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OldAsiaHand
09-01-03, 15:00
woovictor,
I'm sorry to hear you had such a terrible experience on our turf. Obviously, the taxi driver was on the take, the street pimp ripped you off for the 800RMB and most of the saunas in SZ do not offer FS. I can only suggest that next time you come over, drop me a line ahead of time and we will be happy to show you a better side of Shenzhen.
OAH
Daring Mood
09-01-03, 15:16
Woovictor,
Your unpleasant encounter is by no means limited to KTVs in Shenzhen. I had a similar experience in a KTV in Nanjing, and I hate singing. I didn't even get to drink the black stuff and found myself RMB 2000 down within an hour. When I threatened to report this total rip off to the police, it was pointed out that the uniformed guy enjoying his watermelon at the bar was the police. I guess you have to be able to sing. Life goes on.
Ouch! expensive experience. Any recommandation on KTV in Shenzhen that are good?
CC1024
Bad luck woovictor.
I happened to be in SZ over the weekend and did not trust any of the middlemen even though they hassle you like mad. Even showed them the middle finger and mocked them in their lousy China slang (but was smart enough to stand close by a Gongan).
To cut a long story short, I hit one of the decent (but quiet since it was a private room) masseuse places and struck paydirt. Had a lovely girl massage me and just so happened she was knocking off right after. Met her right after for dinner and one thing led to another and I left SZ a contented person. She isn't a pro so it was GFE all the way. Cost: One hotel room which cost RMB 200.
Guess I must have had my lucky star shine on me. Rule of thumb: Don't EVER trust middlemen.
KTV.
I think if you just refused to pay or pay a reasonable amount you would be ok.. The Chinese would never offer violence to a westerner in my experience, even the Police wouldn't support that. Keep things cool, smile and laugh but keep the wallet firmly closed.
Woovictor / Daring mood you have certainly been ripped off.
However, if the truth be told i NEVER go to a KTV unless someone else (the company) is paying, but if you do ASK prices from stage 1, the Chinese do and feel no shame about it.
Who ask for korean gals in SZ? Here is where you can meet some:
Xili Hotel (Xi Li Da Jiu Dian)
KTV on 6/F
2081 Shennan Zhong Lu, Futian
They have about 20 sino korean gals.
(I just taked to the korean dressed gal downstairs, have not seen the place myself)
Hotel Tel: 0755 83622222
BTW, it's an 3-Star hotel for RMB 260/night
Just Mitch
09-02-03, 03:25
I didn't ask for the Han-guk gals, but am grateful for the information as I speak more Korean (chocum) than I do Chinese (none) and it would be a great start for when I arrive there. Appreciate the info.
I was in SZ and based on the instructions by fellow mongers in this board went to see the Jusco area. Walked by and ended up being entertained by this #21; she was quite a showlady, went for full oral service. A bit of an overact if you ask me; not that bad though. Toe thing felt funny.
Some time ago someone mentioned a shop specialized in big boobs in that area; can you post whereabouts of that place? Any other specifically good recommendations in that area?
Originally posted by TangZhen
I had such an experience recently behind Jusco. I was looking around and while walking by a girl did the mouth croch pointing thing, it was pretty humourous. As advertised she was quite the oral girl, for 200 RMB did the fire/ice thing, BBBJ, CBJ and wanted to do the ass thing also, but I declined as it has recently been used for more pressing things. She was honestly disappointed and was perky asking me to come back so she could do it for me. I nodded and smiled.
She was gung-ho for anything oral including toes. If I where her, I would not do my toes, thats for sure.
Oh also had sex, as oral is an appetiser for me, and need some main course to make a meal, if you know what I mean. Sex was 50 RMB extra and worth it and the oral stuff 150 RMB.
Her number was #21 and the shop is 1 street back from the road behind Justco. Near the center. Pretty established shop with a bit of a sauna feel to it. Had showers and such and formal rooms.
OldAsiaHand
09-03-03, 15:43
Knobrm,
The big boobs shop is in another area nearby the Oriental Regent Hotel. You will hit this area if you just keep walking east from the Jusco area. The other shops in the Jusco area have been really hit and miss for me, but there is one natural 40Dfrom Hunan in one shop on the third alley in from Jusco if you like big racks.
Happy Hunting!!!
OAH
On my 4th night here in SZ I have the urge and decided to scan the posts where I think I asked about the area around the Pavilion Hotel Huaquiang Rd North. After scanning the last 2 months post I can not find where I think OAH gave me some ideas.
I have a map from the hotel but there is some much crap on it I can not find any of these places you guys are talking about. Is Jusco going to be on a map? I see the Crowne Plaza but that looks too far to travel out to.
Thanks in advance.
RasSpewtin
09-03-03, 17:42
Originally posted by 69Dawg
On my 4th night here in SZ I have the urge and decided to scan the posts where I think I asked about the area around the Pavilion Hotel Huaquiang Rd North. After scanning the last 2 months post I can not find where I think OAH gave me some ideas.
I have a map from the hotel but there is some much crap on it I can not find any of these places you guys are talking about. Is Jusco going to be on a map? I see the Crowne Plaza but that looks too far to travel out to.
Thanks in advance.
Dawg:
You don't need a map. Go to the concierge at your hotel and tell him you want to go to JUSCO. Do a search for a recent post by Tangzhen, he describes how to get to the alleys behind JUSCO in very good detail. I won't say that "you can't miss it", but if you follow the information closely, you will very likely find the "barber shops".
I will try to post a similar verbal map of Futian shop area when I have a few moments. Shite, things are going badly today after the typhoon, so I am working my ass off.
Raz
Ah, the ritual of getting ripped off at ktv in China...
Well, happened to me to in Beijing on my 2nd trip to China in summer of 1998. Stayed at Great Wall Sheraton across Hard Rock Cafe. Checked HRC but girls were asking $200 and too noisy for me. So ventured out only to be accosted men and mostly women promising cheap sex and massage (yeah like 50 rmb!). Hell was too horny and couldn't resist.
Mistake #1
Got in taxi with a lady who promised me the sex and massage.
Mistake #2
Went inside and led to a private room shortly followed by girls (OK looking) and you guessed it fruit an dry platters. And of course shots of "brandy" which I suspect was tea. I sensed something wrong so tried to get up then 2 girls grabbed my arm and convinced me to stay along with the owner. Before I can say no they gulp down brandy and eat a piece of fruit. Me, ordered a stinkin beer but didn't touch it. OK, enough of this shit so try to get up then the bill comes. 2,000 rmb! WHAT? Fortunately, I only had 800 or so rmb. They wanted to use my credit card and I said it's my company's card. Uh, forgot to mention that 2 tought guys showed up when I tried to leave. Negotiated 750 rmb so I can pay the ***** brought me 30 rmb and begged for 20 rmb taxi ride back.
Come back to my room humbled and pissed. Open up room service menu to be greeted by a bright yellow card warning that one to be careful and not follow strangers offering cheap "entertainment". Thanks... :(
Since then I never go to ktv alone. Only go with my hosts who knows the place. And I love ktvs! You can fuck any girl you choose. Sure some may say they're on the rags but nost are eager to make 600 to 1000 rmb! ")
OAH, Ras, Moody and other Boys,
Hey I might be back as soon as next week! If not then week after. Anyway 50:50 chance for now.
Ras, hope you will be around and Moody, still 9/22 arrival for ya?
Later boys and hey anyone got the mobile number for #21?
PS - funny story I heard on Taipei board last year... A fellow monger went to Jin Hua Sauna for some action. Anyway this older lady licked him all over. I think they call this some kind a "heavnely" service. OK, felt good. She licked his ahole too which he found to be unnerving at best. The she lubricated his hole and stuck her thumb with no warning! Well, this monger was shocked and pissed and pushed her away. She couldn't figure out why this monger was so pissed. :) Be aware!
Soulman,
I think I'm more likely looking at 9/26. I'll let you know.
Moody
Knobrm
I am glad you could find the place. It was one of the few places that can be rather easily described and I am glad the services seemed to fit my description. I agree on the toe thing feeling funny. I had her number, but I tend not to hold them for fear of them falling into the wrong hands (my wifes).
Dear all:
I have just posted some photos of those gal I picked up in Shenzhen and Dongguan in the photo section.
Anybody wants to play together can contact me at fairyking72@hotmail.com.
I am from Hong Kong, age=30.
i'll be in Shenzen next week after Shanghai. Anybody wanna meet up?
tapioca1688@hotmail.com
tapioca
OldAsiaHand
09-14-03, 15:27
Tapioca:
Check your mail and give me a call.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
09-14-03, 15:34
Soulman,
I will show you where to find #21. I ran into her myself last time I was in the Jusco area. You can't miss her. She stands in front of the shop, pointing to her mouth and offering "fire and ice" service.
OAH
Hi OAH,
I'll be in Shenzen 16/9 to 17/9.(Tues/Wed) Is there a way to contact you when I'm there in case my host cannot fulfil my needs?
Pls email me at ongcht@yahoo.com.sg
Cheers,
Darkstar
Fellow mongers, here's a report recently published in the Hong Kong paper "The Standard". Becareful out there...
"Red-light" gang smashed
Staff reporter
Shenzhen police have smashed a gang of "Red-light district" robbers which had been targeting Hong Kong men in the city's Nanshan district.
The plan was simple - attractive young women posed as prostitutes and would seduce Hong Kong men looking for company and escort them to a rental house where the victims would be beaten and robbed of their cash and credit cards.
The operation, which the Shenzhen public security department had been planning for more than a month, began last month when officers divided into six teams and arrested syndicate members after watching five men being taken to the houses by women.
Eight women and three "watchers" were arrested. At the same time, another team broke into a another house and arrested four more suspects who were busy tying up five victims.
"This is the first time we have acted in such a swift and sudden way," an officer identified only as Wong said. "We must not get the wrong people and we have to avoid scaring citizens."
The operation followed a series of complaints, including one from a Hong Kong man who was himself captured and robbed.
According to the latest edition of Eastweek magazine, the man told police he was seduced by a beautiful young woman in the Nanshan district, but his date turned out to be a costly nightmare in which he was beaten, robbed, tied up and forced to spend a night with other victims who had fallen into the same trap.
A week after he was rescued, the man saw the same girl talking to other men on the streets, so he called police, who then began plotting an operation.
"The hardest thing in fighting seduction-robbery is evidence gathering," Shenzhen police senior officer Hu Zhijun said.
"Most victims won't report to police because they don't want to lose face. Many suspects have been released due to insufficient evidence. This time, we had spent over a month just to collect evidence.
"With plenty of evidence and knowing how the suspects commit the crime, even without the suspects' statement, we can still try the case in court," Hu said.
Prior to the raid, police officers had been monitoring the suspects 24 hours a day and had targeted about a dozen belonging to this particular syndicate.
According to Shenzhen police, the group was highly organised and would never commit the crime twice at the same location.
Further investigations revealed the syndicate was organised under a leader, surnamed Cheung, who recruited a group of attractive young women to look for victims in the district.
As the women searched for victims, several "watchers" would oversee the operation while body-builders were used to help restrain the victims.
According to Shenzhen public security, the group would rent a place near where they planned to look for victims and after a couple of days, the gang would go to work.
They would seduce victims by offering a cut-rate price for sex with one of the women. The watchers would then notify the guards after the victims agreed to go to the rented house. Once the victims were inside the house, they would be restrained and robbed of all their valuables.
In just one night, the group could rob more than 10 victims leaving the rented accommodation on the second day when the landlord would come looking for his unpaid rent and would discover the victims.
15 September 2003 / 02:04 AM
Sometimes it seems as if 90% of the stuff here is about barbershops. So here's a report of a very different experience, from about a week ago. Some folks may say I spent too much money, but I feel like I got my money's worth (and more!).
On my last trip to Shenzhen, I was joined by a friend from the UK who had never been across the border. Once there, we hooked up with a friend who lives there. (Actually he's a friend of my wife, but he'd always been telling me that if I showed up without her he could show us an interesting time.)
First dinner, which was the real authentic super spicy Sichuan cuisine. We had crabs stir fried with a couple of pounds of chili peppers, baby lobsters smothered under chili peppers, sliced beef swimming in chili oil, chicken buried under chili sauce, some veggies and 5 big bottles of Tsing Tao, which set us back all of US$20. The 5 bottles of beer alone would have cost more in HK.
Next we hit this street loaded with nightclubs and we went into one called Feelings. (Sorry, I don't know the name of the street.) This place had an elaborate stage show, singers, dancers, comedians, acrobats, you name it ... but mostly it had tons of beautiful women. My Brit friend and I were happy with the first ones brought over to us. Neither spoke any English, but I've been studying Mandarin for a couple of months now and could do some basic conversation with my girl.
Let's see, how to describe ... about 5 foot 5, hair dyed with blonde streaks, and roughly 34c-22-32. Probably no more than 22, 23 years old.
What surprised me was the price in this place, both pro and con. Much more aligned to Hong Kong prices than I would have expected. The quality in this club was high, and they priced accordingly.
Anyway, the deal was, if we wanted to just sit with the girls in the club, we'd need to tip them Y300 each. If we wanted to take the girls out to a bar or disco and then dump them afterwards, tip would be Y500 each. If we wanted them short time, Y1500 and Y2000 for all night.
We grabbed the girls and headed for my favorite disco/bar in SZ, True Colors. It may have been a Wednesday night, but at midnight the place was packed tight. We headed for the room with the dj spinning hard house tunes, ordered a bottle of Chivas, and started to party.
In my various trips to and from the bathroom, I had lots of long, strong eye contact from at least half a dozen women there. I'm sure that if I wanted to get rid of the club girl, I could have at least collected phone numbers. But I wanted a sure thing.
As I got more drunk, I leapt on a platform to dance. I was instantly joined by 3 women (and some men), for various rounds of dirty disco dancing with the crowd screaming for more. Men were eager to buy me drinks to tell me how good I was (and to compliment me on my beautiful young girlfriend), women were eager to dance real close. Well, my friend and I were the only white guys there, I'm pushing 50, I'm out of shape, but I can still out-party half of the 20 somethings wherever I go.
Around 2 AM, drunk, soaked with sweat, exhausted, we headed toward the appropriately named Friendship Hotel (rooms about US$25 a night). My new friend was quite passionate, quite the GFE - she went nuts when I went down on her, though she would not reciprocate in that one regard. However she was young, she was tight, and she was dripping wet - an excellent recipe.
Somehow I woke up at 8 AM and my friend and I shared 'breakfast'. The instant we finished, her phone rang (her friend with my friend in the room next door), she showered and left, and my Brit friend and I staggered out into the sunlight and made our way back to the train station and home.
Gweilo:
It's really too expensive to play in the Feelings Club which is located on the Chun-feng Lu of Lohu. The gals working there also not as pretty as before.
If you really enjoy playing in KTV, go to Dongguan.
Was in Shenzhen recently. Couldn't sync schedules with OAH for a hunt, so he did the next best thing -- arranged for his mamasan to give me a nice girl at his standard rate with no negotiation. Thanks OAH, for being a gentleman and scholar in the study of Shenzhen mongering.
Later met up with OAH and he showed me the candyland of the Futian area barbershop strip near the WalMart. I'm not sure what's more fun -- checking out all the girls, or watching OAH being like a kid in a candystore as he sticks his head in every door, flirts with all the girls and the mamas, and jokes around. OAH is truly a riot of a mongering partner!
I was too spent to take a BBS girl, but it was great to meet up with OAH and see first hand the quality in the Shenzhen BBSs. He is truly the king of Shenzhen, no doubt!
CC1,
Wow, of all the place in Nanshan? I used to hang out there before Crowne Plaza opened last year. Know the area near Holiday Inn and Carre Four well. Thanks for the tip.
Hey Mongers,
Never, follow a girl to her "apartment" unless you're in barber shop area in Futian Walmart and Jusco (thanks to OAH for showing me these areas!). Invite her to your room. I also heard that you get robbed in Lowu too. I also made a mistake of following a girl promising cheap sex and massage in Beijing 5 years to get ripped off at ktv. All in all recipe for disaster!
OAH and Moody,
I'm coming back to SZ/DG area next week or first week of October. Man it has been 1 long month since I have been back in states and can't wait to have a good time. I kind a got over my ktv girlfriend but doing my best to time my visit so she's not on the rags. :)
See ya soon!
I am glad to see OAH continue to make a lot of friends by being a generous host to fellow mongers, showing us his favorite hunting ground.
All the mama sans and barbershop girls are crazy about him :-)
mpfslover
OldAsiaHand
09-16-03, 14:43
Soulman,
If you are coming to do any business, you better check if your suppliers are working first week of October. This is National Day. Official holiday is 1-3 October, but many cos. will work the prior weekend and then take seven days off. I will probably take off the whole week.
Make sure you stopover in SZ on your way to DG.
OAH
Well, I hated that I could not hook up with OAH during my 14 day stay in Shenzhen at the Pavilion Hotel but the trip was great. My Chinese business partners treated me well after some negotiations on what I was looking for.
I was taken to a very nice Sauna for just a normal Chinese experience according to them. It was called the Dragon's Sauna and although I do not know exactly where it was located I do remember passing a Wal-mart very close by it.
We enter and were sent right away in the elevator to the 3rd floor and greeted warmly. It was the normal strip down and locker boys to store your clothes and off to the shower. A long sit in the sauna was good to warm up.
After that we headed to a large room with recliner like seats covered with towels and big screen TVs. We were treated to drinks and opted to feet massages as well. After lingering about 1 hour we were asked about a massage and off to the rooms we went.
Although my petite asian cutie spoke not a lick of english nor I any mandarian it all worked out. My guys actually paide for a 2 hour massage and we got an extra 45 minutes. My body was like jello before I got to see her goods. It was only a HJ but by that time 1:30am I had not the strength to hit it.
She was tender yet smooth and made my night enjoyable.
Another night we negotiated some ladies near the hotel for short times in the room and my girls name was Alice she said. Anyway, she was up for the deed that night for 400rmb and that was a good deal to me lasting approx. 1 1/2 hours.
Shen zhen was good and then I was off to finish up the trip in Beijing.
69 Dawg> If you saw a Wal-Mart, then I think the Dragon Sauna you went to is on the Northeast corner of Shangbu Road and Sunggang road in Futian. It is just across the street from the sports stadium that also has a few bars in it. So a good option would be to have a drinks at Chicag Bar in the stadium and look for some gals and if you strike out, head across the street to the Dragon Sauna.
How much was the massage plus tip?
Qustion for teh guys: I have a week off for teh National Day Holiday. Any suggestions on which city is probably best for picking up non-pro's in bars?
An article on white slavery in Shenzhen:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/09/16/1063625032534.html
"Foreign models rescued"
September 17, 2003
A 22-year-old German model has been rescued after being detained by a bogus modelling agency in a flat in southern China.
