-19-06, 13:03
i can sympathise with dar as same happened to me 10days ago.

in trl having a few beers - got a cab with my mate to julu lu , this girl jumped in front seat - despite being told to get out , would not - spent an hour or so in lulu lu . when i came out of the bar alone she was still there - the usual 'i been waiting for you etc etc'. she was ok and i thought i needed a bj so back to hotel. shower together , bbbj , cim .she went back to shower , i went in bathroom to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) - whilst i was peeing , she went in to living room (the only time she was alone in my room) she took all my money (and fapia?).

i'd paid her 250rmb. the sting in the tail however is she left her handphone - knock at the door at 9.00am - of course got my 1500rmb back and put it down to experience - we gotta learn guys.

never again, i hope :)

Ace Gallant
09-19-06, 17:14
Hi fellow mongers,

My usual hotel has almost doubled their prices so I need some experienced advice. Anybody knows if there are any problems to bring girls at these hotels;

Yangtze Hotel
The Bund Hotel
Hengsheng Peninsula Int. Hotel

Is there any good massage at some of these hotels?

Do you have a place to recommend on a Thursday night? I usually go to the Tong Reng Lu area.

I promise detailed reports.

Please read one of the previous report about "No guest after midnight rules for Hotels in Shanghai" But than again read my report about ways of getting around it.

Enjoy Shag Hai!
AG

Levitian
09-20-06, 01:12
Something is going on. No streetwalkers on Henghsan Road last night, some touts, yes, but also the Jinjiang guys didn't show up. So, I guess, there must be some major cleaning-up, and, again, it is a "normal" annual routine, as National Day is approaching.

Things seem to get worse here: met a guy, who was robbed by a girl he met in "Zapata's". He was apparently drugged (maybe she put sth. in his drink, while he went to the toilet), because he didn't remember anything. When conscious again, he found himself in a taxi in the outskirts of the city, money, credit cards, cellphone, etc. all gone.

Levitian

Gualtier Malde
09-20-06, 06:51
I'd paid her 250rmb. The sting in the tail however is she left her handphone - knock at the door at 9.00am - of course got my 1500rmb back and put it down to experience - we gotta learn guys.

Never again, I hope :)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I wish I had been there to see her come back asking for her phone! She probably kicked herself all day.

What a moron she must be! If only you had capped the deal by getting her photo to post here for all to see.

David

Ticktock
09-20-06, 07:02
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I wish I had been there to see her come back asking for her phone! She probably kicked herself all day.

What a moron she must be! If only you had capped the deal by getting her photo to post here for all to see.

DavidThank god she was a total moron. And Toony is nice for just calling it even. But yes, the look on her face when she came back, must of been, how shall we say, "priceless" hahaha. Should of taken a picture with her phone even hahahahhaha.

But laughter aside, Shanghai is sounding a bit nasty safety wise. I am a SZ player mostly, and been lucky I guess. Good reports, will keep me on my guard.

Blacklisted
09-20-06, 08:37
Thank god she was a total moron. And Toony is nice for just calling it even. But yes, the look on her face when she came back, must of been, how shall we say, "priceless" hahaha. Should of taken a picture with her phone even hahahahhaha.

But laughter aside, Shanghai is sounding a bit nasty safety wise. I am a SZ player mostly, and been lucky I guess. Good reports, will keep me on my guard.


Shanghai is probably one of the safest places in CHina to both live and monger. SZ is a lot more dangerous.

We just need to follow the golden rules (on the ROD if you don't already know).

Apart from that, try to monger with brothers and watch out for each other.

Must really suck to have your drink drugged though, especially if it was by a girl you considered to be a friend, rather than a simple hooker.

Yet, even that problem would be solved if the golden rules were followed: ie. never mongering with any more than you can afford to lose and definitely no credit cards!

Archie64
09-20-06, 09:05
Hi,

Any info about City Hotel Shanghai?

Thanks

Cockburn
09-20-06, 12:59
Hello respectable seniors,

I had been a reader for a long time and had been following the Shanghai Gang adventure.

However I have a few questions that is not so related to mongering but are related to the Shanghai Gang, I hope you seniors have mercy for not giving me a bashing on the board.

1) It seems to me that the "Shanghai Gang" is connected to the Mafia or Gangsters of some sort. I noticed that the information on mongering places; especially with raids and real prices is very accurate to the dot. I am right?

2) I am not saying Gangsters are bad people but I am just an ordinary guy, so called ABC, in my first trip to Shanghai; I would be honoured to meet up with the ďGangĒ but I hope my ordinary soul would not be look down upon. So will I have the honour?

3) After following the posting for a while, I take it that AG is the gang leader? So AG, can I have the honour to buy you an expensive dinner or some KTV night out?

I lived in San Francisco, running a small business in China Town and am well aware that the Chinese Gangsters controls the Saunas, Entertainment and Meat Market. I do make friends with the gangsters. Most of the time; I am well aware that I would need to pay a little money for security of my shop and the areas around. This trip to Shanghai, I am sourcing for a business opportunity to start up my branch restaurant in Shanghai. I would very like to make friends with the Gang and especially AG, Da Ge if I have the honour.

I promise to make a lot of posting on mongering when I get there. Of course this is with the permission of the Gang.

Thank you very much in advance for the reply.

Cockburn

Ace Gallant
09-20-06, 13:19
Hi AG, I called my girl there twice, about 3 days apart and she said this will continue for another 3 days, so sounds like a bit more than licence check??

Ok Blacklisted, here is the full story:

One of the girls at that Prostate Massage place is not happy with the fact that the boss had fined her on many of her mistakes she made at work. Therefore she refused to fill up her application for her license and reported to the Police that there are hanky panky going on in the MP. The Police are having regular checks daily, for the whole week on this place.

I asked my "link" in the Police and he said: "For a decent massage place, the client are not to be found naked in the room alone with any girls. That's the rule if they do not want their Massage Parlor license suspended."

So if you want to go back there, it is safe but do not be found naked! Hahaha... can't imagine how to do a Prostate Massage with your clothes on????

AG

Toony
09-20-06, 13:20
David/Narsus

Wish I'd thought of taking her pic when she came back , I did toy with once I got my money back to smash her phone off the floor but I was too mature probably and thought let bygones be bygones. Be careful of the SW's around TRL and Julu Lu though , they are persistent at 4am in the morning when demon drink has blurred our judgement!

Be safe

Ace Gallant
09-20-06, 13:26
Something is going on. No streetwalkers on Henghsan Road last night, some touts, yes, but also the Jinjiang guys didn't show up. So, I guess, there must be some major cleaning-up, and, again, it is a "normal" annual routine, as National Day is approaching.

Things seem to get worse here: met a guy, who was robbed by a girl he met in "Zapata's". He was apparently drugged (maybe she put sth. in his drink, while he went to the toilet), because he didn't remember anything. When conscious again, he found himself in a taxi in the outskirts of the city, money, credit cards, cellphone, etc. all gone.

