2006 Monterrey Reports [Archive] - Page 2

Member #3453

08-27-06, 03:35

An all nighter, in the Southeast Asia sense, is really not common in Monterrey. But, you can find bar fines here for 1.5-2 hours for around 1350 pesos (under $135US). The all nighters are possible, but it usually requires significant experience in this venue, and some familiarity with the girls to get them for that long...or, if not familiarity, as always, a lot more money!!!! hahahaha!

I'm sure if you offered some of the girls at El Infinito, Matehuela, Givenchy, or El Cielo enough money, they would bite the bullet and stay with you all night. But, beware, Mexican bar girls are great promisers, and many of them are long on promise and short on delivery. I have had many make the promise, and a few actually stay all night.

And also, keep in mind that many of the girls have small children, and more often than not, even if they love you to death, they have to get home to tend to their family responsibilities. That circumstance makes all nighters in Monterrey a rarity unless you can find a girl that does not have children. There are some out there, but my luck of the draw always seems to find the ones that have kids. There is a much higher percentage of girls that have kids working in the clubs than not.

If the Sheraton is not girl friendly, I would recommend Hotel Plaza Del Arco, located at Madero and Pino Suarez, which will cost you around $580 pesos per night. They are very girl friendly, but you must be discrete. However, if Carlos says the Sheraton is girl friendly, you can take his word for it. He definitely knows.

If you are coming down by bus, you will arrive at the main bus station on Avenida Colon. You will already be at ground zero. Hotel Plaza Del Arco is only several blocks to the East, and one block South of Colon, on Avenida Madero, a 16 peso cab ride from the bus station. If you stay within 8 blocks either direction from the bus station, but preferably East of the bus station up to 8-10 blocks max, you will be perfectly oriented logistically.

My recommendation...When you are watching the girls dance in the clubs, check them out, then decide to take the girls for a "privado," a private table dance, test them out for a series of short four minute songs. Then, if you like one of them, pop the question about wanting to do a salida with them. But you will find that many will not do a salida, especially if they just met you.

Many of the girls only perform in the clubs. But, experience and famliararity count for something here. Over time, I have built up quite a stable of available girls that originally did not consent to go with me initially on salida. But, mostly because they know me now, and I am a "trusted" patron, I have very few disappointments.

Familiarity with the venue is a real important key to having a good time here. Lack of familiarity can be very frustrating in this venue. Take it from me, I have spent years working the system here. If you try the salida idea, you have a significant chance of being disappointed with no prior experience here, or without a wing man to guide you.

Sorry to break it to ya, but I would be more optomistic about you having fun here for such a short span of time, and with limited experience, if you chose instead to avoid the salida idea, and confined your activities to services offered in the clubs and/or massage parlors.

Also, keep in mind, a salida (bar fine) in Monterrey, depending on the club, will cost you between 1350-3000 pesos depending on the club. So, make sure you qualify the cost up front before you make the arrangements. Some of these clubs in Monterrey can be very expensive, and there are only four that are within the 1350 peso range, Matehuela, El Cielo, Givenchy, and El Infinito. The rest start at about 2000-3000 pesos for a bar fine. That's slightly under $200-$300US...YIKES!!!

If you want to do stuff on-site it is much cheaper, and depending on the bar, it is also offered with varying levels of comfort, or more accurately, uncomfort. But, for example, at El Infinito, where comfort is non-existent, you can get a BJ for about 200 pesos, and full service in the privados for 400 pesos (under $40). But, WARNING!, also keep in mind, you will be paying 50 pesos for each four minute song played in the privados until you are finished. So, the price can escalate beyond the price the girls quote you for a particular act. So, if you want a 200 pesos BJ, you better be able to finish in four minutes because each multiple of four additional minutes in the privados will cost you another 50 pesos.

I know my assessment sounds negative, but Monterrey is a great city. The clubs are fantastic, and the girls can be up to the same performance level as anywhere I have mongered in the World. It all comes down to knowing the territory. If you stick with "in-club" experiences for your initial visit here, you will have a blast. But if you choose the salida route, I wish you the best of luck! I hope you have a good time...Buenos Suerte, and don't forget to report your experiences.

Velicata

08-27-06, 04:15

Thanks for the info guys. What about the massage parlors? Are they plentiful? Are they like the massage parlors here in the states, i.e. you pay so much up front, then negotiate with the girl for extra services while she's with you in private?

Also, can you choose your girl at the massage parlors?

Thanks again - muchas gracias

Velicata

08-27-06, 04:18

Is it cool for me post my e-mail here Carlos? (Would like to take you up on the offer for a map)

MonterreyDude

08-27-06, 05:34

They are more than plentiful.
If you start in the middle of the comercial dowtown area (Madero Ave at Pino Suarez), you can find up to 10 MPs at no more than a 5 block radius.
And yes and no: MPs are like the ones in the USA where you pay upfront like you say, and no in the sense of price.
MPs here range from 12 dlls way into the 200 dll range.

Thanks for the info guys. What about the massage parlors? Are they plentiful? Are they like the massage parlors here in the states, i.e. you pay so much up front, then negotiate with the girl for extra services while she's with you in private?

Also, can you choose your girl at the massage parlors?

Thanks again - muchas gracias

MonterreyDude

08-27-06, 05:37

You can post it but the system will block it.
Right it down in words, all.
Like: WXY at hot mail dot com
I really must insist after this that you get a membership so you can get PM capacty from this Forum.
It's the only way you'll be able to function here.... we all use it when privacy is an issue.

Is it cool for me post my e-mail here Carlos? (Would like to take you up on the offer for a map)

El Cabron 007

08-27-06, 06:12

Let me add/summerize what UnsoponBob is saying:

It's like wanting to date a waitress at a resturant. You can not ask her out until you make friends with her. This will require few private dances and a couple of salidas. Establish trust. Then it will come naturally. But all nighter first time will NOT happen until later in the game.

I hate reporting my experiences, but take it from a frquent visitor. I take from 1 to 4 girls out for 4, 6 or longer hours. Some ask me if they can come over for an all nighters. Some I avoid because they stay too long and I get 1 hour of sleep. Some knock out girls show up at my hotel room at 5:30 in the morning. I am sometimes lucky if I get 30 minute breaks between girls. Am I complaining? Yes. It can get that much fun out there. How long did this take me? Over 1 year and a half. Cost? I could've bought me a brand new car. Worth it? To each his own. Will I go back? I plan my next trip the day I land in the USA.

I amy only know 1 or maybe 2 girls who does not have children. Generally all do and I would hate to keep them away from their kids.

All this, them girls are real people with real lives outside the clubs. Some of them break my heart when they become friends. I find it very hard to control my emotions after I get way to invvolved with one of them. I respect them s human becasue they. We all should.

Watch them girls pray before they fall a sleep. I do too.

Wasted

An all nighter, in the Southeast Asia sense, is really not common in Monterrey. But, you can find bar fines here for 1.5-2 hours for around 1350 pesos (under $135US). The all nighters are possible, but it usually requires significant experience in this venue, and some familiarity with the girls to get them for that long...or, if not familiarity, as always, a lot more money!!!! hahahaha!

And also, keep in mind that many of the girls have small children, and more often than not, even if they love you to death, they have to get home to tend to their family responsibilities. That circumstance makes all nighters in Monterrey a rarity unless you can find a girl that does not have children. There are some out there, but my luck of the draw always seems to find the ones that have kids. There is a much higher percentage of girls that have kids working in the clubs than not.

Familiarity with the venue is a real important key to having a good time here. Lack of familiarity can be very frustrating in this venue. Take it from me, I have spent years working the system here. If you try the salida idea, you have a significant chance of being disappointed with no prior experience here, or without a wing man to guide you.

Member #3453

08-27-06, 14:15

I recommend you try to pickup El Sol, the newspaper, at one of the numerous Oxxo convenience stores. El Sol has a back section that is full of massage parlors. It is only published certain days however, and it may be hard to find at times depending on the day of the week.

I don't know how available El Sol might be on Sunday, but if you want to do a tour of massage parlors, I would find a taxi that wants to take you around the same general area to scope them all out. I remember, one time I did the MP tour for several hours, and the taxi driver only charged me around $20. But, it allowed me to scope them out, and to determine which of them had a decent selection. You see, the problem is, the selection quality fluctuates, even according to the time of day, and certainly from week to week.

If you find an MP with the selection of girls that you like, you can partake, and either have the taxi wait for you, or you can usually just walk out and find another one to take you back to your hotel. Taxis in Monterrey are like locusts.

I have done the MP tour by taxi several times over the last couple of years, and while MPs are not generally my preference, it IS definitely less expensive than the strip club salidas. However, generally the selection of chicas is NOT to the standard of the strip clubs, but it's usually decent anyway.

I know you can find an MP session at a couple of high end places, Versace, Hawaii. Both have strip club quality selections available depending on the time of day. Both will cost around $80 for about 30-45 minutes, or you can go to some of the medium level ones that will cost you around $45US for the same amount of time. But quality is usually less than strip club quality, and again, beware of the up-sell. Get all the promises up front, and in public, before you ever agree to go to the room with them. Otherwise, they will try to charge you for things that you would have assumed were going to be included.

Minnesotah

08-28-06, 07:59

I'm thinking of going to Monterey tomorrow to check out the girls. It will be my first time there (I live in Laredo).

Can you guys give me a bit of advice?

What part of town are all of the bars in? Can I take a taxi from anywhere in town to the bar area without getting ripped off.

I'm thinking of taking the bus down there tomorrow from Laredo. Are there any girls to be found on Sunday nights?

If you really don't trust them, some high-traffic locations (such as the bus depot) have booths where you get a voucher to ride, but if you arrive by bus, you only need to walk up a block to Madero and cross it to arrive in heaven.

About the Sundays nights, almost everywhere on Earth, they're known as slow nights. In the case of MTY, I am not the biggest expert on this scene, but remember most of the Mexicans are Christians. When I was in town last February (too long ago), I was told by a chica working at Obssession that club is usually closed on Sunday. It was only open, because of the race event at Parque Fundidora and the business seemed slow anyway. By the way, you need to be careful and ask the rates before, because some in-club FS might be quite expensive (to my taste), some are dirt-cheap. It depends where you're and what you want.

Also, more experienced MTY mongers will be of precious help to check that info, but do are all the clubs in town have a sort of "manager" watching you and your chica during your whole session? In the typical US or Cdn strip clubs, bouncers take a tour to have a look and check if everything is ok, but they're not sticking there. You got a dark corner or booth just for your "couple". In my Obsession experience, this dude was really nice and friendly, but almost always next to you or just outside your stained glass door of your booth. So, it is not so bad when you have a lap dance, but when you go for FS? Will he stays there or you need to give him a few pesos to take his head elsewhere? Can you have more confort and privacy?

MonterreyDude

08-28-06, 16:40

Oy! Minnesotah!!!!
The Obsession for FS????
With all due respect, but what the Hell does being a Catholic (not Christians, 89% of us ar Catholics) have to do with Sunday and the Obsession open for business?
Besides, you went to worst of places. The Obsession is geared to squeeze the biggest amount of money from you and they dont care if they leave you broke with only a woody to remember.
To get a decent service with a girl at a club like the Obsession, Amnesia and similar, you need to spend around 300-400 dollars and them maybe, even more (they may try to make you buy them a bottle of Boone's wine for 400 pesos).
Best places for your money are the Madero Ave SC: The Pasarelas, Harem and Casino (opposite direction to the far West).
On Sundays almost all of the Villagran St. clubs are open, like the Infinito, The Givenchy, El Cielo on Arteaga St and Matehuala on Madero at the Bernardo Reyes crossroads.
And your other question: Do are all the clubs in town have a sort of "manager" watching you and your chica during your whole session?
That mess is exclusive of the "high class" clubs.
The rest is just business as usual (and as I can gather, you didn't make it to them).
Those bouncers are there to make you stay unconfortable and on purpose. Even if you give them 200-300 pesos they will stick their face in your way.

If you really don't trust them, some high-traffic locations (such as the bus depot) have booths where you get a voucher to ride, but if you arrive by bus, you only need to walk up a block to Madero and cross it to arrive in heaven.

About the Sundays nights, almost everywhere on Earth, they're known as slow nights. In the case of MTY, I am not the biggest expert on this scene, but remember most of the Mexicans are Christians. When I was in town last February (too long ago), I was told by a chica working at Obssession that club is usually closed on Sunday. It was only open, because of the race event at Parque Fundidora and the business seemed slow anyway. By the way, you need to be careful and ask the rates before, because some in-club FS might be quite expensive (to my taste), some are dirt-cheap. It depends where you're and what you want.

Also, more experienced MTY mongers will be of precious help to check that info, but do are all the clubs in town have a sort of "manager" watching you and your chica during your whole session? In the typical US or Cdn strip clubs, bouncers take a tour to have a look and check if everything is ok, but they're not sticking there. You got a dark corner or booth just for your "couple". In my Obsession experience, this dude was really nice and friendly, but almost always next to you or just outside your stained glass door of your booth. So, it is not so bad when you have a lap dance, but when you go for FS? Will he stays there or you need to give him a few pesos to take his head elsewhere? Can you have more confort and privacy?

Porker

08-29-06, 22:23

Haven't been paying much attention lately to what's going on in Monterrey. I have been a bit "busy". But headed up for lunch on Thursday to meet up with USB, and I HOPE, Carlos. Glad to see that those who DON'T have sticker shock in Monterrey these days (and no horny US-based guy SHOULD!) are still having fun there.

El Cabron 007

08-30-06, 01:32

Who are you calling 'Horney'? I am not Horney. I am a Lisbiano. I just love girls.

Have not seen you in a while Porker. What date are you in MTY?

Wasted

Haven't been paying much attention lately to what's going on in Monterrey. I have been a bit "busy". But headed up for lunch on Thursday to meet up with USB, and I HOPE, Carlos. Glad to see that those who DON'T have sticker shock in Monterrey these days (and no horny US-based guy SHOULD!) are still having fun there.

El Cabron 007

08-30-06, 01:42

Carlos has naked pictures of Mr. "L" but I doubt he dares post them ;)

We went up to our floor to see Mr. "L" getting ready for the night while he left his room door unlocked for us. Carlos hides behinds and slowly pushed the door open for the all to see Mr. "L" in is birthday suite. LOL - you should've been there.

MR. "L" turned around and finds he is completely naked and exposed to the hallway. "Oh Sh^%T", he says. Carlos took pictures but he would not dare share.

Was this before or after he find the rubber box? He accused me and Carlos of sneaking it it. Carlos, how did you manage?

Fun. I will have to work hard on topping my last weekend there.

Lion Killer

08-30-06, 01:44

porker

i am a sometime monterrey wannabe, been there 6 times i think, but i have to really disagree on ur conseption of sticker shock. i can only assume ur talking about the airliines cost of prices?

my used to be $180.00 flight from houston to mty is now over $400.00 and climbing. i have written continental about there outregous prices and they do not care, more or les they will tell u pay the cost or shut up.

well i am not into pay it or shut up as the airlines like u to be, just my 2 cents, i refuse to give into the airlines, even mty is the holy land for pussy.

LK

Porker

08-30-06, 04:38

LK, Carlos has said it before, but have you checked out aviacsa.com? Mostly cheap airfares, especially if you're shopping for fares inside the US carriers' 7-day advance notice threshhold.

Minnesotah

08-30-06, 04:44

I agree Obsessions is not recommended for FS and neither I went that far there. The only reason I went once to Obsession was to explore that scene and it happens to be on a Sunday night. Also, my point with the high trust in religion is it might give a negative effect on the Sunday business. I respect it and I just wanted to mention that aspect as a hypothesis why some clubs are closed or slow on Sundays. Per exemple, in my juridiction, grocery stores open and alcohol is sold on Sundays only since a very few years for that reason and for most people religion is not as important as it is to Mexicans. In the state of NY, they still not sell booze on Sunday before the afternoon. Our local club scene is still very limited on Sunday night... I hope you understand better my theory.

Thanks for the explanation too.

Oy! Minnesotah!!!!
The Obsession for FS????
With all due respect, but what the Hell does being a Catholic (not Christians, 89% of us ar Catholics) have to do with Sunday and the Obsession open for business?
Besides, you went to worst of places. The Obsession is geared to squeeze the biggest amount of money from you and they dont care if they leave you broke with only a woody to remember.
To get a decent service with a girl at a club like the Obsession, Amnesia and similar, you need to spend around 300-400 dollars and them maybe, even more (they may try to make you buy them a bottle of Boone's wine for 400 pesos).
Best places for your money are the Madero Ave SC: The Pasarelas, Harem and Casino (opposite direction to the far West).
On Sundays almost all of the Villagran St. clubs are open, like the Infinito, The Givenchy, El Cielo on Arteaga St and Matehuala on Madero at the Bernardo Reyes crossroads.
And your other question: Do are all the clubs in town have a sort of "manager" watching you and your chica during your whole session?
That mess is exclusive of the "high class" clubs.
The rest is just business as usual (and as I can gather, you didn't make it to them).
Those bouncers are there to make you stay unconfortable and on purpose. Even if you give them 200-300 pesos they will stick their face in your way.

Member #3453

08-30-06, 05:32

Carlos and I were discussing this vary issue, about trying to find the airfares that are apparently much less expensive, and he suggested I check Aviacsa, and even some of the other Mexican based carriers.

Each time I have checked for a fare via the Mexican Airline internet sites from the US, the fares have been very close to what's being offered by Continental and American. Both US carriers have very similar costs from the Midwest. So, I have a hunch that maybe the better way might be to check at the Monterrey airport to see what fare you might be able to negotiate. Maybe they're giving better fares to the Mexicans and gouging the Gringos on the internet sites, if that's technically possible. They may even be gouging the wealthy Mexicans who have the means and experience, the computer hardware and knowledge, to book flights on-line. So, I'm going to check at the airport to see if they have a better fare if it's purchased inside of Mexico at the ticket counter.

With respect to having fun, I have been smuggly claiming to have been having flawless trips the last couple of times I've visited Monterrey. But, this time, things have been complicated by significant drama from one of my girls. The other girls are all there waiting dutifully in the wings, which is comforting. But, wouldn't you know it, the one that I want the most is giving me fits. Isn't that how it always goes...the one you can't have, or the one that is holding out, is the one you always want more than all the others.

It would probably take several years on a couch to figure out why I keep doing stupid things to sabotage my "relationships" with my best girls, but I think I've done it once again. But, I am learning...

And, what I have learned is that the Monterrey scene is in a constant state of flux, with variables that will effect each and every visit. Some visits will have you boasting that you have finally gotten it mastered, and then there will be a subsequent visit somewhere close down the line that will illustrate one's arrogance at thinking we know what we're doing.

Either way, in order to play the game in Monterrey, and especially if you live in the US, you will definitely need significant scratch to bank roll the ups and downs. Then, as Wasted indicated before, you will eventually come to the realization that you have literally blown enough money in one year to have purchased a brand new car. I have also spent that same kind of money over the course of a year traveling and mongering in Monterrey. Lately, especially with the significant drama I'm experiencing now, I question the wisdom of that investment. But, there again, I am probably thinking more with the head in my pants instead of the head on my shoulders.

Porker, see you on Thursday...

LK, Carlos has said it before, but have you checked out aviacsa.com? Mostly cheap airfares, especially if you're shopping for fares inside the US carriers' 7-day advance notice threshhold.

MonterreyDude

08-30-06, 06:17

Sure...
But you need to come down here.. show you the way to move around and not fall prey to temptation of the devil...LOL.
Just kidding!!!

I agree Obsessions is not recommended for FS and neither I went that far there. The only reason I went once to Obsession was to explore that scene and it happens to be on a Sunday night. Also, my point with the high trust in religion is it might give a negative effect on the Sunday business. I respect it and I just wanted to mention that aspect as a hypothesis why some clubs are closed or slow on Sundays. Per exemple, in my juridiction, grocery stores open and alcohol is sold on Sundays only since a very few years for that reason and for most people religion is not as important as it is to Mexicans. In the state of NY, they still not sell booze on Sunday before the afternoon. Our local club scene is still very limited on Sunday night... I hope you understand better my theory.

Thanks for the explanation too.

Lion Killer

08-30-06, 23:06

Porker,

Thanks for the reply, I monitor Travelocity everyday, and Aviacsa is also $400.00 on any given day from Houston. I guess they figure there are way to many Mexican's and Mongers who live in Houston so they know some will pay the price.

At the $400.00 cost per seat, they now only have to fill the plane half way. I will keep looking cause I do like Monterrey.

LK

El Cabron 007

08-31-06, 04:05

Just got back from a NY strip club. I am stuck here for a week. My body is here but my mind in at the "I", the "O" and the "EC" ... etc.

The second I entered paid US $10 cover and $8 minimum drink for orange juice. No liquor when full nude dancers. I almost cried when I compared it to MTY. What a waste of time and money. I also guessed the owner or manager must like double sized ladies since they all were the size of 3 chicas at the "I" and the "O". I can carry my girls at the "O" during but these girls here can carry me back stage where you set down, hands to your self, rub their drippings on you your cloths and charge US $20. No way I'm going back stage. I did not stay long and now trying to arrange for my next MTY trip.

I want to own Monterrey. I have 5 or 6 girls at the "I", 3 or 4 at the "EC" and 1 at the "O". Not to mention the ones I longer want to see t the "P" or the "C"

I'll announce my next trip to MTY soon. I would love to see you all guys but you better not slow me down.

Wasted

El Cabron 007

08-31-06, 04:15

I'm paying $600 to $800 for my tikcets. Not to mention around $2000 while I'm there. You wanna live it up, you gotta pay the price. and it get's better and better every time.. The stuff I do, Carlos refuses to hear about.

I can not type straight any more. Better get bsome rest

Wasted

Porker,

Thanks for the reply, I monitor Travelocity everyday, and Aviacsa is also $400.00 on any given day from Houston. I guess they figure there are way to many Mexican's and Mongers who live in Houston so they know some will pay the price.

At the $400.00 cost per seat, they now only have to fill the plane half way. I will keep looking cause I do like Monterrey.

LK

MonterreyDude

08-31-06, 08:17

Airfare: 600 dlls
Hotel: 250 dlls (5 nights)
The smile you'll be have on you face when you leave Monterrey... PRICELESS!!!!

I'm paying $600 to $800 for my tikcets. Not to mention around $2000 while I'm there. You wanna live it up, you gotta pay the price. and it get's better and better every time.. The stuff I do, Carlos refuses to hear about.

I can not type straight any more. Better get bsome rest

Wasted

Lion Killer

08-31-06, 22:44

Wasted,

Whinning is not what's happening. Its called not being stupid.

$900.00 ticket to the Philippines, $20.00 a night hotel and $20.00 for 24 hours with a lady in your hotel room.

$400.00 ticket to Costa Rica, $50.00 a night hotel and $50.00 for 2 hours with a chica in your hotel room.

$600.00 ticket to Honduras, $30.00 a night hotel and chica's are FREE in your hotel room, they ask just a tip.

$350.00 ticket to Cozumel, $50.00 a night hotel and 50.00 an hour for a chica in the club.

$500.00 ticket to Curacao, $75.00 a night hotel and $30.00 an hour for a chica at Campo Alegre.

$350.00 ticket to Jamaica, $50.00 a night hotel and $50.00 an hour for a lady in your hotel room, no chica's there.

I am not about to pay $600.00 to $800.00 for a ticket, $50.00 a night hotel and $135.00 for 2 hours with a chica in your hotel room. They are way better values in many many other places with the same quality.

I have been to them all, some of them 4 to 6 times over. Its a value thing, in mongering you go where you can get the best value. I have been to Monterrey 6 times in the past 1 1/2 years. When the value over rides what you pay for then it does not make much sence. I am not into lighting a match to $100.00 bills just to watch them burn. I have lived it up all over the world and will continue to do so as long as I get what I pay for. Thats my story and I am sticking to it.

LK

El Cabron 007

09-01-06, 06:36

The norm is I go hopme from a project. Instead, I go to MTY and client pays for my ticket. (free to me)

$50 hotel room when the staff greets me with a grin, worth it. Manager welcome me personally and offers anything I want.

I get up to 4 or 5 girls setting with me begging me to take them back. I pay bar fine for each, unless i meet them aftger hours.

The waiters fight over who will serv me,

20 girls at a night club and I'm the only guy with them,

Girs knocking at my door at 5.30 AM asking if I am busy.

Coffee with Carlos, lunch at a the vally, and othjer things I can not tell you about.

More andmore not even Carlos knows about. $2000 for the weekend is not even close to being expensive. The only painful part is leaving and planing thenext trip the second Iland back in the USA.

Besides, I have already established numerous relations with a ton of girls. When the hotest girls in the clubs fight over who will go home with me tonight and, having a big heart, among other thiongs, I end up taking a couple or more back or the price of 1.

For what I'm getting from MTY. I am not complaining. Easyt in and out for me. A few hour-flight and with buddies I enjoy their companies. Althoughtghey slow me down.

I even hooked up with a waitress at one of the non-chica bars and another non worker. tight as hell.

I beleove I have conquered MTY. I own Monterrey. Wait for the day I book the Prestige or the Obsession for the night just for me, Carlos, Mr."L" unosbongbob(?) (change this name dude).

I having the best time of my life. Feel guilty as hell. But the coffee is great.

No whinning, no comlains, I just can't get enough.

Someday I may accompany you on a tripo tot her places. I might like it as well, but I usually get the weekend off only.

Thank you for taking the time to read my post. Hope to see you soon.

Wasted

Wasted,

Whinning is not what's happening. Its called not being stupid.

$900.00 ticket to the Philippines, $20.00 a night hotel and $20.00 for 24 hours with a lady in your hotel room.

$400.00 ticket to Costa Rica, $50.00 a night hotel and $50.00 for 2 hours with a chica in your hotel room.

$600.00 ticket to Honduras, $30.00 a night hotel and chica's are FREE in your hotel room, they ask just a tip.

$350.00 ticket to Cozumel, $50.00 a night hotel and 50.00 an hour for a chica in the club.

$500.00 ticket to Curacao, $75.00 a night hotel and $30.00 an hour for a chica at Campo Alegre.

$350.00 ticket to Jamaica, $50.00 a night hotel and $50.00 an hour for a lady in your hotel room, no chica's there.

I am not about to pay $600.00 to $800.00 for a ticket, $50.00 a night hotel and $135.00 for 2 hours with a chica in your hotel room. They are way better values in many many other places with the same quality.

I have been to them all, some of them 4 to 6 times over. Its a value thing, in mongering you go where you can get the best value. I have been to Monterrey 6 times in the past 1 1/2 years. When the value over rides what you pay for then it does not make much sence. I am not into lighting a match to $100.00 bills just to watch them burn. I have lived it up all over the world and will continue to do so as long as I get what I pay for. Thats my story and I am sticking to it.

LK

Member #3453

09-03-06, 14:35

This trip was frought with significant drama of the bad kind on one hand, and drama of another sort, an arguably good kind on the other hand.

First I will report the one specific kind of drama on this report. I hope for commentary from the lurkers, the normal peanut gallery, etc...so, please chime in with your comments, advice, etc...Then, after the response from this report dies down, assuming there is sufficient response to motivate me further, I will report on drama #2.

First Episode of Bar Girl Drama...

I have a steady bar fine that does three things that had just finally made me incredulous, and I just couldn't help but call her on them. She continually tells me that she wants me to move to Monterrey for something permenent, that she does nothing with other guys in the privados, and that she is in love with me.

This girl stays with me longer than any other girl that I bar fine, sometimes for 3 hours minimum each time, to up to 7 hours at a time. She has gotten in trouble at her job because she overstays her time away from the club with me. She is only supposed to stay 1.5 hours, and she had routinely been staying much longer, and for the same salida amount, plus I only pay her what she would normally make for 1.5 hour salida, 1000 pesos.

The last time I was with this girl she put on an absolute porn star quality experience, and her time with me would have been free except I insisted on paying her. I did not want to be getting it free and have the whole "relationship" eventually falling apart. So, I think it's wiser to pay them. But, bottom line is, I think she actually likes (loves me?) me, at least until I offended her, hahaha!!!

She became really angry with me while we were in the privados. I told her she was a "good actress" and, in so many words, accused her of lying to me too much. She immediately told me she was terribly offended and abruptly ended our privado. She would not speak to me, or allow me see her the entire time I was in Monterrey. When I would visit her club the rest of this entire week, she would totally avoid me.

At one point, as I was standing watching her on stage the last night I was in town, she literally turned her back on me to avoid having to look at me as I was standing in front of her. I had hoped that by standing in front of her during presentation, I might get some indication that her attitude toward me was softening, but she maintained her anger and shunned me completely.

The truth is, I had suspected this girl was changing deep down inside for the last couple of months, and I could sense a hardened demeanor from her. Not necessarily anything that could be easily detected had I not known her before. It's just that over time, I have noticed her changing ever so slightly.

She got into the business a little over a year ago, and during that time, I have probably bar fined her once or twice a month. Initially, she was one of the sweetest girls you could ever bar fine. But, over time, I detected slight changes to her personality and a hardening demeanor that bothered me. And of course, I would catch her in occassional lies that bothered me as well.

I thought that after knowing her for so many sessions, that we were close enough that the lies would not be necessary. I just started to become offended at the lies, and I was becoming increasingly disappointed in her hardening attitude. But, basically, I still really like her. Maybe it's just the memory of how she originally was when she first started out in the business that appeal to me now. But, I still love her, even to this day, even with her obvious faults and increasingly disappointing hardening attitude. I am just too sentimental for my own good.

Anyway, I was sufficiently bothered by her behavior that I just had to let her know that I was not stupid. So, I just asked her in the privados to tell me the truth. First, she told me that she "thinks she loves me." Then, I told her I think she is a "good actress." That is all I said before she told me that I was offending her, she got up, and insisted we leave the privados.

I don't know if she might have mistakenly thought I was referring to her performances with me in the hotel room, the times during our extended salidas, that those times were being acted out, which might actually be somewhat offensive to a female, to believe that someone thinks you've been faking the intense orgasms when they have always been the real thing, hahaha!

But, I meant that she is just a good actress with respect to telling me she loves me, telling me she wants me to move to Monterrey to marry, telling me she is chaste in the privados (comon' !!!), and the other little white lies that don't ring consistent.

So, when I told her she was a good actress, and asking her to tell me the truth, I just wanted to interject a little honesty into the whole arrangement so we could move on together. If she does like me a lot, love me, whatever, then fine, but I wanted to know the situation, and to eliminate the "elephant in the living room" between us.

This girl IS special to me. She is my preferred bar fine when in Monterrey. I do love this girl, or at least I love her act, whichever it might be, I just finally wanted her to "come clean." Unfortunately, everything backfired, and I am somewhat doubtful that we will be seeing each other again.

My friends in Monterrey tell me that she is merely playing games with me, and that she will be seeing me again on my next trip. But, I have my doubts about that. I apparently truly offended her, and perhaps this is her way of convincing me she was sincere in her "lies" to me, hahahaha!!! Who knows!!!

Carlos cosistently reminds me that I am dealing with the mexican version of our US "trailer trash." So, it's my theory that she is dealing with me like she knows how to deal with her "trailer trash" mexican boyfriends. Which may actually be quite a compliment, in a wierd sort of way. It may indiciate that her feelings for me are genuine, and that she is not considering me as a client, but as a legitimate boyfriend. Otherwise, if I were merely a client to her, would she not be treating me with more concern over the loss of the consistent bar fines. Plus, if her feelings are sincere for me, she might also be reacting out of emotion, and in the only way she knows how, in the way she deals with her trailer trash boyfriends. Oh, and if you live in a trailer, please do not take offense. I live in a rural area, and some of my best friends, fine people, live in trailers. But, if you know "trailer trash," even if you live in a trailer, at least you can understand my metaphor.

But, if she is in it for the money, I fail to see how she would be benefiting financially from the way she is handling the situation. This week alone she missed out on at least two bar fines, and a number of regular privados each day. I always take care of my girlfriends, and I make sure I buy them drinks, take them for privados, and bar fine them...I am always sure to patronize them as much as possible...They've gotta eat!

Anyway, I attempted to make up to her several times during the week. Of course, I apologized profusely to her, asking to forgive me, and to at least talk it out. She refuses to listen to me, will not speak to me, and as I indicated, she turns her back on me when she is on stage.

But...following her little fit of drama, my strategy was to illustrate to her what she might be missing (losing), assuming that her motivations are "business" oreinted, so I immediately started to openly pay a lot of attention to other girlfriends that work in the club. I have bar fined another girl that works in the same club recently, once behind "angry girl's" back. But, "angry girl" doesn't know it because she was not working the night I bar fined "replacement girl."

So, during the course of the week, I have been showing "replacement girl" a lot of attention, doing privados with her, buying her a drink here and there, and making sure that "angry girl" is aware of it. I know "Angry Girl" is well aware of it because I sometimes catch her watching me out of the corner of her eye as I take other girls up for privados, buy them drinks, and when I am paying attention to them, hahahahaha!!!

I even notice angry girl walking past me as I am paying attention to other girls, obviously making sure I am aware that she is seeing me, her seeming to want me to notice she is there. I mean, she could walk around the place to avoid my seeing her as I am fraternizing with her competition, but when I am paying special attention to other girls, she has several times blatantly walked in front of me, given me a very quick glance, and walked past me to wherever bar girls go.

I have avoided bar fining another girl in front of "angry girl" because I don't want to do anything that drastic right now. But, if "angry girl" still has the same attitude on my next trip, I will pull out all the stops to illustrate my position more clearly.

Anyway, what is very interesting is that on one of the privado sessions with "replacement girl" she tells me that "angry girl" approached her for the express purpose of telling her that I pay to bar fine "angry girl" all the time.

What is interesting is that "angry girl" doesn't know, nor does she normally talk to, "replacement girl," apparently not ever. "Replacement Girl" has actually told me several weeks ago that she doesn't like "Angry Girl," and that "angry girl" is not a buen persona. It is interesting also that "angry girl" does not seem to have many girls that are her friends in the bar. She seems to have male waiters as friends, but the girls do not seem to like her, or feel one way or the other about her, with the exception of what "replacement girl" told me with respect to her opionion of "angry girl."

Anyway, I theorize that "angry girl" wants "replacement girl" to know one of three things:

1. That I am the property of "angry girl," simultaneously sending a hands off hint to "replacement girl," or
2. That I am available (free) to bar fine with "replacement girl" if she wants me and that "angry girl" is no longer interested, or
3. that "angry girl" wants to keep me from enjoying myself with another girl out of a vindictive attitude.

Carlos has told me he believes that "angry girl" is telling "replacment girl" this because she intends to come back to me, and she doesn't want me to find an alternate girl that I might like better. I hope his theory is correct. But, if angry girl jerks me around, even just a little bit on this next trip, I am going to assume it is over between us, and I am finding an alternate girl for fun and games. I spend a lot of money to visit Monterrey, and I'll be damned if I an going to have a bar girl ruin my fun.

I avoided bar fining girls from "angry girl's" club, just as a strategic decision on this trip only. I had bar fines (4) out of (6) nights during the rest of the week from other clubs, all of which were outstanding experiences. All but one of the girls that I bar fined from the other clubs were actually girls that are steady bar fines. But, instead of paying the salida, I was able to call them on the cell phone, and I had them come to the hotel for fun and games. That is, with the exception of one girl, and she is the subject of "Bar Girl Drama #2," and I did pay the salida in her case.

Member #3453

09-03-06, 15:25

It's simple...it is "Uno," as in a single (1), Spongebob, the cartoon character, only the Uno is the Spanish part.

I am actually under the name "Un"Spongebob on other sites, but we are one in the same, whom else could it be, right? Think of it like the "UnCola." Think of me as so suave and debonaire that I AM the "Unspongebob," hahahaha!!!.

I have considered changing the name, but I have so many reports archived under that name from the last several years that it's literally impossible to do so. It's like initially mistakenly selecting an email address that is too long or complicated, and then trying to change it later, after everybody already knows it and uses it.

Besides there is a true story behind the selection of that name, one of signficance to me that can not be directly relayed on the board. I will tell you about it, Wasted, when we meet in Monterrey again. I should be back in Monterrey on Sept. 30 for one week if your schedule permits.

unosbongbob(?) (change this name dude).
Wasted

Member #3453

09-03-06, 15:45

LK,

I sincerely agree with the economic assessment you're making. There are places that are definitely a better value than Monterrey. But, there is also a related cost to traveling too far, such as to Asia. The cost to me in time, and logistical inconvenience is not tenable. So, Monterrey is a nice alternative where time is of the essence.

The quality of the sessions I have been getting in Monterrey rivals anywhere I have been in the world, primarily because I have worked the Monterrey scene so extensively, and because most of my girlfriends are friends now, and they deliver like friends. Mexican bar girls take a lot of criticism, but my experience in Monterrey has their performance up there with all the rest of the supposedly better venues like Asia, etc...But, it has taken some work, and there are always girls out there that are duds, just like there are duds in Asia.

With respect to Costa Rica, the cost there for all nighters is around $200 for a strip club quality girl, been there and done that. It is a close destination, and relatively easy to get to. But, IMHO, the selection in San Jose does not come close to what is available in Monterrey. But, San Jose is the closest comparison to Monterrey. But, I remember being in San Jose and wishing I were in Monterrey. So, maybe there is something to be said for attitude of the talent, etc... not sure what it is, but I just know that when I was there I was almost wishing at times that I was in Monterrey. The cost of hotels is probably slightly higher than Monterrey, and the infrastructure in San Jose with respect to cell phone usage back to the US, etc...isn't too convenient yet.

Colombia is also a good close alternative, but the travel time required to Colombia is definitely more lengthy than to Monterrey due to the connection times, and because you usually have to fly into Bogata, or some other connecting destination, maybe into Miami first, etc...and then, because of the departure schedules, you have to spend the first night in Miami. So, getting to Colombia is a chore. I prefer to go over to San Jose, spend a few intial nights there, then continue on to Colombia. At least I don't have to spend my first night in Miami, or some other connecting city to coordinate with departure times for a direct flight to Colombia. As I have said many times before, I strongly prefer to spend my first night in San Jose rather than ANY US city. From the Midwest, we just have no good direct flights to make a trek to Colombia quickly without all the connections and complications from their departure times. The cost of Colombia for girls is, of course, much cheaper than Monterrey, and you can easily get all nighters as well. With respect to attitude, the girls have great attitudes in Colombia, and their performance is comparable to my best girls in Monterrey, maybe even slightly better on average. But, here is the big difference...because I frequent Monterrey I have some really close girlfriends now, girls that consider themselves to be friends, and girl who give to me like they are friends. It makes for a much more affectionate session, and a much less clinical situation. I am quickly developing the attitude that I like my regular flock of girls, and I am much more cautious about risking funds on new ones until I am pretty sure they will also be long term buddies. It makes things a lot more rewarding in the long run to have the time to cultivate these associations, rather than the relative infrequent and short time that one has in other destinations to cultivate honest affections, affections that translate directly to good GFEs.

Wasted,

Whinning is not what's happening. Its called not being stupid.

$900.00 ticket to the Philippines, $20.00 a night hotel and $20.00 for 24 hours with a lady in your hotel room.

$400.00 ticket to Costa Rica, $50.00 a night hotel and $50.00 for 2 hours with a chica in your hotel room.

$600.00 ticket to Honduras, $30.00 a night hotel and chica's are FREE in your hotel room, they ask just a tip.

$350.00 ticket to Cozumel, $50.00 a night hotel and 50.00 an hour for a chica in the club.

$500.00 ticket to Curacao, $75.00 a night hotel and $30.00 an hour for a chica at Campo Alegre.

$350.00 ticket to Jamaica, $50.00 a night hotel and $50.00 an hour for a lady in your hotel room, no chica's there.

I am not about to pay $600.00 to $800.00 for a ticket, $50.00 a night hotel and $135.00 for 2 hours with a chica in your hotel room. They are way better values in many many other places with the same quality.

I have been to them all, some of them 4 to 6 times over. Its a value thing, in mongering you go where you can get the best value. I have been to Monterrey 6 times in the past 1 1/2 years. When the value over rides what you pay for then it does not make much sence. I am not into lighting a match to $100.00 bills just to watch them burn. I have lived it up all over the world and will continue to do so as long as I get what I pay for. Thats my story and I am sticking to it.

LK

Member #3453

09-04-06, 20:20

Carlos,

Thanks for the update on "Angry, Vindictive, Bitchy, Mala Girl," hahaha. She is apparently taking yet another week off because the job is getting to be too much. Frankly, I believe that I was her diversion from the norm, IMHO.

But again, with respect to #2 and #3, she isn't charging me. I am insisting, with your advice and encouragement, on paying her. Furthermore, she IS pressing me to move to Monterrey. She does NOT want to live in the US. She has family in Monterrey, and wants the "security" scenario there. But, I don't really honestly believe her claims, and that's why I pressed her on them.

Frankly though, I do not think it is entirely the money. Money is always a factor, even in the most perfect of legitimate marriages. Perhaps it IS the CONTROL factor...I agree with you there.

But, with respect to money, she literally gave up at least two bar fines, a number of privados, drinks, dinners, etc...Her actions make no fianancial sense whatsoever. So, where is the financial benefit derived from her present behavior toward me? Remember, it is not about my seeing other girls, or a possessive issue. It is about a girl claiming that I offended her sensibilities and hurt her feelings over something I said. It has nothing to do with my actions with other girls.

Proof in Point with respect to her motivations over financial issues...At one point in time last month, the trip prior to this last one, I was testing her again. She actually declined what was my less than genuine offer to give her 3000 pesos to cover her car payment. I said it just to see what she would say, and she declined it. She refused to accept it!

You are right about something though...there is definitely something that smells rotten in her behaviors and in her attitudes. That is why I pressed her this last trip. I just can't totally understand her motivations. Her behaviors are not consistent with it being totally about the money, nor are her motivations characteristic of a real boyfriend/girlfriend situation either. That's why it is driving me nuts!

Perhaps it is so she can achieve an ego boost, feeling she is somehow superior to the other girls, claiming to me that she does not do anything in the privados, thereby feeling like a "regular" girl instead of a "worthless" bar girl who is passed around like a piece of meat, telling other girls how often I bar fine her to illustrate my preference for her over others, hoping for the prospect that I might actually move to Monterrey and save her from that gastly job of hers...I don't know what it is, but her motivations do not make sense to me with respect to finances only.

It does bother me not being able to understand her motivations. And, that is the only reason this scenario occupies my thoughts. It is like contemplating the cosmos...What is going on with this or that, and why? It's like a good Murder Mystery, or a UFO explanation...WTF is she doing???

Regarding "G," she will testify that I only gave her my delicious Cookies, and I did not lay hands, lips, or other stray appendages on her, hahaha!!! But, thank you for letting me "use" her to hopefully create jealousy with "angry girl." But, don't forget, "G" was my girl first, at least by several years prior to your stealing her away with your charms. I have cast her aside in deference and respectful reverence to the KING of Monterrey, never to touch her again...alas, wwwwwohhhh is me!!!

The outcome of this scenario will be interesting come the end of September. If it does not resolve itself by then however, I will have to see my exisiting flock only, and find other girls to enjoy. I don't want to do it, because for all her faults, I love "angry girl" the best of all. But, I also can't continue to waste my time on too much drama, drama that is only resulting in my own anguished contemplation of a scenario that doesn't make much sense, and seemingly has no satisfactory end to it.

Lion Killer

09-05-06, 22:32

How are you doing my friend. Eat any good goat lately, hehehe. I am trying to make one more trip to Monterrey this year. We can get together and have lunch with Carlos again.

I think you still owe me a couple of drinks from Infinito's. If I remember I bought the last round.

Tell Larry I said hello. Keep it light, its all in fun my friend.

LK

Member #3453

09-06-06, 03:34

Actually, Wastedgman's expenditures are about right for having a good time in Monterrey, and that's strictly for entertainment. I generally spend between $1000-$1200 on fun for 6 or 7 nights, and that would be with me bar fining one girl back to my hotel about 4 or 5 times during that period, plus drinks, privados, lunch buffets, flea market junk, DVD's, etc...all the fun inclusive. IMHO, I am relatively conservative in my expenditures now, after having visited the venue extensively, I don't quite find the need to cram quite as much into a trip. I have learned to take it easy, and pace myself. I find that to be much more enjoyable than to try to screw everything I see in as short a time as possible. Frankly, that strategy is exhausting to me.

Then, of course, there is the cost of airfare, around $457RT for me from the Midwest, and maybe around $350 for hotel and breakfasts, snacks, beverages (and I don't typically even drink alcohol unless I am in a business situation), ice, El Sol Newspaper, Taxis, World Gym Daily Visit, etc...Wasted is apparently fortune enough to have his clients picking up the tab for the travel costs, but his expenditures for "entertainment" do not shock me.

If you come to Monterrey, and if you want to live the good life, like what I know Wasted is used to experiencing, similar to my own typical experience actually, although mine is probably slightly more conservative, you will spend a bundle of dough. It does not surprise me that he is spending two grand on entertainment, especially if he is enjoying threesomes.

So, if you come to MTY, and you really are interested in enjoying yourself, and you do not want to be somewhat disappointed by the overall experience, you need to budget accordingly. However, if it's you're first visit, up to about your Sixth or Seventh visit, you will find that the novelty of the strip club experience will probably be sufficiently entertaining that you may not leap directly into paying for salidas. If you stick to in-club experiences, that will cost you significantly less than if you factor in the salidas (bar fines). Of course, if you choose to go to the massage parlors instead of bar fining, you can count on probably cutting your cost by at least half compared to paying for salidas, that is if you go to massage parlors only once a day.

The norm is I go hopme from a project. Instead, I go to MTY and client pays for my ticket. (free to me)

$50 hotel room when the staff greets me with a grin, worth it. Manager welcome me personally and offers anything I want.

I get up to 4 or 5 girls setting with me begging me to take them back. I pay bar fine for each, unless i meet them aftger hours.

The waiters fight over who will serv me,

20 girls at a night club and I'm the only guy with them,

Girs knocking at my door at 5.30 AM asking if I am busy.

Coffee with Carlos, lunch at a the vally, and othjer things I can not tell you about.

More andmore not even Carlos knows about. $2000 for the weekend is not even close to being expensive. The only painful part is leaving and planing thenext trip the second Iland back in the USA.

Besides, I have already established numerous relations with a ton of girls. When the hotest girls in the clubs fight over who will go home with me tonight and, having a big heart, among other thiongs, I end up taking a couple or more back or the price of 1.

For what I'm getting from MTY. I am not complaining. Easyt in and out for me. A few hour-flight and with buddies I enjoy their companies. Althoughtghey slow me down.

I even hooked up with a waitress at one of the non-chica bars and another non worker. tight as hell.

I beleove I have conquered MTY. I own Monterrey. Wait for the day I book the Prestige or the Obsession for the night just for me, Carlos, Mr."L" unosbongbob(?) (change this name dude).

I having the best time of my life. Feel guilty as hell. But the coffee is great.

No whinning, no comlains, I just can't get enough.

Someday I may accompany you on a tripo tot her places. I might like it as well, but I usually get the weekend off only.

Thank you for taking the time to read my post. Hope to see you soon.

Wasted

El Cabron 007

09-06-06, 18:24

LK,

I am fine. enjoying an entire week here. Hopefully my buddy, Mr. "L", now nicknamed "slow-me-down" is lading tonight. Carlos already planned first 2 nights for us, but I planned a heated Friday night that not even Carlos can participate in. Never in my wildest dreams had I ever expected me in such a place or company. Heck, I was even hitting on girls with their boyfriends. Me? What the hell. I landed a couple.

Let's plan the next trip together so next round of rinks is on me. After setting with 6 girls and Infinito last night, heck, I even had the waiter and the big security dude in charge of salidas setting with me.

I realized last night that I don't watch the stage performances any more. Too busy with the girls. I used to enjoy the show so much specially when the chicas shake their nalgas to the regeton tunes. Initially, when the customers reach out and grab the girls, it would anger me so much and I would walk out. Now i learn to look past that. But I like how half the girls in the line up are ones I know every single detail of their bodies. Every point of entry. I bathed every single one of them in my shower.

Still enjoy the food here. Carlos arranges great lunches every visit. Only gets better every time.

I'll let Larry know you said hello.

How are you doing my friend. Eat any good goat lately, hehehe. I am trying to make one more trip to Monterrey this year. We can get together and have lunch with Carlos again.

I think you still owe me a couple of drinks from Infinito's. If I remember I bought the last round.

Tell Larry I said hello. Keep it light, its all in fun my friend.

LK

Lion Killer

09-07-06, 00:33

I agree with you on the cost of visiting MTY, my only rebut was to enlighten the people here as to the major savings you can incurr around the world.

MTY is one of the most expensive mongering places. My intent was to let all mongers know that there are many countries allot less expensive with the same or better quality ladies available for a lesser cost.

As Tbird said in the Curacao board its just my dos pesos.

LK

Member #3453

09-07-06, 01:03

LK,

I agree with your assessment with respect to the cost of Monterrey compared to other parts of the World, with the exception of the USA, where my reality is most vivid and routinely depressing.

I must say, with respect to the quality of ladies, I find the ladies in Monterrey to be some of the best available, even when comparing what is available Worldwide. I have sometimes stood amongst the talent in other venues, and as an overall percentage of available talent, wished I was in Monterrey, even when in places that have significantly more reputation for HOT girls like Thailand or Manila.

Monterrey has a really unbelievable pool of talent, and when I say talent, I am talking about breathtakingly beautiful girls. But, that having been said, I love the Mexican/Latina look, as well as the Latina persona too. So, I am biased according to my own personal preferences.

Don't misunderstand, I love the Asia girls mucho. But frankly, if given the choice, I would prefer to take a GFE Mexicana bar fine every time, provided all other factor are even such as price, availability for long-time, etc...

If I were in Thailand, and could beam a HOT Mexican girl to my side for the same price, there would be NO CONTEST! That doesn't mean I wouldn't want the variety of different ethnic talents, because I most certainly would, and I do enjoy that diversity. But, if I had to choose between one or the other, the Mexican girl, one of flaca but "curvey" quality, with a cute Latina face, would undoubtedly be my preferred ethnic selection when comparing the two.

Mi tres centavos...

I agree with you on the cost of visiting MTY, my only rebut was to enlighten the people here as to the major savings you can incurr around the world.

MTY is one of the most expensive mongering places. My intent was to let all mongers know that there are many countries allot less expensive with the same or better quality ladies available for a lesser cost.

As Tbird said in the Curacao board its just my dos pesos.

Lion Killer

09-07-06, 01:16

Uno #1 Bob,

As i agree with you, my difference is the cost still (and which wasted is still trying to figure out, hehehe, he stubles over $100.00 bills giving it to the girls when he can have them for $20.00). While you pay $130.00 for a mear 2 hours. I get the same comfort for less than $50.00 for the same time frame in the places I have mentioned.

Uno, your a legend here and I do respect you.

LK

Lion Killer

09-07-06, 01:37

Uno #1 XXXXXX,

I know XXXXXX, aka wasted, we did lunch together with XXXXXX and XXXXXX. Maybe he does not remember me its ok.

XXXXXX, aka Wasted is a nice guy, he is just new to the open mongering situation, he does not go to upstairs or downs stairs to fuck the ladies, he is shy and only does take out.

Thats my story and again I am sticking to it, heheehhe.

LK

EDITOR's NOTE: This report was edited to remove real names in the text. Please do not post real names in the Forum. Thanks!

Member #3453

09-07-06, 05:59

LK,

Actually, 2 hours is not the norm for me these days in MTY. I am usually quite disappointed to only get 1.5-2 hours, but it does still happen occassionally. However, I usually get at least three to four hours with my girlfriends these days, and sometimes up to six hours.

But, you're right, you can't beat a $20 all night bar fine, no doubt. I agree that Wasted owes it to himself to experience the other venues you refer to, and I encourage all males to make a point of experiencing that at least once in their lifetime. But, if you do it once, you will have been bitten by the bug. Nobody can eat just one!!! So, I encourage all to beware when you open Pandora's Box, literally, hahaha!!!

There is some difficulty for some in finding the opportunity to monger so far away depending on one's employment and personal obligations. I think Wasted would love to experience all the world has to offer, but knowing his business and personal circumstances, I think he's limited in his opportunities, as is Carlos as well.

With respect to long-time, actually, for some reason, my soul still desires all nighters, but my intellectual preference has evolved lately so that I am usually glad when the girls finally leave after about 4-5 hours at most. It must be that I might be evolving into a short, long time mongerer. While my soul stilll seems to crave the security of the all nighter, I have noticed a change occurring in me lately where I am intellectually embracing the short, long-time experience.

In the past, I always wanted them to stay all night, and was very disappointed when they did not. But then, when I was in Thailand, Indo, the PI, etc...I must have gotten my fill of all nighters because my spirit seems quieter with respect to that need these days.

I think a constant regimen of that can literally wear you out over the course of several weeks. I recall being totally exhausted on some of my treks to Asia, and it was usually attributable to having "long time" so commonly available, cheap, and my fulfilling an aimless desire that the girls stay with me all night just on general principal.

For some reason, I have to consciously decide that I am only going to stay with them "short, long-time," or my unexplainable animalistic whims take over, and I will for some reason always try to bar fine them long time, every time.

Uno #1 Bob,

As i agree with you, my difference is the cost still (and which wasted is still trying to figure out, hehehe, he stubles over $100.00 bills giving it to the girls when he can have them for $20.00). While you pay $130.00 for a mear 2 hours. I get the same comfort for less than $50.00 for the same time frame in the places I have mentioned.

Uno, your a legend here and I do respect you.

LK

Hoe Hunter

09-07-06, 16:35

Hey!

This forum is intense and it provides excellent information for newbies like me.

I will be travelling to Monterrey next week.

I have read here, that most of the hotels are not guest friendly.

Could anyone let me know the hotels that are guest friendly.

I dont plan on spending more than $50 dollars a night on my hotel.

Also, what is a bar fine & salida?

I know no spanish. I only speak english and french. Will it be a problem visiting Monterrey?

Also what are other cheaper cities in mexico to find chicas? I believe $1350 pesos is a bit too expensive. I was looking @ around 700-800 pesos to take a girl back to my hotel.

Any information is appreciated.

I will read this forum in the days to come to extract all the information i can.

Thanks everyone!

Lion Killer

09-07-06, 22:25

Its not just Asia I was speaking of for cheap pussy. In Costa Rica (3 hours away) you can have 2 hours any time of the day or night in your hotel room for $50.00. No salida fine, no nothing. Just a hit the Hotel Del Rey, in San Jose. The bar at any given time has 100 to 150 women in it all for rent.

In Curacao (5 hours away), Campo Alegro, its $30.00 for 30 minutes and $50.00 for 1 - 2 hours, again no fine, no nothing, its the largest brothel in the Caribbean, sports about 150 women for rent, most from Columbia.

I agree with you about the quality of women in Monterrey, there are some pretty ladies there, but there is the same quality in the local area's (Caribbean) for lots cheaper.

I am myself a conisoure of the latina ladies, having two long relationships, one with a Puerto Rican and another with a Tex Mex.

I really don't want them hanging around for 4 hours, I can't fuck that long and my spanish is not that great, hahaahha. So 2 hours is tops for me.

Hope to meet up with you one day and tell war stories, first drinks on me.

LK

Lion Killer

09-08-06, 00:11

I am going to let Uno #1 Bob and Carlos give you the details. I can comment on a couple of your questions.

There are plenty of guest friendly hotels, near the action. You can get them for around $50.00 a night. Carlos can send you a map of these.

Uno #1 Bob is the King of Bar Fines and Salida's I will let him comment on that.

Its going to be very hard if you do not speak any spanish, there are not many english speaking persona in the hood, from the taxi drivers to the resturaunts, to the hotel check in staff. Bring a spanish/english dictionary and be patient, but its gonna be hard.

You can get get some for $70.00 to $80.00 but you have to be a regular and know spanish to cut the deal. Thats only after their shift, whene you do not have to pay a bar, salida fine.

Really not knowing even a little spanish is going to hamper you where ever you go in Mexico, even Tijuana.

Good luck, Carlos and Uno #1 Bob will also chime in.

LK

Hoe Hunter

09-08-06, 01:46

Thanks for the prompt reply bud!

I will print out the few basic words that i need to communicate. I just read them on this forum. Hopefully that will make things a bit easier.

It would be great if Carlos or Unspongebob could give me their precious maps, so that i could get around in Monterrey. This is the first time Iam travelling to Mexico. I have travelled all over Europe, and could do with my english linguistic skills.

Anyhow, I believe I have listed some of the SC's that i should pay a visit to.
Will visit some MPs too if time permits.

The only problem now is a cheap hotel. I would rather live in a cheaper hotel, and spend my money on entertainment.

Anyhow, Thanks once again!

I am going to let Uno #1 Bob and Carlos give you the details. I can comment on a couple of your questions.

There are plenty of guest friendly hotels, near the action. You can get them for around $50.00 a night. Carlos can send you a map of these.

Uno #1 Bob is the King of Bar Fines and Salida's I will let him comment on that.

Its going to be very hard if you do not speak any spanish, there are not many english speaking persona in the hood, from the taxi drivers to the resturaunts, to the hotel check in staff. Bring a spanish/english dictionary and be patient, but its gonna be hard.

You can get get some for $70.00 to $80.00 but you have to be a regular and know spanish to cut the deal. Thats only after their shift, whene you do not have to pay a bar, salida fine.

Really not knowing even a little spanish is going to hamper you where ever you go in Mexico, even Tijuana.

Good luck, Carlos and Uno #1 Bob will also chime in.

LK

Lion Killer

09-08-06, 02:29

In having two relationships lasting over 14 years with the Hispanic/Latino culture, I can say I am not a professor in the ways of the spanish women, but I can say after all the years of living/married/being with the above, i am some what of a scholar in the subject.

Carlos, being from there know best of us all. Knowing the crazy/weird/loca/jealous/insisitive/burntout/moneyhungry/couldcareless/lying/deceiving/justdownrightnutty/ ways of the bar girls.

Confucious said thousands of years ago: You can take the girl out of the bar, but you can never take the bar out of the girl.

LK

Member #3453

09-08-06, 04:06

First, you will not be able to find girls to take back to your hotel with you for 800 pesos. Not unless you are at least passable in your ability to speak spanish, and certainly not on salida from the strip clubs.

A salida is a fine paid to the bar where the bar permits you to take a girl of theirs away from her normal job for 1.5 hours. The average salida costs 350 pesos at Matehuela, Givenchy, Infinito, and El Cielo, the four most economonical of all the bars in town for salidas, provided you also want to pay the salida for a HOT girl, and not some old haggy bar fly. But, remember, the girl also gets a fee for going with you. You have to pay her for her time, and most of the girls want at least 1000 pesos for 1.5 hours. If you are new to Monterrey, and you meet them for the first time, many of them will simply not agree to go with you because they don't know you, and they think it is dangerous. Only after you know them a while, and they trust you, are you going to be able to get them to agree to go on salida with you. The term bar fine, is the same as the term salida, but sometimes people include the amount paid to the girl when using the term loosely. So, basically, the cost to bar fine a girl for 1.5 hours from one of those four strip clubs will usually be at least $1350 pesos. You will not get it for less being new to Monterrey, and you will be lucky to get it at all in the form of a salida or bar fine where can bring them back to your hotel.

