2002-2006 South China - Shenzhen

[Soulman]

Ill Eagle,

Hey fellow So Cal Dude!

I hate MPs... It's a sex factory of sort and old hags. Not to mention crackdowns in conjunction with crooked cops.

Actions in Monterey Park is stricly for Chinese. There are similar houses in Westminster for Vietnemese as well. My friend told me that it was too intense with tough gangsters and scared shitless girls. Not my kind of action.

That's why I love China! I just returned and going thru the "withdrawal syndrome". I mean where can you have sex with 5 girls in back to back in matter of 1 week?

And one of my secret is Chinese Penpal service. It takes time and effort but much more fun with non-regulars.

Cheers!

[Tangent]

Another option for getting to Shenzhen from HK airport is to take the A43 bus from the airport to Sheung Shui which drops you off at the Sheung Shui KCR railroad station (which is the last stop before the Luohu border). It is comfortable, takes 50 minutes, and is HK$30. I think one leaves three times an hour. It involves less backtracking than taking the Airport Express to Kowloon and then switching up to the KCR.

Since the renovation on mainland side of the Luohu customs building, crossing the border this year has generally been easier than last year.

Hope this helps.

[MpfsLover]

I read the recent posting on this board, and saw the mention of (Golden Lake) Hotel in TangXia. I am not familiar with this town.

Is TangXia near DG area, could someone give direction on where this place is from SZ. Is it north, south, east or west.

Thanks,

[Soulman]

Chuckpinoy,

Hooked up at Crowne Plaza Disco or BAR? Cool! I was just there. There are at least 3 girls from North working at BAR. There are total of about 7 girls working there and they sit near the door facing the pool in group. I spent enough time at the BAR to know some of them "personally". Word got out that I pay for service so I was approached by all working girls my last night there. Asking price for short time is 800 RMB though real rate is 600 RMB and some may go down to 400 RMB as 2 AM closing time approaches. Girls fear Gong An (police) so they don't want to spend the night which goes for 1000 RMB (better deal as I'm concerned).

See my past posts but my last experience was with a girl from Northern province Jilin named Wang Li and another girl from Dalian month ago. They were a lot of fun with good bj without rubber and girl from Dalian had tight hole. I wouldn't say Li or Miss Dalian are knockouts you come across in fancy ktvs... But Li has nice body and has to me this "nasty" look about her though she dresses plainly. Miss Dalina dresses and looks like country girl. And true to their "northern" nature, they are energetic and fun in bed (unlike inexperienced girls from Hunan/Sichuan/Hubei who either don't give bj or short one with rubber on). Also, most Chinese don't care to french kiss unless they really like you. I had a Manchurian girlfriend for about a year and she was one horny girl who liked it "rough".

So ask for girls from north if you can pick! :)

[Thor]

soulman, I think I can provide some help to you for So Cal possibilities. If interested, post your email, and we can do it outside of this section. thor

[Superforce99]

Soulman,

I was just interested in which penpal services you use. I haven't found them to be especially
effective though I've had one "success." Asia Friend Finder is the only one I've tried.

Most of the women want "long term" or nothing, but maybe that's just my experience.

Thanks

[Superforce99]

Hey Soulman,

Which penpal services do you use? I've used asianfriendfinder and I've gotten one "success" but mostly its girls who are too serious and looking for a "lifetime" thing.

Thanks

[Soulman]

Johnny,

You use asiafriendfinder.com? I used them since 1998 with pretty good sucess rate. But no luck in adultfriendfinder. :( But they started to charge last year so I stopped using it. I hit homerun in So Cal, 2 girls in Malaysia and 4 girls in SZ/GZ area since '98. I must admit I had better luck few years back when I was literally deluged with reponses and I was emailing back and forth with 4 to 5 girls at a time which is time consuming and stressful when they all call when you're in China and can't figure out who's who. :)

So if I were to pay I figure I use different service. It takes patience and time to built rapport, trust and friendship. But what I find out is that many girls/women I meet are open to intimate contacts too. I have been pleasantly surprised few times. In fact, I think Chinese girls are much more open to intimate flings than Japanese and Korean girls.

My Taiwanese friend hook me with a Chinese site and I had couple of date in SZ area. But as limited Mandarin speaker, kind a hard to communicate.

I had good success with girls I meet in hotel and at companies I visit. Little gestures of kindness and compliments go long way... I just email the cuties to start friendship. Again it takes time but well worth it. I had luck with an interpreter at a company I visited and secretary at a company I used to deal with. So take a chance with girls who speak some English and be suave... :)

[Tangent]

re: Penpals

Another option for finding SZ gals on the internet is through a chat site. One chat site that is specifically Shenzhen oriented is at:
http://chat.szptt.net.cn/
The site is in Chinese but I can walk you through it so that you can get into its Englsih Chat room.

The far left box is for putting in a screen name. Make up a screen name. You'll get a greater number of women trying to talk to you if you indicate in your name that you are not from China.

The next box is a password. You only need to put in a password if you have registered your name with the site. So leave this box blank.

In the middle are three buttons you can click. Click the middle of the three. That indicates you are a guy. (The left one indicates woman, and the right says you do not want to be identified as either).

Then go down and click on the name for room #17. That is the English Chat room. A new window will pop up. In the English chat room, men are in blue, women in pink, and 'neither' in green. To talk to someone, click on their name. To talk to someone privately, click on the middle check box. Otherwise everyone will see what you type.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask. If you have any success, feel free to regale us with a story.

[Tangent]

Went and got a massage yesterday at a barbershop from a chick who was kinda pudgy but had big ol’ tits. She was quite happy with anything I did. I started asking her if she ever gave massages to women. She said not much. So I inquired further. The gist of what she said is that quite a few of the women wanted their tits massaged, and fewer wanted to reciprocate by massaging the massage gal’s tits and kissing them. Some wanted their pussies rubbed as well. Of those, some would have an orgasm. She said one or two wanted to rub her pussy but she would not allow it but she did enjoy it when her tits were rubbed or kissed. The interesting thing was that she could pretty much tell by the age of the woman whether or not they would want special service. The younger women would not want any extras, while the women who were in their 30’s or 40’s would usually want some form of relief.

Its cool to know enough Chinese to be able to ask silly questions to satisfy my curiosity.

Again, though, it would only be a couple times a month that she would give a woman a massage. And most of the time when I asked other massage girls if they give women massages etc. the girl says that there is no way she would give extra service to a woman. But sometimes they say yes.

[Moody]

Another way of getting to Shenzhen from HKIA, and by far the best if 2 or more are travelling, is to take a cab to Sheung Shui. From there it's 5 minutes to Lowu. I've never had a problem with my luggage or getting pickpocketed. If you take the usual precautions, you shouldn't have any problems. Since they remodeled the foreigner section, it's a much faster immigration process than before.

As for Dongguan, I think my favorite place there is the Lungchuen International. They have everything. Great karaoke. Great sauna. Japanese food for when I get sick of Chinese.

Karaoke is at Lungchuen is awesome. Rooms are large and comfortable. The selection is usually very good although the mommy will often bring out the homelier girls first so I recommend passing the first couple of dozen or so. There will usually be one or two girls who speak a limited amount of English. I usually skip on them though since they usually won't shut up and want to talk all night. Oh yeah, usual tip is 1000RMB. One time I had a really exceptional girl (she's no longer there and I don't have her number) and I gave her 2000. She was happy as a clam.

If you don't want to bother with the whole karaoke thing you can just call a girl from the sauna. To be perfectly honest, the saunas girls on the average, tend to be better at sex than the karaoke girls. BTW, beyond counting to 100 (gotta play the dice games...), I can't speak a word of Chinese and I somehow always manage.

[TangZhen]

From the airport to ShungShui I always find the A43 bus the most convienient. Right from downstairs at the airport to ShungShui. The only uncomfortable part is that you can only store your luggage on the lower half (double decker). This is not a big problem even if you want to sit upstairs as it does not make any stops on the way there so no one can take your luggage. I have never had any problem on it. At HK$28 it is a lot cheaper than a taxi and not much slower.

[Batman]

I hate being a pest but.................

Does anyone one want to show a newbe around Shenzhen or hook up for a drink in between the 3rd and the 5th of April?

I will be there.

[SeattleGman]

Batman

Dude. You will do fine on your own. Even the Hunchback of Notre Dame can get laid in Shenzhen. All the working girl there are very forward so they will come to you. Just make sure you watch your wallet, both inside and outside of the hotel (when you are with the girl).

I don't even have to wish you good luck.

[ManonsanBoy]

Seattlegman

virtuallu any sauna with private rooms, any but the top hotels and just about any barbershop are possibilities. Just look single and on the prowl. You cannot miss. Be careful, is all.

[Batman]

OK SeattleGman,

I know I can get laid, (Iwill try and stand upright though) I just thought it my be safer to wonder around with someone else that has been there before.

So the question remains if anyone would like to hang out on thursday friday or saturday night (april 3,4,5) I would be grateful and I promise not to scare off the ladies.

Come on SeattleGman I would do it for you.
I cant tell you how many guys I have taken out in 10 different countries once I knew my way around.

Luck is for amateurs

[SeattleGman]

batman

Sorry, I wasn't trying to be insulting. My appologies.

[Batman]

seatlleGman

You werent being insulting, its all good. We are all just trying to have fun. So what about the beer?

Ready for fun

[SeattleGman]

I would take you up on it in a flash, except I live in USA Seattle as my user name implies. I make it out to China about 2-3 times a year. I was last there in December 2002 and I wish I could be there again soon. Sex is great in China with some of the most beautiful girls I have ever been with. I'll take a raincheck. Thanks for the offer. I agree that a new city is more fun with someone who knows the ropes.

[Batman]

You got it. Hope to see you next time around.

[RasSpewtin]

Greetings to the Forum from a new poster. I work for a company that has just opened up business in the Shenzhen area, and I will likely find myself travelling to SZ every 6 weeks or so. Next trip due sometime in late April.

I will likely continue to stay at the Crown Plaza, as that our company's hotel of choice. I was approached by a young lovely at the hotel's V-bar during my last stay, but the price quoted for the "massage" was a little rich at 1,000 RMB.

I would like to get some info for action somewhere within a reasonable proximity to the Crown Plaza. Can anyone offer suggestions?

Also, I have read that Csun213 has a good contact for a "mommy" in the SZ area. Csun213, if you're out there, could you please email me at blue_no_more@hotmail.com with her contact info?

Thanks and more to follow;
Raz

[Ruf66]

Well - the Shangri La has relaxed it's rules. Was in the bar last night for a night cap - approached by about a 7. Usual question - massage. But then I saw her friend - about a 9. Hot body. So asked for her friend. Wanted 1000rmb for st. Got her down to 800 st. I went back to my room and she came up about 5 minutes later. Took a shower together - BBBJ given in the shower. Then onto the bed - again BBBJ - and a bit of rimming. On with the rubber and banged away for awhile - all sorts of positions. No hurry. Great!

[Csun213]

Hi RasSpewtin, I have send you an e-mail with the mamason's phone number. She will meet you in back of Crown Plaza (the street that faces Wal-mart). Let me know if you need any other help.

[Batman]

Hey csun213,

Can I have the info as well on the mamasan. My email is johnsan5050@yahoo.ca
Thanks.

[Batman]

csun213,
I am sorry, I read your post and now I realize she only speaks chinese. I dont speak Chinese. Wow I sure feel stupid. Think I can learn Chinese in a week?
Sorry

[RasSpewtin]

Csun, I already replied to your email to thank you, but I want to thank you publically as well!!

Looks like I may need to "bone up" on my Mandarin in a hurry. I can negotiate in Chinese, but don't quite know how to ask for preferences. (Perhaps..Wo yao liang-ge da ru fang ye yi-ge xiao yin dao ye yi-ge piao-liang pi gu...) I got my work cut out for me!

I wonder if it will be possible to negotiate with my surgical mask on? Damn SARS! When are they gonna find a cure for that thing?

:>>)

[Soulman]

Welcome to the board Ras!

Read my past experiences at V-Bar at Crowne Plaza dating back about 3 weeks.

I'm a regular there and know all 7 or 8 working girls there. Did 2 of them from north; Wang Li and shy girl from Dalian. They were both worth the money.

They all ask for 800 to 1000 RMB which is going rate for girls you pick up in ktv but they pay off quite a few people. So I expect these independent cuties to charge a lot less though I suspect somebody at V bar is on the take. Girls used to stay at the lobby every night and there were some 9s out there but kicked them out last Nov.

Back to price, they will go down to 600 for short time and not into staying overnight. I was there Sun night (V Bar close on Mon night) after all afternoon session with a cuti met thru internet. I picked up Wang Li the night before. Anyway, word got out that I'm a paying customer and all 7 or so girls came to my table to offer their service. At around 12:30 AM price dropped to 400 RMB but I was kind a sexed out...

Anyone planning to be in SZ soon? I'm leaving this weekend and wouldn't mind partying! :)

[Batman]

Soulman,

I will be there on Thursday April 3rd. Lets have a beer. Not sure where I am staying yet. but you can contact me with your info at johnsan5050@yahoo.ca

[Jazman]

will ne in sz in april
which hotel has better selection for girl
Shangri La or the crown plaza. use to stay at Shangri La but where the selection was fantastic. however over the past year heyhave become stricter.

any good advice?

[ManonsanBoy]

I went to Tangxia recently. After visiting factories all day, the driver asked whether I was too tired. I said no, not really understanding what he meant. About 10 minutes after I checked in mamasan came up with a 1.7 M stunner! 9 or 10. Shower together, BBBJ, all positions 2 pops. She was very responsive, enjoyed me going down on her . Offered her an extra 1000 for anal but she said no. She stayed 2 hours for 600 HKD. Tangxia is bigger than most people realise and from the outside there seems plenty of action. I think it is around 25 % cheaper than Shenzhen.

[Csun213]

To batman and RasSpewtin, you don't need to speak Mandarin with my mamason since I have brought a lot of American friends who doesn't speak any Mandarin to her before and she already knows what we want. Most of us want a pretty, slim girl who will do BBBJ and is not rushed to leave as soon as possible. There is no need to fuzz over the price as the price is understood to be 300rmb for taking a girl to your hotel room. The only problem you might have is where to meet her. We normally meet her in front of Wal-mart which is in front of Crown Plaza (we normally do some shopping before going with her for the girls). If you are foreigner then she would have no problem finding you. Just go with her and find a girl you like, she will keep bring you girls until you find one. Keep shaking your head on the girls you don't like. If you guys know when you will be in Shenzhen, I can call her and tell her when to expect a call from you and arrage it so she will go to the Wal-mart to look for you 30 minutes after you call her. Hope this will help you guys.

[Batman]

Thanks Csun213,

I will send you a full report. Thats crazy they have a walmart in Shenzhen. Guess I will bring my SAMS card hehehehe

Thanks again for the info.

[Soulman]

Hi Csun,

Sorry we couldn't connect last time.

Wow, nice girls for 300 RMB near at Walmart near Crowne Plaza! Excellent! I'll contact you.

Thanks!

[Soulman]

Batman,

There are 2 Walmarts in SZ; one near Shekou and one in Overseas Chinese Village near Windows of the World and Crowne Plaza.

Who would have thought we can find cutis for real fun in front of Walmart? Sam would be happy and roll over his coffin on this one! :)

[Batman]

Hey Soulman,
If you see a big white guy standing ot in front of Walmart inspecting cuties that will be me. If you want to have a beer email me, I will be there on the 3rd.

[TangZhen]

Walmart Update: There are in fact 4 WalMarts and 1 Sam's Club in Shenzhen. I live very close to the latter and it does incredible business near spring festival. 36 registers open all with a long line. If staying here, bring your US club card and see if you can buy stuff, I've always wondered about that.

[Jazziton]

Any of you John's that have good info where to get laid near the Lowu checkpoint, safe and to a reasonable cost.... Don't like the pimps trying to hook you up and promise you heaven and takes you to a run down apartment and girls that turn u off. Any good suggestions or tips?

[Rtpman]

Originally posted by Soulman
Batman,

There are 2 Walmarts in SZ; one near Shekou and one in Overseas Chinese Village near Windows of the World and Crowne Plaza.

Who would have thought we can find cutis for real fun in front of Walmart? Sam would be happy and roll over his coffin on this one! :)

Soulman and Batman, csun213 meant Century Plaza not Crown Plaza. The Century plaza is downtown by the train station/mall. The wal-mart there is across the busy street from the Century Plaza and down about a half-block (opposite direction from the train station). The store is underground so there is just a sign that says Wal-Mart and a set of escalators.

I have used her well over a 100 times by now and like csun said, she knows what we like. Don't need to pick someone from the first batch she brings. Within reason keep letting them present more girls until you find one you like.

I've found that some of the girls will try to jack up the price a little afterwards. It is more of a 'nothing ventured, nothing gained' approach. Just shake your head no and let them know it's san bai (300). They may wrinkle their nose but most won't press it past that.

Have fun

[Cavechu]

Originally posted by csun213
Hi RasSpewtin, I have send you an e-mail with the mamason's phone number. She will meet you in back of Crown Plaza (the street that faces Wal-mart). Let me know if you need any other help.

CSUN213

Can you kindly share with me this mamasan contact number? My email is charlie007_svn@yahoo.com TIA

[Batman]

rtpman,

Thanks for the clarification on the hotel name. I will be in Shenzhen on the 3rd and I will be staying at the same place you guys stay there so if you want to hook up let me know.

Thanks again

[Jazman]

will ne in sz in april
which hotel has better selection for girl
Shangri La or theCrown Plaza. or Century Plaza
use to stay at Shangri La but where the selection was fantastic. however over the past year hey have become stricter. Does anyone know what the situation these days are

My factory is arrainging for me to stay at the Haiyatt Garden Hotel . Does anyone know aboutht eservices and girls at this hotel. Do you have anotehr hotel in that area that you recommend?

doesn anyoneone have experience if chineese girls have an objection to doggy style sex.

what about 69

[SeattleGman]

jazman

I always stay at the Panglin where there is always girls in front. Some girls inside also. See my reports. I have never had any girls in China object to doggie style. The only objection in my experience has been with oral of any kind, but most don't object.

[Soulman]

Jezman,

Which Haiyatt are you staying at? There are quite a few with this name in the area. For example, one in Chang An (in DG) has awesome ktv with lots of cutis. Been there few times. There is another one in Houjie (in DG) and another one in Tangxia (also other side of DG).

I have not stayed in hotels in Lowu area so I don't know but I stay at Crown Plaza often, They kicked the girls out of lobby late last year (Nov) but the working girls congregate in Bar disco near door facing the pool. I had couple good experiences there with northern girls (see my previous posts).

As for "position", I did experince 1 amateur I picked up in Shejou who pretty much objected to every position/play except for missionary. I told her she won't get her full "money" then she cooperated. As for "69", most girls object even to going down on them the first place. I usually "fight" and win and take joy in girls experiencing and really enjoying this "taboo". I have couple of regulars I see and I have GFE (girlfriend experience) with them which include steamy 69 session I trained them on. :)

Be careful with SARS!

[Loafer]

doggie style: depends on how well endowed you are. my experience is that most girls will allow it initially, but many want to go back to missionary after a while because they say it's painful.

[Jazman]

soulman

thanks for you comeback

i am referring to the Haiyatt in Chang An (in DG)
.
I usually go to the bar but never been to the ktv. the reason being that i only speak English.
all i would liek to do is youthe services of the ktv of choosing a girl and bringing the girl into my room for the night . since i only speak english do you have Any suggestions. Does the KTV have call in room service?

Have you ever tried there Saune?. Do they room service. .

Can a I call the Ktv for room service.

Thanks for your comeback and any help woud be appreciated.

[Soulman]

Jazman,

Hey have you considered brand new Park View in Chang An? It's 5 mins away from Haiyatt. It's a pretty cool place but difficult to get a room there. Room has broadband and modern. There are lots of cutis on 2nd floor barcony. Not sure if they are working girls but look pretty nasty... My buddy told me that there are cabaret style show on 2nd floor. There are many cabarets with ktv rooms. I've been to 2 in DG/SZ area. Anyway, I heard that you can pick a girl like you would in ktv to sit next to you for 200 RMB. I speak poor Mandarin but always seem to find someone who speak decent English in hotels. Anyway, I was too busy partying in Haiyatt and another ktv in Chang An when I stayed at Park View so didn't get a chance to check out the cabaret.

As for Haiyatt, the bar is on the way to ktv rooms near exit so you should be able to talk to bartender about bringing you a girl. I always try this kind request even to girls working in the bar. Hell, they know I'm playboy anyway. :) I even asked hotel shuttle driver for "suje" or girls too. :)

Have Fun!

PS - when will you be in Chang An? I ain't traveling until this SARS is somewhat controlled.

[OldAsiaHand]

Jazman,

I've been living in Shenzhen for a couple of years. If hotel price is an issue, there is a hotel just up the road from the Shangri-La for around 600RMB, day rate is only 180RMB but you have to be out by 6:00pm. The rooms are very nice. Just turn right out of the Shangri-La and walk up about 25 meters.

