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Admin
01-01-08, 02:00
Thread Starter.

Iseeu
03-16-08, 18:01
The club is only open a few months and already has amassed a substantial number of reports. I haven't been there yet, but will try to make it on my next NRW visit.
Here are the links;
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=622050&postcount=1558
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=678311&postcount=1661
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=697525&postcount=1710
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=697812&postcount=1713
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=702180&postcount=1726
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=702754&postcount=1727
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=703020&postcount=1730
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=704474&postcount=1735
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=704504&postcount=1736
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=704646&postcount=1739
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=704972&postcount=1742
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=707906&postcount=1755
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=708000&postcount=1756
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=708041&postcount=1757
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=708108&postcount=1758
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=715492&postcount=1765
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=717115&postcount=1767
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=718379&postcount=1768

Chicafan
03-17-08, 16:07
My gosh how phucked up is the US? Germany opens a nice club where a man can go just to enjoy life and they run a PR piece in the paper... One of our lame politicians has way overpriced sex with a hooker and he is said to have betrayed his family. :(

http://www.wz-newsline.de/sro.php?redid=165954

Willem2
03-18-08, 11:26
I filled in a whole report yesterday, I send it, but it got lost in cyberspace.

So first this : http://www.villavertigo.de/index.php?id=273

Maybe you will recognize Noëlle, Natasa, Diana, Kim, Nati, Celine.

Almost everyday there are about 40 girls present in Villa Vertigo.

Jackpot1234
03-24-08, 22:51
Hi there,

I have a couple of days of complete freedom in Holland/ Germany in May and planning a FKK tour by my own. Last time I visited FKK was June 07, visited Ying Yang (in Venlo, Holland near German border) and had a ok experience. The one before was in Oct 06, visited Golden Time and saw better selections of girls than Ying Yang but found a problem in Man-Woman-Ratio.

I am normally based in London and don't have up to date info of FKKs in Germany. As I can do whatever I want during the 2 days trip, I would love to visit THE BEST FKK at the time. Any suggestion, opinion is greatly appreciated.

My brief research on this forum suggests the Villa Vertigo is the one I should consider? There seems to be mixed feedback for this club during new opening period but things are settling now?

Thanks, guys.

Jackpot

Marlow
03-25-08, 10:31
@Chicafan - and from the country that wants to spread democracy to the rest of us poor sops. Did you know that the US has millions to give away to prevent the spread of Aids, but only gives it to countries that promise to ban prostitution. Unreal or what? I liked Spitzer's line about to those to whom it is given....yeah right on Spitz old man, you mean that cute chick who creamed you for $4,300 don't you? Oh, you meant your great and wonderful self to whom all things were given and now cruelly ripped from you! Why do they drag their wives into the mess to stand by them in their moment of unique US style shame?

Toscana
03-25-08, 21:13
My brief research on this forum....Well, forgive me, but that's the problem. You've got to read more, make some preliminary decisions, and then read again. "Best FKK" will depend on what you are expecting. Nudity? -> Hessen, or anywhere except NRW. Variety? Probably NRW. But no nudity (with exceptions). Optikficks? How about Oase? Sheer in-yer-face action? Bernd's. All day? How about enjoying the gardens at Oase and World? Just a few hours? There's a big difference. The answers to those questions will lead you further, if you invest some time. But the jackpot is for you to find.

Mullvad
03-26-08, 15:52
Oase outside Frankfurt is very good at the moment.


Hi there,

I have a couple of days of complete freedom in Holland/ Germany in May and planning a FKK tour by my own. Last time I visited FKK was June 07, visited Ying Yang (in Venlo, Holland near German border) and had a ok experience. The one before was in Oct 06, visited Golden Time and saw better selections of girls than Ying Yang but found a problem in Man-Woman-Ratio.

I am normally based in London and don't have up to date info of FKKs in Germany. As I can do whatever I want during the 2 days trip, I would love to visit THE BEST FKK at the time. Any suggestion, opinion is greatly appreciated.

My brief research on this forum suggests the Villa Vertigo is the one I should consider? There seems to be mixed feedback for this club during new opening period but things are settling now?

Thanks, guys.

Jackpot

Jackpot1234
03-27-08, 01:01
What I care for FKK is quantity and quality (=looks and attitude) of the girls, that is it. I am not fussy about the decoration of the lounge, food...etc as this is not something which motivates me to visit FKK. I even care little about whether girls are in nude or not in the public space as after all, we all get naked in the room and I can more or less see what she will look like in naked through the lingerie.

Some says the Villa Vertigo has selection of 40 girls, sounds good enough to consider a major club to me. Palace in FFM seems problematic in terms of the girls attitude.

By the way, is Oase still better than Villa Vertigo? What about World or GT?

Thanks for your comment!

HookNose
03-27-08, 03:29
Jackpot1234:

I have only been to VV one time about three weeks ago and the lineup was average at best. However, I would not hesitate to go there tomorrow to see certain girls (Laura, Tatjana, Mila) who may not have top model looks and are maybe a little older than average, but can deliver the goods.

I would say VV is typical of the NRW clubs, all having a wide selection of talent with some near the top of the scale and some at the lower end. If you have already visited a couple of clubs in the area then you know what you are getting. Can't speak for Frankfurt currently but maybe you should try the other end of the spectrum and see which works better for you.

Hooknose

Jackpot1234
03-28-08, 22:41
Guys, thanks for your comments.

I have decided to stay in Venlo as I don't speak German and feel easier staying in a hotel in The Netherlands where most of the people speak English. And I always want backup, which is another FKK club close by where I can go in case one is not going well on the day.

My instinct suggests 'VV & Golden Time' are better than 'Oase & Palace'.....

Willem2
03-31-08, 14:11
Actually, I am hearing some pretty decent appraisals of the VV lineup these days. What is still confusing to me is the price structure of the place. Willem, perhaps you have clearer information then what I have heard. When the place opened, I was hearing that every 30 minutes was 50 EUR. However I recently read on the RF that the second half hour was only 25 EUR.

Any clarification would be helpful.

Cheers,

DedalusThe price structure is the same as in Golden Time and Planet Happy Garden. However every "new hour" they start to count with 50 euro.

So 50 - 25 - 50 - 25 euro etc.

FT/CIM = 25 euro

Anal = 50 euro

Also in PHG/GT this is more or less the price structure. A lot of time it also depends on a girl.

Globus
03-31-08, 19:46
The price structure is the same as in Golden Time and Planet Happy Garden. However every "new hour" they start to count with 50 euro.

So 50 - 25 - 50 - 25 euro etc.

FT/CIM = 25 euro

Anal = 50 euro

Also in PHG/GT this is more or less the price structure. A lot of time it also depends on a girl.Hi Willem

Correct me , if I'm wrong, but I always thought – and that's what you probably try to say – price structure in PHG/GT is:

50 - 25 - 25 euro etc.

That seems to be the official price structure. However, as you said, some girls might try to modify that a bit :–)

On the other hand, Samya/Köln for example has the "official" price structure 50 - 25 - 50 - 25 euro etc, right?

Cheers,

Globus

Globus
03-31-08, 19:50
The price structure is the same as in Golden Time and Planet Happy Garden. However every "new hour" they start to count with 50 euro.

So 50 - 25 - 50 - 25 euro etc.

FT/CIM = 25 euro

Anal = 50 euro

Also in PHG/GT this is more or less the price structure. A lot of time it also depends on a girl.Sorry, Willem

I didn't read your clarification on prices in the Golden Time thread.

Cheers,

Globus

Dedalus
04-01-08, 13:02
The price structure is the same as in Golden Time and Planet Happy Garden. However every "new hour" they start to count with 50 euro.

So 50 - 25 - 50 - 25 euro etc.

FT/CIM = 25 euro

Anal = 50 euro

Also in PHG/GT this is more or less the price structure. A lot of time it also depends on a girl.


Thanks, Willem!

You 'da man!

Cheers,

Dedalus, hoping to hit the NRW clubs later this month.

Willem2
04-02-08, 03:33
So every day I have to post something about Villa Vertigo otherways some of you don't believe that there is something happening.

Every daythere are about 25 and 45 girls in Villa Vertigo. A lot of those girls also have been working in PHG/GT/Freude etc. So in fact from a lot of girls you know that the quality of service is good.

On one occasion I went with Nancy. You also find her on this website : http://www.vertigo-escort.com/index.php?id=86

Yes you can also go for escort. In that case you pay more. But I went with her in Villa Vertigo for 50euro. Very good blowjob and I have been fucking her in many positions.

Peter
04-02-08, 10:51
I am convinced VV will be the best club in the area in the summer.

The facilities are impeccble, the rooms are nie, the beds are good, and they have nice showers in most rooms. the outdoor areas will be beautiful, and the owner Marcus is the one who brought PHG to where it was, and he has made this his own little project.

The linep now ain't perfect, but there are a couple there who are decent, but the look and feel of the place, as well as the space will ake it popular with men in the summer, and that will bring the women.....

Breadman
04-02-08, 14:24
I am convinced VV will be the best club in the area in the summer.

The facilities are impeccble, the rooms are nie, the beds are good, and they have nice showers in most rooms. the outdoor areas will be beautiful,

How large of an outdoor area does this club have? On their website all the pictures show the club itself, not the outdoor area. Understandable if the grass hasn't grown in yet... And under the 'services' section, notice coffee and cake...was wondering if beer is included in their entrance fee?

Peter
04-02-08, 21:56
I don't drink beer at the clubs so I am not sure, but I think so. Yu pay extra for cocktail....there is also a massage room which I used, and there is also a cosmetician there if you want a facial and they are in the process of finishing a barber salon where I think you can get one of those professional shaves.

Outdoors is huge, there is a pool being built, there is second small house....they are laying out a huge grassy area between a wide expanse of trees. Think of a large country house....it is probably about the same size of the outdoor area at Oase, and bigger than GT's. The patio is well done, and it looks like there might be entrance to some other areas in the baseent via the garden.

It is more spacios and brighter during the day than GT.

Basketcase
04-02-08, 23:07
Thanks, Willem!

You 'da man!

Cheers,

Dedalus, hoping to hit the NRW clubs later this month.Hi All,

I am also hitting the NRW clubs later in April from 24-28 April and hope to take in Villa Vertigo as one of the visits. The facilities described so far sound excellent and well worth the entrance fee to spend the day there enjoying them.

Summer here at VV will be like being at a resort and with the added attribute of scantily clad women that will have sex with you for 50€ for half a hour. What more can a man ask for in life if this was available on your doorstep. I just wish we had these sort of places in Britain where I live. The laws here are so archaic and backward compared to the enlightened Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland and Austria for this sort of stuff.

Sweden has gone backwards in terms of making it illegal for men to purchase sex. Britain is no doubt going to follow. When I was in Scotland which has its regional parliament there are proposals to implement that law there.

Please please do not let it happen to Germany.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Willem2
04-04-08, 08:08
Will we all be a fool today to visit Villa Vertigo:

Jack42
Caligula
Willem2
Sonny
Big30
Tiga
Jansen
naughtyboy
Cupido
rplover
Knabbel
Babbel(?)
Willi69
uurtje
oblix
Manni1a
Robin
Theo-loge

We will see.

Natasa will also be there ( http://img355.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11616532nz.jpg , http://www.villavertigo.de/uploads/pics/50.jpg )

Willem2
04-23-08, 07:05
Natasa will also be there ( http://img355.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11616532nz.jpg , http://www.villavertigo.de/uploads/pics/50.jpg )On that day I have been with Natasa in a room. It was a room with a bath. So before the sex we started in bath an ended in bed. I had a wonderful hour with her ( again).

About 35-40 girls were there that day.

Cynical
04-24-08, 00:21
I have to report that Villa Vertigo has significantly improved it's line-uo.

Was there last weekend - including sleeping over at the club:-) and had fantastic experiences with Tatjiana from Russia and an Angelina Jolie Clone from Czech (She's featured in their (http://blog.villavertigo.de) blog. A fantastic looking women that seems to be working for pleasure.

Also recommend Adriana. 1m60 of natural sexyness.

The works for the outside are are progressing well, and I subscribe to another member's forecast of a lovely summer at VV.

Also there is a German there, tall and always busy, can'r remember the name, who has the most exquisite HJ technique.

Theoldcynical
04-24-08, 18:25
I'm going back to the Villa tomorrow and staying through the weekend.

Any fellow mongers Coming?

Coxswain
04-24-08, 23:53
Hi All,

Is this place in fact an FKK club. It does not claim itself to be on its Web site.

Ate the girls naked? If not, then I think it is misleading to include it in the FKK section.

My 2 cents.

Coxswain

Globus
04-25-08, 00:34
Hi All,

Is this place in fact an FKK club. It does not claim itself to be on its Web site.

Ate the girls naked? If not, then I think it is misleading to include it in the FKK section.

My 2 cents.

Coxswain


No, in fact the girls wear bikinis and are not naked. It's a sauna-club by definition – like the others in the NRW aera (Nordrhein-Westfalen) as Goldentime, Planet Happy Garden, Living Room etc.

Jackpot1234
04-25-08, 13:31
I have to report that Villa Vertigo has significantly improved it's line-uo.So does it suggest the best one in this area is rather VV than GT? "The Best" I mean is the quality & quantity of the girls and Men:Women ratio. I've been to GT when vast numbers of men were queing up for smaller number of women, and some said this is the only problem of GT.

I've kind of concluded to visit GT when I visit this area in May, but updated info still makes me indecisive.

Willem2
04-26-08, 03:44
So does it suggest the best one in this area is rather VV than GT? "The Best" I mean is the quality & quantity of the girls and Men:Women ratio. I've been to GT when vast numbers of men were queing up for smaller number of women, and some said this is the only problem of GT.

I've kind of concluded to visit GT when I visit this area in May, but updated info still makes me indecisive.Always the same questions on all those boards : What is the best club?

There is no answer for that.

The club with the most girls is Golden Time ( about 65-80girls). But you are right there are also a lot of men.

The club with the best wellness is for me at the moment Living Room.

The club with the best food is Villa Vertigo (PHG)

The amount of girls at PHG 35-50 / Villa Vertigo 25-45 / Living Room 25-40

In all those clubs it is less crowded than in Golden Time.

Greetings Willem

Warsteiner
04-26-08, 14:14
So does it suggest the best one in this area is rather VV than GT? "The Best" I mean is the quality & quantity of the girls and Men:Women ratio. I've been to GT when vast numbers of men were queing up for smaller number of women, and some said this is the only problem of GT.

I've kind of concluded to visit GT when I visit this area in May, but updated info still makes me indecisive.

As Willem2 said there isn't really a best club. It will also depend upon the day you visit - Friday's can be especially busy in GT so I avoid GT on Friday's. In PHG the outside rooms don't have air-con (or they didn't last year) so I always avoid PHG if the weather is especially hot. It will also depend upon the women, I'm not a big fan of GT but Regi works there and she is always a dead cert for an extra special session so I always visit GT at least once when I am in the area. If you have a chance try them all, if not pick one as there should be enough decent looking women at VV, PHG, LR or GT.

Jackyo
04-26-08, 14:20
As Willem2 said there isn't really a best club.
As the Germans say, its a Geschmacksache or matter of taste which club you find the best.

It is the same in evaluating women too by the way.

Hessen Bub
04-26-08, 16:14
I heard line-up has been bad the last weeks/days as most of the top acts have left the club. That true? If yes, I'll go to LR, GT or PHG next week.

HB

Dedalus
04-26-08, 16:49
I heard line-up has been bad the last weeks/days as most of the top acts have left the club. That true? If yes, I'll go to LR, GT or PHG next week.HB



Hey HB,

I was there last Sunday and have to report that the lineup was pretty thin. One cannot fairly judge a place by a Sunday lineup, but there were only three or four girls who made my clock tick.

Facilities are top, but if Sunday was any indication, then the club has a little way to go girl-wise. I had a good session with a tall, red-headed Russian named Tatiana, and looked hard at Angelina and Adrianna. Both are a little more fleshy than the web pictures indicate, but both are rather cute.

Lineup-wise, GT is still the place, but word is that a crew of new Romanians are at PHG now, so who knows?

Cheers,

Dedalus

Big30
04-26-08, 17:29
I heard line-up has been bad the last weeks/days as most of the top acts have left the club. That true? If yes, I'll go to LR, GT or PHG next week.

HB

Some girls left and some new girls arrived! The line-up in VV is not that bad but is better in the evening than in the afternoon.
The typical number of girls you will find in VV, GT, PHG and LR were already mentioned in the report of Willem2.

Recently they started with finishing the garden, see also:
http://www.villavertigo.de/ and
http://www.blog.villavertigo.de/



Lineup-wise, GT is still the place, but word is that a crew of new Romanians are at PHG now, so who knows?

In PHG you will always find a lot of Romanian girls. Last Saturday I counted about 15 Romanian girls in PHG. Some of them were relatively new. But most of them were familiar faces for me.

Note that because of Orthodox easter this weekend most Romanian girls are now at their families home.

And indeed there is no such thing as the best club! The judgement best is determined by a by definition subjective taste statement.

@HB,

When you visit NRW have a look on meeting point on http://www.ijsberenforum.nl/forum/index.php :-)!

Big30

Hessen Bub
04-26-08, 19:45
I'll be there next Friday or the Friday after. I have to make the way back to Rhein-Main at night, so VV or LR would be just a hinch closer. I'll see.

HB

Breadman
04-26-08, 20:02
I thought VV had a pool...don't see it in the link to the outdoor shot.

Chicafan
04-26-08, 20:11
I heard line-up has been bad the last weeks/days as most of the top acts have left the club. That true? If yes, I'll go to LR, GT or PHG next week.

HB

Ah, the dilemma a new club has of keeping enough men to attract the girls and enough girls to attract the guys.

Big30
04-26-08, 20:22
I thought VV had a pool...don't see it in the link to the outdoor shot.

Do not worry the pool is still there! It is expected that the pool and garden will open next week.


Wir eröffnen nächste Woche bei schönem Wetter den Außenbereich und beenden damit die letzten Verbesserungen am Haus. Bei den Gartenmöbeln wurde wieder auf top – Qualität und Design geachtet. “Die »Poolnixen« der Villa freuen sich schon darauf, wenn es heißt: Der Pool ist eröffnet! Seien sie mit dabei und genießen Sie den neuen Park der Villa Vertigo.

Big30

Dedalus
04-26-08, 23:00
Do not worry the pool is still there! It is expected that the pool and garden will open next week.

Big30


They are also having a Gentleman Poker Night on the 15th (I think). I tried to get them to tell me if it was a Texas-Hold 'Em game, but the gal at the desk, while really sweet, doesn't know Poker from Pokeman.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Big30
04-26-08, 23:09
They are also having a Gentleman Poker Night on the 15th (I think). I tried to get them to tell me if it was a Texas-Hold 'Em game, but the gal at the desk, while really sweet, doesn't know Poker from Pokeman.

Cheers,

Dedalus

The poker game will be May 13th. For info see,
http://www.poker-eurostars.de/artikel.php?ID=19

First price wil be ... Platz 1: EINE LAS VEGAS REISE (= A TRIP TO LAS VEGAS)

Big30

Kingwenslas
05-07-08, 14:24
This continues on from the Golden Time thread. GETTING THERE: when you turn off the main road onto Bahnstrasse, number 90 is right there on the opposite side of the road from the industrial estate.

This was my first ever visit to VV, so I was particularly keen to get cracking. Once again I arrived at 11.01 in the morning. After showering, I encountered 8 or 12 fully clothed men walking around (rather like in a “Carry On” film, except no one was smiling). I later found out that this was a police raid in progress and they stopped other punters from entering the club. So I had the whole place to myself for 45 minutes – well, me and 7 or 8 young ladies, all with their trademark sun-tans.

Having been spoilt rotten the previous day in GT, none of the girls stood out, so I settled in with a drink and a magazine for the long haul.

A tall, 32 year old Croatian called Annabel struck up a conversation with me and I ended up taking her to a room. She was nice and friendly before we went to the room (and during and after for that matter) but her heart was not in the sex. I wouldn’t really advise people to ignore her, but then again she's not a hot tip either. I did not extend to one hour.

Later on, I had a similar experience with Madeline – a short, busty blond from St Petersburg. She was pleasant, friendly, good-looking, her boobs were large and firm, but the sex was mechanical and her heart was not in it. She wanted €50 for a CIM finish. I declined. Once again I did not extend to one hour as she was getting bored.

My final (and best by a long margin) session of the day was with Maya (pronounced My-ah) – a 32 year old, leggy Polish girl. Her face was certainly not the prettiest, and her boobs were certainly not the largest and firmest around that day, but her legs were unbelievable. I think I have a fetish for girls who have long legs as a proportion of their total height – and funnily enough all the ones I have met over the years have been either Polish or of Polish origin. Maya was genuinely pleasant and willing to share, although there was a slight undercurrent of something that I could not quite put my finger on. She said that she had only done this job for four days and that the next day she would be going back to Poland. She had heard about VV after watching a program about it on Pro7, but had not quite heard the name correctly and had spent a long time on Google trying to find it. She wanted to charge me €70 for the full hour and not €75 or €100 – so this was something else I appreciated, as I felt generous when I gave her €90. She said that as a teenager she had done a bit of modelling but had quit when told that she should get her weight down to 45kgs. “Bloody hell”, I thought, “I’m shagging a model”.

Maya is now the second Polish girl in her 30s that I’ve had fantastically good sessions with this year and I’m beginning to form the hypothesis that just sticking to Poles is not a bad strategy to follow in order to maximise the chances of a good session.

Later in the afternoon a group of Dutch guys who use the ijsberenforum arrived and we were able to compare notes. This was good. It’s always fun to hook up with fellow punters, especially the ijsberen guys. I told one of them that I’m going through a doubles phase at the moment and our good-natured conversation went something like this: -

“What? Are you crazy? You get pairs of girls going around asking for trios and then when you are in the room one just stands in the corner and watches. Then they kiss each other once and demand extra money for a lesbie show.”

“Well, that’s never happened to me.”

“You’ve been lucky.”

“I always negotiate up-front what I want. Not very romantic, I know, but that’s what I do.”

“Ah, don’t feel that way. This is a business and romance doesn’t come into it.”

And THAT’S the point you have to always bear in mind.

And another thing – over my two days none of the girls would DFK me, not even Maya. What’s going on there?

Kingwenslas

Hollandmale
05-10-08, 06:50
Later in the afternoon a group of Dutch guys who use the ijsberenforum arrived and we were able to compare notes.
This was good. It’s always fun to hook up with fellow punters, especially the ijsberen guys.I wasn't there on April 30, but will be today, sunny wheather !
Next time you'll visit VV, you'll find the pool & garden opened.
According to the guys on IJsberenforum, VV did a fine job :).

Cynical
05-13-08, 17:11
Hi Fellow mongers!

Me and five buddies will be arriving saturday and staying through monday at the villa. Anyone else coming to try out the new swimming pool?

Cheers

C

Basketcase
05-14-08, 21:57
And another thing – over my two days none of the girls would DFK me, not even Maya. What’s going on there?

Kingwenslas,

It can be hit an miss but more hit than miss in my experience I am sorry compared to your experience. MY Oase visit sessions in each case had DFK involved. My GT, PHG, YY and VV visits in NRW had hit and miss on DFK. IN some cases I was in a hurry to get my rocks off so DFK was not an issue but in many cases DFK was on the menu even if for a little while before I wanted her mouth on my cock.

I do like a bit of kissing with the girls and a fondle befoere I get down to the suck.

Regards

Londonbasketcase

Basketcase
05-14-08, 21:59
Hi Fellow mongers!

Me and five buddies will be arriving saturday and staying through monday at the villa. Anyone else coming to try out the new swimming pool?

Cynical,

I may be visiting VV on Sunday next weekend 25 May so I will miss seeing you and your 5 buddies in the pool at VV.

I was at VV in April and the place looks like it will be a top notch in terms of facilities. It just needs a stellar line up of girls to complement the first class fit out.

LBC

Ekliges Lauern
06-01-08, 00:21
Sunday I went with a pal to Golden Time at about 4PM. My pal is not Caucasian and told me previously he had been turned away at GT. No problem, I thought, we’ll go together and they won’t turn us away.

At the door, the woman comes out as my pal rings the bell and tells us the club is full. Not to rant too much, but my pal is clearly older, has money, is well groomed and spends money of the ladies and treats them politely. I understand the German ethic of private establishments may refuse service to anyone at their discretion. It just strikes me as rather stupid turning away someone because of race. Plus, GT is not exactly a German only establishment.

So we head over to VV, which my pal likes and I have never been too. Nice facilities. Attractive ladies as well, although probably only about 15 in attendance. My pal informs me that the place has more of a girlfriend vibe as the women want to get to know you a bit before heading off to the room. The place has a Kino, but my friend says there really isn’t any Kino action going on. The women aren’t allowed to approach, but they have their ways of indicating interest. After a couple of hours, our pal LBC, who was waiting for us at GT, turns up at VV. My other pal, indicates the Polish clique of girls, noting that his favorite at this club is part of the group. I pick out a cute one with shoulder length dark blond hair, late 20s. By the description in Ice Bears, I believe it was Tessa. BJ was average. Sex was enjoyable, but not necessarily better than with a non-working girl. She also didn’t do FT. After the sex, we chatted for a while as a bit of rapport developed. She told me, unsolicited, that some of the girls at the club do a lot of coke to handle the difficulties of the job, but not her. In the end, paid her for an hour. Can’t remember if it was 75 or 100.

Enjoyed the grill dinner. Very tasty.

As the evening wore on, I noticed a number of ladies looking in the Kino. I decided to see if I could spread some Kino culture so I parked myself in the Kino and decided to play Kino pot luck. The first lady that strolls in is a Thai lady, probably late thirties but could be in her 40s. Anyway, I was game as she came over and started caressing little Radler. A decent Kino BJ ensued. At this point, LBC brings a young lady in the Kino as well. They get up on the raised platform with us, but LBC’s girl is a shy young lady as she builds a little privacy wall out of cushions. Anyway, my Thai lady’s BJ is OK, and I ask her if I can finish in her mouth. She informs me that it is 25E extra. This is where it gets weird. As I get close, she takes me out of her mouth and proceeds to jack me off, pointing my cock at her open mouth, while she is making faces she clearly learned from cum swallowing porn. OK, I kind of digging the visual even if I would prefer she were sucking. Anyway, as I cum, she closes her mouth but moves my cock around to give her face a good painting. She then proceeds to very proudly display our handywork. OK, that was kind of interesting. When the time comes to pay up, I give her 75E which she seems delighted with.

Afterwords, hanging with LBC and my other pal, LBC informs me his girl was beating his balls during the hand job/blow job. I tried to teach LBC the useful German phrase, “Schlag nicht meine Eier.” Which can come in hand in that situation.

On Monday, with LBC leading the group, we did manage to get my pal into GT, so that had a happy ending. On Tuesday, my pal wanted to return to VV. As I was in the midst of a week long fuck fest, I didn’t mind another slower day. Some points of interest. There was one woman there reading a book who looked north of 50. Let’s just say she could probably do some Oma porn. Some of the more Zaftig ladies at Berndt looked like school girls compared to her.

I noticed an exotic looking woman about 30, middle eastern or latina, with beautiful blow job lips and a nice figure. I noticed her hanging out with guys and wandering off to the room with them. After she returned from the room, I pounced. I sat with her and attempted to strike up a conversation. Everything was a one or two word answer. She was from Morocco. Anyway, I popped the question and off to the room we went.

I should have heeded the warning signs. Total train wreck in the room. She proceed to wank me, not very sensually and seems annoyed that I don’t get instantly hard. No kissing allowed. I point out that the standard program involves a BJ. She gets out a condom and starts to try to give me a half hearted covered BJ. I ask what gives and she replies that she does everything safe. Her BJ, even covered does not actually putting my cock in her mouth, but rather kind of kissing it through the condom. As I am not getting hard from this exercise in sensuality, she proceeds to wank me while insulting me. She says I am not a real man as a real man is hard and strong. At this point I have had enough of this crap and bail. I pay up, glad to have this train wreck at an end. In hind sight, I should have disputed with the manageress.

Anyway, my antidote to the train wreck was a real sleazy session. I wander into the Kino. Who arrives to greet me, but Oma, the German GILF (Grandma I’d lie to fuck). OK, this is just what the doctor ordered. If I can perform with Oma, I will have no lingering doubts about my masculinity. I’m going to leave out the details as frankly I don’t like recalling it, but let’s just say, mission accomplished.

Afterwords, I meet up with my pal. The session with Oma did the trick as I’m somewhat amused with myself that I would go to that level. We are both rather punchy at this point. We are sitting on the patio overlooking the pool, while a youngish guy is chasing one of the girls around the pool. He eventually caught her and threw her in. He was one of those guys who couldn’t keep still, so we both thought he was coked up. His girl was none too happy about being thrown in the pool, but kept hanging around him. Frankly, she was a bit hyper herself and my pal and I thought she was probably a snow bunny. It was at this point that the house music track, George Morel’s “Let’s take drugs” come on loudspeaker. As my friend put it, this song is wrong on so many levels. We were laughing and singing alone with George Bush on the “Drugs” refrain. Priceless.

I had to get back to my hotel room to take a late business call, but decided to one more session before bidding adieu to VV. At this point, the MILFy Thai lady has arrived and is making goo-goo eyes at me. I wait until she wanders off somewhere and go into the Kino. Of course, she shows up immediately. Basically, I could not extract myself from another session with her without resorting to be extremely impolite. And, as my pal says, some time you are best letting the women select you. Anyway, the BJ is better and we end up fucking for a while in the Kino. In the end, I get the point across that cumming in her mouth actually involves having my cock in her mouth. Not a bad session, but fucking a Thai woman near my age is probably something I can accomplish without actually paying for it. I decide maybe I can scare her off of me. There is some American porn playing on the movie screen featuring an Asian woman getting a rather vigorous ass pounding. I point this out to the MILFy Thai woman and ask if she likes. She proceeds to get some lube out of her purse and starts to lube up. I have to get across the point, no, no, next time.