A crack team of ex-military and police officers rescued Arnika Kirsch from a flat in Shenzhen where she was held for eight days after flying to Hong Kong on a modelling assignment
Three other overseas models were held in the same flat after being brought to Hong Kong on bogus promises of modelling work and then whisked over the border to China, the newspaper said.
Ms Kirsch, from Munich, slipped out to an internet cafe and emailed her Switzerland-based agent, who then hired the hostage recovery team Curlewis and Associates to rescue her. She is now back home in Germany.
The newspaper said Ms Kirsch was flown to Hong Kong on an assignment then taken over the border to Shenzhen in southern China where she was held with the other girls, who included a 16-year-old Brazilian model.
Phil Curlewis, who led the rescue, said bogus modelling agents were bringing in foreign models and "imprisoning them in a horrible nightmare".
The girls had their return air tickets and travel documents taken from them on arrival and were then forced to work as hostesses, escorts or prostitutes to repay their fares, visa fees and rent in Shenzhen, he said.
Shenzhen has a huge sex industry catering mostly for relatively wealthy visitors from neighbouring Hong Kong.
Ms Kirsch, who retained her own passport, was not forced into any illicit work while she was held in Shenzhen but was tailed by a van when she left the apartment, she told the newspaper.
"It was scary," she said in a statement. "They didn't give me a map, I didn't know where I was, and I had no possibility to talk to anybody."
Knobrm
I can be a bit tricky to find, though it is on Shennan Lu.
Financial Centre Building,
Shennan Middle Road,
Shenzhen 420474,
China
Tel: (86-755) 224 7000
Once you find the right hotel it is a bit tricky to find the BBS. Go out the back side (away from Shennan), cross the street, turn left and you should find some small but relatively clean alley ways. Hunt around there and you should find some.
I saw some real cuties around there but the girls in the shops were only ok. I should have chased down the free cuties and came up with some great line, but I didn't :-( I wound up at a shop with a cutie opening the door and they pulled a switch on me to a 18 year old who was nice but zero technique, after being told by the mamasan her service was good. A mamasan lieing, what is the world coming to?
I'll attach a photo of the hotel.
Vinfalco,
A lot of that depends on where you're staying. Shenzhen has a lot of such venues and depending on where you're staying, I'm sure some of the regulars can help you out.
Tangent
In regards to the Dragon Sauna price I did not pay and there were 3 of us and I say my partner give them approx. 1000rmb.
OldAsiaHand
09-22-03, 09:06
Are BBS prices going up in Shenzhen?
Went hunting with Just Mitch yesterday. We were waiting for Tapioca to pull in from Shanghai, but he arrived later than expected. Conducted the usual market visit, joking and flirting with the girls. I wanted this redhead in one shop, but the mamasan insisted on 200RMB so we passed. Same thing happened in another shop down the road, but Just Mitch was in love and could not pass this one up. I did a a Chongqing girl previously in the same shop for 150RMB a couple of months ago. Off he went to the apartment around the back, following his girl a few steps behind so not to draw so much attention. I am sure he will post the results.
I walked over to another shop, selected a cute little Hunan girl. The mamasan told me the house fee was 50RMB which I said I would give directly to the girl. Really slow and nice BBBJ, no spitting!, followed by a really tight fit which never ceases to cut down my lasting power, already very quick at my age, I must admit. I gave her the standard 150RMB, including house fee, which she seemed OK with.
Can't figure out the problem with the other two shops. The quality was not any different from other places. Any of you guys have similar experience with prices going up? Or is it just the standard. "Foreigners should pay more if they can get away with charging it"?
OAH
Tapioca arrived in Shenzhen thinking this is just a ho hum industrial city and the barbershops are not worth the 150rmb that OAH has been touting. Well, Tapioca is wrong. Don't know much about the other places sine OAH only took me to one area but if other areas are like this...WOW!!!
2 streets with about 14-16 shops loaded with gurlz just waving at u. Kind of like walking through soi 7 in Pattaya and all them beer bars. This area is right behind the Jusco Dept Store and the only Starbucks in town.
so Tapioca, OAH, and Just Mitch walks through and I found this really hot, big titties (yall know I like that), small waist gurl from GueiZhou. This chick's been fucking all her life cause she could really eat dick and knows how to really use her fingernails. She was suckin' and lickin' ballz!!! 45 min. later, Tapioca hands her 150rmb and comes down smilin'.
Met up with Just Mitch and OAH, went to KFC, ate really expensive yet terribly small "fried chicken". They left after dinner and I was off again. I wanted round 2 to be a different gurl but I don't know why, somehow I managed to go back and find that same exact BBS. Took the same gurl again, this time I gave her a 10rmb tip to make it 160rmb total. Sorry if I'm ruining this market for u guyz...
She said that takeout there is available for 400rmb for the whole night. It only includes 2 fucks though for those of you who think using economies of scale will bring down your cost per fuck.
Off to Taiwan in about 3.5 hours and 1 week of no sex cause Taiwan really sux for paid sex...
Thanks to OAH for showing me around...hope to see u again in Shenzhen...khop khun krap...
tapioca
[quote]This area is right behind the Jusco Dept Store and the only Starbucks in town. [quote]
Actually, there's another Starbucks at the Carianna Plaza. :D
OldAsiaHand
09-23-03, 05:36
Just Mitch asked me to post his report:
I'd like to publicly thank OAH for a great introduction to the fleshpots of Shenzhen. He's posting this for me as my only internet access at the moment is from my office and for obvious reasons I don't want to raise any suspicions at work about sites I frequent on the Internet. OAH met me promptly and even more promptly took me to an eye opening two blocks or so of "barbershops." After some cruising and some dinner and a beer, we made our way back where I eventually found one who interested me. Probably a 7+ for most people but she was a 9 to this sex-starved newbie.
I paid 200 rmb, 50 more than OAH had recommended but it was worth it in spades. He'd warned me that only 20% willingly engage in oral sex. After playing with me in a shower, she not only enthusiastically gave it with no urging, she also received it with even more enthusiasm. Deep kissing included. I'm not used to condoms, having come from the states and my last relationships there being fairly monogamous. When it got down to the deed itself, the lack of sensititivity kind of dampened my noodle. It was then that she pulled an outrageous stunt out of her hat and urged me to relax while I watch her masturbate.
It was no act. She worked herself for about 10 minutes, pumping two fingers deep inside (they emerged wet), rubbing her clit and moaning while I sucked and licked her tiny tits and bullet hard nipples and stroked her her thighs. She finally came, clenching her legs tight around her hand and whimpering and shaking. By this time I was rock hard and no problems and we sealed the deal. I would've paid 200 for the show alone, but the aftershow activities were just as satisfying. Looking forward to more trips. (Now, if I can only remember what shop she was at...)
OldAsiaHand
09-23-03, 05:52
Gentlemen,
The shop where Tapioca and Just Mitch scored last night is what I have referred to previously on this thread as "The Two Sisters" since it is run by two very nice sisters, not available for service unfortunately. The have a relatively small selection of talent but they always assure their girls make an extra effort to be closer to a GFE.
I always give my guests first pick and nothing struck my fancy after Tapioca and Just Mitch cherry picked the lot. The 40D and another one of my favorites were not there last night. I found a Hainan girl in another shop and, for the second night in a row, no spitting BBBJ. Must be a record. Started at the base of my balls and worked up. Was very hot and willing to do it anyway I wanted.
Looks: 8
Service: 9
Body: 7
OAH
OAH,
I'm gonna have to meet up with you man! I'll be arriving this Friday night, but I have some things I have to take care of before the holiday. What say we meet up during the holiday? I think Soulman will be around too. Up for KTV?
OldAsiaHand
09-23-03, 06:30
Moody,
I just got an email from Soulman saying he is delayed until after the holiday. We have an offer from a fellow WSG lurker and monger to foot the bill at Las Vegas for the room charge and incidental expenses. Are you in? We have to do it ona weekend. Check your mail.
OAH
Hi all,
I'm new here. Just to share some info with you guys. I too had bad experience in Shenzhen. I stayed in Shangrila at Lowu for 2 weeks. I was always approached by pimps whenever walked out of the hotel. Since I'm stranger and don't know where to go, and also my sex urge was high at that time, one day I decided to follow a guy back to the apartment where they have girls waiting for customers. After a few rounds of girls parading and I could find one to my liking, I rejected them and wanted to go down. Suddenly this guy became aggressive and blocked the way. He said I was fooling with him and demanded 200. I told him if I don't take any girls I'm not paying. Later some older women and guys came out of nowhere and started yelling at me with the ladies watching. Embarrased, I paid him the money and get the fuck out of the place asap. Please be careful if anyone decide to get service from the pimps.
Hi, I'm thinking about going to Shenzhen for about for about a week during Nov.
I'd like to do normal site seeing, photography, trying food, and doing some shopping, ie: custom tailored suits etc.
I'm wondering has anybody toured Shenzhen but paid for a 'girl's' company for a few days while she accompanied you?
I figure if you pay the girl she'll go where ever you take her, she'd probably not mind hanging out with you when not everything is about sex... at least not until getting back to the hotel during the evenings.
Just that what are the chances you can find a lady right off the street or patrolling the a hotel lobby that would give you that level of trust to do some honest sight seeing/area guidance for you?
Thanks for any input!
OldAsiaHand
09-24-03, 02:19
Fellow Mongers,
Some more reports in the local newspaper yesterday about the "bait and rob" scams going on in SZ. Mostly targeted at HK mongers, some of the gangs have even resorted to actual kidnapping and demands for ransom from the family of the punter. Same scenario as posted on this thread earlier, girl lures monger with promise of cheap service. He follows to nearby apartment. 4-5 guys are there waiting.
Be careful out there guys!
OAH
Alright reading some of these reports has me worried about going to shenzhen. I've never been there, probably would look 'lost' and since apparently peopl are always 'watching' other people there. They'd see me lost. Would I be picked on?
I also think I'd stand out in that crowd. I'm 5'10" and 210lbs, and very fairskinned for Asian.
Should I just go to Macao instead?
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Dudes, be carefull! Not in my wildest dreams would I follow those Lohuo pimps.
The close border/Shangri-La area is not a good area and should be avoided completely.
At least walk for a few minutes and go to Seibu.
And if gals get paraded in front of you you need to take one. It's not a supermarket where you can look and go. At least chose one, and then say you need to get your own condom from your hotel - and dissapear.
I have a question, does anyone know where I can get a MAP of streets of Shenzhen?
A lot of talk about things in specific streets, and I'm having difficultying visualizing where things are.
A street altas anywhere?
To NICK6231:
Like I've said before those nearby apartments are all government subsidized rental units. If they caused trouble they can get kicked out. You don't have to worry; however, from what I've been told the pimps may have to pay the outside guards 50rmb to let you in there. Thats why he might have gotten pissed off. I was in sz in July and Sept. and didn't have any problems there. I generally use one male pimp and he takes me around in front of different apartments. From there he calls various units and has the girls come on down that way he doesn't have to pay each apartment building guard. I pay him 350 rmb to get young women. In additional I have a Taiwanese businessman who also went into a couple apartments operated by women from there they called various units within the building. I paid 200 rmb amd 250 rmb respectively. Now when ever I walk around sz I have no more than 1000 rmb. Generally the mamasans are easier to deal with than a guy; but you're right they will get mad if you don't pick anyone.
Kabukicho,
Most of the hotel reservation place just outside of LoHu customs sell Shenzhen street map for $5RMB
CC1024
Kabukicho,
There really is not any decent map online in English, although you might want to try http://www.inshenzhen.de/startmap.htm which has subsections for the main parts of each district of Shenzhen.
In Shenzhen you should be able to get a map at any four or five star hotel. Most maps will list street names in English as well as Chinese. Bookstores and many kiosks should also have maps. There is even a Shenzhen atlas book (about 100 pages) which has every road in Shenzhen superimposed upon a detailed satellite image. To ask if they have a map of Shenzhen say, "You mei-you Shenzhen Ditu?"
Ditu (Dee-too) is the Mandarin word for map.
Map of all of Shenzhen: http://www.shenzhen.net/images/citymapx.jpg
Hope this helps
Tangent, thanks a lot for all the info, and I'd definitely like to get that satellite based atlas.
cc1024, thank you for your info as well.
it makes me feel better that I likely don't need to bring everything I need into shenzhen when I go. that I can purchase them there.
BTW, you folks know of any hotel that has tennis courts???
Ideally, a place with fitness rooms, a bar, a club, nice view outside at night, I'd like to read about.
Thanks again!
SeattleGman
09-28-03, 04:42
OAH
The barber shop strip near the Futian Walmart sounds like a great place. Can you direct me on how to get there from the Walmart? I can get to the Walmart by asking the concierge, but I'm unclear on where the shops are from there. Can't wait till I get to Shenzhen!
OldAsiaHand
09-28-03, 09:56
SeattleGMan:
Turn right out of the WalMart, walk up to the next intersection and turn left. You can't miss them.
OAH
Folks who have went to Shenzhen from USA, how do you recommend handling hotel reservations.
That is, do you while in USA, purchase your plane ticket PLUS hotel reservation right there in one shot.
OR
Go to Shenzhen, then reserve right at a Hotel's front desk?
Which will get you better prices?
For that matter, you fly into HK, then travel into Shenzhen from HK would that be correct.
Can you, when purchasing transportation into Shenzhen, are there facilities to do Shenzhen Hotel shopping/reservations, and could you negotiate decent deals, 50-65US for 4-5star hotels for 1.5wk long stay?
Superforce99
09-29-03, 11:34
Haven't had time to post in a while, but I'll be adding some posts soon.
Anyway, saw this on the internet and wondered...HOW DO I GET AN INVITE TO THE NEXT ONE???!
news:
Tourists accused of three-day China orgy
Mon Sep 29, 2:50 AM ET
By Juliana Liu
BEIJING (Reuters) - Hundreds of Japanese tourists and local prostitutes held a three-day orgy at a luxury hotel in southern China, newspapers say, sparking outrage and prompting police to launch an investigation.
The five-star hotel where the orgy was reported to have been held earlier this month has been closed pending investigations, a spokeswoman for the Guangdong Provincial Public Security Bureau told Reuters.
"We are conducting an investigation into the case to find out whether media reports tally with reality," she said. "We have suspended the business of Zhuhai International Convention Centre Hotel."
The official People's Daily newspaper said more than 400 Japanese tourists were serviced by some 500 prostitutes from the coastal cities of Zhuhai and Shenzhen during their stay from September 16 to 18.
Media reports of the orgy have provoked outrage -- particularly on the Internet, where Chinese Web surfers accused the tourists of choosing the date for their high jinks to humiliate China and celebrate Japan's wartime behaviour.
September 18 marks the anniversary of Japan's occupation of northeastern China of 1931 -- an event remembered by many Chinese who still harbour deep resentment of Tokyo's military past.
"It's a trivial matter for Chinese prostitutes to sell sex, but the key is to look at the intentions of the Japanese devils," said a message on the www.sina.com.cn web site. "They came on purpose for September 18."
Other messages described the orgy as a national shame.
The People's Daily said the tourists paid the prostitutes between 1,200 to 1,800 yuan (85-130 pounds) a night.
Although technically illegal, prostitution has become common in China since the country's economic reforms began more than 20 years ago.
Expensive hotels catering to foreigners are notorious gathering spots for sex workers.
I've read the forum, I dont think was able to find anyone staying at the Nan Hai Hotel... has anyone done so or knows of NOT to go to this hotel..(no 'action') perhaps= avoid?
On the other hand, it does say it has a disco, karoake etc... and ...tennis courts!
About Nan Hai Hotel Shenzhen (5 Star)
Gaining the first 5-star laurel in Shekou of Shenzhen Special Economic Zone, Nan Hai Hotel excels others in its blend of vessel-like unique architecture with breath-taking sea view. Nan Hai Hotel's superb location is attributable to its sound traffic network: Hoverferry or cross border coaches to Hong Kong and ferry to Macau and Zhuhai are easily accessible. Shenzhen Airport and railway station are in close proximity too. The hotel offers 396 exquisitely decorated guestrooms, all are fully-equipped with colour TV, refrigerator, minibar, direct IDD telephone, electronic safe and doorlock, and advanced air-conditioning system.
Nan Hai Hotel features a dazzling array of finely selected eastern and western cuisine in their elegant restaurants and banquet halls such as Penthouse Grill Room, Hai Xu Room Restaurant as well as Coffee Shop at the splendid lobby. For a world of joy and fun, you should never miss Club Tropicana which combines the most superb entertainment - bar, discotheque and karaoke in one. Besides six elegant karaoke rooms, you will find all the sophisticated audio system such as vibrant board on karaoke platform, wireless microphone, keyboard system and all the latest albums etc.
You will be irresistible to the temptation of all the classy recreational facilities including outdoor swimming pool, sauna and whirlpool, sun-tanner, minigolf, billiard room, mahjong groom, game room, gymnasium, beauty salon, tennis courts and jogging track.
The spacious multi-function rooms are available for hosting various scales of seminars and conferences of which area can be easily adjusted to different needs. The rooms also offer advanced equipment with capacity up to 300 people and are the best meeting place for business. To cater to different needs of business travellers, the Business Centre provides thorough and professional secretarial support and a full range of office equipment and private meeting rooms.
To add more sparkles to the journey, do not forget to take a 15 minutes' ride to the famous Splendid China (miniature) or China Folk Culture Villages. Besides, Statue of Nu Wa, Relic of Emperor Bing of the Sung Dynasty, The Sea World and The Shenzhen City Safari Park and Windows of the World are also places worth visiting.
The Nan Hai Hotel is managed by Miramar International Hotel Management Corp., S.A.
Johnnykon666
>Anyway, saw this on the internet and wondered...
>HOW DO I GET AN INVITE TO THE NEXT ONE???!
I heard the story in the news and I thought: "How is that different from any other day in China?"
OldAsiaHand
09-30-03, 06:08
Kabukicho,
First, do not worry too much about Shenzhen. Like any other big city in the world, as long as you stay alert and don't do anything too stupid, you will get along just fine.
Yes, the best and cheapest way to get to Shenzhen is to fly to Hong Kong. As I have mentioned before, I recommend the bus directly from the HK airport to Shenzhen.
The best deals for Shenzhen hotels will come from a local China travel agent. I am not sure about tennis courts, but you can get a reasonable 4-star hotel for less than US$50.
Why don't you try to strike up some quick contacts in one of the chatrooms to find a lady to show you around. I do not think the pros will have the patience or inclination.
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsia, once I am to hit HK and travel over to Shz, will I run into a slew of local China Travel agencies at that border crossing/train/bus station area?
Otherwise I'd be lugging 1 or 2 bags, and not knowing where to get myself a hotel.
That's why I ask if anyone knows if on the HK side I can reserve a shz hotel.
Gents,
I'm having difficulting feeling the 'scale' of Shenzhen.
