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Member #4243
12-25-11, 18:38
The hotel etap willich have very good budget rooms and a single taxi to vv from there is about 25 euros

Nille Copenhagen
12-25-11, 19:01
The hotel etap willich have very good budget rooms and a single taxi to vv from there is about 25 eurosNot a good deal! If you don't have a car, you'll end up spend min. 2x25€ for taxi + room.

Better book a local hotel at Grefrath from 50-60€ and stay longer in the club.

Breadman
12-26-11, 00:50
Monsieur, perhaps if you are tight with the money, then perhaps VV is not the place for you.

But if you can afford to rent the automobile then perhaps you can drive to cheap hotel.

Etap perhaps.If you paid attention you would have noticed that Nille was commenting on a guy who planned on using the trains to reach VV, thus I replied in kind as to the cost and the availability of the hotels 'nearby' for a train travelor to enjoy VV and or other clubs in the area. The discussion has nothing to do with my financial ability to rent a car, how tight I am with my money. Nor do I see what VV being the place or not being the place for me has to do with this discussion. Everybody says that weekends are the time to visit VV and I concur. The problem with grefrath is a severe lack of hotel rooms in the 35~50 range (what I consider reasonable). Id imagine if your planning a weekend visit and need a room, booking one might become difficult as the date approach's. There is a sports hotel in grefrath with 80 rooms but the lowest price looks to be 70 euros' and the reviews sound like its not worth half that amount.

Sahar
12-26-11, 02:02
But we cannot have it every way that we might want.

If he or you wants to travel by the train, you must open the wallet and pay for the hotel (good or bad) that is near to VV or pay for the taxi or pay to rent the automobile.

It is like this too at the Oase and the World. It is not a subject to discuss. It is the fact.

C'est la guerre as we say. The wallet must be opened.

Shark16
12-26-11, 12:40
It is like this too at the Oase and the World. It is not a subject to discuss. It is the fact.

C'est la guerre as we say. The wallet must be opened.I have absolutely no clue about VV, but your statement about Oase and World is false. They are both reachable by public transport and within walking distance of several hotels in the the 35- 50E range, if that is your thing. RTFF for info. No need to "open your wallet".

Sorry for being off-topic. But the reference to Oase and World was simply silly and needed a correction.

Sahar
12-26-11, 13:12
I have absolutely no clue about VV, but your statement about Oase and World is false. They are both reachable by public transport and within walking distance of several hotels in the the 35- 50E range, if that is your thing. RTFF for info. No need to "open your wallet".

Sorry for being off-topic. But the reference to Oase and World was simply silly and needed a correction.Monsieur, I say you are not correct.

The Oase and World is not reachable by public transport at 4 in morning at time of club close.

Shark16
12-26-11, 16:20
Monsieur, I say you are not correct.

The Oase and World is not reachable by public transport at 4 in morning at time of club close.Maybe that's why many stay in hotels for 35- 50E a night within walking distance (or a 5E taxi ride) from the clubs?

Anyways, any further discussion on this subject should be moved to the FAQ thread. Let's leave the VV thread to what it is meant to be.

Sahar
12-26-11, 16:30
Maybe that's why many stay in hotels for 35- 50E a night within walking distance (or a 5E taxi ride) from the clubs?The hotels, the hotels, the hotels!

Everyone that knows VV and this area knows there are no Etap or no Mercure or no Hilton or no Holiday Inn!

This is not the club to go to by public transport.

You must open the wallet and rent the automobile or pay for the taxi.

You must have the money.

This is not the good information about the club.

Talk about the ladies or the facilities!

Hotels, hotels, hotels!

Shark16
12-27-11, 12:18
The hotels, the hotels, the hotels!

Talk about the ladies or the facilities!

Hotels, hotels, hotels!Funny you would mention it. Who is your recommendations at VV really? Girls, I mean?

Nille Copenhagen
12-27-11, 15:18
Let's stop this silly discussion about hotel, taxi, cars.

The way I see it these are the options for VV.

- Have a car (maybe share it with someone) , stay where you find it cheap and good.

- Use public T. +Cab (about 15€ from the Kempen) , stay where you find it cheap and good. Local hotel might be overbooked in the weekends, if you are lucky you can get a room from about 60€/night.

- Stay at VV for 100€/night. Remember to book 2 days in advanced.

Either ways it costs money,

But for me what is more important than the money is the freedom (I can come and go as I please) plus.

Maximizing the time I can spend in the club with girls and the entertainment.

Big30
12-27-11, 20:22
I would like to visit VV. Is the club good, can I get there by Public transport, what about hotels close to VV (price & Distance info please!)?
Note, I like to travel by Stage Coach, what about the water and food supply for the horses in VV?

Thanks and waiting for a reply,

Big30.

(:.)

Nille Copenhagen
12-27-11, 20:43
I would like to visit VV. Is the club good, can I get there by Public transport, what about hotels close to VV (price & Distance info please!)?

Note, I like to travel by Stage Coach, what about the water and food supply for the horses in VV?

Thanks and waiting for a reply,

Big30.LOL, You know the drill.

I can get there by snow dogs?

Burma Jones
12-29-11, 17:22
Visited VV for the first time Saturday, Dec 10th. Early afternoon visit that started at 13:00 and ended around 18:00. I walked in, paid the fee, showered, and entered into a room full of boring. Nothing was happening. All the punters were napping or reading magazines on the couches and the girls were gathered around the TV watching an infomercial. There were several girls who I took an interest in, including one who looked almost exactly like Paris Hilton in the face. I sat at the non-smoking bar and ordered a water while surveying the options.

Decided it wasn't time to pull the pin just yet so got up to start exploring. Walked over to the other side of the house and saw 10-15 girls lounging in the smoke filled haze. I sat at that bar to see who was working and to ordered my second water. Carmen was sitting beside me and after some small talk asked if I would like to head upstairs. Very nice layout to the house with all the rooms reached through an otherwise normal looking door. Climbed the steps to the first room on the first level and was amazed by the space of the room. Very open with a window that faced the front of the house and the parking lot. After a 30 minute session that including BBBJ, cowgirl, and missionary, we headed back downstairs and I paid at the lockers.

It was time for a break so I took a 15 minute sauna session. Thought it was interesting that the barber shop faces the sauna and while the stylist was doing one of the girls hair, she has a straight shot at naked guys sweating. I was joined by two Asian guys who refused to remove their undershirts and underwear. Even in the sauna. After wards, they would take them off to shower but right back on they would go after the shower and before the robe.

The temperature was about 5 outside so while looking at the pool and noticing wet footprints from someone else who had taken the plunge, I decided it was too cold and returned to the non-smoking bar for another round of water. Carmen had returned from re-applying her make up and sat at the poker machine and proceeded to spend all the money I had just given her. She must have played for about 30 minutes. The bartender had switched the TV from the infomercial to Bundesliga so all the punters had gathered around the seats and were engrossed in the game highlights. All the girls were pacing back and forth trying to get attention but with no luck.

I decided to be different and turned my attention away from the TV and looked at the nice scenery outside. I imagine in the warm weather, it would be nice to lay out with the sun and pool but it was just too cold. Noticed a rabbit hoping across the back yard and pointed it out to the girl next to me. That was how I met Nicoletta. She said that she had was slightly ill and her hands were cold. She also laughed that I was facing the yard instead of watching TV. After a nice 20 minute conversation, we decided to try our luck upstairs.

Once she retrieved a key, we headed through the door and up to the room in the back on the second level. This room was even larger that had a hallway that led to a room in the back that had a space heater running to warm the room. She excused herself to the toilet in the room and I waited, and waited. She must have been in there about 5 minutes. We synchronized our watches and started on a 30 minute session. She started a nice BBBJ then I had her roll over for some DATY. She tapped my shoulder at the 20 minute mark and asked if I would like to stop and switch to sex so that we could finish in 30. I said no, things were going well, lets change to an hour and see if I could get her to orgasm. She said it would take a while so I knew I had a challenge on my hands. About 15 minutes later, she flexed her thighs around my head cutting off my breathing while gasping for air. We started in cowgirl and ended our session in missionary.

I paid her at the locker and returned to the non-smoking bar for another water. The games on TV were over so most of the punters had retired to the couches for some eyeball resting. I noticed more and more girls coming in and realized there must be a shift change because the bartender was cleaning up in preparation for leaving. I was joined by a girl from Romania (can't remember her name). Very nice and sweet with an English accent that I first confused as being British. She asked my name and we bonded very quickly. I told her I had just finished an hour session and was in the stages of composing myself so I could leave. She didn't leave but continued a very nice conversation. We compared the personalities of the different nationalities of guys with her and I asked if she ever viewed any of the guys as more than just customers. She said that it was all business because any guy who would go to an FKK or sauna club would eventually cheat. I thought it was an interesting point of view. She headed off to start her shift and I headed towards the door out into the brisk air.

Sahar
12-29-11, 18:55
I am an Eskimo from Alaska (USA). I plan to visit Germany and the FKKs for a few days (about a week) every year.Superbe Monsieur Noddy. I laugh long and loud. I hope you find this igloo.

Nille Copenhagen
12-29-11, 23:22
My question is; Does anyone know of any reasonably priced igloos for an Eskimo to stay in?

Please note that the igloo must be no more than 10 minutes walk from VV as I cannot afford to pay for a taxi!If this Winter would be like last year you can build your own igloo on the fields around VV, Your dick would freeze like hell.

In the Summertime bring your tent and make camp on the fields around VV or at the Grefrath airport.

Then you can stay close to VV and it's supposed to be free of change.

Nille Copenhagen
12-29-11, 23:30
Visited VV for the first time Saturday, Dec 10th. Early afternoon visit that started at 13:00 and ended around 18:00.

We compared the personalities of the different nationalities of guys with her and I asked if she ever viewed any of the guys as more than just customers. She said that it was all business because any guy who would go to an FKK or sauna club would eventually cheat. I thought it was an interesting point of view. She headed off to start her shift and I headed towards the door out into the brisk air.Nice report.

The best girls came in the evening shift. You probably miss them.

Yes she is right, all guys that do mongering would cheat at some point. And WGs would also cheat as well, LOL.

She knows the game and the rules, but if you visit her regularly she might change her view (any name and nationality?).

Henio
12-30-11, 00:52
I am an Eskimo from Alaska (USA). I plan to visit Germany and the FKKs for a few days (about a week) every year.

When not hunting for seals and penguins or on vacation in Germany, I will spend the rest of my time asking questions on this forum.Dude, I feel for you. That is one helluva long hunting trip for you to get to the penguins.

Big30
12-30-11, 01:35
I am an Eskimo from Alaska (USA). I plan to visit Germany and the FKKs for a few days (about a week) every year.

Regards.

Noddy the Eskimo Hi Noddy,

I appreciate your serious question. Can imagine very well you want to know some details. Close to every sauna or FKK club you always find some Iglo's. Actually I live in an Iglo myself, it is a Sauna proof Iglo, German design (they are clever there). But being an Eskimo better you do not visit VV, many Icebears live there. You cannot trust Icebears and they are always hungry, you get the point I guess. You can rent If you want a sled and Huskies at the Real in Willich or the Aldi in Grefrath. Dogfood will not be much of a problem, they serve it in VV, all the Icebears eat it in VV so it is good food.

If you have any questions left, feel free to contact me by I'm. But now I must first hunt some penguins, I am hungry.

B30

Hannibal Barca
12-30-11, 07:09
I would like to visit VV. Is the club good, can I get there by Public transport, what about hotels close to VV (price & Distance info please!)?

Note, I like to travel by Stage Coach, what about the water and food supply for the horses in VV?

Thanks and waiting for a reply,

Big30.

(:.) There are fields outside the confines of VV where you can find feed for your bullocks or horses that pull your wagon. VV has a swimming pool where if you ask nicely you may have VV mgmt allow you to water your livestock.

Parking of your wagon can be in the parking lot along with the other horseless carriages.

You should be fine.

May the Pax Romana be with you against those Dacian hordes.

Member #4243
12-30-11, 20:43
First of all a big welcome to the recent inuits who have recently joined our online gathering here. I have much in common as I tend to hibernate all year round too however unlike our snowy friends I actually come out of hibernation bi annually to go on the hunt. I too

look for all ways to save pennies on non essentials such as food and dwelling and am considering bringing a packed lunch should I make it to vv this early spring and asking for a discount upon entrance promising not to eat at the vv canteen and to promptly show my

packed lunch as proof of self sufficiency which was of course learnt out in the wilderness.

Anyway on a serious point members I could really do with some help here. Vv is well known for its weekend parties with great atmosphere and lineup and captain dans report has really inspired me to make the trip and book a hotel in grefrath. The villa itself looks swish

and all feedback seems to be positive about party weekends. However there is one sticking point I cannot get out of my head. The vast majority of mongers experiencing fkk land explain that the naked female form widely on display is one of the key factors that

makes the german experience so unique in the world. Now I do realise vv has a got a great weekend lineup but it is very difficult to try and visualise the club and atmosphere within if you have never been there. I think its one of those you don't know till you get there

things. I have known of many members who try to avoid lingerie / dessous tag days but I have never heard of anyone applying this to vv at the weekend. This has led me to believe that there must be a magic factor at play at vv at weekends

as there are girls in minidresses / scantily dressed but I have never heard of anyone trying to avoid vv on these days but in fact the contrary. Can someone explain to me what this missing factor is that occurs at vv on weekends that I am missing and finally can someone

tell me why someone such as myself should visit vv party nights when I could be in another fkk surrounded by naked girls? I am looking into different combinations for my next trip by train.

Nille Copenhagen
12-31-11, 00:13
Can someone explain to me what this missing factor is that occurs at vv on weekends that I am missing and finally can someone tell me why someone such as myself should visit vv party nights when I could be in another fkk surrounded by naked girls? I am looking into different combinations for my next trip by train.Mohab you miss the picture here, VV is a saunaclub (like other NRW clubs except Bernds) not a FKK, that means the girls are not running around naked! So take it or leave it. Party Nights at World or Samya also good. If you like Party Nights try out VV, you might like it you might not, lot's of loud DJ music and lots of smoke (also pot) , waiting for rooms.

The dress code for guys on party nights at VV, robe or street wear. I usually to change to my normal clothes at party nights simple because it easier to dance with girls. The girls wear sexy dresses.

Creature2
01-02-12, 10:28
tell me why someone such as myself should visit vv party nights when I could be in another fkk surrounded by naked girls? I am looking into different combinations for my next trip by train.Mohab,

Thanks for feedback,

Most of big clubs of NRW are Sauna Clubs (including GT, LR, Samya, PHG, PSR, VV, ACA) , that means the girls have either lingerie, swim suit or sexy dresses or such kinda dress 7 days a week. Only Dolce Vita in this area has fully naked girls. And former Planet (Duren) had this dress code but nowadays, under the new management, they also do FKK days only 2 days a week, the rest of the week, the girls are with lingerie.

If you want to check the girls fully nude (which I also prefer) , then you have to stick with the Hessen clubs, but not the NRW.

Hannibal Barca
01-03-12, 02:27
and all feedback seems to be positive about party weekends. However there is one sticking point I cannot get out of my head. The vast majority of mongers experiencing fkk land explain that the naked female form widely on display is one of the key factors that makes the german experience so unique in the world. Now I do realise vv has a got a great weekend lineup but it is very difficult to try and visualise the club and atmosphere within if you have never been there. I think its one of those you don't know till you get there things. I have known of many members who try to avoid lingerie / dessous tag days but I have never heard of anyone applying this to vv at the weekend. This has led me to believe that there must be a magic factor at play at vv at weekends as there are girls in minidresses / scantily dressed but I have never heard of anyone trying to avoid vv on these days but in fact the contrary. Can someone explain to me what this missing factor is that occurs at vv on weekends that I am missing and finally can someone tell me why someone such as myself should visit vv party nights when I could be in another fkk surrounded by naked girls? I am looking into different combinations for my next trip by train.Ave Mohab,

The dressed girls in places like Golden Time, Villa Vertigo and Samya are a different experience to the naked girls you get in the more familiar to you Frankfurt FKKs. I find both situations stimulating in their own ways.

I like the special atmosphere that VV can produce on a Friday or Saturday with the girls partying and the citizen guests enjoying the vibe and getting in on the dance club theme. It will not be a Roman orgy alas but you get the idea. Sometimes you do not get that same party feel at Oase or Sharks or Mainhattan or even Palace. I do find that you can get it at World in my experience.

The girls will be in not much clothing, think tiny pieces of black lingerie or skimpy dresses that the girl will be happy to take off for you when booked. Some girls will be topless and I like that in a girl. VV can be that beach party or dance party that you wished would always happen when you were at school.

Even on the slower Sunday I find that in the later hours that it can ratchet up a bit. I have keen memories of one Sunday in September in 2011 watching a guest from I believe who hailed from maybe Mauretania (either Tingitana or Caesariensis) or maybe even Numidia or the land of Egyptus that danced energetically on the pole to some tunes that would not be out of place in the Super clubs of Ibiza in the Baelaric Islands. There was a wide circle of citizens, freedmen and working girls watching in awe at his skill on the pole. I then watched enchanted as a favoured blond jezebel from the province of Dacia that I had bedded that evening strutt her stuff with that lucky man from the continent of Africa. I wished that I had rhythm. I just sat on my bar stool at the bar with little dark haried Corina from Dacia in my arms. Magic moments.

VV is an experience.

As for preferring dress over nudity, I do prefer the nudity similar to Creature2 but the NRW clubs are just different to me. You stilll are there for paid for sex but the atmosphere and price structure is different. There are a lot of pretty girls in those NRW clubs and it is fun comparing the beauty quotient from club to club to club.

Ciao,

Jymondor
01-03-12, 04:43
Ave Mohab,

The dressed girls in places like Golden Time, Villa Vertigo and Samya are a different experience to the naked girls you get in the more familiar to you Frankfurt FKKs. I find both situations stimulating in their own ways.Let me joint this discussion by quoting my earlier post.


3. Michaela. Fake blond Romanian. Very beautiful face. She was in tight sexy black dress. I approached her because her face and smile. She was very good talker. I bought her whyskey-cola as she asked for. In a room I get some disappointment. Her body was far not as good as face. I assume that her bra was with some sort of support and dress made with very elastic material, that kept her belly in the shape. Under the normal light (not red light in the party room) her teeth where a bit yellow. She took me to the room with shower upstairs, and told me that her shower time is not count. Excellent session. Passionate DFK, good BBBJ, intensive sex. No regrets, unless I could spend that session with the better looking girl. That's why I like full nude FKK better. Full nudity eliminates mistakes as I made this time.This is other side of lingerie type clubs.

Nille Copenhagen
01-03-12, 11:16
Let me joint this discussion by quoting my earlier post.

This is other side of lingerie type clubs.If the girl with a stunning looking body and she provides really bad service, would that be a bigger mistake?

Well with a trained eye you could spot the girls body even with lingerie on.

Well, I find the girls more sexy with lingerie, you can unwrap later, just like Christmas presents.

Fully nude girls are gorgeous sexy as well, but after a few hours in the club you get used to it.

Breadman
01-03-12, 22:09
Well with a trained eye you could spot the girls body even with lingerie on.Sometimes even the well trained eye gets deceived. Its hard to spot stretch marks if the girl is wearing something to cover her stomach, a dress for example. The girl has a nice set of tits but when the bra comes off they head south.


If the girl with a stunning looking body and she provides really bad service, would that be a bigger mistake?Doing a '10' with a stunning body who gives really bad service or doing a '6' where the dress comes off and she's got saggy tits, stretch marks and gives really bad service? I'll take the '10' anyday.

Nille Copenhagen
01-03-12, 22:33
Sometimes even the well trained eye gets deceived. Its hard to spot stretch marks if the girl is wearing something to cover her stomach, a dress for example. The girl has a nice set of tits but when the bra comes off they head south.So True, but the girls know their weaknesses and will cover up their weaknesses. You might be able to spot this, I admit is not easy.

For example there was a Polish girl Mariana at VV sometimes ago, she was pretty but she was always wearing some loose dresses even in the Summertime at the pool where other girls wore bikinis or were topless. I've talk to her a few times but I decided not to take her to the room as I was in doubt of her body (she was not fat, but she might cover up something.)


Doing a '10' with a stunning body who gives really bad service or doing a '6' where the dress comes off and she's got saggy tits, stretch marks and gives really bad service? I'll take the '10' anyday.I totally agree!

In Jymondor example he mentioned Michaela as an excellent session even the she body was not like a model.

Sahar
01-05-12, 14:14
Nille you gives the good information always but this discussion is not the good information about VV.

Most ladies in most NRW clubs (GT LR PHG ACA etc.) are no nude.

Then this discussion should be in the GENERAL INFO.

Merci

Nille Copenhagen
01-06-12, 11:59
Nille you gives the good information always but this discussion is not the good information about VV.

Most ladies in most NRW clubs (GT LR PHG ACA etc.) are no nude.

Then this discussion should be in the GENERAL INFO.

MerciWell I didn't start the Nude / Not nude discussion it was a question from Mohab.

Most of us know the NRW clubs except Bernds are saunaclubs.

But it happens that a few girls at GT, LR, Samya and VV (mostly in the Summertime) are walking around nude or least topless, I remember Sabrina from LR always said hallo to me by putting her big natural breasts in my face while I'm sitting in the couch, nice.

Merci bien

Sahar
01-07-12, 02:03
Well I didn't start the Nude / Not nude discussion it was a question from Mohab.

Most of us know the NRW clubs except Bernds are saunaclubs.

But it happens that a few girls at GT, LR, Samya and VV (mostly in the Summertime) are walking around nude or least topless, I remember Sabrina from LR always said hallo to me by putting her big natural breasts in my face while I'm sitting in the couch, nice.

Merci bienI think Monsieur Mohab asks the many questions.

And yes I know well you did not start the Nude / Not Nude chat.

You are a true fellow good Nille.

Any who know VV (like you and me) know that most ladys are nearly nude.

The ladys wear the bottom of bikini only (no top) or the expensive lingerie (bra and panties, some with corset or bustier) and are nearly nude as good as.

Nothing is left with the imagination.

Even at party nights only a little few (but a handful) out of 50 to 60 ladys wear the skimpy dresses.

You and I know VV good Nille.

Only those that do not know VV will say some thing else.

You know that I write with the truth but perhaps with not the most good english.

For this I apologise. I try to explain. The english not my first language.

Merci

Capt Dan
01-08-12, 03:00
Visited VV for the first time Saturday, Dec 10th.I have been away from this board for well over a week or more and was anxious to hear of any news from one of my most favourite clubs (IVilla Vertigo). There was unfortunately very little good information to be found :( However after reading all the chit chat about hotels and igloos and NRW hooker dress code, I came accross this gem of a report by Burma Jones which I have put in the Reports of Distinction thread. Well done and thanks Burma Jones. Great to read something from a guy who has actually recently visited VV. Hope you will report again!

CD

Nille Copenhagen
01-08-12, 16:09
FYI:

Saturday. 14. 01. 2011

Villa Vertigo celebrates with birthday-party.

Enjoy

Member #4243
01-10-12, 17:14
Having my flight booked now for my spring trip I am still facing the dillemna of whether to trade in a weekend at the famous oase and its naked beauties for the famous and rocking vv weekend party. Being in my early thirties I tend to prefer the babes in the 18-22 age range. One of the great things about oase is that I can just walk in and they are right there waiting for me. Pursuing them in the real world is becoming a bit trickier these days and time consuming and the natural non seedy atmosphere of german fkk's more than compensates for this. I have studied the girls blog for vv and rtff carefully and for some reason I have got it stuck in my head that most of the babes at vv are in the 25-30 age range. This is not based on any real solid evidence just an idea which has stuck in my head. Although the 25-30 babes are also stunning the 18-22 ones always reserve a special place in my heart. I think this is because they take me back to my younger days and I am also quite youthful by nature. Now back to vv I have no problem with the slightly older babes but have not seen much evidence for a substantial presence of the 18-22 girls. Could anyone help me and let me know if I would find a good number of 18-22 babes at vv parties. If the answer is yes to this then seeing them and joining them in dancingat the fri / sat party would surely be another big tick for the vv party against the oase personal debate I am having. It is a hard life surely when faced with such choices LOL. Mohab (palace has a block on under 21's is it the same at vv? for eg)

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Free Dude
01-10-12, 21:00
Just to add to this discussion. As said below, most NRW clubs have girls in bikini's with some being topless. There are more true FKK clubs besides Bernds though. Freude and Babylon are fully nude (Freude has dessous day on thursdays) and are both in NRW (Bochum and Cologne area respectfully). These clubs are also known for their very high service levels (thought I might mention this after reading the Acapulco thread).

FKK planet used to be all nude as well, but I belief it is being left to the girls nowadays.

Nille Copenhagen
01-10-12, 21:46
Having my flight booked now for my spring trip I am still facing the dillemna of whether to trade in a weekend at the famous oase and its naked beauties for the famous and rocking vv weekend party. Being in my early thirties I tend to prefer the babes in the 18-22My advice to you stick to Oase, you put too much expectation on VV and will be disappointing!

Girls at VV are in the range of 19/20-40+ you can never be sure which age group is coming for the party weekends.

You have 2 wings at VV the Disco / party area and the relax area.

The guests and the girls are spread over the 2 areas according their mood for party or not.

Breadman
01-10-12, 22:28
So True, but the girls know their weaknesses and will cover up their weaknesses. You might be able to spot this, I admit is not easy.I like to size up the girl before deciding to approach. If she has a nice body then on the approach I'm going to gauge her personality / attitude. If she sits for hours on end like some of the girls at GT or stays hidden in the blackness of dj room at VV it makes it that much harder. And any girl that comes up to you from behind and only lets you see her face is hiding something 95% of the time.


Could anyone help me and let me know if I would find a good number of 18-22 babes at vv parties. If the answer is yes to this then seeing them and joining them in dancing.

At the fri / sat party would surely be another big tick for the vv party against the oase personal debate I am having.I know the girls dance to songs they like but I never saw girls dancing with guys to pass the time. Then again it was summertime when I was there and half the action was outside by the pool.

Nille Copenhagen
01-10-12, 22:50
I know the girls dance to songs they like but I never saw girls dancing with guys to pass the time. Then again it was summertime when I was there and half the action was outside by the pool.Well the girls are not dancing with strangers, LOL, I'm just kidding, nah, we have danced with many of the girls,

Of cause it would be weird if you just jump in and dance with the girls, either we know them or know their friends.

Sahar
01-11-12, 00:37
I like to size up the girl before deciding to approach. If she sits for hours on end like some of the girls at GT or stays hidden in the blackness of dj room at VV it makes it that much harder. And any girl that comes up to you from behind and only lets you see her face is hiding something 95% of the time.

