2003 Thai Women - Opinions & Advice [Archive] - Page 2

JuiceSpike

04-26-03, 02:57

Here is an interesting and somewhat funny article I recently read. It is interesting because Thailand has a high and mysterious number of Farang deaths and dissapereances. It is a bit funny not because the Sweede died but because of the circumstances surrounding his death.

25-04-03

Swede falls to his death from Pattaya condo

Intoxicated Swedish resident accidentally falls to his death

PATTAYA: Sixty one year old Swedish national Lennart Bror Torstad was found dead on the ground floor parking lot of Rung Fa Condominium after he accidentally fell from the 8th floor through the kitchen window.

The deceased’s girlfriend, Buasri Youngchanin, aged 32, told police that they had been living together for about 6 months and had recently moved in the condominium. Buasri said Lennart was scheduled to return to Sweden on April 19th. She said Lennart was a nice and charming man but on the night of the accident he drank so much alcohol he could barely control himself.

Buasri also said Lennart watched TV alone in the room before she fell asleep. When she woke up and did not see Lennart in the living room she went to check in the kitchen. She said she was in deep shock when she saw the kitchen window was broken and Lennart was lying in the parking lot.

Buasri told police that perhaps Lennart tried to get to the refrigerator for some water in the kitchen but unfortunately slipped out of the glass window, since the window was installed in a risky position.

Lennart Torstad’s body was transferred to the forensic department for a post mortem examination.

Source: Pattaya Mail 2003-04-25

Note: The girlfriend was asleep when it all hapenned... I wonder how this guy managed to fall out of a kitchen window on his own... I also find her description of what "might" have happen comical and absurd, especially how she described the "risky" location of the window.... I wonder if the condo was under her name.... You gotta love Thailand....

juice.

Seydlitz

04-26-03, 12:46

juicespike;

Thai ladies do not kill their boyfriends more often than other women elsewhere in the world.

When one does it, it is often during a fight, or she hires hitmen to do it for her (a relatively affordable luxury in Thailand). The reason is usually to punish the boyfriend who has been cheating on her (a very serious risk of that happening in Thailand with so many available women all around).

In the case of your Swedish guy, if the condo was under her name, the lady did not need to kill him to get it. She could just kick him out on the spot, as it happens quite often to gullible Farangs.

And if the condo was his property (or rather owned by a company controlled by him), she had nothing to gain from snuffing him either.

It could well have been an accident after all...

Joe Zop

04-26-03, 17:44

Wouldn't be the first time someone had an accident while drunk on their ass -- and he sure wouldn't be the first drunk to go through a window. If the window's not in a spot that was easy enough for him to fall through it's hard to picture a TG hoisting a really drunk guy up enough to get him through.

JuiceSpike

04-26-03, 19:45

Yeah, it would not be the first time someone died from being drunk... and go through a window... I know that, I just found the circumstances interesting... is not that hard to picture someone pushing a drunk person (no matter what size), through a window, balcony, sidewalk, etc....my comments are speculative not facts.... What is a fact in Thailnad is a number of questionable deaths of Farangs that many go unresolved and/or not investigated by Thai police.... do a serach on the Bangkok Post...

juice.

Seydlitz

04-26-03, 20:13

juicespike;

you are right: quite a few Farangs die in Thailand, and the police does not seem to care all that much.

It may mean two things:

1. Farangs are only tolerated in Thailand. Thai officialdom does not care much about Farangs, especially the not-too-well-off variety, that does not yield much squeeze money.

2. Some Farangs behave in a way that alienates the Thai population, or the Thai people they interact with, especially in the "underworld".

While most Farangs are regular tourists visiting the Kingdom for a short period of time, and quite willing to part with hard currency as they go, a smaller portion of the Farang contingent is made of the losers and leftovers of our own societies.

If those people behave in an offensive way in their own country, they might have to deal with the police, social workers etc.

In Thailand, they might meet their maker after a brief and violent encounter with thugs hired by people they crossed or offended.

It is my understanding that most Farang deaths, with the exception of traffic accidents etc. , happen to people who deserved it in the first place. Besides, the Western embassies do not seem to go much out of their way to deal with those either. That must mean something.

Freeler

04-26-03, 21:19

Seydlitz,

'It is my understanding that most Farang deaths, with the exception of traffic accidents etc. , happen to people who deserved it in the first place.'

Deserved to die???:(

PurpleNGold

04-26-03, 22:06

I remember when I was researching for my trip to LOS, I had read that Thailand had the highest rate of castration in the world. Guess a scorned TG likes to do something a little more painful than knockin' a drunk guy out the window :)

JuiceSpike

04-26-03, 22:57

Seydlizt,

You wrote:

"It is my understanding that most Farang deaths, with the exception of traffic accidents etc. , happen to people who deserved it in the first place. Besides, the Western embassies do not seem to go much out of their way to deal with those either. That must mean something..."

How can you claim that those unlucky souls deserved it? Okay. Not a strong argument as to why there are many deaths of Farangs not investigated.... And it is not true that Western embassies do not inquire with the Thai government about this. On the contrary, there is pressure from different countries about not only on those mysterious deaths of Farangs but also of the current rampage of suspected Thai drug dealers being shot on a daily basis by police without an investigation as to why they got shot and killed.... Search the Bangkok Post for this.

You wrote:

"While most Farangs are regular tourists visiting the Kingdom for a short period of time, and quite willing to part with hard currency as they go, a smaller portion of the Farang contingent is made of the losers and leftovers of our own societies".

Well, I don't know what you mean by loosers and leftovers but I have witness all kinds of Farangs in Thailand getting into trouble. Mostly has to do with Thai girls. No surprise here. In fact, it is the most wealthy guys that end up getting into trouble with Thais on "women" related issues.... such as: not knowing what they were doing and then seeing their money, business, or properties evaporate.... Not to mention an ego blow and emotional distress.

There is more than meets the eye going on in Thailand. It is not a conspiracy against Farangs. Thailand has the biggest sex scene in the world and it is not only with prostitutes selling outright their goods. In Thailand the "no money, no honey" thing goes beyond the prostitution scene and it also plays a big role in Thai culture as well.

In my opinion, the Thai woman is the most opportunist woman I have ever met when it comes to money. They will go to extremes to get it from a guy. Sometimes it is comical and sometimes it's pathetic. And I'm not talking about hookers. I'm talking about the professional types, the educated types, mostly the newer generation, the ones that are moving away from traditional Thai norms and values and seek men on the basis of income and future prospects in a much less obvious way than an American or European woman would. They are greedy.

juice.

Seydlitz

04-27-03, 13:41

oops...

Upon re-reading my own posts, I realize that I have been a bit elliptical. Of course, nobody deserves to die a violent death.

What I meant is that quite a few Farangs get themselves into trouble by behaving in the wrong way (drug dealing, shady deals, etc.). The problem is that in Thailand, trouble can have fatal consequences much faster than most people seem to realize.

There is a lot of potential violence in the Thai society, behing the smiles and Bhuddist ethic. Many Farangs do not have a realistic appreciation of their relatively vulnerable position in Thailand. This is especially the case for those living for longer periods of time in LOS, much less so with tourists and permanent residents.

As for western embassies, I had conversations with diplomatic staff of several countries over the years. Many resent having to deal with the mess left by their countrymen and consider them as a disgrace and a public embarassment.

My advice is: do not count on your embassy to get you out of the trouble you created for yourself.

Joe Zop

04-27-03, 15:27

I agree with Seydlitz on a lot of what he's posted. I'd agree that there are a fair number of farangs in LOS who in many ways make their own trouble, though there are obviously far more who do not. Losers and leftovers? Hmm, I don't know that I'd put it that way, but I don't think it's completely off base. Let's face it, someone who decides to leave their own country and live somewhere else is far less likely to be someone of high social station or connection, as they would then be giving up position, social structure, etc. Some people will do that, obviously, but it's easier for someone who basically feels out of place in their own society to decide to try their luck in another. Someone who's thinking with their dick about where to live isn't necessarily thinking like a rocket scientist (says a guy who'd happily relocate to LOS for a while :)) let alone likely to be one.

In terms of some of his other points, I've met ex-pats whose clear contempt for Thais and Thai society, rules, and methods just oozes out of them. That's obviously not going to be met with overwhelming gratitude by Thais (and a sense that the Thais should somehow be grateful for farang currency and civilization is another thing that often comes through.)

The vast majority don't act this way, needless to say. But I do know of at least a couple dead Farangs who had clear activities in the drug trade. I won't say they were killed because of that, but it did mean they hung with a less savory and forgiving crowd. There's a percentage of ex-pats in LOS who will scrabble around in lots of ways for money, which is difficult since they may or may not be able to work legitimately, and they can get in trouble that way.

The average visitor and ex-pat in Thailand is male, and men generally have a higher likelihood everywhere of dying violently than do women. I don't think a lack of motivation by Thai police to investigate is all that surprising -- there's no family involved to help push the process along, no community to answer to, etc., and it's more difficult to get a sense of the life and movements of the victim. Think about it -- it would be extremely difficult to closely track the movements of the vast majority of us who were visiting, say, Pattaya. It would be a major pain, given the number of options, simply to try to accurately track down where someone went bar-hopping so you could figure out how they might have gotten in trouble, where they might have met the person responsible for their death (presuming that was even an obvious situation) and so forth. If the farang happens to be like lots of guys here who look for places to stay that don't check or take IDs, then there's no record of who a woman involved might have been. If you're talking about a resident of a condo, where no one's tracking the comings and goings, then that's even more the case.

This is not even to mention that in many cases the Thai police will go out of their way to not have to deal with the English language, which also adds another layer of difficulty to the process. Or the ability of people to bribe their way out of trouble, which adds another. It's not as though the Thai police force is exactly renowned for their efficiency and accuracy.

It's not like most visitors have anything to worry about, really.

Philo

04-27-03, 16:42

After continously heavy drinking and smoking (not sigarettes) since thursday night due to an emotionally fucked up state of mind, I am now drying up for tomorrows work.....

I hereby apologize for whatever shit I have posted. This to everybody - and especially to joe_zop and Freeler ...

ph

Freeler

04-27-03, 16:52

Seydlitz,

Of course I understood where you were coming from and what you meant to say. And I fully appreciate that point of view and agree 100%.
I've been giving out warnings on relocating to Thailand for some time, simply because Thailand is not what it appears to be at first glance.
During my first visit to the Kingdom I had the 'luck' to run into some expats who could barely make a living, who had no insurance of any kind and nothing to go back to. Not that they burned their bridges; they simply had nothing to go back to, period.
They will do anything to save a Baht: not see a doctor when they are ill, not get a visa in time etc.
Only one of the expats I met back then still has a business that at least appears to be doing well. The rest have all given up and went home or died. And they didn't die of old age...
And don't get me started on this LP-peoples' myth that life in the tropics is like living in paradise.

Needless to say that I dito every word Joe-zop wrote below.

Everyone who plans to stay in a place like Pattaya for any length of time r-e-a-l-l-y should read the PattayaMail on a weekly basis. A new issue is available on the internet every Friday Thai time.
http://www.pattayamail.com/current/news.shtml

Philo,

Why apologize for asking questions and giving opinions? There is always some info in it and all who r-e-a-d can benefit.

On a different note:
This advice from a BBC travel show this morning on tagging your luggage: We all know that it is pretty stupid to have your name and address on your luggage tags. Anybody can see which house to break into, or at your destination people can pretend they know you - the main stain on any stay in Indonesia, SriLanka...
Instead: Use the address of your place of work!
You know who to call when luggage goes missing and they know you.

Joe Zop

04-27-03, 18:01

Let me also note that I also met a fair number of people who have lived in Thailand for a fairly long time (more than a decade) and who are generally quite happy with the whole situation. With two exceptions they are people who have jobs with organizations exernal to Thailand, so they have a steady income that, while low compared to what they might make elsewhere, is quite substantial for being in LOS. The two exceptions are one person who runs a lucrative travel service for the well-heeled and a guy who inherited enough money that he doesn't need to worry much (though he does do a bit of teaching partly for the income and partly to occupy himself.) Most of these folks were at least solidly into the middle class range, had some sort of family with them (either farang or Thai) and were connected into the ex-pat social structure that has nothing to do with the bar scene, (though a number were habitues) dealing instead with, say, lectures at the Alliance Francaise or University, the charity events, knowing socially the consulate staff, etc. During my time in Chiang Mai it was very clear both how easy it would be to get synced into that structure (because I knew people in it already and I could bring things of interest to the table) and I in fact got a fair amount of encouragement from people to figure out how to stay and be part of it. These folks don't exhibit the negative behaviors and attitudes Freeler describes -- probably because they have a comfortable social construct and place. Most have a fairly healthy bemusement (and occasional anger and frustration) with things. (I recently got a long missive from one of them describing a wasted day in a visa office being screwed over by a pompous Thai official who took great pleasure in making them wait for hours. The reaction from the guy who sent it, however, was to talk not about how Thais suck but about how much bureaucracy is the same everywhere.) All of these folks are also quite aware that their existence can change at absolutely any point based on shifts of policy toward farangs by the Thai government, and have what I would consider a healthy degree of fatalism about their positions there.

I've also met several retirees who are doing great, as their retirement incomes keep them in better stead in Thailand than they would as, with one guy, in the SF Bay area -- his money obviously goes a heck of a lot further in LOS. All of these are people who, unlike the ones Freeler mentions, have the means and options to leave if they so desired.

It's the people who try to come in and make it there on the ground who have troubles, as the system is absolutely stacked against farangs managing to do that.

And Philo, hey, everyone gets that way at times. I continue to look forward to your posts.

JuiceSpike

04-27-03, 19:07

joe....

that was good one.

juice

Skinless

04-28-03, 00:53

Hello. My name is John Skinless. I am planning a trip to LOS, maybe September and I have some questions and queries. I want to hole up in cheap places with a large supply of filthy minded whares who will do my bidding for an amount of baht. I have some places in mind such as Buriram (3 days) and Korat (7 -10 days). Often, however, I find my perversions mean I have to leave town in a hurry if I do not want to leave in a box. Here are my questions:
1 if I go with a cheap 200 bt short term bonk machine lady, what is the chance of getting robbed if I fall asleep/ go long term.
2. If they short term for 200 bt, what is the optimal amount to spend to get most bang for buck?

Philo

04-28-03, 16:43

Skinnless

1. 100%

2. If you have diminishing marginal pleasure in the number of fucks your optimal expenditure C is given by:

C = SquareRoot((20Y*.2634-5X**.5)/(2.2719Z-1))

where X is your coital factor, Y the LBFM quality coeffisient and Z is the average inverse boom boom number for Korat :D

Philo

04-28-03, 16:58

Gentlemen

I have today handed over my letter of resignation. When the faculty decanus (dean) - who wouldn't believe I was serious - after a lot of explanations still couldn't believe me, I told him I have been offered a nonrefusable position at the classified UM (United Mongers for your info) LT-LBFM empirical research center....... :confused:

Joe Zop

04-28-03, 19:52

Well, good luck! Have you actually taken a look at any of the immigration issues for LOS, or are you just kind of navigating by dead reckoning?

Philo

04-28-03, 20:18

Thanks joe_zop

I will not be the first to do visa runs (europeans have stayed in Asia since Marco Polo and hundreds (or may be thousands) of americans have lived there since the 50-70'ies).

I will not move money to LOS or buy property or business. I'll just be a LT ATM-using tourist and keep my old panhead, my canoo and my old small summer-home-car back home. If I should want to work there I have no doubt I will find something on ajarn.com, The Nation's web edition or in Bangkok Post's classifieds. (I've been scrutinizing them all for months). I will thereby also get a long time work permit, visa and insurance.

I cannot - because of tutoring obligations - leave permanently before end of 03. The remaing time I will use for a few LT trips and some more research.

And if I loose big-time (and is still alive) I can always go back home to have a new job similar to the one I am now leaving......

Freeler

04-28-03, 20:31

Skinless,

1 Your personal rob-rate will be 0%. You know you are perfectly safe up there.
2 Push for B150 ST's. A LT is not likely to be under B500. If you plan to bonk 4+ times a night my math adds up to LT. If you think you can only handle 3 times or less, ST is the way to go.

PS Why not join me on my July Tour. We could establish our
'peckering' order once and for all:D!

Philo,

'I will not move money to LOS or buy property or business.'
Good thinking!

Dick Johnson

04-28-03, 20:37

Good luck:) philo. I know of a few guys contemplating that(I will definitely not say who, so don't ask, it's confidential stuff).

Keep us posted:).

The Skinless and Freeler tour.. I can only imagine :D

Philo

04-28-03, 20:38

.... and, by the way joe_zop, if you think it is such a big issue to quasi-relocate to Thailand, you should read (at least the introduction of) the book 'Bangkok' written by an american university teacher named Warren (I have forgotten his first name - you will find him) who have stayed there for 40 years.

Forget the pussy - for me it's like Lao and Thai people are the most beautiful people I ever saw: I can never forget or stop missing their eyes.

A sucker, a fool - yes - but a happy one ......... (and please do not tell me the feeling may disappear - I know)

ph

Philo

04-28-03, 21:16

thanks dick johnson

tell them to read (the american) book 'the big mango' or at least this little part of it (the author khun jake must have it in his blood and i like it):

"everyone he knew daydreamed about trading in their old life for a new one. everyone said that some day they would really do it. now eddie's (the hero, my comment) someday had walked right up to the door and knocked. he was staring straight into a gaping exit hole from the rep001tered debris of his life, and an unshakeable conviction had taken control of him. he had (originally in cursive, my comment) to crawl through that hole."

if you feel like this - and love the smiling (even if it is a killing smile - hehe) eyes of the people of los - i cannot think of one valid reason not to do it .........

Joe Zop

04-28-03, 21:22

Oh, hey, don't get me wrong -- I'm not arguing against anyone relocating anywhere. I think, if fact, it's generally one of the smartest things people can do, as it creates educated world citizens. I'd happily relocate in any number of countries I've visited, Thailand included, for a few years, and may well do so at some point in the future. Mine was simply an innocent query, mostly since your discussion and execution of this plan appears, from the flawed perspective of someone who only knows what you're up to based on what you post on this board, to be fairly sudden. It's great that you've been doing research and preparing for things for a while, and your approach sounds sensible. As I said earlier in this thread, I know several people who have lived quite happily and successfully in LOS for a long time.

And being a happy fool usually beats hell out of being an unhappy wise man, IMHO. The trick is always managing not to go from the former to the latter! :D

Philo

04-28-03, 21:27

don't you worry

good man joe_zop

I'll go from the latter to the former ........

Joe Zop

04-28-03, 22:08

Now that's the zenith of noble ambition!

Skinless

04-28-03, 22:38

Freeler:July is out, no chance. September might be out too unless I can shake this nympho off. Girls like that are easy to get into bed and hard to get out of it. I like to fall asleep with women but I like to wake up with wallet etc intact. For what I want to do, it entails being holed up in a room with a stready supply of cheap females comig to visit me for varying amounts of time. The money is not the major factor but I prefer this side of the pool. Last time, even little Lek short changed me. It shakes my faith in TGs.

Philo: I hope you are going to something and not from something. It appears to me like the latter. You don't seem to have any firm plans. There are lots of guys there teaching English etc. Maybe put a cap on it and if it is not working out, go home.

PosterLion

04-29-03, 01:00

Hey Guys,

I've been getting a lot of emails lately and I thought it might be good to post them in the Thai Women - Opinions & Advice section.

Anyone that wants to jump on and flame me with comments about my ego has the right to do so, feel free if you wish. Just remember your reasons when you do.

These are actual email letters from a non-working girl. We mostly speak of bar girls and freelancers on here so I thought it would be nice for everyone to hear the words of a Thai women (23) and maybe get a small sense of how the women in Thailand really think.

I feel a little shitty about posting these but it's in the name (guise) of education for all those that thirst for an understanding of how a Thai girl might think. That said, these emails are just down below...

DJ, Ain't keeping a secret a bummer. Sometimes it better not to hear them because everyone likes to talk. Good man for keeping quiet!

Joe_Zop, Your bantor with RN has been very entertaining. Your Sartre-ian remarks caused me to write a piece the other day. I was thinking about posting it in the Morality Section. You should read "Notes from the Underground" if you like Sartre. It is a book he studied quite a lot I think.

The Emails:

A beautiful face
with a sensitive mind,
sound like someone I know
someone I saw in the mirror.
But this time...
I didn't mean her...it's him
and there he is...
sit on the street...flick the cigarette with the eyes of sorrow.
look up to the sky and think...
Seem like he never be able to stop thinking.
Just like her...
I fell in love,,,
wondered if I fell in love with her or him...

===

Dear beautiful.
I come on-line at the afternoon time...guess you might be sleeping and I
don't want to wake you up by send message to your pager.
Thanks for beautiful swirl my dear.
I got a fever again yesterday...but feeling better now.
How are you doing?

Love,

Me

===

My beautiful,

I come on-line late today...maybe about your lunch time...
It's 4am now...I just finish my diary for a while,
I like the poem that you wrote...make me missed the time that we play
pool together.
Is it for me ? The poem I mean...

Miss you,

Yours

===

Happy easter to you too,

Sorry for didn't answer the phone yesterday...I went to Hard rock cafe
with my friend so I didn't hear the phone ringing.
Today sombody give me the emergency tanslation job that I will have to
make it done in one night.
So...I can't be on-line for chat...
Hope everything going well with you tho..
I'm looking forward to see you in BKK soon,

Love,

===

Dear Beautiful...

I stayed home all day yesterday and reading this book "Shanghai baby"
http://www.dixon-spain.co.uk/shanghaibaby/interview/books.htm
check out this site and you will know what's it about...
I think you will like it tho.. something that she wrote about shanghai
reminds me of Bangkok in my sight a lot..
I read it in Thai version.. I think it's not too difficult to find the
English version in Dallas..

How are you?

I think I won't be on-line for long time..

Keeping on my writing.....

Love,

===

Well that's it.

Good luck Philo! Be sure and post how the Border Runs go! I'd be interested in knowing the best places to do this at. Maybe I'll even move there someday! :)

Norok!
poster...

P.S. Anyone know of a good brothel in Krakow? I have to go there May 31st for a wedding. Damn that's gonna be sad. It's the girl getting married that I know. I ain't gonna like her becoming all unavailable! So...

Where can I get laid in Krakow?

Sorry to ask this on a Thai board!

JuiceSpike

04-29-03, 01:30

PosterLion,

I have a few questions for you before I comment on your girl's emails:

1. Are you sending her money (don't lie)?
2. How many times have you been to Thailand?
3. Is she going to school and/or working "normal" job? If working, do you know her office number or the name of the business where she works at?
4. Have you ever been to the Hard Rock Cafe? If so, do you think that 85% of the women that go there
are hookers?
5. Are you 110% sure she is not a "hooker" or a free-lancer (I dont mean to bust your balls with this one...)

Thanks.

juice.

PosterLion

04-29-03, 01:54

Answers for Juice,

1. Are you sending her money (don't lie)?

Nope. That I am sure of. I met her on ICQ. She is "Daddy's girl" in my 4-10-03 post on the Bangkok forum.

2. How many times have you been to Thailand?

three times

3. Is she going to school and/or working "normal" job? If working,
do you know her office number or the name of the business where she works?

She doesn't work (except for the translation job she mentioned in her mails) she's, "Daddy's girl". She told me way upfront that she is a Spoiled child. She never met her dad. Her Mom gave her to her Dad Mom (Grandma) and she gave her to a middle class family in Phrae. I don't know if this story is true, I just know it is what she told me.