I'm looking at the Shekou area, the Luhou area, the Futian area. Are they many miles across?
Nanhai Hotel in Shekou 5 stars, yet price seems reasonable comparable to Shangrila, etc. So I was wondering is it because Shekou is sort of off by the side, away form the Lohou center? Is Shekou away from the action, or yes, but its got its own neighborhood of action.
Sorry I ask so many questions, I do regardless of what I'm researching.
Thanks
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Superforce99
10-02-03, 05:03
How is the scene in Shenzhen since the "Japanese Orgy" situation?
johnny
To get a discount on a room in sz you can go to the travel agencies located in the same building on Hong Kong Island where the boats are docked for travel to Macau. Besides offering sex tours/ hotel rooms in Macau they also sell rooms in sz hotels.
OldAsiaHand
10-04-03, 03:38
Kabukicho,
There is a China Travel Service counter just inside the arrival hall at HK airport. Suggest you book your first night there and check out alternatives once you arrive in Shenzhen. The Nan Hai Hotel is in Shekou, about 40 minutes from downtown. There is action around this hotel...bars and SW that cater to foreigners, but prices are higher than Shenzhen city. Unless budget is not a concern, I suggest you find a hotel in Luo Hu district to start.
If you take the bus from the airport, they will take you to your hotel in Shenzhen, but you have to change over to a mini bus after crossing through China immigration. Price for the package deal is HK$150, or HK$100 only to the border crossing.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
10-04-03, 03:50
Johnny,
I just got back in town after a 3 day family outing for the holiday. I will venture out today and post a report.
DayNight,
I think the biggest issue is the date, the sheer numbers and, total lack of discretion involved. As is common knowledge, most Chinese do not like the Japanese for historical reasons, however, there is no prejudice when it comes to money. The prices they paid were way over the top for Zhuhai. Surely the hotel is full of pros on any given day but at least most pretend to be a bit discreet about it.
OAH
OAH, you are right on the money as to why the venerable institution of , let's say, "business entertainment" became such big news. Certainly, the Chinese entertain and conduct business under similar circumstances, but on another scale. And to your point, with more discretion.
Actually, it must have been quite a scene. The madam involved with the Japanese tour operator has a club on the 5th floor of the Regent Hotel where the group (all employees of a Japanese construction company) had a dinner and party with the girls. The number is in dispute but it is safe to say that there were over 300 service providers.
The guys were then advised by the tour operator how much to pay and how to get them back to the conference center hotel and up to the rooms. They pretty much arrived, en masse. What a #$%&^! scene that must have been.
Yes, they paid way too much. It was reported that prices were over $200 per girl.
It brings a new meaning to employee benefits, though. See my recent post on the Zhuhai board to see how I had deal with my Japanese wife first thing in the morning after the big news...Jeeze!
Tinybobo1002
10-04-03, 22:40
Kabuchiko:
I will be visiting sz as well for about 10 days from November 6. Would you mind me joining you for a day or two for safety reasons? Email me at tatyu@yahoo.com.hk, and we will talk about the details.
To OldAianHand or anyone else: from a newbie,
>The best deals for Shenzhen hotels will come from a local China
>travel agent. I am not sure about tennis courts, but you can get
>a reasonable 4-star hotel for less than US$50.
>
>Why don't you try to strike up some quick contacts in one of the
>chatrooms to find a lady to show you around. I do not think the
>pros will have the patience or inclination.
Which 4 start hotel can you get for $50 in Shenzhen. I might be going there in Dec 2003 or March 2004. Or give me the name of a local China Travel agent.
Which chatroom are you talking about since I might be going there by myself. Would like to meet someone (girl) or hook up with someone on this board and show me around. I speak a liitle Cantonese and understand about 80% of it. I am "whatyoumaycall" an ABC.
Weelock
OldAsiaHand
10-05-03, 07:11
Shenzhen appears to be unaffected by the Zhuhai incident, at least at my favorite area of BBS in Futian. It was business as usual yesterday, abeit I did get over there a bit early and some of the shops were not open yet.
I wandered off the beaten path and found one stand alone shop with only 3 girls. One of them struck my fancy with that sweet and innocent look so I decided to give it a go. Strike out! Went upstairs for the massage and that was all I got. She would not let me play at all, not even a complete HJ. All I could manage was some rubbing which she reluctantly did with a look of fear on her face. Waste of time and 25RMB, but she was cute.
Disappointed and still horny, I went back to my normal hunting grounds and took a tall girl from Chongqing. Service was excellent, but I finished too quick after the last girl got me excited without a finish. Seems to be a problem for me lately. Is it the age?
OAH
P.S. I will check out the Jusco area later this afternoon.
OldAsiaHand
10-06-03, 04:09
Hooked up last night with Lucky888 and another longtime WSG lurker who promised to post a report this time.
We explored the area behind Jusco. I have to admit that the overall quality of the talent is declining in this area compared with Futian (my other normal hunting ground) where the quality appears to be on the rise, and many new shops are opening up.
After a market survey, the lurker decided to try the infamous #21. Actually, I told her she was famous and she agreed wholeheartedly!
I have been trying to nail this mamasan in one shop for awhile and she finally agreed, however, she refused to do so in front of all her girls. She owns three shops in the area. She did give me her mobile # and said she would meet me outside.
Anyway, after a long negotiation process with the mamasan, I was running out of time since Lucky and the lurker had already started. I ended up with a complete dead log from another shop. One of those BBBJWSP (with spitting; new abbreviation for Jackson to add?) and asking if it was enough every 1-2 minutes, followed by just laying there without a sound. Total strike out! I won't even rate her.
OAH
I have a couple questions for the pundit of the ShenZhen's mongering scenes.
Background: A friend and I are going to ShenZhen and Sanya (HaiNan) for some much needed vacation in early December this year. Since this will be our first trip to ShenZhen and after lurking around this forum since August (building up a lot of expectations), we really don't want to be disappointed. My friend and I are both in our 20s but we are not new to the mongering hobby.
Questions:
1. Is December a good time to go to ShenZhen and Sanya, or has all the girls gone home for the holidays?
2. For a first timer to ShenZhen, what's the one place (easy to find, good quality girls, certainy of getting boinked) we should go?
3. Which hotel has the best massage service with extras (hopefully more than a HJ)?
4. Is it worthwhile to check out KTVs?
5. Any good places in Sanya for action?
I am getting excited about this trip just writing these questions.
Thanks!
- Grey
OAH
Wow #21 is now famous, I should ask her for a favor. I await lurkers post to see his impressions. As for handjobs, let me know if you want the directions to my HJ place. It is a bit far from you but not so bad. It is in a real run down area but the shop is not bad. Girls seem nice also. What do you want for 35 RMB and 1 hour? A few small shops near by provide FS but quality only 'puton de' (common) class.
I visited the big rack shop and was a bit taken by a cutie there. 19 and kind of nice. Oh and had a nice rack. Sex was a bit limited on technique but was still good. I give her a 9.5 on good facial expressions at just the right time. I plan to go back and help her with technique practice some time maybe get a mobile before she goes back to HaiNian.
tz
Financial disclosure: I paid her 200 rmb, 150 + 50 tip for good facial expressions
Tangzhen, you had to have been there when OAH said to #21, in english "you're famous" and she said back, without hesitation, "Wo zhi dao." A near priceless moment. Sadly the best moment of the excursion for me.
I took a cute 21y.o. girl in one shop (which one I cannot recall) for the standard rmb150 all-in. Her service was unenthusiastic and barely functional...I mean, I'm not even 30 years old and I could hardly keep it up, despite her 38" rack and naturally smooth pussy.
I agree with OAH that last night the Jusco area quality was much lower than in Futian. Interest also seemed very low; most girls didn't even look up as we passed by. Many were too busy on their mobiles, and a couple were even counting the money in their wallets, no joke.
OldAsiaHand
10-07-03, 15:19
TangZhen,
I reckon I've tried the same Hainan girl in the rack shop. Has short hair? I found the service to be average too, but the body and the rack made up for it. It's been a couple of months, but if I remember correctly, I did post a report. Just curious if she is one and the same?
OAH
Greg H.
Check out some of the recent posts concerning hotels and prices for the Shenzhen area. December won't be bad since most Chinese don't celebrate Christmas.
Unless you or your friend speaks Chinese, or are with a friend that speaks the language, you will have a so-so to bad time at the KTV clubs. That is unless you go to the ones frequented by foreigners. Even then it will be hit and miss.
If you are by yourselves and looking for girls to talk too, try Shekou. It's about 40 minutes away but dozens of small (mostly empty) bars with girls using strong arm tactics to get you inside. The cost for the girls is more than downtown, but it depends on what you are after.
Otherwise you can always get a mommy to find you a girl downtown a block or so from the train station. Be very careful since there are scams. Personally I'd never go with a male pimp, only a lady that I've had experience with before.
Sanya:
I go to Hainan from time to time, but never Sanya. More girls are to be found in Haikou. Choose Sanya if you want the beach, things to see and do and a girl. Choose Haikou if you don't give a rip about the sights and are concentrating on the girls.
OAH
Could be the same one, seems to fit the description. Service was not bad, just not as good as you can get elsewhere. We may need to finally get together again and confirm.
Your lurker is continueing to lurk and not post on the now famous #21.
tz
Tangzhen,
Could you give some details and directions to your hj place? 35rmb includes the hj?
Thanks,
Tangent
Diamondrod
10-08-03, 13:12
Hi all,
I am new here in Shenzhen. Can someone briefly introduce the 'action' areas? Or maybe we can go mongering sometime? Any assistance will be appreciated.
Thank you so much.
Tangent
Yes the 35 RMB is 'bao fei' It is off the beaten path. Get a taxi and ask for "jing tian bei, jian kong zhong xin' which is the traffic monitoring center on jin tian street north.
Near by you should find a McDonalds, go there first. Next go to KFC, which is close by, pass it and turn left on the next street. It gets a bit run down here. Walk about 150 meters, to the next street and turn left again. Note it is a real street I am talking about and not a back alleyway. Down the street about 30 meters and you should find a barber shop that is painted a purple/red color on the left, glass window with curtain. That is the place. There are a few other shops near by that might have services.
I tried the rack shop to see if my last post girl knew OAH but she was no in so they got me to take a rackless girl who was OK on service but not special. Named Zhou. Nice and weighted about 80 lbs soaking wet.
OAH talked a bit to the rack shop owner. To make sure we are talking the same place, is the owner a bit short, with long hair and kind of a round face with a big rack?
Rptman, this Shekou. Can you describe this neighborhood? Is it meant for industry and not tourism? Why is it filled with empty bars? Or is it just a bit off the remote end, not as accessible?
I'm wondering should I get a hotel there, or get it around Futian.
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OldAsiaHand
10-09-03, 03:45
Kabukicho,
Shekou is basically a residential and commercial district, however, there is some industry there. There is the largest concentration of expats in Shenzhen area living there, thus there are several bars and restaurants catering to them. The NanHai hotel is a nice hotel on the bay just around the corner. I stayed there for a meeting a couple of years ago and there were girls even prowling the halls in the the hotel. I paid 600RMB all night, but a friend just told me he paid 400RMB a couple of weeks ago.
IMHO, as rptman has suggested, if you need English language skills, this area is good. Otherwise, I reckon Luo Hu or Futian are better for a larger selection of talent.
OAH
SeattleGman
10-09-03, 07:13
OAH
I will be in Shenzhen early next week. Do you have any tips or contacts that are reliable for overnight service? My experience in Shenzhen has been that girls say they will stay and after 2 shots they want to leave. Never had an overnighter in Shenzhen, but would like to without the hassle. What is the going price range for overnight?
I went to a place called 'Er Gung Lien' which is on the way to 'Feng Gang' and just before 'Yan Tien'. I post it here since it's still 0755 area, should be RMB 60-80 by taxi, will take 30 Minutes from Lowu.
Just of the main road is the street with about 6 or so 'barber shops'. All have plenty (5-15) of gals visible from the street.
I went into one shop which I saw last time. I did not clearly understand the price they quote (this could have been a grave error on my part!).
Anyway, they just told me to chose a gal. I went for a friendly looking one, not a stunner at all. I gave up to select the cutest, or prettiest. It's no point if they follow you reluctantly and give bad service.
They got many small room which are 'grotty' at best. There is no shower I would dare to go into. In the room then the gal told me massage with HJ is RMB 30 and that the don't do FS in that place (you are joking, eh?). After I got up and wanted to go she said, OK, she can do it, but want to see my dick first. After that it was OK and she went into it...
She demanded that I rub her pussy and she got quite wild. In the end it was a really good fuck! One of the best I had in China so far!
I gave her RMB 200 and that was it for the day.
Wanna try? The places number is 0755/2845 3236 - the gals was #13
OldAsiaHand
10-09-03, 14:27
SeattleGman,
I am not the guy to ask about LT in SZ since I live here now and never get the opportunity unfortunately. However, friends tell me it runs the gambit from 400-500 for SW to over 2,000 for KTV girls. I do know from personal experience it is 800RMB in Dongguan. I have had similar experience with girls wanting to leave before morning, however, I am usually a ST guy anyway, and prefer to sleep alone, especially if I am working next day.
Good Luck!
OAH
P.S. If you want to hook-up when you are in town backchannel me at oldasiahand2003@yahoodotcom.
Hi OAH,
Do you find the quality of KTV girls generally much better then SW?
CC1024
Hi Kabukicho, just want to give you my 2 cents. Shekou is just a bunch of bars with girls who speaks some English. You will find very few Chinese guys there because the costs are high. You go there with friends, buys the girls a few drinks, feel them up a little and if you want to pay 500rmb and up, you can take the girl back to your hotel for short time. I would get a room at Futian area where there are more girls and more things to do. If you need more help, ask OAH who is an expert in Shenzhen and Futian area.
OldAsiaHand
10-10-03, 05:04
CC1024,
IMHO, the overall appearance quality of KTV girls is far better than SW. However, I am usually able to find a gem on the street with patience and persistence. Same applies to BBS, a lot of marginal stuff, but can normally find a diamond in the rough.
Having said all that, I have had several bad experiences with KTV girls. Some of them do not go out, some of them do not do western guys at the same price, or at all, and many of them give poor service, especially the stunners.
Give me the 150RMB ST anyday! At least if I strike out the first time up , I can just take another chance at the plate without too much damage on my wallet.
OAH
Will look you up "OldAsiaHand" when I get to Shenzhen and Marcu within the next 3 to 6 months. Hope you have time and can show me around.
Kabuchio - Yes, OAH and csun have told you right. I mentioned this to the other guy because it appeared he was looking for a place where you could 'chat up' the ladies at a bar. Shekou is great for that if you don't mind buying them lady drinks (as in Wan Chi districk of HK). I have stayed at the Nan Hai hotel due to business reasons and it is fine and friendly to guests (as long as you escort them in).
In fact the Nan Hai has girls working their lounge. I had the pleasure of two of the girls that worked there a couple of years ago.
However, OAH and csun are right that if you are looking for action outside the bar scene, ya gotta go downtown, Futian and experience the girls there. They are at least half the cost and a darn site prettier. Ya gotta know some Chinese, have a friend that does, or look like you do.
Thanks OAH for the insight. I have stayed at Shenzhen many times, usually at PangLin hotel. I have never really seen any SW around the hotel when I walk around. But I will look out for them next time.
I am usually by myself when I am in Shenzhen, so KTV scene is out of the question and risky specially I don't know and have not been to any of them.
Sounds like street scene is somewhat safe, so I will try that next trip.
Thanks
CC1024
cc1024 - Also go across the street to the Sunshine hotel. By dark there is usually 6 - 12 ladies looking for action. You can find them between the front parking lot of the Sunshine down to where Mcdonalds is. I've noticed a few hanging around in McDonalds as well, but not on a regular basis.
Most of the SW are so-so. However, I've had two that were really pretty, albeit one had a bad attitude (good looking and she knew it).
I have just gone to the hair shops in Futian area and all of them are closed because of the High Tech Exhibition held in Shenzhen this week. Those hair shop owner tell me that they will need to be closed for a few days.
OAH and all,
I've been lurking for a while, and I am finally leaving in a few days for my extended trip in Asia. So I figured I better ask a few more final questions before I go:
After reading all the posts, I'm getting more and more ambitious. You might recall I asked about doing SZ during a one-day layover in HK, and OAH indicated that it was very do-able.
Now that I've read the posts on Dongguan as well as some Chinese sites on Dongguan, I'm thinking may be I can head up there? I'll be in HK for a one-day layover in December, arriving around 3 pm and leaving around 4 pm next day. Is Dongguan do-able? Is it even worth my effort? I'm looking for the BBS type, and no KTV for this budget monger.
Also, any recommendation for hotel in SZ and Dongguan in the RMB 250-350 range?
Thanks.
Diver
OldAsiaHand
10-12-03, 01:04
diver69:
Dongguan is even easier than SZ. Most of the trains from HK to GZ have a stop in ChangPing. You get the train at Kowloon Station. You can take the airport express and transfer.
All the hotels in Chanping are in the 230-350 range, but there are less possibilities in that range in SZ for the same quality.
Having said all that DG is really a KTV place. There are BBS, but not as many or as good as SZ IMHO.
OAH
Diver69,
I would not recommand DongGuan for 1 day trip since the bus ride takes quite a few hours.
CC1024
Actually the train from Shenzhen to Dongguan Changping will only take you 30 minutes.
OldAsiaHand:
Actually the quantity and quality of those hair shop gals in Changping is much better than those in Shenzhen.
SeattleGman
10-12-03, 16:55
OAH -
Thanks for extending the offer. I am with others in SZ so it probably will not be possible this time to hook up for some mongering. If I were to have extended time alone in SZ, I'd take you up on it! Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I read below that the BBS's are closed down temporarily due to the High Tech fair. That is a bummer, I was looking forward to trying them out. I'll just have to cruise the usual route near the Panglin tonight.
"OAH
P.S. If you want to hook-up when you are in town backchannel me at oldasiahand2003@yahoodotcom."
Thanks OAH and CC,
I'm off in about 24 hrs. I think I'll stick with SZ instead of venturing to Dongguan. May be I'll save DG for my next trip.
Would you guys like to hhok up and go hunt together for a day/night in December? I know it's quite ahead in advance I'm planning, but I'll be on the road and not sure how often I'll get to check the forum and my messages.
E-mail if you would like to play tour guide for a day.
my e-mail is
diver69a@hotmaildotcom
Hope to see y'all in China
Diver
Thank you gents for all the information.
Are there any big discos anywhere in SZ that can be mentioned that one could just get lost in for a night.
EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions for capitalization and punctuation. To avoid future delays, please refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. Thanks!
OldAsiaHand
10-13-03, 04:21
Storm Cat,
I am interested in the locations of the BBS in ChangPing. I have roamed around a bit in the center of town. I found a few shops with average talent in them. Quoted me 300RMB ST. Is there a more concentrated area like you can find in SZ? What is the going rate for the girls?