At this point she is seriously puppy-dogging me as she sits with me at dinner as well. My pal comes up to the table amused at this turn of events. At this point, I have to leave to make my business call. And not a moment too soon.

I would probably return as I liked the facilities and the relaxed atmosphere, but clearly my radar needs some serious calibration for VV.

Basketcase
06-01-08, 12:20
*Saunaclub Villa Vertigo*
Sunday, 25 May 2008
6:30pm to 12:30am


SETTING THE SCENE

I visited two clubs today since my group of friends’ original plans went awry. This is the report of the second club which is Villa Vertigo in Grefrath. The first club I visited to day was Golden Time where I opened the club today along with 20 other guys waiting around for it to open. It was funny I was the fourth person to turn up in the car park and then 16 others in a matter of minutes pulled in. The first two guys were dark haired Europeans in glasses and were twins (more about them later) and they were lined up at the metal grilled gate door. The third guy was a Turkish older gentleman sitting in his car. I was the fourth and sat in my car reading my book that I brought over from London.

More and more guys drove into the car park taking up spaces. It was becoming chaos as the big four wheel drives were taking up spaces in front of the building by the door. The tall and large security guy directed traffic like a policeman getting the four wheel drivers to be more courteous to park where there was more room for their vehicles and getting the Turkish guy to straighten up his parking. My vehicle was parked just right as it would for a native of a car loving nation that I come from. Good work the security guy did and he always had a smile and an acknowledgement for me when we make eye contact during my visits.

The thekenfrau processed our entries in lots of two handing out robes, taking cash and placing “I have paid” wristbands with the locker key two at a time.

ACCOMMODATION LOGISTICS

My logistic arrangements meant that I could open the club since I had stayed overnight in Bruggen at:

Gertrud Optenplatz Pension
Roermonder Straße 111 b
41379 Brüggen
Tel: 02163/7459
Fax.: 02163/58610
It was €28 for a single bed in a room with a hand basin. The bathrooms are shared with other inmates at this pension. Inclusive was a good hearty breakfast of boiled egg, various seedy brown and white breads, cheese slices with hams and salamis. Good value. I also had a pot of fresh tea and decent orange juice. This place is a bit further out of town in the suburbs of Bruggen but it was quiet and I had a motor vehicle to get around.

Due to various booking issues this week especially for the Saturday night I had to book another venue for my last night in NRW. So I checked out of the Gertrud Optenplatz Pension and went off to check in at Hotel Restaurant House Neuenhofen. The usual Brueggener Klimp, Bruggen and Hotel Zum Schiffchen, Bruggen and even Hotel Zur Post in Nettetal were all booked out for my Saturday night. There was room at Landhotel Borner Muhle, Borner Muhle 22-24, 41379 Bruggen-Born where singles are €53 and doubles are €83. As there were no singles left I would be paying for a double and €83 was a bit more than I was happy to pay. I understood one of my companions was staying at the Landhotel Venekotensee, Volker Schmeisse, Venekotenweg 4, 41372 Niederkruchten which has singles for €55 and doubles for €89.

My next night’s stay was at:

Hotel Restaurant House Neuenhofen
Ristic family, Klosterstraße 57
41379 Brüggen
Tel 02163/6688, Fax: 58721

Number of rooms:
Single: 1
Double: 6

1 night breakfast, in a single room with Bath / shower, toilet: €30.00
1 night breakfast, in a double room with bath / shower, toilet: €50.00

Breakfast at the Hotel Restaurant House Neuenhofen is less salubrious than Camp Heide or Gertrud Optenplatz Pension as it is a few white breakfast rolls, uninteresting salamis and cheeses, various spreads, orange juice and coffee (my choice).

The Hotel Restaurant House Neuenhofen as the name suggests is a restaurant as well and has a specialty in fresh fish dishes as well as usual meat dishes. I made a note that I should dine here given the opportunity.

REASON FOR PLAN A MOVING TO PLAN B

Anyway I am digressing back to the story.

The plan today was a rendezvous with two other companions at Golden time. One was flying into Amsterdam Schipol, taking a hire car to drive to Bruggen in Germany. The second was already in Frankfurt enjoying the delights there for two days previously and would be picking a hire car up today to drive to Bruggen. I was already in Bruggen. The plan was Golden time. I find Golden time incredible and it is my destination of choice when I am in NRW. For each of my trips whether on a Friday or Saturday and even on a Sunday or Monday I find the girls I like due to the extensive line up.

My companions were to arrive between 3pm to 4pm. I had been given warnings by the girls the night before that the club may not let in people when the club is full and 4pm as it is a busy time. Guys tend to leave GT around 6pm (going home to see their wives and children for supper?) allowing another influx of guys to be let around 7pm to late. The night before when standing in the lobby waiting for girls to collect keys or waiting to pay the girls I had seen European and Asian guys in groups be turned away. The thekenfrau (or is Empfangsdame?) always had a good professional manner when she did this.

German Ice bears that I was spending time with said that they did not like large groups as they would tend to be just hanging out drinking beer and bray at the girls disrupting the calm. Some girls even confirmed this saying it can be stressful having lots of drunken men who come to just drink, talk to the girls and not take any girl to the room. We went through each nationality saying the attributes of the Dutch, Belgians, French, Americans and then the British when they visit the club. The British were not painted in a good light, current company excepted of course they said as I am alone. The visitor estimate is 50% German, 40% Dutch and 10% other.

I had already had my first pop of the day with a 28 year old Russian girl porn star type Mercedes that I had already enjoyed the night before at GT and was working on my second with a cute German girl next door type 22 year old girl Lia.

It was around 3:15 pm when my two companions had met up in Kaldenkirchenand had come to Golden Time at 3:40pm. They were not allowed in to my sadness and they advised me this via cell phone at 3:48pm. I went to the Dutch Ice bears that I had met and explained what had happened and they were indignant that my friends had not been let in as well as they knew how I was so looking forward to seeing my friends. They were not stupid and knew the real reason why my friends were not let in but they were regular visitors as well. Anyway we as a group went to security and then to reception and asked why my friends had been refused and the answer was the club was full.

I retired with the Dutch ice bears and we discussed the situation. The companions that I was to meet had said that they were going to Villa Vertigo and would see me tomorrow. That confused me and made me indecisive. Should I leave now or take the “see you tomorrow” comment as do not bother to follow them as they may not have any firm plans. I spent the next 2 hours trying to call and SMS my companions but either their phones were off or they were not picking them up.

I wanted to follow them but was unsure where they would be given the mixed message I got. They may have even gone to get food elsewhere as that is something that we do as well. During this time the Dutch Ice Bears were really getting into the party mood and had me in tow when doing the rounds to visiting or interviewing the various girls. I met a lot of girls that I would not normally approach with them. The discussions moved from German to Dutch to English for my benefit. It was hilarious seeing the message lost in translation. Some girls called me cute and said I was always happy when she saw me – hey I am going to be happy if I am seeing lots of near naked women that want to have sex with me – this is a great pleasure. Some girls said I was hilarious. When I am with German Ice Bears they just needed to translate the German to English and actually just spoke English the entire time as the girls understood English as well.

I then made an executive decision and said I would try my luck at Villa Vertigo to see if they were there as if they were not which is what I feared then I could come back to Golden Time as the one time daily €50 entry fee was for an all day visit. GT was setting up for 6 pm dinner which would be inside today instead of the BBQ outdoors like it was yesterday. Shame.

I was dressed and in my car by 6pm determined to find my friends.

I punched in Villa Vertigo into my GPS and was told to drive out of the GT car park and proceed to Heidweg turn left then turn left again onto the B221 and head North.

VILLA VERTIGO

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Villa Vertigo KG
Bahnstrasse 90
47929 Grefrath, Germany
Phone: +49(0)2 158 404 954
Email: info@villavertigo.de
www.villavertigo.de
Personal telephone conversations for jobs for girls:
Tel: +49(0) 1 713 888 877
Tel: +49(0) 1 722 280 880

Pricing:
30min €50
60min €75
90min €125
120min €150

*Saunaclub Villa Vertigo
Stayed 6 hours
I had one 1 session with blonde Polish girl Adriana in the kino with HJ and BBBJ for €20.

Highlight: the blonde Polish girl Adriana busting my balls with a vigorous hand job trying to get me to finish. She will be ingrained in my memory for her enthusiasm and not realising that she was hurting me. Even several days later my balls still feel tender from her ministrations.

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I arrived at Villa vertigo at 6:20pm and drove into their extensive metal covered car park. There were a lot of late model European motor vehicles parked there. From the car park you can look into the 1st floor patio area of the club and I strained to see any of my companions sitting at the tables or in the couches. I saw many Red bears (as the robes are red at VV).

I walked around to the other side as the entrance is not the main door as you see it from the road but a reception area between the main building and an extension to its left. I buzz the door and waited to be allowed in by the thekenfrau.

I enter the cozy reception area and explain that I would like to visit but really wanted to check whether my friends were here before committing to paying entritt. I explained in English the quick description of my friends and asked whether they were here. I described one and then the other. Their nationalities did not help as English speakers are common (Dutch would speak English). I tried a more magnitude and colourful descriptions and that worked. The thekenfrau without asking and trying her best to be helpful then went off to look for my friends to check 100% that they were here. I waited at Reception. As it was dinner time I did know that my companions would be at VV as they tend to go elsewhere for food rather than eat at the club and this was another reason why I had to check their whereabouts before following as I could be just driving across NRW looking for them not knowing their whereabouts. I still had not got a single reply back confirming their whereabouts.

The thekenfrau came back saying that she could not find them but she was sure that the people of my description were in the club. Good service the thekenfrau provided. I then paid my €50 entritt fee and she handed me a towel and red robe. She then asked my shoe size and gave me some rubber flip flops.

I went into the locker area, put my things away, put my flip flops on and went for a shower, dried myself, donned my red robe and went out to look for my companions. I wandered the first bar area, the kino, the outdoor patio area then looking across to the second bar’s patio area I saw one of my companions who saw me and waved. I hurried across negotiating the stairs that separated the two patio areas of VV.

My companion was sitting in the setting sun (it was 6:45pm) and we caught up on news. The rays were still blazing and some men actually were swimming skinny dipping style as you are naked under your robe and it is not the done thing to wear underwear or swim wear for the men. I wanted to go for a swim too and then I saw my other companion resting on a bed by the pool. I excused myself from my first companion and went down to the pool to talk to my other companion. My resting on the bed friend laughed when he saw me and I laughed too. I had made it and found them. The first companion came down to join us and it was great catching up with all three of us together.

It was now 7pm and I had not eaten so I went to the second bar area’s dining area and picked up some cordon bleu style stuffed chicken breast, potatoes and meat in white sauce, two types of pasta, mixed cooked vegetables, boiled potatoes and fresh strawberry and jellied strawberry topped cake with fruit salad washed down with apple juice and cola. This was Bliss. I took my plate of food to sit with my friends by the pool.

We talked for so long that the sun dipped such that the pool was no longer bathed in sunshine and we decided to vacate for the first bar’s patio area as that was still bathed in sunshine. The staff was also setting up the BBQ for 8pm as well.

I saw the dressed VV owner wander the building and had another dressed man in tow inspecting the grounds and facilities. The always seems to be around taking personal care of the situation.

Sitting chatting on the patio as the sun went down was great. I would come to VV just for the facilities, relaxed atmosphere, good piped music and the excellent food. Life is good.

Girls were milling around and it was good to see some girls that I recognised from my last visit.

I was sad that slim blonde and big D cup silicone boobed Roxanna of Poland was not around today as I would easily have gone with her without needing to think about it.

The Angelina Jolie lookalike is not here today and yes her stage name is Angelina. LOL. Angelina is a long dark haired girl with full BJ lips, large and full D cups, tall and leggy.

Girls that were at VV were:

Gini of Germany, shoulder length blonde hair, 23 years old, slim build, A/B cup breast. Gini is the sort of girl that you would see in a night club enjoying herself with friends rather than working in a brothel. She does seem bored looking all the time and gives you the feeling that she wants to be elsewhere than here. She did not do anything overt to attract male attention.

Amy of Poland, slightly older, MILF type, medium build, blonde, wore a light blue nightie.

Amy’s dark haired friend also of Poland, same MILF type with medium build. Wore a red and black nightie.

The Times Square street walker looking blonde who wore red fishnet stockings to her black hot pants and a sparkly cropped jacket. Medium build, okay breasts. She changed again at 8pm into her nightwear of a flowing and floating flowery nightie which was more demure looking for her. I guess the street walker look although comical was her day time wear.

The unknown (to me) stunning porn star style looking blonde. I say she would have to be a porn star model as opposed to a catalogue model as she did not have the height for it, also very curvy body shape. She was a stunning looking girl with long straight blond hair and dark blue eyes. 1.65 metres tall, black high platform shoes, pink polar fleece track suit two piece that exposed her flat stomach. I saw her as I sat on the patio. She had a tall German guy in tow wanting her services. Her appearance caused a stir amongst the red bears because she looked like a porn star and even the girls who looked at each other whispering and giving the blond evil looks which to me were looks of green eyed envy because she was so made up and pretty. One of my companions who I was sitting with on the patio said “What the fuck” meaning – she is stunning looking in this case. The delighted German guy sat her down for a couple of minutes but obviously could not contain himself and quickly took her to the room. Later that night I saw the German guy relaxing but I never saw this stunning blond again the entire night. I suspected she was booked out for the rest of the night as VV tends towards GFE where girls spend a lot of time getting to know you and then making an evening of it with you in the zimmer. Does anyone know who she is and if she is a good session?

Afterwards, the two dark haired European twins I saw at Golden Time that opened the club arrived at Villa Vertigo and we greeted each other shook hands and caught up on what was going on. It was hilarious that we were following each other to different clubs on tour. I find that with my inspection tours of the clubs that I see guys following me around on the same FKK schedule.

Come 8pm it was time for BBQ. A good selection of grilled pork slices, chicken breasts and white and red sausages were available. There was an excellent selection of salads and cooked vegetables along with a luxury fresh fruit salad (no canned stuff here). I am really enjoying the food here. One of my companions said that the VV owner has taken all the bad points of the other clubs and tried to fix them. The only problems that I can see at VV is that in Winter it may get like GT crowded as the two bar areas are not huge, the locker room area is small and when someone is at their locker it blocks the way. The other problem is a line up of star looking girls. I think they are fine on service and pricing of those services. Having a bevy of good looking girls that give good service will attract the guys in droves. Looking at the VV website at www.villavertigo.de you can see some of the girls in the line up and they do have a few pretty girls that get at least me horny but I did not see them today.

It was getting late and I am getting edgy that I had not had a session at VV yet and it has been some time since my visit at Golden time earlier that day.

My companions had had sessions with various girls after the BBQ and were now working on their second girls.

At 11pm two Polish girls that had just done a threesome with a lucky guy came over to me and one of my friends. I gave my friend first choice of the girls who both sat with him on his couch. He fondled them both and chatted to them and after 10 minutes of this indicated that he liked the slightly older more experienced dark haired and eventually she took my friend to the zimmer. I was left with the younger petite blonde one Adriana of Poland who is Roxanna of Poland’s friend. She had no English so I struggled to discuss business. The way she was explaining it for my desired program of kino BBBJ then sex in the room came to €80 which I thought was a rip off but at least she was telling me upfront. Then I realized she meant €50 for zimmer session or €30 for BBBJ in kino. I did not try to discuss CIM as it seemed too hard to try explaining that and maybe she did not do CIM for €25. I need to learn more Deutsch or at least Polen.

Adriana is a petite blonde with beautiful hazel green eyes, slim build, firm and full B cup breasts. Her skin is smooth, warm and soft to touch. Adriana of Poland’s pictures can be seen on the VV website (www.villavertigo.de) if you look for them.

At 11:15pm I opt for the kino BBBJ as I am keen to christen the kino since I did not last time as they were showing American fluffy lesbian movies which did not do it for me. Today the kino was showing European boy/girl heterosexual sex which is more my preference to get me horny. I enter the kino with Adriana and follow Adriana to the top mattress.

Radler is already getting dealt to by a Thai lady’s BBBJ on one side of the top mattress. I stand behind Adriana as she gets up on the raised platform with Radler and the Thai lady. Adriana appears to be a shy young lady as she builds a little privacy wall out of cushions about a metre high to separate off a prone Radler from a soon to be prone LBC.

I sit back and watch the movie as Adriana lies to one side kissing me, then down my body then puts my schwanz in her mouth to suck. It is not a brilliant BBBJ by my standards but adequate as she gets me hard. She concentrates on the shaft and does not do much for my sensitive balls avoiding BLS. This goes on for a bit then Adriana resorts to hand. She tugs away at me like an oil derrick arm. Luckily I am hard so my schwanz can take a beating. Adriana then builds up even more motion and uses my testicles as a bouncy pad to aid lift to her shaft pulling. I do not know if this was intentional but my balls were getting bruised by the vigorous hand fist thumping down on them.

Despite all of this I can handle all that Adriana is throwing at me then she does one of my no nos. Adriana starts to say “Komm, komm, es kommt, du kommen” as encouragement. I am trying to concentrate but I just lose it and start to belly laugh at the situation.

By this time Radler had finished his COF with Thai lady and was watching me get a thumping hand job that was doing damage to my balls. Adriana keeps fisting away. I then have to stop as I cannot stop laughing about the urge to “du kommen, du kommen, du kommen”.

Adriana is cool and says the service is €20 as “Ich habe nicht kommen” and also sees the funny side of her saying “du kommen”. I pay Adriana her €20 and get some nice deep French tongue kisses from her as I feel her cute arse up goodbye.

It is now 11:45pm and time to regroup with my companions. I explain to their merriment the damage to my balls and why I have to sit in a certain way to alleviate pressure on them.

Radler trys to teach me the useful German phrase of “Schlag nicht meine Eier” that loosely translates into “do not beat my balls (eggs)”. I can see this saying can come in handy in Adrian’s situation but too late now as I nurse my testicles.

So far my visit to VV has cost me €70 being €50 entritt and €20 for my aborted BBBJ and HJ plus petrol. I reasoned that if I stayed at GT that I would have had two or three sessions after my ones with Mercedes and Lia costing me an extra €150 to €225 as I go for a standard €75 session comprising of €50 plus one extra like CIM or COB at €25 each. At VV, I had spent €70 for a masochist session to my balls. The last time I had done something like this was intentional when I had a girl in the de Wallen in Amsterdam do an S&M session me with nipple clamps and schwanz and ball restraints. When my time was up she literally threw me out onto the streets smarting in pain stumbling to get back to my hotel to recover from my injuries.

These sorts of events are the ones that you just cannot make up. I still had a good time but was deeply concerned about the state of my balls.

My companions and I left at 12:30am back to our respective lodgings in the Schipol, Netherlands and Bruggen, Germany. Radler had picked up our other Schipol bound companion at Nettetal, Kaldenkirchen so he had to drop him off so that he could pick up his Renault car before returning for Bruggen.

A lovely day out with friends is my conclusion but I wished my balls did not hurt so bad as this would knock me out for any more sex. Luckily there is just one more day to go of my tour so not far to go now to get to the end game.

Beffen1
06-12-08, 02:28
Visited Villa Vertigo for their Hustler Party on June 7 Saturday. The place is lovely- very classy furnishings and comfortable couches and lounge chairs- a spacious seldom used Kino for naps. Super pool area but it was cloudy and cold until late afternoon so it wasn't really used.

The party per se was nothing at all special- Hustler magazines all over the club and in the lockers (at GT too). A big DJ system that impeded conversation with all my friends playing for a very few so-so dancers who I found boring. Brunch was meuselix and some delicate finger sandwich halves each with a slice of meat and a cucumber. Then delicious cakes, but only one tray. For the party- a buffet of appetizers, starches and veggies preceded the grilled schwein, wursts, and chicken. I hear this is normal fare for the club so they did not pull out all the stops for the big fiesta. Still, very delicious and comfortable time with many many old friends appearing. Unfortunately, a photographer working for the club photographed some of my friends and the club owner did not act to rectify the invasion of privacy but instead got nasty and ejected them. They had a waiting list and no lockers to give anyone for the party- the lockerroom is tiny indeed, so they used this to extract two more admissions by ejecting two real gentlemen for no real cause whatever. Watch out for your privacy there. Strangely, the shower room opens right into the contact atrium- very strange, also translucent toilet doors so you can watch the shitter shit.

The girls were plentiful for this party and there were some gorgeous girls- I'd say about 6 or 8 out of 50 fitting my tastes for those who know- including Angelina Jolie look alike who can be seen on their website- she never seemed to session though.

So- strange behavior from a gorgeous club- too bad.

Iseeu
06-15-08, 02:36
After my enjoyable visit at F39 in Bochum (see report http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=753308&postcount=68) earlier in the day, I needed to drive to Amsterdam for meetings the following day. Grefrath was on the way and I wanted to check out VV since I hadn’t been to it from its opening. I knew that it’s been getting mixed reviews mostly related to its SP selection and was prepared for the worst case. Not prepared enough, it seems…

Actually, this was only the 2nd time in my recent memory (see last year's disastrous visit to Nanu34 in the other FKK clubs thread) that I was in a club and was ready to leave without spilling some seed. Believe me I have a really low threshold for this, don’t need an optif*ck to get turned on, I’m not particular for long, tall, leggy blondes or any specific body type and can usually find someone to F*ck. I just look for a spark of life, someone to connect with, some positive energy. There was zero, it’s sad to say. That’s how bad it was.
It took me about 40 minutes of direct driving from Bochum, and would have been less if not for stau in the Dusseldorf area. Really easy to find as I had checked the online maps before my trip and also had an onboard GPS in my rented BMW. A40 to L39 going south to L509 going east. VV is at the junction of Bahnstrasse and the L509. Actually the GPS got it wrong and would have sent me to the left if I didn’t know that VV was the big country manor on the right hand side.

Really nice country manor. I arrived at about 6:45 p.m.. Often, these clubs are remotely located or in an industrial estate. VV is near parks and houses and as I turned into the driveway there were kids on bikes riding down the block, an elderly couple taking a stroll and a mother pushing a baby carriage. VV is actually this large very nice house with a newer section that was added on. The main house has the dining area, and a contact area downstairs, both of which were largely empty most of the time, really nice zimmers upstairs, and opens up to one of the outdoor decks. The newer building has the reception desk, lockers and shower room, bar and contact area, kino, massage rooms, barber chair, Jacuzzi, zimmers, and opens up to the big outside deck. The 2 outside decks connect to each other via a staircase since they are on different levels. On the deck there are nice tables and chairs to take a drink or food at and with the weather really nice, this is where everyone was spending their time. Down the stairs from the decks is a nice sized swimming pool, some nice lounge chairs, and a garden area with cabanas.

The good parts:
1. Easy to find/get to.
2. It’s brand new and someone spent a ton of money building the place, so everything is really clean, glitzy and very nicely done.
3. Nice plush towels and robes, power shower heads.
4. Great outdoor deck areas, seating areas, nice pool.
5. Nice zimmers upstairs with en-suite showers and AC.
6. Comfortable kino.
7. Good coffee.
8. The free Penthouse on the way out. (Beffen- did they give out free Penthouses on Hustler night?)

The bad parts:
1. Locker room very small and crowded.
2. Toilets have glass doors and walls (bad design choice- do we really need to watch other guys wipe their arses?)and are right across from the door that opens up into the main contact room.
3. There was no f*cking going on. Isn’t this a F*cking *****house?

I really wanted to write a good report about this club, as it is a really classy place and I appreciate it when someone makes the effort to get it right. But I’ve never been in a *****house where there was no f*cking going on. None. It turns out that it wasn’t only me that couldn’t find someone to f*ck. I spoke to a lot of the guys, mostly Dutch and German, but there were also some Turkish, Lebanese and Israelis and we all had the same problem. One of the Dutch guys commented, that he felt like he was in a high class gay sauna, with a bunch of homos hanging around in their plush robes, eying each other.

From 6:45 until 8:30 there were about 10 women. After 8:30, some more straggled in including 2-3 attractive SP and some GT veterans who were instantly monopolized by some regular customers. But there were about 40 guys during that time- the numbers just didn’t work. But it wasn’t only the numbers that bothered me and the others, because with that ratio you would expect that all of the SP would have full dance cards. Other than 2 SP who constantly made the rounds unsuccessfully trying to drum up business, most of the women just sat around in earnest discussions with each other. No eye contact, no fun, no laughing- 0 energy level. It was depressing. The manager told everyone who complained that the following week they were expecting a delivery of 40 Polish and Russian women. Great- do we get a discount/ rain check for today’s dismal offering. One of the guys commented, that if we came back the following week, we would probably hear the same line about the expected arrival of more EE SP. Most of the Dutch guys simply left for GT and I would have joined them if I didn’t need to make a presentation in the morning in AMS.

So here’s my question- Obviously, with GT and so many other clubs within easy driving distance, wouldn’t it make sense for the management, who obviously have an eye for detail, and already have a pretty high investment in the place, to guarantee 200- 300 Euro to some of the local high class SP, just to start generating some positive business flow?

The high point of the day was when 4 young Dutch guys came in and managed to attract the Angelina Jolie lookalike, easily the hottest girl in the place, to strip down and jump into the pool. There were 40 pairs of hungry eyes feasting on her beautiful assets. She, and a tall attractive blonde, spent a good 2 hours drinking and cuddling with those guys, before they got up and left for GT without doing any sessions with either of them. The rest of the night, those 2 were seen pouting about, never once going to a zimmer.

I really wanted to see the upstairs zimmers, so at about 9:00 pm, I found Luanna, a MILF type, who was dancing and showing at least some positive attributes, for a fair but unexceptional session. I hung around for another hour afterwards before continuing on to AMS just to see if the mood would change, but by then most of the men had left and the atmosphere became even more desultory.

Next time I’m in the area, I’ll drive the extra 10 minutes to GT. Unless those new SP actually arrive, and stay…

Basketcase
06-15-08, 08:12
hi beffen1


visited villa vertigo for their hustler party on june 7 saturday. the place is lovely- very classy furnishings and comfortable couches and lounge chairs- a spacious seldom used kino for naps.

i agree that villa vertigo has great facilities and the fit out has had a lot of thought put into it.

a downside is that in all my visits i have not seen the kino used for anything sexual and only for naps and the odd look see as to what was on screen. one time i went to vv the porn was soft american vivid style lesbianism which does not get me hard i am sorry. another time i finally saw boy girl sex on screen which stimulated some interest.

i got my first use of the vv kino on my last trip of may where i had adriana of poland bust my balls literally with a vigorous hand job when the bbbj was not going as quick as she liked. no matter what porn was being shown was going to bring me back with those ministrations to my schwanz.


super pool area but it was cloudy and cold until late afternoon so it wasn't really used.

the pool area and the awning covered mattresses and no covered mattresses is really nicely set out. the may day i went was hot enough for me to jump in the pool but i ended up chatting to my companions until the sun set and it was too cool to be getting wet.


brunch was meuselix and some delicate finger sandwich halves each with a slice of meat and a cucumber. then delicious cakes, but only one tray. for the party- a buffet of appetizers, starches and veggies preceded the grilled schwein, wursts, and chicken. i hear this is normal fare for the club so they did not pull out all the stops for the big fiesta.

yes i concur from my visits to vv that for the hustler party that the food you mention is the standard. in saying that though i find the vv food the best of all the clubs that i have been to.


they had a waiting list and no lockers to give anyone for the party- the lockerroom is tiny indeed,

the vv locker room is small and the access ways narrow. even gt's locker room is bigger. you still have to use a key instead of the gt cool way of using a touch magnetic/electronic signal key.

if one guy is at his locker another guy literally cannot pass unless that guy at the locker moves to the side to let them pass.


strangely, the shower room opens right into the contact atrium- very strange, also translucent toilet doors so you can watch the shitter shit.

i think i got over knowing guys can see me going for a dump in the toliet when i got over going near naked in a towel and fucking girls in the kino and getting bbbj in the open garden under a blazing hot sun.

hey, we are only doing what comes naturally. but yes, a bit more thoight for some of the more delicate of us would have improved the toliet layout.

another point is that the toliet cubicles are tiny. you have to move into the cubicle from the position that you are going to face the toliet so one way if you are going to shit and a second way if you are going to just [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134). these toliets are small.


the girls were plentiful for this party and there were some gorgeous girls- i'd say about 6 or 8 out of 50 fitting my tastes for those who know- including angelina jolie look alike who can be seen on their website- she never seemed to session though.

the times that i have been to vv have been a drought in terms of sps that i would take to the room so good for you to have 6-8 girls that you would do out of 50.

the sex action seemed to be slow and i hardly saw many going to the room but then again those that went to the room would go for extended sessions usually. vv is for the slow gfe type action in my opinion.

vv is a type of club i would got to enjoy the facilities and have some sex as a secondary objective as opposed to the usual prime objective. it is a day visit during say a 3-5 day stint where you needed a rest day.

angelina jolie is good to look at, but for me she is not the type that i would take to the zimmer. in fact her name at the club is angelina.

kind regards

Basketcase
06-15-08, 08:39
Hi Iseeu


3. There was no f*cking going on. Isn’t this a F*cking *****house?

I really wanted to write a good report about this club, as it is a really classy place and I appreciate it when someone makes the effort to get it right. But I’ve never been in a *****house where there was no f*cking going on. None. It turns out that it wasn’t only me that couldn’t find someone to f*ck. I spoke to a lot of the guys, mostly Dutch and German, but there were also some Turkish, Lebanese and Israelis and we all had the same problem. One of the Dutch guys commented, that he felt like he was in a high class gay sauna, with a bunch of homos hanging around in their plush robes, eying each other.