4. Have you ever been to the Hard Rock Cafe? If so, do you think that 80% of the women that go there are hookers?

I went to the hard rock with her from Siam Center to buy a t-shirt for my sister. I asked her if she could take me there for that reason. I was only there long enough to buy the shirt so I can't comment on whether the girls are/are-not freelancers. After that we went to Khoasan Road. Two hours later she asked me if I would take her to my hotel to talk. I bought her: Two bowls of noodles, a room service lunch, three games of pool, and a couple coffees. She bought me some asprin and paid for me to check my emails.

Thanks.

juice.

Now go on and add whatever else is necessary and also, Thanks too.

poster...

P.S. I don't know how to italicize or use quotes. I hope these replies are understandable.

PosterLion

04-29-03, 02:05

Juice,

She did go to University. She studied Drama. Hmmm, now that you mention it, she may have charged for the money before. I would not put that past her. I wouldn't put it past me either. Anyhow, the reason I think she may have sold herself before is because of a song she sang to me acappella. The lyrics follow. So I don't know what to answer for sure. She's done some hard times I think. I always find myself with women like this.

The song:

I'VE NEVER BEEN TO ME

Hey lady...you lady...cursing at your life
You are discontended mother
and a regimmented wife
I no doubt you dream about
the things you never do
but I wish someone had talk to me
like I wanna talk to you

I've been to Geogia and California
and anywhere I could run
took the hand of a pleasure man
and we made love in the sun.
But I ran out of places and friendly faces
because I have to be free.
I've been to paradise but I 've never been to me

Please lady...please..lady...don't just walk away
cause I have this need to tell you
why I'm all alone today
I can see so much of me
still living in your eyes
won't you share a part of a weary heart
that has live a million lies

I've been to Neice and the isle of Greece
while I sip champage on'y yatch
I move like hallow in Monti-Carlo
and show them what I've got
I've been undressed by king and I've seen something
that a woman ain't suppose to see
I've been to paradise but I've never been to me

(spoken in a normal voice)

Hey...you know what paradise is...it's a lie
a fantasy we created about people and places
that we'd them to be
But you know what the true is
It's that a little baby you holding
and it's that man you fough with this morning
the same one you going to make love with tonight
That's truth, that's love.

(continue singing voice)

Sometime I've been to crying for unborn children
that might had made me complete
but I...I took the sweet life I never knew
I'd be bitter from the sweet
I spend my life exploring the subtle whoring
and it cost too much to be free
I've been to paradise
But....I've never been to me

Well I have to admit it. That was one fine rush! Ego is falling through the clouds... :/ probably not a good thing.

JuiceSpike

04-29-03, 03:45

.....

JuiceSpike

04-29-03, 03:52

PosterLion,

Thanks for the reply. Let me first say that I'm a CYNIC. Second, I do not mean to judge you or your friend with any of my comments and/or opinions.

You wrote about her....

"She doesn't work (except for the translation job she mentioned in her mails) she's, "Daddy's girl". She told me way upfront that she is a Spoiled child. She never met her dad. Her Mom gave her to her Dad Mom (Grandma) and she gave her to a middle class family in Phrae. I don't know if this story is true, I just know it is what she told me."

Question for you:

Who is her daddy? You say that she never met her daddy yet she is being supported by her daddy? Hmm. When you say that she was given by her mom to a grandma and that grandma gave her to a middle class family in Phrae, well, this sounds a bit weird. Don't you think? Does "gave" means "sold" to another party? Do you know if this is what she is talking about?

There is such thing in Thailand as girls being sold to whomever for whatever reasons and I'm not sure if this is ever being looked into by the government or other agencies as being criminal. But it is Thailand where a lot things are done in a very different way than in the west.

A little story. Last year I went to the home town of an ex bar girl (as friends) to visit her mom and niece. Her niece was only 16 at the time and my friend's sister (she has a legit job in Bkk in a radio station) could not have babies with her Brit boyfriend. Well, her sister wanted to rent the 16 year old girl to carry he baby. I was for a short time involved on the price negotiation for having this girl do this. My friend was the one to negotiate the deal with her sister because she had practically raised this girl. The opening price for ten months of this girl's time was 1/2 million baht. Then it went down to 350,000 baht. Then down to 200,000 baht. At this point, I suggested to everybody why not wait until the girl turned 18 because she made it clear that she did not want to have a baby for someone else. After I left her hometown, my friend told me that her sister was going to put an ad in the paper in Bkk to find an 18 year old girl to do it. Well, an uncle of the family got word of this pregnancy deal and bought the girl from my friends' mom (the deal was done without my friend's knowledge). I was also told that the girl, now 17 years old, is working in Pattaya... Strange but true.

I have been to the Hard Rock Cafe in Bangkok several times. I have never seen or talked to a girl there that was not intersted in cash for sex although it was a subtle thing. They made sure that you would NEVER think she was a hooker. The girls there are much more sophisticated (with real jobs) than your typical bar girl or street walker but all the ones I have met there were either freelancing or looking for a Farang (with money) to take care of them. I asked some of the girls if they found a guy would they care what he looked like and they all told me that if he had a good heart (money) it was ok with them...

And that song you mentioned:

"Sometime I've been to crying for unborn children
that might had made me complete
but I...I took the sweet life I never knew
I'd be bitter from the sweet
I spend my life exploring the subtle whoring
and it cost too much to be free
I've been to paradise
But....I've never been to me..."

Not so subtle lyrics.

juice.

PosterLion

04-29-03, 03:57

Juice,

I'm with ya on the cynical side. All I'm saying is she's never asked me for anything yet. Now... We're talking about one whole month here. And hey, I'm not even saying I wanna be with her but I will admit that I think, wow, I oughta like this girl a little, if not a lot. simply because she has done the things she has done.

Skeptically speaking,
wouldn't it be nice to BELIEVE?
poster...

Philo

04-29-03, 07:41

to BElieve or not to BElieve...

posterlion,

If you read my Phuket post you will se that I am aware of the facts that my girl (20 yo FL) already has lied to me several times, and that she was 'Miss you to mut, darling'-ing one of her boyfriends on the phone while in my bed.

Besides she's lazy, wants gold to much, sits like a child in front of stupid Thai soapys (when she's not sleeping) and gets angry if I say we eat on the street today (trying to save some Bahts).

And - of course - she could be with som farang now ....

Couldn't care less: She shall (without knowing it) assist me in learning something very important to me - and if she gets to nasty - I'll kick her out with 10000 Baht, leave Phuket, dig up her successor and head for Chiang Mai .......

Freeler

04-29-03, 12:27

Philo,

Good luck in the Kingdom!
Just keep your head firmly on your shoulders.
And for Christ's sake: Don't work!
Don't forget to go home when you should...

Freeler

Skinless

04-29-03, 13:01

FREELER; WHAT ABOUT ME? Should I have not luck in the Kingdom too? I certainly think so. All I need is a few good whares who will help me fuck my demons. Korat is my main target (but I won't work, only in the bed). I am now plotting my itinerary for the next few trips. I am reading about Myanmar (LP) where "Prostitution is rife" (OMG). I have to fuck more of them, a lot more.

I feel many of our friends here are not like you and Samas Aran aka Mr Korat Park, our Korean friend. Their feet are not firmly on the ground. Too much philosophy 101.
I see our good friend Mr Zop will be the first one to reach 1000 posts.
Peace and prostitutes to all.

Freeler

04-29-03, 13:50

Skinless,

Well, you NEED all the luck you can get:D!
Korat is a big target, even without any luck at all, you won't miss it.
I did several things 1,000 times or more, but I don't remember being very happy about any of them.
I'm sure Mr. Zop, our mutual virgin friend, won't be too thrilled either when reaching the mark!

Philo

04-29-03, 14:16

Thanks Freeler,

I will not work. The first year or ten I'll do nothing else than staining sheets in order to keep the cleaning ladies in work :D

Joe Zop

04-29-03, 18:56

Skinless -- you know perfectly well that Freeler, and perhaps you, would have easily beaten me to quad posting digits had you not deleted all your posts and hibernated for a while. Only wish they were dollars as then I'd look to accumulate still more to help finance my next trip!

Freeler

04-29-03, 20:59

Joe_zop,

After some recent one-lining you're back to your long rows of words that have more than one syllable.
Too difficult for me:(.
I wouldn't write:
'Only wish they were dollars as then I'd look to accumulate still more to help finance my next trip!',
but
'SEND CASH!'
instead.

PS Your #1,000 could be the Thailand section's #5,000...

Philo

04-29-03, 21:23

Freeler and joe_zop......

This is what your (and my) cash talking adds up to:

What is the the difference between a farang and a TG?

There is no (money)difference.

They both want to retain the cash they already have, and gain as much (more) of it as they can in the shortest possible time ......

Sounds reasonable to me - I will try to implement it.

ph

Skinless

04-30-03, 00:59

Dear Mr Zop: YOu go ahead and be the lucky 1,000 winner. Jackson has a big surprise (A LE sting maybe).
I still say there is a lot to be said for the aproach of Z-elada and Freeler. Different but the same. Drive carefully. Some people here seem programmed to drive for destruction. Me: I will hole up in a hotel during the rainy season and fuck myself to oblivion. If we regard these women as anything more than pay for play, alrm bells should sound. Korat Park or the brothels of Bangkok are not the place where lover stories begin. Beach Road Pattaya has a pretty setting too but it ain't real. You won't keep those hookers down on the farm now that they've seen gay Paree (or Boyztown)

PosterLion

04-30-03, 01:13

SA,

Hey man thanks for your condolences. I am honored of course. But get real, everyone on this board is a statistic, me first me first.

But that's okay, statistics are for interpretation. Wanna be a mad scientist? "Naw, I'll just calculate some statistics, vamanos!" (2+2=4)

I love listening to all the assumptions, I'm keeping statistics on them, not... :)

Look, I'll buy into your, "I'm gonna be another statistic thing." Just tell me some information on the border run. Okay???
(Philo, are you listening?)

Now...

Some fresh emails from another young Thai: (known her two years now)

===

Hello Mr. POsterlion,

its me Pis. I hope u will still rememeber me. Long time no see , i hope that everything is fine over there.. I dont see u online so often on icq . u might be busy with yr work but i really wanna talk to u like before... Anyway i have to thank you very much for all yr poem.. REally even if i dont understand sometimes but i try my best to get what u wanna tell us about the poem.. but could u please tell me if u really wrote all poem by yrself????

well, i have to let u now coz i have to go back to work a little, But tomorrow i will finish everything...and i will be able to be online like before... I hore we will be able to talk as soon as possible.

OK,,, i wish u had a good day and dont work too hard coz its not good for yrself..

and we will talk again very soon..:)

take care,

yr friend from Thailand

(She 18 when I first talk to her, she's 20 now) momento para mi.

===

Hello,

Its me, Pia. How r u? I hope u r fine and everything is ok in yr place. Anyway, i have got one poem and i dont understand it very much. Could u please tell me what this poem is about? and How does the poet show it? like He used Metaphor, paradox, Simile etc...

===

the struggling university student. I was happy to indulge her in a very good interpretation.

I'm not really this bad am i? Hmmm, well, one last thought: "A new miss right is born every minute!)

on the other hand, it dun gotta be this way...

JuiceSpike

04-30-03, 01:25

PosterLion,

Have a lot of fun while you can...

juice.

PosterLion

04-30-03, 01:32

u 2 juice...

that is all that can be done in this life.

poster...

Skinless

04-30-03, 03:04

I have just read Samas' post again. Very funny. Do only manic depressives etc post here? I like the rehashed story and Hollywood, Bollywood and Nashville all live on simple lines. I like the idea of fucked up farangs meeting ladies just off the buffalo train and being suckered by them. Then, when I get back on the plane, I feel good. But not as good as I feel when I am drilling them with the Skinless One.

I reckon most guys who go to LOS lt and hang around with these women better watch out. They are building castles on air. Like the women we use, they make interesting anthropological specimens. And nothing more.

On a more immediate note: how can I get rid of this nympho I have been bonking? I have to be careful as she could do me a lot of damage if she spreads the word that I like bonking teenagers (which I do). A gentle let down, tell her I have an STI etc. All no good as she might make a very big scene. The little head, and the need to get head, as always, making a mess of my life. She is a little bit nuts I think and therein is the danger.

Joe Zop

04-30-03, 06:44

Posterlion, Mr. Samus is of course a great sage and his advice is completely sound. No worries about being foolish if that's your game, but truth is what happens when you are with someone for a very long time and when things get ugly, not when you email or ICQ. It doesn't matter at all what you believe or what anyone else believes -- the only thing that matters is what happens, and we all put our own spins on how to see and interpret that. Samus' sane warning is to just have fun and be careful, lest you manage to turn into a cliche, as so many do. Solid advice for any of us.

Mr. Skinless I have no fear of LE, as of course I post only fiction, as is true of almost all posters here (the exceptions being those who worry about SARS.) If my pals the police want to track me down in Thailand I will gladly buy them all the beer and woman they choose. ('Sides, my old partners from the days when I worked for the police department -- nearly thirty years ago -- were always high as kites on something or another or drunk as lords.) In a year I will look at the 1000 post threshold and laugh and I only wish that the number of posts was as invisible as people's email addresses.

As far as the nympho you've been bonking -- I suggest that the first line of defense is to stop bonking her. The second is to stop calling. Even taking into account your extraordinary wondefulness, if the calls and money stop flowing it changes the dynamic.

Skinless

04-30-03, 07:04

Dear Mr Zop
As you can see, I have retreated back to the Thai Women section. Much saner though I do like the doomed poetry sprouting up in Morality etc. I figure that old mermaid tale holds good. I can still see the BB One, in blue, with the blue Pattaya ocean at her back. Good girls gone bad. And we are little sailor boys who cannot wait to get smashed upon those beguiling rocks.

Speaking of which: there is no money or calling involved with this lady. She corners me and I bonk her (I am a softie and a romantic, you are right). But, fuck, I am in over my head here and things could get VERY ugly if she turns nasty. I have to gently defuse her. But how? This is a BIG problem. LIke all easy lays, she is a bit nuts. And that means trouble. She is in position to do me untold damage. Shit, I wish Skinless would stay in his pantys until such time as I can bring him for a walk in LOS.

As regards the big 1k, don't worry. I remember being in Korat of happy memories when Tapioca posted his 100th. We were all so young and innocent then. Happy days with more to come if I can wriggle out of this latest hole my little head has put me into.

Philo

04-30-03, 08:56

Has she gone home to her mother to wait for me?

Five days ago my darlings (sic) telephone went dead. I admit I was worried. Three days ago I got this message from one of her friends telephone: 'can you call me now'. I called and she gave me a story on how her telephone was lost. Can you send me money for telephone? Blah-blah .... Nope, I'll buy you telephone when I come Patong in two weeks.

(She was afraid I should make arrangements with her friend, and told me not to answer calls from this number again - and gave me the number to a ladyboy friend that she would call from next time.)

Changing my mind, I messaged first the ladyboy- and when I got no answer - the friend that I would send her the money for the phone. As I received no answers I today called them both and they told me they haven't seen my darling in two or three days (they live in rooms on the same floor).

What can this mean? Please tell me, I am very worried ........ :D

THIS IS LESSON ONE OF MY MSS (Master of Sad Sucker). AND I HAVE TO LEARN FOR MYSELF....

PosterLion: I will come back to visa runs ....

Dick Johnson

04-30-03, 11:36

Some of us here went from being a statistic to a monger.

Some people never get over it, jeez.

Joe Zop

04-30-03, 14:44

Definitely sounds, Skinless, like making yourself less available might be a sensible thing -- perhaps accellerate your next scheduled LOS interlude? Clearly, there's no help for you if you're going to continue boinking her -- maybe a gradual lessening would be a good start.

Philo, ah, yes, the nonworking phone. See recent discussion in the Pattaya section: phone = gold with some depreciation.

Skinless

04-30-03, 15:28

Joe: you make it sound so simple. I am totally fucked if she makes a move. The psychological head game is theo nly way here but this one is really tricky and really very stupid of me. What was I thinking (Need I ask, it sounds like pu$$y). That is why prostitutes are best: you pay your money and the dirty deed is done and over with. Simple, even if water buffaloes get sick and all the rest. Ah,this sweet and tragic life.

Joe Zop

04-30-03, 15:43

Oh, hey, I understand it's not simple -- but if you're going to keep boinking her regularly then all the psychological head games in the world aren't likely to matter, as she's gonna feel she has possessive rights, and that you owe her.

I agree with you wholeheartedly on the prostitute (and the sweetness and tragedy, which are of course generally connected) angle -- that way we only need to deal with our own screw-ups and obsessions, and not someone else's, unless that's what you want.

Skinless

05-02-03, 00:03

Hey Mr Aran: you have to get the romance back in your life. The losers posting here want to think they are heavy rollers, not the Little Leaguers we know them to be. They want to think they are like you n me Samas as we strill into Korat Park, looking for love and romane with flowers and chocolates for the babes we love. Samas: I am sad you are leaving Paradise. But come back when you can. The gals in the park will miss you. And always remember: LOVE CONQUERS ALL. See any other good movies lately?

Philo

05-04-03, 20:11

This man is is my brother in philosophy:

www.stickmanbangkok.com/reader/reader263.html

He has a heart and a brain - not just a belly and a dick ......

PosterLion

05-04-03, 20:33

SA,

Okay okay... I will cease to post this crap as I can see you have read this shit before. :)

As for why I posted it, I am not entirely sure as a week has past and I drank a few beers and farted since then.

DJ,

Yeah I went the monger route for the most part. Hmmm, I'm in Laredo just now. Had two nice ones last night across in NL. going to a bullfight this afternoon.

JZ,

Thanks for the replies too. How's everything with you an RN? It looks like the topic is actually morality now. lol... no more guy profiling. Hmmm, I don't know what to post as I don't know much about morality. :)

I'll thinks of something...

Oh, you are of course correct that reality is what happens. I just posted this to WSG, and the TG is on the ICQ chatting me. blah blah blah.

Anyway, thanks for all you guys warnings. Truely, I am not in love with anyone. I just thought these emails might me of interest and not considered a total waste of bandwidth by those that have not yet become hard and wise.

Cheers! :)

The Traveler

05-04-03, 21:12

Philo :

> He has a heart and a brain - not just a belly and a dick ......

He doesn't seem to have that much brain, otherwise he wouldn't come into a situation like this. If he would have been more suspicious in the beginning he could gather all the info he got on his return.

Furthermore flushing 5.000 baht down the toilet and calling it revenge (to who ? hurting just your own financial resources)doesn't seem to be that smart to me too. If he wants to give it away, give it to an orphanage or do something else more useful.

This shows that he is driven far too much by his emotions instead of using his brain.

A belly and a dick would have saved him a lot of pain. From my point of view he hasn't understood what's going going on at all.

Be aware and always expect everything !
Never rule anything out !

Philo

05-04-03, 21:44

T_T

If you have a heart - your heart will be looking for love. If love cannot be found at home - you will seek it in LOS. And of course you will loose. There's just some of us who risk getting hurt (and if I may add: the guys here promoting FF, FFF or FFFF are really missing something; life is more than shitting, pissing, eating, sleeping and mechanically fucking cheap pussy).

5000 down the toilet is not rational - but who the fuck wants to be rational?

The man has a soul - and he has the courage to show it!

Joe Zop

05-04-03, 22:21

I agree with Traveler -- the guy's a melodramatic idiot. Looking for love is one thing, thinking you're going to find it with sex workers is another, and deciding to publicly throw things in a bar girl's face after you've found out that she is precisely who you should expect her to be is absolutely and completely another level of stupidity. How many bars are there in Bangkok, for heaven's sake, and why would you go back in and front the woman? Because she was a damned good actress? Isn't that what she's supposed to be? (The fact that he "waited for the theater" says he knew what probably was coming and is therefore even more of an idiot.) And anyway, six weeks sure doesn't prove a damn thing about the reality of any relationship, let alone one like this.

I'm someone who absolutely believes in love, I believe in the importance of the heart, I believe in treating people properly, I believe in longer-term relationships with TGs, but that doesn't mean I believe a farang hooking up with a bar girl for a real relationship stands a snowball's chance in Bangkok. I'm all for the glory of being a fool, but an intentional and not a misguided fool.

The man may well have a soul, but he's got no brain.

Philo

05-04-03, 22:56

Mai pen rai .....

The Traveler

05-04-03, 23:23

Philo :

I have (a heart) ! I also feel sorry for some of those girls and other people who were struck by life and have a real hard time.
But this doesn't mean that I will switch off my brain and only listen to my heart. That won't work out cause you will be lost.

I am travelling to LOS for almost 20 yrs now and think I have seen almost everything. I saw the good times and also saw things changing and getting worse from year to year.
I had long term relationships, some last between 2 to 5 years. Also had many short term relations for just a few days or weeks and unnumbered encounters on the 3F basis.

I have made mistakes myself, cause I had a soft heart, but learned from it and getting harder each time.

But first, I never went into a fight with a girl or even had trouble with any and secondly - more important too - I always questioned everything I have heard and seen to get the whole picture. Never got cheated like him. If I can't check on something then I will doubt it. Forget about the big stories girls will tell you, listen to the small things. They often contain more info. It's very hard for them to stick to their story in every detail.

I don't mind paying big bucks. If somebody gives me a good time I am willing to pay for it. That doesn't mean to have sex, a nice companion is sometimes more important. Like on my last trip, I used to hang out with one girl I had picked up before, without taking her again. She brought me other girls, did the best advertising I have seen so far (wasn't necessary, girls like me anyway :-) without asking for anything. After a few days I gave her some money just to be fair cause she could have made some money in the meantime.

The way this guy is writing his letter shows that he is hanging to a dream I never had. Why can't he find love at home ? What is so much different in LOS ?
One thing that is different is that sex is widely available in LOS for a relatively small amount of money compared to your homecountry. Secondly it "looks" less business and more GFE like, but this is not true. As soon as you understand that this is just business for them, then you are safe. I won't say that some might even like their customers and sometimes even can fall in love (and vice versa). I have seen many mixed partnerships that worked out and many more that didn't. The ones that worked out were between partners who saw reality and did not expect to much.

All I say is, that he didn't used his brain in the beginning. He felt lonely and was looking for love and she could sense it. Furthermore he revealed his real thoughts to her instead of keeping them secret. That way, he gave away all necessary info without gaining any info about her. That made him a soft target. You cannot look for love, real love just happens.

So if anyone wants to support a girl expect nothing. If there is something in return, good, if not, don't get mad. It's like tipping beforehand, you never know what you get.
Furthermore, if you really want to support her, you make the rules. She got to stay upcountry, all main tourist spots are forbidden. Call her at random, do tell her when. No mobile, only phone with area code. If she can't pick up the phone within a few hours, over and out.
Also realize, that the above precautions probably might save her from hooking around but she still can have a thai boyfriend.

Both of them over reacted in their own way. There must have been something more he didn't mentioned. Did he blame her in front of all the other people ? Did he make her lose face in some way ? Why didn't he walk away from trouble and let it escalate ?
Girls usually don't look for a fight (a long as they are not pissed).
This talk about killing each other sounds more than a competition or trying to be cool than anything else.
If she would really be of that kind, why couldn't he sense it before ? This guy must be blind or a total newbie without any experience in life.

BTW, he is just one out of a million who still need to learn their lessons.

Hope you are smarter.