I was taken to one BBS in ChangPing a couple of years ago with Vietnamese girls. I tried to find the place on my own recently without success. Do you know the place?
Thanks.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
10-13-03, 04:23
S Wheelock/diver69,
Just drop me an email to let me know when you will be in town. I am always looking for an excuse to do some mongering.
OAH
OldAsiaHand:
Those BBS in ChangPing (CP) different from those in Shenzhen as they hide inside residential building. They dun have sign or any shop name and therefore difficult to find.
The normal price for have a gal for a short session in CP is Rmb250 and Rmb500-600 for keeping the gal overnite.
OAH, can you provide the location/directions to "The Twin Sisiters" shop? Will be in Shenzhen next month and would like to give it a try. Thanks!
OldAsiaHand
10-16-03, 15:23
Mistalava,
Since there are so many shops in that area, it is difficult to describe the exact location. It's on the last lane in from Jusco before you hit the next road, more towards the east side. I hope that helps.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
10-16-03, 15:26
Storm Cat,
How can I find the shops in the residential buildings? The ones I've been to were open to the street, albeit not the main road. I also paid 500RMB LT for those Vietnamese girls. Excellent service, far better than your average DG KTV girl.
OAH
Bob Builder
10-16-03, 17:39
The twin sisters.
OldAsiaHand
10-17-03, 04:27
I drove by the Futian BBS yesterday. They are still closed. Today is the last day of the fair. I hope they open by tomorrow for my weekend mongering.
OAH
OldAsiaHand,
Please tell me where you have found Vietnamesee girls in Shenzhen. I was sure their would be some.
OAH, thanks. I'm sure I can find it now that I am pointed iin the right direction. The hunt is half the fun, anyway.
Dodgy Fellow
10-17-03, 21:32
Question for the veteran mongers here. I sometimes get little call cards at my apartment advertising for massage services, complete with pictures of scantily clad women. Are these legitimate "pay for lay" services? Has anyone ever tried them, and would you recommend them?
OldAsiaHand
10-18-03, 11:46
Erik.
The Vietnamese girls were in DG, not in Shenzhen.
OAH
SeattleGman
10-19-03, 02:00
I went to some BBS's last week during the show near the Panglin and they were open. Prices were cheap, but they were real shit-holes. The girls were okay, but not top grade. The prices I got were 200RMB for 1 girl and another place got 300RMB for 2. Service was acceptable. As you are leaving the Panglin, you go accross the street toward the department store, to the first street and take a left. All the BBS's are in there. Didn't have any problem with the two I saw.
Diamondrod
10-19-03, 14:16
Dear All,
I am thinking about mongering in the Shekou area. Any recommendations?
Thanks!
DR
All Nite Long
10-19-03, 19:27
This is my first post in this forum. I was in Shenzhen last month and got some great help from OHA. OHA, thanks for all the detail postings on the barbershops. I mostly hung out in the barbershops behind Jusco in Futian area. The price has gone up from the 150~200Y ST that many people have posted. For some OK looking girls I paid 200Y in the tiny room upstairs but some better looking girls insisted on 300Y in the room upstairs!!! I am Chinese American and speak fluent Mandarin but I still couldn't bargain down the price!!! There was this 19 yr old at a barbershp right behind Jusco but facing Jusco that was just perfect : 5-4, small frame but not too skinny, C-cup with pink nipples, her number was #16 & her name is Shiao Sio (address: Futian Area, Puway Tsuen #50, tel: 25943572) I suppose if you find it if you look for #50 on the street.
Ya, what is up with the rising prices?
OldAsiaHand
10-20-03, 03:55
SeattleGman,
Talking about shit-holes, you should have seen that area when they were putting in the new sewers! I think you would like the Futian and/or Jusco areas better. They have a higher quality of talent and cleaner accomodation. On the other hand, why did you not just take them back to your hotel?
OAH
Superforce99
10-20-03, 04:11
After getting a top recommendation about the "top floor services",
I tried to take a friend to the Dongguan Sheraton yesterday
but found out that it was about a 1 hour(!) 150 RMB taxi ride
from the Dongguan train station! Shit! Does anyone know a faster
way to this hotel? Did I get off at the wrong train stop? Luckily,
nearby Shenzhen beckoned...
Went to the "boys' candyland" that is the Futian shops, but all/99%
were closed. There were a couple of random ones open, but
basically, mongers will have to wait a couple more days in my
opinion.
But on a brighter note, there were a couple of the "young girls"
shops open. These shops generally feature younger girls, about
18 (they say) and 16 (they look). These shops are to the left of
the Walmart on Fuxing Road if you are looking forward and the
Walmart is behind you. Hard to give exact descriptions but you
have to explore all the little alleys to the left. Found about 5 or
6 that were open with quality ranging from 5-8. My friend and
I ended up taking two cuties. Good time, playful, 150 RMB each.
Sorry to keep it short, but I feel if I don't post these basic details
now, I'm not going to have time later and/or forget. Overall:
Face: 8/10, very cute, like that hot sophomore you always wondered about in high school...
Body: 8/10, petite about 5', 90 lbs, but nice "fist-sized breasts"
Service: 7/10, nice...slow...friendly...playful...BBBJ and CFS
Overall: 7.5/10, very nice and relaxing, fun time with a little cutie
After that, headed out to Jusco area. Again, many shops are
closed, but more are open than in the Futian area. The infamous
fire/ice girl was actually MIA, too. Did some exploring and found
a great "tall girl" shop. My goodness, every girl must have been
at least 1.65 meters tall (about 5'6) with nice slim sexy bodies.
OAH, you would love this place but you MUST have seen it
already, as it isn't hidden or anything. The shop is the first BBS
coming into one of the alleyways. Sorry, no recognizable landmark
I could see. Was about to choose a tall, scrumptious cutie but
the wife calls and wants to meet for dinner. D'oh!
Johnny
SeattleGman
10-21-03, 23:07
That was my first experience in the BBS's so I didn't know they were available for take out. Heck, for the price, I shouldn't complain. I drove by the Futian Walmart of the way out of Shenzhen. I didn't realize the Walmart was within close walking distance from the Panglin. The streets were almost non-existent of SW's. I did see a few, but they were low profile. I'm back in the states now trying to think how I can get back to China soon as possible. Also my host took us to the Sauna near next door to the Chinese Cultural Center. What a waste of time. No fun at all. They must have got busted or something because they had open windows looking into all the rooms. No FS that I know of from a previous visit, but we did get a HJ which I think most offer. Anyways, hope to someday go mongering with you. Thanks for your advice.
"SeattleGman,
Talking about shit-holes, you should have seen that area when they were putting in the new sewers! I think you would like the Futian and/or Jusco areas better. They have a higher quality of talent and cleaner accomodation. On the other hand, why did you not just take them back to your hotel?
OAH"
OldAsiaHand
10-22-03, 04:53
SeattleGMan,
If the WalMart you are talking about is walking distance, it cannot be the one in Futian to which I refer. It is around 10 minutes by car from the Panglin. There are several WalMarts in SZ.
Am not surprised streets were quiet. Seems to be a bit of a crackdown last week due to the High Tech Fair in town. I am hoping things return to normal soon!
Catch you next time.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
10-22-03, 04:57
"OAH, you would love this place but you MUST have seen it
already, as it isn't hidden or anything. The shop is the first BBS
coming into one of the alleyways. Sorry, no recognizable landmark
I could see."
Johnny,
I cannot place this particular shop. Coming in from which side? Jusco or the side streets? I will try to get over there this week to take a look.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
10-22-03, 05:11
All Nite Long,
I have noticed some of the girls asking for more lately, but I seem to still be able to get it for 150RMB ST in most shops. If the service is exceptionally good, I may give her an extra 50RMB. This may be because I am a regular customer or maybe since I do not negotiate upfront, just give the girl the money afterwards in a manner like, "Hey, I know the price."
As in any negotiation, you need to appear like you will walk. This also works for me if they start to talk money first, or if they refuse to do BBBJ.
Having said all that, I do hope that our fellow WSG mongers are not paying too much. Yes, it is still cheap by USA or European standards, but it is the going rate here.
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
10-22-03, 05:13
Diamondrod,
There have been several posts, including my own, regarding the scene in Shekou. I suggest you read through the thread first and if you have specific questions, I am happy to answer them.
OAH
Superforce99
10-22-03, 16:55
OAH,
The shop is on a side street, not facing the Jusco. I think it is first alleyway if you keep walking on the street opposite the Jusco and follow it as it bends around the block. Lots of little shops selling construction stuff and if you are facing the alleyway, directly behind you to the right would be a building construction going on. I'll show you the next time I'm personally there....
Where's your "Hubei fluke" report??! ;)
Johnny
OldAsiaHand
10-23-03, 02:57
i am considering to revoke all my previous comments regarding hubei girls. i had a near gfe experience with one yesterday. maybe it was a fluke so i will try one more time before i decide.
the vast majority of my favorite futian shops are still shut down. i am beginning to think it is a license issue, rather than the fair last week. only time will tell.
since choices were limited, i went to one shop that i have been boycotting lately since the mamasan is from hubei and has a "don't look in my shop if you are not going to do one of my girls!" attitude. most of her girls are from hubei with the same attitude and not that great looking anyway.
i saw one girl in the back of the shop that i had never seen before so i decided to give it a go. we went upstairs and i asked where she was from.."hubei". i considered bailing at this point but remembered most other places were closed.
to my surprise, this was one of the best experiences i have had in shenzhen. it has to be good for me to break my no daty rule. i gave her the 150rmb and not even a peep of complaint. i gave her another 50rmb just for good measure. i am even considering going away for a weekend with her. have i lost my head?
looks: 8/10
body: 9/10
service: 9/10
attitude: 10/10
oah
Visited Shenzhen in early October. Spent the first night in Dongguan Yijing Holiday Resort, I don't know exactly where it was, but it's about an hour north (I think) of Shenzhen. Where I come from we would call it a brothel. I didn't see any hotel there, just a big KTV surrounded by apartments. 488 RMB for double room, fairly good standard. Girls were very nice, I would say average 8-8.5. Slim, friendly, looked healthy. I brought two of them back to my apartment. Had sex with both of them, I let one of them leave after 1 hour or so. I asked the other one to leave after 3-4 hours as I prefer to sleep alone. She insisted on giving me her phone number before she left. Payed them RMB 800 each, I was told the girls kept 300RMB.
Next day I headed south to Shenzhen, Baoan district and checked into Capital Plaza Hotel (5 star), 950-1000RMB for room with Queen size bed. A KTV is next to the hotel , maybe it was a part of the hotel because when you leave the KTV you can go straight to the lift on the second floor without even passing the reception and security on the first floor. Again, very nice girls and the price was RMB800/night. There was some sort of cabaret there, one of the dancers was a pure 10. I don't think she could be hired though.
South China is a great place for sex, far better than Beijing, but the place I were was just too crowded and polluted so for most people there's no reason to go there.
Hello all, Hi OAH,
I was out of SZ for a good month and since I have returned have not opted to monger. (I have local on call friends when the need...arises).
Last night I was walking with my friend behind Justco...there were some hot girls in some of the shops. We kept walking and my friend said do I want to know where I can get really cheap service. I was afraid to know but was curious to see where it was. In between Book City and the next cross street there is another set of alleyways. Very dark with no BBS's. There are upper 20's to mid 30's SW hanging out in the alleys and they whistle to you as you walk by trying to get your attention. I would not feel comfortable walking there myself. My friend tells me 50RMB! I might have to be fairly drunk and in need but its there for those wanting to know.
OAH,
I told my friend about you and he said if you want to go with us to "Jackie Chan's" just let us know. The area is near a nice massage parlor/foot massage place called Jin Di Garden.
LA
OldAsiaHand
10-24-03, 03:07
LoveAsia,
Welcome Back!
I would be careful with those 50RMB SW. Sounds like some of the set-ups targeted at HK guys in Shenzhen that were in the papers recently. I suppose it would be OK if you take them to your place or get a quick BJ in some back alley or your car, but I would never follow them to their place.
Just drop me a note when you want to go to 428 at oldasiahand2003@yahoodotcom.
OAH
Superforce99
10-25-03, 02:44
OAH,
Hubei girl?? DATY?? What's the mongering world coming to???
Johnny
This is from another board I just passing the info on:
Guna Zhou.
A friend of mine just returned from ZH. He said police are cracking down real hard. They do check up in the middle of the night knocking on hotel rooms door and waking people up to see if there are any unlawful activities in the room.
They are doing this to 3, 4 and 5 star hotel. Some of these are undercover police from the central province, outside of ZH, so they don't care about disrupting hotel business. Just want to clean house.
If they find unlawful activity, the girl get sent to education camp for 6 months. The guy may get drag into jail and have to pay fine of up to 10,000 rmb. Not sure if foreigners are exempt from going to jail.
Be careful out there, and keep low profile.
mpfsloverIt might be a BAD, BAD time to go over to Guandong because of the Japanese orgy. At least for a few months. On the Zhu Hai side board, someone said they are really cracking down in ALL hotel. Knocking on doors late at night in 3,4 5 stars hotel. Arresting Chinese Girls in the streets.
To support what your Sauna friend said on crossing borders and lack of SW, I found this webpage:
http://fpeng.peopledaily.com.cn/200309/27/eng20030927_125049.shtml
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To help fight cross-border crime, senior police officers from Guangdong Province, Hong Kong and Macao special administrative regions held a conference from September 24 to 26 in the city of Foshan in the province to step up co-ordination in cracking down on cross-border and secret society-related crimes.
The officers exchanged views and information on fighting crimes in the three regions and expressed their resolve to get such crimes under control.
Zheng Shaodong, deputy director-general of the Guangdong Provincial Bureau of Public Security, said Guangdong will never be allowed to become a haven for overseas criminals.
Organized crime, secret gangs, drugs, commercial crimes, computer network crimes, forged documents and cross-border prostitution were the major topics of their discussion during the conference.
Despite their different social systems, the three parties all want to ensure stable social order to better serve economic growth, Zheng said.
And police from the three areas will support and co-operate more with their counterparts in dealing with crimes involved into the three regions, Zheng added.
In a campaign titled "Dawn" which ran from September 15 to 24, Guangdong police investigated 13,161 criminal cases, detaining 7,490 suspects. (China Daily)
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LoveAsia:
I agree that 50 RMB will either get you a really poor lay, or a whole load of problems, maybe a poor BJ. I can get a good HJ for 35 so that low cost can get you something. I will scout the area if the opportunity presents itself, which is often does. I am very selective on areas, and will always (unless chaparoned by OAH) scout an area 2 or 3 times before making any purchase. Even then it does not always work out, (read my post on a shouting match in the ceiling while being nude). I know the area a little as it is 5 minutes walk from the big rack shop - which has been staffed by small racks these days :-( which indicates that
1) services are in the area
2) competition for like services would be like priced
Can you provide any additional direction. Behind I believe is the SunAsia entertainment mall and some apartments. I have walked the area a bit and did not notice anything much. What time would they be out? I scout during the day or afternoon, but tend to stick to scouted areas at night.
I agree with Johnny, and have only now gotten over speachlessness of the OAH bombshell - Daty on a Hubei girl. AhMeiTowFo (merciful Buddah) it must be a sign! The end may be near!
TangZhen
I may be in the area tomorrow and will look for landmarks. I walked there with my friend and night and I suspect thats when there is action to be had.
In an earlier post I had mentioned about a few BBS in an alley near where I live (along with other respectabel businesses). I do have a better description as to how to find it now. If you go to Hong Gui Road (the Great Wall Hotel in there between Hong Ling and Bao-an nan road). If you cross the street from the Great Wall Hotel and head towards Boa-an road, you will see some mobile phone shops. The first alley entrance after the mobile phone shops make a right. Head up until you have to make a left turn and there will be 2 BBS after the dry cleaner on the right. Further up on the left and one bigger place on the right you will see some more. Some of the girls look pretty descent. The last BBS in this alley as you are approaching Bao-an road look pretty good too.
OAH, about time I gave better directions, no? BTW, if you take the 428 minibus it will take you to the area I call Jackie Chans. Tell the driver you want to get out at Jin Di Garden. When you get out, cross the street away from Jin Di Garden (a nice foot massage, regular massage place..offers a happy ending too). I have not made it there since I am back but am told the streets are PACKED with young, hot babes. Just crusie the alleys there...I promise you will not be disappointed with the quaility.
Not sure if I am going to leave the circuit for awhile. I have been blessed with new lady friends this past week, giving me some of the best sex and fun that I have seen in a long while. The newest one might even be in the running for (surpressing the gag reflex) gf.
Will post more about new finds soon.
LA
[QUOTE] From LoveAsia
OAH, about time I gave better directions, no? BTW, if you take the 428 minibus it will take you to the area I call Jackie Chans. Tell the driver you want to get out at Jin Di Garden. When you get out, cross the street away from Jin Di Garden (a nice foot massage, regular massage place..offers a happy ending too). I have not made it there since I am back but am told the streets are PACKED with young, hot babes. Just crusie the alleys there...I promise you will not be disappointed with the quaility.
[/OUOTE]Sorry I'm new to Shenzhen. Will be going there within 3 to 6 months. What distict are you talking about.
1. Shekou, north south east west ?
2. Futian " " " "
3. Luohu " " " "
4. Longgang Town
If it's not listed what area is it.
Thanks.
John Siron
10-27-03, 12:54
Was in Shenzhen a couple weeks ago. Went to a KTV bar called Freedom. The girl I had wanted 2000RMB to go home with me. I said that was way too much so she restated again at 1500RMB. I still told her that was way too much! We ended up staying at the KTV the rest of the night instead with my friends.
Is 1500 too much for FS from a KTV girl? She was in the 9's for the looks and body department.
[QUOTE][From John Siron10-27-03
The girl I had wanted 2000RMB to go home with me. I said that was way too much so she restated again at 1500RMB[QUOTE]Hi John,
Sorry to ask you this but are you White, Chinese or foreign. Then about how old are you and are you OK in looks. This happen to my friend in Las Vegas.
IMHO, Basically you were was turn down like my friend. My friend was kind of short and a geek. You might want a friend to ask for the same girl and see if he is quote the same price of 2000RMB. It's more of a polite way of saying NO to you.
You might want to inquire what are the other girls at the KTV are charging. Were you by yourself or had friends with you. If your friends were all quote about 2000RMB, it is still high. You might want to ask user OldAsiaHand. I think he lives in Shenzhen.
I have heard after picking a KTV girls, she might NOT sleep with you if she doesn't like you. She might sing, talk and drink with you and that is it. She will also hit (slap) you if you touch her in the wrong area. They are more picky. Unlike some saunas or SW.
OldAsiaHand
10-28-03, 11:44
Wow...my 300th post!