Keep in mind that Monterrey is not really a place that is set up for mongering. It is really not like the other mongering destinations of the World, and it takes significant experience to get the blissful nights that some of us report here.

If you come to Monterrey, I strongly urge you to modify your expectations or you will undoubtedly be disappointed and frustrated. I would advise you to come to Monterrey with the Carlos maps in hand, and hold onto those maps for dear life. You will be lost without them. Since you don't know any Spanish, you are going to find Monterrey to be very inhospitable. It is nothing like Europe where many people know at least some English. English is taught in school to the younger generation, but you are going to be dealing with the working class, a type of people that are not particularly studias, and a category of people that probably did not study their English when they were in school, provided they spent much time in school to begin with. You will find yourself to be very much on edge in Monterrey having no Spanish speaking skills.

With respect to hotels, those of us that frequent Monterrey have our favorite places, and we don't move around to many different hotels to test whether they are girl friendly or not. However, I can recommend the Hotel Plaza Del Arco, located downtown, at ground zero, in a location that is relatively close to all the strip clubs, and it will run you around 580 pesos per night, a little under $58US per night. They ARE girl friendly, should you get wildly lucky and able to bar fine a girl from one of the clubs.

But, I would recommend instead, that you confine your activities to services offered on premises in the clubs, rather than trying to bar fine a girl. You will otherwise be expending a significant amount of energy to try to bar fine a girl, when the likelihood of that happening is pretty remote. Mexican bar girls are famous for promising the moon, as you buy them drink after drink, private dance after private dance, only to discover after you have blown 500 pesos, that they are not going to show up, or they've been stalling you to the point of complete frustration, only to bleed you of as much money as possible on the promise of going with you, or meeting you on the side.

You will be able to partake in on-site club activities within your budgeted amount, 200 pesos for a BJ, 400 pesos for FS. But, keep in mind, it's going to be in a much more uncomfortable environment than you would otherwise have if you had the girls in your hotel room because the private dance cubicles are very plain and uncomfortable, having only straight back chairs. So, it's kind of like doing it in an alley. Plus, you will also be paying 50 pesos for each 4n minute song played in the private dance, the privados, until you are finished with whatever act you choose. If you go to the better massage places, you might be able to also meet your budgeted amount for sexo. The better places will charge you around 800 pesos, but you will have to be a skilled negotiator to get what you are going to be paying for. So, without the skills to communicate, you should prepare yourself for being scammed a little bit in the process. You can get service from the medium level massage parlors for around 450 pesos, under $45US, but the quality of the girls will not be quite to the standard of beauty you could be having if you partake of the on site servies offered by the strip clubs. Based on your budget, I recommend you visit the clubs, have a few privados just to get a feel for the experience, and spend your money on medium level massage parlors. Otherwise, I think you will go over budget on entertainment. Watch in the those clubs when going to the privados because you can rack up a sizeable bill if you stay in them for any length of time. Every 4 minutes will cost you another 50 pesos, under $5US, but that can accumulate fast, especially if the girl is skilled at holding your interest.

Hopefully, Carlos will chime in too to give you more guidance. I am tied up in meetings out of town right now, and may have an occassional opportunity to comment further, but I will have limited opportunities to do so until about Tuesday of next week. Stay tuned...I hope I will be able to comment further but I can't promise it for sure. Bottom line...get Carlos' maps!

Hey!

This forum is intense and it provides excellent information for newbies like me.

I will be travelling to Monterrey next week.

I have read here, that most of the hotels are not guest friendly.

Could anyone let me know the hotels that are guest friendly.

I dont plan on spending more than $50 dollars a night on my hotel.

Also, what is a bar fine & salida?

I know no spanish. I only speak english and french. Will it be a problem visiting Monterrey?

Also what are other cheaper cities in mexico to find chicas? I believe $1350 pesos is a bit too expensive. I was looking @ around 700-800 pesos to take a girl back to my hotel.

Any information is appreciated.

I will read this forum in the days to come to extract all the information i can.

Thanks everyone!

Hoe Hunter

09-08-06, 19:57

Yupp!

I have listed the SC/MP's that I would like to visit in my short stay there. I think I will only stick to the scene happening on sites, rather than taking the girl back to my hotel.

I will try and learn some basic spanish words in the few days to come.

Now only one thing is required, that is the maps from Carlos. Hopefully I should have them before I leave for Monterrey.

Since I will be there for 7 days, is there any other place in mexico that is worth visiting? All Iam looking for is pure entertainment:).

Also, Carlos, if you read this, it would be great if you could share your maps with me. Would really appreciate that.

Thanks for the help guys!

First, you will not be able to find girls to take back to your hotel with you for 800 pesos. Not unless you are at least passable in your ability to speak spanish, and certainly not on salida from the strip clubs.

A salida is a fine paid to the bar where the bar permits you to take a girl of theirs away from her normal job for 1.5 hours. The average salida costs 350 pesos at Matehuela, Givenchy, Infinito, and El Cielo, the four most economonical of all the bars in town for salidas, provided you also want to pay the salida for a HOT girl, and not some old haggy bar fly. But, remember, the girl also gets a fee for going with you. You have to pay her for her time, and most of the girls want at least 1000 pesos for 1.5 hours. If you are new to Monterrey, and you meet them for the first time, many of them will simply not agree to go with you because they don't know you, and they think it is dangerous. Only after you know them a while, and they trust you, are you going to be able to get them to agree to go on salida with you. The term bar fine, is the same as the term salida, but sometimes people include the amount paid to the girl when using the term loosely. So, basically, the cost to bar fine a girl for 1.5 hours from one of those four strip clubs will usually be at least $1350 pesos. You will not get it for less being new to Monterrey, and you will be lucky to get it at all in the form of a salida or bar fine where can bring them back to your hotel.

Keep in mind that Monterrey is not really a place that is set up for mongering. It is really not like the other mongering destinations of the World, and it takes significant experience to get the blissful nights that some of us report here.

If you come to Monterrey, I strongly urge you to modify your expectations or you will undoubtedly be disappointed and frustrated. I would advise you to come to Monterrey with the Carlos maps in hand, and hold onto those maps for dear life. You will be lost without them. Since you don't know any Spanish, you are going to find Monterrey to be very inhospitable. It is nothing like Europe where many people know at least some English. English is taught in school to the younger generation, but you are going to be dealing with the working class, a type of people that are not particularly studias, and a category of people that probably did not study their English when they were in school, provided they spent much time in school to begin with. You will find yourself to be very much on edge in Monterrey having no Spanish speaking skills.

With respect to hotels, those of us that frequent Monterrey have our favorite places, and we don't move around to many different hotels to test whether they are girl friendly or not. However, I can recommend the Hotel Plaza Del Arco, located downtown, at ground zero, in a location that is relatively close to all the strip clubs, and it will run you around 580 pesos per night, a little under $58US per night. They ARE girl friendly, should you get wildly lucky and able to bar fine a girl from one of the clubs.

But, I would recommend instead, that you confine your activities to services offered on premises in the clubs, rather than trying to bar fine a girl. You will otherwise be expending a significant amount of energy to try to bar fine a girl, when the likelihood of that happening is pretty remote. Mexican bar girls are famous for promising the moon, as you buy them drink after drink, private dance after private dance, only to discover after you have blown 500 pesos, that they are not going to show up, or they've been stalling you to the point of complete frustration, only to bleed you of as much money as possible on the promise of going with you, or meeting you on the side.

You will be able to partake in on-site club activities within your budgeted amount, 200 pesos for a BJ, 400 pesos for FS. But, keep in mind, it's going to be in a much more uncomfortable environment than you would otherwise have if you had the girls in your hotel room because the private dance cubicles are very plain and uncomfortable, having only straight back chairs. So, it's kind of like doing it in an alley. Plus, you will also be paying 50 pesos for each 4n minute song played in the private dance, the privados, until you are finished with whatever act you choose. If you go to the better massage places, you might be able to also meet your budgeted amount for sexo. The better places will charge you around 800 pesos, but you will have to be a skilled negotiator to get what you are going to be paying for. So, without the skills to communicate, you should prepare yourself for being scammed a little bit in the process. You can get service from the medium level massage parlors for around 450 pesos, under $45US, but the quality of the girls will not be quite to the standard of beauty you could be having if you partake of the on site servies offered by the strip clubs. Based on your budget, I recommend you visit the clubs, have a few privados just to get a feel for the experience, and spend your money on medium level massage parlors. Otherwise, I think you will go over budget on entertainment. Watch in the those clubs when going to the privados because you can rack up a sizeable bill if you stay in them for any length of time. Every 4 minutes will cost you another 50 pesos, under $5US, but that can accumulate fast, especially if the girl is skilled at holding your interest.

Hopefully, Carlos will chime in too to give you more guidance. I am tied up in meetings out of town right now, and may have an occassional opportunity to comment further, but I will have limited opportunities to do so until about Tuesday of next week. Stay tuned...I hope I will be able to comment further but I can't promise it for sure. Bottom line...get Carlos' maps!

Lion Killer

09-09-06, 00:34

I cannot stress as Uno #1 Bob has agreed the need to know spanish. You cannot just jot down a few words from the board and think its gonna be ok. What we are telling you is that 98% of the people in the area you are going do not speak english at all, not one word.

From the time you get off the plane, have to rent a cab, try and tell them where you want to go, they will not understand you. The people at the hotel where you check in will ask you every thing in spanish, when you talk back in english they will just give you the deer in the head light look.

As Uno #1 Bob says keep Carlo's maps dear to your heart, maybe he will even meet you there. Stay at the Hotel Plaza Del Arco, go to the local Strip Clubs, Matehuela's, Infinito's, Givenchy's & El Cielo's. They are all within walking distance (4 to 6 blocks from the hotel), as are the massage parlours.

Do a dry run during the day giving urself time to know your way around, its safe at night but do not get off the beaten path, stay on the main roads if you are walking. If we can help more let us know, Carlos is your Guardian Angel in MTY. Good luck.

LK

Hoe Hunter

09-09-06, 20:35

Indeed, Spanish is the key to being in Monterrey. Despite of not knowing the language, I still think I will jump into Monterrey and see what it has in store for me. Hopefully, it will not be all that bad.

The only thing that I probably need now is the maps from Carlos.

Carlos, I will really appreciate it if you could forward the maps to me via email, or by any other means suitable to you.

I believe that listing my email here is against the rules, so please let me know if there are any other means I could get them off you.

Really appreciate everyones help here. You guys have been great!!

Muchas Gracias :)

Adios!

I cannot stress as Uno #1 Bob has agreed the need to know spanish. You cannot just jot down a few words from the board and think its gonna be ok. What we are telling you is that 98% of the people in the area you are going do not speak english at all, not one word.

From the time you get off the plane, have to rent a cab, try and tell them where you want to go, they will not understand you. The people at the hotel where you check in will ask you every thing in spanish, when you talk back in english they will just give you the deer in the head light look.

As Uno #1 Bob says keep Carlo's maps dear to your heart, maybe he will even meet you there. Stay at the Hotel Plaza Del Arco, go to the local Strip Clubs, Matehuela's, Infinito's, Givenchy's & El Cielo's. They are all within walking distance (4 to 6 blocks from the hotel), as are the massage parlours.

Do a dry run during the day giving urself time to know your way around, its safe at night but do not get off the beaten path, stay on the main roads if you are walking. If we can help more let us know, Carlos is your Guardian Angel in MTY. Good luck.

LK

Hookitup265

09-09-06, 23:08

Can someone help me with a map for the area. I just arrived and can't register for full membership. send me at [Email address deleted by Admin]. I hope someone can help only here two days.

EDITOR's NOTE: This report was edited to remove email addresses in the text. Please do not post email addresses in the Forum. Instead, please invite other Forum Members to contact you directly via the Forum's Private Messaging system. Thanks!

MonterreyDude

09-10-06, 18:53

Yes, I cant post my "you know what" here.
Come on guys... it's so easy to register and the benefits outweigh the cost!!!
PM messaging is a great help.....
Let me tell you that my handle is, and pay attention: amigomio60
domain is the "hot" one.
My other one is the "g" from ggle.
Get it?
It is Sunday, so I'll be out for lunch, but contact me and I'll send you my maps.

Can someone help me with a map for the area. I just arrived and can't register for full membership. send me at [Email address deleted by Admin]. I hope someone can help only here two days.

EDITOR's NOTE: This report was edited to remove email addresses in the text. Please do not post email addresses in the Forum. Instead, please invite other Forum Members to contact you directly via the Forum's Private Messaging system. Thanks!

MonterreyDude

09-14-06, 06:58

Oh well... there goes the Forum.
After years of helping Americans coming down here to Monterrey, I guess it comes down to a "No Crosstalk Rule".
Jackson, if you are reading this, I thought your forum was born as a help aid to mongers.
Yes, not only reports, but help.
And help I have been doing to all the guys coming down to my city.
I started posting here 264 posts ago cause I was fed up in the way local businesses got their way around Americans.
And I was a witness to that.
Guys that were extorted, overpriced, tricked, conned...
Not a single guy that has been to Monterrey has been subjected to that after this branch of the ISG expanded the way it expanded with all the exchange of info going on here.
Well Jackson, it is your Forum, and I will accept your rules.

Yes, I cant post my "you know what" here.
Come on guys... it's so easy to register and the benefits outweigh the cost!!!
PM messaging is a great help.....
Let me tell you that my handle is, and pay attention: amigomio60
domain is the "hot" one.
My other one is the "g" from ggle.
Get it?
It is Sunday, so I'll be out for lunch, but contact me and I'll send you my maps.

MonterreyDude

09-14-06, 07:01

Anyone coming down to Monterrey, PM.
I'll be glad to help you out.

Member #3453

09-14-06, 14:17

Carlos is right...

Jackson, what gives with the no email rule? I see little reason to restrict that option other than to make the forum more difficult to get any use out of it.

Already, I am noticing a significantly reduced number of posts here. I don't know if that's true across all categories, but it is certainly true of the Monterrey forum. Maybe the reduced activity is a direct result of tightening things up so we can't converse between ourselves. If this continues, mongers are going to begin to wonder why they would need ISG to help them out when there are many other sites they can gravitate to that offer the free exchange of information.

Is there a good reason why we can not willingly provide email contacts to others so information can be exchanged that would otherwise clog the forum with meanignless information that is specific to a particular monger's requests of us?

I realize that private messaging can be accessed by going to our personal profile page, but it might be better to also have our email addresses listed in the personal profile page so we can upload information like maps, etc...things like that which others specifically request from us without clogging the forum.

You could still restrict the publication of emails within the forum, but at least mongers would have a resource within our personal profile page to contact us privately about things they do not choose to post in the forum, things that are usually of no value to the forum anyway, jabber that clogs the pages of the forum otherwise. Plus, there are times when I need to communicate directly with someone with my true name, a girl's actual name or stage name, a girl's phone number, etc...things that I don't particularly want broadcast over the forum for all to see, things that are confidential in nature, and specific to a particular circumstance. For that kind of communication, I need to have access to email addresses.

Oh well... there goes the Forum.
After years of helping Americans coming down here to Monterrey, I guess it comes down to a "No Crosstalk Rule".
Jackson, if you are reading this, I thought your forum was born as a help aid to mongers.
Yes, not only reports, but help.
And help I have been doing to all the guys coming down to my city.
I started posting here 264 posts ago cause I was fed up in the way local businesses got their way around Americans.
And I was a witness to that.
Guys that were extorted, overpriced, tricked, conned...
Not a single guy that has been to Monterrey has been subjected to that after this branch of the ISG expanded the way it expanded with all the exchange of info going on here.
Well Jackson, it is your Forum, and I will accept your rules.

El Cabron 007

09-15-06, 01:52

Sorry guys. I find this funny. I am kinda selfish. The less people know about MTY, the better. More meat for me.

I do not want to argue with Jackson. I don't know Jackson. But ... It's my party and I'll cry if I want to .. no, I am not on drugs. I am on whatever Carlos is on. last time i checked, he was high on stress, so he says.

I managed once again to have a wonderful time last week along with Mr. "L" (slow me down) (she looks better in the light). I ended up kicking (with my leg) one 18 yo hot hot tease away with the support of 5 other chicas setting with me and 2 waitresses only to make up with her the 2nd day and give her as a gift to Mr. "L" the 3rd night. What a girl. Mr. "L", with the tease on top of him, said "I can't believe I am **cking this 18 yo kid. There is no way she is 18. I checked, she was 2 months over 18. and as hot as can be.

Good luck all

Wasted.

Carlos is right...

Jackson, what gives with the no email rule? I see little reason to restrict that option other than to make the forum more difficult to get any use out of it.

Lion Killer

09-15-06, 01:55

Thank you Carlos and Uno #1 Bob. I totally agree with Mongers being able to trade emails. I do agree with Jackson in not promoting businesses, or other sites, but I agree us Mongers should have the opportunity to comunicate with each other. Just my 2 cents. Thanks guys.

LK

Member #3453

09-16-06, 16:51

I feel the same way...wanting to keep the Gringos out of Monterrey. Fortunately, when I report on the difficulty and expense associated with traveling to Monterrey, it probably discourages some guys from taking the plunge.

And, unfortuanately for many, from an ease of use and monetary point of view, Monterrey is sometimes as difficult to navigate successfully as I have reported. So, while my reports sometimes gratify my desire to keep Gringos out of Monterrey, my reports are still, in fact, accurate and true.

If you don't live there, have a guide like Carlos Perez at your side, or have at least $1500 to spend on regularly exploring Monterrey about once a month, spending that amount of money each time, you'll undoubtedly find it frustrating if you have mongering experience in other venues.

Those that haven't had much mongering experience except in the States will find it very frustrating indeed. So, those who choose to come down from close venues like Texas might be able to travel for less, maybe spend three or four days instead of a full week like I do, spending proportionally less in the long run. But, in order to prevail, they will have do it with regular frequency to reach a level of satisfaction where disappointment is not the norm...either that, or spend money like water. Either way will work in reaching a hightened level of satsifaction.

Conversely, if you have the money, visit often, establish your credibility with the girls, and are prepared to work a plan, it can be as satisfying as other venues, but at an admitedly inflated price with respect to actual cost of bar fines, etc...Plus, there really is NO "LONG TIME" available there per se. If you're lucky, from a regular (trustee) girlfriend, you might get 4-6 hours, but usually no more time than that for what they would otherwise provide at 1.5 hours only.

From my perspective, the massage scene would not generally be something I would find satisfying after engaging in so many actual bar fines. But, from an ease of use, and a purely monetary perspective, it's probably the best option, albeit at a reduced level of quality compared to girls from the strip clubs.

Sorry guys. I find this funny. I am kinda selfish. The less people know about MTY, the better. More meat for me.
Wasted.

Lion Killer

09-16-06, 22:40

Uno #1 Bob,

Very well spoken, I just wish I understand what you said. Hehehehhee.

LK

Member #3453

09-17-06, 04:45

Translation...

1. Monterrey is Expensive.
2. Expect some disappointment as a Newbie.
3. Some Strippers are Gorgeous.
4. Massage girls are second string.
5. No Long Time easily available.
6. Short time is only 1.5 hours, and expensive.
7. I am selfish and want all the girls to myself.
8. Carlos is the bomb!
9. Regular success requires multiple visits.
10. Find regular girlfriends and you will get Long Time pleasure but less variety.

Uno #1 Bob,

Very well spoken, I just wish I understand what you said. Hehehehhee.

LK

Member #3453

09-17-06, 05:27

Here is my report on "drama girl" scenario #2 from a couple of weeks ago in Monterrey...This is the one I've been holding back, the one that will hold everyone over until I return to Monterrey at the end of September. The story will illustrate the complicated web that is the bar scene in Monterrey.

I was at a particular club with a new girl, sitting drinking my Coke Lite, and having a wonderful time. But, I noticed when looking into the eyes of drama girl #2, that she was tearing up, and emotionally upset about something. I was hoping that I did not have onion breath, or that my deodorant was somehow failing, or that perhaps I was boring her to tears, hahahaha!!!

What impressed me about this particular girl was her ability to be sad on the inside, and outwardly smiling and affectionate toward me so much at the same time. It was like she was happy at the prospect of being with me, and trying hard to be charming, happy, etc...She later told me that she really liked me very much, and that I was taking her mind off her problem, but that her problem always kept creeping back into her head, causing her to have some tearing.

The tearing wasn't really so obvious either. It is only when she apologized for it, that I began to notice it. She would otherwise wipe the tears away quickly, and if you didn't know she was distressed inside, you would have never really noticed that something was upsetting her. It is only when I told her that I was going to have to leave soon that the tears began to flow so noticeably.

I know many of you will think she was merely playing me for a "dumb ass gringo," and that, I admit, would otherwise be a very real possibility with some of the girls in Monterrey. But, I did not read this girl that way. Carlos was also there, and he also talked to her to determine whether she was interested in bar fining with me that night, helping me with logistical translation, etc...

Carlos knows this girl quite well. She is actually one of his sacred flock of girlfriends, but he was interested in another "new girl" at the club, and he let her sit with me so he could pursue another girl. I must admit that his new girl is quite interesting as well, hahahahahaha!!! But, in his haste to make a new conquest, he did not realize that by allowing her to sit with me, unsupervised, is a very dangerous error in judgement. The Spongebob will soak her up!!!! hahaha!!!

But, with respect to this girl's demeanor, Carlos will undoubtedly testify that this would not be this girl's method of operation, crying for effect to play me for a fool. But, he warned me that doing a session with her at this time, because she was in that state of mind, might not be a good idea. So, he believed her displays of emotion were valid, and not something she was producing to get drinks, or that her display was an insincere pandering to my ego by her insincerely saying that I was comforting her in her time of need, etc...

But, my fondness for the girl convinced me to go with her then, and not wait until later. I realized that I was taking a risk because of her current state of mind. I realized that she was crying on and off, and that she was very sad about something that was also bothering her while she was with me.

When I told her that Carlos and I would probably be leaving soon, she became even more emotional, and began crying even more. She told me she was really sad about something, and she really wanted me to stay with her. She said she really liked me, and that I was helping her to feel better by being there. She said she needed to spend the night with a "nice guy."

Who me???? hahahaha!!!

So, when I asked about the particulars of bar fining her, she agreed to go, but she was sincerely worried that she might be too sad with me, and that I would have a poor experience with her. I told her I would go with her, and that she did not have to do anything with me, but that I would stay with her all night so she could talk to me. She told me she wanted to tell me her problems, and that she needed me. So, I agreed to pay the bar fine because I wanted to console her more, and help her out...no, really, I know that sound like a load of crap...but, yeah, really!

I realized that she might be a bad bar fine, but I also realized that she needed someone to talk to. I also thought that sometimes when a girl is emotionallly consoled, and a real affection develops. I theorized that a bar fine could go either way, but I was hoping it would turn intensely passionate for the girl, if by consoling her, she starts to really like me.

So, I decided to risk it. I wasn't bar fining her with any insincerity, but just decided to let things evolve. It was an interesting prospect, one that I found intriguing. I had concluded that if I was not to get any sex from her that night, that I liked her sufficiently to cultivate the relationship. So, I decided to make the investment.

As I have aluded to numerous times in my reports, Monterrey can be very expensive if you do things up right. Part of doing things up right is to cultivate the relationships you have with them so as to establish a reliable stable of girls, so as not to have too many disappointments. But, DAMN!, it can get expensive doing it that way. But, what the hell, it's cheaper than anything you might find in the USA, and the quality of the girls, and their respective experiences, are usually consistently outstanding for me in Monterrey these days, even compared to what is available worldwide in some of the other more notorious venues like Thailand, the PI, etc...

I knew that I may not be able to do anything with her because she was worried about her problems, and I promised her she could just talk to me and that I would listen, and that she could just lay with me for comfort. And, I would have done that, and I initially did just lie in bed with her, listen to music on my laptop, talk to her in my "baby spanish," and console her. But, as our time together increased, nature took over, and as her affections grew, she seemed to want to have sex. Yeah, me too, but it was the signals she gave me that pushed the session to the next level.

In the end, she was probably one of the best girlfriends I have ever taken back to my hotel. The sex was incredible. She told me it was the first time she had three orgasms all in one session, hahahaha!!! Perhaps a blatant lie to stroke my ego, who knows...hahahaha!!! I like the lies...keep them cummmmmming, hahaha!!!

Anyway, seriously, she seemed impressed with our time together, and there was a seemingly natural chemistry between us. So, now we are pretty close amigos. This is just the way I like it to work. Now I have another girlfriend I can call, she will come to see me without the salida, and she will probably stay close to short "Long Time." That is what I mean by working your plan in Monterrey. It takes the investment of time, money, and patience.

She stayed with me until 7am, and we were both so tired from being up all night together, that she went back home to her apartment so she could get some sleep around 7am. I needed to get some sleep too because I had to catch the bus early that same morning. I only slept about an hour and a half before leaving to catch a bus back to Nuevo Laredo, and subsequently a taxi back to the Laredo airport, and then on to the Midwest via American Airlines. So, I had a long day ahead of me, and very little sleep to draw upon.

It was such a great GFE, and seemingly sincere on her part. We both became so tired that as we were lying together, we would start to fall asleep looking at each other, and then every 30 seconds or so, we would both open our eyes, looking into each other's eyes for effect, and then she would smile really big, and give me a kiss or hug me tight...it was like we were two love birds. I have never been with a girl that, especially in the midst of personal tragedy, showed me so much seemingly genuine affection.

Prior to actually going to my hotel that night, after we left the club to go the hotel, she asked if we could stop by her apartment so she could change clothes. So, the taxi took us to her apartment where she changed clothes, which only took about 5 minutes away. I just waited in the taxi for her. Her apartment is only a couple of blocks North of the club, so she lives really close. It would be very convenient to see her outside the club because she lives so relatively close to El Centro. Most of the girls live pretty far from downtown Monterrey, usually in San Nicholas or Guadelupe, both of them at least a half hour or forty five minutes, sometimes as much as an hour away from downtown Monterrey.

When we first arrived at the room, she stripped down into her underwear, got under the covers, and I layed down next to her. The first thing she did was to tell me her secret problem, one that I swore I would not tell anyone else. I know she does not want anyone to know. Since I am protecting her identity here, within this post, I don't feel that I am necessarily betraying her trust. Carlos is aware of her circumstances, so posting this here in the forum does not, IMHO, betray her trust.

Anyway, she pulled the cover down to expose her abdomen, and rubbed her hand over her womb. I will let you draw your own conclusions, but on that following Saturday she told me the source of her problem would no longer exist.

She does not have a boyfriend, but made an error in judgement with one of the waiters in the club. Disclosing her problem to me, or any talk of it only lasted a few minutes. It was not like she was using up the session to unload all her problems on me. Quite the contrary. She took about two minutes to explain her circumstances, and the rest of the night was bliss.

The waiter friend is not her novio, but apparently a "friend" only. But, she says he's a nice guy. I don't think he even knows about the situation, and she does not want to keep the baby because their time together was just a romp between friends that like each other. Who knows...maybe he is married.

It's like Carlos has told me a million times. These girls have waiters they like to screw that are working in the clubs. I think that is why many of the girls do not really feel that they need boyfriends. They can get sex anytime they want it, and they get love from their babies. And, of course, why do you think those clubs have soooooo many waiters walking around working in them?

So, the source of her being sad was because of her circumstances. But, I am glad I made her forget her problems, if only temporarily. She was really sincere in thanking me for consoling her, and she seemed so happy when she was with me...absolutely no tears or indication whatsoever that she was distressed, not the entire night. She just kept telling me "Thank You!" and then she would kiss me, and hug me...she did that all night. I guess I should have asked her for a propina, hahaha!!!

I really like her and I hope I can see her again. I would like to see her without paying the salida. The total cost was around 1700 pesos, 750 pesos for the bar fine, and 1000 pesos for her time, which is too expensive for me overall. But, she was really a great companion, and the session was one of those that was memorable, and comparatively worth the salida amount in session quality. It's just that I have to conserve my money, and 1700 peso bar fines get pricey.

We had been listening to music on my laptop all night, and she seemed to really enjoy it. So, I made her a CD of the music we had been listening to as a parting gift. The music we listened to was from my list of favorite selections, the Eagles, Poco, the Stones, stuff from my "old dude" generational bygone era, but outstanding music none-the-less, IMHO.

And, of course, certainly, I've found that on average, most 24 year old girls from East Central Mexico have never been exposed to 70's Country/Rock music like the Eagles. it seemed to sooth her soul, and the melodies seemed to console her. She visibly seemed to enjoy the music a lot. It is a different kind of "gringo music" forher to be listening to, but it was seemingly very effective, especially in her present state of mind. She seemed to genuinely appreciate the music, which I think helped as a catalyst to the overall ambiance of our moments together.

Of course, I gave her some of my homemade cookies to go, a small box of chocolate candy. I also gave her a hand made beaded bracelet that I had lying around. I like to make jewelry as a hobby, and it just so happened that I had made this bracelet that day out of glass beads. The bracelets have a very pretty and unique serpentine design, and a very glittery. luminecent appearance, not something you can buy in a store. I sometimes make them when I have nothing to do during the day when in Monterrey, and they are a relatively cheap regalo for the girls, one they seemingly like pretty much, and they only take about an hour to complete. I had just finished it that day, so it was just lying on the desk in the room, so I gave it to her.

She told me she does not have any girlfriends in Monterrey, and/or any friends other than some nice clients that she sees at work, and that she is lonely for a friend, apparently one she can rely on. Her family is several hundred miles away, at least 6-8 hours by bus I believe. So, she is a girl alone in the big city. Obviously, she has a waiter friend, so she must have forgotten to include him in the list. But, perhaps he is merely for her sexual gratification and not necessarily a friend for her to rely on.

But, after several hours with me, she just kept telling me I was her "friend," her "real friend." And, while I am cautious about actually believing their words, I think in this instance, and in those moments, she was conveying her true heartfelt emotions.

But, these moments are fleeting, and while most of what is said by the girls is a result of the effect of our moments of bliss with them, and usually more of a marketing strategy for future business, I enjoy believing the prospect that they are, in fact, happily spending time with me.

It all depends on if they are able to sincerely convey those feeling to me convincingly, regardless of whether their feelings are sincere or not. It is the GFE I seek, and this one was a really Cool GFE Long Time Session, and a perfect example of the drama that IS Monterrey.

Member #3453

09-18-06, 03:19

Upon reflection, after having posted my recent trip report about drama girl #2, it occurred to me that some might interpret my reports as my having a naive sentimentality with respect to the girls I see. So, I thought it might be appropriate to clarify my own position on the hobby itself, and to solicit commentary from the board with respect to my conclusions about our hobby.

Much of what is contained in my trip reports, such as the ones about drama girl #1 and #2, have some drama attached to them for entertainment value, just to keep the board entertained. But, what I reported was only what I was feeling as it was happening. The reports are true, honest, and they accurately reflect my feelings at the time these encounters were happening, and they aren't really embellished to illustrate any long-term feelings, but to merely illustrate the sentimentality of the moment.

I believe that these girls enjoy there time with me, but I am under no illusions about their motivations. It isn't really important to know what motivates their "acts" of affection, even if their "acts" of affection are genuinely felt by them during the times they've been with me. I intellectually realize that there is NO significance to their acts of affection beyond the moment.

It is important to realize that they do not usually fall for us, not in the "real" sense. In my opinion, the pros are generally immune to that. We males are more prone to fall for their acts of affection toward us, than our girlfriends seem prone to fall for our acts of affection toward them. My conclusions about the girls can be applied to all of them...it doesn't matter to whom I refer...they are all the same.

But, I also realize that we as males have a soft spot of vulnerability. I realize that for every one time my girlfriends might think of me in my absence, I have thought of them a hundred times. That is an important weakness to realize that we have as males. That they are not as thrilled with the prospect of knowing us, except as sources of income, as we are with the prospect of knowing them, and seeing them. It is important to admit that truth to one's self as a prerequisite to protecting your heart, mind, and soul.

I have intellectually concluded over time that the object of our game is to find the girls that provide the best illusion, and then enjoy the temporary GFE, realizing during, and immediately afterward, the stark reality, that it is an illusion that they provide, and that the encounters should have no meaning beyond that.

Even if there were more to these encounters from the girl's perspective, something more than a monetary motivation, but an actual romantic affection for us on their part, I could not act on those feelings for real. Nor would I even want to act on them within the context of treating them in my heart, mind, and soul as real relationships going forward.

That is one reason that I take some advice Carlos gave me a long time ago, advice that he regularly reminds me of. That advice is to always pay them, even during times when you have had the opportunity to get freebees. It keeps everything in perspective.

But, in contrast, the last trip, Porker brought up an interesting point. If certain girls want to give it to you free, then why not accept it. Porker commented, "afterall, their boyfriends are getting it for free." While I agree that paying them is probably the better long term strategy to keep everything in perspective, the logic of Porker's comments can not be ignored.

But, I have eventually concluded that by accepting their affections free of charge, it changes the dynamic completely. It propels the monger from having a detached sense of responsibility to a point of having "responsibilities" toward the girl who gives it to you free of charge. At that point you are no longer a monger, but you are a boyfriend.

I came very close to getting it free from drama girl #1, and were it not for my insistence to pay her, she would have provided me a "long time" encounter free of charge. So, I became dangerously close to accepting her affections free of charge, and she knows it.

But, perhaps even coming close to accepting freebees, or by escalating the arrangement beyond what is intended by interjecting romance, it has also put me in a position of conflict with drama girl #1. Afterall, she is not speaking to me now.

It's seems that if you do not pay, or you interject too much romance into your encounters, and you want a long term arrangement with them, that you are probably more likely to maintain the arrangement without as many conflicts developing by continuing to pay them each and every time. Because, the moment it transends the "pay for play" dynamic, you are thrust into having a real girlfriend. And, we all know what that is like, the drama, the monogamy, and the eventual inflated cost, etc...

The encounters we have as mongers with the girls are meant to be pretty meaningless, and designed to be only a pleasant distraction to relieve our stress, and to comfort us in our normal everyday lives. The problem is, some of the girls are damned good actresses, and we as the "acted upon," because of our mail vulnerability, must guard our hearts and minds so that everything stays in proper perspective, so as to avoid the "romance" of the moment, thereby also falling into the abis, becoming a boyfriend instead of a client.

Sometimes it's difficult to keep your head on straight. Remembering that everything should be only an illusion, that everything beyond the immediate session, everything in the long term, should remain as merely a pleasant memory. These are truths that are not so easily kept in perspective. Failure to recognize this can play havoc with the male heart and psyche if the arrangement escalates beyond a pay for play arrangment....agreed?

Anyway, some might construe from my reports that I have fallen victim to a kind of "puppy love" naivete with some of my girlfriends. But, my reports are romanticized to reflect the charm of the moment, and nothing more. I have consciously decided intellectually that there should be no long term sentimentality that ranges beyond the moment into my everyday life. My purpose for writing this is to set the record straight, and to broach the subject as a reminder to the wise, and to myself.

El Cabron 007

09-18-06, 15:37

that was one of your best reports as far as telling me, and carlos, that you are not to be worried about. you got your head on straight. i would also like to think that you are now like me, i am in love, deeply in love, with the girl that i am with until i am with another. everyone of them cute little chicas has a place in my heart. i do not need to remind myself that they are as human as i am and they really work this line to feed their kids and, unfortunately, their other nasty habits. i have witnessed them by [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) and i have witnessed them buy other stuff.

i took a girl out once from the "o" place who i thought to myself was a prefect girl to take home. not a chance in hell, but that's how decent she is. there was no talk about money whatsoever until she was about to leave after 7 hours. she pulls out a list of school supplies she needs to buy for her son. she did not need to play that game with me. i offered her an amount that she accepted then i gave her more saying "this is for the school supplies." she played gf all the way until it was time to depart.

another hot as hell girls asked me how much i would "charge her" to come home with me. my head calculated so fast "if i put out a high number, that would be the number she would ask for" i said "for you, it's free. only for you" she never came back that night.

i fall in love. carlos would testify to my weak heart. i discussed with carlos a program to get "all" of these girls out of the clubs and get them into a better life. i cried over the "d" girls witnessing her destroy her live and fainting and collapsing and taking her to a 7-11 store to get her stuff to pump her stomach. but no more. i now make it clear to all the girls that i love them dearly but i have a big heart and i love 20 other girls just the same.

i even allowed one girl to simply sleep over without a single attempt to touch her because she was so tired. i feel for them but will no longer fall for any. i care and would buy them [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) for their kids and will ask about the ages and names of their children and will remember to ask how is vector? how is virginia? i will hug them sincerely when they tell me their child is sick. but i will move on and worry about the other girls child.

i will grab a girl while i am having a drink with another. the message is clear. "i love you, but i have a big heart. i love your friend as well"

wasted

upon reflection, after having posted my recent trip report about drama girl #2, it occurred to me that some might interpret my reports as my having a naive sentimentality with respect to the girls i see. so, i thought it might be appropriate to clarify my own position on the hobby itself, and to solicit commentary from the board with respect to my conclusions about our hobby.

anyway, some might construe from my reports that i have fallen victim to a kind of "puppy love" naivete with some of my girlfriends. but, my reports are romanticized to reflect the charm of the moment, and nothing more. i have consciously decided intellectually that there should be no long term sentimentality that ranges beyond the moment into my everyday life. my purpose for writing this is to set the record straight, and to broach the subject as a reminder to the wise, and to myself.

MonterreyDude

09-18-06, 16:52

wow!
i like this line, now to be made into a famous quote: "i feel for them but i will not fall for any".

that was one of your best reports as far as telling me, and carlos, that you are not to be worried about. you got your head on straight. i would also like to think that you are now like me, i am in love, deeply in love, with the girl that i am with until i am with another. everyone of them cute little chicas has a place in my heart. i do not need to remind myself that they are as human as i am and they really work this line to feed their kids and, unfortunately, their other nasty habits. i have witnessed them by [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) and i have witnessed them buy other stuff.

i took a girl out once from the "o" place who i thought to myself was a prefect girl to take home. not a chance in hell, but that's how decent she is. there was no talk about money whatsoever until she was about to leave after 7 hours. she pulls out a list of school supplies she needs to buy for her son. she did not need to play that game with me. i offered her an amount that she accepted then i gave her more saying "this is for the school supplies." she played gf all the way until it was time to depart.

another hot as hell girls asked me how much i would "charge her" to come home with me. my head calculated so fast "if i put out a high number, that would be the number she would ask for" i said "for you, it's free. only for you" she never came back that night.

i fall in love. carlos would testify to my weak heart. i discussed with carlos a program to get "all" of these girls out of the clubs and get them into a better life. i cried over the "d" girls witnessing her destroy her live and fainting and collapsing and taking her to a 7-11 store to get her stuff to pump her stomach. but no more. i now make it clear to all the girls that i love them dearly but i have a big heart and i love 20 other girls just the same.

i even allowed one girl to simply sleep over without a single attempt to touch her because she was so tired. i feel for them but will no longer fall for any. i care and would buy them [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) for their kids and will ask about the ages and names of their children and will remember to ask how is vector? how is virginia? i will hug them sincerely when they tell me their child is sick. but i will move on and worry about the other girls child.

i will grab a girl while i am having a drink with another. the message is clear. "i love you, but i have a big heart. i love your friend as well"

wasted

Lion Killer

09-18-06, 22:28

Is that a tear in my eye I see, do I feel a lump in my throat I ask myself. Poor girls, I must rush down and save them from their destiny, while others turn them away. (HeHeHe good righting both out you).

LK

Lion Killer

09-18-06, 22:30

If I could only spell writing it would have been OK.

LK

Member #3453

09-19-06, 04:50

Precisely my position...

I love them dearly, think of them always, worry about them, am kind to them, treat them like they are my true girlfriends when I am with them...literally, I adore them and sincerely appreciate them!

But, when I step onto the airplane that returns home to the Midwest from Monterrey, it is like I am stepping into the tranporter room of Star Trek's USS Enterprise (the original tv program from the 70's?...not that crazy new shit).

In other words, I am transported far, far, away, back to "my world," where I conduct myself respectfully, and where I have an entirely different life, one that I am fiercely protective of, one that does not allow me to romantically internalize what I soberly recognize as being the monetarily motivated charms of Mexican bar girls.

But, more importantly, it is also quite gratifying to realize that even though the girls in Monterrey are motivated by money, when they are with me in the room, it sure is nice to realize that I still have it, I still have what it takes.

In the privacy of the room, without the restrictions of social pressures, the girls relax their prohibitions about being with a man twice, or sometimes more than twice their ages. That privacy in the room reveals the receptivity of the girls to older men. The reactions of the girls convinces me that if the norms of society were different, we would otherwise have a romantic, and certainly a sexual, opportunity at many a younger girl, even at our comparatively older ages.

But, the confines of society make the human female of the species reluctant to act on what might otherwise be an attraction were it not for those confines. That circumstance, Males being attracted to Older Females, is not nearly so evident in us as males, regardless of societies influences. So, it's really cool to realize that we still have what it takes, and that girls everywhere are open to us in theory if not in practice.

Anyway, as I transported back to my real life here in the waste land, it is fun to reminisce how much fun I had, and how wonderful it is to have such a resource as Monterrey.

When I am back here in the US, and I am face to face with a twenty year old hottie, dealing with them at the fast food drive through, in the movie rental store, in Walmart, the UPS Store, wherever you find the younger girls working at jobs that usually pay entry level wages, I imagine what it would be like here in the US to have the same kind of access to our US girls as we have in Monterrey with our Mexicanas.

As I stand before our young pretty Norte Americanas, I reverently reminisce, privately of course, fanticizing about the possibilities were we to have access to our US girls like we have access to our Mexicanas in Monterrey...admiring their bodies, their cute faces, their fresh and optomistic personalities, their sweetness, their soft voices, their innocent charms...everything that is a pretty young girl.

It IS SO COMFORTING to realize that I have experienced in Monterrey all they would have to offer me here were I twenty years old again. That is such a wonderful, liberated, feeling...to know that the same quality twenty year old girls, the ones I can not touch here, are there in MTY willingly, and available for me in Monterrey when I return, even to the point of actually desiring sexually and sometimes romantically to be with me in the privacy of our room.

I have often thought as I gaze upon the talent here, all of which are virtually untouchable to me under the confines of our social norms, that I would be such as pitifully depressed guy were they not available to me in Monterrey. Thank God for them in Monterrey...God bless them every one!

I am in love, deeply in love, with the girl that I am with until I am with another. Everyone of them cute little chicas has a place in my heart. I do not need to remind myself that they are as human as I am...I fall in love. Carlos would testify to my weak heart.Wasted

El Cabron 007

09-19-06, 15:46

Thank you Carlos. But credit is due to YOU my good friend. Your help was pricless.

There is a chance I might be able to sneak out of where I am for a short stop (Fri & Sat) this weekend. I'll let you know soon...

Wasted

Wow!
I like this line, now to be made into a Famous Quote: "I feel for them but I will not fall for any".

MonterreyDude

09-19-06, 16:52

You are?
Vania and Monica are back at the Prestige.
Should I tell the J girl at the I place?

Thank you Carlos. But credit is due to YOU my good friend. Your help was pricless.

There is a chance I might be able to sneak out of where I am for a short stop (Fri & Sat) this weekend. I'll let you know soon...

Wasted

El Cabron 007

09-20-06, 01:17

Vania was forced upon me and I could never shake her off. Monica on the other hand is a hot Vania. Firmer and would love to have but Vania would kill me. I was whispering to Yazmin once to bring Monica and Vania heard Yazmin's shocking question "Monica?". I think I was seeing starts when Vania reacted :)

I may stop by and say hello, maybe not. Forget them both. Lady "J" is worth more to me than all the "P" girl. Except the one I could never get, what was her name? The one Unos said once: "Imagine getting married and on your wedding night, you find out your bride has a knock out body like hers, you'll probably have a heart attack." :)

Wanna meet at the PDA or the "I" Friday night? I should be there around 8 pm.

You are?
Vania and Monica are back at the Prestige.
Should I tell the J girl at the I place?

Member #3453

09-20-06, 02:53

Plus, and this is a profound truth....

What we get in Monterrey is far better than you will even consistently get at home, even if you married the very best of the lot. You can not consistently get the pure pleasure on demand that we routinely get from our girls in Monterrey, at home, within the confines of a legitimate relationship.

In practice, the two experiences are not comparable, but one supplementing the other spells pure male contentment. Have fun!!!

The one Unos said once: "Imagine getting married and on your wedding night, you find out your bride has a knock out body like hers, you'll probably have a heart attack." :)

MonterreyDude

09-20-06, 07:41

Am trying to get my main "I" girl on Saturday for lunch with you and the "J" girl.
Thing is, and you know her, she said on the phone, "finally I'll get to know the girls you ar f********g when I don't see you", soooo I am changing my mind about her.
I'll see if the "D" girl at the O place is available....

Vania was forced upon me and I could never shake her off. Monica on the other hand is a hot Vania. Firmer and would love to have but Vania would kill me. I was whispering to Yazmin once to bring Monica and Vania heard Yazmin's shocking question "Monica?". I think I was seeing starts when Vania reacted :)

I may stop by and say hello, maybe not. Forget them both. Lady "J" is worth more to me than all the "P" girl. Except the one I could never get, what was her name? The one Unos said once: "Imagine getting married and on your wedding night, you find out your bride has a knock out body like hers, you'll probably have a heart attack." :)

Wanna meet at the PDA or the "I" Friday night? I should be there around 8 pm.

El Cabron 007

09-20-06, 15:13

You're a horny chicken :)

But I think it's a wiser move. And besides, it will be more fun for both of them since they are already friends and conformable together. I can force them into doing an act for us after launch as well :). You can see the manipulative me at work.

Otherwise, it will be clearly awkward or all 4 of us.

Wasted

Am trying to get my main "I" girl on Saturday for lunch with you and the "J" girl.
Thing is, and you know her, she said on the phone, "finally I'll get to know the girls you ar f********g when I don't see you", soooo I am changing my mind about her.
I'll see if the "D" girl at the O place is available....

Velicata

09-22-06, 05:09

I traded a few remarks with you guys a couple of weeks ago. I think I'm going to come down there this weekend for the first time from here in Laredo. I'll probably be there Saturday night, possibly Sunday night (are the girls any better on a Sunday?)

If any of you regulars are around I'd be happy to buy you a beer. Hopefully you guys can give me a basic lay of the land as it were.

Thanks,

Paul

MonterreyDude

09-22-06, 07:38

Sundays the Infinito, Matehuala, Givenchy are open. So is the Harem.
Are girls better on a Sunday... dunno.
At what time is your ETA for Monterrey?

I traded a few remarks with you guys a couple of weeks ago. I think I'm going to come down there this weekend for the first time from here in Laredo. I'll probably be there Saturday night, possibly Sunday night (are the girls any better on a Sunday?)

If any of you regulars are around I'd be happy to buy you a beer. Hopefully you guys can give me a basic lay of the land as it were.

Thanks,

Paul

Velicata

09-22-06, 16:15

That last comment was a typo. I meant to ask "are the girls any cheaper" on Sundays? I'll probably get there around 6pm on Saturday or Sunday.

Paul

Velicata

09-22-06, 20:55

Where is the best place to change dollars to pesos? Can I get pesos from an ATM down there? Can I pay for the hotel with a credit card?

Thanks a lot,

Paul

MonterreyDude

09-23-06, 06:36

1. ATMs
2. Yes
3. Yes (but depends on what hotel you are staying at)

Where is the best place to change dollars to pesos? Can I get pesos from an ATM down there? Can I pay for the hotel with a credit card?

Thanks a lot,

Paul

Velicata

09-23-06, 07:20

I guess I'll stay at the Del Arco since you guys all reccomend it. Thanks for the help.

Paul

1. ATMs

2. Yes
3. Yes (but depends on what hotel you are staying at)

Maxout

09-23-06, 07:47

I am going to be in Monterrey for the first time this week. I have been to Mexico City and found the whole environment geared to rip-off the "Gringo". Is it the same in Monterrey or is it possible for a "Gringo" to fair and honest service?

Super Gato

09-23-06, 09:41

1. ATMs
2. Yes
3. Yes (but depends on what hotel you are staying at)But check with your bank at home to see what they charge for withdrawals outside the US. Wells Fargo charges $5.00 using any ATM outside the US. I switched to BofA and can use Santander Serfin machines for free. I think I read somewhere that Citi owns Banamex and so customers can avoid fees there. Even if your bank does charge, it is pretty convenient to just get pesos from the ATM at the airport and there are tons of banks in MTY.

Also, some credit cards charge up to 3% as a foreign exchange fee when you charge stuff to Visa or Mastercard. Even far from home, your bank will go out of its way to separate you from your money.

Member #3453

09-23-06, 10:48

Velicata,

The girls won't usually be any cheaper on a Sunday, but they may be more open to the idea of going with you on a Salida Sunday, versus on a Friday or Saturday night. Plus, there is no cover charge on Sunday night, whereas most of the clubs will charge at least 10 pesos cover on Friday and Saturday night. Make sure you obtain the ticket stub from them after you enter the club so you can get back in without having to pay the cover every time you re-enter the clubs.

I find myself coming and going out of the same clubs, sometimes 3 or 4 times in a night to check out the talent, or because a particular girl was busy with other patrons. If you do that 3-4 times a night at every club you walk in and out of, you can rack up 80-100 pesos just on cover charges on the weekends. That's not a lot of scratch, but the savings might buy you a few beers.

On Friday and Saturday nights, the clubs are so full that the girls can make good money in the privados, and on drinks, and they don't generally want to be distracted. I find that the attitude of most girls is that they don't usually want to be taken out of the regular privado/drink rotation for the financial benefits of doing a salida on Friday or Saturday nights.

But, Sunday has a lesser number of patrons in the clubs, and there isn't as much of an opportunity for the girls to make as much money. That makes salidas more attractive to them on Sunday, and on the first few nights of the week. Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday are the slowest, Wednesday has a little more traffic, and you'll notice an upswing in the number of patrons starting on Thursday night. My forecast is not always the case because there are other factors like soccer games that might effect the number of patrons in the bars, etc...but generally that's been my experience.

Truth is, I prefer to be in Monterrey on Sunday through Thursday, and I really don't enjoy Friday or Saturday nights that much because there is so much competition from other patrons in the clubs. You will get less attention from the girls on Friday and Saturday nights as a general rule. They're just too occupied with the prospect of butterflying around to make as much money as they can. The only exception to that rule is if you throw a lot of money around, or they know you have the money, and are known to throw it around.

But, because of the lower number of patrons in the clubs on Sundays, the girls realize in advance that there will be fewer patrons in the clubs, and some of them choose not to come to work. It just depends on the club, the girl, their needs, etc...So, the quality of the selection will be fewer on Sundays, but it's usually still pretty decent.

I have been able to get slight discounts from the girls on their cut for going on salida during slow nights, after paying the salida to the bar. The salida paid to the bar NEVER changes. If it's supposed to be 350 pesos, that is what you will pay to the bar no matter which night of the week it is. However, on occassion, if it's a slow night, I've been able to get the girls to leave the bar with me for as little at 800 peosos for a minimum of 1.5 hours, sometimes longer.

On slower nights, I've noticed they are more willing to stay on salida longer. On the slower nights, there is less motivating them to finish as soon as possible. Conversely, on busy nights they are motivated to return to the bar as soon as they can so they can earn as much as possible from whatever is left of the night.

It is on Friday and Saturday nights that I anticipate comparatively less from girlfriends that agree to go on salida. Friday or Saturday nights are historically the nights that they've been more likely to short change me on time, or to stay only the prescribed amount of time, and cut out on schedule, rather than staying with me a relatively long time.

I can't really comment on the likelihood that you might get a discount for services in the clubs from the girls on off nights in the privados, because I don't partake in those services very often. I devote my dollars almost exclusively to salidas. But, I imagine you could possibly negotiate with the girl in the privados, especially if she solicits you about wanting services performed first. I believe you could possibly negotiate those services with the girl in the privado if she is desperate to earn some money. But, I doubt the discount would be more than 50 pesos if they come off price at all. But, don't forget, if you partake in the salidas, you are also paying 50 pesos to the bar to remain in the privado booth every 4 minutes. That aspect of in-house services can get expensive real fast.

It is not uncommon to go into the privado booth, thinking you are only going to be paying 400 pesos for full service, but instead paying 600-800 pesos because you also racked up another few songs in order to stay in the booth to finish. Plus, some of the girls are really good at delaying the finish.

Consider this...they do this night after night, and some of them are quite adept at working you up, then delaying your progress, keeping you definitely interested, but delaying the final result. Afterall, they get a cut of the 50 pesos you pay to the bar for each 4 minute song that's played while she was literally "jerking you around." So, in my experience, you can pay a lot of money in the privados.

My logic is, if the total cost of a salida is 1350 pesos for an hour and a half, including the bar fine of 350 pesos, and I would otherwise rack up as much as 800-1000 pesos in the privados, an uncomfortable, dirty, dark, and altogether unpleasant environment versus my hotel room for 1350 pesos.

Well, for me, the salida is the much better value. 1350 pesos would equal 27 songs in the privados, or 108 minutes in the privados. Usually, I am able to negotiate with the girl and management to sometimes get 2-2.5 hours for 1350 pesos. And, on relatively frequent occasssion, the girl will stay 3-4 hours.

So, the value for the money is much better by going on salida. I get a much more comfortable environment in the privacy of my hotel room versus the uncomforatble, public, "back alley" feel of the privados. And, if you find a girl that is not only skilled, but also genuinely affectionate, it is really no comparison to what you would otherwise experience in the privados.

That's why I work on forming "relationships" with certain girlfriends so I can blow into town and skip through all the BS that is otherwise found in the privados. Don't misunderstand, I do enjoy the privados, and I use the privados for interviewing and for its entertainment value, but I rarely spend over 100-200 pesos to interview a prospective new girl before deciding whether she is going to be worth a salida.

Usually, I will switch off buying a salida one night, doing privados the other. One night I will spend some money, maybe up to 800 pesos running between the clubs, doing privados, buying drinks, and then every other night or so I will spring for a salida. So, usually, I take a one or two night rest between salidas by canvassing the clubs to see if there is any new talent, touching base with my established harem of girls, and/or spending a comparatively conservative night out with Carlos, Porker, Wastedgman, etc...partaking usually in several occassional short 2-3 song grope sessions in the privados between various clubs.

Also, I readily admit that I don't always follow my own advice. I have spent hundreds over the years in the privados. But, this advice is what I know is prudent if I'm thinking with the head on my shoulders.

Hope this helps...Have Fun!

MonterreyDude

09-23-06, 16:50

Monterrey, and you must read the post in this thread is a far better option than Mexico City.
Monterrey is one of the safests cities in Mexico and that reflects in services rendered in almost everything.
Sure, there are those that will try, but if you catch them, they will surrender not kick you out and still rob you.
No, believe me, Mty is far better is a good option.

I am going to be in Monterrey for the first time this week. I have been to Mexico City and found the whole environment geared to rip-off the "Gringo". Is it the same in Monterrey or is it possible for a "Gringo" to fair and honest service?

Member #3453

09-23-06, 18:24

From what I have heard of Mexico City, it goes far beyond just the prospect of fair treatment, and that you may actually be lucky to get out of there with your life.

I can't really comment on the safety level in Mexico City because I've never actually been there, but Monterrey IS a surprisingly safe place. I have walked around all over El Centro at 3-4am and never had a problem whatsoever, walking even along some of the darker, empty, side streets late at night. I have walked these same streets also during late night hours where other Mexican working class dudes would otherwise have perfect opportunity to confront me criminally, but they are always perfect gentlemen.

While I don't recommend that anyone necessarily do that, I still have to admit that were I to do that in my own home town in El Centro, I would probably be murdered by roaming bands of "gangsta rappers" within a very short time. But, in Monterrey, there seems to be very few incidents of anything happening to those who choose to walk between the hotel, Plaza Del Arco for example on, la calle Pino Suarez, and the main clubs several blocks away.

With respect to fair treatment, you must always be expecting the hustle. If you are a Gringo, they will undoubtedly see dollar signs initially, hoping they can run some kind of amateurish hustle on you, but nothing that you should not be expecting.

Some will attempt to hustle you a little bit, but that's only to be expected. I can't name any venue throughout the World where that is not the case. In Monterrey, the attempted hustle is generally nickel and dime, and usually has to do with waiters making incorrect change, girls leaving slightly early after having promised certain amounts of time they will spend with you on salida, girls promising to meet you outside the club so you'll puke pesos on drinks, etc...So, you just have to realize that they will possibly make an attempt at hustling you, but I theorize that compared to Mexico City, it's on a very minor level, just in the ways you should expect no matter where you might be mongering in the World.

If you are on guard for the Gringo hustle, and you can demonstrate that you're not a newbie fool to them, preferrably in a subtle, polite, but unmistakeably savy manner, immediately in your initial conversations with them, then they'll recognize you as an experienced customer, and they'll supply their services with a pretty dependable level of service. You just have to play your hand straight so they don't persist beyond making a half hearted initial attempt to take amateurish advantage of you.

I think the hustle, based on what I've heard about Mexico City, must be significantly more prevalent, perhaps even more akin to being on the "criminal" level, than what I have personally experienced in Monterrey. Usually in Monterrey, if you qualify what is expected up front, you know a little Spanish so you can communicate accurately, then you should get what you're expecting to get.

If you agree on certain acts being performed, a certain amount of time spent on salida, etc...then, they will typically deliver the goods reliably. But, of course, there are always hustlers out there that may attempt to take advantage, not only of Gringos, but of all that cross their path.

In Monterrey, there are lot of "career girls" in the clubs, and most of them understand the need to deliver a consistently acceptable level of service in order to establish repeat customers. So, in my opinion, the service is relatively reliable within the context of realizing you are mongering in Mexico.

MonterreyDude

09-23-06, 19:09

What Maxout means in a way is that Mexico City is famous for waiters, bouncers, barkers and hostesses (real hostess, not club girls) to try to extort some sort of "tip".
The moment you step into a club in Mexico city it's like "surrender all hope". the hostess will ask you for a tip the moment she gets you to your seat. the waiter will make it "necesary" for a tip and your way out, the bouncer will ask for one and the street barker will too.
If you try to make it a point that you will not give them money, you can expect the worse of treatments. Some places in Mexico City are famous for drugging you, robbing you and throwing you out to the street.
Others, they will swindle you if you pay in credit card, and even then if you pay cash, they will make you pay more than you were delivered... if NOT!!!.
Monterrey is a tame little puppy compared to that. If you catch them redhanded, they will say "am sorry" and correct anything.
But you have to remember that the house always wins, so be smart and don't ever get drunk as hell.

From what I have heard of Mexico City, it goes far beyond just the prospect of fair treatment, and that you may actually be lucky to get out of there with your life.