Iseeu, you had me rolling on the floor laughing with your comment that VV was "a high class gay sauna, with a bunch of homos hanging around in their plush robes, eying each other." and also with "I’ve never been in a *****house where there was no f*cking going on."

I identified with what you said. I spent more time at VV with male companions than I did watching or being with near naked girls. This is the whole point of visiting the clubs - enjoy the facilities but most of all (well for me) is to enjoy the intimate company of beautiful women that are happy to service your physical desires for some remuneration.

I am still smiling now with your bold comment about the VV being like a gay sauna house. We have a chain of gay bath houses in London. My gay friends want me to go with them to it. It just conjured up certain unique images for me.


From 6:45 until 8:30 there were about 10 women. After 8:30, some more straggled in including 2-3 attractive SP and some GT veterans who were instantly monopolized by some regular customers. But there were about 40 guys during that time- the numbers just didn’t work.

I must say that 10 women in a club of this size is a poor show especially at the peak times that you refer. I guess you discounted that the girls were in the rooms booked out for that time.

A ratio of 40 guys to 10 girls to me is a schwanz fest and not a muschi fest.


But it wasn’t only the numbers that bothered me and the others, because with that ratio you would expect that all of the SP would have full dance cards. Other than 2 SP who constantly made the rounds unsuccessfully trying to drum up business, most of the women just sat around in earnest discussions with each other. No eye contact, no fun, no laughing- 0 energy level. It was depressing.

Yes, VV is a club where the man must approach the woman. yes some girls will go around to say hello and be friendly but I see no major interaction or wanting to make eye contact with men. I know some guys prefer that situation as they do not want to be with women when in between sessions or wanting to relax in the luxurious facilities.


The manager told everyone who complained that the following week they were expecting a delivery of 40 Polish and Russian women. Great- do we get a discount/ rain check for today’s dismal offering. One of the guys commented, that if we came back the following week, we would probably hear the same line about the expected arrival of more EE SP. Most of the Dutch guys simply left for GT and I would have joined them if I didn’t need to make a presentation in the morning in AMS.

I do hope that the VV manager/owner (he is the tall man with the bald head) does pull through with the 40 Polish and Russian women. He must have some good managers in those countries working recruiting these girls from the small towns and villages.

I think VV would be an excellent place that could give GT a run for its money if it improved markedly its girl line up and the mode in which they interact with the guests. It has been commented that GT girls do not approach men asking for sessions except in the kino but if you compare GT's not approach guys to the VV version of not approaching or interacting with guys then I would categorize GT as a club where the girls have life in them to notice that you want them to approach you and will approach even if you just flick your head or roll your eyes at them. At VV I do not think they would register that as a come on.


So here’s my question- Obviously, with GT and so many other clubs within easy driving distance, wouldn’t it make sense for the management, who obviously have an eye for detail, and already have a pretty high investment in the place, to guarantee 200- 300 Euro to some of the local high class SP, just to start generating some positive business flow?

That gaurantee of €200-300 bounty is a big commitment of cash and will take a long time to bear fruit. The VV manager/owner must have a strategy in place to draw in more visitors. Maybe he is happy with the current number of clientele since there are only a limited number of lockers - see Beffen1's report that they had to kick two of his friends out to make room for wait listed visitors.


The high point of the day was when 4 young Dutch guys came in and managed to attract the Angelina Jolie lookalike, easily the hottest girl in the place, to strip down and jump into the pool. There were 40 pairs of hungry eyes feasting on her beautiful assets. She, and a tall attractive blonde, spent a good 2 hours drinking and cuddling with those guys, before they got up and left for GT without doing any sessions with either of them. The rest of the night, those 2 were seen pouting about, never once going to a zimmer.

Yes Angelina Jolie is a nice bit of eye candy and has breasts that defy gravity but is not my girl.

I would like to know more about the tall attractive blonde though.

Maybe I should get back to VV on my next NRW trip (which is coming soon).

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Beffen1
06-15-08, 08:45
Iseeu-- look at you!!! with the pictures again, that's what caused the trouble on our first visit. I see a trend developing here.

Sorry you wasted your time at VV, but as a certain wise guy I know would say- " That's a shame, no really, that's too bad. I'm sorry to hear that, really". Some of us getting thrown out for politely objecting to being photographed left a bad taste in the gang's mouth- and I guess it's a type of schedenfreud that the place we won't be returning to is sucking major wind lineup- wise, so we ain't missing nothin' neither.

Our GPS took us down the wrong street too- and I had spotted the place on the corner so we zipped around. The club is beautiful, number one in terms of construction and luxury- but I see you too noticed the cramped and "in your face" toilet and locker facilities- I'd use other bathrooms in the hallway rather than the glassed in tiny cubicles, one of which was filled with toilet paper and stuffed early on while the hallway loo had no TP, I guess it was all in the stuffed one.

We figured that party day would have the broadest lineup and so it did- and IMHO there was little room left for loss of SP to make for a satisfactory situation. But they did have lots of free Penthouse in all the lockers and the contact areas.

LBC- good assessment in using VV as a rest home for a slow day during a longer trip. But my gang cannot relax there with all the photogrpahy of male clients going on in public areas LOL, so I guess we'll rest elsewhere. Those toilets are smaller than airplane restrooms and I didn't even try and fit into one- it would be impossible for me. Go to the hallway.

beffen

Dedalus
06-15-08, 10:40
Sorry you wasted your time at VV, but as a certain wise guy I know would say- " That's a shame, no really, that's too bad. I'm sorry to hear that, really".

beffen

Gee, I wonder which angry, bitter, sarcastic curmudgeon THAT could be???

Went there a couple of time a few month ago and I had great hopes for the place. Weak line-up with a few exceptions, but the facilities are top-notch and it is often the case that a club needs some time to get the ball rolling.

I can't justify any club, owner or manager being indiscreet with regards to unauthorized photography of the guests, or being rude to a guest who dares to complain about it.

Inexcusable behavior and enough to keep me from visiting the place.

That's a shame, but GT and LR have better line-ups in any case.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Breadman
06-15-08, 13:44
When it comes time to 'whip something out' in a club, you'd hope it would be something other than a cell phone camera.

Akibono
06-15-08, 16:07
At this point, the MILFy Thai lady has arrived and is making goo-goo eyes at me. I wait until she wanders off somewhere and go into the Kino. Of course, she shows up immediately. Basically, I could not extract myself from another session with her without resorting to be extremely impolite. And, as my pal says, some time you are best letting the women select you. Anyway, the BJ is better and we end up fucking for a while in the Kino. In the end, I get the point across that cumming in her mouth actually involves having my cock in her mouth. Not a bad session, but fucking a Thai woman near my age is probably something I can accomplish without actually paying for it. I decide maybe I can scare her off of me. There is some American porn playing on the movie screen featuring an Asian woman getting a rather vigorous ass pounding. I point this out to the MILFy Thai woman and ask if she likes. She proceeds to get some lube out of her purse and starts to lube up. I have to get across the point, no, no, next time.

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This scene should be nominated for an award.

Member #4170
06-16-08, 05:35
For those keeping checks on my whereabouts, I was in VV on Thursday the 12th.

The main reason for me travelling up to North Rhein Westphalia was to enjoy the pleasures of Goldentime and to try out VV.

I will not repeat what has already been written by many others, they are all correct, the club is supurb, the locker rooms are small and the lineup is pretty second rate, unless you are a fan of plastic titted milfs, to be fare there were a few very attractive Polish girls, I had a session with one, who’s name I can not remember, but would not repeat, some are very friendly, while others were more interested in chatting to there friends then trying to get punters into the rooms.

I did have one pretty good session with a Dutch milf called Annette, all natural, no plastic, the session was good except for the fact that she was very drunk, she had been drinking vodka all afternoon and then her with another girl got some sucker to buy a couple of bottles of champagne, it was quite funny, because of her intoxication she kept telling me during the session that she does this because she likes sex and not because she is a cheap wh*re, or needs the money, her words not mine, after the session she went to the office area to return the zimmer key, while I went to the locker to retrieve the money, where she was meant to meet me, after 5 minutes I had to go to the office to give her the money, one of the bosses did not seem to happy that a customer had to come and find the girl to pay her, rather then her going with him to collect the money.

Would I go back, not right now, I would wait for a few months, and hopefully some good reports, and then would have no problem returning again.

Happy Mongering

IPM

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Chicafan
06-16-08, 22:54
instead of watching the homosexual men get it on in the main lounge per Isseu.

Did Iseeu say that happened? I read his report and didn't see it. That would not be good for business, or at least where most of us are concerned.

Iseeu, thanks for the pics of "Angelina", she's definitely hotter than any girl I saw the night I was there.

Still, I would definitely return but would say for the business to make it they are going to have to have a strong lineup soon.

I thought I read there was a deal in works that paying entrance to PHG gets you into VV. Has anyone else heard this or am I dreaming?

Basketcase
06-16-08, 23:12
I really wanted to write a good report about this club, as it is a really classy place and I appreciate it when someone makes the effort to get it right. But I’ve never been in a *****house where there was no f*cking going on. None. It turns out that it wasn’t only me that couldn’t find someone to f*ck. I spoke to a lot of the guys, mostly Dutch and German, but there were also some Turkish, Lebanese and Israelis and we all had the same problem. One of the Dutch guys commented, that he felt like he was in a high class gay sauna, with a bunch of homos hanging around in their plush robes, eying each other.


Did Iseeu say that happened? I read his report and didn't see it. That would not be good for business, or at least where most of us are concerned.

Chicafan,

This is the quote from Iseeu that I referring to that it was commented that VV felt like a high class gay sauna where the men would be sitting in their plush robes eyeing each up to see who had the tightest arse to fuck.

I agree with this comment as I would bring my gay friends to VV and I think that they would enjoy it as there was little or no fucking of girls going on. In fact some of the men looked better than the girls. But I jest and make light.


I thought I read there was a deal in works that paying entrance to PHG gets you into VV. Has anyone else heard this or am I dreaming?

I heard the same rumour but have not heard anything of the same from the Ice Bears.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Excess
06-17-08, 07:06
As LBC mentioned, this time Isseeu the rascal had his tongue firmly lodged in his own cheek - it does make a change, doesn't it Isseu ?. ;-)))

E.


Did Iseeu say that happened? I read his report and didn't see it. That would not be good for business, or at least where most of us are concerned.

Iseeu, thanks for the pics of "Angelina", she's definitely hotter than any girl I saw the night I was there.

Still, I would definitely return but would say for the business to make it they are going to have to have a strong lineup soon.

I thought I read there was a deal in works that paying entrance to PHG gets you into VV. Has anyone else heard this or am I dreaming?

Peter
06-18-08, 07:02
i have to concur. i want to like this club, but the lineup really is not very good at the moment. i was there and really really had a lot of problems finding anything even mildly interesting. after 2 hours and a continual lowering of mz standards i found a romanian girl who could be passable, but i forgot her name and her service made me feel like i was sort of guilty of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) for even doing anything. i did not force anything in case anyone is reading this wrong, she was just so not into it at all, that i broke it off rather early. if i remembered her name i would mention it, because it definitely is a waste fo time to go with her.

the facility is nice, but i haven't tried fucking a couch yet.

Jackyo
06-18-08, 14:30
The facility is nice, but I haven't tried fucking a couch yet.
Ha!

I've not been yet but here again appears to be a typical Teufelskreis situation: the women want to work at clubs where there are lots of customers, the customers only want to visit clubs where there are enough women but there aren't enough women (or rather enough women of certain selection standards) at this club because there aren't enough customers, and round and round it goes.

I never rush to visit a new club as it need to go through a shakedown cruise phase before it gets its act together.

Unfortunately, great "hardware" (meaning physical facilities) won't make up for substandard "software".

Breadman
06-18-08, 15:02
I never rush to visit a new club as it need to go through a shakedown cruise phase before it gets its act together.


How much time should be given to a new club to get through a shakedown cruise? 4 months, 8 months...a year? Myself, id probably say a year...by next spring we should see the true VV.

Peter
06-18-08, 18:34
except there are enough men visiting this club.

and to the rumor of free entry with entry at PHG, I would have to call BS on that.

The owner of both properties is the same person, but at PHG he was more or less disowned by the management who got themselves some big muscular biker dudes from a well known organisation as muscle and basically changed the locks. If you see some muscular dudes with TCB tattoos, then you know the score.

So the owner fo the property (Who also owns wildenrath) decided to invest some money to make a nicer club just down the street, and that is Villa Vertigo....so I think the chances that he would give free entry to anyone who was still frequenting PHG is slim to none.

Chicafan
06-18-08, 19:21
The owner of both properties is the same person, but at PHG he was more or less disowned by the management who got themselves some big muscular biker dudes from a well known organisation as muscle and basically changed the locks. If you see some muscular dudes with TCB tattoos, then you know the score.

So the owner fo the property (Who also owns wildenrath) decided to invest some money to make a nicer club just down the street, and that is Villa Vertigo....so I think the chances that he would give free entry to anyone who was still frequenting PHG is slim to none. I don't follow the logic here. How could the owner of PHG be disowned by his management?

Dedalus
06-18-08, 20:48
except there are enough men visiting this club.

and to the rumor of free entry with entry at PHG, I would have to call BS on that.

The owner of both properties is the same person, but at PHG he was more or less disowned by the management who got themselves some big muscular biker dudes from a well known organisation as muscle and basically changed the locks. If you see some muscular dudes with TCB tattoos, then you know the score.

So the owner fo the property (Who also owns wildenrath) decided to invest some money to make a nicer club just down the street, and that is Villa Vertigo....so I think the chances that he would give free entry to anyone who was still frequenting PHG is slim to none.

Hey Peter,

It's been a while. Almost figured that you had dropped out of the scene.

Does the VV owner think that it's OK for people to go around photographing other people without their permission?

Like you, I want to like this club. There are even a few girls there who would make the place worth a visit for me. But I got a big problem with such indiscretion on the part of a club's managemnet or owner.

Drop me a PM. Some dudes and myself will be up NRW way next month. Might be cool to hook up.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Jackyo
06-18-08, 21:58
How much time should be given to a new club to get through a shakedown cruise? 4 months, 8 months...a year? Myself, id probably say a year...by next spring we should see the true VV.
If the ownership of Wildenrath and they continue the same approach they used at Wildenrath, it may never get its act together.

A likely scenario for dropping on this place would be that I am in the area, have had my fill at the other neighboring clubs and want to take a day off to do nothing but relax. I'd set low expectations and maybe they might be exceeded.

Ortos
06-18-08, 22:48
A likely scenario for dropping on this place would be that I am in the area, have had my fill at the other neighboring clubs and want to take a day off to do nothing but relax. I'd set low expectations and maybe they might be exceeded.

LOL!! Do you seriously suggest that those conditions would ever really prevail? This is a scenario that would never exist, oder?

Ortos

Iseeu
06-18-08, 23:19
Ha!

I've not been yet but here again appears to be a typical Teufelskreis situation: the women want to work at clubs where there are lots of customers, the customers only want to visit clubs where there are enough women but there aren't enough women (or rather enough women of certain selection standards) at this club because there aren't enough customers, and round and round it goes.

I never rush to visit a new club as it need to go through a shakedown cruise phase before it gets its act together.

Unfortunately, great "hardware" (meaning physical facilities) won't make up for substandard "software".
There are economic and marketing methods used in other businesses that could be implemented here to break out of this type of vicious cycle. I alluded to this when I asked in my post if it wouldn't make sense for the management, who already have a pretty high investment in the place, to guarantee a minimum income to some of the local high class SP for a period of time, and start to generate some positive business flow? That would revert the cycle; more SP= more customers= more SP= MOre customers, etc.

As Peter and others have remarked, they're getting the clientele in the door. Problem is that the management isn't keeping them in the club, and the customers aren't spending enough once they get inside. Basic retail strategy is to maximize the revenue per customer, and provide a satisfactory experience so that the customer will come back rather than going to the store down the road. They're going down on both counts.

There was obviously a large investment made here in hardware (great analogy), but they need to invest a little more to get the right software, or those great hardware features will remain underutilized and their investment will burn away.

There lots of new classy restaurants that open, into which the initial owners plow their savings and build a really great place, with the best kitchen equipment, specially designed furniture, fixtures and decor, deluxe cutlery and dishes, and prime location, only to close soon afterwards because the food/ambience/buzz isn't attractive enough and the slow turnover and high operating costs, make it difficult for the owners to meet the interest payments on the loans that they needed to finance their dreams. Then the next guy comes in, with no investment, tweaks the menu and reaps the benefit of the original owner's hard work and dreams.

All I'm saying is that they should tweak their menu, before it's too late.

Peter
06-19-08, 07:21
I know that the owner of VV has been looking for girls, he has been on many trips to russia, poland and brazil looking for talent.

It has been a bunch of years since he was actively involved in the day to day of clubs,a dn back when he was involved were the heydays of PHG and Wildenrath. Wildenrath has gone fully downhill since the current manager took over about 3 years ago and brought his family in in a big way.

The way PHG sort of disowned him is that they pay the official rent that is listed in the rental agreement, but the significantly higher daily rent fee that was never listed is no longer paid to him, but the big biker guys take a reduced rate.

Basically the owner of VV pretty much invented NRW FKK's as we know them.....Hof did exist before PHG, but PHG and Wildenrath in the mid 90's is what made this a viable business. They went to the eastern european countries, set up the immigration loopholes to get some of the girls into legal status in Germany and made the places into cash machines....but other clubs have come up in the meantime,a dn he got more and more out of the business.

He got back in with VV, sor tof like an old master getting back into the game. He built the place right, he talked some of the best girls of the past into workingn there, but Laura from Latvia, Natasa and co are not really the draws now that they were 6 years ago.

If you know the early days of GT, you know that Tom, the ex manager of PHG had spent monmths at PHG collecting phone numbers of the top girls there to keep trying to talk them into jumping ship. It took 6 months for them to get the place halfway decent.

I have been at VV with decent girls, but the last trip was the worst. And I have no idea what deda is on about, I never saw pictures being taken.

I mean my best club visits in years were the last 3 to Babylon which was a forgotten club and way off my radar. They got themselves 3 good new girls and it changed my experience 100 fold.......isabelle was the best girl I had met in a club in years, sadly she might be back out of the game again as quickly as she came....

Jackyo
06-19-08, 11:01
LOL!! Do you seriously suggest that those conditions would ever really prevail? This is a scenario that would never exist, oder?

Ortos
This little corner of NRW is experiencing a club arms race and such a concentration of talent it is about ready to implode.

As it stands now, Wildenrath hasn't kept up with the rest of the other clubs for various reasons (confusing pricing being amongst them).

I crossed PHG off my list years ago and I believe I've described why in great detail elsewhere.

Goldentime is the only club in this area I'd consider visiting.

I cannot comment on Yin Yang as I've never been.

Basketcase
06-19-08, 20:18
I know that the owner of VV has been looking for girls, he has been on many trips to russia, poland and brazil looking for talent.

It has been a bunch of years since he was actively involved in the day to day of clubs,a dn back when he was involved were the heydays of PHG and Wildenrath.

Basically the owner of VV pretty much invented NRW FKK's as we know them......

He got back in with VV, sor tof like an old master getting back into the game. He built the place right, he talked some of the best girls of the past into workingn there, but Laura from Latvia, Natasa and co are not really the draws now that they were 6 years ago.


Peter,

Is the gentleman that you refer to the tall bald headed man that you see wearing a blazer and jeans workign the floor and directing staff at Villa Vertigo. I understood from others that he was both the owner and manager of VV.

If this guy invented NRW saunaclubs then we owe him a great debt in producing a fantastic model that appears to work inside the law and provide top notch adult entertainment.

Kind regardss

Londonbasketcase

Dedalus
06-20-08, 12:19
And I have no idea what deda is on about, I never saw pictures being taken.
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Hey Peter,

I hesitate to go into too many details about this for a number of reasons; the main one being that I was not present when the really disturbing incidents took place. Those details were related to me by trusted and well experienced board members who also happen to be Gentleman of the finest kind whose word is unimpeachable in my experience.

However I can say that on my two visits to the place that there was a guy with an Macbook and rather nice and sizable camera and tripod taking shots of the place in the main area to the right of the reception. I did not think much of it at the time because I never noticed them taking shots of me, although who knows what was going on while I was napping. The guys was clad in a robe and appeared to be a regular guest and not a professional photographer on a gig.

The Gents in question likely do not want to make too big a deal of the situation. I think that Beffen has written a little about it and it has been referred to on another board.

Basically it comes down to two things: a) Whether or not the owner or management has the right to take unauthorized photos of Gents who visit Villa Vertigo and, b) Whether or not the owner and management are justified in removing for the club guest who dare to complain about such treatment.

The guys who were the victims of this have a legitimate beef in my opinion. And if the management ousted them simply to make room for new guest (and new entrance fees), then this is also inexcusable.

I can't see how I personally can reward the place with my patronage in either case.

However, I hope that we can meet up at GT or LR next month when the rest of the guys show up. I'll keep you posted.

Cheerio,

Dedalus

Jackyo
06-20-08, 12:42
If this guy invented NRW saunaclubs then we owe him a great debt in producing a fantastic model that appears to work inside the law and provide top notch adult entertainment.

Kind regardss

Londonbasketcase
Don't know dates and details but Bernd (I understand he's long gone) came up with concept.

Chicafan
06-20-08, 17:44
I crossed PHG off my list years ago and I believe I've described why in great detail elsewhere.

Goldentime is the only club in this area I'd consider visiting.

You're a snob! :) I can't imagine why you wouldn't want to visit PHG once in a while. I'll say this though, about a year and a half ago I met a really great girl at LR- I went to LR because it was the sister club of GT where I had already visited and enjoyed immensely. Anyway, this girl was only at LR for the night and normally worked PHG. She said PHG usually had 60 girls, mostly very attractive. I did not realize it was only 20-30 easy minutes from GT so I went my next trip, in search of her. I really really liked PGH my first few visits. It doesn't have the size and facilities of GT but was much more personal and intimate with some very good girls. I've had some nights and sessions at PHG that made Brazilian termas seem "so so"- where I couldn't keep track there were so many terrific girls. That said, it seems like some things have happened there that coincided with the opening of VV but not necessarily related, since few of the PHG girls moved permanently to VV. There are more reports of fewer guys and girls at PHG and a less festive atmosphere. I could be reading the situation wrong and there is always are peaks and valleys. But I do wonder if PHG has fallen back a little. If there is a better club in the area than PHG aside from GT I would like to know.

Peter
06-20-08, 21:51
bernds was the first sauna club, but the atmosphere, size and pricing were all different than what the current nrw base is. that was PHG. Babylon also predates phg, but those were always smaller clubs with max of 25 girls working, with blowjobs on the sofas and stuff. PHG was the giant club at the time, with up to 100 girls regularly working. Back then wildenrath was the one that was fully FKK, and more expensive and a bit wilder and more clubby. He took the idea form the termas in brazil combined with what bernds had done, and at a similar time mauro in frankfurt was doing oase.

Cynical
06-22-08, 23:50
I'm the guy with the sizable camera and MacBook, and I can tell you nothing sinister was happening. I am a professional photographer and half the photos on their blog are mine.

I was indeed on a gig, and never photographed any guests, just girls for the blog and the facilities. If you look at the blog you will see that any member face was blurred out if he was accidentally on a shot that we wanted to use.

I also am a monger, so you have seen me with a bathrobe or with clothes while on assignment.

Jackyo
06-23-08, 09:34
You're a snob! :) I can't imagine why you wouldn't want to visit PHG once in a while. I'll say this though, about a year and a half ago I met a really great girl at LR- I went to LR because it was the sister club of GT where I had already visited and enjoyed immensely. Anyway, this girl was only at LR for the night and normally worked PHG. She said PHG usually had 60 girls, mostly very attractive. I did not realize it was only 20-30 easy minutes from GT so I went my next trip, in search of her. I really really liked PGH my first few visits. It doesn't have the size and facilities of GT but was much more personal and intimate with some very good girls. I've had some nights and sessions at PHG that made Brazilian termas seem "so so"- where I couldn't keep track there were so many terrific girls. That said, it seems like some things have happened there that coincided with the opening of VV but not necessarily related, since few of the PHG girls moved permanently to VV. There are more reports of fewer guys and girls at PHG and a less festive atmosphere. I could be reading the situation wrong and there is always are peaks and valleys. But I do wonder if PHG has fallen back a little. If there is a better club in the area than PHG aside from GT I would like to know.
As I've reported elsewhere, I have had two refusal of service experiences at PHG. It is the only club I've ever experienced it at (and this is out of a total of close to forty different clubs that I've visited). Will I drop by again? Maybe but only if I find myself in the area with a car and time to kill. That won't be anytime soon.

GT is easily the best club in the area but I am not in a hurry to return to GT either.

I prefer Mom-and-Pop style clubs with smaller edited selections of relationship-oriented women rather than larger Fickfabriken with unedited and more transaction-oriented women. This is entirely a personal preference.

When I enter a club I tend to divide the selection into several categories immediately: a) "must-meet-or-else-you-will-regret it", b) "so-so-but-will-do-in-a-pinch", c) "un-f'able" or "you-have-to-pay-me-first".

Then I take category a) and divide it further into a) "very-doable-because-she-sends-out-the-right-signals", b) "not-doable-because-either-she-doesn't-smile-enough-or-because-we-are-not-going-to-understand-each-other". I (usually) have no interest in inarticulate and bitchy ice queens no matter how terrific they look.

There is, of course, the matter of actually sitting down and having a conversation with her to do additional screening.

I only need to find one chick who meets these screens in a club. I don't need to find ten of them (I usually don't have the time to find ten of them in any one club anyway).

If she is really good and we are on the same wavelength I multiple session with her and the sessions only get better.

In this neck of the woods, Wildenrath used to be more my style but its lost its mojo.

At a Partytreff though I lower my standards considerably. I will poke at anyone who invites me to poke at her.

I am an equal opportunity poker.

Dedalus
06-23-08, 21:05
I'm the guy with the sizable camera and MacBook, and I can tell you nothing sinister was happening. I am a professional photographer and half the photos on their blog are mine.

I was indeed on a gig, and never photographed any guests, just girls for the blog and the facilities. If you look at the blog you will see that any member face was blurred out if he was accidentally on a shot that we wanted to use.

I also am a monger, so you have seen me with a bathrobe or with clothes while on assignment.


Hello Cynical,

(Great nick, BTW. I wish that I had used it first.)

If you were the one snapping shots of the Gentlemen in question, then you know the incident that I am referring to. Also, with all due respect to you, I am simply inclined to believe their account of what transpired. Having known these people for some time now, I cannot see where they would have a reason to distort the truth.

Surely you have to realize how disturbing it would be to many of a club's guests to have you or anyone else taking their photo indiscriminately and without permission. At the very least it is rude and indiscreet. At the utmost it could be rather dangerous and problematic for the person photographed. I would certainly NOT feel comfortable knowing that you had a shot of my ownself on your hard disk. I do not know you and I have no idea how you would use them. I'll line up probably 100 men who would have the same concerns as myself.

I have no problem with you photographing somebodies club if they want you to. Also if a girl or guy WANTS to be the subject of your lens, then fire away. More power to you and I hope that your work makes the cover of "Focus".

However I believe that you may have invaded and violated the privacy of some friends of mine. What is worse is that the management of Villa Vertigo not only allowed this, but gave my friends the "Bum's rush" when they dared to remonstrate; probably just to clear out needed locker space so that more entrance fees could be collected.

Rather bad form, as the English would say. Rude, dishonest and discourteous behavior. Also disappointing, for as I have stated earlier, I want to like this club.

Cynical, your actions and the those of the Villa Vertigo management are abbhorent in my estimation. Unfortunately, it has often been my experience in Germany that too often people are so stubborn that they would sooner chew their arms off rather than admit that they are wrong. ( To my dear German friends on this board, please forgive my observations of this stereotype. I hate stereotypes and try strenuously to avoid them. Please allow me this one indulgence.) Therefore I do not expect your attitude, nor that of the Villa Vertigo management to change. I can only say that the possible regular patronage of myself and a good number Gents that I know and associate with won't be in the cards for Villa Vertigo, even on Gentleman's Poker Night.

Good luck to you, Sir.

Dedalus

Ekliges Lauern
06-23-08, 22:42
Cynical, your actions and the those of the Villa Vertigo management are abbhorent in my estimation.

I've got to second this sentiment. Photography of any kind in an FKK or Sauna should be strickly verboten. If a lady wants to allow photography in the room, that's her business. However, photography of either men or women in the public areas of the club should be strickly off limits for privacy reasons.

Do any of us really want our image at club out there on the internet?

Basketcase
06-24-08, 00:04
I'm the guy with the sizable camera and MacBook, and I can tell you nothing sinister was happening. I am a professional photographer and half the photos on their blog are mine.

I was indeed on a gig, and never photographed any guests, just girls for the blog and the facilities. If you look at the blog you will see that any member face was blurred out if he was accidentally on a shot that we wanted to use.

I also am a monger, so you have seen me with a bathrobe or with clothes while on assignment.

Hi Cynical,

Are you still living at Villa Vertigo? Could you explain a bit more about how one can stay the night at Villa Vertigo with the girls?

I last saw you in April on one of my fleeting Nord Rhein Westfalen visits. You had your cameras and macbook out taking pictures of the club, and men who were asked if they were okay with photos, the girls who volunteered and so forth for the Las Vegas poker night.

Regards

Londonbasketcase

Cynical
06-24-08, 10:52
Hi there,

Anyone can stay the night, I believe it is like 150EUR / Night.

Most photos I do are done in rooms with the girls, and I am not aware of anyone being kicked out after complaining to me of taking photos.