Levitian

It is true that they do clean up the streets more before and during National Day. But also if you go to the bars during this period, you will find that there aren't many people around either.

A lot of those who wanted to go away for Holidays are making their trip early to avoid expansive travel deals. I spoke to my travel agents and they all told me that all the flight during the National days are fully booked and a lot of other are flying out early and the tour packages during this two week before the National days are fully booked too!

At the same time; expats like us are also returning home early because of the difficulties in booking a flight for teh next two weeks.

Yes; Police are saying that due to the fact that there are less "targets" they are also stepping up security for places where foreigner frequent. Mainly because Holiday seasons = robbery season, Less target, more competition for theif and robbers.

So for those who are around during this period, watch your backs!

Enjoy and stay safe!
AG

PS: Levitian, perhap it was also because its Monday or Sunday evening that you noticed that there were no SWs or Pimps on the street?

Jman90024
09-20-06, 14:01
Got a call this afternoon from a sauna girl who recently became mami in a new sauna. Went to check out the new establishment called Hokaido (Bei Hai Dao) in 338 Ning Xia Lu (cross Cao Yang Lu) on the 3F. The location is a bit confusion since there is also a legit sauna on the same floor. Turn right after exiting the elevator. Met up with the mami at the door and she showed me around. The setup is a bit different from typical sauna and more like soapland in Japan. The lockers are in the VIP room with sofa and television. Once changed in the room, I was lead to the other side with entertaining room area. Every room has a bed and a bath with water bed. Pick the girls lining up behind glass, bit like the fishbowl in Thailand. The selection isn't good, only about 6 girls this afternoon but it's second day of opening. The quality isn't bed. After picking the girl, she was sent to the room waiting for me when I got there. The layout there is a bit like maze.

The service was good starting with shower, play on the water bed, and go to the room. There are mirror on the walls and ceiling.

Cost: 700
Time: 75 minutes
Address: 338 Ning Xia Lu (cross Cao Yang Lu)

Ace Gallant
09-20-06, 14:05
Got a call this afternoon from a sauna girl who recently became mami in a new sauna. Went to check out the new establishment called Hokaido (Bei Hai Dao) in 338 Ning Xia Lu (cross Cao Yang Lu) on the 3F. The location is a bit confusion since there is also a legit sauna on the same floor. Turn right after exiting the elevator. Met up with the mami at the door and she showed me around. The setup is a bit different from typical sauna and more like soapland in Japan. The lockers are in the VIP room with sofa and television. Once changed in the room, I was lead to the other side with entertaining room area. Every room has a bed and a bath with water bed. Pick the girls lining up behind glass, bit like the fishbowl in Thailand. The selection isn't good, only about 6 girls this afternoon but it's second day of opening. The quality isn't bed. After picking the girl, she was sent to the room waiting for me when I got there. The layout there is a bit like maze.

The service was good starting with shower, play on the water bed, and go to the room. There are mirror on the walls and ceiling.

Cost: 700
Time: 75 minutes
Address: 338 Ning Xia Lu (cross Cao Yang Lu)

Seems like these is the new tend that got all the Saunas following. I heard that Da Tang Yu Jing is going to renovate soon and the new Saunas will be structure like a Soapland of Japan. Waves for one reopened last month with these concept.

Enjoy!
AG

Gglee
09-20-06, 15:25
First report by Shanghai Jack and follow up by Ace Gallant, report #6921, re:
Ji Yuan Salon. Location stated previously. It is in a building that says LIncoln Theater.

Cost 760 rmb as stated and procedure exactly as reported by others.

I had number 67 (said name was Hunting?)
Face = 9
Body = 9
Breasts (firm, c cup) = 9
Service = 8-9
No DFK. Did not try DATY but I am sure she is more than willing. Didn't try because she offered anal rimming and I turned it down but if she did others, ugh.

I am also turned off by girls fake moaning before anything has even really started. She is tight and has good squeeze technique with very vagina.

Would recommend but quite busy. Had to wait 45 min at 5 pm for a viewing. I think oily body massage over rated. So much oil I cannot tell if her breasts or something else is rubbing on me.

From postings, seems like lots of similar saunas are turning up.

Albert Punter
09-20-06, 17:47
Cockburn,

This is most hilarious post I read since long time here, at least in first part.

AG would allow me to reassure you that Shanghai Gang has nothing to do with Mafia or Triad or Black Hand.

I believe that the word GANG in English has different meanings. Among them, group of people who associate for social purposes.
This is what we do, we just associate to enjoy mongering socially, other than exchanging/providing info.

Don't take this as bashing and welcome to Shanghai.



Hello respectable seniors,

I had been a reader for a long time and had been following the Shanghai Gang adventure.

However I have a few questions that is not so related to mongering but are related to the Shanghai Gang, I hope you seniors have mercy for not giving me a bashing on the board.

1) It seems to me that the "Shanghai Gang" is connected to the Mafia or Gangsters of some sort. I noticed that the information on mongering places; especially with raids and real prices is very accurate to the dot. I am right?

2) I am not saying Gangsters are bad people but I am just an ordinary guy, so called ABC, in my first trip to Shanghai; I would be honoured to meet up with the ďGangĒ but I hope my ordinary soul would not be look down upon. So will I have the honour?

3) After following the posting for a while, I take it that AG is the gang leader? So AG, can I have the honour to buy you an expensive dinner or some KTV night out?

I lived in San Francisco, running a small business in China Town and am well aware that the Chinese Gangsters controls the Saunas, Entertainment and Meat Market. I do make friends with the gangsters. Most of the time; I am well aware that I would need to pay a little money for security of my shop and the areas around. This trip to Shanghai, I am sourcing for a business opportunity to start up my branch restaurant in Shanghai. I would very like to make friends with the Gang and especially AG, Da Ge if I have the honour.

I promise to make a lot of posting on mongering when I get there. Of course this is with the permission of the Gang.

Thank you very much in advance for the reply.

Cockburn

Ace Gallant
09-21-06, 03:43
Hello respectable seniors,

I had been a reader for a long time and had been following the Shanghai Gang adventure.

However I have a few questions that is not so related to mongering but are related to the Shanghai Gang, I hope you seniors have mercy for not giving me a bashing on the board.

1) It seems to me that the "Shanghai Gang" is connected to the Mafia or Gangsters of some sort. I noticed that the information on mongering places; especially with raids and real prices is very accurate to the dot. I am right?

2) I am not saying Gangsters are bad people but I am just an ordinary guy, so called ABC, in my first trip to Shanghai; I would be honoured to meet up with the ďGangĒ but I hope my ordinary soul would not be look down upon. So will I have the honour?

3) After following the posting for a while, I take it that AG is the gang leader? So AG, can I have the honour to buy you an expensive dinner or some KTV night out?

I lived in San Francisco, running a small business in China Town and am well aware that the Chinese Gangsters controls the Saunas, Entertainment and Meat Market. I do make friends with the gangsters. Most of the time; I am well aware that I would need to pay a little money for security of my shop and the areas around. This trip to Shanghai, I am sourcing for a business opportunity to start up my branch restaurant in Shanghai. I would very like to make friends with the Gang and especially AG, Da Ge if I have the honour.