IMHO, the ZH fiasco has triggered a spillover crackdown, at least from what I can see in Shenzhen and Guangzhou. I'm told (I cannot read Chinese) that there was a recent story in the local newspaper that over 300 shops have been closed in SZ. Futian shops are still playing it low key with only the small doors open.
Just back from GZ, where a cruise of the usual SW areas last night yielded almost no results and LE were everywhere. Could have been the trade fair but I do not remember it so heavy in previous years.
This is really starting to get annoying!
OAH
OldAsiaHand
10-28-03, 11:46
John Siron,
Those prices are not that uncommon for the "top of the line" in Shenzhen KTV.
OAH
BlnkNameCruiser
10-28-03, 11:56
Damn.. that is some crazy prices... that is why I never go to KTV unless my mafia friends take me. they get "discounts" for some reason.. ;-) we pay like 200 to the house and 200 to the girls.
I guess I am lucky. I cant handle spending 2k on some girl.
blanknamecruiser
Hi Fellow Mongers!
I have been "out of of action" for couple of months but coming back to SZ next week. Good to be back!
OAH, I sent you email. Hope we can get together.
As for the 2000 RMB, this is real rip off! I was in the new fnacy Sheraton Dongguan ktv when they first opened and they demanded 1500 rmb for all night and 1000 for short time. The girls weren't really worth it... Anyway I picked up my current ktv girlfriend there and I gave her 1000 rmn for all night. Going rate in DG/SZ is 600 to 800 rmb for short time and 800 to 1000 for all nighter.
That said, best deal I got was to live "together" with ktv girlfriend... I gave her USD400 for 10 days then USD400 and laptop for 20 days. She got quite antsy and wanted to go back to work on our 3rd week though. I even fell in love and many of you like OAH and Moody consoled me. Lesson learned is that it's all about money. So work out a package deal of you find a girls you really like being mindful that you and her may fall in love. :(
Later!
Fellow Mongers,
Is it really that bad in SZ area? I toured the Futian Walmart and Jusco couple of times thanks to OAH and must say thoroughly enjoyed the eye feast and of course the pleasure of finding a cuti for good times.
I mean there are routine crackdowns... I remember the last one just before CNY this year where even the customers were getting arrested and I was told not to even go near and that lasted upto CNY then SARS hit. My ktv GF said she needs to make lots of money because most ktv girls had little work due to CNY and SARS. But this seems like seasonal thing and that latest crackdown should abate somewhat...
Of course my concern is that I'm returning next week and thought of not being able to enjoy the local girls is damping my enthusiasm... :(
RE: $2000 per night.. That is what happen when inrush of outsiders to the area, so no they know they can ask "crazy' price, and hey, there might just be a sucker that says 'Okay', reminds me of San Francisco Real estate prices :) - ask, you might just get it!.
RE: Futian / Jusco - I am going to have to try this this weekend! I have been reading everyone's post, and have to check it out!. Is weekend good to cruise?
RE: Crackdown - would be bummer that this crackdown thing last.
CC1024
OldAsiaHand
10-29-03, 05:33
Shenzhen Update:
I am pleased to report that it is finally back to business as usual at my favorite hunting grounds in Futian. It appears that the crackdown is finally over! All the shops are open and well stocked with talent.
OAH
To Old Asia Hand :
Remember my qestion last time, that you kindly answered ? Back on the subject, I have from a very reliable female source that there are definitly some in SZ. Seems they are in very discreet appartments, and not advertized by pimps, only relying on customer to customer communication, for obvious legal reasons. I would really appreciate if you had any info, should you come accross these appartment. Of course, you need to recognize them, as they would speak Chinese only and if asked where they come from, they would generally say that they come from Guangxi province. But as you are an old Asia hand, I have no doubt that you would recognize them. I can give you my email if you want to share info about them in China. Thanks.
OttoGraham
10-29-03, 17:48
I wanted to point out to everyone the ability to send Private Messages using the software on this site has now been activated. It works well.
However, there is no default "On" setting. You need to physically turn it on by following the instructions on the site.
-Uncle Otto
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OldAsiaHand
10-30-03, 04:59
Erik,
I will ask around and keep my eyes open around town. I am pretty sure I could spot them and they may not have fear of a westerner. I would love to find them myself. IMHO, some of the best service available in this part of the world. in Do you know what area the reputed apartments are supposed to be? Given the legal ramifications, maybe you should backchannel me any more specific details at oldasiahand2003atyahoodotcom.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
10-30-03, 05:02
CC1024,
Weekends are fine for Futian/Jusco, however, whenever I do see LE around Futian it has been on Sundays for some reason, although I am usually there more on weekends.
A few of us WSG mongers may get together this weekend. If you want to join us, send me an email with a contact.
Happy Hunting!
OAH
Superforce99
10-30-03, 06:13
Hey OAH,
What is the difference between an apartment place and Icy's setup?
Johnny
OldAsiaHand
10-30-03, 13:25
Johnny,
Erik is talking about Vietnamese girls. Speaking of which, we need to see if we can find that BBS with the Vietnamese girls in DG soon. We may just have to go and conduct some investigative research on our own. I can probably find the approximate area to start in. Erik, you are welcome to join us in the hunt.
OAH
NY Chinaman
10-30-03, 23:01
Hey OldAsiaHand,
If you guys want to hangout this weekend, let me know. I'll take you guys to this place I've discover in Dounggun. It is one the best if the not the best. I've been around for this type of activities for long time since I was 21 in the states, and I must say I was impressed with this place.
Here is the set up from the place:
Chinese high class vip club in;
a 5 stars hotel
hotel rooms are luxuris equal or even better than Shangri-La in HK
6 stories, 125 KTV rooms
600 girls for you to pick and chose, all 7's and up
one big stage right in the middle of club where there is a balcony from every VIP room you see shows and performance and even better - great make out area(it's dark)
the place cost $30 million USD to build, so safety and security is not an issue
Pricing (RMB);
KTV bills: around 400 per head(drinks,food,singing, and time you spend to get your hermoen raging)
girls: 2/5/8. meaning 200 to sit down with you, 500 for one shot and 800 over nite
hotel room: under400 per nite
Note: Some of you who is interested in this event, please remeber this no fast food nor quick BBS type of deal. It's a high calss joint where it cater to Chinese men who can afford to enjoy what ancient Chinese empreor used to be like. And you can easily have GFE type deal once you spend few hours of relax time in there.
I'm a Chinese American from NYC just got sent back to my motherland (currently in HK) from America by my company, so the price is not that bad consider I'm getting paid in USD. It's like you get a quick shot in Korean W house in NYC for $160 except I really love to spend that money each and every weekend. Most my KTV honey stopped charged me after one nite of great sex with me, just need to buy them some thing nice from Hong Kong whenever I need to park my love that nite. There are plenty girls who speaks good English for you English speaking boys out there. Don't worry about the language, that's why my company sent me back here to run the firm.
If you guys gone to this place, trust me, you would thank me and love me while you're in Southern China. Send me a private message via the WSG Forum's Private Messae system and we'll confirm the event.
OAH just sent you private message
CC1024
OldAsiaHand
10-31-03, 06:15
CC1024,
I did not get the message, but I had not enabled the private message function before. I have now so you can try again or send an email to me.
OAH
Oops, I just noticed that :)
Sorry, already private message you and also send message to you Yahoo account.
CC1024
BTW OHA,
Would love to joint you guys for night out on the town.
CC1024
IlleagleFun
10-31-03, 11:08
Hello Mongers!
Following is a report on Luohu (further down) and info on hotels.
Earlier there were some queries about hotels in Louhu. I am new to Shenzhen (living), but I stay at hotles out of convenience (as I am a ways from DT) and comfort.
First, I wish to thank all contributors, especially OAH. (I hope to email you on the chance you would be alright with another mongerer joining the fray).
Some have mentioned higher end places (Landmark and Shangri La, etc), but if you care for lower end places (for whatever reason... maybe get more bang for your buck, pun intendeed) I can give some info.
Recently I stayed at 2 places: Wah Chung International Hotel (Huazhong Guoji Jiudian...3041 Shennan Rd) and Shenzhen Guangxin Hotel... Renmin South Rd.
Both places are close to the action in Luohu. Both places were around 280 RMB (though they will tell you much higher), but I was even able to get a room at Guangxin Hotel for 200RMB during the week. Of course you have to understand that the amenities here are, let's just say there are none, but it served its purpose.
The first hotel (Wah Chung International), however, was not monger friendly. They had guards posted all night and upstairs they even made the girl sign in, which did not make either her or me happy.
The second hotel I had no problem whatsoever. Again, I don't know your preference, but if you want a low cost alternative, they are available.
Now I am a foreigner and I only know about 40 words in Chinese, but boy do they come in handy. Hotels will offer you prices, but by simply saying the word "zhekou" (sounds like dzur koe), chinese for discount, the price can drop dramatically.
I came here for a visit last January and fell in love with the place. Had 2 great LT experiences which convinced me I should work here. So far I have had trouble matching those experiences, but the hunt continues.
In Luohu, I walked the shops and found a girl (MeiMei), very beautiful, but not much of a lay. They pulled me in (literally, with much force....man some of those girls are strong) and I sat down. They saw foreigner and when I asked how much they said 500. Without hesitation I got up to walk away when they pulled me back down and asked how much... I said 150. After some chat, that's what we agreed upon.
Here's where I need help. The lady took 100 from me right away, then it was up for me to pay the girl, who later, of course, wanted more money. Do I have to pay up front??
Also, instead of doing it in the shop, she walks me around the narrow, dark, back alley ways and takes me up 5 flights of stairs to the room. I was getting real nervous here. I was at a real disadvantage here. Guys, is this normal to be taken to a room like this???
I looked around the room before she could close the door to make sure noone was there. Like I said, hot body, but a poor lay. I eneded up giving her 100 (so 200 total).
Another girl, again very sexy, agreed to do all night for 500. I was very happy until about 1:00 in the morning she points to the book in the hotel (the unfriendly hotel...Wah Chung International) that says no prostitution allowed. Yeah, if I had a dime for every hotel I've seen that before). She also claims she's hungry and wants to go. After about 20 minutes of BS, I tell her to just get out (in my very broken English) and I give her 400, though she still bitched about 500. Though I was with her for 3 hours. 400 was still way too much.
At the end, her beauty got my wrong head thinking and she made nice and convinced me to go have dinner. I was hungry and happy to eat, but I'm sure you can guess who paid for dinner.
This is already too long. Hope to have many stories in the future. It's great to be in Shenzhen. Planning a quick trip to Macua shortly. Hope to see some of you fellow mongerers.
Bye for now.
OldAsiaHand
10-31-03, 15:59
illeaglefun,
No, you should not pay first, just give the 150RMB directly to the girl afterwards and she will manage the house fee.
Yes, it is normal to be taken to an apartment which can be up 5 flights sometimes.
The LT offer from a BBS girl was probably bogus from the beginning. Most BBS girls I know prefer not to spend the night. You are better off with KTV or apartment girls for this.
OAH
RE: Good hotel rates in Shenzhen.
I have found that travel agencies just before leaving the customs to have pretty good rates, I have also found airport travel agencies to have good rates. I was able to book the Forum for $400 per night, that's a 4 or 5 star hotel.
CC1024
I have been to SZ only 2-3 times and I have always been disappointed. I can't believe that in a place like SZ, there aren't any places like a Chinese version of Neptune II in HK or Jump in Rio, where working girls hang out to show their wares.
Maybe I just haven't had an "OldAsiaHand" to show me.
I ended up with a 6 or 7/10 with fabulous tits off the street but marginal service for $400 + $20 for cab fare. We agreed on $700 for overnight but I was not in the mood for more.
I would appreciate any info on disco/bar where working girls hang out without any KTV/nightclub managers getting a cut.
CC1024:
You are absolutely right. My friend paid $360 for Lu Shan (4 star) with the reservation from a travel agency. After the checkin, the travel agency even sent a runner to the restaurant where we were having dinner, to collect the hotel charge so that we did not have to make thr trip to the office and at our convenience.
Happy Hunting
[QUOTE|B] From CC1024 [/B]
[I was able to book the Forum for $400 per night, that's a 4 or 5 star hotel.
Do you remember the address for the Forum, is it in Luohu, Futian? The is it girl friendly.
Thanks.
Hey NY CHINAMAN,
What is the name of the Hotel in Dongguan and where is it located. I will be in Southern China in 1/04.
Lilojo: One of the few bars in Shenzhen I've seen that comes close to Neptune in HK is called Goodfellas Bar. It is mostly frequented by tourists and ex-pats (such as Neptunes) but there are local girls in the bar as well. The address is No 98 ZhenHua Rd.
I've been to both clubs. Both have the dance atmosphere and at least some of the girls that hang out there speak passable English. I didn't see any stunners the time I was there but then I was there with company people and talking to them mostly.
Your other option for really outgoing (actually aggressive) girls is in Shekou. Lots of girls and some speak English.
So if you like the party atmosphere and don't mind taking what you find.... those are the places. However as OAH and others will tell you the better looking girls are found downtown in the in the discos ... but unless you speak Chinese you will have a hard time meeting them. That leaves you with KTV (which you didn't want), BBS, mommies showing you girls in apartments or freelancers.
rtpman
I'm torn between getting a hotel in Louwu, or Futian. Which area should I set up shop for mongering, hitting discos, hanging out in bars etc?
Also, I'm considering these:
Sunshine hotel,
Century plaza hotel
Wuzhou hotel.
The 2nd and 3rd I believe would be in the Futian area.
Thanks for info!
I hope to take a lot of pics.
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Weelock, the Forum Hotel:
Address: 1085 Heping Road, Luowu, Shenzhen
I think it is formerly the Forum hotel, now it is the: Best Western Zhenzhen Felicity Hotel or something like that.
I believe Goodfellas (also called Utopia) on Zhenhua Lu is closed. The one in Shekou is still open. The owner opened a new Bar called U Bar. No freelancers there.
I was in SZ recently and had a walk around the Regent hotel tryin to find the "big racks" shop. Wandered around the alleys in opposite the entrance of the hotel, but did not find any place that would only have had especially big racks. Can anybody give more detailed whereabouts of the place?
Hi OAH,
I send you a message using the PM function on this board. Can you reply and let me know.
mpfslover
Hi Gents,
Anyone interested in checking out the actions next weekend in SZ area? Please reply.
Superforce99
11-03-03, 05:22
Went to the Futain "candyland" shops yesterday at about 12:00am and 99.9% of them were closed...and there were regular patrols of 1-2 policemen walking around the area on foot. Damn, what's with the crackdown? The major tradefairs are over, I think?
But strangely enough, there were lots of SW-looking girl walking around. Not milling about, but walking to some location. Maybe most of them had arranged for private meetings elseware?
Went to Jusco after that and about 75% of the shops were open. Quality ranged from 4-7.5s.
Johnny
General notes
I saw what looked like some SW, lingering near the border exit. They looked very western focused in dress and habits (smoking).
Kabukicho
a quick note on the forum hotel. There are some shops right next, but I had some problems there. Be careful there.
OldAsiaHand
11-03-03, 12:39
MpfsLover,
I cannot figure out how to retrieve the PM. Everytime I check, it says no messages. What am I doing wrong?
OAH
P.S. As an alternative you can email me.
OldAsiaHand
When you are at this location of your User Control Panel:
"WSG Forum > User Control Panel For AMPGuest > Private Messages > Inbox"
then glance over to the near top left corner where you will see the
"Show Messages From: All Messages Go" function
Click on the GO button then it will display ALL the messages you have in your PM feature whether you have read them or not. Good luck and hope this helps answer your question...Happy hoeing!
OldAsiaHand
11-03-03, 15:03
Knobrm,
I was by there the other day and the stock of big racks has certainly dwindled, and some smaller racks have replaced them. I don't think we can call it an exclusively, "big rack" shop any longer.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
11-03-03, 15:05
AMPGuest,
Thanks. I finally figured it out. I did not notice that you had to click GO.
OAH
Diamondrod
11-03-03, 17:16
OAH,
Do you think I can join you guys the next time you go mongering?
Diamondrod
Quote: From TangZhen 11-03-03 10:20
a quick note on the forum hotel. There are some shops right next, but I had some problems there. Be careful there.
Hi TangZhen,
Are you saying the forum hotel is NOT girl friendly? What kind of problems there. I asked about the forum a few days ago. I think someone recommend it and WAS girl firendly. I also believe it;s about 400RMB and rate at 3-4 stars. Good price for a 3-4 star.
Thanks TangZhen.
I did a search for hotels and it listed some that are in my buget. I'm planning to stay about 6-7 days in Downtown Shenzhen then 2-3 days in Shekou. Then from Shekou find a ferry to Macau for about a week.
Does any know anything about these hotels. For example are they girl friendly. Any problems after 11pm. There are rate at 3-4 stars.
Downtown Shenzhen
===============
Dragon Hotel US30
Empire Hotel US34
Gold Hotel US41
Hotel Oriental Regent US47
Holiday Inn ????
Futian District
==========
Grand View Hotel US64
New Century Hotel US51
Shekou district
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Nan Hai Hotel US48
I got these rate from this site:
http://www.asiatravel.com/china/shenzhen.html
Tangent: You said Shekou has a Goodfellas bar? I haven't been to Shekou in about 7 months but don't recall seeing it. Could you give me an idea where it is?
Thanks
Hi Rtpman,
Hey haven't chatted with you in a year! Last time we talked was when I was in SH and you were in SZ.
There is Goodfellas in Shekou. It's a restaurant toward the end of the girlies bars toward Nanhai (before the alley curves). Pretty decent western food.
I'll be in SZ later this week for 1 week. How about you and Csun?
Later
I rarely stray out to Shekou but I thought the Shekou Goodfellas was in that building that Park N' Shop is in.
I have discussed with the owner of some of the BBS in the Futian "candyland" shops. They said the crackdown is very serious this time and those shops may be closed permanently.
John Siron
11-04-03, 18:14
A girl that I met at this ktv called Freedom in Shenzhen told me it got shut down recently. Anyone hear why? My Chinese is horrible so I didn't really understand what she was saying. Haha
Anyway, she was calling me to tell me she is coming up to Shanghai to live and was looking for a fuck friend. :-)
Storm Cat,
Thanks for the info. That's too bad. How about he shops near Jusco? Also is crackdown near Futian Walmart thru out the day or certain time of the day? Any alternatives out there in SZ?
From OAH 10-29-03 33
Shenzhen Update:
I am pleased to report that it is finally back to business as usual at my favorite hunting grounds in Futian. It appears that the crackdown is finally over! All the shops are open and well stocked with talent.
OAH
To Storm Cat:
Conflicting reports on Shenzhen. Is the crackdown OVER? Sorry to hear it's serious. Is the area YOU are talking about the same area as OAH in Shenzhen.