I can't really comment on the safety level in Mexico City because I've never actually been there, but Monterrey IS a surprisingly safe place. I have walked around all over El Centro at 3-4am and never had a problem whatsoever, walking even along some of the darker, empty, side streets late at night. I have walked these same streets also during late night hours where other Mexican working class dudes would otherwise have perfect opportunity to confront me criminally, but they are always perfect gentlemen.

While I don't recommend that anyone necessarily do that, I still have to admit that were I to do that in my own home town in El Centro, I would probably be murdered by roaming bands of "gangsta rappers" within a very short time. But, in Monterrey, there seems to be very few incidents of anything happening to those who choose to walk between the hotel, Plaza Del Arco for example on, la calle Pino Suarez, and the main clubs several blocks away.

With respect to fair treatment, you must always be expecting the hustle. If you are a Gringo, they will undoubtedly see dollar signs initially, hoping they can run some kind of amateurish hustle on you, but nothing that you should not be expecting.

Some will attempt to hustle you a little bit, but that's only to be expected. I can't name any venue throughout the World where that is not the case. In Monterrey, the attempted hustle is generally nickel and dime, and usually has to do with waiters making incorrect change, girls leaving slightly early after having promised certain amounts of time they will spend with you on salida, girls promising to meet you outside the club so you'll puke pesos on drinks, etc...So, you just have to realize that they will possibly make an attempt at hustling you, but I theorize that compared to Mexico City, it's on a very minor level, just in the ways you should expect no matter where you might be mongering in the World.

If you are on guard for the Gringo hustle, and you can demonstrate that you're not a newbie fool to them, preferrably in a subtle, polite, but unmistakeably savy manner, immediately in your initial conversations with them, then they'll recognize you as an experienced customer, and they'll supply their services with a pretty dependable level of service. You just have to play your hand straight so they don't persist beyond making a half hearted initial attempt to take amateurish advantage of you.

I think the hustle, based on what I've heard about Mexico City, must be significantly more prevalent, perhaps even more akin to being on the "criminal" level, than what I have personally experienced in Monterrey. Usually in Monterrey, if you qualify what is expected up front, you know a little Spanish so you can communicate accurately, then you should get what you're expecting to get.

If you agree on certain acts being performed, a certain amount of time spent on salida, etc...then, they will typically deliver the goods reliably. But, of course, there are always hustlers out there that may attempt to take advantage, not only of Gringos, but of all that cross their path.

In Monterrey, there are lot of "career girls" in the clubs, and most of them understand the need to deliver a consistently acceptable level of service in order to establish repeat customers. So, in my opinion, the service is relatively reliable within the context of realizing you are mongering in Mexico.

Member #3453

09-23-06, 21:21

Do they also attempt the same on Mexican Citizens as well, or is this treatment in Mexico City practiced primarily on Gringos only? In other word, if you were to walk into one of these clubs you describe that are located in Mexico City, would they attempt to extort money from you to the same degree as they might attempt to extort, or even intimidate, Gringos?

Member #3453

09-23-06, 21:25

Do they also attempt the same on Mexican Citizens as well, or is this treatment in Mexico City practiced primarily on Gringos only? In other words, if you were to walk into one of these clubs you describe that are located in Mexico City, would they attempt to extort money from you to the same degree as they might attempt to extort, or even intimidate, Gringos?

MonterreyDude

09-23-06, 21:55

Yes, both ways, with the exception that for us they expect pesos (20-30 pesos )and dlls (5-10) from Americans

Do they also attempt the same on Mexican Citizens as well, or is this treatment in Mexico City practiced primarily on Gringos only? In other words, if you were to walk into one of these clubs you describe that are located in Mexico City, would they attempt to extort money from you to the same degree as they might attempt to extort, or even intimidate, Gringos?

Velicata

09-24-06, 01:02

Thanks for all the info. As I said in my previous post. I'll probably stay at the Plaza Del Arco tomorrow night. Can I walk to some of the clubs from there?

Paul

Velicata,

The girls won't usually be any cheaper on a Sunday, but they may be more open to the idea of going with you on a Salida Sunday, versus on a Friday or Saturday night. Plus, there is no cover charge on Sunday night, whereas most of the clubs will charge at least 10 pesos cover on Friday and Saturday night. Make sure you obtain the ticket stub from them after you enter the club so you can get back in without having to pay the cover every time you re-enter the clubs.

I find myself coming and going out of the same clubs, sometimes 3 or 4 times in a night to check out the talent, or because a particular girl was busy with other patrons. If you do that 3-4 times a night at every club you walk in and out of, you can rack up 80-100 pesos just on cover charges on the weekends. That's not a lot of scratch, but the savings might buy you a few beers.

On Friday and Saturday nights, the clubs are so full that the girls can make good money in the privados, and on drinks, and they don't generally want to be distracted. I find that the attitude of most girls is that they don't usually want to be taken out of the regular privado/drink rotation for the financial benefits of doing a salida on Friday or Saturday nights.

But, Sunday has a lesser number of patrons in the clubs, and there isn't as much of an opportunity for the girls to make as much money. That makes salidas more attractive to them on Sunday, and on the first few nights of the week. Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday are the slowest, Wednesday has a little more traffic, and you'll notice an upswing in the number of patrons starting on Thursday night. My forecast is not always the case because there are other factors like soccer games that might effect the number of patrons in the bars, etc...but generally that's been my experience.

Truth is, I prefer to be in Monterrey on Sunday through Thursday, and I really don't enjoy Friday or Saturday nights that much because there is so much competition from other patrons in the clubs. You will get less attention from the girls on Friday and Saturday nights as a general rule. They're just too occupied with the prospect of butterflying around to make as much money as they can. The only exception to that rule is if you throw a lot of money around, or they know you have the money, and are known to throw it around.

But, because of the lower number of patrons in the clubs on Sundays, the girls realize in advance that there will be fewer patrons in the clubs, and some of them choose not to come to work. It just depends on the club, the girl, their needs, etc...So, the quality of the selection will be fewer on Sundays, but it's usually still pretty decent.

I have been able to get slight discounts from the girls on their cut for going on salida during slow nights, after paying the salida to the bar. The salida paid to the bar NEVER changes. If it's supposed to be 350 pesos, that is what you will pay to the bar no matter which night of the week it is. However, on occassion, if it's a slow night, I've been able to get the girls to leave the bar with me for as little at 800 peosos for a minimum of 1.5 hours, sometimes longer.

On slower nights, I've noticed they are more willing to stay on salida longer. On the slower nights, there is less motivating them to finish as soon as possible. Conversely, on busy nights they are motivated to return to the bar as soon as they can so they can earn as much as possible from whatever is left of the night.

It is on Friday and Saturday nights that I anticipate comparatively less from girlfriends that agree to go on salida. Friday or Saturday nights are historically the nights that they've been more likely to short change me on time, or to stay only the prescribed amount of time, and cut out on schedule, rather than staying with me a relatively long time.

I can't really comment on the likelihood that you might get a discount for services in the clubs from the girls on off nights in the privados, because I don't partake in those services very often. I devote my dollars almost exclusively to salidas. But, I imagine you could possibly negotiate with the girl in the privados, especially if she solicits you about wanting services performed first. I believe you could possibly negotiate those services with the girl in the privado if she is desperate to earn some money. But, I doubt the discount would be more than 50 pesos if they come off price at all. But, don't forget, if you partake in the salidas, you are also paying 50 pesos to the bar to remain in the privado booth every 4 minutes. That aspect of in-house services can get expensive real fast.

It is not uncommon to go into the privado booth, thinking you are only going to be paying 400 pesos for full service, but instead paying 600-800 pesos because you also racked up another few songs in order to stay in the booth to finish. Plus, some of the girls are really good at delaying the finish.

Consider this...they do this night after night, and some of them are quite adept at working you up, then delaying your progress, keeping you definitely interested, but delaying the final result. Afterall, they get a cut of the 50 pesos you pay to the bar for each 4 minute song that's played while she was literally "jerking you around." So, in my experience, you can pay a lot of money in the privados.

My logic is, if the total cost of a salida is 1350 pesos for an hour and a half, including the bar fine of 350 pesos, and I would otherwise rack up as much as 800-1000 pesos in the privados, an uncomfortable, dirty, dark, and altogether unpleasant environment versus my hotel room for 1350 pesos.

Well, for me, the salida is the much better value. 1350 pesos would equal 27 songs in the privados, or 108 minutes in the privados. Usually, I am able to negotiate with the girl and management to sometimes get 2-2.5 hours for 1350 pesos. And, on relatively frequent occasssion, the girl will stay 3-4 hours.

So, the value for the money is much better by going on salida. I get a much more comfortable environment in the privacy of my hotel room versus the uncomforatble, public, "back alley" feel of the privados. And, if you find a girl that is not only skilled, but also genuinely affectionate, it is really no comparison to what you would otherwise experience in the privados.

That's why I work on forming "relationships" with certain girlfriends so I can blow into town and skip through all the BS that is otherwise found in the privados. Don't misunderstand, I do enjoy the privados, and I use the privados for interviewing and for its entertainment value, but I rarely spend over 100-200 pesos to interview a prospective new girl before deciding whether she is going to be worth a salida.

Usually, I will switch off buying a salida one night, doing privados the other. One night I will spend some money, maybe up to 800 pesos running between the clubs, doing privados, buying drinks, and then every other night or so I will spring for a salida. So, usually, I take a one or two night rest between salidas by canvassing the clubs to see if there is any new talent, touching base with my established harem of girls, and/or spending a comparatively conservative night out with Carlos, Porker, Wastedgman, etc...partaking usually in several occassional short 2-3 song grope sessions in the privados between various clubs.

Also, I readily admit that I don't always follow my own advice. I have spent hundreds over the years in the privados. But, this advice is what I know is prudent if I'm thinking with the head on my shoulders.

Hope this helps...Have Fun!

Velicata

09-24-06, 01:13

I've tried to make an online reservation at the Plaza Del Arco but no luck. Do you guys think I'll need a reservation there?

Velicata

09-24-06, 02:47

I've been thinking of driving my car down tomorrow from Laredo. Everybody here tells me it's no sweat, no need to worry about my car or anything. I was told the toll road is $8 each way. I guess the issue is whether or not I'll be able to find the hotel without any problem. If I take the bus (it's called Americanos Bus line) I don't know exactly where in town it will drop me off, and how to get to the hotel from there.

What do you guys think?

Paul

Minnesotah

09-24-06, 06:36

I agree with Super Gato. If you can access a Mexican bank ATMs network for free, go for it. Also, there's always the idea about a USD withdraw in Laredo, then exchange it to one of the banks / currency exchanges near Plaza del Arco. Per experience, it is ok. I don't recall its name (a Banamex branch on Madero? not sure at all), but what I am sure: they didn't charged me extra fees and % rate was quite honest when I did it.

But check with your bank at home to see what they charge for withdrawals outside the US. Wells Fargo charges $5.00 using any ATM outside the US. I switched to BofA and can use Santander Serfin machines for free. I think I read somewhere that Citi owns Banamex and so customers can avoid fees there. Even if your bank does charge, it is pretty convenient to just get pesos from the ATM at the airport and there are tons of banks in MTY.

Also, some credit cards charge up to 3% as a foreign exchange fee when you charge stuff to Visa or Mastercard. Even far from home, your bank will go out of its way to separate you from your money.

MonterreyDude

09-24-06, 06:56

Thing is their online reservation system sucks.
Check their web page ande call them by phone:

http://www.proximahoteles.com/

Remember to get the Plaza del Arco... there is also a Plaza del Arco Express.

I've tried to make an online reservation at the Plaza Del Arco but no luck. Do you guys think I'll need a reservation there?

MonterreyDude

09-24-06, 06:58

Toll highway from NL to Mty is 350 pesos.
Dunno where the Americano Bus will drop you off.
The Plaza del Arco Web page has the address, phone and a small map. The Plaza del Arco is walking distance from the dowtown main bus depot.

I've been thinking of driving my car down tomorrow from Laredo. Everybody here tells me it's no sweat, no need to worry about my car or anything. I was told the toll road is $8 each way. I guess the issue is whether or not I'll be able to find the hotel without any problem. If I take the bus (it's called Americanos Bus line) I don't know exactly where in town it will drop me off, and how to get to the hotel from there.

What do you guys think?

Paul

Velicata

09-24-06, 07:38

Thanks for all your help Carlos. If everything goes according to plan I'll be at the hotel tomorrow afternoon/evening.

I kind of get the impression from all your posts that you live there. Am I right? Anyway, if you're around tomorrow call me at the room and we can have a beer. My last name is Pryor.

Adios

Member #3453

09-24-06, 12:43

I have always avoided driving into Monterrey in the past because of my "Gringo" Status, and the accompanying shake down that might result along with the prospect of a Gringo driving in Mexico.

I also think the cost is prohibitive compared to using the bus to arrive in Monterrey from Nuevo Laredo. Plus, the bus delivers me right downtown, only a few blocks from my hotel. Of course, if you own your own car, then you only have the additional cost of Mexican Auto insurance and gasoline, which isn't cheap these days either.

The last time I came to Monterrey, I used the, relatively new, Primera Plus bus line. Their terminal is about the same distance from the Laredo border as the main bus station in Nuevo Laredo, and as you walk across the border, there is usually a hawker that will arrange for one of the taxis waiting on the Mexico side to take you to their bus station for only 50 pesos (which is half the price of what the taxi drivers will otherwise charge a Gringo to travel to the main bus station, or to the Primera Plus bus station).

The Primera Plus bus was very comfortable, and last time, there was only one other passenger on the bus to Monterrey. It was like having the whole bus to myself. Plus, they even provided a sandwich, snack, and soft drink upon bording the bus. I was reluctant to eat the sandwich at first because, being a Gringo, I was concerned that maybe the sandwich would cause some unwanted Gringo kinds of gastric intestinal issues. But, I was so hungry that my hunger made me do it. I enjoyed the sandwich, which was on very fresh, soft, bread, very tasty, and there were no Gringo related gastric repercussions. I was rather impressed with them.

But, Primara Plus is relatively new, so who knows if they will stay viable. But, their facility in Nuevo Laredo is very nice, clean, etc...When I arrived in Monterrey, they had their own, nice, clean, and modern bus terminal located just a few blocks North of the Main bus station in downtown Monterry, right next to one of my favorite clubs, primarily for the lunch buffet only, El Prestige. So, getting from their bus terminal to the hotel was no problem. I knew right where I was when I arrived in Monterrey at their terminal, only a few blocks East of Plaza Del Arco, and their facility could not have been more conveniently located.

The cost from Nuevo Laredo to Monterrey was 190 pesos one way. I used a Noreste Bus on the return trip for about the same price, only because Primera Plus does not have a scheduled departure from Monterrey before 2:30pm in the afternoon, and my return flight from Laredo was scheduled to leave at 5:30pm, which didn't provide sufficient time for me to allow for my return trip using Primera Plus. But, had they been available to return to Nuevo Laredo earlier, I would have also used them on my return trip from Monterrey.

However, with respect to Noreste, in the past I've used them on numerous trips, and they are usually quite similiar in comfortability, etc...But, I must admit that on this last trip back to NL from Monterrey, the bus ride was not quite as relaxing in that the bus was full of passengers, and it was not nearly as relaxing as the Primera Plus bus was on the way down from NL. The bus was probably so full because I returned to NL on a Friday, and the bus might have a lesser number of passengers on weekdays.

On the Noreste bus I had a passenger sitting next to me, a mildly attractive chica, THANK GOD, but when she opened the HOLY BIBLE, and read it the entire way back to NL, I was less than thrilled at the prospect that I might have otherwise found an opportunity to meet a non-pro with lucivious proclivities, hahahaha!!! I just maintained myself next to her as a perfect gentleman, reclined my seat back, dozed off a little, and basically I just politely ignored her most of the trip :-)

Another nice benefit to riding the bus is that you can catch some sleep on the trip between Monterrey and Laredo. That provides additional energy to prowl the clubs later that night so you're not so tired from driving in. Or, if you prefer, you can watch the movie that the bus company provides on strategically placed ceiling mounted small tv sets throughout the bus, usually played in English with Spanish subtitles. Or, you can do like I do, read a book, listen to your MP3 player, catch catnap, or whatever. There is a lot to be said for not having to drive the vehicle yourself. You don't have to think about where you're going, how to get there, keeping your concentration on your driving, etc...

I have all but discounted the idea of driving down with a rental car because of economics, the "Gringo Factor," Relaxation Options, and Immigration Convenience. Here is my estimate of the cost were someone to choose instead to rent a car and drive down:
Taxi from Laredo Airport to the Border = $400 pesos (round trip)
Taxi from the Border to the bus station = $100 pesos
Bus Ride between Laredo and Monterrey = $380 pesos
Transportation between El Gymnasio y Hotel = 460 pesos (5 Days )
Transportation club hopping/day errands = $840 pesos
(5 trips around Monterrery running errands and club hopping per day when you are not graciously providing my transportation between the clubs, Soriana, Flea Market, Plaza Real, etc...).
Gringo extortion payments to Transitos = maybe $100 pesos a day (maybe more depending on their need).
Total Cost, Less Airfare, for one week in Monterrey = $2,780

Ok, so I can rent a car in Laredo at the Airport and drive down to Monterrey, where I will also have use of the vehicle all week, an economy size Hundai. around $166USD, including tax, plus the Mexico Insurance, which may be as high as $26USD per day. Plus the cost of the toll highway, $350 pesos each way.

So, economically, it is definitely more expensive to rent a car, and it might even be more expensive to drive your own car down to Monterrey, but the convenience might be nice. But, if you consider driving your own car down, the cost of gasoline to drive 3.5 hours each way is going to probably amount to more than 190 pesos, which I believe is a relatively steady bus fare rate no matter which of the better quality bus lines you select, Primera Plus, Noreste, etc...

Plus, the "Gringo Factor" might not be worth the potential hassles in Transito graft payments. And consider that there IS significant added waiting time at the border clearing customs when you drive your own vehicle versus taking a taxi to the NL side of the border, where you can walk across and clear customs on foot.

By the way, for all who are interested, if the bus line you choose arrives at the Main Monterrey bus terminal downtown, on Avenida Colon, you are literally only blocks away from Hotel Plaza Del Arco. You are within about two minutes of the hotel by taxi, approximately 20 pesos. Most of the buses do arrive at the main terminal, or just a couple of blocks away from the main terminal at their own terminal facilities. But, check with your own bus company of choice just to make sure where their terminals are located. So, taking a bus to Monterrey will typically put you right downtown at ground zero, where it should only cost you between 20-30 pesos ($2-$3USD) from the bus terminal to the hotel by taxi.

If you do intend to stay at Plaza Del Arco, I advise you to make a reservation for sure. They are getting busier and busier at PDA, and they fill up quickly on weekends, especially Friday and Saturday nights. They usually empty out with more rooms typically becoming available on Sunday. But, on the weekends, they are busy with a lot of buses arriving, usually with college or high school sponsored field trip activity groups.

It's becoming quite common to see a couple of large buses parked directly in front of PDA starting on Friday night. So, if you want a room, you need to try to make a reservation. But, PDA in the past for me, has been relatively non-responsive on-line, especially if you do not write to them in Spanish. The manager, Orlando, speaks English, so you could try to contact him directly by phone to make a reservation. But, I always recommend that we keep the true nature of our activities in Monterrey as discrete as possible to preserve our priveleges in the hotels that are girlfriendly, of which PDA is one.

To answer the question about walking to the bars from Plaza Del Arco, the answer is YES! El Infinito, Matehuela, and El Cielo are all within 10-15 minutes walking distance to the West of Hotel Plaza Del Arco. In the same area as these other bars is Givenchy, Tangalay, Parthenon, numerous massage parlors, etc...There are also other numerous bars and clubs within walking distance of Plaza Del Arco in the other direction as well, some of them are slightly more expensive than the first three I mentioned, but they are acceptable in price.

You have El Extasis just about 3 blocks to the East of Plaza Del Arco, and there are a number of other bars to the East that might require the added convenience of a taxi, but you could walk to them, maybe in 20 minutos. Of course, if you are a high roller, you could easily walk to El Obsession for night entertainment, or if you are cheap like Carlos, Porker, and Myself, you could limit your visits to El Prestige and El Obsession to the afternoon buffets only. You can easily walk to El Obsession for the buffet in the afternoon, after 2pm, from Plaza Del Arco to the Northeast, maybe in about 15-20 minutes.

You could even walk to El Prestige to the West of Plaza Del Arco, but that might take you a while, maybe as much as 20-25 minutos. You can also walk to the flea markets from Plaza Del Arco, just one block North of the hotel is where the gautlet begins to the East for 4-5 blocks long. There are also two Oxxo convenience stores near Plaza Del Arco, within easy walking distance, just one block away to the Southwest, or immediately across from PDA on the corner of Pino Suarez and Madero.

The ATM is right next door to Plaza Del Arco, and there are numerous other ATMs and banks within walking distance. There is also a cambio to change your money to pesos that is relatively close, one that I've used repeatedly. It's located North of PDA on Pino Suarez on the West side of the street about 2 blocks.

I have a National City banking account, and my cost for ATM transactions seems to consistently run exactly 2% of the transaction amount, no matter which of the ATM's I use in Monterrey, and I have used several from different banks in different locations around Monterrey. In checking my past statements, I notice that even the cost of ATM as far away as Jakarta, Indonesia, seems to run me only 2% so it may depend entirely on your bank's policy.

I don't particularly like using credit cards to pay for things in foreign destinations simply because of the fraud issues that accompany that, so I usually pay cash in pesos. So, I am not sure of the transaction costs of using a credit card to pay for things in Monterrey, but I suspect it's around the same as the transaction cost for ATM usage.

MonterreyDude

09-24-06, 18:29

Hell!!!! its raining like hell today Sunday. Started around 6 am and hasn't stopped by now 12:30 pm CST.
Hope you can get through!!
Yes Velicata, Iam a local boy.
And no, sorry, It is a family Sunday for me. Have fun at the clubs.
Unspongebob has given you good info on how to manage around.
If you get to go to the Infinito before 9 pm, look for the waiter Elias (they have name tags), he speaks English and he'll help you out.

Thanks for all your help Carlos. If everything goes according to plan I'll be at the hotel tomorrow afternoon/evening.

I kind of get the impression from all your posts that you live there. Am I right? Anyway, if you're around tomorrow call me at the room and we can have a beer. My last name is Pryor.

Adios

Velicata

09-24-06, 18:48

Thanks dude. Must be the storm that came through here last night about 3am. Yeah, it was raining hard!

I think I've got enough info that I'll be okay, except for specific directions to the clubs. I'll be leaving here in about an hour, after that won't get a chance to check my mail. Could you send one of your world famous maps to my mail? It's velicata5 at the "hot" one.

Hell! Its raining like hell today Sunday. Startearound

6 am and hasn't stopped by now 12:30 pm CST.
Hope you can get through!

Yes Velicata, Iam a local boy.

And no, sorry, It is a family Sunday for me. Have fun at the clubs.

Unspongebob has given you good info on how to manage around.

If you get to go to the Infinito before 9 pm, look for the waiter Elias (they have name tags), he speaks English and he'll help you out.

Maxout

09-25-06, 08:44

Thak you UnospongeBob and Carlos. The information you provide on this board is invaluable. I have been to many places around the World and am use to a certain amount of "hustle", but I found Mexico City over the top. Bars regularly tried to spike my beer to get me drunk, waiters regularly overcharge on the bill, and if you use a credit card expect an $1,000 billed to your account. I am pleased to hear Monterrey is much more accomadating.

I will be in Monterrey today thru Thursday on business and will plan to check out the local scene. Based on your advice, I will plan to stick to the Strip Clubs this time and learn the ropes. I will be returning to Monterrey every few months and hope to try other options later.

Carlos, if you are available, I would love to buy you a few drinks at one of the Clubs and accelerate my education.

MonterreyDude

09-25-06, 17:31

Thanx for the beer...
I can only do my night rounds on Wednesday and Thursday and even then Iam in for a tight night because of my bowling night on Wednesday.
If you are available for lunch, we can meet at the Obsession or the PRestige. They are 5 star clubs that offer a great cheap lunch buffet with eye candy as dessert.
How's the idea?

Thak you UnospongeBob and Carlos. The information you provide on this board is invaluable. I have been to many places around the World and am use to a certain amount of "hustle", but I found Mexico City over the top. Bars regularly tried to spike my beer to get me drunk, waiters regularly overcharge on the bill, and if you use a credit card expect an $1,000 billed to your account. I am pleased to hear Monterrey is much more accomadating.

I will be in Monterrey today thru Thursday on business and will plan to check out the local scene. Based on your advice, I will plan to stick to the Strip Clubs this time and learn the ropes. I will be returning to Monterrey every few months and hope to try other options later.

Carlos, if you are available, I would love to buy you a few drinks at one of the Clubs and accelerate my education.

Cazzano

09-25-06, 17:47

Hi carlos,

How can i get the Mty club maps? I will be there next Friday. I hope. So I would like visit a nice club, different than the other one I went the last time (Poisson Mens).

Many thanx in advance!

If someone needs a map club from Queretaro just leave me a report.

Cheers! (b)

MonterreyDude

09-25-06, 18:55

Cazzano, please check post 795.
I hint there how to reach me.

Hi carlos,

How can i get the Mty club maps? I will be there next Friday. I hope. So I would like visit a nice club, different than the other one I went the last time (Poisson Mens).

Many thanx in advance!

If someone needs a map club from Queretaro just leave me a report.

Cheers! (b)

Doubt98

09-25-06, 22:45

I know this is not the most appropriate forum to ask this but someone here might know this. What does it cost to take a taxi from the Laredo airport to the border. Or is there a city bus that would be cheaper?

Thanks
Doubt98

Maxout

09-26-06, 01:01

Carlos,

Thursday lunch may work for me. I will let you know once my schedule firms up. I hope to see you then.

MaxOut

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Member #3453

09-26-06, 03:47

It should cost you around $20 to take a taxi from the Laredo airport to the border. Take the taxi to Bridge #1, which is the bridge you can walk across into Nuevo Laredo. I did the exact same thing last month, and I believe the taxi cost me just slightly under $20.

The taxi driver will attempt to pursuade you to allow him to take you across the border for a total of $40 from the Laredo airport. But, I recommend that you politely decline his offer, and have him drop you as close to the entrance of the bride as possible so you can walk across. If you let him take you across, it will delay you considerably because he will have to wait in traffic, etc...

There is a city bus that services the airport, and it does follow a route to the area of the main bus station in downtown Laredo, which is not too far from the border, but I've been informed that it can take a long time for the bus to run it's complete route. Plus, it only runs at certain times of the day, and everytime I've checked into the route schedule, I've found that I would otherwise be delayed quite a long time waiting for the bus to arrive at the airport, and then sitting on the bus until it completes the route around the airport before arriving downtown. Plus, if you have any amount of luggage to deal with, lugging it onto a city bus is not easy chore.

Minnesotah

09-26-06, 08:32

About the credit cards, if you pay something in a foreign currency (in a foreign country, by phone, internet...), they will convert the charged amount to the account currency. You should pay the exchange rate + maybe 2 % commission fee only. In my case, there's no extra charge. I used it to pay a meal in a Matamoros restaurant and it was done honestly.

The buses. Greyhound Lines got several coaches leaving Dallas, San Antonio and Laredo to cross the border all the way to the Nuevo Laredo main depot. On your way to the bridge, the driver will ask you, if you need to buy a tourist visa (USD 20.00 / 200 pesos), then stop at the visa booth before the customs. Also, the transfer on the Mexican bus is seamless. A dealer will board on the Greyhound bus to sell you tickets and write you the right bus number / departure time / rate as told by cb radio with its dispatcher. I used Futura and Noreste. Both are excellent. A part of my work is related to the bus industry and I have to admit the quality I observed on the Mexico bus lines is way above my expectations. Sometimes, it is better than what I saw in the U.S.! Both companies will drop you off at the main MTY station two block from PDA.

By the way, I just took a look on Greyhound website. They have 9 departures to NL per day and it is USD 7.00 one way.

Member #3453

09-26-06, 11:55

To elaborate on Minnesotah's comments about obtaining a visa, on my last visit by bus to Monterrey via Laredo, I walked across bridge #1 to the immigration office, which is immediately to the right after you cross over the bridge. I was able to obtain a 6 month visa there, and because I had pesos, I was able to go next door to the immigration office cashier, which is in the same building, just one door to the South, and pay for the visa there, no hassles.

However, I accompanied a friend of mine on one of my last trips that had to actually go to a bank in Monterrey to pay the visa fee, and I believe it was because he did not have pesos on him when he came across the border via bus. It was not a huge hassle or anything, but if you cross over the border with US Dollars only, and you want to purchase a visa, you will have to take the time to pay the visa fee at a bank in Monterrey because they do not accept US dollars at the immigration office at the border.

I am not sure if there is a fee for a shorter term tourist visa, or what the particular details might be of purchasing a visa for less than the maximum time available, which is 6 months. It may be there is no charge for a shorter term visa at the border, not sure...but, I would imagine there is a charge of some kind regardless of the length of stay.

I remember that I am never charged when entering Mexico by plane, but I usually just tell them that I will be in Mexico for 6-10 days when asked upon arrival at immigration. I believe the visa fee is probably included in the airfare, but the visa form the airline distributes is for a much shorter time period, and not for the 6 month visa.

MonterreyDude

09-26-06, 16:15

For bus transportation, please also check this website:

http://www.gruposenda.com/index.htm

Its Senda buses, first class and all the trimmings. Site includes schedules, departure cities in both Mexico and the USA.

About the credit cards, if you pay something in a foreign currency (in a foreign country, by phone, internet...), they will convert the charged amount to the account currency. You should pay the exchange rate + maybe 2 % commission fee only. In my case, there's no extra charge. I used it to pay a meal in a Matamoros restaurant and it was done honestly.

The buses. Greyhound Lines got several coaches leaving Dallas, San Antonio and Laredo to cross the border all the way to the Nuevo Laredo main depot. On your way to the bridge, the driver will ask you, if you need to buy a tourist visa (USD 20.00 / 200 pesos), then stop at the visa booth before the customs. Also, the transfer on the Mexican bus is seamless. A dealer will board on the Greyhound bus to sell you tickets and write you the right bus number / departure time / rate as told by cb radio with its dispatcher. I used Futura and Noreste. Both are excellent. A part of my work is related to the bus industry and I have to admit the quality I observed on the Mexico bus lines is way above my expectations. Sometimes, it is better than what I saw in the U.S.! Both companies will drop you off at the main MTY station two block from PDA.

By the way, I just took a look on Greyhound website. They have 9 departures to NL per day and it is USD 7.00 one way.

Money 69

09-26-06, 21:44

i have been traveling to monterrey at least once a month for 2+ years and i can point a couple things. for starters, the toll road costs exactly $185 pesos in a car each way. visa's are free up to 7 days. another side note is, if you live in houston like me, you can get a permit for your car at the consulate here and avoid the lines that most of the time at the border.

in repsonse to the concerns about transitos messing with you and having to pay them, i have never not once been stopped by a federal cop nor a transito in or on my way to monterrey, and i regularly drive 85+ on the toll road into monterrey which is significantly over the speed limit and have never been messed with. ironically in my 2+ years of traveling to monterrey only my puerto rican friend who looks hispanic had to pay off a transito. i should also point out that i am white, its obvious and have blond hair and blue eyes, my spanish is far from perfect more than enough to communicate and put sentences together, and i have been told i dont have the typical gringo accent.

so, in closing, i have been driving through mexico many times alone, the first time i was by myself i was a little concerned of being hasseled but my fears were not confirmed, and if i do get pulled over for some infraction i would rather tip him 100 pesos than pay a ticket in the us. my friend when he got pulled over was stopped because he wasnt wearing his seat belt, so its not like they stopped him for nothing, i mean you can get stopped for that here in the us.

MonterreyDude

09-27-06, 00:11

this is going to sound like stupid rethoric, but neither have i been stopped by transitos... in the daytime.
night time is another story. they are after people dui and they will stop you just because they feel like it.
unspongebob has been witness on one time. i don't drink so they let me go on the spot. wasted with the "l" guy are witness to another time whene a city crossroad was up to the brim with police stopping cars and checking the drivers.
night time is a very delicate time to drink and drive. fines here are high (1000 dlls average) if you are caught drunk at the wheel and there is zero tolerance for the rest of the alcohol levels.
in all instances your car is towed.
ok, everything mentioned here about transitos et al, comes to mind because the scene at tj is tough for guys from the states. police over there are really rough with the common folk.
not in monterrey... and many are witness to that.

i have been traveling to monterrey at least once a month for 2+ years and i can point a couple things. for starters, the toll road costs exactly $185 pesos in a car each way. visa's are free up to 7 days. another side note is, if you live in houston like me, you can get a permit for your car at the consulate here and avoid the lines that most of the time at the border.

in repsonse to the concerns about transitos messing with you and having to pay them, i have never not once been stopped by a federal cop nor a transito in or on my way to monterrey, and i regularly drive 85+ on the toll road into monterrey which is significantly over the speed limit and have never been messed with. ironically in my 2+ years of traveling to monterrey only my puerto rican friend who looks hispanic had to pay off a transito. i should also point out that i am white, its obvious and have blond hair and blue eyes, my spanish is far from perfect more than enough to communicate and put sentences together, and i have been told i dont have the typical gringo accent.

so, in closing, i have been driving through mexico many times alone, the first time i was by myself i was a little concerned of being hasseled but my fears were not confirmed, and if i do get pulled over for some infraction i would rather tip him 100 pesos than pay a ticket in the us. my friend when he got pulled over was stopped because he wasnt wearing his seat belt, so its not like they stopped him for nothing, i mean you can get stopped for that here in the us.

Minnesotah

09-27-06, 02:14

Unospongebob has just highlighted a good point about the visas and permits. In my case, they accepted USD on the spot, but I heard many stories about being required to pay the visa in pesos only or on business hours. It seems that it depends who's behind the desk. Also, the bus doesn't stop at the checkpoint when leaving the border zone. So, you won't probably be controlled after the customs and you might want to cheat on this point. I don't like to play that game, especially when you're not in your home country and not just for 20 bucks. I didn't thought to ask for a free 7-days visa, but it might worth to ask for. For your information, the 6-months visa is a hand-written carbon paper sheet printed in colors about 4"x8".

Also, if you drive a car, U.S. rented cars are generally not allowed to cross the border. If you do it by your own vehicle or RV, don't forget to remember that you need another insurance specific to Mexico (U.S. / Canadian insurances are not good in Mexico) and a temporary import permit (to keep it all the time you're in Mexico and to give them back when you leave).

To elaborate on Minnesotah's comments about obtaining a visa, on my last visit by bus to Monterrey via Laredo, I walked across bridge #1 to the immigration office, which is immediately to the right after you cross over the bridge. I was able to obtain a 6 month visa there, and because I had pesos, I was able to go next door to the immigration office cashier, which is in the same building, just one door to the South, and pay for the visa there, no hassles.

However, I accompanied a friend of mine on one of my last trips that had to actually go to a bank in Monterrey to pay the visa fee, and I believe it was because he did not have pesos on him when he came across the border via bus. It was not a huge hassle or anything, but if you cross over the border with US Dollars only, and you want to purchase a visa, you will have to take the time to pay the visa fee at a bank in Monterrey because they do not accept US dollars at the immigration office at the border.

I am not sure if there is a fee for a shorter term tourist visa, or what the particular details might be of purchasing a visa for less than the maximum time available, which is 6 months. It may be there is no charge for a shorter term visa at the border, not sure...but, I would imagine there is a charge of some kind regardless of the length of stay.

I remember that I am never charged when entering Mexico by plane, but I usually just tell them that I will be in Mexico for 6-10 days when asked upon arrival at immigration. I believe the visa fee is probably included in the airfare, but the visa form the airline distributes is for a much shorter time period, and not for the 6 month visa.

Member #3453

09-27-06, 04:19

Upon reading the amount charged to use the toll road, it occurs to me just how great a deal it is to take the bus, approximately 198 pesos each way. You save on gas, wear and tear, Mexico insurance premiums, potential transito shakedowns, plus you can sleep all the way to Monterrey.

Also, with respect to the transito issue, and no offense intended in my contradictory point of view, but the transito shakedown does exist in Monterrey, even for locals.

I have personally witnessed my Mexican business associates being stopped during the middle of the day in downtown Monterrey by transitos that were out to make some money. My local Mexican friends were stopped for no reason whatsoever, and they discretely paid the transito 50 pesos, just as though it was their normal routine. So, the phenomenon does exist with relative frequency, and it does apply to Gringos as well. I can almost guarantee that if it costs my Mexican friends 50 pesos, it would likely cost a Gringo a minimum of 100 pesos, and possibly more for the same "offense."

I don't believe Monterrey is anywhere nearly as bad as TJ based on what I've heard, but practices that are occuring all over Mexico, such as transitos stopping a "mark" to earn a little extra money, are being practiced in Monterrey as well, just as they are being practiced in every other city in Mexico. But, maybe to a lesser degree in Monterrey than TJ or the border towns.

Carlos is correct with respect to the conscientious way the transitos do DUI check points in Monterrey during the night time hours. It really isn't an issue for me because, like Carlos, I don't drink alcohol except in business situations. But, if I were a Gringo drinking alcohol in the clubs of Monterrey, or even as a Mexican Citizen, I would much rather be transported by taxi were I drinking than to run the risk of being stopped at night in my own vehicle by the transitos at a check point.

For me, a Gringo, the disadvantages of driving a vehicle around Monterrey, day or night, out-weigh the advantages of doing so. So, I stick to taxis, ride the bus down, etc...

the toll road costs exactly $185 pesos in a car each way.

Money 69

09-27-06, 04:42

Maybe I should be clear, I do not drive once I am in Monterrey, I leave my car parked at the hotel until I am leaving the city. I've seen the DUI stops but never was bothered, I was always in a taxi. On a side note, I am not worried about shakedowns, even 200 pesos will cost you 1/5 what a basic ticket here in the us costs.

In regards to driving to Monterrey, I live in Houston, and tickets to Monterrey are usually 350+ from what I have seen, what it costs me in gas to get there in a car is much cheaper than what it would cost me to fly. And another thing, you are forgetting that when you arrive in Monterrey at the airport its a flat rate to a certain zone, I rented a house in Mitras Centro for a couple months, its very close to the club area, and from the airport there was a flat 200 pesos, so theres goes you're savings on the toll road.

Member #3453

09-27-06, 12:48

Well, perhaps your individual circumstances make it reasonable for you to drive to and from Monterrey, and financially, it seems you have things arranged to make it reasonable to pay the toll charges on the highway. So, if it makes sense for you, then no argument here.

I also agree that it's not really economically practical for you to fly to Monterrey from Houston. The airfare is, for some reason, almost as much as it is for me to fly from the Midwest to Laredo.

With respect to the cost of taxis and transportation from the airport, it's costing me 240 pesos from the airport to El Centro now. It has gone up over the past year from 210 pesos to 240 pesos. So, in my case, with the bus delivering me directly to El Centro for the amount of the bus fare, I just can't beat it.

But, my own personal aversion to driving in Mexico also has a lot to do specifically with how my Gringo status might be handled by the legal system within Mexico were I to get in an accident. The hassles associated with getting into an accident in Mexico are formidable, even for a Mexican citizen, and especially for a Gringo from another country. Like you said, the transito payments are just a bothersome minor issue, and not really that expensive.

But, that having been said, for me, there is a distinct difference in principle between paying a fine, for what is usually a valid and genuine violation of the law in the US, something you can easily avoid by driving safely, versus having to make graft payments just for the privilege of driving the roadways in Mexico, where violation of the law is nothing more than a "reason" to extract money from the victim, be they of Mexican or Gringo origin. What makes it difficult is that there is really no way you can consciously avoid the transito graft payments by merely driving as safely as possible and obeying their traffic laws.

It's interesting that you rent a house in Metras Central. It would be interesting to hear more about it, quality of accomodation, cost, etc... do tell.

Maybe I should be clear, I do not drive once I am in Monterrey, I leave my car parked at the hotel until I am leaving the city. I've seen the DUI stops but never was bothered, I was always in a taxi. On a side note, I am not worried about shakedowns, even 200 pesos will cost you 1/5 what a basic ticket here in the us costs.

In regards to driving to Monterrey, I live in Houston, and tickets to Monterrey are usually 350+ from what I have seen, what it costs me in gas to get there in a car is much cheaper than what it would cost me to fly. And another thing, you are forgetting that when you arrive in Monterrey at the airport its a flat rate to a certain zone, I rented a house in Mitras Centro for a couple months, its very close to the club area, and from the airport there was a flat 200 pesos, so theres goes you're savings on the toll road.

MonterreyDude

09-27-06, 16:50

"It's interesting that you rent a house in Metras Central. It would be interesting to hear more about it, quality of accomodation, cost, etc... do tell."

Housing for rent in Monterrey is expensive.
You've seen the expensive side of Monterrey in hotel rates. Look at what the PDA charges on a nightly basis.
We have a Hampton Inn (near Plaza Real) that charges 90 dlls per night. a HAMPTON INN for Christ sake!!!.
And so on and so on...

Well, perhaps your individual circumstances make it reasonable for you to drive to and from Monterrey, and financially, it seems you have things arranged to make it reasonable to pay the toll charges on the highway. So, if it makes sense for you, then no argument here.

I also agree that it's not really economically practical for you to fly to Monterrey from Houston. The airfare is, for some reason, almost as much as it is for me to fly from the Midwest to Laredo.

With respect to the cost of taxis and transportation from the airport, it's costing me 240 pesos from the airport to El Centro now. It has gone up over the past year from 210 pesos to 240 pesos. So, in my case, with the bus delivering me directly to El Centro for the amount of the bus fare, I just can't beat it.

But, my own personal aversion to driving in Mexico also has a lot to do specifically with how my Gringo status might be handled by the legal system within Mexico were I to get in an accident. The hassles associated with getting into an accident in Mexico are formidable, even for a Mexican citizen, and especially for a Gringo from another country. Like you said, the transito payments are just a bothersome minor issue, and not really that expensive.

But, that having been said, for me, there is a distinct difference in principle between paying a fine, for what is usually a valid and genuine violation of the law in the US, something you can easily avoid by driving safely, versus having to make graft payments just for the privilege of driving the roadways in Mexico, where violation of the law is nothing more than a "reason" to extract money from the victim, be they of Mexican or Gringo origin. What makes it difficult is that there is really no way you can consciously avoid the transito graft payments by merely driving as safely as possible and obeying their traffic laws.

It's interesting that you rent a house in Metras Central. It would be interesting to hear more about it, quality of accomodation, cost, etc... do tell.

Money 69

09-27-06, 21:39

I should also point out that I always have insurance, I dont drive in Mexico without insurance because quite simply I wouldnt want anyone from Mexico to hit me here and not be abiding by our insurance requirement laws so I dont do it there.

In regards to the house in Mitras Centro, it was on a street called Hermosillo, the intersection was Hermosillo and Simon Bolivar, theres a rotunda there where the KFC is. Anyway, cost was 8000pesos a month, roughly 3000sqft with 5 bedrooms, it was unfurnished so I had to buy beds and crap for it.

Well, perhaps your individual circumstances make it reasonable for you to drive to and from Monterrey, and financially, it seems you have things arranged to make it reasonable to pay the toll charges on the highway. So, if it makes sense for you, then no argument here.

I also agree that it's not really economically practical for you to fly to Monterrey from Houston. The airfare is, for some reason, almost as much as it is for me to fly from the Midwest to Laredo.

With respect to the cost of taxis and transportation from the airport, it's costing me 240 pesos from the airport to El Centro now. It has gone up over the past year from 210 pesos to 240 pesos. So, in my case, with the bus delivering me directly to El Centro for the amount of the bus fare, I just can't beat it.

But, my own personal aversion to driving in Mexico also has a lot to do specifically with how my Gringo status might be handled by the legal system within Mexico were I to get in an accident. The hassles associated with getting into an accident in Mexico are formidable, even for a Mexican citizen, and especially for a Gringo from another country. Like you said, the transito payments are just a bothersome minor issue, and not really that expensive.

But, that having been said, for me, there is a distinct difference in principle between paying a fine, for what is usually a valid and genuine violation of the law in the US, something you can easily avoid by driving safely, versus having to make graft payments just for the privilege of driving the roadways in Mexico, where violation of the law is nothing more than a "reason" to extract money from the victim, be they of Mexican or Gringo origin. What makes it difficult is that there is really no way you can consciously avoid the transito graft payments by merely driving as safely as possible and obeying their traffic laws.

It's interesting that you rent a house in Metras Central. It would be interesting to hear more about it, quality of accomodation, cost, etc... do tell.

Porker

09-29-06, 10:02

Autobuses Americano (and Turimex, and El Conejo) will leave you at the Main Bus Station, which is a mere 2-3 blocks from the action that centers around Madero/Villagran.

USB, not sure why you're paying p240 from the airport? That's outRAGEOUS, and I thought the 210 I paid before was bad (it's 190 if you're leaving from Centro going TO the airport, or, at least, WAS 6 mos. ago).

BTW, there's a city bus that runs between Centro and within a mile of the airport in "Apodaca". Costs like 6 pesos each way. If you walk the ~ 1/2 mile from the airport to the nearest intersection, you can get a taxi to take you to the nearest bus stop for less than a buck. The local bus takes about 45 minutes to get you to/from Centro. ~about 20 minutes more than the ripoff taxi service...

Member #3453

09-29-06, 11:49

Yeah, I can always get a taxi from El Centro to the airport for 200 pesos, but if you use the taxis from the airport to El Centro, the cost has escalated over the last couple of months. I didin't realize that I could get it for 190 pesos on the return trip, so I'll try offering that amount on my next trip.

The last couple of times I took a taxi from the airport, I noticed the price of taxis had escalated, first 220 pesos, then 230 pesos, and last time it was 240 pesos. I always use the service that's available from inside the airport, the ones where there are only a few "airport" sanctioned taxis. So, maybe that's the problem.

That is interesting about the city bus option, but with my typical amount of luggage, it would be hard to walk the 1/2 mile to utilize the city bus instead. So far, transportation to and from the airport has not been an issue for me, as I am saving considerably on airfare by flying into Laredo and using the bus service, even after paying the cost of taxis to and from the border from the Laredo airport, plus the bus fare.

Autobuses Americano (and Turimex, and El Conejo) will leave you at the Main Bus Station, which is a mere 2-3 blocks from the action that centers around Madero/Villagran.

USB, not sure why you're paying p240 from the airport? That's outRAGEOUS, and I thought the 210 I paid before was bad (it's 190 if you're leaving from Centro going TO the airport, or, at least, WAS 6 mos. ago).

BTW, there's a city bus that runs between Centro and within a mile of the airport in "Apodaca". Costs like 6 pesos each way. If you walk the ~ 1/2 mile from the airport to the nearest intersection, you can get a taxi to take you to the nearest bus stop for less than a buck. The local bus takes about 45 minutes to get you to/from Centro. ~about 20 minutes more than the ripoff taxi service...

Member #3453

10-01-06, 18:44

i arrived again last night in monterrey, and visited el infinito around 9:30pm. carlos had informed me that my girlfriend was still very angry with me, not wanting to see me anymore. so, his suggestion was for me to re-visit el infinito, and to merely say hello, give her a cookie, and let things be. he had apparently talked to her on my behalf, and she had left him with a very distinct impression that she was still very angry with me, and that perhaps it was permenantly over between us.

this, all because i had made a quick comment to her indicating that i was not a fool, and that i believed that she wanted me for my money. but, in this exchange with carlos, she also indicated to him that i had too many other girlfriends, suggesting to him that i see one of the other girls working there instead.

she specifically suggested that i see one girl in particular by name, one that i had purposefully been publicly paying a lot of attention to after my "angry girl" had dumped me, primarily for the purpose of my playing the "jealousy/loss of income" angle to wake up "angry girl" to the potential consequences of her maintaining her current attitude.

so, last night, i merely walked in front of "angry girl," we both saw one another, i smiled very slightly, and walked past her, not acknowledging her with a greeting. she just had a smirk on her face, as if to say, "you worthless piece of crap," hahahaha!!! so, i sat down across the room, away from her, gawked at the girls, and left after about a half hour. i did not see her the rest of the night.

but here is the thing...my advisors, peers that i highly respect, and whose advice i agree with, are always quick to point out that the girls are all only in it for the money. so, imagine my surprise when "angry girl" maintains this same attitude over the course of two visits, deciding instead to forget entirely about the money, but seemingly only wanting the emotional gratification of the resulting "power play" that comes with the control of the "relationship."

the entire attitude that "angry girl" has adopted sounds hauntingly more familiar to me as being reminiscent of a legitimate girlfriend/boyfriend relationship, versus the conventional wisdom of my handlers in monterrey, that she is only one of the many girls that are more concerned about money.

"angry girl's" position sounds more to me like a girl that is really quite jealous over my wanderings, and more like a girl that is angry that i don't believe that she might actually have had some genuine "serious" affection for me.

with "angry girl" always representing to me that she "does nothing" in the privados, it's almost like i was angry girl's "legitimization fantasy," that somehow, between us, there was something more than what i would have ever expected to exist, like she was imagining herself as something other than an ordinary hooker. it's like she believes that between us, there was a different kind of relationship than what she is used to within the confines of her job, and that by my bringing up the realties of her chosen profession in conversation with her, it caused her legitimizing "good girl" fantasy bubble to literally burst.

i have also considered that this girl has "gringo savior" aspirations, and that once the "saving gringo" articulated his disbelieve in her sincerity, she no longer found it necessary to continue the act.

is it possible that she actually became offended because she thought of our times together as something more sincere? for my part, frankly, my demonstrated affections for her were sincere. but, on the flip side, maybe this is just another demonstration of yet another female engaged in implementing the common "power play" that all women get off on?

personally, i sense there is legitimacy to all three scenarios. but, either way, if any of these scenarios be the case, "power play" only, versus "boyfriend/girlfriend jealousy plus saving gringo aspirations," then it's possible that the widely held "it's all about money" wisdom, and the accompanying commonly held strategy for that syndrome, is flawed.

if my conclusions are valid, then the girls, at least in monterrey, are not, therefore, all in it for just the money. except, of course, the "saving gringo" scenario could indicate that she is a very intellegent girl, and that her strategy was orginally linked to executive long term planning with respect to "money."

but, the bottom line is, if this is something other than money, then there must be an unconventional tactic that must be used to remedy the situation, something other than the standard tactic used to bring "money-motivated" girls back to the fold. what is the best strategy under this set of circumstances? so far, ignoring her isn't really working. paying attention to a rival girl isn't working either. i haven't tried throwing money at the situation yet either, but i sense that would only make her more angry.

carlos has wisely recommended a cooling off period...and presently, i have no alternative but continue to be ignored by her, and to reciprocate in kind.

but, what say you?????

Lion Killer

10-01-06, 21:36

As always Uno #1 Bob your eloquient in your reports. My 2 cents is thats its both a money and jealous thing that does relate to the more common American *****.

She wants you but she does not want you because you now want another. She wants ur money but will deprive herself from taking ur money to show you she does not want you.

They are a complicated species whether they are American, Mexican, Costa Rican, Jamaican, Thai, Filipina, Honduran, Belizean, Columbian or what ever. They are basically the same. They want you, but do not want you if want another, but if you want another then they want you, but do not want you.

LK

Member #3453

10-02-06, 01:07

precisely my take on the situation lk. we both set-up a catch 22 situation that i believe backfired on both of us, one that neither of us anticipated. when she decided to make the power play by cutting me off, sexually, verbally, etc...she failed to recognize that i might act on my other options.

when i introduced another girl into the scenario, it served as a catalyst to make her even more angry, and to shift the focus and escalate her anger to an entirely different plane. but, i believe that it not only made her more angry, but it also introduced all the sociological issues having to do with ego, pride, reputation with peers, etc...things that, had i been wiser, i might have possibly avoided as catalytic effects on the overall situation had i not introduced another girl into the scenario right away.

there is a certain misplaced pride that is part of the psyche of all bar girls, a warped nourishment to their ego. their perceived popularity as compared with their peers provides a boost to their self proclaimed status, to know they are desired by their clients, desired over and above other girls. when i upped the anti by introducing the other girl into the scenario, it directly challenged her position within her peer group, which also probably forced her to take a hardened position to salvage her ego and pride.

money makes the world go around, so to assume that money is not a factor in the totality of the circumstances would be naive on my part. but, i believe, at least from her general reactions, that she has proven to me that money was not part of her conscious thought process where i am concerned, and she seems to have proven her point that money did not directly motivate her spontaneous affections for me. it is comforting to know that a girl wants to actually be with you, and that the money might just be the icing on the cake for her. too bad i had to find out the hard way, right?

frankly, i am not so naive in my assumptions that typical bar girls are of high psychological intelligence, and/or that they possess exceptional political/diplomatic skills, and/or that they usually possess superior logic and introspective reasoning abilities. so, unless the two of us can somehow find a way where she can forgive me while simultaneously salvaging her ego and her pride, i doubt things will change for the better.

i am not keeping my fingers crossed because i would have severe finger cramps waiting for the amount of time that this kind of miraculous transition might require in order to fix the situation, especially if waiting on the "brilliance" of the typical bar girl to kick-in. so, only time will tell...

El Cabron 007

10-02-06, 04:15

I just erased my page-long comment.

I'll summarize: You're too emotional and you are being played by a pro. Move on.

Wasted

I am NOT keeping my fingers crossed because I would have severe finger cramps waiting for the amount of time that this kind of miraculous transition might require in order to fix the situation, especially if waiting on the "brilliance" of the typical bar girl to kick-in. So, only time will tell...

MonterreyDude

10-02-06, 05:39

Unospongebob has been told that again and again.
I'll horse-whip him tomorrow for you.

I just erased my page-long comment.

I'll summarize: You're too emotional and you are being played by a pro. Move on.

Wasted

Doubt98

10-02-06, 15:20

IMHO, I believe angry girl probably does like you or she wouldn't spend that amount of time with you. But...she is still in it for the money and doesn't want to share. She is going for a big roll of the dice and is setting you up to make a decision between her and the other girls. All she is doing is gambling that she will win.
Just remember how much time you spend in that bar compared to her. In the grand scheme of things, you are only a small percentage of her income. If she wins she gets all your mongering money (she thinks). If Angry Girl loses she just spends the time with someone else.

Again, just 2 cents of my humble opinion.

Member #3453

10-02-06, 15:55

I agree completely with your assessment Doubt98, and your's is much more succinctly put than my excessive ramblings :-)

So, guys, what, if any, should be my next move? I know where some of you stand, but there is little profit in moving on, ignoring her completely, unless that is part of the overall strategic methodology to a successful conclusion.

I am a mischeivious monger, preferring to stir the shit if it will hasten my desired result. The fun of the hunt, and all that rot...Remember, I am the monger terrorizing the girls with my pocket rocket. So, fun, drama, and otherwise exceptional mongering experiences is the name of the game.

But, on the other hand, if ignoring her along with bar fining other girls, and showing obvious attention to her competition will allow me to prevail, then that's the tactic I will use, and have been using.

Under normal circumstances, I might believe that ignoring her would be the proper tactic. But, this girl is definitely a different breed. She may require unconventional methods.

IMHO, I believe angry girl probably does like you or she wouldn't spend that amount of time with you. But...she is still in it for the money and doesn't want to share. She is going for a big roll of the dice and is setting you up to make a decision between her and the other girls. All she is doing is gambling that she will win.
Just remember how much time you spend in that bar compared to her. In the grand scheme of things, you are only a small percentage of her income. If she wins she gets all your mongering money (she thinks). If Angry Girl loses she just spends the time with someone else.

Again, just 2 cents of my humble opinion.

Money 69

10-02-06, 17:09

Having read your other posts, Im going to try and tell as best as I can explain what I think. For starters, why does it matter? I've read your other posts and you seem pretty smart, there are instances when you really seem like you know how these women operate, from reading your previous posts and asking what you should do it seems as if her game has already broken you down somewhat. Why else would you be asking what to do when a prostitute is no longer talking to you? I agree with the poster that said that most prostitutes are incapable of having an emotional relationship.

Now, Im not saying that you're in love with her, but why care, if for some reason she quits talking to you, who cares, I mean seriously, when I goto various massage parlors or to a strip club, I dont want to be with the same woman twice. I would not be surprised that her whole emotional act is just that, an act.

To her, its probably like playing the lotto, shes looking for the big score. As was stated earlier, women like men who they know can be with other women, the idea that she wouldnt talk to you anymore because you've started talking to another woman is crazy, of course she will, especially if she likes you, if you're just another customer and she doesnt care then she'll probably just find a new customer.

In the 2+ years I've had a g/f in Monterrey besides me obviously paying when we go out or to the club, she has never asked me for money, nor would she accept it. Even when I offer to pay for her cab home when she leaves my hotel she doesnt accept the money.

In closing, I'll tell you a story I find funny. When I was in Colombia about 2 years ago I was speaking to an American I met down there in Medellin. She was a doctor from Virginia and he went on and on and on complaining about his ex-wife and what a ***** she was etc. Supposedly he walked in on her fucking some guy that worked at one of his business's that he owned on the back counch. Anyway, he went on complaining for 10mins or so saying all this shit about her and then at the end the truth comes out and he had met her while in El Salvador at a ***** house? For starters, who marries a *****? and from El Salvador at that? And then he wonders why.

So, in closing, I want to say a couple closing comments on latin women in general. I have been dating latin women exclusively for probably the last 10+ years, which is alot for me because I am young. Anyway, I was with a colombian girl for probably 6 years or so, another for like 1.5 years and various other girls in between. I've dated girls from Mexico, Cuba, Colombia, Nicaragua, Puerto Rico and a couple other countries that slip my mind now. So, in this time I've learned a couple things about them. Let me start off that saying that most latin women have an ideal of what they think an American guy is, usually we are perceived to be more loyal and not cheaters, perhaps more passive than latin men. So, with this stereotype sometimes they think they can get away with more than they would try with a hispanic man. So, in closing, make sure you wear the pants in this deal, if you come out of this still talking to her and are perceived the be the loser by her on this than it will only be alot more of the same in the future, you have to set her straight now because otherwise it will be an excuse for her to run over you.

After all, we're talking about a prostitute here, if you quit talking to her all together its no big deal, lets face it, we're not talking about a girl whos been a g/f that you've been with for many years. Anyway, good luck, I look forward to meeting you sometime in the future and let us know how it turns out.

I agree completely with your assessment Doubt98, and your's is much more succinctly put than my excessive ramblings :-)

So, guys, what, if any, should be my next move? I know where some of you stand, but there is little profit in moving on, ignoring her completely, unless that is part of the overall strategic methodology to a successful conclusion.

I am a mischeivious monger, preferring to stir the shit if it will hasten my desired result. The fun of the hunt, and all that rot...Remember, I am the monger terrorizing the girls with my pocket rocket. So, fun, drama, and otherwise exceptional mongering experiences is the name of the game.

But, one the other hand, if ignoring her along with bar fining other girls, and showing obvious attention to her competition will allow me to prevail, then that's the tactic I will use, and have been using.

