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Faguotonio
03-18-04, 15:19
I need an answer because now I am looking for girls but more like a GF experience. Do you know any place in Shenzhen where I can find a lot of girls, like any good bar or good streets? Just try to get one like this sometimes is more exiting than pay and sometimes you can have good surprise too.
Thanks to let me know it.
Huang Gang Massage Place - a fact finding mission
OK, I gave it a try. The entrance is the very large one. You enter a big hall, on the left is an open restaurant.
I ask some prices and they brought my up to the 5th floor. I had to walk through the 2nd floor open area. The place was HUGE and filled with massage chairs and VERY BUSY. I would say 2-300 people there.
Anyway, the 5th floor had the VIP room. I could choose between chinese and thai massage, thai was it. The room was ectually very large and clean. The bath was huge too and had also a steam room.
The massage lady (Chinese, in a thai dress) did a very good massage. But legit. There was no 'tipsi' request, and after asking, they do not shoot airoplanes either.
I well overpaid her with a generous RMB 20 tip.
Still, a good massage, 2 hours for RMB 216 (always think positive!)
To CSUN123
OAH told me to write to you CSUN123.
Well, I stayed at a hotel called JingPeng on 2008 East Shennan Rd. The internet price listed was:
http://www.shenzhenwindow.net/guides/ac_jingpeng.htm
Standard Twin 220 RMB
Deluxe Twin 328 RMB
When I got to the hotel early March, they said 320 RMB ( 14th floor ). I show them the internet prices and it was less than a month old and still current as of 03.22.2004. I also told them I will be there for a few weeks. They said they have not updated the internet prices yet. I just want to check the price since you (CSUN123) stayed there a few times.
I also want to thank OAH and Storm Cat for a quick tour. It was my first time in Shenzhen and Dongguan. I felt like a rat running around and trying to remember all the food storage location. Might be back later this year.
To OAH,
I went back the to place where the girl said "MAKE LOVE" in Mandarin to me, 400 RMB for the night. Very affectionate girl in bed and outside. I went out with her the next day, GFE.
Planning to see her again, if I go back late this year.
Weelock
Hi S Weelock, I always stay at Jing Peng Hotel and my rate have been the same for over 5 years. I stay on the 8th floor and get a VIP room which has a big bed. I think the room normally goes for over 400rmb but I have always gotten it for 250rmb. All my friends usually e-mail me on when they will be in Shenzhen and I then call ahead and get the 250rmb room for them. I know that some of the other guys have returned to Jing Peng after paying 250rmb the first time however Jing Peng would not give them the 250rmb price the second time since I did not call in the reservation for them.
I suppose I should be honored that Jing Peng Hotel is giving me such a good price. I did stay in Jing Peng Hotel on the average of 3-4 nights every 3 weeks for so for the past 4 years. I used to bring a lot of Taiwanese friends with me when I was working in Taiwan therefore Jing Peng treats me pretty nice. Let me know the next time you will go to Jing Peng and I will call ahead and reserve the room for you.
To CSUN123,
When I talked with the people from the hotel, I recalled your price of around 250 RMB. I even asked OAH and he said it was about 280. I asked two different shifts with my internet price and they said no to the price. The best was 320.
They just finished remodeling the 14th floor, while I was there. I could still smell the paint. They were also doing work on the whole 13th floor. The Starting time, 8am to around 6pm. You could hear them and it got bad for me. Later in the day, I went downstairs to see one of the other floors. They were in very very poor condition compared to the 14th floor. I ended up staying at the 14th floor.
I didn't bring anyone home late but I noticed a guard on duty after 12am. He was wearing a blue uniform with a red side banner on his arm. I saw him there for a few days, might be something new.
Will give you (CSUN123) a ring the next time, maybe later this year.
Thanks,
Weelock
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Weelock:
They pulled exactly the same crap with me at those same price quotes. I had to stand there and argue with three different people, then walk out and come back in before I got the "really good" price of 280. That price is for room 806, which I believe is the same room that Csun uses (and loaned to me once, thanks again for that Csun). It does have a nice big bed, but the bathroom is a little rundown, and the carpet has some strange stains... I don't even want to know what those are. I will go back there again, and take the invoice from last time, but I expect they will not give me the same price. They are hard-as-nails negotiators.
I will go back because they are totally girl friendly. You can walk in and out all day with high heeled pros and they still smile and open the doors. The "walk of shame" is never quite so bad there.
That whole BS line about not updating the internet prices is just that. Those prices have been up for half a year now. No truth in advertising in the PRC (or anywhere else, come to think of it). But you would think that the many internet hotel room sites which depend on the Jing Peng to give accurate rate numbers would raise a stink. If every hotel did what the Jing Peng does, those sites become essentially worthless. Maybe they are.
Hey Csun, nice to see some words from you! Its been too long, my friend.
Cronin
Hi Csun213,
The next time at Jing Peng Hotel, ask them what is the room rate for the 14th and 13th floor. The 14th floor has been remodel and the 13th is in the process. I'm curious since it sounds like from Cronin, the 8th floor rooms are a little run down. The same condition as the other floor I saw. I DON'T think they will give you the same rate (about $250 RMB) for these rooms on the 14th and 13th floor. If you can get the same rate of $250, stay on the 14th or 13th floors. They said the 13th should be done in about 2 months.
At one time, I was thinking about going to Shenzhen Gold Hotel down the block, about 200 yards. The price was 300 RMB and a little better but it didn't happen.
Thanks
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ManonsanBoy
03-29-04, 23:45
Dear mongers
In 2 weeks, I start on a personal quest. I am 50 YO hongker half cast who speak chinese, english, malay (child hood background) some french and enough spannish (international school). I have just sold off my businesses and paid off my ex. No kids. My friends are worried about me.
I can retire. But I am going to monger my way around the world. My choices are based on past experience and this site.
I must say getting the lowest possible price is not the main agenda. I want the best available young flesh. My budget is not a big issue but I am not going to throw money around but if something special, I have paid 1000 USD in the past.
First is Shenzhen, Dongguan, Zuhai and Macau over 1 month. I will then go to Shanghai and Beijing. I had several great experience in Kunming but it is a long way. At least in China, I shall be going for the high end saunas and if a SW catches my eye, that is OK too.
From there, I will head east to Moscow and Saint Petersburg (new experience), Prague (2-3 weeks because it takes time, this place) and Barcelona (more a tourist stop). I am not sure I can be bothered with the rest of Europe but I will stop off at Burgundy, Bordeaux for wine and food but mongering is non existent. Maybe Istanbul for their legit massage.
USA is my experience is a dead loss but will be a non mongering pit stop although the security is very tight. Canada is a waste of time for flesh but I will take in some tourist things.
From there, via Mexico, it is to Cuba for chicas. I have no experience of mongering in Mexico but will probably have a look. I am not sure the rest of the Carribean is worth special stops for mongering. DR girls just do not look OK.
Brazil is next. Have not been there for 25 years but I can remember the girls there............BA should be fun and I will use info from WSG. I have budgeted 5-6 weeks.
Then over to NZ and Australia (Sydney and Melbourne) for a bit of white flesh. I have contacts there and I have been assured a wonderful 2 weeks.
Bali, Jarkata, Batam next. Bali to rest a little and shag myself silly in Batam. It is so cheap there even for good stuff. I will give Singapore a miss but will drop in to BKK and Pattaya. I am considering Vietnam and the Philippines.
I tend not to like ladies from the indian subcontinent or the middle east. Just do not like the way they look. I want to have some african flesh but cannot think of a good place that is acceptably safe.
I want to bang at least 200 women in the next 12 months.
After that, I am going to look for a nice farm girl and retire from mongering.
Wish me luck.
John Siron
03-30-04, 08:51
manonsanboy,
Dude, way to go man. I've always wanted to try the United Nations. :-)
Prague girls are awesome. Actually if you are there, you might as well do the Eastern Europe tour cause many Eastern European ladies look like models.
Russia: need I say more? Look at some of the pictures on the Russian board. :-)
Brazil: Woah... I've been on a few dates with a Brazilian before. :-)
Shanghai: If you need to know where the highend girls are, PM me. I don't like doing BBS' usually as I find them a bit dirty.
Canada: Actually you should go to Montreal and Vancouver. The escort scene is pretty good. Lots of good looking strippers at this strip club called Brandy's and in that building, there is the Swedish Touch massage palor. I believe the girls there look like models and will offer FS.
USA: I suggest trying out LA or NYC for some decent looking girls in the escort scene if you want to be safe.
ManonsanBoy
03-30-04, 19:55
John
I am having fun with my travel agent right now. I wanted a round the world ticket but there are so many stops. I also want a Business class seat. I expect to go through 50-70,000 USD over the year.
I was going to Montreal for some touristy thing. I guess I can check out the scene.
I may have to fly to BKK to start my journey as the tickets are cheaper in BKK. Besides, it will be a good place to start the bangfest.
In China, you can shag for as little as 50 RMB but I see no point. On the other hand, you can go to sauna and be spoilt for 2 hours for 600 RMB in a clean new place. Even higher end will not run to much over 1000. At the top, prices are dictated by obsession.
I am puzzling out Russia right now.
Ilongo_boy
03-30-04, 21:51
manonsanboy,
I envy you. Good luck and have a great time. How come Philippines in not on your itenirary? I will be in Manila this November, let me know if you can swing by.
Ilongoboy
ManonsanBoy
03-31-04, 00:51
Ilongo Boy
It is a good question. Philippines is traditionally a monger place and I went there twice for that purpose in the late 90's. What has happened is the emergence of China as an incredible monger place. Maybe I will relent. It will have to be a side trip because my agent is already mumbling.
On the whole, the girls in the Philippines are older.
Manonsanboy,
200 women in 12 months.
That's about 17 women a month.
Sounds good to me!
Manonsanboy, if you're going to be in Dongguan, don't forget to check out the KTV at the Lungchuen Int'l Hotel. The place is like candyland. In Shenzhen, try Jin Ze She Dai. It's a KTV near Luohu. Pretty impressive talent there. Some of the girls don't go with you though, so talk to the mommy before you pick your girl.
manonsanboy
I have done the Round the world thing, but I was young and poor then :-( also wasnt so smart then, though not so sure that last condition has not remained. Anyway, you may wish to look at Argentina. I did a statistical analysis of WSG (looked at the number of posts by country) and noticed that Buenos Aries has more posts than just about anyplace. They referenced a few escort sites there, and it was quite impressive. The escorts looked to be magazine level girls and the costs were like US$1000 for a week, full time. I have never been there, but I would recommend checking it out as it might be better than Brazil.
Good Luck
TZ
ManonsanBoy
03-31-04, 21:01
TangZhen
Argentina (BA) is definitely on the agenda. I was there more than 20 years ago..........with girl friend. Had not began this habit of mongering yet. A couple I know who does not know my mongering habit says what an reinvigorating trip hehehe.......
I am rather excited about all this. Went looking for a camera and a laptop. Will probably settle for a SONY and a Dell, common garden stuff. I am adding eastern Europe to the schedule in addition to Prague. Having a thorough health check tomorrow, including the dentist. Making arrangements about credit cards etc. Noy sure how good access to the web is in some of the places I am going. Planning to carry a cabin samsonite. I have been on the road long enough to know how to get laundry done.
My agent has asked me what is the maximum I am prepared to spend on the ticket. She also suggested I start in Pattaya/BKK because I can get in Southern China in the spring and do Russia/Europe around June/July when it is warm.
Muscle Control
Does anyone knows a contact in SZ area with good muscle control? Just read a report on one gal with an extraordinary vagina muscle, but won't hop on a plane just for that (at least not for now).
Any similar experience here in the south (SZ, DG, GZ)?
OldAsiaHand
04-02-04, 09:05
DayNight:
I had a fanastic muscle control experience a couple of months ago in Shenzhen in a BBS off of Shennan Lu out past OCT. Yellow Fever took us on an expedition through his usual hunting grounds and I found the girl in a shop in that area.
Yellow Fever,
Can you provide some better directions of how to find that shop?
OAH
OldAsiaHand
04-02-04, 09:23
manonsboy,
I certainly envy you, as well. You seem to have selected some of the best mongering spots in the world.
I might check on the current situation on Cuba though. The scene there has its ups and downs. Another alternative in that area is Costa Rica, and Jamaica is not bad, but I sense you do not like the darker stuff that much. Maybe you should reconsider DR if you speak Spanish. I had a pretty good time there a year or so ago. The selection of quality talent was excellent, especially at the Remington Palace when I was there.
I also recommend Vietnam. I just returned from six days there. Girls are gorgeous and service is fantastic. I find the Northern Vietnamese girls better than in the South.
Good luck and Happy Hunting! And, be sure to post your adventures along the way!
OAH
ManonsanBoy
04-02-04, 11:29
Old Asia Hand
My exasperated agent has got back to me. Its going to cost 9800 USD for what I want and even then, there are limitations. She suggested getting a skeleton RTW airfare with one of the alliances and do side trips. I said keep trying.
I have not had much experience of darker skin talent. I would like to remedy the situation. I had a terrible experience in Atlanta SW some years ago and it would take more than Viagara for me to get it up with a dark skin lady.
I was in Vietnam more than 10 years ago and mongering then was a hit and miss experience but yes, the talent was great.
When I put up the original post, I was worried with the reaction I would get because it was a PLAN, not a report. But the response has been gratifying.
Take off minus 10 if my agent can get her at together.
RasSpewtin
04-02-04, 21:46
OAH:
You've got me very curious about that BBS off Shennan Lu past OCT. Would you mind sending me an email when you figure our the location of the shop that you reference in the post below?
Hope to see you in May.
Raz
ManonsanBoy
04-02-04, 22:05
OAH
Where did you do your mongering in Vietnam?
OldAsiaHand
04-03-04, 16:11
manonsanboy,
Hanoi and HCMC. I've always found the girls in Hanoi closer to a GFE than HCMC. I will post my adventures on the Vietnam threads soon.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
04-03-04, 16:15
Ras,
I thought you might be interested since you always stay out that way. I'm afraid you would never find the area from my directions. I am sure your fellow countryman, Yellow Fever, can help. If he does not surface with a post before you get here, we can call him.
OAH
Manosanboy:
I envy your plan.
About CANADA - There is a very active escort and massage scene in Toronto. Massage is not FS, but escorts service is everything and anything you could want. Read the Toronto section.
You should also add Frankfurt Germany for at least a few days. FKK Palace in Frankfurt will blow you away. See "Other Clubs" in FKK Germany section.
Add Costa Rica and Dominican Rep to your list as good stops going from North to South America. Check out the details in their respective sections.
We should petition Jackson to start a separate board for you to post your adventures.
Good Luck, Good Pumping and remeber to send a postcard or two.
'Bare
OldAsiaHand
04-10-04, 05:48
Sha Tsui Update:
After a couple of weeks of reluctance based on Ras and Illeagle's recent experience, Lucky and I hit the area. Unfortunately, I could not find my previous mamasan's place so we roamed around a bit. Except for a brief following by a Bao An down one alley (at the end, he turned right, we turned left and he did not follow), we were left pretty much alone. However, the two mamasans we were following were afraid of the guy and scurried off quickly.
Followed one mamasan up to a place that smelled really bad so we decided not to stay. Up to another one where about 20 girls were brought in. Lucky picked one with a big rack and I picked another one. When mine got closer, I noticed she had a sore on her mouth so I wanted to change to another one. The first one was bitching that I had to pay her some money to change. I hadn't even touched her yet. She was causing a scene so we decided to bolt.
Caught up with the same mamasan a few minutes later and she took us to another apartment and arranged the same two girls with the racks for us. After all that hassle, the service was worthless. A reluctant and mechanical BBBJ, followed by obviously faked enjoyment with FS. Got tired of cowgirl style after less than a minute and complained about the pain with doggy style. She kept asking me to get on top and do all the work missionary style. Waste of time and money even at 160RMB. They asked for 10RMB room clean-up charge or something.
It was kind of let down after my previous experiences in the area, but I have to admit the girls in Sha Tsui are younger and better looking overall compared with other areas in SZ. Having said that, I am not in a real hurry to return.
OAH
ManonsanBoy
04-11-04, 08:54
Plans are coming together nicely.
Flying to BKK Friday to pick up ticket and start first part of journey. I have established 3 email accounts and basically piled a lot of cash into 2 Visas and 2 mastercards accounts. I have had previously problems transferring money. I also have an AE. Health check will be done in BKK (1/3 price of HK).
I decided to take a golf bag and this is the "cover". Some of my friends will join me in some spots around the world for golf. I do not monger with my friends.
Guess I may as well start it all in BKK/Pattaya/Changmai.
Feel curiously flat.
To Bob Builder:
There is only 1 place that closely compares to this and that is Tai Ping in Dongguan over 8 years ago where there used to be so many girls working on the street (even during the day) approaching you that you had to literally push them aside if you wanted to get anywhere. quote from 02-24-04 00:44
How's is Tai Ping now, today. I tried finding Tai Ping on a Map and couldn't find it. I have attached a map of Donguan.
OldAsiaHand
04-15-04, 11:53
I went down to the Jusco area to take the ice off before meeting a friend for dinner. The area continues to thrive. Who did I see back from an extended leave of absence, but the imfamous #21. I know all her many fans will be glad to hear the good news! Several reliable mongers I have heard from have all raved about her oral skills. Although tempted to try her myself, she is really not my type for looks, so I moved on to find more palatable delicacies.
A girl in a newly opened shop called out to me. When I walked over to her, she proceeded to give me a very erotic sales pitch including that her BJ skills were unmatched in the area. She had a nice rack, but she was a Guangdong native and which I do not often take, and a bit chunky besides. However, I am a sucker for good head so I followed her upstairs anyway. It turned out to be the closest to a GFE I have had in a long time. BBBJ with AR followed by FS in multiple postions with a doggy finish. I even broke my rule of no DATY. She was one of the cuddly teddy bear types and was in no hurry before or after the deed.
Met my buddy for dinner and we went back for seconds. He picked a tall, slim girl in one shop, but the one I fancied in another shop was nabbed before I got back around to take her. I decided to pass on the seconds and headed off for a massage in the WalMart area.
Being the addicted monger that I am, I could not resist a quick look around the area, nor could I resist a little cutie similar to what I had just missed out on at Jusco. A new arrival to the game, the service was just so so. Was disappointed with an absolute refusal for BJ, even after I said I would leave with out it. A pretty mechanical experience compared with the first one.
BTW, I noticed that many of the shops in the area were shut down for some reason. Anybody know what is going on?
OAH
OldAsiaHand
04-15-04, 12:07
S Wheelock,
I also remember Tai Ping in the old days and the Long Chuen (sp?) Hotel. The nightclub had 600-800 girls spread out along the perimeter of the main room to select from. I am curious if anybody has been there recently too.
OAH
The Master
04-16-04, 13:34
OAH,
There was a report on tom.com, that Sha Tsui area or one of the spot at the area was cleaned out.
It said that it was a shop who operatoed by several people from HK, using CCTV ( High Tech ) to let the mong to pick the gal, and then deliver.
go to Tom.com and you will find the news there with pictures, I think this explains why the Jusco area is showing like you mentioned, is not too far away from there.
Hey guys:
Thanks tons for the info. pm to me from all of you.
I have one more question I will be staying in the grandview hotel where would be the closest action to the hotel?
Any suggestions or help is appriciated.
David
Smile,
That hotel is pretty close to the Grand Holiday Hotel. At Grand Holiday Hotel, they have a big KTV called Las Vegas. It's a pretty good place. Check it out if you get a chance.
OldAsiaHand
04-21-04, 02:42
Master,
Thanks for the info. Can you post or PM me the link to the story?
Thanks.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
04-21-04, 02:45
Smile,
There are also plenty of SW in that area at night on both sides of Caitian Lu, and the side streets. The Futian Walmart area is just a short cab ride away (less than 5 minutes).
Happy Hunting!
OAH
OAH:
I have seen and been approchad by them as well as invited in each bbs which there is planty out here but all are short with no ass and tits
David
Ahhh, Shenzhen - Back, at last.
At the recommondation of who else, OAH, the lao ban of Shenzhen I made a late night foray to the Jusco area. It was well after 1:00am on a Saturday morning, but the talent was plentiful.
With a sh-t-eating newbie grin on my face I tried to hold on and check out all the talent first (just like you taught me OAH) but I was a goner after about 3 lanes. What can I say? It's been a long two-months. I really tried though, honest.
I was able to find just the kind of xiao tiae that I like. Mickey is a 31 year old Fujian cutie that I found at shop one lane closer to the main street than we usually end up picking from.
Sorry boys and girls, no pictures, but as the boss of Jusco says there are lots of new shops open.
Where I come from here how we rate them:
Looks-8; Attitude-9; Service-8.5.