Best wishes

The Traveler

05-04-03, 23:26

Sorry, typo

"Call her at random, DON'T tell her when"

The Traveler

05-04-03, 23:30

Also like to add, Joe Zop is totally right.
This guy should try to get a life in Norway.
He seems not to be fit for LOS.

PosterLion

05-05-03, 00:22

Hey Samus Aran,

I did not mean to go off on you like it appears. I re-read all the posts and I think I see you are trying to give good advice to me. I just got pissed that you would call letters like that shit and crap, a waist of bandwidth and so forth.

My post about the statistic thing was merely to show that all things are statistics after it is said and done. For instance, the guy that falls in love and ruins his life over a wh0re is one statistic. the guy that does not fall in love and screws for 200 baht is another statistic. And then the fact that we are all gonna die is the final statistic. That is all i meant.

So, it is highly possible that everything said on here is a waist of bandwidth. However, i do appreciate the advice i have gotten from everyone on here: whether it being you trying to tell me to be careful, or whether it was the guys that told me where to find the trouble at. it is all going around and i think we all know that.

so... sorry if i came off as overly hostile. i never meant it to get that way.

poster...

Skinless

05-05-03, 01:43

Samas: I hope to be drilling in the park in September, I should be making arrangements today.

Norwegian love story: I kinda liked this and I am surprised Joe_Zop etc gt angry about it. The truth is any male who goes into a sex bar is looking for sex. The women play all kinds of games. That is what I like in Thermae and Beergarden. I like to see the entire orchestra, watch them smile at me and kay their shit on me. We are little frogs, all lines up at the bar and they are snakes and other reptiles who devour us in different way. Some wil fuck absolutely anything and others wait for the juicy morsel, the fat frog to come along.

The most successful whares have to know how to spin their service, to make you think you are getting something more that a Samas Aran special.

Such a gentleman. Allowing himself to be bottled etc. When the ice queen made her threat to kill him, she knew exactly what she was dealing with. It seems a very interesting bar that lets ladies like that operate there. And there are very many TGs operate that way. I see them leading their frogs out of Beergarden and straight to the clothes stall. One of the best things about LOS is watching this parade of TG reptiles and their frogs in tow. Many guys write here about parading their TGs aroound. It is the other way round. The TG , calls the shots, sets the rules, wears the pants - and osmetimes the strap on as well.

PosterLion

05-05-03, 01:59

skinless,

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

the frogs and the snakes, great metaphor! you should include the ease and regularity in which the snake sheds its skin. Maybe it could also be the rocks and the snakes.

hmmm, kinda ironical, frog or rock, rock or frog, the snake is stilll in control.

long time, short time, 3f's, so what, the snake gets the money and retires to the hole, contented and highly satisfied.

lol...

Joe Zop

05-05-03, 02:52

Not angry at all, Skinless, only saying that this guy, who claimed to be experienced, seemed to me way off base in blaming the TG involved and that he didn't seem very smart in the whole enterprise. His real complaint is that she used a different game on him than the one he was used to, and/or that she did it with more skill than others he'd encountered.

This guy's post was more about acting out after he discovered he'd been taken in than anything else. Sure, disappointment happens, but c'mon, the bottom line is still that this guy saw what he wanted to see, fooled himself into thinking the same old thing was not the same old thing, and then got bitter because he, an "experienced monger" who managed to fuck himself out three weeks into a two-month trip, got taken by someone he met in a sex bar and then knew for six weeks. (Like his original intent wasn't to just get laid every day for two months?) The whole violent bar scene was just stupid, as was his taking another TG up to his room as well as flushing money -- that's just feeling sorry for yourself and being dramatic. He's welcome to do it, but it's no real lesson for anyone else other than, "don't be stupid like that."

I also absolutely love the game, and I think it's one of the most alluring things in the world to listen to the sirens singing, and I love the endless parade of possibilities you see in Thermae or the Biergarten or wherever, but the bottom line is still that if you start seriously thinking in terms of "being in love" when you're dealing with bargirls you're a fool and a fool who's about to be royally done over. You, Skinless, are entranced with the beautiful hopelessness of it all; I love it because it can be like playing a juicy part in a great movie, but we both still recognize that it's a problem if it becomes confused with real life.

I'll go with the metaphor, though I'm a little uncomfortable with it: You don't blame the snake for eating the frog -- she's just having dinner. The frog is the one who's being foolish by making himself believe that he's not dealing with a snake, telling himself that long tail means she's really a tadpole in the process of becoming a frog. There are plenty of safe ways to handle reptiles, and offering your heart to them for nibbling isn't one of them.

And no, I'm not suddenly becoming a 3F guy -- this is the same perspective I've always had, and I still like getting personally involved with the TGs I spend time with, and like all the relationship trappings. But they're exactly that -- trappings -- and the L word is an absolute line because it changes the way you look at the world, and here that's an invitation for a bottle upside the head.

Just 'cause we're silly frogs doesn't mean we need to go out of our way to get croaked.

Dinghy

05-05-03, 04:41

Skinless!!! such poetry. and sage advice worthy of Z. The philosophy lesson would make Freeler proud as well!

BTW - I managed to butterfly the whole time I was there, but i did get a wake-up call from 1 TG who was interested in "seconds"

Freeler

05-05-03, 05:34

Philo,

Please don't EVER look at Stickman's site again, OK?
The man is Supermoron himself.

THNX

Philo

05-05-03, 08:04

Sorry guys ......

I didn't know there would be such a blast.

My problem - and hence this man is my brother - is that I have a combination of 'good heart', 'stupid heart' and 'lonely heart'.

And of course I know that this will bring me down bigtime in Thailand .....

May be I am learning: I will not confront my teerak with her lies - next time she calls maybe I just say my sister (I don't have one) is sick and in hospital, and I have to pay for it - so I cannot come back as promised, and sorry, all the money went to the hospital.

And then I'll go BKK for (lonely and meaningless) LBFM-workout? Yes, may be ....

Skinless

05-05-03, 09:04

freeler: i hope to be drilling in the park in september, i should be making arrangements tomorrow. i see stickman visited the monument and never commented on the action in the park. man, how i am looking forward to a stroll in the park, butterflying from sweet flargrant flower to blushing rose. he also visited buriram etc to get away from the sex (don't flame me, that's what he said). maybe ishould write him a reader's "tail".

i looked into eden's site today. they will give you a [CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103) or [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) into your mouth if you want it. are they better pissers than the pissers in the park? there is just a fool born every minute.

what must inteelligent ladies like them think of guys who pay them to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) all over them?

it is ok to use these women to work through our fantasies. but that is where it should end. personally, i do love and admire them and would gladly marry them (but i am not a bigamist).
they are poor and honest and have no intention of ripping anyone off.

but life is hard. look at this norwegian guy. she gave him love, stayed at home, just fucking her husband and all his friends. then he comes back demanding his "rights". he was lucky not to get killed. she was not a heavy. if she was, he would not have got out of the pub alive. husband etc would have seen to that.

so what can we learn? it is their country even if they are at the bottom of the shit pile. we fuck with them, they fuck with us. we should simply love them and fuck them. don't ever forget the difference between a tourist and a corpse.

speaking of frogs: i am glad people liked the metaphor. even here in tokyo, i watch ladies march guys away to fuck them. kinda like prison warders. they are not doing it for the sex.

speaking again of frogs: whatever happened to mr frog? last we heard, he ad gone into korat park/ maybe a snake got him for lunch.

speaking of sirens and music: prokofiev, our wise sage, once said to all the guys posting on the american women board: someone is banging everyone of them. if you want a relationship and cannot have one, address your default. do not go to los where these entrancing women will eat you alive.

bb one newsflash: as many of you know, john gumshoe skinless has been doggedly following the bb one's email for some time now. the latest news will break your heart. (samas: pass out the tissues for the cry babies). the czech is offering 13,000 bt a month to keep her on the straight and narrow. she is insisting on 30,000 bt. (fucking right too, these cheap charlies). so, like all questions with prostitutes, we are back down to the money. cheap czech charlie (ccc) has still not sent any $$ so he may be just trying to lure her to prague to sell hr off. who knows? there is no talk of the baby she is supposed to be expecting, probably aborted, who knows? of course, any self resepcting tg should have a few fools sending her $$. kinda like they gold they wear: officer pips or at least nco stripes

Freeler

05-05-03, 15:42

Skinless,

'She is insisting on 30,000 bt. (fucking right too, these cheap Charlies).'
:D!

Looks like you're still in shape!

The Traveler

05-05-03, 18:18

Skinless :

Not angry at all, just agree with everything that joe_zop said.
This norwegian guy is a moron. Complaining about something most of us would have expected from this girl. What was she doing in that bar the first place ? Yes, picking up customers and not looking for the love of her life !
In the end she gave him a good time as long as it lasts.
Putting himself in trouble and throwing away money shows that he got no brain. Even Al Bundy is much smarter than him :-)

Philo :
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May be I am learning: I will not confront my teerak with her lies - next time she calls maybe I just say my sister (I don't have one) is sick and in hospital, and I have to pay for it - so I cannot come back as promised, and sorry, all the money went to the hospital.

And then I'll go BKK for (lonely and meaningless) LBFM-workout? Yes, may be ....
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Now you got it !

MeatMan

05-06-03, 06:31

As the ol' saying goes....You can't turn a ho' into a housewife.Tsk,tsk, so sad but...mai pen rai

Joe Zop

05-06-03, 13:49

Philo -- your heart combination is not an unusual one, but it's one that can definitely put you at risk in LOS. It's one thing to have fun playing the relationship game with bar girls, but it's quite another to start thinking it's real. Anyone who finds themselves drifting into the reality area should probably go back to being a strict 3F alcolyte.

As far as your tilac is concerned, if you show up you're just another fish solidly hooked on the line, and if you don't you're just another lying farang. Neither is exactly a great aspiration. You already know she's having you on -- if that keeps you safe emotionally, then it's fine to keep going on things, but it sounds as though you've been kind of getting off on getting your heart ripped up, which isn't really a good cycle to get into.

It's a big country and there's no shortage of willing TGs -- you can also just wander around and enjoy as opposed to "learning lessons."

Skinless, if I were the BB one I'd be holding out for 30k as well; might as well set the bar high when the guy's not going to cough up in any event. Why set your price low if it's all baloney? She ought to start lobbying for 40k to up the ante for the Czech and get a real reaction.

Skinless

05-06-03, 14:18

Joe_Zop: Interesting take. Maybe there is an "optimal" rate to squeeze guys for. She probably is genuine about stopping as she asked the Swede, her first love, for 30 k too (1.2 k for her sister, 5k for rent, 10k or something for hairdressing and the rest for yabba or whatever). He sent 10k once and no more). She probably means to stop. I kow this from reading her correspondence with a nice TG who has had some babies with Manfred from Germany. Though she means to stop selling her pussy, she may not of coruse. And the odds have to be against it. I guess I get off on that as I am a sick bastard.

I might have wormed my way out of my own hole by changing my skin color. Things have cooled off with the nympho. Maybe someone else was poking her over the long weekend here. I certainly hope so as she is a pain in the ass and if it wasn't for this butterflying dick of mine, I would not other with her.

I poked an old whare here over the weekend. One of my worst ever fucks. Shit, life is hard. Tomorrow I should have my September TOD planned. Just some savagery in Korat Park and little more. Maybe we should send those hags money too!

Joe Zop

05-06-03, 14:35

Hmm, I dunno -- I expect most would happily stop selling it if they could manage it. 30k is 1k every day and if that's good enough for Freeler that should be good enough for most TGs. 30k seems like the number that comes up a lot in discussions I've had with TGs about the money they get sent -- they feel that someone who sends less should understand that they're helping out, but that she can't afford to quit; someone who sends 40k is serious, and either a heavy sucker or someone with potential, etc.

Good to hear thing have cooled with the nympho. More cooling will probably bring more safety, unless she's the type to take that as an excuse to go ballistic, in which case you might be fucked pretty much no matter what.

Skinless

05-06-03, 14:58

Joe:Is this to suggest that if we all chip in and give Freeler 1k bt a day, he will stop fucking TGs? Sounds good to me.
The nympho alert remains. I have messages from her but will hold off before sending a vague reply. She could really do me over so I have to be careful. Maybe I can slither out of it. Any advice is welcome as much tact is needed. If she talks, my goose is cooked.

30 k: you miss the point I think. You cannot take the bar out of htem. What else would they do with their free time? Freeler is right there. Never send money. SHIT! What happens if we send Freeler money and he keeps fucking the lady with the teeth?

Joe Zop

05-06-03, 15:04

Far be it from me to deny TGs their livelihood by putting Freeler on easy street! If we give him 1k a day he will just fuck three times as many...

While I agree that you should never send money, I don't agree that many of these ladies wouldn't get out of the bar if they could manage it. Shopping, watching Thai soap operas, heading out to discos and praying at temples can easily fill up the time. Sure, some will stay no matter what, but plenty of others would just as soon do nothing much at all -- but they're naturally not going to trust that a farang (or three) will continue to come through with the dough, so they need to keep fishing...

Good luck with the nympho -- I still think gradual cooling sounds like the most prudent course other than a trip elsewhere for a while. It's got to seem to be her idea to end things if you're going to stay safe, don't you think?

Freeler

05-06-03, 18:43

Skinless, Joe_zop,

Don't you two have something, as in 'anything', useful to do?

BTW Next Tour of Duty starts June 28, 2003.

JuiceSpike

05-07-03, 00:27

The 30K salary for a hooker to stop fucking.... Good investment?

The whole premise of giving a bar girl 30K to stop her thing makes no sense when you realize that unless you keep that 30K rolling in forever she will not take the (stupid) Farang seriously... Is this 30K to make her stop or is it to make her change her life??? If she is going to sit around and wait for the money and then sit around some more with nothing else to do until the money guy gets back to Thailand? Hmmm...

For a lot of girls there is the thrill that goes with working in a bar looking for Mr. Right (sucker) and the opportunity to have fun doing it... Yes, fun. Thai girls love to fuck Farangs, they are slutty and although they will tell you that is a "job" to support their family thing, it is also a fun time for them. Sure, there is the need to support the family thing but it is for most of them it is an easy way to make money and have fun doing it. Thailand is an erotic country that goes much deeper than the Farang scene. In Thai relationships, men are always (the norm) paying for sex outside the relationship, whether married or not. The men with more money have "minor wives" to amuse themselves and to keep the side thing constant and loyal. Thai men pay less than Farangs and most of the time get the stunners not available to Farangs unless you get lucky finding one in a regular bar or club, or pay more at more exclusive massage places...

If a girl really wants to get out of the business and the guy wants to be her savior the only thing that will work is that he must move to Thailand or he can get her out of the country on a quick turn around visa. These girls do not have the patients to sit around and wait, too many potential Farangs drooling to pay them for sex. In either case the odds are aginst the relationship to work and the reasons are many.... I once heard a girl say to me that she regreted having been with so many men and that if she ever fell in "love" with a Farang it would be hard for her to be with him and feel she was worthy of his cock.... Yeah, they are a little messed up....

A Angel Witch girl gets married story.

Last year I was invited to the wedding of one of the most beautiful and "wholesome" looking girls that worked at Angel Witch for five years. She had know her husband (English guy) for 3 years. She is 25 and he is 60. He proposed many times over the 3 years but she said no because he was not moving to Thailand to be with her. The guy retired and moved to Thailand and started a business from which he could buy a condo and own it for himself or something like that. Among the things she demanded was a cash flow every month and a house for herself. He agreed and now he is building a house and also got her pregnant. She did the right thing by setting herself as a commodity for this guy to buy. Is she happy now? I saw her on January of this year and she appeared to be happy but missed something in her life (what would that be?) and even flirted with me a couple of times. She is maybe out of the bar but she is bored to death... He keeps a real close eye on her and I can't imagine what it would be like to have your wife be an ex pay for play girl under control...

In Thailand people making 30K a month have an education and are considered to be middle class. Do Thai girls see themselves becoming middle class with 30K/month? Do they really need 30K/month to just survive? Hell no. Average salary of a professional is around 15K - 20K a month.

The girls are thinking that if the guy is stupid enough to consider sending money they will ask for a lot. From what I heard and experienced, 9 out of 10 girls will fuck other guys even when the Farang is sending money.... I have been in places cheking my email and girls asked me to translate the emails from Farangs sending money and after helping them out they ask if I'm busy that night.... One girl confessed to having 3 guys sending her money. She was a stunner and offered herself for a reduced fee because I was a nice guy. I said no thanks and she thought I didn't think she was pretty enough (she was great looking) so offered the numbers of two other girls that I might like. The next day, she was going to visit one of her BF in Belguim. She was proud of her accomplishments and was flying first class.... Not bad for a hooker.... She also showed me pictures of guys she had met on the internet (her email account had about 13 unread emails) and we joked about which guy was next on her list of suckers.... One guy even sent her a picture of his cock, and asked for my opinion about his looks.... I told her that I liked pussy not cocks.... I still have her number if any of you guys care to have it.

A guy sending money to a hooker in Thailand needs to ask himself these questions: What are you getting in return for sending money? A reserved pussy for your next trip? A chance that she might change and become your perfect wife and mother of your children? A chance to help a woman that against her will sells her pussy to help her family? A chance to start a "real" relationship with a woman that tells you are handsome and that you have good heart 4 times a day?

Yes, most girls would prefer not to fuck for money but after their initiation time in the biz (about 30 days) they are damaged for life... 9 out of ten don't have a chance to make it...

juice.

Dick Johnson

05-07-03, 02:37

geez Juice, right on the money. Did you write all that (just kidding)? It is way above the normal gibberish some people post.

Thumbs up.
care to email me..
richard_johnson@angelfire.com

Skinless

05-07-03, 05:12

Hello, my name is John Skinless. I have booked two weeks in Thailand in September. Here is my math (all proces in baht): gross air fare, hotels and ladies: 15,000 bt each, 45,000 bt in total, John Skiness sundries (Viagra, food etc): 15,000 bt.
Total: 60,000 bt.
Toky prices: short term hotel: 1,000 bt, plus 3,500 bt for lady. Total: 45,000 bt for 10 short term journeys. So, sex expenses are the same but the experiences obviously differ. Here are some questions:
How much extra is LOS sex worth?
Is 2 weeks long enough to last me to the end of the year?
Being a busy guy with a lot of sexy babes at hand, I have to ration myself. All help appreciated.

Joe Zop

05-07-03, 05:43

Nice post, Juice -- I agree with you absolutely that the whole idea of sending money is stupid and pointless, whether it's 5k, 30k or 50k, and that living there is the only way to possibly have what passes for a "real" relationship (which with a bar girl is still a resoundingly stupid idea) with any TG. I mean, even if you take the cultural differences out of the equation, remove the fact that you're talking about women who are prostitutes, and just look at the idea of a guy sending money to a woman thousands of miles away so she'll sit around and wait for him to show up once in a while it's still clearly a stupid concept with little hope of success. When you add those other things back in it's even more ludicrous.

You're right that it's tough for TGs to leave the scene, but I think a month is a little low on the estimate -- in my experience it's fairly progressive, and the longer they're in it the tougher it is to get away, because they get used to both the money and the social scene. That's true not only for the percentage who love the sex but for the ones who despise both that and their customers. Basically, they've sacrificed any social standing, so what else is there for them to look to go to? Plus, whether they "need" 30k or not, plenty get used to having it and don't want to give it up. How may people on this board would be happilly willing to change their lives and jobs and cut their incomes by least half?

JuiceSpike

05-07-03, 14:02

Joe,

Maybe 30 days is not enough for a girl to get "damaged." But I have met new ones and to me they get into the damaged zone pretty fast.... You are right that some girls have utter contempt for what they do and for Farangs and these are the girls that will end up in really fucked up situations...

I love my job and I know I'm lucky about this one. I work my ass off to have my own biz and I would definately not change it for anything. ...

I once came very close to helping a Thai girl get out of the biz becuase I know what is like to do something you don't like but have to do it....for whatever reasons. I decided against doing it because I knew that by helping her (and there were no strings attached with her in my part) would not really help her but just give her some time off from her career choice... She had been married for 3 years and was a really good girl. She had it all, travelled to different countries, helped her mom and family, and almost finished her high school education. She was also as westernized as you can get given the circumstances and spoke good English. Well, after she divorced her hubby because she came to the comclusion she had married him only because of the security and did not love him, she split. She did not ask for any money or possesions but he did help her for 9 months so she could get a "real" job. She tried many jobs. I talked to him once in Thailand and he really believed she would make it. She had all the signs of being a "different" type of working girl but she did not make it in the "real" world. The odds were against her in a big way. After trying and trying for 10 months at the real world, she ended up working at the same go-go bar she met her husband four years before. That's were I met her after she had been back at the bar only for 2 months. When I declined to help her, she understood why I did not do it. There were no scenes and although I saw her on my other trips and yes, I did give her a little money for spending time with me, she never asked again and claimed she had falling in love with me. I told her that was a bad idea. She knew I was seeing other girls and did not make a scene about it. I did feel sorry for her. It was hard to say no becuase I could afford it but ultimately it was not a good idea. We are still in touch and she managed to go to beauty school for 7 months to change herl life around. I have stopped fucking her because that was complicating her situation giving her false hope. Last I heard from her, she was thinking of taking a job in Pattaya at a resort (she hated Pattaya, she was a Bangkok girl). I have not asked if she is really doing this job or working at a bar job, etc.

Best to leave it alone.

Juice.

Joe Zop

05-07-03, 16:22

I wonder how many guys have gotten themselves in major trouble trying to "rescue" TGs -- I'm as guilty as the rest, and have done so on a couple of occasions, but I restrict it to while I'm there, and make it clear that when I'm gone, I'm gone and so is the money, and I'm not coming back. (My mantra -- spoken often to my companion -- is always that I'm a customer, not a boyfriend, though of course, ah, if only the world were different...) If nothing else, rescue situations make for an interesting exercise and learning experience about expectations and what various TGs think their options and needs are. The student I hung with my last trip supposedly is out of the game, still working at a travel agency (I've got a farang friend who's gone by and confirms it) and going to school, but of course who knows? No skin off my nose either way, though I hope for her sake it's true, as she is a nice girl, wasn't cut out for the biz and was headed for major damage.

I think the issue of attitudes about farangs is a good one to talk about -- we've all got our own tastes when it comes to looks, but what are people's warning signs or good indicators when talking with TGs?

Usually, if I start hearing about how all that such and such farang (possibly last boyfriend) wanted was X or Y, I'm out of there. If I hear a little about farangs breaking her heart, that's ok, and even a little misty-eyed or wistful is acceptable, but if it's a constant topic then there seems to be a good possibility of emotional dramatics, so off the list she goes. Regret that something didn't work is fine, but too much emotion is a warning sign.

I'm not generally scared off hearing that 4 farangs are sending a TG money every month -- since I'm immune to such suggestions, that's actually often an indication that she will do everything in her power to convince me that I should be in love with her, which, since I won't be, means a good ride. Sometimes, of course, it just means that she's a money-wheedling shrew, in which case it's so long.

How about other folks?

Freeler

05-07-03, 18:19

Joe_zop,

'I've got a farang friend who's gone by and confirms it'
:(
None of my friends are spies!

The only thing I ever did to 'help' a TG was to buy her a passport.
A good investment on her part (she could have spent the money on clothes or alcohol...), she made at least two trips to Europe...
And a good investment on my part too. She and her friends all 'love me' and that gets me free rooms and lovin' whenever I meet one of them:).