Under normal circumstances, I might believe that ignoring her would be the proper tactic. But, this girl is definitely a different breed. She may require unconventional methods.

Member #3453

10-03-06, 00:07

Hola Money69...thanks for the 2 cents...appreciate it. Please don't read too much into my posts...especially that I am in any way emotionally distraught over the circumstances.

Whatever I choose to do in the situation doesn't really matter a bit. I agree with you. But, what the hell, there ain't much being posted on the Monterrey section anyway on a day to day basis. So, when I find myself in a scenario such as this, I report it as foder for the board. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate the comments I receive back. Fact is, I enjoy your responses very much, and your responses keep me reacting with the wisdom of many an experienced monger.

But, bottom line, whatever happens in this scenario isn't really going to effect my life one bit. But, there isn't much to do during the off times here in Monterrey, so I solicit commentary from you all on whatever little drama I find myself involved in.

But...I do find this particular hooker's approach to be unconventional, the contemplation of which I do find intellectually interesting, and frankly, somewhat baffling.

Lion Killer

10-03-06, 00:44

Guys really, Spongebob is totally in control of his situation. As he writes, its not an emotional thing. He is not in love, he will not let himself be in love with the hookers.

He is a true monger as I am, he loves the hunt, the chase, the conquest, the actual capture of the prey. He caught a Cheetah that turned left instead of turning right during the chase. Now he wonders why the Cheetah turned left when she should by all standards have turned right.

He is not about to fall back to hunt her again, but its a monger querry, why, thats all it is, why did she turn left when she should have turned rigth, thats all it is guys, just honest curiosity. Don't make any more of if than it is.

Dammit, I now have 4 cents in this conversation.

LK

El Cabron 007

10-03-06, 01:13

Reading last post from Uno bob, I can relate when I had the "D" girl. She lived with me the entire time I would be in MTY. She only left to go to work, if at all. At the end of my trip, I would pay her 3000 and she was happy. Loved me like crazy and would get 'angry' if she finds out I went to another club.

My extras were witnessing her die in my arms a couple of times and I had to revive her, pump her stomach or call one of her friends to help out. A tragedy Bob has been lucky, at least as far as I know, not ot have lived through.

OK Bob. You make finaincial and monger sense even to me, the bigginer.

Besides, Uno Bob is the only one who shares, fully shares, his experiences vivdly as if we are watching it on TV or actually living it with him. Not boring and definiatly stirs our emotions. Unlike me, I would not share too much. Bob is the only one. He hits notes I am too ashamed to admit, such as looking at the young girls here in USA and thinking of how I could never have such a crunchy girl unless I am in MTY. That was the only post I'd seen here and he is so correct. While I am too ashamed to even admit it to myself. And now this "Angry Gril" delima.

Keep it coming uno bob dude and stay away from my girls. Oh, yeah, and I have about 7 of them at the "I" place now so watch your step.

Wasted

Guys really, Spongebob is totally in control of his situation. As he writes, its not an emotional thing. He is not in love, he will not let himself be in love with the hookers.

He is a true monger as I am, he loves the hunt, the chase, the conquest, the actual capture of the prey. He caught a Cheetah that turned left instead of turning right during the chase. Now he wonders why the Cheetah turned left when she should by all standards have turned right.

He is not about to fall back to hunt her again, but its a monger querry, why, thats all it is, why did she turn left when she should have turned rigth, thats all it is guys, just honest curiosity. Don't make any more of if than it is.

Dammit, I now have 4 cents in this conversation.

LK

Lion Killer

10-03-06, 01:43

Thank you for chiming in. We have met (You and I) I hope to meet Uno #1 Sponge Bob one day. As he speaks, some guys take his writing to heart thinking he is so much ingrossed in love, they do not see the forest for the tree's. Not true guys. He is in total control of his emotions.

Enjoy Uno #1 Sponge Bob's writing, he is interesting in what he writes. Don't write anymore into it than he does.

Dammit, now I am into it for 6 cents.

LK

Member #3453

10-03-06, 02:01

Ok guys, thanks for the "Understanding." I wish I could keep the drama from coming, but somehow, I think angry girl will not let you down.

Actually, Wastedgman, I am headed over to El Infinito right now...I have your girls in my sites. I am taking my "Famous Rasta's" Cookies over there now, which we all know are perceived as "Love Potion #9.5" (NO SHIT!!! REALLY!).

BUT!!! Angry Girl actually had the intestinal fortitude to turn them down last time I was in Monterrey because she was doing her angry at the nasty unappreciative Gringo act.

I told her to "PLEASE, take them...for your nino, mi amor." But, she just shook her head, not wanting to accept anything from me, not even a mere batch of my delicious, scrumdidlyumcious home made cookies, offered in total and complete benevelent friendship, cookies she had purposefully asked me to supply in abundance not 24 hours earlier, prior to her fit....and, I know how much her nino LOVES those cookies. So, you see, my evaluatons of her are valid, she is also a BAD freakin' mother as well, verdad!!!

El Cabron 007

10-03-06, 02:11

I remember you .. very well..

But I have grown since we met. I was on my 2nd or, at most, 3rd trip to MTY then. If you could only see me now. No one can keep up with me. Not even the girls.

But wait? if you call now ....

You have not met Uno Bob yet? He is a sweetheart and makes killer cookies. I sometimes fight the girls for his cookies. And lately, he hand-makes the most beautiful bracelets for the girls. And yes, I took one from him and gave it to one of my girls. You can only conclude that the girl is the loser when it comes Uno Bob.

I believe Uno Bob is a major part of the MTY experience. If you've been following his stories, and it sounds like you have, you'd know what I mean. Girls are always asking me "¿dónde está su amigo con las lentillas?" or "¿dónde está su amigo con las galletas?" or something like that. And sometimes they turn out to be one of Carlos's new girls ... ouch. But oh what fun!

Wasted

Thank you for chiming in. We have met (You and I) I hope to meet Uno #1 Sponge Bob one day. As he speaks, some guys take his writing to heart thinking he is so much ingrossed in love, they do not see the forest for the tree's. Not true guys. He is in total control of his emotions.

Enjoy Uno #1 Sponge Bob's writing, he is interesting in what he writes. Don't write anymore into it than he does.

Dammit, now I am into it for 6 cents.

LK

Lion Killer

10-03-06, 04:00

Thanks, we will meet again my friend. Right now I am booked this year. Heading back to Curacao and Belize in November, New Orleans & Wisconsin in December.

You are a full blown monger now, I am respectful to that. Keep in touch and for sure lets hook up, you, Larry, Carlos and myself early next year. Take care mi amigos, adios.

LK

Minnesotah

10-03-06, 07:44

About Uno's experience with angry girl, I don't want to interfere in someone else business. I would only suggest to remember they might prostitutes, but women too. So, women talk a lot between them and getting bad references in your back might not be a good thing for your next projects. As everyone, I would like to stay in good terms with everybody, but if a girl would give a sh*tload in a business relation, she would lose that business of mine. Mixing emotions and money is never really recommended. "In business, You have no friend." says the expression. In truth, it is hard to respect all the time. About ignoring someone, my ex and I ignored each other for over 3 months when working over 40 hours per week in the same workplace. So, it can be a long game to play. I hope that it can help you.

Member #3453

10-03-06, 14:28

hola minnesotah, thanks for the reply and the advice, wisely given.

i visited el infinito again last night to see if a couple of my other girlfriends might be working. i did find the girl that i had been using to make angry girl jealous, "replacement girl." angry girl told carlos "i could just go ahead and take (replacement girl) on salida instead." angry girl was not working last night by the way.

anyway, "replacement girl" agreed to meet me outside of el infinito on martes for 850 pesos, no salida, and she promised to stay from 5pm to 11pm. that's a damn good offer, imho. 850 pesos converts to $77usd. so, think of it...that's around $12 an hour. i can't get somebody to cut my freakin' grass for $12 an hour, hahahah!!! well, seriously, i think i can get someone to cut my grass for less than that, but they won't "wipe my windshield," or "clean my pipes," ...you get my drift?

with regard to minnesota's comments about "women talking a lot between themselves," i totally hear you with respect to the potential downside to possibly developing a negative wrap as a result of angry girl talking trash to the other girls.

but, the difference here is that so many of the other girls already know me quite well. last night's visit to el infinito demonstrated to me that the vultures are ready to pounce. the word seems to be out that i am possibly available for the taking, and there seems to be a peaked interest in making a play to pick me up as a new client. plus, all the girls know the score, that i am a social butterfly, flitting from one little flower to the next, sucking up the sweet necktars, enjoying the variety, first a petunia, then a daphodile, then a tulip, and on and on, hahaha!!! they have no illusions that i am going to be a "one girl" client.

however, in the past, the girls seemed to accept the idea that my preference was for angry girl, and so their efforts to sway me away from her were publicly minimized, but apparent, although in a publicly subdued manner. sometimes, once the girls see that one of their peers has a steady client, they are reluctant to overtly throw themselves at that girl's client, for fear that they will be creating a potentially confrontational environment in the work place.

if you are spoken for, the girls seem disciplined about how they go about their persuasive acts, to make sure that you, the client, overtly do the choosing to make a change, and not through any overly aggressive, publicly displayed, effort to steal you away. but, it is in the privados that the girls pull out all the stops, where they have significantly more privacy to work their womanly ways on you without the political fallout that would otherwise come from your "steady" seeing you patronizing them.

i seem now to have the pick of any of the girls, without restraint from their end, any that i might choose to take on salida, or meet outside for less money and no salida. my only restriction is my own sense of loyalty not to tread on my amigo's girlfriends, a personal policy i have loyally, steadfastingly, held to in the face of considerable temptation, hahaha!!!

angry girl does not seem to be talking trash to the other girls about me, with the exception of mentioning something to "replacement girl," mentioning to her that i bar fine angry girl "all the time," in a seemingly obvious attempt to put "replacement girl" on some kind of notice to stay away. or, perhaps angry girl has some kind of misguided impression that these girls, her peers, would be repulsed by the idea that i am already regularly bar fining her, angry girl. how could she be thinking that? these girls fuck anybody for money in the privados. what is this, high school? no, i think she already knows that if she would be talking trash to the other girls, that it would make her look really dumb. she would be merely preaching trash to the converted chior.

it would be very difficult for "angry girl" to prosper by preaching trash to a bunch of girls that seem eager to take her place. i don't mean that to sound self congratulatory, or to imply that i have an inflated opionion of my own appeal or worth. but, the bottom line is that these girls are in business, and who wouldn't like the opportunity to make money if, apparently, it is entirely their pleasure to do so.

this is why angry girl's methodologies do not seem consistent with the typical bar girl, and they appear to be more a result of some kind of warped bar girl version of female emotional pride and control, which is not so uncharacteristic of most bar girls. but, what is uncharacteristic is her manner of strategy to solidify her position with me from a business perspective. and, she's is not that popular with the mexican clientelle in the club.

she does not really have a significant following among the mexican clients, so the idea that she can easily find others to take the place of a comparatively wealthy, regularly spending....uh, "trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, kind, couteous, brave, clean and reverent," gringo contributor is not her optional reality. oh sorry, my boyscout days creeping in there somehow :0

she is either a very poor business woman, or their is some kind of emotional element to this whole sceanrio, one i had not seen coming in advance of what i thought were otherwise meaningless, apparently offensive, comments that i have made in the past to countless other bar girls in jest. i certainly never expected her to be offended by comments that i am almost certain she must have heard 1000 times before from many clients, especially mexican machismo clientelle. how could a bar girl have such a thin skin?

i enjoy speculating at a little armchair psychology, and i theorize that the job itself is getting to her, that she harbors deep resentments for the job itself, her clientelle, her need to work in such a profession, and/or all of the above. she works at a regular job all week, full time, has a little baby boy at home, and literally gets about 4 hours of sleep a night.

think of it...every fuckin' night, coming to work in that environment, the loud obnoxious music, the obnoxious loud ass dj's, the groping clients, the drunks, the late hours, the filthy work environment. frankly, i actually am beginning to think she is cracking. she shows signs of post tramatic stress syndrome (ptss), but not from a critical incident, but from months of constant stress. as i said before, the cracks started to show up after she was on the job for six months. what a damned shame...

so, basically, on monday night, i merely visited all the clubs, did a few privados, conserved my cash for the outcall potential that will present itself on tuesday, wednesday, and thursday night.

if it seems that my exploits are somewhat curtailed, seemingly as a result of the drama going on with angry girl, it is actually more a matter of my need to conserve funds, and get the best bang for the buck. business is slow for me these days, and my fun has to be curtailed somewhat to engage in this endeavor. so, on this trip, and until the business climate loosens up a little, i am making an effort at being more conservative while here.

so, my nightly exploits consist lately of relatively tame endeavors compared to some past reports, during which, in more prosperous times, i was able to bar fine the girls every night, take more chances with choice at the risk of potential disappointment, etc...

the next couple of nights should have a little more detail. i will try to keep the drama to a minimum and report whatever i might gleen from the experiences if i ascertain anything exceptional ,informative, or interesting. but, with all females, there is always the potential for significant drama, no matter whether you are dealing with hookers or good girls.

wish me luck!!!

about uno's experience with angry girl, i don't want to interfere in someone else business. i would only suggest to remember they might prostitutes, but women too. so, women talk a lot between them and getting bad references in your back might not be a good thing for your next projects. as everyone, i would like to stay in good terms with everybody, but if a girl would give a sh*tload in a business relation, she would lose that business of mine. mixing emotions and money is never really recommended. "in business, you have no friend." says the expression. in truth, it is hard to respect all the time. about ignoring someone, my ex and i ignored each other for over 3 months when working over 40 hours per week in the same workplace. so, it can be a long game to play. i hope that it can help you.

Member #3453

10-04-06, 15:02

One word....Buenisimo!!!

But, while I had fully intended to have my "replacement girl" from El Infinito come over to the hotel around 5pm, I was not able to get directly in touch with her. I did speak to her mama, and she told me she was feeling inferma, and to please call her back a little later.

I recall that replacement girl was telling me on the previous day in the privados how she had a lot of pain in her lower legs and specifically in her ankles. She would rub them, complain to me how they hurt, etc...I wasn't really sure why she had the problem, maybe too much dancing, twisted ankle or something, maybe her shoes, I don't know.

When the girls start to get into that kind of descriptive detail in Spanish, I am totally frickin' lost. But, suffice it to say, she was hurting in the lower extremities. So, when I called and talked to her mama, her mama told me she was feeling mala, and she was apparently asleep. I called her around 5:30pm, and I decided then that to delay the process by waiting might be counter-productive, and if she wasn't feeling good, then I figured that I might be wiser to wait.

And, the truth is, while I like "replacement girl," she doesn't really send me over the edge. She will do fine in a pinch, but there really isn't quite the connection that I like between me and my favorite girls. Something is just illusively missing that I can't put my finger on.

Frankly, and I know this will sound conceited on my part, but I almost think there is some kind of intellectual, sociological, or cultural gulf that exists between us. Some girls are just more stimulating to me intellectually than others. She has all the fine traits that I like as far as being outwardly affectionate. She stands with me sometimes for 20 minutes on the floor at Infinito with her arms around me, carressing me, hugging me, just hanging out with me, rambling on to me incessently about who knows what, and just generally being my "buddy." She really seems pretty fond of me, and it's almost like she feels pretty close to me. There is a familiarity there that would otherwise be great to build on, but somehow, I think the glass is half empty instead of half full with respect to the building blocks needed to make her a "favorita."

Maybe it's a class thing too...she is definitely of the poorer class, and probably has limited education. Of course, she is also quite young too. She is not a stupid girl. But, I sense I am dealing with an individual who does not really "understand" me as a male, and I don't mean with respect to language. Does that make sense? It is sort of like she is a young girl that knows she can get a man off, but perhaps does not really understand the difference between what it takes to get you off, and what it takes to send you to the moon. She just doesn't stimulate me beyond sex, which is not something many of you will understand, but it is definitely a component to having a good experience versus a "buenisimo" kind of experience.

Sometimes when you throw all those factors together there is less of a connection for me when comparing some girls to others. I guess it all boils down to chemistry, and it's either there or it isn't. But, in the final analysis, for me, chemistry is as important an element to the overall experience, and it has a direct effect on the satisfation one can expect from P4P sex.

I will still see replacement girl for fun, and I will enjoy her company, but there is more available out there if one can locate it. Plus, if money is tight, you have to look for, and procure the best bang for the buck, or you are better off conserving your funds for a day when you will find the better alternative. That's my take on being discriminating in your taste and in your selection process.

See, I told you guys I was very discriminating, probably to a fault. But, replacement girl and I have some chemistry, but not to the extent that I have said chemistry with other girls. If you don't know what I mean by all this psychobabel, then your preferences are thankfully not as debilitatingly restrictive as my own. Thank God for small favors, right!

So, as a consequence to this thought process, I choose to implement plan B.

You always have to have a Plan B in Monterrey. There are just too many instances where your best laid plans will simply NOT pan out. I decided to call my newest girlfriend from Harem to see what she was doing. So, I called her, and got the familiar "Ah, (Insert my name here) " as she purred my name in well rehersed sexual and affectionate expression...hahaha, just what I like to hear, verdad?

Anyway, we decided to get together. She came to the hotel around 8:30pm and stayed until 11:00pm. She still had to go to work that night at Harem, so she had to leave at 11pm. I had told her I didn't have much money on the phone, and she said no problem, and came over anyway. I gave her 1000 pesos, and she told me she was happy with that. She acted totally satisfied.

I am always amused by the lines these girls give, and don't get me wrong, I love this girl to death. She is very affectionate, perfectly attentive and completely compliant and conscientous in everyway. But, of course, I can always sense that they all have a certain hint of larceny and con games in their personalities, something I'm sure is honed to a fine performance level over time. But, in her case, she pulls it off quite well, without too much of an obvious hint that she is running a game on you.

Anyway, prior to my paying her, I had been telling her about my business being slow and how I didn't have much money, so I avoided calling her. She had expressed a certain disappointment that I hadn't called her sooner in the week, like on Saturday when I had told her I arrived in town. Anyway, she implied that perhaps I wasn't desirous of her, and I could sense just a slight hint of disappointment, not anger, but just merely a slight melancholy that I had waited. So, I was explaining to her that I just couldn't call because business is slow, and no money to pay her, etc...and I explained that I had waited until mid-week to call her, just to pace myself financially. She said she understood, and seemed satisfied that I was sincere, and I was.

But, the funny thing about it is that she started to tell me how she normally gets 3500 pesos when she bar fines with other men. THIRTY FIVE HUNDRED FREAKIN' PESOS!!!!! (I thought). I could get a girl from Premier for 3500 pesos. Anyway, I'm sure she was just wanting to inflate her own self worth, either as a business tactic to ensure that I was not going to be too cheap with her, or as a psychological boost to her own ego, maybe a little of both I'm sure.

Anyway, I ended up giving her 1000 pesos, which was the exact amount she accepted from me the last time I was in town and bar fined her from Harem. She seemed pretty satisfied with that. Afterall, I can get girls to bar fine all day long for 1000 pesos, so I figured it was adequate, fair, etc...And, she provided excellent service, along with the emotionally affectionate act I enjoy, so she is worth the 1000 pesos. Plus, she was with me on short notice, calling her around 6:30pm, having her arrive at 8:30pm and stay until 11pm, a full 2-5 hours. So, WTF, 1000 pesos for 2.5 hours aint too bad. It's not the "replacement girl" rate of 850 pesos for 6 hours, but WTF, "a bird in the hand, verdad."

Plus, I found another aspect of her conversation to be somewhat interesting. She was explaining to me about how being paid for outcalls IS her business, but that I am getting a huge discount off her standard rates because I am such a "nice guy", etc...anyway, as a side bar to this, she also inserted that if she goes to dinner or movies or hangs out with me, that she will not charge me. She made me promise to call her to go to dinner tonight, so we could be together. WTF? But, I like it, so maybe I will call her. I like her enough to hangout with her. I guess it's a free meal for her, and maybe a chance to seduce me into paying her another 1000 pesos, but I get the distinct idea that she is actually wanting to hang out. Or, if not, and it's just a ploy or some kind of long-term planning strategy, then at least her act has a hint of sincerity to it. And, that's all that matters. I go back home on Friday, and leave "CandyLand" behind anyway, no illusions.

Anyway, our agenda last evening consisted of listening to music, talking, joking around, and of course, other sorted sexual delights, etc...She seems genuinely affectionate and that's always really important. I seek girls where there IS a definite chemistry. It is really not a sexual thing. It's more of a requirement that the girl has to first be my "friend," or more accurately, my "buddy."

Obviously, you have very few friends in business relationships, which these truly are, except perhaps with respect to "angry girl" and her whole scenario, trying to convince me she is my friend, trying to convince me that she's not seeing me for the money because she just loves being with me, and then refusing to see me because I don't buy into it (Don't get me frinckin' started, verdad?).

There are so many girls in the clubs that provide their brand of clinical services, not much affection, strictly systematic sex..."no banter" (as George Castanza on Sienfeld puts it, hahaha!). If I bar fine a girl, or call her to my hotel, I am only satisfied if they are my buddies first, and my sex partner second.

Otherwise, sex just seems like it's some kind of procedure performed in a hospital by a female nurse. Have you every had an enima in a hospital before? I did once when I had a surgical operation. It was performed by a literally gorgeous female nurse.

Believe me, it was not a "porn star" experience. It was in such pain and discomfort from a medical condition that it could have been Godzilla giving the freakin' enima, and I wouldn't have cared. Sorry to get so graphic, but that's almost what it seems like when a girl delivers sex without having a strong affectionate component in the mix. It's like she is just a female nurse, delivering some kind of relief, although I would rather have sex than an enima any day, hahahah!!!! But, you get the idea. But, I digress, enimas and all, hahaha...but, hopefully you kinky dudes will have enjoyed my eluding to my enimatic experiences. So, for those of you that enjoy those kinds of "deviant-assed" games, Ooooooooooooo Zesty!!!!!!!

Well, today is Wednesday, and I have yet to determine whether I will skip a day and partake again on Thursday, or whether I find a gem somewhere tonight. I will keep you well informed...

MonterreyDude

10-04-06, 17:28

Don't you love it? 3,500 pesos.
Of course they have the obligation to try to hard press money from us. If they try to ante up the price, that worries me cause they really think we are dumb.
I have already discussed this with Uno, telling him that the girls are selfdestructive as hell. They want your company and your money, but somewhere in the process they'l manage to ruin everythign.
One if my Lambs of my Sacred Flock also decided to to charge me 3500 pesos (seems to be a nice round number favored by the girls) for an outing. I guess my sardonic grin and a cheerie "sure I'd love to pay that, but never mind, I'll see you next time am around... if am around", made her drop the price into the 1000 peso range (actual price to pay).
The rule of thumb is let them rant about charging "3500 pesos". The girls have to know first hand that I THE customer, will not pay that.
Period.
Hell, I don't care if they are good, nice, well kept, well educated, whatever. If they ever come to me and say after paying 1000 pesos for a service, that they get 3500 from others, well, sincerly, this girl falls from grace.
I shake hands with her, and tell her that I enjoyed her company, and that she is truely free to go out with customers that pay her 3500 pesos. That I will not get in her way of customers that have thicker wallets than mine.
And if this girl wants to have me back, she has to work harder to make up for her mistakes.
The "J" girl at the Infinito (she's not part of the Sacred Flock, Wasted is to blame) decided to charge me 350 pesos for a FS the first time we met. I said on the spot "oh well, I got go" even if I had already payed for 4 privados (200 pesos). The trick worked, cause she lowered her price to 200 pesos, to what I answered "maybe next time".
What done is done, and she blew it and she has to make up for that and quickly cause the Infinito if full of nice girls.
This is where the big difference comes between Uno, Wasted... who ever comes in to Monterrey: Iam a local boy. I have enough time to deal with them and have them marching to my tune.
Visiting guys don't. They have to have to set everything in motion almost as fast as the wheels of the plane touch Monterrey soil.
Big difference.... yes indeed.

One word....Buenisimo!!!

But, while I had fully intended to have my "replacement girl" from El Infinito come over to the hotel around 5pm, I was not able to get directly in touch with her. I did speak to her mama, and she told me she was feeling inferma, and to please call her back a little later.

I recall that replacement girl was telling me on the previous day in the privados how she had a lot of pain in her lower legs and specifically in her ankles. She would rup them, complain to me how they hurt, etc...I wasn't really sure why she had the problem, maybe too much dancing, twisted ankle or something, maybe her shoes, I don't know.

When the girls start to get into that kind of descriptive detail in Spanish, I am totally frickin' lost. But, suffice it to say, she was hurting in the lower extremities. So, when I called and talked to her mama, her mama told me she was feeling mala, and she was apparently asleep. I called her around 5:30pm, and I decided then that to delay the process by waiting might be counter-productive, and if she wasn't feeling good, then I figured that I might be wiser to wait.

And, the truth is, while I like "replacement girl," she doesn't really send me over the edge. She will do fine in a pinch, but there really isn't quite the connection that I like between me and my favorite girls. Something is just illusively missing that I can't put my finger on.

Frankly, and I know this will sound conceited on my part, but I almost think there is some kind of intellectual, sociological, or cultural gulf that exists between us. Some girls are just more stimulating to me intellectually than others. She has all the fine traits that I like as far as being outwardly affectionate. She stands with me sometimes for 20 minutes on the floor at Infinito with her arms around me, carressing me, hugging me, just hanging out with me, rambling on to me incessently about who knows what, and just generally being a my "buddy." She really seems pretty fond of me, and almost like she feels pretty close to me. There is a familiarity there that would otherwise be great to build on, but somehow, I think the glass is half empty instead of half full with respect to the building blocks needed to make her a "favorita."

Maybe it's a class thing too...she is definitely of the poorer class, and probably has limited education. Of course, she is also quite young too. She is not a stupid girl. But, I sense I am dealing with an individual who does not really "understand" me as a male, and I don't mean with respect to language. Does that make sense? It is sort of like she is a young girl that knows she can get a man off, but perhaps does not really understand the difference between what it takes to get you off, and what it takes to send you to the moon. She just doesn't stimulate me beyond sex, which is not something many of you will understand, but it is definitely a component to having a good experience versus a "buenisimo" kind of experience.

But, the funny thing about it is that she started to tell me how she normally gets 3500 pesos when she bar fines with other men. THIRTY FIVE HUNDRED FREAKIN' PESOS!!!!! (I thought). I could get a girl from Premier for 3500 pesos. Anyway, I'm sure she was just wanting to inflate her own self worth, either as a business tactic to ensure that I was not going to be too cheap with her, or as a psychological boost to her own ego, maybe a little of both I'm sure.

Anyway, I ended up giving her 1000 pesos, which was the exact amount she accepted from me the last time I was in town and bar fined her from Harem. She seemed pretty satisfied with that. Afterall, I can get girls to bar fine all day long for 1000 pesos, so I figured it was adequate, fair, etc...And, she provided excellent service, along with the emotionally affectionate act I enjoy, so she is worth the 1000 pesos. Plus, she was with me on short notice, calling her around 6:30pm, having her arrive at 8:30pm and stay until 11pm, a full 2-5 hours. So, WTF, 1000 pesos for 2.5 hours aint too bad. It's not the "replacement girl" rate of 850 pesos for 6 hours, but WTF, "a bird in the hand, verdad."

Plus, I found another aspect of her conversation to be somewhat interesting. She was explaining to me about how being paid for outcalls IS her business, but that I am getting a huge discount off her standard rates because I am such a "nice guy", etc...anyway, as a side bar to this, she also inserted that if she goes to dinner or movies or hangs out with me, that she will not charge me. She made me promise to call her to go to dinner tonight, so we could be together. WTF? But, I like it, so maybe I will call her. I like her enough to hangout with her. I guess it's a free meal for her, and maybe a chance to seduce me into paying her another 1000 pesos, but I get the distinct idea that she is actually wanting to hang out. Or, if not, and it's just a ploy or some kind of long-term planning strategy, then at least her act has a hint of sincerity to it. And, that's all that matters. I go back home on Friday, and leave "CandyLand" behind.

Anyway, our agenda last evening consisted of listening to music, talking, etc...She seems genuinely affectionate and that's always really important. I seek girls where there IS a definite chemistry. It is really not a sexual thing. It's more of a requirment that the girl has to first be my "friend," or more accurately, my "buddy."

Obviously, you have very few friends in business relationships, which these truly are, except perhaps with respect to "angry girl" and her whole scenario, trying to convince me she is my friend, not seeing me for the money because she is so impressed by me, so "in-love" with me, and then refusing to see me because I don't buy into it (Don't get me started, verdad?).

There are so many girls in the clubs that provide their brand of clinical services, not much affection, strictly systematic sex..."no banter" (as George Castanza on Sienfeld puts it, hahaha!). If I bar fine a girl, or call her to my hotel, I am only satisfied if they are my buddies first, and my sex partner second.

Otherwise, sex just seems like it's some kind of procedure performed in a hospital by a female nurse. Have you every had an enima in a hospital before? I did once when I had a surgical operation. It was performed by a female nurse. Believe me, it was not a "porn star" experience. Sorry to get so graphic, but that's almost what it seems like when a girl delivers sex without having a strong affectionate component in the mix. It's like she is just a female nurse, delivering some kind of relief, although I would rather have sex than an enima any day, hahahah!!!! But, you get the idea.

But, I digress, enimas and all, hahaha...but, hopefully you kinky dudes will have enjoyed my eluding to my enematic experiences. So, for those of you that enjoy those kinds of deviant assed games, Ooooooooooooo Zesty!!!!!!!

Well, today is Wednesday, and I have yet to determine whether I will skip a day and partake again on Thursday, or whether I find a gem somewhere tonight. I will keep you well informed...

Member #3453

10-04-06, 18:20

Basically, like with "angry girl," I did challenge her charade. Her charade may just be a tactic to firm up her business, that according to all the wisdom of the board, and my handlers in Monterrey. My situation with "angry girl" was handled by me just as all experienced mongers have advised me is the best tactic. But, the tactic has backfired on me so far.

So, IMHO, I think each individual case has specific tactics that will apply, and all strategies are not generic, just as all these girls have different personalities, and all girls are uniquely screwed up in different ways, and in varying degrees. In the case of Angry Girl, I have yet to fully understand her strategy, and I'm not fully convinced that she has a particular strategy other than to "show me a thing or two."

In the case of "Harem Girl," I think she wants me to feel that she has some personal affection for me that transcends her outrageously quoted 3500 peso price to the average client, thereby offering me a discount because of my financially strapped status, and austensibly because she likes being with me, hence the freebee reverse dinner invitation offer. Of course, 1000 pesos is a 1000 pesos...hard to turn down if that is the price that's closer to her typical reality, right?

Perhaps she feels that once my business picks up again, I will be able to shower her with "One Million Dollar" Bills, one of which I gave her last night, hahahaha!!! (Inside joke...It was an advertising speciality, a very authentic looking One Million Dollar US Note, which I was almost able to pass here in Mexico had I been unscrupulous in my dealings at the Oxxo, hahahaha!. I would have enjoyed seeing them attempt to make change for a One Million Dollar US Note in Mexican Pesos :-) You should have seen the look on their faces as they were eyeballing this thing, which on the face of it, looks perfectly authentic. I should have told them just to keep the change as a propina for a fine job well done ;0 as I escaped with my ice cream sandwiches, vanilla sandwich cookies, and 7up Lite.

Anyway, "Harem Girl's" approach might be a perfect example of the "Saving Gringo" long-term planning scenario. Of course, currently my excuse is not to pay it due to finances, but eventually, she will have to understand the realities of Monterrey's pricing structure, and more importantly, to also understand that I have many other options, and that I am totally and completely familiar with the pricing structure here.

So, Carlos, I agree that I will need to communicate all of that to her at some point, but it's not necessary to throw the baby out with the bath water at this juncture. I can work her later as effectively as she believes she can work me now, verdad?

MonterreyDude

10-05-06, 07:18

Hey! For a change Iam reporting and it's related to the now popular "angry girl" syndrome.
Am just in from the Harem (12:50 am CT). I went there to see KK's girlfriend cause he's coming over. One of my Harem girlfriends comes over and sits with me.
Well, more or less my "angry girl" complains that last week on Thursday I traded her on the spot for one of her friends. And as a matter of fact I would again: I have a knack to spot hot girls (although that doesn't mean they will be hot with me). This new girl and me, we were kissing like hell was freezing over in 15 minutes flat after she sat with me.
Turns out New Girl is a friend of my "angry girl". I din't care on iota when I found out last week and New Girl didn't care either.
Ok... I have to go look for KK's girl. My "angry girl" (not just yet angry) sits with me. In less than 5 minutes she is already complaining that I have already traded her. I said maybe if New Girl stays to work as a regular I might have to juggle them both.
Soon to become "angry girl" doesn't like the idea...
I see KK's girl go after her and pass along the message. I go back and and tell now "fuming girl" that I have to go (right now on Wednesdays I can't skip bowling and I have to be home at a certain logical time).
At this point she nearly goes ballistic: She stands up and says "what an assh.... am leaving". I kindly ask what the hell is a) wrong with me leaving and b) why in hell is she angry.
Here comes the good part: She says I always leave quickly when am with her. I never invite her lots of drinks like other customers, nor VIP privados and it seems that Iam AsHo enough to trade her on the spot for another girl.
Vital rethoric coming up... I calmly say to her the phrase reserve to girls that think they own the world, phrase that I have only said to 3 including now my own "angry girl": "Excuse me, but the only time you have the right to complain about me is when we f**k and I don't pay you, aside from that you grin and bear it".
Period.
Thing is the girls can NOT have the initiative. They can NOT have the upper hand. They can NOT leave us in the table as customers, turn their back to us and say "I kicked him out like yesterdays trash".
Oh no sir.
We are the ones that can do that. Not them.
Ok, for a split second "angry girl" stares at me and tells me not to wave my hands around (sign that the customer is angry with the girl and the house will be on your side). For a split second she tries to mediate, telling me its true, that I have never treated her good, what ever... but she takes notice that its too late baby. She repeats "Am going" and I tell her, "no you are not, you work here... I am the one that is leaving".
So, I have an "angry girl" in my list!!!!
Thing is I do not stop and think of them next time am in. She is the one that blew it, not me.
Let them fume, let them be angry...
Quoting the famous icon of the USA: What, me worry?

Member #3453

10-05-06, 09:12

There are too many damned independent "Angry Girl" types out there right now. I have speculated that lately it seems that business is apparently so good for them that they're developing an increasingly independent attitude here in Monterrey.

This whole "angry girl" experience causes me to reminisce about the contrast that exists in some of the other poorer countries of the World, where the girls truly appreciate your patronage, and would die to be with you every night of their austere existence, all night, for twenty bucks. Places where they show up at your hotel, call your cell phone, pursue you like they are on their last stale tortilla or last bowl of soggy rice. Many of these girls will hang with you for no money, just for the privilege, security, and comfort that our mere presence provides them.

I have experienced Indonesia, Cambodia, Thailand, The Philippines, Columbia, Costa Rica, etc...The problem is, the girls here in Monterrey are wildly more affluent compared to their sisters in other parts of the World. Plus, demand is significantly higher than supply in Monterrey, making the girls even more independent.

I too saw my angry girl tonight, and we basically ignored each other. I enjoyed watching her dance on stage, and I reminisced about how much I liked being with her in the past, prior to her displaying her personality defects to me. And while there is a temporary sense of loss, there are really two comforting thoughts to fall back on...

While the angry girls are treating us like crap, we are continually looking for, and in due time, usually finding, their ultimate replacement. If we've been nice guys, treating them with genuine affection, giving them little regalos to express our affections for them, listening to the drama that plagues their lives, patronizing them as regular repeat customers, etc...and they choose to throw our affections away, then, it truly is their loss, and they deserve the ultimate fate that is visited upon most bar girls...to eventually lose the only edge they seem to have in life.

The only edge these girls have in their lives is their good looks, and the ability to insincerely charm and manipulate us for monetary gain. If deep in their hearts they are treating us with contempt and insincerity, then it's kind of comforting to know that they will eventually lose their edge, after about age thirty, perhaps even sooner. After which time, using their fleeting beauty and the charm of youth to manipulate our feelings will be gone, no longer available to them to draw upon. It's a kind of poetic justice, just rewards for those girls that actually possess such insincerity in their hearts and souls.

Here is the difference between them and me. I pay them for their affections, and I give them my heartfelt emotions sincerely in the moment during the encounter as well, something that I also realize that most girls fail to recognize for it's value, nor really appreciate. I call this exchange emotional "chemistry." Some may think that our encounters should be strictly biological, but I think a great GFE type of encounter, and subsequent repeat encounters with the same girl, have an emotional component that enhances the encounter, in addition to the biological effect that's to be expected.

So, if their is truly a chemistry that develops, not only do I give them my money, but I am starting out giving them my heartfelt, sincere, emotional affection in the moment as well. But, what also separates me from other mongers, is that if there is no emotional component to my encounters with them, then my interest level in them is not peaked sufficiently to motivate me to pay them any money. The chemistry has to be there.

In my world, if I wanted strictly sex, I would probably frequent the massage parlors, which are much more clinical in their delivery, and significantly cheaper. That's not to say that I challenge the value of anyone using the massage parlors. But for me, I am in the game for more than strictly the sexual component. There are girls that are quite capable of deliverying both kinds of relief, for money, and with a very believable, if not actually sincere, display of affection in the process.

Having an emotional component to my encounters doesn't mean that I am not leary of their financial motives, or intellectually unaware of their underlying manipulations that may be strictly related to making money. But, my feelings and emotions are separate from my intellectual assessments of their true character. But, while I am with them, I give of myself emotionally in the moment, in addition to the money. The emotional component, depending on the girl, is a pre-requisite to GFE for me, but it also creates an emotional vulnerability in me that I am fully aware of at all times.

From a philosophical point of view, that is what validates my "use" of them, and it's what makes my "use" of them more altruistic in comparison to their use of me, if in fact, their use of me is strictly only an act for money, and only an insincere 100% manipulation of my emotional vulnerability.

I have found that some girls are more sincere in their affections than others. It doesn't mean they do not want the money, but the "gems" that ARE out there want both the money, and they also value the affection as well. Those are the girls I look for. Some are consistent in their delivery of a sincere emotional component, and some are extremely insincere and manipulative, their acts eventually breaking down to reveal the manipulation. The challenge is to find the girls that have some degree of sincerity in the delivery of valid emotion in the moment.

They always start out with my sincere heartfelt concern and affection, as potentially sweet and loving human beings, regardless of the fact that they are being paid for their time. What they do with my sincerity is up to them. The bottom line is, we are in ultimate control of the wealth, and they should have to earn our benevolent patronage, as well as our sustained sincere affection. If they choose to throw both of them away, then it is truly their loss, and they are twice as dumb as I originally might have thought them to be.

Member #3453

10-05-06, 14:06

My plans were dashed last night when a girl failed to show up at the appointed time at the hotel. We were supposed to get together at Midnight, and when I called to confirm, she was in her casa ready for "bed-i-bye" already. She will be here manana...."sure, bye."

You can never really count on them. I have had only one run of great luck here with respect to the girls actually showing up on out calls, and it was one of my more recent trips, perhaps the one I made around the end of July where three nights in a row, everything went off like perfect clock work, all girls showing up during the week at the appointed time, no salidas to pay...it was great!

But, last night was a bomb. But, I had speculated that this girl may not showup, and frankly, I was somewhat relieved at the prospect that I would not have to pay money that I don't really have right now. Plus, I had done an outcall with my "Harem Girl" the night before, and my tactic lately is to at least try to space them a day apart. Otherwise, I find myself burning the candle at both ends, spending gobs of money, making choices of questionable quality, and perhaps not really savoring the moments.

So, I just resolved myself to my good fortune, not having to pay another 1000 pesos outcall two nights in a row. Instead, I just decided to make my rounds. I visited El Infinito, El Cielo, and Matehuela, and briefly surveyed Tangalay and Givenchy, having just a few privados at El Infinito, and negotiating a possible bar fine at Matehuela, but deciding otherwise at the last minute, primarily for the sake of financial responsibility.

I have a very interesting tidbit of "covert intelligence" that I picked up last night while in Matehuela. I had gone into the privados last night with one of my sacred flock in Matehuela. While in the privados we talked about possibly doing a bar fine. In the past, the cost of Matehuela has always been exactly 1500 pesos. I had generally avoided Matehuela, and focused most of my attention on El Infinito and El Cielo because they are both 1350 pesos.

I know that's not a huge difference in price, but it's almost like it was the principle of it that I objected to, spending more than you have to. So, I always favored El Infinito and El Cielo, also because they seemed to both have a superior selection of girls most of the time. I would visit Matehuela a few times during my trips just to checkout the talent, but generally I do not pay for salidas there these days unless there is an exceptional reason.

Anyway, as I was discussing the prospect of going on salida with my girlfriend, I explained that I was low on funds, and couldn't really afford the salida plus her cut, which she explained would be 1000 pesos. I told her I had the 1000 pesos, but not 1500 pesos. This 1500 pesos price has always been quite strict at Matehuela in the past. But, my girlfriend seemed eager to go on salida. She has asked me countless times in the past if we could do another one together, and she seems to like me, and be focused on getting me out on salida again. But, I just stuck to my guns and explained that I had her cut, 1000 pesos, but couldn't afford to also pay the salida.

The interesting thing is, she told me that she could pay the house 350 pesos, not the 500 pesos I assumed was required of the house, and that she could meet me at the hotel where I could pay her 1000 pesos, and then that I could reimburse her for the 350 pesos she had paid to Matehuela. I did not realize she could do that. In the past, the full amount had always been paid up front, paid directly to the management, 1500 pesos, no exceptions.

I have done enough bar fining from Matehuela in the past, during my initiation in Monterrey, to know these facts. But, over time, wisdom dictated that I increasingly curtailed my bar fining at Matehuela primarily due to price considerations. So, the reality is, the bar fine at Matehuela is 350 pesos, and you can negotiate the girl's fee down to 1000 pesos, maybe less depending on the girl, instead of the normally quoted 1200 pesos fee for the girl. It makes sense that the salida amount would be consistent between the three clubs. El Infinito, El Cielo, and Matehuela are all owned by the same owners.

This same rule was always pretty strictly enforced at El Infinito with regard to paying the full amount to the bar up front, 1350 pesos. But, recently, when I didn't have all the money with me, and the girl, Angry Girl in fact, agreed to let me pay her direct, I was allowed to pay only the salida to the bar, and to settle up with Angry Girl at the hotel. Angry Girl knew I was low on funds, and she said she wanted to go with me free. But, ultimately, as a matter of personal policy, I insisted on paying her. I think I was actually low on money that time, and I believe that I actually found enough to give her the full 1000 pesos, or maybe 800 pesos, I don't really recall exactly, but she was paid for her services, and seemed pretty content with it.

So, at least in El Infinito, if they know you, you can get away with paying just the salida amount, and then pay the girl directly at your hotel. But, I DO NOT think they will go for it if they don't know you. I have a long history with the management at El Infinto, and they know me quite well. So, they have relaxed the rules for me a little bit.

I remember one time too when one of my girlfriends paid her own salida to El Cielo, 350 pesos, and then met me at the hotel, where she was eventually paid 1000 pesos as her cut by me, and I reimbursed her 350 pesos to cover her prepaid salida fee. I had actually visited El Cielo, and she specifically told me to leave El Cielo, and that she would meet me at the hotel. I thought she was just taking off work early, allowing me to avoid the salida altogether. But, in reality, she was just paying the salida direct to the bar, and she intended to collect the reimbursement of the salida fee, 350 pesos, from me.

I remember this becoming evident when I handed her 1000 pesos for coming to the hotel and then asking her if that was sufficient, she smiled, and laughed and said, "no," but then she said "si." But, when I pressed her for the details because I wanted to make sure I was taking care of her, she explained that she had paid the salida fee at the bar, "but no problem," she said. She always was, and is, a sweetheart. Of, course, I reimbursed the salida fee immediately to her when I found out the details of how she got off work to meet me at the hotel.

But, the fact that the girl is instrumental in intervention with respect to the salida at Matehuela is an important bit of intellegence that I had not been able to pick up until now. So, you can apparently get them to go for 1350 from Matehuela if you negotiate the girl's price, and ask her to pay the salida, promising to pay her when you get to the hotel. My girlfriend at Matehuela had actually promised to stay with me for 3 hours as well, which is twice as long as the normally quoted salida time of 1.5 hours.

So, girls in Matehuela can be had for 1350 pesos if you cry poor enough. My girlfriend even would have reduced her amount from 1000 pesos, but that would have been for only one hour of her time, not nearly enough for my tastes. I probably could have negotiated that and gotten her for 1.5 hours at a reduced amount, perhaps 700-800 pesos, and then of course, I would reimburse her for the salida fee, but I could tell that I was starting to cut severly into her profitability, and decided it would not be wise to establish that kind of relationship.

But, ultimately, I decided to wait on bar fining my girl from Matehuela last night. I plan to have fun tonight instead, Thursday night, and last night was reserved for prowling the clubs, a few privados, rest, relaxation, and re-charging.

Xenus

10-06-06, 04:25

I have been to Monterrey before and am planing to go back. I stayed at the Holiday inn on Madero and go some trouble getting the girls back to my room. Please Carlos or UnospongeBob help (can you please post a list of Hotels that are ok with chicas. I love all your post and am a big fan of UnospongeBob and carlos. I love the girls in Mty. The memories from a year ago are still in my mind. One incident that happend on the last visit was kind of crazy. It happend in the Matehuela Bar. I went to the restroom and a guy for no reason set a paper towel on fire and put on the guy's table who is selling gums and snacks in the restroom. The guy selling the snacks got pissed and a fight was going to break out until someone in the restroom pulled a gun. Be safe and alert.

Money 69

10-06-06, 06:41

I have brought girls back to the Fiesta Inn On Gonzalitos, I have walked right in the front door late one night without them saying anything to me, the security looked a little funny and I am sure they knew what was up, but I walked in like they belonged with me. Also, you can drive down to the parking garage below the hotel and get the elevator there to the floor you need to goto and completely avoid the lobby. I dont know what their official policy is but its easy to get girls in and out of there.

MonterreyDude

10-06-06, 08:00

Hey! Do come back to Monterrey....
And yes, expect trouble in getting girls to your room, now more than ever after a sex scandal that happend around a year ago where an idiot contacted a girl via a chat room and they met at his hotel and the parents of the girl called the police and all hell broke lose.
It happened on the Best Western on Madero Ave. Unospongebob used to stay there... the hotel was girl friendly... WAS, not anymore after this incident and it kinda caught up at all the hotels.
Hotels that let you in with girls... I can count them with my fingers of my left hand while typing with my right: Plaza del Arco, Plaza del Arco Express, Patricia Express and the Sheraton Ambassador.
And the Matehuala... never had any kind of problems while visiting the clubs, but of course that doesn't mean trouble will happen. After all, consider, it is nightlife.
One that goes on way into the early light of the new day.

I have been to Monterrey before and am planing to go back. I stayed at the Holiday inn on Madero and go some trouble getting the girls back to my room. Please Carlos or UnospongeBob help (can you please post a list of Hotels that are ok with chicas. I love all your post and am a big fan of UnospongeBob and carlos. I love the girls in Mty. The memories from a year ago are still in my mind. One incident that happend on the last visit was kind of crazy. It happend in the Matehuela Bar. I went to the restroom and a guy for no reason set a paper towel on fire and put on the guy's table who is selling gums and snacks in the restroom. The guy selling the snacks got pissed and a fight was going to break out until someone in the restroom pulled a gun. Be safe and alert.

Member #3453

10-06-06, 14:19

I concur with Carlos' list of Hotels, of course. But, it's also important to stress that when bringing girls back to any of these places, we are always quite careful to be as discrete as possible. This really IS NOT a mongering town, at least not in the sense that you would compare Thailand, AC, or even TJ.

Most of the hotels that Carlos mentioned are family/business oriented places. I am pretty well know in the hotels I stay at, and I have a reporte with the desk clerks, security people, etc...So, it pays to cultivate those relationships, but if you are only here a short time, it's a little more difficult to be known by them.

I usally try to develop a relationship right away with the power structure in the hotels so I my activities are not at issue. But, there again, I am also always quite mindful that they are running a legitimized business, and really don't want their establishments transitioning into flea bag kinds of short term sex brothels.

I am always quite careful about what time of the day I bring the girls into the hotels. I usually bring them back to the hotel after 8pm if I am bar fining them, and more frequently after about 10pm. I am also quick to get the girls through the lobby, and wisk them up to my room right away.

If the girls are responding to an outcall, I also suggest waiting for them to arrive in the lobby if they are doing an outcall because the hotel personnel will not challenge them if you are greeting them as they enter the lobby. Hotel personnel apparently do not see any merit in directly challenging the customer.

I also try to avoid the appearance that I am having some kind of orgy fest in their establishment by avoiding bringing too many girls in at one time, or even too many girls into their hotels in one day, or even two many girls over a series of days. I really think that moderation has allowed me to prevail in the hotel where I presently stay because I am very careful about my behavior here. Otherwise, I truly believe, based on the kind of place this is, I would possibly otherwise not be welcome.

Where possible, I also try taking them in the back way, making sure I don't dally in the lobby. If I am bringing them back to the hotel with me, I always walk the girls in without putting my hands on them, arms around them, etc...even, if on occassion, they are pawing me, holding my hand, snuggling up to me, etc... as we enter the hotel. I try to walk into the hotel without too much hint of any kind of public display of affection.

I try to keep from drawing too much attention that might make their purpose for being there too blatantly obvious. It aint easy to propagate the charade however, when a 20 year old hotty is snuggling up to me, kissing me, holding my hand, me, a middle aged Gringo, hahaha!!!

Member #3453

10-06-06, 14:56

As I have mentioned before, the salida "bar fine" is typically 350 pesos in places like El Infinito, El Cielo, Matehuela, and Givenchy. The girl's cut, paid in addition to the salida to the bar, is usually quoted at 1000 pesos.

Up to now, I have always paid the salida directly to the manager while at the bar, and usually they have required me to pay the entire amount, in advance, all 1350 pesos, 1000 pesos + 350 pesos.

But, in the future, I am advocating something a little different. But, it will hinge on whether you actually know the girl well enough. If you know the girl, and you can trust that she will follow through by showing up, either at the hotel, or by meeting you outside the establishment, then this is definitely the way to go when doing a salida.

I make this suggestion because lately, I have sensed that because of my Gringo status, I am being held to a stricter time constraint if management knows the girl is, #1 going on salida, and #2, going on salida with a Gringo.

The girls have the option of paying their own salidas for personal business, etc.., and according to my best research, after asking the girls directly about this idea, it occurs to me that there is an up-side to management not really knowing that your taking a girl on salida.

My sense is that management allows the girl significantly more latitude with respect to the amount of time they are off premises if the girl has paid the salida herself, as though she is needing the personal time away from the job, rather than actually doing a salida with a client.

I also theorize that there may even be less of a time constraint placed on Mexican clients than on Gringo clients. I think the constraint is still there for Mexican clients, but I think the bosses offer more discretion when the girl comes back slightly late from a salida with a Mexican client.

There are actually several really valuable advantages to this tactic:

First, you do not have to produce Identification to take them on salida. Otherwise, the management will document exactly who you are by taking down your pedigre information from your drivers license, passport, or other photo ID. They will also record the hotel you're staying at.

Second, the other girls in the place will not know you are taking a girl on salida, which, if you have several girls that you like in one place, it really complicates matters when you parade one of them out the door in front of the others that have been left behind.

Thirdly, by the girl paying the salida to management, you do not have to pay for services in advance. Not only can you pay the girl for her services at the end of the session, but the cost of the session is more easily negotiated directly with the girl in advance of the session, leaving management out of the picture entirely.

I have negotiated the girl's cut down to as low as 500 pesos in the past, but realistically, most can be had for 700-800 pesos. But, if the girls are eager to go with you, they WILL negotiate their cut off of that routinely quoted price of 1200-1000 pesos. But, if you pay it to management, it does not seem like the girls have either the opportunity or the willingness to negotiate their cut.

But, consider this, even if the girl had the option to freely negotiate their cut of the deal, most of them do not want other people knowing what amount they were willing to settle on. It's embarrassing to them, and they don't want anyone else knowing they were going with you on the cheap.

It's a pride issue. The girls have personal pride over being able to negotiate huge bar fines (ie: 3500 freakin' pesos). So, they are more reluctant to cut the price if somebody else is going to know the details, certainly if their management knows, and especially under circumstances where other girls the work with might find out.

MonterreyDude

10-06-06, 17:39

With all due respect, let me point out a couple of things.
You do stand out with a club girl... anywhere in the whole of Monterrey.
The moment you place foot in the hotel, everyone knows something is going on. You do not fool the staff for a second.
Even in the neighborhood of the dowtown area where the social class of the girls is similar to their surroundings, they know.
Why, cause it is so obvious that a 20 year old girl hanging around with a 40 plus year old that does not look like a Mexican is not doing something nice with the man.
On the spot they will point at her and say she's a ho.
(Last time Wasted and "Is that you Roxana" guy were here... wow! you should have seen the looks on the people on the streets and the expressions on their faces when the guys and the girls were walking for lunch on Madero Ave. area... less than a fraction of a second and the regular folk knew the girls were nor prude or pure)
Remember that, although the job of a club girl, prostitute or MP girl is tolerated here, they are considered no where above trash by the whole of the Monterrey society.
Remember: we are the few that treat them right and fair. That is why they apreciate our friendship (... and our money).

I concur with Carlos' list of Hotels, of course. But, it's also important to stress that when bringing girls back to any of these places, we are always quite careful to be as discrete as possible. This really IS NOT a mongering town, at least not in the sense that you would compare Thailand, AC, or even TJ.

Most of the hotels that Carlos mentioned are family/business oriented places. I am pretty well know in the hotels I stay at, and I have a reporte with the desk clerks, security people, etc...So, it pays to cultivate those relationships, but if you are only here a short time, it's a little more difficult to be known by them.

I usally try to develop a relationship right away with the power structure in the hotels so I my activities are not at issue. But, there again, I am also always quite mindful that they are running a legitimized business, and really don't want their establishments transitioning into flea bag kinds of short term sex brothels.

I am always quite careful about what time of the day I bring the girls into the hotels. I usually bring them back to the hotel after 8pm if I am bar fining them, and more frequently after about 10pm. I am also quick to get the girls through the lobby, and wisk them up to my room right away.

If the girls are responding to an outcall, I also suggest waiting for them to arrive in the lobby if they are doing an outcall because the hotel personnel will not challenge them if you are greeting them as they enter the lobby. Hotel personnel apparently do not see any merit in directly challenging the customer.

I also try to avoid the appearance that I am having some kind of orgy fest in their establishment by avoiding bringing too many girls in at one time, or even too many girls into their hotels in one day, or even two many girls over a series of days. I really think that moderation has allowed me to prevail in the hotel where I presently stay because I am very careful about my behavior here. Otherwise, I truly believe, based on the kind of place this is, I would possibly otherwise not be welcome.

Where possible, I also try taking them in the back way, making sure I don't dally in the lobby. If I am bringing them back to the hotel with me, I always walk the girls in without putting my hands on them, arms around them, etc...even, if on occassion, they are pawing me, holding my hand, snuggling up to me, etc... as we enter the hotel. I try to walk into the hotel without too much hint of any kind of public display of affection.

I try to keep from drawing too much attention that might make their purpose for being there too blatantly obvious. It aint easy to propagate the charade however, when a 20 year old hotty is snuggling up to me, kissing me, holding my hand, me, a middle aged Gringo, hahaha!!!

Lion Killer

10-07-06, 01:48

May I wish you congradulations on your 200th report my friend Uno #1 Sponge Bob. As you see you have many followers. I am booked this year in my travels but for sure I do wish to meet you and hook up with Carlos early next year 2007.

LK

Member #3453

10-07-06, 13:25

LK, thanks for the congrats...A small milestone for an otherwise meaningless endeavor, right! hahaha. While I enjoy writing these little articles, as well as the experiences that fuel them, I sometimes wonder what might be my accomplishments in life were I to actually put the same level of literary effort into something meaningfully productive, hahaha!!!

Well, with respect to Carlos' comments, it is glaringly obvious what is going on when a Gringo and a 20 year old girl are seen coming back to the hotel together. But, it is still, IMHO, less offensive if you are at least restrained with them in public, so that it does not directly offend the sensabilities of on-lookers or patrons of the hotels, restaurants, cinemas, etc...thereby avoiding actually flaunting it in their drooling faces.

With respect to the hotel personnel, they are, of course, fully aware of the situation. Fact is, I rely on their complicity in my endeavors. So, I realize they are well aware of the situation, and I bank on their continued support as accomplices, hahaha!!!

I don't want to seem like a hypocrit with respect to my recommendations to be discrete, but sometimes the public displays are inavoidable. I try hard to keep a low profile, but...

I remember when I brought Cindy #1 from Pasarelas back to the hotel a couple of trips ago, the night clerk, who is really quite friendly with me, gave me an all knowing, almost envious look, a look that could not be mistaken for anything other than, "you lucky bastard!!!" hahaha!!!

Another time, my girl from El Cielo came into the lobby of the hotel when several young men were checking in. She came through that front door, and as she was walking in, several of them openly sighed, and I could hear them very quietly say "WOW!!!," and I must admit, she looked really HOT too. She brushed passed them, came over to where I was sitting in the restaurant, and was all over me, kisses, hugs, "hola mi amore, te estrano!!!." These guys mouths were hanging open,and drool was filling the floor. I was on my laptop there at the table, and we talked for awhile, the whole time, she carressing me, kissing me, etc...But, it was not me showing the affection. I love it when the girls are really affectionate with me, and there isn't much I can do if they choose to do it openly, not caring how it looks.

When I took one of my girls to Applebees at Plaza Real, I was very discrete, sitting across from her in the booth, just to make it less of an offensive kind of display. What did she do? She tells me after only about 60 seconds to sit next to her in the booth. So, I move over there, she is holding my hand, carressing my arm, etc...She does not care about what the other patrons think, period. She wants me next to her, even when I choose initially to sit across from her to spare her pointed public embarrassment by sitting next to her in the booth.

Conversely, I have girls that will not go out publicly with me. Angry Girl is a perfect example of this. One day as we were about to the enter the hotel, I asked her if she wanted something to drink from the Oxxo. So, I walked down to the Oxxo, leaving her in front of the hotel to wait for me briefly while I picked up something to drink.

When I came back, literally 3 minutes later, she was not there. I looked around for her, and couldn't see her anywhere in close proximity to the front door of the hotel. All of a sudden she appeared from nowhere. I assumed she was embarrassed about being seen with me, a middle aged Gringo. But, she told me that her cousin had been across the street from the hotel, and that she had spotted her with me in front of the hotel. She told me she was embarrassed about how it must have looked, so she ducked into the adjacent store to mask what might have been going on between us, a 20 year old girl, and a middle aged Gringo.