In Chinese I guess you call it: almost gfe. pretty face, BBBJ, A/R and multiple positions.
She gave me her mobile number if anyone is interested.
Happy to be back and reporting.
Cappy
P.S. Just a word of caution to any overseas boys visiting this month to not ruin things for the westerners and expats living here. I must of had "mark" written all over my face. The first couple of shops started off by quoting rmb300. They quickly got into line when I told them the score.
Dodgy Fellow
04-26-04, 21:05
Fellow mongers,
Last Saturday I went to Jusco to ease some stress. Found a decent chick, had a decent time, then left the same way I came. I left the building and promptly saw two cops walking my way. I acted as cool as I could and left the narrow streets behind, making my way towards Shennan Road.
Then a couple of guys ran up to me. They were in plainclothes and asked me in Chinese why I was looking for a hooker. Claimed to be cops. They talked about how it was illegal, and that I was looking at a 10,000 yuan fine and maybe six months in jail.
Few things feel so shitty than to have your post-orgasmic mood snuffed out the way it happened to me that night.
To make a long story short - and after much groveling - they said I could just pay the fine and forego any special appearance at the local precinct. So we went to an ATM and I forked over several thousand yuan (fortunately not the full amount). If I wasn't so flat broke nowadays, they would've gotten more. Afterwards they let me go.
This was the first time I've gotten into trouble for mongering, and I've only been to Jusco all of five times. But I've read up about the regular patrols in the area by both uniformed and plainclothes dicks. I think I was actually followed once by a pair during one of my earlier trips, though I can't be sure if it's the same pair of guys who busted me the other night.
I PMed a few veterans of the Shenzhen scene before posting this, and many thanks to you gentlemen for comments, because it helped me see what just happened from a different perspective.
* Were they real cops? Was I scammed?
Me - I don't know. I did (meekly) ask if they were cops, but then the fuckers said we could talk about it at the precinct. At the time I wasn't sure if I should've pressed the issue and asked for some ID. I'm still not sure if I should've asked them for ID. It didn't help that two uniformed cops DID see me as a walked out of the building. After reading the recent Sha Tsui fiasco it didn't take much for me to think that the uniformed guys sent the plainclothes cops after me.
And if I did press the issue and they admitted they were fake, what then? Fuck, for all I know they could've gone all "doing our civic duty" on me and just dragged me to the uniformed cops. What would I have told the real cops then? "These two fuckers are posing as cops so they can scam me because I was doing something that's not exactly legal?"
* Is it a new strategy by the cops to make a little more money?
Me - Fuck, that thought did cross my mind shortly after I got busted. Labor Day's coming up, and I'm sure everyone could use a little more money for the "Golden Week."
* Did they take me anywhere else?
Me - If you mean like drag me to other cops or take me back to the brothel, the answer is no. They just caught up to me, one guy played lookout while the other interrogated me. Then I was escorted to the nearest ATM machine. All the while they were talking to mobile phones, like they're filing reports and shit.
As I write this the more I'm thinking that I was scammed by a couple of con artists, though I'm still not sure. This is all doing WONDERS for my self esteem.
* Is this the latest get-rich-quick scheme? And am I the only victim?
Me - Fuck it worked like a charm, that's for certain. Doesn't matter if they were legit cops or hustlers. Bottom line is I'm broke. I don't know if any of you folks have experienced this at Jusco or the other mongering spots; one of the veterans I PMed prior to posting this said he's never encountered this sort of problem here in Shenzhen.
In any case, as angry as I am about what happened, I am not going to tempt fate and go back to Jusco. I'm not sure if I'll ever go back there.
I do ask that you guys be extra alert. One of the kind folks here who I talked to before posting this asked whether those guys did show any ID. They didn't, so maybe they weren't real cops. But I don't know how they would've reacted if I pressed them for ID.
Thanks for your time.
James Cook
04-27-04, 12:56
Dodgy Fellow:
Absolutely they are 2 fake cops defraud you, because their statmen is totally wrong. They say six months instend of 15 days.
I don’t believe I read of any foreigner (white) getting arrested/fined in Southern China Guangzhou, Shenzhen area. If anyone know please reply. I don't live in China and I only been to Shenzhen once early this year. What I have been reading is the establishment get closed and the owners and girls getting jailed or fined. Some people getting executed like what happened in Zhu Hai. I heard of kidnapping and NOT to follow unknown people (girls) around in Shenzhen. This was in the Shenzhen or Hong Kong board last year I believe. There was several broadcasting about this in English when I was in Shenzhen. The cops finally arrested the kidnappers.
To Dodgy Fellow:
How many undercover cops were there?
I don't think they (fake cops) would have mess with you if you were a foreigner (white) and maybe with another person. I'm assuming they spoke to you in Chinese (Mandarin) since most people speak Mandarin in Shenzhen.
Following a three-day trip to Beijing the week of April 12 and then three days in Shanghai the week of April 19, I got to Shenzhen late last week for a two-night visit. There was some conference going on and hotel rooms were very tight. Due to some understanding between me and my travel agent, I was booked for one night only in the Shangri-La and there was absolutely no room for me the following night. After much effort by the travel agent the next day I moved to the Pavilion New Century, an old four-star next door to the five-star Pavilion (which was also full).
On the ground floor of the Pavilion is the Great White Dolphin Sauna, which one can access through the hotel lobby or the street. It is actually located in the basement, beautifully decorated, spacious and clean. There are probably more than 20 VIP suites, and I took a small one-person suite (complete with a steam-shower facility and a sauna).
After a quick shower the manager brought in a sweet young girl for me. She’s almost an 8 and I accepted. I forgot her name now and although she did write down her mobile phone for me I forgot to take that piece of paper when I left. This is something that I really regret as she’s quite pretty, with eyes that were like those of my first girl friend.
We started with a routine massage on the big double bed, and I behaved myself quite well, only touching her thighs occasionally. After I flipped over my hands became more adventurous, and she just giggled at my advances. Finally, when she came to work on my dick, I pulled her over and caressed her breasts. Although she allowed me to take her tops off she would not allow me to take her pants off. I could only insert my finger into her tight pants and caress her labia, but not into the vagina. We had great fun rolling all over the bed caressing each other, and she was such a great teaser that it was really the best experience I have had with a masseuse in many years.
The bill came to 1,200 yuan, not bad for a luxurious and comfortable place. I wish I could go back and find her again.
Dodgy Fellow
I think you got scammed. I would have ask to go to the police station. Or by chance approache any police man in the vicinity.
But good idea, next time I see a REAL policeman (black uniform, JingAn written on it) I will ask for his ID. Just to see how a real ID looks like.
I'm still more into those barber shops outside of SZ and they seem to be less in the focus. Sauna places and hotels should still be perfectly safe.
WooVictor
1200 is a bit steep for no sex. Be glad you lost the number.
To TangZhen
Thanks for your post on the big rack shop. Could please give me the exact location, would like to visit it.
If any of you know other places where I can find girls with huge and heavy breasts, let me know.
OldAsiaHand
05-01-04, 10:55
bblover,
The rack shop no longer has very big racks. The quality of the talent has gone downhill since the Lao Ban was caught dipping his pen in the company ink so to speak. The Lao Ban Yang left him with the shop and most of the girls bolted under the new management.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
05-01-04, 11:03
Dodgy Fellow,
As I mentioned in my PM, even though I do sympathize with you, I have to agree with the consensus on this thread. You were scammed, however, none of us can be sure what we would do under your circumstances.
Speaking Mandarin, and being of Chinese descent did not help you. For westerners, the strategy could have been to just ignore the guys, pretend not to understand and jump in a taxi. Or, even walk to the nearest Police Station and see if they follow.
There are many stories of this type in the local and HK newspapers, but mostly lured by SW to an apartment nearby.
Be careful out there my friends!
OAH
Dodgy Fellow
Your post still goes through my head. Just logically, shouldn't the 'police' present any evidence? IMHO you can only be charged if they catch you with your dick in one of her cavities - or - if the girl will testify against you (in which case she get charged too).
But sure, looking chinese and speaking mandarin will definitely not work in your advantage in such a tricky situation.
Bob Builder
05-03-04, 14:52
Please take some time out to think where you are playing.
You can shag a woman bareback for RMB150.
Are you in a position to argue in a place where the value of life is 0?
I would say that they so-called GongAn were probalby fake but are smart enough to spot a sucker a mile away.
You gave in easily as you knew you were doing something wrong and felt guilty.
To those who think that they may have gotten away but confronting these guys with going to the local LE station. They could switch hats just as easily knowing that their ruse is not working and drag you into an alley and beat the fuck out of you and then rob you. This has happened to someone I know and they were tooled up.
Chances are they are in cohoots with the local authorities anyway.
Just remember this next time you have the urge for a cheap RMB150 fuck as this is the risk you take and it can get a little expensive.
BBLover:
The big rack shop as OAH noted is just a memory (ah the thought of Ai Juing), but that does not mean that such types of girls can not be found. I might recommend Yue Jing who has a very nice set. She can be found in the Jusco area very close to the 7-11 which is on the street on the left side facing away from Jusco. It has the advantage of being very close to the main street. I can make a couple of other recommendations, such as Zhang San San who is behind the Orietal Regent Hotel on Shennan lu. Go behind the hotel and you should see a stainless steel archway, go through it and on the first alley on the right check out the shops, there are only a couple there.
In a related note, I advise patrons to quickly leave any area after service. I normally make a direct line to the nearest taxi and leave. I walk quick but dont run. You can take your time before, just look lost and surprised that so many cute girls seem so friendly.
Dodgy Fellow, You have my sympathies, you likely did the right thing in pay and leave, but you likely had target written all over you by looking nervous, or rich. Dont get down on yourself, but look to see how you could have maybe had a different attititude that might have helped.
Peace,
TZ
Hoser Hater
05-04-04, 08:42
Just a quick note for anyone who might go looking for the afore mentioned "yue jing" by jusco and 7-11. Yuejing means period (as in monthly) in mandarin, so I would not walk the streets asking girls if they are yuejing.
Cheers,
HH
There is a nice five star hotel in Baoan. Has anybody been there? I have been there once but don't remember the name. It has a nice restaurant, massage sauna and a fantastic ktv in the basement with tins of chicks.
If someone knows this, pls pm me the name of this hotel and its details.
Thanks
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Hoser Hater, funny point. Maybe my muddled brain has finally lost it or she has a funny name. Indeed it does mean menstural period. For those who may wish to find the girl, go to the 7-11 and check the first alley back tword Jusco. If you find a nice girl with a rather pretty face and large, rather soft tits, go for it. And post her name (ask Nin Gui Xin? nice and formal) so I can stop (or start) worrying about alzheimers. Doing doggy with her was nice, good view but you have to lean a bit to the side. Actually her face is really nice once you look at it, but it takes a while to encourage the eyes to move off the tits. She sometime likes to jump up and down on the bed, which is rather amusing to watch.
RasSpewtin
05-07-04, 20:40
WSG Readers Poll: Your Favorite Alley Behind Jusco?
As I recall, there are four alley ways behind Jusco, all running parallel to the main street directly behind Jusco.
My favorite of the 4 is Alley #1, and I have 21 reasons for my preference. (Aaahhh...the nasty memories of #21, she did things that you can't even say for fear of being struck by lightening).
So here's the Poll Question. What is your favorite alley way behind Jusco, and why? (#1 is the one closest alley to Jusco, etc).
I don't have a big prize to offer, but this could be a good topic for conversation at our next convention!
Raz
I was in Shenzhen a few months ago and stayed at what used to be the Sheraton. It has a HC on the second floor and a nice indian restaurant at the the ground fl attached to the reception. This place has some good massage options but no FS. They also have a new system of recording time. According to them 1hr=45mts and 3 hrs = 135 mts. There is a board in the recep area which says 3 hrs but what they mean is 3 sessions of 45 mts each.
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Guys! I will be going to Shenzhen in a couple of weeks time. I have been there and never had any fun. Can someone help me with some good mongering places / contacts with phone nos. Prefer at least slightly english speaking gals since I have no Chinese.
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OldAsiaHand
05-08-04, 16:48
Raz,
There are actually four and a half alleys if you count the half alley which comes in from the east side and ends at the police dept. basketball court. I have had pretty good luck on this one lately, but my favorite is a toss up between 3 & 4, but probably 3 if I have to choose. Seems to have the most talent and friendliest girls, but then 4 has the "Two Sisters" shop.
OAH
Could someone please tell me where Jusco and Futian Walmarts are located (street names or nearby hotels?). I was in Shenzen a week ago and stayed at the Century Plaza, was I close to these places? All around my hotel I was offered girls and massages but didn't take up any offers.
Hello justatip,
To find Jusco area, find Starbucks located at:
Citic Citi Plaza, Shennan Lu, Futian (opposite of City Hall), Tel. 2594 1302
Citic Citi Plaza is an expensive shopping center that has about 6 floors. You find things like Gucci, Louie Vuitton for sale, and a Starbucks The Jusco Area itself is about 4-5 blocks long running parallel to the Plaza, It's the first block behind Starbucks/ Plaza Area. See link at:
http://www.inshenzhen.de/gps/futian/map_futian.htm
Move your mouse to "Starbuck's coffee" on the left for exact location marking a RED DOT on the map.
For Futian Walmart, it's south of "Electronic market" on the same map of Futian. Go south on Huaquang Rd. It's about 3 long block south of Electronic market. The map is not to scale. If you find Walmart that is the main area of Futian. For hotels, they are mainly located in Luohu area about 10 mins by taxi. I noticed some hotels on the map called Novotel, Pavilion and Shanghai but I don't know anything about these hotels. I believe if you go back like last year on WSG Forum, you will find other people giving directions to Jusco and Futian Walmart.
Weelock
P.S. Don't get busted.
To justatip:
Forgot to to add also look at these website for information on hotels and maps.
http://www.inshenzhen.de/index.htm
http://www.topwebdesignltd.com/china/shenzhen/sz.htm
http://www.shenzhenwindow.net/home.htm
http://www.shenzhenwindow.net/guides/downtownmap.htm
Don't get busted and watch out for SARS. I read there were four new cases found in China in later April.
Weelock
justatip
Jusco is on ShenNan Lu in CITIC City Plaza. Ask for Zhong Xin Guang Chang. It is not so far from the hotel you mentioned, but not within easy walking distance. about a 15 RMB taxi, you go behind the mall and cross the street and start looking.
Futian Walmarts is on FuXin lu. a bit further away. Just ask a taxi for wal-a-ma on FuXin Lu and you might get there. The shops are within 3 minutes walking distance from there.
Hope this helps.
Peace,
tz
Yellow Fever #2
05-10-04, 05:32
i found this story in the ny times.
please note the following key point:
"ms. wu called for a crackdown on rampant prostitution "
i'm not shaking in my boots but i wonder what they are going to do?
here's the article:
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china announces plan to curb rapid spread of aids
by jim yardley
published: may 9, 2004
eijing, may 9 — the chinese government warned today that aids continues to spread rapidly in the world's most populous country and announced new "urgent measures" to upgrade prevention and education efforts that include holding local officials directly responsible for curbing the fatal disease.
"those officials breaching duty or hiding epidemic reports will be severely punished," stated a 12-page circular from the state council, china's cabinet. the official new china news agency released the circular today.
meanwhile, vice prime minister wu yi, the government's point person in fighting aids, cautioned that china was at a crucial stage because the disease may soon jump from such high-risk groups as prostitutes and intravenous drug users into the general population.
ms. wu called for a crackdown on rampant prostitution and the sort of illegal blood selling that led to the outbreak of aids in rural central china. she also said condom use and clean needle exchanges for drug users should be encouraged. her comments, publicized in state media today, came in a speech last month.
if china fails to improve its response to the disease, ms. wu cautioned: "the consequences will be very grievous." experts have predicted that china could have as many as 10 million aids patients by 2010 if the government fails to adequately fight the disease.
as yet, government statistics estimate that china has 840,000 people who are carriers of h.i.v. an additional 80,000 have tested positive for aids. more than 100,000 people are already believed to have died of the disease. the new announcement noted that aids is in every province and region of china.
the announcement is the latest effort by the chinese government to confront a disease whose spread officials once actively sought to conceal. in the past year, china has introduced a limited program providing some free drugs to aids patients and launched a public relations campaign to reduce stigma and encourage more people to be tested.
a central focus of the state council circular was improving education, particularly in rural areas, state media reported. aids education will be included in the curriculum of the country's middle schools, vocational schools and colleges. aids prevention posters should be displayed at public "entertainment venues." already, posters and billboards with prevention messages are on display in large cities, like beijing.
medical workers, the circular stated, will also be charged with discussing aids prevention with patients and encouraging condom use as a means of protecting against the disease. pregnant women will be given free treatment to protect against transmission of h.i.v. from mother to child.
the pointed instruction that local officials would now be held accountable for fighting the disease comes after officials in places like henan province once arrested journalists and others who sought to expose the spread of the disease. the circular ordered local governments in areas hit hard by the disease to establish aids prevention and treatment working committees.
I'm getting confused! Isn't the "behind 'Jusco' BBS scene" near the Panglin Hotel? (in Eastern Lohou)
When you mean Walmart, did you mean the underground 'Walmart Neighbourhood Store' next to the Starbucks?
The nearest big Walmart from Lohou should be in Hungwu Lu (Wuking Walmart).
To DayNight,
I believe there are two places justatip is asking about, Jusco and Futian Walmarts. These are two different places. For Starbuck, it's just a point of reference for locating Citic City Plaza. In the Plaza there is a Gucci, Starbuck, Pizza Hut and a KFC. The Jusco Citic City Plaza should be easy to find since it covers such a large area.
Futian Walmarts is another area. It's west of Jusco, Citic City Plaza. ( See maps on Website in my previous posting. ) For Panglin Hotel and Sunshine located in Lohou, I think it's still a totally different area for BSS shops. I read this in an older posting from another user. ( See link for area for map of Panglin Hotel in Lohou ). When I was shopping / walking around Panglin and Sunshine Hotel, I didn't see any BBS Shops. It might be becuase BBS are usually located in alleys. They are hard to find. I was approached by pinps and manasans around the hotels in the Lohou area.
http://www.inshenzhen.de/gps/luohu/map_luohu.htm
People you need to go thru some of the older posting for information.
Weelock
Regarding the report saying "Ms. Wu called for a crackdown on rampant prostitution," I wonder if that means non-rampant is OK. :-)
Seriously, a "crackdown" will only drive the business deeper underground, further separating it from the mainstream of society, and making it even more difficult for prostitutes to get treated like human beings, e.g., getting proper medical attention. The result will be more rapid spread of AIDS. If they instead do something useful, like give prostitutes periodic STD check-ups and information about prevention, the result will be a decrease in the spread of AIDS by sex workers. They should look at Singapore and Germany for examples of how to manage this. I would guess the Chinese already know all this, so it makes me wonder if they are really serious about fighting AIDS, or have some other purpose. Of course, this can be a difficult political issue, but I would hope they choose a course of action that produces the result of disease-prevention, not face-saving. I think disease-prevention is more important.
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On my first afternoon in Shenzhen I was strolling around downtown and happened to find the Jusco department store at CITIC City Plaza. I recalled the "behind Jusco" information from this board, so I explored the nearby streets. Unfortunately, I didn't go into the alleys at first.
On the main streets you can see a lot of places with a barber pole and a hostess out front, and stairs that immediately lead up to the second floor. I went in one place and picked a girl, massage was 25rmb/hr. I got neither FS nor a professional massage, but it was nice to hang out with the girl, so I stayed 2 hrs. She offered "tui you" ("press oil") which is HJ, and didn't include oil. She asked for a tip and I thought 100 total would be OK. She accepted it, but then at the front desk I found out I still had to give the house 50 (standard for 2 hrs). Not wanting to make a big deal of it, I gave it and left.
Then I found the alleys. There are several first-floor shops where girls are sitting around, you can clearly see them from outside, or wander in and chat (in Chinese). The mama openly told me I can pick a girl for FS. Mama wanted 50 up front, then I can go with the girl. I asked how much to give the girl, she said I have to talk to the girl. I said OK, but I'll give the 50 to the girl. Then I went with the girl to an upstairs apartment. She wanted 200, I said 150, and she said no. I said I can pay 150 elsewhere so maybe I should leave, and she said 150 is OK. One thing good about this place is you can take a shower before and after, which was especially needed in this case because the girl bled. I am wondering if HIV is more easily spread when a girl is on her period. We used a condom, of course, but I imagine viruses can get in through skin sometimes, or maybe via the tip if something contaminated touches it while taking the condom off.
Afterwards, I gave her the 150, plus another 5 she wanted for fast food, and then we went back to the shop. We chatted some more and they gave me a cup of water. Then another girl said she wanted to do me. I said I have no money, you give me money. :-) She said OK, but in the room I told her I really have no money and let her check my pockets. When she didn't find any money she left the room.