In my experience the girls in the run down apts where the street pimps take you are only 200RMB, street action near the Panglin Hotel around 300-400 depending on the quality. There are some back alleys across the street from the Panglin with the very low end of the market at 150RMB, including the room upstairs. Landmark Hotel coffee shop has a bit better quality, but pricey. I can't see the value. And, of course, there are the KTV bars with top quality at RMB1,000 and up. Most of the sauna places in the area are legit, rather than offering full service.

There are numerous other areas in Shenzhen for action outside of Lowu. Safer and better in my opinion. If you want me to show you around. just let me know how we can hook up. I am always up for it.

Good Luck!

P.S. Most hotel saunas and barber shops in DG offer full service in the rooms. Expect to pay 500-800RMB for the service. KTV girls are usually 500RMB for one shot, 800 overnight. You will usually have to go to the bar and negotiate with the mamasan.

[Jazman]

Soulman

Thanks for the information.

Have not decided when iwill be going. Wanted to go this mont, however fcty said to wait until after control of the virus. I am taking a wait and see aproach

have you eber used the sevices of the sauna in the Haiyatt. do u know if they provide room service?

i heard about the Park View. How does one know ifthe girls there are there for partying or actually working girls.

if yu have a choice and n my position that wants to make a easy score which hotel woul you choose.

by the way at the Haiyatt what do u recommend the bar or the ktv since i speak no chineese?

i could use some han holding in this situation.

[RasSpewtin]

A belated Thank You to Soulman and Csun213 for their welcome advice.

I was planning on travelling mid-April, but my company forced me to cancel trip due to SARS scare. Shit! I was looking forward to putting all of my newfound knowledge to practical use, now I need to wait until May or June.

Can someone explain what the term "ktv" means? Lots of references to ktv's, but I could not find a definition when I did a search. And do you pay the girls 200 RMB just to sit and talk with you, or is this part of the prelude to the fun stuff?

Use the Terms and Abbreviations link at the top of the screen.

[OldAsiaHand]

KTV is short for Karaoke, a very popular pastime in Asia where a bunch of guys rent a small room with a semi-circle sofa in front of a TV, to sit around and sing songs with beautiful women. The 200RMB normally only gets you "sit and talk"; fondling is OK. Depending on the place, most of the girls go out for more money, but some do not. If you want extra service, it is best to confirm this in advance before you waste time with one girl. Most of the best girls are picked first, so you can end up with a very poor selection later if the one you are with will not go and you want another one. Also, many of the girls in China are afraid of westerners, bloody discrimination!!!, so be sure to ask if you are western. Size may have something to do with this!

In my experience, KTV girls, although the best lookers, rarely provide the best service in bed.

P.S. You don't have to sit around and sing with the girls. I usually just make a deal and head straight for my room. If you heard my voice, you would know why!

[Soulman]

Ras,

KTV stand for Karaoke TV. Basically it's a private room with tv and stereo system. You pick mostly Chinese songs to sing. You pick your own "date" for the night and they play silly drinking dice games, feed you morsels of food and fruit. Some places allow you to grope the girl and even ask the girls to take their top off exposing little tits. :) Most hotel have them and they range from fancy ones where you can't take your date out for sex to grutty one with older and ugly girls. You go there with group of men. Girls get 200 RMB to sit next to you for the night or 800 RMB for short time in yiur room or 1000 RMB for all nighter plus another session in the morning. As for room rental, it goes for about 1000 RMB depending on how much booze and food you order. Of course tips to girls are separate. Cool thing is that you get to choose from hundreds of available girls. Choice is almost limitless. I have been to over 20 different ktvs in China... I feel like kid in a candy store and girl you pick must be able to go to your room if you want her to. Girls on rags need not come to work.


Jazman,

I have not used room service massage. I have been to sauna/massage places attached to large restaurants (especially in GZ) or 3rd class hotels. But I have not asked girls to come to my room. Some massage places are legit as the one kind a attached to Holiday Inn in SZ only send 2 girls to your oom and no, it's not for your "double" pleasure but to make sure nothing funny happens. Besides, many massage girls only give hand jobs.

I'd pick Park Plaza naytime if I'm in Chang An. YOu can also take a walk to tree lined main street and maybe look for local action. I do this in most new plaes I go. If I make long eye contact and they smile then "bingo" fun tiem with amateurs (my kind) awaits. As for Haiyatt, just go to bar and ask barwokers that you need a girl for sex. Don't be embrarrased!

I did 2 KTV girls in Chang An and have their mobile numbers. I kind a keep score on girls I have sex with by exchaging mobile numbers. :) One from Haiyatt was tall and older girl. Man, she really was wild in bed which is unusal. I asked for her again 2 nights after I did her and she was very happy to see me but I hadn't slept well and jet lag hit me so I declined another session with her.

Second girl's name is Gao and she spoke land wrote little English. I forgot which hotel KTV I picked her from. She was OK in bed. The initial girl I picked was on rags... She got chewed out big time by mummy and my hosts. I felt bad so gave her $20. They replaced with Gao.

Leave your email address and I'll give you their mobile number. You will need a Chinese friend to interpret. Hell, I even use front desk girls in hotel to translate for me. :)

I cancelled my visit this month but may go towards end of month if SARS stuff sound sline it's under control.

[OldAsiaHand]

To any of you thinking about visiting Shenzhen:

This SARS thing is making living here scarier every day. We just lost one fellow American in Shenzhen, and his 6 year old son is infected too. Striking very close to home for me. I am considering bailing out of here myself very soon.

My advise to all is "Don't even think about it!" The government isn't even reporting anywhere close to the actual number of cases. 15 is a joke!

Last weekend, I visited a few of my usual hunting grounds, but ran the other way after hearing the first cough. It is just not worth the risk. Either keep it in your pants, or find another destination for the time being.

Just my two cents worth.....

[Dick Johnson]

Old hand, my friends in other provinces tells me they have a few cases there too.

[Soulman]

Oldhandasia,

Thanks for sobering notice.

Yeah, I hear that Chinese government is way underreporting it and first foreigner (from Finland I think) died in Beijing.

So Dick is right in that this SARS stuff is all over China.

I got a call from my "regular" working girl last time I was in China in Feb. Her mobile number was "out of service" so I was bummed about not seeing her for awesome GFE (girl friend experience). But she called me my last day in SZ to let me know she went home due to SARS in Hunan and told me to get out of town! So even the working girls are leaving GD in droves. I bet the girls are getting little deperate and offer discounts but it's way too risky!

[OldAsiaHand]

Soulman/Dick:

You guys are right. SARS is all over China, but it looks like most of the cases originated in GD. US Consulate in Shanghai just reported two Americans being treated at a local Shanghai hospital too. The guy in Beijing was Finnish, but came from Thailand or Vietnam.

I have not heard of any working girls with SARS yet, but chances are high since a large share of their clients are crossing the border from Hong Kong, and immune systems are low in their line of work. According to some of my local friends, LoWu is the worst hit area for SARS in Shenzhen being so close to the border crossing.

Price discounts are being offered, at least at the places I checked last weekend in the Futian district. but as you say Soulman, the risk is too high! I have never seen the area with so few customers. A few shops were closed, however, to my surprise, there were just as many girls as usual in most of the open ones. The shop owners were saying that they are sending home any girls who show symptons, but can we believe that?

[Superforce99]

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[Superforce99]

Oldasiahand,

Are there any places off the top of your head that you could recommend to me? I will be in Shenzhen for the next couple of days and it would be great to hunt with you, but if you don't feel like it, I would still like to try your recommendations myself.

Thanks!

Johnny

johnnykon666@yahoo.com

[OldAsiaHand]

Johnny,

I have sent you an email with my mobile number. Give me a call and I will make some recommendations. I am trying, with difficulty, to cut down my frequency. I was out last night at my usual hunting grounds, wearing a mask, but 90% of the shops were closed. I'm not sure if it was a routine LE crackdown or SARS scare, but I did see some of Shenzhen's finest prowling around. I did not manage to get a straight answer from the shopowners. All I can say is, be very careful!

OldAsiaHand

[Superforce99]

Oldasiahand,

Didn't get the email. Maybe a typo in the email address?
johnnykon666@yahoo.com

Thanks

Johnny

[OldAsiaHand]

Johnny,

I sent you another email last night. Did you get it? I can't get into my yahoo email account today to check for some reason.

Anyway, in case we don't hook-up, here is my recommendation.....

Try the Futian district. There is a WalMart on FuXiang Road. Turn right out of the store and walk to the next intersection, then turn left. This is a small lane with about 15 barber shops. FS is 150-200 RMB. They will take you to an apartment behind the shop. If you want a BBBJ (saw your HK post), ask in advance, all the girls may not oblige. If you don't see anything you like to the left, there are also some more shops if you turn right at the same intersection, but not all offer FS.

Best value for money in Shenzhen in my opinion. If you let me know what time you will be there, I will try to meet you. And finally, I really recommend that you wear a mask!

Good Luck!

[OldAsiaHand]

My weekly report from Shenzhen:

The SARS scare is hitting hard. Situation is dismal. Yesterday, for the second week in a row, 90% plus of the FS shops in both LoWu (near Panglin Hotel) and Futian (near WalMart) districts were closed. Even those shops offering only massage and HJ were closed in Futian. The LoWu area is not recommended due to construction on the sewer system in the small lanes. There were virtually no customers around in either area. It is hard to believe that all of a sudden they have decided to give the girls Sundays off. I did manage to find one shop open and took a BBBJ only with a mask on and the window open, careful not to touch anything. Could not pass up the offer for only 100RMB including the house fee.

Be careful fellow mongers!

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

SARS Update from Shenzhen:

Went to a briefing today by the Director-General of the Shenzhen Health Bureau. He still claims Shenzhen only has 47 confirmed cases. Reason is that a preventive (Chinese and Western) medicine program has been established for health care workers, and so far, no medical staff have been infected. Encouraging news, but still hard to believe given we are right next to Hong Kong and so close to Guangzhou, each with over 1,000 cases. Even though the guy sounded credible, I still do not know what to believe!

OAH

P.S. This thread has been very quiet lately. Where has everybody gone?

[Powertoolz]

hi ppl,
i am in a moral dilemma about this whole prostitution thing...
cheap sex is great but i feel bad about taking advantage of these girls. im sure the majority of the girls are being forced into it in one way or another. i'd just like to know how u guys feel about it. I'd also like to know how the guys with wifes at home deal with it

[SeattleGman]

powertoolz

I believe the money these girl earn is a lot more than they would earn as a factory or office worker. The cost of living is very cheap so what they earn for a short time with a customer is very good money to them. You gotta get out of the mindset that western market prices are fair. We have been paying too much as westerners. I never came across a girl in Shenzhen that appeared forced into prostitution. They appear to be doing it on their own free will (due to the money earnings).

[Csun213]

To powertoolz, these girls are not being forced into it. They are making very good money. What I have found out is that they like being with foreigners once they get over the initial fear. We treat them better than the HK or Taiwan guys. If you feel guilty then think of it this way. She is going to be with someone since she needs to make a living. Wouldn't it be better if she is with you who will treat her with respect and kindness rather with a Chinese guy who treats her like a piece of meat and disrespect. If you treat the girls right then she will be happy to have known you. Just my 2 cents worth however I have been in China off and on for the past 4 years.

[Tangent]

powertoolz>

Agree with seattle

I do not think the majority of women are forced into what they do. I think it is simply the chance to earn way much more money than they could earn back in their hometown, and do it in a way that their hometown folks would not know about. Most of the girls return to their hometown once a year. As far as the barbershops, many of the girls that I talk to switch from place to place if their boss is a pain in the ass. Returning home, and switching from barbershop to barbershop would not be happening if they were forced into it.

There is also a good book available in Hong Kong entitled "After Suzie: Sex in South China". I believe the author is Mary Whitehead with Nury Vittachi. It is mostly centered in HK, but also delves into Macau, SZ, Zhuhai and Dongguan. The book was written in 1997, so it is about the pre-handover days. It really doesn't mention forced prostitution. But does say that the mainland girls who are arranged visas by triads or enter in HK illegally by triads often have their identity cards taken away from them until their time in HK is up.

I'm single, no wife.

[Cavechu]

Originally posted by powertoolz
i feel bad about taking advantage of these girls

the only people that is taken advantage here is these girls taken advantage of us for having uncontrollable hardon for chinese young nookies at 24/7.

[Soulman]

I agree with other regulars here... I don't think girls are forced into the business overseen by mob types. I heard this is the case with those who dreamt of going abroad and got hooked with "snakeheads" who confisticate their paper and force them into business. I heard many girls working the business in HK and Taiwan and even East LA in US are forced into it. But I do think they must know what they're getting into when going abroad.

As for girls we meet in China, they all seemed to have sad story on why they ended up in the business. Girls working in SZ/DG factories make USD 60 per month with room and board in cramped/dirty room and horrible food. And work is hard manual labor. This is the going rate. So if you're reasonably attractive then choice to get in business is very temtping. I heard that most girls get in to business to make quick money but find it hard to leave business making USD 100 per night (though ktv girls have to pay a lot of others for their cut). Many are literally forced to help dirt poor families in inner provinces with debt and sickness in the family. One of my regular ktv girlfriend works far away from home (Nanjing) to help single mother and help younger brother go to college.

Yeah, one may say they all tell sad stories but let's face it. Would you want your daughters, sisters, cousins to be in this business? I mean dealing with men you don't find attractive and obnoxious. I heard girls hate Taiwanese and HK men. I guess they don't treat them too good. As for me, I treat them well with nice tip and gifts to girls I see regularly. In fact some girls are shocked that I contact them again (thru my local contacts since my Mandarin is bad). The reason I like to girls in China is not the "low" price but most are untainted amateur sweet girls. No bitches who has been working in the business for years like you see in other Asian countries.

OK, wife stuff. Well, my wife has some inclination on what happens over there. She knows I love Asian girls as seen by my dvd/vhs tape collections. :) But I think she's OK as no long as I don't bring any disease here... Oh, I did give her chlymedia once I got from my favorite ktv pal. I have a doctor friend and I had him give her prescription for anitibiotic when she complained about cold that wouldn't go away. :)

Damn, when will this SARS stuff gonna end? My boss won't et me go and it has been 2 very long months since I've been in SZ...

And yes, as for do some girls enjoy our company? Hell yes! Not to sound bragging but had some girls really get into it especially with eating them out which seem to be taboo with Chinese men and even had few give me thumbs up for my "performance". :)

[Tangent]

Yes, politeness and treating a person with respect--whatever the profession--is the right thing to do.

The people who I really feel sorry for in Shenzhen are some of the migrant factory laborers. Some factory owners are un-ethical and haven't paid salaries for many months. That is why there are actually small and silent protests (about 20 or so people) a couple times a week in front of the Shenzhen city hall. Those protests usually deal with the employees asking the government to address concerns that they have about their employers. Notice that these are usually not direct protests against the government.

For the barbershop girls, at the very least, even if their boss does not pay them their monthly salary with commission, they can still live off the tips that customers provide directly to them. Factory workers do not get tip--and therefore are screwed if they don't get their monthly salaries--and often work in dangerous conditions. I forget the statistics about how many people in shenzhen lose a limb everyday--although I do know there are 3.5 traffic fatalities per day in SZ. Being migrant and temporary residents, they also do not get full rights to education, healthcare, etc. that a permanent resident has.

[OldAsiaHand]

powertoolz,

Thanks for putting some life back into this thread. I was beginning to think all the regulars had lost interest.

My POV on the issue:

I do not believe any girls in China are being held against their will or forced into the business. as may be the case for some girls in countries such as Thailand in the very local brothels. As Tangent says, I also see them coming and going pretty frequently at many shops. I see many come and try it for a few days and decide it is not for them, and they are free to go. Some of them, especially in some barber shops, may be giving part of their income to an "agent" that introduced them to a particular shop, for a certain period of time. And, of course, the house gets a fee for providing the venue, normally 50RMB. Same applies in MP, and the mamasan gets a piece of the action in the KTV. This is just normal China business. I think the split for the girls is usually fair.

One way I use to give a girl more, is to try to cut out the middleman, when possible. Arrange to meet a girl outside of the working place off hours, for example. Cost to you may be the same or less, the girl gets more. Or, tell the boss you only want a massage (usually cheaper house fee than FS), then negotiate with the girl directly giving her the difference. Small money that is much more important for the girl than the shop owner.

I don't think we can generalize too much about Western vs. Chinese treatment of girls. Maybe, we westerners treat them better overall, however, I know many Chinese guys that buy houses, cars, clothes, etc., and many of them are willing to pay higher prices than we are. Sometimes, just a matter of "face" e.g. to show they can afford it. I do agree with Soulman that with little gifts and regular visits, the service level gets much better over time.

Soulman, Glad to see you back! I'm looking forward to your visit so we can go hunting together! My wife is in the same category as you. Probably has an even better idea (She is Asian) but no confirmation. Did get caught with a similar clymedia problem once a few years back, but used the "deny, deny, deny" strategy. Told her it was a recurrence of a previous problem from Thailand before we were married. As long as I don't flaunt it, and she doesn't see it, it's OK.

Let's keep this thread going guys....

OAH

[DayNight]

>But does say that the mainland girls who are arranged
>visas by triads or enter in HK illegally by triads often have
>their identity cards taken away from them until their
>time in HK is up.

Slightly off topic since this is about Hong Kong:

Most mainland Hong Kong gals come to HK on a tourist visa and stay the maximum time. Many do freelance. All streetwalker in TST are mainland pros.

There is maybe some triad involvement somewhere, but it's not hard core forced sex.

So, just enjoy.

[Jazziton]

Most girls are not forced into the business but indirectly many of them are more or less bound to the shop or business in one or another way. I'm not saying this as an expert, but migration within China is no easy business and for a "immigrant", as many of these girls are, they need to pay a "fee" to the local government in able to let them stay where they work. Sometimes it's done through the barbershop or KTV place or MP or through "contacts". But that is still no guarantee that these girls will not be deporterd (or jailed) to a more rural area than the one they came from (that's the girls nightmare), if they do no behave or get caught in a crack down or has a powerful backup with a good connection to the local government (and when I say powerful = money).

Well, as said before, I'm not an expert, but just want to share these facts that I know and worth to keep in mind and especially that everything got to do with money in China.

Further, no offence to any of you "Laowei's" or "Gweilo's". Peace man, I'm raised and grown up in the west myself (of Asian origin). But being a gentlemen and do treat the girls well, and one thing one learn very quikly, is that this will pay off. This apply nomatter if it's China, Thailand, Australia or Europe. So not all HK or Taiwanese men is treating the girls bad and comparing to what the locals is doing, they treat them considerable good, cause they at least pay them well off. But by saying this I'm not saying you are wrong that most girls prefer westerners, but in the same time, some don't. Some girls are more into it than others and some have had good experience and will ofcourse go on and continue with that and for those having a bad one, they wiill not. So everbody is doing everybody a BIG favour by treating the girls nice. And when it comes to the size of a foreigner, I guess in average, you are better equiped, but I hear this comment a lot that my is big one too and I'm a regular Asian and considering myself having a quite standard equipment. Well my point is that it is not necessarily a positive thing to have larger size, since some girls will initially reject to accept. I have had friends who encountered these situations and it was ofcourse of no fun for them. Any of you with similar experiences.....?

In the other hand DATY is quite popular but don't know if I would do it to a working girl, but a GF, they will definetly love it.

Well, it's been a while since I was out hunting now, not because of this SARS thing but simply because I hasn't been around this area. But I definetly go and try a tip that Csun gave me soon (many thanks, by the way) and plan a trip to SZ despite the ongoing threat of SARS. What is worse, be stranded in HK S.A.R or go to China (SARS land, where all this originaly came from).........

Well brothers nogain, no pain... Anyway, happy hunting and do keep sharing the info. Play safe and enjoy while it last and finally, peace to everybody.

Jazziton

[OldAsiaHand]

I visited my usual hunting grounds in Futian again today. All the shops were open for business, as usual. Maybe it was because Shenzhen govt. reconfirmed only 47 SARS cases this week and as of today, no new cases for nine days. Or, possibly, on my last two Sunday visits, there was some sort of LE crackdown.

Business was still very slow. I went to a sauna in the area and the girl told me she only had one customer in two days working the day shift.

Jazziton,

I have to admit I have had a few problems because of size (not bragging), especially with less experienced girls in the places less frequented by foreigners. This may be because I do frequent the local places often. I end up feeling sorry for the girl and finish quickly, or let her finish me off in some other way. Some Chinese girls just don't want to do it with foreigners, and if I run across this situation, I oblige, even if the lao ban or mamasan insists the girl should go. On the other hand, many girls are curious about foreigners and I enjoy being their first experience with one.

OAH

[Soulman]

Hi Gents!

Good to see the regulars back.

OldAsiaHand, thanks for the updates and keep up the good work on letting us know how things are in good ol SZ, and be careful! I'd like to hook up with you next time in SZ as I usually stay in Crowne Plaza few nights with rest all over DG. I'd like to get to know Futian hangouts better... :)

I posted an article while back which discussed how many people are paid off by poor girls working in the business. It goes from mamasan (who will "push" the girls they favor when they all line up), the house, cops, local officials (they can kick you out of the city since you're not "resident") to even officials from the home town of where the girls came from (they keep track of which cute marketable girls left home)! Amazing... Now I see why the going rate for short time at ktv is 800 RMB.