Angry Girl would only go with me to little locally owned obscure restaurants where she would not be recognized or embarrassed by being seen with me in public, even though she was always telling me how much she liked being with me in private. Her reactions to my attentions always seemed to substantiate that fact in the privacy or our hotel room, without question...but, society harshly judges girls that might otherwise have affection for some of us that are over twice their ages, and especially if they are hookers.

So, it all depends on the girl....But, with respect to the males in Mexican society, they are ALL wishing they were in my shoes. Of course, I am as discrete as possible out of respect for the females of Mexican society. I try to be discrete out of courtesy, and because of my own sensitivity to that, but I don't assume I am putting anything over on anybody.

With all due respect, let me point out a couple of things.
You do stand out with a club girl... anywhere in the whole of Monterrey.
The moment you place foot in the hotel, everyone knows something is going on. You do not fool the staff for a second.
Even in the neighborhood of the dowtown area where the social class of the girls is similar to their surroundings, they know.
Why, cause it is so obvious that a 20 year old girl hanging around with a 40 plus year old that does not look like a Mexican is not doing something nice with the man.
On the spot they will point at her and say she's a ho.
(Last time Wasted and "Is that you Roxana" guy were here... wow! you should have seen the looks on the people on the streets and the expressions on their faces when the guys and the girls were walking for lunch on Madero Ave. area... less than a fraction of a second and the regular folk knew the girls were nor prude or pure)
Remember that, although the job of a club girl, prostitute or MP girl is tolerated here, they are considered no where above trash by the whole of the Monterrey society.
Remember: we are the few that treat them right and fair. That is why they apreciate our friendship (... and our money).

Minnesotah

10-08-06, 07:00

Another point about the hotels is thes mongers might come back to MTY, but they're in town for a short time only. So, the staff will not always remember them. The chicas live and work in town. If they visit the hotels with different men on a regular basis, they will be recognized more easily.

Member #3453

10-08-06, 13:06

Valid point Minnesotah, but to cast a little more light on the subject of salidas in Monterrey, I have a few observations that might help other mongers understand the environment in Monterrey.

Salidas are still quite rare in Monterrey. The girls are not usually asked to do salidas too often by locals, and there really aren't too many Gringos visiting the clubs.

The salida seems to be kind of a novelty for the girls. I sense that the girls really like having the salida experience, and that they really like the idea that they have a steady customer that takes them on salida on a relatively frequent basis. The fact that a girl goes on salida, or more accurately, that she has a regularly paying customer that asks regularly to take her on salida, seems to be a point of pride among them. But, for many of them, they are only comfortable with a guy they have known a while, one they trust, and of course, preferably one they like and have affection for. The other exception to the rule of familiarity is if you're known to the girls in the club, either through their friends, or through management, or through the waiters, or if they have seen you in there regularly, then they're more comfortable with the idea that going with you may not be dangerous.

I have on occassion taken new girls into the privados, girls that are friends of my favoritas, and asked them if they will go on salida with me. They are usually eager to do so, and there is never a hint of any apprehension on their part whatsoever. So, being a regular customer has it's overall advantages because you are well know, and accepted by them as harmless.

But, of course, by taking too many of them overtly on salida, you run a huge potential risk of pissing off your favorite girls, girls who are probably hotter than one you may have just met that is a friend of your favorita, etc...But, I always like to find out where new girls stand with respect to their willingness to do salidas because you never know when your favoritas might turn into "Angry Girl" wannabe's, and you have to go to plan B.

The Monterrey scene is set up for on-site services, and most working class Mexicans, which is 95% of the clientelle in El Infinito, Matuehuela, El Cielo, and Givenchy, would never accept the high price of taking a girl on salida, 1350 pesos (at the cheapest rate), plus the cost of a hotel. Many of them do not want to spend that kind of money when they can just have the girl in the club for 400 pesos or go to one of the massage parlors. So, the girls don't do that many salidas unless they find a sugar daddy Gringo like me, Wastedgman, Mr. L, etc...

And, even then, we are somewhat locked into taking the same girls, our favorites, all the time, or we risk pissing off our favorite girls. Unless of course, we use the covert salida methods I discussed in a previous post, and even then, there is risk involved in trying to bar fine every girl in the same club. The girls are very, very possessive, and you could just as easily end up with none of them willing to go. You could end up with a whole bunch of "Angry Girls," or you could subsequently end up with only the least of your preferred choices being willing to go with you if you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off all your favoritas.

With respect to Carlos, a local, I've seen him go on salida once in a while, but I've not seen him do them very often. I believe he will confirm to you that it's on relatively rare occassion that he even wants to take one of the girls on salida. A local has all the time in the world to play around with the girls in the clubs, and there is less of an urgency for a local to do salidas with the girls.

Gringos that have the money, but do not visit Monterrey frequently, do not generally possess sufficient experience in Monterrey to effectively work the salida system, and/or they have limited Spanish communications skills, and/or they are insufficiently known to the girls to get them to agree to go on salida.

Many of the girls will decline to go on salida with you if they don't know you pretty well first. Many of them will, upon initially meeting them, tell you they do not do salidas because they consider it a dangerous thing to do without knowing you first. So, probably 90% of the Gringos coming to Monterrey willl ultimately find themselves patronizing the girls in the club setting and not on salida.

And, that's why I advocate that newbies, even experienced mongers but newbies to Monterrey, not even try doing salidas when they blow into town for short visits because, unless they have visited regularly, they will likely waste a lot of time trying to arrange salidas. I advocate that most come down to Monterrey and limit their activities to the club because of the significant cost and frustration level that can accompany the salida experience.

If a girl does get a customer willing to pay the salida on rare occassion, they do not apparently bring the girls to the hotels that I normally frequent. Most of my girlfriends had not ever initially visited the several local hotels I've introduced them to, and they are not known there, except perhaps with me of course.

Another point about the hotels is thes mongers might come back to MTY, but they're in town for a short time only. So, the staff will not always remember them. The chicas live and work in town. If they visit the hotels with different men on a regular basis, they will be recognized more easily.

MonterreyDude

10-08-06, 19:14

My 2 cents: Yes there are salidas and the unofficial salida. As locals, we go to either the short term love motels or if you are a bachelor, a 20something, you take her to the disco.
And then there are the guys that get to see the girls before work, or after work or on their day of rest. Thing is that now in every SC it is verboten to date the customers after th shift or after hours under pain of getting fined or getting kicked out of the club. So the girls might play dumb saying that "I dont do salidas" or "I dont see cutomers after hours".
what they do after hours is now plain top secret.
(Understand Unspongebob? why you are NOT supposed to talk to the waiters????).
And Minnesotha... we need to talk one of this days.
This is going to sound plain racist and classist, but SC girls, club girls, *****house girls, stick like a sore thumb in the midst of regular folk. It seem sir, that you have not visited the fancy area of MOnterrey, nor you have been to comercial district out side of Madero Avenue.
Let me asure you and I repeat one of my latter posts: a ho dressed in Pravda will alays be a ho. ( I didn't write that down, but I just saw the Devil Wore Pravda).
Unspongebob has been with me to the malls and knows that the girls can be singled out a mile away.
I do respect them as human beings, as friends, I will cherrish their company and never ever insult them for what they are.
But Uno acts in a nice way in the sense of how he treats the girls, like when at the hotel, where the guys went "ga ga" for the girl.. am sure in their mind they knew what kind of girl was dating the "gringo".

Valid point Minnesotah, but to cast a little more light on the subject of salidas in Monterrey, I have a few observations that might help other mongers understand the environment in Monterrey.

Salidas are still quite rare in Monterrey. The girls are not usually asked to do salidas too often by locals, and there really aren't too many Gringos visiting the clubs.

The salida seems to be kind of a novelty for the girls. I sense that the girls really like having the salida experience, and that they really like the idea that they have a steady customer that takes them on salida on a relatively frequent basis. The fact that a girl goes on salida, or more accurately, that she has a regularly paying customer that asks regularly to take her on salida, seems to be a point of pride among them. But, for many of them, they are only comfortable with a guy they have known a while, one they trust, and of course, preferably one they like and have affection for. The other exception to the rule of familiarity is if you're known to the girls in the club, either through their friends, or through management, or through the waiters, or if they have seen you in there regularly, then they're more comfortable with the idea that going with you may not be dangerous.

I have on occassion taken new girls into the privados, girls that are friends of my favoritas, and asked them if they will go on salida with me. They are usually eager to do so, and there is never a hint of any apprehension on their part whatsoever. So, being a regular customer has it's overall advantages because you are well know, and accepted by them as harmless.

But, of course, by taking too many of them overtly on salida, you run a huge potential risk of pissing off your favorite girls, girls who are probably hotter than one you may have just met that is a friend of your favorita, etc...But, I always like to find out where new girls stand with respect to their willingness to do salidas because you never know when your favoritas might turn into "Angry Girl" wannabe's, and you have to go to plan B.

The Monterrey scene is set up for on-site services, and most working class Mexicans, which is 95% of the clientelle in El Infinito, Matuehuela, El Cielo, and Givenchy, would never accept the high price of taking a girl on salida, 1350 pesos (at the cheapest rate), plus the cost of a hotel. Many of them do not want to spend that kind of money when they can just have the girl in the club for 400 pesos or go to one of the massage parlors. So, the girls don't do that many salidas unless they find a sugar daddy Gringo like me, Wastedgman, Mr. L, etc...

And, even then, we are somewhat locked into taking the same girls, our favorites, all the time, or we risk pissing off our favorite girls. Unless of course, we use the covert salida methods I discussed in a previous post, and even then, there is risk involved in trying to bar fine every girl in the same club. The girls are very, very possessive, and you could just as easily end up with none of them willing to go. You could end up with a whole bunch of "Angry Girls," or you could subsequently end up with only the least of your preferred choices being willing to go with you if you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off all your favoritas.

With respect to Carlos, a local, I've seen him go on salida once in a while, but I've not seen him do them very often. I believe he will confirm to you that it's on relatively rare occassion that he even wants to take one of the girls on salida. A local has all the time in the world to play around with the girls in the clubs, and there is less of an urgency for a local to do salidas with the girls.

Gringos that have the money, but do not visit Monterrey frequently, do not generally possess sufficient experience in Monterrey to effectively work the salida system, and/or they have limited Spanish communications skills, and/or they are insufficiently known to the girls to get them to agree to go on salida.

Many of the girls will decline to go on salida with you if they don't know you pretty well first. Many of them will, upon initially meeting them, tell you they do not do salidas because they consider it a dangerous thing to do without knowing you first. So, probably 90% of the Gringos coming to Monterrey willl ultimately find themselves patronizing the girls in the club setting and not on salida.

And, that's why I advocate that newbies, even experienced mongers but newbies to Monterrey, not even try doing salidas when they blow into town for short visits because, unless they have visited regularly, they will likely waste a lot of time trying to arrange salidas. I advocate that most come down to Monterrey and limit their activities to the club because of the significant cost and frustration level that can accompany the salida experience.

If a girl does get a customer willing to pay the salida on rare occassion, they do not apparently bring the girls to the hotels that I normally frequent. Most of my girlfriends had not ever initially visited the several local hotels I've introduced them to, and they are not known there, except perhaps with me of course.

Member #3453

10-08-06, 20:56

Carlos, oh yes, I'm sure the guys checking into the hotel that got a glimps of my girl arriving to greet me understood what was going on between me and "Ga Ga" Girl, no doubt. And...I agree with you about talking too much to the waiters about certain things, such as off-duty out calls. But, there are some clubs where the off-duty out calls are not taboo whatsoever. Some of the girls have told me that it doesn't matter what they do on their off time, so it must depend entirely on the club.

And, with respect to divulging certain things to waiters, sometimes there are manipulative negotiations that I feel the waiters may be able to assist me in, regardless of whether they intellectually comprehend the end result of my telling them something in the first place or not. When things have escalated to a point where they appear to be unsalvageable, such as is the case with Angry Girl, then I feel I have nothing to lose.

I am using them to acheive my ends, and I am gambling that they will deliver the message the way I want it to influence the circumstances. But, bottom line, with respect to my talking to a particular waiter at El Infinito about Angry Girl, I apparently have nothing to lose as a result. I'm simply playing all angles to patch up my "relationship" with Angry Girl, and I fail to see where "I" have anything to lose by having a waiter intervene to potentially act as a catalyst to eventually resuming communication with her.

With respect to society's taboos...By patronizing these pros we get a glimpse into the actual internal emotional workings of young girls, which also serves as a window into the actual, but otherwise socially masked desires of young non-pro girls in general.

Here is what I rejoice at...and, this is such a wonderful realization to experience first hand. I just have to express it once again. I am so happy about it that I feel like shouting it from the roof tops. I know it is going to sound like I am just another dilusional middle aged guy, but...

First, while society propagates the idea that young girls have no attraction to we middle aged men, I am here to testify with complete and total certainty, that, unlike the case of older women wanting to be sexually attractive to men, middle agedness in men is not the end of the road when it comes to our potential sex appeal with younger females.

The reluctance displayed by the younger female sex is a result of society passing judgement on all girls that might consider seeing an older man. It consequently places so much psychological pressure on younger girls to avoid older men that it limites their receptivity to us, which also severely limits our opportunity to have HOT young girls within the "legimized" World.

Most girls, because of society's taboo restrictions, maintain an outwardly "disinterested" attitude toward older men. It is partially because of biology, the obsurdity of a 20 year old girl hooking up with a 50 year old guy to have babies and raise a family. In addition, the girls wish to avoid being labeled by society as pros, so they squash any natural attraction that might actually be there, an attraction that I have experienced first hand with my young pros.

Conversely, while "biology" limits the sex appeal of older woman to almost ALL guys, regardless of age, "society's taboos" are the primary limitation that restricts younger women from acting on their attraction to some older men.

I now know from dealing with young pros, that younger girls do not lack the desire for older men as compared to a lack of desire for older women among men. I know very few young men that would desire a fifty year old woman. But, I am here to testify without reservation, and to swear that I am not dilusional, that I have met many, many, 20 something year old girls that like to be with older men, not just sexually, but with affection, and seemingly with a very strong nurturing emotion.

Those of you that have been able to "live" this realization like I have will agree that it is sooooooo comforting to know that a relatively large percentage of girls are actually, deep down, quite open to us, which is just the opposite with regard to men of any age desiring to be with older women.

I rejoice in the reality that when in the privacy of my hotel room, the taboos of society go out the window, and the girls react to me with significant passion and desire on their part, and also with significant affection and emotion as well. Furthermore, it's evident to me that, even at middle age, the girls have a "desire" for us that is not there compared to times when older women solicit attention from younger men, or men of any age.

Of course, my commentary here has nothing to do with the financial component that is part of these P4P liasons, but has more to do with what is remaining after the business is out of the way. I am NOT talking about what motivates the liason between the pro and the client, but about what is shared between the two on a sexual and emotional gratificational level, apart from money.

This truth is probably NUMBER ONE on the list of the Ten most profound Wonders of the World, and it is what illustrates the HUGE difference between the makeup of men and women. Here is my contravesial thesis, one that I present to the board for commentary...

First, young girls have a desire for older men that does not exist on the part of men of any age for older women. A woman's desire does not begin and end with SEX. If you apply a male perspective where female things are concerned, you will have missed the mark completely. If you do not understand the differences, and fail to apply what a woman desires from a man, which is a profoundly different reality than what a man typically desires from a woman, you will be severely limiting your desireability and sex appeal to younger girls as an older male.

If you know and understand these differences between the sexes, and you can understand the proper application of these principles, you as an older guy will have a shot at fueling the desires of younger women to be with you as an older male.

If you are a younger guy, you will think my comments are those of a "dilusional old guy" at best. But, keep in mind, as a younger guy, you have no basis from which to draw conclusions as they relate to being an older male in a world of young pussy. So, keeping an open mind as a younger male reading this is paramount to understanding my point.

If you are a younger male, and you are dismissing my comments here, when you finally reach middle age, my comments will become profoundly important, and hopefully you will harken back to them. It is at that time that you will undoubtedly THANK GOD for small favors after the truth of my comments become crystal clear.

But Uno acts in a nice way in the sense of how he treats the girls, like when at the hotel, where the guys went "ga ga" for the girl.. am sure in their mind they knew what kind of girl was dating the "gringo".

El Cabron 007

10-09-06, 04:59

That was poetic.

Let me add … The longer the girl works these clubs, the more she would desire older men, or let me say 'more mature guys'. They will quickly start to compare the behaviors of all ages, or maturity levels, and will conclude that those kids are just plain 'kids', ninos. The girls, in a year's time, would have met hundreds of men that vary in ages and will see the huge difference between a reckless 'Dean Martin' and an intellectual 'Sean Connery'.

I too will testify to the affection and love, not to forget passiveness, of a 20 something girl to a 40 plus man. My story is well known to those of you who know me.

Yes Uno Bob dude. You are 100% accurate in describing the inner desires of a 20 year old kid to a middle age man. I can not describe the look on one of the kids' face when she jumped with joy as I bought her a movie for 35 pesos and suggested lunch at Seberia(?) 40 pesos. She is a non-worker. Non pro, but took a great liking to me despite the fact that I was dating one of her girlfriends. She clings on to me, while walking Madero, like a child clings on to her daddy. I met her at the disco one night and had her the next afternoon.

Sugar Daddy? Not even. Money was never mentioned. And this is one of 2 non-pros that I have befriended, or whatever you want to call it, in MTY.

I reached the point of non-sexual friendship with another working girl who comes to me for pure friendship. No sex, no money. Just time with a friend.

While there are other girls I would like to shake off, I still have my list of favorites that i can not get enough of. Those are purely based on 'do me and pay me, more $$, see you manana?'

Wasted

Carlos, oh yes, I'm sure the guys checking into the hotel that got a glimps of my girl arriving to greet me understood what was going on between me and "Ga Ga" Girl, no doubt. And...I agree with you about talking too much to the waiters about certain things, such as off-duty out calls. But, there are some clubs where the off-duty out calls are not taboo whatsoever. Some of the girls have told me that it doesn't matter what they do on their off time, so it must depend entirely on the club.

And, with respect to divulging certain things to waiters, sometimes there are manipulative negotiations that I feel the waiters may be able to assist me in, regardless of whether they intellectually comprehend the end result of my telling them something in the first place or not. When things have escalated to a point where they appear to be unsalvageable, such as is the case with Angry Girl, then I feel I have nothing to lose.

I am using them to acheive my ends, and I am gambling that they will deliver the message the way I want it to influence the circumstances. But, bottom line, with respect to my talking to a particular waiter at El Infinito about Angry Girl, I apparently have nothing to lose as a result. I'm simply playing all angles to patch up my "relationship" with Angry Girl, and I fail to see where "I" have anything to lose by having a waiter intervene to potentially act as a catalyst to eventually resuming communication with her.

With respect to society's taboos...By patronizing these pros we get a glimpse into the actual internal emotional workings of young girls, which also serves as a window into the actual, but otherwise socially masked desires of young non-pro girls in general.

Here is what I rejoice at...and, this is such a wonderful realization to experience first hand. I just have to express it once again. I am so happy about it that I feel like shouting it from the roof tops. I know it is going to sound like I am just another dilusional middle aged guy, but...

First, while society propagates the idea that young girls have no attraction to we middle aged men, I am here to testify with complete and total certainty, that, unlike the case of older women wanting to be sexually attractive to men, middle agedness in men is not the end of the road when it comes to our potential sex appeal with younger females.

The reluctance displayed by the younger female sex is a result of society passing judgement on all girls that might consider seeing an older man. It consequently places so much psychological pressure on younger girls to avoid older men that it limites their receptivity to us, which also severely limits our opportunity to have HOT young girls within the "legimized" World.

Most girls, because of society's taboo restrictions, maintain an outwardly "disinterested" attitude toward older men. It is partially because of biology, the obsurdity of a 20 year old girl hooking up with a 50 year old guy to have babies and raise a family. In addition, the girls wish to avoid being labeled by society as pros, so they squash any natural attraction that might actually be there, an attraction that I have experienced first hand with my young pros.

Conversely, while "biology" limits the sex appeal of older woman to almost ALL guys, regardless of age, "society's taboos" are the primary limitation that restricts younger women from acting on their attraction to some older men.

I now know from dealing with young pros, that younger girls do not lack the desire for older men as compared to a lack of desire for older women among men. I know very few young men that would desire a fifty year old woman. But, I am here to testify without reservation, and to swear that I am not dilusional, that I have met many, many, 20 something year old girls that like to be with older men, not just sexually, but with affection, and seemingly with a very strong nurturing emotion.

Those of you that have been able to "live" this realization like I have will agree that it is sooooooo comforting to know that a relatively large percentage of girls are actually, deep down, quite open to us, which is just the opposite with regard to men of any age desiring to be with older women.

I rejoice in the reality that when in the privacy of my hotel room, the taboos of society go out the window, and the girls react to me with significant passion and desire on their part, and also with significant affection and emotion as well. Furthermore, it's evident to me that, even at middle age, the girls have a "desire" for us that is not there compared to times when older women solicit attention from younger men, or men of any age.

Of course, my commentary here has nothing to do with the financial component that is part of these P4P liasons, but has more to do with what is remaining after the business is out of the way. I am NOT talking about what motivates the liason between the pro and the client, but about what is shared between the two on a sexual and emotional gratificational level, apart from money.

This truth is probably NUMBER ONE on the list of the Ten most profound Wonders of the World, and it is what illustrates the HUGE difference between the makeup of men and women. Here is my contravesial thesis, one that I present to the board for commentary...

First, young girls have a desire for older men that does not exist on the part of men of any age for older women. A woman's desire does not begin and end with SEX. If you apply a male perspective where female things are concerned, you will have missed the mark completely. If you do not understand the differences, and fail to apply what a woman desires from a man, which is a profoundly different reality than what a man typically desires from a woman, you will be severely limiting your desireability and sex appeal to younger girls as an older male.

If you know and understand these differences between the sexes, and you can understand the proper application of these principles, you as an older guy will have a shot at fueling the desires of younger women to be with you as an older male.

If you are a younger guy, you will think my comments are those of a "dilusional old guy" at best. But, keep in mind, as a younger guy, you have no basis from which to draw conclusions as they relate to being an older male in a world of young pussy. So, keeping an open mind as a younger male reading this is paramount to understanding my point.

If you are a younger male, and you are dismissing my comments here, when you finally reach middle age, my comments will become profoundly important, and hopefully you will harken back to them. It is at that time that you will undoubtedly THANK GOD for small favors after the truth of my comments become crystal clear.

Member #3453

10-09-06, 14:06

Wastedgman,

You have wisely stumbled upon the reason behind what motivates some younger girls to seek the affections of a mature man. I have discovered that many girls have a void in their lives that only a mature man can fill.

Many of the them lack the care, concern, nurturing, etc...of a father figure. This is true in all cultures, but it seems that when I compare the passion of young Mexican girls to other cultures I have known, the need seems to be magnified within some of the poor working classes of Mexican girls compared to other cultures.

I theorize that many girls, especially girls in the Mexican culture that are from the poorer working classes, have fathers that have not given them a certain component of masculine nurturing that a young female must need.

I have theorized this about some of the working girls I know, and I have even gone so far as to asked them about their family dynamic, if their fathers lived with them during the childhood, if their nuclear families are still in tact, etc...and most of them seemed to indicate that their families were still in tact, some of them indicating that they loved the fathers dearly.

I can understand that a girl might need a father figure in a family where the father isn't around, but many of my girlfriends have father figures around, and that, in all theory, should have given them the masculine nurturing they crave. I'm reasonably sure there are just as many girls that did not have father figures around, and perhaps their cravings are even more magnified than the working girls I know that have in-tact families.

So, I don't know if it's a cultural issue specific to Mexico, and/or even possibly Latin America in general, or what. But, it seems like a large number of the Mexican girls from the poorer classes have a deeper void than girls from other cultures, or perhaps more so than girls in the US, etc...except that this phenomenon is not only isolated to the Mexican culture. It seems to cross all cultural lines, but to varying degrees.

Once the girls get a taste of the mature sensativities of a mature man, compared to the typically, sometimes impetuous, attentions of a younger man, they make a conscious decision that they prefer to have a mature man making love to them. Because the pros have such a widely varied sphere of experience, they have sampled all there is. Whereas, the non-pro good girl has a limited exposure to the affections of a mature man, and simply doesn't realize what she is missing. But the key word in all of this is that a mature man will "make love" to the younger girl, and a young man will have sex. There is a huge difference.

Frankly, I believe that a mature man conveys in his attentions, an appreciation for the young female that is NOT typically conveyed by the young male within the working lower classes of Mexican society. I also theorize that the machismo Mexican culture also produces a young male that finds any display of appreciate for the female to be a display of weakness.

So, therefore, the younger males are indoctrinated at a very early age to react to females with Machismo. They are reluctant to experiment by going against their cultural influences. The younger male usually follows in lock step by taking the Machismo route with the young girls by taking them for granting, showing them little true appreciation, using them only for their own sexual gratification, and forgeting about the emotional needs of the girl, etc...

So, along comes the mature man, and he sweeps them off their feet with the nurturing appreciation that is all but impossible for them to find in a younger Mexican working class males, verdad? Now, IMHO, if a younger man can harness that mature appreciation, and apply it as a mature man would instinctively apply it, by making love instead of just having sex, they will have it "made in the shade."

But, the bottom line is that what we give the girls may ultimately result in sex for us, but what we deliver the girls is most definitely emotional nurturing for them. I don't think that initially what the girls crave is necessarily sexual in essence. But, if we provide the mature nurturing they crave, the satisfaction of that craving results in sexual desire for us as mature men on the part of the girl.

IMHO, physical motivations of females compared to males is nowhere nearly comparable. And, that is where the younger males will assume we are dilusional as old guys, that somehow we believe we are physically as "attractive" as our younger counterparts. But, my theory is that we are not as physically attractive, but we are instead, emotionally attracive to them, a much more important element of overall male attractiveness in the human female.

I believe that girls are not physically attracted to males in the same way males are physically attracted to them. There is a physical attraction of course, but if you apply male standards to what motivates their physical attraction, you will be totally missing the mark.

In addition, their desire has nothing to do with a physical attraction to us compared to younger men. Mature nurturing is the emotionally based motivational catalyst that results in subsequent sexual desire in these girls.
They develop a sexual desire for us out of emotional need. They may think we are well groomed, sharp dressers, wealthy, handsome, etc...but, in my experience, most girls do not process appearance the same way that we men process appearance in women.

They might refer to a young male as HOT, but they are not processing the stimulous like we as males process the stimulous of a HOT girl. IMHO, physical motivations of females compared to males is nowhere nearly comparable...and that is why they are open to us as mature males, even with our physical wear, and our harder, slightly aged, exterior physical features. And, it is also why we as males do not find a mature female physically stimulating in kind. The stimulous is processed totally differently between male and female. And, it is also why we as mature men, have a shot at young nubile hotties...THANK GOD!!!

That was poetic.

Let me add … The longer the girl works these clubs, the more she would desire older men, or let me say 'more mature guys'. They will quickly start to compare the behaviors of all ages, or maturity levels, and will conclude that those kids are just plain 'kids', ninos. The girls, in a year's time, would have met hundreds of men that vary in ages and will see the huge difference between a reckless 'Dean Martin' and an intellectual 'Sean Connery'.

I too will testify to the affection and love, not to forget passiveness, of a 20 something girl to a 40 plus man. My story is well known to those of you who know me.

Yes Uno Bob dude. You are 100% accurate in describing the inner desires of a 20 year old kid to a middle age man. I can not describe the look on one of the kids' face when she jumped with joy as I bought her a movie for 35 pesos and suggested lunch at Seberia(?) 40 pesos. She is a non-worker. Non pro, but took a great liking to me despite the fact that I was dating one of her girlfriends. She clings on to me, while walking Madero, like a child clings on to her daddy. I met her at the disco one night and had her the next afternoon.

Sugar Daddy? Not even. Money was never mentioned. And this is one of 2 non-pros that I have befriended, or whatever you want to call it, in MTY.

I reached the point of non-sexual friendship with another working girl who comes to me for pure friendship. No sex, no money. Just time with a friend.

While there are other girls I would like to shake off, I still have my list of favorites that i can not get enough of. Those are purely based on 'do me and pay me, more $$, see you manana?'

Wasted

Doubt98

10-09-06, 16:01

What men and women want from a relationship, whether it is long term or short term are very different. When it is p4p it is strictly about sex for money. We would be delusional to think any different. If you are confused, try spending about a week in the "real world" with one of these women. I guarantee that 99% of the relationships would fly apart the 3rd day.
But here it is tricky. We find these young women beautiful. The definition of beauty is that it is the promise of happiness. Therefore beauty is in the eye of the beholder because different things, make different people happy. The beauty that most of us are seeing in these women is their youth. I know I wish I was 10, 15, 20 years younger. But with the same knowledge that I have today. When we are with these women they are giving us a piece of their youth in exchange for a piece of our legitemacy or maturity. This is where you can tell the newby from the seasoned pro. The pro doesn't have much youth left to give.
Yeah, I know that this is probably a taboo subject but here it goes. Now on our side we also lose some of our legitemacy and maturity when we are with these women. We will go to the clubs but we do not broadcast it. We remain anonymous even in here for the most part. And it does effect us.
But like everything else in life. Moderation. There are alot of things in life that are not good for us, but taken in moderation they can be of little detriment. They even add to our character. But just like smoking or alcohol, too much and you run the risk of losing more than you gain.
So moderation for all and all a good night.

Member #3453

10-09-06, 16:49

Doubt98,

I concur with your intial comments that it is initially all about the money.

But, to clarify my comments, I am referring more specifically to the actual moments they are with us, during the time when the only things in the world are they and us, and not necessarily to all the sociological reasons behind why they might be there, whether they would choose to have a "relationship" with us, etc...

I am referring to their affection for us in the moment, and our ability to apparently charm them to the point of legitimate affection for us, an affection that actually stimulates their desire for sex with us as mature males.

And, more interestingly, something that would not happen were I in the presence of a mature female attempting the same kind of charms on me.

And, you are soooooooo right. If we spent over a day with one of these women in a real life domesticated relationship, we would be looking for the nearest exit out of that scenario as soon as possible.

What men and women want from a relationship, whether it is long term or short term are very different. When it is p4p it is strictly about sex for money. We would be delusional to think any different. If you are confused, try spending about a week in the "real world" with one of these women. I guarantee that 99% of the relationships would fly apart the 3rd day.
But here it is tricky. We find these young women beautiful. The definition of beauty is that it is the promise of happiness. Therefore beauty is in the eye of the beholder because different things, make different people happy. The beauty that most of us are seeing in these women is their youth. I know I wish I was 10, 15, 20 years younger. But with the same knowledge that I have today. When we are with these women they are giving us a piece of their youth in exchange for a piece of our legitemacy or maturity. This is where you can tell the newby from the seasoned pro. The pro doesn't have much youth left to give.
Yeah, I know that this is probably a taboo subject but here it goes. Now on our side we also lose some of our legitemacy and maturity when we are with these women. We will go to the clubs but we do not broadcast it. We remain anonymous even in here for the most part. And it does effect us.
But like everything else in life. Moderation. There are alot of things in life that are not good for us, but taken in moderation they can be of little detriment. They even add to our character. But just like smoking or alcohol, too much and you run the risk of losing more than you gain.
So moderation for all and all a good night.

MonterreyDude

10-09-06, 17:43

Uno, I must agree with Doubt.
I think you are mixing 2 elements in the wrong way.
1. The girls like the company.
2. The girs like the money.
It's a fatal cocktail: if there is no #2 present in some way or another, there will be no #1.
And that's it.
We have a popular saying in Mexico that says "Money kills the stud" (more or less).
Money, being from the USA, representing the hope of a better and sustained life, etc, etc, makes the girls look at you with eyes of "love".
Remember always that no #2 brings no #1.
I just want you to tell them once, just as a test, that you have no money for them for a prolonged stay with you at the hotel.
They might fall, be with you, but be asured that #2 will kick in with out a warning, maybe not that day or maybe not tomorrow, but they will on the spot start saying "I have to go to the club, I have to go to the club".
They will not ask for money, but your image will be tarnished horribly (you are living that right now Uno) since you did not "give at the office".
You have to give at the office even if they don't ask for it.
Remember I told you about that one. You almost blew it there and then with Angry Girl when no money flashed around....

Doubt98,

I concur with your intial comments that it is initially all about the money.

But, to clarify my comments, I am referring more specifically to the actual moments they are with us, during the time when the only things in the world are they and us, and not necessarily to all the sociological reasons behind why they might be there, whether they would choose to have a "relationship" with us, etc...

I am referring to their affection for us in the moment, and our ability to apparently charm them to the point of legitimate affection for us, an affection that actually stimulates their desire for sex with us as mature males.

And, more interestingly, something that would not happen were I in the presence of a mature female attempting the same kind of charms on me.

And, you are soooooooo right. If we spent over a day with one of these women in a real life domesticated relationship, we would be looking for the nearest exit out of that scenario as soon as possible.

Member #3453

10-09-06, 21:01

Carlos,

We agree that money is the pre-requisite to P4P girls being there in the first place, and my prior posts acknowledge that.

Wives and legitimate girlfriends want our money, maybe even to a greater extent than our Monterrey SC girls. So, money makes the world go around.

What I refer to is the quality of experience from their perspective, after the business is concluded. What I find intellectually interesting is that the girls enjoy their time with us, and the money being paid to them is mutually exclusive of their enjoyment with us. Certainly it is a pre-requisite to P4P, but it IS mutually exclusive when it comes to their enjoyment level.

And, what is even more interesting is that, in stark contrast, as a male, even if I were paid a large sum of money to be the Gigolo to a mature female, I can almost assure you that I would not really enjoy the experience unless the mature female was unbelievably HOT for her age.

That is where males and females differ significantly, and that is the point of my prior posts.

Uno, I must agree with Doubt.
I think you are mixing 2 elements in the wrong way.
1. The girls like the company.
2. The girs like the money.
It's a fatal cocktail: if there is no #2 present in some way or another, there will be no #1.
And that's it.
We have a popular saying in Mexico that says "Money kills the stud" (more or less).
Money, being from the USA, representing the hope of a better and sustained life, etc, etc, makes the girls look at you with eyes of "love".
Remember always that no #2 brings no #1.
I just want you to tell them once, just as a test, that you have no money for them for a prolonged stay with you at the hotel.
They might fall, be with you, but be asured that #2 will kick in with out a warning, maybe not that day or maybe not tomorrow, but they will on the spot start saying "I have to go to the club, I have to go to the club".
They will not ask for money, but your image will be tarnished horribly (you are living that right now Uno) since you did not "give at the office".
You have to give at the office even if they don't ask for it.
Remember I told you about that one. You almost blew it there and then with Angry Girl when no money flashed around....

Lion Killer

10-10-06, 00:23

I just want to fuck them. I don' t care what they think, I don't care if they love me, hang on me, come to my hotel for 6 hours on a 1.5 hour salida. Bottom line I just want to fuck them. Kick them to the curb and go on the hunt for the next one.

We all have our reasons for mongerng, what you like I may not, what I like you may not. So to each his own, gotta love it. Its all about having fun for me.

LK

Member #3453

10-10-06, 02:21

MJ,

Your logic is right on the mark...I have to agree with everything you said. But...still, really, I just doubt seriously if I could "get it up" with most of the mature women out there, and it would be hard to fake it, even if I were in desperate need. That's what separates me from my girls. I would undoubtedly starve as a Gigolo, hahaha!!!

LK,

I have been accused of having an overly critical eye, and an even more critical evaluaton process.

Chemistry issues are really, really, important to me, as is "short" long time. It is important to me that the girl is either sincere in her affections toward me, which most of my selections seem to be, or she must be an academy award winning actress. Either will do, and it doesn't matter to me.

The affection angle is an intregal part of my personal preferences...and, as you say, to each his own. But, otherwise, I do not feel they are worth the money. Otherwise, I feel like the encounters are simply too clinical for my tastes. If I were only getting clinical encounters with the girls, I could simply go to the MPs, or the Strip Clubs here in the USA for outcalls, or arrange outcalls with pros through our local rag, and it would be infinitely cheaper for me than a trip to Monterrey, the airfare, the hotel costs, meals, etc...

But, generally, in Monterrey, I get a significantly better experience than I have experienced in the USA, and a totally believable illusion. That is why I go there...plus to visit Carlos, and to spend time with the boys, mis amigos ;-)

But, and Carlos will confirm this, my standards of acceptance are very strict when I select a girl, and she must deliver the illusion that I enjoy or she will not get bar fined a second time. Most of the girls I see are repeats. I repeat them because they give me the illusion I enjoy on a consistently believable basis. But, many available girls in Monterrey are not capable of delivering within my strict guidelines.

I've been told that I need to be less particular, and that I would have a wider selection to choose from. But, as you said, "to each his own."

...if you needed that job as a gigolo desperately and you learned over time that a certain type of woman will pay out big dividends if you treat her a certain way, then you would do whatever it takes.

A prostitue, over time, and out of neccesity becomes numb and begins to just play act with respect to their "relationships" with us. She treats us relative to the amount of money we can cough up to her either in the moment or over time. If we could change bodies with a poor Mexican farmer and we treated her with respect, as we do now, you can be sure that the act of being a nice guy would be thrown out the window almost as fast as we are kicked to the curb

I'm not saying that these girls don't enjoy their time with us, but its all relative. We may treat her nicer than her other customers and we may be able to give her more money than the next guy, but we're still customers. Customers to a difficult profession that she probably resents greatly, at least on a subconscious level. It would be like if I was run out of business at my school and my competitor hired me at a lower pay. I would be forced to work for him out of neccesity and I might be pleased to at least have a job, but I would never be friends with that man. As nice as he would treat me, he'd still be the symptom and/or cause of my suffering at the same time as being my savior. I would pretend to like him and, if he invited me to his house I'd take the invitation and show up, but never confuse neccesity with affection.

Prostitutes are actually very easy to figure out: They want our money and they get it because they give us sex. That's it. The car salesman likes us because we buy the car, but outside the dealership he couldn't care less about us.

Lion Killer

10-10-06, 22:51

By all means my friend I am not being critical of how you handle your romances and what you expect to achieve from them. I was just giving my point of what I like to get out of mongering. Please the statement I gave was not meant to be thwarted towards you. Just a reference of what I like.

LK

Member #3453

10-11-06, 01:25

LK,

HOLA!!! :-) No need to explain. Your comments were not taken in that manner...so, no problema mi amigo.

My rebutal was more intended as a clarification for all to see, just in case my overly "romanticized" comments might be misinterpreted by some as behaviors inherently "foolish."

But NOW....what follows is a little more fuel on the fire, eh?

I realize that to most mongers my romanticized approach comes across as naive and foolish. But, I am no worse for wear as a result. The girls have not taken me for large sums of money, no sugar daddy long distance payments, no standing at the altar, no stalkings, no expensive regalos, nada...just a little effort on my part at injecting some romance into my liasons...just enough that, apparently, the girls are enjoying the ride as much as I am. And, as has already been acknowledged, we all have a different mongering nirvana, verdad?

I know my romanticized perspectives on mongering are usually not part of the "conventional" wisdom, and sometimes, like the chicas I enjoy, my comments have more "drama" attached to them than even I actually subscribe to in actual practice.

But, I do have to admit that I love the GFE. And, my GFE's emulate all that the GFE has ever been defined as being. Certainly, the GFE is a different kind of mongering endeavor than some of you describe for yourselfs, not that there is anything wrong with that. And, don't get me wrong, I've had my share of pure unadulterated sexual escapades, threesomes in Bangkok, Pattaya, Colombia, AC, Manilla, Phnom Phen, Indonesia, Costa Rica, etc...none of them anything whatsoever to do with GFE I assure you (well, maybe a few...) But, they were all great "Olypiadic" sexual experiences. The point being that I have surveyed a very wide variety of hookers from which to make my assessments.

But, for me, in some of these other venues, I've found there to be less GFE compared to my experiences in Monterrey. There are times in these other venues, especially in SEA, where the sex was outstanding, but GFE was more illusive. For some reason, the girls from these other cultures do not possess the GFE potential of a HOT Mexican girl.

I just find that, on average, I hit it off really well with Mexican girls. I don't know if it's their manipulative acts, and/or their cultural conditioning, and/or their boiling blood. But, they are, for me, hotter than any other nationality I have ever been with. And, certainly, at least for me, their "acts" as a whole are much stronger than in some other venues.

So, after having experienced the "acts" of hookers from many different cultures, I began to question the extent to which the passions of Mexican girls are solely, in and of themselves, entirely "acts." And to question, if in some instances, their "acts" are not perhaps something "more" in their affections displayed in the passion of the moment.

I have developed this perspective after having sampled all there is to sample Worldwide, and do not make these assessments without having sufficient experience with all kinds of hookers from which to draw my conclusions. But, there again, preferences are as diverse as we mongers, and my preferences do not necessarily apply to other mongers, nor do I anticipate that some mongers will even understand my perspective.

Bottom line...when in Monterrey, I prefer, and seemingly get, on average, really strong GFEs with very little effort. So, I hone my edge, the romantic angle, in hopes that the trend continues...

By all means my friend I am not being critical of how you handle your romances and what you expect to achieve from them. I was just giving my point of what I like to get out of mongering. Please the statement I gave was not meant to be thwarted towards you. Just a reference of what I like.

LK

Money 69

10-11-06, 04:15

I would like to point out a couple things which may help some mongers here in their travels or when they goto call mexico from abroad.

http://www.cingular.com/mexico

Starting tomorrow 10/11/06 Mexico is requiring that calls placed from overseas to mexican cell phones be dialed containing a "1" between the country code (52) and the city code (ex. 81). For example, the number you would dial from the US before would normally be 01152818431XXXX will now look like this 011521818431XXXX. This applies to text message sent to mexican cellphones also. Starting on 11/01/06 surcharges of approx 17c will be added to calls being terminated to Mexican cellphones. I checked a calling card I normally use and found out they are 22c a min(www.uniontelecard.com). Other services might be able to even lower this rate more.

Also, theres some talk about dialing 044 (local cells) or 045 (LD cells) starting tomorrow also. I think this has to do only when you are calling from a landline, as pay telephones have had the 044 distinction for cells for as long as I have been going to Monterrey. Perhaps Carlos can clarify this issue, when dialing to or from a cell I have never had to dial that code before, but we'll see what happens with this change.

Anyway, just wanted to give everyone a heads up, you can check out http://www.cingular.com/mexico if you want some other input.

MonterreyDude

10-11-06, 07:27

Nope it won't happen today.
Here's the article... in Spanish, but it says so... entry is tomorrow but it won't be aplied by the tlephone companies.
It has been delayed till the outcome of I don't know what....

Está entrampado esquema telefónico

A pesar de que hoy entra en vigor, operadores no lo pondrán en práctica.

A pesar de que hoy entra en vigor la resolución del programa "El que llama paga nacional" en celulares, que permitiría a los usuarios recibir llamadas de otras ciudades en su celular sin pagar la larga distancia y que fue publicado el mes de abril, su implementación no se realizará.
La mayoría de los operadores de larga distancia permanecen amparados contra el inicio de este programa y de acuerdo con fuentes de Teléfonos de México, empresa que no se amparó y que debería iniciar hoy este servicio, tampoco lo pondrá en práctica "Las negociaciones están entrampadas con el resto de operadores y este es el motivo por lo que por lo pronto no se aplicará", señaló personal de Telmex que pidió el anonimato.
Eduardo Ruiz Vega, comisionado de Comisión Federal de Telecomunicaciones (Cofetel), aceptó que el vencimiento hoy del plazo de 180 días fijado en la resolución emitida sobre este programa el pasado 13 de abril, no significa su aplicación.
"Esto no va a entrar forzosamente mañana porque de entrada tendría que haber acuerdos y hasta este momento no los hay", dijo.
Consultados sobre su aplicación, voceros de Telcel, empresa con más del 75 por ciento del mercado, destacó que esta compañía celular está lista para la aplicación de la medida pero el inicio de éste depende de las autoridades.
"Estamos listos de manera técnica, pero esto (la implementación del programa) depende de los acuerdos de interconexión los cuales están en proceso.
"Existen otros involucrados y no nos corresponde sólo a nosotros, ya le manifestaremos a la autoridad que estamos en condiciones para que nos indique si lo aplicamos o en su caso cuándo se haría", agregó el vocero.
Las compañías Avantel, Axtel, Alestra y Maxcom mantienen amparos en contra de la medida ya que argumentan tendrá que existir una disminución en las tarifas de interconexión para su aplicación.
Por su parte, Abel Hibert, excomisionado de la Cofetel, señaló se requieren negociaciones entre las compañías para aplicar el nuevo plan ya que la resolución sobre tarifas de interconexión, que emitió el regulador a principios de septiembre no resuelven el problema.
"La disminución en tarifas de interconexión sobre la que se pronunció la Cofetel recientemente corresponde a una resolución que había quedado pendiente por los comisionados anteriores de Cofetel y no es una solución al problema actual", comentó.
Con el inicio de "El que llama paga nacional" el cargo por el tiempo aire local será cubierto por quien le marque a un usuario celular desde otra ciudad en el País o en el extranjero, cantidad que se sumará a los cargos que actualmente paga por servicio medido y larga distancia.

I would like to point out a couple things which may help some mongers here in their travels or when they goto call mexico from abroad.

http://www.cingular.com/mexico

Starting tomorrow 10/11/06 Mexico is requiring that calls placed from overseas to mexican cell phones be dialed containing a "1" between the country code (52) and the city code (ex. 81). For example, the number you would dial from the US before would normally be 01152818431XXXX will now look like this 011521818431XXXX. This applies to text message sent to mexican cellphones also. Starting on 11/01/06 surcharges of approx 17c will be added to calls being terminated to Mexican cellphones. I checked a calling card I normally use and found out they are 22c a min(www.uniontelecard.com). Other services might be able to even lower this rate more.

Also, theres some talk about dialing 044 (local cells) or 045 (LD cells) starting tomorrow also. I think this has to do only when you are calling from a landline, as pay telephones have had the 044 distinction for cells for as long as I have been going to Monterrey. Perhaps Carlos can clarify this issue, when dialing to or from a cell I have never had to dial that code before, but we'll see what happens with this change.

Anyway, just wanted to give everyone a heads up, you can check out http://www.cingular.com/mexico if you want some other input.

Member #3453

10-11-06, 13:13

I have Cingular as well, but I signed up at a time when they provided unlimited calling to/from Mexico as part of a Northern Hermisphere package deal.

The deal is no longer available, and if I change anything on my plan, I will suppposedly lose my "free" calls to/from Mexico. I have avoided changing anything with my plan because it has been such a sweet deal, being able to call back to the States, and visa versa, without any long distance charges. The only thing it costs me is minutes, which I seem to bank on a monthly basis, so no big deal.

I also have a "Go" phone, which is a Cincular "pay as you go phone," so I can call the girls without them having my actual US cell phone number. I'll send a text message on the "Go" phone over the next couple of days to see how the text message charges accrue.

Usually, when I use that phone, it has displayed that I've spent 5 cents to send a text. So, now, if in fact the calls go through under the new plan, perhaps it will display the sur charge in the total amount as well, if the changes are even implemented, which according to Carlos' article, they are delaying it. I hope they delay it all for a very long time.

Money 69

10-12-06, 02:25

Carlos,

Thanks for the info, so does it say when it will take place, from what I heard from another source it said that the new dialing scheme will take place today (11th) with the changes in charges taking place on the 1st of November. This is just what I heard and if you have anything that says something different I would like to know as I call to Mexico every day.

In regards to Unspongebob and the Cingular plan, is that the old AT&T North America plan? If so, its good that you have that, I use to have an unlimited plan with AT&T.

Member #3453

10-12-06, 02:57

FYI everybody...Text messages sent to Monterrey cell phones over the Cingular "Go" phone still reporting at a rate of 5 cents as of tonight. No upcharge is indicated on the read out after I sent some messages to a few of my girlfriends.

I have Cingular as well, but I signed up at a time when they provided unlimited calling to/from Mexico as part of a Northern Hermisphere package deal.

The deal is no longer available, and if I change anything on my plan, I will suppposedly lose my "free" calls to/from Mexico. I have avoided changing anything with my plan because it has been such a sweet deal, being able to call back to the States, and visa versa, without any long distance charges. The only thing it costs me is minutes, which I seem to bank on a monthly basis, so no big deal.

I also have a "Go" phone, which is a Cincular "pay as you go phone," so I can call the girls without them having my actual US cell phone number. I'll send a text message on the "Go" phone over the next couple of days to see how the text message charges accrue.

Usually, when I use that phone, it has displayed that I've spent 5 cents to send a text. So, now, if in fact the calls go through under the new plan, perhaps it will display the sur charge in the total amount as well, if the changes are even implemented, which according to Carlos' article, they are delaying it. I hope they delay it all for a very long time.

MonterreyDude

10-12-06, 18:30

Change of plans.
News just out today says the changes will be implemented by the first Saturday of November.

Carlos,

Thanks for the info, so does it say when it will take place, from what I heard from another source it said that the new dialing scheme will take place today (11th) with the changes in charges taking place on the 1st of November. This is just what I heard and if you have anything that says something different I would like to know as I call to Mexico every day.

In regards to Unspongebob and the Cingular plan, is that the old AT&T North America plan? If so, its good that you have that, I use to have an unlimited plan with AT&T.

Member #3453

10-12-06, 22:34

No, actually I got it from Cingular about a year or so ago. But, they aren't offering it any longer. I think it was offered just prior any affiliation between the old AT&T and Cingular, so maybe they were trying to compete with AT&T at that time. Then later, maybe Cingular decided it was no longer necessary because didn't Cingular absorb AT&T eventually?

It's a great plan. But, what worries me is that if I make any change whatsoever, even a special deal on a new phone, or anything at all, any change to my plan whatsoever, and I lose it. The plan must be killing them...but I love it!!!

Carlos,

Thanks for the info, so does it say when it will take place, from what I heard from another source it said that the new dialing scheme will take place today (11th) with the changes in charges taking place on the 1st of November. This is just what I heard and if you have anything that says something different I would like to know as I call to Mexico every day.

In regards to Unspongebob and the Cingular plan, is that the old AT&T North America plan? If so, its good that you have that, I use to have an unlimited plan with AT&T.

Doubt98

10-18-06, 21:35

I made it to Monterrey Monday morning. I stayed at a Proxima Hotel, the sister hotel to the Plaza del Arco, 2 blocks east on Modero ave. and across the street.
Advertised rate was 550 pesos with full breakfast. I told the girl that I had previously stayed there for 480p, (which was true). She matched that rate but only gave me the continental breakfast. Fine with me.
I walked through the "flea market" area by the arch. About 8-10 ladies were there. I was on a mission looking for a certain look, size, shape. None matched what I was seeking. I then went west across the street to walk by the ones that stand outside the little hotel and bar. They were a little more rough. If you have never seen the ones in the flea market, you should. They seem to be 18 to 25, better looking and not as hardened as the ones across the street. IMHO.
Next I took the metro west to the first stop, got off and walked the blocks around the supermarket. I saw one girl. I wouldn't have touched her at all. So bad I felt sorry for her. Looked strung out on drugs. Other than that it was a nice walk.
I headed down to the Matehuala at about 3 in the afternoon. The dancers were just gearing up. They slowly started filtering out. I found one that I liked and bought a privado downstairs. Just one song and was not that impressed. She had the body that I was looking for but like unospongebob talks about, the chemistry wasn't there. Stayed for a while longer then went back to the room to get some work done.
I got an email that cut my trip short. I had to leave the next morning (tuesday) so I set out Monday night to cover as much ground as I could. I ate tacos on the street and had a cup of the corn with chile and creme? I don't know what the name of it is, have never seen it before, but I liked it.
I knew I could always go to the Matehuala. It is probably one of my favorite bars of all time. I just like the atmosphere. I know it's not everyones cup of tea but it's mine. So I saved it for last in case I didn't find anything someplace else.
I looked in a couple of no-name dives in and around Colon Ave. Nothing at all. Then I marched down to the Infinito, nothing for me. I went to Tangalay next. My mesero spoke english and I asked him which of the girls would be best. The one he pointed out was not what I was after, so I chose a younger, thin girl. I bought a private dance from her. Here, they don't do much dancing. Actually the only reason to go upstairs with a girl is for sex. We had an interesting 4 minutes. Her asking for sex and me saying not now. I truly belive that is the first time in my life that has happened.
I left there and went to the Partenon. A girl here caught my eye, bought a dance and was really impressed, but not quite what I wanted. Plus she was a little insane, that is sort of a turn off.
Next I went to the Tango. This is not my favorite place but last time I was here I found a girl I really enjoyed. I ordered a coke, paid with a 200p bill. The waiter brings the drink and 120p, I don't speak spanish but he knew what I was asking. He plays stupid and walks off. I walk up to the bartender carrying my drink and change, he knows instantly what I am talking about. He steps outside and the waiter returns and hands me 60p. The rest of the evening my change is counted back to me. What nice people. I found what I was looking for here. Perfect body, pretty face and a good personality. As soon as she gets off stage she immediately comes over to my table. She sits in my lap and asks so sweetly I just had to buy her a drink. The chemistry is here with her. After about 20 minutes I ask her how much for 2 hours outside the club. She says $40 salida and $100 for her. We talked as best we could with my limited Spanish for a while longer and eventually I offered $40 for the club and $60 for her. She took it. I paid the club, then paid her and off we went.
Went to the motel around the corner (Casino?), paid $10 for a 2 hour room. No TV, only a fan but it wasn't that hot since it was the middle of the night. To sum it up: it was amazing. I couldn't have scripted a better time. The girl was fun, insatiable, and GFE all the way. I never asked her to do anything. She knew what I wanted before I did. Afterwards I stuck a tip in her pocket and walked her back to the club before I walked back to the motel.
Monterrey is an amazing city. On the way back at 2 in the morning I never felt scared or unsafe. I did see one drunk wobbling in the middle of the street but that was it.

Lion Killer

10-18-06, 23:05

Well I guess the great cell phone debate of 2006 is finally over, thank the lord.

LK

Doubt98

10-18-06, 23:54

I had such a good time with that girl I would like to stay in contact with her. Can anyone recomend a good cell plan.....

Money 69

10-19-06, 03:19

Even though it might not be important to you, there are plenty of us who like and might even need to stay in contact weather we are mongering or not. Your post is far more useless than anything posted about the changes in cellphones.

Well I guess the great cell phone debate of 2006 is finally over, thank the lord.

LK

MonterreyDude

10-19-06, 06:56

Am sure Lion Killer, a visitor to Monterrey that I have met several times, was a little sarcastic in his post, but not in the bad sense.
That is all.
Nothing to quarrel about, Money69

Even though it might not be important to you, there are plenty of us who like and might even need to stay in contact weather we are mongering or not. Your post is far more useless than anything posted about the changes in cellphones.

Member #3453

10-19-06, 14:05

LK, I agree that the cell phone discussion is muy aburrido, and I wish I had some "drama" to contribute instead of this dribble...POOR ME!!! Maybe a little more drama will come of my next trip at the end of October.

But, that having been said...Lo Siento, pero permitime uno mas commentario sobre el celulares, por favor...:-)

Doubt98,

I would consider a "pay as you go" phone if I were you, if all you need the phone for is to call your girlfriends in Mexico. I chose it for a couple of reasons, and that is even when I actually have the Cingular plan that permits me to call Mexico for only the cost of minutes and no long distance charges, a plan that is no longer offered.

First, I don't want Mexican bar girls having the phone number of my US cell phone, one that I use for business. Your number may show up on their caller ID. I once had Carlos check his caller ID when I called him from my US phone, and my name showed up.

But, then again, he had my number pre-entered in his phone. But, the system must have the means to identify incoming numbers if it showed up on his cell phone. I'm not sure about whether the number would actually reveal itself if the girl doesn't pre-enter your number in her phone. I know that when I use my Mexico phone, the girls know it's me, so the system does definitely "caller ID" when I am in Mexico using my "Mexico" designated phone. I have three phones, one US, one Mexico phone, and the Go phone...this almost seems like it's getting to the point of being ridiculous, verdad? I probably need to simplify my life!

But, to expand on my logic for choosing a GO phone...

I also don't want to be in the company of other people here in the US, and have a Mexican bar girl calling me. I have a Thai girlfriend, and she had my US cell phone number until I gave her the "Go" phone number instead. She would sometimes call or text me at the most inopportune times. What do I say, start speaking toher in Thai, as she is telling me I am "hansom man?" Or, what will others think if you are telling your Mexican girlfriend "te quiero mi amore," "tu eres muy caliente, mi amore" etc...hahahaha!!!

Secondly, most of the time, the girls are reluctant to spend too much time conversing by voice. It simply costs them too much. They can't afford to buy phone cards too often. In fact, many of the girls have interrupted service because they just can't afford to keep their phones charged with minutes. You will find that to be a common circumstance when you start to call them over the course of several months.

Text messaging is the way they generally go if they have short messages to convey. The only time I see them get on the phone and use voice communication is if they are being called about a specific thing that is just too lengthy to text. The cost to send a text message, even on a pay as you go phone, is only 5 cents per transmission right now from the US, but the surge charge may, or may not, accrue in la futura. I will have to let you know on that one.

Thirdly, with the pay as you go phone, you don't have any contracts, no additional monthly charges, no taxes, etc...Unless you plan to stay on the phone with chicas for hours on end, which is doubtful unless one knows a lot of fluent Spanish, you will probably be more easily understood by text messaging her, where you can use a Spanish dictionary to get you point across to her accurately.

Most of the time, I use the phone just to send my girlfriends messages that I will be coming in town, etc...or, to call them briefly to let them know when I will be arriving, or on rare occassion, just to say hello. But, if I do call them with a voice message, I am not usually on very long, just a couple of minutes. Unless you spend a lot of time on that phone to your girlfriends, I doubt that spending the money to get on some kind of Mexico plan would be cost effective.

I do converse with Carlos relatively frequently on my US phone, but he is aware of my personal circumstances, and he's always careful to be discrete, and he's sensitive to my situation, so there is never an issue. Carlos uses my US phone number to contact me because I need him to be able to reach me conveniently and in a timely manner. The other phone is less convenient for that because I generally leave the "Go" phone turned off unless I am checking text messages or getting ready to use it to call/text a girlfriend.

So, like Osama's crew knows, anonymity is well established with a "pay as you go phone," provided you activate it with false information, which I did not do, but it is an option for true stealth communication.

I had such a good time with that girl I would like to stay in contact with her. Can anyone recomend a good cell plan.....

Velicata

10-19-06, 16:47

Hey Sponge man,

I plan on coming down from Laredo for my second time on October 28th. Will you be in town then?

Member #3453

10-19-06, 17:58

I should arrive in Monterrey between 7-9pm on 10/28. Send me a PM and I'll give you my Mexico Cell Number.

Hey Sponge man,

I plan on coming down from Laredo for my second time on October 28th. Will you be in town then?

Lion Killer

10-19-06, 22:25

I could comment back to NoMoMoney about his cell phone comment Carlos my friend, but he is just worth the type. Glad you caught that is was just a joke in passing, wish others were not so much of a pin head. Peace out.

