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Lucky888
04-15-03, 19:12
blank,

i'm part time in bay area, part time over here. wasn't doing any background check or anything....just remember reading some quality posts about mv, sj and pa area scene from you.

if you want to go to maoming lu, you get in a cab, and say, "maoming lu; wo yao pijiu" (more phonetically, that's mow-ming lu, wo yow peejoh.). it means, take me to maoming lu, i want some beer. trust me, the cabbie will take you exactly where you want to go. the scene there is quiet until wed. or thursday nights, and then after 10pm. i've never been fond of the pro-level of the girls there, so i can't say much more.

julu lu, (walking distance from hilton) is very active, very late into the night. last fall i was out there with some friends until 6am, and even then, there were still girls inside and just outisde the bars looking for a bed for the night (or morning!). as i was with some foreign female friends, i didn't survey the prices. the goods on displayed ranged from 4 or 5 up to 7, but we didn't even get to julu lu until maybe 2:30am or so, after most of the other bars had closed.

if you haven't been to hard rock cafe (tell the cabbie to take you to portmann hotel, that's "baaallta-man" phonetically), you should check it out at least once. you'll find a good selection of english speaking girls, which can be nice once in while, when you're tired of hand waving and struggling with mandarin. it's got live music and is busier on a more regular basis....i.e when maoming is quiet on mon and tues nights, you can find a girl at hrc. the action there starts at 9:30 or so, and best quality is available before 11pm, but last time there on a wednesday i found a fun spirited girl that was asking 800 for "massage". i didn't inquire for any details, though, as was just out for a late dinner of american food.

peace.

Lucky888
04-15-03, 19:21
Oh, on the subject of SW in Shanghai.... I've seen a couple candidates and picked up one; both in the same night. The last time I went to Hard Rock, I went via subway. Walking from the station to the HRC, I passed a stunner and locked eyes with her. Not really thinking she was SW, I keep crossing the street; when I reached other side, I woke up but couldn't locate her again.

Then after leaving HRC that night about 1am, I decided to take a stroll to see if I could find any goods. I found a girl sitting in front of plaza66 shopping mall on a bench, thumbing away on her mobile phone. I looked her and she said "hi" as I walked. I went over and sat down and talked to her for a while. While she played the game, she was also a pretty smart girl with near perfect english. Eventually she said she wanted to come back to my hotel room. She turned out to have enormous natural Ds and a fun personality, not to mention a really wet treasure box once we got hot under the covers. Unfortunately, she had the major adominal scars that a few other mongers have reported seeing on girls in China (I still don't know the reason/cause of the scars). She said she normally takes $200 USD or more, but I think I paid 120 or so for all night. She was high class in personality and style, not exactly SW, more like escort style and very interested in providing GFE.

Levitian
04-16-03, 03:03
lucky888

Re: the scars

These scars actually are not that mysterious. Tampons do not have a very long history in China. They basically only were introduced to China in 1995. In many rural areas, they still are not in use.
Before the tampon came to China and still in some areas, girls did/do use the 'traditional Chinese method' to prevent the monthly bledding from leaking: fix a towel with strips around the hips. The scars are coming from the strips.

Member #4198
04-16-03, 08:28
Levitian:

come on, man. you dont really think scars can be left from fixing some towels around a girl's hip, right? I believe these scars are left from giving birth to a child, C-section. and yes, they are ugly!

All:

I thought we already got over the Maoming Lu thing from reading some recent posts from puxilove and so forth. BTW, "Lu" means "Street" in chinese. Maoming Lu is perpendicular to FuXing Lu and very near the New JinJiang Hotel, which is a chinese-run 5-star hotel and also the Garden Hotel, a Japanese-run 5-star hotel. but others are right, tell a cabbie and you cannot miss it.

Being white (sorry no offense to asian or african american folks as I am also asian american) has already given you a head start. For some reasons, asian girls love white guys, (good for you guys), if you ever travel to Japan, you will know what I mean. I never mention about Southeast asians (SEA) as I think thai, vietmanese, singaporean girls are not nearly as good looking as East aisans (chinese, japanese and korean). so, have fun in shanghai, hehe.. I know I will.

goldwind

DavidC
04-16-03, 08:42
agree with you goldwind
sometimes I think I'm discriminated against in my
own damn continent

also agree with you about the SEA thing, must
be an asian preference, I know tons of white dudes
who go crazy over dark skin asian girls

BlnkNameCruiser
04-16-03, 09:49
I picked up a SW in Beijing who I watched push away every Asian guy that approached her. She told me she never dates Asians. I also had the same experience in the US with black girls who said they never date black men. They are probably just a few who have had bad personal experiences.

I also think that there is an attraction to SEA since they seem more exotic looking, even though that same look tothe Chinese is interpreted as low class..... that sure proves that beauty is in the eye of the beholder...

I plan to try to find Maoming lu. I will report back.
blanknamecruiser

Member #4198
04-16-03, 13:20
hey, dudes

here are some info I want to share with fellow hobbists, may not be directly related to finding chicks, but I think will help in your navigating this 16-million-people city.

I am in Shanghai for 2 weeks starting end of April. If you want to hunt together.

1). cabs: 4 big taxi companies in Shanghai, recognizable by the taxi color. If you go with one of these, no need to worry you might be ripped off or taken on a detour while going from point A to point B. They are: white (JinJiang company), yellow (QiangSheng company), blueish green (DaZhong company) and green (BaShi company). Always ask for a receipt so the taxi driver knows that you know his license number and so forth; thus, even if you left something in the car, it is their responsibility to get that to you. Taxi service in Shanghai is 10X better than that in US, I believe.

2). If you try to ask these cabbies where to find girls, YMMV as it is a serious crime for pimping even if they dont collect a fee from you. These guys have a regular family to feed, wife and kid, so they will not want to get in trouble.

3). An average citizen in Shanghai (the most expensive city in China) earns a monthly salary of RMB 1500-2000. So, these girls in Hard Rock Cafe (HRC) or Maoming Lu making ~RMB1000 a pop are making pretty good money. The fairly high price is due much more to those idiotic and money-flashing TW and HK men than to foreigners. In southern China (ZhuHai, DongGuan, smallers cities near GuangZhou and HK), it is standard 2/5/8 in KTVs. That is, tipping for sitting with you RMB200, short time (FS) RMB500 and overnight RMB800. Things in Shanghai are much more complicated.

4). A link to some advertised profiles can be found at: (by no means I am promoting them) just thought might be useful for some folks when they start out

http://www.outcall.net/other/asia.shtml

5). Has anyone else had experience with Anne (LaFilleChinoise) and Chineselilly?

ciao,

goldwind

Papadum
04-16-03, 16:30
Hi Goldwind:

Are you new to China?
The link you have provided in your posting refers to Shifen in Shanghai and Kitty in Beijing and there were too much discussion o fhtem on this board previously. Guys could read the old postings.
And your infomation on demographic in China are also wrong regarding income level, and Shanghai as the most expensive city in China..... that doesn't matter though....

smile.

Lucky888
04-16-03, 18:38
Goldwind:
Correction: "Lu" means "road." "Jie" means "street"
And the Garden hotel is not among the nicer 5 star hotels. It draws a good crowd but mostly from it's reputation of better days. I've heard the New JinJiang is quite nice.

You can find info on Lily in these boards, esp on Beijing board. Do a search.

Please don't anyone bring up Shifen again. We're on a roll with good info (fresh perspectives and some good detailed reports) here the last couple weeks. Let's keep the positive momentum.

Lucky888
04-16-03, 18:47
Update: Suzhou KTV girl / free

Some of you may have read my post of a few days ago regarding my free KTV GFE find. Thought I'd post a quick update that the free lovin' is flowing, and that her first night's timidness was either influenced by alcohol or else she was just a bit intimidated. Spent an afternoon in the park with her then she came over after work for another LT night and GFE. Much more agressive and uninhibited this time around. What a find! These gems ARE out there, and waiting for you to polish them...just be patient.

Jman90024
04-16-03, 19:48
Originally posted by lucky888
Update: Suzhou KTV girl / free

Some of you may have read my post of a few days ago regarding my free KTV GFE find. Thought I'd post a quick update that the free lovin' is flowing, and that her first night's timidness was either influenced by alcohol or else she was just a bit intimidated. Spent an afternoon in the park with her then she came over after work for another LT night and GFE. Much more agressive and uninhibited this time around. What a find! These gems ARE out there, and waiting for you to polish them...just be patient.

From my experience, "Free is most expensive." I have a couple experiences with girls from KTV or babershops. When they start giving you free treats, be careful. Chinese girls became very dependent once they start thinking the "relationship" is going somewhere. I am not sure if this would apply to you white folks but it's certainly the case for Chinese ethnic. When they start to call you "lao gong," it won't be easy to end. I always find some excuse to give the girls money to keep this "professional." Enjoy the GFE but don't carry it too far.

This is just me or the board has similar experience to share?

Jumbo88
04-16-03, 21:39
I agree with jman90024.

If she is shanghainese, suzhou local, at age of 19 or so. Be careful dude! These girls are getting smarter and smarter by the day. some of them may look "innocent" but you would not believe how complex their thoughts are. Discount every word she says.

If she is from a more rural like enviroment, by judging your posts, you should be okay to handle them. Most likely you just gave her a nice orgasm, the kind of sex she never had, and asking for more. 10 years experience talking here. Even if no $ issue involved, some of these girls do tend to cling and drag like what jman said.

my suggestion:

1. Eitherway, let her know that you are playing around and stuff. Do "the live for the moment talk". It usually works.

2. Lay out the ground rules if you want this thing to last. If she is worth keeping. I use to keep like 2-3 on hand ready for either companionship to diners, dancing and...

3. Get her some simple gift (nothing expensive, small stuff like a teddy bear). Read my hangzhou experience post in the south china and shanghai section.

Take care! Enjoy it while it lasts. remember: Freebies "could" turn out to be quite expensive.

Member #4198
04-16-03, 22:00
I feel I have to clear the air about a few things. sorry for the spam, but if you have personal issues with me, you can email me directly instead of spamming the entire site.

Papadum:

1). I am not the one who brought up shifen, you however are the one who brought up her in your post. I have never seen shifen nor have any opinion about her. I know some of you detest her greatly, but please keep those as your opinions only and NOT speak for others. Since you cannot even stand any link with shifen's information on it, what you gonna do next? Since shifen lives in Shanghai and China, you will cease to come to Shanghai and China, respectively because she lives there? grow up, man.

2). Again, as a native shanghainese who lived most of my life in US and who have come across people of all walks of life in Shanghai, I believe my assessment of Shanghai people's financial status is accurate. I welcome all feedback and I love those who would refute me on solid ground. However, it is exactly the solid ground (or any grounds for that matter of fact) that I do not see in your frivolous denouncing of my opinion.

Lucky888:

1). see my feedback to Papadum #1.

2). You are talking to a native Chinese and English speaker here hobbying in Shanghai for 10+ years here. so, get off of my back about the difference between "Lu" and "Jie". What are you? Norm Chomsky now? come on, gimme a break.

3). I mentioned Garden Hotel and New JinJiang Hotel so people would know where Maoming Lu is. So, buddy, please figure out what you want to say before saying it. Who cares about your opinion about these two hotels? But, honestly, you got them backwards anyway as Garden Hotel is still one of the best run and most expensive hotels in Shanghai whilst New JinJiang hotel only got the 5-star rating for it is purely run by Chinese and quite cheap for a 5-star hotel. again, just IMHO. I have lived in both hotels and I wonder if you just HEARD someone telling you what now becomes your opinions about these two hotels. (I am not promoting Garden Hotel here)

4). That lilly I mentioned is in Shanghai, got it? So, why would I go to the Beijing site to look for her information? Again, you gotta think before you say something stupid out of your mouth.

I understand Shanghai most likely much more than you two, and I wish to share some real information with fellow hobbists and NOT some of your encounters or experiences. What gives?

I am gonna stop here. I am sure you will need to vent your side of reasoning (or lack of), I will let you do so and I will NOT respond to your frivolous accusations anymore unless they are framed in an intelligent way.

yours,

goldwind

Apac Boy
04-17-03, 00:41
tapioca's decided to go live in shanghai, at least for 2 years.

2 reasons: 1) closer to bangkok, 2) shanghainese gurlz are hotties

goldwind,
since u live there, can u help me with some of the living conditions there? much appreciated...
can i email u?

tapioca1688@hotmail.com

tapioca

Levitian
04-17-03, 07:50
Tapioca:

Good decision, doubtful reasons! Yet, Shanghai is a hot place.

Goldwind:
As you speak Chinese, just ask the girls about the scars. I did that once, and the answer was the one I posted. Besides, those scares I mean are all over the hipps, normally not there where you place a knife for a Ceacarian. We might talk about different scars, don't we?:-)

I do like your answers to Papadum and Lucky888. If you give tips you don't expect and really don't need to be taught about it.
Further, your estimation about average income of Shanghainese is pretty accurate. Shanghai is the most expensive city in China, but we are talking about all Shanghainese, not only those who can afford to go to western bars and have a beer for 60CNY and more.
And Shifen ... Everybody has his own taste, and Shifen certainly will please some, while other rather prefer petites. So, guys, leave that girl alone, it is courageous enough of her advertising with such clear photos. Hope she won't get any trouble.

Lily, LaFille Chinoise:
I really don't think these girls are worth the money they ask for their service. I never had the pleasure with one of them. Don't like this "only for the priviliged" bullshit both of them do advertize in their websides. Anne, the francophile Chinese girl, is also not a real beauty. She sent me a photo once. Talked to her once on the phone, before she had her webside ... a really strange chicken, at least at the phone. This was back in the times, when she was more "for the broad masses".

Be good!

Levitian

Insider001
04-17-03, 10:55
I checked Chineselilly and Anne's websites, at least from the pictures there, I must say they don't look attractive to me at all, and they don't seem very smart. Not my style.

DavidC
04-17-03, 11:14
there are many definitions of expensive
from what I heard the average income in beijing and shenzhen
are actually higher, but hookers in shanghai is probably more
expensive than those places

by the way, I saw the website goldwind posted about, and
holy cow! there's this girl in singapore who wants 2500USD
(not a typo, twenty five hundred USD) for over night

!@#$#%#@
someone needs to smack some senses into her

Levitian
04-17-03, 11:31
David,

This is a question of demand and offer: There are certainly some people who think if they pay more they can expect more, call it an 'inferior good'. fair enough, but ... what really turns me off is, if they do advertise themselves as 'only for the priviliged and rich ones': These chicks are *****s, nothing else. And in the case of Anne Chinoise, not even a pretty one.

They might stick some toys in their wholes and maybe even in yours as an additional 'bonbon', but ... is this worth the price?
It is pretty easy to find decent girls, no matter if you are white or yellow (guys, sorry, but this was quite a stupid discussion. I know many girls here, who prefer Caucasian, while other cannot even imagine to kiss one.

Everywhere the same game!), so why go and waste your money for girls who think they are 'walking and spreading (!!) diamonds'?

Dick Johnson
04-17-03, 17:12
The good looking girls are not usually Shanghainese, but girls from other provinces who come to Shanghai. Shanghainese girls also tend to be more shrewd(materialistic).

-DJ

Insider001
04-18-03, 02:34
Hi, Levitian!

Why do you say that Anne is strange. I think these girls should try their best to please you if they regard you as a potential customer. If she appears strange, can it be possible that she is not interested in you, or are suspicious about your background, etc.?

BTW, are you Chinese? I do heard that some Chinese girls, even *****s, do not like chinese men, even overseas chinese men. Maybe Anne falls into this category. What I want to say is, maybe she doesn't like you.

How do you think of the pictures on her website? Do you think they are ugly, though I personally don't like them.

Dick Johnson
04-18-03, 08:28
It was AFTER Shifen that the discussion here became good. After Shifen, I brought up Mao Ming Lu and JuLu Lu and KTVs and it has been rolling ever since.
(Ironically my post was later deleted for pointing out the hard truth)

Those of you who want to defend shifen, please spend the US$250 and patronize her. Stop being a phony white knight here.

By the way for those who think it is courage that drove her to post her half naked pics online, and it wasn't greed and shamelessness, you probably cannot distinguish between Joan of Arc and Courtney Love.

-DJ

suprgeek
04-18-03, 10:44
Update on the hottie from Nelly's on moaming. Ended up with her for three days, night and day. Man this girl can really ****. Total for the 3 days was around 2200. Washed me, dressed me, kissed me goodbye every morning, and was naked when I walked in the door every evening, even helped me pack when I left. Her english name is Sunny. Treat her very well boys!

I'm in Beijing for a week now...... we'll see if that city can measure up!

geek

BlnkNameCruiser
04-18-03, 14:25
I went to Maoming Lu for th efirst time. I guess it was too early because most places were closed. I finally went in when they opened and none of the girls offered to come home with me. I went to Nelly, Judy, Manhatten, etc. I thought these places were going to be full with girls.
I did hit it off with a girl Lisa from Nelly, who let me get a little petting action and she massaged me and offered to show me around Shanghai some day if I plan ahead with her.

I looked to SW's outside and couldnt find any. I finally started talking to a new girl outside who has only been in town for 4 days. She offered to come to my place for FS. When we got there she became very shy and would not put out a single bit. She did not expect any $$ since no action and apologized.

Any otehr tips how to get a SW? Maybe they come out late at night? This was like 10pm.

Roversman 999
04-18-03, 15:58
i know you guys like the maoming scene ...and I know i prefer others.. but im here seven weeks and just made it seven in seven.. girls that is. Another yahoo success and now two from classifieds in one of expat shanghai sites.. will I make it 8 for eight.. i hope soooooo

Member #4198
04-18-03, 16:01
To: blnknamecruiser and other interested parties
Re: Maoming Lu, etc.

I am surprised to hear what you reported back to WSG about your observation and encounter on Maoming Lu. Granted 10pm is a little early for that type of thing, but it was not so early that it would be hard to find a girl. Also, the nights of Sunday through Tuesday are a little slower than the other nights for obvious reasons. Maybe there is a crack down that i am not aware of. Also, how long did you lurk around there? Maoming should be a easy place and sometimes I feel it is too easy and lacking of challenge to enjoy the pick-up experience.

For SWs, you should see scores of them on Maoming Lu between 11pm-2 or 3am on weekend nights. Also on Ju Lu Lu, but beware the Ju Lu Lu is riskier than Maoming Lu due to LE there.

You can also try bars like LUNA, Paulaner, also the 3rd floor bar on top of La Maison in New World (Xin Tian Di). If picking up pros is what you have in mind, you will be disappointed in SOHO and Che. I have personally seen (NOT tried) some providers (easy to spot) in the above mentioned bars accosting a single guy or a bunch of guys. I never picked up anybody there as the action is not nearly as prevalent as Maoming Lu and girls there are not young looking enough.

As far as dancing clubs like Maya, Rojam, Mbox, True Love, I have not seen much action either. Please report in if you saw or heard otherwise. I think for us travellers in Shanghai, one big part of the girls scene we are missing is the KTVs. Again, I would recommend not going in there by yourself with little Chinese language ability.

yours,

goldwind

Member #4198
04-18-03, 16:06
I totally agree with roversman99, the Internet chatting in Shanghai (China as a whole?) is huge. Pros: real GFE, clean girls (I have had a couple virgins so far actually), min. amount of money cost unless you want to spend more. Cons: time, some form of emotion invested.

no specific website is given here because I believe a couple of months ago, some guy posted a website and was recommended by another person to not publicize (I personally agree with the recommendation). But, I hear yahoo is good, though I personally never used it.

goldwind

Lucky888
04-18-03, 18:59
Goldwind: I'm sorry that my post seems to have gotten you angry; do remember, this is a board about experiences, judgements, and opinions. You may think a girl is hot, I may not; same for hotels or certain roads in Shanghai. I have no personal issues with you whatsoever. 'Tis a bit hard (for me at least) to have a personal issue with anyone I haven't met in person. I only replied to your remarks, not to your persona; I neither said nor implied that your comments were "stupid" or such. In fact, I think your posts are generally great, like most all posts here; the beauty of this board is that everyone takes a slightly different angle on the hobby, making this rich reading. All of us appreciate you sharing the perspective of your 10+ years of experience, so please continue.

Jumbo and jman-- Appreciate your comments and suggstions on the "GFE for free." She's 22 (saw her ID), and not a local suzhou girl. So far not clingy at all; quite the opposite, to my liking. I'm headed out of town for a few weeks, so we'll see what transpires.

Have a good weekend, all.

Member #4198
04-18-03, 21:13
To: lucky888

yeh, buddy, I guess my boss got me pissed off a little too much lately and I took it out on you a bit. No hard feelings, ok? I guess amends are made now and we can start clean from here.

I will be in Shanghai for 2 weeks starting next week, will report back on any actions there.

goldwind

OldAsiaHand
04-19-03, 05:09
I just thought I would put my two cents on this thread...

Lived in SH for a couple of years (moved down South in 2001). Shanghai is expensive period. Maybe I was getting ripped off, but I never managed to get any action for less than 500RMB, usually paying more. I have to believe that the girls would not insist unless they can get those prices elsewhere. I was sitting in a bar in SH last month and saw one guy not even blink an eye at US$200 for ST with a 5 at best. I wanted to talk some sense into him, but could see he already had that look of lust in his eyes and it would have been a waste of time. I understand that some guys can afford to pay more, but it does effect those of us on limited budgets. Furthermore, price does not always mean better quality as we all know. In my experience, the best lookers are usually the worst performers.

Freebies: I always keep it commercial. I could be wrong, but I think Lucky is only lucky for now. Let's see if the situation changes if he decides not to see her again for some reason. I believe "most" Chinese girls do not sleep around for the enjoyment of sex, or are into one night stands as we know them from the West. Most have ulterior motives and do cling. I suppose one can take advantage of those motives and snag a free one from time to time. For me, it is just not worth the aggravation. It will be more expensive in the long run.