I promise to make a lot of posting on mongering when I get there. Of course this is with the permission of the Gang.

Thank you very much in advance for the reply.

Cockburn

Oh! your post came in under piles of other senior member post in which I missed. Luckly AP reply got me searching for your post.

My Respond:

OH YAH RIGHT! Now I am the Mafia leader! What's next? Secret Police? hahahah...

For a start, I cannot help laughing, why do you chose a German name "Cockburn" (Pronouced as Co- burn if I am not wrong) as a handle when you are a ABC? Real funny...... I like your style man!!!! What a good way to start off the day... you made my day!

1) No, we are not connected to any Mafia or secret police, KGB, CIA, MI6, FBI or anything of that sort... hahaha.... I must admit, I do make friends with them too. Both "Black and White" as the way they put it in Chinese. You know what I meant ... since you are ABChinese.

2) Whether you have the honour to meet the Gang or not, will depends on whether how much help you need and how you ask. Pay Jackson the yearly contribution, get the PM function and PM us. (Sorry, I am not doing Marketing for Jackson here). The gang welcomes newbies to join in our weekly ****-hunt, we do not look down upon anyone. In the past we had many newbies from the board who was welcomed into our group activities. Just to name a few: Former Pluto NYC (Now: Oscar Madadona), Woooooo...., Round Two, etc. - We are not stuck up people who would turn away anyone. However you do require some sort of verification that you are not from the secret police, KGB, CIA, MI6, FBI in order for us to except you inot the group. This if for the security purpose of the group. So... when we meet you, you would expect us to strip you down and do a body search up your anal.... hahahaha ... just joking! (I get carried away sometimes...)

3)YES, I am the gang leader! So please transfer 1 million RMB into my bank account before we start talking! ...hahaha.... Again just joking.... There are no Gang leader in this group. Everyone is a leader. We just like to hang out together, have a beer after a hard day's work. Of course; I been semi-retired have more time than anyone else in the group and therefore I hang out almost everynight! This is why I ended up been the center of the Gang's main contact. But however if you like to hang out with us and felt rich that you like to buy all of us drinks for the evenings in returns for showing you around, no-one in the gang will stop you... ;)

Those people that we met from the board all of them are pretty decent people. Successful in each one of their own field. So, you are in food business huh, maybe you should meet a couple of member in teh Gang, they are writers for magazine and a few of them are even ex-Chefs.

Finally.... Lighten up my friend... there are no gang extortion here on the board like what you have in China Town of SF. Just remember to keep your promise and post lots of good information on the board after you have enjoyed China! Welcome to Shanghai!

Enjoy
AG

Blacklisted
09-21-06, 06:34
Hello respectable seniors,

I had been a reader for a long time and had been following the Shanghai Gang adventure.

However I have a few questions that is not so related to mongering but are related to the Shanghai Gang, I hope you seniors have mercy for not giving me a bashing on the board.

1) It seems to me that the "Shanghai Gang" is connected to the Mafia or Gangsters of some sort. I noticed that the information on mongering places; especially with raids and real prices is very accurate to the dot. I am right?

2) I am not saying Gangsters are bad people but I am just an ordinary guy, so called ABC, in my first trip to Shanghai; I would be honoured to meet up with the “Gang” but I hope my ordinary soul would not be look down upon. So will I have the honour?

3) After following the posting for a while, I take it that AG is the gang leader? So AG, can I have the honour to buy you an expensive dinner or some KTV night out?

I lived in San Francisco, running a small business in China Town and am well aware that the Chinese Gangsters controls the Saunas, Entertainment and Meat Market. I do make friends with the gangsters. Most of the time; I am well aware that I would need to pay a little money for security of my shop and the areas around. This trip to Shanghai, I am sourcing for a business opportunity to start up my branch restaurant in Shanghai. I would very like to make friends with the Gang and especially AG, Da Ge if I have the honour.

I promise to make a lot of posting on mongering when I get there. Of course this is with the permission of the Gang.

Thank you very much in advance for the reply.

Cockburn

Yes, we are among the ranks of one of the most notorious gangs in Shanghai, right up there with the triads (in fact, they report to us on a weekly basis).

Membership requires tattoos across the entire back of a massive dragon breathing fireballs onto unsuspecting ISG forum newbies, huddled together, livid and coated in a fine layer of cold sweat.

If any of the members of the gang cross us, as deputy gang leader (yes, appointed by grand master, AG), I am personally responsible for the removal of the first joint on the left hand's smallest finger with a blunt butter knife.

Once you are a member, as I'm sure you can imagine, there really is no way to leave the gang.

You will be caught at the airport by one of our paid off minions, who will then return you to the gang headquaters (a small and otherwise discreet bar on Tongren Lu) where you will face His Majesty, the Great and Honourable AG for judgement.

If convicted, you can only imagine the incredible torment and pain you will be subjected to as Ooooh and Round Too inject chilli oil into your urethra, before torturing you in much more sadistic ways until death comes as a relief.

Albert Punter is actually a weapons specialist and known for providing some of the, let's call them, 'less than humane' methods of torture used by the gang.

David XXYZZ!CCTTYYZZ is the strategic logistics master, specialising in bringing forth the internet based wenches for the gangs' collective enjoyment.

Oscar Maradonna, on the whole, regularly resides in other dominions of the universe, but when with us is the resident house DJ, and writer of the more decadent and polished prose on the gang's outlandish adventures.

Welcome, Heir Cockburn, welcome... whoo hoo hoo, ha ha ha ha haaaaaa!!!!

Taipei Traveller
09-21-06, 10:53
Was in town briefly earlier this week, and must apologise to certain members of the gang who OAH had notified i was coming, but did not contact as I mislaid the piece of paper everything was written down on, will contact next time I am in town.

Managed to get along to Hengshan road on the second and my last night about 11pm, but found it to say the least a little quiet, normal I presume on the run up to the upcoming holidays, although there were several touts around.

On the way back to the hotel, i did spot a sauna place not to far from my hotel, so dropped in there for a little action, nothing special but it did relieve a little of the tension :D

Cocoroso
09-21-06, 10:56
Hello?
Next month, I am thinking of going to Shanghai for tour.

My question is Tianping hotel is girl friendly?

http://www.tianpinghotel.com/

Archie64
09-21-06, 11:48
Any info about City Hotel Shanghai?

Thanks

Round Two
09-21-06, 12:12
wow! i must have been gone for ages! i come back and i see that ag is now ace g.. and the sweetie at the massage parlor has now been activated and ready for duty.

ag: i think the gal is constantly thinking about you and her experience with you. the birthday present might have taken her over the top with regards to her emotions flying high. she may come back to realize that a relationship with you beyond friendship is what she ultimately wants later on. as for smooth talking internet cafe chatroom boys, she'll need to experience that and learn from it as well. my impression is that she's simply confused and received counsel from her peer(s) at work--the experts! she's not flying high and now is back on the ground after receiving her birthday present, thus has come to a conclusion that the age difference *might* be too great and will become an issue later on as she postulates "10 years from now..." she doesn't realize this, but i do.. both of you are at your prime! i still think that she's a keeper. give her a bit of time, and she'll come back to her senses, and back to you. but, i wouldn't be too surprised if you find another sweetie in the meantime. "note to self: find that sweetie before ag!"