LK

Member #3453

10-22-06, 22:29

i was up early this morning, making some bracelets as small regalos for my girlfriends in monterrey, just a little advanced preparation for next week's visit. i decided that it's probably easier to make a few of them here at home, incrementally over time, rather than to drag my jewelry making paraphernalia to monterrey. now that i am taking the bus, jockeying luggage around, walking across the border, etc...i am trying to pack light, and dragging that stuff with me gets a little too cumbersome these days.

in a few days, i will also begin the process of making homemade cookies for distribution to the girls, the club managers, some of the waiters, and of course, mis amigos in monterrey, carlos, porker, and whomever else is present for next week's visit.

anyway, in the early wee hours of this morning, as i was making a beautiful hearingbone bracelet out of exotic seed beads, i asked myself...why? why am i messing with all this crap? besides, of course, the self defacating result of having done a good deed. and then, there is the edge that one sometimes needs when one is the middle aged "odd man out" among the gorgeous twenty year olds. ah yes, i am not too ashamed to admit that my motives are, at times, not so altruistic as i might otherwise imply herein.

and, of course, the cookies are damned good, and i enjoy eating them, and making them available as a desert item for mis amigos. but, altruistically, with respect to why i do it for the girls, i decided that it must be because i am a foolish sentimentalist in addition to all the self gratification.

i know these girls are prostitutes, some of them quite hardened, and some of them extremely manipulative/insincere. but, there are some out there that are still quite sweet, even at times, the insincere and manipulative ones. even the ones that demonstrate that they are hardened pros have their fleeting moments, moments that remind me of just the regular "girl next door" kind of spirit.

i decided as part of my analysis this morning that it is for those, the ones that have not completely soured, and/or the ones that i can still get an occassional glimpse of what they still are deep inside, and what i imagine they once might have been, that i make the effort. my sentimentality extends to just a handful of some of the girls, the ones that stir in me a sincere affectionate and sentimental emotion.

i realize that they were once just innocent young girls, with the same hopes, dreams, and aspirations that i have witnessed with respect to good girls here in the us. specifically, my thoughts contemplate the hearts and minds of "good girl" females. i am saddened at the realization that for our bad girls, the lost hopes and dreams that they might have once aspired to as young girls, or even still yet dream to achieve some day when they get out of the biz, might never have been forfeit had they taken a different path, thereby actually preserving their inherent sweetness rather than corrupting it on us, the mongering hords.

that realization causes me to contemplate what might have been for some of my girlfriends, had things been different for them. i am compelled to contemplate what they might have been had they made better choices with their life's decisions, and/or had they been born into the more affluent class of mexican society, and/or had they been dealt a different lot in life, and/or had they been born straight instead of gay, and/or had they not gotten pregnant, and/or had they not been molested at an early age, etc...,etc...,etc...it goes on, and on, and on, as to why some of them are doing what they do to earn a living.

not every mexican girl is a hooker. there are tons of them working dead end jobs all over monterrey. most mexican girls would rather throw themselves in front of one of those speeding buses you see running around monterrey than to contemplate the life chosen by our girlfriends.

don't misunderstand, i recognize each of my girlfriends for what they individually are now, at this time in their lives, and i am cautious about allowing my sentimentality to boil over to the point of financial or emotional foolishness on my part. i do know quite well where to draw the line. but, there are times when my girlfriends reveal the innocent sweetness that is still there in their psyches, elements that are inherent in all young innocent girls prior to whatever level of corruptibility they succomb to.

i can't help but have what i describe as heartfelt regret and melancholy, for what was lost when they decided to pursue their individual lifestyles, all be they for my own lacivious benefit. they must have once been sweet, innocent, uncorrupted young girls. so, it is for the innocent little girl in each of them, at least the ones that i believe have an inherent sweetness about them, that i make the kind of effort i do with respect to the cookies, the regalos, etc...

obviously, i am stuck here in the waste land, with very little else to contemplate until i arrive in mty next week. so, my philosophical side is the only contribution to the board that i can make until next week. your comments, observations, and opinions are welcome...oh, and by the way, go cards!!!

El Cabron 007

10-23-06, 06:13

i once asked carlos if we can start a program to get those girls out of this line of work into a better life. i still tell all the new workers to get the hell out of this low life career. i feel with you my friend. i understand.

and to make thing worse, i also feel the guilt of feeding into this business. it is you and i that keep them coming back for more. we demand and they supply.

however, unlike you, i stop myself from bringing back gifts that i want to give to a few. i ask myself the same question. 'why?' why should i bother? if i bring a gift or not, they will still please me and wait for me to come back. if they are not there, i take the next one. so why should i waste $2 on each on o them?

when someone in monterrey decided to create this line of business to please the man, they had no regards to those innocent lives they are exploiting. they had $$$ in mind. when the girls work those clubs, they too have the same goal. money. let's take their money. give them what they want and move on to the next customer.

i don't think my feeling of guilt will be the reason i might end my visits. i it will be my guilty feeling of committing the sins. or may be it would be a 20-80% combo.

wasted

i was up early this morning, making some bracelets as small regalos for my girlfriends in monterrey, just a little advanced preparation for next week's visit. i decided that it's probably easier to make a few of them here at home, incrementally over time, rather than to drag my jewelry making paraphernalia to monterrey. now that i am taking the bus, jockeying luggage around, walking across the boarder, etc...i am trying to pack light, and dragging that stuff with me gets a little too cumbersome these days.

in a few days, i will also begin the process of making homemade cookies for distribution to the girls, the club managers, some of the waiters, and of course, mis amigos in monterrey, carlos, porker, and whomever else is present for next week's visit.

anyway, in the early wee hours of this morning, as i was making a beautiful hearingbone bracelet out of exotic seed beads, i asked myself...why? why am i messing with all this crap? besides, of course, the self defacating result of having done a good deed. and then, there is the edge that one sometimes needs when one is the middle aged "odd man out" among the gorgeous twenty year olds. ah yes, i am not too ashamed to admit that my motives are, at times, not so altruistic as i might otherwise imply herein.

and, of course, the cookies are damned good, and i enjoy eating them, and making them available as a desert item for mis amigos. but, altruistically, with respect to why i do it for the girls, i decided that it must be because i am a foolish sentimentalist in addition to all the self gratification.

i know these girls are prostitutes, some of them quite hardened, and some of them extremely manipulative/insincere. but, there are some out there that are still quite sweet, even at times, the insincere and manipulative ones. even the ones that demonstrate that they are hardened pros have their fleeting moments, moments that remind me of just the regular "girl next door" kind of spirit.

i decided as part of my analysis this morning that it is for those, the ones that have not completely soured, and/or the ones that i can still get an occassional glimpse of what they still are deep inside, and what i imagine they once might have been, that i make the effort. my sentimentality extends to just a handful of some of the girls, the ones that stir in me a sincere affectionate and sentimental emotion.

i realize that they were once just innocent young girls, with the same hopes, dreams, and aspirations that i have witnessed with respect to good girls here in the us. specifically, my thoughts contemplate the hearts and minds of "good girl" females. i am saddened at the realization that for our bad girls, the lost hopes and dreams that they might have once aspired to as young girls, or even still yet dream to achieve some day when they get out of the biz, might never have been forfeit had they taken a different path, thereby actually preserving their inherent sweetness rather than corrupting it on us, the mongering hords.

that realization causes me to contemplate what might have been for some of my girlfriends, had things been different for them. i am compelled to contemplate what they might have been had they made better choices with their life's decisions, and/or had they been born into the more affluent class of mexican society, and/or had they been dealt a different lot in life, and/or had they been born straight instead of gay, and/or had they not gotten pregnant, and/or had they not been molested at an early age, etc...,etc...,etc...it goes on, and on, and on, as to why some of them are doing what they do to earn a living.

not every mexican girl is a hooker. there are tons of them working dead end jobs all over monterrey. most mexican girls would rather throw themselves in front of one of those speeding buses you see running around monterrey than to contemplate the life chosen by our girlfriends.

don't misunderstand, i recognize each of my girlfriends for what they individually are now, at this time in their lives, and i am cautious about allowing my sentimentality to boil over to the point of financial or emotional foolishness on my part. i do know quite well where to draw the line. but, there are times when my girlfriends reveal the innocent sweetness that is still there in their psyches, elements that are inherent in all young innocent girls prior to whatever level of corruptibility they succomb to.

i can't help but have what i describe as heartfelt regret and melancholy, for what was lost when they decided to pursue their individual lifestyles, all be they for my own lacivious benefit. they must have once been sweet, innocent, uncorrupted young girls. so, it is for the innocent little girl in each of them, at least the ones that i believe have an inherent sweetness about them, that i make the kind of effort i do with respect to the cookies, the regalos, etc...

obviously, i am stuck here in the waste land, with very little else to contemplate until i arrive in mty next week. so, my philosophical side is the only contribution to the board that i can make until next week. your comments, observations, and opinions are welcome...oh, and by the way, go cards!!!

MonterreyDude

10-23-06, 06:42

Let me remind you the following.
Girls get like 10 times more money in said "line of work" than at regular job where they are as equaly exploited for the sake of an "owner" sometimes at even worse conditions.
You have been to Mty many times and you have never wondered at what level the salaries for girls go at places like the "puesteros" where Claudia is a manager or lets say, the Starbucks at the highend Colonia del Valle.
No my friend... I worry about our society that turns their head to other places and play dumb when asked why isn't the oldest business of the world eradicated.
Cause they can not face the truth that they can not offer a better option.

I once asked Carlos if we can start a program to get those girls out of this line of work into a better life. I still tell all the new workers to get the hell out of this low life career. I feel with you my friend. I understand.

And to make thing worse, I also feel the guilt of feeding into this business. It is you and I that keep them coming back for more. We demand and they supply.

However, unlike you, I stop myself from bringing back gifts that I want to give to a few. I ask myself the same question. 'Why?' Why should I bother? If I bring a gift or not, they will still please me and wait for me to come back. If they are not there, I take the next one. So why should I waste $2 on each on o them?

When someone in Monterrey decided to create this line of business to please the man, they had no regards to those innocent lives they are exploiting. They had $$$ in mind. When the girls work those clubs, they too have the same goal. Money. Let's take their money. Give them what they want and move on to the next customer.

I don't think my feeling of guilt will be the reason I might end my visits. I it will be my guilty feeling of committing the sins. Or may be it would be a 20-80% combo.

Wasted

Member #3453

10-23-06, 12:32

And, therein lies the dichotomy, the conflict in my soul...I am torn between my affections for them, my feeling sorry for them, my appreciation of their charms and sweetness, versus my own lust for their sexual and emotionally affectionate attentions. Also, it is my own stage of life that plays into my contemplations...father of grown daughters, grandpa to young sweet innocent grandaughters, my own mother, my teenage neices, etc...all the effects that family life has upon one's perspective in life.

As active mongers, we are all trapped in this vicious, but apparently physically and emotionally necessary, cycle. Certainly, I could never considering retirement from mongering, even if the courage of my convictions loomed large on my conscience...fact is, I don't really think I could retire from it. It's just one of those urges in life, like breathing, eating, sh....., oh well, you get my drift.

But, whenever I do begin to feel guilty for my patronization of them, I stop to realize that it is they that offer themselves up to the mongering hords. As I mentioned, there are millions of the young sweet things that would never consider such a life, even when, as Carlos has eloquently suggested, there is no other path of opportunity to a comparatively affluent life in Mexico. And, if they are seemingly happy with me, then I have to figure, "what the hell," if not me, then it will be someone else, and most likely someone that does not show them my level of appreciation.

So, philosophically, perhaps I have stumbled upon the deeper reason for my attentions. I believe that I make the cookies, and the handmade, personalized, but relatively cheap, regalos to also pay them an emotional/spiritual tribute that hopefully cancels out, or at least mitigates, the ugliness and potentially damaging effects on them, at least to whatever extent my participation with them does so.

Perhaps it's my own attempt to legitimize my patronization of them by giving them something other than money, something that comes from my heart, something unrelated to why they do what they do. Obviously, they are well compensated by me with money, and to the point of being extremely well paid within the confines of the Mexican economy. But, from my soul, I feel that in order to legitimize our encounters, I am compelled to also pay them an additional tribute, something unrelated to money.

Besides, my tributes cost me next to nothing financially, and they are a nurturing catalyst to the GFE. So, there is really no financial down side to my interjecting these kinds of affections into my encounters with them. But, I think that by my paying these additional tributes to the girls, I am paying them an emotional toll that acts to cancel out their sacrifices to me.

The way I see it, the payment of money is like a ransom that does not legitimize their affections for us. Perhaps by giving them the little regalos, I am somehow hoping that by paying the ransom in legitimately demonstrated affectionate attentions on my part, something that would otherwise be necessary in return for their affections were they "good girls," I am hoping that I am not stealing their innocense from them like the hords of mongers that they sacrifice themselves to otherwise. Because, in making the added effort, I am also sacrificing an emotional toll as well, giving to them from my heart, and also setting myself up for emotional disappointments in the process. So, I do not make these efforts without being fully aware of the potential consequences on me. But...

I am hoping that my demonstrations of affection in the form of emotional nurturing will cancel out things I am taking from them, their innocense, their self worth, their youth, their inherent sweetness, their pride, etc...I am hoping, perhaps foolishly, that by giving something back to them in my own demonstrations of my affection for them, that their inherent internal beauty will be preserved within the confines of my relationship with them, and that their encounters with me will not be seen by them as just another leaching of their souls. I am hoping that my sincerity with them will cancel out, or at least mitigate, what that life must be doing to them, at least with respect to my participation in it.

I once asked Carlos if we can start a program to get those girls out of this line of work into a better life. I still tell all the new workers to get the hell out of this low life career. I feel with you my friend. I understand.

And to make thing worse, I also feel the guilt of feeding into this business. It is you and I that keep them coming back for more. We demand and they supply.

However, unlike you, I stop myself from bringing back gifts that I want to give to a few. I ask myself the same question. 'Why?' Why should I bother? If I bring a gift or not, they will still please me and wait for me to come back. If they are not there, I take the next one. So why should I waste $2 on each on o them?

When someone in Monterrey decided to create this line of business to please the man, they had no regards to those innocent lives they are exploiting. They had $$$ in mind. When the girls work those clubs, they too have the same goal. Money. Let's take their money. Give them what they want and move on to the next customer.

I don't think my feeling of guilt will be the reason I might end my visits. I it will be my guilty feeling of committing the sins. Or may be it would be a 20-80% combo.

Wasted

Member #3453

10-23-06, 22:25

an intellegent literarian from the board has pointed out to me that my comment concerning "self defecating" might mean that i was "shitting on myself," and that perhaps i meant to say "self deprecating" in my prior post concerning my "concern" for my girlfriends. so, in the interest of setting the record straight, i replied via pm to his keen discernment with the following comments:

"well, when i chose that word, i had the same humourous thoughts you had, and certainly, most on the board would jump at the prospect that i meant to "shit on myself," hahaha." you'all being so kinky and all, right?

"but, the other definition of defecating, as defined by webster anyway, is that of "purification," in the sense that my concern for the girls would perhaps be "self purifying."

on the other hand, self deprecating would also apply as well, meaning to express "regret." certainly, both words could apply to my thesis, but i meant self defecating in the sense that my consideration of the girls would be self cleansing.

anyway, i probably should have used a word that would not have been so easily confused, especially around the mongering crowd, verdad? :-)"

i was up early this morning, making some bracelets as small regalos for my girlfriends in monterrey, just a little advanced preparation for next week's visit. i decided that it's probably easier to make a few of them here at home, incrementally over time, rather than to drag my jewelry making paraphernalia to monterrey. now that i am taking the bus, jockeying luggage around, walking across the border, etc...i am trying to pack light, and dragging that stuff with me gets a little too cumbersome these days.

in a few days, i will also begin the process of making homemade cookies for distribution to the girls, the club managers, some of the waiters, and of course, mis amigos in monterrey, carlos, porker, and whomever else is present for next week's visit.

anyway, in the early wee hours of this morning, as i was making a beautiful hearingbone bracelet out of exotic seed beads, i asked myself...why? why am i messing with all this crap? besides, of course, the self defacating result of having done a good deed. and then, there is the edge that one sometimes needs when one is the middle aged "odd man out" among the gorgeous twenty year olds. ah yes, i am not too ashamed to admit that my motives are, at times, not so altruistic as i might otherwise imply herein.

and, of course, the cookies are damned good, and i enjoy eating them, and making them available as a desert item for mis amigos. but, altruistically, with respect to why i do it for the girls, i decided that it must be because i am a foolish sentimentalist in addition to all the self gratification.

i know these girls are prostitutes, some of them quite hardened, and some of them extremely manipulative/insincere. but, there are some out there that are still quite sweet, even at times, the insincere and manipulative ones. even the ones that demonstrate that they are hardened pros have their fleeting moments, moments that remind me of just the regular "girl next door" kind of spirit.

i decided as part of my analysis this morning that it is for those, the ones that have not completely soured, and/or the ones that i can still get an occassional glimpse of what they still are deep inside, and what i imagine they once might have been, that i make the effort. my sentimentality extends to just a handful of some of the girls, the ones that stir in me a sincere affectionate and sentimental emotion.

i realize that they were once just innocent young girls, with the same hopes, dreams, and aspirations that i have witnessed with respect to good girls here in the us. specifically, my thoughts contemplate the hearts and minds of "good girl" females. i am saddened at the realization that for our bad girls, the lost hopes and dreams that they might have once aspired to as young girls, or even still yet dream to achieve some day when they get out of the biz, might never have been forfeit had they taken a different path, thereby actually preserving their inherent sweetness rather than corrupting it on us, the mongering hords.

that realization causes me to contemplate what might have been for some of my girlfriends, had things been different for them. i am compelled to contemplate what they might have been had they made better choices with their life's decisions, and/or had they been born into the more affluent class of mexican society, and/or had they been dealt a different lot in life, and/or had they been born straight instead of gay, and/or had they not gotten pregnant, and/or had they not been molested at an early age, etc...,etc...,etc...it goes on, and on, and on, as to why some of them are doing what they do to earn a living.

not every mexican girl is a hooker. there are tons of them working dead end jobs all over monterrey. most mexican girls would rather throw themselves in front of one of those speeding buses you see running around monterrey than to contemplate the life chosen by our girlfriends.

don't misunderstand, i recognize each of my girlfriends for what they individually are now, at this time in their lives, and i am cautious about allowing my sentimentality to boil over to the point of financial or emotional foolishness on my part. i do know quite well where to draw the line. but, there are times when my girlfriends reveal the innocent sweetness that is still there in their psyches, elements that are inherent in all young innocent girls prior to whatever level of corruptibility they succomb to.

i can't help but have what i describe as heartfelt regret and melancholy, for what was lost when they decided to pursue their individual lifestyles, all be they for my own lacivious benefit. they must have once been sweet, innocent, uncorrupted young girls. so, it is for the innocent little girl in each of them, at least the ones that i believe have an inherent sweetness about them, that i make the kind of effort i do with respect to the cookies, the regalos, etc...

obviously, i am stuck here in the waste land, with very little else to contemplate until i arrive in mty next week. so, my philosophical side is the only contribution to the board that i can make until next week. your comments, observations, and opinions are welcome...oh, and by the way, go cards!!!

GeorgeB9

10-23-06, 22:40

I have the chance of a week in Monteray from November 11th, and would love some advice. As an older guy what is the best method of meeting a girl, is it escort ads, streetwalkers, clubs (not my favourite generally). Also any girl friendly cheaper range hotels, or is an appartment better (if any)? Advice on price to pay (dont even know peso exchange rate) and any hazards also appreciated. I am usually in Eastern Europe so this will be different. If anyone will help and does'nt want to bore everyone with info known to all there, a private message would be great. In anticipation - many thanks!!

MonterreyDude

10-24-06, 07:47

Hello George.
In Monterrey, as you must have already read in the posts, the strip clubs rule. Unspongebob, Wasted and myself dig in the SCs to find girls and we do it with a high rate of succes.
By "older guy", please George, PM and state your age. Iam a proud 48 year old and never regreting boasting my age.
Escort ads: not recomended.
Apartments: no
Hotels: trouble is only a few let the girls in.
(I see you do not have an idea of the size of Monterrey... we are 4 mil by now.)
Prices to pay: on average, 1000 pesos (11 pesos per American Dll.) plus the house fee (average is 500 pesos).
We have no Red Light district. Everything is spread in the downtown area.
What else George?
The guys and me will be glad to help you out.

I have the chance of a week in Monteray from November 11th, and would love some advice. As an older guy what is the best method of meeting a girl, is it escort ads, streetwalkers, clubs (not my favourite generally). Also any girl friendly cheaper range hotels, or is an appartment better (if any)? Advice on price to pay (dont even know peso exchange rate) and any hazards also appreciated. I am usually in Eastern Europe so this will be different. If anyone will help and does'nt want to bore everyone with info known to all there, a private message would be great. In anticipation - many thanks!!

Member #3453

10-24-06, 13:10

Hola JorgeB9,

As long as Carlos is boasting his age, I will shamelessly admit that I am 50 years young. Either, we are both as suave and debonaire as Brad Pitt, or the girls are open to guys that are our ages because we have the money. Speaking only for myself, I sincerely suspect it's the later.

I recommend you look at some of my prior posts to get a very accurate picture of what is available in Monterrey, and how to navigate the environment there. Carlos will also have extensive details in his prior posts. Carlos also has maps available to the various clubs, but with the email restrictions on ISG, I'm not really sure they can be conveyed to the masses any longer. Carlos can address that issue with you directly. I suggest you Private Message him for further details.

Actually, if you check some of my prior posts, you will see that I've commented extensively, marveling over the willingness of young girls, girls as young as eighteen, girls into their early to mid-twenties, and certainly girls into their late twenties and early thirties, to go with men of our age group, and that they seemingly actually like it, or at least "act" like they like it...

But, I actually think they do like it, and it doesn't seem to be an act with most of them. But, it depends on your selection process, and whether you find the ones that have decided they prefer going with "older guys." And, there are girls that have convinced me that it's a conscious decision on their part. There are a lot of girls that apparently prefer going on salida with older guys versus the young ones.

There are girls that have convincingly told me that apparently some of the young Mexican guys are just too impetuous and immature, and that the older men are preferable to them. Of course, I realize this may be a line they're feeding me as an older male, but if my success rate with them is any indication of their willingness to go on salida with an older man, then they are being truthful about their preferences, with all due respect given to the financial incentives of course.

I am always skeptical when they tell me they prefer older men, but with some, I actually believe they have a preference going on salida with older men. That is not to say they actually prefer older men to a young stud that they themselves might select from their list of eligible candidates in the real world. But, within the context of going on salidas, and with respect to that being their business, some of the girls have convinced me that they prefer going with older guys.

Maybe it's our money, we being the more affluent age group, and/or maybe it's our maturity, we being less impetuous and more seasoned than the young and sometimes immature Mexican dudes they have to deal with all the time. But, more than likely, maybe it's more accurately my hope, fantasy, and imagination...hahaha. But, regardless, you'll believe they are for real when you're with them. Some of the girls are quite good at making you believe you're twenty again.

I recommend you stay at Hotel Plaza Del Arco located at Madero and Pino Suarez in Downtown Monterrey. It's located approximately a half hour from the airport, and it will cost you around 240 pesos (under $24 with the exchange rate) to get from the airport to the hotel. Hotel Plaza Del Arco should cost you around 580 pesos per night (slightly under $58US).

Hotel Plaza Del Arco is perfectly situated at ground zero, and close to most of the desireable clubs. Many of the recommended strip clubs I mention here are within walking distance, usually 15 to 20 minutes on foot from the hotel, especially El Infinito, El Cielo, Matehuela, Tangalay, Parthenon, Extasis, Obsession, and Givenchy. But, if you choose to take a taxi to them from the hotel, it will not cost you over 20 pesos (under $2US).

You will be most successful if you know some Spanish. If you do not know Spanish, then just find the waiters in the clubs that know some English. There are usually a few that speak at least broken English, and some that actually speak relatively good English. And, if not, then you are going to be significantly limited in your ability to negotiate a bar fine with the girls.

Carlos has already quoted you the cost of a bar fine, 1000 pesos to the girl, and between 350-500 pesos to the bar. That will get you 1-1/2 hours back at your hotel with any girl that will agree to go with you. There are four clubs that will quote you that rate, El Infinito, Givenchy, Matehuela, and El Cielo.

Most other clubs will be more expensive to bar fine a girl from them, between 1800-3000 pesos (slightly less than $180-$300US). So, depending on the club, bar fines can get pricey. Many of the girls will not go with you if they don't know you, and some will go without any hesitancy regardless of whether they have known you perviously or not. It just depends on the girl, and that is where the Spanish speaking ability is crucial.

I always recommend that first timers to Monterrey restrict their activities to in-club delights. You can get full service, and everything in between, right there in the club setting, sometimes in privacy, and sometimes in semi-private booths. Most of the lower level in club action is pretty austere, like doing it in an alley. If you want to buy the girls drinks they will run anywhere between 50 pesos at the lower end bars, to as much as 120 pesos at the higher end bars.

But some of the more expensive places, the ones that charge 1800-2500 pesos to bar fine the girls, places like TVO, Pasarelas, Extasis, Harem, Excalibre, Azul Tequilla, Tangalay, etc...have slightly nicer facilities on-site if you choose to do the on-site activities, usually between 600-800 pesos for half hour to forty-five minutes, depending on whether it's a middle to high end bar. In the lower end bars, Matehuela, Givenchi, El Cielo, and El Infinito, the service is performed in a semi-private booth gauntlet, low end, straight back chair, open booth, but cheaper, 400-600 pesos inclusive.

I recommend that you select a girl to take into the private booth, the privados, for a private dance to check out her moves. That will cost you 40 pesos per private dance at the lower end bars, and the dance lasts 4 minutes. Most of the medium level and high end bars charge between 100-150 pesos for private dances. Within the privados, you can also get various other services, to include full service. Plus, surprisingly enough, there are a lot of really beautiful young girls in those lower end bars. I marvel that the quality of girls in the lower end bars is on a par with the expensive bars.

These in-house activities are much cheaper in the lower end bars, usually costing $400-800 pesos for full service. Of course, you can also get BJ's for around 200-300 pesos ($20-$30US), depending on the club. But, always realize that if you partake in activities on-site, if you are getting the service performed in the private booths, the privados, and there is no time limit such as a half hour or forty-five minutes given as part of the pricing, you will also be racking up the cost of the song as it's playing, 40 pesos for 4 minutes. So, the longer you take in the booth, the more it can costs.

For example, at El Infinito, full service in the privados starts at 400 pesos, but depending on how long you take, the cost will escelate proportionately along with the amount of time you're in the booth, adding 40 pesos (under $4US) to the bottom line every four minutes.

So, in our example at El Infinito, if you linger in the booth, you can end-up spending up to 600-800 pesos pretty easily. That's one reason I always try to bar fine instead of taking my fun on-site...But, it usually requires a lot of experience in Monterrey to successfully bar fine with consistent satisfactory result. I do use the privados to "interview" girls, and that works quite well, plus you can fondle a lot of girls, moving from one to another, all night long, and that's a lot of fun too, provided you don't linger in the privados too long with each of them.

Usually, I will seperate my nights of fun, perhaps spending one night to conduct interviews and get to know specific girls I like in the various bars, usually within the privado setting for short, two or three duration songs, or perhaps having a privado or two, and then buying them a drink so they can get to know me better. Then, the following night I will come back and pay the salida to bar fine my selection back to my hotel. That is my "MO" in Monterrey.

Of course, if I don't find anyone that strikes my fancy, I just keep looking night after night, buying occassional privados, always remembering the economics of spending too much on privados versus spending my money on actually bar fining them. Lately, in a week of activity in Monterrey, I generally bar fine two or three girls over 6 nights, and spend the rest of the time stingily buying drinks, and occassional privados in the clubs.

It should be mentioned that there are five clubs that are really high end, the ones that all the taxi drivers will attempt to recommend because they get a commission to bring you there. Don't misunderstand, these clubs are top notch, high end, plush, and a delight to visit, and with very pretty girls too. But, they are wildly expensive for drinks, privados, and certainly for bar fines, perhaps costing upwards of 3500-5000 pesos to bar fine a girl from them, etc...They are El Prestige, El Obsession, Premeir, Pooison, and Amnesia. If you have the money, they certainly will not disappoint you, but they are wildly more expensive than the other clubs I recommended.

That is, with the exception of El Prestige and El Obsession in the afternoon, during which they have a very delicious buffet for the price of the cover charge, 60 pesos, which also includes a soft drink or beer, and in the case of El Obsession, two drinks.

The buffets are not to be missed. You can partake in the delicious buffet, watch the girls, etc...,and if you choose to partake in a little on-site fun, and have the money, they also have on-site services available, all be they at a high price, like around 500 pesos for 15 minutes, something like that. I have never, in all my years visiting Monterrey, done anything on-site in the afternoon hours at the high end bars. I just enjoy the buffet, watch the girls, and sometimes, unless I have chosen to buy a girl a drink or two, I get out of there for about 100 pesos with the tip. If you buy the girls drinks, the drink cost will run somewhere between 80-120 pesos each, and don't let the girls order double!!!, they'll try it!!!

I remember on one of my intial visits to Monterrey, I was soooooo impressed with the environment there that I visited one of the high end clubs at night. I think it was Premeir. Anyway, I was so amazed at the strip clubs quality in Monterrey, and so delighted with having found Meca, that I literally spent $500US there. I had a lot of fun, but I must have been frickin' nuts. So, be forewarned, Monterrey can do that to you, and especially if you find yourself in one of the high end clubs at night.

I may spend $500-$600 these days on bar fines over an entire week of fun, one girl almost every night I am in town, with some of them staying 4-6 hours with me at a time, but that's a far cry from what I did during my initiation to Monterrey. More money than sense in those days...I'm, frankly, ashamed to admit my foolishness and naivete, but I do so as a warning to all. Monterrey has a way of extracting money from your pockets before you even know what hit you.

There are also numerous massage parlors around ground zero/the hotel. You can find them in El Sol Newspaper, which is sold in all of the Oxxo Convenience Stores. The are several Oxxo stores right near your hotel, all within easy walking distance. I believe it comes out on aspecific day of the week however, and you will have trouble sometimes finding it at certain other times. Carlos will know the day of the week that it's most available.

You can refer to it, show the ads to a taxi driver, and away you go. It shouldn't cost you over 20 peso each for the taxi fare to visit several massage parlors to check them out. I am not the massage parlor expert, but there is extensive writings on the board, mostly posting by the expert, Porker, that will give you significantly more information to go by. But suffice it to say that a massage in a medium priced massage parlor will cost you about 400-600 pesos, and 800-1000 pesos in one of the high end places. The quality and selection available at the massage parlors changes daily, and certainly weekly, so much so, that it is very difficult to make any accurate representations to you that one is necessarily better than the other. But, one thing you can be sure of, the quality of selection at the massage parlors will be a lesser quality than most of what you'll find in the strip clubs mentioned previously. But, there are some doable candidates, but nothing like the selection you will find in abundance in the strip clubs.

Have fun...

I have the chance of a week in Monteray from November 11th, and would love some advice. As an older guy what is the best method of meeting a girl, is it escort ads, streetwalkers, clubs (not my favourite generally). Also any girl friendly cheaper range hotels, or is an appartment better (if any)? Advice on price to pay (dont even know peso exchange rate) and any hazards also appreciated. I am usually in Eastern Europe so this will be different. If anyone will help and does'nt want to bore everyone with info known to all there, a private message would be great. In anticipation - many thanks!!

Member #3453

11-01-06, 18:02

Well, Well, Well, I bar fined a new girl from El Infinito last night, Tuesday night. I was able to negotiate a "simply marvelous" deal. Of course, I had to pay the bar fine, 350 pesos, but the girl agreed to go with me for only 700 pesos, exactly $65.2156 with the conversion rate. Not too bad. She stayed with me long enough to get two sessions with her, which ended up being about an hour and half.

I had seen this girl on the floor at El Infinito, and decided that even though she was not my favorite "pretty face" in the building, she had a pretty decent hard body. So, I took her into the privados for a test drive. She has a hard body, and she was relatively friendly, and certainly eager to do a salida. Her facial features were not my favorite, kind of an exagerated Mexicana kind of look, one that I am not particularly fond of, lots of lipstick outside the confines of her lips etc, too much makeup, etc...you know the type. But, she has a hard, tight, body, and I can attest to the fact that she is nice and tight where it counts.

The fact is, I was put on notice that she was a "pro" when she agreed to almost anything in order to go on salida. First, she started off by offering to go for 1500 pesos, which included the bar fine. Of course, when I heard that, I immediately started crying poor. I told her how my business was really slow, and that I just didn't have the money.

I told her I could come up with maybe 800 pesos, MAX, plus the bar fine. She agreed to that, and when I pressed her for a committment on the amount of time, she quickly agreed to stay four hours. She pressed hard for us to leave right away. But, I pushed my pricing strategy harder by telling her that I had to go back to my hotel to check my funds.

I told her I wasn't sure I had enough money in the hotel, and that I needed to return in an hour after checking my finances. So, she reluctantly said OK, and we descended the privados to the main floor. Anyway she saw me still hanging around, and scoping out the other talent a while after we had left the privados, and I could see a worried look on her face, the look the girls get when they realize that their opportunity to make some money might be slipping away from them.

You know, when that happens, they've got to be thinking that there are 25 other girls hanging around the place just wishing they could take your money. So, when she asked me why I was still there, I told her not to worry, that I would be leaving soon to check my funds...."don't worry baby, I said I would be back, and my word to a Mexican bar girl is my bond." ...Right!

But, the cool thing that I was able to do was to further reduce her negotiated fee of 800 pesos down to 700 pesos. When I returned from checking my funds at the hotel an hour later, (but, in reality checking out the talent at Tangalay and El Cielo first), I sat down next to her, told her that I didn't have the money, and all I had was 700 pesos in the room. I pulled the 700 pesos from my pocket, waived it under her nose so she could get a whif of it, and promptly placed it back into my shirt pocket, and told her I was really sorry. She immediately asked if I had the money to pay the salida, and I said "si," I have the 350 pesos, but all I have in addition to that is the 700 pesos I showed her. Immediately, she exclaims "no problema, nos vamos." Success!!!!!

Well, of course in addition to my thinking she was a practiced pro in her approach, needless to say, I was skeptical that she would have stayed that long with me as promised, four hours. So, I was not disappointed nor surprised when she finally asked, following our 1.5 hour session, if she could leave early to get back to her baby. Why is every baby in Monterrey sick with some kind of infermity? To listen to the girls talk about how sick their kids are, there must be a wide spread deadly epidemic of catastrophic proportions in Monterrey.

Anyway, she was not GFE material, but she did show some affection occassionally, so maybe there will be hope for her in la futura. But, during this session, she just didn't have the personality I like, no "banter" between us, very little display of affection, but at least a little bit, etc.., and overall, I wasn't disappointed because I didn't really expect that from her. I guess if your expectations are realistic, you have a much better chance of being relatively satisfied, something I need to work on.

I have such high expectations for some of my girlfriends that I imagine it must very hard for some of them to live up to my expectations on a consistent and repeated basis. But, in order for the session to be "outstanding," it has to include a lot of sincere acting, kissing, hugging, and mucho amoroso behaviour on their part.

The pros do not generally give that much of themselves, and I am generally disappointed by their performance, even when the sex is good. But, in this case, my expectations were not particularly unrealistic, and it was good sex, but nothing more. Unfortunately for her future bank account, she will undoutedly be forgotten within the memory span of the common house fly. So, that is her marketing dilemma not mine.

I was actually quite relieved that I wouldn't have to "entertain" her, and/or actually try to get some sleep with her lying next to me. So, when everything was said and done, and we were both quite content with our little romp, she finally asked if there was any problem if she left earlier than she agreed. I was fine with it. She was fun, but that's all she was.

So, my suspicions that she had a "pro" attitude were "right-on" from the very beginning, but I wasn't really looking for a GFE encounter this night, just a nice "down & dirty" screwing session for very little money. But, the fact is, she really enjoyed oral sex, and I think she was quite content with the sexual content of our encounter, something I always try to make sure I make a strong endeavor at, to satisfy them as much as possible, especially if they're agreeing to go on the "cheap."

Anyway, she repeatedly told me how good it was for her, so that's a nice feeling to have..."good work, girl, keep telling me how great I was, right?" But, if girls say that sort of thing for real, I figure that, just maybe, they will want to go with me again on the cheap, if not for the Walmart "everyday low price," which I seem to be able to negotiate quite well lately, then perhaps for the prospect that they too will get some decent sex along with the comparatively pultry sum, at least for Monterrey, that I am willing to pay these days.

Oh...another bulletin!!!

It was a little bit of a surprise when the girl was lying in my bed, and as I was starting my oral surgery on her with my pocket rocket, she looked at me and said, "hey, you are "angry girl's(substitute her actual name here)" boyfriend, right?"

WHAT??????????I thought that by pulling a girl from the late night shift, a girl I had never met before, I would have been safe with my selection. Angry girl wasn't working, and neither were any of the other normal witnesses I would normally concern myself with. I thought I was pulling this off with relative anonymity.

In fact, I think there may have been a number of girls that took the night off, maybe because of their kid's Holloween activities. I'm not really sure about that because I don't know to what extent the kids do door to door trick or treating in Mexico on Holloween, but it seemed that some of the girls were not in attendence last night, especially the ones that I know have kids. So, anyway, you can imagine my shock at hearing that I was irreversibly publicly linked by prior reputation in bar girl society to a former steady bar fine that will not even speak to me now. Best laid plans...right?

El Cabron 007

11-04-06, 15:55

I am so sorry I broke your pocket rocket. But hey, you did not need it at the Casino, did you? I could see you were having an awesome time. We should go back again to those girls. She liked you, whatever her name was. I have no idea what my girl's was either. Only Carlos knows.

Juana asked about you last night.

Take care of yourself and I hope to see you again soon.

Oh...another bulletin!!!

It was a little bit of a surprise when the girl was lying in my bed, and as I was starting my oral surgery on her with my pocket rocket, she looked at me and said, "hey, you are "angry girl's(substitute her actual name here)" boyfriend, right?"

Member #3453

11-04-06, 18:27

Listen, WastedG, you should NOT be using a highly technical gynochological instrument such as a pocket rocket without first having to complete the USB (U no S ponge B ob) introductory seminar on proper care and feeding of pocket rocket knock-offs...See, you broke it on inexperienced pussy. That thing is radioactive unless you know how to use it, verdad?

You see, an actual pocket rocket is of superior quality to the Monterrey immitation version that you STOLE from me as we sat in El Infinito :-) and, it was bound to fail prematurely in comparison to the real thing.

That item was purchased at the small sex shop on Madero, just a few blocks East of PDA, and unfortunately, they do not sell the "Real" thing. However, I do like the shinny gold color of that one. It looks more like piece of jewelry to the girls, rather than the raunchy sex toy of a dirty old man like me, I mean us, hahaha!!!

I had been nursing that one along because it was already acting strange, and not really making the proper electrical contacts inside it's delicate and cheap mechanism. So, do not trouble yourself with it's demise. Rest assured, while here in the US, I will pick up the "Real" thing, along with the liquid clit stimulator you recommended...Thanks for that little tip by the way.

As for Casino, I agree that we had a blast!!! I was enjoying my girl, and yours, hahahaha!!! Your girl had the most sensuous ass and titties. I would have bar-fined her in a nanosecond out from under you had she not been...well, you know, menstrating. My girl seems like she could possibly live up to my GFE expectations, but I theorize that I will need to worm my way into her heart first by puking some more pesos over the course of another visit.

My girl gave me the same excuse about not being able to go on salidas, one that I did not directly verify. But, I know the girls use that excuse a lot if they can't go on salida. Speaking about my girl, when I visit Casino again, I will have to determine if that was merely an excuse to avoid the salida, or if she might actually consider going with me. She showed me a lot of attention when she was with me, so I assume we hit it off sufficiently for a salida to follow on the next trip.

Perhaps when Carlos reads this he can recall their names, and let us know the names of our girls for next time. You know, Casino is a little more expensive to bar fine girls, but not prohibitively so. The bar fine is 700 pesos, and that's in addition to whatever you can negotiate with the girl. I have only bar-fined one girl from there, and you remembered her from last time WastedG. I think she cost me 1000 pesos, so a total of 1700 pesos for Casino (and Harem too), versus the average 1350 pesos (Infinito and El Cielo) and/or 1500 pesos (Matehuula).

By the way, WastedG, we need significantly more research from you posted with respect to that bar "Fantasma." I visited that bar myself with a bar fine from Matehuela that insisted on taking me there for a beer before going back to the hotel. I had bar fined her for 1500 pesos from Matehuela on Wednesday night, and she agreed to spend four hours with me. She has an unbelievable body, is 21 years old, and I will report on her in more detail sometime this week.

My upcoming report promises the detailed exploits of another drama queen. But, she did stay right up until the full amount of time, 4 hours, and even though she had her detractors to GFE, menos besos, I kind of like her anyway, and may see her again next time. Imagine that........Actually, I think I could worm my way into her heart and get some serious emotional affection from her, but she will take some work. But, I think she IS reachable. More to follow on her...

I find it interesting that you found a non-pro in Fantasma because I get the distinct impression that many of the "pro" strippers frequent that place in off hours. So, it may hold some promise if we can find girls in there that are in fact "off-duty" and possibly looking to make some money seperate from their bar jobs, or even better, girls that are non-pro freeby provider minded. Plus, even if some are pros, under those kinds of circumstances, their fee would probably be less expensive than what we would have to pay otherwise were we to pay the salidas to take them out of the bars, etc...

Oh, and I just remembered, I have to relay something that impressed me greatly when I was over at El Cielo this trip. I had a privado with a new girl, new to me that is, but she has been around a while. She was really interested in going with me, and she made me promise to come back to get her that night after her shift ended. But, initially, when I was asking her how much she would charge to go on salida with me, she agreed to go for todo la noche, 700 pesos, and she was going to pickup the bar fine. That is the most UNBELIEVABLE price I have ever been quoted. That would mean she was willing to pay the bar 350 pesos to leave on salida, spend the rest of the night with me without returning to the bar, and then accept only 350 pesos from me as her payment. But, she told me she really wanted to go with me. She was so interested!!! She has a very HOT body, but a not so hot face. But, the ass on this girl is to die for. But, her face is not the greatest, but still...shit, 350 pesos? I have found several other girls that actually went with me for several hours for 500 pesos, plus the bar fine, 350 pesos, and I thought that was cheap.

I made some significant pricing conclusions this trip, and here is some very valuable advise to all..

Visit Monterrey during the last week of the month in months where the first few days of the new month that follows falls in the middle of the week (ie: such as was the case on my last visit (10/28-11/3)...get it?

I theorize that if the first day of the new month falls preferrably on a Wednesday or Thursday, and/or possibly a Friday, the girls are desperate to make rent money, and the clientelle seems to be even a little less in number in the clubs. So, the result is our getting less competition from the drink/privado opportunity that the girl would normally have to earn cash, thereby making them more inclined to want to do salidas.

Carlos can verify this theory about the clientelle also being strapped for cash during this time, theoretically because they have not yet received their earnings yet either. But, it seems that the supply and demand curve was excellent this last trip, and I attribute that to timing as it relates to girls needing money, and clients not having any yet. It's probably a very small window of opportunity each month for added savings, one that depends on the days of the week in relation to the first of the month, etc...

The pricing I was being quoted on this last trip was consistently cheap, in the 700 pesos range, and from a wide range of girls, in a wide range of clubs. They must all need to pay the rent badly by the first of the month, and with the 1st of the month falling mid-week, they are desperate to make money on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. They must have needed the money in hand by mid-week.

It seemed that they were not able to wait to make their money on the weekends selling privados and drinks before having to come up with the rent money by the 1st, which in this most recent example, was a Wednesday. So, I believe this timing of the rent being due by mid-week causes the girls to eagerly consider alternative methods to earn quick money, such as doing salidas, rather than taking a chance that they will make the rent money in the clubs by selling drinks or doing privados. So, timing is everything in Monterrey if you want to get some really good discuentas on salidas.

Also, you will find the girls wanting more and more to go on salidas as we start to get closer to the Christmas Holiday Season, and clients possibly having less to spend because of the expensive demands of the holidays. So, the end of November should prove to be a really good time to bar fine girls in Monterrey. IMHO, they will all be starving for your affections (money) specifically 11/27-11/30 :-) theoretically with the demand for rent playing a primary consideration, and christmas expenses, and the holidays, etc...looming large on their minds.

I am so sorry I broke your pocket rocket. But hey, you did not need it at the Casino, did you? I could see you were having an awesome time. We should go back again to those girls. She liked you, whatever her name was. I have no idea what my girl's was either. Only Carlos knows.

Juana asked about you last night.

Take care of yourself and I hope to see you again soon.

MonterreyDude

11-05-06, 04:46

Pocket rockets, blasts at the Casino...
You 2 guys are just as the "R" girl described me and Wasted when we totally groped her at the I place: Ustedes son SUCIOS!!!

Listen, WastedG, you should NOT be using a highly technical gynochological instrument such as a pocket rocket without first having to complete the USB (U no S ponge B ob) introductory seminar on proper care and feeding of pocket rocket knock-offs...See, you broke it on inexperienced pussy. That thing is radioactive unless you know how to use it, verdad?

You see, an actual pocket rocket is of superior quality to the Monterrey immitation version that you STOLE from me as we sat in El Infinito :-) and, it was bound to fail prematurely in comparison to the real thing.

That item was purchased at the small sex shop on Madero, just a few blocks East of PDA, and unfortunately, they do not sell the "Real" thing. However, I do like the shinny gold color of that one. It looks more like piece of jewelry to the girls, rather than the raunchy sex toy of a dirty old man like me, I mean us, hahaha!!!

I had been nursing that one along because it was already acting strange, and not really making the proper electrical contacts inside it's delicate and cheap mechanism. So, do not trouble yourself with it's demise. Rest assured, while here in the US, I will pick up the "Real" thing, along with the liquid clit stimulator you recommended...Thanks for that little tip by the way.

As for Casino, I agree that we had a blast!!! I was enjoying my girl, and yours, hahahaha!!! Your girl had the most sensuous ass and titties. I would have bar-fined her in a nanosecond out from under you had she not been...well, you know, menstrating. My girl seems like she could possibly live up to my GFE expectations, but I theorize that I will need to worm my way into her heart first by puking some more pesos over the course of another visit.

My girl gave me the same excuse about not being able to go on salidas, one that I did not directly verify. But, I know the girls use that excuse a lot if they can't go on salida. Speaking about my girl, when I visit Casino again, I will have to determine if that was merely an excuse to avoid the salida, or if she might actually consider going with me. She showed me a lot of attention when she was with me, so I assume we hit it off sufficiently for a salida to follow on the next trip.

Perhaps when Carlos reads this he can recall their names, and let us know the names of our girls for next time. You know, Casino is a little more expensive to bar fine girls, but not prohibitively so. The bar fine is 700 pesos, and that's in addition to whatever you can negotiate with the girl. I have only bar-fined one girl from there, and you remembered her from last time WastedG. I think she cost me 1000 pesos, so a total of 1700 pesos for Casino (and Harem too), versus the average 1350 pesos (Infinito and El Cielo) and/or 1500 pesos (Matehuula).

By the way, WastedG, we need significantly more research from you posted with respect to that bar "Fantasma." I visited that bar myself with a bar fine from Matehuela that insisted on taking me there for a beer before going back to the hotel. I had bar fined her for 1500 pesos from Matehuela on Wednesday night, and she agreed to spend four hours with me. She has an unbelievable body, is 21 years old, and I will report on her in more detail sometime this week.

My upcoming report promises the detailed exploits of another drama queen. But, she did stay right up until the full amount of time, 4 hours, and even though she had her detractors to GFE, menos besos, I kind of like her anyway, and may see her again next time. Imagine that........Actually, I think I could worm my way into her heart and get some serious emotional affection from her, but she will take some work. But, I think she IS reachable. More to follow on her...

I find it interesting that you found a non-pro in Fantasma because I get the distinct impression that many of the "pro" strippers frequent that place in off hours. So, it may hold some promise if we can find girls in there that are in fact "off-duty" and possibly looking to make some money seperate from their bar jobs, or even better, girls that are non-pro freeby provider minded. Plus, even if some are pros, under those kinds of circumstances, their fee would probably be less expensive than what we would have to pay otherwise were we to pay the salidas to take them out of the bars, etc...

Oh, and I just remembered, I have to relay something that impressed me greatly when I was over at El Cielo this trip. I had a privado with a new girl, new to me that is, but she has been around a while. She was really interested in going with me, and she made me promise to come back to get her that night after her shift ended. But, initially, when I was asking her how much she would charge to go on salida with me, she agreed to go for todo la noche, 700 pesos, and she was going to pickup the bar fine. That is the most UNBELIEVABLE price I have ever been quoted. That would mean she was willing to pay the bar 350 pesos to leave on salida, spend the rest of the night with me without returning to the bar, and then accept only 350 pesos from me as her payment. But, she told me she really wanted to go with me. She was so interested!!! She has a very HOT body, but a not so hot face. But, the ass on this girl is to die for. But, her face is not the greatest, but still...shit, 350 pesos? I have found several other girls that actually went with me for several hours for 500 pesos, plus the bar fine, 350 pesos, and I thought that was cheap.

I made some significant pricing conclusions this trip, and here is some very valuable advise to all..

Visit Monterrey during the last week of the month in months where the first few days of the new month that follows falls in the middle of the week (ie: such as was the case on my last visit (10/28-11/3)...get it?

I theorize that if the first day of the new month falls preferrably on a Wednesday or Thursday, and/or possibly a Friday, the girls are desperate to make rent money, and the clientelle seems to be even a little less in number in the clubs. So, the result is our getting less competition from the drink/privado opportunity that the girl would normally have to earn cash, thereby making them more inclined to want to do salidas.

Carlos can verify this theory about the clientelle also being strapped for cash during this time, theoretically because they have not yet received their earnings yet either. But, it seems that the supply and demand curve was excellent this last trip, and I attribute that to timing as it relates to girls needing money, and clients not having any yet. It's probably a very small window of opportunity each month for added savings, one that depends on the days of the week in relation to the first of the month, etc...

The pricing I was being quoted on this last trip was consistently cheap, in the 700 pesos range, and from a wide range of girls, in a wide range of clubs. They must all need to pay the rent badly by the first of the month, and with the 1st of the month falling mid-week, they are desperate to make money on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. They must have needed the money in hand by mid-week.

It seemed that they were not able to wait to make their money on the weekends selling privados and drinks before having to come up with the rent money by the 1st, which in this most recent example, was a Wednesday. So, I believe this timing of the rent being due by mid-week causes the girls to eagerly consider alternative methods to earn quick money, such as doing salidas, rather than taking a chance that they will make the rent money in the clubs by selling drinks or doing privados. So, timing is everything in Monterrey if you want to get some really good discuentas on salidas.

Also, you will find the girls wanting more and more to go on salidas as we start to get closer to the Christmas Holiday Season, and clients possibly having less to spend because of the expensive demands of the holidays. So, the end of November should prove to be a really good time to bar fine girls in Monterrey. IMHO, they will all be starving for your affections (money) specifically 11/27-11/30 :-) theoretically with the demand for rent playing a primary consideration, and christmas expenses, and the holidays, etc...looming large on their minds.

Member #3453

11-05-06, 13:55

Hey, the "R" girl is pretty HOT at El Infinito with her upgraded bozookas. She is one of the first girls with that upgrade that I can actually say I liked the outcome of it. She was wise in that she chose not to have them made too big. When I tasted them in the privados, I told her that they still taste the same to me, hahaha!!!

I prefer them natural myself. But, in her case, her naturals were starting to sag and deflate a little, so I believe that under the circumstances, when that is starting to happen, and "R" girl is getting a little older now, an upgrade might be the preferable alternative.

I wonder if it will actually mean more business for her. I mean, afterall, she was busy all the time before. There is only so much time in a shift, so whether it will actually translate into more business for her remains to be seen. Anyway, her strongest attribute is her unbelievably vivacious personality, with all due respect given to her really cute and alluring appearance, even before the upgrade. IMHO, the "R" girl is probably the most "Fun" bar girl in all of Monterrey, and I have sampled a huge number of them all over town.

Pocket rockets, blasts at the Casino...
You 2 guys are just as the "R" girl described me and Wasted when we totally groped her at the I place: Ustedes son SUCIOS!!!

El Cabron 007

11-07-06, 20:24

You see, my good friend, this is where you and I differ: You are looking for the GFE while I look for the 2 hour fun. Like Carlos was asking me if I noticed the girls behavior at the Casino as we were about to leave. I did not notice a thing because I was already gone once I started to leave.

Before the girl is done, I am already finished with her and ready to go back to the club for the next one. She, on the otherhand, does not want to be seen back in the club earlier than scheduled while her customer is hooking up with another girl. That would make her look bad.

My normal night at the "I" place, I get 3 to 5 offers for Salida. If I go upstairs, my name is called out by girls in the boths, with clients, that I have no idea who they are.

On Saturday, I wanted to take my "S" girl out. While waiting for her to get dressed, my "X" girl sweet talked me into taking her out instead. So I sent "X" to tell "S" that I changed my mind. They both came back down wondering what the hell is going on. I simply told "S" that I changed my mind. I wanted "X" instead. Carlos said that one day, these girls are gonna shoot me. :) I came back later and took "S" upstairs after spending an hour in the club with 3 other girls.

Now, as for the Fantasma, that girl is no longer there. The other girl I am dating works in a boutique store. I met her at the disco. She is a friend of the 2 girls I was out with. We got rid of her friends (my lesbian dates) and had some nice private time in my room. She is now a companion I call upon once in a while. She is 18. Hot dammm.

You can meet girls. just don't be too forward and let them become friends first. They will give out eventually. Be patient. It took me 12 hours to get this girl out of her cloths :)

There is another prospect that fell into my laps last week. I'll let you know how it goes with her as well. a non pro. more thrill to the kill.

Too many choices. My head is spinning.

Wasted.

Member #3453

11-08-06, 05:59

You have peaked my interest because I did not pay attention to the attitude of the girls as we were leaving Casino. Were they relieved we were finally leaving, or sad that we were leaving? Do tell...

Carlos, chime in here too, ok?

Like Carlos was asking me if I noticed the girls behavior at the Casino as we were about to leave

With respect to GFE, versus just having fun, I thoroughly enjoy groping the girls, playing games, the banter, the joking around, the playing, etc...Really, it is a blast, and I enjoy that a great deal. Don't forget, I am the one who introduced the pocket rocket to the scene in Monterrey. So, having a blast is something I also thoroughly enjoy as well.

But, in the privacy of my hotel room, I find that the ultimate session is when the girls have a genuinely amorous feeling for me, that is, a legitimately displayed affection for me. Some of the girls have that quality about them from the beginning with me, and some do not.

Overall, the experiences I have with the kinds of girls that merely deliver clinical sex, even when sensously delivered, but without affection, without GFE kissing and hugging, etc...are usually sessions that I am not particularly satisfied with in the end.

Clinical sessions just do not provide me with the same level of satisfaction I receive from girls that are sincerely passionate with me. I mean, afterall, I can get the clinical delivery of sex from the massage parlors, and don't need to be spending three to four times that amount of money for bar fines from the strip clubs if all I am going to get from them is clinical sex. So, IMHO, the girls that I bar fine are held to a higher standard than to merely deliver clinical sex, even if they are absolutely gorgeous.

Case in Point...

The specific girl that I promised to report on in my previous post is one that I bar fined from Matehuela on Wednesday night last week. She had an absolutely beautiful body, and a relatively attractive face, 21 years old, very sweet disposition, etc...But, she is one that does not kiss on the lips, no hugging, just a clinical provider.

But, as a result of the extensive amount of time we spent together, she did show promise. She actually is one of the few "clinical" providers I've met that actually stayed the full amount of time she committed to, which was 4 hours. We talked a lot, and I enjoyed having her with me in the room. I got to know her much better, even to the point of understanding some inner personal things about her that no other man knows, according to her.

We eventually got around to sex, and when all was said and done, she sensed that I was not entirely satisfied with her performance, even when the sex was quite good...I mean, her body is so unbelievably HOT and all. But, she was concerned, and probably she was also quite shocked and surprised, that I was not entirely enthralled with our session.

I'm sure that's quite a shock to a girl that knows she is HOT, and probably has men throwing themselves at her constantly. So, I think it may have actually intrigued her that I was not blushing, sweating, and horny as hell at the prospect of her mere presence, which is just exactly where I want her to be psychologically.

Anyway, her sensing my ambivolence to her performance lead to our talking for a long time about what I like and why, and even into a discussion about what some men like and why. I sort of enjoy analysing these girls, how they view their jobs, what they think is a good session, and why, etc...

We even got into the subject of her personal life, and her screwed up psyche as it relates to an ex-novio that she is in love with, one that chose to marry another girl instead of her, even to the point of her becoming emotional and crying about it in front of me as she was telling me about it.

From an intellectual perspective I view it as an interesting pschological study, one that I enjoy when I talk extensively with these girls, and especially when I establish with them a familiarity that they typically do not experience with most clients. I like to experience their inner feelings and emotions. It can yeild huge GFE dividends, but it can also be just as risky, sometimes resulting in lost relationships with them.

Fact is, getting to know them intellectually is invaluable to me. I believe it not only enabes me to understand women in general, but it also enables me to understand them individually. The ultimate purpose in making the psychological effort on my part is to assess whether investing more time with them individually in the future might pay-off in GFE dividends.

And, sometimes, that investment has paid off in unbelievable GFE performances. But, in other circumstances, the extent of that degree of familiarity has cost me relationships with some girls. But, I have won over many more girls than I have subsequently lost.

The problem is, if you establish that level of familiarity with them, they begin to think too much like real girlfriends, and to view you like real boyfriends, and that proves disasterous in the end. That has happened to me a few times, Cindy #1 at Pasarelas, and "Angry Girl," are the two most recent examples of my attempts to psychologically influence girls, resulting in my being completely cut-off by them in the end.

So, there is a risk when you decide to go further than just screwing them blind and letting them go with no further effort. But, I think the pschological angle is intellectually stimulating enough, and that the GFE benefits have been sufficiently productive, that I prefer to run the risk.

It is valuable to realize that some of the ones that are initially mediocre in their performance, or not particularly GFE in their affections during their initial sessions, may, over time, develop a familiarity that directly translates into GFE performance once they get to know us better through repeated sessions.

Sometimes, with new girls, it just takes time for certain girls to defrost, especially with respect to their jobs, and the way we meet them, our paying money for their attentions, penetrating the thick layer of protection they all have in varying degrees around their hearts and minds, etc...

Frankly, I find it a challenge to court certain girls that may initially show a certain degree of emotional restraint with me initially. With certain ones, when I sense that these girls have a quality about them that suggests to me that they are diamonds in the rough, then I like to make whatever additional effort might be necessary to penetrate their defenses.