I think I'll go back soon, there's another girl there I liked, and there are other shops around.
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OldAsiaHand
05-11-04, 15:10
justatip,
Please allow me to clarify:
Jusco area is behind the Citic Plaza as mentioned. Just go out the back, cross the street at the crosswalk and enter the alleys from the left side of the street perpendicular to Jusco.
Futian Walmart is in fact on Fuxing Lu, and yes, if you just tell the taxi drive Fuxig Lu De Walmart as Tangzhen suggested you will get there. There are 5-6 Walmarts in Shenzhen so be sure to mention the street.
The Panglin Hotel area is across the street from the hotel. Just walk down the street with all the outdoor restaurants and turn left about 100 meters in. Take a right into the alleys to find the shops.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
05-11-04, 15:13
Yellow Fever,
Where have you been? I've tried to call and sent you a PM. A fellow countyman of yours (Raz) stays at Crowne Plaza and wants you to show him your hunting grounds out that way. He should be in China very soon. You guys should hook-up.
OAH
RasSpewtin
05-11-04, 20:30
OAH:
Thanks for the tip. Would like to hook up with Yellow Fever if I can. My latest plans have me in SZ for the weekend of May 21 or May 28. Are you in SZ or GZ for those weekends?
Raz
ManonsanBoy
05-11-04, 23:30
World trip
Hi mongers
After health check (not so good with cholesterol but otherwise OK), BKK/Pattaya.
I lost my laptop & camera.
But 2 weeks in BKK, Pattaya and Chiangmai: count 24. Total cost to date including some golf and hotels (RTW ticket not counted) 4300 dollars US.
The best was a triple at Darlings (2 hours) of BKK for 200 USD. They did everything to me and I managed to unload 3 times in 2 hours. Not bad for 51. Afterwards I went to have an oil massage and went to hotel very relaxed.
I decided not to try Cambodia and gave Phuket a miss.
Vietnam.
JUSCO is called Jijudao in Mandarin. Just hop in a cab and tell the cab driver;
Wo xiang chui Jijudao.
Actually, it might be better to say;
Wo xiang chui Zhongxin Guangchang.
If you're in a car and riding from Luohu to Futian on Shennan Lu, you can't miss it. It's a big shopping plaza on the left side. I guess this is where all the rich Chinese and expat Japanese do their shopping, they have some pricey stuff there.
The place with the small underground Walmart and the Starbucks next to it is called Jianingna and that's across the street from Century Hotel, called Shindu Jodian in Mandarin.
I was again in 'Er Gung Ling', next to PingHu. I post it here coz it's still 0755 area. I went again to my usual place in that street that has 10 or so brothels. But my place has some appartments next door and the invironment is quite nice.
Anyway, today I did not choose, I ask for someone with 'good service' and got a young lady from Yunnan.
A real beauty and very nice shape. Maybe a bit short. She smiled at me immidiatly and off we went to the appartment.
She was a real happy hooker! Laughing and poking fun all the time. Did also do a good BBBJ. After insertion, she couldn't stop laughing when I tried to explain in my poor Mandarin to make the vigina muscle work - but she got my meaning and it worked well.
There was also no rush at all. Total charge was 150, but I gave 200. I will be back!
You can call the brothel at: 0755/28459606 and ask for location (there is only 1 gal from Yunnan)
Brain Damaged
05-14-04, 08:39
Went to Jusco a few days ago with a fellow mongerer that I've known for years. He chose a 20 year old and had a lot of fun: bbbj, two times for RMB300. I had a 24 year old, cheery but not very good service as she had more of a no this, no that attitude. I usually prefer KTV and went to Sha Tsui last week with some friends from HK. They had a 2-3-6 pricing (RMB200 sitting, RMB300 FS, RMB600 overnight) and about 50 gals to chose from. As other posters have mentioned, if you go with someone native to the HK/Shenzhen area, then you shouldn't have too many hassles. I felt very safe and comfortable.
Thanks to OldAsiaHand TangZhen and especially S Weelock for the great links. I went through pages of old posts but couldn't find any details. It seems that I was so close to the action but didn't know it. I Had Strabucks every morning but at Friendship Square, next time will definately go to Futian Starbucks at Citic Plaza. There is always a next time and hopefully it will be soon (2-3 months). Back home in Europe now and already miss those pretty pitite Chinese girls.
Dunderhead
05-15-04, 15:42
Brain Damage,
Could you post up a business card or address in Chinese for Jusco? I don't know if its already on this thread.
I've stopped going to the apartment blocks beside the Shang. A really dreadful choice is presented in a really bad room. Macau is cheaper and cleaner/safer at the East Asia Hotel!
I stayed at the Panglin Hotel and on Sunday. I was overwhelmed by the SW"s right in front of the hotel. Was difficult to walk even without someone grabbing at my shirt. I got a great peice for 500rmb full night. I had great fun, but then found she was bleeding. Even though I was fully covered I am kind of scared now. I washed up thoroughly, immediately after I saw the blood with hot water. Hope I dont catch anything.
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FrankJohnson
05-18-04, 08:03
Shenzhen trip report:
Spent a week in Shekou district. Stayed at the HonLux just next to the open waterfront plaza. There is a street as you walk out to the left of the main entrance. It is like running a gauntlet if you try to walk it after 6 p.m. Bars and girls everywhere.
Summary:
LuLu: Cute, BBBJTC, Multiples and stayed night for 500RMB.
Celine: Stunner, 5'1", beautiful large breasts, lovely face. BBBJ, BBFS, one great pop for 500RMB.
Catherine: Young and tight. Works at "Wendy's" bar. BBBJTC, Multiples, DFK, stayed all night for 500RMB.
The hotel did not seem to mind my bringing girls to the room.
Great bargain. Drank LOTS of beer, had lots of fun and lots of sex for an entire week for <$400.
I did try to thoink one absolute beauty; Christine at "Ideas" bar. Tall, slender, long black hair, and come fck me eyes. After two evenings, she said she did not go home with guys. Has anyone experienced her?
PM me if you want phone numbers for these girls or more detail.
Hi Gents! Hey OAH!
It's been a while since I've in on this board...
I was between jobs and of course preference was with frequent trips to China. :) Working for another very large multinational company. Been there for 3 months and just got a confirmation for trip to SZ next month!Oh boy, it has been very very dry 6 months...
OAH and Ras,
See you're active! Man, I regret like hell for not joining you, Ras and Rtpman last Nov in SZ. Hell with local GF. Next time, she can leave me as I need to go out with the boys to PARTY.
Moody,
Hey when's your next trip to SZ area? Still with your old GF with your name tatooed? :)
Ras,
It was funny running into you the hotel in Kowloon last Nov. Hope we get to party again in KTV...
See ya boys soon!
FrankJohnson:
BBFS - A little risky, especially with all the STD going around Shenzhen. I read someone caught something a while back in Shenzhen.
Soulman,
Great to hear from you! I'm glad you got another job. PM me about when you'll be in Shenzhen and if I'm there, we'll pull out all the stops. Maybe we'll head out over to Humen for a night of revelry. Humen is good. GF is still around, and the name's still there. I guess it was the permanent kind of tattoo... ;)
Moody,
Oh yeah, Humen sounds good to me. I'll end up near Humen (Changan or Houjie) sometime in late June.
Cool, your GF sure is a cutie! I lost track with my KTV GF. She's around and kept me hostage in my hotel room last Nov so couldn't go out with the boys. At this point I'm looking for better and (cheaper) GF. Sure $400/week was reasonable but I'm more inclined towards the variety. OAH was nice enough to take me out to Jusco and WM areas twice last summer. Had awesome experiences for mere 200 RMB. Uh, the hot ***** from Jusco did go thru my wallet and stole $20 but it's OK as she was one young horny ****.
Will email you when I get my plans firmed up. Any plan to be in China in June?
Yeah, there are STDs in SZ area...
Caught chlymedia from KTV friend while back. I diagnosed myself based on the symtoms and had my out of state doctor friend call in the antibiotics.
But it's kind a hard to go from oral to variety of position to finish off in 69 only to fuck more. That's how I got gonorrhea in Korea and passed it to a girl I met in disco few days earlier. She stopped taking my calls. :( So now when I screw my KTV pals without rubber then I take a antibiotic which is supposed to protect you from anthrax (forgot the name but 1 shot cures gonorrhea). Just be careful with buying antibiotics in China.
Soulman & FrankJohnson,
Most of these farm girl, don't know a lot about STD. There is NOTHING you can take, pills wise that can stop Genital Herpers, hepatitis and AIDS.
On the Guangzhou Board, there was a posting by Cronin. He had a picture of a girl with STD. A ugly sight. Go to Special Interested - Safe Sex posted by Cronin 01-24-04 18:23. The file is called std.jpg. As I recall she said there was NOTHING wrong with her. This picture should scare you guys. Now I know why Chinese SW are scare of foreigners. Please practice safe sex.
Soulman,
There's a very good chance that I will be in Shenzhen in late June. I have some things I have to take care of around then in Shenzhen. If you go, how long do you plan to be there for? Most likely, I'll be there for about 3 weeks or so running into mid July. Been working on a couple of projects that I hope will work out by the end of the year. Do you know where you'll most likely be staying? I will most likely be in Futian, near Huanggang. If not there, I will probably be near the SEG Tower. A slim chance that I will be staying around Yantian, but I doubt it.
Guys,
The most common STD in Shenzhen is Chlamydia. The cure is relatively simple.
1000mg of Azithromycin.
500mg of Ciproflaxin.
All in one dose.
You take the same thing for the clap. You can get both at almost any pharmacy. The Azithromycin might cost about 50Y or so, but the Cipro is pretty cheap. After taking the meds, you'll still be infectious for about a week to 10 days, so either wear a rubber or take it easy. Go to one of the larger drug chains and you should be ok. You know the meds are working if it stops hurting when you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) after a couple of days.
On a side note, in the basement of JUSCO is a department store where they sell household items including furniture. They have these massage chairs on sale there for about 20,000-30,000Y. Go and try these chairs out for about half an hour, especially the 30,000Y one. These things are amazing. If I had the cash on me, I would have bought one on the spot.
A little rant if you will... Why is Haagen Dazs more expensive here than in the US? I couldn't believe a shake cost over 50Y. I bought it and enjoyed it immensely, but still...
BTW, where's the best legit massage place in Shenzhen. My back is killing me and I want a really good massage. I've tried Lido Hotel and they're pretty good, but pretty pricey for a basic massage at around 300Y. I've been to a bunch of places where it costs like 30Y, but on the whole, those places suck.
There's a product called YiRenBao that supposedly reduces the chances of STD transmission, some hotels have it in the rooms (10 rmb per packet, one labeled "Man" and one labeled "Woman"). Anyone know if this does anything useful? I guess it's for people who don't want to use a condom but want some protection. I always use a condom, but just to try, I put some on once, it gives the skin a slightly odd texture. I would guess it can help inhibit infections via skin but not infections via fluids that get inside you. This product has a website (www.yirenbao.net). I went to a pharmacy and they only had other brands, another brand has a website (www.hoholan.com). The pharmacy also has an STD-inhibiting product that is some kind of Chinese medicine you take orally, an orange ball a little smaller than a ping pong ball. I have no idea what it really does, there was no English on the package.
A friend of mine who studied Chinese medicine recommends washing the genital area with JieErYin, which is normally for women, but now I use it too. A BBS girl told me it can get addictive, but I don't see how. I don't think a few times a week can be a problem.
If anyone has any real information about what any of the above-mentioned products actually do, please share.
Moody,
If your back is killing you, you might want a certain type of Chinese massage. 'Cai bei' is where the massage girl stands on you and uses railings mounted on the ceiling to steady herself. 'Gui bei' is where the gal kneels on or sits on your back. Next time you get a massage ask if they have either of those two. They usually won't cost any extra. Its a crapshoot as far as where you get a good massage. I've had some really good legit massages in places that definitely were not legit and vice versa (emphasis on the vice?). One thing I usually prefer is that the massage gal go slower with the kneading. 'Man yi dian' means slower.
I believe Haagen Dazs imports everything from the US--hence the expense. Also shakes really are quite expensive in the US now. For some good gelato at about 8-10 rmb a scoop try a place on the new food court that is on the fourth floor of the Diwang building's mall. There is also a pizza place that makes its own gelato on East Shennan Road called "Stelle D'Italia."
Tangent,
Thanks for the info. Maybe I'll head on over to Diwang tomorrow.
Guys,
Concerning STD, I hope you guys have all been vaccinated for HepC. If you haven't, get it done now because if you get it, you go on interferon for a year. I hear interferon is something you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy.
Oh yeah, genital herpes... Got this from my latest KTV friend too 1st time we had fun. Noticed these big pimples towards top of my tool and lower tummy. They were nasty as hell and many... It hurt like hell on my return flight. Used pin to squeeze out the yellow stuff. Then my doctor friend said what I cuaght was genital herpes (?) and it can come back anytime. Now my KTV frind likes to be on top and so do I as she got hell of pussy muscle and she squeezes... I digress but she rode me for 2 days so I figured it was too much genital to genital contact. That said, I don't think wearing rubber would have protected me though...
Moody, I'll be in SZ, DG, Zhongshan and Zuhai area for about 10 days in late June. At least 1 weekend in Crowne Plaza close to Futian. I'll send you email when the plans get firmed up.
Yeah, that's it. Cipro for 1 shot cure of gonorrhea. Are you sure you can trust the potency of Cipro in China? Beleive it or not, a company I worked for gace us Cipro on medical travel kit to fight the stomach flu...
As for massage, there is a barbershop behind Holiday Inn (across from dept store) with awesome 1 hr massage (LEGIT) lying on cot (room filled with cots) for only 25 RMB. I used to go there every other day. Girls are ugly but who cares?
Moody has good point on hepatitis. I got the shots 12 years ago when I started working at a botech company in San Diego. It was series of 3 shots and 2nd shot gave me a bad flu like symptom (common occurence). The company went under but we processed, get this, circumsized foreskin. Basically expand the foreskin in the lab as these are "great lively" cells for skin ulcers and burn patients.
I always ask the girl what province she came from. No Hubei, Henan, Yunnan girls for me as there are AIDS spreading in the inner provinces due to unhygenic blood collection from few years ago.
Speaking of STDs, does anyone know if higher-end saunas do any sort of regular testing on their girls? I would figure this would be natural given that if one person caught something from a sauna and word got around, it would kill business. If anyone knew anything that would be helpful. I really need to quit this habit.
I went again to my 'normal' place in Er Gung Ling for a quick shag. This time my Yunnan star was not their and there where less then 10 girls in the place.
The 2 recommended for best service did not really appeal to me at all. Getting the pack for 300 was also out of the question.
Rather then doing the right thing and just leaving I went for a tall and slim 19 year old cantonese one. Good figure, very light pussy her.
Was sort of a stiff one. Only during intercourse the started to warm up a little bit and started talking (where you from, what you work und stuff like that). Only interesting point was that she makes about RMB7000/month und does not like the job.
Another RMB 150 wasted.
ManonsanBoy
05-21-04, 14:55
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There are no such checks. If you want to monger, wear a condom and have a look before you shag. The girls circulate because they do not want to stay in one place too long. High end saunas are no different. Most Chinese businesses have a vision approximately 7-14 days.
One never stops learning.
I now had a look at Fuxing Lu Wal-Mart. It's quite close to Shennan Zhong Lu and can be walked to from the Electronic City in about 20 Minutes or so.
The Wal-Mart itself is an older one and not that spectacular, but does the job for some shopping. But I guess you don't wanna hear that. On my way to the Wal-Mart (WM) I have seen a few BBS east of WM. Some are RMB35 masage places. Some are straight sex places.
Anyway, when you leave WM, turn 2 times right, the 2nd time at a road (not one of the small alleys). You will enter 'Funning Lu', northbound from Fuxing Lu.
On the short strech of Funning Lu are AT LEAST 10 BBS with a total of 50-100 talents. I had a look in a few BBS just to check them out.
Finally near the end of the street a 'sales lady' succeded and offered a 'good service girl' for 50+150 (50 up front). The girl looked really cute (19y). The place of action was then out the back door and into an appartment.
The appartment was OK (at best). The bed had these wooden Bamboo cover. The girls (from Hunan) had a very nice shape. Slim, small tits (I'm not into big tits), very light pussy hair. Seem to enjoy the finger play (or was a good actor), was into french kissing too. Also very good BBJ for some time. The sex session lasted quite long and I did ran a bit out of steam. She had to do some hand action inbetween and get the baby oil to get 'em up again.
I was astonished! She took of the condom, did an oily handjob to get me hard - and ask me to get in bare. Sorry, could not do that. Got a new condom and finished the job.
150 for her + 20 extra tips for the overtime.
Ask for her phone number, but she claimed to have none.
I will be back!
Hooked up with OAH and raz. One of the first shop passed was the famous #21 shop. And none other than #21 was there and came out to chat with us. We played a bit coy with her and went about a bit of a review of the area talent. #21 (li zhui yong) being the bright girl she is, cut across the alley to catch us as we criss-crossed the area. I normally dont like to go with one I passed on, but given her friendly nature, I decided to go. Same girl, same good service. If you like oral, she is about as good as they get. The nice thing about her is 1) friendly 2) nice real massage after sex. She is not a stunner, and she has put on a few lbs when she was back in Sichuan (although she was a bit too thin before).
I explained the time where OAH told her in English "you are quite famous" to which she retorted "Wo zhi dao", when I told her what it was ment and she laughed quite hard. It was funny.
Looking forward to raz and the OAH reports.
PS. I have #21's phone number if wanted and I can post.
Daynight,
I know what you mean about the girl who took your condom off. It's pretty infrequent that I have been asked to use a condom. I've actually had girls who asked that I not use a condom from the get go. I asked around about that and it seems that some of the girls just basically want to get it over with and they think a condom will make you last longer. They just want you to shoot your load and leave.
TZ,
Sounds like you regular boys (OAH and Raz) had good time!
Now you got my curiosity goin strong for Miss #21! I will be in SZ/DG area in June so would like to definitely give her a visit. I can't wait to "try" her. Please email her mobile number to my email: cabaretvoltaireusa@hotmail.com
DayNight,
Gee, I think we might be "brother" meaning did same girl... I was out depressed 1 night after arguing and leaving my GF. OAH being a gentlemen met me in Walmart area in pouring rain to help me find a date. I forgot the girl's name but she gave good BJ and similar description as yours but she also had the damn bamboo bed cover which I didn't care for. My knees hurt when I doing her doggy style. :) She was good enough that I got her mobile #. Forgot her name though. :(
Gents,
What's the deal with Chinese girls and BJ? It seems like many won't even consider yet few really get into (more exception I find). I even ask if they "smoke" and they say yes only to not do it. Sure, barbershop and massage girls don't seem to mind provided wearing the rubber but most KTV girls (even my GF) won't do it. Is this based on where they are from (province)?
Hi there:
I'm new to this thread and have a question for all you pros. I will be living in Guandong province in Sept in my own apartment. I'm into the P4P scene and was wondering about the KTV and BBS girls. Can you go out with them privately and will they freelance once you have seen them a couple of times and they get to know you?. I'm asking this because I don't want to pay a KTV and mamasan fee every time I see a girl. I want to be able to see her on her day off or after work. I want to be able to call her cell, meet and have some fun (dinner....sex).
I am a handsome, young Canadian guy who might be looking for a relationship with one of these girls. I'm sure they would like my passport.
Any and all advice would be appreciated
Thanks,
Trisomie
Soulman
Mine had an unusual bi-color lipstick. I would try her again. For the similar place, they do look all the same to me. I'm even not sure if I can remember the place I went too.
For BJs, I never ask for it and only rarely got them. I would say less then 10% offer that service.
moody
This brook my heart! I thought it was love!
BTW, do we talk about the same area? Funning Lu. And funny, in Funning Lu, across at the corner Fuxing Lu is also a police station.
Another question: Do all those massage places with a booth outside, manned by nice dressed lady, and quote 30-60/hr offer only legit massages?
I had a look at 3 places and they don't really have private rooms.
Ah the uniqueness of oral. In fact a lot of chinese women dont like anything oral, kissing included. The few oral specialists in the shops are in my opinion into this fettish. How else can you explain moaning while inserting a tongue into an anus when the deal money wise is long ago fixed? In any large group, (and the population of China is a VERY LARGE group), you will find a few cases of girls who grove on some kinky things and here they can by the way get paid for it. Funny that they seem so normal in other respects. #21 is into sucking toes. She spends more time on my toes than my nail fungus. I have given her no indication that I am into having my toes consumed, so I think she is just into it. Funny.