It seems like I have read the same thing on other wsg forum boards in areas around Dongguan, Macau, Hong Kong, GuanZhou, Zhi Hai and Shenzhen.
It's that orgy in Zhu Hai and the killing of a trid gang member in Hong Kong and the recent Trade Fair.
When Chinese New Year comes around in late Jan early Feb 2004, they will be another crackdown. The Japanese did the same thing in Vancouver, Canada. They drove up the price AND caused an incident. There was a large crackdown a long time afterwards. Made Canada look bad and they had to do something about it. I have seen large group of Japanese vistor when I went sking each of the four times I was at Whistler, Canada in the 90's and 2000's. They are less of them now because of their ecomomy but in the early 90's they had money. Things are cheap to them even now.
AmpGuest,
Thank you also. I am also learning this new Private Mail function. Was not seeing the messages until you responded to OAH.
OAH - I replied to you.
cheers,
mpfslover
Soulman:
The crackdown happen last Saturaday nite around 10pm. The police broke the door of the BBS and caught many gals inside the BBS. Now all the BBS doors are being sealed and so many police patrol around the area.
Yes, I also know the Jusco area is still alright but the quality of gal in such area is not good at all.
Indeed so many area in Guangdong is being cracked down due to the Japanese incident in Zhuhai.
S Weelock
I am not saying the hotel in not girl friendly, I have not stayed there, rather I am saying that the BBS right next to the hotel with a few hotties was a trouble spot when I tried to get service there. They tried REAL HARD to get me to switch or go for 'Shuang fei - double service', when I was firm I would not switch from the hottie, we get naked and she starts renegociating, when I had made it VERY clear on the price. They already had some of my money (200 rmb) and I had not really had any service, so it was a shouting match and my vocabulary of very nasty words came in quite handy. At first they refused to give me any money, I think I got all but 50 rmb back. If you go for one of the girls near by, be quite careful on the locking of money and the being quite clear on price "bao fei - whole price". Pity was the girl was a REAL hottie. :-( maybe if they had been honest up front I would have gone for it.
OldAsiaHand
11-06-03, 01:39
Fellow Mongers:
I also did a drive-by of the Futian shops on Sunday late afternoon and they were still shut down. I reckon there has been pressure by the merchants and residents in the area to crackdown too. Unlike the Jusco area where the shops are hidden in back alleys, Futian shops are much more obvious.
OAH
P.S. I am also wondering if all the exposure the area gets on this board has anything to do with the crackdown?
OAH,
Perhaps we've given that area a bit too much publicity. Hope things cool off and they re-open. Sometimes, they just switch to a different location, and start all over again.
We'll have to trouble you to scout out more candylands in SZ. :-)
mpfslover
Hi,
Does anyone know of a Sauna or a Massage place that also provide special services (HJ or BJ) is SZ? I am looking for something in the style of the HK sauna places.
Thank you,
Gallis.
Dragon Slayer
11-07-03, 20:02
Guys,
I will be back in Shenzhen around Dec 4. Anyone have suggestions for a nice, inexpensive hotel in Lou Huo downtown district near the action? Stayed at Empire and Grand Hotel last time. Want a different place. Something fairly nice with bar / restaurant and walking distance to nightlife, massage parlors, etc.
Any suggestions for good massage parlors, bars and clubs in Lou Huo where women hang out that are friendly to Americans? A friend is accompanying me and we are looking for some good nightlife. My last trip I was with my then Shenzhen GF the entire trip and did not get out alone (my cock was busy the entire trip and would not have been able to handle any strange).
Anyone interested in hooking up with us in the evening? I speak some Mandarin and it would be fun. I am a late night partier and something until 3:00 - 4:00AM would be fine.
Thanks,
Dragon Slayer
Gents,
Any decent place (barbershop or freelancers) to have fun near Nanshan area?
Some of us plan to get together for outing to Jusco area this Sun with OAH.
On the FuTian area being shut down, I dont think it has anything to do with the board, rather I think it was not hidden enough. Obviously the authorities have known it was there and tolerated it, but as sometime happens they wanted to have the district go upscale a bit, so close anything they dont like and have it move to a less obvious location. Enjoy the Jusco area while it is there as I predict it will go away in the next year or 2 as the progress of the area makes the land too attractive.
If they really wanted to crackdown they would make some arrests, but they dont and tolerat it and 'suggest' they close until the authorities feel it is a good time to open. When the area thins out a bit, they will lighten up. I dont think they need all the shops to close, just about 1/2, leaving a few of the less obvious ones to stay in business.
tz
Took a trip down to Shenzhen with my good friend Johnny to attend the 1st Annual Monger's Convention, held in the finest hotels and short time rooms that city has to offer. What a great day that was, full of laughter, commeraderie and frivolity. We were like army ants swarming over honey.
This post would have to be in book form to describe everything we did and saw that day. But just imagine 7 white and asian guys standing smack in front of the police station, shaking hands, slapping backs and laughing about various T&A stories and you'll get a vivid picture of the effect we had on that city and its unsuspecting citizens.
Started out with a short trip to Icy's pad, to view a really lame selection and get high pressure sales tactics. Heard some rumors about Icy's mother too, if that really is her mother.
Headed off to the Wal Mart area were we formed a long, single file, rope line with team leaders carrying little flags emblazened with a capital Y so we wouldn't get lost. The team leaders would stop periodically to give us juice and clean us up with little Kleenex's, they took real good care of us!
What a great time. We went from shop to shop to shop grinning and laughing. Our team stopped at almost every shop to go in and have a little chat with the nice company. We figured about 1% was a 9, not bad. Almost 100% were completely acceptable, although seeing all these white faces trouping into their shop scared the hell out of a lot of them.
After making a complete pass around the 25 shops or so, Johnny and I decided it was time to throw the I-Ching and cast our fate. We went back to the best shop which had about 8 or 10 girls. After a long discussion with mama about which ones have the best BJ technique, I chose a really beautiful and busty girl quietly playing solitare and Johnny kept going back and forth between a super shy girl and a friendlier version, friendly won. Negotiated to 200 FS at their apartment.
They were both really playful and affectionate, a GFE from minute one. In the room my girl was really pleasant and happy to be there, great fun. Off came the clothes and I could see those impressive assets. Omigod, they were wonderful, maybe 36D on a really small frame. She started out giving me a breast massage, with Her breasts. She had 'em and she knew how to use 'em! Big smile on both of us, we were having fun. A lot of cuddling and playing and then the bulbous winky got covered and disappeared. The condom was good and the feeling uncharacteristically wonderful. Several positions and back to missionary for a super nice end.
We got up and took a shower in the cold water shower, which she thought was really funny. And waited for Johnny while talking and laughing, exchanging phone numbers and such. I paid 200 plus a 50 tip and then we took some photos. Sorry, so sorry not to have gotten nude photos, but it was hard enough to get them to take any at all.
Face: see for yourself, I think 7 or 8.
Body: to die for, exquisite perfection
Service: 9/10 only no BJ, I forgot to ask
Attitude: Total GFE. Dreams are made of this.
We had fun with the camera, Johnny has some photos of his session.
I would caption this one "Big dumb white guy kisses beautiful Chinese Princess".
It was a set up shot, Johnny held the camera like he was going to take a normal photo and then at the last second I hugged and kissed her to make her laugh.
I think we tried to ask them for some nude shots but they weren't going for that. No one is sorrier than I bretheren, that bra covered a multitude of blessings. The waist was thin and the legs were long and well proportioned. What a beautiful girl.
We met up with the rest of the guys at a local eatery and had an extended show and tell, not only of our girls but it ran the gamut, as you can imagine. I won't say who all was there, but all the names are familier here. And of course there was the Monger of Mongers, the God of the Goddessess, the Ambassidor of Ambrosia and the Quiverer of Quim. The guy has the body of an athlete, the jaw of a movie star and damn nice shoes. And he's taller in person. OAH it was a true pleasure meeting you. We doff our collective caps in your honor!
After the poster session, the teams split up again and our Team headed to what really should be called Juiceco. There was an amazing selection, what a wonderful hobby. At one of our favorite shops, because of the nice mama and naturally friendly girls, we took some more photos in the shop itself.
I wasn't taking these photos, Johnny was. He was having fun and they were really laughing at seeing themselves in the little view window. A good time with pretty girls and a super sweet mama...well so far.
I would caption this one: These Boots Were Made for Wokin' (Sorry, couldn't resist)
We've been to this shop several times now and the little girl in the red (always the same clothes...hmmm) is just bubbling with personality and enthusiasm every time. We finally caved and chose her.
Here's the deal, two of the mongers were going to let Johnny and I use their hotel room for an hour instead of the somewhat grimey short time apartment. Thanks again you guys, many thanks! Johnny and I both owe you big time for being so gracious.
Well when the little red girl realized that she was going to a hotel room with the big dumb white guy, she was scared to death. She wasn't afraid of me, I'm harmless, she was afraid of the size of the tube steak.
Trying to make this work out, I offered to go in the back room and show her. Which we did, kind of funny situation, "Its OK honey, it won't hurt you, see? Go ahead you can touch it..." That viewing just reinforced her worst fears, should have kept it in my pants. She wanted two girls in my room, I don't know why, in case it attacked her or something.
Anyway, we got tired of the whole situation and left in search of better luck. Which we definately found. But since I've posted up a million posts this time, I'll leave that description for another day.
All in all a wonderful day in Shenzhen with a truly great bunch of guys. Nice meeting you guys! Lets do it all again real soon. Thanks again to the two guys who loaned us their hotel room. That was above and beyond the call of duty and it made an experience with a Chinese Goddess something I will always treasure...well for a few weeks anyway.
Upward and onward!
Hi again,
I was wondering, among all the shopping possibilities, has anyone seen lingerie or general sex merchandise type shops, fetish shops?
Kabukicho> There are sex shops all over Shenzhen. However, there is one sex shop (that has two locations) that stands out among the rest as far as being better organized, wider selection, and well-designed. One location is across the street from the Century Plaza Hotel in Luohu. The other location is on a north-south street that marks the eastern edge of the Jusco shopping plaza (Zhongxin guangchang)
Had a massage the other day in a BBS--not the most sparkling BBS but good enough. After the cute gal was giving me a very lackluster massage for a few minutes, she asked me if I wanted a hj. i wasn't ready yet, so I said maybe later. The she says, "Why not now, a hj is no extra charge." Hmmm
I wanted to verify, so asked that there was no need for a tip, and she said, "no need." So I said lets give this hj a go. Turns out she was very good at the hj, but was a little shy about her small titties. Afterwards she just wanted to talk.
Massage 30rmb/hr. hj included (but I gave her a 20 rmb tip anyhow and she was quite content with that). I think it is policy at the place to have hj included. The gal did not want to do a bj though. The place is in the next mega-block west of Jusco and is south of Shennan Road. I can give more specific directions if needed.
Tangent, have you any comments about the convenience for mongering in the Century Plaza Hotel? I'm thinking of booking that one.
How is the hotel itself, worth it or overated? Has Internet ports or just modem ports?
I can book for about 60 bucks it looks like, online reseller sites.
Wow, sex/lingerie? shop across the street from the hotel huh.
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Tangent, I've arrived at Century Plaza now. The sexshop is right across the street of the FRONT entrance of the Century plaza? or some other side of the CP Hotel.
Got Broadband here, but I made a mistake, no built in club in this HOTEL CRAP! I'm looking for convenience... sigh.
Night now, afraid to wonder out.
Some old lady, as I went to HSBC but came out of it finding out it is closed after 5PM, asking me to go with her to check out girls.
In the end she gave me her business card:
13530545235 is the number on it.
Pink card with roses on the left. Anybody use her/trust her?
Another guy gave me a card:
13620937850 is the number on the card.
Gray card with on the left side a pic of the dual cylinder building here in SZ. It's in viewing distance of me. I also don't know what this is about.
So anyone can recommend some disco I can venture out and be able to back track by foot back to my hotel?
Thanks.
Last night I paid 1500 RMB for a 20yr old overnight to my place. Guy off the street got me into his apt. (i was nervous but came out fine) and he called like 30girls over 15min. I didnt really like anyone too much.
Anyway, he asked me how much is overnight worth and I told him not more than 1000RMB and he countered with 1500RMB, and I told him that's a lot but he better discount for next times, and he said absolutely.
He also offered Virgins, but I don't know how much.
I went out last night hoping to catch freelancers but kept on being stopped by these peddlers, these middlemen.
I want freelancers so I don't have to 'Pay' 2 people.
But at the same time, last night I was afraid of wandering too far.
Gosh all these guys hanging at my hotel entrance but no freelance women sigh!
Don't know too much about the Century Plaza Hotel as a place to stay as I live here in Shenzhen. You are in the middle of Luohu, so convenienhe should not be too much of a problem. I do not know what the sauna is like in the dual cylinder building, but it does house Golden Times nightclub which has just about the best looking hostess girls in SZ. I do not know what the take-out situation is with the girls at Golden Times, but its not going to be cheap. golden Times also has the girls that sit beihind the bar that you can talk to if you come by yourself.
Last weekend was at City Cowboy and this gal was dancing on the go-go podium and unbuttoned her shirt all the way. She had no bra on, thus exposing a very nice rack. The whole bar watched. At times she was cupping her breasts, and after about a minute the bouncers told her to get off and button up her shirt. Nice to see the women of China opening up.
Superforce99
11-17-03, 15:38
damn, i finally found some time file a very belated report, from about
two weeks ago, but hope you guys find it useful/amusing...
firstly, it was hilarious and fun to have had the chance to hang around
oah, ras, lucky, and others last weekend in shenzhen. the mini-monger-
convention was really kind of nutty, with a group of eight guys, 6 white
and 2 asian, walking around the futian area in shenzhen looking for sweet
young gals. if we all had the yellow baseball caps with "foreigners" printed
on and oah was waving a flag, everything would have been perfect...
we decided to split into two groups and not totally bring the le all
over our collective asses. not to mention that the "candyland" near
walmart is completely closed, still. i think it's probably permanent
this time, but no fear, since young chinese gals will find some way to
spread their legs for our pleasure, their profit.
i led one group around and we found some young-ish, decent quality in
the area behind walmart. if you are standing in front of walmart with
the entrance to your back, it is the first street on your right side. just
follow it all the way and after about 5-10 minutes of walking, you will
see plenty of shops, beginning on your righthand side.
the other mongers in my group were scoping out ladies for dessert that night,
so cronin and i were the only ones "dining in." we went into one particularly
crowded show and picked up two gals from a lineup of about 15-16 gals
in total. i was about to settle on this one tall-ish cutie but as i got
closer, she just didn't give me a good "vibe." the tall-ish cutie next to
her was making shy but steady eye contact and had an irresistable smile
(see pic below) so i chose her...right before oah could! man, oh man, sorry
about that mr. o-a-h, but i guess we both have the same sharp monger eyes...
cronin chose ms. big breasts china, and man, i must say those are one of
the largest natural breasts i've seen on a petit chinese girl.
cronin and i then followed them to their apartment, which was about a 10
minute walk away. a sparse room with two bedrooms and a grandmother-ish
woman cooking dinner greeted us. the grandmother disappeared and my
girl and i stripped to go take a shower, and my god, i just stopped and
stared at her with a silly smile...just perfect. fucking perfect. creamy,
skin with no blemishes, soft-firm grapefruit breasts, and a tone, taught
body blessed by youth. was looking for the "made in china (for fucking)"
label but couldn't find it...
she was smiling in a shy way as i stared at her, and but i could tell that
she felt slightly embarassed, which is a kind of turn-on. once we got in
the bathroom, we found out that the water was cold as shit because the gas
wasn't working. lots of smiles and laughs as we sprayed each other with freezing
water. got back to the room and was kissing her lightly on the face for a few
minutes when the wife calls the mobile. shit! i got up and had a 10 minute
discussion in english while ms. cutie looked delicious sitting on the bed,
smiling at me. i finished the call then it was time to eat up that luscious
young thing on the bed...
it was just one of those situations where the girl looks so sexy and shy
and really seems into it and/or is just a great actress and everything is just
too damn positive...which ofcourse leads to daty, deep kissing, etc. in addition
to a fantastic bbbj. after about 30 minutes of this heavenly foreplay, she just
about pushed me into her bareback, but i quickly thought of a tiny, angel-wing
clad cronin on my shoulder scolding me about the dangers of bareback, so i eased
off and put on the condom and had a gentle love-making session with kissing,
hugging, et all until i finished inside of her after which we just held each
other for about 10 minutes before getting up for another hilarious ice-water
shower. i know i shouldn't have, but i just couldn't resist and gave her
150 rmb plus 100 rmb tip. overall:
face-8.5, (looks better personally than in the pic)
body-9, (could rotate between looking and fucking that body all day long...)
service-9, (total gfe, i think she must have been relatively new to the business)
overall-9, (if she could only live in guangzhou...)
cronin apparently had a great time, too, but better watch out with all that
barebacking going on!
johnny
pic is me messing around with my cutie after the session, damn, couldn't figure out how to use cronin's camera beforehand!!
Gee Tangent,
So where is the City Cowboy? Or any club with a go-go podium. Anything of course in Lowu.
Hmm Golden Times, can see the tower out of my room, looks like a mile or two away, not sure how to walk there, best to hail a cab.
Safe to just give them the card I was given?
What then is the area where the tower itself is. Can I hail a cab to get me back to my hotel
How much 'is a lot'? entrance fees, drinks, etc?
Okay, I think from a map I see how I can walk to the Sunshine Hotel. I know there's club inside there.
Would this place be good for mongering?
Shoot. Tonight, took a male pimp's idea of sending someone to my room. I thought he would send a few to pick but just sent one.
She was not that hot but it was like 2AM and I felt like releasing.
After it was done, she asked for 50rmb tip to pocket for herself.
I said what the heck so I gave it to her.
She asked me to tell the pimp that 600 was given to her (like confirm it) so I did when she handed me the phone...
Then it sounded like he wanted 700RMB instead of the original 600RMB said out on the street. (Heck I even wanted to negotiate THAT price).
So I tried to tell him forget it, and sounded like he started getting nasty (while the girl waves at me to say no)
So the guy is like in english "No, YOU listen to me"
So I just closed her cell phone after that.
After that the girl gave me her personal number and said call her directly in the future...
Strange she also said not to stay at this hotel in the future, and told me some other one, which I don't know the name since she did not give me the english name.
But she said it's in walking distance.
Now I don't know if she says this because it's not safe or what.
She told me she will call the guy again (sort of because she has to) and told the guy she got the 600 but no +100.
Sounded like the guy got loud again over the phone.
But she ended the conversation.
I asked her, what is wrong, and is there any 'problem'. She was reassuring me that there is no problem, everything is OK.
She's left for 20 minutes now...
Are they going to send a bunch of little bullies to beat me up now?
They DO know my room number and hotel.
Which reminds me I will NOT give out my room number anymore.