But, some show a degree of promise, and some are obviously so hardened that I conclude they are unreachable after our first session. The ones that I conclude are unreachable, I will usually never bar fine again. But, the ones that have a glimmer of promise will probably get a few opportunities for our encounters to blossom.

New girls that start out with these natural defenses being evident during our initial encounters come across as clinical and cold to me. They are programmed with an emotionally protective layer because of the nature of their chosen profession. In order to penetrate those defenses, and eventually enjoy what they have to offer as passionate women, I have found that you must be patient with them. Sometimes investing much more time in developing a connection with them, time spent that precludes GFE sex, but directly yields a much more intense sexual encounter when it finally does occur.

The funny thing about the girl at Matehuela was that after we were done and I was walking her to the taxi on the street, she insisted that I take her phone number. She actually went back into the hotel to write it down, borrowing a pen and paper from the night clerk, risking her own embarrassment, calling specific attention to herself in front of him and all.

Anyway, because she knew of my preferences by that time, and that I like affectionate encounters, and not just clinical sex, I kept telling her that if she wanted to give me her phone number that was fine, but that there was really no reason for me to take it, etc...But, she just kept insisting I have her number and that I call her, even when she knew that she did not particularly impress me as a sexual play thing. But, we did find a connection between us, and perhaps that is where I saw in her and degree of promise.

I optomistically theorize that I may have struck a nerve with her, and that there may be some glimmer of promise with respect to future GFE with her. She was quite insistent that I call her. She really wanted me to have her phone number anyway, even after I told her that I saw little reason for us to get together again. She was quite insistent that I call her. So, next time in Monterrey, I will take her in the privados at Matehuela to see if her approach, at least to me, has changed before I give her a second opportunity. It will be an interesting experiment in the privados next time, yes?

Oh, and about her ex-novio, the idea that she is actually a "cold" girl has crossed my mind. I mean, even if a girl is really HOT in appearance, that does not make up for a cold dead fish laying there in your bed with your for the rest of your life. So, maybe "ex-novio" is much wiser than I am giving him credit. This girl is a real knock-out, and to throw her back to the wolves would be quite a sacrifice on his part...unless she was actually quite passionless and cold in her demeanor. I can understand a guy not wanting to spend his life with a girl that is fridgid and passionless. The prospect of that being the case might explain her dilemma, "ex-novio" throwing her over for another babe. But, again, it might be fun for me to sample her further just to find out for sure, right?

MonterreyDude

11-08-06, 07:54

Yep, we had fun at the Casino.
But the girls had the "on" switch going.
the moment we left it was "next table".....

You have peaked my interest because I did not pay attention to the attitude of the girls as we were leaving Casino. Were they relieved we were finally leaving, or sad that we were leaving? Do tell...

Carlos, chime in here too, ok?

With respect to GFE, versus just having fun, I thoroughly enjoy groping the girls, playing games, the banter, the joking around, the playing, etc...Really, it is a blast, and I enjoy that a great deal. Don't forget, I am the one who introduced the pocket rocket to the scene in Monterrey. So, having a blast is something I also thoroughly enjoy as well.

But, in the privacy of my hotel room, I find that the ultimate session is when the girls have a genuinely amorous feeling for me, that is, a legitimately displayed affection for me. Some of the girls have that quality about them from the beginning with me, and some do not.

Overall, the experiences I have with the kinds of girls that merely deliver clinical sex, even when sensously delivered, but without affection, without GFE kissing and hugging, etc...are usually sessions that I am not particularly satisfied with in the end.

Clinical sessions just do not provide me with the same level of satisfaction I receive from girls that are sincerely passionate with me. I mean, afterall, I can get the clinical delivery of sex from the massage parlors, and don't need to be spending three to four times that amount of money for bar fines from the strip clubs if all I am going to get from them is clinical sex. So, IMHO, the girls that I bar fine are held to a higher standard than to merely deliver clinical sex, even if they are absolutely gorgeous.

Case in Point...

The specific girl that I promised to report on in my previous post is one that I bar fined from Matehuela on Wednesday night last week. She had an absolutely beautiful body, and a relatively attractive face, 21 years old, very sweet disposition, etc...But, she is one that does not kiss on the lips, no hugging, just a clinical provider.

But, as a result of the extensive amount of time we spent together, she did show promise. She actually is one of the few "clinical" providers I've met that actually stayed the full amount of time she committed to, which was 4 hours. We talked a lot, and I enjoyed having her with me in the room. I got to know her much better, even to the point of understanding some inner personal things about her that no other man knows, according to her.

We eventually got around to sex, and when all was said and done, she sensed that I was not entirely satisfied with her performance, even when the sex was quite good...I mean, her body is so unbelievably HOT and all. But, she was concerned, and probably she was also quite shocked and surprised, that I was not entirely enthralled with our session.

I'm sure that's quite a shock to a girl that knows she is HOT, and probably has men throwing themselves at her constantly. So, I think it may have actually intrigued her that I was not blushing, sweating, and horny as hell at the prospect of her mere presence, which is just exactly where I want her to be psychologically.

Anyway, her sensing my ambivolence to her performance lead to our talking for a long time about what I like and why, and even into a discussion about what some men like and why. I sort of enjoy analysing these girls, how they view their jobs, what they think is a good session, and why, etc...

We even got into the subject of her personal life, and her screwed up psyche as it relates to an ex-novio that she is in love with, one that chose to marry another girl instead of her, even to the point of her becoming emotional and crying about it in front of me as she was telling me about it.

From an intellectual perspective I view it as an interesting pschological study, one that I enjoy when I talk extensively with these girls, and especially when I establish with them a familiarity that they typically do not experience with most clients. I like to experience their inner feelings and emotions. It can yeild huge GFE dividends, but it can also be just as risky, sometimes resulting in lost relationships with them.

Fact is, getting to know them intellectually is invaluable to me. I believe it not only enabes me to understand women in general, but it also enables me to understand them individually. The ultimate purpose in making the psychological effort on my part is to assess whether investing more time with them individually in the future might pay-off in GFE dividends.

And, sometimes, that investment has paid off in unbelievable GFE performances. But, in other circumstances, the extent of that degree of familiarity has cost me relationships with some girls. But, I have won over many more girls than I have subsequently lost.

The problem is, if you establish that level of familiarity with them, they begin to think too much like real girlfriends, and to view you like real boyfriends, and that proves disasterous in the end. That has happened to me a few times, Cindy #1 at Pasarelas, and "Angry Girl," are the two most recent examples of my attempts to psychologically influence girls, resulting in my being completely cut-off by them in the end.

So, there is a risk when you decide to go further than just screwing them blind and letting them go with no further effort. But, I think the pschological angle is intellectually stimulating enough, and that the GFE benefits have been sufficiently productive, that I prefer to run the risk.

It is valuable to realize that some of the ones that are initially mediocre in their performance, or not particularly GFE in their affections during their initial sessions, may, over time, develop a familiarity that directly translates into GFE performance once they get to know us better through repeated sessions.

Sometimes, with new girls, it just takes time for certain girls to defrost, especially with respect to their jobs, and the way we meet them, our paying money for their attentions, penetrating the thick layer of protection they all have in varying degrees around their hearts and minds, etc...

Frankly, I find it a challenge to court certain girls that may initially show a certain degree of emotional restraint with me initially. With certain ones, when I sense that these girls have a quality about them that suggests to me that they are diamonds in the rough, then I like to make whatever additional effort might be necessary to penetrate their defenses.

But, some show a degree of promise, and some are obviously so hardened that I conclude they are unreachable after our first session. The ones that I conclude are unreachable, I will usually never bar fine again. But, the ones that have a glimmer of promise will probably get a few opportunities for our encounters to blossom.

New girls that start out with these natural defenses being evident during our initial encounters come across as clinical and cold to me. They are programmed with an emotionally protective layer because of the nature of their chosen profession. In order to penetrate those defenses, and eventually enjoy what they have to offer as passionate women, I have found that you must be patient with them. Sometimes investing much more time in developing a connection with them, time spent that precludes GFE sex, but directly yields a much more intense sexual encounter when it finally does occur.

The funny thing about the girl at Matehuela was that after we were done and I was walking her to the taxi on the street, she insisted that I take her phone number. She actually went back into the hotel to write it down, borrowing a pen and paper from the night clerk, risking her own embarrassment, calling specific attention to herself in front of him and all.

Anyway, because she knew of my preferences by that time, and that I like affectionate encounters, and not just clinical sex, I kept telling her that if she wanted to give me her phone number that was fine, but that there was really no reason for me to take it, etc...

But, I optomistically theorize that I may have struck a nerve with her, and that there may be some glimmer of promise with respect to future GFE with her. She was quite insistent that I call her. She really wanted me to have her phone number anyway, even after I told her that I saw little reason for us to get together again. She was quite insistent that I call her. So, next time in Monterrey, I will take her in the privados to see if her approach, at least to me, has changed before I give her a second opportunity. It will be an interesting experiment in the privados next time, yes?

Oh, and about her ex-novio, the idea that she is actually a "cold" girl has crossed my mind. I mean, if she is HOT in appearance, that does not make up for a cold dead fish laying there in your bed. So, maybe ex-novio is much wiser than I am giving him credit. This girl is a real knock-out, and to throw her back to the wolves would be quite a sacrifice...unless she was actually quite passionless. I can understand a guy not wanting to spend his life with a girl that is fridgid and passionless. The prospect of that being the case might explain her dilemma. But, again, it might be fun to find out for sure, right?

Member #3453

11-08-06, 14:30

WastedG pointed out to me as we were sitting there with the girls at Casino that, because the girls are sitting on our respective laps, we are sometimes not really able to get a glimpse of their true beauty because we are each sitting too close to our own respective girls to truly appreciate them.

I tend to agree with him on that point because I was certainly captivated by the unbelievably sexy body of WastedG's girl. She was an example of my kind of physical perfection, and because of the logistical positioning of she being only a few feet away from me, I could probably appreciate her perhaps better than WastedG was able to appreciate her. But, maybe it's just that the "grass is always greener," verdad?

The idea that the girls moved on immediately doesn't really surprise me, and in that setting, I don't particularly expect them to do otherwise. So, within the bar setting, I don't really expect GFE kinds of things to develop initially with the girls, nor do I anticipate actually getting GFE from them in the clubs, except perhaps a slight indication of their potential nature. Certainly, within the privado setting you can sometimes get a pretty accurate flavor for whether they will be GFE girls or not. There are some girls that will display levels of affection within the bar setting that suggest that they might be good GFE bar fine candidates. But, my girlfriend on this trip to Casino did not display that level of affection that would suggest that I would be satisfied with her on salida. But, there again, I did not take her into the privados to find out.

The girl that was on my lap was initially rather conservative with me, but she did eventually became more affectionate, but not to the extent that I would probably risk the 1700 peso bar fine to find out her GFE potential, at least not yet. Maybe after I have been with her at the bar for a few more subsequent times, and once I've taken her into the privados a few times to determine her potential, then I might choose to give her a try on salida.

The one and only girl I ever bar fined from Casino, several trips ago, the one WastedG remembered that sat with us when the "B" girl from El Prestige visited Casino with us a couple of months ago, was not a GFE, and she merely provided a clinical experience when I took her out of Casino on Salida. My BIG MISTAKE...

I should have tried her out in the privados first. While I thought she was pretty, I jumped the gun with her. I should have waited and interviewed that girl much more extensively over time to determine her eligibility before actually bar fining her. She was not a bad bar fine, but she was just a piece of meat, and not anything that I would normally find really fulfilling. But, in her defense, I didn't have the time to cultivate an emotional connection with her, a big mistake when trying to get GFE kinds of sessions.

On an observational side-note, Carlos and I were talking last week about my preference for Mexican girls, and for Latin women in general, and why I feel that they excel at GFE. The conversation centered around my comparison of Mexican and Asian girls, and my comments to him about Asian GFE being more illusive were primarily directed at Thai, Indonesian, and Chinese girls.

I find that in Asia, the GFE is much more illusive in comparison to what I routinely find without too much effort in latin cultures. I think it has something to do with the Eastern culture, the lack of kissing and hugging within the Asian culture. That is where the Latin girls are far superior, IMHO, to almost any of the Asian girls I've encountered, except perhaps with exception in the PI. But, girls in the PI are much more endocterinated to Western customs. So, the PI is perhaps an exception to my conclusions about Asian girls. Don't misunderstand, I thoroughly enjoy my time with Asian girls, but it's a much different kind of mongering experience than what is available in latin cultures, IMHO. Fun, but different.

Carlos routinely follows this same kind of GFE interviewing process as I've described in his determination of which girls might be "bar-fineable" material. At the risk of speaking for Carlos, I know that he has much more opportunity to cultivate his relationships with the girls, and that he works them just as I have described in my previous post. He might see them for several months of repeated visits to the bars to establish their candidancy for an actual bar fine, taking them to the privados a number of times before he risks the disappointment that they might just be clinical in their delivery of service.

Unfortunately, for the rest of us, we only have a couple of days each month to cultivate relationships with the girls. Carlos, on the other hand, is like a slow growing cancer :-) growing on them over a long period of time, penetrating all their psychological defenses.

But, Carlos' approach differs with mine in that he does not actually want to get too close to them. He does not push his interviewing process to the extent that I do because he does not want to be bothered by their bar girl drama. But, he still looks for the same attributes in the girls as I do, none-the-less.

Carlos prefers to distance himself from them more than I do because he lives in Monterrey, and he visits them often. He understandably doesn't want them laying all their bar girl drama on him everytime he visits them. I, on the other hand, only have to deal with their drama a short time, and I am out of their lives relatively quickly. So, I fully understand his preference to maintain a defense against taking on all that baggage.

Perfect case in point, there is one girl that constantly tells me her ailments. She is always either sick, hurting inside, sore muscles, female problems, el gripe, tired, always something. Last time, I heard it from her again in the privados, and I decided that I was tired of hearing about her physical ailments every time we venture into the privados. I know she likes my sympathy, but it is getting to be more of a turn off than it is anything else. So, I fully understand the downside to getting too close to certain girls. But, by my lending an ear when she expresses her "aches and pains," it apparently gives her some measure of emotional comfort. She is a pretty good GFE girl when I take her on salida. But, lately, I've found her to be less attractive because she is always infirmed in some way. That's the downside to getting too close to them. You sometimes get to know them too well.

But, overall, from my perspective, with Carlos living in Monterrey, and having the time to painstakingly penetrate their defenses like Carlos does, it must be really nice! The GFE is much more available under those kinds of circumstances.

Yep, we had fun at the Casino.
But the girls had the "on" switch going.
the moment we left it was "next table".....

MonterreyDude

11-08-06, 18:36

USB says: "Carlos, on the other hand, is like a slow growing cancer :-) growing on them over a long period of time, penetrating all their psychological defenses."

I am not the sickness... am the cure!!!
LOL!

Member #3453

11-08-06, 23:53

You are only the placibo. USB is the CURE!!! hahahaha! :-)

USB says: "Carlos, on the other hand, is like a slow growing cancer :-) growing on them over a long period of time, penetrating all their psychological defenses."

I am not the sickness... am the cure!!!
LOL!

Anonymous

11-11-06, 02:55

Wow--I guess that I've been mongering with the masters (without even knowing it). I stole a few moments to slip into the clubs during my recent visit to MTY. I took a little break for the last few months after some blowback from one of USB's ladies in my last trip. Not USB's fault, by the way. He warned me she was radioactive.

SiI'd done menage a trois before, but never the "porn style" experience that I'd fantasized. During this trip, I fixed that at Signore. I emailed ahead of time to Signore and another place, but neither ever responded. So, I just went into Signore one morning and ordered 2 girls and 2 BBBJs. The price was $500 pesos. During the session, I added some anal licking ("asian") from the more talented girl for an additional $200 pesos. Very enjoyable session with some outstanding tongue and deep throat skills from one of the girls: Corazone. The girls were very interactive with me and each other. Explosive finish during second round of oral. Basically, just like the movies. $700 peso total charge + $100 peso tip for a dirty job done very, very well.

Cool privado with Playboy-caliber girl at Matehuela. I massaged her clit in time with spasms I felt from her anus. She became moist and happy. I was surprised because I'd come to suspect that bar girls were beyond real passion. I guess they're human after all. She started at $400 pesos for sexo completo, but came down to $200 pesos after a couple of songs of foreplay.

I sometimes have trouble "finishing" with the bar girls. As a result, I have occasional need of an expert that can get the job done--no matter what. For those with similar situations, I recommend the talents of "Kayda" from Infinito. This girl has the skills and tenacity to successfully close the deal in a privado when you're ready to pack it in. She's never failed me.

Member #3453

11-16-06, 17:21

It occurs to me that the board has been awfully quiet of late, not-withstanding the report submitted by Tyson, which is greatly appreciated.

However, frankly Tyson, I would like to read significantly more detail as to what my girlfriend at Pasarelas did or said that might have thrown you for a loop, "set you back" as it were. Frankly, that "drama" is what is most interesting to me...So, give it up, ok, hahaha!!! I will donate my own drama in hopes that I can draw you out into the open. Bare your soul for all to see, verdad?

Tyson's blowback girl was in attendence this last trip when I visited Pasarelas on Saturday night. But, frankly, I didn't even notice that she was there. I must have looked directly at her when I walked into the club, but I did not see her. I know I walked right past her and probably looked right at her because later I saw that she was sitting over in the direction that I had passed when I entered the club. All the girls sitting along that wall were occupied, so I guess I just failed to pay any attention to her/them in general.

However, I was slightly distracted because I had met one of my new friends from the board to help guide him around to the clubs in MTY. So, I was kind of pre-occupied looking for a place to sit, and contemplating whether Pasarelas was going to be a decent enough place to at least provide some measure of acceptable entertainment for my new found friend on this, only his second visit, to MTY.

We eventually sat down along the cushiony area along the West wall of the club, and eventually my friend found a honey to entertain him. Anyway, I got busy with another girl, and this new girl was quite attentive, lots of smooching, grinding, rubbing, and sitting on my lap etc...I did buy her one Cerveza, and she was with me for quite a long time, taking quite a long time to finish her drink. Fact is, this new girl promised to visit me at the hotel later in the week, but of course, she did not show up, which I anticipated anyway, so I was not disappointed.

But, the interesting thing about my former girl, Tyson's drama queen, is that I only noticed that she was there after she had been on stage for quite some time, and only after I had been in the club for at least an hour. I almost didn't notice her even then. She did not acknowledge I was there, but more interestingly, she seemed to be ignoring me on purpose. I know she must have seen me carrying-on with "new girl" across the room. Perhaps she was jealous of my paying attention to a rival.

Or, perhaps it's another issue. I had significant drama with this girl in the past. I have literally known her for probably (4) years. Anyway, she had always been kind of an emotional roller coaster for me. I dare say, in past encounters, I was quite enchanted with her. I really loved her ways.

Anyway, over time, with more experience under my belt, I began to believe that she was really nothing special, and that she was quite an opportunistic kind of bar girl, one that can really tug on your heart strings while remorselessly sucking your wallet dry.

So, on the trip prior to this last one, I decided I would bar fine my old flame to finally get her out of my system. And, frankly, it worked. She performed perfectly fine, but nothing really special, no fireworks this time, and certainly nothing in her demeanor that was especially affectionate, least wise not more than what I routinely experience from all my other options in Monterrey.

So, one last fling really set me free. She had promised she would spend all night with me this time, but she reneged on that promise when she went from the hotel to pickup her salary, promising to return, but never ever coming back. This is a common theme that many of the bar girls use on unsuspecting patrons. But, of course, I expected it from her. Frankly, when she left, I knew she would not be returning. From the moment the door hit her in the ass on the way out, I started geting ready to go to sleep, brushing my teeth, changing into my teddy bear pajamas (just kidding). But, suffice it to say I was in dream land five minutes after she left, with no delusional expectation that she would be returning. But, it does kind of [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off that she feels she has to con me after all these years.

So, maybe she was avoiding me this night at Pasarelas thinking I was mad at her from cutting out on me last time. But, the bottom line is, bar fining them to get them out of your system works wonders if you're hung-up on one girl in particular. Sometimes, especially if your new to experiencing what a really good GFE feels like, and if the girl is especially skilled at tugging at your heart strings, they can worm their way into your psyche, and into your heart.

If you find yourself in that circumstance, then the best thing you can do is return to bar fine them several times in succession until they are no longer the goddesses you imagine. You see, they simply can't sustain the illusion indefinitely. Eventually, they are bound to grow careless and reveal their true motives, and their deep seated personality defects, which subsequently, will help you put them in their place emotionally.

You're better off seeing her several times just to demonstrate that she is actually no better than most others, and to expose her act, especially if it has been a while since you last saw her. Sometimes certain girls take on an elevated status in your heart that they really don't deserve. Just get them out of your system once and for all so you can put them in their rightful place emotionally. Anyway, I am totally free of any left-over sentimentality that may have formerly existed with this particular girl.

And, don't misunderstand, she is still my friend, a girl that I have significant history with, one that I am actually quite fond of in spite of her detractors, but she is not the deva that once occupied my thoughts. I am free...

Now, Tyson, what did she do or say to set you back??? I have heard it all.

Member #3453

11-17-06, 17:48

What are the best musical selections/albums/musical groupos? Please respond with the following criteria in mind in vivid detail. I am looking for selections, groups, solo artists, etc...that are:

Appealing to 18-24 year old Mexican girls, romantic lyrics/tranquilo sounds only (no Romstein, ok!). If you want to also report on what you have found to be popular in other America Latina cultures, that's fine, but please stipulate the distinction. I am primarily interested in what's HOT now, and/or whatever is timelessly HOT in Mexico.

Up to now, I have FORCED them to listen to my Gringo music, mainly because I figure I am paying, so they're going to listen to what I want to hear.

But, lately I've reconsidered my strategy, assuming that by providing their romantic tranquilo "chic-tunes" while on salida, it will probably result in even better GFE's. I am willing to test the theory and report back with the sorted details.

Member #3453

11-18-06, 14:16

MJ,

Thanks for the advice, I have many suggestions to go by now. I also have asked the same question on another board, and already received some suggestions there as well. I am way ahead of you on the Limewire idea, but thanks anyway. Last night, I downloaded some Mana, Paulina Rubio, Juanes, and Shakira. Now, I'll start the same process with your suggestions.

Even with respect to Pedro Infante, I will even down load some of his music, if for no other reason than perhaps there will be a girl that was socialized with it as a kid, and perhaps she will still have an appreciation of it as a result of hearing it when their parents played it.

I find Carlos' comment about Pedro Infante interesting because something occurred to me when I was writing the question about wanting some music for the chicas. Remember the 70's, you old farts out there. Remember, how the girls in the USA were totally blown away with James Taylor, Bread, etc...

IMHO, those songs still do intrinsically have the magic, but of course the chicas in the US no longer really have even a clue about some of the artists that sung romantic songs of the 70's, songs dripping with sentimentality and nurturing melodies. But, believe me, that music was like an aphrodisiac in the early to mid 70's in the US.

But, what was once wildly popular and effective eventually goes away, becoming passe and old news. If I tried using Bread or James Taylor on a female hotty in the US today, assuming of course that I was younger, and had a snow balls chance in Hell with them anyway, the music of Bread and James Taylor would all but fall on deaf ears, verdad?

But, there are kids out there in the US, 18-24, that were perhaps raised with their parents listening to certain music selections, and there may actually still be an appeal to certain girls that have a nostalgic openess to certain music selections from the past, primarily as a result of their being indoctrinated to it at an earlier age as their parents probably played it in the car, etc... So, you never know, maybe Pedro Infante will strike a chord with a few of them. I will probably at least keep him in the laptop just in case.

I recall playing some Eagles selections for one of my girls in MTY. I was totally blown away when she told me how much she loved the Eagles. This girl had just turned 21 years old. Most girls in Mexico haven't clue who they even are, except most have heard Hotel California a billion times in the clubs, but they don't know it's the Eagles.

I've had the same kind of experience with playing Creedence Clearwater Rivival for some Mexican girls. Some know them quite well, and they express total and complete familiarization with CCR, expressing how much they love their music. But, the majority haven't a clue who they are.

But, interestingly enough, I recall being in Las Pulgas on Reforma Street, and wanting to sample a Creedence DVD. You should have seen all the Mexicans that flocked to the DVD booth to stand and listen to Creedence. But, admitedly, most of the bystanders were up in years, at least over 30 anyway. Come to think of it too, I don't remember any chicas flocking to the booth. Oh well, maybe if you are gay and want to impress mature Mexican men, you can use the tip :-)

I always find it interesting which music finds it's way from the US to a position of popularity in Mexico. With respect to popular music today in the US, I am virtually out of it, and would probably have to ask the same question about the girls of the US as I have asked about the girls of Mexico.

Everybody...all other suggestions about what music I should get is sincerely appreciated...Thanks all.

Mill: I agree with everything except Pedro Infante.... no, that guy is dead for the younger generations.

Henry Vi

11-18-06, 20:54

Hey Unspongebob.

I am a regular in the Mexico City forum.

You can´t go wrong with Luis Miguel, especially his bolero albums. A song like "No se tu" will get any mexican, and for that matter, latin american, girl in the mood.

Regarding your CCR comment, Mexico is probably one of the few countries where they have a natural audience; something about the simplicity of their music, I guess. During the seventies and eighties there used to be a daily program featuring their music here in Mexico City. It is the same with the Beatles, the Eagles, the Stones, Queen, and for the younger generations, Placebo.

Cheers.

MJ,

Thanks for the advice, I have many suggestions to go by now. I also have asked the same question on another board, and already received some suggestions there as well. I am way ahead of you on the Limewire idea, but thanks anyway. Last night, I downloaded some Mana, Paulina Rubio, Juanes, and Shakira. Now, I'll start the same process with your suggestions.

Even with respect to Pedro Infante, I will even down load some of his music, if for no other reason than perhaps there will be a girl that was socialized with it as a kid, and perhaps she will still have an appreciation of it as a result of hearing it when their parents played it.

I find Carlos' comment about Pedro Infante interesting because something occurred to me when I was writing the question about wanting some music for the chicas. Remember the 70's, you old farts out there. Remember, how the girls in the USA were totally blown away with James Taylor, Bread, etc...

IMHO, those songs still do intrinsically have the magic, but of course the chicas in the US no longer really have even a clue about some of the artists that sung romantic songs of the 70's, songs dripping with sentimentality and nurturing melodies. But, believe me, that music was like an aphrodisiac in the early to mid 70's in the US.

But, what was once wildly popular and effective eventually goes away, becoming passe and old news. If I tried using Bread or James Taylor on a female hotty in the US today, assuming of course that I was younger, and had a snow balls chance in Hell with them anyway, the music of Bread and James Taylor would all but fall on deaf ears, verdad?

But, there are kids out there in the US, 18-24, that were perhaps raised with their parents listening to certain music selections, and there may actually still be an appeal to certain girls that have a nostalgic openess to certain music selections from the past, primarily as a result of their being indoctrinated to it at an earlier age as their parents probably played it in the car, etc... So, you never know, maybe Pedro Infante will strike a chord with a few of them. I will probably at least keep him in the laptop just in case.

I recall playing some Eagles selections for one of my girls in MTY. I was totally blown away when she told me how much she loved the Eagles. This girl had just turned 21 years old. Most girls in Mexico haven't clue who they even are, except most have heard Hotel California a billion times in the clubs, but they don't know it's the Eagles.

I've had the same kind of experience with playing Creedence Clearwater Rivival for some Mexican girls. Some know them quite well, and they express total and complete familiarization with CCR, expressing how much they love their music. But, the majority haven't a clue who they are.

But, interestingly enough, I recall being in Las Pulgas on Reforma Street, and wanting to sample a Creedence DVD. You should have seen all the Mexicans that flocked to the DVD booth to stand and listen to Creedence. But, admitedly, most of the bystanders were up in years, at least over 30 anyway. Come to think of it too, I don't remember any chicas flocking to the booth. Oh well, maybe if you are gay and want to impress mature Mexican men, you can use the tip :-)

I always find it interesting which music finds it's way from the US to a position of popularity in Mexico. With respect to popular music today in the US, I am virtually out of it, and would probably have to ask the same question about the girls of the US as I have asked about the girls of Mexico.

Everybody...all other suggestions about what music I should get is sincerely appreciated...Thanks all.

Member #3453

11-19-06, 05:38

Guys, thanks for the additional suggestions. I already now have a pretty sizeable sampling of the music you've suggested, downloading most of it within the last 24 hours.

I've noticed that many of the young girls I know, the strippers that are working in the clubs, are quite fond of heavy metal, hip hop, and rap music.

With respect to recommendations I have received on another board, it's interesting that the following heavy metal bands have also been recommended, even when I stipulated that I was primarily interested in romantic, tranquilo sounds.

Here is a list of what's already been suggested on the other board with respect to heavy metal groups: Rata Blanca, Angeles del Infierno, Lethal, C.R.I.M.I.N.A.L, Control Machete, A.N.I.M.A.L, Todos Tus Muertos, and Iron Maiden.

I don't mean for it to sound like I'm bitching about being provided with all the alternatives...I mean, I am open to any and all kinds of music that might be a catalyst in my endeavors. So, I guess I will open it up my inquiry here to include all different kinds of music.

Frankly, and I don't want to seem like a dud with respect to what's "hip," but the heavy metal music doesn't really inspire me that much, and I am generally turned off by rap and hip hop. I mean, I am already getting a sinus headache from the Viagra I consume on salida, so I don't really need to be adding fuel to the fire, if you know what I mean.

However, I guess the important thing is whether it will inspire the girls, verdad? Problem is, some of the heavy metal, hip hop, and rap groups might have just the opposite effect on my labido :-)

What good does it do if "they" are all excited, but the heavy metal, hip hop, and rap music has me so tense and irritable that I can't even get it up? :-)

MonterreyDude

11-19-06, 18:44

I agree with Unspongebob music for the girls.
They are into all kinds of music, not just one line, because their workplace lets them hear everything in the catalouge.
When they are not working, many of them hear music for their numbers, for them to dance.
Although I agree that Luis Miguel, as someone said below, is a favorite of many a girl, but then again, no one can strip to Luis Miguel's music.

Guys, thanks for the additional suggestions. I already now have a pretty sizeable sampling of the music you've suggested, downloading most of it within the last 24 hours.

I've noticed that many of the young girls I know, the strippers that are working in the clubs, are quite fond of heavy metal, hip hop, and rap music.

With respect to recommendations I have received on another board, it's interesting that the following heavy metal bands have also been recommended, even when I stipulated that I was primarily interested in romantic, tranquilo sounds.

Here is a list of what's already been suggested on the other board with respect to heavy metal groups: Rata Blanca, Angeles del Infierno, Lethal, C.R.I.M.I.N.A.L, Control Machete, A.N.I.M.A.L, Todos Tus Muertos, and Iron Maiden.

I don't mean for it to sound like I'm bitching about being provided with all the alternatives...I mean, I am open to any and all kinds of music that might be a catalyst in my endeavors. So, I guess I will open it up my inquiry here to include all different kinds of music.

Frankly, and I don't want to seem like a dud with respect to what's "hip," but the heavy metal music doesn't really inspire me that much, and I am generally turned off by rap and hip hop. I mean, I am already getting a sinus headache from the Viagra I consume on salida, so I don't really need to be adding fuel to the fire, if you know what I mean.

However, I guess the important thing is whether it will inspire the girls, verdad? Problem is, some of the heavy metal, hip hop, and rap groups might have just the opposite effect on my labido :-)

What good does it do if "they" are all excited, but the heavy metal, hip hop, and rap music has me so tense and irritable that I can't even get it up? :-)

Member #3453

11-19-06, 22:36

I bet I know some girls that could strip to Luis Miguel...

I bet I know some girls that could strip to anything, hahahaha!!! Just kidding...well, not really...

I bet they could strip to almost anything, and look pretty damned good in the process actually.

I sort of wish the musical selections in MTY were more akin to what you find in Manilla and AC. I know many of the younger generation will find that pathetic, the ramblings of an old fart, but I like hearing the music of the 70's and 80's when I'm in the clubs in the PI. It would be nice to hear it played in the South Central Hemisphere.

And, please don't suggest that I can hear those selections in the clubs here in the US. That is no tradeoff. If push comes to shove, I will listen to screeching chalk on a chalkboard in MTY, blasted at full volume, before I will stoop to the prospect of seriously considering my visiting the clubs here in the US.

But really, those of you who are Mexican might enjoy the musical selections in the clubs of MTY, but I would sincerely love to hear my own brand of music in the clubs. It would make the experience so much more enjoyable for me, a gringo with an ear for the 70's and 80's. I like some of the Mexican selections they play, but I would like to hear more of my native music too...

Carlos, please arrange for that to be the case, post haste. I know, I guess that's asking a little too much to change eveything so the Gringo can have a good time.

Another one of my pet peaves is the excruciatingly loud music in the clubs of MTY. It is fortunate that Mexico does not allow us to transport firearms across the border, or it might be open season on several DJ's with offending volume control knobs :-) JUST JOKING!!!! I am speaking figuratively, of course!!!

But, they do play the music at a most annoying volume in the clubs. I just wish they would tone it down so I could at least talk with mis amigos and the girls without yelling at the top of my lungs. There are some nights that I have been literally hoarse from trying to talk to someone in the clubs of MTY.

Some clubs are worse than others for this, but usually, I think it's the DJ to blame. Why don't the managers demonstrate some leadership and authority and command them to tone it down a decibal or two?

USB, Esquire

I agree with Unspongebob music for the girls.
They are into all kinds of music, not just one line, because their workplace lets them hear everything in the catalouge.
When they are not working, many of them hear music for their numbers, for them to dance.
Although I agree that Luis Miguel, as someone said below, is a favorite of many a girl, but then again, no one can strip to Luis Miguel's music.

El Cabron 007

11-20-06, 19:49

I disagree. Music at most of the clubs is awesome. It is way too loud at one place, Harem? I think. The music is so loud that it literally hurts my ears and I have to stick a napkin in my left ear (facing the speaker). And forget about talking.

Otherwise, all the 3 or 4 clubs that I frequent have great music and the volume is perfect. I especially like the "I" where I set right under the speakers and they have not failed me yet in their excellent selection of songs. Of course, when the lineup is on, the music sucks. It leaves me eager for the lineup to end and the next dance to start. You gotta love how those girls shake it - Duro.

Casino music sucks.

Who is going down when? I am planning a mid December trip.

Wasted

El Cabron 007

11-21-06, 20:25

Saturday night, Mr. "L" and I went to El Infinito late. Real late. Our regular waiters were not there but another offered us a table far into the club and not my usual ones. I refused and asked to be seat at my favorite table, which was occupied. I started watching the girls and next thing I know, the 2 guys who were setting there are asked to move. The whole incident did not take over 10 seconds. The table was clean and dry for us to set at.

Now this is what I call a VIP treatment. Not to mention constant attention from our waiters and others always checking on us.

Another poor dude sat by Mr. "L" while I was giving biology lessons to one of the girls upstairs. He did not what hit him as he was asked to take a hike.

Another: We went to El Ceilo late Friday night just to kick back and relax. That's when I saw a girl I love so much. She just started her shift and looked extremely hot. I want to see her but the second she finished dancing, there was a lineup of perverts waiting for her. The lineup moved to the bottom of the stairs and, sure enough, the second she came back down, up she goes again. I told the waiter I wanted her to set with me and to ditch this lineup. OK. He goes upstairs and comes back down with her. Special delivery just for me. Sweet. I love that girls so much that I would not do things to her I do to all the other girls. She is so precious. I just want to lay her down naked and lay next to her.

Why do I feel guilty? I don't know. I do. I do not. Heck. I'm lovin it. Supersize me, please.

Wasted

Commonglass

11-21-06, 21:09

USB: Sorry, I've been away from the board for a few days. Your girl at Paserales didn't do anything particularly negative to me. To be clear, I hadn't even planned on hooking up with her. An unusual circumstance (long story) brought her to my hotel and she gave me an excellent/magical experience. I thought that we'd connected, but then she ditched me same as you. That's it.

Also, I'm sorry to object with a master monger like yourself, but there's no way in hell this girl is just another chica. I've been with more than 30 ladies in MTY and perhaps another 60 in TJ. This girl has skills for days and an attitude to match. Very athletic. At 26, she may not be playboy material, but she's tight and sexy. Definitely my ATF in Mexico. In fact, my third favorite for P4P anywhere. I don't remember her club name, but if you share it, perhaps some of the other forum members could chime in?

My Personal Bests:
Best bar fine: USB's girl at Paserales
Best BJ: Corazone at Signore
Best privado: Big-boobed cowboy-outfit girl at Matehuela
Best massage: [No experience]
Best buffet deal: Obsession
Best business hotel w/ Mongering Opportunities: Sheraton
Best shopping: small shops in labryinth around Centro de Autobuses
Best mode of transportation in-city: cab
Best way to get to MTY: Plane to Laredo or McAllen, then $100 Mexican cab to hotel in MTY (2.5 hours)
Best non-mongering deals in MTY: $8 tooth polishing, $1.50 shoe shines, tequila (of course), $7 Cuban cigars, $3 bootleg DVDs, $10 knockoff sneakers, in-town cab fare anywhere (if the meter's on), advice from Carlos Perez on anything, free admission to the Palacio Gobierno, ice cream at any park at sunset

Bbond

11-22-06, 03:39

WASHINGTON - Nearly all air travelers entering the U.S. will be required to show passports beginning Jan. 23, including returning Americans and people from Canada and other nations in the Western Hemisphere.

The date was disclosed Tuesday by Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff in an interview with The Associated Press. The Homeland Security Department plans to announce the change on Wednesday.

Until now, the department had not set a specific date for instituting the passport requirement for air travelers, though the start had been expected to be around the beginning of the year. Setting the date on Jan. 23 pushes the start past the holiday season.

The requirement marks a change for Americans, Canadians, Bermudians and some Mexicans.

Currently, U.S. citizens returning from other countries in the hemisphere are not required to present passports but must show other proof of citizenship such as driver's licenses or birth certificates.

Visitors from most countries in the hemisphere are required to show passports. However, people from Canada, Bermuda — and those from Mexico who enter the U.S. frequently and have special border-crossing cards — have been allowed to use other forms of identification, including driver's licenses.

"Right now, there are 8,000 different state and local entities in the U.S. issuing birth certificates and driver's licenses," Chertoff said. Having to distinguish phony from real in so many different documents "puts an enormous burden on our Customs and Border inspectors," he said.

In a few cases, other documents still may be used for air entry into the U.S. by some frequent travelers between the U.S. and Canada, members of the American military on official business and some U.S. merchant mariners.

Under a separate program, Homeland Security plans to require all travelers, including Americans, entering the U.S. by land or sea to show a passport or an alternative security identification card starting as early as January 2008.

El Cabron 007

11-22-06, 03:53

Please provide details on bus rides from Laredo to MTY. All details such as hours, get on and get off .. etc. I am very interested. It would save me around $250 each trip.

USB: Sorry, I've been away from the board for a few days. Your girl at Paserales didn't do anything particularly negative to me. To be clear, I hadn't even planned on hooking up with her. An unusual circumstance (long story) brought her to my hotel and she gave me an excellent/magical experience. I thought that we'd connected, but then she ditched me same as you. That's it.

Also, I'm sorry to object with a master monger like yourself, but there's no way in hell this girl is just another chica. I've been with more than 30 ladies in MTY and perhaps another 60 in TJ. This girl has skills for days and an attitude to match. Very athletic. At 26, she may not be playboy material, but she's tight and sexy. Definitely my ATF in Mexico. In fact, my third favorite for P4P anywhere. I don't remember her club name, but if you share it, perhaps some of the other forum members could chime in?

My Personal Bests:
Best bar fine: USB's girl at Paserales
Best BJ: Corazone at Signore
Best privado: Big-boobed cowboy-outfit girl at Matehuela
Best massage: [No experience]
Best buffet deal: Obsession
Best business hotel w/ Mongering Opportunities: Sheraton
Best shopping: small shops in labryinth around Centro de Autobuses
Best mode of transportation in-city: cab
Best way to get to MTY: Plane to Laredo or McAllen, then $100 Mexican cab to hotel in MTY (2.5 hours)
Best non-mongering deals in MTY: $8 tooth polishing, $1.50 shoe shines, tequila (of course), $7 Cuban cigars, $3 bootleg DVDs, $10 knockoff sneakers, in-town cab fare anywhere (if the meter's on), advice from Carlos Perez on anything, free admission to the Palacio Gobierno, ice cream at any park at sunset

Prokofiev

11-22-06, 05:10

"Best way to get to MTY: Plane to Laredo or McAllen, then $100 Mexican cab to hotel in MTY (2.5 hours)"

Is this a joke? How can flying into Laredo and then pay $200 and 5 hrs RT in a Mexican cab be better than flying directly into the city? Maybe if you LIVE in Laredo . . .

"Best BJ: Corazone at Signore"

Your double team experience at Signore definitely seems like a "best bang for the buck" experience. I concur.

MonterreyDude

11-22-06, 06:01

Prokofiev
MPs here in Monterrey are a flip of a coin.
What is good today, might not be there next week.
Unfortunatly rotation at MPs is extremely high. The girls that might have given Tyson the good experience might not be there today.
That is what I don't like of MPs,
As a matter of fact I don't like MPs...

"Best way to get to MTY: Plane to Laredo or McAllen, then $100 Mexican cab to hotel in MTY (2.5 hours)"

Is this a joke? How can flying into Laredo and then pay $200 and 5 hrs RT in a Mexican cab be better than flying directly into the city? Maybe if you LIVE in Laredo . . .

"Best BJ: Corazone at Signore"

Your double team experience at Signore definitely seems like a "best bang for the buck" experience. I concur.

Member #3453

11-22-06, 06:12

WastedGGGGGGGGGGGGGG,

I think Laredo is slightly closer to MTY than Reynosa. I know the routine through Laredo the best, so I will give you that information.

First, there are very few options for cheap transportation to and from the Laredo Airport to the border. I have checked this out, and there simply is no better alternative than to take a taxi, which will cost you $20US. Do not let them talk you into taking you across the border, it will cost at least $40-$45US, and you will be sitting in traffic a long time.

Take a taxi to Bridge #1, which is the only walking bridge into Mexico. Bridge #2 is for vehicular traffic only and you should avoid it completely. From the entrance to bridge #1, you will walk through the turn styles as you exit the US. I think you’ll have to deposit 50 cents at the turn style gate.

You will walk the distance across the bridge, which usually takes 3-4 minutes at most. After you cross the bridge, you will pass through an area that looks like what you see in the MTY airport with the red/green stop light. But, usually, there is nobody manning that post. You just keep walking along with all the other people, and you will not usually be approached, stopped, or anything. There are Mexican Customs agents nearer to the main intersection a few hundred feet South of the crossing, but they will not generally hassle you. After you pass through the red/green light area, look immediately to your right. The Mexican immigration office is located there, and you can obtain your visa. It is well marked and you should have no problem seeing it.

Check in with the immigration official and request a visa. I obtained a 6-month visa there, which costs about $25US, I think. But, if you are only staying for a short time, several days, there is no charge for the visa. If you don’t have pesos, they will send you one door South where you can pay in US dollars. Then, you have to come back and get the visa issued. I chose to get the 6 month visa so I would not have to stop in at the immigration office delaying my progress every time I want to visit MTY.

I recommend that you DO definitely obtain a visa because Mexican immigration will occasional check for visas at the immigration check point about thirty miles South of the border. If you are found not to have a valid visa, they will send you back to the US. I have been checked several times, in both directions, and fortunately, I have always had a visa in my possession.

Once you have obtained your visa, you can take a taxi to the “Central de Autobuses,” the main bus station in Nuevo Laredo. You can get a bus to MTY for about 180-190 pesos, one-way.

A taxi from the Mexico side to the central bus station in Nuevo Laredo should only cost you 50-100 pesos. The taxi drivers like to get 100 pesos out of Gringos. But, if you act like you know what you’re doing, and you tell them 50 pesos, they will usually agree. They don’t try to get 100 pesos out of me these days, but in the past, when I was more “Gringo-ized” they tried it every time.

I personally prefer the Primara Plus bus line, which has it’s own bus station about the same distance from the border as the central main bus station. The cost of a taxi there should also be only 50 pesos as well.

Sometimes, there are guys selling bus services near the Mexican Customs guard station at the intersection, after you cross over the border, just a couple hundred feet in front of the immigration office.

There is a Primera Plus hawker there sometimes, and he will make sure the taxi drivers take you to the Primera Plus bus station for 50 pesos. Don’t give these bus sales agents any money. You will pay the bus fare to the ticket agents in their respective bus stations.

All the decent bus lines run all day long from very early in the morning, maybe like around 4:30am, until about midnight each day, maybe even later. They usually run at 45 minute to one hour intervals, so you can almost always catch a bus to MTY in a very timely manner, usually only having to wait a short time in the station until the bus departs. It is very convenient.

If I take a bus from the main bus station, I usually choose Noreste or one of the "Grupo Senda" lines. You can visit http://www.gruposenda.com. where you will find the schedules and fares, but everything is in Spanish.

They are very nice, clean, comfortable buses. Grupo Senda even has an Executive Line that is a little more expensive, maybe 230 pesos, and it’s slightly more of a deluxe experience. But, their standard line is perfectly fine, and enjoyable for 190 pesos. Actually, the Grupo Senda Executive Line is slightly quieter, they provide a sandwich and drink, and they give you a pair of personalized earbuds for tv movies that are played enroute. But, IMHO, Primera Plus is almost on par with the more costly Executive Grupo Senda line, so I usually opt for Grupo Senda on the trip from Laredo to MTY.

I do prefer the Primera Plus line because their bus station is nicer, and their buses are virtually empty compared to the Grupo Senda buses. Plus, they also give you a Sandwich, which I believe is slightly tastier, and a Soda, as part of the fare, which is only 190 pesos compared to 230 pesos for Grupo Senda's Executive Line. Primera Plus' schedule to MTY seems to run about every 45 minutes, and they are always quite prompt. By the way, the Primera Plus bus station is right adjacent to Prestige in MTY just a block South of Madero, and you know right where that is. So, their buses deliver you right to ground zero, not too far from the main central bus station in MTY.

However, there is one detractor on return trips to the border from MTY using Primera Plus. They do not depart MTY for Laredo until 2:30pm in the afternoon each day, so I always have to take a Grupo Senda bus out of the main bus station in MTY back to the border in order to arrive in time to catch my flight.

Speaking of allowing sufficient time, make sure you allow plenty of time when using the buses. Remember, you have to allow enough time to walk back across the border, clear customs on the US side, etc…

It’s a 3.5-4 hour bus ride between MTY and Nuevo Laredo depending on traffic. My trips have always taken much longer than 2.5 hours, probably because of the time of day that I've been traveling and the effect that has on traffic conditions.

I recommend that you allow at least 6-7 hours travel time before your flight is scheduled to leave in order to make sure you’re going to arrive in time to catch your flight home. I’ve been known to depart MTY a full 7-8 hours before my flight departs Laredo just to account for any delays that might arise along the way. That may seem excessive, but I prefer to error on the side of caution than to miss a flight due to traffic delays.

By the time you factor in the cost of taxis and bus fare, I usually save about $130 by taking buses versus flying direct into MTY. Plus, there is the costly taxi to and from the airport to consider, at least 230 pesos these days. So, maybe the cost of a taxi ride between bus stations is a moot point, and the cost of taxi to and from the border to the Laredo airport is about identical to the cost of taxis to and from downtown MTY to the airport.

So lately, the way I figure it, if I can save $130US, I can conceivably get almost three salidas for that money. Lately, I have been finding girls that will meet me after work for about 500 pesos. Not a bad trade off investing a little extra travel time. Besides, it takes about 40 minutes just to get to the airport in MTY from downtown. So, IMHO, a little extra travel time is easily doable.

I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any questions.

Please provide details on bus rides from Laredo to MTY. All details such as hours, get on and get off .. etc. I am very interested. It would save me around $250 each trip.

Member #3453

11-22-06, 14:55

Tyson,

Imagine "Blowback Girl" when she was only 22 years old, cute as a button, no babies yet, and free as a bird. When I first met her at TVO, she was the most enchanting girl I had ever met in my life. The body on that girl was sooooooooo hard, etc...you could have bounced a quarter off her abdomen at that time, and her ass was as hard as a rock. She was the quintessential "DEVA."

But, to be honest, and after knowing her all this time, I also realize she is a hardened "player." She can turn it on and turn it off at will, and has no degree of sincerity in her personality. These days, it is all an act with her, and to a degree, if I am perfectly honest with myself, it probably always was to a certain extent.

But, at 22 years old, she was perhaps a little less hardended, and a lot fresher than she is today. At that time, when I first bar fined her, she told me she had only done one other salida. So, if that was true, the prospect of being asked to go on salida was probably a little more of an ego boost for her then, and a novelty that had not yet become old. Initially, there were a few times with me that she actually came to the hotel for no money, so she was either playing a hunch for future earnings, or there was some degree of initial sincerity there. Frankly, I think her interest and her attraction to me initially was almost 100% curiosity about being with a "Gringo," something she had not done yet, and the money was the catalyst.

Unlike her routine today, where she baits us into believing she is going to return to the hotel to see us, austensibly because she is so HOT for us, she literally did return to the hotel to be with me when I first met her. She literally did that for four days straight one time, even actually accompanying me up to Reynosa on a business trip once. I suppose that she might need to return to her baby these days, hence the no-show routine, but I think she would play it that way even if she had no other responsibilities.

At that time, she was less hardened a pro than she is now, and her exhibitions of affection for me seemed genuine. She did spend todo la noche with me on those initial meetings. I can only imagine what the lucky bastard might experience that actually has the favor of her true affections, a glimpse of which I believe I received from her initially when we first met, and a glimpse of which you may have also received in you session with her.

When we first met, we had more between us at that time than what some might typically experience with their routine romps in Mexico. I remember one time she actually brought me with her to a tatoo parlor to have my initials carved in her abdomen, on the front of her abdomen opposite the rose tatoo.

Anyway, the rose tatoo was not there at that time. You see, the rose tatoo was for the father of her baby, a male stripper she met several months after I met her. She apparently liked to tatoo the "significant" players, so I feel somewhat flattered in that respect.

In her own words, if you were a significant player, and especially if she succombed to having sex with you without a condom, something she would not normally do, then she would memorialize the event with a tatoo tribute.

I felt somewhat flattered because at that time, she only had three tatoos, and I was going to be #4. But, of course, sin condom is not the smart thing to do, and I try to avoid that practice these days. However, at that time, and as hot as she was, I was literally putty in her hands.

She had on several occassions expressed some remorsefulness at having so many tatoos, and I think she actually, as she got older, wished she had not gotten them. I think she was just a little disgusted at the prospect of always being branded that way, never to be able to "mature" away from the connotation that those tatoos suggest about who she is or has been in her life. But, frankly, I think her remorsefulness over her deeds in life are fleeting as best.

But, anyway, knowing her feelings, when we were visiting the tatoo artist, I was apprehensive at letting her put yet another tatoo on her body that she would someday regret having. She was waiting for the tatoo artist to get done with another client, and I decided that it was a bad idea, so I convinced her to scrap the idea. But, she was actually going to carve her initials in her body as a testiment of our undying love. Ain't that a hoot! You were right when you said she's a piece of work with SIGNIFICANT issues in her life and personality.

But, of course, as all these liasons eventually reveal, she is merely in it all for the money. I do think she was initially quite interested in being with me when we first met at TVO. But,the money is always more or less the primary motivation for all of them. However, in her case, these days the money is more a motivator for her than some other girls I have known in Monterrey, and she can really turn on the charm if she wants to.

I think she is a top earner still today, and especially before she had her baby. I mean, today, she only seems to have to work two days a week to make her bills, Friday and Saturday. To my knowledge, she has no other employment. So, that's pretty damned good earning potential for a female in Mexico to only have to work two days a week. But, IMHO, her earning potential has more to do with her personality and charm today than it even did back in the day. But, "back in the day," her body, charm, and personality were golden for her.

Carlos always warned me about her, even from the beginning. The two of them tolerate one another for my sake to this day. Carlos has always told me she was not a "good" girl, meaning that she was not really a good provider of service. She always sensed his negative opinions of her. So, they have this kind of congenial, friendly, but sincerely held apparent rivalrous distaste for one another. They tolerate each other for me.

But, it is really gratifying to have another monger provide a testimonial about her. Carlos always thought it was just my delusional ramblings about her being my favorita. She is no longer my favorita, but she still holds a definite place in my heart, mind, and...well, you know. But, I rejoice at finally being exhonorated by having yet another experienced MTY monger testify to the bounds to which she is capable of, if for no other reason than to prove that my rambling about her to Carlos over the years have had some basis in fact, and are not the dilusional rambling of a love sick amateur.

See, Carlos...seeeeeeee, there is another guy out there that succombed to her superior charms. I told you she was special. But, all that having been said, she can be an outstanding provider of service, but her service, at least where I am concerned, and compared to what I can get in Monterrey on a relatively consistent basis these days from a number of other girls, is relatively inconsistent. So, in the final analysis, perhaps Carlos' perceptions were also correct.

For example, today she might be outstanding, but if you visit her a couple of months from now, you may come away with an entirely different experience. Her personality defects are so pronounced that the swings in her personality effect the consistency of her act. Plus, in subsequent sessions, and especially with as much familiarity as we have between us at this juncture, she has a hard time maintaining the deception with me, thereby spoiling the illusion. She does have a difficult time maintaining the illusions past the second or third session, a fatal flaw in her business plan, IMHO.

Don't misunderstand, I really love this girl, more as a result of having known her all this time, and as a reminiscent reverence for her past performance and seemingly sincere affections. But, as a provider, she has lost much of her appeal for me at this juncture. It is like when you know a really HOT girl, but you work with her every day, putting up with the totality of her being. Even the most beautiful of them all eventually become routine. That is my present state of being in her case. I know her too well. Except...

This last time when I bar fined her, she was actually a little drunk. I was amused because she kept suggesting that I also bar fine a second girl to go with us. I did not think she had any gay tendencies before, when I first me her, but her desire to push the envelope is certainly part of her personality.

I asked her this last time if she likes girls and she said "No, but it's dangerous." Of course, she was drunk, and maybe she was wanting to push the envelope again, or maybe she actually has developed some gay tendencies, or perhaps a repressed attraction to women is what fuels her personality defects in actuality.

Who knows what a psychiatrist might say...hard telling. But, she is definitely a girl that likes taking chances, pushing the envelop, etc...She has done drugs when she was younger, is tatooed to the hilt, is a hooker, is a girl that can take her clothes off in front of audiences of complete strangers, had a baby out of wedlock, with no prospect of maintaining a legitimate boyfriend. She needs love by can't sustain the commitment of a relationship with a man. She really is so messed up it isn't even funny. So, the idea that she might want to experiment with women doesn't, in retrospect, surprise me.

But, a session with her experimenting with girls was an interesting prospect to say the least. But, at the time, I couldn't afford the price of two girls, and I didn't want to risk the prospect that she may not particularly enjoy another girl after all, thereby ruining the potentially satisfying experience with her at my expense. But, it might be interesting, and an event that I might contemplate in the future.

USB: Sorry, I've been away from the board for a few days. Your girl at Paserales didn't do anything particularly negative to me. To be clear, I hadn't even planned on hooking up with her. An unusual circumstance (long story) brought her to my hotel and she gave me an excellent/magical experience. I thought that we'd connected, but then she ditched me same as you. That's it.

Also, I'm sorry to object with a master monger like yourself, but there's no way in hell this girl is just another chica. I've been with more than 30 ladies in MTY and perhaps another 60 in TJ. This girl has skills for days and an attitude to match. Very athletic. At 26, she may not be playboy material, but she's tight and sexy. Definitely my ATF in Mexico. In fact, my third favorite for P4P anywhere. I don't remember her club name, but if you share it, perhaps some of the other forum members could chime in?

My Personal Bests:
Best bar fine: USB's girl at Paserales
Best BJ: Corazone at Signore
Best privado: Big-boobed cowboy-outfit girl at Matehuela
Best massage: [No experience]
Best buffet deal: Obsession
Best business hotel w/ Mongering Opportunities: Sheraton
Best shopping: small shops in labryinth around Centro de Autobuses
Best mode of transportation in-city: cab
Best way to get to MTY: Plane to Laredo or McAllen, then $100 Mexican cab to hotel in MTY (2.5 hours)
Best non-mongering deals in MTY: $8 tooth polishing, $1.50 shoe shines, tequila (of course), $7 Cuban cigars, $3 bootleg DVDs, $10 knockoff sneakers, in-town cab fare anywhere (if the meter's on), advice from Carlos Perez on anything, free admission to the Palacio Gobierno, ice cream at any park at sunset

El Cabron 007

11-22-06, 15:43

Thank you Carlos and Uno Bob dude for the details. You have definitely helped me decide: I would rather take a one-hour flight for $130 more than spend 7 hours on the road (each way?). The way I figure, I can spend more time with the girls. Heck, for 7 or 14 hours? I can do 3 to 5 girls.

No, it is not worth the hassle. Yet very very informative.

Wasted

WastedGGGGGGGGGGGGGG,

I think Laredo is slightly closer to MTY than Reynosa. I know the routine through Laredo the best, so I will give you that information.

First, there are very few options for cheap transportation to and from the Laredo Airport to the border. I have checked this out, and there simply is no better alternative than to take a taxi, which will cost you $20US. Do not let them talk you into taking you across the border, it will cost at least $40-$45US, and you will be sitting in traffic a long time.

Take a taxi to Bridge #1, which is the only walking bridge into Mexico. Bridge #2 is for vehicular traffic only and you should avoid it completely. From the entrance to bridge #1, you will walk through the turn styles as you exit the US. I think you’ll have to deposit 50 cents at the turn style gate.

You will walk the distance across the bridge, which usually takes 3-4 minutes at most. After you cross the bridge, you will pass through an area that looks like what you see in the MTY airport with the red/green stop light. But, usually, there is nobody manning that post. You just keep walking along with all the other people, and you will not usually be approached, stopped, or anything. There are Mexican Customs agents nearer to the main intersection a few hundred feet South of the crossing, but they will not generally hassle you. After you pass through the red/green light area, look immediately to your right. The Mexican immigration office is located there, and you can obtain your visa. It is well marked and you should have no problem seeing it.

Check in with the immigration official and request a visa. I obtained a 6-month visa there, which costs about $25US, I think. But, if you are only staying for a short time, several days, there is no charge for the visa. If you don’t have pesos, they will send you one door South where you can pay in US dollars. Then, you have to come back and get the visa issued. I chose to get the 6 month visa so I would not have to stop in at the immigration office delaying my progress every time I want to visit MTY.

I recommend that you DO definitely obtain a visa because Mexican immigration will occasional check for visas at the immigration check point about thirty miles South of the border. If you are found not to have a valid visa, they will send you back to the US. I have been checked several times, in both directions, and fortunately, I have always had a visa in my possession.

Once you have obtained your visa, you can take a taxi to the “Central de Autobuses,” the main bus station in Nuevo Laredo. You can get a bus to MTY for about 180-190 pesos, one-way.