I call my favorite ktv pals out for a night so she keeps all RMB. My favorite pal from Nanjing even waits to see me on her 1 day off then takes me and my business friends to her ktv to get brownie points. Or she takes a night off which is not easy. Ktvs have these rules where if you don't show up then they fine you 40 RMB so if you want a night off then you still need to show up and check in. I used to give her 200 USD (I know this is twice the going rate) because frankly she was well worth it with awesome GFE (girlfriend experience). I saw her every 2 to 4 months. Then last time I saw her she was almost different person. Her skin looked terrible, she was smoking heavily, not so sweet and not into sex at all; no bbbj, no hour long 69 we used to enjoy so much, too tired for morning session. Poor girl pretty much degenerated from working in ktv for 8 years... I called her last time I was in SZ in Feb and she wouldn't see me. I think her condition got worse and she didn't want me to see her like that. Oh, she used to tell me that she didn't work at ktv anymore so she wouldn't spend the night but poor girls ended up in more ktvs... There are different levels of ktv and she must now working in "lower" establishment. Here is a girl I literally fell in love with; her inner and outer beauty and special bond I felt when we first met, not to mention that she shared same fist and last name with my ex-girlfriend of 9 "fun" months (very horny Manchurian secretary from my host company who "lived" with me whenever I was in town - even got caught by her colleagues at hotel). It's a shame but harsh reality...

As for coming back to see the girl again, wow, I share mobile phone # if the girl was good in bed. My experince has been 1/3 are dead logs and shouldn't be in business, 1/3 are mechanical sex, 1/3 are good to very good sex. I understand that GFE comes about when a girls has "emotional" tie to the man. And I think this is true. I see 3 girls regularly and another girl I picked up as street walker in Shekou (front of McDonalds) 2 years ago and I have one of the best GFE action and probalby best in last 5 years. She is not pretty but real nice body and loves sex. :) Funny thing is that she was offended when I try to pay her my 2nd time and would ask for nominal "rent" money afterwards.

So gents, take a chance with a girl who was good in bed and see what happens. Take a little gift and offer to take them out to dinner (many girls were shocked that I even offered to be seen with them in hotel restaurants). My Mandarin is [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor and rely on my pc and phrase book but once the "bond" occurs, it's different kind of experience... I also had good luck thru penpal websites but this takes a lot of effort and time until the girl (not all) end up in your bed.

Sorry for long post and we should try to communicate when we're in SZ so we can hook up. Csun and I almost did late last year.

PS - As for working conditions in factories I visit, I see OK to downright inhumane. Poor girls sitting near very smelly bathrooms to hundreds of country girls all squatting down with little space between them painting McDonalds kid meal toy outside with plastic sheet to protect from rain/sun. Thus the reason many HK and Taiwanese get bad reputation for mistreating mainlan Chinese people.

[Batman]

Hey Guys,

Just back from Shenzhen and had a great time. The mommy I was refered to hooked me up a couple of times and had 1 real good one and an Average one 300. The Jing Peng Hotel was great cheap and nice 30 U.S. per night. Food was great down stairs and right next door. Had a real problem with the language though as no one speaks english there. Pleanty of action in front of the hotel. There are regular girls that walk in front everynight and there are those who walk by so there is a good flow of girls to choose from for 200.

[Tangent]

DayNight> You are right. My mistake that my post implied that the mainland women in HK were forced into the business. The book does seem to say that the women knew what the deal was before they went to HK.

Went to Lan Kwai Fong on HK last weekend and it was dead. Bars in SZ, however, seem to be doing the same ol' level of business as before the SARS outbreak.

[ManonsanBoy]

Anyone have any experience with virgins. I have been offered one for 2500 RMB, inspect first, if not satisfied, no pay.

[OldAsiaHand]

Soulman,

I'm looking forward to hooking up with you on your next visit. Any idea when you are coming to town? My pleasure to show you around my hunting grounds. I was back again yesterday and all the shops were open. I am still wearing a mask.

It is difficult for me to develop lasting relationships in Shenzhen due to lack of time and I do not have any place to take them back to. A couple of fellow mongers and I are thinking about renting one place specifically for this purpose.

On the other hand, I travel to Guanghzou 2-3 times per month and have a few regulars up there. I must say that one of them is the best BBBJTCWS I have ever had anywhere in the world which is very unusual in China. Some guys may say that you cannot have a real GFE with a pro. My opinion is that this may not be possible the first time but can happen over time.

Any of you other guys have an opinion on this? I would also like to conduct a survey on this thread, regarding Soulman's assessment of 1/3, 1/3, 1/3. I personally agree with the 1/3 dead logs, but think mechanical may be higher and good to very good is a bit lower. Please post your opinions guys.


OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

manonsanboy.

Virgins are not my cup of tea, but I was offered one in DG at 7,500 RMB for three days on the same terms and conditions, satisfaction guaranteed. Since I did not try it, I cannot vouch for the authenticity. Can you really tell? I understand there are many ways to fake it.

OAH

[Cavechu]

Originally posted by OldAsiaHand
Any of you other guys have an opinion on this? I would also like to conduct a survey on this thread, regarding Soulman's assessment of 1/3, 1/3, 1/3. I personally agree with the 1/3 dead logs, but think mechanical may be higher and good to very good is a bit lower. Please post your opinions guys.OAH

Soulman accessment is almost right...though I would add that about 10% instead of 33.33% for good to very good part.

[ManonsanBoy]

I have no idea how you tell a virgin from a non virgin. Somethin to do with Hymen. But it is 6-10 times the going rate.

[MoneyTree]

Hello OldAsiaHand, or anyone else. Im looking for an elabore rundown on the scene in donguan and futian, on size, who are the providers, the price levels, and is it mafia run like in some other cities or rather localised, who gets paid what and what about the quality of girls, how does the large tw and hk community affect prices?

[Soulman]

hi gents!

well, as for my humble assessment of 1/3 dead logs, 1/3 "mechanical" and 1/3 good to very good.

i think we can all agree on dead logs. i had more than few and hell it's a real crap shoot when selecting girls from line ups. my taiwanese pal's rule of thumb is choose older more mature girls and as he puts it (and right) these girls are more apt to give bbbj and know how to please a man. i even had the girls give me the "look" and smile like she wanted to be with me on the line up only to end up as frigid and no clue on what to do. but i tend to pick the skinny young ones. ah, ktv with huge selection of girls is gentlemen's paradise...

1/3 mechanical are more likely from experinced but not interested in sex type girls. most girls i met in thailand, malaysia, taiwan and korea are like that. i'd say most girls i meet at sauna places in sz area are in this category. i found some older girls my taiwanese pal prefers are in this category too.

1/3 good to very good, boy, it's hard to say. i mean my good experience may not be so good to another "john" and same for very good. it's really relative. and don't forget that we can improve the situation too. on my first night with a cuti in sz after being away, i'm so damn horny that i want to throw her down on my bed as soon as we're in the room and rip her clothes off. my old manchurian girfriend actually liked this and she wanted to be spanked. she even told me to be rough with her as one of her fantasy is to be raped! go figure... but most girls who follow us to our room are really scared. imagine from their point of view; strange man. so i tried to chit chat by asking where their home towns are, etc, with my chinese phrase book and if i have broadband then thru translation web site. i offer tea or beer and let them watch tv and try to cuddle up. i take my time. this seem to relax them and they're more likely to be better in bed. :)

oah, hey you can use my hotel room! i had one guy from this site contact me in shanghai last fall wanting to borrow my hotel room for few hours... but what i really want is to hook up with 1 girl each, bring them to "our" room and swap. hehehe... of course girls will get extra rmb for this. :)

[Cavechu]

originally posted by soulman
my old manchurian girfriend actually liked this and she wanted to be spanked. she even told me to be rough with her as one of her fantasy is to be raped! go figure...

i had an asian girl in la that actually beggged to talk and act like i was [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) her while doing the deed..these girls can be kinky, mentally screwed and emotionally lonely. but they choose to do this on their own will and desire to make (alot) of money. i am sure they have their perverted choice of whom they would get comfy with on the get go. but i tend not to waste my time to try to fugure them out. they are who they are and we are who we are. there is no sure fire way to loosen the oyster for good time to be had. money is the initial grease of temptation for these girls...

[OldAsiaHand]

Originally posted by MoneyTree
Hello OldAsiaHand, or anyone else. Im looking for an elabore rundown on the scene in donguan and futian, on size, who are the providers, the price levels, and is it mafia run like in some other cities or rather localised, who gets paid what and what about the quality of girls, how does the large tw and hk community affect prices?

MoneyTree,

Thank you for your faith in my expertise on the S. China marketplace. First, I will say that I am not an expert on what goes on behind the scenes, but I reckon it is local and unorganized (no mafia). Also, I am not sure who gets paid what, but I am sure that there are many hands in the cookie jar as is the norm in China.

Size: Without question, S. China has the largest market on the mainland. For example, I have been to a nightclub/KTV in DG with over 600 girls. All lined up for your inspection and selection.

Prices: Across the gambit from 100RMB ST in barber shops to 1,500RMB or more for top quality in the best KTV. HK/TW guys usually pay depending on what they can afford, but are pretty good at maintaining prices at reasonable levels. Generally, the lower the turnover, the higher the price, and most HK/TW punters put a higher value on the lower turnover.

Futian is a district of Shenzhen and my preferred hunting grounds since I know most of the shop owners in the area. Prices are 150-200RMB for ST in the barber shops. Some barber shops offer HJ with massage for no extra charge, or a small tip (20-50RMB). Most saunas in the area do not offer extra service. I never go to KTV in Shenzhen since the girls are too expensive for my taste. No street hustlers or mamasans operating in Futian, like LoWu. SW in Shenzhen are in the 200-400RMB range.

Dongguan (DG): KTV paradise. Huge market. Most KTV girls are 500RMB ST, 800RMB LT. Sauna/MP girls ask for 400-500RMB tip for FS, HJ is usually included for the 200RMB fee for sauna/massage. Barber shops are 200-300 ST, 500 LT. I go to one that offers imported Vietnamese girls, very good service, usually better than KTV girls. I have never seen any SW in DG.

Hope this helps. Happy Hunting!

OAH

[NightPlay]

Hi brothers,

Would anyone recommend me some phone numbers / contacts for in call hotel service? I'll be visiting SZ on early-mid May.

I feel disco and ktv are too noisy and RISKY at this moment. Any brothers will have better suggestions?

Can I be useful in reporting the current SARS condition?

Stay cool brothers,

Night

[OldAsiaHand]

Originally posted by Soulman
OAH, hey you can use my hotel room! I had one guy from this site contact me in Shanghai last fall wanting to borrow my hotel room for few hours... But what I really want is to hook up with 1 girl each, bring them to "our" room and swap. Hehehe... Of course girls will get extra RMB for this. :) [/i]

Soulman:

Thanks for the offer! Why should we settle for just two girls to swap? Why don't we make it 4-5 and have a real feast? Let me see if I can arrange some "cooperative" ones before you come. We really need to find the right girls for this sort of thing. They have to be good friends to start with. I will keep you informed on the hunt, but give me some advance notice when you will be here.

OAH

[Superforce99]

Dear OAH,

Even though I've only spoken to a handful of people regarding the South China market, I really think that you are by far the encyclopedia of information about "the life" and I'm glad you make your knowledge available to all.

Could you give me directions to the Vietnamese place you described? I will be coming to Shenzhen this weekend and I may/may not have time to go hunting with you. Depends on if I can get away from the Mrs....

Thanks

Johnny

[Cavechu]

Originally posted by OldAsiaHand
Dongguan (DG): KTV paradise. Huge market. Most KTV girls are 500RMB ST, 800RMB LT. Sauna/MP girls ask for 400-500RMB tip for FS, HJ is usually included for the 200RMB fee for sauna/massage. Barber shops are 200-300 ST, 500 LT. I go to one that offers imported Vietnamese girls, very good service, usually better than KTV girls. I have never seen any SW in DG.

Hope this helps. Happy Hunting!

OAH

How would you rate those imported vietnamese girls in looks, services and overall play? TIA

[OldAsiaHand]

Originally posted by Johnnykon666
Dear OAH,

Even though I've only spoken to a handful of people regarding the South China market, I really think that you are by far the encyclopedia of information about "the life" and I'm glad you make your knowledge available to all.

Could you give me directions to the Vietnamese place you described? I will be coming to Shenzhen this weekend and I may/may not have time to go hunting with you. Depends on if I can get away from the Mrs....

Thanks

Johnny

Johnny,

Thanks for the compliment! It means a lot to me especially coming from a veteran monger like yourself! Everybody does something for relaxation... some guys play sports, some guys workout, some guys build models, etc.....I spend a great deal of time, (and money) in this particular pursuit.

Regarding the VN place, please check your email. I prefer not to post it for obvious reasons. We are not talking about girls that came South from Hunan here. I'm sure you can understand.

Give me a call on the mobile if you can manage some free time this weekend. I will probably have to spend some time with the wife, as well, since it is a holiday weekend, but can probably get away for a few hours.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

Originally posted by AMPGuest
How would you rate those imported vietnamese girls in looks, s
ervices and overall play? TIA

AMPGuest,

Most of the girls are from Hanoi, Haiphong and the Red River Delta area in Northern Vietnam, so they are better quality than the Southern Vietnamese girls, but still only in the 5-7 range overall, except for a few stunners. As far as the service is concerned, they are far better than most Chinese KTV girls in my opinion. Much more affectionate even the first time with them. Glad to spend the night and give you as much as you want, as long as you want. A real value. Unfortunately, there are not more of them in China.

OAH

[Superforce99]

OAH,

Those Vietnamese girls sound like they would be a great experience. If I knew a girl would please me and let me have as much as I want, I really wouldn't mind if they were lower in quality in terms of looks...well, a couple of times anyway! But the couple of times that I've "settled" in terms of looks in the hope of a "plain-looking homerun" it's definately be strikeouts, maybe even hit by pitcher!

Might as well have a good looking dead log instead of a petrified tree trunk....

Johnny

[Superforce99]

quote:
Originally posted by Soulman
OAH, hey you can use my hotel room! I had one guy from this site contact me in Shanghai last fall wanting to borrow my hotel room for few hours... But what I really want is to hook up with 1 girl each, bring them to "our" room and swap. Hehehe... Of course girls will get extra RMB for this. [/i]

Soulman,

Do you rent a hotel room by the month or by year? What part of Shenzhen is it in?
I've been trying to find swingers and/or sex clubs in South China for a few months now, but no luck at all. There does seem to be a lot of potential action on adultfriendfinder, but I'm not sure how many of those ads are real.

Johnny

[Soulman]

Hi Fellow Mongers!

Ah, many of us "pigs" have same idea on preference for more than 1 girls... :)

Here are my 3 experiences regarding this...

1. Thailand
I was at the border town between Malaysia and Thailand. Forgot the town name but I used to rent a car for the weekend from KL and drive 11 hrs to Thailand! Parked my car at duty free shop between the border and indulge in good times. Anyway, walked into 1 shop and asked if I can have 2 girls at one time. Well, the pimp misunderstood me even though I selected 2 cutis. He had 1 leave with me to local hotel and asked me to come back for the 2nd girl. Well, I was kind a shy and embarassed so took up on his offer.

2. Hainan - Sanya
Well, I posted my misadventure on this board while ago. Anyway, Holiday Inn's shuttle driver hooked me and my buddy with a pimp who spoke good English. Brought 2 girls and I let my buddy pick first since he is amateur at this mongering stuff. He picked a real cuti and I settled for 2nd best. We did out deeds and I called my pal and talked him into swapping our girls since I had the hot for his girl. We switched rooms while our dates were taking shower. Boy was my pal's date shocked to see me in bed with a grin on my face. I mean she had no clue. I tried to cozy up to her and she acted like somebody's wife rejecting my advances. Then she called her pimp and all she would say is "mo money". Well, I was kind a drunk and turned off so came back to my room. My pal had same experience. Funny thing is that then the girls acted like nothing happened and cozied back to us. :) Looking back I should have paid "mo money".

3. SZ - Crowne Plaza
I was at the disco "BAR" with a different friend from work. We had a bottle of Chivas and pretty drunk. A girl I did from the disco noticed me and came by to say hi. She was followed by other girls. I guess word got out that I pay for service. My pal picked the girl I did from Dalian and I chose this nasty looking girl (both are from North - better in bed). We told them if they'd mind if we have fun in 1 room with 2 beds. Hehehe we lied for wellyou guessed it, SWAPPING! Girls chatted for few mins and said no prob. But my pal got shy and said he can't do it with me doing it on a bed next to him. :( So we decided to swap the room after our 1st session. But my date decided to leave after 1 session. I tried to tell her "all night" but she wouldn't budge. I was pissed so only gave her 600 RMB instead of 1000.

I'll let you getns know when I come back in town for "reunion" party at BAR in Crowne Plaza. I'll get a suite and let the fun begin! I'll bring some adult dvd and hook it up to tv from laptop. Now if only the girls will understand our "desire" and cooperate... :)

As for adultfriendfinder.com, hehehe. Yes I was one of the early members of this site in 1998 when it used to be free like asiafriendfinder.com. Believe it or not I hooked up with a white girl in LA area and 2 girls in Malaysia and 2 girls in SZ/GZ thanks to asiafriendfinder.com. But lately, it has been getting tough to find girls thru that site. My best luck came from hitting on secretaries at the companies I visit!!! I scored big time with very horny Manchurian girl and another one who was kind a ugly and dirty (won't take shower or wash hands). So take a chance and email the girls you meet thru work!

[OldAsiaHand]

Originally posted by Soulman

I'll let you getns know when I come back in town for "reunion" party at BAR in Crowne Plaza. I'll get a suite and let the fun begin! I'll bring some adult dvd and hook it up to tv from laptop. Now if only the girls will understand our "desire" and cooperate... :)

Soulman,

Just get your ass over here quick! hehehe... I will make sure the girls understand and cooperate. The key is to brief them in advance what is expected and agree on a price for it. The reason I say they have to be good friends is that we don't want to change condoms every time we swap, do we? Or do you just want to do them one at a time? Much easier to find that way, but much less fun in my POV. What do you think?

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

Originally posted by Johnnykon666

Might as well have a good looking dead log instead of a petrified tree trunk....

Johnny

Johnny,

Great proverb. With the odd exception, I find a higher percentage of good looking dead logs, and many plain lookers that try much harder to please.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

Fellow Mongers:

Since the subject of multiples and swapping is being discussed on this thread, I would like to share one of my best experiences:

Venue: Billion Bar, Pattaya Thailand

I was hanging out having a few beers when a European couple wandered in. He was Swiss, she was a drop dead gorgeous British blonde. Started up a conversation and it appeared they were swingers looking for some action. I couldn't keep my eyes off the blonde. Living in Asia for so long, I do not get the opportunity for western girls very often.

Anyway, after a few more beers I suggested that we take four of the bar girls back to my place. Evidently, they were staying at one of the 5 star resorts and were not keen to bring the girls back there.

My objective was to screw the blonde, so I immediately instructed 2 of the girls to start working on the Swiss guy to distract him. They performed fabulously. BBBJ, DATY, one on his face the other on top, some lesbian action, etc. The whole nine yards! He was in heaven.

In the meantime, I had the other 2 girls start on the blonde. They gave her a tongue bath, one starting at the head down, the other from the feet up. When they met in the middle, she was going crazy.

I am just sitting back enjoying the show until I could see the blonde was ready. She was kind of watching her husband and getting a little jealous I think. While both girls were doing DATY on her, I went over and kneeled down on the bed facing her. She immediately started a BBBJ on me. With all this excitment, I was worried I might only last a few minutes in her mouth and I really wanted to screw her. I turned her over on her knees and did her doggy style. One of the girls was sucking and playing with my balls and the other was underneath the blonde kissing her and playing with her tits. During this, the husband finished, noticed what was going on and was giving me a very dirty look.
At that point, I had enough, could not hold it any longer anyway and came in the blonde.

Afterwards, I could see the couple both felt guilty about what had transpired. Obviously, they were only "wanabe" swingers. They threw US$400 down on the bed and stormed out fighting about whose idea it was. The girls were ecstatic about the money since they usually only get $25 for ST. All four ended up staying overnight with me and left the next afternoon to go back to work at the bar.

OAH

[Cavechu]

Originally posted by OldAsiaHand
.
At that point, I had enough, could not hold it any longer anyway and came in the blonde.
OAH

Good story OAH, you sly dawg. I will remember to keep my gf from your seductive charm.

[Soulman]

OAH,

Hey thanks for sharing the cool experience! Lucky dog! :)

As for our own "plan", I need to come to SZ as soon as this SARS crap hysteria calms down. Hopefully, the commies in Beijing will force anyone suspected of being sick in qurantine to drive SARS off China but it's a hell of big country with billion plus people (lots of eager sweet young cutis too!).

If you gather the local girls and explain what's gonna happen will assure more fun times. I'd hate to try to explain in the middle of orgy... :) I'm really serious about this too. Agree on making sure the girls are friends but noticed many girls hang around in pairs too. I try to get some of my pals drunk to loosen them but I noticed that many Chinese girls just don't drink other than few mixed wines in ktvs.

Happy Hunting!