I travel to SH every couple of months. After being spoiled by the much lower prices in S. China, I would like to hear from you OldShanghaiHands where any bargains can be found in Shanghai? I am glad to reciprocate should any of you need any advice on S. China.

Thanks.

OAH

BlnkNameCruiser
04-19-03, 07:54
goldwind and others.... I will try again on Maoming lu at a more realistic time. later on a weekend and see how things pan out.

I also am begining to suspect the "freebie" I got from the restaurant bar, may have hiddden costs. I went back to enjoy a realxing dinner and chat with the boss woman who is also hitting on me, (she is older than I also, and which I have a date with Sun evening)

The "freebie" girl came downstairs from thebar and sat with me while I ate. she gave me grief in her nonexistent english to my nonexisten chinese, for not having called her over the last several days. depspite the fact I was too busy to see her, I wanted to send a message which may or may not have come thru.. I am not a permanent boyfriend. Now it is not as easy to go to this place and hit on the other girls there. That is the hidden cost I see, but I will still do both until I develop a specific preference for one over the other. It was nice to get laid 2 times and still have my wallet stuffed with cash.

blanknamecruiser

BlnkNameCruiser
04-19-03, 07:57
p.s. I am glad to see that when we get into verbal tif's, that we resolve them quickly.

I saw one on the board in the area I used to live that got so bad, and lasted so long, that Jackson had to wipe it out several times. I hate to see us add to Jacksons poor workload since he is providing this amazing site to us free.

Thanks to Jackson for such a great board, and thanks to you guys for resloving your disagreements so quickly. I would hate to see a good thing disappear....

blanknamecruiser

MoneyTree
04-19-03, 13:40
Hey guys,
some information from inside sources. Been a crack down recently. Friday night pretty all places around city area were closed, only having the odd mahjong playing boss with his maters- random police patrols and raids. Not much business but should be back to normal after today.

Will be heading to jimbihuihuang ktv today, quality of girls is 8 and upwards imho, but with a minimum bill of 10K upwards. It's on Huaihai dong lu, opposite the famous pegasus nightclub on level 3. There is also a hotel right inside where you can take your girl, a bar, a club (goldtime), and a restaurant.

Anyone not familiar with KTV scene, afraid of police raids, scams, or simply not into old expensive *****s can contact me for a beer and I can hook them up with the right connection. non-PR china passportholders only :)

wont have so much time to check the board in the future so hope you all take care - I can be reached at puxilove@hotmail.com

BlnkNameCruiser
04-19-03, 20:03
Maoming lu was much more active than the other nite I was there. I went tonight, (Saturday) about 11:30 and the clubs were full and there were about 4-7 SW's at any given time. I had to weed thru all of them before finding one I like. They quote prices from 500-800, and settle between 300-500.

blanknamecruiser

BlnkNameCruiser
04-20-03, 07:55
Hey is there anything in Shanghai similar to the www.******.com web site in HK?
Any site here that provides some pics, prices and directions to a girls place?

That would be great if anyone knows. Sometimes I like to internet shop first....

blanknamecruiser

Roversman 999
04-21-03, 01:35
if you know the 141 site in HK its so good..and from all reports ( I only used once)... what you see is what you get. I also hope theres such a site.. then we will all need to start learning Mandarin for " Hi I saw your name on the 141 site ..are you free right now?"

Member #4198
04-21-03, 02:10
Re: ******'s counterpart in mainland China

Well, there is a website called www.chinacallgirls.com, but it is night and day comparing to ******. I am giving chinacallgirls.com already too much credit by mentioning it in the same sentence as ******.

I sent chinacallgirls a RMB100 to get my registration. It worked for like 2 weeks and the site went down; when the site got back up again, my username and passwords were not valid anymore. What a bunch of scam.

At this point, I did not even want to argue with them over email regarding to reinstate my username and password, I just said "forget it" and moved on. BTW, under Shanghai section, they had only 4 contact #s for hookers in last Dec. I tried them all and none generated real chicks. I dont think they are doing any better now. So, I would say forget them and hunt by ourselves. Besides, that uncertainty and exhilaration in hunting itself is fun too.

last word is that, not surprisingly, chinacallgirls.com is blocked within China.

goldwind

Member #4198
04-21-03, 02:14
To: blnknamecruiser

the settling price you quoted (RMB300-500) on maoming lu when you went there, I take it was for SWs, right? Otherwise, the price of them really came down in one month for the ones in the bars then.

A couple Non-maoming lu bars with actions: Roman Holiday (罗马假日) on Changning lu (长宁路) and HaLei bar (哈雷酒吧) at the intersection of Changning lu (长宁路) and Yan'an lu (延安路).

goldwind

Cavechu
04-21-03, 05:06
Originally posted by roversman99
if you know the 141 site in HK its so good..and from all reports ( I only used once)... what you see is what you get. I also hope theres such a site.. then we will all need to start learning Mandarin for " Hi I saw your name on the 141 site ..are you free right now?"

Is 141 site cater to asian who speaks Mandarin or Cantonese only?

Azanluver
04-21-03, 05:45
Moneytree

When you say crackdown, are they busting some of these girls? Do you or anyone know what kind of penalty these girls get? Do they get jail time? How about the freelancers? I'm curious especially about the Freelancers. I've taken a few back from Maoming Lu and Xian Tian di and was wondering if I or the girls can get into serious trouble.

Thanks for your help

MoneyTree
04-21-03, 07:05
Apparently some high up government people decide to send off some police to patrol for 'unsocial' activity every once a while. Of course further down the chain everyone makes their money in the little shanghai economy and effectively places which do pay off cops get information on crack downs and simply close down the place such as this weekend a lot of the places weren't open for business. Targeted raids are rather uncommon and usually involve some other forms of politics but usually in times of crack downs there is a genral low profile of all illegal activity since the places that do have business all pay off the local authorities through 'fines' imposed on things such as fire hazard violations.

don't forget prostituion is illegal in china and can have serious consequences for all parties involved. the kind of risk is genrally reflected in the level of pice you pay. its a pretty competitive economy and the price levels are determined by many factors.

I personally know a guy who had the police bust in on his home while he had a hooker over, not sure what happened to the woman but the man was fined 10,000RMB and had to leave the country. He was an American working for Motorola in Shanghai. They will make reference to 'marriage certificate' if they do find a naked woman in your bed. Afterall there are no clear definitions and it seems open to interpretation of the relevant officer in charge. There are various information on this which are sometimes contradicting but this is my only real life experience so for me it is a benchmark.

I would say 3 star fuck hotels, or barbershops have considerable level of risk imho and are not worth the few bucks discount to other means of ***** sourcing. you should be fairly safe in your home since you can lock the door and choose never to answer any unaccounted rings on your doorbell.

Something as little as neighbors tipping off police about unsocial behaviour could lead them to give you a visit also people who want to give you some personal trouble and do have some guanxi to local police. also never heard of any problems in 5 star hotels

personally i do know many young girls working as prostitutes who would never conduct business through barbershops or ktv but through personal referals or escort services since in case they are imposed by police they will get anywhere between 9 month jail and sent back to their hometowns with notice to their family about their violation of social conduct. this would be totally unbearable for any 18 to 20 year old girl who comes here to make money for a short time before going back to marry.

so many of the good quality young prostitutes are never to be found on the street and even in barber shops.
this explains the low quality of *****s available on maoming lu and julu lu. those older *****s often never care if they are taken into custody, so you have to remember look carefully and make some good connections to a reliable source of young pretty *****s

Jman90024
04-21-03, 07:42
originally posted by goldwind
re: ******'s counterpart in mainland china

well, there is a website called www.chinacallgirls.com, but it is night and day comparing to ******. i am giving chinacallgirls.com already too much credit by mentioning it in the same sentence as ******.


for anyone who's curious about what ****** is. it's a site for legalized prostitution in hongkong. under hongkong law, it's legal to offer service if the girl works along. "one room one girl" is what it's called in hongkong.

on the other hand, prostitution is illegal in china. noone can operate a site like ****** for info in china legally. since freedom of speech isn't really a protected right in china, site like this board isn't legal in china and i think operating it within china is punishable under the law. (any lawyer here?)

i guess we all hope a site like ****** for info in china. however, until the law changes, we are unlikely to see one. good thing that we have this forum to pass the information around.

Julian
04-21-03, 08:59
Hi, I am new to this board, but hope to be making some postings. I have been in China for over 4 yrs now. Spent a lot of time in Guandgong [isn't Shenzhen great??!], but recently moved to Shanghai. I made a few postings on the Shenzhen board this time last year, if any of you followed that.

First off, talking about how great this site is, why is it not blocked in China? I guess they don't know about it yet, but it's probably only a matter of time.

In my experience not all "red light" barber shops actually offer sex. Where I live there are many places offering service, but not all offer sex. It is easy for anyone with the inclination to distinguish between a normal barbershop, and one that will offer extras. If it is well lit, and actually has people inside washing [or especially cutting] hair, then it is likely to be a legit place. If it is shady and dirty with bored girls sitting around, come on in, folks!

Anyway, assuming we can all tell which is which...

If the massage boss says that a massage is 50 RMB per hour, in my experience that invariably means that hand-job is included, no tip necessary. [But of course the girls don't complain if you do.] Call me mean, but I don't tip. They usually seem content that you say you will come back regularly if they are good - which I do. If the girl has bad attitude, tries to call time before the hour is up, or makes no effort to be friendly, it is not enjoyable.

But - I have found that such places [50 RMB] do not offer or allow sex. Only handjob. And there is a limit to how much you can touch the girls. Some don't mind hands on breast, but they won't take their clothes off, and I have yet to find one that will let my hand into her pussy.

But if the boss says that the hourly rate is 70 or 80 RMB per hour, that means that sex can be had. However a tip of at least 200 RMB to the girl is also necessary. Also, in some such places, they give only 40 or 45 mins for your time, not an hour. This can make it difficult if you like an immediate HJ, followed by a massage, and then sex at the end, just before time - as I sometimes do.

But anyway - do any regulars on this site have a comment? I address myself esp to Goldwind, who really seems to know what he is talking about, being a native. Is it like some secret code between these places, one which the customers are also expected to know, that 50 RMB means handjob included, but no sex; but that if they say 70 or 80 RMB per hour, it means sex is possible?

I have never taken SW in Shanghai, or in fact had paid sex at all. It is too expensive for a recent arrival from the south, where it was all included at 130 RMB per hour with great girls and lots of choice! But I do have a HJ often.

I would be wary of BBBJ because AIDS can be transmitted that way. More easily than you might think, guys, so watch out. I have looked into it. Actually for the record, even if the girl bites her nails, for example, and therefore has open or bleeding skin on her hands, that can also transmit HIV to the penis.

But I digress.

I also saw someone mentioned the police sent a guy home for being in bed with a girl in his place with no marriage licence. My g/f is Chinese, and I am staying at her place these days, beore I have a stable job and my own place, having recently moved to Shanghai together. Does that mean the police will send me home if they find us, or if someone in the same apt block takes a dislike to me, and wants to make trouble. We have been together a long time, but are not married, which I guess is the issue here.

It seems that this is a cloudy issue, foreigners with Chinese girls. It is easy to be open about it in the streets etc, arm in arm with a Chinese girl. What is the law about foreigners having sex with locals? Prostitution is illegal. I know that. But what about if it is a relationship? How can one prove that the girl is not a prostitute? In my case it's easy cos I live there too and all my stuff is there. But what if I have my own place, and a girl is there? How will the police know if she is a hooker and I am paying her, or not?

Thanks for reading this far, guys, and I hope to join your comments and discussions in the future.

Julian
04-21-03, 09:45
Can one use MSN messenger for searching for "friends", the same way that people have suggested using yahoo messenger?

Is that as good for hooking up with people for saucy chat and a little more?

Directions, please...

masterp
04-21-03, 12:27
That sounds crazy - how can they fine a person 10,000 for something done in your home? What if it was a freebie one night stand? wow. Does anyone know if you can take "massage" girls home?

OldAsiaHand
04-21-03, 15:58
Money Tree,

I am curious to hear when your 10,000RMB fine case transpired. I used to hear about many of these incidents 6-7 years ago. A friend of mine from Singapore actually paid US$2,000 to get out of a similar situation in Beijing in 1997. I thought that things had loosened up quite a bit in recent years, and LE did not raid hotels or apartments any longer.

Down here in the South, there are crackdowns from time to time, as well. There is an annual crackdown starting sometime in the summer and running until National Day, however, there is plenty of advance notice so us mongers and the industry know to take it slow for awhile.

OAH

BlnkNameCruiser
04-21-03, 18:17
Julian and others that are interested....
1. I really doubt most people will ever have trouble or be fined unless you are drunk and making a scene. The cops will rarely do anything unless they are doing it for money which happens, but everything is negotiable. If a cop really feels he is doing his job, he will easily detect a real girlfriend from a SW in your home. I would not sweat it. - for example most hotels fine print says only overnight guests must be bound in marriage, no hotel guests after 11pm.. etc... but I never had a problem with that either.

2. Where are these barber shops you can get full service? I have been searching and cannot find them. I have been into their pants, and performed DATY, but never sex. Please advise if you have a street name or location (like across from ABC hotel etc)

Thanks
blanknamecrusier

Member #4198
04-21-03, 23:39
Re: security issues as I see it.

MoneyTree made a couple of good points and most I agree. Here is what I have found from personal experiences and from talking to service providers (SPs).

Private residence - If you do the deeds in your private home, it IS safe. But, if you bring a different girl back each night and somehow you pissed off or annoyed your neighbors too much, he/she might turn on you and tip off the police. But, in that kind of situations, please make sure to let the girl know she can never say money was paid to her in order to have sex with her. This way, both of you get off clean. No rewards for spilling your beans here, though you might led to believe so. Chinese polices are good at separating two parties involved and look for cracks in each other's stories. If you are are non-chinese, the most you get is financial rip-off (RMB 5000-10,000), but for the girl, she is screwed, she will get 6-9 month real prison time, no kidding. This also explains, in part, why these chicks never actively hit on chinese guys out of fear of these guys are undercover cops.

Barbershop - If you do the deeds in barbershop, you must be a guy either looking for trouble or really adventurous, all I got say is "good luck to you".

KTV - From my experiences with 10+ KTVs in Shanghai, no FS will be offered in KTV. You can take the girls out and do whatever, but not within the KTV.

4-5 star hotels - generally, pretty safe, but if you are the romantic type and care for the girls. you might want to walk them out of the hotel and see them into a cab as these chicks often get pulled over and threatened, if not by the cops, by security guards for a cut of their earned cash.

3 star hotels - anyone's bet, but mostly pretty safe.

goldwind

Member #4198
04-21-03, 23:46
To: Julian

1). I am not aware of the MSN equivalent of Yahoo profiles. why not just use Yahoo, not enough girls there for you? heihei (just kidding)

2). Now onto barbershops, I personally do not know or do not think there is a so-called "code" for a RMB50 or RMB70-80 service. Almost all barbershops offer HJ, it is a given. Some offers BBBJ even CIM but girls spitting out (damn), one is at the intersection of JianGuo Lu and SiNan Lu. 24 hrs a day, during day 3-4 girls and during night 10+ girls.

I have been in a couple barbershops where FS was had. But, this is by no means the norm and are generally pretty far from the city center and during the day.

Having said all this, if you keep going to a particular barbershop and having one particular girl, you might build up enough of a rapport to get her out. In that event, it is RMB300-400 for FS.

goldwind

Sweetkisser
04-22-03, 06:00
Blanknamecruiser:

You can find the full service MP at Hang Hua Xin Cun right outside of Hong Qiao Airport. Almost all taxi driver knows about it. It's 150 RMB for one shot.

SK

MoneyTree
04-22-03, 06:29
wouldn't do it in a shop. If it gets raided while you are inside you got some trouble. Make a good relationship with someone who can get you girls, she or he will convince the girls it's safe to go with you since they know you and you know them also so nobody is going to scam you. its a good trust relationship, just find someone who has access to many girls to take to your home or 4/5 star hotel, which is still the safest place of all.

this is my advice for all you who can't afford to get into any kind of trouble, like myself.



@OldAsiaHand
this case was only about 2 months ago

Shsboy
04-22-03, 06:45
I would try not to mention the address or the exact location of any places. By doing so, I thinking it has put us and the girls in great danger when the next raid comes in which means could be anytime, any day since the SARS scary, now the police has perfect reason for random raids, talking about the bonus for the end of month.

Julian
04-22-03, 08:48
I just tried a search using MSN. But because I am using a Chinese language windows I clicked on the tab to change language to English. The screen duly changed to English display, but then when I searched for contacts in Romance, it was offering me only people located in England!

Am I doing something wrong? How can I get the computer to display a full international list, or better still, search by city location? Is anyone familiar with MSN in this way?

And to answer your question - what is wrong with Yahoo messenger. Nothing. But I don't already use yahoo, while I am familiar with MSN. I would rather avoid downloading a new system, when I have more than enough existing contacts in my MSN list.

Another topic - do you guys find the girls in barbershops to have clean pussies, if we want to DATY? And also, do they take a lot of persuading to let us do this in the salon / curtained partition in the shop itself? I don't have a place I can take them to outside, so anything I do has to be on site.

Thanks.

BlnkNameCruiser
04-22-03, 15:23
Sweetkisser,
is this the name of the barber shop? "Hang Hua Xin Cun" - or is this the name of the street?
A taxi will know this particular shop out of the incalculable massive amount that there must be in this city? (I dont speak Chinese so I will have to show him the ping ing?

Others,
I had a girl I met about 3 weeks ago at Lily Pub come to my place tonight. I had her #. called she came over in about 20 minutes, I paid her 400, no taxi fare or anything else. SHe showered with me, serviced my in the middle of the room ,on the couch BBBJ then we did FS on the couch to finish. she asked me if I want her to go or stay. I told her it was her choice. She left about 15 minutes later.

good overall deal I think.

blanknamecruiser

OldAsiaHand
04-22-03, 17:18
Fellow Hobbyists:

Barbershops: Are there any places in SH where they have apartments to take you to nearby? This is how it works in many places in Shenzhen.

Thanks.

Money Tree: Is it possible that LE wanted your friend for some other reason? Still sounds pretty drastic to raid a personal home nowadays. How did they know the girl was there in the first place? Was it a set-up?

OAH

Shanghai Noon
04-22-03, 18:00
Hi Blanknamecruiser:

Could you email me the # of the girl you had at cowboy12061@yahoo.com

Azanluver
04-22-03, 22:00
Thanks for the input. I guess I was asking more on the penalty side for the girls. It seems that one of my "friends" has been detained by Shanghai Police and may be held for up to 6 months. I don't want to believe the worst because I thought she was legit. I can't get a straight answer from any of her friends as to why she's being held. I can't think of any other reason they would keep her. It seems that I've been "Shanghaid" myself.

Insider001
04-23-03, 05:04
Hi Azanluver,

Is your friend being caught on the "spot", or somebody has disclosed her to the police?

Does everybody think that the 5-star hotels are safe? Seems to me that nowhere is safe now, even your own home.

Lion
04-23-03, 05:34
Where would you take a GF for a good night out?

I asked the same question on the Beijing board, but now I'm headed for Shanghai, so anyone out there with recommended restaurants/discos/jazzbars please speak up!

Nothing too sleazy now, as the GF is 30 and a manager of a foreign-owned company.

Member #4198
04-23-03, 08:50
Well, lion

how about a nice candlelight dinner at La Maison (6:30-8:30) during which there is live show, followed by some drinking at LUNA or SOHO (tow hottest places in town) and then some disco at Rojam or Maya or singing at Cashbox till dawn and the rest is up to you, heihei..

goldwind

BlnkNameCruiser
04-23-03, 14:48
lion,
Depends on what you want on the night out. If you want it mellow and enjoyable for conversation, then I would start at Jason Teppenyaki attached to the Heng Shan Hotel, then walk down Heng Shan to the Tun Run Tea House on the right hand side. Then if she wants more action you can dance at those clubs on that block, however they are also pick up joints when it gets late.

Have fun
blanknamecruiser

Jack Spratt
04-23-03, 18:03
Originally posted by goldwind
To: Julian

1). I am not aware of the MSN equivalent of Yahoo profiles. why not just use Yahoo, not enough girls there for you? heihei (just kidding)

2). Now onto barbershops, I personally do not know or do not think there is a so-called "code" for a RMB50 or RMB70-80 service. Almost all barbershops offer HJ, it is a given. Some offers BBBJ even CIM but girls spitting out (damn), one is at the intersection of JianGuo Lu and SiNan Lu. 24 hrs a day, during day 3-4 girls and during night 10+ girls.

I have been in a couple barbershops where FS was had. But, this is by no means the norm and are generally pretty far from the city center and during the day.

Having said all this, if you keep going to a particular barbershop and having one particular girl, you might build up enough of a rapport to get her out. In that event, it is RMB300-400 for FS.

goldwind Unfortunately, the 24 hour barbershop wasn't open last night at about 10.00pm. Walked down there, full of anticipation, ended up full of disappointment. One night in town, on a trip from Beijing.

I assume it was the same place - small and dingy, one shop down from the corner, alongside a convenience store.

Also noticed a couple of police cars parked in the vicinity, with no occupants. I wonder if Goldwings post has inadvertantly caused a problem?

Azanluver
04-24-03, 00:29
Originally posted by Insider001
Hi Azanluver,

Is your friend being caught on the "spot", or somebody has disclosed her to the police?

Does everybody think that the 5-star hotels are safe? Seems to me that nowhere is safe now, even your own home.