I know the girls dance to songs they like but I never saw girls dancing with guys to pass the time. Then again it was summertime when I was there and half the action was outside by the pool.Monsieur I do not think that you know this club so good. I thinks when you say the DJ room you are meaning the bar area in VV which has a pole for dancing and is very well lighted. The same as any bar.

The ladies they dance on the bar and with each other and also with the mens. If you is the visitor regular to VV and the ladies they know you they will definitely dance with you and will also dance for you.

Some ladies will do the strip for you.

Sahar
01-12-12, 00:41
Having my flight booked now for my spring trip I am still facing the dillemna of whether to trade in a weekend at the famous oase and its naked beauties for the famous and rocking vv weekend party.Monsieur Mohab.

You are not the adventurer certainly. You ask the many questions. Too many and this must not be good for you to visit VV. My advice is to stick with the situation for which you have familiarity. You should go to Oase because you may not cope with a different situation. No more questions if you please as to read this is not good.

Merci.

Ky Daddy
01-12-12, 07:51
Monsieur Mohab.

You are not the adventurer certainly. You ask the many questions. Too many and this must not be good for you to visit VV. My advice is to stick with the situation for which you have familiarity. You should go to Oase because you may not cope with a different situation. No more questions if you please as to read this is not good.

Merci.
Monsieur I do not think that you know this club so good. I thinks when you say the DJ room you are meaning the bar area in VV which has a pole for dancing and is very well lighted. The same as any bar.

The ladies they dance on the bar and with each other and also with the mens. If you is the visitor regular to VV and the ladies they know you they will definitely dance with you and will also dance for you.

Some ladies will do the strip for you.
I think Monsieur Mohab asks the many questions.

And yes I know well you did not start the Nude / Not Nude chat.Hey Sahar, what is your problem? When I first read your rude post to Mohab, I thought to myself that Mohab must have been repeatedly asking annoying questions. So I read the forum to see just what it was that Mohab said. And I see that it is actually you who is annoying and not Mohab. Mohab's one post question is simple and legitimate. Your reply to Breadman is also rather rude. I have just looked through your measly 18 posts and I have seen that not once have you actually provided a report. Not once. Instead, you primarily focus your posts on correcting other people and telling them that they ask too many questions. If you are such an expert, then I would be very interested in reading an actual report from you so that I, and everyone else, can benefit from the great amounts of wisdom and knowledge that you claim to have. I am anxiously looking forward to reading something from you that is actually informative and not critical of others Monsieur.

Sahar
01-12-12, 22:35
Hey Sahar, what is your problem? When I first read your rude post to Mohab, I thought to myself that Mohab must have been repeatedly asking annoying questions. So I read the forum to see just what it was that Mohab said. And I see that it is actually you who is annoying and not Mohab. Mohab's one post question is simple and legitimate. Your reply to Breadman is also rather rude. I have just looked through your measly 18 posts and I have seen that not once have you actually provided a report. Not once. Instead, you primarily focus your posts on correcting other people and telling them that they ask too many questions. If you are such an expert, then I would be very interested in reading an actual report from you so that I, and everyone else, can benefit from the great amounts of wisdom and knowledge that you claim to have. I am anxiously looking forward to reading something from you that is actually informative and not critical of others Monsieur.Monsieur.

You are not true. Maybe like me you don't read the english so good.

Mohab has asked many many many questions about VV and he ask questions in many of the forums (Germany, Morocco, Kiev, Japan).

His posts are there for all to read.

Check again.

Merci

Member #4243
01-14-12, 00:53
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3025-FKK-Acapulco-Velbert&p=1232764#post1232764 so im interested in whats going on in other parts of the world. lynch me LOL. At least I have reported on all the trips that I have done/this link proves that. Not once have I been rude or patronising in my manner to any member on this forum or elsewhere. not once, unlike some members!

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Ky Daddy
01-14-12, 08:54
Monsieur.

You are not true. Maybe like me you don't read the english so good.

Mohab has asked many many many questions about VV and he ask questions in many of the forums (Germany, Morocco, Kiev, Japan).

His posts are there for all to read.

Check again.

MerciOh, I am pretty sure that as a native speaker and and published author that I am fairly proficient in speaking, reading and writing English. As to Mohab's questions; I think that it is fairly common and OK for a person to ask questions about a place to which they have never been. This is especially true if they are from another area and are trying to plan a trip. Again, since it is my perception that you believe that it is your place to correct and criticize others, I ask that you prove me wrong by actually posting some informative reports.

Member #4243
01-14-12, 15:05
For monsieur sahar and others I offer a peace offering. I am truly sorry if my repetitive questioning has upset you or irritated you so much. I have only done seven trips to clubs in switzerland and germany and they are all reported on. Please gain some real satisfaction from knowing that the feedback to the questions I have been asking have enabled me to do 7 trips to dusseldorf / cologne / zurich / frankfurt. I AM TRULY GRATEFUL FOR ALL RESPONSES WITHOUT WHICH MY JOURNEYS FROM THE U K WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPOSSIBLE. And I mean that I would have never discovered the delights of fkk'ing without the help of members here. My friends have little idea of what I talk about when I discover and tell them about places like oase. ; they simply reply ok that sounds amazing but most of my friends here have not enough money to escape my home town let alone embark on adventures to foreign lands. For me this is quite an adventurous endevour researching new cities; booking hotels and the so on, so I may go over the top with the prechecks on here to make sure all is in place before I travel, but it has never been designed to get under anyone's skin. I also have never been rude to any member so I would ask you please monsieur sahar if you have a problem with any member including myself to please use a bit of tact or diplomacy in your manner; there is no excuse for rude or patronising exchanges especially when someone has neither been rude or similar in return. Finally some of my questions may seem irrelevant but a simple piece of info like knowing the spread of ages of girls in any particular club may mean the difference in deciding which airports in germany to fly in and out of as a consequence. I genuinely enjoy interacting on these forums; I do get a genuine buzz from discovering even the most trivial snippet of info about a particular club or region of germany but I will do my upmost best from now on not to ask any questions which truly do not deserve their place on the forum and I will report in full on my multiclub tour planned for the spring. I hope this is the end of this as I do need to remain in goodstanding here as the feedback here could mean the difference between a great trip to Germany or a wasted one. Thank you (and one day I DO plan to do Kiev, Tokyo and Rio LOL)

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Nille Copenhagen
01-14-12, 16:15
from knowing that the feedback to the questions I have been asking have enabled me to do 7 trips to dusseldorf / cologne / zurich / frankfurt.

Thankyou (and one day I DO plan to do Kiev, tokyo and Rio LOL) Hi Mohab,

In the beginning you seem to be a fairly young and fresh guy, curious to know about different places and of cause different girls around the world. I understand your curiosity.

You were asking lots of relevant questions before your planned trips, but as time goes by and you have been on many trips own your own, you should have gained more experiences to be able stand on your own feet.

I'm try to challenge you here, like other mongers we gain our experiences thru trial and errors.

Studying the ISG and asking advises from all the professors here in all the forums: FKK, Macau, Kiev, Brazil, Japan and so on,

Is just add-ons to your experiences.

Why don't you for a change go to a new club / place and report back the good and the bad experiences without asking any questions first, don't you want to be a young pioneer instead of being a follower.

Lately you have ask for funny things, like how is the background music like in Acapulco.

BTW:

Did you forgot to mention your trip to FKK Artemis / Berlin, and yet you asked newbie questions about if kissing is available at Artemis.

You have also been to FKK Palace right? And you asked if the girls provide GFE at Palace. It doesn't make

Sense to me.

Patient guys like Liljoey gave you tons of golden tips for your questions in the Kiev forum and you didn't want visit Kiev anyway,

You are wasting peoples time for helping and guiding you because you ask the similar questions for almost very continent.

Do you thing people would help you next time. (you know the Crying wolf story don't you?)

There is only 3 months until your trip I March right. I guess you be back for more questions soon.

Peace out. I hope you can take a hint.

Nille

Sahar
01-14-12, 19:33
Monsieurs it seems to me that this is not a place to report. It is a place to ask the very many questions about the €50 hotels and if there are many girls under 22 years or perhaps over 52 years. It is a place where Noddy the Eskimo reports and where others make the mischief and tell the lies about VV. The only people who have reported seriously are Nille Copenhagen, Burma Jones and Captain Dan. Everyone else either asks the questions or makes the mischief.

Monsieurs I will not waste the time which I own, in discussion with you about those who constantly ask the many questions and fill up the board with the rubbish. I will report when I am ready and where others report serious. I will not waste the time. Non.

Merci

Member #4243
01-14-12, 22:40
My trip to artemis in 2008 my first ever venture into fkk land. Things can change. Palace always seems to be a place where my euros seem to vanish very quickly more than in other clubs so I continue to debate whether or not to revisit. My last visit to palace was 2010. My first time mongering in germany was in 1997 when I was 22 at a club in frankfurt that was covered in large neon coloured lights. My links to Germany are not really relevant here. Point taken about the constant questioning.

Peace to all,

Mohab

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Nille Copenhagen
01-14-12, 23:14
My trip to artemis in 2008 my first ever venture into fkk land. Things can change. Palace always seems to be a place where my euros seem to vanish very quickly more than in other clubs so I continue to debate whether or not to revisit. My last visit to palace was.

2010. My first time mongering in germany was in 1997 when I was 22 at a club in frankfurt that was covered in large neon coloured lights. My links to germany are not really relevant here. Point taken about the constant questioning. Peace to all mohabWell, I've always have a good time with the girls at FKK Palace like many other senior mongers for the standard rate. YMMV.

I do once and a while end up in the room with a less good girl during a FKK trip, but WTF that is part of the game. Even with good girls things can change. One can have very good time with a girl but the next time it might be a different experience. You should be greatfull that those beautifull young girls let you fuck them. It's your money but it's their body and soul.

Sorry everydody for all the non VV-related discussions, I hope we can get back on track now. Tonight VV is having a big birthday party, I hope we can get some feedback on that.

NC

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01-15-12, 02:31
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Sahar
01-15-12, 04:06
Merci duchee, mucho saharo with the middle eastern handle and token french verbatom is more likely a disgruntled senior poster who doesn't have the balls to post his negative comments in person. I'm sure hanibal baraka will vouch for this doucheeebag.Monsieur you speak with foolishness and reveal the true colours. I hope the others will notice this and chastise you for not speaking with truth and for being much rude. Something is wrong here. There is much posting in this place with silly questions and not enough of the information. I thinks it is you Monsieur Breadman and Monsieur Mohab who are connected and create the mischief. Too many questions and much of the bad information. Prove wrong my theory and enough of this shit and nonsense. Enough of this. I have not the time. Let others see what I see. [Non-English text deleted by Admin]

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Member #4243
01-15-12, 13:23
I have already offered a peace offering and also to fine tune any further posting I make so that pointless questions are not filling the forum when more useful info could. Please rest assured I have no connection to monsieur breadman or any other member on this site.

I can however vouch for monsieur breadman as someone who has helped me when help was needed. I am 100% sure you are a good man sahar my instinct never lies! I propose from now on all members return to the matter of the vv party as I too am eager to hear about it as I have not yet decided whether or not to visit vv on fri / sat during my trip to germany in March.

Thank you.

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LilJoey
02-05-12, 12:12
To those who are impatient to only read the salacious details of fucking girls in the clubs, and place no value on the logistics of how best to accomplish that, please skip over this post. It is not for you. But it has its place on this thread, nevertheless.

Thanks to the advice received in response to my earlier queries, I have decided to visit Villa Vertigo. I will go there on Sunday, February 19. After looking at the options, and heeding the good advice I received (thank you) of keeping in mind the taxi cost to / from my hotel to the VV club, I have decided I will take a hotel in Kempen. [This is because I need to get to Weeze Airport the next day, Monday morning, and it is easiest to get the train to Weeze Airport from Kempen while staying at a hotel in easy walking distance to the Kempen train station. (I could do the same from a hotel near the further away Krefeld train station, but that increases my taxi cost to / from VV, so staying at a Kempen hotel seems best in that respect) ].

I wanted to minimize the amount of time spent traveling to VV because it closes at 1:00 AM on Sundays, and by my calculations I will only be able to get to the VV club on Sunday at approximately between 5:30 PM to 6:00 PM. I hope to arrive at Kempen bahnhoff station at 4:45 PM, check in to a nearby hotel, and get a taxi over to VV.

QUESTION 1: Is there anything "fun" to do in the area after the 1:00 AM closing time at VV on Sunday, other than just go to sleep?

QUESTION 2: Have I overlooked another travel option in my logistics (see below)?

LOGISTICS:

Trains and Taxis

My flight arrives Dortmund Airport (DTM) at 2:15 PM. Using the bahn. De website, I can see that the soonest I can get from Dortmund Airport to the bahnhoff station at Kempen (Neiderrhein) would be 4:45 PM. (Although it is unlikely that I will be able to catch the 2:30 PM bus from the Dortmund airport to Dortmund Hbf, because it is too soon after my 2:15pm flight arrival, I might be able to get through customs and border gates in enough time to jump in a taxi from the Dortmund Airport to the Dortmund Hbf for around 17 Euro, and still get to the Hbf in time to catch the same 3:21 PM train from Dortmund Hbf to Kempen, which the 2:30pm bus connects with. If I miss these connections, it means another hour, and then I will first get to Kempen at 5:45 PM.)

Car Rentals: Have I overlooked any car rental opportunities that are more economical?

I did consider the alternative of car rental, as highly recommended on this thread, but for some reason after inquiry with Sixt and Budget, I found that renting a car at Dortmund Airport with an automatic transmission (which unfortunately I need) and a GPS, for a one day rental, to be returned at Weeze Airport, would cost around $200after including insurance and other additions, so I didn't feel it was worth it for a one day rental. Also, I estimated that by renting a car, I would only arrive in Kempen 45 minutes earlier than traveling by train, which was not a good enough time savings to justify such a large extra expense. (Arriving on a 2:15pm flight, I might be able to complete the process of renting a car and get on the road by 3:00 PM to drive to Kempen (about an hour away from Dortmund airport) to arrive there at around 4:00 PM. But that only saves me 45 minutes off the time I would arrive by train).

Any constructive comments or further advise and insight on these plans would be appreciated.

LJ

Capt Dan
02-05-12, 14:06
To those who are impatient to only read the salacious details of fucking girls in the clubs, and place no value on the logistics of how best to accomplish that, please skip over this post. It is not for you. But it has its place on this thread, nevertheless. Any constructive comments or further advise and insight on these plans would be appreciated. LJFirst off Liljoey I would say that Sunday is not the very best day to visit Villa Vertigo (particularly in Wintertime) when the club can be a lot quieter than on Friday or Saturday and also closes earlier at 1 am. A good combination for Sunday evening is GoldenTime and then on to LivingRoom which closes at 3 am. You normally receive discounted entry to LivingRoom after visiting GT. Of course you need an auto to make this journey and I do wonder where you get a €200 sum for one day auto rental! A small car (with auto transmission) can currently be rented from Sixt (off their website) , using the criteria you specify for €98. 98 (with €850 excess) or €119. 38 (with zero excess). Of course this cost can go up by €20 euros or so depending on whether or not you are prepared to pre-pay. You also need to add €7 for Sat Nav. You may (or may not) like Villa Vertigo on Sunday but I advise you to check out car rental costs more thoroughly! You appear to be way off the mark with $200. You may spend several hundred euro during your visit to VV and one wonders how much money you will save travelling by public transport. Certainly a lot more effort in my opinion. But your money and your choice. Good luck with the trip!

CD

LilJoey
02-05-12, 18:48
First off Liljoey I would say that Sunday is not the very best day to visit Villa Vertigo (particularly in Wintertime) when the club can be a lot quieter than on Friday or Saturday and also closes earlier at 1 am. A good combination for Sunday evening is GoldenTime And then on to LivingRoom Which closes at 3 am. You normally receive discounted entry to LivingRoom After visiting GT. Of course you need an auto to make this journey and I do wonder where you get a €200 sum for one day auto rental! A small car (with auto transmission) can currently be rented from Sixt (off their website) , using the criteria you specify for €98. 98 (with €850 excess) or €119. 38 (with zero excess). Of course this cost can go up by €20 euros or so depending on whether or not you are prepared to pre-pay. You also need to add €7 for Sat Nav. You may (or may not) like Villa Vertigo On Sunday but I advise you to check out car rental costs more thoroughly! You appear to be way off the mark with $200. You may spend several hundred euro during your visit to VV And one wonders how much money you will save travelling by public transport. Certainly a lot more effort in my opinion. But your money and your choice. Good luck with the trip!

CD Thank you, CD. I redid the search on the Sixt website and again the lowest priced vehicle with automatic transmission that was listed was a VW Passat CC Aut. with a rental price of $176 USD and after adding insurance and navigation came to a total of $245 USD, a ludicrous amount for a one day rental. Are you sure you saw an automatic transmission vehicle available at Dortmund Airport? Is there a way to search on the Sixt website so that it only brings up a list with automatic transmission vehicles?

I was told previously and realize that Sunday is not the best day to visit VV, but I chose to be in Kiev for Friday and Saturday nights for that weekend, so Sunday is all I have. I know it will be quieter at Villa Vertigo, but had decided on going there having gotten feedback on this thread that VV had the best line up.

I guess that question should be revisited more specifically for Sunday. Does everyone agree that on Sunday evening the line up would be better at Goldentime, or is opinion on it varied?

I had asked what there was to do in the area after 1:00 AM closing time. You answered, go to Living Room in Kaarst which is open until 3:00 AM. Is the line up in LR usually very good on a Sunday? At what time have you left Goldentime for the excursion to Living Room to make sense? And did you find that it was worth paying the additional entrance fee to go to Living Room? I suppose it could make sense to do the same concept if I went to VV first, and if it wasn't good, go to LR?

Thanks.

LJ

Capt Dan
02-05-12, 19:25
Liljoey glad to hear that you are reconsidering the auto rental option! Try the sixt.co.uk website. Enter your dates, and your pick up and drop off locations. Then select the VW Polo automobile (not my favourite auto but good enough for someone who wants to save on costs and only for one day). Enter to pay now and select the Loss Damage Waiver you want. Select the Navigation System and under Recommended Extras, select Automatic Shift. With €850 insurance excess, I am currently getting a price €94. 19. With any luck, you will probably get upgraded to a VW Passat anyway because few of the smaller cars will have auto shift or sat nav. Sixt are normally good at offering upgrades at least I have found them to be so, particularly in Germany.

Whether you go to VV or GT, you can always move on to LivingRoom in order to extend the evening festivities. The drive from VV or GT to LivingRoom takes approx 40 minutes (give or take a few minutes). I'm sure that experts will differ as to whether the VV or GT hooker line up is best. I have not visited VV or GT this side of New Years so cannot really advise. I will say that you will definitely have fun in whichever club you select. Both are excellent clubs and LR is always worth a visit. Of course the Sunday lineup in all these clubs will perhaps not equal what would be available on Friday or Saturday but I have never visited any of these clubs and left disappointed. I guess this depends on your expectations and how many hot hookers you need to be present in any of these clubs. I personally prefer the more upmarket (sophisticated!) environment which VV offers but if you want a more authentic FKK / Sauna club experience, perhaps GT is more the place to go. Best of luck with the trip!

CD

LilJoey
02-05-12, 20:05
Liljoey Glad to hear that you are reconsidering the auto rental option! Try the sixt. Co. Uk Website. Enter your dates, and your pick up and drop off locations. Then select the VW Polo automobile (not my favourite auto but good enough for someone who wants to save on costs and only for one day). Enter to pay now and select the Loss Damage Waiver you want. Select the Navigation System and under Recommended Extras, select Automatic Shift. With €850 insurance excess, I am currently getting a price €94. 19. With any luck, you will probably get upgraded to a VW Passat anyway because few of the smaller cars will have auto shift or sat nav. Sixt are normally good at offering upgrades at least I have found them to be so, particularly in Germany.

Whether you go to VV Or GT, you can always move on to LivingRoom In order to extend the evening festivities. The drive from VV Or GT To LivingRoom Takes approx 40 minutes (give or take a few minutes). I'm sure that experts will differ as to whether the VV Or GT Hooker line up is best. I have not visited VV Or GT This side of New Years so cannot really advise. I will say that you will definitely have fun in whichever club you select. Both are excellent clubs and LR Is always worth a visit. Of course the Sunday lineup in all these clubs will perhaps not equal what would be available on Friday or Saturday but I have never visited any of these clubs and left disappointed. I guess this depends on your expectations and how many hot hookers you need to be present in any of these clubs. I personally prefer the more upmarket (sophisticated!) environment which VV Offers but if you want a more authentic FKK / Sauna club experience, perhaps GT Is more the place to go. Best of luck with the trip!

CD CD, thank you for your excellent advice. Since I was sure I was screwing up the search somehow on the Sixt website, and I was getting search results on Orbitz and others showing lower rates even for Sixt, but I wasn't able to see for sure if they guaranteed an automatic transmission, I called the Sixt main number for bookings, and they offered a VW Passat CC for 107 Euro and a Mercedes C Class with automatic and navigation for 111 Euro. So I made a reservation. Since they have guaranteed an automatic with navigation, their representative said they would upgrade me to the next available vehicle that had those specs, if they didn't have a Mercedes C Class as guaranteed.

Since I will have a car, I can take a hotel anywhere, and no longer need to be near the train station in Kempen.

Now that with your help the car rental issue is settled, I will need to make a decision on which clubs are best to visit on a Sunday evening. Besides Living Room, are there any other suggestions for after 1:00am fun?

Free Dude
02-05-12, 20:27
I already posted this in the GT thread (but it hasn't shown up yet) , you can go to By Night in the evenings. The girls there often work in LR and GT as well, girls sometimes leave LR (maybe GT too) somewhere in the early evening to go to By Night: http://www.by-night.eu/.

Breadman
02-05-12, 22:34
Now that with your help the car rental issue is settled, I will need to make a decision on which clubs are best to visit on a Sunday evening. Besides Living Room, are there any other suggestions for after 1:00am fun?I'd suggest you check out Acapulco first, even though that would add some drive time to your schedule. Creature2 made a comment about Sunday's lineup in the Aca thread awhile back.

Now if your looking for fun after 1am then LR is about the only option. If you visit GT first, LR is only 25 euro's.

Capt Dan
02-06-12, 23:46
CD, thank you for your excellent advice. Since I was sure I was screwing up the search somehow on the Sixt website, and I was getting search results on Orbitz and others showing lower rates even for Sixt, but I wasn't able to see for sure if they guaranteed an automatic transmission, I called the Sixt main number for bookings, and they offered a VW Passat CC for 107 Euro and a Mercedes C Class with automatic and navigation for 111 Euro. So I made a reservation. Since they have guaranteed an automatic with navigation, their representative said they would upgrade me to the next available vehicle that had those specs, if they didn't have a Mercedes C Class as guaranteed.

Since I will have a car, I can take a hotel anywhere, and no longer need to be near the train station in Kempen.

Now that with your help the car rental issue is settled, I will need to make a decision on which clubs are best to visit on a Sunday evening. Besides Living Room, are there any other suggestions for after 1:00am fun?No problem Liljoey, if I were in your shoes, I'd go with the GT / LR combination on Sunday night, primarily because GT will have a very good hooker line-up and and you will get entry to LR for a reduced rate.

If you prefer a slightly more sophisticated ambiance consider VV instead of GT but you will not get the reduced entry to LR. Other clubs such as Planet, Planet Happy Garden or Acapulco are possibilities and indeed have their devotees, but in truth these clubs either have fantastic facilities and poor line-ups or poor facilities and good line-ups and therefore never completely reach a very good overall standard. Reviews also tend to be much more mixed in nature, although Acapulco does offer the benefit of a reduced half hour hooker f*ck rate (€40 per half hour). Good for anyone who is on a tight budget and not too concerned about facilities/ambiance. My own personal preference would be to visit VV but my advice to you is to go with the GT / LR combo on Sunday night. This is a tried and tested formula and guarantees (almost) a successful and most enjoyable evening. Best of luck.

CD

Nille Copenhagen
02-07-12, 05:02
No problem Liljoey, if I were in your shoes, I'd go with the GT / LR Combination on Sunday night, primarily because GT Will have a very good hooker line-up and and you will get entry to LR For a reduced rate.

If you prefer a slightly more sophisticated ambiance consider VV Instead of GT But you will not get the reduced entry to LR. Other clubs such as Planet, Planet Happy Garden Or Acapulco Are possibilities and indeed have their devotees, but in truth these clubs either have fantastic facilities and poor line-ups or poor facilities and good line-ups and therefore never completely reach a very good overall standard. Reviews also tend to be much more mixed in nature, although Acapulco does offer the benefit of a reduced half hour hooker f*ck rate (€40 per half hour). Good for anyone who is on a tight budget and not too concerned about facilities / ambiance. My own personal preference would be to visit VV But my advice to you Is to go with the GT / LR Combo on Sunday night. This is a tried and tested formula and guarantees (almost) a successful and most enjoyable evening. Best of luck.

CD I've enjoyed many Sundays at VV, and always have a great time with the girls. Yes the no. Of girls and guest are less than Fri-Sat.

But I enjoy the relax atmos. On a Sunday for longer pre-sessions and in-bed sessions. So If you find a few girls of your type then is Sundays is as good as it gets.

LilJoey
02-07-12, 16:51
No problem Liljoey, if I were in your shoes, I'd go with the GT / LR Combination on Sunday night, primarily because GT Will have a very good hooker line-up and and you will get entry to LR For a reduced rate.

If you prefer a slightly more sophisticated ambiance consider VV Instead of GT But you will not get the reduced entry to LR. Other clubs such as Planet, Planet Happy Garden Or Acapulco Are possibilities and indeed have their devotees, but in truth these clubs either have fantastic facilities and poor line-ups or poor facilities and good line-ups and therefore never completely reach a very good overall standard. Reviews also tend to be much more mixed in nature, although Acapulco does offer the benefit of a reduced half hour hooker f*ck rate (€40 per half hour). Good for anyone who is on a tight budget and not too concerned about facilities / ambiance. My own personal preference would be to visit VV But my advice to you Is to go with the GT / LR Combo on Sunday night. This is a tried and tested formula and guarantees (almost) a successful and most enjoyable evening. Best of luck.

CD
I've enjoyed many Sundays at VV, and always have a great time with the girls. Yes the no. Of girls and guest are less than Fri-Sat.

But I enjoy the relax atmos. On a Sunday for longer pre-sessions and in-bed sessions. So If you find a few girls of your type then is Sundays is as good as it gets.Thanks to all those who responded on this thread as well as the other threads with great, to the point, thoughtful and expert advice. Awesome demonstration of what this forum is capable of collectively. Very appreciated.

That's two above quoted opinions of very experienced NRW mongers who personally favor VV on a Sunday. To me it's pursuasive.