Guys,
I think Tangzhen is right for the most part. In China, BJ is not considered mainstream like it is in the west or other eastern countries like Korea. That coupled with the fact that most Chinese men don't really go for it, makes it less common. Whereas BJ is not really considered kinky anymore in the US and Europe, it's still considered borderline deviant behavior in China. A lot of times, you'll get the "e xin" comment, especially if you try to get oral after having inserted your member into her wet places.
Another thing is anal. I've only managed to talk one girl into it and that was over 5 years ago in Shanghai. Because the girl was so willing, I thought it was commonplace. Boy was I wrong. In retrospect, I now realize that the girl was probably really kinky for a Chinese girl.
Daynight,
The massage places that quote 30-50Y for hour of massage are legit places. The thing is though, there are degrees of legitimacy. Most massage girls will give you a HJ for 50-100Y. A lot of times, they'll even ask you. Some girls will offer more. It depends on the girl though, if you go back to the same place and get a different girl, she might not go for it.
Trisomie,
I am sure its not a problem seeing a KTV or BBS girl outside of their work. You said that they would like your passport and also you would like to have a relationship with one of them. My question to you is do you plan on marrying one of these girls?
You can have a normal, educated girlfriend in China.,..why do you want someone that is anything less than that? Just my 2 cents.
LA
Trisomie,
Why would these girls like your passport? Is it really nice with funky colors on it and stamps from all over the world? Or are you implying that they would want to marry you from the fact that you are Canadian? If you're thinking the second, you should know very very few Chinese, especially KTV girls, want to leave China.
A typical KTV girl at a upper class KTV makes over 10,000Y a month. KTV girls who perform extra services typically make almost 20,000Y a month. This kind of money goes a long way in China. I know of one girl, a KTV superstar, who recently purchased an apartment at Shing He Guo Ji in Futian. An apartment there costs over 1.5 million. She spent another 300,000Y to fix it up. She's hoping to sell it after a few years for 2.5 million.
Please don't think these girls are poor and begging to leave China because that's just not the case. A lot of them make serious money. Odds are, the typical KTV girl will have a better cell phone than any of us. Furthermore, a lot of pretty ones will already have HK or Taiwanese boyfriends.
Aside from all this, if you ask a KTV girl for her phone number, she will give it to you. I've never had a situation where they wouldn't give it to me and my Mandarin is pitiful thing indeed. I've taken girls out for everything from dinner, day on the beach, Windows of the World, shopping, etc., etc. KTV girls are a lot of fun. They wouldn't be KTV girls if they weren't.
Moody,
You are correct, some of them make serious money and don't want to leave China. You are also corrected with most of them have boyfriends. I also found a few were even married. It's weird, some telling me about their boyfriend later after sex. I guess they feel guilty about cheating on them, warning, or scaring me off.
Trisomie,
They are NOT concerned about a relationship. Most of them are too young to be thinking about their future like getting married. They are more concerned about making fast money and sending it back home.
There are exceptions for a relationship: These are usually the older and less pretty in the business and the NON-working girls. NON-working girls like restaurant and factory workers. I suggust you go over to WSG Forum "Asia - China Woman - Opinion and Advice" section for more information and questions. In this section I read from several people about their opinions and situations on releationships with a working girl. Most don't care about your foreign passport but only your money. Yes, they will come with you after work but only for money. If you don't give them money they will leave sooner or later. They come from poor country side families. and are the main bread supporter. After seeing the big world they become materialistic like girls from Hong Kong and Shanghai. I read and was told DON'T TRUST them yet DO NOT treat them like cheap *****s. Don't lie, trick or cheat them. IMO what I gather, A BAD ideal for a long term relationship.
Weelock
Bob Builder
05-27-04, 02:42
Just out of interest, what is the price of a free fuck in Canada at the moment?
Let's be honest here. You don't just not want to pay the KTV or the mamasan but avoid paying at all.
I know lots of guys who brag about getting freebies. Are you that charming and good-looking? I think you will find girls working at KTVs a lot harder and shrewder that you are. Also spending money buying things such as mobiles phones and plane tickets is also considered money. It just gives you the feel good factor or not handing over hard cash.
I have a relationship with one. I pay her money and she sucks my dick. Her boyfriend pays the rent and I pay for the groceries.
Trisomie,
I echo S Weelock and my pal Moody.
Forgive me first being sharing harsh words but it's really uncool to flash your passport to get laid. You're misleading. Many of on this board are into paying for the service. Sure it costs money like 800RMB for a short session with KTV beauty and so on but it's all "business". I for 1 is totally against using "marriage" inferred passport and look harshly at those who reosrt to this. I met a nice sweet girl named Jenny in Shekou back in 2000. Poor girls was misled by some jerk who work for IBM in San Jose. She really though this lowlife was going to marry her now and take her to "Meiguo" very soon. As a monger rule is to pay for pleasure and not lie.
As for money, I found that most girls work in the "industry" for money and not their pleasure. They all have sorry story to tell. Young Chinese want to do 1 thing even if it's illegal. My KTV friend claimed to make 12k RMB a month because she is hot and very good in bed. We fell in love as we spent more time together and she didn't work when I was in SZ area. We did what young couples do. Sure she is working girl but I respected her and she appreciated that. She knew I was married with kids and even bough my kids gifts. She said I help her escape from nightly drinking and groping and screwing ugly old fat men.
Uh, did I mention that I paid her USD400/week? Also gave her a brand new laptop so we can exchange email (was a mistake... had no clue and she used it to watch VCD on the laptop. poor girld was afraid to use the pc).
So show some care and respect but don't fuckin lie like real asshole.
Trisomie
I dont wish to too much prolong the thread, but while I am less against what you wrote, I also think you are going down the wrong path. You are mixing things that are typically unwise to mix (love, sex, KTV, relationship, passports). Naughty boy. If you are not clear or direct with what you are going to add to the mix with the girl, you may have a lot of trouble on your hands. Remember you will be a guest here, unless you are fluent in Chinese, very experienced in the culture and ways, you will be open to all kinds of attacks that you would richly deserve by trying to be too clever. Dont get me wrong, I dont think you are bad, just ignorant. You dont know what you are doing and likely the first time you get a girl of that level of looks under you, your logical brain would only be focused on how to get more. Wrong move.
My advise (and I am never wrong) is to chill your jets, open your eyes, keep your mouth relatively shut, learn Chinese (sorry if you are already fluent), and find out how things work here. Go to a KTV, pay, play post and follow the copious advise given on the subject already. Once you are experienced enough, write again
Trisomie: quote on 05-23-04
<i>I'm a young, handsome, Canadian guy and could make them bullshit promises about relationships, marriage, etc in order for them to be interested in hooking up with me. </i>
I just found this on the Dongguan section:
Trisomie,
If you are really thinking about getting a long term relationship and even getting married with working professional, more power to you. You might both fall in love and get married. My advice again to you is: don't lie, cheat or trick them and "NO BULLSHIT promises". Most of all don't trust these working girls. If you are really a young and handsome guy, you should have NO problem scroring freebies in Canadian and in China. You don't have to worry about paying extra fees.
Weelock
Another silly question:
Does SZ has Tokyo style 'Fashion Hotels' which can be rented by the hour?
Daynight,
Yes they do. As a matter of fact, a lot them offer it, but don't announce it. It's kind of not worth it though. I remember seeing one hotel advertise something like 200RMB for 3 hours. Since a 4 star hotel typically costs less than 400RMB for a day, it's really expensive. If you ask me, if you just want a quickie, it's better to go to a sauna or a barbershop.
Guys,
Do you guys know where Entertainment City is? Its right across the street from the Prince Restaurant. Anyway, right near there, there's a park. I was talking to my driver, who is actually a pretty cool guy, and he was telling me that there are a lot of girls who work the park at night. He says that if you walk throught the park, you'll see a lot of girls waiting around the trees. According to him, these are all working girls. I asked him how much it is, and he says it's around 60RMB. He says the girls usually ask for 100RMB, but will settle for 50-70RMB. The thing is though, you have to do it in the park in a secluded corner or something. I haven't tried it myself and to be perfectly honest, I'm not sure if I'm up for it. If any of you guys want to try it out, now you know.
One other thing. I was recently at a KTV in Humen. The hotel is called the Springwood Harbor Hotel. It's a pretty nice hotel, typical 4 star affair. It's not as nice as the Lungchuen International, but it's a nice alternative if you want to try something new. Anyway, the KTV is set up pretty nice. They have Macallan Whiskey if you guys like that. When I was last there, about 3-4 weeks ago, they had an average selection of girls. The mommy there assured me though, that they are constantly getting new girls. One thing I didn't like was that the girls didn't have uniforms, but I know that's not everyone's cup of tea. I had my GF with me that night so I couldn't really ask how much it was for takeout, but I presume it can't be any more than Lungchuen which is 1000RMB for overnight. One other thing, they have a very good Chinese restaurant. The seafood is excellent and the giant clam sashimi is very well prepared.
Hi Moody,
Lungchuen is a nice looking hotel. Stopped by on a HK airport bus from Jiahua hotel in Houjie few km north.
What's the deal with the KTV prices? I went to Sheraton KTV in Houjie when they opened and they asked for 1,500 RMB for overnight! Double the typical 800. I think my host helped me out with the difference. :) But the selection of the girls were not worth double. In fact most of the girls came from Jiahua KTV... My Taiwanese hosts say they only pay 600 RMB.
Anyway, did any of you guys check out the factory girls? I mean the cute ones. My Taiwanese friend tells me that they jut hang out on the downtown areas like in Houjie and only want 100 RMB. There are also freelancers in downtown Houjie for 300 RMB. Lot of these girls look real nasty (in sexy ways).
Back to facotory girls, they do "moonlight". Came across one in of all the place in Shekou couple of years ago as I was looking for street girls between McDonalds and the bar alley. She was a "fresh" one alright with nice fair skin (looked like a Japanese girl). But what a bore she was in bed. Wouldn't even take her top off all the way and just missionary. Tried to go down on her little hairy hole bt it was real struggle. She wouldn't even let me do her doggy style. I had it so I told her I ain't gonna pay then she let me do ger from behind. Well, it was exciting doing non pro...
FrankJohnson
05-29-04, 05:05
Soulman,
Can you elaborate on how you picked up the non-pro? I see a lot of cute ones wandering around, but I'm unsure how to approach them.
How did you know she would be open to an offer? What did you say? Where was she when you found her?
Any help would be appreciated.
Frank
moody
Where is then this 'Prince Restaurant' ? Is there no nearby cheap hotel? Hope you'll be back with more details....
Daynight,
Prince Restaurant is pretty famous in Shenzhen. If you tell a cab driver "Wangze fandian" they should know what you mean. This is NOT the Prince Kitchen at JUSCO. I had a lighter from there with their address, but I seemed to have lost it. I'll ask someone for the address.
Soulman,
1500RMB is VERY expensive for Dongguan. I guess the Sheraton is marketing itself as a place for foreigners and trying to charge higher prices. Hell, 1500RMB is what you pay in a decent place in Shenzhen.
As for factory girls, I've never had one, but I hear a lot of them hook on the side. The thing is though, all the pretty ones eventually end up at KTV. I think half the girls in KTV worked at a factory one time or another. Eventually, the pretty ones get recruited to either KTV or hotel reception.
FJ,
How is your Mandarin? Mine is terrible. :( I know simple phrases like "go to my hotel room". I flash my hotel key card or the little pocket sized hotel card and mention price like 200 RMB. They often respond back with ridicuous amount like 800 RMB but when you try to walk away then they either agree to the prce or want to negotiate.
By the way, some of these girls are not "working girls" but dress like one (slutty). :) They tend hang around in pairs or ones just standing and giving this "look" to passerby.
I accidentally ran into the factory girl in Shekou. It's the main drag which parallel the big street to ferry terminal where McDonald is located and park with statue nearby. They have the routine clampdown but the girls just hang out in front of buildings or street. I walk the strip up and down couple of times and try to make eye contact. You'll see who is real and who is not. I had some good and bad ones in this area since 2000. This 1 pro I picked up was one sex starved ****. She gave one of the best BJ and acted like a girl from one of these porno flicks as she was too damn horny literally ripping off my clothese soon as I closed the room door. No shower but straight to BJ, sex, 69 you name it little rest only for another round. She was definitely worth 600 RMB and rare find indeed. I found another sex crazed one named Yang Ping and I call her everytime I'm in SZ. She is older and not so cute but total GF action and does not act like a pro but a shy girl. Trouble is she kind a fell in love with me and refused to take money. She is always ready and wakes me up by putting my finger in her wet hole while stoking my morning stiffness... Her BJ skills are very good and it's non stop. I have to tell her to knock it off and what a joy it is to just walk into my room for me to pint at my tool and she gets on her knee. She even gives me BJ when I'm using my laptop and even when I was on con call with my boss! Her aim is to please me. Nice...
So I have combination of KTV, local pro girlfriends and much cheaper Wlamart/Jusco action. Isn't SZ area the best place to get laid?
I know how to say most things I need to say in Mandarin. If I have a problem, I ask my GF who knows a lot more English than she lets on. I no longer speak English with other people in front of her. I'm sure she understands almost everything that is being said. Anyway, here are a couple common phrases to help you guys out.
Where are we going?
Women chui nali.
Let's go to my hotel room.
Women chui jodian.
I want a blowjob.
Wo xiang ni chin xiaodidi
You have a nice figure
Ni Shencai zhen hao
What is your name?
Ni Jiao shenma?
Where are you from?
Ni shi nali ren?
Your pussy is dry.
Xiaomeimei shi gan
Your pussy is wet.
Xiaomeimei shi shuide
I want to feel your breasts.
Wo xiang chi tofu. (I want to eat tofu)
Anal?
Gangmen?
I want to fuck your ass
Wo xiang cho nide gangmen.
How much?
Duo chien?
One hour?
Yige xiaoshi
Two hour?
Liangge xiaoshi.
I like big breasts.
Wo xi huan da buo.
Big tittie woman
Dabuomei. (considered a rude compliment)
Miss
Xiaomei
You have a nice ass.
Nide pigu shi zhenhao.
Let say you want to say, "Miss, I want you to suck my dick for half an hour and then I want to fuck your wet pussy."
You would say, "Xiaomei, Wo xiang ni chin xiaodidi bange xiaoshi, Ju ho, Wo xiang cho nide shuide xiaomeimei."
Give it a try guys and have fun. If anyone out there thinks any of these are wrong, and they might be, feel free to correct me.
In case you guys don't know the numbers too well, here's a little primer.
100 = Yibai
150 = Yibai Wu
200 = LiangBai
250 = Liangbai Wu (also an insult meaning idiot so don't quote this figure)
300 = Sanbai
800 = Babai
900 = Jiu Bai
1000 = Yi chien
If you're talking about money, you usually end it by saying "quai" as in "yibai quai."
Also, if you say "Yibai wu," that means 150, not 105. To say 105, you say "Yibai ling wu." The same principle in the thousands. "Yichien wu" means 1500, not 1050 or 1005. 1050 is "Yichien ling wu." 1005 is "Yi chien ling ling wu."
If you're ordering drinks, here are a couple of phrases.
Beer = Pijiu
Red wine = Hongjiu
Nasty Chinese White Rice wine = Baijiu
Whiskey = Yangjiu
ManonsanBoy
05-30-04, 13:57
Moody
Some of your translations take ................liberties with either language
You should probably translate literally first
Back in HK from Vietnam
total now 40.......................Vietnam was forgettable
Silly Puppy
05-31-04, 07:44
Went to Shenzhen two weks ago and stayed in Shangri-la hotel. At midnight, I decided to try the street so walked out of the hotel and strolled along the street. There I met an ugly Chinese guy who seemed to understand my needs so he came to me and asked if I needed any girls. I said sure. He took me to an alley nearby and asked me to wait outside of an apartment. After couple minutes from the apartment came down 4 girls, average looking only. I picked the tallest girl and ask the pimp how much. He said 800! I laughed and told him (with my signs) 400 was all I could afford. He said ok. :)
I took the girl to my hotel and fucked the hell out of her for an hour or so. The girl was young and horny and she came really hard couple times. Her juice was flowing like river and wet my bed. I was kind of worry when she sat on me and did the massage routine. The bad thing was that she farted when I did it doggy so I ended up fucking her commisionary style. She grunted loudly when I was banging her harder and harder. I guess she did not have this kind of rough fuck before. I gave her 40 yuan tip and took her downstairs because she told me (signs only) if I didn't come with her the hotel security would harass her. She tried to kiss me on the mouth and gave me her phone number but I later threw it in the garbage. Next morning I was going to Huizhou where I met a much hotter and more beautiful girl.
Here is my contribution to Mandarin. Well, it may not work for many of you guys since it's not in pinyin and it's 4 tones but gives you "head" start.
Enjoy!
kan shan qu hen xing gan - you look very sexy
qing tor yifu - please take off your clothes
wo lai tor ni de ne yi ba - let me take off your underwear
wo meyo kan jien guo ni - I have never seen you
bu yao pa - do not be afraid
women zai y chi hen gao xing - we had a good time
zai y chee - together
xiao de jing xun de yifu - small tight clothes
ke yi pian yi yi dian ma - can you make it a little cheaper ?
ni shi di yi ze lai ma - is this your first time here
wo jing qang lai - I come here often
wo bu qang lai - I seldom come here
wo cong may lai guo - I have never been here before
wo shi di yi ze lai - this is my first time here
wo hen xi hwan zhe li - I like it here
zhe li de qee fen hen hao - the atmosphere is good
zhe li de hwan jing ye bu cuo - the decor is also not bad
wo hen xi hwan zhe li de inyue - I very like the music here
jian dou ni hen gao xing - pleased to meet you
hen chang de tue - long legs
quing zi - skirt
nu xing hwa - ladylike (fine looking)
hen yo nu ren - ladylike (fine looking)
women qu tiao wu ba- shall we dance
women hui ja ba - shall we go home
zuo gwo qu wu feng zhong - five minutes by walking
hen xu for - very comfortable
may ge zhuo mo - every weekend
zui jin zoma yang - how are you these days
ni kan shan qu zai xia tien - you look very summery
[Damn, I spent an hour typing in a detailed report, then when ready to submit, I touched the danged Microsoft mouse with the extra button on the left side, which took me "Back" to a page saying "Thanks for logging in" and then a blank report page, no way to go "Forward". So here we go again.]
Regarding question on Entertainment City: Chinese name is "kan tai yu le guang chang", located at the corner of Hongling and Sungang. There's a small park across the street on Hongling, maybe it's the one that was mentioned. Don't know about SWs, but the idea of action in the park sounds interesting. There's also a ratty hotel half a block south of the park, enter via a driveway just north of UBC Coffee, should be no more than 120/night. Another place near there, go to Hongli and Shangbu, go north to the next traffic light, and turn right, kind of a sleepy residential area, a few more SWs there. Customers mostly arrive in cars. Met a girl there who wasn't a real pro, her friend told her to try it, but she wasn't into it, so we just had coffee. She said a lot of girls there spend the money on dope.
Also, there are lots of SWs hanging around the bars in Shekou at the south end of Taizi Lu. I think the girls in the girl bars are just there to get you to buy drinks, but the ones outside are SWs, ready to roll.
Regarding question on hotel rooms by-the-hour: I've seen them both in SZ and Chengdu, they post the price as "O'clock room". If you don't see "O'clock room" (or Chinese equivalent, if you can remember the characters), then just ask. Try the lower-end hotels, it should be easy to find something.
BBS update: I do think BBSs offer the best value (and thanks to OAH for the Walmart area tour). 150 a pop is usually agreeable, although sometimes they seem to expect 200, so maybe you can negotiate 150 and give 200 if service is particularly good. I usually don't get BJ, but one girl gave a CBJ because she wanted to, and later asked for 200 because of the BJ. I didn't give it because I didn't ask for the BJ, maybe I'm a cheapskate. But I do give 200 if they go to my hotel (for the taxi money and extra time), and usually 400 for overnight (but I've also done 300). My favorite BBS is just east of the Jusco area. Exit the Jusco dept store and turn left (east). Go to the end of the road and cross, and enter a large alley by the China Post kiosk. At the end, where the large alley continues on the left (north), turn right (south) into the small alley, then turn left (east) at the next alley and look for a BBS on the left. I like the girls there because they're friendly and relaxed. Also, the laoban speaks some English. However, their apartment sucks, one time there was no tissue paper, no clean towels, and no soap. I prefer to take one to my hotel or call them up for delivery service. If you go, tell them Night Cat (ye maozi) sent you.
There's also another BBS area further east. Find the Oriental Regent Hotel, go east to the end of the road, and check the alleys all around that area. Also, I found one BBS alley in Nanshan. (Maybe I should change my name to "alley cat"?)