Joe Zop

05-07-03, 18:44

I didn't ask, and he's not a spy, Freeler. It's just something he casually mentioned in an email, that's all.

The Traveler

05-07-03, 22:35

juicespike :

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Thai girls love to fuck Farangs, they are slutty ...
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Some, not all of them.

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Thai men pay less than Farangs
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Right and wrong.
The average thai man pays less cause he can't afford paying more, but I know a lot of thai men who are paying far more than all of us here at the board had ever payed to the girls together.

JuiceSpike

05-08-03, 02:29

Joe,

I'm sure there are plenty of guys getting into trouble (money and more) by trying to "rescue" a Thai girl... If I could get a dollar for every guy thinking about sending money or actually sending it I could possibly get rich.

There is no easy answer to NOT getting sucked into situations with girls in Thailand. Even the pros in here probably have war stories to tell. These girls are charming and know how to play sweet and easy going. How can you not like that?

A good warning sign is really coming from the guy. When he starts to think or imagine that "this girl is so sweet and and fucks so well I could see myself hanging out with her for a couple of days" is a pretty good one. There other one it might be when a guy starts feeling a little sorry for her life style and what she has to do to support herself and family...

As far as girl starting to rattle about being burned by Farang or I need this and that, you got to keep moving because its not only boring but a real turn off...

Traveller,

All the girls I have met in Thailand loved to fuck and were slutty. The ones that did a good job at faking it were so good at it they deserve the credit.

I'm sure that some Thai men pay more than the Farangs but that was not my point.

juice.

JuiceSpike

05-08-03, 18:01

Samus,

You are the man. Well said.

juice.

Freeler

05-08-03, 19:21

Samus Aran,

'Are we really having this discussion again?'
Apparently.
All discussions are recycled time and time again. Because, and I pointed this out a few times before, nobody bothers to go through the archives.
Currently in the OtherAreas section two posters ask about Korat soapies and KhonKaen.
The same in the BKK hotels section. Do I have to book the first nights, is NanaHotel any good? Etc.
Hello! Archives!

Juicespike,

'Thai men pay less than Farangs'
Far more than once I paid less than Thai men in the same bar, brothel or mp.
Reason: they are shy and I am not!
Also, when the mamasan/papasan or lady herself points out that 'Thai men pay more' I simply say:'Well, I am not a Thai man, so why should I pay his price?'
Believe me, this one works!

From my january 2003 tripreport:
'Well, so I decided to stay in Korat or maybe I was too lazy to
move. Good for me, because I just returned from a midday-fuck'n'suck-session in Kai's room.
She had just turned down a Thai, calling him cheap Charlie because he offered only B100. Then she asked me to go with her for B100...'

Joe Zop

05-08-03, 20:38

Well, Samus, yes, it looks as though we're having this discussion again, and again I'll say simply that there are other approaches than yours, and they can also work well or badly, as can your take on things, depending on the person. (I, in including my mind and some degree of emotion in the equation, have never fallen in love with anyone, and I've most certainly never gotten to the point where I prefer video games over sex... :D)

PosterLion

05-09-03, 00:53

Thailand FAQ
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Courtesy of Skinless, Freeler and Joe_Zop.

I think these guys have a valid point here. I'd recommend the Thailand FAQ section to any newbie out there. I remember how I thought, "Damn, why didn't I go here first..."

I think it is a good read and full of the basic facts, check it out.

Okay, I just read a good short story about a Thai prostitute that drowns in a shipwreck from Ban Phaen to Bangkok. It's published in a book titled "Many Lives" by Kukrit Pramoj. I'd say it gives a real good understanding of what we're dealing with here, Thai prostitutes.

Just my two cents...

poster...

MeatMan

05-09-03, 03:57

I'll say it again,you can't turn a ho' into a housewife

Well said Samus

Fawn The Guyver

05-09-03, 20:01

I have 2 friends who have marry a ho and they have turned them to a momy.

I try it now too I go now in 1 week back but first I will have some fun then I take my girl which was already 3 times with me in my country and she is a ho and she is willing to to marry me. She ask me everytime if I can marry her that she can stay with me.

Originally posted by MeatMan
I'll say it again,you can't turn a ho' into a housewife

Well said Samus

MeatMan

05-10-03, 04:38

Fawn,

I'll "man up" and say, that maybe true in some aspects but,You have better watch the backlash.It doesn't happen often that you
"live happliy ever after"

that's not to say I don't have a heart though, just be careful and don't get "caught up" These women come with a lot of issues/baggage.

I take the 3f approach.

MEATMAN

JuiceSpike

05-10-03, 15:04

Confused about what a Thai Hooker is, does for a living?

Whatever personal definition you have for a woman/girl that rents her pussy for money, there are some facts new guys going to Thailand can not ignore when dealing with them. Do not mistake a Thai hooker you when you meet one with this: she is a "special girl" or she is the "girl of your dreams."

The Facts:

1. Thai hookers only fuck for money. Yes, freebies are avaiable in Thailand but she is still a hooker.
2. Thai hookers try to sell more than their pussies. They also try to sell you the "illusion" of being your girlfirend.
3. A hooker's main expertise is to fuck and to lie. Yes, there are moments of truth about them but they are just moments.
4. She is available for a service. Cash for her pussy. Anything else is irrelevant.
5. Many Thai hookers don't see themselves as being a "Hooker": they will try to convince the new guy arriving to Thailand of this at any cost. This means you pay for the lie.
6. Thailand has very little resources to help hookers out of the business. If you are stupid enough to send money and help her out, you will need more than just money. Have a psychologist on stand by (a Thai native) and social workers to guide your new girlfriend through the recovery process.
7. Many thai hookers are looking for a sponsor: a chance to have a "real" life with a family and all the comforts of a stable life. A sponsor to them is a guy stupid enough to send her money while she makes you believe she is capable of change. A sponsor to her is a guy that will PAY HER to get out of the business. You make a purchase. In return, you will have the satisfaction of being a savior and the illusion that you have just saved another Thai soul. Invest wisely.
8. Thai hookers are different than many hookers around the world: they are sweet (for the most part), gentle, caring, and act like a regular girl would. This is how they attract suckers.
9. If you hand over cash after you have just fucked a Thai girl, she is 100% hooker. For sure. Do not mistake this with tipping a server in a restaurant. It is not the same. Very important not to forget she is a hooker despite all the sweet smiles, giggles, gentleness and the sweet words coming out of her mouth before she leaves you: "you good man, good heart", "you very sexy man, handsome man" or "you very good love maker" or "I love too much" or "I will miss you" or "I don't like my job" or "I don't lie" or "why you butterfly" or "what you doing later?" or "I want to see you, me like you very much" ... etc.

Tips for New Guys going to Thailand looking for a girlfriend:

1. Don't go.
2. Cancell your trip.
3. Buy yourself a new BMW. (it could be cheaper than getting sucked into sending money to a hooker)
4. Postpone your trip indefinately.
5. Don't go.

If you have a "lot" of money and don't care how you spend it and you are looking for a girlfriend:

1. Immediately book a flight to Bangkok.
2. You will find hundreds of girls that want to be your girlfiend regardless of what you look like or your personality is like.
3. Walk around proud of yourself that you have finally found paradise.
4. Have a smile that says "nice guy with money." It works.
5. Have a big heart and be understanding that many girls are not perfect and sometimes it may seem that you are paying to fuck them. You are not paying for their pussy. You are giving man with a big heart, you are helping a beautiful and wholesome girl in a third world country make it through a transitional time in her life.

juice.

Freeler

05-10-03, 15:35

Dear Mr. Juicespike,

Are you saying that I should not have sent my hard earned £1100 to the very reliable people at this site: http://www.issanthai.com/costs.htm
so they can find me a bride?

Thanks in advance for your advice,

Freeler

JuiceSpike

05-10-03, 16:08

Freeler,

"Up to you handsome"

juice.

Joe Zop

05-10-03, 18:13

Hmm, Juice, though I generally agree with what you've got here, and I understand you're aiming it at newbies, I also find it rather unrelentingly cynical and kinda hostile in places. I think I'll try putting a different take together on it -- so IRONY ALERT as I'm not putting this up in an entirely serious manner...

A Thai's Guide to Male Farang Visitors

Confused about the actions of foreign visitors to your country? Are some of their actions strange and baffling to you? Regardless of what you think of non-Thais, there are some facts you cannot ignore when dealing with them.

The Facts:

1. Farangs don't care in the least for temples, Buddhism, Thai culture, or anything that's not related to a woman sucking their cocks (with the occasional exceptions of golf, cheap clothes, and anal sex.) Doesn't matter that your country might have been around longer than their own -- they consider you backward and provincial, and your customs and rules an annoyance.

2. Farangs who visit Thailand don't have families and don't care about them, so don't bother treating them like they are anything but losers who are alone and satisfied to be that way. Face it, if they cared about families -- either theirs or yours -- would they be here by themselves wasting their money?

3. Farangs are comprised of two things -- their dicks and their wallets. They think their dicks are larger than they are, and their wallets smaller.

4. If you're Thai, and female, farangs consider you a hooker and treat you accordingly. If you make clear that you're not a hooker, then you're just a stuck-up Thai b*tch.

5. As far as farangs are concerned, Thai men are only good for driving tuk-tuks and being tailors or vendors. Thai men are mostly invisible to farangs.

6. Farangs feel they are generally doing Thai women a favor by having sex with them, even if the Farang is older than the TG's father, weighs twice as much, and is stinking drunk, and expect immense enjoyment and gratitude in return. After all, if TGs don't sleep with Farangs, they can only sleep with those invisible Thai men.

7. If you're a TG and you speak English, that means that you are or were a prostitute. If you don't speak English, it means you're stupid.

8. Farangs feel that a woman who takes money for sex is of low character (and therefore is also a liar and a cheat) but that a man who pays her is somehow not. Farangs know that they are generally morally superior to Thais in all ways.

9. Farangs find it completely unreasonable that bars would ever close, even though it happens in their home countries. Closing bars is another example of how stupid and short-sighted the Thais are, as is anything that discourages or hampers the sex industry in any way. Farangs feel that it is the place of Thai women to be always available to be screwed by Farangs, and any attempt to change that is uppity.

10. Farangs find the idea of bar fines unreasonable and ridiculous, even if they happily pay a cover charge just to walk into a topless place or disco back home.

11. Farangs have no problem lying through their teeth about everything, but get angry if a TG does the same to them.

12. Farangs think it's immensely unfair if a Thai prostitute tells a story to try to get more money from them, but don't find it unfair to pay her a fraction of what she asks for in the first place, or tell her he'll see her again, keep her waiting, and then not show up. At home, these same farangs would bill someone who did this to them. At home, in their own businesses, these same Farangs tell immense lies to their customers about how much they care about them, when all they care about is keeping their business and getting as much of their money as possible.

13. Farangs think that short-time means "until I can't get it up any more" and long-time means "until I'm tired of you being here" and find anything else proof that a TG is hostile and scheming.

14. What a Farang ought to be paid for doing something and what a Thai ought to be paid are two vastly different things.

15. Farangs will go on and on about how they're open and accepting, but they will apply every possible longstanding stereotype about Asians (scheming, ignorant, untrustworthy, heathens, clever but pompous) to the Thais they meet, and most particularly to Thai prostitutes.

16. Farangs feel that if there's not a sex scene, a place in Thailand isn't the least bit worth visiting.

Again, there's a high degree of tongue-in-cheek here, but I also think there's at least a kernal of truth in each of these as well...

JuiceSpike

05-10-03, 20:35

Joe,

Yes, I'm sometimes as you wrote "rather unrelentingly cynical" and this keeps me awake when I go to Thailand's "scene." And sometimes I'm hostile but it is a rather hostile scene, subtle and not very subtle, when you think about it.

I like your take on things but you approached it from their point of view. Not sure if it is a girl's view or Thais in general. Looks like both. Clever. Anyway, your view is quite cynical but in a different way than mine. I get it.

One thing you should keep in mind is that all my comments and my opinions I make in this website are in context with the discussions in here. I do have an entirely different opinion about Thailand outside the "scene." I know a few Thai men and "regular" girls which I share a totally different experience with. I love Thailand for different reason and not all have to do with the "TG hookers". For sure.

Yeah, I pay to use them. When I'm done with them I PAY THEM TO LEAVE. Let me know if your approach is any different.

You had some good, funny points. To everybody in here: don't take me too seriously.

juice.

The Traveler

05-11-03, 00:15

joe_zop :

Very nice posting.
Long story short : Guys, be fair to the girls, not stupid but fair.

Skinless

05-11-03, 03:51

Juice: Did you get burned? You sound like Zeldpussya and some of your lines are direct quotes from the sage of Korat Park.
Freeler: You will not be burned. My Isaan business partners will give you a good and honest if somewhat over priced wife. I am sure they and outfits like them are some way genuine - though their business plan seems to have a lot of holes and their mail order catalog specimens are on the plain side. Great site to look at.
I should not say this but if you want a cheap wife - and you are a cheap Charlie - , go to Isaan and shop around yourself. Although you will still get stung for the small dowry (small??), it does raise a key question.
WHAT IS THE CORRECT PRICE?
The guys getting stung big time are recently widowed, divorced etc and being caught on the backlash or just plain stupid guys/losers. So, here we go again.
What should we pay? Am I wise to invest my September fortnight in just fucking in Korat Park or should I be trying to buy myself a back up wife? Of course, maybe Freeler - or Samas for that matter - could marry one and rent her out to the rest of us. That way, everyone's a winner.

Freeler

05-11-03, 08:09

Skinless,

What a relief to know that they are your associates:D!

Cheap Charlie would 'buy' a wife from one of many refugee centres - here we don't say 'camps' - at home.
What do you want: Iraqi, Afghani, Sri Lankan perhaps? Or from Somalia - didn't David Bowie have a Somalian wife, cheap Charlie!
Maybe Charlie will wait until things go sour in Brazil - refugees straight from the Copacobana!
There are still plenty of potential wives in Nicaragua and other civilwar torn countries - you should have paid attention in history class instead of eyeing out-of-your-reach Nancy all the time!

Any refugees in Japan?

Joe Zop

05-11-03, 15:13

No worries, Juice -- I know from your other posts that your're not simply hostile or overly cynical any more than I'm simply a tender-hearted romantic fool. I just feel at times that laying down the safety rules for newbies overwhelms looking at the "subtle and not very subtle" aspects of the scene.

As I said I don't necessarily disagree with any of your points in terms of them containing truth, but when they're presented in such stark ways the overall impression is almost of walking into a terrifying situation full of nothing but vampires out to drain you. I mean, every time I'm in LOS, I'm not fending off parasites -- I'm having a great deal of fun! We all know that in the same way my little take on farangs is an exaggeration and doesn't apply to everyone, the same is true of blanket statements about the Thai sex scene. (Like your post, you can find most of what I wrote in various places in this forum in one form or another.)

So I don't know that I agree that it's a hostile scene -- I think it's what you make of it. Unlike Z and you, I don't pay to make them leave -- I pay to compensate for services rendered and time invested. (In some cases, in fact, I pay them to stay -- I've found at times that having this or that woman bustling around or hanging out in the background doing nothing important helps me work.) I like women, I like having them around whether I'm in the midst of screwing them or not, I like talking to them, and I like it even if it's a variation on the same story I've heard a hundred times (heck, that's true of all of us, by and large.) One of the things I love about the Thai sex scene is that it's not simply sexual, it's sensual and gives the illusion of being personal as well. Yes, that's where people can get messed up -- by forgetting that it's an illusion -- but that's also an arena of great possibility. My main objection to the 3F method is that if it's a pro forma dictum, it's one that leaves out a fair spectrum of the interesting. 3F is useful, it's a very safe and smart approach, but sometimes here it's treated as if it's a religion and anyone who doesn't closely follow its precepts is automatically going straight to hell.

JuiceSpike

05-11-03, 15:39

Joe,

I often if not all the time laugh or have a big smile on my face when I write in here... I of course exagerate certain things so some people in here pay attention... You wrote:

'As I said I don't necessarily disagree with any of your points in terms of them containing truth, but when they're presented in such stark ways the overall impression is almost of walking into a terrifying situation full of nothing but vampires out to drain you."

Well, sometimes it is a bit stark and scary... I love your line: "the overall impression is almost of walking into a terrifying situation full of nothing but vampires out to drain you..."

Maybe the above will make guys think hard with their heads (the one mounted on their shoulders) when they get to Bangkok's airport for the first time: "shit, whatch out for the vampires!" Tip: if you take a taxi to downtown ask the driver to turn on the meter and tell him you have been to Thailand many times. This will eliminate the first vampire you will encounter...

There is a lot more to Thailand besides being one large brothel. Right?

juice.

Joe Zop

05-11-03, 17:54

Amen to that. I mean, the bottom line is that unless you're a complete lunkhead, even if you do get taken advantage of it's generally on a laughably small scale. Even if you're a fool with that taxi driver, the drive from the airport to the hotel will probably still end up costing you less than it cost to get to your home airport. Let's keep in mind that for most of these "vampires" their concept of a big score is less than what some of us make in an hour. Doesn't make it right, but still.

I'm obviously not advocating for people not to be careful, or to pay too much, but, hell, you're on a vacation! If you spend all your time worrying about getting ripped off it's hard to have a good time. Being relaxed, with your radar switched on and checked casually for potential pitfalls as you go along is the order of the day -- not obsessively approaching everyone you meet (and meat) as though they're out to steal from you. Yes, get away from bad situations, and don't be a fool, but don't go crazy about it.

I've seen so many tourists expend massive effort in "winning" the bargaining process, so they save a couple of dollars, and getting all worked up and angry in the process (it's sometimes astonishing -- I watched an Englishwoman berate a vendor for ten minutes with, "Look at my fucking face, do I look stupid? Are you telling me I'm completely fucking stupid, you horrid fucking little man?" over the guy adamantly wanting 200baht too much for some luggage) instead of just having fun, and I just don't get it. I'd much rather overpay a slight bit and have a good time than work myself up over getting to the low end of the going rate and spending all my time making absolute certain that I'm getting every ounce of what I pay for. And that doesn't mean I won't pick my bars by where the beer is reasonable as opposed to overpriced, same with hotels, TGs, etc., just that I'm gonna make damn sure I enjoy that beer no matter what as opposed to getting worked up because it was 20baht more than I thought it would be. If the price bothers me, fine, I won't come back. Same same with TGs.

I mean, the bottom line is still that I can get stinking drunk anywhere in LOS for what it costs for two rounds at one of my favorite local places, and I can keep two TGs with me for a whole week for what I've paid in an hour for mechanical sex with a prostitute in, say, NYC or Vegas.

JuiceSpike

05-12-03, 01:37

Samus,

I have already started writing a guide (to be translated into 30 languages) for new guys arriving to Thailand. It will not only be for newbies but for all guys that need a constant reminder or just to refresh their memory. Maybe you can contribute with a chapter about the 3Fs with illustrations for the guys that do not understand words very well. Can you draw?

Joe,

I will obviously need a person to contribute a less cynical approach to make the guide balanced and well informed. I wouldn't want to just scare the shit of newbies stepping into the "zone."

I have a distribution strategy already in the works. This will be done by cute girls on street corners and entrances to major adult entertainment places (girls are avaiable for practicing principles of the guide upon request). I will also set up distribution for hotel rooms in major cities and towns were TGs are doing their thing. I will not touch Korat because Skineless has already taken over that market in more than one way. Korat is for Skinless. He can do his thing there.

I'm still looking for other business partners and advertising sponsors for this venture. Please contact me. (I'm working on hooking up a biz phone line in small but nice space on the third floor of Nana Plaza. The lease has been negotiated. Offices and a waiting room are being built as of this writing.) Now, I have to figure out what the price of the guide will be. Pricing is important. I have letters of intent from the Thai police to leave the business alone. Well, I'm still negotiating the monthly payment for their services. There is a little snag with how the Thai police is defining "services."

Also, I'm planning on a weekly three hours workshop for newbies and others featuring special guest speakers with experience in the "scene." At the end of the workshop, we will take all the guys to the Eden Club (working on a package deal with Mark, the owner) to unwind a bit. After that, the group will be cut loose at NANA Plaza. The guide and workshop will guarantee one thing : No refunds.

juice.

Dick Johnson

05-12-03, 03:59

Enterprising Juice. More power to you. I hope that the Thai girls distributing the magazine will not tear off Samus' chapter. They want us to be ignorant and keep sending them money.

-DJ

Joe Zop

05-12-03, 04:06

Hilarious, Juice!

Samus, it would indeed be interesting to go back through the archives and pull out various priceless nuggets. Glad you liked the piece -- it was fun to put together.

Track Addict

05-16-03, 05:03

I'd much rather overpay a slight bit and have a good time than work myself up over getting to the low end of the going rate and spending all my time making absolute certain that I'm getting every ounce of what I pay for.

I mean, the bottom line is still that I can get stinking drunk anywhere in LOS for what it costs for two rounds at one of my favorite local places, and I can keep two TGs with me for a whole week for what I've paid in an hour for mechanical sex with a prostitute in, say, NYC or Vegas. [/i][/QUOTE]Now THAT deserves an AMEN my brother. All I can say is that I went to Thailand twice in the late 90's and I have been living on the memories ever since. You guys that can go on a continuing basis are the luckiest men on the planet. When I left, my skin itched from all the soap, I couldn't believe what had just happened to me and how little it cost.

SexReview

05-18-03, 16:17

Originally posted by Track Addict

All I can say is that I went to Thailand twice in the late 90's and I have been living on the memories ever since. You guys that can go on a continuing basis are the luckiest men on the planet. When I left, my skin itched from all the soap, I couldn't believe what had just happened to me and how little it cost. [/i]

Track Addict,

Life is just to short to put things off and wish for other things. You just need to make the time and take the trips to Thailand. Next week will be the fourth trip that I have made in the last seven months to Thailand. It is just a matter of putting things in order and doing it. With the travel prices as low as they are now everyone should book a trip.

Sexreview

Dinghy

05-18-03, 21:20

hey, review, what makes you think we WANT competition? <smile>

SexReview

05-19-03, 01:17

Originally posted by dinghy
hey, review, what makes you think we WANT competition? <smile>

dinghy,

Don't look at them as competition, look at them as reinforcements.
Or as just self protection, to many girls and not enough guys, doing several girls a day is hard work!! When I get back from a trip I need a vacation from the vacation!! 72 hours from now I will be back in Pattaya, again...

Sexreview

Dinghy

05-19-03, 02:21

review - might be nice to get together for a beer - I arrive in BKK Friday at midnite and Pattaya probably Saturday PM some time. BTW - I have a difficult (don't want to say "hard") tme dealing with more than 1 per day so reinforcement isn't necessary. <grin>

SexReview

05-19-03, 12:37

Originally posted by dinghy
review - might be nice to get together for a beer - I arrive in BKK Friday at midnite and Pattaya probably Saturday PM some time. BTW - I have a difficult (don't want to say "hard") tme dealing with more than 1 per day so reinforcement isn't necessary. <grin>

dinghy,

I will be in Pattaya several days before you, which hotel will you be staying at? I will be on Soi 8 as is my normal plan when in Pattaya, a little noise but who sleeps before 2:00am when in Pattaya and the location is central to all. Post your email address and I will contact you.