However this means that for me to check out girls I will have to follow pimps to apartments to check them out.
Or have them send the girl to a street I guess.
Shoot I'm a little worried.
Dragon Slayer
11-17-03, 22:22
Johnnykon666
Good story and nice photo. I will be back in SHenzhen on Dec 4. What is the name and location of the place where you met that Chinese Girl? Any other suggestions? My free time might be limited as my Woman is flying from up north to be with me. So I need to know exactly where to go for some fun while she is occupied.
Any guys want to hook up for drinks, dinner, mongering? I would say I have to see my Pals here. Just let me know here and we can hook up. I will stay in Lou Hu as I am arriving by taxi from Hong Kong.
Hi Boys,
Well, I'm really sorry and pissed at myself for missing the mini-monger coventions 2 weekends ago. My KTV GF won't let me go out of hotel room that Sun afternoon.
I think she sensed something was going on when my mobile phone kept on ringing first with call from OAH followed by Ras then Rtpman. She got suspicious or call it women's intuition. She said she'd leave and return to DG if I left the damn room. So we ended laying in bed naked all day and watched few dirty movies on my laptop which she doesn't like to do. But variety is what I crave and only ended with 2 girls on my last trip.
I'm still really pissed at myself for missing out...
PS - Johnny, great monger report! I spoke to OAH too. By the way, the girl you had is really really cute! A gem in the BBS. And she gives BBBJ? Mind giving me her mobile #? :)
Kabu,
Hey don't worry man!
1st, you're paying way too much! 1500RMB?
2nd, they will use anything thing like threat to get more money from you so screw them. No they won't come after you so no worries.
thanks to oah for the hotel advice, i stayed at crowne plaza.
only had 1 night and have no interest in crawling around town looking for bargains. mostly because of my age and the fact i like to be in a secure hotel room for fun & games.
went down to v bar to hunt. interesting gang. mostly locals or hk locals. no single women on the prowl. most of the girls were in groups and did not respond to eye contact.
sat on the outside patio where i could see the door and monitor those arriving. about 10 tables to my right was a single girl just sitting and drinking a coke. she was not even looking around. kept her head down. seemed like she was the gf of an employee and was waiting for him to finish work.
some really fine stuff was there but they did not show any interest in an old white guy.
the kitten at the table finally got up and went to the sandbox. beautiful body and a sweet face. as she walked back to her table i made strong eye contact and gave her a hello wave. she simply sat down again. i looked over and gave her a wave to my table. in a heartbeat she was sittting next to me and explaining in her limited english that "massage" was available for 1500rmb. no dice. settled at 700 and headed upstairs.
i don't have the experience to award the "spinner" designation with full confidence but , in my mind, she qualifies. 22 years old, no baby, about 4"9", maybe 90lbs wringing wet. beautiful tits - easily b maybe c. a very sweet personality with fair english. we spent some time sitting around trying to understand eachother and it was fun. she has a neat little laugh.
in the shower she was great giving the bath - no parts unwashed. to be sure no soap was left on anything important she gave a long taste test. this is good!.
the horizontal experience began with some outstand dfk and gentle hands everywhere.. problems started when she absolutely refused daty or digits. thought this was a bad omen but she made up for it with her oral skills. bbbj was a thing of beauty. like putting your d**k in a piece of moving warm liver. none of the annoying teeth scrapes than can open small sores etc. this girl know how to lick the lollipop of love. you would think she had no teeth whatsoever. sort of like my wife when she puts her teeth in the jar and gums it.
talk about a tighy pu**y. she was a self wetter but entry was still a challange. once in, heaven was at hand. like a trooper she mounted up and started her ride.
one advantage of being older is you lose the "quick shot" problem and the blue pill keeps things interesting for a long time. she obviously was used to locals who can only last a few minutes. when she realized she was going to have something to play with for an extended time, she went for broke. every position available. her bodily responses said she was going to cum and she did with great vigor. it was neat to have her collapse on top while still being inside her. for 5 or 10 minutes we just lay together. she was breathing heavily and i could feel every contraction and muscle movement inside her.
after she recovered she was ready to complete her duty with me.
off came the raincoat and back into the mouth we went, a new cover was installed and into the warm and hairy for another ride. this time we both popped together.
although i had only engaged he for short time, she curled herself around me and wanted to cuddle for awhile. we both slept for about 30 mins. she woke up, gave me a nice massage without anything being sexual. instead of a shower, we took a playful bath before she asked for taxi fare home.
if she allowed daty i would have to rate her at 9.7. still, i think a 9.25 is about right.
this girl needs to have someone take her away for a week and give her some special training in the fine art of being eaten. if i had the time and money, i would take her bkk and let marc at eden club give her some training but not put her in his stable.
when she acquires a bit more skill, we have the makings of a 10!.
she goes by the name of wan li. pm me if you want her cell. treat her well and you will be amply rewarded.
kabu,
city cowboy (niuzai ba) is near fenghuang lu about 2 miles northeast of your hotel. it is a regular bar, and have a girl and a guy dancer who alternate (so the go-go thing isn't risque like it might have seemed). the lady exposing herself was a customer and definitely out of the ordinary--which is why i talked about it. that and the fact that her tits were incredible. i was practically ignoriing my friends as i was trying to get peeks the hour or so previous to her self-unveiling.
we must be having our building towers mixed up because, if you are at the centruy plaza, golden times is just 1/4 of a mile away.
i was talking "a lot" in how much you would pay for the girl--if she even would go out. i think it is 30 or so for a beer and there is a cover charge 50-100rmb but that cover money is used as a chit for drinks up to the amount of the cover charge. the hotel front desk will know where golden times is (jin-se shidai). if you have any questions feel free to e-mail me at tangent8@@@@lycos.com
Superforce99
11-19-03, 10:17
Soulman,
You're right, she is a real, real cutie and her service matches her looks, which is why I'm kicking myself for NOT getting her mobile number...I guess I'm still not accustomed to that. I rarely, if ever, get a gal's phone number.
For others, if you read my post, I've tried to give as detailed directions as I can. You can always contact the Emperor of Shenzhen: His majesty, OAH. Happy hunting!
Johnny
I am desperately looking for a place in Shenzhen where I could have nyloned footjobs.
I tried many times with some non experienced girls, but it is not as good as pros....
Any chance that one of you guys could recommend to a place where I could fulfill my fantasy ?
OldAsiaHand
11-20-03, 05:36
Fellow Mongers,
First, thank you one and all for the fine compliments! Second, sorry for not posting much lately. I am now stateside and already suffering from serious withdrawl after less than 2 days here. The more reports I read on the China threads the worse the symptoms get.
Soulman, The block where Johnny stole my girl (he he he) is just on the other side of Walmart from the usual candyland stretch. It is about 150 meters in from Fuxing Lu on the right. Be warned my friend, the next time we are really coming to your room and dragging you out. No more excuses!
The King from Shanghai, Blankie, was in on last Wednesday night and I took him down to the Jusco area. I appreciated his intial reaction, "There are so many, how do you guys make a decision?" He also asked me if I had done them all to which I responded, "I am trying to". We met up with Raz who decided on takeaway service from the infamous #21. I wanted to try a very tall girl from Shenyang who turned out to be just so so. The shop is all Dongbei girls for those of you who are NE inclined. Shop is on the last line in, close to the east side. Blankie, where is your Shenzhen report?
The mini convention was great. I enjoyed hooking up with fellow mongers. As one of the mongers said, "It is a sort of bond we all share in the hobby!" Very well said. Let's do it again soon!
OAH
IlleagleFun
11-20-03, 16:22
Kabukicho,
It's probably too late as I'm sure your gone by now, but...
Do you have anything against SW's??
The reason I ask is because you can find some real hotties in the heart of Luohu and a simple hop into a cab once you've found one gets you to your hotel in under 5 minutes.
No middle man hassles, price is damn cheap and you get to check out the merchandise (which can be pretty good at times and I'm picky). Of course with anything, it's hit and miss, but some of my best experiences have been LT with SW's, including one hottie I found outside the Landmark Hotel.
They primarily can be found at the intersection with The Panglin Hotel and Sunshine Hotel (mostly on the south west side). The street names are Jiabin Lu (Jiabin Road:runs east-west) and Dongmen Nanlu ( runs north-south).
Remember to get a hotel name card from the front desk or your room key will have the address to the hotel. Show the cabbie one of those and your set.
Price for ST: They'll ask 400-500, but get em for 200-300. Should be 200, but if you're rushed and she's really hot you can choose to go higher. For LT: They'll ask 700-1,000, but get em for 500 give or take.
Also, most BBS action in SZ mentioned, rightfully so, by our fellow trusted mongers are about Futian (by the Walmart) and behind Jusco, but I have had some pretty good experiences with the area directly to the East of the intersection mentioned above.
Head east from the intersection on Jiabin Lu about 1/4 of a mile and to your left is a treasure trove of them. I've had as good a time hunting there as the other 2 areas mentioned.
Would be interested in what others have to say of this area.
Take it to the hole. Ill Eagle
IlleagleFun
11-20-03, 16:26
I have failed to chime in and offer my sincere gratitiude and thanks to OAH for the mini-convention a couple weeks back. You gave a lot of your time, effort and lets not forget the run up on your phone you must of had after that day.
Running flight control at a major airport couldn't be much more difficult.
Thanks also to a true bunch of class guys. Fellow mongers can totally be cool and great people.
Take it to the hole. Ill Eagle
illeaglefun,
No, I am going to be present for at least another 2-3 days actually. I will see if I can check this out.
No, I do want to check out SW!
I don't want to hassle with these stupid pimps!
Incidentally, I got free sex from a under 5ft 18yr old little lady last night! She has stayed over too, and has not wanted the mamasan to know.
She and I talked a lot, and she also took me to the water park two days ago!
Eagle,
Around how late in the evening do you have to start strolling around in that area to see them, and how recent is your reports about this area?
Illeaglefun,
I walked around tonight, say 6:30 to 9PM. All I bumped into multiple times were pimps pimps pimps, a few of them a couple of times over. They are so good at remembering faces I must say.
Visual recognition skills are top notch.
I had McDonalds and went back to that intersection up down, left right, still saw nothing.
Is this place a has been, or do I have to walk during the wee hours of the morning, such as 2-3AM.
Panglin Siebu
Sunshine?
That is the interection I walked all over.
IlleagleFun
11-23-03, 18:01
Kabukicho,
Glad to hear of your earlier success. Sometimes when things are looking bleak a little bit of luck can spring up.
Yes, those pimps are quite the hassle. Come to think of it, they're the same damn pain in the a** all over the world. Just don't make eye contact and say Bu Yao (like boo and "yao" like yao ming, the basketball player). It means "I don't want," that usually sends most of them away.
The area you walked around is correct, but it does not begin to hop until around 9:00. The window of opportunity is rather limited, but I usually test my patience and string it out until as late as midnight, though it begins to slow by 11:00-11:30.
I tested my patience again this Saturday, but with great success. Will write that up in a report to follow when I get the time.
Take it to the hole. Ill Eagle
IlleagleFun
11-23-03, 18:08
BTW Kabukicho,
How did you meet up with the little young lady? And she spoke English too? That's a nice find...
Take it to the hole. Ill Eagle
IlleagleFun
11-24-03, 08:37
OK, I got time sooner than I thought for my report. Actually I have 2 stories, so here goes the first.
On Saturday I got a room again at the Guangxin Jiudian on Renmin Nanlu. This time I got the deluxe room for 288 RMB (just a bit more RMB than the standard room I got last time). Well this room was MUCH, MUCH better. It looked like any 4-5 star room, but obviously the hotel service is not 4-5 star. Had a bit of a problem which I will talk about in my next report.
I go on the hunt for SW for LT service, not much around at 9:00. I go back and forth, going the long way around blocks to kill some time. Nothing but one small petite girl who I got to agree for ST at $250. I say maybe later and continue. Sometimes I'm patient and see what transpires. Wasn't workin for me this day. I finally re-find the first girl and we hop in a taxi when I realize something I hadn't realized before.
I had already been with this girl before about a month back and her service was HORRIBLE. In my broken Chinese, I say remember...you...me... 1 month ago. She remembers. I say your service no good, you bu hao (no good). It might have been a bit rude, but she did suck (and I don't mean in the good sense).
I told the cabbie to stop. I opened the door, have her get out and I say in crappy chinese, you....me....never! you bu hao. bye bye. I give her 10 for the trouble. All I can remember is the look on her face as the taxi drove away. She still might be standing there today, still shocked.
I've been with enough girls to know her service really does suck and she drives a more expensive bargain. I hope this gives her a little thought as to the service she provides, but I was happy to give her the boot. She goes by the name Xiao Min (at least that day she did).
It was now starting to get late and I was getting nervous that I screwed up and was going to get burned this night when along came a girl and her old lady sponsor. What was once a total failure became total success. More in my next report.
Take it to the hole. Ill Eagle
IlleagleFun
11-24-03, 09:35
Sorry this is so long...
So I'm about to call the night a complete failure when I decide to make one more trip around the block. As I turned the first corner this girl immediately caught my eye. Cute and YOUNG.
I zero in on her when I notice this older lady, not a worker, right next to her. The girl clings to her immediately as I begin to enquire about her. The old lady starts the negotiation while the girl just stands there listening.
Trying to make a long story shorter, after much negotiating we agree to LT for 500. As we walk to the hotel in my broken chinese I find out this is her FIRST DAY in Shenzhen (remember, she's real young). I ask if I'm her first laowei (foreigner) and she says yes. I couldn't speak well enough to ever find out if this was her first time EVER (yes I'm talking virgin material), but I had clues throughout the night to give me an idea.
She did not have a big rack (quite small indeed) and her teeth weren't the straightest, but her body was hot.
We get to the room and she calls her-- whatever she was. We talk a little and I point to take a shower. She seems bewildered. I'm starting to worry. She calls--whatever she was-- again, she hangs up the phone and says OK to the shower. I'm like.....no kidding! Come on, you're a working girl.
From there on it was pure heaven. We washed each other completely and then began what seemed like a 1/2 hour of foreplay. She was very afraid of each move I made as we went along (even kissing), but she quickly warmed to every move and got COMPLETELY in to it. She was quite uneasy about BJ, so I gave her a break on that end.
Every zone I touched on her body brought a feeling of surprise and a show of excitement from her. Man, I never saw a girl react like this to this extent, but it was a total turn on. We worked on each other up and down until she started moaning....give me.....give me!!! It was time to go in.
Up to this point I would have said she was a total virgin, but, then, she had no problem with me as I went in all the way.
Please know I'm not trying to boast, but most small, petite chinese girls have a problem with me. But she wanted all of it and more. This left me a bit confused as to her virginal status, but I'm not complaining.
We followed the same routine about 2 hours later and to my surprise we went one more, quicker round just before she left at 7:00 in the morning.
For that I tipped her an extra 100 for 600 total. Totally worth it.
I'm still confused as to whether she is a virgin or not, but man, this is one of the reasons I try LT sometimes. Sometimes there is a real big payoff. Inever get this big a payoff with ST.
She has messaged me 2 days in a row now. Don't know if she's really into me or an experienced professional just doing some marketing, trying to get me back for more cash.
Still haven't been able to figure it out, but my guess is she was 16. She laughed and said some kind of joke (I couldn't understand) when we talked about age, but she never would tell me.
That's the story, but a quick note on the hotel. The room was great and it was girl friendly my first stay. This time, however, a man knocks on my door after we enter. He wants the girl to go downstairs. They ask for ID and then write her down. Very uncomfortable for both her and me.
We go upstairs and we're about to begin when she motions only 1 hour (after we agreed on LT). I say WHAT!!! (shenme?) She motions her ID does not make her official in Shenzhen and she can only stay an hour. NO WAY. Upset, I call the front desk. LUCKILY, someone speaks decent English. I tell her my "friend" is new to SZ, she has nowhere else to stay and she is not leaving. After talking and saying this 3 times, they agree and allow her to stay.
Now, because I picked her up rather late, we did not arrive in the hotel until 11:45. I'm wondering if this is the reason for the trouble. Last time I brought the girl in before 11:00 and there was no problem.
I'm hoping this was the problem, because I don't want to keep experiencing these difficulties at hotels. This is now the second time I have had trouble at a SZ hotel.
Any ways, hope this helps you all.
Take it to the hole. Ill Eagle
IlleagleFun
11-24-03, 09:50
BTW, as I was looking for SW, I took the time to check out the BBS's I have mentioned before in the Luohu area and the pickings did not look very good this time.
Also, some of the mama's were telling me to move on, I assume just because I was laowei (foreigner). As you can imagine, I did not like to see that.
Will go back again another time and report again.
Take it to the hole. Ill Eagle.
Ill Eagle,
How you doing, guy? Haven't seen you since the mini convention. Remember, Johnny and I had to rush off with our girls to the hotel since we only had two hours until our bus left for GZ. We left you rather abruptly and you headed across the street to another section of BBSs. Still feel bad we dumped you like that, we were having such a great time.
Nice report, good info. I, for one, like the long reports since I think there is more useful information in them. Besides, I'm always writing long reports too. Haven't been flamed about it yet (so far).
Johnny and I hit two for two that day (double eagle?). After our totally wonderful experience earlier in the day, (posted pix earlier and below) I found an unbelievably beautiful girl to take back to our two friend's hotel.
Haven't had a chance to report on that experience. I ended up paying her 300 ST at the hotel although we had agreed to 200. The extra 100 was for bareback everything, which I talked her into after I saw upclose what she looked like. Totally lost control, yet again. So I bit the head off of the "little angel winged Johnny" on my shoulder and went for the game of Russian Roulette. Strangely, she wasn't afraid of disease, she was afraid of getting pregnant. I, of course, am fearless...or brainless, soon to be lifeless.
I gnashed my teeth when I realized that I had left my camera in Johnny's room. He took two bad photos which we won't bother to post. I had the Cover Girl and no camera. And she wanted to watch herself in the mirror and also watch little muffin while we were fucking. She knew how fine she was, she probably would have allowed photos. But stay tuned, we message each other often and I'm going back in.
So Ill Eagle, here's why I posted this novella, Question: What do you know about the JingPeng Hotel? That's the hotel where the other two friends were staying and where we got to use their room ST.
From your info on the Guangxin, it sounds like maybe not a place to try. I hate that interruption crap when everyone's a little edgy to begin with. I think our friends paid 250 or so at JingPeng and they said it was a girl friendly place, so I'm tempted to go back there on our next outing. The one caveat was that I noticed the two Hotel managers following Johnny, me and the girls out of the hotel when we left, and they didn't look pleased. Someone said they might have been pissed that we didn't use the Hotel's in-house girls, where they probably get a cut.
So what do you say? Know anything about JingPeng? The room was nice, totally 4 star and affordable. It's close to another big hunting ground, according to Johnny, can't remember where he said that was though.
Enjoyed meeting you! Maybe we can hook up in the next week or two when we return.