The small discount at LR if one goes to GT first is nice, but not a significant factor for me. Nor is the upscale ambience at VV. I've been going to Oase over Palace for a long time, even though the facilities are far nicer at Palace.

The factors that most concern me are (1) the hotness of the line up and likelihood of 9's and possibly 10's being in the club on a Sunday evening in sufficient numbers, and (2) whether there will be too large a crowd of other guys causing an inability to get to the hottest girls and secure a session in my few hours at the club, or to easily get into a room without too long waiting. Either of these two factors going awry would cause the experience to be a bummer.

The descriptions I've read in the NRW threads about hordes of Isberen descending on these clubs to drown the few hot girls there in gallons of Isberen semen was not inviting to me, and I stayed in the Frankfurt area for my past trips.

So I guess it's worth fine tuning your opinions with respect to the two factors I most cared about. Which is the preferred club (VV or GT) in terms of (1) the beauty and hotness of the Sunday night line up, and (2) the numbers of guys to girls ratio that might interfere with easy access to the hottest girls?

Also, is my understanding correct that the session prices at both VV and GT are the same for successive half hours? Is it 50 + 25 +25 + 25, or 50 + 25 + 50 + 25? Or does it depend on the club and is different at VV versus GT? Or does it depend on the girl and in either club some hot girls don't offer any successive half hour discounts and always want 50 + 50 etc? Or are slower Sundays different? I've seen HB's previous posts about rates sometime in the past (I forget which thread), but want to know if anything has changed over time if girls have gotten greedy.

My flight gets into Dortmund Airport at 2:15pm and after customs/border controls, car rental (and maybe hotel check in), I don't suppose I could get to either VV or GT much before 5pm on Sunday evening to begin the festivities. One advantage of attending VV is that on the way to LR at about 9:30 to 10pm, I could more easily check out the nearby By Night disco club and see if it's happening or interesting Sunday night (or would this be a waste and better get on to LR as a better option?).

LJ

Member #4243
02-07-12, 19:18
Hello,

Mohab here. My advise is to definitely skip the night and day nightclub and head straight for Living Room. Living Room constantly gets good feedback and is a famous Dusseldorf sauna club where girls are dresssed very skimply not full nude. The other disco nightclub is unheard of to most members and not worth the risk. However it may be a perfectly good venue I just wouldn't risk it when LR is available. Finally many thanks for all the info I gained on the Kiev forum. I could not tear myself away from my beloved fkk clubs which I shall be touring next month. I am however still in awe of the Rio beauties and am already looking into doing Kiev next September finances pending and once I have got the fkk thing done and dusted properly.

Enjoy Germany Mohab!

Capt Dan
02-07-12, 20:07
Thanks for the very kind words Liljoey :)

In answer to your questions:


The factors that most concern me are (1) the hotness of the line up and likelihood of 9's and possibly 10's being in the club on a Sunday evening in sufficient numbers, and (2) whether there will be too large a crowd of other guys causing an inability to get to the hottest girls and secure a session in my few hours at the club, or to easily get into a room without too long waiting.Nothing in life is certain and who knows what might happen with weather conditions which could effect the hooker count at either VV or GT on the Sunday of your intended visit.

In my opinion GT may have the slight edge over VV on the number of 9 or 10 rated hookers on any given Sunday but this must be balanced with the number of isberen who will be in attendance. GT can sometimes be busier than VV on Sundays despite VV's free Sunday entry for all those who visited during the week. Six of one or half a dozen of the other if you ask me. I prefer the ambiance of VV and would consequently tend towards this establishment but I also do not need dozens of 9 or 10 rated hookers to be in attendance either. Just as with Nille Copenhagen, there are usually a sufficient number of favourites at VV to keep me satisfied. My advice to you is to go with the GT / LR combination (forget about the disco!) as this will probably offer you a better selection of 9 or 10 type girls. But if you prefer a more relaxed pace, a very pleasant ambiance, plus a hint of the Friday / Saturday party atmosphere, then VV is the place to go!


Also, is my understanding correct that the session prices at both VV and GT are the same for successive half hours? Is it 50 + 25 +25 + 25, or 50 + 25 + 50 + 25? Or does it depend on the club and is different at VV versus GT? Or does it depend on the girl and in either club some hot girls don't offer any successive half hour discounts and always want 50 + 50 etc? Or are slower Sundays different? I've seen HB's previous posts about rates sometime in the past (I forget which thread), but want to know if anything has changed over time if girls have gotten greedy.IMO the 50 + 25 +25 + 25 rate is probably myth and it is the lucky gentleman indeed who can persuade a 9 or 10 rated hooker to f*ck for €50 euros per hour when a club is even just about reasonably busy! The 50+25+50+25 rate is more possible but is generally only offered to those who have established stamgast (regular customer) credentials. I know, I know, I know, this is supposed to be the standard rate at GT but it tends not to work out this way every time for even regulars and newbies have less of a chance! Expect to pay the €50 per half hour rate at either club. Of course it is definitely possible that you may manage to obtain the €75 per hour rate. In my experience this is more easily achieved by non-regular visitors in GT than in VV, but it all depends on how busy the club is and how attractive the hooker. As with many things in life, the laws of supply and demand tend to apply.

CD

Free Dude
02-07-12, 21:20
IMO the 50 + 25 +25 + 25 Rate is probably myth and it is the lucky gentleman indeed who can persuade a 9 or 10 rated hooker to f*ck for €50 euros per hour when a club is even just about reasonably busy! The 50+25+50+25 Rate is more possible but is generally only offered to those who have established stamgast (regular customer) credentials. I know, I know, I know, this is supposed to be the standard rate at GT But it tends not to work out this way every time for even regulars and newbies have less of a chance! Expect to pay the €50 per half hour rate at either club. Of course it is definitely possible that you may manage to obtain the €75 per hour rate. In my experience this is more easily achieved by non-regular visitors in GT Than in VV, but it all depends on how busy the club is and how attractive the hooker. As with many things in life, the laws of supply and demand tend to apply.

CDI think you might be right about 50-25-25-25, but I've never paid more than 75 an hour in either LR or GT. And I'm definitely not a stammgast. There are some girls who want 50 for each half an hour (especially in GT) , and if a girl has another guest lined up she might also want to keep it at only half an hour. But as far as I know that is still the minority. The 50-25-25-25 pricing might indeed happen 'only' with stammgasten, but I think many icebears keep to 75 an hour themsleves. Don't forget both clubs often have long waiting times, so if someone offers to session for 4 hours. That becomes an attractive idea when waiting times are over an hour.

Nille Copenhagen
02-07-12, 21:53
IMO the 50 + 25 +25 + 25 is mythWell YMMV, it works for me.

I been with many girls at VV, GT, LR that accept the price of 50+25+25+25, But I've also know girls that charge 50+25+50+25 and even 50+50+50. 50+25+50+25 is most common.

So it's up to you and your luck and skills. Recently at VV (a Sunday) I was with a 9, the first 1 hour she wanted 50+50 but then I could also use my vibrator on her (my new toys, quality stuff) we had so much fun that I went with her again later in the room for 3, 5H, I told her I had so much fun, that I don't want to fuck other girls, so I pre-booked her for the rest of the night. In the room we kissed, fucked, watched porn movie together on my laptop and played with each other. The Wifi also worked in the upstairs rooms, so she showed me the porn-sites that she watched and got turn on so she masturbated and sucked my dick, then I DATY her and fucked her.

I didn't count the hours we finish at closing time, she said she was happy with 150€ (I gave her 200€ for her real GFE she def. Earned it, she was happy and surprised) so that was a great Sunday. Don't ask me for her name, she is a keeper, I have more pleasure plans (toys) with her on my next visit.

Liljoey, I'll also put my money on GT+LR has more 8-9-10s on a Sunday, but you have to be fast to secure a nice girl as many Dutch guys are there in the weekends and around 10pm all the girls are gone / picked so it is like a gayclub, LOL.

The Dutch has an advantage they are living nearby and probably book their favorites via sms before hands, so for a newbie you might be out of luck to go with a 8-9-10, the trick is catch the girls even before they enter the main lounge if they are available.

I still prefer Sundays at VV. You can try VV and move on to GT or LR later if you don't like line-up of VV.

Samya has a fix 50+25+50+25 structure.

ACA has a fix 40+40+40+40 structure.

GT+LR+VV might be variable (house rules which are not very strict is 50+25) , if you don't like her price ask another girl, but ask her before hands to avoid misunderstanding. The girls can sense if you are new to the club or not, therefore they might try with 50+50

Big30
02-07-12, 21:54
Expect to pay the €50 per half hour rate at either club. Of course it is definitely possible that you may manage to obtain the €75 per hour rate. In my experience this is more easily achieved by non-regular visitors in GT than in VV, but it all depends on how busy the club is and how attractive the hooker. As with many things in life, the laws of supply and demand tend to apply.This is not true. In Gt, LR and PHG you can complain at the desk when a girl goes for the 50/50/50 rate, without informing you before entering the room. In VV this is not the case and on the German and Dutch boards you will find more reports about VV girls all asking the 50/50/50 rate.

50/25/25/25 was the NRW standard for many years, it is since I think 2008/2009 that you see a tendency that some girls start asking 50/25/50 or indeed even in some cases even 50/50/50. The majority of the GT. PHG and Lr girls still ask 50/25/25 this in contrast with VV.

Actually currently I would not go for a Sunday VV visit. The club has lost a lot of its charm since it openned januari 2008. Gt is still the benchmark in NRW, PHG is fully back in business (great party last Friday) and LR and VV both seem to lose some momentum.

Mon-thu VV is almost dead, less girls and guests. Fri/Sat if you are lucky it can be Ok although I am not much amused by some of the clientele in VV.

In 2008-2010 I was a BIG VV fan and was there almost every week, I hope the good times return since the facilities are really great. But great facilities do not make a club.

Nille Copenhagen
02-07-12, 22:59
This is not true. In Gt, LR and PHG you can complain at the desk when a girl goes for the 50/50/50 rate, without informing you before entering the room. In VV this is not the case and on the German and Dutch boards you will find more reports about VV girls all asking the 50/50/50 rate.

50/25/25/25 was the NRW standard for many years, it is since I think 2008/2009 that you see a tendency that some girls start asking 50/25/50 or indeed even in some cases even 50/50/50. The majority of the GT. PHG and Lr girls still ask 50/25/25 this in contrast with VV.

Actually currently I would not go for a Sunday VV visit. The club has lost a lot of its charm since it openned januari 2008. Gt is still the benchmark in NRW, PHG is fully back in business (great party last Friday) and LR and VV both seem to lose some momentum.

Mon-thu VV is almost dead, less girls and guests. Fri / Sat if you are lucky it can be Ok although I am not much amused by some of the clientele in VV.

In 2008-2010 I was a BIG VV fan and was there almost every week, I hope the good times return since the facilities are really great. But great facilities do not make a club.Of cause I'll be mad if she charge 50+50+50 without telling me, but I'm would rather ask her rate and agree or disagree with her before the session, because if she provide a good session, and then taken her to the reception afterwards would be a mood killer for both parties and destroy and chance of repeat and GFE later. If the session totally sucks and she overcharges yes I'll taken her to the front desk as then she is a shark! (if the session sucks I wouldn't spend more than 30mins with her, so I don't have this problem yet)

I've not been to PHG for a long time as the line-up and #of girls were not so good back then. But with your latest recommendation I might check PHG out on a Friday. It's not every Friday they have a party, right? I guess during weekdays PHG is quite dead as well. While GT is alive and LR after 18 o'clock.

(for who that doesn't know PHG, it's smaller club very close to VV)

We all have our favorite clubs until we've found our new favorite girls in other clubs, then we have a new favorite club.

Girls before club. Yeah always on hunting.

I'm sure VV will pick up momentum during Spring / Summer weekends with naked girls around the pool during the day and party at night.

Now it's freezing like hell!

Capt Dan
02-07-12, 23:12
This is not true. In Gt, LR and PHG you can complain at the desk when a girl goes for the 50/50/50 rate, without informing you before entering the room. In VV this is not the case and on the German and Dutch boards you will find more reports about VV girls all asking the 50/50/50 rate.

50/25/25/25 was the NRW standard for many years, it is since I think 2008/2009 that you see a tendency that some girls start asking 50/25/50 or indeed even in some cases even 50/50/50. The majority of the GT. PHG and Lr girls still ask 50/25/25 this in contrast with VV.

Actually currently I would not go for a Sunday VV visit. The club has lost a lot of its charm since it openned januari 2008. Gt is still the benchmark in NRW, PHG is fully back in business (great party last Friday) and LR and VV both seem to lose some momentum.

Mon-thu VV is almost dead, less girls and guests. Fri / Sat if you are lucky it can be Ok although I am not much amused by some of the clientele in VV.

In 2008-2010 I was a BIG VV fan and was there almost every week, I hope the good times return since the facilities are really great. But great facilities do not make a club.Big30 I respect you opinion but we will have to agree to differ about VV and about the rates charged at GT.

Perhaps it is easier to achieve the 50+25+50+25 rate if you are Dutch / German or a regular visitor to GT but not if you are neither Dutch or German or a regular.

I know. I have been in GT many times with with non-regulars from the English speaking world.

More often than not these guys are charged €50 per half hour. Sometimes they get the second half hour for €25 but only sometimes!

Big30
02-07-12, 23:36
I know. I have been in GT Many times with with non-regulars from the English speaking world.

More often than not these guys are charged €50 per half hour. Sometimes they get the second half hour for €25 but only sometimes! [/font]I do not think we disagree that much!
Maybe about how often is "more often", but yes there are also in Gt some girls that go for the 50/50/50 ratio. I think you are right this probably happens more with non-regulars from the English speaking world.

But in Gt you can complain when they charge you after the session and do not inform you before. The VV price policy (formal / informal) always has been a little diffuse so to speak. When they started 50/50 was allowed and since then never became 100 % clear to me what the girls in VV were allowed to ask.

I paid there 50/50 but also 50/25/25 depending on the girl.

I agree that in GT (and sometimes also LR and PHG) 50/50 is more and more a trend.

Nille Copenhagen
02-07-12, 23:58
Big30 I respect you opinion but we will have to agree to differ about VV And about the rates charged at GT.

Perhaps it is easier to achieve the 50+25+50+25 rate if you are Dutch / German or a regular visitor to GT But not if you are neither Dutch or German or a regular.

I know. I have been in GT Many times with with non-regulars from the English speaking world.

More often than not these guys are charged €50 per half hour. Sometimes they get the second half hour for €25 but only sometimes! I'm with Big30 on this one.

CD are you paying 50+50 at GT?

I'm not Dutch or German, but I can speak German, I mainly speak English with the non-German girls as their German sucks.

I'm getting away with 50+25+25+25 and 50+25+50+25, I've never paid 50+50+50 (only if a-option is included). At GT or LR or VV or any other NRW clubs except Bernds and DV.

This discussion is not so relevant for guys that stick to 30min sessions.

But for me who enjoy longer sessions. I've learned how get the girls for longer sessions at the right price level.

Nille Copenhagen
02-08-12, 00:26
I do not think we disagree that much!

Maybe about how often is "more often", but yes there are also in Gt some girls that go for the 50/50/50 ratio. I think you are right this probably happens more with non-regulars from the English speaking world.

But in Gt you can complain when they charge you after the session and do not inform you before. The VV price policy (formal / informal) always has been a little diffuse so to speak. When they started 50/50 was allowed and since then never became 100 % clear to me what the girls in VV were allowed to ask.

I paid there 50/50 but also 50/25/25 depending on the girl.

I agree that in GT (and sometimes also LR and PHG) 50/50 is more and more a trend.The girls are confused or tent to got forget.

Like Isa slim German blondine, she wanted 50+50 (it's known that she charges this rate) , but later agreed on 50+25 with me, then next time she saw me I ask her, she quoted 50+50, then I have to remind her that last time she agree on 50+25, then she said okey and we went off to the hut.

I would say it's not a trend, it's customer dependent and part of the game, some guys play it well some pay the price.

VV has 50+25 as a guide line, but if you ask the front desk they tell you to ask and agree with the girls, VV doesn't has very stick rules (This makes it harder to complain) so the girls have more freedom to charge 50+50.

Capt Dan
02-08-12, 00:34
I do not think we disagree that much!

Maybe about how often is "more often", but yes there are also in Gt some girls that go for the 50/50/50 ratio. I think you are right this probably happens more with non-regulars from the English speaking world.

But in Gt you can complain when they charge you after the session and do not inform you before. The VV price policy (formal / informal) always has been a little diffuse so to speak. When they started 50/50 was allowed and since then never became 100 % clear to me what the girls in VV were allowed to ask.
I paid there 50/50 but also 50/25/25 depending on the girl.
I agree that in GT (and sometimes also LR and PHG) 50/50 is more and more a trend.No Big30 I don't think we disagree much at all really.
Which is good because I find your posts very useful and informative and I would question my opinions if we were not in some sort of agreement!
I definitely can see a difference in how my Dutch and German friends are charged compared against my British and American friends.
The Dutch and German chaps more often than not will get the 50/25 rate compared with the British / American (and Italian!) guys, who tend to be charged the 50/50 rate.
Of course if you are a regular visitor (Dutch / German / British / American) you will have a better chance of the 50/25 rate.
This applies to both GT or VV (also LR and PHG) but I agree that it is easier for all visitors to get a 50/25 rate in GT/LR.
This is probably why Acapulco is more appealing on an English speaking board like ISG, because the €80/hour rate at ACA is more transparent.
However IMO ACA is far from perfect and has its own issues.
Nobody I know (Dutch / German / British / American) has recently managed to negotiate the 50/25/25/25 rate.
The rate seems to have been more possible a few years ago but I do not know anyone who has recently negotiated this rate.
But we all live in hope! Best of luck and good mongering :)

CD

LilJoey
02-09-12, 00:28
Thanks for the very kind words Liljoey.

In answer to your questions:

Nothing in life is certain and who knows what might happen with weather conditions which could effect the hooker count at either VV Or GT On the Sunday of your intended visit.

In my opinion GT May have the slight edge over VV On the number of 9 or 10 rated hookers on any given Sunday but this must be balanced with the number of isberen Who will be in attendance. GT Can sometimes be busier than VV On Sundays despite VV's free Sunday entry for all those who visited during the week. Six of one or half a dozen of the other if you ask me. I prefer the ambiance of VV And would consequently tend towards this establishment but I also do not need dozens of 9 or 10 rated hookers to be in attendance either. Just as with Nille Copenhagen, there are usually a sufficient number of favourites at VV To keep me satisfied. My advice to you is to go with the GT / LR Combination (forget about the disco!) as this will probably offer you a better selection of 9 or 10 type girls. But if you prefer a more relaxed pace, a very pleasant ambiance, plus a hint of the Friday / Saturday party atmosphere, then VV Is the place to go!
Liljoey, I'll also put my money on GT+LR has more 8-9-10s on a Sunday, but you have to be fast to secure a nice girl as many Dutch guys are there in the weekends and around 10pm all the girls are gone / picked so it is like a gayclub, LOL.

The Dutch has an advantage they are living nearby and probably book their favorites via sms before hands, so for a newbie you might be out of luck to go with a 8-9-10, the trick is catch the girls even before they enter the main lounge if they are available.

I still prefer Sundays at VV. You can try VV and move on to GT or LR later if you don't like line-up of VV.Thanks for the guidance, guys.

Personally, I really don't need an abundance of 9's and 10's to be in the sauna club, only a sufficient number of them that will grant me an adequate selection.

If there are too many guys there, and there is severe competition, or worse, hordes of Dutch guys who are there frequently and can reserve their favorite girls in advance by sms, and one must catch girls even before they enter the club to have a chance at them, it totally changes the whole mongering "method".

In places like Palace or Oase, the veterans counseled not to take the first girl that hits on you, but rather to check out all the girls, even to observe a girl over time and see how she and a client are interrelating after a just completed session, to assess if she is likely to provide a good session. That's a rather laid back and cautious approach, but it's possible because the girls will be available usually at some point later, so you don't have to pounce on her at first sight.

However, because of the much earlier closing time at 1:00 AM at GT compressing opportunity, coupled with the competition for the hot girls by the presence of a lot of isberen, and even of those who have the girls' telephone numbers and can sms them in advance for appointments, to the point where Nille Copenhagen can write classic lines like, "around 10pm all the girls are gone / picked so it is like a gayclub, LOL" Or "the trick is catch the girls even before they enter the main lounge if they are available", then obviously no such laid back approach is possible at a place like GT. This is particularly true if many guys are booking long term sessions of several hours duration with the girl they want, because they want to spend time in the room, rather than spend time outside on a line waiting for a room, and because they are getting subsequent half hours at discounted rates, making longer sessions more affordable and thus more likely. This of course means there is less of the rapid turnover of 30 minute sessions as is the norm in Palace or Oase. So once a girl disappears at GT, it may be for a long time, and there's a good possibility you won't see her again that evening.

If the risk is high of being cock-blocked from the hottest girls at GT by guys who are regulars there, and have pre-existing relationships with the girls and can take them out of the line up before newcomers even get a chance at them, and if longer sessions are common because of the lower prices as well as the long wait times for rooms, then this scenario is a potential disaster waiting to happen for a newcomer who needs time to assess the girls before choosing. It's the reason why I have stayed in the Frankfurt area until now, despite reports of very good line ups at the NRW clubs.

In light of that, perhaps the more relaxed atmosphere at VV is a better choice as a venue with the least potential for cock-blocking on a Sunday night.

LJ

Capt Dan
02-09-12, 02:14
Thanks for the guidance, guys.

LJI guess LJ at this stage you've soon got to make a decision! Hopefully whatever club you eventually decide upon will be what you want it to be.

I do hope that you will have a great trip!

CD :)

Nille Copenhagen
02-09-12, 06:48
Thanks for the guidance, guys.

If the risk is high of being cock-blocked from the hottest girls at GT by guys who are regulars there, and have pre-existing relationships with the girls and can take them out of the line up before newcomers even get a chance at them, and if longer sessions are common because of the lower prices as well as the long wait times for rooms, then this scenario is a potential disaster waiting to happen for a newcomer who needs time to assess the girls before choosing. It's the reason why I have stayed in the Frankfurt area until now, despite reports of very good line ups at the NRW clubs.

In light of that, perhaps the more relaxed atmosphere at VV is a better choice as a venue with the least potential for cock-blocking on a Sunday night.

LJI don't want to scare you, is not like that everyday. You could try your luck at GT. I never had a bad time at GT either. Timing is the key.

Book your girl just after dinner or pizzatime as they will all appear for food and guys tend to be lazy after dinner.

Of cause the girls prefer to have longer session with a guy she knows (regular) for reduce rate, than a new guy for little extra pesos.

Also mentally is better for her that she have only fuck 3 guys that day in stead of 10.

Waiting for a room with a girl it not a bad thing, you get to know each other better (presession) and it might result in better sex.

It happens that people fuck in the toilet, garden, kino, if they don't want to wait for a room.

LilJoey
02-09-12, 13:30
I guess LJ At this stage you've soon got to make a decision! Hopefully whatever club you eventually decide upon will be what you want it to be.

I do hope that you will have a great trip!

CD. I had indicated in my earlier post that it was pursuasive to me that VV was the better choice, it having received the endorsement of good times by yourself and Nille Copenhagen. And in particular, since you have not taken issue with, and thus appear to agree with, Nille Copenhagen's colorful descriptions that I cited, of the over-crowding and competition that occur at GT, it seems obvious that it's best to avoid that situation. What good is the great line up at GT, if the best girls are grabbed up so quickly by the regulars there, that it's difficult to get to them, producing a decidedly unrelaxed environment of high competition for the girls.

So my plan is to head straight to VV at first, arriving there at about 5:00 pm. I will survey the possibilities and if the line up has at least a few hot girls I can session with, I will stay at VV until around 10:00pm, and then I will head to LR. Only if VV truly has nothing of interest, will I quickly make my mind up about it, deem the entrance fee paid a "loss", and try to salvage my trip by going to GT straightaways, in order to at least try it out and form my own opinions. That's the plan. Thanks much.

LJ

Nille Copenhagen
02-09-12, 15:40
so my plan is to head straight to vv at first, arriving there at about 5:00 pm. i will survey the possibilities and if the line up has at least a few hot girls i can session with, i will stay at vv until around 10:00pm, and then i will head to lr. only if vv truly has nothing of interest, will i quickly make my mind up about it, deem the entrance fee paid a "loss", and try to salvage my trip by going to gt straightaways, in order to at least try it out and form my own opinions. that's the plan. thanks much.

ljas i see it, you have 2 options:

go to vv, if you have good time stay until closing time, (don't forget the dutch, french, italian are also here! so could be same situation as gt, but in general less busy as gt)

go to gt, if you have good time stay until closing time.

use only lr as a backup because it closes later.

club hopping is fun but too stressful in one night,

you have to get dress / undress, drive, find your way watch out for speedcams, dress / undress, shower again, get familiar with a new club.

and waste min. 1-2h. you could end up with an optifick. not worth it, imo.