The only gent I ever had addressing me was while I was taking some shots said something in the lines of "Does that camera know how to swim", was that you Dadelus?

As a monger myself I am extremelly worried about privacy and never even offer to take photos of guests, though I had a couple asking me to take a shot.

Normally I am on assignment with a particular girl, and I am careful to use lenses with very wide aperture to blur out guest's faces even on the negative. See this example:

http://blog.villavertigo.de/?p=123

Maybe a guest that was standing behind the girl would think he was in the shot, but all he is is what we call "bokeh", not recognizable. And I repeat, that is even on the negative.

If anyone wants to have a chat with me I am gonna be at the villa thursday and friday, glad to help out.


Hi Cynical,

Are you still living at Villa Vertigo? Could you explain a bit more about how one can stay the night at Villa Vertigo with the girls?

I last saw you in April on one of my fleeting Nord Rhein Westfalen visits. You had your cameras and macbook out taking pictures of the club, and men who were asked if they were okay with photos, the girls who volunteered and so forth for the Las Vegas poker night.

Regards

Londonbasketcase

Dedalus
06-24-08, 20:12
Hi there,


The only gent I ever had addressing me was while I was taking some shots said something in the lines of "Does that camera know how to swim", was that you Dadelus?




Hello Cynical,

Naw, if I had caught you taking shots of me I wouldn't have even asked the question. Where I'm from you don't ask, you act. Believe me, my friends dealt with the incident much more calmly then I would have.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Basketcase
06-24-08, 20:20
Anyone can stay the night, I believe it is like 150EUR / Night.

Hi Cynical,

Thanks for the info about staying the night at Villa Vertigo.

When you see some hotels in Dusseldorf at Messe time going for €200 to €350 a night then paying VV €150 for the night sounds reasonable and you get to play with the girls and then just head to your room to sleep. I recall the rooms in the main building were lavish with nice King sized beds and own bathrooms (like Yin Yang). You can also have your drinks and meals inclusive at VV for €50 entrance fee. So a up €200 per day for a near 24 hour stay. I guess you do not need to check out as you just open the club with the girls.

IS there a discounted rate for taking a girl to sleep with you?

I vaguely remember that some of the girls do not like sleeping alone and want male company and may sleep with you gratis. Yay. I suppose you need to be a frequent flyer with her and she really likes you. Not an option for the first time visitor to VV I expect.

Regards

Londondbasketcase

Cynical
06-25-08, 23:01
Just for the record I was not taking photos of any gentleman, just a customer saw me with the camera and decided to get worried. I'm not paid to shoot customers but girls.


Hello Cynical,

Naw, if I had caught you taking shots of me I wouldn't have even asked the question. Where I'm from you don't ask, you act. Believe me, my friends dealt with the incident much more calmly then I would have.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Villavertigo
06-25-08, 23:40
Hello!

I am Stephan, owner and manager of Villa Vertigo. I would like to report about the evening with the picture:

I ask one employee to take some pictures of our event - but only for internal use. I am highly aware of privacy of our clients. Nobody has ever seen a picture of a client somewhere and this will never ever happen.

The man complained about taking a picture. According to his opinion he was on this picture. I explained to him that none of any pictures will be published and they are only for internal use. Additonal we showed him the chip of the camera and none of any clients could be recognized.

He did not stop complaining for approx. 5 min. becoming louder and louder (being drunken) and at the end I asked to leave the club because I do not want or accept loud discussions in front of the reception.

Best regards,

Stephan

Capitola
06-26-08, 11:30
Stephan

It is nice you are here responding on this forum about the incident.

You were right (and in your rights) to kick the guy out of the door if he was drunk BUT you are very wrong to have allowed anybody with a camera to be visible in an FKK club.

It is a huge mistake so it would be more appreciated if you would say: sorry guys, it was a mistake and we apologize.

Let me take this chance to give you few suggestions to increase your business which none of the club in the NRW area do (and I know it is done in other mongering coutries)

1. You should allow credit cards to pay entrance with some name like "Restaurant blah" so that people can expense at least the entry fee as business expense. I know of places in brazil where they will even expense your fucks spread over many days (with fake dates) so you can can fully have your company to pay for your screws.

2. You should have an area for working out. Not much, a runner board, couple of dumbells and few abs tools.

This way people go, workout the body then relax, get a fuck, a massage, eat and expense. THAT would be perfect.

3. Take that lesbian movies off the kino. We want to see real porno with cocks.

4. Take that annoying frikking fashion TV off the screen. The girls cannot match those models anyway and it is ruining my erection when comparing Gisele Bundchen with the prostitutes that can never be THAT perfect.

5. The facilities are great but they provide too much of a "sterilized" perceptions which is not good. You should allow couch action like at Bernd or F39 and thing will improve.

At the moment when I think VV the perception is "first class sterilized hospital" and I prefeir to switch to LR or GT or f39 or Bernd where a dirty vibe is present (where I can get BBBJ in kinos or in the garden when others are watching).

I want to be your customer but you get to do something to attract me. So far it is not good.

Yours truly,

Capitola

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Henio
06-26-08, 20:07
Hello!

I am Stephan, owner and manager of Villa Vertigo. I would like to report about the evening with the picture:

I ask one employee to take some pictures of our event - but only for internal use. I am highly aware of privacy of our clients. Nobody has ever seen a picture of a client somewhere and this will never ever happen.

The man complained about taking a picture. According to his opinion he was on this picture. I explained to him that none of any pictures will be published and they are only for internal use. Additonal we showed him the chip of the camera and none of any clients could be recognized.

He did not stop complaining for approx. 5 min. becoming louder and louder (being drunken) and at the end I asked to leave the club because I do not want or accept loud discussions in front of the reception.

Best regards,

Stephan Ohh well, I was really gonna let this whole thing go by, but since we have the owner stating some misinformation here, I feel obligated to respond:

I observed the whole thing from start to finish. I was sitting with the "complainant" eating by one of the outside table and not far away Angelina was dancing. After a while we notice there is a photographer taking picture, and he is turning the camera towards us (not at Angelina).

We walk up to the photographer and my friend asks him
"were you taking our picture?"
"Absolutely" was the response
"Can you please delete them"
"Absolutely not"

The photographer was dressed in a red rope just like any other customer and as such not distinguishable from other guests except that he had the camera

My friend went to the desk to complain, and I witnessed the whole exchange. He was not loud, he was not drunk (he even was the designated driver for the night) but he was indeed upset about having his picture taken by another guest of the club.

The discussion lasted about 30-45 seconds, not 5 minutes, and yes, there was a line of customers waiting at the desk since there were no free lockers which may have added to the manager's stress level.

Stephan, the manager cut my friend of in mid sentence and did indeed say that the photographer was working for the club and the pictures were for his own personal collection. My friend objected since he does not want his picture in a FKK to be anybody's personal collection and explained to Stephan that this activity was "not cool", but did so in a composed allthough a little bit upset manner, but at no time was he loud or obnoxious and at no time did he show any activity that should have had Stephan come to the conclusion that he was drunk.

Stephan, you were the one that was loud, raising you voice close to shouting "this is my club and I do what I like. If you don't like it then you can leave". This you said couple of times cutting off my friend in mid sentence when he was trying to explain why that taking pictures of him in a club was an uppsetting activity.

My friend then accepted that he was not getting anywhere with this so he turned around and walked away. At this you went after him and said "I have changed my mind. You leave the club now".

So, this is exactly how it went down. Stephan may see it differently and look at it as a challange to his authority of the club, but not recognising the issue at hand as being problematic for the guest is a bit strange.

We left the club (since there were few of us sharing a ride) and at no time was any reimbursement offered, and we did not ask for one. To be honest, it looked like you were using the opportunity to clear out some lockers since the whole situation was non-threatening and we were walking away from the issue when you decided to have us leave. This is however our observation and I am not stating it as fact, but all else above are absolute facts on the situation.

Now, there are a few mistakes I believe that were made in handling the issue:

a) The photographer was dressed in a red rope just like any other visitor giving no indication that he was working for the club. He looked like any other guest except with a camera filming the guests. This is a mistake by the club. The guests should be able to identify the photographer and have the opportunity to move away (like most other clubs do).

b) If Stephan felt uncomfortable having this issue discussed in front of other guests, then he should have offered to take the conversation to another place.

c) Shouting at the client in a threatening way is just bad style, there are much better ways available to establish authority over the situation.

d) The guests in question left the club without getting their entry fee paid back. Not a big deal really, but I think when you decide to throw someone out of club for complaining, you should pay back the entry fee.

I have been in this game for 10 years, visited clubs all around Germany, and I was very surprised witnessing the manner which the issue was handled. I can only assume that the Stephan was overstressed or something like that because of the whole party thing and did not act rationally and in a composed manner.

Having said that and to be fair, not me nor my friends have no reason to distrust that the pictures are only private and will not be published, but we just don't want to be a part of anybodies private collection period. There is no way knowing where the pictures will end up (some of you may know of the YY incident). While the management does not acknowledge this concern, we canoot visit VV which is a shame since we really liked the club and the facilities (lineup needs improvement though) and the party was great up until this point.

I am aware that security cameras at clubs have pictures and there is close captioning all around the club, but this is a different scenario for many reasons I won't go into.

Facilities are great, food is great, lineup is decent and will probably improve soon, but taking my photo in a club in such an explicit manner is a NoNo for me, and handling the issue like it was handled is just plain wrong.

Ekliges Lauern
06-26-08, 20:38
I ask one employee to take some pictures of our event - but only for internal use. I am highly aware of privacy of our clients. Nobody has ever seen a picture of a client somewhere and this will never ever happen.

While we all understand security cameras are present, most of us are uncomfortable with being photographed in a club for privacy reasons. Usually there are signs indicating the presence of security cameras.

I would turn it around. Am I, as a guest, allowed to bring a camera to your club and openly photograph the club staff?

Basketcase
06-26-08, 22:20
Salute, Stephan of Villa Vertigo,


2. You should have an area for working out. Not much, a runner board, couple of dumbells and few abs tools.

This way people go, workout the body then relax, get a fuck, a massage, eat and expense. THAT would be perfect.

I agree with Capitola here. A work out area would be of interest but this is not for me. At my home and work I have a gym but I only step in there when I need a shower.

Because of my unheathly state I think I would do myself injury. When I went for a health check recently the supervisor said there would be three exercise trials to test my cardio which would go on my medical file. I did two of the tests doing my best to meet the required level.

After the second test the supervisor stopped me saying I need not perform the third as he was worried that I would collapse on the exercise cycle and maybe have a cardiac arrest such was my exertion to meet the minimum standards.

I have the results of that exercise test on my wall as a reminder of my fantastic physical condition. There is a graph with a line for average as its midpoint and I am flatlining at the bottom.


3. Take that lesbian movies off the kino. We want to see real porno with cocks.

Yes, I so much agree. Why are there lesbian movies on in the VV kino??!!!!

I cannot get hard watching girls lick each others' muschis. I want a nice hard and clean schwanz pushing its way into young and nubile pretty girls' mouths, wide open muschis and gaping arseholes. Watching that while getting a BJ in the kino makes me horny.

Please have heterosexual pornos not gay ones please.


4. Take that annoying frikking fashion TV off the screen. The girls cannot match those models anyway and it is ruining my erection when comparing Gisele Bundchen with the prostitutes that can never be THAT perfect.

Agree again here. Fashion TV - what is that all about. I am not in a sauna club to buy clothes. I want my girls to be naked, not in high end fashion.


5. The facilities are great but they provide too much of a "sterilized" perceptions which is not good. You should allow couch action like at Bernd or F39 and thing will improve.

At the moment when I think VV the perception is "first class sterilized hospital" and I prefeir to switch to LR or GT or f39 or Bernd where a dirty vibe is present (where I can get BBBJ in kinos or in the garden when others are watching).

I agree here too. VV feels too clean and sanitized as Capitola says. I would feel wrong getting a BJ on the couch in the main lounge area before going to the room.


I want to be your customer but you get to do something to attract me. So far it is not good.

VV would be such a great club if the girl line ups improve drastically and a bit more tweaks on what is allowed (kino and couch action) and is shown (hetero porn).

Ciao,

Londonbasketcase

Beffen1
06-27-08, 01:57
Hello!

I am Stephan, owner and manager of Villa Vertigo. I would like to report about the evening with the picture:


The man complained about taking a picture. According to his opinion he was on this picture. I explained to him that none of any pictures will be published and they are only for internal use. Additonal we showed him the chip of the camera and none of any clients could be recognized.

He did not stop complaining for approx. 5 min. becoming louder and louder (being drunken) and at the end I asked to leave the club because I do not want or accept loud discussions in front of the reception.

Best regards,

Stephan


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Toscana
06-27-08, 15:44
Let me send you two market messages you will understand.

1. I shall not be paying entry money to your club until I hear from trusted forum members that this photography danger for clients of VV exists no more.

2. I generally feel well treated by your several nearby competitors, when I pay them entry money, and have certainly never been shouted at.

Dick Travel
06-27-08, 19:06
....I have followed with interest.

I was not there so cannot comment on anyones attitudes or actions.

My thoughts though are as follows. I do not know the photographer neither do I know the management, as such I would not know whether I could trust either of them entirely. I expect both are good for their word, but, for me trust is something that grows as I get to know people, as such in this situation i would feel very very uncomfortable.

I would think the best plan should an establishment wish to take photos would be to announce it very clearly with a big sign at reception advising that shots were being taken and between what hours, and in addition verbally mention this to people arriving. (if people were to be blurred out or not in focus then this could be explained)

As also suggested by another member - make the photographer stand out, it gives the customers a chance to avoid being in shot entirely.

Finally, a manager of any establishment, when hearing a complaint should apologise in any event, whether they agree with the customer or not. It is just good practice and shows respect and gratitude for custom. If an establishment feels something was wrong then recompense may be offerred, if not then they can simply thank the customer for bringing the issue to their attention. Polite, attentive, simple, effective.

What I find alarming is an apparent failure to understand the concern.

I have recently read good reports of this place and had considered visiting this weekend, but, I shall probably play safe now and go elsewhere.

DT

Duralong
06-27-08, 22:53
As posted elsewhere, I am considering another trip to Fuckland, probably next month. In my plan I initially listed also VV, but a number of bad signs (just read the complaints for this and that in previous posts) are advising me to cancel it. Last but not least this photos issue.
I totally agree with Toscana and Dick Travel.

Henio
06-28-08, 04:35
Guys,

I really don't want to disourage others to visit the club. You now know of the fact that there is a club employee "disguised" as a guest taking pictures and you can avoid his camera by being aware of it (unfortunately we were not aware of this practice at the time). My problem and my friends is that we were mistreated, but that does not have to mean that you will and I am sure that they will reconsider their work habits of when and how to make photos (although it would probably ease the mind of many if Stephan would actually say so).

Other than this unfortunate incident, it is a fantastic looking club with excellent facilities and I am sure the lineup will improve. I suggest you make up your own mind regardless of my and my friends problems with the management. I was not even going to post about it (thinking it was a very isolated incident due to Stephan stress level having all the customers waiting at the desk and no lockers to hand out) until Stephan decided to give his account how it went down which was from my point of view a very distorted description of the truth.

When we left the club, we decided not to have the incident eat at us and spoil our evening so we just drove to LR and had a nice time there (always treated like kings there) and just kind of threw the thing over our shoulders so to speak, but too many board members witnessed the whole thing so I guess it was bound to surface here.

Let's at least give the management a change to come up with revised photo rules in the club (no private collection of guests) and then you can hopefully make up your mind based on things like lineup, facilities etc. that hopefully will be the only deciding factors.

As for me and my friends, we can't really go again on principle since we can't give our money to someone that treated us unfairly, but I am not calling for a boycott on the club. I am trying to be fair here since I don't think that one mistake (oh well, kind of series of mistakes tied to one incident) should cause others to avoid the club.

If you see a photographer "disguised" as a guest aim his camera in your direction, a good idea would be to just gently push the bugger into the pool with his gear :-) I realize that we were probably way to polite to him at the time :-)

Fkk Lover
06-28-08, 04:51
Wow... as I trust and believe the gentelmen who were wrongly treated by the owner, I will also take my business elsewhere until this matter is resolved.

Ah well, there will always be another club around the corner to put the badly managed ones out of business...

Cynical
06-28-08, 07:19
I do a photoshoot at the Villa once a month, last was this Thursday. This is to provide interesting images for the blog, that I am sure you guys enjoy to see. A couple of them are already up on the blog.

Most of it is done on the luxurious rooms upstairs, with a one hour shoot by the pool and open area.

As I shoot with A Canon 1Ds and a 1D. Really large pro cameras. It is fairly obvious that photos are being taken, or maybe the 20kg photo accessories bag would be a dead giveaway anyway.

This time I was very careful to approach every guest in the pool area and warn him that we were going to make a photoshoot. This gave them plentiful warning in case they felt distrustful that our objective was not to get club guests. Only one guest left the pool area.

You should understand that if the security cameras on every club are a much higher risk to your privacy, as they record everything in their vicinity, rather than a photographer who can wait a few seconds to click the shutter until a gentleman disappears from the frame.

I do shoot in a bathrobe as I found it makes the girls a bit more at ease and makes it easier for me to enjoy the facilities in between photo sessions.

I can't comment on the incidents referred to on this board, as I was not there, but have always found the management of the Villa to be the most courteous of any FKK I've been to, and I am a pretty serious monger myself.


Wow... as I trust and believe the gentelmen who were wrongly treated by the owner, I will also take my business elsewhere until this matter is resolved.

Ah well, there will always be another club around the corner to put the badly managed ones out of business...

Fusco
06-28-08, 14:37
I was the person thrown out of the club.

I asked the photographer if he had taken my photo and he replied "Absolutely!" When I asked him to delete it he said, "Absolutely not!"

I then came to the front desk to let management know what was going on. I was at all times calm. I did not raise my voice. I did not curse at you.

I was not drunk. As Henio has said I was the designated driver for the group.

You responded by raising your voice at me in a threatening manner and shaking your fist in front of my face at one point.

When I turned and walked away without saying another word you then chased after me and threw me out.

At no time did you let me see "the chip."

Based on your actions that day and lack of truthfulness in this thread, I encourage others NOT to visit Villa Vertigo.


Hello!

I am Stephan, owner and manager of Villa Vertigo. I would like to report about the evening with the picture:

I ask one employee to take some pictures of our event - but only for internal use. I am highly aware of privacy of our clients. Nobody has ever seen a picture of a client somewhere and this will never ever happen.

The man complained about taking a picture. According to his opinion he was on this picture. I explained to him that none of any pictures will be published and they are only for internal use. Additonal we showed him the chip of the camera and none of any clients could be recognized.

He did not stop complaining for approx. 5 min. becoming louder and louder (being drunken) and at the end I asked to leave the club because I do not want or accept loud discussions in front of the reception.

Best regards,

Stephan

Kiwi 69
06-28-08, 22:37
Made a stop at VV the other Friday night.The facilities are flashy ,but a bit of a cluster fuck regarding practicality,i.e., the drying area out side the showers is about the size of a telephone box and is the access to the (2!)toilets, so it´s a high traffic area .The fucking DJ in the bar seems to experiment on the maximum volume the human ear can tolerate. Impossible to hold any form of conversation.

Large groups of SP`s monopolised most of the couches in this bar. Most appeared to show little interest in the customers.Had decided to sample Alia (Phillipina,as reported on the Icebears forum) but that was a disappointment.
She didn´t do CIM, rest of service was so,so.

Found Natasha ,but she was drunk and in one of her moods ,so I called it quits. A totally uninspiring bunch of (service?)providers.

Henio
06-29-08, 00:04
@Cynical: If I understand correctly, then it was not you shooting photos during the Hustler party right? The "photographer" at the Hustler party followed us to the front desk and stood behind Fusco grinning like an idiot while Fusco was speaking to Stephan.

Cynical
06-29-08, 07:56
No it wasn't me. I wish I had been there to do, I mean see the hustler girls, but I couldn't make it to the Villa due to other commitments.


@Cynical: If I understand correctly, then it was not you shooting photos during the Hustler party right? The "photographer" at the Hustler party followed us to the front desk and stood behind Fusco grinning like an idiot while Fusco was speaking to Stephan.

Excess
06-29-08, 08:29
There is a good reason why most reputable FKK's ban the use of mobiles in premises by guests and often there are signs posted to this effect. As mobiles now almost invariably have a camera, it is protect the anominity of paying guests and girls who it should be remembered are usually also paying guests in German FKK's.

Clearly Villa Vertigo isn't one of these FKK clubs. Photoshoots should only be done using girls and perhaps guests in off hours and certainly after having fully informed all in the club before hand and obtained a signed "Model's Release Form" from all even remotely in shot. Any other method is disrespectful and probably illegal.

FKK Villa Vertigo will go onto my personal 'Do Not Go' list. The wallet is a mighty weapon.

Henio
06-29-08, 14:07
This time I was very careful to approach every guest in the pool area and warn him that we were going to make a photoshoot. This gave them plentiful warning in case they felt distrustful that our objective was not to get club guests. Only one guest left the pool area.
It would be interesting knowing how many members of this board do not mind being a part of your personal FKK photo collection. Seems to me that lot of them would object.

Now we now at least that there is a photo shoot going on regularly in the public areas of the club. Thanks for letting us in on that and then the readers of this board can then decide for themselves if they want to take the chance.

There was an incident at YY where a male visitor's face was put on the web without blurring it. Of course it was an accident, but it happened, the picture stayed there for a while until the mistake was discovered. That one can't be reversed. It would not have happened if the photo did not exist in the first place. Get the point? Security cameras are not there to make publishable photos like you are with your professional Canon 1Ds. Get it now?

I remember some time ago you had a Flickr site going with your FKK photos. I do not doubt that you take care of blurring out faces of customers and stuff, and I have no reason to distrust you but note that I also have absolutely no reason to trust you either. Knowing that you are regularly strutting around with a camera in the club taking pictures in the public area is a reason enough for lots of guys not visiting, and I am amazed of the stupidy of management letting that go on, and even more amazed of the thickness of those who do not recognize this as a major concern for visitors, that is just borderline retarded.

Beffen1
06-29-08, 14:49
Whereas a formal apology, preferably including entritt frei, for my two friends, who were treated with arrogance, disrespect, and then ejected merely for making a polite but concerned request regarding the use of their images in the public domain, is not forthcoming,
and whereas no assurances of management discontinuing this practice of commercial/artistic photography of guests is forthcoming,
and whereas the line-up and attitude of the girls at this club, with notable exceptions, are subject to repeated "less than glowing" reviews from the esteemed members of this board,
and whereas the damn music is too loud,
I must join the growing ranks of the members of this august academy of muschi worshippers in adding my name to the list of mongers who will not be visiting VV until such conditions have been remedied. It's too late to fix the tiny towel off toilet main room entrance (where you can watch guests towelling off their arsehole while you sip your cocktail -LOL).

And besides, none of my mates will drive me there anyway.

Breadman
06-29-08, 16:00
These review boards abound, you name the country and you'll find a handful (if not more) devoted to reporting on the hobby. Out of the number of guys posting there is a greater number of guys just reading reports, getting information for future trips. I've seen agency owners in Montreal handle the public relation department with so much skill guys will book with them even if the girl doesn't compare with another agency's girls.

I've also seen owners stumble and make idiotic statements that drive away business in droves. Stephan falls under this list. This has got to be the worst public relation move by an owner of a club...hands down.

Spanish Main
06-29-08, 22:20
Dear Cynical,

May I suggest that you advise your boss in the strongest way possible that it would be in his best interests to offer an apology on this forum.

Customer satisfaction is absolutely paramount in business, especially as the recession grows, so eating of some humble pie is recommended; whether justified in Stephan´s eyes or not.

The cost of a couple of free tickets and a bottle of wine in compensation is a small price to pay for goodwill. It takes a lot of money to get a client - it costs a whole lot more if you upset him.

Pride is the shortest route to bankruptcy!

If Stephan reads this forum he must understand the damage that he is doing to himself!

Travelerb69
06-30-08, 01:27
I have been reading this threat on the photos issue and it just amazed me. Both the owner of the club and the photographer think there is nothing wrong about taking customer’s pictures... And to make matters worse those customers who politely complained were just basically kicked out of the club without any kind of refund. These are unquestionable facts that were witnessed by some forum members and somewhat confirmed by the manager/owner.


Stephan and the photographer, please give us a break... In any kind of place related to prostitution pictures are not allowed, PERIOD. It does not matter if taken by customers, management, girls or whoever. And your argument that customer’s faces would eventually be blurred is just pathetic. Do you think we have to trust you just because you own the place? If I drop by your club with a very big camera stating that I am a nice guy and all faces will be blurred, will you allow me to take any pictures?


The mere fact of being photographed is already a stress, regardless if one day pictures will become public or not. And shit does happen; the card or the hard drive may just change hands... I put myself in the place of the forum members that were photographed and are here making it public-what guarantee do they have that you will not retaliate by making their photos public? I have been to clubs in many places for more than a decade and this is the first time I took notice of something like this, it is just ridiculous. Take pictures of the places facilities and the girls at non-opening hours, just like every other club...


Vila Vertigo has not yet taken off, it is located in NRW, with lots of competitors, the strongest being Golden Time and they do something like this...unbelievable...

As for me, VV WAS scheduled for my next trip, in spite of the bad line-up reported here. After the incident, I will NEVER set my feet there, as long as the owner-management remains the same, regardless if they stop the crappy picture taking or not. I do not know about you guys, but for me the problem while planning a trip to NRW is the great amount of sauna clubs/FKKS/PTs to visit, one club less is welcome...

But surely Stephan will not regret that, he does not need or want our money, let's not disturb him any longer with our presence at the club...

Toscana
06-30-08, 15:53
You should understand that if the security cameras on every club are a much higher risk to your privacy, as they record everything in their vicinityLet's hope the club management never wants to use them "internally". By their interpretation of internally, we could be at risk from the security cameras too. No, no. This is not for me.

Ortos
06-30-08, 16:56
Ohh well, I was really gonna let this whole thing go by, but since we have the owner stating some misinformation here, I feel obligated to respond:

I observed the whole thing from start to finish. I was sitting with the "complainant" eating by one of the outside table and not far away Angelina was dancing. After a while we notice there is a photographer taking picture, and he is turning the camera towards us (not at Angelina).

We walk up to the photographer and my friend asks him
"were you taking our picture?"
"Absolutely" was the response
"Can you please delete them"
"Absolutely not"

The photographer was dressed in a red rope just like any other customer and as such not distinguishable from other guests except that he had the camera

My friend went to the desk to complain, and I witnessed the whole exchange. He was not loud, he was not drunk (he even was the designated driver for the night) but he was indeed upset about having his picture taken by another guest of the club.

The discussion lasted about 30-45 seconds, not 5 minutes, and yes, there was a line of customers waiting at the desk since there were no free lockers which may have added to the manager's stress level.

Stephan, the manager cut my friend of in mid sentence and did indeed say that the photographer was working for the club and the pictures were for his own personal collection. My friend objected since he does not want his picture in a FKK to be anybody's personal collection and explained to Stephan that this activity was "not cool", but did so in a composed allthough a little bit upset manner, but at no time was he loud or obnoxious and at no time did he show any activity that should have had Stephan come to the conclusion that he was drunk.

Stephan, you were the one that was loud, raising you voice close to shouting "this is my club and I do what I like. If you don't like it then you can leave". This you said couple of times cutting off my friend in mid sentence when he was trying to explain why that taking pictures of him in a club was an uppsetting activity.

My friend then accepted that he was not getting anywhere with this so he turned around and walked away. At this you went after him and said "I have changed my mind. You leave the club now".

So, this is exactly how it went down. Stephan may see it differently and look at it as a challange to his authority of the club, but not recognising the issue at hand as being problematic for the guest is a bit strange.

We left the club (since there were few of us sharing a ride) and at no time was any reimbursement offered, and we did not ask for one. To be honest, it looked like you were using the opportunity to clear out some lockers since the whole situation was non-threatening and we were walking away from the issue when you decided to have us leave. This is however our observation and I am not stating it as fact, but all else above are absolute facts on the situation.

Now, there are a few mistakes I believe that were made in handling the issue:

a) The photographer was dressed in a red rope just like any other visitor giving no indication that he was working for the club. He looked like any other guest except with a camera filming the guests. This is a mistake by the club. The guests should be able to identify the photographer and have the opportunity to move away (like most other clubs do).

b) If Stephan felt uncomfortable having this issue discussed in front of other guests, then he should have offered to take the conversation to another place.

c) Shouting at the client in a threatening way is just bad style, there are much better ways available to establish authority over the situation.

d) The guests in question left the club without getting their entry fee paid back. Not a big deal really, but I think when you decide to throw someone out of club for complaining, you should pay back the entry fee.

I have been in this game for 10 years, visited clubs all around Germany, and I was very surprised witnessing the manner which the issue was handled. I can only assume that the Stephan was overstressed or something like that because of the whole party thing and did not act rationally and in a composed manner.



I too have followed this issue with great interest. I find the behaviour of the club manager, Herr Stephan, to be completely out of line and arrogant. He is dead wrong, and seems clearly in denial about it, or at least unable to admit his own mistakes. There is no question about the photography during club operating hours when guest are present, both male and female guests: Photos are dead wrong at anytime.

True Stephan may have been over-stressed and not acting rationally. But several days later he composes a post in which he does not back down, but just digs himself deeper into a hole. He even makes completely outrageous statements, like implying that the complainer was drunk. Did you do an alcohol test, Stephan?
In light of all this --and it's all here for all to read below-- I would support a full-blown BOYCOTT OF VILLA VERTICO by all members here until:

-- An official apology is issued by the management of the club VV.

-- A new policy is published banning all photography in the club (by anybody) during operating hours.