Sexview

Skinless

05-19-03, 12:54

Sex Review, dinghy: Please put your Pattaya etc posts on the Pattaya board. Thanks

Samas: Why do you hate Pattaya so much? What was her name? Dud she laugh at your ham leg. Tell Uncle Skinless.
Hey, I should be trawling Korat soon. I might set up shop there or in Buriram (Jackson wil lprobably now give that a section). Whio knows? I might take an innocent walk in the park and fall in love. Any comments, Samas?

Joe Zop

05-20-03, 07:55

Amen, Samus -- luck sure as hell has nothing to do with Pattaya. If you're there and you can't hook up, you've simply got to be one of the biggest losers the world has ever produced. That's like going to the mall with a full wallet and not being able to buy anything. I completely agree with your take on the cultural aspects, though I will say there's some very nice countryside once you move outside of Pattaya itself, as there is in so much of LOS. But most people will never get there since there's nothing much beyond people living their lives.

The bottom line in Pattaya is that you can't fall down without finding some woman who's willing to catch you for a price. That's one of the reasons the place is so popular, as that's also the extent of effort many want to put in. Myself included, at odd times.

Dinghy

05-20-03, 13:29

Skinless (sorry Joe for the "slur") - sorry, I was trying to make sense of context and keep a conversation going in a single thread. Since I didn't know how long he was going to be in BKK, I just left it there. Review, I'll answer on Pataya board.

Joe Zop

05-20-03, 14:57

Wasn't me complaining, Dinghy. I could probably tweak Skinless for complaining about a Pattaya post not in that section, and then requesting info on Korat here now that it has it's own nice shiny new section, but I won't :D

Skinless

05-20-03, 15:14

i am glad you are going to behave yourself mr zop. i am asking about thai women, sme of whom live in korat (a useles place for sex as stickamn says - see my post in the korat section).

i was trying to have an intellectual converstation with ex korat dude samas aran who seems to be fixated on speedos, big macs and not so much enamored by big breasted thai hookers. whast is wrong with the guy? who broke his heart? will she break mine when i trawl through the park too?
thanks for your advice on the techie matter. i shall back channel you on that. i should be in los twice more b4 the end of the year. much of that time wil lbe spent in korat, far away from the wanton women you losers spend your time with. i shall be discussing intellectual matters and bringing my yabba lovin hired holes swimming in the pool saturday afternoons with good ol' samas, the hooker's speedo totin teddy bear.

The Traveler

05-20-03, 18:30

Samus Aran :

I disagree with your assumtion that luck has nothing to do with fucking girls.
Since you love Korat that much you should remember the hotel that went down some years ago, due to the fact that some dumb architect or construction freak had the glorious idea to remove some of the reinforcement to create a greater ballroom, put a few more storeys on top and placed huge water tanks on the roof.

I had been in the massage parlour that was in the basement of the hotel pumping girls just the night before it went down.
That's what I call good luck :-)

JuiceSpike

05-20-03, 23:07

Feeling Lucky?

Luck + more luck = living for 95 years in good shape

Luck + more luck + more luck = Winning the lottery (spend it, you won't live forever)

Dollars + airplain ticket + horniness = trip to Thailand (winning the lottery is not required)

Dollars exchanged to Baht = Thai cash (no luck needed)

1,000 Baht = short time with Thai hooker (no luck needed)

1,500 Baht = long time with Thai hooker (no luck needed)

No money = no honey with a Thai hooker (you are now out of luck)

juice.

Dick Johnson

05-21-03, 04:40

LOL. Juice.

How about good genes + healthy lifestyle = 95 years
Of course having good genes is luck.

Nana/Patpong suck/fuck = No luck, just bucks

getting a great session = a bit of luck, not much.

scoring some model types = big bucks

scoring a non-pro girlfriend = good luck.

In Thailand out of bucks = stuck

-DJ

PosterLion

05-21-03, 20:55

DJ,

"scoring a non-pro girlfriend = good luck."

I couldn't agree more. :)

I think I'm hitting TJ this weekend. Hopefully I'll make it back to Thailand in July for the birthday party.

cheers man!

Skinless

05-25-03, 13:56

The BB one has changed her hotmail password and so I can no longer monitor her. I think it is a sad day when people no longer trust each other.

On advice, I have read Manonthe street's great Phuket post. It looks like 200bt is the cheapest he got. My best was in Nong Khai: 2 bonks for 200 bt by two different providers in my room. Has anyone else got really good deals, not just accidental freebies or accidental cut price ones? I wonder waht the Thais pay.

Freeler

05-25-03, 14:12

Skinless,

Email the gorgeous BB one and ask her for her new password.
Might just work:)...

Joe Zop

05-25-03, 14:32

Clearly, Skinless, it is either a ploy to get you back or a new boyfriend taking control...

Jaimito Cartero

05-25-03, 16:40

I think I've found the perfect women in most Thai girls. Mostly in the area of breasts. I realized as I came back and was in the Seattle airport. Women with huge (D, DD, DDD) breasts just totally turn me off.

Most of the girls I saw also had very little pubic hair. Some I could tell have shaved, but others just had 10-20 long strands. I'm not sure if I got some weird ones or not.

If Thailand was as close as Mexico or Costa Rica, I think the whole country would be too messed up. I guess it's better that it's a little out of the "American monger" track.

Dinghy

05-25-03, 17:19

JC - you know what they used to say about boobs - "anything over a mouthful is wasted anyway" <grin> I DO like gumdrop nipples, though

also, for some reason oriental girls don't really have hairy bushes.

beats me why too, but it's probably genetic

Jaimito Cartero

05-25-03, 18:02

It's strange about the hairyness. I've seen lots of pics of Chinese and Japanese and most were normally hairy, if they weren't shaved.

I think I have to dive into this and research it some more. :)

Dick Johnson

05-26-03, 09:15

Posterlion thanks. Have fun. I wish I'd known earlier. If you stop by L.A. let me know.
I'm itching for a trip myself, dunno where yet.

The Traveler

05-26-03, 22:18

Skinless :

Has anyone else got really good deals, not just accidental freebies or accidental cut price ones? I wonder waht the Thais pay.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have been at places were you would never find a white guy (maybe just Freeler and me). Going rate for a ST was 50 baht. But these places were quite dirty to my standards, so I took her from behind, standing. This was over 10 yrs ago.

The average thai will pay 150 -200 baht ST as far as I know. Otherwise they would have charged me :-) A good place for that were the bars close to the petrol station at Naklua (close to Pattaya) at Suk highway. Don't know if they are still open.

On the other hand I have been around with thai guys who were willing to pay 10.000 baht and up LT. All depends on the places you monger and what social class you refer to.

Skinless

05-26-03, 22:48

Traveler: there are no 10,000 bt whares, only 10k bt Johns (and Freeler is not one of them!). The way to work out the farang premium is to first find what the ordinary local guy pays. We hit pay dirt in Phiutsanaluk and one or two other places. The range seems to be 150-200 bt so the rest is a farang/upscale premium. One of my oindest fucks was in KL where the provider bitched on about Bangladeshis (all BL readers don't flame me). I paid her 40 M$, they paid her 30 and insisted she do all kinds of contortions. See, the locals want their fantasies too: we just pay more for it, and a cleaner pair of sheets.

The Traveler

05-27-03, 20:41

skinless :

I referred to Freeler at the 50 baht portion of my post, not the 10k one :-)
Furthermore I didn't say, that I would be willing to pay 10 grand for a LT, I would rather take 10 girls at a time each 1.000.
But there are places were you would rarely find a white guy, and the thais are really paying that much. Some of these places are clubs were they even have catalogs to choose the girls from. At other places it works out like an auction (haven't found anything similar at eBay though :-( ), the highest bidder gets the girl, who is usually a dancer or singer.

My most expensive trip was to Happy World. We, 3 guys had 17 girls = 15.000 for each of us incl. girls fee, room (huge suite with dinner room, 2 bed-rooms, sauna), drinks, food etc. Pumping all day long until we needed infusions due to dehydration. Was really worth it. BTW, girls fee means just the fee for their presence, they got paid by hour. We had an agreement that each shot will cost an extra 500, which made up another 3.500 for me :-)

Jock123

06-03-03, 04:26

Joe_Zop,

It seems that you and I think along broadly similar lines. There's something I'd like to run past you before I post it. Would you care to drop me your email address, and I'll drop you a story? I'm at jock123@hotmail.com.

Appreciate it.

Jock

Freeler

06-07-03, 08:58

The_Traveler,

'maybe just Freeler and me'

At the same time? I doubt it!

I pay B100 minimum. I had an offer of just B50, but I paid twice that much.
Has anyone else ever DOUBLED the asking price?
No?
Cheap Charlies!

I bonked some chick in NongKhai and I didn't even take off my shoes - the floor was that filthy - but the fuck left me roaring anyway!
Any saliva she produced while sucking down my entire Freeler Kiddymaker was deposited on said floor, which was slippery from previous deposits.
The rats didn't seem to mind though. Nor did the cockroaches.

Firedick

06-08-03, 08:24

Freeler,

I was out at K11 and offered $4 to a girl as a tip just for hang'n out and being nice. So she insisted on "boinking" me. Does that count as doubling her asking price ?

DJ,

Got the pics, thanx.

FD

Freeler

06-08-03, 14:15

Firedick,

I read posts of folks paying $15 up at K11.
But if she had no asking price in the first place and you insisted on paying a massive $4... That's proof of your generous nature and pleasant personality, so you qualify!

Steve191b

06-09-03, 05:36

I've made love with women in the Philippines, Indonesia, and a few other countries, but not really Thailand.

I went to Bangkok to a legitimate massage parlor near Ko San Road. I paid B140 for 1 hour of traditional Thai massage with one of the women there. I like the way they put their bare feet on your arms, and other places.

We liked each other. She wanted to go to a private room. I agreed. Near the end of the massage, she masturbated me. She also kissed me in Thai style, like rubbing noses, or pressing or rubbing her nose against my face. I didn't pay any extra.

I heard that there has been a crackdown by the new government. A girl in Mae Sai was afraid to have sex in a massage parlor. They shut down the all night parties on Ko Phag Nan Island.

I'd like to ask a question about some of the more experienced posters. What kinds of jobs do they have that permit them to live in foreign countries, Marketing, MBA, stockbroker, etc? I have worked in the past in America as a computer programmer and in Taiwan as an English teacher and I'm considering making a career change. I'd like to make 6 figures, like one of the posters.

Firedick

06-09-03, 17:39

Well...just so you guys don't think I'm a total cheap charlie. I was done for the day and just hang'n out. I'd spent all my money except the $4. I didn't think I could go again but she acted like that was a challenge. She knew was I broke. Maybe she was hoping for a future payday. I'll post a jpg of her when I find which cardboard box it's in.

On on,

FD

Skinless

06-12-03, 17:18

cebu and others: i have a problem (as always). it concerns my big and little heads (as always). a charming, sexy lady i have met on yahoo has invited me to cebu to see if we really love each other. she is a good catholic, which is fine by me. she plans to pick me up at mainila airport and check into a manila hotel with me b4 we drive back to cebu. i have spoken by phone to her and she sounds nice and innocent. just like me in fact. cebu and others: am i being set up to be bumped off or robbed? the conversation was going well tonite till the money and her money troubles came up. seems she has a big car bill (a filipinno water buffalo equivalent) and god and/or john skinless seem the only way out. wtf is she driving a car to manila except to bump me off or simply drug and rob me. wtf has she a car if she is broke and has money troubles from a former foreign bf?

please help a worried js who wants nothing more than a nice sexy lady with nice tits who will not drug, rob, [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) and kill him.

thank you

JuiceSpike

06-12-03, 21:02

Skinless,

You have a problem. If you go to PI bring your body guards. Bring no cash but credit cards and if she is set for credit cards you are either fucked or you can start a car repair biz in PI with a new innocent catholic wife.

Better yet. Book your flight to BKK and get on a bus to Korat. The mayor there is ready to hand you over the keys to the city, the girls miss you too much...

Juice.

Cebu Local

06-14-03, 00:32

juicespike and skinless
i answered skinless in the cebu section along with FD s response,for the record there are lots of women who who hold regular jobs like food service workers,bank tellers etc who are have part time jobs as sex workers to earn extra cash,not all filipinas are either virgins or *****s,there are those who are a little bit of both,basically good girls who are not hookers,but are wild in bed hoping tom catch a foriegn boyfriend or husband,remember the difference between the thai and the filipino.the majority of thais would prefer to have a thai partner and are ashamed to be seen with a farang

the filipinos on the other hand according to a survey have 57% of all women in a philippine cosmopolitan magazine survey prefering a foriegner,we are trophies for them to show off.regarding the safety concerns,I have suggested for skinless to rent a car and driver from a reliable firm like hertz philippines or avis etc,he can rent one for 50$ a day,this way he has not to always watch over his shoulder and the guy will have enough street smarts to know if skinless is being set up.by the cebu is an island about 650 km south of manila,kinda hard to drive there,it is a 20 hour trip including the ferries regards

Firedick

06-16-03, 08:24

CL,

Bingo.

FD

Doctor_Skank

06-30-03, 21:45

I am foreign to the Thailand section, I haven't been to the LOS in about 3 years...too long!

Have a question though, and maybe someone can help. When I was there, I spent two days with a girl whom I since suspect was a fully-altered katooey, even at the time. Her tits were too perfect, but "she" did have a pussy.

I'd like somebody to check out a picture of her (sorry, it is not a nude one) and tell me if she looks like a katooey.

Doesn't matter to me really, she was beautiful and great in bed, I'm just curious.

Mail me at doctor_skank@hotmail.com and I'll send the picture. Thanks!

Philo

07-03-03, 07:32

PUSSY PREDATOR I

A couple of months ago I had the best days of the last 20 years with a young stunner in Patong (20 yo freelancer about 14 on a scale from 1 to 10). Me being a newbie, the trick ofcourse worked out fine for her. Cash, mobile phone and gold.... But you have to learn from somebody.

After I finished with her because of too many lies - realizing it was all illusions - I called her two weeks ago. I felt ready to see her again as a 'paid friend'. We had a good time in Phuket.

After she realized that I wasn't hooked anymore, she started the 'I want to marry you' project. This not working out - she starts the 'All problems will be resolved if we go to farang-country' tale. Of course she's speaking in vain....

But now things are starting to get interesting: She slowly make me realize she wants to marry me proforma in order to get a visa. She offers me 50% of her gross income to set her up in an appartment in the capitol of my home country - from which she will work as a luxury prostitute (not a bad idea - I'm shure she'll make B 6000-12000 a customer anywhere in Europe).

Well - there you are. I still miss the 'old' Nan.

The 'new' one has really made an impact on my view on Thai women......

PosterLion

07-03-03, 07:44

Hello all fellow mongers and TG aficionados. Has anyone ever gone to Bangkok to stay with one girl at her place before? I never have but that is exactly what I am about to do on July 21st, this 2000 and three.

I was in Thailand back in April (my 3rd trip... newbie here) and I had some amazing experiences as probably anyone did that went there or lived there at that time. One of the girls I met is still in my mind. What can I say? I have become attached to her. I met her on ICQ before my trip. I already had my tickets and was looking forward to a week of bliss in the mongering scene. I ended up meeting her at Siam Center at Starbucks one night. We had dinner, went to the Hard Rock afterwards to buy my sister a T-shirt, and then took a cab to Khaosan Rd.

After two hours of drinking she asked me if I would take her to my hotel where we could talk in quiet. I agreed. We had sex that night and spent the next three days together. I can’t say I really liked her that much after the three days but later, I started to like her a lot. She’s never asked me for money and I’ve never given her any. But I have to say I’ve been spending about $150 to $200 a month talking to her on the phone. She has near perfect English. She understands all those crazy poems I was posting on here after my last trip. I quit posting them on here but I still send them to her and the 196 girls in my email list. It’s my hobby or MO, so to speak. :)

Hmmm. She has quite an Internet following as well, many fans. She was telling me how some fan sent her a bunch of books by a famous female British author the other day. I’m pretty sure she may have slipped the snake for money before but she’s never asked me for a monetary contribution. Though sometimes when I call her, she can’t talk, you know, won’t tell me anything like I love you or I miss you. The last time this happened I just said, “Hey, is this a bad time?” She told me yes and I said no problem, just call me on a good time. She called the next day and told me I was cool for having the attitude I had when she couldn’t talk. I said no problem.

She says, “call anytime you want,” and most of the time it’s cool but... Maybe four times in three months she has had that; “I can’t say anything,” attitude. To me that means there is a boyfriend or a client. I can’t really complain. It’s not like I haven’t been to Mexico or an AMP or a strip club since I left her in Thailand.

It looks like my next residence will be somewhere near Soi 70 and Sukhumvit. Maybe I should post this in the Bangkok Hotel section. Hell, I can’t figure out where to post this thing! 1) Post it in the Bangkok section. It’s where I’m going to be. 2) Post it in the Living in Thailand section. I know I’ll be staying in a Bangkok apartment with fans only. The Internet is 20 Baht per hour in this neighborhood, etc. I hope I can cope with no Aircon. 3) Post it in the Thai Women - Opinion & Advice section. What the hell am I getting myself into?

Personally I think this belongs in number 2 and number 3 the most, because i will be living in Thailand with a Thai girl, if only for a week. On the other hand I think it belongs in the Bangkok section. Anyone that spends too much time here will end up like me. :)

But I won’t know till I get there and I’m going! What else is there to say? Amazing Thailand? Land of Smiles? Tropical Fever? White boy in trouble? Who knows! It sounds like a reality TV show. Can he go to Thailand and only poke one hole? Will he poke at all? Or will he get poked? Tune in at channel five on prime time Wednesday to find out...

Jon50

07-04-03, 12:42

Go for it poster, and enjoy your new relationship. Yea those Thai women are something. I thought I was in love a couple times but everytime I go out alone I fall in love again. Brand new. Even if they're faking it, that's what I'm paying for and gives me great pleasure.

SeattleGman

07-04-03, 21:04

And the rest of the story...originally posted in the Bangkok section, but I thought it was more appropriate to post here.

Well, as some fellow posters indicated, don't expect "free" is "free". Although my experience was somewhat different. I paid this girl each encounter, but she started treating it like a relationship. She starts calling me during the evenings, and admitted she was checking on me to see if I had gone out to the bars. Two times she called while I was having sex with another girl. I told her that I was angry with her and wouldn't see her again for doing that. Turned out to be more hassle than I wanted. The sex was good and I paid her like every other girl, but she started acting crazy on me. Good lesson learned for me. I made sure I made no promises to any of the girls at the advise of everyone. Thanks all for posting your experiences. That advise was valuable in keeping some of the girls at bay. Many of them wanted me to call them and I said I couldn't promise. They all understood that I was just being honest and respected me for that.

Originally posted by SeattleGman
I had an interesting experience this weekend in Bankok. I went to a beer bar at Soi 7. It is simply called "Beer Bar" as far as I can tell. I was having a beer and speaking to a bar girl when a rose ended up in front of me. Thought it was someone trying to sell me a rose. I look across the bar and a girl is waiving at me. She has a bundle of roses soaking in a cup so I knew it was this girl. I didn't know what the heck was going on so I just ignored her. After about a half hour or so, a girl comes up and says that is her friend and wants to meet me. I finish my beer and go over to her. Says her name is Honey and she is just here with her friend and is not a working girl. From what I gather, sounds like she is from a rich family with her chinese dad living in Hong Kong and her mother Thai, but divorced. After chatting with her for a while, I take her back to my hotel. The sex was incredible to say the least (best I had so far). A real screamer. Stayed with me the whole night. In the morning she asks that I pay her something. I give her 1000 baht. She says she only expected 700 baht.

Anyone have a similar experience? Or is this a common routine in Bangkok? I was more than glad to pay her, but it was awkward after she told me that she was not a working girl and her story about coming from a rich family. She was sexy in her own way, but with the competition in this bar, I would probably not have picked her up...but I'm glad that I did.

JuiceSpike

07-07-03, 02:51

Hello all,

Just got back from a 2 week trip to Bangkok. Thai women love to fuck. Pros and non-pros. The non-pros give it out for real and you don't pay but they expect you to be their boyfriend on day two. I met with 2 non-pros but I had to drop one because she was getting silly with the demands for my time. The other one turned out to be very sweet and beautiful. She allowed me to fuck other girls 2 times but then put a stop...

Pros (some) love to fuck but it helps to get them in the mood by talking and teasing them. It works well. They of course get paid to leave and everyone is happy. I got several phone numbers from really good (bar/freelance) girls but had to destroy them at the request of the non-pro who gave me an ultimatum. I had a back up list of some of those numbers.

If any of you meets a non-pro be warned that these girls are for real. They love to have a good time but they get attached as any regular woman would. Respect this and be honest about your intentions to avoid hurting an innocent by- stander. I got lucky meeting a special 25 year old educated woman. We had great times including going to go-go bars to rate the girls and chat with them..... She almost allowed me to take one but changed her mind... It made her too jealous.

Many good times. Some drama but no scenes. The more you get to know about Thai women the better it gets.

juice.

Marauder

07-09-03, 01:36

Juice Spike is right. I just got back from Thailand for the first time. I spent 5 weeks there and only had one experience with a Pro. I was also with 2 girls I met on the internet, and 1 more I didn’t have sex with, just as far as 69 several times.

Thai girls are pretty easy. If you are nice and have some personality you can probably get some. Try to be honest like he said, and don’t let them trick you into anything you don’t want to do. I think they lie a lot and probably have several boyfriends. But most are happy to spend time with you, show you around, and even have sex after a few days. Just buy them dinner and they are happy.

I met my non-pros on http://profiles.yahoo.com I just searched for girls from the city I wanted to visit who were online at the time.

In Bangkok I met Arm, a 19 year old University student, who I did the 69 with. She went with me to Koh Chang, did lots of shopping with me and was generally a great friend. Arm is from a good family, and offered to (and actually did) pay for meals often.

In Pattaya I met Aui, a 24 year old who worked at an internet café. She was so busy, I only saw her after 11. She was very nice and I really liked her. I even trust her. She was probably my favorite and I though about staying in touch with her. But I have an online journal, and I didn’t mention her cause I didn’t want to make Arm jealous, and she read about Arm and became jealous, lol, so she got angry and stopped talking to me. This makes me believe more that she was genuine. She is the cutest girl I was with, good in bed, but I did not take any dirty photos of her.

In Phuket I met JoJo. She was 23 and just graduated from college. She was working at a hotel not far from mine. She was cute, but I think she is your typical Thai girl. She pretended to fall in love fast. I didn’t fall for it. But she was fun, she showed me the best seafood restaurants, and even went to a gogo with me (see the phuket section, whow!).

I asked JoJo if she would come to Koh Phi Phi with me (she used to work at a hotel there). She said maybe. A few days latter she was acting all weird, like she wanted to tell me something. I figured she wanted to tell me she loved me or wanted to fuck me or something so I playfully pushed. I think she took the opportunity to make up a story, she told me she had some money problems, her parents own a farm in the north and need to hire people (is it even harvest season). So I gave her 7000 baht. I knew I was being had but it was ok. After that she told me that she wanted to go to Koh Phi Phi with me. A few hours latter we had sex for the first time.

She was very good, and very accommodating. She loved to please. We did it probably 2-3 times a day.