Ace Gallant
09-21-06, 18:33
Hello?
Next month, I am thinking of going to Shanghai for tour.

My question is Tianping hotel is girl friendly?

http://www.tianpinghotel.com/


Any info about City Hotel Shanghai?

Thanks


Please read:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=486090&postcount=6252

And this:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=490896&postcount=6364

Enjoy!
AG

Ace Gallant
09-21-06, 18:37
wow! i must have been gone for ages! i come back and i see that ag is now ace g.. and the sweetie at the massage parlor has now been activated and ready for duty.

ag: i think the gal is constantly thinking about you and her experience with you. the birthday present might have taken her over the top with regards to her emotions flying high. she may come back to realize that a relationship with you beyond friendship is what she ultimately wants later on. as for smooth talking internet cafe chatroom boys, she'll need to experience that and learn from it as well. my impression is that she's simply confused and received counsel from her peer(s) at work--the experts! she's not flying high and now is back on the ground after receiving her birthday present, thus has come to a conclusion that the age difference *might* be too great and will become an issue later on as she postulates "10 years from now..." she doesn't realize this, but i do.. both of you are at your prime! i still think that she's a keeper. give her a bit of time, and she'll come back to her senses, and back to you. but, i wouldn't be too surprised if you find another sweetie in the meantime. "note to self: find that sweetie before ag!"

you have to come to shanghai more often and go out everynight plus spend at least 6 hours everynight in those places in order to catch those sweeties before me. if you spotted any, please tell me, i'll hand off!

ag

Mianbao
09-21-06, 19:37
wandered down wuding xi lu tonight, between wanhangdu lu and jiangsu lu. there are about four bbs on this street.

the one nearest jiangsu lu almost opposite the french restaurant is fs, went there are couple of times last year and the girls were about a 7, but the service mechanical. i think they have gone downhill since, last time i poked my head in the door they wanted me to take upstairs a chubby girl who looked like a zoo escapee. i think they were desperate to find itís first customer. this time looking through the glass there appeared to be one 7 and about three others who were downright fugly. they do have hj bbs setup downstairs but another area upstairs, which they told me about pretty much straight away the first time i was there. normal bbs pricing. i do remember one amusing moment with the girl answered her mobile during the act, thinking that was pretty rude i kept going, and amazing she kept going with the fake moans in between speaking, at one point clarifying to the caller that "yes i am at work...!".

tonight i first went into a bbs which is halfway along the block. it is a short squat building and the girls are very close to the pavement, in that if you swing the door open you might hit their legs. they are sitting facing the street, white lighting. there were four girls waiting, the best looking of which was about a 5. i took the one who had a slim figure and reasonable cleavage, but not a great looking face. one for the team...

inside are cubicles with curtains only, and they are pretty cramped. only room for a narrow bed and a floor for the girl to spit on (when you get up to leave make sure you put your shoes on pronto, unless you want gobs of spit hanging off your socks. remember this for any bbs that offers bj). girl was from hunan, struck a few of them recently so i wonder if they are trying to monopolise the fs segment of the market as the cuties from wenzhou seem to with hj's. she offered fs for rmb200, but i wanted bj, so settled on that for rmb130. however after a couple of minutes she seemed to start gagging (doubt it was real) and start complaining that my unit was too large and it hurt her mouth! have not heard that one before!

was not going to get a very good bj so half heartedly agreed to fs for rmb200. down came the panties, and out came a very disagreeable odour...no way little mianbao is going in that! therefore told her to put her panties back on and show me if she has any talent for the aviation industry instead, and promised she would still get her rmb130. was going to make her work for it though...

successfully held it in and made her give a very long hj, as each time she asked if i'd be done soon i became more determined to make her work for her money. eventually the mamasan called out to her that one of her regulars had walked in (how she could have regulars i don't know...), and decided to put her out of her misery.

will i return...ummm no.

walked back towards wanhangdu lu and into a small bbs with a circular neon sign outside, with the word "hair". there were two reasonable looking (large breasted) but grumpy girls inside. was taken to a very grotty side area which had a bed, and a curtain was pulled. fs was offered but i enquired about a bj. this was agreed but the price of rmb130 wasn't, so i left. it looked like the chances of getting a smile let alone a positive attitude were as likely as selling flavoured condoms to a nunnery, so i donít think i missed anything. this place might be interesting for anyone who wants to experience the most dirty and grotty bbs they can find.

didnít go in today but nearby is also a fs option on the corner of zhenning lu and wanhangdu lu, two doors away from a tyre workshop and next to a small property agency. it has a very narrow frontage so easy to miss. is not the hj place further around the corner. this place has rooms out the back, however the one i was shown last time was so small that unless you are a midget (i suppose they deserve their fun too) you would be limited to doggie. six months ago i followed a very cute 8 there from the convenience store another couple of doors away, however quality in there does seem variable.

while i think about it wuding lu between wanhangdu lu and wuning lu also have another fs bbs, it has been closed recently but has re-opened. last time i looked there were two girls waiting who were about a 7. wanhangdu lu north of wuding lu also has a couple of bbs, but you need to look sideways as they are down alleyways. have not sampled. there is a yes club disco in the area but the one time i looked in i came straight back out again wondering if it was a gay bar. further north towards changshou lu there is another night club with red interior, have not been there either so let me know if anyone knows anything.

therefore final piece of advice on wuding xi lu...go to xuanhua lu or changde lu.

cheers,

bread.

Mackin
09-21-06, 20:19
Will be in Shangai on Nov.9th through 12th. Anybody going to be around.

Levitian
09-22-06, 02:07
AG,

No, it wasn't on a Sunday or Monday, but Tuesday. Anyway, when I went there wednesday night, things were pretty much "back to normal", so maybe, it was a one-day gig, only.

I do agree, Shanghai in general is a rather safe playground. There are some clean-up routines (before the holidays, before any big international meeting and before any big Party event), and me for myself normally show a rather low profile during those periods. But, each to his own.

Levitian

Ace Gallant
09-22-06, 03:45
AG,

No, it wasn't on a Sunday or Monday, but Tuesday. Anyway, when I went there wednesday night, things were pretty much "back to normal", so maybe, it was a one-day gig, only.

I do agree, Shanghai in general is a rather safe playground. There are some clean-up routines (before the holidays, before any big international meeting and before any big Party event), and me for myself normally show a rather low profile during those periods. But, each to his own.

Levitian

I second on whatever you said.

AG

Lex Moon
09-23-06, 02:10
Checked in very late to a 2-3 star hotel recommended by a cab driver.