To tell you the truth, I don't know much of the details. I'm still not even sure why she's being held. I'm just making some assumptions.

BlnkNameCruiser
04-24-03, 16:41
A bit of info for you all,
I was at HArd Rock during the early evening before there is any action. If you walk out, immediately turn left and walk toward the grocery store there is patio seating for some reason. Sitting on the patio were girls who were smiling. I continued to walk but made eye contact. one cute girl got up and came to me and asked if I wanted a massage. I was not interested at the time, but at least we know where to go earlier in the day if you dont want to stay up late....

Also, I read about Long Bar, on the second floor of the same location as Hard Rock (1376 Nanjing lu). I read about it on StripClublist.com and it says there girls and bed dances, private dances etc... Well, when I was there it was a family atmosphere bar/grill.

Does it morphe into a girl bar later in the nite?

blanknamecruiser

Apac Boy
04-24-03, 19:30
i was at long bar for "model" night...

some of those byatches dun seem very nice, but i didn't flash any maos in front of them so.....

anyways...i did see a couple of working gurlz sitting at the bar by themselves...hotties too

tapioca

masterp
04-25-03, 10:18
This is just a guess, but with the way SARS is going around China, I wouldn't be surprised if the police started cracking down on some sauna's, barber shops, etc.

Ralph Kramden
04-25-03, 14:28
I feel glad for anyone who has seen hotties in the Long Bar because frankly all the times I made a spot check, there was nothing to make it worthwhile to buy even one drink. It was a waste of time for me.

I would recommend always checking around the outside of the Hard Rock because one might find strays who have been kept from entering or don't want to pay for the one drink minimum inside.

BlnkNameCruiser
04-27-03, 15:58
well, remember the Teppnayaki place where I went home with that girl for free?
Well, I have been going there and gently giving her the cold shoulder. She finally has backed off. I also wen ton that date with the boss woman. nothing happened except we kissed. She also drove me around the other day to help me run errands and we kissed some more.

I have started flirting with some other girls there. I also visually flirted with a really cute chef that works there. Tonight the chef had nothing to do because the customers have all dried up lately. She hung out with me and drank a little. we chat and I had my hand all over her ass and up the back of her shirt. She also had her hand conveniently on my groin but not grabbing.

When I finally left she walked me out and we french kissed for about 5 minutes. I asked her to come to my place and she said she cant leave until they close. I couldn't wait that long because I have an early day tomorrow. She asked when I will come back. I will try tuesday to have a late night and see if I can get her to come home with me...

will report back.
blanknamecruiser

BlnkNameCruiser
04-28-03, 10:26
GoldWind,
I cant get the profile of the girls on Yahoo to load. I found them but when I click I can't view them. They simply never load up. Any thoughts?
blanknamecruiser

Roversman 999
04-28-03, 11:58
dont know why you cant get the yahoo profiles. Keep trying. Just a small report that a yahoo friend of mine came to my aprtment in Puxi on saturday night.. ( id been in Suzhou all day with a college girl, touring).She said she just wanted a meeeting. Shes an 8 and very smart. Anyways, we watched tv, ate snacks, dvds.. and i still didnt make a move..i figured something was going to happen. At midnight..she quietly told me she had permission to stay out all night. and could she stay. YOU BET!!.. and so gentleman, another yahoo chatter gets nailed. Its an investment but, if you want GFE everytime, with a higher level of saftety, this is the way to go...

BlnkNameCruiser
04-29-03, 12:51
Congrats roversman99,
I really want to give it a shot but...
I choose female on the advanced search page: http://search.profiles.yahoo.com/interests?.oc=a
I choose Shanghai, China, and click submit.
It loads up the following:
http://search.profiles.yahoo.com/interests?.oc=t&.sb=0&.id=&.fn=&.ln=&.em=&.kw=&.g=2&.ar=0&.st=0&.lo=shanghai%2C+China

with these tupe of results:
_ Ninita0
Female, 23
Location: Shanghai,China
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_ acidld
Female, 26
Location: shanghai, china
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_ acmilanmania
Female, 26
Location: Shanghai,China
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The names are links as you probably know.
I click the link and a new window pops open (http://profiles.yahoo.com/Ninita0) to reveal the profile, but nothing ever comes on the screen. I have used 2 different browsers on cable modem and on many occasions.

is this the same process for you?

blanknamecruiser

BlnkNameCruiser
04-29-03, 16:44
well.. I went to the teppanyaki place again... The chef I kissed was busy cooking. I flirted with the other girls and one eventually happily agreed to come over tomorrow when she is not working to "watch DVD's and play on the computer" because the internet cafe's are all closed. She also knows about the other girl that works there came over. At first I was bummed figuring she caught me at my game, but she didn't seem to care!
will keep you informed. ;-)
blanknamecruiser

Roversman 999
04-30-03, 00:51
dear blankif you hve yahoo messnger running you should have a box..and at top pf box..it says login view tools help. hit tools, manager friends list,search for friend, then search for people using keyword shanghai.. female etc.. you should get many many names..up to 200 each time.. hope it works...

Jman90024
04-30-03, 09:26
Originally posted by blnknamecruiser
Congrats roversman99,
I really want to give it a shot but...
I choose female on the advanced search page: http://search.profiles.yahoo.com/interests?.oc=a
I choose Shanghai, China, and click submit.
It loads up the following:
http://search.profiles.yahoo.com/interests?.oc=t&.sb=0&.id=&.fn=&.ln=&.em=&.kw=&.g=2&.ar=0&.st=0&.lo=shanghai%2C+China

with these tupe of results:
_ Ninita0
Female, 23
Location: Shanghai,China
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_ acidld
Female, 26
Location: shanghai, china
------------------------------------------------------------------------
_ acmilanmania
Female, 26
Location: Shanghai,China
------------------------------------------------------------------------
The names are links as you probably know.
I click the link and a new window pops open (http://profiles.yahoo.com/Ninita0) to reveal the profile, but nothing ever comes on the screen. I have used 2 different browsers on cable modem and on many occasions.

is this the same process for you?

blanknamecruiser


The profile page seems to be blocked by the China Great Firewall. You need to use a proxy to get around it. Try google "anonymous proxy".

BlnkNameCruiser
04-30-03, 10:55
Roversman99
I find many on the list, they just don't load the profile.

jman90024,

I did not know what a proxy was so I looked and downloaded JAP. I have it run and choose some server, but it doesnt make any difference. The list of the girls comes up, but when I click to view their profile, it times out my window.

blanknamecruiser

MoneyTree
04-30-03, 13:22
hey blank, how about that sauna place? is it open? I actually saw it the other day walking past.

PS: if anyone is looking to hook up with chinese girls online, the by far most popular is not ICQ, MSN, or Yahoo but QQ or OICQ, a Chinese version of the latter which pretty much every second girl in China uses regularly. Can find anything from young schoolgirls who even make you offers to fuck for money to housewifes, second wifes, and bored models who have to stay home and like to play computer games. The downside, it is in Chinese only. English programms like msn, icq, etc are only used by mostly university students who want to improve their english, seems hard to find beautiful girls in china who actually get their ass up to study considering university studies are actually quite hard here. all the good girls are in shit universities anyhow and dont speak a word of english

MoneyTree
04-30-03, 13:54
town is absolutely dead as of lately.

went with a pal of mine to a ***** apartment nearby shanghai university. this apartment was pretty classy and newly furnished, beforehand we called the girls and made a time to come over. actually had some guy we know give us the reference who used to go there. anyhow the girls were not bad, but wouldnt call it good either. one was cute but short and a little older, about 27, one was tall, about 23, not beautiful but with an incredible body. before we came over they actually went shopping for us and bought us drinks, chips etc. we sat and watched tv for a while before we all took showers. after we walked naked into one of the warm rooms. we told the girls we wanted to fuck in the same room so we made a second makeshift bed in one of the rooms. I chose the taller girl, BBBJ first. the smaller girl was sucking off my friend. the tall girl had unbelievable breasts and curvy body (although the face was kind of shit) didnt actually notice with her clothes on but it really was unbelieveable. after we fucked the girls for a while we swapped the girls, they gave BBBJ and put on new condoms. we fucked the girls again for another while before swapping again for some more BBBJ and after 2 girls on 1 with 1 guy watching and then switching the guy again. Finish off with the girl we started with. Overall it took about 2.5 hours and we only paid 400 together for 2 people, since our friend said he always paid 200 for 1 time and they didnt have a problem. Anyhow they were a little pissed and wanted at least 300 per person because we took so much time. on our way out they told us not to come back again.

they only speak chinese, but I think there should be more apartments of that kind around shanghai. it was all new and not the crap style chinese apartments, it had new hardwood floors, tv, clean marble bathroom etc.
anyone know of any more of this kind? I can only give the mobile number of the girl, she will then tell you how to get there and if they are free. just dont say you got it from me :)

OldAsiaHand
04-30-03, 16:58
MoneyTree:

Great post! I may be coming up to Shanghai soon and will be contacting you for that mobile number. I understand Shanghai airport is getting pretty tough with folks coming from heavily SARS infected areas like Guangdong & Beijing. What's the real story with that?

OAH

Jman90024
04-30-03, 18:54
Originally posted by MoneyTree
anyone know of any more of this kind? I can only give the mobile number of the girl, she will then tell you how to get there and if they are free. just dont say you got it from me :)

Hi MoneyTree,

Good job! Could you give me the number of the girls? Sounds like a fun experience to try. My email is jman90024@yahoo.com. Thanks.

Shanghai Noon
05-01-03, 00:48
Hi MoneyTree,

I'm in Shanghai right now and am bored to death. How about emailing the number as well cowboy12061@yahoo.com

Do you have to take both girls together?

What other ideas do you have currrently for Shanghai, I'm really bored and will probably visit the tea house today.

hangong
05-01-03, 00:50
moneytree:

Great post ! Could you send me the cell phone number of that girl ?

Thanks.

hangong
05-01-03, 00:51
My email is hangong2000@yahoo.com

Shanghai Noon
05-01-03, 02:49
Hey MoneyTree,

You mention that you are willing to share information. How about it. Could you get me some references to local sources that you have? Email me at cowboy12061@yahoo.com

Desperate for good info while I'm stuck here in SH

MoneyTree
05-01-03, 04:11
Originally posted by OldAsiaHand
MoneyTree:

Great post! I may be coming up to Shanghai soon and will be contacting you for that mobile number. I understand Shanghai airport is getting pretty tough with folks coming from heavily SARS infected areas like Guangdong & Beijing. What's the real story with that?

OAH

As far as I know, there are strict health checks for all entry-exit points into shanghai including
-2 times taking temperatures , one time through infrared camera
-doctors healthcheck including check up of your respiratory channels
-filling out a slip which will be meticulously checked at entry point

on that note, hope you have a nice trip to Shanghai :) will be heading to Europe end of next week but hope I can help you out with as much new inside info as possible.

OldAsiaHand
05-01-03, 05:01
MoneyTree,

Thanks for the info! A friend of mine was telling me that one of his buddies from Malaysia was actually quarantined at home when he flew in from Beijing last week.

Please drop me a line with that mobile number before you go; oldasiahand2003@yahoo.com. I will let you know how it turns out. 400RMB for a sandwich is a great deal!

Have a good trip and stay in touch!

OAH

Found It
05-01-03, 06:42
Hey Moneytree!
Great report! Would love to experience the same and number would be appreciated. chinajiba@yahoo.com

BlnkNameCruiser
05-01-03, 07:25
Moneytree,
You're a popular guy now.... Still willing to share? email: blanknamecruiser@hotmail.com

As far as the sauna goes, I have not gone there yes as I have been working on some freebies... unsuccessfully...... I do plan to go there. Could use a relaxing atmosphere with my FS.

blanknamecruiser

BlnkNameCruiser
05-01-03, 07:35
report: severe case of blue balls
so... the teppanyaki girl that said she wanted to come over and "watchdvd's" had her phone shut off. i eventually went back down to the restaurant. the cute chef who i kissed a few days prior, totally made out with me, holding my member, letting me kiss her breasts and frecnch kiss for a long time. she said if i wait until 2am she will come over to my apt.
in the meantime i also started kissing and touching the boss woman who i had kissed previously that week. i go up her shirt, not under bra, and lots of kissing and ass holding.
then later that night i was swapping candy with another girl who works there.

then the bad news... the chef gets a phone call and has to leave around 1:30am. damn! i had been hanging around there since about 10pm. so now i turn on the heat with the other girl who i candy swapped with earlier. i also get up her shirt on 2 occasions, and kiss. ultimately she wont go home with me. she gave me her number but her english is so bad we wont be able to talk on the phone... i left around 2am with a drippy d*** and blue balls.
i called my "sure fuck" on her mobile and she was in nanjing for the rest of the week. damn!!!!
i tell a taxi to take me to maominglu and he says they are all shut down. damn!!!!
i go to hengshanlu and it is half shut. i wander into lily pub and see a girl that i had hung out with 2 times prior from bourbon street and hard rock. she was happy to see me since i was the only guy around, even though i had talked to her before and never actually given her a dime or a drink. within 20 minutes we go to my place for me to unload ... i allowed myself to get fiscally raped for 800. blue balls help you make bad financial decisions, but she treated me very well, and did her best to offer a great gfe. probably worth it. over all a great nite.
blanknamecruiser

Ricky197101
05-02-03, 05:19
MoneyTree,

good report, would you send me the cell number and name of the girl to ricky197101@yahoo.com?
thanks

OldAsiaHand
05-03-03, 07:24
blanknamecruiser,

I'm sorry to hear the teppanyaki thing went sideways on you the other night. I have been following your saga with envy. I wish I had the time to pursue that freebie action like I did when I was single. Now, it's usually just sneaking out for quickies in barbershops unless I am travelling. I did manage two yesterday in different shops in Shenzhen. One Henan girl, very sweet and eager to please, but short on technique, the other from Chongqing, 19 yo, but already a veteran. Excellent BBBJTC.

Keep us posted.

OAH

Shanghai Noon
05-04-03, 11:40
Just a quick update. Last night I went to the barber shop at Sinan Lu and Jianguo Lu with the blue fascade at 7 pm and it was not open. I don't know if it is shut down but rare to have it not open at 7 pm. Today I just came back from the Tea House at Ya'nan Lu and it was being renovated. Again, it appears to be out of commission. What's up with this. I'm running out of places to try.

I'm still hoping that Blank and Money tree will be able to replenish the supply otherwise I'm SOL

2 nights ago I tried the Yahoo deal and had dinner with some girl. But much like some of your experience these english chats are full of university girls who are "too good" for any real action. If you've had better luck then please share your lines with me so that I can learn to weed out the dinner girls from the action ones.

BlnkNameCruiser
05-05-03, 05:43
Shanghai Noon
I recently took a non sex searching stroll thru a neigborhood mear my place and saw a lot more barber shops than I had ever noticed before. They were all shut down.

I am pretty sure the shut downs are going to only be routine SARS risk reduction strategy by the government. They will most likely shut places in 1 or more district at a time, sterilize, and then reopen... who knows when really, but I think we just need to be patient. The other night I notices some places only a few blocks awway that were open and looked semi promising. I could not investigate then because of the company I was keeping, but will report back when I take a more investigative stroll

blanknamecruiser

Lion
05-05-03, 07:39
To Blanknamecrusier and Goldwind:

Thanks for the dating advice. I let the GF pick the places in the end, and since we were wary of SARS we stayed away from indoor/crowded places.

Though Xintiandi feels like a theme park, we could sit outside and it was romantic and the beer was good (German). Pretty pricey though, with the one liter jug costing 105RMB.

The one thing I couldn't get over was how the GF insisted on paying for EVERYTHING. Is this something well-paid Chinese businesswomen do with foreigners? Her income is around US$20,000 (much less than mine), but she got a bit miffed if I managed to pay for anything.

Member #4198
05-05-03, 09:01
Well lion,

what can I say? you lucky dude. i am not sure if this (girls pay for everything) is the norm in Shanghai (or in China) though, so dont get spoiled this way, ok? heihei...

The ones I have gone out with range from college girls to businesswoman and almost all of the time I pay the full amount for the food. The real question is whether women think they do not owe us man anything by paying themselves? Did you do homerun with these women who pay for the EVERYTHING? I will be interested to know.

One gauge I use myself in trying to sleep with these regular girls is whether they will allow me to buy them some clothes. If say we go shopping and she can just let me pay for like RMB 500-600 clothes, I am pretty sure I can get her to come to my place and do it. So, there is some cost associated, but then again there is no free meal.

goldwind

Shanghai Noon
05-05-03, 09:54
Last night, I went for the first time to HengShan Lu. I looked around at Real Love and settled on Lily's Pub some of your advice. I was immediately approached and was'nt comfortable with the age and looks level. Too old. I'm really interested in the 20-25 age range and the girls seemed older. Anyways within 30 minutes I turned away3 and left.

I then went to another small bar, I think called Energy. I was actually content to have one drink and watch some of the NBA. Got talking to a couple of the servers and they were more of what I was looking for. Although no luck.

Went from there to MaoMing Lu and was kind of intimidated by the really crowded bars. Went to a couple with less people and obviously less action. Zero for 4 by now. Approached by many of the outside SW and again. Found them not appealing at all.

Went back to my hotel (5 star Chinese hotel) called the MP and they sent a girl up. Good looking, I got undressed, she asked about the whether I wanted more. We started negotiating and they started at 2000. Remember I had the same bad experience a few weeks back at this same hotel when they asked for 4000. She came down to 1400 and I still refused and asked her to leave. She offered to talk to boss and send up another girl.

10 minutes later another girl comes up and we get right to the price. I told her I will not budge and she can leave if she is not going to accept. Anyways I budged and we settled on 1000.

This girl had really nice C cups (could not tell when she had her clothes on) I would say 6 for face and 8 for body. Unfortunately, whe must be new from Nanjing. She gave very good cbj and then climbed on top. You could tell she was trying to rush me along and I like to take it nice and slow and I can really last. After 10 minutes she gives up and asks me to climb on top (in hopes of expediting matters). Every time we change positions, she takes a close look at the condom and picks off hars or other things from condom (overly clean, a real turn-off). We go like this for 10 more minutes and I turn her over again for doggie. This goes on for another 10 and she complains that it is not comfortable and really wants me to let loose missionary position. I comply and shoot within 10 more minutes. She was very tight, very comfortable but did not like to be touched any where. Overall experience was a 6. Had much better in the south.

On the taxi ride back to the hotel I was complaining to the driver and he told me that he could take me to HongQiao area where it is better. I did'nt take him up on it this evening but may try latter.

Roversman 999
05-05-03, 12:54
OOPS !! I did it again
Sorry to hear Shanghai noon that your yahoo trip didnt work out.. I seem to be luckier.
Anyways, saturday, I met a friend I found through Shanghai Expat or Thats Shanghai classsifieds. Met her near a deaprtment store.. its always hit or miss if people are similar to their photo. This time I was lucky. 25 and tall and slim..just my style and very funny and friendly. Had coffee.. then dinner then back to my place. Kissing and.. cuddling and shirt off...but no more. Finished at 2...met another yahoo friend at 12 next morning and went to Pudong with her. Holding hands etc and she said she wanted to go back to my place.. but id arranged to meet the previous one. Dumped her fast but promised to meet next week...and met the first one.. went to my health club, then dinner and back to my place for dvds.and after an hour.. JACKPOT. Got her to bed at midnite, banged till 3am..she stayed.. and at 8..we were UP again.. hot and sweaty till 10 am. Its great when the good ones stay overnight. And another date with her tomorrow night. Now have three regulars...thats enough for an old bloke like me. And dont have to pay a cent except for dinners and drinks. Wife coming in one month... so many girls to meet and so little time. Keep playing the yahoo game.. it really works. And its a GFE every time...8 ladies in 9 weeks aint bad!!
Having night off.. but have made arrangements for tuesday wednsday and thursday night. Where can I get viagra here....???

Shanghai Noon
05-05-03, 13:44
Good report Roversman,

What is your typical profile girl. How old. what background. Any good hints as to how to increase your chances on these chats. What do you say when the inevitable question of "are you married" comes out.

Your input would be greatly appreciated.

Kendo
05-05-03, 14:44
Hey Roversman,

I抦 impressed! But are you moving before the wife arrives? I抎 be afraid that the GFE comes back for a visit once the wife is in town.

I抦 worried that the people at the service apartment watch us like hawks. So far I抳e used a cheap hotel that I found on http://www.english/ctrip.com or just ctrip.com. Only $25 for a reasonably clean room.

I抎 love to do the same thing but I抦 a bit too risk averse and so I抣l stick with the pros. Speaking of which, I agree that the best are at the KTV places.

Anyone up for a night at the KTV? (I don抰 speak much Chinese so hopefully you do. )

Roversman 999
05-05-03, 15:11
hi.. first, when the wife arrives Im going to change rooms or building. Im sure the service aprtment Im in knows my life style.. i seem to be with many women and meet them all in my lobby. Second, gfs only have one f my numbers. That fone never gets seen by the wife.
Typical profile that works best is single, about 24-26 works best ( both in Manila, Dubai and here) those gilrs are smart enough to know what they are doing but still have some stars left in their eyes. Yahoo is good but icq also works for me. Hit rate is about 50% and even if not successful, well we always have fun. Taught one friend yesterday the best used english phrases//she already knew the words.i.e// what the fuck you looking at..hey mother..you fucking asshole..etc.. she was trying them out in century park..was a lot of fun.
And sooner or later..the subject of sex always arises. And I now know whether it will be suceesful or not.. when first meeting, or walking in street.. those who will give it up, stand close..so theres a little innocent contact.. its always a giveaway.
And theres always the thrill of the chase...its much more exciting than the success. The will she wont she.. what will she say if i invite her back for dvds etc....thats why i prefer non pros.. theres more thrill and skill required..Anyways.. will have a look on yahoo now and see who bites...need to get next weeks sked underway....