LilJoey
02-09-12, 19:26
as i see it, you have 2 options:

go to vv, if you have good time stay until closing time, (don't forget the dutch, french, italian are also here! so could be same situation as gt, but in general less busy as gt)

go to gt, if you have good time stay until closing time.

use only lr as a backup because it closes later.

club hopping is fun but too stressful in one night,

you have to get dress / undress, drive, find your way watch out for speedcams, dress / undress, shower again, get familiar with a new club.

and waste min. 1-2h. you could end up with an optifick. not worth it, imo.i had considered the issue of the time waste involved in club hopping when the gt / lr combo was first suggested to me and asked about the best way to time this to get the best of both clubs. it seemed as though an hour was sufficient to allow for the transit time.

i am quite used to crowding at prime evening hours as typically also occurs at fkk oase, and some waiting for rooms there also at peak times. but it seems that the amount of rooms at oase is not too far off from the peak numbers of guests, so that the waiting period is not too very long. it has sometimes occured at oase that a girl i saw earlier and wanted, dissapeared and i never spotted her again the whole evening till closing, but there were always other girls i was happy with as substitutes. so i know the drill, guys, and i can operate well with lots of other guys present too.

what raises concern is that the facilities and number of available rooms is not as well matched with the peak number of guests at clubs like gt producing even longer wait times, coupled with the higher tendency for guys booking longer term multiple hour sessions because of the lower prices available at nrw clubs and their concern not to have to wait another long period of time to get a room, if they finish with one girl and exit the room to go look for a second girl. under those conditions it is obviously better to stay with one hot girl for a longer period in the room and fuck her twice. more efficient use of club time. quite understandable. but the effect is to further exacerbate the waiting time problem. by contrast, at oase the standard pricing of 50 euro for each half hour still has many guys doing only half hour sessions and there is a rapid enough turnaround time in the rooms to keep things going. it's just the way things are.

as nille recommended, turn the problem into an advantage and get to know your girl more while waiting and maybe get a better relationship and session. or get to fucking in new and interesting places like toilets, garden (now that should be fun in sub-zero temperatures) and the kino. maybe i will start a new trend and sit the girl up on the bar facing me, spread her legs and give her an amazing daty session right there infront of everyone. if she orgasms loudly, then i'm sure i will have gotten the attention of the other girls, and they will line up, clamoring "me next, me next". lol. a guy can fantasize, can't he?

now, i expect that if upon entry to vv, that i see enough good looking girls there for me to stay, then in the 4 or 5 hours i would be there from 5:00 pm until 9 or 10:00pm, i will probably session at least twice for 1 hour sessions to 1. 5 hour sessions, depending on the girl, just as i have always done at both palace, world, and oase. i don't like the rushed feel of a half hour session, so i've always done longer sessions.

at oase or palace i'm usually among the last ones out of the locker rooms at 4:00am closing time. so i would naturally want to extend the partying until 3:00am at lr.

as to whether to transit from vv to lr at 10:00pm in order to spend 4 hours there from around 11:00pm to 3:00am closing time, i will make a judgment call around 9 or 10pm, and if i'm having a great time at vv, i may choose not to go. but if i'm not having a great time, then the hassle of transiting will be worth it. if i don't go to lr and choose to stay at vv (or gt) until 1:00am closing, i will be happy if i get 3 sessions in, and the extra sleep will be good too, because monday night i will be stopping in madrid, and will need some energy for the hot ladies at factory air or vive madrid. lol.

nille, the only thing you said scary, was gayclub at 10pm at gt. lol.

lj

LilJoey
02-12-12, 04:13
I was wondering whether, since VV (and GT) close at 1:00 AM, has anyone succeeded in getting one of the girls to come back to their hotel to continue the fun there? If this is possible, then it could be an alternatiive to club hopping from VV (or GT) over to LR.

Henio
02-12-12, 05:01
I was wondering whether, since VV (and GT) close at 1:00 AM, has anyone succeeded in getting one of the girls to come back to their hotel to continue the fun there? If this is possible, then it could be an alternatiive to club hopping from VV (or GT) over to LR.Most here read all the threads and it is slightly annoying when the same question is posted in more than one thread.

Vito Corleone
02-13-12, 10:23
Well YMMV, it works for me.

I been with many girls at VV, GT, LR that accept the price of 50+25+25+25I agree. YMMV. I have been with some really hot babes who accept the standard 50+25+25+25 rate@GT & LR. I am from the English speaking world & speak zero German. Am I considered a regular, well who knows. Been accused of being a jealous bully who rarely visits any club. Some have been my regular for years & some I met for the first time.

Honestly, the 50+50+50 rate@GT & LR seems like a myth. I have not been quoted the 50+50+50 rate since Carla & Shayen left. Not even once@LR.

VV, the really hot babes tend to charge the 50+50+50 rate.

Capt Dan
02-14-12, 23:42
I was wondering whether, since VV (and GT) close at 1:00 AM, has anyone succeeded in getting one of the girls to come back to their hotel to continue the fun there? If this is possible, then it could be an alternatiive to club hopping from VV (or GT) over to LR.Of course it is also possible to stay for the night in VV. I'm sure one or two of the lovely ladies will be prepared to entertain you for a consideration. Last I heard the accommodation cost in VV was €100 approx for the night (you need to contact the club a day or two before arriving). Ladies are of course at extra cost :D

CD

Capt Dan
02-14-12, 23:56
I'm with Big30 on this one.

CD are you paying 50+50 at GT?In GT I'm probably paying €75 per hour on average but sometimes more, as I'm not great at haggling with the hookers. That also means €150 for two hours (not €125). I'm ok with that as I don't consider myself anything like a regular (i.e. visit the club three or four times a month). I also tend to move between the girls and don't have particular favorites.

LilJoey
02-15-12, 04:08
Of course it is also possible to stay for the night in VV. I'm sure one or two of the lovely ladies will be prepared to entertain you for a consideration. Last I heard the accommodation cost in VV was €100 approx for the night (you need to contact the club a day or two before arriving). Ladies are of course at extra cost.

CD .

Good suggestion.

I had asked about after hours dating in the first place, because 1:00 AM is a little earlier than I want to end the night's festivities. So I actually had planned to discuss the possibilities of such an "after hours" date with girls that appeal to me at VV throughout the evening. I thought that if I could secure a good girl for after hours, it would make things much simpler and eliminate the need for any club hopping.

But I was going to ask the girls to come to my hotel. I had already booked a four star hotel for this purpose, the Mercure hotel in Krefeld. I booked it mainly because I didn't want to take a chance on the armpit smell hotels the guys on the LR thread were talking about in Kaarst, since I don't fall asleep easily and if there would be untoward smells I'm sure it would be a sleepless night, but I also had in mind that it would be better to invite a girl to a nice place rather than a cheap bare bones motel. The Mercure is about 22 km (a half hour drive) from VV. However, the reservation is cancellable.

So do you think staying at the VV club for the overnight, versus offering to take the girl to a nice hotel, would be a factor that would increase my chances of securing an "after closing time" date with one of the VV girls, or would it make no difference?

Hbengkok
02-15-12, 09:30
.

Good suggestion.

So do you think staying at the VV club for the overnight, versus offering to take the girl to a nice hotel, would be a factor that would increase my chances of securing an "after closing time" date with one of the VV girls, or would it make no difference?Well, in my opinion it's worth for you to try negotiate with the girl (especially the one you know already give a good service) to go to hotel. Why? Because I think it would be more relaxed to stay the night in your hotel. The problem is because your hotel is not near, so it will have an extra cost for you to give, for the transportation back for the girl. Whether the girl or girls agree its depend on your courage and luck.

Capt Dan
02-15-12, 19:55
So do you think staying at the VV club for the overnight, versus offering to take the girl to a nice hotel, would be a factor that would increase my chances of securing an "after closing time" date with one of the VV girls, or would it make no difference?Anything is possible if your pockets are deep enough! :D
However, you definitely have a better chance of securing an "after closing time date" if you are staying overnight in VV yourself. Some of the hookers working in VV stay overnight in the rooms after closing time anyway! A couple of high roller mongering acquaintances of mine who from time to time stay overnight in VV never complain about the lack of companionship! :) But be warned these guys do have very deep pockets and are established visitors to this club.
My advice would be to contact the club and inquire about a reservation and the possibility of companionship! I suppose you may not get a straight answer about the latter possibility but perhaps no harm to ask anyway! Might help you to make up your mind about staying over.

CD

LilJoey
02-15-12, 22:49
Anything is possible if your pockets are deep enough! .

However, you definitely have a better chance of securing an "after closing time date" if you are staying overnight in VV yourself. Some of the hookers working in VV stay overnight in the rooms after closing time anyway! A couple of high roller mongering acquaintances of mine who from time to time stay overnight in VV never complain about the lack of companionship! . But be warned these guys do have very deep pockets and are established visitors to this club.

My advice would be to contact the club and inquire about a reservation and the possibility of companionship! I suppose you may not get a straight answer about the latter possibility but perhaps no harm to ask anyway! Might help you to make up your mind about staying over.

CD Thanks, CD. The club said it was no problem to stay overnight there. When you referenced the "deep pockets" of your friends, did you mean to imply that the girls who might agree to an after hours date would want more than the ordinary amount per hour? I'm thinking of possibly having a girl stay on for two more hours, say until 3:00 AM, if I find a suitable candidate. Should that cost more than 150 Euro (50+25 rate) [or at worst case 200 Euro) 50+50 rate) ] for a 2 hour session from 1:00. 3:00 AM?

Then, I'll need to sleep for some hours, so I have energy for Monday night's plans.

Capt Dan
02-16-12, 00:23
Thanks, CD. The club said it was no problem to stay overnight there. When you referenced the "deep pockets" of your friends, did you mean to imply that the girls who might agree to an after hours date would want more than the ordinary amount per hour? I'm thinking of possibly having a girl stay on for two more hours, say until 3:00 AM, if I find a suitable candidate. Should that cost more than 150 Euro (50+25 rate) [or at worst case 200 Euro) 50+50 rate) ] for a 2 hour session from 1:00. 3:00 AM?

Then, I'll need to sleep for some hours, so I have energy for Monday night's plans."Deep Pockets" as in partying with several girls for several hours and into the wee hours. Should be possible to find a lady for a few hours extra (until 3 am) at something like the standard rate. As I said a number of the girls (particularly the Romanian contingent) stay overnight in VV anyway! The girls are generally pretty friendly and ready to chat so you might build the fact that you are staying overnight into your chat / interview routine. Have a look out for Melanie - Romania (not sure if she is currently around) who although slightly voluptuous / rubenesque in appearance (you may or may not like this) is a very obliging girl (nice appearance / nice personality) and probably would be up for an extended late session. Good luck with the adventure!

CD

LilJoey
02-16-12, 01:07
"Deep Pockets" as in partying with several girls for several hours and into the wee hours. Should be possible to find a lady for a few hours extra (until 3 am) at something like the standard rate. As I said a number of the girls (particularly the Romanian contingent) stay overnight in VV anyway! The girls are generally pretty friendly and ready to chat so you might build the fact that you are staying overnight into your chat / interview routine. Have a look out for Melanie. Romania (not sure if she is currently around) who although slightly voluptuous / rubenesque in appearance (you may or may not like this) is a very obliging girl (nice appearance / nice personality) and probably would be up for an extended late session. Good luck with the adventure!

CD

Thanks for your guidance and tips.

BTW, your friends sound like my kind of guys. Some of my best experiences were the nights I took awesome looking duos out of Rio strip club in Kiev and partied with the girls all night. It was costly, but it sure was worth it. Something for the memory files, for when I'm no longer able. I might even consider a duo for after hours at VV too.

If I compare it, it's approximately the same cost as what I've done at Rio. At Rio in Kiev it costs $300 per girl, for three hours, and thus $600 for the two girls for three hours. $300 USD is about 230 Euro today. So at the more standard rate asked by VV girls of 75 / hour (50+25+50+25) for three hours, that's 225 Euro, and about the same as the cost at Rio. And if a VV girl would agree to the 50+25+25+25 rate, which maybe they would consider because there's no other business then after hours anyway, it is only 175 Euro per girl for the three hours or 125 Euro per girl for two hours. Therefore, a duo is much easier to do at VV than at Rio in Kiev, where I have been mongering of late.

That's economically. But for relationship purposes and connecting with a girl more personally, if that is one's desire, then it is better to be one on one.

LJ

LilJoey
02-22-12, 00:27
Here are the links to my reports for this weekend for the days I spent in Kiev (Friday and Saturday) for those who may be interested:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1249951&viewfull=1#post1249951

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1250457&viewfull=1#post1250457

Thanks to the recommendations and information on this thread, I decided to do Sunday night at VV, for the reasons I stated in earlier posts. Sunday I took the Wizz Air flight from Kiev's Zhulyany airport to Dortmund, Germany. I rented a car from Sixt and gave up on the idea of going by train because the connections would cause significant delay in my arrival time at the club. I made the easy highway drive from Dortmund Airport to Villa Vertigo with no problem.

I had cancelled my reservation at the Mercure Hotel in Krefeld and made arrangements to sleep overnight at VV. I paid them the 100 Euro when I arrived at VV. There was a glitch however. When the club was closing I approached the reception desk to ask about which room I should sleep in, the girl there said it is not possible for me to sleep at the club that night. I told her that I was told before that it was possible and made those arrangements before when I arrived at about 5:00 PM, and I said that they cannot simply change their minds without informing me, because now it was 1:00 AM and more difficult for me to secure a hotel. Ultimately, it turned out to be a language barrier issue, because when I started demanding that they reimburse me the 100 Euro I paid them earlier, she said,"Oh, you paid earlier? I don't have it listed here in my list." They went to check with someone (I guess the boss) and then they realized that the girl who had received my payment had goofed, and had not written it down for the one who would be there at closing. So for those of you thinking of doing this option, make sure you pay the 100 Euro early on when you arrive, and double check that things are known and recorded properly throughout the evening, since you may find yourself out in the cold due to the confusion that can happen with the way they apparently do things at this club. But all worked out in the end. The room I received was every bit as comfortable as a hotel room. It was one of the upstairs room with a private bathroom and shower. I had not gotten near any of these rooms during the night as they were not available to session in and the girls I chose led me to the downstairs rooms. These rooms were very hot and I ended up sweating a great deal in those rooms when I was having sex with the girls, which was uncomfortable.

However, I did have a great night there Sunday night, nailing three hotties, including a petite Romanian girl whose name I forgot, then the awesome looking black haired beauty Melissa, whose body is a 9 or 10 in my opinion. Melissa said she is from Albania. Last there was the blond and sexy Magda (Polish) , a sweet girl and very enjoyable. All girls demanded 100 Euro / hr (50 + 50). There were relatively few girls at VV this past Sunday who looked good enough for me to consider for a session. Melissa was the only one who stirred my imagination and is still banging around in my head because of how hot her body is. Wow.

The lack of access to the nicer upstairs rooms at VV even on an off night like Sunday night when there were relatively few girls working compared to the numbers on Friday and Saturday nights, means that these nicer rooms are irrelevant to considering whether to attend VV or not. In my opinion, the experience at FKK Oase or even FKK Palace in Frankfurt area, far surpasses VV on a Sunday night. Because of the crowding and dearth of adequate access to the nicer rooms, it is sure that Friday and Saturday nights will be more comfortable at the Frankfurt area FKK's due to the size and capacity of the facilities in relation to the quantity of customers, although some may want to attend VV despite these shortcomings, due to the party atmosphere on Friday and Saturday nights at VV, which is lacking at FKK's such as Oase and Palace.

In the morning, I drove to Weeze airport (an easy drive) and flew on a cheap Ryan Air flight to Madrid for Monday night, where I went to Factory Air club which in near the airport. The club was poorly attended on a Monday night, with very few girls. Nevertheless, I had two very good sessions with blond Romanian Kassandra, and black haired Romanian Andrea. The prices uniformly demanded by all girls were 75 Euro per half hour and 150 Euro per hour, with no entrance fee. The facilities at Factory Air are much nicer than at Flower's Park. Nevertheless, the point of comparison is the German FKK's, where the girl rates are 100 Euro / hr, but with a 75 Euro entrance fee and in most cases far nicer facilities. Factory Air only comes out a little less expensive than the German FKK's if you do only one or two half hour sessions. Otherwise, the higher girl prices at Factory Air in Madrid, quickly overtake and surpass the net prices for longer sessions at the FKK's. For example, a typical night of three sessions of an hour long each would cost 450 Euro at Factory Air in Madrid, but only 375 Euro at FKK Palace in Frankfurt. Conversely, two half hour sessions at Factory Air in Madrid would cost 150 Euro total, whereas at FKK Palace it would cost 175 Euro (two 50 Euro sessions plus entrance fee of 75 Euro). For a mongering trip intending extensive sessions, clearly germany's FKK's are a better destination.

LJ

Nille Copenhagen
02-22-12, 09:19
Melissa and Magda, good choices Liljoey! Glad you made it to VV.

So you slept alone at VV. The main house was a former hotel.

LilJoey
02-22-12, 21:47
Melissa and Magda, good choices Liljoey! Glad you made it to VV.

So you slept alone at VV. The main house was a former hotel.Yes, slept alone, which was just as well because I was exhausted from my Kiev escapades and hadn't slept more than two hours Saturday night after my duo with Ada and Lera from Rio strip club. In fact, I was slapping my own face to keep my eyes open while driving from Dortmund to VV club Sunday afternoon. So I needed rest so I could function Monday night in Madrid.

I had asked Melissa to join me after club closing from 1:00 AM to 3:00 AM, but she said she had a regular who had already invited her for an overnight. Magda and the first girl (whose name I forget) wanted to stay only for all night until the morning, but not for only two hours as I wanted. The reason was that they lived almost an hour away, and would then have to drive home late at 3:00 AM and either didn't have a ride then, or didn't want to drive themselves then. So I slept. If Melissa had been with me, I'm sure I would not have been able to sleep. In fact, after our session, which was pretty intense, Melissa said to me,"You want to do this to me all night? You will kill me like this!" She's a bit crazy and funny like that. She said she would let me know if her regular cancels. But she too only wanted all night, and not just until 3:00 AM.

To respond to some of your PM comments and questions, I didn't go to Madrid to fuck Romanian girls. The reason for my being in Madrid was simply because I had the lowest airfare to Europe by flying into Berlin and coming home from Madrid. It lowered the airfare cost by several hundred dollars from mid $800's to $519, and Madrid was ok to spend a night in because there are some fun clubs in Madrid too. There was a $50 Easyjet flight from Berlin to Madrid, so my initial airfare costs when contemplating just a Berlin / Madrid trip were quite low. Then I changed my plans and I replaced the 3 nights Berlin, with 2 nights Kiev and 1 night VV in NRW Germany. I didn't go to Madrid for the purpose of fucking any particular nationality. Whoever were the hottest girls I would meet would be fine. It turned out that in the club I went to in Madrid on Monday night, it was an off night, and instead of the usual 70 girls (per prior reports on the Madrid thread), there were only about 20 girls. The two girls that most appealed to me turned out to be in fact Romanian girls, by coincidence. Last time I was in Madrid at a different club, it turned out to be a Hungarian and a Brazilian girl who captured my interest.

Also, yes I think Melissa@VV could compete with girls from Kiev, as although I would describe Melissa's face as sexy and exotic rather than model pretty, her body is spectacular by any world standard, and has perfect shape and tone. But then so did blond models Darina and Lera in Kiev, and brunette Ada, have awesome bodies.

You may reference some of my prior posts which discuss and compare the pros and cons of FKK's versus Kiev, to answer your question about how Melissa compares with the girls in Kiev.

In general my opinion is that in FKK's one will be able to get consistently good GFE service, including uncovered blow job, DATY. 69, various positions, all done with a smile and fun attitude. Whereas, in Kiev it will depend on the girl, and on your skills in interviewing and interacting with a girl to determine in advance of taking her home with you whether she is likely to give good GFE service. The uncovered blow job is the element that most often is the issue, as the girls at Rio strip club in Kiev tend to be young university age girls who are health conscious and prefer covered BJ and safe sex, although a fairly good number will perform a natural uncovered blow job. In FKK-land the uncovered blow job is standard and expected.

On the other hand, in Kiev you will be able to find and have sex with girls who are far more beautiful than most girls at the FKK's, and tall amazing looking girls are all over the place. Also in Kiev it is possible to have good sex far more cheaply than at an FKK. The minimum you would pay for an hour of sex at FKK Palace is 75 Euro entrance plus 100 Euro for 1 hour session. 175 Euro today is $231 USD. So while one would spend $231 USD for an hour of sex at FKK Palace, one could find a hot escort girl in Kiev for $75 USD or $100 USD. The only way to bring down the cost of the individual session in an FKK is to session with more girls and spread the entrance fee cost over more girl sessions. So if you did three 1 hour sessions at FKK Palace, the cost of each would be 100 Euros, plus one third of the entrance fee cost, for a net cost per 1 hour session at FKK Palace of 125 Euro, which is $165 USD per hour. So the bottom line is that the costs for an hour of sex in FKK Palace ($165 / hr if you do three 1 hour sessions) is more than double the $75 / hr cost of sex available with hot girls in Kiev from escort websites.

However, there is a caveat to this. In the FKK you see the actual girls beforehand and choose from what you see. In the case of the escort websites in Kiev, which use fake pictures for the most part, you cannot see the girl until she shows up at your door. So what you must do is send her away if she doesn't look good enough. And then you must continue this process until a hot girl shows up at your door. It doesn't help to yell at the escort service phone girl to send you a skinny, pretty, sexy girl. They send you what they have and what they want to. However, since the population in Kiev has a statistically high percentage of hot girls in it, it is usually possible to get a hot girl at your door eventually, if you stay with it and keep trying. It just takes a little while and a few tries. If you read the reports on the Kiev thread, you will see that this has been the experience of most guys who have used the escort websites.

I only tried to do this method, of using escort websites in Kiev and trying a few times until a hot girl showed up, during the daytime hours, because I prefer going to the Rio strip club which opens at night, because at the strip club I can see the girls in advance, play with them in a private dance a bit to gauge their sexuality, connection and chemistry with me, and speak to them, in advance of making a choice or a decision about which girl I want to invite home with me. Also, at the strip club, it is possible to see and choose a far more beautiful girl than you will ever be likely to get when using the internet website escort services when you must wait for a hottie to "accidentally" show up.

However, at the strip club it costs more because there is a three hour minimum date requirement costing $300 USD, which is still a rate of $100 USD / hour, but you have to take a three hour session there. Some guys try to get the girls for the whole night or longer because there is only a marginal increase in cost for this, once you've already paid $300. For example, some girls at the strip club will stay all night for $400 USD. However, many guys don't want three hours, and want to limit a session to a 1 hour date, so the total they will pay will be less, so these guys must stick with the escort websites, or trying to meet girls in the streets and shopping malls, and try to get them for a low price.

So by comparison to the costs at FKK Palace where a three hour session would cost a total of 375 Euro or $496 USD, even the strip club cost in Kiev of $300 USD for "take out" is significantly less than the FKK costs.

In a nutshell, FKK's are better at uniform service by very pretty girls. Kiev is better for far more beautiful girls and lower prices.

LJ

Capt Dan
02-23-12, 23:21
Glad to have read Liljoey that your Sunday trip to Villa Vertigo was, generally speaking, both a pleasant and enjoyable experience!

CD

LilJoey
02-24-12, 05:32
Glad to have read Liljoey That your Sunday trip to Villa Vertigo Was, generally speaking, both a pleasant and enjoyable experience!

CDYes of course it was very enjoyable to be with girls like Melissa and Magda. Thanks to helpful advice from you, Nille and others, my trip was great, although exhausting.

When I think of the hotties I was with in Kiev, and of the incredibly hot body of Melissa in VV, and the two Romanian hotties in Madrid, my head spins. And it sure makes me want to get back soon. I'm sure you know the feeling.

Nille Copenhagen
02-25-12, 09:14
Yes of course it was very enjoyable to be with girls like Melissa and Magda. Thanks to helpful advice from you, Nille and others, my trip was great, although exhausting.

When I think of the hotties I was with in Kiev, and of the incredibly hot body of Melissa in VV, and the two Romanian hotties in Madrid, my head spins. And it sure makes me want to get back soon. I'm sure you know the feeling.Hi Liljoey,

Way to go!

You must be in good shape, fucking all the beauties, all the traveling activities and hardly any sleep.

Yes I know the feeling, want to get back asap. Sometimes when I'm surrounded by beauties, I get picky and don't know who to fuck.

When I get home and think about it then I should have fucked some more.

Nille Copenhagen
02-25-12, 14:21
Hi Liljoey.

NRW is quite competitive with RIO in term of cost, the experience and adventure are of cause different.

GT, VV, LR, PHG, ACA, Samya ect.

All day-entrance 50€ (ACA less) , including food and drink and use of the wellness facilities.

Assuming 75€/h and free pre-sessions. Free striptease / Lapdances on party nights.

1 girl for 3H or 3 girls with 1H each cost 225€ ($300) (I prefer diff. Girls during the day and relax between sessions)

If a session is bad then just try another.

Hotel from 40€

Car rent from 90€ for the weekend.

Rio costs: 1 girl 3H ($300) , Entrance fee, tips, PDs, lady drinks. To get to know the girls and aim for taking her home before some other dude does, then back to your place and fuck her in the late night.

1 girl strategy could be a hit or miss, disaster or fantastic session.

How much is the cost to rent an apartment I Kiev. I like the idea of having a private party in the apartment with a buddy and 3-4 sexy girls.

LilJoey
02-27-12, 02:26
Hi Liljoey.

NRW is quite competitive with RIO in term of cost, the experience and adventure are of cause different.

GT, VV, LR, PHG, ACA, Samya ect.

All day-entrance 50€ (ACA less) , including food and drink and use of the wellness facilities.

Assuming 75€/h and free pre-sessions. Free striptease / Lapdances on party nights.

1 girl for 3H or 3 girls with 1H each cost 225€ ($300) (I prefer diff. Girls during the day and relax between sessions)

If a session is bad then just try another.

Hotel from 40€

Car rent from 90€ for the weekend.

Rio costs: 1 girl 3H ($300) , Entrance fee, tips, PDs, lady drinks. To get to know the girls and aim for taking her home before some other dude does, then back to your place and fuck her in the late night.

1 girl strategy could be a hit or miss, disaster or fantastic session.

How much is the cost to rent an apartment I Kiev. I like the idea of having a private party in the apartment with a buddy and 3-4 sexy girls.Nille, every girl I was interested in at VV (and there were not that many that were truly hot enough) demanded 50 + 50 for an hour and wouldn't do 75 / h. So I haven't broken through that lower priced door yet there.

But assuming there are guys that get the 75euro / hr price at NRW clubs like VV and Goldentime with girls as hot as Melissa (who is competitively hot enough to compare to the Kiev market) , then you are indeed correct that the costs for three hours of sessions at the NRW club would be 225 Euro, plus the 50 Euro entrance fee, totalling 275 Euro ($370 USD).

This lower NRW cost, that I didn't have access to, is competitive with what one would spend at Rio strip club in Kiev, since in addition to the girl fee of $300/3hours, one can easily spend up to another $100 USD (800 UAH) on strip club expenses (100 UAH entrance fee, private dances 200 UAH each, a 100 UAH tip for the manager at the bar where you are sitting, perhaps some 50 UAH tips for strippers that you want them to know they please you, and the cost of some drinks for yourself and perhaps a girl or two).

I also agree with your observation that it is an advantage that the 3 hours of sessions at the NRW club can be broken up among three different girls, and rest taken in between hour sessions so that more actual sex acts can be accomplished, and if one girl's performance is not stellar, then perhaps one of the other girls will do better. This is to be contrasted with the situation at Rio strip club in Kiev where the whole three hours must run continuously with the one girl for $300, and if she is no good then it is a $300 loss, and perhaps most guys will get off with having sex a maximum of two times in the three hour session, that includes transporting from the club, some pleasantries, conversation and drinks at your apartment, bathing or showering which all take up some time too. It's much more like normal life and not like the way it is at an FKK where everyone is bathed and naked and a moment away from throwing down a sheet on a nearby bed and starting to have sex.

For this very reason, I have taken girls out of Rio for longer than 3 hours. Many will come for the whole night for $400. If you can take them out in the earlier part of the evening, you get many more hours of time for a small marginal increase in cost. Utilizing this option will cause the hourly rate of Rio costs to come out lower than even the NRW reduced session costs of 75euro / hr for those guys that get that price.