She showed me the cool places in Koh Phi Phi (Such as Viewpoint, and the best place to snorkel). But she took me to dinner at the hotel she used to work at, and I think she gorged me there. She would order 3 dishes (like 2 crabs, 300 grams of barracuda, and a bucket of muscles) and lots of beer, and only eat a fraction of it. Not sure why she did that. I don’t mind paying 1250 for a meal, in the USA that is common (cheap even). But it was becoming more clear what she was doing. She would go to her friends stores (she knew EVERYONE there) and pick things out (earrings, 7 CDs (admittedly cheap ones), a bathing suit, a few shirts, a beach towel…) and every time she just expected me to pay. Ofcourse I did smiling… but I knew I was being had.

She lied her fair share too, she told me she had 4 people on her buddy list for yahoo, it was more like 40, haha, and I read some emails over her shoulder, all saying I love you, I miss you…. I wasn’t angry cause I never planed on being with this girl more then 2 weeks, but I knew she lied. : ) And she even vainly tried to convince me she still loved me… hehe.

She did bring me to her friends house. They had a very small space with no electricity, and she had 4 month old son. This melted my heart, he had a little blanket to sleep on on the floor… So I was happy to go shopping with JoJo for a decent bedspread/blanket for the baby, several outfits for only 69 baht, some bread and milk. I didn’t want to give it to them directly, so I put 1500 baht in an envelope and gave it to JoJo to give to them. I don’t know if she kept the money or not but at least he got the stuff.

Also she was very childish when we didn’t do what she wanted to. She is not impressed by the beach and all cause she used to live there. But as my time was running out, I wanted to go to bed early so I could wake up before 2 pm and enjoy a day splashing around in our pool and enjoying the topless sunbathers that abound. So when I wanted to leave Reggae club after the kickboxing show, she got all mad. I was seriously like, you can stay, dance, no problem. Really! I left and saw an internet café and decided to stop by real quick on the way home, and I didn’t know she was behind me, she was all mad at me cause I told her I was going to the hotel. She held a grudge all night! I think a lot of Thai girls are childish like that. Some people think it’s cute. It just makes me more sure I don’t want her.

She pretended to cry when I left, I was like come on! I was pretty happy. I gave her 500 baht for a taxi and I went to the Airport. When I got to BKK she emailed me saying while she was gone someone broke into her apartment and stole her cell phone and the money I gave her. I know she had some of that $ with her.

I didn’t fall for this. But my conclusion:

Be very careful about Thai girls. They are good at making you feel special, but they have had lots of foreign guests, probably have a few pen pals, and are just trying to better the lives by any means necessary. The only problem is that they ignore their emotions to better their lives, and they will probably ignore yours too. Some like Arm and Aui are worthwhile, but I think most of them are like JoJo.

Sorry about typing so much! Want to see the photos? http://******************/thaimarauder Enjoy

Osakagin

07-09-03, 08:06

Hi everyone.

I have been looking forward to my next visit to the LOS and Bangkok and recently I have been checking out internet sites for some Bangkok hotel prices.

The cheapest 3 star hotels in the Sukhumvit area that look reasonable are the:

Ambassador $26

Park Hotel $30

Manhattan Hotel $25

Jade Pavilion $27

City Lodge Hotel $33

I was just wondering if I could get some kind of a guide as to

1. what these hotels are like??

2. which is the best value for $??

3. most importantly which of these hotels are "girl friendly" for bringing back overnight guests??

4. if there any other similar hotels that would be better value and receptive to overnight guests??

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,

Osakagin

Taodan

07-09-03, 22:24

Originally posted by Samus Aran
MArauder:

Nice photos. Man your dick is small! I wasnt sure if she was sucking her pinky or what.

What did you expect form these girls? Was it any different than what SA has been telling others all along. Regardless where you meet these girls they are all the same. All little lying hos. It never changes. Sad to hear that you only plugged 3 girls. Next time do it the SA way...3f... 2 hour hump sessions and then move on out!

Samus Aran

SA,
How big is yours? He was doing us, WSG Forum members, favor by posting those pictures. Your comments will likely cause others don't want to post their pictures if they have.

Marauder

07-09-03, 23:19

Hehe, It is not that small! It is about 7.5 inchs, pleasently above average for the USA. I do have a big tummy maybe it was misleading. Lol thanks for the observation though! :)

Baby Huey

07-09-03, 23:41

Osakagin,

For good all around Hotel, with a great location and girl friendly go to Majestic Suites (majesticsuites.com)

Philo

07-10-03, 06:19

Originally posted by taodan SA, How big is yours? He was doing us, WSG Forum members, favor by posting those pictures. Your comments will likely cause others don't want to post their pictures if they have.

I certainly hope so......

Only sick people 1) claims that they stay with non working ordinary girls and 2) post photos of them on the web.

Even working girls that agrees to net publishing should be spared on human decency grounds.

One day you photo perverts will marry a Thai woman. And your karma will see to it that you find amateur photos of her with some bald fat stupid on the net.....:D

Why would anyone want to take photos of their dick and a *****?

Joe Zop

07-10-03, 06:34

Osakagin:

According to sanukmaps, Ambassador, Manhattan, Park, and Jade Pavilion are all girl un-friendly. Dunno about City Lodge. Bangkok tonight, however, lists Manhattan as girl-friendly. I've read that if you book a double at the Ambassador then there's no problem, but some people disagree.

Other folks may have other info, and I've never stayed at any of these places, but I've found Sanukmaps to be fairly reliable.

Jaimito Cartero

07-10-03, 08:25

I'd recommend the Majestic Suites for 1-2 week stays. Very courteous, great staff. I chatted with the manager, Bob, via email, and got a negotiated rate of 1200 baht per night for their mid level room. This included taxes, breakfast, etc.

I think if you were staying longer, you could get a better deal.

I'm going for a month in mid August. I'm going to check out getting an apartment for a month.

JuiceSpike

07-10-03, 13:51

hey guys, this section is about Thai women.....

Any "normal" Thai woman that agrees to have her picture taken having sex is not so "normal..."

I'm no expert but there seems to be different types of non-pros women in Thailand looking for something in Farangs they get involved with. There is the gold digger, the one that wants to just have a little fun, the one that is desperate to marry a westerner and it's not just looking for "money" gold but wants to live elsewhere and have a "normal" relationship, and the one that does not know where she falls in. I'm sure there are more types... Is no different than women anywhere else in the world.

Non-pros that are looking for something love with a westerner have a huge disavantage when it comes to competition. They know that any westerner going to Thailand he is not there to just enjoy the scenery, they know this guy loves Asian women and will butterfly if given the opportunity in a heart beat. They know this and accept this. They will tolerate a man seeing a hooker on occassion but will not accept the guy making the hooker his side kick. They accept the guy doing the 3Fs with some girl but not ever having contact with that same girl again. They will accept this as long as the guy does not make it his hobby every week. Of course not all women will accept this and hence many guys (mostly Thai men) get their dick cut off on a weekly basis in Thailand. Only Thai nwespapers cover this types of news...

I had a good conversation over lunch with a 32 yo woman (very nice looking and smart) that owned an internet shop that helped working girls with emails to farangs, getting visas, etc. Although she was very cautious not to reveal any trade secrets, she told me that some girls have a good heart and are "honest" but they are working to meet a "good man" that will take care of them.... She also told me that she allowed her ex-farang bf to have an occassional 1 or 2 hours session with a hooker so she could keep him. He went on to make one of these girls his second gf and got booted... She understood the whole scene with the Farang visiting Thailand to fuck women as just another aspect of what the country had to offer but was ashamed that so many girls had to do it to survive. She thought that the scene would never end as it has been around for a long time for Thai men...

juice.

Joe Zop

07-10-03, 19:29

Nice post, Juice -- I pretty much agree with you. I'd just add in the "need some money somehow" TGs, who really do know who they are, don't really have the pro mentality -- more like semi-pros -- who make a kind of mental separation between their pfp activities and the majority of their lives. They can either be majorly good to be with or the diametric opposite.

Skinless

07-12-03, 17:20

Hello, Skinless here in Tokyo. Those of you who followed my Tokyo positings will know I got an ok cbj from an odd lady some time ago for 2,000 yen (impossible in Tokyo). Well, I fucked her twice for 5,000 tonite: she would not fuck last time. She put my 5k note in the shower to be sure it was not a fake. She is a STRANGE lady: wears a face mask when on the beat and is scared shitless of being recognized. Before I picked her up, I got the cum on from a Korat lady of all places. Nice looker, English from the Nana School of Conversation but she was too hardened for me. Here is my naive question: why do they do it?why do they not just latch on to a John and ilk him/get out of the game. There must be some very odd synamics working in their head. The babe I fucked tonite is nice but will give out zero info. Her name is Flower (she does not say Kyoko or Yoko, only Flower). Very strgange people prostitutes. Oh, I am thinking of not going on tour in September. Too much hassle. It weill be Korat or nowhere if I do go. Any ideas.

Chikan

07-13-03, 00:15

Skinless,
How about a change a scenery within LOS. For example, Samui or Phuket etc..etc..?? Just an idea...

JuiceSpike

07-13-03, 01:08

Skinless,

You wonder why some of these hookers don't latch to a John and get out of the business?... well, maybe some of them really love to fuck different men and get pay for having a little fun... some of the them (including the beautiful ones) are as perverted as any guy in here... they get a kick out of being seduced and fucked as an object but you cannot have them...... but why would you want to anyway....

I run into a freelancer (young and pretty) on my last trip that was married to a brit for 2 months last December/January... it lasted only 2 months... why? she told me she could not stop fucking other guys.... she did stop driking alcohol and has a job now as a beautician/make up artists (saw her portfolio)..., she is sober (different person) but sits at the beergarden 2 times a week and guys drool for her... her strategy? she gives her phone number but does not go with them immediately but waits for them to call and turns them down unless the guy calls her at least three times... then she agrees to meet him... this way she charges around 2,000+ bt for short time and she gets it... why? if the guy calls her 3 times he really wants her. also she is now a bit more choosy... good marketing skills.... a somewhat perverted girl but she knows how to make better money and only on her terms. she went with me for 1,000 for old time sakes... not the same person.... then i blew her off, she was offended because i did not call her or talked to her next time we run into each other... i don't go for the princess like hooker unless she goes for free.... and that rarely happens...

Skinless, Korat misses you. go back there for another tour....

juice.

Skinless

07-13-03, 09:07

An old Thai friend of mine bbbj me today. Very nice. Why do they do it? I reckon many of them have serious "head" problems. They are not "normal" women. They work in a not "normal" job. I am sure people were asking that question 4,000 years ago and will be in 4,000 years time.

As regards Marauder's phtos (links on Pattaya site), they are of good educational value: to see what hos like to suck etc. I am currently viewing Indian/Jap etc porno and the "plot" is always the same: usually do a facial to end. These Thai ladies can do just as good. And to talk and copyright and Thailand in the same breath is to talk shit imho. I wonder how many liters of cum these ladies swallow over a lifetime's work.

Jaimito Cartero

07-15-03, 04:16

Skinless - I'm not sure what you mean about why do they do it?

Was it the BBB of the BJ that you question? Or that they would do a friend?

If you want to get psychological about everything, then many would say that *we* are freaks, and so are they. I mean, fly a 18000 mile round trip to screw a girl for $13? It doesn't make real fiscal sense.

I could drive two hours to Mexico and pay double that amount for more or less the same quality.

Ah, but how I love the Thai chicas.

Skinless

07-15-03, 14:03

Long time ago I used to talk about mermaids. SA: r u a merman? Have you no human interest? I find the whole thing about women selling pussy fascinating, better than paddling in a pool IMHO.
JC: you are right. I am a horny freak. That is why I am thinking of skipping a September trip. Too little time.
Man, I met this black beauty tonite. I think I am in love. Nw if only LOS had ebony ladies for me to love

MeatMan

07-15-03, 19:48

Originally posted by Skinless
Long time ago I used to talk about mermaids. SA: r u a merman? Have you no human interest? I find the whole thing about women selling pussy fascinating, better than paddling in a pool IMHO.
JC: you are right. I am a horny freak. That is why I am thinking of skipping a September trip. Too little time.
Man, I met this black beauty tonite. I think I am in love. Nw if only LOS had ebony ladies for me to love

Now that's right up my alley!! All the more reason why I'm coming to Thailand whoo hoo!! :D

LittleBigMan

07-21-03, 02:57

Before the regular's jump all over me! Like SA, Believe it or not!
This question is truly not for me!

Does anyone have information on DNA Testing? Is there facilities
in Pattaya? and how long does it cost and how long does it
take?

Thanks,
LBM

Skinless

07-21-03, 04:41

Little BM: Thank you for giving me such a hearty laugh. There is no need for DNA testing as they are all ladies and virgins in Pattaya as anyone here can attest. If you must: try the big hospital on Suk in Pattaya. Burumgrad in Bkk (q 39 in Q&A) would be a sure bet.

LittleBigMan

07-22-03, 04:06

SkinLess,
Thanks for the information, I want to laugh too, but the question was asked for my brother! I introduced him a few years ago to Thailand and he' never been the same. I'll make a long story short but she not a bar girl, laugh if you must. Met her through some friends in Thailand walking thru the flee market in Rayong!
They met 3 years and ago and became friends but did not get together until 2 years ago!

My brother is a great guy and wants to do the right thing. I feel kind of responsible and I know alot about her but since we are only in Thailand, six months out of the year, my brother has no doubts but I do just because it is the land of smile!

I going to try to get a DNA test for him, Now is this hospital across the street from Big C, International hospital! in Pattaya?

Leaving 22nd on Northwest! I'll check for answer when I get into
Bangkok.

Thanks,
LBM

Billy Baht

07-23-03, 04:55

Ah, but how I love the Thai chicas. [/i]Jamito,

Yes, you gotta love these Thai ladies. Before moving to Thailand, I always thought that Latinas were the "ultimate" in women (Latinas definately ARE sexy!)

But those large round dark eyes the Thai women have really get to me. Of course, having excellent, affordable Thai food, low cost of living and a warm climate all add to the experience.

Now if I can just relocate to Korat.

BB

JuiceSpike

08-03-03, 02:03

Thai women.

...Does anybody in here have anything to say about Thai girls/women? Any good or bad stories, experiences to tell?.... I mean, how many of you guys right now are getting fucked by those sweet innocent lying girls? How many of you out there feel blessed because you have found the girl of your dreams in Thailand?

C'mon, I know you are out there....

Some notes about my most recent experiment/experience with a non-pro internet girl I met on my last trip (she has a real job and does not go to Farang bars to pick up men, she works the net)... It has been a fun ride, and so far she has confessed to some interesting schemes she has pulled off on one guy... While crying on the phone, she confessed to a scheme she claims was not designed to use a guy in a "wrong way" but to help finance a better life for herself in the city of angels... Sometimes when she tells me of her little tricks I can't help to laugh because she tried one on me and I just told her to fuck off.... My response gained me some respect from her. She shared her emails she sent to a guy (just one guy got schemmed).... They are sweet emails about love, and loging for him followed by "honey, did you sent money already....?" I will be fair to her by saying that she is really looking for "true" love but when she does not find it she goes after the guy's money. Greedy little ****. I like her.

Without getting too cynical I would never, never trust a Thai woman unless I have full clereance on her past and present. It does not matter how beautiful or well educated and well manner she is.

If you push a Thai girl hard enough they will confess of their little schemes which by the way they never see it as steailng from a man in the name of "love...." Mothers of regular girls (maybe bars girls too) get involve in the process of selecting the right Farnag with the means to support the whole family if she marries him... This girl tells me about the conversations she has with her mother which surround about the daughter's "future" with the right Farang. Also, in middle class Thai families the woman runs the show when it comes to money, or they try very hard to do it. Thai men are seldom in control of their money. No wonder these guys get minor wives on the side.

The premise that a Thai woman marries a Farang for "just" money is acceptable and encouraged by some moms. It is the daughter's duty to provide for the family and a well to do Farang is welcome. In return, the woman will offer herself to be a house wife and provide sex at the husband's demmands and be a good mom... This is the pitch I got from her. When I told her that it was a good idea IF the deal allowed me to fuck whomever I pleased on the side... she repplied with this: "It's not like you buy me, you must respect me...." I said, "sorry, not buying you I meant leasing you...." At least she laughed.

You either hate them or just love them for what they are: Big liars. Sluts (in a good/bad way). Obviously, not every Thai woman is like this with Farangs. Just most of them.

juice.

PosterLion

08-03-03, 05:20

Juicespike,

Do you live in California? I'm thinking that I might have heard our dear sweet Thai girl telling you she was leaving you for me last week. Hmmm... This is not a belittlement, this is an acknowlegdement man. You are absolutely right man. They will confess everything if you ride them in appropriate manner. But this shit works both ways, even though the odds will be stacked in her favor until the day comes that women have to ask the man, it's still a fun ride, enjoy it. Well, that's another story and another life for someone that will not be us. But at least it was fun for me, when she said, "You are a brave man." And I said how so? And she said, "not many men confess their Mexican hookers to a Thai women. How was she?"

I said, " fair to midland." Then I explained that fair to midland was an expression that meant the cotton crop was better than average. then i showed her pictures of my beautiful Mexican muchacha. well, it wan't for revenge, trust me, revenge will get you nowhere with a thai girl. she looked at them and then put them back in my wallet, making sure her pictures were the ones on top. :)

life's a caberet my friend. don't worry too much about it. :)

Dana

08-03-03, 11:05

I'm gonna write a bit and then chill on posting for awhile...
Juicespike-
I'm guessing that you've been around awhile from the number of your posts, so you most likely know that it's not just the Thai women that are only after your money and are good liars.
I've heard that line from guys in every country from the Czech Republic to Russia, Ukraine, China, Phillipines, Taiwan, even the USA! In the Czech Republic, it's actually considered a part of thier culture to be able to tell a crafty lie and get away with it.

When I first went to Ukraine years ago all the foreigner guys I met over there were constantly bitching about the same kinda thing. I just figured that you can't really blame the girls or their families for thinking that way.
If you were a poor guy back home and you met a lady that was a millionaire, your family would probably be jumping for joy also.
Anyway, I guess i'm just stating the obvious now.

I've had wonderful relationships with Thai girls, but I haven't completely fooled myself like so many others that by sending them money you are keeping her happy and all to yourself. If you want to help a girl out of the kindness of your heart it's one thing, but if you're really wanting any kind of real relationship you'd better be willing to either move there or bring her home with you.

There are some Thai bargirls I know that have become really great friends, and I always stay with one of them in an apartment everytime I go there. They actually do call some of the guys that send them money their "boyfriends", but meanwhile they are still working, having fun, ect...

One poor guy from Russia actually took this bargirl home with him to meet his family and friends. I imagine it wasn't easy to bring her there. He most likely spent a small fortune on her also. Meanwhile, she is living back in Bangkok with some guy from the U.K. and still working at Nana almost every night. It was pretty sad...

I also know another girl who gets a crapload of money from this poor old guy who works for some Hi-tech company in England. He sends her these really heartfelt emails that she can't even understand because she can't read engllish very well at all! He wrote these dreamy, almost poetic letters about young love and taking her on vacation to Phuket and stupid crap like that. Do you really think a Thai bargirl wants to vacation in Phuket with some old man? You're only fooling yourselves! Anyway, I read all of his letters, and I actually felt really sorry for the old fool. This girl obviously thinks he is a really nice guy, but she could care less if he dropped dead tomorrow. I've said one thing before and I've gotten crap about it, but I have never met a working girl in Thailand that actually enjoyed going on those little mini-vacations to the Thai islands that so many of you guys love taking them on. You guys, please stop it. They hate it anyway, and you are seriously wasting alot of your hard-earned money.

Also, are you guys really calling them on the phone long distance? Do you like throwing your money in the garbage? Just make a check out to me for the amount you are wasting on phone calls! I hope you're just chatting on line....

JuiceSpike

08-03-03, 13:14

Dana,

I was not writing about a bargirl. I was writing about a "normal" girl. Bar girls are transparent as far I'm concern. No, I don't send money but I do play with her because she deserves it. I know it is a game, I play to win. Yes, the world is a stage and the Thais are good actors but not the best. Yes, I do make some calls and I have a good long distance rate with MCI. She also calls me and she has a good long distance rate too. No, I have never taking a bar girl on vacation, that makes no sense to me.

Being poor is not an excuse for lying to get money out of a guy, I call it stealling. A woman that puts her beauty and charm for "sale" it's not worth it to me but she is fun to take for a ride. She is risking to be used. Maybe I'm sadistic and she is a *****. We both get something out of it but I control the game. I used to have bargirls as friends but got bored with their lives. Soon I would imagine I will get bored with this game and find something new to do with my free time. No, I'm not a cold hearted bastard.

You are right, there are a lot of guys being fooled, some don't mind it and pay while others don't know what to do. Maybe by reading in here some will get wiser. I write to relate my experiences.

juice.

Chikan

08-03-03, 15:16

guys,
last year in cm i had an experience with a thai girl. read on. i was at a club/disco in cm when the 2am closing time approached, and the lights slowly were turned back on. since it was my 1st night there, i just decided to walk back to my guesthouse and goto bed. i had a good enough time in the club anyways.
so, i'm about 50 yards away from the club when a car pulls up(just a hyndai sport), and out hop 2 thai chicks who looked quite delicious and sexy (of course i was "slightly" hammered at this point). anyways, the driver says "where you go farang"? to which i replied "hotel". she goes, "come drink with us" (thinking i would say "no" i found out later?) but of course i did....we went to a place called "spicy" which was an outdoor eatery place which is open all night (we usually left there around 6am or so almost everynight). anyways, when i was sitting there, i couldn't figure out if both these chicks were on the take or what..but decided to play it cool(after all, they could be just "normal" girls). i actually wanted the driver but her friend obviously liked me and sat next to me...right next to me. if she sat closer, she'd be on me! anyways, this led to that...and b4 long i had my arm on her, around her, kissing her etc...i learned she was 19..! wow...welcome to cm! she didn't freak out or anything...it took me a few days to bang her, but i think that was because it was "[CodeWord132] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord132) time" - if you know what i mean. a guy from kuwait that i met that night in spicy wound up banging the driver.. but she wasn't easy at all....total cock tease! but he banged her! hehehe....
be patient...i'm getting to the point...anyways, we saw each other for the 1 week that i was there and things were cool. never asked for money once. met her mom, friends etc...she had an honest job working in a food court and wasn't a hooker... when i came back to "farangee land", we sent the sms messages, and i admitt that i called once in awhile to see how she's doing etc...things were going ok. then the subject of cash came up. "i need help..i lost my gold necklace that my mom gave me for my 19th b-day...if she doesn't see it at my b-day party on the 20th...she'll be angry". it went on and on. before this sms, i did send her a bit ($200.00), because i felt that since she spent so much time with me in cm (and never asked for a dime), it was fair. but it was obvious that she was getting "intel" about how to fleece "farangee" from friends etc...(or she was a good "pro" at 19!). i refused to send anything more. surprise surprise... the sms messages came to a grinding halt, phone calls went unanswered etc....i called her recently (for the hell of it), and her bf answered saying, "you no call her anymore...i'm her bf..fuck you"...haha...it sounded funny hearing him say that...that little pecker head. guess that's over....haha.
so, my point is this. caution is advised however you meet these girls. in my case, she was young (19), but knew the game, and knew it well. i do truely believe that she was honest in the beginning (during the emails, sms etc..) because she really wanted me to come back and spend time with her, but distance is what can kill relationships. she probably got advice from friends to "get what she could" and that's when it went downhill. like dana said, be prepared to live there or bring her back if you want any chance at it..or it just won't work (for a serious relationship). i still don't think that all these girls are out to "fleece" the farangee(meaning reg. girls), economic conditions unfortunately are at play. anyways, just my two cents worth....your mileage my vary....