Roversman 999
05-05-03, 15:14
in answer to the "are you married " question.. I always say yes. Say Im here by myself but married. That makes the decision easy for the girl. One, they know I am so I must be a more regualr stable guy and not ( hoho ) some playboy. And second they know what they are getting into. Third, at over 40 chances are your married, divorced or gay.. ( no offence to the single overs guys here!!)
And fouthly, hard to lie about it. Whats that white mark on your ring finger.. whats those photos in your wallet etc.
If you choose your targets well,..the married bit isnt a problem.

Shanghai Noon
05-05-03, 15:54
Thanks for the advice. I've either avoided the question or said that I'm in a complicated situation. Anyways, no luck to speak of. While I was chatting with some chick, the door bell rings at my hotel at 11 pm I was kind of surprise. Lo and behold it was the first girl from the MP. She shows up and proposes that we get on with things. Unfortunately I have a conference all in half an hour. She said she will come back in a couple of hours. I laid down the law and asked why she turned down the same offer 2 nights ago. I had proposed that even at 800 she can pocket 600 for herself that is better than walking away with nothing. She told me the boss will not let her lower the rates. Funny because the second girl that they sent up agreed to the lower rate. I hope I did'nt get anyone in trouble because this girl was very shocked to hear that the second girl gave FS for the agreed amount.

I like this first one better anyways, sweeter face even though the second girl had a great body. Hopefully, this one will not be as shy as the other. May have a keeper. Keep you posted tomorrow.

Kendo
05-06-03, 02:08
Roversman, You are my new hero! Thanks for the info.

KingPeter
05-06-03, 04:07
Roversman99,

I am new to the board and fairly ineterest, from the looks of things we have the same type. However they are hard to come by. The girl from that you met in the department store, do you have a contact number or phone, were is she from. PM

PH888_168@hotmail.com

Thanks


Originally posted by roversman99
OOPS !! I did it again
Sorry to hear Shanghai noon that your yahoo trip didnt work out.. I seem to be luckier.
Anyways, saturday, I met a friend I found through Shanghai Expat or Thats Shanghai classsifieds. Met her near a deaprtment store.. its always hit or miss if people are similar to their photo. This time I was lucky. 25 and tall and slim..just my style and very funny and friendly. Had coffee.. then dinner then back to my place. Kissing and.. cuddling and shirt off...but no more. Finished at 2...met another yahoo friend at 12 next morning and went to Pudong with her. Holding hands etc and she said she wanted to go back to my place.. but id arranged to meet the previous one. Dumped her fast but promised to meet next week...and met the first one.. went to my health club, then dinner and back to my place for dvds.and after an hour.. JACKPOT. Got her to bed at midnite, banged till 3am..she stayed.. and at 8..we were UP again.. hot and sweaty till 10 am. Its great when the good ones stay overnight. And another date with her tomorrow night. Now have three regulars...thats enough for an old bloke like me. And dont have to pay a cent except for dinners and drinks. Wife coming in one month... so many girls to meet and so little time. Keep playing the yahoo game.. it really works. And its a GFE every time...8 ladies in 9 weeks aint bad!!
Having night off.. but have made arrangements for tuesday wednsday and thursday night. Where can I get viagra here....???

Lion
05-06-03, 05:25
Originally posted by goldwind

[i]well lion,
The real question is whether women think they do not owe us man anything by paying themselves? Did you do homerun with these women who pay for the EVERYTHING? I will be interested to know.


There has been only one such woman, and yes, it has been a grandslam some nights (4 runs!). I asked her whether Chinese women usually pay for things, and she said it depended on the relationship. She said she usually pays to avoid obligations to guys who ask her out, which leads me to believe that by her paying for everything, she is buying me (sub-consciously at least). I'm tempted to send her a wad of cash just to ease my conscious, but I don't want to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) her off.

OldAsiaHand
05-06-03, 05:57
roversman,

All I can say is congradulations on your track record, and keep up the good work! I envy you. Unfortunately, my wife never gives me enough free time to develop any GFEs.

I would advise a bit of discretion before your wife arrives. Some Chinese girls can be very vengeful if you get too involved. They may not mind if you are married because they think they can "steal" you away. A married friend of mine was blackmailed for quite a bit of money in Chengdu because he had to break it off due to a work transfer. She threatened to call the wife and spill the beans. He ended up negotiating a reasonable settlement but is still cost him. I was seeing a girl in Guangzhou years ago, that managed to get my home number and actually did call my wife. I was able to fast talk my way out of trouble, but it was a very close call. IMHO, if they want to find you, or your wife, they will.

Just be careful, my friend.

OAH

Shanghai Noon
05-06-03, 06:29
I agree with you OAH:

I have heard a lot of horror stories like that. I guess if they really want they can always locate you. I'll think twice about that again. One thing to have fun but not worth the headaches that can follow.

DavidC
05-06-03, 08:57
kudos to all the brothers out there pursuing the hobby in spite
of this damn SARS disease!! I was supposed to be in hong
kong, shanghai and beijing this month, but our meeting in hong kong got cancelled, !#!@$#@%

Lion:
from what I know, the girl u met is a type that's near-distinct,
especially in the land of the gold-diggers(shanghai), never heard a girl offering to fill the tab on a date with an american guy,but 20k US is pretty damn good though, how old is she? if she's
older, as her salary suggests, then it might make more sense

Roversman:
damn, nice!! too bad I'm in and out of the country always, never
have enough time to set up a base...sigh

Roversman 999
05-06-03, 11:43
dear oldasian hand.. thanks for the warning. I came to shanghai forewarned about such issues. And after a few years in manila where even bargirls think they have a claim on you..Im well aware of the traps. Reality is I dont give my real name, and nothing in my apartment has my name on it, nothing is left lying around in case a friend wakes up and goes looking. Wallet is locked up every night i have a sleepover guest. And I only got found out once in Manila..when i girl i chatted with and had webcam sex with.. met me in a cocktail party. But she was cool and so was i... but.. i do take the potential threats seriously and never part on bad terms with my friends. We all take risks but I take lots of precautions. Thanks.

Shanghai Noon
05-06-03, 20:39
As an update, the MP girl came back tonight after closing as she promised. She was great. Great body and really willing to show a good time. Too bad the damn hotel was so hot since they are not allowed to turn on the A/C. Anyways started with all the usual licking and then some very good BBBJ. I then turned her over to rub her clit while she sucked some more. After 10 minutes of this she puts on the condom and gets on top. She starts off by not moving but rhythmically squeezing her muscles. First time for me to actually feel it so strong. She does this for a while and then asks me to go missionary which I oblige for another 15 minutes. I then turn her over for doggie and really gives her for another long while. In the end she was great. Definitely she'll come back a few more times before I leave. My first reallly good one in SH.

OldAsiaHand
05-07-03, 05:24
roversman,

I'm glad to hear that you have been well briefed and are taking all the necessary precautions. IMHO, after 8 years in China, and married to one, most Chinese girls do not sleep around without ulterior motives. Having said that, if I were single with more time on my hands, I would be playing the same game as you and making the best of it!

OldManilaHand, huh? I was over there 7 times last year, but unforunately only once this year. I remember the old days before Ermita was shut down. Am I giving away my age? Now, I usually frequent the Entertainment Complex in Pasay and the Chaos Club. Makati is too expensive for me. Any other suggestions for Manila? How do you compare Filipinas with Chinese girls?

Thanks.

OAH

BlnkNameCruiser
05-07-03, 06:16
good to see you all back. I thought SARS scared you all off and I was the only one left posting....
Great experiences Roversman. I wish I could get the Yahoo profiles to load. I ahve not been able to talk to any of the girls. MAybe my provider blocks them?

Anyway, plan to hunt tonight a little and will report back, then off to Nanjing to explore the hustlers outside my hotel

blanknamecrusier

Roversman 999
05-07-03, 11:28
Dear Old Asia.. Manila is very cheap. Good bars in Burgos street would give hj for US$5 and bj for $10.. if a regular. 3 hours in a motel with jacuzzi was $15 and i never paid... even with bar girls.. tho they did like a gift of a pre paid cell card now and then. Same old yahoo style worked wel there tho with enlgish spoken was easier to approach girls in malls and stores. But still with good san miguel beer costing 20c US you cant go wrong. I mis the place but im perfect heaven here too... wednesday nights fun is waiting... outside my metro station.. gotta fly.....

BlnkNameCruiser
05-08-03, 17:44
Nanjing Score in Sauna
I am so thrilled by todays experience. Partly because it was so affordable for such quality, but also because I really didnt expect it.

I will describe how to get to the location in extreme detail since that is theonly way I know how to tell you all. I want you to be able to find this place, and the street sign is either non existant, or it is some sign I say on the side of a building in Chinese so I cant read it.

OK. Start at the MAndarin Garden Hotel/Howard Johnson located in the Confucious temple area where all that shopping is.... I hope that is clear. The hotel has a different Chinese name.

If you walk out of the hotel, and zig to the right then zag to the left you will be exiting the big gate to the shopping area and next to a KFC.
Turn right out of the gate and walk down the road. (At this point I was hit on by 2 Chinese gay guys in their late 20's. That was a surprise. keep walking past a hospital on the right. About a half mile down(excuse my american measurment) after passin many barber shops which were open I was close to giving up. These barber shops all look promising but the girls never even look at you as you walk to the front door. I suspect their is no action here? I was surprised because usually all the girl only shops late at night means something...

Anyway on the right is a grocery store open at night. then finally on the left, you will see a road. From the main street you can look down this road which curves to the right as you go down it. I saw many barber shop lit and spinning. One on the 2nd floor of a building with stairs on the outside is the one you need to see. You can even see it from the main street. I walked toward it. looking in the other shops on the way. Almost giving up and reluctant to go upstairs I saw the shop sign (the non spinning one) has a picture of a girl in the background of the name in a cue pose. I thought this looked promissing so I walked upstairs.
I walked in and went to the counter. They were obviously not expecting a white guy. I could tell. They were very happy to see me, but not sure how to deal with me since I speak no Chinese. They brough out a guy who can get a few words out and he helped. I noticed there are foot massage chairs but I suspected body as well. They asked me for my shoes, and gave me a locker key. I realized they have a shower facility. This is almost like a sauna. I went to the shower room showered and then they took me to a massage room. I was disappointed to see 3 tables in one room seperated by half ass walls making stalls for each.

They tried to ask what I wanted. I indicated massage by doing the hands on shoulders movement. The guy went out to get a girl. At this point, a crownd of very cute young girls that I saw breifly in the front room alol crowded to my door. I suspect you can pick? I didnt know what to do so some girl just came in. I was again disappointed to see her in jeans, and 2 shirts, and the girl I saw in the skirt was already gone. I could tell these girls were very excited to have me there. Not that I am trying to say I am so special, just reporting how they were acting.

She began my massage with me on my back and her woprking on my neck and shoulders. Then someone called her, she left and came back and worked on my arms. then someone called her again (I was getting annoyed) Another girl came in and tried to talk to me in Chinese. the other girl left. Eventually she gave me the universal finger in the circle motion signal to ask if that is what I wanted. I played dumb for a bit to be sure. I was shocked because this girl was also in jeans and shirt, I really thought in this room she will never take that shit off and really have sex. She continued to endlessly try talking to me in Chinese. Eventually I started to test her by putting my hand up her shirt. She was fine with it. No hesitation. I took out her breast Very nice small b cup firm on this VERY young girl. She was very cute and young. I was very surprised. I kissed her breast and she was totally comfortable. After while of her talking she finally told me it was 300. I agreed without negotiation since I was still skeptical I would really get what I hoped I was suspecting she was telloing me I would get. She left and came back with another paper and then talked and wrote 350. Very long story less long, I grasp that for 350 I can take her to my hotel and 300 we can do the deed here. I was still not confident I understood so I knew there was only one was to find out. zip..... and I pulled her pants off. I layed her on the tanble. She got out the condom.... oh man I cant believe this is really happening.....
we kissed, sucked her breast, and I put it in. She was totally happy about it. No BS. She didnt overact pretending to be getting off, nor grumble in any way. She genuinely seemed pleased to provide. I think 200 would really be the going rate but since I failed to negotiate she was also pleased with the extra money.

After, she still offered for another 50 she could come to my hotel and spend the night. I declined by acting like I didnt understand. I paid her the 300 tip in the room. Fortunately I was thinking ahead enough to bring in my wallet in the pajamas they gave me.

I showered and in the front I paid 50 for the "massage". They said they are happy to have me as their new friend.
I asked what time they open because I think I want to go again before I head back to Shanghai.

I hope you all have achance to find this place. I you want I am happy to meet you here and we can both go, nnext time I come to NJ.

blanknamecrusier

Shanghai Noon
05-09-03, 15:20
Thank Money Tree for the contact info for the apartment girls.

I called her up and went to the apartment today. As soon as I entered she was trying to convince me of doing both girls. I declined because there is only so much of me to go around. After a few minutes of insisting I proceeded with the tall one (as advised by MT).

This girl was unbelievable. Her face was a 7 by my standards but her body was a 8.5 Really nice D's. She proceeded to wash me down thoroughly both my member and my butt. So I knew what was coming. To be honest I was interested but never had the chance for a being licked there. The usual body licking was done with the most vigour of any that I've had. While in the 69 position, I proceded to stick a finger up her butt to see if she was receptive. She was ok with it at first but then complained of discomfort when I went further in. So I knew this was'nt going to be an option. This one was the least hurried of any experience I've had to date. She gave me a very good BBBJ almost to come and I had to stop her and slow it back down. So I knew this girl could suck. We went through the usual positions for me. Each with good patience. At last I was about to come and I wanted to finish with BBBJTCIM. This was the first time I had it in mouth and she was great. Anyways, face is 7, body 8.5, BBBJ 9 and overall enjoyment 9. And at 300RMB a bargain compared to others in SH.

I have one more telephone number I got from a guy who has gone to GZ and I called this girl but she has gone home for a few more days. She will call me when she returns to SH. Will update when she does.

My best time in SH in over 8 trips.

Thanks guys for info.

OldAsiaHand
05-10-03, 06:10
Thanks also to MoneyTree for the number and Shanghai Noon for the great report! I hope I can get to Shanghai soon to try it out, as well, but do not want to take the chance of quarantine coming from Guangdong since it happened to a friend arriving from Beijing. This damn SARS!

If I have to bet, I would say blanknamecruiser will be the next to try those apartment girls. Looking forward to his report.

We are thinking about putting together a sort of "Mongers Convention" in Dongguan this summer. Any of you guys from the Shanghai board interested in coming down for a taste of the treats in the South?

OAH

Shsboy
05-10-03, 07:25
Originally posted by Shanghai Noon
Thank Money Tree for the contact info for the apartment girls.

I called her up and went to the apartment today. As soon as I entered she was trying to convince me of doing both girls. I declined because there is only so much of me to go around. After a few minutes of insisting I proceeded with the tall one (as advised by MT).

This girl was unbelievable. Her face was a 7 by my standards but her body was a 8.5 Really nice D's. She proceeded to wash me down thoroughly both my member and my butt. So I knew what was coming. To be honest I was interested but never had the chance for a being licked there. The usual body licking was done with the most vigour of any that I've had. While in the 69 position, I proceded to stick a finger up her butt to see if she was receptive. She was ok with it at first but then complained of discomfort when I went further in. So I knew this was'nt going to be an option. This one was the least hurried of any experience I've had to date. She gave me a very good BBBJ almost to come and I had to stop her and slow it back down. So I knew this girl could suck. We went through the usual positions for me. Each with good patience. At last I was about to come and I wanted to finish with BBBJTCIM. This was the first time I had it in mouth and she was great. Anyways, face is 7, body 8.5, BBBJ 9 and overall enjoyment 9. And at 300RMB a bargain compared to others in SH.

I have one more telephone number I got from a guy who has gone to GZ and I called this girl but she has gone home for a few more days. She will call me when she returns to SH. Will update when she does.

My best time in SH in over 8 trips.

Thanks guys for info.


Can someone send the phone number of the apartment girl to me (shsboy20002@yahoo.com) please. Thanks

BlnkNameCruiser
05-10-03, 17:17
well OldAsiaHand,
you are right on, except that I need to speak Chinese to call the apartment girls, and.. I dont.

Now what do I do? Someone want to go in with me who DOES speak Chinese?

blanknamecruiser

Shsboy
05-10-03, 18:04
Originally posted by blnknamecruiser
well OldAsiaHand,
you are right on, except that I need to speak Chinese to call the apartment girls, and.. I dont.

Now what do I do? Someone want to go in with me who DOES speak Chinese?

blanknamecruiser

I will go with you, email me at shsboy20002@yahoo.com

Sniffer
05-10-03, 18:45
Hi Shanghai Noon or Money Tree! Thanks for the excellent reports! Sounds like a real bargain and wonderful experience! Can you please e-mail the phone number to be as well: sniffer0203@yahoo.ca

SeattleGman
05-11-03, 04:33
Can anyone suggest a girl friendly 4-5 start hotel near the Hilton. I like that area due to the proximity to where I'm going. The Hilton lets girls in, but I found most girls don't like going inside because they have to pay a fee to the security. I'd prefer to stay somewhere there is action nearby. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Lucky888
05-11-03, 05:04
SeattleGman--

I've stayed at Hilton and brought girls in before multiple times and never paid a dime to anyone. Even had a girl call me in my room at 2 or 3 am and I had to go pick her up at the door. No questions asked and no money to security.

The other key is just march in like you know exactly what you're doing, going right past security without looking at them. Treat her like a girlfriend and you should be okay. Oh and it helps if she doesn't look like a total SW.

Hotel Equitorial is next door and 4 or 5 star. Supposed to have a revamped fitness center that is really nice. It's almost certainly no problem to bring girls in there, as I have heard of many guys picking up girls in the bar there (the bar with the live band).

There's also the Jing An hotel behind the Hilton. Maybe 3 or 4 star...not sure. Don't know anything about it.

Another great option is a serviced apartment that does daily or weekly stays. In my experience, the never hassle you. I've seen others say the same on these boards, too.


Blank--Thanks for your reply on the SJ AMP question. Looking forward to your report on the SHA apartment....and wishing I was there to go with you.

OldAsiaHand
05-11-03, 05:37
Originally posted by SeattleGman
Can anyone suggest a girl friendly 4-5 start hotel near the Hilton. I like that area due to the proximity to where I'm going. The Hilton lets girls in, but I found most girls don't like going inside because they have to pay a fee to the security. I'd prefer to stay somewhere there is action nearby. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

SeattleGman,

One way to avoid the above, although a bit of a hassle to get up and get dressed after the deed, is to escort the girl out of the hotel and into a taxi. The girls really appreciate this gesture.

OAH

OldAsiaHand
05-11-03, 05:47
Originally posted by blnknamecruiser
well OldAsiaHand,
you are right on, except that I need to speak Chinese to call the apartment girls, and.. I dont.

Now what do I do? Someone want to go in with me who DOES speak Chinese?

blanknamecruiser

blanknamecruiser,

Your post raises an interesting thought. What we need is a monger phrase book! English so we can understand, PinYin so we can attempt to speak, and Chinese so we can point it out. It would be very helpful for us non-fluent mongers. I have read some posts with key phrases in PinYin on various China boards, but nothing really comprehensive. Even with my basic Chinese conversational language skills, I would have never figured out "playing the flute". Any volunteers?

Thanks.

OAH

Lucky888
05-11-03, 09:11
Originally posted by OldAsiaHand
blanknamecruiser,

Your post raises an interesting thought. What we need is a monger phrase book!

<snip>


Try to find ISBN 4-900737-13-5 called "making out in chinese." I bought it in Taiwan. It's not so much a book for mongers as for a guy looking to meet and keep a girl. Also a good beginner phrase book for non-mongering purposes. However, several pages are dedicated to sex terms, including missionary style, doggie style, bite, lick, cum, pussy, cock, etc etc. Only english and pinyin, no Kanji. However, I think the kanji is least important. I know all of about 5 kanji, none of which are monger-related, but I've always gotten along fine. If anyone knows a better reference, let us know....this book does not, unfortunately contain literal translations like "playing the flute" or "shoot fire."

However, here's a fun one I learned from my free KTV hostess in Suzhou (see reports below):
"horny wolf" = she lang (that's pinyin, phonetic english would be something like: shur-lahng)
Oh, she taught me the kanji for "swallow" but didn't give me the pinyin, so I can neither post the kanji here nor tell you how to say it...shite.

SeattleGman
05-11-03, 17:07
lucky888 and OldAsiaHand

I have never been asked to pay a fee, but the girls indicate they have. The Equitorial sounds good. I have stayed in the one in Penang before and it was good. Thank you both for sharing your insight. I will share my experiences if my trip plan go through.

Genuis8
05-11-03, 18:16
lucky888,

The prnounciation for the word SWALLOW is TOON (like cartoon) using the 1st/lightest tone.

OldAsiaHand
05-12-03, 03:31
SeattleGMan:

Yes, the security guys grab the girls on the way out of the hotel and extort a cut of the actions sometimes.

Equatorial is a good value (less than 700RMB net), but the rooms are smaller and not as nice as the Hilton. I've stayed at both.

OAH

BlnkNameCruiser
05-12-03, 16:10
The Teppanyaki Saga continues....
Well.. I will cross my fingers. I went to eat there again tonight. The cute chef cooked for me. After dinner she massaged my shoulders and told me that when I called her on Sat (the agreed day for her to come over) she was sleeping and she called me Sunday. I told her I didnt believe since I never received a call and would have happily met her.