[OldAsiaHand]

Soulman,

This SARS thing is still cramping my style too. I am trying to cut my frequency down to once a week and wearing a mask. Not as much fun, but I am too addicted to stop completely. They already have 8,000 people in quarantine in Beijing, and all entertainment places are closed. Shenzhen seems less affected by the scare, but business is still very slow.

I would recommend we take the girls from a barbershop or MP. These girls all live together in very close quarters and become close friends, especially if they come from the same province and speak the same language. IMHO, most KTV girls will be less likely to cooperate, or make a "package" deal.

I am serious too. Just waiting for your date of arrival....

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

Fellow Mongers:

I was thinking about putting together a "Monger Convention" of sorts similar to what ******* does in the Dominican Republic. I think Dongguan is the best venue. I am willing to make all the local arrangements if we have enough guys for it. For convenience, I would suggest we stay in a self-contained unit e.g. Hotel/Sauna/KTV in close proximity to local barbershops. I could also arrange some alternative daytime activities such as golf, sightseeing, etc. for those interested in some diversion. It might be fun for all of us with this common "hobby" to get together, swap war stories over a few beers, share contacts, and enjoy some hunting.

Any of you fellow mongers interested?

OAH

[Soulman]

OAH,

I'm all for mongering convention. It might be hard for some of us to get together as most of us travel due to business. I came to SZ 8 times last year and twice this year all on business. Also kind a hard to get around as DG is huge. I'd think SZ might be better be better venue as many of us return to SZ for the weekend from working in DG area.

As for girls for fun, is it me or the girls from Hunan don't give bbbj? I come across many Hunan girls in ktvs I go to and I swear they think bbbj is real taboo. Funny thing is that girls from other provinces seem to have no issue with it. One cuti I met from Hunan was so good at lubricating her finger with her saliva that I swear she was giving me bbbj to find that it was her finger! :) Now I have been around but boy was she talented...

[OldAsiaHand]

Soulman,

I thought about DG for several reasons. First, it is halfway between SZ and GZ so more convenient for the GZ boys to come down. Second, a couple of days of golf in DG is a good excuse for me to get away from the wife. Third, I have some very good friends in DG who can help with local arrangements on the ground. And last, but most important, the selection of talent is greater and more concentrated in the towns in DG. Don't worry, we will make sure you find the place from wherever you are in DG during the week. We need to pick the dates. Let's try to make it during your next trip over. How much advance notice do you usually have before you arrive?

Funny you should mention Hunan girls and BBBJ. I was just discussing this very subject with Johnny and recommended one Hunan girl in a barbershop in GZ. What I find hard to get often enough is BBBJTCWS in China, or anywhere in Asia for that matter. There are two things that kill the moment for me....gagging and spitting. I will say that most Chinese girls do not like to do BBBJ, and will claim they don't, however, with a little gentle insistance and a disappointed look on my face, I can usually convince them to do so, often to my pleasant surprise with their technique.

OAH

[Soulman]

OAH,

OK, DG sounds good. I'm all over DG and SZ area when I come for biz. Man, DG sure is a big county... But there are so so many ktvs in DG. I've been to about 5 from gritty one in east side to the best Egyptian Palace in west side. Now that you mention it, ktvs in SZ/Baoan area are not as nice and fancy having been to 6 of them. I only play golf in China for business and pretty bad at it but like the caddy services. Been to couple of clubs but can't remember the name. How much does it cost to play 18 holes on weekends? I never had to pay but noticed lot of guys on 1st morning ferries out of HK with golf clubs.

As for my next trip, hell maybe this summer. I'm used to coming every 1 to 2 months. I need to be there now... Even my Taiwanese biz pals are not going either. My HK pals tell me that ktv are dead with many girls gone back home even the pretty ones. :(

What is "tcws" in front of bbbj? Other than Hunan girls, I've had good luck with girls with pretty good skill in bbbj. In fact I can count handful who really seemd to enjoy it. I had flings with 2 secretaries from my host companies and this one girl who was kind a dirty (no hand washing or regular shower and same clothes every day) was not only very good and wanted me to come in her mouth. She would suck and lick for almost an hour even when I came and fell asleep she would try to rev up my tool wither her tongue and mouth. But she began to fall in love with me and spent the whole weekend with me in my hotel when I had other cutis to play with. She would even take 2 hr bus ride from Baoan to my hotel in SZ to spend the night only to wake up at 5 AM to take the bus back. When she was sending me love letters, I cut the relationship off. Besides being not so clean, she was kind a on a ugly side. But I sure miss that *****'s bj skill... :)

[Furon]

I have never been there but after reading the other posts, it sounds like and interesting adventure.

[OldAsiaHand]

Soulman,

Depending on the golf course, can run from 700-1,200RMB, all in, at the better one in DG.

Hope you can get here before the usual late summer LE crackdown which normally runs up to National Day on October 1.

TCWS = til completion with swallow. As Jackson always always says, check the Terms & Abbreviations link above.

Action is a bit slow lately so I imagine it is a good time for KTV girls to take leave.

Keep us posted when you are coming for sure.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

Originally posted by Furon
I have never been there but after reading the other posts, it sounds like and interesting adventure.

Furon,

We will keep you informed of the dates for our adventure. Waiting for Soulman to get over here. SARS has kind of put a hold on his plans for a few months.

BTW, if you are in Shenzhen and want to do some local hunting, just let me know.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

My weekly report from Shenzhen:

It seems that the SARS fear is starting to wane. At my usual hunting grounds in Futian, there was a noticable increase in business activity. A few new shops have opened and existing ones had a lot of fresh stock available. Also, some shops under new management. A sign of business confidence.

On the downside, LE were out prowling yesterday, checking business licenses and girls ID cards, writing a few citations. Also, the law requires that all the girls must wear a common uniform if the establishment has a barber shop license. This law is being enforced recently. Funny thing is that I have never seen anyone get a haircut in any of these shops, but then they must play the game.

LE presence always makes me nervous since I stick out like a sore thumb in the area. In fact, besides bringing some of my western friends with me, I have never seen another westerner in any of the shops. I got the feeling I was being watched so I decided to take a pass.

Called one of my mamasan contacts and headed for LoWu. She had some new girls she wanted me to take a look at. After seeing about 15 girls, I decided to try one of her new arrivals from Anhui that she recommended for "service", even though she was only a 7-8 on looks. Gave me a nice long shower with BBBJ and cleaned me up real good front and back so I knew what she was up do. Went to the room and she started to lick my asshole, balls and continued the BBBJ. Started to get on top to ride me bareback, but I quickly came to my senses and requested a condom. After that sensational BBBJ, I could not last very long with her riding me. Definitely a 9 on service. Worth every cent of the 250RMB.

OAH

P.S. Any of you guys have experiences with girls willing to provide FS without protection? Do you ever take the chance?

[Lucky888]

Originally posted by OldAsiaHand
<snip>
P.S. Any of you guys have experiences with girls willing to provide FS without protection? Do you ever take the chance?

OAH, You seem to have a real nice setup with the mommy(s) in Lowu...I've seen a number of good posts about 200-300RMB FS affairs you've had. Congrats.

Like Soulman, my return to China has been derailed by SARS. Would like to join in the golfing event (both the indoor and outdoor golf) if my return lines up with your plans.

Regarding your question....I've amazingly never let me little head do all the thinking, so I've not taken that chance. Usually I have about 2 licks of DATY and then logic prevails, so I try to keep a clean mouth, too. Guess that's why I never let myself get real drunk when I'm expecting action later in the night...I know I'd become dangerously reckless.
However, there was one time with an absolute 10 (both body and face--hot damn she was fine!) in a Dongguan Hotel KTV (Palais Royale, in Fenggan), and she was quite inexperienced, too....so I was very very tempted; and looking back, I don't think she would have objected...she didnt object to anything else other than insisting on wearing the damn shower cap.

Peace.
Lucky

[Moody]

I used to do it occasionally without condom, but I caught something once, and I've been religious about it ever since. I'm pretty sure I know which girl it was, so I haven't been back to that establishment since. If you guys ever get a chance, try to make it to Las Vegas at the Holiday Hotel. It's a KTV and it's pricey, but they have serious hotties over there. Overnight is 2000RMB, but well worth it if you don't mind laying out the dough. I was there about 8 nights out of 10 a couple of weeks ago.

[Superforce99]

OAH,

The Anhui girl sounds like a great replica of the HK Mongkok girls except at a cheaper price and I don't have to go all the way to Hong Kong! Good find!

Of the couple of 141 girls I've tried, all of them requested condoms pretty firmly except for one. She seemed to "question" me instead of "instructing" me to use one, ha ha. I asked her I didn't want to use it and she put it back in her box-of-condoms without a word. Then, ofcourse, I requested it. I'm not really worried about STDs too much in China, but still, better safe than sorry...

Johnny

[DayNight]

I like to get some feedback here on threesomes.

Who tried it? How was it?

I'm a bit scared that a threesome will work out as having sex with one gal while the other watches TV.

I had 2 experiences with 2 gals in China and neither was worth talking about.


BTW, on the topic of latex free sex, it never crossed my mind for a second to have unprotected sex or to eat pussy. I had 1 or 2 condom breakages the last few years, but I guess I was lucky....

[MoneyTree]

I WOULD absolutely love to go to South China, esp Dongguan, Shenzhen, and Xiamen, even for a year or two to work, improve my Chinese, and make some more useful guanxi for my future. As most of you know I have been in Shanghai for some time, currently in Europe and waiting to go back after some holidays over here.

I am financially stable but would be looking to be doing something with my time, does anyone have any ideas if I could do some interesting work down there? Im actually only 21, have a Univ. degree in economics and work experience in finance, otherwise working for my family trading company

anyone lhave some ideas or looking for some SARS replacement? love those hot and dirty cities

[OldAsiaHand]

DayNight,

IMHO, the key to threesomes is only to do it with two very good friends. If I just pick two I like separately, I usually end up with your "watching TV" or "hiding in the bathroom" scenario. When I ask one to pick the other for me, it usually works out much better. For me, if they ask me to change a condom, it kills the moment and spoils the fun. My best luck with this in China is at the barbershops since all the girls are actually together 24 hours a day, mostly coming from the same part of China, and develop very close relationships. For KTV girls, my suggestion is to ask the "mommy" for guidance.

Good Luck!

OAH

P.S. In Thailand, I try to take the girls that do the lesbian shows in the bars. Always had good luck with these duos.

[DayNight]

OldAsiaHand

I will keep the 'ask a friend' advice in my mind. A lesbian show would be nice too, but I guess that's even harder to get....

[OldAsiaHand]

DayNight,

Never been lucky enough to find it in China yet.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

MoneyTree:

Hope you are enjoying your holiday in Europe! You created quite a bit of excitement on the Shanghai board with your post about those apartment girls. I can't wait to get up there and try them myself.

A finance job will be difficult to find at your level unless you have fluent Mandarin, including reading and writing. I would suggest you try to get a sales & marketing job at one of the factories with your trading experience. Many factories that depend on trading companies to sell their products would like to deal direct with importers. Too bad you just missed the Canton Fair. It would have been a good opportunity to talk with people. You may want to try some of the industry specific fairs as they come up. Normally, all the factory GMs attend these fairs. With such a huge export manufacturing base in the PRD, I am sure you can find something.

Good Luck!

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

Originally posted by lucky888

Like Soulman, my return to China has been derailed by SARS. Would like to join in the golfing event (both the indoor and outdoor golf) if my return lines up with your plans.


Lucky888,

We will count you in. Keep us posted on your plans.

OAH

[Soulman]

Hi OAH and Gents!

Man, I'm getting depressed... I was told that I won't be traveling until end of June due to SARS. At this point, I don't what/who to believe but actions by villagers overtuning amulances and attacking hospitals tells me that people in China are overreacting.
Just the thought of swapping and 3 some gets me depressed more... :(

As for doing it without the rubber, I've done it few times with girls I met thru internet, secretaries at host companies and my favorite ktv girls. That said, my pal from Nanjing gave me chlymedia once. I guess she scrwed other westerners without rubber too.

I was in Seoul few years back in a *****house and took off rubber for final 69 action and I was so worked up that I did the girl doggy style too and got Gonorhea. Ugly. The worst part was having to go to local county health clinic since I could see my HMO doctor. I waited in a room filled with Mexican immigrants (man some even brought their kid to STD clinic!) and feeling humiliated. Saw a doctor who also recommneded HIV. Hell why not since I 've been to Thailand few times. Had to go back to STD clinic to get my STD test results. Then I learned that gonorhea can be cure by taking 1 tablet of Cipro which by the way my compnay nurse provided in a "medical"kit for fighting infection of intestines. :)

[TangZhen]

MoneyTree

I have seen your posts and liked them. About getting a job here, I have been down that path and know it well. There are 2 ways, the Chinese way and the International way.

The Chinese way to make any money here is by guangxi. You will need to find a way to become 'friends' with people who control money. Of course everyone is trying to be their friend also, so these money controlling people tend to be good at taking favors without giving any. This is not an easy path.

The international way is to have some company post you here. For this as OAH noted, requires fluent Chinese and/or special ability (you are the only one capable of getting the job done), or some other situation that makes it work. If your family is in trading, you might be able to work something.

If you want to ask me a question, write me at
tangzhen@lycos.com

Cheers,
TZ

PS. A monger convention in SZ, WOW things have changed since I first came here in 1990.

[OldAsiaHand]

Originally posted by TangZhen


PS. A monger convention in SZ, WOW things have changed since I first came here in 1990.

TZ,

Should we count you in for the convention? We will probably have it in DG somewhere.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

Soulman,

Don't worry, we will wait for you to get here for the convention!
In the meantime, we can ship a few cuties over for you if you are willing to pay the freight costs and import duties. Air is pretty cheap now given the SARS situation.

OAH

[TangZhen]

Originally posted by OldAsiaHand
TZ,

Should we count you in for the convention? We will probably have it in DG somewhere.

OAH

OAH, Thanks for the invite, I would love to go, but I will need to check the work schedule once a date is fixed. I travel quite a bit.

Cheers,

[TangZhen]

OAH, sorry I forgot, you can write me at tangzhen@lycos.com

[Travel to China]

Hey guys,

I have to travel to Hong Kong next week. I am also thinking of stopping by Shenzhen. Does the city restricts travelers from going out to for the first seven days. Back here in NY, my friend came back from Taipei is require to stay home for first 7 days. However, there's nobody to check on you so you can go out. How's the SAR situation there in SZ. Are the shops back in business so I can go have some fun.

Any recomendations on where I can go for good looking girls. I speak pretty good chinese but can't read and write since I have some HK blood in me. email me your phone number or email address, if you want to go out together or share some girls' phone number. Thanks....

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[DayNight]

There are no retrictions in Shenzhen as far as I know. You can move freely.

An evening stroll around the Sunshine Hotel will answer your other question.



BTW: I fully support WSG's 'no email' ban! If you don't want to post here, or don't want to come back to read a reply then join a mailing list.

[Mistalava]

Hey, Jackson. Big thumbs up to you! I've been a very infrequent lurker latley due to business and a more "regular" travel shedule in areas outside of our favorite Sanuk desinations. I concur with your opinion of the "back-channeled" faux newbies. Ask a question -- and when you get your dick wet in a new place or in a new fashion, share with everyone else.

SARS? Went to HK, GZ and Toronto with no problems. Cough... hack...cough...hack-hack. Had fun with my Mommies girls in SZ without a hiccup.

FYI...got a hot new girlfriend fresh from Dialan when I was in Toronto. She was quite unexpected (met her at a beauty show) and so damn hot. See... not all the hot girls are from Szechuan ;-)

[OldAsiaHand]

T2C,

As far as I know, they are still checking temperatures at the border crossing from HK, but if you do not have a fever, you are free to pass.

You can check my weekly reports for the status of the market, but in summary:

Most of the barbershops are doing business as usual.

Some of the KTVs may be a little light on girls.

I was at the FoodStreet with a fellow WSG monger on Thursday night. There were less girls than usual according to him, but we were there a bit early. Still enough to go around.

My favorite hunting grounds are the barbershops near the Futian WalMart. FS for 150RMB with the room. Be careful of SW setups in LoWu, usually work in pairs.

Happy Hunting!

OAH

[TangZhen]

OAH:

I was wondering if you could share any insight into how to get the right MP. I have too many times gotten a good massage, but getting anything else, is not going. I like saunas as they tend to be clean and you get a good shower before and after. Good hygene aginst 'fei dian'! Are there any key things I am missing.

Cheers.
TZ

[Csun213]

Hi Guys, I need some help. I will be going to Chongqing on business however I want to stop in Shenzhen for a couple of days for fun. I have heard from some people that Chongqing is making all people that comes from SARS area stay in their hotels for 2 weeks even if you have no signs of SARS. Does anyone know whether this is true? I don't really want to be locked up for 2 weeks just for spending 2 days in Shenzhen. Thanks for any help.

csun213

[OldAsiaHand]

TZ,

I am facing the same dilemna as you in Shenzhen. I also like saunas for the hygiene and massage and am willing to pay a bit more; at least they change the sheets after every customer, especially with this "fei dian" thing going around. Hygiene is definitely a major drawback with the barbershops, and you cannot get a good massage.

However, I have not found a decent sauna with extra service. Well, maybe a HJ if you are a regular customer and build up a bit of a relationship with one particular girl, or just pure luck occasionally. It is not a LE fear, rather a house policy. The management sometimes send in a friend, acting as a customer, to test a particular girl if they get suspicious. One girl at my favorite place just got canned this way. The only way I have had FS from a MP girl in Shenzhen is by meeting her outside.

Now DG is a completely different story. I like one place in Chanping, all private rooms with sauna, steam, shower, king size bed, plenty of clean towels, etc. This place will be on the Agenda for the convention. A bit pricey, (RMB238+500 tip for two hours) but worth every penny in my POV.

I would be keen to hear about any similar places in Shenzhen too.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

csun213,

I am pretty sure Shanghai has mandatory quarantine in place from "affected areas" which includes all of Guangdong, but I have not heard anything about Chongqing. You may want to double check with your travel agent or the Chongqing Municipal Govt. directly. Another option is to cross the border to HK and fly out of there, if HK is OK. Another option is to take a train or car to an adjacent province and depart from there. A bit of a hassle. I believe they are checking airport of departure, rather than places you may have visited, but I could be wrong. Depends on how much you want the fun.....

OAH

[Csun213]

Hi OldAsiaHand, thanks for your response back. The problem is that they look at your passport so it doesn't matter where you fly in from. I have heard that they even check buses that comes into Chongqing. I plan on calling Chongqing travel agents just before I go there. I hope the SARS problem comes under control soon because this is a real pain for everyone.

[OldAsiaHand]

csun213,

I have checked the situation in Chongqing today with the travel agent and our Chongqing local distributor. It seems that there is no mandatory quarantine, only temperature checks when you get off the plane. If you are healthy, you will be OK.

Enjoy Shenzhen.....

OAH

[DayNight]

Originally posted by OldAsiaHand
Now DG is a completely different story.... . A bit pricey, (RMB238+500 tip for two hours)

My place in Tang Xia is 158+350 FS

Same thing, small hotel type room with Sauna/shower cabin. Spottless clean. Gals are clean too coz the shower 10 times a day.

[Travel to China]

OAH,

Thanks for the response.

How can I find this place "Tang Xia" FS?

[OldAsiaHand]

DayNight,

Thanks. Actually, I never tried to negotiate the tip in the Chanping MP. Was told by my friend the first time we went, 500RMB was the going rate, but he has been known to spoil the market sometimes by being too generous.

Tang Xia is still a bit of a hike from Shenzhen. Do you know of any similar MP in the city?

OAH

[Soulman]

I experienced an OK MP action in DG. Hotel was run down place called Holiday. I picked a cuti with hell of set of boobs; real gem in China for a really skinny girl. She was from Hubei. Now her massage skill was terrible. She had no clue. She put a rubber on and gave me bj alternating with hot tea in her mouth followed by ice water. Felt kind a funny. But her bj skills were pretty bad and she would stop after few seconds to spit onto a towel. Guess the rubber kind a tasted bad. :) Sex was mechanical at best. Well, we had 2 hours total in a private room so we watched tv rest of the time. Not sure about price as my pal picked up the tab.

[OldAsiaHand]

Originally posted by Travel to China
OAH,

Thanks for the response.

How can I find this place "Tang Xia" FS?

TC2,

Tang Xia is a town in DG between Shenzhen and Guangzhou. It's less than an hour by bus or car from Shenzhen.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

My weekly report from Shenzhen

Sorry, I'm a couple days late this week. Not much to report.

I was introduced to a new area by a fellow American friend in Shenzhen. Place is called the "Food Street", but not sure what it is called in Chinese. Any taxi driver should know how to find it. Full of restaurants/KTV places. There is a pool of freelance girls around that go from one restaurant to another offering services. All the restaurants have rooms upstairs FS ST was quoted at RMB300. I reckon if the girls were approached outside, you can negotiate a better deal if you have a place to take them. We also looked at one barbershop in the area. Individual rooms with massage beds, not tables. FS was quoted by the Lao Ban Yang for 200 RMB + 30 RMB for the hour.