Freebie update: After complaining about not finding freebies, I found one on a bus. She's 30 and a bit chubby, not half bad looking. She stared at me for a bit and smiled, so I chatted with her, asking where the shopping district is. We got off the bus together and walked to the city center, and I invited her to eat at a Western cafe, which just happened to be right next to my hotel (how convenient!). Later, she said it was late and would have to take a taxi, so I gave her 50 rmb (tried to give her 100 but she didn't need it). Also, one night I picked up a girl in a bar and went to her home. Turns out she's a KTV girl, it was her night off, and she had just broken up with her long-term sponsor, so to speak. She said she doesn't sleep with other customers. It wasn't really a freebie, she talked me into giving her some money, so I gave her 500.
Anyone know any bars that are good for picking up freebies? I prefer places with a mid-20's to 30's crowd, white-collar, and no mind-numbingly loud music. I know a few bars (Chicago, U-bar, V-bar) but haven't had any pick-up luck. I chatted with some gals at Chicago bar, and their friend got picked up by a Chinese guy. The gals I chatted with seemed to be trying to hide that situation from me, it's funny how much effort the Chinese put into giving the appearance that China is very conservative. After I found out the situation with the friend, I made a point of commenting on how "kaifang" China is, it was funny. Anyway, if anyone has any good ideas for clubbing, let me know.
Had a few friends from the States drop by China, so I met up with them in Shenzhen. They wanted to slum it the first night, and since I'm not familiar with anything but a few nice KTVs in SZ, I decided to refer to WSG, and took them to Sha Zui.
Now I know, there was plenty of warning from you guys about how shady the place is, but since the three of us are Asian and I speak pretty decent Chinese, I figured the risk was well worth the reward. We arrived at 1 am and proceeded to be overwhelmed by the amount of girls sitting around, walking around, and just generally looking good all around.
Pretty soon, we were approached by a mamasan who whispered something unintelligible, and then beckoned for us to follow her. It was scary but exciting for us newbies, and we ended up following her up to the fourth floor of some local apartment. There, she told us to wait, and within minutes she had brought up a lineup of about 7 girls.
Previous posters are correct in that most of the girls are in the 5-6 range, but every now and then you'll find a 7 or 8 in the bunch. One friend and I were particularly picky, so we sat and waited for a few lineups before I settled on a Sichuan girl and he stayed with the girl the mamasan had told me she saved for "special customers." Yeah right, but she did mention that she had great BJ skills, so my friend was cool with that.
I went upstairs to a second apartment, where my girl and I took a shower in the less than immaculate bathroom, then had a quick BBBJ and FS session. I think that if she hadn't acted so young and shy I might not have been so disturbed that I was doing what I was doing with such a young girl. I ended up wanting to get the hell out of there as quickly as possible. I'm assuming the guilt thing is a normal reaction for rookies like us.
Mamasan had quoted 150 RMB, but my girl asked for some more so I gave her a total of 200 and got out of there. If I ever do go back, I'll be sure to try to find someone older than 20. Overall experience was fun because it was so different and because there are so many girls. I asked one of them if they were all affiliated with the mama, but it appears that most everyone on the street is a freelancer, and they can go with whichever mamasan drags them up to an apartment. Out of the standard 150 rate, 100 goes to the mamasan and the girl pockets the rest, so 200 is pretty even for the girls.
Anyway, it's true that most everyone there is from Hong Kong and foreigners would stick out like a sore thumb. I got the mamasan's card so if you want to give it another shot at Sha Zui but don't want to walk around and be too exposed, you may be able to call her beforehand (though she doesn't speak English) and arrange something faster and more discreet. Who knows? PM me if you want it. Shy Boy out.
Red China Boy
06-02-04, 13:07
James,
I'd be interested in reading some info about Huizhou. Why don't you post on the South China all areas board.
Many thanks to all members for their inf. I've moved to South China recently and had some fun near Jusco.
RasSpewtin
06-02-04, 16:54
Soulman:
I am in SZ now. Are you still here? I am looking to hook up with a couple of guys and have a night of fun at a KTV this weekend. Hoping that we can find something like a 3-5-8 within an hour's drive of Hua Qiao Chang.
Raz
Bob Builder
06-03-04, 00:00
Shy Boy.
It's the other way around, the girl gets $100 and the mama gets $50.
The girl told you otherwise to scam you out of more money. You must have looked like a newbie.
You will have trouble finding many girls over 20 there as the preference is for younger girls there.
Raz,
You're back already? That's great!
I'm in Meiguo. Plan to be in SZ/DG/Zhuhai area in late June or mid July. But likely mid July as I got stuck on a new assignment at work this week. Staying at CP again? Any update on the BAR disco scene? Still girls hanging around the door toward the pool?
Man, I miss SZ so so much...
Have fun!
To Shy Boy,
Sha Zui is this the same area called Sha Tsui? The rate for in house was $150-200. What't the rate for take out. Might PM you later for the mamasan's phone number in a month.
Fran123
Super6stud9
06-03-04, 08:26
Hong Kong to Shenzhen
Brothers, I am planning to visit Shenzhen for 2 to 3 days.
Any tips about visa, and hotels to stay in the city.
Best way to get there from HK.
Thank you.
I'm just back from Ping Hu (I post here coz it's still 0755 phone area code). Minibus K533 goes there for RMB15 in about 30 Minutes.
Had stroll after the company visit. BBS prices was quoted as 130 in a place full of beauties! The beauties had an argument 2 seconds later that 150 should be correct - too late!
But I had called my Yunnan sweetheart in Er Gung Ling for a session and she was waiting for me.
Sex was again extraordinary, with great BBJ skills and a screaming orgasm (or well faked, do I care? no!). Rate their is 150 - but I gave a well deserved 200
Unfortunately she's leaving one of these days. I need to look for some business in Kunming now.
super6stud9
Just buy you visa in Hong Kong and take the KCR (that is a train) to Lowu. You won't need a tour guide or GPS guidance to get there. There are also plenty of busses from upper Portland St. to Huang Gang for only HK$25 or so (NOTE: you can NOT buy a visa at Huang Gang!!!)
super6stud9,
Daynight's way is the best. Alternatively, you can take a cab to Sheung Shui station, and catch the KCR from there. You can also head to Huanggang, but that usually takes longer.
Previously, you could get a visa at the Lowu border, but I heard from someone that it's closed. You can get a visa from any travel agent. I believe it's gone up in price since April.
As for hotels, there are a gazillion hotels in Shenzhen. I prefer not to stay near Luohu because it tends to be too busy, but that's your choice.
This may seem harsh but the Chinese that some guys are posting on here is really horrible and I doubt that you actually studied it at a university. I don't think that you are doing anybody any favors by posting Chinese that is not very good or is sometimes just plain wrong.
OldAsiaHand
06-04-04, 02:40
super6stud9,
If you already have a visa and are coming directly from the airport, the boats to Shenzhen are convenient. No need to pass through HK immigration and customs. Or, the mainland buses to HuangGang border crossing are a value at 100HK$.
From downtown, I reckon the MTR/KCR trains to Lowu are the best bet.
OAH
moody
Taking a taxi to Sheung Shui is not really economical since the fare from there to Lowu (only 1 stop, 3 Minutes) is still HK$20.00 . The fare from Hung Hom is HK$ 36.00 (or so).
You can still the 5 days SZ Visa at the Lowu border. Takes 5 Minutes, no photo required. You are not allowed to leave SZ (theoretically) and have to exit also from a SEZ border point.
It costs for most passports now HK$150 - if you hold an 'unfriendly' passport (USA, some Central Asia a,d Africa places) and can be quite a bit higher.
BTW, Brits pay also HK$150, the penalty was removed some time last year.
OldAsiaHand
06-04-04, 02:59
Fellow Mongers,
I know I have been pretty lax in posting lately. Nothing really exciting has been going on with my SZ adventures. Managed to hook-up with Nightcat, Raz, Tangzhen and some other local mongering buddies lately. It is always fun to swap war stories.
Except for one SW I found off Caitian Rd, I've been in a rut of just mediocre service from BBS girls in the Jusco and WalMart areas. The SW is actually a student. New to the game and still innocent, she is very close to a GFE. Stayed LT and only asked for 200RMB in the morning. I reckon she just did not know how much to charge. I have repeated twice and been fully satisfied every time. Unusual for me since my quest is to do as many different girls as possible.
Happy Hunting!
OAH
Member #1050
06-04-04, 03:11
Mooody, Soulman.
Thank you brothers for the translation of the punther phrases into mandarin. Those don't show up in any dictionary or online translator, but yet they are the critical phrases we want to know.
Daynight,
Taking a cab to Sheung Shui is pretty expensive. As luck would have it though, the airline I take tends to get arrive in HK at around 10:30PM. After immigration, I usually get out of the airport around 11PM. That leaves me one hour to get to the Lowu border so I take a cab. I know Huanggang is 24 hours, but it takes too long to get through.
From Kowloon, the best way would be as you suggested, either Kowloon Tong or Hung Hom. If you're going from either one of these places and you have baggage, it might be worth it for you to get a 1st class ticket. If you're willing to sacrifice the 50HKD deposit and if you spend any decent length of time in HK, get an Octopus card. You can buy stuff from vending machines with it and 7/11 takes it as payment so it's pretty convenient.
I recently had to renew my visa and I paid 1800HKD for 6 month F class. They no longer offer 12 month F visa for US passports. Last year I paid 2200HKD for 12 month F visa, talk about inflation. I'm glad to know though, they still offer the 5 day Shenzhen visa at the border. It's convenient in an emergency.
One other thing. On more than one occasion, I've either left my passport at my hotel or didn't have the proper visa to leave Shenzhen (Shenzhen 5 day visa). I have yet to have a problem getting back. Most of the time, the border guards don't even check. A couple of times they checked, but let me go anyway after I told them I left my passport at my hotel. If they're being jerks about the whole thing, you can catch a ride for 100RMB with one of those cars that the border guards don't check.
Dodgy Fellow
06-04-04, 20:02
hi all,
thanks for the feedback on my earlier post.
i've been away from this list for some time. i basically stayed the heck away from mongering in china for the last several weeks since i got busted. went to visit a friend in the philippines, and sampled a couple of the working girls there. i posted my report under the manila thread, so it should be up in a day or so.
i'm posting now to follow up on what happened that day.
* how many undercover cops were there?
two. again, i can't confirm they were actually cops, since i was too chicken to press the issue. yes, i am of oriental descent and can speak halfway decent mandarin, so i thought i'd be left alone. didn't turn out that way.
* was it a scam?
i really don't know. the more i think about it, yes it probably was a scam. for all i know, maybe this is another way for the pimps to earn a little extra income. i hope i'm wrong about that, but the whole incident really left me with a bad taste in my mouth.
* should i have been more forceful with demanding id?
they shot down that idea by saying we could "discuss" this at the precinct. as much as the local authorities are turning a blind eye to the local nightlife - unless it really hits the fan like what happened in zhuhai - mongering is still technically a crime. i'd rather not be on the business end of chinese justice. and yes, i'd have to agree with bob the builder in that those guys could have just cranked it up a notch and left me in even worse shape.
they didn't take me to a secluded spot and forced me to cough up the cash. they just confronted me on a public street - in full view of passers-by - and grilled me about it, but not loudly so as to attract a large crowd. i really cannot say what would have happened if i just decided to ignore them and moved on. i've been to the jusco bbs several times previously without incident, so i thought i could become invisible with the crowd. didn't work.
did i feel guilty about hiring a hooker? no. i am several thousand rmb poorer, and that ticks me off.
* did i dress up like a rich man?
i think this is where i got picked out of the crowd. i was wearing a casual t-shirt, shorts, and lugging a body bag. not designer clothes, but i guess you could say i looked like a hongkonger, which is what might have made me stand out in a crowd. i previously dressed in simple jeans and a t. nothing to really attract attention, considering what i was doing.
* would i go back to mongering?
i actually passed by the jusco area a short while ago. took a peek, but didn't go for it. just moved on.
again, thank you all for your time.
RasSpewtin
06-05-04, 16:57
A “Stroke” of Luck at Jusco and Futian:
Well, after all of the bitching and moaning that I have done in the forum over the past year, I must now admit that I was 3-for-3 during my last trip.
Girl #1 was from Futian, along the main street that runs perpendicular to Fuxing Lu behind Wal-Mart. I was making my third pass down the strip, when I spotted this demure and confident looking young lady with curly hair and glasses. She was the “good secretary gone bad” fantasy, personified. I walked into the shop and chatted her up for a few minutes. When she suggested that we use the rooms upstairs, I countered that I preferred larger beds. So she ran upstairs, grabbed a set of keys, and runs out the back door like a little vixen. Wondering “WTF??”, I run after her and ask where she’s going. “We’re going to make love”, she says, and I followed like a hungry puppy. She was the real thing, with DFK, tender hugs, and whispers of “Ni hen piao-liang” and “wo ai ni” in my ear. Over the top fun. I damn near blew a hole in the latex. Got her cell number, but couldn’t sync up after that. Next time.
Girl #2 was from alley 2.5 behind Jusco. On this occasion, I was accompanied by Lao Zhongguo himself, AOH. Tangzhen also joined us, but he ducked out within the first 30 seconds when he spotted #21. (Hey Tang, I gave her a mouthful the next day. No massage, though. So I guess we're not long lost brothers after all. We gotta have a beer next time and swap stories). We toured the circuit twice, and I settled on a curly haired girl with a young and cute face. She dragged me upstairs, and again it was unrushed GFE stuff with sexy moans and smiles. A million ball soldiers were launched into action that day. I did a repeat 2 days later.
Girl #3 was spotted a few days later in a phone booth behind Jusco. I like her sparkly eyes and nice legs. I interrupted her phone call to ask if she was busy. She hung up the phone. Do you do massages? Yes. Do you make love? Yes. How about 150 RMB? Yes. So we hiked the 6 flights of stairs to her apartment, where we met her roommate, also from Hubei. Now call me a sick fuck, and I sorta am, but I have good luck with girls from Hubei. They won’t play the flute, not even if offered the position of "head" flautist, but they will hump like hungry little bunnies that love the weenie. This works for me. And, and I forgot to mention; although they don’t give head, they love it when you go down on them. Selfish little tramps!! So I munched for a while, she got wet and yummy, and we proceeded to propagate the species in the name of Mao. After the soldiers had been released into action, we went back into the living room and watched volley ball on TV with her room-mate, who was also very pretty. They didn’t want to let me leave, joking in Chinese, and offering short English lessons. What a difference a year makes! How empty is my sack! Why the fuck didn't I offer them a 3-way?
In short, here is what I have learned over the past year. Not all will agree, but that’s OK. Look as good as you can, look happy, be friendly, and look for the girl that smiles at you. DUH. It ain’t rocket science, but balls are still tingling.
Raz
Raz,
You dog! :)
Nice report! You handsome dude... Don't think I ever heard a working girl whisper piao-liang to me. :( So a phone # to #3? Can't believe the thought of proposeing 3 some in your pal's place didn't kick in. I mean what do you think her roomates was thinkin as she was having fun? As for Hubei girls, I hear they're crafty of sort and OAH told me that one of fellow monger's wife (Johnny?) is married to Hubei girl. I personally prefer northern girls...
Hey you plan to be in SZ area in July?
DF,
Well, it sounds like you may have dressed like a Hongkie with shorts... Hell I wear shorts my self as it get so damn hot and humid. So what was the fine/bribe? Just in case I get busted too. What do ya think would have happened if you said "ting pu dong"?
Stay safe.
RasSpewtin
06-06-04, 04:39
Soulman:
Me, a dog? WOOF!
You bet, I will be back in SZ towards end of July, for a failrly long stay. You have my email address. If you lost it, PM me.
Raz
RasSpewtin
06-06-04, 04:42
Reading my lengthy report below, I see that some of the text characters appear as little squares instead of letters. Not sure if this is how it looks to all of you guys, or if it because I am using a Win98 PC in the airport now.
Someone please let me know. This report was cut and pasted out of MS Word using Win XP, so perhaps it is a font issue.
Raz
Guys,
In the unfortunate event that legit law enforcement happens catch you engaged in an unlawful activity, do NOT give up your passport. They will ask for it, but do NOT give it up. Give them the line that it's not yours, and that it belongs to the US government. Tell them that if they want it, they have to contact either Colin Powell or the US Ambassador to China. I'm not sure if it'll work but it got a good friend of mine off the hook after a fight in a bar.
OldAsiaHand
06-06-04, 06:00
Raz,
There are no little squares in what I can see.
OAH
To Shy Boy or anyone else:
1st questipn: Is Sha Zui is this the same area called Sha Tsui? 2nd question: The rate for in house is $150-200. What's the rate for take out overnight in Sha Tsui.
Might PM you later for the mamasan's phone number in a month.
I asked these questions a few days earlier but never got a reply.
Thanks,
Fran123
Time to catch up on a few things.
1) took a trip to Sha Tsui, was not followed, bothered or in any way stopped from doing my business. Looked casual and no problems. Finally settled on a Mamasan and let her know while going upstairs I like friendly and large tits. She brought in 5 girls, with better than average, but not stellar tits, so I chose the friendlyest looking one. Xiao Liu. Good service, BBBJ without asking, and multiple positions. Not bad in all. In general I dont like Sha Tsui as much as I dont like to reject girls except by walking by. Jusco is easier as you can look and cruise around, and if nothing gets you going (but I dont see how that could happen if you are reading this board), or for whatever reason, you can easily leave. Sha tsui is so confusing an area to give directions and such, it would be difficult to go back and get the same girl(s) unless you get their phone number.
2) Raz, I will take you up on that beer some time, but I am looking at going back to the US, so not quite sure about the timing for it.
3) I dont know about Johnny, but I am married to a Hubei woman. Yes Hubei people have a reputation for being tricky. 9 headed birds (jiu tow liau) they are called. I could go on and on on this subject, but I digress.
My main method is to wander a bit, but once I see something worth going for, I dont wait very long. I understand shopping can be half the fun, but I think it safer and cleaner to get in and get out. You can spend as much time in the room and comfortable, but the girls tend not to want to stick around after the deal is done.
An underappreciate area is the one just up the road from Jusco behind the Regency hotel on Shennan, just about 1km east of Jusco. It is cleaner and maybe a bit safer, but has less selection, also a bit more laid back than Jusco IMHO.
Dear fellows,
Once a year ago my Chinese friend took me in a sauna in Hefei (Anhui Province?). That was unforgotable experiance! We took shower, went to a steam room, enjoyed really good massage, watch HK kunfu movie in a big rest room, had some beer with crawfishes, another massage with some extra service and slept a last right on the armchairs in the dark rest room... Next morning we left for GZ. And all these caused the damage equel to the one night stand in a decent hotel. Very good experience.
I wonder if there are any 24-hours sauna in SZ? I heard that Taiwanese and HKongers like to stay in such establishments instad of staying in a hotel. I'm going on business to your glorious city and would like to stay is a such sauna.
Any information?
Best regards,
Kitaec
OldAsiaHand
06-07-04, 02:23
Kitaec,
The type of establishment where you can spend the night are all over Shenzhen, but the extra service is hard to find. Most you can get is a HJ in some of them, nothing in others. I was shown a good prospect for FS a couple of weeks ago, but the location is impossible to describe except that it is off Xinzhou Lu and near the Sha Tsui area. Some require you to come late to spend the night, and some have a minimum, say three hours massage to qualify. Any yes, all are much cheaper than a hotel.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
That changes once you leave SZ. In DG basically every sauna offers FS.
Overnight stay is possible, but if you come to early, or during a busy day you will probably charged quite a bit more.
I have not been to any sauna place the last few month (except the one next to the Huang Gang border which does NOT offer ANY sex services. In DG you typically pay RMB 150-250 for 2 hours room, plus at least RMB 300 'tips' for the lady. This was the last few times more like RMB400 or so.
It's just not economical compare to BBS, or compare to room service, where you have to pay for the room anyway if you stay overnight.
My last 2 room encounters in ShiLong where RMB 250 + 300 respectively, plus RMB 198 for 1 night stay. (I prefer not to stay in GZ when visiting the GZ fair).
Fran123:
Sha Zui and Sha Tsui are the same places. I'm using proper pinying and I think Sha Tsui is probably the Cantonese way of writing it.
In house was 150 min but I gave 200, so you have the correct range down. I have no idea what take-home is, but the way it works I'm guessing you'll just have to negotiate directly with the girl.
PM when you need the number and I'll give it to you. She doesn't speak English, however, so you'll need to be able to organize something with her in Chinese.
Hope that helps.
Tinybobo1002
06-08-04, 21:13
Fran 123, as far as I know. In-house and take-out are the same price, i.e. 150 rmb at Sha Ju. 150 rmb is for ST and 300 rmb is for overnight, basically all you can fuck. The problem is though, in Sha Ju, it is not safe to stay at the local 2 star hotel. Even if you have an apartment some where in SZ, you don't want to drag the girl all the way across the city. Of course you can pay cab fare, but that's not economical. I also don't see why we need a pro for overnight. For pros, I usually fuck and go. I will sleep overnight with a freebie only.