Another thing I've done at Rio to minimize the problem of a girl not performing up to par, is to take out two girls at once as a duo. So that if one girl is lacking I focus my attentions on the other. Admittedly a costly adventure. But often in the synergy that happens when two girls are together, each feeding off of the others enthusiasm or excitement, it can result in more fun than just a mere mathematical doubling of available pussy.

Lastly, as is obvious, Rio is not a low cost venue suitable as a source for populating your apartment with 3. 4 sexy girls. Rio is a place where you can get a really hot girl in a fast and efficient way at a reasonable price per hour in comparison to the market, although it forces you to buy three such hours minimum. So for guys in town for only a couple of days, it works.

But for such a party of 3. 4 girls as you envision at your apartment, I would recommend to get down and dirty with the websites like mamba. Ru and top-modals. Com and other escort websites, and go thru the process of meeting girl after girl, until you find ones that you deem good enough. Such girls can be engaged at discounted rates for multiple hour parties, as well as just stay for an hour for $75 or $100. Maybe even shorten the process by telling a few internet escort agencies to send their top 4 girls for you to meet for a party. Keep those that are ok, Send back the rest.

LJ

LilJoey
02-27-12, 05:55
Hi Liljoey.

NRW is quite competitive with RIO in term of cost, the experience and adventure are of cause different.

How much is the cost to rent an apartment I Kiev. I like the idea of having a private party in the apartment with a buddy and 3-4 sexy girls.Apartment costs vary. You can look at what's possible on www.kievapts.com The company I have used to see pics and rates of apartments, as well as a number of other apartment rental companies mentioned on the Kiev thread as also reliable. I usually go for a luxury one bedroom in the range of $120 to $130 / nite. But I'm fussy and enjoy being with a girl in a nicer envoronment. Other guys are renting units for much less. Also last weekend I actually rented a nice two bedroom unit because of the location I desired for $130 / nite (97euro) , which if you split the costs with your buddy, would be maybe $65 (48euro) per guy per nite.

Nille Copenhagen
02-27-12, 08:14
This lower NRW cost, that I didn't have access to, is competitive with what one would spend at Rio strip club in Kiev,At VV the hourly rate is more tricky, this has been discussed before. It seems like the girls go for 100 / h, I do stress it's possible with 75 / h at VV, so it's up to your timing and luck and the "regular" advantage. In other NRW clubs the 75 / h rate is normal (Aca 80 / h, DV and Brends 100 / h).


Another thing I've done at Rio to minimize the problem of a girl not performing up to par, is to take out two girls at once as a duo. So that if one girl is lacking I focus my attentions on the other. Admittedly a costly adventure. But often in the synergy that happens when two girls are together, each feeding off of the others enthusiasm or excitement, it can result in more fun than just a mere mathematical doubling of available pussy.Well double up can also double the risk of a bad session, if the girls like to talk each other more than fuck or one girl is bored when you fuck the other. But I admit in general threesome is fun, just keep them busy.

NC

LilJoey
02-28-12, 10:34
Well double up can also double the risk of a bad session, if the girls like to talk each other more than fuck or one girl is bored when you fuck the other. But I admit in general threesome is fun, just keep them busy.

NCI have definitely been there before, Nille. I cut my teeth on doing threesomes in the beginning of my mongering career at the Delrey Hotel in San Jose, Costa Rica, a unique hotel, whose ground floor lobby and bars fill up nightly with between 75 to 100 "chicas" (Spanish for "girls") from various Latin American countries aside from Costa Rica, like Nicaragua, Panama, Columbia and Dominican Republic, who are WG's, and if one is staying at the hotel, it is quite a simple matter to proceed from the lobby up to your room for a session. The prices there are low in comparison to Europe. The standard price demanded by Delrey girls is $100 USD (75 Euro) per hour and $300 USD (223 Euro) for the night. This demand can be negotiated downwards depending on the hotness of the girl, the lateness of the hour and the number of prospects available, the usual factors of the supply and demand equation. Many guys report getting the hour for $60 (45 Euro) or $70 USD (52 Euro) etc. The Delrey girls are considered a more expensive option locally, since in the full service massage parlor brothels all around the same area of San Jose the price per hour asked is around $40 USD (30 Euro) to $60 USD (45 Euro). Getting back to the Delrey hotel lobby, the girls often pitch a duo, and at such comparatively low prices, I agreed a number of times, and I then saw the behaviors you described, of the girls talking to each other interfering with a good session, the second girl being bored going off into the bathroom etc. Instead of participating, etc.

STRATEGIES FOR A GOOD DUO SESSION: So having been there done that, I instituted a policy that I don't usually do a duo unless each of the two girls actually likes girls and is bisexual, and also unless I have previously sessioned with each girl solo and developed a relationship of my own with her. These two factors help a lot to producing a better duo session. And you are right. Keep them busy is the better strategy. Now since a guy has only one penis, he has to be creative with this sometimes.

One of the things I have done that works well for me, is to lay on my back and get one of the girls up above me facing above my head as I DATY. From this vantage point I can reach up to her breasts and can see her stomach and face and see the effect my tongue is having on her body. This girl is being pleasured and before long usually making a lot of emphatic sounds of arousal. At the same time these sounds I am making her produce are having an effect of exciting the second girl and I set the second girl to doing a nice blow job and eventually putting on a condom and starting to fuck me cowboy position while I continue to eat out her friend. The girls get excited from each other. If I time things right it is sometimes possible to get the girls to cum at the same time, or at least the one receiving the oral sex will cum, and then the serious fucking begins as I turn my attentions to the cowgirl and pin her down missionary, and get the other girl to kiss her nipples or her neck while I fuck her. Everyone stays involved if I can help it. A girl who likes girls can enjoy simply watching her friend get fucked. Nothing worse than letting one of them feel neglected.

I'm sure everyone has their own strategies for a good duo. In fact, I invite comment from other readers to share their ideas on this. Maybe I can learn a few pointers.

LJ

Nille Copenhagen
02-28-12, 11:17
I'm sure everyone has their own strategies for a good duo. In fact, I invite comment from other readers to share their ideas on this. Maybe I can learn a few pointers.

LJKnowing both girls is an advantage, I've also done threesome with new, unknown girls with success.

I had some times ago done a threesome with a pair of twins, that was fun. It's like fucking the same girl double.

I think we pretty much have the same strategy,

I like to doggy one girls while the other is behind me, rubbing her tits against while we DFK.

DATY and CG at the same time is also my favorite.

The most annoying thing is to change condoms between the girls.

For the girls, a threesome means less work for them as they share the load.

Sometimes I'm too tired and tell the girls do their work, relaxing in the Kino, watching porn while the 2 girls suck on my dick, now that is a good way to recharge your battery.

Breadman
02-28-12, 15:48
I'm very selective when it comes to latino women AND selecting dangerous hobby locations such as Rio and Costa rica, friends of mine have done many trips and have shared their photos and their close calls. Both have been enough to steer me to europe. I would like your opinion on how the women and the overall safety of your various hobby destinations. How do they stack up to europe?

Capt Dan
02-28-12, 21:47
Great discussion guys. I am appreciative of the information, particularly the info about Ukraine contained in Liljoey's posts. But you might consider continuing this conversation in the General Info section as it has little relevance to Villa Vertigo. Much thanks and I look forward to reading more :)

LilJoey
02-29-12, 04:02
I'm very selective when it comes to latino women AND selecting dangerous hobby locations such as Rio and Costa rica, friends of mine have done many trips and have shared their photos and their close calls. Both have been enough to steer me to europe. I would like your opinion on how the women and the overall safety of your various hobby destinations. How do they stack up to europe?Although to my mind comparisons of different mongering venues have relevance to each venue compared, in deference to CD's recommendation I have posted a reply to your question at the following link in the General Info thread:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1089-General-Info&p=1252838&viewfull=1#post1252838

LJ

Comvos2002
03-11-12, 03:08
Just back from VV on this Saturday evening (19:00. 01:00). Although somehow I managed to have a satisfactory time, I'll be critical. On looks!

Welcome not to VV but to the VC:. Villa of Cellulitis! Several ladies, as other visitors write, but not even ONE. 8 or 9, just a few 7 with strange attitudes, some 6 and a lot of 5 and 4s full of makeup and cellulitis. All the line up could really be part of that of a cheap port bordello.

I really wonder if I was unlucky or how else other visitors can ever compare such a poor line up with that one in GT?

Plus full of Romanian-Moldavian gangs of girls ready to negotiate everything and then try to screw you by charging you with extra price for time, services that they agreed but YOU always did not understood. Damn, this is so typical with these ladies that every club direction should finally take some measures: in the last years, Russian and Ukrainian ladies left together. With the old good times!

I find it improbable that I will return in VV.

Cheers.

Nille Copenhagen
03-11-12, 08:56
Just back from VV on this Saturday evening (19:00. 01:00). Although somehow I managed to have a satisfactory time, I'll be critical. On looks!

Welcome not to VV but to the VC:. Villa of Cellulitis! Several ladies, as other visitors write, but not even ONE. 8 or 9, just a few 7 with strange attitudes, some 6 and a lot of 5 and 4s full of makeup and cellulitis. All the line up could really be part of that of a cheap port bordello.

I really wonder if I was unlucky or how else other visitors can ever compare such a poor line up with that one in GT?

Plus full of Romanian-Moldavian gangs of girls ready to negotiate everything and then try to screw you by charging you with extra price for time, services that they agreed but YOU always did not understood. Damn, this is so typical with these ladies that every club direction should finally take some measures: in the last years, Russian and Ukrainian ladies left together. With the old good times!

I find it improbable that I will return in VV.

Cheers.This is not my impression of VV, Saturday night disco, normally some girls from other club like GT are also there, so you must unlucky with the line up. I find it strange that the girls tried to cheat you, the time is noted down when they pickup the key, so you can argue if you disagree. Who are the girls that tried screw you, any names?

Tjohoo
03-11-12, 11:15
Plus full of Romanian-Moldavian gangs of girls ready to negotiate everything and then try to screw you by charging you with extra price for time, services that they agreed but YOU always did not understood. Damn, this is so typical with these ladies50% (3) of your posts here have been about how bad you think about Romanian women I think you should follow your own advice in your first post here on ISG and stay away from them. That would lead to three positive things: You would be a happier man. The rest of us on ISG would not have to read your rude genralisations. And moreover, the Romanian women will be avalible for us who likes them.

T

Breadman
03-11-12, 14:02
50% (3) of your posts here have been about how bad you think about Romanian women I think you should follow your own advice in your first post here on ISG and stay away from them. That would lead to three positive things: You would be a happier man. The rest of us on ISG would not have to read your rude genralisations. And moreover, the Romanian women will be avalible for us who likes them.

TEvery other poster here states how he avoids Romanians, I don't find Comvos's Romanian comments that much different from half the others I've read before. His two posts on Romanian girls are actually tame in my opinion. Are you attacking his posts on Romanians to discredit his comments on the lineup at VV? It seems odd that VV would have such a weak lineup on a Saturday, might be that Comvos arrived early in the day?

Tjohoo
03-11-12, 14:16
Every other poster here states how he avoids Romanians, I don't find Comvos's Romanian comments that much different from half the others I've read before. His two posts on Romanian girls are actually tame in my opinion. Are you attacking his posts on Romanians to discredit his comments on the lineup at VV? It seems odd that VV would have such a weak lineup on a Saturday, might be that Comvos arrived early in the day?I don't like generalisations when it comes to things like race, colour or cultural background. Thats's all.

T

Capt Dan
03-12-12, 01:32
I don't particularly want to become the flag carrier for this club and in fairness to those who make negative comments about VV or indeed those who make negative comments about any FKK or Sauna Club for that matter, it is not going to happen that every monger will be delighted with every single FKK-Land Club. Even the best FKK & Sauna Clubs have their critics. VV is definitely a top tier club but is by no means perfect. I personally prefer to visit VV in the warmer months of the year when the magnificent garden is more inviting for daytime and evening time fun. However one particularly great thing about Villa Vertigo is that the girls who work in the club regularly feature on the VV Website and Blog. The lovely ladies in the attached photos are currently available in Villa Vertigo. I know because I have f*cked most of them :D All photos courtesy of the Villa Vertigo Website and Blog.

If you visit on a Friday or Saturday evening there will be at least another two dozen or more hookers of this quality available for no more than €100 / hr (or less if you are a regular). Villa Vertigo's management does seem to endeavour to have a varied mix of girls from many countries. But BE WARNED! Some of these girls will be from Romania :)

Check out the VV Website and Blog for more details:

www.villavertigo.de

www.saunaclub.com

Incidentally for anyone who is interested in visiting the club in the near future, there is a €5 voucher available on the VV Blog which is redeemable against admission up until the end of March 12.

Another great feature of this club (just like GoldenTime) is that it is within reasonably easy striking distance from both Weeze and Eindhoven Airports (provided you have an auto). If you are a European based monger (particularly if you are based in Britain & Ireland), you can consequently purchase low cost flights (sub-€50 return is possible from Britain) to both those airport destinations and be in the club in little more than an hour after arrival in FKK-Land.

I like this club and I am guilty of visiting from time to time but I accept that this place is not for everyone, particularly those who dislike fun club parties and Romanian hookers :D

CD

WebFoot
03-12-12, 19:34
It was about a year ago. I enjoyed it and thought it compared favorably to those I saw in Frankfurt (Palace and Oase). Fewer women that Oase, but seemed like good quality. However, it was a long drive to get there and I haven't visited it again because it is so far out of the way.

Comvos2002
03-13-12, 09:38
Thanks Breadman. I was there between 19. 00 and 01. 00. The line up was poor as I said.

Tjohoo I also accept your point of view and did not mean to offend the Romanians but I keep thinking that you need on average to negotiate two times better with them, compared to other nationalities, I just wanted to be helpful with other visitors.

But it seems that some fellows disagree with me so either I was unlucky either we should start a long discussion on looks: as I said you can have of course a nice time,

However for those who want to believe me, there were a lot of 5 and 6 ladies and there was not one single lady with 8 face and 8 body. No-way! I've seen that in GT but not here: the proof for me is that inside the parking there were plenty of free places and this is the second Saturday that this happens to me (been also there end of January).

Try to drive in GT on a Saturday evening and you'll need to go to park far in the bushes: that says a lot!

For the rest I also think that in this forum some advertisers of VV are also writing their opinion! .

Cheers

Big30
03-13-12, 16:53
However for those who want to believe me, there were a lot of 5 and 6 ladies and there was not one single lady with 8 face and 8 body. No-way! I've seen that in GT but not here: the proof for me is that inside the parking there were plenty of free places and this is the second Saturday that this happens to me (been also there end of January).

CheersLast Saturday in Planet Happy Garden (5 km's from VV) they had a party "Night of the Erotic stars". That attracted a lot of guests but also some VV girls. I spotted some of them already on the Friday evenening in PHG the day before. Also some LR girls made their way (only for the party?) to PHG.

Although 2008-2010 I was many times in VV, currently I prefer PHG and also LR above VV. Gt in NRW is still you could say the benchmark in NRW in terms of line-up but also when in Summer you can relax in the garden.

But club preference is also a matter of personal taste (and of time!) it can change as clubs can and will also change in time!

Capt Dan
03-14-12, 03:14
For the rest I also think that in this forum some advertisers of VV are also writing their opinion!I'm not sure who that remark is directed towards. Obviously towards one of the defenders of Villa Vertigo and probably myself. I would say this to you. Those defending the club are long standing members of this board and have offered their opinions on many topics besides this particular issue. You yourself heap praise on GoldenTime but no one accuses you of being planted by that club. It is true to say that the clubs will offer inducements (like reduced admission cost) to leading members of non-English speaking boards (particularly German boards) all of which are significantly more important and sizable than this small corner of ISG that is Germany FKK Clubs and its small band of regular posters/readers comprising mainly North Americans, Brits and Scandinavians (along with a few other English speaking Europeans) who by in large (as a group) travel infrequently enough to FKK-Land. Unfortunately as I only offer my opinions on ISG no one has seen fit to offer Captain Dan any such inducements. The adulation (or more likely scorn) from fellow ISG Members is the only inducement which I receive! Unfortunately!!

You have published your opinion of Villa Vertigo for all in this forum to see and when you do this others are entitled to disagree or agree with you. If someone disagrees with you, to cast aspersions towards what they say and why they say it is very poor defence for your case, particularly when what you say about those defending Villa Vertigo is completely untrue. In fact it calls into question your own credibility particularly when you have very little posting history.

They say that a picture paints a thousand words and the photos in my previous post are of girls currently working a programme in Villa Vertigo and I think that in the opinion of most they are not anything like the impression which you offer. An advantage for all mongers when dealing with this club is the fact that Villa Vertigo's management actually publish photos and details of some of the girls currently working in the club. Maybe you were unlucky and there was a function in another club which drew some of the usual weekend female attendees away from Villa Vertigo. However I do find the remarks in your brief club report to be slightly exaggerated at best. Hardly what you would find in a cheap port bordello.


Just back from VV on this Saturday evening (19:00. 01:00). Although somehow I managed to have a satisfactory time.Despite your negativity you state that you had a satisfactory time! Perhaps you would like to expand on your report and tell us which ladies you encountered last Saturday? This would add credibility to what you say and would also be of more benefit to fellow mongers. The devil is in the detail and you do not provide detail in your report. You do provide sweeping statements and consequently leave yourself open to be challenged. This is why I challenged you. I welcome your endeavour to contribute to this forum but the manner and severity of your criticism, along with the aspersions cast on those who disagree with you, definitely leaves a lot to be desired. What you say consequently seems to be more mischievous than informational.

I have said enough about this matter which is taking me away from planning my next assault on FKK-Land. Hopefully this sortie will be interesting enough to generate a few reports.

Thanks to all who have contributed to this discussion.

CD

Nille Copenhagen
03-15-12, 11:21
VV is not for everyone's taste.

VV is still one of my favorite clubs, I only visit VV during Fri-Sun.

And I always have good time with the girls mainly Romanians.

My impression is the girls are more relaxed and lay-backed at VV.

Big30
03-24-12, 15:08
From 01. April on we raise the entrance fee to € 60, 00 per day. We hope for the understanding of our guests, the prices never changed since more then 10 years.

http://www.saunaclub.com/

Nille Copenhagen
03-24-12, 16:32
Big30.

I don't think this is wise for VV, especially during the slow weekdays, they will get even less customer.

It seems like the clubs will follow GT and raise the price accordingly, how about ACA, LR, PHG, any news?

Jymondor
04-23-12, 21:23
Arrived at about 6:00 PM. Very crowded, but get much better after 9:00 PM. Lots of cars with Belgium and Holland license plates.

Line up generally was OK, but a couple of older uglies spoiled all impression. After ACA party I was not it in a big rush. After shower I sat down in non-smocking area preparing for some relaxation at the beginning. But in a few moments She entered the room.

#1. Mariel. She was stunning beautiful. Tall, slim, gorgeous shape, doll face. To be more formal: 10/10 (with one remark: I like girls with the B-size breast). Preventing anybody else to get her attention I immediately invited her to the sofa. Good English. She said that she is German from Dusseldorf. Works shifts as a nurse and besides works in VV two days per week for fun and extra cash 'for shopping'. Accent is definitely German. Nice conversation, lots of laughing, good sense of humour. In the room she said that she does not do any extras (CIM, Anal) , or she can do at ridiculously high price. I asked how ridiculous it can be. CIM = 100E, Anal = 300E. It is really ridiculous. And she clearly stated that she charges 50E for next half hour. A paid her 120E. 20E tip is not too much for such a session.

The session was excellent. Very rare gem: beautiful girl and great service. I was her first customer. She did not work three days before that. So she was fresh and frisky. She get naturally wet after combination DATY and DIGITS. I can even believe that she got real orgasm. Average BBBJ indeed.

#2. Nicolette. Very slim Romanian. I took her to the room only because her name was seen in this thread few times. Session was very standard and not bad at all. But after the session with Mariel this half-hour looked lousy. 50E, no tips.

#3. Arabian from Marocco Melek (or so). Very quiet girl. She was sitting all the time in the corner of the party room. We were waiting for the key of the room upstairs for about 20 min. I hate their rooms downstairs. She is not a beauty, but another excellent performance. Real DT! As I can see DT becomes more and more common in FKK and Sauna Clubs. I assume that girls learn that using DT they can save her pussies from being pounding too much. DT is really good treat.

No complains for long pounding, any positions, DIGITS allowed. DFK so-so. 100E because she also warned me that she charges 50E for next half-hour. It looks like 50+50 scheme becomes standard in VV.

Good day. Good club. The only drawback is weather. I could no enjoy they nice outdoor area.

Remark. I met there three very polite Arabian guys from Rotterdam (originally from Marocco). They told me that originally they headed to GT because of closer. But GT did not grant them entry telling that club is full. They did not discuss and headed to VV where were welcomed. Nice guys, but very oriental appearance made a bad joke to them in GT.

Nille Copenhagen
04-23-12, 21:53
#1. Mariel. She was stunning beautifulThanks for your report,

This new girl Mariel, do you know which day she works at VV, I sense she might not come there permanently.

Jymondor
04-24-12, 19:27
Thanks for your report,

This new girl Mariel, do you know which day she works at VV, I sense she might not come there permanently.She said. But. OK. I'll try: Wednesdays and Sundays. This should be correct because on Sunday she said that she had no sex for three days. She comes at 6:00PM and work until 1:00 AM. I asked her whether she comes to VV when she wants. She answered: No, these days are firm. She cannot skip her shift with no reason.

Nille Copenhagen
04-24-12, 19:40
She said. But. OK. I'll try: Wednesdays and Sundays.Thanks Jymondor, I'll try to catch her on a Sunday, Wednesday might be too boring at VV.

Willie Wonkers
05-03-12, 20:30
Been traveling thru Europe. Will report on findings later.

Missed my flight from Nice. Had to buy a new ticket a took a taxi in Nice one km and te taxi driver charged me 20 euro even though posted in the taxi was the 6. 40 minimum. He said his min was 20 euro.

Got to DUS one day late (thurs). Went straight to golden time. Turned down at the door.

Went to Villa.not very impressed at all. 4-5/25 worth 50euros.

First session Lilly said 21 yo. Prob true. Half Czeck half German. Looks my type 9. 5/10. Pierced left nipple and two tattoos later discovered. Terrible session! 25 euro extra to kiss. 25 extra for DATY and BBBJ only the tip. No deep throat. He did get wet though. No emotion. Mechanical. Asked her not to stop when I was close and she screams "I am not a machine!" terrible waste of 150 euro though she was smokin but with stria because he lost 15 kilos. Now 45 kilos. 5'7", small see cup. Toxic personality ruined it. Asked her if she didn't like me ir her job and got a vague answer. Claimed she lost weight horseback riding.

Things can only get better. Heading back in, at least the chicken was excellent!

About 25 girls. Best ones arrived at 6-7PM.

Hbengkok
05-04-12, 05:38
Been traveling thru Europe. Will report on findings later.

Got to DUS one day late (thurs). Went straight to golden time. Turned down at the door.Sorry for your bad experience.

Again GT turned down someone? I guess you have coloured skin, where are you from (if you don't mind).

This is a poem from Africa :

When I born, I black.

When I grow up, I black.

When I go in the sun, I black.

When I scared, I black.

When I sick, I black.

When I die, I still black.

And You White fellow (Golden Time teams.) :

When you born, you pink.

When you grow up, you white.

When you go in the sun, you red.

When you cold, you blue.

When you scared, you yellow.

When you sick, you green.

When you die, you gray.

And you calling me Coloured

Nille Copenhagen
05-05-12, 01:55
First session Lilly said 21 yo. Prob true. Half Czeck half German. Looks my type 9. 5/10. Pierced left nipple and two tattoos later discovered. Terrible session! 25 euro extra to kiss. 25 extra for DATY and BBBJ only the tip. No deep throat. He did get wet though. No emotion. Mechanical. Asked her not to stop when I was close and she screams "I am not a machine!" terrible waste of 150 euro though she was smokin but with stria because he lost 15 kilos. Now 45 kilos. 5'7", small see cup. Toxic personality ruined it. Asked her if she didn't like me ir her job and got a vague answer. Claimed she lost weight horseback riding.

Things can only get better. Heading back in, at least the chicken was excellent!Sound like Murphy's law.

Sorry about your bad luck with Lilly at VV, you don't need to pay extra for kiss and DATY.

The cure for a bad session is get back on your horse and take another girl.

Should go with the Romanian girls most of them provide good service.

SinglePro
05-17-12, 00:05
This is a late report that should have been posted few months ago. Arrived at the club around 1:00pm on Saturday. I finally got a hold of this shoulder length blond hair chic named Alexandra (about 25 yrs 5'5" with oval looking face). She has certain model look that captured me, but her tits were somewhat sagging as I later found out. She speaks English reasonably well and said she's half German-half Russian. I actually noticed her few days earlier, but she seemed to be always busy. She was with a guy for few hours in the room pretty much most of that night.

Anyway, I was her first customer this day. She asked if we could seat down and talked while she's getting coffee because she said she needed some caffeine to get her start the day. So, I agreed and ended up chatting for half hour before going to the room. She told me about her life and about doing escorting outside FKK club. I found her to be amazingly articulate and well versed. She definitely knows how to talk and can easily be a high class companion. To me, she was like one of those college classmate chic I wanted to f*ck.

After we got into the best room (top center) , she asked me to take a shower in there even though I already had taken one. Then, she took one herself. She said that she doesn't like dfk too much, so just light kissing. (I should have asked that before going to the room.) She did allow fingering and gave nice BBBJ. The session was decent but not passionate as I would hope. I was somewhat surprised that she asked for 150Euro even though we were in the room for about 1 hour. It seemed to me that she counted the half-hour+ pre-room chatting time as part of the session or something. I didn't really argue and gave her 150. I don't seem to see any post mentioning her name. Has anyone had experience with Alexandra? Other than her, I didn't really find anyone else appealing to me. For some reasons, I don't get a good feeling with this club.

Big30
05-17-12, 01:55
For some reasons, I don't get a good feeling with this club.You are not the only one.

Used to be a Big VV fan in the past 2008/2009/2010. The HW of this Club still is OK, the old villa, the garden, the rooms in the old building with showers. But something is missing there, the vibe, the good feeling, good girls, donnow!
In NRW VV currently most certainly is not the place to be.

B30

Sahar
05-17-12, 01:56
This is a late report that should have been posted few months ago. Arrived at the club around 1:00pm on Saturday. I didn't really find anyone else appealing to me. For some reasons, I don't get a good feeling with this club.Monsieur, you do not pay for the half hour chat before the room. This is the very very foolishness, I have heard. Are you very familiar with the FKK or Sauna Club in L'Allemagne? Have you been to the Villa Vertigo before? If you visit at 1:00pm you do not get the best selection of the ladies? Absolutely not! Most of the ladies they are still in the bed sleep. You must take what is there and not at sleep. This is a big mistake that you have made.