JuiceSpike

08-03-03, 15:44

Chikan,

Good story.

juice.

Jaimito Cartero

08-04-03, 01:12

Chikan - You say you sent her a little, and then say $200. For a normal Thai, $200 is a a very good amount. 2 months income? For a filthy rich farang maybe not much.

I prefer to just tell them you just want to have fun. No real bf/gf stuff.

1Ball

08-08-03, 02:58

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dana
"I've said one thing before and I've gotten crap about it, but I have never met a working girl in Thailand that actually enjoyed going on those little mini-vacations to the Thai islands that so many of you guys love taking them on. You guys, please stop it. They hate it anyway, and you are seriously wasting alot of your hard-earned money."

I feel I must disagree with Dana”s comments about taking TGs to the islands. First let me say I have never done it, nor have I ever considered doing it. In my opinion, it is like taking “coals to Newcastle” as they say in England, or “taking sand to the beach”, as they say in the US.
However. Let us consider this: firstly, she will only agree to go off to the islands with you if she likes you. She is in control here, and if she doesn’t like you, she ain’t goin’.
The other thing is, let’s consider her options. Hang out at her
Go-go bar, or the Biergarten for the next 5 days, hustling sweaty, overweight, drunk slobs, or go off to the island with a guy she can at least stomach, relax, go shopping, and probably not have to spend too much time during the day with you, as you will be hanging out at the beach, and she has to stay as white as possible, or scuba diving. The only day time “tourist” activities she will have to endure is going to “James Bond” island or other similarly exciting activity !!!
After you have been with her a couple of days, the sex will go from 4 times a day to 2, and even though she probably isn’t expecting to earn 2,000 Baht per day with you, you might settle on 1500 or even 1000, it is a guarantee and a nice break from the loud bar, packed with horny falangs.
Put yourself in her shoes, what would you do?

1ball

Dana

08-08-03, 05:02

1ball-
you make some good points, but your logic does not apply at all when it comes to a Thai bargirls way of thinking. You are thinking what YOU would prefer, which is totally different than a bargirl.
It's simply NOT true that the girl has to like you in order to go with you away to some beach. That's total B.S.
They are only thinking that they'll probably make a little more money off you that way. I seriously can't tell you how many times I've heard bargirls complain about going with customers to Koh Samet, Samui, Phuket, ect. I'm not making this up, I've heard it over and over and over again. Also, the girls I know would laugh at you if you tried to pay them 1000 baht a day. You'd definitely have to pay them more than what they'd make at the bar, and also pay their barfine while they are gone. What a waste of money....Any really pretty bargirl is going to make more money going to her bar than going with some dork on a vacation anyway.

You are taking her away from her little apartment, her friends, her sisters(?), her food, shopping, TV, comics, ect.
It's bargirl logic man, it's not western thinking! You think they give a f*ck about going with a customer to james bond island??? hahahahaha. C'mon, get real..... They'd rather be sitting at home watching Thai TV and reading their comics. Somebody else just has to know this also...?

Also, most of the girls don't mind going to their bar night after night, and even go there to work anyway even if they have a night off.

1Ball

08-08-03, 10:17

Dana, you say tomato, i say tomatoe.
regardless, as i said B4, i have never even condidered asking a TG to the beach. i would be stuck with 1 girl, instead of sampling the local fare. it would be like going to LOS, and only eating pad thai.

OUT regarding this topic. it is a beautiful afternoon in Bali, i am going to the beach to watch the sunset with my Balinese girlfriend !!!

1 ball

PS. read my previous post. i never said she would like going to JB island, i said it would be one of the few tourist activities she would have to ENDURE.

Chikan

08-08-03, 17:57

Jaimito Cartero, point taken. I figure our crappy Cdn $$ here isn't worth that much...lol. Up until recently too (up until I phoned her and her bf answered), she was telling me, "I have no bf, I'm too tired after work, just go home and sleep" Then I call one day and guess who answers! Whoops! He wasn't too happy! Anyways, you're right, just say that you wanna have some fun and then no strings get attached - or broken.

Thai-1-on

08-08-03, 20:18

Dana & 1Ball,

Hey guys your both right. I have met very few bargirls who really just like thier job. It is about the $$$. Yet I know several who pay their own barfines NOT to have to go with customers. I see one on a fairly regular bases and I can call her anytime. She dances because it is a job where she can make enough $$$ to help her family and save to build a home for them. I've been seeing her for 6 months (along with others) and she has NEVER asked me for $$$ even though her mother is sick. I know her family now. When she is with me I pay her 1000 - 2000 per day whether in Bangkok, Pattaya or an island. I often take her for several days and I still see others. She is not real crazy about that because she likes the GFE-BFE.

She is not the only one that I know like this and there are many more that are so full of BS. I see a lot of bargirls as good ladies in a very tough situation. If I have a really good experience with someone I take them for a week or two sometimes. After all I'm there for a good time and a good experience. If ever any of you have had the BARGIRL FROM HELL experience, you know what I'm talking about. You can get laid as many times a day as you can handle in LOS, I just prefer a quality experience to quantity.

Spend a little time in each bar, and if the girl mellows out with how many drinks you will buy her, she is probably begining to enjoy her time with you. The experience changes, at least for me it does, but what the hell do I know. Every one is different. Just my .02 so to speak. Have fun.

Jackson,

Being a senior member isn't important to me. I appreciate the forum and contributing when I can. So thanks for the forum.

Cool

08-13-03, 23:34

you get a nice vacation out of it too.

Originally posted by Jaimito Cartero
Skinless - I'm not sure what you mean about why do they do it?

Was it the BBB of the BJ that you question? Or that they would do a friend?

If you want to get psychological about everything, then many would say that *we* are freaks, and so are they. I mean, fly a 18000 mile round trip to screw a girl for $13? It doesn't make real fiscal sense.

I could drive two hours to Mexico and pay double that amount for more or less the same quality.

Ah, but how I love the Thai chicas.

Philo

08-16-03, 17:59

Originally posted by Samus Aran Philo: Agreed! ...........

May his sleazy photos RIP........

Thank you SA for your moral support.

If I may, I would like to ask you a small favour .......

I have (things are changing) hooked up with a nice Rangsit-based Thammasat Computer Science student - teaching her discrete mathematics in exchange for Thai lessons. (I pay her for sex).

As you have earlier stated that your new Pathum Thani lodging is good - could you please give a report and give me contact details for the place?

Thanks in advance
(and if you will not, I accept and respect that.....)

1Ball

08-19-03, 15:30

ahhhhh, SA, you make me smile
read my post again. you will note i mention never having taken a Tg to the beach, nor do i want to.
However for those wanting to discover the TGF experience, spending time with a Tg you like for several days could be more fun than going out on the hunt every night, and finding yourself in a "hit or miss" situation. let's face it, we have all taken a Tg back to our room and found the performance lacking. and the 15th time you have sex with a woman IS going to be better than the first. By then she knows what you like and don't like.

we talked about 3F last december. and though i feel there can be a happy medium, as in, you find a girl who can laugh at your stupid jokes, and with whom you can have a smattering of a conversation, why not see her a couple of times??? the sex will get better, and I have always been a firm believer in quality vs quantity. It'll cost the same, (as long as she isn't around during the day), and you might have more fun.

just don't go home and stare at photos of her, wishing you were still with her.

as for the BG i talked about 2 weeks ago, after half a dozen emails from her, I have not heard from her again, which is fine with me !!!

1 ball

PS SA i OWN the house in Bali, and my "Balinese girlfriend" lives in the house year round. i am there every month for 2 to 3 weeks !!!

Philo

08-19-03, 18:14

SA

Thanks. I will try to find it.

She has agreed to no LT commitments, I'll move here in as a friend in spirit and flesh and a mia noi. And it will save me (or at least reduce usage of) B 1000+ BKK hotels, barfines, B 90-100 beers and ST/LT lady fees ........

And she accepts that I will only stay there for 10-20 days a month. And she do not love me, I am just an acceptable rice feeder..........

Thanks again.

Skinless

08-19-03, 18:46

Philo: SA will appreciate your comments. Your friend seems very accommodating. Maybe your new companion can find a live in friend for him. Ten the four of you can go swimming etc together or at least make the Klong 4neighborhood more like Pattaya.
The photo sections are getting a lot of hits. Hope you all like the BB One posted there. I figured it was time to share her so here is another photo to get the discussio here back on track. It will be interesting how the photo area goes, in terms of bandwidth, comments and photos.

Joe Zop

08-19-03, 20:46

Ah, SA, always the extremist! There are other colors beyond black or white, and as 1ball says, first-time sex isn't always the best version available. (Conversely, of course, at times it is.) "Hello" sex can be great, but so definitely can "goodbye" sex -- some of the hottest sessions I've had are when I'm leaving a place where I've been with a TG for several days. She doesn't want the money train to end, or have to work to get another customer, so she does her best in bed to convince you to stay. Only a fool gets convinced, but I sure like the attempts at persuasion!

Whether the TG actually wants to go to the beach or not is irrelevant -- the real question is whether or not her behavior is going to change in a negative way if you take her, and that's what you've got to properly read before you go. If not, and what you want is a companion for the beach, then why not take her? The issue isn't what she wants, but what you want out of your time there -- she's the one being paid to provide services. Having someone with whom you're comfortable isn't a bad thing -- and it's irrelevant whether she's a Rhodes scholar or a farm girl. I've had to spend time in vacation-like situations with guys for work, some of whom are too uninteresting for words. God knows, a woman who plays nice, can just hang out and screws my brains out is a huge improvement.

I'm one for figuring out TG's heads as much (or more) than anyone, but the bottom line in the equation is that the purpose of it is for improving my own experience. You don't have to have illusions about the customer-provider relationship being boyfriend-girlfriend; a good time with someone who is happy or at least not unhappy is simply more likely than with someone who's miserable.

SA, you've admitted in the past that guys coming for vacation have a different perspective and wants than someone like you, who's living there, and for whom entanglements can be far more difficult. Reality for most guys on this forum is that they're going to hop a plane and leave whatever mess it might become behind. Yes, the 3f method avoids all possibility of such a mess, but it's also like having the same kind of meal night after night. As far as LT versus ST, well, outside of the boinking aspect, there are those of us who simply like sleeping next to and waking up to women. Clearly, that's not the camp you're in, but your equation doesn't always push all the right buttons for me, as much as I'm often a fan of quick no-strings sex. Busting a nut and going is fine, but so is having someone work hard -- or better still, greedily -- to get you to bust the third or fourth time.

1Ball

08-19-03, 23:03

Joe_Zop,
my point exactly, waking up next to a hungry mouth is so much more pleasant than waking to CNN !!! especially if the TG has been around a couple of days, and has been "trained" to your likes and dislikes.
i am completely in favor of the 3Fs. it is just the length of time between the second and the third F that i like to be longer than SA does.
any plans to hit the big Durian in the near future? i will be there again sept 8-9, and 19-23. Beer anyone?

1 ball

Joe Zop

08-20-03, 07:29

1ball, i wish -- but it's looking for me to be at least until late winter/early spring until i can head over, as i'm trying to arrange another longish trip and the specifics are taking their sweet time coming together. sigh. but i'll definitely be up for a few with whomever happens to be around, as i enjoyed yakking with you all. and i promise, sa, that next time i'll not head off to [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s without you, though i assure you last time was completely an impulse thing, as i was definitely enjoying our conversation and had planned simply to stagger back to my hotel while you caught that korat bus...

LarryOne

08-21-03, 03:05

1Ball,

I will be in BKK on September 8 until midnight. If you want we could try to hook up for a beer late afternoon or early evening.

LarrryOne

LoveLOS

08-22-03, 06:02

The LoveLOS is coming to the LOS. Be there 9/13-17... Love to meet up with fellow mongers. dirtbag 667 at hotmail dot com.

LoveLOS

1Ball

09-02-03, 21:43

LarryOne,
my apologies for not getting back to you sooner, i was in england for 10 days on holiday. did not check out the scene, am not impressed with UK women !!!
am still not certain if i will be in BKK at the start or end of my trip. if you give me a way of contacting you, i can let you know as the date gets closer.

I read a while back abt a "new" place around soi 5, which is an alternative to the biergarten, but cannot find any mention of it as I look back. Does anybody have any info as to name, location, etc ???

Thanks

1ball

Malter Man

09-25-03, 09:49

Before getting too deeply involved with thai women make sure you know what you're getting into. Make sure to know that most come from the country and are supporting their families by prostitution. If you decide to step her from whoring you must provide for the support of her family yourself. Besides, once you start to fork out money, they do tend to want more and more. Better prepare a solid plan of financial income before you decide to take the plunge. Finally, my opinion, forget it!!

Skinless

09-26-03, 12:28

Hello: My name is John Skinless and I will be in Los in January. Any suggestions on what and who I should do. I was thinking of going to Korat but there does not seem to be much action there. Buriram might also be on the agenda and I sure as fuck would like to get those Udon hos before Freeler.

I would like to meet an angel like Keiko who I met here in Tokyo today. Sexy short hair, no tits worth talking about and a fucking animal in the sack. It was not so much DATY as getting her pussy rammed down my throat. I was actually afraid she would break my fucking neck. I did not come up for air as much as I came up to save my fucking neck. She lay down, pussy in my tonsils and head on my knees - right back and though she came, she did no jumping about. I find with the hard core hos it takes serious fucking to get them to come. And I like a challenge. Comments anyone! SA. what do you do to make the TGs come? All comments welcome. It was nice to see other foreigners on the prowl: my maps probably helped. Keiko was about 40 btw but sexy.

Is there a chance of me meeting a good Thai woman? Someone nice, with a nice haircut, a pleasant manner, ladylike and a total fucking animal in the bed?

Freeler

09-26-03, 14:12

Skinless,

Udon hookers work in KhonKaen, KhonKaen hookers work in Udon and Korat, sometimes Kalasin or Mahasarakham. Every hooker with two words of English goes to Pattaya or Patong at some stage in her career. Pilok hookers however prefer to stay in Pilok.
Don't worry, as usual I will skip Udon.
'...Korat but there does not seem to be much action there'. Been reading Stickman's site again:D?

Joe Zop

09-26-03, 15:23

SA. what do you do to make the TGs come?

You're just evil, aren't you, Skinless? LOL!

Malter Man

09-26-03, 21:50

"Is there a chance of me meeting a good Thai woman? Someone nice, with a nice haircut, a pleasant manner, ladylike and a total fucking animal in the bed?"

Skinless, in LOS you're simply up for everything. There's so much choice.

Chikan

09-26-03, 22:06

John Skinless,
I used to live in Japan...which maps are you talking about? Sounds like you had a wild one.....perhaps over-compensating for her flat chest?...lol.

Skinless

09-26-03, 23:49

Chikanchan: I put some maps in the Japan photo section of some of the strolls I use and many new farangs were there yesterday on the prowl. But John Skinless got the crown jewels (or jewlettes - tits so small I thought I had a lady boy even before I slipped off her panties with my teeth) I'm meeting her again on Sunday. This is love. And lust.

I must say I am very disapointed with several of the posts attacking our hard working TGs. These women exist for us to fuck the living daylights out of them. For example, I love little Keiko, I genuinely love her and I do nice things to make her happy (like getting her pussy rammed down my throat). To me it is a game. I want a cute middle aged fuck machine so I rent one. John Skinless has fucked all kinds of women from all corners of the earth: from the tiny to the jumbo sized, from the gutter to the super rich brats and their mothers. Yesterday for example I also saw Suzukichan, a wizened old hag I fucked up the ass and who rimmed my ass on several memorable occasions. John Skinless is one of the few, one of the brave who know what it is like to have her tongue pile driivng up my ass, to know what it is like to come all over face and to know what she looks like when the condom breaks inside her pussy. |f you never try, you will never know.

As I walked Keiko, the love of my life, to the subway station (for -SA - we are now in love and are boy/girl friend), we passed old hags for hire even older and uglier than most of you could imagine. But if you never fuck them you will never know. And your baht to pleasure ratio will be higher.

When your cock (if you have one) is inside a TG, are you really admiring her face? Does the animal, the beast in you, not take over?

Gentlemen, enough of this bs attacking cheap and old hos. They are there to be fucked. Fuck them.

On a footnote: I have to say some Jap hos are the world's best - but you have to fuck them really hard and be into anal arousal etc. Not for the squamish or the wimps. They are fucking animal. And I love them for it.

Chikan

09-27-03, 14:49

Skinless : Nicely put! haha...I'll be off to check out that map now. I haven't been in Japan for awhile but at one point I had 3 on the go at once (not pros). Those were the days....Anyways, since you're in Japan, I guess you're the 1st one on the board who knows what my name means? lol! ;) Go get-em!

Skinless

09-27-03, 16:04

Chikan: you got out at the right time as that hobby is being cracked down on. The Saikyo line remains a gropers' delight. However, I have never witnessed such deeds myself and have only felt rarely tempted in that direction. Ever read Finger Press? So the little tom boy is for it again tomorrow. Man, this is love. I am going to first maybe bring her into Don Quixote for lipstick and sex toys, manybe catch a movie later. Really small ass: I could not even work my little finger up it.

I will be in LOS in late January. This will allow Keiko earn some pocket money while I am away:)

Freeler

09-27-03, 16:12

Chikan (or is it Chikan-san?),

I assumed your handle came from 'Chikan-ed out' or something so I never asked about it:D!

MeatMan

09-27-03, 16:33

I nominate John C. Skinless and Freeler as "Mongers of the Year" these guys are true pussy hounds! Skinless/Freeler, you have my vote! :D I learned a lot from your posts guys over the last year keep em coming!

I am not a True Monger unless I come to Thailand :(

Skinless

09-27-03, 16:56

Meat man what about Mr Zop who goes into lots of seedy joints when he is not pontificating here. You never did fix me up with that CM beauty Mr Zop. It could have been love. Never mind. I will be in LOS love again soon

Joe Zop

09-27-03, 17:37

Ah, I demur -- you and Freeler are far more adventurous and well-seasoned than I am, and I bow before your far-flung exploits.

And my CM beauty is allegedly out of the business, just a student again with a regular job and taking care of baby, so I can see if she will feel the need to spend time with me again when I return. For nostalgia's sake, no doubt.

MeatMan

09-28-03, 00:40

Oh my god!, How stupid was I to forget Ol Joe!:(...Sorry Joe Z,Hey, if you guys got a few ticks, check my question in the Hat Yai Board.I sure you guys can give me answers(Espacially Joe)

I have a feeling I'd look out of place there but,I'm going none the less.

Joe Zop

09-28-03, 03:49

I'll read, but I've no advice to offer as I've never made the Hat Yai trip -- the closest I've come is Trang, which is about 100km away.

Freeler

09-28-03, 06:34

MeatMan,

I saw your question on the HY board, but it's been answered so many times o-reddy...
Please go through the archives and you will find all the answers you need.

Skinless

09-28-03, 20:50

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3146514.stm: 400 Japanese chikan guys take over a Chinese hotel and grope and fuck everyone in sight. How things should be.

Bad News: These women f**k for money, not for love.

Japan Photo Lovers: I just fuck these babes. It's kinda part of my day time job. My favorite of those places is in Ginza strictly invite by Japanese clients only. As I get invited and I play the dummy, I just fuck them but it is not my scene. Same as the gaijin friendly places. The karaoke place was ok but the others are fucking boring, just like go go girls.

Keiko: I was with the love of my life today. A real xxx rated show. She had two orgasms as we bathed. Then I fucked the living daylights out of her and made her BEG for more John Skinless. Man, there is something seeing a veteran ho looking up at you and BEGGING for more and then you start teasing them with John Skinless, always asking them if they want more. The LOVE it, like the filthy minded hos that they are at heart. And how we love em for it. The second round was skinless. Kyo dake, today only, she said. Little does she know. When I left her, she gave a great excuse to go back to the beat "gotta pay the yakuza my protection money". I only paid her 7,000 yen instead of 12,000 (10 + tip, a genuine accident which I do not intend to rectify). I gave her my home phone number to phone me next Sunday. Pity is it is the wrong number (a deliberate accident). So that is the end of a great love story after only two very interesting dates. I wish I could be more faithful to them. I am heartbroken (but my sacks are empty

Gentlemen: why can we not treat these ladies with the respect that they deserve? Why are we cheap Charlies? When will we ever get a life?

Chikan

09-30-03, 06:50

Freeler,
Chikan means "pervert" in Japanese.....;) I love that name! Suits me just fine!

Skinless...what can I say, you seem to have a way with the ladies you dog! lol....:)

Baby Huey

10-02-03, 14:47

I'm coming back to the Kingdom for 10 days of fun, Oct 31st thru 10th! Who is going to be around to have some fun for a night? Let's get a group to together for some fun!

We did this last year, Mid-December; there end up being seven of us and it was a great time! We start at the Living Room (R.I.P.) and then to Nana. Starting at the Living Room last year was great because we could talk a little without the B.G. on you and the music was lower.

We need to set a date? I would think the best would be Nov 1st (Saturday Night), Nov 7th (Friday Night) or Nov 8th (Saturday Night). These would best for the people that work in the Kingdom.

So I vote to start at the new place call Privilege No Hands restaurant, located on Sukhumvit Road, between Soi 2 and Soi 4. Privilege is over the new Blue Wave bar. This place is great for groups! You do not have to eat at this place, but you can get food. This place is more like a KTV, without the sing a long. If you have not been there, basically they have rooms that sit small groups of 2 to 4; to rooms that sit 20 plus, each room has it own sound system and private. If you want you can have one to as many girls from there staff in the room to service you or to put on a show. You must have one, but she can service the drinks! This would be a great place to bull shit and drink a little before the night gets started!

Who is up for it? The first case of beer is on me!

Please post here or e-mail me at jimhart69@hotmail.com, if you want to join us and also I am looking for input for what night and the place to start!

I hope to get a great group together again this year for a night of partying!

Mistapenus

10-03-03, 00:11

The reason why the Thai sex-heaven is going down :
(my humble opinion.)

The purpose of this posting is not the degradation of women.

Fucking for cash might be the ultimate low for any ho. They love to say :

"No, of course I don't do that kind of thing." Just as most women would say.

Western women through the media and public education have been given great status and respect. What's more in fact they are often worshipped like godesses.

How much is the price of a ho? And a godess?

They do the same thing.
Except called by different names.

Individuals with mammaries and vaginas attached indeed do receive different treatment than those without. Can you argue?

Imagine, we are in business. Now, we have the merchandise, how much will we sell it for?

500 baht?
Or preferential goddess status, which includes a job, money, respect, smiles, favours and so on?

What do we want?
To sustain our status and in addition let's grow in influence, respect, power.

But look! Those bastard women (Thai, Filipina) are selling the same shit that we do except for one-tenth of the price or less. (And they look better than us too!)

That's no good for business! Fuck'em! We can do this now! Let's destroy their business so that ours may grow!

What's cancer and what's business? I grow my business and from my competitor's view that's cancer that needs to be cut out. From my point of view, his business is cancer that needs to be cut out. 'So, let's cut out the bastards that we may live.'

Who is right? Of course "I", "us".

If women's rights grow, men's rights erode and vice versa. Pick your winner.

A prostitute's life is not all that bad. She gets fun beyond measure. It's not just work in chains.

And a non-pro sex-provider (wife, girl-friend) 's life is not just freedom for ever and always.

I don't want bad for any of them. Just to clear up the issue.