Went hunting with a couple of HK buddies on Sunday. I ended up with a Chengdu 18 year old cutie. 7-8 on looks, 8-9 on service. Very sweet with a great smile. Did not even have to ask for the BBBJ. Asked me if I wanted one, went right into it, and waited for me to tell her I had enough. After trying several different positions, I was very well satisfied. Maybe a bit dark skinned for the Asian mongers' taste, but highly recommended. I still claim that Sichuan girls, overall, are the best, but I may be bias.

Finally hooked up with Johnnykon666 for a lunch tour of my hunting grounds yesterday. He will post the details.

Happy Hunting!

OAH

P.S. I have always been curious why most Asian mongers prefer fair skin. Any theories?

[Trotter717]

OAH, it's always good to see your reports and to know there is still some activity these days in southern China. The usual reason given for the Asians' preference for fair skin is that dark skin is indicative of a peasant's life, a life of working in the fields under the sun. While that may have been the origin of this preference, I think it's now simply a cultural concept... much like the American viewpoint that tanned skin indicates a healthy, outdoor lifestyle. It may not be true, but it's a pretty common notion.

Keep up the reports, especially as so many of us are unable to return to China these days.

[OldAsiaHand]

Soulman,

Surprised to hear you did not enjoy the "Fire & Ice" treatment. It can be quite a nice sensation with the proper technique. Try it bareback sometime, but be careful the tea is not too hot! Just ask for, "bin-huo" (ice-fire).

OAH

P.S. We have around 10 guys lined up for the convention, just waiting for you.....any firm date yet?

[DayNight]

I'm just back from TangXia. I gave the cheaper Jin Dao / Golden Island Hotel a miss this time and went for the Jin Wu / Golden Lake Hotel instead. Well, the price advantage of Jin Dao would be eroded with the taxi fare of RMB 20 anyway. Jin Wu it's a bit more upmarket, spottless clean, nice rooms with sauna and friendly staff.

My request this time was for a 'happy one', right, the opposite of dull.

They let me choose from 3 and I want for one from SzeChuan (as I later learnt). Spoke very good cantonese and some English too. Very good bare oral skills! Nice FS too.

170 + 400 for nice 2 hours.

No, I don't know any such places in SZ city. I never had 'it' in SZ. And I don't really like barber shop sex on sperm sticky mattresses and pityfull showers. I'm also a bit worry about personal security in SZ and would not go to a gals appartment. Why should I? I'm often eneugh in GD anyway.

[OldAsiaHand]

DayNight,

Thanks for sharing the Tang Xia hotel saunas. Pricing and tips sound reasonable for that type of service. I might just give one of them a try on my way back from GZ this week. Just wish it was also available in Shenzhen. I enjoy a real proper massage, followed by FS, but have been unable to find the right combination in the city.

I know where you are coming from about the barbershops, but if you come to some of my favorite spots, I'll make sure they clean the room and change the sheets for you first. Some of the accommodations can be better than others.

OAH

[Csun213]

Hi OldAsiaHand, can you tell me where "food street" is located? What is it called in Chinese and is it close to Sunshine Hotel? I would be interested in checking it out next time I am in Shenzhen. Always looking for new sources.

As far as why Asia guys want girls with white skin is because it is much more difficult to find a Chinese girl with fair skin vs darker skin. You know how it is, the more difficult to find something the more it is valued.

csun213

[OldAsiaHand]

csun213,

It is not near the Sunshine Hotel. There was a sign at the entrance, but I cannot read Chinese. It is in the Futian district. I am pretty sure it is on "Fu Min Lu", two or three blocks up from the Rainbow Supermarket - Fu Min Store (Tian Hong - Fu Min Dian) on the left hand side of the road. We walked from the store. Hope you can find it.

Happy Hunting!

OAH

[DayNight]

OldAsiaHand

I don't wanna argue here about the pro's and con's of barber shops. It's just not my idea of sexual relaxation. You duck, you go. The faster the better.

I tried a barbershop in ZhangMukTou a few month ago (had to wait for the train back to SZ). Very cute girl with perfect figure! Had some vaginal odor (maybe yeast infection combined with lack of hygiene). It was 200 or so for a 20 Minute duck. Did not felt comfortable, no private room, just a dorm type, also, no shower facilities.

OK, I admit, I'm spoilt now!

PS: both TangXia Hotels are passed by the minibus from SZ bus terminal (below the fake Lowu shopping center). Fare is 25 and takes about 45 Mins.

[OldAsiaHand]

DayNight:

Agreed. To each his own..... Most are as you described, but I have found a few little gems, mostly run by women. Private rooms in apartments out the back...some relatively clean. Even so, my standard operandi is to head for the sauna around the corner immediately after for a long hot shower, steam and relaxing massage.

Having said that, if I don't make it to Tang Xia on Friday coming back from GZ, do you want to go together one day? I'll drive if you know the way and dare get in the car with me behind the wheel. Maybe we can invite TangZhen to join us.

Drop me a line at oldasiahand2003@yahoo.com.

OAH

[Superforce99]

I've been just too busy, but finally, I have a couple of minutes to file this report:

Met OAH in Shenzhen to check out his hunting grounds. He's a nice and friendly guy who you could have a real good time playing golf, talking business, or the doing the hobby, ofcourse! I'm glad I got a chance to meet him.

After a quick bite, OAH gave me an extensive walking tour of all the barbershops in the Fuxing district of Shenzhen, around one of the infamous Wal-Marts in SZ. It was about 2pm at the time, so not as big a selection as at night, but I got a feel for the enormous number of barbershops in the area and how the 4-5 dozen girls we spotted at 2pm could easily mushroom to 20-30 dozen girls during prime time at night. There must have been at least 25-30 barbershops in the area of two square blocks, and I think we could have found more but OAH didn't have time. I like how OAH seems to be on a first-name basis with virtually every mamasan in every barbershop, too. It's like I was making the rounds with Al Capone as he collected his racketeering money!

Girls were decent, no special ones showed up, though OAH has seen/experienced some stunners in the area. We ended up at a place he tried a few days ago. I picked a really small, petit girl, maybe 4'11, 90 lbs. Face=6/7 and body=7.

Before I could even say goodbye to OAH, the girl was jogging down an alley to the fuck room in the nearby apt building. I caught up with her and went up to the third floor apt. It was decent, without the layer of dust/grime on everything that can sometimes greet you. The mattress was still wrapped in plastic and there was a thin cover sheet and two pillows. There was even A/C which was definately necessary on the hot and humid day. We took a shower together and her attitude was very bright and friendly. We gave each other a good washing but no action, but I didn't insist.

Laid on the bed and held each other for a while. Then she popped her head off my chest and said something in Chinese I didn't understand, but she took out a condom and opened the package. I asked her for BBBJ and she said something about many STDs and diseases so we should use the condom for shared good health, ha ha, it was so cute because she seemed so serious. Then suddenly she engulfed my penis with her mouth and proceeded to give me a decent, not great, BBBJ. Huh, I thought she just gave some health sermon? Anyway, I enjoyed the couple minutes of BBBJ then in one swift motion, she slipped on the condom and squatted onto my penis. Man, that was cat-quick!

She starts going hyper-robo style with her on top and I'm not sure if it's because she likes fast or she was trying to get it over with ASAP. My guess is the latter. I turned her over to missionary and opened her legs wide to prevent her from continuing robo-style and took it nice and slow. She continued to struggle, humping manically whenever she could get into a proper position and with me altering positions to prevent her robo-attack. It got to a point where, after about 5 positions/counter-positions, we were both kind of laughing at the whole "game." I stopped after about 15 minutes and told her if she really wanted to finish ASAP, to finish me with a BBBJTC, albiet jokingly because I've found it extrememly difficult in China to get pros to do BBBJTC after having done some FS beforehand; something about bringing germs from their vagina into their mouths. But upon hearing the suggestion, Ms. Robo leaps off of me, pulls off the condom and starts a hyper-robo BBBJ!

Then she starts coughing and gaging, I guess because of the spermicide/latex flavor, I'm not sure. She spat onto the floor and continues the BBBJ. I think that she probably would throw up if I finished in her mouth, so I tap Ms. Robo right before orgasm. For some reason, she stopped then took my penis out of her mouth and looked at it. Bad move! She proceeded to get a major facial, with a rope of semen splashing from about the bottom of her left eyelid to across her nose and across her lips. She gave out a medium-sized scream and started cursing me, but not too seriously. Ha ha ha!

We cleaned up, showered, and I paid her 150 RMB, which garnered a disappointed face the line of the day:
"OAH usually pays 300-400 RMB..." to which OAH got a mighty laugh when I told him later. Decent service, good price, and the first BBBJ-FS-BBBJTC I've gotten in China, excluding non-pros. Thanks to OAH and anyone who has time for the Shenzhen/Dongguan convention will definately have fun with OAH. Too bad I won't be able to make it.

Johnny

P.S. Regarding light skin, I've heard the same things about peasant/poor people have dark skin because they must be exposed to the sun while doing manual labor while white-skinned people have the money/luxury to avoid sunlight, so no Chinese person wants to be known as/seen with peasants. Also white is seen as pure and clean so you want some pure, clean pussy, right?

[ManonsanBoy]

Old Asia Hand

What is the scene like in GZ compared to SZ or Tangxia? Tangxia should be cheaper but is not. The new hotel at Tangxia at Xi Li has a nice and well run sauna but it starts at 300 before tips for FS etc.

[OldAsiaHand]

manonsanboy,

Hard for me to make a comparison since I have only limited personal experience in Tang Xia (DayNight has posted some reasonably priced sauna experiences lately). I am now only a frequent business visitor to GZ, although I did live there in the past. If you are looking for price comparisons between GZ and SZ, in my experience, it depends on the type:

KTV girls are about the same, maybe a bit more expensive in SZ, but the SZ quality is higher in my POV.

Barbershops are slightly cheaper in SZ.

Saunas (without FS) are much cheaper in SZ since the competition is fierce.

SW ask for more in GZ at first, but negotiated prices are very similar.

I have never tried freelance girls in GZ, but my friends tell me they are higher priced than SZ.

The above is a general rule of thumb, there will be exceptions. Overall, I think there is much more action in SZ, than GZ, but I have to admit, I do know the SZ market much better.

Happy Hunting.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

Originally posted by moody
If you guys ever get a chance, try to make it to Las Vegas at the Holiday Hotel. It's a KTV and it's pricey, but they have serious hotties over there. Overnight is 2000RMB, but well worth it if you don't mind laying out the dough. I was there about 8 nights out of 10 a couple of weeks ago.

Wandered into Las Vegas with some buddies last night to check out the talent. Some of the best quality I have seen in China! I was very tempted, but too pricey for me. Definitely recommended for mongers on an expense account.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

Johnny,

Thanks for the kind compliments. It was my pleasure to show you around. As we all know, relationship is a key in China in any business. Many of the mamasans call me with new arrivals since they know I like fresh stock sometimes, alert me to stay away when there are crackdowns, warn me about scams, etc. Having said that, most of the relationships have been built upon by my frequent visits, and cash investment. Obviously, it is a two way street.

OAH

[Soulman]

OAH and the Boys!

Hey WHO lifted the travel ban to HK and GD province today! :) Awesome!

So I'll be seeing you boys soon. I think mid to late June. Let's just hope that it doesn't flare up between now and then.

Now we can really plan the 3-some plus swapping... Hehehe :)

[Soulman]

Hey are you guys referring to the KTV in Holiday Inn in Nanshan? There are so many knock off name hotel in CHina that you gotta read between the spelling. Like Hiatt (awesome ktv in the Chang An branch), Holiday (one in DG was rather run down and can't be the the hotel you gents mentioned), etc.

I used to stay at Holiday Inn before Crowne Plaza opened; in fact ever since HI opened back in 2000. I've been to ktv there and selection was OK. I had a girlfriend (secretary at my host company) who live 5 mins from HI so I used to walk her home after nightly wild session (this northern girl was kinky and really horny - man I miss that ****) and I'd see girls leaving ktvs by themselves. Oh, if I spoke decent Mandarin then I suppose I could have bargained. :)

As for Tangxia, I've been there few times and stayed at Golden Lake. Been to few ktvs out there but not fancy ones I usually go to.

[OldAsiaHand]

Soulman,

Will you definitely be here by weekend of 27-29 June? I need to nail down a date and let the other guys know.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

Gentlemen,

Is it just me, or do you guys have similar experiences with Hubei girls? Had one yesterday who reluctantly gave me a terrible BBBJ in a rush; followed by dead log syndrome. Then, she would not let me out of the room until I gave her extra money. This seems to be a fairly common trait among Hubei girls I have been with. They ask for more and deliver less.

OAH

[TangZhen]

Originally posted by OldAsiaHand
common trait among Hubei girls I have been with. They ask for more and deliver less.
OAH
OAH:

I may not know much, but one thing I do know is Hubeinese. The reputation on all Hubeinese is that they are clever, tricky, and on the lookout for a quick buck. Dont like to work much but want to be boss. Locally they are called "jiu tou liao" or nine headed bird which for some reason is a reflection on being tricky.

[Gweilo]

Okay, very last minute, so I know I may not get answers in time, but I'm off to Shenzhen tomorrow for 2 nights. This will be my 2nd time there. Staying at the Shangri-La. Last time I did okay at the bar there, would like some tips on other places to go that are not too far away from there. Last time out I did not follow any touts or women on the street because I was feeling a bit too paranoid I guess - I know perhaps 5 words in Mandarin, a bit better at Cantonese for all the good it seems to do there.

Thanks

[Knobrm]

I am planning to go to Shenzhen next week; due to SARS haven't been there since February. How is the scene down there, is action back to normal or affected by SARS? Propably will stay in Panglin or Shangri-La.

[Soulman]

OAH and Boys,

OK, Let's shoot for 6/27 weekend. My trip may get delayed for all I know but but this dates looks very promising for me.

As for my experience with girls from Hubei, gee, I don't know as I only had contact with 1 girl from MP in Holiday Hotel in DG. She was really cute with BIG tits though. Terrible massage and mechanical sex. Looking back she didn;t try hard at all and we neded up using up 1 1/2 out of 2 hrs lying in bed watching tv. It seems like 3/4 of the girls I come across are wither from Hunan or Sichuan...

[Trotter717]

It's good to know I'm not the only one who has had bad experiences with HuBei girls over and over. It seems like the best ones always come from SiChuan or Hunan. HuBei girls are totally mechanical and lazy and the northeast girls, while definitely beautiful, have been believing too much of the hype. They think they can get by on looks alone and not worry about good service. Give me a HOT SiChuan girl any day!

[Pluto]

OAH and boys,

Can I join you boys on 6/26 outing? I dont know anyone of you and you dont know me either. But after reading all of your postings I feel like joining the fun party. I live in HK.

Please let me know anything a new 1st timer like me should be knowing.

Thanks!

[Pluto]

BTW,

I'm hongkngman@yahoo.com -

Thanks boys!

[Gweilo]

Originally posted by Knobrm
I am planning to go to Shenzhen next week; due to SARS haven't been there since February. How is the scene down there, is action back to normal or affected by SARS? Propably will stay in Panglin or Shangri-La. Have just arrived at the Shang. At check-in, they took my temperature, had me fill out a health declaration form, and handed me a packet of antiseptic wipes. Hope to have some report on the local activities shortly (well, hope to have some activities worth reporting on!).

[ManonsanBoy]

Old Asia Hand

I admit I like saunas the best. I am often tired after golf and if the girl washes me (shower together) and gives me a half decent massage, it is much easier to have good quality sex towards the end of 2 hours. If during the shower and massage, you show sensitivity and interest towards them, they usually become hot too. I usually err on the slightly generous tip for FS, say 400-500. I have never tried barbershops and places like that.

KTV is an easy way to blow a lot of money. I met a guy on the golf course and showed him a fault in the way he hits the ball, with immediate favourable results. He insisted on me joining him at the KTV at Xi Li in Tangxia. He had 21 girls giggling and guzzling beer and red wine (Chinese) and there were only 5 guys, including his driver. He booked 5 rooms upstairs. In short, at the end of the night, he paid over 20,000 and said to me that he hoped I enjoyed the evening!

[BlnkNameCruiser]

OAH,
Sorry for late notice. I am going to Nanjing Friday nite. Can you make it?
blanknamecruiser

[Knobrm]

gweilo do they check the girls' temperature as well? Any problems these days to get girls into hotels that were no problem earlier (if any gals to be found due to SARS)?

[OldAsiaHand]

Originally posted by blnknamecruiser
OAH,
Sorry for late notice. I am going to Nanjing Friday nite. Can you make it?
blanknamecruiser

Blankie,

In case you don't get my mail, I can't make it with you this time. Hope I can the next time you go. Have a good time!!!!!

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

Fellow Mongers:

Looks like the event is a go for 27-29 June. All of you guys that will join us, please send me an email at oldasiahand2003@yahoo.com. Kindly state your WSG name in your email so I know who you are. I will reply with a registration form to fill in and an agenda for the event in a couple of days.

Thanks.

OAH

[Gweilo]

Originally posted by Knobrm
gweilo do they check the girls' temperature as well? Any problems these days to get girls into hotels that were no problem earlier (if any gals to be found due to SARS)? Sadly I cannot tell you. My two nights here have been woefully unproductive.

Weds nite, Beans was dead dead dead. Lots of guys on the street offering women but still too nervous to follow them. At midnight my friend called and said I should head over to V Bar, but by the time I got there the place was emptied out.

Thurs nite met my same friend at V Bar. More busy (10 PM) but didn't seem to be many 'workers'. Watched some drunk white guy chase a chinese girl around while she screamed for help, the guy was carried out of there. Finally two girls come over but one is barely passable and the other is beastly.

So we hop in a taxi and head for Futian, following emails I saw here from OAH. The taxi driver tells us we should go to True Colors. Huge place with live band area, and disco area (with dj + back-up dancers). Lots of stunners here but no 'workers'. I think I was the only gweilo in the whole place, so lots of women checking me out, no trouble making eye contact and saying hi and we finally chose these two very nice looking ladies who were happy to drink and dance with us, but the deal could not be closed in one night. Mine wants me to come back on Sunday and take her out for the day, but don't think I will be able to get back here that soon. (No money changed hands, these were just 'nice' girls out for the evening.)

Back to Shangri-La at 2 AM after dropping the girls off at their home. Lots of pimps on the street offering the world but the hell with it ...

[OldAsiaHand]

Sorry guys, I have been up to my ears this week and unable to answer all your queries in a timely manner.....

gweilo/knobrm,

Send me an email and I will give you my mamasan's number in Lowu. She can speak English and has girls in nearby buildings for 200-300 RMB.

There is one area of barbershops in Lowu near the Panglin Hotel with FS at 150-200RMB. Cross the street and walk down the lane with outdoor restaurants about 100 meters, and turn left; all the lanes on the right hand side are full of barbershops.

Most of the saunas and massage places in Lowu do not offer any extra service, so make sure to ask first.

And there is always KTV if you want to pay for the best. Note my recent report on Las Vegas, top cabin, RMB1,000+ for ST. Also, Landmark Hotel in Lowu has some freelancers for RMB1000+, but have never seen very good quality there.

Hope this helps! Happy Hunting!

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

manonsanboy.

I also like saunas for the relaxation. Unfortunately, we cannot find any saunas in Shenzhen city where FS is available. If you do find something, please let us know.

My voice is dreadful and I am always anxious to get the girl to bed, so I do not enjoy KTV. For me, the romantic prelude is an expensive waste of time. To each his own.....

OAH

[Pluto]

Gentlemen,

Please can you tell me where and how to find Xichuan babes? Also - I dont speak a word of Chinese so how do I negotiate and make sure I wont be ripped off or mugged in a place like Shenzen?

OAH & other boys,
Can you please help me!!! I'd like to join the party! I can share all of my HK experience in return!

Thanks

EDITOR's NOTE: I took a few minutes to revise the capitalization and punctuation in this report. However, I would very much appreciate it if everyone could refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. I don't expect great writers here, but it's not difficult to use the CAPS key for names or to put a period at the end of sentences. Thanks!

[Rayman]

HK Man.

Been away from Shenzhen for quite a while but there are girls everywhere and at any time. As for Xichuan girls, try the main hotel near the train station, if they do not have any i guess no place will.

I knew a few in Guangzhou though, Hill bar and Africa bar were the main places.

[Erik]

Originally posted by HK Man
Gentlemen,

Please can you tell me where and how to find Xichuan babes? Also - I dont speak a word of Chinese so how do I negotiate and make sure I wont be ripped off or mugged in a place like Shenzen?

OAH & other boys,
Can you please help me!!! I'd like to join the party! I can share all of my HK experience in return!

Thanks

EDITOR's NOTE: I took a few minutes to revise the capitalization and punctuation in this report. However, I would very much appreciate it if everyone could refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. I don't expect great writers here, but it's not difficult to use the CAPS key for names or to put a period at the end of sentences. Thanks!

Even the chinese was wrong :
Sichuan, not Xichuan
Shenzhen, not Shenzen

[Pluto]

Gentlemen,

I must tell you that these days in HK, you can get a good sauna massage + FS from anywhere between HKD 700 to HKD 1500 depending on the location. It's only 700 in North Point, Jordan while it's 1200 in Wan Chai, TST (tst saunas only offer hj - i heard so). Some of the 141 girls offer good massage + hj or bj or FS from 300 - 600.