Sahar
05-17-12, 02:08
You are not the only one.

Used to be a Big VV fan in the past 2008/2009/2010. The HW of this Club still is OK, the old villa, the garden, the rooms in the old building with showers. But something is missing there, the vibe, the good feeling, good girls, donnow!

B30Many of the good girls Monsieur. Much good feeling. For the reasons which are not so clear some say VV is not so popular anymore with the proprietors of Ijs Beren Forum.

Jymondor
05-17-12, 02:12
In NRW VV currently most certainly is not the place to be. B30OK. What is the best place in NRW now? GT? Aca?

Sahar
05-17-12, 02:13
OK. What is the best place in NRW now? GT? Aca?There can be no doubt GT.... then perhaps Magnum or VV.

Hopefully Magnum will give the Polar Bears the freebies or it will not be popular like VV.

Yakob
05-17-12, 06:58
OK. What is the best place in NRW now? GT? Aca?What about Yin Yang? I have heard some good things about the line up, not so many Romanians was what was said, a few Germans, Russians, Baltics. Refurbished club, indoor pool, kino, sauna, etc.

Vitrea
06-23-12, 17:48
Nice facility. Food is average. Sunday free if you came during any other day of the week, prior to that Sunday. Not a bad deal if you have a few days.

Too many romanians. Couple of them are cute with hot bodies.

Liz is German and is a lot of fun. She talked me into doing it in the toilet. It was weird at first but different. We did it in the toilet next to the bar. (smile)

Vitrea
06-23-12, 17:49
What about Yin Yang? I have heard some good things about the line up, not so many Romanians was what was said, a few Germans, Russians, Baltics. Refurbished club, indoor pool, kino, sauna, etc.Very true that there are no Romanians. If you are looking for a respite from Romanians, that is the place to go. See my recent reports in dutch border section.

Milosh
07-01-12, 19:43
Hello everybody!

This is my first post on this forum, I am relatively new among mongers. I am planing to make my first FKK experience somewhere in the middle of July. I am going to be in NRW so I am going to visit Villa Vertigo and Golden Time. I was reading FKK forum for a few months now, and it seams to me that those two clubs are logical choices.

I will visit those clubs at Sunday and Monday. I need little advice from regular visitors. From what I have read here, I came to conclusion that for Sunday visit Villa Vertigo is better choice, and for Monday visit Golden Time is better choice. Is that thinking all right by your experience? If not what scenario do you recommend?

Comvos2002
07-02-12, 15:42
Does anybody know if Helena or Elen is back? She comes from Moldova, very nice tanned body, normal face but true GFE.

Simex
08-23-12, 00:44
many of the punters i speak to at gt, lr, hpg and acap telling me how vv has "dropped" off the cliff in the last 12 months.
i have not been for over 16 months, so cannot give a first hand account on how vv comparing.

it was hit and miss for me when i first went. there were some butt ugly ones which can help you retire
from punting for decades. then some nights the lineup can be fantastic. club like marmite, you either
love it or hate it.


gt has been crap lately. seems like a club suffering from [CodeWord128] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128) & needs some new blood. vv, not bad. lr & aca had great lineups last 2 weeks.

Jimmy Boy 99
08-23-12, 04:40
[QUOTE=Simex; 1318576]Many of the punters I speak to at GT, LR, HPG and Acap telling me how VV has "dropped" off the cliff in the last 12 months.

I have not been for over 16 months, so cannot give a first hand account on how VV comparing. QUOTE]

I was there twice at the end of July. There were three very good-looking Romanian blondes (Ebi, Jaqueline, and Maria) I sessioned wiith (two of them twice) , a good-looking brunette Romanian (Bridgette) who tried to cheat me on the time, as well as two other girls I didn't session with: a tall, Russian-looking blonde and a petite dark-haired Albanian girl who was the sexiest girl there but wouldn't have anything to do with me because she took umbrage at my assuming she was Romanian. These girls were at least the equal of, if not better than, the girls I saw at any of the other clubs I visited.

Jimmy Boy 99
08-23-12, 16:05
One thing I forgot to mention is that all the girls I sessioned with were 100 Euro for an hour, not the Euro 75 NWR standard price. I expect most of the other ones are also the same price.

Simex
08-23-12, 16:31
With the tall Russian-looking blonde, she the one that hangs out with the other tall brunnette Russian name Alexia or Alexander.

Agree 80% of my sessions in VV have always been 100 per hour. Happy to pay this if the lineup is consistently good.

Whereas in GT. 80% of my 1 hours sessions have always been 75€.


One thing I forgot to mention is that all the girls I sessioned with were 100 Euro for an hour, not the Euro 75 NWR standard price. I expect most of the other ones are also the same price.

Jimmy Boy 99
08-23-12, 22:53
[QUOTE=Simex; 1318831]With the tall Russian-looking blonde, she the one that hangs out with the other tall brunnette Russian name Alexia or Alexander. QUOTE]

I din't notice her hanging around with any tall brunette, just with a guy for a long time.

Yakob
08-30-12, 02:14
Many of the punters I speak to at GT, LR, HPG and Acap telling me how VV has "dropped" off the cliff in the last 12 months.

I have not been for over 16 months, so cannot give a first hand account on how VV comparing.

It was hit and miss for me when I first went. There were some butt ugly ones which can help you retire

From punting for decades. Then some nights the lineup can be fantastic. Club like marmite, you either

Love it or hate it.I heard the same as you Simex. Word is a few of the good VV girls have moved onto GT like Magdalena, LR, Acapulco and PHG.

On my visit to VV, there was only one girl in the entire line up that I would do and even then she was not the type that I go for. She looked Russian but was actually Rumenian. Milly. Long straight black hair with a fringe with grey eyes, tall, firm body with A cup breasts. She likes going with Turkish men. Real GFE in the room that blew my mind that day. I would repeat now that I know what she does in the room. Wanted 100€ for the hour when asked how much when paying at end.

Club is nice and the pool is a boon in the summer sun that has been out of late.

Like you the rest of the line up I found was uninteresting and pretty dead in terms of interaction. A few girls need to get on a treadmill. I will not be going back in a hurry.

Simex
08-30-12, 23:46
Is she the hot Romanian (cat 9/10) with dark hair, hangs out with another pretty Romanian.

When I typed in her number, she spelt her name as Madlen.

I missed out on her 2 weeks ago, was already late for my flight home, but

Promised to hook up with her for a 3 hour session on Monday 3rd September.

Can't wait.


I heard the same as you Simex. Word is a few of the good VV girls have moved onto GT like Magdalena, LR, Acapulco and PHG.

On my visit to VV, there was only one girl in the entire line up that I would do and even then she was not the type that I go for. She looked Russian but was actually Rumenian. Milly. Long straight black hair with a fringe with grey eyes, tall, firm body with A cup breasts. She likes going with Turkish men. Real GFE in the room that blew my mind that day. I would repeat now that I know what she does in the room. Wanted 100€ for the hour when asked how much when paying at end.

Club is nice and the pool is a boon in the summer sun that has been out of late.

Like you the rest of the line up I found was uninteresting and pretty dead in terms of interaction. A few girls need to get on a treadmill. I will not be going back in a hurry.

Yakob
09-09-12, 11:10
We arrived at the club at around 11:15. The car park was empty apart from one car which looked like it belonged to one of the employees. The sun was just getting up into the sky and it was boiling hot already. We are in happy August weather.

We go to the entry door in the new wing and buzz the bell for entry. We pay our entry of 60€ and receive our red robe and a red towel each. The lockers are no longer operated by a key blade but now use the same electronic lock activated by a chip magnet on your key ring that you find at Golden Time and Living Room. The key chip also acts as your recorder for any alcoholic drinks that you may order during your stay. This is an improvement from the key, locker tag and extra chip combination that made the key medallion unwieldy.

We go find our lockers, get unchanged into towels (since it is so hot wearing robes would be our death) and go have showers. Coffees are only served at the bar in the new wing so we head there first and take our coffees at the bar. The line-up is only starting to turn up. There is nothing that grabs my attention. Maybe I am tired from last night or the heat is making me lethargic. I am not interested.

There are a few customers, office and clerical types taking some time out to visit VV mainly but then a body builder type too which you normally see on the Friday and Saturday nights at VV.

With no charmers to make love to us or entice us since the girls do not approach, we go to the breakfast area in the old wing. We take cold cut meats, cheese, fruit flavoured yoghurt and bread rolls to break our fast. The sun is well in the sky now so we sit on the decked terrace off the old wing and admire the garden and pool area. The Villa Vertigo garden is landscaped really well and looked after. I would like to take tips from the landscaper for my garden at home. Magnificent manicured garden.

As we eat we see a most stunning Romanian girl, slim build, petite, perfect ass and legs, cute face, model looks. The way she fits her black bikini was just amazing. It is like she has been poured into it. Not an ounce of unwanted flesh anywhere on this girl. She has big curly light sandy mousey hair. It is her ass and legs that get me horny. They are perfect pins and I would love to put my hard cock in her asshole and give her good fuck up her ass. I say to my friend I have got to book that. She is mesmerizing. My friend is gobsmacked too. He says she is magnificent and I expect his balls long for her as well.

We continue to eat our breakfast and then we see the beautiful girl go and seek out the body builder type and they chat like old friends. Oh well, there goes only decent looking girl in the club. You get that in this hobby where the body builder types always get the best looking girls who spend all their club time with them and for no money too. You see a lot of that at World where the girls go for the younger muscle bound men.

We see Aina who is meant to be from Italy but probably from somewhere further north and east of the Austrian alps. She is short blond hair with a bit of fashion to it. A MILF. My friend had fucked her before but says he will not book again this day.

There are people moving out to lie on the cane loungers around the pool, the mattresses are on the cane beds. The focus is around the pool. Scanning the line up again, there is nothing that grabs the attention apart from one tall dark straight haired girl.

The gorgeous sandy haired girl with the perfect ass and legs has set up camp in the furthest corner of the pool on a covered bed with the body builder and they are just lying back enjoying the heat and not doing much and at times not even touching.

We go and take a nap by the pool on cane loungers. It is so hot so I go for a quick swim in the pool. It is a slow day so during the course of the afternoon the girls would get in the pool or take off their high heels so as to dip their feet in. The body builder guy takes his girl into the pool and she gets really upset when he dunks her and her long hair gets all wet. Quite funny seeing and hearing a small girl yelling at a giant muscle bound guy that she hates him.

Light planes fly low overhead as there is an airfield to the east of VV and VV always seems to be on their flight path. Funny that.

I go for lunch on my own and have a big bowl of chicken and vegetable soup on the Old Wing terrace. My friend berates me for having effectively two lunches by doing this.

At some stage I was approached by a black girl who calls herself Beyonce and she is from Jamaica. She has too big a booty for me so I decline her. There is another Black girl but I do not talk to her. So if you like black girls there are a couple of them working at VV.

I see Corina who is the Romanian girl with the gypsy look and tanned skin from FKK World. She is taking a break in the NRW clubs just like Jennifer is taking a break at Golden Time.

In the new wing I have been seeing that tall long straight dark haired girl. She wore a bikini and it did not look like her tits were good sized, maximum B cup if that. I had smiled at her a couple of times and given her a wink and a grin in passing but to no avail from her to come follow me as I walk past at a brisk pace. I was not ready anyway.

Finally I pluck up the balls and go over to her as she sitting on a two person couch watching the fashion TV and music videos on the plasma screen above the bar. She invites me to sit with her and is very cordial in her manner.

Her name is Melli or Milly and she is from Romania, straight black hair to past her shoulders, grey eyes in summer, but in winter her eyes can turn green she says. She says she studied economics at university and now she is studying politics. Tall, firm body, A cup breasts (sadly the hoped for B cup breasts were not to be due to the deception of the ruffles in the bikini bra) , long legs, well-tanned, no tattoos. Her body is firm all over, no soft yielding bits like you do on more mature women. Looks Russian due to the deep set eyes and many customers ask Milly if she is Russian. She looks good.

We sit and chat. We hold hands and touch each other politely as we talk. I touch her hands and arms and thighs and she rubs her hand along my thighs too. I decide for Milly to go get a key. Milly strides off to the booking office in the old wing for the key while I sit on the couch in the new wing. Milly comes back and says that there are no keys available for the rooms with bathroom that she wants. There are many rooms available and there are also the tents in the garden. I would like to fuck Milly in a tent since I have not done sex in a tent at VV before but I sense that Milly likes her comforts so I decide to decline a tent when I mention it to her as to how come there are no rooms when the club is dead.

We chat some more and after another 10 minutes she goes off to check with the booking office. My friend comes by and asks what the fuck am I doing? I say we are waiting for a room. He wonders why there are no rooms when there are like only a dozen customers in the club and most of them are on the terrace drinking beer. I say that the girl is particular. He moves on.

Milly comes back and she has a key this time. We head back to the old wing and walk upstairs to a room with an en-suite bathroom. Milly puts out the faded red bed sheet. Then we get comfortable.

Milly says her restrictions are no CIM or anal sex. It was okay I thought since for the last two days I have been having CIM endings. It is a sad thing that I cannot fuck Milly's asshole. She has an ample ass that is firm and inviting. I have to get a bit of that I think.

I find that Milly's service is Excellent. There is DFK and she does it like you are lovers. I feel up her firm body and grip her ass cheeks. Then she performs a slow BBBJ and nipple licking as I lie on my back and then some more kissing. No BLS.

I then break off and then get Milly to lie on her front so I can admire and feel her backside up. I part her ass cheeks and dive in and lick her asshole like Wanking would. I also lick her pussy and Milly moans deeply and grinds her ass back at me. I flip her over and spread her long legs apart and go to town on her twat. I lick and lick her pussy. Milly is getting really wet so fingers are okay and I frigged her wet pussy. No fingers in her asshole though as she squirmed when I tried to penetrate her asshole with my index finger. Milly fakes an orgasm to stop the torture being wrought on her pussy.

I stand up and have Milly kneel on the bed and she sucks my cock again. I admire the vision in the mirror to the side, of this good looking black haired girl on her knees, sucking my cock. I pull my cock from her wanton mouth and offer her my balls and Milly goes down and sucks and licks my balls. After a while I pull away and insert my cock shaft back in her mouth. I fuck her mouth and enjoy the feeling of my cock in her mouth in its entirety and the image in the mirror of this girl's face buried in my scrotum with my cock deep in her mouth.

I push Milly off me and get her to lie back down on her stomach. I go back to licking her asshole again. This time she allows some anal fingering from outside and lots of licking and kissing of her asshole. She is wet all over her ass and pussy area, the bed sheet has a huge wet patch from her juices and my saliva.

With Milly all lubed up I then climb onto Milly as she lies on her stomach, I place my cock in between her ass cheeks crack and frig her between her ass cheeks with my hard cock. Milly was really into it. This like Sex in prone doggy position but my cock is on the outside so it is safe. Milly pushed back and grinded her ass back at me onto my dick pushing my cock deeper into her ass crack to stimulate me. The skin to skin contact and the saliva / pussy juice lube create a wonderful feeling.

I put on a condom and penetrate her in the same lying on her stomach position. I fuck her and drive my cock deep inside her as far as it can go. I sweat from the exertion and having to hold my body up.

I roll off Milly and take a breather. I am old.

I make Milly lie on her stomach still. I then get back onto Milly and re-insert my cock into her pussy and fuck her some more building up to my climax. Just at the point of no return, I show some self-control and pull out of Milly. I whip the condom off and push it in between her pronounced ass cheeks and keep frigging her ass cheeks. The feeling is sensational of the skin to skin of the soft skin of her ass and my sensitive cock skin. I hump away and then I let rip a mighty blast of white gelatinous sperm up her backside. I am exhausted.

I roll off Milly and go get some paper towels to wipe my come off Milly's back. I also wipe myself down since I am dripping in sweat. Milly and I then lie side by side on the bed and cuddle and kiss. This is a real GFE. No rush, no hurrying to leave the room once you have come. She just will not stop kissing.

I get worried about the time since I do not keep time as my watch is absent. I mention how long we have been and she says nearly one hour. We kiss some more and I massage her back as we lie side by side with my free arm. With the time up and maybe more since it felt like it was so long in the room. We clean up and make the room tidy.

Back downstairs in the locker room we agree it is 1 hour and I just hand over 100€. I did not ask if the COB was extra or if she charges 75€ for one hour or 100€. I find most girls at VV charge 100€ for the hour so I assume the COB was gratis.

Checking the time on my watch finally, I think it was worth it for the 1 hour plus half hour couch time touching and fondling for 100€. Milly was wonderful and I would repeat with her. My notes read Milly from Romania, black hair, leggy, tall, GFE.

I go shower.

I take a sauna; I pour water into the repository for generating steam. The repository is still unrepaired from my last few visits since there is still a crack in it and so a lot of water escapes through the fissure and splashes onto the charcoal coloured tiled floor inside the sauna. I guess that the water dries up pretty quick but for a time that water creates a slip hazard for the uninitiated. I enjoy the heat. Once I am done with the sauna I go for a dip in the outdoor pool.

I see a tall blonde that looks demure turn up. She is German since she has the look and speaks it fluently. My friend is interested in her but she is not that pretty, more average looking.

There is also another German girl that is tall and a MILF. Other girl that catches my memory is a Romanian blond with her hair done up with pins. She may have been a prospect.

Dinner is served in the old wing. There is no barbeque today as there are not enough men. There is a selection of salads, cooked vegetables, chicken thighs, chicken kebabs, wurst and different types of pasta – spaghetti in tomato sauce and boiled and cooked chunky spatzle.

Some Asian guests turn up. They stand out since they move around in a group. The boss who is older than the younger hanger on guys takes a girl and once he is done the mass of Asians leave.

I am ready for another session now. I decide to make a play for the gorgeous sandy mousey coloured haired girl with the perfect ass. My friend and I go looking for her. As we walk from the terrace into the old wing we see her come out of the girls changing area with a huge suitcase like the ones you go on long haul travel with all dressed up in a tiny vest top and these sequined trousers that clung to her legs like a snake skin accentuating her best attributes which is her perfect shaped ass and proportionately long legs. The only customer she had today was the body builder I think. So there goes the girl with no name from I expect Romania. She is slim, perfect body, big blond streak mousy hair, perfect ass that spent from 11:00 to 16:00 with a body builder type and no other customers. Since she was leaving with her suitcase we expect she will not be working tomorrow so there was no incentive to come back the next day to see if she is at VV working.

Later in the evening the club's mainly German / Dutch clientele is replaced by mainly Turkish clientele. The girls seem to love spending time with the Turkish customers.

My friend went with. She has black hair in black fishnet stocking body suit and hails from Romania. I think he spent one hour with her. Maybe more.

While I waiting around I take another meal since I bored. This is so bad that I eat when I bored. I need more hobbies or I need to fuck more.

The VV managers exercise the two dogs that live in the enclosed yard that is adjacent to the sauna area. The dogs run around freely around the VV garden before being reined in by the gay manager with glasses as the woman manager takes a call.

The cute assed sandy blond haired girl is gone and so the only other girl that interests me is Milly. However, I have run out of luck as all the Turkish guys are monopolising Milly as they are monopolising all the best looking girls. The Turks are drinking bottles of alcohol with girls sitting with them and not going to the room in a hurry. I observe Milly waiting for the chance for her to free to make an introduction again, but she is not in a hurry to move from sitting with the Turkish men and when she finishes talking to one set of Turks she moves onto another set of Turkish men. They talk in English and not in German. Sounds disturbing.

My friend and I have coffees and make an assessment. We have plans for the morrow and there was no sense investing more time in VV as the vibe is dead to us and there were effectively no girls to choose from as the best ones are with the Turks.

We decide to leave so we go to get changed.

VV is a great club that is like Das 5 element or Sakura in interior design but the wellness area needs a lot more than what it has. The swimming pool is a huge boon though and the garden is extensive but not easily accessible since one must go down stairs to get to it. I would recommend club for its cleanliness, good food, management that care about the happiness of their guests and a decent enough line up but the girls on the day I went was poor for my tastes with maybe 3 that I could contemplate booking. We departed the club at around 23:45 having spent over 12 hours in the club.

Total damage for the day is 60€ entry and 100€ for Milly making 160€. A lot less than what I spend in a day in the Frankfurt clubs.

Nille Copenhagen
09-09-12, 16:49
Thanks Yakob for the report.

Sorry to hear that you spend 12h at VV and only fucked 1 girl. On the otherhand you spend less money.

Aina is from RO (some may say she is from Italy or HU) , but it doesn't matter to me, she is a nice girl who provides good GFE.

VV is one of my favorite clubs, I guess you visit the VV on a weekday due to your arriveal time. Weekdays are normally not the best time for VV.

I go there only on Fri-Sun, the atmosfere in the weekends would be more lively and fun with parties.

People have complained before that the girls hang out too much with the "Stammkunden"

At some point I visit the club often so we also hang out a lot with the girls.

But I understang it's not fun for occasional visitors.

Try the weekend next time.

NC

Yakob
09-09-12, 20:06
Nice report of Villa Vertigo. Yakob was saving money at VV by not spending money due to the poor line-up.

That comfirms GT and ACA still have the best line-up in NRW at the moment.

I hope VV can improve the line-up, because I really enjoy the club.Hi Nille,

The word is that in the last 6 months that are number of the better or popular girls have left VV to move to GT, LR, PHG and Acapulco. There is just not enough foot traffic from Sunday to Thursday to make VV their only club that they work at. It is only Friday and Saturdays that are lucrative which is why the girls move. It is known that GT is busy every day of the week and VV does not offer that to girls.

I would agree that GT and to an extent Acapulco offer the best line ups in NRW at present.

Yakob
09-09-12, 20:41
Thanks Yakob for the report.

Sorry to hear that you spend 12h at VV and only fucked 1 girl. On the otherhand you spend less money.

Aina is from RO (some may say she is from Italy or HU) , but it doesn't matter to me, she is a nice girl who provides good GFE.

VV is one of my favorite clubs, I guess you visit the VV on a weekday due to your arriveal time. Weekdays are normally not the best time for VV.

I go there only on Fri-Sun, the atmosfere in the weekends would be more lively and fun with parties.

People have complained before that the girls hang out too much with the "Stammkunden"

At some point I visit the club often so we also hang out a lot with the girls.

But I understang it's not fun for occasional visitors.

Try the weekend next time.It was no hardship to be at VV for 12 hours and only fucking one girl for 100€. I have a report to come where I was at World and fucked 7 girls in sessions totally 6. 5 hours recently. That cost 740€ and another visit to World where I fucked just 3 girls in sessions totalling 6. 5 hours and that was 850€.

Yes, I know Aina is from Romania.

I did visit VV on a weekday.

Friday and Saturday are the best days at VV. I have been a few times on those days. Sadly, I cannot always be at VV on those days. Work takes me away.

Yes, I have seen first hand where the regular guests monopolize the girls so that the other customers or the occassional visitor cannot book them and leave disappointed. I would add to the complaints of others that this is a problem at VV. You even have girls turning down customers as they are waiting for their sugar daddy to come see them.

I will take your advice in good order.

Simex
09-10-12, 20:27
AGREE. Was in ACA on Sunday as cut I short a 3 day Artemis visit to experience natural youth and attractive girls, compared to the Silicone Sharks in Artemis.

Girls I session with: Alina and Katy were also ex-VV girls.


Hi Nille,

The word is that in the last 6 months that are number of the better or popular girls have left VV to move to GT, LR, PHG and Acapulco. There is just not enough foot traffic from Sunday to Thursday to make VV their only club that they work at. It is only Friday and Saturdays that are lucrative which is why the girls move. It is known that GT is busy every day of the week and VV does not offer that to girls.

I would agree that GT and to an extent Acapulco offer the best line ups in NRW at present.

Pheasantplucker
09-23-12, 00:59
Had a very enjoyable evening at VV yesterday. Line-up was good and not many punters when I arrived at 18. 30.

After a meal. Food is also better than it used to be. The disco was being set-up and I came across Maria from Rumania.

Very much the pretty girl-next-door type and apparently only been in the business for 3 months.

Nice gentle action but no pussy licking. Spent an hour with her and had 2 pops. She studied Economics so is by no means a dumb-ass and easy to spend time with.

A rest and a few drinks later. The disco was getting much livelier with lots of Turkish guys by now and some interesting pole-dancing . I hooked up with Nicoletta also Rumanian.

Petite 24 yr old easy going GF type who's been in the business a couple of years and spent 1 of them in Madrid. More on the menu than Maria so managed 2 more pops.

Have fun.

PP

Yakob
10-22-12, 00:25
As we eat we see a most stunning Romanian girl, slim build, petite, perfect ass and legs, cute face, model looks. The way she fits her black bikini was just amazing. It is like she has been poured into it. Not an ounce of unwanted flesh anywhere on this girl. She has big curly light sandy mousey hair. It is her ass and legs that get me horny. They are perfect pins and I would love to put my hard cock in her asshole and give her good fuck up her ass. I say to my friend I have got to book that. She is mesmerizing. My friend is gobsmacked too. He says she is magnificent and I expect his balls long for her as well.This girl is Melissa from Albania. She is nice girl and likes to spend time entertaining her customers which explains the muscle bound and bald headed regular guests she has that book her all day inside and out of the room. Her hair is now straight which shows off her exotic looking face better. Her ass is to die for.

Yakob
10-22-12, 00:27
A rest and a few drinks later. The disco was getting much livelier with lots of Turkish guys by now and some interesting pole-dancing.I agree there are a lot of Turkish customers that frequent this club. Probably since they cannot go to Golden Time.

Yakob
10-23-12, 23:50
This girl is Melissa from Albania. She is nice girl and likes to spend time entertaining her customers which explains the muscle bound and bald headed regular guests she has that book her all day inside and out of the room. Her hair is now straight which shows off her exotic looking face better. Her ass is to die for.Melissa is really beautiful.

Yakob
10-24-12, 00:33
On my visit to VV, there was only one girl in the entire line up that I would do and even then she was not the type that I go for. She looked Russian but was actually Rumenian. Milly. Long straight black hair with a fringe with grey eyes, tall, firm body with A cup breasts. She likes going with Turkish men. Real GFE in the room that blew my mind that day. I would repeat now that I know what she does in the room. Wanted 100€ for the hour when asked how much when paying at end.Correction. Milly has blue eyes. A gorgeous combination with thick black hair, cute face, young looks, and a shapely ass and legs. I fucked her again. This session was not as intense as my last one. Still a good pick. You have to prise her away from the Turkish man since she always approach or is approached by the Turkish men. Pay for one room.