Bob Builder
06-09-04, 08:48
Daynight,
That's funny that you say that the sauna at Huang guan border doesn't offer FS as my friends regularly go there and they sometimes that that is all some of the ladies offer.
Bob Builder
I talk about the huge massage place opposite the HG border. The one with the huge hotel like entrance hall.
I tried it a few weeks ago. Had a VIP room and a thai massage ordered. No sex at all. Even not a HJ. Still, RMB 220 or so.
That place is really HUGE. It stretches over several floors. It's also very very busy with Hong Kong people of all ages and all sexes! I saw a lot of HK women there which went for a massage.
Maybe some of girls offer HJ, or even FS. But it's not the right place if you go just for sex. The chances are rather low to get it.
Please try and report yourself (people lie a lot when it comes to sex stories).
Bob Builder
06-10-04, 12:13
DayNight,
No use arguing about it. Guy, I know is reliable source that I have known for over 10 years and lived in China for over 30 with no reason to lie about it.
No need to go into the validity of info that you get on an anon forum on the web.
Tatyu: Where is Sha Ju (I'm assuming it's not the same as Sha Zui/Tsui)? I'm staying in Shenzhen, Futian district. I've found that Jusco/Walmart area BBS girls want 400 for LT and limit you to 2 times, so the deal you mentioned sounds better. Also: the reason to do overnight with a pro is that, compared with typical freebies, there are no hidden costs or extra efforts needed. They can be as fun, or more fun for that matter, considering that there's a mutual understanding of no complexities. I just had a good LT last night with a gal from Walmart area. Fun attitude, pleasant conversation, comfortable lay. LT with a pro can be good if you find the right ones.
DayNight: It could be that thai-style massage might be the wrong choice. In mainland China, "chinese-style" and "thai-style" often mean no special service, while "euro-style" or anything sounding Western means special service, usually HJ. Like OAH, I have rarely found FS in saunas, but those do exist. However, I did find one sauna girl who wants to meet outside work, we'll see how that goes.
BBS update: The BBS scene around Jusco and Walmart have been iffy for the past week or so, some nights nothing is open, or only a few shops. Not sure why. I usually visit between 1 and 3 AM, maybe I'm going too late. The street (not alley) just south of Walmart with many BBSs had basically nothing open the last two times I went.
Bar update: Twice in two weeks, I've had the experience of picking up a girl at Chicago bar, and then she wants to go to another bar, but only because she already had plans to go there to meet other friends and just wants me to pay the taxi. Their cleverness is admirable but I'd rather avoid that ploy in the future. New rule: When picking up a girl, never go to another place of her choosing (other than bed).
Sorry to be a bit OT here, but someone can surely help me out -- anyone know of a good (4 or 5 star, or a damn nice 3 star) hotel that is 15 minutes or less from Shenzhen airport? Have an early morning flight coming up and don't want to get up real early or have to worry about a traffic jam en route to the airport.
Feel free to reply via PM to reduce the amount of Off-Topic postings.
Thanks mates.
Near the Airport? Stay in Shekou then....
OldAsiaHand
06-11-04, 05:07
Bob Builder/DayNight,
I suspect you guys are talking about different places.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
06-11-04, 05:14
Lucky,
You are only talking about 20 minutes to the airport from Futian. I have never encountered any traffic jams on the way to the airport early. Why don't you go out and stay at the Crowne Plaza in OCT? Very nice 5 star hotel around 750 RMB corporate rate. Or, I have been staying at the 4 star Grand Holiday Hotel lately. This is home to the infamous Las Vegas KTV. It is right on Binhe Road and a straight shot to the expressway to the airport and a value at RMB389, including breakfast (if you can call it that).
OAH
P.S. Back in the country, my friend? Give me a call when you get down South.
OAH,
Ahhh, Las Vegas, still my favorite KTV, although lately my friends and I have been going to Jin Ze Zhe Dai. Next time you're there, ask for Ah Juan. She's a mommy there. She usually has a nice selection of girls. If you go, tell her Da Wei, the hanguoren with the girlfriend who was there 10 nights in a row in January with his hanguoren friends, sent you and you want to see her prettiest girls. :-)
Hi all,
Recently I was in Shenzhen on my way to HK and I stopped in to one of the BBS across from the train station in Luohu. What is the going price at those places? I paid 200 rmb for FS because I was in a hurry and no time to bargain. Can anyone advise in case I pass through again.
Member #2400
06-15-04, 16:59
Had some free time today and went to visit behind Jusco.
Got there around 14:00 and all the shops were shut closed.
Came back around 16:00 and saw some providers walking the small alleys, but still shops closed.
During that time there was a lot of Baoan activity with radios on and running feet noise, I guess this might make yu wonder.
On the way out (to Starbucks to relax) I walked the main street behind Jusco (from east to west on the south side) and came across a new place (about 1/4 of the way towards Jusco starting from the T intersection, no names or other details.
Outside there were 2-3 guys soliciting customers for "massage" (locally known as Massagy) and being abble to say "beautiful girl" and the such. Besides them there were 2 long red chinese dress girls standing at the two sides of the door.
I asked how much and with the 30 quay answer figured this is a legit massage .. but still tired and all went in.
The entrance has a waterfall and some trees in it.
We climbed to the second floor (newly renovated interior, a/c clean !!!) and ... SUPRISE SUPRISE we walk into a Bangkok style (almost) fishbowl. The girls are sitting behind two glass doors fully (but a thin strip) covered with a painting.
You pick the girl and off we go.
They have 2 (that I saw) and maybe 3 or 4 more stories each with many a/c'ed rooms clean shower, clean sheets.
The girl comes with towls and additional set of sheets + change over cloths.
Due to the short time I have now, I will not go into the action details, but you could get anything you want (1, 2 shots, BJ, HJ, FS) and the price is negotiated (in my case after) with the girl.
I ended up paying 200 + 30 (for the house) almost like the backstreets, no Baoan, no bullshit.
Also, the room is clean, the shower is western, there is soap and clean big towels.
I liked it and will most certainly come back.
D
Brain Damaged
06-16-04, 10:37
Hi Mongers,
The Chinese newsgroups have discussed the following:
1) Beginning last week (early June), the Gong An started another one of their "100 nights" crackdowns.
2) Mongering opportunities are best FINISHED before 830pm to keep away from LE.
3) A big KTV in Shekou was busted two or three nights ago under the latest "100 nights" busts.
Play safe!
BD
OldAsiaHand
06-17-04, 13:43
Fellow Mongers:
I spent some time yesterday in both WalMart and Jusco areas myself.
Hooked up with Nightcat near Walmart. Many shops were shut, especially on the two main roads running perpendicular to Fuxiang Lu. I ran across one of my old lao ban yang friends who had moved again (formerly on the strip, then moved up the other side of Fuxiang Lu) into the alleys where the bunny hutch is located. She told me that on the road near the cement park, LE would not allow the FS shops much longer. Looks like the same thing is happening like the old candyland strip. I guess they are really trying to clean up the whole area. Although the pickings were slim, I did manage to find a real performer in one of the shops just off Fuxiang Lu.
Off to Jusco area around dinnertime and hooked up with Johnnykon and another mongering buddy. Nearly all the shops were closed, but the girls were all sitting in front of the doors. One lao ban yang told me there were checking licenses so they had to shut down. Ran into couple of twins and was tempted to have a sandwich but Johnny took one of them since he was in a hurry to get back to Guangzhou.
Raz, did you know that the girl you took the last time we were there had a twin? Now you do! The twin has a bigger rack.
My buddy and I decided to get a bite to eat and a massage first. Back in the Jusco alleys around midnight, I had a stroke of bad luck. A few of the girls I fancied would not agree to go. I was after take out service. One mama said there was a 2 girl minimum for take away. Another girl (very new) was afraid to go anywhere other than the apartments upstairs. The third one said it was too late, but offered to take me to her personal apartment, but it was a 7 story walk-up. Finally settled on a CQ girl. The service was just average.
I also noticed that some asking prices were crazy. 300, 500, one even tried 800RMB. A couple of the mamas even refused our patronage completely. I also must say that overall quality of the talent is on the decline. This may be a side effect of the crackdown. I certainly hope it is shortlived.
OAH
Superforce99
06-17-04, 14:07
Dolevr,
For 230, did you get a massage as well? And how many pops?
Also, I think it might be a good area to do the "sauna overnight"
which is a favorite of OAH...
Well, it was great going around the Jusco area with OAH, but
definately, there was a "crackdown" atmosphere going on but
in my opinion, most of the girls were simply sitting outside their
locked up shops instead of sitting inside their opened up shops.
Overall, about 40-50% of the shops were closed.
The girl I had was a great, great fuck. Total GFE, one of my top
10 of all time. Really quick BBJ from her, but after getting a look at
that luscious body, I just was all over her, with light kissing and
DATY. She was moaning, pulling my hair, and generally going
crazy which was a real turn-on. And damn, that pussy smelled
nice and clean, kind of like a light flower scent. Got in and it was
the good R's: really tight, really wet, and really active. Fucked
for close to an hour in all sorts of positions before finishing doggy
and then collapsing in a sweaty pile with her. We just hugged
and gentily kissed each other for 10-15 minutes before taking a
shower. She said she heads up to GZ every week or so and will
call me for extra sessions (YES!). I don't know what it was, but
I never last 50-60 minutes but with this particular gal, it was no
problem, and she was attributing my fucking abilities to being a
foreigner, ha ha. If only it were that easy...anyway:
Face: 7/10 (more girl-next-door than slutty sexy)
Body: 8/10 (thin and small-ish rack but very proportional and nice)
Service: 9/10 (more BBJ would be nice)
Overall: 9/10 (definately a regular experience from now on)
I can't believe the emperor OAH couldn't see she and her sister
were twins until the mama started pushing a "twin sister
sandwich session"! You're not losing it, are ya, majesty??!
Hmmm, sandwich... I was tempted but I just took the sister who
seemed warmer and gave me a better gut feeling. I'll get the
sandwich next time. She's about 5'4", thin but not bony, has
dark medium length curly hair, and usually wears some kind of
black leather choker and name is Ah Lee or something. I didn't
have my camera, but I'll take some pics next time. Treat her
well and you'll get it back in spades...
JK
RasSpewtin
06-17-04, 20:24
AOH:
So Johnny had the same girl that I picked the last time we were in Jusco? Actually, I liked her so much that I went back later that week for a second go. Can't wait to meet her and her twin at the same time, provided that the crazy rates come back down after the crackdown.
By the way, it looks like I will be in SZ during the 2nd/3rd week of July, so maybe we can meet up?
Raz
Member #2400
06-18-04, 08:35
JonhhyKon,
Regarding the 230 in that new place I have some comments:
1. I DID NOT negotiate. Probably 150 + tip would go as well.
2. She complained how come I do not stay for another hour ("two hours is better") so I guess if I did stay another hour (+30 to the house) I could go on for more pops.
3. Squeezing a massage (back first, then head, then front, and only then she started working) + FS in one hour is very tight.
4. She was nice looking (7-8) but not a stunner. In the fishbowl there were much better - but I was just amazed from the Bangkok like feeling that I overlooked the looks (sort of).
I plan to be back there this weekend or early next week - and have a better scouting trip.
Hope you guys stay safe.
D
OldAsiaHand
06-18-04, 09:30
Raz,
I am pretty sure it is one and the same. She asked me where my friend was and you are the only one of my friends that had her before her recent encounter with the King of Guangzhou. I intend try the twins sandwich and will let you know how it is. The infamous #21 was also asking about you. See you soon, my friend.
OAH
Dodgy Fellow
06-18-04, 16:22
Are they also cracking down on Sha Tsui?
Raz:
I see you have surpassed me in the #21 area. I have much to learn from you. PM next time you are in the area and we can schedule something.
'yan da' (crackdown) are just part of the game. Remember not to whine, and that it is just the part of price of playing. It helps to keep down the scammers like that guy who got hit with the fake police. Remember to always play safe and smart.
Peace,
TZ
Bob Builder
06-20-04, 04:55
I didn't see any decrease in the action in Sha Tsui last night. Quality and quantity pleantiful as usual.
And to quote a newbie, I took with me "Who said Chinese women don't have big tits?"
John Siron
06-20-04, 05:30
My KTV freebie told me that there was a crackdown at her KTV on Friday night. Caught a bunch of people doing drugs right before closing time. I believe her club is Tianshangrenjian.
Superforce99
06-20-04, 06:37
dolevr,
i had a chance to go back to shenzhen a few days ago and i was
really keen to check out the place you talked about. with your
description of the two red dress-claded gals, touts, and waterfall
entrance, i thought it would be a snap to find...but no.
apparently, red dress-claded gals, touts, and waterfall entrance
are all the rage for massage places...wtf???
i ended up checking three different massage places in the jusco
area. i created a crude map with stars identifying the places i
checked out. i'm not really good with names, but if you go to the
jusco area and refer to my map, you should have no problem
finding the places i checked out.
star #1:
i thought that this must be the place; had red dress-claded gals,
touts, and waterfall right next to the entrance, but, well....
anyway, it's located a little bit off the main road. as you can see
in my map, if you keep walking along the jusco street, it will end
at an intersection on the westbound side. there will be some
construction work going on to your left and an alleyway neighborhood
straight ahead.
after entering, i thought to myself, "this is the right location,
somewhat off the main road but the quality is too high...marble
floors, separate shower facilites with annoying 'tip-me' locker
assistants, tasteful rooms with decent bed and wood panelled-
walls...and no shower in the actual room..."
saw plenty of typical business-type hong kong guys roaming
around so i was sure it was a fs place. the rooms were 35 rmb
per hour and massage fee was "negotiable with the girl" which
increased the fs potential in my opinion. the final test was when
i asked them to show me the girls and they were all gathered in
a room, dressed in standard tighty whitey massage worker
uniforms and lounging on wooden chairs. they all wore just a
bit too much make up and gave me slutty-sultry looks when i
peeked in, and then my ever-reliable "monger ho radar" went off
the charts. overall, the look and feel was more bbs-style than
thailand fishbowl, that's for sure. and for sure, i'm the hella outta
there. personally, i don't like the shared shower facilites, tip-me
locker assistants, and 50 million workers mulling around shouting
"we gladly welcome you" in chinese but if you don't mind that
atmosphere with guaranteed full service, then head on over there...
star #2:
this place had a "water dribbling down the front window" with
red dress-clad gals but no second floor that i could see but i
decided to take a look anyway. overall the set up was very similar
to star #1, except at much lower quality and much more seedy
feeling. price was 30 rmb per hour for a room and massage was
negotiated with the girl. i was looking for a place with shower,
bed, and girl in one room, so again i left...
star #3:
red dress-clad gals, touts, but no waterfall. you have to go
immediately up the stairs and i felt it was a basic repeat of star #1.
not bad mind you, but i'm just not into the "put your stuff into a
locker and change into a flimsy robe" type massage place for fs.
maybe for a cheap massage only.
so, well, what to do, what to do? ha ha, as you can see by the
map, at least i was right next to the famous alleyway bbs near
jusco and i went exploring for a bit. about 75-80% of the shops
were open compared to 40-50% when i went a few days ago
with oah. ended up taking my super-gfe from my earlier report.
same good stuff as last time but better, ofcouse. damn, that is
one sweet piece 'o asssss.....the kind that you feel a constant
ache for when you don't have it...so overall, not a bad day but
it would have been nice to try "bbs style without the hassles."
so hopefully, dolevr, you can shed some light on exactly where
your newfound place is. refer to my crude map, if possible. thanks.
johnny
OldAsiaHand
06-20-04, 14:46
Dolevr,
I would also like to try the place in your post. The thought of clean sheets and in-room showers for that price is very appealing. Do you know if you can spend the night if you go in the late evening? I will be back in the area in the next couple of days. I hope you can reply to Johnny soon so I can find the place. Thanks.
OAH
P.S. Any of the other regular SZ mongers been there?
Member #2400
06-20-04, 16:43
Hi guys -
Sorry for the late reply - been busy with some guests from out of town.
First, I want to refer to the map.
If the T intersection in the map is actually the dead end (for cars) when you go left from Jusco all the way then ...
Get out of Jusco ... cross the street ... turn left ... start walking.
Before the first intersection there is a big BBS, very expensive looking.
Cross the street and continue walking.
On this side of the main strett there are some restaurants, there is a dentist place and there are more than 3 massage places.
The first one will be with the girls wearing white uniforms. This is not the one .
The last (third or maybe more) one will be with girls wearing plain cloths. Not this one.
On between there is the place I have described last time.
I am planning on stopping over tommorow (cross fingers) and have a go again.
Then I might have some more details.
Regarding the other questions:
- I went there only that once - so I would not know about the overnight (OAH)
- I guess the girls do not have uniforms (this might help in the search)
- The fishbowl was through a set of glass doors covered with some flowery coating/painting
- The entrance had noone but the red dress clad girls and the touts
- The fishbowl on 2nd floor and the rooms on 3rd through 5th floor.
D
FrankJohnson
06-20-04, 16:52
Still interested if anyone has ever popped Christine at "Ideas" bar in Shekou. See my earlier report:
"I did try to thoink one absolute beauty; Christine at "Ideas" bar. Tall, slender, long black hair, and come fck me eyes. After two evenings, she said she did not go home with guys. Has anyone experienced her?"
PM me if you prefer. I could not break through with this bim, but would love to know the key to her if anyone has. :-)
Frank
fj,
ah, it's so easy to go to the girlie bar alley to fall in love with the beauties with limited egnlish skills. they are quite good at making you feel wanted and the "one" as you freely buy drinks for her and her pals (even from neighboring baas 0 typical pronounciation). you know something? all she and her cohorts want are your cold cash. i know as i also fell for "jenny" in these bars back in 2000 and let me say i generously supported jenny bar for many many nights.
she took me to discos in sz on my hotel in the middle of her shift at the bar provided i came to "baa" when they opened to buy rounds of drinks. she even made a surprise visit to my hotel room but she wouldn't take her clothes off. she came back another day and we watched a porno flick on my laptop. she acted like she was about to fuck me only to call her boyfriend (a jerk who worked for ibm in san jose area - told her he'd marry her) from my hotel room. again no clothese off and she gave me hand job as she was talking to her boyfrined. now i was not so pissed about her calling when she undid my pants to stroke me. she teased to a point of letting me into the bathroom at bar to french kiss me then to squat down on the toilet (many local girls squat down on the toilet seat to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134)) to let me take a nice peek at her hole but no i couldn't even touch it. :)
uh, they all claim their body is not for sale stuff and tell you they will call a nice girl for you to fuck. imagine that... i mean how can you say yes to this to girl you have been enamoring over for days...
so go ahead and waste money on this **** because there's high chance that you won't fuck this *****.
Am visiting Shenzen in 2nd week of July. Any tips on how to get a interpreter cum escort who can stay with me?
EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to add standard capitalization and punctuation. To avoid delays in future reports, please refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. Thanks!
Bob Builder
06-23-04, 08:48
You sound like the guy who came to my office looking for translator and guide to China but only wanted to hire a woman.
Member #2400
06-23-04, 09:33
Guys -
I spent yesterday 1 full hour to type a report about the "fountain place" .. and due to some misterious computer reasons the report is gone.
Having said than, I will not try to re-write the report but rather give you the essentials:
The location:
It is across the street (exactly) from the west end of the construction site that lies east of Jusco).
- The door still has the 3 white shirt/black tie touts and the two long red dress clad girls.
- The price (no change) is still 30/hour, but they try to convince for a 2 hour session for: clean room, clean sheets, a/c, shower, massage.
- The girls sit in the fishbowl under wall labels with numbers 1 through 20. I picked #51 that set under the #17 sign.
- You climb to the third floor (and I hope someone will explore floors 4 and 5 above)
The service:
As in the first time, shower and clean towels (3: one for the shower, one for the head rest and 1 for after).
Then she asked Chinese or Thai style and proceeded with full body massage.
At some stage I asked her to take off the clothes and she did, proceeding with BJ (during which she was afraid of CIM she told me) and about 20 minutes of different positions ... very creative.
This was truly a GFE experience with her cooperating in all manners, nithing banned, no fake sounds, a lot of hugging and mouth to mouth kissing.
I came doggie style and we lay spent for another 5 minutes.
Then came the interesting part: she followed me into the shower and proceeded with a BJ me standing and she crowls, some Fire and ICE and CIM. I did not ask or push her (I swear).
So for your previous questions, I guess 2 shots is OK.
After she thoroughly washed all my parts, dried me off and dressed me, we fnished the XiaoFei issue (200 same as last time) and I went downstairs to handle the Maidan (30).