A taxi from the Mexico side to the central bus station in Nuevo Laredo should only cost you 50-100 pesos. The taxi drivers like to get 100 pesos out of Gringos. But, if you act like you know what you’re doing, and you tell them 50 pesos, they will usually agree. They don’t try to get 100 pesos out of me these days, but in the past, when I was more “Gringo-ized” they tried it every time.

I personally prefer the Primara Plus bus line, which has it’s own bus station about the same distance from the border as the central main bus station. The cost of a taxi there should also be only 50 pesos as well.

Sometimes, there are guys selling bus services near the Mexican Customs guard station at the intersection, after you cross over the border, just a couple hundred feet in front of the immigration office.

There is a Primera Plus hawker there sometimes, and he will make sure the taxi drivers take you to the Primera Plus bus station for 50 pesos. Don’t give these bus sales agents any money. You will pay the bus fare to the ticket agents in their respective bus stations.

All the decent bus lines run all day long from very early in the morning, maybe like around 4:30am, until about midnight each day, maybe even later. They usually run at 45 minute to one hour intervals, so you can almost always catch a bus to MTY in a very timely manner, usually only having to wait a short time in the station until the bus departs. It is very convenient.

If I take a bus from the main bus station, I usually choose Noreste or one of the "Grupo Senda" lines. You can visit http://www.gruposenda.com. where you will find the schedules and fares, but everything is in Spanish.

They are very nice, clean, comfortable buses. Grupo Senda even has an Executive Line that is a little more expensive, maybe 230 pesos, and it’s slightly more of a deluxe experience. But, their standard line is perfectly fine, and enjoyable for 190 pesos. Actually, the Grupo Senda Executive Line is slightly quieter, they provide a sandwich and drink, and they give you a pair of personalized earbuds for tv movies that are played enroute. But, IMHO, Primera Plus is almost on par with the more costly Executive Grupo Senda line, so I usually opt for Grupo Senda on the trip from Laredo to MTY.

I do prefer the Primera Plus line because their bus station is nicer, and their buses are virtually empty compared to the Grupo Senda buses. Plus, they also give you a Sandwich, which I believe is slightly tastier, and a Soda, as part of the fare, which is only 190 pesos compared to 230 pesos for Grupo Senda's Executive Line. Primera Plus' schedule to MTY seems to run about every 45 minutes, and they are always quite prompt. By the way, the Primera Plus bus station is right adjacent to Prestige in MTY just a block South of Madero, and you know right where that is. So, their buses deliver you right to ground zero, not too far from the main central bus station in MTY.

However, there is one detractor on return trips to the border from MTY using Primera Plus. They do not depart MTY for Laredo until 2:30pm in the afternoon each day, so I always have to take a Grupo Senda bus out of the main bus station in MTY back to the border in order to arrive in time to catch my flight.

Speaking of allowing sufficient time, make sure you allow plenty of time when using the buses. Remember, you have to allow enough time to walk back across the border, clear customs on the US side, etc…

It’s a 3.5-4 hour bus ride between MTY and Nuevo Laredo depending on traffic. My trips have always taken much longer than 2.5 hours, probably because of the time of day that I've been traveling and the effect that has on traffic conditions.

I recommend that you allow at least 6-7 hours travel time before your flight is scheduled to leave in order to make sure you’re going to arrive in time to catch your flight home. I’ve been known to depart MTY a full 7-8 hours before my flight departs Laredo just to account for any delays that might arise along the way. That may seem excessive, but I prefer to error on the side of caution than to miss a flight due to traffic delays.

By the time you factor in the cost of taxis and bus fare, I usually save about $130 by taking buses versus flying direct into MTY. Plus, there is the costly taxi to and from the airport to consider, at least 230 pesos these days. So, maybe the cost of a taxi ride between bus stations is a moot point, and the cost of taxi to and from the border to the Laredo airport is about identical to the cost of taxis to and from downtown MTY to the airport.

So lately, the way I figure it, if I can save $130US, I can conceivably get almost three salidas for that money. Lately, I have been finding girls that will meet me after work for about 500 pesos. Not a bad trade off investing a little extra travel time. Besides, it takes about 40 minutes just to get to the airport in MTY from downtown. So, IMHO, a little extra travel time is easily doable.

I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any questions.

Member #3453

11-22-06, 17:08

Well, actually it is time consuming in comparison, at least in a sense. That is, it doesn't take so much time in the bus itself when returning to Laredo from MTY, but by the time you have to leave in order to make sure that you have enough time to catch the flights, flights that depart 3.5 hours away from MTY, then it requires that you add plenty of sufficient time to make it back to Laredo, and not miss your flight out.

Of course, taking a flight into MTY seems to be a much easier travel day. But, comparatively, the buses are significantly more comfortable than the flights, IMHO. In my case, when visiting for a week, it doesn't bother me too much to fly into Laredo and take the buses back and forth.

I always kind of figured that the fun doesn't start until night time anyway, and if I arrive as usual, around 3pm in the afternoon into Laredo, I have plenty of time to make the trip by bus before the festivities begin in MTY.

I would have nothing much better to do than to sleep on the bus on the way down to MTY during that time anyway. It's kind of nice to catch up on your sleep in preparation for a long first night out on the town. So, for me, it kind of sets me up for a well rested late night time of visiting the clubs, rather than fighting with the airlines, waiting in airports, etc...Sometimes, just dealing with the airlines can be exhausting.

But, in your case, visiting for just a few days on the weekends, and generally arriving in the late evening as you typically do, I can see where it would be too much of a hassle to have to deal with the buses, all for the prospect of saving $130RT.

While I usually have sufficient time to make the trip by bus lately, even I sometimes debate with myself about whether the savings is worth the added time and effort. But, usually I have nothing better to do during the day, so I've chosen to save the money so it can be spent in more satisfying ways.

But, on this upcoming trip at the end of November, because it was a last minute thing, I will be flying into MTY directly from Dallas. But, my scheduled trips in January and February are scheduled to fly into Laredo, and I'll be taking the bus back down to MTY again on those two trips.

Thank you Carlos and Uno Bob dude for the details. You have definitely helped me decide: I would rather take a one-hour flight for $130 more than spend 7 hours on the road (each way?). The way I figure, I can spend more time with the girls. Heck, for 7 or 14 hours? I can do 3 to 5 girls.

No, it is not worth the hassle. Yet very very informative.

Wasted

Strike 69

11-23-06, 16:01

I've found this Escort site, can someone please tell me if the girls are real or it's just another bait & switch agency?

How abot the servive of the girls? Are they GFR, PSE or YMMV?

http://www.bomboncitasregias.com/home.htm

MonterreyDude

11-23-06, 18:15

So much lingo Strike, makes me dizzy.
Prices for Bomboncitas have always been too expensive for my tastes, although I have a policy of not requesting the services of the local escorts services, cause they generaly stink.
Bomboncitas Regias have been famous for offering uneven services, bad services and mostly the girls are amateurs that are experienced in sexual matters but not good enough as to be called excelent escorts willing to full fill the clients wishes.
Yes, the girls they have in the pictures are the real McCoy, but a picture does not guarantee service.
Back to the lingo part:
GFR: I think you are meaning Girl Friend Experience... I don't know about that, but I do know that in 2 hours paying 370 dlls will not get you a lover.
PSE: Porno Star experience... I sincerly doubt it.
YMMV: Your milage my vary, I don't know.

Bomboncitas girls charge more than double the average of regular escorts here in Monterrey (guys that read this, I mean escorts, not club girls).
If you want to have fun, I would recomend the SC here, it lets you pick among many, not just a blurred picture.
But then again, it is your call Strike....

I've found this Escort site, can someone please tell me if the girls are real or it's just another bait & switch agency?

How abot the servive of the girls? Are they GFR, PSE or YMMV?

http://www.bomboncitasregias.com/home.htm

Strike 69

11-23-06, 18:45

So much lingo Strike, makes me dizzy.

Bomboncitas girls charge more than double the average of regular escorts here in Monterrey (guys that read this, I mean escorts, not club girls).

If you want to have fun, I would recomend the SC here, it lets you pick among many, not just a blurred picture.

But then again, it is your call Strike....Thank you for the answer Carlos, I'm not familiar with the strip club scene, last time I've tried to monger was in Montreal and the strip club scene sucks there (and I'm not talking about blowjobs) however if you like escorts that's the best city in North America for escorting in my opinion. It only takes a phone call to get laid there and I'm kinda shy so that suits me better if I'm in a hotel or appartment. I agree with you the prices in the website of bomboncitas are very high, in Mtl if you wanna fuck a beautiful hot girl who is GFE or PSE the avarage rate is 120 - 160 Canadian dollars (almost 1200-1600 pesos with the exchange rate p/ hour).

So basically here in Mty I'm a newcomer, I don't have a clue about what to do. I would like to try full service strip clubs or maybe a take a stripper to an hotel room, some people recommended me the obsession, poisson, metropolis and matehaula to have fun, what is your recommendation? Can I just pick a cab and go alone there to have fun, or it's better to go there with friends in a private car?

I like girls with big tits and big asses which clubs are better to find girls like that? How much butdget it's necessary to have a lot of fun in a strip club here?

Thank you in advance and sorry for asking to many questions.

Very much appreciated

Minnesotah

11-24-06, 09:16

Thank you for the answer Carlos, I'm not familiar with the strip club scene, last time I've tried to monger was in Montreal and the strip club scene sucks there (and I'm not talking about blowjobs) however if you like escorts that's the best city in North America for escorting in my opinion. It only takes a phone call to get laid there and I'm kinda shy so that suits me better if I'm in a hotel or appartment. I agree with you the prices in the website of bomboncitas are very high, in Mtl if you wanna fuck a beautiful hot girl who is GFE or PSE the avarage rate is 120 - 160 Canadian dollars (almost 1200-1600 pesos with the exchange rate p/ hour).

A quick word about Montreal. The strip clubs in the City of Montreal are NOT full services and most of them not even offer genuine lap dances. You need to get out of the Montreal island to get real dances (for less too). As elsewhere in Quebec, you know to know where to go, if you want extras... Anyway, the rates are the same ones as calling an agency and it is legally more safe (loophole). That's why Montreal scene works so much by phone.

Now, back to Mty. Per comparaison, Mty strip clubs are really open to what you want and will be a kind of mix between a bar and a Montreal MP. So, yes, they're a good thing.

MonterreyDude

11-24-06, 09:21

Strike, all clubs here offer FS.
Of course the 5 star clubs will cost you around 3000 pesos for that down to the moderate priced ones, which will be in the range of 550-1200 pesos.
If you go to the recomended Obsession, Poisson and Metropolis (aka Premiere) you will become poor in less than 30 minutes. Poisson around 1 hour, but never the less, you'll end with an empty wallet.
Matehuala was a great club. It is not living it's former glories, BUT the brother club Infinito is a great place to visit with incredible looking girls, many that will go on a "salida" with you for 120 dlls, including bar fine.
Strike says: "I like girls with big tits and big asses".
Guys (WastedG and Unspongebob that know me well)... is this my kind of future friend???
Don't worry, you'll find plenty of this here.
Budget: 140 dlls will buy you a lot here. Just consider a little more for extras... make it 200 dlls. I spend less than 50 dlls with the club girls (no FS in this example) and get a lot.
Ask your questions Strike.
Me and the guys will gladly answer them.

Thank you for the answer Carlos, I'm not familiar with the strip club scene, last time I've tried to monger was in Montreal and the strip club scene sucks there (and I'm not talking about blowjobs) however if you like escorts that's the best city in North America for escorting in my opinion. It only takes a phone call to get laid there and I'm kinda shy so that suits me better if I'm in a hotel or appartment. I agree with you the prices in the website of bomboncitas are very high, in Mtl if you wanna fuck a beautiful hot girl who is GFE or PSE the avarage rate is 120 - 160 Canadian dollars (almost 1200-1600 pesos with the exchange rate p/ hour).

So basically here in Mty I'm a newcomer, I don't have a clue about what to do. I would like to try full service strip clubs or maybe a take a stripper to an hotel room, some people recommended me the obsession, poisson, metropolis and matehaula to have fun, what is your recommendation? Can I just pick a cab and go alone there to have fun, or it's better to go there with friends in a private car?

I like girls with big tits and big asses which clubs are better to find girls like that? How much butdget it's necessary to have a lot of fun in a strip club here?

Thank you in advance and sorry for asking to many questions.

Very much appreciated

El Cabron 007

11-24-06, 19:14

Carlos, I think you have competition here. Strike will take away your fat girls and leave us with the skinny ones :)

All kinds, did you see the movie "from midnight till dawn" or something like that? you name it, they've got it. You want big? Go next door to Genevenchy. Big is all they got.

When are you planning to visit Strike?

Wasted

Strike, all clubs here offer FS.
Of course the 5 star clubs will cost you around 3000 pesos for that down to the moderate priced ones, which will be in the range of 550-1200 pesos.
If you go to the recomended Obsession, Poisson and Metropolis (aka Premiere) you will become poor in less than 30 minutes. Poisson around 1 hour, but never the less, you'll end with an empty wallet.
Matehuala was a great club. It is not living it's former glories, BUT the brother club Infinito is a great place to visit with incredible looking girls, many that will go on a "salida" with you for 120 dlls, including bar fine.
Strike says: "I like girls with big tits and big asses".
Guys (WastedG and Unspongebob that know me well)... is this my kind of future friend???
Don't worry, you'll find plenty of this here.
Budget: 140 dlls will buy you a lot here. Just consider a little more for extras... make it 200 dlls. I spend less than 50 dlls with the club girls (no FS in this example) and get a lot.
Ask your questions Strike.
Me and the guys will gladly answer them.

Member #3453

11-24-06, 21:59

Personally, based on Strike's self admitted preference for girls that are busty and have a bigger booty, I think that he may actually find the massage parlor scene to be relatively satisfying in addition to the lower tier strip clubs.

As WastedG pointed out, if you're limiting your selection to strip clubs, then Givenchy offers a wider range of selection in that category than some of the other bars. There are many bars in MTY offering this body style, mostly the lower end bars, but they are in abundance.

Porker's rounds take him to bars that offer up the range of talent that Strike69 seems to prefer. For example, the bar across the road from Matehuela (I don't remember the name, I am trying to forget it actually :-)), maybe El Parthenon, and maybe also the bar that is South of Givenchy that Porker likes to frequent (I've successfully forgotten the name of it as well, thank GOD), also the bar that is North of Matehuela on Colon (thankfully I've forgotten the name of that one too), and there are also some of the lesser known haunts along the same road, North of El Infinito.

So, if Porker chooses to chime in here, or Carlos, if you remember the names of Porker's preferred haunts, then I'm sure that the selection available there might prove more satisfying than what he might find in the big three.

But, that having been said, if I were to recommend in order of potential among the big three, I would say that El Cielo and Matehuela are tied for that body style, with a slight edge going to El Cielo, depending on the time of the month. But, IMHO, El Infinito has the lowest number of potential candidates to choose from in that category, but there are some.

Don't misunderstand, I think Infinito would have something to offer, but not as many as the other clubs I've mentioned, and none of them would provide the diversity of selection that Porker's regular rounds would provide him.

But, as I mentioned, I would not overlook the massage parlor scene. I think it has tremendous potential for Strike's expressed preferences. And, in addition, because the massage parlors are cheaper, he may ultimately get two for the price of one when comparing the cost of paying the total cost of salidas from the strip clubs.

Thank you for the answer Carlos, I'm not familiar with the strip club scene, last time I've tried to monger was in Montreal and the strip club scene sucks there (and I'm not talking about blowjobs) however if you like escorts that's the best city in North America for escorting in my opinion. It only takes a phone call to get laid there and I'm kinda shy so that suits me better if I'm in a hotel or appartment. I agree with you the prices in the website of bomboncitas are very high, in Mtl if you wanna fuck a beautiful hot girl who is GFE or PSE the avarage rate is 120 - 160 Canadian dollars (almost 1200-1600 pesos with the exchange rate p/ hour).

So basically here in Mty I'm a newcomer, I don't have a clue about what to do. I would like to try full service strip clubs or maybe a take a stripper to an hotel room, some people recommended me the obsession, poisson, metropolis and matehaula to have fun, what is your recommendation? Can I just pick a cab and go alone there to have fun, or it's better to go there with friends in a private car?

I like girls with big tits and big asses which clubs are better to find girls like that? How much butdget it's necessary to have a lot of fun in a strip club here?

Thank you in advance and sorry for asking to many questions.

Very much appreciated

MonterreyDude

11-24-06, 22:04

Nope... he's going to like the clubs, not the MPs.
You guys (UB and WG) are so blind you do not see the real beauties at the clubs... they are there but invisible to your eyes.
And Strike means beautiful girls... BEAUTIFUL, not bottom of the barrel.
Strike, you are gonna love Casino and Harem MCs.

Personally, based on Strike's self admitted preference for girls that are busty and have a bigger booty, I think that he may actually find the massage parlor scene to be relatively satisfying.

As WastedG pointed out, if you're limiting your selection to strip clubs, then Givenchy offers a wider range of selection in that category than some of the other bars. But, I would recommend he not stop there. There are many bars in MTY offering this body style.

Porker's rounds take him to bars that offer up the range of talent that Strike69 seems to prefer. For example, the bar across the road from Matehuela (I don't remember it, I am trying to forget the name), Parthenon, and some of the lesser known haunts along the same road as Infinito. I have visited Porker's haunts, and I think those bars, and Porker's perferred massage parlor establishments might be right down Strike's alley.

So, if Porker chooses to chime in here, or Carlos, if you remember the names of Porker's preferred haunts, then I'm sure that the selection available there might prove more satisfying than what he might find in the big three.

But, that having been said, if I were to recommend in order of potential among the big three, I would say that El Cielo and Matehuela are tied, and that Infinito has the lowest number of potential candidates to choose from.

Don't misunderstand, I think Infinito would have something to offer, but not as many as the other clubs I've mentioned, and none of them would provide the diversity of selection that Porker's regular rounds would provide him.

But, as I mentioned, I would not overlook the massage parlor scene. I think it has tremendous potential for Strike's expressed preferences. And, in addition, because the massage parlors are cheaper, he may get two for the price of one when comparing the cost of paying salidas from the strip clubs.

El Cabron 007

11-25-06, 03:06

I can not believe I am hearing this from you Carlos. Therefore, I will assume you are joking:

It is all a matter of preference. We each have our own taste. You see girls that you fall head over heals for that I do not care for while the opposite is true. Same applies to each single one of us.

I am never surprised when I see the girls you like to keep company. It does not surprise me when you do not think a girl I am lusting for is not your style.

I see beauty. I love tiny little crunchy girls. You like'em with big asses. I like'em with a firm ass. I feast on small hard boobs. You lick big boob with Sal Y Lemon.

Take my "S" girl from the "I" place for example. It shocks me that she remains on stage during lineup. I am astonished that she is not the first to be taken upstairs, yet, I could never ever have enough of her. I am glad no one notices her but I am baffled no one notices her.

It is all a matter of taste.

Wasted

Nope... he's going to like the clubs, not the MPs.
You guys (UB and WG) are so blind you do not see the real beauties at the clubs... they are there but invisible to your eyes.
And Strike means beautiful girls... BEAUTIFUL, not bottom of the barrel.
Strike, you are gonna love Casino and Harem MCs.

MonterreyDude

11-25-06, 03:37

Like I said, with all of us helping, Strike is going to love MOnterrey and will come back for more!

I can not believe I am hearing this from you Carlos. Therefore, I will assume you are joking:

It is all a matter of preference. We each have our own taste. You see girls that you fall head over heals for that I do not care for while the opposite is true. Same applies to each single one of us.

I am never surprised when I see the girls you like to keep company. It does not surprise me when you do not think a girl I am lusting for is not your style.

I see beauty. I love tiny little crunchy girls. You like'em with big asses. I like'em with a firm ass. I feast on small hard boobs. You lick big boob with Sal Y Lemon.

Take my "S" girl from the "I" place for example. It shocks me that she remains on stage during lineup. I am astonished that she is not the first to be taken upstairs, yet, I could never ever have enough of her. I am glad no one notices her but I am baffled no one notices her.

It is all a matter of taste.

Wasted

Member #3453

11-25-06, 03:42

WastedG,

You will be relieved that I noticed your "S" girl, and I think she is really very, very, HOT!!! But, you will be simultaneously comforted to know that she never noticed me. I have left her alone because, I think it's a matter of not only what "our" preferences are for certain types of girls, but also whether the girls are attracted to us. I just never got a vibe off of "S" in the past, even before you knew her.

The best bar fines I've had are from girls that have picked me, and not generally the other way around. So, that's why it takes a while to find the best ones. If the chemistry isn't there, then the chances are the salida experience will not be as good as it could be no matter how good the girl looks to us.

That's why the privado experience, buying drinks for them, talking to them, and getting to know them a little more is so important. There are tons of really unbelievably beautiful girls that I have taken into the privados, but never asked them on salida. It is primarily because I did not sense the proper chemistry. But, it's also important to realize there are many shy girls that don't feel comfortable chasing us.

It just happened to me last trip when I had seen this one girl working over at El Cielo for months, but she never really gave me a second look. Last time I was in MTY, she was on stage and started to notice me in the audience. I usually spend very little time sitting in one place long enough for them to target me from the presentation floor. But, this particular time, I was just sitting for a much longer period of time nursing a diet Coke, just to kill time and contemplate whether I had any interest in any of the girls in the presentation. I had noticed her before, but never chosen her for salida, mainly because I hadn't previously received the right vibe from her, and also because she is not a total DEVA...but, she is thin, and she has an ass to die for. So, anyway, she was not at the top of my priority list, but still, she was interesting to me none the less.

Anyway, this last time I was in El Cileo, this girl targeted me. She started trying to talk to me from the stage during the presentation, indicating she wanted to know me better. I wasn't sure if she was trying to get the attention of another dude sitting in front of me, but she just kept pointing past him, and asking me to take her up. She was pretty persistent with me, even when there were plenty of other guys in the audience. I have remained comfortably obscure under similiar circumstances many times, but she was so persistent that I finally gave in. I decided I would take her into the privados for a test drive, and she seemed to have the "interest level" that usually makes for a good catalyst to GFE, so I am seriously considering taking her on salida this next trip.

I would not have normally paid too much attention to the solicitations of a bar girl, especially on only my first privado with her. But, I took notice when she agreed to go with me on salida for only 250 pesos, todo la noche...The deal she agreed to was that I was to pay 500 pesos, and she was going to pay the salida to the bar out of her cut. She kept telling me she wanted to go with me, and that she was attracted to me. I suggested that she meet me at the hotel after work so she could keep the whole 500 pesos, screw the bar fine. Anyway, our plans were that I was supposed to return around 9:30 to solidify the deal. She made me promise four times that I would come back to confirm that we would be meeting.

Well, I've heard it all, and I'm quite skeptical about their true interest level having anything much more to do with anything than making money. But, frankly, if a girl agrees to go with me for todo la noche for 500 pesos, of which she is initially willing to pay the bar 350 pesos out of her cut, I have to imagine that there is possibly some good strong chemistry there, and that maybe money ain't the motivator. That would mean she is willing to go with me for under $25US. Got to be something more to it, verdad? Just the right formula for a potentially outstanding GFE in my estimation.

Unfortunately, on the last trip, I was with you and Carlos at Casino around 9:30pm, and I decided for several reasons to blow her off in favor of spending time with my amigos at Casino. This girl had a persistent cold that she was fighting, and I frankly, did not want to chance catching it from her. Plus, your girl at Casino was so HOT I enjoyed looking at her, and I enjoyed groping and eying mine too, of course. Anyway, the time slipped away, and my El Cielo girl got off work at 11pm.

So, we never got a chance to hook up. Undoubtedly, I will have to make it up to her this trip by following through on my promise. I felt kind of bad about it because she was really pushing me at the time, asking me if I was lying to her about returning to claim her, etc...I felt bad that I didn't show up. But, I will make it up to her this trip.

Anyway, I have a tendency to agree with Carlos in that it's not always the "hottest" of the girls that are the best bar fines, actually quite the contrary. Most of my salida girlfriends are not really that hot in the light of day. But, most of them really make up for it in the privacy of the hotel room.

Carlos always reminds me when I notice a particularly HOT girl, suggesting to him that I might want to take her on salida, buy her a drink, etc...that I am choosing girls that are either out of my league, too attractive, vestal virgin teasers, etc...What he is trying to explain is that sometimes girls that might have only nice attributes, but not the ones that are perhaps the HOTTEST of the lot, are the best girls for salidas.

After years are testing the theory, I tend to agree with him.

I can not believe I am hearing this from you Carlos. Therefore, I will assume you are joking:

It is all a matter of preference. We each have our own taste. You see girls that you fall head over heals for that I do not care for while the opposite is true. Same applies to each single one of us.

I am never surprised when I see the girls you like to keep company. It does not surprise me when you do not think a girl I am lusting for is not your style.

I see beauty. I love tiny little crunchy girls. You like'em with big asses. I like'em with a firm ass. I feast on small hard boobs. You lick big boob with Sal Y Lemon.

Take my "S" girl from the "I" place for example. It shocks me that she remains on stage during lineup. I am astonished that she is not the first to be taken upstairs, yet, I could never ever have enough of her. I am glad no one notices her but I am baffled no one notices her.

It is all a matter of taste.

Wasted

El Cabron 007

11-25-06, 05:45

All my friends know I force-share.

I want to suggest an idea: SWING?

This has been the case with me and Mr. "L". Often, we pick 2 girls for take out knowing which girls is whose. For some odd reason, we almost always end up switching girls. Right in the middle of things, and as you recall Uno Bob dude, at the Casico, you liked my girl and I wanted your chica. Dang that girl is hot.

Take my "S", "P", "X", "J", "J", "M", "K", "G", "F" ... wow, so many. And I will take one of yours.

"S" girl will not notice anyone and will never give a GFE. Never. She is so cold hearted and will turn off instantly. After my experience with the "D" girl, I find it better not to have any emotional ties whatsoever. It is purely physical. She's usually in a bitchy mood but that does not bother me a bit. I know how to switch on her buttons and once she's on, hot damn, she is the sweetest thing. Time with her goes by so quickly that I always want more. However, and fortunately, she also knows to turn off once we're done. If she shows me any emotions, I will fall again and that would be the end of me.

In my last trip, she asked me to take her out. I told her I already had my fill with my "P" girl early in the day. We ended up upstairs. She got me hard and she says 'Look, you're hard, let's go' :). How sweet is that?

Take my Lady "J" from the "O" place. She is a perfect companion and she's always telling me how she 'loves' me. She tells me how she dreams of me, and she sleeps in the pajamas that I bought her. Sure. I love you too honey. Just as much as I will love the girls I will see once I am done with you. But I am beyond any emotions that I do not look for them and when they surface, I can not help but simply smile and say to myself 'Mentirosa', 'Tonterías'.

The girls are a drink. Once you down it, time for the next one. Nurse it like your diet Coke and when you finish it, ask for the bill and move on. Still, I remain fully respectful. I will never insult them or intentionally hurt anyone of them. They are very precious to someone else, if not to me. I will open doors for them and treat them as good as I possibly can. Never under pay them and occasionally tip them to their pleasure.

I love them but will not fall for them. EVER.

This is not the real me. I fall in love with every girl I meet. But in the clubs, I check my emotions at the border.

When are you coming back down? I am planning a 4th week of December trip. Will we see you?

Carlos and I went to the shop you mentioned and bought a pocket rocket. it was a hit at the clubs. The "A" girl at the Casino took it up with her on stage during the line up and was pocking all the girls on stage. What a sight. They pocked the waiters, the girls and even some of the customers. She put on the most angelic face and asked me if she could keep it. That face will make you want to take her home to mother. I enjoyed her while she begged but still said no. And then the girls at the "P" place broke it. Cheep garbage!

Wasted

WastedG,

You will be relieved that I noticed your "S" girl, and I think she is really very, very, HOT!!! But, you will be simultaneously comforted to know that she never noticed me. I have left her alone because, I think it's a matter of not only what "our" preferences are for certain types of girls, but also whether the girls are attracted to us. I just never got a vibe off of "S" in the past, even before you knew her.

The best bar fines I've had are from girls that have picked me, and not generally the other way around. So, that's why it takes a while to find the best ones. If the chemistry isn't there, then the chances are the salida experience will not be as good as it could be no matter how good the girl looks to us.

That's why the privado experience, buying drinks for them, talking to them, and getting to know them a little more is so important. There are tons of really unbelievably beautiful girls that I have taken into the privados, but never asked them on salida. It is primarily because I did not sense the proper chemistry. But, it's also important to realize there are many shy girls that don't feel comfortable chasing us.

Carlos always reminds me when I notice a particularly HOT girl, suggesting to him that I might want to take her on salida, buy her a drink, etc...that I am choosing girls that are either out of my league, too attractive, vestal virgin teasers, etc...What he is trying to explain is that sometimes girls that might have only nice attributes, but not the ones that are perhaps the HOTTEST of the lot, are the best girls for salidas.

After years are testing the theory, I tend to agree with him.

El Cabron 007

11-25-06, 05:51

I have to agree. Every trip I made to MTY was supposedly my last trip only to end up booking the next flight on the day I return home. But this one will be el último. Yes.

I am desire. Once you have a taste of me, you will want me forever.

Wasted

Like I said, with all of us helping, Strike is going to love MOnterrey and will come back for more!

El Cabron 007

11-25-06, 06:12

Voy de prisa siempre en contra del reloj
Todo lo que viví, nunca fue para mí
Y aunque duele aceptarlo es así.

Tonterías, nos separan a los dos
Una historia sin fin se vuelve a repetir
Y es que se que soy parte de ti

Porque después de tu amor ya no hay nada
Y reconozco el miedo en tu mirada
Porque, siempre caigo rendida cuando tú me llamas
Porque, siempre a cada minuto te vuelvo a extrañar

Eres para mí desde que te vi
No te dejo de pensar
Y es que tengo tanto miedo de volverte a amar

Volvería a apostar por este amor
A perder la razón, eres tú la ilusión que atrapa mi corazón

Porque después de tu amor ya no hay nada
Y reconozco el miedo en tu mirada
Porque, siempre caigo rendida cuando tú me llamas
Porque, siempre a cada minuto te vuelvo a extrañar

Eres para mí desde que te vi
No te dejo de pensar
Y es que tengo tanto miedo de volverte a amar

Porque, siempre caigo rendida cuando tú me llamas
Porque, siempre a cada minuto te vuelvo a extrañar

Eres para mí desde que te vi
No te dejo de pensar
Y es que tengo tanto miedo, tengo tanto tanto miedo, de volverte a amar.

Alejandra Guzman - She rocks.

Wasted

Craziestbob

11-25-06, 13:47

Hi guys,

This is my first post, though probably not of any interest to most of you. I'm moving to Monterrey soon, I've seen action in China and Thailand but the Central American experience will be new (and more expensive) to me. I'm gonna try some of the strip clubs you guys recommend and even though the massage places are 2nd class I'm sure there's somewhere good about. I just wondered whether any of you have rented apartments and could point me in the right direction, am I being a bit deluded in believing I could get a sweet apartment with a hot tub and live in 'maid'? do any of you have that set up. Oh and surely there's loads of American girls etc in town studying etc, surely there's some freebies to be had? Hope to join you guys on the scene soon

Member #3453

11-25-06, 14:42

Don't misunderstand my emotional illusions...I fall for them only in the moment these days. I learned my lesson a long time ago with Cindy #1 at Pasarelas, just as you did with "D.".

There is no "hereafter" with respect to my liasons. As you say, if you fall for them for real, you are asking for pain and heartache, just setting yourself up for total and complete disappointment. But, I do enjoy falling for them in the moment. That's the ultimate GFE for me, and I dare say, I'm fortunate enough to have GFE's pretty consistently in MTY.

I too check my true emotions at the border. Well said indeed. Well, actually, if I'm coming to MTY by plane, I check my emotions, and my sentimentality, in Dallas or Houston, along with my baggage, and well, sometimes they get lost, and well, then it gets real ugly, a frightening thing. The girls need to really look out, USB running around MTY with no emotions...hahahaha!!! But Seriously...

Frankly, I think the girls are resolved to that same scenario also. I'm sure they've all been through the same roller coaster emotionally, and probably on a much more exaggerated scale than we. In order for them to survive in that business, with as much frequency of diverse male contact as they experience, they all have to have learned to turn it off and on at will.

But, I do look for a certain look in the eyes, certain body language, kissing, affectionate touches, etc...If they don't send me a signal or give me a sign, I usually don't bar fine them. There needs to be a "come-on" signal from them, or I'm usually skeptical that an actual bar fine will be satisfying for me.

The attraction in bar fining them to begin with is not only the sex, but the potential that a chemistry actually exists between us that, were the scenario different, were we to have met under different circumstances and actually dated legitimately, the potential for something more exists, even when we both know in reality under the circumstances of our meeting, and within the context of their professions, there is never going to be anything come of it. That makes for the best GFEs. But, perhaps that is more the skill of the girl at casting the illusion, and not necessarily the fact that the chemistry actual exists. But, it doesn't matter to me, the illusion that a chemistry exists is all that's necessary. But, they must be able to maintain the illusion or I lose interest.

And...you are sooooooooo right about the MTY pocket rocket, it's a total piece of shit. You must purchase the genuine article. But, I warn you, the girls will still break it, even though it's better made. The flaw in both models is in the bayonette type of connection where the two pieces fit together. But, the genuine pocket rocket is made slightly better at that conneciton than the MTY version. There is a precision fit there on both models, one that if not aligned properly will break the tab that is crucial to the connection.

I'm always torn about whether to let it out of my site when in the clubs because it will usually be broken within just a few short days. But, on the other hand, if you don't let them take it around the club, terrorizing all their little bar girl friends, you will miss out on all the fun. So, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. So, I have resolved myself to having an "original" for my "professional" use, and the MTY backup for distribution in the clubs. I can more afford to lose the MTY version than to lose the $28US original version.

Remember that gag item that is worn in the palm of your hand so that there is a huge vibration when you go to shake hands with someone. I was thinking that it might be a good substitute, at least economically, compared to taking the pocket rocket into the clubs. I'm going to see if I can find one somewhere and bring it to MTY for experimentation.

All my friends know I force-share.

I want to suggest an idea: SWING?

This has been the case with me and Mr. "L". Often, we pick 2 girls for take out knowing which girls is whose. For some odd reason, we almost always end up switching girls. Right in the middle of things, and as you recall Uno Bob dude, at the Casico, you liked my girl and I wanted your chica. Dang that girl is hot.

Take my "S", "P", "X", "J", "J", "M", "K", "G", "F" ... wow, so many. And I will take one of yours.

"S" girl will not notice anyone and will never give a GFE. Never. She is so cold hearted and will turn off instantly. After my experience with the "D" girl, I find it better not to have any emotional ties whatsoever. It is purely physical. She's usually in a bitchy mood but that does not bother me a bit. I know how to switch on her buttons and once she's on, hot damn, she is the sweetest thing. Time with her goes by so quickly that I always want more. However, and fortunately, she also knows to turn off once we're done. If she shows me any emotions, I will fall again and that would be the end of me.

In my last trip, she asked me to take her out. I told her I already had my fill with my "P" girl early in the day. We ended up upstairs. She got me hard and she says 'Look, you're hard, let's go' :). How sweet is that?

Take my Lady "J" from the "O" place. She is a perfect companion and she's always telling me how she 'loves' me. She tells me how she dreams of me, and she sleeps in the pajamas that I bought her. Sure. I love you too honey. Just as much as I will love the girls I will see once I am done with you. But I am beyond any emotions that I do not look for them and when they surface, I can not help but simply smile and say to myself 'Mentirosa', 'Tonterías'.

The girls are a drink. Once you down it, time for the next one. Nurse it like your diet Coke and when you finish it, ask for the bill and move on. Still, I remain fully respectful. I will never insult them or intentionally hurt anyone of them. They are very precious to someone else, if not to me. I will open doors for them and treat them as good as I possibly can. Never under pay them and occasionally tip them to their pleasure.

I love them but will not fall for them. EVER.

This is not the real me. I fall in love with every girl I meet. But in the clubs, I check my emotions at the border.

When are you coming back down? I am planning a 4th week of December trip. Will we see you?

Carlos and I went to the shop you mentioned and bought a pocket rocket. it was a hit at the clubs. The "A" girl at the Casino took it up with her on stage during the line up and was pocking all the girls on stage. What a sight. They pocked the waiters, the girls and even some of the customers. She put on the most angelic face and asked me if she could keep it. That face will make you want to take her home to mother. I enjoyed her while she begged but still said no. And then the girls at the "P" place broke it. Cheep garbage!

Wasted

Member #3453

11-25-06, 15:29

Guys, I was in the mall last night, Black Friday night, and there were so many really gorgeous young HOT girls walking around. They reminded me of our girls in the clubs, and in the various mongering venues throughout the world. There were so many of them that were unbelievably HOT!!!!!!!!!!

Once again, I would like to reiterate a truth in life that perhaps some have never really contemplated. Have you ever thought about how in the reality of life, the everyday amorous behavior and attitude of girls in general is simply not up to par with the hopes and expectations we have for our legitimate real girlfriends and wives. But, what lacks in real life, is truly attainable in the clubs.

I continue to marvel at the "truth" of those conclusions, to the point of continually re-hashing it over in my mind when I am in gawking at the hotties in the malls, in the clubs, watching a stripper on stage, in the privados (VIP's) as they grind on my lap, when I see a really gorgeous model on TV, when I see some of those Victorias Secrets commercials air on TV, etc...

I'm always comforted at the prospect of knowing that I can actually have that in MTY, and not only can I have that in MTY, I can have that under my terms and conditions, under my control, and I can have it my way, the way I want it to be. I can have it all...frequency, body type, attitude, big boobs, small boob, big booty, small booty, thin, thick, whatever I want, and the entire reason they exist is to perform as we desire them to perform. And, the profound realization is...that circumstance is nothing like real life.

You see, that's the beauty of it. In real life, it's too much a balance of what "She" likes and wants, and it should be. But, for us, it's usually not enough of what we like and want, not with respect to frequency, not with respect to affection, not with respect to kinds of sex, not with respect to our own base desires, not with respect to imagination, not with respect to variety, not with respect to when, where, why, and how we want them...not according to our every whim, which is our natural desire, a desire that is seldom fulfilled in real life.

That is the difference between marrying one of them, or having them as a steady legitimate girlfriend, and having them the way we have them in MTY. Whenever you hear the reason asked, primarily by some feminazi female interviewer, why a man would ever choose to visit a prostitute. This is the perfect answer.

You can NEVER experience with repetitive frequency, in true life, the brand of sexual fulfilliment that you can routinely experience in the clubs and on salida that you can experience with a pro. Even if you are fortunate enough to marry the most beautiful of the lot of legitimate devas, and to have them at your raunchy, decadent disposal 24 hours as day, you will NEVER, EVER experience the level of debauchery that you can enjoy within the confines of the experience we routinely find in our mongering destinations.

Think of it...you can have the HOTTEST girl of your dreams, the same brand of young HOT girls walking the malls. That realization struck me last night. I can have a surrogate in any of those girls I saw in the mall last night, all easily within the selection of girls we have available to us in MTY. That is a really profound realization.

I am always comforted knowing that I have experienced all of them through a MTY surrogate. I can't imagine what life would be like NOT to be able to take one of those kinds of girls on salida ever again.

You should have seen all those unbelievable Devas walking the mall. It was absolute torture. But, I was comforted knowing that I will be back in my home away from home in just a few days, and it was also very comforting to remember that I have had each and every one of them in a surrogate Mexicana, Philipina, Indo-ina, Thai-ina, Columbiana, the list is almost endless.

It is wonderfully comforting to realize that, probably for the rest of my lifetime, the spicket of supply will never be shut off in a venue so close as MTY, that the supply will continue to filter into MTY as the generations change, and that an endless re-supply of mall walking hotty surrogates will be available, fresh meat for the taking. Just think of it...

MonterreyDude

11-25-06, 19:46

UB says: "Carlos always reminds me when I notice a particularly HOT girl, suggesting to him that I might want to take her on salida, buy her a drink, etc...that I am choosing girls that are either out of my league, too attractive, vestal virgin teasers, etc...What he is trying to explain is that sometimes girls that might have only nice attributes, but not the ones that are perhaps the HOTTEST of the lot, are the best girls for salidas.
After years are testing the theory, I tend to agree with him."

Finally, the light shines on him!!!
Just kidding... I suddenly realize that am going to have to hide my "gorditas" from you!!!

MonterreyDude

11-25-06, 23:30

Crazy, you are really new to the area.
And yes, like you, we are also distant to the Central American experience, since we Mexicans proudly consider ourselves part of North America.
(This is only a pointer, so you won't go around here mentioning Mexico as CA).
Being that, you'll be surprised price-wise. Compared to SEA or mainland China you'll realize that Mexico is expensive.
Less than half the norm of the USA... roughly speaking that is like 100 dlls average give or take a few, not considering conditions or prices or extras, etc.
Why? We've come to a conclusion in other forums and here too, that Mexico is not as screwed up as SEA and some of the Central and South American countries.
Mexico as a country is far better than many in Latin America. Specially Monterry as a city... you'll see.
And yes, you are really being too deluded.
You will not be able to get an apartment with a live in 'maid'.
Average apartment on a good part of the city goes for 600 dlls, just rent, imagine a live-in that charges 100 dlls an hour.
When will you be coming down to Monterrey?
You really need a lot of info on our city.

Hi guys,

This is my first post, though probably not of any interest to most of you. I'm moving to Monterrey soon, I've seen action in China and Thailand but the Central American experience will be new (and more expensive) to me. I'm gonna try some of the strip clubs you guys recommend and even though the massage places are 2nd class I'm sure there's somewhere good about. I just wondered whether any of you have rented apartments and could point me in the right direction, am I being a bit deluded in believing I could get a sweet apartment with a hot tub and live in 'maid'? do any of you have that set up. Oh and surely there's loads of American girls etc in town studying etc, surely there's some freebies to be had? Hope to join you guys on the scene soon

Member #3453

11-26-06, 04:28

Hi Crazy,

It may also surprise you that MTY will get rather chilly this time of year, so the hot tub idea might be much more appropriate in the spring months. It gets very, very, hot in the summer months, so perhaps a hot tub would just add fuel to the fire. On the other hand, with the relatively warm weather in MTY during fall and winter, a hot tub might be just fine.

There are few if any incidents of snow and ice in MTY, but the temperatures between now and February or March can dip into the upper 30's-lower 40's at night. So, it gets cooler than some might realize.

During the day, most of the year, it's pretty comfortable, and you can expect relatively cool weather for only about a 6-8 week period during the day. I'm sure most of the locals in MTY consider their winter weather to be quite frigid. But, to those of us living in the Midwestern US, it is a comfortable reprieve from our extremely cold weather.

In comparison to SEA , SA, and CA, you will find the costs to be more expensive. It will cost you 1350-2000 pesos (between $135-$200US) for 2 hours of full service from a strip club girl, and that's in the privacy of your hotel or apartment. Compared to Costa Rica for example, which will run you about $100-$200 for todo la noche from a strip club quality girl. Most girls from the Del Ray in San Jose will charge you around $100US for a couple of hours. But, if you know your way around San Jose, you can find strip club girls that will stay with you all night, through breakfast, for the same amount. So, comparatively, Costa Rica is cheaper. But, IMHO, the selection in MTY is unsurpassed compared to San Jose or even to Cartegena, Colombia.

I advise you to wisely restrict bringing any bar girls to your apartment. It's a major security and privacy risk, IMHO. It's not really a good idea bringing the girls back to where you live. What if you eventually find a real girlfriend in MTY? You don't want some strip club hooker showing up at your apartment if you plan to date legitimate girls. IMHO, a Gringo has a realistic shot at a legitimate girlfriend in MTY, provided he can speak some Spanish. So, my advice would be to wisely keep your strip club girl life seperate from your legitimate life.

My advice would be to rent a couple of hours at one of the downtown hotels if you pay for the strip club girls to go on salida. Some of the downtown hotels offer hourly rates. That's probably your best bet.

Hi guys,

This is my first post, though probably not of any interest to most of you. I'm moving to Monterrey soon, I've seen action in China and Thailand but the Central American experience will be new (and more expensive) to me. I'm gonna try some of the strip clubs you guys recommend and even though the massage places are 2nd class I'm sure there's somewhere good about. I just wondered whether any of you have rented apartments and could point me in the right direction, am I being a bit deluded in believing I could get a sweet apartment with a hot tub and live in 'maid'? do any of you have that set up. Oh and surely there's loads of American girls etc in town studying etc, surely there's some freebies to be had? Hope to join you guys on the scene soon

Lion Killer

11-28-06, 00:36

Hello my friends. I have just returned from my second trip to Curacao, check my reports there if your interested in reading the board and have any comments. I do relinquish that the masters of the board, Unospongebob and Carlos, are the best, with Wasted really coming a long way, and placing third, since we met the last time.

But, and there is always a but isn't there. As Wasted said we all have our own opinions, what you may like I do not and what I may think is a goddess maybe ugly to you.

My only comment is to you my friend USB (and I do consider you my friend) about San Jose Costa Rica, the Del Rey Hotel, Blue Marlin Bar. Having been a frequient visitor there I have to say that it is an even match to the ladies in Infinito at the very least.

In the defence of the Blue Marlin Bar at any given time there are at least twice the amount of girls available compared to Infinito. The cost is not $100.00 for 2 hours, its still $50.00. Allot of dumn ass Americans have tried to ruin it for us paying the higher cost, but if your a real monger you can still get it for the lower cost.

I still enjoy reading all the reports here from my friends and in the coming of the new year hope to meet up with you. Till then take care, wishing you all a Merry Christmas.

LK

El Cabron 007

11-28-06, 04:06

But I demand a re-count.

LK, read your private messages.

I just checked flights to San Jose. Yes, I am tempted. They are not too bad cost and time wise. I may plan a visit down there and will reach out to you for instructions.

But we still need to plan a group visit to MTY. We can do some real damage if all of us, Carlos (I wanna see her in the light), Uno Bob dude (Pockt Rocket Man), Mr. "L" (is this you Roxana?), Mr. "Sh", Porker, Happy George (one hell of a guy), and others I forget their names, crowded the bars down there. Can you imagine? Just watch us walk into the Prestige or Obsession or the lovely El Infi one night. I bet the girls and the waiters jaws will drop. haha. It would be one hell of a night for MTY and I predict Carlos will flee and would never want to associate with us ever again :)

Wasted

Hello my friends. I have just returned from my second trip to Curacao, check my reports there if your interested in reading the board and have any comments. I do relinquish that the masters of the board, Unospongebob and Carlos, are the best, with Wasted really coming a long way, and placing third, since we met the last time.

LK

Member #3453

11-28-06, 16:00

Guys, I wasted a lot of time yesterday getting into MTY, primarily due to what I consider a bait and switch tactic being employed by American Airlines.

Several weeks ago, I booked a flight to MTY and thought everything was as it has always been, never really realizing that instead of booking the flight directly from the Midwest into Dallas, assuming I was booking into DFW, expecting to connect to MTY at DFW and fly on to MTY. Unfortunately, I failed to notice when booking the flight into Dallas, that the airport code was DAL, not DFW, DAL being Love Field.

I had to take a $20 shuttle down to DFW from Love Field, about a 30 minute trip. Fortunately, I had plenty of time between flights, and I was not further inconvenienced with respect to having to kill myself to make it from DAL to DFW in sufficient time to catch my flight to MTY.

Ok, so, I can understand the argument that I should have noticed the difference in the airport codes, and that it is technically my fault for not having noticed this discrepency when I booked the flight.

I can accept that argument, except that with all other airlines, specifically Continental, they will usually disclose such a discrepency in big bold red letters as you are checking schedules and during confirmation of the booking, properly notifying you that you are scheduling yourself to fly out of an entirely different airport than where you arrived.

I expected the same kind of heads-up treatment from AA that I've routinely gotten from other airlines. So, the thought that they were connecting me to MTY from an entirely different airport never really crossed my mind. And, on the shuttle between DAL and DFW, there were several other passengers that had the same "surprise."

As I said, I know the oversite was mine, technically, but frankly, I think AA is baiting people into flying into DAL because it is cheaper for them to land there. I further believe that they are purposefully not notifying passengers in the hopes that we fools will overlook the fact that we're flying into a different airport than we assumed we would be flying into.

These tactics reminds me a lot of what the telephone companies do to bait and switch customers, and used car lots, and on and on...Frankly, business has NO ethics left IMHO, nor do they give a shit whether the customer is hassled by their tactics, nor do they even give a shit if they [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) you off over it.

Why is it that the other airlines make this kind of discrepency boldly obvious when you're booking the flight, and AA has chosen instead to obscure the fact by omitting obvious reference to such a discrepency.

It can be for no other reason than to scam the customer, or they are grossly incompetent with respect to customer service. Not that I am necessarily singing their praises, but Continental will be getting more of my business as a result.

Member #3453

11-28-06, 16:19

I wondered where you had disappeared to...Nice to see you back at the keyboard. Well, you are right about SJ with respect to the costs, but only if you are experienced. Fact is, not that I am touting my experience, but I was actually able to get one of the strippers at Cassablanca for the cost of a new cell phone, about $80, and she came to my room almost every night after work, no money.

Of course, I squeezed her big time, literally and figuratively. I mean, figuratively, I told her from the start that I had no money, and she just kept telling me it didn't matter. If she didn't get a bar fine for the night, she would show up at the Presidente, and we would spend all night together. Well, I did secure her breakfast in the Presidente restaurant in the mornings, so...

Anyway, she kept agreeing to see me for free, probably for the opportunity to get some kind of relatively decent regalo. But shit, she spent at least three nights with me for about $80. So, LK, you are correct. But, I also stand by my claim with respect to cost at the BM. There are a lot of guys in there that overpay the girls their asking price, and IMHO, the selection of girls are really no better than what I can find in all of MTY. However, with respect to what is available in El Infinito, I probably concur with that assessment.

What I mean is, the venue is MTY is a larger pool to draw upon. The city is 5 million people versus SJ, which is only a fraction of that. So, if you scour the city, MTY, you can find a statically better offering with respect to selection. Just my humble opionion...I would like to return to SJ to be proven wrong. Maybe I will revisit there sometime in the Spring. It is really just as easy to get to SJ as it is for me to get to MTY.

WastedG, you would be able to get to SJ with NO SWEAT from your home base. If I were you I would seriously consider it. But, keep in mind, the crime situation in SJ is a slight consideration, certainly more so than what we are able to get away with here in MTY. It's not too bad, but you do have to keep your eyes/ears open if you're meandering around in downtown SJ at night.

WastedG, I would love visiting all the clubs in MTY with such an gang of thugs such as yourselves. The jaws would drop in the clubs. This trip I have stocked up on Christmas presents for all the girls, adult novelties...etc...It should be fun, but I am on a limited budget and a shorter week here this time.

Today, Tuesday night actually, I am working on a potential bar fine after 11pm, so I have to see how that materializes. Wish me luck.

Hello my friends. I have just returned from my second trip to Curacao, check my reports there if your interested in reading the board and have any comments. I do relinquish that the masters of the board, Unospongebob and Carlos, are the best, with Wasted really coming a long way, and placing third, since we met the last time.

But, and there is always a but isn't there. As Wasted said we all have our own opinions, what you may like I do not and what I may think is a goddess maybe ugly to you.

My only comment is to you my friend USB (and I do consider you my friend) about San Jose Costa Rica, the Del Rey Hotel, Blue Marlin Bar. Having been a frequient visitor there I have to say that it is an even match to the ladies in Infinito at the very least.

In the defence of the Blue Marlin Bar at any given time there are at least twice the amount of girls available compared to Infinito. The cost is not $100.00 for 2 hours, its still $50.00. Allot of dumn ass Americans have tried to ruin it for us paying the higher cost, but if your a real monger you can still get it for the lower cost.

I still enjoy reading all the reports here from my friends and in the coming of the new year hope to meet up with you. Till then take care, wishing you all a Merry Christmas.

LK

MonterreyDude

11-28-06, 16:43

I've had quite a discussion at another forum (the one whose initials are CH) about this.
Guys over there keep complaining about such and such things that had never happened in the USA, "X" and "Y" services that now stink, etc etc.
One that caused a nice stir was 2 years ago, when I told them that people in the USA do not care about election fraud happening in your country.
I always tell them that it takes a Mexican to catch a Mexican.
I've noticed, and sorry about the bad news, that every time I look at the USA, the more it's starting to look like Mexico.
People do not care about corrupt politicians openly getting away with their swindiling (the one who started this was Clinton and the way people accepted his way of brushing of the Monica L. affair), people in credit debt up to their noses, businesses treating people like slaves (Wal-Mart, for instance).
Poverty, and I mean poverty as in miserable conditions is starting to be visible and can't be hidden as it used to.
And there is more to come folks....

Guys, I wasted a lot of time yesterday getting into MTY, primarily due to what I consider a bait and switch tactic being employed by American Airlines.

Several weeks ago, I booked a flight to MTY and thought everything was as it has always been, never really realizing that instead of booking the flight directly from the Midwest into Dallas, assuming I was booking into DFW, expecting to connect to MTY at DFW and fly on to MTY. Unfortunately, I failed to notice when booking the flight into Dallas, that the airport code was DAL, not DFW, DAL being Love Field.

I had to take a $20 shuttle down to DFW from Love Field, about a 30 minute trip. Fortunately, I had plenty of time between flights, and I was not further inconvenienced with respect to having to kill myself to make it from DAL to DFW in sufficient time to catch my flight to MTY.

Ok, so, I can understand the argument that I should have noticed the difference in the airport codes, and that it is technically my fault for not having noticed this discrepency when I booked the flight.

I can accept that argument, except that with all other airlines, specifically Continental, they will usually disclose such a discrepency in big bold red letters as you are checking schedules and during confirmation of the booking, properly notifying you that you are scheduling yourself to fly out of an entirely different airport than where you arrived.

I expected the same kind of heads-up treatment from AA that I've routinely gotten from other airlines. So, the thought that they were connecting me to MTY from an entirely different airport never really crossed my mind. And, on the shuttle between DAL and DFW, there were several other passengers that had the same "surprise."

As I said, I know the oversite was mine, technically, but frankly, I think AA is baiting people into flying into DAL because it is cheaper for them to land there. I further believe that they are purposefully not notifying passengers in the hopes that we fools will overlook the fact that we're flying into a different airport than we assumed we would be flying into.

These tactics reminds me a lot of what the telephone companies do to bait and switch customers, and used car lots, and on and on...Frankly, business has NO ethics left IMHO, nor do they give a shit whether the customer is hassled by their tactics, nor do they even give a shit if they [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) you off over it.

Why is it that the other airlines make this kind of discrepency boldly obvious when you're booking the flight, and AA has chosen instead to obscure the fact by omitting obvious reference to such a discrepency.

It can be for no other reason than to scam the customer, or they are grossly incompetent with respect to customer service. Not that I am necessarily singing their praises, but Continental will be getting more of my business as a result.

Member #3453

11-28-06, 20:10

I am sorry to have to admit it, but we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg, as the Industrial Manufacturing segment of the US economy all but disappears before our eyes. And, it isn't going to stop there, as the US corporations are beginning to outsource white collar jobs, accounting, engineering, etc...where they only have to pay an employee peanuts in comparison.

This is the outsourcing of our economy, and the greedy in US society condone it, and promote it, including our self serving politicians. They have forgotten about the American worker, and they have literally sold out the middle class. Just listen to Lou Dobbs if you want a snapshot of what is to come. I agree with his assessments with respect to our economy almost 100%.

As the outsourcing continues, the standard of living in the US will continue to decline. The only factor that's saved us to date is "technology," and our abuse of credit, which permits us to live a relatively decent life style in-spite of our vailed circumstances. They keep telling us how great our economy is on paper, but talk to the average worker, and you hear a totally different story. A story of workers having to work twice as hard at several jobs in order to earn what they earned before. The stats are also clear with respect to a huge reliance of credit cards and second mortgages to enable the middle class to exist as they once existed, not to mention the numbers of people that have no prevision for retirement after having already dipped into their nest eggs just to hold onto what they already have.

IMHO, the American middle class, which continues to dwindle into non-existence on a daily basis, is SLEEPING. Unless they wake up and hold the politicians responsible for exporting our jobs, giving away our technology to foreign countries, and putting their own self interests ahead of the people, I fear the worst.

That was my optomistic assessment, and I am basically a fiscally "conservative" thinking constituent, a little to the right of middle politically, and slightly left of middle on social issues. I am intimately involved in the manufacturing segment of the US economy. Take it from a self proclaimed quasi expert, we are headed into certain decline if it doesn't turn around.

Remember your basic economic college classes...

Rule #1, conversion of natural resources to goods IS the main way in which wealth is created. We are converting less and less as we sell out the American US worker to foreign interests. They all tell you the jobs we are giving away will be replaced with better ones. But, I believe the jobs that are replacing the well paying jobs are lower paying, and relatively stagnant opportunities in the service industry. We are no longer creating wealth in the US economy. We are living on barrowed money, which creates the illusion of affluence. Eventually the bubble will burst, and the realities will become quite apparent to everyone. But, unfortunately, by the time the public is aware of their demise, it will be too late.

If our corporations had not started giving away our technology forty years ago, by joint ventures with foreign governments, primarily in the automotive industry, they would not have a clue as to how to do shit, and the US would still have an edge economically in the world. As it stands now, we are giving our edge away in a World economy we created.

They, meaning foreign countries who formerly didn't know shit forty years ago, and had no hope of ever getting it together, now have the base from which to compete directly with the US in manufacturing almost anything. It happened first with Japan, a major competitor with the US Auto Industry, and it is starting all over again in China. The economy of the United States reflects favorably well statistically on paper, but the US worker is bearing the burden of affluence, which were it not for technology and the abuse of credit, would rest solely at the top.

Don't get me started...

My only hope is that if the US becomes economically more like Mexico, which I predict, we will not only get some of the economic woes, but we will each end up with a MTY in our back yards :-) (El Infinito, Matehuela, El Cielo, Amnesia, Poisson (but, cheaper), Obsession and Prestige buffet in the afternoon). That would make it all worth while, provided you don't have to rob a bank to pay for your respective salidas and privados.

I've had quite a discussion at another forum (the one whose initials are CH) about this.
Guys over there keep complaining about such and such things that had never happened in the USA, "X" and "Y" services that now stink, etc etc.
One that caused a nice stir was 2 years ago, when I told them that people in the USA do not care about election fraud happening in your country.
I always tell them that it takes a Mexican to catch a Mexican.
I've noticed, and sorry about the bad news, that every time I look at the USA, the more it's starting to look like Mexico.
People do not care about corrupt politicians openly getting away with their swindiling (the one who started this was Clinton and the way people accepted his way of brushing of the Monica L. affair), people in credit debt up to their noses, businesses treating people like slaves (Wal-Mart, for instance).
Poverty, and I mean poverty as in miserable conditions is starting to be visible and can't be hidden as it used to.
And there is more to come folks....