Yakob
10-24-12, 00:36
Cleo is a tall blond that has a Russian / Latvian look to her. Her tits are so so, maybe A/B cup. Okay ass, but a bit soft and round since she is tall, pale skin. She worked in England so she can speak good English. She kiss, she lick the balls, she suck my cock, she kiss my body, I perform DATY on her and then she suck my cock and lick my balls some more and then we fuck in many positions. We take 45 minutes and she ask the cost of 2 rooms. I will not repeat.

Yakob
10-24-12, 00:53
valeria is russian. she has blond good looks, blue eyes, slim body, smooth shapely ass, medium height and she wore a one piece black body suit that showed a bit of cleavage in a peek a boo cut out. we meet at bar in old wing and then she invite me to come sit with her brown haired friend ilona i think and share their long drinks. they friendly and their long drinks are nice to relax with.

i sit with valeria and she lets me feel her and relax her feets, thighs and shins and also her arms and neck. she get turned on and she takes the hint we go room. valeria finishes her orange long drink and goes gets the key. we get the penthouse and we get down to have some fun. she gets naked and i get naked and we jump onto the bed that we made together. valeria lets me feel her ass and then she pushes me onto the bed onto my back and then swallows my cock with her mouth. she takes it all and deep into her throat. i think my cock head is tickling her tonsils. her nose is tickling my lower stomach as she takes all my cock in her oral orifice. i really like the sensation her nose is making on my stomach as she tries to gag on my cock. she even lets me hold her head down when her deep throating makes me want to hump her mouth. she not let my cock go. i really like this.

we need get a condom and we fuck in missionary real hard and fast, then i pull out and get into doggy so i can feel her gorgeous shapely ass. i fuck her some more in doggy. then i pull out and lick her asshole and her pussy. i flip her over onto her back and spread her legs and daty until she comes. she allow digits but kept batting my hand away when i put the finger in her asshole. my other hand is groping her tits, fiddling with her nipples making them as hard as nails. she is squriming like a worm burning in the hot sun. then she screams at the top of her lungs and looks dishevelled and disorderly, she is fiddling with her pussy. good actress and good faker.

i go down to kiss her on her face lips and she allows but i realise she not allow really.

then i get valeria to lie on her stomach with her legs together and i re-enter her. i like this position since i can feel her firm and shapely ass and be in contact with her nice long legs. i pump away to the finish line.

cost is one room.

after room service was valeria would always notice me when we pass each other by in the club, she would smile and if coming up behind me she would pat my ass or flick her towel at me in an affectionate way. she has a smile on her face for the rest of the day during my visit.

recommend: repeat. i like her look and i like her suck. only issue she is not a kisser for me. maybe some other clients get it but not this one.

Simex
10-25-12, 00:59
does she hang out with another russian named alexia or alexander?


valeria is russian. she has blond good looks, blue eyes, slim body, smooth shapely ass, medium height and she wore a one piece black body suit that showed a bit of cleavage in a peek a boo cut out. we meet at bar in old wing and then she invite me to come sit with her brown haired friend ilona i think and share their long drinks. they friendly and their long drinks are nice to relax with.

Yakob
10-25-12, 07:48
Does she hang out with another Russian named Alexia or Alexander?No idea (kein ahnung). If you read my report she hang out with a girl who I think was called Ilona. She her same friend that I saw at Living Room where I wrote a report desribing where I went up to her and she said "later" when I asked if I could get to know her in the biblical sense. She wanted to talking to her friend since she had been locked up in a room for hours prior by a Dutch man. This was the same friend I saw her with at Villa Vertigo. I know that these two girls move between Living Room and Villa Vertigo since I see them at both clubs.

Who is Alexia and Alexander?

Indi Companion
10-25-12, 11:17
No idea (kein ahnung). If you read my report she hang out with a girl who I think was called Ilona. She her same friend that I saw at Living Room where I wrote a report desribing where I went up to her and she said "later" when I asked if I could get to know her in the biblical sense. She wanted to talking to her friend since she had been locked up in a room for hours prior by a Dutch man. This was the same friend I saw her with at Villa Vertigo. I know that these two girls move between Living Room and Villa Vertigo since I see them at both clubs.

Who is Alexia and Alexander?Alexia / alexandra is a slender brunette / strawberry blond (depending how her hair and mood are, but I saw her also with dark hair) reasobaly long hair. She usually works Thursday-Saturday and comes I the club late afternoon early evening. You could think she is gemran, that's the language she usually speaks and hangs around with the few german / german speaking girls in VV.

She has natural B cups and you can find her on Friday and Saturday parties at the bar close to the DJ area.

She is a very nice person, I spent a lot of time with her inside and putside the room.

She usually does not hang around with the other memebers of the Russian team because she feels more german tha Russian, however sometimes she has an occasional chat with the Russian girls.

I would for sure recommend her, she is really GFE, great BBBJ technique but take in mind that she very often asks for 100 / hour. She is worth it in my opinion but however it is not the regular price at this club.

Hans Gruberr
10-31-12, 09:59
Hi all,

Three of us are off to Germany on Monday 11th November and we're torn between VV and GT. We've never been to GT before but we've been to VV about 3 times, we certainly enjoy the calm relaxing atmosphere at VV and the girls are a pretty high standard usually.

The question is should we give GT a try? We've read a lot about the girls being a higher standard at GT but are we going to enjoy the atmosphere as much at GT as we would at VV, and is GT going to be packed out guys?

How would explain the differences between the two?

Any advice greatly appreciated.

Simex
11-01-12, 01:59
VV a good club, GT a better club. Period.

There are several stunners at VV, but when they are fully booked for the whole evening, there no contingency plan B for me,

Unless I hop to another club. GT, I personally find at least 10+ on my do list.

The only way to know is go to GT and judge yourself.


Hi all,

Three of us are off to Germany on Monday 11th November and we're torn between VV and GT. We've never been to GT before but we've been to VV about 3 times, we certainly enjoy the calm relaxing atmosphere at VV and the girls are a pretty high standard usually.

The question is should we give GT a try? We've read a lot about the girls being a higher standard at GT but are we going to enjoy the atmosphere as much at GT as we would at VV, and is GT going to be packed out guys?

How would explain the differences between the two?

Any advice greatly appreciated.

Simex
11-01-12, 02:16
This is the girl - spot on. She taught me how to make a girl orgasm with DATY in under 8 mins......there 5 simple steps and it works for most girls...
My punting days are more GFE, and less clinical and mechanical since I met this girl.

You simply know when a girl about to climax, she starts stroking your head/hair/hands and body, her hamstring muscles are twitching and having spasms and mini tremors.
Her g-spot starts to swell into the shape of a small coffee bean....and you increase the tempo and make regular circular tongue movements around the swell
g-spot. After she come, the sex gets better. Now her vaginal very sensitive and muscles around the Hymen & Labia relaxed and lubricated it's very easy to
give the girl her 2nd orgasm through penetration this way. You know the girl enjoying the sex when she starts to breath heavily, her hands are clamped around
your buttock/waist to assist with the deep penetration. She's making geniune noises and telling you not to stop or asking you to penetrate deeper and faster....



Alexia / alexandra is a slender brunette / strawberry blond (depending how her hair and mood are, but I saw her also with dark hair) reasobaly long hair. She usually works Thursday-Saturday and comes I the club late afternoon early evening. You could think she is gemran, that's the language she usually speaks and hangs around with the few german / german speaking girls in VV.

She has natural B cups and you can find her on Friday and Saturday parties at the bar close to the DJ area.

She is a very nice person, I spent a lot of time with her inside and putside the room.

She usually does not hang around with the other memebers of the Russian team because she feels more german tha Russian, however sometimes she has an occasional chat with the Russian girls.

I would for sure recommend her, she is really GFE, great BBBJ technique but take in mind that she very often asks for 100 / hour. She is worth it in my opinion but however it is not the regular price at this club.

Hans Gruberr
11-01-12, 10:15
Thanks for the advice.

If we go on a Monday evening to GT is it going to be very busy? Is there a wait for girls?

Obviously the quality of girls is very important, however VV is also a nice relaxing atmosphere, do you get that at GT?

Thanks


VV a good club, GT a better club. Period.

There are several stunners at VV, but when they are fully booked for the whole evening, there no contingency plan B for me,

Unless I hop to another club. GT, I personally find at least 10+ on my do list.

The only way to know is go to GT and judge yourself.

Simex
11-02-12, 00:55
The GT lineup would be good. Won't be busy. But get there early.


Thanks for the advice.

If we go on a Monday evening to GT is it going to be very busy? Is there a wait for girls?

Obviously the quality of girls is very important, however VV is also a nice relaxing atmosphere, do you get that at GT?

Thanks

Member #4654
11-06-12, 02:24
Hello Everyone,

I was wondering about comparison between the two clubs Villa Vertigo & Samya. Specifically, if you could compare & contrast in terms of looks of the girls & the club approach policy. I am already making my NRW target club list for next year (talk about advance planning. LOL).

Thanks!

JJ

Banana Boi
12-16-12, 12:43
Villa Vertigo – I didn't get too much of a good vibe according to the reviews but I had a very good time here on Friday. Came in shortly after open and stayed till early evening. Facilities are great. I like the smoking and non-smoking bars. Most girls hang out in the smoking bar so if you want to rest, there are couches in the non-smoking side. The lineup is very good and comparable to GT with GT having a slight lead. WiFi is horrible here. Also saw two Asians here.I had all but written off VV but this post makes me wonder. IF VV's lineup is even close to GT I will re-add it to my roster. How many girls would be at VV on an early week day / night shift (Sun-Tue)?

Someone wrote that the hot girls are fully booked for the night. What time would I need to be there to prevent this issue?

Yakob
12-16-12, 13:58
I had all but written off VV but this post makes me wonder. IF VV's lineup is even close to GT I will re-add it to my roster. How many girls would be at VV on an early week day / night shift (Sun-Tue)?

Someone wrote that the hot girls are fully booked for the night. What time would I need to be there to prevent this issue?My last trips to Villa Vertigo were in October so maybe no so relevant. Fridays was good but the Sunday took some time to get started but my late afternoon you had the line up in swing but it no Golden Time.

If you do go then look for Valeria if she is there. See my report below. Valeria normal works at Living Room but she moon lights at Villa Vertigo. I like her suck and fuck but she no so much a kisser.

Indi Companion
12-16-12, 17:11
this is the girl. spot on. she taught me how to make a girl orgasm with daty in under 8 mins. there 5 simple steps and it works for most girls.

my punting days are more gfe, and less clinical and mechanical since i met this girl.

you simply know when a girl about to climax, she starts stroking your head / hair / hands and body, her hamstring muscles are twitching and having spasms and mini tremors.

her g-spot starts to swell into the shape of a small coffee bean. and you increase the tempo and make regular circular tongue movements around the swell.

g-spot. after she come, the sex gets better. now her vaginal very sensitive and muscles around the hymen & labia relaxed and lubricated it's very easy to

give the girl her 2nd orgasm through penetration this way. you know the girl enjoying the sex when she starts to breath heavily, her hands are clamped around

your buttock / waist to assist with the deep penetration. she's making geniune noises and telling you not to stop or asking you to penetrate deeper and faster.yes alexia is a great girl in every aspect. if you look at her body and think she gave birth twice you cannot believe it!

i am happy you went with her through her famous daty speed course, it can be sometime very useful!

it is possible i will be back in nrw over my new year trip for a couple of days, but most likely it will be gt because over weekends i will be with my friend in fra.

Yakob
12-18-12, 00:43
How do VV verify you we're there earlier during the week?

Is the lineup worth going even with the free admission?You put your name down at reception on their log of visitors and obtain a receipt signed by the manager that you have been in the club any of Monday to Saturday prior to the Sunday. On the note you get they put your original locker number down for some reason I cannot fathom.

Yes, the line-up is decent enough on a Sunday if you are not looking to fuck 10 girls like some fucking machines here do. I can find maybe 1-3 girls out of the line up that I would like carnal relations with for 50€ or more. I have to push to get that 1-3 girls but it is no hardship to wait out the girls as they arrive later on in the afternoon and evening.

The Sunday brunch at Villa Vertigo is a buffet and is quite nice with creamy scrambled eggs and extra crispy streaky bacon and smooth smoked salmon. Much better than the shit you get at Acapulco.

Trans Atlantic
12-18-12, 03:39
Thanks. Will check out VV on Sunday on next trip assuming they continue with this promo in 2013.

Yakob
12-18-12, 08:48
Thanks. Will check out VV on Sunday on next trip assuming they continue with this promo in 2013.Yes you must visit Villa Vertigo to widen the club experience.

I think if I no visit Villa Vertigo then my experience would be less richer for it. There are naysayers about Villa Vertigo including me sometimes but the clubs have highs and lows and the best experience is your personal one when you are in the club regardless of what others say. You need to go find out what works for you and not what works for someone who no have the same background and tastes as you.

Trans Atlantic
12-19-12, 04:17
Yes you must visit Villa Vertigo to widen the club experience.

I think if I no visit Villa Vertigo then my experience would be less richer for it. There are naysayers about Villa Vertigo including me sometimes but the clubs have highs and lows and the best experience is your personal one when you are in the club regardless of what others say. You need to go find out what works for you and not what works for someone who no have the same background and tastes as you.Thanks. I was at VV last Friday and Saturday thus I inquired about how they track for Sunday and whether it is worth the free admission.

The lineup was good, not GT good, but good enough. However food is nowhere near GT.

I do like the non-smoking wing.

Does VV have a kino?

Yakob
12-20-12, 04:48
Hello Everyone,

I was wondering about comparison between the two clubs Villa Vertigo & Samya. Specifically, if you could compare & contrast in terms of looks of the girls & the club approach policy. I am already making my NRW target club list for next year (talk about advance planning. LOL).

Thanks!

JJLooks depends on your tastes. I can usually find some twenty something female that will take my euro for a fuck. The no approach policy in both clubs is frustrating since you no know if the girl she wait for her regular and that is why she disinterested or she is interested and she not know you interested so she no bother. Some girls just do not make eye contact and actually are available and then some girls are easier since they are constantly scanning for the room for a horny man. Both to me are the same frustrating situation where one must work with the situation in hand. The interesting thing is I have more fun times at Samya due to the constant up for a party vibe than at sedate Villa Vertigo except for Friday and Saturday at Villa Vertigo. Villa Vertigo is much easier club for me to get to since the drive is so much shorter.

Trans Atlantic
12-20-12, 05:39
Were you not there last Fri & Sat? No Kino.Just confirming there is no kino. The ground floor are the two bars, lockers, and sauna. The rooms are upstairs.

Member #4654
12-23-12, 21:42
Looks depends on your tastes. I can usually find some twenty something female that will take my euro for a fuck. The no approach policy in both clubs is frustrating since you no know if the girl she wait for her regular and that is why she disinterested or she is interested and she not know you interested so she no bother. Some girls just do not make eye contact and actually are available and then some girls are easier since they are constantly scanning for the room for a horny man. Both to me are the same frustrating situation where one must work with the situation in hand. The interesting thing is I have more fun times at Samya due to the constant up for a party vibe than at sedate Villa Vertigo except for Friday and Saturday at Villa Vertigo. Villa Vertigo is much easier club for me to get to since the drive is so much shorter.Yakob, Thanks for the info, I might as well try both of them and decide which one works for me best, esp since I plan to be there for just over three weeks. The lack of eye contact does bother me too. I've experienced this in Aca & a bit in Palace.

Yakob
12-26-12, 12:20
Yakob, Thanks for the info, I might as well try both of them and decide which one works for me best, esp since I plan to be there for just over three weeks. The lack of eye contact does bother me too. I've experienced this in Aca & a bit in Palace.There are other options too like Magnum which you can try or Dolce Vita which are in the area. You never know unless you visit. One man's sweet is another man's sour taste.

It appears that you have time so make the most of the situation.

Lack of eye contact is unnerving. It feels like you are in the market buying goods and not interacting with them as human beings that have emotions and interests of their own. Some here like the girls to be like that since it helps them cope with the situation.

I think at Palace it is more a case of not being interested as opposed to the club policy that the hoes do not make eye contact.

Yakob
12-26-12, 12:25
Just confirming there is no kino. The ground floor are the two bars, lockers, and sauna. The rooms are upstairs.Villa Vertigo when it first started did have a home cinema showing porno movies which was a really comfortable tier mattress affair akin to what you see at Palace and World. The locker situation got into crisis as the club become more popular so the lockers behind the bar area in the new wing was created on the ashes of the cinema.

The ground floor has two bars as you say. One in the old wing smoking area and one bar in the new wing non smoking area. The downside of the old wing bar is that you cannot request a coffee from that side since the facilities are not available. One must hike to the new wing for their coffee fix.

The sauna is a odd set up facing into the new wing bar area. So you can drink your coffee and stare at old and fat fully naked hairy men sweating their asses off. I guess it works for some and I am sure the girls get really horny waiting for these hot and bothered men to come book them.

Kentucky Fried
02-04-13, 01:14
Hey all,

Just my thoughts on yesterdays visit.

Started out with a quick scan of the forum to see what club to attend. As most topics were too specific, eg, chick was stuck up, chick was hot, chick was, etc, I just decided to choose based on the club I enjoy hanging out in the most. Since I like V. V's decor and amenities, and I don't smoke, this was my end preference.

I rolled up early at 3. 30pm as it is a long drive for me to get there. I was one of about 8 guys I guess, and there were many girls there already. 20+. I felt a bit sorry for the girls because it stayed at about 8 guys until about 9pm.

But this isn't a post about what girl I 'did', or whether I enjoyed myself. Instead it is about my observations, and maybe some one can piece them together for me?

Observation 1

Most of the girls I talked to were Romanians, and this is happy for me since they are fairly good looking, and have a diversity in there population to probably cater for most tastes. However, yesterday was almost exclusively Romanians, which led me to a humourous conclusion, but also curious intrigue.

The humourous conclusion is that the sex industry is well and truly fucked if the Romanian economy ever gets any good. If they were in the EU I am sure Brussels would sanction them for monopolising the sex worker game.

The intriguing question though, is that Ukraine also has a fucked up economy, as well as Bulgaria, and some parts of Poland, the Balkans, and Russia. But why are there so few girls from these countries who are working in the clubs nowadays?

Like I say, it always used to have an over-representation of Romanian girls, but now it is almost exclusive?

Observation 2

But the night continued on anyhows and I had my beers, juices, coffees, and looked at and chatted to the girls.

The first odd thing that occurred to me was that one group of girls pretty much kept to themselves all night. Now in hindisght, I wish I had just gone over to chat to them out of curiosity alone, but in my first drink at the bar I didn't get much vibe coming off them, ie, looking at me, so thought maybe they just preferred another type of guy. Usually I don't pull at nightclubs, but for a working girl I am fairly bread and butter money, being tall, slim, and clean looking. But it's not offensive to me if a girl prefers jam on her toast instead, so I just presumed this was the situation early on.

However for the rest of the night I didn't observe these girls approach any guys at all, and not only that, but they didn't even 'linger' around bar areas either. Most of their time they sat on the couches in the non-smoking section happily chatting to each other.

Now I spent my non-room time sitting at the bar in the non-smoking section and would look over occasionally and wonder why they didn't just casually come to the bar and talk to some of the in-offensive men sitting there. But like I say, during their conversations I didn't even see glances as to what 'sales' opportunities were about.

Now they appeared happy enough, so I don't think their behaviour was due to any malice or discontent, but it did make me curious.

Anyone have experience of that and an idea of what was happening?

Observation 3

The girls that did come over to me often did so in pairs. On a few of these occasions, one of the pair would be distinctly uninterested. At the time I didn't quite make sense of this, why would a girl come say hi but then not bother engaging in the conversation that was being made? It seems to me that the 'silent partner' was actually a more experienced girl who was just trying to act as support for a new girl in approaching a man / customer. If I had thought of this earlier I would have been far more sympathetic to the girl, not that I was an arse or anything, but it would have helped me read the situation differently.

The new girls had been a bit, well, crazy, but I think this may have just been nerves. Seriously. Initially it's strange too think that the girls could be nervous chatting to men who have paid money to enter a club where they can pay more money to sleep with a girl, ie, The girls aren't in any confusion as to why the men are there. But I guess from the girls point of view, while she is still adjusting, it can be nerve wracking to approach men and offer sex, and be turned away.

If I had thought of this at the time, I would have tried to put the girl more at ease, but instead I was kind of thinking the girl was looking to hook a sale and I didn't want to waste her time by just chatting with her when she could have been earning from some other guy.

Looking back on it, the girls conversations reminded me of the kind of conversations I would attempt with girls when I was 18+, just a bit unsure of how to impress a girl etc. Now I am double that, I am much better at conversations because I'm pretty sure there's no way that I am going to impress the girl in 15 minutes, but that is a luxury a working girl doesn't have I guess.

Observation 4

I spent some good room time with one girl who was very beautiful, and while making conversation afterwards about a work opportunity she might be able to do for my company (pretty sales girl at local trade fairs) , she said that she (and her friend) live at V. V and aren't allowed to do outside work.

Was this just because it was the first time she had met me, and a good declining line, or is there something more to this, like control of the girls etc?

So those were my observations, of course the sex was good, and the night worthwhile. Hope the girls do well.

Yakob
02-04-13, 06:41
That is really dire that until 8-9pm there was but 8 customers and this is with the free entry on Sundays deal if yiu have been bevor earlier in the same week?

Also 20 girls is low too but is not beyond imagination.

I hope things improve or VV drop off the radar.

Even the pimps / managers may move their girls elsewhere if it that bad.

Trans Atlantic
02-09-13, 06:24
My last trips to Villa Vertigo were in October so maybe no so relevant. Fridays was good but the Sunday took some time to get started but my late afternoon you had the line up in swing but it no Golden Time.

If you do go then look for Valeria if she is there. See my report below. Valeria normal works at Living Room but she moon lights at Villa Vertigo. I like her suck and fuck but she no so much a kisser.Any updates on Valeria? What's her schedule like at each place? Thanks. Will be in NRW on a Thursday and Saturday.

Yakob
02-11-13, 08:42
Any updates on Valeria? What's her schedule like at each place? Thanks. Will be in NRW on a Thursday and Saturday.LOL, you are likely to find Valeria at Living Room on those days you mention.

Trans Atlantic
03-08-13, 07:48
Is VV still offering the free Sunday entry if I visited earlier during the week?

Ossian
03-16-13, 13:23
Anybody know if Aina is back at VV or long gone?

Kommodore
03-16-13, 16:46
Anybody know if Aina is back at VV or long gone?She was there about a year ago when I last visited VV. Don't know if she's still there.

Yakob
03-17-13, 05:36
Is VV still offering the free Sunday entry if I visited earlier during the week?I hope so. It is a good deal. I took advantage of it in 2012. I expect to find out soon enough when I visit again now winter is receding.

Zizzo1
05-25-13, 11:08
Two years ago I met a Czech girl high (175) brunette, blue eyes, named teona if I remember correctly. She was very good with the GFE and sucked like a possessed, no one can tell me if you can still find her at Villa? There are still Czech girls in VV?

Thanks

Yakob
06-10-13, 23:01
These three clubs look to me as fast paced industrial facilities. Like a f*ng conveyor. The best merchandize we use made on conveyors as well. So conveyor is not a bad thing and those clubs feature the best girls.

I liked Villa Vertigo on Fridays in 2010-2011. I don't know what happened to this club, why it went down.Whilst at Magnum I did speak to some fellow club goers from the Koln area. They agreed that Golden Time was a fuck factory. It was the same when I spoke to Belgian club goers when at Yin Yang that Golden Time was where you go for the hard commercial sex for sale.

Regarding Villa Vertigo. I seriously loved what was happening with this club as you directed but these past year and the last one it has been not the same. Even talking to some girls who did try some stints at Villa Vertigo it is not the same experience.

Now with the smoking outside it is so different that the life is moved to the terrace. We await what is the situation come the snows. Winter is coming.

Jymondor
06-14-13, 21:51
Whilst at Magnum I did speak to some fellow club goers from the Koln area. They agreed that Golden Time was a fuck factory. It was the same when I spoke to Belgian club goers when at Yin Yang that Golden Time was where you go for the hard commercial sex for sale.

Regarding Villa Vertigo. I seriously loved what was happening with this club as you directed but these past year and the last one it has been not the same. Even talking to some girls who did try some stints at Villa Vertigo it is not the same experience.

Now with the smoking outside it is so different that the life is moved to the terrace. We await what is the situation come the snows. Winter is coming.I am thinking where should I go tomorrow (Saturday). I am around Dusseldorf Airport. Acapulco? Saturday is bad day in Acapulco. No place to sit. I hate hanging in front of small lockers with the glass. Panthera? Was disappointed last Saturday. Magnum? No, thanks.

I still remember great Saturdays in Villa Vertigo. Is there any seance to see what happening there? Or best days are in the past and I will waste my time?

Yakob
06-15-13, 00:56
i am thinking where should i go tomorrow (saturday). i am around dusseldorf airport. acapulco? saturday is bad day in acapulco. no place to sit. i hate hanging in front of small lockers with the glass. panthera? was disappointed last saturday. magnum? no, thanks.

i still remember great saturdays in villa vertigo. is there any seance to see what happening there? or best days are in the past and i will waste my time?jymonder,

when you were at pabthera i was at magnum. it was catastrophe. i only did three girls and all were romanian except fpr one who claimed by her own admission she was a greek turkish mixed girl that used to work at acapulco. she was fabiana. also [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) is commended but she gf of the kolners.

golden time on sunday was really great. a variety of girls and i got what i wanted but i spent 350 euro on my 2 sessions and alao had a nice half hour massage for 30 euro.

golden time on friday this week was good but not so many romanians. mariana, celine, romina, et al were not in the house. instead it was mainly polen and germans. i fuck german girls all day since that was all i was meeting. blonde ones and brunette ones.

i avoid villa vertigo again as i still hear the bad reports.

we see for saturday.

Trans Atlantic
06-15-13, 01:31
when you were at pabthera i was at magnum. it was catastrophe. i only did three girls and all were romanian except fpr one who claimed by her own admission she was a greek turkish mixed girl that used to work at acapulco. she was fabiana. also [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) is commended but she gf of the kolners.yakob were you at magnum on friday? i'll be in nrw first week of july. wondering if i should skip magnum completely. originally planning to give magnum another chance and visit on friday evening since the lineup on a saturday back in april was horrible.

Jymondor
06-15-13, 08:25
Yakob Were you at Magnum on Friday? I'll be in NRW first week of July. Wondering if I should skip Magnum completely. Originally planning to give Magnum another chance and visit on Friday evening since the lineup on a Saturday back in April was horrible.I gave Magnum three chances in about equal interval. I could not believe that such a big club located so conveniently will not attract best girls from Acapulco and other club. But this not happening. Neither lineup no atmosphere show any sign of improvement. Sad.