Since I was hungry for both food & pussy, I wondered out at around 12 midnight. Most shops were closed except some BBS. Checked out a few of them. Most of them look very dirty. Found one with a pretty young one. Upon close examination, she has lots of visible armpit hair. A major turn-off!

Walk thru about 5 BBS. As I wanted to gave up, an OK-looking gal walked out from a BBS facing the main road. Asked her if she is going home. She replied soon. Negotiated with her for LT. Started with 300 because she claimed she had special technique. Didn't believe her but agreed on 200. Took her back to hotel with no problem. The 2 female hotel receptionists just looked at me and smiled. Wish I can get them. Both very cute.

Once in room,
- talked a bit and then showered together.
- gave a good rub and massage during the shower.
- Washed my arse and my little guy for a very long time (maybe 5 mins).
- Scrubbed my back for another 5 mins. She was actually very caring.
- On the bed, she started with rimming (almost for 15-20 mins)
Very good technique
- then proceeded with a BBBJ. Yes. her techinique was very good.
Usually I can hold for a long time but couldn't last 5 mins with her.
Had to ask her to stop.
- now she said she will show me her special technique.
She wanted bareback but no way! I used my own condom.
Not sure what she meant, she mounted me.
Her pussy wasn't very wet.
To my surprised, she used her pussy to massage my little guy.
The feeling is difficult to describe but very relaxing & enjoyable.
Not sure how long she did it bec I was just lying there to enjoy it.
She then ride me slow and fast. Definitely a hardworking gal.
Finally unloaded and she hugged & rest beside me.

Complimented her technique and asked her age and how long she had been in the business. Age 26 and 12 yrs in the business! Wow that is long!

Did her only once because I was too tired.
Luckily, she did everything.
Face: 6/10
Body: 6/10
Skill: 9.5/10
Damage: 200 (she tried to ask for tips but I said no extra cash)

So if anyone meet a one who tells you that they have special technique, go and try. The only catch is that these gals are not young.



Not sure if I got the road spelt correctly.

Ace Gallant
09-23-06, 18:18
Ah....! Back to Shag Hai!

Nothing changed, TRL is still the regular self.....

Mock A Bee reported in that The "Not to be named" Bar is still that good!

My GFs are still as willing....

I................ oops... got to get back to her... report in later.

Last words... any newbies in town and want to meet up? The Gang having a Monthly General meeting tomorrow.

AG

Cebu Local
09-24-06, 02:03
Guys
If anybody is planning a Philippine holiday.Please PM me and I can book it under local Travel agent rates which should be 30-50% less then normal.This is not an ad,But a service that am willing to do for fellow China boarders at cost.Cheers

Canada
09-24-06, 02:42
First of 2 nights in Shanghai: Friday Night.

Went to Sashas for dinner. If you have never been to Sashas it is definately one of the better eating spots for quality of food and atmosphere. After dinner walked to Bourbon Street Bar about 10::PM. Band started about 10:15 and filled up immediately. Bourbon Street has its regulars about 20 that hang out in the bar area. Mostly 5-8 in quality but a couple of gems once in awhile. Had my eye on a couple but decided on a very cute one a missed out on once before named Joy. Body about 7 but looks about 10. Quoted 800RMB for 3-4 hours which is about standard there. One of the reasons I picked her is that he said that she gives great blow jobs and loves CIM.Always breaks the ice in any conversation. She was accurate on that sense as she was very skilled in the oral department. She did not swallow but she managed to keep me in her mouth for about 45 seconds after I came to suck out every last drop. Did not spill a drop. Average on the sex department but was GFE from the start. She will have a great career in China because that skill is needed.

Ace Gallant
09-24-06, 04:02
Guys
If anybody is planning a Philippine holiday.Please PM me and I can book it under local Travel agent rates which should be 30-50% less then normal.This is not an ad,But a service that am willing to do for fellow China boarders at cost.Cheers

CL,

Thanks for your offer. I contact you in my next Ph trip. My guy usually book me into Linden Suites near the Shangri-La Edsa and my rate are US$88 / night. I still found that it is high because a couple year ago my rate was US$55. But they keep adjusting upwards. Will you be able to get lower than that?

Thanks.
AG

Tasty1
09-24-06, 04:17
In spite of other comments about him, here is my take. Used his services for room service. He delivered as promised. It was easy since I was tired and had jet lag and did not feel like going hunting.

Cebu Local
09-24-06, 05:07
CL,

Thanks for your offer. I contact you in my next Ph trip. My guy usually book me into Linden Suites near the Shangri-La Edsa and my rate are US$88 / night. I still found that it is high because a couple year ago my rate was US$55. But they keep adjusting upwards. Will you be able to get lower than that?

Thanks.
AGHi AG
I will defenitely be able to get it lower,Alfred Reyes the GM is a personal friend.Let me know when in advance.The reason for the good mood and generosity is that my future father in law has just arranged for me to be the Philippine General Sales Agent of one of the largest Airlines in China.That will generate tens of thousands of dollars of net profit monthly.I have Chinese Tour Groups this national day holiday that I am bringing to Cebu and Boracay.So I can afford to sell packages at no profit to SENIOR China boarders.Cheers

Canada
09-24-06, 11:15
Saturday night Day 2 in Shanghai:

My partner and I went for dinner and then to a KTV supposedly better than the standard KTV in China. It was unbelievable. Apparentlythere are only 2 like it in Shanghai and 1 in Beijing. Place was unmarked, no sign and not on a main street.Basically for Chinese only. Not as fancy as regular KTV but similar room. Brought out about 25 girls in a line. We picked out 6 of which 3 were model type and 1 unbelievable. Not much singing, started playing traditional dice game for drinks. Were told right up front that touching everywhere was allowed and encouraged and my date started with putting my hands on her breasts and hers down my pants. These girls started GFE immediately. Next came a new dice game. Not sure of the rules but included being blindfolded and having to touch the breast of all 6 girls until I could pick out my date, Licking girls breasts, pussy shots completely nude, girls blindfolded touching the dicks of everybody to find their partner and lots of beer drinking. Ended with everyone dancing men with no shirts and girls with panties only. All the girls were putting their hands down my pants and expected the same as we danced. We were in there for about 3 hours, not sure what costs were as the Chinese company paid for it also paid the exit fee of $200USD each for all night. The girl I chose spoke a little English and explained we were the first non Chinese that she had seen in the place but had only been there 50 days. I was her first non Chinese and she was very honored. Went 3 rounds with her until she was to sore to continue but wanted to end it with CIM. All oral was uncovered. Unbelievable GFE experience and my partner said his was the same experience. Has anyone else experienced this kind of club? I have travelled and experienced alot but this was the best.

Mianbao
09-24-06, 12:06
Gents,

Following a report by Shanghai Jack a couple of months ago I have now made the Royal Silver Spring Sauna at the Hengsheng Peninsula International my regular sauna. This is after it compared well with Shanghai Hotel (2nd best in my opinion), the old Waves and Yu Ping.