Total damage: 230
Looks: 7-8 frrom Zhejiang, 24 y/o happy and talkative but no English
Service: 8 (because of trhe first "NO CIM" and the negotiation ("the normal price is 500 ... 400 ... OK 200").
I will go again. I will report again. I like the place.
Much much better than the backstreet alleys.
D
SM and FJ:
I read about your laments and smiled. I know that situation and the frustration it can bring. After years of pain on handeling Chinese women, I have gained a bit of insight into such things and I hope this helps.
First, start with the concept that Chinese girls are pretty much 100% backward from your thinking, don't expect to change them, so you will need to do everything backwards. Funny sounding but true.
When you are in the OK, act like you dont give a s*** about them. Never try to impress them with your job, etc., in fact mention virtually nothing about yourself.
Do not compliment them on how attractive they are. In fact, you should be frequently putting them down about anything, calling them clumsy or slow in a joking way. Make sure it is kept in a funny type of manner. I would assume that they would be very attractive, so I would say "I would think about sleeping with you, IF ONLY YOU WERE A BIT SMARTER"
Dont buy them any expensive gifts, and infact let them know you expect her to pay for things in such a way that she is not sure if it is true or not. Dont blow any money on them in order to impress them, or 'make their life easier', it does not work.
Think I am crazy, give it a try, you might be surprised.
Peace,
TZ
P.S. Soulman, if it had been me with my member in her hand while on the phone to the BF in the US, I would shout out loudly, "STOP YANKING MY DICK SO HARD, Pay attention". Make things a bit interesting. Disrespect me, and you will pay, one way or the other.
I thought it was only in Thailaand where guys fall in love of a prostitute, but obviously not. Don't be stupid, always remember that for any girl who has decided to be a "xiaojie", it costs her a lot in term of self respect and pride, and the fact that she has accepted the idea of it means she is ready for any trick. When you have accepted the idea of prostuting yourself, it is comparativelay a very small crime to cheat a bit of money or feelings, isnt'it ? If you udertand Chinese, this state of mind could be summed up as "hochuqu", and allows any mean and trick to achieve to aim wich is getting rich and get face in front of the whole society. You could be friend with some *****s, not all of them, but never their lover. Don't dream. If you belong to these dreamers, read extensively the Thailand section, it will open your eyes.
Bob Builder
06-24-04, 13:59
TZ,
Too general, being so experienced you should be able to sort the silk from the chaff.
So guys never gain the experience or know any better. Also if a guy is loaded and wants to hand over his savings, that's his problem. As to those who say it ruins the market for the rest, the standard price has come down from $250 to $150 the last 3-4 years and if you can't afford $150 may be you should stick with Mrs. Palmer and her 4 daughters.
I know a guy who regularly pays double and up to $1000 to just sit with him in KOKs. The girls love him and who am I to tell him he's wasting his money when he is having such a good time. He can afford it.
The guys you commented on in the last postings sound a bit inexperienced considering the nature of their comments and the location of where they are playing. They havent mentioned how much money they were paying. I sure the quick answer to their questions is to just ask these girls who work in pick up joints how much and you will find out if they really do it or not. My assumption is that they haven't got around to offering any money(enough) or don't expect to pay any.
TangZhen
For a moment there, I thought you were describing the way to treat North American women.
I've got news for you it ain't just Chinese women that should be treated this way. Remember, nice guys finish last.
I can say that from experience, I treat my girls like princesses and they still leave my a**.
Do you know how many guys I have seen with hot girlfriends and the guys treat them like s***. And their girlfriends love it- I think they like the "drama" of this kind of relationship and see it as a challenge to try and change a guy like this where other girls have failed. It's in a womens nature to want to change a guy.
From now on, no more Mr nice guy. Only hookers and BBS/KTV girls for me.
Cheers
Trisomie
I agree with Bob Builder that the prices have generally been decreasing in China over the past years. A few years back in he largest cities you could not find anything for less than 1000 or 500 Y for ST. It is not the case anymore. In middle range cityes of Guangdong, Guangxi or Yunnan, you can get little gems for 150 to 250 Y. Also, I find more and more "iddle" ( = "xianzhe") city girls, educated, clean, dressed sexy like Thai girls, who just left school and are not in a hurry to work because dad is paying for the mobile phone and all the rest, who spend all days QQing on the net and chasing "shuaige" (= good lokking young Chinese guys) just to have sex for free. These girls are not after the money but only the exitement, and they are usually happy with this 200 Y. The only thing to beware : logically they are also eager to try drugs, and they do. So the extra money may be for this purpose.
Builder Bob:
I frequently enjoy reading your opinion. Yes, my short post is only a small intro to what to do. I dont have the time to lay it all out 100%. Gotta leave some things to trial and error. I am just trying to help guys who dont know that getting all excited and thinking that they should be really kind and sweet just does not really work.
Funny story, I met a KTV girl on a bus while she was off duty and on her way to work. I did not know she was KTV, only that she was cute and well dressed. I chatted her up a bit, doing what I do, and came to my stop (zhong xing guang chang) and she changed her plans to get off the bus there. We went to do a bit of shopping and take a coffee at starbucks. I paid for nothing while she shopped, and made fun of her on small things. I paid for the starbucks (wow 80RMB). At the end of 1/2 hour she was inviting me to meet her at her work and was indicating she really wanted me to meet her sometime, mien fei. I took her number, saw her to the bus station (being the gentleman that I am), immediately threw away her number and went and nailed a girl who was cuter for 150RMB. Why, I dont need the hassels as I am married.
Frankly I encourage everyone to spend as much as they want on the girls, I really dont care. My weak spot is language. My Chinese is OK, but I am no DaShan. Buying a girl is good for sex, but worthless for much else. Luckly I enjoy the sex, though I would like to find one who has an advanced sense of technique.
Trisomie, you are correct it is basically the same, but turn it up a few notches for KTV to get though the thick cynical nature. Sure they look sweet on the outside, but inside their head, cold as steel.
Bob Builder
06-25-04, 17:02
T Z,
Thanks for the compliment I think. To let you in on a little secret(well as little as posting it on the web) I probably have what you just said that you are looking for at the moment A hot young part timer with great technique that doesn't count the money and leaves you with that GFE afterwards. I'm keeping this one for myself or until I get sick of her that is.
Happy ho'ing!
BB
OldAsiaHand
06-27-04, 09:17
Gentlemen,
I have said it before and I will state my POV again. There is an old adage from Thailand that rings clear, "You can take a girl out of a bar, but you cannot take the "bar" out of a girl. My two cents of advice is to pay for every session and keep yourself rational. It is possible to find a diamond in the rough, but the odds are stacked way against you.
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
06-27-04, 12:12
WalMart area update:
On a recent visit, I noticed most of the shops are still closed. More of the shops that were located on the road to the West of Walmart, have moved into the alleys off the road to the East of the WalMart. We found some reasonable quality talent in the alleys. I took a 21 year old (a bit old for my taste) from Hunan. Sweet girl with a nice rack, but a little on the chubby side. She seemed a little shy in the shop, but the service was pretty good overall. Standard price of 150RMB ST.
OAH
I am going to be going down to HK on a trip later this week or next. I wanted to see what your thoughts about traveling to SZ and staying a few nights mongering then taking a ferry to HK.
I have some questions about the travel arangements. How much does the ferry cost? Does anybody have some hotel recomendations based on a bang for the buck basis in SZ and HK? (no pun intended ;-) )
Please PM me if you don't want to post.
Also if you would like to meet up PM me and we can make arrangements.
There is no ferry to SZ. Did you mean SheKou? That's the closed any ferry goes to SZ.
SheKou is (or was???) a good place for sex anyway, why not stay there?
Regarding the discussion on treating girls shitty, I think most of us have heard this guideline circulated, but, just as often, some men will swear by treating girls "like a lady". So these points of advice would cancel each other out, no? My guess is that the "right" advice depends on what extreme the guy is starting out at. In my own case, I've probably been closer to the shitty-treatment extreme. I will easily criticize a girl when deserved, but without the suggested smile (which would seem to be saying "don't worry, I don't really mean it" -- a bit nicer than I like to be). I suppose I can try adding the smile, so that I'm not too far into the shitty extreme which may feel good in the moment but rarely works as far as getting laid is concerned. If you don't believe me, try being ultra-shitty and walk up to a girl and order her to come with you for sex, without so much as smiling or even giving her the honor of eye contact. Better yet, in price negotiations, tell a girl she's worth about 10 yuan for FS and see if she goes for it. Or tell her that since you're far better looking than she is, she should pay you. Also try this with a non-pro, ideally within the first minute of meeting. My point is that the oft-repeated "treat girls like shit" advice doesn't work so well if you really do it, but if it gets you unstuck from the nicey-nicey extreme, it may be helpful.
FrankJohnson
06-28-04, 14:15
Daynight and Wicked,
Yes, Shekou is still a GREAT place for the sex scene.
Wicked SH
To answer your question about the Ferry:
Ticket Price to Hongkong is 90 HKD before 5:30pm, after it is 110 HKD.
Phone No: Phone No. (0755)2669-5597 2669-1213 2669-5600 2669-5601
Call them direct for the time schedule. Depending on the time you end up in either Kowloon or Central.
The price for Hotels depends on your budget. For HK, the websites asiatravel.com and asiahotels have had good pricing in the past. I forget which was better so compare.
As far as SZ, I usually put my visiting friends/business associates up in the Great Wall Hotel. Its located on Hong Gui Road between Bao'an Nan Road and Hong Ling Road. There are actually alot of barber shops near there. The first alley past the hotel (walking towards Hong Ling has a few) and directly across the street to the right is another alley with restaurants, small grocery shops, etc. If you keep walking up that alley you will reach an L that only allows you to walk left. A number of barber shops on that strip if you keep walking to the end. At the end you will exit the alley onto Bao'an Nan road.
For those that want a massage place where they definitely offer extras, near where you would have exited from the alley above, directly across the street and to the right, there are to curving staircases leading to a second floor entrance to a office building. You will see on the street one or two women in red dress uniforms standing there so you will know it is the right place. Just in case you need more landmarks, if you are facing the building you will see to the far right (next block) a McDonalds, and to the left of the buidling you will see a Lamb Restaurant, Amway and China Mobile.
My days of mongering are behind me since I met this incredible girl. I will, though, continue to make posts to keep my mongering friends updated with new information as I come across it.
LA
OldAsiaHand
06-29-04, 02:32
LoveAsia,
Sorry to hear you are out of the hunt. I met an "incredible" girl almost 8 years ago, but this does not stop me from pursuing the hobby as often as possible given the constraints. I continued to monger from day one after I met her and have never stopped. I just look at it from different perspectives. I guess I am just addicted.
OAH
Good to hear from OAH and TZ.
Gents. I'd listen to words of wisdom from these gents...
TZ, good story on ktv girl. She probably wanted you to book a room at her ktv thru her anyway. I had severe withdrawal from KTV GF last summer and OAH gave me insightful and on the dot advices. These sirens know how to hook a man and it really is all about money... As someone pointed out, these KTV girls are tainted once they enter the industry and see men as another "john" to make money on. So I take the advice from PAH and TZ and go for "cheaper" avenues to have sex with young attractive girls where there is little loyalty but excitement from screwing a new girl (must be caveman type conquest). So street girls and barber shop girls suit me fine for 200 RMB vs 800 RMB for KTV girl. What can I say? It's just screw and at the end of the session, more variety at economical price us better!
As for treating girls like shit, I disagree. It's old BS adage you hear when you're in college. It may work but most if not all women want to be treated well. There is karma and those who mistreat others for "fun" will find that shitty things keep on happening to them in their life.
Peace
FJ and other mongers.
Be careful with street girls who hang around in pairs near the girlie bar alley. They grab your arm (one each) and try to convince you to take them both. A buddy of mine did and boy did he regret it... It was no 3-some but 1 at a time with girls who turned out to be ugly and lousy sex. Also, you'll see same group of girls all the time. Avoid them as they are not too cute in brighter light.
A good place to pick up girls in Shekou is right in front of McDonalds. You'll see girls just hanging around the bus stop and planters. It they make eye contact then you know they are pros. I hear that their main clients are Japanese. Another good area is the street between McDonads to girlie bars. You'll see girls just hanging around in front of tall building.
I met older Hunan girl named Yang Ping there. Awesome GF session as I call her whenever I'm in town. Trouble is she stops taking my money and stares me like she's in love... :(
As for hotel in Shekou, there is Nanhai which is sort of a dump and pricy. I'd stay at Holiday Inn in Nanshan about 10 mins (5 mins with no traffic) by taxi.
Red China Boy
06-29-04, 12:40
Dolevr,
Went looking for your BBS last saturday. Got to jusco around 5pm and went out on the Kosmo coffee side. Trouble is there are so many BBS and dentists had a little trouble. However, more or less directly opposte the plaza just up from the construction noticed the only place with touts. Walked in and it was very new, with rather thin entrance place. Think some constuction was still going on.
However, not taken to a fishbowl(but maybe it was too early). Straight up to a room and it was extremely clean. Just asked for massage and a girl called Helen came in. Denim dress, little make up and slight but pretty. Room had Skyworth TV and shower had some pump dispenser tea soap. (was i in the right place?)
Anyway, got out of the shower and she asked me to put my boxers back on. Oh dear, wrong place I thought. After a 15 minute massage turned over and asked about a bit of FS but no english and the answer was no. However, she did give a BBBJ which was surprising as she was very shy and giggly. It was good but I decided not to come and tried to get her clothes off but she was having none of it, in a fun kind of way.
Didn't ask for any money at the end so gave her 100 and went downstairs to pay mamasan 30 for the hour.
Good experience and suspect I was in the right place. Everything seemed to fit butwould like your comments so I can visit again and maybe be more direct when asking for the massage. There was a big sliding window with a painting over it next to the desk where I paid the mama.
God I wish I could speak the language.
Yellow Fever #2
06-29-04, 15:35
I, too, met an 'incredible' girl also but like OAH, I can't (and won't) kick the habit.
In fact one day your 'incredible' girl will get tiring and our look for ways to gain some freedom time to yourself. Don't forget you still need your space.
Once a monger always a monger.
You'll get over it. Good luck!
I still exist and am enjoying my hobby all over China. I just have not been too vocal with my exploits - trying to keep some of my favourite local haunts a little private.
I hope one of these days I can escape and join a group for a tour of some areas but it is difficult to make plans becasue of my 'incredible' girl. Maybe 7 or 8 years on, I will gain more freedom like OAH. I just take advantage of every opportunity that I can.
You only live once - take advantage of your chances and give your life some excitement.
Any chance of becoming a 'Senior' member? I'd post more often if I had my status upgraded.
OldAsiaHand
06-30-04, 02:34
Red China Boy,
Yes, you were in the right place. I was there last night with a couple of mongering buddies. If you had looked behind the painted glass next to the counter, you would have seen the "fishbowl" if you can call it that. It is a room where all the girls are sitting under red numbers painted on the walls. Yes, one clean sheet, one towel and a pair of shorts, plus a shower with no hot water, but you didn't need it yesterday.
The place is actually across the street to the south of the construction site to the east of Jusco. The west side would be up against the CITIC Plaza building itself.
I reckon the place is "hit or miss" when it comes to FS. The touts claim it is not available. I did manage to get FS (but no BJ), but both of my buddies got zip, except a bit of fondling and one was offered a HJ. My girl did not even have a condom and was very reluctant to do FS in the room. Swore me to secrecy, but it may have just been an act. I had to borrow a rubber from my buddy. Outcall is available. My girl was more than willing to come to my place if I wanted.
I guess it just depends on the luck of the draw with the girl you pick and you will get no help with the selection from the touts.
OAH
P.S. By the way, I paid RMB200 tip for the FS. I tried 150RMB, but she did not agree. Service was pretty good so I did not try very hard to bargain.
To make a short story long:
I checked the 'Jusco' area yesterday. The small F shops where not really to my liking, the uniformed security also did not look to friendly. Anyway, my target was a massage place as described earlier.
And I did check numerous massage places! None had a shower in the 'VIP) room. All looked more or less like ligitimate places, which maybe offer HJ, and maybe FS for the VERY lucky ones.
Well I did gave up on the Jusco area and took bus number 531 (or 513??) to Ban Chug Tau (RMB 3.00). Ban Chug Tau is just outside the '2nd' border on the east of SZ. In fact, it would be a 15-20 Minute walk from the 'Sha Wan Gung Lu' 2nd border crossing.
Why Ban Chug Tau? I saw a massage place there some time last year. And AMAZING - i found it (after getting stuck in traffic for 1 hour or so). Girls all in white and cute. Massage was quoted at 35. 15 Minutes into the massage and already with one finger in the pussy the young girl explained that this place did not do FS, no matter what. I paid my 35 and left.
20m further was the next place. Same story! No FS!
Another 30m in a side ally was a small place with 6 or so girls. At least for where 8 with model figures! Massage was quoted at 150 - that's where I stayed.
My lady was tall and very slimm, but still with nice breasts. She was a bit cool, but warmed up later. To describe it in numbers:
Face: 8-9
Figure: 8-9
BJ: n/a
FS: 5-6
Facilities: 4 (I have seen worst)
I may go there again to try a different talent, there where so many stunners, but I hade no time to try a second one....
OldAsiaHand
06-30-04, 12:25
Yellow Fever:
Nice to see you back on the board. I was looking for you last time Raz was in town. I put up a post, sent you a PM and tried to call your mobile. Raz wanted to explore the same shops we visited together out in your neck of the woods. If you have a new mobile #, PM me. Raz will be back in town again soon.
OAH
P.S. You need to post a request for upgrade to Senior Membership on the thread in the Site Administration section. Let me know when you do it and I will endorse you.
RasSpewtin
06-30-04, 21:04
I was planning on visiting the fishbowl place on my next visit, but think that I will change my mind due to the hit-and-miss odds as noted by AOH (and I gotta tell you, if it's gonna be hit-and miss, AOH always gets a hit. He's got horseshoes up the wazoo).
My recent modus operandi tends to be popping a "V" about an hour before arriving at Jusco, stopping off to see #21 for some timely relief, and then strolling around for another 30 minutes as I puruse the selection in the alleys for Round 2. I don't think that I can handle walking out of a fishbowl joint with blue balls, it's just a waste of good Vitamin V.
My luck was exceptional in both Jusco and Walmart district on my last trip, batting 3 for 3. As AOH can attest, that's setting a new record for me.
Raz
Member #2400
07-01-04, 05:41
Fishbowl:
Regarding the hit and miss chances. I seems that either we are still not talking about the same place or my luck is great.
I hit 3 out of 3, paid 200 (+30) AND WENT HOME HAPPY.
By the way, in all 3 cases, the shower was hot. 3 towels.
D
RasSpewtin
07-01-04, 18:35
OAH:
Given Dolevr's post below, he figures his place is a sure thing. He posted three times with directions. Are you sure that you visited the same place that he is talking about, or could you have wandered into an alternate venue?
Dolevr:
Will you be in SZ around the middle of July? I would like to meet up with you. Glad to share info with you.
Raz
Red China Boy
07-01-04, 23:34
OAH and Dolevr,
I was only given 1 towel so maybe it wasn't the same place. May have another go. They certainly didn't give me the chance to have a look in the fishbowl.
What times did you visit Dolevr?
Red
Superforce99
07-02-04, 01:20
Dolevr,
Is it possible to take a pic and/or business card to clear up the
confusion once and for all? I know I'm still not convinced we all
are talking about the same place. Thanks!
Johnny
OldAsiaHand
07-02-04, 01:59
Dolevr,
No, I am not 100% certain it is the same place because your posts have never been really clear on the location and description. For example, your west of the east side of Jusco description. Is it the same location as I described in my last post? One really needs to be a detective to find and confirm the place from your posts. However, if some basic data in your posts is accurate I am reasonably confident we found it. The place does in fact have a name, "Chang Le" or something close to that. I don't read Chinese, but there is a blue and red neon sign above the door. The tout told me what it said.
The two touts had white shirts and dark (not black) ties, the girls outside were wearing dark red dresses. There was a waterfall in the foyer, the "solid" painted glass window on the 2nd floor (could not see inside like a fishbowl), the numbers on the walls (we looked through the door), sheet & towel (maybe I was short changed), shower (maybe hot was not working that day), tv, etc. is enough evidence to convict.
Evidently, the 3 girls you had were keen on your 12" or you are a real smooth talker to bat 1,000 there. We went .333 combined on the night. Maybe my buddies can post more details on their "miss" experiences.
Keep up the great work!
OAH
P.S. I like Johnny's idea. Why don't you take a picture and post it so we can all be certain?
Red China Boy
07-02-04, 08:24
OAH,
New to Shenzhen and thanks for all the information. I live about an hour away but visit when I can.