-- Free entry is offered by the managment to the unfortunate guests that were kicked out of the club just for calling into question the club's own mistaken policy.

I would further urge all who support this boycott idea to spread the word and encourage boycotting this club on all other Message Boards and Internet Chat rooms dealing with this hobby in Europe. Let the message spread far and wide, that is what I say!

Ortos

Breadman
06-30-08, 21:22
In light of all this --and it's all here for all to read below-- I would support a full-blown BOYCOTT OF VILLA VERTICO by all members here

Ortos

I'd like to know what's being said on the local boards...the roemerforum and the ijsberenforum. Id also like to point out blurring a face does not always guarantee confidentiality. Someone out there could possibly recognize you by a tattoo, a scar etc that wouldn't be blurred out of the photo. You get recognized, you could be in deep shit with work and/or home.

As to my upcoming trip, had VV penciled in...but with these latest reports will have to go along with this boycott.

Toscana
06-30-08, 21:42
By chance I was just looking on Lustscout, Roemer and Rheinforum. Nothing. It is an issue on Youppie (French forum), where someone copied the ISG reports concerning the photography. Reactions similar to here.

Henio
06-30-08, 21:52
There is some discussion on it on the Ijsberenforum: http://www.ijsberenforum.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=11767

Ortos
06-30-08, 22:11
I'd like to know what's being said on the local boards...the roemerforum and the ijsberenforum. Id also like to point out blurring a face does not always guarantee confidentiality. Someone out there could possibly recognize you by a tattoo, a scar etc that wouldn't be blurred out of the photo. You get recognized, you could be in deep shit with work and/or home.

As to my upcoming trip, had VV penciled in...but with these latest reports will have to go along with this boycott.

Perhaps one of the reasons why this issue should be of greater concern to isg members vs other local board members is: Stephan evicted ISG members, i.e. Auslander-mongers (non-German mongers), and specifically English-speaking mongers because one of them had the cajones to question the practise of open photography (hired by the club!!) during operating hours. Plus, the people who were actually involved and present during the event are members of this very board. Do I need to name names?

This is an outrage to all of us, and the more so because --and let's be realistic here-- there is little chance Stephan would have evicted local German guests or spoken to them in such an arrogant, condescending manner. I was not there, so I cannot be sure, but it sure smacks to me of a ein bischken xenophobia, ne?

And if this jerk Stephan cannot even mustre an apology or even admit the slightest bit of culpability, then he deserves his club to be black-listed by all who still believe in a degree of integrity and respect (auch fuer Auslander!) in this scene. Or am I wrong here?

Ortos

Dedalus
06-30-08, 22:24
By chance I was just looking on Lustscout, Roemer and Rheinforum. Nothing. It is an issue on Youppie (French forum), where someone copied the ISG reports concerning the photography. Reactions similar to here.

I did not check out Lustscout yet, but VV has had very few reports on the Rheinforum or Roemerforum period. It would seem that not so many of those guys are visiting or reporting on the place.

Also I did not notice any adverts for VV on the Rheinforum. I do not know what this means or if it implies anything. Probably not, but it is interesting to note.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Big30
07-01-08, 00:18
There is some discussion on it on the Ijsberenforum: http://www.ijsberenforum.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=11767

Yes there is! And we concluded that although some pictures were taken on the Hustler Party (with no intention, Pictures to be placed on any bulletin as has been expressed 1000 times, also on the party) that Villa Vertigo is a very nice club. I frequent weekly many clubs in NRW (GT, PHG, VV) and in the Frankfurt area.

I know no other club in Germany where the manager is always asking his guests if everything is OK and whether there are still points for improvement. Stephan is a man with a mission he wants to make of VV the best club in NRW.

The club opened begin Januari and now I am very satisfied with VV. After just about 6 months! Not a bad job.

I was on the Hustler party and know that the photographer said, these pictures are only taken for a private album if that is OK for you then stay if you do not want that then please stay out of my picture.

That was all. No pictures, ofcourse as has been promissed were published on what website what so ever!!

I am ashamed of the insinuating reports I have read in this topic the last few weeks.

The only forum that allowed that pictures taken from "some private person" were published actually was ISG.

I refer to this report on ISG,
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=755175&postcount=48

Let us face the truth. The only forum that published private pictures about VV without permission was ISG. I recognize on the ISG pictures somes faces that I know very well. For me it is a shame these pictures were published here!!!

VV is not heaven on earth, nevertheless I come there almost weekly that means I like it there!

To tell the thruth some reactions in this topic are indeed wrong, yes very wrong ... .

Regards,
Big30

Henio
07-01-08, 01:25
Yes there is! And we concluded that although some pictures were taken on the Hustler Party (with no intention, Pictures to be placed on any bulletin as has been expressed 1000 times, also on the party) that Villa Vertigo is a very nice club. I frequent weekly many clubs in NRW (GT, PHG, VV) and in the Frankfurt area.
I think noone has said here that the club is not nice. It is the actions of management that are being critizised



I know no other club in Germany where the manager is always asking his guests if everything is OK and whether there are still points for improvement. Stephan is a man with a mission he wants to make of VV the best club in NRW.
There are many witnesses to the encounter between Stephan and Fusco, yours truly included, and at that time he sure was not asking us for any ideas for improvement



The club opened begin Januari and now I am very satisfied with VV. After just about 6 months! Not a bad job.
I agree. That is why the whole thing is a shame. We really wanted to like this club and were having a very good time up until this incident. We even talked about putting the club onto our permanent itenary (which is quite often).




I was on the Hustler party and know that the photographer said, these pictures are only taken for a private album if that is OK for you then stay if you do not want that then please stay out of my picture.
The photographer said nothing at all to us before he started shooting the pictures. We were sitting on a sofa behind a table eating and all of a sudden we realized he was shooting at us. We covered our faced but he kept going. That is when we stood up and approached him and he admitted he was taking our picture and did not want to delete them



That was all. No pictures, ofcourse as has been promissed were published on what website what so ever!!
No, that is NOT all. We complained and were thrown out of the club. THATS ALL. Do you think that is justifiable?



I am ashamed of the insinuating reports I have read in this topic the last few weeks.
And I am astonished that you do not recognise the need for guys to be able to count on their privacy and their right not to have a guy dressed as any other guest take their pictures



The only forum that allowed that pictures taken from "some private person" were published actually was ISG.

I refer to this report on ISG,
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=755175&postcount=48

No, the pictures could be posted on lots of different forums, but I agree, this should not happen either and is just to show how dangerous it is to allow ANYONE take pictures in a club. Every guest should respect the privacy of other guest and not take pictures of them in the club



Let us face the truth. The only forum that published private pictures about VV without permission was ISG. I recognize on the ISG pictures somes faces that I know very well. For me it is a shame these pictures were published here!!!
Agree, they should not be posted here or in any other place




VV is not heaven on earth, nevertheless I come there almost weekly that means I like it there!

To tell the thruth some reactions in this topic are indeed wrong, yes very wrong ... .


Using your words "Let's face the truth":
Truth 1: There was a photographer taking pictures in the club
Truth 2: The photographer was dressed as any other guest
Truth 3: The photographer admitted he had taken a guests picture
Truth 4: The guest complained to the manager
Truth 5: The manager threw the guest out of the club

Big30: Do you honestly think this issue was handled correctly?

As I have repeatedly stated, it is a very nice club with great facilities and so and so lineup. I believe I have been very subtle in my critisism of the events. I did not bring the details up until Stephan was not truthful of the event on this board. I do not believe I have been unfair in telling it as it happened.

You must understand there are two issues at hand here that are being critizised:

Issue a) How should photography be conducted at a club
Issue b) How should guest complaints be handled at the club

In our case, they failed on both accounts, but if I understand you correctly Big30, you are saying that they were successful on both accounts or am I reading your defence of VV actions wrongly?

Ekliges Lauern
07-01-08, 02:33
and if this jerk stephan cannot even mustre an apology or even admit the slightest bit of culpability, then he deserves his club to be black-listed by all who still believe in a degree of integrity and respect (auch fuer auslander!) in this scene. or am i wrong here?

ortos,

sorry i won't be joining the boycott.

since this is turning into a "respekt vor auslander!" issue, should we also not boycott gt for turning away my friend and i just because my friend is not white?

actually, both he and i let it go. and we had a friendly chat with the owner on a later date when we were admitted.

i don't remember reading anyone complaining about the mobile phone pictures posted in this forum which show other mongers (presumably without their consent). big30 is right on this issue.

while i don't like that a photographer was present during club hours there are conflicting reports as to what transpired. as i don't know what really transpired, i will not be joining any boycott of vv. frankly, there is way too much ego in this dispute and demands for public apologies. this could probably have been settled by a polite private conversation after the fact (next day) or via pm if stephen signed up for a membership. at this point, it turned into a pissing contest, and i decline to take sides.

the issue of photography at the club does bother me, whether it is by club staff or isg members.

i think vv still has ways to go in terms of the line up and vibe. but i am rooting for vv to improve. i'll probably pop my head in once every few months to check up on the progress. the facilities are great and they do not seem to exclude guests based on their race. complaints about the shower, wc layout are just plain silly. do you really care if your silloette is visable behind the opaque door when drying off?

as for photography, i plan to keep my eyes peeled for cameras (both professional and mobile phone) and stay out of their field of view.

cheers,
radler

GandJim
07-01-08, 05:20
should we also not boycott GT for turning away my friend and I just because my friend is not white?
Hummmmm...... off-topic but how did Radler knew the reason they were turned away is just because they are not white? The club told them so? Unlikely. Sounds like bullshit to me. How do they explain they were admitted at a later date then? Changed their skin colour?

For the record, I'm also non-white, and I have also been refused entry to a club more than once (or even have services refused by a girl). But I never put that on my skin colour without proof. There are tens of reasons to deny entry of a club to somebody on a particular day, some personal, but some not.

So I think that if somebody wants to make some accusation about racism, he should also bring some credible proof first.

To be honest, I'm tired on my fellow non-white mongerers (in general, not talking about Radler here) who, at the first incident, blame it or their skin colour. Sounds like it takes a lot of time for them to overcome their complex.

Jim

Ortos
07-01-08, 06:38
Ortos,

Sorry I won't be joining the boycott.

Since this is turning into a "Respekt vor Auslander!" issue, should we also not boycott GT for turning away my friend and I just because my friend is not white?

Actually, both he and I let it go. And we had a friendly chat with the owner on a later date when we were admitted...


Cheers,
Radler

Radler,

One must respect your position not to be personally offended by what happened at VV that day, but my call for a boycott is related to the actions of the management in arrogantly evicting some guests who simply complained about having their picture taken, and this is something you do not address in your comments. I find it outrageous. I am not saying the club is distinctly anti-Foreigner, but I am wondering if the manager Stephan would indeed have spoken to German guests in that manner or kicked them out simply for questioning what was going on. Don't you wonder about that too? And I am not sure your situation at GT is at all analogous...


And I also find it outrageous that a week or two after the event, he should publish remarks here that show absolutely no remorse for having photography going on, something that bothers some of his "dear guests," and no sympathy for the men who were evicted and lost their entry fees.

Iseeu
07-01-08, 08:24
The only forum that allowed that pictures taken from "some private person" were published actually was ISG.

I refer to this report on ISG,
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=755175&postcount=48

Let us face the truth. The only forum that published private pictures about VV without permission was ISG. I recognize on the ISG pictures somes faces that I know very well. For me it is a shame these pictures were published here!!!

I posted the pictures to illustrate a key incident in my report. I cropped the pictures to cut out the other customers and blurred the faces of the 2 mongers still visible in 2 of the pictures. I question whether it is still possible to recognize those 2 faces.
I accept the points made in this discussion that pictures should not be taken or posted without consent from the people involved. I have asked Jackson to either remove all the pictures in my post or else allow me to further edit them. I take full resposibility for this and apologize to any one who may have been offended by this action.
Still, all of this is besides the point. ISG is a public forum, dependent on contributions from people like ourselves who visit these clubs as pay
ing customers. It is certainly not Jackson's or the ISG's policy to take pictures of their customers. It is VV's policy, and we can assume that those pictures were taken with the intent of publishing them on the VV's own website/blog.

Ekliges Lauern
07-01-08, 10:50
Hummmmm...... off-topic but how did Radler knew the reason they were turned away is just because they are not white? The club told them so? Unlikely. Sounds like bullshit to me. How do they explain they were admitted at a later date then? Changed their skin colour?

For the record, I'm also non-white, and I have also been refused entry to a club more than once (or even have services refused by a girl). But I never put that on my skin colour without proof. There are tens of reasons to deny entry of a club to somebody on a particular day, some personal, but some not.

So I think that if somebody wants to make some accusation about racism, he should also bring some credible proof first.

To be honest, I'm tired on my fellow non-white mongerers (in general, not talking about Radler here) who, at the first incident, blame it or their skin colour. Sounds like it takes a lot of time for them to overcome their complex.


GandJim,

First of all, I am white and pass easily for German until I open my mouth. It is my friend who is not white. I have never been refused entry to a club. My friend has been denied entry once before when he arrived alone. We went together because I thought there was zero chance he would be denied entry arriving with me. I was wrong. As far as your "tens of reason", I came up with the following:

1) club really was full (nope, LBC and others checked and many lockers were empty)
2) friend was loud or boisterous (nope, I did all the talking, in German)
3) friend was ill groomed or dirty (nope)
4) friend had previously visited and caused an issue (nope, never was admitted)

I'm having difficulty coming up with the other "tens of reasons". Perhaps you would care to enlighten us.

To answer your question why he was later admitted, two reasons. First, it was a different receptionist. Second, we had LBC with us, who is quite recognizable and has attended many times recently.

So, no offense GandJim, you weren't there.

My point was not to call for a boycott of GT, as I noted that we had certainly gotten over it and indeed had a very polite conversation with the owner. I was using it to illustrate that the great VV controversy had gotten out of hand.

Cheers,
Radler

Ekliges Lauern
07-01-08, 11:09
One must respect your position not to be personally offended by what happened at VV that day, but my call for a boycott is related to the actions of the management in arrogantly evicting some guests who simply complained about having their picture taken, and this is something you do not address in your comments. I find it outrageous. I am not saying the club is distinctly anti-Foreigner, but I am wondering if the manager Stephan would indeed have spoken to German guests in that manner or kicked them out simply for questioning what was going on. Don't you wonder about that too? And I am not sure your situation at GT is at all analogous...

I'm not that offended because I don't know what truly transpired. I feel confident that there was a camera involved and a discussion with Stephen resulting in an eviction. Tone and context matter in these issues. While I think it is good that the incident was posted so we can all decide what weight to give the incident, it is the desire to publicly punish the owner than makes me question what actually transpired. I suspect the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

As for my GT issue, I used it as an illustration some times it is best just to let things go. Also, I wanted to make you question the whole boycott issue with the GT example because I don't expect anyone not to go to GT based on this incident. Hilter could be running the club and we would all happily go and pay the eintritt. It's that good.

You are right, my incident was not directly comparable as we were not out our Eintritt. It was also, however, a result of a bad decision or policy by management.


And I also find it outrageous that a week or two after the event, he should publish remarks here that show absolutely no remorse for having photography going on, something that bothers some of his "dear guests," and no sympathy for the men who were evicted and lost their entry fees.

He bothered to post in the forum and it may have truly been his point of view. The fact that he posted indicated he was bothered by the incident. Perhaps the matter could have been resolved had the conversation gone private from there. And the photography issue has been discussed ad nausium. My position is clear on that in other posts.

Cheers,
Radler

Dedalus
07-01-08, 12:19
Hey Gents,

I would like to think that the VV management's treatment of my friends has nothing to do with them being foreigners. Truth is, I have rarely seen this happen in all of my years of clubbing in Germany.

I DO however wonder about why Mr. Stephan decided to evict my friends. I cannot help but suspect that he saw an opportunity to free up a few lockers and to cash in on a few more entrance fees. If this is so, then I am truly appalled. My friends are not trouble makers and they have been good, respected and welcome guests at clubs throughout Germany with never a complaint or problem. Also I have NEVER seen either one of them the least bit looped. Where I come from questioning a man's word can have serious consequences so I do so with serious reservations, but I cannot help but do so in this case. Mr. Stephan's words regarding Fusco being drunk simply strike me as a falsehood made in an effort to cover his inexcusable behavior and business practices.

As I have stated earlier, some people in this land (Germany) can be rather "bockig" and come Hell or high water will never admit to a mistake. The way my friends described Mr. Stephan's attitude and reactions, I could have bet the entire farm that he would not and probably never will understand or accept that his actions were incorrect. Some of these cats over here a have rather hard heads.

Whether one agrees or disagrees with the door policy at GT, the two situations are very different. The VV managemnet accepted my friend's money and welcomed them into their club where they were very poorly treated, and quite possibly swindled out of their entrance fees.

Big30, By all means continue to visit VV and do so with my best wishes. What has transpired at the place clearly does not bother the likes of you and I certainly accept that. I do think that your assessment of the events and how they were presented here by a number of ISGers is flawed, but that is of course your right.

Along with Henio, I do not and have not called for a boycott of the place, but the events that have transpired have made my decision as to pay the place a visit on any of my numerous trips to the NRW area and dutch boarder clear. None of the other clubs in that area 1) take my picture without permission, 2) Yell at me if I have a comment or complaint.

I think back to a problem that I had at Living Room earlier this year. I politely pointed out the problem and it was dealt with respectfully, in my favor and I was given both a smile, free entry and a "best wishes and hope to see you again soon" from the managemnet. Would that Mr. Stephan could have extend the same courtesy to my friends, who no doubt would have become VERY good customers!

Cheers,

Dedalus

Henio
07-01-08, 19:52
For the record:

Neither Fusco nor I think it has anything to do with us being foreigners. We actually could pass for a German any day except that my accent and lack of vocabulary would probably give us away. The club is frequented by Dutch and French visitors, even more so than Germans (like many other of the NRW Golden Triangle clubs). Only Stephan knows the real reason why he acted in the way he did. I have not heard any bad stories other than ours of his general behaviour so I must assume we cought him at a very bad moment of his life or something.

We are pretty laid back, easy going and non-confrontial guys, we do not need our money back, I get no pleasure out of any kind of boycott, and I could not care less if the manager apologises or not, what is done is done and my picture is resting on Stephans hard drive and on the photographers as well. The only thing I can do is hope that they take good care of their equipment.

My only agenda is to give information on what really happened since the owner gave some misinformation to this board on the events, and I think the discussion following (with Cynical stating that there are regular photoshoots) is of great importance to this community and I am glad that he replied.

Btw: before leaving the club, I did have a great session with Oksana from Latvia and a decent one with Tania from Germany (she was a bit reserved). I believe Oksana is a regular at YY and was only there for the party. Don't know about Tatiana.

Cynical
07-02-08, 00:41
Being non german myself and having taken arabs, russians and Negroes with me to the Villa - both before and after becoming the "resident blog photographer" - I can't believe that race or nationality had anything to do with any guests getting evicted from VV.

From what I heard the eviction was because of the loud discussion. And you can be pretty sure that any guest discussing loudly would get evicted from Artemis, Oase World or any other club.

Let's get this over with, the discussion is turning a bit stale.

Cynical
07-02-08, 00:47
Regarding photography, which I see here as a sensitive subject - also to myself - I will take all input I saw here to management to come up with standards that will make everyone comfortable.

Expect to hear from me or Stephan soon.

Akibono
07-02-08, 02:23
Although I was not present during the photo incident, I have no doubt who's story to believe. I know the persons involved, and their character is unimpeachable. Plus, none of the undisputed facts justify the behavior of management. Privacy is something that I will never comprise. Respect is the second thing. This is one club I will not visit in the future.

Ekliges Lauern
07-02-08, 11:08
Regarding photography, which I see here as a sensitive subject - also to myself - I will take all input I saw here to management to come up with standards that will make everyone comfortable.

Expect to hear from me or Stephan soon.

Cynical,

I suggest you or Stephan spring for a membership so that you or Stephan can discuss the incident privately with the agreived parties.

I think it might be easier to resolve this matter if it is not discussed in a public forum with everyone who was not involved weighing in on every word said.

Cheers,
Radler

Toscana
07-02-08, 13:30
Cynical,

I suggest you or Stephan spring for a membership so that you or Stephan can discuss the incident privately with the agreived parties.

I think it might be easier to resolve this matter if it is not discussed in a public forum with everyone who was not involved weighing in on every word said.

Cheers,
RadlerI was not an "agreived party", but I am certainly an interested one. It's about whether I can consider going to this club or not in future.

Chicafan
07-02-08, 18:34
Sorry to weigh in but I don't see what management did that was blatantly wrong, although it was an unfortunate series of events. They were just trying to get pics showing men present, having a good time. I can understand that. Yes, they should have had a notification upon entry so it wouldn't be creepy, and better, the photographer should have asked before he took pictures assuring everyone he was going to blur faces of the ones he keeps then destroy the rest. It wasn't handled well, but in and of itself not to sinister. On one level though, it is a little revealing that we love to see pics of the girls posted but find the thought of our pics being taken so offensive. I'm just making an observation, not a judgment. Undoubtedly, I would not want to see an identifiable picture of myself at a club show up on the internet.

As far as asking people to leave, it sounds rude but I doubt it was to make room for new customers because I doubt it was that full. Maybe the owner made a bad decision, maybe the guests were a little too drunk, who knows. I doubt it is the intention or habit of the club to be mean and unfair. Perhaps the owner was having a bad day, it happens. I don't like the idea of putting customers you think are drunk in a car to drive though. They would have to be pretty belligerent for me to do that. I'm sure in retrospect it should have been handled more thoughtfully.

If Stephen is listening perhaps the best way to reconcile this is to offer all of us who have commented on the subject and want to return a free entrance? :)

Henio
07-02-08, 18:50
Sorry to weigh in but I don't see what management did that was blatantly wrong, although it was an unfortunate series of events.
Trust me, you sure would see it if it had happened to you



As far as asking people to leave, it sounds rude but I doubt it was to make room for new customers because I doubt it was that full.
The club was full, even Stephan would admit to that. There were no lockers available and they were asking guests to share lockers. As to Stephans thinking process about throwing us out, it is all speculation and Stephan is the only one who really knows.



Maybe the owner made a bad decision, maybe the guests were a little too drunk, who knows.
I know. I do not drink in clubs more than an occasional one beer. You may (or may not) know that as well since we have actually met a couple of times at GT, but you probably do not recognise my nick here :-). Here is a hint "you trying to have session with Chanel, me trying to translate for you without much success" :-)))

Chicafan
07-02-08, 19:20
Trust me, you sure would see it if it had happened to you

The club was full, even Stephan would admit to that. There were no lockers available and they were asking guests to share lockers. As to Stephans thinking process about throwing us out, it is all speculation and Stephan is the only one who really knows.


Well then, if you are who I think you are it is hard to imagine you were belligerent enough to be asked to leave, and if the place was full....

Basketcase
07-02-08, 22:50
Guten Tag Herr Cynical,


Regarding photography, which I see here as a sensitive subject - also to myself - I will take all input I saw here to management to come up with standards that will make everyone comfortable.

Expect to hear from me or Stephan soon.

Thanks Cynical. I think some here would appreciate the normalisation of a photography policy at VV. We look forward to the reply.

I too wish to see VV succeed as I do like the facilities and the location is not too bad. Grefrath is a cute town and I have wandered its streets waiting for the VV club to open.

The gardens are extensive and I do like the pool with the decking all around. I can see me lazing away on a lounger for many visits to come in the future seeing the cat walk of lovelies passing by causing a stir under my red robe.

The rooms are really nicely decorated and feel very clean.

I can live with the small locker room, the modest toliet sizes and people being able to see me towelling off as I bend over exposing my hairy arse through the opaque door that leads out into the bar area.

I do wish the porn selection improves as the current showings has not been the sort where I would happily get my todger out and have a nice quiet wank to help me rest in between sessions while sitting in the kino. Can you also suggest this to Stephan? At least take the lesbian movies off the DVD player.

Also I must thank you again for translating for me when I last saw you. My Deutsch is improving slowly.

Cheers,

Londonbasketase

Cynical
07-02-08, 23:10
Guten tag all,

I will be at the Villa enjoying myself - and not making photos in public areas :-) - next week tuesday and wednesday.

Any of you are invited to come, I'm looking forward to meeting you guys.

I was there last week and have to say the line-up has dramatically improved - see the blog, I had four of the best sessions I ever had in a club. This is indeed the only photography gig I have every month where I end up spending more money than I earn :-)

Cheers,

Cynical


Guten Tag Herr Cynical,



Thanks Cynical. I think some here would appreciate the normalisation of a photography policy at VV. We look forward to the reply.

I too wish to see VV succeed as I do like the facilities and the location is not too bad. Grefrath is a cute town and I have wandered its streets waiting for the VV club to open.

The gardens are extensive and I do like the pool with the decking all around. I can see me lazing away on a lounger for many visits to come in the future seeing the cat walk of lovelies passing by causing a stir under my red robe.

The rooms are really nicely decorated and feel very clean.

I can live with the small locker room, the modest toliet sizes and people being able to see me towelling off as I bend over exposing my hairy arse through the opaque door that leads out into the bar area.

I do wish the porn selection improves as the current showings has not been the sort where I would happily get my todger out and have a nice quiet wank to help me rest in between sessions while sitting in the kino. Can you also suggest this to Stephan? At least take the lesbian movies off the DVD player.

Also I must thank you again for translating for me when I last saw you. My Deutsch is improving slowly.

Cheers,

Londonbasketase

Ekliges Lauern
07-03-08, 02:00
I was not an "agreived party", but I am certainly an interested one. It's about whether I can consider going to this club or not in future.

I suspect by the comment that you've already made up your mind on that point.

I suggested it in the interest of giving Stephan an opportunity to make the situation right with Henio and Fusco. That is more likely to happen in a private conversation. If it were to occur, I'm sure Henio and/or Fusco would report back to the forum.

It's a question on whether you are interested in seeing the situation resolved to Henio and Fusco's satisfaction or whether you want the controversy to drag on.

Cheers,
Radler

Toscana
07-03-08, 08:00
I suggested it in the interest of giving Stephan an opportunity to make the situation right with Henio and Fusco. That is more likely to happen in a private conversation. If it were to occur, I'm sure Henio and/or Fusco would report back to the forum.Fair point. It might make it easier for him to change things and still save face.

On the basis of what I have heard, and from whom, yes, I have made my decision. That's my right. But as I stated already (#93), I am happy to reconsider on hearing that the photography policy has been revised satisfactorily. My stance on this issue applies to any club anywhere of course.

Uhclem
07-03-08, 15:52
I visited VV for the first time today. I got there around 11:30 this morning. There were about 20-25 girls present during the time I was there. A couple were very pretty. Most were average or better. I ended up with Lorena from Romania. She's 19, about 5'6", very light skin, and brunette. Lorena said she's a student and has been at VV for one week. I doubt she will be there long. She doesn't seem the type to stay long at an FKK club. She speaks very good English, fun personality, and smiled and laughed a lot. I spent an hour with her and it was like spending an hour with an old college girlfriend. The hour consisted of 2 shots with one of them CIM. At the end of the hour, she seemed almost embarrassed when she asked me for the €100. She explained the normal price was €75 for the hour but the CIM was an extra €25. It was refreshing to see an attitude like hers after my experience at Golden Time. While I was paying her, I saw another girl take a twenty to the front desk to get change for her customer (another refreshing site after my Golden Time experience). I don't know the name of the girl who was getting the change but I'm sure the regulars will know her. She's tall, red hair, incredible eyes, beautiful smile, and I remember seeing her at PHG about a year ago.

Basketcase
07-04-08, 00:26
I visited VV for the first time today.

It was refreshing to see an attitude like hers after my experience at Golden Time. While I was paying her, I saw another girl take a twenty to the front desk to get change for her customer (another refreshing site after my Golden Time experience).

Thanks for the VV report. Sounds encouraging.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Basketcase
07-04-08, 00:41
Guten Tag Herr Cynical,


I will be at the Villa enjoying myself - and not making photos in public areas :-) - next week tuesday and wednesday.

Any of you are invited to come, I'm looking forward to meeting you guys.

Have a good time at VV Cynical. Sadly I cannot be there those days but I will visit VV again in the very near future.


I was there last week and have to say the line-up has dramatically improved - see the blog, I had four of the best sessions I ever had in a club. This is indeed the only photography gig I have every month where I end up spending more money than I earn :-)

If the pictures of the new girls in the blog are anything to go by then yes the calibre of girls has improved dramatically. I only recognise Adriana from Poland on the first page who did my Eier in during a BBBJ and HJ in the kino (watching thankfully hetereosexual porn).

I particularly like the blonde hair dresser lady called Saskia. I may just go see her in the V V salon and have her cut my hair so that she can jiggle her tits as she leans over me to reach for my hair. I like her looks and is my type of girl.

Nora looks pretty good too in the Julia and Nora Lesbian spread.

Noelle looks worth a try and Madlene has obscenely massive tits that I would pay €50 to fondle them to make sure they were real.

Nicki looks good but a bit flat chested.

Cheers,

Londonbasketcase

Big30
07-04-08, 01:05
I visited VV for the first time today.

I don't know the name of the girl who was getting the change but I'm sure the regulars will know her. She's tall, red hair, incredible eyes, beautiful smile, and I remember seeing her at PHG about a year ago.

The name of the Russian girl is Tatjana/Tanja. Indeed she also used to work at PHG and I also knew her from nanu34.

I visited the Villa Tuesday and it was not for the first time :-). Then about 40 girls in the evening. Was an excellent evening in the Villa!

Ambiente of VV has already been described here as well as all the preconceptions about the Villa. So better I skip that!