She showed me the call registered on her phone to prove it. So that must mean she is still into it.

We chat about my favorite massage is the back walking type. She excitedly said she can do this. I suggested she come to my place and do it. She tells me tomorrow is her day off. We agreed to meet at 6pm for pay massage. She complained that when she does not work at the restaurant, she makes no money. Since business is slow now she needs the $$. This made me even happier that this may become a paid transaction, then there is more clear line of business and not girlfriend.

I will report back tomorrow nite, regardless of the outcome. I am keeping my fingers crossed.

blanknamecrusier

Wang
05-13-03, 09:08
Love the interesting posts. You guys are hilarious. In pinyin :-

playing the flute = chui di (sounds like choo-ey and "de" in deluxe)

shoot fire = chu huo (choo and who-war)

If anyone is wondering. :-)

OldAsiaHand
05-13-03, 12:02
blankie,

Thanks for the update on the Teppanyaki. It looks like my original theory is panning out, but I still could be wrong. The question is how do we define GFE? It is a very fine line. Looking forward to the details tomorrow.

OAH

Found It
05-13-03, 15:27
Moneytree;
Thanks man ! You've got mail!~!

For the other mongers who MT was gracious enough to share the "Apartment" girls number with, perhaps you also have mail.

To the others, I will post later once my brain returns...since it was ****ed out of my head today!!

Stay safe..Happy Hunting...and SARs is only a bump in the road to our hobby..ENJOY!!

PHunter

Always Needing It
05-13-03, 15:40
I am a overseas Chinese in Shanghai now for about 6 months. I have not been frequenting the usual pick-ups (ktv, bars, massage, dark hair saloons, etc).

My thrills came from frequenting service places which are predominantly rendered by young (18-20 year olds) chicks from the provinces i.e. hair saloons and foot massages are my favourites. Modus operandii: go just before closing, don't pick the gals, just take whoever is in line, chat light-heartedly on our "yuan fen", asked where/what jobs she had worked to find out how long she's been away from home and how long she's been in Shanghai, where she's staying and whom she share the apartment with to see if it is convenient for her to leave with me after work, where she goes for day-offs to see if she has many friends, and finally, if she would continue the massage at my place after work. My skin is dry, I'm tired and that I will pay whatever I was paying to the shop plus tips.

I am happy to report that 1 in 5 will agree to leave w/ me, and 1 in 2 will let me go all the way. It is almost a done thing if she agreed to do the massage after I had a shower and only the towels on! Also, the success rates is significantly higher in Gubei area, I presumed they are more 'hamsuplaos' like me who had worked on them :)

OldAsiaHand
05-13-03, 16:15
blankie,

I lost my bet. Good thing I did not put any money on it. PHunter beat you to the punch with the apartment girls. You better get your ass in gear (hehehe).

OAH

P.S. Any of you guys have connections with the airport authorities in Shanghai? I am jealous as hell! This damn quarantine is keeping me off the next plane!

OldAsiaHand
05-13-03, 16:23
Originally posted by Wang
Love the interesting posts. You guys are hilarious. In pinyin :-

playing the flute = chui di (sounds like choo-ey and "de" in deluxe)

shoot fire = chu huo (choo and who-war)

If anyone is wondering. :-)

Wang,

You are our publisher! PinYin with English phonetics! Can you collaborate with genuis8 and do the phrase book for us? Please follow Terms & Abbreviations link above. If you have the time..... We will take up a collection and treat you guys to a FS session with the two apartment girls in exchange. Right guys?

Thanks.

OAH

DayNight
05-14-03, 03:50
So, you need horizontal street level Mandarin?


I got this one:

Outrageous Chinese
A Guide to Chinese Street Language
ISBN: 0835125327
US$ 9.95


http://www.ocrat.com/catalog/OuCh.html
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0835125327/ref=ase_ocratchinesepage/104-6299928-9382336

You can buy it also in China in some of the 5-Star hotel book shops.

asiaheadhunter
05-14-03, 04:22
Have had some good luck in Gubei recently. Very close to Carrefour on Yanan Lu if you walk back from Carrefour about a block and a half to Gubei Lu same side as Carrefour you will see 3-4 barbershops with girls well dressed sitting inside. On the third or fourth (can't remember now, but it sits further from the street than the others.) I found a lucky hit. Was invited in to all of them but this one had a cuttie that looked like my style. 6 face, maybe 7 body. So I went on in.

Nice surprise, moves you to a bedroom close by quickly and explained that she provided full service and charged rmb300. So I was so happy with the deal I did not bother haggling.

Well, glad I did'nt as I received the full GFE and had a long unhurried session with her where she gave a great BBBJ as well as several poisitions before the finish. Good value for money. Have been back one more time and received the same service again.

So who can turn me on to these apartment girls? If someone can point me ( or part of me ) in the right direction would be grateful.

Levitian
05-14-03, 05:03
Hello,

Anybody willing to share the tel. number of the infamous appartment girls with me?

Thanks in advance, fellows

Travel to China
05-14-03, 06:41
Hi Money Tree, OAH, and all,

I will be traveling to Shanghai and Wen Zhuo for business trip at the end of June. I am very execited about the places since I read many great stroies from the msg board. I am very interested in getting some phone numbers to some the apartment girls, and website to where to find them. you can email me for things like phone number. About find GFE type of girl, I have been emailing some Shanghai girls from their posts in the online newspaper. Hopefully, I get lucky when I am in Shanghai. Some are very interested in meeting me and ask where I work. Maybe she's interested in money. I don't know.

Again, please post some phone numbers of the apartment girls, and website to where to find them.

Thank all.... please contuine to share your great stories to the board.

T2C

BlnkNameCruiser
05-14-03, 09:30
All and OAH,
OAH, You dont need special connection to come here. They have flights daily from HK and other areas. All you have to do is health checks in the hotels. Maybe you and I can double duty on the next trip. We will start off with apt girls then down to Nanjing for the sauna girls. yum yum

All,
The Teppanyaki Chef didn't cook my meat. I wish I could say she cooked me raw.

OK Here it goes. I am supposed to meet her at 6. At 4:30 I get a last minute meeting called which last until 7. After I go to the restaurant where we were meeitng, even though it was her day off. She ended up working since they had surprise ruchh of customers. She couldnt leave until 12. ok I came back at 12. Started getting a bad feeling like it may not happen. She would nt leave. then finally she talked to the girl I had previously nailed, and they both left with me to my apartment. Now I thought I was going to have a great story to tell you all. No such luck. We watched DVD's for about 30 minutes, then the previous girl wanted to leave. Fine with me, BUT she wanted teh chef to leave with her. For some stupid reason the chef did leave. She looked at me like she didnt mean it, but she left anyways. What the hell?!
I dont know what to think. This chef has had my cock in her hand, and I have been all over her breasts on mulitple occasions in the restaurant, but now she somes to my place and wont put out?

hmmm.... maybe I will try one more time.... not sure.

blanknamecruiser

OldAsiaHand
05-14-03, 14:26
Originally posted by blnknamecruiser
All and OAH,
OAH, You dont need special connection to come here. They have flights daily from HK and other areas. All you have to do is health checks in the hotels. Maybe you and I can double duty on the next trip. We will start off with apt girls then down to Nanjing for the sauna girls. yum yumBlankie,

Heard down here that all arrivals in Shanghai from heavily affected areas e.g. Guangdong, Beijing was mandatory quarantine. I would be coming from Shenzhen.

OAH

OldAsiaHand
05-14-03, 15:53
Blankie,

Teppanyaki.....I have no idea what they were up to. Did the subject of money come up at all? Does the chef know that you did the first one? Many times, they like to bring a friend for safety purposes. Anyway, keep us posted.

OAH

OldAsiaHand
05-14-03, 15:56
DayNight,

Thanks. Will check it out.

OAH

BlnkNameCruiser
05-14-03, 17:07
Oldie,
I just had someone from Hong Kong arrive today. All they did was take temp checks on the plane before deboarding and then when arrive at hotel they recheck and before you leave they recheck. No big deal.

About teppenayaki...
originally I offered money for massage, the otehr day.... but that day they came over I think they chat about the inside of my place and the one who had been there descibed it to her. I am only guessing. I think the chef knows... but still... I dont know what to think. frustrating...

blankie

Just Me
05-14-03, 19:51
Blank,
i know you've heard this before, but just a friendly warning.
Be careful of overusing the "freebie" stuff.

My lease ran out in Beijing, had to find a new place. I used a local agent and looked at about 10 places.

Ended up finding one, she and I went to dinner. I went to my place to do some work after dinner, she came with me coz it was close.
We ended up watching DVD's. she stayed over wanting to stay in the second bedroom.
she ended up in my bed, just sleeping.
But, in the morning, we went at it. She's beautiful with large fake tits and I was thinking , boy this is great.

So, we went out a couple of times, dinner, sex, etc.

that was 5 months ago. I CAN'T GET RID OF HER. SHE'S A STALKER. haha.

Just be careful, they will get very clingy.

But, good luck.

BTW, I use ICQ for some contacts, and it works great.

just me

Roversman 999
05-15-03, 00:52
last months fling.. who was cute and professional and wanted an adventure with a married man was calling me all day yesterday..asking who I slept with and why has she got an uncomfortable itchy pussy. Made all sorts of dire threats and blamed the size of my dick for "wounding and abusing her ????etc /
i advised her to go to a doctor. She did..and she had nothing more than a yeast infection which was clearly nothing to do with me. She was advised to stay off sex for a while.
Think am now free of her but yeah.. she was quite clingy too.....calling me at 2.00am to check if i was home on the nights she didnt sleep over. Dont mind the wife doing that..but not the temporary gf
Maybe we need mandarin here for "its over honey...."
haahah
Enjoy those gals.....and stay healthy

MoneyTree
05-15-03, 01:10
everyone has to make their bad experiences with clingy chinese girls. never give out your home number or official adress and hope she forgets where exactly you live.

Dumping freebies can become quite dangerous, especially when they are not local Shanghainese and have a different view on what it means to have sex with someone. The more often she stays over the more serious it gets. I would say after the third time you will get problems, the more conservative the girl the quicker.

Might end up having her angry brother up on you from some poor province or many many other types of troubles which you cant even imagine. just take it as a word of warning. especially dumping in a I have another woman and just played you out type of manner will make her all to shy and nice personality into an imaginative creature with crazy ideas on how to cause harm to you. best is to say you are going back to your country and will call her as soon as you are back or whatever.

nothing beats a 300RMB fuck to this kind of clingy BS. and i have to say i dont find chinese woman to be interesting beyong their physical appearance, cant understand why anyone would still be looking for freebies its going to cost you beyong a nice pro or semi pro of which there are tons around and you will never have hassles. esp the beautiful young woman who all have many old tw and hk men interested to marry them you gotta lose feathers through shopping for stuff with her etc. in a sense every girl has certain intentions or benefits to engage with you, so be aware. i doubt its worth exploiting the intentions she has to be with you. no girl in china is interested in you because you are a nice guy, never know what exactly is going on in their heads. with hookers at least you can calculate the damage. if you go for freebies go for shanghai locals, at least they seem to know the deal, but no guarantees they wont end up camping in front of your apartment. seen it all before...

DayNight
05-15-03, 05:25
MoneyTree
I think freebies are OK when you are out of town. But you should not get active in your own backyard. Or at least, don't give out phone numbers, addresses etc. Don't bring her to your home, go to a hotel.

I friend of mine got close to the semi-pro girl. She got really serious, learned English, and then called his wife to discuss his future.

Absolute horror story!

Travel to China
05-15-03, 07:37
Hey OHA and Money tree & others,

Please email me the apartment girls' number to me in Shanghai. And other link where i can find nices girls too. [email deleted by Admin]

thanks guys

T2C

The purpose of the WSG Forum is to provide a public place for the exchange of information for men who are looking for sex with women. Unfortunately, there has been a recent escalation in the number of new members whose only contribution to the Forum have been requests for information to be "backchanneled" to them via their email address. Obviously, this does nothing to enhance the value of the Forum's collective database.

Therefore, following the policies of other Forums, I have decided that Regular Members may not post email or website addresses in their reports. Any reports from Regular Members containing email or website addresses will be edited. Subsequence reports will be deleted in their entirety.

If you have information, then post it. If you want information, then post a question.

Senior Members, by virtue of their significant contributions to the Forum, are exempted from this limitation and thus may post email and website addresses in their reports if they so desire.

As always, your comments are welcome, although if you want me to read them you should post them in the "Comment on Site Rules" area of the Administration Section of the Forum.

Thanks,

Jackson

Sniffer
05-15-03, 18:01
Totally agreed with Daylight and MoneyTree. Somehow one has to separate the pro's and the GF. GF may be OK when one is on the road. But where you live, you may only want a pro. Money paid, service provided, no misunderstanding....

MT: Speaking of witch... can you please e-mail the number of those apartment gals? (sniffer0203@yahoo.ca) Thanks!

Flyer69
05-15-03, 21:33
Good to see the hobby is still going good in Shanghai...

I will be back there in about 3/4 weeks. Look forward to the apartment girls.

Could someone email me contact details. [email address deleted by Admin]

The purpose of the WSG Forum is to provide a public place for the exchange of information for men who are looking for sex with women. Unfortunately, there has been a recent escalation in the number of new members whose only contribution to the Forum have been requests for information to be "backchanneled" to them via their email address. Obviously, this does nothing to enhance the value of the Forum's collective database.

Therefore, following the policies of other Forums, I have decided that Regular Members may not post email or website addresses in their reports. Any reports from Regular Members containing email or website addresses will be edited. Subsequence reports will be deleted in their entirety.

If you have information, then post it. If you want information, then post a question.

Senior Members, by virtue of their significant contributions to the Forum, are exempted from this limitation and thus may post email and website addresses in their reports if they so desire.

As always, your comments are welcome, although if you want me to read them you should post them in the "Comment on Site Rules" area of the Administration Section of the Forum.

Thanks,

Jackson

Levitian
05-16-03, 01:17
Jackson, fellow hunters,

I recently checked out some of the places (teahouse on Yanan Road, barber shops in the center of town, etc.) discussed and proposed on this board. Apparently, all these places mentioned here are now closed. This could be related to SARS, but this could also be related to the fact, that Big Brother is watching?

To be careful!

Levitian

OldAsiaHand
05-16-03, 03:15
Gentlemen:

As I have mentioned before on this thread, due to similar horror stories as have been posted here recently, I always keep it commercial.

I have never, in eight years in China (living in Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou and Shenzhen). ever had a freebie that did not cling or ask for something eventually, if she knew how to contact me. As MoneyTree has said so well, "No girl in China is sleeping with you because you are a nice guy. You can take that to the bank! It will always cost you in the end, in one way or another.

Many Chinese girls are not as straightforward as we find in the West. There is a saying in Chinese, "Kou Shi Xin Fei". Loosely translated it means, "What is said, is not from the heart" This is why it is so difficult to figure out where Chinese women are coming from. One needs to read between the lines.

DayNight has made a very good point. If you are single, or, otherwise available, and do not mind the clinging, paying in the end. or looking for a serious relationship, you can play the freebie game. Otherwise, never let them know how to contact you.

Just my POV....

OAH

BlnkNameCruiser
05-17-03, 15:27
A Clingy Barbershop girl in Nanjing once showed up at my hotel room door. She only knew what hotel, but managed to find my room! I had a male guest who I didn't want to know that I was mongering so I played it off as if she had the wrong room.

THe point is that even though she was a pay for play, she wouldnt' put out or any good action in the shop, so I was talking super sweet in order to get her to give it up. I was unsuccessful but she really took it to heart. This may be the danger of the freebie. Not that they are free, but they take some sweet talking to get in the sack. I think ROversman had found some of the right girls that take less effort and maybe they are not as hung up.
I will still look for the freebies, but there are some girls I know that I am not "doing" becasue I know they will expect a relationship. The ones that I can feel out as being an easier going girl, I will consider.
I think the real key is either avoid them or pay close attention to their attitude before actually having sex.

blanknamecruiser

Aaron
05-17-03, 17:43
I totally agree with Blacknamecruiser and OldAsiaHand. I met several KTV girls in Shanghai. They all want to offer me freebies and wanted to become my girlfriends, even though I told every single one of them I was married. One of them even called me and yelled at me after she discovered the money I put inside her jeans pocket when she was taking a shower. The good thing was they would come whenever I called them. I could even go to their apartments sometimes. Everytime I insisted to leave (pay) them some money (according to the market price) in order to avoid the "problem".

There are some suggestions to you guys.
1. Do not think freebie is a good think, always pay them.
2. Do not tell the girls your phone numbers (besides your mobile phones). Some of the girls called me around 2~3am because it was the time they got off from work.
3. Do not believe them. Seriously, do not believe them. They can make up any story at any time at any situation. Some of my friends did not realize they were cheated by the girls.

Roversman 999
05-18-03, 03:49
I think Blank got it right. Pay attention to who they are, how they seem before looking for the freebie. Ive only had freebies since I got here.. ( well almost haha) but also havent had much trouble. All of them also get the standard ine that maybe due to SArs business is bad so maybe I have to leave by June and move to HK. Always have the escape route.
But by and large, mine have been great. Spent the weekend with one ( am in her apartment now in Nanjng Lu). She doesnt know my real name, knows my cell but not my office number, and Im ready to move service aprtment in a day if I need to. But I think after 20 years of mongering, I know the wheat from the chaff . I hope so. I know that things are differnt here as they are in all countries ( Indonesians are the world champion clingers!!!) and filipinas just expect to get broken hearts anyway..but here....Im happy about the freebie situation, but Im also extra cautious. Guess thats the way to do it.
Happy mongering brothers.

Roversman 999
05-18-03, 03:49
I think Blank got it right. Pay attention to who they are, how they seem before looking for the freebie. Ive only had freebies since I got here.. ( well almost haha) but also havent had much trouble. All of them also get the standard ine that maybe due to SArs business is bad so maybe I have to leave by June and move to HK. Always have the escape route.
But by and large, mine have been great. Spent the weekend with one ( am in her apartment now in Nanjng Lu). She doesnt know my real name, knows my cell but not my office number, and Im ready to move service aprtment in a day if I need to. But I think after 20 years of mongering, I know the wheat from the chaff . I hope so. I know that things are differnt here as they are in all countries ( Indonesians are the world champion clingers!!!) and filipinas just expect to get broken hearts anyway..but here....Im happy about the freebie situation, but Im also extra cautious. Guess thats the way to do it.
Happy mongering brothers.

Roversman 999
05-18-03, 03:50
I think Blank got it right. Pay attention to who they are, how they seem before looking for the freebie. Ive only had freebies since I got here.. ( well almost haha) but also havent had much trouble. All of them also get the standard ine that maybe due to SArs business is bad so maybe I have to leave by June and move to HK. Always have the escape route.
But by and large, mine have been great. Spent the weekend with one ( am in her apartment now in Nanjng Lu). She doesnt know my real name, knows my cell but not my office number, and Im ready to move service aprtment in a day if I need to. But I think after 20 years of mongering, I know the wheat from the chaff . I hope so. I know that things are differnt here as they are in all countries ( Indonesians are the world champion clingers!!!) and filipinas just expect to get broken hearts anyway..but here....Im happy about the freebie situation, but Im also extra cautious. Guess thats the way to do it.
Happy mongering brothers.

KingPeter
05-18-03, 05:14
No such thing as a free meal anywhere. I have been to the Philippines, Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan, and mainland China. No matter who, and how I patronized someone it is always brief and I always carry two phones. I am lucky so far, free meal here and there, and also my line of work does not allow me to stay too long in one area, 3-4 days and back out again. Why the concern? Just be careful

asiaheadhunter
05-19-03, 05:31
Will someone POST the apartment girls phone number on this website since the webmaster does not think that we newbies should be given the same rights as other members, sounds like a closed club to me. Also many member have shown their class by not ADVERTISING girls information without the girls knowledge. But it is pretty useless for everyone to talk about these exereinces if they are not willing to give tips on how to find it. I have personally given close to 10 members addresses in Xin Zhuang via email from a earlier post I made on this board. But it sounds to me that the webmaster thinks that he has enough members to his little club. I wonder if this will get posted actually?

AsiaHeadHunter,

You exemplify the reason for this new policy. I reviewed your contributions to the Forum with the specific intention of finding any small justification to change your membership to Senior Member. What I found was that you've made a total of 6 posts, five of which were asking questions and offering to exchange information via email off the website, and only one post that actually provided information.

Nevertheless, I'll make you an offer: If you will post just one detailed report on the scene in your area, then I will immediately change your membership.

That's all it takes, just one fact-filled report.

Thanks,

Jackson

BlnkNameCruiser
05-19-03, 15:58
Value Meal on MaoMing Lu,

I wandered to Maoming lu on Sunday nite around 10. It was really dead. All I did was look around, then I made eye contact with a very cute young thin girl walking down the street. She looked at me and kept walking. After she looked back I made it obvious I was looking at her. We went to a bar and had some juice and chat. She ended up holding my hand and we just had what seemed like a regular date.

We left and wlaked around. Eventually she mentioned she could come to my place. We went and after a little chatting, she took a bath. I was going to give her her space, but she left the door open. I walked in and she told me to get in with her. We played around in the tub, but since nothing was totally clear about the terms of the deal, I was simply playful. She was as comfortable and warm to me as a girlfriend.

Then we went to bed and just cuddled. She started to get a little frisky, but I was taking my time so as not to blow it. She quietly mentioned she needed some money, which made the deal clear to me. I told her that was fine and we didnt negotiate, just simply agreed on 800.

Then I knew the light was green so I began to get all over her, DATY etc. She did on me to. After sex which I admittedly didnt last long because of the build up, and she was very very cute, sweet and total GFE.