The facilities are spotless, service is very good and the attendants leave you alone as soon as you say you will dry/change etc on your own. The free food offerings in the waiting area are also very good, both western and chinese food is available. HBO is usually on the big screen so I usually go around dinner time and have a toasted sandwich in front of a movie before being led to the massage room.

There is also a TV screen (showing channel V last time) in the shower area in front of the hot pool.

The first time I went I enjoyed a Guizhou hottie who had moved up from Shenzhen. To my great disappointment she has now gone back - I would have happily made her my regular as GFE service was great, and I would rate her a 9, with a very distinctive yet attractive look. Second time I was shown two lineups of 7's, before settling on another Guizhou native. This one got my attention with a fantastic big smile as soon as she walked in, which made it no contest with the other option standing next to her, despite being a bit shorter and not quite as good looking. Expecting a great attitude, I was not to be disappointed. As soon as the door closed I got a very long embrace, before service started. There is an unusual extra touch at the beginning of the routine here in that they will turn on a kind of disco light and do a sexy dance, slowly stripping out of the small amount of clothing they have on. You might find this more amusing than sexy, but oh well it is something different. Anyway on this second visit I allowed her to skip it. Usual breast and body massage follows before being flipped over for BBBJ, followed by FS. There are no red ropes however I have completely forgotten about them anyway...

What sets this place apart is the terrific BBBJ and GFE attitude, which I have had from both girls. On my third visit I stuck with the same girl as the second visit, and I will be happy visiting her for a while.

Another thing which is good is that it is not too crowded (hope this post does not change that too much!), each time I have been I have usually passed one or two other customers in the changing area, one or two showering and one or two in the waiting lounge. Waiting times are about 30mins but not sure why.

Shanghai Jack paid RMB750 on his visit, I was given a VIP card when exiting the first time and pay RMB700. Tell the manager in blue in the waiting area that Mianbao sent you and she will quite likely get a discount (there are two such managers, the one that looks after me is Miss Li, English name starts with N). Senior members PM me for her mobile.

Location is fourth floor of the Hengsheng Peninsula International Hotel, 205 Wusong Lu, north of the Bund across Suzhou River. Phone 61205358. You can either walk through the lobby to the elevator or there is a side entrance to the elevator lobby next to a airline ticket office on the side of the building if I remember correctly.

According to the business card I have there is another branch in ChangNing district, have not been but phone number is 62288282.

Bonzo1
09-24-06, 15:45
Canada

Sounds like fantastic time! What's the name/location of this place?

B


Saturday night Day 2 in Shanghai:

My partner and I went for dinner and then to a KTV supposedly better than the standard KTV in China. It was unbelievable. Apparentlythere are only 2 like it in Shanghai and 1 in Beijing. Place was unmarked, no sign and not on a main street.Basically for Chinese only. Not as fancy as regular KTV but similar room. Brought out about 25 girls in a line. We picked out 6 of which 3 were model type and 1 unbelievable. Not much singing, started playing traditional dice game for drinks. Were told right up front that touching everywhere was allowed and encouraged and my date started with putting my hands on her breasts and hers down my pants. These girls started GFE immediately. Next came a new dice game. Not sure of the rules but included being blindfolded and having to touch the breast of all 6 girls until I could pick out my date, Licking girls breasts, pussy shots completely nude, girls blindfolded touching the dicks of everybody to find their partner and lots of beer drinking. Ended with everyone dancing men with no shirts and girls with panties only. All the girls were putting their hands down my pants and expected the same as we danced. We were in there for about 3 hours, not sure what costs were as the Chinese company paid for it also paid the exit fee of $200USD each for all night. The girl I chose spoke a little English and explained we were the first non Chinese that she had seen in the place but had only been there 50 days. I was her first non Chinese and she was very honored. Went 3 rounds with her until she was to sore to continue but wanted to end it with CIM. All oral was uncovered. Unbelievable GFE experience and my partner said his was the same experience. Has anyone else experienced this kind of club? I have travelled and experienced alot but this was the best.

Ace Gallant
09-24-06, 16:08
Saturday night Day 2 in Shanghai:

My partner and I went for dinner and then to a KTV supposedly better than the standard KTV in China. It was unbelievable. Apparentlythere are only 2 like it in Shanghai and 1 in Beijing. Place was unmarked, no sign and not on a main street.Basically for Chinese only. Not as fancy as regular KTV but similar room. Brought out about 25 girls in a line. We picked out 6 of which 3 were model type and 1 unbelievable. Not much singing, started playing traditional dice game for drinks. Were told right up front that touching everywhere was allowed and encouraged and my date started with putting my hands on her breasts and hers down my pants. These girls started GFE immediately. Next came a new dice game. Not sure of the rules but included being blindfolded and having to touch the breast of all 6 girls until I could pick out my date, Licking girls breasts, pussy shots completely nude, girls blindfolded touching the dicks of everybody to find their partner and lots of beer drinking. Ended with everyone dancing men with no shirts and girls with panties only. All the girls were putting their hands down my pants and expected the same as we danced. We were in there for about 3 hours, not sure what costs were as the Chinese company paid for it also paid the exit fee of $200USD each for all night. The girl I chose spoke a little English and explained we were the first non Chinese that she had seen in the place but had only been there 50 days. I was her first non Chinese and she was very honored. Went 3 rounds with her until she was to sore to continue but wanted to end it with CIM. All oral was uncovered. Unbelievable GFE experience and my partner said his was the same experience. Has anyone else experienced this kind of club? I have travelled and experienced alot but this was the best.

Canada,

A post like this without details like the name of KTV and Address is as good as not posting as it does not helps fellow mongers to find this KTV or to miss it. Kindly add a little more details if you wish to share it or else must as well don't post.

Thanks
AG

South Gate
09-24-06, 16:45
i live in beijing but come to shanghai occasionally. on friday at about 10 pm i arrived and stayed at this hotel across the street from the jing an temple on nanging lu. have to say that the hotel is lacking somewhat considering the price (250 per nite) it is not as nice as motel 168 which is cheaper but is centrally located. i was on the 6th floor. i noticed that there was a sauna on this floor as soon as i got off the elevator. changed clothes and headed down the hall to the sauna.

typical sauna with shower, hot and cold pools, guy who scrapes the skin off your back for 40 rmb and the massage. the massage was provided by a lady of about 27 years, maybe about a 6 in appearance. it was a massage, not sex but half way through, she asked me my room number. i told her "609". she brought a paper and asked me to write it which i did. then she covered up the zero and asked me what that was. to shorten the rest of the story. she knocked on my door at about midnite. full service with blow job for 400. not really the greatest, but i slept well afterwards.

shanghai is so full of sex. sex is everywhere. it comes to you. you dont have to look.

Dragon D
09-25-06, 08:25
Heya all,

In my travels in Shanghai servicing people I have compiled a small list of girl friendly hotels as follows:

1) Crowne Plaza Holiday inn on Pan Yu road
2) Hilton near Jinan Temple
3) Purple Mountain in Pudong
4) Hua Ting Hotel
5) Regal Shaghai on Heng Shan road

The above locations are where I find that no one has had trouble with. Number one on the list being the easiest one with no hassle at almost anytime of day.