@Uhclem, I have met a lot of "students" from Romania in a lot of clubs in NRW and Hessen and I believe them all! Some of them spoke really excellent English, German, Spanish and Italian but that was not because of an University education. You will be very surprised if you learn more about Romanian Universities and their Masterclasses for PhD students.

Regards,
Big30

Uhclem
07-04-08, 07:20
@Uhclem, I have met a lot of "students" from Romania in a lot of clubs in NRW and Hessen and I believe them all!

You know I feel good about the fact that I'm helping Romanian girls pay for their college education. I'll have to speak with my accountant and see if I can get a tax deduction for these trips.

Toscana
07-04-08, 09:55
Thanks for the report. What, no photos? LOL.

Dedalus
07-05-08, 09:39
Thanks for the report. What, no photos? LOL.

Hey Tosc,

I actually DID get a belly laugh from that. Cat probably did get some photos, but they were in all likely cribbed and put in the owner's hard drive right before the dude was yelled at and kicked out.


Cheers,

Dedalus

Cynical
07-09-08, 20:12
Dear Mongers,

As promised here is the new photography policy for Villa Vertigo:

No photography in public areas in opening hours, either by customers or staff.

Ofcourse we will keep bringing you great photos on the blog, but these will be made off-hours or in rooms.

Best Mongering,

Cynical

Excess
07-10-08, 15:52
Thanks Cynical, the way it should be. Worthy enough to me to consider putting VV back on my personal visit list, FWIW. "The wallet is mightier than the sword". 'Nuff said.

Excess



Dear Mongers,

As promised here is the new photography policy for Villa Vertigo:

No photography in public areas in opening hours, either by customers or staff.

Ofcourse we will keep bringing you great photos on the blog, but these will be made off-hours or in rooms.

Best Mongering,

Cynical

Woofiee
07-10-08, 16:23
The name of the Russian girl is Tatjana/Tanja. Indeed she also used to work at PHG and I also knew her from nanu34.I've been looking for her! Thanks for the intel. I know what I'm doing this weekend!

Fkk Lover
07-10-08, 17:08
...with no mea culpa from Stephan?

If the owner is not big enough to admit to the eggregious lapse in customer service and offer to rectify the situation with the aggrieved party, he's still not getting my euros.

Henio
07-10-08, 17:19
...with no mea culpa from Stephan?

If the owner is not big enough to admit to the eggregious lapse in customer service and offer to rectify the situation with the aggrieved party, he's still not getting my euros. There is a line of communication going on behind the scene

GandJim
07-10-08, 17:41
There is a line of communication going on behind the scene
Thanks Henio. The change of policy and the fact that there is some communication behind the scene is good enough for me. No needs for public apologies as far as I am concerned.

Jim

Ortos
07-10-08, 18:53
Thanks Henio. The change of policy and the fact that there is some communication behind the scene is good enough for me. No needs for public apologies as far as I am concerned.

Jim

Not good enough for me. I know Henio and the other guy. They are kind of friends, or if not, at least I could imagine myself in their place. I absolutely believe their version of the events, namely that they simply brought their complaint to the management and were arrogantly evicted simply for complaining about a lousy photographic policy.

Now Stefan, the face of the management, reverses the policy. To me, that says he now considers the policy of public photography of the guests during operating hours without their express permission is wrong. But I never once heard him (or anyone else from the management) offer any kind of apology to the horrible way he treated his paid guests when they initially suggested this policy was wrong. Instead they were kicked out, then accused of being drunk and unruley (contrary to the truth as expressed by the participants themseleves and other witnesses).

For me (and I imagine I am not alone) to consider going to this club, I would really hope he could have the balls to admit his mistake publically. After all, many of us were very personally offended by his actions and rude behaviour towards other isg brothers, so I at least feel like sticking up for them. One "I am sorry, I made a mistake" goes a long, long way. But so far, getting that from VV management is like getting eggs from a cow...

Come on Stefan, climb down from your mountain and say the T-word: "Tut mir leid..."

Ortos

Dedalus
07-10-08, 19:32
Thanks Henio. The change of policy and the fact that there is some communication behind the scene is good enough for me. No needs for public apologies as far as I am concerned.

Jim


Power to the poster!

Certainly can't argue with the process that is going on. Sounds to me like a step (maybe several) in the right direction.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Chicafan
07-10-08, 19:54
Come on Stefan, climb down from your mountain and say the T-word: "Tut mir leid..."

Ortos
I am a big believer in customer service and never alienating people. I imagine Henio and Co left that club with a "WTH just happened" feeling and to this day don't understand what they did wrong. We all have a pretty good feeling they were mistreated, and that at the very least it was a misunderstanding and some reconciliation is in order. It sounds like VV is going to handle it via PMs and that seems reasonable.

Breadman
07-10-08, 21:38
It sounds like VV is going to handle it via PMs and that seems reasonable.

Where exactly does it say this? I read something by Cynical about a new policy regarding photo's...but nothing saying the guys evicted will be contacted via PM.



I observed the whole thing from start to finish.


No matter what everyone says, Henio was there and witnessed the entire thing. Posters can come on and rave about the club, their new policy's and the like...but until I read from Henio that he was contacted by the owner and things got worked out i'll always have that nagging feeling in the back of my head.

Henio
07-10-08, 22:09
Guys,

I have indeed been contacted and things are being made right. I don't want to go into details since it is currently a private conversation and not for me to disclose it as such, but I will as soon as all parties agree.

Woofiee
07-10-08, 22:55
Well it's good to hear that there are discussions happening. I frankly don't think the owner needs to make a public apology since it really applied to the parties involved. It's enough they've changed the policy and started a discussion behind the scene.- this is where it belongs, just between the parties.

I'm looking forward to seeing the place myself soon. Thank goodness the cloud is lifting.

Now about this weather. Grrr.

Ekliges Lauern
07-11-08, 01:41
Guys,

I have indeed been contacted and things are being made right. I don't want to go into details since it is currently a private conversation and not for me to disclose it as such, but I will as soon as all parties agree.

Glad to hear it.

Once you feel things have been made right, that pretty much closes the book on it for me.

I don't need to see a public apology or statement, people make mistakes. I say we move on.

That said, I am rooting for this club as I like the facilities and they don't exclude based on race. However, the lineup still has a ways to go.

Ortos
07-11-08, 09:48
Guys,

I have indeed been contacted and things are being made right. I don't want to go into details since it is currently a private conversation and not for me to disclose it as such, but I will as soon as all parties agree.

I admit that I must be representing the vast minority here in calling for a public apology by this guy Stephan, because in reading what happened --and I accept entirely what the isg forum members say and reject Stephan's version of the events-- I felt that his offence towards other isg members visiting his club was an offence towards me and all others here. It could easily have been you or me in those sandals...

However, the when you read Henio's statement above, one should take pride in trying to help some isg brethren get free entrance, VIP treatment and perhaps a couple of gratis sessions from VV for the offended parties...Anything we can do to help, Henio, that's what friends are for...

Ekliges Lauern
07-11-08, 11:12
Posters can come on and rave about the club, their new policy's and the like

I can't say I can recall anyone raving about this club. The facilities are nice, but that's not why we go to the clubs.

I think the consensus so far is the lineup has a ways to go.

Basketcase
07-15-08, 20:31
I can't say I can recall anyone raving about this club. The facilities are nice, but that's not why we go to the clubs.

I think the consensus so far is the lineup has a ways to go.

Hallo Radler,

I had a delightful afternoon at Villa Vertigo of late starting at 11:30 and went with two girls only. I refrained from going for a third as I was worried about the state of my eiers as I had been at it for the last 4 days. My eiers just did not look right after my second pop with a local Deutsch girl of Nord Rhein Westfalen.

By 17:30 my eiers were back to normal again. I had a few drinks and then went for a lovely meal of wurst, noodles, various cooked vegetables and crumbed poulet pieces with a fruity vanilla mousse for sweet.

I then left at 18:45 to leave to catch my American built silver bird (Boeing) back to the land of Schweiner Englanders (a group of British soldiers and I were being called that by Deutsch at a party I was at on Sunday).

At the party was so funny that the party management said in the middle of the night that if you were British or Russian there was to be no more beer served. Our catch cry for the night was "Beer, Beer, we want more Beer!!" I do not know what the Russians were saying but one looked like Chuck Norris right down to the beard. The pretty Red headed receptionist christened him Chuck Norris.

I liked the Receptionist at this Party so much. She was easily the most prettiest girl at the Party.

At Villa Vertigo I sat in the hot sun by the cool pool feeling like I was at the Playboy mansion with a multitude of lovelies in bikinis or lingerie or even Summer dresses wandering around for my viewing pleasure.

Choas,

Londonbasketcase

Basketcase
07-17-08, 22:20
My crew left me leaving me to my own devices in the wilderness of Nord Rhein Westfalen. We had been to Golden Time the previous Tag.

I decided to check out the action at Villa Vertigo. One of my crew just has a thing for the vibe at Villa Vertigo and so because of that there is a place in my visit schedule for this sauna club. I attended from 11:30 to 18:45 as I had to leave to catch my American built silver bird (Boeing 737) back to the land of Schweiner Englanders. Hey I am an Auslander, ja?

I went with two girls only this visit as I was worried about the state of my eier after already 5 days of vigorous usage in the saunaclubs of West Deutschland.

First up is Yvon of Poland. She wore the light little blue dress that barely covered her arse and had blue eyes, long very blond hair (no dark streaks). Decent legs and very friendly and service orientated. She is also tall, blue eyes, pale skinned, B cup silicon breasts, leggy, getting a bit MILFY. I needed a bit of a change from the teenies at Golden Time that I had to chase around the room.

Yvon is formerly of Yin Yang and is Polish in birth but has lived in the Nederlands for 20 years. As such she speaks, Nederlands, Deutsch, Polish and English.

She did a very pleasing teasing session with me and she did most of the work which is unusual for me as I like to do the work. I prefer to be on top in missionary or in doggie. None of this cowgirl stuff.

Anyway did the usual stuff, nothing too kinky.

I recommend Yvon.

Then it was back to general circulation.

I met a ijsberen who was 70 years old and lived in Moenchangladbach. I had seen him in the NRW clubs on many of my visits but had never actually spoken to him. He actually came over to introduce himself to me first and asked me to join him. We spoke in a mixture of Deutsch and Engels.

He was retired now and enjoyed having sex with girls. His wife let him get on with it as she was not up for it no more. I admired the bloke as I would like to think when I am 70 and sometimes you forget that it is not that far away that I still would be banging 20 year old girls still. An inspiration.

We left each other and I expect I shall see the ijsberen again since I do see him most visits that I make to NRW.

It still cracks me up that Villa Vertigo has Red Bears/beren (instead of the usual white Polar Bears/beren).

Food was good - I stayed for lunch, afternoon tea and Dinner. I missed the BBQ which comes on at about 20:00 if I recall correctly.

The receptionist was cute just wearing a rugby jersey and tiny shorts over her well tanned and slim body. She used to work behind the bar and now does the door. Another tall, slim blonde Deutsch girl has commandeered bar duties.

I did not see the manager wandering around this day like I used to see.


Next girl I saw was Dodo. She has been working at VV since January 2008 when it first opened and has not worked anywhere else but here. She is a local NRW girl.

I got her to spell her name to me as I was unsure how a girl came up with Dodo for a name. I thought it was Dido as in the Carthaginian Queen from the Trojan legends but she said it was Dodo like the extinct bird.

She said to me she had 20 years.

Very pretty girl. I liked looking into her big brown eyes, pert nose and sweet looking lips.

I'm a bit unsure of the golden hair on top of the brown hair underlay of her below the shoulder lenght hair.

Standard session. Nothing too out of the ordinary for me.

One has suggested to me that "I might have had high expectations which couldn't be fullfilled by her or she really isn't that extraordinary".

In my view Dodo was an ordinary session. What made it memorable for me was Dodo's good looks. Shoulder lenght long dark blonde hair, big brown eyes, a sharp pert nose and pink lips (not big Blow Job lips). Good visuals that helped get me over the edge.

I enjoyed looking at her face as we lay together. In the end nothing memorable except she was pretty.

ON another note something that struck me is that at VV I find that there is less upsell and offers of extras than say GT. In facr many girls that I have been with at VV do not even offer extras and just do standard services. This can be a bain for an extras guy like me. It maybe just my selection but because of that less presure environment I tend to spend less at VV than at GT and in a way that is a good thing.

Cheers,

Londonbasketcase

Love Palace
07-19-08, 16:44
I can't say I can recall anyone raving about this club. The facilities are nice, but that's not why we go to the clubs.

I think the consensus so far is the lineup has a ways to go.Hello Radler,

Visited the club for the first time. Was there at opening time 11. 00. Nice design as described before. I will make it short: it looks like they are very satiesfied with themselves and I should be glad they have provided me such a place. Line up was thin Sunday. All the girls had slept in the club. Uptill 3 in each room. Not happy they had to go downstairs all of them at 11 to a small number of guests. Tried one session without sucsess. No sex, but perhaps my bad mood over the club. Line up was not bad, but in a way uncomplete. Palace and Oase has a lot more to offer, For the first time I left a club a bit pissed off. Drove up to Zeus as I had to go north. Welcomed as an old friend. Not a special good line up, but was served with grath humor by Mercedes and another girl. Nicer guests also than VV. Next time Oase and Palace and Zeus because it is on the way.

Ekliges Lauern
07-20-08, 16:41
Line up was not bad, but in a way uncomplete.

Yeah, this club has a really weird vibe.

The facilities are beautiful. The food and drink are great.

The women are attractive enough, it just doesn't seem like most of them want to fuck you. They tend to group up or hang out with a know guy for hours without sessioning.

I'm quite familiar with "do not approach" clubs. F39 for example is a "do not approach" club where I do well. The women at other do not approach clubs have ways of letting you know they want you to session with them. A smile as you walk by, etc. Just wasn't happening when I visited VV.

It may be that the club needs some time to build a solid lineup and maybe the current lineup are former under-performers from other NRW clubs. Maybe it will improve with time. I'll probably stop in again to check out the progress as I am rooting for this club to succeed.

Jackyo
07-21-08, 01:51
I'm quite familiar with "do not approach" clubs. F39 for example is a "do not approach" club where I do well. The women at other do not approach clubs have ways of letting you know they want you to session with them. A smile as you walk by, etc.
Most of the NRW clubs have an Animierungsverbot and thank goodness they do.

Some guys think having the women approach (what is called animieren) is cool. I'd much rather that they didn't.

Ekliges Lauern
07-21-08, 10:33
Most of the NRW clubs have an Animierungsverbot and thank goodness they do.

Some guys think having the women approach (what is called animieren) is cool. I'd much rather that they didn't.

Glad you learned a new German word. Ausstrahlung was getting a bit old. Seriously, I suspect your German is better than mine, but that last post added zero information to the discussion.

Jackyo
07-21-08, 11:43
Glad you learned a new German word. Ausstrahlung was getting a bit old. Seriously, I suspect your German is better than mine, but that last post added zero information to the discussion.
... if you know me well.

I think anyone who travels there should pick up some German. It is Germany and it is the language they speak there.

Each club has its own rules. If one visits a club with this Verbot one shouldn't be surprised.

The rule is there because some guys find it annoying (this includes me) and some of us (this also includes me) will not respond favorably to women who go into too aggressive a marketing mode. It smells of desperation and implies she provides poor service.

There are guys though who think its just great that they don't have to approach the women.

I make exceptions to this. If she asks me nicely I am willing to listen to a marketing pitch and even respond positively. She just shouldn't take it against me if I say no.

I also find intriguing how the women's attitudes progress through the day. If you spend the whole day at a club it soon becomes obvious who amongst the women is in demand and who is not. Those who aren't much in demand develop progressively longer faces as the day evolves. As their faces become longer, they become less attractive to the guys... which only contributes to their not being chosen.

Dedalus
07-21-08, 17:53
but what else is new...Vielleicht sogar etwas neidisch???

Personally I got no problems when Jackyo's observations are a little aufgepeppt with some German. The man obviously has some good game with the language and it don't hurt none of us to get a bit of schoolin' now and then.





I think anyone who travels there should pick up some German. It is Germany and it is the language they speak there.


Agreed, but we have to be realistic. FKK's are not the same as the Goethe Institue and a body is only gonna get so far. Plus lots of these gals have pretty poor German skills themselves.



Each club has its own rules. If one visits a club with this Verbot one shouldn't be surprised.

The rule is there because some guys find it annoying (this includes me) and some of us (this also includes me) will not respond favorably to women who go into too aggressive a marketing mode. It smells of desperation and implies she provides poor service.

I've probably just gotten use to it. I do remember how it was in the NRW clubs back in the day. While it was nice to not have to endure the desperate sell job, I personally never turn my back on a club if the "Animierungsverbot" rule is missing. Too many sweethearts out there who deliver the good in high style that are not above a little Animierung.

Still, I can certainly understand how it is more relaxing for some Gents when that rule is in effect. I do remember once in Babylon having a devil of a time with Nina. Personally I dig the flirty, eye-contact thing and I was trying my best with her on her first day, but she seemed to always shy away, as did a lot of that late, great Babylon crew. She later explained her reasons for that: "Animierungsverbot"

A little flexibility ain't a bad thing either.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Breadman
07-21-08, 21:47
Agreed, but we have to be realistic. FKK's are not the same as the Goethe Institue and a body is only gonna get so far. Plus lots of these gals have pretty poor German skills themselves.


I've learned many different phrases from lots of people in the clubs...but you really shouldn't use most of these in your normal everyday life. People will question why your asking for a blow job instead of the time of day.





The women are attractive enough, it just doesn't seem like most of them want to fuck you. They tend to group up or hang out with a know guy for hours without sessioning.


Which blue balls do you prefer...the one where the girls ignore you and keep talking to the other girls...or the one where the girl sits with a guy for hours on end while your waiting to jump in for some action?

And how many here have taken up a girls time with idle chitchat without taking a girl to a room? I know for a fact Jackyo's done it several times.

Everhard
07-21-08, 22:03
Which blue balls do you prefer...the one where the girls ignore you and keep talking to the other girls...or the one where the girl sits with a guy for hours on end while your waiting to jump in for some action?Exactly. I know what I prefer if I have to choose. If action is desired, show some balls. If you think it is awkward, just think about how a rookie would feel in your shoes. Or concentrate your effort in Hessen. Like I do.

Basketcase
07-22-08, 01:44
Villa Vertigo has take feedback on board and seen that they need more locker room space if they expect more punters to be attending this venue.

When I was at VV last week I had Yvon translate the message in Deutsch on the door to the kino. She said that the kino was closed for renovations. Those renovations comprise the knocking through from the locker room area to create more locker room space I understand.

This means VV will be without a kino as I cannot think where a kino could be sited now that the kino next to the bar is gone. I must admit the kino was not well used at VV unlike GT where it felt like National Geographic with all the couples massaging each other, muschi licking, schlong sucking and muschi fucking and even anal fucking going on. I think I recall one guy sleeping in the kino at VV.

I do like a kino at my FKK and sauna clubs and as such Happy Garden loses visit points for me as it does not have a kino (but does have a pool!).

While at Golden Time they have nearly finished completing the plunge pool in the back garden area. It is a pity that no permission has been given for a real pool to be set in the garden at Golden Time. It is just a cold water (not warm) plunge paddling pool sited next to the outdoor couches.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Basketcase
07-22-08, 01:49
Exactly. I know what I prefer if I have to choose. If action is desired, show some balls. If you think it is awkward, just think about how a rookie would feel in your shoes. Or concentrate your effort in Hessen. Like I do.

Everhard,

I like the role reversal that you get in strip clubs and FKKs where the girls ask the guys for action or services. It is refreshing to have the girls approach the guys and not guys to approach girls and get continually rebuffed. In this case for the girls it is a business and not guys trying their luck to get their end away with a freebie if they get lucky with a girl.

As you say Hessen tends to have more girls asking the guys as the usual procedure whereas in NRW the usual situation is girls waiting to be asked by the gentlemen except for in the kino at GT where it is open territory for girls to pester guys for "blasen?"

I cannot say in my visits to VV to have had any girl ask if I wanted a blasen in the kino there. I am usually struggling to find a girl that looks like that she wants to session at all there since the girls look so disinterested in the punters. I seem to think they rather sit around all day talking to each other in their underwear rather than talk to the punters.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Ekliges Lauern
07-22-08, 02:46
mürrisch, kleinlich und pingelig

...Vielleicht sogar etwas neidisch???

Danke, Gleichfalls!

And yes, I do speak German. Badly, but i do speak it.

OK, so my post to Jackyo was a bit over the top. I had a rather harrowing flight the previous night, didn't get enough sleep and got up on the wrong side of the bed.

My point in the original post was that I am quite familiar with NRW clubs with "no approach" policies. LBC and Timmendorf had noted the same thing, the vibe from the ladies is strange at this club (unlike other NRW clubs such as GT, PHG, F39, etc.) Jackyo's post was essentially: "it must be because you aren't familiar with the NRW club policies against women approaching. I think it is a better policy. Let me show you I know the German word for it." It really didn't address the discussion at hand.

My quesion for both Jackyo and Dedalus is have you actually been to VV recently? Do you have anything to contribute based on experience at VV to the question at hand? I'm all for having a discussion of the merits of the "no approach" policy and have my own point of view. I think it should be in the General Info forum, not the VV forum unless it relates specifically to VV.

Cheers,
Radler

Dedalus
07-22-08, 17:32
My quesion for both Jackyo and Dedalus is have you actually been to VV recently? Do you have anything to contribute based on experience at VV to the question at hand? I'm all for having a discussion of the merits of the "no approach" policy and have my own point of view. I think it should be in the General Info forum, not the VV forum unless it relates specifically to VV.

Cheers,
Radler

Nah, my last visit to VV was early May. I'm still waiting for the issue of photos, customer service and a better line-up to be resolved (which, btw seems to be headed in the right direction). It would have been on my rounds a few weekends ago, but other priorities held sway.

I do however, eagerly await the keen insight and observations that you can contribute about the place. They will no doubt be illuminating and void of useless tangents and snide insults. Ordnung muß sein.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Love Palace
07-22-08, 21:14
In my quick report I stated " They looked like I should be glad they provided me with such a nice club" Statement was meant for all working personell except the reception girl. I felt the treatment in bars were a bit neglective and also mangement did not look as they were happy for guest. Has it been a hotel I would feel not welcome. The girls were very passive in the first hours with few costumer. But were looking at you later and the afternoon. It would be no problem for me to sit down and chat. But for me the line up was a bit strange, used the phrase uncomplete. Difficult to explain. But it was not Oase, even if some of them were really goodlooking.

The nice girl in the reception pointed out a girl I had read some really nice things about. We chatted for a long time. Really intelligent girl. Went to the room as she had been reported to give great CIM and really GF with kisssing.

Seems she is rather selectiv. Not for me so I dropped the session, but paid for the time. As her boss reads the reports and I really liked her, I drop the name. She is a kind of seeking amateur who sometimes click, but not with me. I miss Oase! I will make more accurate reports in the future or better none. I think clubs in Hessen are the winners. I will also stick to clubs that works for me in the future. No need to change from Palace and oase. I only need 3-4 girls each evening.

Ekliges Lauern
07-23-08, 00:07
I do however, eagerly await the keen insight and observations that you can contribute about the place. They will no doubt be illuminating and void of useless tangents and snide insults. Ordnung muß sein.

Sorry to disappoint. I suggest you add me to your ignore list as I am doing with you.

I would have preferred snarky to snide. Perhaps you can translate snarky for me into German. It would help my German vocabulary. My German really isn't that good. I speak like a retarded five year old. Although I have taught LBC and many a non-German speaking monger how to say "don't hit my balls" in German, which, when you come down to it is infinitely more useful to the average monger than Animieren. Oops, sorry, there I went again on one of my useless tangents.

As far as snide insults, I am kind of curious what it was that set you off. Was it my questioning the quality of your upbringing in the great "Sandra the Red" controversey? Or was it calling out as bullshit your statement that GT doesn't exclude by race? Or I maybe it was for pointing out that Jackyo posted a response that was unrelated to the discussion simply so he could use the word Animieren?

Or wait, don't answer. I won't be reading it. Or answer. And insult me to your heart's content. Macht nichts.

Cheers,
Radler (now where is that ignore button?)

Ekliges Lauern
07-23-08, 01:33
I cannot say in my visits to VV to have had any girl ask if I wanted a blasen in the kino there. I am usually struggling to find a girl that looks like that she wants to session at all there since the girls look so disinterested in the punters. I seem to think they rather sit around all day talking to each other in their underwear rather than talk to the punters.

I've had two women approach me in the Kino, the MILFy Thai woman, who I believe from the Ice Bears forum is named Wan Li, and the OILF (Oma I'd like to fuck) from Koeln. Or is it ODIFWW auf Deutsche (Die Oma, die ich ficken wollen wuerde).

Can't really say I am going to miss the VV Kino.

Cheers,
Radler (who is clearly grammatically challenged auf Deutsche)

Jackyo
07-24-08, 09:26
Sorry to disappoint. I suggest you add me to your ignore list as I am doing with you.

I would have preferred snarky to snide. Perhaps you can translate snarky for me into German. It would help my German vocabulary. My German really isn't that good. I speak like a retarded five year old. Although I have taught LBC and many a non-German speaking monger how to say "don't hit my balls" in German, which, when you come down to it is infinitely more useful to the average monger than Animieren. Oops, sorry, there I went again on one of my useless tangents.

As far as snide insults, I am kind of curious what it was that set you off. Was it my questioning the quality of your upbringing in the great "Sandra the Red" controversey? Or was it calling out as bullshit your statement that GT doesn't exclude by race? Or I maybe it was for pointing out that Jackyo posted a response that was unrelated to the discussion simply so he could use the word Animieren?

Or wait, don't answer. I won't be reading it. Or answer. And insult me to your heart's content. Macht nichts.

Cheers,
Radler (now where is that ignore button?)
Dude,

You would be doing yourself a favor to put me on your ignore list too.

Apparently you would prefer not to have your vocabulary enhanced. I'll leave you to wallow in your ignorance.

J

Basketcase
07-24-08, 23:42
You would be doing yourself a favor to put me on your ignore list too.

Apparently you would prefer not to have your vocabulary enhanced. I'll leave you to wallow in your ignorance.

Can we all just get along please?

This forum is about sharing information and being supportive of other visitors. There is no politics to this. Remember this and I do try to keep reminding myself this: IT IS ONLY A GAME.

We are meant to be having fun not taking digs at each other. Yes, we have different views but the point is that we should accept other peoples' views and not censor them.

My UK friends like saying about the far left and the far right types that we may disagree with what they say but we defend their right to say it. IN saying that though - for evil to thrive is for good men to stay silent.

I write English and do my best to try out a bit of German where I can to improve my vocabulary. So my apologies if my writing is a mix of all sorts. I have even started writing in German as best I can to my European office contacts in the East then get whole submissions written back to me in Deutsch since they think I want to converse in Deutsch only and English no longer. LOL.

Problem is that most of my Deutsch is not the sort you use in normal situations. I am not going to ask for a "Blasen" with my report and for someone to "lecken meine Bälle" for some respite or to say to someone "Ich bin Heiss" so can you help me out.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Londonbasketcase

Vito Corleone
07-26-08, 00:29
Can we all just get along please?
Londonbasketcase
NO!

Some of us like handling things mano a mano!

What am I talking about? I am just a big wimp!

Anyway,

Try to convince Lena @ Oase to delay her vacation until the 3rd week of Aug.

Yes. I know this is a V V section & anyone with a problem, we can handle this mano a mano.

Big30
07-26-08, 03:10
Friday, just like Wednesday I was in the Villa and was impressed by the line-up and the reconstruction work for the new locker rooms!

I am new on ISG and just cannot find the topic where I can write something about my recent Villa Vertigo visits!!

Seems this topic is not about VV visits ... . Can anyone help me??

But please correct me if I am wrong :-)!

Große Poolparty am 26.7.2008 (http://blog.villavertigo.de/?p=257)

Kind regards,
Big30

Bobo.fr
07-26-08, 14:37
Did anybody visit VV on tuesday July 22nd, after 04:00 PM ?

Beffen1
07-26-08, 15:34
Friday, just like Wednesday I was in the Villa and was impressed by the line-up and the reconstruction work for the new locker rooms!

I am new on ISG and just cannot find the topic where I can write something about my recent Villa Vertigo visits!!

Seems this topic is not about VV visits ... . Can anyone help me??

But please correct me if I am wrong :-)!

Große Poolparty am 26.7.2008 (http://blog.villavertigo.de/?p=257)

Kind regards,
Big30


Hi big 30. This is indeed the thread for VV visit reports. Please post your experiences, good and/or bad, so we can continue to judge if this beautiful club is worth another visit.

regards,
beffen

Big30
07-26-08, 23:55
Hi big 30. This is indeed the thread for VV visit reports. Please post your experiences, good and/or bad, so we can continue to judge if this beautiful club is worth another visit.

regards,
beffen

My remark was as I hope you will understand a little ironical :-), because in this thread I read so many "non-VV-visit-reports"!

Kind Regards,
Big30

Henio
07-27-08, 01:01
My remark was as I hope you will understand a little ironical :-), because in this thread I read so many "non-VV-visit-reports"!

Kind Regards,
Big30 The real irony here is that you have just added to the number of "non-VV-visit-reports" with your posts. Why don't you post the report? I for one would like to know how the lineup at VV is coming along

Jimmy Boy 99
07-27-08, 13:40
I was there yesterday, Saturday, when there was a party, so there were supposedly more girls. It was the worst line-up I have ever seen, even worse than Yin Yang. The girls were mostly old, ugly, or fat (or all three). There were four reasonably attractive girls, one of whom worked at Golden Time on weekdays and I had sessioned with there. Two of the other three weren't really my type. Went with the other one, a pretty German blonde, who had a bit more ass than I thought. However, the real turnoff was the bad taste and smell that came from her pussy. Normally, I love and require it during a session but in this case I just couldn't do it. Was able to finish and then went to Living Room, where I had an incredible one-hour session with Joy from Thailand. No need to ever go back to Villa Vertigo (or Yin Yang, for that matter).