BTW, here's another photo I took of the "little angel" with our two earlier girls, Miss Big Breasts Shenzhen and Miss Green Eyed Honey. (Sorry about the clothes)
Cronin
Eagle, I'll post more later when I can, but I met that little girl just by chance from a woman Pimp.
She sent this girl because she can articulate in Canto somewhat. Everyone else is mand.
Great girl, wet. She's not really in the business anymore, can you believe? She wasn't even to begin with. She spent like 5 days with me.
She got into arguments with the lady pimp too.
More later.
IlleagleFun
11-26-03, 17:36
Kabukicho,
Look forward to more when you can.
IlleagleFun
11-26-03, 17:47
Hey Cronin,
Nice to hear from you.
After we left, I too found a BBS girl. She looked real sweet in the shop, but got up to the room and parts of her came out I could not see while dressed. I'm pretty picky on looks, so normally I wouldn't have chosen her in the first place, but her face was beautiful and her service turned out real nice.
Hey, I readily understand how a 200 agreement quickly becomes 300 and 250 becomes 350. After some misses in this hit and miss game, boy is it nice to have a hit.
Sorry I can't help you on the Jing Peng Hotel. Been here but 3 months and I am only familiar with the hotels downtown in the Luohu area. But if it's a nice place and you can get rates that low, I don't see a reason to go elsewhere.
The Guangxin was quite nice and had good rates. I didn't have problems the first time, so I'm not saying it isn't girl friendly, but it is open to debate. I will try again later and report again.
Let me know when you guys come to town and we can hook up again. Happy hunting.
Take it to the hole. Ill Eagle
RasSpewtin
11-27-03, 01:05
Message for illeaglefun:
Bro, check your hotmail. It's time to get serious about that trip to Thailand. Mine is all booked, including hotels. Get in touch soon, OK?
Raz
For guys that wants information on Jing Peng Hotel. I have been staying there whenever I am in Shenzhen for the past 5 years. It is a very nice and safe hotel. From what my Taiwan friends tells me, it is owned by both a police chief and an Army General. It has never been raided. It used to just have male guests from Taiwan and Hong Kong until about a year ago. Now since business have turned, most of the Taiwan and Hong Kong guys have cut back on their travel therefore Jing Peng have started to accept tour groups. They are very girl friendly. They used to have someone on every floor and registered your guests however there were a lot of compaints from the customers and girls so they removed the floor persons (at least from the 8th floor which is the floor I always stay at). Therefore there is no problem with bring girls to your room or have them stay all night since no one will check on you. I hope this will help all the guys who are intested in Jing Peng Hotel.
Yellow Fever #2
11-28-03, 10:34
My first post!
I had viewed the ************* for many years before this forum was created. In fact, I did not even know of the existence of this forum until recently as I did not need to use such resources to find what I was looking for. I live in Shenzhen!
I only looked at the original World Sex Guide (few weeks ago) to see what could be available in Hong Kong. I was so happy to see such a great and active resource that the WSGForum provides.
I have been living in Shenzhen for since July 2001. I have enjoyed the many benefits that this city boasts and I am proud to be a citizen of this city.
I have been to all over Holland and Thailand and many other places but Shenzhen is by far the best place for mongering in my opinion.
In the Shenzhen forum, the Candyland near Futian Walmart is often mentioned. I lived on FuHua road (near KFC) only 5 minutes or so walk away from it and I am very familiar with that area. I prowled all the streets in the area, samples the SW and most of the BBS. I was often amazed that I rarely saw any other 'foreigners'.
Generally I am very budget minded. I offer 100RMB for FS and I almost never have to go any higher. I am definitely for keeping the maintaining low prices and keeping inflation at bay.
I have had several times free service in this area. I met a 'gf' at one BBS who spoke some English and gave me great bareback FS for the 30RMB housefee!
I have not been to the area in a while. My gf keeps too close watch on me and we live in OCT which is too sterile for any adventure. It is too bad if the Candyland Street has been shut down. I hope that is not so, but there are plenty of other areas to visit that are not as concentrated but can be interesting as well.
Close to home, I visit BaiShiZhou which has perhaps a half dozen BBSs on either side of Shennan Road. You must look and search in the villages but it is not hard to find. 100RMB should serve you well.
In DaChong nearby I have located another half dozen or so BBSs. I think part of the excitement is coming across a new location out of the blue. Who knows what you will see around the corner? If you go at night - it is easier because of the distinctive lighting. My searching time is daytime only as I am locked up at home nearly every evening.
In Nanshan, you can find more than a dozen BBSs just off of NanXin road.
I never found much in Nanyou but Shekou was always nearby.
If anyone wants to go further away, the Xili area has adequate representation. There are a couple BBSs near the lake (and resort). Near the college (Shenzhen Polytechnic) you will find a few BBSs that offer massage and FS.
I don't want to be considered cheap and I try my best but I think 100RMB is usually fine. Sometimes I am offered for free. I am very tough with bargaining and I feel it is very much a buyers market.
Occasionally, I will take a girl for a massage, 30RMB 1 hour charge. In the room I will try to bargain for 100RMB FS (including room charge). If I cannot get a price I feel is acceptable, I will leave or just take the massage. It depends on her attitude.
Usually I try to negotiate my 100RMB rate in advance, 'in the lobby'.
I will often tip for really great service but my exit strategy is that all parties can depart very satisfied.
Shenzhen is a great place to live! I am very glad to be a part of this forum.
Recently did a scout trip of the key areas. The area behind Jusco seems to have expanded a bit eastwards. :-) The area where the big rack shop (BRS) is, is doing fine, but the BRS is staffed by only average racks :-( I did not check the WalMart area. Otherwise things seem to be normal.
tz
Hello Yellow Fever #2,
Welcome. This is a great site with lots of good fellow mongers. We share common goals and through the years of sharing our experiences, we're developing a small community of " trusted " advisors. :-)
Most Importantly, we all have to thank our Almighty JACKSON for sponsoring and hosting this site!!
I hope you can leverage the information on this site for your needs, and contribute with your postings so others can benefit from your knowledge and experience.
cheers,
mpfslover
Brothers,
Sometimes its better just to stay in your own bed. Unfortunately, you never know that until the day is done.
During the monger convention, a couple weeks back, Johnny and I had two really great experiences back to back. My two girls had both been messaging me (in Chinese characters which I can't read) so I went to SZ yesterday to look those girls up again. Working under the monger theory of: "if the first time is good, the second time can be even better" I set out with high hopes and spirits. That theory, like all theories, is in need of revision. Here is my emperical data:
Got to the JingPeng Hotel about 3pm on Saturday. I thought Csun had told me that he always got a room for 250. They quoted 390 to begin with. Negotiated to 280 finally, but they wouldn't budge from that. Damn white face, I gotta get cosmetic surgery or some damn thing.
They are a totally girl friendly hotel though. I went in and out that day with two different girls and not a word said. When I left, the doorman went to the taxi with me to give instructions in Chinese for the Bus Station. Overall, a perfect monger hotel (3 star hotel). I give them high marks. The JingPeng is at 2008 Shennan East Road, phone number: (0755)8222-7190.
Decided to visit my very pretty Cover Girl (in spite of advice from Lucky and OAH, I'm still a total sucker for a pretty face). She works in the Jusco BBS village. When I got there and found her (Ajing), she was pointing to other girls. Her mama was pushing other girls too, even though they both knew I was there for Ajing. Mama tried everything to tell me that Ajing was not happening, I didn't get it. Finally she brought out a pack of sanitary napkins. DING! Ah, I get it.
I don't know about you guy, but that is never an issue with me. In fact, it can be even better for the girl since there is zero pregnancy risk. Even DATY, my favorite snack, can be done if you're careful, just out of the shower and it is not a heavy day for her. I said "May wen ti", she told mama "may wen ti" and we're off. Here's a side benefit I hadn't considered: I paid mama nothing since I was not taking business away from her for that day. Cool.
We took a taxi to the JingPeng. Here's her after shower photo:
Well, things went slowly down hill from there. In spite of getting penetration in the shower, which was very nice but not to completion, she refused every single attempt from there on. Her biggest fear seemed to be from pregnancy, and this was her concern the first visit too. After telling her about a dozen times that it is absolutley impossible to get pregnant when you are menstrating, she still refused to believe it. I described in detail just what menstration was, what was going on in her uterus. She refused to believe it. Amazing. This tells you a lot about the level of sex education for most Chinese girls and especially country girls, which she is (been in SZ one month from a small town). She's in the sex trade but knows less than nothing about the plumbing.
OK, so after many tries at bareback, I relented and brought out my trojans. After much more discussion, she puffs me up and puts on the condom. Then proceeded to take it off. ARRG! She kept saying something like "Bu Kuh I", which I think means, "it wouldn't be pretty". I brought out a towel. No dice. She just didn't want to see the whole bloody mess. Still young and sensitive, or so I'm led to believe.
She did finally give me a wonderful BBBJ, although not to completion. I tend to give girls a break on the CIM thing. I'm not all that big, maybe slightly above average for a white guy, but for a small girl it can be a formidable task for the jaw muscles.
I did get a great photo of her giving the BBBJ, but she was not pleased at most of the photos I was taking (she was not smiling in any of these photos), and she got sort of mock-upset at me for taking that when her eyes where closed.
Get this: as I was writing this report and organizing the photos, I realized that when she was paging through the photos on the camera, she erased the BBBJ photo. Can you believe it! How deceitful! Almost as deceitful as someone taking your BBBJ photo when you don't know it! Go figure, she doesn't understand the basics of menstration, but erasing a digital photo on a high tech camera, no problem.
Probably just as well, Jackson would put me on his shit list if I tried to post that one, and I probably would have tried.
So there I was, all puffed up with no place to cum. I wanted a LT with Ajing so much, and tried everything I could think of to make this work, but it was going nowhere. I finally just got dressed and took her back to the shop. Gave her 100 for her time and with great reluctance probably won't seek her out again. If I do, I need both heads examined.
So with a room at the JingPeng and no girl, I went in search of my other homerun from last visit, Xiaowu, or Miss Big Breasts Shenzhen.
I did a lot of walking around the Wal Mart area to try and find her shop. Plenty of shops open and plenty of quality girls. But sadlly, Candyland is still completely closed down. The whole street is dark and shuttered. But if you walk 50 meters in the opposite direction on the same street there are, as James Bond might say, pussies galore.
I could not find Xiaowu's shop, since I am a novice in SZ, so I called her and she met me at WalMart (attention shoppers... we're having a red light special at the front of the store). Did not see any LE activity. Is this the beginning of the end of the crackdown? My god, I hope so.
Took another taxi to the JingPeng, and another "walk of shame". It didn't seem all that shameful there, since the hotel seems to be geared toward mongers. I saw other (Asian) mongers on the elevator and in the lobby, and we were all checking out each others girls. Very pleasant, actually.
To make a long, boring story short, that expected LT came down to not much either. Did get a semi-disinterested covered FS, no BJ covered or otherwise, no photos dressed or otherwise. I couldn't stand the thought of staying there any longer so I got on the bus and went back to GZ.
We had negotiated 400 LT (a good deal, negotiated by Johnny for me by long distance mobile, is this guy a great friend or what?). I could probably have given her 250 or so, but I felt guilty that we had been talking for a week and then I wanted to kick her out after an hour. So I gave her the 400, a perfectly dumb act to end a perfectly dumb day. I was glad to be back in GZ.
Next time, I'm going with backup! Illeagle and Johnny as wingmen. And who's this new guy, Yellow Fever? He looks like he has definate potential. Great name, YF! I have the world's worst case of that myself.
Ajing:
Face: 9
Body: 8
Service: 0
Attitude: confusing
Damage: 100 for nothing
Xiaowu:
Face: 7
Body: 8 but 9+ tits, wonderful to look at
Service: 5
Attitude: Wiggy today for some reason
Damage: 400 LT at my hotel negotiated, paid 400 ST, dumb, but she's a "friend".
So my day in SZ: 70 train, 280 hotel, 100 1st girl, 400 2nd girl, 60 bus, 70 taxis = 980 for a lame covered FS and a BBBJ not to CIM. Yikes! Lessons learned, I guess, but I still don't know what the lesson was.
Here's the last photo of pretty ajing.
Good luck out there!
Cronin
Superforce99
12-01-03, 03:29
Dear Cronin,
Nice report and pics, though you mention:
"Her biggest fear seemed to be from pregnancy, and this was her concern the first visit too. After telling her about a dozen times that it is absolutley impossible to get pregnant when you are menstrating, she still refused to believe it. I DESCRIBED IN DETAIL JUST WHAT MENSTRATION WAS, WHAT WAS GOING ON IN HER UTERUS. She refused to believe it. Amazing."
Man, your Chinese must be better than I thought! Care to pass on this handy "explanation"? I think it would be useful to many girls since there are many a country girl out there... ;)
Johnny
Cronin,
It is not absolutely impossible to become pregnant during menstruation. It is difficult, but not impossible, and plenty of documented cases exist to demonstrate this.
Hi Cronin, next time you want to use Jing Peng Hotel just tell them that you are a friend of Mr. Sun who always stays in room 806. They should give you my rate of 250rmb/night. Try to get room 806 if you can. It has the best bed in my opinion.
Johnny,
You know better than anyone, my brother, my Chinese consists of Ni How, Zhang Zi Yi and not much more. I couldn't negotiate for a pack of gum in Chinese.
Here's what happened: I used about three words and a lot of hand signals. I just happened to know the word "dan" to say "egg". I forgot the word for blood and didn't want to look that up (although I did bring my dictionary), so I used the word Hong se duh, which means "red". Finally the last word I used was Shem muh sher ho, or "when". That pretty much exhausts my Chinese vocabulary. The rest was hand signals. Its amazing how creative you can be with hand signals when you are truly desperate.
So I said, (or tried to say) "when you are red", (then I pointed with both fingers to both of her fellopian tubes) "the egg", (then I did a sweeping motion with my fingers down toward her vagina and out).
You're probably right, "detailed" may not really describe that explanation. It wasn't detailed in Chinese, that's for sure. But I successfully told her what was happening during menstration in that the egg was gone.
Surprisingly, even with that poor explanation, the response I got showed me that she understood. There was no hesitation in her response, as though she might have been confused. She got it immediately, she just refused to believe that my motives where pure in conveying the information. And she was right, I just wanted to fuck the shit out of her for the next eight hours. But I was also sincerely trying to give her the some valuable information.
As I said, this little one's a worrier, and this bit of knowledge could have been valuable to her, if only to eliminate some future grief on her part. You'd think some of this stuff would get discussed among the girls as they're sitting around for hours and days on end, but apparently not.
However, as a personal favor to you for negotiating my ass out of a thousand land mines, a special offer: if you should ever need my assistance explaining the intricacies of female anatomy to one of your girls, I certainly hope you'll avail yourself of my services. First get her butt naked, legs spread wide, and in a good mood... then give me a call and I'll give her my complete presentation. I'm only too happy to help a brother in need. ;~>
Cronin
Intransit,
Actually, I was telling her that CRONIN couldn't get pregnant when she was menstrating... ;~>
Seriously, you're absolutely right, I remember that now. That's where the egg fails to drop and still gets fertilized. Happens all the time, I forget the medical name. Pretty painful and dangerous for the woman.
I'm laughing trying to imagine how I could have explained that with three words and hand signals.
I think I should work up a whole little multimedia presentation and just go from shop to shop giving out information until I drop from exhaustion. Probably get my testicles bitten off!
Cronin
Csun,
Great to hear from you. Your ears must have been burning Saturday, because we were talking about you.
Weirdly, I did stay in room 806. There's probably a little blood stain on the mattress now, although I didn't check under that sheet, I can't imagine what that thing looks like and don't want to know.
I'll try mentioning your name next time. I will also try booking via internet, which lists a much cheaper price. They told me they would go for the 250 rate, but only if I stayed for several days.
They advertise a sauna with a picture of a naked chick in a wooden bathtub. Ever tried that there? Ever tried any of the hotel girls?
Keep in touch guy,
Cronin
Hi Cronin, rooms on the 8th floor are considered VIP rooms since they have a bigger bed and Ref to keep your cold drinks. I would try to argue with them saying that Mr. Sun recommend the hotel and said that you should get the 250rmb price for room 806. They should give you the rate. If you don't, let me know and I will talk to them next time I am in Shenzhen.
Pregnancy versus Menustration:
Recently a group of researchers found that for a significant portion of women, the egg cycle and menustration cycle had no relationship.
Basically they took a relatively small group of women (around sixty as I recall) and ran tests/scans every day on each of them. They found that a significant portion of the women (20% I think) were dropping eggs multiple times a month and the egg cycle had zero relationship to the menustration cycle.
A larger group were showing the expected egg to menustration relationship.
Bottom line was that you just don't know if she's capable of getting preggers or not. Odds are that she won't but it isn't written in blood (bad pun intended).
Tatoosh
Has the piano bar at the second floor of Century Plaza hotel re-opened ?
It used to be a very convenient pick up area while I was staying there.
Is it still full of working girls ?
William Tellhk
12-04-03, 01:43
Question:
I want to go to Shenzehn today and visit something like the 1-4-1 or MK style brothels...
where is the best palce there to get a cheap nice fuck ?
Please advise !
IlleagleFun
12-07-03, 04:44
Can anybody help me with info on a convenient, cheap way to find the blue pill in SZ? Thanks for the help.
Hi illeaglefun, just to let you know, do not purchase any Viagra in China. I believe that almost all of them are fakes. We purchased some a while back, cut it in two and it does not look exactly like the Viagras that we bought in the U.S. One of the guys we were with was a doctor. He had it tested in the U.S. and found that it only contain 20% Viagra and 80% junk. The packaging and the pills looks exactly like the Viagra packaging. The best way to get Viagra is to purchase them in the U.S. Since there are guys going back and forth between U.S. and Shenzhen, just have someone buy some for you and bring them back to China.
OldAsiaHand
12-07-03, 18:32
Fellow Mongers,
I have been over here in the USA for the last three weeks going crazy. I did manage 3 SW and one AMP visit, but it is just not the same. I actually got stopped by a cop after I dropped off one SW in DC, but got off with a warning since I was not caught in the act. Very close call!
Good news is I am back to Shenzhen this week and looking forward to hooking up for some hunting. Any interested mongers, just give me a call or drop me a line.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
12-07-03, 18:35
illeaglefun,
I am only here a couple more days, but I can try to bring some Viagra for you. How many do you need? If you want to order them online and send to my US address before I leave, just send me a PM.
OAH
Tatooh,
Did you mean to entertain us about menstruation ? Or mensurations ?
Erik,
It must have been a Freudian slip. Menstruation was on my menu. That makes it a menustration.
Just kiddin' ya Tatoosh. I couldn't begin to say that word in any foreign language. Its hard enough to say in English.
Cronin
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