Dragon D
09-25-06, 08:30
I have had a couple of PM's the last couple of weeks asking me if I knew where there was and STD clinic in Shanghai. In response, I have found a doctor that will make house calls to fix any problems you may have. These include both female and male issues and not just related to sexual issues. Birth control cervix rings etc also done. This is not something I make money on, just my contribution to the brotherhood to keep us all safe. PM me if you are having problems and would rather not line up at a hospital and try to tell the doc what is wrong.
Keep playing and be safe.

Blacklisted
09-25-06, 08:57
Yesterday at my local happy ending massage place, I was having the usual sex related chat with my masseuse and happened to ask her if there were similar services available for girls.

To my surprise she told me that there is a place in Hongqiao (where she actually used to work) that basically provided multiple orgasms for women.

The thought of her bringing countless other women to orgasm was quite inspiring to my own happy ending.

Apparently these services are a little more expensive, around 6-700 Kuai and she also mentioned the time is longer than the standard 90 minute massage.

Not really helpful info for you guys, but it peaked my interest and imagination so I thought it might be interesting to share.

I asked if they're hiring, but apparantly not. She also said the training is quite intense after I asked if I could practice on her, and that until I had mastered the technique, there was no way I was getting anywhere near her love buttons.

Damn!

Botboy
09-25-06, 09:55
Dragonís post about STD clinics came at a time where I just received my blood test, and for my first report, rather than tell you about a Sauna that I visited, of which all of you would know the name of since I havenít been to one yet that wasnít reported here first, I will tell you about my recent experience.

Its easy to forget about the danger here reading the reports on this site. Where only the good details are mentioned, where fellow ISG members do BB sex and BJ with impunity, it makes you think, hey I only do BBJ, so I must be safe. And then your penis start to itch a little, and then you start to get a bit panicked. And then if you are anything like me, who had just enough medical training to turn you into a hypochondriac, you realize that you havenít had a blood test in a year, and could that fever last month you had be seroconversion.

But now that you are in a strange city and you donít have your reliable STD clinic that you go to back where ever you are from. So you discreetly look around, mostly on the internet. World Link Health is one that is often mentioned for Expats (64455999) So you all them up, and you ask about prices and details.

Well, 3,000 for a full battery of test and another 2,000 for doctor consultation fee. (the quote is from the phone help desk with mediocre English, so it may not be all correct) That sounds a bit steep, but what the hey, its for a peace of mind. So sure, especially since they have that 30 minutes HIV test thing. But wait a minute, they say, make sure you bring your Passport. Why the hell would I want to bring my passport, do I really want someone, anyone in Shanghai to have the information that I had a STD test. God forbids you actually come up positive with something. So the hell with that.

Next I turned to the local medicine option. (I speak fluent Chinese, including Shanghaineese, so the following may not apply to everyone else. I found Shanghai Skin and Sexual Disease Hospital, there Chinese website is http://www.skin-std.sh.cn/. Itís a 10 minute cab ride from where I am, so I decided to give it a try. Itís a small hospital, more of a clinic than anything else. You walk in the main gate and immediately on your left is a window where you will pick up a patient history booklet. You fill in your name, number, sex, and DOB, and then you take that to pay for a magnetic card, and you consultation fee. All that comes to about 21 RMB, then you go into the back to the STD clinic. You hand you booklet to the register nurse and wait amongst 5 Ė 10 other anxious Chinese people. There is Male side and a Female Side, and as the Doctor is ready for you, the nurse will hand you back your booklet so you can go into a examination room. Now, periodically people that the doctor who have sent away for a test of some sort will just walk right back to discuss their case with that doctor. If you happened to be in there already, they will just stand right there at the door and listen you as you discuss the color of your penis. So privacy is not exactly ensured. However, there is a private examination area, so nobody but the doctor get to see your penis.

So the doctor examines you, and tell you, nothing to worry about, its just something fungal, he proscribe you 2 cream and a solution you will have to clean with on a daily basis. Before you leave you ask for a blood test, sure, they will test three different thing in one shot. (not sure what they tested.) You can pick up your test tomorrow afternoon.

So after an anxious 24 hours, and everything is negative, and you feel invincible all over again.

So, here are two options for anyone else who felt the same panic that I did this weekend.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Albert Punter
09-25-06, 13:06
Blacklisted,

What an intriguing chat you embark while you end.

As I am very open and modern, I believe women deserve same rights of men. So, ...

Anyhow, that is definitely a place the Gang should explore.
I am willing to pay to get inside such a venue.

Hidden behind curtains we may learn a lot, other than enjoy some nice real show.
Also, we may strengthen our self-control, as to remain behind those curtains will require the highest effort.



Yesterday at my local happy ending massage place, I was having the usual sex related chat with my masseuse and happened to ask her if there were similar services available for girls.

To my surprise she told me that there is a place in Hongqiao (where she actually used to work) that basically provided multiple orgasms for women.

The thought of her bringing countless other women to orgasm was quite inspiring to my own happy ending.

Apparently these services are a little more expensive, around 6-700 Kuai and she also mentioned the time is longer than the standard 90 minute massage.

Not really helpful info for you guys, but it peaked my interest and imagination so I thought it might be interesting to share.

I asked if they're hiring, but apparantly not. She also said the training is quite intense after I asked if I could practice on her, and that until I had mastered the technique, there was no way I was getting anywhere near her love buttons.

Damn!

Blacklisted
09-26-06, 05:36
I will endeavour to determine the location of said female MP.

Apparantly they do not do men there, although they have both male and female masseuse (s?).

Also, if we do have the odd female reader, they might be interested in a few multiple orgasms at the hands of professionals.

I myself, certainly cannot be arsed to rub some chicks clit for 2 hours.

Ace Gallant
09-26-06, 10:10
I will endeavour to determine the location of said female MP.

Apparantly they do not do men there, although they have both male and female masseuse (s?).

Also, if we do have the odd female reader, they might be interested in a few multiple orgasms at the hands of professionals.

I myself, certainly cannot be arsed to rub some chicks clit for 2 hours.

Can I enlist myself as a Male Masseuse there? I am sure I do not have a problem in bringing multiple orgasms with my fingers!!! :D

AG

Taipei Traveller
09-26-06, 10:24
I will endeavour to determine the location of said female MP.

Apparantly they do not do men there, although they have both male and female masseuse (s?).

Also, if we do have the odd female reader, they might be interested in a few multiple orgasms at the hands of professionals.