To call them "professional sex-provider" (PSP) and "non-professional sex-provider" (NPSP) is much more appropriate.

After all sex is not just penetration. It's the companionship of another person who we feel sexy to be with. No matter how you call it.

The only significant difference is the price it sells for. And that's down to market-dynamics of demand/supply.

Did I imply that when you think you are getting it "free", actually you are paying more? Yes, I hope so. On the long term, definitely!

When you go for "free" sex, you are destroying the Industry.

Please don't kill the cow that feeds us all!

Think of all other men. Think of yourself when you will be 60 or 70! Who will you fuck then? A 60 year old 200 pound hag from the local singles' club?

Opt for paying cash and don't give them even more power. Please!

Thanks.

Over the centuries Thai men developed a fine system to keep their women under control.

Doing this for the benefit of all concerned: themselves, their families, their kids and for their country.

Who really wants a ho out of control? That would lead to all sorts of nastiness (see Western countries).

Can I just put this in context?

The (Thai) country's official religion is Buddhism. It is much more deeply rooted belief system then our "let'sgotochurchsunday" religion.

It is the state, the law, the people, the country itself. Thailand wouldn't be Thailand without buddhism.

Their number one saint is Buddha. A man who never married, never had girl-friends, yet is revered by all.

Other holy persons are also nearly exclusively men. Celibate monks and kings of old who have also lead respectable lives.

In fact the holy books of Thai Buddhism state that a woman is only an intermediary form of existence and must be reborn as a man to attain nirvana, enlightenment.

Women are considered spiritually more unclean than men.

You could have observed that women are barred from sitting next to a monk (a spiritually clean man) on the bus or even touching him or handing over an object directly to a monk.

Women are not allowed to enter temples when menstruating.

Where do we have these restrictions at home?

Women are also not eligible for free, religious education.

Furthermore, women are discouraged from wearing too revealing outfits in public places.

In fact they could get in trouble with the cops if they disobey this or they would become free targets for some grabbing, or comments.

All over Asia a single, uneducated woman stands on the lowest grade of social hierarchy. They get the lowest wages in any job, they have the least say in anything of importance.

Their only ways to step forward and gain some respect would be to gain education (usually barred) or to bond with a man, to marry and to have kids (of course male!).

If by any chance they lost their virginity then they are hopeless and can't even marry. So they just keep selling what they have (pussy).

THIS IS IMPORTANT!:
This is all a well thought-out system that aims not to oppress women but to promote and support the country as a whole.

Because of all the stigmas there has always been a plentiful supply of cheap pussy in Thailand (and so in Korea, China, etc.).

If they think it's too hard, they can always reborn as men and enjoy the goodies. .. is the philosophy of asian men. After all we have been through it all, haven't we?

It's well known and thoroughly researched that 50% of ALL thai men regularly visit "knocking-shops" of some sort, at least once a month. (Some research say that 80%!) Most of these men are married! and do this with the knowledge of their wives. (In fact so did my grandpa back at home and every man in town.) This is not considered adultery for them.

Now, how does this compare with the "official western religion" of materialism stating that we all have evolved from frogs and monkeys and there is no such thing as spirit because we can't see that and everybody is equal because we are just meat anyway?

Also saying that it is okay for women to walk on the street near-naked, to sell pussy as long it's not for cash, they can vote, get equal pay plus all other privileges that men can't get.

It's a paradise for women!

So much more for an innocent little asian girl who comes over here to live. Have you noticed how much the change in a short time? They become rotten in a number of months.

Is this good for the country as a whole? Isn't western-society decaying away?

Does Thailand want this?

I am certain that they don't. Except they don't have much choice now.

Otherwise they can share the fate of Afganistan and Iraq, two of the last bastions of morality. They would be labelled terrorists or some other shit, everybody would hate them and they would be wiped out as a country.

Wouldn't you believe that Thailand was harboring terrorist elements and it must be occupied in order to save your life, your home, your dog? If it came at you day after day from the radio, television, newspapers? Of course you would. Everyone would.

Now, all these brainwashed, "woman-holified" western-educated men flock here and start spoiling these hos and treating them as equal. Aren't they happy?

In fact they are delighted. They love it. You can see the result. Meeting the average western dick-head every day they get brainwashed too and start to act like western women, which fucks the show up for everyone and ultimately will wipe the industry out.

I wouldn't say that there will be pussy for grabs in Thailand for ever. No. They will westernise, abandon their religion and pussy will be same as in Europe or America. Free!

Free pussy, yeah! Great. Except that when pussy is "free" it costs much more.

Don't give them more power won't you!

Everyone can help by not treating them 'like you are taught at home'. Treat them like Thai men do.

Surely, they have told you: "I no like Thai man. He beat me." Maybe she also shows you some wounds (that could have come from a motorcycle accident).

In fact they adore Thai men and their attitudes. Thai men mean Thailand to them and everything in it that they love. The little mistreatment they receive is just part of the overall experience and not a great problem. They think western men are suckers because they can't even control their own women.

One word of WARNING here: In Thailand the social hierarchy is as follows : Thai men
Thai women
Foreigners.

Which means that you are the lowest in any argument of official kind. So even though thai men beat them, you are not allowed to. They will get you, if not really because they resent it but for the cash. But it doesn't mean that you have to be an angel either.

You have to decide where you want to go. And I am talking not only about Thailand but your own home as well.

What you want to do. Do you want pussy in ten, twenty years time? Where you go when Thailand shuts (plus all Asian countries) for pussy lovers.

Do you like power in women's hands? If not, then don't give them any. Do you like licking arse and shoes for seeing half a nipple?

(Forget about pussy, they don't sell that much for cash nowadays in the West).

Just be systematic in your actions how you treat them over there and back at home as well. You still have some control. Some...

If you think that women in the West don't have tis type of control then think again. After all the "Western Economic Miracle" has been built on the free spending 'liberated' hos. Observe any major shopping mall or centre. What shops are there: hairdresser next cosmetics next jewelery next beauty salon next fashion boutique next hairdresser next jewellery store, next....

Even if themselves don't have the power, it is of great economic interest to keep them liberated (and spending...) for those who have. Even if it comes at a cost...

Joe Zop

10-03-03, 06:28

Let's see, your argument says: all women are basically "ho's" so the best way to deal with them is by only giving them money, and preferably as little of that as possible, as that doesn't give them any power, and it's "us" against "them." Yup, nothing at all remotely degrading to women in that reasoning, fer sure.

I disagree with your basic premise, so not much for me to say here.

Jaimito Cartero

10-03-03, 06:58

Hey, Mistapenus. Gee, I thought my rants got pretty bad sometimes. You've outdone my by so far, I can't even calculate it. I don't think it's a bonus or a right to be able to hit your women. Other than a few who need (or want) a spanking, real violence is not acceptable.

MeatMan

10-03-03, 21:16

Man,Now that's low tolerance for bullshit if I ever read it!.Hitting women is never cool.They bark more than they bite anyway from my past experiences.

GettingTang

10-03-03, 22:31

I think it's safe to say Mistapenus has issues with Women. This is part of life. I think it's safe to say, we as Men, all have issues to some degree or another, with women. After analyzing Mistapenus post, I would venture a guess he was at some point seriously F*cked over by a girl. Maybe an old High School flame dumped him way back. I had an old friend back in my college days dump him because his pecker was too small. She openly admitted it to him and a bunch of his buddies! Well, this poor sap, has had it in for Women ever since. He degrades them every chance he gets! Maybe this is not the route Mistapenus comes down, but be assured he has been yanked in some fashion, at some point by a cold hearted Woman.

I agree to some extent and can relate with some issues involving Women in general. I do agree they use their pussies to every advantage they can, especially in this day and age. I too have been screwed over by a few Women in my day. For other reasons then having a small pecker, of course! :) But non the less, once bitten, twice shy.

Women have always traditionally used their vaginas as a tool for negotiating and mediating with Men, but in today's world they use it to no ends to manipulate and con most anything they want. But, I still love em for it! We as men, have to learn to play along, end result can and should still be the same. Hard core banging!

GETTINGTANG~!

Skinless

10-04-03, 10:47

John Skinless went for a Tokyo tour today as last night there were too many farangs on his cabbage patch (they obviously followed his instructions on the Tokyo photo section). Skinless was just about to approach Kyoko (a fat Jap nympho he enjoyed fucking before who was talking to a lady who fucks only Japs) when an older lady said "Hell handum man where you go". Haruko was 49 and looked a bit older. She asks Skinless to go to her home and fuck her for free. This is with no chat up or anything by Stud Skinless. Skinless and H take a 40 minute train ride to her place, cheap in a good neighborhood. She gets plenty of time to practise her English. When we hit her hacienda, she immediately strips, produces condoms, gives me a great bbbj and asks me to fuck her. Up the ass. Skinless obliges. Skinless rests. Skinless finger fucks her up the ass. We hug. Anytime I try to kiss her or play with her pussy or tits she laughs. Skinless asks and she confirms "Yes I only like it up the ass". Skinless also asks how often she sells herself. Not often but she admits she does it partly for the money and just as much coz she likes it up the ass. After Skinless does round two, he gets shown the door and she walks me to the railway station. He asks for another date (= another chance for some free ass). She says if we meet on her beat. She thanks me "for a beautiful time" turns around and wheels her bicycle back towards her home. She seemed pretty ordinary, her place was poor but clean. Gents, many of these women simply like getting fucked. And many hos like it hot and heavy. Money is not everything!!

1Ball

10-07-03, 01:16

IMPORTANT INFORMATION

There seems to be an awful lot of punters on a budget, trying to save here and there. I have discovered something which might help. Even though I haven’t seen it addressed here, if it has, I think it bears repeating. I am also posting this on several of the LOS boards, as some people might only read 1 or 2, and it is of interest to all, so for those who have read this, or don’t like the same thing posted on several boards, TOO BAD !!!

There is a generic VIAGRA out there. It is called SILAGRA-100. It is made in India, a country which is fast becoming a very large manufacturer of drugs, at a fraction of the cost elsewhere. Each tablet contains 100mg of Sildenafil. There are 4 tablets in a box, and the box sells for 600Baht. Each tablet is as potent as a 100mg Viagra, I cut them into 4 pieces, and the results were just as great as “the little blue pill”. Viagra in LOS, in the 100mg tablet is 2,000 for a box of 4. quite a savings.

I bought them on the corner of Suk soi 11, but went into a couple of other drugstores just to ask, and they all had them.

Drugstores are also pushing the new “weekender”, named for the reason it lasts all weekend, made by Eli Lilly, but it is 2900 Baht for 2 hits, so not worth it in my opinion.

1ball

Joe Zop

10-07-03, 03:01

Reverend Samus, good to hear that you're taking that missionary zeal to the streets and trying to save poor lost lambs. I wish you great success in trying to stem the tide, though I won't bet on your chances, for, as Einstein said, "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Hope you're at least getting the poor saps to buy you drinks as you dispense your wisdom.

And 1ball, while I didn't have any issues with you posting the gathering invite in multiple places, really now, repetitive posts on Silagra? Gonna do another on Penagra later? Or one everywhere to let everyone know about this sweet little spot they should check out called Nana Plaza? C'mon now, really, this is hardly breaking news or something so vitally important that it merits multiple postings; there was discussion on this in the Bangkok section only a week or so ago. Jackson has specifically defined repetitive postings as spam -- check the posting guidelines -- and I'd sure hate to see you run afoul of him over this.

Spike

10-12-03, 03:35

Yo, SA. Liked the sermon, and there are some saps out there. 48 hours isn't enough time to decide if you like a dog, let alone a woman. You view may be a little cynical, though.

Some of those "brown skinned sex machines" would/do make good wives. I speak from experience. When I was young and foolish, I married a girl I met in a bar in PI. I couldn't have found a better wife/lover/partner. Feminine, willing to let me be the leader, sexy, quiet, hard worker. Everything I haven't been able to find with anyone else since then. We broke up because she was jealous of my attempts to better myself... MY hangup, not hers. I could have done better by her, but I was young and stupid (early 20's). I wasn't ready to settle down; I was overwhelmed by the romance and intrigue of the Far East. Oh well, it all changed when I got back to the States. Once again, my problem, not hers. We'd still be together (and I might have been happier) if I'd stayed in PI after my Navy days were over.

Truth is, probably most of the gals out there have given up on finding a guy to "take them away", but I firmly believe that is foremost in their minds in the beginning. I know from experience; a good lot of Asian women REALLY like white men, just like a good lot of white men get all hot over Asian women. They see us as big, strong, successful overachievers who generally know how to treat women well, and we see them as submissive, exotic sex machines possessed of the kind of old fashioned (read that pre-radical feminist) values/virtues no longer available (or in style) in the good ole' U.S. of A.

Look, it's definitely sex for money, but my first wife was all things a good wife should be, I was just too dumb to know it. She was loyal to the end, would have stepped in front of a train fo me... There are some out there like that, don't kid yourself. Asian women just have different values around sex and male/female roles.

Mistapenus,

I don't understand most of your diatribe, but I get enough to know that you have some serious problems around women. My Daddy taught me that only a low-life, sub-human piece of sh*t would strike a woman, regardless of her station in life. Check into some therapy, pal, it sounds like you may need it. We owe these women a debt of gratitude. They are obviously providing something we are willing to pay for, elsewise we wouldn't be travelling half way around the world to get it.

Spike, out....

Skinless

10-12-03, 03:59

SA: I laughed out loud when I read about you giving advice to some Nana sucker when he was down. I am still laughing at it. Picture the scene:
Sucker: I love her. She is special.
SA: She is a fuck machine on a par with a tissue. FFF. et etc.

I should be back in Korat in late January working through some of my fetishes. I am still fucking Keiko here: she shaved my balls last nite so she could give me a better bj. She also wore thigh length kinky books as I fucked her. (I got her to take em off as boring).I also have her doing some non hooker work for me as we are madly in love. Keiko tells me she will give up the beat and the pachinko where she spends her $$. That is great and I am so happy. But I don't believe her. She is a hooker and has been programmed accordingly. That is her fate.

Spike: These programmed machines are also women and they do like to show that side as well. Their normal thing is to lie back and get pounded by a guy who wants to empty his bags. There are diamonds out there but getting pounded in a Thai brothel will soon knock the appeal off even the best of them. Sad but true. We pay them to satiate our demons and they use our $$ to satiate their own.

Three I

10-14-03, 23:51

Skinless: You are a good man! You are right I learned first hand what you said in Riverside, California. Talk to these guys that have been beaten down by women.

Siddv

10-19-03, 08:45

Ok. I'm new to this forum having discovered it doing my research for my first BBK trip. Since I have been back I've logged on and enjoyed the great advice that is posted often. Its late so I thought I'd add my 2 cents.

Let me start out by saying that I went to LOS for lots of fun and I had it. I certainly had no intention of becomeing one of these poor saps who fall in love-far from it. I just got out of a LTR and was ready for action. But I really did underestimate the intoxicating qualities that these women can have over you. I agree with the comments of SA totally. But that didn't make it easy particularly when you are being suduced by a very attractive pro. I guess what I really did not expect was the real seemingly personal relationship / feeling that one has about these women. I expected business sex and what I got was not that at all but rather this illusion of real caring. I suppose that is both what is enjoyable about BBK as opposed to places like Amsterdam and at the same time very dangerous to some.

In a nut shell (and I subject myself to ridiclule in the interest of education) I was with various gils from the Nana clubs but finally settled on one in particular. After a few nights I left for a few weeks for a trip to Vietnam. I returned to BBK and started where I left off with this girl I realy liked. She was a looker and we spent the day hanging out and we did the restaurant/shopping gig! At night she took me to the Hollywood disco, some palce in BBK which seemed to be frequented by locals.

The next night we went to a few Nana bars and picked up a friend and then headed over to the Nan disco. She gets this this attitude and seemed pissed at me the whole night. Nevertheless I take both of them home. The next day we do the same thing. On cue she gets pissed again at about 12am. I've had it. Everyone is having a great time and she is pissed at me. I don't need this. I demand my 2 bar fines from them and they finally they give it to me. Her friend is pissed at her for wasting her time. I go back to her bar and everyone asks where she is. I say she's some head case. I pick up another girl from the bar (who I had had my eye on for sometime) after talking to the mamsan. She follows me into the bar saying she is sorry. I tell her to forget it. I leave with the new girl. But her stuff (including the goddies I bought for her are back at the hotel). While I'm with my new freind the door bell to my room rings. (I'm at the Landmark whcih supposedly has great security and its 2:30am). I open the door and hand her a bag with her belongings (minus the shopping goddies-I awas really pissed by now) and tell her to go away. She does.

I left BBK the next afternoon but I was a bit upset with the whole mess that had been created. I found myself liking her even after all of that. I should not have cared but just couldn't understand why she went crazy. During the time with her I got the asking to send money story and everything else I have ben reading on these posts. They have helped me try to understand this somewhat. I guess the moral is not to try to understand it just go have fun. But like I said, I just didn't expect to like them so much. Anyway I feel better now thanks. The sap that got away.

Bill

10-19-03, 14:26

I just want to add my .02 cents worth about talking to a thai girl when making conversation. I do not recommend asking about their family, i.e. mother and father, brothers and sisters, etc. I recently was chatting up this real cute/fresh 18 year old freelancer and made the mistake of asking how and where her father and mother were. Ends up her telling me that father died of a motorcycle accident and her mother is a double leg amputee. Talk about a hard-on killer. Now I know what is the driving force of her going with unattractive, strange men over twice her age. Being hard core, I didn't let it bother me too much, and took her anyway, but there are some things you don't know and don't want to know.

OzGuy

10-24-03, 12:03

Bil,

Good to see you didn't let the sad story get in the way of your priorities !

Samus,

As always a voice of reason amongst all the confusion .... why there is confusion over bg's or their motives confuses me .... I feel sorry for some guys, working hard all year, just saving enough money for their short trip to paradise, grabbing the first smiling face attached to a cute body ..... then they get the standard Thai bg experience, something they have been starved of for so long, and they fall in love ..... as much merit as there is to the 3f's, try telling that to the affection starved tourist who has found his rose amongst the red light fertaliser .... How lucky is he !!

Mistapenis,

How did you get access to the net from the institution ??
remeber it's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are an idiot, then to open your mouth and prove it.

OzGuy.

Joe Zop

10-24-03, 16:48

Ah, Siddv, you broke one of the cardinal rules by taking along another girl after establishing that you were really interested in her. One of the things we probably don't talk about nearly enough here (because of the heavy repetition of the 3F dictum) is how extremely possessive these girls can get. You're lucky that you were with a TG who only got pissy as opposed to violent.

You're absolutely right that the illusion of caring is a good part of what makes the whole scene so alluring, so if you're susceptible to mistaking illusion for reality the 3F method may well be the only way to go, since the "girlfriend experience" can obviously also include "negative girlfriend behavior."

Two things right off: first, not giving the shopping stuff was rather petty (and I know you were pissed, but still) as those were part of the time she'd already spent with you, so she really deserved those. Second, why in the world go back into the same bar? There are a thousand bars and untold thousands of TGs to choose from, so why wander back in on your last night and make it obvious before all her co-workers that things were a mess? Just to make her lose more face?

All this basically says that you made a level of emotional investment in this woman, but that you got pissed when she exhibited jealousy, and part of why you're still harboring good feelings might be because you're secretly complimented by her possessiveness.

Why would she act this way? Let's see:

1. She figured that having another woman along meant no more shopping and extras, or at least having to split the proceeds.

2. Not having you to herself, after you pointedly came back again for her and she invested considerable time with you outside of the time of the bar fine, meant her investment in "snaring" you didn't work. She was naturally working on getting you to be exclusive, to send money later, and having another woman involved in the equation messes that up.

3. Expecting sensible behavior from most women under twenty-whatever is a low percentage business.

4. Since everyone at the bar knew that you not only came back for her but spent the entire day and then another with her, her "face" at the bar got a boost, as she had a repeat fish on the line. When you essentially moved on from being exclusively with her, she lost that face. Her behavior was an attempt to get you to choose between her and the other girl, figuring she would win, and she undoubtedly didn't expect you to choose option C, neither. Whoops, miscalculation.

5. Thai women in general are no more likely than any other women to be thrilled with the concept of sharing a guy with another woman. I know all guys think the threesome is the perfect scenario, but all women do not.

Note that I am specifically not saying, "She liked you, and wanted you to herself." Thinking that way gets you in trouble.

Hey, you got away, and with no harm. Sounds like a successful outing -- enjoy your memories and next time you'll better know how intoxicating the experience can be and be better prepared. Nothing wrong at all with liking a TG, just don't leave the keys to your emotional vault lying around or you're going to end up getting robbed.

Seydlitz

10-24-03, 21:05

Siddv,

Joe said it all, as often. Your story is entertaining, but it could have been much worse. I actually believe that your TG acted in a rather cool-headed way.

I always find incredible that sensible Farangs act with TGs in ways that seem to indicate that they believe the girls are somehow totally different than any other woman on earth.

Also, in Thailand, it never pays to show anger. This is not to say that one has to accept any kind of abuse, verbal, physical or financial, but in your case, it would have been way better to bow out gracefully.

Part of the GFE can also be to cajole the TG and see how much you can get away with before breaking-up point. You can fool around, then express regret, even apologise etc. Great fun indeed, but you need some hard (or long) to learn skills.

Jing Jung

10-25-03, 04:29

Read Samus' post and would add a few lines except that it's SO boring (not S' post, but to add more stories of the same).

However, slightly more interesting is a story told to me recently by a girl at Darling. I believe that the story is true based upon my own separate knowledg of the girl. Also it was all discussed in thai which improves accuracy if not veracity.

One of the girls at Darling who is cute as a button, intelligent, great body, a student, and quite sweet left their employ a while long ago (number left to your own educated guesses). I asked this girl, whom I've know for a quite while, what happened. What she told me might pry open some still innocent eyes here.

It turns out that the girl who left has a "real boy friend" (20's farang English teacher) who lives quite a distance from Bangkok, but in Thailand. They used to live together, but she wanted to go to College so he sent her up to Bangkok to go to school. Well before long, she ends up working at Darling while she is studying (sort of). She continues with her long distance boyfriend (described by my none-too-innocent storyteller as a very sincere, really good guy such as is hard to find) and she visits him regularly.

After a (rather long) while, the guy begins to get a little suspicious about her rapidly evolving life-style (clothes, cell phone etc.). He inquires where she's getting the money to fly to his town and eventually sees her bank book which by this time is quite sizable. Unlike Mom and Dad up-country, however, he does not pretend that she can make that kind of money as a waitress.

Some more time passes and more clues pass before his besotted eyes. Finally he is getting too close to the truth and she decides to quit working at Darling "so she won't lose him".

I tell my storyteller partner, "Well I am impressed at least that she cared about her boyfriend enough to give it up!"

My Darling partner was less generous and added what I had thought but not said: She replied in Thai, "Give me a break, how much do you really think she cares about him if she started in the first place?" Of course, I agreed with her.

Then she delivered the coup de grace -- "Oh and by the way, the other thing about all of this is that one of her former customers from Darling is now taking care of her on the outside" (i.e., in exchange for private services, he delivers meals, tuition, and some entertainment so she doesn't get too bored being a "good girl" without money in the pocket).

To me the story is instructive because this really is a well-put-together (in all senses) "intelligent" girl who is involved with a presumably intelligent farang boyfriend. However, their capacity for fooling themselves knows no bounds.

The only thing missing from the story of course is to know what the guy is doing on the side where he lives.

Jing Jung