After I came, she didnt and she spent the next 10 minutes trying to get me hard again. When I was, she got back on me and started grinding me the way she wanted to until she came. Now I am not new on the block. I know these pro's dont really cum, but if this was fake, then she is the ultimate value actress, being sure to make me think she did by going the extra mile to fake it after I am already satisfied and could care less if she came.

Then in the morning, I got back onto her and we had sex again and I came, then she was mad at me for not lasting long enough for her to cum, since I got up to take a shower.

All in all, the best over all value. Plus I never have seen that good looking young girl on Maoming Lu. Her body was thin, with b cups, and an actual ass which peaked out just right. It was a great experience.

blanknamecrusier

Levitian
05-20-03, 07:50
Jackson,

What's the story?

I thouht the "raison d'etre' for this forum is to change infos.

I rather prefer good and useful tips than most of these 'experience reports'as most of them are quite childish, anyway.

I rather prefer to share information about the where- and whatabout than about the sexual experiences of myself and others.

AHH, yuo definitely have my support here!

Levitian

I just reviewed your reports and made an easy decision to change your membership to Senior Member.

Thanks for your contributions!

Jackson

Jumbo88
05-20-03, 08:58
blnknamecruiser

Man! I guess you got lucky to find a stray pussy. Sex Business scene in SH is taking quite a tough beating lately due to SARS. Decreased demand. A lot of the regular KTV/Bar girls are on the streets. By Shanghai standard, RMB800 for an all night deal, that's pretty good.

I hope that you kept her number. She could become your source to other girls since they are always in groups.

Happy hunting!!!

BlnkNameCruiser
05-20-03, 10:15
Jumbo,
yea she actually told me later that she doesnt work bars much. Only sometimes. I dont know what else she does, but I dont care as long as I get her when I want. I did get her number.
Also she said she wants to hook me up with her friends as a GF type of deal. No money just a a girl looking for a boyfriend. I am not sure what I will do about that yet.

blanknamecruiser

DayNight
05-20-03, 11:21
Originally posted by blnknamecruiser
Jumbo,
No money just a a girl looking for a boyfriend.
blanknamecruiser

No money? Watch out! This will get REAL expensive!

DavidC
05-20-03, 21:14
damn this SARS thing!
I would be in shanghai today if not for the travel restrictions
my company put on going to China!!!

Levitian
05-21-03, 04:28
To the rescue of the integrity of 'girls in Shanghai':

In Europe where I come from free sex without any expectations offered by a girl also is the exception rather than the rule. Why should this be different here in China?

And yes: you have many girls from the countryside here in Shanghai, attracted by the 'bright light, big city'. Their only reason to come here is to make a living, or at least a better living compared to where they come from.

I live in Shanghai now since several years. My active barfly and hunting years are over, yet, I had my fun here (still do), and sometimes even 'for free'. There are girls out there who just are curious, want to try out, and sometimes also try 'foreign food' (so to say).

Not so long time ago there was an add in 'That's Shanghai', placed by a Chinese woman, who was luckily married, but was looking for pure physical adventure. She was looking for a one-night stand without any further obligations.
The story is true, as one of my friend dated her and screwed her one afternoon in a hotel room. She did not tell her name, and they never saw each other again afterwards.
You see what I mean?! But, in general, better not expecting too much!

Jackson, thanks for the 'upgrade', I do appreciate.

Levitian

SeattleGman
05-21-03, 04:56
Can anyone comment on the action in PuDong? I am staying at the Sofitel Jin Jiang Oriental Pudong Shanghai Hotel. Does anyone know if there is any working girls inside or nearby the hotel? I normally stay at the Hilton where I know there is action in and outside the hotel. Any advice is always appreciated.

Found It
05-21-03, 05:19
As Levitian stated in his post, the commercial sex scene is taking a beating now with SARS-business is way off and that means the Seller's market is now a Buyer's market. The girls are definitely getting more aggressive and actively prowling the streets for business these days. Prices have dropped considerably, and anything more than RMB 500-800 is too much right now. On the other hand, the level of "movement control" has seriously escalated in the last several days, so the difficulty of getting a girl back to your place is higher. All hotels/service apartments/residential complexes are now required to record the ID number of each local visitor. Just something to consider...if your lady has been to any place that might have a SARS case, it could be interesting explaining later why you are quarantined.

On the current thread of "free-sex", I agree that it is possible to find in Shanghai and is not so difficult. I have had several one-nighters with local girls, mostly married who are not getting enough at home, and, while the hunt is equally challenging as with the pros, the downside is that you never know whether or not there is a "pay back" due. Case in point, one lady who I had regular weekly sessions with for about a year decided to call it quits. Then, almost one year later, she calls me and ask if I can write her a guarantee letter so she can get credit card!! There REALLY is NO FREE LUNCH.

Stay safe and happy hunting!

Levitian
05-21-03, 06:37
PHunter,

you lucky bastard: that's quite a reasonable 'price' for what you got.
Reminds me on the fact that I automatically get alarmed when I am called 'lao pengyou' = 'old friend', no matter if by girl or boy: it nearly always means there will be a favor to be asked in the foreseeable future.

Levitian

OldAsiaHand
05-21-03, 06:52
Gentlemen,

I am really enjoying this ongoing dialogue about the pros (no pun intended) and cons of freebies.

PHunter has raised a good point about married girls. Both parties in it for the same thing so to speak. I do not (well I can't say never) pursue this avenue very often for two reasons. First, I do not want to find a jealous husband on my doorstep with an automatic, or jumped in an alley by a bunch of his friends. Second, I always feel a bit guilty about it. Sort of unwritten rule about comradery among married guys even if I don't know the guy. Call me old-fashioned, but I would not want to be on the other side of the fence.

I better stop going home so often with an empty pistol and do some more homework to keep her happy and content!

OAH

P.S. PHunter, I will never introduce you to my wife....lol.

Jumbo88
05-21-03, 07:25
I agree with levitian and PHhunter's posts. here are my comments.

I am pretty much in the same position as Levitian (lived here in China for 10 years/cooling down on active barflies and huntings) with the exception of ME married to a Shanghai lady. Tough Luck! Had to some how settle down here... She is pretty cool though. She will never ever allow me to fuck around in Shanghai or keep a ER NAI (Mistress). But, she will just open one eye, shutting the other when I travel around on business trips escapades.

Anyway, the current scene is just not the same as before(3-5years ago). From my observation, the new generation Shanghai girls (young 20 somethings) are just much more matrialistic, shrewed and heartless. $$ and possible foreign residence are their top priorities. Unlike the good old days, where you could still find a good gem in DDs or YYs.

It's so true that some of these late 20s and thirtysomethings are looking for "foreign food". These girls probably got married out necessity to some Noveau Rich. But those dudes tend to be really awful lovers, plus they also fuck around outside. Most of my Chinese partners/friends have a mistress on the side. Hence, these ladies are sort of seeking revenge on their husbands.

Fellow mongers, if you want free sex, and got the looks and skills, go for the married kind or lonely ER NAIs. These are your best bet. Great sex without any strings attached. Trust me!

Been reading some of the Chinese language boards lately (I can read and type, no handwriting though). Some of these local guys just don't have a clue about how to have proper sex. We really need to rescue these Chinese ladies and show them a good time.

Good luck guys!

Levitian
05-21-03, 08:56
Fellow dinosaur jumbo88,

I did like the expression 'one eye shut, the other open', very Chinese. Heart that before.
I am around also since approx. 10 years, so I am quite confident that we met, even know each other, especially since you mentioned the old 'hot spots' YY's and DD's, places I did frequented often during my hunting years.

I do share your observations, and even if we do risk to sound like 2 old grumpies, I do confirm your statement: It was better/nicer back then.

But then again: I also don't look for freebies any longer, also because of marriage reasons (and thus, related restrictions and controls) and possible 'ma fan' consequences resulting out of an originally-intended-to-be-free action. So, maybe, I am just not qualified to compare "then" and "today" any longer.

Levitian

Prosal
05-21-03, 15:09
Hi guys, i will soon spend two wholes weeks in Shangai and did a search on this thread but couldn't find the current best spots (bars/discos/pubs) to score uni girls/models without contract:)/bored married women partying/well in fact any one- nighters local girls interested by westerners..... late evening hunting grounds and any pub and disco recommandation is welcome...
Thanks in advance, anyway i've been appreciate the reading of this thread ;

BlnkNameCruiser
05-21-03, 15:29
Rim job and no trim in Hangzhou sauna.

I stayed at WuYang Hotel in hangzhou at No.48 Qing Chun Rd.
got in late. wanted to walk around and look for barber shops but knew it would take too long and I was tired.

Went to the sauna. got a massage. decent. very cute face on a semi thick but far from fat or undesirable 24 y/o. No english capabilities at all. Not just not really any english. I mean none.

At the end of the massage she was trying to ask if I wanted to continue longer. I ended up negotiating with the manager woman who enticed me wiht what was to come. She offered that the girl can massage my member or massage me wiht her breasts but no FS. I was bummed. I really prefer FS. I negotiated for DATY and whatever would be included.

The house fee is 100 for massage. 80 for the second sesstion, and 400 for the tip. That seemed really high so that is another reason I was hesitant. but knowing I had no other choices, I agreed.

the girl was very nice. very happy to provide, but not elegant in her technique.
I got DATY, and she rimmed me with a dental dam. That was interesting. Then we 69'd and she continued to use the dental dam and no BBBJ or even condom BJ, only dental dam.

Finally I came and she continued to carress, and massage sensually.

When I left to pay the bill they also added 80 rmb for the damn shower. That is considered using the sauna which I did not use. So if you go there, use the whole damn sauna otherwise shower in your room.

They were surprisingly open about the extra's. Total bill was too much for not getting laid, but a good overall experience.

blanknamecruiser

Traxx
05-21-03, 15:34
Pro:

I hope you're not coming to Shanghai anytime in the next month or so. SARS has put a damper on social activities. Indoor activities (movies, bars, clubs, dining and shopping) aren't very popular now.

Having said that, one place you can try is this disco called Real Love on Heng Shan Road. Its pretty popular with locals and right opposite some bars as well.

Wolf
05-22-03, 07:23
Hi every body.

For those rading the Classifieds, here is one that is rather funny.
On the www.thatsshanghai.com of this week, you can find several classifieds ad of chinese ladies looking for their pair.
Number 41 was quite interesting. I want to the link just to see how a Shanghaiese girl looking for a western husband would look like.

Here was the ad :
41. western husband needed
I want a caring man, a happy family and my own lovely kids. I am from Shanghai, 27y/o, 165cm, 62kg, view my photos at http://******************/dragon197602 I am not attracted to asian men, neither smoker nor alcholic. If you look for a lady with good career, then I am not the right one, as I am a "house wife". I am open-minded and ready to meet you.
Posted: 5/15/2003 8:36:55 PM

You can appreciate the "I am a house wife" comment.

Here are then the pictures :
http://******************/dragon197602

For those roaming Shanghai and this site for some times, here is our good and nice friend Shifen. Seems that she didn't change at all. Despite her new will to become a house-wife...
If you still feel you want to know her.... without my recommendations...

Enjoy !

Wolf

Levitian
05-22-03, 08:13
Wolf,

You realize that by placing this post you might call in the cavallery (=Dick Johnson) again.

I do like the 'career' aspect, though. What a career!

Levitian

Superforce99
05-22-03, 08:25
Ha ha ha!

I was wondering what happened to Shifen! I guess the "exp date" has come and gone for her quicker than she thought...
or she sure is like the energizer bunny who keeps goin' and goin'...

Johnny

Jumbo88
05-22-03, 08:34
wolf,

Man! That was indeed shifen. This whole thing is just so reidculously funny! Only after a couple of months, she has turned 180 degree, from ***** to housewife. Very Funny!!!

DavidC
05-22-03, 08:36
this is waaaaaaay too funny!!!

I actually like that ad, I thought I would be looking at some
drop dead gorgeous girl who knew what she wanted in life
but alas...how disappointing
I can't stop laughing from that ad though, hahahahahahha

cruiser dude, hangzhou's sex industry ain't allthat
enjoy the scene and go to a bar, you actually have better
chance of gettinga freebie from the bar street than finding
something in a sauna/massage... of course unless you
go to a karaoke, when I was in my hotel's elevator I saw this dumbass looking farmer dude with 2 gorgeous babes, you know
what that's all about it

DayNight
05-22-03, 09:01
Wolf
The underwear images was too much. I'm outta here....

BlnkNameCruiser
05-22-03, 15:56
That is funny! I never saw her before but remember all the arguing you all did on the forum a while ago about her. I was dying to see who you all were talking about. So that's her. Isnt she the one who thought she could get like a million bucks out of you for a night in the sack? geezz. I am not sure she could pay me....

That reminds me of a just as funny story.

I picked up this nasty one in the Crown Plaza Charlies Bar when I was first here and desperate to get my nut off. I didn't know the scene at all. I never wanted to see her again as I am sure you understand.

A few weeks ago, I was at the airport, and who do I see? That exact same ho nasty, waiting for someone. So I wait out of sight and see what happens. Some poor sucker gets off the plane, greets her and a kid (didn't see if the kid was hers or his). It was obviously a mailorder bride hook up.

fun times my friends...

About Hangzhou, I have had some good times in the Barber shops in the past, but never able to get FS.

So what exactly is your suggestion? freebies from some bars? How do I find them?

Thanks all,
blanknamecruiser

DavidC
05-22-03, 17:40
well there's this big bar street, nan shan lu or something and at the end of it is a big bar, probably the biggest on the street, I would just go in there and hang around, soon enough you'll have girls approach you just to chat, and the rest is up to you

I've seen this when I was there, so I know it's possible, good luck

KingPeter
05-23-03, 11:19
Originally posted by davidc
well there's this big bar street, nan shan lu or something and at the end of it is a big bar, probably the biggest on the street, I would just go in there and hang around, soon enough you'll have girls approach you just to chat, and the rest is up to you

I've seen this when I was there, so I know it's possible, good luck Hang Shan Lu is the street name and the bar is Boubon street (mostly working girls here), price will drop around 12Midnight). If you wan try real love which is across the street. Some girls do speak english and they start out with buy me a drink, they come back without the change, a little chit chat and the rest is yours, the girls will start with 800RMB.

have fun

Roversman 999
05-23-03, 12:26
what was that....

hmmm.. I met a yahoo freind this week. She had a nice photo but sometimes photos lie. THis one had gained a few pounds from her pic but you could still see the cute face and nice shape. Not a 8 but maybe 6.5. She looked professional and we had a nice get to know you chat in monaco, or monte carlo.. a coffee beer restaurant place in central plaza.
Anyways, we had a few drink and she was very flirty after the second wine. We sat next ot each other and a little innocent touching..seeing what was permitted. This is a faily public place with big winodws and we sat inthe leather window facing sofas.She kept winking and I suggeste we go to my place, which was close by. I really wasnt sure of the game but she said no. sheeven sai d this would be her only meeting with me. I wasnt overly bothered. Then she touched the inside of my leg very close to my dick. I was thinking she must get off on teasing. Anyways, we finished and went to starbucks, also in central plza. Not sure why, but we sat in the far corner away from everyone. It was quiet as it was 9pm.anyways, more touching, and amazingly..we both looked at the toilet thats in the corner. We checked if onyone watching, and both went in.. it was like being a kid again...anyways, lots of touching and i got a part blow part hand job, she got her clothes in a real mess and pretty much she walked off after that. Dont know if she was drunk, wild, or just excited. Lets just say, was the best moccha frapaciino i ever had.!!!! and i dont know how it happened or how to make it happen again!!! Happy weekend brothers.

OldAsiaHand
05-24-03, 04:05
Blankie and others,

Since they have lifted the travel advisory on Guangdong, how is the SH mandatory quarantime affected? Can I come to Shanghai, can you return from Guangdong?

Thanks.

OAH

BlnkNameCruiser
05-24-03, 09:55
OAH,
As I understand, the quarantine is still in effect if you come to Shanghai from Guangdong. 2 weeks sitting in your hotel.

I have been unable to find a real authoritative list but that is what I heard.

Who would you ask? A good travel agent?

blankie

OldAsiaHand
05-25-03, 05:57
Originally posted by Wolf

Here are then the pictures :
http://******************/dragon197602



Are you guys kidding? This is shifen, the subject of such controversy on this thread? I agree with Blankie. I am not sure I would even let her pay me.....

OAH

OldAsiaHand
05-25-03, 06:00
Blankie,

I will try to check with my travel agent in Shenzhen. I thought the situation might change in Shanghai since WHO lifted Hong Kong & Guangdong from their list.

OAH

BlnkNameCruiser
05-25-03, 16:52
OAH,
Jumbo88 says this about it:
"As of last Friday, Shanghai government has issued warnings for 11 cities/regions on the News paper (Shanghia Daily). They are:
Bejing, HeBei, Shanxi, Guanngdong, HK, Taiwan, Singapore, Toronto, Inner Mongolia, Tianjing and philippine.

Coming back from the above regions, must be quarantined under "medical observation" for 14 days."

So maybe we are ok with Bangkok, but should double check with the travel agent and maybe our apartment managers.

blanknamecruiser

Roversman 999
05-26-03, 13:07
horny goat weed.. has special values as a natural viagra.. so says the study. Anyone know the chinese name for this??
Anyone had any use of this.. and effects????

OldAsiaHand
05-26-03, 13:30
Blankie,

I am looking for an excuse to make it to Bangkok with you. Business is a good one, but on a weekend? Might be OK if I could take a few weekdays off from work. I sure wish I was single again on these occasions. How much time would you be able to spend in Thailand?

OAH

BlnkNameCruiser
05-27-03, 04:44
OAH,
I can only do a few days plus travel time. Weekend is best, but maybe we can strategize via email about your excuse.

blankie

BlnkNameCruiser
05-29-03, 03:25
Happy Meal at Happy Garden

Happy Garden Club is actually a sauna located across the street from Malones American Cafe. Malones is 255 Tongren Lu, not far from Nanjing Lu

I went in, ushered to change, took shower. they have a big suana room with tubs. I dont have any interest in sitting in warm pools of water with other people I dont know, so I went directly to sit in the typical waiting room to wait for my massage. The facilities are nice here. They brought me to the room and the girl was already there. I was pleased to see she was tall and thin and attractive. I however had a feeling I wouldn't get FS despite the claim by someone on this board who referred me to this place.

After a while on my belly, and her massaging my back, she put my arms on my back to stretch me. She conveniently was sitting on my back also with her skirt type shorts on, which left my hands conveniently where they wanted to be, - in her crotch.

After a little hinting that way I turned over. She left the room. Came back and started me on my belly again. did the whole tongue down the back, etc. I was still anxious to get to the good stuff. Finally I started taking over. I lifted her on top of my and started 69 style DATY but without her giving BJ. I flipper her all over to DATY from many positions, then began FS. It was great. She was very compliant.

After the bill was 864 or something like that. Anyone know what the price breakdown is here? The girl said her tip was 400. They charge another 464 for a shower and a room? That seems high. The dorks in the room dont even help you and dont clean and shine your shoes, but had his hand out for a tip which he didnt get.

blanknamecruiser

Always Needing It
05-29-03, 07:59
I went to 'Reallove' and 'Bourborn St', both on Hengshan Lu, recently. I was intending to picksome fresh for tunneling, here's what happened:

Realove - a mid-20 looking, pretty attractive gal approached me to 'buy her a beer" within 3 minutes, gave her my standard line "sorry, I am in a hurry and here to bring a gal home right away. how much for over-nite?", she persisted on my buying a beer but eventually relented to bringing 2 of her friends around to let me have a look...both weren't as good looking as her. She asked if she would go home w/ me and negotiated 1000 for overnite. She then asked for 200 up-front to pay for her bar fines. Here I stood firm and insisted on paying whole amount after...not before. She walked away and not came up. I think she would have done the same had I given her the 200.

Similar incident w/ 2 more gals inthe next 30 mins. All were average in looks and I passed. Even their getting all over me for the 5-min 'buy me a beer' sessions were enjoyable as all were pushy.

I went across the street to newly re-opened Bourbon St next. I fended-off may be a dozen gals w/ the same line over the next 2 hours. I must said the oversall quality of gals is above average. I negotiated seriously with 3 of them:

- the first is short, may be 5 foot, but firm...just the way I like them. I was happy to give her 100 for 'beer' and she stayed w/ me most of the time and acting as my 'scout'. she is working as a 'hostess' there on weekends and the chances of bedding her same nite is low as they all have to report for meeting after the bar closes. I passed on her as she said she's still staying w/ her parents, but we agreed to meet on weeknites after her regular day-job.

- the second is a looker, tall, slim, pretty face...a 8-9. she was good about it and we agreed on 1000 overniter pretty quickly. I was feeling her soft fresh around (she must be 27+) and thinking I wished she's firmer when #3 walked by...

- #3 was fr Jiansu, 9 for body, 8 for looks as her papayas were more like lemons, but firm fresh as a 21 should be. she refused to negotiated at the bar where i was sitting...but I was happy to move to a booth and 'buy her a beer" this time :). this gal was paying hard to get. She stood firm at 2000 overnite and 1500 shorttime. I moved back to the bars, without her, after 15 mins. I saw at least 3 guys talking to ger over the next hour. All without success, and was happy to have to chance to have closing-negotiation w/ her at 1:30am. And guess wat? Not a penny less. Well, there are plenty of k-gals w/ similar qualities going for 2/3 the price, so I passed.

Overall, cheaper than going to K. Fun w/ the hostess #1 at Bourbon st. bedding prospects were decent. I would have taken #2 if I was really needing it.