Are the BBS in the block behind our massage place? I actually don't know east and west round Jusco, but do know the 7-11. Is it in the block behind there?
I tend to be there daytime. Is there a best time?
Cheers
Red
Member #2400
07-03-04, 09:03
Guys,
I will be in SZ again next week and will try to at least geta business card of the fountain place
D
OldAsiaHand
07-03-04, 11:32
Red China Boy:
Yes, the BBS are in the 4.5 alleys directly behind the massage place. Night offers more selection, but many shops are open in the afternoon too.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
07-03-04, 11:33
dolevr,
One of my buddies returned to the place and reports FS available, including 2 pops in 2 hours with a different girl this time. He is now batting 500.
OAH
OAH, Ras and Moody (and other regulars),
I'll be in SZ area on about 7/30 after few days in Xuhai. Will you guys be in SZ area on the weekend (7/31 and 8/1)? How about mini monger convention of sort? I won't miss it like last Nov!
What do you think OAH?
Cheers
Member #2400
07-05-04, 09:12
So now I need to understand the bat and the odds ...
If I had this experience and your friend had this experience and so did you. What is the question ?
I vote that if you can not get 2 pops within 2 hours there is something wrong with your Chinese mongering style and not with the place.
This is still the best place in Jusco area (IMHO).
D
P.S. I will be there later this week and try to get a cacrd just to verify.
OldAsiaHand
07-05-04, 10:01
Soulman,
Unfortunately, I will be in transit back from the states on that weekend. How long will you be in SZ for?
OAH
RasSpewtin
07-05-04, 20:28
Soulman:
I think that I will have ended my visit to SZ by the date that you are showing. Keep in touch in case our schedules change.
Raz
Soulman,
I'll probably be there during that time. I'm probably heading over around the 20th or so, but I'll probably be there for about 3 weeks more or less. I'll send you an email with my new phone number before then. I have to arrange for a new post paid account.
Take care,
Moody.
OAH,
I hope you have time around Aug 8 to 11. I like to check-out Sha Zui (Sha Tsui) and not by myself for safety reasons. My schedule is very tight this time.
Weelock
OldAsiaHand
07-06-04, 06:32
dolevr,
Sorry about the Americana. Let me explain Batting averages are from baseball. If you are successful 1/2 times it is .500, 2/2 or 1/1 is 1,000 and 1/3 is .333.
Please do not question my "Chinese Mongering Style". I have been living in China permanently for going on 10 years, 3 years in Shenzhen. I monger at least twice a week, sometimes more, and often more than one girl per day. You do the math.
My "hit or miss" assessment of the establishment was based on one visit with two buddies. I did manage FS, albeit only 1 pop in 1 hour. My two buddies did not. One of them has been back since and had much better luck. This tells me that the odds are better, but I still submit that there are girls there that will not provide FS for whatever reason, thus "hit or miss".
I will try the place again myself later this week and post a report. I did like the clean sheet, private shower and towel. Quite refreshing compared with the ratty apartments in the alleys behind.
OAH
Member #2400
07-06-04, 15:00
OAH,
Thanks for the americanism lesson and the detailed run-down of the odds, although they seem to improve.
Good luck on your coming visit and the upgrade of the place toa full fledged FS parlor.
D
Moody,
Cool! Let me know your new mobile #. Mine hasn't changed. Look forward to partying with you. :)
OAH,
Sorry you won't around. It'll be a short trip for me this time with bulk of time spent across the bay in Zhuhai. I'll be back in Sept for longer period and all over Xhuhai/SZ/DG.
Raz,
Sorry we can't hook up. Hope work is coming along. Maybe I'll run into you at hotel in Kowloon like last time.
Cheers
Soulman,
If you're going to be in Zhuhai, I might meet you on the way to Macao. Some friends and I usually head out there every now and then. I'll see how things are when I get there.
Later,
Moody
Member #2400
07-07-04, 08:20
The fountain place again ... and the odds are just getting better.
OAH - again I went there today, got my FS with no complaints and left happy as I came (sort of).
I came in at 11:30 this morning, when most of the shops in Jusco area are still closed, and picked #35 (from Haikou in Hainan, 23 y/o slim B cups very nice).
Went to the fourth floor, clean room, clean sheets, bla bla, bla. (I just feel I am repeating myself in this place).
By the way, the girls all have uniforms now (sort of reddish) and the front window has water dripping over it. The water also goes on the window of the next door dentist.
Started with Chinese massage and continued with several positions, finishing off doggy.
She will not have fingers inside her and will not BJ (says she is new and this is not clean ... ) but she will do everything else.
She was fun, inexpensive, and raised the odds.
OAH - what is it now? 0.777?
D
Dolevr
I am also getting curious, you write:
>The location:
>It is across the street (exactly) from the west end of
>the construction site that lies east of Jusco).
Jusco is on Dongmen Lu, right? East of Jusco would be the BBS area. It sounds still confusing.
Did you manage to get a name card? Or a phone number?
Jusco is on Dongmen Lu, right? East of Jusco would be the BBS area. It sounds still confusing.
Jusco is on Shennan Lu, at Zhongxin Guangchang. If you say JiJudao, the cab driver will understand.
moody
Is the BBS area not near (East of) the Panglin Hotel? There is a LARGE BBS area there.
Are we talking about different areas?
Does (you and) dolevr talks about this Jusco:
http://www.szjusco.com.cn/dianpu.htm (Chinese page with address)
http://www.szjusco.com.cn/index/j-ditu.gif (map)
Does (you and) dolevr talks about this Jusco:
http://www.szjusco.com.cn/dianpu.htm (Chinese page with address)
This is exactly it. It's about halfway to Futian from the railway station on Shennan Lu. If you're travelling towards Futian in a taxi, you will see it on the left hand side on Shennan Lu. It's big and you can't miss it.
Doh!
But there is also a HUGE BBS area in the Dongmen Lu, behind the Jusco there. Dongmen Lu is also where the Panglin Hotel is.
Honestly, I am completely lost now!
OAH! Please help!
Red China Boy
07-08-04, 10:46
Dolevr,
Pretty certain I might have the wrong place!
The water running down the window of mine was next to a legit hairdressers on the right hand side as you go in. On the left of the entrance is a very thin alleyway.
Dolevr, am I in the wrong place? Do you ask to look at the fishbowl or do they just show you. I've been twice now and they just take me to a room.
Red
OldAsiaHand
07-08-04, 11:44
DayNight/Moody:
You are both correct. There is an BBS area across the street from the Panglin Hotel in LuoHu. Just go by those outside eateries across the alley from the back side of Seibu and take your first left. The alleys are on your right. Lower overall quality IMHO.
The Jusco BBS area is behind the Citic Plaza (Zhong Xin Guang Chang) complex on Shennan Lu. Dolevr's place, if I am correct, is on the street behind the complex that runs parallel to Shennan Lu. Is is across the street to the South of the construction site on the East side.
OAH
I mixed up Seibu and Jusco. Really depressing. I guess I need some sex to get over it.
Then where is the famous #21 ? Near Jusco?
OAH has it 100% right. I heard there's another one behind the Panglin. I thought you were just looking for JUSCO, that's why I didn't comment on the Panglin one. It's easy to get Seibu and JUSCO confused because there's another Seibu inside of JUSCO. BTW, there's a French bakery shop in the basement of JUSCO that has some decent pizza. Much better than Pizza Hut.
Hi there,
I will be in Shenzhen for a couple of day and staying at the Holiday Inn. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. I will post a report on my return.
Thanks
Superforce99
07-08-04, 15:50
DayNight,
#21 is plying her famous oral skills in the shops near Jusco.
Also, there seems to be some other woman in tow who is training
with #21...a #21 1/2 as it were...
Johnny
OldAsiaHand
07-08-04, 16:35
Jusco Area Repprt:
Day/Night, Just saw #21 alive and well this evening. Tried to drag us into the shop as usual. I do not fancy her looks, but all of my monger buddies rave about her oral skills.
I pulled a Hunan sandwich/two sister tag team. Overall, the service was pretty good. BBBJ skills were excellent with one sucking my little brother while the other was licking my balls and AR. Thry stopped to clean me up before swapping places and made me change rubbers in between them every time which is sort of a drag, but did let me have two pops, one for each. Unfortunately, they would not do any lesbian action.
On the downside, they trashed my bathroom and spit on the floor. If any of you native Chinese speaking mongers can think of a better way to say, "Don't trash the bathroom and spit on the floor" in Chinese, I would be grateful if you could share it.
Dolevr, I decided not to try your place again this evening, but I can confirm it is one and the same. Saw the water dripping window you referred to. If you are 4/4, you are still batting 1,000.
OAH
Here are some highlights from my 8 weeks in SZ. I had planned to stay only a few weeks or so, but got stuck there mongering for a while. I'm now in HK (see my post there) and will proceed to Macau today.
"BBS morning delivery."
My favorite thing in SZ is to call up a BBS and order delivery service when I wake up in the morning. By the way, morning for me is around noon or 2 PM, and some of the shops are opening by then. I stayed at the Hebei Hotel, 180/night, on Shennan Zhong Lu just across from Psycho Guangchang [sic], and next to The Greenery Cafe, a halfway-decent western restaurant. This is a no-star hotel, room was OK, service OK but irregular. I was in room 704, nice view of the bustling traffic below. The cool thing is that this hotel is in an office building with other businesses on other floors (in fact, there's an even cheaper hotel on the 12th floor), so you have so many people coming and going, nobody is scrutinizing you or your guests, although one time a guy working on the hotel floor asked a girl of mine for ID, and I told him to get lost; he was just a nosy kid, that's all. The other cool thing is that it's right downtown, giving sort of a Manhattan-like experience of being right in the middle of everything, in fact it is midway between the famed Jusco and Walmart BBS areas. To arrange service, I find it's best to first do the usual BBS shopping, find a shop where they seem to like me, do a girl at their premises (150 rmb) to establish good relations, then get the girl's phone number, or get the laoban's or shop's phone number from the laoban, and give the laoban the business card of the hotel (so later the girl can get to the hotel on her own). On a subsequent morning I would either order someone specific, or ask them to send who's available, and always got a satisfactory result. I usually paid 180 rmb (150 plus taxi fee) or a flat 200.
"Harem experience."
My other favorite thing is to stay overnight, or several days, with several girls, all of whom I can do whenever I want. Check the Shanghai forum for my harem adventure there. The SZ version turned out to be better, and cheaper. What happened was, while cruising the Walmart BBS alleys one day, I ran into a gal whom I had done a couple times several weeks earlier, and she invited me to go to her apartment, i.e., where she lives. This gal (22 years old) said she can introduce me to her two roommates, her cousin (19yo) and her friend (23yo). I thought she was kidding about me doing them, since they are non-pro. After doing her at her place, I jokingly asked about doing her cousin, and to my surprise, the 19yo shows up a few minutes later in a towel. She normally acts very shy, and says she was with only one guy before, but it turns out that she really enjoys sex. Next time, I came back and had the 23yo, who I thought was hot body-wise and OK face-wise, although a bit serious in personality, and less active in bed. I developed a strong attraction to 19 and 23. They suggested I can stay there instead of the hotel, so took them up on it and moved in. Before moving in, they charged me the usual 150/lay for #22, and 200/lay for #19 and #23 since they were fresh. After moving in, the deal I proposed was 100/night just to stay there, plus 100/lay with whomever I want, so, that was the deal for the next 5 nights. The 3rd night, I wasn't there, got a massage and slept in the sauna, so the other 4 nights was 600 per night since I had 5 lays per day (didn't come each time, maybe twice per day), mostly with #19 and #23. This was really cool. I also bought some English books for #19 who wants to learn more English, and taught her to play some pop music melodies on her keyboard. After several nights I decided I needed to move on, so I left and said I wasn't sure when I might be back. It was fun, a nice, cozy arrangement, and I figured I couldn't top this, so I finally left SZ to continue my travels.
Other tips:
The saunas I found just have ordinary massage, no special service. The rooms tend to have large windows so passers-by can easily see inside. There's a large one near the Walmart BBS area, but the best one is the Pacific sauna center in Luohu, downstairs from U-Bar, not far from the train station. It's the only place where I've found a good massage. They're into tipping here, but I'm not, having lived in China for a couple years, so I just check the box marked "10 rmb" when they give me the tip slip, and they seem OK with that.
There's one really good net bar. From Psycho Guangchang (corner of Shennan and Huaqiang) go east, pass the McDonalds, turn right at the Pizza Hut. On this street, go one block (actually there's a good tea house on the 2nd floor of a hotel, mid-block), the street jogs to the right at the intersection, continue straight a quarter block, and there's a net bar on the left, 2nd floor. 5 rmb/hr, or 3.5/hr if you buy a 10rmb long-term card.
Many restaurants here will give you a pack of tissues or other stuff when you sit down, and charge you for it later. They do this at Ming Tien Coffee Language. The worst is the Indian restaurant downtown that gives you tissues, bottled water, and a crispy snack without telling you they will charge for them. I suggest refusing to pay for anything where a price was not quoted in advance.
Labrador,
Note that the Holiday Inn is in Nanshan district, which is a bit far from the major action (the famed BBS alleys around Jusco and Walmart areas, which are downtown, Futian district; see other posts). On the other hand, you're fairly close to Shekou district, but I never liked the action there, mainly girlie bars where they just try to get you to buy drinks with no chance of FS, and SWs, which I avoid. If you need to be in that area, you might also consider staying at the Crowne Plaza, which is slightly closer to downtown.
I did find one BBS alley in Nanshan. Find the Carrefour, then walk a block south and a block west. Find the Wenhua Pharmacy (on a corner, brown sign, white letters), there's an alley somewhere behind, only 2 or 3 shops, but you may find something you like. Should be the standard 150 rmb.
If you want to get a really great hair wash in Nanshan, try HeCheng Hair Design. Walk north on the street out back of the Holiday Inn, cross a major street via a foot bridge, go north another half block, it's on the left. It's one of my favorite things in Shenzhen.
Asian Monger #2
07-09-04, 09:49
OAH,
Try this:
Bu3 Yao4 Tu4 Zai4 Si(1) So3 Jian(1)
My pinyin isn't quite high on the marks so other pls correct me. Tap? Is that correct?
AM2
I will be heading to SZ soon and will be putting up in SZ Shangri-La hotel, across the rail station. Being a foreigner without Putonghua skills, I am keen to checking out for my first time experience in BBS activity or In-Room service, hopefully I can access this under 5-10 min walk around hotel.
This will be my second time in SZ but last time I was at Shenzhen Shangri-La and I remember vividly walking around on a fine Sunday afternoon and been approached by a line of people on the street handing out business-cards. I have never dared to explore without knowing what i would be getting into being myself.
Any recommendations would be very welcomed by post or PM. Thanks in advance.
Asian Monger #2, OAH
Are you saying don't throw up in the bathroom?
If so the correct pinyin is,
bu4 yao4 tu4 zai4 xi3 shou3 jian1
I'ts my understanding the tu4 means vomit. But can it also mean spitting?
Boss
Silly Puppy
07-10-04, 00:57
Guilao,
I also stayed in Shangri-la and it is a nice hotel. I went out and talked to a pimp who introduced me to 4 girls from a nearby apartment. I bargained him down from 600 to 350 and got a tall, sweet girl. Some how she had a hygiene problem with her pussy that I didn't like very much. I had to escort her out of the hotel otherwise hotel se
Silly Puppy
07-10-04, 00:59
Guilao,
I also stayed in Shangri-la and it is a nice hotel. I went out and talked to a pimp who introduced me to 4 girls from nearby apartments. I bargained him down from 600 to 350 and got a tall, sweet, nice looking girl. Somehow she had a hygiene problem with her pussy that I didn't like it very much. I had to escort her out of the hotel otherwise hotel security'd beat her up.
OldAsiaHand
07-10-04, 03:50
Asian Monger #2/Boss:
I apologize for not making it clear. I am sure many mongers have had similar experience. Girls either do not care or do not know how to use the bathroom. They go in to take a shower and get water all over the place, use all the towels, shower caps, toothbrushes, toilet paper, combs, etc. and just toss everything everywhere. This is what I mean by "Trash the bathroom".
I have found that many Chinese pros spit too often when giving a BJ. Some have enough etiquette to do it in the bathroom or at least the trash can, but others just lean over and spit on the floor right next to the bed.
I am looking for something to say in Chinese to prevent the above two scenarios from occuring.
Thanks.
OAH
P.S. I wonder if they spit on the floor at home.
Dodgy Fellow
07-10-04, 07:57
Hi to all,
About the terms for spit and vomit in Chinese. They use similar terms. It's "tu" (3) for spitting. You can try "bu4 yao4 tu3 zai4 di4 ban3" which is "don't spit on the floor."
Hope this helps.
OAH,
Do they spit on their floors when they're at home? Very unlikely. Mainlanders have their own rules of etiquette, but I seriously doubt if they don't spit into some receptacle while at (their own) home.
Littering while on the job is a different story.
Hoser Hater
07-10-04, 10:54
Here's my two cents on telling a girl to be neat and not spit:
"bu yao ba xi shou jian tai luan" don't mess up the bathroom
And
"bu yao tu zai di shang" don't spit on the floor.
Cheers,
HH
Night Cat and Labrador,
Hey I used to stay at HI Nanshan when they opened in 2000 to 2002 then I moved into Crowne Plaza. I did stay in HI last Nov.
Advice is book room in executive floor. OK happy hour (reception girls have bo clue on the drinks) and oh I love the dim sum breakfast...
There is KTV there and you may be able to hook up with the girls leaving by themselves after 11 PM if you speak Mandarin well.
Closest actions are the girlie bars in Shekou. Now be careful as you'll end up with blue balls teaching English and large bar tab. Street which parallel the girle bar alley ahs some girls for fun. Walk all the way down to McDonalds and you'll see girls hanging around. I have good and bad lays...
NC, thanks for the tip on the place near Carrefour. I used to take stroll down to that area (nice cheap Japanese ramen place nearby).
Hey the place for hairwash youmentioned, is that behind HI and on corner above auto repair store (opposite from dept store - not Haiya)? It's on 2nd floor with lots of windows. Man I love that place for awesome wash and massage on bed/cot for mere 25 RMB. I'm a well known regular there since 2000 and take other foreign collegues there. Man, I'll never forget the time the hairwash girls fought to wash a blonde engineer I brought (she was large sixed woman with long hair). They wanted to touch her hair!
Are any of you plan to be in SZ soon? I'll be in SZ (Crowne Plaza) at end of July/early August.
Moody,
I emailed you my China mobile #. Will be in ZH 7/28-30 and SZ (Crowne Plaza) 7/30 evening to 8/3.
Fellow Mongers,
Let me know if you want to get together for happy hours and mongering in SZ on the weekend (7/31 and 8/1).
My email is cabaretvoltaireusa@hotmail.com
The spitting culture...
I think it's somewhat "accepted" behavior in many Asian countries. I remeber the no spitting campaign in Korea before the '88 Olympics (along with closing down dog soup restaurants from main streets) and in Singapore which fines you (along with minor offense like not flushing and oh yes [CodeWord112] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112) in elevators).
I must say it's total turn off for the girl giving BJ to run to bathroom to spit during middle of the action but I've seen this a lot in China. And the sound of "vomit" or attempt to clean the throat... I mean I didn't even cum (yet).
As for littering in bathroom... Seen this few times too. I think it's cultural but it's kind a uncool to the cleaning ladies. Or maybe it's the fascination with bunch of free stuff in bathromm and their desire to open every package to check it out.
I once had this 1 factory girl I picked up in Shekou clean out my bathroom stuff (shampoo, combs, etc) and tea/coffee/sugar/creamer/stick to stir from my room as she left. I guess I didn't tip her enogh. :)
Hi Soulman,
I think my hair shop is a different one, more than a block north of Holiday Inn. Maybe this is the "great hair wash" district. I just like having them spend an extensive amount of time giving me a head and neck massage, no rush, very thorough. No lying-down massage, however. Like your place, price is around 25 rmb.
I'm now in Macau, no plan to return to SZ unless I pass through there to get a train, because I just found out there are no trains in Zhuhai/Macau. Bummer! I'm working my way north from here, will post on other boards as I go.
Red China Boy
07-12-04, 11:35
Dolevr and OAH,
Was at Jusco again looking for the elusive massage place again. Just cannot find one with a fountain that is next to a dentists! Dolevr is the dentist on the right or left hand side and what's on the other side?
If it's the place I've been to then there's a hairdressers on the right and a small alleyway on the left. The sign above does seem to match your description OAH.
Went to the BBS for a bit of fun but could really do with the clean sheets and a chance to relax afterwards.
I know you must be sick of trying to describe the place Dolevr but the dentist bit has really thrown me.
Cheers,
Red
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