I myself, certainly cannot be arsed to rub some chicks clit for 2 hours.Now that would be a nice part time way of earning some money, wonder if the women ever want the real thing or just the toys etc that might be used. :D

Blacklisted
09-26-06, 10:49
Hey all,

Thanks Dave for the Cialis last trip, now I'm hooked on the stuff. Fucking great!!! I was buzzing for a week and never had so much control over my dick. I could think 'get hard' and up it goes. You basically walk around in a semi-aroused state. Not sure about the long term effects or if you develop a tolerance, but have been on the hunt to get some here in China and I thought some of you might be interested in the results. I have not actually purchased any yet and from the research I've done,this is a highly risky process as over 50% out there is fake, so I guess if there is any english on the box, might be wise to check for poor spelling, grammar, etc. for an indicaton or authenticity. I also heard the Cialis might be an orange colour here in an attempt to disuade pirates.

Found this on a site called Danwei, published last year:


Cialis hits stores across the country in June according to an announcement on 31 May by Eli Lilly. It competes for the erectile dysfunction yuan with Viagra and Levitra, which entered China in 2000 and 2004, respectively.

When Viagra was introduced, it was colloquially called 伟哥, wěigē, or "great elder-brother". Though inspired by its phonetic similarity to "viagra", this name now refers to all ED drugs, with the big three called 洋伟哥, "great western elder-brothers".

Their registered names are quite similar to each other, referencing power, love, and potential even as they maintain a superficial phonetic resemblence to their English counterparts:
Viagra: 万艾可, wŗn'ŗikě
Levitra: 艾力达, ŗilždŠ
Cialis: 希爱力, xīŗilž


I'll follow up later on whether the hunt in stores was successful and location etc.

Round
09-26-06, 18:48
Just arrive in shanghai and my eyes have been opened to the beauty of asian girls. Now, I had a scout around on the web and found www.escortschina.com and there appear to be many incredible women on it. I have looked on this web but nobody seems to mention it! Is it legit? Does anybody have any experiences of it or can recomend somewhere else to find beautiful women.

Please help a novice in Shanghai who needs a hot asian girl to damper his break up!

Thanks

Eazy Guy
09-26-06, 18:53
dear bro,

I am new to shanghai, wish to know about the hangout areas in this metro. will appreciate who could direct me. I wish to know about the places to go and also the pricing. I heard from some locals that there are a few well known KTV at changshou rd, such as tian shang ren jian, di hao, crystal and etc. I belief that a lot of bros out there have been to those names so mind to share your experiences? if any1 would like to hang arround together, I am a chinese from Malaysia, looking forward to meet any bros from ISG.

thanks~

Ace Gallant
09-26-06, 19:23
dear bro,

I am new to shanghai, wish to know about the hangout areas in this metro. will appreciate who could direct me. I wish to know about the places to go and also the pricing. I heard from some locals that there are a few well known KTV at changshou rd, such as tian shang ren jian, di hao, crystal and etc. I belief that a lot of bros out there have been to those names so mind to share your experiences? if any1 would like to hang arround together, I am a chinese from Malaysia, looking forward to meet any bros from ISG.

thanks~

Easy Guy,

I think as a senior member you should have had RTFF. The answers you needed basically are all posted in this thread. I don't think it make sense for us to repost all these answers. I think you should use the search function on the top right hand side of the thread and search for KTV, Chang Shou Lu, Shui Jing Gong, etc.... All the prices, addresses and even some names of mama san are there.

As for meeting some members, I suggest you PM those you have in mind, invite them via PM, rather than posting general invite to all those reading the forum. This way it is more effective because it does not make oe feels that they are deperate to meet another member from ISG.

As you may find that majority of the members on the Shanghai Thread are reasonable nice people but who would not hesitiate "gunning" lazy or idiots members.

Enjoy Shag Hai!
AG

Eazy Guy
09-26-06, 20:04
dear AG,

you are absolutely right, I am here alone so that is why I wish to meet bros over here to hang arround. I do not have any ideas who I want to meet as I am not a VIP so I have no right to choose who I wish to meet in life. I wish there is something like a tea session for all bros out there, so we could meet up and have beer for one or two.

thanks for your reply, I guess you must be one of the senior members who knows shanghai very well. I am just new here, when I was in Malaysia, I like to hang arround those KTVs and I like PRC a lot~ and this is the reason why I wish to know more about KTVs in shanghai.

cheers~

ez

Eaglestar
09-27-06, 01:19
Viagra: 万艾可, wŗn'ŗikě
Levitra: 艾力达, ŗilždŠ
Cialis: 希爱力, xīŗilž


I'll follow up later on whether the hunt in stores was successful and location etc.

Viagra (the real deal, not generic) is easily available at most Watsons in SH. It comes packaged one tablet to a box for RMB95 or five to a box for RMB495. I have yet to find Levitra or Cialis. If anyone finds a source for either I would like to know about it.

ES

Ace Gallant
09-27-06, 02:29
Just arrive in shanghai and my eyes have been opened to the beauty of asian girls. Now, I had a scout around on the web and found www.escortschina.com and there appear to be many incredible women on it. I have looked on this web but nobody seems to mention it! Is it legit? Does anybody have any experiences of it or can recomend somewhere else to find beautiful women.

Please help a novice in Shanghai who needs a hot asian girl to damper his break up!

Thanks

Do not believe in those photos posted on this site, most of them are stolen from some porn sites. There are only a few real PROs on this site and these real ones are real ripped off too.

My advice: We are better off RTFF

AG

Blacklisted
09-27-06, 05:22
Viagra (the real deal, not generic) is easily available at most Watsons in SH. It comes packaged one tablet to a box for RMB95 or five to a box for RMB495. I have yet to find Levitra or Cialis. If anyone finds a source for either I would like to know about it.

ES


I will update you all with any information that comes my way. I have already found Viagra last night in the first chemist I walked into. Your prices are spot on, and I bought the 5 pack. Checked all the stuff and definitely looks legit.

Asked them about Cialis and they had never heard about it. I will probably try some of the bigger chemists, but I have a feeling this one will be tricky.

Santa
09-27-06, 07:49
The government in India allows it's pharmacies to copy western drugs without penalties. The best generics are available from www.xlpharmacy.com The pills will ship from India in a few weeks. I don't know about China, but they will ship into the US without problems.

Archie64
09-27-06, 08:19
Hi Guys,

I'am going to stay at City Hotel.Any avaliable information about it?

Thanks

Ace Gallant
09-27-06, 09:15
Hi Guys,

I'am going to stay at City Hotel.Any avaliable information about it?

Thanks

Dear Mr. Archie,

Thank You for using ISG helpdesk service, your enquires on 20/9, 21/9 and 27/9 from your 3 post on ISG is receiving our attention at the moment. As we are not fulltime travellers who will go and try out each and every hotel, out of the 5000 over hotels in Shanghai, we apologized for not be able to provide timely information in this aspect.

However we would strongly advise you to do a search of the Shanghai thread for further information on ďCity HotelĒ as you may find the results surprising and rewarding.

Please feel free to contact ISG Helpdesk again and have a great Shagging time in Shag Hai!

On behalf of the free and nothing else better to do team: Thank You.
AG

Round
09-27-06, 09:47
So if escortschina is no good. where can I fond model quality girls? Any ideas? Any experiences? These asian girls are making me horny as hell.

Thanks