Cheers

EDITOR's NOTE: I took a few minutes to revise the capitalization and punctuation in this report. However, I would very much appreciate it if everyone could refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. I don't expect everyone to be a great writer, but it's not difficult to use the CAPS key for names or to put a period at the end of sentences. Thanks!

BlnkNameCruiser
05-29-03, 12:16
OAH,
Sorry for late notice. I am going to Nanjing Friday nite. Can you make it?
blanknamecruiser

Lucky888
05-30-03, 08:42
Good Luck returns!

Thankfully this sex-starved guy being allowd to make a trip to Shanghai area next week. My KTV girl from Suzhou just happened to email me this week (but no pressure or expectations....she's so low key) and she said all the KTV and entertainment places in Suzhou have reopened and life is pretty much back to normal. Is the same true in Shanghai? Abundant opportunities to find some play once again?

Blankie, would I be treading on your turf I stopped in for Teppanyaki one evening to have a look at the chef and boss? Just curious to check their eye appeal, but of course I have to let you have the first moves and score.

Thank god I'm taking this trip. I've fasted long enough!
Just thinking... Thailand = LOS. What's our little acronym for China?

BlnkNameCruiser
06-02-03, 15:09
Lucky888
How f'd up is this.... I met up with a monger buddy from Shenzhen (not from the forum) at the teppanyaki place. After eating we sat in the upstairs bar, and the chef came up because their is still no business due to SARS. I started macking on the chef and he started macking on my old freebie girl.

He tried hard to get her drunk and he succeeded. We decided to ask them to leave since it was so slow. The boss said ok since I am a good customer. We took them to his hotel room and he was working my old freebie and I was working the chef in the hotel bathroom. I got her pants down, and my hand in there and my old freebie started getting mad and banging on the door to the bathroom. (DAMN!!!!!) I was on the home stretch to scoring.
We stopped and all decided to go to a bar close by to finish gettting them drunk and hopefully get more action.
well.... just like the night they came to my apartment, the freebie firl f'd us and guilted the chef into leaving. (WHAT THE F!!!!. I think me this chef are CURSED!)

But... what the hell... Lets meet up and we can try our luck... let me know when you will be here. I hope you get lucky. I have been having a hard time (except for paying pro's which seems a lot cheaper than free since I was out til 4am)
blanknamecruiser

p.s. with my luck when I do finally get in this chef I will nut is 3 seconds... ;-)

BlnkNameCruiser
06-02-03, 15:17
Nanjing Sauna again.. yum yum
I went again. To remind you all, I have officialy certified this place as a straight up young girl brothel. No if's and's or but's. The girls are all young little 20 year olds and they have that innocent country girl demeaner. They put out consistently and with no trouble. 300 seems to be the price. I thought it was too high but that is the deal. I did 2 of them just the other day when I was there.

I will remind you all how to get there. Nanjing Mandarin Garden Hotel Located at the Confucious Temple. Walk out the gate of the temple area. Turn right. Walk about 1/2 mile. As soon as you reach the sports bar on the right, take the next left street. Walk down that street and enter the 2nd floor sauna. You will see it.

They have real foot massage and real sex.
massage fee is 50rmb and the tip is 300. They asked 400 this time but I paid 300.

they are all very friendly and appreciate your business.

I recommend Yang Yang (or Yan Yan) who was not my first choice in looks,(a little thick) but turned out to really offer the best service. sensual nipple licking to get you turned on, BBBJ, no rush, totally compliant.

blanknamecruiser

Jumbo88
06-03-03, 08:29
Blankie,

Thank you! i will go check out the place within the next two weeks.

I will report back to this board.

Lucky888
06-03-03, 15:11
Blank,
You've got mail.

Yup....that's pretty damn f'd up, I'd say. Guess you've gotta drink fast and move quick....or maybe forget all about the freebie girl. Anyway, I hope your balls are back to their normal color and you're ready for some more successful hunting. If you can't score after eating so much Teppanyaki, I'd say my own chances are less than zero there. Guess I'd better find another place for dinner.

Maybe somewhere around Shanghai we can find something like that Nanjing Sauna. Wish I was going to be here another week or two so I could take a weekend trip to Nanjing!

WooVictor
06-04-03, 01:05
Just spent two days in Shanghai and will be flying to Beijing tonight. It's all very smooth and calm here, no need for any quarantine at all. When the plane, we all got up and queue to get off the plane. But the air hostesses told us to sit down and wait for our temperature to be taken. Soon two paramedics came onboard and, using an infrared device, took our temperature one after another. It took about 10-15 minutes to take everyone抯 temperature, and after that we were allowed to get off the plane.

As I walked into the Shangri-La Hotel I was told to have my temperature taken at a desk next to the front door. After this was done I was able to register at the front desk. During the past two days I had several client meetings and every office building I went into had this temporary front desk where you register and have your temperature taken. (Those who work there don't need to have their temperature taken, and on one occassion I pretended to be working there and evaded the infrared device. Frankly I don't quite get the logic of taking temperatures). The Jinmou Building (where the Grand Hyatt is located) certainly has the most vigorous control programme -- they demand to inspect your identity card (or passport if you don抰 have a Chinese ID card), and also require you host to come and pick you up at the lobby, after you have filled in an elaborated questionnaire, which you host has to sign.

So, to sum up, yes you can visit Shanghai, and most places wouldn't hassle you if you walked in there, provided you were willing to let them take your temperature. Now if you are trying to bring a girl to your room at night, that may be a bit tricky. I didn抰 even try so cannot give you any good advice.

Late afternoon on Monday after a couple of client meetings I felt rather tired and saw this sauna place at a small ally near the Equatorial Hotel (which is next to the Hilton) on the Tibet Road. So I went in this Shentaoyuan Club and had a massage. It was a decent establishment located in a three-storey building, the furnishing is still okay if a bit worn out, but is generally acceptable unless you are really really demanding. I went through the usual routine (stripped at the locker room, took a shower, and then went upstairs to a small private sitting room with two sofas and a TV set. A man came in and asked me what I wanted, I said I wanted a massage but a nice girl, and asked for the prices. He said the all in cost, including tips for the girl, would be about 690 yuan, which was not bad, but he didn抰 specify what services were included in the tip.

Anyway he went away and came back a couple of minutes later to take me up to the third floor to the massage room, where a girl was waiting for me. She抯 a Shanghai girl of early to mid 20s, about 5 feet 6, well proportioned figured though her tits (probably 33B) were a bit small for my taste. She proceeded by giving me a massage with me facing up on the massage bed. After she had done with my limbs she told me to flip over and proceeded to work on my ass. As she approached the end of her routine she asked what services I wanted. There were two, one is tits massage, and the other is ice fire, no full service. I decided to opt for the former.

She went out to fetch a bottle of baby oil and when she returned she first removed my shorts and then stripped naked. As she massaged my body and my dick with her tits I fondled her tits and **** freely. She was competent but not the greatest masseuse I抳e ever met, yet it was a pleasure to shoot my load on her tits. Afterwards she cleaned me up with napkins before going out to clean herself. But it took her far too long to do that and just as she returned I was quite fed up and left. All in all, not a bad place.

Loafer
06-04-03, 03:49
Thanks for the report, woovictor. For the record: Equatorial and Hilton hotels are not on Tibet road but on Huashan Road, at the junction to Yanan Road. Never mind.

But what small alley are you referring to? Is it between Equatorial and Hilton?

A-Todd
06-04-03, 14:45
A couple of days ago I went for a long walk and after a while when it was time for a rest I found a barbershop on Kangding Lu.

One of the girls caught my attention (looks around 6 and quite friendly). I went inside, just a regular barbershop with 3 choices, regular hair play in the big room, massage with HJ behind a small wall (40 yuan) or I could go to another room for FS 200 yuan. It was a small room with a sofa for the action, no rush and then back massage afterwards.

I cant remember the name of the crossroad right now but if someone is interested I can try to find the name

Loafer
06-05-03, 02:36
Meanwhile I have found out myself the location of the Shentaoyuan Club. It's actually on Wulumuqi Road, opposite of the Shanghai Hotel.

WooVictor
06-07-03, 06:35
Loafer,

Thanks for point out the mistake.

Yes it is on Wulumuqi Road, as you new message says.

BlnkNameCruiser
06-07-03, 10:08
A-Todd,
I am VERY interested in a FS barber shop. If you can advise the location as close as possible I would really appreciate that.

Thank you!
blanknamecruiser

Lucky888
06-07-03, 16:45
Suzhou bars and bargirls....beware

Took a stroll down Shi Quan Jie (sp?) in Suzhou the other night. This is the main bar street in the city. Bars are of two types: those with girls at the doorway calling you in, and those without. I was actually looking for a barbershop, but didn't seen any cuties while I was window shopping.

After passing by 6 or 8 of these bars with girls, I finally succumbed to enter when I saw a 7.5 face/8.5 body girl outside one. We went in the the shortest bar I've ever seen (4 stools long) and had a beer. She says we can go upstairs to a private room and she'll give me a massage for RMB100. We went upstairs..."private" room it's not as the ceiling is open, and the couch was a disaster. No bed, just a couple couches. Talked to her for 30 seconds and then exposed her boobs, which were nice Cs. She undid my pants and starbed rubbing my cock, then abruptly stopped and suggested I take her home for the night. I really wasn't in the mood for that...I just wanted a BBBJ or FS right there in the room, even with it's open ceiling and window in the door. I thought she had finally agred to 200 for BBBJTC right there. She wanted me to pay first, but I was wise enough to give her 100 up front.

Bait and switch then ensued, as she said she didn't agree and couldn't do it there, and that taking her home for the night was the only option. I was P.O.'d at that point, didn't want to deal with her, so I chewed her out pretty good. Decided to cut my losses at only 100 and go...I smelled a money-grubber whom I sensed could only *talk* about good service.

I didn't really think this would happen in Suzhou (some of you are probably laughing by now, call me naive).....but the moral of the story is to beware when you allow yourself to be pulled off the street into a bar in Suzhou.

Cavechu
06-07-03, 17:13
Originally posted by lucky888
I smelled a money-grubber whom I sensed could only *talk* about good service.
I didn't really think this would happen in Suzhou (some of you are probably laughing by now, call me naive).....but the moral of the story is to beware when you allow yourself to be pulled off the street into a bar in Suzhou.


girls like that are all over the world..at least you smell the bullshit and not lose anymore money then you had to. I would have walked out when she ask for money upfront. BAD SIGN 4 bad deal to come. ***** with any sense of fair play with suck your dick, fuck your brain out then get paid.

Lucky888
06-07-03, 17:22
Good Luck! Suzhou free KTV girl update

Some of you will recall my free KTV hostess story from a couple months ago. Let's call her Mary. I recently returned to Suzhou and called Mary from the car as I arrived in the city. Checked into my hotel and 20 minutes later she showed up, though she only had less than 2 hours before she had to report for work at KTV. Watched movie for 30 minutes and then I went to work disrobing her. She was much more engaged this time, happily offering BBBJ, rimming, and letting me DATY....mmm tasty clean mound with fuzz on top! I think I previously described Mary as being a 7 or so with C's; my intoxication that time must have blurred my vision...she's a slender, firm 8.5 with natural D's. Anyway, I took the advice of others in the China forum and gave her 250....to take a taxi to work.

That night after work she come back to my hotel. More of the same, but this time she was quite agressive, basically trying to fuck my asshole with her tounge....damn that was wild, especially when she did it during 69. We went to sleep and in the morning, after showering together, I sent her packing with 300. I really couldn't figure out what got into her....the previous trip, I would have discarded her as a dead fish but for her great body, looks, and smiles. Later I figured out a possible reason why she was a dead fish...read on.

The next night she called after work (almost 2am) and offered to come over , but I was asleep and jetlagged badly, so I passed.

The folowing night I end up at her KTV with my supplier. Saw her there and she said she'd come by when she was done working. She comes by and we get busy again. All the positions, on the chair, in front of the mirror, doggie, the whole bit. Fantastic!

Wake up the next morning and she puts her tounge to work again, sucking my balls and much more. Her BJ form needs some practice, but the other things she can do with her tongue and lips down there are truly outstanding. This time I got really into the DATY....for more than 30 minutes. I didn't realize a woman could produce so much tasty pussy juice! She smells like a sweet fruit or melon...Yum! After we both fatigued our mouths, it was time for cuddling and GFE.

Then we start talking and she says "I have to tell you something." I thought, "Oh shit, just what some of my fellow mongers warned me about freebies." But no....she says "I'm married." Yes, married! What relief! She goes on talking about that for a minute, then says she doesn't feel bad about screwing me because she knows there is no hope for us and that her future is not with me. More music to my ears! But she's 22 or 23, so I asked when she got married....turns out it was only a few weeks before I met her! (hence I guess she was reserved that time in bed). Anyway, after this conversation about her married life, we had some more cuddling and then another round of oral action followed by FS.

There are some tremendously wonderful girls out there willing to do all kinds of things for free. You just have to find 'em. Well, I guess my username is still valid after all this...!

OldAsiaHand
06-08-03, 05:54
Lucky,

Great score with the freebie! I never get so "lucky", but I have to admit I do not try very often. I do get opportunities, but I am too afraid they will seek me out, cling, and cost more money in the end as has been expressed on this forum.

I do know some "single" guys (single is the key word here), in Shenzhen that go to the regular bars or meet normal women elswhere, and score freebies fairly often without much hassle.

There are also many women in China that want to go abroad so bad that they will take a chance sleeping with a foreign man to see if she can hook him. Others may be just plain curious what it is like to sleep with a foreigner.

But I still maintain that the majority of Chinese women are only giving freebies with ulterior motives.

Again...just my POV...

OAH

OldAsiaHand
06-08-03, 05:58
Lucky's Suzhou bar experience....

Similar thing happened to me in Shanghai last year. One small bar near the New Jin Jiang Hotel with 4-5 girls inside. Playing with my dick hustling drinks at 40RMB a crack, telling me that she cannot leave until the bar closes, but would be happy to come to my hotel after work. I figured out what was going on after a couple of drinks, cut my losses and split.

OAH

OldAsiaHand
06-08-03, 06:02
Blankie,

I still cannot figure out the Teppanyaki thing. I've heard about "playing hard to get", but this is getting ridiculous! How much more time are you planning to invest before you give up on these girls?

OAH

A-Todd
06-08-03, 09:41
Blanknamecruiser,

After some investigation

The barbershop is on Kangding Lu, between Changde Lu and Shanxi Lu on the left side of the street if you are heading for Shanxi Lu there is a big regular (boring) barber shop on the opposite side (I think)

Have fun

/Todd

BlnkNameCruiser
06-10-03, 12:32
Lucky..
DAMN! you are lucky.. and some skill I am sure... ;-)

A-Todd,
thanks for searching it out. I will take a peak.

OAH,
I know it is rough. I am not pursuing it anymore but I do like to eat there, so I will be open to it but not expect it.

blanknamecruiser

BlnkNameCruiser
06-10-03, 12:40
2 reports:
Shanghai - my little mao ming girl. I called her up. Same deal as before. 800 all night FS twice, she is part timer. She wants to hook me up with her friend. Maybe....
_____

Hangzhou double shift.

Well I FINALLY scored in Hangzhou. I have been there about 10 times and was about to conclude you cant have sex there. I have been to saunas, barbershops, and tried everything.
THIS time is different.
I skipped the sauna not wanting to spend 860 for no sex.
I walked all over around near the Wu Yang. Went to a billion barber shops. Only tried one. no luck. All of them have the massage chairs out in the open. How can you do ANYTHING?

Finally I went to one. Upstairs massage. Still nothing but at the end, we layed together and kissed. then she held my member and I briefly touched her breast. Then she was telling me it is all over. Since she didnt even try to get more money from me I assumed I cant get action. Well I finally asked her to come to my hotel. She said 2,000. We worked down to 1,500.. I then asked how much for here. we settled on 800. I prefered that so I can sleep better.
We walked back up and it was like she's done this a million times. Pulled her pants off, I DATY and stuck it in. Why was she acting like this shit never happens?

PART 2
The next morning I was about to leave my room. The phone rang. some soft voice in Chinese. I said " .. uh... english?"
Then she said, "massagee?"
I have a message? I thought, then I realized with her soft voice....

I said ok. She showed up 5 minutes later. I have 15 minutes till I had to be gone.

We settled on 500. We did the deed.

All of a sudden I am getting laid more than I expect. (and spending more than I should)

blanknamecruiser

A-Todd
06-12-03, 02:43
Tried out a Sauna place yesterday. Heard many of them are pricey in Shanghai, there are loads of those places in Beijing where you pay 200-300 for unlimited spa time and one hour massage including a happy ending.

A bit hard to find if you don抰 read Chinese characters, but when I finally got there it was pretty obvious what kinda place it is. Friendly staff, took the regular shower, skipped the swimming pools (can be too many strange things in the water) Ordered an hour of massage 698 outchh

The massage girl was ok .. guess a 6, started with regular massage for 30 minutes which was very good. Then she left and after 3 min she got back with lotsa cups with hot water. She stripped naked, she then started to kiss/lick my whole body with warm water in her mouth, it felt really nice. She sucked my nipples and even rimmed me, slicked a bit of her tongue in my ass 厃ummy. Then the oil came and a regular body massage .. she slide around on my back and played over my back and ass with her very big nipples. I turned around, same treatment to the front side of my body and then a hot water in the mouth BJ .. that is great :-)

Expensive => yes
Good and different service => absolutely!!

Does anyone knows about any other nice Sauna places in Shanghai (except that one opposite to Malones) There must be plenty of them

/Todd

Member #2400
06-13-03, 01:35
I went the Shanghai last week-

I tried to find the nanjing Sauna following the detailed description but could not find the starting point. It seems that there is no Howard Johnson that is also Mandarin hotel.

Anyway ... I ended up (again) in Hard Rock. The scene there was very scarce 2-3 customers 15 or so providers.

Ended up with a full night with an old "friend" (800 - multiple times) that would not let me look out the others.

I tried Mao Ming Lu and Fu Min Lu the next night but could not locate free providers and the bars were pretty empty.

I ended getting a very nice BJ in a massage place right next to me hotel (Crowne Plaza).

Can anyone give the directions to the girls in the apartment ? I will be in Shanghai again this coming week.

Thanks,

Barbershop Goer
06-13-03, 01:36
I have been a silent reader of this forum for a long time, as early as back in 2001. Thanks to Jackson for providing this wonderful site free for all of us hobbists. Now I would like to contribute my two cents here in order to share information, knowledge and insight.

First of all, let me introduce myself. I am a native Chinese, though not a Shanghai citizen. I live alone during weekdays in Shanghai and my family is in a small town about 2 hours drive from this city. So I do need sometimes hunting for girls/women to satisfy my "little head".

I will recount below my experience during my hunt for pussy.

Barbershop - This is the most frequented place for me as I am constrained in budget, not like some of you Laowai who earn bucks that have distinct advantages over our RMB. Look for barbershops that are dimly lit and have several girls sitting on sofa looking bored. There will be action for sure. Usually for 40-50 RMB, you can get HJ but do not expect to get BBBJ, as most girls do not offer this. But I once had one nice girl aged approximately 27-28 who can give excellent BBBJ two years ago. Unfortunately, she went back to her hometown in Hunai. Wish some of the buddies here can meet her there. She is called Mickey Mouse, certainly not her real name but a pet name. She has long hair dyed light brown but her tits were a little sagged. All in all, she rates 8 in look, 7 in body and 9 in technique in my book. I usually paid 100RMB for BBBJ and FS, plus 50RMB Taifei (house fine). How I miss that period! You can also take the girl home if you like except that you have to pay 10-20RMB for her taxi fare back to the shop. I strongly recommend barbershops if you are on budget.

Sauna - I have only gone there twice, because it is too expensive for me. The place I went to is called Zhongyuan Hotel, located in the junction of Zhongshanbeilu and Bailanlu The procedure is exactly as what is described by some of the posts in this forum. You go in. Put your clothes in a locker and have a shower. You go into the lounge. Soon you will be approached by a mamasan and be asked if you would like to have a massage. The ongoing price is 200RMB for Tuiyou (HJ with baby oil, often the girl will massage your cock with her oiled tits until you come) and 300RMB for Binghuo (ice and fire, that is the girl performs BBBJ with her mouth filled with hot water and without water alternatively to give you a sense of warmness and no warmness). The money for the sauna will be 136RMB for two Zhongs (clocks, i.e. 2X45 min., but you usually get time shorter than that) . The massage is just so so but the girl I met the first time was fabulous. She is tall and thin with long hair to her butt. Her face is cute, although not model quality. Getting satisfaction in saunas is hit or miss, because you cannot see their bodies and faces before you go in. I do not recommend them strongly.

KTV - You cannot get laid in a KTV because the rooms cannot be locked and bar maids keep coming in to replenish your drink and snacks. You can only fondle the girl's tits when you sing along with karaokey. But the room fee and the girl's tips will add up to about 400-500RMB for a night. I admit the quality of girls in KTVs are usually higher compared with the girls in barbershops and saunas. But in terms of value you get from the price you pay, I do not recommend it at all.

I have recently met a girl called Xiao Zhang aged 19 in a barbershop located on Daduhelu, near Nujianglu (in Putuo district, not a downtown area) . Her face is not cute but she has natural D perhaps E cups. Besides, she has a clean pussy, perfect for you who has a taste for DATY. I was not very successful in my first time with her as I was too tired for just coming back from a journey but will try her once again in the near future. Will report back to your buddies soon. Excuse me for the long post.

Always Needing It
06-13-03, 18:39
I am into Guanzhou style hair saloons where you can either take-out and go to a 'house" room. The main attraction is the relatively young and inexperienced chicks (mostly 18-20) and low cost.