Yakob
06-15-13, 08:26
yakob were you at magnum on friday? i'll be in nrw first week of july. wondering if i should skip magnum completely. originally planning to give magnum another chance and visit on friday evening since the lineup on a saturday back in april was horrible.trans atlantic,

the line out on saturday in june was no good as well let alone april. some would be bwttwr off beating your self off wiyh your own hand while in the kino to save their money. this is just my opinion. in the end it is always your decision

i say bevore, read the reports of guys and find if their taste in women are the same as yiurs and then yiu knkw when someone says the line up is good then it is good and when someone says its bad then it may stil be good since their tasyes are torally different to mine.

this is why when some guys dispute that thwy gwt gfe and have the best time i discount what they saay sinxe i know the reports and the haraxtwrs and know that what they like is way off what they like.

it is like some guys saying mitzi at living room is fantastic looker and i know mitzi too but to me she is a woof woof so i know when they say the line up is stellar i must serve that recommendation with a truckload of salt.

anyways it was a saturday and thete was but 30 girls there. you keptbumping into the same girls all the time.

it qas a lively warm wwekend so many girla may have migrated to other clybs.

but then also the men knew that too. back in march there were heaps of mans too in magnum such that 1am the mans were queuing to be fed in the dining room but this june when i have bewn to magnum you can sit nicely down at 1am at q table of your choice and be servrd promptly. yiu may recall reports of guys waiting 1 hour for their food. here i was getting my foods within minutes.

i still managwd to find 3 hookers to bang and spent 260 euro on them. they was estefania, fabiana and [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901).

Yakob
06-15-13, 08:33
I gave Magnum three chances in about equal interval. I could not believe that such a big club located so conveniently will not attract best girls from Acapulco and other club. But this not happening. Neither lineup no atmosphere show any sign of improvement. Sad.This is moat atrqnge and curious. Whatevwr is the case it is not attracting the necessary critifal mass of hookers.

Mayve since Magnum is not controlled by a biker gang or Turks like many of the larger clubs are byt then that does not explain the success of Golden Time.

I agree that Magnum will now be attend in my subjectivw opinion if ut is cold and wer outside and you can take advantage of the innards of this spaciosu club.

Line up is not so good at thia time for my tastes.

Where to today Jymonder?

Jymondor
06-15-13, 09:49
Where to today Jymonder?I am in ETAP Dusseldorf North heavily thinking where to go tonight. No hunger for sex. Completely drained in ACA an V-Venus. This is third straight day. Before 9 more days with two three-day intervals. Looking for good atmosphere and fun. Sure with this approach I'd rather be in Frankfurt. Mainhatten would be an ideal choice. But too long drive. Any advice?

Yakob
06-15-13, 09:53
ETAP Dusseldorf North heavily thinking where to go tonight. No hunger for sex. Completely drained in ACA an V-Venus. This is third straight day. Before 9 more days with two three-day intervals. Looking for good atmosphere and fun. Sure with this approach I'd rather to be in Frankfurt. Mainhatten would be an ideal choice. But too long drive. Any advice?Read the Planet Happy Garden thread. There is a white party on.

Yiu can also see the testimonials of Pussyliccer and Uktra happy that the firls put their heart and souls into their cuatomers and to partying until closibg tine.

Also a man from Toronto told me that PHG is doing really well for line out.

Jymondor
06-15-13, 10:05
Read the Planet Happy Garden thread. There is a white party on.

Yiu can also see the testimonials of Pussyliccer and Uktra happy that the firls put their heart and souls into their cuatomers and to partying until closibg tine.

Also a man from Toronto told me that PHG is doing really well for line out.Maybe! Should I eat well before to go there? Or food is available? What is the better time to show up there?

Yakob
06-15-13, 12:03
Maybe! Should I eat well before to go there? Or food is available? What is the better time to show up there?Full cooked breakfast and bufet. In abends there is bbq and since it party the food is extra special. The day js windy but the area js covered. All the girls are in whitr ans aince yiu are in a white robe you will be in white too.

Phg is a night club so relax in day and enjoy the club to 3am. Also there is by night next door to enjoy.

Ky Daddy
07-14-13, 16:13
Does anyone talk about VV on the VV thread?

Jimmy Boy 99
07-14-13, 23:25
VV seems to be doing fine without any coverage on ISG as they are able to attract very good-looking girls to work there. Went there on a Friday at the end of June and on the next Sunday (free admission) after Club Angelique. Although the lineup wasn't the biggest (by far) it probably had more good-looking girls than the other clubs I went to on this trip. I did a half-hour with Maria, a mid-twenties Romanian blonde I sessioned with last year; a very nice hour with Denise, a big-titted Romanian blonde raised in Italy; a nice half-hour with Becky, a 19-year old Romanian brunette with a beautiful face although she had a fat ass and thighs; and a very good half hour with Alina. 20-year old Romanian brunette with a beautiful face and model body (although somewhat saggy tits when the bra came off). She is one of those who wanted 100 Euro for kissing and DATY, which I declined. She was probably the best looking girl overall on my trip (except maybe for Kessi at Acapulco).

There were two or three other women who were beautiful but they never gave me the time of day, appearing to stick with their regulars the whole time they were there. I recommend going to VV if you want eye candy.

Nille Copenhagen
07-21-13, 19:45
I was at VV a Sat. Some weeks ago, very poor line, ywmv, I left without any pop for at another club, then I returned after midnight for the party, only 1 girl caught my taste and I had sex with her, IMO VV is still going down hill. VV used to be my favorite club.

Trans Atlantic
07-22-13, 04:08
I was at VV a Sat. Some weeks ago, very poor line, ywmv, I left without any pop for at another club, then I returned after midnight for the party, only 1 girl caught my taste and I had sex with her, IMO VV is still going down hill. VV used to be my favorite club.Did you have to pay for re-entry?

Nille Copenhagen
07-22-13, 09:16
Did you have to pay for re-entry?Nope, because I told them to keep my key and note down my name so I could return. So I was club-hopping that day.

Yakob
08-27-13, 23:07
Does anyone talk about VV on the VV thread?Hallo Ky Daddy,

This is not quite a visit report but gives an insight or indication of experiences or feeling of the Villa Vertigo ("VV") situation and standing in the ranking of clubs from my perspective.

It was a weekend in June, I had spent the Saturday at Magnum which was catastrophe. I spent more time in the sauna and eating from the buffet than any other activities that Magnum had to offer. So by the Sunday morning I was revving for some action. I drove to VV before 1pm and parked up outside the club. I just lay low in the car and had a nap. No really sleeping, more pondering my decision for the day of choosing VV. I saw the usual blond slim Thekefrau park her little car and then go into work. No change there.

I then rang my friend at home and consulted on some advice from he on whether I was making the right decision today to go to VV for my Sunday and paying 60 euro entry for the privilege.

Then I had one of those indecision moments that I was making a big mistake coming to VV thinking of how slow Sundays can be and the club being full of men here just to relax to take advantage of the free entry Sunday and no decent girls turning up to work until well into 6 pm. The VV line out had never really done it for me. What a dilemma.

Then in an executive decision I makes the choice to drive to Golden Time and got there just a bit after 1pm opening time. My experiences from GT have always been happy and satisfying and also a very empty wallet. No regrets in dumping VV and I glad I decided to go to Golden Time over VV.

So just a small insight into what one person may think they get from a VV visit that prompts them not to even go in even when parked up ready to enter.

Enjoy.

Yakob
08-30-13, 02:39
The feedback is that the current VV line out is no so good at present. But the GT line out is in full swing with many girls back in business. More girls Thursday than was seen earlier.

YamaYama0519
09-14-13, 12:50
It was good there this August. But two thirds were from Romania.

Varenne
11-25-13, 15:19
Entry fee is now reduced to 30€ until 18:00.

Source: http://www.saunaclub.com/

I wonder the reduced price could be coupled with the free entry on sundays (does this offer still hold?).

Free Dude
11-25-13, 16:21
I believe it is a temporary action (for now) and it means you won't get the free entry on Sunday. So you have the choice between paying 60 including the entry for Sunday and 30 for just one day.

Vito Corleone
11-25-13, 21:42
Entry fee is now reduced to 30€ until 18:00.

Source:

http://www.saunaclub.com/

I wonder the reduced price could be coupled with the free entry on sundays (does this offer still hold?).Wow! The club must be really dead during the day.

StarletVoyager
01-11-14, 06:05
Any news on vv. What happened to great girls partying Friday and Saturday? A weekend at vv would be tops if the girls matched.

Trans Atlantic
03-06-14, 23:09
Stopped by VV since not many reports on this club since the last time I visited more than 12 month ago. Left GT due to their lineup not to my liking. Many of the same faces and I'm coming to the realization that most of them are heavily made up. I'm more into natural beauty with no or minimal make up.

Arrive at VV at 1755. Entry before 1800 is 30€ which is a good value for VV. 60€ would be a rip off. Food somewhat improved from last visit. Lineup is not bad. It's definitely not like GT. However I think it can hold it's on against LR and is ahead of DV. Mostly Romanians. Session with a cute 25 YO Maria, blonde. Naturally cute looks. Good chemistry.

I would recommend paying a visit to VV if you can get there by 1800.

Simex
03-07-14, 00:54
If the food improved and the €30 entry before 6pm is for the long run then I'll return.

Sounds like line-up also improved.


Stopped by VV since not many reports on this club since the last time I visited more than 12 month ago. Left GT due to their lineup not to my liking. Many of the same faces and I'm coming to the realization that most of them are heavily made up. I'm more into natural beauty with no or minimal make up.

Arrive at VV at 1755. Entry before 1800 is 30€ which is a good value for VV. 60€ would be a rip off. Food somewhat improved from last visit. Lineup is not bad. It's definitely not like GT. However I think it can hold it's on against LR and is ahead of DV. Mostly Romanians. Session with a cute 25 YO Maria, blonde. Naturally cute looks. Good chemistry.

I would recommend paying a visit to VV if you can get there by 1800.

Nille Copenhagen
03-10-14, 14:44
If the food improved and the €30 entry before 6pm is for the long run then I'll return.

Sounds like line-up also improved.Hope to see your feedback if you get there.

Cheers mate.

Simex
03-12-14, 00:04
My itinerary packed this weekend. I will try my best to pop in after a 2 year absence.


Hope to see your feedback if you get there.

Cheers mate.

Kaisar
03-17-14, 23:34
Just wondering if you got back to Villa Vertigo and what was the experience like?

Simex
03-19-14, 00:57
SORRY. My trip was only 3 days. So spent all 3 nights at GT, as lineup was impressive. Couldn't risk any disappointment

With checking out VV.

4-5 new faces at GT this time round.


Just wondering if you got back to Villa Vertigo and what was the experience like?

Kaisar
03-19-14, 01:29
SORRY. My trip was only 3 days. So spent all 3 nights at GT, as lineup was impressive. Couldn't risk any disappointment

With checking out VV.

4-5 new faces at GT this time round.No problem. Totally understandable. Thank you for the reply.

Banana Boi
05-03-14, 04:05
TA, how many girls were there when you arrived on a Thursday at 6 pm and throughout the evening. I may take advantage of the 30 euro entry special after GT one afternoon, then pop over to PHG at night which is 5 minutes away.

Trans Atlantic
05-04-14, 18:45
TA, how many girls were there when you arrived on a Thursday at 6 pm and throughout the evening. I may take advantage of the 30 euro entry special after GT one afternoon, then pop over to PHG at night which is 5 minutes away.More than 20. 25-30 at one point in the evening. It's worth checking out if you are tired of the same old lineup at other clubs.

Finnish Fucker
05-11-14, 10:29
Visited VV yesterday after a long break. Travelled by train and taxi. I was suprised and delighted to see Romanian Sandra from GT working in the reception and giving me a big smile when I stepped in. She was really helpful for all the guests entering VV and has definately right qualities for this job. I guess her days of selling the cherry pie in GT will be over soon.

VV is probably the most stylish and upscale of all NRW clubs I have visited. The place was really slow in the afternoon, girls were quite pushy and sharky. Later in the evening the atmosphere got better when DJ started to play music and the club got more customers and girls.

The lineup was subpar to LR on Friday. Many Romanian girls, a few russians and germans. Mostly around 25 years old but a few younger ones like a brunette Sandra 20, with whom I sessioned. Sweet slim girl, long black hair, nice B / C cups. My other shag was with a blonde Hungarian, also good. I recognised a spinner Romanian blonde who used to work in Aca a year ago. Forgot her name. The food was ok and free bier from the tap also. Drinks like Cuba libre cost 5€.

In my opinion VV needs a few more young pretty girls to be in the top tier NRW clubs again. Maybe Sandra will get some of the GT girls to move to VV, who knows. But I had good day there nevertheless and it was a nice change to GT and LR where I have been quite a lot lately and a bit bored to see always same girls around.

Reaching VV by train + taxi from Dόsseldorf / Kφln is doable but takes some time and money. This is why I prefer LR normally since it is fast and cheap accessible by train. But with a car VV is easy to visit and nearby are PHG and GT if VV does not have what you are looking for.

-FF

Banana Boi
05-11-14, 13:43
I was suprised and delighted to see Romanian Sandra from GT working in the reception and giving me a big smile when I stepped in. She was really helpful for all the guests entering VV and has definately right qualities for this job. I guess her days of selling the cherry pie in GT will be over soon.Don't mind me as I go to the corner to cry.

Beffen1
05-11-14, 16:54
Don't mind me as I go to the corner to cry.Don't cry banana boi, Sandra has taken non-shtupping jobs in clubs before she was a theke at GT for a time too, she'll be back she loves the money.

Finnish Fucker
05-11-14, 17:02
Don't cry banana boi, Sandra has taken non-shtupping jobs in clubs before she was a theke at GT for a time too, she'll be back she loves the money.Yeah, that's what I have heard also. So no worries BB, she could be back to the bar chair in GT soon :cool:

Banana Boi
05-11-14, 20:13
I'm going to VV, hand Sandra 100 euro, and meet her on her dinner break.

BTW is VV 75 or 100 euro per hour?

Free Dude
05-11-14, 20:47
I'm going to VV, hand Sandra 100 euro, and meet her on her dinner break.

BTW is VV 75 or 100 euro per hour?Officially: everything more than half an hour should be discussed with the girl. In practice: all these second rate 'princesses' think they are worth 100. Ex-World Karina with the sillycones is there BTW.

PussyLiccker
05-23-14, 18:27
I think BB will like this club. Girls are very friendly like old PHG. I met a cute Russian and an Estonian. Not the best optics but relaxing ambiance. Great food, cant beat 30 entry for what you get.

Banana Boi
05-23-14, 22:17
Thanks for the heads up, PL. You may want to do some research on Ying Yang as well since they supposedly have a pretty good young lineup there at the moment. Some of the old PHG girls are there. Go to GT first. Don't go to YY too early!

PussyLiccker
05-24-14, 11:14
What was nice for me was this place was near PHG which I checked out also, and back and forth a few times to check for line-up changes. I paid 30 before 6 and the thek let me leave and come back withou paying additional which was nice. I thought line-up and atritude was better than PHG which hasnt been a good club for along time.

My Russian girl will give you long couch time as she never asked for room. She reminds me of German Charlene from Mainhattan, real laid back. I think this place is good for couch time, but not too many couches.

Trans Atlantic
06-08-14, 01:09
Went to VV Thursday afternoon until 1730 h. Optically, lineup not that great. There were a couple of Russians two month ago. Not this time. Turned down a couple of aggressive sells and left without a session.

PussyLiccker
06-08-14, 01:17
Went to VV Thursday afternoon until 1730 h. Optically, lineup not that great. There were a couple of Russians two month ago. Not this time. Turned down a couple of aggressive sells and left without a session.Hi TA, I got there before 6, probably around 5:45, and notice girls showing up.

Vitrea
06-08-14, 03:29
Thanks for the heads up, PL. You may want to do some research on Ying Yang as well since they supposedly have a pretty good young lineup there at the moment. Some of the old PHG girls are there. Go to GT first. Don't go to YY too early!Good reminder about YY. I am asking because this came up: What is too early? I am thinking of going there around 6 PM.

PussyLiccker
06-08-14, 03:46
Good reminder about YY. I am asking because this came up: What is too early? I am thinking of going there around 6 PM.Yes, same for me also, that's how I decided to check it out, because of BB's reminder. I was there around 7 pm, and it seemed like all the girls were there. I went there after GT as it's about 20 min there? I cannot say what time all the girls arrive as I didn't get there before 7. When I was there, it wasn't so congested, there were plenty of girls. The Romanians I saw were ones I remember from other clubs such as GT, Magnum, and they were the ones I took to the room and were good service. lol.

I just had a bad luck with a Iranian girl I took that was from Germany, bad attitude. Avoid Nelly.

Vitrea
06-08-14, 21:27
Yes, same for me also, that's how I decided to check it out, because of BB's reminder. I was there around 7 pm, and it seemed like all the girls were there. I went there after GT as it's about 20 min there? I cannot say what time all the girls arrive as I didn't get there before 7. When I was there, it wasn't so congested, there were plenty of girls. The Romanians I saw were ones I remember from other clubs such as GT, Magnum, and they were the ones I took to the room and were good service. lol.

I just had a bad luck with a Iranian girl I took that was from Germany, bad attitude. Avoid Nelly.Thank you and will do. I plan to be there Tuesday night. I hope it will still be a party atmosphere on a Tuesday.

Sorry to belabor about YY in a VV thread. YY thread is always dead, mostly because it is hard to find due to it being in the Netherlands / German border section. I honestly think YY and Sixsense should be listed under "other clubs" in the German FKK forum. :-).

Capt Dan
06-08-14, 21:35
Thank you and will do. I plan to be there Tuesday night. I hope it will still be a party atmosphere on a Tuesday.You will be able to hear the summer breeze as it gently whispers through the grass outside in the lovely Villa Vertigo garden it will be so quiet on Tuesday night!

Friday and Saturday are the really only truly busy nights with any sort of party atmosphere. Very much a club for the weekends.

IMO GoldenTime is the only club worth visiting (during the week) in that part of NRW.

PussyLiccker
06-09-14, 14:06
Oops, didn't notice you were going Tuesday night. I was there quarter to 6 on Friday. Tuesdays is not a good clubbing day in general.

McAdonis
07-05-14, 12:18
I was at VV on Thursday night and three weeks ago on a Monday night--each time taking advantage of the 30 EUR happy hour. The food isn't great by NRW standards, so I don't ever see myself paying the full price ticket, when there are so many better value clubs around. But at 30 EUR, I view it as a chance to inspect the lineup and decide if it is a club worth returning to at the end of my trip (usually when in NRW, I do between 3-5 days). When you pay the discount happy hour price, I believe you get the same privileges as a visitor who paid the full price--I. E. Veltins beer. Girls tried:

Anca, Romanian, 18 year old light brunette about 168 cm, big natural breasts (ice-bear-forum reports them as the-cups). DFK in the room, and gave a sensual, soft, wet blowjob on my instructions. Not many complaints from her. I found her accommodating. She said she only works three days a week and never works on Friday and Saturdays because she doesn't like room waits. She sleeps at the club.

Roberta, Romanian, 27 year old, dyed blond, tanned, 165 cm. Her body is thin and tight with saggy be-cups. No kissing in the room. She has excellent stamina. Rode me between 10-15 minutes before I requested a change in position. She has been at Villa Vertigo about a year, but had a stint at Acapulco. She said when she is in Germany she works 5 nights a week, usually taking Monday and Tuesday off. She sleeps at the club.

Sandra, Romanian, 20 year old, very long, very straight black hair, 170 cm natural taut see-cups. No kissing. Is a bit inexperienced, average BJ, but nice visuals bending her over and doing doggy in front of the mirror.

Natasha, Russian, brown hair, very pale skin, blue / green eyes, 163 cm, petite gymnast-like body with perk be-cups. Passionate kissing in the room, sex in multiple positions, did her standing in front of the mirror. Gets a bit loud, and grinds hard--she seemed to want to get herself off. Ended with offering me a massage.

Service-wise I'd rate this club similar to Dolce Vita, but the food at DV is better. But the rooms are better at Villa Vertigo. Often there is a full bathroom with shower and / or bath tub. The room is like an actual room, so it feels like you are in an incall location. The girls at Villa Vertigo also all gave me the full 30 minutes. As opposed to a club like GT, where the girl will announce at the 15-minute mark that I only have 5 minutes left.

PussyLiccker
07-05-14, 15:29
Natasha sounds like the Russian I've run into there. I regret not sessioning with her reading your report as I sensed very good vibe pre-zimmer from her. She understand English well and easy to communicate, and takes her time, let's you pop the room question. Just a really nic girl. Not to mention, she's pretty. She's pretty facially, but I wasn't too keen on her body (wasn't my type). After reading McAdonis report, she sounds like a real gem.

McAdonis
07-05-14, 15:44
Well she said that she had only been working at VV since Sunday, but I wasn't clear if it was she came back from holiday since Sunday or she has only been working at VV since Sunday. I forgot to mention the feature that would most easily identify her: she has braces on her teeth. I didn't know they still made metal ones. I thought orthodontists could make clear ones now.

Trans Atlantic
07-07-14, 19:03
Well she said that she had only been working at VV since Sunday, but I wasn't clear if it was she came back from holiday since Sunday or she has only been working at VV since Sunday. I forgot to mention the feature that would most easily identify her: she has braces on her teeth. I didn't know they still made metal ones. I thought orthodontists could make clear ones now.Natasha was at VV early June when I was there. Those braces scared me and costed her a session.

XXL
08-04-14, 17:19
I left Golden Times for Villa Vertigo on Monday at around 6:30 pm. Both places are 20 km apart and I programmed my GPS to avoid motorways so as not to remain stuck in some rush hour back up. One word describes what I found in Villa Vertigo: dead! The place was dead. No more than 8 girls, hardly any looker among them, 7 or 8 customers. One thing I found problematic was the loose dress-code. One rather good-looking girl was sexily attired but in full evening dress. I asked another girl if said girl was part of the staff or working. The other girl told me she was "working but busy". Busy doing what? She seemed to be making small talk with three of the customers and not into hooking up with the other men there. Indeed when I checked in I was offered the option of staying normally dressed, which I declined, not wanting to stand out. I think it's a mistake on management's part. Working girls, staff and customers must adhere to a strict dress code so that everyone knows what everyone else is there for. As often when business is bad, girls tend to get pushy and sulky. All in all Villa Vertigo made the impression of a place that has seen better days. It could be useful as a fall back for when Golden Times is bursting at the seams. When I checked out I was offered a free entry for "next Sunday" so I surmise Sunday is even worse in terms of action (and hence an ideal day to visit Golden Times).

Trans Atlantic
08-05-14, 01:46
Definitely not worth it if they got rid of the 30 EUR entry before 1800.

Nille Copenhagen
08-06-14, 03:04
The free Sunday pass will attract girls and men, so Sundays can be a good day.

XXL you did a mistake by visited VV on a weekday, VV is only fun Fri-Sun LOL.

It has always been like that.

Banana Boi
08-09-14, 17:41
Definitely not worth it if they got rid of the 30 EUR entry before 1800.Is it worth 60 euro if I have time to visit on a Friday/Saturday between GT and PHG and again on Sunday after GT?

How many girls would there be on a Sunday night? Anyone know if Sandra is back at GT or still working VV reception?

Just never been to VV and would like to see it.

PussyLiccker
08-09-14, 18:12
VV is 6 mins from PHG. I went on Friday before 6 for 30 E, and entered PHG with 40 E entry earlier. Took off to VV before 6, checked it out, went back to PHG to check out any changes. It's very close by so I went back and forth.

I personally would not spend 60 to get in, but if you're curious, it's will rid of your curiousity.

Nille Copenhagen
08-10-14, 09:26
I think they stopped the 30€ offer, I call them last Sunday noon and the price was 60€ she could not tell for sure how many girls will be there, but kept repeating "there will be more girls later", by her hesitation I guessed there was not many girls at VV, then I called LR which has 45 girls at Sunday noon, that was good enough for me.

Banana Boi
10-11-14, 12:42
Read on another board there were 65 girls last night. A recent surplus of girls? Anyone able to confirm this?

Free Dude
10-11-14, 15:04
Read on another board there were 65 girls last night. A recent surplus of girls? Anyone able to confirm this?Don't take Big30 to seriously, although 60 girls isn't out of the question for a club like VV.

Der Auslander
10-11-14, 15:23
Don't take Big30 to seriously, although 60 girls isn't out of the question for a club like VV.Its possible but I would want to see a few reports about a revival at Villa Vertigo before I would invest full confidence in the matter. Do consider that the Dutch Forum associates itself with particular clubs from time to time for the sake of mutual advantage. So you may not necessarily be reading an unbiased account.

Free Dude
10-11-14, 17:20
Its possible but I would want to see a few reports about a revival at Villa Vertigo before I would invest full confidence in the matter. Do consider that the Dutch Forum associates itself with particular clubs from time to time for the sake of mutual advantage. So you may not necessarily be reading an unbiased account.This is true, but in Big30's case in particular it is more that HE likes to joke around. If you don't read the whole board, you might have missed the discussions on Romanian dominated clubs and the lack of "varied" line ups.

Most reports in the last months were pretty negative, with the exception of forum members that think everything and anything is brilliant.

Der Auslander
10-11-14, 17:54
This is true, but in Big30's case in particular it is more that HE likes to joke around. If you don't read the whole board, you might have missed the discussions on Romanian dominated clubs and the lack of "varied" line ups.

Most reports in the last months were pretty negative, with the exception of forum members that think everything and anything is brilliant.Well in fairness to Big30, he certainly would have a very good knowledge of what is happening in NRW and his contribution would be very welcome in this forum. Even though you might sometimes have to take what he writes with a pinch of salt.

Maxime
10-12-14, 07:58
Well in fairness to Big30, he certainly would have a very good knowledge of what is happening in NRW and his contribution would be very welcome in this forum. Even though you might sometimes have to take what he writes with a pinch of salt.Don't worry, B30 is reading this forum too (and HE might write also, but on a different name). Happily FreeDude and some other Dutch members write both on the Dutch forum as well as here, and compensate the sometimes overly positive remarks from not so critical reviewers who think every club is great!

On VV: still no reason to go there if you are looking for girls with decent service attitude (DFK scarse, pre-sales as well, etc). Optically the line-up is good however, so if you are only in to that, go for it.

Banana Boi
01-13-15, 22:10
From today on the entrance fee will Reduced to € 40.00 if you come before 18.00 h (06.00 pm). The Reduced entrance fee of € 40.00 does not include the free entrance on sundays.40 euro entry before 6 pm now. Not as good as 30 euro last year but better than nothing.

Is Sandra ex-GT still the thekefrau here?

Banana Boi
01-26-15, 20:14
Entry is now 40 euro ALL DAY.