Bobo.fr
07-27-08, 21:05
Did anybody visit VV on tuesday July 22nd, after 04:00 PM ?
I was in VV on Tuesday July 22nd, can anybody help me : I would like to know the name of the following lady.

On tuesday night at close time , I saw (and waited for) a young lady (short blonde hair, wearing pink small "bikini" (bra + small slip) ) talking with a man ( a client ? a boyfriend ?) at the bar in the living room (NOT the one serving hot drinks) . They (the man and her) stayed on the left of the barman/barmaid (so, the "restaurant" was on their back).

Apparently this young lady does NOT have any visible tatoo and she seemed to be alone (I did not see her in group with other ladies).
Earlier, let's say around 07:00PM/19:00 (of tuesday) I saw her talking to an Asian client on a sofa close to the games machines. Later, when I was in the sauna I saw her going to a room ( among the rooms on the sauna, massage side ) with this Asian client (with a goatee on his chin).

On wednesday morning, I did not see her again (I didn't know if she was not there or busy until around 04:00PM/16:00 when I left ?) !!

Big30
07-28-08, 01:41
I was in VV on Tuesday July 22nd, can anybody help me : I would like to know the name of the following lady.

On tuesday night at close time , I saw (and waited for) a young lady (short blonde hair, wearing pink small "bikini" (bra + small slip) ) talking with a man ( a client ? a boyfriend ?) at the bar in the living room (NOT the one serving hot drinks) .

On wednesday morning, I did not see her again (I didn't know if she was not there or busy until around 04:00PM/16:00 when I left ?) !!

I think the girl you describe is little Nina from Polen, 20 years old, A-cup. Indeed very often she wears a pink bikini.
She was also Wednesday in the Villa but not in the afternoon.

Regards,
Big30

Big30
07-28-08, 04:40
The receptionist was cute just wearing a rugby jersey and tiny shorts over her well tanned and slim body. She used to work behind the bar and now does the door. Another tall, slim blonde Deutsch girl has commandeered bar duties.

I did not see the manager wandering around this day like I used to see.
Cheers,

Londonbasketcase

The blond Thekefrau you saw, was Milana (Hungary), indeed she used to work behind the bar in PHG, VV and some other clubs!

The tall blond slim German girl you saw, with bar duties was Kimberly who used to work in PHG and YY.

The local German girl named Dodo is one of the top acts in VV! Highly recommended!

Kind regards,
Big30

Basketcase
07-28-08, 19:47
Guten Tag Herr Jimmy Boy 99,

Wie wollen Sie tun?


I was there yesterday, Saturday, when there was a party, so there were supposedly more girls.

I must admit my bad timing. I have not been to any FKK or sauna club where there has been a party. Regardless, the venues are usually well attended by punters and working ladies alike.

Good for you for making the supreme effort to be there on a party Tag.


It was the worst line-up I have ever seen, even worse than Yin Yang. The girls were mostly old, ugly, or fat (or all three).

Hey, I understand. I have been there.

Then again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I have seen girls that guys rave about on this board and on other forums and wonder what the excitement is all about.

The same can be said for my girl friends which seem to have a uniform look to them. Hey, I know what I like okay?

Some guys like their women to be maturer, less conventional beauty challenged and horizontally wider than the ideal. I sometimes see these ladies do brisk business, but not for me. Viva la difference, mon ami!!


There were four reasonably attractive girls, one of whom worked at Golden Time on weekdays and I had sessioned with there. Two of the other three weren't really my type. Went with the other one, a pretty German blonde, who had a bit more ass than I thought.


Interesting to note that an Ex Golden Time worker was in the reasonable good looking category for you denoting the standard that can be found in Golden Time.


However, the real turnoff was the bad taste and smell that came from her pussy.

This would not be Dodo by any chance? She is a pretty German brown eyed blonde - local NRW girl. My session was fine as it can be best be said for a Villa Vertigo session with her body away from me during BBBJ with me standing and her kneeling. Missionary was fine as well as I was up above her. When it came to doggie and her arse was pointing up at me, well, I had to hold my breath and think of tax invoices or other mundanities to continue.

The ironic thing was that she took a shower in the ensuite bathroom before she joined me on the bed. I guess she did not scrub down below very well.


Normally, I love and require it during a session but in this case I just couldn't do it.

Yes, I declined as well.


Was able to finish and then went to Living Room, where I had an incredible one-hour session with Joy from Thailand. No need to ever go back to Villa Vertigo (or Yin Yang, for that matter).

Yes, I finished too but not in the conventional sense I am sorry. However, I did not go to Living Room for a one hour session with Joy from Thailand. I am glad that she gave you Joy.

Chaos,

Londonbasketcase

Basketcase
07-28-08, 19:53
BIG30!!!

Hoe doe je?

Replies to my dear and learned colleague Big30:


The blond Thekefrau you saw, was Milana (Hungary), indeed she used to work behind the bar in PHG, VV and some other clubs!

Yes, I recall now seeing her at PHG. I thought she was Deutsch. Nice Hungarian girl.


The tall blond slim German girl you saw, with bar duties was Kimberly who used to work in PHG and YY.

I like the name Kimberly - very Anglo. I do not recall seeing her at PHG or YY. I do remember some pretty bar staff at YY and I spent many a hour trying to look down their tops and watch them bend over to show off their G strings from their low slung jeans.


The local German girl named Dodo is one of the top acts in VV! Highly recommended!

Yes, Dodo recommended for the BJ but I think I caught her on a bad arse and muschi cleaning day. Sorry.

I will try again. Dodo does look very pretty.

Chaos,

Londonbasketcase

Basketcase
07-28-08, 20:03
Herr Don Corleone,

I wish for World peace to all men and ISG punters:


Some of us like handling things mano a mano!

There are alternatives. Look for the third way.


What am I talking about? I am just a big wimp!

I do not think you are a wimp.


Try to convince Lena @ Oase to delay her vacation until the 3rd week of Aug.

Yes. I know this is a V V section & anyone with a problem, we can handle this mano a mano.

This should be in the Oase section, but to answer your question, I can do as much here in the same way as I can stop the tide from turning.

Many girls are on holidays and they are being lamented by recent visitors in the mid Juli to end of August period. Just ring ahead to check who is on the roster for the day.

I have even seen two of my A list leave the business altogether. I am crest fallen at their departure.

On a brighter note - one came back to work again. Yay!!!

Londonbasketcase

Jimmy Boy 99
07-28-08, 21:04
Yes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but some people might benefit from glasses. However, for me, paraphrasing the immortal words of a poster on the Rio forum, I would have had to charge most of the girls at Villa Vertigo something to fuck them.

Yes, the girl was Dodo. I don't think she smelled because she didn't wipe her ass well because that wouldn't make her pussy taste bitter. Maybe she has some kind of yeast infection or some glandular thing going on.

The girl from GT that was at VV still works at GT (she is here now as I write from GT).

Bobo.fr
07-28-08, 21:56
1) Thanks to Big30 for your answer.

2) JimmyBoy99, was it possible that "pretty women" were all busy ?
For example, it was not easy for me to get Yvonne (I missed the lady Nina(?) just because I had to wait for Yvonne) and when I succeeded in "catching" her , I spent more than 2 hours (that means that a guy who spent less than 2 hours in looking for her may think that she didn't work on that day !!).

3) Radler, I agree with you : for people who discover this kind of club, it's not very easy to "catch" a lady who is speaking in group (I remember the same feelings when I was young and shy, waiting for an opportunity to invite a girl for a dance when she spent time in chatting with her friends !!).
But, in general, you can give her a sign. The worst is when you look at her spending (long) time in trying to convince a guy to go to room when you are already ready for that but don't have any opportunity to let her know !!

4) The ladies I met at VV:
Yvonne-Yvona : I met her for the first time at the club Yin Yang. As we know each other a bit more and more, the meeting time becomes better and better; give and receive kisses.
Yana : nice lady, give and receive kisses
Julia : young German lady, her face makes me think about the singer/actress Jane Birkin (when she was young).Julia does not kiss.

Jimmy Boy 99
07-28-08, 22:33
I was there for 6 hours. I doubt even one, let alone all, the pretty women were occupied for the whole time I was there. I would have seen them at least in passing or at dinner.

Duralong
08-01-08, 21:17
Continues from "Tuesday - PauchalClub Airport, Dortmund"

Despite the recent polemics and the not always positive reports about this place on this and other forums, the day after, I decided nevertheless to pay a visit to the place. After all a new club whose potential I was curious to discover. Also the French forum appears to be much more positive than this one, what’s the truth?
It was a cloudy and rainy Wednesday morning and I arrived at the place at about 12:15.
The place is indeed furnished in high standard, although some choices appears at least questionable, like some of you have observed.

There were about 15 girls present, and about 15 guys as well, everything could make think of a slow day, but fortunately later on things will have changed, the sun will show up and in late afternoon nearly 30 girls were present, but also at least 50 icebears.

However for the moment is cloudy and the atmosphere very relaxed, not to say boring.

* Tatjana

A redhead with luminous blue eyes, that I already noticed before, smiles at me from the other side of the bar desk. I am not convinced yet, but respond to her smile and she comes to sit close to me. She speaks good English and we chat for a while. Tatjana, looks like 25 but she should be about 30, almost 180 cm tall, very attractive face with fleshy lips, B cups and long legs, but I will realize later that her body doesn’t express full harmony. She is from Moscow and about to return home to join her daughter for a vacation on the Black Sea. So I said “lucky me that I came today”, in fact it turned out to be true, but not for having encountered her!

Once in the rooms she is cool, doesn’t kiss, doesn’t want to be fingered, “of course not” she says (well we live in a variegate world). Her tits are fake, and this is a sort of turnoff for me, nevertheless I am comforted by the evident reaction of her huge nipples, which reinforces further when I suck them! I have a long taste of her pussy, she then takes my cock in her mouth with me on my knee on the bed but I want to see and taste her pussy again so I sneak my head between her legs and we continue in 69 for a long while. Finally she decide to come over me, places the condom and moans when I penetrate her. She rides me wildly and I don’t care too much to refrain myself, thus I come quite ahead of time. I am disappointed at this time that she shows no tenderness. She stands up to take a shower (rooms in VV are really large and have a bathroom) and invites me to do the same. There are 5-6’ left and I ask her to end the session with some talk and fondling, although the situation appears compromised. She says she might talk to me if I buy her some champagne at the bar! And she complains of having treated her as pro. Unbelievable!
To my surprise she explains that she was disturbed by my initial request of kissing her, that she might kiss but she doesn’t do it routinely, if it comes naturally ok, otherwise she doesn’t want to be forced to. Obviously I didn’t force her to anything, but wasn’t she there getting paid by me for her services or what?

Alright, a session to forget, but finding or creating the right chemistry with everybody is impossible, and sometimes chemistry is a sort of disaster. (It comforts me however to read on the French and Dutch forums that I was not the only guy to be disappointed by this lady, so beware guys!).

Long time to recover and wait, also because none of the other girls really appealed me. Luckily I found a brisk German fellow to talk to and exchange experiences.

At around 15 new girls arrives. I recognize Bianca, with whom I had a session once in GT, and other ex PHG stars. Among the chatting crowd I notice a tall booby hazel/blond girl with some flesh on the bones. (I will recognize later that it was not the first time I was seeing her. In fact she also was at PHG last year in September, during that my unfortunate visit.)
I kept tracking this girl. She doesn’t have a beautiful face, but gee, what a body! However she doesn’t smile or glimpse to anybody, she seems only interested in chatting with her girl friends.
In the meantime the day has changed completely and it’s getting warm and sunny. I thus take the occasion for a complete sunbath on one of the cot around the pool. My girl is on the big round bed on the other side, always in company of her friends.

* Yula

Finally, at around 16:30, I catch her sitting on one of those tall couches in front of the bar desk close to the buffet. She seems more relaxed and I succeed to make her smile recounting her of how I have been chasing her since her arrival. Yula is Polish, 23, 180 (I like tall girls!). It’s nice talking to her and she shows me a sweet attitude.
At about 5 we move to a room upstairs. I get always excited in following girls upstairs :-) Yula, as I said, has a marvelous body, moreover perfectly tanned. She has big natural boobs, soft, but enough tonic to challenge gravity, although a difficult task, so some signs of the effort appear.
She is tender and places no limits, kisses eagerly and let me do what I want responding and participating.
Wow! This time I like the action! Sucking and clasping those big tits is a real joy. She is hot and wet, refraining myself in mish is an impossible task, so I know I won’t have lasted longer before coming, so I ask for extended time and she agrees happily, shortly after I erupt inside her. Gosh! Yummy babe, looks like I am her boyfriend, incredible.

An interval of hugs and caresses follows. She is now giving me a massage at my neck and back that I appreciate. I flip exposing my member and she starts some maneuvers to reanimate the baby. I say it’s still too early, that she should be patient some more minutes. Don’t know for you guys, but for me in these moments some tenderness is usually more exciting that a BJ. In fact, after just maybe 2’ thanks to her presence (and thanks also to the yellow little helper) I feel the blood flowing again to enlarge and distend the organ, some more seconds and it is again at full mast, hard like rock. She express her approval.
She resumes action with a BJ, which turns later in a real throat fuck. Then she wears me the condom and invites me to take her. My dick slides easily into her sopping pussy and I start what will be a long ride. I feel her very intensely, our organs seem to be perfectly matched and I perceive a participation from her that I cannot believe could be faked. She moans under my thrusts, moans louder looking at my dick sliding into her. We enjoyed several positions and I think she came twice, once while in DS and once in missionary.
She really made me “feel a man”.
As for me I wasn’t able to come a second time, it really looks like 1h is not enough for me in these situations, nevertheless my encounter with Yula can be considered one of the best fuck that I ever had in clubs.

I may have prolonged further the session, but this can be risky, my previous experiences are not encouraging in this sense. An exceptional attraction and understanding with the girl is required to maintain arousal to a high level, this could have been the case, but after all it was my first encounter with her, then physical exhaustion may face up, and I already felt somewhat tired, so many things can go wrong and I preferred to quit there, maintaining such good memories.

She said it was the first time she made sex after a 2 months vacation at home, as she doesn’t have a boyfriend or husband, nor other special friends for doing it. She likes it like this, to be free. She just returned today “on duty” and she had her first session after such a long time with me, so she was fortunate to start with a guy like me. Well, really flattering! I don’t know if I can believe everything, but this explains her long time spent with her girlfriends upon her arrival, and her eagerness for sex. As for our encounter I believe she really liked it, I liked it for sure, and was pretty lucky to have such an occasion! Could have been much different at the end of the day, when she could have been tired after several sessions.

I usually don’t tip the girls (as recommended in the FAQ’s), but this time I was so happy that I thought she could well deserve a small tip, so I handed her 80 euros saying to keep them, which she certainly did, kissed me and our paths separated.

Later I saw her spending a lot of time talking to an older man smoking a cigar, perhaps an old client of her, before disappearing. I wondered if she would have kissed eagerly him too.

At this point was certainly time to recharge batteries, too bad that my German friend for the day was not in sight, so I had to eat my meal alone. I had already finished and was drinking something outside when he showed up with a slightly fatigued but happy expression. He had just come out from a 2 hours session!
Lucky guy, he is still in his early 40’s, also for me was different some 12-13 years ago!
Obviously I asked for details and was impatient to see the object of such passionate attention. He told me she is a young EE girl at her first day like a pro! So with a still natural attitude, particularly with a guy she likes, and this was the case with him. He told me she was continually taking the initiative, thus leading him naturally to such a performance. The guy had a 360° smile on his face, but certainly he bumped into something singular. The girl was not in sight, but later she will show up and he went to talk to her again. In my opinion an absolutely ordinary girl, blonde, slim, of average height, still with a student face, one I cannot classify as extremely sexy, but sometimes, you know, girls with ordinary look deserves surprises.

My friend had interesting experiences of his life to recount. According to him he had a relatively poor sexual life till the age of 25 or so, but later on he made up for this with the interests. He started travelling in EE countries and there found his treasure. He claimed also of having had a relation with a former Playboy Czech model! And provided details. What can I say, he was probably saying the truth, good for him.
I also have my fondling memories, but haven’t been that lucky, in any case I was sympathetic with him. I felt we have something in common, the main is probably this: we are both relatively old single guys, with strong sexual pulsions, but probably destined to get old in solitude.

At about 22 I called it a day and headed to the hotel.

Before reaching my room I was surprised of seeing a vast majority of men chatting in the lounge. Travelling for work is still mainly a men’s matter, also here in Germany.

Continues at "Thursday - Goldentime" [url=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772014&postcount=670 (]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=772009&postcount=2274[/url)

Big30
08-02-08, 21:37
Among the chatting crowd I notice a tall booby hazel/blond girl with some flesh on the bones. (I will recognize later that it was not the first time I was seeing her. In fact she also was at PHG last year in September, during that my unfortunate visit.)
I kept tracking this girl. She doesn’t have a beautiful face, but gee, what a body! However she doesn’t smile or glimpse to anybody, she seems only interested in chatting with her girl friends.

From the description above, I am sure it was Laura from Latvia, ex-PHG that you spotted! She is now on holiday.

Kind Regards,
Big30

Duralong
08-02-08, 23:13
From the description above, I am sure it was Laura from Latvia, ex-PHG that you spotted! She is now on holiday.

Kind Regards,
Big30

Big30, maybe that the two girls resemble each other, but she was Yula from Poland.
I don't think she uses 2 different identities, as she has a dedicated section in the Dutch forum since quite a while.
Moreover, as I wrote, she told me she was just back from vacations.

Basketcase
08-03-08, 01:33
Reply to Jimmy Boy 99:


Yes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but some people might benefit from glasses.

Yes beauty is as one sees it whether in an alcohol or illegal drugs induced haze or whethr fully sober and in charge on one's wits. The dark lighting also helps to hide the imperfections that broad daylight does not hide.

We can all be glad that we all do not have the same taste in women or else we would all be going after the same girls.

For those that I think are deranged going for women that I would not even touch with a barge pole I think yay, more of the nice ones for me as per what I think is beauty.


However, for me, paraphrasing the immortal words of a poster on the Rio forum, I would have had to charge most of the girls at Villa Vertigo something to fuck them.

I understand what you are trying to say and I get that there is a hint of a joke in there because of the use of exaggeration. Now, that may be going a bit far. I can think in real life if many of these girls offered themselves in a open play (not pay for play) singles situation to you that you would be very hard pressed to say no to them given the chance and no concern of being caught or breaching some fidelity.

I say this in the most respectful sense to you.


Yes, the girl was Dodo. I don't think she smelled because she didn't wipe her ass well because that wouldn't make her pussy taste bitter. Maybe she has some kind of yeast infection or some glandular thing going on.

Thank you for naming the girl in your report Jimmy Boy 99. Very good.

I agree that the smell may be due to some yeast infection or some other. Let me say that it was no pleasant and bought a tear to my eye as I stifled my breath.


The girl from GT that was at VV still works at GT (she is here now as I write from GT).

Very good Jimmy Boy 99. We shall go look her up.

Cheers,

Londonbasketcase

Big30
08-03-08, 03:56
Big30, maybe that the two girls resemble each other, but she was Yula from Poland.

No, Yula and Laura do not resemble each other!!! Laura is now on vacation and Yula from Poland is hopping between PHG and VV.

I cannot agree with the remark that Yula has not a beautifull face!

Kind regards,
Big30

Duralong
08-03-08, 09:03
I cannot agree with the remark that Yula has not a beautifull face!

You are highlighting the only slightly negative remark I made on her,
but honestly, if we want to come to numbers to be clear, I would rate her body a 9 and her face a 7.
I would use the term beautiful only for 8 or higher, so in my opinion her face is pleasant, but not beautiful,
however this doesn’t impede to classify her complexly as a stunner!

Anyway as I said once, and LBC is saying just in his last comment in this tread,
it’s only good that we all don’t have the same taste :)

Capitola
08-03-08, 20:07
Last night the Valencia Soccer Team showed up at VV.

The night was ruined. The girls jumped on them and overcharged them and it was bad for business.

I hate VV.

Basketcase
08-03-08, 23:04
Last night the Valencia Soccer Team showed up at VV.

The night was ruined. The girls jumped on them and overcharged them and it was bad for business.

Wow, this must be a bit of publicity for Villa Vertigo to have the entire Valencia football team come to punt together at this brothel and not at say Golden Time or Planet Happy Garden instead. Maybe it is not the sort of thing Golden Time desires because larger groups get turned away.

Are you sure that the girls overcharged them? Lots of girls go with footballers for free so that they can say that they did a footballer. The "kiss and tell" type stories is reward enough for many girls.

On another note I can also understand what you say that an evening for a punter who has made a special trip to be there when celebrities like these turn up meaning the girls spend all their attention on them instead of the other punters can ruin one's evening. C'est la vie.

Henio
08-03-08, 23:57
Dudes, are you kidding me. It is not cool identifying guys like this. No matter what their profession is, you should show some respect towards your fellow FKK visitors and their privacy. You can write about the girls, your visits, facilities whatever, but please do not identify your fellow visitors like this.

Dedalus
08-04-08, 00:15
Dudes, are you kidding me. It is not cool identifying guys like this. No matter what their profession is, you should show some respect towards your fellow FKK visitors and their privacy. You can write about the girls, your visits, facilities whatever, but please do not identify your fellow visitors like this.

Wait til it gets out that VV will be hosting the Ugandan debate team next month and Brazilian Bowling champions the month after.

Henio's point is an important one. Especially on this particular thread and in this particular club.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Capitola
08-04-08, 12:58
Let me get this straight. These guys show up in the VV shouting they were big shots football players, grabbing all the girls available cockblocking everybody, dancing loudly, showing off champagne.

Where was the respect for us then?

About the overcharging, there was this guy, Morientes that was talking loudly about how cool was his friend that paied 50 EURO. WTF?

I told him that 50 is the norm in NRW and they were just plaied up by the piranhas. And riuning the market. Basically my evening was riuned because rather being in a brothel I ended up in a frikking spoiled children disco. WTF!

Anyway. Who cares. I should have taken pictures with my phone and blackmailed them. Or I should have bet aginst them in the game of Sunday vs. Monchengladbach where they lost 4-2.

In this game discretion is a two way street: you pretend it by they club but if you are coming all cocky and showing off how great you are because you hit a ball with a foot, you are asking for troubles.

Do you want discretion? Shut up and play. And do not show off cash because you are ruining my game.

Everhard
08-04-08, 18:53
IMO Discretion is highly important, but

1. No fellow visitors were really identified. Just a fraternity.
2. Celebrities are bit special after all. Did I tell you I met Robert De Niro and Dick Cheney at Oase last week? Oops, maybe I shouldn't mentioned this...
3. I agree with Capitola, respect is a 2way street. If one cannot stick to the (unwritten) rules in a place, well... Try throwing stuff at the Valencia team next time they play and see what happens.

Especially on this particular thread and in this particular club.??? Please enlighten

Robert De Niro
08-04-08, 21:24
Everhard,

Were you talkin' to me?

Yeah, I go to Paris, I go to London, I go to Rome, and I always say, 'There's no place like FKK World. It's the most exciting FKK in the world now. That's the way it is. That's it.

Take my advice, learn the two greatest thing in life, never rat on your friends, and always keep your mouth shut.

I guess I'm gonna get a chorus of ...
"He knew the risks, he didn't have to be there. It rains...you get wet."

but I'm with Henio on this buddy.

Robert De Niro


IMO Discretion is highly important, but

1. No fellow visitors were really identified. Just a fraternity.
2. Celebrities are bit special after all. Did I tell you I met Robert De Niro and Dick Cheney at Oase last week? Oops, maybe I shouldn't mentioned this...
3. I agree with Capitola, respect is a 2way street. If one cannot stick to the (unwritten) rules in a place, well... Try throwing stuff at the Valencia team next time they play and see what happens.
??? Please enlighten

Shasar
08-04-08, 23:55
Last night the Valencia Soccer Team showed up at VV.

The night was ruined. The girls jumped on them and overcharged them and it was bad for business.

I hate VV.And what about their goalie, Timo Hildebrand? Was he in VV too?

Ekliges Lauern
08-05-08, 00:21
Or I should have bet aginst them in the game of Sunday vs. Monchengladbach where they lost 4-2.Game was Saturday afternoon. No truth to the rumor that the coach would have taken them to Golden Time had they won instead of Villa Vertigo.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Capitola
08-05-08, 08:32
Yes he was there.

Dedalus
08-05-08, 12:32
IMO Discretion is highly important, but

1. No fellow visitors were really identified. Just a fraternity.
2. Celebrities are bit special after all. Did I tell you I met Robert De Niro and Dick Cheney at Oase last week? Oops, maybe I shouldn't mentioned this...
3. I agree with Capitola, respect is a 2way street. If one cannot stick to the (unwritten) rules in a place, well... Try throwing stuff at the Valencia team next time they play and see what happens.

??? Please enlighten


Hey Everhard,

While I'm hate to defend the principles of club discretion, privacy and "honor among mongers" based on a bunch of rowdy football dudes, I still gotta agree with Henio on this one.

Look at this way: We have probably all been loud, drunken and boisterous at a party or gathering at some point. However most of us would really not want that known by our families, work colleagues or the general public.

I can't speak for the guys seen at VV, but I DO know that attitude of several people on this board, which is that none of us should be complacent about ANY club visitor's privacy. Might have been easier to swallow had the guys at VV not been so specifically identified.

A number of right fine Gents on this board have been the "victims" of a few isg posters' indiscretion, and this has made a number of us justifiably antsy about this topic. Another unfortunate byproduct of this is that many guys have stopped writing reports because of this since it is now too easy for us to be identified.

As to why this is a sensitive topic on THIS thread; this is the club that use to allow photos to be taken of guests. Go back several pages and you can read about it.

There IS a way of reporting, being informative, funny, etc., and still maintaining discretion. I personally think that it begins with maintaining good posting habits.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Capitola
08-05-08, 15:33
I could care less. Do you know why nickname is "Capitola"? And why yours is "Dedalus"?

Because we do not want to be identified. If I'm in club I do not disclose my name, I do not ask other guys name and I lie to the bitches when they ask for my name as well as they lie to me when I ask theirs.

These dudes could have been more discrete and simply tell each other on the bus before going in not to tell to anybody who they were.

But they did not. They had no problems to tell averybody they were Valencia players and they used that to monopolize the place and the girls and killed the market for that night.

If they were discrete they would have received discretion. They acted as they did not care about anybody so why should I care?

Matter of fact I do not care. Do they have partners, wives, families?

Well, guess what? I have a family too and I take thousand of precautions to preserve it against my nasty habit of screwing bitches around the world.

If they would care they would have too.

Fuck them. Bunch of spoiled, rowdy millionaries.

My only regret is that I did not take pictures and blackmailed them or sent to some Spanish tabloid.

Ortos
08-05-08, 18:11
I could care less. Do you know why nickname is "Capitola"? And why yours is "Dedalus"?

Because we do not want to be identified. If I'm in club I do not disclose my name, I do not ask other guys name and I lie to the bitches when they ask for my name as well as they lie to me when I ask theirs.

Matter of fact I do not care. Do they have partners, wives, families?

Well, guess what? I have a family too and I take thousand of precautions to preserve it against my nasty habit of screwing bitches around the world.

If they would care they would have too.

Fuck them. Bunch of spoiled, rowdy millionaries.

My only regret is that I did not take pictures and blackmailed them or sent to some Spanish tabloid.

Why do you insist to call girls who work in these clubs "bitches." This is rather derogatory and shows bad manners, perhaps minimal education on your part, and represents you as a peasant. Can't you raise your level a bit?

It is distastefull and not necessary. Why not just call them girls or women or, if you must, chicks. But "bitches?" Really, you should be ashamed of yourself...

Ortos

Chicafan
08-05-08, 19:15
Why do you insist to call girls who work in these clubs "bitches." This is rather derogatory and shows bad manners, perhaps minimal education on your part, and represents you as a peasant. Can't you raise your level a bit?

It is distastefull and not necessary. Why not just call them girls or women or, if you must, chicks. But "bitches?" Really, you should be ashamed of yourself...

Ortos

Oh c'mon now, it wasn't THAT bad.

Warsteiner
08-05-08, 19:37
Capitola made a few distasteful reports in the GT section a while back particularly regarding Regi and saying that anyone who had a session with her must be a paedophile as she looks like a small boy and now it appears he has now moved into the VV section.

I agree with Ortos that these women shouldn't be called bitches. This is just the male equivalent of a girl who works in the club seeing all men as €50 notes and providing poor service before quickly moving onto the next club. The women who make a lot of money in the clubs are the ones who ensure that the men enjoy themselves and provide a good service – not the ‘zack, zack und weg’ type. This is the same for men; those who treat the women nicely and speak to them like ‘real’ human beings and don’t treat them as ‘bitches’ are the ones who have the better sessions.

IF the football team did show up then what’s the problem, I’m sure there were enough women for everyone and if not then go back next weekend. I would be very doubtful that the 1st team did show up as they have enough women throwing themselves at them in the ‘real world’ and don’t need to pay €50 for 30 mins of fun in a FKK club.

Jackyo
08-05-08, 20:45
... and you will get some respect back in return.

Its really not necessary to put these women down.

There are social and economic forces at work here which make this work necessary for them. There is a story behind how each of them got to where they did.

A lot of them are a lot smarter than one gives them credit for. Each runs her own little business: she does her own marketing, takes care of operations and customer service.