Finally found a connected friend and was taken to Zheng Jian Bei Lu (True River North Road) which is 2 KM west of West Shanghai Railway Station about RMB40 cabride from Huashanlu. There were 7 or 8 shops all within 5 mins walk of each other with 3-4 gals of looks/body of 5-7. In each case, an all-in price of RMB 300-400 were 1st quoted.

I settled on a petite zhejian gal, body 7, look 7 and looks 16 (she's actually 20). Mama-san quoted 300 and I paid gladly w/o counter-offer as it was only 7pm. Brought her back to my place. I had 2 shots and sent her back a few minutes ago as I gotta get up early tomorrow.

She was a bit more experienced than I had expected (she had previously done a 3-month sting to paid off a debt and is doing so again starting a week ago to pay off a gambling debt) so other wise totaly compliant and good gal frend feelings.

I have the contact # of the mama-san who is expecting some fresh goods next week.

Stay tune guys :)

Wolf
06-15-03, 09:25
A-Todd
Would you mind sharing the address of you Sauna-massage place in Shanghai ?
Thanks a lot

Wolf

Indigo Blue
06-16-03, 06:06
Just my little contribution:

- Another BJ factory, almost exactly as described by MoneyTree on 04-10-03. Dan Shui Lu 385. (礯水路385号) It’s a barbershop with maybe 20 girls. Around the 4-6 with several in the 7-8. The price is 250-300 Yuan (I am sure Asians cut that to the 180-200) and includes nice massage, all-over licking and "binghuo". The atmosphere is not exactly romantic but is convenient (very close to Xintiandi) and stocked with girls. Besides, for 300CNY, makes a nice start (or end) of any evening.

- I can't agree with Barbershop Goer when he says the price quoted for the massage is a good indication of the kind of service they provide. This could lead to disappointment. What never failed to me is to look for the pink neon and translucid glass panes. Just walk in and ask for massage (an mo). HJ is certainly included in the price.

- I'd like to support the fellows that wrote about getting freebies from the classified or the chat rooms. Just a short ad in That's in the way of "Write me and we'll see what happens" brings some 20-30 mails and some 5 or so laid-offs in the week. Sure it requires some kind of emotional investment, so it may not be suitable for all kinds of people.

- KTV doesn't looks to me as an alternative. The windows in the door of the room give excuse to the girl for asking you to "behave". Expensive compared with other "entertainment places". Depends a lot in your ability in talking her into your bedroom: Difficult if you are not Chinese.

- Hard Rock Cafe: Expensive, would-be-sophisticated, not-so-nice girls there. IMHO, Paulaner's in Xintiandi (in the 800's), or Judy's Too in Mao Ming Lu (in the 300's) are the places for this kind of game. Packed with non-working girls, any way.

- Also, don't miss The Stage's (Zhao Jia Bang Lu 567, very close to the electronics market of Xuijiahui) ladies night every Thursday. Just drop by and expect to be heavily hited by the crowd of girls that flock to the open bar. Also, IMO, the best place to get a little of the almost forgotten white girls, particulary russian and english.

Please, don't let this to become a message board of erotic stories and keep the useful posts coming.

Cheers!

A-Todd
06-17-03, 02:26
Barbershop Goer,

In which district is Zhongyuan Hotel located? Tried to find it on the map .. but too many streets ;-)

Wolf,

The place is the Shentaoyuan Club mentioned earlier in the forum, sorry that I forgot to add it to my report.

Pls. Keep on posting other good sauna places.

Todd

Levitian
06-17-03, 04:44
Indigo Blue
This was a good and very informative post. I do agree with you: too many of these erotic stories and show-offs, too few real information.

BJ factories: yes, there are many in and around town. Some are closed by now (e.g.'Teahouse at Yanan Xi Road'), and I don't know if this is only related to SARS.

Some fellow mongers did mention the area behind Hongqiao Airport ('huanghua xincuan, jbao zheng'). This is actually a 'BJ and more'-fastfood paradise. I will not give any detailed addresses, but I also don't think this is necessary, just so many of them.

Levitian

A-Todd
06-17-03, 09:36
Levitian

The teahouse is now re-opened. I think it抯 been open for a cpl. weeks by now. There are also many Barbershops and other 慳musement-parks witch had to close due to the SARS crack down that now have opened up their doors again, just take a walk in the city, you don抰 see many closed barbershops anymore.

As someone said earlier in this forum , SARS - a bump on the road

/Todd

Loafer
06-17-03, 09:44
I have walked by the teahouse on Yanan Xi Rd. a few times, it is open again. Didn't go in, but from the outside it looks like the girls are back in business

BlnkNameCruiser
06-18-03, 18:24
dolever,
sorry you missed the nanjing place. the howard johnson mandarin garden IS there. I have been there a million times and so has another guy who followed my lead off this board. MAybe you can finmd it ont he howard j website?

loafer,
Teahouse?
Have I been missing something? who gets action at a teahouse?
please advise...
blanknamecruiser

Loafer
06-19-03, 03:33
Originally posted by blnknamecruiser

loafer,
Teahouse?
Have I been missing something? who gets action at a teahouse?
please advise...
blanknamecruiser [/i]

Teahouse on the left side of Yanan Xi Rd., crossing Hong Xu Rd., walk about 100 m from the crossing in western direction. Go in, have a cup of tea, and pick one of the girls. That is how it used to be before they closed and refurbished. When I was there quite some time ago it was RMB 500 (don't remember exactly, might have been even less) for full service. I think after their re-opening the concept is still the same, but I haven't tested yet.

Anyone with recent experience?

Barbershop Goer
06-20-03, 01:51
I have noticed many foot massage parlors opening up in Shanghai. Do any posters here in this forum have any experience getting HJ/BJ/FS in those FMPs? Your input will be highly appreciated.

Barbershop Goer

BlnkNameCruiser
06-20-03, 07:28
that is amazing... I never would have imagined action at a tea house... will have to try when i return from europe.

thanks
blanknamecuiser

Indigo Blue
06-20-03, 08:28
I'd like to fill a hole in this forum and post some (subjective and personal) recommendations for those of you that just come to Shanghai and want to find some action in bars, either with SW or with regular one-night girls: From Monday to Friday I would start the night in Paulaner, in Xintiandi (There are another one in Pudong and another in Fen Yang Lu. Not the same.) Just go there about 10:00PM, hang around the dancing floor and keep an eye in the girls. Several of them will start to smile to you and eventually will make signs for you to sit at their table. Many girls go there to find a western meal and, as it’s an upscale bar (60RMB a cocktail) you can expect a good level of appearance and good spoken English. As a difference with Bourbon Street, Real Love or Hard rock café, SW are not supported by the management so they are not so aggressive and don’t start the conversation with the “Buy me a drink” chore.

Just across the street is Luna. Somewhat cheaper drinks and nice music also, but not so nice girls. Head right to the bottom and find a place close to the drum's cage. Next door to Paulaner’s is La Maison. Go to the 3rd floor, find yourself a sofa and wait for the girls to come to chitchat with you. If you take any SW from this places expect to be asked from around 600RMB for one to 1500RMB for two “friends” going to your place all night. Another nice place (but more expensive) is BATS, at the Shangri-La Hotel in PuDong. Don’t expect freebies there, but really nice freelancers, in the 1000RMB range.

Next stop could be Ju Lu Lu. The bars in this street, as in Yan An Zhong Lu are the “booze&babes” kind, with very friendly staff that ask you again and again if you want another drink. Hard to get anything from them unless you have a lucky night. In Ju Lu Lu usually there are 10/15 streetwalkers that will ask you for around 300RMB but they are low-end girls. You can head for Windows Too in the square that is in the park in front of the Ritz Carlton Portsman Hotel. Plenty of girls, TsingTao for 10RMB. Plenty of foreigners also, especially black people. Or, better, go to California Disco: Crowded place, packed with all the funkiest people in town. Very popular with Japanese and Hong Kong girls. At least two times I have been approached by a would-be-papasan that introduced me his “friends”. In the 500RMB, they are just so-so, but if you check time on time in the adjacent Park 97 (there is a internal door) surely you find something of your liking.

After 02:00AM your options are reduced to one street: Mao Ming Nan Lu. Plenty of places there, I select Ala Shanghai (Nice girls, but till 12:00), Buddha (Upper floor, founded several girls there. Always the free kind, but there are both.) Judy's Too (Many, many girls. Specially white ones. Here is the only place where you should turn on the charm but, IMO, it worth it.) And, at last, the Manhattan Bar. You can go here from 1:00 AM to 4:AM. More that a bar is a market: You enter, watch the girls, select one and go for her. If you want just settle the price and go out. Expect 400/800RMB. There are some 20 streetwalkers at that time outside. If you like one, bargain as hell!! Ask the price, (they quote some 600RMB) and then head for a taxi. They will chase you. Don't pay more of 300RMB. Watch out because a couple of friends of mine have been robbed as they fall asleep after the FS with these girls. Better send her back home right away.

Any comments?

Dick Johnson
06-20-03, 08:54
They've had action in Tea houses in Taiwan for years.

A lot of the action kinda follows the mold of Taiwan, i.e. KTV etc. China is a bit more lenient when it comes to Taiwanese men as they see them as 'brothers', and of course they hope for unification. Many Taiwanese, overseas Chinese men marry women from China. Nowadays Japanese men too.

-Dick J

Jack Spratt
06-20-03, 12:23
I have heard of, though not experienced, the same story about Teahouses in Beijing.

Indigo Blue
06-20-03, 16:22
Just today I went to the teahouse:

The actual cost is 100RMB as "management fee". That includes one girl having tea and chitchatting with you a karaoke-like room. If you want something else, you can arrange a BJ for 200RMB tip or a FS for 400RMB. No doubt you can fight back these prices. The girl that took care of me, Rong Rong, maybe could be a 6, but she really put energy and enthusiasm in the thing.

And the tea, of course, is for free.

Lucky888
06-21-03, 07:58
Indigo Blue --

Great summary! Keep up the good work.
Only three things I'd add:
1) after 1 or 2 am, JuLu Lu is still full of SW, even until 5am or so...though you don't want what's left by that time. Julu Lu is a very viable alternative to Maoming Lu. YMMV on the quality at late hours on a given night.

2) Agree with you on Luna, at least....I met a pair there one night and had one of them for free that night....long story. Xintiandi is an easy score if you have 600+ RMB to spend and want to find an english speaker and don't want hardrock.

3) Bars on Julu Lu might be the cheapest place to drink. Usually every place has a 10RMB mixed drink of the day or whatever....even on weekends. And yes, if you sit at the bar, they'll defintely try hard to keep your glass full. Don't worry, though, you can also get acceptable free ice water there, too.

Roversman 999
06-22-03, 15:10
maybe it doesnt belong in the shanghai section, but i live in shanghai so that qualifies. Just back from three days in Hong Kong.. my first trip since february.
AS always, nice action in Laguna and New Makati. Was blown off by my old and regular squeeze ( says feels guilty about fact im married.. didnt bother here for past two years) anyways, whilst waiting for her outside her boarding house in jongson road met a nice one.. we exchanged fone numbers and met next day.
Having been blown off at midnite fast work needed. CAlled old faithful Yolly ( met her at Rugby Sevens two years ago)..she went ot Laguna, we danced then fucked. A pleasant night..
Met the new one on saturday nite and was a sure thing..except for the period...she says.. you can check if you like.. i passed on that offer.. but called up a domestic helper friend from Yahoo.. and she was happy ot meet me.. maybe shes olny a 6.. but enthusiastic ( these ladies dont get that much loooooove) and stayed the night.
Was planning on meeting another friend on sunday morning. but.... poor Dianne had to be blown off by me..couldnt get out of bed and certainly my dick wasnt capable of rising. Dianne didnt takei t well...which is a shame.
But.. for all fellow travellers.. HK is alive and well. Drinks prices are down and the domestic helper philipino scene, whxih has been a happy hunting ground.. is back and ready to be hunted !!I I agree with last post on Paulaner... its a small gem for hunting..but the drinks prices.... i really wnjoyed the 50% off in May deal...

Bblover
06-23-03, 01:50
Hello everybody,

Nice forum, better than IceRed which is slowly dying on Shanghai. If some of you live in West part of Shanghai, I would like to report several barbershops on Yili Lu (close to the new park in Hong Qiao). Street is quiet, convenient and you have five or so small barbers with 2/3 girls in each.

As I am in big breats, can anybody recommend a place in Shanghai where I can meet (and be served) with a girl with big natural breast?

I notice the post from Barbershop Goer on Xiao Zhang, is she still working there. Is it worth the trip to Putuo?

Would appreciate your feedback and suggestions.

Wolf
06-24-03, 06:31
Hi everybody,

It seems that there is a new girl in town. Actually, girl she is not anymore as about 36.
She is making contact with a lot of people and seems really in need of money as, after a short negociation, she easily accept deal at 400 Rmb (from 1000/800 Rmb), even less I am sure if you insist, for full service including anal all night long.
Might not be a prime beauty but might interest some of you. She is eager to go any place, travel by bus (so no taxi money).
I did not try her (as I am out of town) but negociated the deal to see how far she would go.
Photo available upon request (to her, not me !).
several addresses : main ones are : escort_lady_shanghai@yahoo.com or shyund@yahoo.com

If any body decides to try, thank to post

Enjoy

Barbershop Goer
06-25-03, 00:24
To BBLover:

Thank you for your information request. I will check for you and report back tomorrow. Please be noted the girl is short with average look.

Barbershop Goer

Indigo Blue
06-25-03, 18:19
BBLover, I hear you:

Write this down: Hong Xu Lu 788, Gu Bei. Just enter in Mandarin City and you will see a beauty salon. Ask for Xie Li Ping or, even better, for Katy... (This Katy not only owns impressive D breasts, but also a kind of kinky behavior)

Bon Appetite!!

Barbershop Goer
06-26-03, 00:28
To BBLover:

Unfortunately this Xiao Zhang is not working there any more. Try another girl recommended by Indigo Blue. Forget mine.

Barbershop Goer

CC Hunter
06-26-03, 02:41
Barbershop Goer:

I am the same as you, I am from Shan Xi province. Being interested in barbershop, but I have never
come in to such kind of place. How much does that cost? Is it safe? Can I have FS?

Thanks

Traxx
06-26-03, 08:55
Update on City Hotel Shanghai

I recently visited the beautiful city of Shanghai and stayed at City Hotel having read the many reports of this place. As City Hotel hasn't been mentioned for quite a few months in this forum's reports, I thought I'd do an update for the benefit of all here.

Checking into the hotel, there were two principal areas of interest that I wanted to check out. First was the KTV and the second the beauty salon.

Venturing into the KTV that night, I found to my horror that this particular KTV is no place for a lone ranger. The place is quite small with only 8-10 rooms available and on average, 50-100 girls available. Prices were extraordinarily punitive for a loner (1200 RMB for a small room in minimum charges, tips of 200 for the KTV waitress, 300 for the pleasure of the company of one of their hostesses, 300 for a mama-san worked out to 2000 without any relief). However, if the cost were shared among 4-5 friends, it becomes a little more reasonable, I thought. Thus a hasty retreat was beat with the vow to live to fight another day (and to bring more troops to complete the invasion). I did note that the quality of the girls that I managed to see during this visit was excellent. However, be warned, non-Chinese speakers will find this place extremely difficult.

Licking my wounds back in my room, I figured that maybe having someone else come help me lick them wouldn't be too shabby an idea. So a quick call to the beauty salon for a young and pretty girl and I was waiting in anticipation for comfort. The bell rings and I find a young girl (I'd say maybe a 5) standing outside. BS and chitchat done with we got down to the business. So what's the price, I asked. 2000 came the answer. Haggling back and forths, I surcumbed to the call at 1000 having been pressured by the lack of relief for the entire evening. Bad call. A dead fish was the highest compliment I could bestow. And the chit of a girl had the cheek to ask for a tip. What's this world coming to? Extremely disappointing. I wonder if I've just had bad luck.

Roversman 999
06-26-03, 11:50
i know this is a place to report our paying activities.. but im the guy who often has yahoo friends and scores with lots.. anyways..just checking on a behaviour here....this lady and i.. shes tall and cute and funny.. weve been fucking every weekend and a few weekdays.. generally having lots of fun. Anyways.. we met last week in Always in Nanjing Road. Went for dinner to Laguna in Jing'an park.After the dinner we walked around athe park and as parts of it were dark..i had my hands on her tits and even in her pussy..she gets turned on by me touching her in public.. ( our taxi rides were always horny events!) . So Im turned on and suggest we go back to my place. She says no..not tonight..not again.. whatever that means. Anyways after 5 minutes we decide to go back to my place.and she says only for half an hour. Well during that time.. im inside her and shes on fire... then abruptly she gets dressed ..walks out the door and now doesnt reply my calls or sms...its no big deal but is this normal chinese girl type behaviour.
Anyways..placed an ad in Thats Shanghai.. got ten replies.. and tonight have dinner with an 18 year old...whos just graduated for university. I have high hopes.

TangZhen
06-26-03, 14:22
Originally posted by Roversman99
its no big deal but is this normal chinese girl type behaviour.


Normal and Chinese Girl Behavior are rather oxymoronic. Chinese girls are a rather contradictory lot, what I believe you experienced was she wanted sex, but came to the conclusion that you were not going to marry her, thus dead end relationship. You are lucky; they can get REAL clingy trying to make you the marrying type.

In fact I think the Saran Wrap people should study Chinese Girls, they could learn a lot about cling. Of course there are exceptions
.

Wild Mike
06-26-03, 16:24
Hi everybody,

New to the forum but already like it a lot from reading through. I have been travelling to Shanghai frequently over the past 23 months but without a lot of time for activities. Now I am living here - alkne at least for the next 3 months.

I have tried some (but few) of the tips given by IndigoBlue of this forum (really thanks a lot, was very helpfull):
Mao Ming Lu was soso - had a streetwalker who was a 5 maximum but very enthusiastic and another one who was really disappointing (paid 500 each)
I tried some other places - eg Xintiandi - but wasn't lucky

My handicap: I do not only have a Western face, but also my Chinese doesn't go much beyond ni hau.

What I really need is some more advice to start, I promise I'll report back the experiences. Particularly how I can find some meat for the weekends - how can I find a girl during the day, I am not that much a night person. I would also be interested to have an adress or phone number that I could use frequently.

I am not really on a budget and really looking for it, so if any of you bro's can give me a helping hand I would appreciate a lot.

By the way: I know that email adresses are regularly deleted but I still try - maybe the administrator has mercy with a desparate guy who needs meat.

shang_mike@hotmail.com

Hope we can communicate more

Wild Mike

Barbershop Goer
06-27-03, 00:29
To BBLover:

I have checked the barbershop where Xiao Zhang was working last time when I was with her. Unfortunately she is not working there any more. Working girls often go from one shop to another to avoid the attention of cops and enable barbershop boss to always provide chicks fresh from the outer provinces (as is the saying of these bosses)

Barbershop Goer

Roversman 999
06-27-03, 02:14
Great reply Thanzen..thanks. Anyway i will move onto the next.
The 18 year old student I met last night was ok.. little large but confident for 18. And a good prospect for next week. But halfway thru dinner in Zen..a yahoo friend who i had met for first time on monday, dated on tuesday starts texting me. Says shes like to see me for a long time. Shes free to stay in my aprtment as long as I like her to stay etc.
She has such a sweet face only 22, and an obviously good chest.. that I hurried dinner, met miss yahoo and she stayed the night. Perfect figure for me..45kgs, nice and light, a good more than ample chest and a lot of energy.

Of course after the first round came the usual two questions... one, do you like me.. and two.. how many girls have stayed in yor apartment... the answers are obviously yes I like you..and your the second girl to stay..... ( the second in the last 24 hours I forgot to mention..)
Happy weekend guys!!

Jman90024
06-27-03, 02:49
Originally posted by bblover
As I am in big breats, can anybody recommend a place in Shanghai where I can meet (and be served) with a girl with big natural breast?


Teahouse on Yanan Xi Rd in HongQiao is worth a trip. One particular girl there has all natural 38F. See my earlier post on the place and have fun.

Dick Boobs
06-27-03, 10:10
I thought I try out the expensive escort yahoo shows for Shanghai escorts. Her name is Lily and the photos in her webpage are quire encouraging.

We had some e-mail correspondence before to arrange the date and she came punctually to my hotel room which was a well known international 5 Star hotel with a beautiful view over the city.

When she entered I was a little disappointed as her looks did not match what I expected from the web, but the photos still seem to be genuine as the skinny figure seemed to be the same.

Anyway, had littel choice anyway and she was not bad looking either. As requested she brought some lingerie and asked me which pieces she should wear first. I mentioned that I would like to be surprised but the one she is curently wearing, when she replied she would not wear any. So we skipped the part with the lingerie and I just undressed her and we went into action.

BJ and FJ in various positions hwoever was SOP and she was smiling all the way, which at some point in time I found quite anoying, even while moaning and growning, she continue to have the same smile. BUt here skills were qutie ok and I should the load in her mouth while she was doing BJ.

Overall, too expensive the service offered.

Looks: 4.5/10
Boobs: 5/10
Body: 6/10
Serrvice: 7/10
BJ: 6/10
FJ: 5/10

TangZhen
06-28-03, 15:54
Rovers

Thanks for the nice comment, I appreciate it. Not that it matters since you are into new things, but if you were interested you might consider the following
1) Leave her alone for a few days
2) SMS her to say you are sad and want to get together one last time to remember her by
3) Play it like you are in one of those Chinese dramas
(my wife watches them too much)
4) Give her a small enduring gift maybe a necklace
(not a watch or clock)
4) Nail the s*** out of --- well you know what to do here.

Just my theory on what should work. Author takes no responsiblity for any damages incured.