Keep it up boys!
Hope to catch up with you gentlemen soon!

Regards
HK Man

To Rayman - Pls can you tell me the name of 'the main hotel' in shenzhen ? Or is 'main hotel' the name?

[Jazman]

any information on the teh Shangri-La.

lasttime i was there jbean was not allowing any of the working girls inside. have they eased up?

[Soulman]

OAH and Boys,

My plans for fun times party with you boys on the weekend of 6/27 looks more promising! So unless SARS flares up big time and WHO clamps down, I'll see ya gents!

OAH,

So how many takers so far? How are ya doing recruting the girls? Hehehe :)

[OldAsiaHand]

Originally posted by Soulman
OAH and Boys,

My plans for fun times party with you boys on the weekend of 6/27 looks more promising! So unless SARS flares up big time and WHO clamps down, I'll see ya gents!

OAH,

So how many takers so far? How are ya doing recruting the girls? Hehehe :)

Soulman,

We have about 10 guys interested so far, but you know how plans can always change. I expect more firmed up as we get closer to the date. Drop me an email so I can keep in touch with the final details.

OAH

[Superforce99]

unfortunately, i came down with something
over the past few days. too much fun, i
guess. anyway, i'm not really entirely
sure it's an std, but since it's at the
base of my penis, i'll assume it is. looks
kind of like a raisin-sized pimple and feels
painful and swollen.

never had experience with clinics in china,
so got recommendation from oah (thanks!) to
go to shenzhen beijing university teaching
hospital. it's about 5 minutes from the
carrefour near the meiling water resorvoir.

got away from the wife, who hasn't noticed
anything wrong with my equipment yet, and
went to the hospital at about 11:45pm. only
then did i realize it was about 15 minutes
away from the ridiculously leisurely, drawn-
out lunchtimes of most chinese state workers.

here's how to do it super-speed style:

go to the registration window on the immediate
left when you enter the "out patient gate/main
entrance" to the hospital. pay the 8.5 rmb
check-up fee. they speak english (kind of)
which helps to speed things up. unless you
speak fluent chinese, just pretend you don't
speak any chinese at all. it helps.

next, 4th floor deals with stds. go to the
registration desk and pretend you don't
understand chinese. the nurses filled out
my card for me! and then they took me directly
to the only doctor that spoke any english
(which would be considered "super-survival"
english at best). the 4 or 5 women (everywhere
are women patients...) waiting in front
of me weren't very happy.

i showed the doc my cock and she diagnosed it
in 1 minute, wrote the prescription, and brought
me to the pay area and cut to the front of the
queue, which left about 5 other people annoyed.
i paid then another nurse was sent to escort me
to the second floor where i picked up my medicine
from the pharmacy.

took about 15 minutes from start to finish and
cost of the ointment and pills was about 85 rmb.

damn, who would have thought that i could get
faster, friendlier service in a chinese hospital
over an american hospital?

anyway, within this first day, the medicine has
been really effective and the swelling has gone
down and i'm sure it'll be gone within 3-4 days.
still could be a case of ingrown pubic hair in
my opinion, but probably not...

hope this helps those in shenzhen and needing
health clinic services.

johnny

[Lucky888]

Johnny:
Sorry to hear about your infection. Great story about your quick trip to the hospital, though....I did enjoy the rhyme of your comment "I showed the doc my cock and she diagnosed it in one minute." Normally if I read that sentence in this forum, I'd expect you had a heck of a role playing adventure. Sorry it wasn't so this time.
However, you didn't mention what infection you actually got. I hope you did find out...? Do tell us so we know what to expect if any of us should befall your fate.


OAH:
You wrote, "I expect more firmed up as we get closer to the date."
Yeah...I suppose many of the attendees will be getting firmed up as they get closer to their "dates" for the convention! LOL

[OldAsiaHand]

Johnny,

Glad to hear the hospital worked out and you are starting to feel better. I was worried about you when we spoke. Does this mean you are ready to go hunting with me again this week?

Lucky,

I hope you are one of the first to firm up in both cases. Please let me know ASAP if you will be able to make it back in time.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

Originally posted by jazman
any information on the teh Shangri-La.

lasttime i was there jbean was not allowing any of the working girls inside. have they eased up?

Jazman,

I was in there a couple of weeks ago and it was still pretty quiet.

OAH

[TangZhen]

Johnny:

To bad I did not know you needed help there. I have a lot of connections there. I typically dont make any registration or wait. I have home phone numbers of a number of doctors and can get pretty much anything setup there. Although my equipment is fine for me, I am good friends with the main plastic surgeon. Real nice guy. He does major business in Phaeloplasty (lengthing the tool). His english is very good as he used to live in Ohio. I know them from editing abstracts they send in for international publication.

Cheers,
Tangzhen

PS. You might have had a nasty fungus.

[Superforce99]

Tangzhen,

Thanks for the thought. I'll contact you the next next time I have some probable STDs, though hopefully, that will be never! I would enjoy meeting up with you sometime and searching for some fun times in SZ!

Also, do so many men in China have penis surgery? I a few general physiology and medical classes I in university and I was under the impression that more likely than not, penis surgery will not result in any significant lengthening of the penis though somewhat increased girth is possible. There were some funny reports last year or so where I read of Thai surgeons putting all sorts of things like chewing gum, newspaper, and plastic bits into patients penises in an effort to offer quick, cheap penis surgery. Ha, ha, customers were complaining that their penises were literally falling apart during sex!


OAH,

I know the gals love that money and would even close their eyes to the current sore on my penis, but I don't think it's a good idea to hunt for a couple of weeks. Damn, and I have another trip to Hong Kong next week as well as some free time in Shenzhen and Guangzhou the next few days. But then, in the whole scheme of things, I guess that how things always tend to work out. As soon as I'm in any condition to hunt, you'll know!

Johnny

[Pluto]

Johnny,

You're the best reporter of all. I always enjoy reading your elaborate yet concise reports. Very useful and fun reading!
Terribly sorry to hear about the problem you're having now.
Let me know whenever you come to HK next time, I'll take you to a karaoke in MK where you get to do all you can for 1 hr at 246 + 100 or 200 for tips. The selection may not be as great as in mainland but not bad for HK I suppose!
Let us all know how're you coping with the problem and by when you expect to get back on your feet hunting! :)

Take Care

HK Man,
p.s if you can then please recommend the girl of your choice - I mean, is sichuan girl the best or Beijing or Hainan etc!

[Soulman]

OAH and fellow Mongers!

Hey I'm coming to SZ on 6/27! Made the flight reservation! Man of man it has been stressful 3 months as I was in SZ 10 times last year and twice this year before and after CNY. What can I say, I miss my young slender cutis.

OAH,

Please send me your email address and let's exchange mobile phone numbers. I will stay in DG most of the time with weekends in Crowne Plaza.

See ya!

[Soulman]

Well, here's my story on catching the social disease:

I was in Seoul few years back in a *****house and took off rubber for final 69 action. I was so worked up that I did the girl doggy style too and got Gonorrhea. Ugly. The worst part was having to go to local county health STD clinic since I didn't dare to go see my HMO doctor. I waited in a room filled with Mexican immigrants (man some even brought their kids to STD clinic!) and feeling humiliated. Saw a doctor who also recommneded HIV. Hell why not since I 've been to Thailand few times too. Had to go back to STD clinic to get my HIV test results. Then I learned that gonorrhea can be cure by taking 1 tablet of Cipro which by the way my company nurse provided in a "medical"kit for fighting infection of intestines.

So go get some Cipro which also works on anthrax too. :)

[OldAsiaHand]

Gentlemen:

I know I have been negligent with my weekly reports, but not much exciting to report the last couple of weeks.

I have noticed that the SARS scare is pretty much gone in town and things have returned to normal. No more bargains to be had. On Thursday, I slid into one shop that had been offering 100RMB, BBBJTC, SARS specials, but the promotion price was over. Paid the standard 150RMB, but the service was excellent...slow and easy, licking up and down, sucking my balls, just how I like it.

Last weekend, I went hunting with a buddy for his first time on my turf. After a tour of around 25 shops, he decided on one very cute, 18 year old, from Hunan. He was afraid to be on his own so I took a girl from the same shop. Call me a fool, but I forgot to ask where she was from first....Hubei! I was in the back of the shop and she had my dick out playing with me trying to convince me to take her upstairs. It never ceases to amaze me how I can be influenced against my better judgement sometimes..... However, she was a strong 8 on looks and body. Tall, long legs, perfect figure, but the service was very mechanical....CBJ (absolutely refused BBJ) in a hurry. Only missionary style; refused to let me do her doggie style. Service was less than 5. Just goes further to prove my theory about Hubei girls and the best lookers are dead logs.

By the way, I found one barbershop with all Sichuan girls. It is near the WanJia on Fu Hua Lu on the same side of the street.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

Originally posted by Soulman

OAH,

Please send me your email address and let's exchange mobile phone numbers. I will stay in DG most of the time with weekends in Crowne Plaza.

See ya!

Soulman,

Please send me an email at oldasiahand2003@yahoo.com.

OAH

[Knobrm]

Made a quick trip to SZ last wk, arrived late and need to wake up early and leave in the afternoon next day so no extra time for hunting. Stayed in Panglin and had a chat with few pro's while sipping one beer in lobby bar. Ended up taking one cute after agreeing 600 for all night. Nice small girl with good boobs, said she was 22 and from Shanghai. Fairly mechanical act.

But worse part was that after one time she started to dress and sais it was 600 one time sayin she would call to security or his boss if wi would not pay. After some argumentation I kicked her out and paid just to get rid of her. Will never take pro girls from Panglin lobby any more.

I wonder could he really have caused me some trouble by calling somebody, or was it just a play; anybody have any experience?

Earlier I have always taken SW's or girls from apartments, never had major problems with agreements though.

[OldAsiaHand]

Knobrm,

I was wondering why I did not hear from you. I called my mamasan to tell her you might be calling.

I don't think the girl could have caused much trouble for you, but I still think you did the smart thing to pay her off just to be safe. On the other hand, you could have called security and they would probably have thrown her out. I might have given her less money though. Most of the SW in that area only get 200-400RMB for ST. When those things happen to me (and they do sometimes), I just chalk it up to bad luck.

OAH

[Soulman]

Knoborm,

Don't you just hate it when this kind a crap happens?

I had been cheated before. Girl would agree 800 rmb for all night only to want to take off after 1 quick session. Another one agree to swapping with my pal only to act like no way. Hell I went thru my Chinese pal and he said she was up for it. What's worse is the arguing BS. I noticed some girls get very aggresive when it come to collecting.

One time I had to call hotel security as ***** won't leave and claimed I owe her another 400 RMB since I went thru 2 rubbers or also called 2 shots. I kind a felt bad when they demand extra money but agreement is agreement. Fact is this girls don't get customers that often so if and when they get customer then they try to extract as much as they can...

As for cop story, here is what I heard from pals who stayed in Shanghai:

Couple of guys were offered nice massage and sex on the street from girls wearing uniform (legit massage). Well, brought them back and after massage demanded 1000 RMB! The guys said no way and they threanted to call local cops to arrest them for asking for sex service from licenced massage bitches! So these guys just gave in...

[Superforce99]

HK Man,

Thanks for the comments on my reports. I really try to make them fun and informative since I think that's what we all like to read, not "just the facts, mam." And luckly, I have to write quite often in my job so it's pretty natural and fast for me to type the way I do.

Give me an email and I'll contact you the next time I'm in HK. I definately want to try the "all you can do" buffet in Mong Kok since I really like shooting a couple of loads in 1-1.5 hours of action but have never found a reliable source, except non-pros.

OAH,

I apologize for my crappy phone!! For everyone out there, never buy a Motorola T-190, even there was a buy-1-get-1-free deal like me!

I guess you're also the only person who like to converse with me on my mobile phone. Seems like everyone else just sends messages or hangs up as soon as possible to save .8 or 1.6 RMB...

Give me a call when you get into Guangzhou. If you have time, I want to explore this new area with you I've been thinking about.




On the STD-front, whatever I had is pretty much gone, which is pretty fast, in my opinion. It looks like I nicked myself shaving and a quick glace by say, a pro, shouldn't arouse any suspicion. I think it was the combination of keeping it clean, taking the antibiotics, and it not being a too-serious STD. The funny thing was, all of a sudden, my wife gets into this "horny phase" these past couple of days! What kind of crazy timing is that?!

Ofcourse she felt the semi-bump, turned on the lights, and I was able to "explain it away" as a bad case of ingrown hair (!) since it's happened before on my leg. I do feel guilty because immediately after my totally-accepted explaination, she gave me the Best Blowjob Ever. Wow. It was a soft, wet 15-20 minutes and was fucking fucking great, with swallow, which she usually doesn't do. Hmmm, subliminal message that she knows about my "other fun" or that she's about to kill me "Fatal Attraction" style? I don't know, but she gave the ANOTHER Best Blowjob Ever yesterday night. I mean, it's great, but kind of weird at the same time. Also, I'm hoping I didn't give her anything STD-wise, though I'm 99% sure I didn't but if someone out there knows how/wants to fend off a woman desperate to give you a great blowjob, please keep it to yourself... ;)


Last thing is that I couldn't access this page for the last 2 days. Anyone else experiencing problems?

Johnny

P.S. Has anyone checked out the lady168.com website? There are some girls listed at 100 HKD which seems strange/suspicious/GREAT....

[Cavechu]

Originally posted by Johnnykon666
Last thing is that I couldn't access this page for the last 2 days. Anyone else experiencing problems?

Johnny

the wsgforum been down more often lately. I also was not able to access it the last few day.

[OldAsiaHand]

Johnny,

Company pays for my mobile as employee benefit. Sometimes I forget it also costs to receive sometimes. Sorry about that.

I may have some time Monday evening after 8:00PM. I will send you a message. Would love to go exploring new hunting grounds.

OAH

[Knobrm]

OAH I will contact your mamasan next time when in SZ (propably in early July), I will let you know beforehand so that you can inform her.
Now back to BJ where I live, was scrolling through places here last night after more than a month out. Many bigger places still closed, but smaller bars/clubs seems for the most part be open but not as many people as normal.

[TangZhen]

Originally posted by Johnnykon666
Tangzhen,

Thanks for the thought. I'll contact you the next next time I have some probable STDs, though hopefully, that will be never! I would enjoy meeting up with you sometime and searching for some fun times in SZ!

Also, do so many men in China have penis surgery?

Johnny

Johnny:

All I know is from editing abstracts, but yes there are 2 surgical methods. The main thing is to get the carposa an eslastic tissues to be longer. The western way is to pinch a bit of cartalidge from the ribs and 'append' it to the carposa to make it longer. The chinese way is to reposition the end (body side) to a different point.

I am no doctor though. Do not try this at home.

[RasSpewtin]

Is Shenzhen a Haven for Pickpockets?

In preparation for a trip to SZ later this week, I have been gaining pointers from several SZ natives on a local chat site. To my surprise, several of them have advised against going out at night by myself. Some have even advised against wandering around during the daytime.

The reason: They tell me that SZ is a hotbed for pick pockets. I guess there are lots of broke and out-of-work mainland Chinese that make it across the "border" into the SEZ, and being a "lao wai" I make a pretty obvious target. During my last visit, I noticed a gang loitering in front of the Window of the World, and my local guide explained that these were prime examples of what to look out for. Case in point.

Can some of you regulars here give me your opinions? Do you think that the warnings are justified, or are they overstated?

I plan to stay at the Crown Plaza...is it foolish to wander around outside this hotel's neighbourhood at night?

[Soulman]

Hey welcome to the board!

I'm a regular at Venice or Crowne Plaza. I used to walk around the hotel at night hoping to get noticed... :) Anyway, don't carry too much cash but use room safe. Go up toward Happy Valley and the street cuves and lead you to behind Walmart. You'll see nice pond and park area to your elft with bars (sorry not girlie type like in Shekou) and resturants (good Korean place). Right behind hotel in residential area has hair wash for only 18 RMB and haricut/wash for mere 25 RMB. Barber is a lady (unusual in China) but she is really good. There is a small dvd shop next to barbershop.

As for girls, you will see stream of girls going up the elevator after about 10 PM. There is usaully a guard who checks to make sure girl had a real customer (they're asked for room # and guest name). Real fun (at least before SARS in early March this year) is the BAR disco. Working girls (about 7 to 10) congregate near the double door facing the lovely pool. Going rate is 800 RMB for short time but can be as low as 400 RMB as night wears on. I tried 2 girls from North and were pleased with them.

I'll be there at 6/27 so glad to help you if you're still there! :)

[OldAsiaHand]

Originally posted by RasSpewtin
Is Shenzhen a Haven for Pickpockets?


RasSpewtin:

The answer to your question in YES, SZ is notorious for pickpockets, BUT, this does not mean it is not safe to wander around, day or night. I have never heard of any "lao wei" being mugged. I wander the streets of SZ all the time. I don't carry a wallet or passport around with me, just enough cash that I am willing to spend or lose. Obviously, I always keep alert. The other thing, I almost never do is to follow a SW to her place. As I have mentioned on this thread before, there are set-ups, especially working in pairs in LoWu. SZ is no different than any other big city in Asia. Just use your own common sense and you will be OK.

OAH

[RasSpewtin]

Thanks to Soulman and OAH for the helpful suggestions!

Soulman, I will be in SZ during the week of June 16, so I will not be able to hook up with you unless my stay is extended (known to happen).

You mentioned the directions to a Walmart store; is this the same Walmart where you go to meet Csun's mamasan (see earlier post from Csun)?

Will try to hook up with you guys sometime in SZ; the first round is on me!

[Csun213]

To RasSpewtin, yes there are pickpocket everywhere in China but in SZ more than other places. I protect myself by having valcor (spelling?)sewn inside my pocket so that it is closed so no one can open my pocket without opening the valcor first which takes some pressure. This way I will always know when someone is opening my pocket. If you bring the valcor yourself to China, you can have someone sew it in your pocket for about 5-10RMB. This way you can walk around and know that no one can open your pocket without you knowing or feeling it.

I would just lock my credit card and other important items in my hotel and walk around with just cash in my pocket. Hope this helps.

[Tangent]

Just adding to the others' posts about pickpockets. Within a half mile radius of the Luohu border crossing are where most pickpockets are. However, other all busy parts of SZ may have some from time to time.

Watch out for groups of 2-4 teenagers or people in their early twenties from Xinjiang province. They are easy to identify as they look like darker skinned caucasians. One time they were easy to identify because they were loitering around in the rain without an umbrella. I later realized that rain makes it easier, because when it rains, people are burdened/distracted by having to hold an umbrella.

They actually do not pick pants pockets but will pick pockets in purses, backpacks and fannypacks. They generally target women (logical, as women are more likely to have purses). I have personally stopped about 5 purse/backpack pocketings over a stetch of two years. One time was a lady who was carrying grocery bags as well as her purse. She was an obvious target because she had a cumbersome load. Another was an idiot who had his wallet in a wide open fannypack. Another time a lady was with friends and had her backpack on her outside shoulder and a backpack pocket halfway unzipped. ( IMO, it is actually fine to have a fanny pack with non-valuables in it, and still have your wallet in your backpocket, because potential pickpockets will be targeting your fannypack and not the back pocket of your pants.) Having seen some many attempted purse pocketings, its easy to realize that they only go after the easiest pickings. Therefore---don't make yourself an easy target. If you have something valuable in your backpack, have it buried deep inside the backpack.

I have even had my cell phone stolen from my office.

With that said, I feel physically safe, and do not fear having my wallet being picked from my pants. I think that thieves would more likely target HK Chinese rather than other foreigners, because they probably think the police will do a more through investigation of an incident involving a foreigner.

[DayNight]

You are usually a target when you are not fully mobile, means you can't run after them. And keep in mind - chinese people don't care at all - they just like to watch the show.

Some time ago when I was walking in SZ with heavy load in both hands I noticed a guy (right, from XinJiang) opening a zipper on my backpack. The second I noticed he run away. He didn't got anything.

I also had my purse snatched in Sanya - out of my short pocket. I was carrieng a big rucksack - again, inmobile. (But on that day I took out everythoing from the purse and there was only cash, no papers.

Now, coming close to the topic of the site: A few years back I visited a friend in GZ and we brought some streewalkers back to his place in the early morning hours - only after breakfast we noticed that they took his hair dryer from the bathroom.

[RasSpewtin]

Wow, I am really blown away by all the great info you guys have shared about the pick-pocket question. This is a great board! So thanks again to Soulman, OAH, Csun, Tangent, and Daynight.

Sorry for the delayed "thanks" to you guys, but I am still a Junior Member, so my posts are reviewed for 1 or 2 days before they show up on the board. I need to start posting some reviews so that I can get Senior Member status soon.

Csun:
I will be there next week, so you can probably expect a call from me regarding a meeting with your momasan friend. Is your cell number the same as the one you already gave me a while ago?

Thanks guys!
Raz

[Member #2400]

Hi OAH -

Can you describe again the locations in Futian for the service providers -

I tried to follow your last description but could not find it.

Thanks,

Dolevr

[OldAsiaHand]

I would also add that I have heard from reliable sources that the minibuses in SZ are rampant with pickpockets. It's a good idea to stick with taxis for transportation if you don't mind spending the money. FYI, taxi fares in SZ are the highest in China.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

Mongers Convention....June 27-29, 2003

Gentlemen:

I have received a lot of "maybe" and "I will try to make it" from many of you. With just two weeks to go, I need to make the final arrangements. Please confirm your participation, one way or the other, by email to oldasiahand2003@yahoo.com before June 18, 2003.

Thanks.

OAH

[Superforce99]

Originally posted by OldAsiaHand
FYI, taxi fares in SZ are the highest in China.

OAH


Yeah, it's crazy! Just getting in will set you back 12.50 RMB, which is almost what I spend for a round trip to and from a monger spot in GZ!

Johnny

P.S. Reading about all these Mongolian gals on the Beijing thread has me wondering if there are a lot of Mongols in SZ?

[Soulman]

OAH,

Sent you email confirming my attendance!

Thanks for organizing! :)

[OldAsiaHand]

Originally posted by RasSpewtin
Thanks to Soulman and OAH for the helpful suggestions!

Soulman, I will be in SZ during the week of June 16, so I will not be able to hook up with you unless my stay is extended (known to happen).

You mentioned the directions to a Walmart store; is this the same Walmart where you go to meet Csun's mamasan (see earlier post from Csun)?

Will try to hook up with you guys sometime in SZ; the first round is on me!

RasSpewtin,

Will take you up on the offer for the first round! Soulman is arriving a week earlier than planned, as well. Backchannel me at oldasiahand2003@yahoo.com so we can hook-up.

OAH

[Soulman]

RasSpewtin,

I think there are 3 Walmarts in SZ (Sam would be proud!). There is 1 in Shekou and 1 I refer to is near Crowne Plaza in Overseas Chinese Village and there is another 1 in Futian (?) or Lowu where Csun knows good places.

Please send me your email address and I'll send you my China mobile number.

Anyway, it sounds like you, me, OAH and others will get together for pre-convention rally of sort. :)

See ya in CR!

[OldAsiaHand]

I went hunting with Johnny yesterday afternoon. Met in LuoHu and went for a visit to my regular mamasan in the neighborhood. She has 8 of her own girls living in now. A couple were not bad, one Dongbei girl that Johnny had done before and a Shandong cutie that I would have done. They were in the middle of eating dinner so we took a pass. I will go back for the Shandong girl and file a report.

We checked out the area near the Panglin Hotel. This area has not come back to life after SARS and the major sewer renovation which I mentioned in an earlier post. Only a few shops were open for business and the quality left a lot to be desired. The sewer project looked to be in the final stages, but this area is still not recommended. I will keep you all posted of developments. We did see some Russian girls walking around the area, but were not sure what the deal was. They did not look too friendly, but did spur my interest in getting some different nationalities very soon. May have to hit Macau!

Off to my usual hunting grounds in Futian. It was raining so we did not visit too many shops. We sat down in one shop and had a closer look at the talent. Johnny took the one with the biggest tits and was on his way to the room. I decided on one Xian girl and followed shortly thereafter. I suggested to Johnny that we swap the girls, but I am not sure if he heard me. He was already behind close doors going at it.

After giving me a nice shower, my girl started with a reasonably good BBBJ, although she could not do it for long. Covered penetration in various positions. I wanted some more BBBJ, but she only had one condom. Back into the shower for a BBBJTC. She sensed I was going to cum and pulled it out just in time to get a massive facial and pearl necklace. On my scale, looks were 7, service was 6.

Unfortunately, Johnny was not too happy with his service either. I am convinced that if you want the best service, stick with Sichuan girls. I had one for a quickie on Friday evening after work. 90% of the time, I am satisfied with service from Sichuan girls. They seem to like it more and put more effort in. Just my POV....

OAH

[Tangent]

Just another thing regarding thievery in Shenzhen--

Because Spring festival is, like Christmas in the West, a financially stressful period of time, generally thievery picks up in the month or two before Spring Festival. Immigrants want money to bring back to their hometown to show that their stint in SZ was successful, so they'll do what they can to get the money.

[RasSpewtin]

Soulman:

I am game for the pre-monger huddle.

Jackson doesn't want regular members such as myself to post email addresses for "back-channeling", but I did send my email addy to OAH.

Appreciate the offer of your cell number, and BTW, my addy is still in a previous post (noticed that Jackson left it there, it was before his clamp-down).

Meanwhile, OAH will be contacting me to make good on getting the first round. It's so f*cking hot here right now, i expect that it will go down pretty quick!

[Gaolei]

I am going to Zhuhai tomorrow and staying at the Holiday inn. Was this a good choice? Any suggestions? I will be working there, it is not a vacation, but that won't stop my hobby!

Pardon me for not posting in the other section, but it is dead.

[Moody]

Originally posted by Soulman
Hey are you guys referring to the KTV in Holiday Inn in Nanshan? There are so many knock off name hotel in CHina that you gotta read between the spelling. Like Hiatt (awesome ktv in the Chang An branch), Holiday (one in DG was rather run down and can't be the the hotel you gents mentioned), etc.

I used to stay at Holiday Inn before Crowne Plaza opened; in fact ever since HI opened back in 2000. I've been to ktv there and selection was OK. I had a girlfriend (secretary at my host company) who live 5 mins from HI so I used to walk her home after nightly wild session (this northern girl was kinky and really horny - man I miss that ****) and I'd see girls leaving ktvs by themselves. Oh, if I spoke decent Mandarin then I suppose I could have bargained. :)

As for Tangxia, I've been there few times and stayed at Golden Lake. Been to few ktvs out there but not fancy ones I usually go to.

The actual name is the "Grand Holiday Hotel." It's near where they're building the new convention center. The KTV is on the 4th floor so you take three flights of escalators. Like I said, it's pretty expensive, but they have some of the best talent I've seen in Shenzhen.

[Jazziton]

Hi fellas,

Made a quick and unplanned sidetrip to Shenzhen on Sunday from Hong Kong.

Checked out the action near Lowu and had a ST with a girl from the selection offered in some apartments. This time I tried Csuns mamasan and she meet me in front of Shangri La and took me to the apartment which was located two buildings from the hotel (convenient for those who is stayin there or nearby). She brought me a number of girls, the selection was ok and I finaly settled on a busty girl from Shi Chuan.

Look 7/10, Body, 8/10 and sex 7/10. BBBJ (after negotiation from the mama with the girl), technique OK, but did not like when the girls has a glass of water and do not utilise it the correct way. Well, I mean, if she's got water she should play "ice fire" with my little brother and not use it to flush her mout every now and then. If she did not liked it, she could have said no from the beginning and I would have choosen another girl. As wth the sex, she was cooperative and it was not rushed, so I was overall satisfied.

But when it comes to the price, I did not discussed and paid the recommended "fare" advised by Csun (also by respect and to give him face, after all, it was he's recommendation). I later found some lower prices quoted in the streets but did not follow those people to their apartments (well, first of all, lack of time, secondly, have heard of ripp offs). Anyway, went for a nice "veggie" massage afterwards, only one hour, which was too short . But needed to cross the border to head back to Hong Kong. Before heading to the check point, I managed to explore a little of the Lo Huo village where there is literaly filled with barbershops. I was tempted to "wash my head" and try the services, but resisted due to, again, lack of time. I was quoted RMB 50 for "tai fei" and additional RMB 150 for FS, which seem to be the usual going rate that applies, but feelt that this could be further negoitated. I will check out this area next time I am there, but do any brothers have any more info about the going rate and services offered in the Lo Huo area? Anyone know of a good BJ place near the Shangri La Hotel?

P.S. I guess if I had come earlier, I would have the chance to meet you OAH and Johhny. Maybe next time.

[OldAsiaHand]

Just like a kid in a candy store.......

Bingo!!!! Thanks to Johnny's excellent hunting skills and recommendation, I visited another area of barbershops behind the JUSCO store in CITIC Plaza on Shennan Dong Lu last night. Must have been 30-40 shops along the small lanes in the back. Same deal as most similar establishments in SZ....150RMB ST including the room upstairs in the apartments. Overall, quality of the girls I saw was equal to or better than other areas in SZ. A wide variety from different parts of China. I found two shops with exclusively Sichuan girls. However, the area itself looked a bit risky. To be safe, I don't suggest you go there alone too late at night, and stay vigilante in the area.

OAH

[Superforce99]

it's been getting busier and busier for me in terms of work and fending off the mrs. so my experiences have been getting more unpredictable and not as often as i would like, but that's how it goes...

it was good meeting up with oah a couple of days ago. ha ha, he was dressed like he was going to go fishing or to the beach, perfect for mongering! unfortunately, i was lugging a couple of bags around since i just got off the train station. we went to one of his mamasans in lowu area and she seems to be in expansion mode, with about 8-9 girls and two apartments now. the girls were eating dinner and i can't really stomach the thought of pulling them away from their dinner to feed them my cock... ;) it's kind of funny, too, since i've never been talking to a mamasan or girls when they were having dinner. it's just like a big family style dinner, but i don't know what else i was expecting, maybe that they didn't ever eat. kinda like my friend once (seriously) proclaimed, "good looking girls don't fart. they just don't." it was nice that one harbin girl i had before recognized me and smiled and tugged at my leg and offered to share her rice bowl, ha ha, it was cute. more on her later...

oah and i then went over to the famous panglian hotel area. unfortunately, the area was pretty empty in terms of barbershops. there was still some construction, but i think there are some other reasons. i never really got to check out this area at it's "zenith", but oah assured me that the pickings were deep and plentiful. maybe about 8-10 shops left now and oah said there used to be 30-40 shops easy. we did see a trio of hot russian chicks, and one real stunner; about 20-22, tall, slim, and medium length dark dirty blond hair. oah was about to follow her but decided otherwise, ha ha...

finally, went over to oah's home turf of futian and looked over about half the barbershops since it was kind of raining. we walked into the shop and before oah could choose a cute, poofy-haired girl, some chinese just walks in-chooses her-and leaves in about 5 seconds! ha ha, you gotta be quicker on the draw oah! i ended up choosing some decent looking girl with nice breasts and oah choose a tall, slim girl who looked good. we ended up in the same apartment and while i was in the shower with my girl, i couldn't hear his suggestion that we swap girls, otherwise i would have! the shower was nothing special and we get back to bed.

all sorts of bullshit about cbj and no bbbj. i could tell that my threat to leave could have worked, but i just wanted to get it over with. i let her do about 1-2 minutes of just-ok cbj and then took her missionary style. she was moaning way too much and didn't want me to kiss her body or touch her breasts and just giving me a bullshit attitude in general so i finished as quickly as i could and didn't even shower and just dressed and left. overall:
face-7/10
body-8/10 (great breasts but no touching or kissing anything)
service-3/10

after reading oah's report, i would have been happy with what he got from his girl! i don't know what he's complaining about!

last weekend, i happened to find a new mongering area while out showing my friend shenzhen's nightlife. he's not into mongering, so it was one nightclub to another with lots of walking in between. somehow, we ended up walking along these two parallel back-alley streets behind the citic shopping center where i spied about 40-50 barber shops! whenever there are that many so close together, you know something more than haircutting is going on!

to get there, go to the back entrance of citic. you should see the kosmo coffee. now walk down the street towards the dong men shopping area and then make a right when the main street is coming to an end. at the end of this short street, make a left. sorry the directions are so vague, but i felt like columbus discovering the new world, so i was paying more attention to what instead of where. oah and i were supposed to explore it but my wife monkey-wrenched the whole thing at the last minute. damn, i guess being a recently-married couple makes the chances hard to come by! oah and i are planning to go there tomorrow night and we'll report better directions afterward.

lastly, i scheduled myself these past two days to have about 1.5 hours free in the afternoons for "special lunches." i used oah's lowu mamasan both times. first time was the harbin girl i mentioned earlier. she was really happy to see me and just dropped all her melon seeds and miraculously took her attention away from the tv when i said i wanted to have her. now is that love or what?? ha ha, anyway, the mamasan was all beaming and bullshitting about "she is great service, right! great service, i know!" but i had to burst her bubble and say flatly, "no, not really. it's just that she is cute and she seems to like me, but her service is actually nothing special. i would not recommend her to another person looking for good service." that quickly shut the mamasan up but she translated it to ms. harbin who quickly became beet red with embarassment since there were three other girls in the room. whoops. she playfully cussed me out for my comments then we went to the bedroom. she was already smiling and kind of giggling which is always a good sign! her face is a nice oval shap with long black hair past her the middle of her back and she has a petite body, about 5'3 100 lbs, but some great breasts and everything is just nice and firm from youth. a bratty-but-cute smile makes everything just delicious for the eyes...
anyway, i was tired and just wanted someone to have a good time, even if it wasn't me, so i gave her one hell of a shower/massage and she was all woozy and smiling when we got back to the bedroom. we laid down in each other's arms for a while and then she kissed me all over the body, but did a cbj. shit, i was tired trying to force the subject of bbbj so i just let it go. then i flipped her around (gotta love these petite gals!) and kissed her everywhere, concentrating on her gorgeous breasts. she was really turned on, with stiff little nipples and her pussy was pretty wet. i was going kind of nuts, so i even did a half-session of daty (didn't put my tongue inside) and she just about fainted. then we went through a couple of positions before resting a few minutes and then going through a few positions more and then i finished missionary style with her really holding me and kissing me on my ears and cheeks and lips. it was the most gfe i've ever had, almost better than a real gfe! both of us then slept (!) for a few minutes before waking up and taking a shower. i tipped her 50 rmb and when we went back to the living room, she started saying something(s) about me to the other girls. good, i hope. anyway, paid 150 rmb to the mamasan and normally, she charges 200rmb but i know that's a rip-off and she does too, so she didn't push for the extra 50, especially when i said i would be coming back the next day.
overall:
face:7.5-8/10
body:8/10
service:7/10, nothing particularly special but really gets into the act which is nice for a gfe

today, went to mamasan at about 4:00. there were about 9 girls but didn't see ms. harbin nor the girl oah had his eye on. asked the mamasan for a recommendation (bad policy with this particular mamasan) and she picked out a real plain girl. i was hoping the plain looks would translate to super-service, but, alas, no. went to the bedroom and undressed and she doesn't really have a good body. it's young and soft with some baby fat in the stomach and hips, but otherwise, she looks like a normal late-teens/early 20s girl body. we took a shower and she just kind of shyly looked at me while i washed her and then myself. no action or even hint of action in the shower and then we dry off and lay on the bed. after lying down for a while, she gives me the lamest nipple sucking ever! it's like a blind kitten that isn't sure if there's any milk or not! real soft and kind of just using the lips to nibble. i try to push her head down to my cock but she pulls out the condom. i said, no condom and she starts saying something about "every guy uses a condom, it's the same thing anyway..." blah blah. i was tired of this shit so i just got up and started dressing. she instantly became alarmed, ofcourse, and then said she misunderstood me. ha, ha, i laid back down and she gives me more lame-ass nipple sucking before a super half-assed bbbj. it's the kind where a girl puts just her lips around your cock and no teeth, tongue, or suction happens. like trying that reverse-smoking trick and trying not to get burned. fuck! so i let her fuck around for a few minutes doing this bullshit bbbj then i put on a terrible chinese condom and start drilling her. damn, that shit is unlubricated and she must have the tightest pussy in the world plus she seems uncomfortable making her pussy go from the diameter of a lychee to the diameter of a grape. i just used siliva and managed to finally finish missionary. we took a shower and then i left. no tip and i was really close to paying mamasan 150 rmb, but i ended up paying 200 rmb. overall:
face: 5/10
body:5/10
service: 3/10

i long for the days of hk with no-hassle bbbj and a sex scene so conveinently set up that i'd be broke in a month. but then again, you can't beat shenzhen for price and variety...let's see what happens in that new citic area. hopefully, not so much a mixed bag as this!


johnny

[ManonsanBoy]

gaoli

Holiday Inn is 5 star but very girl friendly. If you do not have luck on the street, you can always try their sauna. It is very good. HJ included in the price but I am sure FS is available. It is likely to be much more expensive compared to outside.

[ABCinLA]

To Old Asia Hand.

I am going to SZ in early July. Where exactly is the "Candy Store" from the railway station? Is it near Century Plaza?

EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions for capitalization and punctuation. To avoid future delays, please refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. Thanks!

[OldAsiaHand]

Johnny and I went back to the JUSCO area yesterday. It was only 4:00pm so it was a bit less active than the last time which was after 8:00pm. In the daylight, it looked much safer than my previous impression.

We found one place on the second floor which was self-contained vs. using apartments elsewhere. The massage rooms were clean, air-conditioned, fairly large and had double-size massage beds. My room had a TV. They even put down clean sheets and pillowcases for us. Such a treat in this price range. The place is easy to find since it is the only one we saw on the second floor. It was close to a corner and they had one promo girl at the bottom of the stairs.

I think they had about 10 girls, but it was still day shift. Johnny went for Sichuan and I went for Guizhou. I was very satisfied with the whole experience. Excellent BBBJ (always a must for me), and everything else I could handle. Even got a reasonable massage afterwards, but I had to cut it short to get back to work. 7/10 face & body, 8/10 service.

We had a bit of a issue about the money afterwards, but ended up paying 200RMB, including the 2 hour minimum house fee of 50RMB if you take the FS route. I got a kick out of how the girl described it by saying. "50RMB (two hours) if she covers the small window with the towel".

Anyway, I would recommend you guys give this place a try, but agree on what you are willing to pay upfront. I reckon for another 50RMB, we could have avoided any hassle, but we wanted to see how it played out and insisted on what was agreed.

OAH

[Csun213]

Hi OldAsiaHand, Rtpman and I were just wondering where the JUSCO area is located. Where is it with respect to Sunshine Hotel? I know of a group of shops that is directly across the street from the Sunshine hotel located on the left side in a small alley but not sure where the JUSCO area is?

[OldAsiaHand]

Originally posted by csun213
Hi OldAsiaHand, Rtpman and I were just wondering where the JUSCO area is located. Where is it with respect to Sunshine Hotel? I know of a group of shops that is directly across the street from the Sunshine hotel located on the left side in a small alley but not sure where the JUSCO area is?

csun213,

I think the area you are referring to near the Sunshine is the same as what I refer to as the Panglin Hotel area. The JUSCO area (not near Sunshine) is directly behind the new JUSCO store (about one year) in CITIC Plaza on Shennan (Dong; Not sure if this stretch is Dong yet) Lu. It is the only JUSCO in SZ. Just get a taxi to drop you off at the big shopping center and go around the back. Cross the street and go down any of the small alleys and you will start to see the shops.

OAH

P.S. Sorry we did not manage to hook-up when you came through SZ last time. Any good reports? How about Chongqing?

[OldAsiaHand]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by abcinla
[i]To Old Asia Hand.

I am going to SZ in early July. Where exactly is the "Candy Store" from the railway station? Is it near Century Plaza?

abcinla,

Please see my reply to csun213 for details. You will have to take a taxi from Century Plaza, as well.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

Jazziton,

Your post took a few days to turn up on the thread. I wonder if Jackson was holding it up for some reason.

Anyway, sorry we missed you last Sunday. As you know from my posts, I do not frequent Luo Hu as often as I do Futian. Mostly, I just use one mamasan with mixed results. If you want her number, just let me know. Prices we pay are around 200RMB, although Johnny slipped her 150RMB once this week since he was not that happy with the service. I am not sure about csun213, but I don't mind if Johnny loses my face...lol She is a real hustler anyway, always trying to get the last buck, but she does have some reasonable talent from time to time. I wonder if she is from Hubei. I am not sure if I ever asked her.

My experience with the barbershops near the Shangri-La hotel has been hit or miss with FS. I think that they actually call the girls in from outside to provide this and take a piece of the action. 150-200RMB seems right, house fee included.

Hope we can hook up on your next visit.

OAH

[Csun213]

Hi OldAsiaHand, a few of us went to Chengdu and Chongqing in March. Chengdu was dead in the city however if you go outside of the city which is about 30 minutes away, there are a lot of action. However we decided to go to Chongqing instead. Chongqing is full of pretty girls at a cheap rate. We were only being charged 200rmb for short time which I am sure we were overcharged but we didn't care because the girls were very pretty. We will be going to Chongqing again and this time we will be staying there for a while. I will post a report (or Rtpman will) and let you know about the action there.

[Wantoknow]

Hi csun213, I would appreciate very much if you would share info. on girl-friendly hotels and the area where the girls can be picked up for P4P. I am planning for a trip to Chongqing in October. I will be in HK first from the U.S. Do you suggest to book flights and hotels with a travel agency while in HK?

I am a Chinese American and speak Chinese. I have been mongering in Guangzhou, Dongguan, HK and Macau many times during the past three years. I don't have any problems getting around in China, but I want to be safe as it is my No1 priority.

[Csun213]

Hi Wantoknow, we have been staying in a 3 star hotel in Chongqing and had no problems with bring girls up to our room. You can get a VIP room with an in-room safe and a large bed for 278rmb while the regular room is 258rmb. I think for an extra 20rmb is worth the price just for the room safe alone. I will be posting a report on what I find in Chongqing later. There are girls everywhere. Since you speak Chinese, just ask any Taxi driver and they will take you there. The price for bring girls back to your room is about 150rmb. Make sure that you get BBBJ for that price.

[Superforce99]

I've been getting lots of chances to
do special lunchtime "treats" this
week, and maybe that's not good, since
the daytime quality seems to be kind of
different than at night, but maybe
that's just my skewed perspective...?

I got away yesterday for a treat
yesterday, but unfortunately, OAH
couldn't join me. It was about 3:30pm
when I explored the Jusco area that
OAH and I have mentioned. Again, it's
behind the CITIC plaza (Zhong Xin
Guang Chang in Chinese) and come out
the back entrance (look for a Kosmo
coffee shop) then head down the street
eastward (towards the train station).
All of the alleyways hold barbershop
easter eggs for you to find...
The selection wasn't so good, maybe
because I was early? Anyway, not as
good as the afternoon that OAH and
I went. I decided to go back to OAH's
mamasan near Lo Wu.

First of all, she was in a taxi coming
back from buying a new mobile phone
so I had to wait about 15 minutes at
the McDonalds for her and right when I
was about to leave she literally jumps
out of a slowing taxi and screams at
me, "Hello! Hello! I am here!" Shit,
talk about embarassing!! For me!!

Anyway, I talked her down to 150 RMB
for making me wait so long, ha ha, but
I wouldn't be laughing for long....
I heard that she had gotten a second
apartment with more girls since business
was good but the new apartment won't be
painted and furnished till next month!
Well, back to the good ole reliable 16th
floor apt of hers...
Limited selection of about 4 girls and
I ask her for a recommendation. (I know,
I know, I'm a moron, but for some reason,
I waiting for that "homerun" recommendation
from her...) She tells me this tiny, tiny
girl is great and I counter that she
better be or I'll never come back after
multiple bad experiences.

She must have been about 4'10", 85 lbs,
but with a nice pair of large-ish breasts with
large soft nipples. (about the size of large
oranges?
After a quick pep talk with the mamasan, the
girl and I strip and go into the shower.
She's pretty enthusiastic about everything,
but the bubbly attitude just felt very fake.
No action in the shower but very eager to
help me wash. Back in bed, she just snuggles
up to me and I waited for her to start on
the good stuff...and waited...and waited.
Finally, after about 10 minutes, I said I
liked snuggling but suck my cock already!
She kind of laughed and tried to do a cbj
with me refusing. I said bbbj or I can get
another girl. No really strongly, but matter-
of-fact. She got the picture but performed
a weak-ass bbbj. Almost as if some large
parasite was stuck on my cock; no real
movement, just a calm vaccum in her mouth
with the occasional lick...ha ha the very
definition of lame bbbj...

I was almost resigned to a bad experience,
but I tried, in a futile effort, to turn things
around. I stopped the useless bbbj and tried
to caress and kiss her body, but she kind
of pushed me away because she was too sensitive.
Her breathe also strongly smelled of cigarettes.
(what the hell? smokers are supposed to give
the BEST bbbj! or that's been my experience...)
So, I just put on the condom, a strange
Chinese brand with the raised dots ("for her
pleasure" I guess...). But the resoirvoir tip
was oddly shaped and when I pushed inside of her,
the head of my cock got squeezed into the shape
of the resoirvoir tip (imagaine a condom-shaped
cock). Ha ha, I laugh now, but it hurt, like
someone pinching the head of my cock. I tried
to push a few more times, but not comfortable.
Her super-tight pussy didn't help either, but
she's 4'10" so I expected a tight pussy.

Anyway, I ended this fiasco by having her give
me a hj and gave her a messy splash of cum
on her breasts and stomach which she was not
happy about. Dressed then quickly left and
told mamasan that I'm not sure if I will ever
see her again...but I know I'll go back for that
Harbin girl (see earlier post) every once in a
while for a nice semi-GFE.

Overall, I'd rate Ms. Half-Pint:
face-6/10
body-7/10
service-3/10

OAH, as you probably guessed by now, the Mrs.
was RIGHT NEXT TO ME during our phone conversation
a couple of days ago, which is why I sounded kind of
strange and so I couldn't give you the above details!

Hope everyone else reading continues hunting,
having fun, and, ofcourse, reporting!

Johnny

[OldAsiaHand]

Johnny,

Another bad experience with my mamasan? I am beginning to lose my face.....lol. I used to take the same Anhui girl at her place every time, but as we were told, that one has gone home. The only other I tried was a threesome with one of her own girls and one younger girl from another apartment she called. After 10-15 minutes, the other girl was so useless I let her go. Afterwards, mamasan's girl performed fairly well on her own.

OAH

[TangZhen]

I went over to check out the area behind CITIC Center (Jusco place) and IMHO there are certainly a quite a number of places, but the quality is not that great. I was pressed for time (always bad when hunting), and settled on a place that looked reasonable for hair care (I had been traveling and badly needed a hairwash) and sex. It was not good for either. On going upstairs I let them know I wanted massage and hairwash, they assigned me a not very attractive woman, so I was not so optimistic and just settled for the clean type massage, which was not bad. The hair style at the end was about what I could do by myself.

The area has about 25 barbershops but only about 20 would offer sex. But down side is that they are spread out and pretty rundown. I did not see much in the way of talent that was exciting even though I was pretty 'in the mood'.

I think the area just east of LoWu bus station has more of the feel of the candy store as the shops are located closer together. I have not tried the talent there, just cruised it, so it might not be that great either.

An interesting note is that there is a J.B. Sex Toy shop in both areas. Theoretically it would seem that any area near such a shop would be good for hunting. Someone should ask them where all their locations are in SZ. We need to test this theory.

[Superforce99]

Finally, I'm able to log onto this site! I was beginning to think the might PRC was able to block it...many thanks to Jackson! By the way, how is this site supported? I don't see any ads (which is GREAT!) so I assume it's by donation? How would I or someone else open their wallets?

Tangen,

I was wondering if you ever get a very thorough medical check-up in SZ or GZ and how I would go about doing that? I feel that if I tried in a local hospital, they'd look at my eyes, see my tongue, then give me an "OK" thumbs up or something useless like that.
I guess I'm getting paranoid after reading some of the crazy messages about STDs on the Thailand thread. Hope I can get your thoughts.

Johnny

P.S. What time of day did you go check out the CITIC area? Also, have you checked out the Lowu area recently? It seems to have reduced in size and quantity of girls recently.

[TangZhen]

Originally posted by Johnnykon666
I was wondering if you ever get a very thorough medical check-up in SZ or GZ and how I would go about doing that?

For a medical checkup I would go to Beijing University Shenzhen Hospital (Zhong Xin Yi Yuen as it is known) and go make an appointment on the 5th floor I think it is. They can run any test you want. The checkup is likely pretty cheap, (I have never done it, though I should) but in general the extra tests are about 2/3 or western rates, maybe a bit less. They use foreign test equipment that is pretty expensive stuff, but accuracy is good.

[Superforce99]

Tangzhen,

Yes, I know where that hospital is; it's the one I went to last time when I had that "problem" I detailed on the board.

Anyway, I guess I should have been more specific as to my question: I don't think I would have a problem in asking doctors to check out a "problem" if it develops, but I'm wondering how I would go about asking for a very complete, very thorough checkup for STDs in general even though I don't think I have anything right now.
I don't think I can really explain that in Chinese and it would probably be hilarious, but I have no idea how I could act it out through pantomime either!

Hope you can help, or maybe we can both get "scanned" at the same time?

From,

Johnny

[Rayman]

One would have to be specific on the tests. AIDS, Hepatatis A, B or C, or VD. The Aids test is quite expensive.

Amoxicillin can clear up most common forms of VD and can be purchased from any local store. (Pronuciation is almost the same (A-mo-si-xi-lin)

No first hand knowledge honest!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TangZhen]

Johnny:

As this is off topic, you can write me at Tangzhen@lycos.com I can set you up with some doctors who speak english well and used to live and practice in Ohio.

TZ

[Wantoknow]

csun213, thanks for the info. I am waiting anxiously for your FR on Chongqing. May be you should start a new link under Chongqing.

[OldAsiaHand]

Originally posted by csun213
Hi OldAsiaHand, a few of us went to Chengdu and Chongqing in March.

csun213,

I thought you were coming through SZ to Chongqing last month. Did you not make it after all?

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

Originally posted by Rayman

Amoxicillin can clear up most common forms of VD and can be purchased from any local store. (Pronuciation is almost the same (A-mo-si-xi-lin)


I would try Zithromax first since it is a one dose treatment for many strains of STD. Having said that, it is probably better to get tested and find out exactly what you have so you can be treated correctly. Unfortunately, I have first hand experience..., but it has been a few years ago. Always covered penetration since 1988.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

TZ,

I suggest that we go hunting together. I would like to understand your scale of expectation better. For 150RMB, I do not expect 9-10, but did see a few 6-8 on my scale in the JUSCO area on the two occasions I was there. Nor, do I expect "5 star" hotel accomodations, just a reasonably clean room and shower. It would be fun to go and compare notes. When are you available? I'm sure we can also twist Johnny's arm to join us. It will not take much pressure!


OAH

[Csun213]

Hi OldAsiaHand, the trip got delayed to about Oct. Will contact you when I get to Shenzhen.

[TangZhen]

OAH
I agree you need to keep price in line with expectations, or maybe the other way round, anyway I still think the area is good, but maybe it was the time (6PM on a Friday) or whatever, it was interesting but not beyond what I had seen down near LoHu.

Speaking on this topic of price and pretty girls, I was wandering an area and passed by a couple of shops that looked good to go, the second was small but had a super cute girl open the door to make the pitch, if I had the time I would have gone in in a heartbeat, but I was pressed for time and made a mental note to come back at some future point. A few days later I went by, but alas the doll was not there and in fact only a short rather fat (though with a cute face) girl was there. I was horney, hot and tired so I decided to go forward at least with the massage. Sat on the very high bed? and she starts by massaging my groin, we come to a quick conculsion of 150RMB on price, she gives me a towel bath (very welcome it was as I was hot from outside and the cool water felt really good). She was good for BBBJ, and any position I wanted, as long as wanted.

I guess she was maybe normally the hairwash girl but filled in as everyone else was out. On leaving several of the pretty girls had returned and were kidding her. Hey it wasnt a highpoint in life, but it wasnt bad either.

One other item on dont judge a book by its cover. I spotted a shop that looked like a classic sex barbershop, finally got the chance to drop in, picked a girl for massage (nominal cost 35RMB) went round back to the massage rooms (plywood walls) and she starts giving me a massage. I was shocked. It went on for a while and she says she will give me 'some help' and gets oil. I ask how much extra, and she said 'no extra cost', I was shocked again. Yes 1 hour massage plus hand job, 35 RMB. As I was slow to finish, she asked if I wanted a second whatever for 30 RMB, I said sure. total bill 65 RMB.

[Soulman]

oah,

sorry i couldn't connect with you last week. i'm glad we were able to chat few times. i had lots of catching up to do since i had not been back since march and spent only 2 nights in sz.

anyway, here is my trip report.

i had chance to have good times with 5 girls over 7 day period... 3 girls from ktvs, 1 old girlfriend i met from asiafriendfinder.com and 1 old friend i picked up at shekou in front of mcdonalds couple of years ago who i call whenever i'm in sz.

first, old girlfriend from hunan supposedly has a boyfriend who proposed to her from australia but she came up to my room and began to lean over towards me as we're watching hk movie. needless to say, i pulled her dress up, pushed her undie to side then pumped her wildly on a couch. she seems to like this. :) ended up in bed and she really enjoyed being on top with multiple orgasms. i do her without rubber and managed to pull my tool to come all over her butt. she wanted to hang around all day but i had another date that afternoon. she said she looked forward to seeing me as last time she had sex was with me in march and she fantasizes about us making love. :)

i had a date with another secretary from a company i used to do business with. she sent me sexual jokes out of blue so contacted her. well, she showed up to my hotel room with her new boyfriend and sister! man, was i shocked. anyway, bought them all nice dinner. she sent me email apologizing for not coming alone few days later. oh well... i thought a word got out among the secretaries about me thru manuchurian secretary i dated for 7 months couple of years ago. man, she was 1 sex starved ****.

i got together with a street friend from shekou. well, she kept on staring at my face and saying "i love you" which was a definite turn off. she has nice body but kind a on ugly side. she is also from hunan. i was kind a content as i had good times with 2 ktv girls couple of nights in a row so i let her "pamper" me. ok session as i didn't put much effort. gave her 400 rmb for staying overnight.

i did these 2 hunan girls while staying at crowne plaza. i went to the bar disco and pleace was dead in terms of hookers. i guess they didn't come back after sars or hotel shut them off. too bad as there were quite a few white and even black business man sitting by themselves dying to get approached. uh, i had this one old and not so attractive sichuan girl follow me to the hotel elevator from lobby. she wanted 1000 rmb and i was too content besides running low on money.

best times (and expensive) were at ktv. i ended up going to ktv 4 times. picked up a cuti from sichuan. no bj and resisted me eating her. she didn't stay overnight. ok session. waste of 800 rmb.

my host complained to mummy next evening and she brought me a "wild" girl. boy what a fitting description... she was hot and horny **** and did "table" dance exposing her undie in front of all my pals. went to my room and let's just say she acted like sex starved ***** in heat. we must have fucked for 1 1/2 straight. she was incredibly good... bbbj, 69, passonate french... i paid her 1000 rmb. we were both too tired for the morning session.

i went back to same ktv next night but my sexpot pal began her period. my collegue had this incredible beauty with big tits. we were exchanging glances all night so i asked her to come to my room. alas, she was on rags too. maybe a good thing since i was running low on funds.

we went to brand new and they say best ktv in dongguan. it's brand new 5 star sheraton. the going rate for sitting fee for girl is 300 rmb (vs 200) and all nighter is 1500 rmb (vs 1000) and short time is 1200 rmb (vs 800). place was ok and i wouldn't say girls were that outstanding. i passed at least 3 roundup and ended with a sweetheart from jiangsu province near shanghai. she was classic shanghai beauty, thin, tall, stunning like a model with large round eyes. we made "love" (really) like old lost lovers... i'd say my session with her ranks in top 5 sex experience i had in my life. it was really incredible. her lip and tongue was glued to mine and she was having real mutiple orgasms. she also wanted rough and wanted me to hold her arms up together like i was [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) her and wanted me to pinch her nipple and breast as she came. it again was incredible experience. we had another hot session in the morning. uh, we did it all without wearing rubber. my only gripe is her refusal to give me bj. well, i thnk i'm falling in love with her. damn if i only spoke decent mandarin...

luckly, i'm going back in couple of weeks. :)

[OldAsiaHand]

Fellow Mongers,

Yesterday, Johnny invited me on one of his infamous sextravaganzas; defined by Johnny as three girls in a single afternoon.

We met for lunch within walking distance from "the strip" in Futian, but Johnny, on a strict diet of DATY, only had some ice cream.

After lunch, we scanned the market and Johnny made his selection of a Sichuan girl in one particular shop. Back at the shop, I was contemplating my pick when one of my regulars appeared and made the decision for me. What a body this girl has! Anyway, she confirmed my theory that by going back to the same girl, the service gets better over time. Afterwards, I suggested a swap. My girl was game, but Johnny's girl was a bit shy. I made plans with my girl to have a foursome soon.

Without even a break, we were off to the "JUSCO" area for Round 2. After a quick look over, we found one shop with extremely good quality. The mamasan was very friendly. I was worried about getting it up again. At my age, I can never be certain. Johnny suggested it would be fun to let them try with BBBJ. It did not take too much convincing for me. After making our selections, we were at it again. My girl was very, very cute, perfect teeth, and looked like she came off a magazine cover. However, another one of my theories confirmed, an absolute & complete dead log. Reluctantly gave me a worthless BBBJ on which she set a predetermined time limit. She laid on her back for missionary style and did nothing. Pissed off, I turned her over and did her doggie style until completion, just as my phone was ringing. One consolation was that, to my surprise, I managed to get it up without a problem since she was so hot looking. At 150RMB, at least the poor service did not hurt my wallet too bad.

Unfortunately, the call was to remind me of a previous family comittment so I could not stay for Round 3. I left Johnny in the midst of passion with his girl. I'm sure he will file a report on the afternoon, as well.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

TZ,

Johnny and I were over there again yesterday (see previous post) and are beginning to wonder if we are talking about the same area. We plan to check out the LuoHu area you are talking about today to compare.

IMHO, the cute, short, fat ones, usually try harder and give much better service than the stunners; yesterday was a case in point.

I would be interested to know where the all-inclusive HJ place is. I used to know of one for 30RMB, but the deal changed with the new management.

OAH

[Superforce99]

(part 1/2)

Well, yesterday was supposed to be a planned "Shenzhen
sextravaganza" but it ended up slightly less, though it
was still a good time.

It had been a busy week for me, which meant no time for
my "lunchtime treats" I had been so enjoying last week,
so I called OAH then I met up with him the next day at a
Blue and White restaurant in the Futian area near Walmart
for lunch. It wasn't too hot in Shenzhen that day, but
damn humid, ofcouse. Anyway, I lost my apetite and ate B&W
ice-cream for lunch while OAH had some rice and Chinese
dishes. OAH's food looked OK, but the ice-cream was like
colored, watery milk; pretty bad.

Anyway, finished lunch and walked outside and turned the
corner and started inspections...what a conveinient location!
The girls were pretty good that day, ranging from 5-8s. We
went by most of the shops and it's always good to walk
around with OAH because the girls and the mamasan all
love to hassle and mess around with him! Chalk it up to
a foreigner who tries to speak (and joke) in Chinese. It
doesn't quite work out the same for me, ha ha, but luckily,
if I keep quiet, they assume I'm OAH's translator and don't
press me so I don't have to spill the beans on my terrible
Chinese. After inspecting most of the shops in the area,
we double back to what OAH calls "the 200 shop" since that
seems to be the only shop in the area that charges 200 RMB
for ST unlike the standard 150 RMB for ST for every other
shop in the area. Well, you get what you pay for, right?
50 RMB is about $6 USD, so shit, can't complain...

I choose this quiet, petite cutie and OHA is about to choose
this other petite cutie in a tight green top when some girl
walks into the shop that he has been recommending me to try.
She is really cute, medium-height, tight young body and has
the best breasts of any Chinese girl I've ever seen! Ha, ha,
OAH is all over her in the barbershop, hugging and joking
with her already. It makes the whole atmosphere very relaxed
and pleasant. As we 4 walk to the special apartment, OAH
and I decide to negoitate switching partners when we are done
with our girls.

In the room, my girl and I strip and I get a better look at
her and she has a hot body. 19 yrs old, about 5'3, 34 b/c
breasts, and a young curvy body with some meat! She's
from Sichuan, which bodes well according to OAH's feelings.

Actually, my girl heard OAH and his girl go to the shower
first, so we are waiting and chatting in the bedroom. Suddenly,
OAH opens the bedroom door to show me his girl's naked body
and look at my girl's body, too! So imagine OAH, me, and the
two girls all naked and kind of looking at each other and
laughing and pushing and the like! Ha, ha it really reminded
me of some college frat party! Anyway, OAH's girl was hot,
her body was really great and again, those breasts are awesome
and she's not too embarassed about showing her off either!

My girl and I shower and return to the bedroom and she then
politely asks me if I want a BJ, and I say yes (ofcouse!). Then
she asks CBJ or BBBJ, and at this point, I could only smile
and know I made the right decision...BBBJ was great, going
from slow to fast, soft to hard, and all sorts of tongue
movements. I wanted her to BBBJTCIM but she didn't want to
do that. I even tried to negotiate 2 shots, one BBBJTC and one
FS, but she didn't want that either. Oh, well, enjoyed BBBJ
a few times, stopping her each time I was about to cum and
giving myself a change to cool down.

Then I started kissing and exploring her hot body. She was
a little sensitive and I should have shaved too, but she
still liked the attention, I think. Then I got to her pussy,
and it smelled nice and clean, and damn, couldn't resist
and went DATY like a madman. She was squirming and going
nuts, moaning and pulling my hair. I think she climaxed,
but you can't always tell from pros, eh? The great thing was
feeling how tight her pussy was, damn, already my thumb was
completely enveloped and it was a real snug fit! As she was
resting and breathing slowly with her eyes closed, I went
up to her face and asked her to give more BBBJ. No problem
and I was in heaven! At this point, OAH knocks on the door
and starts yelling about changing girls. Oh shit, I almost
laughed out loud, except there was a hot girl giving me a
great BBBJ...so I told him to give me a couple of minutes.

Then I put on a condom and entered her and she was tight,
wet, and fucking great! She was moaning and in to it, holding
my back and pressing her cheeks against mine and caressing
my back all that other good stuff. Did missionary then switched
a couple of positions and finished with her legs in the air.
Fucking great! In the shower, I tried to negotiate with her
about switching partners with OAH for a second round, but
she wouldn't do it! Ha, ha, honestly, she looked kind of
tired and I think she just wanted to relax for a few hours
before the night-time crowd of johns came by. OAH was
disappointed as was I since I wanted to try his girl. Next
time, next time...

Overall, for my girl:

face: 7.5/10, really cute, warm smile and personality...
body: 8.5/10, firm body, great breasts and ass, tight pussy...
service: 8.5/10, if she had agreed to BBBJTCIM with a second
shot FS, then it definately would have been a "10"...