Last I was at PT Dorsten I had this really awful session with Julia who is tall, blonde and Romanian.

Because it was a Monday and there wasn't much going on, we found ourselves outside at a table just kind of chatting about life in general and her personal situation.

It turns out she's really very articulate, is trying to deal with a personal financial situation.

We kind of did this in reverse (having sex first, that is, instead of talking first and then having sex) but she actually warmed up to me towards the end and I did to her.

The name calling doesn't do anything for anybody.

Dedalus
08-05-08, 20:49
I could care less. Do you know why nickname is "Capitola"? And why yours is "Dedalus"?

Because we do not want to be identified. If I'm in club I do not disclose my name, I do not ask other guys name and I lie to the bitches when they ask for my name as well as they lie to me when I ask theirs.

These dudes could have been more discrete and simply tell each other on the bus before going in not to tell to anybody who they were.

But they did not. They had no problems to tell averybody they were Valencia players and they used that to monopolize the place and the girls and killed the market for that night.

If they were discrete they would have received discretion. They acted as they did not care about anybody so why should I care?

Matter of fact I do not care. Do they have partners, wives, families?

Well, guess what? I have a family too and I take thousand of precautions to preserve it against my nasty habit of screwing bitches around the world.

If they would care they would have too.

Fuck them. Bunch of spoiled, rowdy millionaries.

My only regret is that I did not take pictures and blackmailed them or sent to some Spanish tabloid.


I wasn't trying to elicit any hostility or even really to be critical. Just trying to explain a point of view.

Too bad about your ruined evening. That's a shame. Better luck next time.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Everhard
08-05-08, 22:36
Bob,
It is good to hear from you again.


Take my advice, learn the two greatest thing in life, never rat on your friends, and always keep your mouth shut.I will never understand how you got credit for stealing my quote. Shame on you. You know I let the dick do the talking (not Dick, obviously).

Euro100
08-06-08, 02:19
I would be very doubtful that the 1st team did show up as they have enough women throwing themselves at them in the ‘real world’ and don’t need to pay €50 for 30 mins of fun in a FKK club.
I don't agree with this. The attraction of paying €50 is not to get the 30 minutes of sex, but it is to get to walk away from the girl without any further commitment after the fact.

I have had "free" sex that ended up costing me A LOT. That's not going to happen in an FKK. So €50 is cheaper than "free".

euro

Ekliges Lauern
08-06-08, 02:42
The only reason it is ever acceptable to out a monger or a working lady is if they step out of line in a criminal manner. There was a post a few months ago about some asshole drugging a girl at Oase. In that case, outing is acceptable, for anything short of that no.

Simply being a loud asshole is not sufficient reason for being outed. Nor is upselling, overcharging, providing bad service sufficient cause for a woman to be outed.

We all depend on our anonymity. Let's remember that.

As far as referring to women as bitches, well, you get out of this game what you put into it. Most of these women came to this point in their lives through hard circumstances. Respect and kindness is generally appreciated and rewarded. Plus, it's just being a decent human. But if you want to be an asshole to women in the clubs, don't be surprised if you get less than stellar service.

Capitola surfaces once every few months to stir up trouble. Interesting he did it in the VV thread, which is becoming the new Palace thread. It is becoming the catch all thread for every wild post, argument and digression.

Vito Corleone
08-06-08, 08:50
Although I was not present during the photo incident, I have no doubt who's story to believe. I know the persons involved, and their character is unimpeachable. Plus, none of the undisputed facts justify the behavior of management. Privacy is something that I will never comprise. Respect is the second thing. This is one club I will not visit in the future.
WOW! I had NO idea this was going on @ V V. I never really read this section as I never planned on visiting this club. I know I responded to 1 of LBC's request to "get along", but I had no idea what he was talking about.

I absolutely agree with Akibono. I know both Henio & Fusco & I will support my fellow ISG buds & not visit this club this weekend.

Vito Corleone
08-06-08, 09:03
Hello Cynical,

Naw, if I had caught you taking shots of me I wouldn't have even asked the question. Where I'm from you don't ask, you act. Believe me, my friends dealt with the incident much more calmly then I would have.

Cheers,

Dedalus
Wassup Deda,

I agree. Our friends did deal with this incident with cool composure & I am glad I was not present because I most likely would not be able to hold my temper. With the photographers permission or not, I would have deleted the photos or taken the "chip."

Vito Corleone
08-06-08, 09:20
As for me and my friends, we can't really go again on principle since we can't give our money to someone that treated us unfairly, but I am not calling for a boycott on the club. I am trying to be fair here since I don't think that one mistake (oh well, kind of series of mistakes tied to one incident) should cause others to avoid the club.

If you see a photographer "disguised" as a guest aim his camera in your direction, a good idea would be to just gently push the bugger into the pool with his gear :-) I realize that we were probably way to polite to him at the time :-)
Wassup Henio,

I am proud of the way you & Fusco dealt with the whole incident. My first reaction would have been to approach the photographer & make him eat his camera. After a couple of deep breathes, I would most likely have been polite until the "leave the club now" crap. I would have lost it & given the photographer 2 choices. Either delete the photos or eat through a straw for 8 months!

Capitola
08-06-08, 09:59
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Ortos
08-06-08, 17:21
The term "*****" is actually used a lot in American slang and not necessarly as derogatory term. Black guys use is at lot in their ebonics normally as well as they call each other "nigger" without anybody taking offence.

It depends by the context of course. If myself as caucasian would call an african american "n*****" while walking in Beverly Hills I would probably get my ass kicked (and well deserved I must add.)

We are talking of a brothel where women are sucking and fucking for money. Women that are renting their body for cash and willing to take a sip of your body fluids for little cash. In my book it is fair to call them bitches at least having this context in perspective.

If I would refer to them in other circumstances (like meeting them in a supermarket) I would deserve to get my ass kicked.

Do not lose perspective and be a little ironic here. We are not *exactly* in a church here. We are in a brothel and the language used is not what it would be used in other circumstances. These girls have more sense of humour that you are demonstrating here.



With all due respect (--hey there's a nice word!), I think your arguments here are a bit pathetic, even laughable in some cases. E.g.: Are you seriously trying to use interpretation of American slang as an excuse for using the term "*****"? LOL! Give us a break, man! I know American slang just as well, if not better, than you, and only within the low-class section of society is the term "bitches" thrown around with reckless abandon as in your earlier post. It is always deragotory and you know it.

Any way, the point has been made that some of us (most???) find your use in the context you used it distastefull and really low-class. That's it. If you want to use it, go ahead. You don't have to come up with lame paragraphs --we're not in a church here, friends-- that kind of stuff. Just get on with it. But it in my book, it marks you as a jerk, peasant, male klugscheisser! But I would certainly defend your right to write in any manner and tone you wish. It just seemed that you deliberately chose that term as a derogatory thing. You yourself love to go to these clubs and get sucked and fucked. But the girls who would be so low as to actually engage in the business of fullfilling your enjoyment and fantasies are "bitches." I love it...

Ortos

Warsteiner
08-06-08, 19:03
Get the fuck out of my way.

Well, it seems you have managed to upset a lot of people on this board with your 15 posts - congratulations :)

I'm must also congratulate you on the massive improvement of your English in the last couple of months. In the GT thread it was pretty obvious that your native language wasn't English however now your English is excellent. Is someone translating for you, have you given your login details to someone else or just been studying intensively?

Dick Travel
08-06-08, 23:56
Capitola,

I too would defend your right to partake fully in the forum through the means of expressing your views.

However,


We are not *exactly* in a church here. We are in a brothel and the language used is not what it would be used in other circumstances.

...

In my book it is fair to call them bitches at least having this context in perspective.


We are neither in a church or a brothel here, we are in the online community of the ISG forum and hence other peoples "books" have to be considered and respected too.

I find in real life if I moderate my language and tone and approach to match those of the audience I wish to communicate with, then my views are more often listened too.

I find if I dont then often they stop listening.

I re-iterate your views are welcome, but perhaps you will rile less ISG members and gain more respect for your views if you calmly moderate your tone/language a little, I am sure you can conjour up enough vocabulary to express yourself without terms which I am sure you could have anticipated might be seen as "derogatory".

You may well have not intended to rile, but you did.

I hope this thread doesn't turn into a Capitola vs others chest beating thread.

Best wishes and respect to all.

DT

Akibono
08-07-08, 03:06
the term "*****" is actually used a lot in american slang and not necessarly as derogatory term. black guys use is at lot in their ebonics normally as well as they call each other "nigger" without anybody taking offence.

it depends by the context of course. if myself as caucasian would call an african american "n*****" while walking in beverly hills i would probably get my ass kicked (and well deserved i must add.)

we are talking of a brothel where women are sucking and fucking for money. women that are renting their body for cash and willing to take a sip of your body fluids for little cash. in my book it is fair to call them bitches at least having this context in perspective.

if i would refer to them in other circumstances (like meeting them in a supermarket) i would deserve to get my ass kicked.

do not lose perspective and be a little ironic here. we are not *exactly* in a church here. we are in a brothel and the language used is not what it would be used in other circumstances. these girls have more sense of humour that you are demonstrating here.

about regi at gt, i simply said that she is obviously a troubled girl with an evident anorexia going on and with an obvious past of drug abuse (brown corrupted teeth). if you do not want to listen this do not read my posts.

i have never said that who decide to pay for her services is a ****. i simply said that given her health conditions, she looks more like a child that a woman.

having said that anybody can do or say whatever he wants. she is known to be a nasty ***** (no pun intented.) in the sack and that's great for her and for whoever use her services. she sucks and swallows and gets off anally. i would be afraid to do that with her because i scared of catching something nasty but that's all i have to say about that.

finally about the soccer team. i find this "do not rat" think pretty hipocritical. if a girl someday maybe in bad mood and does not perform well in the room, there is no mercy to put a detailed description of her including moles, tatoo to allow easy identification to prevent other to get robbed.

nobody ever though that he maybe not nice or annoying or maybe badly smelling which cause the girl to refuse certain services.

the frikking soccer guys did not care about privacy otherwise they would have behaved differently so why should be given any discretion treatment?

because of some cheap "godfather" rule?

get the fuck out of my way.


nothing is gained by degrading others because of their line of work. it just shows your lack of sophistication. yes, blacks refer to girls at bitches, and that term is used in a derogatory manner. it is intended to improve their status by puting down someone else. you are doing the same. just because others do something does not make it right or appropriate for you to do the same.

Fkk Lover
08-07-08, 05:43
Probably being the closest here to Compton and South Central LA Cali, I can confirm that it's a derogatory term in these parts.

But don't take my word for it. I welcome Capitola to fly into LAX, I'll pick you up, drop you off on the corner of Rosecrans and Alameda. Let's then conduct a scientific experiment with you approaching 20 random ladies and greeting them by using that "friendly" slang. Sample size too small? Ok, let's make it 50!

I should check where the nearest emergency room to that location is tho...

Let me know when you'll arrive.

Capitola
08-07-08, 08:57
I apologize if I'm not posting stuff like "which bus gets me to GT" or other shit like "where can I find an Hotel for 30EUR per night rather than 40EUR".

I'm more demanding than that. I understand only words like "pussy, fuck and suck". You keep wasting time showign off your gentlman skills. Who cares anyway?

Returing to VV, I have to say that the lineup had improved since my other attempt to use this club. Too bad for my bad luck of finding those soccer assholes to take full advantage.

There was german blonde (bleached) calle Noel or Joel that was absolutely a solid 9. Also CIM provider for +25.

There were also two Noel's friends that would deserve mention: a brunette and an other tall blonde but for a strange reason they looked like they were not whoring that night and spend all day drinking and playing frikking videogames.

There were 2 romanians one of which probably one of the most beatiful woman I ever seen but unfortunately very cold and terrible provider. She claimed to be a model that ***** once in a while for few weeks every couple of months. And I may end to believe it because she had the looks and was a terrible performer.

First of all tried to upsell to the hour at the bar (which is a bad sign) and was continuosly using cleenex while sucking the cock. WTF?

On the contrary the second romanian (22 y. O. 1. 70, dark hair, very lightly skinned and blue eye) that instead loved to get licked and very sweet. She would literally tremble her full body under the touch of my toungue on her clit. Very beautiful and a *must* repeat.

There were 2 ukrainians (both a solid 7) a readhead that slightly recalled me the actess Minnie Driver and her bleached blonde MILF friend that we did not taste but I will do in the real future possibly in tag team.

Lastly I fucked this little brazilian spinner. Not at my par in terms of beauty but she can definitely lick my asshole and that's a major score in my book. I hoped to get her girlfriend together with her (an short haired blonde) but she was busy with one of the soccer jerkoff.

You guys keep play the nice a gentleman part using your pretty english with your cheap "godfather" do not rat rules.

I still wonder why a guy like Morientes that is absolutely handsome may need to visit a brithel while in any "normal" disco in Dusseldorf or Koln can get any chick for free. Mistery of life.

I keep considering myself an asshole that is taking advantage of my money to screw bitches that probably in normal life would not even look at me (and neither nobody of you really.)

But in the fake world of FKKs they elected suck and swallow me for a transcurable amount of cash. They could take a normal job like secretary, cleaning lady or go to school and learn a profession. But they elected to suck cocks for a living.

That make them lazy bitches and me (and you) just old and fat assholes taking advantage of their bitcheness.

Do not turn this thread a Capitola vs. Rest of the world because I can ensure you that Capitola does not give a fuck about you all. Will be back to VV. I want to spread my semen in the Ukrainian throats. Take it easy and keep it real.

Your truly

Capitola

PS: nobody translates for me. The swearing and slanging comes natural to me. I lived in LA for many (too many) years.

And I would not ever partecipate to your experiment. You obviously are so stupid to understand the point I was trying to make.

If I to to Compton and I call a black chick a "*****" I would get killed. If a black rapper goes to Compton and calls a blach chick a "*****" he would get her admiration and fuck her snorting coke from her pussy.

If I go to Konigshalle and call a ***** seen into an FKK ( and I ser a lot of them spending there during daytime....) a "*****" she would call the police.

If I go to VV or GT and call the same girl a "*****" she would laugh and immediately ask me to pay her hourly fee to allow her to demonstrate her swallowing skills in the zimmer. It is a matter of context..

Capitola
08-07-08, 09:38
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Capitola
08-07-08, 11:22
Buy any Tupac record. Or steal it from Emule.

FYI. I lived in Santa Monica many (tto many) years.

Iseeu
08-07-08, 12:24
Probably being the closest here to Compton and South Central LA Cali, I can confirm that it's a derogatory term in these parts.

But don't take my word for it. I welcome Capitola to fly into LAX, I'll pick you up, drop you off on the corner of Rosecrans and Alameda. Let's then conduct a scientific experiment with you approaching 20 random ladies and greeting them by using that "friendly" slang. Sample size too small? Ok, let's make it 50!

I should check where the nearest emergency room to that location is tho...

Let me know when you'll arrive.
...in da hood wid my bros. Seen dese 3 smokin bitches movin past our view. Know wha I'm sayin? Dey was some fine black bitches, f*ckin ahmohed persOnnel carriers, fully loaded, like dey usin ova dere in Afghanistaan n IIIIrak on dem f*ckin AAAArabbs, know wha Im sayin? man dey had sum sh*t goin, supa fine. So ma boys n me jus go, "yo bitches- wassup? Wehssome fine black bitches like uselves goin on dis fine summer day?" Dey jus stopped, threw us a damm wicked smile, know wha I'm sayin, you know, when dey go wid der eyes, "Hey boy, come on ova heh n show a sista what u hidin." so my boys and me, we rockin now, we dink we in da groove, n we get some poon real ez. Man, I need some pussy real bad, doz dammed skinny German white chix, ain got no meat, know wha I mean, jus ain doin it fo me no mo, Gotta get me sum of dat fine black pussy. Xcep, dat den de finest sista, sheet she was fine, pulls ouh a f*ckin iphone, calls her 4 f*ckin olda brodders, n ma boys n me end up bent ova gainst a wall wid our hands reachin hind our own asses, n dose mean modafuckas yellin in our ears, "who you callin bitches? Huh. Huh? Who's da ***** now?"

LOL

Dick Travel
08-07-08, 18:24
Iseeu,

Frickin awesome maaan, deep respec' innit.

DT

Ekliges Lauern
08-08-08, 04:48
...in da hood wid my bros. Seen dese 3 smokin bitches movin past our view. Know wha I'm sayin? Dey was some fine black bitches, f*ckin ahmohed persOnnel carriers, fully loaded, like dey usin ova dere in Afghanistaan n IIIIrak on dem f*ckin AAAArabbs, know wha Im sayin? man dey had sum sh*t goin, supa fine. So ma boys n me jus go, "yo bitches- wassup? Wehssome fine black bitches like uselves goin on dis fine summer day?" Dey jus stopped, threw us a damm wicked smile, know wha I'm sayin, you know, when dey go wid der eyes, "Hey boy, come on ova heh n show a sista what u hidin." so my boys and me, we rockin now, we dink we in da groove, n we get some poon real ez. Man, I need some pussy real bad, doz dammed skinny German white chix, ain got no meat, know wha I mean, jus ain doin it fo me no mo, Gotta get me sum of dat fine black pussy. Xcep, dat den de finest sista, sheet she was fine, pulls ouh a f*ckin iphone, calls her 4 f*ckin olda brodders, n ma boys n me end up bent ova gainst a wall wid our hands reachin hind our own asses, n dose mean modafuckas yellin in our ears, "who you callin bitches? Huh. Huh? Who's da ***** now?"

LOL

This I would like to see translated into German by one of our resident experts. Anyone up for the challenge?

Fkk Lover
08-08-08, 06:56
How sad is it that our vulgar friend perceive lyrics in gangsta rap as real life, or that it excuses such behavior in any setting whether it's in an FKK club or in an African-American neighborhood in the US? Context indeed...

Santa Monica ain't exactly ghetto, yo.

Sorry you won't be coming. But I'll be in Hesse in a few weeks, so be sure to refer to every gal in the club by your favorite pet name so that I know how to spot you. Either that or keep referring yourself in the 3rd person. That will work too.

Capitola
08-08-08, 09:32
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1 down, 2 to go

Will somebody please report this guy's next personal attack via the "Report this Post to a Moderator" link, and be sure to note that it will be his 2nd violation.

Thanks,

Jackson

Dedalus
08-08-08, 12:10
How sad is it that our vulgar friend perceive lyrics in gangsta rap as real life, or that it excuses such behavior in any setting whether it's in an FKK club or in an African-American neighborhood in the US? Context indeed...

Santa Monica ain't exactly ghetto, yo.



Hey Fkk Lover,

As we say back home, "That boy is one scout short of a posse."

If the boy does show up to Hessen, then I would be happy to recommend a few of the more interesting providers at any of those clubs.

Can't help but feel bad for VV, though. The photo controversy, and now they are attracting all this upscale clientele. Rough start for the place.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Capitola
08-08-08, 12:56
Dedalus

The chicks at VV were fine though. Much better than few months ago. Some fat unfuckable but at least 7-8 at GT par.

Euro100
08-08-08, 13:11
This I would like to see translated into German by one of our resident experts. Anyone up for the challenge?
Translating this into Bavarian would do it. But that's a Ph.D. in linguistics ...
(and perhaps a Hollywood movie script)

Ortos
08-08-08, 15:27
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1 down, 2 to go

Will somebody please report this guy's next personal attack via the "Report this Post to a Moderator" link, and be sure to note that it will be his 2nd violation.

Thanks,

Jackson

Damn! I missed reading Capitola's post. I would love to have read what he wrote that caused Jackson to delete it. Did anybody read it? Can you paraphrase it for me? Or Capitola, my dear friend, can you send it to me by PM, hopefully before you get completely banned from this site?

Thanks,

Ortos

Warsteiner
08-08-08, 20:46
Dedalus

The chicks at VV were fine though. Much better than few months ago. Some fat unfuckable but at least 7-8 at GT par.

Good to hear that the line up is improving. I may have to have a visit once the summer holidays are over.

Cynical
08-09-08, 15:55
I just spent a week at the Villa and tried about 20 of the girls - some multiple session worth - and with most had fabulous experiences - none of the sex factory feeling you so often get at places like GT or even to a lesser degree Artemis.

I believe the more relaxed atmosphere at the villa leads to much more of a GFE than any club I ever was at before.

My recommendations:

-Maya from Poland - great blowjob technique, stunner legs.
-Noel from Germany - absolutely 9.5 looks, very enthusiastic sex
-Sina from Germany - great body, absolutely crazy for sex.
-Lorena from Romania - great looks, a newcomer to the circuit.
-Anna from Germany - tall and Slim, pure GFE.
-Franciska from Holland - looks 10/10, great sex. Only sucks with condom though, but better at it with a condom than any I've tried without :-)
-A slovakian I can't remeber the name of, slightly older face but great body, spent a fantastic night.

I was there in the football night and had a chat with a few of the players, didn't feel that they were monopolizing any of the girls - except Noel - but they were seriously paying champagne, so there were always girls around the table, but they would provide service to mongers that approached them - excepte maybe if they started by calling them bitches.

In general this is the best club I've been as a client, and being able to sleep over (for similar price to reasonable hotels) makes it a great option for a longer mongering session. And I saw 2-3 new girls arriving every day.

For full disclosure I do photos for this club - none in public areas - but started as and still am a happy customer. I will later upload some photos to this forum.

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Capitola
08-09-08, 20:55
Damn! I missed reading Capitola's post. I would love to have read what he wrote that caused Jackson to delete it. Did anybody read it? Can you paraphrase it for me? Or Capitola, my dear friend, can you send it to me by PM, hopefully before you get completely banned from this site?

Thanks,

OrtosI was just trying to express the reasons why I decided to live in Santa Monica and not in any area at majority of African American or South Americans origins...

Of you have ever lived in LA you would understand.

That's all. Big frikking scandal!

And I'll be bacl at VV. My other visits were disappointing but the last one (a part the soccer scumbags) the lineup improved a lot.

Breadman
08-10-08, 02:48
I just spent a week at the Villa and tried about 20 of the girls - some multiple session worth - and with most had fabulous experiences - none of the sex factory feeling you so often get at places like GT or even to a lesser degree Artemis.

I believe the more relaxed atmosphere at the villa leads to much more of a GFE than any club I ever was at before.

In general this is the best club I've been as a client, and being able to sleep over (for similar price to reasonable hotels) makes it a great option for a longer mongering session. And I saw 2-3 new girls arriving every day.

For full disclosure I do photos for this club - none in public areas - but started as and still am a happy customer. I will later upload some photos to this forum.


So you work for the club and spent the entire week at this one club? Im going to hazard a guess and say your getting paid by the club...either in a fee for taking photo's...or free entry. So your review is skewed in direction of the club. Your reports on this club and any others you go to work for will always be graded on a 'curve'. Just my honest opinion being in the hobby for so many years...read almost everything. Will give you a few points though for mentioning that you work for the club.

Please don't take the above comment as saying ive totally written off VV on this next 2 week mega-screw-a-thon (no breaks being taken to 'rest' either). I plan on doing Goldentime for 5 days...but if God forbid, the girls are all sharks then I might have to do the drive to VV. So im waiting on your pictures of the girls at VV to decide if I shall visit this club....and a p.s. your flicker account is no longer active....how about directing us to your photo's.

About the girls you mentioned...can you provide a bit more info if possible...age (approx), hair, height, days they work (since you visited for a week straight, you should pretty have a good guess on weekday/weekend shifts.

Big30
08-10-08, 04:09
I just spent a week at the Villa and tried about 20 of the girls - some multiple session worth - and with most had fabulous experiences - none of the sex factory feeling you so often get at places like GT or even to a lesser degree Artemis.

I believe the more relaxed atmosphere at the villa leads to much more of a GFE than any club I ever was at before.

For full disclosure I do photos for this club - none in public areas - but started as and still am a happy customer. I will later upload some photos to this forum.



Thanks a lot for your VV report! I would say, finally a report in this topic from someone that was in VV and gives very usefull info.

I fully agree with your recommendations! The girl from Slowakia probably is Samantha, she used to work before in Happy just as her sister Jacqueline.

In VV I can also recommend: Julia (D), Sonja (RO) and Carmen (D)!

Some of the pictures Cynica took last week in VV already can be seen on the VV blog!
VV is much more relaxed than for example Gt, not to mention the Big3 Frankfurt FKK's: Oase, World and Palace.
I like the VV, last week like so many weeks, I was two times in the Villa and was very satisfied.

http://www.blog.villavertigo.de/

Kind regards,
Big30

Jackyo
08-10-08, 08:50
I believe the more relaxed atmosphere at the villa leads to much more of a GFE than any club I ever was at before.
And why are the women more inclined to delivering this here than elsewhere?

This term has a very loose definition and is maybe worthwhile writing an essay about.

Cynical
08-10-08, 18:32
You can find my flickr account at

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Had to move it because of a stupid stalker :-)

All the photos uploaded are consentual, btw. If you see some stupid comments they are from a crazy Critique group I belong to. Lorena and I were posting some pics on the critique group and laughing our asses off.

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Cynical
08-10-08, 18:40
And why are the women more inclined to delivering this here than elsewhere?

This term has a very loose definition and is maybe worthwhile writing an essay about.I couldn't agree more with you. Can't define it, you know when you get it. I can tell you a few things that kill it though:

- Talking to a girl warmly for 2 minutes, and getting a cold stare if not going to the room immediately.

- Attempts at upselling prior to the session.

- Etc.

Why is the Villa Vertigo more likely to lead to GFE? Well, you know sharks need a lot of client movement, as they can't play their trick twice, so they avoid the Villa (at least for now) as it has a much higher client return rate and a more relaxed atmosphere where clients hang out for hours and talk to each other a lot :-)

Not having the Sharks around, management tends to have to get girls new to the fkk circuit - I've met at least 4 that were at the Villa doing their first SP day - and these tend to if treated right give you a much better experience,

This is just a personal opinion, I also hangout a lot at OASE and Artemis and enjoy it in a different way. Before this week at the Villa I spent an overnight at Artemis and had a Great time.

Cynical
08-10-08, 18:47
So you work for the club and spent the entire week at this one club? Im going to hazard a guess and say your getting paid by the club...either in a fee for taking photo's...or free entry. So your review is skewed in direction of the club. Your reports on this club and any others you go to work for will always be graded on a 'curve'. Just my honest opinion being in the hobby for so many years...read almost everything. Will give you a few points though for mentioning that you work for the club.Thanks for the cookie points :-)

Indeed my opinion is skewed, more because I would never have the patience to spend seven days at a club if I had nothing to do except shagging than because of what I may earn. My integrity is for sale but that takes a few more zeros on the right :-)

Of course being such a regular may lead to getting a bit better service, but that is true at any club that I know.

Cynical
08-10-08, 19:17
In VV I can also recommend: Julia (D), Sonja (RO) and Carmen (D)!

Big30Julia was a great model to photograph but I never did a Session with her, so will have to trust you on her other qualities.

Sonja is unbelievable, with a waist like a wasp and the prettiest green eyes. Had a great session with her.

Carmen is a Legend. I haven't been with her yet but a couple of regulars have told me that she is a class A ninfomaniac. She usually arrives towards the evening, as she has a day job, by which time I've always thought "better tomorrow, as I am too tired for a women like her today".

I attach some photos of Sonja and Julia, unfortunately never got to photograph Carmen.

Cynical
08-10-08, 19:32
I attach some photos as promised:



My recommendations:

-Maya from Poland - great blowjob technique, stunner legs.
-Noel from Germany - absolutely 9.5 looks, very enthusiastic sex
-Sina from Germany - great body, absolutely crazy for sex.
-Lorena from Romania - great looks, a newcomer to the circuit.
-Anna from Germany - tall and Slim, pure GFE.
-Franciska from Holland - looks 10/10, great sex. Only sucks with condom though, but better at it with a condom than any I've tried without :-)
-A slovakian I can't remember the name of, slightly older face but great body, spent a fantastic night.

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Basketcase
08-10-08, 19:33
And why are the women more inclined to delivering this here than elsewhere?

This term has a very loose definition and is maybe worthwhile writing an essay about.

Hello Jackyo,

I get the same feeling that VV is more conducive to GFE. I see girls wait around all day not inviting anyone else for sessions but when their man turns up they spend hours and hours canoodling with them throughout the grounds and building to the exclusion of all others.

I have no idea if the girls are charging for all this time but if they are they are raking in the cash for just hugging interwined and the odd peck. If the girls are only charing for the 30 minutes in the room and not the 2-3 hours prior warming the guest up in the common areas then she is not earning that much. But then again over a 12 hour shift doing say 3-5 customers is still €150 to €250 gross if only the minimum €50 session is taken. Then take off travel and entritt fee and you have a fairly decent living I think for going with guys that they genuinely like being with and could consider to be friends or boyfriends (even if they can be 2-3 times their age).

One of my usual crew members has a real preference for VV because of this GFE vibe. You can spend ages having a chat and drinks and a cuddle with your girl before going to the room and this appears to be standard practice at VV from what I see.

At some of the other clubs I frequent it is pretty much a minute or less idle chat with the girl that has approached you and if you are not taking the bait then it is off to the next punter that is a potential customer for the night. Even with girls where you have been the one asking they sense that you are wanting a session and do not prolong the idle pre-session banter and ask zimmer or kino? Oder?

I know that this puts me at a disadvantage as I am a transactional type of guy going for 30 minutes sessions in the main. I see what I like and ask the girl or try to tactically position myself so that I am approached by my target girl of my desire. This practice does not work at clubs like VV where girls do not approach you and when you approach girls at places like VV sometimes approaching the girls gets you no way as she has not chosen you.

So not entirely agreeing with our colleague Cynical I understand what he is saying about VV. It seems that kind of place if you click with the right clique. If not then you are a square peg.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase